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Bill Lee
04-17-08, 14:30
and you learn to live like a local. Nothing wrong with the bus or walking over to the Yalan. It's safe and convenient.

It's not about the money. It's about absorbing the atmosphere of where you are. We say it all the time, "When in Rome...." Well, Santa and I, we practiced it.

I never bring any gals directly back to the room with me. My M.O. is to window shop and after returning to my room, call it in.

FE48: That hotel in the back of the Lucky has free van service? No way!!!???

Bill


CPE,

I can't picture bill lee get on the dirty CP bus with a p4p he just pick up from yanlan ,I take the hotel free shuttle van drop me off yalan or Jiayi ktv save the 2 rmb bus fare.

Fast eddie 48

OldAsiaHand
04-17-08, 15:06
Actually, Ole Bill Lee and Santa forced me on the bus once to ride over to the Yalan Area, so it don't surprise me that he rides the bus from the train station.

They did the same to me one time. Actually, it was not that bad a ride.

OAH

Fast Eddie 48
04-17-08, 16:11
and you learn to live like a local. Nothing wrong with the bus or walking over to the Yalan. It's safe and convenient.

It's not about the money. It's about absorbing the atmosphere of where you are. We say it all the time, "When in Rome...." Well, Santa and I, we practiced it.

I never bring any gals directly back to the room with me. My M.O. is to window shop and after returning to my room, call it in.

FE48: That hotel in the back of the Lucky has free van service? No way?

BillBill,

Yes Bill, Hua Yu hotel has their own shuttle.

I just call them ahead they will pick me up at the train stations.

Most hotels have their own.

Miraton or Crown Prince have a van waiting at the train station most of the time.

After spending 2 months in a row at CP, I guess you are a local.

You are no longer a New Yorker.

Fast Eddie 48

Manfest
04-17-08, 22:35
--cut--
Was at the Canton Fair today and it was quite humorous to watch all the "laowai" eyeball every Chinese girl that walked by and many gave themselves whiplash checking out the backside. To think I acted like that years ago, for shame! :)

-CPE


CPE, you and everyone who lives there are very very lucky!! I go several times a year, and my neck still hurts from all the whiplashing. Cheers, enjoy the scenary.
M

Santa
04-18-08, 00:49
They did the same to me one time. Actually, it was not that bad a ride.

OAH

Yes, and we saw three good looking girls on the bus, but we couldn't figure who would do the fat one.

OAH was very confused. :confused:

:D

Dongguan Guy
04-18-08, 02:32
Hi guys in DG,

I need to get the ISG PM function but I have no credit card.

I will send the $19.95 from my Paypal or RMB 150 in cash or a free piece of ST pussy to anyone here who can help me subscribe it.

Thanks.

DGG

P.S.: This message stays valid until I get my PM function.

Bnlee2
04-18-08, 03:53
Yes, and we saw three good looking girls on the bus, but we couldn't figure who would do the fat one.

OAH was very confused. :confused:

:D


the fat one deserve some lovin too... just make sure that you finsh the deed and tell her to take a hike before feeding time. the cost of feeding may be costly.

Old Mean Dog
04-18-08, 05:46
That's a new one on me. Hmmmmmm. Not in the Abbreviation thread.

Can it be?

Out Of Country
Out Of Currency
Out Of Control
Oki Optical Components
Object Oriented COBOL

Ahhhh, this is a sex board. So it must be: Out Of Cunnilingus.

What's the matter Skirt Chaser? Pussy don't got your tongue?

Bill

Obviously, you ain't a military man. Best you ask your Marine buddy on the board from now on!

Old, Ornery ****

that's

Out Of Commission

-CPE

P.S. Talked to Jojo yesterday, said she has gone back to Guangxi. She also said she would return, but was not specific about when.

SE Asia Joe
04-18-08, 05:47
They did the same to me one time. Actually, it was not that bad a ride.

OAH

Damn..... I also had the pleasure of riding the bus with Santa and Bill. Must be part of their "initiation rites."

Or perhaps to acclimatize those "in their charge" and make sure he is not going to be a BSD! Impossible to act like a BSD after having ridden the bus!

SEAS

SE Asia Joe
04-18-08, 05:49
Obviously, you ain't a military man. Best you ask your Marine buddy on the board from now on!

Old, Ornery ****

that's

Out Of Commission

-CPE

Ahhhhh.... the truth comes out....

YOU'VE BEEN TAKING COMMISSIONS!!

SEAS

Old Mean Dog
04-18-08, 06:02
Ahhhhh.... the truth comes out....

YOU'VE BEEN TAKING COMMISSIONS!!

SEAS

Hahaha.....the commission I am referring to, is like Santa's little friend...as in, "Not working".

Once this series of meds cures the red spots on my hands and feet, I will be back in business.

-CPE

SE Asia Joe
04-18-08, 08:49
Hahaha.....the commission I am referring to, is like Santa's little friend...as in, "Not working".

Once this series of meds cures the red spots on my hands and feet, I will be back in business.

-CPE
YUCK..... double yuuuuuuck!

Stay away from me you, you, you.... diseased one!
Told you not to do that last one!
Now... will you listen when I tell you somethin'?!
Jeez!

SEAS

Old Mean Dog
04-19-08, 17:50
This Typhoon has created a friggin' mess of CP, the area from the park by the Hui Mei up past the Flavor 1600 restaurant under water. Buses and cars sit flooded in water, other areas of town just as bad. Garbage, Shit and huge earthworms all over the place. I will post some pics if I can figure out how to get them from phone to computer.

-CPE

ManonsanBoy
04-19-08, 20:12
AsnDragon,

I fully agreed with OAH, not paying the girl even though the service was lousy can easily lead to dangerous situations.

I have switched rooms a few times after disputes with girls.You deal with lousy service by returning to mamasan and complain. It can get very dangerous if you do not pay. Mongers, your life is not worth thee few hundred RMB.

AsnDragon
04-20-08, 01:21
Hey everyone,

Would love to meet up with any fellow brothers on my next trip to CP. Will be there may 6th for 9 days. Would be an honor to check out new places, regular places, all places together.

Please PM if anyone will be in town. Would love to meet up!

AsnDragon

Nobody Doe
04-20-08, 03:40
Hi Joe,

I'd wish I could know you earlier to get your phone number before my biz trip. :) In fact I did send you a PM but no response.

I did try to take a cab to Shataujiao, after Wadman told me you had a report of WuTongShan, Hai Shan, etc., but I still didn't find anything. Perhaps it's because I could only go out of hotel after 12AM, and it's already too late...

There was a very small KTV called Hai Shan in the 2F of Hai Shan Hotel on the Hai Shan Road, but it was very late (12:30AM) and only two girls there. I wasn't even sure whether it's the same Hai Shan in your report...

I tried to ask the cab driver for the WuTongShan, but he had no idea. He said WuTongShan is really a mountain and nothing up there.

I also tried to visit a few sauna in Shataujiao, but they didn't offer FS. Perhaps they were afraid to tell me they have FS.

Wadman told me you are living in HK and only visiting SZ/Dougguan in the weekends, and at that time it's really late, so he wouldn't recommend me to call you that late. So I went to a sauna at Chang An on that night. Then the next night, I was too shy to call Wadman for your phone number (I figured Wadman would need to call you for your permission to give out your number to me, and I didn't want to bother neither Wadman or you.)

If you are coming to BJ, please don't hesitant to PM me so we can meet and hang out in BJ. :)

Cheers,
Jack





Damn Taiwan guy - you were NOT in the middle of boondocks away from all action as you had written earlier.

You were in Daimeisha which is only 10 minutes away from Shataujiao where you could have gotten any number of gals at the various priced KTV's (WuTongShan 2-5-8, Hai Shan 1-4-7 etc) or the many BBS's close to the HKG border, saunas, and even the RMB38 Hand job gals below the STJ hotel.

15 minutes away is GwaiChong and 20 is Dapeng - again a variety of saunas, KTV's, BBS etc - the full smorgasbord.

SEAJ

Nobody Doe
04-20-08, 04:09
By the way the taxi passed by this huge, palatial looking called Infinitute (institute?) or something on the way there and the taxi driver did ask if I want to get down there as he say it is better, "better pretty girls", but I insisted to try out longjintao instead. Is the quality of the girls there really better? There seems to be a lot of very posh cars around, but have to wait until next trip here (if theres indeed one) to try.



I have nerver been to LongJinTao Sauna, so I can't tell me if the quality is better than Infinitude (Chinese name: 天地無限 ) I should try that next time. Would be much appreciated if any forum brother can write the Chinese name of LongJinTao.

For Infinitude Sauna, the following is my more detailed report:

On my first night in Dongguan trip, I went to Infinitude looking for a girl overnight. Not only a overnight room (which is free for overnight if you come to the sauna after 12AM), but a girl for LT. It was late midnight (about 1 or 2AM), the mamasan / manager said no much girls, so I picked up a pretty & tall girl but smaller tits for 600. She's from Yunan 雲南. In the past I always went for big tits girls but on that night I figured she's ok if there were not much girls left.

Then everything was great, until in the early morning 7AM, she said she had to go, as she was going to change from the night shift to the morning shift, and morning shift was 8:30AM. I was tired so I didn't pay too much attention, and she left. At 9AM I woke up, thought over what she told me, and I figured I should call the mamasan to verify. The mamasan told me she's lying: 1) for overnight, their girls should NOT leave until 10AM at least; 2) for morning shift, the duty time should be 12:30PM, NOT 8:30AM. So I filed a complaint.

Then in the late afternoon / early evening, the mamasan called me: 1) that girl paid her penalty and back into trainee status; 2) they can compensate me by offering me a 試鐘 girl (which is also a trainee) for 200RMB.

So I returned to Infinitude Sauna in Chang An at 2AM, after I found nothing at Shataujiao, Shenzhen on 4/9. The trainee girl was not my taste (size of tits and look), but the mamasan said this girl is not a real "trainee" as she left and returned to their company, and her service is one of the best, etc. I figured it's only 200RMB so I gave her a try. Her service was really great but unfortunately my look and body (really small tits, even smaller than my previous girl) was really not my cup of tea. I sent text messages to the mamasan for another girl (for full rate) with big tits after this session. So I had another session with a really cute girl with big tits. She was wonderful. I got her phone number, but I didn't have a chance to meet her again during my last trip. Then I left the sauna and went back to Daimeisha, Shenzhen at 6AM (so I didn't pay for LT, since after two sessions it's already 6AM), in order to catch up the next day meeting at 8AM....

So all in all, Infinitude Sauna in Chang An is an interesting experience.

Cheers,
Taiwan Guy at Beijing

Nobody Doe
04-20-08, 04:16
Hi Soulman,

May I ask the name of this naked KTV in Chang An? I have also been to a naked KTV in Chang An during my 1st time trip to Chang An on April 7 (Wadman knows it), but that place was kind of crappy. Not much girls (100 or so) and the hardware is really crap.

Thanks,
Taiwan Guy


Got together with old timers AG, M and W (ISG alias of these senior members not disclosed for privacy) to very interesting KTV in Chang An Sun night. Lot better than Tangxia's Good View KTV M and I went on Sat night.

Wadman
04-20-08, 07:18
So I filed a complaint.

Then in the late afternoon / early evening, the mamasan called me: 1) that girl paid her penalty and back into trainee status; 2) they can compensate me by offering me a 試鐘 girl (which is also a trainee) for 200RMB.



Good man, TG, good man. Girls pull that kind of crap way too often. From a BBS you would expect it, but not from a high(er) end sauna.

What are the charges for Infinitude btw? 600 for girl (200 trainee)? What about the room charges?

Nobody Doe
04-20-08, 15:37
Infinitude rooms are 200. Girls are 200/400/600.


Good man, TG, good man. Girls pull that kind of crap way too often. From a BBS you would expect it, but not from a high(er) end sauna.

What are the charges for Infinitude btw? 600 for girl (200 trainee)? What about the room charges?

Miloca
04-20-08, 22:22
Hi,

I just have subscribed here on ISG after a short research on this great forum.

I had found this forum while searching something about Guangzhou yesterday. And I was very surprised about the great quantity and quality of information in this forum. I never had expected it.

Thank you to all guys who posting here!

So I'm a newbie here. But not in life! I'm a german (32 years) from Frankfurt / Main. Btw: there is the heaven to mongering in germany. Were you can found for 25 to 30 Euro a lot of woman from all over the world for full service sex in the red light district. In the last years I was mongering in Moscow (on "tochka"-places) and for just three days in Shanghai (this was my first visit in Asia. And I saw very special places with a lot of BBS).

I will fly to Guangzhou for one week in the middle of May. My main focus is mongering.

After reading a lot of postings, I guess that the best place must be Changping, isn’t it? Therefore I will cancel my plan to stay (only) in Guangzhou. But my first question to you is:

Should I travel only to Changping or to Shenzen too?

And my second question is:

How and where I can find “factory girls” and / or virgins in Changping (or it is better to look for them in Guangzhou or Shenzhen or Hongkong)?

ManonsanBoy
04-20-08, 22:26
Visited this establishment after golf.

First parade was no good. Second one turned up a 165 cm lass from Chung Ching. She winked at me during the parade and I had an instant stirring below. Long legs, boobs nothing special but with a smile to win anyone.

Usual undress, shower and sauna.

Then on the stone bed. She chated away happily although my putonghua had some difficulty coping. She scrubbed me down and generally gave me a thorough wash. Unusually, she gave me affectionate kisses and then deep probing ones. My didi became rock hard. usual compliments about thick and long etc etc. BBBJ, slow and gentle, all the time water running. She asked me to finger her, unusually.

Dried and on to bed. Usual routine of catbath etc but I got bored and started a 69. Wow, response was very real with tenting of vagina, kisses. DATY and she went bananas and pulled me on top after 5 minutes. Bareback.............she told me to go in deep and stay there and she then grinded her body on my shaft. Kissed me and told me to kiss her neck. I think she came a number of times and I barely pulled out in time.

Fell asleep after but woke to a BBBJ; didi responded (50 mg Viagra). Then she mounted me and grinded her body. I said I may loose control. She got off and instructed me DATY and eventually put a condom on and I pounded her. Her response was amazing; vaginal farting etc etc. Noticed her ass hole dilating when I was doing her doggie. Inserted finger but got negative response. So continue doggie and then finished off.

I think in total, an hour of active sex. Amazing. GFE and beyond.

Travel Dog
04-21-08, 01:54
Would be much appreciated if any forum brother can write the Chinese name of LongJinTao.



TG

I believe it is actually Jin Long Dao 金龙岛 . An older place near the Chang An high way exit. Not nearly as nicely decorated as the Infinitude but quite OK.

TD

Old Mean Dog
04-21-08, 06:23
Hi,

I just have subscribed here on ISG after a short research on this great forum.

I had found this forum while searching something about Guangzhou yesterday. And I was very surprised about the great quantity and quality of information in this forum. I never had expected it.

Thank you to all guys who posting here!

So I'm a newbie here. But not in life! I'm a german (32 years) from Frankfurt / Main. Btw: there is the heaven to mongering in germany. Were you can found for 25 to 30 Euro a lot of woman from all over the world for full service sex in the red light district. In the last years I was mongering in Moscow (on "tochka"-places) and for just three days in Shanghai (this was my first visit in Asia. And I saw very special places with a lot of BBS).

I will fly to Guangzhou for one week in the middle of May. My main focus is mongering.

After reading a lot of postings, I guess that the best place must be Changping, isn’t it? Therefore I will cancel my plan to stay (only) in Guangzhou. But my first question to you is:

Should I travel only to Changping or to Shenzen too?

And my second question is:

How and where I can find “factory girls” and / or virgins in Changping (or it is better to look for them in Guangzhou or Shenzhen or Hongkong)?

My 2 cents: Shenzhen and Zhuhai should be experienced as well, while cutting out Guangzhou. If you are solo'ing and don't speak Chinese, CP might be a little difficult for you.

-CPE

Moody
04-21-08, 07:16
And my second question is:

How and where I can find “factory girls” and / or virgins in Changping (or it is better to look for them in Guangzhou or Shenzhen or Hongkong)?

You can find factory girls at................. a factory. Find a factory, and there's plenty, and hang outside around 5PM-7PM when the shift changes. Since you probably don't speak much Mandarin, I have no idea how you plan to approach them. I guess you could use hand signals, but be aware, some might get offended and call security or something. As for virgins, probably easier to find a needle in a haystack than a real virgin in Changping. BTW, the going rate for a real virgin is in the 30,000-70,000RMB range. There are lot of people who will try to scam you that a girl is a virgin for less money (like 5000RMB), when in reality all they did was have hymen restoration surgery. 5000RMB is barely enough for a high end KTV girl in Shenzhen, forget about a real virgin, especially a pretty one.

Greggo
04-21-08, 07:46
My 2 cents: Shenzhen and Zhuhai should be experienced as well, while cutting out Guangzhou. If you are solo'ing and don't speak Chinese, CP might be a little difficult for you.

-CPEGuangzhou is not much fun. On the other hand, Shenzhen is ok, and Zhuhai is fun! Listen to CPE, he knows what he speaks of.

Moody
04-21-08, 09:13
(Chinese name: 天地無限 )

In pinyin, tiandiwuxian

Moody
04-21-08, 09:16
Visited this establishment after golf.


Hillview? Do you mean Goodview? If not, do you have the Chinese name for the place?

Miloca
04-21-08, 12:07
Guangzhou is not much fun. On the other hand, Shenzhen is ok, and Zhuhai is fun! Listen to CPE, he knows what he speaks of.Thank you very much, for all the recommandations!

I'm sure now: I wont stay in Guanzhou.

And I will visit Changping and Shenzhen. And maybe, I will travelling to Zhuhai too, if its easy to travelling or i found i local guide in Shenzen/Changping.

Old Mean Dog
04-21-08, 16:25
Here are some crappy phone photos of the Great Flood of CP. These were taken at the four way intersection by the Miraton.

-CPE

Downunder96
04-21-08, 17:02
TG

I believe it is actually Jin Long Dao 金龙岛 . An older place near the Chang An high way exit. Not nearly as nicely decorated as the Infinitude but quite OK.

TD

They used to have Korean massage (FS) but not anymore. They still have the Japanese massage (happy ending only). The street just behind KFC on he main road.

Daft Boy
04-21-08, 17:57
Just my luck to see floods and typhoons for my first trip to CP on the 23rd!!!
What is the story now? anybody know? is CP still flooded and are the BBS still open?. I hope I don't end up with Pam and her 5 sisters for my trip !!!!!!!! I don't think anything more can go wrong, I lost my flight after Oasis Airline Hong Kong/ UK went bust last week so had to book another flight (€1000).

Anybody in CP this week interested in going to a KTV for 1 night?? My friend and I want to try but 2 is not enought I think.
daft boy.




This Typhoon has created a friggin' mess of CP, the area from the park by the Hui Mei up past the Flavor 1600 restaurant under water. Buses and cars sit flooded in water, other areas of town just as bad. Garbage, Shit and huge earthworms all over the place. I will post some pics if I can figure out how to get them from phone to computer.

-CPE

ManonsanBoy
04-21-08, 18:41
Just my luck to see floods and typhoons for my first trip to CP on the 23rd!!!
What is the story now? anybody know? is CP still flooded and are the BBS still open?
daft boy.

Business as usual. Have you got your visa?

Daft Boy
04-21-08, 20:00
Business as usual. Have you got your visa?

ManonsanBoy,
Thanks , I was shitting myself here thinking no BBS because of the floods.
Visa and Viagra all in hand thanks!!!,
Daft Boy

Tulip777
04-22-08, 02:08
Hi everyone. What's the best way from CP to MFM and back? How long does it take? When you pick up a FL/SW or even BBS girl for overnight in CP what are the chances of a lousy service, her wanting to take off, and so on? With me, it's typically the less I pay the better the service - no kidding. I know it's a difficult question to answer but even distant ideas would do. Unfortunately, I don't speak a lick of Chinese. I've been reading about plenty of bad experiences on this forum. Is there a site out there which can help me book Miraton for early May. The hotel itself is not responding when you fill out their booking form. They don't even have room rates on their site. I don't want to use any of my phones to call them directly, for personal reasons. Seems like everything connected with this trip to China has to be done the hard way. Thanks.

Tulip777
04-22-08, 03:40
Hotels

Unless you are a real picky mother then I reckon almost ANY hotel in CP is ok. Compared to some of the dives you find in Guangzhou, CP hotels are in a different league. I stayed in the Miraton and booked via the internet. I also checked out the rooms in the Walter and Virgin and thought they were Ok and around 25% cheaper than the Miraton. Next time I will try the Walter







Nice report. Which internet site did you use to book the Miraton? Their hotel site is not responding.

OldAsiaHand
04-22-08, 03:46
Miloca,

I think I have posted about factory girls before. Nearly all BBS girls were factory girls at some point. Hard work for small money at the factory compared with easy work for big money lured them onto the game. I have even been to some BBS where plain, dumpy girls with no makeup were referred to as "Gong Chang Mei".

That said, you can get real factory girls if you have the time and know the right people. However, this is virtually impossible given your limited time frame. And, without language skills and local experience, you will probably be scammed anyway.

Regarding virgins, Moody mongers in the high-end. This may be why real virgins are offered at such high prices. I have asked many BBS girls how much they got their first time (if for money) and their answer is usually 5-10k RMB. However, most BBS girls are not virgins when they come on the game. They have been done by a boyfriend in their hometown or some guy they met at a factory they worked at. As Moody says, real virgins are really, really hard to find and there are far more scams than virgins.

Just my POV.

OAH


You can find factory girls at................. a factory. Find a factory, and there's plenty, and hang outside around 5PM-7PM when the shift changes. Since you probably don't speak much Mandarin, I have no idea how you plan to approach them. I guess you could use hand signals, but be aware, some might get offended and call security or something. As for virgins, probably easier to find a needle in a haystack than a real virgin in Changping. BTW, the going rate for a real virgin is in the 30,000-70,000RMB range. There are lot of people who will try to scam you that a girl is a virgin for less money (like 5000RMB), when in reality all they did was have hymen restoration surgery. 5000RMB is barely enough for a high end KTV girl in Shenzhen, forget about a real virgin, especially a pretty one.

Tulip777
04-22-08, 04:24
Hey everyone,

Would love to meet up with any fellow brothers on my next trip to CP. Will be there may 6th for 9 days. Would be an honor to check out new places, regular places, all places together.

Please PM if anyone will be in town. Would love to meet up!

AsnDragon

Arriving in CP on may 6th for 5 nights, then to Angeles for 4 nights, then back to China, maybe CP again for 5 nights. Trying to book the Miraton.

Tulip777
04-22-08, 04:46
[QUOTE=Moody]You can find factory girls at................. a factory. Find a factory, and there's plenty, and hang outside around 5PM-7PM when the shift changes. Since you probably don't speak much Mandarin, I have no idea how you plan to approach them. I guess you could use hand signals, but be aware, some might get offended and call security or something.

This is so hysterical... I got tears in my eyes after visualizing a tourist from Germany waiting on a dirt road, leading to a factory, for a shift change just to have a factory worker call security because of strange hand signals. This is some funny shit:)

Moody
04-22-08, 06:01
I have asked many BBS girls how much they got their first time (if for money) and their answer is usually 5-10k RMB.

That's how much the girl got. Quite often, the pimp takes the lion's share of the money.

Freepeaks
04-23-08, 07:27
Damn..... I also had the pleasure of riding the bus with Santa and Bill. Must be part of their "initiation rites."

Or perhaps to acclimatize those "in their charge" and make sure he is not going to be a BSD! Impossible to act like a BSD after having ridden the bus!

SEAS

Count me in on the bus initiation too. Santa just told me to watch my backpack (though it was empty sans a camera) wasn't that bad actually, been on much worse.

Taxi is too cheap though to bother.

fp

ManonsanBoy
04-23-08, 15:26
Hillview? Do you mean Goodview? If not, do you have the Chinese name for the place?


Sorry. GOODVIEW. Must have golf on my mind.

AsnDragon
04-23-08, 19:51
I got an interesting story about virgins. 3 years ago, I went to a KTV in Tangxia, at the sunshine hotel. I picked this hot looking girl. She was tall, slender and had a firm tight body with a 34 C tits. Her face was so attractive as well. However, the only thing that I didn't like about her was that she had a major overbite, ad when she smiled you could see the teeth protruding out of her lips.

Anyhow, she was nice and fun to be with. When I took her back to my hotel room, she told me she was only 18 years old. I didn't believe her since that's what most girls tell you. Anyhow, when she took a shower and got back she had almost no pussy hair at all. 2 strands, I asked her if she shaved and she said no.

She then proceeded to tell me that she sold her virginity last month. And the person who brokered the deal for her virginity was her own real blood related sister. Her own sister pimped her out. But my girl was willing, cause she said she got 20, 000 RMB for it. She cried afterwards, but her sister told her, " it's more worth it to lose your first time for money, than to some stupid boyfriend guy who's going to leave you in the end. "

So prices really do vary on the quality of the girl. My girl was definately a 9, slender 5 feet 6 inches, really pretty face, and I'm usually pretty picky too. But if you want no so good looking girls, you can get them up at Kaiping near, taishan area, for as little was 2000 RMB for no so pretty virgins. The pricing varies as OAH said.

To me she was a gem, a 9. She told me her sister was hotter than she was and was being some taiwanese guy's second wife. I think she was hinting for me to take her in as a gf or mistress. I never went back to see her cause my flight was the next day. Regrets. Regrets. There's no way to find her anymore.

AsnDragon

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Transporter
04-23-08, 22:16
The cheapest is the bus, but I would suggest a private Car/Van from Zhu Hai to CP and back. It takes about 2.5-3 Hours, depends a bit on what day and time.



Hi everyone. What's the best way from CP to MFM and back? How long does it take? When you pick up a FL/SW or even BBS girl for overnight in CP what are the chances of a lousy service, her wanting to take off, and so on? With me, it's typically the less I pay the better the service - no kidding. I know it's a difficult question to answer but even distant ideas would do. Unfortunately, I don't speak a lick of Chinese. I've been reading about plenty of bad experiences on this forum. Is there a site out there which can help me book Miraton for early May. The hotel itself is not responding when you fill out their booking form. They don't even have room rates on their site. I don't want to use any of my phones to call them directly, for personal reasons. Seems like everything connected with this trip to China has to be done the hard way. Thanks.

Tulip777
04-24-08, 06:22
The cheapest is the bus, but I would suggest a private Car/Van from Zhu Hai to CP and back. It takes about 2.5-3 Hours, depends a bit on what day and time.

Thanks Transporter. Private car sounds like a way to go. Not sure if I should book one ahead of time, or when I arrive in HKG. Could be cheaper on the spot. I couldn't find any place to book Miraton or Hui Hua online, so booked Peninsula for 2 nights. If I don't like it I can always move. I hear it is perfect for hardcore mongers because of proximity to Yalan area. I also hear it's far from all the conveniences. I'll just have to sort it out when I get there. Thanks. Oh yes, what's the availability of vitamin V or C in Chang Ping? Just in case.

China35
04-24-08, 08:05
I got an interesting story about virgins. 3 years ago, I went to a KTV in Tangxia, at the sunshine hotel. I picked this hot looking girl. She was tall, slender and had a firm tight body with a 34 C tits. Her face was so attractive as well. However, the only thing that I didn't like about her was that she had a major overbite, ad when she smiled you could see the teeth protruding out of her lips.

