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Dan Hawaii
10-08-07, 01:16
On a more positive note - was the extra curricular trip (during the same visit to DF) to Lotus Lake Resort in Qiaotou where Dan Hawaii found a sultry little minx. Apparently she became well liked by the group for a couple of days. Ken brought back an English speaking girl that I had been with a couple of times but didnít want to tell him at the time. Now we can compare notes.


Yeah, she was a little hottie. Cute mannerisms and was a really fun and polite KTV girl. I got her from another KTV, because the KTV we were partying at had no talent. So I just bought her out for 500 ST and she was guaranteed that, no matter what kind of attitude she had. I was delighted that she was certainly one of funnest KTV partier in DG. Took her LT and thats where the story ends for me. :) But her CP adventure continued on...... :)

Fast Eddie 48
10-08-07, 01:56
There is a bus that goes from ZH to the edge of CP. You might have been to the wrong bus station. For how often the bus travels to CP, sorry I don't know. I took it twice, and then transfered to a local yellow bus for about 3-4RMB. I have also done the same because I didn't know at the time, from Zhuhai to Dongguan City then to CP, too long. See link below for more info.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=633449&postcount=3370To weeklock,

Cts have a bus that leave Hui mei at 8.45 am cost is 68 rmb or 115 rmb round trip to Gongbei and 6.30 from Zhu hai back to hui mei trip take about 2hr and 15 min non stop but the bus is old and seat are small , another option is cp bus stations across from the cp train stations 14 a day leave every 50 min from 6.am to 8.pm cost 70 rmb nice bus but it stop at Dongguan and Zongshan take as long as 2 hr 45 min and it go to shangzhou bus station in zhu hai and you need to take a taxi or bus to gongbei about 20 min.

Fast eddie 48

Dan Hawaii
10-08-07, 04:43
Anyone want to join up for my last night in CP, got a booking at Jia Yi, again. Jia Yi has the best amount of talent that is clustered up in one place. But Lion has to be runner up 2nd place. Lion seems to be a little cheaper too. Call my cell or PM me.

Kai Kai
10-08-07, 04:46
Hi All,

I just wanted to say "THANKS" for such a GREAT time in Cheng Ping.

I really had a blast with all of you and wish that I could hav drank more at the KTV but just can't sorry... :( Don't like it)) But I could have fun without it and being around friends and of course girls is all I need.. Heehee :)

It was great getting to know Dan, Andy, Jon, Jack, Max, Jackson, and some others that my mind went blank and if you know who met me I am sorry and let me know so we could stay in touch ok??

Hope to stay in touch and see you on the next trip..

2dare1

Dan Hawaii
10-08-07, 04:47
Ended up taking 2 in fact, but from the get go the mamasan had indicated to me that it was 200 for each and when the deed was done that was all the girls asked for (100) and when I gave them something for their taxi fare they initially looked confused and then very pleased to get it.

i did end up taking a girl there, you remember? I asked the price, she said 250rmb, so I turned around and started walking out, and she pulled my arm and said, ok, 200rmb.

This is the middle room of the 3 rooms.

Always ask the price up front, no matter what BBS stable you are pulling from.

Loso69
10-08-07, 09:10
Today, I went to a BBS in the alley to the left of the Hui Mei Hotel and picked a beauty called Lulu. When we got to my hotel, Lulu refused to let me take any pictures, so I escorted her straight back to the BBS. When I explained to the mamasan (in sign language) that no pictures meant no money, she suggested a different girl. Xiao Ching wasn't as beautiful as Lulu, but cute enough. When we got to my room... she refused to take pictures as well!

Back to the BBS, where I insisted on getting my money back (50 RMB). The mamasan refused. I wasn't gonna let the fucking bi*ch rip me off, so I picked up one of her shoes and walked away!

How much does a new pair of shoes cost? :)

Loso

Crazier
10-08-07, 09:52
Today, I went to a BBS in the alley to the left of the Hui Mei Hotel and picked a beauty called Lulu. When we got to my hotel, Lulu refused to let me take any pictures, so I escorted her straight back to the BBS. When I explained to the mamasan (in sign language) that no pictures meant no money, she suggested a different girl. Xiao Ching wasn't as beautiful as Lulu, but cute enough. When we got to my room... she refused to take pictures as well!

Back to the BBS, where I insisted on getting my money back (50 RMB). The mamasan refused. I wasn't gonna let the fucking bi*ch rip me off, so I picked up one of her shoes and walked away!

How much does a new pair of shoes cost? :)

Loso

Loso,

Be careful, China can be a dangerous place where life is cheap!

Watch where you going ( and do look behind you) when you visit with the low life people ya.

Best regards,

C.

Logos
10-08-07, 10:08
I arrived in CP last night at midnight from shenzhen airport, transportation arranged by AG (thanks again AG and hope to see you soon here).

I was immediately assaulted by a tenacious mamasan who hailed a pussymobile with 5 girls. None of them real stars but I figured that at that hour you can't be too fussy, so I took an 18yo 7 with an OK performance for 150 rmb.

This afternoon another one visited my room, same terms negociated in advance, but she was much better looking and gave an excellent performance. In the hotel I kept coming across my good friend Loso69 who ended up with an old shoe for all his efforts :-)

I'll go with Dan H and his gang to celebrate his last night in CP tonight. So far so good and CP certainly is up to its reputation.

ManonsanBoy
10-08-07, 10:24
Back to the BBS, where I insisted on getting my money back (50 RMB). The mamasan refused. I wasn't gonna let the fucking bi*ch rip me off, so I picked up one of her shoes and walked away!

How much does a new pair of shoes cost? :)

Loso


Keep out of the extreme low end, Loso. Life is cheap there. It is not worth the few dollars per f**k.

Old Mean Dog
10-08-07, 13:41
Today, I went to a BBS in the alley to the left of the Hui Mei Hotel and picked a beauty called Lulu. When we got to my hotel, Lulu refused to let me take any pictures, so I escorted her straight back to the BBS. When I explained to the mamasan (in sign language) that no pictures meant no money, she suggested a different girl. Xiao Ching wasn't as beautiful as Lulu, but cute enough. When we got to my room... she refused to take pictures as well!

Back to the BBS, where I insisted on getting my money back (50 RMB). The mamasan refused. I wasn't gonna let the fucking bi*ch rip me off, so I picked up one of her shoes and walked away!

How much does a new pair of shoes cost? :)

Loso


That pair of shoes probably cost her about 15-20 rmb, you should have taken the mama's shoes as well.

I gotta agree with others, don't push it so much. These girls are ok being a xiaojie in a city of xiaojies, but many do not like their photos taken due to the fear you will let others see them (think worldwide with ISG) to include someone who might know them in their hometown or someone connected to the police.

Anyway, I will catch up with you in a day or two, send me your hotel and room # via PM.

-CPE

Old Mean Dog
10-08-07, 13:45
i did end up taking a girl there, you remember? I asked the price, she said 250rmb, so I turned around and started walking out, and she pulled my arm and said, ok, 200rmb.

This is the middle room of the 3 rooms.

Always ask the price up front, no matter what BBS stable you are pulling from.


They often ask for 250-300 when a laowai rolls in, but will quickly drop to 200 when you start to walk out the door.

Hehehe, seems someone was paying attention at lunch! That also goes for taxi's and pretty much anything in China.

Safe Travels and I will see you back in a few months when you get stir (and pussy) crazy.

-CPE

Tigerman 2438
10-08-07, 17:34
Today, I went to a BBS in the alley to the left of the Hui Mei Hotel and picked a beauty called Lulu. When we got to my hotel, Lulu refused to let me take any pictures, so I escorted her straight back to the BBS. When I explained to the mamasan (in sign language) that no pictures meant no money, she suggested a different girl. Xiao Ching wasn't as beautiful as Lulu, but cute enough. When we got to my room... she refused to take pictures as well!

Back to the BBS, where I insisted on getting my money back (50 RMB). The mamasan refused. I wasn't gonna let the fucking bi*ch rip me off, so I picked up one of her shoes and walked away!

How much does a new pair of shoes cost? :)

LosoDear Loso,

Why create a big scene over petty things? You are unnecessarily risking your own safety.

I think these girls deserve some respect, however little it may be. They too deserve to salvage some dignity inspite being in a most undignified profession. Do not force them to have their pictures taken against their will. Since you care to procure their services, by respecting them a little, you are also respecting yourself. As was mentioned by another member, how are they to face their village folks and family members if their photographs are posted in the internet?

Tiger

Tigerman 2438
10-08-07, 17:49
Today, I went to a BBS in the alley to the left of the Hui Mei Hotel and picked a beauty called Lulu. When we got to my hotel, Lulu refused to let me take any pictures, so I escorted her straight back to the BBS. When I explained to the mamasan (in sign language) that no pictures meant no money, she suggested a different girl. Xiao Ching wasn't as beautiful as Lulu, but cute enough. When we got to my room... she refused to take pictures as well!

Back to the BBS, where I insisted on getting my money back (50 RMB). The mamasan refused. I wasn't gonna let the fucking bi*ch rip me off, so I picked up one of her shoes and walked away!

How much does a new pair of shoes cost? :)

LosoDear Loso,

Why create a big scene over petty things? You are unnecessarily risking your own safety.

I think these girls deserve some respect, however little it may be. They too deserve to salvage some dignity inspite being in a most undignified profession. Do not force them to have their pictures taken against their will. Since you care to procure their services, by respecting them a little, you are also respecting yourself. As was mentioned by another member, how are they to face their village folks and family members if their photographs are posted in the internet?

Tiger

Cowa Banga
10-08-07, 19:56
So I should stay out of Hui Mei section?

Loso69
10-08-07, 20:22
CPExpat,

I did take the mamasan's shoe. She was the one who owed me money!

I'll PM you my contact info.

Loso

Phil1980
10-08-07, 21:45
Today, I went to a BBS in the alley to the left of the Hui Mei Hotel and picked a beauty called Lulu. When we got to my hotel, Lulu refused to let me take any pictures


One possibility is to secretly tape the sex act with your camcorder.

While the girl is taking a shower place the camcorder on a chair in the corner of your hotel room, focus it on the bed and start to tape, then put a t-shirt over it, covering everything but the lense. Mostly she won't even notice that she is being taped.

Cowa Banga
10-09-07, 00:18
If Loso used a small digital camera, I dont think the girls would really mind.

However, I think he brings out his SLR which probably freaks out the ladies.

Justinya77
10-09-07, 01:02
Anyone want to join up for my last night in CP, got a booking at Jia Yi, again. Jia Yi has the best amount of talent that is clustered up in one place. But Lion has to be runner up 2nd place. Lion seems to be a little cheaper too. Call my cell or PM me.Wei Wei is a Hui Hua KTV girl that likes to watch Scary English language DVDs. She is about 5í 7" tall and has a stunning face, smile, and more than a handful of tits. She has a clean shaven haven. She can speak a little English which makes things nicer for me. She has a good heart and after coming back to my place and noticing the refrigerator was a little on the bare side she asked for an old T-shirt and some shorts. She then told me to go and watch TV or do something and she was going to cook me a meal. Nice cooking, she likes hot and spicy. She is extremely camera shy. This beauty has a small haven. MISH is preferred. Meal, sex, and a ride back home is the same cost as a ST for most KTV girls. 500.

After dropping off Wei Wei the driver was instructed to take me to Jai Yi where some of the ISG guys were spending their last night in town. I no sooner walked in the door when a tall, shapely beauty said Hello, (in English). This is not the stunning part. It is when they can carry on a conversation after that. Her name is Fan Ling Ling. She is willing to Normal sex and not so fond of BJs. I think this is just a matter of experience. Took her for a LT and enjoyed the night and morning after. Typical 800 for an LT.

Okay that was 3 for a Sunday (See and earlier posting yesterday). So After a long day at work on Monday I was not up to another late night at Jai Yi on Monday. Sorry Dan.

Old Mean Dog
10-09-07, 02:38
One possibility is to secretly tape the sex act with your camcorder.

While the girl is taking a shower place the camcorder on a chair in the corner of your hotel room, focus it on the bed and start to tape, then put a t-shirt over it, covering everything but the lense. Mostly she won't even notice that she is being taped.

Nothing personal Phil, but that seems very low. I will tell you what I thought when I read your post:

- In most civilized countries, this is considered against the law
- Prostitution is illegal in China
- You agree, as a foreigner, not to engage in prostitution, pornography, gambling or other illegal activities while in China when you enter the country

Now what would happen if the police and or customs stops you and finds these "secret" video tapes of you having sex with Chinese girls?

I have seen Loso69's photos, he always takes them with the girls fully clothed and they are very professional looking. Though I disagree with him pushing the issue and getting into altercations with mama's, I certainly would not want to be around anyone that degrades another person by filming them in a sexual relation without their consent.

I remember someone telling me about a guy who was taking sexual pics of a girl and posting them on the internet when someone who knew her saw them and told her family....the girl ended up dead.

Be careful of your actions.

My PoV,

-CPE

Loso69
10-09-07, 06:14
Just to make things clear. If the girl doen't want to take pictures, that's fine. It rarely happens in CP and it's an indication that the girl doesn't want to fuck a laowai. She simply uses the pictures as an excuse to get out!

If a girl refuses having her picture taken, I simply walk her back to the BBS and exchange her for another girl, which is no problem. In this case, it was the mamasan who was anti-pictures! The bi*ch is bad news!

BTW, as I walked off with the shoe, many runners and other mamasans had gathered in the alley. She was a laughing stock!

Loso

Phil1980
10-09-07, 06:14
Nothing personal Phil, but that seems very low. I will tell you what I thought when I read your post:

- In most civilized countries, this is considered against the law
- Prostitution is illegal in China
- You agree, as a foreigner, not to engage in prostitution, pornography, gambling or other illegal activities while in China when you enter the country

Now what would happen if the police and or customs stops you and finds these "secret" video tapes of you having sex with Chinese girls?

I have seen Loso69's photos, he always takes them with the girls fully clothed and they are very professional looking. Though I disagree with him pushing the issue and getting into altercations with mama's, I certainly would not want to be around anyone that degrades another person by filming them in a sexual relation without their consent.

I remember someone telling me about a guy who was taking sexual pics of a girl and posting them on the internet when someone who knew her saw them and told her family....the girl ended up dead.

Be careful of your actions.

My PoV,

-CPE



Well, first off I'm not posting these videos on the internet. Even though on my last trip to China I filmed about a dozen private porno movies of myself and different girls, none of them were posted on the internet, they are just for my personal memory and for use as jerking off aids.

Regarding the police looking through my baggage, then you could also ask what happens if the police raids your hotel room while you're having sex.

For my next trip to China I would like to buy a 3CCD HD camcorder before, so the videos will look like taken with a professional TV camera instead of a camcorder.



BTW, on either youporn or megarotic (free internet porn video sites) I have unintentionally stumbled across a video of our very own "sugar baba", in which you could very clearly see the face of the girl. I think somebody should advice this dude not to spread these kinds of videos around, to the point where hundreds of thousands of people watch them over the internet (to which the girls have certainly not consented), or at least use some video editing software to blur the faces of the girls.

Loso69
10-09-07, 06:35
At Yalan yesterday, I picked Wen Wen because she was smiling at me. I picked Xiao Ching because she was great last year. Xiao Ching was happy to take more pictures, as she wanted me to burn her a CD. Wen Wen wasn't picture-shy either.

But neither girl wanted to stay the night. Xiao Ching was on the phone and probably had another customer lined up. I don't have a clue what Wen Wen's problem was. Anyway, I sent them both back and exchanged them for 2 girls who were willing to spend the night.

4 girls came to my room. All 4 of them were sent back. And I'll keep sending them back if they won't perform.

I rarely had this kind of problem last year. I got way better service last year. After 3 days and 7 girls in CP, my conclusion so far is that the service level in CP has gone totally down the drain.

BTW, when the girls complain about my size, I show them a picture of a real "Ta Didi". :)

Loso

Cowa Banga
10-09-07, 09:13
Loso,

You have me worried now. I'm planning a trip to Changping and Zhu Hai for December. Hopefully, your luck improves.

Old Mean Dog
10-09-07, 09:52
Well, first off I'm not posting these videos on the internet. Even though on my last trip to China I filmed about a dozen private porno movies of myself and different girls, none of them were posted on the internet, they are just for my personal memory and for use as jerking off aids.

Regarding the police looking through my baggage, then you could also ask what happens if the police raids your hotel room while you're having sex.

For my next trip to China I would like to buy a 3CCD HD camcorder before, so the videos will look like taken with a professional TV camera instead of a camcorder.



BTW, on either youporn or megarotic (free internet porn video sites) I have unintentionally stumbled across a video of our very own "sugar baba", in which you could very clearly see the face of the girl. I think somebody should advice this dude not to spread these kinds of videos around, to the point where hundreds of thousands of people watch them over the internet (to which the girls have certainly not consented), or at least use some video editing software to blur the faces of the girls.

Having them in your posession is good enough for the police/customs agents here/there/everywhere and lets hope they don't confirm any of them to be minors.

It is also illegal to bang prostitutes in your hotel room too, but it would be much easier to cover this story up then trying to explain why you have a suitcase full of homemade "secret" porn.

I will never post another nude photo on ISG again, because one of our fellow brothers on ISG saw a photo of a freebie I did (without her consent) and told her about it. Needless to say not only did she want to kill me, I realized how much I had degraded her.

Anyway, to each his own.

-CPE

BTW: I ain't friends with Sugar Baba and I don't watch his videos.

Justinya77
10-09-07, 15:19
This is a place that doesn't think about getting people until after they eat. The girls won't show up until 8 PM.

This is strickly a locals place. I'm not a real local but I can at least appreciate a night of savings from time to time.

Best Drink prices Beer Buy 1 get 1 and not the little bottles of Tsing Tao, Wine Buy 1 get 1. Same price as other places charging the same price per bottle but making you buy 2 to get 1 free.

Girl Pricing structure - Siting charge 100.00, ST 300.00, LT 600.00
Audio and Visual Equipment (locally we call it "Hardware") 3 to 6
Room Quality 3 to 6
Food Quality and variety Fruit is fresh, Variety 2 to 4
Girl appearance (no evening gowns here fellas) (locally called software) 2 to 6
Girl Ages < 25
Performance rating based on the four I have been with 4 to 7.

This is definitely bargain basement KTV.

Wadman
10-09-07, 15:31
Today, I went to a BBS in the alley to the left of the Hui Mei Hotel and picked a beauty called Lulu. When we got to my hotel, Lulu refused to let me take any pictures, so I escorted her straight back to the BBS. When I explained to the mamasan (in sign language) that no pictures meant no money, she suggested a different girl. Xiao Ching wasn't as beautiful as Lulu, but cute enough. When we got to my room... she refused to take pictures as well!


Loso, you do not mentioned that any of the girls had explicitly agreed to let you take their pics. I am not sure why guys seem to think that pictures are included in the price. The girls may very well agree if you sweet talk them into it, but as has been mentioned before: it is a HUGE DEAL if their family and friends see pics of them on the internet, if these pics are in any way related to sex or prostitution.

Then there are the guys who take the chicks out for dinner, foot massage, etc. during the evening, bang them once and expect to pay ST.




Back to the BBS, where I insisted on getting my money back (50 RMB). The mamasan refused. I wasn't gonna let the fucking bi*ch rip me off, so I picked up one of her shoes and walked away!

How much does a new pair of shoes cost? :)

Loso

The Chinese have long memories, Loso. Not sure that was the right move.

Downunder96
10-09-07, 16:14
Just spoke to some dude from the counter via phone & was told that the rate during the Canton Fair is $398. I paid $328 back in Apr this year during the Canton Fair. They have my daye on record too. How do I get a corporate rate? I have stayed there 3 times a year & everytime for duration of +6days
Just don't seems fair!!. Any other 4star hotel with good internet bandwidth & not more than $330? Lucky, Hui Mei?
DU96

Traveler1234
10-09-07, 16:41
How do I get a corporate rate?
DU96

Corporate rates during Canton Fair useless, most hotels hike up their price and stick it to everyone :(

Cowa Banga
10-09-07, 19:58
Cpx,

I agree. If you are a western male who films or snaps away, you are playing with fire. My friend who is white has been flagged twice at LAX over the last four years. He goes to SEA three times a year. The two times that he was flagged, they checked everything and mean everything. I hate to say this, a single white male who goes to Asia alone is profiled as s-tourist.

Transporter
10-09-07, 22:52
The Walter across the street and Century down the road might be the only other ones that would come close to your requirements.


Just spoke to some dude from the counter via phone & was told that the rate during the Canton Fair is $398. I paid $328 back in Apr this year during the Canton Fair. They have my daye on record too. How do I get a corporate rate? I have stayed there 3 times a year & everytime for duration of +6days
Just don't seems fair!!. Any other 4star hotel with good internet bandwidth & not more than $330? Lucky, Hui Mei?
DU96

Old Mean Dog
10-10-07, 00:36
Just spoke to some dude from the counter via phone & was told that the rate during the Canton Fair is $398. I paid $328 back in Apr this year during the Canton Fair. They have my daye on record too. How do I get a corporate rate? I have stayed there 3 times a year & everytime for duration of +6days
Just don't seems fair!!. Any other 4star hotel with good internet bandwidth & not more than $330? Lucky, Hui Mei?
DU96


You gonna be SOL on this trip.

I saw in Guangzhou, that even the 7 Days Inn goes from 198 to 375 during the Fair. CP and all cities surrounding GZ jack their prices up during this time and are becoming fully booked.

People even stay as far away as SZ and Zhongshan and commute every day. The trains become overcrowded and transportation becomes a pain in the ass.

Good Luck

CPE

Soulman
10-10-07, 04:44
Hi CPE,

We met in Seibu with during mini monger convention 6 months ago with OAH, Csun, Pleasuredude among few others. Sounds like I missed some fun Tues night when OAH was in town.

What's the best way to head to CP? I went there with AG and Moody 2 months ago via train. They got the van taxi and ended up partying 2 nights in a row there. Returned to SZ hotel. Moody found cheap 150RMB private taxi rides back and so on.

But my Mandarin is [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor... WHat's the best way to come to and retrun back to SZ? In town till Sat morning.

Cheers

OldAsiaHand
10-10-07, 06:40
The China Hotel in GZ raises the rate from 500 RMB to 400 US$! If you are not coming for the trade fair, it is best not to come to S. China during this period.

Just my POV.

OAH



You gonna be SOL on this trip.

I saw in Guangzhou, that even the 7 Days Inn goes from 198 to 375 during the Fair. CP and all cities surrounding GZ jack their prices up during this time and are becoming fully booked.

People even stay as far away as SZ and Zhongshan and commute every day. The trains become overcrowded and transportation becomes a pain in the ass.

Good Luck

CPE

Old Mean Dog
10-10-07, 08:39
Hi CPE,

We met in Seibu with during mini monger convention 6 months ago with OAH, Csun, Pleasuredude among few others. Sounds like I missed some fun Tues night when OAH was in town.

What's the best way to head to CP? I went there with AG and Moody 2 months ago via train. They got the van taxi and ended up partying 2 nights in a row there. Returned to SZ hotel. Moody found cheap 150RMB private taxi rides back and so on.

But my Mandarin is [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor... WHat's the best way to come to and retrun back to SZ? In town till Sat morning.

Cheers

Take the train from Luohu Station.

-CPE

Bob Builder
10-10-07, 09:44
How about if someone bought some of these tiny new preferably HD camcorders and followed every foreigner in CP with a young gal in tow filming their great holiday. Then at the end of the stay sending a DVD to the hotel. How much do you think you could charge for a service like that? Or if the guy did not want the DVD to post it on a website where you could watch it free called something like cpattractions dot com.


Just wondering how anyone who can't speak any Chinese to expect using sign language with any degree of certainty that they are 100% understood. What, the mama and you have deaf realtives and did a course in international sign language or better yet you are all students of the late great Marcel Marceau!

I'M ROFLMAO!



One possibility is to secretly tape the sex act with your camcorder.

While the girl is taking a shower place the camcorder on a chair in the corner of your hotel room, focus it on the bed and start to tape, then put a t-shirt over it, covering everything but the lense. Mostly she won't even notice that she is being taped.

Loso69
10-10-07, 10:46
Cowa Banga,

Yesterday, I spotted Wei Wei (see last yearís post) at Jo Joís shop. She looked great with hair extensions. Like last year, she started sucking my dick before we even showered. She kept sucking until I shot my load in her mouth and didnít spill a drop. Wei Wei was the best fuck in town last year and retains that title! Good providers can still be foundÖ but are a lot rarer than last year.

Iíve only had 2 girls (out of 9) that provided great service on this trip. Only 2 girls would DFK, when it used to be around 2 out of 3. Last year, the familiar sign was enough to get a BBBJ. This year, the girls have to be convinced to give BBBJs. Pictures never used to be an issue. This year, some girls are picture-shy too.

CP isnít what it used to beÖ but I havenít given up on CP yetÖ

Let me know your exact dates when you have them!

BTW, flying to Sao Paulo, the cheapest ticket was via Dulles, Washington. I paid 100 EUR more to avoid setting foot in the land of the paranoid! US Customs will never get the chance to check my luggage!

Wadman,

Pictures are always part of the deal for me. If the girl wonít agree to pictures, Iíll send her back. In every city! In every country!

BTW, I have a long memory too!

Loso

Crazier
10-10-07, 13:23
Cowa Banga,

Pictures never used to be an issue. This year, some girls are picture-shy too.

CP isnít what it used to beÖ but I havenít given up on CP yetÖ.......

.................Wadman,

Pictures are always part of the deal for me. If the girl wonít agree to pictures, Iíll send her back. In every city! In every country!

Loso

Loso,

Do you speak Mandarin or any of the dialects?

When you say part of the deal, do you have the deal on pictures sealed before you take her out of the shop or only when you get to your room?

Is that agreed with you, the girl and mamasan before you leave the shop (and clearly understood)?

If your spoken chinese is weak, how do you know they understand you in the shop? Perhaps, you bring out your camera and show them you want to take pictures?

The reason I ask this is because you use the word "deal" (which should mean "contract" or "agreement" to most people) its a clearly understood agreement by all parties concerned.

In my opinion, if the agreement to succomb to your picture taking skills (which all of us appreciate) is not sealed in the shop, you are quite unfair to take up the girls time from the BBS to the hotel and back without compensation for loss of her time. Sure, your time is wasted too, however, you are the want who is deciding that the agreement has been breached.

If it was agreed, was it clearly agreed between you , the mamasan and the girl - as you know mamasan promise everything but its the girl who delivers the service.

Between last year and this year, there have been quite a lot of picture taking and the putting up of pictures on internet sites such as this is "public knowledge" to the point where some mongers even tell the girls they have seen their pictures.

So its no surprise to me that the girls have become camera shy over time as CP gets more and more popular.

If you are out selling your arse and someone tells you that he has seen your pics on internet sites labelled as someone's "f**K" in an FR, I am sure you would be camera shy too if you have family and friends to worry about.

Just my point of view and for discussion purposes.

Have a good time nevertheless.

C.

Dan Hawaii
10-10-07, 21:41
Was a hell of a fun time here in CP. Better than I could even imagine, even with many misses with girls, I got a 100% hit rate when it came to meeting new fellow mongering friends. This place is like Las Vegas, always meeting new travelers and seeing familar faces. What an awesome and unforgettable CP adventure.

I would like to thank Jackson for making this possible and all my new and old friends that I had the honor of adventuring with. It was defineately a highlight of my life.

AG
AG's friend Steven .... handle??
CPE
OAH
Oah friend Max
gentle Jim
Dronnin
Johnny Chan
Johnny Chan's friend Joe... handle???
-Ken...handle??
Mr. H
Asian Bleu
Fast Eddie
Wadman
-Mark....handle?
Jon SF...handle??
Andy SF...Handle??
Just in ya
Foreign..... Mr. Bond... Handle???
AZN Man
Andrew ...handle???

If I do not know your handle, please PM me.

Also, if I forgot anyone, I'm sorry, please PM me.

I forgot a main man, sorry ChargedRed. Thanks for taking us to Club Xinde. Was one of the most rocking nights in CP, partied with AsianBleu, his girl, and couple of CRs freebies, and some managers. Stayed till 4am in the morning with CR and a real party girl, not too mention she was hot as hell. The best GFE I have ever experienced. Was DFK, giving her hickies, and everything else imagineable without disrespecting her. Bought her out for 4 days. But the last night she got "girlfriendish" on me because I did not want to buy her a teddy bear. Had to let her go. :(

Dan Hawaii
10-10-07, 21:49
Just got back home yesterday and missing CP already. Was kind of a sweet and sour experience. Everybody knows what's so sweet about CP.

But, the bad thing about staying in CP so long is that you make friends so easily. And you make some great friends. And when you stay so long, you have to say goodbye to many of your great friends that leave before you leave. Not knowing when you will see them again.

Asian Bleu
Mr. H
Johnny Chan
Andy and Jon - SF

ManonsanBoy
10-10-07, 23:08
Take the train from Luohu Station.

-CPE


It may be useful to give detailed instructions on how to do this. This would be very useful for many newbies.

