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Wrong Info
02-07-09, 22:09
i have to say that after reading the reports there is so much that is said about ac that is just not trure.

1, . they always give good blow jobs

nothing could be farther from the truth all over the philippines- the girls get very little and before they work in the bar, they are usually pimped out 2 or 3 times already to locals in "the area", where most live in a mamsans house. they get as little as about $2 bucks from locals that only make $3 bucks a day. therefore it is known that the pussy that is being had is usually pretty used and none.- none of the girls like to give head knowing it has most likely been uncovered in a trash dump.

2. ac is the best place in the philippines blahh blahh blahh

ac is not only the biggest scam it is also the most boring placed you can go.

they try and scam you on everyting from drinks. to chery girl scams. if you do not ask and make sure of everything you are getting they will say they are a cherry girl and no sex. they then will try ad head back to the bar to scam some more on drinks. ask first and if you have a problem do not be shy. go to the bar and let it be known you feel scammed. do not take a half refund etc-- insist on all your money back or the bars will scam you.

3. dave fisher is no longer in ac. dave fisher is probably the reason ac is so corrupt. he has totaly screwed the place up, and is now paying officials in subic, accoridng to reports on manhy other sites. to screw that up. people who have beein his bars have been in set ups with **** girls, sites that he was partnered with in ac that were run by a character named trance had protected reports of a marine being set up and charged with [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). it is my feeling they may hav even known of what was going on there---

the poor guy barfined agirl from a bar. wich means she is being rente for sex. and then the next day she claimed [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). she said she was raped by sooo many guys, could not even remember where they had gone etc-- even though she was a bar ***** and paid to oleave to have sex they convicted the marined and dave and his cohorts from the local chat site defended the conviction of that marine on the site.

stay away from any pace owned by dve fisher

mo's.lollipop, vooddoo and many others in subi and his hotels there as well have been known to have people overcharged, search there luggage and even stop them coming in to there room with a bottle of water to say you can't drin it unless you bougght it in the hotel. then call the police if you get upset

long story short--- of all the places to monger. why on earth would you choose the worst in a place where they are setting people up legft and right. one guy got charged with posession of marijuana for buying a pack of sigs of a street hawker. and he didn't even have any. jsut a street set up to scam his money.

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Primo Bolan
02-08-09, 10:55
i have to say that after reading the reports there is so much that is said about ac that is just not trure.

1, . they always give good blow jobs

nothing could be farther from the truth all over the philippines- the girls get very little and before they work in the bar, they are usually pimped out 2 or 3 times already to locals in "the area", where most live in a mamsans house. they get as little as about $2 bucks from locals that only make $3 bucks a day. therefore it is known that the pussy that is being had is usually pretty used and none.- none of the girls like to give head knowing it has most likely been uncovered in a trash dump.

2. ac is the best place in the philippines blahh blahh blahh

ac is not only the biggest scam it is also the most boring placed you can go.

they try and scam you on everyting from drinks. to chery girl scams. if you do not ask and make sure of everything you are getting they will say they are a cherry girl and no sex. they then will try ad head back to the bar to scam some more on drinks. ask first and if you have a problem do not be shy. go to the bar and let it be known you feel scammed. do not take a half refund etc-- insist on all your money back or the bars will scam you.

3. dave fisher is no longer in ac. dave fisher is probably the reason ac is so corrupt. he has totaly screwed the place up, and is now paying officials in subic, accoridng to reports on manhy other sites. to screw that up. people who have beein his bars have been in set ups with **** girls, sites that he was partnered with in ac that were run by a character named trance had protected reports of a marine being set up and charged with [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). it is my feeling they may hav even known of what was going on there---

the poor guy barfined agirl from a bar. wich means she is being rente for sex. and then the next day she claimed [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). she said she was raped by sooo many guys, could not even remember where they had gone etc-- even though she was a bar ***** and paid to oleave to have sex they convicted the marined and dave and his cohorts from the local chat site defended the conviction of that marine on the site.

stay away from any pace owned by dve fisher

mo's.lollipop, vooddoo and many others in subi and his hotels there as well have been known to have people overcharged, search there luggage and even stop them coming in to there room with a bottle of water to say you can't drin it unless you bougght it in the hotel. then call the police if you get upset

long story short--- of all the places to monger. why on earth would you choose the worst in a place where they are setting people up legft and right. one guy got charged with posession of marijuana for buying a pack of sigs of a street hawker. and he didn't even have any. jsut a street set up to scam his money.

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there are a lot foreigners in a. and some scumbags want the money.
philippines is a poor country.

but i think it should be more scams with so much people comming to a.

pb

Hesekiels
02-08-09, 14:34
I have to say that after reading the reports there is so much that is said about AC that is just not true ... AC is not only the biggest scam it is also the most boring placed you can go...



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Wrong Info:

your nickname indicates that we have to read your post conversely, am I right!? :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

LoveAsianWhores
02-08-09, 17:48
i have to say that after reading the reports there is so much that is said about ac that is just not trure.

1, . they always give good blow jobs

nothing could be farther from the truth all over the philippines- the girls get very little and before they work in the bar, they are usually pimped out 2 or 3 times already to locals in "the area", where most live in a mamsans house. they get as little as about $2 bucks from locals that only make $3 bucks a day. therefore it is known that the pussy that is being had is usually pretty used and none.- none of the girls like to give head knowing it has most likely been uncovered in a trash dump.

2. ac is the best place in the philippines blahh blahh blahh

ac is not only the biggest scam it is also the most boring placed you can go.

they try and scam you on everyting from drinks. to chery girl scams. if you do not ask and make sure of everything you are getting they will say they are a cherry girl and no sex. they then will try ad head back to the bar to scam some more on drinks. ask first and if you have a problem do not be shy. go to the bar and let it be known you feel scammed. do not take a half refund etc-- insist on all your money back or the bars will scam you.

3. dave fisher is no longer in ac. dave fisher is probably the reason ac is so corrupt. he has totaly screwed the place up, and is now paying officials in subic, accoridng to reports on manhy other sites. to screw that up. people who have beein his bars have been in set ups with **** girls, sites that he was partnered with in ac that were run by a character named trance had protected reports of a marine being set up and charged with [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). it is my feeling they may hav even known of what was going on there---

the poor guy barfined agirl from a bar. wich means she is being rente for sex. and then the next day she claimed [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). she said she was raped by sooo many guys, could not even remember where they had gone etc-- even though she was a bar ***** and paid to oleave to have sex they convicted the marined and dave and his cohorts from the local chat site defended the conviction of that marine on the site.

stay away from any pace owned by dve fisher

mo's.lollipop, vooddoo and many others in subi and his hotels there as well have been known to have people overcharged, search there luggage and even stop them coming in to there room with a bottle of water to say you can't drin it unless you bougght it in the hotel. then call the police if you get upset

long story short--- of all the places to monger. why on earth would you choose the worst in a place where they are setting people up legft and right. one guy got charged with posession of marijuana for buying a pack of sigs of a street hawker. and he didn't even have any. jsut a street set up to scam his money.

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.i enjoyed your post, but you should keep in mind that there are many newbies here that might not recognize scarcasm (even with a name like wrong info, some guys might still not get it).

also, there are quite a few scams in ac, and we wouldn't want newbies thinking that they are all just made up.

Go Big Red
02-09-09, 08:56
what a complete load of crap. i"ve never thought that ac was a great place for blowjobs, just average.

ac is hardly the best place blahblahblah...just the most convenient! i will give you credit for one real fact in your post, namely that ac is boring if you're not mongering.

dave fisher is paying people off as reported by other sites? how about citing some of those posts with actual facts, instead of hearsay? while i may not approve of his business practices (he is very cut throat but that's his business) he has never cheated me and on one occasion refunded my money for a non-performer barfine.

oh , and while you're trying to smear dave. why don't you post some factual accounts of him and "trance" setting up guys guys with **** girls? has either one been charged? no, of course not. you're just relying on hearsay. i suspect that you have issues with dave and trance for whatever reason, maybe trance banned you from his own board for being a "fucktard" ?

by the way, the incident with the marine was a few years ago and its only been within the past year that dave has sold all his ac holdings and moved to subic so i'm not quite sure how that applied to the case with the marine. or are you saying they must be wrong for having an opinion? and are you suggesting that every marine is pure as fresh snow and have never done anything wrong?

congrats on picking a great handle, you really do post "wrong info". now crawl back in the woodwork like the cockroach you are.



i have to say that after reading the reports there is so much that is said about ac that is just not trure.

1, . they always give good blow jobs

nothing could be farther from the truth all over the philippines- the girls get very little and before they work in the bar, they are usually pimped out 2 or 3 times already to locals in "the area", where most live in a mamsans house. they get as little as about $2 bucks from locals that only make $3 bucks a day. therefore it is known that the pussy that is being had is usually pretty used and none.- none of the girls like to give head knowing it has most likely been uncovered in a trash dump.

2. ac is the best place in the philippines blahh blahh blahh

ac is not only the biggest scam it is also the most boring placed you can go.

they try and scam you on everyting from drinks. to chery girl scams. if you do not ask and make sure of everything you are getting they will say they are a cherry girl and no sex. they then will try ad head back to the bar to scam some more on drinks. ask first and if you have a problem do not be shy. go to the bar and let it be known you feel scammed. do not take a half refund etc-- insist on all your money back or the bars will scam you.

3. dave fisher is no longer in ac. dave fisher is probably the reason ac is so corrupt. he has totaly screwed the place up, and is now paying officials in subic, accoridng to reports on manhy other sites. to screw that up. people who have beein his bars have been in set ups with **** girls, sites that he was partnered with in ac that were run by a character named trance had protected reports of a marine being set up and charged with [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). it is my feeling they may hav even known of what was going on there---

the poor guy barfined agirl from a bar. wich means she is being rente for sex. and then the next day she claimed [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). she said she was raped by sooo many guys, could not even remember where they had gone etc-- even though she was a bar ***** and paid to oleave to have sex they convicted the marined and dave and his cohorts from the local chat site defended the conviction of that marine on the site.

stay away from any pace owned by dve fisher

mo's.lollipop, vooddoo and many others in subi and his hotels there as well have been known to have people overcharged, search there luggage and even stop them coming in to there room with a bottle of water to say you can't drin it unless you bougght it in the hotel. then call the police if you get upset

long story short--- of all the places to monger. why on earth would you choose the worst in a place where they are setting people up legft and right. one guy got charged with posession of marijuana for buying a pack of sigs of a street hawker. and he didn't even have any. jsut a street set up to scam his money.

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Wrong Info
02-09-09, 21:09
The other thing that bothers me so much about AC and The Philippines is.

The posts from Bar Owners to post mis info. They generaly come on later to post against anything unflattering to the scams they pull. They use lofty expressions, and try and discredit posters. Quoting typos or some other nonsense. But they only purpose they have is to hide the reality of the scams they pull.

For example when Trance from another popular board would ban people for saying anything about his buddy Dave Fisher- that is a well known scam artist there. It has also been found that Dave Fisher has claimed to be married to a high ranking officail in the Charitable organization business. So even their charity has lots of big Question marks.

More like spraying perfume on a turd and trying to hide the smell- but it is still a turd.

Most will say things like. I don't mind overpaying as I get a better service.

Wrong. The bars are mostly owneed by foriegners or ballybakyins (philipnos from america), and their only goal is to sepreate you from your money. They want you to do the american strip club thing.

Lets see if you go in a VIP room in the States. What do you get- 3 songs and a grind for $100 bucks. And a tab for a drink that is $200.

The same thing you could have gotten where you sit for $20.

So posters that spout tha crap are obviously trying to spread misinfo for one reason they have some relationship with a bar and want to scam you. If you overpay. The girl will treat you like a target and you will get less service than the guy that comes in and pays the very least.

Your ghosts wil haunt you. Do not tell anyone, I repeat anyone, not a bar owner or anyone your personall info when in the Philippines. The set ups are done by everyone from the bar owners to the girls.

The small potatoes guy is the guy who has the best time with no risk of scams or being called and told he has a baby in the Philippines.

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Wrong Info
02-09-09, 21:37
sounds like you had fun-

a caution though from your report

girls going hot and cold and sending text messages arguing etc are a big red flag.

metting her mom was a invitation to meet the family and her barangay offical. they then generaly will test to see if you have money etc- they then are known to set you up, knowing you have spoken with their barangay official and he has told you he can get you out of tight spots just call them.

what usually happens here is the start of a set up that will end up costing you thousands. they have been known to try and start fights. claim you hit them and call the cops then show heated text messages to prove you were threatingin and abusive blahh blahh blahh.

the philippines is much different. every cop sees these as opportunitys to make $$$. most girls are already working with the cops. and they will continue and the cop will let you know that in the philippines you have to prove you did not do it etc-- they will tell you pay off or go to jail.

sometimes jail can be bad or good. if you are lucky they may take it easy and jsut charge a littel more for the involvement of the other cops now. usually thsi is now spread and everyoe involved wants a piece.

not saying she was doig this. but fellas cmon a bar girl is a bar girl. and they are ther to make money and could care less if you get thrown in jail and deported and listed a [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126). sex offender. woman beater.- whatever they can claim and semi-prove to get the most $$$

LoveAsianWhores
02-10-09, 06:43
Dave Fisher is paying people off as reported by other sites? How about citing some of those posts with actual facts, instead of hearsay? Dave is a great guy, and I am quite sure he pays people off, just like every other bar owner AC, Subic, Manila, etc. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. All gogo bars in AC break numerous laws that are not enforced because of payoffs. Keep in mind that it is the corruption that allows us to enjoy our hobby. Get caught picking up a prostitute in the West and no bribe will get you out of it. Sometimes the corruption and payoffs go to far, but in general, they are a mongers best friend.

Blackangst
02-10-09, 16:55
Wronginfo...man, your posts are filled with so much ambiguity and cliches I dont even know where to begin. This isnt a flame room so im not going to address your posts line by line, but. although some of your posts contain facts, most of it is the exception and not the rule. I dont know if you intended it to come off that way, but it did.

Anyway. I dont know what your beef with the PI is, but your posts contain exceptions and cliches and may give the wrong impression to newbies.

Wrong Info
02-10-09, 18:40
black angst,

i appreciate your post as i know you are well intending - lol

i mostly appreciate you challenging my acuracy of information so i will easily prove my post are indeed fact and that is easily doable in one sentence proven by a worldwide coruption report.

the philippines was voted the most corupt country in asia by the asian leaders.

this is no secret and has been that way for many generations now. the facts i have posted are indeed true- the bars that are owned by dave fisher are indeed his bars. trance is indeed his friend and anyone who has read that local board has seen the mass bannings of anyone that posts being scammed in his bars.

further. it is far from the exception. in fact most studies have found that at least 40 % of foriegners visiting the philippines report some sort of mistake or overcharging or in the case of one recent visitor actually got shot just walking into his hotel room. on or about mrach of last year the hotel so many have included in their posts. the americana. was robbed at gun point and the robbers went from room to room collecting the goods.

the country is overthrown almost every year by someone that wants to control it. and they usually have no problem taking over government facilities.

intel recently pulled all of their operations out of the phillipiines citing corution as the main reason.

so i do indeed wish you the best if that is where you are going but do not fool yourself into thinking that a bar girl saying she loves you. that has been hammered already 4 or 5 times for as little as $2 bucks or a cp card, by loclas and expats that she calls daily before work. when she tells you that she needs money for here sister or mother or whatever anstarts arguments by text is doing it becuase she loves your handsome self.

i used to go every three months and do indeed have family that resides there, and can tell you fm every one i have spoken with there is alwasy a attempt on every one that visits there to scam in some way. bars do it openly and often. especially if you are the only customer as has been reported is the curent situation in many bars. this is among the least of yoru worries.

on the outside girls have been setting up customers saying. " i will bring my friend over she neeeds some sleep", then after they arive a cop is banging on the door claiming he got a report of a **** girl. the girls may be from a bar or someone you have known in the past, but the friend is claiming **** and they then start the pcess of seperating you from money.

(this is again not happening to everyone, but is happening and beiing reported 2 or 3 times a monmth on many sites, and for every one reported it has most likely happened 100 times)

the one that is often taxed upon visitors and expats living there is the ticket scam. tourists are sold by hotel counters, or shops, on the ideal of renting a scooter to get them around. they are pulled over by the cops and told for some reason they went the wrong way, or don't have the correct papers etc-- that they need to take the bike and impound it and it could cist several hundred to get back.--ofcourse then usually for about 1000 to 1500 pesos it is handled on spot. (this is not just limited to the philippines but is a common occurance in most asian destinations)

so my freind again thankyou for giving me a voice to show my posts are indeed no flame. yet a true attempt to keep the unsespecting from falling prey by these unscrupulous owners and scammers. so that there vacation may be as enjoyable as possible.

may i ask what is your motivation for posting, as it seems that ther are so many other posts you could reply to that are indeed positive, yet you seem to want to give mine the only credit to reply to?

good luck. and pardon the typo as i am on a laptop now and in between things.

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Hesekiels
02-10-09, 22:42
The other thing that bothers me so much about AC and The Philippines is...




Wrong Info:

Fine, you made your point! But now I am wondering if there is any positive experience you would like to share with us? Just pure curiousity!

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Wrong Info
02-11-09, 02:56
Fair enough point taken. But understand the reason for the post was to caution readers and people who have never been of the current situation in AC Philippines. As it has reached a fever point to where many bar owners are even considering shutting down because of even the corruption being forced upon them, bribes, and scams.

I can post many good experiences in the Philippines. However caution that if you are not willing to question, ask, and be forthright, then you are most likely going to get targeted for things like drink overcharging and girl run outs, etc. They prey on the meek that do not ask. Just as in the states the sucker in the club gets the worst and pays the most: I often go in and do not even get a lap dance and bang hookers on a regular basis for less than I would have spent on 1 VIP visit.

Ok. For the good times;

Cebu is my favorite and of course the Silver Dollar is my fav bar there. The Reason I like Cebu city is because you do get out and get around more with more to do. As well if you go down by the Mercedes Hotel there are many so called Managers. LOL. That are selling the young girls from the apartments that house them in closet sized rooms. For as little as 3 to 500 pesos short time. This is a starting point and they will try and bargain from there. But you can get a nice tight young girl for 300 pesos at times.

The down part of Cebu is things are spread out, they have lots of bars that charge a premium and are wayyy to expensive, and the drip is rampant as in all areas of the Philippines.-- but the woman are leeps and bounds better than anything you will find in AC and the people are more laid back.

Last but far from least. I have never had any girl in Cebu try and claim Cherry girl after I bought her a drink or bar fined her. The same goes for Manila. In Manila the cheep option can be had readily at LA Cafe and that would suite me fine over fighting in every bar of AC to keep from getting overcharged on drinks

AC. Notes\\ there are few things to be said on a positive note. There can be good times had as long as you stay away from the lower Fields Bars.- aka TYPHOONS the absolute worst. Blue Nile famous for runners and rumored that mamas train girls to be runners. Stinky Nasty Dirty Duck. A big Dump Truck. Dollhouse has some of the ugliest girls I have ever seen and charges more than most. And so on for all the bars on lower fields.

Travel around and up by checkpoint and the bars get better. Although closing earlier. I tend to like the "stampede as my all time favorite", although there have even been some negative reports from there as to the girls attitudes changing etc.

The food is overpriced and they consider you trapped in AC and Subic. As well as there have been so many reports on other boards of people having serious problems, it just is not worth it In My Humble Opinion.

There are many other places in the world I have gone, and continue to go, and I hate to see anyone waste their time on a place that is truly a hunk of junk. The beds for example in AC you will find to be horrendous in all but the very expensive hotels. In all other cities in the Philippines you can still get decent room and bed for less than $40.not AC.

As always if you are looking for love, a bar girl is not the place to be looking. So many service personnel have sent money, done favors, etc, for adds they responded to on the internet, just to find out the girl they thought she was is far from true. Donít you fall into that category.

Fair enough point taken. But understand the reason for the post was to caution readers and people who have never been of the current situation in AC Philippines. As it has reached a fever point to where many bar owners are even considering shutting down because of even the corruption being forced upon them, bribes, and scams.

I can post many good experiences in the Philippines. However caution that if you are not willing to question, ask, and be forthright, then you are most likely going to get targeted for things like drink overcharging and girl run outs, etc. They prey on the meek that do not ask. Just as in the states the sucker in the club gets the worst and pays the most: I often go in and do not even get a lap dance and bang hookers on a regular basis for less than I would have spent on 1 VIP visit.

Ok. For the good times;

Cebu is my favorite and of course the Silver Dollar is my fav bar there. The Reason I like Cebu city is because you do get out and get around more with more to do. As well if you go down by the Mercedes Hotel there are many so called Managers. LOL. That are selling the young girls from the apartments that house them in closet sized rooms. For as little as 3 to 500 pesos short time. This is a starting point and they will try and bargain from there. But you can get a nice tight young girl for 300 pesos at times.

The down part of Cebu is things are spread out, they have lots of bars that charge a premium and are wayyy to expensive, and the drip is rampant as in all areas of the Philippines.-- but the woman are leeps and bounds better than anything you will find in AC and the people are more laid back.

Last but far from least. I have never had any girl in Cebu try and claim Cherry girl after I bought her a drink or bar fined her. The same goes for Manila. In Manila the cheep option can be had readily at LA Cafe and that would suite me fine over fighting in every bar of AC to keep from getting overcharged on drinks

AC. Notes\\ there are few things to be said on a positive note. There can be good times had as long as you stay away from the lower Fields Bars.- aka TYPHOONS the absolute worst. Blue Nile famous for runners and rumored that mamas train girls to be runners. Stinky Nasty Dirty Duck. A big Dump Truck. Dollhouse has some of the ugliest girls I have ever seen and charges more than most. And so on for all the bars on lower fields.

Travel around and up by checkpoint and the bars get better. Although closing earlier. I tend to like the "stampede as my all time favorite", although there have even been some negative reports from there as to the girls attitudes changing etc.

The food is overpriced and they consider you trapped in AC and Subic. As well as there have been so many reports on other boards of people having serious problems, it just is not worth it In My Humble Opinion.

There are many other places in the world I have gone, and continue to go, and I hate to see anyone waste their time on a place that is truly a hunk of junk. The beds for example in AC you will find to be horrendous in all but the very expensive hotels. In all other cities in the Philippines you can still get decent room and bed for less than $40.not AC.

As always if you are looking for love, a bar girl is not the place to be looking. So many service personnel have sent money, done favors, etc, for adds they responded to on the internet, just to find out the girl they thought she was is far from true. Donít you fall into that category.

X Man
02-11-09, 10:53
I bent over backwards hearing from the unique position of Wrong Info.

In the end, I think he has an agenda and wish he would just get quiet....maybe get a life.

X


Fair enough point taken. But understand the reason for the post was to caution readers and people who have never been of the current situation in AC Philippines. As it has reached a fever point to where many bar owners are even considering shutting down because of even the corruption being forced upon them, bribes, and scams.

I can post many good experiences in the Philippines. However caution that if you are not willing to question, ask, and be forthright, then you are most likely going to get targeted for things like drink overcharging and girl run outs, etc. They prey on the meek that do not ask. Just as in the states the sucker in the club gets the worst and pays the most: I often go in and do not even get a lap dance and bang hookers on a regular basis for less than I would have spent on 1 VIP visit.

Ok. For the good times;

Cebu is my favorite and of course the Silver Dollar is my fav bar there. The Reason I like Cebu city is because you do get out and get around more with more to do. As well if you go down by the Mercedes Hotel there are many so called Managers. LOL. That are selling the young girls from the apartments that house them in closet sized rooms. For as little as 3 to 500 pesos short time. This is a starting point and they will try and bargain from there. But you can get a nice tight young girl for 300 pesos at times.

The down part of Cebu is things are spread out, they have lots of bars that charge a premium and are wayyy to expensive, and the drip is rampant as in all areas of the Philippines.-- but the woman are leeps and bounds better than anything you will find in AC and the people are more laid back.

Last but far from least. I have never had any girl in Cebu try and claim Cherry girl after I bought her a drink or bar fined her. The same goes for Manila. In Manila the cheep option can be had readily at LA Cafe and that would suite me fine over fighting in every bar of AC to keep from getting overcharged on drinks

AC. Notes\\ there are few things to be said on a positive note. There can be good times had as long as you stay away from the lower Fields Bars.- aka TYPHOONS the absolute worst. Blue Nile famous for runners and rumored that mamas train girls to be runners. Stinky Nasty Dirty Duck. A big Dump Truck. Dollhouse has some of the ugliest girls I have ever seen and charges more than most. And so on for all the bars on lower fields.

Travel around and up by checkpoint and the bars get better. Although closing earlier. I tend to like the "stampede as my all time favorite", although there have even been some negative reports from there as to the girls attitudes changing etc.

The food is overpriced and they consider you trapped in AC and Subic. As well as there have been so many reports on other boards of people having serious problems, it just is not worth it In My Humble Opinion.

There are many other places in the world I have gone, and continue to go, and I hate to see anyone waste their time on a place that is truly a hunk of junk. The beds for example in AC you will find to be horrendous in all but the very expensive hotels. In all other cities in the Philippines you can still get decent room and bed for less than $40.not AC.

As always if you are looking for love, a bar girl is not the place to be looking. So many service personnel have sent money, done favors, etc, for adds they responded to on the internet, just to find out the girl they thought she was is far from true. Donít you fall into that category.

Fair enough point taken. But understand the reason for the post was to caution readers and people who have never been of the current situation in AC Philippines. As it has reached a fever point to where many bar owners are even considering shutting down because of even the corruption being forced upon them, bribes, and scams.

I can post many good experiences in the Philippines. However caution that if you are not willing to question, ask, and be forthright, then you are most likely going to get targeted for things like drink overcharging and girl run outs, etc. They prey on the meek that do not ask. Just as in the states the sucker in the club gets the worst and pays the most: I often go in and do not even get a lap dance and bang hookers on a regular basis for less than I would have spent on 1 VIP visit.

Ok. For the good times;

Cebu is my favorite and of course the Silver Dollar is my fav bar there. The Reason I like Cebu city is because you do get out and get around more with more to do. As well if you go down by the Mercedes Hotel there are many so called Managers. LOL. That are selling the young girls from the apartments that house them in closet sized rooms. For as little as 3 to 500 pesos short time. This is a starting point and they will try and bargain from there. But you can get a nice tight young girl for 300 pesos at times.

The down part of Cebu is things are spread out, they have lots of bars that charge a premium and are wayyy to expensive, and the drip is rampant as in all areas of the Philippines.-- but the woman are leeps and bounds better than anything you will find in AC and the people are more laid back.

Last but far from least. I have never had any girl in Cebu try and claim Cherry girl after I bought her a drink or bar fined her. The same goes for Manila. In Manila the cheep option can be had readily at LA Cafe and that would suite me fine over fighting in every bar of AC to keep from getting overcharged on drinks

AC. Notes\\ there are few things to be said on a positive note. There can be good times had as long as you stay away from the lower Fields Bars.- aka TYPHOONS the absolute worst. Blue Nile famous for runners and rumored that mamas train girls to be runners. Stinky Nasty Dirty Duck. A big Dump Truck. Dollhouse has some of the ugliest girls I have ever seen and charges more than most. And so on for all the bars on lower fields.

Travel around and up by checkpoint and the bars get better. Although closing earlier. I tend to like the "stampede as my all time favorite", although there have even been some negative reports from there as to the girls attitudes changing etc.

The food is overpriced and they consider you trapped in AC and Subic. As well as there have been so many reports on other boards of people having serious problems, it just is not worth it In My Humble Opinion.

There are many other places in the world I have gone, and continue to go, and I hate to see anyone waste their time on a place that is truly a hunk of junk. The beds for example in AC you will find to be horrendous in all but the very expensive hotels. In all other cities in the Philippines you can still get decent room and bed for less than $40.not AC.

As always if you are looking for love, a bar girl is not the place to be looking. So many service personnel have sent money, done favors, etc, for adds they responded to on the internet, just to find out the girl they thought she was is far from true. Donít you fall into that category.

Blink157
02-11-09, 11:05
hehehe,

ok wrong info I read your posts here. AC aint heaven but its the best and the fastest getaway for me on weekends. First of all its cheap and good in places where I eat. Swiss chalet, magaritha station sometimes pizza from Carousel bistro I love it and its cheap, compared to Manila or to Makati. Gasthof (newly opened in Makati) Delicatessen Mickeys are overpriced ripoffs. Cold cuts are ok, but you paying twice the money as in Germany is a rip off. Go to Brettos in AC or have a meal for 350p in Swiss chalet and you will see the BIG difference in value and taste.

Beer is cheap also. I stay mostly now in Don and Pauls newly built apartelle, every beer is 33p. You go to fields for happy hour its 55p. You go upper fields or perimeter its maybe 45p during happy hour. That beats Manila/100p?? (La cafe) and Edsa/120p (Edsa entertainment complex Pasay) and especially Makati which is a ripoff at 160p, except Rogues, happy hour until 10pm and beer is 55p or so if Im not mistaken.

Girls. Surely there is a bit difference also. Take a look at LA cafe (for an update I will go there next week to see if anything has changed). Nothing special at the basement. If I move my fat ass upstairs and pay the 150p?200p? entrance fee for the noisy music I see some more prettier girls in the so called "korean section"..but they want to have like 2000p or 3000p for short time and surely wont go with me cause Im a big western guy. They like it small and fast :D Maybe if I pay enough or try enough to persue them , they might also consider going with me. but who am I?? I rather go home and wait a few days until I back to AC or txt some of my contacts to come over. Iwouldnt say LA cafe is dump, but AC beats it all and here is why:

You have young girls in AC. YOu got plenty of bars. If you dont like one bar, walk out and try another. Yes, you actually can walk there.Try to walk from LA cafe to Edsa (next near spot with different set up of girls)...well you cant. YOu need to take a cab to go from A to B. In AC you just walk from A to B to C to D to.....
You have the infamous aka blow row/santos street, bj for 600p or 700p including short time. You have some massage places. Roman health near mc arthur and another one at mcarthur where you have some hanky panky going on asides or after "the massage".

accomodationwise you will find much better value for your bucks. YOu get a quite good place for 899p or 1000p. Try to find that somewhere in Manila. YOu wont.Not to mention what you get in Makati. Aside from Durbann Inn I dont know any cheap(er) place there. Citadel Inn starting at 1500p for a room which aint bad, but beds are worned out.

Noise. I dont like it. On my weekends or specially if Im on my holiday I like to have no noise around me while I sleep, except the moaning of my "partner" during the night. In Angeles city you will find a lot places where you able to sleep good. Go to Manila and you will see the difference, unless you pay 150US or more for a 5 star hotel.

I also like Cebu, maybe I move there in the near future. I also like Bacolod and the Visayas. I dont need Angeles city when Im there. Its more fun to get laid with normal working girls. My friend even told me its 60p for a ladies drink in Bacolod and the girls are genuine, nice and happy to entertain you.

But Bacolod can be only reached by plane or ship. Im in ANgeles city within 90 minutes. Within this said AC is my place to be on weekends, because there aint any better option for me to relax, monger and the fun.

I shouldnt say that Angeles city is the place for a guy who should spend his entire holiday there, but it surely has much more to offer then spending the time at places like Makati, Edsa or Ermita.

Blink out

Wizzy2007
02-11-09, 13:52
Hi,

How about personal safety too?

I read somewhere that one can get attacked from behing in AC!

IN Thailand (Pattaya) too there are too much crimes against foreigners.

That means even if one tries to play it safe there is no guarantee.

Tell us if I am wrong!

Wizzy!


hehehe,

ok wrong info I read your posts here. AC aint heaven but its the best and the fastest getaway for me on weekends. First of all its cheap and good in places where I eat. Swiss chalet, magaritha station sometimes pizza from Carousel bistro I love it and its cheap, compared to Manila or to Makati. Gasthof (newly opened in Makati) Delicatessen Mickeys are overpriced ripoffs. Cold cuts are ok, but you paying twice the money as in Germany is a rip off. Go to Brettos in AC or have a meal for 350p in Swiss chalet and you will see the BIG difference in value and taste.

