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Que Rico
02-28-08, 06:01
Just got back from Rio. The lower staff are saying Help will close on the 28th.

But upper management guy I know just winks when I ask him. A friend of mine in Copa who is very highly placed says it won't close, they've done this for the past five years. Looks like a crackdown , but nothing changes.

Property ownership is still in dispute and the businesses have valid long term leases. There are three owners of the club and the Brazilian one is very very highly placed. Also the prefeitura don't have the R25 Million it would take to expropriate land and businesses.

I bet anyone a beer it doesn't close.I don't drink beer but Ill take a Goiaba :)

http://odia.terra.com.br/rio/htm/predio_da_boate_help_e_desapropriado_147906.asp

article in newspaper needs translation:

Quote:
The decree 41,151, published in the edition of this Tuesday of the Official Newspaper, declares of public utility, for ends of dispossessing, the building situated in the Street Dijalma Ulrich, n°4, corner with the Atlantic Avenue , nº 3,432 and his respective land. Treats-itself of the localities where functions the nightclub Help.

The intention of the governing one Sérgio Cabral is going to install there the Museum of the Image and of the Sound (MIS), that is at present in the Center of Rio . The idea transform-him in a big cultural museum and extend its reach.

In the same edition, also was published the decree 41,152, that decides to dispossessing of the building of the Street of the Carmo n° 27, where will be installed to new headquarters of the Procuradoria General of the State ( PGE ).

Brazilman
02-28-08, 08:38
If help closes, I promise you one of these terma owners will figure out a way to make one of their places a club or after hours club. The termas as they are now or too small but I'm sure there is a place that they can make a club. I could see The Office being a option.

Bravo
02-28-08, 09:37
I don't drink beer but Ill take a Goiaba :)

http://odia.terra.com.br/rio/htm/predio_da_boate_help_e_desapropriado_147906.asp

article in newspaper needs translation:

Quote:
The decree 41,151, published in the edition of this Tuesday of the Official Newspaper, declares of public utility, for ends of dispossessing, the building situated in the Street Dijalma Ulrich, n°4, corner with the Atlantic Avenue , nº 3,432 and his respective land. Treats-itself of the localities where functions the nightclub Help.

The intention of the governing one Sérgio Cabral is going to install there the Museum of the Image and of the Sound (MIS), that is at present in the Center of Rio . The idea transform-him in a big cultural museum and extend its reach.

In the same edition, also was published the decree 41,152, that decides to dispossessing of the building of the Street of the Carmo n° 27, where will be installed to new headquarters of the Procuradoria General of the State ( PGE ).

Dont order that drink just yet!!

What the government wants to do with this property is different than what they are going to do. I just cant see them coming up with the millons that it is going to take, to pay off the owners of the land and the owners of the businesses. They can print as many news articles as they want and have all kinds of press hearings, but it just isnt going to happen!!

Brazil Rio
02-28-08, 14:39
This sounds like a propaganda action... only this.

The government must to have more important things to do.

the prostitution activity will not finish, or even reduce.

It's possible that have a big increase instead.

And it will be a nice place that will exist only in our memories, unfortunately.

Jan 156
02-28-08, 14:57
Guys! I know it's fun to chat, I like doing it myself. But shouldn't we make some effort to keep this thread for actual reports of sex instead of endless speculation about whether a particular venue might or might not shut??

Sure, if Help does actuallly shut, that is worth reprting, if and when. Yet even if it happens it is only one funpark in a city of paradise and more p4p than a smalll country.

There are so many mongers who are regulars at RJ and Brasil and it would be fun to have a "discussion group" just for the social crack, but a newbie would have to search for a long time to find the stuff they need. Added to this that the section (and thread) is enormous, even where it sticks to reports . . .

A report is something that has happened. Speculation is something that might. I know one or two people (a very few) make Help their main or only destination for some reason but even then I think we should have some respect for what is probably the most valuable source of reports on the Net. Just IMHO.

Off Road
02-28-08, 17:26
Guys! I know it's fun to chat, I like doing it myself. But shouldn't we make some effort to keep this thread for actual reports of sex instead of endless speculation about whether a particular venue might or might not shut??
.We need a Rio Discussion thread. There are a lot of people with questions, and with answers. Reports of distinction is not just Rio.

Wild Cherokee
03-01-08, 01:57
While I am not in Rio at the moment, a very reliable source (fellow monger) called one of my wingmen today and informed him that Help was officially closed last night. For what it is worth, I don't beleive that our source would call us with inaccurate information.

WC

Cachaca Lover
03-01-08, 06:26
While I am not in Rio at the moment, a very reliable source (fellow monger) called one of my wingmen today and informed him that Help was officially closed last night. For what it is worth, I don't beleive that our source would call us with inaccurate information.

WC


.............other than the fact that I was there this evening and it was very much open? You might want to invest in a new wingman?

Smokers Rule
03-01-08, 07:10
OK, so I'll bite. I'm heading to Rio for my first time next month. Assuming Help closes (which seems to be a big assumption), where else can I find TLN's? I'm not asking where they MIGHT be found after Help closes...I'm asking if there's any other places to find them now...

Jan 156
03-01-08, 07:19
OK, so I'll bite. I'm heading to Rio for my first time next month. Assuming Help closes (which seems to be a big assumption), where else can I find TLN's? I'm not asking where they MIGHT be found after Help closes...I'm asking if there's any other places to find them now...

You would think this forum is just chit chat but if you dig deep you'll find a wealth of info underneath. Look for Bubba's Guide, Sperto's maps. Then when you see posts by people who write decent reports click on their names and look up their other posts.

RJ heaves with pussy. 24hrs. I haven't scored from Help for ages and will barely notice if it goes. If people abuse this forum people will stop using it, which is a shame. If Help goes, all we've lost IMO is a tourist attraction.

Wild Cherokee
03-01-08, 13:38
.............other than the fact that I was there this evening and it was very much open? You might want to invest in a new wingman?

The source of the information is not my wingman but rather a friend of his who travels to RJ quite frequently and is a fellow monger. My apologies if the information is inaccurate. My goal, as is yours (I assume), is to share information with the community. Unfortunately, this was second hand information that I thought came from a reliable source.

As for myself, I am indifferent to the closing of Help. While it is a unique experience, it neither makes nor breaks my trips. In fact, I find myself going there less with each trip to the “promised land” and retaining the services of even fewer GDPs.

I usually opt to have the Terma GDPs meet me there so we can dance and have a drink or two (just for the fun of it) before we go back to my apartment for a TLN.

My apologies if the information is indeed incorrect.

WC

Cachaca Lover
03-01-08, 15:46
The source of the information is not my wingman but rather a friend of his who travels to RJ quite frequently and is a fellow monger. My apologies if the information is inaccurate. My goal, as is yours (I assume), is to share information with the community. Unfortunately, this was second hand information that I thought came from a reliable source.

As for myself, I am indifferent to the closing of Help. While it is a unique experience, it neither makes nor breaks my trips. In fact, I find myself going there less with each trip to the “promised land” and retaining the services of even fewer GDPs.

I usually opt to have the Terma GDPs meet me there so we can dance and have a drink or two (just for the fun of it) before we go back to my apartment for a TLN.

My apologies if the information is indeed incorrect.

WC


Didn’t mean to diss your wingman. Just wanted to add my personal observations. I am not a Help regular but just went in there last night to see if the rumors were true or not. In 7 years of making about 5 visits per year to Rio, I have only been to Help twice. Its not the kind of place I really like going to, but I know that many in this forum do.

I ran into a friend inside last night who is one of the Help regulars – a carioca who helps young women find men of means both inside and outside Help. I asked him about the closing rumors and he just laughed. He’s not the definitive source of course, but figured I’d share that bit of information.

Ryjerrob
03-01-08, 16:54
If Help goes, all we've lost IMO is a tourist attraction.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

ryjer

Exec Talent
03-01-08, 17:06
Christopherd was being diplomatic when he suggested that we try to keep this thread on point.

This thread is for firsthand experiences of what is currently going on in Rio. It is not the thread for chiming in trying to relive your past experiences everytime someone posts because you can no longer afford to go to Rio.

I went to Help. It was open. Thanks for the information. I went to VM and had a great time. Thanks for the information. I went to a new termas in Central and it was really empty. Thanks for the information. I saw Ingrid from XYZ escort agency and she looked nothing like her photo. Thanks for the information. These are the kind of posts that make this thread useful to new as well as experienced visitors.

I almost am done with my comprehensive guide to alternatives to high-priced Copa termases. I agree with EA, if you want to save some money and have a better experience, spend some time learning Portuguese. It is time well spent.

Spinnerman
03-01-08, 18:57
Speaking of Termas

I went to a Termas the other night quite close to Help, It was close to an intersection. It was #22 you go up stairs, about a dozen negra/mulatta garotas.
10 Real cover gets you 3 Skol. I think Ipaid 55 Real for a 30 minute program
( regular sex and A BBBJ , and I came in her mouth , but she was married so she wouldn't let me kiss her LOL , )

Once I sobered up I can't find the place. Anyone know it?

Java Man
03-01-08, 19:01
... If Help goes, all we've lost IMO is a tourist attraction.


I couldn't have said it better myself.

ryjer

Help has a website and a forum.
Caveat:
it's not run by Help Disco, and it's on a US server.

http://www.discoteca-help.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=369

Looks like they got new moderators Jan 10, 2008 :/

Ryjerrob
03-01-08, 20:15
Help has a website and a forum.
Caveat:
it's not run by Help Disco, and it's on a US server.

http://www.discoteca-help.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=369

Looks like they got new moderators Jan 10, 2008 :/

Not sure what you're saying or implying with this. Can't really say much about the ownership of the site or the server, but I am a moderator. If you look at the forum, there really are only a handful of people that participate, including myself.

If Help closes, or is closed, it's not the end of the world!!! There's so many other opportunities in Rio than Help. The fact that everyone keeps going on and on about it here has just lessened any importance.

ryjer

Java Man
03-01-08, 21:16
I just found it curious that a moderator of a forum, could care less, if the subject of said forum, closed.
Might lead one to suspect the credibility of said forum. You'd hope a moderator would have a vested interested in the subject.

Back on the subject of Help closing: in 2 months,...maybe.

Off Road
03-01-08, 21:38
OK, so I'll bite. I'm heading to Rio for my first time next month. Assuming Help closes (which seems to be a big assumption), where else can I find TLN's? I'm not asking where they MIGHT be found after Help closes...I'm asking if there's any other places to find them now...I think we posted serval times.. start walking up Ave Atlantaica from Mabs restaraunt. You will find a number of bars that have girls.

Spinnerman
03-01-08, 21:51
I think we posted serval times.. start walking up Ave Atlantaica from Mabs restaraunt. You will find a number of bars that have girls.Meia Pataca and Balcony restaurant on Av Atlantica are the major ones. During the day lots of GDPs on the beach in front of Help and also in front of the Meridien.
A few Termas on Av NS de Copacabana and lots of clubs termas near corner Pr Isabella/Av Atlantica.

Early in the am. 5 am or so a number of girls hang round Nogueiras

Ryjerrob
03-01-08, 23:50
I just found it curious that a moderator of a forum, could care less, if the subject of said forum, closed.
Might lead one to suspect the credibility of said forum. You'd hope a moderator would have a vested interested in the subject.

Back on the subject of Help closing: in 2 months,...maybe.

Like I said about the forum, there are very few people that actually participate. While individuals share stories about Help, there's more to the mongering scene than Help. As for the specifics of the actual moderating duties on that particular forum, well, it's more about spam, and those attempting to sell their crap.

As people post, I attempt to keep the topic going by responding, and sharing experiences. Again, while I have had some positive experiences at Help, there is more to the mongering scene for me. I have gained a ton of useful information from this forum, and some really useful insight. I just don't think Help is all there is. In the Help forum, I also encourage others to try to expand their knowledge, and look at other opportunities within Rio, as I have.

With regards to the credibility of the "said forum," it is what it is. My vested interested is in the mongering scene in general, not just one specific meeting place. I don't think I can say it any better than that.

ryjer

JayHighFive
03-02-08, 13:23
I hear a lot of talk that there are many other places to go to if Help shuts down. And I know during the day and evening there are plenty of places like the beach, any number of termas's, MAB's Balcony, Meia Pataca, VM, etc. But where is there to go at mid-night? In addition to that Help usually has several hundred girls to chose from either inside or outside. Where can we find such a larger and wonerful selection? I'm not a pro so maybe I just don't know where to find such a place like Help.

Andy1974
03-02-08, 19:24
I just walked past help, the entrance fee has increased. It is now R$25 before midnight and R$35 after midnight.

kbilly1690
03-02-08, 21:43
Are all the girls in help disco hookers? How much do they charge?

Thanks

Carlos Primeros
03-02-08, 23:03
If Help closes - you you really think that 1000 GDP will leave Copa??? There will be another bar/restaurant/joint to pick up the business and the mongers and girls will meet there. It will take only a few days and the scene will have a new joint.

Don´t worry - keep mongering

Carlos

Jan 156
03-02-08, 23:24
I hear a lot of talk that there are many other places to go to if Help shuts down. And I know during the day and evening there are plenty of places like the beach, any number of termas's, MAB's Balcony, Meia Pataca, VM, etc. But where is there to go at mid-night? In addition to that Help usually has several hundred girls to chose from either inside or outside. Where can we find such a larger and wonerful selection? I'm not a pro so maybe I just don't know where to find such a place like Help.

VM is 24hrs, 365 days. I often only go after midnight. Later on Nog opens around 4am. After that you have time to freshen up before Centro termas at 10am.

Off Road
03-03-08, 00:14
Are all the girls in help disco hookers? How much do they charge?

ThanksNot all only 99%.

JayHighFive
03-03-08, 00:23
VM is 24hrs, 365 days. I often only go after midnight. Later on Nog opens around 4am. After that you have time to freshen up before Centro termas at 10am.Thanks Bro that is good to know. Just wondering if there is another club or change of pace. How about Babarella? Is that like a smaller version of Help? I kinda liked the club scene.

Combo
03-03-08, 03:14
Hey Christopherd,

What Centro Termas open at 10AM?

Exec Talent
03-03-08, 03:28
If you have a current report from a recent trip to Rio, post it here. Otherwise post your shit somewhere else. This thread is becoming totally useless. Jackson creates a thread for comments on photos and people still comment in the photo section.

You people are getting as bad as the assholes who light up smelly cigars in the termas or bore and gross everyone out with the details of how they really hit it. Get some class.

BTW, if you find this post offensive, that in itself should tell you something.

Mr Enternational
03-03-08, 06:21
Hey Christopherd,

What Centro Termas open at 10AM?

Not expensive termas, but regular local average joe termas...eg. 1R/min. All of them are open by 10.

Off Road
03-03-08, 18:46
Thanks Bro that is good to know. Just wondering if there is another club or change of pace. How about Babarella? Is that like a smaller version of Help? I kinda liked the club scene.Jay, read bubbas guide.
American Bars: Barbarella, Chiccolina, Franks, Sensoo, Erotika, etc. These are strip clubs like in the USA. You pay a cover to enter, you pay an exit fee to take a girl.
Termas: These are sex bars, with rooms. You pay a cover, you pay for a room if you want, you pay for a girl. You enter, sit around and drink, typically in just a robe, feel the girls, kiss, get to pick from many girls and go with one to a room if you want.
Bars/Restaraunts on ave Atlantica: Mabs, Balcony, Meia Pataca, Terraço Atlantico. Open bars and restaraunts, no cover, some food, you sit watch the girls and if you want, pick one for the hour or night, go to motel or your place.
Help: discoteque, no stripping, no sex inside, just a place to meet. You strike a deal and go to your place. There are some other discos around, but none the size or scale of Help.
Villa Mimosa: Locals go here, they have places similar to termas, but much cheaper and not a place to go for a novice alone.

Chuchuma
03-03-08, 22:33
In Rio for only one night. What is the best way to spend it?

Thanks

Hojeobrigado
03-04-08, 02:08
If you have a current report from a recent trip to Rio, post it here. Otherwise post your shit somewhere else. This thread is becoming totally useless. Jackson creates a thread for comments on photos and people still comment in the photo section.

You people are getting as bad as the assholes who light up smelly cigars in the termas or bore and gross everyone out with the details of how they really hit it. Get some class.

BTW, if you find this post offensive, that in itself should tell you something. Nice trip report Exec

Puta Romeo
03-04-08, 02:17
Does anyone know where "Andressa" could be found in Brazil. I found these videos of her on youtube and all I can say is WOW.

"Andressa" is the super thick of the two dancers that is primarily featured.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxaSCBas07A&feature=related

Bravo
03-04-08, 08:32
Does anyone know where "Andressa" could be found in Brazil. I found these videos of her on youtube and all I can say is WOW.

"Andressa" is the super thick of the two dancers that is primarily featured.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxaSCBas07A&feature=related

Surely your not thinking that you might have an opportunity to program with this girl!! Thats song CREU, is the biggest song in Brasil. That group is touring all over the coutry performing in front of huge crowds.

I just thought about it for a second, it would have been hilarious if someone had came on the board and said you could find Andressa at 4X4!!! I would love to see the girls faces behind the desk, when guys walk in and ask them to call down the girl from the Creu song! LOL!!!

Jesuscola
03-04-08, 14:14
Does anyone know where "Andressa" could be found in Brazil. I found these videos of her on youtube and all I can say is WOW.

"Andressa" is the super thick of the two dancers that is primarily featured.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxaSCBas07A&feature=related

I know her boyfriend. He's not a guy that anyone in Rio wants to cross....

Bravo
03-04-08, 15:33
I know her boyfriend. He's not a guy that anyone in Rio wants to cross....
Why? WHo is he? Some Dono of a favela?

Puta Romeo
03-04-08, 16:59
Thanks Jesuscola that's good enough for me lol.

RobertInRio
03-04-08, 21:53
First, let me clarify my perspective. I speak Portuguese, lived in Rio almost eight months from 2004 to 2005 and loved it back then. I just got back from Rio and it was the worst trip of my life. The girl-guy ratio in Help was ten guys to one girl. The GFE experience in Rio is no where to be found If you like real dark girls from the North that work for 30 Reals when they are not in Copa then maybe you may find some fun in Rio. But if you liked the lighter skin blonds with green eyes and hot gfe nights and mornings then it looks like Columbia is the only game in town left in South America.

I hate even posting this but it is 100% true. Anyone that tells you anything different either is trying to make money on you or was never in Rio back when it was a paradise for single men. In 2004, there were so many girls it was insane. Now not only is it almost impossible to find anything over a 5, but when you do it seems like all they are interested in is scamming you.

Here is a list of costs in Rio. Apartment over $75 a day per person. Food is about $10 to as much as $30 per meal. Any female companionship will cost you about $150 to $200 to as much as $300 for the night. Total cost per day is about $350 to $500 per day. If I wanted to have a day like I had back in 2004 with two or three girls and a nice dinner and drinking till 3:00A.M, then I estimate it would cost about $800 to $1,000 a day.

Here's the way used to be for one day:

1. A girl from the beach for two hours from around 100 to 150 Reals in the afternoon plus 10 for the chair.

2. A trip to the Solarium for about 300 to 400.

3. Maybe a six pack of bear and a six pack of some sort of hard drink in the evening costing about 80 reals.

4. Paying for maybe two to four drinks for a few girls costing 30 reals.

5. Food cost was about 50 to 100 reals for the day.

6. Transportation was about 30 to 50 reals.

7. A girl from Help for the night was about 250 to 325 to end the evening and the entry fee of 30 reals. The total for the night was about 400 with drinks

8. Apartment was about $75u.s.

Total: 400 + 50 + 75 + 30 + 80 + 350 + 150 = 1135 or $650 us + $75 = $825 a day!

In 2004 the apartment was $50 and the exchange rate was 3.2 to one so the same trip was maybe 400 a day.

Rio sucks these days!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Romello
03-05-08, 02:52
First, let me clarify my perspective. I speak Portuguese, lived in Rio almost eight months from 2004 to 2005 and loved it back then. I just got back from Rio and it was the worst trip of my life. The girl-guy ratio in Help was ten guys to one girl. The GFE experience in Rio is no where to be found If you like real dark girls from the North that work for 30 Reals when they are not in Copa then maybe you may find some fun in Rio. But if you liked the lighter skin blonds with green eyes and hot gfe nights and mornings then it looks like Columbia is the only game in town left in South America.

I hate even posting this but it is 100% true. Anyone that tells you anything different either is trying to make money on you or was never in Rio back when it was a paradise for single men. In 2004, there were so many girls it was insane. Now not only is it almost impossible to find anything over a 5, but when you do it seems like all they are interested in is scamming you.

Here is a list of costs in Rio. Apartment over $75 a day per person. Food is about $10 to as much as $30 per meal. Any female companionship will cost you about $150 to $200 to as much as $300 for the night. Total cost per day is about $350 to $500 per day. If I wanted to have a day like I had back in 2004 with two or three girls and a nice dinner and drinking till 3:00A.M, then I estimate it would cost about $800 to $1,000 a day.

Here's the way used to be for one day:

1. A girl from the beach for two hours from around 100 to 150 Reals in the afternoon plus 10 for the chair.

2. A trip to the Solarium for about 300 to 400.

3. Maybe a six pack of bear and a six pack of some sort of hard drink in the evening costing about 80 reals.

4. Paying for maybe two to four drinks for a few girls costing 30 reals.

5. Food cost was about 50 to 100 reals for the day.

6. Transportation was about 30 to 50 reals.

7. A girl from Help for the night was about 250 to 325 to end the evening and the entry fee of 30 reals. The total for the night was about 400 with drinks

8. Apartment was about $75u.s.

Total: 400 + 50 + 75 + 30 + 80 + 350 + 150 = 1135 or $650 us + $75 = $825 a day!

In 2004 the apartment was $50 and the exchange rate was 3.2 to one so the same trip was maybe 400 a day.

Rio sucks these days!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.I've been to Rio 2 times in the past year, and I've never spent more then $400 a day for everything..

Meals, terma visit, drinks, chica from HELP at night.

if you speak Portuguese, there's no way you should be paying that much..!

Svengal
03-05-08, 03:19
First, let me clarify my perspective. I speak Portuguese, lived in Rio almost eight months from 2004 to 2005 and loved it back then. I just got back from Rio and it was the worst trip of my life. The girl-guy ratio in Help was ten guys to one girl. The GFE experience in Rio is no where to be found If you like real dark girls from the North that work for 30 Reals when they are not in Copa then maybe you may find some fun in Rio. But if you liked the lighter skin blonds with green eyes and hot gfe nights and mornings then it looks like Columbia is the only game in town left in South America.

I hate even posting this but it is 100% true. Anyone that tells you anything different either is trying to make money on you or was never in Rio back when it was a paradise for single men. In 2004, there were so many girls it was insane. Now not only is it almost impossible to find anything over a 5, but when you do it seems like all they are interested in is scamming you.

Rio sucks these days!Wow.complete garbage

I'll admit that the Help ratio is getting worse, as is the exchange rate. But after that, the only reason you pay so much is because you're being scammed perhaps. Fine apts in Copa can be had for $50-60 a day. Good meals can be had for $5-10 (stay away from MP). And as for the garota's, there are still plenty of 7's and 8's that will take an average of 200 reals (less for the 5's, more for the 9's). And the termas are still the same. And let me not mention the cheaper boites and VM that charge per min.

As for GFE, I have them waking up in the morning cooking me breakfast in the morning naked on the regular. Then off to the room for more.

Bravo
03-05-08, 03:31
My Brothers, there is a reason why its called "the Good Old Days"!! Those days are gone forever and nothing will ever bring them back, just get used to it.


Now as far as the girls go, its all a matter of preference. If you got to Rio looking for a Jessica Simpsons, Katherine Heigl, Jenna Jameson lookalike; then guess what? You are going to pay top dollar for it, plain and simple. Its like a guy who walks into a porshe dealership and get pissed off that he cant buy a convertable, for the price of a toyota!!

Lucky for me, my preference is the morenas/mullattas with the big bundas. Now my girls are only going to cost me around 150/200R a night.