Cowa Banga
10-10-07, 23:11
Dan,

Does Chanqping blow away SEA or is just different?

ABCinLA
10-11-07, 00:24
It may be useful to give detailed instructions on how to do this. This would be very useful for many newbies.

Ok, I don't speak mandarin; but half-ass cantonese. What CPExpat is talking about is the big transporation complex across the street from Shangri La Hotel in SZ. As one walks towards the Hong Kong border (best at the lowest level in the glass enclosed side) you'll see a whole bunch of signs above you in both Chinese and English. Just search for the one pointing to the railroads. There may be both the long ride trains going to all parts of China plus the one ending just at Guangzhou. There are lots of signs in English so go to the Guanzhou train section and ask for a ticket to just Dongguan (one could bring a hotel card or a print out) only 40. You won't miss your stop as there is an electronic display I believe in English actually on the train. If one is observant its fairly easy.

Mikev0409
10-11-07, 01:34
Hey what's up. With the help of this wonderful ISG, I went to CP a week ago and ended up in Swan Lake. However I didn't like the way the mamasan picked the girl and forced her on to my lap. I wanted to check out every girl in the room more closely. Too late for that. The girl "assigned" to me was from sichuan. Oh my God she's so dark, not tanned but intrinsically dark. Her tits are very nice though, D cup round and firm, though I prefer really soft ones. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get a hard on at all. The more she bbbjs the smaller I got. LOL. I left after about 1 hour of unsuccessful struggle.

The price is exactly RMB250 for two hours including the room. The girl tried to fool me into paying RMB100 more. Transportation from SZ to CP: Dxxx train RMB40 each trip. RMB15 local transportation.

I guess I have to try hard to get used to fuck women without falling in love. My big problem in life so far.

Old Mean Dog
10-11-07, 03:32
It may be useful to give detailed instructions on how to do this. This would be very useful for many newbies.

I hate to tell a Senior Member this, but RTFF.

It has been posted a thousand ways from sideways how to get here. I really don't want to contribute to the mass of swinging dick Canton Fair mongers who will come here with deep pockets and spoil the market.

-CPE

OldAsiaHand
10-11-07, 05:15
Went into the place with Logos and asked him to pick a girl from the room on the left without the intention of really taking her. When the mama quoted 250 RMB, we complained and walked out. She did come running after us and agreed to 200 RMB, but we told her it was too late.

I don't know if this will make any impact on the mama, but we tried.

OAH





Sorry for not jumping in on this sooner. The mommy actually hung up on me after I told her 250 was b.s., and with the time being so close to our Jiayi appointment, there wasn't much else we could do. The next night when I was there she told me the same thing, and actually insisted that all three shops there were 250. I support the boycott 100%. Let her know the reason you are skipping her shop is because of her jacked up price. She'll feel the loss of business, even if it isn't enough to change her ways.

Dan Hawaii
10-11-07, 06:38
Dan,

Does Chanqping blow away SEA or is just different?
Well, SEA includes Thailand, which is a whole different animal than CP. Lots of commercialized sex and sex shows all around town. The girls are also very skillful in Thailand and very naughty naughty s1utty girls. If this is your cup of tea, then go get em.

CP is more elegant and subtle, well not that subtle with the freaking mommies hounding you from GZ to SZ. J/K. But it is a lot more subtle than Thailand. The great thing about CP...., it is easier to find innocent, shy, and fresher girls in CP. Not the used and abused girls of Bangcock; where their oysters smells like 2 week crusty oysters and it looks like twins just came out of them :) and where their oyster lips holds the Guinness World Record for girth.

Loso69
10-11-07, 07:54
Crazier,

Last year, I had 29 girls in CP. When we got to my room, I simply got my camera out and all the girls were happy to pose for 10+ to 100+ pictures.

I donít speak Chinese. I donít discuss pictures beforehand, either with the girl or the mamasan. Based on previous experience, I simply expect the girls to allow pictures (fully dressed). This year, that assumption can no longer be made.

Last night, another girl was invited to leave after refusing pictures. Her replacement loved the camera. Unfortunately, modeling was the only thing she was good at.

Loso

Logos
10-11-07, 08:01
I forgot a main man, sorry ChargedRed. Thanks for taking us to Club Xinde. Was one of the most rocking nights in CP, partied with AsianBleu, his girl, and couple of CRs freebies, and some managers. Stayed till 4am in the morning with CR and a real party girl, not too mention she was hot as hell. The best GFE I have ever experienced. Was DFK, giving her hickies, and everything else imagineable without disrespecting her. Bought her out for 4 days. But the last night she got "girlfriendish" on me because I did not want to buy her a teddy bear. Had to let her go. :(

Dan, nice to have met you in CP, you're quite the party animal.
Had a cute girl too during that last night together at jai yi. While I was saying good bye to her the following day, romatically holding hands while walking around the miraton area, who do we come across but your ex. She was kind enough to let me know her tel number... I confirm all the good things about her.

The following day as she had a bit of an "upset stomach" (she put the blame squarely on my...shoulders..) she came up with a lovely girl, a cousin of hers, interested in knowing how upset stomachs come about. Needless to say, I was happy to show her ;-)

Cowa Banga
10-11-07, 09:55
Dan,

Thanks for the reply.

Like you, I have Thai fatigue.

Changping sounds cool.

Macomatic
10-11-07, 11:30
I would like to say thanks for all the info provided to make our trip more enjoyable. The info here and the experience in CP has given new meaning for traveling abroad. Thanks Dan for taking strangers under your wing and showing us a time of our lives. Andy has a problem, I think he is still jet lag or just can't sleep because he misses CP. Either way, a trip to CP is in the works. It was nice meeting other members like johnny chan, cpexpat, oldasiahand, Dronnin, 2dare1(kai kai), Justinya77, and some other people I don't know screen name.

Bob Builder
10-11-07, 16:01
I think she will just keep trying with everyone cause lets face it some guys won't bother barginning or don't know the price and just pay. It must work or she wouldn't be doing it at all. I have read that her gals are nothing special, so why do you guys bother at all. You will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) her off for about 5 seconds. If she gets 1 monger to pay the extra 50 she wins. Just like the beggars / scam artist monks or schoolgirls who ask for RMB1 to buy bread. They asks 100s a day and most tell them to feck off but some do pay or they wouldn't do it. And yes they are happy to make maybe RMB x0 a day. I actually offer all the fake schoolgirls RMB10... to cop a feel that is, LOL.



Went into the place with Logos and asked him to pick a girl from the room on the left without the intention of really taking her. When the mama quoted 250 RMB, we complained and walked out. She did come running after us and agreed to 200 RMB, but we told her it was too late.

I don't know if this will make any impact on the mama, but we tried.

OAH

Wadman
10-11-07, 16:12
Crazier,

Last year, I had 29 girls in CP. When we got to my room, I simply got my camera out and all the girls were happy to pose for 10+ to 100+ pictures.

I donít speak Chinese. I donít discuss pictures beforehand, either with the girl or the mamasan. Based on previous experience, I simply expect the girls to allow pictures (fully dressed). This year, that assumption can no longer be made.

Last night, another girl was invited to leave after refusing pictures. Her replacement loved the camera. Unfortunately, modeling was the only thing she was good at.

Loso


Well, that confirms my worst fears then. For the girls that willingly let you take their pics, it's their (uninformed) choice. For the girls unwilling to do so, you are simply trying to bully them into doing so. Trying (as in asking) is one thing, but to send them back if they refuse is not part of the deal.

Maybe that's one of the reasons that the mamas and girls always try the foreigners (and especially laowai's) more. Because of things like this and misunderstandings due to communication.

Basher55
10-11-07, 17:08
I would watch my back if taking a mamas shoe, they for sure have long memory, not them you need worry about, is easy to bully them, it is who they know that I would worry about.

Fat Jake
10-11-07, 18:19
Crazier,

Last year, I had 29 girls in CP. When we got to my room, I simply got my camera out and all the girls were happy to pose for 10+ to 100+ pictures.

I donít speak Chinese. I donít discuss pictures beforehand, either with the girl or the mamasan. Based on previous experience, I simply expect the girls to allow pictures (fully dressed). This year, that assumption can no longer be made.

Last night, another girl was invited to leave after refusing pictures. Her replacement loved the camera. Unfortunately, modeling was the only thing she was good at.

LosoHi Loso dude,

I just wish to enlighten you that RMB200 for a shot is hell a good deal. needless to say that you re spending euro. Please do not expect pictures as you paid for the sex only. Grow up man. Don"t think that your RMB200 is as big as you can demand for the unexpected. Have some respect with these people and you shall gain respect from others. Guess after the olympics, you should probably lower down your expectation even further as RMB 200 would no longer be able to buy dignity from these workers.

Didn t meant to be that mean but just a piece of my mind.

Old Mean Dog
10-11-07, 19:36
I think she will just keep trying with everyone cause lets face it some guys won't bother barginning or don't know the price and just pay. It must work or she wouldn't be doing it at all. I have read that her gals are nothing special, so why do you guys bother at all. You will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) her off for about 5 seconds.

It makes us feel good?

As OAH said, she came running after them to take the 200 offer, which is something she hasen't done in the past. Of course she will keep trying, but as myself and others have said, her girls are nothing special. So, unless your dying to bang one special girl from her shop, just move on. There are many more girls who will accept 200 and if you have time, stop by her shop and do the same thing OAH and Logos did.

-CPE
Proud member of Mongers Union 2469

Jim Traveller
10-11-07, 20:40
I am in CP now and ready to roll until (Sunday Oct 14) - any one interested in joining me hitting the footies and KTV's please PM me.

Wizzy2007
10-11-07, 21:38
Hey guys,

I need your important advice.

Is it easier and more fun mongering-SW in sz than cp or vise versa?

Due to tight schedule I need visit only one City and not both next month.

Pleacs eif possible give detailed infos of the places to go as a must for mongering purposes. Exclude dangerous corners please.

Will appreciate your pointers so much that I will be obliged to post back my report

Wizzy

Kai Kai
10-12-07, 01:53
I would like to say thanks for all the info provided to make our trip more enjoyable. The info here and the experience in CP has given new meaning for traveling abroad. Thanks Dan for taking strangers under your wing and showing us a time of our lives. Andy has a problem, I think he is still jet lag or just can't sleep because he misses CP. Either way, a trip to CP is in the works. It was nice meeting other members like johnny chan, cpexpat, oldasiahand, Dronnin, 2dare1(kai kai), Justinya77, and some other people I don't know screen name.I really miss Dan, Andy, Jon, Justin, Johnny, Ronnie, etc. I hope we can all get together again soon. Maybe I will learn how to drink more. Heehee Take care and stay in touch. Kai Kai

Phil1980
10-12-07, 02:43
For the girls unwilling to do so, you are simply trying to bully them into doing so.


As I wrote already, how about taping them secretly by hiding the camcorder in the hotel room under a T-shirt and then NOT publishing the video you took, since she didn't consent to being filmed.

This way nobody has a disadvantage, since the girl never knows she is being filmed and the film isn't published, so she has no potential repercussion.

Phil1980
10-12-07, 02:46
I actually offer all the fake schoolgirls RMB10... to cop a feel that is, LOL.



Are there any pretty ones you have met? Most of the beggars appear to be old men.

Once a young well-dressed couple asked me for money on the street and I offered the girl 20RMB if she gave me a blowjob, to which she did not consent.

Crazier
10-12-07, 03:41
as i wrote already, how about taping them secretly by hiding the camcorder in the hotel room under a t-shirt and then not publishing the video you took, since she didn't consent to being filmed.

this way nobody has a disadvantage, since the girl never knows she is being filmed and the film isn't published, so she has no potential repercussion.

phil1980,

it's really not "kosher" even if its for your private consumption.

just work it the other way, if the girl was doing the same taping for her own keeps in secret, how would you feel.

sure they are "p*********s" but, they do still have rights. in fact in some western economies, they are a recognised profession and pay their rightful tax too. just because they are deemed the "low life" does not mean they should be further degraded as human beings.


no, i am no championing their cause. chinese *****s are the most commercial in the world and the law of supply and demand is the major consideration. overall, right now, they still deliver for me great value overall and even when they are faking it, a few of them deserve the oscar for the role they play.

the demand in cp has increased significantly and many of the girls are also learning fast that they would appear on the internet quick enough if they allowed their photos to be taken. the "grapevine" with qq etc and mobile messages and calls ensure that nothing is a secret anymore.

best to save everybody's time and ask if you want photos cos taking a walk or taxi back to the room to discover that photos are not on the agenda is not a great way to waste your valuable time, not in my thinking. it's now 2007/8, 2006 was a long time ago!

a hidden camera, well that is actually "criminal" ya!

c.

Phil1980
10-12-07, 04:02
Phil1980,

A hidden camera, well that is actually "criminal" ya!

C.


From what I know hiring a prostitute in China is "criminal".

Weelock
10-12-07, 06:18
As I wrote already, how about taping them secretly by hiding the camcorder in the hotel room under a T-shirt and then NOT publishing the video you took, since she didn't consent to being filmed.

This way nobody has a disadvantage, since the girl never knows she is being filmed and the film isn't published, so she has no potential repercussion.

I would said this is possible filming her and not telling. The only problem I see if you have a wife or girlfriend. One day she finds and pops in the video and watches it. Try to explain who are these girls having sex with you. The other possibility is someone stealing them and selling them. In about two weeks you will be seen naked on the Internet. It happened to both Pamela Anderson and Paris Hilton.

Old Mean Dog
10-12-07, 06:37
From what I know hiring a prostitute in China is "criminal".

Prostitution is illegal in China.

So, my question to you once again is why would you want to tote around a suitcase full of secret "homemade" porn? Maybe you won't ever get caught, but there is still that chance and that would certainly fuck up your day.

Personally, I find it wrong to do something to someone without their consent and/or knowledge. These girls risk a lot to make money to include shunning, beating and possible death from family, if they were to find out.

If you want to take photos and or video, just ask them if they will. Loso69 insists on photos (very professional and fully clothed), though I do not agree with his current tactics, he is still open about what he wants. I think it would probably create less stress for him if he asked the girl at the shop if it was ok first, but at least somewhere in the transaction, he tells them and a professional snap of a fully clothed girl is much safer than a video of a prostitute and her john in a sexual situation.

Regards,

-CPE

Phil1980
10-12-07, 08:13
So, my question to you once again is why would you want to tote around a suitcase full of secret "homemade" porn? Maybe you won't ever get caught, but there is still that chance and that would certainly fuck up your day.




Well, if you don't want tapes of your sex acts, that's fine with me. I like to have videos of myself having sex with Chinese girls.

BTW, increasingly there is no need for tapes anymore. I might buy a Sony HDR-SR8 for my next China trip, a tapeless hard disk camcorder.

Weelock
10-12-07, 08:26
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If you want to take photos and or video, just ask them if they will. Loso69 insists on photos (very professional and fully clothed), though I do not agree with his current tactics, he is still open about what he wants. I think it would probably create less stress for him if he asked the girl at the shop if it was ok first, but at least somewhere in the transaction, he tells them and a professional snap of a fully clothed girl is much safer than a video of a prostitute and her john in a sexual situation.

Regards,

-CPE

Loso69:

I agree with CPE. If Loso69 would ask first before taking out the girl, it would create less stress later. Asking first in Chinese and not in sign language to make it clear. If you don't speak Chinese, showing a camera should help. It's like asking the girl if she does BJ before you take her and NOT when you get into your hotel. Once in the room, then it's too late. Most Chinese girls don't do BJ especially from KTV's.

I remember ISG member "Cronin" took tons of pictures but he usually gave them a tip for the pictures. I am sure afterwards, she will brag about this laowai giving a big tip for taking her picture with her cloths on. On the other hand, if she finds out her picture is on a porn website, then she might want to kill you. I'm quite sure If she knew where her picture is going to be, she will refuse having her picture taken.

One of the reason they travel far way from their home is get away from people they know. They would never work at a BBS near their village or tell their parents what they do. They have to be very secretive about it.


I also remember reading about an ISG guy being sued by a girl a few years ago but I don't think it was in China.

A small note, SugarBaba videos are on other website illegally without his permission.

OldAsiaHand
10-12-07, 09:06
Wizzy,

All corners in SZ and CP are dangerous. I suggest you either RTTF or skip your visit to either city.

Just my POV.

OAH


Hey guys,

I need your important advice.

Is it easier and more fun mongering-SW in sz than cp or vise versa?

Due to tight schedule I need visit only one City and not both next month.

Pleacs eif possible give detailed infos of the places to go as a must for mongering purposes. Exclude dangerous corners please.

Will appreciate your pointers so much that I will be obliged to post back my report

Wizzy

Phil1980
10-12-07, 09:22
A small note, SugarBaba videos are on other website illegally without his permission.



Yeah, but he still put them up here for all the world to see, which the girls whose faces are shown did certainly not consent to. It's one thing to have private videos of girls, something else to publish them.

Weelock
10-12-07, 09:52
Yeah, but he still put them up here for all the world to see, which the girls whose faces are shown did certainly not consent to. It's one thing to have private videos of girls, something else to publish them.

I have never seen any of his videos but I have seen only a few of the snapshots. Therefore, I can't really comment but a great majority are NOT my taste. I would rate a 3 or 4 for the few I have seen. I would not waste my time downloading or watching most of them, sorry. If the girls / ladies knew what he was going to do with videos, in my opinion, most would have said NO. Since he knows the girls / ladies, there a strong possible of getting into trouble in the future. He could be sued by a few of the girls / ladies.

Loso69
10-12-07, 13:21
On a positive note, I had a blast yesterday!

Xiao Ping was cute as a button, had big, round eyes and a tiny body. She loved French kissing, gave great head and her tight pussy felt amazing to fuck.

Overnighter Qi Qi was a real tigress. Passionate French kissing, great BBBJs and a monster fuck.

Changping isn't dead yet...

BTW, I got plenty of pics. :)

Loso

One Wing Low
10-12-07, 13:45
But you asked for detailed infos before contributing anything, so you look like someone who would just take and not give...

Good luck.



Hey guys,

I need your important advice.

Is it easier and more fun mongering-SW in sz than cp or vise versa?

Due to tight schedule I need visit only one City and not both next month.

Pleacs eif possible give detailed infos of the places to go as a must for mongering purposes. Exclude dangerous corners please.

Will appreciate your pointers so much that I will be obliged to post back my report

Wizzy

Bob Builder
10-12-07, 14:34
The difference is not just looks with one main ability that a KTV gal has to be able to drink or die trying. Lots of hotties I know will not work in a KTV as they may have tried and can't put up with the hangovers and constantly being drunk. Also some KTVs charge gals a large deposit to start working there in case they walk off with one of the clientelle.

One of my regular Sa Wan KTV crowd was recently in CP at a KTV and said the gals drink like a fish. The guys in the room ended up paying RMB 800 each for the drinks as opposed to under 200 per head in Sa Wan.

Bob Builder
10-12-07, 14:39
Last week 2 buddies of mine shared a room and one used his camera phone to make a video of the other in action with a gal. The following night while at home his 10 yo daughter was playing with the phone and saw the video, then showed his wife. Even though it was not him in the video his wife was not happy.

I had to bail out another guy from customs with 10 dvds with soft core which were legal in Hong Kong. It cost me over 10k which he was informed was the exact amount of the fine they judged him. Funny that I had to pay it into someone's personal account.

Loso69
10-12-07, 19:38
Found another winner today. Xiao Nong has a huge pair of hooters and sucks like an industrial strength vacuum cleaner. Holy shit, can this girl ever suck dick! :)

I didn't have the best of times the first few days, but the last 2 days in CP have been great and have restored the faith. I'll be flying to Manila tomorrow, but I shall be back...

Loso

Phil1980
10-12-07, 20:26
I had to bail out another guy from customs with 10 dvds with soft core which were legal in Hong Kong. It cost me over 10k which he was informed was the exact amount of the fine they judged him. Funny that I had to pay it into someone's personal account.


Interesting to hear. Last time in China I bought several hard core DVDs from a street vendor, maybe I should be more careful next time. Never had any problems with luggage being inspected so far though.

Gualtier Malde
10-12-07, 21:02
Hey CP'ers!

I've got a weekend to kill in SZ (first time in southern China other than Hong Kong). As I've PMed a couple of folks, I'm going to try to head over to CP, stay over Saturday night. I'd love to meet some of you guys in person, PM me if you're gonna be out and about.

All my Shanghai buddies keep telling me to "go to CP! " Well, finally, I've got my chance! Hope to see some of you guys tomorrow.

GM

Logos
10-12-07, 22:09
GM, if you're in town for just the one night it's worth working the line up at jiai yi. Tomorrow's my last night in CP and I intend to do just that, it's quite mind blowing. Did it a couple times with fellow mongers. But that supposes you're in town early, say by 5

Depending on what time you arrive some afternoon activities are easily arranged. I'd be glad to be of service if nobody else is around. PM me your mobile.

Tonight I had the most bizarre and satisfactory experience of the week I've been here.

First things first, as there's a chronology to that story : yesterday I'd shot my load a couple of times first in the late morning with an all nighter and in the evening with an enthousiastic BBS girl respectively then at night I went out with Loso, who's always on the prowl for pussy and pics, to have a bite at around 1 am.

Loso was with his girl of the night, a junior mamasan cute as hell, while I'd sent mine back to her barracks after intensive artillery fire. Thus I was walking the streets by myself, which of course didn't escape the vigilent notice of the mommies hovering around the miraton/huwei area. I managed to dismiss them all (I was totally exhausted and almost falling asleep) except for one, who clung to us on the way out and even much more so on the way back, to the point of following us into the hotel lobby then -hear this- into the elevator, with a pretty soft smile and endless promises of bliss to come.

Loso was highly amused and he and I burst out laughing silently when some unsuspecting grandfatherly bespectacled chinese uncle walked into our elevator and had to endure a full frontal assault from the mommy. The guy stepped out at my floor so the mommy had a good look at his door for future reference. She then followed me to my room and wouldn't take no for an answer. She was too young and cute to dismiss rudely as I'd surely have done with one of the grannies, so I waited a while then another then another while she was organizng a parade of twosomes and threesomes she'd been organizing with her cellphone. After about 10=12 girls and 15 minutes I told her that was it, and after each refusal she'd instruct the girls to go and introduce themselvs to the chinese grandfather 3 doors away.

She finally conceded I wouln't give in that night. I did snatch a couple of pics during that long wait as she was in my room with me, those familiar with the area would certainly recognize her. She's 25, dressed fairly conservatively, very smiling and she never, ever, ever gives up.

I didn't know it yet at the time but the following day, namely today, I would be given the chance to test again the very limits of her professional dedication.

After a long day in Shenzhen to meet a chinese business acquaintance I got back into CP at around 9 pm. A bit later I got out to Jalan and picked a girl there for a 200 ST. The girl had such a great attitude I wanted to keep her on after the deed but to no avail, as she decided to give it a break at 12:30 or so and declined my offer to take her eat something with Loso and his girl. Thus same scenario as the previous night, the 3 of us leave the safe heaven of the Miraton and venture into the night to find some food.

Who do we encounter but the inevitable mommy who was so persistent the night before, with an even more dazzling smile. She asked jokingly whether she could join me for dinner, I thought, why the hell not, it''ll keep the other sharks away, and off we went, arms interlaced and happy as birds.

Now to be quite straighforward with your guys I must confess I had tried the previous evening to grope her a little and to steal her a kiss or two, part for fun (she is genuinely attractive), part to see at which point she'd lose her composure and whether she'd be pissed off enough to take off, which never happened.

Thus the entire evening during the meal duration I pretended she was the one I wanted, the only one, stroking her hand and holding her by the wait, while she kept extolling the virtues of this or that girl in her stable who surely would meet my high requirements so much better.

After we ate Loso and I split the check and moved out, he with his girl and me with the mommy, hand in hand. At that stage it was nothing but a big game, let's see how far this would lead.

After a while we're back in the hotel and she doesn't let go of my hand. To my surprise she steps into the elevator with us, without this time trying to push girls on everyone present. Loso and I wonder if this is for real, what would happen next.

Well let me only tell you that it did happen and that it was magnificent. To my astonishment she shyly unveiled a perfect body, thin and supple, she was in turn a tiger and a lamb in bed, and hadn,t obviously been shagged in a fair while judging from her all her moans and groans and unvolontary physical reactions. Apparently also very unfamiliar with laowai body parts, but that goes for a majority of girls here.

That pleasant surprise cost me way above the going rate (she asked for 500 and I gave them without reservations). Business is business, after all.

Dan Hawaii
10-13-07, 00:05
Cowa Banga,

Yesterday, I spotted Wei Wei (see last yearís post) at Jo Joís shop. She looked great with hair extensions. Like last year, she started sucking my dick before we even showered. She kept sucking until I shot my load in her mouth and didnít spill a drop. Wei Wei was the best fuck in town last year and retains that title! Good providers can still be foundÖ but are a lot rarer than last year.

Iíve only had 2 girls (out of 9) that provided great service on this trip. Only 2 girls would DFK, when it used to be around 2 out of 3. Last year, the familiar sign was enough to get a BBBJ. This year, the girls have to be convinced to give BBBJs. Pictures never used to be an issue. This year, some girls are picture-shy too.

CP isnít what it used to beÖ but I havenít given up on CP yetÖ

Let me know your exact dates when you have them!

BTW, flying to Sao Paulo, the cheapest ticket was via Dulles, Washington. I paid 100 EUR more to avoid setting foot in the land of the paranoid! US Customs will never get the chance to check my luggage!

Wadman,

Pictures are always part of the deal for me. If the girl wonít agree to pictures, Iíll send her back. In every city! In every country!

BTW, I have a long memory too!

Loso
Wei Wei is hot. My friend had her and she was a party little girl. We took her to a KTV and got her hella messed up. I heard she puked all night. Lucky for my friend that he did her before the KTV. Sorry Andy for getting her so messed up:)

I wanted to get her , but the next day, mama, said she was sleeping. Had to leave thereafter :(

Dan Hawaii
10-13-07, 00:09
Went into the place with Logos and asked him to pick a girl from the room on the left without the intention of really taking her. When the mama quoted 250 RMB, we complained and walked out. She did come running after us and agreed to 200 RMB, but we told her it was too late.

I don't know if this will make any impact on the mama, but we tried.

OAH
If everyone did that, she would defineately get the message. when I go back in early April, I'll give her a visit:)

Thanks OAH for your support. Sorry I missed you that Tuesday, was on my way back to reality:) .

Dan Hawaii
10-13-07, 00:14
Crazier,

Last year, I had 29 girls in CP. When we got to my room, I simply got my camera out and all the girls were happy to pose for 10+ to 100+ pictures.

I donít speak Chinese. I donít discuss pictures beforehand, either with the girl or the mamasan. Based on previous experience, I simply expect the girls to allow pictures (fully dressed). This year, that assumption can no longer be made.

Last night, another girl was invited to leave after refusing pictures. Her replacement loved the camera. Unfortunately, modeling was the only thing she was good at.

Loso
i don't want to get into the debate of picture taking, but I do believe that permission by the girl needs to be made. In my experience of fully clothed picture taking, I had only a small percentage of denies. I take pictures, because it helps me remember girls that I had fun with. I stayed so long and had so much fun with so many girls, i want to remember those good times.

Dan Hawaii
10-13-07, 00:19
Dan, nice to have met you in CP, you're quite the party animal.
Had a cute girl too during that last night together at jai yi. While I was saying good bye to her the following day, romatically holding hands while walking around the miraton area, who do we come across but your ex. She was kind enough to let me know her tel number... I confirm all the good things about her.

The following day as she had a bit of an "upset stomach" (she put the blame squarely on my...shoulders..) she came up with a lovely girl, a cousin of hers, interested in knowing how upset stomachs come about. Needless to say, I was happy to show her ;-)
Oh man, you had to tell me that you did her. Now when I go back to her, I will just remember your face. :( J/K . ..

I think I gave her that upset stomach with my dick:) She started to complain about her lower adominal pain after we had fun together. Or maybe it was the freaking hot/spicy Hunan chili covered lunch we had the prior day. This kind of food, main ingredient is not the meat, it's the chili peppers.

Dan Hawaii
10-13-07, 00:24
It makes us feel good?

As OAH said, she came running after them to take the 200 offer, which is something she hasen't done in the past. Of course she will keep trying, but as myself and others have said, her girls are nothing special. So, unless your dying to bang one special girl from her shop, just move on. There are many more girls who will accept 200 and if you have time, stop by her shop and do the same thing OAH and Logos did.

-CPE
Proud member of Mongers Union 2469
I agree. It is not only fun for you, but it also sends the message not to fuck with, us, ISG members. Yeah, it's only alittle bit of money, but it's the principle.

Stick it to all price guaging Biatches!!!

Dan Hawaii
10-13-07, 00:26
Hey guys,

I need your important advice.

Is it easier and more fun mongering-SW in sz than cp or vise versa?

Due to tight schedule I need visit only one City and not both next month.

Pleacs eif possible give detailed infos of the places to go as a must for mongering purposes. Exclude dangerous corners please.

Will appreciate your pointers so much that I will be obliged to post back my report

Wizzy

CP's catacombs is an interesting and entertaining place to monger. Cheap too, only 30 rmb.

