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Paraco Bob
03-03-09, 23:47
Over the last few days the mafia in Medellin has been handing out pamphlets saying they plan on killing anyone out on the streets after 10:00pm. They specifically mention they will kill prostitutes and their clients.

Obviously this shit will not happen in areas like Poblado but all you poor whitetrash who think Majorista is the place to be might soon find a bullet in your head.

I think we need to start a death-pool. My bets are on that Frank guy who is pimping down in Majorista. As several people on this forum have pointed out it is only a matter of time until the locals get tired of the gringo trash in Medellin. That time has come.

Here is the full article:

A pamphlet, spread in a large number of Medellín neighborhoods, threatens its authors will soon carry out a social cleansing of call-girls, strippers, prostitutes and their clients and imposed a 10PM curfew on people in certain neighborhoods.

The warning, that began to be circulated in the poor neighborhood of Moravia on Thursday, later appeared in many other neighborhoods in different parts of Colombia's second largest city. So far, people from eight neighborhoods on both the east, northeast, west and northwest of the city, confirmed having received the pamphlets.

The letter, signed by a previously unknown group called Ogdis, warns parents not to let their children on the street after 10 PM, because the group "will not take responsibility if innocent people die". People found in strip-clubs or places where there are prostitutes after 10PM "are lowlifes and bad men" and will be socially cleansed too, the group writes.

The group specifically focuses its threats on call-girls and prostitutes because they "have infected many with AIDS. "

The pamphlet announces the group will start its social cleansing "very soon" and apologizes "to society if innocent people die. "

The announcement of the upcoming social cleansing came one day after local authorities announced rigid security measures to curb soaring violence and because of the upcoming summit of the Inter-American Development Bank that will be held in Medellín from March 27 until March 31.

Medellín has seen a sharp rise in murders after the extradition of bosses of the demobilized AUC. Rumors say the 'Aguilas Negras', a group allegedly aligned with assumed drug lord Don Mario, has been violently taking control of neighborhoods that were previously under control of the Convivir, a collection of militias that collaborated with authorities, and the so-called Office of Envigado, that consists of former members of the AUC.

Frank Casio
03-04-09, 01:16
Over the last few days the mafia in Medellin has been handing out pamphlets saying they plan on killing anyone out on the streets after 10:00pm. They specifically mention they will kill prostitutes and their clients.Little hard to believe, considering the Mafia lives of the "drugs" that the prostitutes and their clients consume. It must be a new "marketting tool" to kill of your clientele! But then what do I know, I just live here!

Heard about the pamphlet in El Centro! Hate to break it to you Paraco Bob, but there is more police presence in El Centro and La Mayorista than anywhere in El poblado! The last time some "goody too shoes" handed pamphlets like that in Cartagena or Barranquilla, can't remember the exact city, the whole lot of them got their ass rolled off to Jail, and they were'nt the "Mafia" trying to kill off their own clients, just a group of "vigilantes" trying to scare of business!

Frank Casio!

Angryant
03-04-09, 02:57
So, I checked out reports of the pamphlet on PBH and ColombiaBlog. The report is legit. The pamphlet exists and has been around (at least first reported) for a week or so.

Any thoughts? I'm going soon and planning on going to clubs both pro and nonpro. I could live w/o nighttime sgs from poorer barrios, but the question is.- Am I pushing my luck? I mean, none of the strip clubs are in nice areas.

Anyone been out in the past couple of days to see if this is affecting activity at the clubs? I would think the girls would know better than the gringos if this was serious.

Ahh the timing. Aa.

Phunluv
03-04-09, 05:29
I've read about this social cleansing in some non-monger Colombia forums. I'm sure there's some of this going on, but I wonder if it'll go beyond the poorer neighborhoods into areas that gringo mongers haunt. The line about AIDS sounds like bs, this is about turf battles and asserting control over an area.

But if there's any place that needs social cleansing it's probably Centro, LOL! I know some guys here have praised Centro, but I personally wouldn't hang there after dark even if there was no cleansing campaign. Sounds really seedy and crazy.

Hopefully, some guys from the forum that live there can keep us updated with the "on the ground" situation. I think everyone should be concerned about security issues in general. As the global economy continues to go down the tubes and starts to affect Colombia, the chances of getting robbed/hurt/killed go up even without this scenario of being caught in the middle of a "social cleansing" sweep.

Tom 33
03-04-09, 10:41
I've never heard of one crime occurring in this section in all my time there, and much less against a "gringo"!I live here too. Paisas consider la Mayorista dangerous.

This social cleansing thing is no joke. It has been around for a lot of years and is not going away any time soon.

Jchipper
03-04-09, 12:01
Yes, I live in MDE and it is now a city that is being swept by violence and rumors of social clean up crews doing the work of the mobs. I do not think it is a good time to vist here, but if you must, limit you're activity to the higher end casas in the stratus 6 areas. Phase Dose and the San Diego show will most likely not be affected as they are mob run and hang outs for the Jefes of the groups. It is a shame but not worth the loss of you're life or kidnapped for some stupid social reason. My 2 Cents, and keep the gringo trademark sandals and cut offs to a minimum along with loud noisey outburst and high fives from drunken buddies in Clubs or, tell Ricky Bobby not to speak english loudly as if were a broadcast companies Friday nite at the races commercial, he is a sure hit. , Americans, we do stand out don't we.

Bonhead
03-04-09, 12:31
So, I checked out reports of the pamphlet on PBH and ColombiaBlog. The report is legit. The pamphlet exists and has been around (at least first reported) for a week or so.

Any thoughts? I'm going soon and planning on going to clubs both pro and nonpro. I could live w/o nighttime sgs from poorer barrios, but the question is.- Am I pushing my luck? I mean, none of the strip clubs are in nice areas.

Anyone been out in the past couple of days to see if this is affecting activity at the clubs? I would think the girls would know better than the gringos if this was serious.

Ahh the timing. Aa.Honestly, if you blend in very well, you should have be fine. If you are an obvious monger and or obvious extranjero, I would not tempt my fate.

I've lived in el DF (Mexico City) for quite some time and even though I can pass as a local in most Latin American countries, I would not go back to Mexico City (and most other parts of Mexico) until this situation is cleaned up).

MiamiHeatLuver
03-04-09, 17:17
Over the last few days the mafia in Medellin has been handing out pamphlets saying they plan on killing anyone out on the streets after 10:00pm. They specifically mention they will kill prostitutes and their clients.

Obviously this shit will not happen in areas like Poblado but all you poor whitetrash who think Majorista is the place to be might soon find a bullet in your head.

I think we need to start a death-pool. My bets are on that Frank guy who is pimping down in Majorista. As several people on this forum have pointed out it is only a matter of time until the locals get tired of the gringo trash in Medellin. That time has come.

Here is the full article:

A pamphlet, spread in a large number of Medellín neighborhoods, threatens its authors will soon carry out a social cleansing of call-girls, strippers, prostitutes and their clients and imposed a 10PM curfew on people in certain neighborhoods.

The warning, that began to be circulated in the poor neighborhood of Moravia on Thursday, later appeared in many other neighborhoods in different parts of Colombia's second largest city. So far, people from eight neighborhoods on both the east, northeast, west and northwest of the city, confirmed having received the pamphlets.

The letter, signed by a previously unknown group called Ogdis, warns parents not to let their children on the street after 10 PM, because the group "will not take responsibility if innocent people die". People found in strip-clubs or places where there are prostitutes after 10PM "are lowlifes and bad men" and will be socially cleansed too, the group writes.

The group specifically focuses its threats on call-girls and prostitutes because they "have infected many with AIDS. "

The pamphlet announces the group will start its social cleansing "very soon" and apologizes "to society if innocent people die. "

The announcement of the upcoming social cleansing came one day after local authorities announced rigid security measures to curb soaring violence and because of the upcoming summit of the Inter-American Development Bank that will be held in Medellín from March 27 until March 31.

Medellín has seen a sharp rise in murders after the extradition of bosses of the demobilized AUC. Rumors say the 'Aguilas Negras', a group allegedly aligned with assumed drug lord Don Mario, has been violently taking control of neighborhoods that were previously under control of the Convivir, a collection of militias that collaborated with authorities, and the so-called Office of Envigado, that consists of former members of the AUC.I will bet my bottom dollar that this is that codepink guy rearing his ugly head again. I specifically remember him writing la mayorista with a "j" like majorista instead of the "y". As far as the validity of the flyer, I'll believe it when a seasoned monger receives one and puts a copy of it up in here, not some putz with a whole 1 post. LOL

Frank Casio
03-04-09, 21:36
I live here too. Paisas consider la Mayorista dangerous.

This social cleansing thing is no joke. It has been around for a lot of years and is not going away any time soon.So who are the people who live in Itagui/La Mayorista, El Centro, Sabaneta, Envigado, non-Paisas? Of course if you live in a very rich or high end area, of any city in the World, you're going to consider a poorer area scary and dangerous ! People fear what they don't know, that's perfectly normal! We all used to be afraid to come to Colombia because of all the stories, and it being a third World Country and all, and we found a "Paradise"! People that don't believe, are loosing out on this Medellin Paradise!