So if you want that white skin, blond hair with big tits look in Rio, bring plenty of money!!

Watchman4400
03-05-08, 06:15
I have not been a member of this board very long but I have been going to Rio for the past 5 years. I go somewhere between 6 to 8 times per year. Mostly for business but as you all know, it is never "all" business in Rio.

I will say this about the prices, it matters who you are how much you pay. I hear a lot of guys talking price fixing by the girls and I promise that all guys do not pay the same amount. I just recently started to learn the language so I had no advantage there, but I am a decent looking guy. I work out and I try to dress nice. I buy a few drinks and I smile at the ladies. I hang out with a group of guys who are like me.

We consistantly, pay less than other guys at Help, Meia Pateca and on the beach. I was there for a week in December and I am going back in two weeks. I never pay more than R$200 for the full night out of Help. I never pay more than R$130 during the day at MP. We only hang out with the most beautiful girls we can find and usually other guys want to hang with up because we have a good time.

I am not trying to disagree with some of the guys on the board that are frustrated with the way the prices have been going, all I am saying is if you are a good looking guy with a good personality you can do it cheaper than most.

Jan 156
03-05-08, 07:05
thank goodness i don't go to help . . .

my average costs . . .

transport for the day abour r5
food for the day about 15r or less
drinks 10r
drinks or small pressie for a girl 5r
apartment 55r (admittedly this is a bit cheap)
quickies with 3 different girls 3x20r = 60r
overnight (between 12 to 24hrs) with girl who works help but who i meet in nog and then phone when i need her (applies to several, not just one, and they are all 8's) 100r

total 250 real



as i don't always do 4 girls in a day it's not always as much as that, but then i'd probably spend the difference on the theatre or dancing.

i think i agree that rio is no longer the cheapo paradise for people who want to visit all the tourist places like helpee and barberellas. maybe they might consider some of the top european destinations instead. but if you are more used to mexico, or other third world places, it makes perfect sense.

for newbies (and help addicts) robertinrio's pricing is a good warning, but if you've followed the threads about vm, centro 1r a minute places, etc and think you can handle that, then nothing much has changed.

if you're planning your first trip to rio (and are not attracted by the fact that it's a fantastic destination even without the p4p), maybe ask - unless money is no object -which sort of gringo are you?

but i am biased - i go to brasil and especially rj cos, corny as it sounds, i love the place, its people, its culture. one can only do so much pussy a day and there are many places where that quantity is easy enough to obtain. rio is still the marvellous city afaiac. some of the girls can get carried away (knowing that some folk will pay silly prices at certain times in certain places) but there's always plenty of others. and i don't avoid solarium (or even help) because of price - it's just that there's other places i'd much rather be drinking and shagging.


btw - speaking porto is not an automatic entry card imo. i'm not suggesting anyone here is in such a category but i've seen plenty of loud-mouthed, high-spending gringos that speak 'perfect' porto but with zilch knowledge of how to behave like a carioca. they really stick out.

i guess i am one of those sad people that won't mind if places like help are consigned to history and 4xz4 becomes a purely american-style pussy theme park that provides the occasional entertainment in the form of an expensive, glittery and meaningless shag after drinking with your buddies and exchanging macho tales of how you gave it to so-and-so centaurus girl three times up the bottom or saying what a great job the locker room girl has cos she gets to see all the men naked. you can carry your credit-card filled designer wallet there without fear of theft, act like an ar*e and everyone will smile politely, and generally pretend that brasil is a 1st world country that thinks you are the dog's bo**ocks. and one of the nicest things about 4x4 is that it is only a few bus stops from vm, where people have to behave normally and politely, girls interact with much less pretense and only charge you 20r for the pleasure of parting their milky white freshly-showered thighs in the wall-to-wall bedlam of noise and smelly bathrooms . . .

i can get an expensive hooker in most countries (except america, where there are generally only astronomical hookers worth having). but i can get genuine, non-pimped, low-cost, back-to-basics girls in brasil. and if you don't agree, i am genuinely thrilled.

Cho 637
03-05-08, 07:30
thank goodness i don't go to help . . .

my average costs . . .

transport for the day abour r5
food for the day about 15r or less
drinks 10r
drinks or small pressie for a girl 5r
apartment 55r (admittedly this is a bit cheap)
quickies with 3 different girls 3x20r = 60r
overnight (between 12 to 24hrs) with girl who works help but who i meet in nog and then phone when i need her (applies to several, not just one, and they are all 8's) 100r

total 250 real



as i don't always do 4 girls in a day it's not always as much as that, but then i'd probably spend the difference on the theatre or dancing.

i think i agree that rio is no longer the cheapo paradise for people who want to visit all the tourist places like helpee and barberellas. maybe they might consider some of the top european destinations instead. but if you are more used to mexico, or other third world places, it makes perfect sense.

for newbies (and help addicts) robertinrio's pricing is a good warning, but if you've followed the threads about vm, centro 1r a minute places, etc and think you can handle that, then nothing much has changed.

if you're planning your first trip to rio (and are not attracted by the fact that it's a fantastic destination even without the p4p), maybe ask - unless money is no object -which sort of gringo are you?

but i am biased - i go to brasil and especially rj cos, corny as it sounds, i love the place, its people, its culture. one can only do so much pussy a day and there are many places where that quantity is easy enough to obtain. rio is still the marvellous city afaiac. some of the girls can get carried away (knowing that some folk will pay silly prices at certain times in certain places) but there's always plenty of others. and i don't avoid solarium (or even help) because of price - it's just that there's other places i'd much rather be drinking and shagging.


btw - speaking porto is not an automatic entry card imo. i'm not suggesting anyone here is in such a category but i've seen plenty of loud-mouthed, high-spending gringos that speak 'perfect' porto but with zilch knowledge of how to behave like a carioca. they really stick out.

i guess i am one of those sad people that won't mind if places like help are consigned to history and 4xz4 becomes a purely american-style pussy theme park that provides the occasional entertainment in the form of an expensive, glittery and meaningless shag after drinking with your buddies and exchanging macho tales of how you gave it to so-and-so centaurus girl three times up the bottom or saying what a great job the locker room girl has cos she gets to see all the men naked. you can carry your credit-card filled designer wallet there without fear of theft, act like an ar*e and everyone will smile politely, and generally pretend that brasil is a 1st world country that thinks you are the dog's bo**ocks. and one of the nicest things about 4x4 is that it is only a few bus stops from vm, where people have to behave normally and politely, girls interact with much less pretense and only charge you 20r for the pleasure of parting their milky white freshly-showered thighs in the wall-to-wall bedlam of noise and smelly bathrooms . . .

i can get an expensive hooker in most countries (except america, where there are generally only astronomical hookers worth having). but i can get genuine, non-pimped, low-cost, back-to-basics girls in brasil. and if you don't agree, i am genuinely thrilled.

well said! (even though i still go to help!) :)

Trash Talking
03-05-08, 07:55
I bought my flight to Rio for April 20th and I'm now regretting it. I've been reading this site (and posting since 2003, name change. Thank you divorce).

I loved what I've learned about Mexico, Cuba and Thailand and I admit, I think I bought my ticket way to early. However, Brazil seems screwed. $200R. $400R for a fuck. Hell Cuba is $50, Thailand is $30, Mexico is $60 (or less).

My trip is for 20 days and I was initially hoping that I would have to fight my way out of Brazil because it kicked so much ass, but with Uruguay and Argentina coming in at substantially cheaper, I'm looking for input.

I don't speak Portuguese at all and that doesn't scare me, but when I read about the violence in Brazil, when I read these sites about the now defunct 'MECCA' of Help charging $400R for a night and then I read that you can expect to pay $250ARS or $80 for Argentina with a good steak, limited muggings, I'm starting to tell myself that I should see if I can change my flight.

Tell me I'm wrong. Convince me. I like anal. I like big boobs. I love blonde's. Whats a guy to do?

Even Uruguay with its $80 US ladies is sounding better than Brazil because those women are Brazilian or Argentinian anyway.

My plan was to spend 5 days in Rio, 3 in S. P. , then 2 in M. V. And 10 going to either Tierra del Fuego or Chile. HELL, even top quality Chilean ass is going for $50. 00US.

So why am I going there? What is up with Brazil? I am 35, have money, am slim, attractive, educated and my airplane ticket is free. I feel like I'm nutz for coming there. Is there no $100 ass that isn't above a '5' left? Are you Brazil-a-files so dedicated that you will spend an ass load of money just to hang on copa/ipaneme?

I plan to goto the Termas, but $400R or $230 US for a fuck with anal. Hell I can get that in Vegas and not have to fly 1/2 way around the world and only spend a little more.

Don't get me wrong, I like travel. I like new experiences, hell I love exploring and my trips are only about 50/50 mongering. Tourism. But please old timers and experts, please explain to me the draw with a 1:1. 68 exchange rate.

I've been reading for two weeks now and am having trip buyers remourse!

DJ FourMoney
03-05-08, 09:12
My Brothers, there is a reason why its called "the Good Old Days"!! Those days are gone forever and nothing will ever bring them back, just get used to it.


Now as far as the girls go, its all a matter of preference. If you got to Rio looking for a Jessica Simpsons, Katherine Heigl, Jenna Jameson lookalike; then guess what? You are going to pay top dollar for it, plain and simple. Its like a guy who walks into a porshe dealership and get pissed off that he cant buy a convertable, for the price of a toyota!!

Lucky for me, my preference is the morenas/mullattas with the big bundas. Now my girls are only going to cost me around 150/200R a night.

So if you want that white skin, blond hair with big tits look in Rio, bring plenty of money!!

It depends on your persuasion...

If your a Caucasian guy from Europe or some other country dominated by Caucasians people, then going to South America makes sense as many woman in those areas like Anglos.

I don't fault people for going to Brazil/Argentina however looking for Caucasian looking Latinas, its the fact they exist makes them quite exotic and matching the best things that make typical Caucasians women and Latinas look good in one body put them in high demand.

If you like dark hair, complexion and dark eyes, why pay a Vista charge when there are several countries you can visit as a Caucasian guy and do well and the exchange rate is better.

If the good ol'e days are gone, then I don't see any advantage to visiting Brazil anymore, if the girls aren't freaky (P4P or otherwise). Besides I feel foolish investing in Rosetta Stone in Portuguese and only can use it in 2 countries overall, when Spanish is a hell of lot more useful if your going to plunk down that kind of scratch for language software...

My .02

Prosal
03-05-08, 10:21
if you speak Portuguese, there's no way you should be paying that much..!
Nonsense. It's not about speaking portugese. Many brasilians are BIG spenders. It's about your personal tastes and your style of living.

You can stay in a 100 reals/day dump on Barato Ribeiro or in a nice 300 reals one-bedroom apart in Mercure Apt Ipanema (or a 800 reals room in Marriott).

You can dine for 40 reals for two in Largo do Machado or Cobal Humaita or spend 200 reals per person in Aprazível, Fasano Al Mare, Olympe or Olivier Cozan.

You can nurse a 4 reals Skol can in Lapa or Arcos de Teles or spend 1200 reals for a VIP table, two bottles and some sushis in Baronetti, Nuth or Bombar.

You can fuck a 150 reals skanky favelada in Help or a 500 reals Playboy Coelhinha in Sao Paulo.

ect ect.

Anyway I fully agree with RobertinRio. There's much cheaper and better destinations than Brasil for a guy who travels to treat himself and fuck beautiful women.

Off Road
03-05-08, 14:24
The girl-guy ratio in Help was ten guys to one girl. The GFE experience in Rio is no where to be found
When were you in Help with that ratio? I go there fairly often for entertainment and, except for Carnival, their are always more gals than guys.
I am not sure how you missed getting a GFE, I always have girls that will stay until you want them to leave in the morning.
Your prices are fairly accurate (except the beach chair, where are you going, in front of Othon, the rip off place? a chair should be 1 or 2 reias.)

Exec Talent
03-05-08, 15:28
Was at a termas last night and ran into a girl that used to work at NS Copacabana 583, #203. She is the second girl at a termas I first met at #203. In my opinion she also is now one of the most attractive women, if not THE most attractive woman at this termas.

If you have not tried #203, make a point of stopping by on your next trip. If you plan on going to one of the Copa termases you can do it before you go since they open up I believe at 11:00 AM. However, I would go around 1-2 since more girls will be there then.

Do not expect anything fancy. However, I have found some gems there and at much better prices than you will find at the high-priced places.

Bravo
03-05-08, 15:56
Thank goodness I don't go to Help . . .

Overnight (between 12 to 24hrs) with girl who works Help but who I meet in Nog and then phone when I need her (applies to several, not just one, and they are all 8's) 100R



What is Nog? Where is it?

El Austriaco
03-05-08, 19:22
I loved what I've learned about Mexico, Cuba and Thailand and I admit, I think I bought my ticket way to early. However, Brazil seems screwed. $200R. $400R for a fuck. Hell Cuba is $50, Thailand is $30, Mexico is $60 (or less)

Tell me I'm wrong. Convince me. I like anal. I like big boobs. I love blonde's. Whats a guy to do?
I'll quickly address this issue, since I have been to Thailand (twice), Cuba (once; ten years ago), and I have been living in Mexico for five years now, so I thought I should put things in perspective a bit. In other words: this is not a trip report, but I'll respond here because that's where the question was raised. Desolé.

Thailand is cheap, yes, and it's point-and-click action, but I guess when you like anal, big boobs, and blonds, it wouldn't be on the top of list. Not on my list. To say nothing of the long trip there.

Sex in Cuba is cheap, yes, but it's certainly not point-and-click, and about as cumbersome as it gets. Truth be told, TCOP (total cost of pussy) is certainly nowhere near USD 30.00 if you factor in that, in all likelihood, you have to feed the girl, you can't take her to your hotel and have to find a private residence to do her, or you have to bribe the security guard at the hotel, etc. etc. To say nothing of the hassle of having to protect her from getting hassled by the police and whatever not. And the problems in terms of taking a trip there if you are a US citizen or resident.

Mexico is USD 60.00 or less? True, you can screw a girl for that price, verdad... but honestly, the girls that I have seen around her for that price, I'd rather whack off myself. Where I live, in Central Mexico, I know places where you can do girls for roughly MEX 600.00 (more or less for USD 55.00), plus a MEX 100.00 (USD 9.00) entrance fee, and honestly, the 20+ times I have gone there over five (!) years, I maybe saw one that was anywhere near pretty and about five that I would do for USD 10.00 if she was in Rio. There are cheaper options here, too (SW), for about USD 40.00: in my humble experience, they are only worth it as a reference standard for the most mechanical DFE you will ever want to experience. Many of them don't even take their top off. DFK, BJ (any BJ!), what's that? GFE???? It's really just worth it to pay it once to see how bad things can get.

Needless to say, the places where you meet those chicks aren't exactly upscale, either, and can be downright nasty (and possibly dangerous; if you ever had to deal with a group of drunk Mexican machos, you know what I mean).

Of course, this experience of mine is only based on my part of the woods here, but based on what mongering friends here that have traveled to other parts of Mexico have told me, and based on what I read about Mexico City, Guadalajara, Monterrey here on ISG, I seriously doubt that it's very different (and significantly better) elsewhere. In my personal assessment, Mexico is worst than any other mongering destination I have ever been to (compared with Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia, DR, Cuba, El Salvador, Guatemala, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia).

My point is: you don't mind low-scale mongering, Rio has TONS of cheap options (in the USD 10.00 to 20.00 range), as extensively documented here on ISG by people like Sperto, Christopherd, Chingon, and myself. You don't mind the hassle of getting off the beaten track, there's an entire mongering world waiting for you to explore and gems to be found, with looks and prices that, IMHO, are way better than anything you would find in Mexico at three to five times the rate, and at far less trouble than you would have to go through in Cuba. As to safety, many of these cheap options are nothing more than a 20-minute metro ride away, in Centro. And anal is easier than in any of your references places, big boobs, too. As to blonds, I certainly have found them in cheapy Brazilian termas, yes, not many, but still. Just gotta look around. But if blond is such a major issue for you, I suggest Medellin in Colombia.

As always, I recommend reading Bubba's Guide first and the Reports of Distinction next. That way, you will have a very good idea of ALL the options available to you in Rio, not just the high-priced ones in the Copacabana mongering zoo.

Good luck, hope this helps.

EA

Rio Lover #2
03-05-08, 22:32
What is Nog? Where is it?


Nog = Nogueira, it is a bar-restaurant, just opposite of Barbarela, in Rua Ministro Viveiros de Castro.

RL

Jan 156
03-05-08, 22:58
What is Nog? Where is it?
Rua Min.Viveiros de Castro, between Princesa Isabel and Av. Prado Junior. It’s a fave of mine but I emphatically don’t recommend it unless you know your way around very well and want the challenge. (Otherwise you will get ripped off and/or eaten alive.) But in terms of 24hr Rio it’s I guess a feature on the map. Goes with the even dodgier Bar Prado round the corner (same opening hours), a place I like to drink with people, inc garotas I know, but Bar Prado is probably not a place to score unless you are feeling seriously common-sense challenged or just like flirting with danger. To do Nogueira successfully, you need to be able to blend in pretty well, keep the waiters doing your bidding, and be in complete control of your game. They will size you up within seconds, so you have to beat them at their own game. This includes keeping the many uglies at bay (not easy) and still getting the beauties without spending too much. See Jesuscola’s notes . . .



The GFE experience in Rio is no where to be found.
Sorry to hear you had a bad experience. But you are way off base. The GFE experience in RJ is in my opinion second to none. But like everything you have to find it.


bought my flight to Rio for April 20th and I'm now regretting it.
My trip is for 20 days and I was initially hoping that I would have to fight my way out of Brazil because it kicked so much ass, but with Uruguay and Argentina coming in at substantially cheaper, I'm looking for input.
Not sure what you mean by cheaper. I’ve done overland from Argentina to Rio, taking in Uruguay. I found Uruguay serviceable – there was pussy available – but I wouldn’t make a special trip. I met very nice people there but found much of the country unimpressive. Argentina (by which I take it we mean Buenos Aries?) is very different again. I don’t mind occasionally paying top prices for top quality and, with that proviso, Buenos Aries satisfies quite well. Model-looks beauties available with a degree of sophistication I have never found in years of RJ mongering. SP might be slightly better but Brasil has much to catch up on culturally whereas BA-Argentina is a cultural capital, like the best of Europe rolled into one city, and top girls reflect this. The mentality in BA is as refined as the best in the western world. If you love opera, the theatre, ballet, you will also find world class here, as well as tango, whereas Cariocas will talk thru a show. The bottom end p4p there however is very utility – walk around the station area till you get an offer, she takes you to a nearby address and gives you matter-of-fact service at a cheap price. The ‘bottom’ end in RJ is way superior and you can multiply the number of girls by many hundred. The top end girls I’ve met in Rio are sophisticated cos of travel and some education, but they still cannot reach the intellectual sophistication of the Argentine experience IMHO. Steak in Argentina is the best I have eaten anywhere in the world.

I don't speak Portuguese at all and that doesn't scare me, but when I read about the violence in Brazil, when I read these sites about the now defunct 'MECCA' of Help charging $400R for a night and then I read that you can expect to pay $250ARS or $80 for Argentina with a good steak, limited muggings, I'm starting to tell myself that I should see if I can change my flight.
If you are sensible and an experienced traveller, especially not a loud American that carries around more than they need, you should have no probs in Brasil. I personally hate the constant reminders of it being a violence ghetto. But you do have to be more careful than in Uru or BA/Arg, especially if you stay in Copacabana or Ipanema. RJ is a very big diverse city.

Tell me I'm wrong. Convince me. I like anal. I like big boobs. I love blonde's. Whats a guy to do?
I only go for anal very occasionally but it’s more often available than in many locations. At least they know what you are talking about and won’t be shocked if you ask. Plenty of big boobs, natural or silicone (RJ is a plastic surgery hotspot). As you can see from the occasional photos I post, I like blondes and do mostly blondes. There are so many girls in RJ you can choose your tastes (once you pass the other hurdles like money, getting around, not getting scammed, and so on).

Even Uruguay with its $80 US ladies is sounding better than Brazil because those women are Brazilian or Argentinian anyway. There’s also plenty of locals. But you have to make an effort – eg look thru the paper, phone up, make an appointment, find the place. Whereas in RJ you can (on limited time) jump in a taxi and go to 4x4 (pricey but fixed, unlike Help and much of Copa) which is quite a phenomena. Or you can get a taxi or metro (metros are 100% safe) to Centro for the cheap brothels – lots, all within walking distance (do your homework first and print a copy of Sperto’s map, or your feet may end up aching unnecessarily). You can have fun just having a look even if you don’t buy.


My plan was to spend 5 days in Rio, 3 in S. P. , then 2 in M. V. And 10 going to either Tierra del Fuego or Chile. HELL, even top quality Chilean ass is going for $50. 00US.
Excuse me, but I think this is the hardest part of your plan. Five days in Rio if it’s your first trip is just about long enough to be overwhelmed. A city the size of London, mostly speaking a language you don’t understand, and where you have to be security conscious to boot. But you can pack in a lot if you pre-prepare. Especially as you like quality tourist stuff. Your first visit is always likely to cost you more, especially if it’s that short. But you can do a lot of pussy, Sugar Loaf, Corcovado, Samba City, Ipanema beach, and that’s just for starters. It’s a stunning city. I think the reports of high cuisine are over-rated, but you can get very serviceable food. I’ve eaten good steak free in Centro (short of best restaurants, the street sellers vary from barely edible to excellent, but none expensive). Rio is still justifiably one of the most legendary cities in the world.


So why am I going there? What is up with Brazil? I am 35, have money, am slim, attractive, educated and my airplane ticket is free. I feel like I'm nutz for coming there. Is there no $100 ass that isn't above a '5' left? Are you Brazil-a-files so dedicated that you will spend an ass load of money just to hang on copa/ipaneme?

I don’t spend 200Real (US$100 approx – the dollar sign can be confusing as it’s also used sometimes for Real). Starting prices in 4x4 are a bargain compared to Help. Help is a phenomena, but not necessarily the best place to score. I think the quality is probably better than Vegas but I don’t know Vegas well. 4x4 has a large number (estimates vary – but well over a hundred available at any given time) of girls, 95% of which could past catwalk muster and are between 19 and 25. It’s a nice atmosphere and you can stay for ages and pop whenever you feel like it. Take off the expensive make-up and get to know your way around and you can get the same beauty level for less than 30R (US$15) but you probably won’t find that on your first trip if it’s for five days. Big jump – but the main in-betweens are probably the escort girls, which are pot luck to an extent.

Only my view, but I hope it helps. If you are tacking on west coast (Chile) bear in mind that’s a lot of flying and culture shock to do in a short space of time.

Mr Enternational
03-06-08, 02:07
Tell me I'm wrong. Convince me. I like anal. I like big boobs. I love blonde's. Whats a guy to do?

As to blonds, I certainly have found them in cheapy Brazilian termas, yes, not many, but still. Just gotta look around. But if blond is such a major issue for you, I suggest Medellin in Colombia.
EA
Also needs to be mentioned that most of the blonds you find in Brazil will not be true blonds. They will be what they call pharmaceutical blonds, meaning it's a dye job.

Lorenzo
03-06-08, 03:58
My Brothers, there is a reason why its called "the Good Old Days"!! Those days are gone forever and nothing will ever bring them back, just get used to it.
I'm not really clear what you think is gone forever. The basic attraction of Rio, at least from a mongering perspective (aside from its beauty and other attractions), has been luscious girls (if you look for them) providing GFE at bargain prices (compared to the US or Western Europe). The only thing that's gone is the low prices; I now consider Rio expensive (but still much less so that US/WE). But who is to say that the low prices won't be back. The increased prices are largely dur to a lousy exchange rate. Very few people can predict currency fluctuations, just as you can't predict the stock market. Who knows, maybe some day we'll be back to 4 reais to a dollar as it was in 2002. Probably not, but it's not impossible.

