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Same for other clubs, at Sharks they pay 115 incl. Accommodation. So that doesn't explain the 10+/30 min compared to Hessen.
HB.Only logical explanation is that Artemis have monopoly in Berlin and can therefore charge a premium.
Kinda strange that theres only 1 FKK in Berlin. More business people travelling to FRA that are horny? LOL.
I'm one of these earners, one of my friends who lives in Germany asked me how I could afford to visit Germany with such a low wage (he took the wage of a similar job in Germany and applied it as my wage), he was shocked when I told him what I earned.
God forbid if you get a chronic illness in the USA and your health insurance won't cover it. You're fucked! I have a lot of American colleagues and almost all of them decide to stay in Germany as the lifestyle for middle-income earners is much better here. I asked one of them and she said unless you're in the top 10% of US earners there's no comparison between life here and in the USA. It's much better here!
Germans pay higher taxes and get a bigger safety net. Germans usually get six weeks of vacation per year. More public holidays. And unlimited sick leave allowing them to draw pay even when they are not able to work. From what I've seen, people who work for German companies get laid off much less frequently. I suspect it is due German unions and laws that favor workers and make firing employees more costly for the employer. American middle class guy would be lucky to get two weeks pay when shown the door. German middle class guy might get six months of pay when shown the door. Some would also argue that German retirement pensions system has better payouts.
In the USA, if you get cancer and need six months of chemotherapy treatment, you are pretty much fucked. For most Americans, that means using up their two weeks annual vacation. And then the other five-and-a-half months, they have zero income coming in and deplete their life-savings. On top of that American insurance companies will probably try to weasel out of paying their portion of the medical bill! Plus when you are healthy enough to work again, there is no guarantee that you will get your old job back.
In the USA, if you get cancer and need six months of chemotherapy treatment, you are pretty much fucked. For most Americans, that means using up their two weeks annual vacation. And then the other five-and-a-half months, they have zero income coming in and deplete their life-savings. On top of that American insurance companies will probably try to weasel out of paying their portion of the medical bill! Plus when you are healthy enough to work again, there is no guarantee that you will get your old job back.Many companies carry insurance policies for their employees for when they fall sick and can't work for several months. Keeps your health insurance being paid and you get a portion of your lost wages from the insurance company. Do you know someone who went thru what you posted above?
To get back to the original discussion, wages, does anyone know what school teachers make in Germany? In the states all you ever read about is raising money to cover 'new' school expenses which is mainly the high wages for teachers with seniority. Some of the senior teachers make over 100 k a year.
Off topic though is when you read about all these high payed teachers getting busted for having sex with their students and or getting arrested visiting a prostitute. And then getting the axe. They get off the entire summer, you would think they'd head to countries where they could do what we all do.
Delta Indigo
10-19-15, 21:58
Many companies carry insurance policies for their employees for when they fall sick and can't work for several months. Keeps your health insurance being paid and you get a portion of your lost wages from the insurance company. Do you know someone who went thru what you posted above?
To get back to the original discussion, wages, does anyone know what school teachers make in Germany? In the states all you ever read about is raising money to cover 'new' school expenses which is mainly the high wages for teachers with seniority. Some of the senior teachers make over 100 k a year.
Off topic though is when you read about all these high payed teachers getting busted for having sex with their students and or getting arrested visiting a prostitute. And then getting the axe. They get off the entire summer, you would think they'd head to countries where they could do what we all do.If I go to payscale.com and look up secondary school teacher median pay, I get 42 000 Euros for Germany and 46 000 dollars for the US. We do have to look at real hard numbers. Like you implied the teacher pay you point out is exceptional.
What you are right about is that there are more bonus and commissions for mid level jobs in the US. Department store manager is not a job that will pay well or offer incentives in either the UK or Germany.
But this does not mean that Germany is not a high wage economy.
All this talk about wages and the cost of a Big Mac! WTF does that have to do with the price of rice in China? How about what's the price of a piece of ass? That's what we want to know! LOLOLOL!
Only logical explanation is that Artemis have monopoly in Berlin and can therefore charge a premium.
Kinda strange that theres only 1 FKK in Berlin. More business people travelling to FRA that are horny? LOL.There was a plan to open big FKK in Potsdam, there was even opening date set as construction was almost completed.
They suddenly. No more news.
I wonder what happened to that one as there is demand for new big FKK.
It is strange Artemis costed about 6 million euro to open. I wonder why no one tried to open another one knowing it is profitable business.
Hard to get license perhaps?
Many companies carry insurance policies for their employees for when they fall sick and can't work for several months. Keeps your health insurance being paid and you get a portion of your lost wages from the insurance company. Do you know someone who went thru what you posted above?
I have seen families of a cancer patient struggle financially, but I was not privy to the details and I didn't want to pry. So it'd be hard to differentiate whether their financial struggles started before or after their family member got sick. When an illness like cancer strikes the family, usually the patient's spouse may need to stay home to provide full-time care. Family Medical Leave Act only provides up to six months for that scenario. The programs you speak about are short-term, and long-term disability, but from what I've been told you need a social worker to navigate that process. I had a friend who's father was given a prognosis of six months-to-a-year. He is still alive after eight years--in and out of remission. Her father once made six-figures and had a "stable" job. I just remember her saying that he took an "early retirement" at a fraction of what his retirement would have been because the other stuff ran out. Maybe he went cheap and opted out of a long-term-insurance option that would have cost him $250 a month I don't know.
"In 2013 over 20% of American adults are struggling to pay their medical bills, and three in five bankruptcies in 2014 will be due to medical bills. While we are quick to blame debt on poor savings and bad spending habits, our study emphasizes the burden of health costs in causing widespread indebtedness. Medical bills can completely overwhelm a family when illness strikes. ".
https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/health/2014/03/26/medical-bankruptcy/
Even perfectly healthy American families, still pay high premiums. Average family of four payed $24,671:
http://www.milliman.com/mmi/
I am not saying there is something wrong with the American system. In fact, I think I'd prefer to be paid more and manage the risk myself separately by paying for private insurance. I just need to be educated on how much more I need to make when comparing compensation packages from different countries.
If I go to payscale.com and look up secondary school teacher median pay, I get 42 000 Euros for Germany and 46 000 dollars for the US. We do have to look at real hard numbers. Like you implied the teacher pay you point out is exceptional.
My local school district went thru a strike which brought on newspaper articles saying how the kids really needed the original teachers back to work. But it was the links to 'who made what' that was staggering. A handful of senior teachers making over 100 k, a dozen more in the upper 80's.
What you are right about is that there are more bonus and commissions for mid level jobs in the US. Department store manager is not a job that will pay well or offer incentives in either the UK or Germany.
But this does not mean that Germany is not a high wage economy.I'm talking blue collar jobs, not white collar. There are certain service jobs in the states that pay well above 70 k and even upwards of 110 k depending on the status of the worker (owner operator vs employee). Owner operators have to own their own equipment and pay their operating costs out of their own pocket including health insurance. But the rewards of double the paycheck make it worth the added costs. Its cheaper for some companies to operate with few employees while paying out higher amounts to contractors. No health care costs, no retirement benefits etc.
UltraHappy
10-20-15, 00:23
In the USA, if you get cancer and need six months of chemotherapy treatment, you are pretty much fucked. For most Americans, that means using up their two weeks annual vacation. And then the other five-and-a-half months, they have zero income coming in and deplete their life-savings. On top of that American insurance companies will probably try to weasel out of paying their portion of the medical bill! Plus when you are healthy enough to work again, there is no guarantee that you will get your old job back.Most professionals have as part of their benefits a short-term disability policy that typically pays out 80% salary for some length of time, for example, 6 months. Most employers offer for purchase a long-term disability policy to continue paying after the short-term policy runs out. Even where such a policy isn't offered by one's employer (or is not attractive for whatever reason), an employee can still purchase such a long-term disability policy on the open insurance market.
Complaining about not having long-term disability after one is disabled or unable to work for health reasons is analogous to a home owner who complains that he lost his house in a house fire when the home owner failed to purchase house insurance against that very peril.
Most Americans when offered long-term disability turn it down when offered (me included) because we don't want to pay the premiums and probably because we don't like to consider the possibility of being disabled long-term. These policies aren't usually cheap (although they are quite the bargain if you ever need a payout under these policies).
I'm not advocating for one system or another or defending one system in particular. I am merely pointing out that current system in America does indeed provide for long-term disability if one elects and chooses to pay for such protection.
Granted, perhaps it would be better for everyone if such protection were mandated for everyone, but to date, that isn't the case here in the States.
Most professionals have as part of their benefits a short-term disability policy that typically pays out 80% salary for some length of time, for example, 6 months. Most employers offer for purchase a long-term disability policy to continue paying after the short-term policy runs out. Even where such a policy isn't offered by one's employer (or is not attractive for whatever reason), an employee can still purchase such a long-term disability policy on the open insurance market.
Complaining about not having long-term disability after one is disabled or unable to work for health reasons is analogous to a home owner who complains that he lost his house in a house fire when the home owner failed to purchase house insurance against that very peril.
Most Americans when offered long-term disability turn it down when offered (me included) because we don't want to pay the premiums and probably because we don't like to consider the possibility of being disabled long-term. These policies aren't usually cheap (although they are quite the bargain if you ever need a payout under these policies).
I'm not advocating for one system or another or defending one system in particular. I am merely pointing out that current system in America does indeed provide for long-term disability if one elects and chooses to pay for such protection.
Granted, perhaps it would be better for everyone if such protection were mandated for everyone, but to date, that isn't the case here in the States.Thanks. I was more or less painting a worse case scenario, I. E. Unskilled American laborer that is not civil servant or union member that gets diagnosed with cancer. Partially to get a response from someone who would correct me. The American companies I've worked for were quite big, and I suppose I'd be considered a "professional". Its quite possible that LTD was offered to me, but I was always to lazy to read those benefits options. So your response spelled it out for me.
Here is something that I read that I found surprising:
"Harvard also discovered that 75% of those filing bankruptcy for medical reasons had health insurance. It is clear that having health insurance is no guarantee against carrying debt related to health care. ".
I guess the employee-provided health insurance options provided in USA are not that great. Or people just prefer to live on the wild side by choosing the cheapest option possible, both in terms of health insurance and long term disability insurance. Perhaps if they took the word "disability" out of "long term disability" it would be more palatable. After all it's called "life insurance" not "death insurance". That said what is the average duration for employee-sponsored LTD benefits--a few years? From what I read, some went all the way up to age 65, but it made it seem like that was the exception rather than the rule.
Member #4581
10-20-15, 01:09
I did not see that Harvard study. From what I know / seen however, it is not impossible. The issue is that medical catastrophes are expensive in more ways than one. And insurance may not cover all of it. As you know, a small percentage if medical cases account for the majority of the cost, and if one is unfortunate to be one of those cases, a regular health insurance may not be enough. Cancer medications can run into hundreds of thousands per year in terms of cost, and might well exceed the total annual payout from the insurance company. The upper ceiling is how the insurance company protects itself against unlimited liabilities, and that can lead to individual bankruptcy.
The difference between here and Europe is that we don't have a single payer system. When the government is the sole purchaser of all healthcare products and services, the vendor will be hard pressed to increase price w / o limit. But here in the US, we have multiple purchasers, from CMS, state Medicaid, large health insurance companies, large employers, and smaller bundled plans and even individuals. As a result, for example, the price of avastin can be much higher for a smaller plan than for cms, and much much higher than what a European government may pay for it. But the politics here makes it very difficult to move to a single payer system.
I did not see that Harvard study. From what I know / seen however, it is not impossible. The issue is that medical catastrophes are expensive in more ways than one. And insurance may not cover all of it. As you know, a small percentage if medical cases account for the majority of the cost, and if one is unfortunate to be one of those cases, a regular health insurance may not be enough. Cancer medications can run into hundreds of thousands per year in terms of cost, and might well exceed the total annual payout from the insurance company. The upper ceiling is how the insurance company protects itself against unlimited liabilities, and that can lead to individual bankruptcy.
The difference between here and Europe is that we don't have a single payer system. When the government is the sole purchaser of all healthcare products and services, the vendor will be hard pressed to increase price w / o limit. But here in the US, we have multiple purchasers, from CMS, state Medicaid, large health insurance companies, large employers, and smaller bundled plans and even individuals. As a result, for example, the price of avastin can be much higher for a smaller plan than for cms, and much much higher than what a European government may pay for it. But the politics here makes it very difficult to move to a single payer system.I found it here:
http://thelawdictionary.org/article/how-many-americans-go-bankrupt-due-to-medical-purposes-each-year/
I just saw a figure and made my own interpretations. My reasoning was not endorsed by author. Your explanation for the large number of medical bankruptcies make more sense.
All this talk about wages and the cost of a Big Mac! WTF does that have to do with the price of rice in China? How about what's the price of a piece of ass? That's what we want to know! LOLOLOL!I do not want asian ass in FKK, I get them here. I just got to fly half the way around the world to taste premium white asses.
It is a shame as Vladiostoc russia is so close to us, but they are not as organized as germans. I hope there is a way for me to buy premium young russian ass in far east russia. It is two hour flight. I would go every two weekend LOL.
Hessen Bub
10-20-15, 08:40
http://www.economist.com/content/big-mac-index
http://m.welt.de/finanzen/article136721663/Der-Big-Mac-zeigt-wie-krank-das-Finanzsystem-ist.html
http://bigmacindex.org/
HB.
Delta Indigo
10-20-15, 12:39
Thanks. I was more or less painting a worse case scenario, I. E. Unskilled American laborer that is not civil servant or union member that gets diagnosed with cancer. Partially to get a response from someone who would correct me. The American companies I've worked for were quite big, and I suppose I'd be considered a "professional". Its quite possible that LTD was offered to me, but I was always to lazy to read those benefits options. So your response spelled it out for me.
Here is something that I read that I found surprising:
"Harvard also discovered that 75% of those filing bankruptcy for medical reasons had health insurance. It is clear that having health insurance is no guarantee against carrying debt related to health care. ".
I guess the employee-provided health insurance options provided in USA are not that great. Or people just prefer to live on the wild side by choosing the cheapest option possible, both in terms of health insurance and long term disability insurance. Perhaps if they took the word "disability" out of "long term disability" it would be more palatable. After all it's called "life insurance" not "death insurance". That said what is the average duration for employee-sponsored LTD benefits--a few years? From what I read, some went all the way up to age 65, but it made it seem like that was the exception rather than the rule.You are being very careful and diplomatic, but many aspects of health care in the US are far from ideal to say the least. If you are quite wealthy, the quality of the health care is second to none and I won't dispute that. Secondly there are many politically powerful interest groups that fight any change to the health care regime and they have managed to shape the political culture in the US debate to make substantive changes to the health care system politically unviable.
This long term disability care is available in the US, but it is very very very expensive, and the real reason many people forgo it is due to cost and not choice. Given the wealth of data you have about medical emergencies being the overwhelming factor behind personal bankruptcies in the US, you would except many people who are at all risk averse, and not into playing Russian roulette to pay for this kind of insurance if they could afford it.
An uncle of mine who is a distinguished economics professor, who is very risk averse, did not have it and he found if unaffordable, by the way he has quite a handsome income.
Yes technically this option is available, but lets not defy logic and present this as a matter of choice and not cost. Why does almost everyone forgo it, because the cost is prohibitive even for very wealthy people. So in my opinion the alternative is in practice not there.
McAdonis, I think you are aware of this and being super diplomatic. But this whole discussion starting with relative salary levels in Germany vs US. It did start with a where are you better off arguments, one that I did not start by the way.
US Pensions are probably on par with German public pensions and they are far better than the minimalistic pensions system in the UK. However when it comes to health care and unemployment benefits, higher German taxes are providing something that is good value for money at least when compared to some other prominent countries. And no I am not German rather the opposite.
I have said something unequivocal here, but despite all the disclaimers saying "I am not saying one system is better" that is in fact how this discussion started.
There are many systems that have their pros and cons in various departments, but what I consider unique about Germany is not the wealth fare regime that exists in many other European countries as well, but the fact that Germany tends to be low cost and very competitive. I think when the Germans fixed the DM to the Euro at a weak rate unlike many other countries who wanted to high rate, they made Germany very competitive, in fact this was in fact a massive devaluation of their "currency".
I am surprised by how cheap Germany seems to me, forget places like Switzerland, it is a lot cheaper than the UK in my experience.
Sebastiane
10-20-15, 16:26
I know I'm generalising and beauty is subjective and all that but given the sheer number of Romanian girls working in Germany as prostitutes, I have really been unable to explain how, on average, most of them are damn attractive! I don't think I've ever seen let alone fucked a Romanian girl in an FKK club or brothel who was less than a 7, ever.
I've not been to Romania but is it like that too on the streets: do you see a high proportion of good looking girls with great slim bodies?
DI, you give me too much credit. I am much more selfish than diplomatic. Although, interesting to hear both sides of the "universal health care" argument, I am more concerned about the number crunching, so I can make an apples to apples comparison. Even within a single country like the USA, there are multiple ways to structure compensation. Breadman mentioned employee (W2) vs independent contractor (1099). Other things that add complexity when weighing compensation are stock options, and adjusting for cost-of-living.
You and UltraHappy seem to have thought it out, concluding that the premiums are too high, and it's better to just play the odds. I suppose the hope is that if you ever do get injured / sick, it will only keep you out for 90 days or less--meaning you would never need anything beyond short-term disability.
Here are some stats for you though:
Male, age 35,5'10", 170 pounds, non-smoker, who works an office job, with some outdoor physical responsibilities, and who leads a healthy lifestyle has a 21% chance of becoming disabled for 3 months or longer during his working career.
Average LTD claims: 31.6 months.
Quite a long time to have zero income. Those quotes must have been pretty high for you guys!. Btw, I am not trying to second guess you guys' decisions. You two seem to be much more informed on financial planning than I am, so more like I am fishing for financial advice, so that I never have to curtail my mongering...
You are being very careful and diplomatic, but many aspects of health care in the US are far from ideal to say the least. If you are quite wealthy, the quality of the health care is second to none and I won't dispute that. Secondly there are many politically powerful interest groups that fight any change to the health care regime and they have managed to shape the political culture in the US debate to make substantive changes to the health care system politically unviable.
This long term disability care is available in the US, but it is very very very expensive, and the real reason many people forgo it is due to cost and not choice. Given the wealth of data you have about medical emergencies being the overwhelming factor behind personal bankruptcies in the US, you would except many people who are at all risk averse, and not into playing Russian roulette to pay for this kind of insurance if they could afford it..FKK cost. Marriage cost.
FKK sexual satisfaction Marriage sexual satisfaction.
FKK freedom Marriage freedom.
Chance of being more wealthy fucking in FKK culture Just focus on marriage culture.
Chance of getting sick in FKK due to stress. Chance of getting sick during marriage due to stress.
Chance of getting std in FKK chance of getting std from your marriage.
As I illustrated above formulas, FKK out-stand marriage in every manner. As for last formula, I have been to FKK for years, but I never had any std and never really heard of std from fellow mongers.
By looking at above formulas, I conclude mongers! Keep on mongering, it is the lifestyle to choose!
Marriage? Why do you want to own middle age personal prostitute for millions dollars through out your life? Love? LOL.
I know I'm generalising and beauty is subjective and all that but given the sheer number of Romanian girls working in Germany as prostitutes, I have really been unable to explain how, on average, most of them are damn attractive! I don't think I've ever seen let alone fucked a Romanian girl in an FKK club or brothel who was less than a 7, ever.
I've not been to Romania but is it like that too on the streets: do you see a high proportion of good looking girls with great slim bodies?Not my favorite, but I do get what you mean.
For me, Romanians cover Latino type looks, tanned, hot body kinda thing. I love doing them from back hard.
PussyLiccker
10-21-15, 07:21
My personal experience is I used to run into lots more hot girls of varying nationalities in the past. The thing is majority of the club girls are Romanians currently, and given the percentage, you are bound to run into ones that are like-able and pretty. It's all matter of taste yes, and depends on the pool. Some pool may have the ones that fit your taste more so than others. I've just been luckier in the past with non-Romanians. Quite a few that I would consider stunning. I think if you start to not run into them, your standards in picks drop. Who you pick out is pretty much relative to the quality of the pool.
Most guys I've talked to told me that it was better back in the days with lot more variety. I wasn't around to witness it so, I just take various opinions as just words. Running into stunners has pretty much dropped over the years for me, so based on that it's plausible.
My personal experience is I used to run into lots more hot girls of varying nationalities in the past. The thing is majority of the club girls are Romanians currently, and given the percentage, you are bound to run into ones that are like-able and pretty. It's all matter of taste yes, and depends on the pool. Some pool may have the ones that fit your taste more so than others. I've just been luckier in the past with non-Romanians. Quite a few that I would consider stunning. I think if you start to not run into them, your standards in picks drop. Who you pick out is pretty much relative to the quality of the pool.
Most guys I've talked to told me that it was better back in the days. I wasn't around to witness it so, I just take various opinions as just words. Running into stunners has pretty much dropped over the years for me, so based on that it's plausible.Basically we need more global crisis in eastern Europe and middle east, which also affect German economy and FKK line up because Germany is now global dump for those who want to leave their own nation.
Let FKK, be escape field for the beautiful girls sector of those who want to fee their countries due to crisis of all kind.
I feel oblige to teach them what democracy means at German FKK! This is my way of giving back to society economically and also physically.
My personal experience is I used to run into lots more hot girls of varying nationalities in the past. The thing is majority of the club girls are Romanians currently, and given the percentage, you are bound to run into ones that are like-able and pretty. It's all matter of taste yes, and depends on the pool. Some pool may have the ones that fit your taste more so than others. I've just been luckier in the past with non-Romanians. Quite a few that I would consider stunning. I think if you start to not run into them, your standards in picks drop. Who you pick out is pretty much relative to the quality of the pool.
Most guys I've talked to told me that it was better back in the days. I wasn't around to witness it so, I just take various opinions as just words. Running into stunners has pretty much dropped over the years for me, so based on that it's plausible.Now that I think about it, not all, but a lot of German girls I fucked are second or third generation from else where immigrant like from Armenia, turkey, Albania or where-ever. We all fuck immigrants first generation or not in FKK. (some are fortunately, white Germans).