Beer is cheap also. I stay mostly now in Don and Pauls newly built apartelle, every beer is 33p. You go to fields for happy hour its 55p. You go upper fields or perimeter its maybe 45p during happy hour. That beats Manila/100p?? (La cafe) and Edsa/120p (Edsa entertainment complex Pasay) and especially Makati which is a ripoff at 160p, except Rogues, happy hour until 10pm and beer is 55p or so if Im not mistaken.

Girls. Surely there is a bit difference also. Take a look at LA cafe (for an update I will go there next week to see if anything has changed). Nothing special at the basement. If I move my fat ass upstairs and pay the 150p?200p? entrance fee for the noisy music I see some more prettier girls in the so called "korean section"..but they want to have like 2000p or 3000p for short time and surely wont go with me cause Im a big western guy. They like it small and fast :D Maybe if I pay enough or try enough to persue them , they might also consider going with me. but who am I?? I rather go home and wait a few days until I back to AC or txt some of my contacts to come over. Iwouldnt say LA cafe is dump, but AC beats it all and here is why:

You have young girls in AC. YOu got plenty of bars. If you dont like one bar, walk out and try another. Yes, you actually can walk there.Try to walk from LA cafe to Edsa (next near spot with different set up of girls)...well you cant. YOu need to take a cab to go from A to B. In AC you just walk from A to B to C to D to.....
You have the infamous aka blow row/santos street, bj for 600p or 700p including short time. You have some massage places. Roman health near mc arthur and another one at mcarthur where you have some hanky panky going on asides or after "the massage".

accomodationwise you will find much better value for your bucks. YOu get a quite good place for 899p or 1000p. Try to find that somewhere in Manila. YOu wont.Not to mention what you get in Makati. Aside from Durbann Inn I dont know any cheap(er) place there. Citadel Inn starting at 1500p for a room which aint bad, but beds are worned out.

Noise. I dont like it. On my weekends or specially if Im on my holiday I like to have no noise around me while I sleep, except the moaning of my "partner" during the night. In Angeles city you will find a lot places where you able to sleep good. Go to Manila and you will see the difference, unless you pay 150US or more for a 5 star hotel.

I also like Cebu, maybe I move there in the near future. I also like Bacolod and the Visayas. I dont need Angeles city when Im there. Its more fun to get laid with normal working girls. My friend even told me its 60p for a ladies drink in Bacolod and the girls are genuine, nice and happy to entertain you.

But Bacolod can be only reached by plane or ship. Im in ANgeles city within 90 minutes. Within this said AC is my place to be on weekends, because there aint any better option for me to relax, monger and the fun.

I shouldnt say that Angeles city is the place for a guy who should spend his entire holiday there, but it surely has much more to offer then spending the time at places like Makati, Edsa or Ermita.

Blink out

Wrong Info
02-11-09, 20:01
Hehehehe

Ok well for you that have not experienced Makati or other areas and want to say AC is great. To each his own.

But in my opinion becuase your hotel has 33 p beers is outisde of the topic. As lots of hotels do. In Makati if staying at City Garden, you can go right across the street and load up on Beers for 10p and stock them in the hotel room, as welll as snacks etc. In AC they will charge you in most hotels $3 bucks for a freekin candy bar. The hotel stated by toehr poster is not the norm.

In Makati you can get it at a little indian restarurant right there in between the bars as well as a nice beef dinner for like 220 p, so there are bargain places even there that are much better than AC and you don't have to get scammed by every other bar with a cherry girl scam.

T0 me this is much better than eating at a ripoff joint in AC that is charging like 600 p for a cheap pizza. I mean for christ sake it is the Philippines, why would you pay more for a pizza than you would in the states?

There are much better places to eat by the way than those stated in AC. As the ones stated are generaly kind of the ones that any tourist would find, and therefore places like Margaritas and the others want to charge western prices. You can eat at a side stand for like a buck (47p). Just get there early as that is when the food is hot. \ You can also go to places like chow king etc. Its not terrible as lots of posters post. Just usually those posters are people that have a interst in AC restaurants and love the suckers that are willing to pay more than western prices for a cheeseburger. The Italian restaurant upstairs is. Name eludes me for now- is also a good option for good food at lower prices yet still not what it typical for the Philippines //

As for pster saying I have a agenda etc. Written like a true mis-info spreader and someone that makes my posting very enjoyable to let people know the truth. Wishing "I would just shut up" is a way to say, don't let my cat out of the bag.

If not then you should be glad I didn't shut up as I have just shown you a way to eat and drink in manila for much less than AC. I mean for christ sake you can go to eat in Cebu at the Waterfront hotel and have a complete Seafood dinner with wine & desert for less than you can eat a hamburger at Mo's or Margarita station in AC---c'mon get real pall!

AC does have some girls. Most are ugly and far from standards of places like CEBU or manilla. So you can see my post are acurate as evidenced by the poster below stating the same. As for the places as I stated the besst is up toward perimeter and places. As also stated by another poster.

So again to eac his own but this is proof my posts are dead on accurate. And even though I may now like the places in other threads I have even given ifo to posters how to go and told them to go and have a blast. So for someone wanting to flame and say I have a agenda.. Think again.

If you like Cherry girl scams and drink scams. You will love AC. If not then make sure you are up front and discuss things before you pay or you will spend bar after bar getting your bill corected.

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Wrong Info
02-11-09, 20:10
To further prove the psoter below saying I have a agenda is incorect.-here is the link to a post yeterday where I am even giveing a guy advice and telling him to go and have a blast.

I just report the facts for those who are going and to keep them out of harm if possible. That is, after all, what this board is for.

See the link to prove it or just go to general info and scroll down to see my reply to KYcurios.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=846174

Key Master
02-12-09, 06:29
Just some thoughts on AC and other PI venues. I am kind of in Wrong Info's camp that AC is a shithole. The talent on average is lacking. The quantity is definitely not. Food isn't that great to me over there, but there are some places like Cottage Kitchen but you pay for it. To me places like Mo's are overpriced and the quality is lacking. The one plus to me that happened there is the new mall and the restaurants over there giving some better options. I also think Chow King is a pretty good deal, but I'm Asian and enjoy such food more.

Most boards I'm on in regards to PI are heavy heavy pro Angeles. Reading such threads brought me to AC only for most of my early trips only. It was very up and down for me in regards to talent and such. I've met some great women there, but also had a lot of blah experiences. I'm somewhat early middle aged and fit and found my way to Manila and Cebu eventually. Personally for me I prefer those two to Angeles. The problem with Manila is that it is slightly more expensive and I think a lot of mongers here and other boards might be slightly older and more on a fixed income. It's hard to say that one place is definitely better than another. It really depends on the person and their personality factors. I don't think we should try to judge people for their preferences as such.

Manila is way more spread out, and it's not for true newbies. Some people I imagine just like the easy way of AC where it's in your face and just there. I prefer Manila for the variety of other things and places to go. You'll probably have to hunt more, and do more repeats, but to me the experience is slightly better if you want to do more with your date. I for sure don't care to take my barfine in Angeles barhopping. It just doesn't feel right to me. Also my experience with the women in Manila has been that the nightly acrobatics are head and shoulders above the experiences I get from Angeles bargirls on average. Cebu has less bars than Angeles gogo wise, but there seems to be some bars that have just better talent in looks period and they are available to barfine versus there are a lot of bargirls in Angeles who are not and just there for drink money for various reasons.

Not trying to get in a battle of words with anyone just my opinion. This argument can go on and on. The thing is, we are all different in what we like. Some people don't want to work for it as much so Angeles is probably a better option. To me, if you aren't in a rush and you aren't going to ***** about spending 2000 pesos or more for someone to stay with you overnight, and you want pretty good quality, you might be better off trying out Manila and other places like Cebu. I still go to Angeles usually when I go to PI, but I spend more time in Manila easily.

Gangles
02-12-09, 12:12
Wrong Info, I read all the terrible things that you write about, but none of them have happened to me. I have been back and forth to the Phils for more than 10 years, and had a 12 month period in Phils a few years back.

So, don't try to frighten people.

There are bad things that happen in the Phils, but bad things also happen in Australian cities, and the only time I have been held up and cleaned out at gunpoint was in an upmarket area of Washington DC, USA. And the cops were not interested in trying to apprehend the theives, their only response was that since I hadn't been shot or injured, forget it.

So keep perspective, don't just repeat hearsay.

It is all about risk. Given the very large number of tourists and visitors to Angeles, and other places, there will always be a concentration of crime. But don't get it out of perspective.

G

Wrong Info
02-12-09, 19:20
cherry girl, yep, they tend to be the hottest not-yet-barfined gals ok these are the type posts i am talking about. not saying xman is spreading misinfo. but he is obviously very naive

usually it would be a bar manager saying something as misguided as cherry girls are the best unused..blahh blahh. blahh

wrong info guys

cherry girls are usually girls working while they are having that time of the month period. and still want to scam people out of drinks. i have seen girls as old as in their late 40s in bars that i have seen fuck as many as 5 guys at a time. selling drinks and saying they are a cherry girl. some of these girls still have the work card with proof of their virginity and that is as simmple as giving the doctor a $5 tip.

they have been known to set up tourist for [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). and then use the card to claim they were a virgin untill he raped her.

this is why i have posted the scams going on in ac and state again it is the worst of places you can go and lots fall prey to very dangerous scams there.

the other posters attacking my posts have othere posts where some have also questioned them. just have to click there post to see that in one a guy even says " he catn believe he is refering to a post from ___"

this is because some of these guys posts with a good grasp on the subject. knowing the areas etc-- and that is becuase they probably are there and promote the drink scams etc for their bars and to steel your money.

but cmon.

wether just not knowing or jsut spreading misinfo a cherry girl is far from the best and if you are willing to put yourdick in blood in the philippines then you had better have a written will as you are truly playing with your life.

most i know that have been and not used a rubber at minimum have gotten the drip- lots genital warts. and some i am sure even much worse. do not go uncovered into a bloody snatch becuase she says she is a cherry---

your life may depend on it!

Wrong Info
02-12-09, 19:30
Reply to posters that for some reason want you to think that AC is the best and cheapest laughable

Guys I have proven my point and posted links to other areas where I have gien adive etc to show that I am not just saying negative things about AC. My posts are further proven true by other guys saying the exat same things about AC.

Unfortunaely. Not that the ones criticising me are. But there are lots of posts from Bar Owner Sum that will do anythig to sperate you from yoru money and are even involved in set ups there.

Manila. Cebu. Any place you can get girls just as cheap or cheaper than AC

The difference is lots of the bar prices to take them are higher. Although AC now trying to scam and say some girls are " Show Girls" etc and try and charge jsut as much as Manil or Cebu.

YOu can exchange Cell numbers in any place and girls will meet you after for as littel as 200. 500 pesos and bring super model frineds that will freek you and suck you for the same EVERY DAY.

Point is there are muh better quality in the other places and many more girls as Manila andcebu are about 100 times larger than AC and that is a underestimate.- therefore bazillions more working girls..-

I've got them in Manila that all I do is call when I get off the plane and will come fuck my fat ass for free.-- so don't be fooled by posts of rubish-- \

Philippines not bad but as posted by myself and others.- ther are much better places for mongering in SE Asia.

Angeles City is a tourist trap and set up beware and caution when there!

Wrong Info
02-12-09, 19:34
Here mate, is this to your liking? Cropped it a little and tried to improve the exposure but with a rear lit shot the improvement is not marked. If I sound like I have a clue WTF I'm talking about, I assure you I don't.

However you can make out her face a little better. Pretty girl.yes not bad. But average for Manila and Cebu and the most important thing to know in the Philippines. Once you have had them once, wether from a bar fin, off the street, blow row etc

You then just send texts and they will do it for no more than 500 pesos and if not you just text another--- looks do not dictate paying any more there.-- eveen the best looking have been had probabaly 2 times that day for a few dollars to help pay there cell bill and clothes from 80 year old expats that get them for the price of a Cell phone card.

I do admit she makes me want to go there though and I am sure you had a great time with that looker.

Wrong Info
02-12-09, 21:35
To put rest the chat of who is telling ou the truth etc.

Please just go to the Moderator, Dragon Slayers, thread about the Philippines.

I have just been reading them and find his advice about ALWAYS watching your butt- and " you are a foriegner and don't beling living amongst the Philipinos" to be more than accurate.

Remember he is a MODERATOR of this board, and as well lives there 24/7 + 365 a year. I don't think you get better qualified.

Go to the Asia area-- then it has a Philippines thread or a Dragon Slayers thread

You must read it and you will see the real facts from the moderator.

Wrong Info
02-12-09, 21:40
I forgot to add - the thread in the Dragon Slayer Philippines forum on here I am speaking of is the " Living in the Philippines thread"

Very accurate and even short time visitors that dont have any desire to live - should read it for their safety while visiting.

Wrong Info
02-12-09, 21:44
The thread I was refering to is the

"Living in the Philippines"

Thread in the Dragon Slayers Philippine forum.

It is a must read even for the short 2 week visitor for your own safety.Here is the link - I hope it works

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=812003

Montrose
02-13-09, 00:42
Point is there are muh better quality in the other places and many more girls as Manila andcebu are about 100 times larger than AC and that is a underestimate.. Therefore bazillions more working girls.According to the above Angeles City population is 25, 000, 000 or so. Don't believe that is the case. Seems like you have an axe to grind. Where is X Man when we need him?

Montrose
02-13-09, 00:47
Reply to posters that for some reason want you to think that AC is the best and cheapest laughable

Guys I have proven my point and posted links to other areas where I have gien adive etc to show that I am not just saying negative things about AC. My posts are further proven true by other guys saying the exat same things about AC.

Unfortunaely. Not that the ones criticising me are. But there are lots of posts from Bar Owner Sum that will do anythig to sperate you from yoru money and are even involved in set ups there.

Manila. Cebu. Any place you can get girls just as cheap or cheaper than AC

The difference is lots of the bar prices to take them are higher. Although AC now trying to scam and say some girls are " Show Girls" etc and try and charge jsut as much as Manil or Cebu.

YOu can exchange Cell numbers in any place and girls will meet you after for as littel as 200. 500 pesos and bring super model frineds that will freek you and suck you for the same EVERY DAY.

Point is there are muh better quality in the other places and many more girls as Manila andcebu are about 100 times larger than AC and that is a underestimate.- therefore bazillions more working girls..-

I've got them in Manila that all I do is call when I get off the plane and will come fuck my fat ass for free.-- so don't be fooled by posts of rubish-- \

Philippines not bad but as posted by myself and others.- ther are much better places for mongering in SE Asia.

Angeles City is a tourist trap and set up beware and caution when there!According to the above information Angeles City has a population of 25,000,000. Don't think so. Interesting reports as of lately Wrong Info. Hopefully the newbies are reading between the lines.

Blink157
02-13-09, 03:39
First of all hello to all,

wrong info, or in short wi, as in WI, or WW I? (worldwar1) Guess your much younger, right?
Of course you can get laid for as little as 300 p with a toothless scumbag in Manila and maybe for 50pesos in China town. I heard about that. YOu can also pay 10 000p for stunning model type somewhere along the bars at Quezon Avenue.

But thats really not the point here. The point is, for a newbie and a first time visitor to the Philippines. Angeles city is a good start. I rather would stay and relax in a place where you can walk around. Get your international cuisine as well as local food or asian food. Stay in a nice laid back hotel like PB or WIld orchid inn. Chit chat with the guys, expats who live and come here and of course, GETTIN LAID.

I dont know you , but maybe you one the guys, long beard, a bit insanity in their eyes, holding up a big sign with words like "END OF THE WORLD IS NEAR"

Ok that was a joke, but you might get the picture. I guess you somehow pissed about AC. Me to,at least sometimes if I hear they scam another foreigner, or in bad cases kill him. But most of those guys had done mistakes, big mistakes!!Its not paradise and you have to stick to the rules as in dont asskick the locals. If any trouble, just walk away. Dont talk to to pinoy guys. Dont pick up freelance girls if you new to this place. Dont walk home alone early morning, specially if your drunk. Dont walk alone in deserted places. Only have the cash in your pocket you willing to spend at the night. Dont flash with fancy cellphones, neclace, goldchains, goldrings or some other things(fancy diamond tooth?)

As I mentioned before. I go to AC every weekend to relax, have a good meal and get laid. Thats it. I wont go there to get married, seeking for true love or what so ever the reasons are, why guys go there.
Of course everyone wants your cash. Thats everywhere in the Philippines. SOme want more, some want less. Of course you will find also a lot of lowlifes in touristspots, but thats normal, isnt it?

So I rather stay the weekends in AC, withe easy access to some other destinations as staying in poluted Metro Manila. Thats for sure.

Blink

Wrong Info
02-13-09, 06:50
Blink you are sadly mistaken.

Eiter you do not know your way around enoguh or have not been enogh to know how it works. Or I hope not posting propoganda

I can assure you I can get a girl as good or better looking than any pic posted in these threads. In fact have many on my CP with numbers. That will pick me up at the airport, screw my brains out, bring a freind the next day, and all for no more than 3 to 500 p and taxi faire right in manilla

Good luck though either way.

Blink157
02-13-09, 08:38
Blink you are sadly mistaken.

Eiter you do not know your way around enoguh or have not been enogh to know how it works. Or I hope not posting propoganda

I can assure you I can get a girl as good or better looking than any pic posted in these threads. In fact have many on my CP with numbers. That will pick me up at the airport, screw my brains out, bring a freind the next day, and all for no more than 3 to 500 p and taxi faire right in manilla

Good luck though either way.

yes,
me too, but was had this to do with the Angeles city forum here?

I dont need any advise. I live here. I give advise in the apropiate forum or comment on posts. So if a NEWBIE, I write it now in capslock so you will also understand it. A first timer to the Philippines comes here on a holiday-and-fuck-mission. I would suggest after a long flight. Go first to AC, adjust, relax in a good hotel. Look around and then decide where to. because AC has it all, plus a beach 45 minutes away. Not great though, but at least a beach.

Thats all what my post is about and I dont make propaganda. Im not a barowner and I would never consider to be one. Im a barfiner (sometimes)

Happy valentines :D

Blink

Carmex
02-13-09, 10:26
Hmmmm, well, I will be in AC and Manila this weekend so I should be able to provide some accurate feedback on the scams and the bar situation. I can't really believe its changed that much since I was there for New Years though.

I do know several bar owners, and yes, they do want your money. Duh! They are in business. Um, scumy street people? Saw more in Manila then AC. Mamasans pulling scams? Only happened once to me, when she said the girl was a 3 holer. (she was, but not after seeing my titi).

My babyko lives there (AC) and when at her house in Balibago, I do not feel threatened. I am for sure the only white guy around.

Wrong Info, yes scams exist in AC. I do believe more so in Manila though. I am way more on my guard in the big city. Pick pockets, runners, bill loading, etc. way more prevalent in Manila than AC, Subic, or Cebu.

Newbies should surely start out in AC until they get comfortable. Just be smart and don't be ignorant. Same goes for any foriegn country. Usually the only thing that bothers me in AC is those F'in Baklas! Man I wish they would go away. I don't have the heart to bust one of them in the mouth though.

Just be smart and confident and you should have no problem.

Warbucks
02-13-09, 11:40
Usually the only thing that bothers me in AC is those F'in Baklas! Man I wish they would go away. I don't have the heart to bust one of them in the mouth though.

Just be smart and confident and you should have no problem.


Carmex man I would not flex muscle in PI unless my life was in danger. Dude you think other Filipinos going to stand around and watch you plummet one of their county men? I got a better chance of joining the KKK.

On another note Wrong Info I enjoy you post and AC/Manila the Philippines is the Philippines itís a third world country lets all not forget that.

Wrong Info
02-13-09, 16:38
yes,

me too, but was had this to do with the Angeles city forum here?

I dont need any advise. I live here. I give advise in the apropiate forum or comment on posts. So if a NEWBIE, I write it now in capslock so you will also understand it. A first timer to the Philippines comes here on a holiday-and-fuck-mission. I would suggest after a long flight. Go first to AC, adjust, relax in a good hotel. Look around and then decide where to. because AC has it all, plus a beach 45 minutes away. Not great though, but at least a beach.

Thats all what my post is about and I dont make propaganda. Im not a barowner and I would never consider to be one. Im a barfiner (sometimes)

Happy valentines :D

BlinkFair enough and I understnand what you are saying. For a newbie it is all laid out in AC. That in itself is understandable. BUT

THEY MUST, if on Fields Ave, the main tourist area, ask first if the girl is a "cherry girl " and how much the drinks are, or indeed the trip will turn into one where they feel they are getting fucked without getting fucked in every bar they enter. LOL

To me I guess the thing that is most disapointing about that is it has become more a business deal and bargaining, than even in Thailand. Those who have been for many years, like yourself, are used to the GFE and sweet Bar Girl, even though only wanting money, at least giving some excitement. By the time I am through verifying a girl is not a Cherry Hustler, fighting off the bar manager and verifying they are not charging me for a triple drink, I have lost my excitement some what even if the girl is atractive, as I feel I am in a business deal.

This is why many had stopped going to LOS, but I find now it is not near as bad as Fields Ave.

Happy Trails and Hunting

Wrong Info
02-13-09, 23:24
Master Feerguson

I am a newer member on here and have still posted many times.

For a guy who has only 7 posts at the time of your last. Man you have become quite the lover of prose.

I tend to read a lot, and have to tell you even Associated Press releases have mistakes, yours is the mosts detailed quick response I have ever seen for a chat site. With absolutley no errors.

So I am sure you put a lot of time into it. Even going as far as to create themes and refer back to them. YOu should have been a writer.

While I am sure your report is accurate, I do have to point out some of the fiction in it.

" in AC drinks are cheaper than anywhere in the world"

Just not true in fact even at happy hour prices of 55 p in a few bars in AC, that is more than you can get a beer for at happy hour in our little town of Las vegas that servies MGD now in almost every other casino in town for $1 and that is 24/7. Now if you consdiier that most places when you are out at night will be charging from 90 to 150 pesos (more than $3 Bucks) for your drink, and that is not to mention trying to triple charge (almost $9) for a lady drink in almost every place when you order a lady drink, then I would have to say it is in fact much more expensive than even most places in the States.

This is kind of expensive considering the bar you are in in AC is a toilet with no seperate CR(bathroom) for girls and guys in lots of acses. Even in lots the girls will be walking in as you take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) or shit. Some places have the ventalation of a desert chicken coop and you are sweating like a pregnant *****. LOL. And most do not even have food. Unless you consider things like grilled cheese sandwiches food. Then ofcourse there is the price of the crap they have to eat, that is as much or more than you pay in the states.

Again things can be had and good times can be had. But it is and just. Walk in happy jim and they gonna take care of you.

Bullshit does have a way of spreading. You have to watch the goings onn or you will get plaid like a fool and qa sucker. They will charge you as much as possible, tell youou ther are only cherry girls, and see your retarded ass out the door.

As far as fake tits etc. Just do not exist in AC or Maniila for most part. Maybe among the girls that have a japanese father and live like a rich girl in a poor country. But then they don't work in bars and definately do not go pay for play.

The thing of wanting to screw a girl on her period. Man you had better be carefull. And this is the second such report I have read to that efect. Never seen so many guys say they like a bloody pussy in just a few reports, ther must be a lot of it there. They are called Cherry girls and they will scam you for drinks and tell you no way javier or jose or whatever your name is as they won't remember in a rush to the next sucker.

Some of the bars you mentioned, while I am sure you had a great time, from reports of people who live there are the worst bars in town for pricing and girl attitude. They are also ones that are known to post a lot of propoganda and BS on sites that just isn't true. Things like the drinks are cheap, no girl said they were cherry etc. When this is said anyone who has been to AC in the last 3 years can tell you straight out. IT IS FICTION!

Seems you happened to go on a good day.

Blackangst
02-14-09, 09:55
Black Angst,

I appreciate your post as I know you are well intending - lol

-------snip---------------



Well, yes. As another poster pointed out, it just seems like most of your posts are something to the effect of "The other thing that bothers me so much about AC and The Philippines is..." Now Im not saying your posts are fiction; however, I do believe your posts are the exception and not the rule. It would just be nice to hear some positive things...it just seems like this is your personal anti-PI blog or something. Sure. There are dangers coming here. But to be frank with you, I have found the people of the philippines to be the most accomodating, respectful, and genuinely nicest of any country Ive been to. Its one thing to warn newbies about scams, etc its another to inundate the board with "The other thing that bothers me so much about AC and The Philippines is..." posts. Know what I mean? If I didnt know any better I would guess this was your least favorite place on earth.

Mind you, my opinions are anecdotal, and I realize that.

Rubberyman
02-14-09, 09:58
Great report Fusion.

You have caught the spirit of Angeles.

I know exactly what you mean about running dry in the tank...and then going out again and going again. Ouch.

Interesting your story Victorian, I was going to give that apartelle a try this time. I will give it a miss and go back to my old standby at the Royal Amsterdam.

Wrong info, obviously AC has rubbed you up the wrong way somehow - guess you should try somewhere else. Different strokes for different folks. Perhaps the problem is that if most of the bars tried to touch you up for $9!!! for Lady Drinks, then you definitely are attracting all the scam artists for some reason...and if that is US $, then that is even worse. If I am not sure (if I have not been in a particular bar for some time) about the LD prices, then I ask the waitress about current LD prices....Never do I recall that sort of price. (Not to say I don't believe you - far from it, because I am sure they will try anybody out that looks like they might fall for it. It just seems to me that from your stories, there is a pattern that the locals see you as a particularly easy target for some reason and they try it on you long after they would give up on the rest of us). Perhaps on your next trip you might hook up with someone to perhaps go hop a few bars with you and watch what happens so that they can clue you up as to why the locals act like you are able to be scammed easily. If you can work that out, maybe you might get to have just as much fun as the rest of us.

Five weeks to 'wheels up'. I can almost taste that first San Mig in Shanos. :)

Hesekiels
02-14-09, 15:48
... Sex for money doesnít fuck a guy up, but love for money does. I can't wait to go back and get fucked up again...

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Mister Fusion:

very wisely said, I could not agree more! :)

Yes, there are certainly some scams in AC (see Wrong Info's posts), but nevertheless it is the place to be! There one can have lots of fun and it remains still affordable! Gentlemen, you bet your life, with the usual precautions everybody will have a great time there!

IMHO of course!

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Wrong Info
02-15-09, 00:51
Well, yes. As another poster pointed out, it just seems like most of your posts are something to the effect of "The other thing that bothers me so much about AC and The Philippines is..." Now Im not saying your posts are fiction; however, I do believe your posts are the exception and not the rule. It would just be nice to hear some positive things...it just seems like this is your personal anti-PI blog or something. Sure. There are dangers coming here. But to be frank with you, I have found the people of the philippines to be the most accomodating, respectful, and genuinely nicest of any country Ive been to. Its one thing to warn newbies about scams, etc its another to inundate the board with "The other thing that bothers me so much about AC and The Philippines is..." posts. Know what I mean? If I didnt know any better I would guess this was your least favorite place on earth.

Mind you, my opinions are anecdotal, and I realize that.Well as you may guess by my name my biggest intention is to help so called " newbies " read throught the BS that gets posted by those who may paint AC or for that matter any place with a reality that does not exist.

As for me not saying anything positive etc, that just is not true. I am not on a personal vendeta against the Philippines or any place, and have even given in threads people my opinion on wether they should ake cash or travelers checks etc. And wished them a great jounry. I have posted as well that some of the things are not limited to AC etc.

So while you may only want to look on the surface of the posts and, and certainly you do not have to like them, in reality I am doing nothing but help to promote the positive of AC.

YOu see if men, like ourselves, know of the pitfalls they will run into before hand, then it is quite possible they can know how to deal with them, have a good time, and hopefull change thins for the better and return many times and tell others of how to deal with any Set Ups before they happen.

I hope everyone has a good time wherever they go and that is my only goal.

Wrong Info
02-15-09, 19:15
me too never had a problem with bar bill in ac. this includes the change they bring back.

we forget how many girl drinks we ordered. in many bars now there are two types of girl drinks. one which cost 150 pesos and the other 300 pesos.

so when you order the drink tell the waitress you want to buy only 150 pesos drink unless you want the girl get drunk.

...the whole atmosphere makes us spend more than we bargained for one way or another.hope yuo dont mind as i just pointed out your key words that i am sure is meant for us all to feel comfortable with the goings on in ac philippines.

i will however say "yeah right"

if you have never had a problem with a bar tab in ac , then you have not been to ac. i don't care if it is your first time or last time. if you do not stay on top of your tab every step of the way you will have lots - lots of padding of things you did not order and overpriced drinks.


as for just tell the waitress you want the 150 pesos lady drink - lol- ok.

first; why should ou have to tell her and not be given a choice?
and the reality is it does not matter even if you tell her you only want the overpriced 150 drink, she is going to bring the check for the 300 drink and if you catch it her excuse will be ,
"the girl said she wanted the 300 drink " - thats $7 bucks for a juice drink fellas!!!

most who go by the above instuctions and do not stay on top of the bar tab, end up when leaving with a tab that is in most cases wayyyyyy out of line.

i have seen them even try and take a bar tab from someone who had a buddy that left, add it to the friends tab, and then give the excuse " your friend didn't pay for all his drinks." then the buddy retrun and say thats bullshit. then the poor shmuck if still sitting with a girl he wants to bar fine is now feeling like a sucker in front of his girl, both are out of the mood, and the whole thing feels like your in a robbery.

they think that lots do not look -(true) - and they try and bargain with you to make a few thousand pesos extra.

the problems is this is the training they recieve and if you just accpet the scam , then they actually discourage any girls from leaving with you untill you are shit faced drunk - so they can scam for drinks and not get caught , and so you will continue to buy drinks - they make more on drinks than on your bar fine of wich they get only about $12.

so the sucker that is a follower and lets them scam in fact usually gets the girls say " i dont feel well, cant go with you" when the drinks stop flowing, and then gets stuck jacking off that night, or getting a fugly *****.

the girls do not mind a guy that stays on top of the situation, as then she can get her half of the bar fine, a tip, and possibly a nice dinner and some gifts, or if the guy lets her go she can strt pounding the cell phone to get some of her local expat cusomters to fuck her, of wich she gets tokeep 100% and ends up making much more for the day. it is either her make money or the bar - ofcourse they would ather make a regualr customer they dont h to give the bar a cut from every day.

do the math - they can make more than that off a good **** in a half hour - why sell her for $12 and they paid her $3 already so they only make $9 for her for the whole day ---yeah right.


as far as you saying a girl will get drunk from juicy drinks -- hahahha -- you have obviously never been in the service or traveled much. the drinks are juice only. if the girl gets drunk she can not be worked with and they all drik juice only, unless the guy tastes the drink and demands if he is paying for tequila etc - then it had better f u c k be tequila.

i often tell them to "make a good drink and i will drink it althoguh supposed to be for the girl",

as at least if this way you are stupid enough to pay $7 bucks for a freekin drink it is real , and you can cut back on what you have to drink yourself and keep the bill low.

reality is for the bar owners that read ths thread and often post under disguise of a real poster - we go to the philippines for cheap hookers, drinks, and everything else. if you dont provide that then we have better options.

if not we can just go to day time strip bars in the usa and get $2 beer specials for drinks, if we see girls explain we do not do vip but happy to hook up after she gets off, and if we want a lap dance in day specials it is $5. this way may take longer but whats the rush, one out of five trips you will find a good **** willing to give you what you want.

there is also ofcourse always the trusy massage hos that want regualrs as well. they will be happy to take your card and give theris and hook up for gfe sex, and once they know you the price can be very reasonable, and when they need a favor or ride even free , right here in the good ole usa.


there is no reason to fly around the world to spend more on what you can get right here in a bar or massage parlor. and untill the bar owners realize this than they will continue to struggle with fewer customers, as many have reported going into places in ac now and being the only customer. i can say for a fact this is absolutely true. i was often the only person in bar, or among the only say three patrons.

even then they would be scamming people and it was not as most posts read.




on a positive note:
best bar - up on perimiter, = stampeed

worst bar hands down - on fields in the main area. = typhoon bar

Wrong Info
02-15-09, 20:20
Sorry to ask again but 2 of the guys in our group prefer the outside type bars and not the gogos as anybody been to there perimeter bars which are the best if any and how far away from the main strip

Many thanksPerimiter Bars are better - Stampede the best, although my last visit I had a girl that was a runner, but the bar management gave a refund when I told them the situation.

