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2006 Thai Women - Opinions & Advice

Havrum
12-31-05, 06:12
So yes, I am going to follow through with this, and I, and you all if I report back, will see what happens.

Let this thread serve as a warning to various punters in the Land of Smiles. When you call your Thai girlfriend from Europe whom you regularly send a lot of money, she may be pulling some young stud's big dick out of her pussy when she answers.

Latina Passion
12-31-05, 07:57
Not just in the land of smiles but also in the land of Mongers as well! Any John fall in love with his Ho is an idiot, any Ho fall in love with John same story. For the most part after age ten we aint changing, it is what it is plain and simple cut and dry IMHO!

I'm headed home to the states, Lada with the pink Moped, is telling her boyfriend how much she loves him after I just knocked on her back door!


So yes, I am going to follow through with this, and I, and you all if I report back, will see what happens.

Let this thread serve as a warning to various punters in the Land of Smiles. When you call your Thai girlfriend from Europe whom you regularly send a lot of money, she may be pulling some young stud's big dick out of her pussy when she answers.

The Traveler
12-31-05, 19:18
LBM;

good to hear that you finally are a free man. Keep it that way and stay away from trouble.

Good luck and a very happy new year

The Traveler
12-31-05, 19:19
So yes, I am going to follow through with this, and I, and you all if I report back, will see what happens.

Let this thread serve as a warning to various punters in the Land of Smiles. When you call your Thai girlfriend from Europe whom you regularly send a lot of money, she may be pulling some young stud's big dick out of her pussy when she answers.
Havrum,

nope, I usually keep fucking them, no need to pull it out :)

(BTW, it's always a good idea to tell them to turn the mobile off to avoid such interruptions)

The Traveler
12-31-05, 19:24
Any John fall in love with his Ho is an idiot, any Ho fall in love with John same story. For the most part after age ten we aint changing, it is what it is plain and simple cut and dry IMHO!

Latina Passion,

sorry to hear that you haven't changed since the age of ten.
Usually people still gain some good manners, education and experiences after that age.

But in your case I assume that your comment proves that you really didn't gain anything after turning 10yrs old. Your post sounds like stupid macho talk to me. Sorry, no insult intended, just my 2 cents.

Anyway, a happy new year to you too.

Buzz00
12-31-05, 20:17
Havrum,

my 2cents - one of the girls that I met in Pattaya was also into this talking on the phone in the toilet. Worse still, she bursts out crying one afternoon after some imagined woe, but there are no tears coming out of her eyes.

This goes on for a few minutes and I am thinking what is she trying to pull on me.I say to her you are crying but there are no tears, whats going on here ? She calmly answers me that she is crying inside - yeah right. She know's I know she is bull shitting me and yet she carries on.

I asked her to leave but that was not the last of her.

What I want to say to you is that as fantastic as the whole scene might look to you, its not. I learned very quickly that they are not to be trusted. I was lucky as my costs were minimal.

A very good friend of mine who swears his Thai girl (ex-bargirl) loves him has to be looked at with raised eyebrows and he thinks nothing of it when he can't get her on the phone. He went as far as to build her a house and sends hundreds of dollars to her every month. This has been going on for more than 4 years so do the math. He says that she would never sleep with anyone else. I have had some very long talks with him to no avail, but he is happy.

I am waiting for the crash when ever it happens.

The guys here that are giving you advice, have, to say the least, been around the block a few times when its comes to Thai girls and I can only say that having read this forum before my 1st trip to LOS certainly saved me tons of money and definitely kept me out of trouble.

There are tons of women in Thailand and you should have no problem finding
something else of good quality.

In the end though,we still pay for women which ever way you look at it, whether its p4p or not.

In the mean time if you have not sorted out your VISA then it would very wise to go and take care of this ASAP. You do not want to get on the wrong side of the Thai authorities.

Enjoy, its a great country.

Cheers.

Joe Zop
01-01-06, 00:56
Havrum, perhaps you will be one of the lucky few and it will work out. Still, there are contradictions in your story that seem fairly worrisome -- you say she is very shy about talking about sex and conservative by nature, yet she has no difficulty having you on and mock-threatening to go find some other guy, and even after more than a month with you where she is supposedly not working she dresses like a full-on sex worker as opposed to a normal Thai woman. She gets into sex but not into other forms of intimacy, and even when into the sex she's not so into it she will turn off or ignore the phone.

At any rate, Chiang Mai is a very nice city and decidedly different from Pattaya or Bangkok and it's possible to live well there fairly cheaply. I rented an apartment as good or better than any I've rented in the states for 7000baht per month and most Thais I met felt that was pretty extravagant. You can find a small place in the old city for half that if you look a bit.

Question: if your girl is college-educated what's she going to go to school for?

Havrum
01-01-06, 06:45
Exactly Joe Zop, she is full of contradictions. When I first met her on the street and a few days thereafter, she wasn't wearing ho clothes, just normal jeans and whatnot. Then after she was with me she went into full ho regalia. I didn't make any comments, but one day when we were in a market and I pointed to some nice jeans, she said she I wouldn't find her sexy if she wore those. So maybe she was dressing like that for my sake, who knows, but that was a sore point with me.

Also I think Thai ladies often say the opposite of what they feel, for one because they are not open about sharing their true emotions so easily, and two I think they like to make their boyfriends jealous and play games with their head. Western girls do the same thing to make a man desire them, and it might work a little, atleast in the short term. I had a conversation with some older thai lady last night about my girlfriend and she remarked too that Thai people often don't mean what they say. For example if they say you are handsom, it probably means that you aren't handsom, if they say they love you they don't and so on. Likewise if they say they want you to go away, they really want you to stay, or if they want to be with some other man they only want to be with you. Remember Thai people are all about saving face, so they wouldn't say harsh things like that naturally as Westerners might. If they are saying things like that there is probably some other reason behind it.

This is the case with my girl except in an extreme sense. She says something like that atleast one time every day. For example on the phone I say I've been thinking about her so much and she says me too but I don't think about you so much. Then another phone call she says I am not a handsom man because I'm not big and muscular as she likes, I'm more of a tall, slim athletic build (Pattaya has a large number of body builders whom she always cast a look at). What am I to make of these proclamations I don't know.

I don't know why she is not more intimate. I was picked up on Khao San Road last night in Bangkok by two party girls and they took me back to their place for just a few drinks. I said WTF its new years but I didn't plan on sleeping with either of them. The one girl was all over me, cuddly, little kisses and eventually we were in full make out sessions on the couch. I shouldn't have been doing this but I've been with some girl for 6 weeks and never get that type of affection that I was getting from some random girl now. What does that say about the girl I had been with, I don't know. Indeed not once had we ever made out like that, except during sex, despite my many attempts to do so. She always pulls away or half kisses.

This girl that I met last night wanted me to take her back to my place but I apologized to her that I was a little drunk and shouldn't have been there because I have a girlfriend. She was mad and didn't say a word as I left.

Would my girl have left some man like that in that situation, with some hot girl all over me half inebriated on New Years? Probably not and that is the tragedy of the whole thing. I can be with the girl for as long as I'd like yet I'd never have full 100% trust in her that she would be 100% faithful to me as I would be to her.

The alternative is to not take the situation too seriously detach myself from the whole thing. Keep her around as my little sex kitten, maybe cook some meals and go out and have some fun at times. But not worry what she does and butterfly on my own, whether P4P or random girls I'd meet. The problem is that she would never put up with a butterfly, even if she was doing the same to some extent, and I would have to be decietful to pull it off which is not in my character.

John05
01-01-06, 07:11
There is Harvard and then there is some small community college who anyone can go to. That is Ramkumhang Uni. It is real low class compared to some of the others. Also many Thai university entrances are based on test scores and not money. The Hi So girls usually attend univeristy in the USA, England and Australia.

IMHO, I still prefer the bar girls because you can find a real cute one and sleep with her immediately. The pretty non pros...well you are competing with every Thai boy who looks good and has a BMW. Your chances are very low of ever having one of them. Good luck. That is why most of us fall in love with the bar girls and not the hot Hi So girls. Mabye if you live there and teach at the University. They will still cost you lots of money to take them out for perhaps months before you ever score. Maybe you are the lucky one....most of us are not though. Good luck. PM me if she has a hot sister looking for a farung BF who can speak some Thai.

PosterLion
01-01-06, 09:35
detach myself

Now you've got it my friend! Detachment detachment detachment! It's the only way and it's chock full of integrity and compassion to boot. Here's a little capsule on detchment to further your degree. :)


A Christian missionary in Sri Lanka once said to me with great sincerity, "The Buddha image speaks to me of coldness, of non-involvement, of a turning away from life. I prefer the image of Jesus Christ with his robes dirty with the sweat of the poor."

One stereotype of Buddhism is that it supports a withdrawal from the suffering of the world, a renunciation of active involvement with society. An inter-religious conference I attended a few years ago stays in my mind because one of the western participants insisted that outward-moving compassion was not an important part of Buddhism. My encounter with Buddhism forces me to challenge this stereotype. I did so at that conference and I continue to do so.

It is outsiders -- European observers and those seeking an escape from the world -- who have projected onto Buddhism the encouragement of indifference to the agony within human life. It does not rise from within. Buddhism certainly speaks of destruction, renunciation, and detachment, but it is detachment from all those things which prevent compassion from flowing -- from possessiveness, competitiveness, and selfishness. Viraga, one of the Pali words translated as detachment, actually means "without raga" -- without lust, without possessive craving -- not without concern for our world.

Duniawala
01-01-06, 18:43
Originally Posted by stolen from the internet
A Christian missionary in Sri Lanka once said to me with great sincerity, "The Buddha image speaks to me of coldness, of non-involvement, of a turning away from life. I prefer the image of Jesus Christ with his robes dirty with the sweat of the poor."

One stereotype of Buddhism is that it supports a withdrawal from the suffering of the world, a renunciation of active involvement with society. An inter-religious conference I attended a few years ago stays in my mind because one of the western participants insisted that outward-moving compassion was not an important part of Buddhism. My encounter with Buddhism forces me to challenge this stereotype. I did so at that conference and I continue to do so.

It is outsiders -- European observers and those seeking an escape from the world -- who have projected onto Buddhism the encouragement of indifference to the agony within human life. It does not rise from within. Buddhism certainly speaks of destruction, renunciation, and detachment, but it is detachment from all those things which prevent compassion from flowing -- from possessiveness, competitiveness, and selfishness. Viraga, one of the Pali words translated as detachment, actually means "without raga" -- without lust, without possessive craving -- not without concern for our world.

Poster, where did you find this crock of s**t. The writer has no idea of Bhudhism. BTW, had a good time in BKK, thanks.

Havrum, you are one love sick puppy. Leave this girl who treats you so well, and find a new one who shows affections and does not dress like ***** so that you can find her sexy. Wish you well.

Latina Passion
01-02-06, 04:22
Insult? The Traveler by you, absolutely none taken trust me!

QUOTE=The Traveler]Latina Passion,

sorry to hear that you haven't changed since the age of ten.
Usually people still gain some good manners, education and experiences after that age.

But in your case I assume that your comment proves that you really didn't gain anything after turning 10yrs old. Your post sounds like stupid macho talk to me. Sorry, no insult intended, just my 2 cents.

Anyway, a happy new year to you too.[/QUOTE]

Ozirob
01-02-06, 05:08
I've got myself into an interesting situation - one thats as much fun as it is probably dangerous. I had a wonderful takeout Thai girl from OT Singapore a little more than a year ago. Kept her name and number, and stayed in touch along the way. Let her know when i was going to be back in Singapore, she would line up to be there too (at her own cost). Did this a few times. Always wonderful times very GFE. Have never talked about money, and have always given her around S$200 per night which generally means 24 hrs. This both in Singapore and Bangkok.

One of these trips she sent me a message that she was already in Singapore and had got a customer for a long time (i mean days). Would i understand? Yes of course i understand but not happy! First day i'm in Singapore i get an sms that she wants to see me and we get together for a very hot (and as it turned out, free because she gave the tip back) couple of hours at my hotel.

More recently i visited Bangkok with the express purpose of seeing her. She stayed with me for the entire four days and we saw various things around Bangkok, did the GFE thing and had unbelievable GFE sex. She'd get so wet i'd wonder if she had some trick of putting lub up there before we started and letting it go as we got into it. I mean i'm no oil painting, just your average bloke not too fat not thin etc. And she is quite beautiful (through my eyes)

So now things have progressed to daily sms's from her, many of which i reply to. I have to admit i look forward to seeing her each time, have a ball, and she knows full well i'm married kids etc etc. So in a nutshell: I have no intention of moving beyond paying for good times. She knows this. But boy, she is so very seductive and i can see how blokes would be seduced. :-)

And i find myself working very hard to keep my feet on the ground!


Ozirob

ThaiVisitor
01-02-06, 09:53
Exactly Joe Zop, she is full of contradictions. When I first met her on the street and a few days thereafter, she wasn't wearing ho clothes, just normal jeans and whatnot. Then after she was with me she went into full ho regalia. I didn't make any comments, but one day when we were in a market and I pointed to some nice jeans, she said she I wouldn't find her sexy if she wore those. So maybe she was dressing like that for my sake, who knows, but that was a sore point with me.

Havrum,

In my humble opinion, you should have been a writer, or maybe you are actually preparing one, so posting here to get feedbacks and criticism so that you can fine tune your story as seriously, when I read back all your posts regarding your girl and you, it just doesn't adds up.

You talk about a girl who has just return to work (probably because she has no money) whom you've met and falls head over heels in love with you, giving up her monthly allowances from her regular sponsors, giving up her job and having no money to even replace her lost phones.

You talk about you that do not need to give her any money, and yet she has money to be able to buy her clothings etc, etc, go back to visit her parents, and whatever.

You talked about how firm you are with her, but she clings over you, not wanting to lose you, etc, etc. which sounds more like a boast if you don't mind me saying.

And also many other things too.

And yet you are asking for advices on this forum????

I really do not know what you expect here. To see fellow mongers say how good you are or how smart or great you are? Or what? Maybe you can enlighten us or me if the others doesn't want to know.

But if you really insist and say your accounts are genuine, then I would like to give you this advice. Leave the girl and let her find a more appreciative guy, she definitely deserves better which, in my humble opinion, you fall very short.

My 2 baht worth
Tee Vee

Lemon Tree
01-02-06, 18:35
It is interesting for me to read Havrumís opinion about Thai girls who work in this special kind of business. For me as a European it is often also hard to understand, whatís going on. But on one side I read with great enthusiasm this forum Ė and Ė on the other side I try to remember all this things, when I am myself at the sharp end of the scene. But these girls afford always surprises and you sit there with your open mouth and marvel at the things you hear.

A little example.

When I stayed last November/December for about 3 weeks in Pattaya, my girl and I went over next door to ask my buddy and his steady Thai girl, what program we wanted to do that night. He opened the door after knocking, wearing only a towel around the hip and went back to the bed, where his lady was laying, covered with a towel too.

In that moment her cell phone rang, she looked at the number and gave us 3 a sign to stop talking.

Then she spoke with her boyfriend, who called her from UK. And she spoke with such a suffering voice, so moanful and pathetic, that the guy on the other side of the line must have a sleepless night, thinking of his beloved little Thai lady, who seems to be in a deep depression because of missing him.

What he could not see was that she holds her cell phone in one hand, and with the other hand she was playing with my buddies nuts and massaged his dick in a perfect way. I only stand there with open eyes and open mouth and thought about the theme of Ripleyís museum in the Royal Garden: Believe it or not.

After finishing the call she looked at us as normal as ever and smiled. Nothing had to be explained, we went back to the daily routine and had together an excellent evening in the new Vientienne Restaurant at the end of the Walking Street and after that went to Blues factory to heart Lam Morrison and his great Rockín Roll.

Enjoy your life and believe what you see and what you hear and what the guys write in this forum. It is true.

Lemon Tree

Latina Passion
01-02-06, 20:58
Dude, you are in some serious need of Lykus 101 training or Howard Stern!

Havrum
01-03-06, 07:36
Some very true words spoken. Much of what I wrote are the inner thoughts of a well meaning, but insecure, jealous man; which contrary to some viewpoints, many sexual conquests nor the possession of good looks do anything to alleviate. Notice how its always the pretty, skinny girl that is so concerned about her weight and image, and worried whether men like her even though all are courting her. Men are not much difference in this regard.

I'm learning from the error of my ways however, and I view this relationship as a way to change course, to committ and ride this roller coaster of a girl to wherever it takes me for as long as it takes me. I'm going to treat her with all of the love and care I have for her, which dwells deep, and banish all of the insecurities and possessiveness that have only served to suppress my true feelings for her. We are never perfect in our present state but we can always progress towards a better self.

ThaiVisitor
01-03-06, 10:10
Some very true words spoken. Much of what I wrote are the inner thoughts of a well meaning, but insecure, jealous man; which contrary to some viewpoints, many sexual conquests nor the possession of good looks do anything to alleviate. Notice how its always the pretty, skinny girl that is so concerned about her weight and image, and worried whether men like her even though all are courting her. Men are not much difference in this regard.

I'm learning from the error of my ways however, and I view this relationship as a way to change course, to committ and ride this roller coaster of a girl to wherever it takes me for as long as it takes me. I'm going to treat her with all of the love and care I have for her, which dwells deep, and banish all of the insecurities and possessiveness that have only served to suppress my true feelings for her. We are never perfect in our present state but we can always progress towards a better self.
As what you have put, "to commit and ride this roller coaster to wherever it takes you for as long as it takes you".

This is what all relationships are about. No one for sure will know the future, if their relationship or marriages will go as planned "til death do they part".

If it does, good. If it doesn't... cherish whatever good times you had even if it is only for a limited period and life goes on.

Roller coaster is a good word, as there is no smooth saling for any ship whatsoever. Its always ups and downs but that's what life is made of and its the pride you will have at the end of the day when you go thru it together.

Lastly, I wish you all the best in your new found love.

Cheers
Tee Vee

JuiceSpike
01-03-06, 14:38
Havrum,

You are a true romantic. Some would say you are a romantic fool. I really think you are on the right track for disappointment but that's just the way it goes when you fall in love especially with a hooker.

Consider this:

1. If your lovely girl was a hooker you will get more than a roller coaster ride. Most if not all women in the biz have some emotional damage that is totally different from a "regular" girl. They have issues with the following that have been enhanced by selling their pussies:

a. Self image
b. Self confidence
c. Intimacy
d. Sex as a intimate thing not a job thing
e. etc

Unless you are willing to commit 120% to her and be willing to do what it takes to deal with her "issues" you are either naive or just looking for disappointment. Or both.

Unless you are willing to support her financially and emotionally 120% you are heading straight for disappointment. Having a serious relationshp with a hooker is not like the movie "Pretty Woman."

There are many fools that have attempted to "rescue" the bar girl only to create more damage than good when they finally realize that it is a lot more complicated relationship with a hooker or ex hooker and leave her. If anybody in here tells you to follow your heart and not give you a warning of what you are getting into they are misleading you.

At least be honest with yourself and do not pretend that it is all about love. It is not for her. If you are just testing her to see if she really loves you then in my opinion you are a romantic fool. Sorry dude but you sound as naive as they come. Jing.

But good luck. :)

juices

Forever69
01-03-06, 15:05
I find it kind of ironic and bigot that on this board a hooker should be classified as non gf material because of low selfesteem and missing intimacy. Hello!

Whats good for the ganter is not good for the goose out of a sudden? I know tons of bargirls without b-fining them. Many of them are much more conservative then you would think. Putting them down for sexual and emotional reasons is bs. Where you have to watch your back if you get involved with them is that you stop paying them for sex. They have to get a job and learn to live at the 10000 baht/month level like other thais. If they claim to get out of the scene make sure you are not becoming their exclusive customer. And no sick buffaloes either.

PosterLion
01-03-06, 15:16
Poster, where did you find this crock of s**t. The writer has no idea of Bhudhism. BTW, had a good time in BKK, thanks.

I Googled (sic) for detachment AND Buddhism. I don't recall the site addy. I take you on your word that the info is a crock as I don't know squat about Buddhism either (except that it is a proper noun).

Besides, I don't need to know because I'm creating my own religion as I progress through life. It's more fun to create your own religion because 1) there's zero misinterpretation, 2) it is a fluid approach for understanding the higher being, 3) I don't need to read ancient scriptures because there aren't any, 4) I am free from the burden of transcribing the essential elements of "my way".

That task will be performed by my disciples after two or three hundred years. Their first order of business will be futile (and sometimes hostile) debates concerning the proper interpretation of "MY WAY".

Afterwards, as is always the case with a new religion, the salient points will have been forgotten and their bastardized transcription will leave the human spirit lost and staggering across the same desert of freedom that has enslaved mankind since the first perception of enlightenment.

cheers and happy new year and the pleasure was all mine

poster...

Freeler
01-03-06, 21:45
Thai Women - Opinions & Advice: Warning Sign!

Coma Boy
01-03-06, 21:54
I think that's what they stamped into Havrum's passport when he finally extended his visa.

ThaiVisitor
01-04-06, 12:39
I'm learning from the error of my ways however, and I view this relationship as a way to change course, to committ and ride this roller coaster of a girl to wherever it takes me for as long as it takes me. I'm going to treat her with all of the love and care I have for her, which dwells deep, and banish all of the insecurities and possessiveness that have only served to suppress my true feelings for her. We are never perfect in our present state but we can always progress towards a better self.
And further to my earlier post, I just want to add, no one can say for sure what will be the outcome of your relationship.

I have seen many of my friends or countryman that are married to ex-hookers from Thailand. Many of them are happily married with kids and some of them didn't turn out too good.

Just as I have seen many of my friends and countryman marry our own country girls. Many of them are happily married and some didn't turn out too good.

Never let the bad experiences of others keeps you away from what you want. In fact learn from it. Never let the good experiences of others blind you too. Again, learn from it.

Don't ever believe that all hookers will never have a proper relationship, or that all hookers will eventually end up alone with no one. Rest assured, they will end up married, or remarried, have a family like everyone else, either to a Thai, an Asian or a farang.

The point is to understand them, understand why they ended up as hookers, understand their culture (or Asian Culture) of why they support their parents, etc, etc and don't deprive them or prevent them from doing what they were brought up to do, BG or hooker or even a decent Thai girl.

Like your last statement, We are never perfect in our present state but we can always progress towards a better self.

I wish you all the best.

Cheers
Tee Vee

Piper1
01-04-06, 12:48
Thai Women - Opinions & Advice: Warning Sign!
LOL! Classic

Member #3409
01-05-06, 09:06
Don't ever believe that all hookers will never have a proper relationship, or that all hookers will eventually end up alone with no one. Rest assured, they will end up married, or remarried, have a family like everyone else, either to a Thai, an Asian or a farang.

The point is to understand them, understand why they ended up as hookers, understand their culture (or Asian Culture) of why they support their parents, etc, etc and don't deprive them or prevent them from doing what they were brought up to do, BG or hooker or even a decent Thai girl.

Like your last statement, We are never perfect in our present state but we can always progress towards a better self.

I wish you all the best.

Cheers,

Tee VeeThat is really great comment. At the end of the day these girls are people too and are doing it for many different reasons. For some it may be a last resort option but others may activly choose the line of work for other reasons.

In relation to supporting family etc it is considerd the norm in Thailand, not just for the working ladies but for the population in general. I'm lead to belive that the eldest daughter has one of the highest responsibilities for looking after the family, which is one reason why she must find a good man, to look after her and also the family. Futher down the sibling line (and for sons even if the eldest) its not so important but they still do have some level of responsibility for supporting the greater family unit.

In relation to the girls they all do it for different reasons. I am great friends with a BG who at 25 has only been doing it for 6 months but makes no quams about the fact she is working in a bar to meet a good decent farang! My friend was working as a sales assistant whilst her younger sister has was a bar girl. The younger sister worked in bars for a few years and found a good guy and then got the sister into it for the same reason. She works in a beer type bar and is fussy about who she sleeps with. She reackons she makes enough money to live on with tips and drinks without having sex, but if a guy B/F her and she likes him then why not get paid to have sex too. The first time I B/F her she made it clear it was just to go out and have some fun (ie no sex) and get to know each other. We ended up hitting the town and then spending the night together in my hotel without the sex and her payment reflected that.

After I returned home we kept in contact and a friendship has grown. On my next trip I saw her again and we are now great friends. We now have an arrangement that when I come to town when we want to see each other I pay her bar fine and she spends her time with me. On the nights where we don't have something planned she still works and then once she finishes she comes to the hotel and spends the night with me. I also compensate her for what she would have earnt if she worked (which is usually only 300 baht) and clearly pay for everything when we go out, but it is a great arrangment. Oh the sex is some of the best I've ever had.

I am not sure if I am her idea of the farang she wants to be with, nor I the girl I would want to spend my life with, but who knows? But the point is this is one girl who is working the bars for a different reason, even if she is in the minority.

Latina Passion
01-05-06, 11:06
Now how often has this happened to the rest of us? It is what it is, business is business, plain and simple cut and dry!

I say just go ahead and lay the pipe to baby girl and move on! Trust me you will never ever forget her, but you my friend in a few years from now, sorry but odds are you will not fair so well in her memories!!!!

Dude, it is hard to believe you have been to Rio and your hung up over some Thai pussy! I know I'm way out numbered here, but dude come on Rio Pussy vs. Thai Pussy? This shit has to be a joke, or dude is real young and the only game he has is an X-Box!


It is interesting for me to read Havrumís opinion about Thai girls who work in this special kind of business. For me as a European it is often also hard to understand, whatís going on. But on one side I read with great enthusiasm this forum Ė and Ė on the other side I try to remember all this things, when I am myself at the sharp end of the scene. But these girls afford always surprises and you sit there with your open mouth and marvel at the things you hear.

A little example.

When I stayed last November/December for about 3 weeks in Pattaya, my girl and I went over next door to ask my buddy and his steady Thai girl, what program we wanted to do that night. He opened the door after knocking, wearing only a towel around the hip and went back to the bed, where his lady was laying, covered with a towel too.

In that moment her cell phone rang, she looked at the number and gave us 3 a sign to stop talking.

Then she spoke with her boyfriend, who called her from UK. And she spoke with such a suffering voice, so moanful and pathetic, that the guy on the other side of the line must have a sleepless night, thinking of his beloved little Thai lady, who seems to be in a deep depression because of missing him.

What he could not see was that she holds her cell phone in one hand, and with the other hand she was playing with my buddies nuts and massaged his dick in a perfect way. I only stand there with open eyes and open mouth and thought about the theme of Ripleyís museum in the Royal Garden: Believe it or not.

After finishing the call she looked at us as normal as ever and smiled. Nothing had to be explained, we went back to the daily routine and had together an excellent evening in the new Vientienne Restaurant at the end of the Walking Street and after that went to Blues factory to heart Lam Morrison and his great Rockín Roll.

Enjoy your life and believe what you see and what you hear and what the guys write in this forum. It is true.

Lemon Tree

Latina Passion
01-05-06, 11:20
And that would be? Jesus Christ! But word is on the street J/C was hitting that shit on the side! Come on guys tell the truth and shame the devil!

We still want to see a pic Por favor!


Havrum,

You are a true romantic. Some would say you are a romantic fool. I really think you are on the right track for disappointment but that's just the way it goes when you fall in love especially with a hooker.

Consider this:

1. If your lovely girl was a hooker you will get more than a roller coaster ride. Most if not all women in the biz have some emotional damage that is totally different from a "regular" girl. They have issues with the following that have been enhanced by selling their pussies:

a. Self image
b. Self confidence
c. Intimacy
d. Sex as a intimate thing not a job thing
e. etc

Unless you are willing to commit 120% to her and be willing to do what it takes to deal with her "issues" you are either naive or just looking for disappointment. Or both.

Unless you are willing to support her financially and emotionally 120% you are heading straight for disappointment. Having a serious relationshp with a hooker is not like the movie "Pretty Woman."

There are many fools that have attempted to "rescue" the bar girl only to create more damage than good when they finally realize that it is a lot more complicated relationship with a hooker or ex hooker and leave her. If anybody in here tells you to follow your heart and not give you a warning of what you are getting into they are misleading you.

At least be honest with yourself and do not pretend that it is all about love. It is not for her. If you are just testing her to see if she really loves you then in my opinion you are a romantic fool. Sorry dude but you sound as naive as they come. Jing.

But good luck. :)

juices

Havrum
01-05-06, 15:39
Like I said, I fall in love too easily. When was last time you have been hung up on any girl, from anywhere? Exactly. If you did recently you might understand where I'm coming from.