So we as mongers should support Merkels decision of making Germany dump for immigrants because it affect LU of FKK for us mongers who like to taste exotic-ness time to time.
Immigration to Germany is good thing for well being of us mongers! We will fuck them soon or later.
I do enjoy fucking Muslim girls. My way of fighting war against terror.
Delta Indigo
10-21-15, 09:46
I know I'm generalising and beauty is subjective and all that but given the sheer number of Romanian girls working in Germany as prostitutes, I have really been unable to explain how, on average, most of them are damn attractive! I don't think I've ever seen let alone fucked a Romanian girl in an FKK club or brothel who was less than a 7, ever.
I've not been to Romania but is it like that too on the streets: do you see a high proportion of good looking girls with great slim bodies?They are a particularly attractive bunch and the ones in FKKs are not the absolute best ones in all likelihood, if you feel this way you should visit Bucharest, the girls have told me the same. I haven't been to Romania but have travelling extensively in the region. Have you ever been to Bratislava, there are loads of very attractive women all over the place, tall and thin (taller than Romanians on average. A lot taller).
I have been told Bucharest is even better.
US has no healthcare.
EU still has a class system.
If you think either of the above are untrue for practical terms, good luck to you.
FKK is cheap because Germans are cheap and Romanians are poor.
Some of the girls are so poor and stupid they think their clients are mostly rich.
FKK cost. Marriage cost.
FKK sexual satisfaction Marriage sexual satisfaction.
FKK freedom Marriage freedom.
Chance of being more wealthy fucking in FKK culture Just focus on marriage culture.
Chance of getting sick in FKK due to stress. Chance of getting sick during marriage due to stress.
Chance of getting std in FKK chance of getting std from your marriage.
As I illustrated above formulas, FKK out-stand marriage in every manner. As for last formula, I have been to FKK for years, but I never had any std and never really heard of std from fellow mongers.
By looking at above formulas, I conclude mongers! Keep on mongering, it is the lifestyle to choose!
Marriage? Why do you want to own middle age personal prostitute for millions dollars through out your life? Love? LOL.You were not lucky in your life if You compare fucking a prostitute and taking care of a woman. Since my mother, I was lucky to meet and live with some exceptional women and I can only thank them for all love they gave me for free, that s why I love so much women and FKK girls or escorts feel it. 5 years ago, I would never gone to other girl than my GF, I didn't need, she gave me all I needed and I was lucky with her for love and sex. All women give from how you behave with them. For most of them, when You communicate, surprise them, make them feel pretty, they kiss you all the time and when You come back late from work, ask you to fuck them, before sleeping, even you are tired or stressed. Women still in love are jealous and want to be sure her man is only for her. You just have to behave to get your woman in love for you, it s a job, but so much pleasure when it works, rather than fucking a prostitute even some are exceptional, but not same feeling, complicity, intimacy than with a woman who gives you her soul, who trust you to "die" for you, in sexual pleasure.
US has no healthcare.
EU still has a class system.
If you think either of the above are untrue for practical terms, good luck to you.
FKK is cheap because Germans are cheap and Romanians are poor.
Some of the girls are so poor and stupid they think their clients are mostly rich.And we buy them all at FKK LOL.
Germans, Hungarians, Romanians, Muslim, Latinos, Russians, Slavs of all kind, no problem, I love premium asses of all colors LOL.
It is all for sale LOL capitalism at its best.
Got to love FKK.
Hessen Bub
10-21-15, 12:24
Most guys I've talked to told me that it was better back in the days with lot more variety. More variety. Yes. Was it better. No. Different.
Hb.
More variety. Yes. Was it better. No. Different.
Hb.+1.
HB says it all again. Stop dreaming about the past.
Some of the girls are so poor and stupid they think their clients are mostly rich.I'm not sure they do. One FKK girl told me once "no rich men come here, only cheap men". She said rich men went to "highclass clubs" in Germany. She couldn't name such a club but she seemed to have a good understanding that she was prostituting at the lower end of the scala. I think if girls were genuinely convinced we're loaded we would get marriage proposals more often.
Hessen Bub
10-21-15, 18:26
The girls know that rich doesn't equal big spender.
HB.
The girls know that rich doesn't equal big spender.
HB.Well said.
I watched a documentary about Romanian people going to the UK to work, apparently they can do that and they find work as easy as a UK person.
A pretty young Romanian could easily get a job. So for whatever reason they chose to be working girls.
I watched a documentary about Romanian people going to the UK to work, apparently they can do that and they find work as easy as a UK person.
A pretty young Romanian could easily get a job. So for whatever reason they chose to be working girls.The reason is for us, well to be more precisely: For our money LOL.
Hessen Bub
10-22-15, 12:36
I watched a documentary about Romanian people going to the UK to work, apparently they can do that and they find work as easy as a UK person.
A pretty young Romanian could easily get a job. So for whatever reason they chose to be working girls.You can repeat it over and over again. Romania is part if the EU. UK is. So since January 1st 2015 Romanian can apply for a job anywhere in the EU, also in the UK. How much will they make in a normal job compared to the club? 10% 50%? It's simple math and how a girl can cope with being a WG if she will try to find a normal job.
I know former WG working in the UK at Subway or other jobs that don't require and education.
HB.
I'm not sure they do. One FKK girl told me once "no rich men come here, only cheap men". She said rich men went to "highclass clubs" in Germany. She couldn't name such a club but she seemed to have a good understanding that she was prostituting at the lower end of the scala. I think if girls were genuinely convinced we're loaded we would get marriage proposals more often.She is just BS ing. In FKK there are girls who makes money, one just got to know how to hustle. Like the German table at FKK Palace front of smoking room.
However, what is the "high class clubs in Germany" ?? There must be venue which is better quality than FKK Artemis or palace in aspect of LU of girl and service provided for more price (preferably like Zürich globe price and not more as Zürich globe price is tolerable). Are there any more higher priced, but better Line up and service FKK in Germany?
I only heard of such higher FKK type sex club such as Baylon in Vienna / Salzberg (it is not exactly FKK I hear, but you have good sex there I heard). Globe Zurich. Are there any other?
You were not lucky in your life if You compare fucking a prostitute and taking care of a woman. Since my mother, I was lucky to meet and live with some exceptional women and I can only thank them for all love they gave me for free, that s why I love so much women and FKK girls or escorts feel it. 5 years ago, I would never gone to other girl than my GF, I didn't need, she gave me all I needed and I was lucky with her for love and sex. All women give from how you behave with them. For most of them, when You communicate, surprise them, make them feel pretty, they kiss you all the time and when You come back late from work, ask you to fuck them, before sleeping, even you are tired or stressed. Women still in love are jealous and want to be sure her man is only for her. You just have to behave to get your woman in love for you, it s a job, but so much pleasure when it works, rather than fucking a prostitute even some are exceptional, but not same feeling, complicity, intimacy than with a woman who gives you her soul, who trust you to "die" for you, in sexual pleasure.Hmmm, I won't go into details of my life as my FKK-ing / mongering happen behind door and people around me won't even imagine I do this, it is my secret hobby.
If I was lucky or not? I think I was lucky than you and I will be lucky than you. This is not counter argument or firing back, it is just a fact, even though some things are not comparable, simply because it is all point of view.
However, you do not understand me. If you look up there are people, if you look down there are people, but I was raised in let say more higher standard of lives than most, like better school, thus better friend in so called upper class, better food, clothes, so called finer things in lives which included women both normal and professional.
Bottom line is I was spoil in many ways and I feel lucky and I do not take that for granted, so I feel gratitude everyday for not have to go out there and hustle.
Having said that, living such fortunate lives, instead of losing ones self in it like many of my friends did, I begin to think for myself with my own brain, since I got a lot of free time LOL.
My conclusion is what I pretty much wrote before.
I do not have particular religion to bind me and I refuse to have women to bind me and so on, I like to enjoy lives to fullest because I can and I love young women, so one woman is not enough to satisfy me, when I have girlfriend, it is nice for few months, then I begin to feel bored and not fulfilled because I know and I experienced what is out there waiting for me and I am in position to grasp it all LOL.
So I came to conclude is that, since I am in position to grasp it all, why not go out there and do it all with refined taste to enjoy life to fullest.
I do not see me living as average potato, getting satisfied with one beautiful woman. I want to go out there and taste yellow beauty, mixed, premium white girls, model, students Latino etc etc and I do all rimming, bold,69, bareback etc etc.
I love communication, so if you have some reason to put me in path of average potato road, please educate me on that beside all these BS told to us by society whether it is school education, government, religion, entertainment industry, etc etc. We live in 21st century we are more informed than that, we can begin to think for ourselves.
I would say just go out there and get many beauties as I can while I can physically and meanwhile I keep on getting paper and prompt information, so that it enable me to do more things in related area!
Hessen Bub
10-23-15, 09:00
Are there any more higher priced, but better Line up and service FKK in Germany?
No. There are not.
HB.
I'm not sure they do. One FKK girl told me once "no rich men come here, only cheap men". She said rich men went to "highclass clubs" in Germany. She couldn't name such a club but she seemed to have a good understanding that she was prostituting at the lower end of the scala. I think if girls were genuinely convinced we're loaded we would get marriage proposals more often.Some foolish girls think their clients are rich. If a girl starts telling me I am rich then that's the end of me as her client. More often the girls will say they can't tell, since the really rich men will put on a cheap watch or similar just to throw the girls off the scent. Any girl with a brain will not care if the man is rich, just how many sessions she can hold him for.
No. There are not.
HB.So I guess I am going to have to fly into Zürich to test globe at one point to see if it matches its reputation then.
As for Babylon, girls who worked there told me that for my model look taste, I will like it, for her it was horrible to work there since clients are bit sick in sexual habits.
Hessen Bub
10-23-15, 12:21
Rich is a matter of perspective. With Romanian average salary at 300-500€/ month a client making 10-20 that money per month may be perceived as rich. I'd say somebody with 10-20 times my salary is rich.
HB.
I'm rich as long as my money for sessions is in excess of my physical abilities 😁.
I'm rich as long as my money for sessions is in excess of my physical abilities .Well said 👍
That means im poor 😒
Faceless78
10-23-15, 19:13
Well said
That means im poor Hah so you mean you are superman on bed? LOL.
Hah so you mean you are superman on bed? LOL.More like Batman without money and costume, LOL.
Rich is a matter of perspective. With Romanian average salary at 300-500/ month a client making 10-20 that money per month may be perceived as rich. I'd say somebody with 10-20 times my salary is rich.
HB.Girls consider you rich if you are willing to buy into your up sell or throw money around or you are new and you do not know the system or FKK game.
However, I am willing to pay up if she is willing to do what I want her to do with in reasonable range as I do not fly half the way around the world to get what I do not really want.
First I ask what time she finish and also if she is going to work tomorrow or after tomorrow, then only go with her 30 min session and see if she is willing to do what I want to do for just 30 min session.
Then normally just extending session works, but if she just keep on being shark day after day, then I got no other options but pay up a bit, but it is just a bit, it is not like they demand crazy amount of money.
Also most of times, as you go more sessions and they open up and become your friend, things get easier. Those who are on my facebook friends sometimes introduce me to her friends in club and from them I get good service because they talk, some girls just only want you to only go with her though.
Member #4581
10-23-15, 22:58
Since I am in Germany infrequently, I am in the clubs on 3 to 4 consecutive days. By day 3, I am well on a path of diminishing returns. If I could somehow purchase another ten money shots, I would gladly pay nice money for it. Even if I had big big bucks, that situation will not change. And I bet many of us would give up a million bucks to reverse the clock 20 years.
Since I am in Germany infrequently, I am in the clubs on 3 to 4 consecutive days. By day 3, I am well on a path of diminishing returns. If I could somehow purchase another ten money shots, I would gladly pay nice money for it. Even if I had big big bucks, that situation will not change. And I bet many of us would give up a million bucks to reverse the clock 20 years.You can take Human growth hormone or testosterone to reverse your physical ability and cost you less than million.
I will do it when I hit 55 or when I cannot get it up I do consecutive days FKK too and I have difficulty after 4th days. When I was in my 20's, it was easier.
By the time I am in my 50's, side affect of human growth hormone will be less I hope.
Member #4581
10-24-15, 04:24
I said money shots. Did not say anything about getting it up.
I will do it when I hit 55 or when I cannot get it up I do consecutive days FKK too and I have difficulty after 4th days. When I was in my 20's, it was easier.
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PussyLiccker
10-24-15, 05:52
For me it's not the shots that are important, but the excitement that leads up to it. If you shoot too many times, you are cashed, so you won't get aroused as easily on wards. The girl can give you the porniest BJ with kinkiest look, but will not be exciting if you've shot too many times. Actually, I need the porniest BJ with kinkiest look when I'm out of bullets to magically shoot again. LOL. I tend to prefer GFE session when I'm cashed, porny sessions don't do it for me anymore. So, I limit my shot, so that I keep myself excited during the sessions. That is if I do lots of sessions.
I think some girls keep tab of this in the club. If they see you walk in and out couple times, they probably know either you are done or just harder to get you off. Just easier to work a guy that has been back up for awhile. The guy should get off easily. This is probably for those girls that like to work the customers quickly or CIM extra.
But, I guess if you are capable of doing many shots, that imply you can get aroused with many shots.
Sagami original has 0.01 mm in Japan. But it only has up to size L and it is too tight for me.
I hear, in Germany. Sagami original franchise the condom they sell and it is sold under different name.
Do they sell 0.01 mm condom in Germany? Or at least 0.02 mm condom?
Hmmm, I won't go into details of my life as my FKK-ing / mongering happen behind door and people around me won't even imagine I do this, it is my secret hobby.
If I was lucky or not? I think I was lucky than you and I will be lucky than you. This is not counter argument or firing back, it is just a fact, even though some things are not comparable, simply because it is all point of view.
However, you do not understand me. High school doesn't mean being clever, you should learn how to love women, they are more than dolls to fuck, usually, they are more clever than men. Even prostitutes feel how we look at them and behave from what they feel about us.
UltraHappy
10-24-15, 23:04
Question: Has this new law already been passed and now we are simply waiting for it to become effective? Or, has it not passed yet, but is in its final stages of being prepared to be voted on? I am unclear on the status of this new law.
There's been plenty of discussion about this on other threads, can't remember where, FAQ thread or so.
HB.
The prior discussions suggested that the new law was in its final stages but not that it had become finally passed / effective, at least at the time of this earlier discussion. I am not so familiar with the German legal system nor the current status of the law.
Well, nothing changed.
HB.Well, that's encouraging. At least there is still hope. Maybe the legislators will be distracted by refugee crisis and not get around to passing this new law? What do you think?
When will we know if the law doesn't pass and is shelved? Wasn't it scheduled to have an effective date of mid-next year or something like that?
Carpe Viam
10-25-15, 00:47
Sagami original has 0.01 mm in Japan. But it only has up to size L and it is too tight for me.
I hear, in Germany. Sagami original franchise the condom they sell and it is sold under different name.
Do they sell 0.01 mm condom in Germany? Or at least 0.02 mm condom?There is only 0.02 mm in Germany.
See also #4419 posted by XXL about this topic.
There is only 0.02 mm in Germany.
See also #4419 posted by XXL about this topic.OK it is better than one girls uses in FKK LOL.
And in EU size should be right, so I will go and buy them when I am in Germany next.
For me it's not the shots that are important, but the excitement that leads up to it. If you shoot too many times, you are cashed, so you won't get aroused as easily on wards. The girl can give you the porniest BJ with kinkiest look, but will not be exciting if you've shot too many times. Actually, I need the porniest BJ with kinkiest look when I'm out of bullets to magically shoot again. LOL. I tend to prefer GFE session when I'm cashed, porny sessions don't do it for me anymore. So, I limit my shot, so that I keep myself excited during the sessions. My goal is to come every time I go to a room--just like when I masturbate to porn.
Judging by the way most girls upsell, very few men have the discipline to "limit their shot". If you are really aroused, the natural tendency is to want to cum. Girls will try to convince me "baby you can't come, we need more time" or "baby you want that we make CIM". The girl knows that all the blood in the body is flowing to the other head, and the man's ability to negotiate is compromised. If I like the girl and she is doing well, I will generally give in, and throw more money until the desired outcome is reached. Because depending on the club, the next girl I pick I could be a scam-artist or an inexperienced girl. When I am running close to empty, I need a reliable girl. If I know I can't physically cum again, then there is no point to go to the room. Guess that could change if I reach pensioner age, and am still hobbying.
Hessen Bub
10-25-15, 11:03
Happens very rarely that I don't come in a session, below 5%. If I feel I will not be able to get hard again or to come I will not go to the room. But I also do not go to the room 5 or 6 times per day.
HB.
Nille Copenhagen
10-25-15, 11:37
My goal is to come every time I go to a room--just like when I masturbate to porn.
Judging by the way most girls upsell, very few men have the discipline to "limit their shot". If you are really aroused, the natural tendency is to want to cum. Girls will try to convince me "baby you can't come, we need more time" or "baby you want that we make CIM". The girl knows that all the blood in the body is flowing to the other head, and the man's ability to negotiate is compromised. If I like the girl and she is doing well, I will generally give in, and throw more money until the desired outcome is reached. Because depending on the club, the next girl I pick I could be a scam-artist or an inexperienced girl. When I am running close to empty, I need a reliable girl. If I know I can't physically cum again, then there is no point to go to the room. Guess that could change if I reach pensioner age, and am still hobbying.My goal is to have fun, I don't come every time, from my swinger and GB experiences it's better to fuck a lot and have lots of fun than coming a lot.
That's the beauty of being a local. You can go visit when you like (feeling horny), make 2- 4 shots, leave and come back a few days later whenever you feel like doing it all over again.
When I go overseas for several weeks it's hard to keep going at that speed for multiple days in a row. The first couple of days maybe, and then most of the "fun" or "crazy energy" is gone. My capacity is reduced to 1- 2 shots per day, and I may even take 1- 2 days off doing other stuff. Still fun, but it's a different game. Can't stay away for too long, but you become more selective and want to spend more quality time.
In the beginning I did try doing multiple weeks in Germany too, but found doing short trips a lot more giving. Short trips also results in more trips making more fun for your bucks. Short cheap flights help.
Member #4581
10-25-15, 16:13
Very true. I think the locals and frequent visitors have a totally different perspective and probably can't understand how the infrequent guests view and feel.
My visits to Germany don't even last a week or two weeks - all my visits are 3 to 4 days in a row. That's the only way it works for me. Perhaps there are supermen here who can keep shooting 3 or 4 times even on the 4th consecutive day. I can't.
However, it does not mean you can't session. And what I found about myself surprisingly, is that getting hard is not a problem. Well, not finishing so many times helps. So I go in, have a nice time in the room with the girl, and move on to the next. As PL said, the end goal is less important than the journey. When you are in Sharks on a Friday or Saturday night, with 70+ young tight bodies, Spending 50 or 100 for another session is an easy choice, especially when you know your next visit to the club is 3 months away.
That's the beauty of being a local. You can go visit when you like (feeling horny), make 2- 4 shots, leave and come back a few days later whenever you feel like doing it all over again.
When I go overseas for several weeks it's hard to keep going at that speed for multiple days in a row. The first couple of days maybe, and then most of the "fun" or "crazy energy" is gone. My capacity is reduced to 1- 2 shots per day, and I may even take 1- 2 days off doing other stuff. Still fun, but it's a different game. Can't stay away for too long, but you become more selective and want to spend more quality time.
In the beginning I did try doing multiple weeks in Germany too, but found doing short trips a lot more giving. Short trips also results in more trips making more fun for your bucks. Short cheap flights help.
Very true. I think the locals and frequent visitors have a totally different perspective and probably can't understand how the infrequent guests view and feel.
My visits to Germany don't even last a week or two weeks - all my visits are 3 to 4 days in a row. That's the only way it works for me. Perhaps there are supermen here who can keep shooting 3 or 4 times even on the 4th consecutive day. I can't.
However, it does not mean you can't session. And what I found about myself surprisingly, is that getting hard is not a problem. Well, not finishing so many times helps. So I go in, have a nice time in the room with the girl, and move on to the next. As PL said, the end goal is less important than the journey. When you are in Sharks on a Friday or Saturday night, with 70+ young tight bodies, Spending 50 or 100 for another session is an easy choice, especially when you know your next visit to the club is 3 months away.I assume you also have the jet-lag to deal with that I don't which makes it even harder.
For me end goal is important so I usually try new girls first and then regulars in the evenings to have better chance to cum.
UltraHappy
10-25-15, 16:32
Very true. I think the locals and frequent visitors have a totally different perspective and probably can't understand how the infrequent guests view and feel.
My visits to Germany don't even last a week or two weeks - all my visits are 3 to 4 days in a row. That's the only way it works for me. Perhaps there are supermen here who can keep shooting 3 or 4 times even on the 4th consecutive day. I can't.
My club schedule follows the rule of 3's. I can get 3 consecutive good days in the club. The 4th day is almost not worth it. So, I take a day off every fourth day. So, my trips will go something like this:
A three day trip with all three days in the club, or.
A 7 day trip that consists of 3 days in the club, 1 day off, and 3 final days in the club, or.
A 10 day trip that consists of 3 days in the club, 1 day off, 3 more club days, 1 day off, and then 3 final club days.
That's just what I found works best for me.
The trick is finding something to do on the day (s) off. Sometimes I use those off days to rest and move to a different location. Sometimes I go shopping or something.
The single three day trip is fun but also the most expensive on a per day basis when factoring in airfare from the States.
If I were a local, I would do things differently. Of course, that dream will have to wait until I reach pensioner age. And then, at that age, I'm sure my body won't be as motivated to go to the room as often as I go now. Of course, who knows what the world will look like by then and where the monger meccas of the world will be by then? Only time will tell. As the world becomes more globalized, I suspect the GDP and income gaps in countries around the world will decrease in the coming decades, and I also fear that the laws will take steps backwards on mongering as time goes on. Then again, who knows? Maybe some countries will become more progressive? Given the worldwide trends, I doubt it though.
