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Who the hell would want the British Isles? The only good thing coming from there is Single Malt Whisky. And that's Scotland.
HB.As a tool to export an easy to use language.
Who the hell would want the British Isles?HB.HB. As a longstanding harsh critic of the British I think I can reasonably jump to their defence. The stupidity of the British has been encouraged by the appalling politicians: in areas where the politicians give a good lead such as London, you will find the British to be enterprising and pleasant.
I know you were only responding to unwarranted attacks on Germany, so no problem. .
As for the respective intellectual requirements for repective languages there is a wealth of linguistic philosophy.
If I wanted to be provocative I could blame the French for the English language in its current form as it results from the forced introduction of French on the existing EngIsh after 1066 , or maybe I should blame all non native English speakers as, being a universal language, world english works down to the simplest level possible and has no poetry or intellectual finesse, unlike English English used properly (increasingly rare)
Or that english is a language for people who don't care about rules but want to achieve immediate goals at the expense of longterm goals. German is perhaps the opposite.
In conclusion, I can't think why the Germans would want the British. However you are still stuck with the French in the EU lol
My real fear is that Germany might follow Britain and become intoletant and narrowminded: this would mean the end of FKK :(
Who the hell would want the British Isles? The only good thing coming from there is Single Malt Whisky. And that's Scotland.
HB.British real ale and craft beer is king :D with its variety, creativity and innovation. Unlike German beer it does not have to adhere to an archaic list of ingredients.
Most long German words seem to be just sentences with the spaces taken out.That's the key to the long words.
The only good thing coming from there is Single Malt Whisky. And that's Scotland.
HB.They've punched way over their weight in terms of music, film / TV and comedians.
Citizen Kane
12-23-16, 16:32
They've punched way over their weight in terms of music, film / TV and comedians.Actually, thanks to Article 634.56 d of the Lisbon treaty signed by Gordon Brown in 2008, the Beatles are now technically French.
The Stones are Portuguese.
Actually, thanks to Article 634.56 d of the Lisbon treaty signed by Gordon Brown in 2008, the Beatles are now technically French.Yes well, they earned their chops and built their reputation by working the clubs of Hamburg, Germany. So! The Germans apparently liked something British straight out of Liverpool haha!
Who the hell would want the British Isles? The only good thing coming from there is Single Malt Whisky. And that's Scotland.
HB.BTW the term 'British isles' also includes the whole of the island of Ireland! The Republic of Ireland is a country, perhaps the only one in the world where foreigners tend to give a huge smile at the mention of it! It is and always strives to be a friend to the world at all times! Unfortunately, that doesn't extend to Irish People / Irish State being a friend to its own people!
So maybe better to read and answer than fighting with Polizei, Germany is sometimes not relaxing.Ofcourse, and as mentionned, google translate had no problems. Resent answer about a week ago. Point was just the long word. Fines are not too high in germany. It was just one point also... so no biggie. But I am more worried about that same box having flashed at me more times as I have passed it more than once a bit above. It was near Cologne on the autobahn just before some roadworks. Then again, only time will tell.
Ofcourse, and as mentionned, google translate had no problems. Resent answer about a week ago. Point was just the long word. Fines are not too high in germany. It was just one point also... so no biggie. But I am more worried about that same box having flashed at me more times as I have passed it more than once a bit above. It was near Cologne on the autobahn just before some roadworks. Then again, only time will tell.If it s only written money to pay, as a foreigner, no problem at all, you can decide to pay or not, so many times for me, but if they ask you to send your driving license, because too high over speed when I was arrested on 8 April 2014, even I read letters I would never send my French driving license to Speyer central, but I should have written answer: I don't understand German, they can forbid me to drive in Germany, but they can t take my foreign driving license if I'm not prosecuted and at this time I was not. Because I didn't answer to defend my rights, they consider I kept on driving when I was forbidden because I didn't send my license. Because I didn't read and answer, I get this criminal complaint when I was only asked to pay, after alcohol test and many questions, for over speed more than 100. Speed don t seem to be a big problem in Germany compare to France, but if you don't defend your rights, they can catch you more than 2 years and half later.
Citizen Kane
12-24-16, 11:25
Ofcourse, and as mentionned, google translate had no problems. Resent answer about a week ago. Point was just the long word. Fines are not too high in germany. It was just one point also... so no biggie. But I am more worried about that same box having flashed at me more times as I have passed it more than once a bit above. It was near Cologne on the autobahn just before some roadworks. Then again, only time will tell.Reply with "Iwasdrivingreallyfasttogettothehookers".
Reply with "Iwasdrivingreallyfasttogettothehookers".Good one. I might add a bit there: "HadabonersoIwasdrivingreallyfasttogettothehookers".
Now it has double reasoning also.
Siri: so you are saying I don't have to pay it when the probable bill arrives? I just assume I will get one as I googled and found it to be 90euro. The letter I got just said something like this:
"Unless you express your opinnion on the charge, a fine may be issued against you without further hearing"
Ofcourse, and as mentionned, google translate had no problems. Resent answer about a week ago. Point was just the long word. Fines are not too high in germany. It was just one point also... so no biggie. But I am more worried about that same box having flashed at me more times as I have passed it more than once a bit above. It was near Cologne on the autobahn just before some roadworks. Then again, only time will tell.That is a really nasty box. A sudden 60 kph speed limit on the A3 three lane wide with usually light traffic as you approach Koln from the south. It has been there for at least a year. Hope it didn't flash you more than the once.
The speed limit is so outlandish I thought the first few times I had misunderstood it as cars went past me at 100.
Cheers.
Member #4585
12-24-16, 20:20
If it s only written money to pay, as a foreigner, no problem at all, you can decide to pay or not, so many times for me, but if they ask you to send your driving license, because too high over speed when I was arrested on 8 April 2014, even I read letters I would never send my French driving license to Speyer central, but I should have written answer: I don't understand German, they can forbid me to drive in Germany, but they can t take my foreign driving license if I'm not prosecuted and at this time I was not. Because I didn't answer to defend my rights, they consider I kept on driving when I was forbidden because I didn't send my license. Because I didn't read and answer, I get this criminal complaint when I was only asked to pay, after alcohol test and many questions, for over speed more than 100. Speed don t seem to be a big problem in Germany compare to France, but if you don't defend your rights, they can catch you more than 2 years and half later.Sirioja,
To clarify, is this reason to explain the cryptic references you make randomly that you are no longer allowed to drive in Germany and why you now go to the Swiss clubs instead?
The speed limit is so outlandish I thought the first few times I had misunderstood it as cars went past me at 100.
Cheers.It has deffinately flashed me more times. Although I don't think I went as fast those times. As you say, it felt so weired that I assumed it was something else.
All cars around me went super slow there, so I have to admit I havent felt too comfy about it.
Member #4585
12-24-16, 22:19
It has deffinately flashed me more times. Although I don't think I went as fast those times. As you say, it felt so weired that I assumed it was something else.
All cars around me went super slow there, so I have to admit I havent felt too comfy about it.What I find is a good rule of thumb is if the cars with the local licence plates slow down or speed up then that is a sign to follow what they do.
If the guy is not local like a Dusseldorf plate in a Koln area then those are not locals.
Hessen Bub
12-24-16, 22:49
https://www.dreamstime.com/stock-illustration-speed-limits-germany-collection-german-limit-end-restriction-signs-image53763804
Just keep to the speed limit. About 10 km / h over the speed limit according to the speedometer should keep you on the safe side.
HB.
It has deffinately flashed me more times. Although I don't think I went as fast those times. As you say, it felt so weired that I assumed it was something else.
All cars around me went super slow there, so I have to admit I havent felt too comfy about it.From my experience and my mistake, write you don't understand German and send back the German letter. They have to know you understood what you were written, before being prosecuted, this is European or US law, I'm pretty sure they are not able to write in your language. Keep your answer letter when you return to Germany and enjoy your money with Andra or Mandy. I don't think we will see again Mersi. We are not a Globe Romanian prostitute, but my GF who gave me a great Swiss Christmas today, she was so sexy, with glasses like at World on May 2014 and so skillful, who was stolen 2000 CHF by Swiss police, scaring her because they knew she is a registered Romanian prostitute in Zurich. If police don't respect laws, will have to teach them, even with Romanian prostitutes. Easier money than catching pimps around or in brothels. Laws are not only for us, but also for police and justice, everybody have rights, to understand, to defend, not to be stolen.
Sirioja,
To clarify, is this reason to explain the cryptic references you make randomly that you are no longer allowed to drive in Germany and why you now go to the Swiss clubs instead?Globe is my most often visited club since June and I drove in Germany until 28 November. Without Kate and no more warm swimming pool, even Isabella was only for me today from 11.30 am until 5.30 pm when I left for ski, top GFE in and out of New York, discotheque blue light, room, Globe is not so great for me now, but I found great History even I know I will have problem with my 3 girls and also Amelia to try, but I enjoy top GFE beauties. Have to discover Westside close to German border with entry 60 and 63/30 mn, with Swiss WGs services quality I experienced, so after 28 , Germany will not be a first choice, of course I will return to Kate Aca to celebrate, maybe Kity, and we wished Merry Christmas with Megan, but as say my only friend in FKK, the most attractive in Germany for me may be autobahns, mostly at night to avoid traffic.
Hessen Bub
12-25-16, 08:43
Are you speeding on Swiss hihways also?
HB.
Member #4581
12-26-16, 20:04
I never understand the point of speeding. I wonder if some of those people have a death wish. Say, your destination is 65 miles away. Driving at 65 mph takes an hour, and driving at 85 mph takes 46 min. So, you save 14 min, and for what? Within 5 to 10 miles, you are reasonably safe but above that you are inviting trouble.
Vito Corleone
12-27-16, 04:04
I never understand the point of speeding. I wonder if some of those people have a death wish. Say, your destination is 65 miles away. Driving at 65 mph takes an hour, and driving at 85 mph takes 46 min. So, you save 14 min, and for what? Within 5 to 10 miles, you are reasonably safe but above that you are inviting trouble.I love driving fast in Germany! Average around 190-220 km. Sometimes even faster. It's quite a thrill. There's no rush to the clubs but it's a serious rush flying on the autobahn!
I never understand the point of speeding. I wonder if some of those people have a death wish. Say, your destination is 65 miles away. Driving at 65 mph takes an hour, and driving at 85 mph takes 46 min. So, you save 14 min, and for what? Within 5 to 10 miles, you are reasonably safe but above that you are inviting trouble.In US, just a nightmare for me to drive on 4 lines, straight motorways, like if I was at 100 between FRA airport and Darmstadt, at 60 miles per hour, I was feeling asleep even on sunny warm day. Had many problems with police on each of my 3 visits, in Florida, in California, even in Colorado.
In Germany, free speed parts, allow you to drive as fast as possible, everybody can drive his own speed, without forgetting a car can become a dangerous, often more than 1300 kg, weapon which can kill. When You drive nearly 100 000 kms per year, often at night, after skiing, or bike climbing mountains all day, then You learn how to survive, how to fight against sleeping, even through Switzerland, Italy or in France.
Also when your first car you bought when you were still student was a Hartge 3, after a few kilometers you made improved the K-jetronic by Alpina because Hartge didn't at this time, not usual on K-jetronic, became easier on Motronic, what a fun and pleasure car until engine was very tired at nearly 200 000. Then, when starting to work, tested M3 improved 2.5 Schnitzer, B6 3.5 Alpina, which were top performers at this time, until I saw the car of my life. When I first saw her she was so badly crashed, nearly remaining only her wing, but I wanted her, I felt I could re-build her and I did. With RS500 Cosworth named rodeo car at this time, everything was possible, it was a real race car, just have to put more turbo and gas pressure to get a rocket as efficient as Porsche turbo. 1 year and half later, I was alone with her and alone on wet road and I destroyed her, I didn't feel my injuries on head, body and legs, but I cried for her. Car insurance expert told me I give You the money to buy another one, I answered I m obliged to re-build her again, I did. When breaking hard later on motorway around Paris, I was crashed again, I re-build her again. 24 years together, 4 engines changed, 250 000 kms in a 3 times re-built race dreamed car. One of my GF used to ask me when I decided to re-build her: Who do You really prefer? When I spent so much time to re-build her. I sold her to a guy who with his father, seem to love her as I did. She will stay in a small museum with her little sister Escort RS Cosworth, a real karting. She deserves after 3 deaths, but 3 survivals from my love for her.
Now, with my new friends, electronics experts Shiftech, possible to improve 30/50 % car power, so just have to choose a good balance and strong engine, and easy to play with Germans for free speed, just have to stay alive. In race, you can only win if you finish the race.
Member #4581
12-27-16, 21:33
OK, I did not mean to imply why do people go fast ever, I was just asking why do they exceed local speed limits whatever they may be. I understand the thrill of going fast, even if it is not my cup of tea. In several decades of driving, I have never received one speeding ticket anywhere in the world; obviously, you can tell I am very risk averse, LOL.
100,000 km per year is quite impressive Siri! I have a long commute to work but my annual mileage rarely exceeds 20 K miles; You are an iron man!
OK, I did not mean to imply why do people go fast ever, I was just asking why do they exceed local speed limits whatever they may be. I understand the thrill of going fast, even if it is not my cup of tea. In several decades of driving, I have never received one speeding ticket anywhere in the world; obviously, you can tell I am very risk averse, LOL.
100,000 km per year is quite impressive Siri! I have a long commute to work but my annual mileage rarely exceeds 20 K miles; You are an iron man!I need to concentrate a lot to drive slowly on roads or motorways, I think I'm not able to drive slowly, because as soon I started to drive, I drove fast cars or race cars. I drove my beloved RS500 daily for more than 10 years.
On Winter 2014/2015, I drove many times 1300 kms in 18 hours, staying 6 hours at World. Easy with modern cars, but not same adrenaline, not same engine noise, than rodeo cars.
Real iron man is to climb Zoncolan, Mortirolo, 2 sides of Ventoux, when You feel your body burning inside, but You know you have to do it, you must not stop. Not for big belly, nor smokers.
Solo Traveler
12-28-16, 07:38
As far as I know, some North American and Western European men have foreign brides from Eastern Europe.
For example, the upcoming president of the US seems to have three Eastern European wives.
I am not planning to marry one, but just curious about the final outcome.
Does anyone know any stories or information regarding foreign brides?
Is it a practical way to gain happiness? Or it is just another form of P4P?
I never understand the point of speeding. I wonder if some of those people have a death wish. Say, your destination is 65 miles away. Driving at 65 mph takes an hour, and driving at 85 mph takes 46 min. So, you save 14 min, and for what? Within 5 to 10 miles, you are reasonably safe but above that you are inviting trouble.As a member in the fatal accident club Time is the least of my worries its lawsuits, court appearances, police, Insurance agent dealing, with insurances, threats, 5,6 years of lawsuits loss of license, et cetera Etc. Etc.
Citizen Kane
12-28-16, 10:33
RS500 daily for more than 10 years.Sierra Cosworth?
Is long-distance race consisting of a 2. 4-mile (3. 86 km) swim, a 112-mile (180.25 km) bicycle ride and a marathon 26.22-mile (42.20 km) run, raced in that order and without a break.
So, I am one quarter iron man :)
No car driving included. ;)
The new law. I was wondering if any of our well informed German colleagues had any idea if CIM is illegal if there is no contact between the penis and mouth?
Member #4581
12-28-16, 16:32
For example, the upcoming president of the US seems to have three Eastern European wives.
I am not planning to marry one, but just curious about the final outcome.Don't have anything useful to say about the gist of your question, but one small correction, Marla is as American as they come.
I never understand the point of speeding. I wonder if some of those people have a death wish. Say, your destination is 65 miles away. Driving at 65 mph takes an hour, and driving at 85 mph takes 46 min. So, you save 14 min, and for what? Within 5 to 10 miles, you are reasonably safe but above that you are inviting trouble.Emotion often trumps logic. Other side of it is for married mongers. How would they intercept the mail before their wife go to it? How would they explain why they were driving so fast, so late at night, so far from where they were supposed to be.
As far as I know, some North American and Western European men have foreign brides from Eastern Europe.
For example, the upcoming president of the US seems to have three Eastern European wives.
I am not planning to marry one, but just curious about the final outcome.
Does anyone know any stories or information regarding foreign brides?
Is it a practical way to gain happiness? Or it is just another form of P4P?Love / Marriage for sale is the answer to most of these eastern European wives, but it is like this one way or another, just different level.
But hey, she is going to be first lady, so she is the queen of these eastern European girl seeking for better lives, she is one of success case as there are many sad endings to these girls as not all men are damn or remain rich.
Marriage in modern day became totally different thing to our parent day, so personally, it is not worth it in this modern day.
I think from sex life and cost perspective, marriage is destruction of it.
PussyLiccker
12-30-16, 05:49
OK, I did not mean to imply why do people go fast ever, I was just asking why do they exceed local speed limits whatever they may be. I understand the thrill of going fast, even if it is not my cup of tea. In several decades of driving, I have never received one speeding ticket anywhere in the world; obviously, you can tell I am very risk averse, LOL.You haven't seen some of types of cars on the fast lane on the Autobahn? Veto pretty much said it. If I'm in a high performing car, my foot will get heavier. Haha.
The situation is that Autobahn has speed limits and no speed limit zones. But, I see cars coasting on the high speed lane. In the US, the speed limits are pretty consistent on the highways.
The situation in Koln is there are drastic reduction of speed in some area with speed cams, and it will catch ones not aware off-guard. So, anybody going through Koln, bridges, etc, watch out for the speed cams.
Sierra Cosworth?RS500 was the evolution with 2.4 race engine of Sierra RS Cosworth 2.0 16 DOHC with big wing. With increased to 3.5 bar and bigger Garett turbo I changed, versus 0.75 on RS Cosworth with 204 horses, with increased gas pressure and new Magnetti Marelli program to open gas for longer time, we got about 450/500 horses like in race, for 1250 kgs with 12 points safety cage, only on rear wheels drive. Less than 24 seconds for 1 kilometer, less than 19 seconds to be over 200 , starting stopped. When I bought in 1992, I could never buy one not so badly crashed, these cars were not to sale, they were for lovers, even destroyed she was the prettiest for my passionate eyes, more than 6 months to re-build her, to put safety cage, to re-build and improve engine with 200 CV increased. Then, just have to keep rodeo girl on the track. When I crashed her on end of 1994 , on wet, safety cage was broken, even with glasses in the hair, injuries and blood everywhere, I didn't want to let her alone. I took her to be safe in garage before going to hospital. Nearly 1 year to re-build her again and I even had to re-build her for third time. Again 3 months after being crashed from behind when breaking.