Dan Hawaii
10-13-07, 00:31
I really miss Dan, Andy, Jon, Justin, Johnny, Ronnie, etc. I hope we can all get together again soon. Maybe I will learn how to drink more. Heehee Take care and stay in touch. Kai Kai

Hi Kai Kai, or should I say "2-can Sam" (beers that is). Hahaha, J/K. I think I lost everyones' email addresses when I switched out the China SIM card back to T-mobile. Damn.

I got yours and Jonhnny Chans, but Andys and Jons' are gone:)

Anyways, miss ya too. Hope to be back in CP in early April, 6 long months from now:( Counting the days. Hope you get your dream job. Hope Jonhnny and you can come during that time???

Dan Hawaii
10-13-07, 00:34
As I wrote already, how about taping them secretly by hiding the camcorder in the hotel room under a T-shirt and then NOT publishing the video you took, since she didn't consent to being filmed.

This way nobody has a disadvantage, since the girl never knows she is being filmed and the film isn't published, so she has no potential repercussion.
That's still kind of shady. I :( on that. Permission should be granted by participating parties. That's just "dick", no pun intended.:)

Dan Hawaii
10-13-07, 01:03
I would like to say thanks for all the info provided to make our trip more enjoyable. The info here and the experience in CP has given new meaning for traveling abroad. Thanks Dan for taking strangers under your wing and showing us a time of our lives. Andy has a problem, I think he is still jet lag or just can't sleep because he misses CP. Either way, a trip to CP is in the works. It was nice meeting other members like johnny chan, cpexpat, oldasiahand, Dronnin, 2dare1(kai kai), Justinya77, and some other people I don't know screen name.

Yo Macomatic,
same here, thanks for being a cool mongering buddy. Would've been bored without you and Andy. I lost your email, can you post it up for me , because your PM doesn't work. :) J/K . Hope to see you in early April?

As for Andy, working man, he must be having CP withdrawls, the only remedy is an IV drip of CP and taking Wei Wei twice a day:)

Kai Kai
10-13-07, 02:03
Hi Kai Kai, or should I say "2-can Sam" (beers that is). Hahaha, J/K. I think I lost everyones' email addresses when I switched out the China SIM card back to T-mobile. Damn.

I got yours and Jonhnny Chans, but Andys and Jons' are gone:)

Anyways, miss ya too. Hope to be back in CP in early April, 6 long months from now:( Counting the days. Hope you get your dream job. Hope Jonhnny and you can come during that time???Theres no way I'd pay 100 euros anywhere unless it was england and I knew I wasn't going to get messed around. Thats why I like s e asia, if its rubbish you can tell 'them to leave with there money and follow 2 steps behind on the trail of fresh girls. I can tell you now I've had euro girls in brum uk £25 and stunners for £60 so I wouldn't travel for the purpose of getting 'them unless they were cheap like lithuania or other such places, although I've not many warm hearted euro girls.

Old Mean Dog
10-13-07, 03:00
Wei Wei is hot. My friend had her and she was a party little girl. We took her to a KTV and got her hella messed up. I heard she puked all night. Lucky for my friend that he did her before the KTV. Sorry Andy for getting her so messed up:)

I wanted to get her , but the next day, mama, said she was sleeping. Had to leave thereafter :(


Seems Wei Wei is a laowai favorite. I have had the pleasure of her deep throating me a couple of times and she is, in my books the "Blowjob Queen of Chang Ping", plus she sports a sweet scorpion tattoo on her hand!

She doesn't work all that much anymore, only a few days a week, so either she's been bankrolling our money or someone is kinda looking after her.

-CPE

Loso69
10-13-07, 04:28
Seems Wei Wei is a laowai favorite. I have had the pleasure of her deep throating me a couple of times and she is, in my books the "Blowjob Queen of Chang Ping", plus she sports a sweet scorpion tattoo on her hand!
-CPE

A black scorpion and a red spider! But the girl currently sleeping in my bed sucks even better dick. And she has even bigger tits. :)

Loso

ManonsanBoy
10-13-07, 10:30
On the train from Luowu:

From the Immigration Exit same level, take the left hand side of the sidewalk outside the arrival hall, walk 50 meters towards Shangri-la Hotel. You will find the ticketing booth on your left hand side. You cannot miss it as there are many people queuing up for the tickets. Take the queue that display "东莞-东站, 广洲" Dongguan East Station, GuangZhou. on the digital sign above the counter. (I remembered that the sign does flashes the desination in English sometimes). Purchase a ticket for 40RMB and takes about 35mins. Make sure the train stops at Dongguan East Station because that IS the Chang Ping station. There is NO Chang Ping Station. Note: There are other trains that goes to Guangzhou bt does not stop at the Dongguan East station. From the Dongguan station there are many Mini Van taxis or even a taxi queue. Van Mini cost 20RMB (max) to get to Miraton or town centre. If you wish you can spend time negotiating with the driver for a fare of 15RMB. I recommend you take the Metered Taxi as they are Aircon and in better condition than the Mini Van taxi. Meter Taxis start at 6 RMB and cost total for about (max) 11RMB to get to Miraton. (YES it cost less!).

Although taking the train maybe fast but if you are traveling with luggage or does not speak a lot of Chinese, it may be too troublesome. I would recommend the best way is to have a private car to pick you up from SZ to CP. Cost is about 200RMB Return Journey is also 200RMB.That the same if you have the same private car to pick you up from SZ BaoAn Airport. Member Logo tried that in his recent trip and posted that he got in totally happy about the service. I use this options if I fly into Baoan or from SZ immigration (Both Huanggang or Luowu). The journey is about 1 hour.

However if you are coming from HKIA, I recommend you to take the Skylimo service which cost 220RMB and takes you across the border all the way to CP on an MPV (one stop after Shenzhen Bay immigration). The total time is minimum 2 hours.


This was provided by a officer and a gentleman

Basher55
10-13-07, 18:11
I am sure I picked her up off the street in GZ, great litle body, same tattoo as you describe, and great deep throating skills, also made me cum to quick as can ride and clamp cock with unbeliveable preasure!

Kai Kai
10-14-07, 04:06
Hi,

Once I get down to Duong Guan for the newjob, you will have to hook me up with this girl or maybe her friends.. I could use some cleaning around my apartment. heehee

Stay in touch,

Kai Kai


For those of you that have been in China for a while you know that just about anything is possible, if you have the time.

Home massage is also a nice thing when your feeling like you don't want to go out. There is a local place in Qiaotou town that allows the pure massage girl to come to your place to provide the massage. The fee is 40 rmb per hour compared to the 30 per hour at the actual hair salon. The girl gets 10 and the salon gets 30. There is usually a 2 hour minimum until the salon realizes you can't always spare that much time.

Was just visited by a regular who I have cultivated to provide extra activities for the normal price. She cooks, cleans, will do the laundry or anything else during the visiting time. It is my choosing. After she helped with the laundry today she realized that my loose trunks were shaped with an extra bulge. Knowing the remaining time was short she played and moved me to a comfortable position for a BBBJTC. I'll drop her at work now and then head to CP for some food and footie action. Total cost for 2 hours good quality body and house helping including the fee for the company 175 RMB.

Kai Kai
10-14-07, 04:10
Which place is Wei Wei working at? There were so many places I went to with all the guys lost track. Heehee

Kai kai


Seems Wei Wei is a laowai favorite. I have had the pleasure of her deep throating me a couple of times and she is, in my books the "Blowjob Queen of Chang Ping", plus she sports a sweet scorpion tattoo on her hand!

She doesn't work all that much anymore, only a few days a week, so either she's been bankrolling our money or someone is kinda looking after her.

-CPE

Fat Jake
10-14-07, 05:34
First day at CP yesterday. Went to KTV opp yALAN Hotel to check out the stocks. Pretty Okay with some goodlooking onces above 7. Took a pretty face in the afternoon for 200. Sorry can't remember her name. Service was nothing to shout about but overall was satisfied.

Went for dinner & footie at Hui Mei. Before retiring for the day after a long bus journey, was approached by another mummy opposite Yalan for another shot. After some persuasion from her, WTH , I gave in. Brought two WL over to my room.

Spotted Xiao Luo, a 19 yo with a cute face. She was very cool with a sweet smile. Took her for a ST.

Very accomodating. Good GFE. Allow 69. Good thing is, she is quite passionate when we were doing in. Thanks to the pill from the MLM company that my buddy gave me before the trip.

Will definately be back for her. Good Service . Very proffesional.

Schubba
10-14-07, 06:04
I will be in CP from tomorrow 15. Oct. until 19. Oct. I stay at the Hui Hau Hotel.

I would like to go to the KTVs (and of course also the BBSs). Is there anybody in this forum who wants to go with me - or I go with them?

Then I'll be very happy.

Donsat
10-14-07, 08:02
I am staying at Regal Palace Hotel, any Action in this area.

Let me were to go new in town.

Anyone want to visit KTV or BBS , email. I am in town from OCt 14 to 17.

Neuromancer
10-14-07, 16:22
Had a chance to check the place out, and all I can say is WOW. The lineup is somewhat overwhelming. Must've been at least 100-200 girls in the lineup. The girl I picked had mentioned that there were over 700 girls working the place (must have a ton of rooms).

While I was impressed by the sheer "shock and awe" in terms of quantity in the lineup, I have to say that the quality is about on par with the BBSs. I was also surprised that the mommy's were so pushy there, first time I've experienced a pushy mommy in a KTV.

Picked a skinny girl from Chengdu. Darker complexion than I normally go for, but looks I would put at a 7.5 or so, body about an 8.5. Was alot of fun, but my buddy was getting annoyed with her (she was a little on the hyper side). Couldn't get a room at Jia Yi, so after hanging out in the common area for a couple hours, took off. Was gonna go to that big disco across from Jia Yi, but it was only 9pm, it had just opened and figured it would be pretty dead. Anyone been? Looks very impressive from the outside.

Ended up going to a KTV down the road (next to the Hotel Versaille). Another impressive place - fake lake/dinosours in one area, had a stage with dancing girls in another. Room was huge. Discovered what a rip off it was when we got the bill. Came out to ~1000RMB, 580 for the black label (reasonable), 250 or so for the room (three hours I think) and the rest was food. I was expecting a bill of around 700-800 or so. What I got pissed about was having to tip the DJ girls. They were asking for 200 each, I gave the manager 100 for the both but they convinced the girl that my buddy was with that we needed to tip them more, so ended up giving them another 100 each. I didn't think they did a very good job and asking for 200 to just sit there working the remote control and pouring drinks is absolutely ridiculous. Actually thought they were more annoying than helpful. Won't be going back there again. I think we would've spent less money if we just stuck around and waited for a room at Jia Yi. From what I understand, it works via the "minimum charge" system and don't charge you directly for the room. Can anyone confirm?

Jellybelly
10-15-07, 03:11
Was gonna go to that big disco across from Jia Yi, but it was only 9pm, it had just opened and figured it would be pretty dead. Anyone been? Looks very impressive from the outside. My experience at the disco across from Jia Yi: book yourself a private room or make sure you don't have valuables on you. My friend has had wallets/mobile phones taken whilst in the common areas of the disco. The two occassions I went there, I have had alot of fun in the private rooms. The music is just as loud!

As for the pricing at the versailles and tipping DJ girls, stick to the advice of the seniors here: Confirm pricing before partying. At 3am in the morning when you are intoxicated, its pretty hard to argue your case if you havent already confirmed pricing. You can actually ask to not have DJ girls for your room and therefore avoid having to tip them. I personally don't mind having them there pouring the drinks and fussing over the music. Allows me more time with the important part of the KTV experience, and that is to enjoy myself with the sweeties in company.

Crazier
10-15-07, 05:09
Ended up going to a KTV down the road (next to the Hotel Versaille). Another impressive place - fake lake/dinosours in one area, had a stage with dancing girls in another. Room was huge. Discovered what a rip off it was when we got the bill. Came out to ~1000RMB, 580 for the black label (reasonable), 250 or so for the room (three hours I think) and the rest was food. I was expecting a bill of around 700-800 or so. What I got pissed about was having to tip the DJ girls. They were asking for 200 each, I gave the manager 100 for the both but they convinced the girl that my buddy was with that we needed to tip them more, so ended up giving them another 100 each. I didn't think they did a very good job and asking for 200 to just sit there working the remote control and pouring drinks is absolutely ridiculous. Actually thought they were more annoying than helpful. Won't be going back there again. I think we would've spent less money if we just stuck around and waited for a room at Jia Yi. From what I understand, it works via the "minimum charge" system and don't charge you directly for the room. Can anyone confirm?


Most if not all the KTVs in CP operate on a minimum expenditure per room basis which you can confirm before you agree to partake.

Since you said your room was huge, it is possible that the minimum charge was at least 1000 rmb in which case they charged you the difference between your consumption and the minimum charge. Why did you not ask.

For a small and medium room, only one KTV is mandatory per room and the NORMAL tip per KJ is 200 rmb; she serves you drinks and takes care of everything else in the room. For a huge room, there is normally a mandatory 2 KJs per room, however if your party is a small one, you could request to send one off when you commence and only have to tip one. Letting them both carry on means you pay for both with 200rmb tips each.

Heck, remember that the girls do not get a salary for appearing in your room to serve you. In fact, the KJs pay a rental fee for their uniforms for which they are charged monthly and if they don't get your tips, are they supposed to live on the cigarette air in the place and the drinks and food you ask them to eat while they are serving you?

What would you do if you were a KJ and the clients give you a pittance at the end of your evening? If you want to be a cheap charlie, or rather don't know what's expected, stay with the BBS ya.

Weelock
10-15-07, 05:23
Was gonna go to that big disco across from Jia Yi, but it was only 9pm, it had just opened and figured it would be pretty dead. Anyone been? Looks very impressive from the outside

I believe you are talking about Club Holiday Disco. I have been there three times. Itís 20RMB per person to get in. Before getting in you have put you stuff on a table and pass thru a metal detector.

The first time I was there, we sat close to the stage. Me and my date later moved, after finding out about the minimum for drinks. The bigger the table, like a table for six, the more drinks you have to order. We moved away from the stage closer to bar. I got a little pissed off at a girl ( waitress ) because she kept pushing us to order more drinks and I am not a heavy drinker. Then like all KTV, bars and disco, drinks are not cheap.

Yes very LOUD music. I had a call on my cell phone and went to the restroom. I barely was able to communicate. There is a dance floor where people dance mostly young people, barely 21. You can also watch the live stage acts,( singers ).

Neuromancer
10-15-07, 12:28
Most if not all the KTVs in CP operate on a minimum expenditure per room basis which you can confirm before you agree to partake.

Since you said your room was huge, it is possible that the minimum charge was at least 1000 rmb in which case they charged you the difference between your consumption and the minimum charge. Why did you not ask.

For a small and medium room, only one KTV is mandatory per room and the NORMAL tip per KJ is 200 rmb; she serves you drinks and takes care of everything else in the room. For a huge room, there is normally a mandatory 2 KJs per room, however if your party is a small one, you could request to send one off when you commence and only have to tip one. Letting them both carry on means you pay for both with 200rmb tips each.

Heck, remember that the girls do not get a salary for appearing in your room to serve you. In fact, the KJs pay a rental fee for their uniforms for which they are charged monthly and if they don't get your tips, are they supposed to live on the cigarette air in the place and the drinks and food you ask them to eat while they are serving you?

What would you do if you were a KJ and the clients give you a pittance at the end of your evening? If you want to be a cheap charlie, or rather don't know what's expected, stay with the BBS ya.Well, I blame my buddy for not clarifying the charges beforehand (just kidding, I know that you're reading this) since his Mandarin is far better than mine. The room charge and alcohol charge weren't such a big deal - sort of what I expected. The food was a bit steep (30RMB per can of sprite!) - my bad for not paying attention to the prices on the menu, just automatically assumed that the mark up from outside would be within reason.

Is RMB200 per DJ girl really the going rate? In my past KTV experiences, it was always someone else who managed the bill, clarified the details, etc. I was just told how much I needed to cough up at the end of the evening, so it's certainly a learning experience. For some perspective -

1) The typical girl's sitting fee is RMB200 correct? Of course, she has the upside of a few hundred extra if taken home. But seems like there's a significant difference in job description here which warrants higher compensation.

2) BBS's are 200RMB with the girl only keeping half of it.

3) The footie girls only get 12RMB per hour (so 200RMB equals 16 hours of pushing on some dudes feet).

Anyway, I just thought that <100RMB was a more reasonable number for pouring drinks, cancelling songs and standing in front of the TV so we couldn't see the lyrics. I prefer pouring my own drinks because seems like the concept of drinking whiskey with no ice, water or soda added is completely in-comprehensible and inevitably, my drink gets contaminated with non-alcoholic substances. Next time, I'll need to make sure that I kick them out of the room.

Tile Man4
10-15-07, 16:28
Well, I blame my buddy for not clarifying the charges beforehand (just kidding, I know that you're reading this) since his Mandarin is far better than mine. The room charge and alcohol charge weren't such a big deal - sort of what I expected. The food was a bit steep (30RMB per can of sprite!) - my bad for not paying attention to the prices on the menu, just automatically assumed that the mark up from outside would be within reason.

Is RMB200 per DJ girl really the going rate? In my past KTV experiences, it was always someone else who managed the bill, clarified the details, etc. I was just told how much I needed to cough up at the end of the evening, so it's certainly a learning experience. For some perspective -

1) The typical girl's sitting fee is RMB200 correct? Of course, she has the upside of a few hundred extra if taken home. But seems like there's a significant difference in job description here which warrants higher compensation.

2) BBS's are 200RMB with the girl only keeping half of it.

3) The footie girls only get 12RMB per hour (so 200RMB equals 16 hours of pushing on some dudes feet).

Anyway, I just thought that <100RMB was a more reasonable number for pouring drinks, cancelling songs and standing in front of the TV so we couldn't see the lyrics. I prefer pouring my own drinks because seems like the concept of drinking whiskey with no ice, water or soda added is completely in-comprehensible and inevitably, my drink gets contaminated with non-alcoholic substances. Next time, I'll need to make sure that I kick them out of the room.

You don't need any of them in your room. The biggest drunks are the mamasan and papasan. They are always in and out of the room looking for a free drink, free fruit and running the prices up. Also if the woman your with grabs your receipt , grab it back , she will sell the receipt for 10 cents on the dollar to her Chinese counterpart , so he can collect the money on his expense report.

Fuck them all and control your situation right down to the receipt.

Take care and be safe

tile man

Crazier
10-15-07, 18:39
Well, I blame my buddy for not clarifying the charges beforehand (just kidding, I know that you're reading this) since his Mandarin is far better than mine. The room charge and alcohol charge weren't such a big deal - sort of what I expected. The food was a bit steep (30RMB per can of sprite!) - my bad for not paying attention to the prices on the menu, just automatically assumed that the mark up from outside would be within reason.

Is RMB200 per DJ girl really the going rate? In my past KTV experiences, it was always someone else who managed the bill, clarified the details, etc. I was just told how much I needed to cough up at the end of the evening, so it's certainly a learning experience. For some perspective -

1) The typical girl's sitting fee is RMB200 correct? Of course, she has the upside of a few hundred extra if taken home. But seems like there's a significant difference in job description here which warrants higher compensation.

2) BBS's are 200RMB with the girl only keeping half of it.

3) The footie girls only get 12RMB per hour (so 200RMB equals 16 hours of pushing on some dudes feet).

Anyway, I just thought that <100RMB was a more reasonable number for pouring drinks, cancelling songs and standing in front of the TV so we couldn't see the lyrics. I prefer pouring my own drinks because seems like the concept of drinking whiskey with no ice, water or soda added is completely in-comprehensible and inevitably, my drink gets contaminated with non-alcoholic substances. Next time, I'll need to make sure that I kick them out of the room.

food = sprite???

KJs we use we normally give 200 each if they are selected separately from the KJ line up & if from a "team" with one more senior than the other, we give 300 for 2 and let the senior share it between them.
This level of tipping based on advice given to us by more experienced regulars to KTVs in CP since we have been going.

We do expect our KJs to continually inform us of our running tab esp if we get close to our minimum room charge etc. Further, our regular KJs have a standard operating instruction to check with us on all orders of any item by the girls in our room so that we don't get all sorts of items that we have not approved being ordered frivolously.

The KTV hostess (girl)'s 200rmb is spot on and if she is taken out, for ST, you top up with 300 more and if LT, another 300 on top of that.

Stop comparing what you give a KTV girl with what the BBS girls cost you.

The reality is that you are consuming the same "burger" from two different price structures and it's just "stupid". At times, the "burger" from the fast food establishment may even be truly better and tastier but, that's the name of the game. You go to a restaurant, you pay the going rate there, otherwise, go get your burger in the Mac!

Sure, the BBS girl is costing you approx 45 for the first hr and so on while she nets far less, by your calculations 12rmb per hour. She knows that too after a while and the prettier ones do end up either in BBS or KTVs either as WLs or KJs too. Demand and supply ensures that job migration occurs.

Sure, there are some who resolutely stay as foot masseurs without compromising on their personal morals and continue to work for the pittance that a foot masseur gets. Those gems are rare and believe me, mongers trawl the foot massage joints each day uncovering these gems and corrupting them with the temptation of MONEY!

As for your personal preference of how you like your drink served, even if you don't speak the language, all it takes is a simple demonstration of how you like your drink served and you will get it that way.
It may be different from how the girls like to drink their drinks (often mixed scotch or cognac with green tea) and a certain amount of your drinks will be pre-mixed as per their request.

You can give clear instructions that only what the girls drink are premixed that way and save your own agony! I do that all the time. Remember, you are in China and the KJs are used to serving the locals and the way the drinnks are consumed, your way is the exception and mostly quite unknown to them.

On TM's comments the mummies and freeloading others visit your room for free drinks and food, this is particularly true for the Amazon KTV at the Versailles Hotel locality, you can politely tell them to leave your room too! I do if I find them overstaying my hospitality.

Dan Hawaii
10-16-07, 02:58
Which place is Wei Wei working at? There were so many places I went to with all the guys lost track. Heehee

Kai kai
Yalan BBS, through the 7-11 wanna-be and up the stairs. Jo Jo, the young girl with braces, she has a younger sister helping out.

It was that girl that was with AZN Man, not Andy, sorry I got mixed up. The night we went to Yalan KTV for cheap wine and food.

Kai Kai
10-16-07, 03:11
I don't remember the wanna be 7-11.

I remember a store and going up stairs but I thought that was JoJo. The yong girl with braces?

I don't remember the girl with AZN Man. Hummmmm I must have drank that night. Heehee

Any pictures, can't remember.

Kai Kai


Yalan BBS, through the 7-11 wanna-be and up the stairs. Jo Jo, the young girl with braces, she has a younger sister helping out.

It was that girl that was with AZN Man, not Andy, sorry I got mixed up. The night we went to Yalan KTV for cheap wine and food.

Dan Hawaii
10-16-07, 03:17
Had a chance to check the place out, and all I can say is WOW. The lineup is somewhat overwhelming. Must've been at least 100-200 girls in the lineup. The girl I picked had mentioned that there were over 700 girls working the place (must have a ton of rooms).

While I was impressed by the sheer "shock and awe" in terms of quantity in the lineup, I have to say that the quality is about on par with the BBSs. I was also surprised that the mommy's were so pushy there, first time I've experienced a pushy mommy in a KTV.

Picked a skinny girl from Chengdu. Darker complexion than I normally go for, but looks I would put at a 7.5 or so, body about an 8.5. Was alot of fun, but my buddy was getting annoyed with her (she was a little on the hyper side). Couldn't get a room at Jia Yi, so after hanging out in the common area for a couple hours, took off. Was gonna go to that big disco across from Jia Yi, but it was only 9pm, it had just opened and figured it would be pretty dead. Anyone been? Looks very impressive from the outside.

Ended up going to a KTV down the road (next to the Hotel Versaille). Another impressive place - fake lake/dinosours in one area, had a stage with dancing girls in another. Room was huge. Discovered what a rip off it was when we got the bill. Came out to ~1000RMB, 580 for the black label (reasonable), 250 or so for the room (three hours I think) and the rest was food. I was expecting a bill of around 700-800 or so. What I got pissed about was having to tip the DJ girls. They were asking for 200 each, I gave the manager 100 for the both but they convinced the girl that my buddy was with that we needed to tip them more, so ended up giving them another 100 each. I didn't think they did a very good job and asking for 200 to just sit there working the remote control and pouring drinks is absolutely ridiculous. Actually thought they were more annoying than helpful. Won't be going back there again. I think we would've spent less money if we just stuck around and waited for a room at Jia Yi. From what I understand, it works via the "minimum charge" system and don't charge you directly for the room. Can anyone confirm?

Dj tipping is actually mandatory and is usually 200 each. Jia Yi is the same, and they make you buy a 25 + rmb dish or drink for every girl you have. As for the minimum, there is always one, depending on the room size, like Crazier stated.

However, I got the impression from a senior member, that at some KTVs, room minimums are consumable, and at other KTVs they are not. What it is meant by "consumable" is that the drink fees are deducted/allocated from the minimum room charge. At nonconsumable KTVs, they just charge the room fee and charge the drinks seperately which comes out to be real expensive. I do not know for sure, because the bill always comes in Chinese, so I let the chinese speaking friends look at the bill.

Any Seniors want to chime in???

Dan Hawaii
10-16-07, 03:23
I believe you are talking about Club Holiday Disco. I have been there three times. Itís 20RMB per person to get in. Before getting in you have put you stuff on a table and pass thru a metal detector.

The first time I was there, we sat close to the stage. Me and my date later moved, after finding out about the minimum for drinks. The bigger the table, like a table for six, the more drinks you have to order. We moved away from the stage closer to bar. I got a little pissed off at a girl ( waitress ) because she kept pushing us to order more drinks and I am not a heavy drinker. Then like all KTV, bars and disco, drinks are not cheap.

Yes very LOUD music. I had a call on my cell phone and went to the restroom. I barely was able to communicate. There is a dance floor where people dance mostly young people, barely 21. You can also watch the live stage acts,( singers ).
Also known as Club Xinde? Had some Go-Go dancers last time I went. Was good fun, but got to watch out for the locals, they steal, do drugs and fight. Go with caution, some seniors persuaded me to go with a local or not to go at all, because it was dangerous. I went with a Senior/Local, and had a shit load of fun, especially because my friend had some freebies and knew some managers there, and my date was all over me. So much DFK, I thought I needed a mouth condom, hahahahahahahahah :)

Dan Hawaii
10-16-07, 03:38
food = sprite???

KJs we use we normally give 200 each if they are selected separately from the KJ line up & if from a "team" with one more senior than the other, we give 300 for 2 and let the senior share it between them.
This level of tipping based on advice given to us by more experienced regulars to KTVs in CP since we have been going.

We do expect our KJs to continually inform us of our running tab esp if we get close to our minimum room charge etc. Further, our regular KJs have a standard operating instruction to check with us on all orders of any item by the girls in our room so that we don't get all sorts of items that we have not approved being ordered frivolously.

The KTV hostess (girl)'s 200rmb is spot on and if she is taken out, for ST, you top up with 300 more and if LT, another 300 on top of that.

Stop comparing what you give a KTV girl with what the BBS girls cost you.

The reality is that you are consuming the same "burger" from two different price structures and it's just "stupid". At times, the "burger" from the fast food establishment may even be truly better and tastier but, that's the name of the game. You go to a restaurant, you pay the going rate there, otherwise, go get your burger in the Mac!

Sure, the BBS girl is costing you approx 45 for the first hr and so on while she nets far less, by your calculations 12rmb per hour. She knows that too after a while and the prettier ones do end up either in BBS or KTVs either as WLs or KJs too. Demand and supply ensures that job migration occurs.

Sure, there are some who resolutely stay as foot masseurs without compromising on their personal morals and continue to work for the pittance that a foot masseur gets. Those gems are rare and believe me, mongers trawl the foot massage joints each day uncovering these gems and corrupting them with the temptation of MONEY!

As for your personal preference of how you like your drink served, even if you don't speak the language, all it takes is a simple demonstration of how you like your drink served and you will get it that way.
It may be different from how the girls like to drink their drinks (often mixed scotch or cognac with green tea) and a certain amount of your drinks will be pre-mixed as per their request.

You can give clear instructions that only what the girls drink are premixed that way and save your own agony! I do that all the time. Remember, you are in China and the KJs are used to serving the locals and the way the drinnks are consumed, your way is the exception and mostly quite unknown to them.

On TM's comments the mummies and freeloading others visit your room for free drinks and food, this is particularly true for the Amazon KTV at the Versailles Hotel locality, you can politely tell them to leave your room too! I do if I find them overstaying my hospitality.

Yeah Crazier., that was a Crazy post.

Stick it to the man!!!

Awesome post, i learned a lot from it. You write so elegant and straight to the point, no love lost. Yeah, true posting. I like it.

So when we going to get some Hunan food again? Coming back in April, and you??

Weelock
10-16-07, 06:25
Yalan BBS, through the 7-11 wanna-be and up the stairs. Jo Jo, the young girl with braces, she has a younger sister helping out.

