German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[All For Bb]

I never be in Partytreff club. Worth a try? How about in Summer (July / August) compared FKK withPartytreff?

Mr. Ho (and me) love, young, good looking slim girls. Not in Partytreff can find I guess, so better stick with FKK in summer? Please advise.

[PussyLiccker]

I never be in Partytreff club. Worth a try? How about in Summer (July / August) compared FKK withPartytreff?

Mr. Ho (and me) love, young, good looking slim girls. Not in Partytreff can find I guess, so better stick with FKK in summer? Please advise.Possibility that there could be girls that to your liking. Flat rate, discount types probably has low chances of meeting higher level optics of mainstream, but this is just a guess (check out the partytreff section, and ask around). There is also dependency on your tolerance of optics level. Personally never delved into that area, but if you have days, it's an area to try, and scratch off from future visits if it's not up to par. I do this at times to see if I'm missing out on some gems at some club, and it's also good to find out if it's worth additional visits or not.

I have not expanded out much from the mainstream as I have limited myself at a certain point. If you read around the reports, with number of reports(lots of tourist newbie reports here), you have some idea of where the young girls might be. Here, some punters may have a higher age cap in terms of looks wise, but that's not a complete indicator of the club being consisting of older types. Ro around so plenty of young types in lots of young girls all around. Some clubs are higher in numbers than others. Best way is to check out the clubs yourself, and see if you find the types to your interest.

People are going to have their fav clubs for reason that their fav is there so there are enough bias in what clubs people favor here so try them out yourself. I for some reason end up picking young girls. Not intentionally targeting young girls, but based on who looks attractive to me at clubs, and majority of my sampling turns out to be in the young range. Good performance is important, yes, but some people have to have a level of optics to get turned on in the first place. Some girls with optics could kill the session too by horrible service. Some girls have a bit of charm to suck you in. I find a bit of charm helps as it's not just go in and fuck attitude makes the package whole.

[CDNTraveler]

So I am traveling to Germany and I want to checkout these FKK clubs.

But I wanted to ask a couple question.

I see their are pools, jacuzzi's and saunas. I love swimming, I love jacuzzi's and saunas. I wouldn't say I have a water fetish but I really like the look of girls with wet hair and if these clubs offer pools. What more could I want other then a drop dead gorgeous women join me.

Do these girls join you for a swim in the pool? A little french kissing in the jacuzzi or just joining you in the sauna?

Because I would love to go for a skinny dip in the pool and then move on to the bedroom?

Are the outdoor pools heated? What's the weather like in mid September?

So many questions.

[Guy93]

I wonder how I got Senior member status so early, but I'm very happy about that.

I really appreciate that guys.


Free entry at GT for birthday.Got to keep this in mind but unfortunately my birthday is when there is winter.

[Wry Cooter]

Since a lof of these establishments are out in the countryside I was wondering if anyone ever got a little recreation for their legs and biked out to a saunaclub or FKK? I mean they've got showers and it also seems like a great alibi if in case you needed to give the wife a reason for going out to BFE. Anyone ever done this or seen it done? I suppose the only logistical question is if locking your bike up in front or back is safe.

[Hessen Bub]

Never done it. But I've seen guys doing this. As you said, some clubs are out in the countryside, they have showers and refreshments and some nice pussy.

I guess locking your bike up right in front of Oase's or World's entrance is probably one of the safest places in Germany.

A lot of guys are also doing motorcycle tours from club to club in the summer.

HB.

[Haitek]

I wonder how I got Senior member status so early, but I'm very happy about that.

I really appreciate that guys.

Got to keep this in mind but unfortunately my birthday is when there is winter.Also LR, PHG, PSR, free entry on your birthday.

[Optimist]

Wry, long time no see. Nice to hear from you ((I used to be called Shiatsu)

I have arrived at FKK in running gear and sweaty, and they didn't blink an eyelid.

[Wry Cooter]

Ah nice to reconnect with you. Still frequenting the clubs? I remember those days of visiting FKK's quite fondly: was only able to go to Atlantis once, but it was great. Never and still haven't made it out to Bernd's yet.

I suppose I ask because I'm a little worried about bike theft, but I suppose that's a silly thing to be worried about when visiting a place like Oase, Villa Vertigo or Goldentime. Perhaps it might be more of a concern at Palace for example.


Wry, long time no see. Nice to hear from you ((I used to be called Shiatsu)

I have arrived at FKK in running gear and sweaty, and they didn't blink an eyelid.

[Banana Boi]

Wry, have fun next week. Didn't know you knew Optimist too. We really need to all get together.

[UltraHappy]

This article suggests that alcohol-based mouthwash is bad for you and further, causes drying of the mouth which can contribute to bad breath:

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=1213420

This article even suggests that alcohol-based mouthwash will increase your risk of oral cancer and that some types of mouthwash with Chlorohexidine will stain your teeth:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1375886/How-mouthwash-bad-breath--AND-stain-teeth.html

This article cited directly above contains viewpoints on both sides of debate, leaving the reader with no clear recommendation one way or the other.

This next article is not helpful itself, but does include lots of interesting articles linked to in the comment section:

http://co-op.kinja.com/five-best-mouthwashes-1708786763

After reading all of this, I'm feeling inclined to switch to a non-alcohol based mouthwash (making sure that it doesn't have any of that Chlorohexidine stuff in it).

[Optimist]

Ultrahappy, I'm with you on this. Chlorohexidone not only stains teeth but if used everyday will kill off good bacteria. I am reluctant to put in more chemicals than I need to.

Being clean can lead to other outcomes also. One cause of the fish smelling pussy is not lack of hygiene, but instead the heavy use of cleansing wipes, destroying the natural bacterial balance.

And penile thrush is exacerbated by overuse of cleansers.

Nothing in life is simple.

[Capt Dan]

Do these girls join you for a swim in the pool? A little french kissing in the jacuzzi or just joining you in the sauna?

Because I would love to go for a skinny dip in the pool and then move on to the bedroom?

Are the outdoor pools heated? What's the weather like in mid September?As a rule of thumb the girls will join you in the Jacuzzi if you pay them.

However, that said, most girls do not want to ruin their makeup and hairstyle and so generally speaking, the ladies will avoid water and prolonged use of the sauna unless it is worth their while.

Off the top of my head, I cannot think of any clubs with outdoor heated pools although generally speaking, most of the indoor pools are heated.

September weather in Germany is usually mild and pleasant. It can even be nice and sunny but this cannot be guaranteed particularly if the weather pattern is prevailing from the West / North-West.

[McAdonis]

These show how much of a difference make-up can make. Just fast forward to the end of both videos and you can see that one-half of the face is natural, other half has make-up applied:

http://firstblush.collectivepress.com/woman-demonstrates-the-power-of-makeup/?s=hairaddiction

http://www.refinery29.com/2015/05/88344/girl-removes-face-on-youtube-makeup-video

[Faceless78]

I'm going to take a try of escort agency Femme Fatale in frankfurt next week or so, does anyone have experience or comments?

[Wry Cooter]

Thanks, BB. I will try.

Yes a gathering of hobbying mongers sometime could be fun.

I think I will start a company organizing "bike camping tours" of brothels. You bike, you camp (to save money), you brothel (a direct beneficiary of saved money). Then repeat. I think a lot of them can be reached if one were to cycle along the Rhine river (google Euro Velo route 15). A month of hobbying in europe, all under the auspices of bike camping. I think I just figured out my plans for summer 2016. Haha.


Wry, have fun next week. Didn't know you knew Optimist too. We really need to all get together.

[The Cane]

These show how much of a difference make-up can make. Just fast forward to the end of both videos and you can see that one-half of the face is natural, other half has make-up applied:

http://firstblush.collectivepress.com/woman-demonstrates-the-power-of-makeup/?s=hairaddiction

http://www.refinery29.com/2015/05/88344/girl-removes-face-on-youtube-makeup-videoOh yeah check these out! Could be some of your favorite porno stars or even favorite FKK tutes you all been yanking off to hahaha!

http://funnie.st/309/p0rnstars-without-makeup/

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/33-startling-photos-of-pornstars-with-and-without-their-make

It's all just an illusion LOL!

[Trans Atlantic]

Thanks, BB. I will try.

Yes a gathering of hobbying mongers sometime could be fun.

I think I will start a company organizing "bike camping tours" of brothels. You bike, you camp (to save money), you brothel (a direct beneficiary of saved money). Then repeat. I think a lot of them can be reached if one were to cycle along the Rhine river (google Euro Velo route 15). A month of hobbying in europe, all under the auspices of bike camping. I think I just figured out my plans for summer 2016. Haha.I'll just drive ahead and try out all the ladies while you guys bike over. LOL.

[Optimist]

Wry, brilliant idea but I think my bike my legs would stop pedalling once I got more than 200 metres away from my favourite girl.

Btw, any reports coming on your current trip to help pass the days till my next visit?

Cheers

[Member #4460]

I usually rent a car, sleep at some of the fine Rest Areas that Germany has, eat breakfast at McDonald's (or other places that have early morning eats), spend time at the places, and then I have dinner at another restaurant (if the places have bad or no food).

As for biking, I don't want any leg cramps while in a session because it hurts like a bastard and then I would have to make her do all of the work!

[PacificRim]

As for biking, I don't want any leg cramps while in a session because it hurts like a bastard and then I would have to make her do all of the work!Leg cramps may be the least of your worries. http://www.webmd.com/men/features/biking-and-erectile-dysfunction-a-real-risk.

[Sirioja]

Thanks, BB. I will try.

Yes a gathering of hobbying mongers sometime could be fun.

I think I will start a company organizing "bike camping tours" of brothels. You bike, you camp (to save money), you brothel (a direct beneficiary of saved money). Then repeat. I think a lot of them can be reached if one were to cycle along the Rhine river (google Euro Velo route 15). A month of hobbying in europe, all under the auspices of bike camping. I think I just figured out my plans for summer 2016. Haha.Tour de France became boring, you should organize bike tour between FKK from Hamburg to Freiburg or even Zurich with free full massage and more in room for the night for the winner, then can maybe bike faster than Bradley Wiggins.

[Banana Boi]

I don't want any leg cramps while in a session because it hurts like a bastard and then I would have to make her do all of the work!I've had 2 leg cramps during sessions. Once was with Simona at World and I don't think she believed I had a leg cramp. The other was with Energizer Bunny Ella at Sixsens. I freaked her out she thought I was going to die. Lmao.

Wry, TA and I will meet you at the club.

[Faceless78]

I've had 2 leg cramps during sessions. Once was with Simona at World and I don't think she believed I had a leg cramp. The other was with Energizer Bunny Ella at Sixsens. I freaked her out she thought I was going to die. Lmao.

Wry, TA and I will meet you at the club.I had once two years ago in magnum, it came so strong I fell down from the girl while dogging, and broke one finger, which was the really sad part.

[Nille Copenhagen]

I had once two years ago in magnum, it came so strong I fell down from the girl while dogging, and broke one finger, which was the really sad part.Last time I hurt my knee at Samya on the first day my FKK tour, it was bad as couldn't do proper doggy for a few days LOL.

I need to wear some protecting gear next time. LOL.

[Exodus8]

Last time I hurt my knee at Samya on the first day my FKK tour, it was bad as couldn't do proper doggy for a few days LOL.

I need to wear some protecting gear next time. LOL.Time to buy an astronaut suit for protection, LOL.

[Japansh]

Hey,

Does anyone knows what kind of tests are used at the AO parties and if they are reliable?

Are these tests available in the pharmacies?

Thanks in advance.

[Samplerr]

Hey, Does anyone knows what kind of tests are used at the AO parties and if they are reliable?
The German AO forum is here http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?774-Germany-AO-Clubs.

And the general safe sex stuff is here http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?268-Safe-Sex.

[SwingerLover]

Does anyone knows what kind of tests are used at the AO parties and if they are reliable?

Are these tests available in the pharmacies?They use HIV-quick-tests and sometimes tests for syph as well, those tests went through a medical certification process just like any medication did, therefore they should be reliable. If they should be available in pharmacies at all, then they are usually not available for the common man (or woman).

Anything further on this matter should indeed be discussed in the AO clubs forum.

[Mr Ho]

Is it possible to walk to FKK sharks from Darmstadt Nord station?

I checked it out on google map and it seems it is possible to get to FKK sharks in 7 minutes walk or not even from Darmstadt nord station.

[FiddyCent]

Is it possible to walk to FKK sharks from Darmstadt Nord station?

I checked it out on google map and it seems it is possible to get to FKK sharks in 7 minutes walk or not even from Darmstadt nord station.Yes, Mr. Ho.

It is definitely possible to get to FKK Sharks by walking from Darmstadt Nord Station. I believe the walk takes about 12 minutes, factoring the traffic lights.

FiddyCent.

[Nille Copenhagen]

Is it possible to walk to FKK sharks from Darmstadt Nord station?

I checked it out on google map and it seems it is possible to get to FKK sharks in 7 minutes walk or not even from Darmstadt nord station.I took the bus it took 8 minutes, so walking would be possible, but not within 7 minutes, there are sidewalks all the way.

[Nille Copenhagen]

Since I know quite many RO girls thru many years of FKK visit, I decided to to go Romania this Summer to know better about Romania. I'll take the trip as a normal holiday to see the country, culture and how people live, taste the food and wine, if I met girls on my trip, that would be nice but it's not the main goal, any tip and advice regarding Romania are welcome. I'll be landing in Bucharest and then from there see part of the country by train or bus.

Cheers

[Ableyone]

The bus journey from Darmstadt Nord to Daimlerweg (for Sharks) should be around three minutes.

[XXL]

Hey,

Does anyone knows what kind of tests are used at the AO parties and if they are reliable?

They use a guts test. You fuck the girls AO if you have the guts, and if you die in a car or plane crash 10 years later it means the test was negative.

[Faceless78]

Since I know quite many RO girls thru many years of FKK visit, I decided to to go Romania this Summer to know better about Romania. I'll take the trip as a normal holiday to see the country, culture and how people live, taste the food and wine, if I met girls on my trip, that would be nice but it's not the main goal, any tip and advice regarding Romania are welcome. I'll be landing in Bucharest and then from there see part of the country by train or bus.

CheersHah you should do this years ago. I did this trip last year, also started in Bucharest, and I did meet girls there. Summer should be the better time to visit the seaside like Constanta, I was there in Winter, so I went to Brasov. I don't know your taste for food, but they have lots of meat, I personally enjoy the soup much, usually I order 2 per meal. Travel expense will be quite low, a 3 star hotel is around 30-50 euros per day, 4 stars little more, didn't hit the 5 stars one, I stayed in a hotel inside of the national park at the north of capital; full diner around 20-30 lei; taxi charge you tips without reminding you; euro should be the official currency now but I didn't spend any euros during my stay; you can change romanian lei at the airport after landing, rate is fair; bucaresti is big, the certer CBD has no differences with other big cities in europe, all the fancy brands, wide road high building, but beside that, it's like what you may imagine, overall it's good, for a capital it's really quite, so I enjoyed walking around; train would be better than bus.

I didn't see many stunners on the street, maybe for the cold weather, or they are all in Germany. But many told me during the summer, constanta will be full of young sexy girls. So if you go there, good hunting LOL.

If you have further questions, I can try to recall more details.

[Nille Copenhagen]

I didn't see many stunners on the street, maybe for the cold weather, or they are all in Germany. But many told me during the summer, constanta will be full of young sexy girls. So if you go there, good hunting LOL.

If you have further questions, I can try to recall more details.Thanks, my plan is to stay in Constanta for a week, partying and lying on the beach.

Let's see how much game I have I'll wear a T-shirt with the words: "FKK Rulez!" LOL.

[Faceless78]

Thanks, my plan is to stay in Constanta for a week, partying and lying on the beach.

Let's see how much game I have I'll wear a T-shirt with the words: "FKK Rulez!" LOL.Probably local men will throw you into the sea and let you play game with sharks LOL.

[Nille Copenhagen]

Probably local men will throw you into the sea and let you play game with sharks LOL.I'll get a FKK Sharks T-shirt LOL. Don't worry I got some local contacts in Constanta.

[Exodus8]

Let's see how much game I have I'll wear a T-shirt with the words: "FKK Rulez!" LOL.Yay you go around the beach and ask girls "you and me go to zimmer 30 min for 50 e" haha.

[Mr Ho]

Thanks, my plan is to stay in Constanta for a week, partying and lying on the beach.

Let's see how much game I have I'll wear a T-shirt with the words: "FKK Rulez!" LOL.Imagine bumping into a Romanian girl you did before in FKK with her beloved husband LOL.

I virtually meet these guys on girls facebook page, it is strange feeling to see these girls in love with their men who a lot of them seems very normal decent young guys, some of these guys even look so innocent. I mean I did expect more muscle type with tattoo guys to be their hubby, but most of times, these guys are so young and looks innocent. I mean if I just look at those picture, I would never imagine this girl worked in FKK doing all sort of things in there, in some part by me LOL.

[Faceless78]

Imagine bumping into a Romanian girl you did before in FKK with her beloved husband LOL.

I virtually meet these guys on girls facebook page, it is strange feeling to see these girls in love with their men who a lot of them seems very normal decent young guys, some of these guys even look so innocent. I mean I did expect more muscle type with tattoo guys to be their hubby, but most of times, these guys are so young and looks innocent. I mean if I just look at those picture, I would never imagine this girl worked in FKK doing all sort of things in there, in some part by me LOL.She will just ignore him, don't expect a warm hug / kiss and "ce mai faci" as in clubs LOL.

Actually it's not so difficult to understand. If WG has a normal BF, not the fish type that take all of her money, it's usually the honest and innocent type, who believe in love, who trust his girl will come back to him after making enough money and live happily together. It does feel strange when I see their sweet selfies and words, and I try to avoid those topics with them. What's more, the feeling grows stronger when I see the pics of girl and her kid, that's just kind of wired for me.

[Nille Copenhagen]

Imagine bumping into a Romanian girl you did before in FKK with her beloved husband LOL.

