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One Wing Low
01-16-07, 16:31
I came back to the US and had to go through a long line at US Immigration check point.

The old Mex-Am agent looked at the countries listed in my itineraries and made me wait. He called a Customs agent, who took me to pick up my luggage, then proceeded to special search my luggage, bypassing the long line of people waiting at the check point.

The Customs agent asked me whether I was involving in any crimes recently, WTF? Of course I said no, then I shut up. You can also plead the Fifth Amendment and shut up. They can really use anything you say against you. He wanted to know if I brought in anything for sales. I said no. He went through my luggage carefully then said, they do this search regularly, and let me go.

While I was there, a few Japanese-looking and Chinese-looking guys were also pulled out for special searches. Be very careful what you carry in your luggage. Any incriminating evidence like drug use, child pornography, counterfeit products etc...can land you in a lot of troubles.

Bill Lee
01-16-07, 16:49
What countries did you put down? Did it also include Cambodia?

At what airport border did you have this problem?

My list included HK, China, Macau and Thailand and I had no special treatment. In fact, for the first time, my oversized duffle bag didn't make it through the x-ray machine at SFO.

But then again, I had no special items in my bags to worry about.

Bill


I came back to the US and had to go through a long line at US Immigration check point.

The old Mex-Am agent looked at the countries listed in my itineraries and made me wait. He called a Customs agent, who took me to pick up my luggage, then proceeded to special search my luggage, bypassing the long line of people waiting at the check point.

The Customs agent asked me whether I was involving in any crimes recently, WTF? Of course I said no, then I shut up. You can also plead the Fifth Amendment and shut up. They can really use anything you say against you. He wanted to know if I brought in anything for sales. I said no. He went through my luggage carefully then said, they do this search regularly, and let me go.

While I was there, a few Japanese-looking and Chinese-looking guys were also pulled out for special searches. Be very careful what you carry in your luggage. Any incriminating evidence like drug use, child pornography, counterfeit products etc...can land you in a lot of troubles.

Bill Lee
01-17-07, 03:27
I saw your e-mail reply to my post. But I was hoping you share the countries visited on a reply post instead so that our brothers can avoid the same hassle.

Bill


I came back to the US and had to go through a long line at US Immigration check point.

The old Mex-Am agent looked at the countries listed in my itineraries and made me wait. He called a Customs agent, who took me to pick up my luggage, then proceeded to special search my luggage, bypassing the long line of people waiting at the check point.

The Customs agent asked me whether I was involving in any crimes recently, WTF? Of course I said no, then I shut up. You can also plead the Fifth Amendment and shut up. They can really use anything you say against you. He wanted to know if I brought in anything for sales. I said no. He went through my luggage carefully then said, they do this search regularly, and let me go.

While I was there, a few Japanese-looking and Chinese-looking guys were also pulled out for special searches. Be very careful what you carry in your luggage. Any incriminating evidence like drug use, child pornography, counterfeit products etc...can land you in a lot of troubles.

One Wing Low
01-17-07, 04:12
I cannot disclose my itineraries since I don't want to blow my cover.

Any bro who wishes to know should PM me.


I saw your e-mail reply to my post. But I was hoping you share the countries visited on a reply post instead so that our brothers can avoid the same hassle.

Bill

Weelock
01-17-07, 05:10
I came back to the US and had to go through a long line at US Immigration check point.

The old Mex-Am agent looked at the countries listed in my itineraries and made me wait. He called a Customs agent, who took me to pick up my luggage, then proceeded to special search my luggage, bypassing the long line of people waiting at the check point.

The Customs agent asked me whether I was involving in any crimes recently, WTF? Of course I said no, then I shut up. You can also plead the Fifth Amendment and shut up. They can really use anything you say against you. He wanted to know if I brought in anything for sales. I said no. He went through my luggage carefully then said, they do this search regularly, and let me go.
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I want to know also.

Because I usually carry some contraband, ( DVD, lady bags ) I often worry about customs coming back to the USA, crossing the border from China to HK, getting onto a Chinese bus or train station. OWL, did you list anything like food, meat or plants on your customs declarations? Next thing might been the dollar amounts listed for each item on the forum didnít match. Then did you travel to any Muslim country? These are usually sure thing to be searched. Also how many bags did you bring back? I too was once asked to go over to a special counter after someone looked at my declaration forum. I believe it was because I was carrying 3 large bags and was alone. In the past, I usually carry two small bags and NOTHING happened in about 9 trips in 6 years. They asked me almost the same questions, ie ďAny samples for saleĒ, ďHow long were you thereĒ, and then they let me go, no problem. I saw one poor lady getting her bags looked at very carefully.

OWL, please PM me what cities?

PS. Forgot to ask did they find anything ( Contraband ) ? did you get fined?

One Wing Low
02-02-07, 05:57
Should grant its honorary doctorate degree to Loso....


Disclaimer

This report was written by, and from the perspective of a middle-aged white guy who doesnít speak a word of Chinese. If youíre ethnic Chinese, black..., you may have completely different experiences. My report is probably only relevant for fellow laowais.

Timing

I was in Shenzhen:

November 23 - November 26 (4 nights)

Statistics

During my 4-day stay in Shenzhen, I had:

ST: 9
LT: 0
Girls: 9

Hu Bei Xin Cun BBS

Directions


Loso

One Wing Low
02-04-07, 10:42
as i read in a la times report some time back about the method of corruption of young girls into prostitution in mexico, the men would gang [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and beat up the girls, then send in the women, pretending to offer them sympathy, then urge them to submit to selling their bodies. the girls would be fearful and weak at this point, most would readily accept the recommendations of the kind souls of their own kind.

probably similar in many countries, there are villages in mexico where boys are traditionally trained to seduce, corrupt then sell young girls into prostitution.

i would much rather deal with girls who enter the profession out of their own free wills, but they are probably a very small population. i sadly believe most girls are lied to, cheated, beaten up, then sold into prostitution by their alleged boy friends.

men or women, the pimps are nasty bastards who deserve no friendship from anyone.



i concur with santa about men running the shops and the girls. there is something about it that i don't like either. maybe it is the "pimp" perception. generally speaking, i've found that service and accomodation is better in bbs run by women.

just my pov.

oah

Erik
02-05-07, 11:49
nutso,
it is true that speaking chinese avoids a bit part of rejection. it makes the girls less shy, more at ease with ht laoway. no, i don't get rejected much, but still it happens too often for my taste.
what pissed me off the most was that bbs where it is the papasan himself who rejected me upfront. without even asking the girls, he claimed that his girls would not like to do it with me. obviously the kind of guy who watches too many western porn movies and has a strong complex about the size of his dick ! i was so pissed off, he had several stunning cuties ! i guess i could not bear the situation in japan, where there is open racial segregation against foreign punters.
one wing low, there is no such thing as what you say about mexico, in china. the girls speak very openly and never any chinese girl told me she had been raped by pimps or forced by force into prostitution in any way. unlike vietnam or thailand where it is more common. most of chinese girls are fully volonteer, maybe a few are "forced" to get quick qnd easy money because of gamble debt or other kind of financial pression.

One Wing Low
03-02-07, 11:43
Apparently there are special Chinese liquors that really boost the libido. I drank one shot at a party and my dick was big and hard for 2 nights.

The first night I had sex 4 times and the dick still got erected after that. My body was highly aroused; my mind excited. I was alert and could not sleep, or slept very lightly for short stretches, both nights. There was no side effects except being tired after 2 nights without sleep.

I was told the liquor was bought in HK and China. Anaybody knows what brand it is? Where to buy it? Would appreciate it. I'd rather drink this stuff than swallowing Cialis or Viagra anytime.

Perhaps some seniors like OAH, Johnny Kun or Billy Lee would know what and where to get this potent potion.

One Wing Low
03-03-07, 08:36
A very nice, sweet, sexy girl. 1500 RMB for the night but was well worth it.

One Wing Low
03-03-07, 08:38
Has 100's very nice girls.

Can anyone translate the name and the address of this KTV?

OldAsiaHand
03-03-07, 08:42
OWL,

Let the truth be told. You paid her 2,300 RMB with the tip! We all make these mistakes from time to time. LOL.

OAH



A very nice, sweet, sexy girl. 1500 RMB for the night but was worth it.

Arctic1
03-03-07, 10:23
Has 100's very nice girls.

Can anyone translate the name and the address of this KTV?

蔡屋围丽晶国际俱乐部 = Cai Wuwei Crystal Club International (Not sure how to translate Cai Wuwei. Cai is a surname. Wuwei means something like circular room. Maybe it's just a name.)

Company's address is 3083 South Baoan Road, Fazhan Mansion, Room 2506, Shenzhen.
The International Club (I guess this is where the action is) address 48 Jintang Street, Lijing (or crystal) Mansion (2-3 floors), Luohu District.

One Wing Low
03-03-07, 10:29
is 1500 RMB all night. It's 800 in ChongPing.

I gave her a tip since she stayed overtime.

I have her tel. Will probably hook up with her in my next visit to SZ, paying half the KTV rate.


OWL,

Let the truth be told. You paid her 2,300 RMB with the tip! We all make these mistakes from time to time. LOL.

OAH

One Wing Low
03-03-07, 10:30
in Luohu near the KTVs?

Your translation really helps.


蔡屋围丽晶国际俱乐部 = Cai Wuwei Crystal Club International (Not sure how to translate Cai Wuwei. Cai is a surname. Wuwei means something like circular room. Maybe it's just a name.)

Company's address is 3083 South Baoan Road, Fazhan Mansion, Room 2506, Shenzhen.
The International Club (I guess this is where the action is) address 48 Jintang Street, Lijing (or crystal) Mansion (2-3 floors), Luohu District.

Bnlee2
03-03-07, 19:17
in Luohu near the KTVs?

Your translation really helps.There is a ktv in low wu that my client took me to. All of the gals were atleast a 7 and the rate is only. 3/5/8-10 the translation of the name is People 88. Very nice KTV rooms mostly frequented by Hong Kong guys from what I understand. I will be back late next month and will try to get the guys business card and scan it in. The owner manager is a Hong Kong guy and speak passable english and a whole lot of Chinglish.

Sorry I do not have an address.

I think the chinese pinyin in. Yun Bah bah.

PM me if you want more info.

One Wing Low
03-04-07, 13:04
What do you mean the rate is 3/5/8-10?

Do you mean the all-nighters vary between 800 to 1000 RMB? It would still be a good deal for SZ if the girls are 7 or above.

An address would really help. I dont expect taxi drivers in SZ to know all KTV. Or perhaps the hotel concierges could help.

What would be a good 4-star hotel in Luohu, close to these KTV and the concubine village?


There is a ktv in low wu that my client took me to. All of the gals were atleast a 7 and the rate is only. 3/5/8-10 the translation of the name is People 88. Very nice KTV rooms mostly frequented by Hong Kong guys from what I understand. I will be back late next month and will try to get the guys business card and scan it in. The owner manager is a Hong Kong guy and speak passable english and a whole lot of Chinglish.

Sorry I do not have an address.

I think the chinese pinyin in. Yun Bah bah.

PM me if you want more info.

One Wing Low
03-07-07, 09:16
1200 RM,B or about US$150 for ST, is a bit rich for my taste. It's way too much for the CHina P4P market.

I can call up Ting Hua and have an all night GFE with very beautiful and loving girl for that much money. And she would allow as many tasteful pictures as I want.

Guess experienced mongers could also be easily ripped off by the SZ pussies.



It was Moody's first day back so we decided to hit Las Vegas. If you are looking for 9/10 stock, this is not currently the place for it. Most we saw were in the 7 range max.

To top it off, I was told the system was 300/1,000/1,500 only to find her demanding 1,200 for ST. I called the mommy and she sided with the girl of course. To avoid any hassle, I handed over the extra 200 and she left.

Its back to BBS and SW for me! Having said that, KTV is really not about the girls. It is a great way to hang out with old friends and have a great time which we accomplished. I am sure I will do it again soon.

OAH

Bnlee2
03-07-07, 18:17
1200 RM,B or about US$150 for ST, is a bit rich for my taste. It's way too much for the CHina P4P market.

I can call up Ting Hua and have an all night GFE with very beautiful and loving girl for that much money. And she would allow as many tasteful pictures as I want.

Guess experienced mongers could also be easily ripped off by the SZ pussies.

with the recent crackdown i know that the prices are moving up. in january this year i was still able to pickup 7-8's quality type for 3/5/8-10 from my friends ktv in low wu. i hope that it is still holding at that rate when i get back in late april early may.

have fun guys.

Moody
03-08-07, 21:04
1200 RM,B or about US$150 for ST, is a bit rich for my taste. It's way too much for the CHina P4P market.

I can call up Ting Hua and have an all night GFE with very beautiful and loving girl for that much money. And she would allow as many tasteful pictures as I want.

Guess experienced mongers could also be easily ripped off by the SZ pussies.

No ripoff.... It's just different. As anyone who has met me can attest, I know what the price for stuff is. That said, I've paid as little as 80RMB in Jiangsu, and up to 10,000RMB in Shanghai. Different markets, different presentations and of course, different girls. For 80RMB, you get a quick fuck in a dingly little room with no air conditioner. For 10,000RMb, you get something out of your fantasies and believe me when I say this, it was worth every single fen. You decide how much variety of life experiences are worth to you. If you're happy with 150RMB girls every night, then that's great. More power to you. For me, if I have the money, I won't limit myself to eating at McDonald's everyday.

One Wing Low
03-11-07, 08:39
Hi Bnlee,

Are the girls at this KTV good looking? Is service good?

Please post name, tel and address of this place so I can check it out later this month.


with the recent crackdown i know that the prices are moving up. in january this year i was still able to pickup 7-8's quality type for 3/5/8-10 from my friends ktv in low wu. i hope that it is still holding at that rate when i get back in late april early may.

have fun guys.
in Lowu

One Wing Low
03-11-07, 18:25
How can you find these Sauna in SHang SHa?

Do you have any name or address? What can you tell a cabbie so he can take you there?


Globotto:

Nothing in SZ is 100% safe in light of recent crackdowns nowadays, but I reckon you are as safe as you can get in Shang Sha. Most of these places pay for intelligence and are forewarned of any LE interference. As you may have read, Sha Tsui has been all but shut down except for most of the massage places and they still offer FS as recent as last week I am told. I've not patronized them myself in quite some time. Tips are usually 200 RMB in these joints on top of the standard fee, but I don't think 300 RMB will spoil the market that much.

Happy Hunting!

OAH

Fast Eddie 48
03-12-07, 07:19
How can you find these Sauna in SHang SHa?

Do you have any name or address? What can you tell a cabbie so he can take you there?



to one wing low

There are many sauna offer fs all over shenzhen ,now that sha tsui is closed down most sauna at Shang sha and Ha sha " upper and lower sand" offer FS , most place at ha sha is 100 rmb for the room and 300 rmb for the girl 90 min and 2 shots with massage .

If you speak chinese just ask the manager if they offer FS but if you walk down the st alone they will apreach you and offer girl , most place in bujie or longgang area foot massage and health club offer FS but this can change time to time because of crack down or unless you are a regular .


fast eddie 48

One Wing Low
03-12-07, 08:49
Wow.

Looks like Fast Eddie has quickly done all the saunas FAST!

I just have to tell my personal butler at the Landmark hotel to figure out where these saunas are and arrange for the cabbies to take me there. I haven't tried but the butler can most likely bring on the best girls in SZ. They are all young guys/girls who speak English well.

That's a damn good idea. I will have the butler arrange the driver to take me to all the nice SZ spots, suanas, pink apartment, catacomb etc...I dont have to worry about finding them. Last time I had them arrange for a driver to take me to Chang Ping, they were all smiling slyly. The driver later told me everyone knows what I go to Chang Ping for.

If you stay at the Land Mark hotel's executive suites in Luo Hu, the suite somes with your own butler and the amenities of the nice executive lounge. You can invite your guests there for meetings. The drinks are free. A very good deal.

Last time I brought my all-night escort, Ting Hua, to the breakfast buffet, everyone was eyeing her with envy. The poor girl ate and drank like she had not eaten in weeks

Thanks for your kind info, Fast Eddie. Hope you are having the time of your life, wherever.


to one wing low

There are many sauna offer fs all over shenzhen ,now that sha tsui is closed down most sauna at Shang sha and Ha sha " upper and lower sand" offer FS , most place at ha sha is 100 rmb for the room and 300 rmb for the girl 90 min and 2 shots with massage .

fast eddie 48

One Wing Low
03-15-07, 07:20
I know a widow in a small town in China who raised 6 children on her own. Her husband died when the youngest was about 2.

All 6 children are now grown, all got their college education and live average but dignified professional life.

4 older ones are married. The youngest 2 girls are nice, beautiful and wholesome. These 2 girls are tall and healthy. Their bodies are well-proportioned, their skin beautiful andunblemished, which indicate their food supply was adequate, their hygiene good and their health care not bad. They said there were many times their family was hungry, but they always had their love for one another.

It seems that, in any country, there is always a small percentage of the population who succumbs to various needs for fast and easy money.

Harmsuploe
03-15-07, 10:34
I know a widow in a small town in China who raised 6 children on her own. Her husband died when the youngest was about 2.

All 6 children are now grown, all got their college education and live average but dignified professional life.

4 older ones are married. The youngest 2 girls are nice, beautiful and wholesome. These 2 girls are tall and healthy. Their bodies are well-proportioned, their skin beautiful andunblemished, which indicate their food supply was adequate, their hygiene good and their health care not bad. They said there were many times their family was hungry, but they always had their love for one another.

It seems that, in any country, there is always a small percentage of the population who succumbs to various needs for fast and easy money.They are the extreme anomaly.

Weelock
03-16-07, 04:06
I know a widow in a small town in China who raised 6 children on her own. Her husband died when the youngest was about 2.

All 6 children are now grown, all got their college education and live average but dignified professional life.

4 older ones are married. The youngest 2 girls are nice, beautiful and wholesome. These 2 girls are tall and healthy. Their bodies are well-proportioned, their skin beautiful andunblemished, which indicate their food supply was adequate, their hygiene good and their health care not bad. They said there were many times their family was hungry, but they always had their love for one another.

It seems that, in any country, there is always a small percentage of the population who succumbs to various needs for fast and easy money.


For 6 kids, it all depends when did she have them. For 6 kids for Han Chinese now, NO WAY. If she is Han Chinese, then they must have done it illegally if after around 1970.


If they are non-ethic Chinese, non-Han, I think there is NO control and it is possible for 6 kids. I wonder how she was able to feed them all. During the Communist Mao Era, all food. was rationed making it even harder. You said there are all grown up now.


On the other hand, it was possible during Mao's time of China. But around 1970-74?, they started to control the population growth. Sorry, the exact years I am not 100%.

One Wing Low
03-16-07, 05:33
The youngest one is around 20.

So, I am guessing, she had them betwen 1975 to 1987, assuming she had a baby every 2 years, or between 1980 to 1987 if she had a baby every year.

I've seen a few large scars on some pro girls. Other than that the people appear healthy, reasonably well fed and fairly well taken care of compared to most other peoples in South Asia, except Singapore.


For 6 kids, it all depends when did she have them. For 6 kids for Han Chinese now, NO WAY. If she is Han Chinese, then they must have done it illegally if it was after around 1970.
On the other hand, it was possible during Mao's time of China. But around 1970-74?, they started to control the population growth. Sorry, the exact years I am not 100%.

One Wing Low
03-16-07, 17:48
I hate to think the girls raised their prices after reading the posts in this forum!

Are there any stunners in these bars in Shekou? Where else would one go to pick up stunners cheap for overnight?

Appreciate your insights.


Hi Folks,

at the risk of boring you all about SheKou I was there again last week after a visit in December time. I love this place.

The bars in Gong Ye 1 Road and just behind are still in good business and the gals are just as pretty and willing as before but the asking price has gone up.

In the past they start at 300-600 for overnight but go down to 150-250 with some bargaining.

This time they were start at 1000 and playing hard to get, especially early evening. But at end of the bartime, as the closing time approached, they PE

One Wing Low
03-19-07, 21:38
Would be way too low in RMB.


Hey PE,
150-250 overnight?! Those are some very low rates, especially for A) Shenzhen and B) a foreigner-concentrated area such as Shekou.
J

Fast Eddie 48
03-20-07, 03:49
Would be way too low in RMB.


to OWL

I think you are just a big spender and is good to be rich , I have got st in shekou area bbs for 100 rmb and I heard even 80 rmb for local ,I have not been there for over 4 yr now quality just not as good as sha tsui area.

I am sure that you still can get all nighter in shenzhen for 250 rmb if you know where to go but you are not going to get anything model type .


fast eddie 48

One Wing Low
03-20-07, 07:15
Hi Fast Eddie,

I am neither rich nor big spender. I was paying local rates recommended by local friends.

When anyone overpays or overtips, the girls usually would not be grateful. They would just think of him as foolish or weak, or both, who deserved to be gouged some more. The best things to do anywhere is to show that one has knowledge of local values and customs, and conduct oneself nobly in that framework. The French call that 'savoir faire.'

It would be so cool to find model-quality babes for free, or for less than 200RMB overnight in China. But it takes a lot of local knowledge, time, effort, patience... which we dont have when we are on vacations in foreign land.

Last time I was in SZ, I had plenty of opportunities for freebies, but the girls was not the best looking. I had a lunch with a girl in SZ that costed US$120 or about 1000 RMB, and I did not even get to fuck her. Shenzhen KTV's rate of 800 to 1500 RMB for a couple hours drinking, talking, playing silly games then all-night GFE with a model-quality girl, is very good value.

So I stopped wasting time and money and taking chances on any girl who did not have near-model looks, and who did not act like a saint, taking care of all my wants and needs selflessly for free. Well...the last saint with near model-looks I came across became a very lazy, expensive and controlling wife. So I have been saintlly fucked.

I would rather pay a little money for the certainty, economy and efficiency of the company of the KTV girls. So far they have not disappointed me.



to OWL

I think you are just a big spender and is good to be rich , I have got st in shekou area bbs for 100 rmb and I heard even 80 rmb for local ,I have not been there for over 4 yr now quality just not as good as sha tsui area.

I am sure that you still can get all nighter in shenzhen for 250 rmb if you know where to go but you are not going to get anything model type .


fast eddie 48

Peter Eastwest
03-23-07, 13:25
Depends how you define stunners.

I have seen some dogs and I have seen some beautiful women. Now - "stunners"?? Not sure I would call them stunners, but I don't think that some of the so-called "Hollywood stunners" are all that "hot".

Nice attitude, coupled with a pretty face and a shapely body and a tight pussy - what more do you want?

PE



I hate to think the girls raised their prices after reading the posts in this forum!

Are there any stunners in these bars in Shekou? Where else would one go to pick up stunners cheap for overnight?

Appreciate your insights.

One Wing Low
03-26-07, 04:14
It's a large KTV in this hotel in Luohu. 2068 honggui Rd, SZ 86 755 2586 5688.

I had great party with 6 guys and 6 girls. There were close to 100 girls when we got there AT ABOUT 7pm. We sang a few English songs. The girls sang both Chinese and English. The girls are young. They like Western music. We all got roaring drunk, dancing to the music. A few of the girls were stripping down to nothing on the tables.

The pretty waitress also joined in. she's older and was obviously horny. She was grabbing crotches of any guys near her. She was staging the acts where the girls all got together and strip the pants off the guests.

I picked up Jasmine for the night. She is pretty and speak good English she learned in middle school. I have her mobile. Her rate outside of KTV is probably very reasonable.

Dmchowss
03-26-07, 06:59
It's a large KTV in this hotel in Luohu. 2068 honggui Rd, SZ 86 755 2586 5688.

I had great party with 6 guys and 6 girls. There were close to 100 girls when we got there AT ABOUT 7pm. We sang a few English songs. The girls sang both Chinese and English. The girls are young. They like Western music. We all got roaring drunk, dancing to the music. A few of the girls were stripping down to nothing on the tables.

The pretty waitress also joined in. she's older and was obviously horny. She was grabbing crotches of any guys near her. She was staging the acts where the girls all got together and strip the pants off the guests.

I picked up Jasmine for the night. She is pretty and speak good English she learned in middle school. I have her mobile. Her rate outside of KTV is probably very reasonable.Great Report! - will sure to visit when I am there next mth.
BTW - whats the damage per head for the fun in the Karoake?

One Wing Low
03-27-07, 02:37
Went ouside the hotel late at night. There were half a dozen people, mostly women, hanging out near the gate. One woman approached me, saying, 'guaranteed young, pretty girl.'

It took about 10 minutes. The girl was delivered by a guy on a bicyle. SZ forbids motorcyles. The girl was young and lean with a pretty face, probably a 7 overall. She wanted 300Y I offered 150Y; agreeed on 200Y.

The girl had a beautiful body. She was nice and sweet. I came to quickly. Offered her another 100Y for the second roound. She accepted immediately. Second round was very nice.

Next day asked the concierge for a sauna, was given tel number of Golden Coast Sauna in Shekou, a long 50Y taxi ride from Luohu. The place is a large clean, upscale massage and sauna. Was given a very beautiful girl from Hunan. She gave me a so so massage then proceeded with a handjob. It felt good but I was unable to come. Asked her again and again for FS but she firmly declined. Finally just told her to quit to use the sauna.

Costed 600Y for massage and sauna. Gave the girl 100Y tip, should have given nothing. She was good looking. On the way out saw a dozen masseuse waiting, some very pretty.

One Wing Low
03-27-07, 02:59
The host paid everything, giving 300Y tip to each girl. I heard the room rate is from 150Y and up for 3 hours. Then you pay for the drinks and food and tip the girls.

Went to a night club near HuaQiang and the Golden Luohu hotel. There was music and show all night with a separate dance floor. There were a lot of young people dancing, a lot of girls wearing stylish clothes.

Costed 120Y for 3 people with 3 drinks and snacks. Had a good time.



Great Report! - will sure to visit when I am there next mth.
BTW - whats the damage per head for the fun in the Karoake?

One Wing Low
04-10-07, 00:03
It's OK to go to KTV by yourself. In fact this is my preferred way of doing it. Go to the larger, well-known KTV. Avoid the seedy ones.

Just rent a small room with min any where between 300-500Y. Have a few lineups. Dont pick out the girl immediately. Take down notes and the numbers of the girls you like.

Pick your girl. Order your drinks. Lock the damn door. Dim the light. Just you and your girl in the room so you have some privacy to feel up your girl. More than 2 persons in the room and the girls will not do a lot of things you ask. You may want to ask your girl to strip for you. If you are not happy with the girl, call the mamasan and ask for replacement within the first 15 minutes free of charge. This is all within your rights as client at the KTV.

If any time you feel you are not treated well, just leave and find another KTV. There are plenty of them. Be assertive to get what you want. Dont be bashful or you will get the short end of the stick.

I went to the Crystal KTV in Luohu. It is large, nice, clean with a good selection of girls. Everything is first class. Recommended. I had their business card posted in this thread.


Hey all you mates,
Any suggestions? Or we could organise to go in a group to get some stunners?

Pleasure Dude
04-10-07, 17:29
One Wing Low, it sounds very interesting and I might just try it when I am in Shenzhen end of April. What is the average bill like if one decides to venture to a high end KTV such as Crystal? Any other high end KTV in Louhou?

It seems it is such a waste of money to pay for KTV if one doesn't enjoy it and pay another couple thousand yen to take a model material out for the night. Are there no other way to find model materials such as an escort? I will be in Shenzhen around April 22 and would be interested to join some forum member and venture to a high end KTV. I am from the U.S. and I can speak fluent chinese. I would be willing to pay for the majority part of the bill for KTV if some member is willing to provide guidance.

PD


It's OK to go to KTV by yourself. In fact this is my preferred way of doing it. Go to the larger, well-known KTV. Avoid the seedy ones.

Just rent a small room with min any where between 300-500Y. Have a few lineups. Dont pick out the girl immediately. Take down notes and the numbers of the girls you like.

Pick your girl. Order your drinks. Lock the damn door. Dim the light. Just you and your girl in the room so you have some privacy to feel up your girl. More than 2 persons in the room and the girls will not do a lot of things you ask. You may want to ask your girl to strip for you. If you are not happy with the girl, call the mamasan and ask for replacement within the first 15 minutes free of charge. This is all within your rights as client at the KTV.

If any time you feel you are not treated well, just leave and find another KTV. There are plenty of them. Be assertive to get what you want. Dont be bashful or you will get the short end of the stick.

I went to the Crystal KTV in Luohu. It is large, nice, clean with a good selection of girls. Everything is first class. Recommended. I had their business card posted in this thread.

Fast Eddie 48
04-10-07, 22:07
One Wing Low, it sounds very interesting and I might just try it when I am in Shenzhen end of April. What is the average bill like if one decides to venture to a high end KTV such as Crystal? Any other high end KTV in Louhou?

It seems it is such a waste of money to pay for KTV if one doesn't enjoy it and pay another couple thousand yen to take a model material out for the night. Are there no other way to find model materials such as an escort? I will be in Shenzhen around April 22 and would be interested to join some forum member and venture to a high end KTV. I am from the U.S. and I can speak fluent chinese. I would be willing to pay for the majority part of the bill for KTV if some member is willing to provide guidance.

PD



to pleasure dude



Going to ktv by your self can be expensive but you get to be alone with the girl . I have been to the Lion hotel ktv they have a stage with show you can just get a table and get a girl to sit with you or 2nd fl bar cost only 40 rmb to enter and mamasan will parade the girl for you to pick , there are many low
cost small ktv all over shenzhen that you can get a small room as low as 140 rmb in ha sha and huang gang area .



fast eddie 48

Stoned Camper
04-11-07, 14:39
I will be in SZ around the same time. If you would like to hook up, we can plan something. I was trying to pm you but you are not a member. If you are serious in hooking up with others here, it's worth the subscription. I'm from US too. Cheers!


One Wing Low, it sounds very interesting and I might just try it when I am in Shenzhen end of April. What is the average bill like if one decides to venture to a high end KTV such as Crystal? Any other high end KTV in Louhou?

It seems it is such a waste of money to pay for KTV if one doesn't enjoy it and pay another couple thousand yen to take a model material out for the night. Are there no other way to find model materials such as an escort? I will be in Shenzhen around April 22 and would be interested to join some forum member and venture to a high end KTV. I am from the U.S. and I can speak fluent chinese. I would be willing to pay for the majority part of the bill for KTV if some member is willing to provide guidance.

PD

One Wing Low
04-20-07, 07:07
Where are those BBS near the Best Western Felicity???

I was staying at the Felicity for a few nights last month. Walked up and down that street many times but not found any hint of any BBS or services.

At night, there are half a dozen touts hanging outside the hotel's gate. They can bring the girls with a few phone call. I had Nono delivered on a bicyle, a very nice, slim, pretty girl for 200Y. Have her mobile if anyone need quick services.

The Felicity is a nice touch since it serves a lot of Chinese and Asian families stopping on tours to HK. So you can sit in the lobby and watch a lot of different types of people come and go, waiting etc... The room is kind of small but clean. The breakfast buffet is below average, costing 88Y.

It's more fun staying in the Felicity than the Landmark, which is a classy 5 star hotel with larger room, but feels characterless like the Hilton hotel in Cleveland...



There is a cluster of BBSs right next to the Felicity. Be a bit careful with them as I had a bad experience there with a girl wanting to renegotiate at the point of giving services. Not good. It is a tourist heavy area thus they think they can con the foreign types for much higher rates. But for simplicity you can not beat it as it is on the same side of the street within 100 meters.