Well, people who don't want to believe about La Mayorista, are also loosing out on another part of the Medellin Paradise on the Cheap-N-Good, and are paying more than necessary! I suspect that some of these guys writing lies about La Mayorista have vested interests, and either own rental properties in El Poblado or own businesses and are trying to protect them from the competition !

If there is any cleansing, it's going on in Parque Lleras and El Poblado! Where did the last robberry at gun point occurred against Americans? Yes you got it, in El Poblado, right accross from the ritzy Oviedo Mall, the Medellin Mansion! Where was all the media focus recently against gringos? Yes, you're right again, Parque LLeras! Where was the location of the last place that shut down their Sunday BB-Qs with "gringos and cuties"! You are right again, Parque Lleras! I know you guys are really smart and can read through all the fear monguering!

I was just at La Mayorista Last night, impressive! Normally I quote 30% as cuties, last night on a rainy Tuesday night at least 50% of the ladies there were hotties, I was in "awe and shock"! As expressed by 4 other "gringos" that where their last night, their only problem was choosing the "cutie" for the night !

When El Centro is closing shop at 1AM, La Mayorista Strip is oppenning places where you don't pay extra for a girls drink, and where you can talk and dance until 4AM! There are 2 of these places now, with the 3rd being a 24/7, open day and night! Police in Motor Cycles all over the place day and night! Not to mention that a few of the Medellin Mansion cuties where hanging out there last night also!

My friend Rob (changed name to protect identity), a small guy, maybe 5'7/155 pnds. , blue eyed, balled, "gringo" looking, a mile away, World Traveller, first time in Medellin & La Mayorista, dissappeared on me for 3 hrs. As a worry, worry, I stayed up waiting for him until 4AM, and when I finally decided to hit the sack, I took a last look down my balcony, and there he was, standing with a girl, whom he later claimed entertained him all night ! She walked him around, purchased his drinks, without stealing any money, (something he monitored very closely, just in case) and she walked him back to the door!

He told me repeatedly that I did not have to worry about him, he likes being with regular folks like in La Mayorista and was thanking me all night for the great time he had, his very first night in Medllin. He arrived last night at 9:30 and hit the ground running! I had so much fun with him and with all the new "hotties" in La Mayorista, that after having spent a year with every "cutie" in La Mayorista, I became excited again about all the new prospects ! And also with the new "drink and dance" places that are now opened, "every day", until 4AM ! And, at normal prices ! Where "cuties" come in and out all night, and where you can sit, drink and party, before........!

I also helped some really nice, but huge, black guys score for the normal $25, 000cop! The girls where asking them $100,000cop! I guess cause they're a little afraid of the "big package" that they may carry! But once I explained to them that they were very gentle guys, no problema, they got the same deal as everybody else, at no charge from me! This is what I do, help men have fun! Even some of my girls have asked me, "what do you get out of all this, helping these guys have fun! " It's just what I do, I enjoy it, and I do most of it for free ! I love women, love sharing my knowledge, love helping "gringos" have fun here in this "Medellin Paradise", specially since I know American women are so screwed up!

Frank Casio!

Frank Casio
03-04-09, 22:34
Little hard to believe, considering the Mafia lives of the "drugs" that the prostitutes and their clients consume. It must be a new "marketting tool" to kill of your clientele! But then what do I know, I just live here!

Heard about the pamphlet in El Centro! Hate to break it to you Paraco Bob, but there is more police presence in El Centro and La Mayorista than anywhere in El poblado! The last time some "goody too shoes" handed pamphlets like that in Cartagena or Barranquilla, can't remember the exact city, the whole lot of them got their ass rolled off to Jail, and they were'nt the "Mafia" trying to kill off their own clients, just a group of "vigilantes" trying to scare of business!

Frank Casio!It was in Medellin that Uribe and his Military Police first destroyed the Escobar Cartel. He uses the Military as Police in the whole country to fight even the all powerful FARC which used to dominate all the highways, back when nobody could leave the cities without putting themselves in danger! This was less than 8-10 years ago! That's why we are all here now, because the Military Police protects the whole country!

The same Military police that patrols all the highways and byways exiting the cities in Colombia, is the same Military police that patrols the streets in Medellin, keeping them safe! They're all over El Centro and La Mayorista, and they are not corrupt like in Costa Rica and Brazil where Americans are afraid of them! Often they go after the cocaine dealers to arrest them in front of everybody, never consumers, since there is a degree of tolerance towards consumption of Cocaine and Marihuana in small quantities ! They shake down the "traffickers", and unfortunately sometimes they do accept a little bribe here and there, they're not perfect, but they keep them on their toes! Not only don't they harrass the normal citizen, but protect them and are quick to response to any act of violence! Colombia's Military often moves their police force around, specially when they suspect that they're getting to "cozy" with the local drug dealers! They just re-shuffle them so they lose all of their connections, very smart!

Colombian police are taught to "serve and protect", from the Chief In Command, President Uribe, who, by the way, Colombians want to re-elect to a 3rd term, but unlike Chavez, Uribe, believes and respects "democracy"! The Military Police here is praised and encouraged to "Protect and Serve", and they take pride in doing this! They're hawks at protecting the subway system, I've been turn away at least once and questioned another time for looking a little "too tipsy"! They just told me to hop on a bus or a taxi where less restrictions apply! They were nice enough to direct me to the bus stop for Envigado from El Centro! This was at 4AM in the morning when the subway re-opens! I was being a "typical Paisa" and was trying to safe on the "Taxi Fare"!

This "Pride" to "Protect and Serve" comes straight from "The Top", from the man who destroyed the Cartels and saved and restored Colombia, Presidente Uribe! With a little help from good old USA (4 billion US$ given to President Uribe by the last administration to fight "terrorrism", and protect our "american's asses" down here), for which I'm thankfull for!

On a lighter note, my first house in El Trianon, Envigado was very closed to a house owned by Escobar's Mom! Escobar is now burried in Itagui, near La Mayorista and The International Club (Sriptease Bar)! When Escobar's entire Cartel was destroyed, many of the little shops in Envigado which where used to launder money for Escobar, found themselves with a business and cash that nobody ever claimed!

The cartel was wiped off the face of the Earth, and apparently the police didn't have enough records to know which businesses where legite, hence, a few locals, quite a few, found themselves set up for life! So in Envigado, a very quiet community, no prostitution, Zona Rosa "La Bota Del Dia", like Parque Lleras, you will never Know which shop owner once laundered for Escobar ! Many people did that "back in the days" (a little Lancaster,PA slang) !

Frank Casio!

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Justafool
03-04-09, 22:59
Sounds like the Nazis have finally made it to MDE! Or Castro will rise again! Maybe it is just Chavez extending his reach to Colombia via MDE. Could it be that South Africa has moved NW.

Has anyone heard any true accounts of this stuff actually happening? Has the law enforcement returned all the gains they have made to a new group of terrorists?

Where is La Majorista anyway?


Over the last few days the mafia in Medellin has been handing out pamphlets saying they plan on killing anyone out on the streets after 10:00pm. They specifically mention they will kill prostitutes and their clients.

Obviously this shit will not happen in areas like Poblado but all you poor whitetrash who think Majorista is the place to be might soon find a bullet in your head.

I think we need to start a death-pool. My bets are on that Frank guy who is pimping down in Majorista. As several people on this forum have pointed out it is only a matter of time until the locals get tired of the gringo trash in Medellin. That time has come.

Here is the full article:

A pamphlet, spread in a large number of Medellín neighborhoods, threatens its authors will soon carry out a social cleansing of call-girls, strippers, prostitutes and their clients and imposed a 10PM curfew on people in certain neighborhoods.

The warning, that began to be circulated in the poor neighborhood of Moravia on Thursday, later appeared in many other neighborhoods in different parts of Colombia's second largest city. So far, people from eight neighborhoods on both the east, northeast, west and northwest of the city, confirmed having received the pamphlets.

The letter, signed by a previously unknown group called Ogdis, warns parents not to let their children on the street after 10 PM, because the group "will not take responsibility if innocent people die". People found in strip-clubs or places where there are prostitutes after 10PM "are lowlifes and bad men" and will be socially cleansed too, the group writes.

The group specifically focuses its threats on call-girls and prostitutes because they "have infected many with AIDS. "

The pamphlet announces the group will start its social cleansing "very soon" and apologizes "to society if innocent people die. "

The announcement of the upcoming social cleansing came one day after local authorities announced rigid security measures to curb soaring violence and because of the upcoming summit of the Inter-American Development Bank that will be held in Medellín from March 27 until March 31.

Medellín has seen a sharp rise in murders after the extradition of bosses of the demobilized AUC. Rumors say the 'Aguilas Negras', a group allegedly aligned with assumed drug lord Don Mario, has been violently taking control of neighborhoods that were previously under control of the Convivir, a collection of militias that collaborated with authorities, and the so-called Office of Envigado, that consists of former members of the AUC.

Paraco Bob
03-04-09, 23:23
I always get a laugh when I hear stupid gringos talking about safety issues in Colombia when they usually have no idea what the fuck they are talking about.

First, the government in Medellin is taking the social cleaning threat VERY seriously. The idiots here who are talking about how safe Mayorista and Central are must be smarter than the Medellin government and the Medellin police force.