I virtually meet these guys on girls facebook page, it is strange feeling to see these girls in love with their men who a lot of them seems very normal decent young guys, some of these guys even look so innocent. I mean I did expect more muscle type with tattoo guys to be their hubby, but most of times, these guys are so young and looks innocent. I mean if I just look at those picture, I would never imagine this girl worked in FKK doing all sort of things in there, in some part by me LOL.Well look at the other side, your wife or GF trusts you are innocent, yet you go to Clubs and fuck many girls. The girls work for Money for various reason, but they also have a private life, sometimes it best not to know too much about their private life. The are many girls in Constanta, so the chance for meeting a FKK girls is slim but you never know, I can keep her secret if she doesn't want me to bother her.

[Mr Ho]

She will just ignore him, don't expect a warm hug / kiss and "ce mai faci" as in clubs LOL.

Actually it's not so difficult to understand. If WG has a normal BF, not the fish type that take all of her money, it's usually the honest and innocent type, who believe in love, who trust his girl will come back to him after making enough money and live happily together. It does feel strange when I see their sweet selfies and words, and I try to avoid those topics with them. What's more, the feeling grows stronger when I see the pics of girl and her kid, that's just kind of wired for me.Yeah, I imagined boyfriend would be abusive type or gigolo type, but these guys mostly looks young innocent decent personality guys.

Anyways, it is just that, it is strange to see them in private life. They trust me to connect me into her private fb account, so of course I stay humble.

I chat about if family know about their FKK work, they say they work in restaurant / bar, which is kind of true. FKK do have bars and restaurant of some kind.

[Mr Ho]

Well look at the other side, your wife or GF trusts you are innocent, yet you go to Clubs and fuck many girls. The girls work for Money for various reason, but they also have a private life, sometimes it best not to know too much about their private life. The are many girls in Constanta, so the chance for meeting a FKK girls is slim but you never know, I can keep her secret if she doesn't want me to bother her.Yeah World is small, but I doubt you bump into them either.

Sadness and beauty of FKK, you meet girl there and you spend so much sessions, some real hot sessions with her, then there comes a day she leave the industry and never see her again, gone as the wind, it is sad but beauty of it.

Sometimes, I sit back in Artemis in sofa and I see shadows of girls I used to frequent who left the industry. It is nice melancholy feeling.

[Mr Ho]

In your opinion, which FKK has best food and why for Frankfurt area? For Palace, Oase and Sharks.

I hear so much bad staff about food at Oase. I mean how bad it can be?

For sharks and Palace I read some quite good review, what is you guys opinion on quality of food.

If it is so bad, I maybe should bring quality Japanese cup noodles LOL.

[Banana Boi]

You have been on here long enough to notice that guys, myself included, just like to complain. The food is not that bad at any major FKK. Certainly not restaurant quality at 90% of the FKK's but definitely better than instant Ramen noodles.

[Abox79]

In your opinion, which FKK has best food and why for Frankfurt area? For Palace, Oase and Sharks.

I hear so much bad staff about food at Oase. I mean how bad it can be?

For sharks and Palace I read some quite good review, what is you guys opinion on quality of food.

If it is so bad, I maybe should bring quality Japanese cup noodles LOL.Who goes for the food? I go to see pretty girls, lots of them. The food is passable at most places, certainly enough to nourish you enough to keep you going. It's not A la 'carte but who gives a damn. Not me. I do wish they wouldn't keep serving rice meals though.

[TankTank123]

For sharks and Palace I read some quite good review, what is you guys opinion on quality of food.
If it is so bad, I maybe should bring quality Japanese cup noodles LOL.Food at Sharks is normally good, with a variety of dishes and desserts. The now have a Chinese cook, so you can get tasty fried noodles and very crispy fried chicken with batter coating.

[Faceless78]

In your opinion, which FKK has best food and why for Frankfurt area? For Palace, Oase and Sharks.

I hear so much bad staff about food at Oase. I mean how bad it can be?

For sharks and Palace I read some quite good review, what is you guys opinion on quality of food.

If it is so bad, I maybe should bring quality Japanese cup noodles LOL.Food in sharks is good, chinese dish is not bad, I can save some money for diner; yet for Oase, I usually eat in the city then travel to club, and won't eat too much: just enough to stay alive.

But my last visit to oase, the food quality was somehow improved by little, but I still shared a pizza with girls.

[Mr Ho]

Who goes for the food? I go to see pretty girls, lots of them. The food is passable at most places, certainly enough to nourish you enough to keep you going. It's not A la 'carte but who gives a damn. Not me. I do wish they wouldn't keep serving rice meals though.First of all, thanks to all you guys reply.

I do not go there for food, like for Artemis, I goes to Charlottenberg to eat dinner there and come back to Artemis because access is easier and all this can be done in one hour by simple nice walk and train that I do not buy ticket for.

However, for clubs that are far out and require me to take taxi ride to near town, I eat dinner at the club, so I care about food So I do not go there for food, but for clubs that are far out, I have to eat there, that is why I asked. Do I explain myself enough and make sense now?

Hmmm Oase sound bad by everyone. I might try to find nice meal package at good department store or buy few good sandwiches to bring with me to Oase. Or I might find nice Japanese joint to make me some good Japanese bento to bring with me when I go to Oase.

Like they say, before the good battles, good foods are necessity.

[Nille Copenhagen]

First of all, thanks to all you guys reply.

Hmmm Oase sound bad by everyone. I might try to find nice meal package at good department store or buy few good sandwiches to bring with me to Oase. Or I might find nice Japanese joint to make me some good Japanese bento to bring with me when I go to Oase.

Like they say, before the good battles, good foods are necessity.Oase has improved the food.

If you don't like the food bring your own or order take away. I don't need food as I eat pussies LOL.

[HeyyyyyyPaul]

It doesn't affect FKK because we got to use condom in FKK.

However, CIM can be alarming. With little cut in the mouth and infected semen. It can be dangerous.

As for other STD, I never heard any std infections in FKK. Also it is very hard to get hardcore std like HIV even you have unprotected sex with infected women.

However, I do not really see African mongers in FKK though. They don't like to monger or something?Speaking of condoms. Where are the best deals for Sagami ones? Which of the Japanese alternatives are as good?

Thanks

[Faceless78]

Oase has improved the food.

If you don't like the food bring your own or order take away. I don't need food as I eat pussies LOL.One pussy everyday, keeps doctor away.

[Citizen Kane]

Oase has improved the food.

If you don't like the food bring your own or order take away. I don't need food as I eat pussies LOL.Has Mauro's take away ban been lifted?

[Hessen Bub]

Has Mauro's take away ban been lifted?Good question. Ordering in was banned because men and girls had to pay for food additional to the 10€ voucher. Now that food for men is free (girls are still only allowed one meal) the ban may be gone. But then Mauro wouldn't sell his 10€ pizza and soup anymore.

Food has improved a little. Still the overdone chicken, pork and beef sausage halfs. But also some usually overcooked pasta, some meat stew, some potatoes, salad. Still leading the Hessen clubs (World, Palace, Mainhattan, Oase, Sharks) for worst food experience.

HB.

[UShobbyist]

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Food has improved a little. Still the overdone chicken, pork and beef sausage halfs. But also some usually overcooked pasta, some meat stew, some potatoes, salad. Still leading the Hessen clubs (World, Palace, Mainhattan, Oase, Sharks) for worst food experience.

HB.I think that the food quality has been improved significantly for the breakfast. I really like its high quality fresh croissants. The dinner is also improved but not stable.

Sometimes, you can enjoy the big shrimps at the dinner but sometimes there is no shrimp or fish at all.

[Hessen Bub]

Yes, breakfast has improved significantly compared to a few years ago when all they offered day in day out was Babybel, cheese on a stick, BiFi, Leberwurst.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

Good question. Ordering in was banned because men and girls had to pay for food additional to the 10 voucher. Now that food for men is free (girls are still only allowed one meal) the ban may be gone. But then Mauro wouldn't sell his 10 pizza and soup anymore.

Food has improved a little. Still the overdone chicken, pork and beef sausage halfs. But also some usually overcooked pasta, some meat stew, some potatoes, salad. Still leading the Hessen clubs (World, Palace, Mainhattan, Oase, Sharks) for worst food experience.

HB.For FKK, over cooked cannot be avoided I suppose because of that steam warmer thing to keep the food warm; But it will be nice to see things that you cannot go wrong that much like past with meat balls or curry, meat straganof or related stew dishes.

Normally I eat big meal one hour before I go to FKK so I don't have to eat, but after few sessions I have to eat. The worst is when you just eat at FKK and you see the girl you want to zimmer with. It is like you got to take her or she could be gone kinda feeling LOL Well eat pussy for desert.

[Faceless78]

Yes, breakfast has improved significantly compared to a few years ago when all they offered day in day out was Babybel, cheese on a stick, BiFi, Leberwurst.

HB.What's the time for breakfast? BTW 12-14? I never arrive earlier than 16:00.

[TankTank123]

What's the time for breakfast? BTW 12-14? I never arrive earlier than 16:00.Food available from around 10.30 am. Complete offering available by 11 am. Some remnants still available up to around 4 pm. Sometimes the cook takes away the trays earlier when there is nothing left.

[TankTank123]

you cannot go wrong that much like past with meat balls or curry, meat straganof Not always true. There was one occasion last year when the cook attempted some kind of Strogonoff. It turned very sourish by 8 pm.

[Wry Cooter]

I was happily surprised to find out Oase has wifi available for its patrons (the password is ABC123. De by the way) and it occurs to me that only a couple of other clubs I know provide wifi for their clients, Golden Time in Bruggen and Villa Vertigo in Grefrath. Just wondering if anyone is aware of any others? For an internet junkie like me it's always nice to get access to messages and such while I'm out there, especially since I usually don't buy a local SIM card so the internet is my only way to communicating with people or more importantly, checking ISG for the lowdown on which ladies to keep an eye out for.

[FiddyCent]

I was happily surprised to find out Oase has wifi available for its patrons (the password is ABC123. De by the way) and it occurs to me that only a couple of other clubs I know provide wifi for their clients, Golden Time in Bruggen and Villa Vertigo in Grefrath. Just wondering if anyone is aware of any others? For an internet junkie like me it's always nice to get access to messages and such while I'm out there, especially since I usually don't buy a local SIM card so the internet is my only way to communicating with people or more importantly, checking ISG for the lowdown on which ladies to keep an eye out for.Hello Wry Cooter.

I know Living Room, Kaarst has free Wi-Fi, or (wee-fee), as the Germans call it.

FiddyCent.

[Mr Ho]

I was happily surprised to find out Oase has wifi available for its patrons (the password is ABC123. De by the way) and it occurs to me that only a couple of other clubs I know provide wifi for their clients, Golden Time in Bruggen and Villa Vertigo in Grefrath. Just wondering if anyone is aware of any others? For an internet junkie like me it's always nice to get access to messages and such while I'm out there, especially since I usually don't buy a local SIM card so the internet is my only way to communicating with people or more importantly, checking ISG for the lowdown on which ladies to keep an eye out for.I read Sharks and Palace also offer some computers to use for clients? And also WiFi?

It is confusing because FKK sharks claim they offer WiFi on some FKK evaluation sites.

[Syzygies]

Not always true. There was one occasion last year when the cook attempted some kind of Strogonoff. It turned very sourish by 8 pm.Clubs often use low quality cheap beef. So all beef is risky. Chicken breast and Puten is habitually severely over cooked and pork can be also. Chicken legs are harder to stuff up. LOL.

No guarantees with FKK food. My favourite is chopped tomato and lettuce unadulterated. Not stuffed up.

[Mr Ho]

Clubs often use low quality cheap beef. So all beef is risky. Chicken breast and Puten is habitually severely over cooked and pork can be also. Chicken legs are harder to stuff up. LOL.

No guarantees with FKK food. My favourite is chopped tomato and lettuce unadulterated. Not stuffed up.OK not always, but I had some good pasta dish (potato based pasta that supposed to be German specialty dish) in FKK Artemis.

But only once that time only LOL .

I go to Charlottenberg for good kebab by station, nice to take a break for one hour from Artemis, eat and back to action.

It is only one station so I never got busted for not buying ticket. I hope food at Frankfurt FKK is good. OK sharks are good, Oase bad, how about palace, come on guys give me some hope here .

Or are there any good kebab place within walking distance from FKK palace or at least curry wurst stand or something?

[Mr Ho]

I expect to see more Greek girls at FKK, I want to fuck some Greek girls!

It maybe not in their blood to work in FKK, beside crisis situation for past few years, I never met any Greek girl at FKK. Also Ukrainians too even there was a war. Ah but Ukrainians need visa to work in Germany where as Greeks can just come in as they are in EU still. So I expect to see more Greek girls at German FKK.

[Hessen Bub]

Food doesn't have to be overcooked. See LivingRoom, GT, 5 E or Paradise.

WiFi (or Wigh Figh how the Americans call it, LOL) is also available at Palace. No WiFi at Sharks, Mainhattan, World.

HB.

[Faceless78]

I expect to see more Greek girls at FKK, I want to fuck some Greek girls!

It maybe not in their blood to work in FKK, beside crisis situation for past few years, I never met any Greek girl at FKK. Also Ukrainians too even there was a war. Ah but Ukrainians need visa to work in Germany where as Greeks can just come in as they are in EU still. So I expect to see more Greek girls at German FKK.They are just too lazy, starving on the beach will be a better choice for them. I'm tired of reading any news of their debts, it's just hopeless.

[PacificRim]

WiFi (or Wigh Figh how the Americans call it, LOL)

HB.Also the way it's pronounced in Italy. It's a take off on the term Hi-Fi. How do Germans pronounce Hi-Fi? Hee-Fee?

[McAdonis]

I believe germans pronounce Wi-Fi as "vee-fee". Or they say WLAN which I believe is "vee-lawn".

Just point to your smartphone and say password. Because password sounds the same in both languages.

Brits say router like "rooter".

[Optimist]

Brits say router like "rooter".But all Brits understand American. Often American is like late medieval English. Even odder not so long ago Americans pronounced route the same way as British. Ok, that is the most off topic note I've ever done.

In Germany the word for key (Schlussel) is sometimes used as an alternative to Password (Passwort )

Anyway McAdonis is right and you will have no problem

[UShobbyist]

Food available from around 10.30 am. Complete offering available by 11 am. Some remnants still available up to around 4 pm. Sometimes the cook takes away the trays earlier when there is nothing left.FKK Oase is opened at 10 AM but the breakfast starts at 11 AM. Before 11 AM you can ask for coffee or tea from the bartender but no food. The fresh croissants come out at 11 AM.

[TankTank123]

OK not always, but I had some good pasta dish (potato based pasta that supposed to be German specialty dish) in FKK Artemis.There were TWO pasta dishes at Artemis this evening. One tasted like Beef Strogonoff although the sign said Fricassee. Maybe Strogonoff is Fricasee.

[Hessen Bub]

But all Brits understand American. Often American is like late medieval English. The whole country (roads, houses, cars) is like late medieval England. LOL.

Germans pronounce HiFi like High Fee.

HB.

[Faceless78]

The whole country (roads, houses, cars) is like late medieval England. LOL.

Germans pronounce HiFi like High Fee.

HB.I pronounce it as "Why Five" LOL.

[Mr Ho]

What is the best spot to hunt the girls you want to zimmer with for FKK palace, FKK sharks and FKK Oase.

Like, for FKK Artemis. I have few places I station my self to find the girl I want to zimmer with comfortably.

At Artemis, I sit at where slot machine is out side the main bar area and just by stairs, here I can see girls under proper lighting and also just before entering the main bar to be fetched by fellow mongers, this is best spot because I can clearly see where the girls are coming out from changing room and I can sit doing this.

Are there any sweet spot like this for FKK palace, sharks, and Oase? Where I can sit down and watch the door where girls comes out from their dressing room.

Also what time is best time to go to Palace, Oase and sharks is it like Artemis? I normally go to Artemis at around 5 pm ish because that is when girls at night shift begin to comes out slowly, is it different in Hessen area FKK?

[Faceless78]

What is the best spot to hunt the girls you want to zimmer with for FKK palace, FKK sharks and FKK Oase.

Like, for FKK Artemis. I have few places I station my self to find the girl I want to zimmer with comfortably.

At Artemis, I sit at where slot machine is out side the main bar area and just by stairs, here I can see girls under proper lighting and also just before entering the main bar to be fetched by fellow mongers, this is best spot because I can clearly see where the girls are coming out from changing room and I can sit doing this.

Are there any sweet spot like this for FKK palace, sharks, and Oase? Where I can sit down and watch the door where girls comes out from their dressing room.

Also what time is best time to go to Palace, Oase and sharks is it like Artemis? I normally go to Artemis at around 5 pm ish because that is when girls at night shift begin to comes out slowly, is it different in Hessen area FKK?For Oase, my sweet spot is the whole area outside the dinning room: the upper and the lower level. With good lignting and all the girls going to changing room. You may stay in the jaccuzi as well. Insider, however, is way too dark.

For sharks, the changing room for girls is in the corner and light is not really sufficant, you can still sit there byt I prefer stay in front of the stairs and watch the couples walking down: if there don't walk together or no smiles, perhaps it's not a good session.

time schedule is the same

[Exodus8]

They are just too lazy, starving on the beach will be a better choice for them. I'm tired of reading any news of their debts, it's just hopeless.Yeah damn sick of them as well asking for more money without a plan on how to pay its creditors back.

Greek girls too lazy to give BJ and lay on bed to get fucked? LOL.

[SwingerLover]

Germans pronounce HiFi like High Fee.And that's correct! I don't understand why English speaking natives pronounce it "HighFigh", since the "Fi" stands for "fidelity".