One Wing Low
05-01-07, 16:16
Hi P D,

I did not see your post until now. I hope you are still in SZ. If you can speak Chinese, you should have no problems ordering what you want from the mamasans and make sure they understand the limit how much you want to spend. The people at large and classy KTV's are civilized. They will not cheat you.

You can probably get away with less than 800RMB for a session in a small room, including the 300RMB sitting tip for the girl of your choice. If you go, please report your info and recommendations so your bro's can enjoy this unique Chinese cultural activity.

I have mobile numbers of a few KTV cuties in SZ that you can meet up outside of KTV. Their fees would be much lower. They can also make arrangements at their KTV's and limit the expenses for you. PM me if interested.


One Wing Low, it sounds very interesting and I might just try it when I am in Shenzhen end of April. What is the average bill like if one decides to venture to a high end KTV such as Crystal? Any other high end KTV in Louhou?
PD

Pleasure Dude
05-01-07, 22:41
Hi One Wing Low,

Soulman took me to a KTV and we had a wonderful time. I had to pay $1200 to do a take out. Thanks for replying and I will definitely get the number for the cuties when I am in Shenzhen next time.

PD


Hi P D,

I did not see your post until now. I hope you are still in SZ. If you can speak Chinese, you should have no problems ordering what you want from the mamasans and make sure they understand the limit how much you want to spend. The people at large and classy KTV's are civilized. They will not cheat you.

You can probably get away with less than 800RMB for a session in a small room, including the 300RMB sitting tip for the girl of your choice. If you go, please report your info and recommendations so your bro's can enjoy this unique Chinese cultural activity.

I have mobile numbers of a few KTV cuties in SZ that you can meet up outside of KTV. Their fees would be much lower. They can also make arrangements at their KTV's and limit the expenses for you. PM me if interested.

One Wing Low
05-21-07, 16:49
This is excellent info from someone new to this forum.

We need more members like you.


For those who prefer taking a taxi, hereís the name / address of Venice KTV in Chinese:
水围村 Ė 威尼斯卡拉OK (i.e. Shui Wei Cun Ė Venice KTV)
Shui Du Jiu Dian is well known amongst SZ taxi drivers. It may not be a bad idea to get the taxi driver to take you there first, and then move on to the other hot spots from there!

GC

Green Carrot
05-24-07, 19:14
This is excellent info from someone new to this forum.

We need more members like you.As a newbie to the Forum, Iíve already derived much benefit from all the invaluable info that our Senior Members have been so generously sharing with us. I was too trying to follow their paths in providing info that I think might be of interest to other fellow members. My knowledge unfortunately is rather limited, but Iíll keep trying.

GC

One Wing Low
05-25-07, 00:03
According to a friend of mine in SZ, the best selctions can be found at:

East Havayi on Xiangxi Street in LuoHu

I have no idea where that is. Will try it with him next time I am in SZ. If you can try it out and report the info back to the forum, would be very helpful.



As a newbie to the Forum, Iíve already derived much benefit from all the invaluable info that our Senior Members have been so generously sharing with us. I was too trying to follow their paths in providing info that I think might be of interest to other fellow members. My knowledge unfortunately is rather limited, but Iíll keep trying.

GC

Bob Builder
05-25-07, 04:32
East Havayi

= Dong Fang Hawaii

= Oriental Hawaii Sauna

= Sauna at entrance to Seibu BBS village (which you should call Panglin BBS as most taxi drivers don't know what Seibu or where it is but know whereth Panglin Hotel is.)




According to a friend of mine in SZ, the best selctions can be found at:

East Havayi on Xiangxi Street in LuoHu

I have no idea where that is. Will try it with him next time I am in SZ. If you can try it out and report the info back to the forum, would be very helpful.

One Wing Low
05-25-07, 05:42
Damn, you guys are giving me a heart attack!

Make me feel like going to SZ next week!




East Havayi

= Dong Fang Hawaii

= Oriental Hawaii Sauna

= Sauna at entrance to Seibu BBS village (which you should call Panglin BBS as most taxi drivers don't know what Seibu or where it is but know whereth Panglin Hotel is.)

Green Carrot
05-28-07, 09:57
According to a friend of mine in SZ, the best selctions can be found at:

East Havayi on Xiangxi Street in LuoHu

I have no idea where that is. Will try it with him next time I am in SZ. If you can try it out and report the info back to the forum, would be very helpful.One Wing Low,

Itís interesting to learn about this new area in ďEast Havayi on Xiangxi Street in LuoHuĒ where the best selections can be found. Unfortunately, Iím no longer stationed in SZ anymore. But, Iíd certainly find time to come back and explore this new found heaven before long.

BTW, is it the East Havayi Sauna that has the best selections? Or, is it the BBS on Xiangxi Street? Or better still both?

Yes, I know you've not been there yet in person. But, what about the input from your SZ friend?

One Wing Low
05-28-07, 21:51
I was taken to dinner a few times on Seafood street near the Golden Luohu Hotel. I was trying to find this Seibu BBS area with no success. Despite the name, the golden Luohu Hotel is actually in Futian, not Luohu. I was taken to a night club near the Huaqiang Lu station. A nice place to sit around drinking and ogling cute little girls. I would prefer a good strip show to get fired up for the night. Are there any strip show around the Huaqiang Lu area? Some seasoned SZ experts please point us to the right directions.

Woud someone be so kind to post a map of the area with street names and directions in English?

Are the Gold and Golden Luohu hotels nice and clean? I would probably stay there, convenient for both business and recreations. The Best Western Felicity is OK but that area is pretty dead at night.



The Shanghai Hotel is close, but not that close. I assume this is the one over by Huaqiang Lu? If so, this hotel is 4 subway stops from Guo Mao and still have to walk some to reach Seibu.

Some mongers stay at the Golden Luohu or CC Inn which is much closer, both are 2-3 Stars (rooms are nice, but no extras). Also, the Gold Hotel which is 4 Stars, is 380rmb a night w/discount. These 3 hotels are within walking distance of Seibu and the other area behind Seafood Street.

-SZE

Cloud Palms
05-30-07, 03:29
I was taken to dinner a few times on Seafood street near the Golden Luohu Hotel. I was trying to find this Seibu BBS area with no success. Despite the name, the golden Luohu Hotel is actually in Futian, not Luohu. I was taken to a night club near the Huaqiang Lu station. A nice place to sit around drinking and ogling cute little girls. I would prefer a good strip show to get fired up for the night. Are there any strip show around the Huaqiang Lu area? Some seasoned SZ experts please point us to the right directions.

Woud someone be so kind to post a map of the area with street names and directions in English?

Are the Gold and Golden Luohu hotels nice and clean? I would probably stay there, convenient for both business and recreations. The Best Western Felicity is OK but that area is pretty dead at night.OWL,

Here is a old map to Seibu BBS that I got from this forum a while back. Guys, lets be as discreet as we can about this as it seems it is all we have right now in Shenzhen.

Manfest
05-30-07, 16:59
I was taken to dinner a few times on Seafood street near the Golden Luohu Hotel. Despite the name, the golden Luohu Hotel is actually in Futian, not Luohu.

Are the Gold and Golden Luohu hotels nice and clean? I would probably stay there, convenient for both business and recreations. The Best Western Felicity is OK but that area is pretty dead at night.

Golden Luohu Hotel or Jinsir Luohu Binguan (tel 82254111) is in Luohu (closer to Dongmen than the train area). It is right adjacent to the Hu Bei Xin Cun, not a bad late night BBS area. I don't know the street names, but it is the hotel on the southwest corner of the village. Another landmark is one of the tons of seafood restaurants overflows into it's lobby, this restaurant has the cooks outside grilling huge oysters in garlic sauce (but I digress). I believe the hotel is supposed to be nice, but no internet and no room safe. Please check this last bit of info as it is secondhand. It is also close to Seibu, about 15 RMB taxi ride.

Cheers

One Wing Low
05-30-07, 19:53
So the BBS is across the street from Panglin hotel. The main street is probably Shennan Rd?

Anyway I should be able to find it once I find Panglin hotel.

Thanks for the info.


OWL,
Here is a old map to Seibu BBS that I got from this forum a while back. Guys, lets be as discreet as we can about this as it seems it is all we have right now in Shenzhen.

Old Mean Dog
05-31-07, 02:18
So the BBS is across the street from Panglin hotel. The main street is probably Shennan Rd?

Anyway I should be able to find it once I find Panglin hotel.

Thanks for the info.

Yes and no. The Panglin Hotel sits at the intersection of Dongmen and Jiabin Lu, directly across the street from the hotel (Dongmen side) is a Seibu Dept. Store.

Just need to walk towards the backside of the Seibu bldg and a few small shops where you will come upon a road that is blocked for vehicle traffic via a metal gate, walk thru it and start looking to your right down the alleys.

-SZE

One Wing Low
09-06-07, 18:44
What main street?

Are you talking about the pink apartment areas near the train station?



My newbie friend and i were totally surprised with the overflow over to the main street。 Too many to pick from。 I had done a semi pro semi girlfriend earlier so I was just there to help him get his pick back to the hotel room。 They said 200 plus taxi back and fourth which my friend agreed to;hopefully this is the market rate to take one back to your room。 I figure she was a solid 8 but of course we hadnít discussed her skill level as heĎs doing the deed right now。 P。 S。 Jusco was almost completely dead the prior night when we went out roaming of course we were following two uniform cops patroling in front of us。

ABCinLA
09-06-07, 21:30
What main street?

Are you talking about the pink apartment areas near the train station? I had submitted two brief reports one titled pink apts and the other seibu。 the pink apts is the one near the lo wu train station。 the overflow of girls onto the street concerns the seibu area which is near the sunshine - panglin hotel area。 I think after eating at the pizza hut in the king glory shopping mall area we walked up about 2 or 3 blocks from it。 IĎve been walking the downtown streets of SZ for years and years,when IĎm here, and typically donít bother to remember street names sorry to say。
BTW how much do you guys think I should pay for a roundtrip ticket to Beijing?

One Wing Low
10-01-07, 08:27
Last time I was in ZH, I had upset stomach, probably by drinking spoiled cream in my coffee.

I was with the ZH gang. After dinner, we were walking back to LHL when they convince me to take a sure-fire traditional Chinese medicine sold OTC. The guys told me this medicine is primarily powdered coal, worked for them, should work great everytime. Well, after taking the medicine, my stomach got a lot worse. I had a runny stomach for the whole week after that. I missed out on a lot of girls. Thanks a lot, guys!

A few years back, the Los Angeles Times did an investigation into Chinese medicine in China town. They claimed to have cures for every disease, including cancer and the flu. The flu medicine was supposed to make you profuslely sweat the virus out of your body. Upon analysis, this medicine was found to contain a hefty dose of mercury, 1000 times safe level. When ingested, the body was in shock by the heavy mercury dose. It quickly shuts down the kidney functions, making the body sweat out the poison in body fluids. Take a few doses of that and you may be in a long waiting list for kidneys transplant.

A close friend had terminal lung cancer. His lungs were all rotted out. Cancer was spreading everywhere in his body. Doctors gave him up to die in 3 months. He moved home and waited. His family was hopeless so they decided to bring in Chinese medicine men. They were all smiling, reassuring him and his family that they could cure the cancer and prolong his life with their herbal potions. His family would boil the herbal mixtures in clay pots all day. He had to drink down these black, bitter potions 5 times a day, each dose costing about $100. He still died at the end of 3 months. His family blew $50K for all those potions. I suggested the family sue the lying bastards to get their money back, but stressed out over the illness, they forgot to ask for written guarantees...

One Wing Low
10-08-07, 04:25
Arrived in SZ, within the first 18 hours had done 2 girls, had 4 shots. Both were young, good-looking, making all the right passionate noises in bed...Looking for the camera cable so I can post a few pics.

Prices are cheap, supply of the girls are plentiful, many young, clean, good-looking girls can be found both day and night. Supposedly the best-looking girls are drawn to SZ where they can make good money.

There are far many more good restaurants and other things to do in SZ. It's very hard to leave SZ for another city. My dick kept thinking of canceling all other travel plans to stay in SZ for a while.

Master Monger
10-08-07, 14:12
We all write posts based on personal experiences, so I can say this, If you really want anal, call me up, and I will take you to a place with pretty girls who will give you anal for 150 - 200RMB if your dick isn't too big. I have been in China for almost 3 years now and I have had HUNDREDS of girls, of those maybe 20 or 30 had the skills to make me cum in their mouth, but most stopped moving when I came and after I stopped cumming they spit it out. Only a few didn't stop sucking and only 2 swallowed but they were girlfriends. Anyway I took "One Wing Low" out yesterday and I am sure he can tell you I know what I am talking about.

If you are interested call me,
Travis [Telephone Number deleted by Admin]
Master Monger

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One Wing Low
10-08-07, 16:35
He's known to his Chinese friends as Mr. Promiscuous.

He's really connected to local people. He knows where all the good deals are.
He's the only one I know who has girls, including BBS pros, hanging out with him all day, giving sex to him for free.

He's in a very nice and convenient location for mongering. I went out with him and his friends to a few places, had great times.

He knows how to treat the girls right, making them feel good about themselves, giving them fun and big orgasms. It's no surprise girls, including the pros, keep coming back to him for more.

Soulman
10-10-07, 04:35
MM,

I arrvied in SZ this morning and staying at new Intercontinental. Plan to swing by Seibu for early afternoon fun and open for more mongering tonight and tomorrow.

PM me bro!


We all write posts based on personal experiences, so I can say this, If you really want anal, call me up, and I will take you to a place with pretty girls who will give you anal for 150 - 200RMB if your dick isn't too big. I have been in China for almost 3 years now and I have had HUNDREDS of girls, of those maybe 20 or 30 had the skills to make me cum in their mouth, but most stopped moving when I came and after I stopped cumming they spit it out. Only a few didn't stop sucking and only 2 swallowed but they were girlfriends. Anyway I took "One Wing Low" out yesterday and I am sure he can tell you I know what I am talking about.

If you are interested call me,
Travis [Telephone Number deleted by Admin]
Master Monger

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One Wing Low
10-11-07, 11:42
The first one is very pretty, smiling throughout, with the standard SZ moaning and squirming in bed, but she was in a hurry to get back to her job.

The second is also very pretty but much sweeter by far. She cheerfully complied with all my requests and gave me one of the most passionate session ever. There was nothing phony in all of her expressions of joy and passion in bed.

She also cheerfully allowed me lots of sexy pics. How can anyone not love a sweet, pretty girl like that??

Wei Ni
10-11-07, 11:48
Looks really really nice, One Wing Low. You must had great times !

One Wing Low
10-12-07, 13:33
master monger told me i had to try this fabulous hand job. allegedlythe girls can tease and bring you near the climax many times and keep delaying it until you erupt in a volcanic climax.

exiting the golden luohu, turn right on seafood street, walk for half a block. on your right hand side you will find a metal gate into an alley that would fit 2 cars. look into that alley, you should see the hand-job factory on the right-hand side. it's a barber shop with 2 lighted rolling collumn and blue/white flashing lights.

there were 4 girls lounging on the couch. the best-looking one was eating a bowl of rice so i left her alone. i picked the next best-looking girl, slightly chubby. she took me into a tiny room with a strong smell of [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109). it has a single bed with very dirty sheet, probably been there unwashed for years. i felt like throwing up, but had to try mm's recoomndation. i asked her about prices and she confirmed 40y by writing into her palm.

she gave me a full body massage, similar to the foot massage in the walter hotel in cp. she used her weight to twist my back and crack my spinal column like the best chiropractors in the us. during the whole time she was talking and kidding around with me and my electronic translator.

at the end, she made hand gestures for 40y for the hand job. wtf. i would not agree, so we ended in an impasse. eventually i had to try mm's highly recommended hand job, so i told her to go ahead.

she went out and got a bunch of paper tissue and a large lotion bottle, and proceeded to pull and tug on my dick...i had a hard on and in turn was squeezing her boobies and her crotch. she would close her eyes and start moaning, cooing, hissing, panting like she was having her orgasms. what a crock full of shit. if it works for other guys then it's ok by me, but i could not get anywhere close to a climax. i gestured to her that i wanted to fuck her pussy but she declined. after a long time, i told her to stop, packed up and left.

would not come back.

Soulman
10-12-07, 14:38
OWL,

Good 1. MM took me to hand job place Wed afternoon and I think I wrote "nice acting". Maybe they learn thing or 2 from western porno flicks on ooh aahs...

Met with Schubbe and we went to Seibu yesterday around 5 PM. It was rather busy there with many local and HK guys roaming around. Finally settled on a cutie. Funny as she look and had same body as SW I picked up Wed night. I think I lucked out as she was enjoying the session having had my share of dead frigid BBS girls. She was frinedly and playful. I think key to picking up BBS gilrs are how good their attitudes are. Rate was 150 - 50 to mommy and 100 to girl. Gave her 20 tip.

Schubbe and I went to SZ KTV near Overseas Chinese Village. His date was HOT but sleepy one. He sure can sing considering 1st KTV for him. My date was cold and boring which is kind a rare.

Heading back to Seibu to pick up another SW. Back to states Sat.


Master Monger told me I had to try this fabulous hand job. Allegedlythe girls can tease and bring you near the climax many times and keep delaying it until you erupt in a volcanic climax.

She went out and got a bunch of paper tissue and a large lotion bottle, and proceeded to pull and tug on my dick...I had a hard on and in turn was squeezing her boobies and her crotch. She would close her eyes and start moaning, cooing, hissing, panting like she was having her orgasms. What a crock full of shit. If it works for other guys then It's OK by me, but I could not get anywhere close to a climax. I gestured to her that I wanted to fuck her pussy but she declined. After a long time, I told her to stop, packed up and left.

Would not come back.

JuiceGuy
10-16-07, 15:39
The first one is very pretty, smiling throughout, with the standard SZ moaning and squirming in bed, but she was in a hurry to get back to her job.

The second is also very pretty but much sweeter by far. She cheerfully complied with all my requests and gave me one of the most passionate session ever. There was nothing phony in all of her expressions of joy and passion in bed.

She also cheerfully allowed me lots of sexy pics. How can anyone not love a sweet, pretty girl like that??

One Wing Low,

Where did you find them? Was it a bar and if so which one? Soapy? KTV? Please let us know. Thanks!

One Wing Low
10-16-07, 20:32
I couple bros will get together in SZ Wednesday night. How about a dinner, cruise the BBS to pick up your chicks, then take them to a nice KTV for a party?

Anyone interested please PM me.

One Wing Low
10-16-07, 21:51
Went with a couple local guys to a sauna. They said Dongguan saunas have prettier girls but 1-hour drive away; Meilin is only half.

Vienna has 5 hotels in SZ, only the one in Meilin has a sauna. It's a 5-star hotel, very nice, sparkling clean with polished marble floor inside. These local guys know the management well. They were treated like VIPs and were grobing the young mamasans as we walked to the rooms. They brought in a few line ups, nothing attractive. They said after-dinner crowd took most of the girls. Told my friends unless I found someone I really like, I would skip it and wait for them in the lounge. Finally picked one in a long pink soiree, just like a wedding dress. She is taller, voluptuous with a pretty face. It turned out that the ones in pink dresses are super stars at 800RMB, blues are stars at 600 RMB and whites are regular at 400 RMB. She was the only Pink in a line up of 20.

Went with her into a very nice, clean, big room, 5-star quality. She took her dress off showing a very nice, voluptuous body. Nice, round boobies with small, erect pink nips. She's probably in late 20's. Gave me a thorough wash on a table shower. She was cheerful and talkative. She told me lots of things which I did not understand.

Went back to bed, she gave me a hot tea lick all over my body. The tea was very hot on my skin, so it must have burned her mouth. Poor girl. She asked me to get on all four then gave me a deep ass rim job. These treatments did not appeal to me so I was looking forward to fucking that voluptuous body.

She gave me a credible BJ with a lot of tongue action on the little head. It aroused me quickly. I just had dinner with a lot of alcohol, so It took along time to come. I remember sucking on both of her pink nips while playing with her clit. It was delicious. Then I had my dick inside her pink pussy while avoiding kissing her mouth knowing the ass rimming she just did.

As I pounded her fine body, she was making a lot of noise so may be she got something out of it. Due to the alcohol, I dont remember how I came, but we fell asleep in each other arms for the balance of the 2 hours alotted. When they called to wake us up, it was past midnight. She wrote up an invoice for 800 RMB, not asking for tip. Considering most professionals in SZ make 2000-3000RMB a month working their asses off, hers is a very lucrative job.

Went to the front desk to pay with a credit card. Found out the other guys had finished long time ago and were waiting in the lounge. They took the regular girls and all wondered if the super star was worth the extra money. It costed 800RMB for the girl and 286RMB for the room. Kind of expensive compared to the BBS girls in SZ, but not everyday can you fall asleep in the arms of a beautiful girl in a fancy hotel.

One Wing Low
10-17-07, 19:20
Went looking with a few bros about 10PM. The sidewalk in front of Seibu dept store had 50 girls eating, drinking. Allegedly these are freelancers. I tend to think they are BBS rejects. Looks like these mamasans cant afford to rent shops in the alleys, so they show their goods and do business on the streets.

Found a tall girl eating a corn on the cob. She looks pretty but not interested in us. The mamasan said 300RMB short time. Fuck that. we walked away. The 2 mamasan followed us more than a block, trying to get the deal back, but we declined. These girls seemed very rough and rude.

Went around Seibu's 5 alleys, which are parallel to Shennan Rd East. There were many girls of all sizes and shapes in the BBS. A few were tall with big boobs, long legs, pretty faces, model materials.

Found a very fresh, pretty, young girl. She is new. Take away 150Y, long term 600Y since the night was still young. Gave 50Y to mamasan and walked her back to hotel. she said her name is Xiao Shue. She's very pretty with large real breasts. She was smiling shyly. Was caressing her body. Her pussy was all wet and sloppy. Did not take long for her to feel good. She was moaning, gasping with pleasure, a very nice and sweet girl. she was acting just like a horny GF without the DFK. Nice session, 2 pops. She never rushed to get back to her job. The girls from the alleys have been very nice and polite.

She's new in the area, did not know how to return. Walked around with her trying to find a ATM to give her some tips. Walked her back to mamasan as promised. She gave all the money to mamasan to count. She was sort of crying with the mamasan something about I did not give her enough money. I pointed to the pocket where she kept the money. Mamasan found the 100RMB bill in her pocket. Mamasan gave back all the money to her. Seems she could keep all the money I gave her. A very nice, sweet, pretty girl.

Vedado Fun
10-17-07, 23:50
Went looking with a few bros about 10PM. The sidewalk in front of Seibu dept store had 50 girls eating, drinking. Allegedly these are freelancers. I tend to think they are BBS rejects.

Found a tall girl eating a corn. She looks pretty. The mamasan said 300RMB short time. Fuck that. we walked away. The 2 mamasan followed us more than a block, trying to get the deal back but we declined.

Went around the Seibu's ally. There were many girls of all sizes and shapes in the BBS. A few were tall with big boobs, long legs, model materials.

Found a very pretty young girl. Take away 150Y, long term 600RMB since the night was still young. Went back to hotel. She was very pretty with large size real breasts. Was caressing her body . She was all wet. did not take long for her to feel good. She was a very nice and sweet girl.

Nice 2 session 1 pop. Walked her back to mamasan as promised. She gave all the money to mamasan to count. She was sort of crying with the mamasan smeting about I did not give her enough. I pointed to the pocket that she kept the money. They found the 100RMB billin her pocket. Seems she could keep all the tips. A very nice, pretty and sweet girl.Beautiful girl. Great price too. Someday I hope to go there. Maybe next year.

One Wing Low
10-18-07, 19:26
I came back tonight, found Xiao Shue working for a new mamasan. So you just have to walk around to find her. There are many others as good looking as she.


She is a cracker in my book! Looks good - nice make-up.
Does she speak any English?
Am visiting HK in December and SZ in March (separate trips). I would not mind meeting her. Any information on her?
Would I just have to walk about as you did to hopefully find her.

One Wing Low
10-18-07, 19:35
Came back to the hotel from an official party at 1AM. Decided to find a girl for ST, possible LT.

Walked the alleys in Seibu. There were many girls as well as many groups of mongers parading around. Found Xiao Shue working for a new mamasan, so they trade girls like sports teams trade players. She is a nice, pretty girl. she picked up her bag, ready to go with me, but I had to turn her down.

Found La La nearby, who's even prettier and friendlier. The papasan said 150Y. Gave him 50Y and took her away. She has a very pretty face and almost perfect soft skin, with large, natural boobies. Her body is very nice. Gave me a BBBJ without even asking. She then laid back waiting for sex. Must say she's very good at it. She took it like a pro, very anxious to please. Really wanted her to stay the night. Asked her, she said 800Y. It's 2AM for Christ's sake. Damn.

She's pretty and sweet, knows how to please men and was very serious about customer satisfaction. I really wanna see this girl again.

Wizzy2007
10-18-07, 20:09
Came back to the hotel from an official party at 1AM. Decided to find a girl for ST, ppossible LT.

Walked the alleys in Seibu. There were many girls as well as many groups of mongers parading around. Found Xiao Shue working for a new mamasan so they trade girls like sports teams trade players. She is a nice, pretty girl. she picked up her bag, ready to go with me, but I had to turn her down.

Found la La nearby, who's even prettier and friendlier. The papasan said 150Y. Gave him 50Y and took her away. She has a very pretty face and almost perfect soft skin, with large, natural boobies. Her body is very nice. she gave me a BBBJ without even asking. She then laid back waiting for sex. Must say she's very good at it. She took it like a pro. she was very anxious to please. Really wanted her to stay the night. Asked her,she said 800Y. Damn

She's pretty and sweet, know how to please men and was ver serious about customer satisfaction. I really wanna see this girl again. Hope you are a real experienced monger dear Wing Low! Can you please answer my three questions?

1. Why each time it is necessary to get a WG through mamasan or papasan?

A direct approach could be more exciting also since neither the girl nor the mamas speaks english I see no difference! U know better than me so tell me please!

2. Standing outside Panglin Hilton facing SUnshine Hotel which direction can I take leading to Seibu Dept store and those areas you mentioned? .

3. How about personal safety in those areas around Seibu.

Thanks Winglow!

Jackthelad2
10-18-07, 21:14
One Wing Low

Still prefer the first one - Xiao Shue - but then again beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Would not shove any of them out of the bed to be honest.
Lucky man!

One Wing Low
10-19-07, 01:36
There are many hair and make up shops in the alleys of Seibu. In the after noon, the girls start to be dolled up for work.

Since Xiao Shue is brand-new in the business, she's very naive. She gave all the tip to the mamasan to count, then cried quietly as she felt she was short-changed. I had to point out the money I gave her before the tip, which she put in her pocket then forgot.

As an insecured newbie, she probably prefers darker eyeshades to make her look pretty. The more worldy girls probably prefer more subtle make up. If you like them all dolled up, then Xiao Shue is yours. She was squirming, moaning and gasping for air throughout the session like she was having series of continuous orgasms. Just the thought of her squirming in bed makes me horny again. She is just incredily fresh, nice, sexy and sweet.

She did give me her tel number and was very adept at texting furiously on her expensive mobile phone as she walks. She seems to be a city girl. However, she hardly speaks any English. I had a hard time getting her name out of her.

Bring along an electronic translator. You can type in 'name' and make it pronounce the word in Chinese. Everyone, including highly educated freebies, just love to play with it. It's a great ice-breaker everywhere you go. For about US$100 It's a great help. Search in eBay.

Now that you remind me of my highly erotic session with Xiao Shue, I have to go back to Seibu alleys to look fo rmy sweetheart for...breakfast.

Life is good.



One Wing Low

Still prefer the first one - Xiao Shue - but then again beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Would not shove any of them out of the bed to be honest.
Lucky man!

Old Mean Dog
10-19-07, 03:10
OWL,

Did you inquire into what she did before becoming a hooker? The reason I ask is from your comment here:


She did give me her tel number and was very adept at texting furiously on her expensive mobile phone as she walks. She seems to be a city girl.

The reason I ask, is because of Crazier's post in the DG thread:


The best indication that a girl is compromising her "morals" is her mobile phone! The more expensive, the more likely she has a financial sponsor be it long time or short time or a quick fling!

Looks very cute and hot, but how are you so sure she has not been around the block a few times, maybe a 2nd wife?

-CPE

One Wing Low
10-19-07, 05:07
I speak only 10 Chinese words. Most of it have to do with food. I believe actions are stronger than words, so I just do it. Why don't you ask Xiao Shue all these romantic questions and hand me your inventory of mail-order brides so I can break them in and train them for all wifely duties, hehehe?

Xiao Shue seemed brand-new into the business. She spent all the time with me doing 2 pops, then walked around with me all over looking for an ATM, then she did not know how to count her money. She gave all the money to the mamasan to count for her. But she's very quick at texting on her mobile phone.

Xiao Shue really enjoyed sex. She was delirious, moaning, gasping, squirming, like it was her first time fucking her boyfriend.

She seemed very sad and depressed. Perhaps she was recently dumped by some guys. I managed to cheer her up and she was smiling shyly. Overall the Seibu girls have all enjoyed sex and showed it. Their sexy expressions are priceless.



OWL,

Did you inquire into what she did before becoming a hooker? The reason I ask is from your comment here:



The reason I ask, is because of Crazier's post in the DG thread:



Looks very cute and hot, but how are you so sure she has not been around the block a few times, maybe a 2nd wife?