My club schedule follows the rule of 3's. I can get 3 consecutive good days in the club. The 4th day is almost not worth it. So, I take a day off every fourth day. So, my trips will go something like this:
A three day trip with all three days in the club, or.
A 7 day trip that consists of 3 days in the club, 1 day off, and 3 final days in the club, or.
A 10 day trip that consists of 3 days in the club, 1 day off, 3 more club days, 1 day off, and then 3 final club days.
That's just what I found works best for me..I do around 10 consecutive days. Most consecutive days I have done was 14 days LOL I loved this feeling of totally sexed up feeling, almost feeling battered by sex that all you see is pussy everyday, so when I leave Germany. I am like I have done it. I did it and I do not want to go back to FKK for awhile as I am sexed up to the bone.
However, I am at 35 now and this summer I begin to have problem keeping it up during sessions. I have to say I was shocked a bit. I did get really sick one day, so maybe that is why, but still. Since then I re thought about my schedule.
I decided to give shot for 5 days visit or maybe just bit longer, but I will fly into Zürich to hit globe and also fly into / train into Frankfurt to hit palace or Oase, or sharks, so that I get more variety of girls I different LU and service at globe apparently is solidly promised.
As I get older, my physical capability of doing many consecutive FKK day may have its limit. I won't use medicine yet, but I will begin to research into this possibly upcoming problem I want to be pro monger till I die and I want to do multiple consecutive days, I just love that feeling after consecutive days of sexed up.
All For Bb
10-25-15, 23:24
As discussed, local and remote will be different, age too. My trip from remote to FKK usually last 4 days. I usually visit Oasi first day, Shark day 2, days 3 will be aca or symya, day 4 LR / GT or Phg / VV. Each day I go to room 5 to 10 times (record 13) and finish in the end of day, so one visit (4 days) about 30-40, usually different ones. So I keep count the number, about 3050 in past 10 years (about 1000 more then famous Hugh Hefner). That's my objectives. Each one have different objective and situation (local or remote).
As discussed, local and remote will be different, age too. My trip from remote to FKK usually last 4 days. I usually visit Oasi first day, Shark day 2, days 3 will be aca or symya, day 4 LR / GT or Phg / VV. Each day I go to room 5 to 10 times (record 13) and finish in the end of day, so one visit (4 days) about 30-40, usually different ones. So I keep count the number, about 3050 in past 10 years (about 1000 more then famous Hugh Hefner). That's my objectives. Each one have different objective and situation (local or remote).You goto the room 5 to 10 times each day? What? Wow, you must be machine, you manage this without any help of supplement or medicines?
When I was younger I was able to do 5 or max 7th with difficulty.
Now I face difficulty after 4th room, I am trying to fix this now to try to bring me back to my youth of 5 to 7 times zimmer a day.
How? Any solutions?
Because I want to zimmer more as possible LOL.
That's the beauty of being a local. You can go visit when you like (feeling horny), make 2- 4 shots, leave and come back a few days later whenever you feel like doing it all over again.
True. That is a luxury that a local has. There are no time constraints, and if you don't session with the girl today, you can always come back next week. My unable to cum rate is less than 5% like HB. That said if I were a tourist and not living in Europe, I'd probably do like Ultra Happy and take breaks in between. I'd probably go three hard days. Three days off. Then go three more hard days. FKK clubs aren't known to be good mid-week anyway. During the break, I'd just take a cheap Ryanair flight somewhere, like one of the capital cities of another EU country. I'd probably do some food tours, since I like to eat. Probably some walking tours, so I can take photos, buy gifts for people, and recite random trivia to friends and co-workers who ask me how my trip to Europe was.
Banana Boi
10-26-15, 02:51
My longest trip was 17-18 days. My break days are usually one of Sun / Mon / Tue, hitting 1 club only. About the only things other than clubbing I do is shop at Roermond Outlet mall or a nice dinner in downtown Frankfurt.
Vito Corleone
10-26-15, 07:57
As I get older, my physical capability of doing many consecutive FKK day may have its limit. I won't use medicine yet, but I will begin to research into this possibly upcoming problem I want to be pro monger till I die and I want to do multiple consecutive days, I just love that feeling after consecutive days of sexed up.Whatever you, don't overdose on the supplements like Lamar odom!
Hessen Bub
10-26-15, 09:30
You goto the room 5 to 10 times each day? What? Wow, you must be machine, you manage this without any help of supplement or medicines?
He didn't say he's finishing with all the girls.
HB.
Whatever you, don't overdose on the supplements like Lamar odom!Hahaha first to die in FKK during zimmer! LOL Live and die in FKK)))).
With supplement you do not over dose though . It is supplements, not drugs or medicine.
He didn't say he's finishing with all the girls.
HBRight, with me I finish each zimmer, in worst case I jerk off and then do finishing inside her at last minute, but I hate that. I never had this till this summer, so I am going to fix this, I want to fuck like sexual animal 5 to 7 times like I used!
I assume you also have the jet-lag to deal with that I don't which makes it even harder.
For me end goal is important so I usually try new girls first and then regulars in the evenings to have better chance to cum.Jet lag can be solved with melatonin and also go to goalitzer park to buy some herbs from Nigerian business men in Bush wearing hip hop clothes! Herbal treatment!
All For Bb
10-26-15, 13:42
I hold till last session.
FormulaOneFan
10-27-15, 00:16
I too am a tourist FKK client, so when I'm in country I have to take the best advantage of the time I have. I don't spend all day / night in the clubs as I do like to take in any culture I can find, but even when I'm low on power I like to visit the clubs and spend some quality time with the girls.
My last trip was 8 consecutive day / nights and I feel like I paced things pretty well. I prefer to finish every session, but at my age (43) I know its not always possible. That said, the girl (s) can definitely influence my ability to finish. Lackluster mechanical performance can easily end up with no finish no matter how many rooms I've done on the trip, and spectacular service can push me to the finish line even if I've been on a multi-day / multi-room binge.
Max finishes in sessions per day I've done in FKK was 7 (morning at Dietzenbach, evening at Oase). On my rest days I still go to FKK, but as others have said its still enjoyable to have good sessions with beautiful ladies even if it doesn't end with a finish. Lowest # has been a lowly 1, but that was with 3 trips to the room (last of the day).
UltraHappy
10-27-15, 00:59
but at my age (43).
Max finishes in sessions per day I've done in FKK was 7 (morning at Dietzenbach, evening at Oase). 7 in one day? At 43 years old?
We're not worthy!
FormulaOneFan
10-27-15, 01:39
7 in one day? At 43 years old?
We're not worthy!It was day1 of the trip, I had been on a very long drought, and was very well rested and full of energy! Next day was a mere 2 finishes in 4 sessions. I'm a mere mortal, just had a surge of energy.
It was day1 of the trip, I had been on a very long drought, and was very well rested and full of energy! Next day was a mere 2 finishes in 4 sessions. I'm a mere mortal, just had a surge of energy.There must be a way for us to able to have like let say 5 zimmer, 5 cum even at middle age or even older age.
Are there any way to do this beside Viagra?
Global1810
10-27-15, 01:55
Max finishes in sessions per day I've done in FKK was 7 (morning at Dietzenbach, evening at Oase).FormulaOneFan. How was Dietzenbach? Was it worth breaking the day between there and Oase? Or just spend entire day at Oase? Or at Dietzenbach?
I am trying to decide the same myself. I have never been to either. Only Sharks in this area.
I hold till last session.You must be very patience man, very Zen indeed.
Me I squeeze till my last drop LOL.
Hey folks,
Newbie here.
I have been following this forum for a while and started contributing recently.
After reading up on the FKK scene, I have made a plan and would like to request advice from those of you more experienced.
Never been to a FKK but will have 1,5 days in Frankfurt in 10 days or so.
After having read the forum, the "ideal" places to visit seem to be Sharks (best lineup) , Palace (OK lineup, high numbers but many sharks), Mainhattan (good overall).
Will be traveling with a buddy and our preference is young good looking girls providing GFE most likely.
We do not plan on leaving the FKK's during our stay there, perhaps 1,5 days is too long? Would we get bored from the scene?
Either way, our plan is to rent a car, go to shark's stay there until bed time then check out palace and Mainhattan the next day.
Does this plan sound OK or are we about to get ripped off and / or not entertained as we could be?
This is what I came up with, any criticism or input is highly appreciated, thanks.
StarletVoyager
10-27-15, 20:51
My usual time in Frankfurt is 10 days as last summer and believe me I didn't get bored. I would advise you to skip Mainhatten and Palace and definitely do Oase for the experience and girls you like. It'll be 25 euros each for you and your friend each way and all cab drivers know Oase if you don't have time to figure out the public transport. Have a good time. I'm hitting Artemis December travel details soon. SV. Oh Sharks will be great for a first timer too.
My usual time in Frankfurt is 10 days as last summer and believe me I didn't get bored. I would advise you to skip Mainhatten and Palace and definitely do Oase for the experience and girls you like. It'll be 25 euros each for you and your friend each way and all cab drivers know Oase if you don't have time to figure out the public transport. Have a good time. I'm hitting Artemis December travel details soon. SV. Oh Sharks will be great for a first timer too.Thanks man, will hit up Sharks first for sure then.
All For Bb
10-28-15, 02:49
You must be very patience man, very Zen indeed.
Me I squeeze till my last drop LOL.As I said earlier my objective is fuck and play as many young pussies as I can. The only way is hold, fuck and fuck, play and play, until last one that I feel interest I can fuck than finish. Otherwise I may (can) do 2-3 one visit. Now I can do 5 to 10 (13 the record), depend on how many fuckable young pussy available for my taste. Finish is not too important.
As I said earlier my objective is fuck and play as many young pussies as I can. The only way is hold, fuck and fuck, play and play, until last one that I feel interest I can fuck than finish. Otherwise I may (can) do 2-3 one visit. Now I can do 5 to 10 (13 the record), depend on how many fuckable young pussy available for my taste. Finish is not too important.OK, FKK has different uses for different type of mongers. I know some guys according to girls who just come and mostly chat, even in room, just ask for normal massage and chat.
FormulaOneFan
10-28-15, 05:39
FormulaOneFan. How was Dietzenbach? Was it worth breaking the day between there and Oase? Or just spend entire day at Oase? Or at Dietzenbach?
I am trying to decide the same myself. I have never been to either. Only Sharks in this area.Dietzenbach is very different than Oase, so it really depends on what your goals are. The # of girls and the quality is VERY different between Dietz and the top tier clubs like Oase or Sharks. I wouldn't consider spending an entire day at Dietzenbach. It's tiny, has at most 15 ladies working any given day, and there's no spa amenities to speak of really to pass the time between sessions. If I go there its usually because my flight landed mid-morning and I want to kill some time before I check into my hotel. It does have the advantage of being a budget club. Cheaper entry and session cost (and AO if that's your thing, but it's optional).
If you're looking for a new experience, I would recommend Oase over Dietzenbach.
All For Bb
10-29-15, 02:48
OK, FKK has different uses for different type of mongers. I know some guys according to girls who just come and mostly chat, even in room, just ask for normal massage and chat.I lick, kiss, play and fuck pussies.
I lick, kiss, play and fuck pussies.I push myself to the limit, I try to position myself as Extreme athlete in sport of FKK. LOL.
There are a lot more I must learn in this sport of depth LOL.
As a traveling monger, train ticket price in Germany as so strange.
Why is it when you buy ticket online it is much much cheaper than buying ticket in train station.
And even on line, Second class saving price cost about 38 Euro for Return Berlin to Frankfurt, and second class standard price is about 130 Euro. Who would click to choose Standard price and why the price is so different for same seating class and same duration time with same non stop train. I do not get the difference between standard and saving price, plus why is it so so cheap to buy it on line than in train station.
StarletVoyager
10-29-15, 18:50
They sell tickets cheap online to try and fill up seats well in advance so the train is not half empty. This depends on the time of day. Second class tickets will be more at peak business times like 7-9 am and 4-6 pm. Also remember alot of business people will opt for any ticket that includes extras like seat allocation, drinks etc etc as their companies are paying.
They sell tickets cheap online to try and fill up seats well in advance so the train is not half empty. This depends on the time of day. Second class tickets will be more at peak business times like 7-9 am and 4-6 pm. Also remember alot of business people will opt for any ticket that includes extras like seat allocation, drinks etc etc as their companies are paying.If I take train around let say 8 AM from Berlin HB to Frankfurt. Do you think it will be packed in second class? Or rather half empty.
I took train before in Germany and medium distance can be packed like not possible to sit, but long distance one, I always got the impression that train is mostly half empty and Berlin Frankfurt is long distance train.
But difference is ticket price is huge if you buy it in advance on internet. We mongers are organized bunch when we fly in to Germany, so it is well worth for us to buy ticket on line since we know the date of travelling.
If I take train around let say 8 AM from Berlin HB to Frankfurt. Do you think it will be packed in second class? Or rather half empty.
I took train before in Germany and medium distance can be packed like not possible to sit, but long distance one, I always got the impression that train is mostly half empty and Berlin Frankfurt is long distance train.
But difference is ticket price is huge if you buy it in advance on internet. We mongers are organized bunch when we fly in to Germany, so it is well worth for us to buy ticket on line since we know the date of travelling.http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article106381146/Mit-diesen-Tricks-umgehen-Sie-rappelvolle-Zuege.html
Hessen Bub
10-30-15, 10:55
They sell tickets cheap online to try and fill up seats well in advance so the train is not half empty. This depends on the time of day.Same like all airlines do.
HB.
Same like all airlines do.
HB.Hustlers LOL.
StarletVoyager
10-31-15, 04:06
I wouldn't take the train at 8 am as it is peak times so highest fare. Wait till 10 am at least. That early I think the train will be packed with local regional commuters but should empty out the further you are from Berlin.
I wouldn't take the train at 8 am as it is peak times so highest fare. Wait till 10 am at least. That early I think the train will be packed with local regional commuters but should empty out the further you are from Berlin.Aha. Thank you.
As for fare I found it for around 39 Euro second class, return ticket on same day. More earlier one seems more expensive.
As for packedness hmmm I guess I may have to stand for awhile then since I am going out from Berlin, it maybe not that bad?
I am going to give thought to this schedule:
Based in Artemis do Artemis few days like 3 days in total.
Go one day trip (same day return) to Frankfurt (palace, I like it, I know the upsell, I can handle it I am quite well trained LOL).
Go one day trip to Zurich (same day return) to Zurich (globe).
Something like above can be good schedule since palace do not change LU drastically from one day to another and I guess Globe the same. So it make sense to just hit it for one day to have more variety of girls.
I thought it is good decision as flight to zurich and train to frankfurt-Berlin is not expensive as I thought as long as you book it in advance.
PussyLiccker
10-31-15, 22:08
It's not about difficulties of handling the upsell if you've been around enough clubs with upselling girls. You just need to explicitly let her know before the room or negotiate. Which are things I'm not into doing. That is because I club at the NRW too where I don't find the need to talk about this before the room. If you attend Artemis or Palace enough, and know girls that you've been in the room with, you already know which ones were bad sessions to rule them out, and repeat the ones you had good sessions with. If you are a newbie, haven't been with that many girls, it's more of challenge. So a tourist that do not know the girls would most likely have bad luck in sharkier clubs. In this case, reports by other tourists helps. Also, you have relatively little idea of what a good service is if you've not run into ones that provide top service, so for a newbie in a sharky club would have no baseline to have a good idea.
StarletVoyager
10-31-15, 22:18
1 day trips returning on the same day to Berlin and globe will be very tiring and not relaxing like 9 hours train in one day. What I use to do was leave my hotel room untouched in my base location and then do at least 2 day visits eg based in cologne and visiting frankfurt, loosing one day hotel in cologne but having a base to leave your things especially if you are not driving. with budget hotels this strange plan of mine did work enabling me not to have to carry around luggage but to do a quick weekend dash down to oase getting enough rest in frankfurt too.
It's not about difficulties of handling the upsell if you've been around enough clubs with upselling girls. You just need to explicitly let her know before the room or negotiate. Which are things I'm not into doing. That is because I club at the NRW too where I don't find the need to talk about this before the room. If you attend Artemis or Palace enough, and know girls that you've been in the room with, you already know which ones were bad sessions to rule them out, and repeat the ones you had good sessions with. If you are a newbie, haven't been with that many girls, it's more of challenge. So a tourist that do not know the girls would most likely have bad luck in sharkier clubs. In this case, reports by other tourists helps. Also, you have relatively little idea of what a good service is if you've not run into ones that provide top service, so for a newbie in a sharky club would have no baseline to have a good idea.I got fetish for certain things girls would not normally like to do and this is not possible most of times to negotiate. Now and then, I find one of those girls who are still soft in FKK games and I do these things, but it only last for while till they refuse and I even got black listed by one of my favorite for awhile LOL. She and I came to term she will do it for me sometimes, and so far she do it for me once before I leave Germany. My thing just do not end with DFK, it is more dirty LOL)).
However, I booked Zurich one day in and out flight with Air Berlin, so let see how I like globe! It is early morning flight from Berlin and 9 PM flight out of Zurich, so I got full one day at Globe. I hope I get the service I want at Globe.
Excuse me for asking about Globe Zurich, but it kinda close to Germany via flight and I decided to add it on if I like it to my FKK trip So I got just three questions.
Are there any outside area in Globe Zurich to take a breath of fresh air? If so is it open during winter?
Also where is the best place to locate the girls at Globe Zurich? EG: Oase is downstairs by changing room / restaurant as you can see girls under light and also see girls coming outside from changing room.
Are there any spot like this in Globe Zurich to locate girls and see them under clear lighting instead of normally dark light main bar area?
How are Line up on Sunday, still good enough? Also is it busy with many men on Sunday or it is OK and not crowded with many men on Sunday?
PussyLiccker
11-01-15, 07:33
I got fetish for certain things girls would not normally like to do and this is not possible most of times to negotiate. Now and then, I find one of those girls who are still soft in FKK games and I do these things, but it only last for while till they refuse and I even got black listed by one of my favorite for awhile LOL. She and I came to term she will do it for me sometimes, and so far she do it for me once before I leave Germany. My thing just do not end with DFK, it is more dirty LOL)).
Well, that's true. Negotiations are not the best time to bring up more kinky stuff if you don't know her. LOL. It's for stuff like DFK or extras you prefer. One time a girl asked me what is the dirtiest stuff I like. I couldn't think of anything beyond what she was doing so we agreed I think of something for next time.
Banana Boi
11-01-15, 07:54
You confuse me Mr. Ho. You bicker about a few extra euro for a train yet you want to hit a club in Switzerland. You're not going to find anything at Globe other than higher prices that you can't find at say Sharks, Oase, GT, and ACA. If you want to visit Switzerland, that's great. Easily my favorite country I have visited in Europe and on my short list as a place to retire.
PussyLiccker
11-01-15, 08:13
I think it's just preference in types of girls and/or Berlin is just more convenient with known girls there. NRW is a bit spread out if you don't drive around besides the easier to access clubs. My first year I took the train around everywhere. Looking back, it was a bit of a pain (and exciting to checkout unknown spots), but got an idea of some of the major spots. One of my trips I took made an itinerary to Dus, Bruggen, Hamburg, and Berlin. Have not done Beyern yet.
You confuse me Mr. Ho. You bicker about a few extra euro for a train yet you want to hit a club in Switzerland. You're not going to find anything at Globe other than higher prices that you can't find at say Sharks, Oase, GT, and ACA. If you want to visit Switzerland, that's great. Easily my favorite country I have visited in Europe and on my short list as a place to retire.I got ticket today for 137 Euro return ticket with air Berlin.
Some, quite few of my fav were former ex globe and they tell me good story about globe for us mongers. For girls I hear globe is tough place to work apparently.
Let see if it matches expectation, that is why I only visit one day and one day only.
Well, that's true. Negotiations are not the best time to bring up more kinky stuff if you don't know her. LOL. It's for stuff like DFK or extras you prefer. One time a girl asked me what is the dirtiest stuff I like. I couldn't think of anything beyond what she was doing so we agreed I think of something for next time.I got lucky few times with only 30 min 60 euro session, but mostly it is hard. What I do is to take her for 30 min first and see if she does DFK etc, then if she does I escalate by extending the session, plus I repeat same girls I like, so I become kinda friend with her, so it soften things up a bit.
I think it's just preference in types of girls and/or Berlin is just more convenient with known girls there. NRW is a bit spread out if you don't drive around besides the easier to access clubs. My first year I took the train around everywhere. Looking back, it was a bit of a pain (and exciting to checkout unknown spots), but got an idea of some of the major spots. One of my trips I took made an itinerary to Dus, Bruggen, Hamburg, and Berlin. Have not done Beyern yet.Hessen was easy to move around. Oase and Sharks was easy to access by train and just 10 euro for taxi.
Palace is train and little walk that was even shorter than artemis to westkreuz.
People were right about sharks service level, but hmmm Line up was not good the day I went. Oase I got one good service girl and one total disaster in service (but the girl was hot).
See I begin to hate playing game for good service in FKK, so if globe can fix that prob by paying double, I would not mind flying in for one day for deep intense sessions.
Other day I will do softer ones at German fkks where service is not guaranteed.
Let see how globe is though but it is early morning flight I hope I make it to tegel on time)).
You confuse me Mr. Ho. You bicker about a few extra euro for a train yet you want to hit a club in Switzerland. You're not going to find anything at Globe other than higher prices that you can't find at say Sharks, Oase, GT, and ACA. If you want to visit Switzerland, that's great. Easily my favorite country I have visited in Europe and on my short list as a place to retire.Let him go and get it out of his system Banana Boi. Everybody should go at least once, and then decide for himself about mongering in Switzerland. If he's like most of us, he'll decide that in the grand scheme of things, it's not worth it, and that places like Germany and Spain are a much better deal in Europe. Let the man go and see for himself. That way, he'll have no "what ifs" later on in his mongering life. The thing that's going to tick me off with Germany though is if I can no longer get BBBJ / CIM service. Well, at least not "legally" anyway hehehe!