I believe germans pronounce Wi-Fi as "vee-fee". Or they say WLAN which I believe is "vee-lawn".The term 'Wi-Fi' does practically not exist in Germany. When I first read it here on ISG, I actually had to ask someone what it meant! In Germany, it's "WLAN", and is pronounced "ve-laan", with pronounciation on the "ve". Check the pronounciation of "Markuz" here: http://de.forvo.com/word/wlan/#de

[PussyLiccker]

And that's correct! I don't understand why English speaking natives pronounce it "HighFigh", since the "Fi" stands for "fidelity".
The term 'Wi-Fi' does practically not exist in Germany. When I first read it here on ISG, I actually had to ask someone what it meant! In Germany, it's "WLAN", and is pronounced "ve-laan", with pronounciation on the "ve". Check the pronounciation of "Markuz" here: http://de.forvo.com/word/wlan/#deSupposedly, "Wi-Fi Alliance who presided over the selection of the name "Wi-Fi", also stated that Interbrand invented Wi-Fi as a play on words with Hi-Fi. " So, it follows, "wireless fidelity", with Wi short for "Wye ureless," LOL. Some consonants in DE are sounded with "ay" or "eh" attached to them, whereas in my English it's "ee" or "ii." beh, ceh, whereas my English is bee, cee, and etc. Also, they pronounce the W with what I think of a "V" sound in English. It's makes sense the way it's pronounced in Europe, with people pronouncing the sound the way their alphabet is sounded. Whee-fee or Vhee-fee for WiFi. So it seems natural, WLAN and Wifi to be pronounced that way in DE or other parts.

It took a bit of time to get somebody to understand what I was looking for when asking for WiFi. I repeated it several times, and finally they say. Whee-Fee? Then, I was like Aha! Yes, Whee-fee. Password please! LOL.

[TankTank123]

Whee-Fee? Then, I was like Aha! Yes, Whee-fee. Password please! LOL.Once some time ago, noting that I spoke to her in English, a German receptionist in a small town asked me "Why-Fee?" Not realising what she was asking, I answered "Wifey at home. Ich bin alone. ".

[YamaYama0519]

Yes, I was surprised when a well-known girl in World told me that she monitors the Japanese forums everyday, and also requested her past customers to indicate in their posts how to identify her when they go to World.Is this the one you are talking about? http://anago.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/21oversea/1435366442/.

And I am wondering if the well-known girl in World you mentioned happens to be Alina.

[TankTank123]

Is this the one you are talking about? http://anago.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/21oversea/1435366442/.
And I am wondering if the well-known girl in World you mentioned happens to be Alina.Sorry, I can't read Japanese. I was just reporting what the girl, who claimed she could read a little Japanese, told me.
You did mention her in some of your wonderful posts in the past. But she was not around in your last visit.

[YamaYama0519]

Sorry, I can't read Japanese. I was just reporting what the girl, who claimed she could read a little Japanese, told me.
You did mention her in some of your wonderful posts in the past. But she was not around in your last visit.Thanks, TankTank.

[SwingerLover]

So it seems natural, WLAN and Wifi to be pronounced that way in DE or other parts.Again: 'WiFi' is usually not used at all in Germany, so better use the term 'WLAN'!

[Trans Atlantic]

Sorry, I can't read Japanese. I was just reporting what the girl, who claimed she could read a little Japanese, told me.
You did mention her in some of your wonderful posts in the past. But she was not around in your last visit.There's always google translate.

[Mr Ho]

FKK Palace has good breakfast, maybe not decent, but it is much better than other FKK I went to.

[PussyLiccker]

I know that this is off topic, but I agree with the escorts that you can book for 150-200 euro per hour or 2 hours for 250-350 euro in Milano, Torino, Roma and Napoli. The girl standard of looks is high, we are talking in the high end of the FKK and the services are DFK, BBBJ, DATY with CIM, anal as extras but at times included depending. You rely on the good reporters to confirm the girl is as per the pictures and the services are at stated, but as you get more into it the price justifies the service and looks. When you are paying 250-300 euro for 2 hours then for those girls it is competitive with Frankfurt when you take into account the travel costs and entrance fees. Not all these girls speak Italian so you speak English to them.

I am less familiar with the Paris market. I do not do much in the USA either. In UK you get the same thing provided you avoid the Romanians. The Hungarians, Polish and Russians are better, there is even the odd German girl. You look for the nationality and avoid Romanians.Perhaps the types of girls you mentioned moved on to higher paying places where rates are higher? I've seen some of the LU list, from the past, and there were a lot more variety from central to EE countries, and of course Germans too. Wasn't high percentage Ro. Half hour rate has not changed for what 10+ years? So, I'm guess these girls are working at other places that pull more money, and there are an abundance of Ro girls take their spot despite the rate not increasing with time and inflation.

If there is a very pretty to stunner in UK escort, if you live there, it just makes sense to go with that. I guess these types are where the money is at naturally. After taking several trips to DE, I'm starting to think it makes since to pay more if it's a sure thing to get with these types. I've probably spent a lot to look for them. Probably better to pay more for quality, that is if the service is quality too.

I know you posted couple pictures of escorts before, maybe Russians? Do the UK escorts typically look like that for that rate you mentioned? I'm looking for places where you can find those types. Anybody know, please share.

Germany is good for low rates, and the number of girls in choice on the spot with of course food, and free beer at times.

[McAdonis]

Perhaps the types of girls you mentioned moved on to higher paying places where rates are higher? I've seen some of the LU list, from the past, and there were a lot more variety from central to EE countries, and of course Germans too. Wasn't high percentage Ro. Half hour rate has not changed for what 10+ years? So, I'm guess these girls are working at other places that pull more money, and there are an abundance of Ro girls take their spot despite the rate not increasing with time and inflation.

If there is a very pretty to stunner in UK escort, if you live there, it just makes sense to go with that. I guess these types are where the money is at naturally. After taking several trips to DE, I'm starting to think it makes since to pay more if it's a sure thing to get with these types. I've probably spent a lot to look for them. Probably better to pay more for quality, that is if the service is quality too.

I know you posted couple pictures of escorts before, maybe Russians? Do the UK escorts typically look like that for that rate you mentioned? I'm looking for places where you can find those types. Anybody know, please share.

Germany is good for low rates, and the number of girls in choice on the spot with of course food, and free beer at times.FKK's are 90% RO, but I remember you posting a list of your all-time top ten optiks, and probably only 1-2 RO girls made the list.

Only stayed in London for weeks or days at a time before, so obviously wouldn't know as much as Dufey. The agency websites--like any other escort website anywhere in the world-contain a lot of photoshopping and airbrushing. So I resolved to only see girls that were well-reviewed on the punter site. There is also the "AW" site where you get independents. So a girl might have a rate of 300 pounds on some glossy escort site but the same girl will have an ad for 180 pounds on the AW site with photos from her smartphone camera. Germany also has an independent scene on the "buy me" site where you can find non-Romanians. For instance, termingirls24 only has Hungarians. In all cases, it is advisable to cross-reference for reviews.

Agencies are more expensive, but you have somebody to complain to if the girl stands you up. Also probably less chance of bait-and-switch. Or girls lying about the services they offer (I. E. Advertise BBBJ but only provide CBJ).

[PussyLiccker]

I haven't been around long enough to see how the variety was like, but I've read some stories of guys with memories from the Atlantis days, and it seems like it would have been right up my ally. To bad, it wasn't a good time for me to be in Germany at the time. I'm not completely sure if the girls at other places because of higher pay. What would be more telling is what the overal percentage of them outside their country working. If it has decreased in good percentage, that would be due to better quality of life for the females in those nations.

I've looked at Termin girls, but most are not really my types, and besides they are pictoral representations that may not really represent them in person. Lots of inconvenience to it. Like only a few will be available, and booking them prior. Not very convenient for a visitor. FKK system works well since many girls will be present to choose from, and you see them in person to have a good idea of you find them attractive. More money doesn't necessarily translate to club with mostly better looking girls. I've done Swiss, and witnessed that. Pricing probably are more region dependent as both countries has different standard pricing levels. Germany has kept the pricing static for so long.

[Hessen Bub]

Atlantis closed in 2004. Memories seem to fade, also at Atlantis there were girls with bad service and no kissing, there was more variety of re nationalities. Baltic countries, Poland, Hungaria, Czech, Romania, Bulgaria, Germans, Latinas, Brasilians, Thai, Russian. The club itself was small and not too clean, food only on three days per week. And the food sucked. So am I missing Atlantis? Not really. Too many options re clubs and girls nowadays.

HB.

[Optimist]

HB is right 100%. The reason it lives in memories is that at the time it was the only thing approaching a heaven full of female angels.The range of nationalities was the great aspect.

[McAdonis]

Maybe you should try the Czech clubs. The pricing is between Germany and Swiss, I believe. Probably not as much selection. Probably no quality control on services. But there would be more Czech girls. I am not familiar with that scene.

[XXL]

Some clubs seem to have a no-Rumanians policy. Here's one:

http://www.villa-pompoes-ingolstadt.de/startseite.html

I was there twice. Not one Rumanian. It's not an FKK, you sit and the available girls introduce themsevles one by one. Girls tend to be a bit older and not so good-looking but this impression may be because the most popular girls are seldom available. All the same, notice the quality gap on the website between "Girls aktuell" and "Girls Vorschau". Girls Vorschau = "potential girls". Still, they gave me three 50% discount vouchers on my first visit and they turned out to be price vouchers (not time vouchers as I'd thought). So I fucked for 25 euros on my 2nd visit.

[Hessen Bub]

You don't believe that these girls are from Moldavia, Italy, England etc. , do you? Look at Paradise Stuttgart: There's a site listing all girls present. None of them are officially from Romania. But they all are.

HB.

[Faceless78]

I can't imagine a world without Romanian girls, but I won't worry about guys there LOL.

[XXL]

Air-conditioning is now the limiting factor. No use to visit unless rooms are air-conditioned. Air-conditioning on hot summer days is the Achilles' heel of German prostitution (compared to prostitution in Asia for example).

[FredZee]

Given that the vacation season is just about to start or has started for Germany, will the line ups be ok or decent for the next two weeks? Which would you guys recommend going to in the Frankfurt area in order of preference? Last year I went to to Oase, World and Sharks but only in the month of June and the line ups was really good at Oase (Friday), weak at World (Saturday) and not so great at Sharks (Sunday. Early to late afternoon).

[Dufey]

Given that the vacation season is just about to start or has started for Germany, will the line ups be ok or decent for the next two weeks? Which would you guys recommend going to in the Frankfurt area in order of preference? Last year I went to to Oase, World and Sharks but only in the month of June and the line ups was really good at Oase (Friday), weak at World (Saturday) and not so great at Sharks (Sunday. Early to late afternoon).My friends insist on visiting the FKK clubs when they are renown to be at their weakest. So see some tourists in high Summer August time and the period in between Christmas and New Years in the clubs complaining that the line ups are awful and that we are only here to relax and not to be bothered by girls since they are a distraction.

We go out of our way to visit at the bad times. No one wants to go when the line ups are at their best. No reason for it they say.

[Dufey]

This may not always happen to guys in the clubs. So if not then please move on.

Tonight I was asked for a large sum of euro to purchase an apartment in Bucharest for a club girl. This is not the first time I have heard this. The money is there since an apartment in Bucharest is not an overly large sum of money. It is not going to happen. I was wondering how often the girls ask guys and what guys do to handle the situation without burning the bridges.

I know some guys give financial support to some girls. Maybe in the hundreds of euro and some in the thousands of euro when asked. The guys do it out of affiliation or "love or affection" which is the legal terminology.

I even heard of a Cocaine NL as Sirioja describes them paying a girl to not work in the club.

[Banana Boi]

I even heard of a Cocaine NL as Sirioja describes them paying a girl to not work in the club.I know a guy who booked a Hungarian dancer for every hour every shift my dancer worked. That's A LOT of money at $400 per hour! He did this so no one else could touch her. She hated him so much but it was easy money. After her shift should would take my friends and I to dinner. LOL.

I've been asked for money by tons of Hungarians and Romanians over the years where I usually hobby. The most common story was medical problems for their sibings back home or money to bring their siblings over. The funniest one was a girl asking me for $50 k to pay for the uninsured Mustang she totaled. She wasn't even hurt!

[FredZee]

My friends insist on visiting the FKK clubs when they are renown to be at their weakest. So see some tourists in high Summer August time and the period in between Christmas and New Years in the clubs complaining that the line ups are awful and that we are only here to relax and not to be bothered by girls since they are a distraction.

We go out of our way to visit at the bad times. No one wants to go when the line ups are at their best. No reason for it they say.Its really work that is taking me to the Frankfurt area during this time. So, not a matter of picking a good or bad time as its just the luck of the work schedule. Good or bad. Having said that, any preference order or its pretty much all the same, not as good as it would be any other time outside of the summer months?

[Hessen Bub]

Same question every year. Some girls will be on holiday. Some girls already returned. There will be more girls than you can fuck in one week.

HB.

[PussyLiccker]

This may not always happen to guys in the clubs. So if not then please move on.

Tonight I was asked for a large sum of euro to purchase an apartment in Bucharest for a club girl. This is not the first time I have heard this. The money is there since an apartment in Bucharest is not an overly large sum of money. It is not going to happen. I was wondering how often the girls ask guys and what guys do to handle the situation without burning the bridges.

I know some guys give financial support to some girls. Maybe in the hundreds of euro and some in the thousands of euro when asked. The guys do it out of affiliation or "love or affection" which is the legal terminology.

I even heard of a Cocaine NL as Sirioja describes them paying a girl to not work in the club.Asking for a large sum sounds ridiculous to me, but then again relationship probably started with money if she is a club girl. Given she works at a club, there's got to be good number of clients, and a portion she keeps in contact with. Likely, she will ask those that has potential to sugar daddy her. Just my guess. And luck could have it that she find just that. I bet there are girls meet these type of men in clubs that spend exuberant amount her for her to figure out that he may provide more than money for sex. I have heard of guys that buy girls smartphones, and the girl will tell me that. I have been suggested to buy her a iphone by showing me her pitiful phone. Same girl showed me a ring a client that was obviously infactuated her. If the guy has the money to sugar a girl, hey it's his money, and he can do whatever he wish. As far as the outcome with the WG, he'd have to find out. For some guys, what he buys or provides a girl is probably a chump change. He'd find a girl he sugar for awhile, and move on, and etc..

Some of these girls can put on a pretty good illusion in and outside the room. I have met one that did that quite well, and for some girls easier, and probably more natural for them with all kinds of men. Depending on the interaction it gives a man a feeling of being liked, or feeling particularly special or different. An illusion.

I have heard guys providing assistance to girls in return for her to hang out and provide sexual services. Like for example a student in one of the poorest European country going to school or whatever and looking for supplementary fund to pay for things.

[Trans Atlantic]

This may not always happen to guys in the clubs. So if not then please move on.

Tonight I was asked for a large sum of euro to purchase an apartment in Bucharest for a club girl. This is not the first time I have heard this. The money is there since an apartment in Bucharest is not an overly large sum of money. It is not going to happen. I was wondering how often the girls ask guys and what guys do to handle the situation without burning the bridges.

I know some guys give financial support to some girls. Maybe in the hundreds of euro and some in the thousands of euro when asked. The guys do it out of affiliation or "love or affection" which is the legal terminology.

I even heard of a Cocaine NL as Sirioja describes them paying a girl to not work in the club.

My ATF tells me how she was given a brand new luxury car. Surprisingly I have not been asked or perhaps I have not been buttered up enough for the request to come up. Some are really talented at understanding the male psyche and are successful at providing GFE that you can't separate fact from fiction as in GFE not just in the physical sense (DFK etc), but more importantly, mentally as well. You may think you are fucking her brains out but in reality she is the one doing the fucking.

[McAdonis]

Tonight I was asked for a large sum of euro to purchase an apartment in Bucharest for a club girl. This is not the first time I have heard this. The money is there since an apartment in Bucharest is not an overly large sum of money. It is not going to happen. I was wondering how often the girls ask guys and what guys do to handle the situation without burning the bridges.

She must really think she has you wrapped around her finger, otherwise I don't think she would be bold enough to ask. Or she thinks you are ridiculously wealthy and you can purchase a Bucharest apartment like its a pack of cigarettes.

I would just tell her you're money is locked up in investments at the moment. Or you can always use humor to diffuse the situation--make up an elaborate story about how you will buy her a Caribbean island or something. She will realize you are joking--maybe it will become a running inside joke. If you stick with "my money is locked up", it's a plausible excuse though. Eventually she will stop asking you. Either way I don't think it matters, I doubt any bridges will be burned or her service will deteriorate.

I assume that you've paid her thousands of euros and invested a lot of hours in room-time. I have a feeling the girl who propositioned you is smart business woman. If so, she wants to maintain the relationship because you've probably already paid her what would amount to a down payment on her Bucharest apartment. If that's the case, then subtly remind her that fact. If anybody is worried about burning bridges, it should be her. But I may be injecting too much of my own personal feelings toward this. If a girl asked me for gifts, it'd be a turn-off and it would kill the illusion factor.

[McAdonis]

The funniest one was a girl asking me for $50 k to pay for the uninsured Mustang she totaled. She wasn't even hurt!I would have offered to chip in for a bus pass.

[PussyLiccker]

My ATF tells me how she was given a brand new luxury car. Surprisingly I have not been asked or perhaps I have not been buttered up enough for the request to come up. Some are really talented at understanding the male psyche and are successful at providing GFE that you can't separate fact from fiction as in GFE not just in the physical sense (DFK etc), but more importantly, mentally as well. You may think you are fucking her brains out but in reality she is the one doing the fucking.For sure. I think some just have greater instincts, and comes naturally. I have met some girls like that, and call them gems. I think it partly has to do with how the man is receptive to it. Some are just not cut out for the work too. Many men speak of mechanical sessions and etc. And perhaps it's not something that comes so natural for some of the girls. I've had sessions that I could not get myself to think that she could possibly service other clients in such a manner, but then reality comes a knockin. So convincing. Not a bad thing at all, it's something we pay for, and they try to provide what we seek. Some read minds better than others. Pretty smart when it comes to that. A girl that was pretty high in the illusion factor told me she can feel what the client likes and it's her job. I don't even think she has that much experience either.

[Ortos]

This may not always happen to guys in the clubs. So if not then please move on.