Outside bars are mostly on Blow Row - I have had some good ones, but for a outside , non Air con Bar, with a girl who has been pounded hard and may have just given a blow job or anal sex within 2 minutes before you arived, and with 2 or 3 guys, to pay the almost Fields Ave Prices though are something you need to bargain in my opinion, and if they dont bargain then come back later or if you like the girl - take her for a ride around the block and kick the tires.

but then you do get the chance to say what you want in forthright terms and they will accomodate with no BS like Fields Bars, so yeah give them a shot.



I recomend asking bars on Fields befor you biy any drinks etc- who is available and if they are a so called Cherry Girl, or you will find a never ending door to no where but a high drink tab.

X Man
02-16-09, 12:34
How do we get WrongIfo to turn. He's freakin me out.

Piper1
02-16-09, 13:28
How do we get WrongIfo to turn. He's freakin me out.Me too, and I'm unfreakable. But photo RR05 ... :eek:

Wrong Info
02-16-09, 19:24
A wonderfull ideal that we should all be nice and take care of our fellow human kind.

It unfortunately is not given back in 99% of the cases.

I kind of follow more the motto = treat them as they treat me.

Poor is not just money, poor is a state of mind. If you don't have food or clothing, etc, rest assured you are in need of assistance. HOWEVER, your assertion that they do not have the essentials in the case of most bar girls is absoluteley going in the wrong direction.

Most bar girls are given FREE MEALS. The uniforms are provided FREE. Some Mammas give them FREE housing and sell them to other locals- Keep in mind their ideal of housing is likemuch of Asia, Japan, Korea, etc, where even if you have money you generaly sleep on a mat on the fllor, don't waste on things like air conditioning, etc. Granted they are generaly just to poor to have it in the Philippines.

They get bonuses and have contests on who sells the most drinks etc, so most are far from what the rest of the country considers poor. They are young hip hop thugs in their mind when not suckering one of us old badgers from our money.

So while there are "the poor" all over the world, if a girl is a bar girl and telling you she hasnt eaten etc, she is most likely pulling your heart string and writing another chapter in her book.

"I took that suckers money. "

Lots have their kids being raised in a village or whatever, and this is no dount poor by our standards, but not by theirs. I am not saying that they don't have the extreme poverty in some places, but I wold tend to ask how much of the money she makes does she send to help the poor. Most have clothes and possibly more different outfits thatn you or I. Can sit on their ass and send text messages and buy cell phones, that even in the Philippines can run several hundred dollars, yet for some reason could not find the money to send a few bucks for their kids schooling.

Hmmmmm. But I am supposed to feel like I am obligated to do so?

IN AC the average tip to a bar girl is between nothing and 300 pesos, as they get half or more of the bar fine and commisions on the drinks you just bought, the average bar girl makes about 5 times what the average Philipino family makes.

Now if you want to be charitable, my advice may be to go into a small province outside of the city to get away from the hustlers, possibly find a nice family living somwhere and help them pay for Catholic school wich is not so charitable in many situations.

On ending this post I will say it is nice to be somewhat FREE. I say somewhat as ofcourse even in this land of Milk and Honey USA, we are brainwashed to believe things like " our vote matters", " we are free", " our politicians want the best". Etc. So I will say it is good to be somewhat free.

Muslim Malaysia did a raid of couples in hotel rooms for valentines in Kuala Lampur to arrest them, and crack down on the sin of sex before marriage.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090216/ap_on_re_as/as_malaysia_operation_valentine;_ylt=AuN0HvwSDgA7eU7xPsgkDKABxg8F

Unbelievable - apparantely if you are Muslim you can have 7 wifes, you just cant fuck them untill you marry. To each his own, but I got to say that sucks.

Wrong Info
02-16-09, 19:41
Shhh. Don't tell anyone

I f ucked them both, LOL

Bickers
02-17-09, 04:30
I concur with wrong info. While for many, a bargirl career is their only option the money they earn is well above what some professionals in the Philippines can get - just have a look at the salaries offered in the local classifieds.

Wrong Info
02-17-09, 18:11
I was in Angeles Monday and took a look in Geckos. Liked the place and saw some really cute girls.

Had some drinks with 4 girls 20-22 all spotting the "V"on their ID cards. They all tell me their virgins?

Now I just dont recall seeing this in past visits or I as not paying attention.

Seems like alot of cherry girls for one small bar..any comments?The most disturbing things of AC, and it is worse than having to discuss business as some complain about other places. I would much rather ask a girl up front what she will do.

Blow job, bareback, anal- etc

And then get what I expect, then to go with the edeal if you are in a bar in AC they are supposed to be hookers then find out that many Bars like Dollhouse, Typhoon, almost evey bar on the lower fields are emloying Cherry drink hustlers.

Many like to buy a drink and talk. Expecting the girl is a worker, but then find out after in this case would have been 4 girls in a very small bar, that none are doing anything other than selling drinks. Most are not by the way Virgins, just on the period and they have paid the doctor to keep the Virgin card. Some as old as 50 that have screwed every guy in town still have a V card.

So read the facts posted on here and not just from me. Ask before you buy or you will certainly be dissapointed.

Ask first. Are you a cherry girl?

Then. If we hit it off do you barfine?

Explain what you expect, short time, overnight, etc. Do not worry about tip as they get half or more of the bar fine, and with some places at over 1300 pesos. That is more than she has gotten from anyone in a long time. Guys who already have girls that they have screwed and expats or locals,.pay no more than 3 to 500 pesos and bang these girls all the time for it.

Last but not least.

Ask before buying a drink how much it is, check the ticket when it arives, and if it is ntoo corect have them corect it. Taste any drink you biy for a girl and make sure it is not juice. If it is send it back and ask for the real thing, at least if it is real and she does not drink it you can and spare the expense of your nest drink.

Some guys feel like they have to put on a front and feel awkward to ask first. Why?

This town has a scam waiting around every corner and if you don't ask and the girl sees you are intimidated, then in her eyes you are no more than a sucker. She will forever see you this way and also join the group of people wanting to sucker you.

If you are having fun, asking questions, forthright in your business, believe me, the girls will like you more, respect you, and often want to have repeat sessions and sometimes for free. As she will know you have the balls enough to possibly be the one for her.

Just the way it is. Go into any strip club USA and see. The guy who is throwing around money and going to VIP for nothing but dances and drinks. Gets that absolutely nothing!

It is no different there- if they can sell you drinks and hustle. Then you get nothing else. If they know you are there for pussy, then that is what you get or move on to the next bar and put that one on your do not return list forever!

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Frank4220
02-18-09, 02:15
Thanks for the reply, you clarified a lot of questions I had. "NO TIP" BF only...back on Monday-Thurs. Cheers


The most disturbing things of AC, and it is worse than having to discuss business as some complain about other places. I would much rather ask a girl up front what she will do.

Blow job, bareback, anal- etc

And then get what I expect, then to go with the edeal if you are in a bar in AC they are supposed to be hookers then find out that many Bars like Dollhouse, Typhoon, almost evey bar on the lower fields are emloying Cherry drink hustlers.

Many like to buy a drink and talk. Expecting the girl is a worker, but then find out after in this case would have been 4 girls in a very small bar, that none are doing anything other than selling drinks. Most are not by the way Virgins, just on the period and they have paid the doctor to keep the Virgin card. Some as old as 50 that have screwed every guy in town still have a V card.

So read the facts posted on here and not just from me. Ask before you buy or you will certainly be dissapointed.

Ask first. Are you a cherry girl?

Then. If we hit it off do you barfine?

Explain what you expect, short time, overnight, etc. Do not worry about tip as they get half or more of the bar fine, and with some places at over 1300 pesos. That is more than she has gotten from anyone in a long time. Guys who already have girls that they have screwed and expats or locals,.pay no more than 3 to 500 pesos and bang these girls all the time for it.

Last but not least.

Ask before buying a drink how much it is, check the ticket when it arives, and if it is ntoo corect have them corect it. Taste any drink you biy for a girl and make sure it is not juice. If it is send it back and ask for the real thing, at least if it is real and she does not drink it you can and spare the expense of your nest drink.

Some guys feel like they have to put on a front and feel awkward to ask first. Why?

This town has a scam waiting around every corner and if you don't ask and the girl sees you are intimidated, then in her eyes you are no more than a sucker. She will forever see you this way and also join the group of people wanting to sucker you.

If you are having fun, asking questions, forthright in your business, believe me, the girls will like you more, respect you, and often want to have repeat sessions and sometimes for free. As she will know you have the balls enough to possibly be the one for her.

Just the way it is. Go into any strip club USA and see. The guy who is throwing around money and going to VIP for nothing but dances and drinks. Gets that absolutely nothing!

It is no different there- if they can sell you drinks and hustle. Then you get nothing else. If they know you are there for pussy, then that is what you get or move on to the next bar and put that one on your do not return list forever!

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Wrong Info
02-18-09, 20:21
george /u horny rascal,

i am glad that even though you dont post a lot you took time to read my folder,,,lol.

i have no axe to grind - and the truth of my posts are further proven true by many other posters that have posted the same type of experiences.

for example the one guy posting that while in geckos he found 4 girls all waring a cherry girl card. so what this says in that paticualr bar at that time - they were indeed only selling drinks.

this is by no means limited to geckos and is a common practice - i am not saying dont go , i am not saying you cant get laid, i am just pointing out the obstacles and bs you will need to cut through to have fun and not be a sucker with a target on his head. i have even pointed out in several posts bars you can have fun in etc...

so i think the " axe to grind". for whatever reason lays with you and not me.

most people read this site and do not post - maybe 1 of 1000 that go will post there experiences, so when someone does post of the problems we should all realize that there are going to be as well fake posters that only want positive things said becuase of their relationship with a bar or business there possibly being exposed as a scam.


further proof of my posts accuracy - the guy posting about blue nile girls only going short time after paying a bar fine - this is again all the more reason to ask all the questions up front. given that these business arangements are absolutley necesary in angeles city , that makes it no different than thailand, costa rica, s. america, cambodia, or any place else wehre claims used to be it was better becuase you didnt have to be so concerend with the business of it all.

it is in my opinion the lower of the lowest of places in asia to go and have fun for many reason - very few things to do , prices have risen substantially and service has gotten worse in everything from girls to getting a sandwich.

go and have fun -
but the worst thing is there are so many now falling prey to the scams of people setting them up with **** girls, saying they tried to buy pot, every small thing that if you do not watch what you are doig you could trully run into serious trouble there.

it just so happens that even the bar owners have said the coruption is out of control and wish there was a way to stop it if you read boards that have locals posts etc. the weird thing is that even though there customers are getting thrown in jail, they stopped payments to the tourist police and now there are no longer tourist police as in other parts of asia to help when you get into trouble -

my feeling is it actually may have been becuase the tourist police were responding to many of the bars scamming customers by charging for drinks they did not order - therefore it is actually a lot easier for them to just do away with them so they cant help the tourist --- makes a bit of sensse huh.

so horny george dont get so hung up on me and read posts from many and this and other boards if you have any doubt.

guess you will say next they did not eliminate the tourist police?

a fact that is easily provable and as well you can google about **** set ups , etc.

Wrong Info
02-18-09, 20:26
I talk to a few mommie and girl bar fine is 1200.1300 peso and most girl will only stay a few hr and only one shots not all night and multi shot like 1 yr ago on my last visit. Even the mommie told me is up to girl now not sure if other ISG member are also finding this to be true.

Fast Eddie 48The broken English aside. I think most can read that this person is saying quality and service has gone down. Hmm guess I am not the only one that sees this.

I did remove his claim of favorite bars, as I am sure he had fun, but I did find those two to be among the worst of places to visit, and as well as stated the girls there are basically trained to get your moeny and get back to the bar to hustle drinks. Many are fresh from being F ucked by somone and have not even taken anything more than a splash of water and back to the bar after Anal sex or whatever- and they may cover them with a uniform but they are indeed some of the nastiest in AC.

Carmex
02-19-09, 19:08
Many are fresh from being F ucked by somone and have not even taken anything more than a splash of water and back to the bar after Anal sex or whatever- and they may cover them with a uniform but they are indeed some of the nastiest in AC.

Common Wrong Info! I mean really?! This is getting out of control. Splash of water after anal? Common dude, get real. You know as well as I do that fili wash like no tomorrow. Damn, some of that feminine hygiene stuff from JJ's is almost like a surgical scrub with all the iodine in it. Felt like I was getting ready for a procedure with some of those girls. For the first couple of years I thought that hose near the toilet was a douche hose for the backside before I went backdoor on some of those chicks. Fili chicks being unclean? Now I know you are an idiot.

As for your latest ranting, dude that shit is getting old. OK, you made your point. Don't really seem to be many disputing it. I was in AC for the last 5 days and yes, I can confirm all the bullshit you rant about. And yes, I agree, I too think it is the lack of tourist police that allow these idiots (read bar owners and bar girls on Fields) to get away with this behavior. Honestly, I can't believe these guys would bite the hand that feeds them, but what fucking ever!

Um, so to report; yes, got scammed for padded bill, cherry girl, menses, runner, lousy service, etc. all in the course of one weekend. Did not all happen to me, but more me and my buddies (2 black guys). I personally had some horrible service from fields. Did not go back to Mama to complain because she recommended her to me. BF was 1500. Girl freaked when I gave her 300 php tip for LT (7am). Long story I don't want to repeat, piece of shit girl I could not wait to get rid of.

Worst offending bars on fields were, in order: Brown Sugar, Insomnia, Typhoon, VooDoo, and Blue Nile. Newbieís, skip these places like the plague! If you want to experience AC, then run out to perimeter rd and see those chicks. Totally different vibe out there. LD for 100 php and BF for 1000 - 1200 php. SMB for 40 php.

Yea, I saw some stunners out on fields, but get this; the new deal is "model" quality. As in, those chicks 5'6" and above are model quality and BF for them is 4000 php. Like their pussy is any different than the 1350 php BF girl? Come on and get real! If there are any bar owners reading this thread, you guys are fucking insane.

I did my own independent test group this weekend. I purposely did not tell my buddies about the recent reports from Wrong Info, just to see if I was jaded and not pure in my vision. Well, AC failed miserably. Both told me, "AC sure aint what it used to be". When I asked them if they wanted to come back in the summer, "Yo man, I was thinking about checking out Thailand". This from the guy who once described AC as 'Shangri la'.

That said, not withstanding, AC did hold some good times this weekend. Buddy #1 went for a record with 5 BF from 5 bars in one day. I shook my head and hung out by the pool all day with one girl. Honestly, after the first disaster BF prison girl from Brown Sugar, once I found a good one, I was reluctant to let her go. Great GFE and great in the sack.

As for hotels, now that there is a new AC hotel thread I will keep this brief; stayed at the ABC for the first time because all other hotels were booked. Room was 4801 php per night. OK room but Savannah rooms were better with bigger TV and better/softer/bigger bed and a 2 person Jacuzzi in the bathroom. Only good shit about ABC is the street cred you get and the food. Chef there made some damn good pork tenderloin, salmon steak, breakfast omelets. Street cred as in every girl I spoke with said she wanted to go back to ABC with me. Savannah is better, classier, and you don't have that icky James Gandolfini vibe from the owner hanging around near the bar checking out you and your girl swimming in the pool all day long. Felt like I was going to get clipped by one of the Sopranosí if I stared too long at him staring at my girl.

Sum it up: Fields-skip it. Unless you want endless hassles from ladyboys (in ever increasing numbers), watch sellers, women and children beggars, Viagra and Cialis sellers, t-shirt sellers, etc. To me it seemed like one big hustle. Did not get any relief when I sought refuge in a bar either. Padded bills (once they thought you were drunk and not aware of it), inflated BF, bad service from providers, runners, I could go on and on. Buddy pulled a nice one where after he shot his load in his two BF's from Insomnia he pretended to be asleep, only to open his eyes and see both the girls going through his suitcase and pants pockets. And they had the nerve to complain about no tip after ST and trying to rip him off!

Maybe times are real desperate and no costumers, I don't know. What I do know is, AC is going to be a miss from me for a while. At least Fields is. Way too expensive and always on my guard is a nooooo fun vacation for me. I would really just like to get a buzz on and fuck and all night. Is that so wrong? I mean really, after the ABC and 4 nights for 28,000 php bill, do they really have to tack on the 65 php kit kat?

Last note, an old man T shirt seller came up to me and said, "You try Balut?" I said yes, once before. He said, "3 SMB's and 2 Balut and you fuck all night! Its Filipino Viagra!!" So, me being cultural, I tried it. And son of a *****, that stuff worked! Had a hard on for 3 days. No Viagra or Cialis. No wonder all those chicks get preggo at 16. Probably the only good thing I learned that weekend. And Astro glide is really neat also.

Carmex

p.s. Will try and post some good porn pix in the photo thread if I can figure out the resize and how to photoshop out my fat, hairy belly.

Wrong Info
02-19-09, 20:27
Carmex.

Will start by saying a great report and appears to be very accurate

Will hold back though the thoughts on Expensive hotels etc, as I have stayed in them all and in my experience, while girls may indeed like the name, in my opinion they think you must not know how little you can geta decent hotel for and they may be able to find some goodies in your suitcase as you probably do not know the goings on.

Either way you may not see eye to eye on my take on some of the things, but I do find your report to be quite the way most can expect things to be.

Thanks

Carmex
02-20-09, 15:04
Well, times are changing in AC. Don't know if it is the economic downturn and a very low high season or what, but as my buddies said, "AC aint what it used to be".

While I was with my steady BF, my buddies went out to Fields to BF different girls. One guy was only interested in his body count, and the other (a pretty nieve nice guy) was looking for the overall GFE/ fall in love expirence. I only listened to their tales of woe and held my tongue as they related over and over the same scams from the girls. Now, to be honest, this is not what I remember of AC, and last time I was there was New Years.

Wrong Info, as for the expensive hotel, it was the only one in town! I let my friends do the booking (mistake big time) and when we got to the Seinpost hotel (1500 php per night) they only had two rooms and not three. So, me and the taxi driver drive around for 1 hour at 1am to find me a room. Must have went to at least 15 hotels, including some I would NOT want to stay in. Must have been all the locals staying in these places because the bars were not full of mongers.

Couple of times, we went into a bar and we were the only three there. The guys told me they mostly got the menses scam after buying one or two LD.

Kind of interesting to see how all this will play out. I have been a fan of AC for a long time, and saw it as a place for cheap drinks, beautiful willing girls, and fun times. The hassels on the street were just too much for me, as well as the high drink pressure and the Ladyboys in squad sized elements patrolling the streets.

The only time my buddy had a winner was when we went to Carousel and I knew the Mamasan. I have partied with her many times and after my friends debacle with the thieves from Insomnia, I gave her 500 php and told her to pick out a good girl for my buddy, which of course, she did.

This is my usual M.O. as when I go into a bar, I sit with the moma and usually buy her a drink. Then we talk about what I like in a girl physically, and what I expect in the sack. This conversation mostly takes about 10 minutes. Moma will call a girl over for me, and I buy her a drink so we can see if some chemistry happens. If no chemistry, then I move on. If chemistry, then the BF negotiation begins. Fields was mostly 1500. Perimeter was always 1200-1350. LD fields was 210-300 php. LD perimeter was 100 php. I can't believe I will write these words, but dare I say Fields is becoming a "Tourist Trap"? Pretty much the death nail if this continues.

I hope I am wrong and things change, or my thinking changes, or I grow more knowledgeable, or whatever. I am still willing to give AC one more shot, maybe later in the summer or something, but right now, I am leaning more towards other places.

Used to love AC, but hopefully that is not a distant memory.

I appologize for any offensive remarks earlier, but filipina are very clean girls, at least IMHO. However, with the way things are going, maybe I am wrong about that also. Can somebody please write something that will help me change my mind about conditions in AC? I would hate to lose AC as a good destination, or at least fall back option.

Wrong Info
02-20-09, 16:47
For the most part I think that is the reason CARMEX for some of the negative reports- It is not that people have a axe to grind against AC, it is that AC has become a huge dissapointment for those who have experienced much better and read some post from a bar owner or such thinking it was different.

Some other boards are so bad with the bar owners posting unrealistic expectations that you can't post anything that is true without being attacked. I have read al the reports below and most who have been have reported the Cherry girls etc. They may have even had fun and not known, but being such a small place and some of the only bar goers there, it is easy for them to see which bars you go to and call around to keep you chasing a dream. And seems they are doing that well and not giving much back.

The price increases would as well not be minded if it was matched with a better experience. The experience has become one where I truly feel you can count yourself lucky if your not involved in a scam and held in jail for your money acording to may reports on other boards.

As for if the girls are clean, I imagine lots are, there are just as many that are drug addicts and the like, or that could just care less.

I hate to say it, at one time I counted days untill I could go again, now I feel life is to short to waste my free time there.

The world is small as well and there are many places to experience.

Maybe AC will change if people continue to vote by going to other locations in the Philippines and elsewhere. Military definately should stay on high alert and not let anyone know they are in the service, as if you are in a scam or set up, they will have no mercy on your career if it is a way to get your money.

The tourist police are not there and seems the streets are showing it with nothing but people getting set up and held in jail for money.

Peace

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Genghois
02-21-09, 00:59
Whatever Carmex and Wrong Info have to say, let's all enjoy ourselves!

Yes, we have``````

Hesekiels
02-21-09, 15:06
Whatever Carmex and Wrong Info have to say, let's all enjoy ourselves!

Yes, we have``````


Genghois:

yes, you are perfectly right! However, during my recent visit I had (again) an awesome time in AC! At 3pm excellent afternoon sessions with a couple of bargirls (some additional pocket money for them while being off duty!), and at night fantastic LT services (even with girls from Blue Nile!).

Well, maybe it is just a misunderstanding and Wrong Info/Carmex refer to an entirely different place in the Fils that is also called Angeles City? :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Wrong Info
02-21-09, 18:09
It is not just Carmex and Wong info and that is easily found by just rading back thorugh the posts on this board. It is further told on many other boards, so it is not just us.

I kind of get a kick out of these boards to tell the truth. I read some that are as if a bar owner paid someone who can write to write a chapter from a novel and post it. What you don't see is the Bar Owners come out and say " I am a bar owner posting" and do you think for one minute they do not read these boards or post to them when they know for a fact that 100 % of the people coming there have ead them?

So we know they are posting as if they were people who have come there, and posting unrealistic expectations.

No one has said do not go there, just that there are many negatives you should know of, and as well there are much more enjoyable places than that tiny. Corupt. Dust bowl.

I am sure some of the posters that like to defend the goings on there woudl say it is not as corupt as I say---LOL.-- however that is just laughable.

The Philippines on a whole has been voted the most corupt in Asia for many years running. That is saying quite a bit when you cosider how corupt most of Asia is. To believe that a place that literally touts itself as " the sin city of the Philippines", in a place where prostitution is illegal, yet it is the make up of a good 80 % of its economy, you would have tbe a complete idiot to not be able to read between the lines of how corupt it is.

In fact to further the warnings. Some have even reported getting set up in recent bar raids going back to their hotel with a girl they rented from a bar, and the police stating the girl had told them she gave a statement to them she was taken for the pirpose of prostitution- and if the forienger did not ow pay the kind and concerned officer. He would be taken to jail!

This has said to have been ironed out and was only going onn during negotiations with the bars to pay highere extortion fees to the politicians running the zoo. Try and keep an open eye.

As there is a on going development of ways to seperate you from your money and in some cases jail you if neccesary.

It is aftere all 80 % of the economy in AC and who that lives there does not want to make a living?

Good Luck and try and not beleive Bar Owner Post that are full of shit!

Wrong Info
02-22-09, 04:21
I'm a long time lurker this is the first time I've had anything to report. This is my first time in Angeles also.

Didn't barfine anyone from Gentleman's club, Peanuts or Dirty Duck. But I got a positive vibe from all those places. A few 6-7's in each place. 50p drinks for happy hour were quite enjoyable.

But I had my mind set on Blue Nile. A lot of potential there, a dark skinned girl whose name begins with W intercepted me as I started to wander into Neroes. I asked the mamasan if she was available for barfine, mamasan said yes. The hickey on her left boob convinced me it was true. IMHO she was way hotter than anything else I'd seen so far. After I bought her a drink I could tell she wasn't into me, but I was pretty buzzed now. After the second lady drink she tells me it's her time of the month. So why did the mamasan tell me she was available? Mamasan offers me a free drink. I decide to check the ticket and there's four local drinks in the cup. So it's not a free drink at all. I protest and the extra ticket disappears. Since W is not available, I barfine the girl with the second biggest boobs in the place.

Big mistake. Right away she turns the TV on and the volume way up. She's texting somebody. When I try to talk to her she's looking at the TV. Then she tells me her sister is in the hospital. We do it missionary and there's a pretty bad smell. I wasn't able to finish. She asks me for 200 pesos for trike and I refuse then 100, when I refuse again she walks out without saying a word.

Apart from the Blue Nile, I'm still having a great time talking to mamasans and flirting with girls in other bars. Don't get the wrong idea, I'm still ecstatic to be here.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Aprecate the honet and truthfull report. And that is what most that are not bar owners posting have reported.- Blue Nile does indeed suck wind and the girls are nasty twats of the worst kind in there. Keep in mind he also owns several other bars on lower fields and this has indeed become the norm in most of the bars. Interesting you reported a funky smell as well, as lots are now noticing a funk that has appeared and it has dripped its way all over AC.

You see many a guy would rush to bang a twat with big tits not realizing she may have the nasty twat, and then it spreads to all the others as the guys bang other girls because this NASTY BIRD got them dirty. Most do not even realize they are dripping a green oooze. If you don't wear a raincoat make sure you get a shot before sex with your wife or GF.

Seems there are many more reporting this type of thing than just 2.- in fact if there werent propoganda posters, I would imagine AC would get almost no positive report.

Rubberyman
02-22-09, 10:58
Man, I just don't get it. It's like I visited an entirely different city than these guys.


I think it is pretty simple.

First of all, there ARE some scammers out there. There ARE also a few ladies that do runners. There ARE some bars that overcharge.

On the other hand there ARE people who always fall for the scams, and there ARE people who serially pick runners, and for some crazy reason keep going back to the bars that charge high drink prices. I can understand why such people might not have a high opinion of AC and its bars.

I have been going to AC regularly for several years and get caught on each of the problems above once in a while. However, if I get overcharged a couple of times and a runner once in a couple of weeks, it is not something that ruins my life and doesn't turn me any more bitter and twisted than I already am.

For me, if a bar overcharges or the mamasan gives crappy advice and then does not give a refund - I just do not go back on that trip. Simple - there are so many bars that do give good advice, have friendly ladies and cheap beers that YOUR experience is correct Mr Fusion - as long as you move onto the next bar if the one you are in stiffs you.

Wrong info - maybe some bar owners are posting here. Quite possible. However, there are so many bars that it is almost impossible for them to fudge it. You obviously had a bad time - and I do not disbelieve you.

However, you really need to try different bars, or perhaps a different approach, or perhaps get someone to give you some advice on why you are getting these bad times. For example, if I had a personal problem, it is unlikely that the ladies would say anything outright, but they certainly would use all the excuses (menses, cherry, already barfine etc) to not go with me, and if they did barfine, would run off at the first opportunity. I hasten to add that this may not apply in your case, but if you are getting a bad time in AC, there may be an easily rectifiable problem that you are unaware of. It happens.

Wrong Info
02-22-09, 16:47
I think it is pretty simple.

There ARE some bars that overcharge.....

For me, if a bar overcharges or the mamasan gives crappy advice and then does not give a refund - I just do not go back ...

Wrong info - maybe some bar owners are posting here. Quite possible. However, there are so many bars that it is almost impossible for them to fudge it. You obviously had a bad time - and I do not disbelieve you.Rubbery,

I know you arbeing democratic and ofcourse there are Bar Owners from almost every Bar posting on every sex chat site on the net - lol. Lets not be naive, this is their business and every guy that likes pay 4 play reads these boards before they travel. This is the bread and butter of thier business and ofcourse they know it. That is why it is so painfully obvious that hey post MISONFORMATION and flattering remarks of the expected service their establishmets give , if not you may think out of litterlay 10's of Thousands of Bars in the World - at least there would be one poster that admits he or she is a bar owner.

Not even one assures you there are indeed most likely an abundance of them positng.

As far as my posts though - I am sure you are well intended - but it is usually these types that want to spin it into " YOu had a bad time", or something off topic. Then under this guise go on to post something that suggests for some reason mine and the many other posters confirming the experience are for some reason just the few cases. Reality is most people will read these boards, very few post and tell of theier experience. for every one negative there are probably a thousand that did not post, as they are not among those who want their travels known.'

Rest assured this has nothing to do with only my expereince, but more usintg this site for what it is intended, and that is to let others know what to expect and how to deal with it. Then as you mentioned things can be ameliorated into a positive fashion, and hopefully the reader can shape their trip into a good time.

The true problem in AC is that, like my posts, there are soooooooo many others that post the same experiences, and it is becoming known and many are passing on even atempting to enjoy themselves as ther are other places better proven.

This being the case, it is certainly not my fault, but more the fault of the Bar Owner that does not know how to run a succesfull business.

YOu can rest assured I have been into every Bar in Angeles City and even some places there that most would not venture. I see places that do it right and have posted them. I have said in past posts what bars are good and which ones are awefull. So it is not a post of, as you have implied, me having a bad time. It is me reporting the experience and what you can expect!

I will point out that the bars that have a bad reputation on one trip , are almost definatetly not going to change the next time you go . for example the case of the other posters reporting they had a runner at Blue Nile. This bar is under the same ownership and has been for many years. It has been reported for years that they train their girls to be runners and it is reported year after year.

The one thing I like is you say if you have a negative experience in one bar do not go back- I would say if you have a bad expereince then do not EVER go back to that bar, as the owner has established his business model and that is the way they run things. Most are not young and this is the way they have run theri lives and will not change.

The absolute worst on on Fields in the main tourist area and include, Typhoons, Dirty Duck, DollHouse, Blue NIle and anything within 200 Yards Pretty Much,

and as you go up around the corner toward perimiter a shame but Brown Sugar, Butterfly Rocks, and Honey Pots which changed its name from ClassRoom are nothiing but a waste of time and money -


Can you get laid o of those bars ?
certainly you can if you do not mind fighting off drink and cherry girl scams for most of the night to see if you can pull a pice of tail that will 80% of the time + try and run after 15 minutes in your room.

The crazy thing is as you get closer to perimiter, wich is not that far from fields and lots think of the place as a bug place - NOT - , but the latter Bars I mentioned are not even worth trying to get a piece of tail from. Butterfly-brwon Sugar-Honey Pot are pretty much spreading the same crap but worse than the Fields bars.

To those who want to go - I encourage it. Life is definatey to short not to - however I also submit it imuch to short to waste time once you have been on places that offer less of a experience than thousands of other places including massage parlors in your own town...

Wrong Info
02-22-09, 17:06
As for transpo from Manila to AC or Subic I have used many times

http://www.swaggy.com/index_flythebus.htm

Do not know about the Southern Cross buss and know nothing about it - DO know many in AC have tried BeeLine and reported nothng but bad things, getting overcharged, lost luggage , getting broke dowd and stranded...etc.

The reason I like the " FLY THE BUS "

First it is dirt cheap 400 pesos

Second it's operated by Swagman Hotel and they have been in the Philppines doing this longer than any of the bars, hotels or transpo companies mentioned on any of these sites.

I hate their hotel as it is a dump, but the Fly the Bus is a great , easy way, to travel with all the fixings, beer for sale, etc. I have never had any problems personaly , but if ever they break down there is someone there to pick you up ASAP, as they have Busses leaving every day , several times a day , and always have a back up ready for any problems.

Lots of the newer ones do not have many customers and are yet established, on the Fly the Bus you will get lots of BalyBakyins(Philipinos) and others that have long history there and know the best ways around.