It was that girl that was with AZN Man, not Andy, sorry I got mixed up. The night we went to Yalan KTV for cheap wine and food.

Has anyone had a girl with braces perform a BJ? Metal on flesh, it must be painful. Hopefully not too much hair gets stuck between the teeth. Just a stupid joke :)

AZN Man
10-16-07, 06:56
back to US and missing CP already. Debating a 1-2 day drop by early Nov when I have to go to Taiwan and Shanghai (Quick HK-CP stop over? Someone talk me into it).

Wei Wei that you guys are all talking about I believe is actually Fei Fei. That's what the mama told me. Nice body, but not as nice as what I imagined before she undressed. Very GFE experience from afternoon quickie before I let her start drinking with Dan and gang. I don't know what happened! She was drinking that night like she had a personal grudge against you guys!

Anyway, I would like to try her out again and get a full nights worth, but I would also like to try so many of the other girls there. From what she tells me, she only works Thurs-Sat. Because of her popularity, she has great flexibility with mama. she has a HK regular that comes in once a week and pays her 1k or more.

Have fun and don't ruin prices in CP while I'm away!

Kai Kai
10-16-07, 08:04
Humm,

AZN Man I can't remember her? Which one was she? Which night at KTV did you have her?? That is not the one Ronnie had before he left??

I can't remember.

I will be moving to Duong Guan, since I got a job offer to teach english. So if you go in November, I will be in Duong Guan. heehee A little closer to CP.

I sure miss all you guys and hope we can all get together soon.

I miss some of the girls but also want to try some new ones that Dan and others had. Heehee

Stay in touch,

Kai Kai


back to US and missing CP already. Debating a 1-2 day drop by early Nov when I have to go to Taiwan and Shanghai (Quick HK-CP stop over? Someone talk me into it).

Wei Wei that you guys are all talking about I believe is actually Fei Fei. That's what the mama told me. Nice body, but not as nice as what I imagined before she undressed. Very GFE experience from afternoon quickie before I let her start drinking with Dan and gang. I don't know what happened! She was drinking that night like she had a personal grudge against you guys!

Anyway, I would like to try her out again and get a full nights worth, but I would also like to try so many of the other girls there. From what she tells me, she only works Thurs-Sat. Because of her popularity, she has great flexibility with mama. she has a HK regular that comes in once a week and pays her 1k or more.

Have fun and don't ruin prices in CP while I'm away!

Old Mean Dog
10-16-07, 09:20
back to US and missing CP already. Debating a 1-2 day drop by early Nov when I have to go to Taiwan and Shanghai (Quick HK-CP stop over? Someone talk me into it).

Wei Wei that you guys are all talking about I believe is actually Fei Fei. That's what the mama told me. Nice body, but not as nice as what I imagined before she undressed. Very GFE experience from afternoon quickie before I let her start drinking with Dan and gang. I don't know what happened! She was drinking that night like she had a personal grudge against you guys!

Anyway, I would like to try her out again and get a full nights worth, but I would also like to try so many of the other girls there. From what she tells me, she only works Thurs-Sat. Because of her popularity, she has great flexibility with mama. she has a HK regular that comes in once a week and pays her 1k or more.

Have fun and don't ruin prices in CP while I'm away!

Maybe not the same girl. Wei Wei is the girls name I am talking about. Sweet ass body and BJ skills to make your toes curl. There is a Fei Fei in the same shop as is a Dan-Dan, La-La, Xiao-Xiao, Xiao Ming, Xiao Ling, hehe...so funny these names.

-CPE

Neuromancer
10-16-07, 16:32
Has anyone had a girl with braces perform a BJ? Metal on flesh, it must be painful. Hopefully not too much hair gets stuck between the teeth. Just a stupid joke :)Now that I think of it, didn't someone post a while back about doing JoJo? Thought it was impossible.

Neuromancer
10-16-07, 16:51
The reality is that you are consuming the same "burger" from two different price structures and it's just "stupid". At times, the "burger" from the fast food establishment may even be truly better and tastier but, that's the name of the game. You go to a restaurant, you pay the going rate there, otherwise, go get your burger in the Mac!

Sure, the BBS girl is costing you approx 45 for the first hr and so on while she nets far less, by your calculations 12rmb per hour. She knows that too after a while and the prettier ones do end up either in BBS or KTVs either as WLs or KJs too. Demand and supply ensures that job migration occurs.

Sure, there are some who resolutely stay as foot masseurs without compromising on their personal morals and continue to work for the pittance that a foot masseur gets. Those gems are rare and believe me, mongers trawl the foot massage joints each day uncovering these gems and corrupting them with the temptation of MONEY!
Agree with the rest of your post, so I've only quoted the above.

Comparing a KTV girl to BBS girl, yes, a burger is a burger and sometimes you don't mind spending $10 for a burger in the up-scale restaurant and sometimes you just wanna spend $1 for the burger from Mickey Ds. But comparing the KJ/DJ girl to a BBS or KTV girl is sort of like comparing a burger with that little sprig of parsley that you get with your high end burger doesn't it? Comparing apples and oranges, comparing squares with circles, you get the point.

And honestly, the KJ/DJ girl is closer to the footie girl in my mind, in that she is not "compromising her morals". As you say with the footie girls, the cuter ones migrate to better paying occupations, and so it goes with the KJ/DJ girl. I'm assuming of course that the KJ/DJ job description does not normally include going home with the customer? I wouldn't be surprised if it happened once in a while or even if it was common, but I haven't personally witnessed it so really can't say either way and I just assume that she will spend most of her working hours in a smoke filled KTV room.

Look, I fully understand that there are different markets with different pricing structures. I've been in the Macau saunas more often than I've been in CP, more often than I've been to BBS's in fact. The pricing for p*ssy is not my primary criteria when deciding where to go. Of course, that does NOT mean that I wanna throw money away and give a BBS girl 500RMB for a ST when the going rate is 200RMB.

My original point is that 200RMB tip for a KJ/DJ girl seems out of whack with the rest of the pricing structure in CP. Obviously, there's been enough feedback that it seems like that is the correct price, well, now I know better. My buddy had actually mentioned that that was the typical rate/tip for Shanghai KTV KJ/DJ girl, but then, that is Shanghai and we're talking about CP. Feels sort of like paying $10 for a burger at Mickey Ds.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Dan Hawaii
10-16-07, 23:58
Has anyone had a girl with braces perform a BJ? Metal on flesh, it must be painful. Hopefully not too much hair gets stuck between the teeth. Just a stupid joke :)
I don't think braces will get in the way, if she is doing it right and not doing it like she is eating corn, ouch. Hmmmm, to think about it..... maybe your balls might get a scratching. Just hope your balls don't get snagged by the train tracks. And the hair probably will get pulled, ouch. And you might see some left over lunch in your pubic hair, (hair like dental floss) eeeww :)

Might be good for someone who is into S & M. Hahaha

Sanco1010
10-17-07, 02:27
I am a new member here. I have been reading this forum for sometime now. I find it very helpful Thanks to all. I will be going to Changping on Nov 5-7, landing at Baiyun airport nov 5 around 10pm. From my last trip to changping, since it was almost midnight, it costs me 550rmb to go to changping. I've read somewhere in the forum the taxi fare should be about 400rmb. Can you guys help recommend a driver to pick me up for the cost of 400rmb only. Thanks for your help.

I recently subscribe a membership here in ISG hoping to few the photos that you guys uploaded (from your changping mongering trips). I tried viewing the photo gallery, but it was very difficult to look for photos of KTV, SPas, BBS, Girls from changping. Any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks.

Macauvisitor
10-17-07, 02:28
Is there a Macau section here? I'm going to be there Oct 27, 28, 29 and will meet up with anyone to talk business, women, whatever.

Me: Asian American, working professional. Spent 1 year living in Shanghai so my Mandarin is passable.

Dan Hawaii
10-17-07, 07:40
Agree with the rest of your post, so I've only quoted the above.

Comparing a KTV girl to BBS girl, yes, a burger is a burger and sometimes you don't mind spending $10 for a burger in the up-scale restaurant and sometimes you just wanna spend $1 for the burger from Mickey Ds. But comparing the KJ/DJ girl to a BBS or KTV girl is sort of like comparing a burger with that little sprig of parsley that you get with your high end burger doesn't it? Comparing apples and oranges, comparing squares with circles, you get the point.

And honestly, the KJ/DJ girl is closer to the footie girl in my mind, in that she is not "compromising her morals". As you say with the footie girls, the cuter ones migrate to better paying occupations, and so it goes with the KJ/DJ girl. I'm assuming of course that the KJ/DJ job description does not normally include going home with the customer? I wouldn't be surprised if it happened once in a while or even if it was common, but I haven't personally witnessed it so really can't say either way and I just assume that she will spend most of her working hours in a smoke filled KTV room.

Look, I fully understand that there are different markets with different pricing structures. I've been in the Macau saunas more often than I've been in CP, more often than I've been to BBS's in fact. The pricing for p*ssy is not my primary criteria when deciding where to go. Of course, that does NOT mean that I wanna throw money away and give a BBS girl 500RMB for a ST when the going rate is 200RMB.

My original point is that 200RMB tip for a KJ/DJ girl seems out of whack with the rest of the pricing structure in CP. Obviously, there's been enough feedback that it seems like that is the correct price, well, now I know better. My buddy had actually mentioned that that was the typical rate/tip for Shanghai KTV KJ/DJ girl, but then, that is Shanghai and we're talking about CP. Feels sort of like paying $10 for a burger at Mickey Ds.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Yeah, I agree that the DJ price is expensive and "it seems" their job duties do not warrant the high price. However, I'm pretty sure that the KTV does take a big cut from that. If you want to blame someone, blame the KTVs, they have all these little charges and policies to inflate your bill. Such as, fruit charges, tissue, VAT = 10% tax, Jia Yi makes you buy a 25rmb dish/drink for each girl in the room, and all other BS charges that I could not read in Chinese, etc... Furthermore, I know that DJs are responsible for cleaning up the room after the party.

They do eat all your food and drink a lot of your drinks, but they do keep you informed about your bill and are suppose to have you sign for new purchases. All KTVs have different policies that the DJs have to follow. I know for a fact that the DJs in Jia Yi watch the girls and report them if they do not follow protocol. Such as using a cell phone, they get fined and the DJ reports them. I guess they are like police, making sure that no pictures are being taken, girls are behaveing, everything is running smoothly, and things don't get FUBAR.

If you have 2 DJs, you can ask to remove one. I do not know if you can remove all the DJs , I doubt it, because things may get crazy bad.

Dan Hawaii
10-17-07, 07:59
back to US and missing CP already. Debating a 1-2 day drop by early Nov when I have to go to Taiwan and Shanghai (Quick HK-CP stop over? Someone talk me into it).

Wei Wei that you guys are all talking about I believe is actually Fei Fei. That's what the mama told me. Nice body, but not as nice as what I imagined before she undressed. Very GFE experience from afternoon quickie before I let her start drinking with Dan and gang. I don't know what happened! She was drinking that night like she had a personal grudge against you guys!

Anyway, I would like to try her out again and get a full nights worth, but I would also like to try so many of the other girls there. From what she tells me, she only works Thurs-Sat. Because of her popularity, she has great flexibility with mama. she has a HK regular that comes in once a week and pays her 1k or more.

Have fun and don't ruin prices in CP while I'm away!

Yeah, it's funny, I don't know why all my friends' dates want to challenge me to drinking games. Hmmmm? Like Andy's girl at Hui Mei, your girl at Yalan KTV, and my other friend's girl at Prince KTV, infact all the girls at the Prince KTV was at it with me. They were getting aggresive. Was fun, but they couldn't take me down. :)

She was hot and a fun party girl. I was surprised she was so fun. It is either hit or miss, but it seems like we were hitting with BBS girls more than KTV girls? All I know is ChangPing is fucking awesome!!!!

Actually, ChangPing plus good friends, make it fucking awesome!!!!

Dan Hawaii
10-17-07, 08:16
Is there a Macau section here? I'm going to be there Oct 27, 28, 29 and will meet up with anyone to talk business, women, whatever.

Me: Asian American, working professional. Spent 1 year living in Shanghai so my Mandarin is passable.
Here you go buddy, the Macau forum
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=241

I browsed through it, it seems the saunas are the main attraction, but there are some street walkers, and sort of BBS shops around. From what I read, you should buy a ferry ticket and sauna package to save some $$$.

Crazier
10-17-07, 08:48
Comparing a KTV girl to BBS girl, yes, a burger is a burger and sometimes you don't mind spending $10 for a burger in the up-scale restaurant and sometimes you just wanna spend $1 for the burger from Mickey Ds.

But comparing the KJ/DJ girl to a BBS or KTV girl is sort of like comparing a burger with that little sprig of parsley that you get with your high end burger doesn't it? Comparing apples and oranges, comparing squares with circles, you get the point.

And honestly, the KJ/DJ girl is closer to the footie girl in my mind, in that she is not "compromising her morals".

As you say with the footie girls, the cuter ones migrate to better paying occupations, and so it goes with the KJ/DJ girl. I'm assuming of course that the KJ/DJ job description does not normally include going home with the customer? I wouldn't be surprised if it happened once in a while or even if it was common, but I haven't personally witnessed it so really can't say either way and I just assume that she will spend most of her working hours in a smoke filled KTV room.

Look, I fully understand that there are different markets with different pricing structures. I've been in the Macau saunas more often than I've been in CP, more often than I've been to BBS's in fact. The pricing for p*ssy is not my primary criteria when deciding where to go. Of course, that does NOT mean that I wanna throw money away and give a BBS girl 500RMB for a ST when the going rate is 200RMB.

My original point is that 200RMB tip for a KJ/DJ girl seems out of whack with the rest of the pricing structure in CP. Obviously, there's been enough feedback that it seems like that is the correct price, well, now I know better. My buddy had actually mentioned that that was the typical rate/tip for Shanghai KTV KJ/DJ girl, but then, that is Shanghai and we're talking about CP. Feels sort of like paying $10 for a burger at Mickey Ds.



Most of the time, the BBS girls have higher mileage (per day) than the KTV girls overall if we take in girls who have been in the town for a while.

However, there are many new gems who are hardly a few days in the business appearing in BBS and for me, that is my personal definition of a gem. Then again, these newbies do normally need some coaching and leading by the hand with lots of patience thrown in.

Other mongers would prefer a girl who fucks them through the mattress with all sorts of "dirty deeds" performed along the way in which case a talented self taught newbie is hardly the way to go!

Also in terms of presentation and overall looks, the KTV girls do normally have nice dress sense (in civilian) with a few odd ones that come out looking like they walked into the wrong salon & rage store somewhere in outer space.

Both KTV KJs and Foot Masseuse do not have sex as part of their job description for sure. With a huge number of mongers with a fetish for "doing them" (including myself), I can personally testify that most of them eventually get into bed somewhere with the "wrong guy" !

The best indication that a girl is compromising her "morals" is her mobile phone! The more expensive, the more likely she has a financial sponsor be it long time or short time or a quick fling! But, don't let her tell you she does not have a mobile phone - that's probably a lie! Those things are so cheap these days within a week of beiing in town, almost every girl gets her hand on a "throwaway" soon enough.

For prices in Shanghai and Beijing, I have not personal experience so I won't comment on that.

The trick is to pay the right prices wherever you are but, to pay "significantly enough" on the occasion when it's going to make a difference for getting the non WLs (e.g. KJ/Masseuse/Shop assistant etc) to fall for you and warm your bed!

That's my take on that!

Crazier
10-17-07, 08:52
Looking to play a round of golf tomorrow or on the 19th in either Mission Hills or anywhere else convenient e.g. Phoenix etc. Please PM me urgently with your local mobile contact.

FL Wingman
10-17-07, 10:57
I am stuck here, is this hotel girl friendly?

How close am I to the action?

Wingman

Old Mean Dog
10-17-07, 14:15
Most of the time, the BBS girls have higher mileage (per day) than the KTV girls overall if we take in girls who have been in the town for a while.

However, there are many new gems who are hardly a few days in the business appearing in BBS and for me, that is my personal definition of a gem. Then again, these newbies do normally need some coaching and leading by the hand with lots of patience thrown in.

Other mongers would prefer a girl who fucks them through the mattress with all sorts of "dirty deeds" performed along the way in which case a talented self taught newbie is hardly the way to go!

Also in terms of presentation and overall looks, the KTV girls do normally have nice dress sense (in civilian) with a few odd ones that come out looking like they walked into the wrong salon & rage store somewhere in outer space.

Both KTV KJs and Foot Masseuse do not have sex as part of their job description for sure. With a huge number of mongers with a fetish for "doing them" (including myself), I can personally testify that most of them eventually get into bed somewhere with the "wrong guy" !!

From my personal experience in CP (and all other places I've been in China) for the best sexual and erotic experience, the FS massage girls at the high end joints are hands down the best.

KTV girls, though lovely to look at, can also be hit or miss and then your out 800 or more rmb. With a BBS girl, if she is shit in bed, then you only shell out 150-200 rmb.

If I am going at this with only wanting sex, I prefer the FS Massage, the girls are very cute and are trained to provide you a sexual/erotic experience. Normally a 2 Hour FS Massage is around 500-600 rmb and you get the works.

I've had good and very bad KTV and BBS girls here, it's kind of like a crap shoot. I also believe if you take the finest girl in the entire joint, normally the service is going to be minimual at best, all the guys choose her and pay her so she knows she don't gotta work that hard for the money.

I would rather have an excellent 7 or 8 rather than a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor 9-10.

My PoV,

-CPE

ManonsanBoy
10-17-07, 21:47
From my personal experience in CP (and all other places I've been in China) for the best sexual and erotic experience, the FS massage girls at the high end joints are hands down the best.

KTV girls, though lovely to look at, can also be hit or miss and then your out 800 or more rmb. With a BBS girl, if she is shit in bed, then you only shell out 150-200 rmb.

If I am going at this with only wanting sex, I prefer the FS Massage, the girls are very cute and are trained to provide you a sexual/erotic experience. Normally a 2 Hour FS Massage is around 500-600 rmb and you get the works.


-CPE

I totally agree. It is like fine dinning and Macdonalds. But seems like many here like Maccas.

Crazier
10-18-07, 00:43
I totally agree. It is like fine dinning and Macdonalds. But seems like many here like Maccas.

There's a place and time for each preference.

Sadly, some people only have one dimension!

Nothing like an array of choices on the menu and deciding what and where to partake.

Provided the wallet is willing of course.

Have fun whatever you guys love!

CExpat,

Yes, the Sauna girls do give the best f**K! Provided you find a gem.

Otherwise, it could well be a lousy stop and start affair with lots of spitting ! Yikes, I hate the stop and start with spitting! C;



C.

FL Wingman
10-18-07, 01:05
I went here last night. It is my first night in CP and I did not want to wander looking for something I had no idea where to find, so I went to the KTV in the hotel. I had Nina for LT, the charge was the standard mentioned here about 100rmb for the beer and 800rmb lt for the girl. She was not the best I have had and might well be in the running for the worse. cute? yes, service bbbj, DATY, both stopped early, Cfs one position only complained the whole time, then smoked in my room. the next AM the service was even worse. I could not wait for her to leave. Better then nothing? I will have ot get back to you on that.

FL_Wingman

Old Mean Dog
10-18-07, 03:48
CExpat,

Yes, the Sauna girls do give the best f**K! Provided you find a gem.

Otherwise, it could well be a lousy stop and start affair with lots of spitting ! Yikes, I hate the stop and start with spitting! C;



C.

That's kind of my point, 9 times out of 10 you are going to get at least good or better service from the FS Massage Joints, if you get subpar service, then the manager is just outside the door.

A KTV girl is not trained to perform these sexual encounters, she is hired to entertain the guests in the KTV. If you get poor service, the boss is right there and you can exchange the girl, but once she leaves the establishment, then you can only deal with the girl. If she is a lousy pop or refuses to do certain things, then who will you complain to other than her?

BBS is similiar to a KTV girl, but the girls are there solely for sexual purposes, normally the moms don't give a shit if you get good or bad service as long as they get your money. My mom friend here tells me the kind of service each girl gives (notice I said my friend, other mommies will NEVER tell me this), for example; One girl is very cute, but her skills and service are no good. Now as an employer, I would never hire anyone like this, but the moms will, because quantity is much better than quality and there is no Customer Service or Complaint Department to biatch too. Even one poor service girl is one more girl in her shop and another 100 rmb when a john chooses her because it all about the $$$.

Even if I get a mechanical FS massage girl, who has to look at her checklist ever 5 minutes to see what is the next thing to do, at least I know I am getting my moneys worth for a sexual encounter.

I like to gamble now and then myself, but the odds are always going to be in the houses favor so, if I want something of a sure bet, I will put my money on the FS massage joint.

-CPE

BTW: I know this does not apply to all, as some of you guys are high rolling VIPs at certain KTV's and/or have been going to establishments long enough to have built up a rapport with the bosses. My comments are directed to the average john or freshmen coming here.

Old Mean Dog
10-18-07, 03:55
There is a new massage joint in town, located to the side of the Miraton Hotel, kind of next to the Mingtian Coffee Shop. This place is very upscale and posh! They offer footies and full body and a friend of ours there said it is a legit place with no special service, I will need to test that.

They have a VIP service and even nicer areas for same, there is some form of restaurant inside as well. Prices are pretty good, around 46 rmb for a footie and a body massage is under 200 rmb.

-CPE

Fast Eddie 48
10-18-07, 08:22
I am in Shenzhen right now for a few days before flying back home to US after spending 6 days in cp during the canton fair, I got 8 girl in 6 days last night pick up a freelancer in the internet cafe next to hua yu hotel I was staying she see me before and say Hi so I ask her if like to go st for 100rmb she said ok so off we go great BBBJ from hubei.

I think cp is changing still alot of construction and road fixing going on and yalan is dead is going down hill fast, there are many girl in hui mei hotel area many are in building and hotel room and the mobile van in front of lucky, the night market is good but don't start until after 10. Pm is not a very safe place to go alone at late night I got a tall chongqing girl got the hong konger price 120 rmb short time and girl can be had for 300 LT wish I can stay for another week and is great to meet with other isg member there like Dan Hawail, AG, OAH and CP expat.

Fast eddie 48

Hua Ge
10-18-07, 10:20
Info below is from personal experience in DG

Experience: completed 13 tours during the past 3 years; typical tour 8 days
Languages: english, cantonese, putonghua (illiterate in Chinese)

Booking a KTV room in DG.

If it's for a Friday or Saturday at a popular place (many of the places named in this forum) then Itís recommended that you book in advance. My personal preference is booking through a "eunuch" (usually a guy at the KTV in a dark suit with a name tag). 2nd choice is with a DJ/KJ that I know at the KTV. 3rd choice is a Mommy I know at the KTV. Exception to the order is if I really like the xiaojies a Mommy has and I know I will be picking at least two or three from her team. If you book a room through a Mommy, KTV protocol dictates that you get shown her girls firsts then the other Mommies. If you don't pick a girl from the Mommy that booked you a room then you can expect her to be a little annoyed, whimper a bit and sometimes even burst out of the room in disgusts. Even at Jia Yi, where you get to choose from a seemingly endless line up, if a Mommy helped book you a KTV room, especially on a Friday or Saturday, she is going to expect you to pick at least a couple from her team. When you know the Mommy well and she knows the hard sell doesn't work on you then she will do the soft sell to ask you to pick a few girls from her team. To avoid this annoying courtship with a Mommy, try to book your KTV room through a eunuch or a DJ/KJ.

Selecting a KTV room;

If you're not familiar with the joint, ask the eunuch to show you a room that will suit your needs (balcony, internet access etc. Various places offer various amenities). ASK him: what is the minimum charge "xiao fei"? For the particular room he is showing you. The minimum charge for the KTV is usually not negotiable so if it's too high for your budget go to a smaller room. (If the smallest room is still above your budget then you need to go no further with a KTV room. A table at the general population KTV bar may be your thing then but BEFORE you sit ASK how much the minimum charge to sit down is.) Once you have selected your KTV room from the eunuch, it's not a bad idea to ask him to write down the minimum charge on the back of his card along with the KTV room number. This should avoid misunderstands later on when it comes to settling the bill. ASK the eunuch what is the required number of DJ/KJ for that KTV and if you can have just one; some larger rooms have a minimum requirement of 2 DJ/KJ. Ask the eunuch if the DJ/KJ fee for the night is the usual 200 kuai and if it's required to take care of anyone else (like a bus boy or bus girl who assist DJ/KJ 50-100 kuai in some places). ASK the eunuch if the xiaojie's rate is the standard 2-5-8 or do they have special teams (like 3-8-10 or 5-10-15). If they have special teams, ask him to tell the Mommy to point them out so you do not accidentally pick a higher rated xiaojie when you thought she was a regular 2-5-8. ASK the eunuch what are the booze charges. Beer is usually priced as buy 2 get one free, buy 3 get one free and someplace even buy 1 get 1 free and ordered by the dozen. ASK how much is a dozen beers from the selection they have. Since most of the booze like most things in China are replicas don't expect to be drinking real Chivas, Coronas, Sol or even Tsing-tao beer. Our group had such a bad reaction to Sol beer at Miraton that I am never ordering that one again. Blue Girl beer was much better. Our group prefers to bring into the kvt our own bottles of Chivas from duty free. Ask the eunuch how much the corkage fee per bottle is. We pay anywhere from 100. 300 kuai because we are regulars; you may negotiate a different rate but if you enjoy drinking real Scotch then it is worth it. At the Walter we don't even pay corkage and the selection of xiaojies has recently improved. ASK the eunuch if the house adds a surcharge on the bill for each xiaojie sitting down in the room; some KTV's add a 25-50 kuai to the bill for each xiaojie you have sitting there. It's their way of burying the rate of 2. 5-5-8 into the final bill. If you are agreeable to the overall pricing structure then and only then agree to sit down, otherwise just walk away and go elsewhere.

Picking a DJ/KJ:

Try picking someone you can converse with. If you do not speak the language then try sign language, drawing and writing numbers kekeke? . A good DJ/KJ can be like a caddie to a pro golfer keeping a close tab on you bill consumption and sometimes looking the other way on minor infractions, however she is still an employee of the house and there are rules she must enforce or else the house fines her for not reporting room infractions by the xiaojie or the customer. Even if you have used a DJ/KJ for a while and you think she is a "buddy" looking after your financial interest in the KTV room, beware that she is also in the business to make money so she may ask you for an extra tip above the standard 200 kuai in a "joking manner" because of some hardship. Tipping is not necessary but if I like what I see, I smile, hold her close and below the waist and I whisper in her ear to call me when she finishes work so we can further discuss the tip in my room. You should not get too obscene or fresh with a DJ/KJ inside the KTV room because in most places, she could get fined $.

Picking a xiaojie:

Mommies are skilled at reading your eyes. Any casual glance at any of her xiaojies and you're fair game for a hard sales approach. Since they are trained to read your eyes, one of the best ways to counter her hard sales is to look directly into her eyes and say NO. "bu-yao" do not break the stare into her eyes by glancing at the line up. Glancing at the line up means you are still undecided and this will slow down the flow of selections into your room. Staring into the Mommies eyes as you say "mei yao" will let her know "not this batch. Next! " Sometimes the Mommy has thick skin on her face so you have to stare into her eyes, say "mei yo" and waive her line up out. Another approach to counter pushy Mommies and increase the flow of xiaojie into to your room is to take a girl she picks for you and the minute the next Mommy brings her batch of xiaojies, tell the forced down xiaojies to please leave. The previous Mommy will not be coming back to the room while the new Mommy is showing her batch. For this approach to work, you must tell the girl to leave before her 10 minute sample sitting is up otherwise it is going to cost you 200 kuai. I usually pre-screen my xiaojie during the first 10 min from the time she sits beside me; my pre-screening protocol has already been noted in a previous posting.

Managing your bill: Once the fruit platter arrives, the meter is on! You're off to spending at least the minimum charge for the room. If there are quite a few of you then it should not be a problem reaching the minimum charge for the room. If possible, it's best to have one guy signing off on the bill. There is a card where the DJ/KJ will write down everything you order and ask you to initial beside it. If you can't read it then ask her to read it out loud or use sign language (kekeke) and then write it in your own language/short hand. Usually all consumables (box of tissue paper, toilet paper in the bathroom, fruit platter) make up part of your bill. Tell your DJ/KJ to let you know when your bill is approaching 300 kuai from the KTV's minimum charge. This will help you decide if you still wish to stay much longer after one last order of about 18 beers or just cut bait once your bill has reach the minimum charge and move to the next venue. Tell the DJ that this is important because if the bill goes over the minimum charge, you may not have enough to pay her xiao-fei; this will give her an incentive to watch your level of consumption. If you want to control further your bill, agree with your buddies that no one is going to order food, juice or green tea for anyone, then tell the DJ that you do not want to see any food, juice, green tea or water bottles charges in the bill because no one is allowed to order them. Food orders will quickly increase your total bill. Jia Yi xiaojie's have to "buy" a juice, pop, green tea or a snack from the house. If the xiaojie can get her "boyfriend" to order one of the prescribed items then the xiaojie will tell the DJ/KJ to mark her number down beside the item and that counts as credit for her so she does not have to buy the item from the house. This is one of forms of guarantee consumption by the house. I will go over my understanding of the "Organized System" at a later time.