Only my grandmother was not afraid when I pushed, she just said to my mother: he is faster than others. Even now, she could compete with RS4 or Porsche turbo for performances, but she was not so easy to keep on track.
The new law. I was wondering if any of our well informed German colleagues had any idea if CIM is illegal if there is no contact between the penis and mouth?Whether or not it is illegal according to the letter of the law, it is illegal according to the spirit of the law. If someone actually managed to avoid a fine on this technicality, I'm sure that the law would be changed to cover it (pun, as always, intended) in the future.
What will change? Sex without condom won't be openly advertised, and you can't demand it or complain with success if you don't get it. So, it will be like prostitution everywhere where it is illegal, or like "extras" at massage places. No-one will raid you during a session and see what is going on.
The law primarily targets AO vaginal sex. This really is a higher risk (to both parties) than oral sex. While I prefer vaginal sex without a condom, I wouldn't opt for it with a working girl. So, personally, I won't suffer as a result of the law. I think that it isn't a good idea, but we should be happy that more extreme suggestins didn't go through.
As far as I know, some North American and Western European men have foreign brides from Eastern Europe.
I have one.
Is it a practical way to gain happiness? Or it is just another form of P4P?Sometimes it is thinly disguised prostitution, sometimes (as in my case) it is true love, sometimes (probably in the case of Donald and Milania) it is somewhere in-between. Like all other relationships.
Is long-distance race consisting of a 2. 4-mile (3. 86 km) swim, a 112-mile (180.25 km) bicycle ride and a marathon 26.22-mile (42.20 km) run, raced in that order and without a break.
So, I am one quarter iron man :)
No car driving included. ;)Worst is Embrun. FR with legendary higher than 2300 meters Izoard to climb. No problem for this, my climbings are much more difficult, sometimes over 20% climbing, but can t start at 6 am, swimming in the cold lake, even in August. I need warm water like was Globe swimming pool before they closed it to make now empty lounge. Not an improvement.
If BBBJ is taken off the menu, no point in FKK. A real shame. I absolutely love German women, rare as they are to find.
PussyLiccker
01-06-17, 21:20
If BBBJ is taken off the menu, no point in FKK. A real shame. I absolutely love German women, rare as they are to find.Even if BBBJ is taken off, there is still differences from escorts, RLDs. Seeing the girls at the clubs, hanging out at the clubs with many girls around, half HR rates, in robes or towels ready for multiple sessions, meals, wellness, atmospheres. Only that the exclusion of BBBJ gets services closer to RLD level. But yes, BBBJ is a significant aspect of service.
We'll see what real changes take place in due time.
Even if BBBJ is taken off, there is still differences from escorts, RLDs. Seeing the girls at the clubs, hanging out at the clubs with many girls around, half HR rates, in robes or towels ready for multiple sessions, meals, wellness, atmospheres. Only that the exclusion of BBBJ gets services closer to RLD level. But yes, BBBJ is a significant aspect of service.
We'll see what real changes take place in due time.If that happens, we got Austria and Zurich.
Interesting article on The Economist regarding decriminalizing sex work in Zimbabwe.
-Prices have dropped from 10 $ per 30 min to 2 $ for 30 min some nights.
- Unemployment is very high in Zimbabwe.
- There is no stigma against this work in zimbabwe, so all young girls are just flooding the market.
- It is also one of the poorest countries in the world.
But this gives us some indicators regarding how tough the competition could become if more borders are openned, stigma against this work falls further and unemployment rises even more. I do think the FKK model as long as there is a cap on the amount of clubs is very good for the girls. Otherwise there is no doubt unemployment will rise in the comming years, and moldova / ukraine / Georgia will probably all be allowed to work in eu soon. (They just were allowed in without visas a few weeks ago).
It seems the visa free deal with ukraine, moldova and Georgia will be voted on in the eu parlament on April 3rd. It was just the press release that came out 2 weeks ago. But it might have effects on the market in Germany. They might have a harder time getting work at FKK clubs, but apartments and rld's may get affected?
Or can anyone with more knowledge on german and eu laws pit in on this? Will they be allowed to work in FKK's also? If the vote is positive.
-Prices have dropped from 10 $ per 30 min to 2 $ for 30 min some nights.
You can frequently get girls in Thailand long time for 1000 to 1500 baht which works out very close to $3 per hour.
For someone traveling from US these FKK, AO etc clubs does not exist.
This made me laugh. Reminded me of the many FKK mongers flirting to their RO WGs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asUInMrsVrU
You can frequently get girls in Thailand long time for 1000 to 1500 baht which works out very close to $3 per hour.But you won't be fucking them for 10 hours non stop. Lol. If you want half hour in thailand, you will probably have to pay at least 500, if not 700 bath with the cheapest streetgirls or rld's... that is like 14-20$. So much pricier than zimbabwe. (top gogo girls short time price is now 3000 bath plus 600 bath barfine. Which is like pricy 100$. Though you can probably bargain it to 2500, and then you can also long time them for 4-5000, which means all night. So it is not comparable at all) So much pricier than zimbabwe. Now the quality is a bit different than what you get elsewhere too. lol
Not that i have been to zimbabwe. just prejudice, lol
The main observation done in asia compared to german fkk clubs is that the pricing model at fkks are caterred to having sex multiple times, while in asia it is caterred to only fucking once per day/night. You see the same at Macau saunas. But in Macau, the clubs work like pimps taking 50% cut of the price every time. So pretty bad for the girls even if the customers pay much more than in germany. (well, unless the girls in germany are pimped too ofcourse...). But at least it does reduce the entry fee cost quite a bit, down to 20-25$ for 24 hour stay with free food and even included sleepover in cubicles, saving hotel cost etc etc. Why german fkk's haven't stolen this idea from the macau saunas seems strange. Even in Thailand most girls pay the local mafia a set amount per week or month. but just because it is much less in house.
UltraHappy
01-10-17, 02:36
But you won't be fucking them for 10 hours non stop. Lol. If you want half hour in thailand, you will probably have to pay at least 500, if not 700 bath with the cheapest streetgirls or rld's... that is like 14-20$. So much pricier than zimbabwe. (top gogo girls short time price is now 3000 bath plus 600 bath barfine. Which is like pricy 100$. Though you can probably bargain it to 2500, and then you can also long time them for 4-5000, which means all night. So it is not comparable at all) So much pricier than zimbabwe. Now the quality is a bit different than what you get elsewhere too. lol
The main observation done in asia compared to german fkk clubs is that the pricing model at fkks are caterred to having sex multiple times, while in asia it is caterred to only fucking once per day/night. You see the same at Macau saunas. But in Macau, the clubs work like pimps taking 50% cut of the price every time. So pretty bad for the girls even if the customers pay much more than in germany. (well, unless the girls in germany are pimped too ofcourse...). But at least it does reduce the entry fee cost quite a bit, down to 20-25$ for 24 hour stay with free food and even included sleepover in cubicles, saving hotel cost etc etc. Why german fkk's haven't stolen this idea from the macau saunas seems strange. Even in Thailand most girls pay the local mafia a set amount per week or month. but just because it is much less in house.I don't know why guys would pay a Thai girl $140 for an all nighter if he could only have sex once with the girl the whole night. Doesn't sound like it would be worth it to me.
There are German FKKs that allow guys to stay overnight at the club, but it's usually cheaper to stay in a real hotel and plus, most guys don't want to sleep in the same room that people were fucking in all day.
If that happens, we got Austria and Zurich.Yes, I'll be in Europe in most of 2017, and have planned out my itinerary accordingly. Germany before July, and Austria / Switzerland after.
There are German FKKs that allow guys to stay overnight at the club, but it's usually cheaper to stay in a real hotel and plus, most guys don't want to sleep in the same room that people were fucking in all day.I don't think you understand the macau system. It costs nothing extra. And think of the beds like time capsules stuck into the wall. Japan style.
UltraHappy
01-10-17, 13:44
I don't think you understand the macau system. It costs nothing extra. And think of the beds like time capsules stuck into the wall. Japan style.Yeah, never been there. Sounds like an interesting concept. If you're sleeping in the time capsule / coffin thingy, where do you put your luggage? They have luggage lockers for your luggage or something?
Solo Traveler
01-10-17, 13:54
The main observation done in asia compared to german fkk clubs is that the pricing model at fkks are caterred to having sex multiple times, while in asia it is caterred to only fucking once per day/night. You see the same at Macau saunas.I am from TW. I just visited Macau for Eighteen sauna (the name is "Eighteen") in August 2016.
It turns out to be a extremely low-cost-performance sex vacation out there.
The Sauna entrance fee has risen to at least 400 MOP (47 EUR), so almost on par with the German FKK clubs. The unlimited use of food, wellness, sofa, and capsule bed is fine.
However, the P4 P system in Macau Sauna is a total rip-off. For god's sake, never again for me!
If you order one lady, and then the entrance fee can be waived. However, having one sex with one lady cost at least 2000 MOP (236 EUR) for one hour max.
And if you want to make the second order, it will cost another 1700 MOP (300 MOP is waived for second sex).
So, let's add things up.
In German FKK clubs (E. G. , Sharks).
Entrance 65 + 60-minutes sex 100 + 60-minute sex 100 = 265 Euro.
In Macau Sauna (E. G. , Eighteen Sauna).
Entrance 0 (waived because you order ladies) + 60-minutes sex 236 + 60-minute sex 201 = 437 Euro.
Macau Sauna is highly over-priced.
And I regret spending my vacation there.
Never again for me.
Although Macau is only 2 hours flight away from where I live, I would rather take over 11 hours to Germany in the future.
By the way, Piston, are you also from East Asia?
I have only known that Mr. Ho is the German FKK representative for JP.
It's better for us East Asian punters to know one another so that we can form some kind of "Anti-East-Asian-Sharks" league to fight against the dishonest women in FKK clubs who like to rip East Asians off.
LOL.
It's better for us East Asian punters to know one another so that we can form some kind of "Anti-East-Asian-Sharks" league to fight against the dishonest women in FKK clubs who like to rip East Asians off.
LOL.Good idea. Several times girls have told me they charge extra for East Asian tourists.
Wolvenvacht
01-10-17, 20:05
I don't know why guys would pay a Thai girl $140 for an all nighter if he could only have sex once with the girl the whole night. Doesn't sound like it would be worth it to me.Who gave you that idea?
An all-nighther aka 'Long time' is traditionally two pops before going to sleep and one more in the morning before she leaves.
So it is about USD50 per round and there is no time pressure.
Solo Traveller: I agree. But you do get included 2-way ferry tickets from shun tak in HK as well as free massage if you get the coupons. Still the whole package is like 2 k hkd. Which is too much I agree and 2nd fuck is a complete ripoff for sure... But 0 travel cost and 0 hotel cost. Still I find german fkks to be superior. But the main reason is language. Hardly anyone in macau among the girls can speak english. Maybe one or two of the vietnamese girls or one of the russians. But that is out of 150 girls.
Oh, and some chinese girl are the worst in bed. just laying there doing nothing. While some of the vietnamese girls are like a whirlwind. But there are also huge differences from province to province in china. But would be too much to write about here. And off topic. But certainly generalizations can be made...
(I agree Eighteen Sauna is the ground zero in Macau and should be compared to even though East Castle Spa has maybe more hype recently)
No, I'm not from EA... but funnily enough I was first introduced to fkk's by a german asian guy while chilling at a macau sauna... before then I didnt know about fkk's. 2012 I think it was... so it didnt use to be that bad back in 11 and 12 when the hkd (pegged to usd) was much cheaper to us europeans. Currency fluctuation last few years has gone against us too though...
I don't know why guys would pay a Thai girl $140 for an all nighter if he could only have sex once with the girl the whole night. Doesn't sound like it would be worth it to me.
Price and the number of rounds differ from girl to girl, city to city. I've paid as much as 140 euro's for an all nighter if the girl was one that I really needed to have. Other high quality gogo dancers were had for around 120 euros. Then you can stumble into a new cutie at a hole in the wall bar who will stay the night for 40 euro's. I remember one girl, we got back to the room and I turned on the tv to some old Eddie Murphy movie that was just starting. When the first round was done the credits were rolling. I fucked her one more time around 5 am and then again around 10 am. Alot depends on how much sleep you got the day before. Most rounds I ever got was five from a drunk gogo girl who let me do her bareback. I'd wake up and just stick it back in and afterwards she'd make sure we both showered. Felt sorry for the guy next door who kept hearing my shower running.
If you take a girl from a gogo you have to pay the barfine of around 1000 baht (give or take). 4000 baht is the usual LT rate (give or take). Beer bar girls can be had much cheaper, barfine is usually in the 300 range and the girls can get anywhere from 1000 baht to 2000 baht. 5000 baht is around 145 euro's. On the other hand in Germany you get the same three fucks (time is limited though) but with three different girls. I do find the service to be better in Fkk's but the sheer number of choices in Thailand wins hands down.
UltraHappy
01-11-17, 02:23
Who gave you that idea?
The post I was responding to -- The OP said, "But you won't be fucking them for 10 hours non stop. LOL. . . . The main observation done in asia compared to german FKK clubs is that the pricing model at fkks are caterred to having sex multiple times, while in asia it is caterred to only fucking once per day / night. ".
An all-nighther aka 'Long time' is traditionally two pops before going to sleep and one more in the morning before she leaves.
So it is about USD50 per round and there is no time pressure.Ok, that sounds much more reasonable for Asia.
Price and the number of rounds differ from girl to girl, city to city. I've paid as much as 140 euro's for an all nighter if the girl was one that I really needed to have. Other high quality gogo dancers were had for around 120 euros. Then you can stumble into a new cutie at a hole in the wall bar who will stay the night for 40 euro's. I remember one girl, we got back to the room and I turned on the tv to some old Eddie Murphy movie that was just starting. When the first round was done the credits were rolling. I fucked her one more time around 5 am and then again around 10 am. Alot depends on how much sleep you got the day before. Most rounds I ever got was five from a drunk gogo girl. I'd wake up and just stick it back in and afterwards she'd make sure we both showered. Felt sorry for the guy next door who kept hearing my shower running.
If you take a girl from a gogo you have to pay the barfine of around 1000 baht (give or take). 4000 baht is the usual LT rate (give or take). Beer bar girls can be had much cheaper, barfine is usually in the 300 range and the girls can get anywhere from 1000 baht to 2000 baht. 5000 baht is around 145 euro's. On the other hand in Germany you get the same three fucks (time is limited though) but with three different girls. I do find the service to be better in Fkk's but the sheer number of choices in Thailand wins hands down.Ok Breadman, looks like I'll have to reconsider and add Thailand to my list. I don't know when I'll get around to making a play visit there though -- it's so damn far!
YamaYama0519
01-11-17, 09:07
I made some girls have O in the room but not (almost) all girls as he insisted. …In my last FKK tour I took 46 girls to a room and observed orgasms of 32 girls, just 70%, not (almost) all. If you have ever experienced girl's orgasms in FKK, what is your frequency? One out of 10 ? Or 2 out of 10 ? Probably I'm just luckier to find girls of good chemistry with me than you. If your probability is just 10% or 20%, keep going and go for it! You could raise your chance to find hornier girls than now, like me.
…I feel it's too exaggerated…. I don't like making up stories nor exaggeration. I write just what I have observed. No one, however, can tell if a woman has reached climax or not except her, can't I either. According to Wiki, 26% of women fake an orgasm every time they have sex, so I'm not 100% sure if they have an orgasm or not. But do you think "involuntary muscular contraction in the lower body"is a fake O? "Stop it. Too sensitive now. Ticklish!" is fake? "Was sooo good, thanks YamaYama" is fake? ""Finished?" 'Yes, finished"" is fake? I don't know.
…Some girls said they pretended to have one if the customer is sticky.Even if I am a "sticky" customer, my girls sometimes don't have an orgasm, like Katy at World in May 2015,
…I remember the catastrophic session with her at World one year ago, where I could not make her cum by DATY in a one-and-half-an-hour room, so….
…I thought they enjoyed my sessions! ..
With some…the best from her.
I wish You can make difference…I repeat many times with some.Well stated, thanks, Vito and Siri. The important thing is, Yappo1, not a result, not an orgasm, but a process. If both of us, a girl and a guy, enjoy our session, that's enough. Don't feel sorry about your non-orgasm sessions, not jealous of others' orgasm-sessions. You'll have a next chance!
Go for it!
YamaYama.
You can feel their pussy clinching when they orgasm. And lots of girls are leaking as well when they do. There are some girls that are easy to make cum, and others are much harder. DATY normally works best with most if you want to do it consistently, but that can be tiering. I think the main think is just to be rested yourselves. Then it is easier to have her orgasm also as you are more powerred up. But a 75% ratio at an fkk sounds awfully much since the girls fuck so often (unless you aim for the less pretty ones, and we know they fuck less. So easier to make orgasm. Some are much more sensitive than others too. skintype, race, diet etc) Then you have those claiming they have a hard time having orgasm. But chances are those are the girls who smoke or just skipped a meal...
fkk girls are so afraid of gaining weight, and the beauty contest are so fierce that they sacrifice alot to stay ahead. But at the same time they forget to enjoy themselves and use the same old strategies on how to be fake perfect. And they dont know how to eat alot without getting fat...
InigoMontoya
01-11-17, 15:10
FKKs. You have 7 days in Germany w / night-crawler-style free travel cost but a 200 euro budget per day. Which 5 FKKs do you hit up? And optionally, why?
Admittedly, there may be ulterior motives in the question just having booked two April weeks in DE, but I thought it might be a fun discussion / distraction for the senior members as evidenced by the repetitive FKK forum questions I'm reading as I RTFF.
My initial RTFF top 5 would be: Acapulco, Mainhattan, SC Living Room, FKK Arabella (just because I got to go to an AO club before you-know), & Saunaclub Sixsens (coming from AMS because flights into Frankfurt are ridiculously stupid expensive).
Forgive me if its a total noob list.
How often does a customer get a girl to (genuine) orgasm?. Well, it depends to a large degree whether the customer is the sort who prefers this to happen. .
My percentage is high, maybe 75%, but ONLY because 90%of my sessions are multiple repeats with girls who normally orgasm with me. If one selects girls to achieve a particular result then it is no surprise if one gets that result. Hence the statistics become meaningless. A girl might tell me on first session that she never orgasms, but by the third session she is coming regularly. I don't think these girls are faking it (the details and context of each session make me think this)
On first sessions I get less than 5%, as I limit my DATY time, can't be bothered to make the commitment to get a girl to come and don't go over halfhour.