For pussy call, Thailand >> Rio and or Buenos Aires, and I speak good spanish and can get by on Portuguese. Every time I go out anywhere in Thailand I pass by 50 hot young chicks looking at me with longing and lust, whom I could have in a second. In the West, South America included (ok maybe Rio excepted, but hell of a trade off of getting mugged every other day, never been robbed anywhere and robbed three times in Rio in just 10 days of stay) you have to work damn hard for free pussy, no matter who you are. Thailand is an open air, all you can eat buffet by comparison.

Which makes this whole thing ironic, I've lost interest in the buffet in favor of same dish every night.

JuiceSpike
01-05-06, 23:22
Havrum,

Is too much rum affecting your sight? For a moment I was taking you seriously but now I realize you are a bit dellusional. Anyway, I have never seen 50 hot young chicks TOGETHER all longing in lust in a group in Thailand. Never. And that would never happen.

Dream on lover boy.... :D

juices

Chocha Monger
01-06-06, 02:10
[QUOTE=Havrum] In the West, South America included (ok maybe Rio excepted, but hell of a trade off of getting mugged every other day, never been robbed anywhere and robbed three times in Rio in just 10 days of stay) you have to work damn hard for free pussy, no matter who you are. Thailand is an open air, all you can eat buffet by comparison.
QUOTE]
I'm afraid that I must strongly disagree that one has to work hard for free pussy in South America. Getting free pussy in SA is like shooting fish in a barrel with a shotgun. Not only will SA girls give you free pussy, they will also wash and cook for you too. Of course, individual experiences differ but I've never heard that complaint before.

CM

Avanza088
01-06-06, 07:52
I once told a thai gal and told her that I dun like american chicks, and they tend to nag alot. The thai gal told me. It's the same. At first, it's lovey dovey, but at the end, nag also.

Sigh. I guess pussy's the same everywhere.

Latina Passion
01-07-06, 06:27
This guy has to using us for some type of theses, what makes a Monger tick and Why? The more I read about the adventures of Havrum, the more I aint buying his brand!

Robbed three times in Rio in 10 days, hell twice would have been enough for my ass! Have to work damn hard in SA for free pussy!

That statement ALONE should raise an eyebrow or two! Hell my ass is 43, been to SA at least 15 times in two years and I always get hit on in SA, by non-pros!

Havrum
01-07-06, 06:51
Well this relationship is heading towards a predictable end. I will post about what happens, as well as some pictures of the girl in a few days. I'm sure probably half of the forum who has been to Pattaya will recognize the girl.

Juice, what I meant was when I go for a walk, like a 20 minute walk down Sikhumvit, Walking Street Thailand, Silom, Khao San, or any other busy place, I pass by dozens of beautiful girls looking at me lustily among the hundreds or so Thai that I pass by. In America the same walk in NYC or Buenos Aires, or anywhere else it may be three. Its not that American girls find me any less attractive, just that they are much less flirtatious, outgoing and interested in men in the first place, thus much harder to get down their pants.

In Pattaya its just out of control. I got girls who are holding their boyfriends hands walking down the street and hitting on me at the same time. Pattaya is split 50/50 between gold diggers and nymphomaniacs (though both will have some traits of the other, they heavily favor one or the other, for example my girl was a nympho). Thus its important to avoid the gold diggers when you first meet (they are easy to weed out as convo invariably turns to money quickly, besides you can usually see it in their eyes) and hit it up with the nymphos. If you get a nympho girlfriend, whether short term or long term, be sure to bang her atleast two times a day and dont ejaculate so quickly, in fact to keep this up you should only ejaculate once in 4 sessions if you can control it. My girl demanded sex three times a day.

Samus Aran
01-07-06, 08:40
Havrum:

SA is sure that you have not heard of him. Maybe you should visit the Samus Aran section.

You are going in the wrong direction friend. You are way off if you think these girls like you for anything other than a quick lay for cash. Didn't you know that we are all hansum guys who get lustful looks from these Thai hump machines? Even the ones who are already taken look at all of us? You are no different than any one of the other thousands of men who come to Thailand to screw for cash. Don't kid yourself. These women could care less about you and your hansum looks or macho swagger. You mean they will screw Brad Pitt for free versus some goat who will give them a few baht for a screw? Of course the cash counts here. And why are you so interested in the lives of these hookers? Back home you wouldnt be caught dead socializing with these heathens. You need to realize that you and the rest of us are nothing more than a means to an end for the Thai humpers. Come to Thailand for paid sex not for a flirtatious relationship with a Thai street hooker who you are looking to establish a long term realtionship with. A relationship with a hooker. How stupid!!! Wake up!

Ozirob:

Dude. Get rid of this girl. You want to establish a relationship with a hooker? Look at yourself. This is hooker is going to be your lifelong partner? You dont need her as a friend either. Plenty of other hookers out there. Move on with your life and stop thinking you need to support these creatures. Big mistake u made by seeing this hooker more than once. That is a big no no. Find, f^&k, forget. Get new one. That is the way the game is played.



You know SA has been out of posting for a while and comes back to reading this garbage. Men falling in love with a hooker. You men who are in this situation need to get some dynamite and place it between your ears to clear away the blockage. Come to the Samus Aran section to get a full dose of medicine. Its hard to believe that you guys think it wont happen to you and that you have met the only thai hooker with a heart of gold. Shame on you. But, if you want to f&*k up your lives that your choice. SA is just trying to get you guys free from this idea that a thai humper makes a good partner.

SA (Samus Aran)

Dashing Don
01-07-06, 09:50
I've read a thousand reports about guys who fell in love with Thai bargirls.

I've read ten thousand reports that vilify these guys for falling in love with Thai bargirls.

I've read five hundred reports that tell us to treat the Thai bargirls with 'respect.'

But nowhere ever, in any form, manner, or shape, have I seen the question asked: the most important question of all:

WHY DO FOREIGN MEN FALL IN LOVE WITH THAI BAR GIRLS TO BEGIN WITH?

Because you simply don't read about mongers falling in love with hookers in Tijuana, or Buenos Aires, or San Jose, or Hong Kong, or Sydney or Vegas or Johannesburg, or Hamburg, or anywhere else, for that matter. The subject simply never comes up.

Only in Thailand!

So why here?

I have my own theories but am interested in hearing others' take on it.

Don

Coma Boy
01-07-06, 10:45
Havrum, I think you're confusing Thai friendliness with lust.

The Traveler
01-07-06, 11:50
WHY DO FOREIGN MEN FALL IN LOVE WITH THAI BAR GIRLS TO BEGIN WITH?

Dashing Don,

very good question.

But I have to object - at least in part. I have heard (and seen some of) the very same stories with Fillipina and Brazilian girls. Of course the Thai stories are outnumbering all the other ones.

The Traveler
01-07-06, 13:32
Havrum,

I have read your posts regarding your relationship and all the replies to you with interest.

Some well meant advice was given, but a few of the guys who replied to you do only repeat well known prejudices, only see the monger's side or are rather interested in computer games than real life (poor saps).

It's obvious that you are still a newbie to Thailand and your comment that those girls are looking lustfull at you where ever you go make it even more obvious that you still aren't able to read between the lines and look behind things. Nothing wrong with it, we all started that way.

Your statement that you see "a lot" of attractive Thai girls everywhere is another sign that you are quite new to LOS and still aren't used to their looks. After some time you will find out that it is rather hard to find a real attractive Thai, of course taste differs. Having 50 cute Thai girls at a single place at the same time is as rare as winning the lottery and even the Miss Thailand contest won't provide 50 beauties IMHO. Only once I have seen something that came close to it, a model (beauty) contest at Central Lad Prao a couple of months ago, where lots of young girls showed up - sometimes with their parents - to grab a model contract.

It's hard to give any advice since I do neither know you nor your girl, but if I would be you, I would enjoy that relationship as long as it lasts. Don't listen to those "never fuck the same girl twice" guys. They either just prefer quantity over quality or aren't willing or able to build up a relationship with whoever.

But beware, don't make final decisions that you will regret later on (e.g. getting married etc.). Get used to the "Thai look" and the Thai sex scene, try to get some insight in your girl's life, leave the beaten tourist tracks and see how your girl will dress and behave there. Will she be insecure and/or still behave/dress like a ho ?

You told us that your girl attended university and has some education. Even though people from all parts of society can be found at universities of different quality, it shows that she isn't from one of very poor families who can't afford to send their kids to univ (btw, there is a government program where you can apply for a scholarship or loan) and often prefer a few quick $$$ over a good income in the long run.

That doesn't go along with the behaviour of her that you described. You also told us that she likes to wear those slutty ass crack shorts. Doing it to attract you might be an explanation as many bar owners force the girls to dress like that, believing that farangs do like it. But in my opinion only low class farangs might like it, someone with some self-respect doesn't want the girl right next to him being dressed slutty.

That tells me a lot about her and about yourself.
She is either insecure or already used to the sex scene and doesn't give shit about what other people might think about her. Thais usually like to stay in the norm and feel uncomfortable when they dress in an offending way. I wonder why you didn't object, aren't you ashamed that everybody can see right away that you got stuck with a hooker ? Don't you care how people think about you and her ? If you really believe that she is your GF and not just a paid ho you should care about it. It's just another way to loose face.

Sad that you don't understand Thai. You would see that even the foul-mouthed girl, who will be loud and swear a lot at the bars and gogos will turn into a very polite little girl as soon as she enters a bank or an office.

So grab your girl and move out of Pattaya. Take her out of that artificial environment. Thailand has much more to offer than just that and it's a great way to see how your girl really is.

Your description of her is quite contradicting so far, so give it a try and tell us if she will turn into the little lovely and caring lady you see in her or if she will be an annoying and bored jaba chick that misses to party every night.


BTW, your comment regarding being robbed three times in Rio within 10 days are either a sign of very bad luck or that you might behave terribly wrong and totally lack of common sense.
One of my sister's used to live in Rio for about three and a half years. During that time she never got robbed but was once almost been shot by a stray bullet. I visited her a couple of times and never felt being in danger anywhere, of course I used my common sense, kept low profile and avoided doubtful areas. I also found it very easy to get laid even with non P4P. Brazilian babes are quite open minded but can get very clingy very fast. So I wonder why you expressed having probs with finding girls and shagging them.

JuiceSpike
01-07-06, 14:10
SA,

Congrats on being set free from the max security isolation prison. Or, are you on a free weekend pass? :D

juices

Rayman
01-07-06, 15:19
One of my mates from college worked in Thailand soon after graduation 15 years ago. He married a gogo dancer, 3 kids later they are still married, she still looks great and he seems a satisfied chap.

My sister, Oxford educated, married a doctor and was divorced after 7 years with 2 kids.

You have to play it how you feel. Many of the punters here have unhappy marriages to return to....make sure you don't.

For me, I would always put an Asian above a western or african girl everytime for a long term committed relationship.

Freeler
01-07-06, 16:33
Rayman,

Correct me if I'm wrong:
Someone, not related to you, got married and is happy.
Someone else, who is related to you, got married and is now divorced.

Has it occurred to you that your family may have a gene pool problem:D?

Samus,

Out and about again, huh?
Lucky you!

Samus Aran
01-07-06, 16:55
Dashing Don:

Your question has been asked so many times before in the Samus Aran section. That is why SA had been relegated to his own section for a few years. Its a question that most of these fellas don't want to answer. SA has asked many times if these same men who defend a reltionship with a thai hooker have the same type of relatioship with a hooker from their own countries. Of course they never respomded but the answer was clear.

Traveler:

Always taking the defense of everything said. You never give up do ya? Hep yoru fellow guys out and tell them to use the humpers for their body parts only an dthen move on. Offer some useful advice once in awhile.

Juice:

Noticed the freedom a few weeks ago. Keeping clean since SA could be stuffed back into that corner of the ISG at a moments notice.

SA

On The Go
01-07-06, 18:48
After reading all the posts on here of late I would like to comment on The Trav's post, as IMHO it is the most open-minded and logical of them all that are pertaining to Havrun. The one thing about the Trav's reports are that he for the most part can always look outside of the scope of things and the tunnel vision so many of us only see. In his post on Havrun, he not only was able to provide his thoughts and opinions from his perspective, but he also took the time to put himself in Havrum's shoes, providing Havrun an opportunity to see things hopefully in another perspective as well. In Travís post he never at all criticized Havrun in any way even though it would be so easy to do so, especially when Havrun speaks about being robbed 3 times in Brazil all in such a short period of time which is a little hard to believe. What Trav did was provide a very good open-minded post, and I hope it has helped Havrun in solving any doubts he may have or the encouragement that was provided gives him the motivation to continue to try to build his relationship/friendship into a successful and happy one. You can say what want about The Trav, but his thoughts and opinions are always backed up with his intellectual knowledge and his experiences, and he is never afraid to express his opinions even though they might not be in the majority.

Terry Terrier
01-08-06, 00:43
SA has asked many times if these same men who defend a reltionship with a thai hooker have the same type of relatioship with a hooker from their own countries. Of course they never respomded but the answer was clear.

Well, here's a clear answer: I've dated a hooker in my own country, and a hooker in a nearby country. Both very 'normal' relationships, btw.

If I remember correctly, Samus' friend Domino/Skinless claimed to have lived with a hooker in his own country?

That's that theory fucked, Samus. Next one, please?

Little Wing
01-08-06, 03:33
I also thought Traveller's comments were very useful, and gave me some things to think about in the relationship that I'm currently working on.

This particular forum has had a lot of useful comments in the past about relationships (from PosterLion, OTH, etc). Unfortunately, there was a bit of an argument a little while ago over whether relationships were a valid topic here. I'm pleased to see them back in the discussion.

I think they key question that Traveller points to is this: "What is the girl really going to be like if she's not working?" I don't have a lot of experience with this but it is not difficult to figure out various possible scenarios: (a) Keeps acting like a BG (b) Turns out to be a nice girl who happened to be WORKING as a BG (c) Turns into something else you wouldn't like (e.g. a nagging, complaining wife!). As Traveller says it's hard to know without further investigation.

Sean_Double
01-08-06, 05:30
Well, here's a clear answer: I've dated a hooker in my own country, and a hooker in a nearby country. Both very 'normal' relationships, btw.

If I remember correctly, Samus' friend Domino/Skinless claimed to have lived with a hooker in his own country?

That's that theory fucked, Samus. Next one, please?

Yo TT,
cc: SA

I couldn't agree more. I too have dated a hooker in my home town and it too was a very "normal" relationship. No one except I and a few of her friends knew she was a hooker, heck, my parents even liked her.
She's now married and lives in a different city, but we've continued to be friends for a decade. Bad theory.

Cheers,
Sean

Havrum
01-08-06, 06:03
This is my final post on the subject. You guys were right 110% and then some. I didn't have much experience dating hookers and I knew the collective wisdom of this forum would be right on target, as when I wrote this at the time I was completely confused.

Anyways my girl was away for 10 days to see her family. I have doubts that she stayed with her family the whole time and most likely went back to Pattaya to earn some easy money while I was away in Bangkok. She proceeded to play these phone games that frustrated the hell out of me, like telling me to call one hour later because she was busy, and then turns phone off one hour later, not answering when I call all day (this is the girl that always answers phone), etc. Then she said she was going to come to me in Bangkok and never did after two days in a row of waiting for her at bus stop. She then kept saying that she had to go back to work in Pattaya, and so on.

Finally, fed up with it, I went to Pattaya and told her I would be there if she wanted to see me. She asked me why I still wanted to see her. I told her quite simply that I just want to hump, then her mood got all excited and lovey dovey again. She even mentioned about bringing her best friend over to "take care of me". I don't know how to feel about this, if it is fucked up or what I should have been doing all along. Unfortunantly later that night, the weakness in me keeps missing her and I keep feeling like I want to have a serious relationship with her.

I see her in Pattaya right away the next day. We don't get around to talking or humping, just going out eating and going to movies. We have good conversation and laughter the whole time and had some of that good chemistry that sparked us in the first place. I kept going full stream into the boyfriend thinking mode instead of the free, good fuck mode.

We go out to disco and she becomes completely lifeless and uninterested for a couple of hours as I dance away in the crowd. She says she is tired.

We get back to my hotel and then the bombshell hit. She was going to leave (3:30 AM) to work, after her ho friend calls her. Remember that before we had been together every single night, and now she was tired and she wanted to go to some man her friend presumably called (her friend is like lady pimp scout, who knows everyone in Pattaya and finds men late at night, usually for her ho friends) on her first night back with me.

For some reason I am not angered and tell her that you have to stay with me and lay it on heavy how I want to be her boyfriend and that I forgive her for everything. I tell her that I will give her money and take care of her each month. Yes it eventually did come down to the money. She said she had to go back to work because I never gave her any money. Her actions really made no sense because she gave up so much money before with her overseas boyfriends, even though I was not a profitable avenue, then changed her mind later about the whole deal. I was calm and gentle the whole time and wooed her into my arms.

You may laugh why I keep on this girl and even offered to give her money if she stayed with me, but my mind was seriously fucked up at this point on a combination of alcohol, lack of sleep, emotional exhaustion of all the games of the last two weeks, exhiliration of seeing her and pussy juice on the brain. I was at about 5% of my normal rationality at this point, which probably isn't all that high to begin with.

She likes everything that I am saying to her and now wants to be boyfriend with me again in Chiang Mai or Bangkok. She goes to sleep, with no interest in fucking for first time ever, then 20 minutes later her friend calls back asking undoubtedly why she didn't show up to fuck whoever she had on the line. Now it hits me as I lay awake after second phone call. WHAT THE FUCK am I doing. I am trying to court a girl, who is about to leave me and go fuck some man in middle of night, who was supposedly to tired to dance or fuck me tonight, after a great and happy day together of seeing each other for first time in long time. Then I blow my lid, start saying all kind of shit to her, which she just ignores. Then she gets up to leave but I grab her cell phone hostage. We continue like this for maybe another hour or two, and Ill spare all of the trailer park, jerry springer details.

We made up later in the morning and both agreed that we could be fuck friends, seeing each other sometime for sex. We demoted each other to second string fucks. I'm still not 100% over all the emotional turmoil, but my mind is already returning back to normal thoughts, i.e. finding pussy, getting blowjobs, poker, working out, you know, normal things. After a few days and sleeping with a few girls my thoughts of this girl won't be any different than that of a pornstar, except one that I have at my beck and call for for the price of a 10 Baht phone call. I seriously was losing my mind and grip on everything as I pursued this girl, my reality, my purpose, my focus, my logic, everything. Don't ever make this mistake, no matter how much you may like a prostitute, how beautiful, seductive, and fun they are, do not fall in love with her, that is unless you are a sadist and want to put yourself in an emotional torture chamber. You can see one of these girls for a long time, years even on an off and on basis, be good friends and have great times together, but never cross the line. But some of you will need experiences like the one I had to learn.

One concern of note is that I was going bareback with this girl after about the first week, which is probably what scrambled up my head in the first place. I'm not really worried that I have some STD, since I have no signs or pain after two months of first doing it.

In conclusion, this relationship did boil down to money in large part, as many mongerers predicted, but not totally either as some mongerers said. She was happy to stay with me for free for more than 5 weeks, not being able to get enough of my 8 inch dick in her tight little pussy (so tight I couldn't even fit the damn thing in their half of the time, had to jam it in forcing open her walls), losing money and profitable contacts in the process. But once she realized the state of her situation, that she had no money, she wasn't making any and I seemed to be a dead end road, she decided to move on to greener pastures, though still wanting to keep me on the side for sex. That too was what I wanted to do in the first place when I met her, just see each other occasionally, and that turned out to be the end result. If I wanted to keep her on as full time girl friend I would have to start paying, and I would have the same bullshit and problems 10 fold, but luckily it never got to that point. She even said at the end that she could be my boyfriend, but if that I didn't help her she would have to work some on side. That might work in Thailand, and indeed many prostitutes have boyfriends on side, but no westerner would put up with that.

PS, yes I did get robbed three times in Rio. First time guy smears dog shit on my shoe, and proceeds to clean it up forcefully. When I refuse to give him money, he pulls out knife. I give him money and he keeps following me. Eventually I run and duck into butcher shop and he flees. Second time I was on the bay taking photos with a semi-expensive digital camera. It was sort of deserted in the afternoon, two young thugs came up to me asking them to give them my camera. When I refused they began to reach into their bag looking for a knife most likely. I sprinted in opposite direction. Third time was simple pick pocket (first time that have ever happened to me too).

Everything in my reports are true, indeed I don't see how you can question the veracity of someone who has provided so much detail and information. If some things seem to contradict and don't make sense, that is because reality often contradicts, and why I was posting on this forum in the first place because the whole thing was so damn mind boggling!!!

The Traveler
01-08-06, 13:46
Havrum,

your final post on this clearly shows me that you don't understand your girl at all.

First question you got to ask yourself : Why is she in Pattaya and working as a prostitute ?
Obviously to earn some money. She might have to take care of her family, paying back some debt or whatever. You made the biggest mistake of all, you didn't gave her any money and just paid for minor things. Don't forget, she got to pay her room rent, electricity, water and so on as well, so even if she doesn't have to support her family she still has bills to pay.

Might be that she hasn't lost her mobile but rather sold it or brought it to a pawn shop as she was running out of money. She was probably too shy to directly demand some money for the provided sex. Some girls have a strange logic and do strange things instead of addressing a problem directly. If you are really as experienced with girls/women as you told us you should know that.

You also destroyed her source of a steady income when you dared to pick up her phone and interfered in her relationship with the other guy. Why did you do that ? As long as you aren't taking care of her you have no right to do so and if she doesn't end it by herself you have no way to enforce it.

I assume she likes you, otherwise she wouldn't have waited that long until she decided that you don't get it and that she had to leave to finally generate some income.

She isn't the bad person you now seem to see in her, who didn't want to give up her profession and instead of staying with you, preferred to leave you to fuck other guys in the middle of the night. You gave her absolutely no chance and didn't offer her a way out of her current situation. Instead of it you took advantage of her, wasted her time, made her loose money and fucked her for free.

I guess your lack of experience and understanding for the girls is the reason for it, otherwise you would deserve being called a cheap charlie.

Even when she finally told you straight away that she needs money to make a living you didn't get the message. What's wrong with you ?

You mention that she couldn't get enough of your 8 inch dick and loved to get fucked by you for free for a couple of weeks. Are you really that naive ?
That comment alone - (btw, do you really believe anybody in here wants to know the size of your dick ?) - shows how you think about yourself, that relationship and haven't understood anything.

You said you have learned your lesson, but believe me, you haven't learned anything. Instead of it your girl learned a lesson which is already common knowledge for most of the providers in LOS : young studs want to fuck their brains out (which you obviously did, having nothing left to think with :() but don't want to pay for it.

You also fucked her bareback after the first week !
Ever heard of HIV, Hepatitis or Syphilis ?

The Traveler
01-08-06, 14:44
Traveler:

Always taking the defense of everything said. You never give up do ya? Hep yoru fellow guys out and tell them to use the humpers for their body parts only an dthen move on. Offer some useful advice once in awhile.

SA,

I think the main difference between you and me is, that I see these girls as human beings with just a different kind of job/profession opposite to you, who refers to them as objects.

What makes you so much better than them ?
Call yourself lucky that you have been born in a different environment. If you would be them you would most likely do the very same things or even be a criminal. You are nothing special and not superior at all, you are just different like the rest of us.

I can't remember that you ever told us where do you find "your very beautiful" girls, but keep telling us that "our" girls are all plain ugly. I also can't remember that you ever posted anything regarding discos, bars, restaurants, sightseeing, airlines, bus routes, ST hotels (just mentioned Playboy once), laundry, SIM cards, internet providers, insurances and so on ...

Quite poor for someone who lives there and should know about it.
So why not share your wisdom with us or want to keep that info for yourself ?
Remember, that forum was intended to help each other and not as a playground to bother others that might have a different opinion.

So please provide some useful info instead of repeating your rantings endlessly.

Samus Aran
01-08-06, 14:47
Havrum:

Don't listen to the garbage spewed forth from the previous poster. You did the rite thing and bailed out before it got bad. You did learn. Now u will just do these humpers for sex, pay them, and be gone and truly enjoy yoruself. SA has said time and time again to not get involved in any way shape or form with these hos. Some people still don't listen. These girls are for screwing. PERIOD. Don't be ashamed. Traveler really is giving out muddy info. Stick with the 3f plan and you will be fine.

Traveler:

SA is a MP parlor guy. That way SA doesnt need to hear the sad stories nor buy them anything. SA uses a hooker for what they are meant to be used for. They don't care about SA nor does SA care about them. SA is not mean to them. SA sees them as human beings. As human being sex providers. They are not SA's friends just a service.

SA

The Traveler
01-08-06, 15:34
SA,

you are a hopeless case.
The 3Fs weren't invented by you and are nothing new.

The point is, Havrum did the 3F before but was interested in that girl as a GF for his very own reason. He just didn't succeed because he didn't understood the situation and failed to try to see it with his girl's eyes.

There is a time and place for the 3Fs and a time and place for GFE.
But people like you, who are obviously unwilling and unable to build up a relationship with whoever will end up lonely.

Now you are still relatively young and still have enough money to pay the girls. The question is, if you will still be able to pay to get laid if you are one of those you like to insult (the old and bald) and if it will be satisfying. A relationship is much more than just busting a nut.

Remember, you can't hurry love and you like who you like. It happens when it happens and it's not a process that you can control. These girls are neither better nor worse than we are. They are just born in a different environment and do have some obligations that force them into that kind of business as they see no other way to earn enough money to fulfill their obligations.

As long as you haven't managed to support your family and paid back a debt of several ten- to hundred thousand baht by working in a Thai factory - up to 12-14 hours per day, with temperatures around 40-45 degrees Celsius, without any aircondition and the air full of thinner or other smelly gases that will damage your health - you are not in a postion to judge them and tell them that they have other options. I wonder what do you really know about the Thai labour market. People who lack of a good education have not much choice and these girls often only attended school for 6-12 yrs due to being born into a poor family.

Stick to your 3Fs if you like, it's your decision and there is nothing wrong with it, but it's not the only solution (in case it is a solution at all) and stop ranting against those who dare to express a different opinion.

Who are you to decide what's wrong and right for the rest of us ?

The Traveler
01-08-06, 16:09
Traveler:

SA is a MP parlor guy. That way SA doesnt need to hear the sad stories nor buy them anything. SA uses a hooker for what they are meant to be used for. They don't care about SA nor does SA care about them. SA is not mean to them. SA sees them as human beings. As human being sex providers. They are not SA's friends just a service.

SA
SA,

now that you have edited your below post and added a clause, I am glad to see that you see them as human beings.
But why doesn't your wording reflect that ?

If you see it as a business transaction than you should refer to the girls as your business partners who are selling a good that you want to buy. But instead of doing so you used to call them being "less worth than a used Kleenex" and similar things. Do you use the same wording for those who sell you goods at a market or do you call all your business partners names ?

As I already said, stick to your 3Fs if you like, nothing wrong with it.
We all 3F most of the girls we get laid with. How else could we have so many encounters with the other gender ? But sometimes you meet a girl that provides more than just sex and gives you what you are looking for. Some men who aren't emotionally dead are attracted by it and want to prolong that experience. Nothing wrong with it either.

All I say is, that there is more than just the 3Fs and men who aren't acting according to the 3Fs aren't necessarily morons. Remember, these girls aren't a different species, they just have a profession that society used to condemn but men (you included) still request.

Strange enough, society tends to bar out women who request money in exchange for provided sex to make a living but those who choose their partners due to their social status, money and power are respected by the very same people.

So what's your point ?
Why is it a "mission impossible" to have a normal relationship with any of those girls in your opinion ?

I am looking forward for any rational arguments in case you can provide any.

JuiceSpike
01-09-06, 17:41
Guys, here is an article I grabbed from stickman's site. The article at times a bit off the wall but there is a lot of truth in many things. The article does not deal only with the "love" or advice about Thai women specifically but it is a broader look at Asia that may or may not answer the cultural differences and therefore answer some questions on why "they" are the way they are...
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Face, Guile, And The Commerce Of Living

Is the local pop culture soul-less? Is Asian interaction more shallow than what we take for granted in the west? Pop culture anywhere is easy to mock, but it's not easy to find anything but pop culture in Asia.