L

Exec Talent
03-06-08, 10:01
I'm not really clear what you think is gone forever. The basic attraction of Rio, at least from a mongering perspective (aside from its beauty and other attractions), has been luscious girls (if you look for them) providing GFE at bargain prices (compared to the US or Western Europe). The only thing that's gone is the low prices; I now consider Rio expensive (but still much less so that US/WE). But who is to say that the low prices won't be back. The increased prices are largely dur to a lousy exchange rate. Very few people can predict currency fluctuations, just as you can't predict the stock market. Who knows, maybe some day we'll be back to 4 reais to a dollar as it was in 2002. Probably not, but it's not impossible.

L

Having spent a lot of time in Rio over the last 8 years, I have to disagree about the luscious girls, especially in the termases. You will find plenty of 6-7s, but luscious, no. Many of the former luscious Rio termas girls are now working throughout Europe where they can make much more money with less effort. Guys who think differently are just kidding themselves. However, there still are plenty of luscious girls, just not working as GDPs.

As for the US, even in the P4P market, there still are a lot of luscious girls. Factor in all the costs of going to Rio and you will conclude that it not only is no longer a value destination, but also it is not a high quality experience destination.

Update: I think people who are not on the ground in Rio right now and basing there opinions on the past, need to come to Rio again before stating an opinion. I see a lot of guys here over and over again and am hearing how many of them are reevaluating Rio as a travel destination.

Lorenzo
03-06-08, 21:49
...As for the US, even in the P4P market, there still are a lot of luscious girls.....
True, but you'll pay through the nose for them, and then some, and it's very unlikely you'll have a GFE. If a US P4P girl is indeed luscious, she's probably also a haughty queen who thinks she's doing you a favor by giving you the time of day, probably won't kiss at all, let alone DFK. And then you'll have to deal with the problems of LE. In the one state where P4P is legal, Nevada, the last time I went to a brothel in the Reno area the girls routinely started by asking for $500 for a half hour and $1000 for an hour. Of course you can bargain them down, but you'll end up paying a lot of money for a shitty experience. And if you want a true GFE, you'll be paying in the four figures. Not worth it. I have been avoiding P4P in the US for years. There's a reason Jackson calls it "sex prison."

Admittedly, the last time I was in Rio was August 2006, but there were still plenty of luscious girls available then. I had two of them back to back at L'uomo, one later came to my hotel, and I had another at 4x4. But who knows, maybe things have changed in 19 months and they've all split for Europe. Even then I thought Rio was very expensive, which is why I haven't been back; I used to come to Rio 2-3 times a year in the early years of this decade. Lately I've been going to the cut rate brothels in El Salvador while I wait for the exchange rate to improve. I may be waiting a long time.

L

Combo
03-07-08, 02:31
Lorenzo,

The expensive prices in Rio aren't merely a result of a lousy exchange rate. It's a bit more complicated than that. For perspective, when I first went to Rio in February 2000, the exchange rate was right about where it is now. However mongering costs were dramatically lower.

The problem came in 2002/2003. The Real was getting absolutely pummeled with fears that Lula would get in power and print enough Reis to cause hyperinflation. At this same time, because of internet sites like this (plus publicity from Howard Stern and Snoop Dogg), men from the U. S. Flooded into Rio looking for pussy. Partly because the exchange rate was so favorable, these new mongers threw way too much money at the garotas (Hey, it seemed like play money back then). Over a few years, the going rate at Help and other mongering venues adjusted upward in response to this increased demand. (interestingly, Rio mongering venues that aren't frequented by foreigners have not experienced as much price inflation).

Unfortunately, now that the exchange rate has returned to more "normal" levels, the prices in Real aren't adjusting back down.

Don't get me wrong. Our Central Bank is injecting way too much liquidity (ie dollars) into the system and this is hurting the value of the US$ vs. The Real and many other currencies. My point is that that doesn't tell the whole story as to why mongering has gotten so expensive in Rio.

Lucky19
03-07-08, 04:20
Just a very, very, minor point here in this discussion. : bcause the United States market was brought up.- the past two weeks in a row I have had Girlfirend experiences. The latter from a I would say from a level 8 blonde, and this past Saturday from a solid 7 brunette (italian). The blonde took $160 the brunette took $130. Working out of a club setting. Both very passionate, hot kissing, and all that good stuff. My point here is only that they both said (due to recession, economic slowdown or whatever you wantta call it) business has been very slow for them and on occassion they have had to lower their normal $200/$250ish required donation to make ends meet. Under normal circumstances I WOULD NEVER get a session with these hot ladies due to high cost with no GFE or they might even be refusing clients. Quite frankly any peppered American monger knows for a really hot white working girl female you're spending btwn $200-$350 or any ethnic background for that matter. PSE btwn. $300-$500. So to be able to get a hot U. S. Working girl for anywhere in the $1-200. 00 dollar range is really a great bargain. So yeah, right now I'm not gonna cancel my trip to Rio for July this year, but absolutely everyday I think (under the circumstances right now), do I really wanna go to brazil and drop 5, 6, 7 grand, afterall I have it. Or. Do I want to cancel the trip and purchase a 63" plasma, or pay 7 months worth of my car payments in advance. Or by two-hundred and fifty share of the visa ipo when its launched. These are tough questions for an american monger to discern, wheras my sense and what I seem to be drawing from more recent negative posts on brazil, Rio de janeiro in particular is that that old sense of gung hoedness of I must go to RJ at all costs even if I don't pay any of my bills are those guys even when the exchange rate was good had just enough money to get down there and maybe a couple hundred dollars for petty cash but had to go down there to just be part of the chaos is simply put gone now, and the global P4P market has inched up and is right on brazil's heels. Anyway, for me its still the atmosphere and the passion of the brazil girl's; but with cost now there is a sense of do I really wantta do this.

MHO

Dp Gumbypgh
03-07-08, 04:58
Speaking of Termas

I went to a Termas the other night quite close to Help, It was close to an intersection. It was #22 you go up stairs, about a dozen negra/mulatta garotas.
10 Real cover gets you 3 Skol. I think Ipaid 55 Real for a 30 minute program
( regular sex and A BBBJ , and I came in her mouth , but she was married so she wouldn't let me kiss her LOL , )

Once I sobered up I can't find the place. Anyone know it?The terma #22 is on Siqueiros Campos, one block in from Avenida Atlantica.

It is above the bar on the first corner on right hand side. Entrance is on Praca Serzedelo Correa right next to the bar.

Its one of my favourite places when I am in Rio

George90
03-07-08, 06:00
The expensive prices in Rio aren't merely a result of a lousy exchange rate. It's a bit more complicated than that. For perspective, when I first went to Rio in February 2000, the exchange rate was right about where it is now. However mongering costs were dramatically lower.

I agree. My first trip was in 1999 when the exchange rate was 1 USD = 1.80 BRR. In the northeast, I was able to get a good-looking garota (8.5-9) all night with anal for R$150.

Smokers Rule
03-07-08, 06:21
And this experience now should cost R200-R250? If so, that's not much inflation if you ask me.

Madd Love
03-08-08, 01:34
Just a very, very, minor point here in this discussion. : bcause the United States market was brought up.- the past two weeks in a row I have had Girlfirend experiences. The latter from a I would say from a level 8 blonde, and this past Saturday from a solid 7 brunette (italian). The blonde took $160 the brunette took $130. Working out of a club setting. Both very passionate, hot kissing, and all that good stuff. My point here is only that they both said (due to recession, economic slowdown or whatever you wantta call it) business has been very slow for them and on occassion they have had to lower their normal $200/$250ish required donation to make ends meet. Under normal circumstances I WOULD NEVER get a session with these hot ladies due to high cost with no GFE or they might even be refusing clients. Quite frankly any peppered American monger knows for a really hot white working girl female you're spending btwn $200-$350 or any ethnic background for that matter. PSE btwn. $300-$500. So to be able to get a hot U. S. Working girl for anywhere in the $1-200. 00 dollar range is really a great bargain. So yeah, right now I'm not gonna cancel my trip to Rio for July this year, but absolutely everyday I think (under the circumstances right now), do I really wanna go to brazil and drop 5, 6, 7 grand, afterall I have it. Or. Do I want to cancel the trip and purchase a 63" plasma, or pay 7 months worth of my car payments in advance. Or by two-hundred and fifty share of the visa ipo when its launched. These are tough questions for an american monger to discern, wheras my sense and what I seem to be drawing from more recent negative posts on brazil, Rio de janeiro in particular is that that old sense of gung hoedness of I must go to RJ at all costs even if I don't pay any of my bills are those guys even when the exchange rate was good had just enough money to get down there and maybe a couple hundred dollars for petty cash but had to go down there to just be part of the chaos is simply put gone now, and the global P4P market has inched up and is right on brazil's heels. Anyway, for me its still the atmosphere and the passion of the brazil girl's; but with cost now there is a sense of do I really wantta do this.

MHO


I like how you put it.Any monger can buy a new plasma, payment on a car etc... or go monger in rio and 5 or 6 G's. Tough choice.........I have been reading a lot of post here on the U.S and I expect things to worsen in the U.S and also in Europe. This week Europe left its interest rate unchange which is keeping the Euro high but also it is experiencing deflation, a lot of jobs in Europe have been slash due to a strong currency, over in the U.S , the U.S is experiencing housing problems and the dollar fell to a record this week. Right now I am not sure what will play out in the next few months to a year, but both the U.S and Europe are in trouble. BMW in Europe announced 5,600 layoffs 8% of the workforce.An artical in the Tribune said 2007 Spain built almost 750,000 homes more than Germany & France combine with demand about 60% of what was built. Spanish household wealth tied up in property is E521 Billion or 509% of GDP as in the U.S only 17.20 trillion was tied up 159% of GDP and home prices in spain are due to fall 20% or more. Air Lufthansa, Air France, Porshe are experiencing difficulty Europe could see a hard recession if it does not cut interest rates. The U.S is already in trouble. So to monger in Rio may come down to the GDP's lowering their rates hopefully if tourism slows, because I doubt I will head back if the dollar keeps getting lower, I will just go to other south American countries where the exchange rates are favorable. Maybe if tourism slows and the Brazilian Real gets too strong they will devalue the currency.

Veterano
03-08-08, 02:07
I read on the El Globo web site that out of concern about their BFE monger clients and gringo economic difficulties due to the plunging US Dollar that the Help GDPs have banded together to cap all Help TLN charges at 75 Reals!

Also it said that 4X4 and other top tier Termas have reduced prices and are offering second 40 mins in cabina w/GDP free!

I thought the posters on this board were in denial, but maybe they are right and things are turning around at last! Is there anybody on the ground that can confirm the forgoing?

Suerte, Veterano

Smokers Rule
03-08-08, 04:39
Haha right...


I read on the El Globo web site that out of concern about their BFE monger clients and gringo economic difficulties due to the plunging US Dollar that the Help GDPs have banded together to cap all Help TLN charges at 75 Reals!

Also it said that 4X4 and other top tier Termas have reduced prices and are offering second 40 mins in cabina w/GDP free!

I thought the posters on this board were in denial, but maybe they are right and things are turning around at last! Is there anybody on the ground that can confirm the forgoing?

Suerte, Veterano

Dub624
03-08-08, 05:39
I like how you put it.Any monger can buy a new plasma, payment on a car etc... or go monger in rio and 5 or 6 G's. Tough choice.........I have been reading a lot of post here on the U.S and I expect things to worsen in the U.S and also in Europe. This week Europe left its interest rate unchange which is keeping the Euro high but also it is experiencing deflation, a lot of jobs in Europe have been slash due to a strong currency, over in the U.S , the U.S is experiencing housing problems and the dollar fell to a record this week. Right now I am not sure what will play out in the next few months to a year, but both the U.S and Europe are in trouble. BMW in Europe announced 5,600 layoffs 8% of the workforce.An artical in the Tribune said 2007 Spain built almost 750,000 homes more than Germany & France combine with demand about 60% of what was built. Spanish household wealth tied up in property is E521 Billion or 509% of GDP as in the U.S only 17.20 trillion was tied up 159% of GDP and home prices in spain are due to fall 20% or more. Air Lufthansa, Air France, Porshe are experiencing difficulty Europe could see a hard recession if it does not cut interest rates. The U.S is already in trouble. So to monger in Rio may come down to the GDP's lowering their rates hopefully if tourism slows, because I doubt I will head back if the dollar keeps getting lower, I will just go to other south American countries where the exchange rates are favorable. Maybe if tourism slows and the Brazilian Real gets too strong they will devalue the currency.Guys, stay away from the plasmas. Get and LCD. They last longer. Plasmas will soon be discontinued.

Sprite13
03-08-08, 07:20
thank goodness i don't go to help . . .

my average costs . . .

transport for the day abour r5
food for the day about 15r or less
drinks 10r
drinks or small pressie for a girl 5r
apartment 55r (admittedly this is a bit cheap)
quickies with 3 different girls 3x20r = 60r
overnight (between 12 to 24hrs) with girl who works help but who i meet in nog and then phone when i need her (applies to several, not just one, and they are all 8's) 100r

total 250 real



as i don't always do 4 girls in a day it's not always as much as that, but then i'd probably spend the difference on the theatre or dancing.

i think i agree that rio is no longer the cheapo paradise for people who want to visit all the tourist places like helpee and barberellas. maybe they might consider some of the top european destinations instead. but if you are more used to mexico, or other third world places, it makes perfect sense.

for newbies (and help addicts) robertinrio's pricing is a good warning, but if you've followed the threads about vm, centro 1r a minute places, etc and think you can handle that, then nothing much has changed.

if you're planning your first trip to rio (and are not attracted by the fact that it's a fantastic destination even without the p4p), maybe ask - unless money is no object -which sort of gringo are you?

but i am biased - i go to brasil and especially rj cos, corny as it sounds, i love the place, its people, its culture. one can only do so much pussy a day and there are many places where that quantity is easy enough to obtain. rio is still the marvellous city afaiac. some of the girls can get carried away (knowing that some folk will pay silly prices at certain times in certain places) but there's always plenty of others. and i don't avoid solarium (or even help) because of price - it's just that there's other places i'd much rather be drinking and shagging.


btw - speaking porto is not an automatic entry card imo. i'm not suggesting anyone here is in such a category but i've seen plenty of loud-mouthed, high-spending gringos that speak 'perfect' porto but with zilch knowledge of how to behave like a carioca. they really stick out.

i guess i am one of those sad people that won't mind if places like help are consigned to history and 4xz4 becomes a purely american-style pussy theme park that provides the occasional entertainment in the form of an expensive, glittery and meaningless shag after drinking with your buddies and exchanging macho tales of how you gave it to so-and-so centaurus girl three times up the bottom or saying what a great job the locker room girl has cos she gets to see all the men naked. you can carry your credit-card filled designer wallet there without fear of theft, act like an ar*e and everyone will smile politely, and generally pretend that brasil is a 1st world country that thinks you are the dog's bo**ocks. and one of the nicest things about 4x4 is that it is only a few bus stops from vm, where people have to behave normally and politely, girls interact with much less pretense and only charge you 20r for the pleasure of parting their milky white freshly-showered thighs in the wall-to-wall bedlam of noise and smelly bathrooms . . .

i can get an expensive hooker in most countries (except america, where there are generally only astronomical hookers worth having). but i can get genuine, non-pimped, low-cost, back-to-basics girls in brasil. and if you don't agree, i am genuinely thrilled.


very well said indeed christopherd!
just one question to you: where is the apart at 55 reais a night. sounds interesting. tell us more please.

thanks.

Prosal
03-08-08, 11:27
Drinks 10R. Drinks for girls 5R.
Cheapstopherd

Those unreasonable but noble gestures of munificent generosity show the prodigal gentleman and carefree partyer you are !

Hats off to you. The most desirable and hottest Zona Sul patricinhas must be throwing themselves at your feet begging you to fuck them.

Do your measureless magnanimity brings you also to sometimes invite one of your lucky conquests to some of your "15 reals or less for the day" fine meals ?

:rolleyes:

Smokers Rule
03-08-08, 14:55
Somebody got a thesaurus for Christmas :)


Those unreasonable but noble gestures of munificent generosity show the prodigal gentleman you are !

Hats off to you. The most desirable meninas must be throwing themselves at your feet begging you to party with them and to fuck them.

Do your measureless magnanimity brings you to sometimes invite one of your lucky conquests to some of your "15 reals or less for the day" fine meals ?

:rolleyes:

Prosal
03-08-08, 15:00
Somebody got a thesaurus for Christmas :)
Yeah .. it helps .. here in the civilized world, speaking fluent english is (thankfully) not really our prime cultural priority. ;)

So soon the move from TJ and Boca Chica to Copacabana BTW ? .. impressive sense of adventure indeed.

:)

The E
03-08-08, 16:14
I have been checking on hotels and I am a little torn between which one I should pick.

1) Ceasar Park Ipanema

2) Excelsior Copacabana Hotel

I have read that Ipanema Beach is the upscale area of Rio with more shops and resturants. I also heard that Copacabana is a more middle to lower class area with higher crime and violence. Is there really that big of a difference between the two areas?

My trip will be 30% relaxing, 15% shopping, 40% hanging out in resturants/ bars/ clubs, and 15% whoring.

I'm looking for a whoring friendly upscale location that will allow me to be around the hot area.

Which hotel should I pick?

Sorry to bother you guys with this question, but it's not something I can ask my mom or female friends.. without giving them ALL the reasons and motives I have for looking for a place. And my dad just likes resorts in the middle of no where because he hates crowds.

And thanks for all of the advice given a couple of weeks ago. It's well noted.

Off Road
03-08-08, 16:50
I have been checking on hotels and I am a little torn between which one I should pick.

1) Ceasar Park Ipanema

2) Excelsior Copacabana Hotel

I have read that Ipanema Beach is the upscale area of Rio with more shops and resturants. I also heard that Copacabana is a more middle to lower class area with higher crime and violence. Is there really that big of a difference between the two areas?

My trip will be 30% relaxing, 15% shopping, 40% hanging out in resturants/ bars/ clubs, and 15% whoring.

I'm looking for a whoring friendly upscale location that will allow me to be around the hot area.

Which hotel should I pick?

Sorry to bother you guys with this question, but it's not something I can ask my mom or female friends.. without giving them ALL the reasons and motives I have for looking for a place. And my dad just likes resorts in the middle of no where because he hates crowds.

And thanks for all of the advice given a couple of weeks ago. It's well noted.Ipanema is much more upscale, there is more upscale shopping. From what you say pick Ceasar Park. It will cost you a lot more, but you will probably enjoy Ipanema. The *****ing will be in Copacabana, or there are termas in Ipanema, depends on what you want. The beaches in Ipanema have better looking people (IMHO) but not too many pros.

kbilly1690
03-08-08, 16:58
How much do the best looking girls charge in Help?

I was in Rio 7 years ago and went to some of the termas, they were great. Didn't go to Help :( What are discos are good? I will be in Rio next month for 5 days or so.

Cheers!

The E
03-08-08, 18:18
Ipanema is much more upscale, there is more upscale shopping. From what you say pick Ceasar Park. It will cost you a lot more, but you will probably enjoy Ipanema. The *****ing will be in Copacabana, or there are termas in Ipanema, depends on what you want. The beaches in Ipanema have better looking people (IMHO) but not too many pros.

Thanks. Are you familiar with Ceasar Park? Can I bring in outside guest there? Also, better looking people on the beach is also a plus. So I guess that Ipanema is the equivilent of South Beach in Miami. The beautiful women go to the place where they think that the rich men are. Makes perfect sense. I think that I will stay there and explore the other areas once I get there. Sometimes it's good not to stay in the same area that you do dirt in.

Bravo
03-08-08, 18:43
How much do the best looking girls charge in Help?

I was in Rio 7 years ago and went to some of the termas, they were great. Didn't go to Help :( What are discos are good? I will be in Rio next month for 5 days or so.

Cheers!

Depends on what your definition of "best looking girls" is. Like I said before, if your the type of monger who goes to Rio, to session with a "white girl looking brasilian" (ie: Blond hair, blue eyes, fake tits) Then plan on hearing 5-600R a night asking prices.

George90
03-08-08, 18:50
This week Europe left its interest rate unchange which is keeping the Euro high but also it is experiencing deflation, a lot of jobs in Europe have been slash due to a strong currency, over in the U.S , the U.S is experiencing housing problems and the dollar fell to a record this week. Right now I am not sure what will play out in the next few months to a year, but both the U.S and Europe are in trouble. BMW in Europe announced 5,600 layoffs 8% of the workforce.An artical in the Tribune said 2007 Spain built almost 750,000 homes more than Germany & France combine with demand about 60% of what was built. Spanish household wealth tied up in property is E521 Billion or 509% of GDP as in the U.S only 17.20 trillion was tied up 159% of GDP and home prices in spain are due to fall 20% or more. Air Lufthansa, Air France, Porshe are experiencing difficulty Europe could see a hard recession if it does not cut interest rates.

Europe's economic woes are the consequence of our problems. As we import less, those countries with which we have trade deficits, such as China and European countries will suffer. BMW sells its cars to us. As we slow our purchases of BMW cars, of course they will cut production and lay off workers. The airlines are hurting because of high fuel price and less passengers across the Atlantic. Remember that our brilliant INS/ICE make it difficult for Europeans to vacation here and spend money. Florida barely rebounded this winter with foreign tourists. The hassles with immigration and customs cancelsedout the benefits of the low dollar.

The European Central Bank (ECB) is NOT going to cut interest rates anytime soon. They have made that clear. One of the main reasons is that, despite some economic weakness in western Europe, Easter Europe is experiencing strong growth. It is benefitting form the oil in the region and the trade with China and India. Lower interest rates will stimulate that growth even more and cause inflation. Unlike our Fed, the ECB has said stable prices are a higher priority that full emploment.

I feel the combination of a US recession and slower European growth will force Brazil to lower the value of the real. If it doesn't then the Brazilian Central Bank is just sowing the seeds for a deep recession in 2010. I suspect that some wealthy Brazilians like the cheap imports that are experiencing now. All kinds of electronic goods and especially US real estate can be had for a song. But in 2009 when China stops buying its raw materials, Brazil will be up the economic creek.

Lorenzo
03-08-08, 19:54
Thanks. Are you familiar with Ceasar Park? Can I bring in outside guest there?
I stayed there once and loved it, but I had a special rate which no longer exists. It is a wonderful hotel in a great location, but I'm sure it is now very expensive, so stay there only if price is not an issue.

Regarding your second question: I did bring a GDP up to my room once, and there was no problem. However, it was in the daytime and she looked "normal." She was actually a L'uomo girl who gave me her cell phone number. I arranged to meet her in the bar, and then we nonchalantly took the elevator up to my room. No problem.

I have posted before on getting girls into upscale hotels, but the key factors are these:

--By far the most important factor is that she not look like a prostitute, i.e., that she look "normal." If they even suspect that she's a pro, you won't get anywhere near the elevator.

--You are much more likely to be successful if you try to get her in during the day, when they are much more likely to be busy with people checking out and checking in. At night some hotels have a security person by the elevator stopping anyone not registered from getting on. I don't recall this being done at Caesar Park.

--If you bring the girl back, as opposed to meeting her there, it's better to go first to a bar or restaurant, which is often on a different floor. You can then just turn around and get on the elevator.

--The following works at the Sheraton, but I don't know if it works at Caesar Park: reserve the room for two people. Then they don't care who you bring up to the room as long as she registers and they know who she is. You can also bring a different girl on different nights. However, the rule that she look "normal" still applies.

Hope this helps. Good luck.

L

Off Road
03-08-08, 23:17
Thanks. Are you familiar with Ceasar Park? Can I bring in outside guest there? Also, better looking people on the beach is also a plus. So I guess that Ipanema is the equivilent of South Beach in Miami. The beautiful women go to the place where they think that the rich men are. Makes perfect sense. I think that I will stay there and explore the other areas once I get there. Sometimes it's good not to stay in the same area that you do dirt in.Not familiar with their policy. sorry. give them a call, I am sure they speak english.

Prosal
03-08-08, 23:35
Ipanema
Don't venture on Ipanema Posto 8 portion of beach (Gay Farme), as in the whole area between Rua Farme de Amoedo and Rua Vinicius de Moraes.

Watch your ass (literally) there !!