Dealing with Freeloaders:

Eunuchs, Mommies and Assistant Mommies may come into your room to say "hello". Especially Mommies that have xiaojies sitting in your room. They will ask the DJ/KJ for a glass, help themselves to your beer and toast you. If you react positively, they will challenge you to a drinking game. Yes, I am aware that they drinking my beer but I am a Chinese in China and I have an excellent understanding in the Art of Guanxi (relationship building).

For Mommies of xiaojies I have sitting with me, I welcome the opportunity. This allows my xiaojie to see that I have guanxi with her Mommy; fail to deliver the Mommy's promises to me and I am going to wake up the Mommy during her sleep. I love the line by the Mommies I am familiar with me. "I guarantee it or you don't have to pay her". I never call them on the guarantee because I know the xiaojie will suffer and I don't believe in negative karma. I just use it as an opportunity for the Mommy to make it up to me next time. If the Mommy or Assistant Mommy with girls in the KTV stays longer than 5 min, I tell her that you have drank my booze, I have picked your girls now what freebie snacks or beer are you going to buy me? ! (with a smile and in a joking manner of course, so she can save face;.) Tell her you like deep fried chicken wings if you're not too adventurous with the snacks.

For Mommies without xiaojies in my room, I allow a max of 1 drink. If she has more than one drink I ask her now what freebie snacks or beer are you going to buy me? ! Since she failed to provide a xiaojie my group liked. I ask her to go find me a good xiaojie that someone may have only ordered for a sit down. She has 3 chances and she can not push them on to us. If we say no, that is it. If she can not find 3 xiaojie we like then she does need to stop by anymore.

For Eunuchs, I allow 2-3 drinks for the sake of Guanxi since I prefer to order KTV rooms from them. It usually comes in handy when buddies want to go last minute to a popular KTV on a Friday or Saturday. After a couple of drinks, I will joking tell him where are the freebie snacks of fried chicken wings along and the cucumber sticks with wasabi sauce? ! Joking smile of course. If he drinks more than 3 glasses because he is playing a drinking game but I enjoy his company then he can continue. If he is overstaying his welcome, I jokingly say that hey I have invited you to drink my beer how about you buy us back 1/2 dozen? Joking and smiling so he gets the idea. Everyone is happy with no tensions.

Enjoy!

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Hua Ge
10-18-07, 10:37
Not ready for BBS or KTV but you want to try a pleasure DG has to offer perhaps in your hotel?

Go to the sauna level located in your hotel. Show them your room card and ask them if you can take a xiaojie to your room. Hui Hua, Miraton and Huimei offer such a room service for 100 kuai to the house and 300 kuai to the xiaojie. Usual room fee in the sauna is about 238 so you save about 138 kuai by ordering room service.

Get in late, need a room and a service? Most hotels will let you stay overnight if go to the sauna after 11-12 pm (depending on hotel). 538 kuai gets you a room over night, a full service treatment and some places even throw in breakfast! Now that is what I call bed and breakfast!

Enjoy!

Hua Ge
10-18-07, 12:28
Sauna charges are usually broken down into a room fee and a "shower spa fee". The shower spa fee for the xiaojie is fixed but the room fee is variable depending on the size of the room you pick and sometimes if you've a discount coupon or if you're staying at the hotel or if you've booked in advance with a manager

Do a recon at a sauna and get a card from one of the managers, tour the facilities, check out the room and service prices. Most managers I have talked to tell me if I call her in advance then the room price is a little cheaper. So if you plan to do a sauna, try to call a day before if possible. Some saunas also give you a room discount if you're staying at the hotel. Huimei gives you a coupon for your next visit but it expires after 4 weeks. If you're with a large group, sometimes it's worth it to buy the booklet of 5 or 10 fully paid room coupons and get the volume discount.

At Miraton, for the same price of a large room on the 7th floor, you can ask for the larger room on the 8th floor; there you will find The Chair as an additional prop to the spa routine.

Huimei has a shower spa table in the larger room, worth the treat after a long overseas flight to Shangri-la. Some sauna managers like touting the new recruits, I prefer the ones that have been at least a couple of months in service.

If you don't speak the language, you may wish to sign language to the xiaojie to not say anything to you as it may cause you stress to try to figure out what she is trying to tell you. Sometimes part of the spa routine involves them telling you what moves she is about to perform on you; kinda like an old kung fu movie from Hong Kong circa 1980's kekeke. If you look Chinese and you don't speak or understand putonghua then most xiaojies will look at you as if you're an idiot because you have to rely on sign language to communicate. Kekeke. This may also be a good time to sign language to her kekeke that you don't want your prostate checked with the mini vibrator or her finger kekeke unless you're into the procedure. Other than that, go with the flow, relax and.

Enjoy!

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Op888
10-18-07, 13:44
Hi everyone,

I am new to this forum. I will be in Dongguan for one of my business trips next month and am set to stay in Sun Shine Hotel? . I have called up the hotel and they said they have this "sauna" service which is 300-500rmb for the girl and 168 for the room. Service is for 2 hrs.

Does anybody have an idea on the quality of the girls and service of this hotel and Tangxia generally because I won't be able to go to CP as I'm on a hectic schedule.

Lastly, since this is my first time to try this in China. Are these Dongguan girls really safe from HIV/STDs especially for BBBJs. Do I need to bring my own condoms? Any tips or suggestions in choosing girls to make sure we don't catch any disease?

Thanks a lot for helping a newbie.

Transporter
10-18-07, 13:47
A KTV girl is not trained to perform these sexual encounters, she is hired to entertain the guests in the KTV. If you get poor service, the boss is right there and you can exchange the girl, but once she leaves the establishment, then you can only deal with the girl. If she is a lousy pop or refuses to do certain things, then who will you complain to other than her?


Sorry, but I disagree.
Depending on who you are and where you go, you actually have greater recourse with a KTV girl.

Johnny Chan
10-18-07, 13:48
I am a new member here. I have been reading this forum for sometime now. I find it very helpful Thanks to all. I will be going to Changping on Nov 5-7, landing at Baiyun airport nov 5 around 10pm. From my last trip to changping, since it was almost midnight, it costs me 550rmb to go to changping. I've read somewhere in the forum the taxi fare should be about 400rmb. Can you guys help recommend a driver to pick me up for the cost of 400rmb only. Thanks for your help.

I recently subscribe a membership here in ISG hoping to few the photos that you guys uploaded (from your changping mongering trips). I tried viewing the photo gallery, but it was very difficult to look for photos of KTV, SPas, BBS, Girls from changping. Any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks.

If you arrive in the afternoon or early evening, and feel like being adventurous, you can get to CP for under 100 rmb by taking:

1. The airport shuttle to the GZ train station. (6 rmb)
2. The subway or a taxi to the GZ east train station. (forgot exact amount, but cheap)
3. The train to Dong Guan, which is basically CP. (50 rmb)
4. A taxi to your hotel. (15 rmb)

Transporter
10-18-07, 13:50
You might want to check the train schedule, as they may not be running that late.

Johnny Chan
10-18-07, 13:54
Yeah, it's funny, I don't know why all my friends' dates want to challenge me to drinking games. Hmmmm? Like Andy's girl at Hui Mei, your girl at Yalan KTV, and my other friend's girl at Prince KTV, infact all the girls at the Prince KTV was at it with me. They were getting aggresive. Was fun, but they couldn't take me down. :)

She was hot and a fun party girl. I was surprised she was so fun. It is either hit or miss, but it seems like we were hitting with BBS girls more than KTV girls? All I know is ChangPing is fucking awesome!!!!

Actually, ChangPing plus good friends, make it fucking awesome!!!!

See you again real soon my friend!! We really had a great group of guys together. I see us having a blast regardless of which city we're in, but CP just puts it over the top man, like icing on the cake!!

Old Mean Dog
10-18-07, 15:48
A KTV girl is not trained to perform these sexual encounters, she is hired to entertain the guests in the KTV. If you get poor service, the boss is right there and you can exchange the girl, but once she leaves the establishment, then you can only deal with the girl. If she is a lousy pop or refuses to do certain things, then who will you complain to other than her?

Sorry, but I disagree.
Depending on who you are and where you go, you actually have greater recourse with a KTV girl.

Read the BTW part in my post, as stated, it does not apply to those who are regulars or high-rollers, my comments were directed to the freshmen coming here.

If a KTV girl refuses to BBBJ, for example, you gonna go complain to the KTV? The boss is gonna tell you either 1. Sorry, we cannot control what happens outside the KTV and besides she DID go with you or 2. Yes Sir, we will look into it, please come again.

-CPE

Hua Ge
10-18-07, 16:10
If you arrive in the afternoon or early evening, and feel like being adventurous, you can get to CP for under 100 rmb by taking:

1. The airport shuttle to the GZ train station. (6 rmb)
2. The subway or a taxi to the GZ east train station. (forgot exact amount, but cheap)
3. The train to Dong Guan, which is basically CP. (50 rmb)
4. A taxi to your hotel. (15 rmb)Sanco1010,

You won't make it by train unless you can get your ass at the GZ station by 22:20 hrs, are carrying kuai with you and you don't have any checked in luggage.

Last train to DG from GZ is at 22:40.

http://www.travelchinaguide.com/china-trains/display1.asp?from1=Guangzhou&to1=dongguan&Submit32=SUBMIT

Do you speak the language? No point in recommending a driver if you don't speak the language. The drivers I know don't speak English but they only charge me 200 -250 kuai for the trip.

Hua Ge
10-18-07, 16:36
Read the BTW part in my post, as stated, it does not apply to those who are regulars or high-rollers, my comments were directed to the freshmen coming here.

If a KTV girl refuses to BBBJ, for example, you gonna go complain to the KTV? The boss is gonna tell you either 1. Sorry, we cannot control what happens outside the KTV and besides she DID go with you or 2. Yes Sir, we will look into it, please come again.

-CPEIf the service is below expectation (no BBBJ for me) or not as advertised by the Mommy, I file the complaint with the xiaojie's Mommy not the eunuch. The freshman should have the card of the Mommy for the xiaojie he is taking out along with the employee card number written on the back of the Mommy's card. (almost all xiaojies have an employee card. Kind of a license to work there). You may not be good with the xiaojie's name but the lincense number is all you really need to file a complaint with the Mommy. Agree that unless you're a regular with the Mommy, you will likely just get lip service from her. Having the Mommy's card and the xiaojie employee number is just handy in case the issue escalates. It also shows the xiaojie that you're prepared to file a complaint with her Mommy so she should do the best she can for you. Some xiaojie's are too green or not really cut out for the trade, some just have a slight reluctance doing it with laowais.

Simbad99
10-18-07, 17:20
Dear fellow mongers

My first stay in CP.

Having done RTFF in depth, I would like to pay a visit to Jia Yi or any comparable KTV

Does anyone want to go with me either today = 19 or on Saturday,
or would accept me to join existing deal

I would be happy not to miss this must in CP landscape

Please PM me.

Thanks

Simbad

Kai Kai
10-18-07, 17:48
See you again real soon my friend!! We really had a great group of guys together. I see us having a blast regardless of which city we're in, but CP just puts it over the top man, like icing on the cake!!Johnny is right that CP was GREAT, but also depending on the group you are with makes all the difference. Looking forward to seeing the old group and maybe some new guys who want to join in on the next trip.

Cowa Banga
10-18-07, 23:55
Gua He,

Thanks for the info!

Hua Ge
10-19-07, 02:53
Hi everyone,

I am new to this forum. I will be in Dongguan for one of my business trips next month and am set to stay in Sun Shine Hotel? . I have called up the hotel and they said they have this "sauna" service which is 300-500rmb for the girl and 168 for the room. Service is for 2 hrs.

Does anybody have an idea on the quality of the girls and service of this hotel and Tangxia generally because I won't be able to go to CP as I'm on a hectic schedule.

Lastly, since this is my first time to try this in China. Are these Dongguan girls really safe from HIV/STDs especially for BBBJs. Do I need to bring my own condoms? Any tips or suggestions in choosing girls to make sure we don't catch any disease?

Thanks a lot for helping a newbie.op888,

If your going on business to Tangxia then pamper yourself by staying at the Goodview Hotel Tangxia http://www.goodviewhotel.com/english/Reservation.asp Room rates are on the high end for DG but it's a nice way to pop your DG cherry in a safe environment. If it helps, breakfast is included with the room charge on weekdays. Sauna treatment is on the high side too. Almost 900 kuai for the room charge and spa xiaojie fee. No room service at this hotel for the sauna treatment. Service is very good but pricey in comparison to CP saunas.

Their KTV is called Fantasy Night Club and is located on the lobby level to one side of the hotel. It's set up something like New York, New York casino lobby in Las Vegas. Lots of neon lights, stage show, boxing rink. The treat starts at 19:00hrs sharp on the level 1 of the complex. RrrrOoooLLL CAaaaLLLL for the xiaojies. Sets of teams with distinctive uniforms/gowns line up for roll call as a couple of eunuch check them in. At this time, you can select your xiaojie from the line up. When you find what you like, you tell her or show her your KTV room number in a piece of paper; once roll call is complete, she will make her way to your KTV room. The atmosphere is similar to Yia Yi but the difference is that once roll call is done, then they no longer line up on the grown floor. The only ones that remain on the grown floor are the special teams (3-8-10) that stand in front of the elevator. The majority of the xiaojies are 2-5-8 but you might want to double check with her mommy or her and make sure she is "fong-ping" available to go out and not on the rag. If you want, you can try picking them during the pre-market opening (18:50) before roll call as they sit on the general KTV lounge. I have been there on at least 4 separate occasions and each time all the KTV xiaojies I picked performed all my required elements and more. Hotel management expects alot more from the xiaojie's working there because of the clientele the hotel is attracting (high rollers). Huang Peng is the eunuch I use at the KTV to make KTV bookings and he gives me a corporate rate on the hotel accomodations.

Health concerns: Hope for the best but prepare for the worst. I bring my own party hats because I don't trust the domestic versions. Good luck!

Enjoy

Hua Ge
10-19-07, 03:40
At ktvs, I have noticed that about 1/3. 1/4 of the booze purchase goes to waste. The DJ/KJ factory settings are programed to top up glasses and take away unattended glasses of beer. You move around the room or you go trolling in the halls looking at unclaimed inventories of xiaojies or you go to the bathroom come back and you can't tell your glass from the sea of beer glasses on the table so you order a new glass and the DJ/KJ takes away the unclaimed 1/2 full glasses of beer. This increases your paid consumptions of beer & booze. The house knows this and this is why the DJ/KJ are programed by the house to clear away unattended drinks.

The Empty Glass setting:

At the start of the festivities, I reprogram the factory settings of the DJ/KJ and xiaojies. I tell them that glasses can NOT have any liquid in them only the communal bottles/jars can have any liquid. If there is any liquid in your glass you have to drink it right away until the glass in completely empty; no exceptions. If you're caught with beer in your glass then you have to drink 1/2 glass right away. If you loose in a drinking game then you pour into your glass just what you're going to drink right away (this also prevents the xiaojie from fake sipping. Yes there is even fake sipping in China kekeke). With this approach, you will have no wasted beer or liquor. The DJ/KJ will only be clearing away unclaimed empty glasses and they can not clear away the 1/2 empty communal bottles of beer. Try this approach and you will see that you don't go through beer ass fast ass before.

Enjoy!

Bob Builder
10-19-07, 03:57
Read the BTW part in my post, as stated, it does not apply to those who are regulars or high-rollers, my comments were directed to the freshmen coming here.

If a KTV girl refuses to BBBJ, for example, you gonna go complain to the KTV? The boss is gonna tell you either 1. Sorry, we cannot control what happens outside the KTV and besides she DID go with you or 2. Yes Sir, we will look into it, please come again.

-CPE

3. We will get you a replacement. But of course you will have to pay the first one as well.

That is why you ask the girl and the mama at the same time what you want as soon as she sits with you. I have even gone as far as taking the gal into the bathroom and getting her to show me downstairs to make sure it was clear before committing to sitting. You may think that is extreme but I had a bad run at Sa Zui KTVs where 3 in a row I took out for LT had STDs of various kinds. One had white pus dripping out of her pussy and after a 20 minute taxi ride home. For feck's sake I had to wear 2 condoms, LOL!

RasSpewtin
10-19-07, 04:35
Hua Ge, this is an outstanding post. I have been to KTV only 10 times or so, and your ability to speak Putonghua apparently exceeds mine judging by the negotiations and strategies that you can communicate while at KTV. But from my observations of KTV's and Guangdong in general, I find your advice damn credible.

Moody, do you agree?

Raz

Horse38
10-19-07, 15:25
Very helpful reports. I wish I had the Putongua to implement all your KTV negotiating tips!


Huang Peng is the eunuch I use at the KTV to make KTV bookings and he gives me a corporate rate on the hotel accomodations.Beginning of December we are staying at Goodview in Tangxia. I've been quoted their Internet rate of 780, 2 rooms 3 nights. Could you or Huang Peng get us a better rate? We DO plan to go to the KTV 1-2 nights.

After Goodview Tangxia we will continue to CP staying at Hui Hua. If you are around, either in Tangxia or CP, please join us for ktv, bbs, sauna. All others welcome as well!

Jhony Walker
10-19-07, 17:00
Hi to all brothers in CP,

I arrived CP station from GZ by train RMB 50 took 45 minutes, check in at Hui Mei Hotel RMB 285. After taking a shower went out of the hotel and block by 2 mommy ask to inspect her stock, I said ok for inspect only then she bring me to the Hui Mei ally and open a door at some apartment after going in she lock the door. Showing the line up of more then 10 WL range from 6-7 mistake #1 I sit down and she pull a girl to sit on my lap and pull out her nipple to show it to me. I ask how much and offer RMB 200 ST, RMB 500 LT. I tell her that is the new bee price and she said thatís it. Mistake #2 I agree just stupid me (I have RTFF and know the price but still agree) ask to pay RMB 100 balance after job was done, so we went back to my hotel and SOP start with BBBJ just for 1-2 minutes and I canít get hard she try HJ but still canít get hard, she refuse to try any more and just lie down I was [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) of and send her away and pay her RMB100 mistake #3.

The next day change hotel to Hui Rui hotel RMB 100, not much happen just walk around the town and go to a footie RMB 38 for 80 minutes.

Sunday after my dinner walk around Hui Mei Hotel area and approach by a mommy ask me to inspect her stock I said only inspect nothing more then that and she said OK so we went to a hotel at the back ( sorry forget the name) and go to 3rd floor found only 4WL so I said only 4 and I did not get into the room but she still pull a girl and show me her nipple, I said how much and offer RMB 200 ST, RMB 500 LT, I just pull away and leave (good move #1) she pull me back and said RMB150 ST, RMB400 LT. I agree to try and pay RMB50 to the mommy saying that if she is good Iíll keep her for LT (good move #2).

After arriving at my hotel and start the job SOP taking shower then on the bed, she start sucking my nipple and HJ which make me high and rock hard then I suck on her nipple and she like it then DATY she goes high, now she BBBJ and woo she can do a good job I try bare back and she agree but I think better play save then sorry. So the cap on and caw girl and she is into it then Mist. she like more and hold me tight that all I can stand then happy ending. After the job took shower and we lie down together and chat for about 20 minutes and I ask if she want to leave or stay she reply is up to me so I said Iíll send her back and she said OK pay her RMB100 + 20.

Name : Fang-fang from Hunan
Age : 19
Tits : B
Looks : 7/10
Pussy : 8/10
BBBJ : 8/10
DATY : 8/10
GFE : 9/10 not rush at all
RTF : yes

The next day I went to SZ is another story to tell and I stay in the pink apartment.

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Bold Focker
10-19-07, 19:16
I will be arriving into Shenzhen airport on the 3rd Dec at 22:30.

Looking at a train timetable on the internet, the last train appears to be 22:30. So that is no good.

Shuttle buses stop about 19:00.

Anyone one know of any other service, like buses etc around about 23:50!

A Taxi I have read is only 200 rmb. Next question, do taxi at airport have meters and is it a problem getting them to use them?

BF

Fast Eddie 48
10-20-07, 08:34
I will be arriving into Shenzhen airport on the 3rd Dec at 22:30.

Looking at a train timetable on the internet, the last train appears to be 22:30. So that is no good.

Shuttle buses stop about 19:00.

Anyone one know of any other service, like buses etc around about 23:50!

A Taxi I have read is only 200 rmb. Next question, do taxi at airport have meters and is it a problem getting them to use them?

BfTo BF

I think you can take shuttle bus to lo wu border or the 330 bus to citic jusco area for about 25 rmb until 1 am you can stay one night at lo wu area hotel and take bus or train in the morning to CP, bus from lowu to CP run from 7am to 9. 30 pm cost 36 rmb 45 min.

Another options is get a taxi direct to CP at that late of night most taxi driver will charge 200 rmb and up is one hr drive to CP you can get a meter taxi but not sure it might cost higher than 200 rmb or not.

Fast eddie 48

Hua Ge
10-20-07, 10:03
I will be arriving into Shenzhen airport on the 3rd Dec at 22:30.

Looking at a train timetable on the internet, the last train appears to be 22:30. So that is no good.

Shuttle buses stop about 19:00.

Anyone one know of any other service, like buses etc around about 23:50!

A Taxi I have read is only 200 rmb. Next question, do taxi at airport have meters and is it a problem getting them to use them?

BFBF,

The rate is about 250 - 280 kuai at that time of the night via toll express way (recommended - faster) instead of non-scenic inner city ghetto roads (not recommended - slower - dangerous). I can not post my drivers numbers here because it is against isg rules, perhaps another good samaritan member with pm priviledges will offer you their drivers number.

I would not get into a taxi with an unknown driver; specially at that time of night.

Safer option for you:

- Call the concierge of the hotel you're staying at and advise them that you are reconfirming your reservation with them for your arrival date and time (they should be aware you're going to be check-in late). Ask them to arrange a car to pick you up from SZX at 23:15 in front of the McDonald's Restaurant. Fax the hotel your name so the driver will be holding a card with your name on it; include your arrival date, time and SZX meeting location in your fax so there is no misunderstanding by the hotel staff. Ask how much is the car ride going to cost and specify that you want the driver to take the toll express way not the side roads. Drivers may quote them a cheaper rate but they will be taking the no toll roads instead of the toll express way. If it's agreeable with you then advise the hotel to book it for you. Ask the hotel to give you the driver's mobile phone number and car license plate number. Ask for the name of the hotel employee that is helping you arrange this and ask if he or she will be working the night you arrive; if not then ask him/her to please give you the name of a colleague that will be working the night you arrive and know about this arrangement. Six hours before you board your plane, call the hotel to confirm the arrangement, call the driver to confirm he will be waiting for you at the McDonald's in SZX. When you meet the driver holding the sign with your name, call the mobile number the hotel gave you for the driver and see if his mobile phone rings. If it doesn't then call the hotel contact and ask if the driver sent to pick you up was switched at the last minute. When you get to the car, check to see if the license plate of the car matches the one the hotel gave you, if not then call the hotel contact and tell them you're getting into a car with a different license plate than the one they gave you. If the hotel contact says it is ok, then tell them you're on your way to the hotel. Before you get in the car, call someone back home and tell them you're leaving SZX to your hotel and give them the license plate of the vehicle you're getting into. To setup this arrangement with the hotel, it may take a few phone calls because the driver sent to pick you up is probably not the hotel car but a driver the hotel knows and has arranged for you. If my suggestions above seem like over kill then you may ignore part or all of it.

If you don't speak Putonghua or at the very least Cantonese then may I suggest you book your first night at the Crown Prince Hotel http://www.crownprincehotel.com/doce/aboutus.html and use their concierge service who are much more professional and speak English better than at Hui Hua, Miraton, Walter, Virgin, Huimei, Lucky, Lion etc. Arriving that time of the night is not the time to be looking to save a few kuai but definitely a time to be looking to make it to your hotel safely.

Ride from SZX to Crown Prince should be no longer than an hour via the express way, add another 10 min if going to Changping. If it takes longer than 1:30 min then start calling home to Western Union you some $.

Good luck,

Pay it forward!

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Hua Ge
10-20-07, 11:11
Very helpful reports. I wish I had the Putongua to implement all your KTV negotiating tips!

Beginning of December we are staying at Goodview in Tangxia. I've been quoted their Internet rate of 780, 2 rooms 3 nights. Could you or Huang Peng get us a better rate? We DO plan to go to the KTV 1-2 nights.

After Goodview Tangxia we will continue to CP staying at Hui Hua. If you are around, either in Tangxia or CP, please join us for ktv, bbs, sauna. All others welcome as well!Mr. Horse,

Do you at least speak Cantonese? If not then your Taiwanese supplier (read your previous post) can next week call the Goodview at 18:30 local Tangxia time and ask to be transferred to the Fantasy Nightclub/KTV. Ask for Huang Peng. I will call Huang Peng and let him know Mr. Horse is looking for 2 rooms sometime around Dec 3 for 3 nights and that you would like a small KTV room with a balcony overlooking the main stage for 1-2 nights during your stay at the hotel and see what he can do for you. Your Taiwanese friend will know how to translate Mr. Horse (popular Chinese last name) into Putonghua. My corporate rate is 10% off the Internet rate but last week when I stayed there, he was having problems with the new reservations manager. I still got my discount but it was not a straight slam dunk. Hopefully, Huang Peng will have build up the Guanxi with the new reservations manager by the time you arrive.

If your Taiwanese supplier is "entertaining you" and picking up the bill kekeke may I suggest you tell him about The Deluxe Villa with 2 bedrooms http://www.goodviewhotel.com/english/a_deluxe_villa. Htm The Deluxe Villa is the reason why I go to Goodview kekeke You can have a lot of fun with the xiaojies in the pool, hot tubs, balcony, etc kekeke. I can even recommend you some very playful water baby xiaojies kekeke. I know a few xiaojies there that will do a double phoenix with you. Maybe a sextuple with your paying friend kekeke. Bring your favorite poison from Duty free and enjoy it by the gazebo while your xiaojie massages your back and your supplier sells you more overpriced wares kekeke. As you probably know, there is also a golf course near by for daytime entertainment.

Corkage is not allowed (discouraged) at the Fantasy Night club; so we drink up the minimum charge (and if there is only a few of us, we order some food for the xiaojie. Only exception here. To use up the minimum charge faster and then we take the xiaojies back to our villa and enjoy the villa amenities kekeke. Ask Huang Peng to check that the xiaojie you pick are not on the rag (spoils the hot tub party) and if one is not being nice to you at the KTV then let Huang Peng know and he will make sure she gets an attitude adjustment or dismisses her from your presence.

In Changping, ask your Taiwanese friend to try the Miraton KTV. I liked the selection there better than at the Hui Hua KTV. I hope your Taiwanese friend does not live up the the typical reputation Taiwanese guys have in DG, which is not good among the xiaojies. Taiwanese men have a notorious reputation of being verbally and physically abusive to xiaojies and mean drunks. Not good karma.

Mr. House, thank you for your invitation to join you but unfortunately I will not be in the region at the same time you're there.

Enjoy

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Op888
10-20-07, 14:51
op888,

If your going on business to Tangxia then pamper yourself by staying at the Goodview Hotel Tangxia http://www.goodviewhotel.com/english/Reservation.asp Room rates are on the high end for DG but it's a nice way to pop your DG cherry in a safe environment. If it helps, breakfast is included with the room charge on weekdays. Sauna treatment is on the high side too. Almost 900 kuai for the room charge and spa xiaojie fee. No room service at this hotel for the sauna treatment. Service is very good but pricey in comparison to CP saunas.

Their KTV is called Fantasy Night Club and is located on the lobby level to one side of the hotel. It's set up something like New York, New York casino lobby in Las Vegas. Lots of neon lights, stage show, boxing rink. The treat starts at 19:00hrs sharp on the level 1 of the complex. RrrrOoooLLL CAaaaLLLL for the xiaojies. Sets of teams with distinctive uniforms/gowns line up for roll call as a couple of eunuch check them in. At this time, you can select your xiaojie from the line up. When you find what you like, you tell her or show her your KTV room number in a piece of paper; once roll call is complete, she will make her way to your KTV room. The atmosphere is similar to Yia Yi but the difference is that once roll call is done, then they no longer line up on the grown floor. The only ones that remain on the grown floor are the special teams (3-8-10) that stand in front of the elevator. The majority of the xiaojies are 2-5-8 but you might want to double check with her mommy or her and make sure she is "fong-ping" available to go out and not on the rag. If you want, you can try picking them during the pre-market opening (18:50) before roll call as they sit on the general KTV lounge. I have been there on at least 4 separate occasions and each time all the KTV xiaojies I picked performed all my required elements and more. Hotel management expects alot more from the xiaojie's working there because of the clientele the hotel is attracting (high rollers). Huang Peng is the eunuch I use at the KTV to make KTV bookings and he gives me a corporate rate on the hotel accomodations.

Health concerns: Hope for the best but prepare for the worst. I bring my own party hats because I don't trust the domestic versions. Good luck!