You can see it in the eyes Ė the guile. Westerners are guileless. We are unarmed. Over here, what you see is also what you get, but all that you ever see is guile. There is nothing of interest underneath the guile. It seems a fundamentally materialistic mind space, greed and aversion and apathy the root of all transactions. A smile is a request for interest. A turned head is a snub. No eye contact is a lack of interest, or care. Business of business for business. No one smiles at panhandlers, panhandlers are professionally pathetic, everything neat and tidy and utterly useless. Hearty cackles and tight black eyes, every penny in the heart pinched. Spent only for gain, among allies. Allies, not friends.

There is no interest in education. That is saying the same thing. Truth holds no value. Same. All movements are commerce, or meaningless. There are few gardens or parks or beautiful buildings, especially here in the Philippines, unless in large private acreage to show status. The arts are barely alive in Asia, unless you count copying. No live band writes their own material, painters copy from photographs, and there is nearly no literature produced. Philosophy is not here. Never discussed here. The good, the true, and the beautiful, have no widespread following. There are no recognizable morals of truth and justice Ė lawyers and police openly frame foreigners and the disadvantaged, as if it was obviously proper. No recognizable allegiance to any consensual reality, scientific or otherwise. No recognizable living arts.

The cultures of Thailand and the Philippines amount to the importation of currently fashionable cell phones. Guile, with nothing underneath the guile Ė means without an ends. After the Beemer and the big hair and the long painted nails and the secret phone numbers, then what? Itís got to be lonely in there, wherever there is, and I suspect no one will ever know, or question, or care. Trappings are wealth here. People get rich in order to be rich, in order to exacerbate their alienation, to drive the stake as deeply as they can into their pain, to commit their insecurities to suicide, to become as inauthentic as possible, as nonexistent as possible. As untouchable as possible. As rich as possible.

?There is nothing to question. Nothing inside, or outside. Just relax, get your titillations, get as much status while you can, and donít worry about your inevitable meaningless death.

Even love is a business proposition here, a bargain. A temporary bargain.There is another way. There is a better way. There are reasons to wake up in the morning that are not about gathering or gaining or displaying or cultivating or changing anything about one's place in the scheme of things. Awe, appreciation, love, require not a millimeter of motion. Guile is too much work for its result. Guile marches, but always backwards. It requires a sick culture to re-enforce in full adults.
Asia is sick.

The popular cultural values of SE Asia are so shallow and developmentally impaired as to be plainly diseased. Expats who live here eventually refuse to do any business with Asians. People who date here either give up any of their own values as irrelevant, thus denying the possibility of a shared consensual reality with Asians, or donít expect much in the way of shared values. Unless the woman is foreign educated or otherwise worldly beyond her culture, she will be myopic beyond all credulity, her only interests relating to boy hunting or family. Her mental skills, developed for those reasons, or not at all. Nothing outside of that exists.

Delirious with endless visions of gain, SE Asia has gone blind to worth. Human connections seem not so much as grounded in value here, but used for valuable goods and experiences. Boyfriends are commodities. Everything is used for a purpose, but the purpose seems so obviously a tangent from what is important. Power more important than the love and good uses it seeks. Status more important than the friendships it could open the door to. The goals are tangential to anything truly valuable. Get married to be married. Pray so that you pray. Empty rituals with no respect for the soul they could foster. It would be satire, if enough people were in the audience to laugh.

Everyone is on stage. After the rage, should be peace. There is no peace here Ė the business oriented eyes never shine back, wide and interested and naked and wild and present and without agenda. You could wait forever, all youíd ever see is guile and all itís devilish and seductive pretences. Honesty is guile here. Everything for a purpose. It is maddening. Once you see it and see it clearly, see seduction as seduction, see indifference as indifference, see aggression as aggression, once you see it, it is hopelessly maddening.

It is lonely when you canít touch anything. There is nothing like that moment of looking into the eyes of a lover in moments of ecstatic love. That is polarly opposite to looking into they eyes of someone while they lie to you, or while they lie to themselves while they lie to you. The spark isnít there. It feels different. Itís the opposite of bliss and joy and communion. It hurts. You just want to slap them, or something. Anything but just sit there, knowing that the situation is totally beyond your control, hopeless. There will be no spark. There will be no reason, no purpose. Yes, Iím fine, and you?

When everything is for advantage, trust relies on treaties and agreements. It has to be chosen, created, then reconciled to. If being trustworthy were as natural as concern, and we were to naturally expect the same from others, what would that look like? Not at all like guile. Trust is just another weapon here, another handle for manipulation. It has no meaning other than that.

I have a few simple questions for people I wonder about.

1) What kind of boyfriend would you like?
2) What does love feel like, to you?

If the answer to #1 is something like ďsomeone who loves me for who I amĒ, I know that the person wants love more than someone to love. Why not say instead ďsomeone who will let me love them unconditionally all the timeĒ

If the answer to #2 is anything about receiving care and attention, Iíll know that the person has little feeling for the giving of love Ė what it feels like to give love that comes from inside her. There is probably not much love there, that is why she looks for someone to fill her with it.?So thatís it. Asia is someone that wants to be loved, but doesnít even know what love really is. Love has nothing to do with fashionable cell phones or big hair. When is Asia going to start giving? The guileful never truly give.

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juices

ThaiVisitor
01-10-06, 11:08
This is my final post on the subject. You guys were right 110% and then some. I didn't have much experience dating hookers and I knew the collective wisdom of this forum would be right on target, as when I wrote this at the time I was completely confused.

In conclusion, this relationship did boil down to money in large part, as many mongerers predicted, but not totally either as some mongerers said. She was happy to stay with me for free for more than 5 weeks, not being able to get enough of my 8 inch dick in her tight little pussy (so tight I couldn't even fit the damn thing in their half of the time, had to jam it in forcing open her walls), losing money and profitable contacts in the process. But once she realized the state of her situation, that she had no money, she wasn't making any and I seemed to be a dead end road, she decided to move on to greener pastures, though still wanting to keep me on the side for sex. That too was what I wanted to do in the first place when I met her, just see each other occasionally, and that turned out to be the end result. If I wanted to keep her on as full time girl friend I would have to start paying, and I would have the same bullshit and problems 10 fold, but luckily it never got to that point. She even said at the end that she could be my boyfriend, but if that I didn't help her she would have to work some on side.
Havrum,

I think your preception of things in life needs a lot of fine tuning.

I am not saying that you were right on what you are doing, or wrong on your assumptions of her motives, only that you need to be a little more "open minded".

As I am not there to witness your relationship with her, nor talk to her to understand her thoughts better, I can only make my own assumptions based on your posts, and my experiences.

I just want to let you know that man does not live on love and sunshine. They need to eat. So does this girl of yours. Maybe you expect your future wife, whoever she may be, not to be dependent on you financially that you do not need to give her a single cent, and that she be at your beck and call, to keep your household in order, to satisfy all your needs, be a sex slave, bear your kids, and be a super woman for you, and still support herself completely, than I assure you that you will never have a proper relationship, and if you do marry, your marriage will not last.

Relationships, whether your or anyone else, does not boils down to money, it boils down to security. Much as you like to believe that you are, but the reality is that you are not God's gift to women. So you can stop expecting to find someone, be it a BG or whoever, to throw everything away to be with you while you just give them the tip of a straw to hang on.

It is very selfish of you not to understand the difficulty she has to go thru, the reason she became a BG, which is probably because she needs money, whether for herself, her family or whatever.

I can put everything I have, that if you treat any girl the same way, be it a Thai BG, or one of your country's better girls and can fine one who satisfy all that you want and be your wife, I'll as the cHinese says "minced my dick and feed it to the chickens".

I'm not telling you or advising you what next steps to take, to salvage your relationship with a girl you love or lust, to re-think what you have done, or whatever. That's entirely up to you.

Just to let you know, that it's people like you, and the things you have done or expected, that makes these BGs start to distrust you guys in general and be street smarter in their future meetings with guys. And then you guys will then say these girls are brought up as con women, or whatever.

Cheers
Tee Vee

Havrum
01-10-06, 13:03
We sat up all night last night on my balcony talking about everything, life, our pasts, about previous relationships and so forth. We are back on track to going to Chiang Mai to live together, first probably going to some island like Ko Samet for a few days. We are both still going to proceed tentatively about everything though.

This is a sweet girl who comes from a good household and family, who has almost no vices other than a love to party and hunt men. Her relationship problems stem from not having a real boyfriend, only Thai men who butterflied with her in college while trying to control her, and a boyfriend from Sweden who she met in Bangkok (not Pattaya as a working girl) whom she spent 5 months with, who was also very controlling. But then again I have a similar life experience myself.

This girl has gone the extra mile for me in not going to work, in abandoning her past relationships such as the sweden man and two other man who were calling her sending her money, and in putting up with me when I didn't help her out with money (more on the money issue later as traveller and others have it all wrong). Furthermore I displayed and ugly side of myself the other night when I lost my temper on her, saying some bad things, and feigning to take back her cell phone from her, yet she forgave me quickly. I am not one to lose my temper, and all of my problems I had with her in the past I generally kept to myself or wrote on this forum as my vent.

Before I emphasized the sex in the relationship, because that was my logical conclusion as the only thing she wanted out of me after I felt I had been burnt. However, as others have said, that certainly is not true.

MONEY MONEY MONEY

Traveller you have it all wrong.

"First question you got to ask yourself : Why is she in Pattaya and working as a prostitute ?
Obviously to earn some money. "

She was not working in Pattaya the moment I met her. She had only been there two days before meeting me. Before that she had been with her family for a few months and she didnt have to work as she had men sending her money. She had worked only 4 months in Pattaya before that. I suspect she came back to Pattaya because she loves to party and was getting bored at home, and has so many friends in Pattaya (she went to university in Chonburi). If I had never met her she probably would haven't even ever gone back to work there, or only briefly. She even said if she hadn't met me she probably would have gone back home after a few weeks.

"She might have to take care of her family, paying back some debt or whatever. You made the biggest mistake of all, you didn't gave her any money and just paid for minor things. Don't forget, she got to pay her room rent, electricity, water and so on as well, so even if she doesn't have to support her family she still has bills to pay."

Yes she wants money to help her family. But no, she didn't have any expenses. Like I said she had just come to Pattaya and was staying in her friends room and then stayed with me every night once she met me. She had zero expenses, other than occasional food and whatnot which I covered when she was with me.

"Might be that she hasn't lost her mobile but rather sold it or brought it to a pawn shop as she was running out of money. "

Impossible. She cried and was devastated for nearly four hours after losing phone. When she had first realized she didnt have phone at Walking Street, she was in turmoil and desperate frenzy to find it. That is not something you can fake.

"She was probably too shy to directly demand some money for the provided sex. Some girls have a strange logic and do strange things instead of addressing a problem directly. If you are really as experienced with girls/women as you told us you should know that."

Yes she is shy to talk about money as only talked about it once with me in first 5 weeks we were together and only when she was drunk at that. She was not with me to "provide" me as a service provider, but because she genuinely wanted to be with me. If you don't understand that after 8 pages of discussion then I don't think you understand anything about the whole situation. I realize I'm writing on a monger board, but not every intimate relationship, even one with former prostitutes, are monetarily based.

"She isn't the bad person you now seem to see in her, who didn't want to give up her profession and instead of staying with you, preferred to leave you to fuck other guys in the middle of the night. You gave her absolutely no chance and didn't offer her a way out of her current situation. Instead of it you took advantage of her, wasted her time, made her loose money and fucked her for free."

Wrong. We were both romanticaly attached to each other. This kind of response just shows how jaded some of you are that a relationship cannot be for romance rather than just money. I did not help her out with money because, one, she never expressed need for money, only once when she was drunk (about her family), and two, I am not interested in paying for a relationship. P4P and romantic relationships are mutually exlusive, and should be treated so, but that still doesn't mean one can't and that I wouldn't, help out a romantic partner later on. Just not right away.

She only started to express her need for money and work on the phone when she was away visiting her family. I told her I would help her out later when we were in Chaing Mai plus she could get a normal job there with her English, university and computer skills. Plus she would be with me and have no expenses. It would be an ideal situation for her. All she had to do was meet me half way. If she couldn't meet me half way, which she almost didn't, then clearly she is not worthy being with me. I guess she didn't trust me and thought I didn't care about her, but she had little reason to come to that conclusion based on the previous five weeks. Her giving up on the situation while I was away, playing games and wanting to work, was what hurt me most especially after I had reached the conclusion that I wanted to stay with her (as you all seen on this forum, which were my real time thought processes).

If I start throwing money around to her right away how would I know she was not a gold digger and genuinely wanted to be with me. Even when I told her I'd help her with money later when we were together, she seemed uninterested and said she wanted her own money. She was not keen on handouts.

After she came back to me from our fight and we made up, I gave her 5,000 Baht. She asked me why I was giving her money, which was kind of strange after all we had discussed the previous night, and I said because I was serious about her and didn't knew she had money problems. The first thing she did after getting the money was go to the market with her friend and by me 3 shirts and one pair of pants for me as a gift. What a nice girl.

"You mention that she couldn't get enough of your 8 inch dick and loved to get fucked by you for free for a couple of weeks. Are you really that naive ?
That comment alone - (btw, do you really believe anybody in here wants to know the size of your dick ?) - shows how you think about yourself, that relationship and haven't understood anything."

When I believed that she didn't want to be with me and was just using me, I concluded that she was using me for sex since it certainly wasn't for money. This was false as I said but its a reasonable assumption in the state I was in.

Pedro Chilli
01-10-06, 13:21
We sat up all night last night on my balcony talking about everything, life, our pasts, about previous relationships and so forth. We are back on track to going to Chiang Mai to live together, first probably going to some island like Ko Samet for a few days. We are both still going to proceed tentatively about everything though.
.

Havrum, heartwarming as your story is, this board is about having sex with prostitutes and paying for it afterward. Go fuck a hooker, pay her, and then fill us in on the details. Cheers Pedro

Coma Boy
01-10-06, 13:23
She had only been there two days before meeting me. Before that she had been with her family for 6 months.I always wondered who believed that line.

"I've only been working here X days" is the bar-girl motto.

Havrum
01-10-06, 13:42
I always wondered who believed that line.

"I've only been working here X days" is the bar-girl motto.

False. Work on your reading skills. She was upfront with me right away, like the second day I had met her, that she worked in Pattaya before. She was upfront about her phone boyfriends, whom she talked to in the bed with me every day when we first met. She didn't try to hide anything or decieve me, especially since I didn't express any hostility to all of that. She thought of me as understanding and fair. If she didn't lie about all of that, why would she lie about being in Pattaya for two days. Everything in her friends little cubicle sharing the bed, and her lack of possessions in Pattaya, would confirm that.

Girls come and go to Pattaya all the time. She had worked there before, which she said, and she had just come back when she had met me. Nothing hard to believe there.

Furthermore, I did not meet her in a beer bar but walking down the street (a non descript street with no bars or go gos) in Pattaya when she approached me.

Pedro, this particular forum is about Thai women. It is also particularly relevant to people here because she used to be a prostitute, although not very long, and some believe here that prostitutes are categorically incapable of being good mates, or are only worth fucking one time (i.e. Samus). They may be right, but I end up having a good experience, I'm sure many would like to hear about it, rather than just the bad experiences. So far its been a mixed bag, but I'm more positive now, once again, that we can have a good relationship together.

Piper1
01-10-06, 13:47
Havrum - I agree, your topic is relevant. But ...

Pedro - I agree. Enough already. Havrum sounds like a troll. He's going on and on (and on and on and on) and now he's now debating and insulting those who he encouraged to provide advice for him throughout his melodrama. Yawn.

Havrum
01-10-06, 13:52
Havrum - I agree, your topic is relevant. But ...

Pedro - I agree. Enough already. Havrum sounds like a troll, he's going on and on (and on and on), and he's now debating and insulting those who he encouraged to provide advice for him. Yawn.

You are certifiably retarded if you think I am a troll.

Coma Boy
01-10-06, 14:02
But you ARE a troll.

We used to feel sorry for you, we tried to help, you wisely saw the light, and now have fallen straight back in. Thousands of newbies make these same mistakes every year, you're not alone.

Please spare us any further "dear-diary" installments.

Piper1
01-10-06, 14:22
For heavens sake Havrum - the same story in Argentina? You should've learned by now. Maybe you hav rum too much.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=227411#post227411

Excerpt from Havrum's Argentine melodrama *in May 2004*. Too familiar:

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[blah blah blah] ... My girlfriend was a prostitute whom I made the mistake of falling in love with (happens far more often than guys on here would ever admit) [especially to Havrum]. After being together for a few months, and the both of us making vows fidelity in which she quit prostitution, worked another job and I would gave her a some support with bills, I later learned that she had continued in prostitution on an irregular basis. [Oh my God! Really?] My heart was broken but I should have known better in the first place, a mistake of the naive. [What did you learn from this Havrum? Still naive 20 months later. Hmmm.] She said that she hated prostitution, which was perhaps a half-truth, yet she continued anyway when she had no financial or other necessity to do so. ... [blah blah blah]
__________

ThaiVisitor
01-10-06, 14:38
For heavens sake Havrum - the same story in Argentina? You should've learned by now, no? Maybe you have too much rum.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=227411#post227411

Excerpt from Havrum's Argentine melodrama. Too familiar:

___________
[blah blah blah] ... My girlfriend was a prostitute whom I made the mistake of falling in love with (happens far more often than guys on here would ever admit) [especially to Havrum]. After being together for a few months, and the both of us making vows fidelity in which she quit prostitution, worked another job and I would gave her a some support with bills, I later learned that she had continued in prostitution on an irregular basis. [Oh my God! Really?] My heart was broken but I should have known better in the first place, a mistake of the naive. [What did you learn from this Havrum?] She said that she hated prostitution, which was perhaps a half-truth, yet she continued anyway when she had no financial or other necessity to do so. ... [blah blah blah]
__________
From Argentina, then to Bangkok, and soon will be ChiangMai.

You think it will go in alphabetical order?

Cheers
Tee Vee :D

Piper1
01-10-06, 14:49
From Argentina, then to Bangkok, and soon will be ChiangMai.

You think it will go in alphabetical order?

Cheers
Tee Vee :D
LOL TV -

Havrum, after C for Chiang Mai, come tell me your story over a beer, in D for Dubai. Lots of WGs here to fall in (and out and in and out) of love with.

Watch out Zambia!

Samus Aran
01-10-06, 15:53
Havrum:

You disappoint SA. Falling back into the arms of a hooker to form a lasting relationship. Your screwed pal.


SA

JuiceSpike
01-10-06, 16:04
I think Havrum is just fucking with us... It looks like he contradicts himself every other post which could mean 3 things:

1. He is maddly in love
2. He is a drunk
3. Both of the above

juices

Piper1
01-10-06, 22:18
I think Havrum is just fucking with us... It looks like he contradicts himself every other post which could mean 3 things:

1. He is maddly in love
2. He is a drunk
3. Both of the above

juices
4. None of the above.
5. Long-term troll.

Correct answer: 5

PosterLion
01-10-06, 23:27
She was upfront with me right away

Havrum (sigh),

My dear grasshopper. I understand your obessisive compulsive disorder because I suffer from it (at least I think I do), but look man_ your story is ridiculous!

Firstly, I've never met a prostitute in my life that was "upfront with me right away". You may believe (or want to) that she is upfront, but I guarantee you 90% of what she tells you in earnest is a crock of shit. It took me months to sift through my girlfriend's earnesty to find the actual truth and I still find new holes in some of the riddles (stories) I thought to be solved months ago. I'm sorry, but I don't believe anyone that has been to Argentina and Thailand could be as naive as you are Mr. Troll.

Maybe you want to be flippant and submit highly debatable subject matter to stir up some reflective conversation, but you've gone too far. Come on man, your stories are obvious fiction and it's quite apparent that you are trying to draw attention to yourself. Are you really that lonely? I bet you think nobody loves you. Get a life and stop lying to people for attention. That's what women and children do.


Furthermore, I did not meet her in a beer bar but walking down the street (a non descript street with no bars or go gos) in Pattaya when she approached me.

Secondly, why do you feel compelled to defend her? Are you ashamed of her current/previous career. If you are then you should forget about her right away because your shame will haunt you (and her) forever. You need to go to McDonald's and read the big sign that says, "over 1 billion served". You need to get used to the idea that your girlfriend has fucked and sucked more cocks than you can possibly imagine. Believe me, fucking for her is the equivalent of eating another lukewarm Big Mac.

Oh hell... here I am trying to give you advice again. I forgot that your stories are fiction and that you're a Troll.


Pedro, this particular forum is about Thai women. It is also particularly relevant to people here because she used to be a prostitute, although not very long, and some believe here that prostitutes are categorically incapable of being good mates, or are only worth fucking one time (i.e. Samus). They may be right, but I end up having a good experience, I'm sure many would like to hear about it, rather than just the bad experiences. So far its been a mixed bag, but I'm more positive now, once again, that we can have a good relationship together.

Shit! Now I'm getting embarrassed. Maybe you are doing this for the sole purpose of mocking the Posterlion. I do admit that I'm guilty of intentionaly trying to prove that folks like Samus are categorically incorrect and now that I think about it, I have.

However, I've been guilty of troll-like behaviour on this forum because I am certain many of the readers here are more than a little bored with my continous saga.

On the other hand, I'm not ashamed of my guilt because I knew my behaviour was no more troll-like than listening to Samus chanting his 3F mantra while meditating on the finer points of a Sony Playstation.

I will give Samus credit for advising all and sundry that relationships with prostitutes are not worth it for the majority because most (if not all) prostitutes are incapable of being a good mate. The reason my relationship has worked for me is because I am more or less incapable of being a good mate too. But that's my problem and I'm aware of it.

On a final note: I don't advise anyone to attempt a meaningful relationship with a prostitute. Leave that sort of dirty work to me and to others like me. I'm not sure about the other guys, but I'll continue to post my autobiographical stories.

And please please please DO NOT write fictional stories of love relationships with prostitutes in the Thai forum any more!

TROLLS ARE NOT WELCOME HERE!

poster...

Latina Passion
01-11-06, 01:46
Damn I bring up this possibility and I get SLAMMED! This calls for an Immediate poll, for Mr. Havrum! OTR could you please run and go tell Daddy about this, gross misuse of the Forum!

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself!


This guy has to using us for some type of theses, what makes a Monger tick and Why? The more I read about the adventures of Havrum, the more I aint buying his brand!

Robbed three times in Rio in 10 days, hell twice would have been enough for my ass! Have to work damn hard in SA for free pussy!

That statement ALONE should raise an eyebrow or two! Hell my ass is 43, been to SA at least 15 times in two years and I always get hit on in SA, by non-pros!

Coma Boy
01-11-06, 04:47
You need to get used to the idea that your girlfriend has fucked and sucked more cocks than you can possibly imagine. Believe me, fucking for her is the equivalent of eating another lukewarm Big Mac.Havrum, repeat this like a mantra.

Old Thai Hand
01-11-06, 06:51
Havrum

You've become boring.

Poster has you dead to rights. There are lots of inconsistencies in your story. One that comes to mind, immediately is that your girl apparently has to work to support her family, but managed to pay for 4 years of university in Chonburi. Where did she get that money? Fucking for tuition? The only unis in Chonburi are Burapha and Asian University, both private and both expensive. Right away, I smelled something fishy in that bit of info alone.
Secondly, Poster's response to your girl being upfront ("I guarantee you 90% of what she tells you in earnest is a crock of shit") is dead on. The fact is that Thai girls lie - All of them, whether BGs or regular TGs - HiSo, MidSo, LoSo or NoSo. It is endemic in the culture. I wrote about it at length awhile back. Anybody who takes anything a Thai girl says at face value is a fool. Thai culture is a culture of deception rooted in the Thai desire to be 'krengjai' or considerate. They lie for the same reasons as we all do: to protect themselves and/or to make themselves look good. But, an additional reason that is very definitely Thai, or perhaps, in general Asian is a desire to spare the feelings of others.
So, in short Thai girls tell you what you want to hear, from "Hello, hansuum man" to the most convoluted shit they can think of to stay on your good side.

Havrum
01-11-06, 16:44
I enjoy writing and sharing experiences with random people on message boards. Aside from being enjoyable, I like it because it is anomynous, not like telling some embarassing shit to friends or people you know.

However I will be sure not to post on this board again. Mongerers are so leery of everyone and everything, by being lied to and dicked around by prostitutes for so long, that they even think people on the internet are decieving them. While there are certainly trolls on the internet, maybe 1-2% of forum bandwidth out there, they post one or two times then stop and are easy to spot. You think that someone pouring out massive details of a two month experience that could fill a 50 page book is a troll, that is ridiculous. I have been writing on all types of forums since 1998 about all types of things, politics, sports, whatever, and I've never seen a troll post like that. If there are inconsistincies in the story, like the Chonburi Uni someone mentioned, I'm just repeating what she told me.

What is interesting is that my experience is so rudimentary and run of the mill, I'm sure everyone here has had an average of 4-5 experiences like this, yet people act like my story is some crazy, concocted tale. Then again, maybe wrong, perhaps people here haven't ever had passionate, turbulent relationships and are just walking corpses going from one brothel, bar and overused pussy to the next.

For the man that said that she has had a thousand cocks in her pussy and mouth, so have I had a thousand mouths and pussys on my cock and I'm barely older than she is. Then again, if that is true, I wonder why she has the tightest pussy by far out of all of those pussys I have ever felt.

JuiceSpike
01-11-06, 16:58
Havrum,

I could not resisit to comment about your question:

"Then again, if that is true, I wonder why she has the tightest pussy by far out of all of those pussys I have ever felt...."

The answer: Because you have a small cock?... :D

A happy world you live in.

juices

Freeler
01-11-06, 17:53
Old Thai Hand,

I enjoyed that last post of yours. Because it's oh so true.
Newbies should read it, repeat it, and act as if they understand it,

Freeler

Sean_Double
01-11-06, 17:55
What is interesting is that my experience is so rudimentary and run of the mill, I'm sure everyone here has had an average of 4-5 experiences like this, yet people act like my story is some crazy, concocted tale. Then again, maybe wrong, perhaps people here haven't ever had passionate, turbulent relationships and are just walking corpses going from one brothel, bar and overused pussy to the next.

Havrum,

I have been reading your saga with great interest, your writing skills are good, and yes, your situation is certainly not unique. A lot of the advice givers have been in the very same situation as you find yourself however I doubt that they've been through it 4-5 times. Usually once is enough.

Aside for the criticisms of inconsistencies in your reports I think a lot of what rubs people the wrong way is the way that you seem to be waffling both over how you feel about the girl and how you treat her. Given that she is a prostitute you need to absorb that fact, get in tune with the realities of how you feel about it and either shit or get off the pot. Face the fact that in taking on a hooker as a girlfriend you are treading on thin ice, it might work out or it might not, but you need to step up to the plate one way or another.

There are a lot more sucessful relationships with Thai bar girls and farangs I believe than would be inferred by the posts on this board, this is a sex site not a testimonial forum for happy relationships. I'd look at the advice given to you very seriously though because a lot of it has come from the experiences of those who have been there and are not just walking corpses going from brothel to bar. The best advice that you have gotten is that if you are going to try to make a go of it with this girl you are going to have to put a lot of effort and money into it..are you willing to do that? I'm sorry to say that it doesn't sound like it from what you have posted.

If you do hook up and commit to this girl its not going to be a free ride which it sounds like what you're expecting.

Good Luck,
Sean

The Traveler
01-11-06, 23:21
"Then again, if that is true, I wonder why she has the tightest pussy by far out of all of those pussys I have ever felt...."

The answer: Because you have a small cock?... :D

JuiceSpike,

your answer isn't logical.
If his dick would be small, he wouldn't rate her pussy as being tight but rather big.

Anyway, remember Einstein, everything is relative. Even if she has the tightest pussy by far out of all of those pussies he ever felt, that doesn't mean that she "is" tight :)

The Traveler
01-11-06, 23:55
Havrum,

you're either absolutely naive or ignorant, more than anyone of us ever expexted.

I could reply to all of your answers to my post, but you aren't willing or able to understand what's going on and it would only go back and forth endlessly. Therefore I spare any efforts on this.

Do what you want to do, it's your life and you will only learn from experiences that you will make by yourself. Just like most people, you don't learn from experiences of others.

But listen to us and keep in mind what we said. I don't go along with everything that has been said here but bottom line is, your are either lying to us or you are lying to yourself, the latter is worse.

Don't forget, people like Old Thai Hand, me and a few other are/were living and working in Thailand and our experiences combined go as far as a multiple of your life span, we have had hundreds - if not thousands - of girls, do speak the language and have seen things that reach beyond your imagination.