-CPE

One Wing Low
10-19-07, 05:42
all this talk about xiao shue made me horny. so i took a shower and walked out for coffee and breakfast.

went into seibu alleys looking for xiao shue. did not find her. there were a lot of girls in the shops, a few i did before. some of them were eating their noodle, smiling at me, so i left them alone. the big mamasan was pulling me into her shop, trying to push me into the room behind the lounge with her girls. a few girls joned in. they all ganged up on me; i could not pull out. i had to tell mamasan 'bao an.' she frowned then stopped.

there were a few tall and shapely girls with pretty faces, wearing fashionable clothes, almost runway model type. they look older, like mid 20's , and higher mileage than others.

decided to take tata. she has a cute face and was smiling sweetly at me. she did not wanna go to hotel. she wanna do it on premises. she wanted 200y take out. gave 50y to mamasan. mamasan wanted 100y upfront, but she could stick that proposal up her big ass. seems like all money you give to the girls stay with them. anything you give to the mamasans the girls would never see again.

wrote room number on the hotel card and gave it to tata. there are way too many people in the hotel lobby in the morning. dont wanna go through the 'walk of shame' and give them chance to pry into our sexcapade. the day before, an asian businesswoman was staring at me and my young girl for 10 minutes as we waited for the elevator. she must be wondering why an old, ugly biitch like her never get fucked by a rich, handsome guy like me. why does it always have to be these fresh, young, sweet, pretty girls who get the fucks of their lives and get beaucoup money on top of it?

went back to hotel room. 5 minutes later tata knocked on the door. she smiled broadly and happily when she saw me. complimented her about her prettiness then immediately asked for her pictures while she's still fully clothed. after she take them off she will be highly resistant against pics. took a few pics of her. she does have a pretty face.

she motioned to me to take a shower with her. her body is not as hard as the other girls. she looks like in her mid 20. her boobies are smaller and soft. i lathered her up and rubbed my dick against her soapy crotch. very sexy and arousing. put a lot of soap inside her pussy so she has to wash it out carefully. she washed me out carefully. she seemed experienced in taking care of others. she may even have married and had kids...

got into bed with her, played with the clit and her small nips. she was dazed in pleasure. she kept caressing my stiff dick, occasionaly gazing at it. she sure as hell wasn't gazing into my eyes. asked her for bbbj. she refused, wanted cover. i insisted and she complied. she did a bit of tongueplay on the tip but her suction was weak. unlike xiao shue, tata seems experienced in her sexual practices.

asked her to do cowgirl. she got on top of me, slowly inserting my member into her tight pussy, then proceeded to pump vigorously, moaning, shaking her head, thrashing her long hair around. i bucked my hip against her moves. her face was all twisted in pleasure. i had to slow her down lest i pop too quickly. i sat up, having her sitting down on my crotch. this way i can see my dick sliding in and out of her. she did a whole bunch of powerful sit up in this position, her ass was slamming down hard on my lap, yee haw.... she really enjoyed [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) me in this position for awhile. i had to slow her down by holding her in a tight embrace. she kept bucking her hip, grinding her pussy against my shaft, trying to continue the best fuck of her life.

pinned her down to do missionary. she showed a lot of joyful expressions. the harder i pumped, the more she was moaning, panting, biting her lips, grunting, thashing around...occasionally she lifted her head to look at my dick furiously sliding in and out of her pussy. that's what i like about chinese girls. they all show genuine expressions of love and joy, a pleasure to have sex with.

i had to stop to take a break. she could not wait to resume. she had her hand on my dick all along to make sure it remained stiff. she then greedily inserted my dick into her pussy and started bucking again...i was grinding my crotch against hers very hard. she was writhing in pleasure. she was squeezing me very hard, would not let me go...we did it for a long time before i popped. she seemed to have reached climax a couple times. for a little girl, tata's passion just quietly erupted like a volcano. could not stop her from [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) me if i had hired 2 dozens soon-to-be unemployed blackwater contractors...hehehe.

despite the passion she showed when she was [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) me, tata was average in the fun department. she was so serious while having her fun that it was not fun for me. she did have the fuck of her life since she was just lying there in bed, panting like a pig, after the sex act...

i still like lala a lot more since she was a lot more fun to have around. she was clowning and kidding around throughout which was very nice. she seems a wholesome (for xiaojies and otherwise) and very happy girl, the opposite of xiao shue. however, i like them all, breakfast, lunch, dinner then mid-night snack, then early morning
night cap before bed...just so that you guys can be jealous. at this rate i am gonna wear down all the girls in seibu and loosen them all up before you guys get here, hehehe....

so far chinese girls, with their pretty faces, smooth, unblemished skin, tight, lean bodies, gentle manners, and their exquisite expressions of love and joy, are my favorite...fuck the rest of the world.

One Wing Low
10-19-07, 07:17
1. The girls sit around in mamasans' shop and rely on mamasans to biitch, beg, bully the johns into their shops. So they have to split the front money to mamasans. Even the 'homeless' girls on the street in front of Seibu department store have mamasans to do the leg work for them. You can talk to the girls directly all you want, but the mamasans still claim 50Y fee for their stores. Only give 50Y to mamasans. The rest give to the girls so they can keep it.

2. From Panglin hotel on Dong Men East, cross the street then turn right. You will find the Seibu department store about 200 yards away at the next intersection. The BBS are in the alleys behind the department store. Just walk around and find the metal gates leading to the alleys. The main alleys should run parallel with Dong Men and Shannen Luo. Any stores having pinkish or purple fluorescent lights are pussy depots...

3. Safety wise, I never had any problems or felt any threats. These pimps and mamasans are there to make money, not to collect dead laowais' bodies, so they will make sure you are alive to crawl back with more money. However, there was a big fight the night before yesterday and the area was slowed down between 9-12PM.

You should wallk the alleys like you have a squad of Blackwater contractors behind your back. Then you'll be OK.

As I walk throught the valley of the pink pussies, I shall fear no evil, as the Force is with me...



Hope you are a real experienced monger dear Wing Low! Can you please answer my three questions?

1. Why each time it is necessary to get a WG through mamasan or papasan?

A direct approach could be more exciting also since neither the girl nor the mamas speaks english I see no difference! U know better than me so tell me please!

2. Standing outside Panglin Hilton facing SUnshine Hotel which direction can I take leading to Seibu Dept store and those areas you mentioned? .

3. How about personal safety in those areas around Seibu.

Thanks Winglow!

One Wing Low
10-19-07, 20:55
i was in seibu alley at 1 am, walking around for 15 minutes, finally found a tall, sweet, pretty girl. the alleys were full of girls, may be 100 of them, beckoning to the johns and horsing around among themselves. there were groups of young and old mongers, checking out the offers. it was a very lively scene.

was negotiating with the aggressive mamasan in a red tennis shirt for 400y all night with a pretty girl , when suddenly girls all rep001tered everywhere. mamasans turned off their lights and closed their metal doors. most people ran out to the major alleys, looking in. i knew there was raid. the alleys were dark, deserted and quiet.

dozens of girls and mamasans ran out to the major alley, hanging around. lala was hanging out kidding aroud with her friends. she conned me into buying a bundle of grapes for her. she is a very happy and fun girl, always smiling, so i treated her to it. grapes cost 90y per pound, so a bundle costed 30y. a lot of food items, like meats, cost twice as much as the us. and they earn about 20 times less. poor people. i feel for them. somehow they manage to smile a lot more often than we do. back on the street, lala was smiling, chatting and sharing the grapes with her friends.

i went back to the aggressive mamasan's shop. she was waiting for phone calls for all-clear signals. i found 5 undercover cops interogating the tall model girl in the alley. they wore dark clothing carrying knapsacks on their shoulders just like horny hk fuckers. look closely you will see the radio they carry on the belt behind their backs. they took her paper and made threatening gestures towards her. after a while, they left 1 guy sitting there with her while the rest went into the apartments searching. dont know what they were looking for. they only detained the model. there were wg's and mamasans hanging out all over the big, lighted alley waiting to get back to business.

the mamasan took me by the hand into a small room behind her display room. there were 6 girls sitting on a couch, hiding. more were coming down the stairs behind the room. she now said all night can be had for 200y for the homely girl, then 300y for the prettier ones...she wanted money up front. she was desperate. made a deal for 200y st with the pretty girl. gave her 50y and the hotel card and left. the most i would lose would be 50y.

went back to the hotel room and waited a long time. thought she broke the deal. one hour later the mamasan took the girl over. she conveniently forgot about the 50y deposit and wanted 200y. long and loud arguments. the girl turned around and wanted to leave. finally i gave up, shooing her away, then she accepted my 150y. she went into the bathroom, closed the door and split the money with the girl. when she was ready to leave, she begged for another 20y. what a dumb biitch. she pissed me off.

this girl is young, said her name was tuck, with nice boobies and body but she is very rough. to everything she says a loud 'no.' she would not give me a bj. damn. she put a chinese condom on me which was small and only covered 2/3 of my dick. and i thought i have a pencil dick. pounded her tight pussy for a while. she was moaning but nothing special. i am glad i did not take her all night. i could not stand her rudeness. after the act, she was smoking in the room. i told her to leave firmly. that really shook her up. i would avoid this girl. now i have to find another girl to make up for her problem.

as there have been many raids before, hopefully this pussy paradise will survive them.

Old Mean Dog
10-20-07, 04:01
Why don't you ask Xiao Shue all these romantic questions and hand me your inventory of mail-order brides so I can break them in and train them for all wifely duties, hehehe?

Nice, seems some of you are a little jealous of my business. It's funny though, how some MONGERS slag what I am doing here as if it is immoral. LOL

If you want to browse my inventory, PM me and make sure you drop by the ATM first, because my services ain't cheap.

Anyway, have fun with you adventures.

-CPE

One Wing Low
10-20-07, 04:28
It's right across from the Seibu Dept store where the girls hang out. It's easier to have the girls walk over if they know it's close.


Hello,

I am new to the boards but have done some 'research' on here and will be heading into SZ for a day or two beginning of Nov.

I was wondering if anybody knows anything about these hotels. They are all in the Luohu area but not so sure how close to Seibu they are. If you can help me out and let me know if they are Girl Friendly and a decent location or which one you'd recommend it would be greatly appreciated.

Golden Lustre Hotel

Shanshui Fashion Hotel

Metropark Hotel

Empire Hotel

Also, does 'CP' mean Crowne Plaza? I searched the boards and couldn't find an answer.

Thanks all,

Ye Lo Pan

One Wing Low
10-20-07, 11:20
Came back to Seibu alleys after a late lunch. The police van and motorcycles were gone. All pussy depots were back in business as usual. Found Lala taking a John into her apartment. She was avoiding my eyes.

Found the pretty girl I wanted last night. She agreed on 200Y take out, then pouted not wanting to go. Her mamasan pleaded to no avail. Took the 50Y deposit back from mamasan and pushed on.

Found Xiao Mi sitting, smiling in a store. She's leggy and taller than most, about 5'5, look even taller in high heels. Negotiated a 150Y take out. Xiao Mi was happy to go. Her mamasan is a younger and thinner woman, sometimes carrying her baby, with a shop in the middle of the block. she' a lot more reasonable than th eother mamasans. Gave her the 50Y deposit with the hotel card and asked Xiao Mi to follow in 5 minutes.

Went back to hotel room to get ready. Within 5 minutes, Xiao Mi was knocking on the door. She was smiling and playful. Asked her for pics but she was shy. Had to show her the pics looked good. Took a few. She is very leggy, nice legs, nice round boobies, slim sexy body... Nice all around. She has a tatoo of a small butterlfy in blue and red on her left hand.

She took a good shower then we headed into bed. She was always smiling pleasurably. She kissed me on my upper torso and bit lightly on my nipples. My dead dick slowly started to show signs of a resurrection...She wanna put on the condom for the BJ but I insisted on BB. She complied. She was not of the Hoover brand... nothing special.

We did it in cow girl, then sitting lotus, then missionary. She was making all the shrieking noise, loud enough to drown out the TV sound from next room. I did some hard pounding on Xiao Mi but could not come. The Seibu girls did wear me down. Xiao Mi seemed to enjoy the situation. She was spreading her thighs wider for deeper and deeper penetration. Our crotches were hitting hard. I had to fantasize about my ex GF whom I still love very much. She looked tall and leggy just like Xiao Mi....Then I came. We were both laying in bed, panting like dogs at noon on a Texas hot day...

Xiao Mi is very nice, fun, pretty, classy and personable, a sophisticated girl, someone I would love to take out all day to tour local scenes and have sex with all night. Have her tel if any bro wanna have take outs without braving the alleys.

One Wing Low
10-20-07, 20:23
hi Bounce,

Would love to hang out with you. I was with a bunch of bros earlier in the week. They all left me, probably because I dont look pretty and dont carry a pussy...hehehe.

Have fun and help your bros. Will try to hook up with you.



Hello All,

Finally back in SZ, got in tonight after taking a 3 hour bus ride from GZ; actually cheaper than flying into HK and taking the ferry.

Didn't get a chance to change much RMB yet as the damn hotel doesn't exchange. Just going to a regular footie before I head off to bed. Am staying in Hua Qiang Bei.

Will have tomorrow 21st free, afternoon/evening and into the night, wouldn't mind a reasonable party with BBS girls and KTV if seasoned mongers go along.

Flying to Shanghai tomorrow, back in SZ for a few more days of mongering on the 26th.

PM me if you'd like to hook up. Would like to hang out with OWL, CPExpat or MM, Dan Hawaii, etc. I don't know you, love your work.

One Wing Low
10-20-07, 20:33
The girls in SZ are much younger and better-looking than Shanghai and Beijing.

I did find a very sweet-looking girl in a Shanghai bar whom I would love to fuck all night. She was negotiating like an old guy licensed to practice accounting and laws at the same time. So I had to drop her.

Did find a few good-looking girls in BJ and passed on contact infos to a few bros, who have made positive contacts.

This girl Xiao Mi is just too pretty, happy and classy, a rare combination. I would not mind taking her to high-class parties, where all upper-society guys would probably beg to lick her ass in return for her sexuality....

I passed on her tel to a few bros. Please treat her nice, guys...


WOW very nice OWL. Wish she was Shanghaiese, or at least in Shanghai

ES

Erik
10-20-07, 22:43
So I understand this lucky bastard paid 150 to 200 Y for such a cuty. Well, this teaches a lesson to all the mongers in China who cash out 800, 1000 Y and more to girls not even as lovely and nicely shaped as this gem.



Came back to Seibu alleys after a late lunch. The police van and motorcycles were gone. All pussy depots were back in business as usual. Found Lala taking a John into her apartment. She was avoiding my eyes.

Found the pretty girl I wanted last night. She agreed on 200Y take out, then pouted not wanting to go. Her mamasan pleaded to no avail. Took the 50Y deposit back from mamasan and pushed on.

Found Xiao Mi sitting, smiling in a store. She's leggy and taller than most, about 5'5, look even taller in high heels. Negotiated a 150Y take out. Xiao Mi was happy to go. Her mamasan is a younger and thinner woman, sometimes carrying her baby, with a shop in the middle of the block. she' a lot more reasonable than th eother mamasans. Gave her the 50Y deposit with the hotel card and asked Xiao Mi to follow in 5 minutes.

Went back to hotel room to get ready. Within 5 minutes, Xiao Mi was knocking on the door. She was smiling and playful. Asked her for pics but she was shy. Had to show her the pics looked good. Took a few. She is very leggy, nice legs, nice round boobies, slim sexy body... Nice all around. She has a tatoo of a small butterlfy in blue and red on her left hand.

She took a good shower then we headed into bed. She was always smiling pleasurably. She kissed me on my upper torso and bit lightly on my nipples. My dead dick slowly started to show signs of a resurrection...She wanna put on the condom for the BJ but I insisted on BB. She complied. She was not of the Hoover brand... nothing special.

We did it in cow girl, then sitting lotus, then missionary. She was making all the shrieking noise, loud enough to drown out the TV sound from next room. I did some hard pounding on Xiao Mi but could not come. The Seibu girls did wear me down. Xiao Mi seemed to enjoy the situation. She was spreading her thighs wider for deeper and deeper penetration. Our crotches were hitting hard. I had to fantasize about my ex GF whom I still love very much. She looked tall and leggy just like Xiao Mi....Then I came. We were both laying in bed, panting like dogs at noon on a Texas hot day...

Xiao Mi is very nice, fun, pretty, classy and personable, a sophisticated girl, someone I would love to take out all day to tour local scenes and have sex with all night. Have her tel if any bro wanna have take outs without braving the alleys.

MpfsLover
10-21-07, 00:28
OWL,

Thanks for all you field reports and with pics.

Sharing your experiences and photos is what this forum is all about. Nice to see you enjoyed SZ scenic places and tasted the local delicacies.

cheers,
mpfslover



Came back to Seibu alleys after a late lunch. The police van and motorcycles were gone. All pussy depots were back in business as usual. Found Lala taking a John into her apartment. She was avoiding my eyes.

Found the pretty girl I wanted last night. She agreed on 200Y take out, then pouted not wanting to go. Her mamasan pleaded to no avail. Took the 50Y deposit back from mamasan and pushed on.

Found Xiao Mi sitting, smiling in a store. She's leggy and taller than most, about 5'5, look even taller in high heels. Negotiated a 150Y take out. Xiao Mi was happy to go. Her mamasan is a younger and thinner woman, sometimes carrying her baby, with a shop in the middle of the block. she' a lot more reasonable than th eother mamasans. Gave her the 50Y deposit with the hotel card and asked Xiao Mi to follow in 5 minutes.

Went back to hotel room to get ready. Within 5 minutes, Xiao Mi was knocking on the door. She was smiling and playful. Asked her for pics but she was shy. Had to show her the pics looked good. Took a few. She is very leggy, nice legs, nice round boobies, slim sexy body... Nice all around. She has a tatoo of a small butterlfy in blue and red on her left hand.

She took a good shower then we headed into bed. She was always smiling pleasurably. She kissed me on my upper torso and bit lightly on my nipples. My dead dick slowly started to show signs of a resurrection...She wanna put on the condom for the BJ but I insisted on BB. She complied. She was not of the Hoover brand... nothing special.

We did it in cow girl, then sitting lotus, then missionary. She was making all the shrieking noise, loud enough to drown out the TV sound from next room. I did some hard pounding on Xiao Mi but could not come. The Seibu girls did wear me down. Xiao Mi seemed to enjoy the situation. She was spreading her thighs wider for deeper and deeper penetration. Our crotches were hitting hard. I had to fantasize about my ex GF whom I still love very much. She looked tall and leggy just like Xiao Mi....Then I came. We were both laying in bed, panting like dogs at noon on a Texas hot day...

Xiao Mi is very nice, fun, pretty, classy and personable, a sophisticated girl, someone I would love to take out all day to tour local scenes and have sex with all night. Have her tel if any bro wanna have take outs without braving the alleys.

One Wing Low
10-21-07, 00:51
Hi Mpfslover,

Xiao Mi's pics were blurry since she did not wanna cooperate. However, the bros' got the general ideas that she has a very nice, lanky body with long, shapely legs....

I passed over not picking her up a couple times because of the tattoo on her left hand. She turned out to be very nice and obliging, a very classy girl.

Without the pics, the world would never know how good-looking Chinese girls are.

Will miss her....


OWL,

Thanks for all you field reports and with pics.

Sharing your experiences and photos is what this forum is all about. Nice to see you enjoyed SZ scenic places and tasted the local delicacies.

cheers,
mpfslover

One Wing Low
10-21-07, 01:54
Went out to a hot pot dinner with Master Monger, invited 4 of his friends who are young college girls. He made the moves on 2 girls and got them ready to fuck next time they meet again. He just met this young girl named Jessica. She is shy and quiet like a mouse. Yet in the back seat of the taxi while taking her home, the girl siddled up next to him, and he had his hands all over her, on her boobies and her crotch...she really wanted him, the lucky bastard.

At around midnight he called another girl, asking her to take her sister out to play with us. This girl looks young and pretty, the professional type. Her sister could not come. We all got into a taxi to go to U Bar in Luohu, which supposedly has a lot of English-speaking girls, the majority is Filipina. I grunted when I heard the Filipina part. MM's girl friend was asking if I dislike Filipinas. I said no, but I know how pushy and materialistic the Filipinas are. In the back seat, MM was putting the moves on this girl too, but she resisted...

U Bar was very crowded with a lot of expats. The music was very loud. We went to the smaller room which was less crowded and quieter, about half were expats, including a few women. There were about 10 Chinese/Filipina single girls sitting around the bars, talking to foreigners, or just waited for someone to talk to...They looked hungry for contacts, so they may well be pros.

MM introduced me to Mei Mei. She's probably in early 30's, about 5', has a pretty face, smooth light skin, slightly overweight. MM said this girl has very smooth skin and is 100% doable. He must have fucked her a few times. She said from Hainan, working in Shangri-la bar but lost her job. She now sleeps with guys, not for money, she doesnt do that, but for going shopping tomorrow. WTF is the difference I would never know. She kept repeating this theme, saying 1200Y for all night, making sure I agreed to the money for shopping part... I was disappointed but thinking 1200Y is not too bad. She does have a pretty face, and she knows MM. So I agreed. She kept saying she's Chinese, but she wears a cross around her neck. Her pushy manners are more like those of Filipina bar girls that I know...

We ordered drinks, about 40Y each. She said hungry so ordered a french fry plate. She was grabbing my crotch. I was caressing her soft skin, kissing her lips, feeling her up on her boobies and under her blue mini skirt. The rest of the bar was watching our antics. Fuck them. She wanted to go back to hotel. MM had to take his girl back to her home, so we all went. Looks like MM was gonna have to spank his own monkey tonight...

Back to the hotel, Mei Mei took off her clothes and took a shower. She showed a full figure with a slight paunch in her stomach. I was feeding her white wine, masquerading as sake to get her drunk. I was busy reading ISG posts, posting more pics of Xiao Mi, and answering the PM's. She sat naked in bed, asking me to fuck her or let her go....

I finally got ready and went to bed. Before I could touch her naked body, Mei Mei had her hand out. she said 'no money, no fuckey...' WTF. I thought she was kidding, but she was very serious. She's far worse than the Seibu BBS girls. She has no class. She must be one of the Filipina working girls. I was turned off by her cold manners, so I told her I would give her money in the morning. She told me money now or she would leave.

Now I am pissed. I thought she was a semi pro whom I would not mind giving money to. But she turned out to be a hardened pro. I would never wanna fuck someone that cold. The Chinese girls in Seibu BBS are much more personable, trusting and respectful. I got really angry at this Filipina who was so rude and cold. I would never give her a dime. I was happy to see her put on her blue dress and went out the door.

I told her to send the bill to Master Monger, who really thought he introduced a freebie to me...hehehe. U Bar is probably full of half chicks and half ducks...

One Wing Low
10-21-07, 08:50
i was cruising the seibu alleys with scorpion around 2pm. there were a lot of girls showcasing their goods in the bbs. so business is back to normal.

we went through alley after alley. a bunch of young hk guys were being dragged in by the girls. a tall, curvy young girl in a white dress appeared from the alley, smiling broadly, beckoning and waving at us. scorpio liked the looks of that girl, but he still wanted to find the last tall and leggy xiao mi.

we walked back to the alleys, asked around a couple mamasans. they had no idea who we were asking for. i had a bright idea of drawing a small butterfly onto scorpio's left hand and showed it to the mamasans. ahhhhhh... now the mamasan knew who we were after. she gave us a couple long strings of explanations with finger pointing, which were guessed that xiao mi may still be sleeping somewhere in her bed.

i went back to the middle alley, found a very innocent and sweet-looking young girl wearing a white skirt and blouse, sitting in a bbs. she's also tall and leggy just like xiao mi but looks even younger and sweeter. she looks like those beautiful japanese models in their damn airlines' calendars. i told scorpio that i could not pass her up. asked her name, she said xiao fuung (pron. xiao funk), smiling sweetly.

negotiated a take out, finally agreed for 200y. the mamasan wanted 100y up front which i refused. i wanted to give her 50y and 150y to xiao fuung, but xiao fuung finally confirmed that i should give 100y down payment to mamasan. gave her the hotel card with room number. they immediately understood that she was to follow me after 5 minutes. there is no point of publicizing my tryst with this beautiful young girl and raising any suspicion with the public. this was when scorpion volunteered to go look for that curvy girl in the white dress by himself. i told him i could come back to look for him after my little tryst with xiao fuung.

went back to the hotel room, 5 minutes later sweet, innocent xiao fuung rang the door bell. she's probably 5'6 without heels, looks like a runway model in her short white mini skirt and blouse. i asked for her pictures but she firmly resisted. she insisted that i take a shower.

she's skinnier than xiao mi with round, natural a cups. we were just lying naked in bed trying to communicate. she has very gentle speech manners, asking me many questions which i did not understand. i finally told her 'wo chung kwo...' 'wo ai ni...' and kissed her sweet, innocent face. she had a big laugh that i was such an obvious liar...

i took the durex lube on my fingers and started to play with her clit, kissing her breasts and sucking on her small nips. she closed her beautiful eyes and started moaning softly. her face was just so innocently beautiful among her silky, jet-black hair...i would never want to have such a pretty face suck on my dick, so i never asked.

i was kissing her all over her body, her soft breasts, her shoulder, her neck, her lips...her hand automatically found my dick and was gently stroking it. my finger gradually made it all the way inside her pussy, searching for that well-documented g-spot. she got very wet and sloppy. she smells good from head to toes. at times she would close her thighs, gripping my hand. her body was shaking and her face was contorted with pleasures... we played with each other's body for a long time. we were never in a hurry to do anything else. she was a very gentle girl and never rushed me.

xiao fuung appeared inexperienced and new to the business. we just did it the old-fashioned ways missionaries have been doing it every day for centuries...there is no need for any acrobatic act with this sweet, young, innocent girl. i just loved the looks of her pretty face full of pleasurable expressions as i made love to her beautiful body. as i was plowing into her faster and faster, she had her arms tight around my back in a loving embrace. her beautiful eyes with long eye lashes were closed shut. she was biting her lips, moaning louder and louder with my loving strokes...

i finally came, exhausted. i was panting, trying to catch my breath after the long session. she was breathing heavily. we just laid there embracing each other in the bright white sheet. she checked the condom and made sure i had my semen in it. what a nice girl.

we took a shower together. i was lathering up her lanky body and cleaned her up. she put her white mini skirt back on. what a gorgeous girl. she looked stunningly beautiful in that outfit. i asked her again to take her pics but she firmly declined.

i reluctantly let her go. i offered her cold juice bottles and the refrigerated fruits in the fridge, which she graciously accepted. i kissed her a few times on her pretty face before letting her out of the door. it's very hard to deny my affection and admiration for the beauty and good manners of these sweet chinese girls. they act with responsibility, sincerity and grace despite their dire poverty and difficult circumstances.

i have her tel number but no pics. really wonder if the seibu girls would ever do take outs with just phone calls.

Old Mean Dog
10-21-07, 12:48
They act with responsibility, sincerity and grace despite their dire poverty and difficult circumstances.

OWL,

You are one "John" of many that will fuck her today, this week, this month, this year.

150 rmb per pop times 4 "Johns" a day means she makes 600 rmb a day (not including tips), if she only works 4 days a week, then she is making 2400 rmb, if you take that for a whole month, she is bankrolling 9600 rmb (plus tips from naive fools). 9600 rmb a month on the part-time plan, is a great salary for any girl in Shenzhen, even those that work 40-60 hours a week in a real job.

The girls are under 24 yoa and are too damn lazy to get a real job, just like many kids in the USA, they want money fast and will do whatever it takes to get it, including something illegal. They sell their body, because it produces the fastest amount of cash in a short time and allows her to sleep during the day and party all night......plain and simple, easy life.

They are very materialistic, money means they can buy "stuff" and the more "stuff" a person has the more self value they see in themselves.

I have met many college educated girls that do not make this kind of cash, but have far more respect for them then your little xiaojie lovers. I am a Monger as well, I also pay for the pussy when I want a shot, but I don't try to fool myself into believing what you wrote.

You pulled some fine girls on your trip, no doubt about it, but ANYONE with 150-200 rmb in their pocket can get the same girl, because she don't give a damn about you, how great of a lover you are, how handsome you are, or how nice you are. Remember the movie with Tom Cruise? That saying goes here.....Show Me the Money!

Anyway, enjoy yourself.

-CPE

One Wing Low
10-21-07, 14:26
Who cares if these xiaojies like me or not???

The point is, comparing to girls who fuck for money in other countries, the xiaojies in SZ have been acting with responsibility, sincerity and grace. They never once tried to cheat me, rip me off, steal from me or give me a hard time. They would do exactly what they agreed to do, and more. That is far better than most countries that I have traveled through. Their good attitudes reflect very well on the quality of the people of China.

They are far classier than the Filipina whoore from U Bar, who pretended that she does not fuck for money, then insisted on payment before the fuck.

Why are you sounding like you are jealous here? Since you are getting all personal, let me guess:

Perhaps you are jealous that these little xiaojies are making a lot more money than you?

Or perhaps you are jealous because I managed have genuine passionate times with these fine girls which you never could get?

Or perhaps you are mad because they think you are so repulsive that they would not even fuck you for any amount of money?

Hope you enjoy your negative lifestyle.



OWL,

You are one "John" of many that will fuck her today, this week, this month, this year.

You pulled some fine girls on your trip, no doubt about it, but ANYONE with 150-200 rmb in their pocket can get the same girl, because she don't give a damn about you, how great of a lover you are, how handsome you are, or how nice you are. Remember the movie with Tom Cruise? That saying goes here.....Show Me the Money!

Anyway, enjoy yourself.

-CPE

Kranky99
10-21-07, 14:52
Hi One Wing Low,

I will be in SHenzhen on the 25th and maybe we can get together to roam the scene. I do roam Seibu areas on my own when I am in Shenzhen but do get uncomfortable doing it alone. If you are still in Shenzhen on the 25th that would be great. And if possible, can I have the contacts of the few nice ladies. Hehe. Save me time to roam and choose and sometimes when you see too many, you just can make the wrong choice.

Thanks a million.

Old Mean Dog
10-21-07, 15:38
Who cares if these xiaojies like me or not???

The point is, comparing to girls who fuck for money in other countries, the xiaojies in SZ have been acting with responsibility, sincerity and grace. They never once tried to cheat me, rip me off, steal from me or give me a hard time. They would do exactly what they agreed to do, and more. That is far better than most countries that I have traveled through. Their good attitudes reflect very well on the quality of the people of China.

They are far classier than the Filipina whoore from U Bar, who pretended that she does not fuck for money, then insisted on payment before the fuck.

Why are you sounding like you are jealous here? Since you are getting all personal, let me guess:

Perhaps you are jealous that these little xiaojies are making a lot more money than you?

Or perhaps you are jealous because I managed have genuine passionate times with these fine girls which you never could get?

Or perhaps you are mad because they think you are so repulsive that they would not even fuck you for any amount of money?

Hope you enjoy your negative lifestyle.

Nothing personal, just making general comments about your post(s). Forthwith;

1. We all know you pulled them from the Seibu Area (nothing new, this area has been reported numerous times in the past)

2. We all know what you SAID you paid, 150-200 rmb for ST 400-500 LT (this again is common information) **Word has it your a big tipper**

3. We all know the Panglin is a 5 Star Hotel and very near the action (also, been reported about)

So now I ask you: Besides putting up their photos and telling us what they will and won't do, why must you insist on writing Penthouse Letters and trying to promote yourself as some kind of Fabio with prostitutes?

You scored some excellent xiaojies, no doubt about it, you told us where they work, how much they cost and what they do. That is great and you did a good job reporting it to brothers, but to add all the self promotion and "fluff" is a little overboard.

-CPE

BTW: If you judge the quality of a people based on the prostitutes, you gotta lot to learn.

Tile Man4
10-22-07, 01:03
who cares if these xiaojies like me or not???

the point is, comparing to girls who fuck for money in other countries, the xiaojies in sz have been acting with responsibility, sincerity and grace. they never once tried to cheat me, rip me off, steal from me or give me a hard time. they would do exactly what they agreed to do, and more. that is far better than most countries that i have traveled through. their good attitudes reflect very well on the quality of the people of china.


owl , do you know what the majority of the world thinks of us men who use prostitution? not to highly as i am sure we all know and have read. we exloit women , we use women , they are the victims and we are all shit. so , i hope you would not judge all your country men by your actions as you judged all chinese people by a few kind and polite prostitutes.

imho , i beleive the prostitute and we mongers are equal , i don't fall for this exploit , use and abuse shit. simply , they want money and we want sex. i still think that only 5% of prostitutes users fuck up the market for us.

take care owl and imho we should not judge one good or bad grape and assume the rest of the vine is good or bad.

tile man

Weelock
10-22-07, 04:19
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They never once tried to cheat me, rip me off, steal from me or give me a hard time. They would do exactly what they agreed to do, and more. That is far better than most countries that I have traveled through.
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MM introduced me to Mei Mei. She's probably in early 30's, about 5', has a pretty face, smooth light skin, slightly overweight. MM said this girl has very smooth skin and is 100% doable. He must have fucked her a few times. She said from Hainan, working in Shangri-la bar but lost her job. She now sleeps with guys, not for money, she doesnt do that, but for going shopping tomorrow. WTF is the difference I would never know. She kept repeating this theme, saying 1200Y for all night, making sure I agreed to the money for shopping part... I was disappointed but thinking 1200Y is not too bad. She does have a pretty face, and she knows MM. So I agreed. She kept saying she's Chinese, but she wears a cross around her neck. Her pushy manners are more like those of Filipina bar girls that I know...
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For Mei Mei, if her she speaks Mandarin fairly well, then I suspect she is Chinese and NOT Filipino. She did say she is from Hainan and Chinese. "Master Monger" would maybe know and add some comments. Then your perception of Chinese girls should change. It seems like you have been cheated in lots of countries.