Anyhow, she was nice and fun to be with. When I took her back to my hotel room, she told me she was only 16 years old. I didn't believe her since that's what most girls tell you. Anyhow, when she took a shower and got back she had almost no pussy hair at all. 2 strands, I asked her if she shaved and she said no.

She then proceeded to tell me that she sold her virginity last month. And the person who brokered the deal for her virginity was her own real blood related sister. Her own sister pimped her out. But my girl was willing, cause she said she got 20, 000 RMB for it. She cried afterwards, but her sister told her, " it's more worth it to lose your first time for money, than to some stupid boyfriend guy who's going to leave you in the end. "

So prices really do vary on the quality of the girl. My girl was definately a 9, slender 5 feet 6 inches, really pretty face, and I'm usually pretty picky too. But if you want no so good looking girls, you can get them up at Kaiping near, taishan area, for as little was 2000 RMB for no so pretty virgins. The pricing varies as OAH said.

To me she was a gem, a 9. She told me her sister was hotter than she was and was being some taiwanese guy's second wife. I think she was hinting for me to take her in as a gf or mistress. I never went back to see her cause my flight was the next day. Regrets. Regrets. There's no way to find her anymore.

AsnDragon

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of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.I have metioned about virgins before on my other SN before not being able to log in on it. I am lucky enough to find many freebies (as such, maybe should say non working), and in terms of virgins a very high percentage, in the last week i have had 2, one from a factory the other from a GZ college, additional cost where bed sheet charges where they had bled a little. Frankly i have gone of virgins, care is needed and they are totally inexperianced in every aspect, tight but not great fucks and takes an age to teach them.

Transporter
04-24-08, 08:07
Bandao is alright to stay, but yes it is quite far from the center of town. And it is a good 10 minute walk to BBS, but still OK.
Vitamins are quite available, there is the chinese and Japanese vitamins along with blue diamonds, L and C.
As far as the private car, it would definitely be better to book in advance, as for Miraton or Hui Hwa, just five them a call.


Thanks Transporter. Private car sounds like a way to go. Not sure if I should book one ahead of time, or when I arrive in HKG. Could be cheaper on the spot. I couldn't find any place to book Miraton or Hui Hua online, so booked Peninsula for 2 nights. If I don't like it I can always move. I hear it is perfect for hardcore mongers because of proximity to Yalan area. I also hear it's far from all the conveniences. I'll just have to sort it out when I get there. Thanks. Oh yes, what's the availability of vitamin V or C in Chang Ping? Just in case.

Rontbo
04-25-08, 04:29
Hey guys,

I will be stopping by CP on Sunday night 4/27 until 4/30 on an excursion from a business trip.

Was a little worried about the flood reports but glad to hear that it's business as usual in CP.

Anyone in town at that time and wants to hang out, please inbox me and I'll give you my contact info.

Thanks!

Rontbo

Freepeaks
04-25-08, 19:49
FreakPeaks,

On the card that you scanned in, there are 3 sections. Each section has a blue heading.

Section 1: various foot massage options
50 rmb/90 minutes for a standard Chinese style foot massage.

Section 2: body massages
Thai style body massage = 100 rmb/120 minutes
"2 star boost the moon" massage (not sure what this is, may HJ) = 200 rmb/60 minutes
Chinese medical massage = proper, hard massage, no extras = 120 rmb/90 minutes

Section 3: bathing options
herbal bath = 120 rmb/90 minutes
emperor's bath = 160 rmb/90 minutes

If this is a high-end upscale place, judging by the prices, I don't think you will get anything extra for the stated price. If you tip extra, it's a different story of course.

If this is a low end place, some of the higher-priced items may include a HJ.

It is the best hotel in town, the two star boost the moon is what you said - included some weird massage where they put a towel on you stomach and light it on fire. Unfortunately the girl was awful at actual massage (too hard and painful).

Foot massage was great and she was adding her own extras until time ran out but over the clothes only.

Thanks for the help.

Freepeaks
04-25-08, 19:50
FreakPeaks,

On the card that you scanned in, there are 3 sections. Each section has a blue heading.

Section 1: various foot massage options
50 rmb/90 minutes for a standard Chinese style foot massage.

Section 2: body massages
Thai style body massage = 100 rmb/120 minutes
"2 star boost the moon" massage (not sure what this is, may HJ) = 200 rmb/60 minutes
Chinese medical massage = proper, hard massage, no extras = 120 rmb/90 minutes

Section 3: bathing options
herbal bath = 120 rmb/90 minutes
emperor's bath = 160 rmb/90 minutes

If this is a high-end upscale place, judging by the prices, I don't think you will get anything extra for the stated price. If you tip extra, it's a different story of course.

If this is a low end place, some of the higher-priced items may include a HJ.

It is the best hotel in town, the two star boost the moon is what you said - included some weird massage where they put a towel on you stomach and light it on fire. Unfortunately the girl was awful at actual massage (too hard and painful).

Foot massage was great and she was adding her own extras until time ran out but over the clothes only.

They also had a take out room in the place for 500.

Thanks for the help.

Weelock
04-25-08, 21:07
The cheapest is the bus, but I would suggest a private Car/Van from Zhu Hai to CP and back. It takes about 2.5-3 Hours, depends a bit on what day and time.

If you are alone, it\\\'s a little dangerous by car/van. I would suggest taking a car/van only if it\\\'s referred by someone, like a hotel or friend.

This cheapest way is by bus but very difficult if you can\\\'t read/speak Chinese.

Freepeaks
04-26-08, 06:04
anyone in cp tonite on sat? please pm me will be in town around 6pm up for ktv not picky on location.

Hxjbebop
04-26-08, 19:08
Had my first trip to southern China this week, Dongguan to be specific. My local contacts set me up at Lotus Lake resort hotel, nothing spectular but decent none the less. My room was facing directly towards Lotus Lake, too bad the season wasn't right, local contacts told me around June, the whole lake would be covered with Lotus blossom, quite an amazing sight I'd imaging. Anyway, after work was over the first day, I went out and checked the area out. Within walking distance there were at least 5 barber shops. Window shopped a little, quality was okay but reading so much about Changping here, I figured it wouldn't be right to not see for it myself. Fighting off mamasan trying to drag me into shop I jumped into taxi and head off to Changping.

Trip took about 20 minutes, once we arrived at what seemed to be main street of CP, I asked taxi driver to drop me off. It was already past midnight but the place was still very lively, most of the shops were open and street was full of people. I started walking down the street checking out shops for souvenirs, didn't even make it past one block before I was approached by 2 mamasans. Not in any hurry I chatted with them to find out a bit more about CP in general. At around 1am I asked mamasan to show me some of her girls, 10 minutes later a car arrived with 3 girls inside. I picked one with long hair, about 5' 5'', 120 punds. For overnight, mamasan asked for 400 RMB, 100 up front and 300 when the girl leaves in the morning. Hopped into a taxi with the girl, we headed back to my hotel.

The girl's name was Xiao Yuen, 20 years old from Hubei. Fairly shy, said she left home 2 months ago to come to CP. After showering together we got onto bed and I chatted with her (I grew up in Taiwan, speaks fluent Mandarin) to loosen her up. Then I noticed she had some bruises around her ankle and asked her where did she get those bruises. Apparently her family was into farming, and those bruises were result from bug bites while working in farms. I hugged her and we started getting down to business. Service was not bad, she hesitated when I asked if she'd give me BBBJ instead of CBJ but honored my request anyway. Loved her reaction when we went into 69, her body trembled a little every time I touched/licked her clit, the reaction was real or not, it got me going. We f--ked in several positions then finished from behind. Showered again together, watched some TV, then went to sleep.

I woke up just after 4am, the girl was sound asleep. I was ready to go again but felt bad about waking her up so I thought just wait later in the morning. That turned out to be a mistake. Around 6:45am her cell phone began to ring. I guess she was deep asleep because she didn't wake up from the 3 calls. Finally I called her name and woke her up telling her someone was trying to reach her. She checked her phone and said it's time for her to leave. From my understanding overnight stay usually ends by 10am so I questioned her about it but she insisted that she has to leave. Still tired from 18+ hours flight the day before, I gave her rest of the money plus taxi fare, she kissed me on the cheek and went on her way. Over all the experience wasn't bad. Probably should have went to somewhere for ST with higher quality girl instead of doing LT with some average girl though. Dunno about everyone else but I find it hard to keep going after long flight like that.

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Globotto
04-26-08, 21:45
I just decided i should contribute pics. Met an aggressive mamasan on the street. She called in a van. Within 5 minutes... delivery. My kinda pizza. 200rmb plus some small tip (if deserved).

Santa
04-27-08, 04:12
I just decided i should contribute pics. Met an aggressive mamasan on the street. She called in a van. Within 5 minutes... delivery. My kinda pizza. 200rmb plus some small tip (if deserved).

These van girls have been 150 rmb. 50 to mommy and 100 to girl.

Also, the price for girls around the HuiMei Hotel (triangular park) area are 150 rmb. Other guys have told me that they also overpaid at 200 rmb, because they didn't know. I have never paid more than 150 in this area. Also, there is no need to give them tip or taxi money. If we do tip, 10% is plenty.

Giving 100 to the mommy and 100 to the girl will not get you better service. Bad service is frequent and expected.

Hope that helps.

AsianBleu
04-27-08, 13:30
Hey guys,

I will be stopping by CP on Sunday night 4/27 until 4/30 on an excursion from a business trip.

Was a little worried about the flood reports but glad to hear that it's business as usual in CP.

Anyone in town at that time and wants to hang out, please inbox me and I'll give you my contact info.

Thanks!

Rontbo

Rontbo. I seldom post reports and just renewed my subscription. Will be in Changping from 28 to 30. Have been there many times so know the area well.coming here alone this time to relax and have some fun. Will be staying at either hui hua hotel or peninsula hotel. Will send you PM when I get in so you have my contact number. If you see this try to PM me and hopefully will be activated. If not just tell me your hotel where you are staying at and we can meet at your hotel lobby at 2pm. On April 28.

Let's have some fun.

Asianbleu

AsianBleu
04-27-08, 13:35
Hey guys,

I will be stopping by CP on Sunday night 4/27 until 4/30 on an excursion from a business trip.

Was a little worried about the flood reports but glad to hear that it's business as usual in CP.

Anyone in town at that time and wants to hang out, please inbox me and I'll give you my contact info.

Thanks!

RontboI must have done this wrong earlier. But I will be in Changping on Monday 28 to Wednesday 30. Look out for my PM and will give you my contact number in Changping. Otherwise add a report and let me know the hotel you are staying at and I will meet you at the lobby of your hotel at 2pm on the 28th. PS. I am Chinese and speak fluent mandarin and cantonese.

Hope to hook up with you.

Freepeaks
04-27-08, 15:45
Seems i can't avoid laowei pricing or someone is pissing on the market. I called a previous bbs girl for late morning session and she insisted on 250 - because she came before work? I told her it was 200 last time, i didn't have mommies number (though later i saw her on 2nd floor bbs and she confirmed should be 200) - SE Asia Joe knows the tall one i speak of.

I argued for about 20 minutes (best efforts) and gave up. It sucks to be a laowei, as they defintely turn out your pockets. And i am defenseless in chinese. I wasn't being a BSD guys - pissed me off too.

Swan is asking 250 still 600 LT. The mamasans are ridiculously aggressive to the point of being very annoying (also at silver star). Both Swan and Silver Star are asking 250, silver star was a waste of time.

Selection all around was pretty poor at 4pm prime time, the quality is off.

Freepeaks
04-27-08, 15:59
Baby and JoJo are both out of town. Had long conversations at both and they are out and unknown when to return. Jojo had little stock anyway. Baby had little quality IMHO.

SE Asia Joe
04-27-08, 17:23
- SE Asia Joe knows the tall one i speak of.

I argued for about 20 minutes (best efforts) and gave up. It sucks to be a laowei, as they defintely turn out your pockets. And i am defenseless in chinese. I wasn't being a BSD guys - pissed me off too.


Ohhhh Freepeaks - I feel for you!! And she wasn't THAT GREAT was she???

Anyway, I am here at Giotto's lodge in bangkok ...... and let me tell you.... AM I GLAD to be coming back home tomorrow!!I had a 35 year old gal last night at Bangkok cozy --- 35 years old I swear to God!!

And tonight, a 25 year old gal was wanting THB 2000 for short term PLUS Giotto's THB1,500 - total THB3,500 or US$110!!! And that is AFTEr I had to pay for her THB175 drinlk! US$110 is RMB750 or 3 of your overcharging gals!! Or actually 5 Hu Mei gals! So it ain't all bad in CP!!

And as an aside, That AG is getting all upset at whatever it was that I had supposedly written on HIS Dongguan thread - only for the life of me I really cain't rememer what it is actually that I wrote!!! He'd xxxxx'd most of what I had suppossedly written so I really don't know.....!!! Anybody here know what it is that is getting AG all pissed off?? STrange.... very strange.... I've sent him a nice PMS so I hope he don';t stay pissed off.
SEAJ

Da Dicknotist
04-27-08, 17:31
One, take everything that a WG tells you with a vat with salt. Some are really sweet, and all had a tough life back home, but many have learned the secrets of milking men for the last dollar.

Two, touts that I'm friendly with always ask if I want a virgin, and when I decline, they smile knowingly and know that most of the time it's a lie, that they're not really virgins anyway.

Eh, my dose of healthy skepticism. I do like the quote about virginity is better given for money than to a stupid boyfriend though... Some of my previous encounters prolly wish they had done that instead of with me.


I got an interesting story about virgins. 3 years ago, I went to a KTV in Tangxia, at the sunshine hotel. I picked this hot looking girl. She was tall, slender and had a firm tight body with a 34 C tits. Her face was so attractive as well. However, the only thing that I didn't like about her was that she had a major overbite, ad when she smiled you could see the teeth protruding out of her lips.

Anyhow, she was nice and fun to be with. When I took her back to my hotel room, she told me she was only 18 years old. I didn't believe her since that's what most girls tell you. Anyhow, when she took a shower and got back she had almost no pussy hair at all. 2 strands, I asked her if she shaved and she said no.

She then proceeded to tell me that she sold her virginity last month. And the person who brokered the deal for her virginity was her own real blood related sister. Her own sister pimped her out. But my girl was willing, cause she said she got 20, 000 RMB for it. She cried afterwards, but her sister told her, " it's more worth it to lose your first time for money, than to some stupid boyfriend guy who's going to leave you in the end. "

So prices really do vary on the quality of the girl. My girl was definately a 9, slender 5 feet 6 inches, really pretty face, and I'm usually pretty picky too. But if you want no so good looking girls, you can get them up at Kaiping near, taishan area, for as little was 2000 RMB for no so pretty virgins. The pricing varies as OAH said.

To me she was a gem, a 9. She told me her sister was hotter than she was and was being some taiwanese guy's second wife. I think she was hinting for me to take her in as a gf or mistress. I never went back to see her cause my flight was the next day. Regrets. Regrets. There's no way to find her anymore.

AsnDragon

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Rontbo
04-28-08, 03:07
Hey AB,

Sent you a pm with my contact info. If I don't hear from ya then I'll make myself available in the lobby of the Miraton at 2pm. Just look for a non-local looking asian guy aimlessly wandering around.

-rontbo


I must have done this wrong earlier. But I will be in Changping on Monday 28 to Wednesday 30. Look out for my PM and will give you my contact number in Changping. Otherwise add a report and let me know the hotel you are staying at and I will meet you at the lobby of your hotel at 2pm on the 28th. PS. I am Chinese and speak fluent mandarin and cantonese.

Hope to hook up with you.

Freepeaks
04-28-08, 03:16
I like her look and actions, at least she doesn't get broken. Maybe just performs for me. Who knows. Actually saw her in mamasans shop (she laughed when i came in) and since this was extra time - mama called when she was about to leave, I let it slide.

35??!! you could have done a mama here that has less mileage. There was a cute mama at Swan Lake - better than the girls.

OldAsiaHand
04-28-08, 03:16
Although, I've not been there in a couple of weeks due to the trade fair BSD crowds, IMHO, Swan Lake has had the best quantity and quality lately. The mamas try to get 250 RMB, but I just start to walk away and they agree to 200 RMB. When I do not discuss price, the girls often try to get 150RMB after the deed. I insist on 100 RMB and tell her to call the mama if there is any question. They take it and walk.

The 250 RMB before work is bullshit. I pay 100 RMB for morning service since the girls do not tell the mama about it. That said, I normally arrange it with the girls I do ST with the night before so they already have 100 RMB from me but sometimes they do not show up in the morning. They could have nailed a LT customer after me or are just too lazy to get up.

There has been a concentrated effort to raise BBS prices. We must stick together and insist on existing pricing. You must be prepared to walk away which I know can be difficult when you have a woodie and no other options at the time. She knew you would pay. If you showed her the door, you might have been more successful in negotiating.

Just my POV.

OAH




QUOTE=Freepeaks]Seems i can't avoid laowei pricing or someone is pissing on the market. I called a previous bbs girl for late morning session and she insisted on 250 - because she came before work? I told her it was 200 last time, i didn't have mommies number (though later i saw her on 2nd floor bbs and she confirmed should be 200) - SE Asia Joe knows the tall one i speak of.

I argued for about 20 minutes (best efforts) and gave up. It sucks to be a laowei, as they defintely turn out your pockets. And i am defenseless in chinese. I wasn't being a BSD guys - pissed me off too.

Swan is asking 250 still 600 LT. The mamasans are ridiculously aggressive to the point of being very annoying (also at silver star). Both Swan and Silver Star are asking 250, silver star was a waste of time.

Selection all around was pretty poor at 4pm prime time, the quality is off.[/QUOTE]

Gz Boy
04-28-08, 20:40
Was in CP last week with a co-worker and we tried what we could find. Here is a brief description of our action:

1. Day one: Tian Tian KTV (HuangJiang Town outside of CP), we got to the hotel around 9pm and didn't want to travel around so we settled on the KTV in the hotel. Its a couple of mins away from Prince. We saw about 70 girls and had a hard time finding ones to our liking. We both prefer slim girls.

Girls: 6 no shortage of girls, only short on good looking slim ones

Service: 7 good service from the girls we picked

KTV room: 7. 5 I like their decor and even the smallest rooms had their own washroom

Price: 7 girls are 2-5-8, drinks were buy 2 beer get 1 free

2. Day two: Jia Yi KTV (CP), I actually think that the KTV is called something else but its attached to the hotel. Got there at 7pm and it was very busy. Didn't expect much from this place as it is nothing special from the outside but looks can be deceiving. We had lots of fun here as the girls were having a good time too.

Girls: 8 lots of good looking girls but you have to decide quickly or by the time you turn around, she'll be gone

Service: 7. 5 good overall service in the KTV and afterwards but not the same kind of GFE that you used to get 3-4 years ago in the CP area

KTV room: 7. 5 nice room with fairly low minimums.

Price: 8 girls are 2-5-8 but drinks were buy 1 get 1 free which is a great value

3. Day three: Prince KTV, I was expecting a lot from Prince as it is suppose to be the best and can command higher KTV prices. WHAT A DISSAPOINTMENT! We went through 150 girls and had trouble picking. I'm picky but not that picky. WE HAD TO SETTLE ON GIRLS! Never happened to me there before.

Girls: 6 lots and lots of girls, just very few to our liking.

Service: 7 the girls we had were friendly enough and did what they were expected to do.

KTV room: 7 same as before, could use some updating now after all these years, minimums are almost double Jia Yi

Price: 5 they have 2 price structures for their girls now. Red tags are 2-5-8 and green tags are 3-6-9. Most of the girls are green tags! Beers are also buy 3 get 1 free. Worst deal around town. Most expensive KTV in the area is nothing without hot KTV girls.

I'll post more later.

GZ

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Weelock
04-29-08, 04:10
Although, I\\\'ve not been there in a couple of weeks due to the trade fair BSD crowds, IMHO, Swan Lake has had the best quantity and quality lately.
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Yes, the best looking girls but the worst in service, IMHO. Then you add the aggressive Mommys. Before the remodeling, I went into a room alone to sit down to see the girls. When I wanted to leave, the mommy blocked the door and the girls started to pull me back to sit down. I had a hell of a time trying to get out.

Now it\\\'s one large room.

Gz Boy
04-29-08, 13:25
Here are the details of the rest of my week in the area:

4. Day four: Thought we would try a BBS. This is common for a lot of you but new for us as we usually stick to KTVs. We were approached/accosted by a mommy near the Hui Mei hotel and taken to her store 2 lanes behind the Hui Mei. Right off the bat my friend didn't like it when they had to unlock the front door and then re-lock it after we were in. I was quite surprised by the quality of the girls. There were only about 8-9 girls there at the time (3pm) but I would say that the group was better than the average group I saw a Prince KTV the night before! There were 2 I wanted to try but knowing my limits I only chose 1, my friend also didn't have much trouble picking one. In my mind, I always thought the quality and cleanliness would reflect the lower price but now I know that is not always the case. The girls are also younger on average than KTV girls from what I saw.

Girls: 7. 5 young and will to please

Service: 7. 5 everything you usually get, special request should be made to the mommy to make sure the girl is willing, also got the "here's a boob for you to look at during the line up"

Atmosphere: 5. 5 High pressure car salesmen have nothing on these mommies price: 9 How can you beat 200rmb for ST? We were staying about 20 mins away so we gave them 30rm combined for the ride back. I would definitely use BBS more often in the future.

5. Day five: Goodview KTV (Tangxia) A short 30 mins from CP and a world apart in feeling. You can really relax here while you are having fun. Had a quick dinner and got to the KTV by 7pm SHARP as usually for most KTVs but especially true for this one as a lot of customers are waiting for the doors to open and make a run for the girls. It takes a while for all of the girls to line up in the main viewing area as it cannot fit all of the girls at the same time. Didn't have too much trouble picking girls I liked but this is all subjective.

Girls: 7. 5 girls a plenty, just don't be too slow or you'll lose out on the ones you like. Service: 8 had two girls and they really tried to take care of me in the KTV room when we were playing for drinks against my friends.competing for attention but in a friendly way.

KTV room: 7. 5 usual nice KTV room, nothing special but clean and well kept price: 8 considering the environment it is a great price at 2-5-8, that being said there are two other price ranges: elite girls were 3-6-9 and models were higher still but I didn't ask as they are the ugliest ones just super tall. We were drinking Whiskey so the bill was close to 1000rmb a person with all of the room tips included (tips for girls not included)

6. Day six: Goodview KTV. More or less the same as above but this time a friend got a mommy he know to let us in the back door about 15mins before the main doors opened up to get first crack at the girls. Funny thing is that when we went down to the viewing area there were already about 25 guys down there picking! Damn, so much for first crack. I don't know how much better it is as a lot of the girls aren't even out there at that time.

All in all it was a very good week, tried a lot of talent, had a great stag for a friend but next time we'll save a lot of money and use more BBS for nights we don't want to drink much.

Hope this info helps someone.

Cheers,

GZ

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Old Mean Dog
04-29-08, 14:38
I noticed tonight that the city has installed a pole mounted security camera directly across from the Lucky Hotel. I know some of you will say "so what", but considering there is no stoplight or pedestrian crosswalk there and the fact that this is a main area where the mommies conjugate, I can only suspect what it's main purpose is.

Play it safe.

-CPE

BTW: BB got an explanation for this?

Manfest
04-29-08, 22:47
This is terrible news! There are very few conveniences that match the scene at Lucky's doorsteps. It starts right at the top of the escalators all the way to the corner during some hours. For lazy people like myself, you don't have to walk more than 10 feet out the lobby! I guess this will all change. Thanks for the heads up CPE, I usually don't notice these types of things.


I noticed tonight that the city has installed a pole mounted security camera directly across from the Lucky Hotel. I know some of you will say "so what", but considering there is no stoplight or pedestrian crosswalk there and the fact that this is a main area where the mommies conjugate, I can only suspect what it's main purpose is.

Manfest
04-29-08, 22:56
Atmosphere: 5. 5 High pressure car salesmen have nothing on these mommies price: 9 How can you beat 200rmb for ST? We were staying about 20 mins away so we gave them 30rm combined for the ride back. I would definitely use BBS more often in the future.


Sounds like you had fun, good report. Please note that behind the HuiMei, the BBS is 150rmb ST. Yalan is 200rmb ST. For solidarity's sake, stick to this pricing, although I suspect there is a major attempt to increase it. Cheers.

Bill Lee
04-29-08, 23:05
a big taxi riot last year with the blue cabs versus the yellow cabs in front of the Lucky?

Wonder if the Sharks and Jets meet there often enough to warrant a camera?

Hell, if they want to see the going ons of the Lucky, all LE has to do is to tapped into the cameras in the hallways of the Lucky and the Miraton, Hui Mei, Hui Hua, Hui This and Hui That. Oh, not to forget the hidden cameras in Santa's, mine's, SE Joe's, etc's bedrooms.

Just curious where's the camera pointed at? toward the Lucky entrance?

Bill



I noticed tonight that the city has installed a pole mounted security camera directly across from the Lucky Hotel. I know some of you will say "so what", but considering there is no stoplight or pedestrian crosswalk there and the fact that this is a main area where the mommies conjugate, I can only suspect what it's main purpose is.

Play it safe.

-CPE

BTW: BB got an explanation for this?

Fast Eddie 48
04-30-08, 03:49
Yes, the best looking girls but the worst in service, IMHO. Then you add the aggressive Mommys. Before the remodeling, I went into a room alone to sit down to see the girls. When I wanted to leave, the mommy blocked the door and the girls started to pull me back to sit down. I had a hell of a time trying to get out.

Now it\\\'s one large room.Weelock,

I was there last week.

The Swan Lake girl is hot.

I agree with Weelock.

The service is rush and mechanical.

I don't think I ever got one with good GFE.

The mommie is pushy.

The BBS action is getting worst and worst.

They are no longer in the room,

They are all out on the floor with 4 mommies and 10 girls in each group.

Fast eddie 48

Old Mean Dog
04-30-08, 04:13
Hell, if they want to see the going ons of the Lucky, all LE has to do is to tapped into the cameras in the hallways of the Lucky and the Miraton, Hui Mei, Hui Hua, Hui This and Hui That. Oh, not to forget the hidden cameras in Santa's, mine's, SE Joe's, etc's bedrooms.

Just curious where's the camera pointed at? toward the Lucky entrance?

Bill

Good Question! It's a dome mounted camera, which is a camera mounted inside a ball, so to speak, to protect it from the weather and suspicious eyes. I used to work with these in a past life and these cameras have the ability to spin around in any direction 360 degrees with excellent visual distance. Whats best about them, was the ability to zoom in so close, you could see the color of a persons eyes.

I will check around other areas to see if anymore habe been installed.

If you are staying at the Lucky, I would suggest doing sex business inside the hotel or travel elsewhere to get a girl until someone can find out why this camera is there.

-CPE

Downunder96
04-30-08, 13:01
Decided to go to Walter hotel for a foot massage last night but for some reason they thought I wanted a body massage! quoted $45 for 60 minutes in a single private room. 25year old lady walked in & straight into business!. I was wearing tight jeans so was told to remove so she can massage properly. She speaks cantonese and started flirting with me. She was holding my didi and kissed it a couple times! To cut a long story short, she offered me to have FS for $300 including fixing up the massage bill of $45 and tip but I declined.In the end we settled for $200 inclusive but only for the duration of the masage hour. She locked the door and .....Overall experience 6/10. I did it because it was something different. Would I do it again? The answer is NO!
I think her number is 221 or 201 can't remember much! Going out for a walk now for my last night in CP

Manfest
04-30-08, 15:41
Oh, not to forget the hidden cameras in Santa's, mine's, SE Joe's, etc's bedrooms.