If you have doubts and do not believe us, fine. But also keep doubting your girl's stories.

If you are interested in the truth, listen to these stories very very carefully. Don't look at the big story, that probably won't change but note and memorize the tiny details and how they change from version to version. The details won't change if she is honest, otherwise she is lying. Most liars can't remember everything they said, but if it's the truth it's in their memory because it happened to them. Bring up certain issues of her story from time to time, keep asking out of interest, make her talk about it but don't make her feel that you don't trust her. Most important, listen to her ! Soon you will find contradicting "facts" and then you should ask yourself why they are contradicting.

Havrum
01-14-06, 13:35
Traveler, my purpose in posting here was not just to ask for advice and opinions, but to tell my adventures to an interested audience. I realize I don't have the most sound judgment and may be igornant in these matters all of which I mentioned many times. Really that is the way I live, on the edge capable of doing anything. That is why I'll go bareback with a girl I just met for example, because I don't care about risks. I've quit high paying jobs and taken my savings to Vegas to gamble for example. I just living a crazy lifestyle and don't care. I've had money, been broke 5 times and I'm so young. I seem to be heading to broke again, which may be the thing that cuts this short.

I love my girl so much as she does me. But its the context that is fucked up, not her or I. She said it best a few weeks ago, that she wished she would have met me anywhere but Pattaya.

Retired Army
01-14-06, 15:03
I see all these reports about Thai girls and all the problems and complaints.

Now, if an old experience Thai hand can offer some advice to the younger members of the forum looking for a Thai girlfriend. I first came to Thailand in 1973 and immediately fell in love with the country and people and have been coming back when ever I could until finally deciding to settle down here. During this time I was married twice to Western women and had many girl friends. However, it wasn't until I met my current Thai wife that I discovered true happiness. Thai women are completely different from Western women (thank God) and that takes some getting used to.

Just remember, you can take the girl out of the bar; but, you can't take the bar out of the girl. Find yourself a nice Thai girl who isn't hanging around Patpong, Sukhumvit, Soi Cowboy, Pattaya, etc. It took me two years to finally meet someone whom I was interessted in seeing on a long term basis. It was a little difficult to get to know my girlfriend as she had heard all the stories about farangs from her friends. However, once she saw I was different and not just interested in a wam-bam-thank-you-man relationship we got down to business. The bottom line is: you just aren't going to meet a quality woman on a two week vacation. It takes time and work.

Coma Boy
01-14-06, 17:06
Havrum, whatever happened to this?
However I will be sure not to post on this board again.You don't seem to have a clue what you're doing, no wonder these women are walking all over you.

Retired Army- nice post.

The Traveler
01-14-06, 18:29
Havrum, it's not the girl nor the context which is fucked up, you are, your last post and the fact that you go bareback proves this. All this doesn't sound very smart.

I don't blame you, it's your life, do what you want but if you really love that girl take precautions and don't go bareback without knowing if you got a disease or not. She probably will not be the only one you had bareback sex with.

You say that you don't care about risks. If it would only affect you nobody would say a word, but do you really know what it means to have HIV ?
Do you really realize what you do to your family ? I guess nobody who loves you want to see you suffer.

Are you also that ignorant that you don't care if you infect that girl, which you claim to love ? What kind of love is this if you are willing to put her at risk in case you contracted HIV from another girl ?
Sure, she had the choice, but take in count that these girls often don't have much education even though she claims to have been studying at a univ. BTW, did you ask her which faculty she was studying ? If not, ask her and look how fast she will answer or if she has to think about it.

The Traveler
01-14-06, 18:39
Retired Army,

very true words.
But it also depends on the guys. Many men have wrong expectations and aren't aware what lies ahead of them.

Old Thai Hand
01-14-06, 19:51
Retired Army

Nice post with absolute words of truth.

Most guys who come here think that BG=TG. They just can't figure out the difference. The widespread availability of sex seduces them and they fall for the first "slapper" they meet because it's easy to do. But here, falling in love and marrying any girl that sleeps with you on the first "date", so-to-speak is a recipe for disaster. Simply put, because of the true nature of Thai culture and tradition, any girl who puts out easily, like a BG isn't worth having because she's obviously lost her direction somewhere. You have to understand the strong code of conduct within this culture to appreciate this. All these girls are completely screwed up within the context of the culture, its rules and what constitutes proper upbringing and behavior.
For example, the current object of my attention who I am convinced is "the One" (finally) is a good southern Thai girl, from Krabi who I know will take months of hard work to convince to be with me, let alone sleep with me. But, I figure she's worth the effort, whether I succeed or not. She is an absolute gem, what Thai women are really all about and on top of that, stunningly beautiful as only southern girls can be.
Yes, you are right. You simply can't meet a quality Thai woman on a two-week vacation.

Havrum
01-14-06, 20:49
I have bareback sex with girls I meet, like and have been with a little while, even if its only one week. I don't have bareback sex with random prostitutes or girls I meet at discos. In fact the number of girls I've had condom sex to girls I've had bareback sex with is probably 50:1, or in other words a number I could count on two hands. I was simply illustrating that I take some risks sometimes that others find unacceptable, even establishing a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship with a one-time hooker.

It is really getting sweeter and sweeter between the two of us once we got over some of the initial problems and doubts of each other. After banging so many girls night in night out, its nice to develop trust and caring for someone, even if she might not be the perfect girl (newsflash: doesn't exist anyways). Even if I met an innocent virgin, she'd probably be boring as hell and nowhere near as fun to be with as my girl.

A lot of critics of Thailand and other SE Asian nations like the Phillipines, complain about the girls being uninteresting and not much good for anything beyond sex, household chores and so forth. That is more of a stereotype than anything, and indeed in West there are just as many boring people if not more. My girl is sweet, smart, fun, sexy, and knows how to take care of her man. She is all of that and a bag of chips.

People's criticism of this whole situation seem to be targeted at either me, or at the fact that the girl was a prostitute (which, as I've described she is far from being a seasoned hardcore one). Continue as you wish, some people will always be their bitter selves, others will loathe me for their owns reasons, but I will continue to post as I'm sure there are many enjoying my postings and are interested in seeing what happens.

Sean_Double
01-14-06, 21:11
Just remember, you can take the girl out of the bar; but, you can't take the bar out of the girl.

Your post was good and I wish you success. Like you I started coming to Thailand in the early seventies and have gone through a western wife and a lot of western and Thai girlfriends since then. I got tired of the bs involved with the easy to meet bar girls and have managed to date and get involved with regular Thai girls and yeah, you're right they are totally different than western women, it takes a lot of time and effort, and you have to prove to them that you're not just after some quick pussy. The rewards can be incredibly good both physically and culturally. I've also had a few good relationships with bargirls and the requirements are the same before any trust is involved.

I'm not too sure though that as OTH states well and you imply that a bargirl is by definition bad news and irredeemingly screwed up. All these girls are not the same and the bar/ prostitution thing can mean very different things to different girls. Even if these girls are uniformly put in a low social status by Thai society they don't necessarily all value their own hooker/bargirl experience the same way. Some girls are just flat out *****s and others are reluctant participants who just want to make a little money and get back up to Issan or wherever with as many of their values intact as possible. Of the latter type I think a farang can get pretty lucky if he's willing to make the effort.

It just depends how much of the bar is in the girl in the first place.

Cheers,
Sean

The Traveler
01-14-06, 21:45
I have bareback sex with girls I meet, like and have been with a little while, even if its only one week. I don't have bareback sex with random prostitutes or girls I meet at discos. In fact the number of girls I've had condom sex to girls I've had bareback sex with is probably 50:1, or in other words a number I could count on two hands. I was simply illustrating that I take some risks sometimes that others find unacceptable, even establishing a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship with a one-time hooker.

Havrum,

that post of yours say it all. You are a guy who takes risks at other peoples costs and you are short-sided on your actions.

Your girl is no issue for me. She might be the gem you tell us about or turn out as a total nightmare. Only time will tell.

We all have a past and I often wonder that many guys see those girls as a recipe for desaster but find it ok to fuck around themselves, even if they have done more girls than any of the girls in question.

The only difference between a customer and a provider is, that a provider collects the hard earned money of the customer. So who is more smart ?
They both have sex together and I wonder why it should be bad per se to be at the receiving end. They often can choose their customers and do not have to take everybody who comes along.

Sean_Double absolutely put it the right way, it depends how much a girl is affected by her profession and this sort of environment.

Terry Terrier
01-15-06, 04:45
Retired Army

Nice post with absolute words of truth.

Most guys who come here think that BG=TG. They just can't figure out the difference. The widespread availability of sex seduces them and they fall for the first "slapper" they meet because it's easy to do. But here, falling in love and marrying any girl that sleeps with you on the first "date", so-to-speak is a recipe for disaster. Simply put, because of the true nature of Thai culture and tradition, any girl who puts out easily, like a BG isn't worth having because she's obviously lost her direction somewhere. You have to understand the strong code of conduct within this culture to appreciate this. All these girls are completely screwed up within the context of the culture, its rules and what constitutes proper upbringing and behavior.
For example, the current object of my attention who I am convinced is "the One" (finally) is a good southern Thai girl, from Krabi who I know will take months of hard work to convince to be with me, let alone sleep with me. But, I figure she's worth the effort, whether I succeed or not. She is an absolute gem, what Thai women are really all about and on top of that, stunningly beautiful as only southern girls can be.
Yes, you are right. You simply can't meet a quality Thai woman on a two-week vacation.

OTH,

You are quite right that working class Thai girls from Isaan and the other northern regions who go to work bar in the southern and capital tourist traps are frowned upon by the Thai middle and upper classes. Most of them, after the end of their prostitution careers, are unlikely to get jobs in local government and suchlike. But to suggest that they are all totally fucked-up and out of the loop of Thai society is disingenuous to say the least. You have shagged your fair share of Thai prostitutes, right, OTH? I find it hard to believe that you, living in Thailand as long as you have, have not been back to their villages and towns. And seen that they have relatively normal lives back there with only minimal issues, for the most part, over their careers working away.

Bottom line: things like mental illness, moral code of conduct, etc don't discriminate between social classes or even financial classes. Fuck-ups and nice people can be found in every nook and cranny of life's rich tapestry.

Old Thai Hand
01-15-06, 06:20
TT

Sorry, I disagree with you.

Most of these girls are looked down on in their own villages. Sure, they go home and try to lead some sort of normal life when they are there. Thais are too polite to openly be hostile even when they may strongly disapprove of someone. But, these girls are marked forever as being outside the norms of the culture and they know it. Dancing night after night naked or nearly naked, being fondled repeatedly by men and encouraging men to do so, continuous and excessive flirting, having sex with numerous partners month after month, drinking excessively, taking drugs and generally leading a somewhat fantasy life with little basis in normal reality, not to mention the easy money involved really messes them up. I wouldn't say it's mental illness as such. But, it certainly is a state of mind far removed from what normal Thai women possess. They adopt a nihilistic attitude because they know that they are lost, especially if they are in the game for any length of time. The ones that maybe are redeemed are the ones that get out quickly. I've known a few who have and they've managed to get back to some sort or normalcy. I met a girl who works as a hair-dresser in the shop in my condo. She only half-jokingly said to me, "I only worked in a bar for a short time. Now I'm a good Thai girl again."
I'm not going to presume that you have never dated a normal Thai girl. So, if you have, you will know the incredible difference in behavior and attitude between a bargirl and a normal Thai girl. Normal TGs are generally somewhat shy, conservative, reserved and demure. Excessive displays of affection, such as those practiced by BGs is just not in their repetoire. No good TG would dream of kissing in public or putting her arms around some guy, except in private. I would say that the relatively recent habit of Thais holding hands in public is a major change in the culture. I still don't feel comfortable doing it because I remember a time not long ago when it just wasn't done. As well, no TG would dress the way a BG dresses or walk the way a BG walks. BGs are marked simply by the skimpiness and sexiness of their everyday clothes and the manner in which they actually carry themselves in public. You can spot them a mile off because they differ so much in appearance from what is considered normal and polite.
I don't know what kind of exposure you have to Thais on a daily basis. But, I'm around them all the time. So, I speak with first-hand knowledge when I say that Thais condemn these women, while obviously and hypocritically (the men, I mean) using their services.
Last week, one of my students who I have become quite good friends with told me that her parents would be horrified if she ever had a Farang boyfriend because people of their generation think that any Thai woman with a Farang is automatically assumed to be a prostitute. That, in a nutshell is how a large majority of Thai people think. It's changing, of course because many younger Thais are more global and cosmopolitan in their thinking and many, especially middle and lower class Thai women want a Farang BF because of so many bad experiences with Thai men. But, in large part, even they still think the same as their parents. I even met a taxi driver who refused to pick up what were obviously 3 working girls. Last night I was going out and was standing at the taxi stop with three Thai women near soi 22, where I live. They were their first. So, I motioned the taxi to pick them up. They spoke to him and then called me over and said, "He'll take a Farang, but not Thai." He told me after I got in that they were "lady no good" and he would not take them. Admittedly, this is unusual. I've never seen a taxi openly refuse to take a girl for this reason. But, I've certainly heard many taxi drivers make comments about "bad Thai ladies".
Is it hypocrisy? Sure it is. The Thai economy would collapse without prostitution. And, it's Thai men who make up the lion's share of the customers. But, the issue is still how these women are perceived overall within the culture and what this atypical lifestyle does to them emotionally, not to mention physically.

As to your comment about my shagging my "fair share of Thai prostitutes"...When I was first here, I did what most Farang do and went to the bars a lot because it was easy. So, I suppose I shagged a fair number in the past. I still go occasionally, but not that much because I don't feel comfortable doing so, I don't find the girls attractive and most of all, I simply don't need to. I personally don't condemn these girls and pity many of them. If I go to the bars, I like to sit and try to talk to them, sometimes and attempt to have some sort of normal conversation outside of: "What's your name? Where you come from? You come Thailand holiday?". However, most of them don't have a lot to say. Their lives are pretty narrow, their experiences revolve around the men they've known and so, most of what they talk about is concerning the many wierd Farang guys they've shagged. I've heard many strange and mostly sad stories.
But, generally I don't go to the bars much because if it was ever known that I went by anyone where I work, it wouldn't be viewed in a positive way, I'd lose the respect of my colleagues and students and it would just reinforce the stereotype of the Farang and bargirl.
Thinking as you seem to do that these girls are not outside the loop of Thai society is just not true. They are certainly outside what is deemed normal and proper within the culture. However, I suppose one could say that because such a large segment of Thai society is involved in prostitution, ( an estimated 300,000 prostitutes in BKK and over 2,000,000 nationwide) they form a component of that society and culture, just not an acceptable one.

ThaiVisitor
01-15-06, 07:00
TT

Sorry, I disagree with you.

Most of these girls are looked down on in their own villages. Sure, they go home and try to lead some sort of normal life when they are there. Thais are too polite to openly be hostile even when they may strongly disapprove of someone. But, these girls are marked forever as being outside the norms of the culture and they know it. Dancing night after night naked or nearly naked, being fondled repeatedly by men and encouraging men to do so, continuous and excessive flirting, having sex with numerous partners month after month, drinking excessively, taking drugs and generally leading a somewhat fantasy life with little basis in normal reality, not to mention the easy money involved really messes them up. I wouldn't say it's mental illness as such. But, it certainly is a state of mind far removed from what normal Thai women possess. They adopt a nihilistic attitude because they know that they are lost, especially if they are in the game for any length of time. The ones that maybe are redeemed are the ones that get out quickly. I've known a few who have and they've managed to get back to some sort or normalcy. I met a girl who works as a hair-dresser in the shop in my condo. She only half-jokingly said to me, "I only worked in a bar for a short time. Now I'm a good Thai girl again."

I'm not going to presume that you have never dated a normal Thai girl. So, if you have, you will know the incredible difference in behavior and attitude between a bargirl and a normal Thai girl. Normal TGs are generally somewhat shy, conservative, reserved and demure. Excessive displays of affection, such as those practiced by BGs is just not in their repetoire. No good TG would dream of kissing in public or putting her arms around some guy, except in private. I would say that the relatively recent habit of Thais holding hands in public is a major change in the culture. I still don't feel comfortable doing it because I remember a time not long ago when it just wasn't done. As well, no TG would dress the way a BG dresses or walk the way a BG walks. BGs are marked simply by the skimpiness and sexiness of their everyday clothes and the manner in which they actually carry themselves in public. You can spot them a mile off because they differ so much in appearance from what is considered normal and polite.
I don't know what kind of exposure you have to Thais on a daily basis. But, I'm around them all the time. So, I speak with first-hand knowledge when I say that Thais condemn these women, while obviously and hypocritically (the men, I mean) using their services.

OTH, I'm a newbie here in this forum but I like to add my 2 baht worth.

I'm not begging to differ as it only a differences of opinions and experiences.

As you rightfully put, the kind of exposure you have to Thais daily will determined your opinions on them. Just as you are around them all the time, you have the chance to speak to them and understand their points of view although whether they are actually telling you the truth is another matter altogether.

I too know a lot of Thais, those working in the sex industry, those not working in the sex industry, the lower class, the middle class, and also the Hi So. We'll talk about those working in the sex industry since the topic is on them.

In my past 20 over years associating with Working Ladies(WL), visiting not only the Cities but also the villages, I have not seen a single case of a WL being looked down in their villages, not to say that there aren't.

Much as Thais are too polite to openly be hostile, their genuity towards each other cannot be denied and is very apparent. WLs are more often than not, envied (not in a negative sense) by the others in their villages. With their better houses, more land, etc, you could even say they are being respected by others for being able to sacrifice themselves to bring their families slightly above the poverty level. Many families who have daughters out to the cities to work, will have a bigger protrait of the daughter in the living room of the house. No one hides or is ashame of that fact too.

In addition, when a WL stops their work, or even when those still working but back on home visits, rest assured they do not dressed like what they dressed in the cities. For that matter, they dressed in conformity to what the village dress code is like. You do not see girls wearing extremely mini skirts or hot pants that shows the butt cracks in the villages, or any revealing clothes. The only differences would be the amount of gold they will have on them.

I would say it is not the culture of Thais to dress skimpily or sexily or behave in ways and manners that will will make other frown on them in the city but as I've said, they are good conformists. And as such, they do that (actually to their dislike) because of the environment that they are in, thinking its the ways of the WLs, it'll attract the "Than charts", not only farangs, etc, etc. How many of these girls still dressed this way after they are happily married (believe you me, there are those who are happily married too)?

But what do I know? I'm only basing on my own experiences and wouldn't dare say that what I experienced represent the norm of what's happening in LOS.

Like I said, its my 2 baht worth.

Cheers
Tee Vee

Sean_Double
01-15-06, 08:02
TT


But, generally I don't go to the bars much because if it was ever known that I went by anyone where I work, it wouldn't be viewed in a positive way, I'd lose the respect of my colleagues and students and it would just reinforce the stereotype of the Farang and bargirl.

OTH,
With all due respect to your knowledge and sensitivities to Thai prejudices; we aren't all in the same boat. Your own circumstances preclude you from dating a less than "acceptable" Thai women. If I was an English Professor at a Thai university I might be cowed into the same line.
Wait about twenty years, get a job that you are in control of and then revisit your thoughts on how much it matters to conform to the local Thai lexicon of prejudices, then start feeling secure in giving advice.
Most of the stereotypes in Thailand seem to play out their roles to the end; I could be wrong, but the English Professors don't do too well either do they?
Your posts are very good and I enjoy reading them, but quit kissing ass and being so priggish.

Beer and a Good Football Game,
Sean

The Traveler
01-15-06, 10:40
***********,

during my 20+yrs travelling/living in LOS I have observed the very same things you just described, so I can confirm everything you said.

The Traveler
01-15-06, 11:33
OTH,

with all due respect, but I think that you got too much affected by the prejudices that exist in Thai society.



...Thais are too polite to openly be hostile even when they may strongly disapprove of someone....
Generally true, but even if they aren't openly hostile, some like to poke at the girls, maybe because they disapprove of their profession or because they are jealous if the girls gained some relative wealth by it.



...But, these girls are marked forever as being outside the norms of the culture and they know it. Dancing night after night naked or nearly naked, being fondled repeatedly by men and encouraging men to do so, continuous and excessive flirting, having sex with numerous partners month after month, drinking excessively, taking drugs and generally leading a somewhat fantasy life with little basis in normal reality, not to mention the easy money involved really messes them up. I wouldn't say it's mental illness as such. But, it certainly is a state of mind far removed from what normal Thai women possess. They adopt a nihilistic attitude because they know that they are lost, especially if they are in the game for any length of time. The ones that maybe are redeemed are the ones that get out quickly...
Sorry, but not all act like sluts and some are still shy, not all drink or smoke and of course not all take drugs. Again just a generalisation.
Furthermore it's not easy earned money or why do you think some of them in fact want to get drunk or do drugs ?
I agree that the amount of time spend in that profession plays some role, but I disagree that there is no way turning back as soon as they have found someone who takes good care of them and who they do trust. Their nihilistic attitude is often a result of being cheated many times but can be reversed in many cases, of course not all. They are also not "marked" for the rest of their lifes. Prostitutes don't get a stigma or tattoo at their forehead. I bet that you can't tell which girl is a prostitute and which isn't if you go to a market at any given village.



...I've known a few who have and they've managed to get back to some sort or normalcy. I met a girl who works as a hair-dresser in the shop in my condo. She only half-jokingly said to me, "I only worked in a bar for a short time. Now I'm a good Thai girl again."
Which just confirms what I said above.



I'm not going to presume that you have never dated a normal Thai girl. So, if you have, you will know the incredible difference in behavior and attitude between a bargirl and a normal Thai girl. Normal TGs are generally somewhat shy, conservative, reserved and demure. Excessive displays of affection, such as those practiced by BGs is just not in their repetoire. No good TG would dream of kissing in public or putting her arms around some guy, except in private. I would say that the relatively recent habit of Thais holding hands in public is a major change in the culture. I still don't feel comfortable doing it because I remember a time not long ago when it just wasn't done. As well, no TG would dress the way a BG dresses or walk the way a BG walks. BGs are marked simply by the skimpiness and sexiness of their everyday clothes and the manner in which they actually carry themselves in public. You can spot them a mile off because they differ so much in appearance from what is considered normal and polite.
Correct, they dress and act like that because they believe it might attract and keep customers or because the bar owners force them to do so believing it too. But if you have ever observed them out of their "business area", you would know that they dress and act like "normal" Thais, just like *********** said. I once had a GF who smoked (cigarettes and ... :)), not much but she used to smoke. But when we went to her home she didn't dare to even come close to a cigarette. Also never saw any girl kissing and grabbing a farang when they move out of the tourist areas. Maybe you got stuck in the wrong places. If not, maybe you haven't recognized them which disproves your statement.



I don't know what kind of exposure you have to Thais on a daily basis. But, I'm around them all the time. So, I speak with first-hand knowledge when I say that Thais condemn these women, while obviously and hypocritically (the men, I mean) using their services.
Last week, one of my students who I have become quite good friends with told me that her parents would be horrified if she ever had a Farang boyfriend because people of their generation think that any Thai woman with a Farang is automatically assumed to be a prostitute. That, in a nutshell is how a large majority of Thai people think. It's changing, of course because many younger Thais are more global and cosmopolitan in their thinking and many, especially middle and lower class Thai women want a Farang BF because of so many bad experiences with Thai men. But, in large part, even they still think the same as their parents.
Yes, Thais think like that but what does it prove ? Nothing, but that they have prejudices. Someone isn't necessarily a bad or fucked up person just because others might think so, only judging based on the profession but not knowing them in person, their character, attitude and so on.



As to your comment about my shagging my "fair share of Thai prostitutes"...When I was first here, I did what most Farang do and went to the bars a lot because it was easy. So, I suppose I shagged a fair number in the past. I still go occasionally, but not that much because I don't feel comfortable doing so, I don't find the girls attractive and most of all, I simply don't need to. I personally don't condemn these girls and pity many of them. If I go to the bars, I like to sit and try to talk to them, sometimes and attempt to have some sort of normal conversation outside of: "What's your name? Where you come from? You come Thailand holiday?". However, most of them don't have a lot to say. Their lives are pretty narrow, their experiences revolve around the men they've known and so, most of what they talk about is concerning the many wierd Farang guys they've shagged. I've heard many strange and mostly sad stories.
But, generally I don't go to the bars much because if it was ever known that I went by anyone where I work, it wouldn't be viewed in a positive way, I'd lose the respect of my colleagues and students and it would just reinforce the stereotype of the Farang and bargirl.
Guess why they couldn't get a proper well paid job in the first place ?
Their lifes might be narrow and they might not be well educated but that doesn't make them bad or fucked up persons. Their parents were poor and couldn't afford to finance a good education for them. So Thai society should ask why so many Isaan families move in an endless cycle of poverty instead of blaming them for looking for a way out of it or just trying to pay back some debt. Guess what would happen if they all would choose to earn their money by committing crimes rather than working for it.



Thinking as you seem to do that these girls are not outside the loop of Thai society is just not true. They are certainly outside what is deemed normal and proper within the culture. However, I suppose one could say that because such a large segment of Thai society is involved in prostitution, ( an estimated 300,000 prostitutes in BKK and over 2,000,000 nationwide) they form a component of that society and culture, just not an acceptable one.
Why not acceptable and to who ?
Remember, many politicians, who easily fit your picture of a well accepted, well educated "normal" HiSo Thai, got caught using the services of the very same girls they condemn. I call it double standards and not an honest approach.

ThaiVisitor
01-15-06, 11:54
OTH,

Last week, one of my students who I have become quite good friends with told me that her parents would be horrified if she ever had a Farang boyfriend because people of their generation think that any Thai woman with a Farang is automatically assumed to be a prostitute. That, in a nutshell is how a large majority of Thai people think. It's changing, of course because many younger Thais are more global and cosmopolitan in their thinking and many, especially middle and lower class Thai women want a Farang BF because of so many bad experiences with Thai men. But, in large part, even they still think the same as their parents.
Yes, Thais think like that but what does it prove ? Nothing, but that they have prejudices. Someone isn't necessarily a bad or fucked up person just because others might think so, only judging based on the profession but not knowing them in person, their character, attitude and so on.

Allow me to add further.

Sometimes, things aren't what they appear to be at the surface. Thai girls do know how to make a guy happy with words and actions. I'm not saying it is, in this case but could it have been the student is trying to impress her teacher friend of the risks she's willing to take to be with him? Some "sweet" talks?

I mean, I have girls telling me that they prefer guys like me than the good looking guys knowing that I'm not a good looking guy, probably trying to impress me with their "sincerity"?

Unless the girl is a Thai Chinese where the older generations still prevent their daughters from marrying out of their race, it is hard to believe any Bangkokians would be so naive to disallowed their daughters to date a farang just because their daughters might appear to look like a hooker. It would also be very naive of us to believe that.

My 2 cents worth

Cheers
Tee Vee

Retired Army
01-15-06, 14:38
I'm not too sure though that as OTH states well and you imply that a bargirl is by definition bad news and irredeemingly screwed up. All these girls are not the same and the bar/ prostitution thing can mean very different things to different girls. Even if these girls are uniformly put in a low social status by Thai society they don't necessarily all value their own hooker/bargirl experience the same way. Some girls are just flat out *****s and others are reluctant participants who just want to make a little money and get back up to Issan or wherever with as many of their values intact as possible. Of the latter type I think a farang can get pretty lucky if he's willing to make the effort.

It just depends how much of the bar is in the girl in the first place.

Cheers,

SeanYou have a valid point. I am obviously referring to the kind of girls that a tourist on a two week escursion is likely to meet in the Soi 7 Beer Garden or Bamboo Club. I know nice girls, who are not hookers, that can be found around the tourist areas who are looking for farang boyfriends. They are the ones who are fed-up with Thai men and know that a Farang is likely to treat them better and have more to offer.

Old Thai Hand
01-15-06, 14:45
Most of the stereotypes in Thailand seem to play out their roles to the end; I could be wrong, but the English Professors don't do too well either do they?

Sean
You're right. "English Professors don't do too well either." They are often looked down on in this country. But, as I've stated several times before, I'm not a lowly English professor. I don't teach English at all. I'm a senior professor in a highly skilled and demanding discipline and thus, garner great respect from Thais and in actual fact, don't really need to kiss ass at all. They need me more than I need them. I choose to act as I act out of respect for the prevailing beliefs, because I think it's appropriate to my position within Thai society, even if I don't subscribe to those beliefs.
However, as I have stated before, I probably have been a little co-opted by Thai society as have many Farang that I know. But, I think prejudice isn't especially unique to Thailand. It exists everywhere I've ever been. I don't like the many Thai prejudices, and was merely reporting what I have heard and observed.