When doing DATY, an infallible clue (I think) to a coming orgasm is the secretions change, becoming thicker and with a unique taste.
Another clue is the behaviour after (alleged) orgasm. Most girls will be relaxed and even tired and be of their work for an hour or two. But not all
Personally I tend to discount alleged orgasms where the girl saysshe is having an orgasm: it is not normally a verbal experience (exceptions exist as always)
As others have said, it's not always easy to tell: even if there are pussy muscle contractions it could be faked
FKKs. You have 7 days in Germany w / night-crawler-style free travel cost but a 200 euro budget per day. Which 5 FKKs do you hit up? And optionally, why?
Admittedly, there may be ulterior motives in the question just having booked two April weeks in DE, but I thought it might be a fun discussion / distraction for the senior members as evidenced by the repetitive FKK forum questions I'm reading as I RTFF.
My initial RTFF top 5 would be: Acapulco, Mainhattan, SC Living Room, FKK Arabella (just because I got to go to an AO club before you-know), & Saunaclub Sixsens (coming from AMS because flights into Frankfurt are ridiculously stupid expensive).
Forgive me if its a total noob list.Is that €200 just for FKK? You will pay €30 - €60 for entry and usually €50 for a 30 minute session. If you do more AO clubs that will stretch but keep on going to the top FKK's and ask for extras and go for multiple sessions and you may run out of money. Check each club for entry and session cost. Acapulco will be the cheapest FKK at €40 + €40 x?
FKKs. You have 7 days in Germany w / night-crawler-style free travel cost but a 200 euro budget per day. Which 5 FKKs do you hit up? And optionally, why?
Admittedly, there may be ulterior motives in the question just having booked two April weeks in DE, but I thought it might be a fun discussion / distraction for the senior members as evidenced by the repetitive FKK forum questions I'm reading as I RTFF.
My initial RTFF top 5 would be: Acapulco, Mainhattan, SC Living Room, FKK Arabella (just because I got to go to an AO club before you-know), & Saunaclub Sixsens (coming from AMS because flights into Frankfurt are ridiculously stupid expensive).
Forgive me if its a total noob list.I've always found mid January to mid February the best time to find cheap flights in April and May, not sure where your coming from but I found cheaper airfare into Frankfurt than AMS from my home airport by 50 bucks, a reasonable $735 to FRA vs $776 into AMS. If your main purpose was to visit the clubs in Germany your going to spend alot of time and money traveling. Not sure what "night crawler style free travel" might mean, sounds like hitch hiking. Its also hard to give recommendations not knowing how you plan on getting around.
My top recommendations would be World, Sharks, Oase and Mainhattan. You'd then be able to check out Dietzenbach for your AO visit. All four of those clubs offering 50 euro entrance's (or in that area) on certain days. I'd also recommend you look into roundtrip flights to FRA from AMS.
Member #4581
01-12-17, 03:21
My percentage is approximately 40%.
Oh it is about girls' cumming? Nevermind, I was talking about how often I finish, LOL.
As for girls finishing in the room with me, it would be 0%. A few fake here and there in a half hearted manner, and then give up when they realize I could not give a damn about their over the top moans.
I found cheaper airfare into Frankfurt than AMS from my home airport by 50 bucks, a reasonable $735 to FRA vs $776 into AMS.Those darn american pilot unions right? But that's a pretty hefty amount from anywhere in the world. Now I wonder what obscure airport you fly from? Or what airlines you search through? Don't forget these airline search engines are highly biassed. And normally leaves out many of the cheaper carriers.
Here is what I pay return flight to germany from my local airport in february: 75€ (I allways get it somewhere between 60€ and 130€. With average at around 90€. So this time I lucked out more than average). Using my flight logic, the cost from anywhere in usa to germany or netherlands shouldnt be more than 5x that amount. And maybe as low as 3x if you live at a favorable airport. But thats what the lame american pilot union does to the competition in usa...
Those darn american pilot unions right?And what about the ones in Germany and France? Lufthansa and Air France always striking and shit!
My percentage is approximately 40%.Hey!
That's the same as my FKK LAA (Lifetime Anal Average). That's of the number of tutes that I've enjoyed in the FKKs, the percentage that I've butt fucked hehehe!
Member #4581
01-12-17, 19:32
3 times to 5 times, Seriously? If you can get me a round trip ticket from any airport in the US to Frankfurt in any month for 300 euro, I will buy you a full hour session with a girl of your choice with anal thrown in as a bonus, and for 400 euro I will pay for a half hour session with CIM and a drink of your choice at Sharks. Deal? LOL.
BadinSweet
01-13-17, 03:04
Jnpr30, I will take that challenge.
Here's one for my one hour session: https://goo.gl/flights/ppRS.
And this one for my half hour room: https://goo.gl/flights/kX04.
BadinSweet
01-13-17, 03:16
Just curious, is the SAT1 channel very common in Germany? Few years ago I was at Palace during the SuperBowl and they were showing the game on the TV. I want to make sure that Sharks or Oase would be able to change to this channel as I plan to be in FRA during this time. Thanks.
UltraHappy
01-13-17, 03:17
Jnpr30, I will take that challenge.
Here's one for my one hour session: https://goo.gl/flights/ppRS.
And this one for my half hour room: https://goo.gl/flights/kX04.Oh snap! I wish Wow Airlines would open a route to my home city! Wow has really great deals, even when considering that you have to tack on extra baggage fees just to bring a checked bag with you.
Heck, for retired folks in the States who have plenty of time on their hands, it probably makes sense to just buy a cheap Southwest ticket from their home city to Boston and then buy another transatlantic Wow ticket to Frankfurt. That would still be cheaper than buying a regular ticket on most of the major airlines.
Member #4581
01-13-17, 03:24
Wow indeed. Never heard of this airline. Goes to prove I should think more carefully before offering free session bets to the ISG pros. BadIn, dude you are the man! Next trip I will have to book on Wow and pay for your free session from my fare savings (not with Tatiana however, that's rubbing salt on the wound, LOL).
Just curious, is the SAT1 channel very common in Germany? Few years ago I was at Palace during the SuperBowl and they were showing the game on the TV. I want to make sure that Sharks or Oase would be able to change to this channel as I plan to be in FRA during this time. Thanks.In clubs, GT, LR, Sharks, World, Globe, I ask them to play Formula 1. Do the same. At Sharks, ask the barmaid on solarium side. Better to know the channel to say to them. Maybe Sky.
Jimmy Boy 99
01-13-17, 04:29
Jnpr30, I will take that challenge.
Here's one for my one hour session: https://goo.gl/flights/ppRS.
And this one for my half hour room: https://goo.gl/flights/kX04.Jnpr30,
Before you get a ticket on WOW, read these reviews:
https://www.yelp.com/biz/wow-air-boston
http://www.airlinequality.com/airline-reviews/wow-air/
While you may not pay much in dollars (maybe, given their charging fees for everything), you will certainly pay in other ways.
Just curious, is the SAT1 channel very common in Germany? Few years ago I was at Palace during the SuperBowl and they were showing the game on the TV. I want to make sure that Sharks or Oase would be able to change to this channel as I plan to be in FRA during this time. Thanks.All clubs have SAT1 channel, it's free TV in Germany. And ofc the clubs switch to SuperBowl if you or someone else ask. The only problem I see is that Oase and Sharks usually close at 4 am on Sundays and SuperBowl isn't usually finished at this time. No Frankfurt FKK club has offered a SuperBowl "party" so far in the past, that's a gap in the market for me.
BadinSweet
01-14-17, 00:41
Wow indeed. Never heard of this airline. Goes to prove I should think more carefully before offering free session bets to the ISG pros. BadIn, dude you are the man! Next trip I will have to book on Wow and pay for your free session from my fare savings (not with Tatiana however, that's rubbing salt on the wound, LOL).LOL, I will take the offer and "sadly" go with somebody else while you have a great time with Tatiana. I know I will not enjoy the session as you will be with Tatiana (plus I know she reads this site, LOL).
Craiova, Siri, thanks for your inputs about the SuperBowl. Yeah, I remember I went back to my hotel after the club closed to catch the last part of the game. Still best place to watch the game to me 😁.
YamaYama0519
01-14-17, 09:17
Most of these 'rate of orgasm' statements are far too high...
Absolutely agreed. I don't thinks girls are having them at the YY...ratemulti-O Evita...Seventy percent of girls I took to rooms in the last FKK tour experienced their orgasms or at least I could on my side recognize their orgasms.
Is this figure too high to you guys? Not to me. I bought 33 prostitutes in Japan last year, and 28 of them, 85% experienced O. According to Wiki, 26% of women fake an orgasm every time they have sex, so I'm not 100% sure if they have an orgasm or not.
But do you know why I could perform this high pop rate? This is because I work harder in a room than you guys! Let's me take an example with Daniela at Rom.
...15 min caressing, 30 min DATY,10 min missionary, my 30 min massage on her, my second 15 min DATY, my second 10 min missionary...
In total 15 min of caressing, 45 min of DATY, 20 min of miss and 30 min of my massage. No BBBJ by Daniela, because it has nothing to do with her O. I caress, I lick, I fuck, I massage and I pay.
My pop rate for the last FKK tour is, therefore, very, very low, 2%, only once in 46 sessions. Even if girls with me on a bed act like an Oscar-winning actress, that would be OK, because I have a good time with them.
BTW, I don't think Evita is a multi-O girl, Sandra at Sharks and Tatiana ex-Oase are multi-O girls in my experience, Claudia at Oase is close, though.
YamaYama0519
01-14-17, 09:42
...I bought 33 prostitutes in Japan last year, and 28 of them, 85% experienced O...You could read my reports in "Japanese Sex Guide (Nichi Pink)".
You could read my reports in "Japanese Sex Guide (Nichi Pink)".Did You get a real Geisha? I would like to meet one, if You know one who moved to Western Europe: Germany or France.
I find my pleasure in sports improving a few seconds when climbing, or taking risks for adrenaline when skiing, but good sex is not performance, but feeling, pleasure which is higher in brain than in condom or in belly for AO.
Keep on enjoying and dreaming. So sad when not able to dream anymore. I like girls who make me dream for their beauty, or GF behavior. Sometimes both.
Seventy percent of girls I took to rooms in the last FKK tour experienced their orgasms or at least I could on my side recognize their orgasms.If your figure is correct and if you allow for the possibility that 20% of the male clients are as fortunate as you are, this would mean girls orgasm with clients several time a day!
Note that as far as outward signs of arousal are concerned, faking is not the only explanation. A girl can get aroused (or "feel something") without having an orgasm. She may even feel something vaguely unpleasant, like being nervously aroused while having no willingness to orgasm. When a girl I do in doggy-style reaches with her hand to stimulate her pussy, I don't put it down to the girl wanting to orgasm. I put it down to the girl feeling my pounding unpleasant without some sort of sensory diversion. Same thing if you sodomise the girl and she manipulates her clit during the sodomy.
When I see signs of "orgasm" in a girl I tick every possible alternative explanation and I will only consider the possibility she's "cumming" as a very last resort.
I've had many working girls experiencing what were very likely genuine orgasms in the days I was into ravin' and rollin' + sex. That was in a country where girls were into prostitution for various reasons (other reasons than buying themselves a house in their home town). Those were the days. The merit of those orgasms was not mine alone. Exogenous chemicals lent a helping hand. That option is not one you would want to exercice in Germany (or anywhere in the world any more these days).
Of course if you want to indulge in the "fantasy" that the girl is having an orgasm, nothing wrong with that. I do sometimes when other fantasies fail to push me over the edge and it can provide some stimulation. Don't be ashamed about it: about any feeling or sensation a woman expresses towards a man is fake. Better believe in working girls' orgasms than believe in a girls' LUV and end up sleeping under bridges. As men, we all want to believe women are not just cold-blooded leeches. In your case the urge to believe is especially centered on the female orgasm. Nothing wrong with that.
PussyLiccker
01-14-17, 18:01
Jnpr30,
Before you get a ticket on WOW, read these reviews:
https://www.yelp.com/biz/wow-air-boston
http://www.airlinequality.com/airline-reviews/wow-air/
While you may not pay much in dollars (maybe, given their charging fees for everything), you will certainly pay in other ways.Wow doesn't have in flight entertainment and food is purchased(like other discount airlines). The perk is low prices if you are flexible on scheduling (limited flights). Like any airline, demands go up, and price rises. Not always their prices is the lowest, depends on the market like other flights to Europe.
If yall haven't tried Skyscanner (UK based), look into that site as well, I've seen flights that do not show on other aggregates.
I've heard about flightsome as low as 300+ on low season. Early yr is low season, and lately flights has been lower than in the past.
Getting the real steals of course has to do with your scheduling as the pricing depends on seasoning, location(what airport), the day of the week, and what day you purchase(and even what time you purchase.
Just because it'seems a discount airlines doesn'the mean the best pricing that fits a specific schedule, or even availability.
And what about the ones in Germany and France? Lufthansa and Air France always striking and shit!True, but the unions in europe have less of a saying as their lobbying is not functional. True that they try with what can be labelled illegal cartells (like in many businesses), but europe is much more open in the airlines industry than usa.
3 times to 5 times, Seriously? If you can get me a round trip ticket from any airport in the US to Frankfurt in any month for 300 euro, I will buy you a full hour session with a girl of your choice with anal thrown in as a bonus, and for 400 euro I will pay for a half hour session with CIM and a drink of your choice at Sharks. Deal? LOL.Deal! If 302$ is fine to Cologne instead of Frankfurt and you won't mind a transit in europe, we have a deal ;)
Also you didnt restrict me on time staying in europe. Otherwise you may have to increase it to 305$ (paying two of the four tickets in another currency may also increase the total a little).
I will await a PM ;)
(It also beats BadinSweets deal by a longshot)
YamaYama0519
01-14-17, 21:49
If your figure is correct and if you allow for the possibility that 20% of the male clients are as fortunate as you are, this would mean girls orgasm with clients several time a day!...Your estimation, 20% is too much. As much as 20 ppm is adequate, meaning several-time orgasms a year! LOL
...Note that as far as outward signs of arousal are concerned, faking is not the only explanation. A girl can get aroused (or "feel something") without having an orgasm. She may even feel something vaguely unpleasant, like being nervously aroused while having no willingness to orgasm...Thanks for your suggestion. Will google "unpleasant arousal".
...Of course if you want to indulge in the "fantasy" that the girl is having an orgasm, nothing wrong with that...In your case the urge to believe is especially centered on the female orgasm. Nothing wrong with that.Thanks for your warm comment. YY
Or why not, I'll post it here:
USA. FKK land:
New York JFK. Copenhagen (Norwegian Air).
Departure: Monday Feb. 6th 23:00.
Arrival: Tuesday Feb. 7th 12:10.
Copenhagen. Cologne / Bonn (Ryanair).
Departure: 18:10 Tuesday Feb. 7th 18:10.
Arrival: 19:40 Tuesday Feb. 7th 19:40.
FKK land. USA.
Cologne / Bonn. Copenhagen (Ryanair).
Departure: Tuesday Feb. 14th 20:05.
Arrival: Tuesday Feb. 14th 21:30.
Copenhagen. New York JFK (Norwegian Air).
Departure: Wednesday Feb. 15th 18:30.
Arrival: Wednesday Feb. 15th 21:00.
Price:
Norwegian Air: 1919 DKK (to get this deal, go through their danish portal.).
Ryanair: 30,82 $.
Total: about 305$
Now it may suck to have a sleepover in copenhagen on your way back to usa, but you can allways go sightseeing for a night (or day) right? And the late arrival in cologne will probably make a night time NRW club the best arrangement for the first night. (Oceans, Samya etc).
You may also pack all you can as carry on, but just a 1 week stay won't require a big suitcase anyway.
The good news is that Norwegian Air and Ryanair just signed a codesharing agreement on luggage / tickets etc to help feeder routes like this. That way you get the standard insurance from a delay also if that would become a problem. So the scheduels may improve soon. The news about it just came out a few days ago, but its comming soon. The bad news is that this could also rise the prices a little bit. But it should still beat wow and the rest of the industry.
Edit: You can also fly to Amsterdam or Berlin from JFK and still get it cheaper than with WOW with Norwegian Air but they sometimes direct you through Oslo even if Copenhagen is cheaper... So you might want to double check and book separately sometimes. Low cost airlines hardly give you discounts anyway...
Seventy percent of girls I took to rooms in the last FKK tour experienced their orgasms or at least I could on my side recognize their orgasms.
Is this figure too high to you guys? Not to me. I bought 33 prostitutes in Japan last year, and 28 of them, 85% experienced O. According to Wiki, 26% of women fake an orgasm every time they have sex, so I'm not 100% sure if they have an orgasm or not.
But do you know why I could perform this high pop rate? This is because I work harder in a room than you guys! Let's me take an example with Daniela at Rom.
In total 15 min of caressing, 45 min of DATY, 20 min of miss and 30 min of my massage. No BBBJ by Daniela, because it has nothing to do with her O. I caress, I lick, I fuck, I massage and I pay.
My pop rate for the last FKK tour is, therefore, very, very low, 2%, only once in 46 sessions. Even if girls with me on a bed act like an Oscar-winning actress, that would be OK, because I have a good time with them.
BTW, I don't think Evita is a multi-O girl, Sandra at Sharks and Tatiana ex-Oase are multi-O girls in my experience, Claudia at Oase is close, though.You can get girls to orgasm because you spend 2 hours per session with these girls. Most guys think you get this done in a 30 minute session YamaYama. Combined 15 minutes of caressing and 45 minutes of DATY should get a woman to get wet, especially if you get your fingers inside and hitting her G-Spot. I am guessing your 20 minutes of mish is combined with clitoral stimulation with your hand. They especially like you for giving them your 30 minute massage at the end. Nicely done!
FiddyCent.
PussyLiccker
01-15-17, 02:31
My guess is that the girl will have an idea what the punter is most into. If DATY is one of the main things, eventually they will figure that an O is something that's desired. So, they figure faking provides that illusion, and of course long DATY does extend the room, and perhaps repeat potential if that gets the guy excited enough.
I partake DATY rarely, but there has been girls that told me they O'd. Within short period of time. Usually heavy breathing, and once it's over their pussy is quite sensitive.
Guys has different things they're interested in, and I get a sense that the O's are most prized by YY. LOL. Some guys may not run into it due to what they find their service to be preferred. I get a sense that the girl is most relaxed if she is trying to achieve an O.
YamaYama0519
01-15-17, 03:50
...Nicely done!Thanks for your comment. My dream is to have Janine reach her climax. If I made it, do you think I would be honored Knight Grand Cross? LOL.