Would you mind uploading all the real-time video and giving out the password to your room action. That way, I may never have to leave my own house. I love these reality shows.

Come to think of it, please cover up your face and butt first. I might have nightmares otherwise. :)

Dan Hawaii
04-30-08, 20:22
Weelock,

I was there last week.

The Swan Lake girl is hot.

I agree with Weelock.

The service is rush and mechanical.

I don't think I ever got one with good GFE.

The mommie is pushy.

The BBS action is getting worst and worst.

They are no longer in the room,

They are all out on the floor with 4 mommies and 10 girls in each group.

Fast eddie 48
And they dress some of the girls up in black mommy uniforms. You know the mini skirt and dress shirt attire. Kind of a fettish for some :)

Dan Hawaii
04-30-08, 20:27
You always make me mad 2 can sam. You know why? Because you one lucky bugga that lives in HK and can go to CP all the time. And we never met up the last time I was there. Just kidding. ;)


THIS..... is the post that AG moderated as being offensive.

Anybody here REALLY offended?

All I was saying in Jest was that a real BSD would NOT be discussing in such earnest, the RMB10 or 20 difference in the price (which was acftually provided gratis by the momma) of a short term room at the Star of Star hotel.

Whoever you are - if you're really offended, then please tell me directly - either privately by PM or publicly and I will apologize/explain that I certainly do not mean to offend anybody. No need to involve AG as he is busy doing all that work on his threads

Nice guy that is AG, he tells me that if I chose to post on this in the main board, there is nothing he can do to help when a Flaming wars starts.

SEAJ

Dan Hawaii
04-30-08, 20:35
3. Day three: Prince KTV, I was expecting a lot from Prince as it is suppose to be the best and can command higher KTV prices. WHAT A DISSAPOINTMENT! We went through 150 girls and had trouble picking. I'm picky but not that picky. WE HAD TO SETTLE ON GIRLS! Never happened to me there before.

Girls: 6 lots and lots of girls, just very few to our liking.

Service: 7 the girls we had were friendly enough and did what they were expected to do.

KTV room: 7 same as before, could use some updating now after all these years, minimums are almost double Jia Yi

Price: 5 they have 2 price structures for their girls now. Red tags are 2-5-8 and green tags are 3-6-9. Most of the girls are green tags! Beers are also buy 3 get 1 free. Worst deal around town. Most expensive KTV in the area is nothing without hot KTV girls.

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I totally agree that the Prince KTV girls and prices are not worth it. I also had a hard time picking girls, not so beautiful. Service was not so good and ktv price was on the high side. The show also was lacking, last years show was way better with a circus ariel act, this time was mostly singing. There is also a blue tag for girls which is even higher than the 3-6-9, I think it was 4-7-10 or something. I just know the LT was 1000 rmb, cause my friend got one. He was happy with his girl, he said she looked korean, but I though she was just alright. "To each his own"

SE Asia Joe
05-01-08, 06:27
You always make me mad 2 can sam. You know why? Because you one lucky bugga that lives in HK and can go to CP all the time. And we never met up the last time I was there. Just kidding. ;)
Yeah....but.... as I understand it..... You manage to cram in a helluva lot in your quite periodic weeks long trips to China dontcha??
Looked enviously at a guy with shoes as I had none on mine....till I saw a guy with no feet.

SEAJ

Da Dicknotist
05-01-08, 06:28
Staying at the Ya Lan Hotel, as some have recommended on the forum. Sat across the street in front of the Ya Lan KTV for an hour or so waiting for my friend to get in, talking with a couple of the mamasans. One of them bought me dinner, so I felt kind of obligated to be with her. She booked me a room at the Ya Lan for a slight discount, and we checked out her KTV. Dead.

Went to Hui Hua sauna, which was simply the best sauna experience I've ever had. The lineups weren't nearly as impressive as some of the other ones, but the service was beyond spectacular... But there's a small problem - I realize I'm just not a sauna person. Everything else is nice, but I'm a manimal and I'm just all about the BBBJ and the FS. The cat bath and anal stuff just isn't that appealing.

Checked out Xin Di (New Earth?). It was 80% sausage. I'm guessing we should've brought girls with us there? We checked it out again around closing time (0530) and it was still fairly packed, but still all sausage. Damn it.

Went to the Ya Lan BBS - found a Hunan girl. Good service, but had hairier armpits than me. Damn it. 150 RMB short time - dunno who it was that said 200, but that's totally not true.

Da Dicknotist
05-01-08, 06:31
Many people have commented on the cute mamasan that's better than the girls at Swan Lake - her name's Christine. I've been playing SMS with her for a while, but can't secure a meeting outside. Has anyone had any success?

OldAsiaHand
05-01-08, 11:16
SEAJ,

The post makes no sense to me taken out of context. I tried to find the post in AG's section. How far back is it? Did he delete it?

The history is simple. AG was taking a lot of crap on the main board so Jackson gave him his own section to moderate. AG claims that he can post on the main board but I have not seen any posts since he had his own section.

OAH


THIS..... is the post that AG moderated as being offensive.

Anybody here REALLY offended?

All I was saying in Jest was that a real BSD would NOT be discussing in such earnest, the RMB10 or 20 difference in the price (which was acftually provided gratis by the momma) of a short term room at the Star of Star hotel.

Whoever you are - if you're really offended, then please tell me directly - either privately by PM or publicly and I will apologize/explain that I certainly do not mean to offend anybody. No need to involve AG as he is busy doing all that work on his threads

Nice guy that is AG, he tells me that if I chose to post on this in the main board, there is nothing he can do to help when a Flaming wars starts.

SEAJ

OldAsiaHand
05-01-08, 11:24
FE48,

I had pretty good service from a big rack girl from the mommy just when you walk in the door last time I was there. ABCinLA said was going to try her the next day. I would be interested what he thought.

That said, I have also noticed that the BBS service level in CP has dropped overall. It may be because we are still paying only 200 RMB vs. 250 RMB or more by the BSDs.

The rush you experienced may have been due to the Canton Fair and the brisk business it brings in. There is also a noticeable difference for me between weekdays and weekends when it is busier.

Just my POV.

OAH



Weelock,

I was there last week.

The Swan Lake girl is hot.

I agree with Weelock.

The service is rush and mechanical.

I don't think I ever got one with good GFE.

The mommie is pushy.

The BBS action is getting worst and worst.

They are no longer in the room,

They are all out on the floor with 4 mommies and 10 girls in each group.

Fast eddie 48

Daft Boy
05-01-08, 18:08
I'm just back from 6 nights in CP and what a place for sex.
I arrived on my first night with my friend who never had a sauna girl or BBS in China. It was after 9pm when we checked into the hotel (Miraton Hotel) so we went for a bbs girl to start off the night. We walked past the Virgin Hotel and was met by 2 or 3 mamasan. we went with one to a small tabaco shop where there was around 10 girls all ok for a quick shot. Picked one each and back to the hotel for a good service, bbbj, kissing,anal rub and bbbj in the shower. 200rmb for maybe 1 hour I think.
That night we had a massage girl come from the 7 floor to our rooms for massage and HJ 150 rmb for 2 hours. The massage was a good way to finish off a hard day travel and the HJ was a extra treat (No 286 knew how to do good slow hj) When she finished I was almost asleep for the night.
Next day we went past the Virgin Hotel again and went for another bbs girl again ok looks service was good but this time no kissing. later that night we went for a sauna in the Hua Hui hotel next door to the Miraton and this was great. I got a girl ( thought her number was 18 but next time I looked for no 18 it was a different girl!!!!!!) she knew how and where to lick, suck and fuck. first had bbbj in the shower and came in her mouth, she kept sucking as I came. Then washed me off and into the bed for another licking, sucking and then fuck. She said as all chinese girls say "western men are too big" but I think she like big (I'm only standard for a western man) The line up was good maybe 3 or 4 girls at a time but I sent them away 3 times looking for miss right and and I found her. 300 rmb girls and then model girls at 500rmb. My girl was 500rmb model.My girl danced and had a dvd with her but I cut that shit short and went to the shower. My friend had the same fun only with a 300rmb girl but no dance or dvd shit.
next evening we went for BBS again in the hotel across the street and down the alley from the Virgin Hotel. We picked some nice ass young 19 years old girl who did not speak english until I was fucking her hard when she say sore sore!! or something like that but I don't speak chinese so I keep going!! After we had dinner we went to the Miraton Sauna it was ok maybe not as good as the Hua Hui and the Virgin sauna but still much better then anything I ever had in Guangzhou.

Bill Lee
05-01-08, 18:09
Quote:
SE Asia Joe
Title: REAL BSD talk!!

WTF - we really are talking about .....THIS???!!!
Now, let anybody tell us that we're a bunch of BSD's Go on.....come on...!


THIS..... is the post that AG moderated as being offensive.

Anybody here REALLY offended?

All I was saying in Jest was that a real BSD would NOT be discussing in such earnest, the RMB10 or 20 difference in the price (which was acftually provided gratis by the momma) of a short term room at the Star of Star hotel.

Whoever you are - if you're really offended, then please tell me directly - either privately by PM or publicly and I will apologize/explain that I certainly do not mean to offend anybody. No need to involve AG as he is busy doing all that work on his threads

Nice guy that is AG, he tells me that if I chose to post on this in the main board, there is nothing he can do to help when a Flaming wars starts.

SEAJ

Bill

Bill Lee
05-01-08, 18:11
Originally Posted by SE Asia Joe
And as an aside, That AG is getting all upset at whatever it was that I had supposedly written on HIS Dongguan thread - only for the life of me I really cain't rememer what it is actually that I wrote!!! He'd xxxxx'd most of what I had suppossedly written so I really don't know.....!!! Anybody here know what it is that is getting AG all pissed off?? STrange.... very strange.... I've sent him a nice PMS so I hope he don';t stay pissed off.
SEAJ


Damn - AT LAST...... I got a reply from AG and according to him I had pissed off people and they had launched a SERIES OF COMPLAINTS to him - and hinted that the ones who complained are "Closer than I thought." "Close...!!" on ISG???!! Damn!!!

This sounds really SERIOUS! And here I thought that when I write - its just all air and fluff. Besides which, is ANYTHING really all that serious on ISG that......!

And even now, I still don't know what it is that I wrote as all I see is a bunch of xxxx's.

So.... anybody remember what it is that I actually wrote?? I really REALLY am curious to know what could set off such a reaction.

Hmmmm.... perhaps I should just stop writing - at least stop writing on AG's board for he tells me that his job as a moderator keeps him busy.

SEAJ

ps. come to think of it - how come AG DON'T write on the regular boards?? And why a separate board for parrallel subject?? anybody know?


It's time to take a break.

Bill

Bill Lee
05-01-08, 18:20
Couldn't you have read the recent past posts and pay 150 RMB instead in the Hui Mei alley? You newbies are creating a new standard of 200 RMB in the alley.

Bill


I'm just back from 6 nights in CP and what a place for sex.
I arrived on my first night with my friend who never had a sauna girl or BBS in China. It was after 9pm when we checked into the hotel (Miraton Hotel) so we went for a bbs girl to start off the night. We walked past the Virgin Hotel and was met by 2 or 3 mamasan. we went with one to a small tabaco shop where there was around 10 girls all ok for a quick shot. Picked one each and back to the hotel for a good service, bbbj, kissing,anal rub and bbbj in the shower. 200rmb for maybe 1 hour I think.
That night we had a massage girl come from the 7 floor to our rooms for massage and HJ 150 rmb for 2 hours. The massage was a good way to finish off a hard day travel and the HJ was a extra treat (No 286 knew how to do good slow hj) When she finished I was almost asleep for the night.
Next day we went past the Virgin Hotel again and went for another bbs girl again ok looks service was good but this time no kissing. later that night we went for a sauna in the Hua Hui hotel next door to the Miraton and this was great. I got a girl ( thought her number was 18 but next time I looked for no 18 it was a different girl!!!!!!) she knew how and where to lick, suck and fuck. first had bbbj in the shower and came in her mouth, she kept sucking as I came. Then washed me off and into the bed for another licking, sucking and then fuck. She said as all chinese girls say "western men are too big" but I think she like big (I'm only standard for a western man) The line up was good maybe 3 or 4 girls at a time but I sent them away 3 times looking for miss right and and I found her. 300 rmb girls and then model girls at 500rmb. My girl was 500rmb model.My girl danced and had a dvd with her but I cut that shit short and went to the shower. My friend had the same fun only with a 300rmb girl but no dance or dvd shit.
next evening we went for BBS again in the hotel across the street and down the alley from the Virgin Hotel. We picked some nice ass young 19 years old girl who did not speak english until I was fucking her hard when she say sore sore!! or something like that but I don't speak chinese so I keep going!! After we had dinner we went to the Miraton Sauna it was ok maybe not as good as the Hua Hui and the Virgin sauna but still much better then anything I ever had in Guangzhou.

Old Mean Dog
05-02-08, 04:15
Couldn't you have read the recent past posts and pay 150 RMB instead in the Hui Mei alley? You newbies are creating a new standard of 200 RMB in the alley.

Bill

I think it's far to late to try and educate them. My thinking is, they don't even attempt to try and barter and just accept the price given because:

- They don't speak the language
- Do that exchange rate thing in their head
- Are too damn horny to give a shit

What kills me though is the fact that they are paying the mommy the extra 50, not the girl banging them.

Oh well Bill, just need to accept the fact the sex tourists have caused inflation and it's 200 for P4P behind the Hui Mei. I wonder when the Yalan area will band together and start charging 250?

-CPE

Downunder96
05-02-08, 04:20
Sometimes don't be afraid to be a little rude to them.
The first thing I usually tell them $150 then I will sit & pick if not then I will walk. Save some extra for tipping your hard working chick.


Couldn't you have read the recent past posts and pay 150 RMB instead in the Hui Mei alley? You newbies are creating a new standard of 200 RMB in the alley.

Bill

Daft Boy
05-02-08, 08:28
Couldn't you have read the recent past posts and pay 150 RMB instead in the Hui Mei alley? You newbies are creating a new standard of 200 RMB in the alley.

Bill

I have read many reports and have seen 200rmb more often than 150rmb as the price. I was asked 250rmb on two nights but paid only 200. Sorry lads if we have fucked it up for you!! I know €5 Euro or $7.50 usd is a lot of money to pay extra when it should be only 150rmb!!

I'll know for the next time!
Daft.

OldAsiaHand
05-02-08, 11:01
Daft Boy,

You must have been confused. I repeat:

Yalan area including Swan Lake: 200 RMB
Hui Mei Alley: 150 RMB
Night Market: 150 RMB

Frankly, I am not sure how long we can make it last. Eventually, when enough mongers cave in to the higher pricing, they will just turn us diehards away.

Just my POV.

OAH


I have read many reports and have seen 200rmb more often than 150rmb as the price. I was asked 250rmb on two nights but paid only 200. Sorry lads if we have fucked it up for you!! I know €5 Euro or $7.50 usd is a lot of money to pay extra when it should be only 150rmb!!

I'll know for the next time!
Daft.

Old Mean Dog
05-02-08, 11:25
I know €5 Euro or $7.50 usd is a lot of money to pay extra when it should be only 150rmb!!

Daft.

It's the principle of the matter, not the fact it is only 5 Euro or 7.50 USD.

-CPE

Bill Lee
05-02-08, 12:11
I don't know about you guys but the best pussy I had was in the catacomb. Hot girls. Best room in town. safe from the LE. The price is just right. More GFE than anywhere I had in China. Fuck as long as you like, multiple Os.

Damn. So if you come to CP, hit the Catacomb first. It's a must and the cream of the crops in CP. Nothing compares to the Catacomb, better than saunas and KTVs in town.

Who among us thinks that these young newbies should experience the catacomb first before hitting the lesser venues like BBSs, KTVs and saunas? Afterall, it's not about the money.

Bill



Daft Boy,

You must have been confused. I repeat:

Yalan area including Swan Lake: 200 RMB
Hui Mei Alley: 150 RMB
Night Market: 150 RMB

Frankly, I am not sure how long we can make it last. Eventually, when enough mongers cave in to the higher pricing, they will just turn us diehards away.

Just my POV.

OAH



Originally Posted by Daft Boy
I know €5 Euro or $7.50 usd is a lot of money to pay extra when it should be only 150rmb!!

Daft

CPexpat, You didn't understand that DB was being funny, literally at our expense?

Daft Boy
05-02-08, 15:22
[QUOTE=Bill Lee]I don't know about you guys but the best pussy I had was in the catacomb. Hot girls. Best room in town. safe from the LE. The price is just right. More GFE than anywhere I had in China. Fuck as long as you like, multiple Os.

Damn. So if you come to CP, hit the Catacomb first. It's a must and the cream of the crops in CP. Nothing compares to the Catacomb, better than saunas and KTVs in town.

Who among us thinks that these young newbies should experience the catacomb first before hitting the lesser venues like BBSs, KTVs and saunas? Afterall, it's not about the money.

Bill

Lads,
You are right we should not have paid 200 when the rate is 150rmb but I must have read the reports wrong. I really did think I was being a good boy and only paying 200 when she ask for 250rmb. Maybe we get carried away with the idea of having a chick for €20 euro for 1 or 2 hour when we have to pay 200euro in Ireland for 30min(which I never pay for at home)

I did have 2 girls one night for 300rmb and it was the best ride I had in a while, so I did pay 150 each one time!!!!!!!

You lads are the back bone of this business so I don't want to mess it for you or anyone.
daft

Manfest
05-02-08, 19:53
I think it's far to late to try and educate them. My thinking is, they don't even attempt to try and barter and just accept the price given because:

- They don't speak the language
- Do that exchange rate thing in their head
- Are too damn horny to give a shit

What kills me though is the fact that they are paying the mommy the extra 50, not the girl banging them.

Oh well Bill, just need to accept the fact the sex tourists have caused inflation and it's 200 for P4P behind the Hui Mei. I wonder when the Yalan area will band together and start charging 250?

-CPE

CPE, I think you are being too nice. Perhaps something you are not usually accused of? :)

I don't speak the language and am usually horniest guy in the room. Nevertheless, spend about 5 minutes nicely signaling that it is 150 (write it down, punch it into the phone, or say yi-bai wu), don't hand the money over until agreed upon, don't let a locked door or physical touching intimidate you; and, they quickly agree. Just a month ago, the norm was to ask for 200-250, but agreed to 150. The same mama from same shop had the gall to ask for 200 the next day for the same girl.

Old Mean Dog
05-04-08, 05:53
I noticed a new KTV in town last night called "Encore", looks pretty nice from the outside and is located past the Century Hotel next to the new Bank of China. This may be of interest to you KTV'ers as it's not in an area frequented by everyone and their brother.

-CPE

OldAsiaHand
05-04-08, 06:58
[QUOTE=Daft Boy
Maybe we get carried away with the idea of having a chick for €20 euro for 1 or 2 hour when we have to pay 200euro in Ireland for 30min(which I never pay for at home)
[/QUOTE]

Daft Boy,

Apology accepted, however, this conversion is what we are trying to explain is the source of the problem. You are in China, paying in RMB. 200 RMB is 200 Euro! If you never pay at home, why would you pay 200 Euro for action in China.

Just my POV.

OAH

Globotto
05-04-08, 11:24
Can somebody direct me to Yalan, Swan Lake & Night Market areas in CP?
I know of the BBS HuiMei Alley. I ate some pretty damn good oysters over near there aswell. I want to venture over to Dongguan town and look around. I guess the dream is a decent GFE, foreplay with kissing,BBBJ & Bang at least for a couple hours. I will arrive in CP May 6th. Normally i am in Thailand.

P.S. Daft Boy where is Catacomb Sauna and what is the price?

Old Mean Dog
05-04-08, 13:02
Can somebody direct me to Yalan, Swan Lake & Night Market areas in CP?
I know of the BBS HuiMei Alley. I ate some pretty damn good oysters over near there aswell. I want to venture over to Dongguan town and look around. I guess the dream is a decent GFE, foreplay with kissing,BBBJ & Bang at least for a couple hours. I will arrive in CP May 6th. Normally i am in Thailand.

P.S. Daft Boy where is Catacomb Sauna and what is the price?

Hop in a taxi and tell them Yalan.

Catacombs has a sauna?? Is it the big ass public swimming pool or the empty pond in back?

-CPE

Sukhumvitter
05-04-08, 16:24
Bill, you are a bad, bad man. I love it! LOL

I am sure the young men playing pool and generally hanging around the C'combs will help the newbies find the girl of their dreams. Those guys are swell fellows!

Just don't tell TOO many people about this hidden gem.

Off to catacomb'n I will go!



I don't know about you guys but the best pussy I had was in the catacomb. Hot girls. Best room in town. safe from the LE. The price is just right. More GFE than anywhere I had in China. Fuck as long as you like, multiple Os.

Damn. So if you come to CP, hit the Catacomb first. It's a must and the cream of the crops in CP. Nothing compares to the Catacomb, better than saunas and KTVs in town.

Who among us thinks that these young newbies should experience the catacomb first before hitting the lesser venues like BBSs, KTVs and saunas? Afterall, it's not about the money.

Pointpanic
05-04-08, 16:30
Can somebody direct me to Yalan, Swan Lake & Night Market areas in CP?
I know of the BBS HuiMei Alley. I ate some pretty damn good oysters over near there aswell. I want to venture over to Dongguan town and look around. I guess the dream is a decent GFE, foreplay with kissing,BBBJ & Bang at least for a couple hours. I will arrive in CP May 6th. Normally i am in Thailand.

P.S. Daft Boy where is Catacomb Sauna and what is the price?


As CPExpat said, grab a cab ot Yalan or Swan Lake or the Night Market. I am not ready for the Catacombs. The talent at Yalan or Swan Lake is plenty good.

Globotto
05-04-08, 18:51
I talked with someone who explained that the Catacombs are a area for 30Rmb quikies in a trashy room with no washroom. I will be the confused foriegn guy walking around trying to find good places near Yalan, Swan Lake and oh yeah night Market. I did find a market promenade and saw some really hot chicks but i dont know if thats the Night Market or where the ladies are selling it. I am wondering if any other guys been with girls that were afraid of listerine mouthwash and ones that used the little free tube of toothpaste to clean thier snapper in the shower. I got a kick out of that. I also got a kick out of the big Discotech with Dj's playing hyper electro and all the young chinese thrashing to it on the dancefloor and some staffers mopping up vomit.

CPExpat would you have any interest in hanging around with a couple american guys from Bangkok?

Old Mean Dog
05-05-08, 01:14
CPExpat would you have any interest in hanging around with a couple american guys from Bangkok?

You got mail!

-CPE

Jettsetter
05-05-08, 17:43
Will be in town with a small crew for some R&R. If anyone is around, PM me and perhaps we can try to do some venturing together. I'm pretty familiar with the area and speak the language.

Anybody have more info on Chang An and the nudie KTV? Is it worth the trip from CP just for a night of something "different?"

Last time, Pointpanic, me, and some others went bowling at some local hotel over the bridge, but I totally forgot the name of the hotel? Anybody know the name of the hotel, because otherwise, I will have to go through the same fiasco we went through last time. Too bad the bowling alley by Sunday Club closed... (maybe they are just remodelling).

OAH, CPE, hopefully you guys will be around again, I know I missed CPE last time I was in town.

-Jettsetter

Linzh
05-06-08, 08:10
Hi,

I am new to this forum, since I am in Dongguan for a week or so, I'd like you guys to explain me how to go to the Catacombs (this place seems interesting.)

I am not in Dongguan city itself, but rather in a close industrial zone (Can't name it.), if you can write the address or a name of a place nearby in Chinese that may help as well.

Thanks

SE Asia Joe
05-06-08, 08:36
Hi,

I am new to this forum, since I am in Dongguan for a week or so, I'd like you guys to explain me how to go to the Catacombs (this place seems interesting.)

I am not in Dongguan city itself, but rather in a close industrial zone (Can't name it.), if you can write the address or a name of a place nearby in Chinese that may help as well.

Thanks
OH Yes - definitely give him the actual address in Chinese!
Then it would save him the hassle of having to RTFF.
And on top of that, hey, us here always want to give all "LE boys" (as they would say in France) all the help we can provide don't we?

SEAJ

Old Mean Dog
05-06-08, 14:54
Hi,

I am new to this forum, since I am in Dongguan for a week or so, I'd like you guys to explain me how to go to the Catacombs (this place seems interesting.)

I am not in Dongguan city itself, but rather in a close industrial zone (Can't name it.), if you can write the address or a name of a place nearby in Chinese that may help as well.

Thanks

I don't think there is a physical address, as it is really just a series of shacks in very tight alleys, I think most of them don't even have running water in them. It is too difficult to explain unless your familiar with Chang Ping and/or staying here. Most of us just use landmarks to identify locations, so if I said it is behind the big ass swimming pool, that would mean nothing to you.

Besides, the Catacombs are really mafia controlled shitholes where all the local, poor ass fellas go to get a shot.

-CPE

Bob Builder
05-07-08, 04:14
Next you'll be complaining that there are too many BSDs at the Catacombs and they start charging you RMB35! Aren't the Catacombs behind the big ship in Shekou, right next to the place called Seibu. There is a similar place in Shenzhen where you get 15 minutes for RMB50 behind the Walmart on Feng An Lu. No wash, the door shuts, you put on the Johnny cover, she lifts up her dress and you pump away until times up. its probably the place MM reported about.

I realize the catacombs are not your usual hangout, LOL.

Fast Eddie 48
05-07-08, 11:56
Spend a few day in humen about 1hr drive from CP stay at humen hotel 198 rmb a night check out the bbs around Haiyun rd near humen plaza with my HK buddy 120 rmb for st back to the hotel but the girl is too young for my taste and no bj is on the menu very inexperience .

Check out Nanfang Sauna on the 7 fl of the H

ManonsanBoy
05-07-08, 13:55
Spent a morning with a sauna worker. Took her out for yum cha.

Here is the low down;

recruited whilst working in a restaurant.
2 week training programme including sex with 10 clients whilst teacher watches. Taught how to scrub, suck etc etc. Got NO money for this (100 from client went to the house).

She is a 8-9, f**ks like a whatever, evry GFE etc etc

Has 50-60 customers a month working 25 days

Earns 300 per customer (400 each, 100 for house)

Spends 1000 a month!

Foxlapan
05-07-08, 14:50
Came to CP on Tuesday afternoon and after going through the ISG forum, choose to stay in the Virgin Hotel. Have wondered around the area after checkin, then come across the Virgin Sauna which is in a separate building just behind the main Virgin Hotel building. Being a complete newbie in CP, I ask the captain and staff at the sauna reception for a massage. They all turn round to ask me to go to the MP on the 3rd floor of the main hotel building. Sensing something amidst, I hang on and one of the captain seeing a potential customer asked, if it is something else that I wanted like ‘one dragon’ or whatever. Not wanting to get it wrong again, I ask for more details on what is ‘one dragon’ and the cost. With my very limited mandarin, I can only reply in yes and no but with all the resolve I came to CP for, I went for it.