TeeVee
The student in question is in fact Thai-Chinese and was expressing her parents' and the over-riding Thai-Chinese prejudice. She was hardly trying to impress me because I in fact took her to task about how narrow her parents thinking was and used several examples, including other students she knows who are dating either Farang students or teachers at our university to disprove this stupid idea. I also included myself. I asked her if she thought that my GF was a hooker simply because she was dating me. Her response after I was finished was that perhaps it was the job of her generation to adopt a new attitude and broaden the minds of their parents and the culture at large.

Traveler
I accept a lot of what you say. Everyone has different experiences. However, for example, I have seen plenty of Thai BGs act and dress inappropriately outside the entertainment venues. But, it is true that they don't do so when they are home.

I'm not going to address each point that everyone made and try to counter it and justify what I said because I could be wrong according to each person's own experiences.

The comment about these girls being looked down upon by their villages has been told to me time and again by various girls. But, maybe many others have had the opposite experience of being envied as has been stated because they have improved the lot and therefore status of their families within the community. That certainly seems logical to me given the importance of status and material wealth in the culture.

One thing I would like to address is the oft-made comment about the poverty that forces these girls into the business in the first place and their lack of access to a proper education. I think that in a significant number of cases this is probably true, but is tied more to their parents' belief that children should take care of the parents; a belief which actually overrides the importance of education. I have a good friend who is a student whose mother is sick and wants her to quit school and come home to take care of her. In this case, it has nothing to do with economics but the children's family duty. She told me that it is a common belief among country people of her mother's generation that children's education and future is considered far less important than taking care of the family, now. It is because there was a time that education was beyond the reach of many of Thailand's poor of her mother's generation. So, they don't see it's importance. But, education is not in fact out of reach as it once was. There are many programs now, scholarships and government loans that any Thai can get. So the prevailing attitude about education has more to do with the upcountry mindset that as soon as the child is old enough, they should work to help support the family. It fits the Thai mentality, especially upcountry of the "Now" without any longterm thinking about the future. They really do just think day-to-day because this is the traditional survival experience and method for most of the older generation.
However, I also think (I'm certainly going to get flamed for this!!) that a significant reason that many Isaan girls go into the business is also out of sheer laziness. Many quit school by choice at the end of Mor 3 when compulsory education ends. They don't have to do so because of poverty, anymore, so much as because of the aforementioned attitude of their parents and their own inherent laziness to continue school. I'm probably spouting another Thai prejudice here. But, the prevailing belief in Thailand is that Isaan people are lazy and irresponsible, especially the men and that Isaan girls are prone to quitting school as soon as possible and getting knocked up in their teens by these guys and/or going to work as hookers. Obviously, this isn't true as there are certainly more Isaan women not working in bars than those who are. But, I do believe that a significant number are in the business by choice because of the easy money and the easy work, not because they don't have any other options.
Of course I realize when given a choice of coming to Bangkok and slaving in a factory for 3,000-4,000/month or on a construction site for 150 baht/day compared to the 40,000 or more they can make screwing men, these uneducated girls obviously go for the maximum economic return for the least amount of work. Maybe any of us given such a choice would go for the money regardless of the consequences. But, in doing so, these women sacrifice a lot. I've met lots of other Isaan women who choose to work in factories or any number of jobs for low wages rather than become bargirls, simply because they think the personal cost is too high and they are still traditional enough to value their honor within the society above quick money. They are shocked at even the notion of doing such a thing as working in a bar, even for that kind of money.

At the end of the day though, it is true that Thais are to blame for all of this because of the way they think regarding status, wealth, materialism and quick fixes to deep rooted problems and the main trait of never thinking about the future.

Retired Army
01-15-06, 15:03
This has been a very informative discussion about regular Thai girls vs. bar girls.

From reading the threads it seems that everyone has had their own experiences, some good and some bad. I will admit that I am not as knowledgable about the girls from small villages as some of the others. My wife is from a larger city and her father was a highly educated man who had many farang friends and encouraged her to do the same. My knowledge of small Thai villages is from the early 70's outside an Army base in Northeastern Thailand. Now, talk about culture clashes! We probably did more to screw up this country than anyone. However, I will admit that the Thai's were eager learners.

From my experiences I have found that Thai prostitutes fall into several categories:

Economic; to support their family or obtain a better life for themselves.

Social; their friends are in the scene and they get sucked into it also.

Family; born of a mother in the business and grows up in that lifestyle.

Habitual; to support bad habits such as drinking or drugs.

And my personal favorite:

It's easier than picking rice. My personal observation is that many Thai girls are basically lazy and the sex scene offers them an alternative to the rural life of getting up before dawn, working in the fields all day and going to bed when the sun goes down.

I am sure there are many more reasons, but this is all my coffee saturated mind can come up with right now.

The Traveler
01-15-06, 15:43
OTH,

I go along with what you just said.
Everybody might have a different reason for working into this kind of profession. That's the reason why I avoid generalisations and prejudices and only "judge" them (are we in any position to "judge" them ? What would we do at their position ?) on a person by person basis.

Joe Zop
01-18-06, 23:23
Just a note on the point of poverty versus choice -- there was a study done several years ago (I think I posted a link to it at the time) that interviewed sex workers in great depth about their choices, and overwhelmingly the women said they did it because of the possibility of a larger income than they would otherwise hope to get. Family pressures and the need to provide for parents or children were cited in some cases, but the underlying aspect was that this was intentional and not forced. Most also said they did not need or want to be "rescued" from sex work as they liked and wanted to continue to make that kind of money.

The Traveler
01-18-06, 23:52
Joe Zop,

some also enter the business because they believe - maybe because they have seen it happen to friends and/or relatives - that they can get a farang husband that way, someone who cares about them and doesn't get drunk or kick their asses too often. You often hear - maybe just to charme you - that they don't like Thai men due to their bad attitude and habits.

1Ball
01-22-06, 12:33
I guess this might be more a rhetorical question, or a statement, rather than a question.
How do these girls do it?
I was in BKK overnight a few days ago, and still marvel at the outward attitude of these girls. Laughing, giggling, seemingly having the time of their livesÖÖ I went for a swim at the hotel pool, there was a (what does Coma call these guys? Jabba? ) 150 kg man splashing about with his hired help. There she is, bouncing on his 54 inch belly, in the shallow end, laughing hysterically, caressing, cajoling, pretending this guy is Don Quixote, and she is the luckiest girl in the world. Then as I walk around, I see dozens of them hanging on every breath of the customers.
Hey, Iíve been there, and wondered this many times, as I am telling a stupid joke to a TG, and marveled at her feigned interest. I just donít know how they keep it up (no pun intended) night after night after night. I could never do it. Could you ?

Just an observationÖÖÖ

Retired Army
01-22-06, 17:05
I guess this might be more a rhetorical question, or a statement, rather than a question.
How do these girls do it?
I was in BKK overnight a few days ago, and still marvel at the outward attitude of these girls. Laughing, giggling, seemingly having the time of their livesÖÖ I went for a swim at the hotel pool, there was a (what does Coma call these guys? Jabba? ) 150 kg man splashing about with his hired help. There she is, bouncing on his 54 inch belly, in the shallow end, laughing hysterically, caressing, cajoling, pretending this guy is Don Quixote, and she is the luckiest girl in the world. Then as I walk around, I see dozens of them hanging on every breath of the customers.
Hey, Iíve been there, and wondered this many times, as I am telling a stupid joke to a TG, and marveled at her feigned interest. I just donít know how they keep it up (no pun intended) night after night after night. I could never do it. Could you ?

Just an observationÖÖÖ

It depends on how badly you need money.

Most of these girls don't see us as anything other than walking ATM machines. My girlfriend says these "career girls" are just like doctors or lawyers. It's just a job and after a while you get use to it and it's all automatic. One client or patient is, in the end, no different than any other.

Globotto
01-22-06, 22:38
What you want to find is a girl that bangs1 guy a day
In which case she gives the session her 100% not 50% because
she is thinking of the energy for the next trick or tired from the last trick.
I have found that when a hooker says it hurts it most likely because she has been banging to many other guys and hell thats not my liability.
Option 2 is that she has an active case of herpes which may call for an
inspection.

Member #3409
01-23-06, 07:59
Joe Zop,

some also enter the business because they believe - maybe because they have seen it happen to friends and/or relatives - that they can get a farang husband that way, someone who cares about them and doesn't get drunk or kick their asses too often. You often hear - maybe just to charme you - that they don't like Thai men due to their bad attitude and habits.The bird that I see when I am in town reckoned she got into the business for that very reason. She told me (and how much you can belive is debatable but I belive her) that as the oldest she had to look after her mother and her younger brother and sister from when she was 15. She did that working in resturants and shops in Bangkok. When the youngest finished school this year she was no longer responsible for them (but still mum) and decided it was time to get someone to look after her, she is now 26. Shes gone back to school and on advice of her younger sister who worked in a bar started bar work to meet a good farang guy. Maybe she has me lined up, I don't know but could probably do a hell of a lot worse in this world.

Thaid Up
01-23-06, 08:37
It depends on how badly you need money.

Most of these girls don't see us as anything other than walking ATM machines. My girlfriend says these "career girls" are just like doctors or lawyers. It's just a job and after a while you get use to it and it's all automatic. One client or patient is, in the end, no different than any other.Yes this is true. Reminds me of the cartoon with the wolf and the sheep dog who exchange greetings before they clock in then proceed to fight until they clock out. Nothing better to prove this point is to observe the girls as they end their work at the G-clubs such as Soprano and Caribbean most will not give the guys the time of day and are in a hurry to go home or where ever as they leave for the evening at the end of their shift.

I find this attitude amazing as these customers may have dropped a small fortune buying drinks for this girl, fifteen minutes ago and while the customer is waiting for a taxi the girl comes out and has to pass his way. Many do not even acknowledge the guys presence and even offer a polite.."Good bye have a night evening"

The guys who repeatedly visit these places dropping wads of cash thinking that something is going to come of it are only fooling themselves when the girl really thinks "SUCKER"

What is more amazing is that most of these girls are getting sponsored to the tune of >100K THB and up.

JuiceSpike
01-23-06, 15:52
Would it fair to say that many girls just love to fuck a lot of guys?

I have run into a few of them (is it just me?) and they say they like to have "fun" and make money at it. These are my types of girls as they not only have a good time but fuck like a rabbit... Like me. :p

juices

Borg Killa
01-23-06, 16:27
There is something about the Thai woman that leaves a man in awe and wanting more.. could it be their beauty ? their charm ? I dont know , but for me whether they are WL, Hi So, or your regular office girl. Something about them just makes my legs feel lke jello and my head spinning.

LOL ! dont laugh ! .. I know somewhere along the way everyone of you gents have had a similar feeling .

I have been with other asian ladies from different nations but nothing compares to the Thai women

So for me I just love these lovely ladies of Thailand.

Cheers,

Borgkilla

Seydlitz
01-23-06, 17:28
I guess this might be more a rhetorical question, or a statement, rather than a question.
How do these girls do it?


It is my constant amazement to see these sweet things going about with their lives day after day. The fact that they are able to be so nice with us while being in that line of trade is a tribute to the wonderful nature of the Thai womanfolk.

They seem to have a different outlook to life than we have. They are less worried about the future and are more coincerned about the time just now. If they are in a nice place with a decent man, being fed and making money, they are quite content. Having sex with the guy is part of the experience. Sometimes they don't enjoy it at all, but sometimes they do and they have a blast.

Many of our Thai hired sweethearts are not difficult to please. They give us a great deal, for relatively very little money. Let's hope we can keep them that way.

1Ball
01-23-06, 23:58
Sometimes they don't enjoy it at all, but sometimes they do and they have a blast.

Exactly, Seidlitz. I guess my point was, even though it is sometimes obvious they could not possibly be enjoying themselves, they still outwardly, portray a sense of having the time of their lives. That is the constant source of amazement, to me !

WayneKing
01-24-06, 05:44
Also guys remember that it is a highly competative market out there...these little cuties want to keep their ATM's so they will try hard to satisfy them for a few days. The 3 F's, as Samus puts it, is a real threat to their income. Once they hook-up with a reasonable guy they are sorted for a few days and they can relax. These girls love a bit of 5* lux...decent food....shopping in the Emporium.
If they behave like bitches it is back to square one!!
Wayne

Seydlitz
01-24-06, 14:38
Once they hook-up with a reasonable guy they are sorted for a few days and they can relax. These girls love a bit of 5* lux...decent food....shopping in the Emporium.
If they behave like bitches it is back to square one!!
Wayne

True, but that same logic should apply even more to our Farang wives and girlfriends. And we all know that the certainty of a comfortable lifestyle with us is not enough to keep them from behaving like bitches, as you aptly said.

There is something in the behaviour of Thai women that is not exclusively rational, something that has to do with their fundamentally good nature. And something that is seldom found in Farang women.

Seydlitz
01-24-06, 14:44
even though it is sometimes obvious they could not possibly be enjoying themselves, they still outwardly, portray a sense of having the time of their lives.

It is true that many are good actresses, but I am convinced the burden on them is not quite as heavy as we believe it is.

They do not see things the way we do. To them, a man's good looks are not that essential. You can be ugly as sin, as long as you dress and behave properly, smell good and are reasonably good humored.

There is also the fatalistic outlook they have. Since they are with you for whatever reason, they'd better try and enjoy the moment as much as they possibly can.

1Ball
01-24-06, 14:55
Seidlitz, you make a good point.
I am not a Thai hooker, (even though Coma has told me many times he wishes I were), so it still amazes me they are able to pull it off.

All the better for us, I say.

JuiceSpike
01-24-06, 17:55
So, does anybody in here agrees that many girls just love to fuck a lot of guys? For money...

juices

Freeler
01-24-06, 18:42
Seydlitz,

You wrote:
"They do not see things the way we do. To them, a man's good looks are not that essential. You can be ugly as sin, as long as you dress and behave properly, smell good and are reasonably good humored."

They have the same problem with us as we have with them: We are new, that makes us beautiful.
Nice clothes are a recognizable feature, so is good smell, so that helps.
Even a FAT belly is good for you as it expresses wealth.

After a while we realize that we've been fucking uglies*. So do they...:(. and then they want more pay:).
Not from me of course. They all know the magic words: Song Loi Baht:D!

*Remember Newbie Havrum who saw cuties wall to wall on Sukhumvit...:).

Dinghy
01-25-06, 05:34
Free - KEE NIEUW! (sticky shit - means "cheap charlie") huh? pom gor - ( means "me too")

actually, there are some (for some unexplained reason) that like a particular farang and don't CARE about money. might it be the tongue? - or just the taste (smell, whatever).

Coma Boy
01-25-06, 06:46
pom gor - ( means "me too")No, it doesn't.

Sean_Double
01-25-06, 16:30
No, it doesn't.

CB,
I don't speak Thai as well as you do, but I've been under the impression that "pom gor" ผมก็ does mean: me too, I as well... or something along that line.

Is there some colloquial meaning that I don't know? or do you mean that pom gor is just an inclusionary indicator and must be followed by a verb to have any meaning.

Okay, I know this is a sex site and not a language class.

Cheers,
Sean

Coma Boy
01-26-06, 06:22
or do you mean that pom gor is just an inclusionary indicator and must be followed by a verb to have any meaning?Not sure what an "inclusionary indicator" is, but yes, I think you're on the right track.

EG: ผมก็ชอบสูบกัญชาเหมือนกัน

JuiceSpike
01-26-06, 15:18
I got this from stickman. A must read for the suckers sending money. I think she might be exagerating a bit but she wins anyways:

..."Were you in Bangkok last week visiting your Thai wife? I just hope you weren't one of the three guys who is supporting a girl in one of the Nana Plaza outdoor bars. Yes, that's right, she has three husbands, who between them send her 200,000 baht a week. She isn't the prettiest or youngest (she is putting her two children through university) but she has a great figure and speaks perfect English. Her worst nightmare occurred last week with a triple overlap, all three husbands in town and all with keys to her apartment. After some frantic lock-changing, she managed to keep them apart. Just shows you how much these girls can earn, and she doesn't even dance. Why does she work with so much money coming in? Because she is always on the lookout for husband number four...."

---------
She is a smart business woman. Good for her.

juices

The Traveler
01-26-06, 23:17
Juice,

exagerating a bit ?
200.000 Baht/week sounds more like a fantasy story than one from real life.

But I have once witnessed - about 15yrs ago - a similar story. The girl was a freelancer and one day two of her boyfriends, who kept sending her money, came down the same street from opposite directions. She couldn't do anything to avoid them seeing her, so she went to the ladies bathroom and stayed there for hours until her boyfriends had left the scene. She didn't even dared to go back to her room and finally ended up in mine :D

Sending money to a girl that stays in Pattaya, Bangkok or any other tourist place is wasted money. And even if she moves upcountry there is still the risk that she might have a Thai boyfriend or even husband.

If anyone really wants to send some money, request her to stay home upcountry. Call her at her mobile at random, listen to noises in the background (can you hear a tractor, ducks, chicken, dogs or cars, motorbikes, music ... ?) . Do never accept her switching off the phone Ask for a local phone number with an area code and again call her at random to determine if she is really staying upcountry. Be prepared to get fooled so don't think with your dick. Don't agree to send unneccessary high amounts, Keep in mind that 10.000 baht / month are close to an average salary for a regular office job.

Mulkvist
01-27-06, 01:55
200 OOO Baht/Week unbelieveable

Nearly 10 years ago I know girl who gets 120 USD every day from her sugar daddy who stay in Pattaya. But the girl was hot looking. 120 USD was about 3000 baht at that time and normal price was about 500 baht for long time.

I was in Pattaya last september and I meet Nuuch who has a taiwanese sugar daddy. She works in sabai dee body massage before but now she gets everything she wants from his sugar daddy. Last year she bought car and apartment from Pattaya. She lives with her brother alias thai boyfriend in that apartment and I guess that taiwanese dude knows nothing. My thai girl friend goes to school in Bangkok and I stay alone in Pattaya so I call Nuuch and ask she come to my hotel. To my suprise she comes with car and brother and we go to thai disco in Naklua.

Nuuch tell me that he is my brother but of course everybody knows that he was Nuuchs thai boyfriend but we never talk about it. Lying is in their blood. Well after disco we take her brother alias boyfriend back to apartment and go back to my room and have a hot session. Nuuch never asks money from me but of course I pay the bill at disco about 2000 baht.

Amazing Thailand

Havrum
01-27-06, 04:56
I read that the second greatest motivation for girls to enter prostitution in Thailand is sexual desire, second of course to money. So yes Juice Spike, most of these girls like sex a lot and its partly what makes Thailand such a great place to monger. It varies from girl to girl of course and there are those that do not enjoy it at all.

Anyway I found out her all of her secrets in time. That she really didn't go see her family but stayed in Pattaya working and fucking guys while I was gone. I met one young, well built stud at a disco who had her picture in his cellphone and had seen her 4 days while I was gone, during the time which she would hardly answer my phone calls. He was paying her 2,000 Baht every night and apparently that was her going rate, 1500 baht minimum, 2,000 baht normally. She is high priced pussy. This was the guy she was going to go see in the middle of the night when I first got back and I blew my lid off.

On her behalf she wasn't really being decietful to me. She implicitly said that she had to go back to work and she needed money many times and she was not interested in me helping her out (she actually thought I was a poor backpacker, which I am more or less). She never said words like I love you, instead said things like the opposite on the phone like I dont miss you much. She was honest to her true feelings. Obviously she felt no need to be overly decietful given that I was not a paying customer.

I pulled the wool over my eyes and should have appreciated the relationship for what it was, a great free fuck whenever I want with a girl I like, instead of trying to make it all serious. However I'm still seeing her every night and enjoying every moment of it. She seems more serious about me and intimate than ever but I don't care about that, I just want to sleep with her, as she does with me. She says she wants to change and be with me, perhaps she is starting to do just that as she is going to sleep at 1 AM instead of 6 AM and is going to school. However I have no need or desire for a long term relationship with her anymore, indeed I'll probably have to leave Thailand in a few weeks. I'd just rather have her in the sack than anyone else. Whatever she does outside of my presence is not my concern. I left her on several occasions over the past couple of weeks, angry with what had happened, but she desperately came back to me both times.

My mistake in the whole relationship was when I messed up her overseas boyfriends who were sending her money. She said she did not have to work then because they were sending her so much, but when she stopped that on my behalf and I did not give her any money to make up for some of the shortfall, her attititude started to harden towards me gradually, leading up to where she almost ditched me in Bangkok.

My story is like the other side of the coin for these girls. Sometimes they meet a man they genuinely do like, whether a Thai man, a young attractive farang man, or a middle age, farang with a great personality, both charming and entertaining. Money has nothing to do with the relationship and may even be completely out of the equation such as myself (actually I was negative equity for his girl), but they value the companionship of course. Prostitutes are humans just like everyone else. But their need for money and desire of the prostitute lifestyle (including, perhaps, fucking a lot of men) leeds them into conflict with such people unless they are completely understanding of the girl and granting her complete freedom. As long as she is not making any demands on you, especially in the money department, there is no need for you to make demands on her and you can just enjoy her company and body.

Retired Army
01-27-06, 06:33
My Thai girlfriend has an internet shop and does translation. I have helped in her shop on several occasions and have seen some of the games these girls play.

I have suggested a form letter for them to saver time:

Dear _________

I miss you so much now that your have returned to ___________

I am sorry to have to tell you that (mother sick) (father sick) (need rent money) (need money for school).

Please send to my bank account ____________

I can't wait until we can be together again in ___________

Love,

Noi, Ying, Lek, Pui __________

Some girls have three or four guys supporting them this way. And they are always on the look out for new "donors."

Sean_Double
01-27-06, 06:38
I read that the second greatest motivation for girls to enter prostitution in Thailand is sexual desire, second of course to money. So yes Juice Spike, most of these girls like sex a lot and its partly what makes Thailand such a great place to monger. It varies from girl to girl of course and there are those that do not enjoy it at all.

Anyway I found out her all of her secrets in time. That she really didn't go see her family but stayed in Pattaya working and fucking guys while I was gone. I met one young, well built stud at a disco who had her picture in his cellphone and had seen her 4 days while I was gone, during the time which she would hardly answer my phone calls. He was paying her 2,000 Baht every night and apparently that was her going rate, 1500 baht minimum, 2,000 baht normally. She is high priced pussy. This was the guy she was going to go see in the middle of the night when I first got back and I blew my lid off.

On her behalf she wasn't really being decietful to me. She implicitly said that she had to go back to work and she needed money many times and she was not interested in me helping her out (she actually thought I was a poor backpacker, which I am more or less). She never said words like I love you, instead said things like the opposite on the phone like I dont miss you much. She was honest to her true feelings. Obviously she felt no need to be overly decietful given that I was not a paying customer.

I pulled the wool over my eyes and should have appreciated the relationship for what it was, a great free fuck whenever I want with a girl I like, instead of trying to make it all serious. However I'm still seeing her every night and enjoying every moment of it. She seems more serious about me and intimate than ever but I don't care about that, I just want to sleep with her, as she does with me. She says she wants to change and be with me, perhaps she is starting to do just that as she is going to sleep at 1 AM instead of 6 AM and is going to school. However I have no need or desire for a long term relationship with her anymore, indeed I'll probably have to leave Thailand in a few weeks. I'd just rather have her in the sack than anyone else. Whatever she does outside of my presence is not my concern. I left her on several occasions over the past couple of weeks, angry with what had happened, but she desperately came back to me both times.

My mistake in the whole relationship was when I messed up her overseas boyfriends who were sending her money. She said she did not have to work then because they were sending her so much, but when she stopped that on my behalf and I did not give her any money to make up for some of the shortfall, her attititude started to harden towards me gradually, leading up to where she almost ditched me in Bangkok.

My story is like the other side of the coin for these girls. Sometimes they meet a man they genuinely do like, whether a Thai man, a young attractive farang man, or a middle age, farang with a great personality, both charming and entertaining. Money has nothing to do with the relationship and may even be completely out of the equation such as myself (actually I was negative equity for his girl), but they value the companionship of course. Prostitutes are humans just like everyone else. But their need for money and desire of the prostitute lifestyle (including, perhaps, fucking a lot of men) leeds them into conflict with such people unless they are completely understanding of the girl and granting her complete freedom. As long as she is not making any demands on you, especially in the money department, there is no need for you to make demands on her and you can just enjoy her company and body.

Havrum,
Are you trying to qualify for a quote in a mental health textbook?
WALK AWAY!, GO NOW!

Sean

Havrum
01-27-06, 06:48
Tell me what is wrong with having hot, free, condomless sex, with a incredibily beautiful sex machine every night, no strings attached, rather than paying for mechanical sex with mediocre looking hookers every night, or finding it in discos (same thing, have to pay for 150 baht drinks and most are ugly hos, not to mention the effort)?

Coma Boy
01-27-06, 06:54
tell me what is wrong with having hot, free, condomless sex, with a incredibily beautiful sex machine every night?when she's having condomless sex with ten other guys per week it is kinda wrong.

go to the clinic dude, then go see a therapist...

Havrum
01-27-06, 07:05
Maybe, but way I look at it, safer to take a risk with one girl, whom I've already been screwing for two months, then take a risk with dozens of girls bareback as some guys do.

I think some of you just envy me what I get so good that you couldn't even pay for.

Sean_Double
01-27-06, 07:12
Tell me what is wrong with having hot, free, condomless sex, with a incredibily beautiful sex machine every night, no strings attached, rather than paying for mechanical sex with mediocre looking hookers every night, or finding it in discos (same thing, have to pay for 150 baht drinks and most are ugly hos, not to mention the effort)?

Dude,
Are you sure that there have been "no strings attatched"? You're previous posts have seemed like a plea for help. Its nice to hear now that you've figured that all out and just got a little free ass.
My apologies for the mental health remark, we can all only hope to have as nice an experience as yours seems to have been.

Cheers,
Sean

Havrum
01-27-06, 07:33
Absolutely there are no strings attached. I was the one trying to attach strings, making it a serious relationship, wanting to take her to Chiang Mai to live with me and everything. Obviously she wasn't ready for that, plus both her and I realized there would be financial problems, and all I did was complicate a good thing. She was never serious from the start, other than being with me every night. She never played games, saying false words like I love you, none of that, she treated me like she might have treated a Thai boyfriend.

Maybe my initial posts were a plea for help, but that was because I stupidly wanted to turn a prositute into a girlfriend. This board, as well as the subsequent experiences, wisened me up, and now I just enjoy the relationship for what it is.

However she seems to be getting more serious about the relationship as I am winding down.

I think she just likes the fact that she can party, freelance work and do what she wants and still come back to me every night, that I am easy going and don't try to control her (however neurotic I may seem on this message board has more to do with my profusive writing style than my outward personality). She doesn't want to be alone but she doesn't want to abandon her lifestyle either.

JuiceSpike
01-27-06, 12:49
Havrum,

You have a serious case of Pussy Whipped induced Stupidity...

Seriously:

Go home. Get on a plane and go home to sort out your head and to put things in perspective. You have over extended your sex tour dude. You cannot handle it so go home before you end up like one of those sad farangs asking for money on the streets of Thailand. Save your ass.

juices

1Ball
01-27-06, 13:12
leave him alone Juice. I wana see how it ends. This is some good stuff !
"Whipped Farang gets taken n whippped sum more ! "

Thai soap operas at their best. It beats that fish soap Marina hands down........

CocoLove
01-27-06, 18:01
I've been there and done the same thing, fell in love, plan my life around her, totally fucks you up when you relaise what a fool you been, pity did not find this site before going to los. Going back sometime but will leave heart locked away. Easy to fall for the charms but know now after 2 visits. Reading some of the reports drives it home.

Joe Zop
01-27-06, 18:54
Maybe, but way I look at it, safer to take a risk with one girl, whom I've already been screwing for two months, then take a risk with dozens of girls bareback as some guys do.

Saying that playing in traffic on a single busy street is safer than playing in traffic on a lot of busy streets may be somewhat true, but it doesn't mean it's not still a dumb idea. In point of fact you're also exposing yourself to those guys who are sleeping bareback with dozens of girls, because they're sleeping with yours. How long you've been sleeping with her without ill effect is irrelevant if she's actively banging other guys who can bring all kinds of goodies into the equation.