I once wrote to you about typical Shanghainese girl. These girls are like, money this, money that, very materalistic. Where's your maid? Don't you have a maid? Your Beijing lawyer friend even warned you about them. These girls will take more than your arm.

One Wing Low
10-22-07, 10:05
Mei Mei speaks broken English with a Filipina accent and only a few words in Chinese.

I was sick of all the bullshit she was trying to pull pass me. When she suggested that I should put my clothes back on, walk down Shennan Luo to find an ATM and get her money before I could fuck her, I got really pissed. She lost my friendship for good at that point.

She's one rude, stupid and ugly biitch, not worth the time and 50Y.


For Mei Mei, if her she speaks Mandarin fairly well, then I suspect she is Chinese and NOT Filipino. She did say she is from Hainan and Chinese. "Master Monger" would maybe know and add some comments. Then your perception of Chinese girls should change. It seems like you have been cheated in lots of countries.

I once wrote to you about typical Shanghainese girl. These girls are like, money this, money that. Where's you maid? Don't you have a maid? You Beijing lawyer friend even warning you about them.

Old Mean Dog
10-22-07, 11:45
Mei Mei speaks broken English with a Filipina accent and only a few words in Chinese.

I was sick of all the bullshit she was trying to pull pass me. When she suggested that I should put my clothes back on, walk down Shennan Luo to find an ATM and get her money before I could fuck her, I got really pissed. She lost my friendship for good at that point.

She's one rude, stupid and ugly biitch, not worth the time and 50Y.

The U Bar is frequented by Muslim and Indian gentlemen who live or travel through Shenzhen. The Filipinas work for the bar from what I've heard and are given the title "Hostesses".

I have had several friends who have gone there and some have had both good and bad experiences with these so called hostesses. I guess if you are into Filipinas and/or want to be with a prostitue that speaks fair/decent English, it's an option.

-CPE

BTW: Shenzhen Police were cracking down on Filipina domestic workers not long ago. They said that these girls were coming here on a Tourist Visa and working full-time, maybe some of them have resorted to working as "paid under the table" hostesses to supplement their income now.

One Wing Low
10-22-07, 14:29
A few of the guys in this China threads have the habits of putting down others' reports. If they cannot achieve something others can, then it must be exaggerations or fantasies...This attitude is wrong. It does not help the newbies who may be considering visiting China, or the local bros who want to improve their personal relationships.

First of all, I did find a few people in this thread who seemed to make up info. When pressed for contact details, they responded with lots of excuses and could never provide the info requested. So I urge the bros, especially the newbies, to use their own judgments when reading these reports. Some bros are more factual and reliable than others. All bros should be encouraged to post all factual info and just ignore petty and groundless accusations and attacks. Let the readers form their own opinions about the contents and people who post.

I reported most of my sexual experiences on the road, both goods and bads. My main motivations are to help the other bros make the best of the time and money on the road, and to avoid potential problems, when they visit certain locations. My reports are therefore purposedly written with lots of factual details to provide the maximum assistance. Whoever claims I exaggerated or lied in my reports should provide evidences to prove it. Otherwise they have no credibility and only demonstrate their narrow-mindedness and pettiness. It's sad that a few guys seem deadly serious in ISG, like it is their whole world, and their lives and their self-esteem depend on it.

Some bros feel that we can only buy quick mechanical sex acts from the xiaojies. I posted enough detailed factual info in my reports that proved, an average guy who cannot speak Chinese, with average people skills, can manage to have closeness and considerable romantic feelings in the majority of sex sessions with the young Xiaojies in China. I credit the very gentle and peaceful nature of Chinese girls for this.

I conduct business with people in China everyday, so my sexual and non-sexual experiences with Chinese are a lot broader than just with the xiaojies alone. In my considered opinions, the xiaojies' expressions of pleasures while having sex with me were genuine. Most of them are so young, they have not learned the fine arts of faking and manipulations. They had no reason to fake as they never tried to get more money than the agreed amount from me or to hook strings into my relationships. None of the Seibu girls ever asked for tips on top of the amount agreed with the mamasans. They just really enjoy the sex in their jobs, and are not shy to show it.

When I engage girls, pay or nopay, anywhere in the world, I want more than just the physical acts. I also want to feel close, positive, intimate and passionate with my sex partners before, during and hopefully after the sex sessions.

In China, I am happy to report that I achieved that goal about 90% of the time with the xiaojies, which is very impressive. All it took in my case was my sincerity, in words and body gestures, that I want to have some fun with them, I am level with them, and I would never take unfair advantages of them...Despite popular belief, I am not even a big tipper. I dont wanna start inflationary trends anywhere. I would offer the girls small gifts to make them feel I am more like a friend, not just a cold buyer of services.

I am always kidding around with people everywhere I go. It seems to put people at ease and easier to deal with in both personal and business relationships. If you look or act serious, people can sense it quickly and they will pull their guards up. Would just cost extra time, effort, money and good wills to overcome those guards.

As I had good successes with the beautiful girls in Seibu, I think other bros can achieve the same with little efforts. Try to experiment with your people skills to achieve the relationships you want. Try to report your interactions in details to help other bros adjust, not just 'Wham, Bang, Thank You Ma'am....'

Kranky99
10-22-07, 15:07
Came back to Seibu alleys after a late lunch. The police van and motorcycles were gone. All pussy depots were back in business as usual. Found Lala taking a John into her apartment. She was avoiding my eyes.

Found the pretty girl I wanted last night. She agreed on 200Y take out, then pouted not wanting to go. Her mamasan pleaded to no avail. Took the 50Y deposit back from mamasan and pushed on.

Found Xiao Mi sitting, smiling in a store. She's leggy and taller than most, about 5'5, look even taller in high heels. Negotiated a 150Y take out. Xiao Mi was happy to go. Her mamasan is a younger and thinner woman, sometimes carrying her baby, with a shop in the middle of the block. she' a lot more reasonable than th eother mamasans. Gave her the 50Y deposit with the hotel card and asked Xiao Mi to follow in 5 minutes.

Xiao Mi is very nice, fun, pretty, classy and personable, a sophisticated girl, someone I would love to take out all day to tour local scenes and have sex with all night. Have her tel if any bro wanna have take outs without braving the alleys.Hi ONe Wing Low,

I would very much like to get to know this girl that you mentioned. I will be in Shenzhen on the 25th and hope to have some action; I have been to Seibu but it is always hit or miss. And on one occassion had a bad experience with a girl who was 'yapping' away while I was doing her. Man, I did not even bother to finish as I had enough of her telling me to finish quickly. Well, as you mentioned that you had very good experience, I would hope that you can share with me and not risk having more bad experiences. Time is precious. Hehehe. By the way, I do treat these girls with respect and only when I get to those fussy or arrogant ones, I really lose the mood to do anything more.

Neuromancer
10-22-07, 15:17
A few of the guys in this China threads have the habits of putting down others' reports. If they cannot achieve something others can, then it must be exaggerations or fantasies...This attitude is wrong. It does not help the newbies who may be considering visiting China, or the local bros who want to improve their personal relationships.

First of all, I did find a few people in this thread who seemed to make up info. When pressed for contact details, they responded with lots of excuses and could never provide the info requested. So I urge the bros, especially the newbies, to use their own judgments when reading these reports. Some bros are more factual and reliable than others. All bros should be encouraged to post all factual info and just ignore petty and groundless accusations and attacks. Let the readers form their own opinions about the contents and people who post.

I reported most of my sexual experiences on the road, both goods and bads. My main motivations are to help the other bros make the best of the time and money on the road, and to avoid potential problems, when they visit certain locations. My reports are therefore purposedly written with lots of factual details to provide the maximum assistance. Whoever claims I exaggerated or lied in my reports should provide evidences to prove it. Otherwise they have no credibility and only demonstrate their narrow-mindedness and pettiness. It's sad that some people seem very serious in ISG, like it is their whole world.

Some bros feel that we can only buy quick mechanical sex acts from the xiaojies. I posted enough detailed factual info in my reports that proved, an average guy who cannot speak Chinese, with average people skills, can manage to have closeness and considerable romantic feelings in the majority of sex sessions with the young Xiaojies in China. I credit the very gentle and peaceful nature of Chinese girls for this.

I conduct business with people in China everyday, so my sexual and non-sexual experiences with Chinese are a lot broader than just with the xiaojies alone. In my considered opinions, the xiaojies' expressions of pleasures while having sex with me were genuine. Most of them are so young, they have not learned the fine arts of faking and manipulations. They had no reason to fake as they never tried to get more money than the agreed amount from me or to hook strings into my relationships. They just really enjoy the sex in their jobs, and are not shy to show it.

When I engage girls, pay or nopay, anywhere in the world, I want more than just the physical acts. I also want to feel close, positive, intimate and passionate with my sex partners before, during and hopefully after the sex sessions.

In China, I am happy to report that I achieved that goal about 90% of the time with the xiaojies, which is very impressive. All it took in my case was my sincerity, in words and body gestures, that I want to have some fun with them, I am level with them, and I would never take unfair advantages of them... I am always kidding around with people everywhere I go. It seems to put people at ease.

As I had good successes with the beautiful girls in Seibu, I think other bros can achieve the same with little efforts. Try to experiment with your people skills to achieve the relationships you want. Try to report your interations in details to help other bros adjust, not just 'Wham, Bang, Thank You Ma'am....'Well, I sort of agree/disagree with both OWL and CPex/SZ board consensus.

Finding a GFE is not about money and it's about the attitude that you take into the encounter, however short of long it is. Hookers are people too and given the large database of experience that they're working with, I believe that they do have a better sense of subtleties that the average civilian doesn't.

On the other hand, while the girl may be sincere in providing GFE, there is also an ulterior motive which isn't necessarily money. Most of the time it probably is money. Sometimes she just wants somebody to provide a decent exit from the biz. I believe that the second wife business model is quite popular in CP, from both the supply and demand side of the equation. Girl needs a reasonable amount of money to survive and the guy can provide that while costing much less than a second wife/regular mongering trips in Shenzhen, HK or other places. So while yes, it does come down to money in the end, it's sort of a win-win for both sides.

Taken to the extreme though, you're being sort of d*ck if you get into this sort of thing without understanding the ramifications. I'm not saying that I'm completely innocent, in fact my view on this subject is because I HAVE been a d*ck in this way.

Now to the wham-bam-I give you money, you provide me service train of thought. Sometimes you just wanna release. If you were living in a location with plenty of mongering activities, you appreciate this as well (I'm assuming that OWL does NOT hobby on a regular basis). Mongerers' who approach girls in this way will get exactly that and no GFE, which is also probably fine for both sides. It's an efficient transaction for both parties.

In then end, whether you're looking for GFE or quick-bang, there's really no "right" way of doing things. I personally rotate between both methods regularly, depending on my current mood. Obviously OWL prefers the GFE and the rest of the SZ board prefers the quick-bang. Nothing wrong with either but I think both sides are guilty of discounting the other side's preferences.

Finally, I would have to respectfully disagree with CPex's comment that these girls are lazy. These girls wanna make the most amount of money possible and no factory job (in China at least, unless you're banging the boss) is going to provide more than compensation than working as a hooker. I personally don't see this as laziness. The factory worker has a fixed salary with very little upside. This reflects in the factory worker's performance. While I haven't dealt with factory workers in Southern China personally, I have in other parts of China. I personally find those people lazier than the working girls. You can sit on your *ss all day doing nothing and you won't lose your job, because there is a labor shortage. If you lose your job all you need to do is find some troublemakers (still plenty of unemployed dudes out there, ie. The laziest of the lazy) and create a ruckus at the factory. Even just the threat of this doesn't make it worth the factory managers effort to fire you.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

One Wing Low
10-22-07, 15:19
Hi Kranky,

Would love to have a wingman to roam Seibu. However, I already left China, going back to work. Had a very nice time in Seibu. Will come back again in a few months and hope to hook up.

I am glad you had good times in Seibu before. I found the mamasans here easy to deal with, just have to haggle on the prices a little bit, and give them a little extra to send the girls to your room. It does cost them the walking time when they could stick around the BBS and potentially turn some tricks.

The Seibu girls have been exceptionally pretty, sexy, nice and classy. I had taken a few KTV girls in Chongping last trip, they turned out to be crude farm girls who just could not provide the kinds of pleasurable companions I wanted. The Seibu girls are civilized and just my type.

I try to PM you a few tel numbers, but you cannot receive them. As you know we are not allow to post tel # here due to potential abuses. Membership is cheap and let you have PM with the bros on the road. Really useful.

Unfortunately the Seibu girls seem to be discriminative. One of the bros was a nice, good-looking Caucasian who really like Chinese girls. He approached a few Seibu girls but they all want 700, 800Y and insisted that they only do it on premises. Seemed like they did not wanna do it with him, and were trying to frustrate him with high prices and difficult terms. I dont understand this problem. Any local bro with Chinese skill should ask the mamasans and the girls what the problems are.

So the girls may not do take outs unless they see the johns first. But for the benefits of others, let us know how it works out and if you have any ways to work around these problems...

Have fun and give us factual details on your interations with local people.



Hi One Wing Low,

I will be in SHenzhen on the 25th and maybe we can get together to roam the scene. I do roam Seibu areas on my own when I am in Shenzhen but do get uncomfortable doing it alone. If you are still in Shenzhen on the 25th that would be great. And if possible, can I have the contacts of the few nice ladies. Hehe. Save me time to roam and choose and sometimes when you see too many, you just can make the wrong choice.

Thanks a million.

Wizzy2007
10-22-07, 15:49
Hey dear Wing Low!

SOrry to hear that you are already out of SZ and back home!

I hoped to profit from your on spot guidance when I lan dthere next month.

BTW would you please clarify your statement that Seibu girls being discriminative? DOes that mean if some one is say black, he stands no

Chance of gettting laid down in SZ? . Of course I have some black pals who would love coming to SZ for end of year festies and stay at Panglin.

Thanks an dgreat to read your adventures.

WIzzy2007!


Hi Kranky,

Would love to have a wingman to roam Seibu. However, I already left China, going back to work. Had a very nice time in Seibu. Will come back again in a few months and hope to hook up.

I am glad you had good times in Seibu before. I found the mamasans here easy to deal with, just have to haggle on the prices a little bit, and give them a little extra to send the girls to your room. It does cost them the walking time when they could stick around the BBS and potentially turn some tricks.

The Seibu girls have been exceptionally pretty, sexy, nice and classy. I had taken a few KTV girls in Chongping last trip, they turned out to be crude farm girls who just could not provide the kinds of pleasurable companions I wanted. The Seibu girls are civilized and just my type.

I will PM you a few tel numbers. Let us know if they would agree to take outs on the phone and the prices they want. Unfortunately the Seibu girls seem to be discriminative. One of the bros was a nice, good-looking Caucasian who really like Chinese girls, but they want 700, 800Y and insisted that they only do it on premises. Seemed like they did not wanna do it with him, and were trying to frustrate him with high prices and difficult terms.

So the girls may not do take outs unless they see the johns first. But for the benefits of others, let us know how it works out and if you have any ways to work around these problems...

Have fun and give us factual details on your interations with local people.

Fast Eddie 48
10-22-07, 15:58
Hi Kranky,

Would love to have a wingman to roam Seibu. However, I already left China, going back to work. Had a very nice time in Seibu. Will come back again in a few months and hope to hook up.

I am glad you had good times in Seibu before. I found the mamasans here easy to deal with, just have to haggle on the prices a little bit, and give them a little extra to send the girls to your room. It does cost them the walking time when they could stick around the BBS and potentially turn some tricks.

The Seibu girls have been exceptionally pretty, sexy, nice and classy. I had taken a few KTV girls in Chongping last trip, they turned out to be crude farm girls who just could not provide the kinds of pleasurable companions I wanted. The Seibu girls are civilized and just my type.

I will PM you a few tel numbers. Let us know if they would agree to take outs on the phone and the prices they want. Unfortunately the Seibu girls seem to be discriminative. One of the bros was a nice, good-looking Caucasian who really like Chinese girls, but they want 700, 800Y and insisted that they only do it on premises. Seemed like they did not wanna do it with him, and were trying to frustrate him with high prices and difficult terms.

So the girls may not do take outs unless they see the johns first. But for the benefits of others, let us know how it works out and if you have any ways to work around these problems...

Have fun and give us factual details on your interations with local people.To OWL,

It was great meeting you and other isg member in Shenzhen I also have a great trip maybe not as good as your didn't have too much time for mongering too many trade show going on , you are learning fast and try not to over paid any more so other don't get on you , so it that mean you will not go to TJ Mexico any more now that you are spoil by the seibu girls.

Fast eddie 48

One Wing Low
10-22-07, 17:02
The point is prostitutes in other countries, especially the US, blame their own personal failures and bad choices on their families, society and the johns who patronize them. They are bitter biitches who act like the johns owe them favors and money.

I have no illusions that the Xiaojies are probably controlled and abused daily by Chinese organized crime families. They are probably down at bottom in their social hierarchy and probably receive the least help and sympathy if they are in trouble.

For those, who are in the weakest positions, to continue to treat others fairly, they deserve admiration.


Nothing personal, just making general comments about your post(s). Forthwith;
-CPE
BTW: If you judge the quality of a people based on the prostitutes, you gotta lot to learn.

Old Mean Dog
10-22-07, 17:35
I have no illusions that the Xiaojies are probably controlled and abused daily by Chinese organized crime families. They are probably down at bottom in their social hierarchy and probably receive the least help and sympathy if they are in trouble.

For those, who are in the weakest positions, to continue to treat others fairly, they deserve admiration.

Gonna have to disagree with you once again. The majority of the places most of us mongers frequent, these girls are there because they want to be and can come and go as they please. The criminal element, like in CP, requires any girl wanting to sell her pussy to be under a boss but these are not some "abused, enslaved or tortured damsels in distress" as your comments make them sound.

Anyway, have a safe trip home.

-CPE

BTW: The Catacombs might be the exception in CP.

One Wing Low
10-22-07, 19:43
The pics of Xiao Mi really turned on a lot of bros. She is a tall, leggy girl who dresses casually but elegantly. I am glad I took those pics. Without the pics, the world would never know how beautiful Chinese girls are...

She was also nice and fun as hell. She let me take her portraits, smiling her cute smiles. Afterwards, I wanted to take more pics of her in full length to show off her lanky body and her long legs, she did not agree. I tried to snap away anyway as she was putting her clothes back on...She was having fun playing with me, moving around, hiding her face, turning her back to the camera... and she was smiling sweetly through all this time...just a very nice and fun girl.

You are not a subscriber so I cannot give you her tel via PM. If I post her tel # here I will be violating forum rules, and Jackson would delete it anyway.

All I can tell you is her name is Xiao Mi. She has a small tatoo of a butterfly in blue and red on her left hand, between her thumb and fore finger. She works in one of the BBS in the center of the block. Draw that butterfly on yoru left hand and show it the mamasans. They will know who you mean and can take you to her.

Treat her like a decent human and you will likely have a good time with her.


Hi ONe Wing Low,

I would very much like to get to know this girl that you mentioned. I will be in Shenzhen on the 25th and hope to have some action; I have been to Seibu but it is always hit or miss. And on one occassion had a bad experience with a girl who was 'yapping' away while I was doing her. Man, I did not even bother to finish as I had enough of her telling me to finish quickly. Well, as you mentioned that you had very good experience, I would hope that you can share with me and not risk having more bad experiences. Time is precious. Hehehe. By the way, I do treat these girls with respect and only when I get to those fussy or arrogant ones, I really lose the mood to do anything more.

One Wing Low
10-22-07, 19:57
Would be very interested to find out from CSUN what the girls are like in the Phil. The Filipina I met at U Bar in Luohu showed complete disregards for my needs and therefore I kicked her out without paying.

I also had a lot of work to do while in SZ. The hard drinking, dining and entertainment after work by business associates nearly killed me. It was the Xiaojie sweethearts in Seibu who nursed me back to life....hehehe.

I gotta admit it will be very hard to enjoy Tijuana after the Seibu Xiaojies.


To OWL,
It was great meeting you and other isg member in Shenzhen I also have a great trip maybe not as good as your didn't have too much time for mongering too many trade show going on , you are learning fast and try not to over paid any more so other don't get on you , so it that mean you will not go to TJ Mexico any more now that you are spoil by the seibu girls.
Fast eddie 48

One Wing Low
10-22-07, 20:10
The mamasans and their girls were always out in the alley manhandling the HK guys, dragging them into their coves.

However, one of the bros, who is a nice guy, good-looking Caucasian, who has lived in China and various cities in Asia for many years, was having a hard time with the girls in Seibu. They were obviously keeping their distances from this poor guy when we went in together. While I got quoted 150-200Y for ST take outs to my hotel, they were reluctant to deal with him, and wanted 700-800Y for ST only on premises.

The poor guy ended up went home with nothing. That's the fact, so get ready to do extra work to charm the little xiaojies into giving you what you want.

Perhaps the bro, who had a hard time with the Seibu xiaojies, would give us more details so the other bros could figure out ways to work around this problem.



Hey dear Wing Low!

SOrry to hear that you are already out of SZ and back home!

I hoped to profit from your on spot guidance when I lan dthere next month.

BTW would you please clarify your statement that Seibu girls being discriminative? DOes that mean if some one is say black, he stands no

Chance of gettting laid down in SZ? . Of course I have some black pals who would love coming to SZ for end of year festies and stay at Panglin.

Thanks an dgreat to read your adventures.

WIzzy2007!

Wadman
10-22-07, 20:39
Unfortunately the Seibu girls seem to be discriminative. One of the bros was a nice, good-looking Caucasian who really like Chinese girls. He approached a few Seibu girls but they all want 700, 800Y and insisted that they only do it on premises. Seemed like they did not wanna do it with him, and were trying to frustrate him with high prices and difficult terms. I dont understand this problem. Any local bro with Chinese skill should ask the mamasans and the girls what the problems are.


When Gauthier Malde and me went to Seibu a week ago (2 weeks?) the mommies initially tried to make him pay more too (200 rmb ST), on account of him being a laowai. As GM was flirting with one of the girls, and more or less settling on her, it was actually the mommy who initiated the price discussion.

She said: "you know, he is a laowai, so therefore he should pay more". Somewhat amazed at this logic I asked her why, what does being a laowai have to do with it? She said that laowais should pay more because they have more (money). After I told her no a couple of times, she asked me whether I am Chinese (as in, why am I helping him)? So I joked, and said: If I am not Chinese, does that mean I have to pay more too? That cracked her up, and she agreed to the standard 150 ST.

But no joking or language skills is actually required in negotiating, you just have to stand your ground. However, if you are a laowai and really tall (= big dick) you may have a problem getting the standard rate.

And yes, Chinese people tend to discriminate against blacks. Sorry, not my personal opinion, just telling it as it is.

One Wing Low
10-23-07, 00:19
This Caucasian bro was a nice, soft, good-looking guy. He asked 2 xiaojies in 2 different shops. Both wanted 700 and 800Y for ST, and they refused takeout. He got frustrated and went home empty-handed.

Menawhile another Caucasian bro, who lives in SZ and is not as physically attractive, was able to attract a lot of young and not-so-young freebies. He has video tapes of some elegant women making very sensuous moves having sex with him.

The main difference is the latter bro is very thick skin. He keeps trying to make the moves on just about any girl/woman he comes across. With 10 million females in SZ, even with a very high failure rate, he would still have a lot of women available to him sexually.

The first bro should have tried again and again with other Xiaojies. They are there to do business. We should not feel offended if rejected. He would have likely found a few who would go with him at certain prices. Instead he gave up after asking 2. He texted me that he was going home and would try U Bar. He will be dealing with cold and expensive Filipinas there.

I suggested to the second bro to hang out with the first to learn his pick up techniques. Within weeks he may be able to overcome is handicaps and start to enjoy the company of many beautiful girls in SZ.



But no joking or language skills is actually required in negotiating, you just have to stand your ground. However, if you are a laowai and really tall (= big dick) you may have a problem getting the standard rate.

And yes, Chinese people tend to discriminate against blacks. Sorry, not my personal opinion, just telling it as it is.

One Wing Low
10-23-07, 01:08
they are mostly nice, cooperative, respectful...generally good attitudes as i observed. none even rushed me to get it done quickly or tried to get extra money out of me.

in contrast, many hookers in the us are convinced that they are better than the johns, who must be losers to have to buy sex. they play all kinds of ugly games to get more money or less time out of the johns, or cheat/steal from them ...

my logic is, if these little xiaojies can act honorably, as i have personally verified, then their society overall would probably be even better.

i do business with people in china daily. i actually know a few families in powerful places in beijing. they are simple, down-to-earth people who have never owned expensive material things or got used to expensive tastes. the china that i know is a lot less corrupt compared to other asian countries.

i am impressed that china managed to take fairly good care of her children, giving them good health, good education, good attitudes and good characters.

i know that costs of living in china is very high for their low earnings. it's sad to learn that some professional chinese women, like your female banker friend, would seek to be paid for sex. it seems chinese girls and women are heavily pressured with long, hard work in very a competitive labor market just to have basic living. they would throw themselves on foreigners whose aparently high relative earnings could provide stability in their lives.

as i do business in china, i ran across many young, beautiful, educated and accomplished women from good families, who proposed to live with me if i could provide steady jobs for them, or just keep them on as companions. it makes me not happy but sad for these beautiful young girls, who have to overlook their own pride and dignity in favor of economic stability.

china has made much more social and economic progresses compared to her asian neighbors. their society seems stable and orderly. despite the high costs of living and difficult living conditions, the average people manage to smile a lot more often than average americans. that by itself is a measure of success for their society.


owl , do you know what the majority of the world thinks of us men who use prostitution? not to highly as i am sure we all know and have read. we exloit women , we use women , they are the victims and we are all shit. so , i hope you would not judge all your country men by your actions as you judged all chinese people by a few kind and polite prostitutes.

imho , i beleive the prostitute and we mongers are equal , i don't fall for this exploit , use and abuse shit. simply , they want money and we want sex. i still think that only 5% of prostitutes users fuck up the market for us.

take care owl and imho we should not judge one good or bad grape and assume the rest of the vine is good or bad.

tile man

Crazier
10-23-07, 04:03
This girl Xiao Mi is just too pretty, happy and classy, a rare combination. I would not mind taking her to high-class parties, where all upper-society guys would probably beg to lick her ass in return for her sexuality....






Xiao Mi is very nice, fun, pretty, classy and personable, a sophisticated girl, someone I would love to take out all day to tour local scenes and have sex with all night.......



OWL,

I have been reading your interesting and detailed reports. I truly and honestly appreciate your efforts to share.

It's not my intention to run down or criticize your fantasies and perception of your escapades because it's your time and your own world out there. If that is the way you see it, that is the value you derive from it.

Again, your choice of words in your writings is perhaps different from mine & your perception of "high society guys" & "high class parties" may be from a different world that some of us live in, not that we aspire to be part of "Hi-So" or wannabe @ high class parties.

In fact, you need to kill me to drag my body to one of these or to hang out with em! I would be too uncomfortable and its not me to "pretend" to be what I am not!

Let me share my perception.
It amused me to read that you wanna drag your Xiao Mi to a hi-so event and watch the "guys beg to lick her ass". hehehehehe ;

Lets say that it was the most funny thing I read on this site for a long time!

You know what my take on this is?

Yes guys being guys may wanna to take her to the toilet immediately & shag the hell out of her just for letting out some swimmers.

Begging to lick her ass? That's another story.

If she appeared in that garb as in the pics you posted at a hi-so event, the thoughts in most minds would be, "where the hell did he drag that w***e from?"
And, "w***es" are never perceived as "sophisitcated", definitely not by hi-so people anywhere in the world.

I do like your attitude and efforts to treat local people (the girls included) nice and well!

Have more fun wherever you may be but stay "real" ya!

C.

Crazier
10-23-07, 08:34
I do business with people in China daily. I actually know a few families in powerful places in Beijing. They are simple, down-to-earth people who have never owned expensive material things or got used to expensive tastes. The China that I know is a lot less corrupt compared to other Asian countries.

I am impressed that China managed to take fairly good care of her children, giving them good health, good education, good attitudes and good characters.

I know that costs of living in China is very high for their low earnings. It's sad to learn that some professional Chinese women, like your female banker friend, would seek to be paid for sex. It seems Chinese girls and women are heavily pressured with long, hard work in very a competitive labor market just to have basic living. They would throw themselves on foreigners whose aparently high relative earnings could provide stability in their lives.

As I do business in China, I ran across many young, beautiful, educated and accomplished women from good families, who proposed to live with me if I could provide steady jobs for them, or just keep them on as companions.

It makes me not happy but sad for these beautiful young girls, who have to overlook their own pride and dignity in favor of economic stability.

China has made much more social and economic progresses compared to her Asian neighbors. Their society seems stable and orderly. Despite the high costs of living and difficult living conditions, the average people manage to smile a lot more often than average Americans.

That by itself is a measure of success for their society.

OWL,

Your insights and comments are nice to read.

At the same time, from my perspective, they are "coloured" and misguided mostly by your good intentions to think good about the host country and it's people many of whom may have been good to you.

1) Beijing people (dangerous to generalize) are not necessarily the same as people all over China which we all know is a huge country of diverse people.

2) Even within Beijing, it would be dangerous to extrapolate your few families of people in powerful places to represent the people of Beijing overall.

What do I know?

That some powerful people in China have become very wealthy over the years and many have flaunted their wealth making China one of the largest comsumers of material products such as BRANDED GOODS etc - many just to show their position and wealth!

Yes, the recent crackdown of these "criminals" with severe punishment has made them more carful in showing off but, it's still very much Chinese mentality to show off.

Despite all, this, wealthy Chinese people just love to show off!

If China has managed to take good care of its citizens so well, why are there so many people flooding into Southern China selling their bodies for so little that mongers even as far as from your country come in to enjoy?

Your own paragraph quoted here of the girls from good families proposing to live with you is a testimony that China has not taken good care of it's people despite all you think.

While some of the girls in the sex service industry have been good and polite in servicing you as compared with their western counterpart, your small sample of these girls cannot be used to extrapolate to the entire Chinese population.

Just try asking for directions and information from people you meet in the street or at hotel counters or at ticketing counters at bus stations etc. Most of the time, you get an abrupt " I DON'T KNOW " together with a rude stare.
At the lesser star hotels, you get the same rude service overall too.

Overall, the Chinese people are rude and abrupt and slow to smile. Please, do not use your small samples to try to prove otherwise. OF course, there are exceptions to the rule.

Keep on posting, we know you are very likeable and you get a better overall response than some of us but, stay real in your perceptions.

C.

One Wing Low
10-23-07, 12:28
Hi Crazier,

Sometimes I would exaggerate a little just to make a point. I am glad you find that fun and not taking it literally.

