FKK Paradise - Stuttgart

[Hessen Bub]

The Oase girl is probably Sunny from Berlin.

HB.

[PussyLiccker]

Forgot to mention. Paradise is not really an FKK based on what I've seen last visit. Girls were wearing out-fits to an extent. It's more of a Sauna Club. Sakura is an FKK.

[Incognito2001]

I am a kind of the new to the scene, but I will be in the South Germany next week, and is wondering whether I should visit Paradise (which is the bigger with more girls) or Sakura (which is more relaxed, but less girls). I read thru some of the posts here, but there are not many posts for either FKKs recently, unlike Sharks or some of the popular ones in Hessen and NRW.

To be honest, I would not mind doing OptiFuck or model types (I like Blondes for reasons I do not know.).

Maybe should I go to both of them to compare? (By the way, I went to both of them like 10 yrs ago. Back them, Paradise had much better girls in my opinions, but then the times change.).

Thanks.

[PussyLiccker]

For more lookers Paradise, and really model types are not all that common either places except one girl at Paradise stuck out as a model type (ex-Globe very pretty, but these Globe girls don't seem to last too long at places, first Globe girl I've seen outside De look super pretty model type!) Group of optis she hangs with there.

For service Sakura. Number of girls will be more at Paradise, but Sakura personally seem more worth it for balance of looks and service. Vibes are different in both places if that matters to you.

If it has been 10 yrs, there should be changes. You will find Ro dominance at these clubs like majority of the clubs out there now a days.

I highly recommend Maya, pretty Romie that provides great service at Sakura if she is around.

[Sirioja]

PL,

WGs often lie about many things, When you really know Globe, so hard to believe girls who worked at Globe and return to work for 50 instead of 140/30 mn, even they claim they worked there. I met at Sharks an Hessen superstar for years, as I said to her I went to Globe only for her, even I also found again Isabella there. When I paid 200 for our 2 hours first room at Sharks, I paid much more expensive at Globe because she is different from usual WGs for me, much more classy. I met her 7 times at Globe, she was often busy, even she was always coming when seeing me. She could make about 5000 from Friday to Sunday, so why do You want she returns to Germany lower rates. Even Aurelia stays now at Globe and seems happy about her business. Also Miky ex Jessika silicon. Isabella worked at Oase, Sharks, Rom for 1 week, World, Andiamo and Sakura for few days, before Globe.

Only girls who will not stay to make 3 times higher rate are those who are not pretty enough or who don t have the good behavior to make money at Globe. That s why I always said Anja couldn't work at Globe, just because of her behavior. Staff say to girls they are lucky to work at Globe to make good money, 4 hours in room mean about 1000 there, after paying room. Not same level for business than at Sharks for mainly 50 € rooms, or GT waiting for the key, or Paradise. Also not same level for some girls there.

Cheyenne at Oase now, after GT, LR, whose photos are from Westside which is a small club about 40 kms from Zurich. Even small Globe brother, but not at all same level for casting.

[Incognito2001]

For more lookers Paradise, and really model types are not all that common either places except one girl at Paradise stuck out as a model type (ex-Globe very pretty, but these Globe girls don't seem to last too long at places, first Globe girl I've seen outside De look super pretty model type!) Group of optis she hangs with there.
For service Sakura. Number of girls will be more at Paradise, but Sakura personally seem more worth it for balance of looks and service. Vibes are different in both places if that matters to you.

If it has been 10 yrs, there should be changes. You will find Ro dominance at these clubs like majority of the clubs out there now a days.

I highly recommend Maya, pretty Romie that provides great service at Sakura if she is around.PussyLicker,

Thank you for your inputs.

I ended up trying FKK Sakura first time in 6 months last weekend. The place was empty with about 10 customers when I showed up like 2 PM. I know early, but did not see any girls I would be interested, so after 1 hour, I moved to FKK Paradise. The lineup was I have to say better if you look for "Looks", but they are definitely more aggressive.

I ended up being with Micha from Romania who worked around the floor. I don't know enough about her, but she seemed to be great for the first time (but cost 100 E for 30 min with "full services". I will repeat. Spoke to some girls about FKK Sakura and Paradise. FKK Sakura girls seem to have some regular customers and more relax, while Paradise girls may be better looking with more options (bigger place with more girls).

Just one question. I saw one girl Amy (I know this is not FKK Sakura Forum), but anyone has comment on her? Positive or negative?

Thank you.

[PussyLiccker]

I suspect Sakura is more of regular club. If tourist look for services, it's safer in club of regulars. At least for my experiences. As much as we can thank regulars and in cases good management, I guess too much proportionate of tourist or surivial by tourists doesn't help services.

[XXL]

Forgot to mention. Paradise is not really an FKK based on what I've seen last visit. Girls were wearing out-fits to an extent. It's more of a Sauna Club. Sakura is an FKK.As far as I'm concerned, I don't care jack shit what the girls wear or don't wear. I wouldn't mind all of them being in evening dress as long as they're sexy and provide good service.

There's a girl who's turned me down at Paradise Stuttgart for the 2nd time running, so I now know she was "lying" when she gave me to understand she was booked. Slim girl with small tits and narrow shoulders, but broad waist, just what I like.

I've found this club to be better Friday afternoon than Friday night. No Club is ever really bad if the male/female ratio is low. This holds true provided the number of girls is more than 6-7 though.

[ExpatLover]

PussyLicker,

Thank you for your inputs.

I ended up trying FKK Sakura first time in 6 months last weekend. The place was empty with about 10 customers when I showed up like 2 PM. I know early, but did not see any girls I would be interested, so after 1 hour, I moved to FKK Paradise. The lineup was I have to say better if you look for "Looks", but they are definitely more aggressive.

I ended up being with Micha from Romania who worked around the floor. I don't know enough about her, but she seemed to be great for the first time (but cost 100 E for 30 min with "full services". I will repeat. Spoke to some girls about FKK Sakura and Paradise. FKK Sakura girls seem to have some regular customers and more relax, while Paradise girls may be better looking with more options (bigger place with more girls).

Just one question. I saw one girl Amy (I know this is not FKK Sakura Forum), but anyone has comment on her? Positive or negative?

Thank you.Several times I reported that Sakura is a great place except that many girls are booked for long sessions by regulars so difficult to get them and also the ratio man to woman is sometimes completely crazy, 40 men for 10 women. Personally will not go again to Sakura too expensive compare to big Hessen clubs.

[PussyLiccker]

Expatlover, if you are more regular you probably notice it morr often.

My last visit wasn't like that. Daytime was pretty slow. Few girls came up to pitch their sales looking for business as it was slow during the day. I wanted to see the fuller LU was tired, so I took a nap and came back up at about 6.

Several around the pole, by the central stair or others in the smoking area.

I had no problems getting with girls I was interested. In the past there were the overly busy ones like anywhere (but other places have more girl options), but this visit on a Fri was slow. Perhaps that was the reason.

No wonder they reduced the entry for the time being to 50, and not worth even 50 for entry. I can think of other cluvs even for 50 that is better places to visit.

For me most of the girls I'm interested were available, but there are also ones in the smoking area or other spots with their regulars. So, I think it's a club for local regulars.

[Maxime]

PussyLicker,

Thank you for your inputs.

I ended up trying FKK Sakura first time in 6 months last weekend. The place was empty with about 10 customers when I showed up like 2 PM. I know early, but did not see any girls I would be interested, so after 1 hour, I moved to FKK Paradise. The lineup was I have to say better if you look for "Looks", but they are definitely more aggressive.

I ended up being with Micha from Romania who worked around the floor. I don't know enough about her, but she seemed to be great for the first time (but cost 100 E for 30 min with "full services". I will repeat. Spoke to some girls about FKK Sakura and Paradise. FKK Sakura girls seem to have some regular customers and more relax, while Paradise girls may be better looking with more options (bigger place with more girls).

Just one question. I saw one girl Amy (I know this is not FKK Sakura Forum), but anyone has comment on her? Positive or negative?

Thank you.You better had stayed in Sakura, it has a great lineup if you appreciate a good service, but at 2 PM not many are there yet. Currently (on a Thursday at 6 PM) there are more than 50 girls. Of course some are booked, but enough choice. Amy\s looks are good, service is ok (would say top when comparing to average girls in Oase / Sharks / Paradise), Erika, Nadja, Hannah, Bianca (long pause), etc have (even) better service.

Ok, back to Paradise experiences.

[ExpatLover]

You better had stayed in Sakura, it has a great lineup if you appreciate a good service, but at 2 PM not many are there yet. Currently (on a Thursday at 6 PM) there are more than 50 girls. Of course some are booked, but enough choice. Amy\s looks are good, service is ok (would say top when comparing to average girls in Oase / Sharks / Paradise), Erika, Nadja, Hannah, Bianca (long pause), etc have (even) better service.

Ok, back to Paradise experiences.Sorry but I can't agree with you, I never saw 50 girls on a Thursday afternoon, may be never saw 50 girls at the same time in Sakura, as already reported Sakura is a great place except the pour LU.

[PussyLiccker]

Yup, should have stuck around. In the monger book, a requirement for mainstream clubs is to stick around until the night shift arrives. Should not make judgement of club's LU based on slow times / days or in this case, daytime.

I think in general, 6-7 is reasonable time to stick aeound til, and then bounce if the LU doesn't work out.

[PussyLiccker]

PL,

WGs often lie about many things, When you really know Globe, so hard to believe girls who worked at Globe and return to work for 50 instead of 140/30 mn, even they claim they worked there.I met an ex-Globe girl who's services wouldn't be considered full in De. I would say she is 1 ex-Globe girl sessioned in De out of several, the services weren't full in the standard.

I asked why is she working outside Globe, and was told that during slow times, works outside in De. Seems there are times when business is slow enough there that they opt to work elsewhere. Since the cost of living is high there compared to De, makes sense if their business doesn't cut it. Globe's peak LU is seasonal?

[Incognito2001]

You better had stayed in Sakura, it has a great lineup if you appreciate a good service, but at 2 PM not many are there yet. Currently (on a Thursday at 6 PM) there are more than 50 girls. Of course some are booked, but enough choice. Amy\s looks are good, service is ok (would say top when comparing to average girls in Oase / Sharks / Paradise), Erika, Nadja, Hannah, Bianca (long pause), etc have (even) better service.

Ok, back to Paradise experiences.Yes, maybe I should have, but Micha at Paradise (Blond, mid 20's and about 165-170 cm) was excellent for me. I would not mind going back there to see her again.

Anyway, just saw the Sakura HP and they are expecting over 50 Girls today (many still have Red, meaning they are not there yet, but expected to show up later). Will see those ladies you mentioned next time. Since I am a cheap ass, I would try there on Tue or Thu (The entry fee is 50 E).

[XXL]

This is my second visit Friday in late afternoon (4-5 pm) instead of late in the evening (10-11 pm). Girls indeed seemed less exhausted. Dominican Salome was on holiday but two "new" Dominicans were in store for me. One of them I already knew from FKK Prestige where she'd called herself Ruby (her Paradise nom de plume was something like Kerry). The other Dominican went by the name of Rosa and I sessioned her twice. Rosa looks young and is young, 22 by her own account. One of the most perfect backsides I've had the priviliege of tucking my face into. Her tits on the small side but deliciously pear-shaped, upright and upturned. Both girls sounded somewhat despondent and told me they may not be around when I revisit in May.

Ex-Prestige "Ruby" sounded like she was on the look-out for a soft-landing in her life. Alternatively, she may just have been on the look-out for a place to live or establish residency while working in Munich. Either way, in the West any woman at home means trouble, never mind what she is (a sex worker) or isn't. Pre-retirement beckons. Taking risks with women would be foolish.

[Slayer666]

I've got so say I'm surprised by some of the reports about Paradise here, in my book it's the best FKK I've been to.

The LU is usually great (80% worth spending money on), with luxurious surroundings, decent food and friendly staff I love the place.

10/10.

[Hessen Bub]

I've got so say I'm surprised by some of the reports about Paradise here, in my book it's the best FKK I've been to.

The LU is usually great (80% worth spending money on), with luxurious surroundings, decent food and friendly staff I love the place.

10/10.Sure. Palace and Paradise are great. Sharks and Sakura are bad. And you're being paid by Paradise and Palace for placing those three statements here.

HB.

[Sirioja]

I met an ex-Globe girl who's services wouldn't be considered full in De. I would say she is 1 ex-Globe girl sessioned in De out of several, the services weren't full in the standard.

I asked why is she working outside Globe, and was told that during slow times, works outside in De. Seems there are times when business is slow enough there that they opt to work elsewhere. Since the cost of living is high there compared to De, makes sense if their business doesn't cut it. Globe's peak LU is seasonal?Some Globe girls are usually busy. Even Aurelia or Jessika silicon keep on touring for business at Globe. But girls can t work all along at Globe, they have to be off for a while, about 3 weeks- 1 month, before next tour. Some return home, some like Mio return to GT.

[Slayer666]

Sure. Palace and Paradise are great. Sharks and Sakura are bad. And you're being paid by Paradise and Palace for placing those three statements here.

HB.I didn't say Sharks and Sakura are bad I just prefer Paradise and Palace, I joined the forum to offer a different opinion from my experiences (not being paid by anyone LOL), there are quite a few Paradise / Palace fans here as well it seems reading through the threads.

If at least 80% of the LU is worth spending money then that is a good club imo (usually the case at Paradise / Palace), my issue with Sakura and Sharks is that this is simply not the case. You can spend hours at Sakura / Sharks and still not decide on someone you like.

Paradise / Palace ftw.

[Craiova]

I didn't say Sharks and Sakura are bad I just prefer Paradise and Palace, I joined the forum to offer a different opinion from my experiences (not being paid by anyone LOL), there are quite a few Paradise / Palace fans here as well it seems reading through the threads.

If at least 80% of the LU is worth spending money then that is a good club imo (usually the case at Paradise / Palace), my issue with Sakura and Sharks is that this is simply not the case. You can spend hours at Sakura / Sharks and still not decide on someone you like.

Paradise / Palace ftw.Then you have a different view than me. I always prefer Sharks and Sakura much higher over Palace and Paradiese.

[Hessen Bub]

How about a report on some girls you've been with instead of pushing the club with general comments?

HB.

[ExpatLover]

I didn't say Sharks and Sakura are bad I just prefer Paradise and Palace, I joined the forum to offer a different opinion from my experiences (not being paid by anyone LOL), there are quite a few Paradise / Palace fans here as well it seems reading through the threads.

If at least 80% of the LU is worth spending money then that is a good club imo (usually the case at Paradise / Palace), my issue with Sakura and Sharks is that this is simply not the case. You can spend hours at Sakura / Sharks and still not decide on someone you like.

Paradise / Palace ftw.Are you joking, Paradise is a nightmare since more than 2 years, it was my favorite club in 2010 but now it is just a very bad place even the boss escape to Switzerland to try to avoid legal issues. Try again 2 months ago left after 2 hours without any session.

[Sebastiane]

I haven't been to Paradise since July 2016 but it, like every other FKK club I've been to, has its good and bad days and overall I like it. I think we regular mongers in German FKKs get spoilt and forget that for most people in the world such places are just available in their dreams- ask the people from the USA!

Those who've been recently to Paradise- who are the top current girls?

[Slayer666]

Can't imagine the youngest girl being 30+. Haven't been for ages, club was going pretty much downhill since the Razzia when they took in Berretin and Rudloff left the country.

HB.Rudloff was there last Friday pouring Champagne for the girls, a real party atmosphere around the bar with a few pole dancers, (one of them was the first blonde girl in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNahisHBDE4) had a really enjoyable night. Stayed between 6 pm and 12 pm.