As for going ot Subic - would not waste my time and go if the Bus was Free, as it is known that the same person that had a hand in F ucking up AC (Dave Fisher) is the big player in Subic. Nothing but negaive reports on his Bars and Hotels there ( TI Treasure Island, Voodoo, Floating Bar, etc), and has been reported on many sites that he is now paying officals to protect his interstsl. This does not usually make for a good time, or in my opinion, a safe place - when there is somoen there actively corupting the officials.

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Blackangst
02-22-09, 19:20
It is not just Carmex and Wong info and that is easily found by just rading back thorugh the posts on this board. It is further told on many other boards, so it is not just us.

I kind of get a kick out of these boards to tell the truth. I read some that are as if a bar owner paid someone who can write to write a chapter from a novel and post it. What you don't see is the Bar Owners come out and say " I am a bar owner posting" and do you think for one minute they do not read these boards or post to them when they know for a fact that 100 % of the people coming there have ead them?

So we know they are posting as if they were people who have come there, and posting unrealistic expectations.

No one has said do not go there, just that there are many negatives you should know of, and as well there are much more enjoyable places than that tiny. Corupt. Dust bowl.

I am sure some of the posters that like to defend the goings on there woudl say it is not as corupt as I say---LOL.-- however that is just laughable.

The Philippines on a whole has been voted the most corupt in Asia for many years running. That is saying quite a bit when you cosider how corupt most of Asia is. To believe that a place that literally touts itself as " the sin city of the Philippines", in a place where prostitution is illegal, yet it is the make up of a good 80 % of its economy, you would have tbe a complete idiot to not be able to read between the lines of how corupt it is.

In fact to further the warnings. Some have even reported getting set up in recent bar raids going back to their hotel with a girl they rented from a bar, and the police stating the girl had told them she gave a statement to them she was taken for the pirpose of prostitution- and if the forienger did not ow pay the kind and concerned officer. He would be taken to jail!

This has said to have been ironed out and was only going onn during negotiations with the bars to pay highere extortion fees to the politicians running the zoo. Try and keep an open eye.

As there is a on going development of ways to seperate you from your money and in some cases jail you if neccesary.

It is aftere all 80 % of the economy in AC and who that lives there does not want to make a living?

Good Luck and try and not beleive Bar Owner Post that are full of shit!
wow....what a post! It sounds like you think every positive post is most likely from a bar owner.

Im not sure what other boards you mean (maybe you cam PM me) but the two AC private boards I belong to arent reporting so many problems. In fact, in the last 60 days there have been close to zero complaints about scams since station 4's staff shakeup in December. There were over a dozen reassignments.

Its funny you mention nasty girls. On one of the boards there was a poll recently about how many girls have you snuck out/barfined that had nasty pussies...I think the total number was single diget. And there are 6 or7 expats on the board who live there fulltime...so i honestly dont think its an issue.

I would like to ask you, since this is a board to share info and help others, what bar had the scam of the girl saying she was prostituted and forcing the punter to pay? I highly doubt this happened. In all my years going to the phils, and belonging to 2 other boards, this is the first time i've heard of this. If this is a new scam it puts the girls and the bars at risk, and we need to be warned.

Im glad I dont seem to have the same luck you have.

Bob Bowie
02-22-09, 21:42
to those who want to go - i encourage it. life is definatey to short not to - however i also submit it imuch to short to waste time once you have been on places that offer less of a experience than thousands of other places including massage parlors in your own town...
last time i visited the local asian massage parlor i paid $90 or uninspired hand job. 50 for the non existence plus $40 for the hj. there was a kfc next door and i was constantly hearing people ordering their fried shit and waiting for the cops to enter with the local tv station filming. hard to relax.

next time i am in manila i can take a detour to ac for a couple of days and choose from hundreds of women to have sex with (gfe style, whatever i want to do all night) for around $32. in the worse case scenario, she leaves (runner) after 1 shot.

$32 > $90

see you all in ac, if i manage to scrape together $64, i will be the white guy with the big smile and a gfe on each arm.

Bob Down
02-23-09, 08:44
I made a reservation a month or so ago at the Pacific Breeze. The reservation is for this comig Sat and Sunday. I am in Manila now. Going to Cebu for a few days in a few hours.

Pacific Breeze confirmed my original reservation but said they'd send a follow up confirmation that I"m supposed to respond to. A week or so before. I've sent several emails to confirm but they have't sent any back. I decided not to get a phone and don't really wanna go through the hassle of calling them if I don't have to.

Can I feel safe that when I arrive on Saturday that they will have my room reserved? I have printed out the original reservation, but just never received their follow up in order to do the final confirmation.

Can anyone shed some light? Thanks.

This should be posted in the AC hotels section, but I will answer anyway. I believe your first reply from PB would say they will send you a confirmation email 4-10 days before arrival, so you still have a couple of days up your sleeve.

Secondly I have never had any troubles with reservations there before. Like another poster reported resently that he was sent to the wrong room at first, I have had that same problem once before. That was an hour after I waited for my room to be made ready.

Wrong Info
02-24-09, 19:08
wow. i have to sit after reading all the spin, some are even as creative in their fiction and spin writing to say that yes the things i say- can and do happen-, but that somehow it just should not be written about in the terms i have written. and that for some reason i am writing something that is awe full. so let me first say that if you have read back a few pages of my posts. yes i do talk a lot about the scams there as they are more than abundant and only happen a very few times. they are rampant and happen in some form to almost everyone that goes!

second lets kill the spin here. and if you read back you will see where i have "encouraged people to go if they havenít been" just that it would not be anywhere near my first choice of places to go. even went as far in a post to let people know what i consider the best and cheapest way to travel on the " fly the bus", for as little as 400 pesos versus paying scammers like beeline travel 1000's of pesos for a service that many have complained about.

so kill the spin there and you can read between the lines to see my posts are acurate, you don't have to ask what bars as if you have read the posts then you know that it has been stated by myself and others, it is in most bars.

as for other posters saying; do not know of any scams after reading the local boards, and what bars did the scams happen in, and bar owners donít post a lot. blahh blahh blahh-

lets kill these false hoods quickly and simply.

one of the local chat sites- which i refuse to mention by name to not promote them as they are nothing but propaganda for bar owners, hotel owners with hotels that donít even have hot water yet claim they are a 5 star hotel, travel and tour operators that have multitudes of complaints, etc.

at any event the one site that was started by a local character named trance that was best friends with a character named dave fisher that started a lot of the bar scams with his bars lolipop- voodo- treasure island- etc.

was even themselves a poster in a round about way of saying what i post is true and that there are many with interests there posting falsehoods on these sites.

they had a moderator that went by the name of mavick. mavick was supposed a local filipino gotten lucky. he was a ex ac street kid that was fortunate enough to have gotten into the us military. ohh thank god for uncle same you ungrateful slouch. anyhow he was reported missing and it was then reported the reason why is he was arrested and being thrown out of the military for posting of illegal activities in ac.

it was further then reported that the way they caught mavivk and it came to the attention of his superiors, is that he was posting on line in that site and many others under false names, threatening to "knife people" who had anything negative to say about angeles city. this board now has as part of their rules of acceptance, that if you are current military you do not enclose or discuss illegal matters for your own good.

to make mattes worse and show you what kind of guy trance is. he and his buddy dave fisher would often allow the banning of members who said anything unflattering about their scams. in fact they even had a thread about a marine that was set up and charged with [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). they seemed to allow any post that was against the marine who bar fined a bar girl and then was charged with [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) this hooker, but if anyone questioned how a marine could get charged with [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) a girl whom he had paid to have sex with. and that there certainly was some strong doubt if he was guilty. then people who posted in favor of the marine were banned from site.

what is real questionable about the marine [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) case, is that it happened in the subic bay area, and it was found and posted later by another bar owner. that dave fisher was indeed very active, and admitted he was indeed active, in paying to corrupt the subic politicians to protect his bar interest there. it seemed in my opinion, that they did not want to allow anything negative to be said about the c-suckers that were framing a kid for [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) to protect his right to scam us and overcharge us on drinks when we go there and then he is all the while protected by police.

at about the same time some months later dave fisher claims he is selling his bars in ac and moving completely to subic. trance just before announces he is selling his site and will now be a moderator on his previous site. i do not believe for a minute that either is true. but a way to cover their tracks and make it appear they do not have a hand in the set ups and promotion of them,

now there are much and many more than 6 or 7 ex-pats that go to that other site, and this is why they have even developed a thread for people to talk about some of the things they donít like and scams, as in my opinion they were all telling trance he was full of it to ban people for stating what they all know was true and factual, because he was butt buddy with bar owners. this is further reason why i believe trance also wants to distance himself from the board he started as many would rather spit in his face than have a drink with him because of it.

as for any spin that i may just be a newbie that does not know, or that posters saying to watch for scams and showing how to get around them are not knowledgeable. that is ridiculous. i have been going for over 10 years, and know as much or more than many of the current bar owners that have gotten scammed into buying a bar there.

i have been to them all thigh high, fire and ice which sucks, gentlemanís, all the way down to friendship and the cold drop and all the bars along the way. some are fun, much more fun than fields, and things can and do happen there to. if you are laughing and saying that stampedes is not a good bar, then you do not know jack squat! i am not trying to promote any one bar, but jimbo has always kept a great bar there, although as mentioned even that has gone down hill somewhat.

again go and have fun if that is what you want, but again always ask how much, check your drink tab, donít tell anyone personal info about yourself, and if your vacation time is limited and you want lost of pussy without weeding through girls that will claim they are cherry girls and not fuck. you may want to choose another destination in the philippines or even elsewhere in asia.

when reading posts realize that it is free promotion to bar owners to post things that appear to make the bars and any underhanded happenings something you should just overlook, lol, if you do they will be sure to take as much as they can and give back as little as possible. at least half the posts on this or any other site are indeed people with interests there posting with an alias to hide there true intentions, it is their business and all who go will read it. what idiot would not say something good about themselves?

whatever you do. do not disclose to any girl you are military. you will then be a target most likely.

Wrong Info
02-24-09, 19:51
I was in PI for about 4 weeks in Dec. I let it be. I sent her off the next morning.

I didn't like Manila at all really except for Jane. I didn't get a chance to visit the infamous P. Burgos street but I don't know if I'm really missing anything. I don't think I would ever pay the prices they want just for pussy. To me pussy is pussy

P.S. I only wrote about the times that I actually got laid, I left all the other crap out. I hope I didn't bore anyone.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.As much as I enjoyy your report I find a few things a bit vague.

You say at one point that you had a great time and there was so much piussy etc - but according to your own report I can cound on one hand the number of times you acutally fucked someone - IN 4 WEEKS?

I also see where you say that you would not pay the prices they want in Manila as "pussy is just pussy" and not worth it - yet you said you paid 2000 pesos for a thick waitress or something in AC - man that is more than I have ever heard of anyone paying there, and seems they were trying to seel you a waitress or mamma and not even a good ole bar girl - maybe becuase they were all cherries or whatever , but IMHO if you were willing to pay more for that then that is why you got had.

I have no question on your staements about Cebu, although I like it better than AC - it does take some doing and getting around there and can be hit and miss. but again how is it you say that you would not pay the price, consider your air fair, hotel , meals, etc -- for the number of times you got laid it is working out to probably around $700 American per piece of ass.

LOL - I am accoridiong to most of these other honest and frequent posters, probably of the most negative posters about AC on here, but can assure you at my worsr I will pull at least 2 or 3 differnt pieces of ass per day...

Good Luck in you r future ventures

Laylow3
02-25-09, 07:27
As much as I enjoyy your report I find a few things a bit vague.

You say at one point that you had a great time and there was so much piussy etc. But according to your own report I can cound on one hand the number of times you acutally fucked someone. IN 4 WEEKS? The reason I didn't BF as many girls as I wanted to was because I didn't see a lot of super hot girls there. Note how at the end of my post I state that Angeles City would be perfect if it only had a place where model-quality girls could be easily found. I liked the ease and atmosphere of Angeles and I did like the quality of girls in Angeles but only compared to the other places I went to. There may be hotties in other places but I found the quality in Angeles to be comparable or dare I say slightly better than that of the other places I visited in the PI. You may wonder what I did when I wasn't mongering. I went to karaoke all the time! It was like $10 for an hour. Perfect for me! I played computer games at that Korean internet place in front of Voodoos like crazy! <- this is the stuff I left out because I'm pretty sure no one wants to hear about my gaming on this wonderful mongering site. Kinda ruins the mood.


I also see where you say that you would not pay the prices they want in Manila as "pussy is just pussy" and not worth it. Yet you said you paid 2000 pesos for a thick waitress or something in AC. Man that is more than I have ever heard of anyone paying there, and seems they were trying to seel you a waitress or mamma and not even a good ole bar girl. Maybe becuase they were all cherries or whatever, but IMHO if you were willing to pay more for that then that is why you got had.

I have no question on your staements about Cebu, although I like it better than AC. It does take some doing and getting around there and can be hit and miss. But again how is it you say that you would not pay the price, consider your air fair, hotel, meals, etc.- for the number of times you got laid it is working out to probably around $700 American per piece of ass.Yes I did get played at Agasya and I noted that in my earlier post. I won't be going back there. Also, they weren't trying to force me to get the mamasan I was. They were trying to get me to BF the other bargirls but it was me who wanted the mamasan badly. $700 per piece of ass. I don't think so, nope. Flights to different places I went. Appx 1700 pesos (cebu pacific), room. 1800-3000 pesos a night (depends), meals $10-15 a day Oh yeah and when transiting to the PI all I had to pay for was my flight from Singapore to Clark which was about US$300. I took a MAC from Hi-Okinawa-Yokota-Singapore for free.


LOL. I am accoridiong to most of these other honest and frequent posters, probably of the most negative posters about AC on here, but can assure you at my worsr I will pull at least 2 or 3 differnt pieces of ass per day.Do you mean you're "pulling" them in the sense of hooking up with them and having sex for free? (you = Brad Pitt) Or do you mean you're BFing 2-3 girls a day which any John Doe with fat pockets can do easily.

Ekspat
02-25-09, 08:33
If you are laughing and saying that stampedes is not a good bar, then you do not know jack squat!
Nope, dont know him.
Okay, will have a look in Stampede in March then. :D

Cheers!

Docwiltro
02-25-09, 11:11
"Wrong Info," it looks like you have disseminated some bad info; the bus fare for "Fly The Bus" to A.C. is p600 na.

[QUOTE=Wrong Info]As for transpo from Manila to AC or Subic I have used many times

http://www.swaggy.com/index_flythebus.htm

Do not know about the Southern Cross buss and know nothing about it - DO know many in AC have tried BeeLine and reported nothng but bad things, getting overcharged, lost luggage , getting broke dowd and stranded...etc.

The reason I like the " FLY THE BUS "

First it is dirt cheap 400 pesos

Rubberyman
02-25-09, 15:01
Wow. I have to sit after reading all the spin, some are even as creative in their fiction and spin writing to say that yes the things I say- can and do happen-, but that somehow it just should not be written about in the terms I have written. .

Yep,

That about sums it up. We know that you don't like AC. That is entirely your prerogative.

*shrug*

I guess that the only thing people can do is go visit AC and experience it for themselves - visit all the bars you have mentioned, buy a few beers there, barfine the ladies and speak to all the guys like Dave Fisher (make a side trip to Subic) and other bar owners. That way people can make up their own minds and then post their results here. If everyone agrees with you, then you may have something. If they don't - your campaign is not worth your effort.

Of course things can change, so they should go revisit AC frequently to make sure they are up to date.

Those of us who can cope with the relatively few attempted scams, and don't mind the endless cheap pussy... bars ...cheap pussy ... bars ... pussy... bars, and did I mention Cheap Pussy, will keep going back for more.

3.5 weeks to 'wheels up' - YEEEHAAAA!

Poopbunny
02-25-09, 21:31
Rubbery,

I know you arbeing democratic and ofcourse there are Bar Owners from almost every Bar posting on every sex chat site on the net - lol. Lets not be naive, this is their business and every guy that likes pay 4 play reads these boards before they travel. This is the bread and butter of thier business and ofcourse they know it. That is why it is so painfully obvious that hey post MISONFORMATION and flattering remarks of the expected service their establishmets give , if not you may think out of litterlay 10's of Thousands of Bars in the World - at least there would be one poster that admits he or she is a bar owner.

Not even one assures you there are indeed most likely an abundance of them positng.

As far as my posts though - I am sure you are well intended - but it is usually these types that want to spin it into " YOu had a bad time", or something off topic. Then under this guise go on to post something that suggests for some reason mine and the many other posters confirming the experience are for some reason just the few cases. Reality is most people will read these boards, very few post and tell of theier experience. for every one negative there are probably a thousand that did not post, as they are not among those who want their travels known.'


I had invited (or was invited) to meet up with 5 fellow ISG members from the AC forum and I did meet up with all 5 of them. All I can say is that they were not bar owners. Perhaps a small sample, but it goes against your suggestion that bar owners proliferate this site. If that were true, I would think at least 1 of the 5 of the ISG members I met or more, were bars owners or turned down offers to meet up so as not to give themselves away.

I would also have to disagree in your suggestion that posters are more likely to post good experiences than bad. IMO I think the reverse is true. This forum would be a place for people to vent their bad experience rather than good ones, similar to customer service getting more complaints from customers than people who were satisfied. Furthermore, some readers and lurkers are more likely to keep good experiences to themselves as they do not want to share the good ones.

Hey Ekspat, I will be there in March too, maybe catch up for an SMB again.

X Man
02-26-09, 05:47
No, he posted out of date information. I paid 600 last time I used F the Bus. I guess the price has come down along with fuel prices.

Thanks for the update DOC.

X


"Wrong Info," it looks like you have disseminated some bad info; the bus fare for "Fly The Bus" to A.C. is p600 na.

[QUOTE=Wrong Info]As for transpo from Manila to AC or Subic I have used many times

http://www.swaggy.com/index_flythebus.htm

Do not know about the Southern Cross buss and know nothing about it - DO know many in AC have tried BeeLine and reported nothng but bad things, getting overcharged, lost luggage , getting broke dowd and stranded...etc.

The reason I like the " FLY THE BUS "

First it is dirt cheap 400 pesos

Wrong Info
02-26-09, 16:41
No, he posted out of date information. I paid 600 last time I used F the Bus. I guess the price has come down along with fuel prices.

Thanks for the update DOC.

X

[QUOTE=Docwiltro]"Wrong Info," it looks like you have disseminated some bad info; the bus fare for "Fly The Bus" to A.C. is p600 na.Nice spin. But I said for as little as 400 pesos. AC is not the only place Fly the Bus goes, and there site has the AC trip posted as 500 pesos, although 600 would still be less than most any other Bus.

LOL. You guys never stop. Hey when you are ther why don't you ask someone why the business owners do not just admit who they are aznd stop posting mis information.

Wrong Info
02-26-09, 16:45
Nope, don't know him.

Okay, will have a look in Stampede in March then. : D

Cheers! Cmon. You first criticise my post and say that I do not know what bars are good. Then admit you have never been to one that I stated, and you are supposed to be the authority on posting,

Yes you should have been in a place and used a service before you state you know better.

Wrong Info
02-26-09, 17:04
iím wrapping up my last full day in angeles, so i thought iíd gather my thoughts while theyíre still fresh. for background, this is my first time in the philippines but iíve been to thailand several times. i apologize for the length of this report. iím trying to include lots of details for first timers such as myself, so any feedback from the more senior posters is always appreciated.

i flew in last week from the us and arrived in manila around midnight. after clearing customs i headed to a money changer and changed $100 so that i would have something to start out with. i previously asked in the general reports section about currency. after the excellent feedback there, what i did was bring 60% cash and several credit cards. i was over budgeting since it was my first time, so even if i had issues withdrawing money using the credit cards i could still have a good time. i had previously made hotel reservations with pacific breeze, and arranged taxi service for myself and a friend who was also going to angeles for the first time. we followed the instructions pacific breeze provided on how to find our driver and were on our way.

from the airport to angeles was about two hours, most of that time spent getting out of metro manila. once we arrived at the hotel i tipped the driver 200 pesos and had the taxi charge put on my hotel bill. i picked the grand jacuzzi, and it was a nice room. for those that have been to pattaya, i think you get better accommodations at dynasty inn for a much cheaper price but my needs were met so i was satisfied with the room. since my friend and i were still awake we decided to see what was available in the early hours of the morning.

we headed to fields and went to dollhouse. it seemed weird to go into a bar at 3am and for everyone to say good morning to you. we were seated against the wall and ordered our beers, 85 pesos if i remember correctly for san miguel lite. dollhouse has a large, roomy feel to it that i canít think of any equivalent go-go bar in thailand. they have an upstairs area that overlooks the somewhat small stage that all the dancers cram onto and has pool tables. after we sipped our drinks for a bit several dancers migrated over to our table. i asked the waitress how much lady drinks were and it was 150 pesos each, although on later excursions to this and other bars we stopped asking and it was usually 250 pesos. some of the girls sitting next to us were attractive enough and i wanted to get into the swing of things, so i began negotiations.

as mentioned previously on this board, it is very helpful to ask the girls upfront whether they will meet your needs. the first girl i talked to turned out to be a cherry girl. another girl beside her pointed to yet another girl and suggested her. i asked her if she did blowjobs and she said if i wanted sheíd even lick my ass, so that worked for me. barfine was 1350 pesos. i apologize for omitting names and bedroom details but iím just not good with those. my friend found someone to his liking and we headed back to pacific breeze. his girl stayed until 10am, mine wouldíve stayed longer but i wanted to do other things so i gave her 500 pesos and sent her on her way. 500 pesos was what i tipped all the girls i barfined if they made me happy, and for this trip i got lazy and tended to repeat with the several girls that worked for me.

here the story will get less linear. day activities: over the weekís stay my friend and i headed to sm clark mall several times. first we tried to walk there, but went straight instead of left at a major intersection and after a long walk admitted we were lost and took a trike. trikes were not bad, at least compared to tuk-tuk drivers in thailand who i despise with a passion. we confirmed the price before getting in, to and from the mall was 70 pesos. i used several of the atms there to withdraw a cash advance against my capital one card. it was $10 finance charge each time, no currency conversion fee as capital one eats that, and around 48 pesos to the dollar. i took out 4000 pesos each time, so i donít know what the limit was. i alternated withdrawing money and changing dollars at the hotel front desk, which was 2 pesos worse than the regular exchange rate. other than wander the mall we usually hung out in our rooms or down at the hotel restaurant. i am an internet junkie so i rented a laptop from the hotel for 250 pesos a day. we sleep a lot during the day and afternoon as our sleep tended to be broken up into 4 hour chunks. part of the problem was our night activities.

night activities: we spent the entirety of the trip trolling the fields bars. i did a solo sojourn to perimeter which i get to in a bit. i have to admit, the layout of the bars is very convenient. in a 5-10 minute walk you can cover all the fields bars. we tended to end up at dollhouse and atlantis. some of the smaller bars we visited like i believe typhoon were too cramped for our tastes, where your choices were either sitting right in front of a wall of women or five feet back. my friend liked atlantisís second floor couches as those gave us some breathing space. it was interesting that for the most part the atlantis girls did not seem to wander about and consort with the customers unless you asked the waitress or mamasan to get them. most of the girls stayed on the second floor stage balcony. we didnít barfine anyone at atlantis, although my friend had several girls come over and bought them drinks. he hasnít mongered in a long time and it was a cheaper thrill than buying women drinks in american bars.

other bars worth mentioning: we actually like agasya because they had nice couches were you could sit down and relax and not be bothered. after having a drink at dollhouse or angelwitch or tropix and having women pester you for lady drinks, it was nice to have a spot to sit, have a drink and only stare at some women. my friend tried to barfine a girl from agasya but she claimed she was on her period. didnít feel any bad vibes for not being korean.

miscellaneous notes: the street people were for the most part easy to ignore, although some of the child beggars were persistent and i had three men in the space of 10 feet try to sell me cialis. if i turned down the guy right in front of you, why would i now buy from you? we stuck with hotel food for most of the stay. it was edible and convenient.

for our last full day my friend decided to take the day tour to mount pinatubo. i am very lazy when it comes to hiking so i declined. instead i decided to check out the perimeter bars. the popular online map confused me, because i thought the distances for the perimeter maps were roughly in line with the fields maps and that a short walk would cover it. the perimeter bars are very much spread out, more like walking street in pattaya except with more non-bar locations. it was along perimeter road that i got scammed.

you canít always go through life without a few pitfalls, and this was my time. a old filipino man with a gap in his upper front teeth pulled up in a trike as i was walking along perimeter and claimed he was from my hotel. i asked him which hotel and he ignored it and continued on. i made the mistaking of not breaking off there but i thought if there was scam i could see it coming and break of then. such was my arrogance. he spoke of general matters and wanted to show me a new bar had just been opened. since i wanted to walk down perimeter i didnít see any harm. further down in a driveway another trike pulls up with another filipino claiming to be owner of said bar. after general banter, including talk of trying to get me to import goods into the country so he could sell them, i let my guard down and i had my wallet in my hand. the owner was quick, he grabbed it and had the money out. i immediately thought full robbery with three filipinos (including the trike driver) to myself. said owner claimed he only wanted to inspect the wallet after much harrumphing gave the money back. after a minute more of conversation i walked away, said owner still claiming later heíd give me free drink coupons for his bar when i headed back his way. some distance away it occurred to me that maybe he didnít give back all the money. sure enough, the few thousand pesos i had were still there, but the hundred dollar bill i planned to change later was gone. well, it was an expensive learning lesson. since i thought was going to be a full robbery it didnít sting quite so much, although i was annoyed that i let my guard down like that. i post this here so that other first timers learn from my experience, and avoid these people. even so, i would not count this as a strike against angeles per se, sucker scams happen everywhere.

aside from being scammed, two things i want to mention about perimeter are matrix brawn bar and imma massage. before the scam i went to matrix brawn to get a blowjob. i picked two of the three women that were there (it was very early in the afternoon) and headed into the back room. there are no curtains between the couches like [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) in thailand, but this time i was the only one there. it was 500 pesos each for the ladies, 55 pesos for the san miguel lite. the ladies looked decent and did the job but after a bit started asking when iíd come, which a little annoying. after the scam i went to imma massage, where i had wanted to get a regular, normal massage. that was 500 pesos and was passable, although not quite thailand. maybe there was more on the menu? i wasnít interested having already got serviced at matrix and the massage lady didnít offer.

this report wandered quite a bit, so if anyone has questions please ask and i will try to fill in the blanks. the information from previous posters was invaluable to me, and i do want to give back to the community. my friend and i have a couple days now to spend in manila, so i will post that information in that section.

thanks

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.i have no doubt of the acuracy of your report

as you have said it was your first time and have to say they saw you coming. as you said when you didn't ask how much the drinks were, then they carged you 250 for what you previously paid 150 for. as well the trikes never charged me more than 30 pesos when walking along to go to the mall, that is where they get the rides during the day as it is about the only thing there.

the bars you mention have among the worst reputation in ac, and i notice while you said you spent part of every dy on one. yet still never barfined from there, is just further proof of the kind of crap they pull now on fields ave. you paid top dollar and yet still were unable to pull a girl out of a bar that was owned by the same bar you came out of, seems they knew your spending habit and considered you a fish on a hook. if he will pay this much and let us sucker him, then keep it up.

as you pointed out all of fields bars are almost within a stones throw and are within a very short distance. while there may be many, they pass the word along quite readily about who you are and what you will pay. by your own report you paid more than i ever have for anything, and got much less action than i have ever gotten there.

this leads me to a real question. how you could say that bar was better thany you have visited in thailnd. there is no bar in thailand i have ever visited that were not selling pussy. there are litterally thousands more bars, and if you have just done as little as go to nana plaza in bangkok then you have seen a better bar than the ones you stated.

the prices you paid were more than you would have in los as well. but at least you got the experiencve now how to handle things the next trip. ask always, do not trust anyone, if a bar hasa chery girl on you hit the door immediately, and for god sake take a cp. they will hook up with you on their own and you will pay as little as 300 pesos for what you paid 2000 pesos for, and bring frineds you can choose from.

i even see one post on here from a guy stayiing on fields asking if anyone can set hiim up with a girl while he is there. if you are in a place that can't keep you busy with girls and you are paying for it. and you have to ask on a site like this. then you have chosen the wrong place!

Wrong Info
02-26-09, 17:42
The proof of what I said has and is going on is not just in my reports, but the reports of others.

You can read every actuall report of people who have gone, and they will all mention the so called: Cherry Girl that they could not bar fine after talking to her and wasting time.

This is a girl who is basically telling you the Bar is having her sell drinks only as she probably speaks English better than the others etc.

Lots of hype about the English ability of girls in AC and it is flat out Bola. They speak less English than almost any place in the Philippines and it is basic learned statements like, Same Same, or You like, and ofcourse the one you will hear more than any is Buy me drink?

This in itself does not make the place bad, but it is the bars that promote the scams and let them go on. They do not care what kind of experience you have and post nothing but false propoganda on this and every other site.

If you ask fist how much, are you a chery girl before even buying a drink, find the places with smaller bar fines and do not pay the sucker prices like 1300 pesos, take or buy a cell phone to get girls numbers, etc, then you will have a much better experience.

Please do not be offended by my posting the things you should do to have a good experience. Seems there are lots that want to discredit posts that owuld seemingly make it better for them and I do not even atempt to wonder who or what they are as it is not important and just further shows my reason.

The continued spin goes on, and I have never said don't go there, or you can't get what you want. I just paint the picture the way it is and tell you how to truly get around the BS and have fun, for some reason lots do not like that.hmmmm.- I am sure it is not a Bar Owner there, LOL

Common sense will tell you this is true, just read others reports.

And

Have a good Holiday.

Wrong Info
02-27-09, 21:24
After all his goings on about shilling by bar owners, which may occur but certainly does not explain why WAY more posters post good things about ac than bash it, he never misses a chance to tell us how great Stampede bar is. Hmmmm. Now all the bashing of other bars combined with THIS would make sense; would make sense coming from somebody with a financial interest IN STAMPEDE!

After reading his posts suggesting Stampede is the only honest bar in town, I tried to find Stampede just to check it out (without success). It certainly is not a household name among the ac hounds. Any other established poster shave opinions on Stampede?No again please do not spin my posts to discredit them. I even stated that I hadsome problems in there as well, but that management responded.

The owners name there is Jimbo.

As far as me ownig a bar there-- I was born at night but not last night, I would be safer in the stock market with my money if that gies you any clue of how the bar business in AC is. Think about it these guys have to try and scam people for $3 bucks, I would not want to be seen or affiliated with them in any way.

LOL _ good try though

HornyGeorge
02-27-09, 23:36
Wrong info says any bar in Nana is better than any in AC. I think he has not been to Nana recently. I was there in January and it was lousy, and my friends that live in BKK never go anymore (except maybe to pick up a FL from the parking lot of Nana Hotel or off of Sukhummvit, but paying Bf to nana gogo girls is NOT happening nowadays). Soi Cowboy is much better for that in BKK. Even Patpong.

But nana gogos have no annoying cherry girls like in Angeles, wrong info will say. My response: better cherry girls than all the katoeys (ladyboys) in gogo bars in nana! Been many years since I saw a bakla in a gogo in AC; in Nana you see them everytime.

How much is a ladies drink in a Nana gogo? And how much is a LD in AC?

About English proficiency, WI says the girls in AC are no better than elsewhere. Well they mauy not be better than girls working in bars in Cebu, Makati etc. But they certainly are lights years ahead of the place where "welcome hansome man", "you go holiday? " and "where you stay? " is the extent of the English spoken.

PS I am not a bar owner nor do I know the owner of Voodoo (whom WI believes is the root of evil). In fact I do not know any bar owners. I like Thailand, and many other places, but nowhere is as much fun for single guys as AC.

Warbucks
02-28-09, 03:51
But nana gogos have no annoying cherry girls like in Angeles, wrong info will say. My response: better cherry girls than all the katoeys (ladyboys) in gogo bars in nana! Been many years since I saw a bakla in a gogo in AC; in Nana you see them everytime.