Last night all the poor areas of the city had machine gun carrying police on every single corner. I know someone who lives in one of these areas and she said it looked like a war zone with so many police. This threat of social cleaning is REAL and is being treated as REAL by all aspects of law enforcement in Medellin. Do not let some stupid gringo tell you otherwise.

Second, I saw a copy of one of the pamphlets. It SPECIFICALLY states that prostitutes and their clients will be KILLED if they are on the street after 10:00pm. It continues to state that the clients of prostitutes are BAD MEN. That means YOU guys are BAD MEN. It means YOU GUYS are targeted. Do not fool yourselves. It is all about YOU guys.

No one in Medellin gives a shit about someone calling a prepago to their place in Poblado. But people are sick and tired of seeing street *****s all over the city. The social cleaning is going to take place in the concentrated areas like Mayorista and Central. This is guaranteed.

Now that an announcement has been made they are going to have to follow through in order to show they are serious. I suspect they will do some sort of drive-by shooting in Majorista or perhaps plant a bomb in one of the bars. They will do something fast and efficient in order to send the largest possible message and still get away. Also, you can be ASSURED that when the bullets start flying that the police on the street are going to be looking the other way. None of the bad guys are ever going to be caught. Remember, this IS Medellin. Never forget where you are.

As I said yesterday, it is time to start a dead-pool. My bets are on Frank or one of his clients. Who else is in?

Frank! One thing, I have been meaning to ask you, what is, your level, of education! ? I mean, you write, so, well, I guess so bad, that I, just have to ask? ! There is, no need, to write, like you do, if you went to, at least, level 5, in school. I find, what you write, hard to read!

Paraco Bob
03-04-09, 23:36
There is something else I forgot to put in my other report. The Medellin government has put a new law into effect that prohibits two males on a motorcycle at night time. You can have a female passenger on the motorcycle but not another man.

The reason they put this law into effect is to prevent drive-by killings. The common method to kill someone in Medellin is for two guys to drive up on a motorcycle. The guy on the back then pulls out a sub-machine gun and kills the victim.

The government is so concerned about violence right now in Medellin that they have taken this measure of banning all men on the backs of motorcycles. I would say this shows exactly how serious things are becoming.

I am sure some gringo is going to jump in here to explain how safe Majorista and Central are. But remember Colombians themselves will not go into these areas at night time. Smart Colombians think these areas are dangerous but dumb gringos think they are safe. Remember where the fuck you are.

I am not trying to put anyone off from coming to Colombia. The nice areas of Colombia are completely safe and great to visit. But it would seem many on ISG go to only the worst areas to save some money. What you seek is eventually going to turn on you, and when it does, you will not have a second chance. If you are poor then go to Thailand where things are safe for poor gringos but stay away from the ghettos of Medellin like Majorista and Central if you want to live.

Goga Fung
03-05-09, 01:14
There is something else I forgot to put in my other report. The Medellin government has put a new law into effect that prohibits two males on a motorcycle at night time. You can have a female passenger on the motorcycle but not another man.Also in some places they prohibited any motorcyclists for 90 days.

A have not been to Mayorista, so can't say anything about it. A couple of times to Centro, at nite it does not look too good. Homeless people are sleeping on the street. Also taxi drivers warn you to watch your ass while there. And the girls there mostly are not good looking and sometimes drunk and nasty. So it is definitely not a fun place for a vacation. But during day Centro is ok.

Paraco Bob
03-05-09, 01:38
Frank, you are showing everyone here how clueless you indeed are. Pablo was only killed after hundreds and hundreds of people died. The Medellin police did not come in and kick his ass like you are making it sound. In fact, most people believe Los Pepes were American soldiers but that is up for speculation. Go read some fucking history before making these idiot comments.

To everyone else who knows the true history of Medellin, Frank has now publicly showed how clueless he is. Beware to anyone who takes his advice.

Also, there have been three girls killed already this week. The cleaning has begun.


It was in Medellin that Uribe and his Military Police first destroyed the Escobar Cartel.

Paraco Bob
03-05-09, 01:48
The government put all the poor areas in lock-down last night. There are hundreds of additional police on the streets. There is a story of 3 girls being killed this week but I need confirmation. There is a new law that prohibits more than one male on a motorcycle. Things are changing fast!

The Medellin police are taking this very seriously. It is only a few gringos who are blowing this off as always.

My bets are on Majorista or Central getting hit first. If I was Frank I would be getting my ass out of the city until things blow over.


Has anyone heard any true accounts of this stuff actually happening? Has the law enforcement returned all the gains they have made to a new group of terrorists?

Frank Casio
03-05-09, 03:10
There is something else I forgot to put in my other report. The Medellin government has put a new law into effect that prohibits two males on a motorcycle at night time. You can have a female passenger on the motorcycle but not another man.

The reason they put this law into effect is to prevent drive-by killings. The common method to kill someone in Medellin is for two guys to drive up on a motorcycle. The guy on the back then pulls out a sub-machine gun and kills the victim.

The government is so concerned about violence right now in Medellin that they have taken this measure of banning all men on the backs of motorcycles. I would say this shows exactly how serious things are becoming.

I am sure some gringo is going to jump in here to explain how safe Majorista and Central are. But remember Colombians themselves will not go into these areas at night time. Smart Colombians think these areas are dangerous but dumb gringos think they are safe. Remember where the fuck you are.

I am not trying to put anyone off from coming to Colombia. The nice areas of Colombia are completely safe and great to visit. But it would seem many on ISG go to only the worst areas to save some money. What you seek is eventually going to turn on you, and when it does, you will not have a second chance. If you are poor then go to Thailand where things are safe for poor gringos but stay away from the ghettos of Medellin like Majorista and Central if you want to live.Hey Mr. Paraco "Bobo", new genius of the Medellin Report! The genius that says the Mafia is using a new, never used, "marketting Technique, "kill your Clients"! I have a copy of the Pamphlet, it's from the "Organizacion", a Vigilante group that is always trying to scare Colombians against drugs, prostitution and anything they deem "immoral"! Just a right wing extreme group! It was recently in the news that a group of them got arrested for making the same kind of threats in Barranquilla or somewhere near the coast of Colombia!

Mr. IQ 200, of course the Colombian government is going to take any threats against their citizens seriously, yes, they protect even their prostitutes! That's why they're closing the bars in El Centro at 1AM for a while and not allowing 2 men in a Motor cycle! For heavens sake Mr. Paraco "Bobo" they defeated a 20, 000 strong Farc organization and relegated them to the jungles and Venezuela, and you actually think all those Military Police on foot and in Motor cycles, 2 men strong, each with Machine guns, are going to have any problems a gainst a few "right Wing Vigilantes"!

And by the way, no such laws have applied to Itagui-La Mayorista, they're still open till 4AM, and one bar is a 24/7 ***** Monguering Paradise!

The Pamphlet clearly mentioned "prepagos", wherever they are, which are not considered your typical street *****s! Pre-pagos are the ones found at Universities and high end places like El Poblado, Fase ll and all the Universities! So please read the Pamphlet, if you can read or write Spanish!

My theory on this Paraco "Bobo" guy is that he is a spammer from the ************** trying to scare off potential Medellin clients, or a spammer for the "higher end" Hotels in Medellin trying to scare off clients away from the "more reasonable" priced areas like La Mayorista and El Centro, so all these over charging and inflated establish ments can get rich of your pockets! But he leaves out the fact that the threat is against all Pre-pagos wherever they are at, whether is Fase ll, San Diego, El Poblado, etc. !

As for my "typos" I happen to be bi-lingual! My brain encompasses two complete languages, and after living in Medellin for the last 4 years I'm going to be inclined to make a few "grammatical errors"! With only a 1/2 hour window to write all this, I don't always have time to go back and preview my report! So please refrain from the personal attacks and stick to the subject! I'd like to se you type all this in Spanish with a half hour window! While at the same time Using Messenger with a hot chick who wants to go out with meand I'm trying to convince to. ! It's difficult, I'll let you be the genius, my hat is off to you!

Frank Casio! (sorry no time to review, will edit later)

Hoof Hunter
03-05-09, 03:48
Maybe this can also explain some of the increased police presence. The streets are hot. 14 assassinations in one night across the city???

http://www.colombiareports.com/colombian-news/news/3031-passengers-no-longer-allowed-on-motorcycles-in-medellin.html


Medellín imposes strict security measures to halt violence
Wednesday, 25 February 2009 20:57

Medellín imposed emergency security measures as tensions between illegal armed groups are causing a sharp increase in violence and a soaring murder rate.

One of the measures is that owners of motorcycles in Medellín are no longer allowed to carry a passenger.

Mayor Alonso Salazar Jaramillo announced this following an emergency meeting on Wednesday.

Crime rates have gone up significantly this year, and many murders are committed with the use of motorcycles. This type of vehicle was involved in 183 murders in 2008, and current information shows an increase of 19 percent in the first two months of 2009.

The situation reached a climax last night, with no less than 14 assassinations were reported throughout the city. As such, pressure increased on the local authorities to take immediate measures.

The murders are often performed by two hit-men, one of which controls the bike while the other performs the actual assassination. By no longer allowing the passenger, the mayor hopes to reduce the murder rate.