Sessioned with 3 girls all good (sorry but I can't remember their names) and was approached by a lot of nice looking girls, felt a bit guilty turning so many down ha ha.

As I've said before it's my favorite FKK.

[Hessen Bub]

Rudloff was there last Friday pouring Champagne

Sessioned with 3 girls all good (sorry but I can't remember their names) Thought he was still hiding in Switzerland. How long did you session with each girl? 50 EUR sessions or longer? Did you get DFK, DATY, BBBJ?

HB.

[Slayer666]

Thought he was still hiding in Switzerland. How long did you session with each girl? 50 EUR sessions or longer? Did you get DFK, DATY, BBBJ?

HB.Rudloff is definitely back but Beretin has left the company according to one of the girls there, he has been replaced by a youngish female manager who seemed nice. Anyway, they were both in the bar area overseeing how the night went and also ate dinner in the canteen.

In terms of prices it varied between girl to girl, some gave full service for 50 EUR others wanted 100 EUR, there was no real upsell and the money situation is worse in other clubs I've been to. I was pretty happy with the 3 choices I made. The food was also decent.

There were quite a few model types there that I liked, the LU at Sakura on Saturday didn't seem as good IMO.

[Pentire]

Business takes me close to Stuttgart next month and with it an opportunity to make my inaugural visit to Paradise.

Just a couple of quick questions; approximately how many girls are likely to be in peak attendance between 19.00-02.00 on a Friday evening end of May and are fees similar to what I'm used to paying at Sharks & Oase?

[Slayer666]

Business takes me close to Stuttgart next month and with it an opportunity to make my inaugural visit to Paradise.

Just a couple of quick questions; approximately how many girls are likely to be in peak attendance between 19.00-02.00 on a Friday evening end of May and are fees similar to what I'm used to paying at Sharks & Oase?I'd say around 30 - 40 girls on the floor, basic service 50 Euro and full service 100 Euro (the same as the other clubs).

The Line Up was decent last Friday.

[Pentire]

I'd say around 30 - 40 girls on the floor, basic service 50 Euro and full service 100 Euro (the same as the other clubs).

The Line Up was decent last Friday.All I need to know, sounds promising.

[XXL]

Having booked Mercure Hotel Boeblingen, the initial plan was Sakura but I thought it wiser to throw in my lot with Paradise. The LU at Paradise when I arrived (2 pm, hours after opening time) was very scarce, no more than 10 girls and no lookers among them. Even Sakura couldn't have had much worse to offer.

Girls didn't start to arrive in any numbers until close to dinner time (6 pm) and even so when I left it hadn't reached one third the numbers I'd seen on my previous visit on a Friday. None of "my" Dominicans showed up. I have a feeling that non Rumanians tend to put in less working hours. That may be because non Rumanians would be more likely to have rooms in town.

I sessioned one German girl who asked for 100 upfront, or rather she warned that 50 euros only included very basic sex with no 69 position and God knows what other things missing.

The LU at FKK Colosseum in Augsburg was WAY better at 2 pm the next day. Of course Colosseum only opens at 2 pm but this serves to illustrate the point that generous opening times are a mixed blessing. Less generous opening times (maybe coupled with some kind of compulsory time-keeping for girls) are better in terms of predictability.

[Slayer666]

Having booked Mercure Hotel Boeblingen, the initial plan was Sakura but I thought it wiser to throw in my lot with Paradise. The LU at Paradise when I arrived (2 pm, hours after opening time) was very scarce, no more than 10 girls and no lookers among them. Even Sakura couldn't have had much worse to offer.

Girls didn't start to arrive in any numbers until close to dinner time (6 pm).

The LU at FKK Colosseum in Augsburg was WAY better at 2 pm the next day. Of course Colosseum only opens at 2 pm but this serves to illustrate the point that generous opening times are a mixed blessing. Less generous opening times (maybe coupled with some kind of compulsory time-keeping for girls) are better in terms of predictability.I agree the best time to go to Paradise is just after dinner (between 6-7 pm). Most clubs have a poor line up during the day though.

[Pistons]

this serves to illustrate the point that generous opening times are a mixed blessing. Less generous opening times (maybe coupled with some kind of compulsory time-keeping for girls) are better in terms of predictability.It depends on the amount of girls working there. Which again depends on the market. Clubs like Artemis and Sharks have the market for early and late girls. Oase to a lesser extent. The other clubs I have visited seems to fall into the same trap you mention at paradise. But at least they are open. So you can relax a bit. Eat, get to know the place and check out the sauna / Jacuzzi, steam room, pool, watch some TV, or take a short nap etc while waiting. Paradise has good enough amenities to chill out for a few hours too... paradise has especially good places to just lay around like a bag of potato and if you fall asleep, you think you are still sleeping when you get up to walk, and assume it is a dream from 1001 nights.

[XXL]

Paradise has good enough amenities to chill out for a few hours too... paradise has especially good places to just lay around like a bag of potato...I find Paradise Stuttgart a border-line case in this respect. Its namesake in Saarbruecken is much better. It was all I could do in Paradise Stuttgart to find a well-lit enough spot to read. Sitting around doing nothing is OK because of the profusion of sofas, suspended couches etc.

[ExpatLover]

Having booked Mercure Hotel Boeblingen, the initial plan was Sakura but I thought it wiser to throw in my lot with Paradise. The LU at Paradise when I arrived (2 pm, hours after opening time) was very scarce, no more than 10 girls and no lookers among them. Even Sakura couldn't have had much worse to offer.

Girls didn't start to arrive in any numbers until close to dinner time (6 pm) and even so when I left it hadn't reached one third the numbers I'd seen on my previous visit on a Friday. None of "my" Dominicans showed up. I have a feeling that non Rumanians tend to put in less working hours. That may be because non Rumanians would be more likely to have rooms in town.

I sessioned one German girl who asked for 100 upfront, or rather she warned that 50 euros only included very basic sex with no 69 position and God knows what other things missing.

The LU at FKK Colosseum in Augsburg was WAY better at 2 pm the next day. Of course Colosseum only opens at 2 pm but this serves to illustrate the point that generous opening times are a mixed blessing. Less generous opening times (maybe coupled with some kind of compulsory time-keeping for girls) are better in terms of predictability.You just need to read the report from the forum and you could avoid to spend your time there, my last visit was a disaster, I am not so hungry to session this kind of woman.

[Slayer666]

I find Paradise Stuttgart a border-line case in this respect. Its namesake in Saarbruecken is much better. It was all I could do in Paradise Stuttgart to find a well-lit enough spot to read. Sitting around doing nothing is OK because of the profusion of sofas, suspended couches etc.The best place to chill is opposite the whirlpool on the leather loungers. You can check out the LU walking past and they tend to hassle you less.

[XXL]

Girl number 1 asked whether I wanted a BJ with ou without. "Without until July 1st" I teased. The girl said they'd already been briefed about the 1st of July change. "After that it will be ganz verboten", she said, "blow-job with a condom, must be awful for men huh?" "Awful for the club too" I replied, "if the men don't show up any more".

My 2nd girl was MILF Sintia or Cintia. Her broad hips with endearing saddlebags around the thighs make her body the type I find arousing in a woman past her prime. She is not small and some overbearingness about her face plus her imitation diamond neckbracelet give her the air of a lady of the manor who likes horseriding and is not above a secret affair with her game-keeper. Once engaged in conversation though she turns out to be most unassuming.

My sex-drive let me down after these two sessions in spite of the Viagra still going strong in my system. I'd been taking melatonin nearly every evening for the previous ten days. I suspect it to have adversely impacted my sex-drive. Plenty of sleep is good for replenishing testosterone but melatonin-induced sleep may have the opposite effect.

I regretted not sampling more of all those shapely female bodies cruising and strewn around the couches pining for customers. F / M ratio of 3:1 around 8 pm. I definitely recommend FKK Paradise Stuttgart on a Friday within the indicated time slot.

[XXL]

The 3-minute's walk between Holiday Inn Express and the club, though anything but picture-postcardly idyllic, now seemed elysian with summer in the air, the prospect of real sex plus a bite at Paradise's very decent 3-course buffet. Arriving before the crowds invade but close enough to dinner time not to go hungry for long proved a good compromise. For at least one and a half hour most girls were sitting on their own or cruising for custom.

I had 3 sessions, 2 climactic. One was with an ex-Sakura girl calling herself "Nicola". By the time I visited Sakura on Friday she would be back at Sakura.

Around 8:30-9:00 enough men had arrived to keep half the girls occupied in one way or another. One girl started pole-dancing. The atmosphere had changed from quiet and cozy to night-club like. Cigarette smoke, irritating both in its own right and as a proxy for overcrowding, began to take its toll. Time to call it a day.

All in all a pleasant evening thanks to good timing on my part and Paradise Stuttgart's demonstrable good LU.

[ExpatLover]

Girl number 1 asked whether I wanted a BJ with ou without. "Without until July 1st" I teased. The girl said they'd already been briefed about the 1st of July change. "After that it will be ganz verboten", she said, "blow-job with a condom, must be awful for men huh?" "Awful for the club too" I replied, "if the men don't show up any more".

My 2nd girl was MILF Sintia or Cintia. Her broad hips with endearing saddlebags around the thighs make her body the type I find arousing in a woman past her prime. She is not small and some overbearingness about her face plus her imitation diamond neckbracelet give her the air of a lady of the manor who likes horseriding and is not above a secret affair with her game-keeper. Once engaged in conversation though she turns out to be most unassuming.

My sex-drive let me down after these two sessions in spite of the Viagra still going strong in my system. I'd been taking melatonin nearly every evening for the previous ten days. I suspect it to have adversely impacted my sex-drive. Plenty of sleep is good for replenishing testosterone but melatonin-induced sleep may have the opposite effect.

I regretted not sampling more of all those shapely female bodies cruising and strewn around the couches pining for customers. F / M ratio of 3:1 around 8 pm. I definitely recommend FKK Paradise Stuttgart on a Friday within the indicated time slot.Sorry for my stupid question. What is the interest to take Viagra (I never took it) when you visit a FKK? You have no stress with a prostitute (I can understand it with a girlfriend you want to be seen has a strong man), you are the customer if you can t it is just you don't have enough sex appeal for the girl, I will never use this kind of drug to visit a prostitute.

[XXL]

A "beach party" had been going on on the roof terrace but was just being interrupted by rain as I arrived.

For sheer availability of good-looking, client-starved girl, few FKKs beat Paradise Stuttgart on a good day within the above time window.

The highlight of my evening was Erythraen Sofa, ex-Pearls (Trier). To say Sofa is petite is an understatement, she must weigh between 40 and 45 kg. Anywhere else but Germany I'd never risk it with such a girl as her smallness and petitness is undistinguishable from young age. She acted in the room as the perfect nympho ("acted" being the operative word). I was glad to apprise her of my having been in Ethiopia, and my imitation of Khat chewing was a success with her.

I'll be back in Paradise Stuttgart next Saturday.

[Sebastiane]

Thanks XXL for some good reports -- good to hear Paradise is going strong. Hope to pay a return visit there later this summer.

[XXL]

What difference a week can make! Eight days ago when I left this FKK on Friday night I couldn't wait to be back. Today the LU was still dormant at dinner time (6:30 pm) in spite of this being a Saturday. None of my repeat girls were present. Most importantly, 4 out of the 5 girls I sessionned had some service issue. Number one had said in unaccented German she was Persian but lived in Hamburg. Should this have have raised a red flag? The fact is in the room she refused to use my Sagami. Numbers two, three and four gave out bad vibes in one way or another, reluctantly accepting my Sagami, not allowing any DATY, closing her legs to do doggy instead of spreading them, putting a condom on for BJ without warning (nothing like a covered BJ to kill my erection outright). Number five was OK but the 50 mg Viagra still felt like 25 mg. This was one of those days.

I stayed at IBIS and would recommend it. Compared to Holiday Inn Express it's a bit further from the FKK but still within walking distance. It's cheaper but just as good. Parking is if anything easier (large outside parking lot in addition to underground). It advertises a shuttle from the airport.

[ErnestCulpX]

Soon I'll be going to Stuttgart for a while, around three weeks and I'd like to know what I can find there, what FKK do you recommend?

[Delta Indigo]

Soon I'll be going to Stuttgart for a while, around three weeks and I'd like to know what I can find there, what FKK do you recommend?The girls are not as pretty in Sakura as Paradise. But Paradise is a pretty bad club for service and in contrast Sakura in Hulb is one of the best in Germany. I have haf super good service in 4 clubs in Germany, Babylon in Elsdorf, Luder Lounge in Dortmund, Palast in Freiburg and Sakura in Hulb. Also there are quite a few pretty girls there and I am not easily pleased.

The legendary Robyn was at Sakura before Sharks.

[Maxime]

The girls are not as pretty in Sakura as Paradise. But Paradise is a pretty bad club for service and in contrast Sakura in Hulb is one of the best in Germany. I have haf super good service in 4 clubs in Germany, Babylon in Elsdorf, Luder Lounge in Dortmund, Palast in Freiburg and Sakura in Hulb. Also there are quite a few pretty girls there and I am not easily pleased.

The legendary Robyn was at Sakura before Sharks.Totally agree with Delta Indigo: in BW and Hessen, only Sakura gives you decent service offering of most (not all!) girls for 50 euro (or more if you like of course). Big contrast with the golddiggers in Oase, Sharks, etc, where you of course also can have good sesions, but chances on failure or agressive upselling are much higher.

My top clubs regarding service of the girls are also Luder Lounge, Babylon, Sakura and of course Globe (Zurich, and much more expensive). Long long time ago Panthera and Parksauna Residenz and evren Oase were also on this list, and let's see how this lists looks like the coming months when the new law in Germany will probably affect this list again.

[ExpatLover]

Totally agree with Delta Indigo: in BW and Hessen, only Sakura gives you decent service offering of most (not all!) girls for 50 euro (or more if you like of course). Big contrast with the golddiggers in Oase, Sharks, etc, where you of course also can have good sesions, but chances on failure or agressive upselling are much higher.

My top clubs regarding service of the girls are also Luder Lounge, Babylon, Sakura and of course Globe (Zurich, and much more expensive). Long long time ago Panthera and Parksauna Residenz and evren Oase were also on this list, and let's see how this lists looks like the coming months when the new law in Germany will probably affect this list again.Sorry but I don't agree, I am visiting mostly Shark, World, Oase, (stopped Sakura and Mainhattan in the last months due to too poor LU) and I am always getting great sessions. Today I went with a new girl at Shark had a extremely nice 1 hour session. Difficult for me to say that this club has better service than this one.

[Enphl]

Any new reports on BBBJ availability?

I'll be visiting the area in a few weeks. Plan to visit sakura and maybe here too. Or am I better off just going to sakura twice.

[Oregon97]

Visited about two weeks ago. Ladies were looking nice and fully FKK. However attitude and service was significantly below Hessen clubs in my opinion.

[Enphl]

Visited about two weeks ago. Ladies were looking nice and fully FKK. However attitude and service was significantly below Hessen clubs in my opinion.Thanks for the report. Did you have any sessions with any of the girls? Did they offer BBBJ?

Sounds like you prefer this club over sakura.

[Chris Rob]

Thanks for the report. Did you have any sessions with any of the girls? Did they offer BBBJ?

Sounds like you prefer this club over sakura.In the fall I'll visit a friend, but neither of us knows how to move around the FKK in Stuttgart. Can you recommend any place where they do GFE and PSE? (The first for me and the other for my mate hahahahahaha).

Thanks!

[ExpatLover]

In the fall I'll visit a friend, but neither of us knows how to move around the FKK in Stuttgart. Can you recommend any place where they do GFE and PSE? (The first for me and the other for my mate hahahahahaha).