EnjoyThanks Hua Ge for the advise. However, my company is only sponsoring a stay either at the Sunshine hotel or Metropolitan Yiking Hotel in Tangxia.

So my choices are definitely limited to these 2 as my hectic schedule wont permit me to hang out so I have no choice but to settle for hotel in room service.

Any advise on these 2 hotels if anybody has tried their "sauna" services.

Thanks

Pointpanic
10-21-07, 20:36
If any of the regulars ( or anyone else for that matter) are around PM me. I'll be here this week. Got some interesting stories to tell.

Waikikibob

Dan Hawaii
10-21-07, 21:12
op888,

If your going on business to Tangxia then pamper yourself by staying at the Goodview Hotel Tangxia http://www.goodviewhotel.com/english/Reservation.asp Room rates are on the high end for DG but it's a nice way to pop your DG cherry in a safe environment. If it helps, breakfast is included with the room charge on weekdays. Sauna treatment is on the high side too. Almost 900 kuai for the room charge and spa xiaojie fee. No room service at this hotel for the sauna treatment. Service is very good but pricey in comparison to CP saunas.

Their KTV is called Fantasy Night Club and is located on the lobby level to one side of the hotel. It's set up something like New York, New York casino lobby in Las Vegas. Lots of neon lights, stage show, boxing rink. The treat starts at 19:00hrs sharp on the level 1 of the complex. RrrrOoooLLL CAaaaLLLL for the xiaojies. Sets of teams with distinctive uniforms/gowns line up for roll call as a couple of eunuch check them in. At this time, you can select your xiaojie from the line up. When you find what you like, you tell her or show her your KTV room number in a piece of paper; once roll call is complete, she will make her way to your KTV room. The atmosphere is similar to Yia Yi but the difference is that once roll call is done, then they no longer line up on the grown floor. The only ones that remain on the grown floor are the special teams (3-8-10) that stand in front of the elevator. The majority of the xiaojies are 2-5-8 but you might want to double check with her mommy or her and make sure she is "fong-ping" available to go out and not on the rag. If you want, you can try picking them during the pre-market opening (18:50) before roll call as they sit on the general KTV lounge. I have been there on at least 4 separate occasions and each time all the KTV xiaojies I picked performed all my required elements and more. Hotel management expects alot more from the xiaojie's working there because of the clientele the hotel is attracting (high rollers). Huang Peng is the eunuch I use at the KTV to make KTV bookings and he gives me a corporate rate on the hotel accomodations.

Health concerns: Hope for the best but prepare for the worst. I bring my own party hats because I don't trust the domestic versions. Good luck!

Enjoy
The last trip in September I went to Goodview KTV and it was , for some reason, low in quality, but the quantity is surely there, even more than Jia Yi. Even my friend never chose to take any girl home. They were really boring girls and the party was a dud. I guess it is for all KTVs, "hit or miss", I hate it when the party is a dud, the girls really looked like they did not want to be there. It was a real disappointment from the last trip there in July which was pretty fun.

Dan Hawaii
10-21-07, 21:44
3. We will get you a replacement. But of course you will have to pay the first one as well.

That is why you ask the girl and the mama at the same time what you want as soon as she sits with you. I have even gone as far as taking the gal into the bathroom and getting her to show me downstairs to make sure it was clear before committing to sitting. You may think that is extreme but I had a bad run at Sa Zui KTVs where 3 in a row I took out for LT had STDs of various kinds. One had white pus dripping out of her pussy and after a 20 minute taxi ride home. For feck's sake I had to wear 2 condoms, LOL!
4. I'm very sorry, why not come back to our KTV tomorow and we will comp you some food and give you a 10% discount on the room..... Translation,..... sucker, come back tomorow and spend anther 1500rmb and that is our normal comp and discount that we give to pre-booked customers, hahaha, and bring home another ho that will give you bad service, hahaha. Biatch.

Dan Hawaii
10-21-07, 22:07
At ktvs, I have noticed that about 1/3. 1/4 of the booze purchase goes to waste. The DJ/KJ factory settings are programed to top up glasses and take away unattended glasses of beer. You move around the room or you go trolling in the halls looking at unclaimed inventories of xiaojies or you go to the bathroom come back and you can't tell your glass from the sea of beer glasses on the table so you order a new glass and the DJ/KJ takes away the unclaimed 1/2 full glasses of beer. This increases your paid consumptions of beer & booze. The house knows this and this is why the DJ/KJ are programed by the house to clear away unattended drinks.

The Empty Glass setting:

At the start of the festivities, I reprogram the factory settings of the DJ/KJ and xiaojies. I tell them that glasses can NOT have any liquid in them only the communal bottles/jars can have any liquid. If there is any liquid in your glass you have to drink it right away until the glass in completely empty; no exceptions. If you're caught with beer in your glass then you have to drink 1/2 glass right away. If you loose in a drinking game then you pour into your glass just what you're going to drink right away (this also prevents the xiaojie from fake sipping. Yes there is even fake sipping in China kekeke). With this approach, you will have no wasted beer or liquor. The DJ/KJ will only be clearing away unclaimed empty glasses and they can not clear away the 1/2 empty communal bottles of beer. Try this approach and you will see that you don't go through beer ass fast ass before.

Enjoy!
No wonder our fucking bill is high all the time. :) It seems all of us are like beer drinking champs at KTVs, cause we supposedly drank 20 beers each.

At Club Xinde, in the private rooms, it was so obvious that the DJ was doing this. It was so fucked up that I told ChargerRed about it and we complained to the manager, he then comped us 6 beers. Luckily ChargeRed has some lots of pull there, otherwise we would have gotten lots of BS, instead of beers. What a fucking Biatch ass DJ.

Maybe go to the extent where you get a Sharpie pen and write names on the glasses.

I guess it is the DJ just doing their jobs. Fucking KTVs, what leeches. I wouldn't be surpirsed to see some DJs, taking our beer and pouring it down the sink or toilet. And it's not only the DJs, but the girls are in on it too. Seems like they get a commission too. But we are like moths to a flame, we all know we are going to get burned by the KTVs, but we can't help ourselves and just keep going back for more. :)

I seen some locals, keeping their beer stash right next to them, and tell the DJ not to touch it and only clean up the empty bottles and work the karaoke. Maybe next time, I'll be the beer master.

Fast Eddie 48
10-22-07, 00:52
If any of the regulars ( or anyone else for that matter) are around PM me. I'll be here this week. Got some interesting stories to tell.

WaikikibobTo Waikikibob,

Oh my god Dan Hawaii just leave town and income Waikikibob so when will Jack lord of hawaii five o and the gang will be in town.

Fast eddie 48

ManonsanBoy
10-22-07, 01:11
Thanks Hua Ge for the advise. However, my company is only sponsoring a stay either at the Sunshine hotel or Metropolitan Yiking Hotel in Tangxia.

So my choices are definitely limited to these 2 as my hectic schedule wont permit me to hang out so I have no choice but to settle for hotel in room service.

Any advise on these 2 hotels if anybody has tried their "sauna" services.

Thanks


Yiking is ythe much better hotel. It has sauna and call in services, from sauna or KTV. Sauna is good, 400,500,600. ST is 500, usually from KTV. Sunshine is a lower class hotel but also has both, @ slightly lower prices.

Enjoy.

Transporter
10-22-07, 12:33
If location isn't the absolute priority, then I would recommend the Yiking also. I very much enjoyed it there, and would easily book again when in Tangxia.

Pointpanic
10-23-07, 07:22
Sorry my neighbor Jack Lord is dead so you will have to settle for those of us from the next generation. You don't even know about George who is friends with Bill Lee. Are you in CP now? Would like to meet you. Waikiki Bob



Oh my god Dan Hawaii just leave town and income Waikikibob so when will Jack lord of hawaii five o and the gang will be in town.

Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]

Fast Eddie 48
10-23-07, 07:59
Sorry my neighbor Jack Lord is dead so you will have to settle for those of us from the next generation. You don't even know about George who is friends with Bill Lee. Are you in CP now? Would like to meet you. Waikiki Bob


Oh my god Dan Hawaii just leave town and income Waikikibob so when will Jack lord of hawaii five o and the gang will be in town.

Fast eddie 48To Waikiki bob,

Sorry buddy didn't know jack is no longer with us, I am already back home in
SFO did spend 6 days in CP attending the Canton Fair, didn't meet George, just Dan Hawaii. And who the hell is Bill Lee.

Fast eddie 48

Bold Focker
10-24-07, 16:11
Can someone explain to a chinese newby how a bbs works.

Do they put you in room, and send the girls in individually?

Is there a bar there so you can pick at leisure whilst having a beer?

Can you bone on and off site?

One assumes # of girls vary, but as a general rule how many per shop?

Are all bbs in one area?

Thanks

BF

Bold Focker
10-25-07, 00:45
I have just been down the pub and speaking to someone who goes to China on a regular basis.

As I understand it from him, I will get ripped off in every instance if I don't speak Chinese. Less than 1% speak english, and chances are they will not speak English at the hotel.

As well as fucking the pussy, I could be eating it along with baked sparrow and turtle heads!

Restaurants shut at 8PM and even if you know what your eating, the food is crap. If you want western food it will cost the earth!

Ask for a coke and they don't know what it is?

The Locals will travel on a train for 15 hours, It is so packed that they wear nappies, as they can not get to the toilet!

How much of this applies to CP?

Do they speak English at lucky hotel?

Dan Hawaii
10-25-07, 03:01
Can someone explain to a chinese newby how a bbs works.

Do they put you in room, and send the girls in individually?

Is there a bar there so you can pick at leisure whilst having a beer?

Can you bone on and off site?

One assumes # of girls vary, but as a general rule how many per shop?

Are all bbs in one area?

Thanks

BF

Do they put you in room, and send the girls in individually?no, you walk into the BBS room where all the girls are sitting.

Is there a bar there so you can pick at leisure whilst having a beer?no

Can you bone on and off site?off site

One assumes # of girls vary, but as a general rule how many per shop?5-30, average is 10

Are all bbs in one area?no, mostly in 2 areas, yalan and behind hui mei.

Jettsetter
10-25-07, 08:30
I have just been down the pub and speaking to someone who goes to China on a regular basis.

As I understand it from him, I will get ripped off in every instance if I don't speak Chinese. Less than 1% speak english, and chances are they will not speak English at the hotel.

As well as fucking the pussy, I could be eating it along with baked sparrow and turtle heads!

Restaurants shut at 8PM and even if you know what your eating, the food is crap. If you want western food it will cost the earth!

Ask for a coke and they don't know what it is?

The Locals will travel on a train for 15 hours, It is so packed that they wear nappies, as they can not get to the toilet!

How much of this applies to CP?

Do they speak English at lucky hotel?


Next thing you should know is all Chinese people have horns and bathe only once a year...

Best stay away from China... The guys here are into that kind of thing, but it's probably not your cup of tea.

Old Mean Dog
10-25-07, 11:07
I have just been down the pub and speaking to someone who goes to China on a regular basis.

As I understand it from him, I will get ripped off in every instance if I don't speak Chinese. Less than 1% speak english, and chances are they will not speak English at the hotel.

As well as fucking the pussy, I could be eating it along with baked sparrow and turtle heads!

Restaurants shut at 8PM and even if you know what your eating, the food is crap. If you want western food it will cost the earth!

Ask for a coke and they don't know what it is?

The Locals will travel on a train for 15 hours, It is so packed that they wear nappies, as they can not get to the toilet!

How much of this applies to CP?

Do they speak English at lucky hotel?

Good Questions!

1. Yes, they screw you everytime you open your mouth and spew English. 1% is about right, maybe is closer to 3% if they are in a position to take your money.

2. Yep along with chicken's feet, ducks tongue, goose neck, etc. Never go down on a Chinese girl because their pussies smell like their arse.

3. Restaurants? They won't even let a white man in the front door, you gotta go round back and look for the sign that says "Non-Yellow People Only". If you try to go in the front door, they will "Rodney King" your ass, because everyone here knows Kung-Fu.....and they can fly too. They don't eat Western food, so shutup and enjoy your bowl of rice.

4. That's because they prefer Pepsi

5. Nappies cost money, they just shit in their pants. I have lived here so long, I too, just crap my pants when the mood strikes me.

6. All of it applies to CP x 2

7. Hell no they don't speak English at the Lucky Hotel and they will Kung-Fu your arse if you give them attitude and please for your own security, use the back door.

I hope this help you decide not to come to China, as it is a very dangerous and bass-ackwards country, best to go to the PI.

-CPE

Hua Ge
10-25-07, 11:21
i have just been down the pub and speaking to someone who goes to china on a regular basis.

as i understand it from him, i will get ripped off in every instance if i don't speak chinese. less than 1% speak english, and chances are they will not speak english at the hotel.

as well as fucking the pussy, i could be eating it along with baked sparrow and turtle heads!

restaurants shut at 8pm and even if you know what your eating, the food is crap. if you want western food it will cost the earth!

ask for a coke and they don't know what it is?

the locals will travel on a train for 15 hours, it is so packed that they wear nappies, as they can not get to the toilet!

how much of this applies to cp?

do they speak english at lucky hotel?true: you will be ripped off the minute your plane lands into "china" because you will actually be sent to a fake version of china reserved to non chinese speaking mongers. yes, the chinese have recreated a much cheaper version of china and outsourced the labour to the rest of south east asia. china is selling this fake disneychina to english speaking tourist mongers at a huge mark up. do not pay more than 200 renminbi if you're only staying for a short time otherwise you could ruin the market for others. if you stay in disneychina over night then 400 renminbi is standard but do not tip at all because this could also spoil the market for others. the programmers in india have not yet fixed the language bug found in the fake china. 99% of the population in the fake china is suppose to speak the queen's english but the computer geeks in bangalore must be playing a joke on its previous colonist.

in this fake china, the food is indeed made up of bio garbage and deceased pets sent from the real china for recycling among the unsuspecting english only speaking mongers. the pussy you will be fucking is fake too. pussy cats are an expensive delicacy in the real china therefore it is never sent to fake china. the "pussy" presented to english speaking mongers like yourself is actually made from sewage rats and bird phlegm. (now you know why avian influenza a. k. a. bird flu was started in. china)

true: they don't know what a coke is but they have "bottling plants" all over cp fake china that makes a fake version of coke and the chinese call it kele. you should try it. a lot of english speaking mongers, such ass yourself, enjoy going to these "bottling plants" for a footie. now you know the "secret" ingredient in kele kekeke.

true: the locals will travel for at least 15 hours in packed trains, wear "nappies" and not go to the toilets. china officials say they are training the outsourced citizens in the fake china for space travel to mars but we at isg know better. china is actually developing long range fake chinese to be sent to english speaking countries for dumping of their soiled nappies.

cp actually stands for a crappy place in fake china.

the lucky hotel is the only sanctuary for english speaking mongers. this is where 1% of the fake china program can actually speak english fluently. highly recommended by rip-off-travel-ho-magazine.

p.s. don't forget to bring a small british union jack flag to wave around cp, "pussy" will descend upon you like flies on [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113).

enjoy

Weelock
10-25-07, 13:03
Can someone explain to a chinese newby how a bbs works.
Do they put you in room, and send the girls in individually?
Is there a bar there so you can pick at leisure whilst having a beer?
Can you bone on and off site?
One assumes # of girls vary, but as a general rule how many per shop?
Are all bbs in one area?
Thanks

RTFF


I have just been down the pub and speaking to someone who goes to China on a regular basis.

It looks like the guy must have been already drunk. You friend must have been shanghaied a few times. You friend forgot to mention China is a dangerious place where you get your head chopped off.


As I understand it from him, I will get ripped off in every instance if I don't speak Chinese. Less than 1% speak english, and chances are they will not speak English at the hotel.
Yes, you are correct most likely you will get ripped off a few dollars hear and there but it's NOT all the time. It no different from places you have been to Cambodia, PP or Thailand. In general, most place in China, if they see a laowai, they are very nice, courtesy, polite because they want your business. Yes, English is not as widely spoken as PP or Thailand.

I have been in France and In my opinion it's a lot worst there. I had two friends where the taxis did not want to give back their change. Try speaking English to a French guy and say you are American. Most five star hotels in China have staff that can speak English. But in CP, there are no five star hotels. Prices at most places are set, like restaurants and hotels. You will be charged the same rate as the guy off the street.



As well as fucking the pussy, I could be eating it along with baked sparrow and turtle heads!
I can't believe you are Chinese. Chinese eat everything on four legs except for a table. Well, except is for eating pussy too. Chinese don't like eating pussies.


Restaurants shut at 8PM and even if you know what your eating, the food is crap. If you want western food it will cost the earth!
Maybe for steaks. I remember a few people were looking for good western steak house in China. There are restaurants that are opened 24/7. You can even get a girl 24/7. Yes, you might get sick if you go to a low-end street places. You can always go to McDonalds, Pizza Hut and KFC. Usually, the guys get together after pusssy and have dinner. Then usually say how good is the food, everything's usually gone. Humm crappy food??


In China, compared to the US, the food is cheap.


Ask for a coke and they don't know what it is?
Do you mean in Taiwan? There is a thing with Pepsi and Coke.


The Locals will travel on a train for 15 hours, It is so packed that they wear nappies, as they can not get to the toilet!
Yes, this is true for during Chinese New Year. You can always sit in 1st class section and stick you dick or butt out the window.


How much of this applies to CP?
SORRY YOU NEED TO READ THE FORUM. Most of your questions are newbie questions.


Do they speak English at lucky hotel?
No, not much, but you should not have a problem getting a room. Most people understand "Yes", "No" and numbers. They should be able to tell you how much in writing. Ninety-nine percent of the time the price of all hotel rooms are posted.

Humm, I though you were coming on early Nov then Dec. After reading some of you questions, I agree with the other members, stay out of China. You have been to Cambodia, Thailand and The Philippines and you donít know whatís a BBS or howís it Ďs run. It seems like you are paranoid of exploring your roots. If you are really Chinese, it's hard for me to believe you can't speak or understand a few words of Cantonese or Mandarin and you don't like Chinese food. Yes, stay out, it might not be for you. It seems like you will get into too much trouble and ruin it for everyone else.

Fast Eddie 48
10-25-07, 16:24
I have just been down the pub and speaking to someone who goes to China on a regular basis.

As I understand it from him, I will get ripped off in every instance if I don't speak Chinese. Less than 1% speak english, and chances are they will not speak English at the hotel.

As well as fucking the pussy, I could be eating it along with baked sparrow and turtle heads!

Restaurants shut at 8PM and even if you know what your eating, the food is crap. If you want western food it will cost the earth!

Ask for a coke and they don't know what it is?

The Locals will travel on a train for 15 hours, It is so packed that they wear nappies, as they can not get to the toilet!

How much of this applies to CP?

Do they speak English at lucky hotel?To Bold flocker:

You worry too much just give China a try what is the worst it will happen you don't likechina and get the hell out and go back to Thailand.

Questions and answer

I don't speak Chinese: yes are in trouble is not as easy as Thailand

Don't RTFF: yes you got problems

Worry to get rip off: yes you will be fuck instead of get fuck

Cheap westen food: McDonald open 24/7 in China now

Toilet in train bring some damper

Fast eddie 48

Legal Lad
10-25-07, 19:21
Haha,

Great replies guys. Bold Focker, RTFF. If you are a senior member, you really should know better.

On another note, I'll be in CP from Nov 6-13th or so. I'm a big fan of KTVs just because I'm fond of the artifical intimacy it provides. Tough for me to just go directly to the act. If anyone wants to hook up, and head out to my usual venue, Prince KTV, shoot me a pm.

Or if the gang is heading out to the Jia Yia let me know. I haven't been there yet, as its pretty far from the Prince, and I dont really care for the local taxis ;)

'lad

Santa
10-25-07, 20:19
I think everybody I know agrees that the girly service in Thailand and Phillipines is much better than in China. Also, many of the girls speak english and are more likely to hangout with you and have fun.

Guys who do not speak chinese find it difficult to have fun in China. Thailand and Phillipines is a better option for most mongers.

Bold Focker
10-25-07, 22:05
So when I go to MD and KFC I will be eating Rat burger and spicy or regular sparrow! Ok! As long as I know!

Weelock, I am not Chinese! The expression was meant as a newby to China.

Yes I have been to all of those places, But never been Into a bbs. Closes thing I would say is sophies in PP.

The reason I asked is I find it uneasy to look at about 5. 30 girls and instantly make a decision.

When I was in South America, I went to some appartments. In one appartment, you were directed to a room and girls sent in individually.

Next appartment you had a line up of girls.

It does not say on the forum that every BBS operates the same system or that you can't bone onsite.

The bar was wishfull thinking tho!

The suggestion I should go to PI, Well I am, I have 10 days there in Davao and AC. Then onto Cambodia where I have 2 weeks travelling overland to Pattaya before flying onto Shenzhen.

Like Burma, China was not top of my list, but you can't knock it until you have tried it!

Bold Focker
10-25-07, 22:19
So when i go to MD and KFC i will be eating Rat burger and spicy or regular sparrow!
Ok! As long as i know!

Weelock, I am not chinese! The expression was meant as a newby to China.
Yes i have been to all of those places, But never been Into a bbs. closes thing i would say is sophies in PP.

The reason I asked is i find it uneasy to look at about 5 - 30 girls and instantly make a decision.

When i was in south America, i went to some appartments. in one appartment, you were directed to a room and girls sent in individually.

next appartment you had a line up of girls.

It does not say on the forum that every BBS operates the same system or that you can't bone onsite.

The bar was wishfull thinking tho!

The suggestion I should go to PI, Well I am, I have 10 days there in Davao and AC. Then onto Cambodia where i have 2 weeks travelling overland to Pattaya before flying onto Shenzhen.

Like Burma, China was not top of my list, but you can't knock it until you have tried it!

Cowa Banga
10-25-07, 23:57
For all you senior members, that was funny. Some guys cant shake their Thai / Philippine paradigm.

Dan Hawaii
10-26-07, 03:20
Next thing you should know is all Chinese people have horns and bathe only once a year...

Best stay away from China... The guys here are into that kind of thing, but it's probably not your cup of tea.
The lucky ones that live near the river bathe in the river near CP, when they get the chance :) If they are far from the river, then they do like you said, once a year.

I saw lots of horny people the last trip :)

Xrelief
10-26-07, 09:17
Hello

Does anyone know if there is a bus from CP to Zhuhai?

Appreciate some help from experts or regulars on :


Is it safe by bus?

Where to board in CP?

fares and frequency/duration of travel?

Intend to spend 2 days in CP early November before going off to ZH.

I read through most of the RTFF but nothing much been touched upon this.

Thanks and this forum rocks!

Xrelief

Legal Lad
10-26-07, 11:44
Xrelief,

There is a bus that leaves from CP to Zhuhai every hour from 9 to 6 I believe. The ride is approximately 2hrs from memory and stops in Zhongshan as well. Don't hold me to it, but I remember the price to be 40 RMB or so


'lad

Fast Eddie 48
10-26-07, 16:25
Xrelief,

There is a bus that leaves from CP to Zhuhai every hour from 9 to 6 I believe. The ride is approximately 2hrs from memory and stops in Zhongshan as well. Don't hold me to it, but I remember the price to be 40 RMB or so

'ladTo Lad,

Wrong info cp to zhu hai cost 80 rmb every 40 min from 6am to 9, pm stop at zhong shan and dongguan take 2hr 30 min and it go to zhu hai xiangzhou stations north of gonbei take taxi is 20 min.

Options hui mei have one bus a day to Zhu hai gonbei station by cost is 68 rmb or 125 rmb roundtrip leave 8. 30 am and return to cp at 6. 45 pm I take it 2 week ago is a small older bus run by CTS.

Cts zhu hai 756-8328936

Fast Eddie 48

Old Mean Dog
10-26-07, 16:58
Xrelief,

There is a bus that leaves from CP to Zhuhai every hour from 9 to 6 I believe. The ride is approximately 2hrs from memory and stops in Zhongshan as well. Don't hold me to it, but I remember the price to be 40 RMB or so


'lad

I took a bus from Zhuhai to Dongguan City recently because they did not have a bus to CP from the bus station near the Macao border. The bus was fine and virtually nobody on it.

Now getting from DGC to CP is a *****, there is a bus to CP where you arrive from Zhuhai, but it stops at every freaking bus stop all the way to CP and it was slam ass packed with people....never do that leg again.

If you go that route, just get a taxi or driver from DGC to CP

-CPE

Xrelief
10-26-07, 17:30
Thanks 'lad & CPE

Appreciate your help in directions. I shall get the more details on the bus ride when I get to CP. But may end up taking a cab to ZH per CPE's advice.

I asked since its my maiden trip around the delta for roughly 10 days. Got all the sectors worked out except for this CP-ZH leg. Travelling alone for a change. Kinda excited. Haha.

I enjoyed reading most of the threads since Sept 2007 and the tons of info shared is just overwhelming! I particularly like CPE's and Fast Eddie 48's reports. Well done, Guys! Keep it up.

Will try to post some personal reports when I return. Hopefully informative reports to contribute.

Xrelief

Old Mean Dog
10-27-07, 03:40
Thanks 'lad & CPE

Appreciate your help in directions. I shall get the more details on the bus ride when I get to CP. But may end up taking a cab to ZH per CPE's advice.

I asked since its my maiden trip around the delta for roughly 10 days. Got all the sectors worked out except for this CP-ZH leg. Travelling alone for a change. Kinda excited. Haha.

I enjoyed reading most of the threads since Sept 2007 and the tons of info shared is just overwhelming! I particularly like CPE's and Fast Eddie 48's reports. Well done, Guys! Keep it up.

Will try to post some personal reports when I return. Hopefully informative reports to contribute.

Xrelief

You can hire a private car from the Lucky Hotel in CP to Zhuhai for 400 rmb which includes the road toll. Unless you can find a deal in Zhuhai, returns I was being quoted 600 to 800, but JohnnyKon in the Zhuhai thread might have some connections there.

Thanks for the props.

-CPE

Crazier
10-27-07, 03:45
I took a bus from Zhuhai to Dongguan City recently because they did not have a bus to CP from the bus station near the Macao border. The bus was fine and virtually nobody on it.

Now getting from DGC to CP is a *****, there is a bus to CP where you arrive from Zhuhai, but it stops at every freaking bus stop all the way to CP and it was slam ass packed with people....never do that leg again.

If you go that route, just get a taxi or driver from DGC to CP

-CPE

There are two recommended bus services between Zhuhai & CP. Also another one which I personally do not recommend because it throws you out on the main road about 3 km from CP on the way to ZMT.


1) The CTS bus service which goes from the basement of the Immigration/Customs Shopping centre of Gong Bei (Zhuhai) to the Hui Mei Hotel in CP. There is only one service a day. Call +86 756 8328936 Tickets at the basement booth of the CTS Macau Cross Border Travel Company.

This is a direct non stop service (with one toilet break) and the bus is usually half empty. EXCELLENT with a very polite driver.

a) Gong Bei to CP is supposed to be at 5.30pm thereabouts & CP to Gongbei is at 8.45 am (please recheck the timings) Call +86 769 83918888 Tickets can be bought at their office in Hui Mei Hotel.

IF I remember correctly, the fare is 68 rmb each way.

The main disadvantage is the timings both ways but, you can't have it all your way for such excellent costs. Its not structured for mongers, just normal commuters.


2) The other bus service goes from Zhuhai's Xiangzhou Bus Station and CP's main bus station many times a day. This bus goes with one stop in Dongguan Town.

Its not bad but is often crowded and I stopped using it because its not direct and sometimes, you get a vomitting local next to you and its SHITS!

the fare is about 75 rmb but I forget.

You also have to get between Gong Bei and Xiangzhou Bus station which is either a bus ride away (cheap at 2 rmb in aircon public bus) or by taxi for about 50-60 rmb. This was how I first travelled from Zhuhai to CP and something to check out ONCE if you want to check things out!

This info has been posted several times by various people already!

Hua Ge
10-27-07, 06:32
you can hire a private car from the lucky hotel in cp to zhuhai for 400 rmb which includes the road toll. unless you can find a deal in zhuhai, returns i was being quoted 600 to 800, but johnnykon in the zhuhai thread might have some connections there.

thanks for the props.

-cpe- if i am going to zh for a day trip, i book my driver for a return trip for about 600 - 650 kuia and he waits for me in zh. at time of booking, i tell him approx. how long i will be in zh so knows if he wants my business for the day or not. if i need him to drive me around zh then i give him a little more money. this saves him from going back to cp without a fare. negotiate your day trip return fare before you get in his car. if he is not your regular driver then pay him 400 kuai when you get to zh (fair price and gesture since he does not know you) and pay him the balance after you get back. get your driver's mobile number so you can call him when you're ready to head back.

- if you're staying for a few days in zh and you don't want to negotiate a return fare or be raped by a new driver in zh, get the mobile number of the driver that took you to zh and advise him that you will be calling him on... (give an estimated date and time) for a pick up. after he gives you his mobile number, call the number so your number will show up on the driver's phone and he will know who da fook you are when you call him for the return ride. he should pick you up from zh to cp for the same fare that he charge you when he dropped you off.

good luck!