Another measure that was announced is that commercial establishments in the city are now subject to adjusted opening hours, with exception of some of the most upscale nightlife areas in Medellín like Las Palmas and El Poblado.

Frank Casio
03-05-09, 03:52
Last night all the poor areas of the city had machine gun carrying police on every single corner. I know someone who lives in one of these areas and she said it looked like a war zone with so many police. This threat of social cleaning is REAL and is being treated as REAL by all aspects of law enforcement in Medellin. Do not let some stupid gringo tell you otherwise.

Second, I saw a copy of one of the pamphlets. It SPECIFICALLY states that prostitutes and their clients will be KILLED if they are on the street after 10:00pm. It continues to state that the clients of prostitutes are BAD MEN. That means YOU guys are BAD MEN. It means YOU GUYS are targeted. Do not fool yourselves. It is all about YOU guys.

No one in Medellin gives a shit about someone calling a prepago to their place in Poblado. But people are sick and tired of seeing street *****s all over the city. The social cleaning is going to take place in the concentrated areas like Mayorista and Central. This is guaranteed.

Frank! One thing, I have been meaning to ask you, what is, your level, of education! ? I mean, you write, so, well, I guess so bad, that I, just have to ask? ! There is, no need, to write, like you do, if you went to, at least, level 5, in school. I find, what you write, hard to read!Response to :

Mr. "genius" Paraco "Bobo", I spent the whole night at La mayorista last night, along with 4 other gringos! There were 2 military police in one motorcycle, like every other day, except on the weekend where the beef it up to 4, 2 motorcycles! I don't know where you get your info. About La mayorista, but I think you make it up! It's clear after reading this post that you are a spammer for the "higher end" ***** establishments who want to rip off gringos!

The pampphlet clearly mentions "Pre-pagos" which will not be found anywhere near El Centro! The definition of Pre-Pago is a high end hooker or College girls who only work at high end establishments or "on call"! The Pamphlet specifically targets them, which you deny on the above statements, making you a liar, for either not reading the "pamphlet" or ommitting that "little detail" about Pre-Pagos!

They are also directly reffering to the "youth" in the street corners doing or selling drugs! They are a Vigilante Group called "La Organizacion" already stopped by Police in other parts of the Country! I believe even in the good old USA they have "terrorist alerts" and beef up police presence at certain times and events, like New Years or "Threats", has anything happenned because their was a threat! The same thing happens here, the police has to take these threats seriously and "act" on them, that's why we know Colombia is safe, because of the Military Police presence! Do you think a few Vigilantes are going to kill a bunch of people with tons of "uniformed Military Police? That's exactly what is done in New York to protect from "terrorist attacks"!

So see, Mr. Paraco "Bobo", you make my point, that's why El Centro is even safer now with all the Police Presence! And stop throwing in La Mayorista because it has not been mentioned anywhere, and "no" pamphlets where handed out there, like in Parque Lleras, only in El Centro! And please lay off the racist attacks on my spelling and grammar! Next time, you right your report in Spanish and I'll let you know how you did, ok!

If anyone wants me to email them the "pamphlet" so they can post it, I'll be more than glad to! Havn't had much time to learn the System, as I have had to answer to all this "I'll informed" and "idiotic" reports by this paraco "Bobo"! Thanks!

Frank Casio! (Sorry, will edit later, no time)

Frank Casio
03-05-09, 03:59
Sounds like the Nazis have finally made it to MDE! Or Castro will rise again! Maybe it is just Chavez extending his reach to Colombia via MDE. Could it be that South Africa has moved NW.

Has anyone heard any true accounts of this stuff actually happening? Has the law enforcement returned all the gains they have made to a new group of terrorists?

Where is La Majorista anyway?Hi Justafool,

Just read my rebuttles to Paraco "Bobo", I live here, I´m all over ! Whatever makes sense to you ! I provide the "pamphlet" if anybody wants to post it ! I explain everything in My Reports, it´s not that complicated !

Frank Casio!

Frank Casio
03-05-09, 05:48
Guys,

Here it is, the famous "Pamphlet" on Social cleansing! Read it for yourselves! Notice the section regarding "Pre-pagos"? Remember the definition of a "Pre-Pago"? "Pre-Pagos" don't hang in El Centro, they are high end call girls! Hence, the threat, if any, is for all of Medellin! Oh, and by the way, havn't you guys ever seen all the "street hookers" around "San Diego" and "Fase ll"?

So much for the theory that the threat only applies to El Centro, and not to those areas! Please read the rest of "my reports" in response to "Poraco Bob" regarding this matter, in order to understand this subject!

Frank Casio!

Client 9
03-05-09, 06:28
Colombians do not consider Mayorista a safe zone, especially at night.

After paying for airfare and for lodging, I cannot imagine making Mayorista the primary focus of a trip to Medellin.

Aim higher. (A lot higher.)

Client 9
03-05-09, 06:44
"Social cleansing" is not new in Colombia. These activities have been around a long time in Colombia, and these activities will continue well into the future.

It is very possible that current economic conditions may encourage a new wave of "social cleansing" in Colombia.

Sailor2006
03-05-09, 08:07
Hello to all,

Paraco Bob makes some intresting posts, and everything he has said so far is basically true. This is a pretty intresting topic that I decided to crawl out of my cave and put in my two cents worth.

I personally think this guy Bob goes alittle far, and tries to justify his own agenda, but make no mistakes his facts are correct. Colombia is dangerous. Those type of fliers get passed out and prosititues get killed, it has happend before and will happend again. There are soo many new gringos and vistors coming to Medellin and your only experience is poblado and 33rd street that a false sense of security is created, this is dangerous. So be carefull out there guys.

I went to 53rd (centrol) tonight with a friend for a few beers and a look at the ladies, few police on the street or in the bars, their presence was normal, I have always seen a few cops in those bars and tonight their was only one. The crowd was normal. Everything is going as it should for a wed. Night. I always keep my guard up, never take jewlery or large sums of cash. I always sit against a wall close to the bar or near a doorway. I never leave my phone out and I don't get stupid drunk.

What I find really intresting is that this is old news, those types of threats are made every couple years and some poor barrio girl pays the price, probly a john too if they catch one. But thats it, as far as my knowledge goes there have been no drive bye shootings, or bombing of strip clubs in centrol or any other place.

BOB. YOU GO OVERBOARD HERE

"Second, I saw a copy of one of the pamphlets. It SPECIFICALLY states that prostitutes and their clients will be KILLED if they are on the street after 10:00pm. It continues to state that the clients of prostitutes are BAD MEN. That means YOU guys are BAD MEN. It means YOU GUYS are targeted. Do not fool yourselves. It is all about YOU guys. "

My responce 1. You have more of a chance getting hit by a bus, so always look bothways before crossing a street. 2. We are always targets, by women, stupid gangs ect. If you came to Colombia expecting 100% security and safety please don't come.

I find some arguments here. And agree

"No one in Medellin gives a shit about someone calling a prepago to their place in Poblado. But people are sick and tired of seeing street *****s all over the city. The social cleaning is going to take place in the concentrated areas like Mayorista and Central. This is guaranteed. "

1. If they are going to threaten hookers, and place a curfew on barrios, I think they will greatly mind if some "hoe" is returning from a guys penthouse at 3AM. Social cleaning doesn't decided that call girls are OK, but strippers and casa putas BAD. GET REAL DUDE (most hoes live in the barrios even the ones that charge alot of money)

2. I think people are sick and tired of seeing street *****s where they take there families for dinner and go shopping, but all over the city, have you driven in centrol at night?

3. These threats are mostly effecting the women whom live in the hills and work in centrol and poblado, thats why they placed the curfew at 10PM.

But again this is Colombia, you shouldnt decided to come here and vist without expecting this or atleast being prepared.

With all respect to frank over there, there is security in centrol and other areas but it still Colombia and anything can happen, so BUYER BE WARNED.

Frank and Bob both have agends, Frank wants you to rent a room and bring him MONEY MONEY MONEY! Bob over there seems to have a thing against centrol and M-Street and the gringos whom vist those places, I hate to break the news to you but very few gringos even vist those places in the first place too dangerous, and not worth it really. Now S. D. Tonight I saw 10 gringos, counting me of course.

This also gets me thinking of stuff, maybe I should print out 5, 000 fliers with our "little girlfriend for weeks" name, number and address and pay them to be handed out in the barrios bet our social cleaners would love his virgin auction!

And if I really wanted to start social cleaning I would place a few taxi cabs in places like S. D. Or F-2 and pick up the johns at 3-4 AM when they are drunk and tired, only to be found days later in Rio Medellin. Or by 6-7 handles of rum on a Saturday night in mangos and start a nice fire with them. Not too many exits in that place. Or hire a few hookers who are HIV postive and pay them royally to be freelance prepagos and give their clients true GFE.

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Phunluv
03-05-09, 08:10
Let's not get carried away people. This threat may be legit but it may not even reach the usual areas a gringo might go for the street scene; these turf wars and social cleansing usually take place in the poor neighborhoods up the mountain range.

I've yet to hear of a specific case of a gringo monger getting killed either in this forum or some of the others out there in the past 2-3 years, although that obviously doesn't rule out it hasn't happened (and we just don't know about it).