You get taken to one of the rooms in the upper floors and in this case, the third floor. It is a long corridor with lots of rooms and I can imagine what it is like in the weekend. The rooms all look similar is of a good size with a separate shower and walk-in cupboard. Having got into the room, came the parade of three girls for the first round who all look alike, probably sisters except one is taller than the other. Then came the next parade of three, not much to choose from and took the better looking, taller and slimmer of the lot.

The captain left and the girl stayed back and do some small talk, sort of gfe. Find out that she is 18 years old and from Xiangxi.

Then she suggest that we take a shower and ask to sit back while she do all the work to remove the shoes and socks. Next to come off everything else, then she will sit you at the edge of the bed while she do a sort of wriggle and twirl, while slowly undressing, sort of a strip tease. When it is all off, she lead you off to the shower where she will sit you on a stool split in the middle while you can guess what is it for. Start with the soap at the top in the back while working downwards, it can only get better from now, paying greater attention as she reach further down. While she is at it, I can imagine of what is to come later.

Turn round to the front and apply soap from the top as the essential parts are all cleaned out. When it is all done, she ask if I would like bbbj which is quite good and after all the anticipation and tease, it could have been end game, so I get her to ease off. She then dry you up and ask you to sit back while she return to the shower by herself. It is a good interval to cool down and anticipate the next course.

She came out and after drying herself, get you to lie down on the back and start with the first course of body message moving her breast from the head to the toes. Apply some oil, more of the same and with more body contact. Towel to remove all the oil, lick from the neck and all over. Next on to her box of tricks, came out more sprays, mouth wash, wet tissue which she use on the thighs and sole and toes. Sensing what is to come next and as I am not into foot fetish and think that no one should stoop so low as to lick the sole of your feet, I tell her that she does not have to go through this part of the course and move on. She insisted that I should try it and reluctantly I relented, it feels alright but still cannot really agree with it.

Moving on, with her telling me to go on a crawl position and again with my linguistic problem, she had to show me to go on my hands and feet. You would probably know what happen next. AR and lots of hand work on the little brother. No rush here and took her time till I had enough. Turn round and come the BBBJ and licking of the balls, lick up and down the front and more BBBJ. She would then lie down next to me with lots of gfe.

As it is still only mid way of a 2 hours session, there is no rush and have a chat and then its request time - asking me what would I like to do. Too much of a good thing can be ‘anticlimax’ and with too many options, I just have to try out as many positions and as she is doing well on the bbbj, to end with cim.

After that is done, its clean up time and she will go through the same routine of washing and cleaning up in the shower.

With still some time to go, she did some basic massage till its time to get dress and she will put back on all the clothes and shoes as she had taken it off in the first place. Then she will dress herself without the strip tease bit this time. She gave her mobile number and ask to visit her again when she will give a 100rmb off her normal first time charge of 300rmb. How this work out has been discussed elsewhere in the forum and if anyone reading this forum would like to have her, pm me for her number. The only problem is that she can only speak mandarin and remember the usual rule to threat her properly and you will get great service in return. Total cost including the room charge of 200rmb is 500rmb.

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Foxlapan
05-07-08, 17:39
Came to CP on Tuesday afternoon and after going through the ISG forum, choose to stay in the Virgin Hotel. Have wondered around the area after checkin, then come across the Virgin Sauna which is in a separate building just behind the main Virgin Hotel building. Being a complete newbie in CP, I ask the captain and staff at the sauna reception for a massage. They all turn round to ask me to go to the MP on the 3rd floor of the main hotel building. Sensing something amidst, I hang on and one of the captain seeing a potential customer asked, if it is something else that I wanted like ‘one dragon’ or whatever. Not wanting to get it wrong this time, I ask for more details on what is ‘one dragon’ and the cost. With my very limited mandarin, I can only reply in yes and no but with all the resolve I came to CP for, I went for it.

You get taken to one of the rooms in the upper floors and in this case, the third floor. It is a long corridor with lots of rooms and I can imagine what it is like in the weekend. The rooms all look similar is of a good size with a separate shower and walk-in cupboard. Having got into the room, came the parade of three girls for the first round who all look alike, probably sisters except one is taller than the other. Then came the next parade of three, not much to choose from and took the better looking, taller and slimmer of the lot.

The captain left and the girl stayed back and do some small talk, sort of gfe. Find out that she is 18 years old and from Xiangxi.

Then she suggest that we take a shower and ask to sit back while she do all the work to remove the shoes and socks. Next to come off everything else, then she will sit you at the edge of the bed while she do a sort of wriggle and twirl, while slowly undressing, sort of a strip tease. When it is all off, she lead you off to the shower where she will sit you on a stool split in the middle while you can guess what is it for. Start with the soap at the top in the back while working downwards, it can only get better from now, paying greater attention as she reach further down. While she is at it, I can imagine of what is to come later.

Turn round to the front and apply soap from the top as the essential parts are all cleaned out. When it is all done, she ask if I would like bbbj which is quite good and after all the anticipation and tease, it could have been end game, so I get her to ease off. She then dry you up and ask you to sit back while she return to the shower by herself. It is a good interval to cool down and anticipate the next course.

She came out and after drying herself, get you to lie down on the back and start with the first course of body message moving her breast from the head to the toes. Apply some oil, more of the same and with more body contact. Towel to remove all the oil, lick from the neck and all over. Next on to her box of tricks, came out more sprays, mouth wash, wet tissue which she use on the thighs and sole and toes. Sensing what is to come next and as I am not into foot fetish and think that no one should stoop so low as to lick the sole of your feet, I tell her that she does not have to go through this part of the course and move on. She insisted that I should try it and reluctantly I relented, it feels alright but still cannot really agree with it.

Moving on, with her telling me to go on a crawl position and again with my linguistic problem, she had to show me to go on my hands and feet. You would probably know what happen next. AR and lots of hand work on the little brother. No rush here and took her time till I had enough. Turn round and come the BBBJ and licking of the balls, lick up and down the front and more BBBJ. She would then lie down next to me with lots of gfe.

As it is still only mid way of a 2 hours session, there is no rush and have a chat and then its request time - asking me what would I like to do. Too much of a good thing can be ‘anticlimax’ and with too many options, I just have to try out as many positions and as she is doing a well on the BBBJ, to end with CIM.

After that is done, its clean up time and she will go through the same routine of washing and cleaning up in the shower.

With still some time to go, she did some basic massage till its time to get dress and she will put back on all the clothes and shoes as she had taken it off in the first place. Then she will dress herself without the strip tease bit this time. She gave her mobile number and ask to visit her again when she will give a 100rmb off her normal first time charge of 300rmb. How this work out has been discussed elsewhere in the forum and if anyone reading this forum would like to have her, pm me for her number. The only problem is that she can only speak mandarin and remember the usual rule to threat her properly and you will get great service in return. The total cost including room charge of 200rmb is 500rmb.

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SE Asia Joe
05-08-08, 05:03
Went scouting yesterday w/W (Thanks W!) and ....

LOTS of new talent.

5 pm May 7 Wednesday (which by the way is the BEST timje to go to CP as they have horse racing in Hong Kong/less HKG mongers). And since I did not go to the Swan lake BBS, this time, did NOT feel too much presure from the mommas.

2/F KTV across from Yalan - 20 or so - all eager

Baby's was well stocked with approx 40 pretty good looking gals.

Jojo's had only about a dozen - told me that earlier she had about 30 but that they've been taken.

5/f Silver Star equally well stocked - plus now they've got another momma/room on the same floor with only a couple OK gals. OTH, she told me that she officially only opens at 6 pm and thus she'll have approx 20 or so gals then.

2/f - another new one to me that is at the KTV - with 20 or so gals spread between 2 KTV rooms. Not much talent and the Momma looked better than the gal!! (She was HOT!!)

The Green Door BBS is now closed so headed to the Banyan tree with their usual pushy mommas. 10-15 in each of the 3 rooms...and then got suckered in to take a double header. Damn Damn Damn - when will I ever learn??!! got 2 suppossedly cousins with one of them suppossedly agreeing to even go down on her li'l sis! Yeah - right! Got them back to W's room and he tried taking pictures of them and that's when the "Bu Pai, Bu Pai" comes out.... unless you pay us extra. With the same pattern of demands antyime i tell them to do anything.... which of course was a complete turn off. The only redeeming factor in the whole thing was one of the gals was actually a white tiger with only a few whisps of hair (she's actually the biAtchier and better looking one of the 2 and was the one giving commands to her sister to "suck him here, go faster, rub here...there etc" Her name was Lulu - and she really WAS a Lulu!! BIATCH!

Rmb 400 poorer and nowwhere close to being satiated, I went on the hunt w/W again down the Hui Mei alley. Pretty tempted to take one there amongst the 20 or so gals in each of the 2 rooms we visited, but decided to check out the Jia Mei hotel rooms first. Was quite pleasantly surprised when a Momma I recognize got us into her room with approx 25 gals who stood straight up at attention when she barked upon entering. Good discipline I figure - much better than at other places of late! Sure hope her gals are also as disciplined and pliant in bed. Momma introduced me to a couple 5'10" quite good looking suppossedly Beijing gals but I decided on a smaller model with tits hanging out invitingly! Fa Fa was all bubbly and excited (I like that part about some of these gals - just being all happy at being able to do what they came down South to do!) and the momma arranged for a RMB60/2 hours room at the hotel.

Hy-oH Silva she rode and rode and enjoyed!! All in all quite a pleasant experience notwithstanding the fact that her tits were way smaller than what they really were. Damn push up bras! But at 150 plus RMB 30 taxi fare for her to go in the lift to go back up to the room upstairs - money well spent!

A RMB33 full course meal at Mito's to round out the evening and I was a happy camper back on the last train home

SEAJ

Ps. Pricing was as before 150 at Hui Mei alley and 200 at Yalan with no hassles. Seems its only at Swan Lake that they're trying to go to 250.

Fast Eddie 48
05-08-08, 15:14
When to Humen Nanfang sauna.

Great room .

They offer overnight stay after 9pm.

The room have steam room.

It's very newly remodel.

I got 2 line up 300 and 400 rmb.

I got a girl from Hubei.

#69 was a very cute a solid 8.

2 hour, no rush service with 2 shot .

The third shot is offered, but I was too tired.

The room cost is 98 rmb, total 498 rmb.

Humen is a big town with many clothing manufacture there.

You can buy a nice polo shirt and shorts for 10 rmb from many shops and clothings store in town.

A 3 star hotel for 100 rmb a night and sauna all over town, but the bbs actions is not as good as before.

Fast Eddie 48

Tulip777
05-09-08, 01:54
Arrived a few days ago and fell in love with a place. In 3 days of being here I've only seen 2 other Caucasians, besides myself. Of course I hear that Singaporeans tend to overpay as well. Stayed in Peninsula for 2 days then moved to Miraton. Much better location, even for 24/7 mongering. On the first day went to Yalan barber shop. BBBJ +FS - 130 RMB. So far visited saunas in Hui Hua, Virgin and Peninsula. Do yourself a favor and try #19 in the Peninsula sauna. Unbelievable service. She had tried every trick. Slurping, hot and cold water, toe in the pussy. 238 room, 300 girl. Do not tip no matter how much you like the girl. They don't expect it and it destroys their attitude and the entire scene. As far as looks, the best looking sauna girls were in Virgin Hotel. I liked #717 there. They told me she was new - who knows. They walk arround the corridor and you pick one. What I didn't like about Hui Hua sauna is that they tried to charge me 258 for the room. Met a Chinese guy from Brunei who speaks English so if I need to get my point across I call his cell and put him on the line. Mommys next to Virgin and Hui Mei are ready to tear you apart. You can't walk by without collecting 3-4 calling cards. I must say that some of the SWs don't look too hot and that says a lot considering this is China. Great foot massage place across from Miraton. #130 is great. She speaks English and is very friendly. Don't get me wrong - it's the massage only. Nothing else. Cost 49 RMB with a free drink for about 1 hour. Nice room with flat screen and comfortable chairs. You can get a less expensive massage in a less elaborate atmosphere. Funny thing happened to me on the first day. I went inside a place that had a few women. They pulled me in from the street. Near Yalan hotel. I payed 40 RMB and went upstairs to wait for a line-up. 20 minutes later I realised there is no line-up and I had just waisted 40 RMB on a short time room. That's what happens when you don't speak the language. And I'm a fairly experienced monger. Vitamin V 118RMB for 1 pill in pharmacy around the corner from Virgin. The atmosphere in Chang Ping is great. Really exceeded my expectation. You do need to use your common sense here though - which only makes it more interesting. I only hope this place won't be as spoiled as Thailand. Chinese people are great. Too bad I don't speak the language.

Tulip777
05-09-08, 08:32
Went scouting yesterday w/W (Thanks W!) and ....



Rmb 400 poorer and nowwhere close to being satiated, I went on the hunt w/W again down the Hui Mei alley. Pretty tempted to take one there amongst the 20 or so gals in each of the 2 rooms we visited, but decided to check out the Jia Mei hotel rooms first. Was quite pleasantly surprised when a Momma I recognize got us into her room with approx 25 gals who stood straight up at attention when she barked upon entering. Good discipline I figure - much better than at other places of late! Sure hope her gals are also as disciplined and pliant in bed. Momma introduced me to a couple 5'10" quite good looking suppossedly Beijing gals but I decided on a smaller model with tits hanging out invitingly! Fa Fa was all bubbly and excited (I like that part about some of these gals - just being all happy at being able to do what they came down South to do!) and the momma arranged for a RMB60/2 hours room at the hotel.

Hy-oH Silva she rode and rode and enjoyed!! All in all quite a pleasant
Ps. Pricing was as before 150 at Hui Mei alley and 200 at Yalan with no hassles. Seems its only at Swan Lake that they're trying to go to 250.


Hi SEAJ. You met a mommy who had a room with 25 girls inside Jia Mei when you went inside the hotel to check their rooms? How can I check it out? When I went by Jia Mei it looked pretty sad from the outside and I didn't see any mommys in the immediate vicinity. Maybe I misread your report - didn't know mommys were allowed to do this inside hotels. Maybe just bad luck.

SE Asia Joe
05-09-08, 08:46
Hi SEAJ. You met a mommy who had a room with 25 girls inside Jia Mei when you went inside the hotel to check their rooms? How can I check it out? When I went by Jia Mei it looked pretty sad from the outside and I didn't see any mommys in the immediate vicinity. Maybe I misread your report - didn't know mommys were allowed to do this inside hotels. Maybe just bad luck.
Huh? Jia Mei and the way it works is quite well known by most of us. At least I thought so.

Anyway, usually just outside the hotel or even wandering around half the length of Hui Mei alley, the Mommas from the hotel would usually collar us in.

If not, when you go in the hotel, you will 90% of the time see a couple or so gals sitting around the couch next to the main entrance or the tiny restaurant next to it. These gals are the mommies - or some of the WG's themselves.

They would usually just go up to you and then lead the way to whichever floor/room that they've stocked to do their business. If nothing else, you just look at them and point your fingers up to indicate you wanna go upstairs etc and they'll 100% lead you up.

Besides which, usually its IMPOSSIBLE to walk in that area of CP (and some other!!) without being accosted by at least one mommie or another.
SEAJ

Tulip777
05-09-08, 14:54
Huh? Jia Mei and the way it works is quite well known by most of us. At least I thought so.

Anyway, usually just outside the hotel or even wandering around half the length of Hui Mei alley, the Mommas from the hotel would usually collar us in.

If not, when you go in the hotel, you will 90% of the time see a couple or so gals sitting around the couch next to the main entrance or the tiny restaurant next to it. These gals are the mommies - or some of the WG's themselves.

They would usually just go up to you and then lead the way to whichever floor/room that they've stocked to do their business. If nothing else, you just look at them and point your fingers up to indicate you wanna go upstairs etc and they'll 100% lead you up.

Besides which, usually its IMPOSSIBLE to walk in that area of CP (and some other!!) without being accosted by at least one mommie or another.
SEAJ

Thanks SEAJ. My first time in CP. Will go there tomorrow.

AsnDragon
05-10-08, 02:51
Dear ISG brothers,

I'm in CP for a few days and I wanted to know if any brothers wanted to venture out to KTVs. The more the merrier. I still haven't met any of the true veterans on this board.

PM if you are interested, there's still many unexplored KTVs yet to be unveiled for me.

Talent is great this trip, lots of girls from up north are coming down south cause there's too many crackdowns up there. Personally met girls form suzhou to beijing that came down here cause it's too hard to make a living up there with this August olympics coming up.

Green door room is closed because they moved up to silver star KTV on the second floor. The same mommy works there.

Anyhow I'm in town let me know who would want to hang out.

AsnDragon
05-10-08, 03:10
Went to the building above Lucky hotel. You enter in through the side door. Was led to the 10th floor. It was a small room, with only a handful of girls inside. at 8 pm, it seemed pretty bad on a thursday. two girls playing cards, while two fell asleep ( one lying down and the other sliding down from a sitting position) Didn't really like the selection so i passed on it. I never seem to find a good one in the hui mei alley anymore. Especially after my friend's incident with a WG not performing and walking out on him surrounding him with a bunch of guys and mommies for not paying up, i sorta just ignore this location altogether.

the BBS with three rooms seems to have decent talent these days. Although they are a bit pushy (Not nearly as bad as swan lake) they have pretty decent selections, especially the room on the left. Saw some pretty cute ones there. Always negotiate the prices beforehand. Sometimes the girls here (as it's happened to me before) ask for 150 RMB after the deed. Make sure you confirm it's 200 RMB in front of the mommie and the girl, what's what i do.

Swan Lake KTV, although the MOST pushy out of all of them, middle section there's this shanghai girl, or so they claim. Has the biggest knockers i've seen before. About 5 feet 3 to 5 feet 4 inches or so. Was going to try, but i decided against it because it wasn't my cup of tea that day.

If you are going to get girls, try 3 to 3:30 pm, recently there's huge tour groups of taiwanese coming in. I mean van loads and bus loads. they come in waves of 8-10 each time. So if you happen to fall behind them in picking girls, basically your tough on luck, al the good ones are mostly taken by them. So girls go quickly these days. I was beaten to the punch by a group 7 taiwanese guys that took away 4 hot ones.

I still haven't gone to the yalan KTV, i never went back again because my friend reserved a girl with a deposit down, and asked the mommie to deliver her the following morning. But my friend overslept and called her to give her the girl in the afternoon instead and the mommie refused and said that the allotted time expired and wouldn't give him the girl nor a refund. He was pissed beyond belief.

Just to let you know, the new noodle place that took over e-sushi restaurant, serves pretty decent south east asian cuisine. They give discounts due to their recent opening. Went there with my friend and it was pretty decent, especially the thai ice tea wasn't bad...not sweet enough though.

Happy hunting. hope to meet some of you all soon.

AsnDragon

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AsnDragon
05-10-08, 03:16
never went back after going there once. reason being...well they stuffed more than 25 girls into one hotel room. the last time i went it, it was hot, murky and humid inside due to the enormous amount of girls they stuff inside one small cramped room. so girls are sitting on the floor, standing squating. it felt very clusterphobic. not to mention there's this nasty body odor smell cause there's too many girls. i saw that the paint and wallpapers on the walls were peeling due to the large amounts of moisture in the air.

so it was hard to pick cause you can't view them very well and it didn't smell very friendly so i left. usually before it was that guy manager that hands out in the lobby.

i use to actually stay at jia mei hotel when it first opened in 2005 spring and the rooms were dirt cheap and new for only 120 a night for a studio room with a mahjong table. now, i wouldn't touch that hotel with a 10 feet pole. it's got to be the least well kept hotel i've seen.

asndragon


hi seaj. you met a mommy who had a room with 25 girls inside jia mei when you went inside the hotel to check their rooms? how can i check it out? when i went by jia mei it looked pretty sad from the outside and i didn't see any mommys in the immediate vicinity. maybe i misread your report - didn't know mommys were allowed to do this inside hotels. maybe just bad luck.

Tulip777
05-10-08, 11:35
Dear ISG brothers,

I'm in CP for a few days and I wanted to know if any brothers wanted to venture out to KTVs. The more the merrier. I still haven't met any of the true veterans on this board.

PM if you are interested, there's still many unexplored KTVs yet to be unveiled for me.

Talent is great this trip, lots of girls from up north are coming down south cause there's too many crackdowns up there. Personally met girls form suzhou to beijing that came down here cause it's too hard to make a living up there with this August olympics coming up.

Green door room is closed because they moved up to silver star KTV on the second floor. The same mommy works there.

Anyhow I'm in town let me know who would want to hang out.


I'm leaving CP tomorrow morning and the girl I met in a regular massage parlor just left my room. After 3 hours and 3 shots I offered her 200rmb and she said "fank you". Will go to AC for 5 days and then back to CP for 5 more nights. I'm solo but did try Peninsula KTV - not a good experience. First they charged me 500 for the room (I suspect it should had been 400) After I picked a girl all of her friends were stopping by our room waiting for me to offer them a drink. I got a bottle of black label. I think they are helping each other so the girls don't have to drink too much by themselves. I made my girl chase every shot with a beer. Very soon I realised that I'll be the first to get drunk. It's not a place to go by yourself unless you know people in there. I had a lousy time and wouldn't do again.

Tulip777
05-10-08, 11:50
Huh? Jia Mei and the way it works is quite well known by most of us. At least I thought so.

Anyway, usually just outside the hotel or even wandering around half the length of Hui Mei alley, the Mommas from the hotel would usually collar us in.

If not, when you go in the hotel, you will 90% of the time see a couple or so gals sitting around the couch next to the main entrance or the tiny restaurant next to it. These gals are the mommies - or some of the WG's themselves.

They would usually just go up to you and then lead the way to whichever floor/room that they've stocked to do their business. If nothing else, you just look at them and point your fingers up to indicate you wanna go upstairs etc and they'll 100% lead you up.

Besides which, usually its IMPOSSIBLE to walk in that area of CP (and some other!!) without being accosted by at least one mommie or another.
SEAJ

Retraced your steps that very same day I read your report - couldn't wait. Everything checked out (not that I've ever doubted) I tried to give her 50 instead of 60rmb for the room but it didn't work. The girl tried to charge 200 and it didn't work either. When I first walked in there was nobody there except for the reception. Then out of nowhere a middle aged guy appears and points to the ceiling if I want to go upstairs. Took me to the room with only 4 girls. Two of them very pretty. I picked the prettiest one went downstairs with a mommy to pay for the room. Back in the room I decided to check the girl out before its too late. Tried to kiss her on the lips and asked her to do BBBJ right after the shower. Sure enough she starts playing games. Immediately I asked her to get dressed and went downstairs using an elevator to switch. The mommy was walking out of some side door when I made it to the first floor - I think she and the girl took the stairs. I told her that she should have more discipline. She apologized and took me to the room to get another girl assuring me of good service. She was right. 2 hours and 2 shots GFE all the way. After it was all over she asked for 200. I gave her 150 and 30rmb "taxi" money to go back upstairs, for good service. Thanks for the great info.

Old Mean Dog
05-11-08, 03:38
Went to the building above Lucky hotel. You enter in through the side door. Was led to the 10th floor. It was a small room, with only a handful of girls inside.

Is the entrance for this BBS, next to the Hui Mei Sauna? I often see a lot of hot, young girls going in there, but always thought it was their apartment building or the employees entrance to the sauna.

Thanks,

-CPE

Lubricate It
05-11-08, 07:39
Went to the building above Lucky hotel. You enter in through the side door. Was led to the 10th floor. It was a small room, with only a handful of girls inside. at 8 pm, it seemed pretty bad on a thursday. two girls playing cards, while two fell asleep ( one lying down and the other sliding down from a sitting position) Didn't really like the selection so i passed on it. I never seem to find a good one in the hui mei alley anymore. Especially after my friend's incident with a WG not performing and walking out on him surrounding him with a bunch of guys and mommies for not paying up, i sorta just ignore this location altogether.

the BBS with three rooms seems to have decent talent these days. Although they are a bit pushy (Not nearly as bad as swan lake) they have pretty decent selections, especially the room on the left. Saw some pretty cute ones there. Always negotiate the prices beforehand. Sometimes the girls here (as it's happened to me before) ask for 150 RMB after the deed. Make sure you confirm it's 200 RMB in front of the mommie and the girl, what's what i do. [/blue][/size]

On the Friday night two weeks ago (May 2nd) Baby took me to her selection in a new location, as described, on about the 10th floor above the Lucky Hotel. Entrance is on the right side (N.B.) of the Lucky. We started off with Baby being allowed to choose two chocolate bars at the 7-11, and then grabbing my arm in the persistent way she always does, we took the elevator up, sharing with some of her girls and there were more in the room, including surprisingly Nana (see photos) who a different mommie gave me for Y50 two nights earlier. The girl I chose was Tsien Tsien (the 18 year old in the photo thread), but Baby insisted on taking Y100 as it was pretty obvious I wanted Tsien Tsien for the whole night, and Tsien Tsien was a pretty tight and attractive little package. Nana whispered something in Tsien Tsien's ear as we left, and Tsien Tsien seemed happy with what she was told.

The next afternoon Baby looked much worse for wear, with a big patch of red mercurichrome on her right palm and a further patch on her left forearm. She carefully showed me the abrasions and said she had fallen over and put foward her arms to break the fall. I commiserated with her gently.

Then a couple of days later Baby caught me in the early afternoon with cute little Jing Jing who had arrived in CP from Fujian only two weeks earlier. It didn't matter that I had collected Jing Jing from another of my favorite mommies - Sholi (little Li) a day or two earlier - Baby snapped at Jing Jing in a most menacing way and collected Y100. On reflection, this transaction might have had something to do with a different monger and the fact that Jing Jing was now using a different mommie.

Anyway, the BBS shops in the alley are still active, but the overall quality is a little lower than a few months ago. Still, if you choose carefully, there are some gems there. It is becoming more difficult to get away with giving a mommie only Y50.

AsnDragon
05-12-08, 02:52
CPE,

Nope, those cute lookin' hot girls you see behind Hui Mei are mostly Hui Mei sauna girls. They enter from the backside of the alley. Unfortunately, the talent behind or around Huimei is really not good at all.

There's another alley, right on the right side of Boton Western restaurant, and that place next to the internet cafe, has TONS of good lookin' gals. Most of them live in that apartment complex upstairs and a lot o them are some other guy's mistresses. This was confirmed by a BBS girl i got that came to CP for a short term visit, in which she told me a Hong Kong guy put her up in one of those apartments for free to become his mistress.

Just show of hands, is Starbucks the main hang out place for all ISG mongers who come to CP? cause i know that's the only place for free wireless internet.

AsnDragon


Is the entrance for this BBS, next to the Hui Mei Sauna? I often see a lot of hot, young girls going in there, but always thought it was their apartment building or the employees entrance to the sauna.

Thanks,

-CPE

AsnDragon
05-12-08, 03:12
So, after hearing so much about Chang An KTV, i basically treked over there with a few friends to check out the scene. I stayed at the Chang An Hotel (4 star) not the Chang An International Hotel (5 star). It was a pretty old hotel and pretty expensive, paid about 463 RMB for a room.

Anyhow, it's well known that Dong Cheng is by far the craziest KTV in town. Chang An in general is a pretty dangerous city. I did some recon work on people who work and live there and asked them about the town and they said Chang An has one of the highest crime rates. Their police force just isn't up to par. But, that put aside, Chang An is pretty crazy when it comes to KTV.