YamaYama0519
01-15-17, 03:53
...I get a sense that the O's are most prized by YY...the girl is most relaxed if she is trying to achieve an O...But no more Dina at Sharks, am really sad about it.
Thanks for your comment. My dream is to have Janine reach her climax. If I made it, do you think I would be honored Knight Grand Cross? LOL.Hey YamaYama! You are already the Jedi Knight Grand Cross.
I never met Janine, but I heard she was a dead fish. If you could get her to reach climax, then YES the community will crown you KGC. Personally, I usually give the girls massages before I take them in the room, but that did not translate to a good session in the room all the time. I suppose if I spent 2 hours with every girl, my percentages would improve. You give the girls what they want, and they will give you what you want. Some of the time anyways! .
Keep on trucking!
FiddyCent.
Hessen Bub
01-15-17, 10:07
You can get girls to orgasm because you spend 2 hours per session with these girls. He doesn't. Yama provides exact lengths of his sessions and they are usually 50€ or 100€ sessions. The famous "7 O's" with Sandra were achieved in 60 min. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3225-FKK-Sharks-Darmstadt&p=1966958&viewfull=1#post1966958.
HB.
He doesn't. Yama provides exact lengths of his sessions and they are usually 50 or 100 sessions. The famous "7 O's" with Sandra were achieved in 60 min. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3225-FKK-Sharks-Darmstadt&p=1966958&viewfull=1#post1966958.
HB.If there was only a way to be a fly on the wall to see if the Jedi Knight Master YamaYama really gets the girls off with his techniques. HessenBub, you are definitely on the Dark Side when it comes to his claims. Seven O's does sound a bit excessive in 60 minutes, but I never met Sandra. Could she be ultra sensitive or horny that day? Who knows? The girls, especially Sandra, must really like him. A Padawan like myself could use a lesson or two from the master. Next time, check how Sandra walks out of the room just after the session. That is all the evidence you need.
FiddyCent.
Hessen Bub
01-15-17, 11:17
HessenBub, you are definitely on the Dark Side when it comes to his claims. Got my reasons for that.
HB.
YamaYama0519
01-15-17, 12:14
...Personally, I usually give the girls massages before I take them in the room... Some girls including Sylvana have asked me to give them my massage on them in the lounge, but I've always refused their request, saying that I'm not free, if you payed me 50 Euro for 30-min massage, I would do that. I wouldn't like to make a long, long line of girls waiting for my massage. LOL. BTW, I'm called a professional massager in a Japanese FKK forum.
YamaYama0519
01-15-17, 12:16
Got my reasons for that. HB.Could you do me a favor, HB? Could you ask Sandra how many times she ever has cum'd on a bed? Ihr beide seid Deutsche. YY.
Rule of Thumb for us all. Don't believe what other members write (I don't even believe that what I write is necessarily true). We all have our own motivations and agendas. Sometimes it is so funny to hear what a girl says about a member when it totally contradicts what a member writes. I wonder what they say about me LOL.
BTW I NEVER discuss other members with girls, but sometimes they will make off the cuff comments.
BTW I NEVER discuss other members with girls, but sometimes they will make off the cuff comments.I also never discuss other members with the tutes or attempt to identify other members at the clubs. An advantage of being a member in the forum is that one may remain anonymous, and I choose to respect that to the fullest.
But no more Dina at Sharks, am really sad about it.She takes a break or moves or retire? Stars are leaving GND fuck factory. No Dina should involve no Nicoletta, after no Mersi. No Sylvana, no pointing nipples Helli, no Evita for the moment, no Beatrice. Sandra only a few days.
PussyLiccker
01-15-17, 14:40
He doesn't. Yama provides exact lengths of his sessions and they are usually 50 or 100 sessions. The famous "7 O's" with Sandra were achieved in 60 min. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3225-FKK-Sharks-Darmstadt&p=1966958&viewfull=1#post1966958.
HB.I just read one that says 8 Os in 40 min. It's an O every 5 min. Haha.
Then there are others mentions no Os.
YY, how are you counting all these Os?
Member #4581
01-15-17, 14:57
Rule of Thumb for us all. Don't believe what other members write (I don't even believe that what I write is necessarily true). We all have our own motivations and agendas. Sometimes it is so funny to hear what a girl says about a member when it totally contradicts what a member writes. I wonder what they say about me LOL.
BTW I NEVER discuss other members with girls, but sometimes they will make off the cuff comments.Not that you can believe anything and everything a girl says either. They have been known to stretch the truth here and there, you know.
You can never triangulate the "truth" from these so called investigations. Most girls can't know our identities from the stuff we write here. Heck, I can't remember which girl provides what kinda service or how she looks from reading here, and I attend just two clubs and already know a decent number of girls.
And what's with the obsession about knowing who is telling what truth? Guys here want to tell their stories, as they see it. I have long ago understood that in life truth itself is not a constant and changes from the vantage point of who is seeing it. You read these forums for entertainment, some rough idea about the clubs, and for me this includes social networking. Same as Facebook or posting on WSJ or Washingtonpost comment sections.
I just read one that says 8 Os in 40 min. It's an O every 5 min. Haha.
Then there are others mentions no Os. I guess it's like the poor joke about buses. For ages not one comes, then eight come one after the other LOL.
Member #4581
01-15-17, 15:24
Sandra is a great service provider. Like other great providers, she gives the customer what he wants and desires.
PussyLiccker
01-15-17, 15:31
Curious if anybody tried to replicate.
There has been girls that gets wet easily, they were known by others to react similarly.
Jimmy Boy 99
01-15-17, 16:55
If there was only a way to be a fly on the wall to see if the Jedi Knight Master YamaYama really gets the girls off with his techniques. HessenBub, you are definitely on the Dark Side when it comes to his claims. Seven O's does sound a bit excessive in 60 minutes, but I never met Sandra. Could she be ultra sensitive or horny that day? Who knows? The girls, especially Sandra, must really like him. A Padawan like myself could use a lesson or two from the master. Next time, check how Sandra walks out of the room just after the session. That is all the evidence you need.
FiddyCent.Once (and only once) during my 4 or 5 hour-long sessions with Sandra, I noticed a small pool of liquid in the middle of the bed. I showed it to her and told her that I didn't think I did it. She laughed and said I hadn't, so she is obviously capable of coming during a session, but her coming 7 (or is it 8?) times in 40 minutes would appear to be extraordinary, and more like her giving the illusion that YY wants, sort of like the girl at Sharks that someone posted was 21. When I asked her age during a chat with her, she was some years older. I told her about her reported age of 21; she laughed and said she would be whatever age the customer wanted her to be.
Once (and only once) during my 4 or 5 hour-long sessions with Sandra, I noticed a small pool of liquid in the middle of the bed. I showed it to her and told her that I didn't think I did it. She laughed and said I hadn't, so she is obviously capable of coming during a session, but her coming 7 (or is it 8?) times in 40 minutes would appear to be extraordinary, and more like her giving the illusion that YY wants, sort of like the girl at Sharks that someone posted was 21. When I asked her age during a chat with her, she was some years older. I told her about her reported age of 21; she laughed and said she would be whatever age the customer wanted her to be.Boy,
I have seen my girl cum 12-14 times within a period of 30-45 minutes (squirting). So nothing unusual.
Cheers.
Once (and only once) during my 4 or 5 hour-long sessions with Sandra, I noticed a small pool of liquid in the middle of the bed. I showed it to her and told her that I didn't think I did it. She laughed and said I hadn't, so she is obviously capable of coming during a session, but her coming 7 (or is it 8?) times in 40 minutes would appear to be extraordinary, and more like her giving the illusion that YY wants, sort of like the girl at Sharks that someone posted was 21. When I asked her age during a chat with her, she was some years older. I told her about her reported age of 21; she laughed and said she would be whatever age the customer wanted her to be.You do know that YamaYama does have a special talent.
FiddyCent.
PussyLiccker
01-15-17, 19:31
I also never discuss other members with the tutes or attempt to identify other members at the clubs. An advantage of being a member in the forum is that one may remain anonymous, and I choose to respect that to the fullest.I have no reason to talk about the forum or other guys.
Couple known members were brought up by girls, but other than what they had to say, nothing more.
Some guys do say they've been deduced or there are more ways than one may imagine. On occasions there has been guys that say girls read what is written about them.
YamaYama0519
01-15-17, 19:45
She takes a break or moves or retire? ....Dina is still at Sharks, but we got divorced, LOL
...99) Dina; We got a divorce! Dina told me we couldn't go to a room anymore because I lick and suck every pussy I take to a room with me. Yes, she once warned me, "Stop licking and sucking R***ian girls' pussies, otherwise you know what." Cannot repeat anymore against my will, sad.....
YamaYama0519
01-15-17, 19:51
...YY, how are you counting all these Os?Counting O during a session is not hard to do. Remembering everything in the session is very hard to do, so I make a simple memo on my cell phone after the session, LOL.
BTW I NEVER discuss other members with girls, but sometimes they will make off the cuff comments.
Couple known members were brought up by girls, but other than what they had to say, nothing more.
Hessen club girl brought up ISG member? Or NRW club girl brought up ice bear member?
Never had a WG bring up a specific forum or specific member to me. One time a WG just said to me "its written all over the internet! Been asked if I post maybe three times. But were not FKK, but two of three were escorts.
PussyLiccker
01-15-17, 20:22
ISG members.
ISG members.Hessen WGs then I am assuming. Since there are comparatively few ISG posts on the NRW clubs.
Men regularly bring up the ISG to me, but only half of the time do they bring up members. And usually it is the same three-four members.
YamaYama0519
01-15-17, 20:47
You do know that YamaYama does have a special talentNot me but Sandra, who is capable of having multiple orgasms, like Tatiana ex-Oase.
Not me but Sandra, who is capable of having multiple orgasms, like Tatiana ex-Oase.Well, if it wasn't for your techniques, YamaYama, how else would she be capable of having that many orgasms? Somebody had to open those flood gates. You deserve at least part of the credit. Just ignore the doubters.
FiddyCent.
YamaYama0519
01-15-17, 22:30
...Somebody had to open those flood gates...Yeah, I worked hard, kissing, caressing, licking, sucking, fingering and fucking as a gate opener. LOL.Thanks for your understanding.
Boy,
I have seen my girl cum 12-14 times within a period of 30-45 minutes (squirting). So nothing unusual.
Cheers.Thats called 'having a full bladder'.
Dina is still at Sharks, but we got divorced, LOL.Good for Sharks.
Keep on enjoying Romanian pussies, you are free to choose your pleasure with your money. I'm sure you can still improve. About cumming, I don't believe noises nor talk, I just believe bitter juice, or when you can't touch her too sensitive clit. My Aca girl offers me her pleasure now. I say to her to close her eyes and to dream about Brad Pitt. She answers she doesn't like him, so I say: So, dream about me. She says: OK, smiling. She relax and at the end I put my tongue deep in her vagina to drink her liquid. I said to her on this night, I love this. When she gives me her liquid, I can't touch her clit anymore, even after few minutes. As she is very busy, better for her not to cum, because she lose a lot of energy, but she seemed to understand I enjoy, so she makes me this present, relaxing and let me do, playing with my hair. Now, with 2 rooms on each visit, we are not far from rooms record = 50. For her behavior, she deserves.
I woke up some folks saying I should go to NRW. I just got back from Germany last month and already feeling horny, well we only get to live once right? LOL.
OK guys, I just booked flight to NRW finally. Been to Artemis for years, few times to various Hessen clubs.
So at NRW How are the line up in terms of optics? Do you find some stunners?
I understood about more younger and natural girls being present in NRW FKK, which is my taste, but I used to find those in FKK Artemis, you know younger natural German stunners, but now they are all gone at Artemis, so I am hoping to find such stunners at FKK in NRW. Are there such stunners at FKK oceans?
I am interested in golden time, FKK oceans, and also maybe I hear Liing room is good.
Can you give me advice on where I may have more chance of finding such stunners as described above in NRW?
I have no reason to talk about the forum or other guys.
Couple known members were brought up by girls, but other than what they had to say, nothing more.
Some guys do say they've been deduced or there are more ways than one may imagine. On occasions there has been guys that say girls read what is written about them.Some members or readers seem to have reasons to talk about some others, to tell to girls, at Sharks, World, GT, even LR. Fortunately, none of them visit Switzerland.
Many girls at Sharks read this forum. Erika told me many talk about me, even I only went with a few at Sharks, because I always repeat with same girls. As I did with Madi, when I asked her if I could write about her, I prefer to give my profile to my girls because I prefer they read themselves than being bullshit, like Megan was so many times. When they read what I wrote about them, never details about rooms, no more problems. My girls can decide if they want we keep on or not, because I don t run after them, I prefer they come to me, smiling. It gives me more GFE illusion. Funny when they send me: I will return from holidays on 2 February.
Some members or readers seem to have reasons to talk about some others, to tell to girls, at Sharks, World, GT, even LR. Fortunately, none of them visit Switzerland.
Many girls at Sharks read this forum. Erika told me many talk about me, even I only went with a few at Sharks, because I always repeat with same girls. As I did with Madi, when I asked her if I could write about her, I prefer to give my profile to my girls because I prefer they read themselves than being bullshit, like Megan was so many times. When they read what I wrote about them, never details about rooms, no more problems. My girls can decide if they want we keep on or not, because I don t run after them, I prefer they come to me, smiling. It gives me more GFE illusion. Funny when they send me: I will return from holidays on 2 February.The whole point of going to FKK and be pro monger is to avoid all these non sense and you guys do this at FKK LOL.
Who cares what girls says LOL.
New laws to outlaw the BBBJ is the topic.
Do the authorities implementing this expect any tangible benefits? What on earth would they be? Could they be measured somehow? Surely their is no claim it causes disease. That would be hard to prove.
Perhaps the measure will be automatically successful, due to having no way to discern any benefits or not? Is it purely a Psychological thing to make some political faction feel better in some way? Is it something to do with disgust levels at girls who "love to receive CIM"?
I certainly don't expect to comply with regulations. Will girls try to get our dicks in their mouth without the condom, LOL before we can stop them?
What about the poor guys that love to just lie there and get blown, where a struggle to get a London condom onto a limp dick will just kill their experience completely? LOL Maybe they will have to give FKK away?
Will there be a special thread for this including Police raid reports?
New laws to outlaw the BBBJ is the topic.
Do the authorities implementing this expect any tangible benefits? What on earth would they be? Could they be measured somehow? Surely their is no claim it causes disease. That would be hard to prove.
Perhaps the measure will be automatically successful, due to having no way to discern any benefits or not? Is it purely a Psychological thing to make some political faction feel better in some way? Is it something to do with disgust levels at girls who "love to receive CIM"?
I certainly don't expect to comply with regulations. Will girls try to get our dicks in their mouth without the condom, LOL before we can stop them?
What about the poor guys that love to just lie there and get blown, where a struggle to get a London condom onto a limp dick will just kill their experience completely? LOL Maybe they will have to give FKK away?
Will there be a special thread for this including Police raid reports?Well in the worst case scenario, we got Austria and Switzerland.
Well in the worst case scenario, we got Austria and Switzerland.Also YY NL for future free BBBJ.
Well in the worst case scenario, we got Austria and Switzerland.Yes, this new German law is the best thing to ever happen to the clubs in those countries. Should be interesting to see how much busier places like GT Vienna and Glove in Zurich get after July.
Well we do not know yet how it will affect German FKK scene till after July this year.
However, as I mentioned below post, it is good for monger like us to know that we have alternative solution like Switzerland and Austria if German FKK begin to not provide BBBJ as standard session.
Since I can only do about 3 rooms now, it does not bother me to go to Globe or Austrian FKK or related more expensive, but guaranteed service club.
I say this because when I find stunner, I do get lucky for 30 min session, but to get more, many times, I go for 1 hour session or 1.5 hour session, which I end up paying same price as Globe, the difference is that it is hassle for me to always negotiate with girls in German FKK. It is annoying. Where as globe or related club 30 minutes is full 30 minute and also service is guaranteed and they DFK you as soon as session start, so lately, I do begin to think that I do not mind moving my monger place to Switzerland. Reasonable hotel I can find, food can be hotel breakfast (Eggs! And kebab or related cheaper place, I mean it is only one week anyways. Session wise it is similar pricing in the end.
Once upon a time, when I began mongering in German FKK in year 2009 or 2010, it was still golden time when even for 60 euro 30 minute (I began in Artemis), I got DFK etc and even rim job when I am lucky few times without paying any extra and based on mutual feeling during session, and I got good enough session for just 30 minutes standard price, but now. I do get lucky sometimes, but much much less than before and less stunners etc. I do feel the game changes in German FKK. I think it peaked out for time being and this law do not make it better, so in worst case scenario, I am moving along, but I will give few more shots after new law passes to see if BBBJ become big new issue in German FKK as I do have feeling for German FKKs as so much nice memories there.
Yes, this new German law is the best thing to ever happen to the clubs in those countries. Should be interesting to see how much busier places like GT Vienna and Glove in Zurich get after July.But Switzerland is not same level for rates. 2 1 hour rooms at Globe is a 660 € day with entry. With my 2 girls, had more than 1000 € visits. Fortunately after October, I had to manage jealousy, so my visits became less expensive with only 1 girl met.
At YY NL, 50/30 mn for free BBBJ.
Hessen Bub
01-18-17, 09:59
The new law may be a good thing so don't get all worked up about it until it takes place. AO has been around but in the last few years AO has gotten out of control. With it becoming more common it's being used as a bargaining tool and way for some women to get more customers. Recently I was informed at one of the big clubs that a guest came down with HIV. He got this via AO and claimed he was with just one gal thus knew who gave it to him. He's been trying to expose the gal and the club. Moving the discussion here.
I doubt that story. I don't buy that a guy caught HIV from a one time BB session with a girl in a FKK club.
HB.
Yes, definitely fake. Or just that this new poster is new to fkking.
Moving the discussion here.
I doubt that story. I don't buy that a guy caught HIV from a one time BB session with a girl in a FKK club.
HB.It is hard to catch HIV, but AO club sound possible, FKK highly doubtfully.
I doubt the story. HIV is not easily transferred from women to men, and given the long incubation period I would be surprised he could be sure which girl to blame unless she announced her guilt or he had indulged in some sharing of needles or blood or faecal games with her.
He says he is trying to rxpose the club and girl? What did they do, tie him up and force him to have sex against his will? If he is Positive then how does he know he didn't infect her.
More to it than meets the eye. Maybe he did passive bareback anal with someone with a penis.