I think some of you just envy me what I get so good that you couldn't even pay for.

With definitely no disrespect intended to the lady, 1500-2000 baht LT is not high-class pussy, just pretty normally-priced pussy. And clearly, we could pay for her since she's for hire. She might be an absolutely great girl and terrific bang, and you may no longer harbor the massive romantic aspirations/illusions you previously professed but kindly give us a break on the hyperbole. Many here have been involved in situations in LOS where we've had a free bang for some period of time -- many for far longer than your own. Your basic problem, from the beginning, has been the idea that your experience is somehow unique and you (and she) and your situation are amazingly special. That's why you get ragged on here so consistently -- because you end up sounding like every other self-deluding sucker.

Freeler
01-27-06, 19:12
Joe zop,

Apparently you missed Havrums initial posts, or you wouldn't have said: "because you end up sounding like every other self-deluding sucker".
That's how he started out, that's what he kept on doing and that's how he'll end.
Havrum still doesn't realize that he's fucking a ho.

Dinghy
01-27-06, 20:04
RA - forgot "sick buffalo" and "roof leaks" options

Watch it Free - Z.. er Adl... er Samus got exiled because of his outspoken "attitude"

1ball - yeah, ain't it pathetic that enquiring minds want to know...

Freeler
01-27-06, 20:35
Dinghy,

MIGHTY SPARROW & BYRON LEE - ONLY A FOOL
(Coburn; Begren)
Mata Hari MH 143 102


Why do I keep fooling myself
When I know you love someone else
Only a fool breaks his own heart
I pretend that I don't see
When you walk with him down the street
Only a fool breaks his own heart

I have to admit it
Even though you hurt me so girl
I can't forget it
If I'm a man I'd let you go
It's no use trying to hang on
To a love already gone
Only a fool breaks his own heart

I have to admit it
Even though you hurt me so girl
I cant forget it
If I'm a man I'd let you go
It's no use trying to hang on
To a love already gone

Only a fool breaks his own heart
Only a fool breaks his own heart
Only a fool breaks his own heart

For: When I know you love someone else
Read: When I know you're fucking around

Dinghy
01-27-06, 21:04
Free - I forgot the smiley (I agreed with your assessment) he's WHIPPED - if he were cream he could stand up

Old Thai Hand
01-28-06, 03:40
I think some of you just envy me what I get so good that you couldn't even pay for.[/QUOTE]

I think this quote alone says so much about you and your attitude. Arrogance combined with stupidity doesn't even begin to describe you.

You are not unique. You are not special. You are one of millions who has come here, thought he met the most beautiful girl on the planet and fell in love with her deluding himself into thinking that she somehow saw him as different. She's a ho, dude! and you are just another John, whether you are supposedly getting it free or not.
Your limited time here combined with a relatively few number of reports, most of which have concerned this girl does not even begin to qualify you as any kind of expert on Thailand, Thai women and what constitutes the ultimate in Thai beauty. I'm sure she's hot. But, so are a million other Thai girls. Your sphere of experience has mainly been in Pattaya and within its rather surreal environment. This is incredibly narrow to say the least. I dare say that if you spent a day with me at work surrounded as I am by some of the best looking young Thai women anyone could possibly imagine, your girl would become quite ordinary, quite quickly.
There is tons of free pussy in this country. It is a lot easier to get laid here (and I'm not talking with hookers), than it is in most western countries. Your ability to get a free shag with a hot Thai girl is nothing special rendered even more ordinary by the fact that she's a ho.

Get over yourself!

However, I doubt that will happen. I await the moment when you crash and burn like others have before you.

Coma Boy
01-28-06, 05:50
Read JZ and OTH's posts (below) one thousand times, and you might just start to see sense.

Old Thai Hand
01-28-06, 07:32
CB
He won't read them or at least understand. The guy's an arrogant, know-it-all dick (afterall, it takes one to know one!...lol).

Although not really related except in a generic way, I was talking with an old friend last night about the story written a few years back by a reporter for the London Guardian, who had fallen hard for a girl from Voodoo at Nana. This guy bought her out of the bar and she professed undying love. Over the course of a relatively short time, he morgaged his house in England to the tune of 270,000 pounds (not baht...pounds!!!) and used it to build her family a new house up in "Nakhon Nowhere", buy a couple of motorcycles and generally make the family numero uno in the village, not to mention this girl personally quite rich by Thai standards. Not content with what they had, the family asked him to buy them a big, new truck. So, he returned to Thailand from England, from where he'd been sending her a monthly allowance, to meet the whole family in Bangkok so they could go to a dealership and buy a nice, big, 4-door extended cab truck. However, he happened to be going through some things in the apartment he rented for the girl and came across a picture of her with a Thai man who was wearing his shirt, a shirt he had left at the family's home upcountry the last time he had visited. On pressing her for an explanation, she admitted that the guy was in fact, her Thai husband. He also made the usual discovery that comes with such stories. While he had been back in England basically selling all his worldly possessions to support this girl, she had been back on the game at Voodoo and had several other suckers online for money.

Needless-to-say, when the family got to Bangkok, a truck was not forthcoming. But, by then it was too late for this guy. Except for his job, he was all but financially ruined. He went on to write this story in the Guardian as a warning and it was picked up by AP and appeared in newspapers all over the world, including of course the Bangkok Post. However, these stories, as common as air seem to continue to happen. Havrum's story is so old, it creeks.

All these stories once again beg the question that has been asked time and again, here and elsewhere.... why do otherwise reasonable men (if indeed they are) loose all sense and fall for Thai hookers? When I finally came here to live over 9 years ago, it was already a well-worn topic of conversation that appeared weekly in Bernard Trink's column in the Post and before that, the Bangkok World going back to the early 70s. You'd think by now, with so many of us writing about it here, people would wise-up.
But, it seems that there continues to be guys who delude themselves into thinking they've met the "One" who is somehow different. Trust me, they are ALL the same. I suspect that there is a secret training camp somewhere in the Isaan hinterland where, like Al-Queda, BGs learn the ins and outs (pardon the pun) of suckering hapless Farang.

Piper1
01-28-06, 07:55
Sheesh! Is this melodrama still going on? Remember that Havrum told the same tale two years ago. Back then, it was an Argentine WG he "fell in love with, realized he was fooled and left her, fell in love with her again, came to his senses and left her, fell in love again" and so on ... (yawn).

He's having a chuckle as others take his long repetitive and predictable tale seriously. Still, fiction or not, it's a good warning for newbies who may fall for the first sweet-talking WG they meet.

The Traveler
01-28-06, 11:06
Piper,

maybe Havrum should change his handle into "JoJo".
A JoJo also moves back and forth and got no brain :D

The Traveler
01-28-06, 11:07
...I suspect that there is a secret training camp somewhere in the Isaan hinterland where, like Al-Queda, BGs learn the ins and outs (pardon the pun) of suckering hapless Farang.
Interesting idea :)

The Traveler
01-28-06, 11:09
...I think some of you just envy me what I get so good that you couldn't even pay for.
Havrum,

opposite to most other members I really believe that you are very "special" in your very own way ! ;)

Havrum
01-28-06, 15:26
i have one question for all the punters? have you ever heard a story of a farang getting ripped off in a long term relationship who was with a girl from outside of the isan region, like from bangkok, chiang mai or some urban area? frankly all these stories i hear (i've read some bargirl book with horror stories as well) all the girls are from backwater, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor parts of isan. they don't even come from the urban parts of isan like korat or udon thani. that would be like marrying an inbred west virginia hick who goes off with billy bob. what does one expect? most of these girls were raped by their father, uncle or brother when they were 12 and have serious issues, aside from their general childlike stupidity and extreme, rural induced lazyness. i'm not saying my girl is different, indeed i'm past the point where i care, but atleast she comes from urban complex around bangkok, is intelligent, educated, good personality, and western, middle class air about her. sure i've been foolish but atleast i was pussywhipped by a girl that was worth being puysswhipped for, not some ignorant, isan prostitute. oh, and did i mention she was hot?

i think i might find some girl in a disco to take back to my place tonight and tommorrow. my girl is gone for two days again to see her family for some occasion (whether she is or not, again, i'm past the point of caring). she will most likely find out what i've done, given that she has 10,000 friends in pattaya, and be extremely jealous, but again, i don't care. actually she may have real feelings involved at this point and she might not have fucked a man for a couple of weeks, as she has been undergoing real changes in an attempt to be my boyfriend. i'm doing this only because i'm horny (she's not the only pussy on my mind anymore), not out of spite. and if she is falling in love with me it will probably make her do so even more.

true what some of the others had said. the only novelty of the situation is that i'm getting a prostitute to fuck me for free (well not completely free, given i pay some food, drinks and whatnot, i don't buy her any gifts or other ridiculousness), and to even give up some income potential in the process. sure its not hard to find free pussy, anywhere, especially in thailand. but this freeness comes with one or more of the following disadvantages:

1.) numero uno, the girl is ugly or mediocre looking. hot young girls anywhere just don't grow on trees. my girl is not just hot but smoking hot. i'll post some pictures once i leave thailand.

2.) the girl only stays with you for one night or several nights. this is a problem with a lot of hot girls is that they like to sleep around and change guys like mongers change hos.

3.) the girl is interested only in a serious relationship, you might not be able to have sex until the 6th time youve dated her and you'll have to lavish a ton of money on her in the form of indirect expenses once you are fucking her (i.e. dates, gifts, etc), and she still may not be hot. hell the amount of you would spend courting a girl in new york or london could pay for a 2 month trip to thailand. my girl is low maintenance and cost free.

i have fucked a lot of girls from discos and bars for free but they had one of the following disadvantges 95% of the time. this girl is like a rare, unspoiled gem of an island that travellers look for but rarely find. i have found that island, my own sex paradise.

Piper1
01-28-06, 15:48
Dear Havrum,

Can you help me? I went to a massage parlor today, only wanting a backrub. The girl told me she loves me, and gave me a handjob for free (after I tipped her US$50). She wants me to leave my wife and kids to marry her. The HJ was okay (her hands were a bit sticky), but I can tell by the way she said nice things to me that I'm the man of her dreams. I think it's destiny. While she gave me the HJ, she was on the phone to her boyfriend with her other hand, but I'm sure it's not serious, as she kept winking at me every time she told him she loved him (how she managed to smoke with both hands busy, I don't know). As you have been in this situation many times, can you advise me what to do please?

Yours,

Piper

Havrum
01-28-06, 15:51
Please end your boring attempts at being clever/funny, which only cluttering up the forum (both your posts and inducing responses like this from me). Perhaps if the posts were of such a nature they would add to the conversation (Coma Boy's for example, sometimes), but that is just rubbish.

Piper1
01-28-06, 16:15
The Traveler - I agree with Havrum: Your attempts at humor distract from the serious issues. Please be serious, as I have life decisions to make. I met her brother this evening. Should I buy him that house? I dunno, I dunno. Anyway, is it true that it's customary for Thai girls to French-kiss their brothers? Also, I didn't see the family resemblance.

Freeler
01-28-06, 16:17
Havrum,

Are you REALLY the fucking fool you want us to believe you are?
Ditch the b*tch and get on with your 'round the world trip'!

How's your visa?

PS Nobody except you is trying to be clever. But you fail miserably at it, damn, even your ho is smarter than you:(.

Havrum
01-28-06, 16:22
Ok Piper, that was much better, good job.

Piper1
01-28-06, 16:49
Ok Piper, that was much better, good job.Thanks Havrum; we can't have these guys mocking us when we ask for serious advice. But what should I do? She just called me and said her mother needs to go to hospital urgently (face-lift, tummy-lift, prolapsed uterus, and silicone implants). She wants me to send $32,432 (plus $19.95 domino tax, whatever that means - must be a Thai thing) to her brother's account immediately. I've made an appointment with my bank manager first thing tomorrow morning to mortgage my house. Am I doing the right thing? Please help.

Dinghy
01-28-06, 18:37
Trav - 'Murcans say "YO-YO" (muan - pom kit)

Sheesh - the story of havrum and his saga - I MIGHT need to pick up my feet to stop from getting sheet all over my SHOES

ROFLMAO

piper - nah - you need to personally deliver it - quit your job, fly to muang thai and find her. .Just show up anannounced

Retired Army
01-28-06, 19:01
I have one question for all the punters? Have you ever heard a story of a farang getting ripped off in a long term relationship who was with a girl from outside of the Isan region, like from Bangkok, Chiang Mai or some urban area? Frankly all these stories I hear (I've read some bargirl book with horror stories as well) all the girls are from backwater, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor parts of Isan.

Yes, I have heard many. It's just a matter of numbers. Since most of the girls who work in the "business" are from Isan, an economically depressed area, you naturally hear more stories about them. But I know many girls from other parts of the county, BKK included, who would clean out your bank account in an instant.

It's hard to find a "true heart" when you are hanging around Nana or Soi Seven. Get out of the tourist areas and meet some nice girls. Sure it's harder than getting girls from the Beer Garden, but well worth the effort.

Joe Zop
01-28-06, 20:18
havrum, just out of curiousity, what does being smoking hot have to do with anything? you throw it out like it's some kind of trump card that makes everything else irrelevant. pussywhipped and foolish is pussywhipped and foolish, regardless of how hot the woman is, and in any event the pussywhipped rarely see clearly enough to have any sense of what's hot and what's not. i guarantee beyond a single solitary doubt that if/when you post a pic in the photo area here there will be more than one person who will say, "you've got to be kidding -- you think that's hot?"

yes, i've heard of this happening with bangkok area women, chiang mai women, etc. absolutely! and your characterization of "most" scheming issan prostitutes as being having been raped, mostly disturbed and stupid is both obnoxious and another example of your delusional idea that your hooker is somehow seriously "different." (gee, she now "might not have fucked a man for a couple of weeks" because she's undergoing real changes. what devotion! time to reactivate the chiang mai cohabitation plan!)

your silly characterization of "most freebies" is yet another attempt to paint your situation as "special" and it's sad in its straw-man desperation. of course no one else beside you could have a long-term freebie with other than a clingy dog! aren't you amazing once again! most other guys simply say, well, she's got a face like a meteor crater and a body that's come out of a retirement home, but, hot damn, she's free...

good luck on your quest to temporarily relocate your balls and actually go rent another tg for a few hours, regardless of whether or not it pisses off your beloved smoking hot sex worker. that's what i call independence. perhaps you'll get lucky and find still more true love.

and since you're past the point where you care, how about being useful and letting other punters here know where to find your "rare, unspoiled gem of an island" so they can play on her 1500-2000 baht long time beach and decide whether or not it's worth sticking their flag in her as countless others have done? perhaps cb will even be so kind as to post a really long series of gyno shots so we can all have a good time counting the perfect grains of sand.

Old Thai Hand
01-28-06, 20:21
The only novelty of the situation is that I'm getting a prostitute to fuck me for free...[/QUOTE]

WOW!!! DO YOU THINK YOU'RE THE FIRST?

Hot young girls anywhere just don't grow on trees...[/QUOTE]

IN THAILAND, BELIEVE ME THEY DO.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A BARGIRL YET, NO MATTER WHERE SHE CAME FROM AND NO MATTER HOW HOT SHE WAS WHO COMES CLOSE TO MOST OF THE GIRLS IN MY CLASSES AND I TEACH HUNDREDS OF GIRLS EVERY SEMESTER. MY STUDENTS AREN'T JUST SMOKIN' DUDE, THEY'RE ON FIRE!

...they like to sleep around and change guys like mongers change hos. [/QUOTE]

CLEARLY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT REAL THAI GIRLS. THEY DEFINITELY DON'T SLEEP AROUND.

The girl is interested only in a serious relationship [/QUOTE]

TRUE. BUT SO ARE MOST BARGIRLS, AT LEAST SO FAR AS THEY CAN FLEECE YOU. ANYWAY, DIDN'T YOU SAY, AT LEAST IN THE BEGINNING THAT YOU WANTED A SERIOUS RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS GIRL?

you might not be able to have sex until the 6th time youve dated her [/QUOTE]

POSSIBLY (MY AVERAGE IS THREE, BUT SOME TAKE LONGER). BUT, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? THAT'S WHAT REAL LIFE IS ALL ABOUT...NOT THE FANTASY WORLD YOU'VE DELUDED YOURSELF INTO THINKING IS REAL. AT LEAST YOU'LL KNOW A REGULAR GIRL IS NOT FUCKING SEVERAL OTHER GUYS WHILE TELLING YOU THAT YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE IN HER LIFE.

you'll have to lavish a ton of money on her in the form of indirect expenses once you are fucking her (i.e. dates, gifts, etc) [/QUOTE]

AGAIN, POSSIBLY. ALTHOUGH, I HAVEN'T HAD TO DO SO YET AND I'VE DATED A LOT OF THAI GIRLS. IN ANY EVENT, IT'S STILL A LOT CHEAPER THAN WHAT YOU'LL PAY IN THE LONG RUN WITH A BARGIRL AND YOU'RE SIMPLY GETTING SOMEONE WHO IS BETTER IN EVERY WAY.


I have fucked a lot of girls from discos and bars for free but they had one of the following disadvantges 95% of the time [/QUOTE]

YOU MAKE THESE DECLARATIVE STATEMENTS WHEN YOU ARE A NEWBIE AND REALLY KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT THIS COUNTRY. GIRLS THAT SOMEONE LIKE YOU CAN PICK UP IN A BAR OR DISCO SO EASILY ARE PROBABLY OF THE SAME CALIBRE AS THE HO YOU WORSHIP SO MUCH.


Joe Zop

Perhaps CB will even be so kind as to post a really long series of gyno shots so we can all have a good time counting the perfect grains of sand. [/QUOTE]

HAHAHAHA...FUCKING BRILLIANT POST!!!!

Terry Terrier
01-28-06, 22:47
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]CLEARLY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT REAL THAI GIRLS, THEY DEFINITELY DON'T SLEEP AROUND.....

QUOTE you might not be able to have sex until the sixth time youve dated her QUOTE

POSSIBLY (MY AVERAGE IS THREE, BUT SOME TAKE LONGER)..... /QUOTE]

Ouch!!! my ears hurt!

Kind of a contradiction there, OTH.

So, a girl who's parents or grandparents made enough quick money to stop working the paddyfields and were able to send her to a 'posh' uni is better looking, more virtuous, etc, than the 'farm girls' whose grandparents used to share water bottles with hers? This class act fucks a middle-aged farang on the third meet, and she she is top wife-material? Oh, right, ok. Where can we find these girls? Oh, I forgot, you already told us.

Freeler
01-28-06, 23:00
Joe,

On a roll, what:D?

Old Thai Hand
01-29-06, 04:08
So, a girl who's parents or grandparents made enough quick money to stop working the paddyfields and were able to send her to a 'posh' uni is better looking, more virtuous, etc, than the 'farm girls' whos grandparents used to share water bottles with hers? This class act fucks a middle-aged farang on the third meet, and she she is top wife-material? Oh, right, ok. Where can we find these girls? Oh, I forgot, you already told us.[/QUOTE]

TT

Ya. I suppose it sounds contradictory.
I didn't however make a class distinction here. I was talking later on about the students at university being hot, as an answer to the question of Havrum's girl being the ultimate. But my reference to regular Thai girls not sleeping around applies to most non-BG Thai girls whether farm-girls or HiSo. My averaging three dates before I have slept with someone doesn't imply that these girls sleep around, though. Many more take longer than that. I didn't just 'F and F' them either, because these girls don't do that. I went out with most of them afterwards for some time as a girlfriend. So, there was a huge element of trust that allowed for the sex to happen in the first place. Sleeping around implies one-night stands. Thai girls just don't do that. It takes some work and committment like in any normal life situation to get most Thai girls to sleep with you. Like anywhere, there are easy girls and not so easy. But, in Thailand, girls tend to be much less sexually active in terms of multiple partners. I've met countless girls in their late 20s and even 30s who have only slept with one guy in their lives, usually a Thai BF. I've also met a surprising number of virgins, in their late 20s, 30s and even older, still living at home with their parents. Its one of the dichotomies of TGs that they take longer to have sex with than a western girl when dating, but their are many more available, which gives the impression that it's easier to get pussy here than elsewhere among regular Thai girls.

Catmonger
01-29-06, 07:33
Whew, is it hot in here or just me? Anyway, while I await Havrums pic post I'd like to change to an old reliable topic.

Where's the best area in LOS to meet nice women (a wife)?

I got a lot of attention in Surin, but the north is a curiosity for me. Has anyone here experienced it lately or heard recent reviews? Thailand has changed in 12 years, have rural town girls become less sweet and feminine?

Thaid Up
01-29-06, 08:32
Sorry Old Thai Hand you must be out of the loop to what is really happening in Thailand now a days. Most and I mean most Thai girls are shuffling 3 to 4 sexual partners. One is the steady Thai boyfriend that Dad and Mom's know about. Sometimes he may be getting sex, but many times not. Then there are the additional 2-3 Giks (Fuck Buddies) for her recreation. The Giks may be other Thai guys or foriegn guys or a combination of both. While Thai girls do not like one night stands, the 3 date interview process is to determine if you are someone who will be around or travel into Thailand on a steady basis to become Gik material.

The facade of the good Thai Girl is in the minority <10% bracket and can be put into the same category as a Thai smiling is always happy. You just have to realise the "I want to get Fucked" smile from the "good" Thai girl. Wink. Wink.

Havrum
01-29-06, 08:59
Joe Zop, how else am I to respond to the constant criticism, ridicule and mocking by all the members here other than to trump up things like how hot I think she is and be a little arrogant. My posts have been polite, well meaning and well written, but what kind of treatment can I expect from a forum about prostitution.

As I said before I enjoy writing about things happening in my life and I'm sure many of you enjoy reading what I've wrote. I've already said 5 times for the past month that I'm just with this girl for sex, yet everyone keeps spewing out the same old jokes, or they say like you are so stupid to fall in love with her (again, already been over that 5 times).

Anyways this is tiresome, and if this is the only level of dialogue that that this forum is capable of then I'll not waste my time anymore and share my adventures in other places.

Dinghy
01-29-06, 10:46
lao khun la... bai dee, ma dee

Pedro Chilli
01-29-06, 14:26
Havrum, I think thanks are in order.

Reading through this thread should be compulsory for all of us suckers who fall for the little darlings, Thai, Kenyan, whatever, just before we embark on another trip, as I am about to do.

But seriously, come on man, theres thousands of them out there, why settle for one?

Joe Zop
01-29-06, 18:37
Havrum, all that trumping things up and being arrogant does is absolutely beg to be given more criticism. I don't know what other kind of response you expect, really -- you originally came in here and asked for advice, which when given was pretty well on the mark, and then you argued with and ignored it, then you admitted it was mostly correct, and pretty well every post you make ends up giving contradictory indications about your state of mind. You're completely over this woman but she's the only one you're seeing. You're say you're beyond caring but you keep referring to boyfriend/girlfriend scenarios. You're not in the least emotionally attached but, heavens, she's not only a supermodel but a rocket scientist who can discuss fine art, literature and high finance while simultaneously banging your brains out. You're just using her for sex but by gosh she's changing so she can be with you, and maybe you'll go do something to make her become even more emotionally attached to you. Your posts have been filled with contractictions not simply of late but from the very beginning and people have been calling you on them.

As long as you keep trumpeting the wonders and uniqueness of your situation you're going to get hammered. As long as you keep posting all doe-eyed about the special wonderfulness of this TG you're going to get hammered. As long as she's the only subject on which you post you're going to get hammered. Why? Because, as I've said before, combined with your history of self-deception as far as this woman goes, you sound like nothing other than a schmuck on a ride. As far as anyone here can tell, the only advice you've at all heard or heeded (if indeed you have even done that) is to take care of your visa problem.

It has nothing to do with this being a forum about prostitution -- there have been any number of high-level and intelligent discussions in this thread in the past, and there have been any number of posters who've discussed the Thai women they're with without getting ragged on. It has to do with your posts here being the very cliche of newbie foolishness, to the point where you've actually convinced some people that you're a troll because your posts seem that calculated to incite.

Try to step back for a moment and read through the entire history of your posts in this thread and see if you can see what I'm talking about. If you can't see it, then you might be correct that it would save you a ton of abuse to refrain from posting. I'm a born romantic and my dealings with Thai women have been largely like my dealings with all other women in that they've been overwhelmingly positive, so I'm not coming from a "woman is evil, beware" perspective. I've also got no bad feelings about women who get men on a string -- people do what they do to survive and get money, and the product these women hawk is eminently more satisfying than many other kinds.

But I and others in this forum would simply be remiss if we were not to warn someone obliviously walking train tracks that something large and fast-moving shows up on a fairly regular basis. You just consistently argue with the messengers, tell them they don't understand and that you know better and you keep ignoring the message, which is why people keep turning up the rhetoric.

PosterLion
01-30-06, 10:58
Hey Guys,

Do you remember my "cry for help", concerning Dick Johnson? Havrum sounds exactly like him, to a T!

I won't be surprised if he suddenly accuses someone of bonking his trophy girl.

But I'm glad Hav keeps writing about his beloved. It gives you fellas an idea how frustrating it was trying to convince DJ of his pussy addiction.

poster...

Retired Army
01-30-06, 17:14
Where's the best area in LOS to meet nice women (a wife)?


Any place othen than Nana, Patpong, Soi Cowboy, Pattaya or Phuket. Get out of the tourist areas, see the real Thailand, experience the real Thai hospitality and lifestyle. Make Thai friends.

The best way to meet "nice Thai girls" is through an introduction by another Thai who can recommend you as a decent person, not a farang sex tourist.

JuiceSpike
01-30-06, 22:18
JZ,

I think you are trying to reason with a guy that has lost reasoning. But, you never know, he just might be right about this girl. What he might not get is that if he thinks we are making fun of him it's peanuts compared to what the Thai girls might really think of him.

Hav,

Where else can you post and be taken seriously? Nobody is going to take you seriously until you take yourself seriously. You mean well but you are missing the point of this forum. You have been posting on the "Thai Women - Opinions & Advice" section. What did you expect? Flowers? :D

juices

Coma Boy
01-30-06, 22:30
You have been posting on the "Thai Women - Opinions & Advice" section. What did you expect? Flowers?For Havrum...

Old Thai Hand
01-31-06, 01:18
Thaid Up

I'm well aware of the Gik phenomenon. I have had them and currently I am one, for a university girl from Nakhon Pathom.
But, I disagree with you. I do not think it's overwhelmingly pervasive. Sure, Thai girls are more sexually active than they were even a few years ago. I am around young Thai girls on a daily basis and think I am pretty savvy to which are genuinely not fucking around and which are putting on an act. I still think the "good Thai girl" and whatever that means is still dominant in that most, if fucking at all are only fucking one guy not multiple partners. I think you're living in a wannabe fantasy. Thai girls are not that different from Western girls and most Western girls don't have simultaneous sex partners, not in the age of Aids.

Joe Zop
01-31-06, 15:30
Juice, you may be right but to Havrum's credit he's taken (albeit not necesarily listened to) the criticism here pretty well and remained civil, which many have not.

Coma Boy
02-01-06, 07:35
Why doesn't Jackson just ban you if that's what he wants to do?

It's his forum, he should run it as a dictatorship, not as a democracy, I know I would. Other forums ban people at the drop of a hat.

I don't think any of us were saying we own the Thai thread, but for a bunch of guys who've never even been to Thailand, perhaps even Asia, to carry out their feud here was kind of annoying.

We have enough of our own wars here.

Oh well, whatever, nevermind.

Regards, HB.

Coma Boy
02-01-06, 07:47
Wow, you're really clever.

Piper1
02-01-06, 14:55
... did not feel like making any posts so the homies of the Thai thread like Pipe it to me 1 or is it Piper1, Homo Boy or is it Boy Toy,

On the Go (soon to morph into the new and improved On the Run),

Your interesting viewing habits (you naughty boy ;) - don't worry, a lot of guys like anal, but usually with girls), combined with your "pipe it to me" requests, your obsessive thinking about homosexuals, bisexuals and katoeys and your girly whimpering, all say a lot about your repressed desires. As the sage Seinfeld says: "Not that there's anything wrong with that!" Good to see you back.

Sean_Double
02-01-06, 16:58
You obviously are to fucking stupid to be able to read or you would have seen my response below dumb fuck!.

Yes, On the Go, Thank you for setting me straight. It's certainly a pleasure to have you back providing the guidance and helpful advice that was so so obviously missing from the Thai board while you were away.