Dong Cheng KTV seems a bit older and run down. The quality of the girls aren't that great at all. But they can really get wild and have fun with you. In fact girls at Jiayi are about two notches higher than Dong Cheng. But, the girls once again are wild.

When we came to the room we basically got VIP treatment cause we know the manager there. One of my friends goes there once a week to take clients out to have fun. The manager ook us straight to the girls' room where they lined up in two sections with 5 rows of wooden benches, about 50 girls inside. Usually they come to your room by 8 at a time to choose, but we got to go directly to that cramped room to pick and choose. The girls go really quickly. But once you pick them, they come into your room with a plastic bag and they put their underwear and bras inside.

As you get a bit more tipsy with the alcohol, my friends turns off the lights, turns on some techno music, and some disco flashing lights and we get all naked in the room and dance and touch and grope all the girls. So it's a pretty fun experience. Most of the girls play pretty wild. They start grabbing my crouch just when i first sat down. One of my friend's girl started grabbing all of our didi's and started comparing who had the bigger didi.

Anyhow, my girl was from Hubei. i think her number was 269 or something, don't quite remember, as we had lots to drink that night. Was petite, but tight, cute and really open. She has dyed light blondish brown hair. With a nice rack of at least bigger B cups. She was pretty wild in bed, seemed to enjoy it so much that she started to grab onto my back so tight, i had marks from her fingernails. Ouch! but at the time it felt good, just not afterwards.

DJ was 100 RMB
Room feee (including beer, food and fruits and room) was 600 RMB flat
Girls are 2-5-8

I have the manager's card if you are all interested.

Overall assessment: chang an is not nearly as fun as CP. However, it seems more like a family oriented city. Not much else besides the Sauna and KTV scene. i didn't get to explore any of the BBS over there. But it seems that CP is still the most diverse and unique place to find girls from all different types of venues.

Houjie seems to still be the best qualit girls i've seen to date so far. After treking all over CP KTVs and crown prince in Huangjiang, houjie girls on average are taller and a bit prettier in my book, Closer to the KTVs you find up north in Shanghai. Now everyone is entitled to their definition of pretty.

AsnDragon

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Playboy2000
05-12-08, 13:30
AsnDragon - Very nice report on the Chang An KTV. I definitely want to try it out during my next visit to CP in August. Sounds like a great time. Yes, it would be great if you could post the manager's card and the address.

Race

Bill Lee
05-12-08, 13:54
Just show of hands, is Starbucks the main hang out place for all ISG mongers who come to CP? cause i know that's the only place for free wireless internet.
AsnDragon

Other places with free wifi Internet are the Mitos cafe (in the Hui Mei/Virgin square park) and the Hui Hua Hotel lobby.

Yes, good report on Chang An.

Bill

El Greco
05-12-08, 17:03
Can someone please explain to me what CP stands for?

Seems to be something very common between China experienced mongers but still not in the abbreviations section of the forum.

Thanks

Manfest
05-12-08, 17:13
AsnDragon - Very nice report on the Chang An KTV. I definitely want to try it out during my next visit to CP in August. Sounds like a great time. Yes, it would be great if you could post the manager's card and the address.

Race

Race, the stars may align again! I will be there around 10, 11, 12... working out details. I'll PM details as the date gets closer. Unfortunately, I am not in control of my own schedule. -M

Santa
05-12-08, 17:18
El Greco.

ZH = ZhuHai. SH ShangHai. SK SheKou. HK HongKong. ZMT ZhangMuTou. CD ChengDu. CP ChangPing. GZ GuangZhou. DG DongGuan. SZ ShenZhen. CQ ChongQing. etc...

Jim Traveller
05-12-08, 19:14
Anyone around for some KTV hunting?

I am staying till Sunday May 18. Give me a PM if you are game.

Cheers,

Jim T

Globotto
05-12-08, 19:31
Here is a photo of a really good looker from the Night Market but she did NOT have a pleasent attitude. Definetly had me on a short timer for everything.
She did give BBBJ for a 2 minutes or so. She would not rise to doggie style but i got her into a variation of doggie style with me on my knees her horizontal on the bed. She is tough. But she is really hot. She is enthralled by her phone.
As she was preparing to leave i saw a glimse of a photo in her wallet. It had her and a guy and was framed by a heart which appeared to be her Chinese BF.
The next night at a cheezy Yalan KTV a HK man helped me communicate with a girl and a momasan. FYI No English is spoken in China. The HK man told me that the girls boyfriends send them to this job. The girl i picked that night was friendly. Well i am not looking for a mail order wife in these vestiges nor am i necessarily looking to discover whether they have a boyfriend or not. I am looking for good service. I met some ISG Xpats there. You guys are good guys. Thanks we had a blast.

AsnDragon
05-13-08, 08:27
English name: Dong Cheng Hotel

Chinese name:東城卡拉OK海鮮酒家

Manager's name english:Yang Song Sheng

Manager's name chinese:(楊松勝)

cell number: 13728238838

located on: 一杯路 and 蓮鋒路 intersection

Just to let you know so you aren't confused, the front entrance is into a seafood restaurant, not the regular KTV entrance, so you have to enter the seafood restaurant and go upstairs to the second floor. Just to let you all know.

SE Asia Joe
05-13-08, 10:32
Yup, happened again!

Last time, when I suggested CP as possible messing around destination to a local shenzhen friend, he remarked "Oh no - CP is too low class, its not for you and I, you cannot get anything worthwhile THERE!!" And of course I let it drop and followed him to his usual rendezvous in Houjie - a rendezvous he considers of a more appropriate class befitting our stature!! JEEZ!

Last night I ended up at the Miraton on the phone with another friend (from Hong Kong) who was already in ChangAn - with him remarking that No, No way he would have made the appointment to meet up with me for Dinner and KTV in CP!! That he'd arrange for a bunch of us for around Changan - not CP. CP is too low class!! OUCH!!

Wellllll.... since it was already dinner time, I just decided to stay on in CP instead of trekking over to Chang An. And had a great dinner at Louis's followed with a blast at the Hui Ha KTV with a bunch of A.B. Korean friends of Moody.

So what do you guys think??? Is CP a dump?? And what's worse, it was compared unfavorably to..... Chang An!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
05-13-08, 10:41
The good news on the Miraton - they've fixed the leaking showers by replacing the marble strip at the bottom of the shower door with one that slopes drastically inwards. Fixed it yes - but still no match for the way that these gals still trash the bathroom regardless!!

The bad news - rates gone up RMB 20 - 338 weekday, 388 week-ends. Hell this is more expensive than even the Hui Hua at 328 for their standard rooms. But as the gal at the Miraton pointed out, the deluxe room at the Hui Hua is higher than the rate I was charged for the Miraton deluxe room I stayed at!
SEAJ

Wadman
05-13-08, 10:55
CP is frequented by too many tourists, laowai's, ABC's who don't speak the language and/or know the rules. The girls and establishments quickly figure out what they can get away with in terms of lousy service and overcharging. After a while this becomes more or less the rule, so even the seasoned mongers have trouble getting value for money.

ChangAn has far fewer of this. Pretty much by definition. Because if you can't speak the language (or have a buddy who does) and don't know the lay of the land, you probably will not go to CA. Girls there are much better trained. ChangAn is more of a normal town too, whereas in CP everybody knows what you are there for. Let's hope things stay this way...

Meneer Joe, good to hear that you had fun at the KTV. How someone who drinks so little can have so much fun at a KTV is still a mystery to me. Ongelooflijk.




Yup, happened again!

Last time, when I suggested CP as possible messing around destination to a local shenzhen friend, he remarked "Oh no - CP is too low class, its not for you and I, you cannot get anything worthwhile THERE!!" And of course I let it drop and followed him to his usual rendezvous in Houjie - a rendezvous he considers of a more appropriate class befitting our stature!! JEEZ!

Last night I ended up at the Miraton on the phone with another friend (from Hong Kong) who was already in ChangAn - with him remarking that No, No way he would have made the appointment to meet up with me for Dinner and KTV in CP!! That he'd arrange for a bunch of us for around Changan - not CP. CP is too low class!! OUCH!!

Wellllll.... since it was already dinner time, I just decided to stay on in CP instead of trekking over to Chang An. And had a great dinner at Louis's followed with a blast at the Hui Ha KTV with a bunch of A.B. Korean friends of Moody.

So what do you guys think??? Is CP a dump?? And what's worse, it was compared unfavorably to..... Chang An!!

SEAJ

El Greco
05-13-08, 11:18
El Greco.

ZH = ZhuHai. SH ShangHai. SK SheKou. HK HongKong. ZMT ZhangMuTou. CD ChengDu. CP ChangPing. GZ GuangZhou. DG DongGuan. SZ ShenZhen. CQ ChongQing. etc...

Thank you very much Santa. Very helpfull. I am preparing a mongering/sight seeing trip to HK and Macau and probably southern China for September and I am doing my homework.

So far I am reading posts of ZH, SZ and DG.

Some questions might arise later on if you guys don't mind me asking.

For the time being a general one. Since I intend to visit HK and Macau is it worth going to China too only for mongering or should I get back to my favorite Thailand. My impression is that most of you are going there for business and do monger on the side. Is that true? Are there any other interesting things to do in those cities?

I am retired early and spend 2-3 months/year in SE Asia about 5 months in Latin America (Brasil and Argentina) and the rest (summer time) in the Greek islands and I always like to add new pins on my map.
Can't complain.

Thanks

SE Asia Joe
05-14-08, 05:27
CP is frequented by too many tourists, laowai's, ABC's who don't speak the language and/or know the rules. The girls and establishments quickly figure out what they can get away with in terms of lousy service and overcharging. After a while this becomes more or less the rule, so even the seasoned mongers have trouble getting value for money.

ChangAn has far fewer of this. Pretty much by definition. Because if you can't speak the language (or have a buddy who does) and don't know the lay of the land, you probably will not go to CA. Girls there are much better trained. ChangAn is more of a normal town too, whereas in CP everybody knows what you are there for. Let's hope things stay this way...

Meneer Joe, good to hear that you had fun at the KTV. How someone who drinks so little can have so much fun at a KTV is still a mystery to me. Ongelooflijk.

Ahhhh.... THAT's the reason!!

I forgot how Local Chinese mongers look down on providers who would also service Laowais and other nationalities! That these gals are at the very very bottom of the barrel and thus are forced to do them!!

So you guys - next time before you do a gal - think first.... you're gonna assign her to the very bottom of the barrel if you do her!!! Hahahah!!

And as far as KTV's are concerned - Ongelofelijk maar waar!
Het is goedkoper

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
05-14-08, 05:36
For the time being a general one. Since I intend to visit HK and Macau is it worth going to China too only for mongering or should I get back to my favorite Thailand. My impression is that most of you are going there for business and do monger on the side. Is that true? Are there any other interesting things to do in those cities?



Me.... I'd definitely switch China for Hong Kong!!

Hong Kong scene - either, way-overpriced Thai/Filipinos providers (compared to what you get in Thailand/Phillippines) or over-priced 141 gals (compared the quality/variety/services in china - for after all, that is where we get most of our Chinese "stock"). You want to go to KTV's in Hong Kong??? Be prepared to pay at least triple compared to China.

Macau is still worth it to go - if just for the novelty value - for here is a town that is solely dedicated to the mongering/wagering/Bacchalanian nature of the Male human species!! And in a setting/set up that is totally stress free and without any worrries about LE's or the black forces!! You got money - you get the full shebang!!

SEAJ

Bull Dozer
05-14-08, 22:52
Pleasure Dude & I hooked up on April 28th I think around 5:30PM. I happened to be staying at Lucky Hotel, I find that 190RMB for their Deluxe room on 5th floor is a great value. As I was walking from Mcdonalds towards Lucky I met this awesome looking young girl 19 years old going for shopping, we exchanged phone numbers & decided to meet around 8PM. She /Apple is a DJ at New Century KTV. It was her day off. She is not a regular working girl, but they all need money.

PD & I then headed to Yalan, met up with JOJO & picked up a couple of very young & cute girls . My girl was awesome, I forget her name, very GFE in every way. It happened to be her fist day in CP, I was her first date also. No she was not a virgin by any means. We went at it for about 1.75 Hours, & it was time to meet the next date. At exact 8PM my phone rang & it was Apple at the other end. We ended up going to the American Bar & Grill Across Miraton, the food was lousy, never go there again. After that we went to a foot massage place & then headed back to our hotels.

Apple is so Petite but is a Stunner. She drove me wild all night. After about 4 rounds, I could not even get my dick hard. She left at 9:30AM, I miss her so much, now we just chat online, it may be 4 months before I am back in China, may be she will be gone by then, will have to find a replacement then. Great time in CP.

GJ

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Pointpanic
05-15-08, 15:20
I met a girl from Wah Tai (Walter across from New Century)) named Apple in November. A real cutie college girl type and wonder if that the same one? Pleasure Dude is cool and is lucky to spend so much time in CP. Pointpanic

Pleasure Dude & I hooked up on April 28th I think around 5:30PM. I happened to be staying at Lucky Hotel, I find that 190RMB for their Deluxe room on 5th floor is a great value. As I was walking from Mcdonalds towards Lucky I met this awesome looking young girl 19 years old going for shopping, we exchanged phone numbers & decided to meet around 8PM. She /Apple is a DJ at New Century KTV. It was her day off. She is not a regular working girl, but they all need money.

PD & I then headed to Yalan, met up with JOJO & picked up a couple of very young & cute girls . My girl was awesome, I forget her name, very GFE in every way. It happened to be her fist day in CP, I was her first date also. No she was not a virgin by any means. We went at it for about 1.75 Hours, & it was time to meet the next date. At exact 8PM my phone rang & it was Apple at the other end. We ended up going to the American Bar & Grill Across Miraton, the food was lousy, never go there again. After that we went to a foot massage place & then headed back to our hotels.

Apple is so Petite but is a Stunner. She drove me wild all night. After about 4 rounds, I could not even get my dick hard. She left at 9:30AM, I miss her so much, now we just chat online, it may be 4 months before I am back in China, may be she will be gone by then, will have to find a replacement then. Great time in CP.

GJ

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Moody
05-17-08, 18:38
So checked out Virgin KTV today. Girls there have new uniforms. They're all wearing babydolls and thongs now. If you like that look, check it out.

Iccl88
05-18-08, 09:31
Hi SEAJ,

Will be going to CP next month and looking to book the HuiHua Hotel but on their website the price is double what you have indicated. Could you please indicate which website you use to book your hotels

Thanks


The good news on the Miraton - they've fixed the leaking showers by replacing the marble strip at the bottom of the shower door with one that slopes drastically inwards. Fixed it yes - but still no match for the way that these gals still trash the bathroom regardless!!

The bad news - rates gone up RMB 20 - 338 weekday, 388 week-ends. Hell this is more expensive than even the Hui Hua at 328 for their standard rooms. But as the gal at the Miraton pointed out, the deluxe room at the Hui Hua is higher than the rate I was charged for the Miraton deluxe room I stayed at!
SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
05-19-08, 05:50
Hi SEAJ,

Will be going to CP next month and looking to book the HuiHua Hotel but on their website the price is double what you have indicated. Could you please indicate which website you use to book your hotels

Thanks
Rack rates at most hotels in China are usually much higher than the rate that regular gets - and part of the reason, I guess, is to allow the various International hotel web-sites some lee-way to include their own mark-ups and still appear cheaper than the rack rate. But these hotel web-site rates are usually still considerably more expensive than the rates for regulars.

To get around all this BS, I usually just phone the hotel I want to stay at and pretend to either be a regular who've stayed before or say something like " John Smith told me to just call you and mention his name and for you to give me his rate" or some other nonsense. Works just about every time. Hui Hua number is 0769-8398-8888
SEAJ

Naisia
05-19-08, 06:56
Hi guys!

Is someone in CP now?

I just arrived in CP. I'm staying at the Hui Hua hotel!

Fast Eddie 48
05-19-08, 08:19
I never book hotel ahead of time in CP.

There are so many hotel in this small tiny town.

You alway get a better rate during the weekday.

Just show and ask for a discount rate.

There are also touts all over the place that can get you room 30% off rack rate.

There are more new hotels opening.

The Clipper Hotel just open a few door down from the Swan Lake and 5 min walk from Yalan.

A baby place room is 298 rmb a night weekday and 318 rmb for Saturday.

Very ncie room with large flat screen tv, but the KTV and sauna is not open yet.

Fast Eddie 48

Humsup
05-19-08, 18:08
my first report on cp dg and ktv 'recreation town' you gotta love chinese translations come euphemisms.

teaming up with my hk buddy (my guide) we literally speed (199 km/hr) by fast train to cp from my base in gz to rendezvous with the rest of his crew already preparing the groundwork for our arrival and 1/2 hr later we arrive in cp. upon disembarkation we are greeted by a bevy of girls handing out flyers promoting their new ktv. we brush past them and catch a privateer ride to jiayi hotel.

ten mins later at the hotel we collect our room passes from a gang member, freshen up and by 18:15 we prepare to enter the 'dragon' or the ktv club adjoining the hotel. for those who have never experienced it before, it's difficult to describe and something you will never forget. first phase you walk thru a tunnel to the 'cave' flanked on either side by normal club girls, yelling 'welcome' in chinese the noise is deafening.

next you hit the main arena or the inspection & selection area. here like a military style line up there are girls in 'work' outfits shoulder to shoulder either side of the narrow walkways. by my guessimate easily 300 odd girls available for selection with mummies aggressively pushing stock. considering they way they grab punters, drag their girls and shout, aggression is something of an understatement and the noise, omg it's incredible and akin to the old sfe 10years trading pit.

as you can imagine it's very difficult to make a choice(s), the gang's policy is to select two girls to generate competition and 'inspection' flexibility. concentration is difficult too as the girls are positioned close together so it's hard to get a clean lock and distracting with every girl & mummy grabbing and yelling at you to select them and this time not a lot of good looking consultants on duty. note the good looking ones are snapped up quickly by fast slashers.

for me i don't speak the local lingo so my strategy is to select girls with good attitudes or ones that smile and actually look like they want to work and please. i select my first girl on this criteria and send her to our room and finally select my no.2, a marginal girl based on better looks. the in-room experience is familiar to most readers however it's the time to eat, drink, relax, be pampered, play games, touch & inspect the company and generate the right mood and environment with your selection or your friend's for the pending overnight activities.

not speaking the language is certainly an issue when creating a gfe mood but the atmosphere is good and conducive to generating a connection with my girls. incidentally for non-singers or chinese speakers, the room lights can be dimmed and easily converted to a private disco so is still a viable entertainment option for groups of non-chinese speakers or 'gweilos'. but on this occasion with 23 people in the room it was a party atmosphere!

some background on our final selections. although i'm happy with my no. 1 draft pick throughout the evening i'm studying my hk buddy's no.2 girl. i have a read on her and can see despite her reserved nature she shows the personality & attributes to be a real dynamo in bed. also noticing my girls' height disadvantage and needing to fulfil my tall, slim girl requirement i strike a 'girl' swap deal with my buddy.

the deal works as follows, i will take his no.2 or my new no.1 if he takes my old no.1. he already expressed interest in my girl so in the end there were no dramas except for the confusion with the girls. they couldn't figure what was going on and thought we canned them both. my new no.1 was fine, happy to score and quickly settled into her new role but my old no.1 later confessed to my buddy she was tripping over the 'swap'. seems she was anticipating to ravage me all night long to only get him instead sorry mars but that's the only explanation..

anyway after a night of boisterous activities, around closing or girl check out time we make out final selection and pay off the losing candidate and then proceed with our prizes for late night supper. after filling out tummies we go back to the hotel to fill something else...

experience

this time i will spare readers the gory details but my girl essentially experienced every humsup ™ position with the same predictable tell tail sign of appreciation from her, with a neat finish of not one but two (mouth explosions) humsup cims ™! it's like wow, she was up for everything i threw at her and damn her cim was good, sucking every last drop and quiver from my brother :d.

costs (in cny unless stated otherwise)


fast train gz-dg - ¥55
condoms - ¥7.50 (3 pack)
privateer taxi train station to jiayi hotel - fixed price ¥15
ktv - ¥430 per punter, includes minimum room spend, 2 dj's and girl refreshments
supper & lunch - ¥40
room - ¥250
girl (loser) - ¥200
girl (winner) - ¥800 + 20 taxi (2-5-8 program)
fast train dg-gz - ¥50

conclusion

from my buddy's investigation jiayi hotel bookings are essential and the initial reservation requires id i.e. passport upon check in but not for subsequent bookings as they recall prior details on the system. despite my buddy lamenting the spiralling hotel prices imho the rooms are pretty good, large and spacious, big bathroom and quality toothbrushes. the only downside our rooms don't have windows so it's difficult to get a sense of time however the floor to ceiling mirrors in it's place make up for it.

as for my choice she was a top performer especially for a mainland girl, her oral skills were sensational considering most mainland girls never let a dick near their mouth and gfe top notch. in the end i had absolutely no regrets swapping with my buddy but just hope she recognises me when i call her on a repeat visit to cp :p.

rating

name: ping (but for the night she got the moniker of edison chan's harddisk girlfriend) ;)
no: ???
nationality: mainland chinese
languages: mandarin
age: early 20s
looks: 6/10
body: 7/10 (coltish but tight & hard)
tits: 6/10 (small but firm, size a or 1)
pussy: 7/10
dfk: 7/10
fj: 7/10
bbbj: 7/10
cim: 8/10 (2 x times)
gfe: 8/10
ar: not possible
daty: not possible
attitude: 7/10
time: on to 10:00
price: ¥800 + 20 taxi (2-5-8 program), two shots
wir: yes

overall rating: 7/10 :)

* btw i'm now based in gz so welcome the opportunity to experience cp with like minded individuals so if anyone is up for some dg action just pm me.

Bkk212
05-20-08, 06:27
Hi Guys,
Yes I have read the forum but there is little information about Shantou, China.
Unless it's called by another name in the forum.

Is there anyone who lives or knows about this city and can provide some information on living and working in Shantou.

I would really appreciate it. Thanks.

SE Asia Joe
05-20-08, 07:36
Hi Guys,
Yes I have read the forum but there is little information about Shantou, China.
Unless it's called by another name in the forum.

Is there anyone who lives or knows about this city and can provide some information on living and working in Shantou.

I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
Wikipedia it - you'll see that its in the Eastern part of GD and is one of the SEZ's - although not as well developed as SZ/ZH etc. and is part of the metropolitan region Chaosan.

It's where the Chiu Chow (TeoChow) people come from - well represented in HKG/Asia business circles by Lik Ka Shing and the entertainment circle by Andy Lau Tak Wah. And I LOVE chiu chow cuisine.

As far as "entertainment" is concerned, its like any of the other lmedium sized cities. You're gonna have a lot of choices and will need lots of energy.

Sorry - I don't have any specifics as I've not been there for ages - but why don't you report back to us!! OK?
SEAJ

Fast Eddie 48
05-20-08, 16:28
Hi Guys,

Yes I have read the forum but there is little information about Shantou, China.
Unless it's called by another name in the forum.

Is there anyone who lives or knows about this city and can provide some information on living and working in Shantou.

I would really appreciate it. Thanks.BKK212,

Shantou is located on north west Guangzhou near the coast, about 4 hr express bus from Shenzhen.

The cost 140 rmb.

I've been there a few times.

Yes, this city is a SEZ zone.

I have posted a few reports on South China.

Do a search or pm me if you need more info.

Fast Eddie 48

Humsup
05-20-08, 16:36
In my haste to post I forgot another important program available at Taoyuan quite suitable for non-Mandarin speaking punters on the prowl. The recreation centre has a live performance area with tables and bar.

From what I saw the performance is not much chop but according to my girls after 21:45 any unallocated girls are paraded and peddled by mummies to buyers in that area for a 5-8 option.

Apparently the KTV normally charges a fee if you take a girl out or elect to have girl company during the performance before the cut off time, however after that time there is no extra cost and the total outlay is entirely between you and the girl.

The downside is you pick from the slops but that's not a problem because there is a lot left over and from what I saw plenty of diamonds in the rough but regardless this is a great option for punters not big on the singing scene or without a wingman / local speaking guide.

Anyway my advice if you select this option, is around 22:00 position yourself at the bar near the main thoroughfare for a perfect 'firing' position ;).

HSL

Bkk212
05-20-08, 18:20
Thanks for the info, I will send in a post if I accept the job offer.




Wikipedia it - you'll see that its in the Eastern part of GD and is one of the SEZ's - although not as well developed as SZ/ZH etc. and is part of the metropolitan region Chaosan.

It's where the Chiu Chow (TeoChow) people come from - well represented in HKG/Asia business circles by Lik Ka Shing and the entertainment circle by Andy Lau Tak Wah. And I LOVE chiu chow cuisine.

As far as "entertainment" is concerned, its like any of the other lmedium sized cities. You're gonna have a lot of choices and will need lots of energy.

Sorry - I don't have any specifics as I've not been there for ages - but why don't you report back to us!! OK?
SEAJ

Bkk212
05-20-08, 18:22
Thanks Fast Eddie 48.

Did Google the city, but not much info on Shantou itself. More dats is available on Guangdong.

What is a SEZ zone?




BKK212,

Shantou is located on north west Guangzhou near the coast, about 4 hr express bus from Shenzhen.

The cost 140 rmb.

I've been there a few times.

Yes, this city is a SEZ zone.

I have posted a few reports on South China.

Do a search or pm me if you need more info.

Fast Eddie 48

Jammin 2
05-20-08, 19:22
What is a SEZ zone?

Special economic zone. China created these regions to promote economic development.

Fast Eddie 48
05-20-08, 23:08
Thanks Fast Eddie 48.

Did Google the city, but not much info on Shantou itself. More dats is available on Guangdong.

What is a SEZ zone?


to Bkk212

SEZ speical enconomic zones: There are 3 Shenzhen, Zhu hai and the newest Shantou, all in Guangdong provicnce,They are set up for international investment and manufacture.

Shantou is a fast growing city more and more foreign company is open manufacture there,Why are you want to move here,You don't have any contacts or know any thing about China,Can you find a job in Bangkok instead.



Fast eddie 48

Fast Eddie 48
05-20-08, 23:30
Cts bus just added service to Zhu hai form Hui mei hotel twice a day starting on may-8 cost 65 rmb one way, I take the bus from Zhu hai to cp last week take about 2.30 min.

Hui mei to Zhu hai gonbei border
8.45 am
3.55 pm

Zhu hai to hui mei
11.55 am
7 .00 pm

Fast eddie 48

Naisia
05-21-08, 02:32
First I would like to thanks all the members who gave and shared so much valuable information on this board without it I would not have reach CP and find the whereabouts!

When I arrived in CP, I took a room in Hui hua hotel. From my room I have a good view at the hui mei and lucky hotel. But too bad it was raining. My first meal was at the mcdonald just across the street from hui hua. Ok the burger tasted exactly the same but the fries wasn't crispy enough. Haha. I was just curious to try a Chinese mcdonald.

I went to look for some of the mamasan around hui mei and lucky hotel. But no luck. It was 7pm. It was raining hard, my clothes was all wet even with my umbrella. I walked to the lion hotel/KTV then turn back. But suddenly on my way back to the hotel on the corner of hui mei hotel, a lady approached me and asked me if I wanted xiaojie. With my brocken putonghua, I said yes and follow her to the back alley of hui mei hotel. I followed her inside a small store then throught a door. It was a small room with around 8 girls. The mamasan pushed a few of her girls on me showing me their assets (Sorry that make me laugh) I was not interested with the girls that she pushed over to me. But there was 2 girls who sit quietly. One is a really cute petite girl with really white skin and the others is a taller chick with a darker skin. How I can described them? Like the petite girl is the kind of really cute girl next door and the other is more like the kind of hot party girl. I could not decide which one to take out.