PussyLiccker
01-22-17, 05:56
The brother term is based on skin color and race is it not? And everyone not being black, is therefore not a brother. Sounds as racist as it gets to me. Like calling fellow guys with closely related genes 'humans', and others animals. Taking it a bit further ofcourse. What people do today in usa is not important. The histoic baggage is too strong, and liberal whites have the stockholm syndrome.
No plans on going dr at the moment. Thought about it in the past, but got of the idea after reading and hearing stories from people I talked to. Perhaps one day.
About Japan its the same. I've heard too much about clubs only being for locals. Haven't been there myself. Mostly heard alot from a close friend.
Especially in China I've seen that type of select racism though. At the KTV's you might see 9's or 10's when you enter as other guys are checking them out. But to you they only send the 4's and 5's. Made me disgusted a few times. Fellow chinese punter I was with figurred out he couldn't monger with a non asian, which is completely understandable, so we decided to set our own paths. It is that racist.Well, I agree that the term is not inclusive. It's more of inclusive to the race of people (but now a days, other cultures use it as well). You probably understand that sayings or slangs (relative to what people consider it as outside the conventional) come from culture, and built up from a group of people.
Usually, people of different culture build up a common vocabulary or their form of verbalizations, and the use of it creates a bond (familiarity or inclusiveness). People of different cultures have separate commonalities (sayings that each can relate to and understand better due to the frequent use in the circle). Blacks have a history in the US, togetherness was important over the times, and they share their own unique verbalizations due to segregation and separation. Unique culture are developed over time from separate circles.
We get outcomes from this. We got jazz, blues, hip-hop, are&be, various popular dance moves. Elvis Presley sang black folks music that got him popular. Rock back in the days came out of black music, the blues, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_roll
Japan, and other Asian countries are very homogenous, and they do tend to have stima against the unfamiliar.
Pistons, anything not related to the club threads, you should bring it to the lounge.
Ofcourse, you just put other words on it 'stigma against the unfamilliar'.
The word unfamiliar comes from un (non) familiair (family). So someone not from your own family. Someone not a 'brother'.
PussyLiccker
01-22-17, 06:31
It's good for your physical (and mental) health to "nut" on a regular basis. It's like anything else. If you don't use the equipment, it's going to rust and stop working! So, I try to nut at least every other day. If I go too long, that next nut actually might not feel so comfortable. So, keep the equipment oiled and pumping my lads! Hahaha!True, it's documented that regular nutting bring positive benefits. Like the stuff about kissing releasing chemicals on the brain, so no wonder so many folks are so addicted to that. Anything that releases or injects pleasure chemicals that people are easily receipted to will get people addicted. People can react differently.
It's all about what really people's minds are most receptive to that people will try to replicate over and over again to get the pleasure.
For some punters repetitions doesn't bring the same release, so they tend to change partners more often. This happens when people that are more open to new experiences, try new things, different girls, etc.
Prolonged nutting will make men easily release or within a shorter time period due to extra sensitive condition. Simply, you are more hornier (I guess this depends on age).
Personally, I think the non-prolonged nutted state bring more clarity to men's thoughts, and somebody with prolonged nutting in heat ready to bang anything that moves!
What would you do if you did not get an income increase in say 10 or even 15 years? Maybe sell some extra services?I think the issue is more that a 100% sudden price increase is too much. And also that there are girls asking for more than the standard. If there were more of a yearly small increment, there wouldn't be so much of a fuzz about it. But with the current behavior, some guys feel the girls are screwing them over when not delivering everything previously included for 50. And that mistrust creates a customer uproar.
Not to mention the stagflation in europe the last 10 years making it difficult to defend a price hike that high, considering the fundamental economics, especially in the local customer base...
True, it's documented that regular nutting bring positive benefits. Like the stuff about kissing releasing chemicals on the brain, so no wonder so many folks are so addicted to that. Anything that releases or injects pleasure chemicals that people are easily receipted to will get people addicted. People can react differently.
It's all about what really people's minds are most receptive to that people will try to replicate over and over again to get the pleasure.
For some punters repetitions doesn't bring the same release, so they tend to change partners more often. This happens when people that are more open to new experiences, try new things, different girls, etc.The problem is that monkey like me do not when to stop LOL.
PussyLiccker
01-23-17, 18:39
Vienna is great for culture and tourism, but not sure for brothels WGs services level. DFK and BBBJ are not always standard. It was Ok to get at Wellcum and Andiamo, and Carinthians mountains are so beautiful. 70/30 mn.
Switzerland is high GFE level for girls, but more expensive, but it worth the rate for pleasure for me. I may have soon to go to Globe for another ex Sharks. Not Anja of course. Really wish, after Sylvester tour, Kate will really retire.My Wien visit was pretty decent on the avg. I call it that because there was a polarity of mediocre to good sessions. If it wasn't my opinion would be different. Finding a great provider that meets the look I am very happy with makes the visit strong, but also the mediocre session leaves impressions as well. I mean 1 girl can do it for me if she is highly repeatable, and she certainly was.
The problem is the probability of CBJ or pricing GFE separate from it being part of a standard. But, chances of the girl switch up during session for the better is possible, but is that a guarantee? No. But, the girl knows me better after the session, decides to offer more. Outcome was great, but going into it unknow and possibilities of wasted time and Euros is the problem.
2/4 sessions. 1 good, 1 one of the tops of all time. I'm mixed.
There was also an older Russian I could have taken, very good pre-sale vibes, but ran out of juice unfortunately. 90% Romies I say.
A truly good provider was Daisy at Fun Palast. She just provides a good time without any hiccups. I think for p6, a proper so willing in general without any conditions, buildsuch the trust as Pistons mentions. Interestingly, she worked at Oceans and GT Wien. And who knows where else. In a club full ofor Romies with chances of time bombs among them, it's good to have an independent Bul provider. This may create jealousy among a circle toward this minority.
The Italian border clubs, not enough sessions to generalize. LOL.
Does Aurelia give GFE? She doesn'the seem to be known as a GFE provider. At Globe does her service change?
Well in the worst case scenario, we got Austria and Switzerland.Check the hotel rates in Geneva or Zurick and the price of flights to any of those airports (when they're not closed because of bad weather).
Check the hotel rates in Geneva or Zurick and the price of flights to any of those airports (when they're not closed because of bad weather).I know, it is crazy, I used to live in Geneva, but for me for good FKK, it is worth it LOL.
The thing is that globe line up did not impress me, do not get me wrong, it was good enough line up, but I expected all 8 or 9, but it was more like 7 and some 8.5 for beauty level.
For service, it was good, but I had better service in German FKK for similar price like extending session to one hour etc.
There are no FKK in NRW that girls are nude like in other places in Germany?
LR, GT, Samya, Oceans they all wear bikini or clothes right?
Then why on earth some of these places call themselves FKK?
PussyLiccker
01-24-17, 05:10
I know, it is crazy, I used to live in Geneva, but for me for good FKK, it is worth it LOL.
The thing is that globe line up did not impress me, do not get me wrong, it was good enough line up, but I expected all 8 or 9, but it was more like 7 and some 8.5 for beauty level.
For service, it was good, but I had better service in German FKK for similar price like extending session to one hour etc.You are not going to find a club with with so many 9's with such stringent requirements. But, I agree, I didn't think the place was full of stunners either.
I dunno if I was there on the wrong days, but what I heard from others is that, normally the girls are suppose to be thin types with weight requirements to be met, or they get booted. I've actually met a MILF, a thicker kind there, and thinking back, makes no sense why she'd be around with the requirements. Matter a fact, the LU wasn't wholey thin types on my visit awhile back. I recall stating that there were older types as well. It's been awhile, so LUs change.
I've seen girls that come from there. I've met thin, but also slims, but no thicks for sure.
Do you know what types you tend to go for? What type of body, boobs, height, hair, color, eyes, etc. ? Because, people's ideas of 9's and stunners vary to some degree. Some people maybe more generous with the numbering than others.
Banana Boi
01-24-17, 06:10
I've seen thick girls in Globe. Also seen very old ones. Kate is worth the drive there though.
You are not going to find a club with with so many 9's with such stringent requirements. But, I agree, I didn't think the place was full of stunners either.
I dunno if I was there on the wrong days, but what I heard from others is that, normally the girls are suppose to be thin types with weight requirements to be met, or they get booted. I've actually met a MILF, a thicker kind there, and thinking back, makes no sense why she'd be around with the requirements. Matter a fact, the LU wasn't wholey thin types on my visit awhile back. I recall stating that there were older types as well. It's been awhile, so LUs change.
I've seen girls that come from there. I've met thin, but also slims, but no thicks for sure.
Do you know what types you tend to go for? What type of body, boobs, height, hair, color, eyes, etc. ? Because, people's ideas of 9's and stunners vary to some degree. Some people maybe more generous with the numbering than others.I like thin or fit body around 170 CM to 180 CM girl, who are teeny type or model type beauty. I do not go for curves, I am more for fit to thin body. I like model or teeny beauty face, so I would say my taste is typical beautiful girl who could be model if they are taller type or next door hottest girl in class teeny type who is around 165 cm or bit taller.
Hard to find, but I get lucky now and then LOL.
I am not sure if any clubs below I may get lucky with my taste in NRW? Clubs I am planning to visit are Living room, Goldent time, FKK oceans and also Samya in cologne. I am not expecting full 9's in line up, but what I am saying is that which are those clubs has most chances of finding one or two girls which are 8 or 9's as describe above in line up, all I need is one or two girls like this in line up. Is NRW right place?
At least NRW seems to have younger or just starting in FKK kind of girl though, that is plus for me.
Golden Time in Vienna is for opticfikers. Girls look good and fully naked. However service is generally poor with constant attempts to upsell. 1/2 HR+60 Euros.
I wouldn't travel to Vienna just for FKK touring. But when I am there for business I do not waste time in hotel room.+1.
Only one short visit on my part, but your conclusions very much concurs with mine. You really have to know how to work a line-up, or you will soon be disappointed. Optics are ok, but not above anything you have already seen in Germany (at least in Frankfurt).
The facilities of GT Vienna seemed to have the size of Mainhattan (or slightly bigger?). Rooms are very basic. 60 girls seemed to be the norm at peak times. Garden is small being under a bridge of a major highway (slightly noisy and smelly). If World got flies and wasps at certain times of year, then GT Vienna certainly has ants creeping all over and biting you. LOL!
Seriously, GT Vienna is a nice club in many ways, but no alternative for me. At least until 1st July.
Gruss,
S16
The Frankfurt Lover
Seriously, GT Vienna is a nice club in many ways, but no alternative for me. At least until 1st July.Maybe ant cuddling will be the new hobby past 1st July.
Thing is, its easier to get to vienna than vilach, and zurich is a whole different price game, and not just the girls, but everything in the city and country also. So we'll see. Deffinately won't swich out Germany unless I feel forced to though. Though a summer trip to vilach is tempting... considering for the summer...
LR, GT, Samya, Oceans they all wear bikini or clothes right?
Then why on earth some of these places call themselves FKK?
Guys can be naked... lol
I've seen girls that come from there. I've met thin, but also slims, but no thicks for sure.
Thats exactly the thing, you can find a million ex-globe girls all over the german fkk clubs... So why go to Globe? I've lost count on how many girls I've met claiming to have worked in globe now... (even if I have a feeling 'worked in globe' is some sort of smartass sales pitch. lol)
InigoMontoya
01-24-17, 16:05
I would like to offer my heartfelt appreciation to the dozen constant senior member contributors of the ISG German FKK forum section. Thanks to your posts whilst I RTFF in preparation for my upcoming trip to Deutschland, my home for 4 years a decade ago, I realized I made a stupid horrible mistake booking my initial flight for the two weeks straddling orthodox Easter, and I avoided wasting my first true vacation in 6 years by changing my flight to mid-May. The noob-mistake may have cost me $300+ but I figure its worth it not to spend the entire vacation with sub-par LUs and wasted entry fees.
For the years of posts and knowledge gained by myself in RTFF, the absolute best way I can think of to thank Myrrh, Pedro, SoloTraveler, BigBuddy, PussyLicker, Sirioja, Vito, HB, Banana Boi, ExpatLover, Bitumen, UKbob, and all else is to post daily trip reports to the FKKs, Laufhaus's, and brothels I shall visit for my week and a half return in W Germany: LR, Babylon, YY, Sharks, Dietzenbach, Aca, Arabella, Samya, and Bernd's will most certainly be included; any other suggestions by the senior members would most certainly be welcome. Along with those FKK's, I do plan to visit old small town brothel haunts such as Villa Royale in Heidelberg-area.
Again, thank you to the regular senior posters to this forum. Any regular members who come across this post, read the fucking forum; whenever you're planning on visiting Germany, go back several years for the months you're planning to visit. Even as an experienced euro-monger, I feel I gained even more knowledge and made sure I'll have an much better time by RTFF.
PussyLiccker
01-25-17, 05:09
Hiliarious. Haha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVXnA5xD7VU
PussyLiccker
01-27-17, 04:14
Well after all Romanians are Latino right? Romanian language has Latin roots, and is one of the Romance languages as French, Italian, Spanish, etc. If the definition of Latino as you call it meaning their language roots in Latin, yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language#/media/File:Romance_languages_and_Romanian.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_languages
Context for Americans, Latino means people of Latin America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latino
Romanians are Eastern Europeans by location, but their language has Latin roots. People refer to the word Latina in different contexts, but in general Latina has a wider context.
Romanian language has Latin roots, and is one of the Romance languages as French, Italian, Spanish, etc. If the definition of Latino as you call it meaning their language roots in Latin, yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language#/media/File:Romance_languages_and_Romanian.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_languages
Context for Americans, Latino means people of Latin America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latino
Romanians are Eastern Europeans by location, but their language has Latin roots. People refer to the word Latina in different contexts, but in general Latina has a wider context.FKK culture has Romanian roots, context of Spanish and Italian means Romanians in German FKK LOL.
Spain and Italy is in western europe by location, on the mind of romanians, Spain and Italy are part of Romanian empire LOL.
ThomasNorway
01-27-17, 09:58
I'm going to be in the Frankfurt region, with a car, in two weeks time. I've been reading quite a bit about all of the big clubs. Sharks, Mainhattan, World, Oase, Palace etc. There seems to be a fair amount of people happy with all of them, and some unhappy with all of them. If I'm going to spend most of my day at a club. Which one should I go to? I realize it's an arbitrary question, but opinion is what I'm looking for.
And on a sidenote - which, if any, of the clubs would tolerate me bringing a phone or tablet with me into the lounge area?
Maybe Oase tolerates it the most. But they won't be too happy either if you use it in the lounge openly. Sharks or Palace are pretty strict on no phones at least...
ThomasNorway
01-27-17, 11:37
Maybe Oase tolerates it the most. But they won't be too happy either if you use it in the lounge openly. Sharks or Palace are pretty strict on no phones at least...Oase might be my best bet then. I'll need *something* to occupy me between sessions. .
Oase might be my best bet then. I'll need *something* to occupy me between sessions. .Really? These days I see FKK's more as a way to get off of that constant technology world we live in. Like a vacation into no phone land. (Only rarely fall into the 'read ISG' trap).
I'm going to be in the Frankfurt region, with a car, in two weeks time. I've been reading quite a bit about all of the big clubs. Sharks, Mainhattan, World, Oase, Palace etc. There seems to be a fair amount of people happy with all of them, and some unhappy with all of them. If I'm going to spend most of my day at a club. Which one should I go to? I realize it's an arbitrary question, but opinion is what I'm looking for.
And on a sidenote - which, if any, of the clubs would tolerate me bringing a phone or tablet with me into the lounge area?Only Oase. For others, in lockers or at entry.
PussyLiccker
01-28-17, 23:06
GT Vienna upstairs rooms are smaller than avg, enough for size of a bed and curtained off (Not closed off with a door. so, not sound isolated from the main lounge). There are rooms down stairs with doors, and the girls dormitory there as well. But, had no session down there, just one girl took me there as I requested a room with a door.
FunPalast rooms are bigger, but wouldn't say it's quality rooms either. Facilities are at FunPalast is not better. It's rather large (another warehouse type), feels a much isolated due to the number of girls is less, and everybody spread all around. GT Vienna on peak times on the other hand feels like there isn't enough room due to so many girls all around in the smaller space. Plus is you see all the girls in one place compared to Fun Palast where they are in various places like Magnum, but not really like Magnum. Facilities feel dated compared to GT, as with the rooms.
GT foods isn't all that great, and lack of place to dine during dinner is served due to everybody eating at the same time. There is no real separate dining area. At GT, everything is within the big lounge, the sauna, where food is served, Kino, etc.. Unlike clubs where those parts are in separate parts of the club.
GT food quality is better than Fun Palast, but more variety at FP. FP meals are more like what you find at Turkish clubs like Samya or Mondial.
The LU at GT is better than FP, but I think service levels at FP is likely better on the avg. Turkish patrons at FP. I thought FP had that Turkish club feel like Samya, Mondial, or Aca type clubs in De.
GT Wien feels more upscale besides the rooms and the rather small out-door area.
Best facilities and foods I've experienced ever was Wellcum. Andiamo also has modern and nice facilities, and more akin to Paradise or Palace.
ThomasNorway
01-28-17, 23:09
Really? These days I see FKK's more as a way to get off of that constant technology world we live in. Like a vacation into no phone land. (Only rarely fall into the 'read ISG' trap).Technically speaking a good point.
"Hello, my name is Thomas. I'm an addict. ".
Less flippantly I suppose I'd just like to have the option to distract myself.
Does anyone have opinions about the clubs in the Frankfurt area beyond their guidelines for electronic gadgets?
GT Vienna upstairs rooms are smaller than avg, enough for size of a bed and curtained off (Not closed off with a door. so, not sound isolated from the main lounge). There are rooms down stairs with doors, and the girls dormitory there as well. But, had no session down there, just one girl took me there as I requested a room with a door.
FunPalast rooms are bigger, but wouldn't say it's quality rooms either. Facilities are at FunPalast is not better. It's rather large (another warehouse type), feels a much isolated due to the number of girls is less, and everybody spread all around. GT Vienna on peak times on the other hand feels like there isn't enough room due to so many girls all around in the smaller space. Plus is you see all the girls in one place compared to Fun Palast where they are in various places like Magnum, but not really like Magnum. Facilities feel dated compared to GT, as with the rooms.
GT foods isn't all that great, and lack of place to dine during dinner is served due to everybody eating at the same time. There is no real separate dining area. At GT, everything is within the big lounge, the sauna, where food is served, Kino, etc.. Unlike clubs where those parts are in separate parts of the club.