PussyLiccker
11-01-15, 22:23
I got lucky few times with only 30 min 60 euro session, but mostly it is hard. What I do is to take her for 30 min first and see if she does DFK etc, then if she does I escalate by extending the session, plus I repeat same girls I like, so I become kinda friend with her, so it soften things up a bit.Not hard. Be a man! Only thing hard should be is your peter. Well, I guess Artemis the girls are Sharky. Big clubs for the most part with be like this. I've done enough punting in big ones, and not worth the sharkiness or business atttitde. I'd check the talent out, but that's it. Too many club options with Romanians everywhere. So, don't make much a difference for me. I'll eventually find some girl I will like enough.
The better girls are the ones you treat them well, and not manipulative. Well, atleast in the begining.
I can see quick rooms with PSE with guys backed up for a long time as Artemis seems to be the club for it. GFE would take a long time. So, if the girl want make much money on time, GFE type with the right punter would work out well.
If you do lots of extras with anal and all that (or extremely long rooms), she would prefer ties with you and probably soften up for stuff since losing the ties would drop the guarantee of income. That is if you see her enough. I like the ones naturally soften up without any of this mattering. Hell, this is P46 anyway.
Hessen Bub
11-01-15, 22:35
Not Well, I guess Artemis the girls are Sharky. Big clubs for the most part with be like this. It's not the size. It's management and client mix.
Re Globe: Go and see for yourself. It's more than double the price for a standard session, no food included. Place isn't as busy as it used to be.
HB.
PussyLiccker
11-01-15, 22:38
It's not the size. That's not what I said bro.
Hessen Bub
11-01-15, 22:55
That's not what I said bro.No? That's how I read it. What did you say?
HB.
ShoesAndSocks
11-01-15, 23:52
Excuse me for asking about Globe ZurichMr Ho, I have answered your questions in the Zurich sub-forum. As others interested in Globe may benefit from it, best to have the info there rather than here.
Thanks guys I use this to thanks all for replies.
Mr Shoes and socks, what a user name you have chosen. I checked out Zurich thread, thanks I need fresh air in FKK and that is what I do not like with FKK palace. No place to go out side. It is relief to know FKK globe has outdoor area even in winter, I go take a quick smoke there to get away for 5 minutes, I like quick fresh air in FKK, so I feel renewed and when I get back inside, I feel like I revisited the club.
Mr HB, I go and check it out, the flight is booked, so unless I missed early morning flight I be there soon I am preparing my body for it now as for me FKK trip is like sport, so I got to get my body ready food, work out etc, I take sport of FKK seriously.
Mr Pussylicker, yeah it is true, but I get sometimes tired of tuning girls into to what I want to do. I want to relax in FKK without hustling or playing game or too much negotiating, so I see if globe will fix this problem by just paying double for full 30 min session. It is true that no matter how experience you are there are new girls who are first time zimmer with you and they try to feel your wallet level etc. And sometimes, they say shit like cum baby cum. It spoil the fucking mood, so I may prefer globe style if it is you get what you pay for without hustling or negotiating.
Let him go and get it out of his system Banana Boi. Everybody should go at least once, and then decide for himself about mongering in Switzerland. If he's like most of us, he'll decide that in the grand scheme of things, it's not worth it, and that places like Germany and Spain are a much better deal in Europe. Let the man go and see for himself. That way, he'll have no "what ifs" later on in his mongering life. The thing that's going to tick me off with Germany though is if I can no longer get BBBJ / CIM service. Well, at least not "legally" anyway hehehe!Yeah, I am going there soon, ticket booked, but I am flying in from Berlin into Zurich in the morning and flying out back to Berlin at night 9 PM flight.
I will see if I like it. Many of my past fav being ex globe girls, I got the feeling that I might.
Artemis, Globe and maybe taking train to Frankfurt to hit one of FKK there can be good mix of FKK line up for me.
I have been doing consecutive days at one FKK for years, and I noticed Line up do not change much in matter of days or even weeks, so I more or less was getting same line up. , so instead I decided to try moving around a bit, yes took me long enough LOL.
I liked Hessen for FKK hopping this summer, but hmmm I was not so much into sharks the LU was not that good, but girls were friendly, good service. Oase, I liked food surprisingly there due to Italian touch of the place, pizza and pasta and coffee was good, LU is OK. Palace I liked, but a lot of upsell, but one day each is good and one FKK is enough for me from Hessen. Artemis still have balanced LU, alot of Romanians still though.
Any news on the BBBJ law?
Does any of you guys work out, like mild weight training?
I am not talking heavy lifting body building type weight training here. But let say 5 KG free weight training for 20 min to 30 min every 48 hours or so.
Do you think such training enhance mens sexual appetite?
Once I worked out at down stairs gym of Artemis and had session right after, I had stronger orgasm?
Does weight training have impact on Election, libido and orgasm??
Also steam room is ok, but when I take sauna. I have hard time getting my dick up. Are there any relation with sauna and election?
Hessen Bub
11-02-15, 19:30
Are there any relation with sauna and election?You have to ask Donald Trump. ;)
HB.
Member #4581
11-02-15, 19:42
"Does weight training have impact on Election, libido and orgasm?
Well, at least in the US, rightwing Christian conservative pols are the ones who decry too much libido (of their opponents), especially around election time with an intent to send their followers into a collective holier than thou orgasm (although half of these same pols were caught in the bathrooms with pants down, and with young boys to boot. A certain ex speaker who pleaded guilty most recently comes to mind, and from the looks of it, he does not appear to have done much weight training, if any).
Does weight training have impact on Election, libido and orgasm??
Also steam room is ok, but when I take sauna. I have hard time getting my dick up. Are there any relation with sauna and election?Thermal stress (sauna) triggers the release of cortisol which is not good for the sex-drive. However if you've had one shot already, the time you spend doing sauna and recharging you batteris before going at it again should more than compensate for this.
Regarding weight-lifting, I recommend EMS (electro-muscle stimulation). Not cheap but efficient. 20 minutes a week = a full 4-hour training. It works.
Taking DHEA is also a good idea.
You have to ask Donald Trump. ;)
HB.Across far from you on other side of planet Earth, I thought this one deeply, but I don't get this one, what do you mean by this Mr HB?
He clearly do not work out LOL.
Maybe ask Sly (Sylvester Stallone), he looks bigger and shape than when he was younger, he must be horny if weight training has relation to libido and erection LOL.
Thermal stress (sauna) triggers the release of cortisol which is not good for the sex-drive. However if you've had one shot already, the time you spend doing sauna and recharging you batteris before going at it again should more than compensate for this.
Regarding weight-lifting, I recommend EMS (electro-muscle stimulation). Not cheap but efficient. 20 minutes a week = a full 4-hour training. It works.
Taking DHEA is also a good idea.EMS? Do Omron sells them? Because I have this electric pad thing for muscle pain, it is mobile one, so I take it to my trips and when they open my bag in airport, they look at me like I am carrying some torture device or something LOL I mean it has pad and it gives electricity to body so LOL.
DHEA is steroid. Does it give you more libido and hardcore erection? If so I do not mind taking it for little more than one week as my trip is about 11 days. Have you tried it?
I do feel more horny after weight training. I wonder if there is relation between lifting weight and sexual appetite and performance.
"Does weight training have impact on Election, libido and orgasm?
Well, at least in the US, rightwing Christian conservative pols are the ones who decry too much libido (of their opponents), especially around election time with an intent to send their followers into a collective holier than thou orgasm (although half of these same pols were caught in the bathrooms with pants down, and with young boys to boot. A certain ex speaker who pleaded guilty most recently comes to mind, and from the looks of it, he does not appear to have done much weight training, if any).AHHHH now I got it, so sorry guys, I meant Erection LOL.
Remember I am Japanese who cannot pronounce are, so I may not able to spell right either LOL.
ShoesAndSocks
11-02-15, 23:41
Does any of you guys work out, like mild weight training?While training will help with any activity, I think my frame of mind is more important in terms of making the most of mongering trips.
I can think of many times when I've really surprised myself late in a FKK visit because I stumlbed upon a lady who really got me going.
And, struggling many other times when I couldn't get into the right mood for a variety of reasons.
While training will help with any activity, I think my frame of mind is more important in terms of making the most of mongering trips.
I can think of many times when I've really surprised myself late in a FKK visit because I stumlbed upon a lady who really got me going.
And, struggling many other times when I couldn't get into the right mood for a variety of reasons.Haha, you read through me right Mr As you said "Making most of mongering trips" matter a lot to me since I travel far and simply I love consecutive FKK-ing!
Thus, I seek for things that are harmless, but help me to maximize pleasure from my FKK trip from half the way around the world.
Right, girl matter a lot, so answer maybe Globe Zurich for me? Well I will find out.
But DHEA as someone suggested maybe interesting just for FKK trip and right before, I work out, so I know DHEA is type of steroid, I know that. But I wonder if it enhances orgasm or erection (Not election LOL) or libido by taking DHEA?
Any news on the BBBJ law?This is most threatening danger for our extinction in Germany LOL.
This law pass, then I ain't stepping my foot in to Germany ever again LOL They want to destroy and terminate us mongers, this is matter of human right that deserves UN attention!
ShoesAndSocks
11-03-15, 11:04
This law pass, then I ain't stepping my foot in to Germany ever again LOL They want to destroy and terminate us mongers, this is matter of human right that deserves UN attention!Based on what happened where I live, it wouldn't be the end of BBBJ, rather the start of a new pricing model ...
Do you want the "standard" service? (CBJ and starfish fuck) for EUR 50, or the "deluxe wink, wink" service (what you used to get, and still desperately want) for EUR 100-150.
And, you'll go "deluxe", won't you.
Is this what happens in Munich / Bavaria where BBBJ is "banned".
Why make laws that can't be enforced? I assume there wouldn't be Zimmer-Polizei stationed in every room.
Based on what happened where I live, it wouldn't be the end of BBBJ, rather the start of a new pricing model ...
Do you want the "standard" service? (CBJ and starfish fuck) for EUR 50, or the "deluxe wink, wink" service (what you used to get, and still desperately want) for EUR 100-150.
And, you'll go "deluxe", won't you.
Is this what happens in Munich / Bavaria where BBBJ is "banned".
Why make laws that can't be enforced? I assume there wouldn't be Zimmer-Polizei stationed in every room.Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? LOL This law gives legal right to FKK girls to hustle us even more? I did not think of this law in this way till now LOL.
For first time in my life I want to be one of those guy who protest on street front of federal building LOL.
This BBBJ law going to kill us monger, it is written to terminate mongers human right!
Do you want the "standard" service? (CBJ and starfish fuck) for EUR 50, or the "deluxe wink, wink" service (what you used to get, and still desperately want) for EUR 100-150.
And, you'll go "deluxe", won't you.
Is this what happens in Munich / Bavaria where BBBJ is "banned".
This doesn't happen currently in Bavaria, where it is still possible to get BBBJ for 50 EUR standard price. Girls know that the customer can simply just drive another 150 km west and get BBBJ for 50 EUR.
NRW room pricing changed recently. Some attributed it to Oceans introducing 50 EUR per hour. Then there was a domino effect because GT, LR, and Magnum all changed their official pricing. I am guessing some girls probably offer retroactive pricing to their most loyal customers.
This doesn't happen currently in Bavaria, where it is still possible to get BBBJ for 50 EUR standard price. Girls know that the customer can simply just drive another 150 km west and get BBBJ for 50 EUR.Yes, but what happens if the Bavarian restriction goes nationwide, and now all of a sudden, no matter what direction you go in you're not supposed to have access to BBBJ services anymore? In that circumstance, there will be great temptation on the part of some girls to try to price gouge. We shouldn't allow them to get away with it! The position I will take and hold steadfast to is that I will pay 50 additional EUR under the exact same conditions as before. That would be for a BBBJ that ends with my sperm in her mouth. Those would be my conditions. I'm not paying more just for the mere "privilege" of a BBBJ. It must be bare ending with jizz in her mouth. If she doesn't accept as stated, then no deal and no additional payment for BJ services. We must stand strong and hold the line on prices!
Member #4581
11-03-15, 13:29
Of course Mr Ho, we realised you had a typo but we just used it as an excuse to make fun of our favorite political targets, LOL.
AHHHH now I got it, so sorry guys, I meant Erection LOL.
Remember I am Japanese who cannot pronounce are, so I may not able to spell right either LOL.
Why make laws that can't be enforced? I assume there wouldn't be Zimmer-Polizei stationed in every room.Alas, they do get enforced. Many girls report having been fined for giving BBBJ in Bavaria. A 2nd fine means they become second offenders.
The police send undercover cops, or sentence the girl on the basis of client's testimonies. An investigation can be initiated when a girl accuses another.
Citizen Kane
11-03-15, 18:07
Some attributed it to Oceans introducing 50 EUR per hour.50 EUR per hour!
I'm still not going back...
NRW room pricing changed recently. Some attributed it to Oceans introducing 50 EUR per hour. Then there was a domino effect because GT, LR, and Magnum all changed their official pricing. I am guessing some girls probably offer retroactive pricing to their most loyal customers.You mean rate in NRW increasing to 100/ h, out of Samya, Aca, AcaGold, when Oceans opened 1 year ago.
Usually, in NRW, CIM is 25 and anal 50 , DFK should be included in standard rate. Not like in GT with +25 for DFK and +25 for DATY, with German gang.
ShoesAndSocks
11-03-15, 19:13
The police send undercover cops, or sentence the girl on the basis of client's testimonies. An investigation can be initiated when a girl accuses another.Really, you get busted by an undressed & uncovered "undercover" cop!
Or, dobbed in by an arsehole after you've sucked his cock? Now, that's below the belt! That really does suck.
Oh, the cruel ironies of life.
In Australia, back in the good old days of illegal brothels posing as "massage parlours", cops apparently couldn't enforce any law whilst naked. So, WLs would always wait until you were undressed before starting negotiations for anything beyond a massage.
Member #4581
11-03-15, 19:41
Hmm, I wonder about the undercover cops. When it comes to prostitution, I think there has to be exchange of cash before the cop can arrest the girl, but the cop does not have to disrobe yet. But if the specific charge is of BBBJ, would n't the cop at least have to disrobe, and the girl make an attempt to perform fellatio sans the condom? Otherwise, how can the charge be proven? At least in the US, cops dont disrobe or attempt to get down to a sex act to make the arrest..
Alas, they do get enforced. Many girls report having been fined for giving BBBJ in Bavaria. A 2nd fine means they become second offenders.
The police send undercover cops, or sentence the girl on the basis of client's testimonies. An investigation can be initiated when a girl accuses another.
I know a girl who did massage with happy-ending outside the area where that was allowed. She said the cops came in twos, one waiting outside, probably with mikes / receptors. That's why girls were immediately distrustful when two customers came at the same time. The cop let himself be massaged (unsexually). As soon as the girl grasped the cock, the cop came out of cover. That girl told me the caretaker of the property management was in cahoots with the owner of the massage parlour and warned him of an impending cop visit or raid. It was the caretaker of the property management who collected complaints from some of the renters / owners of appartments in the building ("families" worried about the danger to their children, the usual crap) and forwarded them to the police so he knew. The caretaker then warned the massage parlour and girls were instructed to be particularly watchful.
In German courts if a judge is satisfied something took place, you're toast. So cops can wait outside an address and question clients when they come out. Out of 10 or 20 clients some will get scared and spill the beans.
A clien'ts or a few clients' testimonies are enough to secure a conviction. It cuts no ice in court for the girl to say: "BS, they're lying, I never did it, the police want to get me etc. ".
You can ask some girls in FKKs whether they worked in Bavaria. One girl at Sharks told me a "friend of hers" (who could be herself, of course) was fined in Munich.
Where it could get nasty of course is if they introduce the practise of holding the FKK or the brothel responsible for any breach. A few cases could lead to the place being closed. Bad-case scenario. Until now my understanding is that the girl is solely responsible (which makes sense since she is supposed to be a free agent).
Note that some girls (most girls) welcome the BBBJ ban. One girl told me so at Paradise Saarbrücken. This makes sense when you come to think of it: the less is included in the standard service, the more money is to be made with extras. And even if they don't sell the extra, BBBJ is one thing they won't feel obliged to provide.
UltraHappy
11-04-15, 03:32
We still have Austria and Spain. BBBJ is still permitted in both of those locals, although perhaps not as ubiquitously as in Germany.
Austria is usually 60 Euros / half hour, and they have pretty good FKKs there as well.
As far as I know, no one has credibly confirmed that the new BBBJ ban has successfully passed so far, only that it is in its so-called "final stages. " So, we don't even know if the law will be finally passed for sure. If anyone has more specific updated information on this front, please chime in.
If this law passes and gains traction, perhaps this will push more tourists to Austria and Spain instead of Germany? Lately, I've been splitting my time between Germany and Austria anyways since one of my girls who used to work in Frankfurt moved to Austria almost 3 years ago. So, I make side trips to go see her every now and then. I would have no problem moving my holiday trips to Austria if pushed to do so. I would not like having to pay 60 Euros instead of 50 Euros, but it would not be the end of the world I suppose.
ShoesAndSocks
11-04-15, 06:26
If this law passes and gains traction, perhaps this will push more tourists to Austria and Spain instead of Germany?That would be a consequence for sure. Also Switzerland, but at greater cost.
We would also need to be very circumspect with our reporting by the sound of it.
I always think anyone who loves these FKK clubs, or is curious but has never tried them yet, should make the most of it now, because there are no guarantees it will last forever.
Vito Corleone
11-04-15, 09:06
Hmm, I wonder about the undercover cops. When it comes to prostitution, I think there has to be exchange of cash before the cop can arrest the girl, but the cop does not have to disrobe yet. But if the specific charge is of BBBJ, would n't the cop at least have to disrobe, and the girl make an attempt to perform fellatio sans the condom? Otherwise, how can the charge be proven? At least in the US, cops dont disrobe or attempt to get down to a sex act to make the arrest..Not sure about the entrapment laws in Germany but I'll assume depends on various areas of Germany. I don't think it will get that far. The cop would have to get the girl to agree a certain amount of money for BBBJ.
How common is it to find a lady who will swallow on CIM in FKKs? It's only ever happened to me twice by Anna in ERW and it was incredibly intimate!
If this law passes and gains traction, perhaps this will push more tourists to Austria and Spain instead of Germany? Lately, I've been splitting my time between Germany and Austria anyways since one of my girls who used to work in Frankfurt moved to Austria almost 3 years ago. So, I make side trips to go see her every now and then. I would have no problem moving my holiday trips to Austria if pushed to do so. I would not like having to pay 60 Euros instead of 50 Euros, but it would not be the end of the world I suppose.I've been on many a great FKK tour in my 10 plus years visiting Germany. Swinging by FKK Cocoon and sampling some hot russians and polish girls for 25 euro's per 20 minutes, running up to Wagenfeld many times to visit the old PT wagenfeld. And can't forget to mention PT Dorsten and FKK Heavensgate combo's, you can walk between the clubs they are so close. But talent left both of the PT's, Heavensgate is a shell of its former glory where you had hot bodied chicks waiting to be fucked. And Cocoon is no longer. This ended up shutting down future trips north.
Then there were the trips to YY, PHG, GT and the grand opening of VV. Tours got changed in that direction. VV took a dump, wonder how they are still holding on. YY is partyboy central with few decent girls available. And GT seems to be keeping their doors locked to most of the younger girls who want to work there. In my eyes this tour has now bit the big one. So what's left? Dusseldorf isn't that much of a draw without its western clubs, you've got LR, Aca and Samya as the main clubs (won't include Oceans since I doubt it will last). Finca in Dierdorf used to be a fine stopover, its barely worth considering. So do you drive 2 plus hours from Frankfurt for 3 clubs? I did it and paid for way too much for gas and time wasted driving. So what do you have left? Berlin with its one club, Munich and Stuttgart with only a few and then Frankfurt with its 4.
So are tours a thing of the past? I have X amount of days to spend, I hate having that Monday and Tuesday where the lineups thin to practically nothing. I used to do 21 days in Germany, now I wonder if 7 would suffice?
UltraHappy
11-06-15, 01:20
I've been on many a great FKK tour in my 10 plus years visiting Germany. Swinging by FKK Cocoon and sampling some hot russians and polish girls for 25 euro's per 20 minutes, running up to Wagenfeld many times to visit the old PT wagenfeld. And can't forget to mention PT Dorsten and FKK Heavensgate combo's, you can walk between the clubs they are so close. But talent left both of the PT's, Heavensgate is a shell of its former glory where you had hot bodied chicks waiting to be fucked. And Cocoon is no longer. This ended up shutting down future trips north.
Then there were the trips to YY, PHG, GT and the grand opening of VV. Tours got changed in that direction. VV took a dump, wonder how they are still holding on. YY is partyboy central with few decent girls available. And GT seems to be keeping their doors locked to most of the younger girls who want to work there. In my eyes this tour has now bit the big one. So what's left? Dusseldorf isn't that much of a draw without its western clubs, you've got LR, Aca and Samya as the main clubs (won't include Oceans since I doubt it will last). Finca in Dierdorf used to be a fine stopover, its barely worth considering. So do you drive 2 plus hours from Frankfurt for 3 clubs? I did it and paid for way too much for gas and time wasted driving. So what do you have left? Berlin with its one club, Munich and Stuttgart with only a few and then Frankfurt with its 4.
So are tours a thing of the past? I have X amount of days to spend, I hate having that Monday and Tuesday where the lineups thin to practically nothing. I used to do 21 days in Germany, now I wonder if 7 would suffice?I land in Frankfurt so no need to drive so far to get to the biggest clubs. If I had more time, I'd hit Living Room, etc, but with so few days and so many girls in Hessen, why bother making the trip to NRW?
Also, in Hessen, the effect of the smaller Monday/Tuesday line-up is easier to deal with since the line-ups are much bigger to begin with.
I've been on many a great FKK tour in my 10 plus years visiting Germany. Swinging by FKK Cocoon and sampling some hot russians and polish girls for 25 euro's per 20 minutes, running up to Wagenfeld many times to visit the old PT wagenfeld. And can't forget to mention PT Dorsten and FKK Heavensgate combo's, you can walk between the clubs they are so close. But talent left both of the PT's, Heavensgate is a shell of its former glory where you had hot bodied chicks waiting to be fucked. And Cocoon is no longer. This ended up shutting down future trips north.