But if anyone knows of a case mentioned in a U.S. or Colombian news source, I'm all ears, please correct me! :)

(I don't think the American that was killed in Cali a year or two back was a monger; he was a businessman with debts and married to a Colombiana whose family was involved in politics)

There certainly have been cases of armed robbery of mongers in Cali and Medellin (maybe Bogota too) noted in these forums, although I'm not going to bother repeating the details tonight. That's definitely a real and legit danger, and will get worse this year as the local economy takes a hit. Unemployment is climbing back up in Colombia according to recent reports.

I do know there's going to be an important international conference in Medellin at the end of March, so security should be tighter than normal, and the street scenes might be shut down for appearance's sake.

So if you're really into the street scene, or don't have much contacts to "order in" I would hold off on a trip this month just from the conference issue, putting aside the social cleansing threats.

Client 9
03-05-09, 11:16
There is something else I forgot to put in my other report. The Medellin government has put a new law into effect that prohibits two males on a motorcycle at night time. You can have a female passenger on the motorcycle but not another man.This is standard operating procedure in Colombia.

When they murdered Robert Vignola in Cali, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When they murdered a Gringo in Barranquilla recently, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When an armed robbery took place at a restaurant I was eating at in Barranquilla, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When a Gringo I know witnessed the murder of a gym owner outside a gym in Cali, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When another Gringo I know witnessed the murder of a guy at an adjacent table in a videobar on Avenida Sexta in Cali, they were two guys on a motorcycle.

And so on and so forth.

Bobsthrobbinknob
03-05-09, 19:15
The Medellin government has put a new law into effect .....I am sure some gringo is going to jump in here to explain how safe Majorista and Central are.....Colombians themselves will not go into these areas at night time....Smart Colombians ... dumb gringos....I am not trying to put anyone off from coming to Colombia....The nice areas of Colombia are completely safe and great to visit.....it would seem many on ISG go to only the worst areas to save some money....If you are poor then go to Thailand where things are ....stay away from the ghettos of Medellin like Majorista and Central if you want to live.Indeed, Paraco Bob, I agree, and here are some distinct situations where I too, believe that DANGER LURKS EVERYWHERE in Medellin.

I got "kidnapped" by a paisa in La Mayorista, and "held for ransom" until I delivered a couple of orgasms and produced some "leche" a couple of times. Yes, indeed, La Mayorista is not for a weak heart. (90% of the men in LaMayorista were COLOMBIANS, but I guess they were the stupid ones)

I also got stared down in El Centro by several women, you guys watch out for them, they're in lingerie and high heels. They'll throw you down and jump up and down on you till you scream. They even poured a few Pilsen beers down my throat.

Then, oh my god! I traveled on the Metro. Be very careful here, you can get stared down by the evil local girls, and if you look back they may just smile at you and want you to buy them a meal, or even worse, want to go to your apartment and cook you one. Further yet, they may even want you to have sex with them. UNTIL MORNING. And, if you're not careful, they might even phone a friend and have her come over once she's tired and force you to have sex with her while she watches. Sometimes, they call their sister, and they'll both service you. Oh, yes. Stay away from these areas.

Don't venture to Laureles either, the girl at the cash register at the restaurant might just start to smile at you. You never know where just buying a hamburger will lead. Or getting some orange juice at the grocery. These girls are dangerous.

And Parque Lleras is so frightening, all of that hustle and bustle of happy people having a good time. Better duck and run from there.

And finally, I think the biggest thing to avoid, so everyone beware, is that you may meet Johns "friends" at The Penthouse and they may just want to come over every day. Yes, having perfect 10's are a difficult bunch, especially when one is sitting on your face and the other is riding you like the toughest bull in the rodeo.

By the way, I took my "attitude" and my "gold chains, watches, and jewelery" and went into the barrios and just TEMPTED the Colombians to take me out. Thanks for all the advice you guys gave me before my trip, the PARANOIA really paid off.

Sailor2006
03-06-09, 00:38
Bob, I am glad you had a fun time here but give it a rest, just becuase you didn't get mugged, or robbed doesn't mean it can't happen. I realize actually having sex is a great experience for you, I myself enjoy the lifestyle very much. But regardless its Colombia don't disrespect it, and treat the place like its harmless.


Indeed, Paraco Bob, I agree, and here are some distinct situations where I too, believe that DANGER LURKS EVERYWHERE in Medellin.

I got "kidnapped" by a paisa in La Mayorista, and "held for ransom" until I delivered a couple of orgasms and produced some "leche" a couple of times. Yes, indeed, La Mayorista is not for a weak heart. (90% of the men in LaMayorista were COLOMBIANS, but I guess they were the stupid ones)

I also got stared down in El Centro by several women, you guys watch out for them, they're in lingerie and high heels. They'll throw you down and jump up and down on you till you scream. They even poured a few Pilsen beers down my throat.

Then, oh my god! I traveled on the Metro. Be very careful here, you can get stared down by the evil local girls, and if you look back they may just smile at you and want you to buy them a meal, or even worse, want to go to your apartment and cook you one. Further yet, they may even want you to have sex with them. UNTIL MORNING. And, if you're not careful, they might even phone a friend and have her come over once she's tired and force you to have sex with her while she watches. Sometimes, they call their sister, and they'll both service you. Oh, yes. Stay away from these areas.

Don't venture to Laureles either, the girl at the cash register at the restaurant might just start to smile at you. You never know where just buying a hamburger will lead. Or getting some orange juice at the grocery. These girls are dangerous.

And Parque Lleras is so frightening, all of that hustle and bustle of happy people having a good time. Better duck and run from there.

And finally, I think the biggest thing to avoid, so everyone beware, is that you may meet Johns "friends" at The Penthouse and they may just want to come over every day. Yes, having perfect 10's are a difficult bunch, especially when one is sitting on your face and the other is riding you like the toughest bull in the rodeo.

By the way, I took my "attitude" and my "gold chains, watches, and jewelery" and went into the barrios and just TEMPTED the Colombians to take me out. Thanks for all the advice you guys gave me before my trip, the PARANOIA really paid off.

Furysys
03-06-09, 01:24
I emailed the girl I keep in contact with in Medellin, about the situation as I have read here, and there is definitely some truth to it, she reports a much higher police presence then previously, in response to pamphlets threatening to clean up (to quote her "unos grupos armados en los barrios de Medellin ellos dicen que haciendo limpiesa a los raptores de carros") cleaning up the barrios from the robbers.

I, for one, certainly see no benefit in attempting to repudiate the comments that PB makes, and anybody who can brazenly state that there is nothing to fear in Medellin Colombia has obviously forgotten the recent history both of the city and of Colombia in general. I have been there four times, and love the place, and the people, and Parque LLeras (especially daytime at Cafe LeBon), and the daytime casas, and Mango's. And. Despite this runon sentence. One should never forget that we gringos are visiters in their city and country and should act accordingly. If one wants to open themselves to highrisk by hanging around Mayorista at 3am, so be it, that is their choice, but, when you can go to a casa for 60k or less (not even $25), aiming for the lowest possible price is something to be done at Walmart, not in Medellin.

Client 9
03-06-09, 07:43
Hello, BobsThrobbinKnob.

If you haven't noticed, Bob, the Colombia forum is still hampered by full moderation. Some of us would like to create a more civil and more respectful environment on the Colombia forum.

Bob, we're all really glad that you had fun on your very first trip to Medellin.

However, you're not exactly a Colombia guru because you've spent a week in Medellin (especially with John holding your hand the entire time).

So, Bob, please give it a rest. Tone down the bitter sarcasm and lose the adversarial attitude. It's unnecessary and counterproductive.

Bobsthrobbinknob
03-06-09, 21:03
Hello, BobsThrobbinKnob.

If you haven't noticed, Bob, the Colombia forum is still hampered by full moderation. Some of us would like to create a more civil and more respectful environment on the Colombia forum. Bob, we're all really glad that you had fun on your very first trip to Medellin. However, you're not exactly a Colombia guru because you've spent a week in Medellin (especially with John holding your hand the entire time). So, Bob, please give it a rest. Tone down the bitter sarcasm and lose the adversarial attitude. It's unnecessary and counterproductive.Ok, so bash Bob. Fine. I'm sorry I found a way to carefully and respectfully navigate the city ALONE without incident and enjoy a few of the beautiful paisas on my visit. Oops. Sorry for the sarcasm, it just flows out.

Frank Casio
03-06-09, 23:12
Hello to all,

Frank and Bob both have agends, Frank wants you to rent a room and bring him MONEY MONEY MONEY! Bob over there seems to have a thing against centrol and M-Street and the gringos whom vist those places, I hate to break the news to you but very few gringos even vist those places in the first place too dangerous, and not worth it really. Now S. D. Tonight I saw 10 gringos, counting me of course. Hey guy, at $25US a night or $125 a week, I don't think it's about money, money, money! Other places owned by gringos charge for a day, what I charge for a week!

I do it for fun, as a hobby! I've stated that many times! Since there is a cost involved, can't do it for free! I started renting at My Place in La Mayorista after 8 months of partying there with my friends! One day I decided, why not share it with others and make a "little", I stress, "little" money in the process!