But the cute one look likes a taiwanese singer that I forgot the name. Sorry. So I took her.

Name: Nini from sichuan province
Look: 8..really pretty face..with those big eyes looking at me
body: 8,5..she is really petite like around 5'0 and 85lbs with a nice pair of B cup, really smooth skin
Service: 9 ( BBJ: she really knows how where to apply the pressure and use her tongue ..and hardworking blowing me non-stop until i told her to stop ) i didn't try DATY on her ,i'm not really into that.
GFE experience: 8 ..cuddling, hugging me all night ,showering together, no rushing..BUt she didn't want to DFK just some light FK..

So it was my first experience in CP, i could say that I had a good night with her.

( to be continued)

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Is350
05-21-08, 02:58
On my last trip to CP I was by myself for a few days so I ended up going to the bar area that you're talking about at Jia Yi since a KTV for myself would have been a little silly. Before I got to go pick a girl, I had to go to the bar area first, grab a seat and pay the waiter guy 100RMB as a deposit of sorts to make sure I come back to the bar. You have to spend a minimum of 45RMB on drinks or whatever if you decide to stay at the bar. After I gave the waiter the 100RMB, I was ushered off to pick a girl in the main hall. After I picked her, we went back to the bar area, where I was given my 100RMB back and I just hung out there with the girl for a a few hours talking and watching the show. The show itself wasn't half bad for something to pass the time.

On weekdays you have to stay with the girl there until 9:00PM or you have to pay 100RMB to take her home early. On Fridays and Saturdays, you can leave at 8:00PM without paying the 100RMB early take home fee. I'm pretty sure Sundays were counted as weekdays for this purpose. They basically want you to stay at the bar and spend some money on drinks and food, etc, before leaving with the girl. You're not pressured to buy anything though while you're sitting there. The waiter that was waiting on us was really chatty and was really curious about Canada so he seemed to be at my table half the time chatting it up. I didn't mind though.


In my haste to post I forgot another important program available at Taoyuan quite suitable for non-Mandarin speaking punters on the prowl. The recreation centre has a live performance area with tables and bar.

From what I saw the performance is not much chop but according to my girls after 21:45 any unallocated girls are paraded and peddled by mummies to buyers in that area for a 5-8 option.

Apparently the KTV normally charges a fee if you take a girl out or elect to have girl company during the performance before the cut off time, however after that time there is no extra cost and the total outlay is entirely between you and the girl.

The downside is you pick from the slops but that's not a problem because there is a lot left over and from what I saw plenty of diamonds in the rough but regardless this is a great option for punters not big on the singing scene or without a wingman / local speaking guide.

Anyway my advice if you select this option, is around 22:00 position yourself at the bar near the main thoroughfare for a perfect 'firing' position ;).

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SE Asia Joe
05-21-08, 05:07
BKK212,

Shantou is located on north west Guangzhou near the coast,
Fast Eddie 48OHMIGAWD Eddie - you're already showing signs of "withdrawal symptoms" after being such a short period time back in the Good Ole US of A! You cain't tell right from left or wrong or east from west.

Shantou is North EAST of Guangzhou and in NE GD province.

Time to plan your return trip to the Middle Kingdom - QUICK before you get any worse!!

SEAJ
ps. And just in case anybody has any doubts - YES, this post is suppossed to be humourous and is NOT a flame on Eddie - or anyone else!! Right Eddie?

Fast Eddie 48
05-21-08, 06:01
OHMIGAWD Eddie - you're already showing signs of "withdrawal symptoms" after being such a short period time back in the Good Ole US of A! You cain't tell right from left or wrong or east from west.

Shantou is North EAST of Guangzhou and in NE GD province.

Time to plan your return trip to the Middle Kingdom - QUICK before you get any worse!!

SEAJ

PS. And just in case anybody has any doubts - YES, this post is suppossed to be humourous and is NOT a flame on Eddie - or anyone else!! Right Eddie?Joe,

I think it is the jet lag and thank for the correction will be back in China before you know it.

Fast eddie 48

Transporter
05-21-08, 09:19
Going to Shantou tomorrow.
I'll try and post if I find anything worth it.
Will have to be when I return, as I don't can't seem to find anyplace with internet connection.
If anyone knows of a Hotel with internet, let me know.

Thanks

Porter

Naisia
05-21-08, 14:53
Anyone wants to go to jia yi KTV tomorrow night? (May 22)

I'm looking for some wingman! LOL.

I'm open to any other suggestion of KTV too. But my first option is jia yi because of the lineup!

Pm me if you are interested!

Humsup
05-21-08, 17:08
Thanks for the priceless info especially the take home times. I'm based in GZ so will take it on board on my next solo mission to CP, say this weekend :rolleyes:.

I guess you can work it the other way and select a girl from the hall and take/send her to the bar. I also suppose KTV girl fees apply so if you don't like the girl you still pay 200. Either way I'll still select two ;).

HSL


On my last trip to CP I was by myself for a few days so I ended up going to the bar area that you're talking about at Jia Yi since a KTV for myself would have been a little silly. Before I got to go pick a girl, I had to go to the bar area first, grab a seat and pay the waiter guy 100RMB as a deposit of sorts to make sure I come back to the bar. You have to spend a minimum of 45RMB on drinks or whatever if you decide to stay at the bar. After I gave the waiter the 100RMB, I was ushered off to pick a girl in the main hall. After I picked her, we went back to the bar area, where I was given my 100RMB back and I just hung out there with the girl for a a few hours talking and watching the show. The show itself wasn't half bad for something to pass the time.

On weekdays you have to stay with the girl there until 9:00PM or you have to pay 100RMB to take her home early. On Fridays and Saturdays, you can leave at 8:00PM without paying the 100RMB early take home fee. I'm pretty sure Sundays were counted as weekdays for this purpose. They basically want you to stay at the bar and spend some money on drinks and food, etc, before leaving with the girl. You're not pressured to buy anything though while you're sitting there. The waiter that was waiting on us was really chatty and was really curious about Canada so he seemed to be at my table half the time chatting it up. I didn't mind though.

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Ditto88
05-21-08, 20:50
You could try the Shantou International Hotel at below address. If i remember correctly, the rate is RMB 289 with internet but you gotta tell counter you need room with internet.

No 52. Jin Sha Lu,
Shantou, China 515041
Tel : 754 825 1212
www.stih.com

Dead town in terms of Mongering. Could only locate 4 KTVs + an area of Pubs. Maybe you might be lucky. Nowadays, it is a 1 day trip. First flight into Shantou and Last flight back to Guangzhou.

Good Luck


Going to Shantou tomorrow.
I'll try and post if I find anything worth it.
Will have to be when I return, as I don't can't seem to find anyplace with internet connection.
If anyone knows of a Hotel with internet, let me know.

Thanks

Porter

Is350
05-22-08, 01:19
Yep, the same KTV girl price structure applies in this case. But it's still a decent option if you're going solo.


Thanks for the priceless info especially the take home times. I'm based in GZ so will take it on board on my next solo mission to CP, say this weekend :rolleyes:.

I guess you can work it the other way and select a girl from the hall and take/send her to the bar. I also suppose KTV girl fees apply so if you don't like the girl you still pay 200. Either way I'll still select two ;).

HSL

Naisia
05-22-08, 03:29
My second day in CP began with a stomachach. Last night, the sichuan cutie bought some sichuan noodles and pancakes on her way to my room. It was delicious but really really spicy! My lips and my stomach was burning! I'm not used to that kind of spicy foods.

I didn't want to spent the night alone so around 6pm I went out again to hui mei hotel. But it was raining a lot. When I passed in front of the Chinese restaurant after the miraton 711, a lady approached me and asked me if I wanted some girls. But she didn't have any line ups to show me. She said that she will led the girl to my room. I was a little lazy to walk to search for some others mamasan and the weather wasn't good. I'm not really lucky to be in CP at this time. The sichuan earthquake made the Chinese officials close KTV for 3 days and the poor weather in CP.

After 30 minutes, she showed me 5 girls in my room. Okay at that time I wasn't feeling really well my back hurt, I didn't have a good night of sleep because of the sichuan cutie. So I chose one of her girl from hubei for a ST. I didn't consider the others because they weren't not really pretty. I'm not that picky but I could rate them like at best 6.

My girl

Name: xiao. (sorry I did'nt really catch her name.) Look: a good 7, 5 (she is not the prettiest girl but a cute girl) body: 8. 5 (really smooth skin and milky, perky natural breast, not really tall around 5'2) service: 6. 5 (one of the worst BJ I got she wasn't sucking my didi but litteraly bitting with her teeth LOL. She was lazy she wasn't moving at all during cowgirl position. I have to do all the work. GRRR)

Overall: not a repeat the only positive thing is that she was really tight.

After this bad "sex", I went to the hui hua massage place at the 4th floor. A manager welcomed me, she asked me if I want a full service but I'm not in shape. I only wanted a legit massage. She explained to me that at Hui hua the service is like that:

250: room rate 300: full service 500: full service with a model

And if you choose a legit massage it cost 250RMB + a tip to the girl. The room is big with a shower a big king bed and a massage table.

The massage girl was fully professional not extra service. But after the massage, I was sleeping like a little baby.

To be continued.

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Naisia
05-22-08, 06:12
Third night in CP

I was looking for something to eat before mongering. So I end up at the mengzhiyuen, a yunnan restaurant I think. It's near the lucky hotel. The food is delicious and cheap around 15-20RMB.

I decided to try out some of the girls at Yalan BBS around 7pm, so I call a van. He doesn't understand when I said to him Yalan or silver hotel (I spoke cantonese to him). Another van driver came and he told me he could drive me there. I asked the driver if there is a lot of xiaojie available? And he told me that because of the 3 days of mourning the karaoke is closed, so many of the Hong Kong mongerers are looking for xiaojie too. He told me that he knows some mamasan with plenty of good talents. I asked him if is it near. He said yes. So he droved me there. We stopped near a back of building, small dark alleys with noone around. Ok, at that time I was a little worry that this guy is up to something. I should have think twice before!

Suddenly, a middle age lady open the door of the van. And she asked me is I want xiaojie. I was relieved. She guided me to a door then a big room. There was 15 girls sitting and 2 mamasan and 1 papasan. The 3 was surrounding me and introducing me their girls. I was overwhelmed. It was pretty funny looking at those 3 fighting for a potential client. There was some pretty girls but the driver told me that he knew another place. So I wanted to see another place before but that papasan was really annoying he was blocking me and telling me that if I go away some others customers would come and pick all his girls. I'm not an idiot if it's true why there is so many girls sitting around. He was pushing his girls to me telling them to hug me. I was pretty annoyed by that. So I decided to go. But two girl just arrived. One was a pretty tall chick (at least a 9 for her looks) but not a natural she had too much makeup. The other has no makeup on her, she was more of a natural beauty, but with a really big breast C cup.

Who do you think I took?

I couldn't resist on the C cup. Hahaha.

Name: xiao Nim (I'm not sure of the spelling of her name because my mandarin is not good) Looks: 8. 5 (another sichuan girl, she looks like zhao wei a mainland actress. And her teeth could be whiter. She is a smoker.)

Body: 9 (all night I was sucking on those big natural Breast. What could I tell more. Nice body: no fat, smooth skin, she has a tatoo on her lower back)

SERvice: 9 (BJ, cowgirl, doggie, mish, etc. She was willing to do everthing but I didn't try DATY) GFE experience: 8 (what else is better than a little quick morning fuck. LOL. I didn't give her a higher score because she was accomodating but more of a professional way and she was not really into DFK. And she was kicking me when she was sleeping. LOL. Hehe)

Overall: a good night spent. I like CP! (If you guys want the number of the mamasan just pm me)

(to be continued.)

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Transporter
05-22-08, 07:42
Being in china, rules change every day, from person to person, but this pass weekend we decided to hit the bar since we had reservations at another KTV. The information we got from the girls is that everyone is required to spend the 45 RMB minimum (girls and guys). You can buy a drink, or food, or whatever you want. The fines are 100 RMB before 08:30; 50 RMB 08:31-11:00; and none after 11. However the fee does not affect us, as it is the girls who get fined. So as far as I know there is no such thing as a bar fine.

Porter


On my last trip to CP I was by myself for a few days so I ended up going to the bar area that you're talking about at Jia Yi since a KTV for myself would have been a little silly. Before I got to go pick a girl, I had to go to the bar area first, grab a seat and pay the waiter guy 100RMB as a deposit of sorts to make sure I come back to the bar. You have to spend a minimum of 45RMB on drinks or whatever if you decide to stay at the bar. After I gave the waiter the 100RMB, I was ushered off to pick a girl in the main hall. After I picked her, we went back to the bar area, where I was given my 100RMB back and I just hung out there with the girl for a a few hours talking and watching the show. The show itself wasn't half bad for something to pass the time.

On weekdays you have to stay with the girl there until 9:00PM or you have to pay 100RMB to take her home early. On Fridays and Saturdays, you can leave at 8:00PM without paying the 100RMB early take home fee. I'm pretty sure Sundays were counted as weekdays for this purpose. They basically want you to stay at the bar and spend some money on drinks and food, etc, before leaving with the girl. You're not pressured to buy anything though while you're sitting there. The waiter that was waiting on us was really chatty and was really curious about Canada so he seemed to be at my table half the time chatting it up. I didn't mind though.

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Waterfish7788
05-22-08, 08:26
Hi all,

Need some help to clarify on the KTV charges? When ones mention 2-5-8, it normally means RMB 200 for sitting with you all night in the KTV until it close or ones leaving. RMB 500 for one shot with the gal and RMB 800 for whole night with the gal.

Let’s say ones op for LT which is RMB 800, do I still need to pay the RMB 200 sitting fee? This makes it RMB 1000 for when you step into the KTV until the gal leave the next morning. Just try to clarify so that one would not overpay.

Normally until what time does the gal will stay till the next morning?

Thanks

Waterfish

Wadman
05-22-08, 08:56
At TaoYuan/JiaYi you required to buy each girl a ladydrink for 45 rmb. Most of the time they don't even bring the drink, they just charge it. This is the same regardless of whether you have a private room or sit in the main area. I am not aware of a 100/50 rmb "barfine". There should be no other costs to take a girl out. Booking with a mommy/manager (even if you just want to sit in main area) probably helps.

Actually, booking always helps as everyone (mommy/manager/DJ/foot massage girl) seems to have a monthly booking quota. So if you help them out, they will treat you nicer.




Being in china, rules change every day, from person to person, but this pass weekend we decided to hit the bar since we had reservations at another KTV. The information we got from the girls is that everyone is required to spend the 45 RMB minimum (girls and guys). You can buy a drink, or food, or whatever you want. The fines are 100 RMB before 08:30; 50 RMB 08:31-11:00; and none after 11. However the fee does not affect us, as it is the girls who get fined. So as far as I know there is no such thing as a bar fine.

Porter

Transporter
05-22-08, 09:50
Like I said in the last sentence, there is no such thing as a barfine, because it does not affect us. The fine is for the girl, and not our concern.
It does not matter if you book a room, or sit at the bar it is exactly the same thing, there is a 45 RMB minimum, and there are penalties for leaving early. Maybe no one noticed it because the girls didn't say anything, but trust me, they will get fined.

Porter


At TaoYuan/JiaYi you required to buy each girl a ladydrink for 45 rmb. Most of the time they don't even bring the drink, they just charge it. This is the same regardless of whether you have a private room or sit in the main area. I am not aware of a 100/50 rmb "barfine". There should be no other costs to take a girl out. Booking with a mommy/manager (even if you just want to sit in main area) probably helps.

Actually, booking always helps as everyone (mommy/manager/DJ/foot massage girl) seems to have a monthly booking quota. So if you help them out, they will treat you nicer.

SE Asia Joe
05-22-08, 11:18
Like I said in the last sentence, there is no such thing as a barfine, because it does not affect us. The fine is for the girl, and not our concern.
It does not matter if you book a room, or sit at the bar it is exactly the same thing, there is a 45 RMB minimum, and there are penalties for leaving early. Maybe no one noticed it because the girls didn't say anything, but trust me, they will get fined.

Porter

Perhaps just a matter of semantics ..... PI/LOS vs PRC.
Barfine, to me anyways, is the term used and popularly practiced in PI/LOS.
Bar fine per se does NOt exist in PRC (oh exceptin the rip off bars at Lockhart Rd. in HKG)
SEAJ

Old Mean Dog
05-22-08, 14:57
I noticed last night, across the street from the New Century Hotel, on Langbai St?, there is a shop about halfway down the road, that appears to be a BBS. Might front as a "rub and tug", but I did see a guy taking a girl from there.

-CPE

BTW: There is a nice, new sushi restaurant to replace the Sushi Aqua, it's past the Mito Cafe, at the intersection where the infamous ISG Hunan Restaurant is.

Tulip777
05-22-08, 14:58
My second day in CP began with a stomachach. Last night, the sichuan cutie bought some sichuan noodles and pancakes on her way to my room. It was delicious but really really spicy! My lips and my stomach was burning! I'm not used to that kind of spicy foods.

I didn't want to spent the night alone so around 6pm I went out again to hui mei hotel. But it was raining a lot. When I passed in front of the Chinese restaurant after the miraton 711, a lady approached me and asked me if I wanted some girls. But she didn't have any line ups to show me. She said that she will led the girl to my room. I was a little lazy to walk to search for some others mamasan and the weather wasn't good. I'm not really lucky to be in CP at this time. The sichuan earthquake made the Chinese officials close KTV for 3 days and the poor weather in CP.

After 30 minutes, she showed me 5 girls in my room. Okay at that time I wasn't feeling really well my back hurt, I didn't have a good night of sleep because of the sichuan cutie. So I chose one of her girl from hubei for a ST. I didn't consider the others because they weren't not really pretty. I'm not that picky but I could rate them like at best 6.

My girl

Name: xiao. (sorry I did'nt really catch her name.) Look: a good 7, 5 (she is not the prettiest girl but a cute girl) body: 8. 5 (really smooth skin and milky, perky natural breast, not really tall around 5'2) service: 6. 5 (one of the worst BJ I got she wasn't sucking my didi but litteraly bitting with her teeth LOL. She was lazy she wasn't moving at all during cowgirl position. I have to do all the work. GRRR)

Overall: not a repeat the only positive thing is that she was really tight.

After this bad "sex", I went to the hui hua massage place at the 4th floor. A manager welcomed me, she asked me if I want a full service but I'm not in shape. I only wanted a legit massage. She explained to me that at Hui hua the service is like that:

250: room rate 300: full service 500: full service with a model

And if you choose a legit massage it cost 250RMB + a tip to the girl. The room is big with a shower a big king bed and a massage table.

The massage girl was fully professional not extra service. But after the massage, I was sleeping like a little baby.

To be continued.

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Hi Naisia. No need to spend 250rmb for a massage in Hui Hua. Just cross the street from Miraton and there is a great massage place. You can get a great legit massage for well under 100rmb. Ask for #126. If you want a good foot massage go to level 2B inside Hui Hua. #191 is great. I'm staying in Hui Hua now, after a trip to PI and 6 nights in Zhuhai. Spent 5 nights in Miraton 2 weeks ago. Going home in 5 days. Not going out tonight as my GFE gets off work at 11:00. Took me to her room where I met her mom. Did KTV solo 2 weeks ago and didn't like it. Saunas are great (I like the one in Virgin hotel) but 50% of the time they try to get away with too many things, as far as service is concerned, if they see you are not a local. And miraculously the 238rmb room becomes 258 or even 278. I prefer semi-amateurs and sometimes somewhat older women for a variety. Lots of Asian American bros on the street speaking English. Everything reopens tonight. You wouldn't want someone who stands out and doesn't speak Chinese as a wingman anyway, not in CP. I find CP to be a perfect place to go solo.

Transporter
05-22-08, 15:50
If it is the "flower street" that you are looking for, there is one larger KTV line up than Tao Yuen.



Anyone wants to go to jia yi KTV tomorrow night? (May 22)

I'm looking for some wingman! LOL.

I'm open to any other suggestion of KTV too. But my first option is jia yi because of the lineup!

Pm me if you are interested!

Jettsetter
05-22-08, 21:30
Like I said in the last sentence, there is no such thing as a barfine, because it does not affect us. The fine is for the girl, and not our concern.
It does not matter if you book a room, or sit at the bar it is exactly the same thing, there is a 45 RMB minimum, and there are penalties for leaving early. Maybe no one noticed it because the girls didn't say anything, but trust me, they will get fined.

Porter

Each girls is supposed to order a drink on your tab, but small things to eat count towards it as well. i.e. they have their own menu to choose from with little snacks. It's part of the game, part of the overall fee and package and goes towards your room minimum.

Frankly speaking, KTV is not the cheapest option. It is the high end of mongering in China. If you go check out Shanghai, Zuhai, etc... the take out rates are close to double what they are in Dong Guan.

While I understand that this hobby is for folks not to get ripped off, the Chinese, use these grounds as a place to build relationships and do business. The costs involved are not as much of a concern to them, because it's considered a business expense.

With that being said, while i agree you should alwasy watch the bill and pay for what you actually order, there are lots of costs that are just part of the game to play in that arena. If you're not fine with it, or want to be cheap about it, then go play somewhere else. For an establishment like Jia Yi, on an average Fri/Sat night, they could do fine without your business. In fact, getting a room in the first place can be a challenge.

The 45 RMB to pay for some food, is a small price to pay for what you are getting in return (at least in that arena). If cheaper options is what you're looking for, then go to the BBS', get an allnighter for 500 and save your drinking money by going to a regular bar or a restaurant (or better yet, buy liqour from a store, and have your own room party).

Unfortunately KTV's aren't for the stingy. They're damn expensive, but for what you get, a private room, two servants at your beck and call and food/drinks with some of the hottest girls who will let you do whatever you want to them and treat you like you're the king, there is no place like it in the world.

And trust me when I say that of the places in China, Dong Guan, as far as I've seen and discussed with some old school chinese mongers who have been around, it remains one of the cheapest places for that quality around.

My point being, you have to pay to play with the big dogs... if you're not willing to fork that kind of dough, then you shouldn't play in that league.


P.S. as a side note, the managers and mommies all have quotas.. the girls don't really have a quota from the company, but perhaps the mommy offers them a quota (usually once per month) to book a room, just because the mommy has to book at least 20 rooms per month. Often times, the mommies/managers will literally fight for a room on a given Sat./Sun.

I personally know the booking manager for Jia Yi, and some managers over at Hui Hua... so getting the right room on any night usually isn't a problem. The advantage for booking through a higher up is the comps... usually they'll gift you some food... our manager has gotten to the point where he's comping us beers at the end of the night... that's something new.

-Jettsetter (having withdrawals after being back to the States now for 3 days.. ugh).

Dan Hawaii
05-23-08, 01:53
Like I said before, all the little cheap things add up in CP. My friends and I usually end up spending $300+ a day, everyday, in CP. I must say that it is cheap, but all those cheap things add up:

In USD:
45 hotel
20 meals
30 bbs
10 footie
80 sauna
60-100 ktv party
80-110 for ktv girl
Total cost = $350 usd
Satisfaction to party like a rock star = priceless.

We splurge like that because we are on vacation and it is takes lots planning (making up reasons to wify, children, and bosses), lots of travel time (about 22 hours) and money ($1000 usd) to travel there. Minus well party hard cause we have a time restraint, some got to get back to jobs, and others to wifys and children. If I did not have a time restraint, I would take my time to smell the roses and split up the activities in to several days. Costs per day will probably drop down to 300 per day ;) hahaha. On a serious note, yeah the ktvs are expensive, but theres no other place I'd rather be on a night in CP. I'm like a moth to a flame. I know I'm going to get burned but I'm lured in a trance to those beautiful women. Hell, I don't even sing, but I love those damn drinking games, not to mention the private after party with the pick of the litter.

Anyways, the Jia Yi 45 rmb per girl is for real. Just order little snacks instead of drinks, then everyone can enjoy them. They are damn spicy and salty so everybody needs to take a swig of beer to down those puppys.

Maybe back in CP in early August with 3 regulars and 1 newbie, anything bad happening at that time?

And no, SEAJ, I'm not a BSD. ;)

SE Asia Joe
05-23-08, 04:39
Like I said before, all the little cheap things add up in CP. My friends and I usually end up spending $300+ a day, everyday, in CP. I must say that it is cheap, but all those cheap things add up:

And no, SEAJ, I'm not a BSD. ;)
And I still say you ARE a BSD - Big Sex Demon!

A daily BBS gal, a daily sauna gal PLUS a LT KTV gal every single day for (2 pops minimum???) - for what - a whole week? That's what you guys get up to when you get to CP!!

Hell that works out to a minimum of 28 pops in a week - PLUS all that drinkin' and carrousin' You guys are going to blow your gaskets!! Especially since it does get brittle with the little use of your engines when you're back home!

Hmmmmm.... wonder when the headlines in the CP dailies will read:

"Furrener found incoherent and drained of all bodily fluids -
Illicit sperm collectors suspected."

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
05-23-08, 04:45
Frankly speaking, KTV is not the cheapest option. It is the high end of mongering in China. If you go check out Shanghai, Zuhai, etc... the take out rates are close to double what they are in Dong Guan.

While I understand that this hobby is for folks not to get ripped off, the Chinese, use these grounds as a place to build relationships and do business. The costs involved are not as much of a concern to them, because it's considered a business expense.



Good thing to remember for all these BSD's or those who think they're BSD's here.

When I'm out with the locals, there's nothing of this AA or sharing the costs etc. It's always a big shot or someone who wants to get to the big shot who would pay the total bill. And the total bill would be for everything - and on a few occassions - even including the LT costs AND a key to a gratis top of the line room upstairs.

And as Jetsetter says - its a helluva lot more in Beijing, Shanghai and.... horror... Hong Kong! so enjoy DGG and......

IMHO/Paix

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
05-23-08, 04:56
In USD:

We splurge And no, SEAJ, I'm not a BSD. ;)

45 hotel= RMB315 - you can get cheaper rooms than THIS!!
20 meals = RMB 140 - eat the free breakfast and pay RMB 30 for full course meals at Mito's and alike.
30 bbs - RMB 210 - For Crissakes - go to the Hui Mei alley and the night market for 150 sometimes!
10 footie = RMB 70 = must be 2 sessions at least
80 sauna = RMB 560 - Ooooooooh nice!!
60-100 ktv party = RMB 420-700: You ARE a BSD!!! And stop drinking like Jerry cans - be a Toucan - you'll enjoy the 'after-services' better!!
80-110 for ktv girl = RMB 560 - 770. too much for ST and too little for LT
Total cost = $350 usd
Satisfaction to party like a rock star = priceless.= YEAH YEAH YEAH


Paix and salutations.

SEAJ

Wadman
05-23-08, 05:21
60-100 ktv party = RMB 420-700: You ARE a BSD!!! And stop drinking like Jerry cans - be a Toucan - you'll enjoy the 'after-services' better!!


That's where you are wrong, Joe. With a dozen beers in you, you can last much, much longer. And vitamin V will keep you hard. You can drill the girl forever. Sometimes to the point where I feel sorry for her.