Then there were the trips to YY, PHG, GT and the grand opening of VV. Tours got changed in that direction. VV took a dump, wonder how they are still holding on. YY is partyboy central with few decent girls available. And GT seems to be keeping their doors locked to most of the younger girls who want to work there. In my eyes this tour has now bit the big one. So what's left? Dusseldorf isn't that much of a draw without its western clubs, you've got LR, Aca and Samya as the main clubs (won't include Oceans since I doubt it will last). Finca in Dierdorf used to be a fine stopover, its barely worth considering. So do you drive 2 plus hours from Frankfurt for 3 clubs? I did it and paid for way too much for gas and time wasted driving. So what do you have left? Berlin with its one club, Munich and Stuttgart with only a few and then Frankfurt with its 4.
So are tours a thing of the past? I have X amount of days to spend, I hate having that Monday and Tuesday where the lineups thin to practically nothing. I used to do 21 days in Germany, now I wonder if 7 would suffice?I used to wonder why no new big clubs do not open. , I do understand it is license business and one cannot just open big FKK, but still.
However, I begin to feel demand is more or less served with current FKK?? I mean beside big messe, FKK is pretty empty on Monday and Sunday and other days not so full with client till weekend. Therefore, demand is served more or less beside when there is messe. Then current FKK is not possible to hold clients that visit.
We pro mongers are minority. Not all men travel far to just have sex on daily basis with various girls with different skin colors.
I do wish other big FKK will open in Berlin though like the one supposed to open in Potsdam. It should bring more LU to Berlin.
Member #4581
11-06-15, 04:25
For 50 euro, it can become pretty common.
The question is, are there many girls in the big Frankfurt clubs who will not do CIM for an extra 50?
I heard of girls who won't do anal for extra dough, at least for those guys carry extra large bazookas in their pants. But did not hear of any girls who won't do CIM for extra money.
How common is it to find a lady who will swallow on CIM in FKKs? It's only ever happened to me twice by Anna in ERW and it was incredibly intimate!
Hessen Bub
11-06-15, 07:32
There's a small percentage of girls refusing to do CIM for extra money. They just don't like it and won't do it, not for 25 in NRW and not for 50 in Hessen.
HB.
YamaYama0519
11-06-15, 11:30
There's a small percentage of girls refusing to do CIM for extra money...Alina at World is one of them, at least to me.
Most of Oase girls like our milk for 50 for diner and to avoid fucking.
There's a small percentage of girls refusing to do CIM for extra money. They just don't like it and won't do it, not for 25 in NRW and not for 50 in Hessen.
HB.It is 50 euro for CIM in Hessen though no?
I heard of girls who won't do anal for extra dough, at least for those guys carry extra large bazookas in their pants. But did not hear of any girls who won't do CIM for extra money.My rough guess about CIM and anal at Frankfurt big5 FKK clubs. Around 10 % don't do CIM and more than 50 % don't do anal.
My rough guess about CIM and anal at Frankfurt big5 FKK clubs. Around 10 % don't do CIM and more than 50 % don't do anal.I would say that's pretty spot on, especially when it comes to anal. It's well-known that I'm a big time "anal connoisseur", and I will typically do 40% of my FKK tutes in their tight butt holes during any particular trip, with 60% declining to provide anal services. If I lowered my standards a bit, I could probably have a consistent 50% Germany LAA (Lifetime Anal Average). Almost all of the girls will give you a BBBJ, but there are some who won't do CIM. I'm not a big buyer of CIM services, but when I'm in the mood and the girl really turns me on, I want that option to be able to sperm all over her pearly white toofers.
PussyLiccker
11-07-15, 07:10
Anybody been to Vive in Madrid, Spain? If so, I have several question regarding comparison to FKKs.
I understand different types of girls as half are Latin, but my question is regarding the Eastern Europeans. How comparable is the lineup. Better?
If the lineup is comparable, which clubs would guys compare the lineup to? Can anybody name particular girls from German FKK that would represent the type of girls you find at Vive?
Anybody been to Vive in Madrid, Spain?In the capital city of Madrid, I've been to Viva Madrid, as well as to Factory Air, Flowers Park, and Club Estark. When I went to Viva Madrid, it was a good while ago though, and the LU was nowhere near as big or as strong as the guys are making it out to be right now. Not even close. Of course, things can and do change. What's hot is not the next time you visit, and vice versa. The thing I do recall about Viva Madrid is this. I did one session there, and I went with this really hot Brazilian girl who was working there at the time. I mean really, really hot! And true to her Brazilian nature. I fucked her in her anus. Hehehe. The other thing I remember is that Viva Madrid was a little more expensive than the other Madrid clubs. But it was also the easiest to get to from my hotel.
Now PL, I think you're falling back into the bad habit of asking way too many of the same types of questions over and over again in different threads. You've asked these kinds of questions before about Spain (as have others), including how the Spanish clubs compare to the FKKs, and they've all been answered by other members with specificity. Do a search. But more than that, just take a chance man! Try something new. You might like it! And remember, the best action in Spain is spread out throughout the country. So make a traveling adventure out of it. There's La Costa del Sol in the south and the big clubs north of Barcelona.
Speaking of Barcelona, it's a great tourist town (the best in Spain in my opinion) with its own mongering scene. But when it comes to the mongering aspects, there are better places to go in Spain. Read the RODs about the Spanish clubs man. Then just take a chance on something new for crying out loud! Oh, and I can assure you that there will be more than enough girls who will be "white enough" if that's your concern, as you've expressed that same concern about Brazil. Oh no, there aren't any white girls in Brazil wink, wink, wink! Absolutely none at all hahaha! Especially the very attractive, fair-skinned blondes like PL likes, and who do PSE anal the way TC likes LOLOLOL! Zilch! Nada! None! LOL!
Now PL, I think you're falling back into the bad habit of asking way too many of the same types of questions over and over again in different threads. You've asked these kinds of questions before about Spain (as have others), including how the Spanish clubs compare to the FKKs, and they've all been answered by other members with specificity. Do a search. But more than that, just take a chance man! Try something new. You might like it! And remember, the best action in Spain is spread out throughout the country. So make a traveling adventure out of it. There's La Costa del Sol in the south and the big clubs north of Barcelona.+1.
Cane says it all. PL, you always sound like the adventureous kind who always love to see new girls and "all" clubs. If true, you have no other choice than going to find out for yourself. Will there be a couple of disappointments? With your FKK experience: Sure. Will you have a great time? Absolutely. There is plenty of fun to be had. Something new and a little bit different than what you are used to to spice up your life. At the end of the day we rarely regret the things we did, but the things we never did.
Looking forward to your Spain reports.
Anybody been to Vive in Madrid, Spain? If so, I have several question regarding comparison to FKKs.
I understand different types of girls as half are Latin, but my question is regarding the Eastern Europeans. How comparable is the lineup. Better?
If the lineup is comparable, which clubs would guys compare the lineup to? Can anybody name particular girls from German FKK that would represent the type of girls you find at Vive?So I've seen the responses but as The Cane says things change! PL only asked a question after all! Give the guy a break! Nobody is forced to answer and he is hardly someone who have never left a report.
Quick comparison (I've done lots of the Spanish clubs in Madrid and on Costa del Sol. See my previous posts / reports).
Vive is, IMHO, the best club in Spain for line up. Even when it's down a bit it still beats most other places. Scandalo near Malaga airport is also a good club. Vive has more girls to choose from. Usually over 100. LU is normally superb with lots of 9's and 10's. You ask about EE contingent. Yes they are there in numbers as always but there are also lots of other nationalities. Much more diverse than FKKs. No naked women. All in lingerie or dresses. Cost in Vive is very expensive 220 e for the hour. But only 17 euros entry whereas most FKKs are 50+. No free food in Spanish clubs. They are more like nightclubs than FKKs where you can spend the whole day. Very different experiences apart from the sex. Rarely big upsell on extras in Spain. Yes they do want more cash for anal (if they do it) but they rarely push it. BBBJ is almost unheard of in Spain. They consider it a very serious STD risk. Don't want to spark a debate. It's been done lots of times. Just enough to say lots of guys who go to FKKs will say they've been getting BBBJs in FKKs for 10 years without a single problem. Just saying that if you ask for it in Spain expect the girl to think you've lost your mind! And for her to say no. Even for more money.
Overall experience in FKKs is better for me. Surrounded by a lot of naked or topless women. Hope that helps! The one thing I would agree with from the other posts is the moral being that you should at least give Spain a try.
Hessen Bub
11-07-15, 17:16
Only been to club Privee south of BCN once had four sessions, all BBBJ, girls never mentioned CBJ.
HB.
Only been to club Privee south of BCN once had four sessions, all BBBJ, girls never mentioned CBJ.
HB.That' very unusual. Another member also PM'd me about getting BBBJ in another club. But as he says. It's rare. It is possible but very odd. And I've been doing the clubs in Spain for many years. Happily as this is the FKK thread this possible issue of BBBJ / CBJ will not trouble any of this forum readers given that it is standard in FKKs! Indeed, subject to the proposed new law seeking to make BBBJs illegal (stupid as how they hell are they going to check / police it?) it would I suspect cause most guys to ask WTF if a girl in an FKK said CBJ only!
PussyLiccker
11-07-15, 18:44
Thanks guys. I'm just trying to gather various opinions on the place(Vive Madrid). My trip to Zurich wasn't that cracked up to be, so this time, I'm asking more questions than usual. I can't take as much trips out of the year as some of the you's as I'm outside of Europe. I'm pretty adventurous in Germany because I'm in Germany with a car, and will look into places if it's not ridiculously far or curious enough. It's also due to limited stay there, and wanting to maximize my time.
Consensus for the most part is that there are lots of 9's and 10's there. Yay! Given that tastes differ, will have to show up to confirm. House full of hotties is the draw for me, and looking for some consensus on that fact.
As far as taste, yes I have one. Blond bombshells are great (if they look natural enough), but they are not my only targets I go for. I like particular types, but not only blonde, but I do pay lots of attention to girl's eyes (noticeable contrasting pulpils to the iris, usually blue or green, but no aways) which I seem to be drawn to mainly. Are guys into Latinas because the voluptuous figures? I know Latinas can be hot, and well have to see if my types are there. They do have the spicy look about them that I go for.
I'm curious how common BBBJ is, as that's very important to me. Punters are reporting differing experiences.
Girls dressed is a downer. I'm ok with two pieces, but dresses are too much. How do guys have an idea if girls are 9's and 10's if the girls are clothed? In the room?
Hessen Bub
11-07-15, 19:02
That was about four years ago and I can just tell you what it was.
Girls were wearing bikinis or dessous, men fully dressed in street clothes.
HB.
UltraHappy
11-07-15, 21:03
Having read through the various threads, I suspect that Spain only makes sense if you happen to be there or if you happen to be stuck there for some reason.
If you're going to fly to Europe, Spain doesn't sounds like it's got anything all that compelling to convince me to visit instead of just going to Germany. For one thing, the hourly rate in Spain is quite a bit more.
In Vive, the going price is more than double the Hessen price! Hell, if I'm going to be paying double the Hessen price to some chick, she better be bringing her twin sister along to the room with us!
I'm definitely not sold. I'll be sticking to my German FKKs for now. You guys go have fun in Spain while I stay here in Germany for half the price!
Girls dressed is a downer. I'm ok with two pieces, but dresses are too much. How do guys have an idea if girls are 9's and 10's if the girls are clothed? In the room?Whilst I accept that sometimes a well hoisted bra when removed can lead to the exposure of saggy tits, generally you can see in a dress if a girl is still very attractive or not.
Trust me, at Vive, some of them could be wearing an old sack and they still look hot! There are a lot of very attractive women there. I am not aware of any club in Spain at all where the women walk around even topless. As for BBBJ. I've certainly never had one in Vive. Ask. You might get lucky.
I totally get UH take on it being expensive however, if you look at it this way it's not much different. Take Artemis for example. Admittedly the most expensive FKK I think but here you go. 80 euros into the club, one hour in zimmer is 120 euros and CIM is 50 if you want it so 170 in the zimmer during one hour plus the 80 entrance means 250 euros for entry, food and one hour fucking. Now take most normal clubs in Spain (e. G. Scandalo in Malaga). No entry fee (sometimes 10 euros but you get a ticket for a drink which would cost you 10 e anyway. So effectively free). One hour in the room 170 euros. CIM in mouth would just not be possible in my experience. So entry, no food and one hour fucking = 170 euros. A whole 80 euros cheaper than in Artemis if you had CIM. Even without CIM at Artemis, that's still 120 plus the 80 entrance so one hour fucking in Artemis without CIM is 200 euros. Still 30 more than in Scandalo.
So whilst 120 looks cheap or say 100 in Sharks or Oase, it isn't that cheap because of the entrance fee. So it works out to be not a lot of difference. However, Vive is a completely different issue as the girls are SO expensive - 220 for an hour. Non-negotiable. That is always going to make any FKK look very cheap but then the LU in Vive is very noticeably better in quality than in any FKK I've ever been in but I've only been doing FKKs for now coming up 3 years. Truth is that there are some stunning models in Vive and it is worth going just once to be able to fuck a real stunner. Yes there are still average looking girls, and I also think some girls in FKKs are very attractive.
Where FKKs have the advantage over all clubs in Spain is that the girls mainly walk around naked or near to it which is a great experience, you can spend most of the day in an FKK but couldn't do that in Spain and what is great about FKKs is that you can take several girls to rooms for only 50 or 60 or less in some places just to see if you click. 30 min sessions are possible in Spain but they are rare.
I'm definitely not sold. I'll be sticking to my German FKKs for now. You guys go have fun in Spain while I stay here in Germany for half the price!There's no need to choose if you can do both! And, as has been said, there are far more options than just Viva Madrid. It's "Viva" guys. Viva. Not "Vive".
So I've seen the responses but as The Cane says things change! PL only asked a question after all! Give the guy a break! Nobody is forced to answer and he is hardly someone who have never left a report.
Quick comparison (I've done lots of the Spanish clubs in Madrid and on Costa del Sol. See my previous posts / reports).
Vive is, IMHO, the best club in Spain for line up. Even when it's down a bit it still beats most other places. Scandalo near Malaga airport is also a good club. Vive has more girls to choose from. Usually over 100. LU is normally superb with lots of 9's and 10's. You ask about EE contingent. Yes they are there in numbers as always but there are also lots of other nationalities. Much more diverse than FKKs. No naked women. All in lingerie or dresses. Cost in Vive is very expensive 220 e for the hour. But only 17 euros entry whereas most FKKs are 50+. No free food in Spanish clubs. They are more like nightclubs than FKKs where you can spend the whole day. Very different experiences apart from the sex. Rarely big upsell on extras in Spain. Yes they do want more cash for anal (if they do it) but they rarely push it. BBBJ is almost unheard of in Spain. They consider it a very serious STD risk. Don't want to spark a debate. It's been done lots of times. Just enough to say lots of guys who go to FKKs will say they've been getting BBBJs in FKKs for 10 years without a single problem. Just saying that if you ask for it in Spain expect the girl to think you've lost your mind! And for her to say no. Even for more money.
Overall experience in FKKs is better for me. Surrounded by a lot of naked or topless women. Hope that helps! The one thing I would agree with from the other posts is the moral being that you should at least give Spain a try.Guys! Do not betray German FKK, they have been serving our penis for year LOL .
I think we should stick to German speaking region like Germany, Austria and Switzerland.
These nation has history of being perverse and filthy as we would like to be LOL!
As for latino girls, we can catch them at German FKK, we just have to separate Romanians who claim to be Spanish LOL!
30 min sessions are possible in Spain but they are rare.With only CBJ available how would you fill the time in an hour session?
UltraHappy
11-07-15, 22:23
Whilst I accept that sometimes a well hoisted bra when removed can lead to the exposure of saggy tits, generally you can see in a dress if a girl is still very attractive or not.
As for BBBJ. I've certainly never had one in Vive. Ask. You might get lucky.
I totally get UH take on it being expensive however, if you look at it this way it's not much different. Take Artemis for example. Admittedly the most expensive FKK I think but here you go. 80 euros into the club, one hour in zimmer is 120 euros and CIM is 50 if you want it so 170 in the zimmer during one hour plus the 80 entrance means 250 euros for entry, food and one hour fucking. Now take most normal clubs in Spain (e. G. Scandalo in Malaga). No entry fee (sometimes 10 euros but you get a ticket for a drink which would cost you 10 e anyway. So effectively free). One hour in the room 170 euros. CIM in mouth would just not be possible in my experience. So entry, no food and one hour fucking = 170 euros. A whole 80 euros cheaper than in Artemis if you had CIM. Even without CIM at Artemis, that's still 120 plus the 80 entrance so one hour fucking in Artemis without CIM is 200 euros. Still 30 more than in Scandalo.
So whilst 120 looks cheap or say 100 in Sharks or Oase, it isn't that cheap because of the entrance fee. So it works out to be not a lot of difference. However, Vive is a completely different issue as the girls are SO expensive - 220 for an hour. Non-negotiable. That is always going to make any FKK look very cheap but then the LU in Vive is very noticeably better in quality than in any FKK I've ever been in but I've only been doing FKKs for now coming up 3 years. Truth is that there are some stunning models in Vive and it is worth going just once to be able to fuck a real stunner. Yes there are still average looking girls, and I also think some girls in FKKs are very attractive.
Where FKKs have the advantage over all clubs in Spain is that the girls mainly walk around naked or near to it which is a great experience, you can spend most of the day in an FKK but couldn't do that in Spain and what is great about FKKs is that you can take several girls to rooms for only 50 or 60 or less in some places just to see if you click. 30 min sessions are possible in Spain but they are rare.So, in summary:
In Spain, no half hours (or rare): For me, that means no ability to abort at the half hour if we don't click for some reason.
In Spain, BBBJ is rare, at least in Vive, so I don't understand how CIM is possible with CBJ, but ok, maybe you guys have figured out these logistics.
In Spain, I can live with the girls wearing cute little tiny outfits, but the cost, no half hours, and rarer BBBJ? If you guys were salesman for Spain, you're doing a terrible job!
Since I am in the room for around 7. 5 hours over a 10-12 hour period every night, Spain sounds absolutely terrible for my pocketbook. Maybe if I lived there and just dropped in for an hour once every two days, it wouldn't be so bad, but still, given the length of time I am in the room during my vacation days, Spain would absolutely KILL my pocketbook!
In Spain, the clubs have no food! How am I supposed to survive in the club for 10-12 hours? I suppose I must leave the club, eat somewhere, and then come back. So, my pretty girls aren't there with me when I'm enjoying my meals? You guys are killing me!
Ok, if I'm there in Spain for some reason, I will certainly go check out the clubs there. But the more you guys tell me about Spain, the more I don't want to make a special detour to visit.
So whilst 120 looks cheap or say 100 in Sharks or Oase, it isn't that cheap because of the entrance fee. .I always compare what I pay for food, drinks and entertainment per day if I was to go on vacation somewhere else like say Montreal. Breakfast, lunch and dinner add up easily to $40. Coffee, beer etc add up to another $20. Hit a stripclub, nightclub etc. Basically your costs start adding up. Paying $50 to $70 for a club entrance pays for itself if you stay the entire day.
Ok, if I'm there in Spain for some reason, I will certainly go check out the clubs there. But the more you guys tell me about Spain, the more I don't want to make a special detour to visit.Just to be clear, I don't think any of us here who enjoy mongering in Spain are saying it's better or even equal to Germany when it comes to pure mongering. I've certainly never said that. In fact, I've always said the opposite. That on the sex tip and the sex alone, Germany is better. But, I still enjoy the overall experience in Spain immensely, and I've done some memorable mongering in that country. God willing, I will return to Espana. It's a good place to go to if you want to try something different from the German sex scene in Europe. That's what I'm saying. For my money the complete package of the sex, the food, the culture, the music, the weather, the beaches and so on simply cannot be beat by any other European nation. Yes, Germany wins if you're looking at just the sex industry and the sex alone. But, I haven't found a place in Europe yet that can beat the overall package that Spain has to offer. And especially not countries such as Switzerland and The Czech Republic, both of which are a couple of other popular mongering destinations in Europe. Let me put it this way. I would consider retiring in Spain. But, I would never retire in Germany!
PussyLiccker
11-07-15, 23:15
All this leads me to some important questions(These are questions about Vive):
How common is BBBJ at Vive? PFI, do you mean you only do CBJ so you don't have the stats on BBBJ? I get differing remarks. I read a comment that always got BBBJ in sessions. But, doesn't say if there was refusals too. Another stating that could not find girls that do BBBJ. Also, another who only gets CBJ, saying 3/4 were offered. Mixed responses.
For pricing, I've read that it's 100/ half HR + 10. Half hour is not the minimum time? Most girls require minimum 1 HR specifically at Vive? I'm at a loss how the rate would be per half hour then.
Hessen Bub
11-07-15, 23:25
PFI: Drinks in Spanish clubs are quite expensive, I remember I paid 7€ for a small coke. So the 30€ price advantage of a Spanish club vs Artemis is worth four soft drinks. If you compare it to Samya or GT or even Sharks with discounted entrance fee, German clubs are cheaper for a one hour session, even including CIM.
HB.
Member #4581
11-08-15, 00:17
I agree. That's my experience as well. I used to visit some clubs, mostly in Barcelona I admit, but not sure that Madrid is really that much superior to BCN. In any case, since I discovered FKKs, I stopped visiting clubs in Spain entirely. I go there on business occasionally, but just walk around, take in the sights, eat a nice meal, and conserve my energy for a quick side visit to FKKs.
Same as I stopped visiting the US strip clubs since I discovered the German FKKs.
In the Spanish clubs I visited, you can't just lounge around the whole day, and definitely no wellness, no food or drinks, etc. They are essentially brothels, the girls line up and visit you one after other, you pick one, do the deed, and walk out. Very uninspiring. I am sure there are clubs where you may spend time a bit more nicely, but nothing like FKKs, at least the ones I visited. Perhaps the Madrid clubs are better.
Having read through the various threads, I suspect that Spain only makes sense if you happen to be there or if you happen to be stuck there for some reason.