I know a few families in China. Was introduced into their social circles by families of my employees, big bosses in China's government, who sent their children to US for post-graduate education. They like me in their social functions because I can exchange view points honestly without offending too many people ( guess that did not work in ISG!). These older Chinese probably trust me like their own children etc...so they dont get easily offended by my strong views.

I know a few business people in ShenZhen who became very wealthy. They employ some very beautiful, college-educated young girls paying them only 2000 to 2500Y a month. These people also have friends in high places in China's government. Money and power usually find ways to work together.

Last time there was a big party, the business people brought along a lot of these young, pretty employees. The older government guys were out trying to pick up these girls in the crudest ways. They would bring a bottle of wine to a girl (usually in a group of friends), pour 2 full glasses, prosposed to toast the girl, asking her to drink the whole glass. After a little while, the guy would pick out another girl and propose another toast etc... The young girls would go through the routine again and again with different old guys, but they did not seem impressed or taken by them. They kept doing it all night. I got totally shit faced after so many of these dumb toasts which they made me drink the full glasses.

The government guys struck out in that party with the young girls that night, but I heard they all have a few young, pretty girlfriends which they put up in apartments. They keep collecting the prettiest girls for their stable. That night, the old guys were so drunk and horny, they were eyeing the young girls with such forceful lust, that I entertained the possibility they may lose control, pinning the fresh young girls on the cold marble floor, savagedly licking their asses and pussies and start an orgy...

It did not happen. These educated girls, though poor, avoided the rich and powerful men with poor manners. They seemed to have good principles and class. The girls would hang around with one another like sheep. I talked to them all night. They were very interested in finding out the American view points for all sorts of situations. I dont think they would let the old men take them into the toilet for a fuck, probably common occurences in the US. I've been to professional conferences in the US where up to a quarter of the audience at anyone time keeps rotating out of the room to go up to their rooms for quick fucks, hehehe. The Chinese seem a lot more prudish and conservative.

BTW these young professional girls dress in about the same stylish and fashionable Chinese knock offs as the little xiaojies Xiao Mi and Xiao Fuung. They also have about the same little-girl giggling habits. I would never be able to distinguish them apart in parties.

We just have to be prepared to be shocked like Tileman when his banker demanded money after sex! I hope that it will never happen to me in China or any country...


OWL,

Let me share my perception.
It amused me to read that you wanna drag your Xiao Mi to a hi-so event and watch the "guys beg to lick her ass". hehehehehe ;

Lets say that it was the most funny thing I read on this site for a long time!

You know what my take on this is?

Yes guys being guys may wanna to take her to the toilet immediately & shag the hell out of her just for letting out some swimmers.

Begging to lick her ass? That's another story.

If she appeared in that garb as in the pics you posted at a hi-so event, the thoughts in most minds would be, "where the hell did he drag that w***e from?"
And, "w***es" are never perceived as "sophisitcated", definitely not by hi-so people anywhere in the world.

Have more fun wherever you may be but stay "real" ya!

C.

Wadman
10-23-07, 17:44
None even rushed me to get it done quickly or tried to get extra money out of me.


At least this much is true... I can confirm that I too have not been hurried by the Seibu girls, with some sessions lasting as long as 45 minutes. This is in sharp contrast with the ShaZui back alley girls (now sadly a thing of the past...) who used to say "kuai dian" (hurry up) all the time. Standard session with a ShaZui girl was 20 minutes.

Sometimes the Seibu girls do ask for a tip, but I just laugh off the request.

One Wing Low
10-24-07, 10:19
Perhaps the bros should just buy a sheep, chain it to their beds, then report how wet and how tight its is every time...


Well, I sort of agree/disagree with both OWL and CPex/SZ board consensus.

Now to the wham-bam-I give you money, you provide me service train of thought. Sometimes you just wanna release. If you were living in a location with plenty of mongering activities, you appreciate this as well (I'm assuming that OWL does NOT hobby on a regular basis). Mongerers' who approach girls in this way will get exactly that and no GFE, which is also probably fine for both sides. It's an efficient transaction for both parties.

TheGun
10-24-07, 14:38
Perhaps the bros should just buy a sheep, chain it to their beds, then report how wet and how tight its is every time. Now that is a good one.

Old Mean Dog
10-24-07, 14:45
Perhaps the bros should just buy a sheep, chain it to their beds, then report how wet and how tight its is every time...

And maybe some should buy a personal diary to write about their fantasies and exaggerations instead of broadcasting it to the whole world.

-CPE

Neuromancer
10-24-07, 15:01
Perhaps the bros should just buy a sheep, chain it to their beds, then report how wet and how tight its is every time...Isn't bestiality one the list of prohibited topics? It should be if it isn't.

LoveAsia
10-24-07, 15:44
OWL,

I am glad you are enjoying yourself in China but I must tell you that you are totally off the mark regarding powerful people, high society and your other impressions of China and Chinese culture.




I know a few families in China. Was introduced into their social circles by families of my employees, big bosses in China's government, who sent their children to US for post-graduate education. They like me in their social functions because I can exchange view points honestly without offending too many people ( guess that did not work in ISG!). These older Chinese probably trust me like their own children etc...so they dont get easily offended by my strong views....

1) Unless you are mainland Chinese and part of the hgiher up in government you actually have no idea who is a big boss and wo has true power.

2) They like you in their social functions so they can have face by having a foreigner come to a dinner they are having.

3) They are not commenting on things you say does not mean they agree or even know what you are talking about. Often times they will suffer those they think idiots in silence because Chinese culture does not typically have confrontational exchanges.

4) They 100% don't trust you like their children nor do they trust you as a new friend...period. You do not have a relationship with them from childhood nor do you have close blood ties.



I know a few business people in ShenZhen who became very wealthy. They employ some very beautiful, college-educated young girls paying them only 2000 to 2500Y a month. These people also have friends in high places in China's government. Money and power usually find ways to work together.

High places is typically incorrect. They may have friends in different departments of government that can be useful for their particualr business.


Last time there was a big party, the business people brought along a lot of these young, pretty employees. The older government guys were out trying to pick up these girls in the crudest ways. They would bring a bottle of wine to a girl (usually in a group of friends), pour 2 full glasses, prosposed to toast the girl, asking her to drink the whole glass. After a little while, the guy would pick out another girl and propose another toast etc... The young girls would go through the routine again and again with different old guys, but they did not seem impressed or taken by them. They kept doing it all night. I got totally shit faced after so many of these dumb toasts which they made me drink the full glasses. .

The men were not doing this to impress. This is 100% Chinese culture and te girls are supposed to toast the men if they are employees of the businessmen (even if they were gf's of the businessmen). The fact that the men offered to toast the girls is complimentary to the girls. Chinese girls will not react or show interest (in your point of view) but that too is Chinese culture and doesnt mean they do not have interest.


The government guys struck out in that party with the young girls that night, but I heard they all have a few young, pretty girlfriends which they put up in apartments. They keep collecting the prettiest girls for their stable. That night, the old guys were so drunk and horny, they were eyeing the young girls with such forceful lust, that I entertained the possibility they may lose control, pinning the fresh young girls on the cold marble floor, savagedly licking their asses and pussies and start an orgy... .

You have no idea if they struck out (or if they really intended to score a hit). You are not mainland Chinese and cannot really determine what was going on. Chinese culture is very complex and we foreigners most of the time get it wrong.



It did not happen. These educated girls, though poor, avoided the rich and powerful men with poor manners. They seemed to have good principles and class. The girls would hang around with one another like sheep. I talked to them all night. They were very interested in finding out the American view points for all sorts of situations. I dont think they would let the old men take them into the toilet for a fuck, probably common occurences in the US. I've been to professional conferences in the US where up to a quarter of the audience at anyone time keeps rotating out of the room to go up to their rooms for quick fucks, hehehe. The Chinese seem a lot more prudish and conservative. .

Chinese women are not typically impressed with men who talk alot. Their feeling is still waters run deep. Fast water is shallow.



BTW these young professional girls dress in about the same stylish and fashionable Chinese knock offs as the little xiaojies Xiao Mi and Xiao Fuung. They also have about the same little-girl giggling habits. I would never be able to distinguish them apart in parties. .

Again, to the non-mainland eye what you say may be true but to the local eye there is a big difference between how a professional girl dresses and a pro dresses.

I hope you are not insulted because that was not my intention. I have been here for most of the past 10 years and have received my MBA in Chinese culture the hard way and am still learning.

LA

Santa
10-25-07, 06:12
Perhaps the bros should just buy a sheep, chain it to their beds,

Damn! :eek:

How did you know? :mad:

One Wing Low
10-25-07, 09:03
Every time the bros would report:

' She was wet and tight...and she made lots of passionate noise...behehehe behehehe....'


Damn! :eek:

How did you know? :mad:

One Wing Low
10-25-07, 09:26
Wow, Love Asia

Thanks for your thoughtful response. I will take some time to understand it and respond to you.

My dealing with Chinese sometimes involves a lot of money to them. Yet they trusted me because of friendship. In America, friendship is pretty much dead. Everything is legalistic. You cannot say anything to your friends as it may later bite you in court...

But according to you, I have no eyes, no ears? Everything I observed in China was wrong? I am involved with Chinese far deeper than just casual acquaintances at parties.

Granted people in any country would try to hide their true feelings, but Americans are worst at it. Americans are the most inscrutable. I found my Chinese friends far more honest and sincere compared to Americans.

Pay or nopay, Chinese girls are much fresher, sweeter and expressive compared to American girls. American girls are just a lot colder and manipulative. They rarely express their love and joy in sex, lest they may be thought of as slluts...

I would much rather spend time with Chinese girls than Americans...but that's just my personal experience.


OWL,

I am glad you are enjoying yourself in China but I must tell you that you are totally off the mark regarding powerful people, high society and your other impressions of China and Chinese culture.




1) Unless you are mainland Chinese and part of the hgiher up in government you actually have no idea who is a big boss and wo has true power.

2) They like you in their social functions so they can have face by having a foreigner come to a dinner they are having.

3) They are not commenting on things you say does not mean they agree or even know what you are talking about. Often times they will suffer those they think idiots in silence because Chinese culture does not typically have confrontational exchanges.

4) They 100% don't trust you like their children nor do they trust you as a new friend...period. You do not have a relationship with them from childhood nor do you have close blood ties.



High places is typically incorrect. They may have friends in different departments of government that can be useful for their particualr business.



The men were not doing this to impress. This is 100% Chinese culture and te girls are supposed to toast the men if they are employees of the businessmen (even if they were gf's of the businessmen). The fact that the men offered to toast the girls is complimentary to the girls. Chinese girls will not react or show interest (in your point of view) but that too is Chinese culture and doesnt mean they do not have interest.



You have no idea if they struck out (or if they really intended to score a hit). You are not mainland Chinese and cannot really determine what was going on. Chinese culture is very complex and we foreigners most of the time get it wrong.



Chinese women are not typically impressed with men who talk alot. Their feeling is still waters run deep. Fast water is shallow.




Again, to the non-mainland eye what you say may be true but to the local eye there is a big difference between how a professional girl dresses and a pro dresses.

I hope you are not insulted because that was not my intention. I have been here for most of the past 10 years and have received my MBA in Chinese culture the hard way and am still learning.

LA

LoveAsia
10-25-07, 10:10
But according to you, I have no eyes, no ears? Everything I observed in China was wrong? I am involved with Chinese far deeper than just casual acquaintances at parties. .

OWL, I did not post to attack you. Your seeing and hearing is intact. It is your interpretation of what you see and here is faulty. This is not a deficiency in you. This is a cross cultural problem. The same works in the reverse direction. You may say something in English to a Chinese person and they interpret what you said based upon Chinese English. Same words, same actions, different meaning.

I have been here so long that I usually speak Chinese English to Chinese people so that there is no misunderstanding.


Pay or nopay, Chinese girls are much fresher, sweeter and expressive compared to American girls. American girls are just a lot colder and manipulative. They rarely express their love and joy in sex, lest they may be thought of as slluts....

Again it is cultural but I cannot comment regarding American girls. I have not been with a non-asian in 20 years.


I would much rather spend time with Chinese girls than Americans...but that's just my personal experience.

No disagreement here, buddy. I am the cheer leading section for that comment.

One Wing Low
10-25-07, 11:14
Hi Egg,

You have much experiences in Pattaya and AC, 2 places I would love to explore next. Perhaps we can meet and exchange some notes.

Regarding South China, where you would best spend your time depends on what you want most out of your time. If you only pick one location, I would suggest ShenZhen because there are a lot more young and pretty girls 24 hours a day, and more to enjoy in SZ than any other city in China.

If you want to visit more than 1 area, I would recommend you take a closed circle route around South China to save travel time,as I know we all primarily want as many young, pretty, loving girls for sex as we can do:

1. Arrive at HK Int Airport, to get orientation, take the airport van to ShenZhen and stay 2,3 nights near the BBS area next to Seibu Department store. Buy maps at newstand. This Seibu BBS area is now active with a lot of young, pretty girls, virtually 24 hours a day, costing 150 to 200Y take out. The hotels within walking distance to the BBS are Panglin and Guang Shen. There are many restaurants, KTV, massage and sauna 24 hours a day in this area. Go to the bars at Dong Men shopping area to pick freebies. There are a lot of them hanging around dancing floors...

2. Take the train/bus/private car to Chang Ping, spend 1 or 2 nights at the Miraton/Hui Hua/Huimei/Lucky hotel. Daytime go for massage at the Walter or Lucky hotel. Take out girls in the BBS area near Yalan hotel, behind the Huimei hotel, the night market, or from the pussy wagons which should be obvious in front of the hotels. Rates are 150 to 200Y ST, 500Y all night. If you take any girls all day, take her to Huimei KTV lounge for the show and party at night. Go drinking with many bros who settled down in CP.

3. From CP, take the train/bus/private care to Dongguan and spend 1 or 2 nights at the Pink Coral or Sheraton Hotel. Sample the KTV girls at the Sheraton Dongguan or Cinese. Rate should be 800ST or 1000Y all day. There are many large factories near Dongguan so the best-looking Chinese girls hang around KTV's there to service visitors. I had the sweetest date with an english-speaking girl enjoying the town for 2 days. There are also many mamasans on the main street between the Pink Coral and the Sheraton.

4. Next take a bus or private car to Zhuhai, spending 1 to 2 nights at the Hotel Guangdong Regency on Lien Hua Lu. Go to many sauna and massgage joints nearby. Hang out with the girls crusing Lien Hua Lu. Walk around the alleys off Lien Hua Lu checking out many BBS there. The take out rates should be 200Y ST and 500Y all night. You may wanna take a girl all day and ask her to take you shopping/dining in this area.

There are many hungry mamasans on Lien hua Lu, but the word on the streets is that they only take you to the ugliest girls.

Cruise Bar street, looking for freebies. Surprisingly freebies are very easy to get in China. Young professional Chinese girls all want foreign BF's. They can be picked up quickly in bars.

Cross the border into Macau. Have line ups and check out the talents at the famous saunas in Macau. Check out the freelancers who cruise the fancy shopping mall on the first floor of the Lisboa hotel, called the Lisboa's Shark Pit. Some are stunners who take you upstairs for 800Y ST.

5. From Macau, take the ferry back to HK Int Airport to fly out, or from Zhuhai take ferry back to SZ for a few more days.

That should expose you to the most attractive areas in South China. Of course you can adjust your schedule to skip or stay longer or shorter at each location, depending on your likes or dislikes.

Have fun and report your experiences in details to help your bros.


Hello Gentlemen

I am considering a trip to S. China soon and would appreciate some help. I can usually be found on the Pattaya and AC threads. But I think it is time I gave China a try. I'm considering between Zhuhai, Shenzhen and Changping of course. I've done quite a lot of reading already. Now I have some specific questions.

1. If you had to pick just one of these cities, which will it be and why? (I don't like to move around much once I get there)

2. I will most likely be traveling alone. Will this be a problem? Most reports I read are from guys who go in groups? Why is that? BTW, I am a native Mandarin speaker but I have live in the US for over 25 years and my Chinese is rusty.

3. The KTV's sound interesting but it sounds like you need to go in a group?

4. I'm considering visiting in Feb. I know this is early but I like to do my homework. How is the weather at that time of year?

Thanks in advance.

Egg

JuiceGuy
10-25-07, 17:34
Hi Egg,

You have much experiences in Pattaya and AC, 2 places I would love to explore next. Perhaps we can meet and exchange some notes.

Regarding South China, where you would best spend your time depends on what you want most out of your time. If you only pick one location, I would suggest ShenZhen because there are a lot more young and pretty girls 24 hours a day, and more to enjoy in SZ than any other city in China.

One Wing Low,

Thanks for the report. I will be in SZ in December and this will be really helpful. Thanks again.

One Wing Low
10-26-07, 06:00
Hi Juice,

Forgot to add, the cities are about 2 hours drive apart in private car, which should cost 300-500Y, including the 100Y toll. Hotels can arrange for drivers. Bus and train would take a lot more time.

Hotels should cost 300-500Y a night.

Have a good trip.



One Wing Low,

Thanks for the report. I will be in SZ in December and this will be really helpful. Thanks again.

Old Mean Dog
10-26-07, 08:05
Bus and train would take a lot more time.

No train to Zhuhai....yet, but one is scheduled to be completed from Guangzhou to Zhuhai in 2008.

-CPE

One Wing Low
10-27-07, 14:30
I had a lot more fun and felt like I was really in China, staying at the Guang Shen, than the Landmark hotel nearby, which is 5-star. Main reason is it's so close to the BBS, the girls know where it is. It's a lot easier to convince them to walk to the hotel. Even when it is very close, some of the most attractive girls would refuse to go. The 2023 Shennan Dong Luo address is very easy to find, very convenient when you have to give directions to someone.

Master Monger got me the 260Y rate. Normally they charge 320Y. They do have exec room at 280Y, which I should have tried, but I was in a hurry to get the Seibu girls... They keep your name in their computer so next time they charge same rate. There is ADSL internet hook up in the room, showing 500 Mbit PS bandwidth. There was no safe in the room, but I never lost anything. When I checked out, I left behind all small bills for the cleaning girls.

The girls at the reception desk know about all the girls I was dragging back to the room days and nights. They would avert theri eyes, looking down on their desk. A few of the reception girls are good-looking enough for a few hot sessions in bed. We did check out the Golden Luohu hotel, small lobby, small, very run-down rooms for 360Y, totally not worth it.

Additionally the Guang Shen is next to a bustling neighborhood where many restaurants and shops open all day, all night. They serve all kinds of seafood and exotic foods like snakes, turtles etc... Every few doors you will find massage/sauna with the girls in dresses waiting outside.

The other good reason is to go to the fancy apartment buildings nearby to oggle the tall, young, beautiful second wives hanging around lonely and bored, waiting to be fucked on weekends... I bet a few of those second wives would be available, pay or no pay, during the week. Can any local bros confirm that situation?

I will check out the Panglin and Lotus next time to see if they offer better advantages. That neighborhood has a lot of food vendors on the street, people eating their hot pots right there on the sidewalk, and of course the dozens street hookers who display their goods in front of Seibu. Very unique.

I would haggle with the mamasans a little bit to keep their expectations down and to rein in local inflation. It seems that the girls made up their minds for 150Y and 200Y take outs, no more, no less. I could never get them to go lower than their initial quotes. It's strange the girls never got pissed with my haggling. They seemed to expect it. All of them, except one, treated me very nice in bed. You should see these girls gazing at my dick, gently caressing it like their most precious family jewel.... Some acted like super horny GF's. Very nice.

I wanna thank Master Monger for setting me up for a great time in Seibu with some of the sexiest, sweetest and prettiest girls in China. MM really knows how to enjoy good company with girls. I learned a few things from him. Will probably be there again end of the year. Hope to see you guys there. Also wanna check out the scenes in Manila, AC and Ceibu at year end.


to CPE,

I think OWL is no longer a newbie he is now a expert no longer over paid , he now shop at Seibu bbs and stay at 3 star hotel I also hear him tell the mamasan 200 rmb for ST is too much he is learning fast and no longer are getting rip off at ktv and bar for 1200 rmb for over nighter .

Fast eddie 48

One Wing Low
10-27-07, 15:39
hi Daved,

This looks like a good deal. Are the rooms nice, new and clean? Does it have internet hook up and in-room safe?

What street is it on? Dong Men Luo?

Does the room come with 2 freebies?? hehehe. Kidding. Where did you get the freebies? Explain in juicy details.


Gents

My advice on budget room is the Lotus Hotel.

The Lotus is the same building as the 5 star SUNSHINE Hotel and is directly opposite SEIBU. A good 40m + room is about 230 RMB a night and a 80m room 500.

Comparing that to a Suite in the SUNSHINE at 1700 and a view right at SEIBU its the best value.

I now even have 2 freebies ( 7+, Chinese 18s) who will show up and take a Shower and relax and 'advise' me to hop on if I wish. And I do .

Question, How do I retrie here?

Santa
10-27-07, 17:30
. We did check out the Golden Luohu hotel, small lobby, small, very run-down rooms for 360Y, totally not worth it.

.

I stayed there and only paid 230rmb. The room and bathroom were both nice and I loved the location. But there was a problem with the shower, sometimes there was no cold water and the hot on alone was too hot. Also, no internet.

Maybe you didn't try to haggle the price down, maybe because you didn't like the room they showed you.

One Wing Low
10-27-07, 18:32
Thanks for your appreciation. As you can see, I posted both positive and negative info. I hope my information help you guys get what you want and avoid what's bad out of your visit.

My reports are also notes to myself so I know who and what I should look for in my next visits. So my reports are full of accurate details to remind myself of the girls I got. Some of these girls have manners so sexy I would wanna do them over and over again.

Freebies are the girls who would have sex with you for free, like GF. Surprisingly freebies are very easy to get in China. In South China, people are far more relaxed, anything goes, so it is very easy for foreigners to find freebies.

Even in uptight Beijing, I found girls very approachable. Just come over to the girls, introduce yourself with a few simple words, then try to text to their mobile phones. That way you have their tel numbers to continue the game.

Damn thing about freebies is that they can be expensive. If they wanna go to dinner, you are looking at 400Y for 2 people, then to a local club dancing, you are looking at 500Y for a bucket of beers, or a half bottle of whiskey.

Unless you are a super charmer, you probably have repeat it 3 nights before you can drag her into your bed. Then she would probably play the cold game 'I am innocent...dont know what sex is..' or 'I am not a sllut... I don't like sex...' and starfish on you.

I really like the straight attitudes of the Seibu Xiaojies. They really enjoy sex and they openly express their joys in the sexiest ways....


Hey OWL!

Many thanks for your accurate and useful reports.

I really appreciate your valuable contributions.

BTW what does "freebie" exactly means? DOes that mean a free gf or something like new bie? Please clarify.

Thanks again.

Wizzy

Old Mean Dog
10-27-07, 18:48
The other good reason is to go to the fancy apartment buildings nearby to oggle the tall, young, beautiful second wives hanging around lonely and bored, waiting to be fucked on weekends... I bet a few of those second wives would be available, pay or no pay, during the week. Can any local bros confirm that situation?

Before moving to CP, I lived at Ground Zero for 1 1/2 years, just two blocks from the Panglin Hotel and also over by Mixc Mall near the U Bar. It is fairly easy to score freebies with the modern, trendy girls that hang around Mixc/Citic Plaza all day as well as one-night stands with the "second wives" that spend their days shopping and sipping coffee. The International Mansion Apartments (near the Fu Rong Hotel) are full of second wives and ripe for the picking, even for a repulsive monger like me.

-CPE

One Wing Low
10-27-07, 19:11
Would have loved to party with you, but sadly I got out of China last week. I am still in shock of the cold, sexless, feelingless reality I came back to... Get hold of Master Monger. He knows lots of girls in SZ and he knows how to party.



Will wait for your PM OWL/MM other mongers. Leaving for shanghai tomorrow 14:00 back on 26th. Will skip the famous Shanghai hotel spa service for a bbs+KTV or sheku bar night here. We can meet up for a beer or something before hand, my treat.

600 for 1 suit, 1 jacket, 2 pants? Where did you get this good deal? I got quotes 600-800 for a wool suit, Shanghai tailor, 1 day delivery from the few shops above the train station in Luohu. I will ask my local friends if they know better deals, probably in the Dong Men shopping center.



On an upnote I placed my very first suit order in Lohu today. 600 for a linen suit, one jacket two pants. I had done some research indicating this was reasonable. They wanted 120 for the shirts. Which seemed high.

One Wing Low
10-27-07, 19:19
Fill us in on all juicy details where and how you find, hook and fuck the modern, trendy freebies, or the tall, beautiful second wives.


Before moving to CP, I lived at Ground Zero for 1 1/2 years, just two blocks from the Panglin Hotel and also over by Mixc Mall near the U Bar. It is fairly easy to score freebies with the modern, trendy girls that hang around Mixc/Citic Plaza all day as well as one-night stands with the "second wives" that spend their days shopping and sipping coffee. The International Mansion Apartments (near the Fu Rong Hotel) are full of second wives and ripe for the picking, even for a repulsive monger like me.

-CPE

One Wing Low
10-27-07, 20:14
What's the name of the BBS area behind the Golden Luohu Hotel? I think it's called Xiang Xi Cun?

Anyway, there is no girl working there in the day time. The actions only start at about midnight. Before that it is a ghost town. I did go through this area with Master Monger at midnight to find an all nighter, but did not find anyone I liked. So I went back to Seibu and took out a girl for all night.

In contrast, the BBS behind the Seibu Department Store operate 24 hours a day. I found many good-looking girls working even at 9AM. They would be eating breakfast as I walked by. The BBS here are in full operation after 6PM when most girls show up for work, all beautifully made up. I really prefer the 24 hours a day availability at the Seibu BBS. My dick has a brain on its own. I would never know what time it decides to go stiff...

The homeless girls start showing up in front of the Seibu Department Store after 10PM. They seem a lot rougher and not as responsible as those working for mamasans in BBS.

Without in-room free internet access, the Golden Luohu is useless to me.


I stayed there and only paid 230rmb. The room and bathroom were both nice and I loved the location. But there was a problem with the shower, sometimes there was no cold water and the hot on alone was too hot. Also, no internet.

Maybe you didn't try to haggle the price down, maybe because you didn't like the room they showed you.

Daved35
10-28-07, 00:40
Hi OWL

If you stand at the door of SEIBU and look straight across you see the SUNSHINE hotel, the left wing where the First Class nightclub is teh Lotus.

They are currently refurbishing floor by floor and the 8th and 9th are already very well done.

The price is very good for the location and even on the non refurbished floors at 230rmb for the SEIBU view rooms. As I said the rooms are larger then normal 40m+. Same room at the 3 star regal in TST ( same as Lotus) is almost 1,000 HKD and half the size.

Freebies, ( actually just had one go home now at 7am) are 2 past SW that I told can come anytime and use the place and chill while I work. This one came in at 2 am. Had 1 john all night and decided to take a jacquzzi and eat and watch TV and of course the obligatory pounding, 2 times and included a facial. I, being the gentleman gave her 120 for her hard work , real real GFE and she asked to come back tonight.

TC OWL and thanks for the number on Xiao Mei , who I did pump twice and got her from 9pm to 11am for 500 one night. The other Xiao could not get her and even my outside the do0r pimp could not find her.

D


hi Daved,

This looks like a good deal. Are the rooms nice, new and clean? Does it have internet hook up and in-room safe?

What street is it on? Dong Men Luo?

Does the room come with 2 freebies?? hehehe. Kidding. Where did you get the freebies? Explain in juicy details.

Old Mean Dog
10-28-07, 05:13
Fill us in on all juicy details where and how you find, hook and fuck the modern, trendy freebies, or the tall, beautiful second wives.

Sorry, I don't teach Mongering 101 nor do I post "juicy" details for leeches to read anymore. It can be done if you have time, patience and can speak a little of the language, otherwise those guys just passing through are best to stick with P4P.

OWL, since you are so keen to broadcast (and slag) one of the things I do here for a job, you should realize, I come in contact with a lot of lonely and/or curious women who want a "laowai" for a husband/boyfriend. This gives me the opportunity to play "show & tell" with them quite often.

-CPE

BTW: That area in English is known as the "Concubine Village"

Bounce Around
10-28-07, 05:32
600 for 1 suit, 1 jacket, 2 pants? Where did you get this good deal? I got quotes 600-800 for a wool suit, Shanghai tailor, 1 day delivery from the few shops above the train station in Luohu. I will ask my local friends if they know better deals, probably in the Dong Men shopping center.I Paid 600 for one linen suit: 3 pieces (1 jacket, 2 pants) on the 5th floor, i have the card of the place. Also 850 for a wool/cashmere blend really nice for 4 pieces (1 jacket, 2 pants, and a vest). The material for the wool one is really nice, very light, and very similar to a Zegna i bought in OC; went in for a fitting yesterday and it was looking good, will see how the final product holds up.

Sorry to have missed you. Will be leaving SZ on 31st and back again second week of november, will hit up MM then. Next time still i'd rather stay in Hua Qiang Bei at the hotel i mentioned earlier, very nice big rooms, with internet less than <350 per night, hotel safe and all that, no breakfast.

I guess i was getting good prices in Siebu if you were paying 200 ST to hotel that is five minutes away. from the fat mamasan (first shop in the second or third row) i was getting 320 to my hotel (for 2 girls on a friday night 10:30pm) which is the second to last metro stop. most others wanted 200, but a lot were very reluctant. I would have gone for it, but the whole process of explaining things to them got my mood turned off.

Stay safe, BA

One Wing Low
10-28-07, 18:05
is your business. I would never wanna get tangled up in your business.

I may have kidded around about your business, but it was never my intention to denigrade what you do in your business. Sorry if I offended you unintentionally.

If I wanna to date a young pretty non-pro girl in SZ, what does it cost to set it up?


OWL, since you are so keen to broadcast (and slag) one of the things I do here for a job, you should realize, I come in contact with a lot of lonely and/or curious women who want a "laowai" for a husband/boyfriend. This gives me the opportunity to play "show & tell" with them quite often.

-CPE

BTW: That area in English is known as the "Concubine Village"

One Wing Low
10-29-07, 19:17
hi bounce,

did you buy all your meals and your suits sight unseen, hotel delivery too???

you are either very lucky or very easy to get a 9.999 girl delivered sight unseen by pimp. more power to you bro. actually next time i would probably stay in the lotus hotel and use the same pimp to do leg work for me.

i enjoy going around the neighborhood, mixing with local people to have a feel for their life. you should see the pic i took of a very young xiaojie cuddling someone else's baby in the bbs. she was so overjoyed with her maternal instincts, she brought tears to my heart. i really feel for these people.

this trip to sz i have managed to get very close to local people, right down to the police raid in seibu where the girls all ran for their lives. it took a lot of courage, but i decided to walk back into the dark alleys to see what the chinese le was doing with their raids. if they cuffed me up, i would have tried to impress them with our girl, conda rice, and her blackwater contractors, hehehe...

lala was hanging out with her friends for over 2 hours waiting for the raid to be over. she asked me to buy her some fruits and proceeded to buy grape, the most expensive fruit in the store...

it was a very nice trip. gotta meet some very good local bros. hope to see you guys again.

life is so precious....


well, i did it again! called him up. told him what i want, and a gem shows up. by the name of showrie (i risk giving myself away but those stargate fans will know! ) if there is a 10, she was a 9. 9999 like those gold chips you can buy. she even spoke a bit of english. all was good, i love when they have the perfect size b***s and the big dark n***, and rare for chinese girls to have a nice pigu. so, she tells me she works in dongmen! i guess all these girls are off duty freelancers.

again this was late at night, close to midnight. she was really against the area. the hotel was okay, but she kept saying about some men in the area. wouldn't spend the night, its bad. damage was supposed to be 250, but i gave her 300. best money i ever spent in china. said, i should move to lou ho or hua qiang bei tomorrow and it would be okay, i told her i would do that next time, no matter how good the p**** i can't just move for one day! or can i? said her friend will do me tomorrow, she won't in this area. she's not upto a threesome: (

anyone know of the 'mafia' element in this neighborhood? cpe? mm?

i remember going to a resturaunt in nanshan the major street after nanshan xilu (intersecting off of shennan with the footbridge accross it) and i noticed a bbs in the area, very residential, this was a few months ago; i meant going back there but haven't. i'm not married to nanshan but it is a decent area for me to stay in, mostly for business.comments appreciated, thought for this girl, next time i will stay in hua qiang bei.