Actually I had read your post below and I still ask the question, or let me put it another way; why would you WANT to post on the Thai board?, banned or not. I guess its up to you, good luck to you.

In a perfect world your friend "On the Run" who you inform us we will be hearing from soon will have actually been to Thailand or have some interest in it. Hopefully On the Run will wisely look at the titles to the threads and know that "Thai Women- Opinions & Advice" means it is a thread concerning those issues.

Whatever, its nice to see that you didn't commit suicide.

Sean

Coma Boy
02-02-06, 07:36
Too scared to return to your own thread eh?

Am sure LP, Prov, Guinness, et al. will provide just as warm a welcome.

Coma Boy
02-02-06, 12:12
You now can go back and smoke your drug of choice with your other homo buddies.Nice, thanks.

OTG relax, stop worrying and have a little fun in the forum, you may even enjoy it. Flaming is meant to be enjoyable, no need to act menstrual and burst into tears every time we mock you.

Pleased to hear you've finally been to Asia.

Old Thai Hand
02-02-06, 12:15
It's a funny world where the truly mad share our air, our precious resources, pollute our fragile environment, both literally and figuratively, but who have just as much right as we, to exist.

Since the Internet is the last remaining bastion of democracy and therefore a level playing field for degenerates, nutters, wackos, the Intellegentsia, the truly gifted, and everyone in-between, I suppose that OTG has just as much right as anyone else to be on here and to voice his infantile, vitriolic and above all pointless ravings.

So, let him rant, pass him by and read the worthwhile comments of the people he attacks.

Coma Boy
02-02-06, 12:20
I'm actually starting to like OTG.

Perhaps he'll join my gay drug gang that he's so keen on.

Piper1
02-02-06, 14:41
if I was going to use drugs I would find a way to make women my drug of choice.:)
On that we agree - women ARE my drug of choice (oh, and the occasional Heineken). In fact, around the same time as you were busy today with your addiction to flaming, I was busy with my addiction, with a lovely Thai in Dubai. ;)

Retired Army
02-02-06, 16:40
I read your reports and must say that your observations are usually "right on target." Especially about "tourists" who think that a "long-in-the-tooth" girl from the Soi 7 Beer Garden is the most beautiful thing they have ever seen. I also agree with your assessment about meeting and dating non-bar type girls. I have been saying the same as you: you aren't going to find a quality girl on a two week vacation hanging around Sukhumvit.

Thank you for the informative reports and insight. It's refreshing to see that someone has a clue about real Thai women and life in Thailand away from Sukhumvit, Patpong and Soi Cowboy.

Duniawala
02-02-06, 16:55
I also agree with your assessment about meeting and dating non-bar type girls. I have been saying the same as you: you aren't going to find a quality girl on a two week vacation hanging around Sukhumvit.

RA/OTH

Kudos to you being able to date beautiful non-bar types since you are settled (?) there or are on a long term basis. However, we poor day trippers have no other recourse. So appreciate it if you don't stick that thorn in our side.

BTW, we can only imagine what a beautiful Thai girls available for a date looks like as we have none to compare with.

Peace.

Old Thai Hand
02-03-06, 01:11
RA/OTH

Kudos to you being able to date beautiful non-bar types since you are settled (?) there or are on a long term basis. However, we poor day trippers have no other recourse. So appreciate it if you don't stick that thorn in our side.

BTW, we can only imagine what a beautiful Thai girls available for a date looks like as we have none to compare with.

Peace.

I wasn't sticking a thorn in anyone's side. I was challenging Capt. JBs declarative statement that his Beer Garden pickup somehow refuted the hypothesis that Beer Garden girls are all unattractive. I wouldn't normally have commented, especially negatively on a pic posted here because I do believe, "to each his own". But, I did comment because the pic was posted in an attempt to counter remarks made by myself and others that there are no beauties at the Beer Garden. I don't think the pic posted by Capt JB proved anything other than what I and others have said. But, if he liked her and she was a GFE or whatever, then he got what he was after and more power to him.
Also, you don't have to imagine what a beautiful Thai girl looks like. Just ride the Skytrain, or go to Siam Square, MBK or dozens of other places and look around. There are plenty of true Thai beauties to show you that Isaan BGs are at the bottom of the barrel as far as looks go.

Arguments about what constitutes beauty are always a bit of a mine-field because it's obviously very subjective. But, I think that most guys that come to Asian and especially Thailand are already sympathetic to the Asian look and have an idea of what they think is beautiful in this region. But, when you first get here, you're faced with a sea of women all of whom are different from what you are generally used to. So, at first, your tastes are not that sophisticated and you view a much larger segment of the female population as being more beautiful than they actually are. The longer you stay here, and the greater your access to all kinds of women, the better your ability to start to distinguish what is truly beautiful from what is merely ok. Also, you become somewhat co-opted by local standards of beauty. However, I honestly think that given a choice between Isaan bargirls and say, the university or young office girls one sees every day, most guys here would opt for the latter. But, it's understandable that most guys do not have that kind of opportunity and therefore see beauty in what is available to them.

I've decided to post one pic (clothed) as an example of what I think is a beautiful Thai girl. Others might disagree with me. In the end, that's what makes this topic so fascinating; that we all have our own specifications and can compare and contrast.

1Ball
02-03-06, 02:30
I have enjoyed the read here, and have not felt a need to add anything, except, OTH, while the girl posted is cute, she is not "on fire". Pretty average, I would say.

Thaid Up
02-03-06, 03:33
The pic OTH posted seems to be part Chinese. He seemed to acquire the Thai man taste which tends to go for girls that have lighter skin and bigger tits. I find the big difference is in the way the Thai girls dress, apply make-up and hair styles. If you would change the hair style, clothes and a little make-up, OTH's girl would be transformed from ordinary everyday to one that be a real looker. Attached are a couple of Thai girls made-up.

1Ball
02-03-06, 04:37
Interesting pics, Thaid up. While I would consider girl number 2, hot, I find girl number 1 drop dead gorgeous. Both of them are better looking that the girl OTH posted. (sorry, OTH. Of course, this is just IMHO of course, which isn't worth much this morning, as I sit in the airport lounge, surrounded by alcohol vapors, which are oozing out of every pore. FUCK!. Why do I drink so much when I am here). thank God I am leaving for a few days, so I can sober up !
Yes, Coma, I was out late after all, contrary to originally planned.

anyway, any others have pics of beautiful faces, so we can view what is considered beautiful by some, and might not pass the grade, by others ?

Coma Boy
02-03-06, 07:15
fuck! why do i drink so much when i am here? thank god i am leaving for a few days, so i can sober up!

yes, coma, i was out late after all, contrary to original plan.think about us poor bastards who have to live here. we can never sober up. our livers are like those of ninety year olds and our genitals eroded and sore (yet still massive and beautiful).

i thought you may stay out late, final-nights are too tempting. i hit patpong around midnight after one of the most hi-so dinners i've ever been to, felt like i was in thai tatler. should've taken my phone with me and joined you for the late-night lb hunt.

oth- she's more cute than beautiful, but i still love her.

i remember ye olde days when i first visited nep, i found nearly every girl attractive, and would (and did) fuck pretty much anyone. now, unless i am really drunk i have to search long and hard to find someone i want to take home. when you eliminate those with children, fatties, katoeys, ****, oldies and uglies there really isn't much left to choose from (except in rainbow of course).

but when i lurk round siam i fall in love every ten seconds.

Terry Terrier
02-03-06, 07:53
Here is a link to a site (not mine) with some photos from a recent Mai Jaroenpura concert in the UK that I attended. I would guess that well over 90 percent of the attendees were Thai women, and they covered the complete spectrum of looks. The two girls in the 5th picture from left both have what I would call a traditional Thai look, and the girl in the black dress is particularly sultry/sexy in person. The girl in the 3rd photo from left has what I would call a central Isaan look, and she is as attractive and appealing in person as the girl in black, nothing to choose between 'em really. Both have farang hubbies btw. Mai is a pretty hot 30-something in the flesh, too.

www.iamguava.com/Maiconcert/maiconcertweb/index.html

btw, The gig was sponsored by - you couldn't make this one up - Western Union!

Old Thai Hand
02-03-06, 10:41
Isn't this discussion more fun than bothering with OTG?


Anyway, as, I said, "To each his own". Ya the girl I posted is more cute than beautiful, which is actually how I like them. However, somehow, I doubt if any of you would say "No" if you had the chance.
I find the girls in the pics posted by Thaid Up rather un-attractive (no offence intended). Both have "Na Lao" which I hate. I don't consider either of them Thai, but Isaan girls. That's how you start to differentiate after you are here for some time. Most guys on this thread, however would find them hot, as some have already expressed. So, here's where the issue will always get thorny and dangerous. I could post more and more in an ever increasing effort to get a better rating. But, what's the point? I have different tastes from most on this board because as Thai Up observed, I have acquired the Thai man's taste as have most of my Farang friends who have lived here for some time. Are we right and the rest of you wrong? No. Tastes just change, the longer you stay here. I think Coma Boy and I think along the same lines. Go to Siam and fall in love every ten seconds. The girls there range from the extremely cute to...they take your breath away!!!!...and lucky me, I get to work near there.

Anyway, I will post one more just for fun. She's 100% Thai. Maybe she's not beautiful, but she's damn cute, and a really sweet 22 year old Thai girl.

Thaid Up
02-03-06, 10:51
btw, The gig was sponsored by - you couldn't make this up - Western Union!Now that's funny! The first picture shows that a few Thai woman got accustomed to eating the food from the UK.

Coma Boy you are right on about NEP. It definitely has degraded over the years. This is due to the cell phone whereas any girl who is smart and has good looks quickly builds up her own clientele. So the ones that are left are either ugly, stupid, lazy or all of the above. Rainbow is an exception because they are getting top dollar from the Japanese. Many will not go with a non-Japanese.

The best thing to do is sit in Big Dogs for a couple of hours and just watch where the stunners go or get info from them (i.e. Name, number and barthey work at).

JuiceSpike
02-03-06, 14:28
It is expected that for those of you guys living there would eventually get bored with the Nana, Cowboy, etc. I know that if I did live there I would persue non-hookers as the more I go there the more the less interest I'm in the bar girl type. Plus, sex is a lot more fun and perverted when you fuck women that doesn't make a living doing it. :)

It makes sense when you first visit Thailand to go nuts and fuck every pretty girl or just any girl offering becuase it's like being in a candy store and you can't get enough. But with more trips there or moving there and having covered just about the whole spectrum of pussy then it's time to evolve. Monger Evolution. :p

On my last trip I got bored with the scene and headed out to Samui for some relax time but met a non-hooker for some good fun and it was perfect.

Since some of you guys live there it's a lot easier to meet non-bar girls having the time to do it and the knowledge or channels of where to find them. However, as with all women in the world fucking regular women can have some negatives as they expect a relationship from free sex.

There are tons of pretty, sexy and even beautiful women in Thailand which some are available to farangs. I don't think comparing bar girls to mall or bts gilrs is fair. The beauty of Thailand is that it is so easy to fuck women for cheap but the more you do it the less interesting it becomes. I now walk the Suk area avoiding eye contact as the girls are not very nice looking and wonder what makes newbies drool as I once did...

juices

Coma Boy
02-03-06, 14:49
I still fuck plenty of nasty streetwalkers and bar-girls.

I just don't find them attractive any more.

JuiceSpike
02-03-06, 15:08
Coma,

Yeah, that's the fun part of being there, easy to fuck 24/7... and it explains why you are a such sslut...:D

juices

Duniawala
02-03-06, 16:22
OTH

I am sorry but I did not find either of the pics you posted as VERY beautiful. In my taste they are average looking girls (regardless they being Thai or not). I have seen much better looking and cuter and sexier looking girls on the streets of Sukhumvit and Pattaya. However, all it shows that your tastes are different and should have left Cap. JB alone.

The other interesting thing that you keep bringing up is that there are Thai girls and there are Isaan girls. Pardon me for being naive, but don't they all belong to Siam. Furthermore, from your comments, it seems that you equate WGs as girls from Isaan and that the Thai's are not WGs.

Retired Army
02-03-06, 16:39
Started when someone asked where to meet nice Thai girls for marriage. What we are saying is that if you want to meet a nice girl for marriage then you need to get out of the tourist areas. We have all heard the stories of the BGs who take advantage of farangs. Not as to which girls are fuckable and how they look. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And one man's trash is another's treasure. Personally I would rather have an average girl who has a "pure heart" , with a good attitude and personality than a real "looker" who doesn't. Nothing worse than fucking a stunner who just lays there.

The Traveler
02-03-06, 20:32
OTH,

I assume this student (do you know her ?), is more to your taste, right ?
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=20331

PosterLion
02-04-06, 03:14
After reading Terry Terrier's inclusion of me in his et al of long-time-old-hands, I really think I should report that I've been here but a mere two years and 7 days.

I tend to agree a little bit with the reports sticking it to the likes of Nana and the BG, but on the other hand, I am not put off much by these places either. In fact, I tend to have an excellent time when I visit them. The geriatric crowd doesn't even put me off, but I do hope beyond hope that I don't end up like some of them. It's one of my biggest fears.

The things that rile me most about the highly trodden areas is the fact that after about a month, you've seen just about everyone. It doesn't mean that you know everyone, but there is the feeling that the day will come when you do. Then what? It is a little known fact (except by those that live here) that the Sukhumvit sex scene is quite small.

For instance, take Angel Disco. The same people go there day in and day out and of those people, there is a finite number of close knit groups or gangs. If you've gone with one or two ladies of one gang, it begins to seem a little pointless to explore the rest of the members. It becomes very much akin to what I call the small-town-syndrome. Everyone knows everyone's business.

Luckily I grew up in a small town and that does give me some sort of an advantage. However, this syndrome is highly magnified in Thailand because the Thais are the most gossiping bunch of yakkers I've ever seen and believe me, Oklahoma ain't too far behind. Maybe that's why I feel like I fit in pretty well.

I'm not sure how many paths a person that moves here might choose, but the two that come to mind are that of the 200 baht 3F shagger and that of the higher paying repeat offender. I have found that I've fallen into the latter category. This is a fact that I don't mind in the least. It may also be a reason that I ended up with a prostitute for a girlfriend. I didn't intend for it to happen, but it did. Once again, I've no regrets.

When I first moved here I often went to Soi 4 at 2am trying for the easily obtainable 1,000 baht shag. Even that is overpaying if you are good at hardball tactics when bargaining. These days, I rarely try to pick up these late night shaggables. Iím not 100% sure of my reasoning, but I guess itís because Iím bored with it. But then again, I still do it all the same, just not very often. Iíd say I use this method about once a month nowadays, whereas in the past I used this method almost exclusively.

I found a gal about two months ago this way and I think Iím her Gik now. Maybe sheís my Gik as well. Iím not 100% certain what the term Gik means but Iím under the opinion it means ďa person that someone shaggs on a semi-regular basis.Ē I think it is a term to describe men only. Can anyone expand a little on the term Gik? Iíd appreciate it.

I fear Iíve gotten off track of the point I was trying to make. At this time Iím not certain if I have a point at all. I got the idea to give my take on the high-traffic areas because it has been a recent topic of discussion. Let me speak a little bit about the Go Go Scene being that Iíve spent most of my efforts on the late night pickup process.

I still enjoy the GoGo scene, but in moderation. I not only go to Nana and Soi Cowboy, sometimes I go to Patpong because it gives an entirely different feel. Many times I donít take any ladies, but Iíll buy a few lady drinks and just chat instead. I might then go back after one or two weeks and buy the girl out if sheís still there and gives me the same feeling as the first impression. I never really know what the hell Iím going to do when it concerns shagging P4P girls. There are some days I end up with a girl when I had no intention of it and there are other days when I just say, fuck itĒ, and go home although my original intent was to buy and shagg with conviction.

Some of you old timerís reported that the GoGo bars are chock full of ugly Isaan girls and that gives me a head-scratching-pause. Although I admit that many of the girls in the GoGo bars are indeed closer to ugly than beautiful, I think a well proportioned Isaan girl is as attractive as the ladies of the north and the south, white skin or dark skin, it makes no difference to me. I eat all the parts (white or dark) of a chicken and itís the same for me with the ladies. I have no color bias and prefer to savor all things savory.

I look for a girl that has a certain sparkle in her eye and a good smile when she talks with me. Of course I screen girls on looks, but for me that is not too difficult. I look for a nice ass and a flat stomach and thatís about as far as I go with the physical attributes. I think attitude is the most important thing to analyze before asking a girl to your place. The most important element of a girls report card is the level of her sexual skills. If a girl is an excellent sexual provider then itís a no-brainer that Iíll supply her with repeat business. I like to be able to call a lady that will show up at my room with a smile and provide me with the sexual satisfaction I desire. Iíve got a short list of two girls that fit that ticket. Itís never a large list, but itís a good list. :)

I usually pay 1,500 to 2,000 baht for a girl without regard to the length of duty. Sometimes a lady will stay over night, but in most cases sheíll go home before sunrise. Most of the girls would rather get back home because they got stuff to do just like everyone else.

There are still occasions when I pay 1,000 baht for a girl and some of those girls end up on my short list. This might sound silly to many of you guys, but if a girl gets on my short list sheíll end up getting the 1,500 to 2,000 I normally pay, even though I initially paid her 1,000 baht. I figure itís worth it for the dial-up convenience and it keeps the service level above par. Besides, if you think about it, youíll spend at least 500 baht going through the process of finding a shagg anyway. Thatís why Iíve got no problem giving that little extra to the girls on my list.

I guess thatís about all Iíve got to say on the high traffic spots that have become the little bubble I have been known to live in. :)

Donít forget to post some replies about the exact meaning of the term Gik.

Hereís a photo of a girl I know for you guys to rate. It seems to be the ISG hobby of the day.

Poster...

Gladiator
02-04-06, 04:27
This thread seems to be going off topic and turning into an ‘Ugly Skank of the Year Contest’…

The self-proclaimed oth gained some advantage by posting his unfuckable ghosts, but now tt and posterboring are trying hard as runner-ups with their ladyboys look-alikes, though posterboring’s candidate seems to be at a more advanced AIDS stage.

It’s difficult to judge from pics anyway, it looks like oth has still an edge to win the contest.

Coma Boy
02-04-06, 04:51
Can anyone expand a little on the term Gik? Iíd appreciate it.Think of it as more than friends, but less than gf-bf. Fidelity, gifts, etcetera, not required.

Fuck buddy is perhaps the best translation, although there are plenty of gik couples who don't have sex.

Beware though, many times you start out with a gik and before long it twists and turns into a relationship.

Giotto
02-04-06, 06:16
Hmm...

Gladiator, interesting comment. Very clever...an AIDS diagnosis based on a simple picture. Amazing.

PL, I like that face, very beautiful for my taste.


Giotto

PosterLion
02-04-06, 09:54
Coma,

Thanks for the clarification on GIK. Maybe I used the term incorrectly because I'm not getting free sex from the lady I described as a Gik. On the other hand, sometimes we hang out without the involvement of sex or money, but if sex is involved I always put up a donation.

It's kind of a strange relationship. We interact mostly like a couple of friends, but at the end of the night she'll say, "So are you horny?" If I'm horny then we have sex and if I'm not horny we don't.

===

I remember in my last post I mentioned two different paths some people take after moving to Thailand. Reading Gladiators post just reminded me of a third one.

Some people just go bonkers and wind up hating everything and everyone. Somehow they come to believe they are the only ones on the planet with a little class, yet they end up at home day in and day out playing video games and writing nasty degenerative posts in response to those of us that are without question the epitome of all things classy.

However, Gladiator is a special case. There is no doubt in my mind! He suffers all the symptoms above yet he hasn't moved to the land of smiles. It just goes to show you that too much pussy can adversely affect anyone anywhere. Such a pity. ;)

poster...

Terry Terrier
02-04-06, 13:18
All the banter about What Constitutes A Beautiful Woman reminds me of the arguments about what type of music is the best. Classical music has tenure, has the most complex structures, and the local 'upper classes' like it so it has to be the best. Rock music has all the best tunes and riffs, and afficionados even argue among themselves about which sub-genre has the most cred. Folk music has local history and is the true music of the people. Etcetera, etcetera. Bottom line is, music is not much different from sexual attraction: Both work best on a visceral level, and everything else is pretence with the purpose of keeping up one's interest level.

Now, what constitutes good wifey material is a whole different, more complex, more subjective argument.


Gladiator,

Stick to the interesting, informative posts, mate. You make a very amateur troll.

The Traveler
02-04-06, 13:25
Poster,

I agree, it doesn't matter where a girl comes from and what color her skin has, if she is cute then she is cute.

Just like you I like them all. My former GF was a light skinned BKK girl, my new GF is a dark skinned Isaan girl. Both have a great attitude and are good providers, that's what counts for me. I don't care to which social class they belong to, a spoiled Hi-So girl can be much more demanding than a nice Lo-So girl. And having some education doesn't mean to be intelligent, there are a lot of rich kids who virtually buy their diplomas. I rather prefer someone intelligent, who knows real life but had to leave school after the 9th or 12th grade because she couldn't afford a better education than someone who went to univ but doesn't know shit about real life and still lives in a dreamworld which dad and mom are paying for.

I believe there is no way to argue about beauty, because it lies in the eye of the beholder. It's just like arguing about which food got the best taste or like Terry said which music is best. We all have different likes and dislikes, to each it's own. Period.

Anyway, below a few pics of a great 28yr old provider that I recommend for your "short list". Not the best looking one but still good enough to be considered. Very nice attitude, great performance and very reliable.

PM me for her phone number if interested.


Regarding Gladiator : Why do you think he had too much pussy ?
I rather believe that he hadn't had enough. Guys who fuck a lot (e.g. Coma and yourself) are usually more relaxed. :)

On The Go
02-04-06, 13:37
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Deep Diver
02-04-06, 14:11
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Poster,

I agree, it doesn't matter where a girl comes from and what color her skin has, if she is cute then she is cute.

Just like you I like them all.

KIDDYFUCKER ALSO KNOWN AS THE TRAVELER,
You surely made a correct statement in your post and that includes there age to! :D The girl you posted is very attractive by the way.


Dude thats uncool to attack members like that we are all after the same thing here

Ralph Kramden
02-04-06, 14:13
Traveler,

Is the girl in the pictures you posted your girlfriend?

If so, then why are you serving as her pimp?

Domino wants to know the answer.

The Traveler
02-04-06, 14:48
Traveler,

Is the girl in the pictures you posted your girlfriend?

If so, then why are you serving as her pimp?

Domino wants to know the answer.
Ralph,

tell Domino that she is one of my preferred freelancers.
I would never post a pic of my GF in here or of any regular that could be harmed by doing so.

Please tell him too that this forum is intended to share info on how and where to find (legal aged) girls. So providing info about a good performer isn't pimping. I don't get a share :(

I know that Domino rather uses this forum as a platform to produce his superego and to insult other members, especially those who dare to differ from him. But that's not the original intent of the forum and therefore he was encaged.

The Traveler
02-04-06, 14:56
Dude thats uncool to attack members like that we are all after the same thing here
Deep Diver,

OTG can't get over it that he got caught lying to Jackson claiming that Coma, Meaty and myself are supporting him in his stupid little war with Piper and others. It's easy to ignore him, it's just the reaction of an immature little freak who likes to stick his nose into other people's business.

Read his first posts in which he praised me so much that I got worried because my colon has a limited capacity and he was right in sight of my appendix. Just another example how love can turn into hate.

Piper1
02-04-06, 15:26
OTG can't get over it that he got caught lying to Jackson claiming that Coma, Meaty and myself are supporting him in his stupid little war with Piper and others. It's easy to ignore him, it's just the reaction of an immature little freak who likes to stick his nose into other people's business.I don't think I'm really in OTG's little war. I think he's got a crush on me, and it's his way of expressing his repressed desires. ;)

For me it's just an occasional chuckle after a big day at work. I'll keep out of OTG's tiffs from now on. He's much better than me at flaming. In fact, he's superfluous!

This isn't really my place anyway. From memory, I was drawn in by OTG PMing me out of the blue for support and advice about how to deal with his flamers. I advised him that no-one is really interested in his flame-war except the few involved, and if he was worried, simply ignore the flamers and they would stop. He then posted my response on the board. Gladly, I wasn't taking sides in my PM.

Anyway, I'll take my own advice now, and bail out. (Unless it turns out that the much-anticipated, tougher, nastier, meaner, wittier On The Run is more fun than OTG). :)

Cheers

Piper

The Traveler
02-04-06, 15:39
...He's much better than me at flaming. In fact, he's superfluous!...

Piper,

everyone has a forte :)

The Traveler
02-04-06, 16:08
... there age to! :D
OTG,

a little riddle for you. What's the difference between

there, they're and their ?
to, two and too ?

Not very impressive for someone who tries to impress us with "smart" comments.

Coma Boy
02-04-06, 16:54
OTG is fat!

OTG love ladyboys!

OTG has a small penis!

Sean_Double
02-04-06, 20:19
Think of it as more than friends, but less than gf-bf. Fidelity, gifts, etcetera, not required.

Fuck buddy is perhaps the best translation, although there are plenty of gik couples who don't have sex.

Beware though, many times you start out with a gik and before long it twists and turns into a relationship.

Its been explained to me that these are relatively new words, that have come into the mainstream just in the last couple of years. My TGF defines them as:

Gik; a fuck buddy who is a friend.

Guk; a fuck, someone used purely for sex with no attatchment.

Both these terms are ususally only used in reference to cheating, i.e. if a girl doesn't have a boyfriend or husband first she can't have giks or guks.

I've heard the words used together as well, "gikguk," as in "she has many gikguk," which means that she is in a relationship, but fucks around a lot.

Cheers,
Sean

Gladiator
02-04-06, 20:40
Some people just go bonkers and wind up hating everything and everyone. Somehow they come to believe they are the only ones on the planet with a little class, yet they end up at home day in and day out playing video games and writing nasty degenerative posts in response to those of us that are without question the epitome of all things classy.



As one of posterboring’s friends put it recently: ‘he seems to be always stuck in BKK, only stays in his room, hangs out around the Sukhumvit ghetto or spends his time with forum members or cheap P4P girls’ - very classy indeed.

Anyway, I wasn’t criticising posterboring and I couldn’t care less what he does or stops doing, I was simply making some comments about a few pics.

I am aware that what looks like Dulcinea for some guys may also look like a hag for others, and in that sense all comments about pics are subjective; but, on the other hand, considering that oth is all the time bragging about his girls and how superior they are to any other girls that any member may ever find, I somehow expected him to post something different, actually in view of the hype I expected him to post a photo of the Goddess Venus herself. But he has disappointed me (and others, I guess) by posting those sub-average specimens.

That’s one advantage of having a forum with the facility to post photos, they help to see things in perspective.

JuiceSpike
02-05-06, 01:13
You guys don't have good taste in women. Here are four truly beautiful Thai girls.

Enjoy.

juices

The Traveler
02-05-06, 01:35
Juice,

as far as I remember this pic was taken by Domino some time ago.
Not sure if he also had done one of those beauties, would have to read back to find out, but I am too lazy to do so.

On The Go
02-05-06, 01:46
Piper 1...Your a trip and thanks for giving me a good laugh!. :) :D By the way I have no wars for the wars I was in are now history. :D

Homo Boy... Your name speaks for itself, go about your illegal acitivities and maybe you can find yourself a katoey to enjoy your activities with. :) :D

Traveler... Nobody said anything about smarts so where that came from I do not know, but I do know many very successful people whose spelling and grammer is not the greatest. [Deleted by Admin]

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The Traveler
02-05-06, 02:28
OTG,

thanks for confirming my assumptions regarding your character and state of mind :)

BTW, do you know what "homo" means ?
Ever heard of a "homo sapiens" or "homo erectus" ?
Coma is indeed a "homo" just like the rest of us - a few exceptions apply like yourself. Normally he is a "homo sapiens" but when being with a girl he degenerates to a "homo erectus", at least in part :D

Since you don't assign yourself to being a "homo" I guess you are a "pan", right ? Your posts hint to it.
But did you know that even your brothers - chimps and bonobos - where once assigned to "homo" (1775 - 1816), but later on were reassigned to "Pan troglodytes" and "Pan paniscus".

Terry Terrier
02-05-06, 05:05
Juice,

You fuckin' newbie. The one 2nd from right is a katoey!