GT food quality is better than Fun Palast, but more variety at FP. FP meals are more like what you find at Turkish clubs like Samya or Mondial.
The LU at GT is better than FP, but I think service levels at FP is likely better on the avg. Turkish patrons at FP. I thought FP had that Turkish club feel like Samya, Mondial, or Aca type clubs in De.
GT Wien feels more upscale besides the rooms and the rather small out-door area.
Best facilities and foods I've experienced ever was Wellcum. Andiamo also has modern and nice facilities, and more akin to Paradise or Palace.GT wien rooms definitely suck, upstairs and downstairs, GT and FP in wien are both older venues, their outdoors are dismal (placed in grey suburban areas), LU optics not so impressive (GT wien can be higher on random days), average service not on par with top german clubs.
GT wien has a dining area, room with tables and TV screen, hidden between indoor saunas and the couches after the lockers, most people seem to miss it. It's quite dumb that you have to cross the lounge with your food and drink to get there anyway.
Wellcum is nicer since it's newer, outdoor I really like there, but not so impressed by anything else, neither in wellcum nor in andiamo. Carinthians club cater to the italian crowds who are not exactly most demanding, so if you can have a great time there than your service and attitude expectations are probably not too high.
As a side note, italians seem to not realize that it is possible to set a sauna temperature of more than 70° - 75° degrees.
Austrian clubs have smaller LUs than top tier german clubs and cost +40% / +50% more for entrance and +20% / +40% more for room time compared to top german clubs.
All in all I would not be too thrilled if I had to switch from Germany to Austria for mongering.
GT wien rooms definitely suck, upstairs and downstairs, GT and FP in wien are both older venues, their outdoors are dismal (placed in grey suburban areas), LU optics not so impressive (GT wien can be higher on random days), average service not on par with top german clubs.
GT wien has a dining area, room with tables and TV screen, hidden between indoor saunas and the couches after the lockers, most people seem to miss it. It's quite dumb that you have to cross the lounge with your food and drink to get there anyway.
Wellcum is nicer since it's newer, outdoor I really like there, but not so impressed by anything else, neither in wellcum nor in andiamo. Carinthians club cater to the italian crowds who are not exactly most demanding, so if you can have a great time there than your service and attitude expectations are probably not too high.
As a side note, italians seem to not realize that it is possible to set a sauna temperature of more than 70 - 75 degrees.
Austrian clubs have smaller LUs than top tier german clubs and cost +40% / +50% more for entrance and +20% / +40% more for room time compared to top german clubs.
All in all I would not be too thrilled if I had to switch from Germany to Austria for mongering.So what are we supposed to do after this July? LOL.
I only care for line up optic especially the face to be beautiful and I care for nothing else, so I am in trouble here with Austrian FKK LOL.
Though beside the price being like 400 euro per hour, I hear Babylon is very good in Austria for LU optically.
However, aren't there any other good FKK in Austria after July or we only got Globe Zurich? LOL.
Well, don't forget YinYang and SixSense in NL also.
Well, don't forget YinYang and SixSense in NL also.Are these clubs comparable to German FKK?
Are line up good there optic wise comparison to German FKK and also service how is it there? The good thing about NL is herbs are legal and easy to buy good quality one.
After all if looks of the girls are good in those places in NL, I am interested.
Girls move about. Hard to say post July. But many girls have been there.
Girls move about. Hard to say post July. But many girls have been there.Yeah I am making trip now, tomorrow, then I will try to squeeze trip before July, so June most likely to enjoy the perhaps the last BBBJ in Germany.
Then I will wait till end of this year after my June trip to see how the law affect. Then if BBBJ in standard session seems OK after July, then I will make trip in November to Germany again.
I just hope BBBJ won't become like DFK, always negotiating, confirming etc etc. This will be so tiring and annoying.
The last BBBJ in Germany....hmm, sounds like a book title even.
...hmm, sounds like a book title even.It ain't over till it over, I am flying out tomorrow to get my dick sucked off in Germany before July LOL.
Oceans or Living room? Hmmm.
It ain't over till it over, I am flying out tomorrow to get my dick sucked off in Germany before July LOL.
Oceans or Living room? Hmmm.Maybe you should ask yourself what type of club you prefer? Only you know which girls you click with, and that's all random when you haven't been there. Besides, girls change clubs all the time too. Perhaps more in nrw than any other place...
The amphitheatre of Oceans if you are someone liking stage dances and eyecandy, or the more intimate Living Room if you prefer getting up close in smaller rooms? Both club visits are probably well spent time.
And check out websites for pictures.
Maybe you should ask yourself what type of club you prefer? Only you know which girls you click with, and that's all random when you haven't been there. Besides, girls change clubs all the time too. Perhaps more in nrw than any other place...
The amphitheatre of Oceans if you are someone liking stage dances and eyecandy, or the more intimate Living Room if you prefer getting up close in smaller rooms? Both club visits are probably well spent time.
And check out websites for pictures.Well I like eye candy meaning only how the girls look, so it sound as though Oceans is more like a club for me as Line up seems to be eye candy?
Well I like eye candy meaning only how the girls look, so it sound as though Oceans is more like a club for me as Line up seems to be eye candy?Roll the dice and see. LU was not impressive in mid Dec. Like it was earlier last fall, but hoping its back on track now.
Really hard to say with nrw clubs as the lineups change more than at hessen or artemis...
PussyLiccker
02-03-17, 02:47
Even some WGs can make in a day what people make in 2 or 3 months in Romania, but who enjoy this money? Many lazy Romanian taxi driver / BF / pimp, who are not able to work to buy their Mercedes. What are many girls in Romanian culture nowadays? Just piece of meat to make fast money. My new number 1 in Germany works 15 hours everyday, why? No pressure? Even she claims to have no BF and she is really passionate in room. She made only 200 per month working in a restaurant on north Bucharest, but I m sad for her, I don't think she is really free, to have to work so much. A Mazda bought after only 1 month in brothel. Lucky lazy guy.There is a significant pay gap from Ro avg to what the girls can make in the clubs. That large gap creates the drive. People like material goods, and need money to pay for them. Given the avg pay in Ro, people will look for ways to make good money to afford greater goods.
For the girls, P6 is an option. The Ro men do not have such option. Therefore, many of these men will be looking to the girls as a way to meet the financial and material needs. Pimps, guys looking for girls capable of bringing in the doe, etc.
Makes sense pimp activity would be higher in places of low economic conditions. Higher the rate of male population with not much prospects to quality level wage / living, more and more of them will be looking for alternative ways to get ahead. Situations of high criminal organizations spawn from these types of conditions.
People look for way to make good money if they are short of opportunities as long as they got the drive.
Guess I should have moved the discussion in the sharks thread in here also when Craiova wanted to discuss this same topic you are.
PL is pretty spot on, and that relation to crime networks is what frightens me with that new law proposal in romania. Then again, it does have a note stating human trafficing and prostitution cannot be pardonned. But there are ways around that with corruption being legallized. But discussing that is like opening a pandoras box as 'corruption' through bribery is so vague. The problem is that corruption is normally 3rd party offenses, so if they cut the investigation, finding the final lead will be impossible. And where funding comes from. Like that Artemis / Berlin shooting story, or what happened in Stuttgart.
Another thing in response to Craiova is that I doubt the girls are laughing about posts being made here, unless funny. Or about customers going to the clubs. It is their source of income. Nobody laughs at their source of income. And fkk's is nothing but large massage parlors, or wellness clubs. If anything, the fact that some, or most guys are married outside visiting fkk clubs, may rather open a discussion regarding marrige as an institution. China and east asia has a very special culture on that... and most wives knows about it and accepts it. Europe and the west is a little different. Then again, not everyone is happily married either...
PussyLiccker
02-03-17, 04:07
People of places in low economic conditions that just get by, they will place higher importance on material goods. Human condition craves what is lacking. People in places of higher quality of living, will tend to have comparatively place lower importance on material goods.
I think countries of a rapid transition states from low economic status to high will likely be more materialistic (sustain this materialism a bit) compared to countries that's always been on the top when it comes to quality of life. Because those counties were rarely deprived throughout the times.
It's what people cannot have or not common to them that they will crave. Human nature.
You got the tourist that is able to drop significant money by the HR with the girls. They got the money, but they crave something immaterial, sexual desires. On the opposite end, you got girls from low economies, they don't got the money.
Solo Traveler
02-03-17, 19:50
Another weird question.
I have a fetish for mature mother-type of women.
I grew up watching a lot of Hollywood movies produced around 1990's, so those films definitely fucked up my perception.
To be more specific, I like women whose appearance is very old-fashioned, such as Kelly Mcgillis in the movie Top Gun.
https://goo.gl/mxP0Hl.
The 1986 version of her. Not the way she looks like right now, LOL.
However, it seems impossible to get a working woman nowadays who still put on the hair-style and make-up of 1990's.
So, I think, maybe, the closest thing to what I want is some kind of "old-fashioned party" in some clubs?
Are there anything I want in the German FKK Sauna clubs?
Member #4585
02-04-17, 09:19
Maybe Palace or Golden Time has more on average the older aging types.
Another weird question.
I have a fetish for mature mother-type of women.
I grew up watching a lot of Hollywood movies produced around 1990's, so those films definitely fucked up my perception.
To be more specific, I like women whose appearance is very old-fashioned, such as Kelly Mcgillis in the movie Top Gun.
https://goo.gl/mxP0Hl.
The 1986 version of her. Not the way she looks like right now, LOL.
However, it seems impossible to get a working woman nowadays who still put on the hair-style and make-up of 1990's.
So, I think, maybe, the closest thing to what I want is some kind of "old-fashioned party" in some clubs?
Are there anything I want in the German FKK Sauna clubs?
Maybe Palace or Golden Time has more on average the older aging types.Hardly anyone over the age of 30 at Palace that I recall. Mostly 25-30, but I don't recollect anyone above.
Hessen Bub
02-04-17, 11:21
Hardly anyone over the age of 30 at Palace that I recall. Mostly 25-30, but I don't recollect anyone above.You're either not seeing good because it's quite dark at Palace or you just can't judge well. There's plenty of girls over 30 at Palace. Dilara. Anjelica. Nicoletta. Maria. Monika. One or two Bulgarians. The older Latina with silly cones. The small square Czech girl. And so on.
HB.
Perhaps I just have tunnel vision. Then again, I believe there are 2 Monica's. Or just 1, but Maggie sometimes says her name is Monica too. Or is that the Monica you claim is over 30? 1. 65 ish, dark brown hair, sillies, polish, perky butt, friends with chantal. Looks a bit like Angelina Jolie. I thought she was just 28. (It seems she is named Monica on the german forum, but her friends and the old palace profile picture says Maggie)
Hardly anyone over the age of 30 at Palace that I recall. Mostly 25-30, but I don't recollect anyone above.On first look I didn't get your ironic point. At palace much more girls older than 30 yo than under 25 yo.
Member #4585
02-04-17, 16:09
Hardly anyone over the age of 30 at Palace that I recall. Mostly 25-30, but I don't recollect anyone above.Good ironic joke. You are kidding right?
I swear its a MILFs delight at Palace.
If you ask FKK girls about their age, a few years margin of error should be included on the upside.
No girls at Palace that I know well, admits they are post 30, but lots probably are, yes.
Hessen Bub
02-05-17, 00:18
You're back pedalling? Obviously it's the girl's real age and not what they tell you. There's a handful of girls who were working at Atlantis in 2002. They are for sure 30+ now.
HB.
You're back pedalling? Obviously it's the girl's real age and not what they tell you. There's a handful of girls who were working at Atlantis in 2002. They are for sure 30+ now.
HB.Wow hb, next thing that'll happen is you giving out stories of knowing the girls from when they went to kindergarden, posting yearly photo albums of the girls when they leave the scene together with flower bouqettes and handing back the pacifier token they forgot at your first meeting (jk). 2002, I was still attending high school. LOL. Maybe that's why girls lower their age a year or two extra while with me. Hmm. (As if it makes any difference what age they are)
PussyLiccker
02-05-17, 07:16
Another weird question.
I have a fetish for mature mother-type of women.
I grew up watching a lot of Hollywood movies produced around 1990's, so those films definitely fucked up my perception.
To be more specific, I like women whose appearance is very old-fashioned, such as Kelly Mcgillis in the movie Top Gun.
https://goo.gl/mxP0Hl.
The 1986 version of her. Not the way she looks like right now, LOL.
However, it seems impossible to get a working woman nowadays who still put on the hair-style and make-up of 1990's.
So, I think, maybe, the closest thing to what I want is some kind of "old-fashioned party" in some clubs?
Are there anything I want in the German FKK Sauna clubs?I thought she was a bit MILFy as well, but I guess the pull is her sex appeal. I think Meg Ryan was too young at the time, and her peak point was her role in When Harry met Sally. Which came out few years after Top Gun so the added years made her more womanly.
For me (for screen portrayal), the female mechanic character, Bonnie on Knight Rider had a draw. Something about the role of a feminine female tech savy nerd character that maintains the car. She had the 70's, early 80's look which I find to be attractive. I also have a thing for retro looks, but for me, 70's, early 80's. I like the hair styles, and general styles from back then seems sexy. To me, late 80's, early 90's bad times.
80's had some hot actresses like Heather Locklier, Erin Gray in her Buck Rogers days, or the Wonder Woman chick. Looking back I think Brook Shields was one of the most beautiful woman back in the days in her prime when young.
Erika Eleniak in her Baywatch times and Playboy centerfold. Pamela Anderson had her prime when young as well.
Hessen Bub
02-05-17, 08:34
Wow hb, (As if it makes any difference what age they are)The question was about older women at Palace. Your answer was: no girls above 30. That's just not true. So why don't you just shut up if you don't have a clue about the club and don't know anything about the girls?
HB.
The question was about older women at Palace. Your answer was: no girls above 30. That's just not true. So why don't you just shut up if you don't have a clue about the club and don't know anything about the girls?
HB.If you have issues with other people posting, keep it to yourself. Your rage falls on deaf ears with me at least. If girls lie about their age, then its not my problem.
You out of context missquoted me also, but then again, these days everybody prefers to keep their own take on reality. From Trump or CNN to isg posters... so I'll excuse you due to bad influencers... lol
Hessen Bub
02-05-17, 10:13
If you have issues with other people posting, keep it to yourself. Your rage falls on deaf ears with me at least. You are spaming the board with useless posts containing either no or wrong information. Keep it to yourself if you don't have any information.
HB.
You are spaming the board with useless posts containing either no or wrong information. Keep it to yourself if you don't have any information.
HB.How is my own recollection on it 'wrong information'?
Quote: "Hardly anyone over the age of 30 at Palace that I recall. Mostly 25-30, but I don't recollect anyone above. ".
However, your response based on out of context quotings has spurred an additional 7 posts. A complete waste of bandwidth... lol
Craiova, Siri, thanks for your inputs about the SuperBowl. Yeah, I remember I went back to my hotel after the club closed to catch the last part of the game. Still best place to watch the game to me 😁.I know why I don't watch SuperBowl at FKK club. Wow over time and game still on.
KobaYashi25
02-06-17, 06:39
Hello to the forum,
I apologize if I am posting in the wrong place.
I am a new member and just got out of a long and sexually dead relationship.
I have a week's holiday in May and wanted advice on where to go for best value sex with beautiful pros.
Budget for women for the week is $5000. (Not including flight and hotel).
Happy to travel anywhere within 12 hrs.
Reading reviews I am thinking Germany FKK or Colombia but open to advice.
I am a Black American, mid 30's and live in LOS Angeles.
Thanks,
Kobayashi25.
Citizen Kane
02-06-17, 18:12
You know the old adage; when it comes to women, it's cheaper to rent than buy;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/06/court-orders-man-increase-payments-wife-lost-bulk-divorce-settlement/
This must be that there equality I keep hearing so much about...
Citizen Kane
02-06-17, 18:33
Hello to the forum,
I apologize if I am posting in the wrong place.
I am a new member and just got out of a long and sexually dead relationship.
I have a week's holiday in May and wanted advice on where to go for best value sex with beautiful pros.
Budget for women for the week is $5000. (Not including flight and hotel).
Happy to travel anywhere within 12 hrs.
Reading reviews I am thinking Germany FKK or Colombia but open to advice.
I am a Black American, mid 30's and live in LOS Angeles.
Thanks,
Kobayashi25.Unless you're a complete mug (buying champagne etc) ,you'll fuck yourself stupid on 5 grand for a week in Germany. They'll have to send you home in a wheelchair or a body bag.
Of course, a body bag could also be an option in Colombia.
Jimmy Boy 99
02-06-17, 19:22
Snip. I have a week's holiday in May and wanted advice on where to go for best value sex with beautiful pros. Budget for women for the week is $5000. (Not including flight and hotel). Happy to travel anywhere within 12 hrs. Reading reviews I am thinking Germany FKK or Colombia but open to advice. I am a Black American, mid 30's and live in LOS Angeles.
Thanks,
Kobayashi25.If you like extras (anal, cim, perhaps bbfs) and prefer phat asses to slimmer girls, like most Romanian girls in German FKKs/Sauna clubs are, if I were you I would go to Barbarella in Rio or Scandalo in Sao Paolo (or both, to sample each). For $700 a night, you could fuck 3 (maybe 4 at Barbarella) of the most beautiful ones every night, with most extras at no charge (not so in Germany), and far less potential racial discrimination from some German clubs and perhaps some girls.
Unless you're a complete mug (buying champagne etc) ,you'll fuck yourself stupid on 5 grand for a week in Germany. They'll have to send you home in a wheelchair or a body bag.
Of course, a body bag could also be an option in Colombia.Depending on what he means by a "week" 7 days? 5 days? 10 days (2 weekends)?
I go for 10 days and I usually spend 6-10 k for girls depending on LU and which of my "regulars" are working.
Also, German are known to be a bit cold and indifferent to strangers and foreigners, and this is in fact recognized by other Europeans, aside from people from other continent.The only thing I have noticed is that middle aged german women or young eastern european men behind the bar in FKK's tend to get a little annoyed unless you allways say bitte.
German girls below 40, and eastern european girls in FKK's and german bars allways treats me nice. Just like in spain, uk, czech, parts of asia etc.
But if you go to some of these street food stops, the personell behind the counter can seem a bit tired and in a bad mood. I think it has more to do with the german pressure to be efficient. And there are no tipping involved there also. But go to a rural train station, or a smaller village, and their all fine again. Like at Friedrichsdorf where everyone is so nice and helpfull. Almost like the village from Edward Scissorhand. So it is probably also big city pressure getting on their nerves.