Hua Ge
10-27-07, 07:02
A map link I find useful when my xiaojie tells me where she is from (a common introduction protocol in China after "Ni hao" - hello). http://www.johomaps.com/as/china/chinamap2.html

Run your mouse cursor over an area you're interested and if a hand shows up, double click to zoom in.

Pearl River Delta:

http://www.johomaps.com/as/china/guangdong/pearldelta.html map dated as 2006 so it does not include new freeways that have been built since then (pace at which infrastructure is being built in China astonishes most new visitors to the region) but it will at least give you and idea as to where cities are in relation to each other.

Enjoy

Xrelief
10-27-07, 07:35
Thank you so very much Crazier, Fast Eddie and CPE for the additional info.
Much appreciated and will take note.

Must be very taxing on you guys for all your past mongering experiences that i read from this forum..haha. I kundos on the fine details that was provided by everyone.

Personally, my experiences relates only to Bangkok, Manila, Singapore, Aust, KL and Sabah in Malaysia.

I did a BBS xiaomei once in GZ when i last visited July 2006. Feeling bored after dinner and my business partner wanting to go back to sleep in hotel, so being adventurous and horny, i hailed a cab and asked for any near massage places. GZ was pretty dead and not much actions due to crackdown back then. No even SWs near the popular hotel which i stayed. I read reports about lots hanging around the carpark but none in sight.

I landed in a kampung suburb off the main road. Recommended by the cabbie who suggested i walk around a long lane. Paid fare and he left.

There were kids and family houses all along the small lane. I was thinking have i been conned by the cabbie. How can there be ladies here i asked myself.

Walked around for a while and saw some shops with girls. No barber lights but definitely looked like barber chairs in shops. Glanced into maybe 3 or 4 of these BBSs along the lane as i walked and after awhile directly asked a mammy for ladies at the 2nd last shop. As usual 4-6 teens sitting around in the shop. Reading magazines, watching tv and doing their hair etc. Saw a cutie. maybe around 18 or so. Striked a price and followed to an apartment on 2nd floor after passing thru a few winding dark alleys.

The bed is probably an extremely thin mattress on plywood. ..At RMB100 paid directly to cutie after deed. No mammy fees. Im not complaining...haha. BBBJ and various positions with my own condom. Apparently, these girls do not bring any. I wonder if its the norm for locals here liking barebacks. Crappy place but satisfying shot to say the least. I didnt know i was able to fuck so hard and long...must be the prawns i ate or the petite size of the cutie !!

Next trip to China in 10 days time...intending to visit most of the places in CP recommended in this forum like the BBSs, saunas, night market except maybe KTVs ( travelling alone ) and off course will follow all the normal payment practises.

Will try to post some experiences later on. Hope i can remember all the details like the senior bros here...from names of xiaomeis, vital stats, right up to fine details of how they conduct their sessions..haha.

Cheers and happy cheonging.

Stay safe.

Xrelief

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OldAsiaHand
10-27-07, 08:20
So when i go to MD and KFC i will be eating Rat burger and spicy or regular sparrow!
Ok! As long as i know!

Weelock, I am not chinese! The expression was meant as a newby to China.
Yes i have been to all of those places, But never been Into a bbs. closes thing i would say is sophies in PP.

The reason I asked is i find it uneasy to look at about 5 - 30 girls and instantly make a decision.

When i was in south America, i went to some appartments. in one appartment, you were directed to a room and girls sent in individually.

next appartment you had a line up of girls.

It does not say on the forum that every BBS operates the same system or that you can't bone onsite.

The bar was wishfull thinking tho!

The suggestion I should go to PI, Well I am, I have 10 days there in Davao and AC. Then onto Cambodia where i have 2 weeks travelling overland to Pattaya before flying onto Shenzhen.

Like Burma, China was not top of my list, but you can't knock it until you have tried it!

Bold Focker,

I am glad to hear that you have decided to give China a miss. With your attitude, you would not be welcome and surely ripped off.

Just my POV.

OAH

Cowa Banga
10-27-07, 11:00
Hua Ge and Crazier,

Thanks for the info and maps.

Mc Fly XXX
10-28-07, 03:46
Intending to spend the coming weekend in CP. Anybody in town/willing to meet up? Then pls. drop me a pm. Thx!
Been to CP more than half a year ago with CPExpat and now looking for some fun weekend. Will be arriving early Sat afternoon with the train from HK. Not decided where to stay. Probably the Lucky again.

Weelock
10-28-07, 15:50
There are two recommended bus services between Zhuhai & CP. Also another one which I personally do not recommend because it throws you out on the main road about 3 km from CP on the way to ZMT.
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I think I took this route, from Zhuhai to Chang Ping. The first time I did this it was kind of heckdick since I was drop in the middle of nowhere. There are usually two people working on the bus, the bus driver and a person collecting fares. I tried to ask where is CP. She pointed to a big bus station about 200-300 yards away, a long walk. I could have taken a taxi too. As I got closer I noticed they were yellow buses for CP. This station is a bus depot where most of the buses end. I think I took the number 4 or 2 bus into CP. The cost was 2-3 RMB.

OFF TOPIC ON TRANSPORTATION COST:

The price of oil has gone up to around 85 to 90USD a barrel. Depending on where you are locate in the USA, the prices of gasoline is around 2.85 to 3.50 USD a gallon. Airlines have also increased their prices. I checked the prices for travel to China, WOW, it's going for about $1000-1400 for Dec but it's also during X-Mas. Some people predict we might go into a recession if the prices go any higher.


My guess is, the cost of gasoline has gone up in China too, like for transportation, taking a bus and for private cars within the last three months?
Is this true?

Zorro32
10-28-07, 21:42
Hi Acegallent

What is the address of Sandy's bbs in Dongguan?

If it is not convenient to post it here, can you email to [Email address deleted by Admin]?

Thank you,

Zorro

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Neuromancer
10-29-07, 12:05
OFF TOPIC ON TRANSPORTATION COST:

The price of oil has gone up to around 85 to 90USD a barrel. Depending on where you are locate in the USA, the prices of gasoline is around 2.85 to 3.50 USD a gallon. Airlines have also increased their prices. I checked the prices for travel to China, WOW, it's going for about $1000-1400 for Dec but it's also during X-Mas. Some people predict we might go into a recession if the prices go any higher.


My guess is, the cost of gasoline has gone up in China too, like for transportation, taking a bus and for private cars within the last three months?
Is this true?I believe that the price of gasoline is fixed, or at least it's heavily subsidized, so while you don't get spiraling gasoline prices you tend to run out once in a while.

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=1&art_id=55871&sid=16025288&con_type=1

Dodgy Fellow
11-03-07, 19:03
Just had a session at the Virgin Hotel this evening. Overall a disappointing event. Went through 3 batches of girls before settling on number 976. She wasn't into it; kept telling me to go faster and didn't even pretend to look at me when I was doing her missionary. I wouldn't have minded so much, but when I turned to look at the TV while doing her, she (while still facing the wall) told me not to look away from her.

Still, I tried to make the most of it, and in the end she got me off. But she was certainly not what I had in mind for tonight as far as Virgin Hotel attendants go.

Anyway, I'll own up to this dud being my fault. I didn't replace the girl after I picked her; chalk it up to my vain hope that I could've gotten her to warm up to me. According to one of the captains if you change the girl in the first 10 to 15 minutes of the session, depending on how far along you've gotten you either paid her 100 yuan, or none at all. I reckon the other saunas in the area would have a similar policy.

Right now I'm debating whether to try another Changping sauna tomorrow (to make up for today), or head to Macau for some (nonsexual) sightseeing.

Justinya77
11-04-07, 02:57
Just had a session at the Virgin Hotel this evening. Overall a disappointing event. Went through 3 batches of girls before settling on number 976. She wasn't into it; kept telling me to go faster and didn't even pretend to look at me when I was doing her missionary. I wouldn't have minded so much, but when I turned to look at the TV while doing her, she (while still facing the wall) told me not to look away from her.

Still, I tried to make the most of it, and in the end she got me off. But she was certainly not what I had in mind for tonight as far as Virgin Hotel attendants go.

Anyway, I'll own up to this dud being my fault. I didn't replace the girl after I picked her; chalk it up to my vain hope that I could've gotten her to warm up to me. According to one of the captains if you change the girl in the first 10 to 15 minutes of the session, depending on how far along you've gotten you either paid her 100 yuan, or none at all. I reckon the other saunas in the area would have a similar policy.

Right now I'm debating whether to try another Changping sauna tomorrow (to make up for today), or head to Macau for some (nonsexual) sightseeing.It's 09:53 now and at 12:00 there is an excellent Sauna that opens in Qi Shi which is about 20 minutes from Changping. I was going to go over and enjoy the 2-2.5 hour pleasure treatment.

Interested? I can arrange my driver to pick you up in Changping and then we can go over together.

Justinya77

OldAsiaHand
11-04-07, 05:21
The price in China just went up about 15% this week.



I believe that the price of gasoline is fixed, or at least it's heavily subsidized, so while you don't get spiraling gasoline prices you tend to run out once in a while.

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=1&art_id=55871&sid=16025288&con_type=1

OldAsiaHand
11-04-07, 05:34
It seems that, more often than not lately, the Yalan girls are not happy with 100 RMB + taxi fare after the deed. I gave a girl from one of the Yalan shops 115 RMB this week. She said, "Only 115?" I told her this is the standard price (service + taxi) and if she has any question about it she should call her mama. Her service was below average so I had no intention of giving her any tips. She picks up her phone in an attempt to fool me, then throws it back into her bag and leaves in a huff when she realizes that trick won't work. This same scenario is becoming the norm for me lately.

I do not usually discuss prices upfront with the mama or the girl, especially in the shops where we are regular customers. However, this may be necessary nowadays. The risk is that the service may be affected if the girl thinks you should be paying more for whatever reason.

Just my POV.

OAH

Santa
11-04-07, 06:08
I do not usually discuss prices upfront with the mama or the girl,

OAH

I think it is best to always "confirm the price" with the mama, in front of the girl, before you hand over the mama's fee.

Old Mean Dog
11-04-07, 12:18
I think it is best to always "confirm the price" with the mama, in front of the girl, before you hand over the mama's fee.

Seems mama will agree to 150/200 rmb, but as soon as the girl leaves the shop, she suddenly thinks she is a "free agent" and can renegotiate the price via tipping.

I had one who I was with a few times try to increase her price each time I called her over, so when she asked for 200 (not including mommies fee) the last time, I gave her 102 rmb (2 rmb for the bus), gentley shoved her ass out the door and told her to go away. Needless to say, she left in a huff and now gives me dirty looks whenever I return to that shop.

-CPE

Yelopan
11-05-07, 04:43
Hey-

Does anyone know anything about the Haiyatt GArden Hotel in Chang an district. I will be there Friday night and wonder if it is girl friendly or if their is anything around the area eg BBS to find some fun.

I searched the boards and found nothing.

Thanks for the help.

Lo Pan

Beijing Xiber
11-05-07, 05:17
The price in China just went up about 15% this week.
I paid Rmb 5.37 per litre for octane grade 93 on Saturday to fill up my tank here in BJ. Total cost was Rmb225. When we first got the car about 4 years ago, it only cost about Rmb130 to fill it up.

Joinem
11-05-07, 19:59
Hey-

Does anyone know anything about the Haiyatt GArden Hotel in Chang an district. I will be there Friday night and wonder if it is girl friendly or if their is anything around the area eg BBS to find some fun.

I searched the boards and found nothing.

Thanks for the help.

Lo PanSubtitles: . But thatís okay. I donít care. Silence of the lambs A tribute to the Philippine woman. ĎIím a simple girlí

I stayed in this hotel for several days three years ago. Very nice place and good prices. Did not test them for GF, but would be concerned because in the room there is a copy of the hotel RULES, and it is forbidden to have someone in your room for sex (except when married). Only hotel in China where I have seen that in print! That said, one can reach the elevators from the restaurant area (2nd floor) without making a public display.

They offer sauna and body massage facilities, but I did not try them. At the time, I had not RTFF!

Jonlim
11-06-07, 08:49
Hi too all brothers in here. I will be in changping this 8th nov. Any freebies or freelance that all the brother had tried? Will like to have it on this few days any recomendation from all the brothers? I will like to call them if I am there then.

OldAsiaHand
11-06-07, 13:13
Is there really a hotel anywhere in Dongguan that is not girl friendly? It would be a surprise to me!

OAH



Subtitles: . But thatís okay. I donít care. Silence of the lambs A tribute to the Philippine woman. ĎIím a simple girlí

I stayed in this hotel for several days three years ago. Very nice place and good prices. Did not test them for GF, but would be concerned because in the room there is a copy of the hotel RULES, and it is forbidden to have someone in your room for sex (except when married). Only hotel in China where I have seen that in print! That said, one can reach the elevators from the restaurant area (2nd floor) without making a public display.

They offer sauna and body massage facilities, but I did not try them. At the time, I had not RTFF!

Tile Man4
11-06-07, 13:39
Is there really a hotel anywhere in Dongguan that is not girl friendly? It would be a surprise to me!

OAH

Every hotel I stayed in China , I either got knocks on the door , late night telephone calls or offers of sex from bell boys papasan for their local hotel girls. So are there any hotels in China where I can get a full night sleep?

take care and be safe.

tile man

Basher55
11-06-07, 22:55
Subtitles: . But thatís okay. I donít care. Silence of the lambs A tribute to the Philippine woman. ĎIím a simple girlí

I stayed in this hotel for several days three years ago. Very nice place and good prices. Did not test them for GF, but would be concerned because in the room there is a copy of the hotel RULES, and it is forbidden to have someone in your room for sex (except when married). Only hotel in China where I have seen that in print! That said, one can reach the elevators from the restaurant area (2nd floor) without making a public display.

They offer sauna and body massage facilities, but I did not try them. At the time, I had not RTFF!There are quite a few hotels with this notice, some with some great english, sex forbidden, no wrestling in the room, no shooting of guns in the room etc etc.

Intrestingly most offer the room b the hour. As for the no sex in the room, not sure the managment enforce this that strictly as after 2 nights of a 7 night stay, i was banging the sexy manager!

Xrelief
11-07-07, 02:55
Hi everyone

Finally arrived in CP last night. For bros going thru CP via SZ airport, here's some info. A slightly longer route but cheaper than taking a cab direct to CP. I took "330" bus from exit door of SZ airport RMB20. 00 and about 30-40 minutes arrived West Building of SZ(Lowu) railway station. Bros need to walk towards main railway building. Get on a lift to 3rd floor and walked a long corridor to reach the east building. Take another lift to go down to the 1st floor. This is where the ticket counters are.

Walked around and get a China Mobile new Sim card for RMB160 which will come in handy.

Bought ticket from counter and the rude gal virtually threw back the change onto the till with the ticket. I saw a similar action by a young mammy who "threw' a pen onto the counter back to the receptionist at Miraton. Haha. So dun be surprised if you see things like these. Looks like an accepted practise here. Haha.

The express train to CP (dongguan station stop) is comfortable. Modern and clean. Costed RMB40. About 30 minutes travelling at 162km/hr to reach DG station. Got off and took a cab to miraton RMB20 which is standard price. The meter is normally on but not flagged. Lots of touts with their old 1970s bread vans but ignore their callings. From SZ airport to CP miraton, only paid total RMB 80 for tranport and took 1 hour +-10 mins. Cheap I guess.

Miraton is exceptionally good (room deco, facilities and all) but I reckon I was quoted a high price RMB408 per night for the Business suite with the free internet PC. I booked a normal standard room directly on their website 2 weeks back but they told me such room fully booked since they insisted I didn't let them have a China hp number when I booked. They 'could not' contact me and let me know about the full booking! I guess it could be a case of trying to upgrading your room so thay can charge more. Mind you, its a Tuesday.

I did ask the nearer hotels Virgin (30 meters up) on same road as miraton. Quoted RMB 227 for basic room and the deluxe RMB 259. Further up about 2 minutes walk (same road side) at Lucky hotel, only RMB211 for std room. Lots of rooms available. I may check out from miraton today and switch hotel just to check out either the Lucky or Virgin hotel. Also since miraton seemed to have conned me with a higher graded room. I reckon I shall be saving about RMB 150 per night. Not too much. But its a matter of principle.

Found out that at Hui Mei hotel (about 2 more minutes further up walking time after Lucky) that they have the CTC macau bus to ZH. Intending to use it tomorrow. RMB68. One service only from Hui Mei at 845am. From Gongbei ZH return would be 515pm. Journey time 2hours plus.

Went to the catacombs behind walter hotel. A short walk maybe 3 minutes into the left side lane of walter and reached the main catacomb entrance. From the map I downloaded off the forum it looks like a long walk but in fact, it was short stroll. Felt safe and nothing to worry walking the lanes even around evening time. When facing the catacomb entrance, try to turn right and walk up the lanes. Don't go left, nothing there. You will see lots of MMs standing about 10 metres from one another. Some virtually in middle of lanes. See one you like and she will guide you to her cubicle. Nothing fancy. Just a quickie. Place bit rundown but clean. Cost flat RMB30. BBBJ may need an extra RMB 20-40 depends on your bargaining. Girls maybe 16-18yrs old tops.

They do have blue coloured condoms (cheapo) but I bought me own durex.

CP girls which I saw on the streets are relatively young. 18-22yrs all pretty much dressed up better than the CP guys. There are lots of eye contacts as they walk pass you. You will only notice only these young girls look at you. All other older women don't except maybe with the mammys.

A rocking place CP and like someone said all hotels here girl friendly. Bellboys helpful. No need to tip anyone even at restaurants.

Will try out Yalan area later plus maybe go to the saunas for a good session.

Btw, viagra and similar drugs sold freely in pharmacies. No need prescription. Viagra 1 pill RMB175 and a pack of 5 RMB490. I bought some Chinese generic brand for RMB30 per pill. Haven tried out yet but just in case. Will post if effective. I took some pictures of the packaging with my hp. Can't post right now since no hp cable to PC.

Will continue.

Xrelief

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Old Mean Dog
11-07-07, 15:04
Hi everyone

Finally arrived in CP last night. For bros going thru CP via SZ airport, here's some info. A slightly longer route but cheaper than taking a cab direct to CP. I took "330" bus from exit door of SZ airport RMB20. 00 and about 30-40 minutes arrived West Building of SZ(Lowu) railway station. Bros need to walk towards main railway building. Get on a lift to 3rd floor and walked a long corridor to reach the east building. Take another lift to go down to the 1st floor. This is where the ticket counters are.

Will continue.

Xrelief


Where you the laowai, with the beard, walking in front of the McDonalds this evening? Think you had on a light orange shirt?

-CPE

Transporter
11-08-07, 01:23
I've now been here for a few days, and I am glad to say that CP is still the same.
I haven't been here for a good half year, and read the forums the other week, and it seemed like I was going to be in for a big shock. But for now I can say that it is the same.

Legal Lad
11-08-07, 08:47
Lad is in CP now too,

Just arrived and setting up my base of operations. Should be here a week or so. I plan to get in a few KTV and sauna sessions in. Shoot me a PM if anyone is in town.

I know OAH and a few others are in BJ, but would love to check out the Jia Yi as I didn't get an opportunity to go when it opened last year.

'lad

Transporter
11-10-07, 02:14
I've been here for a week now, and I am glad to say that the prices are still the same. I was a little worried when I read the forum last about the prices going up. The only thing that I've noticed an increase in (and a little disturbed about) is the food prices from the eating establishments on the main thoroughfare. It's not that I eat at those places often, but sometimes it is just convenient, especially when you have a group of people.

Porter

Wadman
11-10-07, 12:49
The "corporate rate" for a standard room at the Miraton is now 358 RMB. Business must be good there, as their prices keep rising, and their service keeps dropping. Personally, I have had a couple of incidents of rude behaviour from their staff. Others have reported the same.

408 RMB for a "business" suite with free internet PC sounds about right. If I recall correctly, their rooms with the free PC has always been an extra 50 RMB. That is the only difference btw, otherwise the room is the same size, etc.

Xrelief, you are right, on a Tuesday they probably had available standard rooms but refused to honour your reservation to force to you to a higher priced room. They have done it before. If you do decide to switch to another hotel, I would tell their staff/managers the reason why (when checking out), if I were you. Maybe if people complain enough about their prices/service/ethics they will change. And of course, back up your complaints by switching to another hotel.






Miraton is exceptionally good (room deco, facilities and all) but I reckon I was quoted a high price RMB408 per night for the Business suite with the free internet PC. I booked a normal standard room directly on their website 2 weeks back but they told me such room fully booked since they insisted I didn't let them have a China hp number when I booked. They 'could not' contact me and let me know about the full booking! I guess it could be a case of trying to upgrading your room so thay can charge more. Mind you, its a Tuesday.

GeorgeMiller
11-10-07, 14:59
I'm in Dongguan for a week. Need some help to find good sauna around here. Can you help?


It's 09:53 now and at 12:00 there is an excellent Sauna that opens in Qi Shi which is about 20 minutes from Changping. I was going to go over and enjoy the 2-2.5 hour pleasure treatment.

Interested? I can arrange my driver to pick you up in Changping and then we can go over together.

Justinya77

Old Mean Dog
11-10-07, 16:54
The "corporate rate" for a standard room at the Miraton is now 358 RMB. Business must be good there, as their prices keep rising, and their service keeps dropping. Personally, I have had a couple of incidents of rude behaviour from their staff. Others have reported the same.

I always liked the Lucky Hotel, cheap and clean and the only hotel I have been in CP that didn't object to me doing lineups in the lobby, or the hallway or right outside my door. Talk sweet to them and they might give you one of the rooms that have internet access.

If you are looking to go cheaper, but still want a clean, comfortable room, try the Hui Yu Hotel, kind of behind the Lucky and near the Hui Mei BBS area. No internet, but they have a big Internet Bar downstairs with fast service.

Been to the Lion Hotel many times for a massage and have seen the rooms, small but nice. They are a good price, but it is at the other end of the street from the Miraton. Not sure about internet.

They just built a 99 rmb hotel? kind of like a 7 Days Inn here, it is located in between the Miraton and New Century Hotels. I am sure it is very basic and you may need to share a bathroom.

Others: Walter, New Century, Kong Mei, Hui Hwe, Hui Mei, Virgin and quite a few other smaller hotels in the main area of town.

If your here just to have sex, why not stay at the Yalan? Decent and clean rooms with a good price and you don't even have to go outside the hotel, as you can just wave the mommies over from your window.


-CPE

Crazier
11-10-07, 16:59
Xrelief, you are right, on a Tuesday they probably had available standard rooms but refused to honour your reservation to force to you to a higher priced room. They have done it before. If you do decide to switch to another hotel, I would tell their staff/managers the reason why (when checking out), if I were you. Maybe if people complain enough about their prices/service/ethics they will change. And of course, back up your complaints by switching to another hotel.

This last week, they were running full even on Tuesday because of a very large group there in the Miraton.

The result was they screwed up many guests including people I had booked there so that they ended up in having to check into more expensive rooms!

The current Director of Rooms is an A**h**le" who will virtually be on the back of his front office staff asking them to grab walk in guests whenever the hotel fills up.

If you are not contactable when they ring you about your room say at 5pm, don't be surprised to find your reservation "lost". This happens each weekend and any day the hotel runs near full.

My take is to shift business elsewhere at every opportunity. After all, the shower is badly designed and water leaks into the rest of the toilet all the time!

There was a time when I liked the hotel enough to tolerate this defect but now, the way it's managed with a rate higher than the better Hui Hua, it makes no sense! SCREW THEM!

Rising Son
11-10-07, 17:54
Sorry to read about all these problems with the Miraton. I've always liked it, but it sounds like they've decided to screw over their guests whenever possible, since they're now so fully booked.

This surprises me, because during both my stays there they could not have been nicer or more accommodating. Although I agree that the showers were designed by someone who apparently has never taken one.

It feels to me like some organized complaining is called for, if we want to make an effort to rectify the situation. OAH has booked dozens of people in -- would he be interested in reporting that he's heard from acquaintances that they've been badly treated in the hotel? I'd be happy to do it, but I won't be back there until late February or perhaps early March.

And everybody who's been shafted there should make a point of going up the chain of command and complaining to the manager.

What do you think, OAH -- is it worth the effort?

RS

Wadman
11-10-07, 18:38
I always liked the Lucky Hotel, cheap and clean and the only hotel I have been in CP that didn't object to me doing lineups in the lobby, or the hallway or right outside my door. Talk sweet to them and they might give you one of the rooms that have internet access.


I like the Lucky too, not as nice or clean as the Hui Hua, but much cheaper at around 200 rmb (price depends on what kind of room your are getting).



They just built a 99 rmb hotel? kind of like a 7 Days Inn here, it is located in between the Miraton and New Century Hotels. I am sure it is very basic and you may need to share a bathroom.


The sign outside the "99 rmb hotel" says that the price is 99 rmb for MEMBERS. Not sure what that means, as I have not bothered to go in and ask. My guess is you have to buy a certain amount of coupons or stay for a minimum amount of nights to qualify as a member.




If your here just to have sex, why not stay at the Yalan? Decent and clean rooms with a good price and you don't even have to go outside the hotel, as you can just wave the mommies over from your window.
-CPE

Yalan is fine for ST, but I have stayed there overnight before and I dislike it. Crappy area, and there is something about the hotel itself that is creepy. When Lily (one of the mamas) was there, I had a reason to stay at the Yalan, because if I got lousy service from her girls, she would come over and mediate. Now I get most of my BBS girls from Sandy (the butt ugly mama). There is no way I am calling her to my room, who knows what she might try on me!

As for the Walter hotel...was at their KTV a few days ago, and they have some seriously ugly girls there. How ugly were they? They were so ugly that only the Walter had any available KTV rooms on a Friday around 5 PM. Every other major KTV in CP was booked solid.

Zero Cool
11-10-07, 20:08
Hey-

Does anyone know anything about the Haiyatt GArden Hotel in Chang an district. I will be there Friday night and wonder if it is girl friendly or if their is anything around the area eg BBS to find some fun.

I searched the boards and found nothing.

Thanks for the help.

Lo PanI stay at the Haiyatt all the time. There is no problem getting girls to the room. Late at night there is a parade of KTV girls going back to the rooms. They also have in room massage available. Go to the 4th floor and the mama will give you her card to arrange.

Cheers,

Zero

One Wing Low
11-11-07, 01:18
Here's the business card for Flora, a mamasan at the Sheraton Dongguan KTV. She speaks no English. A Taiwanese guy in the lobby interpreted for us.

She got us a smaller KTV room for 290Y minimum which is offset by any drinks you order. She should be able to book reservations and set you up for discounts in the KTV and any sort of girls of your fancy.

Li Ming Chien is a young manager there, speaks no English. Not sure what he does there for a living, except dropping into the room while we were feeling up the girls, smiling broadly, smooching a beers or two.

In fact, it seemed the entire management team at Sheraton KTV made themselves our friends, coming in and out of our room, smooching beers. At the rate they were drinking, it's wise to order a case of beers, you get a second case free. It fills them up quickly. Ordering expensive cognacs or whiskeys and you may be in for a big shock at the end.

The KTV girls did suggest we tip the mamasan and this guy Chien 100Y each, even though they did not like it. It seems their jobs depend on these 2 people.

Santa
11-11-07, 01:26
Here are some more options.

Manhattan Service Apartments on SwanLake Road. Tel: (86-769) 83902233. Fax 83902211.

The JiaYi KTV Hotel has very nice rooms for only 230rmb.

Somebody recently reported that they stayed at the Amazon KTV Hotel and had everything stolen from their safebox.

Transporter
11-11-07, 05:13
It may be helpful to understand a little about how the hotels work around here. Basically, a "reservation" may not mean the same to the Chinese hotel industry as it may to you or I.
A reservation means that they know you want the room for that day, but they would prefer to have the money in hand for that room, and would easily hire it to someone else standing in front of them with cash in hand, thus if they are not able to reach you via phone or other methods, they will release it to someone else if they don't have any other rooms available (does not apply to all hotels....the ratio would depend upon how much in demand that particular hotel is in).
A lot of the hotel rooms are booked before hand, not by the hotel, but by agents working in the town. Take for example the Miraton, the hotel may be 100% booked according the Miraton, but that is because the independent agents working in the town had already bought 80% of the room for the month.
There are services you can buy here in town that buy the rooms in advance, they purchase 200-1000 rooms for the month, which they prepay for, so those rooms are "booked".
It is easy to hook up with one of these services, and they will be happy to reserve you one of their rooms. There is no difference, in booking through one of these agents, or booking via the hotel, as the agents get bulk discounts on their room purchase, and in turn offer the room to you at the same low price that you best would be able to get. The difference is that you would pay these agents instead of the hotel, and they are more familiar with the word reservation. Also they provide a lot of other services that we "hobbyist" would be most interested in.

Mongerxx
11-11-07, 06:28
The Miraton Reservation Policy reminds me a lot of this famous scene from Seinfled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSZYsyrP3Co

"See you know how to take the reservation.... But you don't know how to hold the reservation. And that is the most important part of the reservation.... the hold."

Cowa Banga
11-11-07, 07:02
CPX,

Thanks for the info on the hotels.