If you're going to fly to Europe, Spain doesn't sounds like it's got anything all that compelling to convince me to visit instead of just going to Germany. For one thing, the hourly rate in Spain is quite a bit more.
In Vive, the going price is more than double the Hessen price! Hell, if I'm going to be paying double the Hessen price to some chick, she better be bringing her twin sister along to the room with us!
I'm definitely not sold. I'll be sticking to my German FKKs for now. You guys go have fun in Spain while I stay here in Germany for half the price!
I used to visit some clubs, mostly in Barcelona I admit, but not sure that Madrid is really that much superior to BCN. They are essentially brothels, the girls line up and visit you one after other, you pick one, do the deed, and walk out. Very uninspiring. I am sure there are clubs where you may spend time a bit more nicely, but nothing like FKKs, at least the ones I visited. Perhaps the Madrid clubs are better.But the clubs in Madrid and other parts of the country are indeed that much better than what you generally find in Barcelona. That's why us Spain fans keep saying that Barcelona is not the place to go for mongering! Seeing that Barcelona is the primary place where you've mongered in Spain, you clearly aren't qualified to offer a knowledgeable opinion on the subject.
Now, you're right about the way many of the Barcelona establishments work. And that, among other things, contributes to the widely-shared view of those of us who really do know Spain well that Barcelona is sub-par when it comes to mongering. I despise the brothel approach, and if that's all there was in Spain, then I most certainly would never monger there.
The truth is that the best Spanish clubs, like those that have been mentioned in Madrid, operate closer to an FKK model than to traditional brothel approach where the girls line-up, you pick one, you do the deed, and then it's done. I'd say they're somewhere in between. You don't have the wellness facilities, the food, or kinos but you can hang out as long as you like interacting with the girls. The rooms tend to be super clean, and you have all the other facilities you would need on premises. It's definitely not the undesirable "brothel experience".
You can drink, but no heavy pressure at all to buy the girls drinks. I typically will eat dinner at "American time" before I head out to one of the clubs (Spaniards eat dinner way too late for me like at 10 at night). And although I've never done it, I bet you could order dinner and have it delivered to the club if you wanted to. These Spanish clubs are more like nightclubs than mere brothels. Nightclubs where every guy with some euros in his pockets gets to fuck the girl (s) of his desire in safe, clean, relatively low-pressure environs.
Well, I've said my piece regarding all of the positive aspects of mongering in Spain. Perhaps we ought to get back to Germany ay? After all, this is the FKK lounge!
With only CBJ available how would you fill the time in an hour session?When HRH German government decided to take strip condom out of Brothel, they destroyed many marriage option for many professional monger.
Ever since then so called Jet set punters appeared in Germany, whom fly half the way around this planet earth to get their dick sucked for 50 or 60 euro.
CBJ is not an option for mongers like us.
HRH German government for striping condom out of Brothel policy is best policy any government ever made in history of humanity.
Now let them legalize some herbs and strip condom for penetration, then I am moving to Germany as a refugee for better sex life LOL.
CBJ? I aint going to any land where there is CBJ, I stick to BBBJ Germany, the real land of freedom.
UltraHappy
11-08-15, 06:27
Same as I stopped visiting the US strip clubs since I discovered the German FKKs.
I can't believe I ever went to US strip clubs before I knew about FKKs.
US strip clubs should come with some sort of surgeon general warning that warns people that there are real grown up places in the world, like Germany. When I think about all those poor Americans throwing away their money in American strip clubs, I can't help but think that some sort of PSA is in order.
I can't believe I ever went to US strip clubs before I knew about FKKs.
US strip clubs should come with some sort of surgeon general warning that warns people that there are real grown up places in the world, like Germany. When I think about all those poor Americans throwing away their money in American strip clubs, I can't help but think that some sort of PSA is in order.I went as far as losing interest in normal girls after I discovered FKK LOL They all think I am gay now LOL They should see me getting double BBBJ with two exotic girls LOL However, I play my part of secret gentleman with hidden secret in Germany LOL.
All this leads me to some important questions(These are questions about Vive):
How common is BBBJ at Vive? PFI, do you mean you only do CBJ so you don't have the stats on BBBJ? I get differing remarks. I read a comment that always got BBBJ in sessions. But, doesn't say if there was refusals too. Another stating that could not find girls that do BBBJ. Also, another who only gets CBJ, saying 3/4 were offered. Mixed responses.
For pricing, I've read that it's 100/ half HR + 10. Half hour is not the minimum time? Most girls require minimum 1 HR specifically at Vive? I'm at a loss how the rate would be per half hour then.Hessen Bub remarked that in his sessions 4 years ago he got BBBJ. If you read the Madrid or Costa Del Sol forums you will realise that this is possible but it is not normal. As you have said this is important to you it's easy. You just ask the girl downstairs before you take her up and if she says only CBJ you know she is not for you. Though be prepared for a LOT of them to say no. I think HB got very lucky. It is very much at the girls discretion but I can tell you having spent far more time in Spain than in Germany that BBBJ is clubs in Spain is not the norm. So if it's big on your agenda: don't go! You will find it but you'll need to be willing to meet plenty of girls who say no.
In the Spanish clubs I visited, you can't just lounge around the whole day, and definitely no wellness, no food or drinks, etc. They are essentially brothels, the girls line up and visit you one after other, you pick one, do the deed, and walk out. Very uninspiring. I am sure there are clubs where you may spend time a bit more nicely, but nothing like FKKs, at least the ones I visited. Perhaps the Madrid clubs are better.
Madrid clubs are do different to others except the LU and pricing in Vive is, as I've previously reported better than in any other club I've been to in Spain and better than any FKK I have been to though very expensive indeed at 220euros per hour. I've not tried the expensive clubs in Switzerland where LU is meant to be outstanding but I've also read reports that it is not as great as it is meant to be. Trust me, in Vive that is not the case. Your main problem will be selection as there are so many girls who would blow the competition any FKK away. The LU is why I will go there despite the crazy prices. If it's just about fucking pretty young girls with slim bodies stay with FKKs. If you want to session with a girl who looks a million dollars, does not look or act like she has been fucked 50 times this week (or more) then Vive is special. I don't mean this disrespectfully to girls in FKK clubs. I think it is amazing that they can have many hours of sex in a day and do it every day for months. It is hard work and many of the girls incredibly look fresh despite it - but it stands to reason that if a girl in Vive only needs 2 or 3 hours of sex to make great money in a night they are not as tired, they put more into it, they look fresher etc....
PFI: Drinks in Spanish clubs are quite expensive, I remember I paid 7 for a small coke. So the 30 price advantage of a Spanish club vs Artemis is worth four soft drinks. If you compare it to Samya or GT or even Sharks with discounted entrance fee, German clubs are cheaper for a one hour session, even including CIM.
HB.This is correct. I'd forgotten that soft drinks and indeed beer in many FKKs are free. Never so in Spain where as HB says the drinks can be expensive. Indeed in most of the spanish clubs the minimum drink price. E. g. Scandalo in Malaga, or Club Hot, Factory Air or Vive (all in Madrid) are all 10 euros minimum. For coke, water, beer whatever. Spirits are more! So the higher entrance fees in FKKs are set off by free drinks and of course the food. Eating areas are rare in Spanish clubs but some do have them but the food is not free.
So, in summary:
In Spain, no half hours (or rare): For me, that means no ability to abort at the half hour if we don't click for some reason.
In Spain, BBBJ is rare, at least in Vive, so I don't understand how CIM is possible with CBJ, but ok, maybe you guys have figured out these logistics.
In Spain, I can live with the girls wearing cute little tiny outfits, but the cost, no half hours, and rarer BBBJ? If you guys were salesman for Spain, you're doing a terrible job!
Since I am in the room for around 7. 5 hours over a 10-12 hour period every night, Spain sounds absolutely terrible for my pocketbook. Maybe if I lived there and just dropped in for an hour once every two days, it wouldn't be so bad, but still, given the length of time I am in the room during my vacation days, Spain would absolutely KILL my pocketbook!
In Spain, the clubs have no food! How am I supposed to survive in the club for 10-12 hours? I suppose I must leave the club, eat somewhere, and then come back. So, my pretty girls aren't there with me when I'm enjoying my meals? You guys are killing me!
Ok, if I'm there in Spain for some reason, I will certainly go check out the clubs there. But the more you guys tell me about Spain, the more I don't want to make a special detour to visit.
LOL. I loved this. I'm certainly not trying to "sell Spain" UH. Just answering PL's questions about comparisons and if it makes you Ultra Ultra happy about FKKs that's no bad thing!
Half hours are possible but the girls hate them and some will just refuse. I agree it means you have no abort possibility. Another plus for FKKs.
Dealt with the BBBJ situation above. CIM with CBJ! LOL. No logistics. At least none I can think of! Hang on. "no you cannot have your cock in my mouth with a condom. But when you are about to come, take the condom off and CIM!" NOT!! I was only including CIM in FKKs as a price comparator. If BBBJ in Spain (not just Madrid clubs) is rare - you can imagine that CIM doesn't happen much! I should add that this is only true of clubs. SWs are not my thing but plenty of guys on the spanish forums (Madrid and Malaga) post about lots of SW activity where BBBJ and CIM are available. But hey the SWs don't give you free food, free drinks, etc. But 20 euros for suck and fuck is pretty cheap!
In the room for 7. 5 hours. Holy smoke! Very impressive. You fuck for 30 minutes and then sleep in there for 7 hours? Expensive! Only joking/very impressive. I like 2 or 3 x 2 hours and I though that was good. If you spend 7. 5 hours in rooms in FKKs you should stay well away from Spain unless you have very deep pockets.
You don't "survive" in a Spanish club for 10-12 hours! As Jnpr 30 said, it is a completely different experience. You don't go for the day. The clubs are brothels. It's not always the case that the girls are introduced to you, you select, fuck and leave. That is more what happens in the private casas and villas. In the big clubs, you enter, mostly for little or no entrance fee which is converted into free drinks token, and you can sit at the bar and after your one or two "free" drinks then sit with your very expensive coke (for hours if you want checking the girls out but there is nothing to "do" other than speak to the girls and take some to the rooms. When you've fucked a girl in the room for an hour you can return to the main bar area or go outside etc. In Scandalo there is a small eating area where you can get some food. But it is not free. That said it is significantly better in quality than for example Oase!
As someone who has spend enough hours now in both environments I'd conclude that they are VERY different experiences. I prefer FKKs because of the naked women, and the overall ability to spend a long time at the club, relax, watch some sport, have short room times (to abort as UH says if no click). I actually think I prefer the NRW clubs. Free beers and pricing structures give you the feeling that you should definitely try out 3, 4, 5 girls or more. But I completely disagree about the dresses thing. If you've been out for a really nice meal at a proper restaurant in Madrid, then go to Vive and are surrounded by 150 girls, most of whom are 9's and 10's in beautiful but sexy dresses, there is the mystique of her undressing when you get to the room. I still think that is sexy and even more so than dessous. Yes there is the odd bad surprise with saggy tits. But its unusual in the big clubs. Lot of naked women in FKKs is also sexy though as I reported in the Samya forum 2 nights ago 90% of the women in there were covered. But I like the contrast between the two types of environment.
One final comment would be on service levels. I you develop a relationship with a girl in an FKK you might get great service but because girls in FKKs need to do a lot of rooms to make good money I tend to find their overall service level to be far less than you find with the girls in Spanish clubs. Even when after 10 minutes in an FKK you say you want an hour, it's often not as good. That said, I've had expensive but poor sessions in Spain too.
I've written a lot here (hopefully might assist PL!) but I'll conclude with two comments:
1. If I had to pick I'd choose an FKK. Overall experience is better even if LUs are usually not as good as the big Spanish clubs and service levels are lower.
2. As with everything in life. Give things a try. Spanish clubs are fun but expensive. I actually prefer a top class tantra massage in Spain, Germany or elsewhere to Spanish clubs and FKKs!
PussyLiccker
11-08-15, 13:23
Thanks for all the info PFI. BBBJ is hugely important to me, but I may give the place a try as Shark16 puts it, I'm the adventurous kind. Haha. I'll see how lucky I get.
Thanks for all the info PFI. BBBJ is hugely important to me, but I may give the place a try as Shark16 puts it, I'm the adventurous kind. Haha. I'll see how lucky I get.Good. And if Spain turn out disasterous, just remember that wonderful good ol' D-land is just a short cheap flight away (Plan B). Have fun!
I find it interesting that Payforit claims better sessions in general in Madrid.
I for one don't really care about BBBJ, I don't really care for BJ in general. PFI, does this mean good DFK, DATY, FIV, Pussylsides etc are standard in there?
PussyLiccker
11-08-15, 14:08
If anything, it's a trip to check out the club, and Madrid. I want to go because the talk about the LU seems pretty consistant at least. I'm fully aware of the advantages that FKKs provide.
I'm into hotties, what a 9 or 10 would differ on individual basis. Just by the fact that the age range is 23-35, but no info about percentage breakdown is questionable. For me, a stunner is low 20's, don't look like a teeny, fit, not skinny or too thin, with hips and ass, Bee to Cee cups, 175-178, and of course most importantly a pretty face.
Inconsistent availability of BBBJ at 100 EUR per hour is somewhat of a deal-breaker, so I might just go for the experience.
I've been to Spain a few times, but never had the opportunity to monger. The only attraction would be to indulge in Latin girls, since that is lacking in German FKKs. Sounds like I'd have to fill upt my day with non-mongering activities. Spanish don't eat dinner until like 10 pm, so I am guessing the clubs don't get going until midnight.
Spanish don't eat dinner until like 10 pm, so I am guessing the clubs don't get going until midnight.Yes, it's true that Spaniards eat dinner late, but that doesn't mean that you have to wait until midnight to get any good action in the clubs! I will typically have my dinner "gringo time" between 6 and 7 in the evening. From there, I like to get to a club no later than 9 pm. Sure, there aren't as many girls there as may show up later, but still there are girls available to choose from. Pretty girls who haven't yet put any mileage on their hips yet for the night. Fresh girls who you can be the very first one to get on before another sweaty guy gets on top of her. At least for that particular night anyway LOL! I just feel like I have to respond when I see guys making all of these incorrect assumptions about the Spanish clubs! Barcelona is Barcelona, and then there's the rest. And you don't have to wait until midnight to have a good time just because Spaniards don't eat dinner until around 10 pm!
I find it interesting that Payforit claims better sessions in general in Madrid.
I for one don't really care about BBBJ, I don't really care for BJ in general. PFI, does this mean good DFK, DATY, FIV, Pussylsides etc are standard in there?DFK is very much again down to the girl. Some do and some don't. DATY always available. FIV nearly always available as are most other things. Only thing I've ever been offered for more money was anal. But not my thing. It's not anything particular which I think makes the sessions better. Just what I put in the last post. The girls (in Vive) are not only exceptionally good looking, really well dressed in sexy clothes, but they make great money for not a lot of sessions. So they tend to give more. I find some girls in FKKs very mechanical. It is hardly a surprise when you know that to make good cash you have to do 10-20 guys in a day. I'm not sure I could be so enthusiastic about DATY with 10 women in a day let alone 20! So I just think the girls in these clubs are able to perform better as the demands on them are less than on girls in FKKs.
Member #4581
11-08-15, 15:29
Thanks PFI for a very comprehensive and honest comment. As you noted, I guess I never went to the big clubs; mostly the smaller clubs in and around Barca where the line up is 20 to 30 girls at best. One thing I remember though is that sessions were 40 min, one hour, etc, and I remember the 40 min session was around 80 euros. Don't know if that is still the case, this was 5,6 years ago. Also, back in those days, I was still apprehensive about BBBJ, so I myself requested CBJ but somehow I got the feeling that BBBJ was available from some girls at least, perhaps it was just a feeling and nothing more (FKKs cured me of the apprehension about BBBJ, LOL).
The main thing was that the LU was nowhere as stellar as those in Madrid. In fact, the BCN club LUs were *significantly inferior* to thoseat Sharks or Oase. Now, 220 is indeed expensive compared to the 100 at FKK, but if the LU is full of stunners, I would not have minded. As UH said, I have dropped several hundreds, dozens of times on US strip club visits for some feeble lap dances lasting a few minutes at most. And 220 does not get you an hour with a stunner anywhere in the US, unless you are very lucky. Perhaps I will check out this club in Madrid the next time I am there.
PussyLiccker
11-08-15, 15:55
DFK is very much again down to the girl. Some do and some don't. DATY always available. FIV nearly always available as are most other things. Only thing I've ever been offered for more money was anal. But not my thing. It's not anything particular which I think makes the sessions better. Just what I put in the last post. The girls (in Vive) are not only exceptionally good looking, really well dressed in sexy clothes, but they make great money for not a lot of sessions. So they tend to give more. I find some girls in FKKs very mechanical. It is hardly a surprise when you know that to make good cash you have to do 10-20 guys in a day. I'm not sure I could be so enthusiastic about DATY with 10 women in a day let alone 20! So I just think the girls in these clubs are able to perform better as the demands on them are less than on girls in FKKs.For me, a girl's appearance in addition to their natural assets reveals a bit of their character. How they are dressed or their hair, bags they carry, shoes, creates a bit of a character in addition to their demeanor. So, I can certainly understand where you are coming from. I guess you mean overfucked. LOL. I have read that CIM and Anal can be inclusive to the rate. It just sounds to me what is provided is per girl, but can be all out if the right girl is picked. A bit different from what I'm used in DE clubs, but if the sessions are mind blowing, can be worth it. Especially she look really good. The advantage is high number of hotties in one setting to choose from, that is if the place is full of stunners as said. There are pros and cons to things, and if the place meets the pros, would be worth visiting. As been said, something different. Only way to find out if this difference has the charm is to witness.
Plenty of places around Barcelona where you can get BBBJ/DFK. But it varies from club to club and, not at least, from girl to girl. I am a bit surprised to learn that BBBJ and short sessions are a challenge in Madrid.
One lesson learned from my Barcelona escapades is that high prices do not guarantee a good time. Service standards and the quality of services can often be poor despite high prices. IME I do not see the correlation that PFI sees (although it could be a Barcelona thing). The optics may be higher, but there are no guarantees. Sometimes clubs and girls are too much hyped (the 9s and 10s are really just 8s). I would rather dance several times with an 8 at a 125E/h club rather than only one dance with an 8 at a 220- 300E/h club even though there may be more choice, but that's just me. I am a patient guy and like the hunt for a good time at a fair price.
Hessen Bub
11-08-15, 18:18
DFK is very much again down to the girl. Some do and some don't. As said before, I only had one visit 4 years ago to Privee in Reus. But all 4 girls did DFK and BBBJ, with all I had a standard half hour session which I extended with one girl after the 30 minute mark. Arrived at the club at 5:15 pm, club was quite empty but I wasn't the first customer. Didn't pay anything to get in.
HB.
UltraHappy
11-08-15, 22:52
Sad news for all of you who were planning to head to Germany via Lufthansa this week. With the exception of Sunday, 8 November, Lufthansa strikes are expected to continue through Friday, 13 November.
Times are getting tough for those who just want to spend some their lady friends.
*Excerpt*:
The Independent Flight Attendant's Organization (UFO) announced strike action for all Lufthansa flights from / to Frankfurt and Dusseldorf on Saturday, 7. 11.2015 between 6. 00 and 23.00 for all flights from / to Dusseldorf and for all flights operated with A319, A320, A321 and B737 from / to Frankfurt.
Despite the second strike action by UFO with flight cancellations from / to Frankfurt and thesseldorf on Saturday from 6. 00 until 23.00, Lufthansa was able to offer all intercontinental flights to its passengers. An exception was the flight from Dusseldorf to Newark which was cancelled as a result of the strike.
Also the flights at the Lufthansa-Group hubs in Munich, Zurich, Vienna and Brussels took place as scheduled.
Flight operations will remain largely uninterrupted on 8 November. Isolated cancellations can, however, be expected due to operational reasons within Germany and Europe.
Flights operated by Lufthansa CityLine, Germanwings, Eurowings, Air Dolomiti, Austrian Airlines, SWISS and Brussels Airlines were not affected by potential strike actions and therefore ran as planned.
Lufthansa will do its utmost to keep the effects of a strike to a minimum and to inform passengers as soon as possible. For that reason, Lufthansa requests all passengers early on to stay up-to-date by checking the flight status on LH.com.
Lufthansa regrets any inconveniences caused by the strike.
I'll admit to being very bad at searching for the right terms now but I haven't seen any discussion lately on upcoming legal changes in Germany.
Is it decided about mandatory condoms, no flatrates, registration of girls etc. ? I know it's been discussed to implement these things but to me it's unclear what the status is.
Sad news for all of you who were planning to head to Germany via Lufthansa this week. With the exception of Sunday, 8 November, Lufthansa strikes are expected to continue through Friday, 13 November.
Times are getting tough for those who just want to spend some their lady friends.
*Excerpt*:
The Independent Flight Attendant's Organization (UFO) announced strike action for all Lufthansa flights from / to Frankfurt and Dusseldorf on Saturday, 7. 11.2015 between 6. 00 and 23.00 for all flights from / to Dusseldorf and for all flights operated with A319, A320, A321 and B737 from / to Frankfurt.
Despite the second strike action by UFO with flight cancellations from / to Frankfurt and thesseldorf on Saturday from 6. 00 until 23.00, Lufthansa was able to offer all intercontinental flights to its passengers. An exception was the flight from Dusseldorf to Newark which was cancelled as a result of the strike.
Also the flights at the Lufthansa-Group hubs in Munich, Zurich, Vienna and Brussels took place as scheduled.
Flight operations will remain largely uninterrupted on 8 November. Isolated cancellations can, however, be expected due to operational reasons within Germany and Europe.
Flights operated by Lufthansa CityLine, Germanwings, Eurowings, Air Dolomiti, Austrian Airlines, SWISS and Brussels Airlines were not affected by potential strike actions and therefore ran as planned.
Lufthansa will do its utmost to keep the effects of a strike to a minimum and to inform passengers as soon as possible. For that reason, Lufthansa requests all passengers early on to stay up-to-date by checking the flight status on LH.com.