Oh, by the way, I was at la Mayorista again last night! Shock and awe! I had gotten tired, a little, of La Mayorista because all the girls knew me and the 20-30 "cuties" were already a "notch" on my belt, I'm not much for repeating! But since they opened the additional 2 4AM bars for drinking and dancing a lot of new talent is comming La Mayorista way!

Where I used to say that about 30% where "cuties", I'd say more like 50% were so now! And you're hearig this from a not too shabby guy at "50", most people think I'm between 34-38! I do good even in Tampa, Florida! I had to phuck my cousins'girlfriend in Tampa because she would'nt leave me alone! She got lucky because we had spent most of the night at the "Winghouse", something like "Hooters", but nicer! Those cute little blondes, scantily dressed, got my motors going!

Well anyways, last night I met "Geraldine", after a Colombian Marketting Rep. For a textile co. And a very nice Truck driver (looked more like an accountant) pointed her out to me! She had the face of an "angel", her body looked thin, but her face was captivating! She was singing with the local "musicians" when I called her over for a drink! She came over and started looking at me with "flirting" eyes, not hooker flirting, and totally ignoring my Colombian friends! When I excused myself to go to the bathroom she left my friends and only returned when I did! Then she wanted to sing me a song, for which I payed the musicians $5, 000cop! I becamed enamored with that "angel" face!

Well, to make a long story short, I asked her back to My Place! When we got there, she said, Oh! I've been here before, just last night! Then she said, but we didn't do anything! I guess she didn't want to spoil the moment! It turned out that my guest, had the same exquisite taste that I have! I kind of believed her because he told me that he often brings girls up just to talk, and pays them anyways!

Well, anyways, this beautiful "angel" turned out, not only to have a beautiful face, but what seemed "thin" clothed, turned out to be shapely and full legs with a milk white little body! I fell in love. She's one of the few girls who hasn't asked me for the money up front! I Just kissed her down there while she m. , she really enjoyed it! I didn't go in because I wanted to impress the fact that I was not in a hurry! I just let her hold my. So that at least she would know, it was no "small matter"! With her I'll repeat indefinitely, and suggested a closer relationship, which she considered! "Geraldine", my new little "angel face"!

My Colombian friends were cheering me because they could also feel the chemistry between us! She wants me to see her tonight, don't know if I can!

Frank Casio!

Tom 33
03-07-09, 00:38
I just received a PM from Bob's Knob. It was a love note calling me an asshole.

Knob and Frank can think and post whatever they want, but please read them with a huge grain of salt.

Frank Casio
03-07-09, 03:04
I just received a PM from Bob's Knob. It was a love note calling me an asshole.

Knob and Frank can think and post whatever they want, but please read them with a huge grain of salt.Tom, why do you lump me with Bob ? I did´nt PM you ! You are the one always following me around, and posting Spam against me ! Relax guy, enjoy live, "live and let live" !

Oh, guys, I might be buying a My Place ll in Laureles, or near Las Casas in El Prado ! Havn´t decided yet, any suggestions?

Frank Casio!

UrbanWildlife
03-07-09, 03:08
I just received a PM from Bob's Knob. It was a love note calling me an asshole.

Knob and Frank can think and post whatever they want, but please read them with a huge grain of salt.It is just a matter of time for serious trouble to find him Tom 33. Walking around Colombia with his attitude he cannot help but take a wrong turn and be hit between his cocksuckers. Anyone who has spent time in Colombia knows these types, and knows what the future holds for them. You make your bed you have to lie in it, and this clueless fool is going to find this out in a very difficult way before long. I am now using the ignore feature that Jackson provides us to use on posters like him, and I suggest others do the same, instead of having reading his shit, and feeling a need to respond like I have now.

Saturday morning,
Just a coincidence but it does relate somewhat to what we have been trying to tell this guy. Early this morning I received an email telling me a girl I had come to know really well from My Space, and whom I eventually met in Cali was killed on Tuesday. Very sad indeed. Yes we have violence everywhere in the world, but in Colombia it is much more rampant. Below is the content from the email.

"I am sorry to inform you all that Jenny is no longer with us. She got shot to death in her hometown of Cali, Colombia, on Tuesday, March 06, at around 6:30 PM. A funeral was held here in Cali on Friday. March 6th at 3:30PM. In this senseless act of violence, a person who stole her purse also took her life from her, as a consequence, none of us will ever be able to talk or see her again"

Sailor2006
03-07-09, 08:50
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted in accordance with the ISG Forum's Zero Tolerance policy regarding reports containing any personal attacks or derogatory comments directed towards another forum member.

Please be advised that Forum Members who succeed in having three or more of their reports deleted for personal attacks against other forum members will be banned under the Forum's Serial Antagonist Policy.

1 down, 2 to go

Will somebody please report this guy's next personal attack via the "Report this Post to a Moderator" link, and be sure to note that it will be his 2nd violation.

Thanks,

Jackson

Bobsthrobbinknob
03-07-09, 17:43
. Thats why you have friends. When I do loose it, and eventually it will happen you are last on my "gringos to kill list". And "anti- americanism" Thanks! Sailor, this is a serious threat. You tell it all here, YOU want to kill gringos, you hate Americans, and desire to scare them all away from Medellin. You reveal through every post what an ugly, cynical person you are. Why you aren't banned from here is one of the true ISG mysteries.

Frank is a nice guy, and in no way has bothered you with his business. Why should it matter if he's in Mayorista, if you, being a "smart" inhabitant, don't even go there? In fact, you not being there makes it 100% more desirable!

Do you really have a list of gringos to kill? Or are you just planning a random shoot one day? Looks to me like you are the one strung out on the sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

Bobsthrobbinknob
03-07-09, 17:53
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_941.html

Not hyped up or toned down, just the warning for US Citizens visiting Colombia.

Fifty Fifty
03-07-09, 18:26
You can have a female passenger on the motorcycle but not another man.So how are they going to tell?


This is standard operating procedure in Colombia.

When they murdered Robert Vignola in Cali, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When they murdered a Gringo in Barranquilla recently, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When an armed robbery took place at a restaurant I was eating at in Barranquilla, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When a Gringo I know witnessed the murder of a gym owner outside a gym in Cali, they were two guys on a motorcycle. When another Gringo I know witnessed the murder of a guy at an adjacent table in a videobar on Avenida Sexta in Cali, they were two guys on a motorcycle.

And so on and so forth.Scary stuff, and I hear that the sales of long dark wigs have improved. Look out guys, I wouldnt swap it for Thailand anyday - There you can have 3, 4 or even 5 guys on a motorcycle and nobody cares. I have seen 4 beautiful girls on a Honda Click, then we all took notice :)

Cheers FF

MiamiHeatLuver
03-07-09, 18:59
Hey guy, at $25US a night or $125 a week, I don't think it's about money, money, money! Other places owned by gringos charge for a day, what I charge for a week!

I do it for fun, as a hobby! I've stated that many times! Since there is a cost involved, can't do it for free! I started renting at My Place in La Mayorista after 8 months of partying there with my friends! One day I decided, why not share it with others and make a "little", I stress, "little" money in the process!

Oh, by the way, I was at la Mayorista again last night! Shock and awe! I had gotten tired, a little, of La Mayorista because all the girls knew me and the 20-30 "cuties" were already a "notch" on my belt, I'm not much for repeating! But since they opened the additional 2 4AM bars for drinking and dancing a lot of new talent is comming La Mayorista way!

Where I used to say that about 30% where "cuties", I'd say more like 50% were so now! And you're hearig this from a not too shabby guy at "50", most people think I'm between 34-38! I do good even in Tampa, Florida! I had to phuck my cousins'girlfriend in Tampa because she would'nt leave me alone! She got lucky because we had spent most of the night at the "Winghouse", something like "Hooters", but nicer! Those cute little blondes, scantily dressed, got my motors going!

Well anyways, last night I met "Geraldine", after a Colombian Marketting Rep. For a textile co. And a very nice Truck driver (looked more like an accountant) pointed her out to me! She had the face of an "angel", her body looked thin, but her face was captivating! She was singing with the local "musicians" when I called her over for a drink! She came over and started looking at me with "flirting" eyes, not hooker flirting, and totally ignoring my Colombian friends! When I excused myself to go to the bathroom she left my friends and only returned when I did! Then she wanted to sing me a song, for which I payed the musicians $5, 000cop! I becamed enamored with that "angel" face!

Well, to make a long story short, I asked her back to My Place! When we got there, she said, Oh! I've been here before, just last night! Then she said, but we didn't do anything! I guess she didn't want to spoil the moment! It turned out that my guest, had the same exquisite taste that I have! I kind of believed her because he told me that he often brings girls up just to talk, and pays them anyways!

Well, anyways, this beautiful "angel" turned out, not only to have a beautiful face, but what seemed "thin" clothed, turned out to be shapely and full legs with a milk white little body! I fell in love. She's one of the few girls who hasn't asked me for the money up front! I Just kissed her down there while she m. , she really enjoyed it! I didn't go in because I wanted to impress the fact that I was not in a hurry! I just let her hold my. So that at least she would know, it was no "small matter"! With her I'll repeat indefinitely, and suggested a closer relationship, which she considered! "Geraldine", my new little "angel face"!

My Colombian friends were cheering me because they could also feel the chemistry between us! She wants me to see her tonight, don't know if I can!