Bounce Around
10-30-07, 03:00
hi bounce,

did you buy all your meals and your suits sight unseen, hotel delivery too???
actually the suits were delievered to the hotel! :.) easier to check the final finish there.

hi owl, i don't think the comparison is apt; though the meaning is understood and appreciated. after he delivered the first time, i was satisfied with his performance. so, i went a few more times. now, yes, i am lucky that the quality of the girl he sent was great, but had he sent a 6, 7 or a 5; i'd still have done the deed. when i am doing p4p i have no illusions about what it is, and i make none for myself. i've liked reading your reports and would love to hang with you, but i haven't really read your other stuff so don't know about all your china experiences, or if you speak any chinese, you seem to communicate much more easier with them than i.

i don't deny the humanity of these girls nor do i disrespect them, but they do what they do and we do what we do, they have no illusions about this either, not with a foriegn guy staying at a 4-5 star hotel paying more for his meals than he is for them, at times. i'm probably nevery going to be the guy who has girls hang out at his hotel longer than they have to or come over to relax and offer freebies, i don't know how you guys do it, but unless i move here.

my previous experience with chinese mongering has been limited to saunas and hotel room service/ktv girls. my first time walking in siebu i frankly did not enjoy it by myself, nor was i overcome by any romanticism of the area or the people. i feel for a lot of different people, and see humanity in many different settings all over the world, but frankly i'm walking through littered back alleys looking for cheap shot. now i don't impart anything from myself to the morals or sensibilities of these girls, in fact i was warned very seriously by the very same 9. 999 girl that i shouldn't keep my mobile or watch in plain sight when i have girls come to my room, he words 'chinese people very bad'.

and, if you think condi rice or the american consulate is going to send out the dimplomatic corps over a guy busted in the alleys behind siebu! well. not in china. you could be eating and minding your business in a 5 star beijing establishment and if le wanted to take you down they would and the us would not be able to do much. in thailand, phillipines, tj, maybe, but not in china.

i hope we can meet up sometime in sz soon. i'll be back nov. 10th. this time i'll stay in hua qiang bei and may go try to pick on my own.

a more critical person would say that if you felt bonds with some of these or all of these people than you should be willing to do more than buy grapes or stick to haggling at 150rmb. now, i am a sucker and pay what i agree to and if a girl holds out her hand for some more like taxi money i will pay, because i generally believe no matter how long or how hard she has had it, very few women don't loose a part of their dignity when they do this.

Horny88
10-31-07, 00:29
Hi ONe Wing Low,

Can you give me Xiao Mi's tel no? I'd love to try her.

Horny88
10-31-07, 00:40
One Wing Low,

Can you give me her tel no?

Old Mean Dog
10-31-07, 07:14
OWL,


Hi ONe Wing Low,

Can you give me Xiao Mi's tel no? I'd love to try her.

His very first post, leech and because you didnít answer him fast enough;


One Wing Low,

Can you give me her tel no?

His informative second post.


Dear Bounce and Daved35

You mentionned in your previpus post you have great deliveries from a pimp with some a s high as 9. 9999.

Could you share its phone number with us?

Thanks in advance

And another random visitor with his first post ever!


Now you know why many of us have stopped posting such detailed reports on ISG, because all you do is entice all the swinging dicks over to spoil the market. Hell, these are not even comments, just leeches looking for handouts.

Take care and can I have Xiao Miís phone number?

-CPE

One Wing Low
10-31-07, 21:58
Well CP EXPAT,

We baited them so we can feed a few new customers to your dating service


OWL,
Now you know why many of us have stopped posting such detailed reports on ISG, because all you do is entice all the swinging dicks over to spoil the market. Hell, these are not even comments, just leeches looking for handouts.



As you know, we are professional match maker.

Please sign our contract and hand over 2000RMB retaining fee, we will send you Xiao Mi's profile...




Take care and can I have Xiao Miís phone number?

-CPE

One Wing Low
11-02-07, 04:18
Take off your clothes and hang out on the main street. The mamasans will come running...



Hi

but not new to China am in crown prince hotel dongguan want to find a mama to look after me to supply girls prefer chubby big tits real girls not fake KTV girls dolled up with make up like street type girls over beautiful girls they are more real I am here for 21 days and come here often but have never partaken in any places other than KTV if anyone is able to help I would very much appreciate it if anyone is also in or near dongguan I will happily pay for your girl in return for assistance or help with V I am caucasion do not speak Thanks

One Wing Low
11-04-07, 18:51
don't know about all your china experiences, or if you speak any chinese, you seem to communicate much more easier with them than i.

i only speak a few words in chinese. i managed to do ok with xiaojies all over china. the xiaojies never tried to cheat me or take advantages of me. most of them stick to the agreed deals, treat me with respect, and in most cases give me more and take less. that's markedly different from all other countries i have been to. i have to give the xiaojies in china good credit for their honesty and sense of fairplay.

with english-speaking girls, i managed to have long dates with a grad student and a few young and pretty professional girls i met in business have proposed long-term relationships. i am very impressed with the gentle and thoughtful nature of chinese girls, pro or non-pro.

having witnessed american women's combativeness and aggressiveness, i truly believe american women can annihilate any country on earth if they are set loose...


i don't deny the humanity of these girls nor do i disrespect them, but they do what they do and we do what we do, they have no illusions about this either, not with a foriegn guy staying at a 4-5 star hotel paying more for his

a more critical person would say that if you felt bonds with some of these or all of these people than you should be willing to do more than buy grapes or stick to haggling at 150rmb.

same as you, i dont judge what they are, only what they do with their deals and how they treat me. i think the girls are experienced dealing with many johns daily and can size them up quickly. i have sensed that they have no illussion themselves. they know they could convince me to buy them grapes, but long-term relationship is out of the question. all i can give them is my temporary friendship, and the comfort that i dont look down on them for having to do what they do. after all i have known a few american women in executive suites of corporate america who sleep with their bosses to keep their jobs and their perks, so who's worse than whom?

i ran across lala again in seibu alleys, whom i had bought grape for. she was taking a john into her apartment. strangely she studiously avoided my eyes like she was ashamed of what she was doing. she seemed to still have a sense of shame, different from the robo-hookers i've met in the us.


now, i am a sucker and pay what i agree to and if a girl holds out her hand for some more like taxi money i will pay, because i generally believe no matter how long or how hard she has had it, very few women don't loose a part of their dignity when they do this.

you said it eloquently. i usually treat them the same way with sincere expressions that i dont think of them as any worse than myself or other girls. as long as they stick to their deals and treat me fairly, they deserve their dignity and respect.

Old Mean Dog
11-05-07, 07:32
I dont know where to post this sauna thing, so I post it here.

I was doing great, having a great time in China. Came home last Sunday, could see massive wildfires all over Southern California, just like a war zone.

I had allergy to all that smoke and ash, was coughing a lot, like having the flu all week. Everything was down and negative. Did not feel like working. Did manage to go South to TJ on Friday and had a good fuck with Paola.

So I went in the sauna, turned it on high heat and splashed water on it to make steam. Had a couple drinks while steaming. Inhaled the steam, the coughing subsided. Felt a lot better, but best of all, felt giddy and very horny, like having to fuck that tropical girl with a hard body in the hot jungle.

I had a raging hardon. Waited for the GF to come home. Had a very good session with her. It looks to me the sauna heat and steam simulated my circulation and helped getting a hard on. Bros with erectile dysfunction may wanna buy a sauna heater, sold for about $300 in eBay. May help your sex life.

Bros who go to saunas often please confirm this effect.

Maybe it was the Viagra you popped prior to the gf coming home? Only time the sauna helps me with hard-on is when I know the girl coming to my room to massage me is either gonna bang, blow or give me a good da fei ji.

Possibly, since the heat stimulates circulation and blood/oxygen flow through the body.

I do like the saunas and Shenzhen has some really good ones. Come to think of it, now that OWL has peaked my interest and I am in Shenzen, after work I will test this theory.

-CPE

SE Asia Joe
11-05-07, 09:43
Igentle and thoughtful nature of Chinese girls, pro or non-pro.
You said it eloquently. I usually treat them the same way with sincere expressions that I dont think of them as any worse than myself or other girls. As long as they stick to their deals and treat me fairly, they deserve their dignity and respect.
I am really very upset over events that happened past week-end with my Gf - now EX Gf I guess. I know I'm just letting it all out here - but for anybody interested as to MY experience with a PRC lady who I loved (still do I guess) and previoulsy thought very highly of, go and take a look at my post in the China Women opinion and advise thread.
SE Asia Joe

One Wing Low
11-05-07, 14:58
and feel sorry for you about your loss....

Looks like you were in love with her for 4 years and she was just playing you. She gave you love for 4 years for a relatively modest amount of money every month. It was not a bad deal for you.

For what's it's worth, It happened to me a few times in the US. Girls are always playing their games, giving you love and sex, hoping to turn it into permanent commitment, marriage, children...Those seem to be their primary needs and priorities which they are under pressure to fill everyday. You have to assume that they are always out there playing the field. When they feel they cannot get that commitment from you, they will settle for someone else who is willing to fill those needs. That's only fair.

You managed to string her along for 4 years, which is not bad. Apparently you never loved her enough to warrant marriage. It costed her 4 years of her youth, but she broke it off fairly cheaply and gently. It could be a lot more expensive and messy. It's cruel to say, but in your case, love in China was cheap.

Considering making permanent commitment to her may bring on other problems and headaches, you did not lose too much in this case. You are free to find other arrangements. Hopefully you can fill your short-term and long-term needs and feel good about yourself.


I am really very upset over events that happened past week-end with my Gf - now EX Gf I guess. I know I'm just letting it all out here - but for anybody interested as to MY experience with a PRC lady who I loved (still do I guess) and previoulsy thought very highly of, go and take a look at my post in the China Women opinion and advise thread.
SE Asia Joe

Santa
11-05-07, 19:52
and feel sorry for you about your loss....

Looks like you were in love with her for 4 years and she was just playing you. .

I agree with everything OWL said except this. I don't think she was "just playing you".

Chinese women are very practical. She understood the situation, that she was only a kept second wife with no future. What was she supposed to do, wait until she grows older, he grows colder, and he then dumps her? The other second wives probably warned her that the bad day was coming.

I think she probably liked and loved Asia Joe and felt bad about doing what she had to do. And, I think her family and friends told her it was the smart thing to do. Grab the money and run!

Thanks Asia Joe for sharing that very private story. I agree with the excellent opinions and advice of Zhuren, OWL and all others.

There was a lady from Kent
who fucked the landlord for rent.
But as she grew older
the landlord grew colder,
and now she lives in a tent!

One Wing Low
11-06-07, 21:18
I took a pic of the map, showing the Seibu BBS in the center of the frame, marked with blue XXX.

The Panglin hotel is marked in blue X righ in front of the Seibu Dept Store, on the West side, the closest to the BBS. Other bros please confirm this location. Is it the right location or should it be the RED X 1 block West? This blue X also marks the spot for the Lotus hotel, which is not shown in the map, must be a smaller hotel.

The Guang Shen Hotel, marked in blue X, is 1 block East of the Seibu BBS area, is next closest.

The Landmark Hotel is another X, is the farthest 1.5 blocks West. I stayed at the Landmark hotel a few times, very nice true 5-star hotel. It has no problems with guests bringing girls in. I dragged in a few very poor-looking street girls before I found the Seibu BBS.

Each room in the Landmark has a 50-inch Fujitsu plasma TV. The girl I had with me was from Crystal KTV, her name was Ting Hua, very nice and classy. She was like a GF. She liked the TV so much she stayed up most of the night watching soundless movies. I was feeling up her sexy body and made love to her between sleep. Very nice.

The breakfast buffet is one of the best I have had in China. In the morning I had the KTV girl with me in the breakfast buffet full of business people. Of course there were a lot of discrete stares from the men and women. She ate and drank about 3X what I ate, and I was very hungry. It was a pleasure to see her enjoy all that good food. I paid Ting Hua 1500Y for overnight not knowing I could get similar girls for 500Y overnight from Seibu.

There were a few mamasans cruising outside the Landmark Hotel, but the girls they brought were mostly older and way below average in looks compared to what you can take out of the Seibu BBS.

For convenience of taking many girls in, the Panglin probably has the best location. For the Guang Shen, most xiaojies had no problem walking the small block there, since they can see the hotel from the BBS. A few just wanna stay in the BBS and do incall. However, the Landmark may be a problem for the xiaojies. This is where your life's priorities must be decisively sorted out...

Wizzy2007
11-09-07, 16:03
Hey OWL !

There was a link to Seibu map below your post.

Now its missing before most of us punters could grasp its details better.

Can you please re upload it back?

Thanks again,

Wizzy2007


I took a pic of the map, showing the Seibu BBS in the center of the frame, marked with blue XXX.

The Panglin hotel is marked in blue X righ in front of the Seibu Dept Store, on the West side, the closest to the BBS. Other bros please confirm this location. Is it the right location or should it be the RED X 1 block West? This blue X also marks the spot for the Lotus hotel, which is not shown in the map, must be a smaller hotel.

The Guang Shen Hotel, marked in blue X, is 1 block East of the Seibu BBS area, is next closest.

The Landmark Hotel is another X, is the farthest 1.5 blocks West. I stayed at the Landmark hotel a few times, very nice true 5-star hotel. It has no problems with guests bringing girls in. I dragged in a few very poor-looking street girls before I found the Seibu BBS.

Each room in the Landmark has a 50-inch Fujitsu plasma TV. The girl I had with me was from Crystal KTV, her name was Ting Hua, very nice and classy. She was like a GF. She liked the TV so much she stayed up most of the night watching soundless movies. I was feeling up her sexy body and made love to her between sleep. Very nice.

The breakfast buffet is one of the best I have had in China. In the morning I had the KTV girl with me in the breakfast buffet full of business people. Of course there were a lot of discrete stares from the men and women. She ate and drank about 3X what I ate, and I was very hungry. It was a pleasure to see her enjoy all that good food. I paid Ting Hua 1500Y for overnight not knowing I could get similar girls for 500Y overnight from Seibu.

There were a few mamasans cruising outside the Landmark Hotel, but the girls they brought were mostly older and way below average in looks compared to what you can take out of the Seibu BBS.

For convenience of taking many girls in, the Panglin probably has the best location. For the Guang Shen, most xiaojies had no problem walking the small block there, since they can see the hotel from the BBS. A few just wanna stay in the BBS and do incall. However, the Landmark may be a problem for the xiaojies. This is where your life's priorities must be decisively sorted out...

One Wing Low
11-10-07, 00:33
This stupid retard just goes around posting offensive, nonsense remarks.

His mother must have XXXXXXXXXX to have a son this stupid.

You have been reported.

Be very careful or you will get banned!



OWL,

"Their good attitudes reflect very well on the quality of the people of China."

First of all, are you serious? If you are, no wonder you couldn't get laid in America.

Peace out.

Cowa Banga
11-10-07, 11:56
One Wing Low,

Dude, you crack me up. I'm going to base the nation of Holland on the service received from a Dutch hooker. Sound silly? You bet. In my opinion, you are an idiot.

Santa
11-11-07, 06:27
One Wing Low,

Dude, you crack me up. I'm going to base the nation of Holland on the service received from a Dutch hooker. Sound silly? You bet. In my opinion, you are an idiot.

The members of this forum can be divided into the following percentages:

30% are stupid idiots.

30% are full of shit.

30% are fucking crazy.

10% are chronic moronics. That is, we are crazy idiots and full of shit.

Me? I really am Santa! :D Ho,ho,ho.

One Wing Low
11-11-07, 06:28
Dumb jerko. You have not contributed anything of significance to this forum.

You are just an offensive stupid asshole , a jack off.


One Wing Low,
Dude, you crack me up. I'm going to base the nation of Holland on the service received from a Dutch hooker. Sound silly? You bet. In my opinion, you are an idiot.

Wizzy2007
11-11-07, 13:23
I took a pic of the map, showing the Seibu BBS in the center of the frame, marked with blue XXX.

...Hey OWL

Where is the Seibu map please?

WizzyťŗŗŤ

One Wing Low
11-11-07, 20:46
I was gently advised by my Chinese friends, that If I was gonna invite people to visit China, encourage them to sample the social, cultural, economic aspects of the average local people, rather than taking them straight to the commercial sex zones.

I think they have a valid point.

So I will discreetly send the map to a few bros in need, with the same advise to them to explore the real China, in addition to the sex zones.



Hey OWL

Where is the Seibu map please?

WizzyťŗŗŤ

Wizzy2007
11-11-07, 23:38
I was gently advised by my Chinese friends, that If I was gonna invite people to visit China, encourage them to sample the social, cultural, economic aspects of the average local people, rather than taking them straight to the commercial sex zones.

I think they have a valid point.

So I will discreetly send the map to a few bros in need, with the same advise to them to explore the real China, in addition to the sex zones.Everyone in this forum needs every bit of infos available here.

Of course there are other forums on other aspects of chinese life where interested people can go and join.

All of us know and understand very well about he aims and objectives of this forum.
Furthermore the map was orginally there just to disappear later.

Please upload it back!

Wizzy2007

One Wing Low
11-12-07, 09:34
Looks like Wizzy is too horny, he cannot wait for the map.

While waiting for the map, you should do what some of the senior SZ mongers do. Search in the alleys in your neighborhood for anything walking, preferably on 4 legs, seize it and ...copulate.

PM the senior mongers for their fine techniques....hehehehe.



Everyone in this forum needs every bit of infos available here.

Of course there are other forums on other aspects of chinese life where interested people can go and join.

All of us know and understand very well about he aims and objectives of this forum.
Furthermore the map was orginally there just to disappear later.

Please upload it back!

Wizzy2007

Old Mean Dog
11-12-07, 13:54
PM the senior mongers for their fine techniques....hehehehe.

I see that you have 808 posts and the words "Senior Member" under your name, doesn't this qualify you?

Wizzy, maybe Senior Sex Sensei OWL will make you his student if you ask him real nice. Otherwise, RTFF, posts about how to get to the Seibu area, has been mentioned like a 1,000 times already.

-CPE

BTW: Here's a hint, SEIBU, Luohu, Shenzhen, China.

One Wing Low
11-12-07, 22:55
I cannot attach the pic to PM. So here's the map for limited time.


xxxxxxx
I took a pic of the map, showing the Seibu BBS in the center of the frame, marked with blue XXX.

The Panglin hotel is marked in blue X righ in front of the Seibu Dept Store, on the West side, the closest to the BBS. The Lotus hotel is half a block South of the Panglin on the same side of the street.

The Guang Shen Hotel, marked in blue X, is 1 block East of the Seibu BBS area, is next closest.

The Landmark Hotel is another X, is the farthest 1.5 blocks West. I stayed at the Landmark hotel a few times, very nice true 5-star hotel. It has no problems with guests bringing girls in. I dragged in a few very poor-looking street girls before I found the Seibu BBS.

Each room in the Landmark has a 50-inch Fujitsu plasma TV. The girl I had with me was from Crystal KTV, her name was Ting Hua, very nice and classy. She was like a GF. She liked the TV so much she stayed up most of the night watching soundless movies. I was feeling up her sexy body and made love to her between sleep. Very nice.

The breakfast buffet is one of the best I have had in China. In the morning I had the KTV girl with me in the breakfast buffet full of business people. Of course there were a lot of discrete stares from the men and women. She ate and drank about 3X what I ate, and I was very hungry. It was a pleasure to see her enjoy all that good food. I paid Ting Hua 1500Y for overnight not knowing I could get similar girls for 500Y overnight from Seibu.

There were a few mamasans cruising outside the Landmark Hotel, but the girls they brought were mostly older and way below average in looks compared to what you can take out of the Seibu BBS.

For convenience of taking many girls in, the Panglin probably has the best location. For the Guang Shen, most xiaojies had no problem walking the small block there, since they can see the hotel from the BBS. A few just wanna stay in the BBS and do incall. However, the Landmark may be a problem for the xiaojies. This is where your life's priorities must be decisively sorted out...

Wizzy2007
11-12-07, 23:21
I really appreciate your help which is so precise and informative.
Thanks again
Will be in SZ very soon.
Wizzy2007
Paris- France


I cannot attach the pic to PM. So here's the map for limited time.

xxxxxxx
I took a pic of the map, showing the Seibu BBS in the center of the frame, marked with blue XXX.

The Panglin hotel is marked in blue X righ in front of the Seibu Dept Store, on the West side, the closest to the BBS. Other bros please confirm this location. Is it the right location or should it be the RED X 1 block West? This blue X also marks the spot for the Lotus hotel, which is not shown in the map, must be a smaller hotel.

The Guang Shen Hotel, marked in blue X, is 1 block East of the Seibu BBS area, is next closest.

The Landmark Hotel is another X, is the farthest 1.5 blocks West. I stayed at the Landmark hotel a few times, very nice true 5-star hotel. It has no problems with guests bringing girls in. I dragged in a few very poor-looking street girls before I found the Seibu BBS.

Each room in the Landmark has a 50-inch Fujitsu plasma TV. The girl I had with me was from Crystal KTV, her name was Ting Hua, very nice and classy. She was like a GF. She liked the TV so much she stayed up most of the night watching soundless movies. I was feeling up her sexy body and made love to her between sleep. Very nice.

The breakfast buffet is one of the best I have had in China. In the morning I had the KTV girl with me in the breakfast buffet full of business people. Of course there were a lot of discrete stares from the men and women. She ate and drank about 3X what I ate, and I was very hungry. It was a pleasure to see her enjoy all that good food. I paid Ting Hua 1500Y for overnight not knowing I could get similar girls for 500Y overnight from Seibu.

There were a few mamasans cruising outside the Landmark Hotel, but the girls they brought were mostly older and way below average in looks compared to what you can take out of the Seibu BBS.

For convenience of taking many girls in, the Panglin probably has the best location. For the Guang Shen, most xiaojies had no problem walking the small block there, since they can see the hotel from the BBS. A few just wanna stay in the BBS and do incall. However, the Landmark may be a problem for the xiaojies. This is where your life's priorities must be decisively sorted out...

One Wing Low
11-13-07, 07:53
Hi Wizzy,

Tres heureux pour ton assistance.

Like how soon are you gonna be in SZ? Quand es tu a SZ?

Are you gonna deep French kiss every tight, wet pussy in Seibu???


I really appreciate your help which is so precise and informative.
Thanks again
Will be in SZ very soon.
Wizzy2007
Paris- France

One Wing Low
11-13-07, 09:02
hand over all tel numbers when you leave SZ...



Gents
Im still getting road pussy at 150 a touch and all nights with multi pops at 400 , good grades and cock workers.

My Freebies are dominating now so I only chase when necessary. Word of mouth is great with these girls, at 2am I order in some food and before you know it i have 3-5 squealing hotties in for the late night snack. Then its seeing who has one last shot in them.

By the way mt PIMP is still at 200 a pop for quality.

One Wing Low
11-24-07, 18:49
Hi Fast Eddie,

You seem to know a lot about how to get around in China.

What is the easiest way to go from Guangzhou International Airport to Chang Ping then Luohu? I wanna stop and visit Yalan before heading to SZ.

Appreciate your advise.


Manonsan boy,

I though you are a shenzhen expert the new crossing is mainly for hong konger that are going to Futain area , I think the kcrr station is too far to the custom border you need to take a shuttle ,yes there are many bbs area and hotel in Futain and this border are faster than Lo wu border less traffic.

Fast eddie 48

Old Mean Dog
11-25-07, 04:47
Hi Fast Eddie,

You seem to know a lot about how to get around in China.

What is the easiest way to go from Guangzhou International Airport to Chang Ping then Luohu? I wanna stop and visit Yalan before heading to SZ.

Appreciate your advise.

If Fast Eddie can't help you, PM me; I know 4 burley guys who drive a little QQ car and would be more than happy to give you a lift. ;)

If you're coming to CP, maybe we can finally meet! but be warned, don't give oral to the girls as I would hate to think "You're licking, where I've been sticking".

-CPE

One Wing Low
11-25-07, 06:39
I will deliver 4 balless eunuchs to your apartment as your Christmas present.

I heard you prefer the backdoors....

And what did you stick the girls with? Your finger?


If Fast Eddie can't help you, PM me; I know 4 burley guys who drive a little QQ car and would be more than happy to give you a lift. ;)

If you're coming to CP, maybe we can finally meet! but be warned, don't give oral to the girls as I would hate to think "You're licking, where I've been sticking".

-CPE

Old Mean Dog
11-25-07, 07:25
I will deliver 4 balless eunuchs to your apartment as your Christmas present.

I heard you prefer the backdoors....

And what did you stick the girls with? Your finger?

Great, let me know what time you and your only 3 buddies in China will be coming over.

Depends, sometimes I use the front door, sometimes the backdoor and I have been known to use the window if both doors are locked.

You betcha; Always do some finger play, gotta get 'em wet and aroused so that my crank slides in well. Happy Dining OWL

-CPE

BTW: What hotel do you usually stay at in CP? I am sure myself, Santa, Bill Lee, Gentilman Jim, OAH and a few others will be around.

Bnlee2
11-27-07, 03:24
Hi Fast Eddie,

You seem to know a lot about how to get around in China.

What is the easiest way to go from Guangzhou International Airport to Chang Ping then Luohu? I wanna stop and visit Yalan before heading to SZ.

Appreciate your advise.

PM CPEXPAT and Moody...

They will be glad to help you with your request...btw.. before meeting them, make sure you have a paid up health insurance plan. If they are too busy, they will send over a few of their friends to assist your needs.

One Wing Low
12-02-07, 08:30
Moody,

You were jealous of my posts. You were jealous of my good times with the xiaojies. Now you are jealous of my French too??? Where is this going to end?

You dont care if the bros all over the world see you clearly as a petty, mean, jealous, bitchy little man?

Did your parents teach you any manners?


Hey OWL,

If you don't know any French, don't pretend like you do.... Nobody wears a soiree, although they may go to them.... Trying to sound all smart and shit by throwing in a couple of French words in your posts makes you look like an uber-idiot if you use 'em wrong....
.

One Wing Low
12-03-07, 08:44
It's surreal that you are so stupid and not ashamed of showing off your stupidity and nastiness in a public forum.

You are a shame to your family or whatever hole you came from!


LMFAO!!! You are so out of touch with reality that it borders on the surreal.

OldAsiaHand
12-04-07, 05:54
OWL,

Your bullshit comments continue to annoy every member on this forum. You have lost all your credibility if you ever had any. You cannot win.

Moody is a long time respected member of this board. He has more experience on the South China mongering scene than you can ever dream of.

Just let it go!

OAH



It's surreal that you are so stupid and not ashamed of showing off your stupidity and nastiness in a public forum.

You are a shame to your family or whatever hole you came from!

Neuromancer
12-04-07, 17:02
You think Moody is a long time respected member? You think Moody has credibility? Your opinions are debatable.

He has proved himself one of the rudest and nastiest little man in this forum. The guy knows no shame. I have him in my ignore list to avoid reading his petty personal attacks.

Do you support guys like Moody to attack other posters in the lowliest ways? You should know better. Your credibility is now in question.What if every member starting hurling insults at OWL so that they get on his "ignore list"?

Dude (OWL), I think I'm a somewhat neutral party here. I don't know you, I don't know Moody, I've met CPEx once. You really need to give it a rest. Please put me on your "ignore list". So on the off chance that I post something useful, you won't have the benefit of reading about it.

Manfest
12-04-07, 18:17
You think Moody is a long time respected member? You think Moody has credibility? That's just your opinions.

--cut--

Why don't you ask Moody to let it go?? Your personal bias is glaring.

--cut--

You should know better. Your credibility is now in question.


I have not met either Moody or OAH, and speak without obvious bias. Moody and OAH's reputation stand untarnished and above reproach for their contributions over the years and their stable virtual personality. Your persona here seems to be an ass*ole looking for a fight. I said seem because I haven't met you either. Might I suggest you put everyone who attacks you on the ignore list, and the rest of us report every one of your flaming posts to the moderator. Yes, obviously this is my opinion, thanks (sarcastic tone just in case you didn't pick it up).

Wadman
12-05-07, 09:38
One Wing Low,

Surely by now you must realize that your viewpoint is supported by you alone and nobody else. Who are these "senior members" that you claim to share your POV?

Moody called you out because he thought you were spouting a lot of BS about China...which you are! With all the mis-information you have been spreading, the only question was who and when was going to challenge you.

So please, stop the crap and stop fouling up the board.



You think Moody is a long time respected member? You think Moody has credibility? That's just your opinions.

I have the right to defend myself against personnal attacks. Moody has proved himself one of the rudest and nastiest little man in this forum. The guy knows no shame. I have him in my ignore list to avoid reading his petty personal attacks. I know a few senior guys who are pissed off at the guys who attack other posters personally, and who no longer care to post in this forum to avoid tangling with shameless trash like Moody.

You claim to speak for every member of this board? You sure as hell don't speak for me and a lot of people I know. Moody attacks me, and you ask me to 'let it go?' What kind of bullshit is that? Why don't you ask Moody to let it go?? Your personal bias is glaring. Do you support guys like Moody to attack other posters in the lowliest ways? You should know better. Your credibility is now in question.

Dodgy Fellow
12-05-07, 16:42
I will deliver 4 balless eunuchs to your apartment as your Christmas present.

I heard you prefer the backdoors.

And what did you stick the girls with? Your finger?OWL, I have no idea what you're trying to say with this post.

Eunuchs are incapable of having erections.

One Wing Low
12-06-07, 17:59
That's true, but eunuchs have been known to cause major erections for a few senior mongers in CP...hehehe.


OWL, I have no idea what you're trying to say with this post.

Eunuchs are incapable of having erections.

Old Mean Dog
12-06-07, 18:18
That's true, but eunuchs have been known to cause major erections for a few senior mongers in CP...hehehe.

OWL,

It is against forum policy to talk or openly fantasize about your homosexual desires.

I must admit that word has it, you are even a douche bag in person as you are behind your computer. Looking forward to seeing you in CP ;)

-CPE

One Wing Low
12-29-07, 01:58
Got in SZ in the afternoon. Went to the famous seafood restaurant on Seafood street next to the Golden Luohu hotel for a fabulous lunch.

Went to Seibu for the girls. There were dozen girls in each alley in the afternoon. The scene has not changed much despite talks of repeated raids.

Did 3 girls in the hotel in the next 12 hours,150 RMB each. All were nice, young and pretty. Only seibu has this great combination of selection, convenience and low price.