Tonight I was asked for a large sum of euro to purchase an apartment in Bucharest for a club girl. This is not the first time I have heard this. I was wondering how often the girls ask guys and what guys do to handle the situation without burning the bridges.

I know some guys give financial support to some girls. Maybe in the hundreds of euro and some in the thousands of euro when asked. The guys do it out of affiliation or "love or affection" which is the legal terminology.

Something similar happened to me last week at Oase with a very hot girl with extremely dynamic sexual energy and erotic skills: After I'd sessioned with her two or three visits running, she suddenly talked about me giving her presents and luxury items as gifts, etc. So on my very next visit I rewarded her with: 2 x Davidoff Gold Slims, and a double Snickers choclate bar. Wow: Unparelleled sex followed afterwards! Well worth the investment.

[Dufey]

Something similar happened to me last week at Oase with a very hot girl with extremely dynamic sexual energy and erotic skills: After I'd sessioned with her two or three visits running, she suddenly talked about me giving her presents and luxury items as gifts, etc. So on my very next visit I rewarded her with: 2 x Davidoff Gold Slims, and a double Snickers choclate bar. Wow: Unparelleled sex followed afterwards! Well worth the investment.Well, that is one way of handling the situation.

Do you correspond with her outside of your club visits or only on club visits when she pitches to you her services, that is, your only contact is when you are in the club?

[Dufey]

She must really think she has you wrapped around her finger, otherwise I don't think she would be bold enough to ask. Or she thinks you are ridiculously wealthy and you can purchase a Bucharest apartment like its a pack of cigarettes.

I would just tell her you're money is locked up in investments at the moment. Or you can always use humor to diffuse the situation--make up an elaborate story about how you will buy her a Caribbean island or something. She will realize you are joking--maybe it will become a running inside joke. If you stick with "my money is locked up", it's a plausible excuse though. Eventually she will stop asking you. Either way I don't think it matters, I doubt any bridges will be burned or her service will deteriorate.

I assume that you've paid her thousands of euros and invested a lot of hours in room-time. I have a feeling the girl who propositioned you is smart business woman. If so, she wants to maintain the relationship because you've probably already paid her what would amount to a down payment on her Bucharest apartment. If that's the case, then subtly remind her that fact. If anybody is worried about burning bridges, it should be her. But I may be injecting too much of my own personal feelings toward this. If a girl asked me for gifts, it'd be a turn-off and it would kill the illusion factor.McAdonis,

I went along your approach saying that all money was tied up in my investments or in apartments that I had bought. So I had no spare money.

The cost of an apartment in Bucharest was not so much money but she spends most of her time in the clubs so I was wondering with her whether it was better to get an apartment in country instead. She said that it was too much money to buy locally near the club. It was better in Bucharest. I could not recall if she was from Bucharest or maybe from Craiova or Brasov or Timosora.

She was a bit bold to even say that I could take a loan out on my apartments or investments to give to her. So she was not totally an initiate when it came to financial matters.

I think she was chancing it as many girls will chance it with asking for tips at the end of a session or asking for a tip up front before going to the room.

Indeed, over the months I have spent thousands of euro on the girl and she does a genuinely good session for me doing all the naughty things I like but she does not like anal that much and only does to please me per her words. Indeed she does look in pain when my cock is in her arsehole, asking only that I hurry up and come rather than prolong the anal fucking. I wonder if this is what Sirioja means by rude sex?

So all in all, I have paid probably the deposit on the Bucharest apartment but she does not seem to have any money. Complaining how she is always broke. She claims she has no pimp now that her penalty has been paid off.

I agree that a girl asking for tips and gifts can be a turn off but if you have feelings for a girl then it is hard to say no and have perspective if you have no one like you doing this hobby and can explain to them what is happening to make sure that you do not do things on a whim. I mean if a man has his own money with no calls on those assets like wives or children or other dependents then it can be easy to fritter cash away with nothing else to spend their money on.

[Optimist]

An interesting discussion with good points by everybody

I think it is right that some workers can sense what a client is looking for and then instinctively provide it. This doesn't automatically translate into requests for money etc, but it does perhaps mean the client is more likely to say yes.

One thing which surprises me is that once a girl has established that connectionthen refusal never for me leads to the girl cutting off service. I have many times refused requests but this has never stopped the girl wanting to go with me, and sometimes eventually repeating the requests, to be followed by more refusals.As McAdonis says, repeat custom can add up to a sizeable financial transfer

Generally I feel that the request is a very calculated one, but that it is very separate from the normal service. In other words, I get the normal room service and refusal or agreement to a request has no impact. So, for this reason I rarely break off contact. After all the girls don't know whether I am rich or in fact earn less than them, so they are just trying their luck.Sometimes I will deal with it all in a lighthearted vein, telling them how old my car is and how little I earn.If I get a complaining worker like Dufey describes I never give a gift.

Even more complex are the very very rare situations where I offer a gift or money to a girl who has not asked, and she refuses to take the gift. Now, is this because they are manipulating me towards a greater gift, or because they genuinely don't like to take charity.In one case she eventually agreed to take a gift after several refusals . Maybe I was manipulated into making the offer by a worker who instinctively understood my feelings and thoughts and knew exactly how many refusals to make before I withdrew the offer.

I have never been asked for a gift or money unless I am in contact with a girl outside FKK.

[Dufey]

My ATF tells me how she was given a brand new luxury car. Surprisingly I have not been asked or perhaps I have not been buttered up enough for the request to come up. Some are really talented at understanding the male psyche and are successful at providing GFE that you can't separate fact from fiction as in GFE not just in the physical sense (DFK etc), but more importantly, mentally as well. You may think you are fucking her brains out but in reality she is the one doing the fucking.Your experiences are welcome. I can see the merging of fact and fiction. I keep having to remind myself that these girls are not your wives or girlfriends and you owe them nothing. But sometimes when you go in deep, as you say, these girls can fuck with your brain.

I know one German man that was asked to pay for vet fees for the German girl's dog or a washing machine as it was broken. The amounts were not huge but then more than a man would pay in a FKK session for one hour and CIM if they so wanted that extra.

The girls can really fuck with your brain.

[Dufey]

An interesting discussion.

I think it is right that some workers can sense what a client is looking for and then instinctively provide it. This doesn't automatically translate into requests for money etc, but it does perhaps mean the client is more likely to say yes.

I have never been asked for a gift or money unless I am in contact with a girl between visits to FKK.Optimist,

Thank you for your comments.

I think the situation is more prevalent for the girls that you do keep in contact between FKK visits as you are using time that is not paid for. You have a relationship with the girl that has extended beyond FKK.

I also found it rare, if at all, that a girl that I only see in the club or keep contact with inside the club setting asks for financial support or gifts or help in some way.

One German friend was asked to help one World girl escape her pimp by picking her up from the club and driving her to safety in another country where her brother was found to be staying.

[Ortos]

Well, that is one way of handling the situation.

Do you correspond with her outside of your club visits or only on club visits when she pitches to you her services, that is, your only contact is when you are in the club?No contact outside the club. That's the way I like / want it. Extra-club involvement with girls often leads to disappointments, regrets and, perhaps most imporant, a much greater depletion of bankroll.

[Dufey]

I have heard of guys that buy girls smartphones, and the girl will tell me that. I have been suggested to buy her a iphone by showing me her pitiful phone. Same girl showed me a ring a client that was obviously infactuated her.
I know one man that flew to stay for one week in Bucharest to see a girl from World and she did not come to the airport to see him. Now that man is a hardened FKK club goer and is more cynical than Sirioja now for it and only pays 50 euro for a session demanding all the services that he can squeeze from a girl and only gives no more than 50 euro including for coming on the girl anywhere he wants even in her most intimate holes.

I know another man that offered one girl a ring too and that ended in a bad place for the man. I think he is recovering.

[Dufey]

No contact outside the club. That's the way I like / want it. Extra-club involvement with girls often leads to disappointments, regrets and, perhaps most imporant, a much greater depletion of bankroll.Ok, that explains it. As Optimist says these requests for financial support only really happen when you keep contact with girls outside of the club setting it seems.

I did at one time delete all the FKK girls phone numbers from my handy but then over time I got some numbers back again and kept in contact with some girls.

[Ortos]

One thing seems pretty clear:

Girls who ask for gifts of money or whatever will target men who characteristically take long sessions, and / or sessions that involve lots of extras. Put another way: if you are a die-hard 30 mins /50 e standard session man, I doubt you'll run into a request for large-value gifts or financial support. And I think there is a "I've-got-nothing-to-loose" element in these girls' attitude.

[Ortos]

Ok, that explains it. As Optimist says these requests for financial support only really happen when you keep contact with girls outside of the club setting it seems.

I did at one time delete all the FKK girls phone numbers from my handy but then over time I got some numbers back again and kept in contact with some girls.Can somebody explain what the advantage is in maintaining contact with a girl (s) outside the club? Is just personal ego boost, or what? I don't see the real benefits.

[Optimist]

Can somebody explain what the advantage is in maintaining contact with a girl (s) outside the club? Is just personal ego boost, or what? I don't see the real benefits.Very little advantage except to plan my flights to fit in with work plans of favourites, or for them to adjust their plans. Maybe done this with a dozen girls over a dozen years. With one or two I like, I also enjoy the chance to chat with them.

[Optimist]

One thing seems pretty clear:

Girls who ask for gifts of money or whatever will target men who characteristically take long sessions, and / or sessions that involve lots of extras. Put another way: if you are a die-hard 30 mins /50 e standard session man, I doubt you'll run into a request for large-value gifts or financial support. And I think there is a "I've-got-nothing-to-loose" element in these girls' attitude.Exactly. And if you are a strict 30 minute man the relationship will be limited by lack of time. I use the word relationship to cover all elements involved the financial transaction of going to a room with a girl.

[Banana Boi]

Can somebody explain what the advantage is in maintaining contact with a girl (s) outside the club? Is just personal ego boost, or what? I don't see the real benefits.For tourists, it's to help plan when to come to Germany.

For Germans, it's for your favorite girl to let you know when she switches clubs or goes on vacation.


I know another man that offered one girl a ring too and that ended in a bad place for the man. I think he is recovering.

Guys need to realize if they are unable to pick up young girls with the same looks in real life, the FKK girl they are dreaming of is likely out of grasp.

[Hessen Bub]

Can somebody explain what the advantage is in maintaining contact with a girl (s) outside the club? Is just personal ego boost, or what? I don't see the real benefits.Knowing what her schedule is.

Knowing if she switches clubs.

Knowing when she is on holiday.

Seeing her outside for either just a coffee or drinks or dinner.

Or taking her to a hotel. Money involved or not.

HB.

[PussyLiccker]

Guys need to realize if they are unable to pick up young girls with the same looks in real life, the FKK girl they are dreaming of is likely out of grasp.That's the draw for me. With thousands of girls situated in various clubs and venues I like to find the hot ones I dream about. You run into them, and service is good, it's priceless. Who may be lurking somewhere in some club, there is no telling. With so many girls, with varying looks, it's a priceless moment when you stand there stunned(Thinking holy shit!) once you spotted one. But, I realized it's pretty rare. I had this happen in the past, but it's just random occurances, and they tend to disappear after a brief period. It was weird, one was at LR out of all places. When I first saw her I was thinking, what the hell is she doing in this club? Why isn't she in GT or something. I think it was good thing she was at LR because service was good and probably have enough experience without crowd of punters bringing down her service. Some girls like smaller environments as I've heard this from girls. Could be less competition or relaxed environment.

[Dufey]

Can somebody explain what the advantage is in maintaining contact with a girl (s) outside the club? Is just personal ego boost, or what? I don't see the real benefits.It is to know when a girl changes club or if you want to see her and you do not know what days she is working. Also it is nice to chat about stuff like what you do if you have friends.

The conversation does not always be if the girl does AO, or whether she will swallow your load or if you want her lick your hairy balls while you smoke and hold her head.

[Dufey]

Its really work that is taking me to the Frankfurt area during this time. So, not a matter of picking a good or bad time as its just the luck of the work schedule. Good or bad. Having said that, any preference order or its pretty much all the same, not as good as it would be any other time outside of the summer months?If you cannot choose the time then asking the question is it any good to go to the clubs in the next two weeks due to the girls being on holiday is purely academic. You are going to the clubs or not going to the clubs. It is purely based on if you want to go unless there is some girl that you wish to see.

If you are like Ortos and do not take the handy number of any girls then you will have to take pot luck to see if any girl in any club that you pick will take your fancy. It is what we all do when we go as we have no idea really who we are going to see in the club.

Have fun.

[Dufey]

I have heard guys providing assistance to girls in return for her to hang out and provide sexual services. Like for example a student in one of the poorest European country going to school or whatever and looking for supplementary fund to pay for things.Yeah, I know a guy that invests hours in picking amateur girls off Craigslist to book to be his paid for escort. It can get it for 300 per day or sessions for 50 for as long as it takes.

He takes these girls on holiday with him for several days at a time. That is not too bad when you pay just 250 to 300 per day so a 5 day trip can be 1250 to 1500 which is what some guys can spend in the FKKs over a weekend.

We go to dinner together and I talk to him about FKKs and he tells me about all the deals he gets on Craigslist.

Something has to be said for these amateur student types that are a little naïve so this much older guy takes advantage of them as he is won't to do.

[Syzygies]

Can somebody explain what the advantage is in maintaining contact with a girl (s) outside the club? Is just personal ego boost, or what? I don't see the real benefits.Its not intended to be an ego thing for many. If you have a super favourite girl and wanto check when she is working, would be very handy. Choose wisely which girls to make contact. In many years of FKK I only collected contact numbers for about 6 girls. I met some of the girls outside to save an FKK visit. Lavinia I never met outside but just checked when she was working.

I would love to be able to check when Sharks Agnes is working, but cannot. 3 visits in a row managed to miss her. So bad. Like I need a club spy.

[Ortos]

If you are like Ortos and do not take the handy number of any girls then you will have to take pot luck to see if any girl in any club that you pick will take your fancy. Hold on, Cowboy: Where did you ever get this information? I never said I "do not take the handy number of any girls," did I? I just questioned the overall advantage of meeting outside the club. If, ultimately, it results in generating additional business / income for the girl (I dismiss the occurrance of a girl meeting you for sex without money involved as a rare and idealistic phenomenon), then it is of mutual benefit for both man and girl to exchange these numbers.

But nothing is ever written in stone: so many times I've asked a girl coming out of the session if she would be working the next day, etc. , and I show up and guess what?: she had a sudden change of plans.

At the end of the day, for me, I never know for sure which girl (s) I will session with until I have a shower, get changed and scan the line-up that day. Sure, I walk in hoping girl x, y, z will be there and available, but I never know 100% who I'm goin' bang for sure until I get there.

The best, for me, is a club like Oase or Sharks (used to be World too), where, when I walk in the door, there are multiple possibilities of girls, either from a pool of historically acquired regular girls or girls I did once and want to repeat with, and ever changing enticing new girls just joining the line-up. (Sorry, I didn't mean that last sentence to sound like text from a tourist brochure to FKKdom.).

[Hessen Bub]

Just ask Agnes for her mobile number. She does have a "client phone" and why shouldn't she give it to you?

I wouldn't pay for a girl to spend a holiday with me. If she wants to come and join for a day or a week, perfekt. I'll take care of the expenses for both. That's it. But to each his own.

HB.

[Optimist]

I wouldn't pay for a girl to spend a holiday with me. If she wants to come and join for a day or a week, perfekt. I'll take care of the expenses for both. That's it. But to each his own.That's my hope. I've currently got a girl saying she'll come to London to meet up and sightsee, and I'll pick up the basic expenses. Time will tell if it happens. Without her telephone number it wouldn't be possible. As you say, it might not suit everybody

[FredZee]

If you cannot choose the time then asking the question is it any good to go to the clubs in the next two weeks due to the girls being on holiday is purely academic. You are going to the clubs or not going to the clubs. It is purely based on if you want to go unless there is some girl that you wish to see.

If you are like Ortos and do not take the handy number of any girls then you will have to take pot luck to see if any girl in any club that you pick will take your fancy. It is what we all do when we go as we have no idea really who we are going to see in the club.

Have fun.Thanks for all who have responded. My question was really a matter of never having been at the clubs in July and if there is one better than another during this time but from the postings it all comes down picking between Oase, Sharks and World with Oase and Sharks being in the lead it seem as places to go to.

Have fun I will!

[Capt Dan]

The best, for me, is a club like Oase or Sharks (used to be World too), where, when I walk in the door, there are multiple possibilities of girls, either from a pool of historically acquired regular girls or girls I did once and want to repeat with, and ever changing enticing new girls just joining the line-up. (Sorry, I didn't mean that last sentence to sound like text from a tourist brochure to FKKdom.).I can understand why Ortos would wonder about the advantages of having telephone contact with FKK / Sauna working girls. Like him I prefer to walk into a club and have unhindered selection of whatever lady takes my fancy. However, when you regularly visit these FKK establishments it is difficult not to strike up acquaintanceship with the independent contractors and if you are a nice guy with a tendency to spend money it is very easy for you to become the favourite of some of these working girls and possibly not always for the wrong purely financial reasons.


Knowing what her schedule is.

Knowing if she switches clubs.

Knowing when she is on holiday.

Seeing her outside for either just a coffee or drinks or dinner.

Or taking her to a hotel. Money involved or not.

HB.As HB points out there are some advantages to having telephone contact with a club girl. However this telephone contact can very quickly develop into a friendship / acquaintanceship which is very likely to limit your freedom when you visit the establishment in which this particular girl works. I have often observed situations where a guy visiting the club in which his telephone friend works is limited to just going with this particular girl and no other working girl in that establishment. Generally speaking this special relationship is easily broken and the special favours which are offered by the club favourite in question, can very quickly be withdrawn, unless the relationship is based purely on monetary gain. In other words there can often be an expectation on the girls side that you will go exclusively with her when you are in the club. If the relationship is based purely on cash advantage, any transgression will be quickly forgiven provided the bulk of your zimmer money is being delivered to the working girl friend in question. Sometimes there is a genuine attachment and the transgression is never really forgiven, although she may continue to take your zimmer money. If there are emotional attachments involved well then even a hooker can have feelings!