Frank Casio!Wow frank, thanks for such an "on topic" intriging post! Rotflmao

Ricker
03-08-09, 01:46
. When I do loose it, and eventually it will happen you are last on my "gringos to kill list".Man I hope I'm not on your list Sailor!

I've seen you amigo, I think you're gettin close. Hahaha

Rumpus
03-08-09, 06:31
Without prompting, a semi-pro amiga told me this week that she was concerned about going back to her barrio (Castilla) alone late at night, and pulled up a PDF of the "social cleansing" threat (that prompted this discussion thread) as an explanation for me when I wondered (I didn't see who she got it from, multi-forward email). She seemed concerned about looking trashy and had seemed to dress down because of that.

She said that some significant (?) criminal had been killed in her neighborhood 2 weeks ago and people had been on edge since then. She seemed to say the police in Poblado were effective but not so much where she was (unclear if less motivated, less of them, less mandate, or what). I wasn't able to pursue nuance because of my middling spanish. :-P

Note that I've not verified any of this with anybody else yet, or heard of any other killings, but worthy of note.

I tend to be low-key as much as possible anyway, but interesting. As others have noted, we are visitors here in MDE, so best to tread lightly-- I try to take the lead from my MDE friends.

MiamiHeatLuver
03-08-09, 07:47
Saturday morning,

Just a coincidence but it does relate somewhat to what we have been trying to tell this guy. Early this morning I received an email telling me a girl I had come to know really well from My Space, and whom I eventually met in Cali was killed on Tuesday. Very sad indeed. Yes we have violence everywhere in the world, but in Colombia it is much more rampant. Below is the content from the email.

"I am sorry to inform you all that Jenny is no longer with us. She got shot to death in her hometown of Cali, Colombia, on Tuesday, March 06, at around 6:30 PM. A funeral was held here in Cali on Friday. March 6th at 3:30PM. In this senseless act of violence, a person who stole her purse also took her life from her, as a consequence, none of us will ever be able to talk or see her again"I also new her very well through friends and can vouch for Urbans Story 100%! It is a very sad traumatic day for me for she was a sweet girl. Still working on the details but I know she was killed coming out of Exito resisting robbery. Im not sure which Exito either. I was reluctant to post the details though without a link that to back it up. I just saw this girl in January at chipechape, how tragic.

Goga Fung
03-08-09, 22:33
I believe that some those "fears" a reasonable. First of all, Medellin does not seem too dangerous to me, compared to some other places I've been(in Eastern Europe). But one Colombian friend has given me a number of warnings, which I think I underestimated, but now they kinda correspond to what some people are writing here. For example he was afraid to take Metro-cable to the last stations, also walk in the Centro at night, and go to some parties which could be attended by "dangerous" people pretending to be somebody else. Some of these may sound crazy, but it is probably a good idea to listen to locals sometime. Also a taxi driver was looking at us like we were crazy going to el Centro at night, and he told me to take great care there.

Also it looks like here some people are trying to develop this idea that every colombian girl is an innocent angel, nice person, beautiful, etc.. Just because she is colombian or paisa, or whatever. I believe this is not true. Of course the majority are suposedely better than the majority of AW, but there are some really nasty girls. Some can be violent if for some reason they become upset with something. While most of the girls I've met were very nice, I've met one who turned out to be really greedy and violent while pretending and acting a good one when she was sober. I also saw that she receives dozens emails from gringos everyday, and she does not give a shit about them. She just laughs at their "love" letters and picks the most "promising" ones. She showed me some emails, were I could see that gringos are seriously are in love with her.. Later I learned my lesson about her hard way when she got drunk and showed her real face. If you feel something is wrong with her at the beginning(for example, she's too late for your meeting or she's trying to postpone sex telling some BS) walk away ASAP. They can be good actors and liars. Also if you've met her as a working girl, don't assume she does not expect money if she hangs out with you as a GF. It's better to ask her in advance if you're gonna pay her or not and how much. And if you do not know her well, I would not invite her to my place. But it's my opinion only. Cuidate mucho.

I also would guess that most likely Colombians would laugh at us if they read what most people write here. Because, when I read the thread about the country I'm originally from, I'm surprised with how much stupid ideas people come up with and what they think about girls and people in general, even those who consider themselves my country "professionals". So I would assume that in general we have no idea what we are talking about here, unless here are some real Colombians.

Dick Rambone
03-09-09, 02:28
This is a page from "El Colombiano" translated.

The fear spread leaflets in doubtful

The authorities and the Ombudsman to dismiss a real threat behind the intimidating and demanding texts not playing. In addition, security was strengthened in Medellín.

Juan Carlos Monroy Giraldo.- Medellin

Published on March 8, 2009

A pamphlet containing threats flowing from hand to hand and fear on the Internet these days to Medellin. The Government and local authorities give little credibility, but sowed fear andalusia anonymous message spread quickly and find fertile ground in the increase in homicides and gang presence.

With the threat of "time to social cleansing" the pamphlet began circulating in late February in downtown and neighborhoods such as Santo Domingo Savio, Castilla, Manrique and Moravia, among many others.

The pamphlet, written in vulgar terms and without attribution to any illegal group, the initiates against prostitutes, drug addicts, thieves and retailers of hallucinogenic drugs, who blame the increase in crime, drug addiction and even infection of AIDS. It also threatens young people to "patch in the corners drugs" and said 10 pm as the deadline for people in their homes and are "not innocent fall. "

The pamphlet has already begun to disturb the peace of communities, as Maria notes, a resident of La Esperanza, in the northeast of Medellin. "This wheel came and people started copying. If you fear generated over the last few days and is lonely night. My husband did not leave the weekend to take some beers and usually suffer and parents with their children not to go to street until late. "

However, the woman said that people in the industry, who lived in the flesh the harshest years of the conflict, have doubts about the authenticity of the pamphlet and its threats. "Illegal groups not well served, with anonymous, but came and threatened on behalf of the militias and paramilitary groups. "

The unease generated by the anonymous leaflet is also perceived in Castile, Robledo and Santo Domingo. Las Margaritas in Robledo, a young man said, there are combos that intimidate and extort. "And now with the pamphlets, people lock themselves up early. "

In Santo Domingo, or the Popular Granizal, many residents began to leave the street after 10 pm. "People do not leave with so much tranquility and bars and close early. But in recent days security was stepped up, " said a community leader.

Although these and other sectors of the city no one realizes the source and authors of the threats, murders that have been submitted and the presence of combos crime they face in neighborhoods such as Santo Domingo, is the setting for which revived fears.

"There is fear because they have killed many people and there was shooting between combos. The worst thing is that people can not move from one neighborhood as Nuevo Horizonte Granizal to Santo Domingo or the threat of combos. And now these pamphlets troublemaker more fear, "says a young industry.

Because of this climate of tension last Friday the residents of the commune 1 staged a March to protest against violence. In the last two weeks will strengthen security.

But there are also people and leaders who are asking the community not to believe in threats that seek to create anxiety. "We can not let ourselves be intimidated with the first paper to appear anonymous and that spreads like a rumor, " says Jorge de la Cruz, a resident of Santo Domingo.

Demobilized contacted by this newspaper also dismissed. "The guerrillas and the self-imposed curfews when we attribute it to show presence. This is just to generate fear, " said a demobilized from the AUC s.

Campaign of fear unfounded

The authorities in Medellin, the pamphlet lacks credibility, so they call on citizens not to leave anonymous messages to terrorize any obscure.

"It has merit. Was investigated and the conclusion is circulated on a massive scale by curious citizens. Such pamphlets have already been seen here and in other cities to generate fear and misinformation. So we asked the community not to reproduce it only creates an unfounded fear, "the secretary of government of Medellín, María Jesús Ramírez.

Indeed, the same pamphlet and circulated in the municipalities of Itagui, Bello, Andes and Urabá by the Internet.

Police and the Ombudsman also dismissed Medellin a real threat to these texts (see views).

One particular voice that adds to the appeal so as not to spread fear is that of Colonel (r) Ricardo Manuel Salgado, former director of the SIJIN of Police and now a professor of Criminal Law and the University of Medellin.

"In his language development and demonstrates that seeks to intimidate, overnight cleaning areas where drug addicts, prostitutes and common criminals, people who are I'll in any sector of the population, " said Salgado.

As background, the authors recall a similar pamphlet that circulated last year in Santa Lucia, on behalf of the Black Eagles. This was an attempt to end several people uncomfortable to end the course and the noise of young people late at night.

Parcero
03-09-09, 05:22
Things have certainly changed in the last couple of weeks!!

Many of the places that serve the late-night crowd have been empty.

There are military police everywhere.

It is great that they are not allowing two guys on a motorcycle anymore.

Barrio Castilla last night had lots of people, but about a half as much as usual.

Buenas Aires two nights in a row, hardly even a street crowd.

Today, women´s day there were lots more people out and about.

Two nights ago, in barrio San Javier we were there when the curfew cops came and picked up one of the locals just for walking on the street.

After that time, we were the ONLY people on the street when we went looking for a taxi.

It is always good to be mindfull of the ever present danger that exists in any city but even more so in a city that once was one of the most violent cities ever.