The mamasan with a shop in the middle alley has a better selection of young girls than most. She had 8 girls sitting around at 6AM, mostly young, pretty type. I decided on Cie Cie, a young slender girl with a pretty face. The mamasan looks like a chubby, middle-aged peasant but speaks fair English. The girls were out in the alley, had a good time kidding around, laughing at my butchered Mandarin and practicing their English. I told her 150 RMB (YI BAI WU SHA RMB) for Cie Cie to go to my hotel, and she quickly agreed. She wanted money up front but I only gave her 50 RMB (wu sha RMB) up front and the rest to the girl afterward.

Some of the girls remember me from my last visit 3 months ago. They all seem to know Master Monger. They were waving, laughing, saying 'Wo ai ni... I love you...' as I walked past their shops...That was the only chinese phrase I knew in my last visit. I took a quick course in conversational Chinese and can ask their names, their rates ect... They were all laughing and kidding around with my Chinese.

Cie Cie was young, pretty, very tight and playful, great in bed. Will do her again.

Any bro needing hotel delivery could try to call Cie Cie's mamasan at 1 371 538 6728. She speaks passable English, is reasonable and would likely send the girls given the right incentives. Her business card is attached.

Moody
12-29-07, 04:38
...150 RMB (YI BAI WU SHA RMB) ...50 RMB (wu sha RMB) ...
I took a quick course in conversational Chinese and can ask their names, their rates ect... They were all laughing and kidding around with my Chinese.

Take a couple more classes. They were laughing at you cuz you're an idiot. Man, the first and easiest thing to learn in Chinese is the number system, how the hell do you mess up something that basic?? BTW, when you say RMB, no one's gonna remotely understand what you're saying, it's like saying KFC.

What you should say:

yi bai wu shi kuai
wu shi kuai

Actually, just saying, "yi bai wu shi" or "wu shi" is enough.

One Wing Low
12-29-07, 13:18
Called up Cie Cie's mamasan. Told her 150 RMB (Yi bai wu shi) for Cie Cie and hotel name and room number.

Sat back and waited. 15 minutes later there were knocks on the door. Opened up and found the girl was not Cie cie but a slightly older and chubbier. She was doable but she was not as young and sexy as Cie Cie, so I told her to leave. She was talking, saying Cie Cie went home... trying to convince me to let her stay but I told her firmly I only want Cie Cie ( Wo shihuan Cie Cie...).

Finally gave her 10 RMB and pushed her out the door. Have to walk back to the seibu alleys to pick out someone as pretty or better than Cie Cie...

Old Mean Dog
12-29-07, 15:15
Called up Cie Cie's mamasan. Told her 150 RMB (Yi bai wu shi) for Cie Cie and hotel name and room number.

Sat back and waited. 15 minutes later there were knocks on the door. Opened up and found the girl was not Cie cie but a slightly older and chubbier. She was doable but she was not as young and sexy as Cie Cie, so I told her to leave. She was talking, saying Cie Cie went home... trying to convince me to let her stay but I told her firmly I only want Cie Cie ( Wo shihuan Cie Cie...).

Finally gave her 10 RMB and pushed her out the door. Have to walk back to the seibu alleys to pick out someone as pretty or better than Cie Cie...

Good reports, but I think it should be Ni xiang yao Cie Cie

-CPE

One Wing Low
12-29-07, 15:54
Got rid of the first delivery girl, was gonna go out for a bite to eat then go to the alley to pick up Cie Cie, when there were knocks on the door again.

Opened the door and found a young, slender girl with a sweet, pretty face. She said her name was Shien Shien. She wore very little make up and dressed tastefully in a short skirt and white boots. She looked like most young girls on the streets of SZ. Looks like Cie Cie's mamasan was determined to help me drain my balls...

She looked good enough that I decided to do her before going to dinner. Took a shower with her, lathering up and massaging her petite body, paying special attention to her pink nipples and bushy crotch. She soaped me up and started to caress my dick. I quickly developed an erection in the shower.

In bed, started to kiss her sexy body, sucking on her pink tits, kising her lips, fingering her clit. She was caressing my dick and pinching my nipples...She soon started to moan. Upon entering found her pussy as tight as Cie Cie's Had to take a few hard strokes to get in all the way. She was quite wet inside without using any lube. As I poked deeper and harder into her pussy, she began to moan even louder, hissing though her teeth. Her hands were all over my body. Her face was all twisted so it looked like she did not fake it... For a while I kept thrusting into her crotch while watching her pretty face. Her expressions of pleasure were very enjoyable...

Got done with her and took another shower. Did not have change so walked her down the street to make change. She took me back to her BBS. She talked to the young mamasan in the alley and told me there were undercovered cops in the area. She took me back out to the street where I made change and gave her the rest of the 150 Y.

Had dinner then decided to wander back in the alleys. There were patrol cars, motorcycles and a paddy wagon parked in front of the entrance into the alley but there was no sight of the cops. The girls and their mamasans were out again trying to pull me into their shops. They did not seem to be concerned about LE in the area.

The delivery system works fairly well to my satisfaction. It's definitely convenient and cheap, and the girl was young and good-looking, recommended.

Life is definitely easy and sweet in SZ.

One Wing Low
12-30-07, 01:38
Got up at 7AM with nothing to do. Had some coffee then walked down the Seibu alleys searching. The street life around Seibu was just starting to wake up. The sauna and massages joints were still open with the girls in dresses touting in front. One massage joint had a sign advertising 3 hours of body and foot massage for 58Y. The tout girl in front was very good looking.

Most BBS in the alley were still open with their pink fluorescent lights. There were a good number of girls and a few groups of guys checking them out. The girls and mamasans were out pulling and tugging as usual.

Walked around the alleys a couple times. There were al least 4 or 5 pretty girls that I would do. A few were disheveled with messed up hair like they just got out of beds. Finally decided on a pretty, petite girl. Her mamasan said her name was Xiao Xiao.

Walked the alleys back to the hotel with her arm in arm. She is a nice, fresh, very pretty girl. She said it was cold. There were few people on the streets, most were security guards working the night shift. We had our share of staring which I got used to and never gave a shit.

Back in the room she was chatty, said it was cold so did not wanna take a shower. She wore very little make up and no fragrance, but her face looked fresh and pretty. Her body and her hair smelled nice and fresh. She firmly declined any picture so we just went to bed.

She took her time giving me the whole treatment in bed. She insisted on using her own condom for the flavor in her blow job. She was very nice in bed. Her sexy expressions were precious. I really wanted to see this girl again. Asked her repeatedly for her phone number but she declined.

Got done. Had no change so gave her exactly 150Y. She declined the small bills. Offered her a small bottle of perfume which she really appreciated. Her attitude improved a great deal. She gave me her mobile number and agreed to come back when I call. She confirmed the room number again.

Xiao Xiao is a very nice and pretty girl worth seeing again.

Life in SZ is so sweet!

One Wing Low
12-31-07, 01:12
Spent a night partying hard with the local boys and girls. Went to restaurant, bar then ended up in KTV. Most places were booked solid due to the New Year weekend. The young girls in the group were aggressively seducing the married guys in front of their friends, so Chinese girls are not shy.

Woke up 7AM with a slight hangover. Called Xiao Xiao for some company. She recognized my voice and came over in 15 minutes. She has a nice, tight body with perky boobies. She sucked on my nipples and dick and periodically spit into the trash can. It took me a long time to develop an erection, due to alcohol the night before and probably the novelty has worn off, seeing her pretty face and petite body the second time.

She was very tight. Took some good effort to penetrate her. Did a lot of hard thrusting and grinding but could not get anywhere close to an ejaculation. She, however, seemed to enjoy my effort. She was moaning, wailing, hanging tight on to my waist with both her arms, so it looked like she really enjoyed her job, not just faking. Finally came, exhausted.

Gave her the standard 150Y and a small tip. She looked pleased at the tip, but asked me for another perfume bottle. Had to tell her I ran out. I kissed her on her cheek and her neck and found she did wear that perfume.

Life is good but can be tiring....

OldAsiaHand
12-31-07, 05:34
OWL,

With all due respect, are you using the forum as your own personal diary? I realize this is an open forum, however, do you really think we all want to hear about every single girl you do and how you do them with such detail?

Just my POV.

OAH



Spent a night partying hard with the local boys and girls. Went to restaurant, bar then ended up in KTV. Most places were booked solid due to the New Year weekend. The young girls in the group were aggressively seducing the married guys in front of their friends, so Chinese girls are not shy.

Woke up 7AM with a slight hangover. Called Xiao Xiao for some company. She recognized my voice and came over in 15 minutes. She has a nice, tight body with perky boobies. She sucked on my nipples and dick and periodically spit into the trash can. It took me a long time to develop an erection, due to alcohol the night before and probably the novelty has worn off, seeing her pretty face and petite body the second time.

She was very tight. Took some good effort to penetrate her. Did a lot of hard thrusting and grinding but could not get anywhere close to an ejaculation. She, however, seemed to enjoy my effort. She was moaning, wailing, hanging tight on to my waist with both her arms, so it looked like she really enjoyed her job, not just faking. Finally came, exhausted.

Gave her the standard 150Y and a small tip. She looked pleased at the tip, but asked me for another perfume bottle. Had to tell her I ran out. I kissed her on her cheek and her neck and found she did wear that perfume.

Life is good but can be tiring....

One Wing Low
01-01-08, 04:22
You may not want to read what I post, but others might. The info I post may not benefit you but may be useful for others. My posts are not just for you or the permanent residents of China.

For example, there are many people who have never been to China who want know in details what Chinese girls are like in bed... Similarly, I myself seek detailed info about the sex experiences in many countries before I decide to spend my vacation time and money.

I dont post about every girl I do, only those with significant information.

If you dont like what I post, you can just skip it.



OWL,

With all due respect, are you using the forum as your own personal diary? I realize this is an open forum, however, do you really think we all want to hear about every single girl you do and how you do them with such detail?

Just my POV.

OAH

ABCinLA
01-02-08, 02:49
I'm sorry but they just read kind of sappy.


You may not want to read what I post, but others might. The info I post may not benefit you but may be useful for others. My posts are not just for you or the permanent residents of China.

For example, there are many people who have never been to China who want know in details what Chinese girls are like in bed... Similarly, I myself seek detailed info about the sex experiences in many countries before I decide to spend my vacation time and money.

I dont post about every girl I do, only those with significant information.

If you dont like what I post, you can just skip it.

One Wing Low
01-03-08, 00:08
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted in accordance with the ISG Forum's Zero Tolerance policy regarding reports containing any personal attacks or derogatory comments directed towards another forum member.

Please be advised that Forum Members who succeed in having three or more of their reports deleted for personal attacks against other forum members will be banned under the Forum's Serial Antagonist Policy.

1 down, 2 to go

Will somebody please report this guy's next personal attack via the "Report this Post to a Moderator" link, and be sure to note that it will be his 2nd violation.

Thanks,

Jackson

One Wing Low
01-03-08, 02:40
I dont want to get into much details as narrow-minded guys are known to get jealous. For more details, read Ace Gallant's ShenZhen thread.

The all-night date was well worth it relative to the quality of the company, the costs and hassles of multiple sessions with the BBS girls. Highly recommended.

For the bros who prefer higher-quality take outs, Bing Bing's card is attached. She looks hungry for business so you will be treated well. Just say her friend from Beijing U referred you and she would understand. The bar needs to do some business, so you should call Bing Bing ahead and she can talk the taxi to take you there.

OldAsiaHand
01-03-08, 03:15
By your posts, it's easy for people to recognize you as a stupid, ignorant, jealous, low-class asshole.

OWL,

First you attack my good friend Moody, now you go after another good friend, CPE. Both of these guys have more knowledge and experience in the S. China mongering scene and do more pussy than you can ever dream of; and you sure are a dreamer. The information they post is direct, accurate and to the point.

IMHO, you bring this shit on yourself. What do you expect from these kind of posts?

Just my POV.

OAH

Old Mean Dog
01-03-08, 16:39
I dont want to get into much details as narrow-minded guys are known to get jealous. For more details, read Ace Gallant's ShenZhen thread.

The all-night date was well worth it relative to the quality of the company, the costs and hassles of multiple sessions with the BBS girls. Highly recommended.

For the bros who prefer higher-quality take outs, Bing Bing's card is attached. She looks hungry for business so you will be treated well. Just say her friend from Beijing U referred you and she would understand. The bar needs to do some business, so you should call Bing Bing ahead and she can talk the taxi to take you there.

Hey OWL,

Try the 1st Class Club (next to Sunshine Hotel) or for an amazing experience, checkout Club Chocolate over by Dongmen. That is the most state of the art joint I have ever seen.

-CPE

Bob Builder
01-06-08, 14:29
Called up Cie Cie's mamasan. Told her 150 RMB (Yi bai wu shi) for Cie Cie and hotel name and room number.

Sat back and waited. 15 minutes later there were knocks on the door. Opened up and found the girl was not Cie cie but a slightly older and chubbier. She was doable but she was not as young and sexy as Cie Cie, so I told her to leave. She was talking, saying Cie Cie went home... trying to convince me to let her stay but I told her firmly I only want Cie Cie ( Wo shihuan Cie Cie...).

Finally gave her 10 RMB and pushed her out the door. Have to walk back to the seibu alleys to pick out someone as pretty or better than Cie Cie...

What the feck did I say about language skills! I just punched these digits into my phone and the number belongs to a mamasan called Cie Cie. So it is highly unlikely that she is going to show up to your room anytime soon. Anyways her gals are average at best.


Now a warning for all you bullies out there, the last time I heard of group of Lao Weis bullying a guy from 'Nam they all got shot like deer. Happened in Wisconsin! Shenzhen??? Or he could kick you all in the balls. ROFLMAO!

You guys are wound up tighter than a Jack-in-the-Box! Its like reading a soap opera, same shit different day.

One Wing Low
01-07-08, 18:54
If you go back, these guys attacked me first.

Their attacks have been reported.


OWL,

First you attack my good friend Moody, now you go after another good friend, CPE. Both of these guys have more knowledge and experience in the S. China mongering scene and do more pussy than you can ever dream of; and you sure are a dreamer. The information they post is direct, accurate and to the point.

IMHO, you bring this shit on yourself. What do you expect from these kind of posts?

Just my POV.

OAH

Moody
01-08-08, 06:01
If you go back, these guys attacked me first.

Their attacks have been reported.

OWL you idiot,

Man, you're paranoid. In all my reports, I've never attacked you. The most I did was call you an "idiot" which by all accounts, is true. Calling a mentally challenged person a "retard" may not be politically correct, but it's not a personal attack either. Go ahead and report me for all I care. Unlike you, the forum gets a lot more out of me than I get out of the forum. For me it's more entertainment than information. Let me add one more thing to the "things I know about OWL" list.

10) He's a whiny snitch.

Somebody please quote me so the "idiot" will see this post.

One Wing Low
01-08-08, 07:42
You should never call anyone an idiot, even if he/she is an obvious idiot, unless you want a fight. Only rude, uneducated people go out of their ways to offend people.

You guys are discouraging a lot of people from participating freely in this forum by ridiculing newbies and people who dont speak Chinese, or who dont live locally. They have the rights to post their info in this forum without being ridiculed or personally attacked. This China forum is far more hostile than any other forum.

Just because you dont like reports by newbies does not mean noone likes their reports. In fact, a lot of newbies would rather hear the experiences from newbies, who do not live in China and speak Chinese, just to gauge how difficult or easy it would be for them to navigate the scene. A few people have PMed me for recommendations rather than risking being attacked for posting questions in this forum.

If you dont like my posts, you dont have to read it. Attacking my posts because I dont speak Chinese, and dont live in China, would just make you bullies and would scare off a lot of potential visitors to China.

You can dispute or correct the information in the posts but you should not attack the persons who post, or try to discredit them. Govern your conducts in this forum so people dont avoid you in real life.

Here are a few recent PM's to me about my posts:

-----------------------
Hello OWL,

Good to read your post in SZ forum. I see you are back. That is great you are enjoying the girls there.
Seems like you are doing well with the language and getting by with the girls. I would love to meet up with you, unfortunately, I won't be in SZ till later Jan or early Feb. How long will you be in China this time?

I stayed at the Seibu hotel you recommended last time in November and it was very convenient to walk across the street to Seibu.

Enjoy you new year in China. Happy New Year.

------------

One Wing,

Hope you are doing well! Long time no talk...I'm still in the US right now... Sounds like SZ is treating you well.

I for one enjoy your posts so keep up the good work!! You are doing good work over there!

Got a happy new year text from one of my email pals in SZ... She is a non-pro that I chatted with online and then met up with when I was in SZ last year... Didn't bang her though...

Off to find some hot kgirls! Ah... SZ though, thats a good place!

cheers

SE Asia Joe
01-08-08, 09:57
OK OWL:
I've so far refrained from responding to you directly but....... What I find offensive about your posts is that not only are they just self aggrandizement pieces, but that it will steer others - especially newbies - into thinking that what you wrote is actually true.
Look-it, for all I know, you may be a decent fellow - but by giving the wrong information as to the actual scene here in Guangdong - my playground and many others here, you will screw it up. You have these newbies believing you and they come expecting all sorts of things and then getting all pissed off when they get hit by reality. Your pieces will encourage newbies to come, thinking that they are God's gift to the women of Southern China.
OK - you probably do provide information to some - but Jeez - please give correct information and enuff of your Playboy advisor pieces. And enough of how much of a Valentino you are.
IMHO
Se Asia Joe

You should never call anyone an idiot, even if he/she is an obvious idiot, unless you want a fight. Only rude, uneducated people go out of their ways to offend people.

You guys are discouraging a lot of people from participating freely in this forum by ridiculing newbies and people who dont speak Chinese, or who dont live locally. They have the rights to post their info in this forum without being ridiculed or personally attacked. This China forum is far more hostile than any other forum.

Just because you dont like reports by newbies does not mean noone likes their reports. In fact, a lot of newbies would rather hear the experiences from newbies, who do not live in China and speak Chinese, just to gauge how difficult or easy it would be for them to navigate the scene. A few people have PMed me for recommendations rather than risking being attacked for posting questions in this forum.

If you dont like my posts, you dont have to read it. Attacking my posts because I dont speak Chinese, and dont live in China, would just make you bullies and would scare off a lot of potential visitors to China.

You can dispute or correct the information in the posts but you should not attack the persons who post, or try to discredit them. Govern your conducts in this forum so people dont avoid you in real life.

Here are a few recent PM's to me about my posts:

-----------------------
Hello OWL,

Good to read your post in SZ forum. I see you are back. That is great you are enjoying the girls there.
Seems like you are doing well with the language and getting by with the girls. I would love to meet up with you, unfortunately, I won't be in SZ till later Jan or early Feb. How long will you be in China this time?

I stayed at the Seibu hotel you recommended last time in November and it was very convenient to walk across the street to Seibu.

Enjoy you new year in China. Happy New Year.

------------

One Wing,

Hope you are doing well! Long time no talk...I'm still in the US right now... Sounds like SZ is treating you well.

I for one enjoy your posts so keep up the good work!! You are doing good work over there!

Got a happy new year text from one of my email pals in SZ... She is a non-pro that I chatted with online and then met up with when I was in SZ last year... Didn't bang her though...

Off to find some hot kgirls! Ah... SZ though, thats a good place!

cheers

One Wing Low
01-08-08, 12:56
A few bros in here are well-informed and mean well. I respect their strength of character and their keen sense of fairness. Some of these bros are real gentlemen. I am indebted for the help of quite a few other bros for fantastic good times on the road.

I admit that I was strong-headed, trying to convince EVERYONE my info was truthful, and to fight back any attack. Now I realize that it's futile and not even necessary.

I had some great times with a few bros in South China and look forward to seeing them again and again. I dont want to cause further division among the bros by continuing this argument. I wish everyone would just stop this issue from now on.

I will let go of all my ill wills against certain bros and wish those bros would do same for me. If we ever cross paths on the road, I will buy all ISG bros a few drinks to enjoy their company and to listen to their interesting stories, without being skeptical or critical, because we are all unique individuals, and that is the exact reason why life is so interesting....

Peace, fun and happiness to everyone in the new year.

One Wing Low
01-10-08, 21:28
Was in Seibu alleys about 2AM Sunday morning. The alleys were dark, the BBS were empty, not a single girl was found. There was a major raid. I think the BBS girls just disappeared into the apartments above their shops waiting for signals to come back to work. Will also check out the internet cafes next time.

There were about 30 girls hang out on the street corner across from Seibu department store. These were freelancers, not the same BBS girls and not as good-looking. I could not find a single girl worth doing. The old tout women wanted 300Y. I told them to fuck off.

Went back in the alley at 1PM, the girls were back in the shops. There were many good-looking ones. Picked Tian Tian, a petite light-skinned girl for 150Y. The papasan, whom I never met before, gestured for her to go with me to the hotel. They all seem to know the johns and what they want. Well, this time I wanted to try their apartment. The papasan and Tian Tian were very surprised but she picked out a chain of keys and took me into a very dark stairwell. I was afraid of being attacked or robbed in the cramp and dark stairwell and was ready to fight, but nothing happened.

It was a 3-room apartment on 2nd floor, small, cramped, damp and dark. There was a bed in every room. The floor was wet. She took me into a small bedroom with just a bed and a few pairs of flip flops on the floor. There was an old cover on the bed but no mattress underneath. The bed was not the cleanest, but OK for a quick session.

She took off her clothes, smiling, inviting me into the bed. Her sweet demeanors put away all my apprehension. She was a very young, pretty and sexy girl with a beautiful body, glowing light skin, and bright pink nipples. She was gonna let me do it bareback, but I insisted on cover. We had a very good session. Will miss her.

I was probably out of there right before the SZ police smashed their doors and furniture. The BBS girls live in those apartments and are likely to return to their business between the raids. It's a no win situation for the SZ police. They should just stop wasting their resources to harass these little girls.

Life in SZ is so sweet...

Traveler1234
01-10-08, 21:52
Went back in the alley at 1PM, the girls were back in the shops. I was afraid of being attacked or robbed in the cramp and dark stairwell and was ready to fight, but nothing happened.


Of all your posts, this by far is the most hilarious...not only a lover but a bruce lee fighter...ROFLMAO

One Wing Low
01-15-08, 00:55
I have mongered all over Vietnem, Thailand, Cambodia, Lao, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Bali, Japan, Korea....

'Nam is not recommended due to harsh government actions driving most sex activities undeground, creating opportunities for price gouging and lots of scams.

I recently gave DarVader some contacts in Na Trang which he should be able to do 5-7 girls a day... Quality, performance and prices are nowhere as good as South China.


OWL,

Have you ever mongered in Vietnam?

Just curious.

One Wing Low
01-15-08, 17:30
Went to a few BBS in Seoul. They are all strategically located near subway stations.

Korean girls are mostly older, but a few are very good looking. Most of them are taller and beefier than Chinese girls. They keep their bushes trimmed and neat.

They usually have clocks on the night stands which give you exactly the 20 minutes promised. The minute after the act, they would immediately have their clothes back on, showing their sexy bodies in the glass store fronts.



OWL,

What are thoughts on South Korea regarding trim?

OldAsiaHand
01-16-08, 10:34
OWL,

Which BBS did you visit in Seoul with a glass storefront?

OAH


Went to a few BBS in Seoul. They are all strategically located near subway stations.

Korean girls are mostly older, but a few are very good looking. Most of them are taller and beefier than Chinese girls. They keep their bushes trimmed and neat.

They usually have clocks on the night stands which give you exactly the 20 minutes promised. The minute after the act, they would immediately have their clothes back on, showing their sexy bodies in the glass store fronts.

One Wing Low
01-19-08, 01:50
They are very expressive about their joys having sex.

If they are acting, hell, they can act a lot better than all my girl friends, in fact, better than most Hollywood stars and should deserve their Academy Awards.

The Seibu girls are very vocal, moaning, panting, shrieking. One of the girls in Beijing was making a lot of noise. She was biting and kissing me all over. The handjob girl in Hubei Xin Cun was making a lot of passionate noise while tugging me. She was having orgams after orgasms on her own without my help. I felt grossly inadequate and embarassed.

A few KTV/bar girls and freebies I had in China were enjoying sex in a lot quieter and demured ways. They were quieter but their hips were very active. So I think Seibu girls are trained to express themselves loudly in sex. That makes the little Seibu girls my favorite, hehehe.

They probably learn a lot of their sexual techniques watching porn movies in their apartments. I have to profess my admiration for China's education and training system. It does help a few guys to climax and make a lot of people happy.

Read my previous posts for where I posted a business card for Cie Cie, the stocky middle-aged mamasan in Seibu. She has a lot of nice girls and speaks adequate English for her business.


Went to Seibu Fri night.

It was DEAD. BBS were shut down and no more tons of take out girls in front of Seibu. There were few mommies and one of them brought couple of girls. There weren't that cute.

Took one girl with large racks to Landmark Crowne Plaza neat Seibu and she turned out to be rare good lay. Nymph would describe her. She enjoyed it bit too much and creative on the positions. I guess something can be said about not so beautiful girls enjoy getting laid. Price was 200 RMB and I gave her 100 RMB tip for her service as it's rare to get girls to go all out and enjoy instead of rushing you to go out to get another john.

Where are the decent BBS actions near Lowu?

Soulman
01-19-08, 02:32
You're so darn right! When they really get into - it's really no acting... I found Chinese girls in mainland to enjoy sex more having been to Asia since 1986 on business starting with Korea/Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia and last 10 years in PRC.

It's really a toss up as to whether GF action filled with moaning/orgasm/give me more or dead fish. I've been wrong too many times meaning expect hot session turned mechanical come now session and vice versa.

My date last night just went absolute bonkers and couldn't get enough which got me more pumped up. She was really a horny nymph and I''m thinking about bringing her again tonight. She gave very good covered BJ and enjoyed it whch I find to be bit odd for local PRC girls. Not used to getting bitten mind you but she wanted me to squeeze her racks so tight that it must have been painful for her. Rare indeed and heck of fun! My experiences have been that little chunkier/shorter and not very pretty girls tend to give better services thru out Asia.

You're absolutely right on KTV and girl friend types being more passive or less vocal. :) Many KTV girls were lousy lays IMHO. Next in line for lousy service are BBS girls. I had best luck with street walker take out girls in terms of very good service putting porn stars to shame. You think they watch porns to learn?

Could it be that girls from certain region of PRC are more into it?

Thanks for the tip on Cie Cie. Will contact her.

Cheers OWL



They are very expressive about their joys having sex.

If they are acting, hell, they can act a lot better than all my girl friends, in fact, better than most Hollywood stars and should deserve their Academy Awards.

The Seibu girls are very vocal, moaning, panting, shrieking. One of the girls in Beijing was making a lot of noise. She was biting and kissing me all over. The handjob girl in Hubei Xin Cun was making a lot of passionate noise while tugging me. She was having orgams after orgasms on her own without my help. I felt grossly inadequate and embarassed.

A few KTV/bar girls and freebies I had in China were enjoying sex in a lot quieter and demured ways. They were quieter but their hips were very active. So I think Seibu girls are trained to express themselves loudly in sex. That makes the little Seibu girls my favorite, hehehe.

They probably learn a lot of their sexual techniques watching porn movies in their apartments. I have to profess my admiration for China's education and training system. It does help a few guys to climax and make a lot of people happy.

Read my previous posts for where I posted a business card for Cie Cie, the stocky middle-aged mamasan in Seibu. She has a lot of nice girls and speaks adequate English for her business.

Santa
01-19-08, 06:24
The handjob girl was making a lot of passionate noise while tugging me. She was having orgams after orgasms on her own without my help.

She was not having "orgasms" you idiot, she is just trying to get you to pop so she can get the friggin money. She is wanking guys off everyday!

That has to be one the funniest posts on the forum! You actually believe that this girl was having orgasms by spanking your monkey. :D

OWL, you are living in a fantasy, but if that helps you pop and makes you feel good about yourself, then what's the harm.

Have you ever read the short story called Walter Mitty? Do a Google search.

Maybe you should change your handle to The Dreamer.

One Wing Low
01-19-08, 19:10
She was faking orgasms by making all those noise. She was trying to make me come. Everybody knows that. Can't you understand the irony ? Soulman went there. He knows that.

Why do you have to look for excuse to attack me? You are a stupid idiot for taking everything literally. You are very rude and offensive.


She was not having "orgasms" you idiot, she is just trying to get you to pop so she can get the friggin money. She is wanking guys off everyday!

That has to be one the funniest posts on the forum! You actually believe that this girl was having orgasms by spanking your monkey. :D

OWL, you are living in a fantasy, but if that helps you pop and makes you feel good about yourself, then what's the harm.

Have you ever read the short story called Walter Mitty? Do a Google search.

Maybe you should change your handle to The Dreamer.

Tiger 888
01-19-08, 19:53
She was faking orgasms by making all those noise. She was trying to make me come. Everybody knows that. Can't you understand the irony ? Soulman went there. He knows that.

Why do you have to look for excuse to attack me? You are a stupid idiot for taking everything literally. You are very rude and offensive.Sure, Santa is rude. We all know that. But O(rgasming) W(hile) L(umping together) is the champ.

Soulman
01-19-08, 23:43
Why give someone hard time over having a good time filled with oohs and aahs? Like pornstars don't fake ALL the time and hey it gets us turned on, right? I went to HJ shop with Master Monger I met here last Oct near Seibu BBS and must say she was pretty darn good faking it when I played with her pussy (for extra fee) and she rode my finger. Got me excited and was fun.

So gents, let's not spoil other's fun. :)


She was faking orgasms by making all those noise. She was trying to make me come. Everybody knows that. Can't you understand the irony ? Soulman went there. He knows that.

Why do you have to look for excuse to attack me? You are a stupid idiot for taking everything literally. You are very rude and offensive.

OldAsiaHand
01-20-08, 03:16
OWL,

WTF! Moody, CPExpat and now Santa. What is your problem?

These guys are just calling you out on your bullshit which is misleading to readers of this forum. Most people read things literally. I took it the same way.

Santa was just being realistic. I am relatively certain that the vast majority of the SP in China do not have orgasms with customers. Some just pretend better than others.

I agree with other members here. If it turns you on, that's fine, but don't mislead members that all the P4P girls in China are GFE and have multiple orgasms. It just ain't true.

Just my POV.

OAH



She was faking orgasms by making all those noise. She was trying to make me come. Everybody knows that. Can't you understand the irony ? Soulman went there. He knows that.

Why do you have to look for excuse to attack me? You are a stupid idiot for taking everything literally. You are very rude and offensive.

Santa
01-20-08, 04:57
She was faking orgasms by making all those noise. She was trying to make me come. Everybody knows that. Can't you understand the irony ? Soulman went there. He knows that.

Why do you have to look for excuse to attack me? You are a stupid idiot for taking everything literally. You are very rude and offensive.

OK. I'll accept that you didn't intend for us to take it literally, and my apologies for being rude.

As for all this talk about the chinese girls being sexually more passionate and having more orgasms, I just don't believe.

Us guys on this forum are mostly fucking hookers. They are professionals. Their job is to satisfy the customers. Pretending to have orgasms is part of the service.

Last time I went to a sauna, the girl was pretending to have an orgasm while washing me in the shower. How stupid is that!?

One Wing Low
01-20-08, 09:14
OK. No hard feelings.

I tend to have understated humor which takes a little thinking to figure out.