Lufthansa regrets any inconveniences caused by the strike.Thanks god I am taking cheaper, but better air Berlin flight to globe zurich.
I'll admit to being very bad at searching for the right terms now but I haven't seen any discussion lately on upcoming legal changes in Germany.
Is it decided about mandatory condoms, no flatrates, registration of girls etc. ? I know it's been discussed to implement these things but to me it's unclear what the status is.I think no one knows the definite answer. But we got used to BBBJ, so once condom rule apply then we simply got to move to other nations.
Thankfully, we still got few nations we can go.
If anything, it's a trip to check out the club, and Madrid. I want to go because the talk about the LU seems pretty consistant at least. I'm fully aware of the advantages that FKKs provide.
I'm into hotties, what a 9 or 10 would differ on individual basis. Just by the fact that the age range is 23-35, but no info about percentage breakdown is questionable. For me, a stunner is low 20's, don't look like a teeny, fit, not skinny or too thin, with hips and ass, Bee to Cee cups, 175-178, and of course most importantly a pretty face.As discussed, we got exact same taste LOL.
I do also like teeny next door type and also exotic ones from middle east, but with similar setting as you described.
These girls are hard to find though you do find one or few in almost every mega FKK in Germany.
Let see how it is in Globe Zurich.
Hessen Bub
11-09-15, 10:36
I don't see a situation coming with no BBBJ in the clubs.
HB.
ShoesAndSocks
11-09-15, 11:43
I don't see a situation coming with no BBBJ in the clubs.That's comforting to know, but I think some of us who visit from overseas simply want to know of any upcoming changes to the law, especially if we are making travel plans for the next 12 months or so. It's hard to search for info if you don't read German.
So, has any legislation passed? I seem to recall mention of an implementation date of January 1st, 2016 which if true is not far away. If any changes to the law are likely, it may be prudent for us visitors to go to Austria or Switzerland while we see what effect if any occurs.
UltraHappy
11-09-15, 12:57
I don't see a situation coming with no BBBJ in the clubs.
HB.HB, for us English speakers, using double negatives can be confusing. With the double negative you used, your statement literally translated means that the law is dead and we can all rejoice.
However, I am wondering if you meant something else. Maybe you were trying to say that there is a 100% chance that the bad law will pass and all of us men will be sad next year?
Would you kindly clarify which you meant? I am hoping you were giving us happy news, but I suspect you meant to deliver bad news to us.
So, has any legislation passed? I seem to recall mention of an implementation date of January 1st, 2016 which if true is not far away. If any changes to the law are likely, it may be prudent for us visitors to go to Austria or Switzerland while we see what effect if any occurs.The draft is still on discussion and maybe the parties lets check if this law needs also approval of the federal judge and not only by the Lower House of Paliament. So that needs maybe time and if result is that law needs also approval of the federal judge than gouvernment has a problem because NRW has a coalition with the Green and NRW Green refuse the law.
In any case new law can't come effect on January 1st, 2016 because after approval in Lower House of Parliament the new law must be first published at the German Federal Gazette and after this it needs additional 6 month before the law becomes effectiv. So earliest day to become effectiv for new law July 1st, 2016 but probably later.
HB, for us English speakers, using double negatives can be confusing. With the double negative you used, your statement literally translated means that the law is dead and we can all rejoice.
However, I am wondering if you meant something else. Maybe you were trying to say that there is a 100% chance that the bad law will pass and all of us men will be sad next year?
Would you kindly clarify which you meant? I am hoping you were giving us happy news, but I suspect you meant to deliver bad news to us.No BBBJ is grave for pro mongers LOL .
However, it is like panic Hollywood movie, we have escape path via Alps, go over the mountain, we got Swiss and Austria LOL.
ShoesAndSocks
11-09-15, 13:21
The draft is still on discussion ... So earliest day to become effectiv for new law July 1st, 2016 but probably later.Great. Thanks for that.
Hessen Bub
11-09-15, 13:33
HB, for us English speakers, using double negatives can be confusing. With the double negative you used, your statement literally translated means that the law is dead and we can all rejoice.
However, I am wondering if you meant something else. Maybe you were trying to say that there is a 100% chance that the bad law will pass and all of us men will be sad next year?I guess Craiova answered your question. I was exactly trying to say what I posted: I do not think that we will come to a situation where BBBJ is not available anymore in FKK clubs. Maybe the law will pass, maybe not, maybe parts of it will. But I don't see how a BBBJ-ban will be enforced. See Bavaria, see Saarland. Slightly different situation but similar. And BBBJ is standard in all the FKK clubs there. Just my 2 cents on this.
HB.
PussyLiccker
11-09-15, 15:28
I don't see a situation coming with no BBBJ in the clubs.
HB.
HB, for us English speakers, using double negatives can be confusing. With the double negative you used, your statement literally translated means that the law is dead and we can all rejoice.
Although I see the logic, but meaning completely changes when you double negate. "I see a situation coming with BBBJ in the clubs. " It's the word "coming."
Member #4581
11-09-15, 19:05
I think I already admitted that I used to take CBJs a few years ago, when I first started going down (up? This path. On my visits to Spain or early visits to the FKK land, for example. Then I discovered the joys of BBBJ and out the window went my inhibitions and apprehensions, and I am now hooked on BBBJ.
That said, if Germany did somehow ban BBBJ and able to enforce the ban AND make it stick (lord knows how, though), I have to say, I will still prefer the FKK clubs relative to other places. Unless they replicate the total FKK experience in a different country, that is easy to travel to, and in similar numbers. In my view, the overall experience of FKK clubs, the ease of traveling to Germany and the various business things which give enough excuses to travel to Germany, the variety of clubs and the easy access, the lack of cheating, thuggery and other unsanitary things one might associate with such clubs in other places; all make this a great enough experience, that I would stay with Fkks even if the ban comes. I hope it does not, however.
I suspect BBBJ will still be available as an extra. CIM has been an extra anyway so for mongers who want CIM little will change.
Those who don't ask for BBBJ (who don't care either way) like myself may be the real losers because girls will insist of providing BBBJ as an extra, and if you turn them down they will feel like they're losing money. As things are, not caring either way what blow-job I get, I'm still welcome as a 50-euro quickie-artist.
At least in places where the ban is largerly circumvented behind closed doors, such a ban would de facto add 30 euros (or 20) to the standard rate. The official basic rate would stay at 50 euros but the unspoken basic rate would jump to 70-80 euros.
IF BBBJ become extra. I would propably prefer just going to Switzerland. I have yet to discover Globe this month, but if it is what I have been told it is not by just mongers, but by girls who works there, I will love such club.
And IF BBBJ become extra in Germany. I will not see point in going to German FKK where I got to negotiate to get good service and now I got to pay for BBBJ? HMM make me think wisely then Unless extra BBBJ is like 10 Euro or something. We are so used to BBBJ that I may seek for alternate place.
Hessen Bub
11-09-15, 22:59
All speculation. Let's wait and see.
HB.
UltraHappy
11-10-15, 04:14
The draft is still on discussion and maybe the parties lets check if this law needs also approval of the federal judge and not only by the Lower House of Paliament. So that needs maybe time and if result is that law needs also approval of the federal judge than gouvernment has a problem because NRW has a coalition with the Green and NRW Green refuse the law.
In any case new law can't come effect on January 1st, 2016 because after approval in Lower House of Parliament the new law must be first published at the German Federal Gazette and after this it needs additional 6 month before the law becomes effective. So earliest day to become effective for new law July 1st, 2016 but probably later.
I guess Craiova answered your question. I was exactly trying to say what I posted: I do not think that we will come to a situation where BBBJ is not available anymore in FKK clubs. Maybe the law will pass, maybe not, maybe parts of it will. But I don't see how a BBBJ-ban will be enforced. See Bavaria, see Saarland. Slightly different situation but similar. And BBBJ is standard in all the FKK clubs there. Just my 2 cents on this.
HB.Thank you gentlemen for clarifying. Good information. Thank you for filling in the blanks.
I've been reading about how a bill becomes a law in Germany (http://goo.gl/kWiAI). Not as straightforward in Germany as in the States it would seem. Germans have to make it more complicated I suppose.
So, it sounds like you are saying that the bill passed out of the Bundesrat, and now it is waiting to be passed by the Bundestag. Is that correct? Anyone have any predictions as to whether the bill is likely to be passed by the Bundestag? Does the Bundestag typically just affirm everything that the Budesrat passes?
The previous gloom and doom posts made it sound like the law was pretty much a done deal and was mostly inevitable. But now, it seems that we're hearing that it isn't a law yet at all but rather just a bill that has not even been passed by both houses of the German legislature.
StarletVoyager
11-10-15, 20:47
Surely such a ban if brought into being would be far more enforceable using undercover female officers from the Bundesnachrichtendienst (federal intelligence service) rather than male detectives?? Maybe I missed something. Oh well!! On an unrelated note PL is spot on with the pretty face criteria as that is always the deal sealer for me.
Here at ISG some writers (especially S&S) are very proud that they know so many girls at the clubs and they even show her posts to the girls and make no secret about their nick. Sorry but this is total BS, almost all the girls hate the forum writer they call them "Internet Wichser". And most of them don't even like positive posts. To be known by nick in club brings more drawbacks than advantage. And these guys mix up FKK clubs with Disneyland for adult guys, but it isn't especially behind the walls.
The one S even agreed here on ISG he can't write anymore negative (or even true?) because the girls known him. Fine no more words. And the other S even more a dreamer. He's so stupid writing about personal issues about girls like isn't free, gives money a guy and so on. First of all this guy knows nothing about this. And all the girls I know in clubs only laugh about S&S. But this second new S is so stupid that he doesn't know what that mean what he writes. Just in case he would be right what he's writing (not very realistic but maybe. .) and he has right about that this girl is forced for this job and in case (what he probably still do) he still go in room with this girl than maybe in future after a new law will be in force he's doing a crime and he will end in jail because he's easy to identify. One good thing I hope he isn't allow there to write in internet anymore. LOL.
So of course posts in forums help us but every writer should be smart enough that no one can match his nick with a real person.
PussyLiccker
11-11-15, 06:37
On an unrelated note PL is spot on with the pretty face criteria as that is always the deal sealer for me.I would expect everybody in general is looking for somebody attractive. People either pay more attention to body or face. Who looks pretty many not be for some others. But, there is no denying that some girls are more commonly regarded as pretty. Whether it be their body being of the right silhouette and/or having a highly appealing face. You get a better sense your taste, and difference from others when run into those that have different ideals in female optics.
When I say pretty face, it's not so meaningful since what I find pretty may not be for the next guy. I certainly understand when people say pretty out of excitement that cannot be contained. LOL. I say knock out if I spot a beauty that I lock on to like a target as soon as I lay eyes on her. Like I'm Maverick from TopGun ready to pull the trigger. Haha. Those moments are priceless, and the greatest for me. When it happens one after another, it's a great day indeed.
My ideal: Color hair doesn't matter, and I guess I may steer toward blonds if looking authentic. Face is of course has most weight, but eyes particularly is the most important facial feature for me. Noticeable contrast from pupils to iris of the eyes typically blue or green eyes have, but not always. Height tall preferred like 173-180. Bees to Cee cups, but Bee+ seems to be not too excessive or lacking. Feminine hips, not bony, so fat gathered around there that naturally happens to females. So, when I say curvy, meaning rounded around the hips. And ass should be ample, not excessive with curvature on the hips and ass in sync. And flat declined pelvis area or caving in as going down which pushes the ass back a bit(or angled). Slim overall besides of course the hips and the ass where the curvature features lie. Doesn't matter hue of the skin, tanned or not as long as not a albino. LOL. Oh yeah, not teeny or excessively GND looking, but under 25.
Curious what other people's ideal looks are? Post some pictures if any hotties have in mind.
ShoesAndSocks
11-11-15, 06:39
Here at ISG some writers (especially S&S) ...As my nick ShoesAndSocks is sometimes abbreviated to S&S, perhaps you could use a clearer method to refer to what appears to be two people.
Thanks.
PussyLiccker
11-13-15, 03:58
True.
140 chf is about 120 euro, so it is merely double the price and even at Artemis it most of times require one hour session to get proper service and not even sometimes, so if globe Zurich guarantee that for 140 chf /120 euro, then hell yeah it is worth it.
I will find out this month.Euro is 1.07 USD currently.
It's 130.2 Euro for 140 CHF currently. Euro has dropped in value. What you should check is the Yen if you base off that.
When I attended Globe was back in May 2014, 140 CHF translated in to 156.8 USD(and 114.52EUR). Now it's parity. Vive in Spain will be 110 EUR, so that will be 117.7 USD. Both still expensive compared to DE (53.5 USD currently, hope to get to parity, atleast when I'm in DE), although Vive being slightly less.
I'll see if I will open up my wallet at Vive. I'll look at other places in Madrid too. There are lower priced options, but not as low as DE of course.
Peak Euro was 1.39/USD in Mar 2014. That was 69.5USD in DE back then. All these values are for half hour.
Carpe Viam
11-13-15, 08:38
Here at ISG some writers (especially S&S) are very proud that they know so many girls at the clubs and they even show her posts to the girls and make no secret about their nick. Sorry but this is total BS, almost all the girls hate the forum writer they call them "Internet Wichser". And most of them don't even like positive posts. To be known by nick in club brings more drawbacks than advantage. And these guys mix up FKK clubs with Disneyland for adult guys, but it isn't especially behind the walls.
The one S even agreed here on ISG he can't write anymore negative (or even true?) because the girls known him. Fine no more words. And the other S even more a dreamer. He's so stupid writing about personal issues about girls like isn't free, gives money a guy and so on. First of all this guy knows nothing about this. And all the girls I know in clubs only laugh about S&S. But this second new S is so stupid that he doesn't know what that mean what he writes. Just in case he would be right what he's writing (not very realistic but maybe. .) and he has right about that this girl is forced for this job and in case (what he probably still do) he still go in room with this girl than maybe in future after a new law will be in force he's doing a crime and he will end in jail because he's easy to identify. One good thing I hope he isn't allow there to write in internet anymore. LOL.
So of course posts in forums help us but every writer should be smart enough that no one can match his nick with a real person.What we want is girls. Apparently girls are beginning to understand that this guy is stupid and avoid him. We can let write him eternal bullshit that will aggravate his reputation again. During this time we have a fun with the girls in peace of mind.
Faceless78
11-14-15, 08:19
Probably it; s not the right place to say, but fuck ISIS, they killed one of my friends in Bataclan! Fuck.
Here at ISG some writers (especially S&S) are very proud that they know so many girls at the clubs and they even show her posts to the girls and make no secret about their nick. Sorry but this is total BS, almost all the girls hate the forum writer they call them "Internet Wichser". And most of them don't even like positive posts. To be known by nick in club brings more drawbacks than advantage. And these guys mix up FKK clubs with Disneyland for adult guys, but it isn't especially behind the walls.Would be nice if your English was better. Who shows posts to the girl? Not me. I don't raise topic of the forum with girls. I do write negative posts, but with limits. I am not a naturally very negative personality, so I don't need it. I don't tell them my handle. Most work it out for themselves or by gossip, some of which comes unfortunately from posters.
I don't have a lot of problems since becoming well "known" at Oase, and by selected Sharks girls. Maybe just one or two rejections.
Some of us believe its a very useful service to list girls attending. I would go to another forum just to read the lists and find out who is there. Perhaps you don't need lists and never read them. However others looking for specific girls do use them. I don't like to collect girl's phone numbers unless I know them quite well, and there are very few of those indeed.
Is it something to be so proud of to know girl's name. It's already been shown to be no memory feat at all. Craiova seems proud to be a regular and expert at so many clubs and expert in use of condescending superior language and "put downs".
The useful message is that it is not a good idea to become known by the girls nor by forum posters like Craiova. There are vindictive forum members who specialise in outing other forum posters. I hope that Craiova is not one of them.
Why is so much of the forum, and I'm not referring particularly to this thread, taken up with petty point scoring and squabbling?. Disagreements can be handled in a way which is useful to other members, but insults are pointless.
When so much of the land bordering Europe is full of hatred and intolerance, with death of friends, as Faceless says, and strangers, why is there so much intolerance and nastiness within this forum.
Why is so much of the forum, and I'm not referring particularly to this thread, taken up with petty point scoring and squabbling?. Because we are a bunch of losers with too much time on our hands. Maybe the FKK girls are right after all!!
FKK is like religion. Some go to the house of worship more than others. And when you are a zealot, you attack the views of others when their views don't line up with yours. That is my only guess.
Once your post count gets high, you seem to become a target. Nobody really cares enough to attack me.
Carpe Viam
11-14-15, 14:33
Why is so much of the forum, and I'm not referring particularly to this thread, taken up with petty point scoring and squabbling?. Disagreements can be handled in a way which is useful to other members, but insults are pointless.
When so much of the land bordering Europe is full of hatred and intolerance, with death of friends, as Faceless says, and strangers, why is there so much intolerance and nastiness within this forum.In this forum, many intolerances in form of insult against the Turks (themselves and their culture) were left without comment. We can not be able to claim a tolerance.
PussyLiccker
11-14-15, 16:40
It's better to ignore the posts, than make a big deal out of it. Especially those parts that are subjective in nature. Those are left to interpretations and to be witnessed. I think somebody mentioned this, and the loudest ones are the most outspoken here. Doesn't mean much. Reports are ideally factual, and includes balanced of info. I just use some reasoning and commonsense when taking them in. Disagreements happen where opinions are different. If the opinions are backed up by good reasoning, it's just more solid. There will be some bias here as this hobby is about dealing with favs, regulars, and what clubs you find your favs. Based on how the reports are written, people can make better judgement. I just filter out what's necessary info, and ignore what is not. Any conflicts are going to go on with unnecessary string of posts.
Supposedly 10-15% people have personality traits that make them more predisposed to addiction, be it gambling, online porn, exercise, video games, sex, FKKing, alcohol, ISGing:
http://www.12keysrehab.com/blog/what-means-have-addictive-personality
I would self-diagnose myself as someone who has an addictive personality disorder. At different points in my life, I've been addicted to different things. So if I didn't, deliberately force myself to do other things, I could easily become a full-time Internetwichser. Things like a job and making money are non-negotiable so of course I allocate time towards those activities, but sometimes I deliberately try to fill up my time with social commitments, because if I am alone, that's when I succumb to temptation. This is difficult because by nature I am a bit of a loner and I am private. I am the worst when it comes to calling up on an old friend to check on them.
This of course is a conundrum. Being a loner, being private, and having autonomy from your friends, family and work colleagues is what makes this hobby possible. When I FKK, I have to make up an excuse to disappear. I suspect the only guys who don't have to "disappear" are the ones who live ten minutes from the FKK club and only do quicky 2-hour visits.
For the guys in different countries / continents especially, posting and constantly checking ISG is a way to replace their FKK addiction with another addiction. Also, I think ISG is an outlet to deal with withdrawal symptoms. Sometimes you just want to talk to someone about the blowjob you got last week in the kino. You can't do that with your boss or family.
PussyLiccker
11-14-15, 16:47
For me ISG is an outlet. Given it's a hobby for us, and people like to discuss their hobbies. Not in Germany or a local to attend at any moment, so this forum is a place to chat about the hobby that you can't really do so with others. I'm more for casual chats, and not really for serious reporting.
How do you guys who's been doing this hobby for along time keep it a hobby from turning into an addiction. Keep in mind I just got into this hobby last week.
The biggest rule that I picked up while doing my research in advance is fall in love with the place"FKK environment" and not the girls. But I am finding this more and more difficult when "particular" girls make affectionate commitments to you inside and outside the room. In my brain I am processing that this is just a strategy these girls use to establish regulars and stable cash flow- but its mind fucking me emotionally, especially for people who are going through or just went through troubled relationships.
Its like the logic and reason all add up and process in the brain- but its like arguing with a brick wall psychologically. This hobby can really become too destructive.
What do?
Why is so much of the forum, and I'm not referring particularly to this thread, taken up with petty point scoring and squabbling?.Because men will be men. Men cannot help competing and dick-sizing. Women are more clever, they circle the wagons and get what they want from Society.
For me ISG is an outlet. Given it's a hobby for us, and people like to discuss their hobbies. Not in Germany or a local to attend at any moment, so this forum is a place to chat about the hobby that you can't really do so with others. I'm more for casual chats, and not really for serious reporting.Could you stop cold turkey if you wanted to?
As the article points there are many people that can manage their addiction and be high-functioning leaders, business people, family men. http://www.12keysrehab.com/blog/what-means-have-addictive-personality.
Above article lists five personality traits, that I think can be mapped to behaviors of some FKK customers. I am not trying to judge anyone here. Like I said, when I reflect on myself, I believe I exhibit these traits.
(1) Impulsive behavior: "acting without thinking of impact of actions". FKK equivalent might be a married man who likes to engage in AO.
(2) Sensation-seeking: "adrenaline seeking, constantly want to seek out new experiences". FKK equivalent might be the customer that never repeats and wants to try all the new girls.
(3) Valuing nonconformity: "low desire to achieve goals valued by society". FKK equivalent would be someone like Mr. Ho who is vehemently opposed to the idea of marriage. Another example: all of us are perplexed about why society stigmatizes pay sex.
(4) Social alienation: "lack a consistent social group or social connections". FKK equivalent is the guy who attends the club every day. Or the guys from other continents who spend all their holidays in DE.
(5) Compulsive behavior: "engage in activities that result in negative consequences". While attending an FKK is perfectly legal, some jobs require a higher moral code of conduct. I once met this customer who told me was a school teacher in France. He said he would be risking his career if parents in France found out about his hobby.
Because men will be men. Men cannot help competing and dick-sizing. Like how you were able to come up with a more succinct and insightful answer than mines?
PussyLiccker
11-14-15, 18:05
Could you stop cold turkey if you wanted to?I dunno. What's with these personal posts? Personal posts on a public forum is not my thing.
Because we are a bunch of losers with too much time on our hands. Maybe the FKK girls are right after all!!