Thanks!Recommend you to visit Frankfurt, if not possible give a try to Sakura, and if you are desperate Paradise but for both clubs don't expect too much. Too expensive also.

[XXL]

I had two good sessions with Nikki who called herself Nicola when she worked at Sakura's. Small pear-shaped naturals, upturned nose, full lips.

Another session with a girl I had already sessioned long ago turned out to be disappointing. When she asked whether I wanted a BJ with or without I replied hand-job only. She then asked "with CIM"? This implies her first question had been asked with a view to upselling. What is the point of hand-job + CIM anyway? Does jerking off into the mouth of a yawning cow count as bestiality?

[Enphl]

I was there about a week or two ago. Plane landed at 10 am. I visited around 3 pm in the afternoon. There were lots of girls there that I'd consider doing a session with so no issue with numbers. The place was a little different as they gave me a robe versus just walking around with a towel. The facilities were a little worn / old but still felt "clean". Most girls that came by were actually pretty polite, not too aggressive. Like they would ask if its ok to sit down next to me vs just sitting on my lap. The first girl that came by was from spain. When I asked about BBBJ and CIM, she said she doesn't do it at all, not even for extra but other girls do. All the other girls that I met were Romanian. All offered BBBJ for extra. Nearly all offered CIM. I ended up seeing two Romanian girls. The first (michelle) had bright red hair, young, thin. Some FK but not very deep. BBBJ was interesting, lots of tongue action but good. Wanted 25 extra for BLS. Started with doggie and she was very tight. I'm thicker than average but she had no problem with me going deep and hard. She was great with CG too. Ended up finishing with CIM. After that I hung out a while to "recover". Talked to several girls, all romainian. Must be the language barrier because I'd tell them up front that I'm "recovering" but we'd keep chatting. Sometimes with plenty of hand action. Then when asked to go up to a room, I'd remind them that I'm still "recovering" and then they'd lose interest and leave. The second girl I picked "Gitta" was also a romainian, a blonde with glasses. I might have also picked her solely because of the glasses. Just by chance she's best friends with the first girl I saw. That was a big turn on too. Eventhough she said she'll do BBBJ but not CIM. She did offer COF. I still went ahead with her. I did go through everything that I wanted in detail this time and she agreed. She probably provided better "GFE", better DFK, more "passion". She had perfect boobs, exactly the size and shape I like. BBBJ was nearly identical but she did BLS as well. Not as tight but seemed like she had better skills. Started with doggie, the CG, the finished on her face. It is alot harder for me to finish a second time so she really had to work at it. She did start to complain that it was taking a long time. Overall, the only real issue I had with this place was that the rooms arent very well ventilated. They don't turn on the AC so it can get quite warm.

[ExpatLover]

I was there about a week or two ago. Plane landed at 10 am. I visited around 3 pm in the afternoon. There were lots of girls there that I'd consider doing a session with so no issue with numbers. The place was a little different as they gave me a robe versus just walking around with a towel. The facilities were a little worn / old but still felt "clean". Most girls that came by were actually pretty polite, not too aggressive. Like they would ask if its ok to sit down next to me vs just sitting on my lap. The first girl that came by was from spain. When I asked about BBBJ and CIM, she said she doesn't do it at all, not even for extra but other girls do. All the other girls that I met were Romanian. All offered BBBJ for extra. Nearly all offered CIM. I ended up seeing two Romanian girls. The first (michelle) had bright red hair, young, thin. Some FK but not very deep. BBBJ was interesting, lots of tongue action but good. Wanted 25 extra for BLS. Started with doggie and she was very tight. I'm thicker than average but she had no problem with me going deep and hard. She was great with CG too. Ended up finishing with CIM. After that I hung out a while to "recover". Talked to several girls, all romainian. Must be the language barrier because I'd tell them up front that I'm "recovering" but we'd keep chatting. Sometimes with plenty of hand action. Then when asked to go up to a room, I'd remind them that I'm still "recovering" and then they'd lose interest and leave. The second girl I picked "Gitta" was also a romainian, a blonde with glasses. I might have also picked her solely because of the glasses. Just by chance she's best friends with the first girl I saw. That was a big turn on too. Even though she said she'll do BBBJ but not CIM..Sorry but you don't remember if it was 1 week ago or 2 weeks ago? Paradise was one of my favorite club for many years, are you really sure that the the facilities are looking old?

[XXL]

LU was ok but not spectacular. Girls got scarce right after dinner, if you want to get hold of a particular girl better do so during dinner while clients are queuing for food. I did 2 sessions with 2 of my regulars but could'nt finish. I could sustain an erection courtesy of sildenafil but felt exhausted and without sex-drive. Am I getting too old for this at 58? Hopefully not yet. I've been 9 days on the road non stop betweeen clubs. Usually I visit 2 clubs on 2 consecutive days then pause for 2 days. I think sex-deprivation is needed at my age for the sex-drive to kick in again. Alternatively, taking sildenafil daily 8 days on end may have taken its toll.

[ExpatLover]

LU was ok but not spectacular. Girls got scarce right after dinner, if you want to get hold of a particular girl better do so during dinner while clients are queuing for food. I did 2 sessions with 2 of my regulars but could'nt finish. I could sustain an erection courtesy of sildenafil but felt exhausted and without sex-drive. Am I getting too old for this at 58? Hopefully not yet. I've been 9 days on the road non stop betweeen clubs. Usually I visit 2 clubs on 2 consecutive days then pause for 2 days. I think sex-deprivation is needed at my age for the sex-drive to kick in again. Alternatively, taking sildenafil daily 8 days on end may have taken its toll.Sex and visiting FFK clubs must be a pleasure, was it for you, little advise stop all those drugs and when you will get really hungry go again, listen to your body and not to advertisement, trends etc. If you have no pleasure, enjoy other sides of the life, good wine, sport, gastronomy etc.

[Incognito2001]

Hello,

I am going to hit Palace right after its Opening Time to kill a couple of hours (a layover) on SAT.

Would anyone let me know what the situations are like, let's say, around 12 AM? I know things are very slow around noon, but I hope there will be at least some girls when I show up.

Thank you.

[FunExplorer]

Hello,

I am going to hit Palace right after its Opening Time to kill a couple of hours (a layover) on SAT.

Would anyone let me know what the situations are like, let's say, around 12 AM? I know things are very slow around noon, but I hope there will be at least some girls when I show up.

Thank you.Indeed, things are slow. However, you may find 4 to 5 girls. Happened to me a few months ago.

[ExpatLover]

Hello,

I am going to hit Palace right after its Opening Time to kill a couple of hours (a layover) on SAT.

Would anyone let me know what the situations are like, let's say, around 12 AM? I know things are very slow around noon, but I hope there will be at least some girls when I show up.

Thank you.Of course some girls will be there sometimes very good experience in the early morning some fresh German girls working at part time in the club and not willing to work night with mostly drunk guys and a lot men of with migration background.

[Sebastiane]

Not been to Paradise for a while. Is Romanian Hazel still working there?

[TeFab456]

I happened to be in Stuttgart last week and took the opportunity to spend a Monday (underwear day) in Paradise. Had a swell night. Not too many girls around, maybe 20, max 25 in total, but many of them very beautiful (Tami) or at least very nice and seductive for reasons particular to every girl.

Met Vivien (visiting for a tryout from another city in NRW), Corina, Tami and eventually Polly (Poli? All encounters were highly satisfying and left no wishes unfulfilled. Paradise may not have the appeal of the big carnal hubs in Hessen or NRW, but is now probably my favorite club in Germany. Even if I would like to return to Sharks at some point, since that venue did also make an impression on me, albeit a different one.

[ExpatLover]

I happened to be in Stuttgart last week and took the opportunity to spend a Monday (underwear day) in Paradise. Had a swell night. Not too many girls around, maybe 20, max 25 in total, but many of them very beautiful (Tami) or at least very nice and seductive for reasons particular to every girl.

Met Vivien (visiting for a tryout from another city in NRW), Corina, Tami and eventually Polly (Poli? All encounters were highly satisfying and left no wishes unfulfilled. Paradise may not have the appeal of the big carnal hubs in Hessen or NRW, but is now probably my favorite club in Germany. Even if I would like to return to Sharks at some point, since that venue did also make an impression on me, albeit a different one.I think that you are joking, just go and visit the big clubs in Hessen so you can feel the big difference, Paradise is really overpriced.

[Member #4585]

There was a power play between Sakura and Paradise in August. I forget the exact numbers, what happened was Sakura lowered its entry to 50 euros so Paradise not to be out done also lowered its pricing to 50 euros entry as well.

This created a stir among the Germans living South of Darmstadt and those Germans coming to Hessen from Bayern to attend the Hessen FKKs (you know who you are).

Ordinarily the Paradise entry is 79 euro which is up there with Artemis in Berlin at 80 euro entry. Pales to the entry price for some of the Swiss bordellos that have just 10 CHF entry which includes a drink or two to savor while you select a girl from the Bordello line up.

Paradise restaurant is really well done. The food is excellent. You are fed well.

Then there is the upstairs Kino room where you can watch sports then the tiered Kino room similar to the Palace tiered seating. The sauna and wellness area is well kitted out with a cold fridge room to cool down after a sauna as well.

Okay the line up can be light on the off days but the clientele in the area are well paid and so there is a catchment area where the girls can make some money.

If wellness is your thing then Paradise is worth a look even at the 79 euro price tag for entry.

[Rogue Nation]

If wellness is your thing then Paradise is worth a look even at the 79 euro price tag for entry.Hardware is a bit worn down at Paradise, they'd need to re-invest. Sauna is ok but not perfect for Aufguss. Nice view from the sauna though. Wellness area in total isn't that great or big, the snow cave is often out of operation. Nice thing is the hamam with a great hamam treatment for 30€ per half hour. Line up and service are way below other clubs, service is close to Palace level. Not a recommendation anymore, was a good place to go to years ago.

[XXL]

If wellness is your thing then Paradise is worth a look even at the 79 euro price tag for entry.I'm surprised at this bottom line because I'd have thought if there is one thing that Paradise LE doesn't have it is a proper wellness area. What's the good of sweating in a Sauna if you can't get a whiff of fresh air when you emerge? The snow grotto hardly makes up for that. Not to mention the area right outside the sauna is continuous with the smoke-laden main hall. Apart from that, Paradise LE is the better of the two Stuttgart FKKs in my opinion.

[PussyLiccker]

That's a joke right? Pay 79 Euros for wellness?

[ExpatLover]

That's a joke right? Pay 79 Euros for wellness?Fully agree with you, it was one of my favorite club but since 2014, the LU is a disaster and the entry price is just for top manager of Mercedes or Porsche.

[Member #4585]

That's a joke right? Pay 79 Euros for wellness?


Bami is a Dutch dish? Funny I had another Dutch dish there as well, a burger type pan fried meatloaf. Which was tasty.

I actually like the food at Sixsens, they now give tickets for their pan grilled steak which is tasty to me. More variety there than LR as well.


I had steak every visit. Last time they had sushi, but it's been sitting out awhile when I got to it. First time seen sushi in a club. Steak wasn't the only entre, there other meat as well. They got a salad bar, and serves fries which are fresh like LR's. Compare that to LR's salad lettuce and dressing LOL.

If I compare to Oceans steak dish you pay, 6sens is better. You get two tickets for steaks and fries and salad bar included with additional entres. It's better since you don't pay a la carte. Only time I'd eat Oceans steak if included in happy HR entry of 25 Euros which I don't see anymore, and they upped it to 40 instead of 30 for basic without food or drinks entry.I guess it may have been betterm to fit your tastes, to say 79 euros for food given your tendency to discuss food and where to get them.

The reality is a lot of guys actually go for the facilities, surprising as that may sound. No need to knock everything someone says. Everyone has an opinion. It is up to you to decide.

[Member #4585]

I'm surprised at this bottom line because I'd have thought if there is one thing that Paradise LE doesn't have it is a proper wellness area. What's the good of sweating in a Sauna if you can't get a whiff of fresh air when you emerge? The snow grotto hardly makes up for that. Not to mention the area right outside the sauna is continuous with the smoke-laden main hall. Apart from that, Paradise LE is the better of the two Stuttgart FKKs in my opinion.You are welcome to your opinion. I write the report, you can read it and decide what you think.

[Sebastiane]

Actually Bitumen is right. 79 euros for very good, unlimited food, coffee, soft drinks and also access to sauna, pool, jacuzzi, steamroom is a pretty good damn deal. People take the FKKs for granted but even without the girls its a cool place to chill out. The girls are.

The icing on the cake that makes them unique!

[McAdonis]

79 EUR if truly just for the wellness is too much.

Therme Erding is a 180.000 m wellness facility and it costs 40-50 EUR for a day pass and as low as 18 EUR for a two hour pass. So by my estimation the wellness facilities at even the best FKK are worth no more than 10 EUR.

I wish the FKK clubs would allow you to pay for access to areas separately. For instance, access the WG's lounge and rooms (45 EUR). Add-ONS would be access to restaurant for unlimited food (15 EUR), access to bar for unlimited drinks (10 EUR), access to wellness (10 EUR). Or all four for 60 EUR (25% savings).

Some days you plan to stay 12+ hours and pay for convenience of all-inclusive option. Other days you are sick of club food and drop 40 EUR for a dinner at a quality restaurant. Or you want to go to a world class facility.

[PussyLiccker]

I guess it may have been betterm to fit your tastes, to say 79 euros for food given your tendency to discuss food and where to get them.
What can I say, I gots to eat.

[Sirioja]

Actually Bitumen is right. 79 euros for very good, unlimited food, coffee, soft drinks and also access to sauna, pool, jacuzzi, steamroom is a pretty good damn deal. People take the FKKs for granted but even without the girls its a cool place to chill out. The girls are.

The icing on the cake that makes them unique!Oase, Sharks, Harmony, YY, can be visited for only 50. Villa Vertigo for 35, World for 47. GT for 60.

[Dante Richard]

I am going to visit paradise Stuttgart for the first time. Understood entry is 79 EUR. How much will it cost for fucking a girl? Answers please.

[Sebastiane]

I am going to visit paradise Stuttgart for the first time. Understood entry is 79 EUR. How much will it cost for fucking a girl? Answers please.50 for half an hour for suck and fuck and kissing (depends on the girl, not guaranteed).

[Danny227]

There was a power play between Sakura and Paradise in August. I forget the exact numbers, what happened was Sakura lowered its entry to 50 euros so Paradise not to be out done also lowered its pricing to 50 euros entry as well.

This created a stir among the Germans living South of Darmstadt and those Germans coming to Hessen from Bayern to attend the Hessen FKKs (you know who you are).

Ordinarily the Paradise entry is 79 euro which is up there with Artemis in Berlin at 80 euro entry. Pales to the entry price for some of the Swiss bordellos that have just 10 CHF entry which includes a drink or two to savor while you select a girl from the Bordello line up.

Paradise restaurant is really well done. The food is excellent. You are fed well..Anybody has some insights into the LU these days?

[XXL]

LU pretty much unchanged. One good session with my regular Nicola. No new talent to tempt me into another session. Two or three other girls with first-rate figures but they're either on my black list ("do not repeat") or on my grey list ("no use repeating"). No significant influx of girls or customers by the time I left (8 pm).

Entry price 69 E if my memory serves me right.

A new hotel has just opened opposite Holiday Inn. This is the only piece of good news in this nook of FKK Land.

[Danny227]

LU pretty much unchanged. One good session with my regular Nicola. No new talent to tempt me into another session. Two or three other girls with first-rate figures but they're either on my black list ("do not repeat") or on my grey list ("no use repeating"). No significant influx of girls or customers by the time I left (8 pm).