Always be safe and consider your surroundings.

Frank Casio
03-09-09, 23:29
It was in Medellin that Uribe and his Military Police first destroyed the Escobar Cartel. He uses the Military as Police in the whole country to fight even the all powerful FARC which used to dominate all the highways, back when nobody could leave the cities without putting themselves in danger! This was less than 8-10 years ago! That's why we are all here now, because the Military Police protects the whole country!

The same Military police that patrols all the highways and byways exiting the cities in Colombia, is the same Military police that patrols the streets in Medellin, keeping them safe! They're all over El Centro and La Mayorista, and they are not corrupt like in Costa Rica and Brazil where Americans are afraid of them! Often they go after the cocaine dealers to arrest them in front of everybody, never consumers, since there is a degree of tolerance towards consumption of Cocaine and Marihuana in small quantities ! They shake down the "traffickers", and unfortunately sometimes they do accept a little bribe here and there, they're not perfect, but they keep them on their toes! Not only don't they harrass the normal citizen, but protect them and are quick to response to any act of violence! Colombia's Military often moves their police force around, specially when they suspect that they're getting to "cozy" with the local drug dealers! They just re-shuffle them so they lose all of their connections, very smart!

Colombian police are taught to "serve and protect", from the Chief In Command, President Uribe, who, by the way, Colombians want to re-elect to a 3rd term, but unlike Chavez, Uribe, believes and respects "democracy"! The Military Police here is praised and encouraged to "Protect and Serve", and they take pride in doing this! They're hawks at protecting the subway system, I've been turn away at least once and questioned another time for looking a little "too tipsy"! They just told me to hop on a bus or a taxi where less restrictions apply! They were nice enough to direct me to the bus stop for Envigado from El Centro! This was at 4AM in the morning when the subway re-opens! I was being a "typical Paisa" and was trying to safe on the "Taxi Fare"!

This "Pride" to "Protect and Serve" comes straight from "The Top", from the man who destroyed the Cartels and saved and restored Colombia, Presidente Uribe! With a little help from good old USA (4 billion US$ given to President Uribe by the last administration to fight "terrorrism", and protect our "american's asses" down here), for which I'm thankfull for!

On a lighter note, my first house in El Trianon, Envigado was very closed to a house owned by Escobar's Mom! Escobar is now burried in Itagui, near La Mayorista and The International Club (Sriptease Bar)! When Escobar's entire Cartel was destroyed, many of the little shops in Envigado which where used to launder money for Escobar, found themselves with a business and cash that nobody ever claimed!

The cartel was wiped off the face of the Earth, and apparently the police didn't have enough records to know which businesses where legite, hence, a few locals, quite a few, found themselves set up for life! So in Envigado, a very quiet community, no prostitution, Zona Rosa "La Bota Del Dia", like Parque Lleras, you will never Know which shop owner once laundered for Escobar ! Many people did that "back in the days" (a little Lancaster,PA slang) !

Frank Casio!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Hey Guys,

Sunday News "Head Lines" from El Colombiano, "SECURITY DEFEATS FEAR IN THE STREETS"- fears from the Social Cleansing Pamphlet ! This has been my whole point (read above) !

Point Made ! This government´s security defeated a 20,000 strong FARC and relegated it to the Jungles and Venezuela ! Did anyone really think Colombia´s Military Police could not protect its citizens from a handfull of frustrated "Vigilantes" ?

Frank Casio !

Tom 33
03-10-09, 13:56
Did anyone really think Colombia´s Military Police could not protect its citizens from a handfull of frustrated "Vigilantes" ?

Frank Casio !Yes, I have my doubts as do most Paisas. You ought to try your fluent Spanish and actually speak to the people who live here.

Vigilantism is alive and well in Colombia - unfortunately.

Do you even know who controls la Mayorista? Hint: It isn't the police.

Ricker
03-10-09, 19:45
... Do you even know who controls la Mayorista? Hint: It isn't the police.Funny you mention that.

Last time I was at the Mayorista, I saw a chica that I know from there sobbing.
She's the little but large chest morena that Col Bog loved so.

Anyway, she had just been banned from the Mayorista by "los muchachos" for fighting with another chica.

She said she would be harmed if she came back "sin permiso" (permission).

Frank Casio
03-11-09, 00:36
Yes, I have my doubts as do most Paisas. You ought to try your fluent Spanish and actually speak to the people who live here.

Vigilantism is alive and well in Colombia - unfortunately.

Do you even know who controls la Mayorista? Hint: It isn't the police.Tom,

The police allows whoever they want to control, La Mayorista or any place where drugs are tolerated! I'm there all the time Tom, where are you? Hidden and tucked away in El Poblado? Of course the Police is not going to deal the drugs themselves! Wherever in Medellin there is a tolerence for drugs in small amounts, the police allows some of these "underworld elements" to control the trade! What else are they going to do, sell it themselves? The police is there to control the situation and prevent "violent" crimes!

I know all the people in control of La Mayorista (the lower escalon), they run away like scared rats everytime the police decides to raid them, and if the police is in a good mood, they might allow them to pay a $500, 000cop fee to keep on working! If their in a bad mood or hear to many complaints regarding these folks, they arrest them! The police is there to protect the people and control the situation! It's a tolerance area for prostitution and small amounts of drugs!

Like El Periodista in El Centro where they actually sell "marihuana joints" openly! You see all the "preppy kids" there smoking their joints! Again, the police is there to protect and control the situation, not to sell drugs, hence, somebody else has to do it and it's not going to be your "local school Teacher"! In any of these areas, if the local dealer starts to get out of hand, they dissappear, like the last one in La Mayorista "El Raton" ("the rat", thus nicked named because he looked like a "rat"), and somebody nicer, attracting less attention to himself, is put in his place!

Does that answer your question Tom? Regarding if I know whose in charge of La Mayorista! Do you think I can be there 2-3 times a week for a year and not know! I don't associate with them, but I know who they are!

Frank Casio!

Relapse1952
03-11-09, 16:10
I don't have a dog in this discussion, but last night the old woman said she heard Medellin was putting a 1000 new police on the street.

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Kodyhead
05-26-09, 05:07
Hi guys,

I am going to Medellin in a few weeks, has there been any update about this threat?

Or have they killed everyone in this thread?I got back, and this thread was blown way out of proportion, as of May 2009.

I read numerous reports on this site, got all excited about Medellin, bought tickets, reservation at El Castillo, and came close to canceling the trip after reading this thread. I am glad I didn't.

Tom 33
05-26-09, 12:59
I got back, and this thread was blown way out of proportion, as of May 2009.

I read numerous reports on this site, got all excited about Medellin, bought tickets, reservation at El Castillo, and came close to canceling the trip after reading this thread. I am glad I didn't.I am glad that you had a good time. However, President Uribe apparently does not share your opinions:


Colombia's National Police Commissioner Oscar Naranja returned to Medellin Tuesday to lead the fight against the criminal gangs of drug traffickers, whose dispute over the control of illegal businesses has unleashed an increase in violent deaths in the country's second largest city.

The anarchy of the largest criminal gangs in the department Antioquia aroused after the capture of crime bosses 'Don Mario' and 'Douglas, President Uribe said Monday before announcing he was sending Naranjo to Medellin for the second time. Medellín saw a sharp increase in violence also before the arrest of these drug lords.

After reviewing the situation of violence in Medellin with the military and police commanders, Uribe stressed that the authorities can not reconcile with those criminal gangs, or deal with appeasement, but demand all determination to solve this problem.

Last weekend at least five people were assassinated in the capital of Antioquia: two while driving in their car and three others in an elevator in the South of Medellín.

It is the second time this year Naranjo is dispatched to Medellin, where violence continued despite his earlier visit and severe security measures."

May, 2009You can find many articles similar to this in English in http://colombiareports.com/.

We have some very serious problems these days in Medellín.

Kodyhead
05-26-09, 20:37
I am glad that you had a good time. However, President Uribe apparently does not share your opinions:

You can find many articles similar to this in English in http://colombiareports.com/.

We have some very serious problems these days in Medellín.This may all be true, but the impression I got from reading this thread, was that they were killing gringos, and girls servicing Gringos. However, I was talkng to some people from Colombia, and I was discussing the heavy security at the airport coming back, which actually made me feel more comfortable that The plane wasn't going to be blown up or flown into a building somewhere, had to do with the article you shared.

Tom 33
05-27-09, 12:20
This may all be true, but the impression I got from reading this thread, was that they were killing gringos, and girls servicing Gringos. However, I was talkng to some people from Colombia, and I was discussing the heavy security at the airport coming back, which actually made me feel more comfortable that The plane wasn't going to be blown up or flown into a building somewhere, had to do with the article you shared.Gringos never were a particular target. Of course they do try to get over on us from time to time.

The limpieza social(social cleaning) has targeted prostitutes. But that is nothing new.

Sailor Jim
05-18-11, 20:49
Gringos never were a particular target. Of course they do try to get over on us from time to time.

The limpieza social (social cleaning) has targeted prostitutes. But that is nothing new.2010 limpeaza was not a big deal and this year there was not one at all. No gringos were maimed or killed. There is no reason to fear this. Just stay out of bad areas, especially at night and you will be fine. If you are still worried have a local with you.