SE Asia Joe
05-23-08, 05:24
That's where you are wrong, Joe. With a dozen beers in you, you can last much, much longer. And vitamin V will keep you hard. You can drill the girl forever. Sometimes to the point where I feel sorry for her.

Quantity over quality!

Besides which - I last long enough thank you very much!!

What - you got problems on keepin' it nice and hard?

Oh sorry!

Toucan

SE Asia Joe
05-23-08, 05:30
That's where you are wrong, Joe. With a dozen beers in you, you can last much, much longer. And vitamin V will keep you hard. You can drill the girl forever. Sometimes to the point where I feel sorry for her.
PERHAPS you're right!

The last time I downed a dozen or so beers was in Foshan when I ended up pleasuring a mommie. I was going at it for so long that when I came, I followed it immediately with pissing and pissing and more [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) - when I was still IN her!!

Grabbed the neck of the bag and let 'er rip and it was truly amazing how much I pissed. Not only did it amaze myself as I never knew one could do that (and certainly ain't never been able to do it again - yet) but it truly amazed Mommie who thought I was ..... amazing!!! Hahaha


Toucan

Wadman
05-23-08, 05:31
Quantity over quality!
Besides which - I last long enough thank you very much!!

But that's due to another reason...old well that's drying up...hahaha



What - you got problems on keepin' it nice and hard?

Too much beer, and you will find out that it's tough keeping little brother at attention.

Fast Eddie 48
05-23-08, 06:33
Like I said before, all the little cheap things add up in CP. My friends and I usually end up spending $300+ a day, everyday, in CP. I must say that it is cheap, but all those cheap things add up:

In USD:
45 hotel
20 meals
30 bbs
10 footie
80 sauna
60-100 ktv party
80-110 for ktv girl
Total cost = $350 usd
Satisfaction to party like a rock star = priceless.

We splurge like that because we are on vacation and it is takes lots planning (making up reasons to wify, children, and bosses), lots of travel time (about 22 hours) and money ($1000 usd) to travel there. Minus well party hard cause we have a time restraint, some got to get back to jobs, and others to wifys and children. If I did not have a time restraint, I would take my time to smell the roses and split up the activities in to several days. Costs per day will probably drop down to 300 per day ;) hahaha. On a serious note, yeah the ktvs are expensive, but theres no other place I'd rather be on a night in CP. I'm like a moth to a flame. I know I'm going to get burned but I'm lured in a trance to those beautiful women. Hell, I don't even sing, but I love those damn drinking games, not to mention the private after party with the pick of the litter.

Anyways, the Jia Yi 45 rmb per girl is for real. Just order little snacks instead of drinks, then everyone can enjoy them. They are damn spicy and salty so everybody needs to take a swig of beer to down those puppys.

Maybe back in CP in early August with 3 regulars and 1 newbie, anything bad happening at that time?

And no, SEAJ, I'm not a BSD. ;)Dan Hawaili,

BSD may be not overpaid yes you are ,you like to splurge on yourself but yet you try to but my gold at half the market price .

Damn you,

Fast eddie 48

Dan Hawaii
05-23-08, 11:49
Good thing to remember for all these BSD's or those who think they're BSD's here.

When I'm out with the locals, there's nothing of this AA or sharing the costs etc. It's always a big shot or someone who wants to get to the big shot who would pay the total bill. And the total bill would be for everything - and on a few occassions - even including the LT costs AND a key to a gratis top of the line room upstairs.

And as Jetsetter says - its a helluva lot more in Beijing, Shanghai and.... horror... Hong Kong! so enjoy DGG and......

IMHO/Paix

SEAJ
In Vietnam, its the same deal with a pack of friends, someone pays for everything, they never split the bill. However, they always go out and the next time around, someone else pays for everything. That is the way they play, some single person pays for everything. I don't like that way, because you lose track and some nights it's more expensive than other nights. That's the asian style, to show face and get some respect.

Dan Hawaii
05-23-08, 11:53
And I still say you ARE a BSD - Big Sex Demon!

A daily BBS gal, a daily sauna gal PLUS a LT KTV gal every single day for (2 pops minimum???) - for what - a whole week? That's what you guys get up to when you get to CP!!

Hell that works out to a minimum of 28 pops in a week - PLUS all that drinkin' and carrousin' You guys are going to blow your gaskets!! Especially since it does get brittle with the little use of your engines when you're back home!

Hmmmmm.... wonder when the headlines in the CP dailies will read:

"Furrener found incoherent and drained of all bodily fluids -
Illicit sperm collectors suspected."

SEAJ
Hahaha, lucky bugga, I don't live next door like you, time is of the essence for me. My vacatoin is stressful, rushing all the time, trying to find the hottest girl with the best service. Then you found a great one and take her for 2 or 3 days, then you get tired of her. Then you try to find a new and better one, and another one and another one.....it's like a never ending madhouse of a story for me. I need a vacation from my vacation, hahaha....

You're making 1st nation salary and living next door to CP. Damn, I tell you, I live in paradise, but I feel Toucan lives in a much more better place;).

Dan Hawaii
05-23-08, 12:07
45 hotel= RMB315 - you can get cheaper rooms than THIS!!
20 meals = RMB 140 - eat the free breakfast and pay RMB 30 for full course meals at Mito's and alike.
30 bbs - RMB 210 - For Crissakes - go to the Hui Mei alley and the night market for 150 sometimes!
10 footie = RMB 70 = must be 2 sessions at least
80 sauna = RMB 560 - Ooooooooh nice!!
60-100 ktv party = RMB 420-700: You ARE a BSD!!! And stop drinking like Jerry cans - be a Toucan - you'll enjoy the 'after-services' better!!
80-110 for ktv girl = RMB 560 - 770. too much for ST and too little for LT
Total cost = $350 usd
Satisfaction to party like a rock star = priceless.= YEAH YEAH YEAH


Paix and salutations.

SEAJ
45 hotel= RMB315 - you can get cheaper rooms than THIS!!
...Like the Lion or Amazon, can I bunk in the Catacombs instead?
20 meals = RMB 140 - eat the free breakfast and pay RMB 30 for full course meals at Mito's and alike
.... Ate there a lot. Still full meal deals run at around $7 usd, unless you go for lunch time.
30 bbs - RMB 210 - For Crissakes - go to the Hui Mei alley and the night market for 150 sometimes!
... I do I do.
10 footie = RMB 70 = must be 2 sessions at least
... what else is there to do during the day?
80 sauna = RMB 560 - Ooooooooh nice!!
... Ditto
60-100 ktv party = RMB 420-700: You ARE a BSD!!! And stop drinking like Jerry cans - be a Toucan - you'll enjoy the 'after-services' better!!
...No worries, I got the little blue pill to make everyone happy.
80-110 for ktv girl = RMB 560 - 770. too much for ST and too little for LT
...You must be an accountant, geez., I was just pulling numbers from the top of my head. Damn pencil pusher. Hahaha, just kidding.

Dan Hawaii
05-23-08, 12:21
Too much beer, and you will find out that it's tough keeping little brother at attention.
Or is it that little brother had to work 21 times for the past 7 days. He's already coughed up a lung for you, he has no juice left. ;)

Dan Hawaii
05-23-08, 12:25
Dan Hawaili,

BSD may be not overpaid yes you are ,you like to splurge on yourself but yet you try to but my gold at half the market price .

Damn you,

Fast eddie 48
Damn, I wish I could get it for half the price, I'll really show toucan what a real BSD is all about. Hahaha. Nah, don't want to spoil the market.

Dan Hawaii
05-23-08, 12:27
What...... are you on about Eddie??
Just get your axx back down here...... FAST!
You're starting to rant. Withdrawal symptoms stage 2!!

SEAJ
I don't think so, I think he is in the middle of counting all his profits in one hand and typing with the other. Come on FE, you rich enough, let me have it for half of the market price, only $462 per oz. Come on man, I know you bought it at $250 an oz.... Okay, Okay, just to be fair, hows about 3/4 market price.

I'm the one with CP withdrawls and ranting away, been 90 day and counting. "CODE RED - CODE RED", Stage 999.

Alittle story about last trip. Went to CP for 14 days, then went to Phillipines for 7 days. On the day we landed in PI, I asked myself, "wtf are we doing in PI". "Things that make you go... hmmm?"..... Who cares if these brown little f%^*ing machines speak English. I dont want a relationship. Damn it!!!!.... I want a young, hot, beautiful, white silky milky skin F%^*ing machine.. that speaks martian.

OldAsiaHand
05-23-08, 15:09
Waterfish,

The 800 RMB is inclusive of the sitting fee. You need not pay more.

I almost never do LT unless I know the girl for awhile, but the departure time depends on the girl.

OAH



Hi all,

Need some help to clarify on the KTV charges? When ones mention 2-5-8, it normally means RMB 200 for sitting with you all night in the KTV until it close or ones leaving. RMB 500 for one shot with the gal and RMB 800 for whole night with the gal.

Let’s say ones op for LT which is RMB 800, do I still need to pay the RMB 200 sitting fee? This makes it RMB 1000 for when you step into the KTV until the gal leave the next morning. Just try to clarify so that one would not overpay.

Normally until what time does the gal will stay till the next morning?

Thanks

Waterfish

Fast Eddie 48
05-23-08, 16:52
I don't think so, I think he is in the middle of counting all his profits in one hand and typing with the other.come on FE, you rich enough, let me have it for half of the market price, only $462 per oz.come on man, I know you bought it at $250 an oz. Okay, Okay, just to be fair, hows about 3/4 market price.

I'm the one with CP withdrawls and ranting away, been 90 day and counting. "CODE RED. CODE RED", Stage 999.

Alittle story about last trip. Went to CP for 14 days, then went to Phillipines for 7 days. On the day we landed in PI, I asked myself, "wtf are we doing in PI". "Things that make you go. Hmmm? ". Who cares if these brown little f%*ing machines speak English. I don't want a relationship. Damn it! I want a young, hot, beautiful, white silky milky skin F%*ing machine. That speaks martian. Dan,

Hey $460 usd that alot of money do you know how many girl can you get at the catacomb ask Bill Lee he will tell you at $ 5 usd a pop you can do the whole village and the girl will give you extra crab and BB.

I told you that you don't like AC it is too low end for you big spender even for me again maybe Bill will like it a upgrade from the catacomb for him.

Fast Eddie 48

Dan Hawaii
05-23-08, 21:58
Hi all,

Need some help to clarify on the KTV charges? When ones mention 2-5-8, it normally means RMB 200 for sitting with you all night in the KTV until it close or ones leaving. RMB 500 for one shot with the gal and RMB 800 for whole night with the gal.

Let’s say ones op for LT which is RMB 800, do I still need to pay the RMB 200 sitting fee? This makes it RMB 1000 for when you step into the KTV until the gal leave the next morning. Just try to clarify so that one would not overpay.

Normally until what time does the gal will stay till the next morning?

Thanks

Waterfish
They usually try to leave early so they don't need to do the deed again in the morning. Usually by 9:30am, sometimes earlier and sometimes later. All girls are different, usually if they like you they don't scurry out the door.

Jettsetter
05-23-08, 22:53
In Vietnam, its the same deal with a pack of friends, someone pays for everything, they never split the bill. However, they always go out and the next time around, someone else pays for everything. That is the way they play, some single person pays for everything. I don't like that way, because you lose track and some nights it's more expensive than other nights. That's the asian style, to show face and get some respect.


We usually go out (5-6 of us) and one guy will pay for it that night, and we all get square at breakfast... it usually works out well, because the handing of money back and forth is seen in Chinese custom as a little embarrassing. So we let one guy cover the check that night (all of it) and he gets paid back at breakfast away from the wandering eyes of the girls...

In the Chinese way, it's not good to hand money back and forth in front of everyone... this way everyone is square... we do it every morning without fail, because doing it after a few days, gets WAY too confusing.

just a suggestion from my trips...

Jettsetter
05-23-08, 23:27
They usually try to leave early so they don't need to do the deed again in the morning. Usually by 9:30am, sometimes earlier and sometimes later. All girls are different, usually if they like you they don't scurry out the door.

As I said before, I'm pretty tight with the booking manager there and he gave me some rules regarding girls and how things work.

1. Time starts when?

The age old question of when your 10 minutes of free time with a girl and when it starts. Does it start when you first pick her from the lineup? Suppose you take 15 minutes to do your rounds on flower street, are you stuck with the girl? Well the answer is no. According to the manager, the time is supposed to start when you get the room. We had a few run-ins last time not to me but with some of my buddies. Since I'm the best chinese speaking one of our group, I made it simple, I stated my case, then said to call over the manager to deal with the situation. As soon as she heard that, she bolted.

Point is, when you're not satisfied, get a manager involved, try to explain your side, and they're usually fair. Case in point...

2. When does a girl deserve the 800 vs. 500?

My buddy took home a girl, did her then in the morning, after sleeping in, went down to eat (leaving her in the room) and came up for round number two. She refused, asserting that it was already 11 a.m. and that she had stayed past her time. Our point was that for 800 you get two rounds (maybe 3), but while she said she would have agreed if it was early enough, the fact that it was 11 gives her the right to collect 800 without service.

We called up the manager again and asked for his opinion and he asserts that this issue has come up before, and he said that as long as the chica stays past 10, that it was her right to get 8 without performing again. Now if it was before and she refused, then you have grounds, but the fact it was 11, was enough for him. I guess they decided they had to draw the line somewhere, which I understood. But I also asserted that the girl should have told my buddy of this. The manager felt bad, but said that it was the company policy. We paid her 8 and learned our lesson.

3. Must a girl tell you from the start that she won't go home with you?

This is a resounding Yes... They call this "quick flight" in chinese. Basically girls pull a thing where they sit with you to collect the 2, and then play the, (you have another girl, so why don't you let us go), or I don't feel well, let me go or even worse, I'm on my period bullshit. Well, this is not condoned by the KTV, and girls who perform this practice will get fined. My buddy got the "you got two girls, let me go", and we found out she went to sit in another room for another 200. We reported her and she was fined 1000 RMB. Not cool, not condoned...

Yet another girl was on her period and never told my friend. Granted, JY - girls who wear their tag in the middle means - no play... but my friend didn't know. JY's policy is you must state your inability from square one.

Most girls won't do it, because most customers won't complain. Frankly speaking, if a girl wants to play that, i wouldn't want to take them home anyways for fear of poor service. that's why the initial 10 minute interview is so crucial.

4. Tipping...

yes, the prices are 2-5-8... but honestly most guys often may give more. I currently have a regular gal who still works at the HH KTV, and she tells me how she only got 2 from the guy she was sitting with that night.. i said, "isn't that the going rate", but she asserts that she expected more for staying there so long and drinking... I disagreed with her asserting that if it's more, they should set the price more...

i frankly don't agree to give more unless I actually do them (i.e. 2-6-9 is usually my range of tipping if I get great service)... I usually tell the girl that if they're that good, I'll get them for an outing and she'll get her money's worth then. I'll usually get digits to set something up later in private.

5. Calling to Reserve...

now this is tricky. When you want to reserve a gal, be specific in your needs... often times if you reserve, they won't 'trade in their badges' to work.. basically that means that the least they're expecting is to be taken out. So if you want to reserve, let them know you want them to just sit with you for the 200, no more, and you'll decide later... if at all possible, tell them to still work, but just to come straight to your KTV room. We've made that mistake before and got stuck having to pay for more... it's understandable, but make things clear from the first meeting.

6. The Interview...

This is the most critical of all KTV times... My interview first asks if they're willing to go out.. I look at their reaction. Then I see how touchy feely they are... it's that vibe thing.. then I ask (if it's important) about themselves, and in private (whispering) - ask them about other details that may be important to you.. buyer be aware... so make sure you know what you're in store for... you can usually get a good vibe right away...

in my book, don't force the issue no matter how hot they are, because bad service is bad service.... nothing makes a night more horrible then bad service..

I've found girls that are younger tend to be more inexperienced... I want a girl to WANT to go, not just WILLING to go... so it's important I find out that distinction early. But to each his own.

Hope that gives some insight of what I learned from my experience through an insider's perspective at JY.

I also know what the mommies and managers make, and the club take, after talking to some of the folks over there.. I'll put that in another email... point is.. they're pulling in some nice cash revenues...

We're not even the big players... Even though we like to believe we are...

-Jettsetter

Wapec
05-24-08, 13:51
You're a bunch of fuckers and bugga's

Just been catching up on my weekly news roundup and realised that everybody but me has been having fun. Screw that for a lark !!!

WAPEC rides again ......... CP's side saddle expert :-)

PS: Did I say that I was suffering withdrawl symptom number 1,999 1/2

Wapec
05-24-08, 13:55
Now now children play nice. Best to keep things in hand that way time is on your side :-)

WAPEC rides again


Quantity over quality!

Besides which - I last long enough thank you very much!!

What - you got problems on keepin' it nice and hard?

Oh sorry!

Toucan

Waterfish7788
05-24-08, 14:08
Thanks OAH

The reason i ask this is because my friend told me on one occasion they got the girl for LT from the local BBS and then bring them to normal local Karaoke. This work out cheaper for them.

Thanks for the info

Waterfish

Playboy2000
05-24-08, 15:07
I know that this topic has been discussed before, but I have seen a few conflicting reports. Could someone please confirm that the following rules hold for most of the CP KTVs:

- 200 RMB for any girl that sits with you for the evening
- 500 or 800 RMB for a girl that goes to hotel with you (includes the 200 sitting fee)
- 200 to the DJ (shared among all the guys)
- 600-800 for room, food, alcohol for small-size room, shared among guys

That is it, right? Or are there any other mandatory fees? So if you are two guys with one DJ, each guy sits with two girls, but takes just one back to the hotel room for the night, the total cost per person should be:

- 500 RMB max for room+food+drinks+DJ
- 1000 RMB fo girls

for a total of 1500 RMB (about US$210) plus any tips one might give.

Moody
05-24-08, 16:35
I know that this topic has been discussed before, but I have seen a few conflicting reports. Could someone please confirm that the following rules hold for most of the CP KTVs:

- 200 RMB for any girl that sits with you for the evening
- 500 or 800 RMB for a girl that goes to hotel with you (includes the 200 sitting fee)
- 200 to the DJ (shared among all the guys)
- 600-800 for room, food, alcohol for small-size room, shared among guys

That is it, right? Or are there any other mandatory fees? So if you are two guys with one DJ, each guy sits with two girls, but takes just one back to the hotel room for the night, the total cost per person should be:

- 500 RMB max for room+food+drinks+DJ
- 1000 RMB fo girls

for a total of 1500 RMB (about US$210) plus any tips one might give.

Sounds about right. Room tab will of course depend on how much you and your friend(s) drink and eat. Last night was with a group of heavy drinkers, six of us total. Drink bill came to 5200 plus 600 tips for three DJs.

Moody
05-24-08, 18:28
Maybe it's just me, but I try to get them out of my room by 8:00AM or before so never really encounter this kind of problem. One time a while back though in Chang An, a girl asked if she can leave around 9:00AM but I was dead tired that night after heavy drinking and lack of sleep the night before. I simply told her "no." She laid next to me until I woke up and poked her again sometime past 10:00. Being extremely worn out from the lack of sleep and booze, took a lot longer than normal. The girl didn't complain or anything, although the moaning, stifled screeching, and the back scratching was starting to get on my nerves. Told her to be quiet and stop scratching my back. Afterwards, took her out to get a bite to eat at the restaurant downstairs.


They usually try to leave early so they don't need to do the deed again in the morning. Usually by 9:30am, sometimes earlier and sometimes later. All girls are different, usually if they like you they don't scurry out the door.

Night Cat
05-24-08, 18:46
Some of you may remember some posts from Tightway which caused a bit of controversy. To some degree, he seemed like a sincere guy, but I had some trouble connecting some of what he was saying to reality, particularly the following:


I know for sure that many of those same beautiful girls who say they prefer ugly guys, are often literally fucking (it is not a joke) 3 to 7 "new" guys a week who they get to know over the internet or through other ways.

Almost every night or day they spent in someone elses bed and than they complain about that all the handsome guys are having so many girls.

Over several years in China, I've met all kinds of girls, but nothing like the above. I PM'ed Tightway asking for more detail on this (how he met the girls, their socio-economic backgrounds, what their real jobs are, etc.) and mysteriously did not get a response.

I know there are some of you who have spent years in China and have met all kinds of girls, and also have a fairly good idea what's really going on via Chinese male friends, etc. Can anyone confirm the above? If so, I'd be interested to know how to find these girls (or get phone numbers, etc.). All in the interest of thorough research, of course!

Transporter
05-24-08, 19:53
More or less (rules change all the time), however there is no "room fee" just a minimum that must be met. If there is no special thing going on in the room, then 2-5-8 applies to more the majority of the clubs (a lot of them now have step pricing). Sitting fee is always the first number, the second number is to hit it once (and it can be anywhere; in the room, on the balcony, in the bathroom, etc.). The last number is the overnight, every club have different times that the girls must stay until (many don't). I know this probably has been discussed many times before, but the only thing I want to get across, is that there is no room fee, just a minimum that must be met. For example a small room (5-6 people) will have a minimum of of 188, a medium room has a minimum of 388, a large room has a minimum of 688, and so on. As long as your consumption reaches the minimum there is no "room fee".

Note: if you cannot reach the minimum for some reason, you can always buy cigarettes, food, anything, even take a credit on future beverages.

Porter


I know that this topic has been discussed before, but I have seen a few conflicting reports. Could someone please confirm that the following rules hold for most of the CP KTVs:

- 200 RMB for any girl that sits with you for the evening
- 500 or 800 RMB for a girl that goes to hotel with you (includes the 200 sitting fee)
- 200 to the DJ (shared among all the guys)
- 600-800 for room, food, alcohol for small-size room, shared among guys

That is it, right? Or are there any other mandatory fees? So if you are two guys with one DJ, each guy sits with two girls, but takes just one back to the hotel room for the night, the total cost per person should be:

- 500 RMB max for room+food+drinks+DJ
- 1000 RMB fo girls

for a total of 1500 RMB (about US$210) plus any tips one might give.

Playboy2000
05-24-08, 22:10
Thanks for the info about the KTV fees. So I now understand - the proper terminology is "min consumption fee" and not "room fee".

I have another question for you guys. I live in US and am not at all familiar with Chinese music. I enjoy singing in KTVs, but often have difficulty finding western songs on the machine. So here are the questions:

(1) What types of western songs are available? Are there any particular western songs that the girls enjoy too?

(2) How do you operate the remote to get to these songs?

Also, I will be in Dongguan in early August. I hope some of you guys will be around for some KTVing, to share the party and cost!

Bull Dozer
05-25-08, 01:10
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because the subject was not related to the purpose of this Forum, which is as follows:

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex.

Fast Eddie 48
05-25-08, 01:29
Maybe it's just me, but I try to get them out of my room by 8:00AM or before so never really encounter this kind of problem. One time a while back though in Chang An, a girl asked if she can leave around 9:00AM but I was dead tired that night after heavy drinking and lack of sleep the night before. I simply told her "no." She laid next to me until I woke up and poked her again sometime past 10:00. Being extremely worn out from the lack of sleep and booze, took a lot longer than normal. The girl didn't complain or anything, although the moaning, stifled screeching, and the back scratching was starting to get on my nerves. Told her to be quiet and stop scratching my back. Afterwards, took her out to get a bite to eat at the restaurant downstairs.



to Moddy

Me and you have to work in China have to Get up early to attended trade show and visit customer or factory around Dongguan and Guangzhou.

Unlike someone like Dan who only goes to China for p4p can slept all day and play all night and count his gold when he get home.


fast eddie 48

Moody
05-25-08, 04:48
Thanks for the info about the KTV fees. So I now understand - the proper terminology is "min consumption fee" and not "room fee".

There's also a 10-15% service fee. If you pass a certain amount though, they usually give you a discount on that. If you're a bigtime regular customer, you can probably get up to 30% discount, but you really gotta go a lot to get that, probably spend around 30-50K every month. My friends and I like variety, so we'll never reach that at one place.


I have another question for you guys. I live in US and am not at all familiar with Chinese music. I enjoy singing in KTVs, but often have difficulty finding western songs on the machine. So here are the questions:

(1) What types of western songs are available? Are there any particular western songs that the girls enjoy too?

They have mostly oldies, probably in the neighborhood of about 2000 songs. Don't expect any top 40 songs from the last decade. And as for western songs girls like......... I almost cringe at the thought..... "Titanic" by Celine Dion.


(2) How do you operate the remote to get to these songs?

Just tell th DJ, that's what she's there for. Songs are usually in alphabetical order by song title. Once in the English songs menu, you press the "下" key for next page and the "上" key for previous page. You press a number key to select the song.


(Also, I will be in Dongguan in early August. I hope some of you guys will be around for some KTVing, to share the party and cost!

Have fun.

Wadman
05-25-08, 05:15
(1) What types of western songs are available? Are there any particular western songs that the girls enjoy too?


As Moody said, mostly older 80s and 90s tracks. Britney Spears and Michael Jackson are popular because the girls recognize their songs.




(2) How do you operate the remote to get to these songs?


Let the DJ handle the remote. The Mandarin for English songs = Ying1Yu3 Ge1 英语歌. Print this out on (to show to DJ) if you don't think you can remember it, or don't think you can pronounce it properly.

Wadman
05-25-08, 05:19
Maybe it's just me, but I try to get them out of my room by 8:00AM or before so never really encounter this kind of problem. One time a while back though in Chang An, a girl asked if she can leave around 9:00AM but I was dead tired that night after heavy drinking and lack of sleep the night before. I simply told her "no." She laid next to me until I woke up and poked her again sometime past 10:00. Being extremely worn out from the lack of sleep and booze, took a lot longer than normal. The girl didn't complain or anything, although the moaning, stifled screeching, and the back scratching was starting to get on my nerves. Told her to be quiet and stop scratching my back. Afterwards, took her out to get a bite to eat at the restaurant downstairs.

Was that the second girl of a double fly you did in CA? Such a pretty and delicate thing, and you told her to shut up, LOL.

Moody
05-25-08, 05:36
Never get the small room. Always get a size bigger than you think you need. Even with 2 people, when my friends and I go out, the bill invariably comes to 1000-1500 range if we get 2 girls each. I realize not everybody is like this, but 188 consumption is nothing, it's like four beers.

Moody
05-25-08, 05:40
Was that the second girl of a double fly you did in CA? Such a pretty and delicate thing, and you told her to shut up, LOL.

LOL. Yes it was. You remember I was really tired that night and in the morning, wasn't in the mood to listen to that crap. ;)

Moody
05-25-08, 06:54
Thanks OAH

The reason i ask this is because my friend told me on one occasion they got the girl for LT from the local BBS and then bring them to normal local Karaoke. This work out cheaper for them.

Thanks for the info

Waterfish

Of course you can bring girls from a BBS to KTV. This almost defeats the point of going to KTV though. You may as well go to the grocery store, buy some booze there and drink in your hotel room.

Jettsetter
05-25-08, 10:22
Jetsetter,

It has been a while, I paid for the bill at Hua Mei KTV , but you refused to pay your share of 430RMB the next day, so from my experience don't trust Jetsetter to pay you back. I will never forget this. I never expected a guy from USA would cheat me & specially such a small amount of money.

Look brother, last time I saw you I discussed this with you. We paid you back after you picked up the initial bill. We just didn't do it in front of the girls to make you look like a big shot. It's ironic how the first time I heard of this was possibly 2 years after the alleged event.