Entry price 69 E if my memory serves me right.

A new hotel has just opened opposite Holiday Inn. This is the only piece of good news in this nook of FKK Land.Thanks for the information. Suspicion confirmed.

[Citizen Kane]

Entry price 69 E if my memory serves me right. .

79 E normally, unless they have reduced it recently.

[XXL]

.

79 E normally, unless they have reduced it recently.I've just checked their website and they advertise 70 for a "Day pass" and 55 for a "2-hour pass", so 69 is pretty close.

https://www.fkkparadise.com/infos/prices/

[Citizen Kane]

I've just checked their website and they advertise 70 for a "Day pass" and 55 for a "2-hour pass", so 69 is pretty close.

https://www.fkkparadise.com/infos/prices/I think that's Saarbrucken. Stuttgart says 79.

https://www.the-paradise.de/en/prices/

[XXL]

I think that's Saarbrucken. Stuttgart says 79.

https://www.the-paradise.de/en/prices/Indeed I was looking at the wrong site!

By the way it seems they also have a day (Thursday I think) on which clients are encouraged (though not required) to stay fully dressed.

[Ableyone]

I think that's Saarbrucken. Stuttgart says 79.

https://www.the-paradise.de/en/prices/English page has the price 79€.

Whereas the German page has both prices????

"I'm Tagesticket-Preis von 79€ .... "

"Tagesticket: 69€".

[Rogue Nation]

https://www.the-paradise.de/preise/

Interesting that the German version of Paradise's (Stuttgart) says 69 EUR, the English / French one 79 EUR. It has been 79 EUR since 2010, before it was 69 EUR. Haven't been for a long time so can't tell.

[XXL]

English page has the price 79.

Whereas the German page has both prices?

"I'm Tagesticket-Preis von 79 . ".

"Tagesticket: 69".This is getting more interesting by the minute:

https://www.the-paradise.de/preise/

Are customers who don't address reception in German supposed to pay the "taxi tax"?

[XXL]

Natasha is a tallish girl with somewhat boyish figure and a pretty face. Large inner lips if one is into such things. Ex Frankfurt RLD (Laufhaus Crazy Sex).

Otherwise LU identical to last Saturday. No new talent. No black skin. Boring, especially as I was still reeling from Oase's stupendous LU the day before. Good F/M ratio though.

A girl told me business was slow because the boss was in jail for the 2nd time this year and this kept German customers away. As for me I couldn't care less even if Hitler in person were running the place.

[Member #4585]

A girl told me business was slow because the boss was in jail for the 2nd time this year and this kept German customers away. As for me I couldn't care less even if Hitler in person were running the place.Yeah, I heard this too that the boss was in jail again.

Must try out Paradise in Saarbrucken.

[ExpatLover]

Yeah, I heard this too that the boss was in jail again.

Must try out Paradise in Saarbrucken.It seems to be the same owner, in the recent years the boss escaped to Switzerland, he is considered as a pimp and forcing girls to work in the clubs.

[BarryManila]

Interesting that the German version of Paradise's (Stuttgart) says 69 EUR, the English / French one 79 EUR. It has been 79 EUR since 2010, before it was 69 EUR.
Haven't been for a long time so can't tell.Paradise Stuttgart: "Tages-Ticket" 69 EUR. Every day.

[Stuggi]

Hi,

I am from northern parts of Stuttgart (living here since I was born) and want to ask if someone needs a guide to FKK Paradise, Sakura or any other locations nearby. I can show you any kind of brothel. If you want even FKK Sharks in Darmstadt or even farer away. If you have a car you can pick me up and we look around in the brothels you want. My day for tours like this is Saturday.

[Sirioja]

Hi,

I am from northern parts of Stuttgart (living here since I was born) and want to ask if someone needs a guide to FKK Paradise, Sakura or any other locations nearby. I can show you any kind of brothel. If you want even FKK Sharks in Darmstadt or even farer away. If you have a car you can pick me up and we look around in the brothels you want. My day for tours like this is Saturday.Is this a job in Germany? When I visit a club on first time, I don t even want a WG to be asked to show me the place, I prefer to discover by myself, as a foreigner not speaking German, then, like at war, my brain find strategic places, to enjoy, or to survive.

[Stuggi]

Is this a job in Germany? When I visit a club on first time, I don t even want a WG to be asked to show me the place, I prefer to discover by myself, as a foreigner not speaking German, then, like at war, my brain find strategic places, to enjoy, or to survive.No it is not a job of course. I would do that if someone is interested and also I would give money for gas for your car if so. Picks me up.

And I am not only talking about guiding someone through a club, I also know most clubs in Germany, brothels and gangbang events.

I also have 1 or 2 real German students who I met sometime (they take some money and no I am not a pimp) even for a 3 some (but that I cannot guarantee every time cause they are busy sometimes).

[DethManRulz]

Most interesting. You can find it online if you wish.

[Stuggi]

I was yesterday there, made 2 shots, but all in all it was boring. Only Romanian girls and most of them not so good looking (for me). Others the Frenchmen for example were happy, but they don't know pay 6 at all in their home country so they are very easy to please. Maybe 30 girls max walking around there. I heard sharks must be much better than this so next time I travel the long were to Darmstadt, cause Paradise, not good at all. And let's be honest that club is going down the last 2-3 years. No Germans, no girls from Poland or Russia, it is completely different than a few years ago. It is sad somehow, but the region Stuttgart is somehow dead for a few years and the new law is making the situation far more worse. Well at least for the gourmet-fuckers like me that's the situation these days!

[XXL]

I had come with few hopes as action is difficult to find in any FKK at this time of year but it could have been much worse. LU 30% reduced, m: f ratio 3:2 but many men seemed to be there only to relax. Two or three girls I hadn't seen before.

Communal eating with boys and girls in different uniforms reminded me of school, only at FKK I can have my way with the girls. Better than a wank in the school loo.

This may have been my last visit since my roadmap will drastically change as of next year. Lots of good memories here.

Tomorrow onwards to Paradise Saarbruecken.

[ExpatLover]

I was yesterday there, made 2 shots, but all in all it was boring. Only Romanian girls and most of them not so good looking (for me). Others the Frenchmen for example were happy, but they don't know pay 6 at all in their home country so they are very easy to please. Maybe 30 girls max walking around there. I heard sharks must be much better than this so next time I travel the long were to Darmstadt, cause Paradise, not good at all. And let's be honest that club is going down the last 2-3 years. No Germans, no girls from Poland or Russia, it is completely different than a few years ago. It is sad somehow, but the region Stuttgart is somehow dead for a few years and the new law is making the situation far more worse. Well at least for the gourmet-fuckers like me that's the situation these days!You can't compare paradise to Shark, they are not at the same level, Paradise is a average regional club, and Shark is the big international one, nevertheless I stopped visiting paradise beginning of 17 just too expensive compare to the LU.

[Incognito2001]

Does anyone know if Micha from Romania (blonde) still works at Paradise?

Danke,

I.

[Sirioja]

I was yesterday there, made 2 shots, but all in all it was boring. Only Romanian girls and most of them not so good looking (for me). Others the Frenchmen for example were happy, but they don't know pay 6 at all in their home country so they are very easy to please. Maybe 30 girls max walking around there. I heard sharks must be much better than this so next time I travel the long were to Darmstadt, cause Paradise, not good at all. And let's be honest that club is going down the last 2-3 years. No Germans, no girls from Poland or Russia, it is completely different than a few years ago. It is sad somehow, but the region Stuttgart is somehow dead for a few years and the new law is making the situation far more worse. Well at least for the gourmet-fuckers like me that's the situation these days!I'm French, I met so many top beauties Russian escorts in Paris, Milano, Torino, Dubaï, Saint Petersburg, but since end of 2012, I also met top Romanian beauties who were or are lovely top GFE in FKK. One of them was the perfect woman for her top fashion care, a real baby skin smelling good everywhere. Some Romanian girls are really good to play GF when you treat them in that way. I really like charm of some of them.

[Pistons]

Care to mention who these girls in the pictures are? The Russian escorts you have come across, or Romanians in FKK's?

[Sirioja]

Care to mention who these girls in the pictures are? The Russian escorts you have come across, or Romanians in FKK's?Do you think I would show photos of my Romanian Eves or German model? But you can see Lorena on History site, and Misha, Megan and Kate on Globe site.

Photos are from Russian escorts met many times, but for my beauty demanding level.

[Pistons]

Do you think I would show photos of my Romanian Eves or German model? But you can see Lorena on History site, and Misha, Megan and Kate on Globe site.

Photos are from Russian escorts met many times, but for my beauty demanding level.They know how to use photoshop on the globe website, that's for sure!

The girls there looks like statuettes.

[Sirioja]

They know how to use photoshop on the globe website, that's for sure!

The girls there looks like statuettes.Megan ex Hessen and Misha really don t need photoshop, except to hide Megan tattoos.

Statues are according to Globe inside design. I miss not anymore warm inside swimming pool there.

[Incognito2001]

Since I was in STR for a few days last week, I decided to stop by at Paradise on THU.

I arrived around 7 PM and it was so called "Dress Day", even with some guys dressing clothes. It was my first visit for a long time (maybe over 10 months), but after a quick look, I think there were roughly 30+ girls and 20 or so clients. I saw some cute ones, but there was no so-called "stunner" that hit my animal instinct unfortunately. Some girls approached me while I was sitting and checking the scenes. As you expect, most of them, literally 15 girls I spoke to except one girl, are from Romania. Nothing wrong about Romanians, but it was amazing to see the disproportion. I was in FKK Palace and Sakura last year, but although there were a lot of Romanians, there were also girls from some other nations. In the case of Paradise, it was almost owned by them.

Anyway, I went to a room with the following ladies.

Mona.

A super skinny Blonde girl in the early 20's from Romania. A kind of looks like Franziska Focella. She said she was working in Wien (Vienna), but just came to STR since it was no good there. Very reserved, but nice and accomodating girl. She has a very small pussy, so men with a big dick might have some problem if porn style fucking is your thing. Ended up doing 1 hour slow session with so-called "full service", with Cum over her tits. E150. I would repeat.

Kita.

Another Romanian with glasses. Maybe around the mid 20's or a bit older, but not 30's. Said she has been working there for 2 years now. She may not be a stunner, but I like her approach and personality, so decided to try. She did not change her style in the room. After trying a normal service for a few minute, I took her offer for "full service". She is not PSE / GFE type, but very accommodating (of course for 100 E /30 min). Finished over Titties / Mouth / Chin. E100. She was not that bad, but felt like she was more like a friend type. I would put her in my reserve list.

Kim.

Another Romanian blonde, around mid-20's. She is not fat, but not too skinny. She was actively walking around the floor. It was already late and was thinking about going for one more for the road. There was again no stunner on the floor, so I gave her a try. To make a long story short, she was very business like and even with E100/30, a few things like cum over titties are optional. Would not let me try more than a few positions, but finished CIM which was included in the package, which was good for the finisher, but I would not repeat.

Overall, it was my first visit since last Winter, so it was OK, but even compared to my last few visits to FKK Palace and some other places, the lineup was too weak for me. I still have a day here, so I am wondering if I should give FKK Sakura a try, but the line-ups from their web page look not too strong, as I usually prefer Blonde or Skinny types.

Has anyone been to Sakura lately?

I.

[Rogue Nation]

Thanks for the update. How many and which of the girls did DFK?

[ExpatLover]

Thanks for the update. How many and which of the girls did DFK?Some girls do something with this guy but not with another one, a girl is not a product there are also girls I don't kiss or lick just because I don't feel it.

[ExpatLover]

Since I was in STR for a few days last week, I decided to stop by at Paradise on THU.

I arrived around 7 PM and it was so called "Dress Day", even with some guys dressing clothes. It was my first visit for a long time (maybe over 10 months), but after a quick look, I think there were roughly 30+ girls and 20 or so clients. I saw some cute ones, but there was no so-called "stunner" that hit my animal instinct unfortunately. Some girls approached me while I was sitting and checking the scenes. As you expect, most of them, literally 15 girls I spoke to except one girl, are from Romania. Nothing wrong about Romanians, but it was amazing to see the disproportion. I was in FKK Palace and Sakura last year, but although there were a lot of Romanians, there were also girls from some other nations. In the case of Paradise, it was almost owned by them.

Anyway, I went to a room with the following ladies.

Mona..Sakura is not better, both clubs are too expensive, LU average low, Sakura is more a club for regular so even the girls are there they are not available all the time, for me 10 visits and 1 room so end of the story for me. Food is the best from any club but are we going for that.

[Incognito2001]

Thanks for the update. How many and which of the girls did DFK?You know, since I agreed for so-called "Full service" (E100), they all agreed to kiss me, but I was not that interested in kissing total stranger at FKK, to be honest with you. Plus, I have a thick beard now, so I was a bit hesitant as well.

All in all, I was able to kiss them lightly on and off during the plays with no issue. I think I did DFK with Mona while I got a little too excited.

I.

[XXL]

The usual decent LU this Saturday evening. Hardly any new talent. 1 African girl. Good F/M ratio though. I had three 50-euro, no tips sessions, finishing with the 3rd. My erection was 90% Sildenafil and 10% horniness, one of those lackluster days. Abidance by the CBJ rule provided me with a good excuse not to tip. Girl nr 1 asked whether I wanted a blow-job with or without. I replied I found CBJs dumb. "Ok but what do I get in return?" she said. "You know what" I said, "just use your hand, a handjob will make me hard just as well". There.

[ExpatLover]

The usual decent LU this Saturday evening. Hardly any new talent. 1 African girl. Good F/M ratio though. I had three 50-euro, no tips sessions, finishing with the 3rd. My erection was 90% Sildenafil and 10% horniness, one of those lackluster days. Abidance by the CBJ rule provided me with a good excuse not to tip. Girl nr 1 asked whether I wanted a blow-job with or without. I replied I found CBJs dumb. "Ok but what do I get in return?" she said. "You know what" I said, "just use your hand, a handjob will make me hard just as well". There.Great attitude, we all need to follow your way, stop paying for things which are not extra, no tips and pushing to get correct service for 50 euros, all those prostitutes need to come back to reality. Even you give them money most of them don't know how to use it and most of them even after several years in the p6 have no savings or apartment.

[XXL]

I never visit the same club on 2 consecutive days if I can help it but since I was stuck in Stuttgart this Sunday I might as well have a 69-euro sex-oriented dinner at Paradise.

I ended up having 3 sessions, managing to finish once only with a hand-job.

Hasel (ex FKK Sunshine) is a petite fake blond with small tits and a style I would describe as sexually girlfriendly. I had had a good session with her at Sunshine. She did her best this time too but I wasn't into it. She's looking to go back to Sunshine as soon as Sunshine has a vacancy for her.

Sandra is relatively new in Paradise. She is rather tall, blond hair extensions, beautiful eyes, totally smooth genitals. Good performance with good positioning. Her faking showed she majored at one of Europe's best sex academies. She whipped out the trojan to put it on even before I was hard. Maybe this is what new girls are now taught to do.

[ExpatLover]

I never visit the same club on 2 consecutive days if I can help it but since I was stuck in Stuttgart this Sunday I might as well have a 69-euro sex-oriented dinner at Paradise.

I ended up having 3 sessions, managing to finish once only with a hand-job.

Hasel (ex FKK Sunshine) is a petite fake blond with small tits and a style I would describe as sexually girlfriendly. I had had a good session with her at Sunshine. She did her best this time too but I wasn't into it. She's looking to go back to Sunshine as soon as Sunshine has a vacancy for her.