Lot of complaints about Lady boys :confused: I was in Nana in October. Had a blast... Bar fined ( all here on ISG) a Thai girl with the biggest ass I have ever seen on a Thai lady from Spanky's and she was great in bed and out very complaint and aimed to pleased. I ignored the LBs in Nana and they ignored me. You will find them all over Asia why do they bother some guys and not others :confused: Hell... in AC I don't remember seeing any.

Wrong Info
02-28-09, 21:41
no again please do not spin my posts to discredit them. i even stated that i hadsome problems in there as well, but that management responded.

the owners name there is jimbo.

as far as me ownig a bar there-- i was born at night but not last night, i would be safer in the stock market with my money if that gies you any clue of how the bar business in ac is. think about it these guys have to try and scam people for $3 bucks, i would not want to be seen or affiliated with them in any way.

lol _ good try thoughhate to quote myslef, but you must realize that what i have said is taken out of context quite a bit.

nana and ac just do not compare and if you have been you know the difference. read from the response by horny george, and see where he says his freinds go fro fre lancers. well that is a lot of the nana scene- can pick them up in discos etc, for cheeeeeep.

ac does indeed have many lady boys- while i am sure not as many as bkk. just read the replies.

english is not spoken any better in ac from the bar girls and that is just plain crap. that is something touted for many years on many sites and is nothing but bar owner crap

as for the bar owner i spoke of (dave fisher) owner of voodo, ti treasure island, lollipop, etc. he had a meeting with other bar owenrs and where he said he ws in the process of negotiating with politicians and police to limit any competition. he has had people picked up right from his bars for **** girl scams, he has had his buddies chat sites allow people to defend the corupt cops who set up a us marine for [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) of a girl whom was bar fined f sex- and ban others for defending the marine.

so if you want to be part of that kind of scum horny george. sorry but you won't be on any buddy list of mine.

he is on the business of paying the cops to do what he wants them to do and in my opinion makes him just that. the cops.

wonder why so many have been in set ups out of his bars?

Wrong Info
02-28-09, 21:48
If you do not know what ABAC is. It is a Tatoo that means all cops are bastards.

If someone is paying off the cops to set up or limit things in a area. Are they any different from the cops?

This has and is the situation in AC. In fact in other areas of the Philippines it is quite normal to have dealings with people on the streets, and to have no problems.

Inm AC it is alomost asured that if you try and pick up a free lancer or have a dealing with someone from the street, you are heading for jail and a payoff or have your life torn apart.

If anyone wants to defend that type of crap at least see them for what they are.

Wrong Info
02-28-09, 22:31
This is not meant either bad or good

But for theoster horny george that said there arnt many LB's in AC, think again.

In fact at Tender Tocuh Bar there is a manager that is a Mammasan as he is gay. If you are talking and decide to buy him a drink you are charged LB prices.

So not only are there lady boys there and on the street. But also working in the bars,

Must have been quite a while since you were there.

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Wrong Info
02-28-09, 22:38
To quiet the likes of horny george that say I am on a rant against the Philippines---blahh blahh blahh.-- becuase I report the truth and how to get around SCAMS by Dave and his buddy Trance scaming and seting people up and bar owners posting as real posters

If you are ever going to go now is the time. Although I would recomend other areas than AC

$1 = 48. 20 or Euro is like 69 Pesos

The only time I have seen it better was in like 2000 and even then it was only like 54 peso to the dollar.

Ask how much. Are you a chery girl before buying a drink. What do you do. And

Have a good holiday.

Darth Sushi
03-01-09, 04:53
EGAD, man! :D How about a separate thread for Wrong Info. Call it the "Chicken Little" thread because the sky is supposedly falling in AC.

Ekspat
03-01-09, 05:49
Then admit you have never been to one that I stated,

Being roughly 50 times to AC in this decade, believe me, I've been to every bar. And Stampede is one of those I go from time to time, but I don't expect much.
Having a drink there and move on.
Okay, maybe it has improved the last months or so, I'll see.

Yes you should have been in a place and used a service
I think I have done that as well..... :D

Wrong Info
03-01-09, 06:30
EGAD, man! :D How about a separate thread for Wrong Info. Call it the "Chicken Little" thread because the sky is supposedly falling in AC.Why spin in this direction when I just said now is the time to go, LOL

Why don't we call it the tell it like it is so people know what to expect thread?

Wrong Info
03-01-09, 06:37
Ok it has been said not to far back in this thread that the AC bars are better.

We are not talking just woman, but the whole experience, wich in Thailand is say what you want, pay for it, and enoy, in AC it is get past the hustle and count your drink ticket and make sure she isn't a chery girl hustler.

I will wrap this up pretty quick.

There is no bar in AC where you can see a girl shoot a dart from her pussy

Period end of argument.

Sagramore
03-01-09, 14:58
Wrong Info is certainly living up to his name.

I have been to AC 8 times in the last 4 years, my stays have ranged from 2 weeks to 2 months. Clearly I'm not a veteran but I'm not a newbie either.

I can honestly say that I have never experienced the horrors that Wrong Info reports are rampant in AC. This isn't to say that bad things never happen in AC, but clearly everything Wrong Info says needs to be taken with a grain of salt as he obviously has an ax to grind.

One of his more recent bits of misinformation concerns the manager of Tender Touch; he is not a lady boy nor is he gay.

Cheers!

Poopbunny
03-01-09, 21:37
Wrong Info is certainly living up to his name.

I can honestly say that I have never experienced the horrors that Wrong Info reports are rampant in AC. This isn't to say that bad things never happen in AC, but clearly everything Wrong Info says needs to be taken with a grain of salt as he obviously has an ax to grind.

One of his more recent bits of misinformation concerns the manager of Tender Touch; he is not a lady boy nor is he gay.

Cheers!

I've been to Voodoo and did not get ripped off. Can't say the same for the other punters, so maybe, maybe not. There were quite a few regulars, I'm guessing they were not ripped off (and not WI either) otherwise they would not be back. The owner seems nice enough. I think there were 2 or 3 manager/owners. 1 was a younger guy and the other was older. I don't think I saw the 3rd one.

HenryV
03-01-09, 22:29
Having stayed at the Nana last year permit me to weigh in on this one.

I found the A/C bars far more friendly, and it is easier to communicate. Nana bars are absolutely cut-throat city. Nothwithstanding, I am not sayaing there are not plenty of very pretty girls there.

However, that Nana Parking Lot scene, at 3-4, standing alone is worth the pilgrimage.



Wrong info says any bar in Nana is better than any in AC. I think he has not been to Nana recently. I was there in January and it was lousy, and my friends that live in BKK never go anymore (except maybe to pick up a FL from the parking lot of Nana Hotel or off of Sukhummvit, but paying Bf to nana gogo girls is NOT happening nowadays). Soi Cowboy is much better for that in BKK. Even Patpong.

But nana gogos have no annoying cherry girls like in Angeles, wrong info will say. My response: better cherry girls than all the katoeys (ladyboys) in gogo bars in nana! Been many years since I saw a bakla in a gogo in AC; in Nana you see them everytime.

How much is a ladies drink in a Nana gogo? And how much is a LD in AC?

About English proficiency, WI says the girls in AC are no better than elsewhere. Well they mauy not be better than girls working in bars in Cebu, Makati etc. But they certainly are lights years ahead of the place where "welcome hansome man", "you go holiday? " and "where you stay? " is the extent of the English spoken.

PS I am not a bar owner nor do I know the owner of Voodoo (whom WI believes is the root of evil). In fact I do not know any bar owners. I like Thailand, and many other places, but nowhere is as much fun for single guys as AC.

Genghois
03-04-09, 02:29
1. They are supposed to be certified virgins by the Doctor.
Are they true virgins? Never did any in AC so I do not know.
Koreans and Japanese are the people who want virgins and willing to
pay lot of money.
2. They are annoying in the sense they want to make money by lady drinks and they do not volunteer the info that they do not want to be barfined.
Some will agree to the barfine. I have barfined them few times. Experiences range from nice eye candy, total GFE without sex, BBBJ , sex on the V without total insertion.
There were a few times I could have taken advantage of their being drunk and extremely horny but I am not the type. They depend on the big money by selling their virginity.
3. Barfining a nice, young , good looking cherry girl is fun if you want to take a break from sex. Best thing is to have a virgin and her friend who you can fuck.
4. If you want to avoid them ask the waitress before you invite the girl to sit with you.
5. If you are interested in paying for their cherry the going rate is anywhere from 20,000- 100,000 pesos.
The bar does not get any money from this. They get only the barfine.

Really simple. If she is a hottiee and is she fun to be with, go for it!

One of my favorite AC girls of all time was a cherry girl at Dollhouse. She was fun to hang with and hopelessly gorgeous.

So you take you choices. It`s an annoyance that the bars are full or them, but you learn quickly that they`re there, and you need to ask some questions. But forget what WrongInfo has to say, if you know the way it works, you will be a happy man.

And out on Perimeter, it`s not an issue.

Wrong Info
03-05-09, 22:16
Annoying Cherry girls excuse my ignorance are these virgins ?

Could anybody clarify please why annoying and anything else i may need to know before i go in May

ThanksNo they are not virgins they are on there period-

Some may not be able to pass the doctor visit. Which just means they didn't have pay off money that week. And can now just sell drinks.

Some are on on their period and looking for suckers that will think they are virgins and have a certified v on health card, all that takes is about $5 bucks and some are as old as 50 years old and still have a V vard.

LOL. Think with the big head and you will go far. Ask how much and what willl you do before you start buying anything, even a drink!

Wrong Info
03-05-09, 22:20
One Thing That Is Overlooked On This Thread Is The Fact That While There Are A Bunch Of Bars Together In Ac

There Is No Topless Or Nude Bars Like In Other Pay For Pleasure Destinations

Sometimes Makes Me Curious Why No One Mentions It -

But No Titty Bars - Sexy Bakini Yes - Show Tits Not Allowed In Any Bars And Girls Often Do Not Live Up To The Outfit When Naked.

To Be Honest Some Bars Will Have A Small Show At Close Time, Or You Mught Find A Freek Willing To Stroke You Off Or Something -

But If Looking For A Place That Has Strip Clubs

Ac Does Not Allow Them And It Is All Buy A Drink And See If She Is A Cherry Girl.

======================================

Hi,

I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...

Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!

Jackson

Ekspat
03-06-09, 07:46
Show Tits Not Allowed In Any Bars
Nonsense. Seems you've visited the wrong bars. :D :D

Cheers!

Blink157
03-06-09, 08:14
One Thing That Is Overlooked On This Thread Is The Fact That While There Are A Bunch Of Bars Together In Ac

There Is No Topless Or Nude Bars Like In Other Pay For Pleasure Destinations

Sometimes Makes Me Curious Why No One Mentions It -

But No Titty Bars - Sexy Bakini Yes - Show Tits Not Allowed In Any Bars And Girls Often Do Not Live Up To The Outfit When Naked.

To Be Honest Some Bars Will Have A Small Show At Close Time, Or You Mught Find A Freek Willing To Stroke You Off Or Something -

But If Looking For A Place That Has Strip Clubs

Ac Does Not Allow Them And It Is All Buy A Drink And See If She Is A Cherry Girl.

======================================

Hi,

I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...

Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!

Jackson

hi,
do you mean nude bars, as in nude tourists? In that case I can come up with allmost 50% of the bigger bars in AC. Nudity have been spotted allmost during the whole day. Specially if alcool, sorry, if alcohol is involved and consumed. Mostly during happy hours, guess you know what time that is.
There are also some nude bars for dancers in Diamond subdvsn, called matchbox and one near the orchid inn hotel, but as a straight guy I havent been there yet, have you?
Back to the topic. There are indeed nude dancing bars in AC with FEMALE dancers who get nude. Not those one who get nude in the CR. Thats another story. I mean we dont want to talk about those ones. Just about those bars where you can see a lot of naked women lined up on stage, as in nana-nana plaza with some shiny looks in their eyes (drugs or drugged?oh my gosh no way!) presented to the meat hungry first timer over there who has never get to see a naked girl in all his life. Yes, Im on your side, 100%, I remembered that was a big thing when I fly to BKK in my twenties and got my rocks off. Nowadays, well, not that much.
Sorry, out of topic again. There are some bars where you can see nude girls. I think striptease and shows are done in those pinoy bars down at Diamond Subdvs. You pay some covercharge, get your beer and can team up with the locals, cheering to the mummies who walk along the sage, stripping, given you a frozen smile and act like a prom que...sorry like a porno queen.
Just dont do the mistake and get one of this girls at your tabel, some of them have their pinoy bf outside waiting for them. Not a good thing to do if you not carrying any weapon with you :D
Last week I spot some other nude dancers, when I walked to the CR at Neros. The CR is just oposite the dressroom of the dancers. Grab a beer and just stay there, given "the dirty look" plus a grin to the chicks. I bet they like that.
Sorry I couldnt make it to stop by at Stampede bar last week. I got scammed by a young hot chick for 1400p who did the yankee doodle dance all night on top of me in my room :)
Anyway I will look out this weekend for more "nudity" in Angeles city and report when Im back at my office here in Manila where I just sit and write this non sense report :D

Happy weekend to all

Blink

Wrong Info
03-06-09, 18:15
Ok so the responses I got actually tell that my post was indeed true and factual.

I can only say that to only be able to come back to a debate with a answer lke

" there are some down in diamond subdivision for locals,. I think "

Or

" nudity does happen sometimes when people are drinking "

Or

" there are a few of them there"

And then one real creative reply of

" nonsense"

That then gives no details of bar names or times or anything else

Only go to show what I said is indeed true and factual, that there are no straight out strip clubs that allow tourist, and that there are a very few that will allow a girl or two to show some breast at special times.

But címon, you got to be kidding me out of what they claim is hundreds of bars that there are only two you think that may show some nudity at times if a girl is drunk?

And of those it is only when they get drunk as you state or at a special time or place?

What a waste of my time and money in my opinion if I am going looking for strippers and fun clubs. Even most of the girls will complain if you want to see some titty before bar fining them as lots are stretched up mommys, as is the case in most bars in any place in the world, but for some reason we are supposed to belive not in AC right?

As far as one poster alluding drug use more in other places.bola bull my friend. It is indeed in other places, but

It is more rampant in AC than any other place in asia. Marijuana is grown all around, and although highly illegal, only Mexico can claim that they grow more than the Philippines, and the Philippines is second in the world at the growth and production of that plant.

I would estimate at least a good 50 to 70 % of the girls are also using a drug called shaboo which is the ice or meth-crack of that region.

So lets keep the info real and not try and paint pictures that are false, as some poor sucker reading your posts for, Geckos bar that many have reported chey girl scams etc, may actually believe the girls do not use drugs and do not steel, abnd always tell the truth. Hahahahaha.

X Man
03-07-09, 11:05
WrongInfo

Based on your original response about "nude bars", I agree that what you wrote was "true and factual".

But, you didn't give the original poster any clues about how to find what he was seeking -- others did. Maybe you shouldn't shout so loud about "propaganda".

And the rest of your posts declines into delusional madness. You seem to say over 50% of the women are drug users. You seem to have some inside knowledge of marijuana production, but then beam over to meth use -- and none of it is substantiated in any way (but you've asked others to give names and places).

My only suggestion is that WrongInfo be more descriptive of his own experiences rather than overgeneralizing about the entire AC scene. And no matter what a great time anyone has at a particular bar, you probably shouldn't name it if it is in a grey area regarding the laws.

X

Ok so the responses I got actually tell that my post was indeed true and factual..

Ekspat
03-07-09, 12:13
And then one real creative reply of "nonsense"

It's okay, WI.
I can't count the boobs anymore I've seen and had in my hands in the bars.
Also sample BBBJ's in the bar.
Maybe I had just hallucinations or wishful thinking.

You live your life and I prefer mine.
EOD.

With greetings from AC! :p
Cheers!

ThatGuy865
03-07-09, 15:45
I'd say "Wrong Info" should take his ass some where else if AC is such a lame place to monger. Why does he go.

Many of the clubs uniforms are sheer nylon blouses exposing everything.

I'd have to agree with Ekspat.

I can't remember all the nipples I've fondled and kissed, or all the small danty hands that stroked my balls as I quench my thirst, oh and yes lets not forget those samples. What a beautiful thing. Yep must have been hallucinations.

Wrong Info
03-07-09, 18:01
WrongInfo

Based on your original response about "nude bars", I agree that what you wrote was "true and factual".

But, you didn't give the original poster any clues about how to find what he was seeking -- others did. Maybe you shouldn't shout so loud about "propaganda".

And the rest of your posts declines into delusional madness. You seem to say over 50% of the women are drug users. You seem to have some inside knowledge of marijuana production, but then beam over to meth use -- and none of it is substantiated in any way (but you've asked others to give names and places).

My only suggestion is that WrongInfo be more descriptive of his own experiences rather than overgeneralizing about the entire AC scene. And no matter what a great time anyone has at a particular bar, you probably shouldn't name it if it is in a grey area regarding the laws.

XWow you fellas seem to take this pretty personal, when in fact if I was actually lieing you would have the place all to yourself. Seems a bit confusing, but then I know you just spend time every day to come and defend these posts as it is something you feel will bennefit you in some way--LOL.- and that my posts must be something that are really so untue that it must hurt the business there somehow, when in fact you earlier claimed that these had nothig to do wh the business in the bars and the owners would never think to posts propoganda on these boards that every guy reads.

How is the bar business anyway? Hahahahahah

Kinda slow from what I can tell with the propoganda posts. You must not have much else to do.

As far as me having some inside knowledge of marijuana production. Hahaha, it is a statistic released from their own government.

Hahhaha. The meth use is shaboo and they again release their own statistics. I guess the asian country's also made up the fact the Philippines is the most corupt in asia as well?

Google it and you will see.

Lets get this straight my posts are not made up and are factual, in fact I will refer to the scams and set ups that you characters that we all belive are just average posters. LOL. Said were not true and it was just something that almost never happened. Well guess again fellas.

In fact the Bars got rid of the tourist police and the scams got so out of control against tourist that the Barnagay council had to step in and put a letter out with numbers for tourists to call if they were thrown in jail and needed help. This letter went out tol bars and hotels as the news had spread all over the world that innocent pple were getting thrown in jail in the Philippines.

I guess you will say that the hotel Royal Amsteredam has for years given a warning for guests not to talk to anyone on the street as it was dangerous and there were scams going onn. This is just me ranting right, LOL,

Read them and weep--- my posts are true and to the point--- and the bars are not strip bars like in other places and it is not allowed and they would get raided and bribed for money if they went topless. If they were then they would out right be able to say in their posts debating mine that they were stip bars. They can't say that stright out becuase they arent.

They want you to get drunk and act like a jack ass before you even get to see a titty, yes eome places have a body paint contest or something about once every 3 months where they will have body covered with a painting, or a girl may allow you to see her tits from time to time, most will complain and nag though if you want to see any nudity. Some bars will have a skimpy outfit they allow to wear once in a while, but it is not every day and you have to be in the right bar at the right time.

Case proven by your own posts. They are not strip bars as you would expect and just to see nudity in a bar is something you have to work at.

Wrong Info
03-07-09, 18:14
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because the subject was not related to the purpose of this Forum, which is as follows:

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex.

Wrong Info
03-07-09, 18:17
Can't seem to figure out how to post this letter.

I have tried to resize it.

Lets try again if not it is posted on harry the horses Febuary issue.

ThatGuy865
03-08-09, 06:22
I believe with Wrong Info/Carmex. Is they see the glass half empty where others see the glass half full.

I have no doubt there are runners in AC. Maybe 1 out 5 to 10 will be runners, depending on your ability to read women. I mean there are no perfect locations. And there will always be women who don't please you or meet your expectations when do P4P.

As for scammers/beggars/T-shirt sellers. You are going to a 3rd world country. In the midst of WORLD ECONOMIC CRISIS. What do you expect of course the numbers have increased.

If you want to go to an underdeveloped country and exploit their cheap available women. You have to deal with the other parts of their society that goes along with it.

If you are going to go to a 3rd world country. Don't expect 1st world standards. Man up and quit whinnin.

Carmex
03-08-09, 10:33
I believe with Wrong Info/Carmex. Is they see the glass half empty where others see the glass half full.

I have no doubt there are runners in AC. Maybe 1 out 5 to 10 will be runners, depending on your ability to read women. I mean there are no perfect locations. And there will always be women who don't please you or meet your expectations when do P4P.

As for scammers/beggars/T-shirt sellers. You are going to a 3rd world country. In the midst of WORLD ECONOMIC CRISIS. What do you expect of course the numbers have increased.

If you want to go to an underdeveloped country and exploit their cheap available women. You have to deal with the other parts of their society that goes along with it.

If you are going to go to a 3rd world country. Don't expect 1st world standards. Man up and quit whinnin.

Hey buddy, don't lump me in the same category as WI. The point of my last post was that AC is not the same to me anymore. And, as is my preference, I will explore other parts the world and the PI.

Checking my passport, I saw that I traveled to AC seven times in the last 12 months. Can you say that? If so, then you are informed enough to draw your own conclusions and post them here on the forum, same as I have done.

Maybe I have AC overload and need a break. Who knows? I could take every vacation I had ever been on in my life, put them all together, and it still could not compare to my first trip to AC.

And give me a break about that 3rd world country shit. No kidding! 3rd world is being out in the jungle and watching your LT barfine climb a coconut tree with her barefeet to get me a coconut.

Go sell crazy someplace else because we are all stocked up here-Nicholson

Wrong Info
03-08-09, 20:04
Just because there is no "live/nude" sign outside the bar doesn't mean it can not be found, it is just a case of right place at right time.As pointed out there are no strip bars and that was what I originally said. LOL.

I also said you would have to be in the right place at the right time and sometiimes it happened. The purpose of this subject is to let others know what to expect and what the experience is like. If that can't be said then you must look elsewhere to get the info you need, and many that look here but do not post look for this information. So like it or not that is the way it is.

As for a poster saying SOB is the spot for nude shows. WRONG!

SOB acutally was cancelled for quite a while as the host bars got raided for allowing nudity. Some think it was Dave Fisher owner of Lollopop, TI, Voodo, etc that was jealous of his competition holding the SOB's, and therefore informed on them.

The new SOB gathering is again only on certian days and times and does not contain any of the previous nudity that it did before. I don't know where you get the "cheep charlie" balogney as SOB is a private cover party and it is the same price for all. And must add as well it is more and there is ofcourse less to offer. The term cheep charlie is a bar owner created term that is only used to hustle drinks, as it basically means buy drinkd and pay more for something other than pussy.

Hey go if you want, but you should know what to expect and if it is strip clubs or seeing lots of nudity to get excited it is not happening in AC as pointed out even by those criticising my posts, and as reported by many others AC Philippines is definately not the place it used to be.

Enjoy your holiday wherever you go fellas and do not be fooled by guys that post things that may have taken place ten years ago, or what a bar owner posting under a fake name may want you to think.

I would much rather go to some place in Manila, Quezon, or elsewhere, as now with the price increases you can bargain in places like EDSA and hook up with cell phone and pay much less than going to AC, and you don't have to be there only on a certain day to find a place to have fun.

Angeles city has become like a lot of the beach towns like subic, lapu lapu, Boracay, or any other beach town where they know you are out of the main city and just want to scam you with some girl hustling drinks. You may read that Balibago has 700, 000 people, but in reality the actual places you will be at, and that are talked about here on Fields Ave and Perimeter are in a very small area of no longer than about 3 kilometers, and then that is seperated by about a kilometer so it is concentrated in a relatively small area.

Bringing the real info to ya. Peace

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Wrong Info
03-08-09, 20:14
Thanks for the report Acfreddie,

I live in AC and I have noticed this same behavior pattern. One used to be able to hang out on perimeter and have loads of fun with the girls because the attitude was not there. Well, not anymore because now they want a tip just for dancing! Tell me if I'm wrong but I put most of the blame on the managers. If the girls are dancing and having fun then customers stay and buy drinks. If the girls are just holding the walls up looking dead we of course leave. Some managers realize this but most don't, they just let them be. I guess they are relying on the two week millionairs who don't care about such things.

Ciao,

KidI also have to say even perimter has gone a long way down hill. The management is overlooking its customer base as the average tourist usualy does not go there. If you do go make sure to leave early as getting a taxi out is hard, and walking back is dangerous through a unlit stretch in which someone is robbed or worse on a weekly and sometimes daily basis at night.

Not even the locals will walk this stretch at night if they are armed.

I guess this is why the bars have been reported to be pretty much empty on fields as guys have learned and just stick to the cell phone numbers of girls they have met and pay less than half of what a bar will ask, and have a better time going to places with the girls that don't consider them suckers.

Amavida
03-09-09, 03:01
Wow you fellas seem to take this pretty personal...Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! please dont lump us all in with X-Man!
This guy contributes worth while info from time to time but spends A LOT of time on these forums attention seeking (as you noticed) and nit picking to death a few select people.

Just about any new poster has found themselves subjected to his crap & the ONLY way to deal with him is to COMPLETELY IGNORE HIM when he does post nit picking nonsense.
In fact the Bars got rid of the tourist police and the scams got so out of control against tourist that the Barnagay council had to step in and put a letter out with numbers for tourists to call if they were thrown in jail and needed help. This letter went out tol bars and hotels as the news had spread all over the world that innocent pple were getting thrown in jail in the Philippines.

I guess you will say that the hotel Royal Amsteredam has for years given a warning for guests not to talk to anyone on the street as it was dangerous and there were scams going onn. This is just me ranting right, LOL,

Read them and weep--- my posts are true and to the point--- and the bars are not strip bars like in other places and it is not allowed and they would get raided and bribed for money if they went topless. If they were then they would out right be able to say in their posts debating mine that they were strip bars. They can't say that stright out becuase they arent...What you say is quite true.
Dude, the Barangay is the smallest unit of government extortion/corruption.
Those of us who live here have no love for them, they are just part of the cost of doing business here.

AV

Wrong Info
03-09-09, 18:29
Never said it can't be found (hence the SOB club reference). It's usually cloak and dagger and under the table because it is illegal. When too many bars allow it, this is when the police raids start increasing.ok so the point is there are no nude bars in AC. And if you look hard you may finit under the table. Hey if you like that you will have a lot of fun when they start slamming the door on your hard on after you spend your $5000 pesos on drinks and then claim the girls are cherry girls.

Again it isn't a Philippines thing it is a AC thing, problem is untill the last few raids they never took customers down with the crap extortion raids. Now they have begun to take a customer or two with them and that is straight out BS when a guy is going there for what they openly advertise as available.

Looks can be decieving and for those of you trying to spin or argue the point in some manner. Hey you should bhappy then you can have it all to yourself right.

I think if someone is saying AC is the best place etc. They are just inexperienced and have not seen other places, or been able to venture.

Have a good week fellas. And if you do find one willing to show nudity let us know as many go there and are shocked to find:

" There aint no stripping in the strip clubs in AC "

X Man
03-10-09, 01:47
Not sure why you decided to quote me WI. I think I've messaged on this topic only once.

Quoting X Man, Wrong Info wrote:
"I know you just spend time every day to come and defend these posts as it is something you feel will bennefit you in some way--LOL.- and that my posts must be something that are really so untue that it must hurt the business there somehow, when in fact you earlier claimed that these had nothig to do wh the business in the bars and the owners would never think to posts propoganda on these boards that every guy reads."

I agreed with your assertion that nude bars (in the traditional sense) do not exist. My point, as others have made, is that nudity is more likely to be a girl doing some flashing on stage or sitting on your lap with her tits out -- often when the owner / manager is looking the other way. The person who made the original inquiry would have been better served if you had explained that rather than overgeneralizing about the situation.

As for drug use, are you basing your arguement on gov't statistics or your own personal experience or both? I find the 50% drug use stat to be unbelievable -- unless we are taking about alcohol as a drug.

X

Wrong Info
03-10-09, 03:57
I agreed with your assertion that nude bars (in the traditional sense) do not exist. My point, as others have made, is that nudity is more likely to be a girl doing some flashing on stage or sitting on your lap with her tits out -- often when the owner / manager is looking the other way. The person who made the original inquiry would have been better served if you had explained that rather than overgeneralizing about the situation.

As for drug use, are you basing your arguement on gov't statistics or your own personal experience or both? I find the 50% drug use stat to be unbelievable -- unless we are taking about alcohol as a drug.

XMust have been reading someone elses posts then, do no thave to feel the need to defend everything as in your posts with the other poster as well, please do not be so sensitive.

As far as drug use jut have to google it and you will get pletny of information, ofcourse we do not realize it as we think of it as a poor place and think they would not spend money on drugs, but the shabu (a form of crystal meth) is sold for only like $3 bucks and the current government statistics has it at something like phlippines 6 BILLION Pesos per day and growing. Given the numbers it is about the highest in asia per capita income.

In fact drug use in the philippines has gotten so bad that they now test middle school and high school aged children on a regular basis and lots of the parents with the money to send their kids to these upper class schools complain it is not fair.

I do not want to pretend that drug use is not a concern anywhere you go as around hookers and bars it is just a natural fit. It is ofcourse what keeps a lot of the girls thin and keeps them energized to drink all night if they can get it.

Ekspat
03-10-09, 05:33
statistics has it at something like phlippines 6 BILLION Pesos per day and growing.
Means 44 Billion USD (!) per year. The entire GDP of RP for 2008 is 170 Billion USD.
Interesting news.......... The whole country must be totally stoned 24/7.
You have some more useful statistics?? Muhahaha... :D :D

Wrong Info
03-10-09, 13:40
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because the subject was not related to the purpose of this Forum, which is as follows:

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex.

Wrong Info
03-10-09, 13:54
catching up on this thread after a long absence and came upon this doosie:

so where in quezon or manila can you get a better deal than that? you seem to say quite frequently how lousy angeles is nowadays, enough that your views are well known here, so how about sharing the info on all the better places you have found so everybody else quits wasting time in angeles!

and you have taken an obscure figure few (including me) had ever heard of, dave fisher, and made him a household name with all your rants blaming him for single handedly ruining angeles. they say there is no such thing as bad publicity, so you are helping him promote his business by talking about him all the time.

also, the murder of the american by lewis grand hotel is concerning, but it is quite a stretch to argue that stretch between lgh and garfield's is so dangerous locals only walk it at night when armed is quite the hyperbole. "taxis" may be hard to get in the evening on perimeter lol, but there are still jeeps and a trike is never more than a few moments walk away.

on a brighter note, amavida has been making some excellent posts for which i commend him.well i am happy to assist you in your finding the true facts from those of us who have been around and actually know where to go and have a good time there. for this i have to refer you to read more of this own board , that realy you are underestimating saying that other members have never heard of dave fisher , etc.

please read dragon slayers philippines thread andit will fill you in on some of those places, as i wish to keep this reply short since you have not taken the ime to at least read the other threads to get your facts in order before atacking mine becuase i told the truth that ac does not have any strip bars and it is not allowed. by the way i am curious how you have just picked my posts and not the many others that state things along the same lines about the scams and set ups in ac.

as far as dave fisher and his buddy trance that ran a local chat site - he owns many bars around ac and now the beach town of subic ( voododd, tresure island, koko mos, and many others, and is known to pay off officails to corupt the locals and set his own scams into place. he admited to other bar owners he was trying to do this and it is on many sites reprted by many. lots credit those two for ruining the scene in ac, and once things started to get aorund about them they both claimed to be getting rid of their ownership in ac as if they knew word was out.

they were known to share information about posters ip adresses and such , and try and ban any information that ws not either propoganda from other bar owners or flattering to their scams they were pulling in ac. they actually banned people from that site for standing up for a marine that was falsely acused of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) in subic. then it later came out that this was the place that dave fisher was now in the process of paying off the mayor and other officials.

seems he wanted to protect the reputation of his bed buddies , but then you dont know about all this so i wont waste your time. i will however warn others of this scum of the earth and if going to the local chat site there to be cautious as they are information collectors and try and single out posters to see who they are and set them up into their own little scams.

hope this information will be of help to keep what has happened to me and many others in ac from happening again. i also hope if i can keep just one person from falling victim to the scams that can land them in jail or worse there that this will not be diluted in any way

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Wrong Info
03-10-09, 14:03
I have to say after reading your response I was intrigued , as either the guy has good info or he does not. It did more seem to me to be creative writing with the intent to discredit his posts for whatever reason after reading his posts. I did take the time to read back more than several pages during my lunch, and found that indeed his posts are factual and I have been going to AC for over 20 years. I remember when it used to be fun

What it appears is that his posts are often taken out of context and turned into a negative, when in fact they are very informative as you had even said was the case, why then would they not be of value to other men. I will not speculate that it is bar owners trying to louse up another good board, but will say that selling losing bars has long been the means of income for the owners there and this has been going on long before the internet ever existed. I certainly think they may take more than a look at these sites from time to time IMHO.