Now I don't submit to the notion that it is normal to be rough unless there are tips involved. It is about making an impression and being an ambassador for your company and country wherever you are at any time. So it is not fine. But it is the same in the uk, France. Italy or usa (at least New York) is even worse in this in my experience. While more laid back places like Riga or Barcelona is much better.
To me the only thing that offends me about germans is their lack of humor. I try to tell a joke. Nobody gets it. They respond, I hopefully think they are playing along, and continue. But no, they were dead serious. I fear it is a syntaxical language barrier holding the humor at bay, but I am not sure. I might write a book about it one day (twitter style)
https://www.google.no/amp/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/02/03/brexit-germanys-financial-capital-plans-to-welcome-10000-uk-bankers.html?client=ms-android-samsung
Perhaps this is the boost the hessen FKK clubs so desperately need at the moment?
Citi, Goldman and UBS has been mentionned in relation to frankfurt. And I read somewhere that some banks might start to leave london within just a few weeks now (not months).
SoloTraveller. I'm not sure what your German experiences are, but I find the Germans to be extremely helpful. Your experience is not borne out by my personal experience: maybe it's my natural charm and my few words of German.
Pistons. I'm sad you haven't discovered the Germans' sense of humour. Dry in the extreme, and very funny. If you are telling them jokes I suspect you are barking up the wrong tree.
I do however like to tease the Germans by commenting the quality of their beer as being limited, unadventurous and uninventive: I am always entertained by the horror on their faces :D German humour doesn't extend to the sacred beer
I'm not sure why there seems to be so much stereotyped discussion in various threads about German traits (Pistons, I exclude your recent posts from this observation). Maybe the same approach should be used for others using the same level of facts.
Let's start with other nationalities. It is a well known fact that Americans are fat, loudmouthed and arrogant, that the Dutch are the rudest people in Europe, that the French are thin skinned, that the English are ignorant and arrogant and drunk, that the Italians are lazy, that the Finns hate company.
Pistons. I'm sad you haven't discovered the Germans' sense of humour. Dry in the extreme, and very funny. If you are telling them jokes I suspect you are barking up the wrong tree.
Actually dryness is what I am used to, but I haven't experienced the german dryness. Must have been brewed on a different type of tree.
Optimist, the obvious answer is we are pulling the legs of the germans here on the forum... but it doesnt seem to work as well as some have hope. I am however thinking of a few other methods instead. Like fake news... or openly inviting their girls away...
But for your idea, I think we need a list of the most active forumers and their nationalities to do that. Germans and americans are in the highest numbers. And then east asians as a group. And perhaps british. Syz is aussie, pl and bb are both dutch(?), siri is french and finnish fucker is obviously swedish. Aside from that I am blank...
KobaYashi25
02-07-17, 17:31
Citizen Kane, Jimmy Boy 99 and AznHotBoy. Thanks for the heads up and advice.
Jimmy Boy 99, will go with your advice and head to Rio.
Few questions. What is the quickest way from the States to Rio. I don't mind doing a domestic connection and then a direct flight to Rio.
From LAX quickest I can find is 15 hrs via Panama. Not keen on it as the airline is Copa which I have never flown. Would prefer a US airline if possible. Is there a preferred route used by other members?
Also hotel vs rental? I am thinking a rental as would be better so I can arrange daytime appointments with some of the ladies I meet at Barbarella.
Any recommended rentals? As long as it is safe, clean and close to the nightlife I am good. Does not have to be super high end. Would prefer to save on the rental and spend more booking beautiful Brazilian women.
Maximum I would like to spend on accommodation for a week would be $1000. At a stretch 1500.
Thanks again for all the great advice.
Jimmy Boy 99
02-07-17, 22:44
Citizen Kane, Jimmy Boy 99 and AznHotBoy. Thanks for the heads up and advice.
Jimmy Boy 99, will go with your advice and head to Rio.
Few questions. What is the quickest way from the States to Rio. I don't mind doing a domestic connection and then a direct flight to Rio.
From LAX quickest I can find is 15 hrs via Panama. Not keen on it as the airline is Copa which I have never flown. Would prefer a US airline if possible. Is there a preferred route used by other members?
Also hotel vs rental? I am thinking a rental as would be better so I can arrange daytime appointments with some of the ladies I meet at Barbarella.
Any recommended rentals? As long as it is safe, clean and close to the nightlife I am good. Does not have to be super high end. Would prefer to save on the rental and spend more booking beautiful Brazilian women.
Maximum I would like to spend on accommodation for a week would be $1000. At a stretch 1500.
Thanks again for all the great advice.For flights, check kayak.com and skyscanner.com. American, Delta, and United all fly to Rio, but are higher fare than Copa.
If you're going to do Barbarella, stay in Copacabana. Check airbnb.com. Check also the Rio de Janeiro Hotels & Apartments thread in the Brazil forum for other apartment renting websites. One guy I used when I stayed in Copacabana was gfrancorio@yahoo.com. $500 for a week should be more than enough for a one-bedroom apartment there.
Don't forget about the prives for daytime action. They can be very good and quite affordable. Also, you may want to check out some termas for action before Barbarella. Check gpguia.net and gparena.net, as well as the Rio thread here, for locations for prives and termas.
As you're going to Rio, read the tips in the Rio thread about staying safe. If you don't flash your wealth and tourist status, and stay aware of your surroundings, you will be fine.
KobaYashi25
02-08-17, 06:11
Jimmy Boy 99,
Thanks for the fantastic advice and details. Will research all the leads you gave. Really appreciate you giving me the inside track. Will get back to you if I have any more questions.
Thanks again.
Jimmy Boy 99
02-09-17, 05:09
Jimmy Boy 99,
Thanks for the fantastic advice and details. Will research all the leads you gave. Really appreciate you giving me the inside track. Will get back to you if I have any more questions.
Thanks again.Happy to help anytime. You may want to post your travel plans in the Brazil Travel Announcement section and check when you are there if there are any senior members in town to perhaps show you the ropes.
I made a report and a little bit comparison between two.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2231-Hong-Kong-Club-Reports&p=1999882&viewfull=1#post1999882.
I made a report and a little bit comparison between two.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2231-Hong-Kong-Club-Reports&p=1999882&viewfull=1#post1999882.Good report / comparison. I've been to Hong Kong and other nearby clubs several time, I traveled there because of the close proximity to San Diego border but I have never been to FKK Germany but it is on my list. You can negotiate the rubber off in Tijuana if you are a frequent traveler and have regulars. From what I heard FKK clubs in Germany the rubber option is available with testing and extra $$.
Guys,
I found myself getting really bored between sessions, more so this time than usual it felt like to me. What do some of you do to keep yourself occupied between sessions without getting so bored? I know this has been discussed before, but I'm looking for some new ideas. I could bring a book and try to find a quiet place until I'm ready to hunt again (and a place where I can avoid being hunted). I have tried to watch some sports on TV, but they only seem to have soccer (international football) on, and I can only get into that when it's a really, really big match. Frankfurt versus Darmstadt won't do it for me LOL! What do you guys do?
I actually wouldn't mind talking to the girls more. I mean a lot more! But only if I could do it without being constantly hit up for sessions. I think I know how to be responsible about it. I understand that time is money, and that if you're not going to take a girl, then good form means you don't try to dominate her time. If you're not going to take her, then you need to move on so that she can try to make herself desirable enough for somebody else to take her. I don't know. I see boys and girls just sitting around and standing on opposite walls. Bored to death! Seems to me there must be some better middle way. That's why my antenna went up when somebody mentioned a place that was more like a dance club where you can interact with the girls that way, and then if you like each other, then you can go session. Sounds kind of like the of like the old Club Help in Rio. Isn't it FKK Mondial? Or is it another club? I know it was in the NRW somewhere.
Anyway, interested in hearing what other mongers are doing to fight the boredom from not doing much between sessions. A monger can only eat and sleep between sessions for so much. And not all mongers have the freedom to engage in the hobby by inviting friends from their "other" life to join them. So, what are you guys out there doing to make the time pass more favorably between sessioning? This is probably more of a big issue for traveling mongers like me versus mongers who live in the area. Hell, a monger who lives in the area of the FKK will feel no pressure to stay there for long periods of time each visit. The local monger can get in there and hit it then quit the place and easily slide back into his "normal" life. But what about us guys who are flying in on vacations who feel we need to maximize our time in the clubs? In most of the clubs we can't even bring in our devices to surf the net. Need some fresh ideas please!
TC,
In nrw you could always use yr phone / tablet. Otherwise you could meet up with fellow ISGer and talk to kill time between sessions.
Luckily for me I'm used to sitting alone and waiting for my next possible target.
But yeah it does get boring sometimes but that's the life of a jedi master, LOL.
TC,
In nrw you could always use yr phone / tablet. Otherwise you could meet up with fellow ISGer and talk to kill time between sessions. Luckily for me I'm used to sitting alone and waiting for my next possible target.
OK, well another good reason for me to "invade" the NRW region of Germany. Do you know if Mondial is the one set up along a dance club model? I'm used to going it alone too, but I think it all somehow can / should be a little bit more "communal" shall we say. I'm very careful about who I meet. Met up with one guy two times after we had initially met while on separate mongering trips. Man what a pathetic disaster he turned out to be! It was actually OK the first time because we were in one of his known territories, and I was a new monger there. But the next time man! We were in one of my territories, and it was like having to babysit a grown ass man! Dude was getting stumbling drunk and digging in his nose and shit and driving the girls away! I said never again! And I have not. Of course, I think it would / should be different to meet up with an experienced ISGer who knows how to conduct good mongering. But even then, I think we all have to be careful and exercise some good judgment. Meeting people who are respectful of privacy and don't try to get too deeply into the personal affairs of other people is also very important.
Member #4581
02-20-17, 15:57
Cane,
You are an experienced monger. Yo have been all over the world. If you are bored now and not so much in the past, what changed? Clubs are still pretty much the same, no? For example, what do you do in your beloved Brazilian clubs to not get bored?
I spend 4 to 5 days in a row at my two clubs, Sharks and Oase, and I am in the clubs 8 to 10 hrs a day. Somehow, I keep myself entertained. Perhaps I am not easily bored? I take 3 to 5 sessions per day, and that occupies a few hours. Add the pre and post. Chatting up girls, deciding on which ones, going up and down, shower, etc etc. I walk around a lot, drink lots of coffee or tea and water. Girl watching, especially dozens of naked pretty girls, never gets boring for me. In fact, when I am back home after my trip, I miss that aspect of the clubs more than anything else, more than even the fucking etc. I feel like I could spend months on doing nothing but watch these naked beauties walk and strut and beg me and others to fuck them for a few bucks, and the day that gets boring, well I feel like I have truly become old, LOL.
That said, I think reading books, talking to people. Men and girls both. And even discretely reading e devices and phones are all good ways of passing time. TV too if that tickles your fancy. As long as we are not pointing electronic gadgets at other people, I think clubs are happy to tolerate them away from crowded areas.
Solo Traveler
02-20-17, 19:33
Every time I finished a sex vacation, I always experienced some kind of cultural shock.
I mean, during the past week (s), I have been mingling with working women only, but suddenly, right now, I am around with normal women again.
In P4P venues, I was a like a king or VIP.
But now, hey, I am nothing, sometimes worse, I am like a humble civilian that have to deal with some obnoxious queens or princesses in real life.
The difference and gap is extremely huge, so the shock occurred.
How do you folks deal with this kind of shock?
Cane,
I suggest you read this book http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17819467-the-juliette-society , read out loud your favorite passages to the girls walking by, form study groups with candidates for thorough analysis, take 1- 2 candidates to "special rooms" for further examinations. Who says reading a book needs to be boring? ;)
Seriously, as much as I love FKK clubbing, 2- 3 days in a row is enough for me. Then I need a break. Germany has so much to offer (scenic tours, historic places, biking tours, culinary experiences, white wine ... whatever your interests are). You can do your morning exercise at the FKK club, get out and do something else, and then get back later for some evening fun. Or take a whole day off. I see no shame in it. It can only improve your appetite for the "sweet stuff".
When in club, girls are my only priority. Who's that pretty girl? Who's that new girl? Who makes the gents happy? Who's been good and who's been bad? Ah, I never get tired of studying our lovelies. That is, until I eventually get pussy overdosed after 2- 3 days.
My strategy is more and shorter trips over few and long trips. Mind you, Germany is only a short flight away in my case.
Cane:
- You can allways dance at some clubs. At Artemis, Palace or at Oase or many other clubs, you can pole dance any time you want also. Some girls, especially at Oase are up for a small dance at any time. It is perhaps the best club to dance with the girls. Oceans is ok too, with some girls, but the space for it is more limited than at Oase, and less girls there dance alot. At Oase it feels like there allways is some club dancing some nights, and a vast majority of the girls there are up for a short swing.
- I also enjoy the jacuuzis and the steam rooms in my spare time between session. Just to relax. And those steam rooms wake me up if I am a little tired. Sharks has the best steam room and jacuuzis.
- On sundays they show formula one also at many clubs. So not only soccer if you don't like that. I love soccer, so that is never a problem with me. The Paradise VIP room which is open for everyone unless booked is the best room for sports by far where I have visited.
- Don't underestimate eating and taking a 1 HR nap between each session to get powerred up again.
- Talking crap and girls with fellow mongers is a great waste of time also. And it can get you in mood for a new session, and help you pick the right girl. So it is good to do this right before you make a decission.
- Some cinemas are good for just staying there in case you want a girl to engage you. The downside is that it can be hard sometimes to get the girl you fancy right there and then to approach you right when you want her to. Oase has the busiest cinema, but it is not the best place to fuck. Palace wins in that category.
- Using internet and phones ruins my experience while at a club... it just does as it moves your focus and attention away...
- In the summer, you can swim or play sports in the gardens. Or look at hot girls naked or in their bikinis. What sucks majorly is that many girls say it is too cold to sprawl around outside unless it is nearly 30 degrees. So this happens way too little :/
- At Oase you can go to the tiger-cage and fight to the death with ambient dramatic music playing in the background. The winner gets to sleep on the couch...
Some have told me the best club for just relaxing is YinYang. I am not sure why yet as I havent been there.
Member #4581
02-20-17, 22:38
Not a shock for me, but more of a withdrawal syndrome. Not dissimilar to the experience of someone who got high on some illegal drug (thank goodness that FKK is legal) and came back to the earth.
First couple of weeks are especially tough. Keep remembering the sights, smells, faces and smiles.
How do you deal with it? Just be and act normal. Of course, whenever you see a pretty young pussy in the real world (or the face and the body that goes with that pussy anyway), inside your head you can always be happy and confident that no matter what you just had a dozen of those, or perhaps better. Nobody can take that knowledge away from you.
Every time I finished a sex vacation, I always experienced some kind of cultural shock.
I mean, during the past week (s), I have been mingling with working women only, but suddenly, right now, I am around with normal women again.
In P4P venues, I was a like a king or VIP.
But now, hey, I am nothing, sometimes worse, I am like a humble civilian that have to deal with some obnoxious queens or princesses in real life.
The difference and gap is extremely huge, so the shock occurred.
How do you folks deal with this kind of shock?
UltraHappy
02-21-17, 00:25
I have thought about reading a book or similar activity during some of my downtime during my 12 hour daily club visits, but I've personally found that for me, it is pretty much impossible to concentrate on reading a book in the relax room with the knowledge that just a little ways away, there are tons of naked girls walking around, exuding sex. So, I've pretty much given up on trying to read a book at an FKK. My brain will simply not allow the necessary concentration needed for reading in FKK. For me, I would much prefer people watching over reading a book. Then again, when I'm in retirement later, maybe I'll have plenty of time to hang out every day in the club and read books.
During my downtime, I find it quite easy to chat up fellow mongers who are just hanging out like me between sessions. That passes the time in a more entertaining way with useful exchanges of information. When it's not busy in the club, I find the girls much more willing to hang out and chat, particularly around that dead time around 3 am to 5 am.
As far as electronic gadgets are concerned, even in the clubs that profess to prohibit these devices, I find that as long as you're really discreet with your device, no one really bothers me.
OK, well another good reason for me to "invade" the NRW region of Germany. Do you know if Mondial is the one set up along a dance club model? I'm used to going it alone too, but I think it all somehow can / should be a little bit more "communal" shall we say. I'm very careful about who I meet. Met up with one guy two times after we had initially met while on separate mongering trips. Man what a pathetic disaster he turned out to be! It was actually OK the first time because we were in one of his known territories, and I was a new monger there. But the next time man! We were in one of my territories, and it was like having to babysit a grown ass man! Dude was getting stumbling drunk and digging in his nose and shit and driving the girls away! I said never again! And I have not. Of course, I think it would / should be different to meet up with an experienced ISGer who knows how to conduct good mongering. But even then, I think we all have to be careful and exercise some good judgment. Meeting people who are respectful of privacy and don't try to get too deeply into the personal affairs of other people is also very important.Sorry I haven't been to Mondial so can't answer on that. Too bad you found yrself a baby padawan as yr wingman, LOL.
Guess I've been lucky. The few times I've meet someone turned out to be great. Its not like we need to hang out for long if we don't click.
Thinking back I don't use the phone that much maybe just checking the market and some news for a few minutes. It will be difficult to play with the phone for hours with so much distractions, LOL.
Like UH I too have thought about bringing a book / magazine to read but realized before trying that it wouldn't work again too much distractions.
Guess you have to deal with the dead time between sessions when you are not eating, relaxing etc or perhaps consider staying less time at the club.
You could always talk to some random guys at the club.
Hope you find the cure of yr boredom, LOL.
Banana Boi
02-21-17, 17:30
Do you know if Mondial is the one set up along a dance club model? Mondial after 10 pm is like nothing else in Hessen. Mondial is far crazier than even the original Samya. Almost all girls dancing with Turks in their underwear.
As for meeting guys from ISG I have met about 10 and everyone is laid back and cool. As others said, just start talking to guys in the club. Met some great characters talking to some random guys. Imo there is no downtime in a FKK. If the club bores me I hop on to the next one.
Every time I finished a sex vacation, I always experienced some kind of cultural shock. I mean, during the past week (s), I have been mingling with working women only, but suddenly, right now, I am around with normal women again. In P4P venues, I was a like a king or VIP. But now, hey, I am nothing, sometimes worse, I am like a humble civilian that have to deal with some obnoxious queens or princesses in real life. The difference and gap is extremely huge, so the shock occurred. How do you folks deal with this kind of shock?I know the shock of which you speak. It used to happen to me a lot when I first started mongering, but over the years I've learned to deal with it. I mean, I'm just able to draw this hard line, and I act accordingly depending on which side of the line I'm on. Mongering life over here. Regular life over there. And never the two shall meet!