Sandra is relatively new in Paradise. She is rather tall, blond hair extensions, beautiful eyes, totally smooth genitals. Good performance with good positioning. Her faking showed she majored at one of Europe's best sex academies. She whipped out the trojan to put it on even before I was hard. Maybe this is what new girls are now taught to do.If you can't come easily it is just you are not attracted enough by the girl, it is normal and also happen to me. When the chemistry is fine, when I don't feel cheated I can come easily even in the mouth without any hand support on contrary with some poor performer I also need HJ to come, every weeks I meet a german escort and with her it is so easy to come in all kind of practises but she is german and into it not like all those roumanian prostitutes willing to give as less as possible and to get as much money as possible. We all have to stop to pay for poor services and cheating girls it is the only way to make those roumanian girls to come down to earth and the reality of what is 50 euros.

[Member #4585]

I never visit the same club on 2 consecutive days if I can help it but since I was stuck in Stuttgart this Sunday I might as well have a 69-euro sex-oriented dinner at Paradise.XXL,

Just a minor detail, did you receive a 10 euro discount on the advertised 79 euro entry price to Paradise?

https://www.the-paradise.de/en/prices/

Day ticket: 79.

.

2 Hour Ticket: 50.

(only until 4 pm).

.

Direct ticket 30.

(without club entrance).

.

Bonus cards:

Fives card: 340 (5 x day ticket, savings of 55).

Tens card: 650 (10 x day ticket, savings of 140).

[XXL]

XXL,

Just a minor detail, did you receive a 10 euro discount on the adevrtised 79 euro entry price to Paradise?Yes, today I definitely paid 69. Yesterday as well I think but I don't remember for sure. Today they had a big poster that said Tageskarte only 69 euro.

[Member #4585]

Yes, today I paid 69.Well done then.

[ExpatLover]

Well done then.Yes but still a expensive club if you compare price to LU, too expensive for me.

[Argo1990]

Can anyone explain to me how this club works? I will be in Stuttgart for business the next 2 weeks and thought of checking it out. Unfortunately I will be stuck with public transport for my time here (unacceptable I know) so I want to make sure its worth visiting.

So you pay an entrance fee and then there are girls inside that you also have to pay for their services? There are no references / pictures online about the selection.

How many girls usually work there and how is the quality?

Comparable to Firma Schiller in the city center or Drei Farben Haus? (Those would be more convenient for me).

[ExpatLover]

Can anyone explain to me how this club works? I will be in Stuttgart for business the next 2 weeks and thought of checking it out. Unfortunately I will be stuck with public transport for my time here (unacceptable I know) so I want to make sure its worth visiting.

So you pay an entrance fee and then there are girls inside that you also have to pay for their services? There are no references / pictures online about the selection.

How many girls usually work there and how is the quality?

Comparable to Firma Schiller in the city center or Drei Farben Haus? (Those would be more convenient for me).It seems that the club is on a positive trend, try to visit it but may be not so convenient with public transportation, probably 50 to 80 girls, Schiller and farben Haus are not FKK but brothels for quick sex.

[TeFab456]

Can anyone explain to me how this club works? I will be in Stuttgart for business the next 2 weeks and thought of checking it out. Unfortunately I will be stuck with public transport for my time here (unacceptable I know) so I want to make sure its worth visiting.

So you pay an entrance fee and then there are girls inside that you also have to pay for their services? There are no references / pictures online about the selection.

How many girls usually work there and how is the quality?

Comparable to Firma Schiller in the city center or Drei Farben Haus? (Those would be more convenient for me).Usually people would probably tell you now to read the forum as all the info is there (albeit in bits and pieces). Alas, for sheer fond memories, here is the short young person's guide to Paradise from an occasional and happy customer.

Visit is only worth the effort if you have at least a few hours. After payment of the entrance fee you are allowed to enter (most people myself included take a shower before). You will find a large room with oriental style. Smaller smoking area is also bar area and often crowded. Larger nonsmoking area, nice and spacious and equipped with a few hanging beds which I like.

Usually around 20 or 25 girls, many from Romania, but I also met a German lady once, or a very beautiful Russian. They will wear lingerie or not even. I often found stunningly beautiful girls in Paradise, but that is not guaranteed. Anyway, sometimes girls of more everyday appearance can be very sexy. Rooms start with 50 for 30. Extras are possible.

In comparison Paradise is a smaller FKK, and has the advantage of a more relaxed atmosphere. I would alway prefer it over any Laufhaus.

[Argo1990]

Usually people would probably tell you now to read the forum as all the info is there (albeit in bits and pieces). Alas, for sheer fond memories, here is the short young person's guide to Paradise from an occasional and happy customer.

Visit is only worth the effort if you have at least a few hours. After payment of the entrance fee you are allowed to enter (most people myself included take a shower before). You will find a large room with oriental style. Smaller smoking area is also bar area and often crowded. Larger nonsmoking area, nice and spacious and equipped with a few hanging beds which I like.

Usually around 20 or 25 girls, many from Romania, but I also met a German lady once, or a very beautiful Russian. They will wear lingerie or not even. I often found stunningly beautiful girls in Paradise, but that is not guaranteed. Anyway, sometimes girls of more everyday appearance can be very sexy. Rooms start with 50 for 30. Extras are possible.

In comparison Paradise is a smaller FKK, and has the advantage of a more relaxed atmosphere. I would alway prefer it over any Laufhaus.Thank you very much for your thorough reply. I ended up not going unfortunately. Just went to this place called Schiller 3 times and to the big brothel in the city centre (which was quite disappointing in the looks and service department to be honest).

Is there any way for international guests to check which girls are working at the paradise at any given time? Any schedule? Any pictures of the girls?

I don't mind paying the entrance fee to find out. Its more that I don't necessarily have the time to be going through multiple brothels in one night and I don't want to waste my time on places that don't offer the type of girls that I am into.

[ExpatLover]

Thank you very much for your thorough reply. I ended up not going unfortunately. Just went to this place called Schiller 3 times and to the big brothel in the city centre (which was quite disappointing in the looks and service department to be honest).

Is there any way for international guests to check which girls are working at the paradise at any given time? Any schedule? Any pictures of the girls?

I don't mind paying the entrance fee to find out. Its more that I don't necessarily have the time to be going through multiple brothels in one night and I don't want to waste my time on places that don't offer the type of girls that I am into.Both places Schiller and paradise are bad, Stuttgart is globally bad for mongers, I lived there 6 months in 2016 and tried many things. The best one is probably FKK First in Sinsheim or recommend you to go on Kaufmich some very good experiences. Also don't try Pure Escort all the pictures are fake.

[Der Auslander]

Thank you very much for your thorough reply. I ended up not going unfortunately. Just went to this place called Schiller 3 times and to the big brothel in the city centre (which was quite disappointing in the looks and service department to be honest).

Is there any way for international guests to check which girls are working at the paradise at any given time? Any schedule? Any pictures of the girls?

I don't mind paying the entrance fee to find out. Its more that I don't necessarily have the time to be going through multiple brothels in one night and I don't want to waste my time on places that don't offer the type of girls that I am into.Friend if you ever get time to read this forum you will see that there are very few bad reports about FKK Paradise. Sure it doesnt have the lady selection that would be available in the Frankfurt Mega Clubs (Sharks / Oase) but its not too shabby. If you ever get the time and do some simple Google searches, you will discover that there is even an English language documentary on YouTube (made in 2014/2015) about this very FKK Club (with interviews with the WGs who were working at the time). The girls working back then are pretty similar in type to the girls working now. To assist a very busy man I provide a link to this same documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNOCyLZD06I. Maybe you will have time to look at this video. Maybe not! Unfortunately research takes time and you need time to prepare for a successful adventure. Failing to prepare is preparing to fail!

To my best knowledge the club no longer posts photos of the lovely ladies on their website and so you must take a chance. I note that despite TeFab456's kindness and best efforts, you choose to ignore his good advice. You probably had no time and were in a rush. May I suggest that when you do get the time (hopefully sooner rather than later) that you might RTFM and perhaps purchase a subscription to this great website. You seem to have the time to ask a whole load of questions and then not bother with the advice provided and in so doing, waste the time of those who were kind enough to reply to you in the first place. Perhaps if you were a paid up member or indeed had you contributed something to the Board (other than constant questions), I might take you and your queries a little more seriously! But then, you probably don't have the time to waste!

[ExpatLover]

Friend if you ever get time to read this forum you will see that there are very few bad reports about FKK Paradise. Sure it doesnt have the lady selection that would be available in the Frankfurt Mega Clubs (Sharks / Oase) but its not too shabby. If you ever get the time and do some simple Google searches, you will discover that there is even an English language documentary on YouTube (made in 2014/2015) about this very FKK Club (with interviews with the WGs who were working at the time). The girls working back then are pretty similar in type to the girls working now. To assist a very busy man I provide a link to this same documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNOCyLZD06I. Maybe you will have time to look at this video. Maybe not! Unfortunately research takes time and you need time to prepare for a successful adventure. Failing to prepare is preparing to fail!

To my best knowledge the club no longer posts photos of the lovely ladies on their website and so you must take a chance. I note that despite TeFab456's kindness and best efforts, you choose to ignore his good advice. You probably had no time and were in a rush. May I suggest that when you do get the time (hopefully sooner rather than later) that you might RTFM and perhaps purchase a subscription to this great website. You seem to have the time to ask a whole load of questions and then not bother with the advice provided and in so doing, waste the time of those who were kind enough to reply to you in the first place. Perhaps if you were a paid up member or indeed had you contributed something to the Board (other than constant questions), I might take you and your queries a little more seriously! But then, you probably don't have the time to waste!This club is a disaster, I will never recommend somebody to go there, last week I spoke with a German senior monger who confirm that the things are not improving and that many guys have blacklisted the club. Expensive, poor LU, upselling. Good for tourists.

[PayForIt]

Hoping to get to Paradise next week. Not been for 2 years. Had an amazing time with a tall stunning slim blonde last time. Wondered if any regular visitors might be happy to share who the popular girls / good service etc might be at present? Thanks.

[ExpatLover]

Hoping to get to Paradise next week. Not been for 2 years. Had an amazing time with a tall stunning slim blonde last time. Wondered if any regular visitors might be happy to share who the popular girls / good service etc might be at present? Thanks.Sorry but it is changing what to know what are the popular girls, just go and make your own experience.

[PayForIt]

So, having called for a heads up on line up and had no response, ventured to Paradise. Thursday night. "Dress day". Not just lingerie – but the whole fully dressed version. Was very much like being in a club in Spain – except it's 10 euros entry in Spain and not the 69 e entry here.

Checked into Moxy hotel – about 2-3 minutes walk max from the Club. Moxy is 15 e cab ride from the Airport. Really quick and easy and the hotel is funky.

Got to the club 7 pm. LU was fairly thin on the ground upon arrival and slowly diminished throughout the evening. Struck immediately by one very slim dark brunette with a terrific body and very large bolt ONS (bit of a turn off). She was taken quickly upon finishing her food, and only ventured out of the room on a few occasions (when I wasn't in a room) completely naked, still sporting the same excellent body, to attend the bar for drinks for her / her client. My guess is he booked her for 4-5 hours.

One pretty girl was Emma – dirty blonde / lovely floral dress which housed her considerable bolt ONS – very pretty face but was clear that she would be "heavy" when naked and I passed. She enjoyed several rooms and was clearly capable of pleasing her clients very quickly – on two occasions she was back in the main lounge inside 15 minutes. Did wonder how she could perform, then freshen up / clean / and return in that time.

My overall assessment of the LU at the club was that it was weak. Maybe 25 girls but no more than 3 I really wanted to engage with. My lack of German was more prohibitive than I've previously ever found in an FKK. Foods were good though the guy serving them up was truly unfriendly and miserable. FOB system for drinks (like Sharks / Palace / Oceans) instead of the ridiculous token system in Oase and Artemis.

Sat at bar awaiting the Europa League football (the LU was that good – not! Two very pretty Romanians arrive at my side – Antonia and Deya? Looked very much like sisters – dark eyes, huge false eyelashes, both under 25 and with very different but attractive bodies. Antonia slim, huge long talon nails, dark sultry girl, bee cups natural. Deya, heavier, large silicones, curvier but not at all fat and mysterious. Decided I'the warm up for the night with a threesome given the seemingly poor quality LU. Headed to room, both girls wanted to upsell BBBJ which I refused and said I'the have it covered. Nice time though quite mechanical even with two of them. Both had good skills. Antonia performs reverse cowgirl very well indeed. At 30 minutes thanked them for their time and got up. Both attempted to persuade me to extend to the hour. I explained I wouldn't do that given the CBJ. They said they'the be happy to do BBBJ if I did an hour with each. I politely declined. It genuinely annoys me that the girls use the change in law to eek out more money. Sure they take risks with enforcement (very low – how on earth can they be caught other than by LE in the club having blow jobs! But it is opportunism. I could of course have asked before we went to the room (and often do) but decided to see what they'the do. Enjoyed fun for 30 minutes but decided neither was really doing it for me so capped it at that.

Went for the professional massage – one hour 65 (slightly more expensive than most clubs) and worth every cent – she was superb and the highlight of my evening! Says everything.

Watched the Europa League. Got bored, contemplated leaving when a blonde girl with very high cheek bones and pretty sat down. Got talking to Anna – Romanian, training to be a lawyer and she was clearly very intelligent. Sounded very American – from movies she said – but her vocabulary was exceptional. Off to the room for a very nice 90 minutes. Not amazing but enjoyable as much for her intelligent company. Nice body though a cups only. Sensual girl. Knows how to tease a man properly and did so. BBBJ without asking and no attempt at upsell. Clearly not a "wham bam thank you Mam" girl. She said "I'm not a machine or a menu! Not heard that before. This was in response to a query about some extras. She came out with the "you decide the price when you have had the service" approach. No deal I say as we might disagree about the level of service. She thought this was hilarious! She got very aroused, had several orgasms which were clearly not faked, DKF without hesitation and indeed throughout the session she prompted more, and was keen to please. I won't go into the detail but several extras and 90 minutes later we return to the lockers and I give her 250 (which was right for the several services + time). She looks at the money and says "that is too much". Wow! Not very often you get a WG try to hand you money back. I explain my calculations and she confirms it's right but that she had a great time, and is happy to just say 50 for the extras (combined) and make it 200 e. I tell her that honesty and being nice brings its rewards and she can keep the 250. I have no idea if this was reverse psychology but either way it worked for her. Very nice lady – would repeat given the service and she rescued what would otherwise be a very disappointing night.

Not blown away and I think it will be some considerable time, work permitting, that I return to Paradise / Stuttgart.

[Rogue Nation]

Isn't it 79€ entrance? Paradise has been off my list for years.

[Frozty]

Not blown away and I think it will be some considerable time, work permitting, that I return to Paradise / Stuttgart.Thanks for the report. I have been away from the clubs for a year and am contemplating a trip here (after a first trip to Wellcum in a couple of weeks time). Stuttgart is amongst the most convenient of journeys for me and I have had some fun here in the past.

[PayForIt]

Isn't it 79 entrance? Paradise has been off my list for years.I think if you arrive before a certain time its less. Whatever it is. It's not cheap and the quality is not great. I don't dislike the club. It's fine. But limited compared to Hessen, NRW or Artemis for me.

[Rogue Nation]

Just checked their HP:

https://www.the-paradise.de/en/prices/

They actually lowered the price, it is 69 instead of 79 EUR now. 49 EUR before 6 pm. Business must be bad for them.