Either way as for AC, would I go again? Well if it were on the way or on a layover I may take the time to go there, but honestly it is really discouraging to have to weed through the stories and drink hustles to try and find one girl to have sex in a bar. It used to be much different, but now I would much rather stay in Manila and just do a LA CAF… or EDSA run.

The world is much to small to only go to one place and I do agree that anyone saying that AC is the best place you can go just has not traveled to other places.Thanks Mr Johnson, I am glad that some others with experience can post to show that although it can be fun there is also a downside into wich others can fall that can be very chaotic.

I was singled out once on a local chat site and then a Bar Owner was given my personal information about me by the person who owned the site and one of his close friends. This was not disclosed to me and I had no ideal they were cohorts as they only allowed propoganda posts on that site, and banned any that posted real experiences. They then targeted me for scams.

You need to be carefull with these type as many are scum of the earth and it is a breath of fresh air to be able to read what can realy be expected without having to be overly cautious of just reading posts from bar owners.

Wrong Info
03-12-09, 01:49
Surfer

Your post iitsefl is what I am talking about exactly.

You state many things that just are not true, I neve referenced any murder of one person or anything like that outside the lews grand. I stated that was a dangerous area, and for your information it is not hyperboulous to say at least one person a week is robbed along that stretch.

Your post does appear a creative way of sliiping your own opinions in without stating the real fact that bar owners are posting propoganda.

I am sorry if you have not found any place better than AC, and I welcome you to go there and tip up one, I however will continue to let people know of the pittfalls that await them there and the bar owner posts on this and other boards that spout nothing but bull.

Rubberyman
03-12-09, 11:34
Wrong Info.

Which bars and which owners are posting propaganda? You say that bar owners are posting bull on this board - can you back that up?

Perhaps you could give some examples of posts by people you think are bar owners posting propaganda?

I can agree that there are other boards where bar owners do this, but how about you give us some examples of postings on this board that are obvious propaganda. Personally, I don't think you can back up what you say. Of course if you can, then that is another matter.

Mind you, I have no problem with you saying it - merely that unless you can back up what you say, it looks like you are just a bit miffed at bar owners' forums that have stopped you posting stuff which is exaggerated way out of proportion, and you are getting all 'scratch their eyes out' over it.

I guess the point is, that we know what you are alleging about AC and its bars and their owners, but without some proof or backup and very soon, who is going to take any notice?


*shrug*

Hesekiels
03-12-09, 19:34
... I am sorry if you have not found any place better than AC ...


Wrong Info:

I must admit that I have not found any place better than AC either! For my hobby it is certainly still the very best city to be! However, if you really know better places in terms of price and selections of girls, I would be most delighted to learn from you! I could well imagine that many guys here are also eager to read your recommendations! :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Fast Eddie 48
03-12-09, 22:11
Wrong Info:

I must admit that I have not found any place better than AC either! For my hobby it is certainly still the very best city to be! However, if you really know better places in terms of price and selections of girls, I would be most delighted to learn from you! I could well imagine that many guys here are also eager to read your recommendations! :)

Cheers!


HesekielsHesekiels,

I know a few place than is better than AC on mongering.

Ive been to AC 5 times just not much to do during the day.

The city below that you can get FS for 20 usd or less if you know where to go and qualtiy is better than AC.





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Wrong Info
03-16-09, 14:49
common sense is obviously in short supply, and it takes no more than reading a few pages in this thread to see there is not much of it in angeles city philippines.

there are a few posters saying they cant find a better place, that other places dont speak english as well, that there arent enough girls in other places: in reality though these are all the problems that angeles city has more than any other place you can go.

to prove that the posts are nothing more than flattering propoganda you only have to look back to posts where it is proven that nude bars are illegal and there are not strip clubs in angeles city so that in itself ruins the great place claim, and yet at the same time these posters will have you believe that these bars that cant even show any nudity what so ever on stage openly sell virgins.

you would have to be utterly stupid and a complete moran to believe this.

i find it laughable that while there is a resound answer that nudity is indeed outlawed, and that the strip club experience some may go seeking is limited to a few instances where a bar girl may get drunk and show some brief breast to a customer, that others will still post and believe that these same bars actually have what is called ďcherry girls.Ē there will even be several posters try and support this promotional writing.

cherry girl is a angeles city term that is used by the bar to try and sucker you into buying drinks and then tell you the girl is not available to be bar fined for sex and have you buy another round or rounds for others now believing that girl is a virgin. then of course if you are sucker enough for that you will find that the other you have just bought a drink for is also miraculously a virgin as well.

you have got to be joking right? the law there outlaws nudity but will allow bars to openly sell virgins? if you believe this then you have certainly got to rush out and buy some land somewhere in a swamp , as your money would be better protected and you obviously will lose it soon.

the reports on here have some guys even saying they went into bars, and for example one said of the four girls on duty in one of the places, that all four were indeed claiming to be virgins. the reality is in angeles city they are all cherry girls unless you ask before buying drinks. the scam is spread across all bars in all areas now, and very little sex for sell is taking place in that city.

angeles city has its best days long behind it, and on my most recent trip about a year ago now, i found it to be a boring and dead place to vacation. most bars had the retired guy that was married to a local and thought he was somehow now the town hero buying drinks, but other than that it was like trying to fend off scams and con artists at every turn. it certainly had no repeat visitors, as anyone that had been surely would not repeat that nightmare again.

the only way it could ever regain any popularity is to completely change its name so people would not know it was the place they had been or heard about, and to oust the current bar owners and their scheming ways. this obviously will not happen and therefore i would conclude that angeles city is probably about the most overrated destination you could possibly think of.

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.mr johnson - you have said it all.

we are supposed to believe the [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) and it is pretty thick. there is no nudity allowed yet we are supposed to believe that they openly sell virgins.

1. the girls as old as 50 have virgin cards and they save them and get others. some have as many as 5 different cards and only costs a few pesos to the doctor -

2. you may have had sex with a girl bleeding but she was only menstrating.

3. bar owners are getting mroe and more creativ in their posting of poo poo to get readers to believe this bologna.

4. no nudity allowed and that is all that needs to be said about ac.

Ekspat
03-17-09, 03:33
Started everyday at 2 and made the most of my trip.

Yeah, it's quite amazing that someone still can arrange it to have a good time in AC.
With all this frustrated so called "info" or wrong info or whatsoever here. :D

Cheers!

Wrong Info
03-18-09, 02:09
Great review ,

I have a question in regards to this type of situation . Who can someone avoid getting ripped off ? I always pay after , i dont know if its accepted in the PhilipinesJohn Jr,

I do not think you would find AC a enjoyable place if this is what you are used to. It is more of a tourist trap that tries to sell everything but sex, and that is a last resort only and generaly the girls are quite ugly these days, as they want to keep the lookers in the bar selling drinks..

There are many posts of people that think we are stupid and will post things like a great weekend, when in the states it is still a sunday, etc. They are obviously there in the philippines and it is my opinion are bar owners posting as a expat or tourist with false experiences. So be cautious as pictures and articles are not always what they appear and can be misleading when it comes to Angeles City anyway...

They have no regard for anyone and it is only getting worse.

Wrong Info
03-18-09, 03:08
I wouldn't take it personal. Forget what they think. Because there might be just that special one next time you poke your head in.

Everyone does the same thing. Especially to the small bars on fields. Walk in. Look around. Scan the stage. If the babes are fugly, doing that side to side zombie dance, I turn around and leave. Who wants to waste their time unless the babes are giving you some extra attention wink wink.I like this ideal and have to say it is only wise. However plan on doing lots of walking as the bars just absolutely suck now. Seems there are many posting the same things I am saying that others have said are not the case.

Secondly ask before you buy a drink if they are a " Cherru Girl " as even if they seem interested, mostly they are only selling drinks and not sex in AC these days.

ThatGuy865
03-18-09, 12:25
I see "wrong info" is spouting just that wrong info about AC.

AC is as fun as it has ever been, There is pussy for sale all day every day ... There are plenty of women of every kind for every taste.

Cherry girls are no problem and you will rarely have one approach you ... they are usually dancers and not waitresses so unless you call her down from the stage, she won't approach you.

Often the other bar girls are quick to point out the cherry girls, just so the guy wont waste his time giving the cherry girl any attention.

Here is a article about the mayor getting heat to stop the extortion by groups on the bars and girls ... so at least its being noticed.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/mayor-sue-village-chief-over-extortion%E2%80%99-issue

Matius
03-18-09, 23:49
Ekspat: I defer to your experience that the really pretty girls make more money from Lady drinks than BF. My comment arises more from the bar managers and mamasauns implying they want the Cherry Girls to get over their thing so they can earn some money. And that is the great thing about this forum, one can get different perspectives in dealing with their trip and planning their events, how to deal with the bars and girls. I also may be just attracted to ugly girls, I need to think about that. Ha ha

I am not a huge poster to the forum, although I am on my third year of renewal, so an active lurker. My experience with this forum is that while different members may have different experiences, I see a great deal of accuracy in the substance of their reports, when I visit those locations. Until recently, found that to be the case with this thread, also the Pattaya and Chinese threads.

If one clicks on the members name, one can also click to see all the reports filed by the member. Again, I've not done a significant number of posts, so if I am a bar owner, I am doing a pretty poor job of getting my propaganda out. On the other hand, if one clicks on a members name, one in particular, you will see that a certain individual has risen from no-where in the last few months. That person has become a senior member, primarily bagging AC, during those few months.

A great deal of time has been spent by people who I believe know better what is going on in AC and are attempting to counter act the WRONG information that is being spread. A kernal of truth does not make the entire report correct, and while many members are trying to be fair in giving a fair hearing to the kernal of truth, in a material sense the report is just plain WRONG.

One member took the time to detail a do's and don't's list which I thought quite informative and well written. These are valuable postings and we can all learn something from them. Some post their bad experience in a bar, as an example on my last few trips, I also found insominia to be less enjoyable. They do in the last year have many more girls than in the past.

Members can chose to believe any report they like, but setting aside any kernal of truth that may exist, in a material sense there is one member in particular that is posting WRONG information. In that, it degrades the value of this thread and more senior members (and I won't include myself in that category) are spending a lot of time trying to straighten out this WRONG information. Being designated Senior suggests a lot of experience, but on closer investigation, Senior in the case of the WRONG information is only a lot of posting, in a very short period of time, on one subject only--how bad AC is. I hope this helps people who are planning a trip, as I've found my time in AC to be very enjoyable.

Matius

Victorian
03-19-09, 00:48
Something is very wrong with wrong info. I got tired of reading his misinformation and how he treats the girls, so for the first time I used the ignore function and put him on the ignore list.

Responding to him just gives him a twisted kick and keeps him posting.



I see "wrong info" is spouting just that wrong info about AC.

AC is as fun as it has ever been, There is pussy for sale all day every day ... There are plenty of women of every kind for every taste.

Cherry girls are no problem and you will rarely have one approach you ... they are usually dancers and not waitresses so unless you call her down from the stage, she won't approach you.

Often the other bar girls are quick to point out the cherry girls, just so the guy wont waste his time giving the cherry girl any attention.

Here is a article about the mayor getting heat to stop the extortion by groups on the bars and girls ... so at least its being noticed.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/mayor-sue-village-chief-over-extortion%E2%80%99-issue

Ekspat
03-19-09, 10:11
mostly they are only selling drinks and not sex in AC these days.
Seems you had bad times in AC recently.

In case they just wanted you to pay drinks and no sex offered,
have you ever considered your own attitude or appearance
maybe part of the problem?

Expat (had a great time in AC) :D

ThatGuy865
03-19-09, 14:33
I have to agree with Victorian Wrong Info. Lives up to his name. A bunch of "Wrong Info" and nonsense.

Women can make OK money from LDs but first of all. Not very many can consistly get guys to just buy LDs over and over and over. Do you think guys just sit there waiting for one guy to move, so he can hurry up and buy the same girl more drinks. Not likely.

The women one guy thinks is beautiful is not going to be beautiful to the next. So the odds of any one girl recieving all the attention in a bar of 50 plus girls is rather slim. It may occur once in a blue moon. But no girl can count on that as income. I think they get like 50 to 75 pesos a drink. Thats a lot of hustling to equal BFs.

Besides the girls want to get out of the bar, sleep in air con rooms. Enjoy a nice meal, possibly more. And maybe this will happen for a couple of days and maybe even become sponsored. That is the Ultimate goal for EVERY girl in AC. The only way for that to happen is Bar fine. So they all want to BF. Thats the dream that got them to AC and thats the Dream that keeps them coming.

Wrong Info
03-19-09, 18:50
Seems you had bad times in AC recently.

In case they just wanted you to pay drinks and no sex offered, have you ever considered your own attitude or appearance maybe part of the problem?

Expat (had a great time in AC): DLOL-

Don't know why you fellas keep posting about my posts saying " I mut have had a bad time". Attitude etc.

This board is about the real experience and for whatever reason you seem to want to aoid the facts that in AC there is

1. No strip bars (so that part of the experience is a outright no go)

2. There are a multitude of "cherry girl" drink hustlers in every bar and most are only selling drinks.

3. They now charge more on average than most any other monger destination in the world for less of a experience.

I mean hey if you enjoy jumping to maybe 12 different places before you find a average looking girl that may be half ass enthused then AC is your place. I will post this truth untill it changes and other than that I suggest that it is a pass for anyone that is looking for a fun destination.

No Nudity as it is illegal. And no strip clubs does it all for me. I am not stupidenough to believe that these bars that can't even show nudity legally have so called Virgins at a rate of about 3 to 1 of the girls in the bars. That is just a girl on her period and if you do buy one to sleep with it is a good way to get aids.

Good Luck

Wrong Info
03-19-09, 18:55
Common Sense is obviously in short supply, and it takes no more than reading a few pages in this thread to see there is not much of it in Angeles City Philippines.

There are a few posters saying they cant find a better place, that other places dont speak English as well, that there arent enough girls in other places: in reality though these are all the problems that Angeles City has more than any other place you can go.

To prove that the posts are nothing more than flattering propoganda you only have to look back to posts where it is proven that Nude Bars are illegal and there are not strip clubs in Angeles City so that in itself ruins the great place claim, and yet at the same time these posters will have you believe that these bars that cant even show any nudity what so ever on stage openly sell virgins.

You would have to be utterly stupid and a complete moran to believe this.

I find it laughable that while there is a resound answer that nudity is indeed outlawed, and that the strip club experience some may go seeking is limited to a few instances where a bar girl may get drunk and show some brief breast to a customer, that others will still post and believe that these same bars actually have what is called ďCherry Girls.Ē There will even be several posters try and support this promotional writing.

Cherry Girl is a Angeles City term that is used by the Bar to try and sucker you into buying drinks and then tell you the girl is not available to be bar fined for sex and have you buy another round or rounds for others now believing that girl is a Virgin. Then of course if you are sucker enough for that you will find that the other you have just bought a drink for is also miraculously a virgin as well.

You have got to be joking right? The law there outlaws nudity but will allow bars to openly sell Virgins? If you believe this then you have certainly got to rush out and buy some land somewhere in a swamp , as your money would be better protected and you obviously will lose it soon.

The reports on here have some guys even saying they went into bars, and for example one said of the four girls on duty in one of the places, that all four were indeed claiming to be virgins. The reality is in Angeles City they are all Cherry Girls unless you ask before buying drinks. The scam is spread across all bars in all areas now, and very little sex for sell is taking place in that city.

Angeles City has its best days long behind it, and on my most recent trip about a year ago now, I found it to be a boring and dead place to vacation. Most bars had the retired guy that was married to a local and thought he was somehow now the town hero buying drinks, but other than that it was like trying to fend off scams and con artists at every turn. It certainly had no repeat visitors, as anyone that had been surely would not repeat that nightmare again.

The only way it could ever regain any popularity is to completely change its name so people would not know it was the place they had been or heard about, and to oust the current bar owners and their scheming ways. This obviously will not happen and therefore I would conclude that Angeles City is probably about the most overrated destination you could possibly think of.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.The funny thing is some of the bar owner posters come on and post multiple posts to burry the negativew ones and cover up.

They seem to like to pick mine out to try and spin against, but here is one that says thye same thing and they never reply to the others.

Have to read through the pages and go back for months and you will see many reports by other members that are not bar owners posting propoganda that say the same thing mine does in that AC Sucks and it a waste of time.

Wrong Info
03-19-09, 18:56
Ekspat. You're wrong

6 billion pesos is more like $131 million USD.

And yes they do have a big shabu problem in the PI. Alot of the girls in AC use Shabu. Its been a problem since the late 90's and only getting worst.

Anyone would know anywhere there are a lot of young people with low self esteem, working in a decadent profession by society standards, with money to spare is a breeding ground for drug use.And here is one about drug use there- wich many woudl say is not there, yet it is more rampant than most places.

Wrong Info
03-19-09, 18:59
Never said it can't be found (hence the SOB club reference). It's usually cloak and dagger and under the table because it is illegal. When too many bars allow it, this is when the police raids start increasing.Here is one confirming the no nudity and no strip clubs I said was the case, and even the special SOB party refered to is now a non nude show and very tame.

Ekspat
03-20-09, 11:07
That is just a girl on her period and if you do buy one to sleep with it is a good way to get aids.
?????

It's okay, WI. Have a great weekend! :)
Cheers!

Rubberyman
03-20-09, 11:49
LOL-

1. No strip bars (so that part of the experience is a outright no go)




OTOH in many bars the ladies will give a good grope and a flash...so it is sort of half true. However, it is true that you do not get Thailand style strip and golf ball hiding shows.



LOL-

2. There are a multitude of "cherry girl" drink hustlers in every bar and most are only selling drinks.




And there are also just as many non cherry girls in those same bars who you can barfine. Oh, and after one has had a nice bbbj in blow row, to sit down in another bar cuddling up to a sweet young thing, looking at the eye candy, listening to some music and paying less for her drink and yours than you would at home is somehow missing from your info wrong info.





3. They now charge more on average than most any other monger destination in the world for less of a experience.

I


Rot. Just check on these boards and you will find prices quoted for mongering destinations round the world. In AC you can get a nice cute lady with a gfe for 1350 Pisos...that's a bit under $30 USD ALL NIGHT.



LOL-

I mean hey if you enjoy jumping to maybe 12 different places before you find a average looking girl that may be half ass enthused then AC is your place.




Well, if you enjoy hopping between 12 different bars, checking out maybe three or four hundred young ladies, spending less than the cost of a beer back home in each one for a local beer and a lady drink, then AC is your place. If you cannot find someone attractive in those numbers, there is something seriously wrong, but not with the ladies.



LOL-

I will post this truth untill it changes and other than that I suggest that it is a pass for anyone that is looking for a fun destination.

No Nudity as it is illegal. And no strip clubs does it all for me.


Such self sacrifice WI! You mean to say that you will keep going back to AC to make sure that you are posting accurate facts? How noble!

Your comment about no nudity says it all for me too. Nobody has ever promoted AC as a destination for strip shows, and you can stamp your little feet and throw as many tantrums as you like, it will not do so in the future. That is not what AC is about. AC is about getting yourself a good laid back time in the bars with plenty of music and eye candy, bbbjs in blow row and a couple of other places in perimeter, and a GFE overnight. If you want anything else, you won't get it here....and if you check on all the positive posts - that outnumber the negative by many times - that is exactly what they say.



LOL-

Don't know why you fellas keep posting about my posts saying " I mut have had a bad time". Attitude etc.




Well, the reason we keep posting this is that most other people have a great time, and we can't understand how someone who is breathing can fail to have a good time....unless that person has a bad attitude towards the ladies.

What you describe about so many cherry girls and girls refusing you because they are on their mens is just them being polite and letting you save face rather than telling you they don't want to do it with you...which after all, is not that polite is it?

Now since that is a relatively rare (but not unknown) situation for the rest of us, we really are puzzled by why you are getting so many ladies give you the flick off, but the rest of us end up spending the night with the cuties of our choice. I mean on my last trip to AC, I saw a guy who must have been at least seventy years old in a ZIMMER FRAME leave a bar with a cutie who looked about twenty years old!

Like I said before, you really need to visit the place with a wingman who can observe what it is you are doing wrong to get all these ladies hang the excuses for refusing to go with you. You might find there is a simple reason why you are finding things as bad as you do, while others have a ball. Seek help before it is too late!

Wheels down in AC late Sunday. *smirk*

(Your turn to hate me now Ekspat).

Wrong Info
03-20-09, 15:41
Although you can just go to a bar and barfine a girl for 1300 pesos and take her to your room and have wild sex all night, this rarely happens.
Reasons
________

1. Every time you go to a bar you need to order atleast one drink. It is not
mandatory but the news spreads around pretty quickly that you are a
cheap wad.
2. The waitress will definitely have an attitude because no drink = no tip.
3. If you call a girl from the line up how do you break the ice without nursing
a drink?
4. If you do not order a ladies drink for her immediately the cash machine in
head will go off thinking there will be no tip.
5. All these girls are there not only to make money from barfine but also
from lady drinks. Besides I believe they have a quota to fill. Her job
depends on it unless she is georgeous.
Typical night romp will cost,
Min 4 drinks for you = 400 pesos
If you go for happy hour = 200 pesos.
Lady drinks- min 4 = 600 pesos.
Bar hopping drinks = 800 pesos
If you take her to a disco = 600 pesos
Buy food at night = 500 pesos
Buy breakfast = 400 pesos
Tip for the girl = 500 pesos

So a typica GFE night will cost with barfine = 4000-6000 pesos

Total for a day and night activities for you
including food, accomodation and fun = $150-$200 US minimum.You have it right that sex is last on the list tbe sold in AC - however all the reasons you have posted IMHO are all the reasons that would make it harder to get laid. As for a cheap wad, that shoule be your last cncern. If you are a drink buyer they will just try and sell you drinks. If you start by buying drinks for waitresses, then you definately will not get offered to buy sex as they will look at you as a sucker with money.

This is a good effort, but realy kind of opposite of what it is. If a bar that is supposed to be selling sex is concerned with how many drinks you buy then you need to hit the road fast and find one selling pussy.

This is why AC has become a bust for the sex monger and will continue that way with only positive reports coming from bar owners with creative ways of writing posts to try and get you to buy drinks.

Wrong Info
03-20-09, 15:47
Although you can just go to a bar and barfine a girl for 1300 pesos and take her to your room and have wild sex all night, this rarely happens.
Reasons
________

1. Every time you go to a bar you need to order atleast one drink. It is not
mandatory but the news spreads around pretty quickly that you are a
cheap wad.
2. The waitress will definitely have an attitude because no drink = no tip.
3. If you call a girl from the line up how do you break the ice without nursing
a drink?
4. If you do not order a ladies drink for her immediately the cash machine in
head will go off thinking there will be no tip.
5. All these girls are there not only to make money from barfine but also
from lady drinks. Besides I believe they have a quota to fill. Her job
depends on it unless she is georgeous.
Typical night romp will cost,
Min 4 drinks for you = 400 pesos
If you go for happy hour = 200 pesos.
Lady drinks- min 4 = 600 pesos.
Bar hopping drinks = 800 pesos
If you take her to a disco = 600 pesos
Buy food at night = 500 pesos
Buy breakfast = 400 pesos
Tip for the girl = 500 pesos

So a typica GFE night will cost with barfine = 4000-6000 pesos

Total for a day and night activities for you
including food, accomodation and fun = $150-$200 US minimum.You have it right that sex is last on the list tbe sold in AC. However all the reasons you have posted IMHO are all the reasons that would make it harder to get laid. To go into bars there that are noeven strip clubs as there are none, and hope that by spenidng $4 or $7 for a glass of juice for a girl in hopes she might show you a brief flash of titty is a real waste of time. In that case you could get better service right at home in a strip club in wich you can see the girl ahead of time and spend less for a real drink, and talk to her about hooking up outside.

As for a cheap wad, that should be your last concern. I don't know how many clubs you have been in anywhere in the world, but it is always the sucker who spends that gets the least when it comes to sex. There is no zex in the VIP room in other words. And if you spend your wad concerned for the bars takem then you will get exactly that, taken by the bar. If you are a drink buyer they will just try and sell you drinks. If you start by buying drinks for waitresses, then you definately will not get offered to buy sex as they will look at you as a true sucker that is buying drinks for girls that are not even supposed to be availabkle on the clock for customers as they are supposed to be there to serve drinks.-- uhh sorry no.

This is a good effort, but realy kind of opposite of what it is. If a bar that is supposed to be selling sex is concerned with how many drinks you buy then you need to hit the road fast and find one selling pussy.

This is why AC has become a bust for the sex monger and will continue that way with only positive reports coming from bar owners with creative ways of writing posts to try and get you to buy drinks.

Wrong Info
03-20-09, 15:48
You have it right that sex is last on the list tbe sold in AC. However all the reasons you have posted IMHO are all the reasons that would make it harder to get laid. To go into bars there that are noeven strip clubs as there are none, and hope that by spenidng $4 or $7 for a glass of juice for a girl in hopes she might show you a brief flash of titty is a real waste of time. In that case you could get better service right at home in a strip club in wich you can see the girl ahead of time and spend less for a real drink, and talk to her about hooking up outside.

As for a cheap wad, that should be your last concern. I don't know how many clubs you have been in anywhere in the world, but it is always the sucker who spends that gets the least when it comes to sex. There is no zex in the VIP room in other words. And if you spend your wad concerned for the bars takem then you will get exactly that, taken by the bar. If you are a drink buyer they will just try and sell you drinks. If you start by buying drinks for waitresses, then you definately will not get offered to buy sex as they will look at you as a true sucker that is buying drinks for girls that are not even supposed to be availabkle on the clock for customers as they are supposed to be there to serve drinks.-- uhh sorry no.

This is a good effort, but realy kind of opposite of what it is. If a bar that is supposed to be selling sex is concerned with how many drinks you buy then you need to hit the road fast and find one selling pussy.

This is why AC has become a bust for the sex monger and will continue that way with only positive reports coming from bar owners with creative ways of writing posts to try and get you to buy drinks.

Genghois
03-21-09, 00:05
It's time that we all stop paying attention to WrongInfo's posts. Don't reply to them and hopefully he'll go away.

Our other option is to ask Jackson to ban him, but I think that his posts represent a particular experience in AC, by a particular type of individual, so they're valid, here. But the volume of his posts says that we need to talk to Jackson.

But let's not encourage him. Absolutely no replies to anything he writes would be our best option.

Wrong Info
03-21-09, 00:45
It's time that we all stop paying attention to WrongInfo's posts. Don't reply to them and hopefully he'll go away.

Our other option is to ask Jackson to ban him, but I think that his posts represent a particular experience in AC, by a particular type of individual, so they're valid, here.

But let's not encourage him. Absolutely no replies to anything he writes would be our best option.Lol. If anyone would be banned it would be you for spinning my posts into something they are not and a personal atack. My posts are just factual and telling people the way it is. You fellers try and spin it into something it is not saying things like " ok go ahead and keep going to tell us how bad it is etc", the point is I don't go becuase it is so bad, and it has been posted by many others.

You try and discredit mine as I post often and my name lets people know that the bar owner crowd likes to post mis info on sites to give false pictures and reports of experiences. You don't often see this type of thing with other places as much as AC and it has been this way for years as the bars are run by people that just want to scam for drinks.

Good luck though and glad to see your ignoring me, but you can't ignore the many others that have posted the same experiences recently and it is getting worse in AC.

Wrong Info
03-21-09, 00:49
Lots of the same things I offten report and tell people about safety issues etc are also reported on this site by Dragon Slayer in his thread

Are you also saying the people who moderate that thread are lieing about their experiences, they have quite a bit of experience?

Gheorigos you must be ignoriong half the board if that is the case as many have reported that there are no actual strip clubs in AC, and that they are mostly scamming fro drinks, and that the cherry girl hustle thing is nothing but a scam--- are you calling all of these posters liers as well, or have you just singled out mine for some odd reason as you are afraid you would have the place all to yourself?

Amavida
03-21-09, 01:40
...This is a good effort, but realy kind of opposite of what it is. If a bar that is supposed to be selling sex is concerned with how many drinks you buy then you need to hit the road fast and find one selling pussy.

This is why AC has become a bust for the sex monger and will continue that way with only positive reports coming from bar owners with creative ways of writing posts to try and get you to buy drinks.We are all entitled to our opinions. After all, everyone has a slightly different experience to everyone else. Continually restating your opinion does not make it more valid than others opinions.

Mate, you are giving people the shits flogging this dead horse.

I am one of the thousands of guys every year who enjoys the cheapest & most plentiful commercial sex of all the RP in AC.

As for the bars, wake up & smell the semen dummy! Prostitution is illegal in RP, it must be thinly veiled by 'girly bar' to be able to operate. The bars are part of the VICE industry, of course they want to try to sell you overpriced watered down drinks, its all part of the game.

Newbies may feel 'drinks pressure' when they first start visiting these bars but usually quickly get comfortable with asserting themselves.

If you dont like going into girly bars go hang out at a mall & smile at cute passersby, i guarantee you will have a 'gf' in no time.

Shit man, if you cant get laid in RP, you doin somethin wrong...
Please stop harping about this now ok?

Im not a bar owner, pm me off list if you genuinely dont believe me.
AV

X Man
03-21-09, 11:51
Wrong Info, you've made your point. It's good that you want to warn newbies of the potential dangers and other neg. aspects of AC, but could you please reduce the amount of redundant postings.

For example -- I agree with you that there are no "traditional" strip clubs in AC. I also agree with all the other posters who said nudity does occur. I'm not sure why this arguement continues.

I'm not trying to censor you, I'm just saying that you seem to repeating the same things.

X




Lots of the same things I offten report and tell people about safety issues etc are also reported on this site by Dragon Slayer in his thread

Are you also saying the people who moderate that thread are lieing about their experiences, they have quite a bit of experience?

Gheorigos you must be ignoriong half the board if that is the case as many have reported that there are no actual strip clubs in AC, and that they are mostly scamming fro drinks, and that the cherry girl hustle thing is nothing but a scam--- are you calling all of these posters liers as well, or have you just singled out mine for some odd reason as you are afraid you would have the place all to yourself?

Mr Big Johnson
03-21-09, 15:55
Lots of the same things I offten report and tell people about safety issues etc are also reported on this site by Dragon Slayer in his thread

Are you also saying the people who moderate that thread are lieing about their experiences, they have quite a bit of experience?

Gheorigos you must be ignoriong half the board if that is the case as many have reported that there are no actual strip clubs in AC, and that they are mostly scamming fro drinks, and that the cherry girl hustle thing is nothing but a scam--- are you calling all of these posters liers as well, or have you just singled out mine for some odd reason as you are afraid you would have the place all to yourself?Wi

I for one agree and find it admirable that someone will take the time to report the truth about this place that has for several years now only sought to elude to a true gentlemans vacation, and has failed in every aspect.

As far as anyone restating the facts fellas- appears to me reading back several pages that it is yourself restating the facts in defense of the hunk of junk called AC.

Laylow3
03-21-09, 16:53
[Quote]Of course there are those guys who have no respect for the ladies and just wish to be able to go into a bar, point and fuck and leave. AC is not for these people because the ladies can 'see how you are' and don't care for you or your money

. Going into a bar with the attitude that 'they are all hookers or scammers' will get you nowhere in AC.