The E
03-09-08, 00:09
Don't venture on Ipanema Posto 8 portion of beach (Gay Farme), as in the whole area between Rua Farme de Amoedo and Rua Vinicius de Moraes.

Watch your ass (literally) there !!

Really... that sucks. Sounds like the Ceasar is the hotel for me. It's not cheap, but you only live once and I don't know if I'm ever going back to Rio, I'm going to make it a trip of a life time!

I will make sure to post a lot of pictures and give some updates on the where abouts of all the action when I return.

Ardgneas
03-09-08, 01:58
Really... that sucks.Exactly, that's what he was trying to warn you about. ;)

If I wanted a decent hotel without the hassle on guests I'd consider the JW Marriott in Copa instead of Caesar Park. Either that or spent the $$ on renting a very nice apt. in Ipanema.

Off Road
03-09-08, 17:29
Exactly, that's what he was trying to warn you about. ;)

If I wanted a decent hotel without the hassle on guests I'd consider the JW Marriott in Copa instead of Caesar Park. Either that or spent the $$ on renting a very nice apt. in Ipanema.
I was going to recomend that to E also, especially if you do not speak Portuguese. JW is very gringo..

Brazilman
03-09-08, 20:14
What happened to all the talk of help closing in feb. blah blah. same ole talk. Help aints going anywhere.

Lucky19
03-10-08, 03:26
I have been checking on hotels and I am a little torn between which one I should pick.

1) Ceasar Park Ipanema

2) Excelsior Copacabana Hotel

I have read that Ipanema Beach is the upscale area of Rio with more shops and resturants. I also heard that Copacabana is a more middle to lower class area with higher crime and violence. Is there really that big of a difference between the two areas?

My trip will be 30% relaxing, 15% shopping, 40% hanging out in resturants/ bars/ clubs, and 15% whoring.

I'm looking for a whoring friendly upscale location that will allow me to be around the hot area.

Which hotel should I pick?

Sorry to bother you guys with this question, but it's not something I can ask my mom or female friends.. without giving them ALL the reasons and motives I have for looking for a place. And my dad just likes resorts in the middle of no where because he hates crowds.

And thanks for all of the advice given a couple of weeks ago. It's well noted. With all due respect The E you're making a big mistake

Okay, let's compare to Miami

Miami is South Beach

South Beach is about a twenty-block, some-odd long strip

That is where all the action takes place. If you are staying anywhere in that twenty-block zone you know what you are doing and will have no trouble obtaining company and getting them back to wherever it is that you are staying. Plus.- the Girls all feel comfortable, (relatively), to not have to go on some great big journey to possibly fuhk a guy. So to re-cap, North Beach in Miami has really nice condos as well with nice shops, sightseeing, resources for tourists, and a short distance to South Beach. But there's a reason why nobody stays in North Beach. You don't have to deal w/commuting everywhere; you don't have to commute to be in the heart of the action. Plus (this is another big one) you're basically out of the mix. You don't know what's going on! (ie.) You're in Copa bumping into Americans all day and everybody's been buzzing about how hot 4x4's been all week or L'uomo's or wherever.. Maybe it's even a bar in Ipanema people have been buzzing about for tonight and You were staying in Ipanema and decided to come to Copa that night. Honestly those simple points I just laid out is how must people ruin their whole experience and end up having a lousy trip. You gotta be in the mix, (IMHO), period. And that's Copa. Yeah, Ipanema is nice, but who cares! You can always go to Ipanema when you need a change of pace. Besides, you can stay somewhere really nice in Copa as well for that matter and have a whole lot more fun.

Trust Me,

Good Luck

Lucky19
03-10-08, 03:31
Thanks. Are you familiar with Ceasar Park? Can I bring in outside guest there? Also, better looking people on the beach is also a plus. So I guess that Ipanema is the equivilent of South Beach in Miami. The beautiful women go to the place where they think that the rich men are. Makes perfect sense. I think that I will stay there and explore the other areas once I get there. Sometimes it's good not to stay in the same area that you do dirt in. Besides, I think you should get and stay in an apt. Anyway. Its a sexier look and gives you more of an individual and adult feeling, which is not always easy to get in a foreign country. Just my opinion, you'll make your own decision.

Exec Talent
03-10-08, 03:42
What happened to all the talk of help closing in feb. blah blah. same ole talk. Help aints going anywhere.

Listen to the guy who takes care of the men's room and confirm it with a reliable source. That is what I did and reported exactly that some time ago.

Do I think Help is going to close. Sure, I do. I also believe that the exchange will take a turn in the opposite direction. However, I need a little more data to determine exactly when. As for Help, guess I need to make another trip to the men's room.

Jan 156
03-10-08, 11:25
It's a matter of personal preference but here's some of the differences that I feel.

The biggest one - unless you intend to stay in your local area (Ipa and Copa), is that Ipa is further away and has no Metro (the 'Ipanema' metro stop is actually in the Ipa end of Copa). So if you want to travel to Centro (or Botafogo, or Sugar Loaf or a host of other good destinations) it is further in terms of time, money and convenience. If you are travelling non-rush hour, especially evening, and always use taxis, it's not a big add-on. But if you want to get about during the day you have the choice of going the full length of Copa before going on anywhere or going round Lagoa the other (often traffic-jammed) way. If it's your first trip, you have limited time, and are happy with a couple of upmarket termas, the beach and maybe a trip to the Botanics (which is worth a trip btw), or Help if it stays open, Ipa a nicer environment and will maybe satisfy. Anything further and most places are more hassle from Ipa. (A few, like Barra, are marginally closer but it is so marginal I don't really think it's a factor).

Ipa is a more westerner-friendly environment in many ways. There are more good quality shops. Good quality restaurants. More people that speak a bit of English. The streets are clean and you can easily feel at home in a reasonably posh neighbourhood. The idea that there is much less crime might be illusory and you should still be very careful with belongings. The beach is slightly better looking than Copa. There are more catwalk model types about and less hooker types or lower-middle-class types on it. You'll probably pay slightly more for everything of course.

Copa is gringo central, even if it is still a fair trip into town ('Centro'). People will usually speak enough English to try to overcharge you but cheap restaurants and eating places are very plentiful. You can find all your essentials, beachwear, day clothing, groceries, launderettes, 24-hour chemists, mid-range knock-shops, travel agents, tour guides and cambios, and anything else you forget to get earlier, all on the long main street called N.S. Copacabana. You also have access to the 100% safe high-tech Metro via three stations. Buses are frequent and there is an excellent, official Tourist Information Centre to answer any non-mongering question you have in English. I don't know the figures or reliability of them, but if it isn't less safe than Ipa it feels it as there is more visible low-life around, but it is still an exciting metropolis and one that can be navigated safely by the sensible traveller.

Spinnerman
03-10-08, 12:06
Good analysis Christpherd.

I have been to Rio many times and I am finally moving there permanently on May 7th.

I usually stay in an apt in Copa, cause that's where the party is. This time however I have arranged a long term month to month rental in Ipanema. I also plan to buy a Cobertura in Ipanema. (no rush I want to see how the world credit crunch plays out) There will be a metro in Ipanema soon (work is actually ongoing) and for now you can take the Metro bus which hooks you up to the Metro at no extra charge.

Why am I going to live in Ipanema when most of the action is in Copa?

Apart from the reasons you gave. I do feel safer late at night in Ipanema. Perhaps it is an illusion. Meeting non working girls or working girls who want a relationship, Ipanema is a MUCH better address to have.

Also better to have a bit of distance between where you live and where you monger. I always take a new girl to an hourly hotel like Casa Linda first. To make sure she's relatively calma. Cuts down on the 4 am puta screaming match which so endears one to one's neighbours. Less likely to get stalked by someone if they are in Copa and you are in Ipanema.

I'll have a bicycle and Ipanema is a very quick peddle. (I won't try going to Help with my bike and asking the GDP for a bike ride home) to Copa.

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Bottom line if I go to Rio for a three week mongerfest, I stay in a Copa apartment. If I go to live I live in Ipanema

American Warrior
03-10-08, 16:27
The E

I believe you will be making a mistake staying in that hotel if you want different company in the room with you

Bravo
03-10-08, 16:46
Where is the Official Tourist Information Centre ? Ive never seen it.

Exec Talent
03-10-08, 17:49
Where is the Official Tourist Information Centre ? Ive never seen it.

The one I visit is at Av. Princesa Isabel, 183. The staff is great and very helpful.

Another is at Praca Pio X, 119 - 9th Floor in Centro.

www.riodejaneiro-turismo.com.br

Dollars
03-11-08, 12:27
I'm heading to Rio next week Friday. Since Friday will be Good Friday and Sunday will be Easter Sunday, I'm worried Rio will be a ghost town.

Will 4x4 be open on Friday? What about L'Uomo & Monte Carlo on Saturday?

Thanks

kbilly1690
03-11-08, 13:52
Heres a list of some of the escort services I have been looking at. Do any of you know how much these women charge? For how long? Recommend these sites? or other sites?

http://www.milfaces.com/ensaios/Principal.htm

http://www.viprj.com.br/index1.php

http://www.riosexsite.net/index_frame.asp?p=garotacarioca

http://www.hotside.com.br/app/site/capa/

Jesuscola
03-11-08, 14:00
I'm heading to Rio next week Friday. Since Friday will be Good Friday and Sunday will be Easter Sunday, I'm worried Rio will be a ghost town.

Will 4x4 be open on Friday? What about L'Uomo & Monte Carlo on Saturday?

Thanks

4x4 and everything else will be closed on Good Friday. L'uomo and MC will be open Saturday. L'uomo for certain will be open Sunday, and I would bet on MC this year as well.

The Chief
03-11-08, 16:27
Don't venture on Ipanema Posto 8 portion of beach (Gay Farme), as in the whole area between Rua Farme de Amoedo and Rua Vinicius de Moraes.

Watch your ass (literally) there !!Haha, the apartment I have rented is on R Joaquim Nabuco, so I guess I better keep walking (quickly) past Posto 8 towards 9!

The Chief
03-11-08, 16:56
I'm heading to Rio in late-April for the first time (as well as a hundred other destinations!), and I am pathetically under-researched, but thanks to everyone on the Board who post good info.

Dollars
03-11-08, 18:22
4x4 and everything else will be closed on Good Friday. L'uomo and MC will be open Saturday. L'uomo for certain will be open Sunday, and I would bet on MC this year as well.Which termas will be open on Friday?

Abzsafado
03-12-08, 12:30
It's a matter of personal preference but here's some of the differences that I feel.

The biggest one - unless you intend to stay in your local area (Ipa and Copa), is that Ipa is further away and has no Metro (the 'Ipanema' metro stop is actually in the Ipa end of Copa). So if you want to travel to Centro (or Botafogo, or Sugar Loaf or a host of other good destinations) it is further in terms of time, money and convenience. If you are travelling non-rush hour, especially evening, and always use taxis, it's not a big add-on. But if you want to get about during the day you have the choice of going the full length of Copa before going on anywhere or going round Lagoa the other (often traffic-jammed) way. If it's your first trip, you have limited time, and are happy with a couple of upmarket termas, the beach and maybe a trip to the Botanics (which is worth a trip btw), or Help if it stays open, Ipa a nicer environment and will maybe satisfy. Anything further and most places are more hassle from Ipa. (A few, like Barra, are marginally closer but it is so marginal I don't really think it's a factor).

Ipa is a more westerner-friendly environment in many ways. There are more good quality shops. Good quality restaurants. More people that speak a bit of English. The streets are clean and you can easily feel at home in a reasonably posh neighbourhood. The idea that there is much less crime might be illusory and you should still be very careful with belongings. The beach is slightly better looking than Copa. There are more catwalk model types about and less hooker types or lower-middle-class types on it. You'll probably pay slightly more for everything of course.

Copa is gringo central, even if it is still a fair trip into town ('Centro'). People will usually speak enough English to try to overcharge you but cheap restaurants and eating places are very plentiful. You can find all your essentials, beachwear, day clothing, groceries, launderettes, 24-hour chemists, mid-range knock-shops, travel agents, tour guides and cambios, and anything else you forget to get earlier, all on the long main street called N.S. Copacabana. You also have access to the 100% safe high-tech Metro via three stations. Buses are frequent and there is an excellent, official Tourist Information Centre to answer any non-mongering question you have in English. I don't know the figures or reliability of them, but if it isn't less safe than Ipa it feels it as there is more visible low-life around, but it is still an exciting metropolis and one that can be navigated safely by the sensible traveller.
There is always the third way. Stay in Apraodor or the corner of Lagoa between Ipanema and Copa. Both are full of girl friendly apart-hotels that give far better value for money than the big hotels. Apraodor is closer to the beach and Centaurus, Lagoa is better for the Cantagalo metro and Ipanema nightlife.

Jesuscola
03-12-08, 12:34
Which termas will be open on Friday?

None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Porra nenhuma.

Prosal
03-12-08, 12:43
Apraodor is closer to the beach. Stay in the corner of Lagoa between Ipanema and Copa.
So Arpoador (and not Apraodor) is closer to the beach than Lagoa. Astonishing. Thanks for the crucial info. Please keep posting about Rio's topography.

BTW "the corner of Lagoa between Ipanema and Copacabana" is from what I know Pavao-Pavaozinho (correct me if I'm wrong).

Highly enjoyable area to stay indeed. I should be surprised if there was some apart-hotels there yet. ;)

Chenz24
03-12-08, 15:32
What an idoit Govener Spitzer on New York could of had like 20 to 25 trips to Four by Four for what he spent on Kristen the hooker.

Papi Que Rico
03-12-08, 21:42
What an idoit Govener Spitzer on New York could of had like 20 to 25 trips to Four by Four for what he spent on Kristen the hooker.

And she clearly did not offer BBBJs :) !

Rio Bob
03-12-08, 21:47
And she clearly did not offer BBBJs :) !

Not true, at that price he was getting bare back sex.

Exec Talent
03-13-08, 11:46
For everyone wondering about Help closing, maybe you should also wonder about L'uomo.

Even on what should be the busiest nights they have no customers. Employees tell me they are not getting paid on time. They have a lot of fixed costs, including what they have to pay the police just to stay open. Miss one of those payments and see how long they stay open. Difficult to make it on 10 guys a night.

Most of the top girls have left. Ingrid is supposed to be on vacation, but she has been gone for sometime. Lately I have seen several guys come in, stay for about 1/2 hour, not session, get dressed and leave.

Trippleecks
03-13-08, 12:52
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html

IMHO not worth $4,300. maybe 300.-400.reais :)

Bravo
03-13-08, 17:55
For everyone wondering about Help closing, maybe you should also wonder about L'uomo.

Even on what should be the busiest nights they have no customers. Employees tell me they are not getting paid on time. They have a lot of fixed costs, including what they have to pay the police just to stay open. Miss one of those payments and see how long they stay open. Difficult to make it on 10 guys a night.

Most of the top girls have left. Ingrid is supposed to be on vacation, but she has been gone for sometime. Lately I have seen several guys come in, stay for about 1/2 hour, not session, get dressed and leave.

I am not surprised. How much is it to session in there now? Around 300R?
Probably only a matter of time before MC has the same problem.

Tjmee
03-13-08, 22:53
I was just wondering, would speaking English there be a problem or must you know Portuguese. And where would you want to live Rio or Ipanema, and which city has a better night life.

Lazy Monger
03-14-08, 02:38
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html

IMHO not worth $4,300. maybe 300.-400.reais :)Its all relative. If you had $4300 to blow on that then you wouldn't need to go to Brazil to spend 300-400R.

Travel Fox
03-14-08, 03:06
Im sure they will go quick.

NYC GIG

Orbitz
Delta/GOL or TAM

LOOKS LIKE ONLY THE TAM OPTION IS BOOKABLE HOWEVER.

Dates for 5/23 - 5/31 roundtrip worked which is Fri departure and Sat return. Sweet ticket, and I already bought mine last month for $230 more *tears*.

$698

Should get full miles at least between NYC and Sao Paulo but I have not verified that.

Might be other combinations at that price but those days I have checked only.

Hopefully someone can take advantage.

Travelfox

Bizzie
03-14-08, 03:21
Not true, at that price he was getting bare back sex.

Asking but not getting:)

Off Road
03-14-08, 14:32
I was just wondering, would speaking English there be a problem or must you know Portuguese. And where would you want to live Rio or Ipanema, and which city has a better night life.Ipanema is part of the city of Rio de Janeiro and in the state of Rio de Janeiro. If you are moving here portuguese is more or less mandatory. If you want to move to Ipanema a small apartment will run you about R$400k and you more or less have to pay 100% (so that is about $250K us dollars). Condo fees and utilities will run you about R$1000 a month (gas, electricity, cable, phone, internet and condo).

Spinnerman
03-14-08, 16:04
Ipanema is part of the city of Rio de Janeiro and in the state of Rio de Janeiro. If you are moving here portuguese is more or less mandatory. If you want to move to Ipanema a small apartment will run you about R$400k and you more or less have to pay 100% (so that is about $250K us dollars). Condo fees and utilities will run you about R$1000 a month (gas, electricity, cable, phone, internet and condo).If you have Permanent Residence Visa, Banks will lend. HSBC has quoted me that they will lend 60% of the value of the property. I hear Banco Santander is good also.

Off Road
03-14-08, 17:58
If you have Permanent Residence Visa, Banks will lend. HSBC has quoted me that they will lend 60% of the value of the property. I hear Banco Santander is good also.And what is the interest rate? guess that was what I was meaning, not practical.

Sky Ryder
03-14-08, 22:21
Hello All!

Well I am in Rio at this time, and what a drag! It is raining and there is no one on the beach. I think I have a good plan for tonight.....which as usual includes a trip to Help. I have to leave tomorrow evening and was hoping that someone might have a good suggestion for how to find a "one for the road" GDP on a rainy Saturday afternoon, as it looks like it might rain tomorrow as well.
I think that most of the massage palors in Centro are closed on Saturday's and I don't think there will be much going on "Ho Beach".
Thanks to all in advance!
I will make sure to post on how it all turns out!

Sky

Jan 156
03-15-08, 01:01
Hello All!

I have to leave tomorrow evening and was hoping that someone might have a good suggestion for how to find a "one for the road" GDP on a rainy Saturday afternoon, as it looks like it might rain tomorrow as well.
I think that most of the massage palors in Centro are closed on Saturday's and I don't think there will be much going on "Ho Beach".
Thanks to all in advance!
I will make sure to post on how it all turns out!

Sky


Some but not all Centro parlours shut (the cheap ones). You are best going between 11am and 3pm, but pickings might be slim. Just do a quick tour (Carioca-Uru-BA then back to the Metro). VM would probably have a better choice but I know what you mean if the weather's bad. It's nice to be able to grab a hot shower somewhere else after you've dodged muddy potholes and dripping roofs. :-)

Hope you find something.

Pana Nyc
03-15-08, 18:28
Hello All!

Well I am in Rio at this time, and what a drag! It is raining and there is no one on the beach. I think I have a good plan for tonight.....which as usual includes a trip to Help. I have to leave tomorrow evening and was hoping that someone might have a good suggestion for how to find a "one for the road" GDP on a rainy Saturday afternoon, as it looks like it might rain tomorrow as well.
I think that most of the massage palors in Centro are closed on Saturday's and I don't think there will be much going on "Ho Beach".
Thanks to all in advance!
I will make sure to post on how it all turns out!

Sky
Go to a Terma guy Monte Carlo, Solarium, and L'uomos are open I will be in one of these places in 3 hours.....lol

Sky Ryder
03-15-08, 21:07
Well, it was good while it lasted..almost. I was going to go to the beach yesterday, but it rained all day. Last night we went to Carretao for dinner and then about 11:00 pm went to Help. I always enjoy just going in before the price increase and then watching the show begin. There were a ton of gals there last night, with most in the 6-7 range and a couple of 8's didn't really see anything more than that. I ran into a gal I had pulled out a couple of months ago, that was really cute. She just never seems to get into the program, she says all the right things, but when it comes down to it she doesnt' think she should have to do the work and the money is never enough. She asked me to buy her a drink which I did, because I knew I could get her for a reasonable price, and it was a good way to begin the evening. I told here I wasn't going to leave now, but if she didn't get another offer and if I didn't find anyone we would go out for the night. I think she was a little pissed, because she doesn't really enjoy the game, but knew that she a had a good chance of gettting paid somehow last night.
With that I knew what my bottom line was going to be. I saw a really good looking brunette and wanted to talk to her, but it was early and I wanted to see what else happened. This girl had a classy look about her plus a smokin' hot body. She wasn't a spinner, but put together. Her name is Flavia and she is from Belo Horizonte. She said she is a theater student and wants to be an actress. I suspect she has the assets, but who knows. I waited about 30 mins and called her over, we went upstairs to talk. I bought her a drink and she wanted scotch on the rocks. A girl after my heart! She spoke good Spanish, so we could actually have a conversation. After about thirty mins. I got around to the price. She wanted 500R for TLN. I told here it was more than I would spend. She asked how much and I said 250R, she said no, and we parted company. As I walked around I saw her look at me a few times with a little smile and I admit that I kept tabs on her progress. She talked to a couple of guys, but nothing, so I called her over and told her that if she would stay until the afternoon I would go for 300R, she countered with 400R and I told her I just couldn't. Our paths diverged again. I talked with probably the hottest girl in the place and she wanted 600R and couldn't spend the night. I told her I didn't want to own the thing, just rent it. I don't think she found it as funny as I did. I talked to a couple more gals, one was with a friend and she said she usually works at Barbella, but it was dead. I asked her why she worked there and she said the money was better. This gal was cute, but no raving beauty and wanted 350R for a short time. I then found a real cutie, she said she is 19 and only has been working for 2 weeks, she had a twin sister and a couson with her. I would have taken her in a heartbeat, but she wanted 500R for 2 hours and wouldn't budge. I was about to go and get the "stand-by" when I saw her leave with someone. She waved discretely as she left. I saw the "actress" talking to a couple to a couple of guys, never saw her leave, but didn't see her again. It was getting late and I was losing my enthusiasm, so I thought once more around the track and then see what was outside. I ran into a really cute little spinner with a sweet smile and a nice figure, but she was probably into heer thirties. She gave the impression of one who tries really hard to please, because she knows the younger girls have something she doesn't......youth. My experience is these gals can be quite a good time and aren't in a big hurry. She asked for 200R for TLN and accepted 150R. Back to the hotel we go.

JohnnyBraz
03-16-08, 00:36
Well, it was good while it lasted. Almost. I was going to go to the beach yesterday, but it rained all day. Last night we went to Carretao for dinner and then about 11:00 pm went to Help. I always enjoy just going in before the price increase and then watching the show begin. There were a ton of gals there last night, with most in the 6-7 range and a couple of 8's didn't really see anything more than that. I ran into a gal I had pulled out a couple of months ago, that was really cute. She just never seems to get into the program, she says all the right things, but when it comes down to it she doesnt' think she should have to do the work and the money is never enough. She asked me to buy her a drink which I did, because I knew I could get her for a reasonable price, and it was a good way to begin the evening. I told here I wasn't going to leave now, but if she didn't get another offer and if I didn't find anyone we would go out for the night. I think she was a little pissed, because she doesn't really enjoy the game, but knew that she a had a good chance of gettting paid somehow last night.