[ExpatLover]

Just checked their HP:

https://www.the-paradise.de/en/prices/

They actually lowered the price, it is 69 instead of 79 EUR now. 49 EUR before 6 pm. Business must be bad for them.Just look at my reports, all those clubs like Paradise, Oase, Artemis, Shark have lost a lot of local guys due to poor service, poor LU, poor management and high prices but at the end they have to come down to earth, tourists are not there every day, how to attract customers by lowering the prices not sure this will work at least not for me, Paradise was my favorite club in 2010 but never return there since 2016.

[ExpatLover]

I wanted to benefit from last day of reduced entry fee 49 vs 69, and I must say it was my best experience in the last 5 years. As usual the club was very clean, all the saunas were working not like in Shark, the staff was very friendly.

The LU was just the best I saw in the recent years, I can not believe that this was still possible in mid of 2018, at least 4 top stunners around 20 YO, fresh beautiful, definitively Shark and Oase can not compete. Ratio man to woman: 2 times more girls than man, the customers were mixed with Asian, Russian but far from what is happening in Shark, also I noticed many young educated man, who the girls were really hunting after.

Food was just the best I never had in a club.

Summary: I was expecting nothing but it was a great day at Paradise, exactly what it should be in all the big clubs, and what Shark or Oase should try to do.

[Si100]

I'll be in Stuttgart in June, I see that Paradise and Sakura are the most popular places to visit, is there any other FKK anyone would recommend? Is FKK Stuttgart (club Phoenix) any good? Also, apart from "underwear day" etc are the girls still fully naked in these clubs?

Thanks.

[Stuggi]

I think the owner of the Paradise is a stupid man! I mean the only thing that is missing are the German girls. RO and BULG you can have anywhere. Why doesn't he lure-in some German girls with special offers: free entrance / admission or other bonus? Then the club would be not so bad. German Girls that is the point! For me at least and many other men too. And of course the Para is a pure winter-club. Other clubs do have swimming pool outside and stuff like that. I prefer Sharks but the service there man, the last months went down too. The girls are not hungry anymore. The Asians pay any price and after that the girls get lazy. I don't judge, I can understand the setting: why working the sweet little ass off for 50 if an Asians gave you already 200 for a good blowjob and 5 min sex?!

[ExpatLover]

I think the owner of the Paradise is a stupid man! I mean the only thing that is missing are the German girls. RO and BULG you can have anywhere. Why doesn't he lure-in some German girls with special offers: free entrance / admission or other bonus? Then the club would be not so bad. German Girls that is the point! For me at least and many other men too. And of course the Para is a pure winter-club. Other clubs do have swimming pool outside and stuff like that. I prefer Sharks but the service there man, the last months went down too. The girls are not hungry anymore. The Asians pay any price and after that the girls get lazy. I don't judge, I can understand the setting: why working the sweet little ass off for 50 if an Asians gave you already 200 for a good blowjob and 5 min sex?!Very few German girls in the clubs, most of them have mental issues. The girls want to win as much cash possible by giving the less service possible, therefor for 50 euros hard to get great things. But in the US or Canada. You are getting nothing for 50 euros.

[Flooo277]

So I was in every club in this Germany big and small. Maybe I'm crazy but this is the way I relax my life. I'm a man after all).

So there are a lot of good clubs but after time I realize that I like more the medium clubs, they are more relaxing not so much much crazy people and more girls for me haha.

I was last week at a club name: FKK Paradise. This is in Stuttgart near the city and airport. I like there so much is clean, the food is so so good, they have a pool, jacuzzy, a lot of things. The girls are so beautiful and nice!

I meet this blonde with blue eyes name Emi from Romania but she looks like German. She is so nice, natural and I think she don't do this job only for money she really likes people and she makes everything included sex and all so fun and relaxing. I stay with her 2 hours and believe me I want more but I was needed to go home pay her 300€ with extras but worth every money!

So if you want a relaxing time and going home happy you must go there!

[Flooo277]

So I was in every club in this Germany big and small. Maybe I'm crazy but this is the way I relax my life. I'm a man after all).

So there are a lot of good clubs but after time I realize that I like more the medium clubs, they are more relaxing not so much much crazy people and more girla for me haha.

I was last week at a club name: FKK Paradise. This is in Stuttgart near the city and airport. I like there so much is clean, the food is so so good, they have a pool, jacuzzy, a lot of things. The girls are so beautiful and nice!

I meet this blonde with blue eyes name Emi from Romania but she looks like German. She is so nice, natural and I think she don't do this job only for money she really likes people and she makes everything included sex and all so fun and relaxing. I stay with her 2 hours and believe me I want more but I was needed to go home pay her 300€ with extras but worth every money!

So if you want a relaxing time and going home happy you must go there!

[Kuni042]

That *is* the point.


...... RO and BULG you can have anywhere. .... German Girls that is the point! For me at least and many other men too.Well said! There are still quite some few in GT. But that place (GT) is so crowded. The hooker market is indeed flooded with RO and BULG. And they work at a price the Germans are not really feeling compelled to prostitute. Just think about it. The average wage in Bulgaria is 400 euros. So 8 rooms and a Bulgarian has earned what she would be doing on average in BULG. In Germany average salary is 1600 euros. For this to achieve the German had to do 32 rooms.

In other words. An earning of 50 euros appears 4 times lower than it appears to a Bulgarian!

[Chongmal]

That *is* the point.

Well said!! There are still quite some few in GT. But that place (GT) is so crowded. The hooker market is indeed flooded with RO and BULG. And they work at a price the Germans are not really feeling compelled to prostitute. Just think about it. The average wage in Bulgaria is 400 euros. So 8 rooms and a bulgarian has earned what she would be doing on average in BULG. In Germany average salary is 1600 euros. For this to achieve the german had to do 32 rooms.

In other words. An earning of 50 euros appears 4 times lower than it appears to a bulgarian!!The money realized by the women is much lower than many men believe. First, the average operating cost for women, even at clubs with lower entry costs, is about €3000, regardless of which country they come from. Secondly, the money earned cs the cost of living is equal or more for a lady who has I'm. Igrated here from a country with a lower cost of living. The only place the lower cost of living back home comes into play is when they return home and spend what money they managed to save. With the new registration, this is even less than before after they pay taxes. Even for a German, €6000 per month is quite nice and well above the standard earnings. I think the big issue is the German ladies are hesitant to register and be officially recognized as prostitutes.

[ExpatLover]

That *is* the point.

Well said!! There are still quite some few in GT. But that place (GT) is so crowded. The hooker market is indeed flooded with RO and BULG. And they work at a price the Germans are not really feeling compelled to prostitute. Just think about it. The average wage in Bulgaria is 400 euros. So 8 rooms and a bulgarian has earned what she would be doing on average in BULG. In Germany average salary is 1600 euros. For this to achieve the german had to do 32 rooms.

In other words. An earning of 50 euros appears 4 times lower than it appears to a bulgarian!!And what about so many sugar dad around willing to pay a lot of cash every month.

[Member #4636]

The money realized by the women is much lower than many men believe. First, the average operating cost for women, even at clubs with lower entry costs, is about 3000, regardless of which country they come from.s.Could you describe what is included in the operating cost? I assume you have added rent, clothes and other expenses?

[Slayer666]

Got to say the LU at Paradise Stuttgart on a Friday / Saturday is better than anything I've seen at Sharks / Oase / Sakura. Each to his own though.

[Incognito2001]

Hello,

I am thinking about stopping by at Paradise during the day on Monday, since I will be passing through. Has anyone been there during the day (2 PM-5 PM) on Monday? I assume the place may be dead, but how dead are they? Appreciate your advise.

Thank you,

I.

[Connact999]

First time in Europe and really wanting to hit up an FKK in Stuttgart and figured Paradise was probably the best bet for a first timer (or do you recommend Sakura? I think I got the whole thing figured out but curious what the going rate was for 30 minutes or an hour? I have heard 150 euro for an hour but didn't want to get ripped off. All cash I assume as well?

[ExpatLover]

First time in Europe and really wanting to hit up an FKK in Stuttgart and figured Paradise was probably the best bet for a first timer (or do you recommend Sakura? I think I got the whole thing figured out but curious what the going rate was for 30 minutes or an hour? I have heard 150 euro for an hour but didn't want to get ripped off. All cash I assume as well?There is no more a fix rule, you can get some good session for 50 but more and more difficult especially if you are not a well know guy in the club. Paradise is the place where probably it will be hard to get 50 euros session, or just very and mechanical one.

[CaptRenno]

. ... curious what the going rate was for 30 minutes or an hour? I have heard 150 euro for an hour but didn't want to get ripped off. All cash I assume as well?Yes, obviously all cash. I had a good time here with a German girl in March (see my review) for 100 Euros for one hour. I did not inquire about extras but she let me unload on her boobs for that price. I think some girls will still do 30 minutes for a half hour, but my impression is that the girls would rather do sessions that cost 100 Euros. So either one hour for 100 or 30 minutes for 100 with some extras included (such as CIM, BBBJ etc.).

You have to talk to the girls and negotiate a bit. Be up front about what you're willing to pay and for how long. If one girls says no, then move on and try someone else. There are guidelines but ultimately everything is negotiable.

[Incognito2001]

I was in the area for a night, so decided to check Paradise. This was the first visit for a while.

Arrived there around 8 PM on Sat. The place was not too happening, but but enough ladies (about 30+) and maybe as many guys. Just a quick look around, the quality of the ladies are a bit disappointing, compared to ones I saw at FKK LR or FKK Palace a few month ago. (I am just an occasional visitor.).

Hang around and spoke some ladies on and off, but could not find anyone who made me go WOW. To make a long story short, then around 10 PM I saw someone I saw last year. Micha from Romania. She did have a boob job (good) and some lip job (totally not necessary.), but looked best at night (at least for me), so I decided to try her again, since I know she was an "Optifuck" I like at FKK. She may not be GFE+PSE, but for the first time in a year (for her, I was a new client), she was accommodating enough to give me a good BJ with eye contacts. She may not be an everyone's favorite, but if you like a blonde model type with nice body. She is good to go. In the end, paid E100 for 30 MIN (Kiss, DIY) and Cum over her tities, and I was happy. Personally, I prefer her previous look without her lip job, but with the lip job, she now looks a bit more slutty, so if that is your thing rather than pretty next door model type, then you may like her better now.

Micha (Ro), 25? 165-170, Blonde (fake), Blue eyes.

E100 for 30 min (so-called full service). Finished with Cum over her tits.

Looks 8. Attitude 7. Overall 8.

After that, I went to a Sauna, ate, drunk and chilled for a while till 12 AM. By then, more guys were there, with no increase for girls. I was aiming for one more for the road, but the other Romanian chick was either talking to some guys or MIA (maybe in a room with clients.), and it was getting late. Then suddenly Micha came up and said Hello. After a short chat, I decided to go with her again. This time, a bit more nicer since we already knew each other. Yeah, so-called full service for E100 is expensive, but for an Optifuck like her, I would like to enjoy all she has.

Micha (Ro), the same like above.

E100 for 30 min (full service).

Overall 8.

Then, I left the place after another Sauna.

The lineup was not as good as I had thought. Without Micha, I would be very disappointed.

[Maxime]

In the end, paid E100 for 30 MIN (Kiss, DIY) and Cum over her tities, and I was happy.

E100 for 30 min (so-called full service). Finished with Cum over her tits.
And other mongers are surprised girls in the "Tourist Clubs" do not perform anymore for Euro 50. (which is still the "standard rate" for DFK, BBBJ, Covered sex, etc only for CIM / CIF the surcharge is +50! Please do not overpay the girls for no reason!

[Optimist]

This is the reason that two experienced members who know better than I, have recently advised that for many visitors Spain is a better deal than FKK.

[ExpatLover]

And other mongers are surprised girls in the "Tourist Clubs" do not perform anymore for Euro 50. (which is still the "standard rate" for DFK, BBBJ, Covered sex, etc only for CIM / CIF the surcharge is +50! Please do not overpay the girls for no reason!Sorry but BBBJ and COB is standard in a 50 euro session if it is the first session with her? Let us be a bit reasonable.

[ExpatLover]

This is the reason that two experienced members who know better than I, have recently advised that for many visitors Spain is a better deal than FKK.The clubs are not FKK, many of them very dark inside so very difficult for high demanding guy like me to really see the girl in detail or to have a good idea about the quality of her skin which is key for me.

[Incognito2001]

And other mongers are surprised girls in the "Tourist Clubs" do not perform anymore for Euro 50. (which is still the "standard rate" for DFK, BBBJ, Covered sex, etc only for CIM / CIF the surcharge is +50! Please do not overpay the girls for no reason!Yeah. I understand I may have paid too much, since I had not been there for a while, but "Cum over tits + sucking the cum-soaked dick" were included, so thought it was not too overpaid (not sure how much people would pay for these.). Plus, as far as I remember, the most good looking girls from the place would not kiss, BBBJ, nor let us DIY, without +E50 deal (they call this Full Service, as you are aware recent years.) Of course, if I do want normal sex with no extra, I just pay E50 for 30 min.

[Sirioja]

This is the reason that two experienced members who know better than I, have recently advised that for many visitors Spain is a better deal than FKK.Maybe for rate, but for quality, FKK land, even NL and Austria, are far higher level for me than Spain. Maybe easier to get AO in low level privates in Spain. Romanian girls are much more attractive.

[UltraHappy]

Maybe for rate, but for quality, FKK land, even NL and Austria, are far higher level for me than Spain. Romanian girls are much more attractive.I was under the impression that many of the girls in Spain were in fact Romanian. Is this not the case?

[ExpatLover]

I was under the impression that many of the girls in Spain were in fact Romanian. Is this not the case?Probably 70 to 90 of all the girls being prostitutes in Europe are from Romania. But this also will soon ending.

[Gracias100]

Can anyone tell if they still have free entry before 6 pm on weekdays?

[Sirioja]

I was under the impression that many of the girls in Spain were in fact Romanian. Is this not the case?Many Latina types or low level Romanians. I find higher level Romanians in FKK land and I need to be motivated.

[Odiacz]

Visited Paradise for the second time (as other FKK clubs in Germany). Great facilities, beautiful girls and pricewise as such ok.

However, if you book 30 minutes or an hour, once you are done they stop the show and go on. Even if it is after 15 minutes. I experienced this in other clubs as well. In other words, never book an hour. On top they are adding surcharges for everything and at the end ask for a tip.

Enjoy but be aware about this.

[Rogue Nation]

Visited Paradise for the second time (as other FKK clubs in Germany). Great facilities, beautiful girls and pricewise as such ok.

However, if you book 30 minutes or an hour, once you are done they stop the show and go on. Even if it is after 15 minutes. I experienced this in other clubs as well. In other words, never book an hour. On top they are adding surcharges for everything and at the end ask for a tip.

Enjoy but be aware about this.The club is well known for upselling and average to low service levels.

[XXL]

I had great hopes for this my first call since January 2018 at what had been one of my most regular club for years. Like everything one looks forward to with eager anticipation, this visit was mildly disappointing.

There was no upselling up front to 100 euros like in the Hessen big clubs but only girl number 3 whom I'd sessioned in the past didn't put on the condom right away without asking. She got 50 + 20. The previous two got 50 + 0.

God I hate those baby perfumed wipes girls use on their pussies! Shaving, deo-wiping, next step they'll have their pussy removed for sure. The chemical silicone smell of sexbots is more of a turn on than this.

Like its namesake in Saarebruecken this FKK has very poorly lit rooms. Whatever lighting there is is stupidly positioned so you get blinded by it and see even less. On the plus side, girls in the main hall sat and strolled around really naked. Instructions against waist-towelling were likely in force.

LU increased as the evening wore on. M / F ratio 5:1. When I left at 9 pm the club was a pussy fest. Not many lookers apparently but I now wonder whether this might not have something to do with the subdued lighting everywhere (clusters of girls smoking in the half-light and not coming into their own).