Saying all that, there are advantages to striking up friendships with some of these girls, provided you are willing to capitalize on the relationship. Recently enough, one of my FKK working girl acquaintances offered to come to my home town for a month for a cost to me of Euro 3000 (or Euro 300/ day). My guess is that I could have very easily negotiated this price down by maybe a third. I believe this girl is perhaps seeking more than money (perhaps a better life) and that is why I was given this offer. I have not (yet!) accepted this proposal, although from time to time I still consider it.

[McAdonis]

Indeed, over the months I have spent thousands of euro on the girl and she does a genuinely good session for me doing all the naughty things I like but she does not like anal that much and only does to please me per her words. Indeed she does look in pain when my cock is in her arsehole, asking only that I hurry up and come rather than prolong the anal fucking. I wonder if this is what Sirioja means by rude sex?


So all in all, I have paid probably the deposit on the Bucharest apartment but she does not seem to have any money.

The three girls that I "started" to develop feelings were girls for which I had an instant connection with. In other words, the first session was 50 EUR /30 min. The second session they offered either unpaid extras and / or free time inside / outside the room. Since the response from them was already warm by the time I had 50-200 EUR invested, I think I was able to more easily delude myself into believing that I offered them something more than money. I mean one girl, I had one 50 EUR sessions on the first night. Then she started giving me her 5 EUR cocktail coins so we could drink together, making it feel like a "normal interaction". Two hours and who knows how many drinks later, we did another 50 EUR /30 min session. I only considered those three "special". My problem is I force people to earn my trust. In the context of WG's, that means I am transfixed on the fact that they are only after my money. The burden is on them to prove otherwise, which the above-forementioned did to some degree.

As for other "traditional favorites", there have been girls that have gotten thousands of euros from me, but that was over the course of years. And I paid them essentially all based on standard pricing (except for the occasional waiving of fees for being five minutes over). I've never came close to developing feelings for them because I just can't get past seeing them as someone that performs a service for money (like a masseuse or housecleaner).




I agree that a girl asking for tips and gifts can be a turn off but if you have feelings for a girl then it is hard to say no and have perspective if you have no one like you doing this hobby and can explain to them what is happening to make sure that you do not do things on a whim. I mean if a man has his own money with no calls on those assets like wives or children or other dependents then it can be easy to fritter cash away with nothing else to spend their money on.It is unclear as to what you were willing to tip or gift to a girl on a whim. But you're talking about needing other mongers to give you a sanity check. So in the past, you must have considered gifting something substantially expensive to a WG--even if only momentarily? If you are really serious about helping this WG with her apartment, that is your prerogative and your money. But I wouldn't just gift it to her in a lump sum. She might just run off with the money. Why not seek overnight sessions? Essentially, you are a making a commitment to "elite level" customer status. And she is actually earning that money.

You mention feelings. If those feelings are reciprocal, then she'd be willing to sacrifice things of value to her: time and money. Just curious--if you were to have an emergency like losing your passport and wallet, do you think she would drop everything, leave the club and go help you (loan you pocket money for a hotel, cab, etc)? Or if you told her your investments tanked and that you had to cut back the amount you spend on her over the next six months, would she cut back her services? Clearly she seems to be testing you, why not test her back?

[Trans Atlantic]

McAdonis has a good point. Don't bail her out but give her the opportunity to earn it.

[PussyLiccker]

I thought there are typical stages punters go through. Like the newbie stages where the punter feels something special for the girl when running into a good service for the first time. At this stage, most vulnerable to getting sharked or spending a whole lot on this girl. Then after, getting with enough girls, realizes that there are other girls that offers similar level services. When girls find these men, it's like a jackpot.

If the girl sacrifices something, then it's plausible there is something there. If thousands of Euros invested, and girl gives up her ass? Sounds hardly like any illusion. Sounds like a really expensive extra. LOL.

I've had something similar happen on a second meeting with a girl, and she was tight, so I gave up.

[Hessen Bub]

However this telephone contact can very quickly develop into a friendship / acquaintanceship which is very likely to limit your freedom when you visit the establishment in which this particular girl works. I have often observed situations where a guy visiting the club in which his telephone friend works is limited to just going with this particular girl and no other working girl in that establishment. I never have or will let that happen. It's nice to know which favorite girls are working when and where. But that's it. Some girls tried the "and then you only go to the room with me and no other girl" on me. Failed.

HB.

[Optimist]

Really helpful and interesting experiences from everybody. It's very complicated since if it turns out a girl really has strong feelings that can be really difficult. One worker got to the point where she said that if people had sex then it meant they should be married: somehow she could have sex with other customers, no problem, but with me sex was only permissible if we got married. This also happened with another worker. It was a real nuisance. They were willing to meet and chat for free, but no more sex.

One time it got even wierder and one girl made it quite clear she didn't want me to visit FKKs at all.!

Less problematical recently a worker kept asking me to stay and making upset faces, so I said that living with her in a clubroom was both far too expensive and not a life: she howled with laughter. I said I had run out of money, at which point she decided it was to allow me leave.

Knowing people makes a great life :)

[Capt Dan]

I never have or will let that happen. It's nice to know which favorite girls are working when and where. But that's it. Some girls tried the "and then you only go to the room with me and no other girl" on me. Failed.

HB.I know that you are extremely well versed in the world of FKK / Sauna Clubs (more than most) and I am sure that you do indeed use these contacts to very good advantage as I try to do myself. I was merely pointing out to our fellow ISG members that such contacts can also be occasionally disadvantageous if not used wisely! As we say in the old country " the old dog for the hard road and leave the pup on the path". I was not trying to teach you something which I am sure you already knew. Travel well fellow member.

[Faceless78]

Indeed, over the months I have spent thousands of euro on the girl and she does a genuinely good session for me doing all the naughty things I like but she does not like anal that much and only does to please me per her words. Indeed she does look in pain when my cock is in her arsehole, asking only that I hurry up and come rather than prolong the anal fucking. I wonder if this is what Sirioja means by rude sex?
.Now I feel lucky that the girl that I've spent thousands on this year only asked me for a new phone, she seems to be really kind in this comparison LOL.

[PussyLiccker]

Some girls tried the "and then you only go to the room with me and no other girl" on me. Failed.

HB.Me neither. I think it's ridiculous a girl that's servicing multiple men requiring the guys to only go with her. I had this happen with a new girl at a club. I didn't understand why she got upset I went with her friend. 2nd session, she would not kiss the same, and say she was upset that I asked her for her friend. Another girl got upset for a reason I still can't fathom. It may have been due to me going with another girl, and perhaps she wanted me to only go with her.

[Faceless78]

Really helpful and interesting experiences from everybody. It's very complicated since if it turns out a girl really has strong feelings that can be really difficult. One worker got to the point where she said that if people had sex then it meant they should be married: somehow she could have sex with other customers, no problem, but with me sex was only permissible if we got married. This also happened with another worker. It was a real nuisance. They were willing to meet and chat for free, but no more sex.

One time it got even wierder and one girl made it quite clear she didn't want me to visit FKKs at all.!

Less problematical recently a worker kept asking me to stay and making upset faces, so I said that living with her in a clubroom was both far too expensive and not a life: she howled with laughter. I said I had run out of money, at which point she decided it was to allow me leave.

Knowing people makes a great life :)It's really nice to learn that many of here share the the similar experiences or feelings. I started FKK alone, and most of my clubs partner were brought in by me, so when I faced some situations you guys mentioned, I was all on my own. Now I know I'm not alone LOL.

I was running into a good girl during my early visit, and she gave me the best time during that period, so I took her as my only girl and now I realize she probably took me as her jackpot;.

I've been asked for financial support by girls in vacations, with all kinds of excuses, and I sent several times by WU, mostly because I didn't know how to refuse, but the amount was small and I stopped at some point;.

Smartphone is the most frequent gift that girls have asked, the biggest one was a car, but never an apartment LOL;.

In every clubs I visit regularly, I've got some "girl friends", those are the girls that I'll never session with, but we share many nice conversations, playing games, diner sth. I tried to pay them some tips before but most of them refused the money, so now I just offer some free meal (like in Oase), cigarette, beer occasionally;.

I've traveled to Bucarest to visit a certain girl, luckily she waited for me outside the airport, we had some great days together without involving money. Though things changed later it's another story;.

One girl also brought about the marriage topic to me from late last year to early this year, until I figured out she's not joking, or at least half joking half serious. I started to keep away from her and to see her less and less and now no more, for the pressure she gave me (she told this to her friends as well) and some other unexpected reasons. The interesting thing is that now I think a lot about her, even more than the time when I saw her regularly. Maybe it's guilty or something;.

I keep personal contact with some girls, some are interested to chat with, some bother me too much; one only send sticks, one ignore me for days then reply with a long long message. BTW I no longer talk with the one who only sends me moving sticks, because I find it too stupid and boring: with her I didn't know how to reply but sending some sticks back as well, then our conversation went non-stop like this;.

I'm not sure if there are more but these seem to be all I can recall for the moment.

Every man has his own stories, it's always great to share and hear.

[Optimist]

Faceless, thank you for the entertaining, informative, and primarily helpful post.

Every relationship in life is two way, in the sense that each side has to get something out of it. The hard part comes when one side abuses their power.

[PussyLiccker]

Wise words. Reading some reports, even by veterans (I am not thinking about Sirioja in particular), it seems pretty clear that the reporter cannot separate girl talk (ego boost talk to make you feel special) from facts. And, just to be clear, there is a absolutely no wrong in what the girl is doing: It's her job to charm and seduce you trying to hook you up and fuck your brains out you within 60 seconds (and to keep you interested after the deed). It's rather impressive sometimes. I wish I had the skills myself when going out on a Saturday night with regular girls! :)

Just a few examples:

- During slow sex: "I love it when you fuck me slow. You make sex feel so sensational. Not like the other clueless guys who just fuck so hard".

- During intense fucking (sometimes same girl): "Oh, it feels so good to be fucked by a real man. I am so tired of fucking old guys who do not have the power to fuck".

- Questioning the point of DATY when she has been fucking all day: "I fuck all day, but I never get stimulated. Guys are only thinking about their own pleasure". And then the guy go down on her (another 50 E earned).

- Making a guy feel guilty or being one of the few decent guys around by playing vulnerable to make you stay / come back more often: "There are no men around! This club is a failure!" (in fact, last night she had 20 lovers). "Can I sit with you? That guy over there freaks me out. I think he is a pimp / stalker". Yeah, right.

- Or she will make up stories how she needs money for her kids and family, or, if you show some interest, tell horror stories about threats by pimps. Or, that SHE does not have a pimp, but she knows that all the other girls have. Of course. That is an easy way of getting rid of competition. Can you separate girl talk from when she really speaks the truth? Always?

- I once complimented a girl (some incognito Oase girl) for her moves during sex. I had had a long day with too much fun and had problems cuming, but her moves were sensational and just sucked the last drops out of me making me climax very hard. She said that as a young girl in the business she needed to learn this quickly to survive, as too many guys just look for the youngest ones to fuck them as hard as they can. Knowing how to finish a guy fast can sometimes be crucial, although it appears that she is just enjoying it.Oh for sure. Charm give you an upper hand, and girls that use it well, helps their business. They are in a service industry after all. But, they have to have different type of charming skills than a car sales man or a business man of course. I think it's higher and difficulty level is high since they sometimes have to get the avg to worse looking guys off. Thinking about it, it is kinda like reverse roles. I was complaining about how some of the girls say the same crap, and it's pretty much like when the guys make some lame pick up lines. Some get creative, but if you heard enough of them, you start to question them a bit.

LOL. This one will work on me:

- Making a guy feel guilty or being one of the few decent guys around by playing vulnerable to make you stay / come back more often: "There are no men around! This club is a failure!" (in fact, last night she had 20 lovers). "Can I sit with you? That guy over there freaks me out. I think he is a pimp / stalker". Yeah, right.

I will be that white knight in the FKK club to be the protector. Yes siree. That is me, the non-scary one that smells real nice, and comfy like a teddy bear. LOL.

I had a girl like that as well, who after few days of doing multiple girls a day she amazingly got me to finish twice. She was erotic as hell, but also cold as hell outside the room. She don't approach guys and looks a bit stuck up, but one of those types that are a surprise. I don't recommend other guys to look for these surprise types, it doesn't happen frequently, and probably lots of bad sessions to run into one. I guess finishing guys off quick is an art form so that they can save their privates for more work. This is why experienced girls are weary of certain types like young guys. After some experience they will look for certain types, the easy ones.

[Optimist]

One clever girl has the brilliant idea of giving me songs about secret passions and lovers who have to part temporarily. It's like sending messages, but in a way which doesn't make her look exploitative. It works well on me.

What also works well on me are the more straightforward statements, if done well either with sincerity or feigned sincerity. Such as, you are special..., age does not count..., I have strong feelings for you..., I don't tell this to anybody else..., if you were not married... in a different life I would like to have seen if we could be together...I would like you to meet my mother....you look after your body...and so on. If badly done it is at least something to joke about, teasing her for bad acting. The most amazing ones are when a girl refuses to have sex because she says she has feelings for me.

I never believe these until the girl offers something for free, such as extended time.

[McAdonis]

The most amazing ones are when a girl refuses to have sex because she says she has feelings for me.
Before the WG started refusing you, how long had you been a customer? How many sessions had you had leading up to the refusal?



I never believe these until the girl offers something for free, such as extended time.
Concur. But I guess it all depends. A free 30 minute of time tacked onto a one hour session every once in a while would be a token gesture-if the customer had spent 5000 EUR on a girl over the course of the year. Airlines offer loyalty programs, why not WGs!!

[McAdonis]

This is an old news story but a few years back the police in Ireland took away a blonde, blue-eyed child from a Roma household. Later DNA tests proved that the child was indeed related to the Roma family:

http://www.thejournal.ie/tallaght-dna-1144053-Oct2013/

Although rare, I suppose it is possible for gypsies to have such features. Makes you wonder how many FKK of your favorite girls lie about being gypsy or half-gypsy because they are light enough to pass for being a mainstream Romanian.

According to these figures, Roma make up 8. 6 percent of Romanian population:

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-cooperation-in-romania_in-roma-villages--between-poverty-and-hope-of-integration/41397610

But we have to assume that they disproportionately represented among the poorest communities in Romania, so let's say that 15 percent of the people living below the poverty line in Romania are gypsy. As the poorest, and most-discriminated group, I would think that the gypsy in Romania have the greatest motivation to leave their country--provided they can scrap together enough money, or get financed by a "fish" or "manager".

Some of these girls--as children--may have been forced by their parents to beg for money or steal. Society has looked down upon them their whole lives. Perhaps they have even been verbally abused by complete strangers-so making the transition to being a working girl, probably is not a big deal for them.

[PussyLiccker]

The term Gypsy derives from Egyptian supposedly, and they are actually group of nomadic people originated from India were mistakenly labeled as such. Parents can carry recessive Genes to produce offspring that look totally different racially.

I have met a Ro Gypsy at Oase that was proud of being one, and was wearing some gypsy outfit at the club, and showed me pictures of gypsy outfit on her smartphone. I took her since she seemed pretty attractive, and it turned out that she provided honest services, and no tricks or ripoff attempted. I've heard about Romani people in Italy that uses tricks to steal from tourists. I've heard that Ro don't like to say they are out from rural places. I guess it's an insult for a girl to say a girl is from outside the city, and is unsophisticated. Like for example, a girl may say, she is not from the city, she does everything. Something of that sorts I guess. I guess girls outside the city are looked down upon. I would guess Ro girls will not admit they are from outside the city as I don't think a Ro girl has ever told me other than a city. This could be due to it being easier to say the city name as it's more easily recognized. I guess stuff like this would be more common in some cultures, and developing or poor countries.

[PussyLiccker]

That article says Hungry 7.9%, and Bulgaria 9.94%. So, I suppose there could be girls that come from Hungry and Bulgaria that are Roma decent.

Supposedly, Elvis Presley is Gypsy. And Snooky from Jersey shore is has gypsy roots. Charlie Chaplin also.

[Optimist]

Before the WG started refusing you, how long had you been a customer? How many sessions had you had leading up to the refusal?

Concur. But I guess it all depends. A free 30 minute of time tacked onto a one hour session every once in a while would be a token gesture-if the customer had spent 5000 EUR on a girl over the course of the year. Airlines offer loyalty programs, why not WGs!!In both cases, between one and two years. Number of sessions? Well if we count number of half hours (I normally took long sessions) I would guess maybe 200 hours a year with each (not at the same time) give or take. What transforms the dynamic is that I don't live in Germany, so the pattern is several days of long sessions followed by maybe six weeks absence.

One gave me substantial free time. The other did not but occasionally met me for a coffee and chat. After the refusal of sex they were happy to remain friends and stay in touch, and they were happy to meet in FKK.

Only thing I am sure of is that they were not playing games since I know I am an easy customer sex wise.

[UltraHappy]

Dear HB,

Please fix the squirrel situation in your country. Many of us have important "business" we need to conduct in your country, so, yeah, could you take care of this please?

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2015/07/09/Squirrel-virus-may-have-killed-3-German-men/8211436468007/

Thanks,

UH.

[The Cane]

This is an old news story but a few years back the police in Ireland took away a blonde, blue-eyed child from a Roma household. Later DNA tests proved that the child was indeed related to the Roma family:

http://www.thejournal.ie/tallaght-dna-1144053-Oct2013/

Although rare, I suppose it is possible for gypsies to have such features. Makes you wonder how many FKK of your favorite girls lie about being gypsy or half-gypsy because they are light enough to pass for being a mainstream Romanian.Anybody recall this story out of Greece from a few years back?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2476772/DNA-test-confirms-Bulgarian-woman-IS-natural-mother-blonde-haired-Maria.html

[Exodus8]

Dear HB,

Please fix the squirrel situation in your country. Many of us have important "business" we need to conduct in your country, so, yeah, could you take care of this please?