With that I knew what my bottom line was going to be. I saw a really good looking brunette and wanted to talk to her, but it was early and I wanted to see what else happened. This girl had a classy look about her plus a smokin' hot body. She wasn't a spinner, but put together. Her name is Flavia and she is from Belo Horizonte. She said she is a theater student and wants to be an actress. I suspect she has the assets, but who knows. I waited about 30 mins and called her over, we went upstairs to talk. I bought her a drink and she wanted scotch on the rocks. A girl after my heart! She spoke good Spanish, so we could actually have a conversation. After about thirty mins. I got around to the price. She wanted 500R for TLN. I told here it was more than I would spend. She asked how much and I said 250R, she said no, and we parted company. As I walked around I saw her look at me a few times with a little smile and I admit that I kept tabs on her progress. She talked to a couple of guys, but nothing, so I called her over and told her that if she would stay until the afternoon I would go for 300R, she countered with 400R and I told her I just couldn't. Our paths diverged again. I talked with probably the hottest girl in the place and she wanted 600R and couldn't spend the night. I told her I didn't want to own the thing, just rent it. I don't think she found it as funny as I did. I talked to a couple more gals, one was with a friend and she said she usually works at Barbella, but it was dead. I asked her why she worked there and she said the money was better. This gal was cute, but no raving beauty and wanted 350R for a short time. I then found a real cutie, she said she is 19 and only has been working for 2 weeks, she had a twin sister and a couson with her. I would have taken her in a heartbeat, but she wanted 500R for 2 hours and wouldn't budge. I was about to go and get the "stand-by" when I saw her leave with someone. She waved discretely as she left. I saw the "actress" talking to a couple to a couple of guys, never saw her leave, but didn't see her again. It was getting late and I was losing my enthusiasm, so I thought once more around the track and then see what was outside. I ran into a really cute little spinner with a sweet smile and a nice figure, but she was probably into heer thirties. She gave the impression of one who tries really hard to please, because she knows the younger girls have something she doesn't. Youth. My experience is these gals can be quite a good time and aren't in a big hurry. She asked for 200R for TLN and accepted 150R. Back to the hotel we go. The girl from belo horizonte, sounds like the same girl I seen in help 2 weeks ago, I seen her down by the bar, then took her upstairs and she wanted 450 reals, I counter offered with 200 reals, she then said 400 I said 250 final offer, or you may find an italian who might pay 450. As we were walking off she then went down to 350. I smiled and then politley said good luck finding an italian. She said to me that she was just in Rio for 3 weeks to get some money to pay her uni fee's. I must admit though she was a cut above the rest. But if I am going to spend more than 300 on a women. I'd rather do it at the termas. Better quality and service. Just my opinion. Help is more just a place of human observation for me. A bit off fun to watch and laugh.

Rss910
03-16-08, 03:33
She wanted 500R for TLN. I told here it was more than I would spend. She asked how much and I said 250R, she said no, and we parted company. As I walked around I saw her look at me a few times with a little smile and I admit that I kept tabs on her progress. She talked to a couple of guys, but nothing, so I called her over and told her that if she would stay until the afternoon I would go for 300R, she countered with 400R and I told her I just couldn't. Our paths diverged again. I talked with probably the hottest girl in the place and she wanted 600R and couldn't spend the night. I told her I didn't want to own the thing, just rent it. I don't think she found it as funny as I did. I talked to a couple more gals, one was with a friend and she said she usually works at Barbella, but it was dead. I asked her why she worked there and she said the money was better. This gal was cute, but no raving beauty and wanted 350R for a short time. I then found a real cutie, she said she is 19 and only has been working for 2 weeks, she had a twin sister and a couson with her. I would have taken her in a heartbeat, but she wanted 500R for 2 hours and wouldn't budge. I was about to go and get the "stand-by" when I saw her leave with someone. She waved discretely as she left. I saw the "actress" talking to a couple to a couple of guys, never saw her leave, but didn't see her again. It was getting late and I was losing my enthusiasm, so I thought once more around the track and then see what was outside. I ran into a really cute little spinner with a sweet smile and a nice figure, but she was probably into heer thirties. She gave the impression of one who tries really hard to please, because she knows the younger girls have something she doesn't. Youth. My experience is these gals can be quite a good time and aren't in a big hurry. She asked for 200R for TLN and accepted 150R. Back to the hotel we go. What's up with these prices? I have never been quoted such high prices. NEVER. TLN is usually 350 BEFORE negotiation. Were you wearing a gold watch? A load of cash on your forehead? I was at Help two weeks ago. There is no way these prices go. NO WAY

DFWdude
03-17-08, 18:21
What are the going rates at the Termas? It has been a couple of years since I have been to Rio. Last time I went Solarium was around R$65 to enter then arond R$200 or so in cluding cabine/girl for 40 mins. 4x4 was around R$35 to enter (waived for early birds) and R$190 for 40 mins in cabine.

Thanks to the falling of the USD what was a great deal is not so much anymore.....It is almost on par for cost compared to the German FKK clubs...However, those who have traveled know NOTHING beats a Rio GFE!!

I have time off at the end of April, so just planning the best bang for the buck. Thailand is too damn far!

Benjoe
03-17-08, 23:13
What are the going rates at the Termas? It has been a couple of years since I have been to Rio. Last time I went Solarium was around R$65 to enter then arond R$200 or so in cluding cabine/girl for 40 mins. 4x4 was around R$35 to enter (waived for early birds) and R$190 for 40 mins in cabine.

Thanks to the falling of the USD what was a great deal is not so much anymore.....It is almost on par for cost compared to the German FKK clubs...However, those who have traveled know NOTHING beats a Rio GFE!!

I have time off at the end of April, so just planning the best bang for the buck. Thailand is too damn far!
If I am remembering correctly, Solarium is 60 reais for entrance, 130 reais to the girl and 60 reaisfor a 40 minute cabine -- total is 250 reais. If you go to their website and signup for something called the Festa do internauta, you will get a coupon (valid for 15 days -- so, signup just before you go, and you can signup multiple times for multiple coupons) good for a free admission on Mondays. If you signup for their frequent fuckers program, you will get a free admission for every 700 reais you spend.

4x4 is 180 reais for 60 minutes (all-in) and entrance is 40 reais, but the entrance fee is waived if you take someone upstairs by 5PM.

Monte Carlo is the same as Solarium, except their festa do internauta coupon day is Tuesday.

L'Uomo is in the same ballpark as Solarium and Monte Carlo, and it has different specials running on different days. Plus, they've been serving a free dinner daily. In the past, it was only on Saturdays.

Tiradentes
03-18-08, 04:18
If I am remembering correctly, Solarium is 60 reais for entrance, 130 reais to the girl and 60 reaisfor a 40 minute cabine -- total is 250 reais. If you go to their website and signup for something called the Festa do internauta, you will get a coupon (valid for 15 days -- so, signup just before you go, and you can signup multiple times for multiple coupons) good for a free admission on Mondays. If you signup for their frequent fuckers program, you will get a free admission for every 700 reais you spend.

4x4 is 180 reais for 60 minutes (all-in) and entrance is 40 reais, but the entrance fee is waived if you take someone upstairs by 5PM.

Monte Carlo is the same as Solarium, except their festa do internauta coupon day is Tuesday.

L'Uomo is in the same ballpark as Solarium and Monte Carlo, and it has different specials running on different days. Plus, they've been serving a free dinner daily. In the past, it was only on Saturdays.

Don't forget about Centaurus:
400 Reais a pop !!!

The Watcher
03-18-08, 06:26
Don't forget about Centaurus:
400 Reais a pop !!!

At 400 Reais a pop, I will definitely forget Centaurus!

Exec Talent
03-18-08, 07:52
At 400 Reais a pop, I will definitely forget Centaurus!

Many forget, you do not actually have to session at Centaurus. Tell them you are not sure you want to take a girl and only pay the entrance fee. Gringos pay more.

With the prices as they are, takeout is much easier now. The girls have to make money somehow.

Still, by far, the best looking girls in a Rio termas.

Brazilman
03-19-08, 01:57
Avoid centaurus unless you have more money than brains. They are really not that different than the oher top termas.

The Watcher
03-19-08, 22:38
I just received a report on Centaurus from a friend who was in Rio last month. He said that it was slow when he went there and the quality was not as good as before. He also said that a lot of the girls that used to be at Centaurus went to 4x4 due to a lack of business. Can anybody confirm or deny this report? Thanks.

G Luva
03-20-08, 15:51
I am in Rio having the time of my life unfortunately found out most places are closed this Friday any advice? Is 4X4 or solarium open I know MC and LUOMOS are closed

I want daytime or afternoon action not good at picking up at the beach.

Off Road
03-20-08, 21:35
I am in Rio having the time of my life unfortunately found out most places are closed this Friday any advice? Is 4X4 or solarium open I know MC and LUOMOS are closed

I want daytime or afternoon action not good at picking up at the beach.Try Mab´s restaraunt, Ave Atlantica and Prada Junior. Might be some action there, or Balcony or Meia Pataca.

Bizzie
03-21-08, 03:08
Gents,
This may be the wrong thread for this but I think a few of you may be able/willing to help me out.
I am visiting Sao Paulo for 3-4 days for the first time. Any recommendations for easy/nearby mongering?
For example in Rio, Copa would be a good place to stay for a short visit.
How about in Sampa?

I dont suppose there is such a thing as mongers guide to Sampa (like Bubba Boy's for Rio)?

Thanks for the help.

Jesuscola
03-21-08, 13:18
I am in Rio having the time of my life unfortunately found out most places are closed this Friday any advice? Is 4X4 or solarium open I know MC and LUOMOS are closed

I want daytime or afternoon action not good at picking up at the beach.

ALL the termas are closed on Good Friday, as I have previously stated. Unless you've got some phone numbers, you're gonna be hard up today.

Voyajer1
03-21-08, 13:43
Even though this is the wrong forum to mentione it, check the Sao Paolo Guide at the bottom of the Brazil page. There are lots of good information available that you could find useful.

Gents,
This may be the wrong thread for this but I think a few of you may be able/willing to help me out.
I am visiting Sao Paulo for 3-4 days for the first time. Any recommendations for easy/nearby mongering?
For example in Rio, Copa would be a good place to stay for a short visit.
How about in Sampa?

I dont suppose there is such a thing as mongers guide to Sampa (like Bubba Boy's for Rio)?

Thanks for the help.

Bizzie
03-24-08, 01:55
Even though this is the wrong forum to mentione it, check the Sao Paolo Guide at the bottom of the Brazil page. There are lots of good information available that you could find useful.
Thanks man.
I looked at those but the info is a bit old.
Seems like Sampa is lot more complicated, especially for TLN form clubs.
Of course I only have one reference point: Help in Rio!

Junior
03-24-08, 16:40
Hi,

Have anyone been to this terma?
any good?
What is the location?

Junior

Mujimbo
03-24-08, 17:03
Guys,

I'm a first-timer to Brazil and I'm strategizing optimal use of layover time. Your reports have been phenomenally helpful, but it's left me with 3 lingering questions:

1. If you had just one evening in Rio, would you choose 4x4 or l'uomo?

2. Can you safely stash bags at a terma? I've got 2 small overhead bags, but one of them will have a laptop. Is there someplace to check it at a terma? And will the laptop still be there when I pick it up?

3. Has anyone been to the beach towns of ilheus or itacare? I wonder what the bunda possibilities are like while I'm there for 3 days.

Jimmy Boy 99
03-24-08, 22:26
Hi,

Have anyone been to this terma?
any good?
What is the location?

JuniorIt's not a terma, it's the Whiskeria (bar) of Termas Cancun. Don't bother- not very attractive girls, and not very many. Go to 4x4 instead.

Jimmy Boy 99
03-24-08, 22:29
Guys,

I'm a first-timer to Brazil and I'm strategizing optimal use of layover time. Your reports have been phenomenally helpful, but it's left me with 3 lingering questions:

1. If you had just one evening in Rio, would you choose 4x4 or l'uomo?

2. Can you safely stash bags at a terma? I've got 2 small overhead bags, but one of them will have a laptop. Is there someplace to check it at a terma? And will the laptop still be there when I pick it up?

3. Has anyone been to the beach towns of ilheus or itacare? I wonder what the bunda possibilities are like while I'm there for 3 days.Go to 4x4; cheaper, more time for less money, and far more good-looking girls. You can keep your bag with the locker-room attendant and put the computer in the locker.

Rio Lover #2
03-24-08, 22:50
Hi,

Have anyone been to this terma?
any good?
What is the location?

Junior

Shouldn't it be whiskeria Manhattan, located downstairs of termas Cancun.

Rua do Carmo


RL

JayHighFive
03-24-08, 23:33
Guys,

I'm a first-timer to Brazil and I'm strategizing optimal use of layover time. Your reports have been phenomenally helpful, but it's left me with 3 lingering questions:

1. If you had just one evening in Rio, would you choose 4x4 or l'uomo?

2. Can you safely stash bags at a terma? I've got 2 small overhead bags, but one of them will have a laptop. Is there someplace to check it at a terma? And will the laptop still be there when I pick it up?

3. Has anyone been to the beach towns of ilheus or itacare? I wonder what the bunda possibilities are like while I'm there for 3 days.By far 4X4 is the best termas. If you bag is small enough to go into a small locker you will be okay. You have to change your clothes and leave them in lockers at 4X4. They will give you a key. Can't help you with #3.

Felipe2006
03-25-08, 00:39
Hi mujimbo,

Welcome to the board.

(I) L'uomo or 4x4? That's tough – both are great places. Can you do both? (just kidding). It depends a bit on how much time you have before your flight. As L'uomo is in Copacabana, it takes considerably longer/more expensive ( 60 R$ by taxi) to the airport (I'm assuming you fly out of Galeão? ).

L'uomo is better (imho) for quality, but only 20 girls or so. 4x4 has more girls (60-80), but you have to choose more carefully. I'd go for L'uomo, but hey. It's your call.

(ii) You can leave your bagagge at L'uomo with no problems whatsoever – I've done it twice before catching flights out of Rio. They have a baggage room outside (on the balcony of the shopping mall – the security man will open it for you). If you're really concerned about your laptop you can leave it with the ladies at the reception.

At 4x4 I never had any baggage, but imho the management/reception at 4x4 are quite professional & know what they're doing, so I think it shouldn't be a problem.

Another option is to leave your stuff at the Central Bus Station and pick it up on your way to the airport. The Real bus (6. 50 Reais) takes only 10 minutes from the station to the airport.

(iii) Ilheus is a great place, and I'm sure there are some good possibilities, but I haven't mongered there as I was with Brazilian friends – in fact, in Brazil I mongered only in Rio, even though I've been to SP (twice), BH, Salvador & Curitiba etc.

Hope this helps, enjoy your trip (when are you going?

Felipe


Guys,
I'm a first-timer to Brazil...
1. If you had just one evening in Rio, would you choose 4x4 or l'uomo?
2. Can you safely stash bags at a terma? ...
3. Has anyone been to the beach towns of ilheus or itacare? ...

Cho 637
03-25-08, 03:26
Shouldn't it be whiskeria Manhattan, located downstairs of termas Cancun.

Rua do Carmo


RL

I was there once last November, with Donnie D as my wingman. Place was a little empty when we entered. There was I believe, a two drink minimum (cervaja was sufficient). I guess word was sent upstairs because the garotas started coming down and about 15 to 20 minutes later the place was filled. The average was about 7 to 7.5. At first they kept their distance but a loira with a big bunda came and sat next to me and struck up a conversation. Then she showed me around upstairs which was empty. Nice boite, nice rooms, with the top end about R350 for an hour, can't remember the bottom end. However, I did 40 minutes with the loira and it cost me about R190, including about 3 cervajas. Donnie sat and partied with a nice looking morena, but waited for 4x4. Girls are in bathing suits in the whiskeria.

Hot Dog
03-25-08, 12:48
It is a far far better thing we do to wake up beside the most delicious twenty two year old who has just spent a perfectly satisfactory night without any notice of such a thing as snoring and who is ready willing and able to wrap her luscious lips around your old man and indeed has done so and is going to work and yet you pull her away and up beside you because you know that after ten days on the trail you are spent beyond the realms of any chemical help; than to wake up on your last day urged on by the lingering dregs of vitamin V, wondering in your semi tumescence whether you have got one more in you; and if so, where then to find it.

And so it was that last day in Rio, where we had mostly fished at Help and where I had deliberately pulled out two of the best looking girls; cat walk models through and through, R 400 a piece, take it or leave it. I say deliberately because always in the past I have done my Bubbaboy screening, gone for something sympatico, a tart with a heart, something not yet bruised by the work ethic but most importantly something I could wind up to repeated orgasms and that would screw me senseless.

This time was different, I was hooked, played and landed. Both times the right of passage the same after the deal was done. “Can I have a Red Bull”, almost thrown down as a challenge at R12 as opposed to a Caipirinha at R6. This at a time when I had chatted outside before going in and had a 6 maybe 7 mulatto in the bag for R100 and she would have gone for R75 and I could tell by the look in her eye that once the pocket rocket had bought her kicking and screaming to orgasm she would have screwed my brains out.

We all know these million dollar babes ain’t any better in the sack and yes the first one was hardened by two years on the job but the second was a delight. That third Rio night I had virtually determined to go home alone, I wasn’t connecting with anything and when I finally saw her it was past my bed time and she was just dancing, not ostensibly fishing; just I guess advertising in the best way possible. I knew there was no way I could do this sylph justice that night and started to negotiate for lunch the next day. By the time we had exchanged names and addresses I just felt fuck it, get your coat, you’ve pulled, lets go now; I’ll just stroke you until my cohones come back tomorrow.

It’s all a bit of a blur now but we took her for lunch the next day after which I just said you’re booked til I leave. Having her on my arm was a pleasure; walking into a smart Ipanema restaurant behind her and watching the faces of the other diners was priceless. After 36 hours she was within 24 hours of becoming a good mate. I love this about Brazil/Argie girls. Take the girl out of her milieu and she starts to relax and have a good time and then if you got a good ‘un she will do you right and if you got a wrong un she will keep on after that piggy bank.

Backing up a little the reason I took the first model out of Help was because I was in Barbarella earlier. Now this is a fancy joint which doesn’t get too much press here. As per Bubba’s instructions we watched our wallets and the bar tab. Its basically your classic hostess joint and like anywhere in the world you are liable to be ripped off. Potentially I would think in a pretty serious way, but we weren’t. I think its about R50 or R60 entrance which gets you a couple of drinks plus a salida/bar fine of R60.

No sooner are we settled at our table than one of the girls stripping on a podium catches my eye. I am straining at the leash and desperate to catch her on her return from the changing room. I don’t think I have been anywhere and seen quite so many 8s and 9s in one place (I’ve not done too much terma action). At one point they had about a dozen on the main stage, not stripping just doing their thing and we reckoned they compared well with a bunch of Milan models.

After half an hour I have finally reduced an opening bid of R600 to R400 and off we went. On the back of this “success” wingman no 2 quickly also has a take away at the same price. The problem was back in the room she wanted the money up front and whilst I showed her I had it, I refused to hand it over. Once you have got into an argument like this the mood is killed so I said forget it, lets go, I am off to Help (thankfully just around he corner). She refuses to budge so I am ready to leave and close door with her inside (all locked up in safe; only my clothes to burn) but she leaves with me for taxi money and is most concerned about me returning to Barbarella as I guess she is checked out for the night.

It is therefore at Help I am looking for a back up plan and run into Wingman no 1 (wing one) who has left Barbarella and is now propping up the bar talking to this gorgeous creature; the best I’ve seen in Help (26 yrs old, Christina I think ?). After 20 mins looking around I return to them and he has established her (for us) non negotiable price R400 but he is backing off as he is seeing a bit of a hardened old pro and he is looking for a kindlier GFE. He is right in this but non the less I jump into the breach. The fact that he would happily pay ten times that for the right set up is neither here nor there but back in the room she wants to know why he rejected her ( he’s better looking than me !) so I tell her as nicely as I can that heart is beginning to freeze over.

After an average session she ends by jumping up and down on the bed in time to cranked up music maybe to prove she’s all fun and not yet frozen hearted. She is so pretty (but fake tits, excellent but still fake) enjoyed daty and the pocket rocket (had her own actually) I take her number in case I want her before Help the next day but I neither call her nor see her at Help either of the next two nights and hence took up with Model Girl no 2 see above.

All in all a good 4 days without any truly sensational sex (including a first night take away from Help at R200) partly because the edge had already been taken off by 5 days accompanied in Patagonia. Get this, the little strumpet I took up there set her alarm clock on the morning of our early departure half an hour earlier than we agreed so she could get in another screw. I’ve got my pride and was on my way to Rio; but had also turned her down the afternoon before when I jumped out of the shower to get some hair wash and she had snuck back into the room and grabbed my willy and tried to get in the shower fully clothed. She was a gas, loved it. AR$3,000 for 5 days/4 nights, cuddled kissed and stroked me all the way back in the bus and then bought me a present at the airport.

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Mujimbo
03-25-08, 20:25
Looks like I might get to do both after all. I managed to work an extra night into my travel plans, so it looks like I'll have one night in Rio when I arrive in brazil, and then a 7 hour layover in Rio on my way home. I'll be staying in copa, so from what I've gleaned from you vets, I'll check in at the hotel; check out meia pataca; then hightail it to 4x4 or l'uomo at the opening bell. My thinking now is to hit l'uomo when I arrive, since it's close to where I'm staying in copa, and then save 4x4 for the layover. I'll be there next week, arriving Monday morning. Anyone else going to be around?


Hi mujimbo,

Welcome to the board.

(I) L'uomo or 4x4? That's tough – both are great places. Can you do both? (just kidding). It depends a bit on how much time you have before your flight. As L'uomo is in Copacabana, it takes considerably longer/more expensive ( 60 R$ by taxi) to the airport (I'm assuming you fly out of Galeão? ).

L'uomo is better (imho) for quality, but only 20 girls or so. 4x4 has more girls (60-80), but you have to choose more carefully. I'd go for L'uomo, but hey. It's your call.

(ii) You can leave your bagagge at L'uomo with no problems whatsoever – I've done it twice before catching flights out of Rio. They have a baggage room outside (on the balcony of the shopping mall – the security man will open it for you). If you're really concerned about your laptop you can leave it with the ladies at the reception.

At 4x4 I never had any baggage, but imho the management/reception at 4x4 are quite professional & know what they're doing, so I think it shouldn't be a problem.

Another option is to leave your stuff at the Central Bus Station and pick it up on your way to the airport. The Real bus (6. 50 Reais) takes only 10 minutes from the station to the airport.

(iii) Ilheus is a great place, and I'm sure there are some good possibilities, but I haven't mongered there as I was with Brazilian friends – in fact, in Brazil I mongered only in Rio, even though I've been to SP (twice), BH, Salvador & Curitiba etc.

Hope this helps, enjoy your trip (when are you going?

Felipe

Jan 156
03-25-08, 21:21
Guys,

I'm a first-timer to Brazil and I'm strategizing optimal use of layover time. Your reports have been phenomenally helpful, but it's left me with 3 lingering questions:

1. If you had just one evening in Rio, would you choose 4x4 or l'uomo?

2. Can you safely stash bags at a terma? I've got 2 small overhead bags, but one of them will have a laptop. Is there someplace to check it at a terma? And will the laptop still be there when I pick it up?



Just to add my two cents worth . . .

Although there are great experiences to be had at both, I personally think 4x4 is more consistent and reliable.

The bag question comes up quite often. You could always phone ahead and ask. The locker might be a bit squashed for your clothes if it has to take two bags but they might make some other arrangement just as a courtesy. But for a short lay-over I think leaving the bags at the airport and just taking a small hold-all is a much better option.

If I was doing a Rio lay-over wearing a suit I'd probably head for 4x4. Quick and easy. Much closer than L'Uomo too - maybe worth noting. But if I was dressed in travel gear I'd hang out in VM of course <g> but I don't recommend that for a first timer.

Only instinct, but on the security issue I'd worry more about my laptop on the trip to 4x4 than I would worry about it once it's in there. If there's time to put it in a locker at GIG then that leaves you hands free. You might even want to have a wander around.

Euro100
03-26-08, 03:17
... and recommend 4x4. Leave the luggage at the airport, though. laos, since you are a first-timer, take the taxi, not the bus. Here is my report on my layover: http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=651223&postcount=4441

Don't get me wrong, I like L'uomo, perhaps better than 4x4. But for a one-day/night layover, 4x4 is MUCH easier. (much shorter distance from the airport, too => half the price for your taxi).

Njoy
euro


Guys,

I'm a first-timer to Brazil and I'm strategizing optimal use of layover time. Your reports have been phenomenally helpful, but it's left me with 3 lingering questions:

1. If you had just one evening in Rio, would you choose 4x4 or l'uomo?

2. Can you safely stash bags at a terma? I've got 2 small overhead bags, but one of them will have a laptop. Is there someplace to check it at a terma? And will the laptop still be there when I pick it up?