Tony, the shrill-voiced cook who is something of an institution here and quite a character, was on holiday and that may have been why the food was not up to its usual standard.

[MaxSquatter]

More and more women (even general population) are obsessed with having no smell and no hair. Part of the appeal of sex is its dirty nature. Only occasionally do girls at these clubs seem comfortable with that. Do any girls let their pubes grow at this club?


I had great hopes for this my first call since January 2018 at what had been one of my most regular club for years. Like everything one looks forward to with eager anticipation, this visit was mildly disappointing.

There was no upselling up front to 100 euros like in the Hessen big clubs but only girl number 3 whom I'd sessioned in the past didn't put on the condom right away without asking. She got 50 + 20. The previous two got 50 + 0.

God I hate those baby perfumed wipes girls use on their pussies! Shaving, deo-wiping, next step they'll have their pussy removed for sure. The chemical silicone smell of sexbots is more of a turn on than this.

Like its namesake in Saarebruecken this FKK has very poorly lit rooms. Whatever lighting there is is stupidly positioned so you get blinded by it and see even less. On the plus side, girls in the main hall sat and strolled around really naked. Instructions against waist-towelling were likely in force.

LU increased as the evening wore on. M / F ratio 5:1. When I left at 9 pm the club was a pussy fest. Not many lookers apparently but I now wonder whether this might not have something to do with the subdued lighting everywhere (clusters of girls smoking in the half-light and not coming into their own).

Tony, the shrill-voiced cook who is something of an institution here and quite a character, was on holiday and that may have been why the food was not up to its usual standard.

[ExpatLover]

More and more women (even general population) are obsessed with having no smell and no hair. Part of the appeal of sex is its dirty nature. Only occasionally do girls at these clubs seem comfortable with that. Do any girls let their pubes grow at this club?No of course except may be 1 or 2 MILF with a little metro ticket.

[Kuni042]

Can someone compare this FKK Paradise with some of the other famous clubs (e. G. LR, GT, YY, Oceans, Sharks, Mainhattan, Palace)?

I may have the option to swing by on a Thursday soon. Clubs like Oceans would be deserted. Clubs like Sharks would be a blast.

[ExpatLover]

Can someone compare this FKK Paradise with some of the other famous clubs (e. G. LR, GT, YY, Oceans, Sharks, Mainhattan, Palace)?

I may have the option to swing by on a Thursday soon. Clubs like Oceans would be deserted. Clubs like Sharks would be a blast.Nice premises, very good food, great sauna but are we going there for that, the LU is fluctuating a lot, mostly veteran girls from Romania, few real beauty, few fresh girls, definitively not to compare with Shark even the LU is also going down a lot.

[Banana Boi]

How much is taxi between Paradise and Sakura? Trying to decide if I should ditch my car and train to Stuttgart on my way to Switzerland or keep my car rental for a week for Stuttgart and Zurich clubs.

My apologies I hate questions like this but this will be my first visit to Stuttgart. Any other good options in Stuttgart? Decent brothels like those in Cologne and Duisburg?

[Delta Indigo]

How much is taxi between Paradise and Sakura? Trying to decide if I should ditch my car and train to Stuttgart on my way to Switzerland or keep my car rental for a week for Stuttgart and Zurich clubs.

My apologies I hate questions like this but this will be my first visit to Stuttgart. Any other good options in Stuttgart? Decent brothels like those in Cologne and Duisburg?A lot I did this once, it was something like 60 Euros. Public transport is not that difficult, all trams or ubahn all the way with one stop, I do not recommend this option.

Sakura is way better for service with some very nice girls, Paradise has a better lineup but is notorious for upselling, it also has the most expensive alcoholic drinks of all of Germany.

[ExpatLover]

How much is taxi between Paradise and Sakura? Trying to decide if I should ditch my car and train to Stuttgart on my way to Switzerland or keep my car rental for a week for Stuttgart and Zurich clubs.

My apologies I hate questions like this but this will be my first visit to Stuttgart. Any other good options in Stuttgart? Decent brothels like those in Cologne and Duisburg?Better to keep your rental car, so much more flexibility and also will push you not to drink alcohol.

[Maxime]

Also would recommend Sakura over Paradise when in that area, especially from the service attitude of the girls.

Sakura is east by car from CH, and parking around the club also.

[Incognito2001]

Since I was staying in the hotel near the airport, I stopped by around 3 PM on one Wed in November.

The place was completely dead, as expected. It was simply too early, so decided to wait by going to a sauna and napping on the couch. Around 5 PM, a few more ladies started showing up and one girl approached me. Her name was Flori (Ro, 25? She had a vey nice smile, more like a cute college type. She seemed to be a cute and nice enough, so I decided to go to a room with her.

Flori (Ro, 25 yrs, 165 cm+, brown eyes with fake blonde hair).

We picked a room with a mirror up on the ceiling, so it was very nice to see this pretty girl working on me. She was very friendly and accommodating in the room. Even without mentioning extra, she started kissing me from the beginning. I know at Paradise, many girls asked for extra 50 for Kissing (so-called GF Service), so I was a bit surprised. In a good way. I did BJ, DFK, DATY, 69, and several positions with CIM / Tits finish. 1 Hour, 100 E + 50 E xtra for CIM / tits. CIM was not probably necessary, but for some reason I asked for it. After we were done, we just chilled and talked for a while. As I mentioned, she may not be a model type I usually like, but she is a cute college / coffeeshop type girl and I was satisfied at the end. I would give her A- for the service. I would repeat her.

Now, after 6:30, I started seeing more girls showing up, but unfortunately I had to take some calls for my work, so I had to leave. What a waste for the E69 entry fee.

This place may not be my favourite FKK, but for an occasional visitor like myself, the location is very convenient.

I,

[Argo1990]

They do have multiple pricing options. 69 for the entire day. Then 30 for direct entrance and a 3rd option.

I get the day price but how exactly does the direct entrance work? Like. How do you get to pick a girl?

Also an additional question. How many girls usually work on a regular weekday evening?

[XXL]

Now, after 6:30, I started seeing more girls showing up, but unfortunately I had to take some calls for my work, so I had to leave. What a waste for the E69 entry fee.

This place may not be my favourite FKK, but for an occasional visitor like myself, the location is very convenient.

I,6 pm is the time to arrive at this club. Shortly before the evening meal. If you check into a hotel early better have a 2-hour nap at the hotel before going to the club.

I visited this club once a month for 3 years. The only times I drew blank was when I visited too early.

[TheGreenArrow]

6 pm is the time to arrive at this club. Shortly before the evening meal. If you check into a hotel early better have a 2-hour nap at the hotel before going to the club.

I visited this club once a month for 3 years. The only times I drew blank was when I visited too early.It is better in the evening. But still not bad in day time. Tried after a long time. Upsell is the like in all clubs. For a one hour time in the room it was OK service and I have to paid normal one hour and left 20 for tip. The food is top quality. Good experience, but no like some years before. Still OK when we also make a compare to another clubs.

[ExpatLover]

It is better in the evening. But still not bad in day time. Tried after a long time. Upsell is the like in all clubs. For a one hour time in the room it was OK service and I have to paid normal one hour and left 20 for tip. The food is top quality. Good experience, but no like some years before. Still OK when we also make a compare to another clubs.Visited yesterday arrived at 11 am, less than 5 girls it was expected, around 3 pm may be 12 girls. Premises are getting old they need a strong redecoration, food was as always great. I left without any room, the girls were just average for me and very aggressive, Hallo Schatzy. I can t hear that, not one a little bit classy girl, all rude and really smelling the cheap prostitute. I think they have a hard job so many old man probably around 70+ with so so body, and the girls still are going to the room with them. Will wait several months before returning.

[Nooky Ninja]

Anyone seen Debbie, used to work at Artemis Berlin (maybe 3 years ago)? Heard she might be at P. though I guess Sakura also a possibility
Medium height, brown hair, see Cups, German / Turkish, super friendly? If so, has her name changed and when typically is she there?

Thanks for any help.

[Danny227]

Can be OK if I have a few hours to kill Thursday morning? Say 12:00-18:00.

[Sirioja]

Can be OK if I have a few hours to kill Thursday morning? Say 12:00-18:00.Yes to take foods for breakfast, but should be dead for girls. Go to visit Porsche.

[Danny227]

Yes to take foods for breakfast, but should be dead for girls. Go to visit Porsche.Gotcha, thanks Siri.

[Donova]

My last visit to the Paradise was already some months ago. Nevertheless here are some lines about this. In general the club is located close to the airport and concerning the interior excellent. I love the food and the sauna area. However the place is ladies-wise not in a good shape. Normal room rate is 50430 or 100460. On average this includes kissing, BJ (various pos.), sometimes fingering included, 6. No tip needed!

Concerning the line-up I would expect average 6-8 looking girls (1-10 highest) for the entrance fee of ca. 70 EUR. I found 4-6 average there (maybe due to my bad taste). What concerns me really is the upsell and tip handling. I can understand if the girls try but with a "no" I felt the service level dropping gradually (again maybe I picked some bad fruits). With tips I have generally a problem especially when they become expected right from the beginning.

However since there are still quite some people visiting the place the girls must be obviously doing everything right.

There will be quite some time before I had back for the next Paradise-trial.

[Bruhbruh]

Is Patricia still working there? She is the short haired blonde German MILF with lots of tattoos.

[BartthePimpSon]

How is this place these days? My trip to Europe ends next week and I'm considering spending my last day here.

[Jetjo776]

How is this place these days? My trip to Europe ends next week and I'm considering spending my last day here.Did you end up going? I'll be there the following weekend, will certainly freshen up the reporting on this one.

Jet.

[BigWhiteDragon]

I went to Sakura last month on a Monday evening. I know it's a lame day but was the one available for me. There were very few girls, about 12-15, about one for each guy.

The club is very nice and clean. Buffet is OK.

I don't take long to choose girls, usually I look at them for 5 minutes and make my mind. I choose I vet, a beautiful, thin, blonde Romanian girl. I agreed to do the basic for 50, but in the bedroom I changed my mind and decided to BBBJ for another 50. She did a fine job in the BJ and she was regular in bed.

The girls there were nice but not awesome. I don't know how it is in other days of the week, but may worth trying.

[Maxime]

I went to Sakura last month on a Monday evening. I know it's a lame day but was the one available for me. There were very few girls, about 12-15, about one for each guy.

The club is very nice and clean. Buffet is OK.

I don't take long to choose girls, usually I look at them for 5 minutes and make my mind. I choose I vet, a beautiful, thin, blonde Romanian girl. I agreed to do the basic for 50, but in the bedroom I changed my mind and decided to BBBJ for another 50. She did a fine job in the BJ and she was regular in bed.

The girls there were nice but not awesome. I don't know how it is in other days of the week, but may worth trying.Thanks for the report. Is it about Sakura? Then it should be in another thread.

BBBJ should be part of the standard package, NEVER pay 50 euro extra for this in German clubs (or it will end like Sharks, where you can not get decent service anymore for Euro 50.).

[BrahmaPoutre]

Thanks for the report. Is it about Sakura? Then it should be in another thread.

BBBJ should be part of the standard package, NEVER pay 50 euro extra for this in German clubs (or it will end like Sharks, where you can not get decent service anymore for Euro 50.).What are you talking about?

BBBJ is not anymore in the standard package because it is now forbidden in Germany!

It is now up to the girl to decide whether to do it or not.

I would personally accept the deal whatever other says here in this forum, especially from the ones who almost do not share anything here and only give lessons to the others.

[Sirioja]

What are you talking about?

BBBJ is not anymore in the standard package because it is now forbidden in Germany!

It is now up to the girl to decide whether to do it or not.

I would personally accept the deal whatever other says here in this forum, especially from the ones who almost do not share anything here and only give lessons to the others.Forbidden but still very standard in Germany and what is forbidden is more enjoyable. Yes, many grocers for sex, we don't all live same way for sex.

[BigBuddy69]

I always get BBBJ in Germany and I never pay more but since you like to spend your money, you should try Paradise, it has an even worse reputation than the big Frankfurt clubs for upselling.

[BrahmaPoutre]

I always get BBBJ in Germany and I never pay more but since you like to spend your money, you should try Paradise, it has an even worse reputation than the big Frankfurt clubs for upselling.So you must have forgotten to write here about your rooms at 50 euros with BBBJ. So don't give lessons to the others!

[Delta Indigo]

What are you talking about?

BBBJ is not anymore in the standard package because it is now forbidden in Germany!

It is now up to the girl to decide whether to do it or not.

I would personally accept the deal whatever other says here in this forum, especially from the ones who almost do not share anything here and only give lessons to the others.I have been to Sakura quite a few times, both before and after the new law. BBBJ is always included in Sakura for me. No one has even tried to upsell this there. However Paradise is a different story. One ex Sakura girl tried to upsell but backed down after I gave her a funny look. If this argument is about Germany in general you have a point, but at Sakura it has never been extra for me.

[BrahmaPoutre]

I have been to Sakura quite a few times, both before and after the new law. BBBJ is always included in Sakura for me. No one has even tried to upsell this there. However Paradise is a different story. One ex Sakura girl tried to upsell but backed down after I gave her a funny look. If this argument is about Germany in general you have a point, but at Sakura it has never been extra for me.I agree that it depends on the club and you will still find it in clubs everywhere. No problems with that. I only pointed out that it is not true anymore to tell that BBBJ is included in the standard package, at least not in the same way as it used to be before the new law.

If a girl tell you now that standard service is with covered blowjob, then there is nothing you can do in order to change her mind.

[Sirioja]

I agree that it depends on the club and you will still find it in clubs everywhere. No problems with that. I only pointed out that it is not true anymore to tell that BBBJ is included in the standard package, at least not in the same way as it used to be before the new law.

If a girl tell you now that standard service is with covered blowjob, then there is nothing you can do in order to change her mind.I'm not a beggar nor a grocer for sex, I usually don't ask, I start taking care of the girl, wishing after she will to give me back. Sometimes on discovery, some girls are used to provide CBJ, so when they take condom, I tell them: let s go for sex, they are surprised and ask: but You don t want BJ? So I explain them I don't feel anything while CBJ, then most of time when they had orgasmus on DATY, they natural BJ to please me back. When not too much gel, not like last night with a too professional Aphrodisia girl, I can feel when fucking with condom, but when most are not so skillful for BJ, CBJ is really waste of time and money. Didn't work on last night when I drove 1000 kms to meet her, but usually when You give to these girls, You will get back, and right now, good old BJ is still very standard in Germany, but only very few girls are skillful to suck. Problem is WGs and not only little Romanians have no knowledge of sexuality, with really poor, low level sexuality in their private life. Pimps don t seem so performing for sex.

[Tedesco]

Filing for insolvency - https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.grossbordell-bei-stuttgart-insolvenzverfahren-fuer-das-bordell-paradise-eroeffnet.e721c63d-6276-46f8-a08b-392898521d6b.html.

[Sebastiane]

Filing for insolvency - https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.grossbordell-bei-stuttgart-insolvenzverfahren-fuer-das-bordell-paradise-eroeffnet.e721c63d-6276-46f8-a08b-392898521d6b.html.That's sad news. I wonder if the Covid19 was the last straw that broke the camel's back. It does say they have 2 weeks to object to insolvency. If this Covid19 lasts a couple more months I'm sure more clubs will go under but I'm surprised at Paradise because it was one of the mega-brothels making millions. I wonder if someone else will buy it and open it again under new management. Have so many memories of that place it would be a shame if it shuts its doors for ever.