As for a cheap wad, that should be your last concern. [\Quote]Normally, I not a huge fan of Wrong info's negativity towards AC but he is 100% correct here. If you are concerned about being a "cheap charlie" then I don't know what to tell you. Being cheap should be your numero uno priority. Go into a bar and check out the scene. Never just buy a drink right off the bat just because. That is total bullshit. Get a feel for the place, talk it up with a lady briefly, and then if you like the atmosphere chill out there and get some drinks. Otherwise, don't feel bad at all about packing up and heading to another bar. Remember YOU are in control always. There are no unwritten rules. You make the rules. Wrong Info is totally right here, maybe the ones encouraging everyone to purchase drinks are actually bar owners or whatever. Also if they (the girls) are in a bar working for sex then yes most of them ARE hookers/scammers. It is just that simple also. Go into a bar, point, and go fuck! That's what AC is all about. All the bars right there close to each other so you don't have to go far at that. Be cheap as possible, that's why I go to AC. Because it's so cheap! I mean really "words spreads fast that you're a cheap charlie. " Gimme a fucking break! Ok, so what? ! What does that mean? That's right, absolutely nothing! I should get a T-shirt made that has cheap charlie written on it in big letters. I'll wear that shirt with a girl on each arm. Hehe

I like Wrong Info being here. I LOVE Angeles city but his negativity puts things into perspective. I wish there was someone like him on every country board. Sometimes I speculate he is promoting specific places over others but despite that if there was nothing but good things written here I definitely wouldn't frequent here as much because I know that's not how it is. AC is simple, but people like to make it difficult. Go there to fuck and have a good time for as cheaply as possible then return home to your normal lives. None of this impressing bar girls with your money nonsense. Everything is negotiable in PI, remember that. Even the BF, drink prices posted here are only "guides" so to say. I always go lower. (or at least make an attempt EVERY time).

Hesekiels
03-21-09, 19:43
Lol. If anyone would be banned it would be you for spinning my posts into something they are not and a personal atack. My posts are just factual and telling people the way it is.


Wrong Info:


How boring was it here before you showed up! For so many years dozens of jerks were posting only bullshit about AC, but thank G*d finally you have enlightened us!

Or can it be that the other guys are right, but you are barking up the wrong tree? Just wondering. :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

ThatGuy865
03-21-09, 21:44
Mr BJ and Wrong I. Must be the same guy. They write the same. Have the same complaint. Ladies Drinks and nakedness.

I wonder why they have taken on the crusade to try and convince people to stay away from AC. Which is ridiculous at best.

Most people who go to AC don't read the board. AC never advertised its existence and it still gets millions of visitors. Because the word of mouth is "Its Heaven sent for Men"

So their rants are only to those who have basically made up their minds one way or another. Or to long time mongers like myself who know better than to listen to that crap.

Big J you say the girls do nothing to turn you on. Then you obviously have not been to AC.

In skimpy outfits these babes play with your balls, stroke your shaft, give you neck massages, while you sip on your beer, and all this just for the price of a LD = $3. Where in your city can you have that service

Now if that aint enough to turn you on. And the only thing that can do it for you is nakeness. Then Big J. You are right and you need to keep your ass out of AC. But for most. It does the trick. I know it does for me.

And to tell you the thruth I hope you do convince a few people not to visit. That only keeps the prices down and plenty of women available for those of us who will still go.

So as far as I'm concerned keep ranting on. You're just like that guys in every city downtown. Who rants all that bible stuff. Entertaining? Questionable. Everyone just looks and whispers how nutts he must be and goes their merry way.

Wrong Info
03-23-09, 06:16
coincidence?

Certain guy(s) whose views are always challenged by many in the forum. Suddenly, someone shows up to defend him. The rescuers are always new to the forum. Makes you think!! Seen it sooo many times before and getting oldThat knife cuts both ways.

LOL - some of the garbage about how we should act etc almost makes me gag, as they are lucky to get jobs for $3 Bucks a day so you see if you think they are able to be choosy then you are as naive as the people who believe the overly positive reports are not bar owners.

It is the Bar Owners who have provded the vehicle for them to scam the suckers who belive the drink scams and cherry girl hustles. Funny that Manila is also the Philippines and you dont get the Cherry girl Drink hustle there and it is only a hour away or so depending on trafic. Just further proof of the waste of time AC has become with nothing but drin pressure and no nudity or strip clubs allowed in that dump hole.

Wrong Info
03-23-09, 06:23
Mr BJ and Wrong I. Must be the same guy. They write the same. Have the same complaint. Ladies Drinks and nakedness.

...

Now if that aint enough to turn you on. And the only thing that can do it for you is nakeness. Then Big J. You are right and you need to keep your ass out of AC.
...

(reply:::
hmm this guy must own ac telling who should keep there ass out of there, seems to contradict himself later sayig it owuld make it better for him...lol... kind of see thorugh isnt it?)

And to tell you the thruth I hope you do convince a few people not to visit. That only keeps the prices down and plenty of women available for those of us who will still go.Nice spin but your contradiction says it all. And thanks for associating me with Mr Johnson as he is among the few on here that post anything close to what it is realy like there. Seems you have begun to claim others are doing the things you fellas obvuiously have tried to pull off with very little success- kind of let your own cat out of the bag. Hahah)

Wrong Info
03-23-09, 06:31
Quote].

As for a cheap wad, that should be your last concern. [\Quote]hahah EXACTLY,

But for some reason the rest of us are supposed to be stupid enough to belive that we should come on here and hollar how they should raise the dirnk prices and give lousy service and then we become credible some how, whole others posting real experiences should be said to be somehow stating something that just can't be true.

I mean we all know that the hookers and dope addicted girls there have our best at heart, and the bar owners would never think of overcharging or coming on these boards to post,

And for some reason even though they are not allowed to have any strip show, as it has been stated is illegal in AC, we are supposed to believe that over half of the girls working in the bars are somehow magicaly "Chery Girl Virgins" that only sell drinks when you want to bar fine them after getting suckered out of buying them a bunch of juice drinks.

But of couse it is becuase we had a bad attitude or whatever spin they want to put on it while keeping the place to themselves on the downlow by debating us and saying how wrong we are.

LOL, ahahahhahah

Elmerfud
03-24-09, 02:34
hahah EXACTLY,

But for some reason the rest of us are supposed to be stupid enough to belive that we should come on here and hollar how they should raise the dirnk prices and give lousy service and then we become credible some how, whole others posting real experiences should be said to be somehow stating someth

But of couse it is becuase we had a bad attitude or whatever spin they want to put on it our post are some kind of annoying while keeping the place to themselves on the downlow by debating us and saying how wrong we are.

LOL, ahahahhahahWrong info, we all know your point of view is it possible to move on you are to the point were your post are not informative any more but annoying.

Ekspat
03-24-09, 04:19
with nothing but drin pressure and no nudity or strip clubs allowed in that dump hole.
Fully supported!!! ;)
Stay all away from AC, better go Pattaya, Singapore or Manila or whereever!

Less customers...---> More choice for me, hehehe....... :D :D

Wrong Info
03-24-09, 12:16
Well its good to see there are no bar owners posting overly positive reports, and ofcourse they would not ever say they don't like free lancers that keep people out of their bars, or spin it into bar owners from another area posting things they do better, and ofcourse the GFE is good when you buy a lot of drinks and accept the girl then telling yuo she is a Cherry Girl and does not have sex with anyone. LOL, and for some reason I hate manila also becuase they don't have them cherry girl drink hustlers?

Yeah right.

Maybe Jackson should shine a light on your IP adress there in AC.

LOL

Blackangst
03-24-09, 17:09
Listen man we all have our opinions, right? And im not going round and round with you anymore. Im actually starting to think you and WI may be the same person, but whatever. You cant negotiate drink or BF prices like you supposedly say you do.

As far Manila goes, you can monger there as cheaply as in AC, IF YOU KNOW WHERE TO GO. Not really your fault if you didnt, but youre wrong in saying you cant BF like in AC. There are several areas of Manila where you can, and with better looking girls. An 8 in AC is a 5 in Manila. So again, youre wrong. Hell, you can go to Subic also.

Anyway happy posting, and I'm done fighting with you.

Wrong Info
03-24-09, 21:22
listen man we all have our opinions, right? and im not going round and round with you anymore. im actually starting to think you and wi may be the same person, but whatever. you cant negotiate drink or bf prices like you supposedly say you do.

as far manila goes, you can monger there as cheaply as in ac, if you know where to go. not really your fault if you didnt, but youre wrong in saying you cant bf like in ac. there are several areas of manila where you can, and with better looking girls. an 8 in ac is a 5 in manila. so again, youre wrong. hell, you can go to subic also.

anyway happy posting, and i'm done fighting with you.well you may think he and i are the same, just as most can recognize the overly positive reports from bar owners - we are however not the same person, just that many are saying the same things i am about there being no nudity and nothing but drink scams in ac - so appears to be many posts along the same lines.

as far as negotiations go, i would have agreed with you a few years ago, however today things are changing. my father lives in ac, and i can tell you that the bars are not going gang busters as reported. most are all but empty acceppt for weekends and then they are still empty in lots of places.

i have myself negotiated bar fines in manila in ermita and knowone had any problem with it. i have not done it in ac but that is why the bars are empty as most of the expats are now just hooking up on the cell phone and trading numbers with the girls. they usually pay no more than 3 to 500 pesos and no way they would ever pay a twat there 1350 as some are reporting.

i do agree that you can get better quality in manile with some doing and for just as cheap if not less these days. the biggest bennefot is that you do not have to worry as much about **** set up and cherry girl scams that go on in manila and subic.

as for subic bay , would not go there if someone was paying for the entire trip. is where they set up a marine for [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), when it was a bar girl and she admitted to having sex with multiple people that same day etc. this was as dave fisher was making his move there and he has taken the same bs there. people are reporting checking in there rooms and having bags searched etc, and even if drinking a bottle of water told that they cant bring it to there room as he wants a piece of everything. do not know if it is true, but one even reported in his bars he now has a person standing in the toilet to charge you to go to the cr (restroom).

so agree on some parts and disagree on some - but a good post and that coming from the guy who many say is the most negative on ac.

Laylow3
03-24-09, 23:51
[Quote]Listen man we all have our opinions, right? And I'm not going round and round with you anymore. I'm actually starting to think you and WI may be the same person, but whatever. You can't negotiate drink or BF prices like you supposedly say you do. [\Quote]You can negotiate but I'm definitely not WI. You see, he hates AC and I love it. I have had nothing but bad experiences in Manila.

[Quote]As far Manila goes, you can monger there as cheaply as in AC, IF YOU KNOW WHERE TO GO. Not really your fault if you didn't, but you're wrong in saying you can't BF like in AC. There are several areas of Manila where you can, and with better looking girls. An 8 in AC is a 5 in Manila. So again, you're wrong. Hell, you can go to Subic also. [\Quote]I don't think I ever said you can't BF in Manila I just said I don't know if it's possible or not. On a serious note, regarding Subic and Manila, if you know some places where you can BF hot girls like AC cheaply then list some please. No freelancer places though.

Laylow3
03-25-09, 00:17
[Quote]most of the expats are now just hooking up on the cell phone and trading numbers with the girls. They usually pay no more than 3 to 500 pesos and no way they would ever pay a twat there 1350 as some are reporting. [\Quote]You have to elaborate on this, WrongInfo. How does this work? Please explain in detail. How are they meeting the girls in the first place? Are they picking up girls at the malls, hooking up with them, and them after fucking them getting the numbers of their friends and then fucking them too and continuously keeping the process going? I would love to do this. That would make my trip MUCH cheaper. I'd stay there two months instead of 3 weeks if I can pull this off. I'm all ears, WI.

Also, are you referring specifically to AC when you state this or are you saying that this can be done anywhere in the PI?

Wrong Info
03-25-09, 02:43
I meant to say that you don't have the Cherry girl scams in Manila like AC and Subic below. Not " like in Manilla"

Of course you can find strip clubs and nudity as well and with all that and consdiering there are places like LA cafe and such that can be had for as little as 300-500 pesos, with girls that are at or above AC quality, Manila is in my opinion much cheaper. I do also recognize that if in Makati and places ther are lots of overpriced as well, but even then a much better experience than AC.

Laylow3
03-25-09, 18:20
Of course you can find strip clubs and nudity as well and with all that and consdiering there are places like LA cafe and such that can be had for as little as 300-500 pesos, with girls that are at or above AC quality, Manila is in my opinion much cheaper.You must be talking about short time only, correct? You can't get long time for the price, right? (or can you? ) I'm not going to go above 300-500 pesos the next time I go to LA Cafe. (I'm guessing 300. regular and 500. pretty good lookiing girl? ) I paid 700 pesos short time both times I went there. I got ripped off I know but at least I know the real prices now. But these are all freelancers that you're referring to correct, Wrong info? I hate freelancers and much prefer BF but if it's that cheap then it's a better deal overall I guess. I seem to never get a good experience when I'm dealing with freelancers. Everything is so rushed. I do like the sleeping alone part though. I usu. Never go to sleep with the girls, I just like cum like 2/3 times and send them away that way none of my stuff comes up missing in the morning.

Blackangst
03-26-09, 00:07
I meant to say that you don't have the Cherry girl scams in Manila like AC and Subic below. Not " like in Manilla"

Of course you can find strip clubs and nudity as well and with all that and consdiering there are places like LA cafe and such that can be had for as little as 300-500 pesos, with girls that are at or above AC quality, Manila is in my opinion much cheaper. I do also recognize that if in Makati and places ther are lots of overpriced as well, but even then a much better experience than AC.

Uh, there are cherry girls in Manila bars.....

Blackangst
03-26-09, 00:09
[Quote]Listen man we all have our opinions, right? And I'm not going round and round with you anymore. I'm actually starting to think you and WI may be the same person, but whatever. You can't negotiate drink or BF prices like you supposedly say you do. [\Quote]You can negotiate but I'm definitely not WI. You see, he hates AC and I love it. I have had nothing but bad experiences in Manila.

[Quote]As far Manila goes, you can monger there as cheaply as in AC, IF YOU KNOW WHERE TO GO. Not really your fault if you didn't, but you're wrong in saying you can't BF like in AC. There are several areas of Manila where you can, and with better looking girls. An 8 in AC is a 5 in Manila. So again, you're wrong. Hell, you can go to Subic also. [\Quote]I don't think I ever said you can't BF in Manila I just said I don't know if it's possible or not. On a serious note, regarding Subic and Manila, if you know some places where you can BF hot girls like AC cheaply then list some please. No freelancer places though.

I'll copy a PM I sent another member, only because its easier. If you want further explaination or questions I suggest you head to the Manila or Makati thread. I'll start with "freebies". In Malate theres Robinsons mall. In Greenbelt theres glorietta. In Makati theres SM. I always get a disposable cell when I land, and pick up girls at the malls. Employees if youre discreet. Your cost will be dinner, maybe a movie. For BF theres Burgos St, specifically Flamingos and Rogues at 1500p. One thing about Burgos is, in SOME bars your drinks count towards your BF. Most bars have happy hour also at half price drinks. Theres 50-60 bars on Burgos. Billboards has about the best lineup of girls, except for Air Force One. Tickles is a crazy ass bar where alot can happen, and has a wild VIP ROOM. rascals has a gorgeous set of twins that BF together if youre nice. So much there. In EDSA BF are a little more expensive, but quality is far better. Service is top notch. Like I said an 8 in AC is a 5 or 6 in Manila. Theres also freelance scene, which is a different subject altogether. When I go I usually get either freebees or FL. It feels like more of a "real date". Subic has good action too, is prettier, and not far from Manila or AC. Theres also casas, but thats another subject altogether.

Blackangst
03-26-09, 00:10
[Quote]most of the expats are now just hooking up on the cell phone and trading numbers with the girls. They usually pay no more than 3 to 500 pesos and no way they would ever pay a twat there 1350 as some are reporting. [\Quote]You have to elaborate on this, WrongInfo. How does this work? Please explain in detail. How are they meeting the girls in the first place? Are they picking up girls at the malls, hooking up with them, and them after fucking them getting the numbers of their friends and then fucking them too and continuously keeping the process going? I would love to do this. That would make my trip MUCH cheaper. I'd stay there two months instead of 3 weeks if I can pull this off. I'm all ears, WI.

Also, are you referring specifically to AC when you state this or are you saying that this can be done anywhere in the PI?

It *can* be done in AC with either sneak outs or picking up girls at Skytrax or the mall, but its MUCH easier in Manila.

Wrong Info
03-26-09, 13:53
The reason aggasaya bar is empty and the poster did not like it is becuase it is korean owned and they do not bar fine girls to any but koreans. Therefore the only customer base they have is korean and the local expats do not waste thir time even going in.

As for American and ghost. LOL. Yeah right. Thats interesting. American hotel is a dump and has been for many years, it is cheap though, however remember just a couple years ago when a armed team went through each room robbing all the patrons. In fairness this can happen in any of the hotels, but to tout the America as a great place, wow I have stayed I'm better for less there, even though the rooms are only like $20 a night still feel I overpaid there.

As for GFE. That has long not been a part of the AC seen. It is now nothing more than a trap and sex is last on the menu. If you think some girl hounding you and complaining endlessly that you have not bought her a drink, not showing any nudity as it is illegal, then refusing to go have sex with you becuase she claims she is a cherry girl, a GFE experience worth paying for then you realy have serious issues.

All you have to d is read back several pages and you will see that AC is probably one of the most overrated places you oculd snd your holiday.

No strip clubs, all illegal now,

Overpriced juice drinks

Ugly girls and bar owners making the best looking ones claim to be cherry virgins to stay in the bar and sell drinks only.

Wrong Info
03-26-09, 14:09
[QUOTE=Laylow3][Quote]In Malate theres Robinsons mall. In Greenbelt theres glorietta. In Makati theres SM. I always get a disposable cell when I land, and pick up girls at the malls. Employees if youre discreet. Your cost will be dinner, maybe a movie. For BF theres Burgos St, specifically Flamingos and Rogues at 1500p. One thing about Burgos is, in SOME bars your drinks count towards your BF. Most bars have happy hour also at half price drinks. Theres 50-60 bars on Burgos. ....

Like I said an 8 in AC is a 5 or 6 in Manila. Theres also freelance scene, which is a different subject altogether. When I go I usually get either freebees or FL. It feels like more of a "real date".My last trip to EDSA I only paid 1000 peso bar fine.

They kept asking for more and I kept saying not sure about a bar fine etc, they asked how much and I said 1000. Girl got dressed and stayed untill early the next morning so a long time.

As for quality the girls in AC are without a doubt the ugliest of any destination, bit kind of put back by your refereance to Subic. Those are the same girls that work in AC. Subic is dead and the bar scene very slow, and the same owners in AC bring girls down to subic to work the bars there and rotate them. Same as AC drink scams etc.

Manila is good but understand poster saying he did not like it. Some just want to go and deal with the bars and not realy have to do any footwork. Not critisizong mind you just the truth. And in Manila you are in the big city where things are going at a faster pace and you must be on your toes.

For the guy willing to speak up and say what he wants, ask how much for drinks, not be a sucker with Bar staff etc, then Manila has a whole world of opportunity. They also have a lot of overpriced BS as well.

Either way the best thing is relax, ask how much, don't rush things, and insist on getting what you pay for and then you will enjoy either place much more. It is not what many tout though and if you don't do these things you will have a medium to bad experience at best.

If you do. You can have a blast!

Don't let the nay sayers keep you from having balls. Be nice. But be forward. If you want two girls to band each other and suck you dick then say it and don't be shy about it. If you want a girl to fist her sister and crap on the floor, then say it and insist upon it.

If you have the izms in any way and hesitate then they smell a sucker and you will be buying juice drinks all night and getting the response. No sex cheery girl sory.

Wrong Info
03-26-09, 15:52
Uh, there are cherry girls in Manila bars.Umm no there are not. It would dry up tourism there in a heart beat and they do not hire any cherry girl. Will not find it anywhere in manila.

You are dead wrong partner and realy just showed how little you know about the Philippines.

There are none in Cebu either and it is only a thing in AC and Subic that are run by the same few individuals-- but I might add not for long as many in high places want them out of the business as they are driving people away from the Philippines.

Wrong Info
03-26-09, 15:54
Usually the Koreans barfine much earlier than that. Then they may go barhopping with the girl, Agasya is better visited around 8-10pm.

Cheers! Why would you visit Agasaya unless you are Korean?

They will not let a girl leave with you unless you are korean- as it is korean owned and they do not allow girls to bar fine to anyone other than a korean.

This has been the policy there since the opening. The word itself is korean for young girl and anyone who says they have bar fined out of there that is not korean is spouting a lot of bologna.

Blackangst
03-26-09, 22:48
Why would you visit Agasaya unless you are Korean?

They will not let a girl leave with you unless you are korean- as it is korean owned and they do not allow girls to bar fine to anyone other than a korean.

This has been the policy there since the opening. The word itself is korean for young girl and anyone who says they have bar fined out of there that is not korean is spouting a lot of bologna.

You are absolutely, 100%, WRONG. 100%. If it wouldnt violate TOS I would link reports and pictures to prove it from a couple other boards. Unless, of course, those were bar owners posting, and the pics were photoshopped, right?

Have you ever been to AC?

And how about we put your assertion theres no nudity in the bars to bed shall we? Thats like saying theres no sex in strip clubs in the USA. Sure, its not common, but to say it doesnt happen is....well....WRONG INFO. You must have really had crappy trips!

Laylow3
03-26-09, 23:16
Why would you visit Agasaya unless you are Korean?

They will not let a girl leave with you unless you are korean- as it is korean owned and they do not allow girls to bar fine to anyone other than a korean.

This has been the policy there since the opening. The word itself is korean for young girl and anyone who says they have bar fined out of there that is not korean is spouting a lot of bologna.Ok, I'm going to have to wave the big BS flag on this one. This is just not true. At least in my experiences. I bar fined a girl out of Agasya for 2000p. I got riped off I know but I did BF from Agasya when I was there. I have to say a couple things though. First, I would not go back to Agasya since when I went there, it was pretty much a dump and empty. I didn't like the girls they had there. (not attractive) Second, I was in fact with two of my Korean friends when I went there. Lastly, I speak Korean also. Now, I don't know if they allowed me to go there because of all this but nonetheless I did BF a girl from there. There is a tall thin sexy mamasan that works there and I tried really hard to BF her but she said she couldn't. I was thinking that maybe I should wait for her after her shift ends but I am so impatient when I'm in the PI. Also I didn't know if she really would go with then anyway. Do you think I should I have waited for her?

Laylow3
03-27-09, 02:24
And how about we put your assertion theres no nudity in the bars to bed shall we? Thats like saying theres no sex in strip clubs in the USA. Sure, its not common, but to say it doesn't happen is. Well. WRONG INFO. You must have really had crappy trips! Well so much for there not being nudity in the bars in AC. I really don't give a flying flip if there is nudity or not in the bars AND I haven't had any problems with cherry girls scams in AC so a big thanks/kudos to Blackangst for setting the record straight. (for those who care.) Now you can at least stop ranting about there not being nudity in the bars in AC, wronginfo. Btw, that bar kinda looks like Geckos.

Ekspat
03-27-09, 02:57
They will not let a girl leave with you unless you are korean
100% wrong.
I know people in person, who have easily barfined a girl there.
Non-Koreans!

Cheers!

Amavida
03-27-09, 03:45
100% wrong.
I know people in person, who have easily barfined a girl there.
Non-Koreans!

Cheers!I second that E. WI is talking through his arse.
Differing opinions based on different experiences are ok but 'grinding an axe' based on incorrect information is tiresome.
Thousands of mongers a year come to AC & PI in general every year.
They cant all be wrong..

I ask myself why is it SO important to WI to bad mouth the place...
Hmmmm... thinks...

AV

Rubberyman
03-27-09, 06:40
I second that E. WI is talking through his arse.

Thousands of mongers a year come to AC & PI in general every year.
They cant all be wrong..

I ask myself why is it SO important to WI to bad mouth the place...
Hmmmm... thinks...

AV

I third that Ekspat.

Statements that only Koreans can barfine from Agasaya are outright porky pies.

I am not Korean or even look remotely Korean (unless there are fat white balding roundeyed Koreans that is).

I have barfined ladies from Agasaya - even when it has been relatively busy with Koreans in past visits. Never had any bad vibes from the place. However, this WAS the bar that I have had 'runners' from, so am a little cautious.

Rocksoff - you must have seen the same dancer as I did. She IS sizzling!

Mind you, the toilets in Agasaya are really substandard and out of character with the place.

Wrong Info
03-27-09, 17:10
Agasya and Las Vegas are both owned by a Korean. I had met him because the Girl who was running Agasya was a good friend of mine. Last nov when I went there she was pregnant and was leaving.

Here are the facts as i learned from her.

3. Girls are told to prefer Korean or Japanese because of the 3-3-3 deal.This is to the point - and they have only been opened a few years. At first it was Korean only from what I understood, but it is now apparently to prefer Koreans and give them better customer service etc. This is realy a sticking point with me, as for people who have gotten there ass saved by the Americans and to then discriminate against any race as the japanese are known for doing is just not accpetable.

Kind of like going to AC expecting strip clubs and finding that not only is nudity illegal but they also only cater to Koreans in many bars. The reality is AC has gone a long way down hill and is continuting to slide further with this kind of garbage.

Wrong Info
03-27-09, 17:16
So basically what this statement is saying is if there are Koreans around they are told you get no girl in Aggasaya.

Kind of like I said previously, but seems they have toned it down a bit. Therefore if you are desperate enough to have to visit AC these bars should be avoided atall costs. As well Typhoons was a Koreans only from what I understood for a long time, and now I am told they do not do much other than sell drinks. As well ofcourse as Blue Nile for teaching the girls to be runners as mamasans have admited, DollHOuse for hustling drinks with a good 60 % of the Girls claiming to be " Cherry Girls" if you want to bar fine them after buying drinks, Atlantis is the same from what I am told. And now it has spread in some form big or small to almost all Bars there.

This is not the case in Manila and if you must go to the Philippines, although you may have a bit more interaction with girls instead of drink hustlers, if you are willing to speak your mind the experience is much better- as for the guy saying that he has seen "Cheery Girl " claims in manila. I have been in almost every club there numerous times and never heard it mentioned to me or anyone else.

Wrong Info
03-27-09, 17:20
Well so much for there not being nudity in the bars in AC. I really don't give a flying flip if there is nudity or not in the bars AND I haven't had any problems with cherry girls scams in AC so a big thanks/kudos to Blackangst for setting the record straight. (for those who care.) Now you can at least stop ranting about there not being nudity in the bars in AC, wronginfo. Btw, that bar kinda looks like Geckos.So I guess you are saying that if they scroll bck through these pages to about 3 weeks ago - that the conversation did nto include admissions by you all that any form of nudity on stage is illegal in AC. Then you claimed that girls will sometimes grope a customer or show some brief titty at times , if you are in the right place at the right time.

So as much as you want to question my badmouthing the place to let others know what they can truly expect. I also question your continuances to paint a picture of a place that AC clearly is not by - proven by your own posts in the near past.

My father lives there and I have spent more time there than probably most on this board - I am posting the fact and people reading should know what awaits them.

Wrong Info
03-27-09, 17:23
Ok, I'm going to have to wave the big BS flag on this one. This is just not true. At least in my experiences. I bar fined a girl out of Agasya for 2000p. I got riped off I know but I did BF from Agasya when I was there. I have to say a couple things though. First, I would not go back to Agasya since when I went there, it was pretty much a dump and empty. I didn't like the girls they had there. (not attractive) Second, I was in fact with two of my Korean friends when I went there. Lastly, I speak Korean also. Now, I don't know if they allowed me to go there because of all this but nonetheless I did BF a girl from there. There is a tall thin sexy mamasan that works there and I tried really hard to BF her but she said she couldn't. I was thinking that maybe I should wait for her after her shift ends but I am so impatient when I'm in the PI. Also I didn't know if she really would go with then anyway. Do you think I should I have waited for her?More of what I was saying - just my only trip was soon after they had opened and then it was indeed Korean only service - why let yourself get ripped of? Becuase you want to give money to a Korean owned place that discriminates against other races?

Hey if you are that willing to get screwed over you will truly enjoy AC as it abounds.

Wrong Info
03-27-09, 17:27
You are absolutely, 100%, WRONG. 100%. If it wouldnt violate TOS I would link reports and pictures to prove it from a couple other boards. Unless, of course, those were bar owners posting, and the pics were photoshopped, right?

Have you ever been to AC?

And how about we put your assertion theres no nudity in the bars to bed shall we? Thats like saying theres no sex in strip clubs in the USA. Sure, its not common, but to say it doesnt happen is....well....WRONG INFO. You must have really had crappy trips!I notice you removed the dates form the pictures as if it shoed dates and times it would prove either they were recent to paint a fale pitcture done aftr hours -- or long ago before AC became a crap hole.

The funny thing is if readers scroll back just a very few weeks ago and probably not even that far- your own posts admit it is indeed a rarity to find it and you have to be in the right place at the right time.

The scenes like in that place you will not find in AC if you are going there looking for that.

Wrong Info
03-27-09, 17:31
Notice that in the pics there are no bar patrons anywehre near - one of someone standing very close fully clothed and not showing his face, and looks to be probably a door boy or bartender of a place.

There are no other bar patrons in any of the pics and clearly shows that - aswell the dates were scratched out -- why would you do that unless trying to hide something...

The reality is there is no nudity in AC - it is illegal.

You may get a girl to show some brief titty at yoru table after a multitude of comlaints - but the place does nothing but sell juice drinks in all the bars.

The rest is clever propoganda.

Blackangst
03-27-09, 23:26
I notice you removed the dates form the pictures as if it shoed dates and times it would prove either they were recent to paint a fale pitcture done aftr hours -- or long ago before AC became a crap hole.

The funny thing is if readers scroll back just a very few weeks ago and probably not even that far- your own posts admit it is indeed a rarity to find it and you have to be in the right place at the right time.

The scenes like in that place you will not find in AC if you are going there looking for that.

Of course its a rarity. See my comments about activities in American strip clubs. Your comment "The reality is there is no nudity in AC - it is illegal." is technically true, but its also true its illegal to get fucked or get a BJ in an American strip club, but it happens every day of the week. So the reality is, its WRONG INFO. Its not so uncommon as to say it never happens. That is WRONG INFO.

And if you had actually been to AC, you would know EXACTLY which bar this is, and know from the camera angles that MOST of the bar is not in the photos. There are many more pics like this, but personally I feel its not right to publish pics on a public board with other mongers in it without their permission. A private board is a different story but I can assure you at least 20 more pics JUST FROM THIS BAR, ON THIS NIGHT exist. But I honestly dont think you have ever been.

Youre a troll plain and simple. Even when presented with evidence of your WRONG INFO, you still throw up strawman arguments to supposrt your non-points.

Wrong Info
03-28-09, 02:38
Of course its a rarity. See my comments about activities in American strip clubs. Your comment "The reality is there is no nudity in AC - it is illegal." is technically true, but its also true its illegal to get fucked or get a BJ in an American strip club, but it happens every day of the week. So the reality is, its WRONG INFO. Its not so uncommon as to say it never happens. That is WRONG INFO.

And if you had actually been to AC, you would know EXACTLY which bar this is, and know from the camera angles that MOST of the bar is not in the photos. There are many more pics like this, but personally I feel its not right to publish pics on a public board with other mongers in it without their permission. A private board is a different story but I can assure you at least 20 more pics JUST FROM THIS BAR, ON THIS NIGHT exist. But I honestly dont think you have ever been.

Youre a troll plain and simple. Even when presented with evidence of your WRONG INFO, you still throw up strawman arguments to supposrt your non-points.Partner before you get into name calling like troll you better confirm your facts. I never said it " never happens"just that it is rare and not going to happen 90 % of the time. The fact you had to even remove the date and time to keep it secret is proof enough you had something to hide.

So go and take some more to try and redeem your credibility. And p; ease stop spinning posts into saying things that were not said.

As fas as if I have been there, well I will say again my Father livesthere, and I will be happy the next time I visit to show up in person and then you can acess wether I am a troll or not.