Cho 637
03-26-08, 07:38
Guys,

I'm a first-timer to Brazil and I'm strategizing optimal use of layover time. Your reports have been phenomenally helpful, but it's left me with 3 lingering questions:

1. If you had just one evening in Rio, would you choose 4x4 or l'uomo?

2. Can you safely stash bags at a terma? I've got 2 small overhead bags, but one of them will have a laptop. Is there someplace to check it at a terma? And will the laptop still be there when I pick it up?

3. Has anyone been to the beach towns of ilheus or itacare? I wonder what the bunda possibilities are like while I'm there for 3 days.

Haven't left luggage at 4x4 or L'uomo but I have at Monte Carlo. They were more than happy to accommodate me. The manager came out and told me that he would lock them in his office. When I was ready to leave they brought them out and loaded them in the cab and off to the airport! My opinion, your bags (including your laptop) would be safe. It would be bad for business if something were stolen.
4x4 is my favorite, but no one has bothered to mention that you need to get to 4x4 early (by 3 or 4) as it gets EXTREMELY crowded! Your entry fee is also waved if you take a girl before 5.

Veterano
03-27-08, 00:34
I left my bag in the locker room at 4x4 once, and I was pretty unhappy with the arrangement, as they are simply left in the locker room in a corner and the attendent is in and out.

If you can live with the risk, yeah, it is very convenient, particularly if you are catching the late CO flt as I usually do!

Mangera
03-27-08, 02:07
I left my bag in the locker room at 4x4 once, and I was pretty unhappy with the arrangement, as they are simply left in the locker room in a corner and the attendent is in and out.

If you can live with the risk, yeah, it is very convenient, particularly if you are catching the late CO flt as I usually do!

I have made arrangements in the past at 4 x 4. I spoke to the oriental lady at the front desk, gave her 20r for her help. They took the bags to the main office. By the way, she speaks english. Its worth throwing down some extra cash for some peace of mind.

At Solarium, they were super cool with me. They took the bags to the managers office. Free of charge. Granted, this was last year, so things might have changed a bit now. Doubt it, cause they want repeat buss.

As for luomo's, have never needed to leave bags there. But management has been suspect there of late, so I would not leave my stuff there. Laters!

Bad Boy Billy
03-27-08, 11:18
Guys excuse me if I 're-open' a topic that maybe should be left closed - but I see similarities in the story of 2 bars on opposite sides of the world that might interest you.

IMHO - the second best bar in the world - Maggies in Beijing - has just been closed by LE as the pre-cursor to the up-coming all encompassing 'crack down' on houses of ill repute pre the Beijing Olympics in August.

Obviously I consider Help to be the BEST bar in the world - indeed I want to die inside Help.

Maggies has been a Beijing institution for over 10 years now. Frequented almost exclusively by Mongolian girls - girls that is from the country Mongolia just to the north of Beijing. A completely unique breed of women - a much taller race than the average 'shetland pony' type Asians - amazing women. It also has a smattering of Russian, Uzbek, Kazak and Uger girls.

Almost without exception - Mongolian girls offer total GFE on all 'dates' - seriously good lovers with seriously good hearts. Very large % of them indeed are University students just earning a few $$$'s to supplement their study.

Entry was restricted to non-Chinese guys only - if you were Chinse - NO ENTRY permitted.

Maggies bar has been under 'refurbishment' for last 4 to 5 months - and without warnng one night LE enters - boots them all out - detains quite a few Mongolian girls - and sends ALL the male western custmers on their way - and bar is closed.

The point I am trying to make here is that that one foul swoop by LE has totally devastated the P4P activity for westerners in Beijing in terms of after hours / bar type pick-up establshments where guys can view all girls on offer and then negotiate DIRECTLY with the girls.

Basically if you were a 'westerner' and you were in Beijing looking for a w.h.o.r.e after hours you went t Maggies - no house prices - no pimps - no mamasans - market economy in it's purest form - sound familiar now?

Now the girls are scared and lost for locations - and the poor guys are totally devoid now of the 'ultimate pick-up' bar in Asia.

I have booked and paid for a flight from Australia to Brazil in mid June - my 3rd trip there - 25hrs to get there and 29hrs to get home - PLEASE GOD DO NOT CLOSE HELP BEFORE THEN.

Rio Joe
03-28-08, 05:10
I have made arrangements in the past at 4 x 4. I spoke to the oriental lady at the front desk

That's Kristina. She loves chocolate, BTW. Bring her some (along with the dinheiro/gorjeta, not in lieu of) and she'll be your friend/ally for life.

Bravo
03-28-08, 15:53
That's Kristina. She loves chocolate, BTW. Bring her some (along with the dinheiro/gorjeta, not in lieu of) and she'll be your friend/ally for life.


I would be very carefull with that asian girl, I have a number of friends whose credit cards were cloned in 4X4. The girl took their cards and rang up the bill? The asian girl behind the counter!! One buddy knew for a fact that she stole his info because his card was brand new, he had just gotten it in the mail that week and 4X4 was the very first time he tried to use it. 3 days later, he had a couple of grand worth of bogus charges!!

Chris H
03-29-08, 01:40
I was in the therma in N/S Copa building 583 today apt 204, and had an excellent time. I did not session with any of the girls, but it was still a good relaxing time with beautiful women. I would highly recommend this spot for anyone that is in Copa and wants to chill out or wants to try something different from Lumos or Monte Carlo.

Chris H

Benjoe
03-29-08, 02:14
I would be very carefull with that asian girl, I have a number of friends whose credit cards were cloned in 4X4. The girl took their cards and rang up the bill? The asian girl behind the counter!! One buddy knew for a fact that she stole his info because his card was brand new, he had just gotten it in the mail that week and 4X4 was the very first time he tried to use it. 3 days later, he had a couple of grand worth of bogus charges!!
When a person steals credit card information, they start using it right away before anyone can stop transactions. Waiting two days doesn't make any sense. However, if your friend only used the card once and used it at 4x4, you've got some great evidence. At 4x4 and the other termas, the credit card never leaves your sight. Everything is done in front of you. Typically, the Asian girl doesn't touch the credit cards; the other two girls do the swiping, inputting of the code and the handling of the receipts. I've never heard of termas stealing credit card info, which isn't to say an employee never did it. You are witness to everything a termas does with the credit card. It would take a lot of guts to steal something with you watching every move.

The usual suspect for credit card fraud is a restaurant -- in any country, including the USA. The waiter takes your card, disappears and comes back with it. You don't know what he was doing with it. In Brazil, when cc info has been stolen, the person had used the cc in a restaurant.

Bravo
03-29-08, 04:12
Benjoe, sorry if I wasnt clear when I wrote my intial response. I didnt mean that on the 3rd day, a person charged up a bunch of things. I meant that he didnt check his account until 3 days later and then noticed a bunch of BS purchases over a 3 day period.

Not only was the asian girl the one who ripped off my buddy. I also know she is notorius for taking a person's receipts and placing a seperate piece of paper over it, where she writes a price of 20-30R higher. She has done to me personally about 4 times in the past year. I caught her everytime and have asked her "Why does the computer printout say one price, but you wrote a different price on top of it?"

She normally just grabs the paper, scratches out her price and writes the correct one. Then she starts with the "Dont forget the cheeep (tip)." She has done the "Write a higher price scam" on me and about 5 people I know. She usually only does it when the checkout area is really busy, I am assuming she does it then because she figures you will be in a hurry to leave and wont take the time to exam your bill.

Benjoe
03-29-08, 05:00
Not only was the asian girl the one who ripped off my buddy. I also know she is notorius for taking a person's receipts and placing a seperate piece of paper over it, where she writes a price of 20-30R higher. She has done to me personally about 4 times in the past year. I caught her everytime and have asked her "Why does the computer printout say one price, but you wrote a different price on top of it?"

She normally just grabs the paper, scratches out her price and writes the correct one. Then she starts with the "Dont forget the cheeep (tip)." She has done the "Write a higher price scam" on me and about 5 people I know. She usually only does it when the checkout area is really busy, I am assuming she does it then because she figures you will be in a hurry to leave and wont take the time to exam your bill.
The Thandie Newton lookalike tried the receipt scam on me at Solarium awhile ago. The people who do the counter at Solarium now have been nothing but great to me. The counter people are not all sharks; the person at L'Uomo once gave me back a 50 reais note, when I gave her one 50 reais bill too many.

Sunset Strip
03-29-08, 19:58
I was in the therma in N/S Copa building 583 today apt 204, and had an excellent time. I did not session with any of the girls, but it was still a good relaxing time with beautiful women. I would highly recommend this spot for anyone that is in Copa and wants to chill out or wants to try something different from Lumos or Monte Carlo.

Chris H

Chris,

What are the going rates in that therma. And can you provide a few more details of the layout of the place.

Others have written about it but some of the info. is not current.

Obrigado,

TJ

Jimmy Boy 99
03-29-08, 20:02
Unless you don't keep track of your drinks or sessions (which is a mistake in of itself) there should never be an issue of what your bill is. I haver never had any problems other than at 4x4, where they sometimes forget that I sessioned in the afternoon and try to charge me for the entrance fee again after I have come back to the terma in the evening. Reminding them that I sessioned there earlier in the afternoon sets them straight (though it is wise to tell them when you are leaving that you will be returning later.)

Sperto
03-29-08, 20:12
Chris,
What are the going rates in that therma. And can you provide a few more details of the layout of the place.
Others have written about it but some of the info. is not current.
Obrigado,
TJ
Unfortunately I can't give you the rates on N S Cop 583, but I can give you a good advice. Walk two blocks down on Sigueira Campos and take the metro to Carioca station. There you will have tons of options regarding casas de massagem.

BTW, the list on cheap casas de massagem in Centro I made one year ago is quite out of date. I will soon post a new updated list.

Sunset Strip
03-29-08, 21:15
I made another map of Casas de Massagem and Termas in Centro.

This time I put all the red dots in the "exact" location. I added addresses from El Austriaco and Christopherd that weren't on my list. I also added the Termas, >R$ 100.

Of course the map and the lists are far away from complete. You'll find many more places in Gpguia and when you do your own searching on the streets.


I got it Sperto.
Thanks for the map and info.
I thought the map would print inside my post but it did not. For those needing it go to Sperto's 11-02-2007 post,

TJ

Chris H
03-30-08, 00:02
Chris,

What are the going rates in that therma. And can you provide a few more details of the layout of the place.

Others have written about it but some of the info. is not current.

Obrigado,

TJ
The rates was 75R for 20mins- 100R for 1 hour. That is all I noticed. Like I said, I did not partake. The layout is real simple, nothing fancy at all. You dont change clothes, the girls are all in bikinis and the room you hang in is very small with a jukebox TV in there. The bathroom, is the same room that the girls take their showers in, so you can get a preview of the goods, if a girl that you are interested in is in there. The place is not fancy, but still a good time with nice pretty girls. I did not feel any pressure to session, and that is also a plus.

Chris H

Chris H
03-30-08, 00:05
Balcony was popping last night with a nice assortment of women. I will be there again tonight, before hitting up HELP. If anyone is headed there, let me know with a PM and maybe we can meet up.

Chris H

Jan 156
03-30-08, 02:38
Chris,

What are the going rates in that therma. And can you provide a few more details of the layout of the place.

Others have written about it but some of the info. is not current.

Obrigado,

TJ
\Few months since I've been but the layout hardly changes. A girl will answer and usually give you a cutesy smile or giggle and you walk in like you know what you are doing. (If you just stand there she might not ask you in and you can get all embarrassed and leave lol.) You go in thru a small entrance hallway into a lounge where you can chill with a drink if you wish. There's tow or three bedrooms off to the right once you engage a girl.

The adjacent (or rather almost opposite) terma is more formal. You go in thru an entrance with an old receptionist and turn left into the reception room, pick a girl and get on with it.

I'd have to check back to see what I paid. Bit more than Casarao I think but still a bargain for Copa.

Entrance from the street for both places is next to the rundown mall. If you take the elevator you have to choose the correct one as each only goes to alternate floors (standard practice in RJ high rises). But it's only a couple of flights up so you are as quick walking up the stairs (situated just beyond the elevators). Turn left when you get to the correct floor (the sign for 'Copa Massagens' or something like that is probably still up on the display board directory on the floor itself) and go to the end of the passage (last door on the right) for the laid back one, or the open door on the left (very obvious) just before the end for the formal one.

RioGuest
03-30-08, 17:06
I will be coming to Rio Nov. 6-15 and want to know if anyone would want to split a two bedroom apt? I am a 50 year old in great shape, who loves an adventure. This will be my second time, and am up to staying anywhere, doing anything. As I like to get things planned out, let me know now, and we can have some fun planning it out. I met a great guy named carmen from N. Y? Last time, so if you happen to read this, write me. Also had a great time with canstud chasing the girls. See ya,

Mncpa1

Sunset Strip
03-30-08, 19:34
Thanks Chris H. and Christop.
I will be stopping in therma 583 in a few months and will report on it.

Is anybody going to the Miami Video Show located on N.S. Copacabana at the corner of Hilario G. (one block up from Monte Carlo) next to the Pao de Acucar grocery store?

I used to pick up girls in that place all of the time. Once you meet one girl they all want to be with you.

TJ

Jimmy Boy 99
04-01-08, 22:04
I received an E-mail from Luomo that says if you send an E-mail with your name to luomo@luomo.com.br you will automatically be registered for free entrance to the club during April. I did but I have not received any confirmation. I guess I will have to wait till I get to Rio to see if I am really registered. In addition, the entrance fee is half-price if you enter before 7PM M-F.

Brazilman
04-02-08, 19:25
If you need to store your bags while terming,go to the nearest hotel near the terma that you going to session and tell the bellman that you are going screw some girls before going to theairport and you need him to check in your bags while your gone.Give home some money and he will check them in as if you were a guest.

Sperto
04-03-08, 06:55
Any lately news about Help turning into a museu?
http://www.correiodobrasil.com.br/noticia.asp?c=135094
http://rraurl.uol.com.br/cena/4927/Governo_do_Rio_desapropria_Help_Discoteca
http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2008/01/29/boate_help_passara_ser_museu_da_imagem_do_som-341274620.asp

What about these closed university parties on the second floor at Help? Are they still happening?
http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Rio/0,,MUL346466-5606,00-FESTAS+UNIVERSITARIAS+NA+BOATE+HELP+INCOMODAM+PROFISSIONAIS.html

I will not cry if they close Help. On the contrary I would like it. I can imagine many of the Help girls would have to seek new grounds. Low-class termas, centro-casas, VM and the pista (unless the Bingo Arpoador turns into a new Help). That would mean an increase on the availability on budget-p***y.

I guess the only problem would be for the devoted Help-mongers, where will they go? Balcony?

Tjmee
04-03-08, 22:27
Breakout of Dengue Fever in Brazil?

How is it effecting local Brazilians and the termas there?

Off Road
04-03-08, 23:34
Breakout of Dengue Fever in Brazil?

How is it effecting local Brazilians and the termas there?If someone were to get it, they would be sick for about 5 days. Have not heard anything about termas girls getting it.

Off Road
04-03-08, 23:35
Any lately news about Help turning into a museu?
I was there last night, all things normal. No new news, no actions. A few told me they would probably do agencies.

Abzsafado
04-05-08, 00:08
Dull day today so I went for a bit of afternoon delight in Solarium.
I got there about 5.30pm and the place was quite full, twenty girls and roughly the same number of customers. However it was totally lacking energy, the girls were standing or sitting around, none were dancing, it felt like everybody was a bit tired. I had a couple of choppes and checked out the girls, couple of nice blondes a couple of scary bodybuilder types.( What is it with the women in Rio these days, a lot seem to work out too much?). Generally speaking the standard was quite high compared to what I have seen recently at Help and in the bars on Isabella, but the attitude was poor. Flirted a bit with a petite little blond but she looked too much of a little girl for my liking. Finally settled on Fernanda, 28 years old, tall blond ( from a bottle). She seemed a bit friskier than the rest. Good fun session, BBBJ, no anal but she put out quite a bit.
Total cost R$262, 60 entrance, 60 for the cabine, 130 for the girl, 12 for the choppe. Receptionist said if I paid by credit card there was an additional R$20 charge, new one on me, she also said it didn't include her tip. She didn't get one, because she did nothing. It's one of the things that pisses me off here, they always ask gringoes for tips, they never ask if they think you are a local.
Overall impression, good session from the girl, the place was a bit rundown and out of the way unless you are staying in the area. I walked from Ipanema, just for the exercise, not because I have a "mao de vaca". I had a bit of difficulty getting a taxi back at 7.30pm.
Pictures in picture gallery.

Dee Beeay
04-06-08, 10:22
I ventured into therma 583 a couple of months ago. Within in seconds of walking in the door a girl was going thru my pockets. I did not like the feel of it at all. A lot of guys sitting around drinking beer in a very small room. As it had been recommended I was going to write a report, but did not get around to it. Although I did not partake in the going fare that was on offer, I would be inclined to recommend mongers to steer clear of it. Besides, the rates are not that attractive anyway. Later that night I went up to Villa Mimosa and had three girls at 25R per 20 minute session each. Also, comparing the rates in 583 to what I was able to negotiate in the bar outside Help - 3 girls, 175, 220 and 250 respectively, for all nighters - even on the price front, it is not that attractive.

Hope this is of assistance.

Exec Talent
04-06-08, 12:54
I ventured into therma 583 a couple of months ago.

Actually 583 is the address on NS Copacabana. The 2nd floor has two termas - 203 (on the left) and 204 (on the right). Sounds like you were in 204. Some people like it there, others don't. I am one who doesn't. However, I have found some gems in 203 including several girls who later found their way to higher-priced termas. Don't expect luxury. Do expect to be able to get a girl's phone numbers for after hours encounters. Do expect the girls to be new to the business and not as jaded or fake as they are in the higher-priced termas.

Wild Cherokee
04-06-08, 14:14
Actually 583 is the address on NS Copacabana. The 2nd floor has two termas - 203 (on the left) and 204 (on the right). Sounds like you were in 204. Some people like it there, others don't. I am one who doesn't. However, I have found some gems in 203 including several girls who later found their way to higher-priced termas. Don't expect luxury. Do expect to be able to get a girl's phone numbers for after hours encounters. Do expect the girls to be new to the business and not as jaded or fake as they are in the higher-priced termas.

Dee Beeay,

I second Exec Talent’s post. My wingmen and I always make 583 NS our first stop when arriving in Rio. We drop off our luggage, grab some food and casually make our way there (usually early evening). The atmosphere is always friendly. You can select your music of preference from the video jukebox, flirt with the girls and grab a few bottles of Skol, Ice or any other intoxicant from their limited assortment of available drinks. Yes, the girls are going to try their best to lure you in for sessions. That is how they make their money. However, the beauty of it is that the environment is small, controlled and relaxed. The girls are downright playful. In my humble opinion, it is a great way to ease into things before engaging the other mongering mayhem that this city has to offer.

Additionally, during my last trip, I noticed that a short morena (somewhat thick) that used to work at 583 was working at Luomos. She recognized me and came over to give me a kiss. As I always do with her, I reciprocated, smiled and then cordially redirected my attention elsewhere as she is not my type and I don’t want her to waste time with me that won’t be rewarded. However, she does have a great smile and friendly demeanor which seems to work well for the Luomos atmosphere. Same GDP. Different location. The only significant difference, aside from facility ambiance, is that interested mongerers will now have to pay 3X more to session with her at Luomos that when she was at 583.

WC

Dee Beeay
04-06-08, 19:35
My recommendation not to visit 583 is based on the fact that within seconds of entering, a girl had put her hand in my pocket and had grabbed my wallet - full of condoms not cash, 22 years of visiting Rio means I carry everything but cash in my wallet.

Abzsafado
04-06-08, 22:33
Last night was one of the weirdest nights I have ever had in Help. When I arrived there was a huge line of young brasilians outside. When I got inside it was packed but at least half the crowd were young locals, something I have never seen before. Turns out that someone had booked the balcony section for a private party. It made for an interesting dynamic. The GDP's looked a bit pissed off that all these young garotas had come into their bar. The young brasilians were barging about acting all macho like they like to do when they are not out shopping with their mum's. Some of the non-pro's were quite approachable and friendly but it felt a bit odd and out of place chatting to them. All the non-pros had orange wristbands on but apart from that it was hard to tell them apart from the workers.
I couldn't help but wonder how the locals would react if all the mongers and gdp's turned up at Melt?
P.S. This rival potentially free pussy had no affect on prices.

Abzsafado
04-06-08, 23:01
Had a wander round the clubs the other day, the prices wee pretty much the same as before but the quality of woman has dropped.

Barbarellas- R$60 entrance including 2 local drinks, no charge to take a girl out if you have bought her a couple of drinks. The club was really quiet, only about 20-30 girls, a few stunners but they looked cold as ice and had an arrogant air about them. Had a straight out offer of R$200 for an all night session, highly unusual in there, normal starting price is 4-500.

Ciccolenas- or however it's spelt- R$25 for two beers. It had a surprisingly good selection of girls. Although this opinion may have been affected by the hour I visited at and the number of drinks I had beforehand. But it is at it's best late on when all the girls from the other clubs arrive at around 3am.

Erotika- R$20 for two beers. Same standard of woman you would find in Help. Another club thats better late on.

Franks- R$40 for two beers, I think. Poorest selection of women I have seen for a long time, most of the good lookers have gone to the other clubs. Still has the live show.

All in all some of them are a reasonable deal. Having two beers, watching a strip show and taking the girl back for a two hour session is on par with what you would pay at MC, 250 to 260 Reais. Help comes in about the same after you have paid your entrance and negotiated with the girl.

The problem in these places is maintaining the self discipline to only have the two drinks and not buying a girl a ridiculously priced hedee boo with imported vodka. The girls always ask for something expensive because they get money for it. However if you make it clear to her that you are going to take her home and you want to sit with her while you watch the show it is acceptable to ask for an extra glass and give her some of your beer.

Veterano
04-07-08, 00:46
Ask for an extra glass and give her some of your beer! This is a classic!

Chris H
04-07-08, 06:01
I ventured into therma 583 a couple of months ago. Within in seconds of walking in the door a girl was going thru my pockets. I did not like the feel of it at all. A lot of guys sitting around drinking beer in a very small room. As it had been recommended I was going to write a report, but did not get around to it. Although I did not partake in the going fare that was on offer, I would be inclined to recommend mongers to steer clear of it. Besides, the rates are not that attractive anyway. Later that night I went up to Villa Mimosa and had three girls at 25R per 20 minute session each. Also, comparing the rates in 583 to what I was able to negotiate in the bar outside Help - 3 girls, 175, 220 and 250 respectively, for all nighters - even on the price front, it is not that attractive.

Hope this is of assistance.

You are right, the prices at 583 are not that good. It seems they want to charge a premium price like they are a big time therma, but not have the same type of facilites.

Chris H


P.S. I know the prices are not they same as Lumous or 4x4, but at 75R for 20 min., that adds up if you want an hour.

Sperto
04-07-08, 07:36
Last night was one of the weirdest nights I have ever had in Help. When I arrived there was a huge line of young brasilians outside. When I got inside it was packed but at least half the crowd were young locals, something I have never seen before. Turns out that someone had booked the balcony section for a private party...
I guess what you saw was one of those parties that I asked about earlier.

What about these closed university parties on the second floor at Help? Are they still happening?
http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Rio/0,,MUL346466-5606,00-FESTAS+UNIVERSITARIAS+NA+BOATE+HELP+INCOMODAM+PROFISSIONAIS.html

Very interesting. It really should disturb the business for the GPs.
The non-pro's also had access to the regular Help area? If so there could be some confusion and misunderstandings. :)


I couldn't help but wonder how the locals would react if all the mongers and gdp's turned up at Melt?
Actually there are quite a few GPs at Melt.

Off Road
04-07-08, 11:41
It is quite common to have private parties at Help. TV Globo does all the time. Their is no confusion on the GDP side, the GDPs know who the gringos are. The party folks can come downstairs, but not vice-versa. The GDPs hate it as it gets more crowded and when the party folks are young brazilian girls, the gringos get confused and try to hit on the regular girls, which is always unsuccessful.