[Fake It]

Filing for insolvency - https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.grossbordell-bei-stuttgart-insolvenzverfahren-fuer-das-bordell-paradise-eroeffnet.e721c63d-6276-46f8-a08b-392898521d6b.html.I've only been a victim of credit card fraud once in my life. I'm almost certain it was at this establishment that my card was cloned when I stupidly paid entry by card. Therefore, I for one, am not so sympathetic to see this.

It was no doubt nice venue, but if they were knowingly ripping off customer credit cards, then they where obviously not totally above bored. Venues in Switzerland for example are very card friendly. If you're willing to swallow the fee.

Anyways. I'm just saying that this might have been a long time coming. And not a sign of the times.

[Delta Indigo]

Filing for insolvency - https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.grossbordell-bei-stuttgart-insolvenzverfahren-fuer-das-bordell-paradise-eroeffnet.e721c63d-6276-46f8-a08b-392898521d6b.html.I wonder if someone else will buy up the venue. I second one of the responses below. This was a very sharky club first of all which may or may not have anything to do with their business model, but Sakura usually offered much better service. Also a bottle of red wine was 65 Euros here, totally ridiculous, even by swiss standards.

A bottle of Red wine was around 35 Euros at World, 30 in Sharks and 25 in Oase, in reverse order of value for money from girls IMHO.

There were strange things about this place although the place itself looked nice, if someone else buys it up like they did with Great Palace, they might massively improve the venue.

[Citizen Kane]

Filing for insolvency - https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.grossbordell-bei-stuttgart-insolvenzverfahren-fuer-das-bordell-paradise-eroeffnet.e721c63d-6276-46f8-a08b-392898521d6b.html.Sounds more like dodgy management that a poor business model.

[CuriousExplore]

Filing for insolvency - https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.grossbordell-bei-stuttgart-insolvenzverfahren-fuer-das-bordell-paradise-eroeffnet.e721c63d-6276-46f8-a08b-392898521d6b.html.Because of the less than positive reviews for this club (particularly the sharky behaviors), Paradise was lower on my list of clubs to visit. Nonetheless, I had planned to visit it some time, if only to get a sense of its scale and to complete my tour, so really hope the club would be re-opened eventually (preferably with better management). Would appreciate an update when there are new developments.

[Ashachhu9]

Filing for insolvency - https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.grossbordell-bei-stuttgart-insolvenzverfahren-fuer-das-bordell-paradise-eroeffnet.e721c63d-6276-46f8-a08b-392898521d6b.html.That's really sad.

Don't have much of experience with the other FKK's but I visit this place every time I visit Stuttgart.

So many memories.

Really hope if someone could make something out of this place.

Ash.

[PumDiPum]

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[Gratass65]

I miss this place. Hopefully it will start up again. Is there any news regarding this?

[JinchoXXX]

I miss this place. Hopefully it will start up again. Is there any news regarding this?The website is still showing the COVID closure page: https://www.the-paradise.de/.

[Calidor]

Might be a change?


The website is still showing the COVID closure page: https://www.the-paradise.de/.

[Jonhny]

Might be a change?There is a new website FKK Paradise. De and it shows it is open. Has anyone visited it lately.

[AdamCki]

There is a new website FKK Paradise. De and it shows it is open. Has anyone visited it lately.The Paradise at that website is the one in Saarbrucken, not in Stuttgart. The one in Stuttgart for what I know is closed and may be definitive?

[Delta Indigo]

This enormous mega club is reopening on October 14th. It has a new name, I think the club website is called the-luxor. De.

So maybe this will be an option to consider, I love mega clubs and I was sad to see this place close although it was notorious for up selling in the past.

[Frozty]

This enormous mega club is reopening on October 14th. It has a new name, I think the club website is called the-luxor. De.

So maybe this will be an option to consider, I love mega clubs and I was sad to see this place close although it was notorious for up selling in the past.This is interesting news. I would love to hear from anyone that has visited.

[NorthernSpirit]

This is interesting news. I would love to hear from anyone that has visited.Now The Luxor has been open for a while. Anyone had the chance to visit and could share their experience?

Planning a visit to Frankfurt in February and wondering if The Luxor would deserve a detour.

[Sirioja]

Now The Luxor has been open for a while. Anyone had the chance to visit and could share their experience?

Planning a visit to Frankfurt in February and wondering if The Luxor would deserve a detour.Yes for Porsche.

[Grven3]

I visited luxor the other day (early afternoon midweek). At first there were only 3-4 girls on the floor. Maybe one cute one but I decided to hold out for better choices. About an hour later, there were about 10 girls or so but they were mainly eating lunch, hanging out at the bar. Eventually I picked "Lucy". Nice romaine, athletic tight body with fake boobs. She sat down and had a nice conversation with me, not aggressive or anything. FS+BBBJ was 100, CIM would be an extra 50. In the room, she was very passionate, lots of kissing, not quite DFK but not tight lipped either. Nice BBBJ skills, no service to the balls (that's extra). Did the usual positions, CG, Mish, Doggie. Nice and tight and she let me go as hard as I wanted. Plenty of energy, great attitude.

Afterwards, I had lunch and relaxed. Food spread wasnt so great. It was mid-afternoon now, maybe a dozen girls. I decided to go with a girl named "Athena" I THINK. Or something like that. She's romainian, blonde, big fake boobs, athletic body. I kind of had a bad feeling about her from our short conversation, but I saw two guys take her upstairs so I figured she should be good. My mistake. No passionate at all. Tight closed lip kissing, barely. She wouldn't even let my near her nipples. BBBJ was ok. She wouldn't do doggie, only like sideways mish. I was able to get her on top but she wasn't so energetic. I decided to op for CIM but she couldn't get me there and gave up pretty quick. Overall, I wish I had seen Lucy again.

Anyways, I'm glad I met Lucy. It's unfortunate the price is so much higher now, but it's been like 10 yrs since I've been to an FKK.

[NorthernSpirit]

I visited luxor the other day (early afternoon midweek)...Thanks for an informative report, and the first one for The Luxor.

Seems though that I could just as well stay in Frankfurt on my trip, and avoid the hassle of going to Stuttgart.

[Hyperion2007]

I visited luxor the other day (early afternoon midweek)Thanks for that report for a club with so few information available.


Seems though that I could just as well stay in Frankfurt on my trip, and avoid the hassle of going to Stuttgart.It seems that outside of Sharks, Artemis and some clubs in NRW, almost all the clubs in Germany struggle with a poor line-up. I have a visit planned in March to Stuttgart and I hope that Luxor and Sakura will be better.

[Grven3]

Thanks for an informative report, and the first one for The Luxor.

Seems though that I could just as well stay in Frankfurt on my trip, and avoid the hassle of going to Stuttgart.If you're already in frankfurt, I don't see any reason to go all the way to stuttgart for an FKK. My memory is 10 yrs old, but I remember I liked Sharks more.

The issue with frankfurt is that there's absolutely nothing for a tourist. At least there's a few things to do in stuttgart.

For me, FKK's are something I add to a trip. Not the primary purpose.

[NorthernSpirit]

If you're already in frankfurt, I don't see any reason to go all the way to stuttgart for an FKK. My memory is 10 yrs old, but I remember I liked Sharks more.
The issue with frankfurt is that there's absolutely nothing for a tourist. At least there's a few things to do in stuttgart.
For me, FKK's are something I add to a trip. Not the primary purpose.Thanks for the input!

It's funny how different every monger is. My sole purpose for the trips is to visit FKK. But I guess that comes from being from a repressive country where there are no legal mongering options. Travelling to Germany once in a while is my way to maintain my sanity LOL.

[Tintin1]

If you're already in frankfurt, I don't see any reason to go all the way to stuttgart for an FKK. My memory is 10 yrs old, but I remember I liked Sharks more.

The issue with frankfurt is that there's absolutely nothing for a tourist. At least there's a few things to do in stuttgart.

Little harsh on the tourism comment. Also if it's December there are Christmas markets everywhere!! Clearly Frankfurt is not #1 but the region is cool!
Great museums, early Roman history excavations and cool town square. Maybe not Munich or Prague cool but strong. Close to Düsseldorf and Cologne. And 6?8 FKKs within 2 hours
Given how easy the train system across Germany and Austria is, Doing a 5 city 7-10 day tourist trip complete with FKK evening dessert. It's the perfect place to visit other than in the dead of winter!!

[Milfotronic]

I have a visit planned in March to Stuttgart and I hope that Luxor and Sakura will be better.Curious to know if you went. If yes, what was your impression? I might check out Luxor as well.

[MythoVirus]

Visited Paradise in Saarbrucken yesterday. Since frankfurt clubs are having few new girls decided to adventure somewhere more obsecure.

It was Monday LU, so to my surprise it had good talents.

Club entry was 60 E with food non-alcohol drinks included, reception and bar service was excellent, since the place is close to France I thought the service would be stale and with angry looks, however my bias was wrong, and eventhough I look tourist and I don't speak German, they were very pleasant to deal with.

Lockers, showers, bathroom all were within good standerds, even mouthwash and hair gel was supplied. Only issue 1 locker, so no small locker to keep your wallet / phone, however the single locker had small safe inside of it which is fine.

Didn't try the free food, but I did take glance and it seemed edible with options.

The bar area, seatings, terrace, kino, sauna all are within good standerds, its medium sized club.

Around 25 girls, for my taste at least 7-8 were worth sessions lookwise, so opitions was there, and those 7-8 can easily work in shark or oase without issues as they fit the criteria for good optics. Selection was there, natural / silicon / short / tall / slim / obese / cuacasion / African. So all in all for a Monday LU and a club not in a major city I was impressed tbh.

Same price scheme as per Frankfurt clubs 30/100 E etc, same upgrades and such. I only sessioned with a single lady, did repeat for 4 times, wasnt in mood to gamble, and since she was providing the service as agreed I continued taking her, it was worth the money, however I regret not diversifying at least 2 more girls I really wanted to try, but oh well.

Tldr had a great night, and this confirms to me, trying new clubs is much better than simply repeating World / Oase / Sharks over and over, as I stated before those 3 Frankfurt clubs although I enjoy them a lot, the lack of new talents and the very slow turnover of girls is really taking away from the expierence.

[XXL]

Visited Paradise in Saarbrucken yesterday. Since frankfurt clubs are having few new girls decided to adventure somewhere more obsecure.

It was Monday LU, so to my surprise it had good talents.

Club entry was 60 E with food non-alcohol drinks included, reception and bar service was excellent, since the place is close to France I thought the service would be stale and with angry looks, however my bias was wrong, and eventhough I look tourist and I don't speak German, they were very pleasant to deal with.

Lockers, showers, bathroom all were within good standerds, even mouthwash and hair gel was supplied. Only issue 1 locker, so no small locker to keep your wallet / phone, however the single locker had small safe inside of it which is fine.

Didn't try the free food, but I did take glance and it seemed edible with options.

The bar area, seatings, terrace, kino, sauna all are within good standerds, its medium sized club.

Around 25 girls, for my taste at least 7-8 were worth sessions lookwise, so opitions was there, and those 7-8 can easily work in shark or oase without issues as they fit the criteria for good optics. Selection was there, natural / silicon / short / tall / slim / obese / cuacasion / African. So all in all for a Monday LU and a club not in a major city I was impressed tbh.

Same price scheme as per Frankfurt clubs 30/100 E etc, same upgrades and such. I only sessioned with a single lady, did repeat for 4 times, wasnt in mood to gamble, and since she was providing the service as agreed I continued taking her, it was worth the money, however I regret not diversifying at least 2 more girls I really wanted to try, but oh well.

Tldr had a great night, and this confirms to me, trying new clubs is much better than simply repeating World / Oase / Sharks over and over, as I stated before those 3 Frankfurt clubs although I enjoy them a lot, the lack of new talents and the very slow turnover of girls is really taking away from the expierence.If it was Paradise Saarbruecken, what is your report doing under Paradise Stuttgart? Paradise Stuttgart is now called FKK Luxor by the way.

[Sirioja]

Visited Paradise in Saarbrucken yesterday. Since frankfurt clubs are having few new girls decided to adventure somewhere more obsecure.

It was Monday LU, so to my surprise it had good talents.

Club entry was 60 E with food non-alcohol drinks included, reception and bar service was excellent, since the place is close to France I thought the service would be stale and with angry looks, however my bias was wrong, and eventhough I look tourist and I don't speak German, they were very pleasant to deal with.

Lockers, showers, bathroom all were within good standerds, even mouthwash and hair gel was supplied. Only issue 1 locker, so no small locker to keep your wallet / phone, however the single locker had small safe inside of it which is fine.

Didn't try the free food, but I did take glance and it seemed edible with options.

The bar area, seatings, terrace, kino, sauna all are within good standerds, its medium sized club.

Around 25 girls, for my taste at least 7-8 were worth sessions lookwise, so opitions was there, and those 7-8 can easily work in shark or oase without issues as they fit the criteria for good optics. Selection was there, natural / silicon / short / tall / slim / obese / cuacasion / African. So all in all for a Monday LU and a club not in a major city I was impressed tbh.

Same price scheme as per Frankfurt clubs 30/100 E etc, same upgrades and such. I only sessioned with a single lady, did repeat for 4 times, wasnt in mood to gamble, and since she was providing the service as agreed I continued taking her, it was worth the money, however I regret not diversifying at least 2 more girls I really wanted to try, but oh well.

Tldr had a great night, and this confirms to me, trying new clubs is much better than simply repeating World / Oase / Sharks over and over, as I stated before those 3 Frankfurt clubs although I enjoy them a lot, the lack of new talents and the very slow turnover of girls is really taking away from the expierence.If administration could move your interesting report in Paradise Sarrebrucken thread where You visited. If You had 4 rooms with same girl on your visit, I like that, when I don t like NL at GG or most often Germans at Sharks who book for whole day, with only very few sex, but they don t want others get their girl, this told by girls. As say girls: longest booking, less sex, when these guys need other than sex.

[BackpackBrian]

Just wondering?

Also want to know if Safari and Sakura both in and near Stuttgart are fully nude as well?

[Delta Indigo]

Just wondering?

Also want to know if Safari and Sakura both in and near Stuttgart are fully nude as well?I prefer fully nude clubs, I have been here during the last month and I can say unfortunately not. It is more like Samya in Cologne. So It would describe this way, 1 girl was fully nude, 10 percent topless and the rest neither top less or bottom less. I like the layout of the club and it is a bit less shaky than before, but the girls try very hard to get your attention. I would say business has not been great because of recent rumours about ridiculous upselling. I was only with 2 girls and did not speak to others about pricing, but I did not find that to be the case.

I think things have calmed down on the pricing and upselling front, but Paradise can not be called a fully nude club anymore, too bad as per my preferences but otherwise the club was nice.

[XXL]

Just wondering?

Also want to know if Safari and Sakura both in and near Stuttgart are fully nude as well?What about posting posts about FKK Luxor in the thread entitled "FKK Luxor"?

[LeyenLouvain]

I saw some info here on Felicia, and did some German googling about Marc-Dennis Steinz to learn the story of Jurgen's son, but does anyone have anything to say about Josie?

She seemed like a very cheery, positive presence. Attractive too! Very Aryan in the way of the much-celebrated Marie. I thought it was ironic that with all the filmmakers' concerns about exploitation, they were certainly exploiting her too, in that scene where they got her to admit she'd been with 50,000 men. That was as damaging to her future as anything anybody else in her life has done to her, and she probably didn't even get paid for it.
Thanks for posting this. I have just watched this video and I suspect Josie is a paid actress. Like you say Felicia is known on this thread but not Josie!

[The Cane]

Dated but still good: https://youtu.be/nutaq-EGf2c?si=_Io2Hh1vwksrMa6Z.