As I remember, you're the guy who begged us to take you out because you didn't speak a lick of Chinese and ended up interrupting me in the middle of the night because you wanted to force the girls to do things they weren't game for. I had to play mediator for you that night while you were standing in my room with your robe on and a scared to death girl wanting to go home.

Don't cast stones my man, I've partied with many of the folks on this board and the ones that we've partied with will tell you that I'm the furthest from being petty about 400 RMB... Please.

Jettsetter
05-25-08, 10:24
They have mostly oldies, probably in the neighborhood of about 2000 songs. Don't expect any top 40 songs from the last decade. And as for western songs girls like......... I almost cringe at the thought..... "Titanic" by Celine Dion.



Just tell th DJ, that's what she's there for. Songs are usually in alphabetical order by song title. Once in the English songs menu, you press the "下" key for next page and the "上" key for previous page. You press a number key to select the song.



Have fun.


Actually the best selections of songs I saw were at Hui Hwa - very good selection of english songs.. some as recent as the last year.

JY's selection is much more limited, but still has some good stuff. The Computer program they use is pretty cool, and you just simply have to ask the DJ For "ing wen guh" English songs.... and they'll put the alphabet in front of you on the screen. You pick the letter and they can scroll down to pick which songs you want to sing.

But as Go Joe says.. don't trust me on this... ;)

Dan Hawaii
05-25-08, 12:47
In all my KTV experiences, with Moody, Wadman, Ace Gallant, Jim Traveler, Asian Bleu and any other ISG member, we always split the bill right there inside the ktv room. Passing wads of money around. And not once has girls said anything, or any senior member hinted that this was looked down upon. Girls would actually help us pass the money around.

Even when we have big ISG dim sum lunch at Miraton, we just split the bill and pay it right away.

It's just so much easier and you dont have to remember or worry about it.

I actually like the american style of paying, "if you play, you pay". None of this oweing stuff and ill feelings later on. Just split the bill right there and pay it......if there are indifferences, get it cleared up right there and then while events are still fresh in your heads.

Case in point of ill feeling and indifferences, Jettsetter and GoJoe.

Just my POV.

Dan Hawaii
05-25-08, 12:53
Never get the small room. Always get a size bigger than you think you need. Even with 2 people, when my friends and I go out, the bill invariably comes to 1000-1500 range if we get 2 girls each. I realize not everybody is like this, but 188 consumption is nothing, it's like four beers.
Moody knows what's up. I told you toucan that the ktv bill is usually 600 to 800+ each person. Sometimes I just get amaze... looking at the pile of empty beer bottles stacked by the DJ's counter. It's like, "holy shit, did we drink all that?" Then I just giggle to myself. ;)

Dan Hawaii
05-25-08, 12:55
to Moddy

Me and you have to work in China have to Get up early to attended trade show and visit customer or factory around Dongguan and Guangzhou.

Unlike someone like Dan who only goes to China for p4p can slept all day and play all night and count his gold when he get home.


fast eddie 48
FE, you're the lucky one, get to go to CP and make money. Damn!!! How you do that?

Show me how to make money in CP and I'll show you a happy 'Hawaiian'.

Moody
05-25-08, 13:32
In all my KTV experiences, with Moody, Wadman, Ace Gallant, Jim Traveler, Asian Bleu and any other ISG member, we always split the bill right there inside the ktv room. Passing wads of money around. And not once has girls said anything, or any senior member hinted that this was looked down upon. Girls would actually help us pass the money around.


Typically, for Chinese, usually one guy is the host. For instance, I have a bunch of business acquaintances. Whenever they invite me, I'm never expected to pay. A typical evening is usually at a 5 star hotel where we usually eat either lobster sashimi or giant clam before heading to KTV. A lot of times, they'll even pay out all the tips for the girls too and even get me a room if I'm so inclined. Typical bill for the evening usually hits the 10K range for 6-10 guys.. Every now and then, it's happened in reverse and I've had to host some biz related people. Each time I've paid the check and taken care of girl's tips too. This is the typical Chinese KTV client and the reason Beijing tolerates KTV is because Chinese believe you have to entertain your clients.

There are however, lots of other people who enjoy going to KTV even if they don't have any business to conduct. I had a bunch of friends visit from the US this past 2 weeks and they went out almost everyday. Personally, I think lately the bulk of KTV clients are just bunch of friends going out to get drunk and get laid, but I could be wrong. Usually with these guys, one guy pays. We've been buddies for over 20 years so nobody gives a shit who pays.

Anyway, splitting the bill is considered a bit low class. I ask the girls and they basically say they don't care. One girl told me she thinks it's a Taiwanese custom. Whatever. To be honest though, who cares? Who you trying to impress? Nobody. Just have fun.

Playboy2000
05-25-08, 14:00
Thanks everyone for your help in explaining the KTV scene. I've spent 4-5 evenings now in a KTV, and I am only now figuring it out!

So I have learned that the room charge is really irrelevant. The real charge is for drinks and food plus the 10-15% service charge.

Here is another question: at a typical KTV, such as Jia Yi, how much is one beer and how much is a typical snack food plate?

I agree - better to take care of the bill at the end of the evening. This has never been awkward in my experiences.

So, the western songs Chinese girls are most familiar with are "My Heart Will Go On" (Celine Dion) and Michael Jackson songs? Any particular Michael Jackson songs?

Moody
05-25-08, 14:27
Thanks everyone for your help in explaining the KTV scene. I've spent 4-5 evenings now in a KTV, and I am only now figuring it out!

So I have learned that the room charge is really irrelevant. The real charge is for drinks and food plus the 10-15% service charge.

Here is another question: at a typical KTV, such as Jia Yi, how much is one beer and how much is a typical snack food plate?


Compared to most things in China, KTV is mega-expensive. Beer is about 40RMB a bottle at most places. At most places, it's also usually buy 12 get 6 free. At Jiayi, it's buy 12 get 12 free. However, at Jiayi, you have to buy the girls a drink for about 45RMB. Food is around 30-50RMB.

I get the feeling that there are a lot of small hotels that lose money on their hotel operations, but more than make up for it from KTV and sauna. I get the feeling Jiayi might be one of those places.

Additionally, if you reserve a room through a manager, they'll usually give you some snacks for free. It's not a big deal really, I mean the bill comes to 3500 for 4 people and you get 100 worth of free overpriced snacks and they offer it like they're doing you some huge favor. Makes me wanna laugh. LOL. I do however appreciate it when they give us free booze.


I agree - better to take care of the bill at the end of the evening. This has never been awkward in my experiences.

So, the western songs Chinese girls are most familiar with are "My Heart Will Go On" (Celine Dion) and Michael Jackson songs? Any particular Michael Jackson songs?

Man in the Mirror, Black and White, Thriller, etc., etc. They also know some songs from Britain and Australia. Something called "Big Big World" seems to be popular. Also, there are Chinese versions of a lot of Western songs, like Richard Marx' "Right Here Waiting." None of know any cool stuff like Nirvana or Pearl Jam.

Jettsetter
05-25-08, 16:25
Compared to most things in China, KTV is mega-expensive. Beer is about 40RMB a bottle at most places. At most places, it's also usually buy 12 get 6 free. At Jiayi, it's buy 12 get 12 free. However, at Jiayi, you have to buy the girls a drink for about 45RMB. Food is around 30-50RMB.

I get the feeling that there are a lot of small hotels that lose money on their hotel operations, but more than make up for it from KTV and sauna. I get the feeling Jiayi might be one of those places.

Additionally, if you reserve a room through a manager, they'll usually give you some snacks for free. It's not a big deal really, I mean the bill comes to 3500 for 4 people and you get 100 worth of free overpriced snacks and they offer it like they're doing you some huge favor. Makes me wanna laugh. LOL. I do however appreciate it when they give us free booze.



Man in the Mirror, Black and White, Thriller, etc., etc. They also know some songs from Britain and Australia. Something called "Big Big World" seems to be popular. Also, there are Chinese versions of a lot of Western songs, like Richard Marx' "Right Here Waiting." None of know any cool stuff like Nirvana or Pearl Jam.

My buddies and I are religious about exchanging money either as we walk out the door, in the sort of greasing the palm type of scenario or at breakfast when we all meet up.

Exchanging money in plain sight, is considered a bit rude/low class. Since my buddies and I are usually comprised of mostly Asians, that's traditionally been how we do things. In all, it probably doesn't matter as much, and really WTF do we care what the girls think, but that's kind of how things have always been done.

When we've had ISGers come hang out with us, we've always taken care of things before going to our respective rooms. My preference is just not to do it out in the open, particularly because one of us usually pays by credit card.

I would suggest doing it under the table also for security reasons too. With one guy who pays by card, on a $5k bill, now his girl knows he's sporting $5k... while I usually feel safe with KTV girls, there's always that temptation... after all, they're not doing this because they love you.

We had a situation at Hui Hwa, where one of my clients went up for a quickie during the KTV session, and had just taken money out of the ATM before, so he knew exactly how much money he had in his pocket, and when he came down, he was lighter not only the 500 for the quickie, but an extra 300 or so. I figure the girl would think if he had a stack, he wouldn't notice how much he had and 300 less was not a big deal.

Well it was.. My client owns a manufacturing plant in SZ and does a tens of millions in wholesale exports to the US, and gave them a piece of his mind.

Since the girl took off right away, she could be found. Was never really resolved because she probably didn't come back to work after the incident. It's silly over such small money...

but that's probably the only instance I've heard of such an issue... otherwise, I trust lots of KTV girls enough (of course it depends on the individual) to even hang out in my room while I'm not there...

Wadman
05-25-08, 17:37
Moody knows what's up. I told you toucan that the ktv bill is usually 600 to 800+ each person. Sometimes I just get amaze... looking at the pile of empty beer bottles stacked by the DJ's counter. It's like, "holy shit, did we drink all that?" Then I just giggle to myself. ;)

Well... depends on where you go and whom you go with. When going to "buy one get one free" KTVs, typical bill is around 300-400 per person (includes DJ's tip). Especially if Toucan Joe is in the group, he brings the average down. Usually if it's your first time in a KTV and you didn't book in advance, somehow they manage to jack the bill up. Did you know that you get charged for:
- fruit plates
- small snacks (nuts, salted fish, dried veggies)
- tissue paper
- water and electricity usage
- service charge

All this stuff adds up. If you pre-book through a manager, and especially one you have some pull with, he/she can waive a lot of these charges and get you even more free stuff. It's in the nature of Chinese businesses to rip off first customers, especially if they walk in cold off the street. Chances are you won't be coming back anyway, so better rake in the money now.

Wadman
05-25-08, 17:41
Thanks everyone for your help in explaining the KTV scene. I've spent 4-5 evenings now in a KTV, and I am only now figuring it out!

So I have learned that the room charge is really irrelevant. The real charge is for drinks and food plus the 10-15% service charge.


The "room minimum" is to prevent cheapskates coming in, taking up a room and spend virtually no money at by saying "no" to everything. The KTV has to make its money too.

When going out with more casual friends/acquaintances, my preference is to settle the bill at the end of the night. Who cares what the girls think. You can always tell them that how laowais/foreigners do it.

Fast Eddie 48
05-25-08, 22:24
FE, you're the lucky one, get to go to CP and make money. Damn!!! How you do that?

Show me how to make money in CP and I'll show you a happy 'Hawaiian'.Dan,

I am here to work and make money for my company.

If it was up to me, I'd like to stay home not spend 15 hr on the airplane to get here.

The only plus is get to play at night and hang out with you guys.

Fast eddie 48

Bill Lee
05-26-08, 01:40
went to the night market with couple of buddies last night. like my typical m.o., returned to the hotel and called the mommy for the girl. her name was tian ling or ling ling. sometimes, i'm really bad with names.

two girls came separately and each one was the wrong girl. send them packing with cabfare. decided to chalk it up as a loss that night. then 30 minutes into my sleep, the mommy called. told me that the girl i wanted was on her way.

great, not a loss after all. in 5 minutes she shows up and she was the one i picked earlier. she went to take a shower and i see her talking on the phone in mandarin. didn't understand a word. thought nothing of it.

then, 15 minutes into the foreplay, my doorbell rings. i looked through the peephole and it's covered. some guy on the other side kept saying "foo ren" or "foo mo ren" which from what i recalled was service person in a hotel or restaurant. but he kept the peephole covered. i felt very uncomfortable then. told him that he had the wrong room but he kept on ringing the doorbell every five minute. i knew something was up when the girl's phone was ringing and i could make out only that she was telling the other person on the other end, "chinese person" in mandarin. i knew then this was a setup. fuck it. i told her to tell her friends to leave but she pretended to not know what i was talking about. all this time, i'm still fingering her and getting her wet.

finally, after about 3 more rounds of ringing the doorbell, i called the front desk and told them that some stranger was ringing my doorbell and calling himself as a hotel worker but covering the peephole. i told them to send up a security guard. all this time, i'm stilling making out with the girl. at the same time, she's getting calls and she's making calls and i can just barely heard a phone ringing outside the hallway as she conversing in mandarin.

five minutes later, i get a call from the front desk that they had asked to two young chinese guys to leave from in front of my door when they couldn't identified the name of the guest that they claimed that they knew at my room. they claimed that a girlfriend of theirs had gone into my room. they were trying to find her.

why didn't i stop right there and throw her out? that meant taking a chance on a confrontation. so i got her to bbbj and finally came and she was tight. as she got dressed, i called her mommy and told her what had happened and put the girl on the phone with the mommy. of course the girl denied what happened and the mommy told me that i was mistaken. no mistake here. i know a setup when i see one. if it wasn't for the phone calls back and forth, i would say maybe i was mistaken. but to hear a phone ring outside the door as soon as she finished calling was not a mistake.

here's the girl's pic. she's not the typical short gal, about 5' 5". frizzy hair. her mommy's name was "hor mei" and number was 13549228100 and 13713477879. her shop was the second or third from the left as you walk down the night market from the main street.

guys, just be careful out there.

bill

Crazier
05-26-08, 02:01
Sounds about right. Room tab will of course depend on how much you and your friend(s) drink and eat. Last night was with a group of heavy drinkers, six of us total. Drink bill came to 5200 plus 600 tips for three DJs.

3 DJs? If there are only 3 of you, why 3 DJs? Was it a very large room?

On a recent visit, we took a large room V5 (not sure if its V or W) in Taoyuan (Jiayi) and when I arrived, there were 3 DJs waiting.

They were all new to me because our regular DJ Manager was busy so she assigned some of her DJs to us.

Because I only expected at most 8-10 of us in the room plus girls, I told the DJs that I only needed 2 of them. One of them had to go and she did although my firmness on this matter surprised them somewhat.

Now, if you order bottled liquor, they are trained and expecting to mix the drinks into jugs with "green tea" or whatever mix you specify.

What I dislike is that they will pour out your entire bottle into these jugs and mix them up and then tell you your drinks are finished, and 'pressure" you to order more even as all these mixed up concoctions are sitting in front of you on the table.

Even when you tell them you do not want to premix any of the drinks, they will pour out your unmixed liquor into jugs out of your bottles!!!!

I would not put it beyond them to pour some of the drinks away into the sink when you are not watching, esp in the larger rooms where the work area is behind a wall out of sight.

My own instructions to the DJs is not to pre-mix all the drinks, only a bit for the girls.

The rest, to leave in the bottle and to bring the bottle to the table from which to pour! They are always reluctant to do this and want to get your liquor into jugs. Its quite a battle to make them UNDERSTAND that this is how you like it. I do this because I like to see my bottle in front of us.

In some cases, I tell them straight, that I have seen DJs pour away my drinks and that I like to see the bottle in front of me. (Not that I don't trust them but that way, I can watch my consumption etc) That clears the deck so to speak and we understand each other.

There are also Managers / Mamis / DJs who have it in their mission to further your consumption by going uninvited to your room and helping themselves to your liquor etc. I tell the DJs that no one should come into the rooms uninvited because we like our privacy. If they have girls to line up, it is our option to say yes or no etc. No one should help themselves to our drinks unless invited.

Again, this clears the deck and ensures that your bills don't add up for the wrong reasons.

Yes, you need language to communicate the above but if there is none who speaks the language in the room, then get them to find a translator for you.

The Crown Prince is one place where the managers / mamis are often going into new customers' rooms to consume drinks at your expense to push up the tabs.

Hope this helps for those venturing into the KTVS.

C.

Crazier
05-26-08, 02:10
finally, after about 3 more rounds of ringing the doorbell, i called the front desk and told them that some stranger was ringing my doorbell and calling himself as a hotel worker but covering the peephole. i told them to send up a security guard. all this time, i'm stilling making out with the girl. at the same time, she's getting calls and she's making calls and i can just barely heard a phone ringing outside the hallway as she conversing in mandarin.

five minutes later, i get a call from the front desk that they had asked to two young chinese guys to leave from in front of my door when they couldn't identified the name of the guest that they claimed that they knew at my room. they claimed that a girlfriend of theirs had gone into my room. they were trying to find her.


bill,

that was very smart of you and absolutely smart of you!

glad you came out on top for this incident!


c.

Moody
05-26-08, 02:28
3 DJs? If there are only 3 of you, why 3 DJs? Was it a very large room?



6 guys and about 10 girls. Think it was the biggest room they had at the Virgin, room 222. This crew goes through a lot of booze compared to most.

Old Mean Dog
05-26-08, 04:05
Bill,

Glad you came out on top for this incident!


C.


Actually, I heard it was doggy style.

First couple of days in town, and you are already taken for a patsy! What gets me is normally, the Miraton staff is laxed with letting girls go in and out, but if local guys come in, usually they are on them pretty fast.

I would really complain to the staff about this, as I assume these boys probably did not even look like they belonged in the hotel.

-CPE

SE Asia Joe
05-26-08, 05:13
Here's the girl's pic. She's not the typical short gal, about 5' 5". Frizzy hair. Her mommy's name was "Hor Mei" and number was 13549228100 and 13713477879. Her shop was the second or third from the left as you walk down the Night Market from the main street.

Guys, just be careful out there.

Bill
Great reporting and warning. At the Miraton nonetheless.


SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
05-26-08, 05:23
typical bill is around 300-400 per person (includes DJ's tip). Especially if Toucan Joe is in the group, he brings the average down.
AND that makes me....... a favorite KTV companion!!

Problem though is that you cain't shut me up or wrestle away the microphone anytime you guys pur down more than my regulation two can! So you guys just need to endure my revenge!!!

SEAJ

Moody
05-26-08, 05:29
There are also Managers / Mamis / DJs who have it in their mission to further your consumption by going uninvited to your room and helping themselves to your liquor etc. I tell the DJs that no one should come into the rooms uninvited because we like our privacy. If they have girls to line up, it is our option to say yes or no etc. No one should help themselves to our drinks unless invited.



I really think you're looking too much into this. It's their way of introducing themselves and saying hello. A lot of Chinese would feel insulted if managers didn't come into the room for a drink.

At a lot of places, my friends and I actually invite the managers we are friendly with to drink with us, and by that I mean hang with us all night. Invariably after a few drinks, they leave saying they have to meet with their other customers. If it was really the case their main motive was to pad the bill, they would hang out all night and drink til we're ready to go. Quite a few times, they've begged off drinking saying they've had too much already.

A couple of times, we've taken one manager we know really well to other KTVs to hang with us. The guy didn't go butt wild drinking off our tab. As a matter of fact, given a choice, he opted to drink less. He doesn't really enjoy getting head spinning drunk. He says it happens a lot though because customers (like us) expect him to drink with them.

Moody
05-26-08, 05:32
AND that makes me....... a favorite KTV companion!!

Problem though is that you cain't shut me up or wrestle away the microphone anytime you guys pur down more than my regulation two can! So you guys just need to endure my revenge!!!

SEAJ

Hey Joe,

How did you get along with my buddies a couple weeks ago? Have a good time with those alcoholics?

Crazier
05-26-08, 06:27
I really think you're looking too much into this. It's their way of introducing themselves and saying hello. A lot of Chinese would feel insulted if managers didn't come into the room for a drink.



Moody,

I am Chinese & born & lived in Asia most of my life, it does not make me an expert but, I know it quite well when they are there to introduce themselves or to swallow our drinks purposefully.

You are absolutely right in that most times, they beg off if they have to drink & "bottoms up".

I detest it when some unfriendly fella walks in uninvited, pours a full glass of unmixed Chivas off our bottle and does that to every fella in our room without being asked to drink & cleans out our bottle and won't leave till its finished!

You are also right that some locals and visiting Chinese like to be recognised, greeted and pandered to for sure.

To ensure they know what we like or dislike, I always try to remember to brief the DJ / DJ Manager what we like or dislike. But, there are often times I forget.

The worst case is the DJ who is properly briefed and continues to spend all the time in the back of the work area (Hidden) doing who knows what while we require her services up front & next thing you know, she comes out and says, "your drinks are finished, would you like to order another bottle" and at that point, I have hardly sipped my first glass of scotch!

SE Asia Joe
05-26-08, 06:44
Hey Joe,

How did you get along with my buddies a couple weeks ago? Have a good time with those alcoholics?
Yeah - had a good time. Those friends of yours ARE party animals AND serious drinkers!! AND that when they'd just got off their 14 hour plane ride + transport from HKG! How I was young again!

I didn't even try to keep up with them as I already felt all bloated from the 4 max 5 beer (boasting again!!) I did have and instead subjected them to the worse kind of torture - to endure my singing just about all night long!!

But instead they repaid me back with kindness and would NOT let me pay any more than the RMB400 for the 2 DJ's, even though they and I both KNOW that the correct apportioned amount would have been more. Real stand up guys, your friends!

The only down-side I had that night was that the gal I went home with was a dud!

SEAJ

Member #4515
05-26-08, 06:51
Went to the night market with couple of buddies last night. Like my typical M.O., returned to the hotel and called the mommy for the girl. Her name was Tian Ling or Ling Ling. Sometimes, I'm really bad with names.Hi Bill,

Thank you for your report and glad you are safe. Stay cool.

Victor from Taiwan and haven't see you for a long time.

Hope to meet you and Santa again.

Moody
05-26-08, 08:46
But instead they repaid me back with kindness and would NOT let me pay any more than the RMB400 for the 2 DJ's, even though they and I both KNOW that the correct apportioned amount would have been more. Real stand up guys, your friends!

The only down-side I had that night was that the gal I went home with was a dud!

SEAJ

Why should you pay? There's three of them and only one of you not to mention you barely drink. ;) A bit surprised they let you pay the DJ tip.

Too bad about the girl, but you know it goes.... Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you.....

Moody
05-26-08, 08:52
Her mommy's name was "Hor Mei" and number was 13549228100 and 13713477879. Her shop was the second or third from the left as you walk down the Night Market from the main street.

Guys, just be careful out there.

Bill

"Hor" is dongbeihua for "hui," so her name would be "Hui Mei" like the hotel.

Moody
05-26-08, 09:01
I detest it when some unfriendly fella walks in uninvited, pours a full glass of unmixed Chivas off our bottle and does that to every fella in our room without being asked to drink & cleans out our bottle and won't leave till its finished!
!

That is pretty extreme. I have to say though, I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. Not everyone can down several cupfulls of straight whiskey in a short amount of time and not get violently ill or pass out.

Crazier
05-26-08, 10:21
Moody,

I was sure he cleaned out the last 30 to 40% of our bottle by the time he "bottom upped" the 5th fella in our group on that occasion and I know without exception, all of us were sort of thinking each to ourselves,

"what the f**K!"

That sort of left us with very little and I had to order another bottle immediately or we would have none ourselves then! Considering that none in the room were real heavy drinkers, it was not viewed happily for sure and it's not a matter or money!

The worst thing was following him before I ordered, a young Mami came in, took a look at our bottle and remarked "mei you jiew?" (no more liquor). I stared blankly back at her smiled and pointed to the door.

That was the occasion when I first summoned my DJ immediately, ordered another bottle and told her to inform any more uninvited people to the room to leave immediately and that has been my policy since. Of course, mamis with nice girls to show (if we still needed to see them) would be allowed to parade the girls when appropriate.

On drinking heavily,
in our wilder & younger days in Phuket, I had a Thai Chinese friend "bottom up" an 75 cl bottle of JW Black and of course, he was badly drunk!

The next day, when we went to play an early morning round of golf at the Blue Canyon CC, he vomitted right on the pristine first green! Not sure if the management of the club thought it was funny but the caddies had a laugh then!

C.

Bill Lee
05-26-08, 12:07
Here's her card. I don't need to tell you how bad my Chinese is.

Bill




"Hor" is dongbeihua for "hui," so her name would be "Hui Mei" like the hotel.

Moody
05-26-08, 12:10
Here's her card. I don't need to tell you how bad my Chinese is.

Bill

Card says her name is Ah Mei.

ManonsanBoy
05-26-08, 18:46
Moody,



On drinking heavily,
in our wilder & younger days in Phuket, I had a Thai Chinese friend "bottom up" an 75 cl bottle of JW Black and of course, it was badly drunk!


C.


You can easily die doing that.

Bangkokbuddy
05-27-08, 00:54
Here's her card. I don't need to tell you how bad my Chinese is.

BillThanks for the tip.

I am in town. First time in China. Long time in Bangkok. 10 years. I picked up that same card from somewhere. Will toss it out now. Scary stuff.

Wapec
05-27-08, 02:20
"Ah Mei" the Taiwanese singer ? I'd just go straight for the Mommie and fuck her and forget the Babies. Ah Mei is a Bad Bad Girl (or so the song goes).


Card says her name is Ah Mei.

SE Asia Joe
05-27-08, 03:44
Moody,

On drinking heavily,
in our wilder & younger days in Phuket, I had a Thai Chinese friend "bottom up" an 75 cl bottle of JW Black and of course, he was badly drunk!

C.
I have this friend of mine my age, who is very much involved with the invisible going-ons in Taiwan and Hong Kong.

Every time I meet up with him, and usually when he first arrives in the room with his underlings in tow, he would pick up the nearest bottle of Chivas or Black Label (which would still be near full as its early), announce a toast to me or whoever invited him to come, and with a flourish down the whole bottle in one go. To rounds of applause, he would then sit down and wait until his boys go back out to their standard post outside the door.

He would then excuse himself to go to the loo. But one time he was really staggering and I decided to accompany him in - which was when he promptly made himself throw up, and then sort of sheepishly told me " got to show these young guys." I felt a bit sorry for him as he needed to do this just to maintain his stature as "The Man," but more sorry for myself for having paid countless times an extra Thou or so when paying the bill - just for it to go down the drain. Oh Well!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
05-27-08, 04:06
Why should you pay? There's three of them and only one of you not to mention you barely drink. ;) A bit surprised they let you pay the DJ tip.

Too bad about the girl, but you know it goes.... Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you.....
Naaaah - I usually insist on paying an equal apportioned amount for the evening.

To me it don't matter that I drink any more or less than the rest as I get to ENJOY an equal share of the evening. Besides which, gotta make it up for my younger days when I loved to Binge Drink!

Also, I figure if I cain't afford to go out drinking or whoring around, I'd rather NOT go, as opposed to try to weasel free or "reduced price" drinks! And that's happened more and more these days when some of my friends asks me to go out to known ultra expensive KTV's in Hong Kong, Taiwan or ?? - when the bill would easily get up to Tens of thousands of dollars for one evening. Such evenings were OK and practically 'de-rigeur' in my earlier incarnation - but now I've been baptized and know better!!

SEAJ