Send me how to contact in a I'm and I will be happy to pay you a visit and prove it when I am out there. Although I will already have my own stable of hos there that arent drink scammers, and non nude joints like you are spending so much time tryhing to sell us on while hiding the details that would give you away, .

Try changing the time in the camera so it does not show after closing, and ofcourse we will all belive you,

LOL

Wrong Info
03-28-09, 02:47
Re: BlackAngst

You are by the way making this way to easy for me.

You never answered te question why you took the time to remove the time and date from the pics?

It is obvious you are trying to hide something and it is a smokescreen, or you would have had no reason to hide that and scratch it off with the paint program. Hahahah. You realy have kind of proven my point without saying a word.

As far as what bar it is, again more help to prove my point. You see it is like all other bars, they all have mirros and even in the mirrors there is no reflection or even a hint of other customers, LOL

Guess you just have a habit of scratching out time and date on pics as you don't want to expose the calendar either,

LOL. So who is the real troll on here partner?

Wrong Info
03-28-09, 02:57
I have seen much discussion in the A. C. Forum on whether Agaysa only let korean guys bf. Not that I am saying anyone is a liar but I assure you that I am 100% white and I bar fine a Chinese/filopina there last November 2008 for 3 days. She only worked there for one month and last I heard she went abroad as a "domestic Helper". Never had any problem in this bar nor was I frowned on for barfining. I will tell you that the way to see if the bar is Korean owned is check out the C. R. They are less that up to western standards and NO toilet paper! Anyway this girl was great to be with and had a great rack. Bar fine her for 3 days took her to Subic she definately like to play and almost wore me out if thats possible. But to reaffirm. Agaysa lets white guys like me barfine. Lucky for us white guys! No offense DCand4 but that girl is a chat girl and I have chated with her online many times. I am not saying you didn't bar fine her and she does not work at Agasays,

But even in one pic you see her hand reaching and adjusting the web cam to get a better shot of her.

Then in the back you see the typical setting for the chat girls there with all their belongings and things in a small area, and everthing very close to the floor they lay on in houses that house several chat girls in differnt rooms.

Did she send you those or did you take them?

So how is business at Agasaya, is that your bar? \

Or are you a patron?

Here is a real pic I took of a girl in Korea, so I understand why the tiny dicks get angry as we also bang most of their ho's. I have been banging her and her frineds off and onn for about 10 years.

Wrong Info
03-28-09, 03:00
DCand4

I hope they have better girls than that in AC now.

I am not saying I have not banged some on that level, but honestly she would not be a 3 day bar fine for me.

Rubberyman
03-28-09, 05:23
More of what I was saying - just my only trip was soon after they had opened and then it was indeed Korean only service - why let yourself get ripped of? Becuase you want to give money to a Korean owned place that discriminates against other races?

Hey if you are that willing to get screwed over you will truly enjoy AC as it abounds.


G O T C H A !!!!!!!


Looky looky all!

Wrong Info just let slip that his "ONLY TRIP WAS soon after they opened" - that was YEARS AGO.

Perhaps someone could link WI's confession into the 'reports of dishonour'.

Oh boy, if anyone reading his reports believes a word - just PM me, do I have a used car/insurance policy/spare bridge across the harbor in San Francisco to sell to you!

No sane person could believe that a person who went to any mongering destination ONCE ONLY YEARS AGO has any credibility to today in that scene. Bars, girls, restaurants, security, hotels, change month by month - there is NO WAY that you can rely on someone who has now been outed by his own admission that he has not visited for years.

Add to that his multiple posting to crowd out others' comments - no wonder AC is doing well at the moment if this is the best the detractors can do....busy busy busy!

Now just to make a point about Agasaya.

I don't promote the place as I had a couple of runners from there, so I am cautious.

However, for the cost of a little under $2USD per beer, I can sit in nice surroundings and watch a lot of eye candy - no pressure to buy lady drinks. They have several basic shows: Their 'models' tall and thin and good looking come out like on a catwalk and gyrate in nice clothes to music - eye candy. Their dancers are athletic and talented with a couple of genuine firecrackers - more eye candy. They also have another set of dancers/models who do a sort of choreographed routine dressed in evening wear or the like - all pleasing to the eye. I normally have a couple of beers - total $4 while this is going on. I know that is not everyone's idea of fun, but it makes a break from the other bars - just like Blueberry Hill's singers are a break from the other bars. There is no way I can get this sort of laid back entertainment plus eye candy back home for $2 per beer.....and when I want some more 'personal attention' ahem, back in my hotel room, I can get that too. Someone who got scammed on his newbie trip years ago should move on.

Amavida
03-28-09, 05:37
...my only trip was soon after they had opened Excuse me SIR, you are flooding the Philippines/Angeles City thread with OUTDATED disinformation. Opinions are tolerated, indeed welcomed but you are giving everybody the shits endlessly harping about something you clearly have no knowledge of.

"...my only trip was soon after they had opened"

Thank you Rubbery for catching this so quick.
Mod's please warn this guy.
AV

Darth Sushi
03-28-09, 06:24
G O T C H A !!!!!!!

Looky looky all!

Wrong Info just let slip that his "ONLY TRIP WAS soon after they opened" - that was YEARS AGO.
Nice catch, Rubberyman! :D

Wrong Info
03-28-09, 07:10
Excuse me SIR, you are flooding the Philippines/Angeles City thread with OUTDATED disinformation. Opinions are tolerated, indeed welcomed but you are giving everybody the shits endlessly harping about something you clearly have no knowledge of.

"...my only trip was soon after they had opened"

Thank you Rubbery for catching this so quick.
Mod's please warn this guy.

AVLol,

Well you see it has still been reported that they prefer Koreans so I don't see where my info is that outdated and as I have family that lives there I do not need to waste my time---LOL

Yeah mods warn me that there are people spouting BS on here and painting pics that are far from reality in AC. I have said nothing racist either so have not broken any rules, oh you must be speaking of my comment saying the tiny dicks, but isn't that what was pointed out why the girls like them so I am just responding with what has already been said, so in that case you yourselfs would have to be warned, hahah.

It is not my fault AC is a huge dump. So don't blam me for jsut telling what it is, and again all readers have to do is go back several week in the posts and all I have said are confirmed by your own responses. Seems you can be your own worst enemy,

Why don't you cry when someone paints the overly brightbrushed pic of AC.

Wrong Info
03-28-09, 07:13
G O T C H A!

Looky looky all!

Wrong Info just let slip that his "ONLY TRIP WAS soon after they opened". That was YEARS AGO.LOL nice spin, but for yoru info Agasaya has not even been open for 3 years yet, have family that lives there so am in touch on a weekly basis of the goings on there, and sorry if we do not patronize bars that discriminate against other races or have a preference only for Koreans.

Maybe that is why AC does not allow nudity as they prefer suckers.

Cunning Stunt
03-28-09, 07:14
Mind you, if you keep feeding the troll, they do tend to stick around.

Maybe Jackson might award him his own thread, ĎWrong Info in Angelesí, as he did to Penbelly in the Thai Forum not so long ago. Here he was allowed to howl at the moon to his hearts content until he got bored and went away.

Perhaps he might be joined by that other frequent poster here/supposed monger who, on another Asian forum, referred to WGís as Ďfilthí:(.

Wrong Info
03-28-09, 07:17
Re-

Rubberyman comment

"Someone who got scammed on his newby trip "

Again you are your own worst enemy. As you just admited there are scams going on all over, as you spin it into asumption that it was a scam that caused a newbie to post..

So therefore you have just said that only a positive report should be posted and someone who got scammed should not post.

Thanks but no thanks and you have lost all credibility now to everyone reading. Proof positive is if people read back thorugh the posts for the last several weeks, they will see of my many trips and how we have hashed that so you know dam well I have been more than once.

Thanks for the help proving my point though.

Wrong Info
03-28-09, 07:21
maybe he meant the ONLY TRIP TO THAT BAR. What WI reported may be old news, but there is a large amount of information that supports the idea that some Korean business people discriminate.

I'm not fond of WI's negativity, but not sure if he's violated any of ISG rules.

And surely AV should be more generous considering his own history of (in my opinion) dubious information. That being said, AV has posted much more reliable and useful information (in my opinion) in the past year. It's unfortunate that he keeps that chip on his shoulder.

X

WI -- you DO deserve criticism for your racist comments about Koreans. What is your nationality? Is your first language English? I'm American, btw.It is obvious to anyone reading that I was saying the one trip to that bar (not AC), and the other posters know that already as we have discussed other bars in the past weeks, the only positive repots to spread propoganda for Geckos and Agasaya have turned my stomach so much and it is now obvious by their own comments that they are tring only to get positive reports of the place and atacking anyone who tells the truth-

I for one am glad this board allows it to be spoken, as when it is not people will leave to find better info.

Thanks Jackson

Rocksoff
03-28-09, 10:08
any form of nudity on stage is illegal in AC.

So what. In Thailand, the fish in a seafood restaurant are in tanks as you walk in. In the west, the fish are in the kitchen. You get the same fish on your plate.

During my visit to Angeles, smiling, joking and laughing a lot, I saw, groped, licked and sucked every tit I was interested in (as well as a few that were foisted on me). And ascertained that 90% of those girls shave. This includes door girls, waitresses and dancers, all the way down Fields and Perimeter.

Two tits in the hands are worth 20 onstage.

Blackangst
03-28-09, 19:41
Re: BlackAngst

You are by the way making this way to easy for me.

You never answered te question why you took the time to remove the time and date from the pics?

It is obvious you are trying to hide something and it is a smokescreen, or you would have had no reason to hide that and scratch it off with the paint program. Hahahah. You realy have kind of proven my point without saying a word.

As far as what bar it is, again more help to prove my point. You see it is like all other bars, they all have mirros and even in the mirrors there is no reflection or even a hint of other customers, LOL

Guess you just have a habit of scratching out time and date on pics as you don't want to expose the calendar either,

LOL. So who is the real troll on here partner?

Wanna bet on it? I can bet I can post pics of the same bar, same setting, showing at least 15 customers, and at least 5 other girls having similar fun, from the same set. In fact, I can post similar pics from at least 2 other bars. Do you have pay pal?

The fact is, anyone who has been to AC a few times knows everything you post is WRONG INFO. At this point, I think others are right...I need to quit feeding the troll. Unless of course you want to make a $$$ bet ;)

I didnt think you would.

Surfer
03-28-09, 21:05
G wrote:

Maybe Jackson might award him his own thread, ĎWrong Info in Angelesí,

I agree, although I would call the thread "Wonginfo ABOUT Angeles".

For the record, both nudity and prostitution are "illegal" in Thailand also, enforcement (or lack thereof) is all just a matter of the bribes paid to cops to look the other way.

That said, Pattaya and Soi Cowboy both have way more onstage nudity than AC does and for sex shows it is no contest. I'd also agree that on average there are more lookers with trim bodies in LOS gogos. Cherry girls do not grace the stages of Thai gogos like happens in the PI. And there is more mischief with bartabs in AC than in LOS.

So why do I so strongly prefer the PI you might ask? I can sum up the answers in 6 words: "The girls are WAY more fun. " I can understand why a guy like you would prefer LOS because to have fun you have to BE FUN. Most GFE girls want a guy to treat them like a GF, not like human trash. If you walk around with a buffalo chip on your shoulder, only the most desperate will want you to BF them. This is true in LOS too, but IMHO they are more just about the money anyway so it matters a lot less.

Back to the point of my post: Jackson there appears to be a critical mass of support to give Wronginfo his own thread, so that his unique views are not intermixed with those of the rest of the contributors to the Angeles forum.

Emale
03-28-09, 21:50
Everytime I see someone start their post saying....."No Offense"....I wonder why, if they mean "no offense", why they continue with the post to give offense!!

Anyway since you always are true to you moniker "Wrong Info" in your 2+ post per day average, I need to ask you were you at a Haloween Party when your picture was taken ?

Mister Fusion
03-28-09, 22:41
Here is a real pic I took of a girl in Korea, so I understand why the tiny dicks get angry as we also bang most of their ho's.That's a man, baby!

Darth Sushi
03-29-09, 03:37
...have family that lives there so am in touch on a weekly basis of the goings on there...Yeah, right! :D I doubt it because for someone who hates AC as much as you do, why even bother with weekly updates???

Bob Down
03-29-09, 11:37
I was singled out once on a local chat site and then a Bar Owner was given my personal information about me by the person who owned the site and one of his close friends. This was not disclosed to me and I had no ideal they were cohorts as they only allowed propoganda posts on that site, and banned any that posted real experiences. They then targeted me for scams.

You need to be carefull with these type as many are scum of the earth and it is a breath of fresh air to be able to read what can realy be expected without having to be overly cautious of just reading posts from bar owners.

This post explains why WI is here, why hasn't anyone picked up it before?

WI, picked a fight with the wrong people and got burnt, generally everyone here gets along. Unlike the Thai board that has it's own fight club thread. Nobody here denies that there are scams in AC but you can get scammed in any part of the world. I myself have been scammed for ladies drinks both in AC and in Bangkok. Lesson learnt, then I move on.

You need to let go of the past and move on, report on what happens to you in AC now not before. May I ask when was your last trip to AC?

Bob Down
03-29-09, 12:36
As well Typhoons was a Koreans only from what I understood for a long time, and now I am told they do not do much other than sell drinks.


Typhoon, La pasha and Carousel are all owned by the same group. German I believe. So does your source of info, tell you that La pasha and Carousel are only there to sell drinks too? Feel free to look up pashagroup on the internet.

Wrong Info
03-29-09, 14:49
this post explains why wi is here, why hasn't anyone picked up it before?

wi, picked a fight with the wrong people and got burnt, generally everyone here gets along. unlike the thai board that has it's own fight club thread. nobody here denies that there are scams in ac but you can get scammed in any part of the world. i myself have been scammed for ladies drinks both in ac and in bangkok. lesson learnt, then i move on.

you need to let go of the past and move on, report on what happens to you in ac now not before. may i ask when was your last trip to ac?ok well since you insist on trying to post spin off of the real point of the posts- that was a caution to people about the chat sites in ac and the goings on of bar owner set ups. i did not pick a fight with anyone, they are a on going scam and many have been set up right out of the bars. they have had torists arrested in hotel rooms with girls they have just barfined from a bar. then the claim that she was ****.

i have a father that lives in ac and i go there about every 3 months to take his meds.

i do post the situation there and find it surprising how guys on here like to post they no so much, yet post so little, and things like american hotel supposed to be haunted as if that is what people are looking for. and for your information it is suppoed to be clarkton and mirrors and the same crap.

so her ya go--lol

the situation is other than special shows like paint shows that take place in one bar on a certain night, then the girl is covered with paint, there is no nudity. as pointed out by many it is illegal.

the girls mostly claim to be cherry girls, and are thereto sell drinks only. the bars are teaching the girls to be runers, and they constanly overcharge on lady drinks trhat are nithing but juice.

thanks for helping point this out, as many have, yet you seem to only choose my posts as they are clearly to the point and my name lets others know of this.

Wrong Info
03-30-09, 06:22
G wrote:

That said, Pattaya and Soi Cowboy both have way more onstage nudity than AC does and for sex shows it is no contest. I'd also agree that on average there are more lookers with trim bodies in LOS gogos. Cherry girls do not grace the stages of Thai gogos like happens in the PI. And there is more mischief with bartabs in AC than in LOS.Pardon if I pulled the quote of your post that confrims lots of what I have previously said that has been so disputed by those who claim the opposite of what you have said. As for the girl experience, 10 years ago I would have agreed with you , today NOT the case any more. In favt in AC the girls have become more business attitude and oriented than Thais ever were. The Bar owners now are almost demanding in lots of places that you buy a drink even to find out of a girl is a so called "cherry " drin hustler only.

Some are going to come on and say - well if they are cherry they have a red V card etc, but for 90 % of the first timers they have no ideal what that means and should be wanred in advance of the scam. Otherwise they get no sex, no fun, nothing but scammed there.

The only part I disagree with other than that is that my views are somehow unique. I have yet to meet anyone who enjoys getting scammed, and that is about all AC is good for these days.

Bob Down
03-30-09, 09:28
ok well since you insist on trying to post spin off of the real point of the posts- that was a caution to people about the chat sites in ac and the goings on of bar owner set ups. i did not pick a fight with anyone, they are a on going scam and many have been set up right out of the bars. they have had torists arrested in hotel rooms with girls they have just barfined from a bar. then the claim that she was ****.

i have a father that lives in ac and i go there about every 3 months to take his meds.

i do post the situation there and find it surprising how guys on here like to post they no so much, yet post so little, and things like american hotel supposed to be haunted as if that is what people are looking for. and for your information it is suppoed to be clarkton and mirrors and the same crap.

so her ya go--lol

the situation is other than special shows like paint shows that take place in one bar on a certain night, then the girl is covered with paint, there is no nudity. as pointed out by many it is illegal.

the girls mostly claim to be cherry girls, and are thereto sell drinks only. the bars are teaching the girls to be runers, and they constanly overcharge on lady drinks trhat are nithing but juice.

thanks for helping point this out, as many have, yet you seem to only choose my posts as they are clearly to the point and my name lets others know of this.

i post here when i feel i have something to offer, not because i like reading my own words on the internet. yes i am a tourist that chats with local girls that is where i get my information from. if my information is correct, there was two murders, one at america hotel and one at clarkton. are you saying that these murders or at least one did not take place? as far as ghosts are concerned, i don't know and don't care.

did hear about a girl getting killed in tiger hotel once too but i don't know if that is true or not.

reading all your posts we have,

no cherry girls.

drinks scams.

no strip clubs.

no nudity.

ac is a dump.

so now what else can you contribute to this forum, that does not contain any of these. fair enough if a newbie asks the question feel free to answer but please change the record once and a while.

Amavida
03-30-09, 11:06
In favt in AC the girls have become more business attitude and oriented than Thais ever were.Utter nonsense. The fuckbots of Thailand are all business compared to the GFE of PI.
Lets not kid our selves though, in both places we ARE talking about prostitutes nevertheless.

The Bar owners now are almost demanding in lots of places that you buy a drink even to find out of a girl is a so called "cherry " drin hustler only.Garbage! As a seasoned visitor I dont feel any strong drinks pressure. Of COURSE the bar will ask you if you want a drink, its called hospitality. If i declined there was no repercussions. I still chatted up girls & found what I wanted regardless. Often find chatting & entertaining the mamasan is useful to help select a girl that meets your requirements but not vital. Get plenty of great BF's where a girl will choose ME! ;)

Some are going to come on and say - well if they are cherry they have a red V card etc, but for 90 % of the first timers they have no ideal what that means and should be wanred in advance of the scam. Otherwise they get no sex, no fun, nothing but scammed there.Does'nt hurt to clue complete noobs about the myths & realities of the Cherry Girl phenomenon. Calling it a scam is overstating a bit but we are talking about the vice industry here so are we really so surprised? Ok can we move on now?

... getting scammed, and that is about all AC is good for these days.Totally disagree. I visit regularly. Just came back from there recently. You claim does not tally with my experience.

You're full of it mate!
AV

Victorian
03-30-09, 14:39
My ignore list consists of one - Wrong Info. His rantings were getting very tiresome and I his negativity was getting annoying, e.g. shouldn't give the girls any tips! I really dislike the three F approach to the girls there - I've met so many genuine girls in AC who do not try to get the maximum out of your wallet.

As others have also written, please don't waste your time on wrong info!
Just ignore all that rubbish and don't respond.




Utter nonsense. The fuckbots of Thailand are all business compared to the GFE of PI.
Lets not kid our selves though, in both places we ARE talking about prostitutes nevertheless.
Garbage! As a seasoned visitor I dont feel any strong drinks pressure. Of COURSE the bar will ask you if you want a drink, its called hospitality. If i declined there was no repercussions. I still chatted up girls & found what I wanted regardless. Often find chatting & entertaining the mamasan is useful to help select a girl that meets your requirements but not vital. Get plenty of great BF's where a girl will choose ME! ;)
Does'nt hurt to clue complete noobs about the myths & realities of the Cherry Girl phenomenon. Calling it a scam is overstating a bit but we are talking about the vice industry here so are we really so surprised? Ok can we move on now?
Totally disagree. I visit regularly. Just came back from there recently. You claim does not tally with my experience.

You're full of it mate!
AV

Robbaf
03-30-09, 22:25
This post explains why WI is here, why hasn't anyone picked up it before?
I picked it up!


I have a father that lives in AC and I go there about every 3 months to take his meds.
He wants AC all to himself:D

Professional
03-31-09, 05:19
DCand4

I hope they have better girls than that in AC now.

I am not saying I have not banged some on that level, but honestly she would not be a 3 day bar fine for me.Personally I think she look pretty good (Agaysa girl). I would not mind barfining her. Remember WI just because she does not appeal to you does not mean she does not appeal to everybody else. WI how about some pictures of what you think are stunners?

Aussiec
03-31-09, 05:53
I visited ac in February and this place is a dump. No girls, no beer, no hotels, no bars, just one huge ghost town. Please no one ever visit this place because the reports I read in the last 2 weeks just is all true and that is the gospel truth. So please do not visit the ghost town of AC. Because our friend Wrong Info is the Godfather of AC and as they say "Father knows best! Last word.

Thank God theres AC for the rest of us!.

Puerto La Cruz
03-31-09, 12:42
A newly created account repeating all over again the same tripe of WI... gee wonder who that could be?

Welcome to ignore list, I've had enough.

AV
And he hasn't even been on this site for very long.

X Man
04-01-09, 08:40
The quote at the bottom is AV writing to Wrong Info.

He seems to tell WI that "what you say is quite true" and that WI should "completely ignore" X Man.

Now look thru this thread and you'll be surprised that AV quickly changes his tune and then joins the fray in attacking WI. (Sorry, WI, you'll get no sympathy from me).

Now, what I've done here is quote AVD and state some facts. Let's see how quickly he starts jumping up and down about how I always attack and nitpick people -- apparently not yet realizing the biggest blowhards make the biggest targets.

Oh, btw, AV has also threatened to report me and cause me to get my own thread as well. Pathetic.

X Man




the ONLY way to deal with him is to COMPLETELY IGNORE HIM when he does post nit picking nonsense.What you say is quite true.


AV

FireWalker
06-02-09, 17:32
Typhoon, La pasha and Carousel are all owned by the same group. German I believe. So does your source of info, tell you that La pasha and Carousel are only there to sell drinks too? Feel free to look up pashagroup on the internet.

Wrong Info,
I know for a fact that a buddy of mine has pulled 20 different girls from La Pasha in the last six months alone. Maybe you should have an honest look at yourself.

X Man
06-26-09, 15:40
Oh, why would I take a shot at you? Maybe because you pretend to be a friend as Illogic....gather personal info...then as D'etat, the hip hop star, you threaten to reveal personal info.

Recently, I get people harping about my Japan / Detroit background. What a coincidence, that is info I gave to Illogic in PM messages.

Maybe you are dela cruz too. You obviously use your numerous aliases to your advantage. Are you AV too? I think AV has only posted pictures once or twice, but you have proclaimed that they are far superior to anything else posted. Sounds like the same egotistical person to me.

WHoever you are, you're very good at what you do. You are very good at copying rough black English as well as whinig like a whitey. You're an inigma.

X












These guys are not an entity of me. I was Boy wonder, BPD81 Detat, Warbucks and now Illogic. Thats it.

Are you taking a shot at me X and if for? For what?

Warbucks
06-26-09, 16:07
Oh, why would I take a shot at you? Maybe because you pretend to be a friend as Illogic....gather personal info...then as D'etat, the hip hop star, you threaten to reveal personal info.

Recently, I get people harping about my Japan / Detroit background. What a coincidence, that is info I gave to Illogic in PM messages.

Maybe you are dela cruz too. You obviously use your numerous aliases to your advantage. Are you AV too? I think AV has only posted pictures once or twice, but you have proclaimed that they are far superior to anything else posted. Sounds like the same egotistical person to me.

WHoever you are, you're very good at what you do. You are very good at copying rough black English as well as whinig like a whitey. You're an inigma.

X

X whatever you are smoking please put it down. I don't know your background and I never got background info from you....I don't care about other members backgrounds. You got the wrong guy.

I sincerely hope whatever problems you have you get them addressed. Those names I just gave you are the only names I have ever went by and I will be changing back to Warbucks as it has a ring and it suits me.

Take Care

X Man
06-27-09, 00:57
Okay, I'll take your word on this.

Yea, you should change your name back. The name "Illogic" reminds me of the name "WrongInfo".


Those names I just gave you are the only names I have ever went by and I will be changing back to Warbucks and it has a ring and it suits me.

Take Care

Ruff Rider
06-28-09, 09:43
I wonder if there has been a bit of confusion. Most bars on this earth, including bars in Angeles make huge amounts of money on the booze they sell in drinks. Mostly relabled rot gut put into brand name labeled bottles. For example White Fang vodka into an Absolute bottle and sold at top shelf prices. Even though drinks in Angeles are relatively cheep. (except at Nero's) So even though they profit $20 USD per girl they sell as a barfine, a customer can drink far more than that in a evening.


Wrong Info,

I know for a fact that a buddy of mine has pulled 20 different girls from La Pasha in the last six months alone. Maybe you should have an honest look at yourself.

FireWalker
05-20-12, 10:39
If you start by buying drinks for waitresses, then you definately will not get offered to buy sex as they will look at you as a true sucker that is buying drinks for girls that are not even supposed to be availabkle on the clock for customers as they are supposed to be there to serve drinks- uhh sorry no.

This is a good effort, but realy kind of opposite of what it is. If a bar that is supposed to be selling sex is concerned with how many drinks you buy then you need to hit the road fast and find one selling pussy.

This is why AC has become a bust for the sex monger and will continue that way with only positive reports coming from bar owners with creative ways of writing posts to try and get you to buy drinks.Not true, in most bars waitresses do go out, a lot of customers prefer waitresses. I think WrongInfo dashes in and out of bars so much, that he really never takes the time to understand how things work. He's welcome to his strategy, but I'm sure he misses out on a lot of fun. He's right though, the bars are not selling sex. That would be illegal.

His understanding of the Lady Drink is also skewed. You are not buying a drink, you are buying "time" in the form of a drink. So it doesn't matter if it is juice or whatever.

Also, most bars have a one drink minimum policy.

The best looking girls in the bars will not go with a point and shoot customer, as they already have regulars. Why would they go with someone they don't know that won't even buy a drink to get to know them? I know hotties that aren't particularly picky that go with a regular without his buying drinks.

I think Wrong Info's strategy doesn't work so well and that is why he doesn't like AC.

Bar Manager

BionicMan
05-20-12, 12:26
I wonder if there has been a bit of confusion. Most bars on this earth, including bars in Angeles make huge amounts of money on the booze they sell in drinks. Mostly relabled rot gut put into brand name labeled bottles. For example White Fang vodka into an Absolute bottle and sold at top shelf prices. Even though drinks in Angeles are relatively cheep. (except at Nero's) So even though they profit $20 USD per girl they sell as a barfine, a customer can drink far more than that in a evening.Fully agreeing. If not a bar would be a brothel serving some drinks as a side service cause you can't have thirsty customers. So are the soapies in Thailand, for instance. Those places make money from the girl services. And the girl makes her bit from the house (and from the tips). Go-go bars give a bit of the bar fine to the girl and she makes her money from the ST or LT fee. The bar fine is meant to compensate the bar from the incapacity of the girl to provide the booze income as she is away. As simple as that. Little or a lot, girls do get a monthly salary from the bar as this is generated by her capacity to sell booze, in whatever way: dancing and attracting drinking customers inside the bar, spending time with the customer at his table and make him drink and buy LD. I can't understand people complaining about the price of a Corona in 7-11 and in a bar. One indeed can buy his Corona in 7-11 and spend the evening in looking at the passers by, if any and if there is any place to sit. I rate it miserable, but it is a very personal opinion. Others might like it.

Apart the freelancers on the streets, if one does the math, wherever he goes, be it a soapie, a massage, a go-go bar, and takes advantage of girl services for a FS, he ends up in paying some 50$, more or less, as a whole, for a ST. Just the partial amounts are making the difference, but the total always ends up in that area of costs, roughly.

Timeer
05-26-12, 05:08
I was in AC in late January, and will go back in 2 weeks. So I figure I can save some time barhopping if anyone can help me finding the best bars for finding the hottest gals.

I recall Agasya, The Forgotten City, Icarus, Crystal Palace, Ponytail and Texas had a good selection back in jan. I probably didn't check out more than 30ish bars though.

So where are the lookers these days? What is your favourite bars? And which bars tries to scam you?

TKP1
06-17-12, 02:02
I was in AC in late January, and will go back in 2 weeks. So I figure I can save some time barhopping if anyone can help me finding the best bars for finding the hottest gals.

I recall Agasya, The Forgotten City, Icarus, Crystal Palace, Ponytail and Texas had a good selection back in jan. I probably didn't check out more than 30ish bars though.

So where are the lookers these days? What is your favourite bars? And which bars tries to scam you?AC is AWESOME!

I say hop to EVERY bar & enjoy, you'll find your favs. The turn over of girls is frequent so it's hard to say which bars are the best at any particular time.

Scams: Yeah, there is pressure from some of the ladies to buy them a drink but I've never been tricked or scammed out of any of my money at any establishment. Besides my common sense radar is always on just in case.

I see many complaints on this site regarding this "Adult Playground" we call AC. I love AC. There are seasoned pros & there are lovely, cute girls that are new to the game that arrive on a daily basis. My favorite pass time is looking for my diamond in the rough. For the price of a cup of coffee I am flirting and mingling with lovely 18+ year old girls with bodies to die for. No complaints here.

I think it is easy to start to take it all for granted when you've been around the scene for a while (I've been guilty of this many times myself). The first day I arrive, all the girls look like beautiful China dolls that I can't wait to get my hands on. After a few days I find myself picking them all apart physically & mentally, always looking for the perfect lady. Until I put myself back into check.

Even outside the bar scene there are many beautiful smiles that are always willing to make your acquaintance. At SM Mall, walking down MacArthur Highway, a waitress in a local restaurant, etc. You have to put in a little more time with these girls but for me their company & adulation is more than worth the effort IMHO.

I will be back there in a few days to play Rock Star once again! .

C U SOON AC. TKP

RumBuddy
04-02-15, 02:10
I agree, I plan to be be there in 1 month. I plan to have a good time. I plan to treat the women very good. I don't judge them, just try and feel careful to get a clean girl. I know they are not privileged women and I don't have an elitist attitude or a feeling where I'm looking for freebies, I think that is soooo crude. If they treat me right, I will treat them good.

RumBuddy
04-02-15, 02:14
AC is AWESOME!

I say hop to EVERY bar & enjoy, you'll find your favs. The turn over of girls is frequent so it's hard to say which bars are the best at any particular time.

Scams: Yeah, there is pressure from some of the ladies to buy them a drink but I've never been tricked or scammed out of any of my money at any establishment. Besides my common sense radar is always on just in case.

I see many complaints on this site regarding this "Adult Playground" we call AC. I love AC. There are seasoned pros & there are lovely, cute girls that are new to the game that arrive on a daily basis. My favorite pass time is looking for my diamond in the rough. For the price of a cup of coffee I am flirting and mingling with lovely 18+ year old girls with bodies to die for. No complaints here.

I think it is easy to start to take it all for granted when you've been around the scene for a while (I've been guilty of this many times myself). The first day I arrive, all the girls look like beautiful China dolls that I can't wait to get my hands on. After a few days I find myself picking them all apart physically & mentally, always looking for the perfect lady. Until I put myself back into check.

Even outside the bar scene there are many beautiful smiles that are always willing to make your acquaintance. At SM Mall, walking down MacArthur Highway, a waitress in a local restaurant, etc. You have to put in a little more time with these girls but for me their company & adulation is more than worth the effort IMHO.

I will be back there in a few days to play Rock Star once again! .

C U SOON AC. TKPI agree, I plan to be be there in 1 month. I plan to have a good time. I plan to treat the women very good. I don't judge them, just try and feel careful to get a clean girl. I know they are not privileged women and I don't have an elitist attitude or a feeling where I'm looking for freebies, I think that is soooo crude. If they treat me right, I will treat them good.