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2015/07/09/Squirrel-virus-may-have-killed-3-German-men/8211436468007/

Thanks,

UH.Yeah I can imagine HB go hunting squirrels for the greater good of all ISGer or thinking "great more gals for me" haha.

HB hunting after the squirrels kills his fav gals, LOL

[Hessen Bub]

Who the hell is breeding frickin squirrels? I'd breed working girls up to my specs if I had the space and time. LOL. At least they wouldn't transfer any viruses when biting.

HB.

[Optimist]

HB :D

The squirrel in the picture is one of the invasive, American rodent squirrels, not one of the native sweet charming German squirrels :)

[Hessen Bub]

Ah. That explains a lot. :D It was "an exotic breed native to southern Mexico and Central America". Good that I stick to Southern European squirrels mostly.

HB.

[Citizen Kane]

Who the hell is breeding frickin squirrels? I'd breed working girls up to my specs if I had the space and time. LOL. At least they wouldn't transfer any viruses when biting.

HB.Is the virus sexually transmitted?

[FiddyCent]

Is the virus sexually transmitted?To answer your question Citizen Kane. I believe, as long as you do not feed them your nuts, the squirrels will not bite. You might actually have to pay them an extra 50 Euros before they even come close. LOL!

FiddyCent.

[Cf211]

Every man has his own stories, it's always great to share and hear.

Indeed it is nice to read others experiences, sometimes all the things she said is running throw your head so many times, that in the end they mean whatever you want them to mean.

Then it is nice to read here what they also could mean.

No blame on the girls, actually I think that some of us including myself sometimes is looking for troubles- I mean I am not quite sure all of us only need her contacts to arrange future meetings.

I have learned so much from my mistakes, that I am thinking to make a few more).

[Faceless78]

I have learned so much from my mistakes, that I am thinking to make a few more).Can't agree more, I'm always making some more of them. What I've really learnt from previous experience is not to go too far.

[Dufey]

With my nearly weekly visits since beginning of 2014 , all my favs gave me good time and were very honest with me, no extra, no tip never asked, even I had problems with my ex fav for last time and she is Romanian, I will never say she was not honest for 1 year and no problems with most of my many Romanian girls met. Only 1 problem at World for me with a girl and I like her, not my last favs, who proposed me something for 30 000 , that was our last room, too expensive for me.Taking this excerpt from the World thread as another example of girls asking for Financial Support. In this case, a World girl asked Sirioja for €30,000 for what he does not say. It can be surmised the request is to help the girl financially for no recompense to Sirioja, appealing to his good nature and regular customer status with her as the claim on those monies.

[Sirioja]

Taking this excerpt from the World thread as another example of girls asking for Financial Support. In this case, a World girl asked Sirioja for 30,000 for what he does not say. It can be surmised the request is to help the girl financially for no recompense to Sirioja, appealing to his good nature and regular customer status with her as the claim on those monies.She was my 1st quite regular girl at World, it was our 5th room in 1 month, in March 2014, she is very playful in room and of course she proposed me something if I gave her 30.000 , but I would have to kill all the Romanian pimps all over the World to get her free. She is still at World, still friendly, still smiling, still asking " Mon. Chéri, you want me?" and more often last times because she knows I'm free now. When she asked me this, we were kissing and then l didn't want to touch her anymore even pretty girl.

My friend met a girl at World, he went to room twice 2 hours with her and she stayed from 8 pm to 4 am with him. They shared their phone number and was also asked for money the day after.

Also my blond spider Russian look top model at LR asked me to help her when she returned to Romania in March. She wrote me she was very sick and needed to go to doctor in Italy, no doctor in Bucarest?

Phone number and Whatsapp may become a problem.

I knew a man in love with a girl at Palast Freiburg, he sent her 30 000 to buy a house for them in Romania, but bad luck she lost his number and her phone and disappeared from Palast.

But most of my favs never asked me for any extra, nor a tip. Many Romanian girls are honest.

[Mr Ho]

Taking this excerpt from the World thread as another example of girls asking for Financial Support. In this case, a World girl asked Sirioja for 30,000 for what he does not say. It can be surmised the request is to help the girl financially for no recompense to Sirioja, appealing to his good nature and regular customer status with her as the claim on those monies.30,000 Euro should get you 600 of 30 minute session with her in the room LOL.

[Hessen Bub]

was our 5th room in 1 month, in March 2014, she is very playful in room and of course she proposed me something if I gave her 30.000 ,

Also my blond spider Russian look top model at LR asked me to help her when she returned to Romania in March. She wrote me she was very sick and needed to go to doctor in Italy, no doctor in Bucarest?

They seem to see you as an easy target. Maybe too classy ghost girls.

HB.

[Member #4581]

I am guessing there is a typo below, is that 9000 per month, or 100 per day? Or was it just for 10 days and not a full month?

Even if it is 3000 per month, and especially if that includes travel expenses on her part, (and would she expect to stay with you, or would you have to rent a hotel for her, or she pays for her own hotel? That seems like a pretty inexpensive deal, considering that many girls seem to be demanding 800 and upwards for a single day.




Saying all that, there are advantages to striking up friendships with some of these girls, provided you are willing to capitalize on the relationship. Recently enough, one of my FKK working girl acquaintances offered to come to my home town for a month for a cost to me of Euro 3000 (or Euro 300/ day). My guess is that I could have very easily negotiated this price down by maybe a third. I believe this girl is perhaps seeking more than money (perhaps a better life) and that is why I was given this offer. I have not (yet!) accepted this proposal, although from time to time I still consider it.

[Hessen Bub]

3,000€/ month if he is paying all her expenses, travel, food, accommodation could be possible, depending on the girl and her intentions.

HB.

[Capt Dan]

I am guessing there is a typo below, is that 9000 per month, or 100 per day? Or was it just for 10 days and not a full month?

Even if it is 3000 per month, and especially if that includes travel expenses on her part, (and would she expect to stay with you, or would you have to rent a hotel for her, or she pays for her own hotel? That seems like a pretty inexpensive deal, considering that many girls seem to be demanding 800 and upwards for a single day.
3,000/ month if he is paying all her expenses, travel, food, accommodation could be possible, depending on the girl and her intentions.

HB.Hessen Bub is correct €3000/ month including expenses. She would stay with me (in my home). She's a Romanian Gypsy and rather attractive (less than 25) and I'm a fine specimen of manhood originally from the Emerald Isle and almost double her age! Go figure! I think in fairness she is not a hardened prostitute. A very sweet girl really and perhaps she sees a chance at some sort of a better life. She certainly would not be visiting me for the paycheck. But it seems like too much of a risk of a commitment for me to take her up on this offer!

But I've had similar offers in the past and have rented girls for the whole day (or more realistically 10 or 12 hours) in some of the bigger Hessen Clubs for €500 or less. Sometimes it pays to be nice guy and treat the ladies well. It also helps if you travel with guys who know their way around these clubs and spend considerable money (or perhaps regularly spend a reasonable amount of money). You can kinda travel in their wake if you catch my meaning.

[UltraHappy]

3,000/ month if he is paying all her expenses, travel, food, accommodation could be possible, depending on the girl and her intentions.

HB.3,000 Euro / month? I'm ready to sign that contract. Just tell me where to sign. We just need to figure out how to get her a visa to the States.

[Mr Ho]

Benefit of prostitution is not just sex, it is partly paying her to go away after sex.

So if you even manage to secure her for 30000 Euro. I do not think she would be going away easily when you decide to cut her off the contract after one year or two. In State. She might team up with lawyer to even sue you for more money. Of course lawyer will get their legal fee payment with some % and most likely also including some sex or blowjob LOL).

I guess you can have fun with FKK girls outside club for fun for sometime. But long term deal like this may lead to trouble as it will be hard to get rid of her when you no longer require her sexual service or companionship.

In the end, Women especially those in FKK are all about money honey LOL

[Member #4581]

OK, 3000 a month would be a hundred a day.

I guess it would be the less busy girls that might accept such a deal, most likely. I remember Roxana claiming she makes 800, even a thou, some days.

As UH says, it has to be a close EU destination as well. Most of these FKK girls never stepped foot inthe US, although anyone can visit as a tourist for a few days, I suppose. I remember this one popular girl at sharks telling me she was going to visit miami or cancun this summer, but when I saw her in June at sharks, she seemed despondent and said she is still planning to, not sure when. My guess is she had no money to visit, although she had claimed she had a very good friend who hosts her in the US.

[Faceless78]

OK, 3000 a month would be a hundred a day.

I guess it would be the less busy girls that might accept such a deal, most likely. I remember Roxana claiming she makes 800, even a thou, some days.

As UH says, it has to be a close EU destination as well. Most of these FKK girls never stepped foot inthe US, although anyone can visit as a tourist for a few days, I suppose. I remember this one popular girl at sharks telling me she was going to visit miami or cancun this summer, but when I saw her in June at sharks, she seemed despondent and said she is still planning to, not sure when. My guess is she had no money to visit, although she had claimed she had a very good friend who hosts her in the US.800-1000 is probably not an extremely high number, top girls can make around 1000-1200 on a busy weekend day. I once knew a girl who was sad for only making 600 one day, made 1600 on a mess day, 12000-14000 per month, 100,000 for 8 months and retired. I invited her once for dating outside she asked for 1000 without staying the night over. I've also heard some girls providing 500,600/ day menu, but they are, as you mentioned, "less busy" ones.

[McAdonis]

Which clubs have Klima? Maybe somebody can make a list, as it has been hot over the last few weeks and no end in sight.

Sharks. Only upstairs caves?

Yin Yang. Main floor is a sauna, one room I was in had no Klima.

GT. Two Klima units on main floor.

ACA. Main floor has two Klima units, rooms no.

Palace. Yes.

How about others?? Mainhattan maybe? Someone mentioned Bahama having Klima. That may be high on my list!

[Ableyone]

Which clubs have Klima? Samya. Yes.

LR in the main room and at least one of the rooms up by the girl's changing room.

[McAdonis]

Samya. Yes.

LR in the main room and at least one of the rooms up by the girl's changing room.Samya felt a little warm on the main floor. Nice that they have those self closing doors to the kitchen though. I had a room on the bottom floor and yes the Klima felt good!

[Capt Dan]

OK, 3000 a month would be a hundred a day.

I guess it would be the less busy girls that might accept such a deal, most likely. I remember Roxana claiming she makes 800, even a thou, some days.

As UH says, it has to be a close EU destination as well. Most of these FKK girls never stepped foot inthe US, although anyone can visit as a tourist for a few days, I suppose. I remember this one popular girl at sharks telling me she was going to visit miami or cancun this summer, but when I saw her in June at sharks, she seemed despondent and said she is still planning to, not sure when. My guess is she had no money to visit, although she had claimed she had a very good friend who hosts her in the US.
800-1000 is probably not an extremely high number, top girls can make around 1000-1200 on a busy weekend day. I once knew a girl who was sad for only making 600 one day, made 1600 on a mess day, 12000-14000 per month, 100,000 for 8 months and retired. I invited her once for dating outside she asked for 1000 without staying the night over. I've also heard some girls providing 500,600/ day menu, but they are, as you mentioned, "less busy" ones.Now now good chaps, do you think that good ol Dan is too stingy to pay for a proper prostitute or is prepared to go with some cheap ho who looks like the back end of a rusty ol bus! You do me a great disservice! Now please do think again! However, I hear what you are both saying and I can follow your logic but I can certainly assure you that you are wrong (at least in my particular case). So lets agree to disagree. Most of the girls I have had offers from were attractive by any man's standards (some very attractive). They tended to be less driven than some of the girls who strive to earn big piles of euros every day in the clubs. They were also (I believe) without a boyfriend / manager (pimp!) in tow or were at least between boyfriend / manager / pimp. So outside pressure to earn big was not there either. They also tended to be new to the game and had not been working in the sex industry for more than a year or two (although not always the case). They all certainly wanted to move on to something different. So guys forget about the hardened hookers who view every man as a walking wallet. I am talking about club acquaintances with whom I was / am on friendly terms (for various reasons). But hey, we go to these clubs for fun and don't necessarily want to get involved in any complicated entanglements.

[Member #4581]

They might quit the biz after making or even saving up a hundred grand, but can't have much of a retirement, especially at the age of 22 or 25. I am a lot older and I would be ecstatic if all I needed for retirement was a hundred grand savings, LOL. And most of these girls are totally not savvy in financial matters, and my guess is, they would blow through that hundred grand in a couple of years, even if it is a low cost location like Romania.


800-1000 is probably not an extremely high number, top girls can make around 1000-1200 on a busy weekend day. I once knew a girl who was sad for only making 600 one day, made 1600 on a mess day, 12000-14000 per month, 100,000 for 8 months and retired. I invited her once for dating outside she asked for 1000 without staying the night over. I've also heard some girls providing 500,600/ day menu, but they are, as you mentioned, "less busy" ones.

[Faceless78]

They might quit the biz after making or even saving up a hundred grand, but can't have much of a retirement, especially at the age of 22 or 25. I am a lot older and I would be ecstatic if all I needed for retirement was a hundred grand savings, LOL. And most of these girls are totally not savvy in financial matters, and my guess is, they would blow through that hundred grand in a couple of years, even if it is a low cost location like Romania.Sure, we've seen girls coming back after their "retirement", and also many do quit the job and leave for good. So when some girl is about to leave, I don't expect her to be back, just wish her good luck; of course if she dose, that's a nice surprise hah. It just happened for a girl in samya.

It's not a very pleasant job beside the cash you earned, so I fully understand why the girl I mentioned left in hurry. I chatted with her little bit shortly after her retirement, she told me she's thinking of buying an appartement and a car and go to school, and I also know that she gives some to her family members too, so, I guess you are right, money is burning.

Last time I checked her FB, she seems to have a man and looks quite happy, though I miss her sometimes, wish she enjoy her life more.

[TankTank123]

She was my 1st quite regular girl at World, it was our 5th room in 1 month, in March 2014, she is very playful in room and of course she proposed me something if I gave her 30.000 Would this be Oana?

[Optimist]

Would this be Oana?Sounds like Oana. She never set her sights below the financial stars. Asked me for 8000, for starters. The result was that my sessions with her got fewer and fewer.

[Optimist]

Faceless.Burning money. I know a worker who is now retired but was one of the top earners over a period of say three years. She didn't save in the good times and is now downsizing housing to make ends meet.

Another girl saved carefully to build up her next career and after hard work and a lot of difficulty has built a new life, and has a partner.

Two outcomes from the same earnings.

As for the job not being pleasant. Some girls really like the job as it can give independence and they like it better than even well paid normal jobs. They like the adoration of customers amongst other things

[Hessen Bub]

Sounds like Oana. She never set her sights below the financial stars. Asked me for 8000, for starters. The result was that my sessions with her got fewer and fewer.In about two dozen sessions she never asked me for money. Well, not besides the standard price for the time we spent. LOL. Guess she knew I'm a cheapskate.

HB.

[Optimist]

HB, I obviously look to be very soft :D

[Optimist]

Jnpr30. Which Roxana?

[Member #4581]

I meant, Roxana of Sharks, lately of sillies.

But from what many people say here, apparently 800 a day is not that big of a deal, definitely not on busy weekends for the popular girls like Sandra. Heck, I have myself given 300 to 350 for a couple of separate 60 or 90 min sessions, with an extra thrown in. And the girl still had several hours to make money from the other punters.


Jnpr30. Which Roxana?

[Dufey]

I meant, Roxana of Sharks, lately of sillies.

But from what many people say here, apparently 800 a day is not that big of a deal, definitely not on busy weekends for the popular girls like Sandra. Heck, I have myself given 300 to 350 for a couple of separate 60 or 90 min sessions, with an extra thrown in. And the girl still had several hours to make money from the other punters.800 per day is not a big deal to the girls. Maybe to some but not to others especially when it is the weekend.

Midweek it is more of a proposition for that type of cold hard cash.

[Hessen Bub]

800 per day is not a big deal to the girls. Maybe to some but not to others especially when it is the weekend.
Not so sure about that. 800€ per day as an average is a lot. There's plenty of girls hardly making their entry from Monday to Thursday. So if a girl is working five days a week from Tuesday to Saturday, making 400 on Tuesday, 500 on Wednesday, 600 on Thursday she needs to make 1250 on Friday and Saturday. That's maybe the the top 25% in a club, just a wild guess.

HB.

[Skeden80]

Not so sure about that. 800 per day as an average is a lot. There's plenty of girls hardly making their entry from Monday to Thursday. So if a girl is working five days a week from Tuesday to Saturday, making 400 on Tuesday, 500 on Wednesday, 600 on Thursday she needs to make 1250 on Friday and Saturday. That's maybe the the top 25% in a club, just a wild guess.

HB.It must also vary a lot if girl are working only day shift, which I assume give a lot less $$. In average I believe most girls don't make 800 a day, but less. Of course there are some good performing girls that earns a lot every night, but those must be few.

[Dufey]

Not so sure about that. 800 per day as an average is a lot. There's plenty of girls hardly making their entry from Monday to Thursday. So if a girl is working five days a week from Tuesday to Saturday, making 400 on Tuesday, 500 on Wednesday, 600 on Thursday she needs to make 1250 on Friday and Saturday. That's maybe the the top 25% in a club, just a wild guess.

HB.These figures are gross figures.

One or two Oase girls say that they netted maybe 5000 to 6000 per month which is what some mid level person at Deutsche bank makes.

I presume netted means their take home pay after paying entrance fees and transport and housing.

[Member #4581]

I think my earlier point was that a girl could potentially make a hundred grand a year, probably much more, but not necessarily save as much. Even if they live in shitty rooms etc, they are prone to frivolous shopping and don't have good financial instincts and who knows how much is taken away in "management fee". Also, it seems their time at their peak is relatively short. Roxana seemed to have a couple of good years, but starting to slide and in a year or two her bookings and earnings will clearly be less. So, retiring for life and living a good life on savings from a few years in this biz is a pipe dream for most.

[Hessen Bub]

These figures are gross figures.