Once your post count gets high, you seem to become a target. Nobody really cares enough to attack me.You are such a quirky fun guy, it does seem pointless to attack you. Good to have a special fetish or too. Some of us enjoy some relatively harmless arguments, but I am not so keen on the syndrome where guys have to be attacked or "put down" on every topic, because someone else wants to be "the guru" . Sharing "useful" information is what is supposed to be about, but some posters seem to fail to provide anything really useful on an all too regular basis. Posters with some writing talent can also be very entertaining or funny. Okay That is not me for sure, however some buddies can.
My FKK time is starting to drop off, to save money and to do better things and not stationed in Frankfurt. We are probably all sex addicts to some extent, however going 2 weeks without sex is not a big problem for me. I don't believe sex is wrong or that there is anything wrong with paying for it to get superior girls and importantly to get it more often. Many of get to spend enough time with girls on non-sexual things but our sex lives are not so great. The married man doesn't get so many fucks per week.
I don't really see the value in fucking 5 or more girls in the same day. I think that surely 1 or two is enough, but there is always that fear of missing out and needing to try that new pretty girl, or being unable to refuse regular girls so easily. For guys that pay big money to get here, they really have to do a lot of fucks to justify the airfares. I mostly only use weekends to attend FKK when have nothing better to do. Right now I do have better things to do, so no FKK this weekend, but still a quick post or two.
Posting is an a far worse addiction than FKK fucking, although only wastes time.
Some really crazy German guys are attending Sharks on a Sunday for wellness. LOL, and maybe will fuck a girl, maybe not. I guess they a lot more available time than available money.
Yes we have time and money on our hands, and are willing to support foreign girls in need, hopefully not support sex trafficking criminals or leeches (but inevitable), and have a bit of regular fun in our otherwise boring lives. I have a fabulous looking girlfriend, however not in this country and even when I am home, the sex is far too infrequent, even she seems to enjoy it and be multi-orgasmic. Perhaps she really only wants a 20 to 30 minute quickie. Anyway, clearly she is not highly sexually motivated to want it several times a week. I picked the wrong girl. Another girl I liked a lot once, and who liked sex a lot, is now with a very rich man and no longer available. Being just friends with really hot girls sucks somewhat.
Outsource the sex. That is clearly the way to go for most of us.
Of your 5 key precepts, I identify mainly with 3: anti-religion non-conformist, a little of 4: anti-social type, and 5 compulsion. Sex is my only serious addiction/compulsion assuming laziness doesn't count. LOL. Just one is more than enough.
Neurosynth
11-14-15, 20:43
Probably it; s not the right place to say, but fuck ISIS, they killed one of my friends in Bataclan! Fuck.So sorry for your loss. Maybe this isn't the place for it, but I couldn't let your sad news go without some support. It sounds like France is ready to go to war. ISIS is definitely defeat-able. I hope the US joins in, and once the region is cleansed of this scorn, the locals will have learned their lesson and will endeavor to create a stable modern nation.
But I don't want to launch a big political debate. Right now I just wanted to pass along my commiserations.
All For Bb
11-15-15, 17:40
Syzygies: I don't really see the value in fucking 5 or more girls in the same day. I think that surely 1 or two is enough, but there is always that fear of missing out and needing to try that new pretty girl, or being unable to refuse regular girls so easily. For guys that pay big money to get here, they really have to do a lot of fucks to justify the airfares. I mostly only use weekends to attend FKK when have nothing better to do. Right now I do have better things to do, so no FKK this weekend, but still a quick post or two.You are so lucky in the area. If I were you, I might do the same (one or two fucks per visit). However, I only have 2-3 visit opportunities per year, so each time, intend fucking a lot in each day. "The value in fucking 5 or more girls in the same day" is great value for me.
You are such a quirky fun guy, it does seem pointless to attack you. Good to have a special fetish or too. Some of us enjoy some relatively harmless arguments, but I am not so keen on the syndrome where guys have to be attacked or "put down" on every topic, because someone else wants to be "the guru" . Sharing "useful" information is what is supposed to be about, but some posters seem to fail to provide anything really useful on an all too regular basis. Posters with some writing talent can also be very entertaining or funny. Okay That is not me for sure, however some buddies can.
Well the LU lists I find helpful, especially as you noted, I am quite fussy about looks and risk-averse when selecting new girls. So I like to attend knowing that at least one of my regulars is not away on holiday. Biases for particular clubs or girls don't bother me. I assume everybody has them. My definition of acceptable service and ideal optiks varies greatly, so I take what others say with a grain of salt. If somebody wants to live in their own fantasy world, it doesn't bother me. Most of the best information or advice (sometimes not even FKK-related) comes offline.
My FKK time is starting to drop off, to save money and to do better things and not stationed in Frankfurt. We are probably all sex addicts to some extent, however going 2 weeks without sex is not a big problem for me. I don't believe sex is wrong or that there is anything wrong with paying for it to get superior girls and importantly to get it more often. Many of get to spend enough time with girls on non-sexual things but our sex lives are not so great. The married man doesn't get so many fucks per week.
Well my FKK activities intensified about two years ago. Before that I only attended moderately. I can trace it back to a stressful period and a period where I started withdraw socially. I wish I could say it was triggered by a huge monetary windfall!
Member #4581
11-16-15, 16:03
When I did not see you in Sharks this past week, I thought perhaps you went to Oase instead; would have been nice to meet up. You are right, FKKs seem like a dream come true, but I get stressed once there. First, I know I have only 3 or 4 days, so every minute counts. Also, there are so many girls that I constantly keep thinking who else is out there; the mind becomes task focused, as if I have a list of girls to do, to tick mark; I need to be more in the moment, as opposed to thinking about the next girl to be chased. But the worst I find is that my body keeps falling behind. In just 3 years of attending the clubs, the decline has been rapid and disappointing. With great difficulty, I managed 6 shots in 3 days of clubbing spread over 5 days, although I took nearly 15 sessions. 2 years ago, that could have been 9 shots. At this rate, in 3 years, I am looking at 2 shots a week. Depressing prospect. I see the regulars, seemingly always there, and yet take multiple sessions every time they attend and I envy their stamina, and their physical ability.
I don't really see the value in fucking 5 or more girls in the same day. I think that surely 1 or two is enough, but there is always that fear of missing out and needing to try that new pretty girl, or being unable to refuse regular girls so easily. For guys that pay big money to get here, they really have to do a lot of fucks to justify the airfares. I mostly only use weekends to attend FKK when have nothing better to do. Right now I do have better things to do, so no FKK this weekend, but still a quick post or two.
Hessen Bub
11-16-15, 17:31
I see the regulars, seemingly always there, and yet take multiple sessions every time they attend and I envy their stamina, and their physical ability.It's called steady and regular training. ;)
HB.
Global1810
11-16-15, 17:35
So sorry for your loss. Maybe this isn't the place for it, but I couldn't let your sad news go without some support. It sounds like France is ready to go to war. ISIS is definitely defeat-able. I hope the US joins in, and once the region is cleansed of this scorn, the locals will have learned their lesson and will endeavor to create a stable modern nation.
But I don't want to launch a big political debate. Right now I just wanted to pass along my commiserations.France has had a huge military presence fighting ISIS (Daesh) since at least February this year. So does most coalition forces. In fact Romania as a huge presence in the fight. If you happen to pass through Iraq or (but hopefully not) Syria you will be sure to see French and even more Romanian. And even the Romanian military girls are cute!
Daesh are very dedicated people. For every one you kill two are waiting in line to take their place.
Guys,
As I read and I'm sure many of you preach, the cardinal rule of mongering in FKK clubs is fall in love with the place but not the girl. I am fairly new to this realm, and living in Germany certainly doesn't help.
But I have seriously developed an infatuation / crush on a particular girl. I am sure perhaps some of you? Have been in this situation before, how do you fix yourself before becoming too serious and make life changing decisions that end up in tragedy?
How do you convince yourself that what the girl tells you is nothing but BS lies even though they say it so sincerely to you. I must sound pathetic, but its better to put out there for feedback rather than have it fester inside and become consumed with it.
Frankfurt big5 FKK clubs Christmas party dates:
Saturday 28. November Mainhattan.
Saturday 05. December Palace.
Saturday 12. Dezember Oase and World.
Sharks Christmas party isn't scheduled so far.
Guys,
As I read and I'm sure many of you preach, the cardinal rule of mongering in FKK clubs is fall in love with the place but not the girl. But I have seriously developed an infatuation / crush on a particular girl. I am sure perhaps some of you? Have been in this situation before, how do you fix yourself before becoming too serious and make life changing decisions that end up in tragedy? How do you convince yourself that what the girl tells you is nothing but BS lies even though they say it so sincerely to you.Easy. 1. Ask her to meet outside the club for free. 2. Split the restaurant bill and see her reaction. 3. Take sex for free at your hotel for granted and see her reaction.
That was reality check 1.01. If you get that far I will give you reality check 1.02. For free. :)
Guys,
As I read and I'm sure many of you preach, the cardinal rule of mongering in FKK clubs is fall in love with the place but not the girl. I am fairly new to this realm, and living in Germany certainly doesn't help.
But I have seriously developed an infatuation / crush on a particular girl. I am sure perhaps some of you? Have been in this situation before, how do you fix yourself before becoming too serious and make life changing decisions that end up in tragedy?
How do you convince yourself that what the girl tells you is nothing but BS lies even though they say it so sincerely to you. I must sound pathetic, but its better to put out there for feedback rather than have it fester inside and become consumed with it.As I said you, enjoy as long you have good time with her, but look at her going to room to be fucked by others, she didn't start yesterday in this business, just enjoy in the club, don't dream, no money, no more girl.
Citizen Kane
11-17-15, 21:13
Guys,
As I read and I'm sure many of you preach, the cardinal rule of mongering in FKK clubs is fall in love with the place but not the girl. I am fairly new to this realm, and living in Germany certainly doesn't help.
But I have seriously developed an infatuation / crush on a particular girl. I am sure perhaps some of you? Have been in this situation before, how do you fix yourself before becoming too serious and make life changing decisions that end up in tragedy?
How do you convince yourself that what the girl tells you is nothing but BS lies even though they say it so sincerely to you. I must sound pathetic, but its better to put out there for feedback rather than have it fester inside and become consumed with it.Mix it up. Go to as many different clubs as you can. Go with as many different girls as you can. I have been operating a 'repeat is defeat' policy on recent tours (usually 7 days). Never repeat the same club twice on one tour. Never repeat with the same girl twice on the same day. This does result in a fair amount of driving but flying into Dusseldorf and out of Frankfurt or Stuttgart means I'm never back tracking.
Works for me. It keeps things fresh and it stops me getting hung up on one girl. Of course YMMV.
Frankfurt big5 FKK clubs Christmas party dates:
Saturday 28. November Mainhattan.
Saturday 05. December Palace.
Saturday 12. Dezember Oase and World.
Sharks Christmas party isn't scheduled so far.So this will be my first Christmas in Europe / Germany. What happens / is so special about these Christmas parties at the club? I heard generally you should avoid events since its just a cluster? Or is there something special worth attending for?
The last two years I've made two enlightening trips to Thailand, my eyes were opened to the vast selection of working girls available. I never had an asian fixation before those trips and am still drawn to girls that I consider attractive, whatever the race. What I find interesting are the asian hobbiests who forgo the larger lineups of Thailand just to be with the smaller lineup of girls in the FKK clubs. It comes down to 60 girls vs. 6000 for me, I do like having a larger number of girls to choose from. Would a guy who hates Romanians in FKK clubs 'not' travel to Romania if they had thousands upon thousands of girls openly available as Thailand does with Thai women?
I do love the FKK scene but the down time can be a bit boring at times, although looking at 60 hot naked girls is a good way to pass the time.
Sebastiane
11-17-15, 22:57
Frankfurt big5 FKK clubs Christmas party dates:
Saturday 28. November Mainhattan.
Saturday 05. December Palace.
Saturday 12. Dezember Oase and World.
Sharks Christmas party isn't scheduled so far.Thanks. I will try to attend at least one of them and maybe all 3 of Mainhattan, Palace, Oase. That's 3 Saturdays sorted!
I just want to say something on this addiction issue. I believe it is in your blood. You have it or not! I am happy to have it. Of course I did some stupidities because of it.
When I was 13 I was masturbating in TV room while my whole family is at dinner in kitchen 10 m away. Despite my father was a very conservative and religion person.
Now I am in a depression since I can't go another sex travel for maybe 5 months.
So it is time to plan and decide.
It is not a good time for a Turk to apply for visa to Germany.
And Brasil is too far away from here.
Russia is too cold at that season.
Cyprus is in my list but I am not sure of quality there.
Any recommendations?
The last two years I've made two enlightening trips to Thailand, my eyes were opened to the vast selection of working girls available. I never had an asian fixation before those trips and am still drawn to girls that I consider attractive, whatever the race. What I find interesting are the asian hobbiests who forgo the larger lineups of Thailand just to be with the smaller lineup of girls in the FKK clubs. It comes down to 60 girls vs. 6000 for me, I do like having a larger number of girls to choose from. Would a guy who hates Romanians in FKK clubs 'not' travel to Romania if they had thousands upon thousands of girls openly available as Thailand does with Thai women?
I do love the FKK scene but the down time can be a bit boring at times, although looking at 60 hot naked girls is a good way to pass the time.I'm also experienced in both countries, you can't really compare them, both good but different, Thailand is usually more relaxed, and longtime is more available, but to be honest these days it can be cheaper to do a short time in Germany than some of the Thai gogo girls, some now quote 3000 baht ST, plus barfine!
Might sound silly, but to the guys who go to saunaclubs regularly, do you have problems with athletes foot?
PussyLiccker
11-18-15, 03:09
First, I know I have only 3 or 4 days, so every minute counts. Also, there are so many girls that I constantly keep thinking who else is out there; the mind becomes task focused, as if I have a list of girls to do, to tick mark; I need to be more in the moment, as opposed to thinking about the next girl to be chased. But the worst I find is that my body keeps falling behind. In just 3 years of attending the clubs, the decline has been rapid and disappointing. With great difficulty, I managed 6 shots in 3 days of clubbing spread over 5 days, although I took nearly 15 sessions. 2 years ago, that could have been 9 shots. At this rate, in 3 years, I am looking at 2 shots a week. Depressing prospect. I see the regulars, seemingly always there, and yet take multiple sessions every time they attend and I envy their stamina, and their physical ability.We're all not getting younger. Time is ticking. So yeah, I see what you mean. I have been thinking about this too. When I was a new punter, I think I was most excited since it was a new experience for me. What is there to not be excited about when stepping foot into a club full of naked girls that up for business. I was pretty complacent with even the minimum service level with BBBJ, and fucking with a good looking girl. And as I met more girls over the trips, I'd run into different types of experiences, and you get ones that turn out to be mind blowingly good with luck. What this does is creates higher expectations, and sessions that I was pretty happy with are not as great anymore. With this, I believe my libido is lower with sessions that I was quite excited about in the past before running into more exiting sessions. So, I think it just takes a bit more for me to get really excited than in the past, and this has probably affect my ability to get aroused as easily and finish so many times as before.
For me, what it used to be was fuck as much as I can to get the entry's worth to limiting my session to the right girl, and I don't feel like I lose out. Certainly not monetary wise, but I understand what you mean, since you visit so many times a year, you'd want to maximize your time. Every minute counts.
UltraHappy
11-18-15, 03:52
Might sound silly, but to the guys who go to saunaclubs regularly, do you have problems with athletes foot?1% Clotrimazol topical ointment cream. It's over-the-counter. Apply twice a day. When you take many showers in FKK, your feet are often damp and there is no way to avoid this. As the fungus is pretty much everywhere, once your feet are wet for any length of time, you will likely have this problem.
The problem can be reduced by carefully drying your feet after every shower and also drying your shower sandals (for example with the provided hair dryers). Another option is to have one pair of shower sandals always dry in your locker and one pair for showering. In any case, this all becomes a big hassle.
When you are home away from FKK land, your feet won't be wet all the time and the Clotrimazol cream will clear up anything, usually after about 2 weeks. When I am in FKK land, I apply the Clotrimazol cream before bed every night and that helps avoid this problem too.
At home away from Germany, once this clears up, you probably won't have this problem again until you visit FKK land again. You really have only 2 weapons against these fungi: (1) Clotrimazol and (2) keeping your feet dry.
There are also prescription alternatives to the OTC Clotrimazol, but they don't necessarily work any better than the Clotrimazol in my experience.
I wish someone had explained this to me when I started attending FKK clubs. I had to go to the doctor and ask since I didn't know.
Wolvenvacht
11-18-15, 08:12
So it is time to plan and decide.
It is not a good time for a Turk to apply for visa to Germany.
And Brasil is too far away from here.
Russia is too cold at that season.
Cyprus is in my list but I am not sure of quality there.
Any recommendations?South-East Asia, definitely!
Thailand will be the most accessible and easy to score.
Singapore is easy and good too, but more expensive for both girls and hotels.
Cambodia is a bit of a mixed bag. I would not recommend it for a first time traveller.
Forget about Laos: it is more easy to find a P4 P Lao girl in Thailand than in Laos.
I have no experience in Vietnam, but I did fuck some Viet girls in Singapore and liked them a lot.
The Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia are still on my bucket list.
I'm also experienced in both countries, you can't really compare them, both good but different, Thailand is usually more relaxed, and longtime is more available, but to be honest these days it can be cheaper to do a short time in Germany than some of the Thai gogo girls, some now quote 3000 baht ST, plus barfine!You are correct but everything evens out. Massage in Germany is 60 euro's vs 10 euro's in Thailand. You walk into a FKK and see 60 girls and your stuck with those girls, in Thailand you walk into a gogo and see 60, walk next door see 100, next to that another 50 and so on and so on. What can't be beat is when you score a LT girl who stays overnight and fucks you silly for 75 euro's, then comes back the next night free of the barfine.
And how many FKK girls chat you up on LINE as they are going into work asking when your coming back to Thailand (like just happened to me as I was typing out this response)?
Vito Corleone
11-18-15, 11:50
And how many FKK girls chat you up on LINE as they are going into work asking when your coming back to Thailand (like just happened to me as I was typing out this response)?Nothing to brag about but it happens to me all the time. Too many times for my taste. "I sent you 5-10 messages & I know you were online why didn't you respond yada yada yada" shit I pay these babes do I don't have to deal with this crap!
I never had an asian fixation before those trips and am still drawn to girls that I consider attractive, whatever the race. I do love the FKK scene but the down time can be a bit boring at times, although looking at 60 hot naked girls is a good way to pass the time.I love the FKK scene too, but on an extended stay sometimes I get bored fucking so many white girls and wish there were more other "flavors" around. This is one of the many reason why I like Brazil better. You have a superior mix of looks to choose from.
We're all not getting younger. Time is ticking. So yeah, I see what you mean. I have been thinking about this too. When I was a new punter, I think I was most excited since it was a new experience for me. What is there to not be excited about when stepping foot into a club full of naked girls that up for business. I was pretty complacent with even the minimum service level with BBBJ, and fucking with a good looking girl. And as I met more girls over the trips, I'd run into different types of experiences, and you get ones that turn out to be mind blowingly good with luck. What this does is creates higher expectations, and sessions that I was pretty happy with are not as great anymore. With this, I believe my libido is lower with sessions that I was quite excited about in the past before running into more exiting sessions. So, I think it just takes a bit more for me to get really excited than in the past, and this has probably affect my ability to get aroused as easily and finish so many times as before.
For me, what it used to be was fuck as much as I can to get the entry's worth to limiting my session to the right girl, and I don't feel like I lose out. Certainly not monetary wise, but I understand what you mean, since you visit so many times a year, you'd want to maximize your time. Every minute counts.Yes.
My development is a little different. I now have impossibly high requirements with a favourite and put so much care into creating the right connection that with my favorite girls my libido evaporates. But it will suddenly return if I am with a girl I don't care about and it's just like it was at the beginning of my FKK career Thank God. Of course my stamina over twelve years in FKK has reduced markedly.
How do you guys who's been doing this hobby for along time keep it a hobby from turning into an addiction. Keep in mind I just got into this hobby last week.
The biggest rule that I picked up while doing my research in advance is fall in love with the place"FKK environment" and not the girls. But I am finding this more and more difficult when "particular" girls make affectionate commitments to you inside and outside the room. In my brain I am processing that this is just a strategy these girls use to establish regulars and stable cash flow- but its mind fucking me emotionally, especially for people who are going through or just went through troubled relationships.
Its like the logic and reason all add up and process in the brain- but its like arguing with a brick wall psychologically. This hobby can really become too destructive.
What do?First, it is good that you acknowledge that there is a problem. Affection goes beyond "sweet talking" and physical sex. If she truly cared about you, she would give up things of real value to her: time and money. A real girlfriend will spend time with you without expecting money in return. A real girlfriend will occasionally pay for things. It is about reciprocation.
Some girls may even ask to exchange numbers and meet outside the club. Feel free to do that, but be extremely cautious. That's when your mind will really play tricks on you. We see what we want to see and believe what we want to believe--great salesman and scam artists play to this.
Just got back home from Germany and Switzerland.
Maaan, I must say, I was dissapointed about globe zurich. , it is like one of you guy said, nothing special as far as LU goes. It is similar to FKK palace and artemis mixed. The service is there at globe and it is guranteed and Sunday brunch was good, but other than that, it aint worth it.
So gentlemen, best place to be is German FKK, this is my conclusion.
I also have to point out FKK Artemis LU has been much older than I first went to Artemis back in 2010. There are quite many girls I noticed being there for almost 3 years or more. I think artemis need some refreshing of Lineup too, but I even found artemis better than globe and palace even better than both.
First, it is good that you acknowledge that there is a problem. Affection goes beyond "sweet talking" and physical sex. If she truly cared about you, she would give up things of real value to her: time and money. A real girlfriend will spend time with you without expecting money in return. A real girlfriend will occasionally pay for things. It is about reciprocation.
Some girls may even ask to exchange numbers and meet outside the club. Feel free to do that, but be extremely cautious. That's when your mind will really play tricks on you. We see what we want to see and believe what we want to believe--great salesman and scam artists play to this.What happened in FKK, stays in FKK, my only exception is facebook connections where I enjoy peeping girls private lives, especially their BF LOL.
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