Abzsafado
04-07-08, 14:13
I guess what you saw was one of those parties that I asked about earlier.

Very interesting. It really should disturb the business for the GPs.
The non-pro's also had access to the regular Help area? If so there could be some confusion and misunderstandings. :)

Actually there are quite a few GPs at Melt.

I didn't see your earlier post but the article you linked to was very interesting. But I see these parties have only been taking place since Sept 2007. How may have they had?
I don't think it's too bad a thing if it keeps the place fuller during low season.

P.S. The working girls I have met in Melt and Baronetti have usually been on a day off, if such a thing exists for them.
In Help all the non Pro's had orange wrist bands on, perhaps they should introduce a similar system in all the clubs.

Bdonkadonk
04-07-08, 18:55
Somebody! Anybody! Please help, I saw this girl's video on youtube, talk about an ass! I am going back to Rio in 3 weeks and just have to find her. If anyone on the board knows what terma she works in, please PM me. I promise to post all pics upon my return to show my gratitude.

Her name om the film is Luana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSUWR_qcdCoI searched the Internet for this girl and also wonders if anyone knows where this girls can be found. Anyone have any suggestions? I would willingly travel anywhere in Brazil if I could meet this girl. She must be one of the sexiest women I have ever seen!

JayHighFive
04-07-08, 21:17
Had a wander round the clubs the other day, the prices wee pretty much the same as before but the quality of woman has dropped.

Barbarellas- R$60 entrance including 2 local drinks, no charge to take a girl out if you have bought her a couple of drinks. The club was really quiet, only about 20-30 girls, a few stunners but they looked cold as ice and had an arrogant air about them. Had a straight out offer of R$200 for an all night session, highly unusual in there, normal starting price is 4-500.

Ciccolenas- or however it's spelt- R$25 for two beers. It had a surprisingly good selection of girls. Although this opinion may have been affected by the hour I visited at and the number of drinks I had beforehand. But it is at it's best late on when all the girls from the other clubs arrive at around 3am.

Erotika- R$20 for two beers. Same standard of woman you would find in Help. Another club thats better late on.

Franks- R$40 for two beers, I think. Poorest selection of women I have seen for a long time, most of the good lookers have gone to the other clubs. Still has the live show.

All in all some of them are a reasonable deal. Having two beers, watching a strip show and taking the girl back for a two hour session is on par with what you would pay at MC, 250 to 260 Reais. Help comes in about the same after you have paid your entrance and negotiated with the girl.

The problem in these places is maintaining the self discipline to only have the two drinks and not buying a girl a ridiculously priced hedee boo with imported vodka. The girls always ask for something expensive because they get money for it. However if you make it clear to her that you are going to take her home and you want to sit with her while you watch the show it is acceptable to ask for an extra glass and give her some of your beer.

So Barbarella's and the others you mention are all strip clubs. Are they open during the day?

Abzsafado
04-07-08, 22:11
So Barbarella's and the others you mention are all strip clubs. Are they open during the day?

The clubs mentioned only open after 10pm but don't get going until after midnight, later in some cases. Clubs around Praca Maua in centro open round 7pm.

Bizzie
04-08-08, 04:02
It is quite common to have private parties at Help. TV Globo does all the time. Their is no confusion on the GDP side, the GDPs know who the gringos are. The party folks can come downstairs, but not vice-versa. The GDPs hate it as it gets more crowded and when the party folks are young brazilian girls, the gringos get confused and try to hit on the regular girls, which is always unsuccessful.
I was caught by surprised during one of these parties (during my 2nd visit to GIG) with a whole bunch of hot non-GDPs. I was confused as to why a bunch of gringos had been shot down repeatedly by these babes.
I only caught on when they brought out a birthday cake onto the dance floor.
There were no special wrist bands on that day.

Tjmee
04-08-08, 07:02
I searched the Internet for this girl and also wonders if anyone knows where this girls can be found. Anyone have any suggestions? I would willingly travel anywhere in Brazil if I could meet this girl. She must be one of the sexiest women I have ever seen!Do you have any screen caps or other pics? That video is gone.

Thanos
04-08-08, 18:32
I was caught by surprised during one of these parties (during my 2nd visit to GIG) with a whole bunch of hot non-GDPs. I was confused as to why a bunch of gringos had been shot down repeatedly by these babes.

I only caught on when they brought out a birthday cake onto the dance floor.
There were no special wrist bands on that day.Just had a regular party in Help last saturday. Now the GPs have adapted and alot of them don't even go in the club on the regular nights. The regular brazilians take over the dance floor and the really interesting part is that the regular girls look way better than the GPs.

Bdonkadonk
04-08-08, 21:10
Do you have any screen caps or other pics? That video is gone.I try withy this link. I have a couple of films with her, for example "Big booty revenge 3" and "Big butt Brazilian sluts" in which she is participating. So any help or suggestions where she can be found would be very appreciated. I have been in Rio three times myself but I have never seen her there. As I said I would gladly travel to anywhere in Brazil if I could find this girl Luana!

http://a6s9l00ovf.killerfrog.com/videos/Luana_-_Big_Booty_Brazilian_Bunda__5_min__video_/index.html

Superman79
04-08-08, 21:12
I was thinking of running down to Rio in the next couple of weaks. Was wondering from people that have been down there recently, what are the going rates? . I usually do no more than 100R during the day and 150 to 200R out of help. I'm planing on really sticking to my guns more than usual because of the exchange rate.

Any thoughts?

Sperto
04-09-08, 06:51
... the really interesting part is that the regular girls look way better than the GPs.
A very good point!

Masacuata
04-09-08, 15:05
Hi fellow mongers,

I was in Rio de Janeiro for a couple of days and would like to share my experiences.

I did some research in the forum and for newbies coming to Rio like me "Bubba Boys Rio Guide" was
mainly my source of information.

I was only in las termas "L'uomo", and as explained in the guide it is not straight forward to find the place
since is located in the second floor of a shopping mall, I was walking in circles for a while til I found
the section where the place is located.

You walk into the establishment, If it is the first time you will get an introductory explanation of the
system and prices, then you receive a key and proceed into the changing rooms where you get a bathrobe, sandals
and where you leave your belongings in a locker.

Then you walk into the main room where the bar is located and the girls are either dancing or simple waiting
for costumers, there were around 15 available when I was there, ranging from 5-8, mainly dark skinned.

No money is handled within the establishment, you pay at the time you leave the place, thus you get drinks at the
bar after showing your key's number.

After ordering a beer and looking the quality of available girls, I tried to establish eye contact with the cutest
one but was not responsive at all and looked bored.. all of a sudden a nice Carioca girl came by and began teasing me,
kissing me, rubbing her body against mine, touching my member.. which really turn me on.. but when I enquired about
back office availability.. she did not answer back positively and therefore had to dismiss her.

She went to the couches and 2 minutes later another girl (short, nice ass, firm tits and cute face ) came by and did
the same as the first one, teasing, rubbing, kissing til I was really horny and asked her whether she did anal, her
answer was positive, so we head to the private rooms.

Before walking into the private room area she requested my key and walked into a room, I had to wait until she changed
her clothes , which I really did not understand why since she would be naked a couple of minutes later anyway.

In the room I found the bed quite small, session was quite good, she was quite responsive and
passionate during sex, no complains about trying the back oriffice, CBJ, kissing and quite chatty girl.

She told me that this place was mainly for foreigners and the Termas for locals were located in downtown, we talked for
a while and since I was not fit to have a second round due previous sightseeing in the city I had to call it off, when we went out she
gave me a goodbye kiss, overall she was close to a GFE,

I paid around 240 Reais (89 Euros), I don't remember exactly the price scheme, but the more garotas you have,
the cheaper the entrance fee is, so it is recommended to have more than 1 in order to get a better deal.

About Rio:
* It was my first time in Brazil and I did feel somehow insecure.
* I had problems for withdrawing money from teller machines cause only some of them accept international cards.
* I could not pay for a plane ticket in a travel agency with my international card.
* Food and weather were great.
* Prices in compare with Argentina are higher.

Cho 637
04-09-08, 21:36
I was thinking of running down to Rio in the next couple of weaks. Was wondering from people that have been down there recently, what are the going rates? . I usually do no more than 100R during the day and 150 to 200R out of help. I'm planing on really sticking to my guns more than usual because of the exchange rate.

Any thoughts?
I am here now and have been to Help a couple of nights. Don´t know about the R100 but the R150 to R200 should work in Help. Although, you may have to look around. The crowds Friday, and Sunday seemed to be smaller than usual. Ratio seems to be more men than women. Had a little spinner try to negotiate with me and offer R300 without anal or photos! And this was at 3:00am! Of course I walked.

Off Road
04-09-08, 22:58
Is HELP now becoming a "regular" disco??? I thought it was going to close, and morph into some kind of museum.Help is the same, no change. Read some of the other threads, you will get caught up on the drama of Help closing, or not.

Chi Town Hustler
04-10-08, 01:20
I am going to be in Rio de Janeiro long term and I'm looking for an apartment in Recreio, do anyone have any advise or web site I can visit?

Dollars
04-10-08, 11:29
What time do they open on Mondays?

Thanks

Huntsman
04-10-08, 14:13
I am going to be in Rio de Janeiro long term and I'm looking for an apartment in Recreio, do anyone have any advise or web site I can visit?Try zap.com.br (imóveis section).

They have many in Recreio: I just checked.

Rio Lover #2
04-10-08, 19:23
What time do they open on Mondays?

Thanks


They open at 14.00 (from Mon till Fri).

Thanos
04-11-08, 17:57
Is HELP now becoming a "regular" disco??? I thought it was going to close, and morph into some kind of museum.They've been giving the monthly "regular" parties for about a year now. The attendees are wealthy young brazilians (children of politicians and other prominent brazilians). They don't pay to enter the club. Their names are on a private list which the doorman checks and then lets them in. A brazilian who goes to HELP just about every night says that these lists with names of politicians kids and the like will be used as a bargaining chip by the owner of Help to keep the club open. Anyway the current rumor floating around is that April 25th will be the closing date.

Balluba
04-11-08, 19:05
Huge collection of what we all love...

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?p=r&user=elingenioso1957&page=1

.

Sperto
04-11-08, 19:31
Huge collection of what we all love...
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?p=r&user=elingenioso1957&page=1
.
No Praia do Futuro?

Balluba
04-11-08, 22:07
No praia do futuro?

haha, yes but in the correct catalogue :-)

tnx for the links !

Chi Town Hustler
04-12-08, 15:13
Try zap.com.br (imóveis section).

They have many in Recreio: I just checked.Thank's Huntsman

I will check zap.com.br out I need somthing before May 1st.

Bizzie
04-13-08, 19:10
Anyway the current rumor floating around is that April 25th will be the closing date.

Can anyone confirm this?

I read that If a hotel is needed for a 2-3 day stay in Copa, the Marriott is a good option because its GF and no extra charge.
Is there a similar hotel option in Ipanema ?

Jimmy Boy 99
04-13-08, 23:22
A while ago I posted that I had received an E-mail from Luomo stating that if you registered with them, you would get free admission during April. I went there last night and I was registered but the girl there told me it was for a free cabine, not admission. I guess they finally realized that they would get a lot of people just looking with their offer of free admission and decided to change it to discourage that. So the saving is now Real 45 instead of free admission. There has been some discussion on the board about the lack of good girls at Luomo, so you may want to take that into account about whether to go there, although you should probably be able to find at least one girl that's doable.

Veterano
04-14-08, 00:46
I usually stay at the Marriott, is pricey but great, girl friendly maybe, no joinder, but be careful how she is dressed, etc.

Comparable option in Ipanema is Ipanema Plaza, very cool, in a gay area (but they won't bother you), call them and ask what their guest policy is.

Caesar Park is in this area, but I have never stayed there.

Sorte, Veterano

Dollars
04-14-08, 05:56
A while ago I posted that I had received an E-mail from Luomo stating that if you registered with them, you would get free admission during April. I went there last night and I was registered but the girl there told me it was for a free cabine, not admission. I guess they finally realized that they would get a lot of people just looking with their offer of free admission and decided to change it to discourage that. So the saving is now Real 45 instead of free admission. .Does anyone have Coupons for L'Uomo or Monte Carlo? I remember getting e-mails from both clubs waiving off either entrance fees or Cabine charges.

Thanks

Latino Rio
04-14-08, 14:42
Jimmy Boys mail about free entrance was from April first.

I took it for a joke.

Jimmy Boy 99
04-14-08, 16:37
Does anyone have Coupons for L'Uomo or Monte Carlo? I remember getting e-mails from both clubs waiving off either entrance fees or Cabine charges.

Thanks

Solarium and Monte Carlo don't issue coupons. They send you an E-mail that tells you to to click on a part of the E-mail. When you do, another page comes up which you print out and bring to the terma. Give it to them when you enter, not when you leave, or it won't be accepted for a free cabine (just one free cabine per visit). Go on their websites and look for the promotions section and then Festa do Internauto. Click on that and you you will be prompted to send a message which they will respond to you with the E-mail.

For Luomo, there is nothing printed. Just go on their webiste and register for the April promotion.

Thanos
04-16-08, 00:41
Can anyone confirm this?

I read that If a hotel is needed for a 2-3 day stay in Copa, the Marriott is a good option because its GF and no extra charge.

Is there a similar hotel option in Ipanema ?Check out the Visconde in Ipanema. Girl friendly and at a great rate.

Ken_Apples
04-16-08, 00:55
This is a quote from the photo thread (didn't want to add non photo discussion to the photo thread so I adress it here)

Originally Posted by Hoyaboy:

"Walked into help the other day and the overall quality was extremely low. 4x4 was better and Centaurus had a couple to choose from. Were are all of the pretty girls? is it mostly agencies nowadays?"

My personal reflection:
Last fall, 2007 in Spain I met ALOT of really hot Brazilian girls. Working around bars and clubs. The asking price over there is 200-300 Euro for an hour, so good looking girls can make some serious money in Europe. (some girls even ask for 1000 euro to stay the night - and sometimes get's it- shocking but true!!!)

Heck, even a costa del sol report tell the story of Brazilian girls buying apartments over there (and seaside Spanish apartments don't come cheap, so business must be good)

If this is a trend - that the better looking girls more and more are targeting europe as hunting ground, and the roumor of the good money in Europe continue to spread across Brazil, then the drain of hot girls in tourist areas of Brazil will continue and most likely accelerate.

And if Spain is closing the borders for them, business will just move to some other place in europe where demand and money are in plenty.

Solution in Brazil might be to look beyond the classic picup spots, as some younger (not so experienced) GDP most likely not will be traveling to Rio or Europe during their first year(s).

Just my 50 cents,

Best regards / Ken Apples

Bobo5
04-16-08, 01:01
hi guys

checked the 4x4 website but there is no info about the opening hours, can anybody help?

BB5

Euro100
04-16-08, 01:17
hi guys

checked the 4x4 website but there is no info about the opening hours, can anybody help?

BB5

Closed on the weekends; otherwise open from 3 pm to midnight (I am doing this from memory; if in doubt always consult the bubba guide)

Benjoe
04-16-08, 01:48
hi guys

checked the 4x4 website but there is no info about the opening hours, can anybody help?

BB5
2PM is when 4x4 opens.

Madd Love
04-16-08, 02:16
This is a quote from the photo thread (didn't want to add non photo discussion to the photo thread so I adress it here)

Originally Posted by Hoyaboy:

"Walked into help the other day and the overall quality was extremely low. 4x4 was better and Centaurus had a couple to choose from. Were are all of the pretty girls? is it mostly agencies nowadays?"

My personal reflection:
Last fall, 2007 in Spain I met ALOT of really hot Brazilian girls. Working around bars and clubs. The asking price over there is 200-300 Euro for an hour, so good looking girls can make some serious money in Europe. (some girls even ask for 1000 euro to stay the night - and sometimes get's it- shocking but true!!!)

Heck, even a costa del sol report tell the story of Brazilian girls buying apartments over there (and seaside Spanish apartments don't come cheap, so business must be good)

If this is a trend - that the better looking girls more and more are targeting europe as hunting ground, and the roumor of the good money in Europe continue to spread across Brazil, then the drain of hot girls in tourist areas of Brazil will continue and most likely accelerate.

And if Spain is closing the borders for them, business will just move to some other place in europe where demand and money are in plenty.

Solution in Brazil might be to look beyond the classic picup spots, as some younger (not so experienced) GDP most likely not will be traveling to Rio or Europe during their first year(s).

Just my 50 cents,

Best regards / Ken Apples


I totally agree with you. While I was there about two months ago there were many girls telling me they were heading to Europe to work for about a month or two. They figure they can make more money there than Rio. And its easier to get there than the U.S. also I notice since my times of going to Rio back and forth. I noticed more and more hot chicks leaving the scene and less quality as well. At least for now we still got the termas.

Just wanted to add my 2 cents

Rio Bob
04-16-08, 02:27
Sure the true 10's may still ask for top dollar and get it sometimes but if the demand is down in Rio then so will the supply eventually. Don't forget many of the girls in Rio come from some other state or city in Brazil and they only come there for one thing, to make big money. If the mongers aren't there spending the big bucks then there will be no reason for them to come. I'm not saying there will be no girls there; I’m saying there will be less and less of the higher quality ones too. I saw this in the late 90's right before the Real weakened when it was 1 to 1. Not many Mongers, a good supply of girls but not an over abundance. But things changed as the dollar fetched 4 real, Mongers all over the place all year and plenty of girls from all over Brazil and nice ones too..


You make an excellent point.

Do you think it will be mostly the 10 or mostly the 5s that leave Rio first as our demand wanes? I suspect the less pretty GDPs, or the ones less willing to do lots of what we like, will be the first to go back home. The 10s will likely be able to still get enough money to make sticking around in Rio worthwhile.


Well I like your thinking, nothing but 10's left in Rio. Maybe but I was thinking about the constant new talent always flowing into Rio. How do these girls hear about Rio and places like Help?

Many ways but I have had girls tell me about how hard their life was back in Manaus, Belo Horizante, Santa Catarina etc... And they would hear stories of women from their town that have gone to Rio and go to a place called Help that is filled with tourists who are willing to pay 300 or 400 reais for several hours of your time or all night. Not just that but during the day you can pick up a couple of quickies off the beach for 200 reais a pop.

If a girl works hard conservatively she can make 500 reais a day if she is hot. That's huge money to hear about when you have nothing back at home, Huge. This is what brings girls from all over Brasil to Rio.

Now on the other hand if they don't hear any stories at all or stories where it is hard to get a customer for 100 or 150 reais a night then this is not so alluring, is it? Sure still good money for them isn't it? But it's not going to attract the higher quality and the masses. Some may just decide to stay home or the real hot ones may decide to go to Europe but not to Rio where there is nothing but bargain hunting gringos, not that that's a bad thing of course but they're not going to leave their home for penny pinching Real strapped gringos. The days of the big high rollers in Rio are over in abundance for now at least, of course those days will come back, they always do, have some patience and curb your appetite.



I totally agree with you. While I was there about two months ago there were many girls telling me they were heading to Europe to work for about a month or two. They figure they can make more money there than Rio. And its easier to get there than the U.S. also I notice since my times of going to Rio back and forth. I noticed more and more hot chicks leaving the scene and less quality as well. At least for now we still got the termas.

Just wanted to add my 2 cents


Yes you're right, it's finally coming true, some Mongers were predicting this months ago.

Bizzie
04-16-08, 03:38
Yes you're right, it's finally coming true, some Mongers were predicting this months ago.
All of this is so fucking depressing:(
I am on my way to GIG soon but.....

Chris H
04-16-08, 04:06
All of this is so fucking depressing:(
I am on my way to GIG soon but.....
NO reason to be depressed. There is still plenty of good quality pussy down there. Don't believe the HYPE.......


Chris H

Sperto
04-16-08, 06:55
My opinions about the lack of quality at Help.

* Usually the period that attracts most GPs to work in Copa is the high-season, the summer and the carnaval. It has always been like that. A couple of weeks after the carnaval there are less GPs working at Help. This year the carnaval came very early. Now it's 10 weeks after carnval. It's not expected to be lots of GPs working in Copa at this monent.
* Quite a few GPs at Help speak about working in Europe, but not that many really do it. They might lack the money, brains, will or are just to lazy to organize the trip.
* The majority of the GPs going to Europe goes there to meet their "boyfriends", not for working.
* Judging by the brazilian women I've seen in Europe there are very few stunners going to Europe. OK, many average brazilian women might look like stunners compared to the european women.
* There are so many places in Rio where a hardworking GP can earn good money. Help is not the dreamplace to work for an ambitious GP. Help is the dreamplace to work for lazy averagelooking GPs who think money will be very easy when dealing with overpaying gringos.
* This year there is fewer gringos going to Rio. That's another reason for GPs to choose to work outside Copa.
* Brazil is a giant country. There are plenty of options where a GP could work without leaving Brazil.
* Face it, the average quality at Help has never been very good.

Sperto
04-16-08, 06:56
Sure the true 10's may still ask for top dollar and get it sometimes but if the demand is down in Rio then so will the supply eventually...

Sure the true 10's may still ask for top dollar and get it sometimes but if the demand is down in Rio then so will the supply eventually...
Rio Bob morphed into Sangue Bon. I like your new name.
Keep up your good reports. :)

JohnnyBraz
04-16-08, 08:42
My opinions about the lack of quality at Help.

* Usually the period that attracts most GPs to work in Copa is the high-season, the summer and the carnaval. It has always been like that. A couple of weeks after the carnaval there are less GPs working at Help. This year the carnaval came very early. Now it's 10 weeks after carnval. It's not expected to be lots of GPs working in Copa at this monent.

* Quite a few GPs at Help speak about working in Europe, but not that many really do it. They might lack the money, brains, will or are just to lazy to organize the trip.

* The majority of the GPs going to Europe goes there to meet their "boyfriends", not for working.

* Judging by the brazilian women I've seen in Europe there are very few stunners going to Europe. OK, many average brazilian women might look like stunners compared to the european women.

* There are so many places in Rio where a hardworking GP can earn good money. Help is not the dreamplace to work for an ambitious GP. Help is the dreamplace to work for lazy averagelooking GPs who think money will be very easy when dealing with overpaying gringos.

* This year there is fewer gringos going to Rio. That's another reason for GPs to choose to work outside Copa.

* Brazil is a giant country. There are plenty of options where a GP could work without leaving Brazil.

* Face it, the average quality at Help has never been very good.I totally agree with you Sperto, if I want an average looking gdp, I will go to centro, try 4 or 5 in a day in ba 85, then arange for the whole night. Generally about 100 reals. But also they will generally be better performers than the copa ones. In my opinion there are 4 classes off women in help.

1. The girls who come back for summer. Mainly from europe to see there families and as with all gdp's, they all need to make more money. These women you will rarley see out front at ta or mp. They will arrive about 12 to 12:30, go straight in, and they have there price in there head. Some off these girls will even work at the termas before hand.

2. The university girls, who come from all over brazil to make extra money during there breaks from uni.

3. Terma girls looking for more work.

4. The mp, ta lazy average looking women, who 80% will try it on in regards to time, amount off sex (ie. 1, 2 or 3 times, whatever is aranged). Alot off these women will all off a sudden get a phone call and want to go, blaming it in there children etc.

Btw. Does anyone know when the university holidays fall in Brazil?

Lorenzo
04-16-08, 16:55
Rio Bob morphed into Sangue Bon. I like your new name.
Keep up your good reports. :)
Sperto is right. For those who haven't yet figured it out, Sangue Bon is Rio Bob's new screen name.

This handle is a head scratcher. It's not Portuguese, Spanish, French, Italian, or any language I recognize. Rather, it seems to be a combination of a Portuguese or Italian noun (sangue=blood) with a French adjective (bon=good). "Good blood?" Perhaps Sangue Bon himself would care to enlighten us?

L

Sperto
04-16-08, 19:02
This handle is a head scratcher. It's not Portuguese, Spanish, French, Italian, or any language I recognize. Rather, it seems to be a combination of a Portuguese or Italian noun (sangue=blood) with a French adjective (bon=good). "Good blood?"
I think it's meant to be "Sangue Bom", Good blood/Good Heritage.
Maybe he's a fan of Bon Jovi?