As Soulman and I have exhanged info before, the handjob girls at Hubei Xin Cun was faking their orgasms so obviously that it was bordering on the ridiculous. I felt embarassed that she was showing her orgasms loudly without my participation. It was obvious that she was well trained to do her job. I tried to negotiate fucking her, but she declined. After a long hand job, I just quit.

As to whether the Seibu girls were faking their orgasms or not, you weren't there in my sessions. It would be ridiculous for you to claim to know what actually happened. My take is that if they were faking, they were faking better than most hookers and GF all over the world. If they did not give you their fake genuine (!) orgasms, perhaps you are not getting your money's worth.

My points also were that the KTV/Bar girls and freebies were expressing their joys of sex in much more demured and subdued ways, which are nothing less precious, just different, and I enjoyed them probably more than the BBS girls. While quieter, their hips were very active, which reminded me that actions are stronger than words...

A few of my friends told me they dont enjoy sex with BBS girls due to their quick spreading of their legs and their exaggerated expressions. The other extreme is the freebies who pretend they dont want and dont enjoy sex.

Pay or no pay, I enjoy girls who give me everything they have in bed without holding back. I got a lot of that in China, more so than all other countries.


OK. I'll accept that you didn't intend for us to take it literally, and my apologies for being rude.

As for all this talk about the chinese girls being sexually more passionate and having more orgasms, I just don't believe.

Us guys on this forum are mostly fucking hookers. They are professionals. Their job is to satisfy the customers. Pretending to have orgasms is part of the service.

Last time I went to a sauna, the girl was pretending to have an orgasm while washing me in the shower. How stupid is that!?

One Wing Low
01-20-08, 16:16
Hi ABC,

I am glad you still found some stunners in Seibu. The selections in Seibu BBS were always excellent to me. It looks like the girls live in those apartments above the BBS and continue to do business in more discreet ways. The freelancers outside the BBS were not good-looking enough for me to spend my time and money on.

Did you see the destructions to doors and interior of the BBS? Looks like SZ police was very frustrated and meant to put the BBS out of business the Chinese way.

You were braver than most to casually go into the dark and dingy stairwells to the girls' apartment. On my last day in SZ, I had a strong urge to find out what life is like for the BBS girls in those apartments, so I went in with Tian Tian, a very pretty girl. I did not know there was no light in the stairwell and it was very dark. I was afraid I would get mugged, so I took a 'tool' into my hand and prepared to defend myself. But nothing bad happened, as the BBS want to maintain peace and order in their alleys to promote their business.

It was dark in those apartments because I heard electricity is very expensive in China. One of the bros rents a luxury apartment for about 3000Y and pays around 500Y a month for electricity for very little use. Tian Tian's apartment was fairly neat and clean but damp and dark. She felt comfortable in her own place and gave me a very good session. There were no clothing but a couple pairs of large-sized flip flops in the room. So Tian Tian is likely living there with her boyfriend.

I got my ass out of the Seibu apartment around 1PM that Sunday. By 4PM the police was raiding and destroying the BBS storefronts as reported by a bro. I was lucky not getting caught with my pants down.

Damn. I really miss the Seibu girls.


After seeing my dentist (took train down from much more low key CP), I decided to walk the Seibu area around 1pm. Of course no shops were opened but got harrassed by 4 mommies and was offered to go into several apts to check out the girls (still some stunners). I guess as this was a sunday a few SWs milling about also on the outside. Should be absolutely no problem getting a girl out back to your hotel versus doing it there in their dingy rooms if they view you as a no hassle customer.

Old Mean Dog
01-21-08, 06:24
You were braver than most to casually go into the dark and dingy stairwells to the girls' apartment. I was afraid I would get mugged, so I took a 'tool' into my hand and prepared to defend myself. But nothing bad happened, as the BBS want to maintain peace and order in their alleys to promote their business.

It was dark in those apartments because I heard electricity is very expensive in China. One of the bros rents a luxury apartment for about 3000Y and pays around 500Y a month for electricity for very little use.

OWL,

I'm gonna try to be civilized with you.

Why must you say things like this and/or mislead people? By taking a "tool" I assume you mean a weapon. Do you know what happens if you stick one of the guys and don't drop all of them? They gonna beat you to a pulp and possibly stick you over and over with your "own" tool.

The "best" advice you should write is; Don't go into a situation you can't get out of. Kicking guys in the balls or shanking a fella just leads to your ass whooping if you don't put him/them out for the count. Talk (words) are cheap and guys who talk tough are usually the first ones to crumble or get hurt when the shit really hits the fan.

I don't think electricity is that expensive, if your buddy can rent an expensive luxury apartment, then I figure he can pay electricity. I lived in a luxury apartment in SZ, I ran one A/C 24/7 during the summer and my bill, with Mgt Fee and Property Upkeep, never topped 1,000 rmb a month.

Now you are talking about a low end prostitute of many, that maybe makes 2-4k a month, the apartments in that area go for 800-1200 a month for a single room (most share). When you add in her clothes, makeup, cigarettes, food, phone etc. it don't leave her that much so, she saves money by shutting off the A/C and keeping her place dark, damp and cool.

Also, your so called "ironic humor" I don't believe. You have bought into their bullshit, hands down. If that is your fantasy, then great. You are mongering and enjoying yourself and that is what counts the most, but when you tell guys it's the gospel, then some poor fool is gonna spend all his money to come to your so called "Garden of Eden" and be severely disappointed.

My guess is the raids in Seibu are due to the upcoming Spring Festival, Canton Fair and Olympics all fairly close to each other. For the 2 years I was in SZ, the raids always increased prior to the Spring Festival, but this time more eyes are on SZ due to the Olympics. Have you noticed how Luohu Commerical Center has big signs all in it saying the government has put an end to counterfeit goods? All the shops are dumping all their fake crap now.....

Anyway, good luck on your adventures and safe travels.

-CPE

Soulman
01-22-08, 02:33
OK Gents,

Let's be nice to each other and understand that we have different expectations and experiences with variety of girls in PRC. I do agree with much of what OWL wrote.

Most working girls don't get O and do good acting job faking it. Whatever it takes to make us come sooner so they're off to catch another john to make more RMB. It's all about money.

There are exceptions however. It's rare but there are times when girl really gets into it with multiple O. Not so pretty nymph I picked up last Fri near Seibu thru street tout mommy was rare exception. She enjoyed it, wanted more and more than few climax Os. She couldn't get enough. I've only experienced this is with "amateur" street take out girls and some freebie GFs. None from BBS and few times from KTV. That's why I prefer street take out action but otten it too ends up being get it over quick BBS actions.

Freebie GF brings its own baggage. I'd caution on freebie GF as there are some professional type whose sole intent is to get married outside PRC and will do anything to get you to marry them. Buddy of mine hooked up with girls from love dot com and one girl had a contract out to harm him. He did stupid things by leading her on which led to family meetings and her spending boatload of RMB on him. I went thru my rounds of freebies and enjoy their company when in PRC but not worth the trouble it brings not to mention being uncool to the girls. One thing is that girls are more apt to have more O if they felt like you loved them BS so this might explain GFE actions with GFs. :)

So let's sit back and enjoy.


OK. No hard feelings.

I tend to have understated humor which takes a little thinking to figure out.

As Soulman and I have exhanged info before, the handjob girls at Hubei Xin Cun was faking their orgasms so obviously that it was bordering on the ridiculous. I felt embarassed that she was showing her orgasms loudly without my participation. It was obvious that she was well trained to do her job. I tried to negotiate fucking her, but she declined. After a long hand job, I just quit.

As to whether the Seibu girls were faking their orgasms or not, you weren't there in my sessions. It would be ridiculous for you to claim to know what actually happened. My take is that if they were faking, they were faking better than most hookers and GF all over the world. If they did not give you their fake genuine (!) orgasms, perhaps you are not getting your money's worth.

My points also were that the KTV/Bar girls and freebies were expressing their joys of sex in much more demured and subdued ways, which are nothing less precious, just different, and I enjoyed them probably more than the BBS girls. While quieter, their hips were very active, which reminded me that actions are stronger than words...

A few of my friends told me they dont enjoy sex with BBS girls due to their quick spreading of their legs and their exaggerated expressions. The other extreme is the freebies who pretend they dont want and dont enjoy sex.

Pay or no pay, I enjoy girls who give me everything they have in bed without holding back. I got a lot of that in China, more so than all other countries.

One Wing Low
01-24-08, 17:08
Be very careful with what you bring back in your luggage.

All luggage coming from China are now automatically subjected to secondary inspection with X-ray machine and hand searches. Every time I passed through US Customs, there were large piles of designer hand bags slashed up for public display.

Smuggling illegal items is a federal crime, punishable by $10K per item, and possible prison term. I heard people given this fine for smuggling fruits, plants and meats, but not yet heard of prison terms.

People from Middle Eastern, and presumably Muslim, countries are subjected to even more rigorous searches. I have seen people held up for over 1 hour in Customs with all their little boxes and bags in their luggage cut open for search.

Joinem
01-24-08, 18:08
Be very careful with what you bring back in your luggage.

All luggage coming from China are now automatically subjected to secondary inspection with X-ray machine and hand searches. Every time I passed through US Customs, there were large piles of designer hand bags slashed up for public display.

Smuggling illegal items is a federal crime, punishable by $10K per item, and possible prison term. I heard people given this fine for smuggling fruits, plants and meats, but not yet heard of prison terms.

People from Middle Eastern, and presumably Muslim, countries are subjected to even more rigorous searches. I have seen people held up for over 1 hour in Customs with all their little boxes and bags in their luggage cut open for search.In Sichuan a couple of years ago I was given a box of perfectly ripe loquats, too many to eat there. Spent a lot of time on line trying to find US entry restrictions that might apply. Exchanged emails with family in the US who tried to find out from Customs by phone. No information available! Brought the box, about half full, through entry at JFK. Could not even find a "red" line to review the question and ask! Brought the box home and enjoyed it! LOL.

Furias
01-25-08, 15:09
Be very careful with what you bring back in your luggage.

All luggage coming from China are now automatically subjected to secondary inspection with X-ray machine and hand searches. Every time I passed through US Customs, there were large piles of designer hand bags slashed up for public display.

Smuggling illegal items is a federal crime, punishable by $10K per item, and possible prison term. I heard people given this fine for smuggling fruits, plants and meats, but not yet heard of prison terms.ThatíS the most ridiculous thing Iíve ever heard. In the last three years Iíve come through Chicago, LA, and SFO probably 30 times and Iíve never seen US Customs with a pile of counterfeit handbags. Hell, what else would people bring back from China? If you look at the regulations you are ALLOWED to bring back one counterfeit item (handbag, watch, etc.). The Customs people are not interested in us, theyíre interested in the people who are really trying to smuggle. A $25 LV handbag isnít going to get their attention. If it does it certainly isnít going to get you a hefty fine and you wonít go to jail.

Handbags, DVDs and Rolex watches for all your friends back in the States in your luggage? Well, you will certainly be in good company, as probably 80% of your fellow passengers are doing the same thing. Relax and have a good trip.

One Wing Low
01-26-08, 11:05
Why dont you try to provide proof that I lied?

People who are quick to call a lie are usually big liars themselves.


I second your observations. Flying through LAX or SFO too numerous to count times, I have never seen "piles" of anything. This, I suspect, is at best an exageration and at worst bravado and a lie. On the otherhand, too many reports of customs catching people with pirated DVDs, possibly true, I don't know firsthand.

Everyone can assess their own risk/benefit tolerance. Cheers.

Fran123
01-26-08, 11:39
Why dont you try to provide proof that I lied?

People who are quick to call a lie are usually big liars themselves.

The way I see it, you ONE WING LOW, have to prove it. From your past posts you have been busted by your exaggerations, and lies by many Senior Members. You lack credibility on this forum. People don't believe nor trust you. Anything you write now is skeptical.

Tiger 888
01-26-08, 14:59
Why dont you try to provide proof that I lied?

People who are quick to call a lie are usually big liars themselves.
(O)thers (W)hine (L)ess

One Wing Low
01-27-08, 01:31
You probably meant credibility, which you obviously have none, since you cannot even spell it.


You lack creditability on this forum. People don't believe nor trust you. Anything you write now is skeptical.

One Wing Low
02-23-08, 18:59
Hi Wizzy,

You are the French guy who could not wait to go to Seibu. I have been many times to BKK, Pattaya, Phukhet, Chang Mai, Hatyai etc... and Southern China is my favorite. The girls are prettier, easier access and they feel less mercenary...

I met many fine mongering bros on the road and had great times with them. A few of these guys really treat me like their own brother. Sadly some of the bros who have the most experience and the best information no longer read or post in ISG due to too many petty, stupid personal attacks, and the moderator is not enforcing forum policies. There are nasty, ignorant people in this world. I just have to avoid them.

Will be back soon in China, but I have relationships with a few prettiest and most loveable 'good' girls in China, with whom I have to spend some quality time. The mongering will be done very discreetly with a few local business people.

I enjoy your posts with European perpectives, so please post all your experiences in details. I will defend you if any stupid jerks attack you personally.

Have a good time and share your precious info.


Hi buddy!

Mongering in Thailand esp BKK and Pattaya is really boring these days!

AFter more than 5 years of grazing in that place I had a taste of SZ two months and found the place to be really fantastic!

Wizzy!

Psss OWL where are you now? Is it a result of the personal attacks you suffered at the hands of fellow mongers that you have discreetly vanished?

I badly miss your posts!

One Wing Low
03-17-08, 08:07
I got excellent services and companionship from girls from Beijing to Shenzhen just by negotiating upfront the local prevalent rates known in ISG.

The key is to treat the girls with the proper amount of respect, empathy and fun. Chinese girls are far less mercenary than girls in other Asian countries and would give you excellent sevices for the local rates.

It's a good idea to do what Romans do when you are in Rome, and to follow as much as possible their rates and their etiquettes.

OldAsiaHand
03-17-08, 11:54
OWL,

Such a short memory of your SZ KTV and ZH LHL girl?

OAH


I got excellent services and companionship from girls from Beijing to Shenzhen just by negotiating upfront the local prevalent rates known in ISG.

The key is to treat the girls with the proper amount of respect, empathy and fun. Chinese girls are far less mercenary than girls in other Asian countries and would give you excellent sevices for the local rates.

It's a good idea to do what Romans do when you are in Rome, and to follow as much as possible their rates and their etiquettes.

Weelock
03-18-08, 03:03
I got excellent services and companionship from girls from Beijing to Shenzhen just by negotiating upfront the local prevalent rates known in ISG.

The key is to treat the girls with the proper amount of respect, empathy and fun. Chinese girls are far less mercenary than girls in other Asian countries and would give you excellent sevices for the local rates.

It's a good idea to do what Romans do when you are in Rome, and to follow as much as possible their rates and their etiquettes.

Humm, overpaying, I remember you giving something like $2000 to $3000 for a tip to a girl you ONLY met once or twice. I remember you blaming other members if problems occur. Like paying $250 or $300 for ST in Zhuhai. Then getting sick, food poison. Oh What a Liar.


FYI Might be a problem in Shenzhen with a serial killing in HK. Four working girls killed now in HK. It's Jack The Ripper?

One Wing Low
04-29-08, 18:43
I have been looking for every chance to go.

This time I would probbaly book Cathay Pacific's All Asia Pass and spend a few days in Cebu, Philipines. I heard Cebu is where the ocean and the sexy girls meet in one nice place.

A little beach vacation while chasing the girls would be very nice.


Dammit! I realyl want togo back to SZ! Must make an excuse soon!

Sick boy 3
04-30-08, 15:31
I have been looking for every chance to go.

This time I would probbaly book Cathay Pacific's All Asia Pass and spend a few days in Cebu, Philipines. I heard Cebu is where the ocean and the sexy girls meet in one nice place.

A little beach vacation while chasing the girls would be very nice.Forget Cebu! The beaches suck and the scene for women not as good as it used to be. Go to Angeles. Find a babe there, then fly to Boracay for the beach. IMHO.

Steven Jones
04-30-08, 17:48
I have been looking for every chance to go.

This time I would probbaly book Cathay Pacific's All Asia Pass and spend a few days in Cebu, Philipines. I heard Cebu is where the ocean and the sexy girls meet in one nice place.

A little beach vacation while chasing the girls would be very nice.


sounds ideal . . now another excuse to go to Philippines!

One Wing Low
05-02-08, 09:08
I would hate to pay all the expenses to fly a girl to Borecay then find out she's terrible company. Even if she's a fantastic girl, I would not want to be stuck with the same girl for the whole week.

I'd rather go places that offer a lot of choices, so I can check out 2 or 3 girls a day.

It seems Cebu is most often mentioned as a nice place for beach vacations and mongering.


Forget Cebu! The beaches suck and the scene for women not as good as it used to be. Go to Angeles. Find a babe there, then fly to Boracay for the beach. IMHO.

SE Asia Joe
05-22-08, 10:47
like Master Monger, OWL, AG and the ones that are lurking out there that may have posted.

I actually go to Xiang Sai Cun about 5 days a week, have never paid to fuck anyone in Wan Chai and go to KTV 1-2 times a month.
I even do the same gal 3 times a week for 6 months.

Ooooooohhhh.... you're really done it now... you're really gonna get in deep doo doo NOW!!! You're pairing Master Monger, One Wing Low and Ace Gallant???!!!! Oooooohhh... hell hath no fury.....!!

And errrrrr..... do you ever sleep.....or work.....or even eat....??
You seem to be screwing just a tad bit excessively perhaps??
SEAJ

Bob Builder
05-22-08, 10:51
Ooooooohhhh.... you're really done it now... you're really gonna get in deep doo doo NOW!!! You're pairing Master Monger, One Wing Low and Ace Gallant???!!!! Oooooohhh... hell hath no fury.....!!

And errrrrr..... do you ever sleep.....or work.....or even eat....??
You seem to be screwing just a tad bit excessively perhaps??
SEAJ

I get paid too much for the little work I do do and unlike guys who think they can do it for hours, time yourself sometime, it only takes 15 - 30 minutes out of the day? If sex is supposed to mellow you out, what kind of angry feck could you imagine I would be if I didn't do it as much.

One Wing Low
05-22-08, 19:08
There are a few guys in this China forum who are not exactly gentlemen. What they post just show their poor upbringings, lack of education, and bad attitudes.

The way they post and respond to other posters, you can see there are not much in their lives except their dumb posts about commercial sex in China, which they seem to take great pride in.

These guys should not be allowed to bully, harass, abuse anyone in this forum. If I were the moderator, I would have shit canned all of them. Their hostile attitudes wouldnt scare me. I just would never want to know these guys personally. I would call them BSA, short for BIG STINKING ASSHOLES. I dont have much time to spend in this forum, so I just ignore their rude personal attacks.

Too bad some of the bros who know how to get the best sex and most loving relationships out of Chinese girls would not even bother to post in this forum because of all the harassing and abusing going on.

There are many fine bros living in or visiting China. I had great times sharing knowledge and enjoying comaradie with other bros on the road. Just avoid the guys showing bad attitudes in this forum or in real life.

Parsival
05-22-08, 19:20
BSA, short for BIG STINKING ASSHOLES. .Very good, one of the best posts!!

SE Asia Joe
05-23-08, 04:12
There are a few guys in this China forum who are not exactly gentlemen. What they post just show their poor upbringings, lack of education, and bad attitudes.

These guys should not be allowed to bully, harass, abuse anyone in this forum. If I were the moderator, I would have shit canned all of them.

Just avoid the guys showing bad attitudes in this forum or in real life.
Oh Come On OWL - just coz' you cain't stand CPE don't mean you got the right to come on with such bile. Question - what does it show about yourself?
Look-it - I've toned it down and hopefully (and perhaps??) even BB is gonna be doing the same. All this does nothing for the board.
SEAJ

Old Mean Dog
05-23-08, 05:43
Oh Come On OWL - just coz' you cain't stand CPE don't mean you got the right to come on with such bile. Question - what does it show about yourself?

Look-it - I've toned it down and hopefully (and perhaps??) even BB is gonna be doing the same. All this does nothing for the board.

SEAJHey Joe,

OWL's not talking about me, he's already forgave me:


Damn. CPsexpat does have good insights into the dating scene in China.

I take back any negative things I said about CPsexpat and would buy him drinks when I am in China, which will be soon. His insights in China are well worth anything that he may have said that pissed me off.

I hope the bros in this thread ignore personality-related issues and just focus on discussing the main issues of sex and relationship with girls.Since some of you fella's think I'm a cyberbully, I've decided to share my "Secret" locations of mongering, the prices and locations (based on landmarks) and hope you will forgive me and I won't say RTFF:

1. Seibu, Luohu District, behind the Seibu Department Store, 150-200 RMB, can do on site or take-out. Discussed ad nauseam

2. Pink Apts, Luohu District, behind Shangri-La Hotel, 150-200 RMB, can do on site or take-out. Discussed ad nauseam

3. Concubine Village, Luohu District, behind the Seafood Restaurant Street, 150-200 RMB, can do on site or take-out. Discussed ad nauseam

4. Shangri-La Area, Luohu District, all around the Shangri-La Hotel, 150-200 RMB, can do on site or take-out. Discussed ad nauseam

5. Heavens Gate (Can't remember the Chinese name), Futian District, Search old posts for map and photo of entrance, 150-200 RMB, can do on site or take-out. Used to be the best place, till a major raid shut down the entire area, but is making a small comback. Discussed ad nauseam

6. Upper and Lower Sandy Lip, Futian District, 150-200 RMB, can do on site or take-out. Not good, not great, just ok. Discussed ad nauseam

7. JUSCO Area, Futian District, behind the Futian JUSCO on Shennan Rd, 150-200 RMB, can do on site or take-out. Area died and dried up a long time ago, some of the seedy massage joints there still offer FS. Discussed ad nauseam

8. Chicken Bars, Nanshan Area (Shekou), near the Terrance Nightclub, This area is gone now.

9. Vast amount of streetwalkers/pimps/mommies/touts, Luohu area, any hotel that has HK or foreign business men staying. Normally a bit higher than the going rate for unsuspecting horny foreign travelers. Walk outside your hotel and stand around for a few minutes...

10. 1000's of KTV's and Saunas, all over SZ. Various price structures.

There you have it, CPExpats "Secret" list of places to find hookers! Sorry, I'm not a pimp so I can't call girls to your room, nor am I tight with any English speaking *****s.

I personally don't keep all the calling cards I'm handed, because they change their mobile # faster than one changes their underwear.

Maybe some other bros, who feel they have been too hard on the fellas here can divulge the phone #'s of their fine ass, sexy, (maybe even English speaking) honeys to the masses.

I am sure there are some other shops, all over SZ, but most are not really worth spending the time and money to go to.

There's a Chinese language section here, for those who need some words.

I've seen the light!

-CPE

BTW: Joe, I knew BB from another forum called GeoExpat, he was a troll there and not well liked. It's in his nature to hide behind his screen name and talk shit. BB, I didn't like you the first time we met...remember?

Fran123
05-23-08, 07:47
There are a few guys in this China forum who are not exactly gentlemen. What they post just show their poor upbringings, lack of education, and bad attitudes.

The way they post and respond to other posters, you can see there are not much in their lives except their dumb posts about commercial sex in China, which they seem to take great pride in.

These guys should not be allowed to bully, harass, abuse anyone in this forum. If I were the moderator, I would have shit canned all of them. Their hostile attitudes wouldnt scare me. I just would never want to know these guys personally. I would call them BSA, short for BIG STINKING ASSHOLES. I dont have much time to spend in this forum, so I just ignore their rude personal attacks.

Too bad some of the bros who know how to get the best sex and most loving relationships out of Chinese girls would not even bother to post in this forum because of all the harassing and abusing going on.

There are many fine bros living in or visiting China. I had great times sharing knowledge and enjoying comaradie with other bros on the road. Just avoid the guys showing bad attitudes in this forum or in real life.

Name some of the fine bros sharing knowedge and comaradie with you? If there are some, they must be a "blanket party" for you. I know a few members showed you around in the beginning. Then you bad mouth them. Next the disagreement on opinions on the board and you bragging and lying. Now they want to disassociate with you and you are upset about it.


I remember a very respectable member calling you out for just one person to back you up and nobody came forwarded. I don't want to rehash this subject again but you, OWL bring it back from time to time.

One Wing Low
10-11-09, 00:00
I am considering adding China to my Asia tour, but hesitant due to the raids that seem to happen everywhere recently.

Anybody heard of prostitution stings in china?

What are the probability of laowais getting arrested for seeking prostitutes?

What would happen to laowais if they are arrested for prostitution?

Thanks for the info. Cheers.

Weelock
10-11-09, 11:44
I am considering adding China to my Asia tour, but hesitant due to the raids that seem to happen everywhere recently..Anybody heard of prostitution stings in china?

YES, from "Bob Builder" there was a undercover lady posing as a mamasan, in Seibu in Shenzhen this year. They arrested Johns a few years ago in Shenzhen. They were parading the Johns and girls and it made national news.

There were a few stings in Beijing and Shanghai. You have to worry more on scams than stings by LE in China.

What are the probability of laowais getting arrested for seeking prostitutes?

Very low, during most parts of the year. Extremely high just before Chinese News Year, major events and holidays.

What would happen to laowais if they are arrested for prostitution?

Possible put in jail for 6 months and a large fine. Then something stamped on your passport and you name put on a world wide database as a sex offender but this is the extreme. It's more likely you will be deported with a stamp on your passport with NO jail time. There is a strong possibility you cannot return back to China. There were a few examples during the Olympics and for the 60th Anniversary.

You need to read and follow the China Thread.

One Wing Low
12-19-09, 00:41
What's the name of this tepanzaki place?

There are a lot of hot pot restaurants in this area with people sitting all night at tables on sidewalk and hookers hanging out nearby eating, drinking.


If you are Chinese, speak Chinese and are young, you have it made. You don't need to be here asking for help.
Take a mate or two to the basement in Seibu for all you can eat-n-drink Teppanyaki (or Brazilian) for 150 each. Forget the squid and octupus, focus on the beef, it's very good and don't get drunk.

Sleeping with lesbians is like sleeping with boys. Both parties are disgusted with each other.


Hop in a taxi and tell him to take you to a lesbian bar, there are several in Shenzhen.
There are all kinds at these places. But there are tons of them and you are likely to meet the ones you fancy.

OldAsiaHand
12-19-09, 06:00
I am Chinese but I have beening living in the states for the past 16 years and now I am here up to some actions here in Shen Zhen. Is there a newbie guide ? What is KTV? Where I can get some young and fresh hottie?

I can speak Cantonese & Mandrain. Please also give me the price range?

Thanks. I live in H.K. by the way.

Maha Siddha,

Thank you very much for reading our posts. We are always pleased to see that our contributions are appreciated.

I think what Lustforthrust is trying to tell you is RTFF.

Just my POV.

OAH

P.S. Lustforthrust, Absolutely priceless! Did poor Peter Pan 2009 not get it?

Bob Builder
12-19-09, 06:22
What's the name of this tepanzaki place?

There are a lot of hot pot restaurants in this area with people sitting all night at tables on sidewalk and hookers hanging out nearby eating, drinking.

Sleeping with lesbians is like sleeping with boys. Both parties are disgusted with each other.Lust is talking about the Seibu department store in Futian not the little place across from the Panglin hotel in Lo Wu.

Fast Eddie 48
12-19-09, 06:24
What's the name of this tepanzaki place?

There are a lot of hot pot restaurants in this area with people sitting all night at tables on sidewalk and hookers hanging out nearby eating, drinking.

Sleeping with lesbians is like sleeping with boys. Both parties are disgusted with each other.Peter pan,

The 2 resturant lust is talking about is at Citic center on the under ground of Jusco, there are 7 resturant I try the Brazilan BBQ buffet it was very low quality, I didn't try the tepan place if you want good Brazilan BBQ try the one at the new Coastal Mall.

Fast Eddie 48

One Wing Low
12-21-09, 01:18
Was treated to a night of debaucheries with 6 other business associates at a KTV in Luohu. The KTV name will be not be disclosed here to protect the security of the place. The host knows the owner of the place, so heís supposed to get good deals. When invited, we understood it's customary that the host will pay for the room and all the food and drinks. We would pay the girls for their sitting fees and give tips if we see fit.

2 of the guys brought their own GFís. 5 line ups were brought in, a good mix of the tall, fair-skinned Northern girls and the petite Chiuzhou cuties with their round faces. The rest of us picked half a dozen of the prettiest and youngest in the line ups. The DJ was a tall, lanky and very sexy girl. The host had arranged for an English-speaking girl for me. She turned out to be probably the youngest and prettiest one in the group.

The host ordered a couple bottles of expensive cognacs. The girls took turn ordering some exotic, good-tasting food and snacks. One of the snacks was Hunan's sweet and spicy snake jerky.

The owner, manager and the mamasan did come in to greet us and had a few drinks just to be sociable. The girls had good manners. They were pouring us drinks and serving us food all night while trying to entertain us. I never felt they were trying to inflate the bill at any time.

We were drinking, singing, dancing, playing silly games all night until 2AM. I was kissing and groping my girl as we drank. The girls were flirting with all the guys. I was squeezing boobies and rubbing pussies of every girl left and right, which made her jealous. She was afraid I would not take her for the night.

The girls took turn taking their clothes off in their fairly clumsy strip tease routines. They were going around rubbing their pussies into guys' faces. They probbaly were trying to line up a take out for the night. I have never been able to find any Chinese stripper who knows how to show off their bodies in seductive ways as we normally see in the West.

A few of the girls did get pretty wet and sloppy in their panties. I had the urge to get down on my knees and eat a girl out on the spot and have her suck me, but too bad the lights in the room could not be dimmed, and the Chinese still seemed to be very reserved when it comes to sex.

As the KTV girls got bolder in their antics, the GF's got shy. They were hiding their faces behind their hands, giggling nervously. The presence of the GF's did put a damper on the fun. Next time I would discourage any guest to bring the GF's.

At the end, the host paid a big bill for the room, food and drinks. We each gave our own girls their sitting fees and tips, also tips for the DJ. But the host would still give each girl 200 Rmb tip, then tips for the manager and the mamasan...just to show he's a generous big boss. The girls made out like bandits. This is the typical Chinese face.

I took the young girl back to the hotel. She was a student, doing KTV on calls. I was so horny, I could not wait to stick my dick into her tight, young pussy. Her body was young and unblemished, but was a typical flat, slender, undernourished Asian build, not as curvy, healthy and sexy as I have seen in other parts of the world.

She was young and horny, actually demanded sex a few times during the night. But she was way too inexperienced in sex. She was just laying there with her eyes closed, not doing or showing much. It got pretty boring. Iíve had a few Chinese girls in the mid 20ís who were just ecstatic during sex, showing all the love and passion they had, which makes it a lot more enjoyable. This girl can speak fair English, so I was able to learn quite a bit about her life in SZ.

I would come back to take out girls for the night, but not for the KTV which can be long and boring, even with the strip show. This is a reliable place where you can always find a good selection of fairly good-looking girls who would do everything you want.

One Wing Low
12-21-09, 01:28
I dont think he was kidding with all the detailed instructions he was giving out.

I dont know this guy, Lustforthrust. But this forum has a few guys who would give out false information to newbies. There are also guys who would biitch and bicker forever... Weird.


I think he may have just been pulling someones plonker for free this time instead of saying RTFF There is some massage places near the big Seibu and BBS action in the areas side alleys if you go east from there almost behind book city never tried them