Yes. So? Still tough to achieve. You brought up the 800/ day. So what did you refer to? Gross? Hard enough. Net? Even harder.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

I think my earlier point was that a girl could potentially make a hundred grand a year, probably much more, but not necessarily save as much. Even if they live in shitty rooms etc, they are prone to frivolous shopping and don't have good financial instincts and who knows how much is taken away in "management fee". Also, it seems their time at their peak is relatively short. Roxana seemed to have a couple of good years, but starting to slide and in a year or two her bookings and earnings will clearly be less. So, retiring for life and living a good life on savings from a few years in this biz is a pipe dream for most.I think those girls who are doing it for some goal like paying for university or open some business of theirs has some possibility to good future.

Those who do it just for sake of money with no particular plan why they do FKK works has very limited possibility for blight future and end up keep coming back to FKK to work. Well in some cases it is very nice thing to see my old flames coming back to FKK scene after years of disappearance but with same figure and face .

[Capt Dan]

I think my earlier point was that a girl could potentially make a hundred grand a year, probably much more, but not necessarily save as much. Even if they live in shitty rooms etc, they are prone to frivolous shopping and don't have good financial instincts and who knows how much is taken away in "management fee". Also, it seems their time at their peak is relatively short. Roxana seemed to have a couple of good years, but starting to slide and in a year or two her bookings and earnings will clearly be less. So, retiring for life and living a good life on savings from a few years in this biz is a pipe dream for most.Many of the girls have a male somewhere in the background, be he a boyfriend, husband, business manager or perhaps she belongs to an organisation. There are plenty who want to share in the profits of this game. Even girls who work independently are financing another family member or perhaps their own child. One wonders how many manage to get away from this type of life ahead of the game? Some I suppose but perhaps not all that many. What is certain is that the money available in Germany is definitely better than what can be earned in Romania / Bulgaria / Moldova. So there is perhaps the chance of a better life for some. But they need to have wise heads and avoid the pitfalls of this game like drugs (which are readily available in the clubs) and working not for themselves!

[McAdonis]

Many of the girls have a male somewhere in the background, be he a boyfriend, husband, business manager or perhaps she belongs to an organisation. There are plenty who want to share in the profits of this game. Even girls who work independently are financing another family member or perhaps their own child. One wonders how many manage to get away from this type of life ahead of the game? Some I suppose but perhaps not all that many. What is certain is that the money available in Germany is definitely better than what can be earned in Romania / Bulgaria / Moldova. So there is perhaps the chance of a better life for some. But they need to have wise heads and avoid the pitfalls of this game like drugs (which are readily available in the clubs) and working not for themselves!I don't think many of the girls could do it by themselves. Even from modest circumstances, not many girls in their 20's will venture out on their own, without being "encouraged" or without having some support system. What landlord is going to rent a flat to a young girl who can't speak German and can't prove that she has a legitimate income (I. E. Stable employment in which she pays taxes).

The girls seem to go home every two months, and some stay as long as six months, so my question is how are they getting this money home to Romania? And where are they stockpiling this money while they are working in DE? Are they keeping thousands of EUR under their mattress in Offenbach? I don't think it is being deposited into DE banks. It wouldn't be smart to bring thousands of EUR across the border. There are a lot Romanians working abroad in Western Europe, so there are certainly legitimate money wiring services that can transfer cash money for a fee. These services probably cater to the many Romanian housekeepers, construction workers working "under the table" or "in the black", but these people aren't wiring large sums or making frequent wiring transactions, whereas the girls would be. So that option is probably out for them.

They need probably an illicit organization. Or people helping them that will take a cut. I suppose that is better than paying taxes on that money. IDK.

[Faceless78]

I don't think many of the girls could do it by themselves. Even from modest circumstances, not many girls in their 20's will venture out on their own, without being "encouraged" or without having some support system. What landlord is going to rent a flat to a young girl who can't speak German and can't prove that she has a legitimate income (I. E. Stable employment in which she pays taxes).

The girls seem to go home every two months, and some stay as long as six months, so my question is how are they getting this money home to Romania? And where are they stockpiling this money while they are working in DE? Are they keeping thousands of EUR under their mattress in Offenbach? I don't think it is being deposited into DE banks. It wouldn't be smart to bring thousands of EUR across the border. There are a lot Romanians working abroad in Western Europe, so there are certainly legitimate money wiring services that can transfer cash money for a fee. These services probably cater to the many Romanian housekeepers, construction workers working "under the table" or "in the black", but these people aren't wiring large sums or making frequent wiring transactions, whereas the girls would be. So that option is probably out for them.

They need probably an illicit organization. Or people helping them that will take a cut. I suppose that is better than paying taxes on that money. IDK.I've this doubt in mind too, if you ask girls, they'll say they send the money back to romanian every several weeks (depends on how fast they reach a certain amount), but I don't think they use de banks or WU.

Last Decembre I was talking to one girl who stayed home for holidays, she mentioned something like she will get all her money back in June 2015; another one says her family back home can withdraw cash only at 2nd of every month from the "bank". So I suppose there must be a sort of organization or system working in between.

[TankTank123]

A girl I had known for a few years once asked me for help. She wanted to give me 9,900 euros to wire to a bank account in Romania. Seems that 10,000 euros is the limit. I did not agree even though she kept on assuring me that other clients had no problems doing this transaction before.

[McAdonis]

Interesting insights.

TT123,

Probably a good idea to not abet her tax evasion scheme.

"If they want to risk the banking system, money launderers break up large amounts of cash and enlist different people to make deposits below 10,000 Euro – the threshold for any entities receiving money to report a transaction. This is called 'smurfing'. However, if you're a criminal thinking of using this technique, be warned. The 10,000 Euro limit is not an absolute. Investigators can check repeat amounts under this figure if they have been made several times using the same bank account. ".

http://www.thediplomat.ro/reports_1206_1.htm

Romania number #2 worst tax evasion offender, behind you guessed it Italy #1:

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/tax-evasion-hits-romanian-budget-hard-1

[Mr Ho]

They need probably an illicit organization. Or people helping them that will take a cut. I suppose that is better than paying taxes on that money. IDK.Yeah PIMP The word I only heard on hip hop music until I begin my FKK venture where I get to know such occupation actually exist.

It was surprised to know some pimps make millions doing this and sometimes you see them in FKK clubs.

[TankTank123]

McA,
Thanks for the advice. It did not occur to me that it could be a tax evasion scheme. What I was worried about was that she could perhaps be attempting to bypass a pimp, and I would then risk getting beaten up!

[UltraHappy]

McA,
Thanks for the advice. It did not occur to me that it could be a tax evasion scheme. What I was worried about was that she could perhaps be attempting to bypass a pimp, and I would then risk getting beaten up!It's likely that the tax folks blocked her ability to send cash via Western Union after too many transfers without any taxes showing from her. It is not uncommon for girls to look for other people to help send their money home since their name is blocked or flagged by the tax folks. Likely not trying to bypass a pimp. If that were the problem, she could just go to Western Union and wire the money herself.


Interesting insights.

"If they want to risk the banking system, money launderers break up large amounts of cash and enlist different people to make deposits below 10,000 Euro the threshold for any entities receiving money to report a transaction. This is called 'smurfing'. However, if you're a criminal thinking of using this technique, be warned. The 10,000 Euro limit is not an absolute. Investigators can check repeat amounts under this figure if they have been made several times using the same bank account. ".
Despite that rule, "for years, Hong Kong's most prolific money launderer was a teenager named Luo Juncheng, who originally opened a Bank of China account with a $500 deposit. During the next eight months, he made nearly 5,000 deposits, and more than 3,500 withdrawals electronically, moving $1. 67 billion offshore before attracting notice. He was sentenced to 10 years in prison in 2013 bad news for the smurf, and his clients.

Other smurfs come to attention of authorities through their flamboyant lifestyles. In March, another Hong Kong resident, Carson Yeung, was sentenced to six years for laundering $91.27 million through his bank accounts between 2001 and 2007. A former hairdresser who'the since bought the UK's Birmingham City football team, he claimed he had accumulated hundreds of millions of dollars in profits from stock trades, a hair salon, and gambling. ".

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/beginners-guide-to-money-laundering-2014-10.

Perhaps the banking system has gotten more sophisticated since those days long past in 2013? On the other hand, I doubt the girls are transferring amounts anywhere close to 91 million dollars or 1. 67 BILLION dollars.

I feel like I'd be a great money launderer. My only problem is that I don't have any illicit money to launder in the first place. First world problems I suppose.

[PussyLiccker]

Something I was curious about. So, I have read that the tax for the girls are 25 Euros a day at certain places. I understand that the money the girls make are cash so it's not booked, unless perhaps some places do. So, is the 25 flat tax the only tax that non-Germans pay? I mean if the funds show up electronically somewhere to be significant enough, that is income that had to come from somewhere that the tax authorities would notice. If a girl for example makes 600 per day, and flat tax is 25, that's 4% tax she is paying. So, I'm guessing that's where the laundering comes in. If the girl has to launder her money, that means they are required to pay additional percentage of their income, correct? So that means, Ro has to pay additional if they hit a certain threshold of income after the flat tax, no? So this doesn't only apply to German WGs?

I have read that Ro pay fixed, and Germans are required to pay addtional on top of 25. For the girls of German nationality, how are the additional tax figured on top of the 25?

[PussyLiccker]

Romania number #2 worst tax evasion offender, behind you guessed it Italy #1:

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/tax-evasion-hits-romanian-budget-hard-1Romania is high, but lots of sources show that Bulgaria is higher and there are many other countries that the shadow economy is greater than Italy. I suppose there are some correlations that can be drawn from it. Like country with most poverty.

http://www.econ.jku.at/members/Schneider/files/publications/2015/ShadEcEurope31.pdf

https://www.atkearney.com/financial-institutions/featured-article/-/asset_publisher/j8IucAqMqEhB/content/the-shadow-economy-in-europe-2013/10192

[TankTank123]

I recently read an article that said that Greeks and Greek companies paid up hardly any taxes this year after Syriza took over. They should therefore top the list when the data is reported next year.

At the other end of the scale, I guess that Switzerland is so low because they officially allow taxation on wealthy residents to be legally mainly 'avoided', so no need for evasion.

[DrDoGood]

I like the small, more intimate FKK clubs. Especially where sex can be had in the open (I. E. Not only in private rooms) so the other girls and guests can watch from pretty close. It just turns me on somehow. Anyone have some recommendations?

I have tried Blue Note in Dusseldorf. It was pretty small but is now closed. Also, I once tried Eva's Club Tabulos in Mönchengladbach which was tiny. Just room for 6-8 people in couches around a coffee table. That size was perfect (although not into the sex without condom that was offered). This club closed a few years ago, so looking for alternatives. It could be partytreff clubs also, but I tend to prefer the FKKs. Anyone?

[UShobbyist]

I like the small, more intimate FKK clubs. Especially where sex can be had in the open (I. E. Not only in private rooms) so the other girls and guests can watch from pretty close. It just turns me on somehow. Anyone have some recommendations?

The swimming pool side BBBJ is quite popular in FKK Sharks right now. If you want to have FS in the open, you can choose one mattress near the outdoor bar of FKK Sharks. Have fun!

[Banana Boi]

I like the small, more intimate FKK clubs. Especially where sex can be had in the open (I. E. Not only in private rooms) so the other girls and guests can watch from pretty close. Sounds like partytreff clubs and some of the AO clubs are more your style since they have plenty of public sex. Check out those threads / forums. Maybe a place like Totalclub Osnabruck.

As for public sex in FKK's it happens but not frequently.

[McAdonis]

I feel like I'd be a great money launderer. My only problem is that I don't have any illicit money to launder in the first place. First world problems I suppose.
Might come in handy if ever you need to dodge alimony payments to baby mommas. It's really about hiding money and under-reporting earnings.


McA,
Thanks for the advice. It did not occur to me that it could be a tax evasion scheme. What I was worried about was that she could perhaps be attempting to bypass a pimp, and I would then risk getting beaten up!Well, I don't think we can completely rule out the fact that she was going behind her pimp's back with that proposition she made to you. It really depends--her "manager" may be an innocent boyfriend from the village back home. If that was the case, he probably would have welcomed your assistance. However, her "manager" may be someone whom she has a strictly business relationship with. The manager may be tapped into the criminal network that can get the money to Romania under the radar for a 10% commission. If that's the case, then you wiring the money for her would have cost the pimp 1000 EURO. Think an ass beating might have been justified in that case! Underreporting earnings isn't taken lightly, whether it be the taxman or the "manager" who is taking their cut.

Getting beaten up might only have been the short term concern. Best case scenario, authorities may come asking you questions. Worst case scenario, they prevent you from entering the country again--forcing you to prematurely retire from your FKK career.



So, is the 25 flat tax the only tax that non-Germans pay?
"Prostitution is legal in Germany but sex workers must pay income tax on their earnings like any other freelancer. ".

They are supposed to register with tax authorities, but they never do. My understanding is the 25 EUR flat tax was just the German authorities giving up. I mean these girls are constantly entering and leaving the country and some don't last long in the business at all. I don't think they have the manpower to chase these girls, especially when its hard to prove cash earnings.

http://www.thelocal.de/20121004/45363



I mean if the funds show up electronically somewhere to be significant enough, that is income that had to come from somewhere that the tax authorities would notice.
Thats the point, she would minimize the amount of electronic funds in her name. She aligns herself with a criminal organization. That criminal organization may have "legitimate businesses" in both Romania and Germany. So she gives 10000 EUR cash to a man in Frankfurt. And a week later, 9000 EUR cash is available for pick up in Romania. Or her unemployed pimp-boyfriend drives the money back to Romania every week.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

Sounds like partytreff clubs and some of the AO clubs are more your style since they have plenty of public sex. Check out those threads / forums. Maybe a place like Totalclub Osnabruck.

As for public sex in FKK's it happens but not frequently.He can fuck in the kino of any FKK, if the girl is willing, although the kino at Oase will be the most public of the ones that I am aware of.

[PussyLiccker]

I like the small, more intimate FKK clubs. Especially where sex can be had in the open (I. E. Not only in private rooms) so the other girls and guests can watch from pretty close. It just turns me on somehow. Anyone have some recommendations?

I have tried Blue Note in Dusseldorf. It was pretty small but is now closed. Also, I once tried Eva's Club Tabulos in Mnchengladbach which was tiny. Just room for 6-8 people in couches around a coffee table. That size was perfect (although not into the sex without condom that was offered). This club closed a few years ago, so looking for alternatives. It could be partytreff clubs also, but I tend to prefer the FKKs. Anyone?Check the Bernds thread. It's a house. Literally with a basement, and little bar, and looks like a normal home inside. Awhile back, I've heard they have times when they promote public sex, and the session will be on the house. Not sure if it still happens. I think it was the most intimate atmosphere I've ever been, and can't Imagine getting anymore than that.

[Boomer10]

Check the Bernds thread. It's a house. Literally with a basement, and little bar, and looks like a normal home inside. Awhile back, I've heard they have times when they promote public sex, and the session will be on the house. Not sure if it still happens. I think it was the most intimate atmosphere I've ever been, and can't Imagine getting anymore than that.They still have Couch-Aktion-Tag. The last one was on April 10. (I was able to attend.) It didn't seem a lot different than an average day to me. If you were selected by one of the girls and agreed to the couch action, the club picked up the fee. (I wasn't selected, oh well) Looking back at their twitter feed, they have the day once or twice a year. Public sex at Bernds happens, if you're interested all you have to do is ask and you'll find a willing partner.

[TankTank123]

They still have Couch-Aktion-Tag. The last one was on April 10. (I was able to attend.) It didn't seem a lot different than an average day to me. If you were selected by one of the girls and agreed to the couch action, the club picked up the fee. (I wasn't selected, oh well) Looking back at their twitter feed, they have the day once or twice a year. Public sex at Bernds happens, if you're interested all you have to do is ask and you'll find a willing partner.I happened to be present on one of the couch action days last summer. The girl I was with (who was not the designated couch-actioner for that day) told me that they only select known customers whom they are certain will cum, and whom they know would provide non-stop action. She ruled me out ever being selected as I am the slow GFE type who would put spectators to sleep!

On normal days, public blow jobs are common. They will even do it right next to you or in front of you. Public sex is less common and I have only seen it done on the basement couches or stools (doggie position). You can also do it in the basement room with the glass wall, where all others can see you and, if I heard correctly, can also request to join in.

[DrDoGood]

I happened to be present on one of the couch action days last summer. The girl I was with (who was not the designated couch-actioner for that day) told me that they only select known customers whom they are certain will cum, and whom they know would provide non-stop action. She ruled me out ever being selected as I am the slow GFE type who would put spectators to sleep!

On normal days, public blow jobs are common. They will even do it right next to you or in front of you. Public sex is less common and I have only seen it done on the basement couches or stools (doggie position). You can also do it in the basement room with the glass wall, where all others can see you and, if I heard correctly, can also request to join in.Thanks for all the great input guys. I had almost forgotten about Bernd's. It's actually pretty close to what I'm looking for. Also just stumbled upon www.luder-lounge.de which looks really small and intimate. Will have to try that one out. Well, only so much you can figure out from the arm chair, sometimes you need to just go ahead and move to the, ehh, couch.

[Hessen Bub]

If a girl is not registered as a WG with the German tax authorities she will have to make the daily 25€ down payment, if she's German or not doesn't matter. If she does an income statement and her taxes the advance payments she has done will be taken off her tax debt. Most girls don't register.

Girls transfer a part of the money via WU. The bigger portion often is brought to Romania personally. Some girls change bigger amounts into 500€ bills, roll then up, put them in a condom, shove it up their pussy and bring it home. I know a girl who did this with a large sum. Her pussy wasn't that big, but she managed well. LOL.

HB.

[McAdonis]

Girls transfer a part of the money via WU. The bigger portion often is brought to Romania personally. Some girls change bigger amounts into 500 bills, roll then up, put them in a condom, shove it up their pussy and bring it home. I know a girl who did this with a large sum. Her pussy wasn't that big, but she managed well. LOL.
Will German banks change smaller denominations into 500 EUR notes without hassle? Do the girls have to show their passports for these transactions? At some point they will change the 500 EUR notes back into smaller denominations again or exchange for lei. Those 500 EUR bills would draw too much attention or arouse suspicion because most people associate them with criminal activity. The exchange must go through blacker markets, no?