Wadman
11-11-07, 08:32
Transporter,

you hit the nail on the head. In China (CP anyway), you can make a reservation without providing a credit card number or any other guarantee. You just call (or text) them and provide a name. If you decide to NOT show up and honour the reservation, the hotel has no way to charge you for lost income. That is why they want you to re-confirm the reservation around 5 PM, or else give your room away if it is busy. Different system from western countries, but perfectly reasonably.

However, if you are a "lao ke" (old/frequent customer), and have stayed there many times before, and always honoured your reservations this should be different. Especially if you give them a lot of business by making booking for friends and clients. It's all about money in southern China of course, if you give them that much business, you expect more respect. Miraton does not seem to understand this concept. They have enough bookings now that they can afford to thumb their noses at returning customers.

KTV bookings work the same. On weekends, things get really busy in CP. They want to reconfirm your booking around 6 PM. Even if you do, but show up much later (30-60 minutes later) they will give your room away. Unless you are a repeat customer, and especially if you are a big spender (drinker) inside the KTV. Then they will bend over backwards trying to find you a room. Which, again, illustrates my beef with Miraton: they don't know how to respect their repeat/bigger customers.




It may be helpful to understand a little about how the hotels work around here. Basically, a "reservation" may not mean the same to the Chinese hotel industry as it may to you or I.
A reservation means that they know you want the room for that day, but they would prefer to have the money in hand for that room, and would easily hire it to someone else standing in front of them with cash in hand, thus if they are not able to reach you via phone or other methods, they will release it to someone else if they don't have any other rooms available (does not apply to all hotels....the ratio would depend upon how much in demand that particular hotel is in).
A lot of the hotel rooms are booked before hand, not by the hotel, but by agents working in the town. Take for example the Miraton, the hotel may be 100% booked according the Miraton, but that is because the independent agents working in the town had already bought 80% of the room for the month.
There are services you can buy here in town that buy the rooms in advance, they purchase 200-1000 rooms for the month, which they prepay for, so those rooms are "booked".
It is easy to hook up with one of these services, and they will be happy to reserve you one of their rooms. There is no difference, in booking through one of these agents, or booking via the hotel, as the agents get bulk discounts on their room purchase, and in turn offer the room to you at the same low price that you best would be able to get. The difference is that you would pay these agents instead of the hotel, and they are more familiar with the word reservation. Also they provide a lot of other services that we "hobbyist" would be most interested in.

OldAsiaHand
11-11-07, 12:18
RS,

They still treat me pretty well, (probably because I am laowai), but I have also heard similar complaints from many friends about the service. They tried to pull that "Computer Room" bullshit on me a couple times when I booked late, but I just refused and they found a standard room for me. I nearly always book on the same day as arrival.

The rate has gone from 268 to 338 (weekdays) in less than a year and the rooms are starting to get a bit worn e.g. carpets are getting pretty dirty. When I mention this, they just ignore me. More often than not, the internet has problems. They do tend to sort it out because I complain loudly. But, the GM runs and hides when he sees guests approaching. The shower leakage is a joke, but the water pressure is great. Best advise is to befriend the Asst. Managers. They are pretty helpful.

That said, I looked at the Hui Hua rooms last week and, IMHO, found them to be basically the same quality (a bit cleaner) as Miraton for the same price. I will probably try it on my next visit.

Just my POV.

OAH




Sorry to read about all these problems with the Miraton. I've always liked it, but it sounds like they've decided to screw over their guests whenever possible, since they're now so fully booked.

This surprises me, because during both my stays there they could not have been nicer or more accommodating. Although I agree that the showers were designed by someone who apparently has never taken one.

It feels to me like some organized complaining is called for, if we want to make an effort to rectify the situation. OAH has booked dozens of people in -- would he be interested in reporting that he's heard from acquaintances that they've been badly treated in the hotel? I'd be happy to do it, but I won't be back there until late February or perhaps early March.

And everybody who's been shafted there should make a point of going up the chain of command and complaining to the manager.

What do you think, OAH -- is it worth the effort?

RS

Crazier
11-11-07, 16:59
It may be helpful to understand a little about how the hotels work around here. Basically, a "reservation" may not mean the same to the Chinese hotel industry as it may to you or I.
A reservation means that they know you want the room for that day, but they would prefer to have the money in hand for that room, and would easily hire it to someone else standing in front of them with cash in hand, thus if they are not able to reach you via phone or other methods, they will release it to someone else if they don't have any other rooms available (does not apply to all hotels....the ratio would depend upon how much in demand that particular hotel is in).


T.,

I do understand how hotels work there and take extra trouble to discuss and get assurances from the contact sales person of the Miraton that the reservation is held until arrival.

Where the guest is expected to arrive late, I do offer credit card details to ensure the room is held.

Last week, the idiot customer & his group did not confirm with us his arrival time nor other matters so in a way contributed to his own "demise".

However, forumners here should be alerted about the behavior of the current Director of Rooms. He in particular is always in the vicinity of the front office grabbing at walk ins and ordering cancellations of reservations whenever the opportunity strikes. There is no respect for old customers nor accounts which have been reasonable volume in recent times. In one instance, I wasted time and money on my telephone "fighting him" to ensure that he did not give away one of my reservations which he was doing!

I post this because I get this information from within the front office staff who has previously worked there, someone who used to work as the Ast Front Office manager in the outfit. With the last week's screw up, I have made a final decision to use the Miraton as a "hotel of last resort."

There are many options and they would include the Hui Hua (which actually works out cheaper at 318 for the standard room), the Walter, at about the same standard and cheaper price level, the Jiayi (@168) right in the thick of the action (both Yalan BBS & Taoyuan KTV), a nice new hotel (name forgotton) further down the main road of the Walter & Hui Hua and others that have been listed here.

OldAsiaHand
11-11-07, 20:07
There are many options and they would include the Hui Hua (which actually works out cheaper at 318 for the standard room)

I stand corrected. The rooms on 1-10 floors are only 318. Above are 338.

OAH

Legal Lad
11-12-07, 02:52
Anyone in CP area want to stop by for some monday night signing and swinging? Gonna hit the KTV at the Prince again tonight, and wouldnt mind some company who can also provide color commentary on the beauties.

Shoot me a PM if your interested.


'lad

Transporter
11-12-07, 04:55
If you don't want to use one of the local room booking services (I would recommend it), then just show up in person and book a room.
The only times that you will have resistance is on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Any other day is not a problem to get a room. Just stand your ground, the first one to back down is the loser. Make a lot of noise, yell at um as much as you can, sooner or later they will miraculously find you a room.

RasSpewtin
11-12-07, 06:47
Transporter:

I agree with you in principle, but with exception to the "yell as loud as you can" part. Anger is not a good negotiating tool. Two cases in point:

Case #1, What Works Best (IMHO):
State your case, let them know that you have been a good customer, remain calm, and negotiate your point without anger. Use a tactic that the Chinese invented, from the Art of War by Sun Tsu. The concept is simple, but hard to replicate in reality. It involves wearing your enemy out with passive resistance. Hold their attention, do not relent, and look them in the eye to the end. Eventually, they will tire and relent. For example, I have seen OAH argue his case. He does not invoke anger, at least from what I have seen. He makes light of it, smiles, and persists. This works, and it can turn the enemy into a valuable ally.

Case #2, How to Look Like an Angry White Guy:
Get angry, bang your fist on the front desk, and watch yourself be alienated by degrees. This tactic might work, but you have made an enemy forever. This person may assist you again, but only out of fear. This tactic has limited longevity. For example, I was with a nameless wingman who freaked out repeatedly in Pattaya, and eventually his anger made me guilty by association in the eyes of the locals. Thus I abondoned wingman, and allowed him to crash and burn. The Thais really donít respect people who lose their temper. Same goes for China. I am not implying that this is your approach. I only offer a POV. I only wish that I could honestly claim that I have never used this tactic in moments of frustration.

Just my 10 centsí worth, and donít take any of this as an affront against you personally;
Raz



If you don't want to use one of the local room booking services (I would recommend it), then just show up in person and book a room.
The only times that you will have resistance is on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Any other day is not a problem to get a room. Just stand your ground, the first one to back down is the loser. Make a lot of noise, yell at um as much as you can, sooner or later they will miraculously find you a room.

Transporter
11-13-07, 02:17
I know its hard to believe, (and I still can't do it) and it took me a good number of years before I could feel just a little comfortable about it, but it works....It works everywhere, when getting food, a cab or arguing with a mommie.
Of course this is more of a last resort.

Porter

Dan Hawaii
11-13-07, 09:17
If they give up your reservation or try the BS upgrade to computer room, why not just leave and go to another hotel. Hui Hua and Hui Mei are just a skip and a jump away. Just tell them you going to their competitors and walk away. Why let them spoil your vacation. Just my POV.

GeorgeMiller
11-13-07, 16:42
Hey im Dongguan,

Arev you going CP or other places? Would not mind to join if you are.

Let me know.

Thanks


Anyone in CP area want to stop by for some monday night signing and swinging? Gonna hit the KTV at the Prince again tonight, and wouldnt mind some company who can also provide color commentary on the beauties.

Shoot me a PM if your interested.

'lad

Manfest
11-13-07, 23:08
Met up with Transporter in the afternoon. Great guy, very helpful and introduced me to a guy that knows a guys that knows a guy. They can get you anything from a Gucci bag to special condoms to drivers. Thanks it will be a great resource, and it was great meeting you.

That evening, met with CPExpat, BillLee and CPE's wingman. Always a pleasure meeting people with similar interests and high moral fiber. We had a great time.

Edited picture of my temporary girlfriend. If only the picture could transmit the smell, feel and playfulness of a 19 yo, ahhhh....

Bill, I know that looking at voluptuous, lovely, tasty breasts isn't enough for you, so I'll send you different pictures!

Old Mean Dog
11-14-07, 03:41
Met up with Transporter in the afternoon. Great guy, very helpful and introduced me to a guy that knows a guys that knows a guy. They can get you anything from a Gucci bag to special condoms to drivers. Thanks it will be a great resource, and it was great meeting you.

That evening, met with CPExpat, BillLee and CPE's wingman. Always a pleasure meeting people with similar interests and high moral fiber. We had a great time.

Edited picture of my temporary girlfriend. If only the picture could transmit the smell, feel and playfulness of a 19 yo, ahhhh....

Bill, I know that looking at voluptuous, lovely, tasty breasts isn't enough for you, so I'll send you different pictures!

It was always good to see you again, my friend.

Wow, that's a nice rack and she seemed like a really happy girl!! I hope I can get over to that shop and grab her before that damn Bill Lee fella does.

-CPE

Bill Lee
11-14-07, 05:58
As previously reported, there's not much that have changed in CP. Not even the area behind Hui Mei. The shops and the same mommies and 1 male pimp are still there. But they're trying to raise their price to 200RMB.

At Yalan, same shops and mommies.

However, Swan Lake is under renovation and you have to walk about another 50 yard to the R2 (?) KTV and disco club to see the lineup. That's the club with the big Hennessey poster on the wall and the entrance (looking from across the street) is on the left side of the building. Now it's just one big KTV girl waiting room. I was there on Tuesday, at 4pm, about 30 girls who gives you very little attention (unlike the 2nd floor KTV across from Yalan hotel) when you walk in. The good thing is that there's no more Swan Lake mommies blocking you in their small rooms.

Manfest. that girl is a hottie but I have already had a Chengdu girl with the same size rack at 6:00 p.m. after my 4 o'clock chicken run. So I was satisfied already.

"high moral fiber": Manfest. Are you referring to Bill's lack of interest in getting laid that evening and instead opt to go back to the hotel to take a dump? This my friend is what happens when you start to get old and the other bodily
functions are more important that banging the night away.

Santa. Stop playing with yourself.

Bill

SE Asia Joe
11-14-07, 08:15
ok ok i should first rtff - but i just got back from donguan - the second time this past week and i've pretty well decided that this is going to be next mongering hang out for me. (for the sake of convenience from hkg, price, selection and most important, a change of scene from my old usual haunts of shenzhen)
my friends took me on the bus from luohu (rmb 47 from bay 39) to donguan city, and went to the k-ok at the waterfall garden hotel. rates are 2-8-11 the place is quite nice and the gals are a lot of fun (at least mine was - all giggly and boisterous the whole night). 5 of us shared a bottle of black label (jeez - hope it wasn't fake!!) and a dozen beers/mixers with 5 gals and a dj. the total bill (large room) for the drinks, dj etc was rmb1,300 and of course we all took care of our own girls.
1. is this a good price for donguan? its quite a bit cheaper than shenzhen to me
2. are there better/more value places in donguan city?
3. changping/houjie/other donguan area place - are they better places to hang out for mongering compared to dg city?
4. travel suggestions for the different localities - i.e. when shud i take the direct train from hkg, or the hi speed train from shenzhen, or take the bus like i did (btw, i went back to hkg by taking the bus from dg city to huangang (rmb45) and then taking the bus to wanchai - journey time less than 2 hours).
5. any other suggestions/input/perspective on how a newbie to donguan should approach this quite vast area of mongering. i live in hkg and usually screw around a couple times a week in china.
and as far as rtff - yes, of course i did and in fact i've been reading isg quite faithfully and very regularly for at least 3 or 4 years. but donguan does get me all confused - sooooooo much choice, variety, prices, ways etc etc.!!
thanks
se asia joe

Pointpanic
11-14-07, 14:59
Nice job with the camera Manfest. That's a great contribution. Bill Lee get a new camera quick! or borrow CP's Wingman's. Wish I could be there with you guys. WaikikiBob


Met up with Transporter in the afternoon. Great guy, very helpful and introduced me to a guy that knows a guys that knows a guy. They can get you anything from a Gucci bag to special condoms to drivers. Thanks it will be a great resource, and it was great meeting you.

That evening, met with CPExpat, BillLee and CPE's wingman. Always a pleasure meeting people with similar interests and high moral fiber. We had a great time.

Edited picture of my temporary girlfriend. If only the picture could transmit the smell, feel and playfulness of a 19 yo, ahhhh....

Bill, I know that looking at voluptuous, lovely, tasty breasts isn't enough for you, so I'll send you different pictures!

Xmen6900
11-14-07, 22:13
Dear Peole, I Need A Lot Of Informations About This Hotel And About Girls.

I Will Be In The Hotel Next Week, I Know Is A 5 Star Hotel With Ktv.

Could You Help To Me About Ktv?

How To Get Girl In Ktv?

How To Pay?

Is Possible Overnight?

Many Thanks In Advance

======================================

Hi Xmen6900,

I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...

Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!

Jackson

Dan Hawaii
11-15-07, 01:05
Met up with Transporter in the afternoon. Great guy, very helpful and introduced me to a guy that knows a guys that knows a guy. They can get you anything from a Gucci bag to special condoms to drivers. Thanks it will be a great resource, and it was great meeting you.

That evening, met with CPExpat, BillLee and CPE's wingman. Always a pleasure meeting people with similar interests and high moral fiber. We had a great time.

Edited picture of my temporary girlfriend. If only the picture could transmit the smell, feel and playfulness of a 19 yo, ahhhh....

Bill, I know that looking at voluptuous, lovely, tasty breasts isn't enough for you, so I'll send you different pictures!
Wow, that's so beautiful, near perfect. Nice shape, but I may prefer a little more perkier. Perfect size and "pink color". Great skin tone.

I got to call someone, like my travel agent.

Legal Lad
11-15-07, 09:52
Simple steps to perform at a KTV.

1. Put 40,000RMB on the table in front of the girls.
2. Allocate approximately 1/4 to the bill tab.
3. Allocate another 1/4 to the various girls that keep you company.
4. Pay the rest to the girl you like best.

Believe me, you cant miss, you will get laid with the lady of your choice. Now if you are budget conscious, RTFF.

'lad

Dan Hawaii
11-15-07, 10:52
ok ok i should first rtff - but i just got back from donguan - the second time this past week and i've pretty well decided that this is going to be next mongering hang out for me. (for the sake of convenience from hkg, price, selection and most important, a change of scene from my old usual haunts of shenzhen)
my friends took me on the bus from luohu (rmb 47 from bay 39) to donguan city, and went to the k-ok at the waterfall garden hotel. rates are 2-8-11 the place is quite nice and the gals are a lot of fun (at least mine was - all giggly and boisterous the whole night). 5 of us shared a bottle of black label (jeez - hope it wasn't fake!!) and a dozen beers/mixers with 5 gals and a dj. the total bill (large room) for the drinks, dj etc was rmb1,300 and of course we all took care of our own girls.
1. is this a good price for donguan? its quite a bit cheaper than shenzhen to me
2. are there better/more value places in donguan city?
3. changping/houjie/other donguan area place - are they better places to hang out for mongering compared to dg city?
4. travel suggestions for the different localities - i.e. when shud i take the direct train from hkg, or the hi speed train from shenzhen, or take the bus like i did (btw, i went back to hkg by taking the bus from dg city to huangang (rmb45) and then taking the bus to wanchai - journey time less than 2 hours).
5. any other suggestions/input/perspective on how a newbie to donguan should approach this quite vast area of mongering. i live in hkg and usually screw around a couple times a week in china.
and as far as rtff - yes, of course i did and in fact i've been reading isg quite faithfully and very regularly for at least 3 or 4 years. but donguan does get me all confused - sooooooo much choice, variety, prices, ways etc etc.!!
thanks
se asia joe
yo joe, i know you are bust up, so i will help you out and won't tell you to rtff. i know cp alittle bit and i think it is the best place to monger in dg. the prices are cheaper than sz, with the exception of the seibu bbs are suppose to be better in quality than yalan bbs and it is the same price 200rmb. your ktv girl in dg city is more expensive than cp, most all ktvs in cp are 2-5-8. the drinks may be the same price, if not cheaper. cp has a lot to offer, fs massage, saunas, ktv, bbs, fs footies, and just eye candy everywhere you go. it is the best place in south china, if not the world. just my pov.

where do you live, hkg, is that hong kong,... "g" is what? anyways, you can take the bus from sz to cp and it takes only 1 hour and is pretty cheap. if you live in hk, then just take the subway to the sz border and get on a bus to cp. or take the train from sz to east dg which is practically in cp, just a 15 rmb taxi ride. i know one time i took the train from hk to guongzhou, hmmm that was like 15 years ago. i wonder if you can take the train from hk to east dg station? anyways, i'm not very informed about travel.

SE Asia Joe
11-15-07, 11:34
thanks - yes i live in hong kong, and yeah i do need to get my bearings back mongering in dongguang area. i've mostly been in the shenzhen area past few years and only visited dg sporadically - that now i get mixed up between between dg city, houjie and changping and i've lost touch with prices, best places etc.
what i've found out from rtff, doing my own rx, asking around and a few pm's from guys here (thanks y'all!) are the following routes to go up there -
- direct train from hunghom (clear hkg custom here, and prc custom at arrival) to changping/dongguang which takes just over an hour - 11 departures/arrival per day
- take the kcrc to lowu, cross over and take the crh high speed train - frequent schedules (i think every half hour or so) and arrive at either changping or zungmuktou in about 20 minutes.
- or take the buses to the 3 different areas. for dg city i know youjust board the bus on bay #39 - anyone here know which bay for cp and houjie?
- take the cross border buses to huangang and switch to the bus to dg city which departs every half hour or so on the 50 and 20 from 7;15 am to 7;30 pm last on bay #14. anybody know if there are services from huangang to cp and/or houjie and where to take it?

any other suggestions as to how to get to the action places in dongguang area? suggestions on best happenings there?
again thru rtff and rx etc - i figure changping is the place to go to and the best places to stay are
the miraton, jia yi, virgin, lucky, new century, kong mei, hui hwe, hui mei and for those flushed at the goodview and crown prince hotel. are these all at cp - how about the houjie places i.e jia hua etc
and as far k-ok's these hotels all have pretty good facilities.
any toher info?
thanks
se asia joe



yo joe, i know you are bust up, so i will help you out and won't tell you to rtff. i know cp alittle bit and i think it is the best place to monger in dg. the prices are cheaper than sz, with the exception of the seibu bbs are suppose to be better in quality than yalan bbs and it is the same price 200rmb. your ktv girl in dg city is more expensive than cp, most all ktvs in cp are 2-5-8. the drinks may be the same price, if not cheaper. cp has a lot to offer, fs massage, saunas, ktv, bbs, fs footies, and just eye candy everywhere you go. it is the best place in south china, if not the world. just my pov.

where do you live, hkg, is that hong kong,... "g" is what? anyways, you can take the bus from sz to cp and it takes only 1 hour and is pretty cheap. if you live in hk, then just take the subway to the sz border and get on a bus to cp. or take the train from sz to east dg which is practically in cp, just a 15 rmb taxi ride. i know one time i took the train from hk to guongzhou, hmmm that was like 15 years ago. i wonder if you can take the train from hk to east dg station? anyways, i'm not very informed about travel.

Old Mean Dog
11-15-07, 17:13
Where do you live, HKG, is that Hong Kong,... "G" is what? Anyways, you can take the bus from SZ to CP and it takes only 1 hour and is pretty cheap. If you live in HK, then just take the subway to the SZ border and get on a bus to CP. Or take the train from SZ to east DG which is practically in CP, just a 15 rmb taxi ride. I know one time I took the train from HK to Guongzhou, hmmm that was like 15 years ago. i wonder if you can take the train from HK to east DG station? Anyways, I'm not very informed about travel.

Dan,

HKG is the city code the airlines use, if you look at your luggage tag next time you fly into HK (HKG) you will notice it.

Yes, you can take a direct train from HK to DG Station and vice versa, they have around 6-8 trains a day, if I remember correctly.

-CPE

Dan Hawaii
11-15-07, 23:08
Dan,

HKG is the city code the airlines use, if you look at your luggage tag next time you fly into HK (HKG) you will notice it.

Yes, you can take a direct train from HK to DG Station and vice versa, they have around 6-8 trains a day, if I remember correctly.

-CPE
Oh, thanks CPE, that's good to know. I always call it HKIA. I know like GZ is CAN. How do you get onto the HKG to CP train? Last time I remembered, it was in the middle of HK, not near HKIA??? I know there is a HKIA train that takes you into HK.

I'm guessing taking HKIA train into HK and transferring to the other train to CP?

The train is so fast, took one from GZ to CP, total time was 30 minutes. That same trip by car would have taken 3-4 hours.

Manfest
11-15-07, 23:18
Wow, that's so beautiful, near perfect. Nice shape, but I may prefer a little more perkier. Perfect size and "pink color". Great skin tone.

I got to call someone, like my travel agent.

Did I mention succulent! Very tasty, some kind of phermone she must have sprayed on. Bill, as you recall, I was debating whether to sleep or screw her, the latter won out but by just a little. I'm back home and missing CP already, but while there, I was so topped up that one more screw vs. taking a dump is a valid debate. CPE, she was a great lay and beautiful, but she wouldn't let me take nude pictures. I didn't offer a tip, so she started getting all cuddly and cute, at which time I offered 10, then 20, then 30 RMB tip, but with the breast pictures as a condition. I could have gone either way (meaning not taking pictures was fine with me plus not tipping), but I'm glad I did. Ruining the market? I did not negotiate the pictures ahead of time so seems valid. Anyway, she was so cute and nice about it that this negotiation didn't take away from the overall great experience.

Cheers, see everybody next time

AsnDragon
11-16-07, 01:45
Hey guys, was in Dongguan Changping a few months back. I went to Prince Hotel in Huajiang. It's about a 18 minute car ride to Prince hotel from Hui ha Hotel in CP.

It is the second most pricey place I've been to. First being in Shanghai. But Prince Hotel has the best Sauna girl line up that I've ever seen. If you are interested in seeing the "model" and I mean car racing model quality girls, that are 5 feet 7 and taller types, they've got a VIP selection for you, but you have to befriend one of the supervisors to view that elite collection. This takes up to 2 or more trips to get that privilege.

Anyhow, they have two different rooms when you go there. VIP and regular rooms. VIP room has a larger bathroom, and they give you a table shower/massage, which is a definite plus. The price different between VIP and regular room is about $150RMB. But I think it's worth it if you really want to pamper yourself.

The line ups are 7-8 at a time, which is better than Hui Hua and Hui Mei and new Century, which usually only brings in 3 at a time. But even just picking from the regular sauna girls, they are hotter than other places that I've been to already. I haven't tried, their elite group of girls, but my friend has and says it's something you do once and you don't ever do it again because it costs an arm and a leg.

The damage for tips for the girl is $500 as the quality is grade A, or higher than most other places, depending on your tastes and preferences.

The key to Saunas I have learned are, they usually bring in the first few girls that have not been picked yet. Therefore, more often than not, the first few you see are not that great of quality. As you bring in more of them, the quality becomes a bit better in my opinion, as the latter girls are ones that have already been picked and was put further on the end of the lineup.

Just my two cents. PM me if you need the phone number for the Hotel.

It costs about 40-50RMB to get there on a taxi, depending on how well you bargain.

But total damage is about 900 plus RMB. It seems like a lot, but when you want the really good looking quality girls, I think it's worth it. It's definitely not something to go to every day, but once in a while to pamper yourself, I think is alright.

AsnDragon
11-16-07, 02:42
to se asia joe.

basically, all the transportations that you have listed are the best ways to get to changping. besides taxi, driving and other buses you can take, i think taking the train is the fastest way to get to cp.

as for hotels, you can also check our walter hotel as well. their prices i feel are reasonable, more expensive than new century, but cheaper than miraton. miraton seems to be the favorite amongst isg dongguan mongers, but the shower floods and that sucks, when you need to use the bathroom another time. i find that anything better in quality thank lucky hotel is alright. if you want to be a budget monger, than save money on hotel to use that to monger. in addition, last time i was at miraton, their light sensor is very sensitive, so any sudden vibration at night, turns on the lights in the bathroom, which gets very annoying at times.

cp has the most variety in activities. you've got bbs, sauna, full service footie at walter hotel, ktv's, catacomb. there's more variety, that you won't be able to find all that much in houjie and other places. however, i must say that the quality of the girls in ktv in cp are not as hot as houjie or changan. but then again it's more expensive than cp as well. so cp appears to be the place of choice for most people on this board in dongguan.

in addition, there's a new spa place that opened up. no extras, just pure good massage and buffet included with only a bit extra in pricing, that's a good place to get a massage. it's called silvery spring spa:

东莞常平银色假日

i think that's what's it's called in chinese.it's located next to the train station in cp. so that's a good relaxing place to check out. it's similar to maya city in shenzhen. i go there with some friends after we do our deed to relax a bit and chill out.

so cp is still one of the best places.



thanks - yes i live in hong kong, and yeah i do need to get my bearings back mongering in dongguang area. i've mostly been in the shenzhen area past few years and only visited dg sporadically - that now i get mixed up between between dg city, houjie and changping and i've lost touch with prices, best places etc.

what i've found out from rtff, doing my own rx, asking around and a few pm's from guys here (thanks y'all!) are the following routes to go up there -

- direct train from hunghom (clear hkg custom here, and prc custom at arrival) to changping/dongguang which takes just over an hour - 11 departures/arrival per day

- take the kcrc to lowu, cross over and take the crh high speed train - frequent schedules (i think every half hour or so) and arrive at either changping or zungmuktou in about 20 minutes.

- or take the buses to the 3 different areas. for dg city i know youjust board the bus on bay #39 - anyone here know which bay for cp and houjie?

- take the cross border buses to huangang and switch to the bus to dg city which departs every half hour or so on the 50 and 20 from 7;15 am to 7;30 pm last on bay #14. anybody know if there are services from huangang to cp and/or houjie and where to take it?

any other suggestions as to how to get to the action places in dongguang area? suggestions on best happenings there?

again thru rtff and rx etc - i figure changping is the place to go to and the best places to stay are

the miraton, jia yi, virgin, lucky, new century, kong mei, hui hwe, hui mei and for those flushed at the goodview and crown prince hotel. are these all at cp - how about the houjie places i.e jia hua etc

and as far k-ok's these hotels all have pretty good facilities.

any toher info?

thanks,

se asia joe

SE Asia Joe
11-16-07, 04:02
dan:
you can take the airport express but get off at kowloon station and take a taxi (hk$20) to the hunghom station. there you take the kcrc to cp (hk$145 - 11 departures/day). at present, there is really no direct link between between the airport and the kcrc hunghom station.
alternatively, you can take the airport buses to huangang (approx hk$120), a taxi to luohu (rmb20) and get on the hi speed crh train to either cp or zmt in dongguan (rmb50?).
there are also direct airport buses from chek lap kok to the dg area - when you get out of the immigration exit, turn left and walk towards the end of the airport where on your right you will see a whole bunch of counters offering bus services to different parts of guangdong province - your choice (hk$120-180??)!
hope the above of use
se asia joe



oh, thanks cpe, that's good to know. i always call it hkia. i know like gz is can. how do you get onto the hkg to cp train? last time i remembered, it was in the middle of hk, not near hkia??? i know there is a hkia train that takes you into hk.

i'm guessing taking hkia train into hk and transferring to the other train to cp?

the train is so fast, took one from gz to cp, total time was 30 minutes. that same trip by car would have taken 3-4 hours.