Rio Bob
04-16-08, 22:32
Btw. Does anyone know when the university holidays fall in Brazil?

Yes good question, my last time to Rio I dated 2 University Professoras and they were on Holiday for weeks, it usually ends right after Carnaval and might start sometime in mid December.

I also met a group of young girls at TA and Help from Brasilia, they were on the same Holiday, they were great had a dupla with them, I wouldn't have met them if they weren't on holiday. I usually try to make one of my trips each year during this timeframe.

They also have one from July 15 to Aug 1st, I just Instant message one of my Professoras, she told me.

Sangue Bon is giria, slang, good guy, it was given no mystery.

Bobo5
04-16-08, 23:44
2PM is when 4x4 opens.

thank You guys! always willing to help.

I am going there tomorrow, will report asap

BB5

Rss910
04-18-08, 23:42
Just wondering...how often you all get girls crying because they supposedly like you so much etc, etc. Me and 2 friends of mine had all instances where gdp's "liked" them so much they began crying when it was time for us to go home. All of us stayed with the gdp's for more than one time and for an extended period of time. All were from Help. Obviously it's a show, but can these girls really shed legitimate tears on command?

JohnnyBraz
04-19-08, 08:30
Just wondering...how often you all get girls crying because they supposedly like you so much etc, etc. Me and 2 friends of mine had all instances where gdp's "liked" them so much they began crying when it was time for us to go home. All of us stayed with the gdp's for more than one time and for an extended period of time. All were from Help. Obviously it's a show, but can these girls really shed legitimate tears on command?Well I can't say that it has ever happened with me, but then again I like to have 4 or 5 different women per day. I don't go to Rio to get tied down by one GDP.

Misinformation
04-19-08, 10:41
Really. Are you serious?


Just wondering...how often you all get girls crying because they supposedly like you so much etc, etc. Me and 2 friends of mine had all instances where gdp's "liked" them so much they began crying when it was time for us to go home. All of us stayed with the gdp's for more than one time and for an extended period of time. All were from Help. Obviously it's a show, but can these girls really shed legitimate tears on command?

Jesuscola
04-19-08, 12:40
Obviously it's a show, but can these girls really shed legitimate tears on command?

Absolutely. I have several GdP friends who have told me that they could literally start crying real tears at any moment they wanted to, no matter what mood they were in. I have had them tell me stories where they cried for someone, and it is SCARY to watch a girl laughing and telling you a story, then INSTANTLY crying, then LAUGHING about it all over again. NEVER believe something is legitimate just because the girl cries.

Watchman4400
04-19-08, 16:52
Brazil Lovers,

I have not been a member of this board long but I read it about everyday. I travel to Brazil on business and pleasure at least 10 times per year. Also, I have been to DR and Costa Rica in the past year. Somtimes I read the post and it does not seem like we are talking about the same country.

I read the post about how "bad" Rio is right now and how people say that the girls at Help are average and there are too many guys there. Well, I went to Brazil for the first time in 1986 and I have been coming pretty consistantly every since and I well say that things are not as great as it was back in the 80's but it is still great. My biggest complaint is the exchange rate, not the quality of the girls.

The very first time I went to Rio I thought I had died and gone to heaven but most of that was because I had never seen or been around women like that before in my life. It seemed like 100's of girls who would rate a 10 on anyone's scale. But most of that was me looking at the women through the first timer's rose colored glasses. I had a great time and the exchange rate was ridiculous so I was living like a king. However, when I went back the next year, I still had a good time but I did not think there were as many "new" girls that I would rate a 10. I remembered a lot of the girls and a lot of them remembered me so we had a good time. There were some new girls that I had to have and some girls that I seen before that I wanted to have again. And honestly, that has been my experience in about every trip since then.

I am not a huge fan of the Termas. The only time I go anymore is when I am in Rio with friends who have never been and I take them. I don't like them but I thing everybody should go at least once. I am in Rio right now with some friends who have never been here so we have hit, 4 by 4 and Monte Carlo. Both great places with really hot women, some OK women and some women I would not do if they paid me. We had a good time because we went early. By 7:30 there were so many guys with those damn white robes on that you could not see the girls. The ratio to guys to women was at least one to one and that is not a good thing in a terma. The rooms were so backed up that it took 20 minutes just to get into a room. When you add that to the fact that the prices are pretty much set then it all adds up to just an average night out for me. I know there are several guys on the board who hate Help and love termas but I don't understand it.

I have been in Help for the past three nights and it has been pretty decent. Not the best time ever but more than enough girls rated 10 for most guys. I was just here a month ago and last night I saw at least 25 girls that I have never seen before that were 10's on anybody's scale. I saw some girls that I have seen before that were 10's but I had never been with as well. I love Help because most guys there and they don't seem to care about leaving with 10's so the guys that want women like that ususally can get what they want. I have posted pictures of the types of girls I like and based on the repsonse in my PM box after I posted a lot of people agree with me that I like the hot ones. Last night I went to my apartment with a 10, I had never seen her before but she was not new because she knows some of the girls that I call my friend and they told me she has been coming about 6 months. SHe was great! As a matter of fact, she still in great because she in back in the bedroom sleeping and after I get done typing this report I am going back there and waking her up for a little mroe fun before I start all over for today at Meia Pateca. Just a typical day in Rio.

The purpose of my post was just to give a different view point on Brazil, Rio, and Help. FOr all you guys that don't go to the country as much as some of the rest of us please don't read some of the negative post and get discouraged about going to Rio because with all the bad stuff you here on the board, it is still a great country with beautifull women who can't wait to do anything you can dream of doing. Monday I travel to Brasillia on business and I plan to have a good time there as well. Now, with that I am signing off and going to roll around with my latest love!

Peace, Love and Happy Hunting!

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Lonzof
04-19-08, 17:04
just wondering...how often you all get girls crying because they supposedly like you so much etc, etc. me and 2 friends of mine had all instances where gdp's "liked" them so much they began crying when it was time for us to go home. all of us stayed with the gdp's for more than one time and for an extended period of time. all were from help. obviously it's a show, but can these girls really shed legitimate tears on command?

rss910,

these ladies are professional actresses. i picked up a very attractive gdp from helpee and she came to visit and cook on a couple of occasions when she could find me. since she had one of the best bodies on the planet (every time i visit rio i find a girl like this) i really enjoyed her company after visiting termas and centro casas. on the day of my departure, she took the cab ride with me to gru. the taxi ride back to copa was free because the driver was headed in back in that direction. while waiting in line at the airport customs, my gdp started to get emotional. i could not tell if it was real or just an act. just before going through the custom's door she reached across the roped barricade and gave me the tightest squeeze and the longest dfk ever. then she lowered her head and pretended to cry. i tried to raise her head to see the tears but she would not lift her chin. she then walked toward the exit with a dry face. hmmm, was i suppose to believe she was crying? probably so, but i did not fall for it. maybe i'm too cold, but we only stayed together for two nights and i was just another guy traveling to rio on vacation whom she has met and i find it impossible to have those deep emotional connections so soon and there was no relationship. as long as she is a gdp, she will continue to meet gringos like me.

will she miss me? of course, because i was income for her while we were together. think about, it's like any sales job... as a salesperson, your ultimate task is to find a good client... one that will do business with you, moreover repeat business and possibly refer some of their friends. a sales job functions the same regardless of the industry. gdps just happen to be in the sex industry.

brazil offers the best gfe in the mongering world (this is my opinion) so don't fall for the emotional crap. go home and plan your next trip, do not contact her and you will have more fun on your next trip. contact her and advise of your next trip and she will cling to you the entire trip and you would have wasted lots of money and time to get what you probably already have in the your own country.

"variety is the spice of life"

lonzof

Euro100
04-19-08, 18:02
All of life is a big theatre act! There is nothing less "real" about the GDP tears than other ones. The only difference of being in a "relationship" with a GDP and those back home is that everything happens at a higher pace and a much higher intensity. That is why I like to come to Rio so much.

If the rest of your life is a novel, then the relationships you can have with GDPs are short stories. Long novels, those with deep character studies, can get really boring. A good short story is like an executive summary of the main points, much more interesting and condensed.

So the GDP tears are real in my book, as the perfect ending to a really gripping short story. And next time I come to Rio I simply start another one.

euro (who is actually much more of a comic book kinda guy ...)

Ricker
04-19-08, 18:16
... Brazil offers the best GFE in the mongering world (this is my opinion) so don't fall for the emotional crap. Go home and plan your next trip, do not contact her and you will have more fun on your next trip. Contact her and advise of your next trip and she will cling to you the entire trip and you would have wasted lots of money and time to get what you probably already have in the your own country.

"Variety is the spice of life"

Lonzof

Great advice amigo! Colombia, however, gives Brazil quite a run for it's money on the GFE.

American Warrior
04-19-08, 23:14
Just wondering...how often you all get girls crying because they supposedly like you so much etc, etc. Me and 2 friends of mine had all instances where gdp's "liked" them so much they began crying when it was time for us to go home. All of us stayed with the gdp's for more than one time and for an extended period of time. All were from Help. Obviously it's a show, but can these girls really shed legitimate tears on command?

My take on tears are they are real if you see them, but I interpret the tears as a job. i have had GDP's cry saying they will miss me and to call the first thing when I get back. If you call they will tell you how special you are and eventually get to asking for money.

On the otherhand, I cry everytime I leave Brasil.

Mr Enternational
04-20-08, 01:02
Just wondering...how often you all get girls crying because they supposedly like you so much etc, etc. Me and 2 friends of mine had all instances where gdp's "liked" them so much they began crying when it was time for us to go home. All of us stayed with the gdp's for more than one time and for an extended period of time. All were from Help. Obviously it's a show, but can these girls really shed legitimate tears on command?
Boo hoo. I am really going to miss your money. Think of the people who lost money in the Enron scam. Less money = more tears!

Acenva
04-20-08, 05:16
On the last trip in March had 3 girls crying 2 locking them selves in the bathroom. Each telling me that they love me. One locked her self in the bath got mad again in the moring when I went to the soccer match (flemingo) with a different girl. I had another cry when we started having sex, because she said she was in love with me the first time she saw me a year ago. Wow did not realize love lasted that long down there.

When I get back in June I am going to give away an Oscar for the best act.

Jan 156
04-20-08, 18:08
Boo hoo. I am really going to miss your money. Think of the people who lost money in the Enron scam. Less money = more tears!

Errrmmm . . . Or the millions of domestic housewives who lose the services of a good hard-working drudge ( ie husband). Or a woman who cries when she loses her job and becomes homeless or has to rely on state benefit. Or the girl in Help who has worked her socks and last remaining reis off all week only to have a civil and promising gringo stolen by a colleague.

Most forms of 'love' are self-centred, admixed with varying degrees of affection. Don't believe the tears mean they love you in the way a non-GDP might, or the way a woman might love her offspring - but no need to demonise them as some cynical cash-extractor in heels. Mrs McCartney was much worse and she still deserves sympathy for being such a twat. <g>

Lorenzo
04-20-08, 22:55
....I know there are several guys on the board who hate Help and love termas but I don't understand it.....
Well, I'm one of these guys. I'll try to explain why I prefer termas:

--I am an early to bed, early to rise person. I know that people like me are a rarity among Brazilian mongers, but we do exist. The termas are one of the few places you can get laid at a reasonable hour, and in the case of the centro termas, during the daytime. Help! doesn't even start to liven up until after midnight, by which time I am sound asleep. The only other alternative for people like me would be places like Meia Pataca or Mabs, which are full of skanks and sharks. And I don't want to change my life style because I am on vacation.
--I hate to negotiate. I spent most of my professional life negotiating and bargaining, so that is like work for me. I like the set prices at the termas.
--The people who do the hiring at the termas, at least the better ones, have standards and weed out the skanks. Not all termas girls are 9s or 10s, but at least they are reasonably attractive, IMHO.
--Nearly every termas experience is a GFE. Not all, but most.

These are a few of the reasons. But hey, we're all different. If some mongers want to avoid termas and go to Help!, fine by me. It cuts down onn the competition, and I won't be competing with you at Help! either. I believe that's what they call win-win.

Lorenzo

Voyajer1
04-20-08, 23:58
By going to the Termas, you are, to a 99% degree of certainty, guaranteed a great time. The girls will do their jobs and try to satisfy you. They are bound by the rules of the house, there is someone (Other than her) in charge of the premises, they are not out there trying to get over. After all, for them it is easy money. I have spoken to many providers at the termas, and the really outstanding performers can make between 4K to 10K reals a month. In Brazil, that is good money. The good ones own property, invest, and are trying to set themselves up for life. The independent skanks that work on the streets, Mei Petaca, Help, agencies, or whatever they all have their own agenda. Whatever it is, it rarely involves taking care of you. If you have been fortunate to get along with an independent, congratulations. I would rather go someplace where I have no need to worry about, well, you fill in the blanks. For the money, the Termas are the Zenith of our hobby. Why would I need to settle for anything else? By the way, if she really digs you, you can see her on the side too. Now, what could be better than that? Independents just present a set of headaches I refuse to deal with. If there were all that, I wouldn't have to travel all the way to Brazil to deal with those risks. I would just stay home in the good old Sex Prison, USA. There are headaches like them everywhere you look. We negotiate and bargain with girlfriends, deal with their problems and attitudes, spend to money to entertain them, and you have no guarantee of satisfaction (Intercourse) after a date (Or dates). Here, In Brazil, you just want to go buck wild with no restrictions. I am not asking for much, but dammit, I demand to get value out of the event. No questions asked. My opinion, gents. Just a thought...

Well, I'm one of these guys. I'll try to explain why I prefer termas:

--I am an early to bed, early to rise person. I know that people like me are a rarity among Brazilian mongers, but we do exist. The termas are one of the few places you can get laid at a reasonable hour, and in the case of the centro termas, during the daytime. Help! doesn't even start to liven up until after midnight, by which time I am sound asleep. The only other alternative for people like me would be places like Meia Pataca or Mabs, which are full of skanks and sharks. And I don't want to change my life style because I am on vacation.
--I hate to negotiate. I spent most of my professional life negotiating and bargaining, so that is like work for me. I like the set prices at the termas.
--The people who do the hiring at the termas, at least the better ones, have standards and weed out the skanks. Not all termas girls are 9s or 10s, but at least they are reasonably attractive, IMHO.
--Nearly every termas experience is a GFE. Not all, but most.

These are a few of the reasons. But hey, we're all different. If some mongers want to avoid termas and go to Help!, fine by me. It cuts down onn the competition, and I won't be competing with you at Help! either. I believe that's what they call win-win.

Lorenzo

Benjoe
04-21-08, 00:09
I'm a termas guy, as well. Termas are fun and fascinating places to hangout. I have a great time and don't need to count the sex in the cabine as part of the equation.


Well, I'm one of these guys. I'll try to explain why I prefer termas:

--I am an early to bed, early to rise person. I know that people like me are a rarity among Brazilian mongers, but we do exist. The termas are one of the few places you can get laid at a reasonable hour, and in the case of the centro termas, during the daytime. Help! doesn't even start to liven up until after midnight, by which time I am sound asleep. The only other alternative for people like me would be places like Meia Pataca or Mabs, which are full of skanks and sharks. And I don't want to change my life style because I am on vacation.
--I hate to negotiate. I spent most of my professional life negotiating and bargaining, so that is like work for me. I like the set prices at the termas.
--The people who do the hiring at the termas, at least the better ones, have standards and weed out the skanks. Not all termas girls are 9s or 10s, but at least they are reasonably attractive, IMHO.
--Nearly every termas experience is a GFE. Not all, but most.

These are a few of the reasons. But hey, we're all different. If some mongers want to avoid termas and go to Help!, fine by me. It cuts down onn the competition, and I won't be competing with you at Help! either. I believe that's what they call win-win.

Lorenzo

Mangera
04-21-08, 00:24
Well, I'm one of these guys. I'll try to explain why I prefer termas:

--I am an early to bed, early to rise person. I know that people like me are a rarity among Brazilian mongers, but we do exist. The termas are one of the few places you can get laid at a reasonable hour, and in the case of the centro termas, during the daytime. Help! doesn't even start to liven up until after midnight, by which time I am sound asleep. The only other alternative for people like me would be places like Meia Pataca or Mabs, which are full of skanks and sharks. And I don't want to change my life style because I am on vacation.
--I hate to negotiate. I spent most of my professional life negotiating and bargaining, so that is like work for me. I like the set prices at the termas.
--The people who do the hiring at the termas, at least the better ones, have standards and weed out the skanks. Not all termas girls are 9s or 10s, but at least they are reasonably attractive, IMHO.
--Nearly every termas experience is a GFE. Not all, but most.

These are a few of the reasons. But hey, we're all different. If some mongers want to avoid termas and go to Help!, fine by me. It cuts down onn the competition, and I won't be competing with you at Help! either. I believe that's what they call win-win.

Lorenzo

Lorenzo, if it makes you feel any better, I am still in my 30's and I also like to be in bed by midnight or so. Occasionally I will pull an allnighter dancing or partying will a couple of lady friends.

Also, being that termas are only open until the midnight, I also like to get the termas girl # for a possible reunion at my place. They are free for action after work if they so desire. Termas and independents have their pros and cons. Thats why this place kicks major ass, there are several options are all sorts of preferences.

Watchman4400
04-21-08, 02:38
Terma Guys,

I guess I misspoke or maybe it should be misstyped but I "understand" why guys prefer termas, but maybe I should have said I just don't agree.

The beautiful thing about the internet is that we can come together and voice our different views on a wide range of subjects. I felt the need to make my post becuase I felt like the board was taking a certain view point about places like Meia Pateca and Help that was a little out of bounds. I am glad that the termas here and I think they serve a certain purpose. FOr example, guys that don't like to negotiate and want to get down during the day. I am glad it is there for you because there will be more seats at Meia Pateca for me and my friends.

The one thing that struck me about some of the responses to my post was that a couple of guys called the experience at the Termas "gfe. " This is another point where we have to agree to disagree but I respect your point. The girls at the Termas have standards to up hold and they need to perform to that standard but in my honest opinion that is a heck of a long away from what I would call a "gfe" experience. The very fact that you have a time limit kind of ruins that for me! Hey, I am not marathon man but occasional I do better than other times and there is nothing more frustrating than having someone knock on the door telling the time is up! In my 42 years on earth that has never happened with a girlfriend.

Additionally, there is nothing that will destory a "gfe" experience for me like a 20 minute wait for a room after fighting through all the white ropes to find the girl you want! But, like I said, I am not knocking the Terma experience at all, I am just trying to present the other side to the coin.

Peace, Love and Happy Hunting!

Acenva
04-21-08, 02:58
I would have to agree in part. I like to get up early get a run in along the beach, drink a capri, an acai, and head to central apartments and termas by 10 am if the weather is bad call in some of the terma girls before they go to work or escort services. I find some of your terma girls will come over after they close or before they go to work for as little as 150R. This way you can get your warm ups in early and end with either a terma girl or go to help.

Ace

Termas Time
04-21-08, 05:57
As my login name suggests, I am a big termas fan. The termas is such a unique mongering institution that I will always look forward to going back to Rio. Long live the termas!!!!

Termas Time

Sperto
04-21-08, 06:54
Ten reasons why I prefer Casas de Massagem in Centro instead of Help.

1. I like to choose the time to meet GPs. In Centro I can get sex at 10 AM. My regular non-pro GFs work during the day and wants to meet in the evening and sleep over. This makes it better to meet GPs during the day.
2. The price. The places I frequent in Centro charges between R$ 10-85. In Brazil I don't value quick sex more than this. At least not if you stay there for a couple of months at a time and meet regular girls.
3. No negotiating. In Centro the price is fixed. To get a good looking Help girl at a decent price (R$ 100) you'll have to negotiate very hard and be patient and maybe wait until 4.30 AM. That's not my cup of tea.
4. Saves a lot of time. A metro-ride to Centro and a visit to a good casa and I'll be back in Copa in no time. Also very easy to combine a casa-visit in between some shopping and a lunch.
5. No hazzle. In Centro you choose a girl, pay for the time and know what's included (BBBJ, anal etc). You get what you pay for. A Help girl can invent thousands reasons to leave after the first pop even if you agreed on a TLN.
6. Safety: Most Centro places are very safe, no risk of theft. Bring a Help girl to your place and you'll have to keep on eye on her and your belongings all the time.
7. I often go up at 5.30 AM to run along the beach. I can't combine that with Help visits.
8. GFE? If you pick a girl at Help you can dance with her, chat, take her out for dinner, shopping and pretend that she's your GF. If I pay for sex I don't have any need for GFE. GFE I get from my regular girls. (Note: You still can get GFE from Centro GPs).
9. Avoid confrontations. If I go for a stroll or go the beach, in Copa, together with a regular GF I don't have to worry about meeting a GP I f***ed the same day. That risk is much higher if I had sex with Help girls.
10. The quality and standard. If I drop in at a couple of places in Centro I'll very soon find a hot girl that appeals to me. At Help I might have to spend several hours before I find anything interesting.

Tjmee
04-21-08, 07:42
You know what would be nice for people who havnt been to a terma or seen one, what does one look like, if you have HELP pics thats would be cool too.

John Jay
04-21-08, 09:06
Ten reasons why I prefer Casas de Massagem in Centro instead of Help.

1. I like to choose the time to meet GPs. In Centro I can get sex at 10 AM. My regular non-pro GFs work during the day and wants to meet in the evening and sleep over. This makes it better to meet GPs during the day.

2. The price. The places I frequent in Centro charges between R$ 10-85. In Brazil I don't value quick sex more than this. At least not if you stay there for a couple of months at a time and meet regular girls.

3. No negotiating. In Centro the price is fixed. To get a good looking Help girl at a decent price (R$ 100) you'll have to negotiate very hard and be patient and maybe wait until 4.30 AM. That's not my cup of tea.

4. Saves a lot of time. A metro-ride to Centro and a visit to a good casa and I'll be back in Copa in no time. Also very easy to combine a casa-visit in between some shopping and a lunch.

5. No hazzle. In Centro you choose a girl, pay for the time and know what's included (BBBJ, anal etc). You get what you pay for. A Help girl can invent thousands reasons to leave after the first pop even if you agreed on a TLN.

6. Safety: Most Centro places are very safe, no risk of theft. Bring a Help girl to your place and you'll have to keep on eye on her and your belongings all the time.

7. I often go up at 5.30 AM to run along the beach. I can't combine that with Help visits.

8. GFE? If you pick a girl at Help you can dance with her, chat, take her out for dinner, shopping and pretend that she's your GF. If I pay for sex I don't have any need for GFE. GFE I get from my regular girls. (Note: You still can get GFE from Centro GPs).
9. Avoid confrontations. If I go for a stroll or go the beach, in Copa, together with a regular GF I don't have to worry about meeting a GP I f***ed the same day. That risk is much higher if I had sex with Help girls.

10. The quality and standard. If I drop in at a couple of places in Centro I'll very soon find a hot girl that appeals to me. At Help I might have to spend several hours before I find anything interesting.Hi Sperto,

Forgive my ignorance, but are Casas de Massagems the same as thermas? I have been reading back over TFF but there are just somethings I am not sure about. As always when I arrive in this godlike sex paradise (for the first time in July-can't wait! ) I will report all my sexploits!

Cheers,

JJ.

Rio Bob
04-21-08, 13:04
You know what would be nice for people who havnt been to a terma or seen one, what does one look like, if you have HELP pics thats would be cool too.

www.luomo.com.br

Check out Luomo's website if you're interested to know what a termas looks like inside.

Actually it looks nice from the pictures, I have never been inside this very popular establishment before. So you know my position on the current flare up.

Jesuscola
04-21-08, 15:04
www.luomo.com.br

Check out Luomo's website if you're interested to know what a termas looks like inside.

Actually it looks nice from the pictures, I have never been inside this very popular establishment before. So you know my position on the current flare up.


I think the 4x4 website is much better, personally.

http://quatroporquatro.com.br/