The other question is where do they keep their money while they are on-shift? Some of these girls work 80 hours a week, and supposedly they share a flat with three other WGs. So there could be 20000+ EUR there sitting there. That makes them a target for opportunist criminals. Unless of course they have hired "security".

Doing the math, some have estimated that girls might make 100K per year and lets say they make 5 trips home a year. I am guessing they wire at most 10K via WU. That means each trip they are moving between 15-20K per trip. I guess that's manageable by themselves.

[McAdonis]

Some girls change bigger amounts into 500 bills, roll then up, put them in a condom, shove it up their pussy and bring it home. I know a girl who did this with a large sum. Her pussy wasn't that big, but she managed well. LOL.

HB.Care to share the range for how large this sum was? LOL.

How many hours do they have to keep that money there?

[Hessen Bub]

Storing the money safely while working is an issue. Money gets stolen over and over again. I've heard about ranges from 2,000€ to 20,000€ that were stolen from girls lockers.

I've been to the bank with girls changing 50/100€ bills to 500€ bills. They never were asked for ID. That was a bank in a rather small close to a big club, so employees will know where the money came from when Romanian girls asked to have it changed.

HB.

[Jymondor]

Some girls change bigger amounts into 500 bills, roll then up, put them in a condom, shove it up their pussy and bring it home.Yeah, this is really hard-working part of the body.

[Skeden80]

I like the small, more intimate FKK clubs. Especially where sex can be had in the open (I. E. Not only in private rooms) so the other girls and guests can watch from pretty close. It just turns me on somehow. Anyone have some recommendations?I'd say Oase. Both the sofas in kino (as someone else wrote) are good for sex in the open, but also the outdoor area when weather is beautiful.

Have fun!

[Member #4581]

What is the tax rules for non German EU citizens working in Germany. I don't know if there is a substantial tax rate difference between Germna tax rate and Romanian tax rate, and do these Romanian girls have to pay taxes in Romania or in Germany?

Anyway, 100 grand is not a humongous amount of income. With deductions etc, I don't know what is the net tax a girl would have to pay. It seems idiotic that these girls would risk so much just to avoid paying taxes. Perhaps this is a European thing or a Romanian thing. Why risk getting caught, thrown into jail, banned from the country, fall prey to mafioso managers, risk theft from their lockers, not to mention traveling thousands of miles with euro stuffed pussies and holding back bathroom?

One single incident of theft in a year might cover some or much of their taxes. And not everyone makes a hundred grand, and at lower incomes, tax rates should be lower.

[Member #4581]

I guess these girls are not scared of a condom break, LOL.

If ever the tax guys start investigating and follow the trail of these 500 euro bills, the pussy DNA on the bill should be easy to track down.

[McAdonis]

What is the tax rules for non German EU citizens working in Germany. I don't know if there is a substantial tax rate difference between Germna tax rate and Romanian tax rate, and do these Romanian girls have to pay taxes in Romania or in Germany?

Anyway, 100 grand is not a humongous amount of income. With deductions etc, I don't know what is the net tax a girl would have to pay. It seems idiotic that these girls would risk so much just to avoid paying taxes. Perhaps this is a European thing or a Romanian thing. Why risk getting caught, thrown into jail, banned from the country, fall prey to mafioso managers, risk theft from their lockers, not to mention traveling thousands of miles with euro stuffed pussies and holding back bathroom?

One single incident of theft in a year might cover some or much of their taxes. And not everyone makes a hundred grand, and at lower incomes, tax rates should be lower.Western European countries and Scandinavian countries have the highest tax rates-above 40% if the individual is making about $50 K USD or more. Romania I believe just has a flat tax of 15 or 16 percent for all incomes. Normally, you are expected to pay taxes in the country where you are working and earning money--coming from an EU country like Romania or a non-EU country like India shouldn't change that fact.

South European countries have a reputation for being more corrupt. I suspect it is easier to evade the tax authorities there, because everybody in those countries is dodging their taxes.

[PussyLiccker]

Western European countries and Scandinavian countries have the highest tax rates-above 40% if the individual is making about $50 K USD or more. Romania I believe just has a flat tax of 15 or 16 percent for all incomes. Normally, you are expected to pay taxes in the country where you are working and earning money--coming from an EU country like Romania or a non-EU country like India shouldn't change that fact.

South European countries have a reputation for being more corrupt. I suspect it is easier to evade the tax authorities there, because everybody in those countries is dodging their taxes.I can see why certain services for the girls would become available. 40% is huge chunk taken off if you report, and if the options are available for cash earners to reduce that significantly, more money for her. Significant portion of WGs are Ro, so with this, there are business opportunities to be had for this. I don't see why you'd roll up the bills and shove it somewhere, as you can put it in other places. I'm curious if there are any risks with border control. I wouldn't think driving would have risk, but perhaps flying?

[Hessen Bub]

My guess is that most EE girls pay the 25€/ day down payment and that's about it.

HB.

[PussyLiccker]

My guess is that most EE girls pay the 25/ day down payment and that's about it.

HB.The 2002 reformation allowed things like protection of girls, and giving more rights to entities that are involved with WGs of age that the law sees as being able to make their own decisions. Registering apparently didn't work out, atleast according to what the article said about Hamburg. So, requiring 25 paid at brothels is the way for the government to get a minimum as cash earnings are too difficult to account for, and you know for sure what services the girls are working for. It's rather difficult to get cash earners to report their full earnings especially if their earnings are in the bracket a significant portion of it will go to taxes.

[Breadman]

You used to be able to click on a guys name and see how many posts 'per day' each person made, that feature has since been removed. How addicted are you to posting? Do you find yourself logging in while working? How many times per day do you check the board for new posts? They say porn is the new addiction, I wonder if there's guys out there who read and post on 'forums' more than they view porn. BC was a prolific poster, I remember seeing something like 12 posts per day under his handle. Syz has to be right along those lines (if not more). Some boards show who's online and also when the last login was (people could still view the website logged off).

So the question is this: can you stop? Can you bring yourself to quit logging on and posting for a set time? I managed once for roughly 3 weeks, I still find myself clicking onto ISG at least 3 times a day (be it posting or just surfing). What's the longest you've' gone?

So the call goes out to Syz, HB and all the senior posters, how long have you taken a break from reading about the hobby?

P.S. Looking at Syz's posts he actually didn't post anything on 7-9-2015. His next day off was 6-18-2105. Travelling those days? Under the weather? In comparison, HB missed two days in a row 7-21 and 22nd...he then missed the 8th of July. In comparison, I missed 7-21,22,23,18,17,16,15,14,11,10,9,8,7,6,4,3,2 and the 1st (strickley posting).

Mindful im not laying blame or advocating a sabbatical. I was visiting with a normal buddy, one who's happily married but knows of my activities and the conversation turned in this direction. He somehow stumbled across a website where a guy discussed his mongering and how he told the girl to stay in his hotel room while he went out and got texts from her from time to time. The times he wasn't getting texts, she was texting his drinking buddy how she missed him. So my buddy started asking me about "game" and I had to fill him in on everything, terms, what you have to do to get the best service etc.

[UltraHappy]

So the question is this: can you stop? Can you bring yourself to quit logging on and posting for a set time? I managed once for roughly 3 weeks, I still find myself clicking onto ISG at least 3 times a day (be it posting or just surfing). What's the longest you've' gone?
I never post and mostly don't even bother reading the forum when I'm on vacation. Way too busy with enjoying my time with the girls. If I were living over there like HB, I'd probably never post anything because I'd be too busy enjoying myself at the clubs. I don't know how the guys who live there make time for both the forum AND the girls.

Alas, most of the time I am stuck in sex-prison USA, so I find myself checking once a day or sometimes, once every two days. Sometimes 2-3 times / day on the weekends.

[Mr Ho]

Western European countries and Scandinavian countries have the highest tax rates-above 40% if the individual is making about $50 K USD or more. Romania I believe just has a flat tax of 15 or 16 percent for all incomes. Normally, you are expected to pay taxes in the country where you are working and earning money--coming from an EU country like Romania or a non-EU country like India shouldn't change that fact.

South European countries have a reputation for being more corrupt. I suspect it is easier to evade the tax authorities there, because everybody in those countries is dodging their taxes.Well the difference in Romania is that most of Tax money is used to finance the private luxury lives of politicians there, same goes to most eastern European nations, so I understand why people there maybe more hesitate to pay tax there.

[Capt Dan]

So the call goes out to Syz, HB and all the senior posters, how long have you taken a break from reading about the hobby?I for one am very grateful that these guys take the time from their schedules to report on this forum and make this Board a more interesting place for all (including myself) to visit. Members would certainly not want to be relying on the reports as submitted by either yourself or myself for entertainment and information as there would be very little for the membership to read which would be of very much interest.

I do know of both these guys and am aware that they are both successful in their chosen fields. They are based in Germany either full time or for a considerable time and therefore can easily visit these FKK / Sauna Club establishments and offer insights which infrequent visitors would not be capable of offering. Some guys play golf, some spend their time watching TV. Others spend their time travelling in Germany and enjoying the company of beautiful women. I'm pleased that they choose to provide us with good information about this hobby and glad that they continue to post on ISG.

More power to the both of them and anyone who offers (or has offered) information to the rest of the membership. We could do with more members of their caliber. This Board would be a better place.

[Member #4581]

Hey, what's wrong with posting tons of times? Similar to UH, being stuck in the US, I can only look at these guys with envy. If I could visit clubs every day, or multiple times a week, fuck dozens of pretty girls, and brag about them, post about them, discuss my escapades, and oh sure help other mongers in the process, what can be better? I sure wish I could do it.

In my next life, I want to be born as Tom Byron, or Manuel Ferrara or one of the porn studs, or be born with millions and be living in Germany.

[Faceless78]

I never post and mostly don't even bother reading the forum when I'm on vacation. Way too busy with enjoying my time with the girls. If I were living over there like HB, I'd probably never post anything because I'd be too busy enjoying myself at the clubs. I don't know how the guys who live there make time for both the forum AND the girls.

Alas, most of the time I am stuck in sex-prison USA, so I find myself checking once a day or sometimes, once every two days. Sometimes 2-3 times / day on the weekends.Same here, I only write and read post when I'm stuck at home. The more I miss FKK, The more I log in.

Usually I check 2-3 times per day, double it if I'm boring, and may absent for days if I'm busy with something else.

[Jmioffe]

Are these two acts possible in an FKK? If so, which ones and which girls? I prefer the clubs around Frankfurt. Thanks!

* Two girls. One licking my balls while I fuck the other.

* Pegging.

[Craiova]

Are these two acts possible in an FKK? If so, which ones and which girls? I prefer the clubs around Frankfurt. Thanks!

* Two girls. One licking my balls while I fuck the other.

* Pegging.Should be no big deal to find girls in a Frankfurt FKK club doing this. I am sure you will find girls doing this at Oase, World, Mainhattan, Sharks or Palace. Only for your pegging maybe better to bring a straps-on with you. The girls will probably charge you extra for pegging. And for this I would take a girl with a little bit more experience in the job and not a new girl.

So just decide for one of these clubs and talk to a girl that fit to your expectations. For the two girls session chose the first one and let her make suggestions for the second girl.

[Jmioffe]

Should be no big deal to find girls in a Frankfurt FKK club doing this. I am sure you will find girls doing this at Oase, World, Mainhattan, Sharks or Palace. Only for your pegging maybe better to bring a straps-on with you. The girls will probably charge you extra for pegging. And for this I would take a girl with a little bit more experience in the job and not a new girl.

So just decide for one of these clubs and talk to a girl that fit to your expectations. For the two girls session chose the first one and let her make suggestions for the second girl.Thanks! Any names would be great. It seems like I tend to get standard service.

Also, any suggestions for getting a body to develop more sperm?

When I was younger, I'd be able to go a half-dozen times a night for a week. Now, it's about 2-3 times for about 4 days. After that I'm out of bullets.

Hardness is not a problem, I'm in good shape and don't need Viagra. Sperm on the other hand.

[Hessen Bub]

Are these two acts possible in an FKK? If so, which ones and which girls? I prefer the clubs around Frankfurt. Thanks!

* Two girls. One licking my balls while I fuck the other.Cheapest option: FKK Dietzenbach. 100€ for two girls for 30 min including entry.

HB.

[Dufey]

I don't see why you'd roll up the bills and shove it somewhere, as you can put it in other places. I'm curious if there are any risks with border control. I wouldn't think driving would have risk, but perhaps flying?I know of a Korean woman living for 30 years in EU. She works in Finance. She and a visiting Korean friend were driving from Italy through Switzerland to the Northern Europe and got stopped by the Swiss border guards at Chiasso. They got stripped searched and their very fashionable Bentley got near taken apart on the whim of the border guard. Next time she drives the Range Rover she says.

Normally when you drive a car with Swiss plates then you do not get stopped but the ones with Italian plates get stopped a few times.

[Dufey]

* Two girls. One licking my balls while I fuck the other.

* Pegging.Someone has been watching too much porn.

Yes these are all possible.

[Faceless78]

Someone has been watching too much porn.

Yes these are all possible.Hah that's exactly what I'm going to say.

[Jmioffe]

Hah that's exactly what I'm going to say.Ha ha, thanks guys. You might say I'm shame-faced, if doing this wasn't so shameless already.

Mission accomplished on both accounts. It was easier than I thought.

The girls did not balk at all. It blows the mind to think if this is not a big deal to them. What is?

I liked it too.

The pegging, well, I started with a finger. I've heard that the anus is an erogenous zone, but it was just uncomfortable to me.

Oh well, I paid a little extra anyway since she put in the effort.

[Dufey]

Ha ha, thanks guys. You might say I'm shame-faced, if doing this wasn't so shameless already.

Mission accomplished on both accounts. It was easier than I thought.

The girls did not balk at all. It blows the mind to think if this is not a big deal to them. What is?

I liked it too.

The pegging, well, I started with a finger. I've heard that the anus is an erogenous zone, but it was just uncomfortable to me.

Oh well, I paid a little extra anyway since she put in the effort.Girls will balk at very few sex acts. They will just yes they will do it or no they will not or more invariably that they do the sex act but it cost you some ludicrous amount of cold hard cash that you just say no or if you are so wanting that sex act that you just say okay to the price without negotiating.

[Faceless78]

Ha ha, thanks guys. You might say I'm shame-faced, if doing this wasn't so shameless already.

Mission accomplished on both accounts. It was easier than I thought.

The girls did not balk at all. It blows the mind to think if this is not a big deal to them. What is?

I liked it too.

The pegging, well, I started with a finger. I've heard that the anus is an erogenous zone, but it was just uncomfortable to me.

Oh well, I paid a little extra anyway since she put in the effort.You need to know, There are many men that are far more demanding than you, since you are not the only one who watch porno l.

Anyway, FKK is a good place to realize your fantasy, and now you've accomplished your first missions and gained some EP, it's time to level up and expect something new LOL.

[HeyyyyyyPaul]

How about basic descriptions of what some of the best contributors here look like?

Banana Boi.

Hessen Bub.

Sirioja.

PussyLiccker.

McAdonis.

Vito Corleone.

Dufey.

Craiova.

Syzygies.

Nille Copenhagen.

Will help new guys say "Hello" at the club and buy a beer or a 30 minutes session for these contributors great reports in the FKK forums.

Cheers

[UltraHappy]

How about basic descriptions of what some of the best contributors here look like?

Banana Boi.

Hessen Bub.

Sirioja.

PussyLiccker.

McAdonis.

Vito Corleone.

Dufey.

Craiova.

Syzygies.

Nille Copenhagen.

Will help new guys say "Hello" at the club and buy a beer or a 30 minutes session for these contributors great reports in the FKK forums.

CheersTell you what, why don't you just post your photo up here so we can all easily find you? That would be much easier!

[Faceless78]

Tell you what, why don't you just post your photo up here so we can all easily find you? That would be much easier!Hah, the fastest way to become the superstar of ISG!

[Trans Atlantic]

How about basic descriptions of what some of the best contributors here look like?

Banana Boi.

Hessen Bub.

Sirioja.

PussyLiccker.

McAdonis.

Vito Corleone.

Dufey.

Craiova.

Syzygies.

Nille Copenhagen.

Will help new guys say "Hello" at the club and buy a beer or a 30 minutes session for these contributors great reports in the FKK forums.

CheersROTFL. Kudos for giving me a chuckle.

[Member #4581]

I have the looks of Fabio, money of Warren a Buffet, and the wit of GB Shaw. I can be easily found. Girls are fighting themselves to fuck me, and pay me instead.

Or perhaps, I have the wit of Fabio and the looks of buffet. Dunno. I am confused now.

[Vito Corleone]

How about basic descriptions of what some of the best contributors here look like?

Banana Boi.

Hessen Bub.

Sirioja.

PussyLiccker.

McAdonis.

Vito Corleone.

Dufey.

Craiova.

Syzygies.

Nille Copenhagen.

Will help new guys say "Hello" at the club and buy a beer or a 30 minutes session for these contributors great reports in the FKK forums.

CheersI look like Kay Adams.

[UltraHappy]

I have the looks of Fabio, money of Warren a Buffet, and the wit of GB Shaw. I can be easily found. Girls are fighting themselves to fuck me, and pay me instead.

Or perhaps, I have the wit of Fabio and the looks of buffet. Dunno. I am confused now.This is one of those times I'm disappointed that the forum software has no mechanism to "+1" or "Like" a post.

LOL. Good one!

[McAdonis]

According to weather forecast for the weekend, FRA will have highs of 39,33, 32. NRW will have highs of 31,27, 27.

[PussyLiccker]

How about basic descriptions of what some of the best contributors here look like?
Let me describe myself. I'm under 80 yrs old. Usually wears a robe in the club (but not in the room when I'm with a girl). Usually white one, but depends on the club. My chest to belly ratio is .785. I'm the guy that is either walking or sitting down in the club.