JuiceSpike
02-05-06, 10:45
Terry,

That was funny.

juices

Old Thai Hand
02-05-06, 18:19
Gladiator
I don't think I've ever bragged that my girls are superior, merely that my taste is different. As well, I like to talk about and in this case show non-P4P, just to give an alternative view of Thai women, that differs so much from what is usually discussed here. There are a lot of guys who are interested in what the title of this thread actually suggests; advice about Thai women, not just Hos.

I also don't think this was a contest and think everyone who posted pics wanted to show their own personal idea of beauty or what they liked just for comparison. Nobody was any better than anyone else, myself included. It's what makes things so interesting here because there is so much variety. However, if I was to choose a winner, I'd choose Coma Boy for his continued posting of excellent gyno shots and The Traveler for having a varied and interesting collection of usually beautiful women.

Judging from your two posts, you seem to have an axe to grind with me. I'm not sure why because I've never had any exchange with you about anything. In any event, in posting the two pics I posted, I was merely showing 2 girls who I think are quite cute. If you think they're below average, I could care less. I never said I thought they were stunners. I don't actually like stunners that much. But, they both are cute, both in looks and disposition. Above all, they are regular Thai girls and therefore interesting just because they aren't the usual hardened pro most guys here encounter.

But, if you can do better, go ahead...put up or shut up.

Here's one more, not for anyone's approval, not to win a contest and not for bragging rights, but simply to show yet another type of Thai girl. I think she has a great face, a nice smile and a lovely personality. But, she's too skinny for my taste.

Freeler
02-05-06, 18:39
OTH,

Don't be a child: "If you can do better, put up or shut up." Nananana...
Let's face it, after months of hi-so blabbing you finally cum up with the goods and people are disappointed.
No big deal.
At least I admit that I fuck and picture skanks a plenty, and some nice looking ones too:).
Hey, it's all in the game.
Now post some more pics, dude!
BTW The girl in your latest pic smiles like she's got bad teeth...:(

This is a warning:
Freeler is about to return to the Holy Land. Stay clear or face the consequences!

Old Thai Hand
02-05-06, 18:59
Freeler

I take my knocks graciously. However, the girl actually has nice teeth. She isn't HiSo, obviously. She works for True. I don't date HiSo girls; more MidSo actually and I think generally average Thai girls. They are much nicer to be around than HiSo girls. I just talk about HiSo girls, sometimes because they make up the vast majority of my students and the girls I see on a day-to-day basis. My students are mostly pretty hot looking, and I do have pics of them in uniform. But, obviously, I can't post them here. I was somewhat reluctant to have even posted the pics that I have posted, but did so because this isn't the photo gallery and the thread is concerned with Thai women, not just Thai BGs.

Anyway, one more of a different girl, just for you, coz you asked.

The Traveler
02-06-06, 00:41
OTH,

there are always a few Nay-sayers around.
Interestingly, they only hang around to criticize others but do not come forward with useful info or own pics, guess why ?

So, just ignore them. They don't get that their horizon is limited to those who are into the P4P game and that a non-P4P will be out of reach for them forever, not just because of their lack of knowlege and experience, but most likely because of their attitude.

There are others who believe to know the country because they know which bus to take, where to find a cheap hotel or where one can get the cheapest bonk. But knowing a country is much more than that. These guys never had any closer contact to anyone out of the sex biz, they are sex-tourists who do a bit sight-seeing.
Nothing wrong with it per se, but they shouldn't think that they know it all and a bit self-reflection wouldn't be bad as well.

BTW, I like the face of the girl on your last pic, cute.

Old Thai Hand
02-06-06, 08:35
OTH

I am sorry but I did not find either of the pics you posted as VERY beautiful. In my taste they are average looking girls (regardless they being Thai or not). I have seen much better looking and cuter and sexier looking girls on the streets of Sukhumvit and Pattaya. However, all it shows that your tastes are different and should have left Cap. JB alone.
The other interesting thing that you keep bringing up is that there are Thai girls and there are Isaan girls. Pardon me for being naive, but don't they all belong to Siam. Furthermore, from your comments, it seems that you equate WGs as girls from Isaan and that the Thai's are not WGs.

Duni

Re: My comments on Capt. JB... You seem to keep missing the point. I commented on his pic only because he made a declarative statement about it. Had he simply said, that in his opinion this is a beautiful girl, I would have said nothing. But, he put her forth as somehow proving the hypothesis that you can find beautiful women in the Beer Garden. That's a whole different issue and opened him up to criticism.


Re: Comments about Isaan girls...
Yes you are naiive. It is true, that Isaan is geo-politically part of Thailand. But, culturally it is much different from the rest of the country. Thais refer to themselves as North Thai, Sourthern Thai, Bangkok Thai etc., but always refer to Isaan people as khon Isaan. Isaan people themselves refer to themselves first as Isaan and second as Thai. It is the only part of the country, apart from small areas of the extreme south where they speak Yawi, that a distinctly different language is spoken, either Isaan Lao or Khmer. Other parts of the country have various dialects that are different from Thai, but which are still connected to Thai in some way. It is true that Isaan culture has permeated mainstream Thai culture in the form of music, food and even fashion. But, Isaan is still viewed by Thais as not really Thai. Most Thais can not even understand when Isaan people speak Isaan Lao and certainly not Khmer. When the recent movie, South of Yasothon was released, it came with Thai sub-titles so Thais could understand what was being said in Isaan Lao by the actors.

Here's a lesson for you.

Thai...Pom chawp yet
Isaan...Coy muk eub

If you said the first one to a Thai girl or Isaan girl, both would be very insulted and embarassed (if nice girls) or say, "How much you give me?", if not.
If you said the second one to a Thai girl, most likely she would look blankly at you and say "mai khao jai". But, if you said it to an Isaan girl, she'd either be very insulted and embarrassed, (if a nice girl) or say, "How much you give me?", if not.

BTW...both mean "I like to fuck"

I enjoy speaking Lao, although it is a much cruder language than Thai both in content, pronunciation and volume (ever hear how loud some BGs are?). But, it's fun to see the girl's reaction when you fire some Lao at them.
As well as language, Isaan culture is generally far cruder than Thai culture. A good deal of Thai humor comes from Isaan, especially bawdy humor. Isaan culture is full of sexual inuendo in language, dance, songs, votive symbols (those wooden phalus' you see in shops, etc.) and events. Thai culture by contrast tends to be "High" culture and of a very refined nature.

As for WGs being from Isaan...Certainly there are WGs from other parts of the country who are Thai, obviously. Interestly, you seldom if ever find any from Southern Thailand. In any event, the vast majority of WGs come from Isaan. I don't know what the percentage would be. But, I'd hazard a guess and say that at least in terms of those who service Farang, it's probably well over 90% who are Isaan girls.

I realize that I am always critical of Isaan girls. It comes from a lot of bad personal experiences. I've known hundreds, both WGs and non-WGs. But, to be fair, it really does depend on where in Isaan they come from and what their background is. I don't like girls from Udon Thani, Ubon Ratchathani, Buriram or Surin. But, I've met lots of nice girls from Roi-et, Nakhon Phanom, Mukdahan, Kalasin and Khon Khaen among other places.
I post an Isaan girl who I think is actually quite cute, if still having a little baby-fat (she's only just 20). She's poor (aren't they all?), she helps her father who drives a bus and she wants to be my GF so I can pay for her education. I was tempted, because she is quite cute and sexy (for me, that is). But, in the end I declined. I'm sure that there will again be some who say she's average. Whatever...

JuiceSpike
02-06-06, 15:18
Guys:

It is starting to look silly how you guys argue about "my chick is better looking than yours..." Who fucking cares?

OTH,

I believe you were not psoting pics of regular girls because you did not want to reveal their identity in this forum. Yeah? Since you are now maybe you want to block their eyes or something to conceal their identities. I personally don't care. BTW, a while back I posted a pic of a Uni student you recognized. I picked her up while walking on Suk during a late afternoon. She was hardly a good girl. She was a nice sweet nympho though.

juices

Old Thai Hand
02-06-06, 16:26
Juice

I agree with you about the one-upmanship. I started the discussion merely as an interesting topic about what constitutes a beautiful Thai girl in peoples' opinions and it quickly degenerated into a barage of putdowns.

Conclusion: as Thaid-up said, I tend to the Thai man's taste. This apparently doesn't appeal to the vast majority, (or the vocal minority, perhaps), who prefer the type of girls more commonly seen in the photo gallery. So, my girls who by Thai standards would be considered cute to beautiful are seen as ordinary to ugly. Vive la difference!
Although it's been said countless times before, and obviously no one cares, the Thais think you guys are chumps for going out with what they consider to be the ugliest women in the country. But, as a friend of mine once said a long time ago, Farang can get those dark-skinned Isaan girls (even non-P4P) easily, because Thai men don't want them.

Re: pics of regular girls
I don't see these girls at the moment and anyway, they're in civilian clothes (except for the topless one..hehe). I wouldn't post pics of girls in uniform for the simple reason that they (and I, if I was found out) could get into trouble because it would be viewed as damaging the good name of whatever uni they went to.

However, there are so many Thai girls posting pics of themselves online, that I don't think it matters anymore.

These days, I've started to meet girls from various web-sites, just for something different. In the last few months I've met about 20+ and managed to shag 12 of them. Most were office girls. One was a highschool teacher. Another was a nurse. A couple were students. It can be fun, sometimes. But, it can also lead to histrionics and melodramas because they get emotionally attached very quickly.

Joulious
02-06-06, 18:33
Juice,

These days, I've started to meet girls from various web-sites, just for something different. In the last few months I've met about 20+ and managed to shag 12 of them. Most were office girls. One was a highschool teacher. Another was a nurse. A couple were students. It can be fun, sometimes. But, it can also lead to histrionics and melodramas because they get emotionally attached very quickly.

Hey OTH,

That's really interesting (at least for me) to know how "real" thai girls react with a "normal" relationship. I don't know where you are from OTH (hmmm where are you from? ;O) ) but what is the main difference between occidental girls and thai girls?

Any information would be really nice... Thanks to spread your loooooooong experience ;O)

PosterLion
02-06-06, 18:58
These days, I've started to meet girls from various web-sites... I've met about 20+ and managed to shag 12 of them... It can be fun, sometimes. But, it can also lead to histrionics and melodramas because they get emotionally attached very quickly.

OTH,

I'm envious! :) My batting average is more like 175. I need to speak with the recruiting staff about you. Maybe they can convince you to come over to our team. We're in dire need of a clean-up hitter like yourself.

You sure pounded the nail in with your comments on histronic attachments. I agreed to meet a lady in her thirties out of sheer pity. She kept telling me how lonely she is and how she doesn't like eating alone and so forth until I felt compelled to meet her and try to talk her out of her misery. It wasn't the wisest move I've ever made as it turns out. Now I am getting five or six SMS messages a day from her. The last one went like this, "I know I can't have a place in your heart, but could you please let me have a little place by your side?"

It's starting to get annoying. Maybe I'll reply to the next one as follows, "You know dear, you need to consider what you are doing when you speak to people. Have you ever considered that there might be a reason why you are so lonely?"

poster...

The Traveler
02-07-06, 02:10
Poster,

I feel for you :)
Guess she is looking for a sugar daddy, sounds like that. I made the experience that honesty is the best way to get rid of them, but don't forget to be polite and let her keep face. Why not just tell her that you got a GF and aren't interested in a relationship with her. PERIOD.
No need to tell her that she is ugly or boring or whatever, be nice but determined.

Thaid Up
02-07-06, 04:30
Juice

I agree with you about the one-upmanship. I started the discussion merely as an interesting topic about what constitutes a beautiful Thai girl in peoples' opinions and it quickly degenerated into a barage of putdowns.

Conclusion: as Thaid-up said, I tend to the Thai man's taste. This apparently doesn't appeal to the vast majority, (or the vocal minority, perhaps), who prefer the type of girls more commonly seen in the photo gallery. So, my girls who by Thai standards would be considered cute to beautiful are seen as ordinary to ugly. Vive la difference!
Although it's been said countless times before, and obviously no one cares, the Thais think you guys are chumps for going out with what they consider to be the ugliest women in the country. But, as a friend of mine once said a long time ago, Farang can get those dark-skinned Isaan girls (even non-P4P) easily, because Thai men don't want them.

These days, I've started to meet girls from various web-sites, just for something different. In the last few months I've met about 20+ and managed to shag 12 of them. Most were office girls. One was a highschool teacher. Another was a nurse. A couple were students. It can be fun, sometimes. But, it can also lead to histrionics and melodramas because they get emotionally attached very quickly.A couple of points to your above post. I have a condo on the outskirts of town. Very few farangs live there. In fact, very few people live in the complex. It seems that most of the units are owned by wealthy Thai business men. They show up in their expensive cars with their girls for some afternoon delight. The funny thing about this scene is I frequently bump into these love birds in the elevator. All of these Thai business man were with Issan girls. So while they are back slapping their buddies in the karoake lounges calling us chumps out of sight of their colleges, friends and anyone else who can see them they are fucking Issan girls. So I take their "chump" comments as an inside joke. It just proves the old adage. There are girls who would fuck and there are other girls who you don't admit to fucking, but you fuck them all.

OTH I realise that you have had some bad experiences with Issan girls and for the most part you have to be very selective. I find the Issan girl who was raised for the most part in Bangkok and wants no part of Issan is the best. I have found a few of those. My current girl friend from Surin went to school in BKK since she was 12 YO and has not been back to Surin for 10 years. She says she cannot stand the place as it is boring and full of lazy drunks. It is all in the attitude. If that look does not appeal to you, so be it. I myself do not like the cutsey look, white skin or round face look. I personnally do not like anyone to have the same taste as me as it only leads to more competition in getting the girl that I want, so I do not understand why guys try to convince others into liking what they like.

Now your last comment needs reinforcement as unless you are prepared to enter into a relationship with these non-P4P girls you could be in for an emotional rollercoaster. I have had friends that have had to change cell phone numbers and apartments due to these "Fatal attractions" that seem to be the norm rather than the exceptiopn with Non-P4P. Once you get in their pants it seems that you have her for life.

So unless you are looking for a relationship, I still think the best place for most farangs is P4P. You are not paying for a service, but for them to leave. Beautiful girls no matter what you preference can be had easily in Thailand. If you want the white skin BKK girls they can be had in the MP's on Ratchada that are frequencted by the Thai's.

The best rule of thimb in Thailand is if you want a relationship go Non-P4P. If you just want sex go for P4P. Yes you can find exceptions in both areas, but you are swimming upstream and the odds are against you.

PosterLion
02-07-06, 06:07
Why not just tell her that you got a GF and aren't interested in a relationship with her. PERIOD.

Now you're giving me advice! Shit!!!

Hmmm...

You know, that's not a bad idea. ;)

poster...

Guinness
02-07-06, 07:43
I have been on a short vacation to Manila

Hey Amgay man, I've been to Manila sereral times and I'm just curious where a "guy" like you sells your cleaning products when you're there? BTW: I have a lead for you; The Astor on Makati Ave, it is in desparate need of a scrubbing!

Please respond in the PI forum where this conversation belongs.

Sorry in advance to the regular Thai members.

Guinness

Old Thai Hand
02-07-06, 07:44
Poster

I was 't bragging BTW, because I'm as stunned sometimes, as anyone as to why it is so easy to shag these girls I meet online.
I've had girls who I've maybe chatted with 10 minutes say they want to come over to my place. I've had them travel from out out town and the first time I meet them face-to-face is when they show up at my door to stay for the weekend.
After the out-of-towners say they want to come to BKK to meet me, I have this patter that basically starts with..."Do you have somewhere to stay?" Usually they answer, "No". I then ask, "Where will you stay when you come to BKK?" If they're coy, they might say, simply, "I don't know", waiting for me to suggest something. I usually suggest a hotel to which they more often than not reply, "Can't I stay with you?" The more brazen ones will simply say they want to stay with me right away.

I often ask these girls why they are so willing to meet me so quickly. I always get the same response which is starting to go to my head (lol). They say, "Khun mee sennay." (sp)...Basically..'You are charming'. How do they know after 10 minutes? It's true, of course. But, how can they be so astute? LOL

I prefer the out-of-towners because at least they usually have to go home. The local ones are a problem if you want to get rid of them.
Your story is oh, so familiar. As someone told me when I arrived here, "Most Thai girls are easy to get, but hard to get rid of". I also avoid the ones over 30, not because of looks, but because they are really desparate by that point and will latch onto you like a leech.


Joulious

I'm from Canada. I hate Western girls and even when I lived in Canada, tried to avoid going out with them at all costs. My last GF there was half my age (21 when I was 42), and Metis (half French-Canadian and half Mohawk Indian) and could have passed for half-Asian. She was quite cute. However, she decided to become a lesbian (I don't think I drove her to it....hahahaha). I heard she switched back after having one lesbian experience...So maybe it was me, after all...mmmmmmmmmmmmm

Saying what the differences are between Occidental girls and Thai girls could open up a brand new discussion.

For me the differences are attitude, looks and deportment.

Western girls are bitchy, aggressive and demanding.
Thai girls can be bitchy and demanding, but usually not. They tend to be sweet, kind and giving. They will take really good care of you. But, they are also (see above and PosterLion's post) extremely clingy and needy at times which gets to be too much to take when it becomes overbearing and excessive.
Western girls, in my eyes are fat, have crappy bodies a lot of the time and are not clean.
Thai girls have great bodies, beautiful faces and are fastidious about personal hygiene. They usually smell really good and have the cleanest pussies I've ever seen.
Western women have lousy fashion sense and often don't take care of how they dress or look.
Thai women dress well (except for BGs) and are always aware of how they look because appearance in Asian culture is so important.
Western girls (especially Australian) walk like men, or more specifically like truck drivers.
Thai women glide (except for BGs who walk like hookers walk) and generally are extremely lady-like and graceful.

I just got back from Phuket where I had an opportunity to see a lot of Farang female flesh on the beach...not a pretty sight. I was so glad I was with a nice, petite Thai girl who actually looked good in a bathing suit.

PosterLion
02-07-06, 08:53
poster

i was 't bragging btw.

i never once thought you were bragging. my comments were a genuine slap on the back. just because you can't understand why they shag you shouldn't dissuade you from talking about it with a cocksure expression on your face. :)


metis (half french-canadian and half mohawk indian) and could have passed for half-asian.

your canadian girlfriend appears to be the northern equivalent of one of my american girlfriends. she was half jordanian and half mexican. she was (and i'm sure still is) the smartest person i've ever known and she was a hottie to boot. her name is alice but she spelled it like this: allyce.

allyce marie ramadan... oh what a memory. i'll never forget that girl.

by the way, what is an occidental?




western girls are bitchy, aggressive and demanding. thai girls can be bitchy and demanding, but usually not. they tend to be sweet, kind and giving. they will take really good care of you. but, they are also (see above and posterlion's post) extremely clingy and needy at times which gets to be too much to take when it becomes overbearing and excessive.

western girls, in my eyes are fat, have crappy bodies a lot of the time and are not clean. thai girls have great bodies, beautiful faces and are fastidious about personal hygiene. they usually smell really good and have the cleanest pussies i've ever seen.

western women have lousy fashion sense and often don't take care of how they dress or look. thai women dress well (except for bgs) and are always aware of how they look because appearance in asian culture is so important.

western girls (especially australian) walk like men, or more specifically like truck drivers. thai women glide (except for bgs who walk like hookers walk) and generally are extremely lady-like and graceful.

dude! you need to go read the lecture i gave to coma and trav about the magic of unlearning and take off those stereotype colored glasses! hahahaha! :)

actually, i think i appreciate the average thai girl more than the average farang, but i don't have such rep001hingly bad thoughts toward our farang sisters. i guess it's because my last farang girlfriend was not a typical girl. she came from south africa and is a professional ballroom dancer, although she also held a job as a computer programmer. i met her at the office so we were the office romance story back in those days.

anyway... you can think what you like about farang girls, just don't start wearing the same t-shirt as that guy sa was talking about! :)

poster

Seeko
02-07-06, 15:26
My TGF defines them as:
Gik; a fuck buddy who is a friend.
Guk; a fuck, someone used purely for sex with no attatchment.

Both these terms are ususally only used in reference to cheating, i.e. if a girl doesn't have a boyfriend or husband first she can't have giks or guks.
Cheers,
Sean
On my last trip to LOS, I read in BKK Post's GuRu section about a reference to "gig." It must be the same term, and sort of explains the origin.

So, is the term now evolved to 'gik' with a short hard k sound ending vice deep soft g ending?

Obviously, one would never proudly introduce one's gik/guk like a BF/GF, but is it ok as a reference or is the term used only in third-person after one's friends figured out the relationship(s)?

Just curious...
Seeko

Old Thai Hand
02-07-06, 15:35
Seeko

It's both Gig or Gik because "K" is pronounced as a short "KG" sound and sounds most like a short, hard "G" sound (with a little "K" thrown in). Kind of hard to explain because there is no English sound that's exactly equivalent.

Sean_Double
02-07-06, 16:36
Seeko

It's both Gig or Gik because "K" is pronounced as a short "KG" sound and sounds most like a short, hard "G" sound (with a little "K" thrown in). Kind of hard to explain because there is no English sound that's exactly equivalent.

OTH and Seeko,

Exactly, Its hard to transliterate a lot of Thai words due to the lack of English equivalent sounds and it has a lot to do with individual accent as well. When I've heard farangs, who speak fluent Thai, its sounded more like "gig,"
and when you hear a Thai girl speaking quickly use the word its sounded more like "kik." Same same "guk" or "kuk." If there is a correct way to pronounce them it lays somewhere between the two.

They're pretty much used as a reference, between friends etc.,to qualify the type of relationship they have with another person or as a descriptive way of describing someone else's behavior. You wouldn't really want to be introduced to anyone as someone's gik.

Cheers,
Sean

Seeko
02-07-06, 17:26
It's both Gig or Gik because "K" is pronounced as a short "KG" sound and sounds most like a short, hard "G" sound (with a little "K" thrown in). Kind of hard to explain because there is no English sound that's exactly equivalent.
Ok. Thanks, OTH.
It's the same problem I face with Korean words. And, what worse is that the government has decided to change all the romanizations in recently years. So, based on Hangul characters used, K's get replaced with G's, T's get replaced with D's, P's get replaced with B's, and Ch's with J's. But, if you pronounce the new "English" words directly, then, it's wrong, since the correct Korean sounds are actually in between the two letters being swapped. Very confusing for a beginner, who may hear different pronounciations, depending on who is speaking--Korean or American.
Luckily, the people I worked with are tolerant enough to accept both ways of calling out their names. Whew... Now, if they would only get more last names and stop using Kim, Lee, or Paek.

Side note: more than once after I have landed in LOS, I almost blurted out Hangul words for short replies, such as 'no, thank you' or 'no problem, nevermind.' And, vice versa, when I return to Korea. Not sure how the multi-linguists could handle all.

Sean,
Thanks for the clarifications. Yeah, I wouldn't want to inadvertently blurt it out in interactions with normal people.

Since I am on a roll: how bad is Valentine's in Thailand?
In Korea, the girls give stuff to the guys. The guys return the favor in March. And, they have another month for singles. Weird...

Seeko

Dinghy
02-07-06, 18:34
Poster - "occidental" in this context is "anyone not Asian" or more specificslly, "not Asian LOOKING". It's usually a term for "white persons of European extraction" (actually the word has its roots in "western" (probably Latin since the spanish translation of western is occidente) , similarly "oriental" has its roots in "eastern")

Oh - and as to the G or K thing - try the word for ISLAND Most say KOH - pasa thai sounds more like "goh". Even more interesting - there is a tendency to "swallow the G" when it is the ending sound in a word - like "child" sounds like "loo" not "luke" - learn by "imitation"

Freeler
02-07-06, 18:57
K & G,

Eggs and chicken, kai and kai are no problem for me anywhere in Thailand . I never get served the wrong food.
Except in the South - Krabi, Trang, Satun.
There the difference between an egg and a chicken is the difference between a G and a K.
Which is which? I forgot:(.
Perhaps some old Thai hand knows:).

PosterLion
02-07-06, 19:13
"imitation"

Dingy,

Thanks for the info on occidental, not to mention the practical Thai spelling class. You're the first person I've had the chance to imitate when it comes to spelling.

If you were to go by my dictionary you would have said there is a tendency to drop the K because it shows the spelling as "look", for example: look sao khun mae. It's funny that there really isn't an official standard for spelling Thai words using the Roman Alphebet. There seems to have been several attempts, but it's like trying to standardize a computer API, which is impossible, because each vendor believes they possess the true standard.

However, I am actually getting better at my pronunciation as more and more weeks turn themselves into months. :)

poster

Prov1
02-07-06, 21:58
You obviously are to fucking stupid to be able to read or you would have seen my response below dumb fuck!. You are just the kind of stupid ass my friend "On The Run" will love to post about and I am sure he will. He hates stupid and ignorant people like you and will not put up with the shit I do, so I cannot wait for you assholes to start attacking him.

It's clear OTG gets a nosebleed every 28 days....

The Traveler
02-08-06, 00:12
Prov1,

sorry, my fault but I needed a dump and OTG reemerged back to daylight.
It was really scary to have him in reach of my appendix. ;)
Now I feel released but bad thing is, he still got the smell on him. :)


Coma,

OTG's diving session was a great excercise which should qualify me for your gay/katoey party that you mentioned about a week ago. Hope 1ball will join us. I will also bring a strap-on and some lube. Agreed ?

Old Thai Hand
02-08-06, 00:54
Freeler

The consonant Gaw Gai = chicken
The consonant Kaw Kai = egg

That's ok. Thai students get 'kitchen' and 'chicken' mixed up in English. Go figure.

Old Thai Hand
02-08-06, 01:37
Dude! You need to go read the lecture I gave to Coma and Trav about the magic of unlearning and take off those stereotype colored glasses! hahahaha! :)

Anyway... you can think what you like about farang girls, just don't start wearing the same t-shirt as that guy SA was talking about! :)

poster[/QUOTE]


Poster

Perhaps you're right about the stereotyping. But, I certainly have seen enough and encountered enough Farang women in my life to make an educated assessment of their appearance, personality and behavior traits. But, it's only my experience. Others I know feel the same way. But, I suppose that's why we're here chasing TGs. if we'd had positive experiences with Farang girls, we'd still be with them. But, hey...my sister's a Farang girl and she's a peach. So, I'm sure there must be others.

Coma Boy
02-08-06, 05:54
Coma,

OTG's diving session was a great excercise which should qualify me for your gay/katoey party that you mentioned about a week ago. Hope 1ball will join us. I will also bring a strap-on and some lube. Agreed?Agreed.

But no lube please. No pain no gain!

Rawwy4
02-12-06, 15:36
Dear all,

Just would like some advice on what I should do. I've read somewhere in here about the link of a Thai girl falling for a guy thinking that he's gonna take good care of her for life and the family expecting a big payout.

See, I think that's where my relationship with this girl is going. I meet her at a soappy massage. She was really fantastic and I could tell from then that she was really enjoying our time together.

I went back to her a few times, then after awhile, she's been staying over with me and not working at the massage anymore. Sex with her was really wild and she just gets so wet so fast, sometimes I can't control myself and relase my load.

I dont pay her per-say but I pay for her taxis(she working at a shopping complex) and her meals.

While our conversations, which is sometimes really difficult as she doesn't speaks good english(so taking the advice from here, she's probably not very experienced in the business - says only did 4 mths b4 meeting me), she mentioned that she would like me to go visit her family - parents in Issan. She even passed the phone to me with her parents on the other line.

When she did go back to her hometown, her mom spoke to me on the phone and I was quite surprised that she spoke quite good english(better than her daughter) and was telling me that her daugther was just talking bout me endlessly and says she loves me and all that.

Now that has scared the shit out of me. Thankfully, I've left BKK for awhile, so I'm not sure if that's how she really feels.

Was it wrong of me not to have paid her? Which might've lead her to think it's more of a relationship than fun? Oh yes, instead of paying her, I also bought her things which were about the same value as you would've paid her for her services(ok, for one night of her services, but she's been with me a few days. She keeps calling me to spend the night with me)

How do i break this to her? I don't want to hurt her feelings. Just not calling her is not an option right now as she has something of mine, which i lent her(i guess i shouldn't have).

Appreciate the advice and help. Thanxs guys!

Wy4

Freeler
02-12-06, 18:46
Raw,

You don't listen very well, do you?
It's too late for you now, but normally we pay the gal and send her on her way. This is the so called 3F method, dude.

Your only rescue is to go on nationwide tv: Dr. Phil.

PS What a waste of time:(