I remember what happened the one time when I didn't abide by this rule and allowed my guard to slip. It was about 6 years ago, and I had been on a trip to Brazil. Living it up! Eating good food, drinking good beer, and fucking the daylights out of those fine young ladies! What the hell else does a man want or need LOL? Once the trip concluded, I immediately had to go on some business travel. In the evening, I found myself in a bar / dance place with lots more of them fine young ladies. Well, still feeling on an euphoric high from the mongering Brazil trip, I approached one of those fine young things to try to dance with her, but she shook her head no and waived my ass off hahaha!
Said to myself afterwards, "You just got what you deserved! Where do you think you are? In Brazil fucking with the tutes? Hell no, your ass is here back in the US of A! Where that older guy (creep) coming on to that younger girl just doesn't play in Peoria! You just got clowned dumb ass because you didn't remember where you were and act accordingly, and that the two sides must always be kept separate. Never, ever let that happen again. " And I have not either.
Cane:
- You can allways dance at some clubs. At Artemis, Palace or at Oase or many other clubs, you can pole dance any time you want also. Some girls, especially at Oase are up for a small dance at any time. It is perhaps the best club to dance with the girls. Oceans is ok too, with some girls, but the space for it is more limited than at Oase, and less girls there dance alot. At Oase it feels like there allways is some club dancing some nights, and a vast majority of the girls there are up for a short swing.
- I also enjoy the jacuuzis and the steam rooms in my spare time between session. Just to relax. And those steam rooms wake me up if I am a little tired. Sharks has the best steam room and jacuuzis.
- On sundays they show formula one also at many clubs. So not only soccer if you don't like that. I love soccer, so that is never a problem with me. The Paradise VIP room which is open for everyone unless booked is the best room for sports by far where I have visited.
- Don't underestimate eating and taking a 1 HR nap between each session to get powerred up again.
- Talking crap and girls with fellow mongers is a great waste of time also. And it can get you in mood for a new session, and help you pick the right girl..Hey mr Piston,
NRW was good and as for service, I got to say NRW is much better as rumored.
My favorite club was oceans actually. I have to say it was so shit till 7PM ish then LU had few stunner, one of them was eleney and other one was polish model type girl. But in oceans most girls are not good, but good stunner in oceans.
GT was good as well, but it really is summer club, I got sick after going to GT going outside for session in cabin rooms outside and to restaurant. Back and forth in cold weather and warm inside you know.
Living room is not my FKK, it was horrible, but good service.
I know the shock of which you speak. It used to happen to me a lot when I first started mongering, but over the years I've learned to deal with it. I mean, I'm just able to draw this hard line, and I act accordingly depending on which side of the line I'm on. Mongering life over here. Regular life over there. And never the two shall meet!
I remember what happened the one time when I didn't abide by this rule and allowed my guard to slip. It was about 6 years ago, and I had been on a trip to Brazil. Living it up! Eating good food, drinking good beer, and fucking the daylights out of those fine young ladies! What the hell else does a man want or need LOL? Once the trip concluded, I immediately had to go on some business travel. In the evening, I found myself in a bar / dance place with lots more of them fine young ladies. Well, still feeling on an euphoric high from the mongering Brazil trip, I approached one of those fine young things to try to dance with her, but she shook her head no and waived my ass off hahaha!
Said to myself afterwards, "You just got what you deserved! Where do you think you are? In Brazil fucking with the tutes? Hell no, your ass is here back in the US of A! Where that older guy (creep) coming on to that younger girl just doesn't play in Peoria! You just got clowned dumb ass because you didn't remember where you were and act accordingly, and that the two sides must always be kept separate. Never, ever let that happen again. " And I have not either.At least you did not approach that lady in bar dancing with 50 Euro bill on your hand LOL!
PussyLiccker
02-23-17, 01:31
Hey mr Piston,
NRW was good and as for service, I got to say NRW is much better as rumored.
My favorite club was oceans actually. I have to say it was so shit till 7PM ish then LU had few stunner, one of them was eleney and other one was polish model type girl. But in oceans most girls are not good, but good stunner in oceans.
GT was good as well, but it really is summer club, I got sick after going to GT going outside for session in cabin rooms outside and to restaurant. Back and forth in cold weather and warm inside you know.
Living room is not my FKK, it was horrible, but good service.Mr Ho, we answered all your questions and all we get is this? How about some extensive reporting on the respective threads?
Yeah, I like GT in the summer. People head out to the garden, lessens the crowds in the lounge. I like the cabins, that's one of the biggest charms of the place. Like going out to nature and fucking in the cabins!
Why do yall Atemis guys have the same damn taste in clubs? The sharky ones. It's like when other clubs become sharkier, yall sniff it out and head for them. LOL.
PussyLiccker
02-23-17, 03:37
My favorite club was oceans actually. LU had few stunner, one of them was eleney and other one was polish model type girl
She was hot, best looking chick at Oceans. I'm pretty confident that she is objectively a smokin hot babe.
Mr Ho, we answered all your questions and all we get is this? How about some extensive reporting on the respective threads?
Yeah, I like GT in the summer. People head out to the garden, lessens the crowds in the lounge. I like the cabins, that's one of the biggest charms of the place. Like going out to nature and fucking in the cabins!
Why do yall Atemis guys have the same damn taste in clubs? The sharky ones. It's like when other clubs become sharkier, yall sniff it out and head for them. LOL.Well, I could write all the names, but I do not remember many and what good does it do LOL.
It is not like that I am hiding but I remember very few names as I went to each club one or max two days. But Kiti at GT and Eleny at oceans and some other girls I considered stunner was good. Rest I can tell you nationality and how she looks, but it get into this was it such and such etc. LOL.
However, this is my general opinion on NRW.
All clubs are not hat bad to get to by train and bus if you organize and that include GT, but GT last train is at 9 and 10 PM, so you better leave club earlier than those time and sometimes taxi took 10 minutes to come after reception call.
GT is the over all best club, but for stunner level I liked oceans, but never goto oceans before 6 PM. Worst LU, after 6 PM stunner began to walk in to floor, there were two or three stunner, one is eleny and other one was polish model type, other one I do not know.
Service wise all clubs are much better in NRW than any other places I went. I got good DFK include good sessions just for 50 sometimes, when I did one hour not much changed in service, just longer.
Living room is not my thing, but I began to get fever by the time I got to living room, and day before, so I was not active at all. Still the service was good there, really good, I went with krina or something like that there, Romanian blond with sister.
I bumped into really nice guy, but for his privacy I hide his online name as he is on this forum, it was first time I met anyone and it was good memory.
Haha Artemis guys like me like just stunner type and do not mind sharkiness, so I for instance really like LU at palace, I always found good stunner there at palace, yes it is gladiator type sharky clubs, but I can always talk and negotiate and it is fine at palace, but forget going just 30 min and get good sessions at palace in general, it happened few times, but usually 50 euro at palace is not good result LOL.
I wonder how Artemis is now as this was first time I did not fly into Berlin, last time was horrible LU at Artemis.
I tend to like shaky club for stunners LU like Artemis, palace and in NRW oceans.
FKK oceans has stunner, and service is below other NRW club I went, but I did get good sessions out, but I went one hour and they did mention one hour for good service, no upsell for prices though. Sessions were good, but oceans were more sharky club than others in NRW I thought with stunner level more to my taste, just 2 or 3 stunner in about 50 girls there at peak time.
I guess Artemis guys has similar taste, but I really liked GT, but since I got sick there quick, I have to say it really is summer club and it is rather busy clubs where you got to fight for stunners.
She was hot, best looking chick at Oceans. I'm pretty confident that she is objectively a smokin hot babe.There is another polish one that is also model type hot, but she is shark, but no upsell in price, but wanted go for one hour. I do not know her name though.
I like the set up of oceans, with GT I got bit sick after first day as I was smoking legally tolerated green thing venlo harvest outside on sofa, even with blanket, I caught mild fever that got worst as days went on and I could not do many sessions due to slight cold. I just got better few days ago.
But man, NRW do have better service as standard.
I thought about what is it with me and more shark clubs. , well this is my conclusion, more shark the club is more quality of stunners to my taste of beauty.
I do not know how accurate is my finding, but it tend to be that way. All the best looking stunner I found was always in palace, Artemis, oceans, you know more shark club, but again I only got 6 or 7 years of FKK experience.
Hmmm. I hear Hamburg FKK is good, there are many stunners there? Are they either Hungarian or German stunners there?
I like German and Hungarian and polish.
Why do yall Atemis guys have the same damn taste in clubs? The sharky ones. It's like when other clubs become sharkier, yall sniff it out and head for them. LOL.Perhaps my fortune in life will lie in starting up a go-pro camera for use in brothels company. That way guys like you will realize upsells are not that bad in clubs like artemis and oceans either. You just got to get to know the places and how to navigate.
But personally I have a feeling the differences in clubs are not as big as some say. GT reviews here on the forum was all about low upsells. Then I check it out, and I see more upsells there than at Palace 2 years ago. Fishy I'd say. I think the initial rooms in new clubs are luck based. Afterwards you will get some points by the girls because they think you might become a regular, and maybe in average give you better service... just a theory...
Mr.Ho: Good to hear Eleny Grande has been making money singing some karaoke microphones lately. She does have talent, and maybe also alternative career opportunity. There is more than just good optics there. :)
Perhaps my fortune in life will lie in starting up a go-pro camera for use in brothels company. That way guys like you will realize upsells are not that bad in clubs like artemis and oceans either. You just got to get to know the places and how to navigate.
But personally I have a feeling the differences in clubs are not as big as some say. GT reviews here on the forum was all about low upsells. Then I check it out, and I see more upsells there than at Palace 2 years ago. Fishy I'd say. I think the initial rooms in new clubs are luck based. Afterwards you will get some points by the girls because they think you might become a regular, and maybe in average give you better service... just a theory...
Mr.Ho: Good to hear Eleny Grande has been making money singing some karaoke microphones lately. She does have talent, and maybe also alternative career opportunity. There is more than just good optics there. :)Yeah she was good performer too, and nice person to be with in room.
In GT some Bulgarians I am sorry I don't know the name who try to go wither one hour or 70 euro for 30 min, I told her 60 euro Artemis price and she did DFK and provided good sessions, so there still are upsell, but not like palace LOL.
I have to say though, like you I do not mind upsell as long as it is reasonable amount with reasonable return, but usually upsell is like let go for one hour standard price in most clubs. Just palace is bit different and got to be ready as gladiator to negotiate LOL.
Well I did like GT and at least to me, they were not racist at all, but I found these polish cleaning guys at GT annoying, not all, but some, like when you get out of outside cabin rooms, they are almost right outside giggling etc. I smiled at them and told them I am done with your nations beauty, you may clean now thank you as I walk pass them LOL I hope they spoke English, but other than that these guys were alright and even some are nice. I did not find GT racist and I found one Indian guy who is almost really dark as African people there, so there are some who get in.
I have to say though, like you I do not mind upsell as long as it is reasonable amount with reasonable return, but usually upsell is like let go for one hour standard price in most clubs. Just palace is bit different and got to be ready as gladiator to negotiate LOL.But where does this come from? I never buy upsells unless I take charge asking for it myself (1 h, CIM etc). I allways cut them short after like 3 sec if they start with 'do you know the price?' Etc. I go 'shhhhhhhhhhhh.....!'
. All the best looking stunner I found was always in palace, Artemis, oceans, you know more shark club, Sharks, but no shark in the tank. Only small shark souvenirs for bring back Japan. Sharks wuzz and not strong glass!
By the way, Oase has a few stunners too. And occationally you find one at sharks too, like Alexia. Too bad she is not too often there. I think she alternates between sharks and gt vienna. I think PL may put Paradise Stuttgart in the same bracket. But Babylon Hamburg is rumored to have the highest upsell in germany. So maybe worth a visit? LOL.
Those polish cleaning guys gotta hate their jobs. You can see it in their eyes sometimes. Its like a hangman half way done.
Hessen Bub
02-23-17, 20:24
Hmmm. I hear Hamburg FKK is good, there are many stunners there? Are they either Hungarian or German stunners there?Best place for German stunners. Hamburg. Reeperbahn. Babylon. Atmos. Romeo. Waiting for your report.
HB.
PussyLiccker
02-23-17, 20:43
Perhaps my fortune in life will lie in starting up a go-pro camera for use in brothels company. Not necessary, a play by play that TC does well is good.
His reports are like VR.
PussyLiccker
02-23-17, 20:45
Well, I could write all the names, but I do not remember many and what good does it do LOL.
You must have stopped by Venlo. LOL.
You must have stopped by Venlo. LOL.Yeah I did buddy I am proud member of Nobody's place in Venlo LOL Nice staff in that place, I had a nice chat with them, real nice guy.
I am spaced out of my head in club, so it is hard to remember some names, but those I repeated, which are few, I remember, one was Eleny as I discussed, other was kitty, other was some polish model type, but rest I just went once and I really do not care much what their FKK names are, but those I repeat I remember because I may repeat again when I go next time.
Kitty is very very good service, Eleny good service, polish girl so so service, but for all of them no up sell, but polish one asked to go for one hour for 100 euro or 30 min for 70 euro, I do not call this up sell to my standard just pressuring to go one hour, all I said was if I go for one hour would you give me good service? She did so so in NRW service level, but good enough.
In general, rumor that services in NRW are good is really true, I experienced it with my body LOL as for racism rumor, not for Asians at all, but for toned guys, hmmm again I did see one gentleman from India, who is very dark in GT and also one Singh guy but light toned Indian actually in GT, rest were mostly dutch, some Asians, Germans clients in GT, receptionists are nice, cleaning guys are mostly nice, but some are cheeky, I mean it is first time I saw young men working in FKK as cleaning guys, usually in other German clubs I went it is older women working in FKK as cleaning ladies.
Sharks, but no shark in the tank. Only small shark souvenirs for bring back Japan. Sharks wuzz and not strong glass!
By the way, Oase has a few stunners too. And occationally you find one at sharks too, like Alexia. Too bad she is not too often there. I think she alternates between sharks and gt vienna. I think PL may put Paradise Stuttgart in the same bracket. But Babylon Hamburg is rumored to have the highest upsell in Germany. So maybe worth a visit? LOL.
Those polish cleaning guys gotta hate their jobs. You can see it in their eyes sometimes. Its like a hangman half way done.Yeah I hear about Hamburg club and now I am interested.
Oddly enough, whether they tell me the truth or not, most German girls I considered as highest stunners, most of them tell me they are from Hamburg. So if that is true, then Hamburg has some hot girls there. I met them in Frankfurt or Berlin FKK though.
Yeah, Oase I only went one time, but I found this model type Hungarian rather cafe au lait skinned girl, 170 cm, black or dark brunette hair pony tailed, who I even think she was not Hungarian, but she was so hot and beautiful, though she was shark as hell and one shark that was hard to bring out good service, so I just decided to fuck her hard doggy and cum, she did kiss with tongue, but it was somehow reserved session and I paid 120 euro, so 20 euro more. That was actually worst session for me in my all FKK experience as I usually get more out of one hour session, but it is not so much about cost performance, but she was beauty. I do not remember her name though.
So far I like palace and Artemis the best and oceans.
Oceans LU is real terrible till 6 PM I must say though, like real terrible, but after 6 pm you get real stunner there, but just 2 or 3. As for Turkish clients, it was not that many as described in forum even after 9 pm.
I like more shakier club and my theory that I just came up lately of more shakier the club is more quality of stunner in LU may make sense as those girls who are real hot knows they can earn more or they think they deserve more money, so they go and work in more sharky club.
Again I do not mind upsell as long as I get what I want, but not like give me 200 euro for one hour kinda thing, but if it is like 120 to 150 euro I do not mind too much, but I expect and secure return good service. As for going one hour I also do not mind as long as I get good service and most of time I do and sometimes, magic happen when I agree to go for one hour.
I mean you cannot expect real stunner level girl to do acrobatic things in room for just 50 euro, some forum members not us says they do this for just 50 euro etc, but look, I got lucky sometimes, I just wanted go for short session so just go for 50 or 60 euro and it turned out I got good DFK with good session without negotiating and just for standard 30 minutes price, but I can count that in my two hand in 6 years of going to FKK, that is very rare, so I do not mind reasonable upsell in return of service.
I was just reading recent Palace forum. I think some guys take these prostitutes and FKK girls too seriously LOL.
I goto FKK and fuck prostitutes as I can get rid of them after fucking until I decide to hire her for some sexual experiences, but some of these guys at Palace thread are talking about feeling, passion, blood, man! I go to prostitutes to not get involve in drama, but these guys bring in drama with prostitutes?
I remember once at Artemis, two clients got into mild fight over one prostitutes as one guy is going with her as regular, other guy too and they got jealous with each other and got into shouting battle, which the girl who was the heart slob for these two guys told me later that when she go to room with other guy especially one of the two, another guy get really angry and jealous. I mean.
I remember once at Artemis, two clients got into mild fight over one prostitutes as one guy is going with her as regular, other guy too and they got jealous with each other and got into shouting battle, which the girl who was the heart slob for these two guys told me later that when she go to room with other guy especially one of the two, another guy get really angry and jealous. I mean.It's ridiculous and stupid to be getting into fights over the tutes! This is what these girls do for a living. Fuck lots and lots of men! If you can't deal with it, then don't go and get involved in this "hobby". I actually get kind of turned on seeing other men "pick up" a favorite, like Lilia over at Artemis. Like I said in that thread, shows you're on to something good LOL! I like to keep it real, and like girls who will too. Like I wrote about Amelia who was at Palace. Girl told me (while we were engaged in the act of fucking) that she was going to receive a lot of sperm that night, but that my sperm would be the first of the evening LOLOLOL! Everybody is fucking these girls people! So either get with the program, or get out of this hobby haha!
Best place for German stunners. Hamburg. Reeperbahn. Babylon. Atmos. Romeo. Waiting for your report.
HB.So Mr HB, now I got to go to Hamburg before July LOL.
PussyLiccker
02-24-17, 11:27
What a coincidence MrHo. I also met Kitty at GT who claimed Hun and she does hang out with the Huns. I would agree on her service being very very good. LOL.
What a coincidence MrHo. I also met Kitty at GT who claimed Hun and she does hang out with the Huns. I would agree on her service being very very good. LOL.Yeah she is hard to miss, I also believe she is Hun and one other thing I noticed with NRW is that ro will say they are Ro, not Spanish or Italian LOL.
And ro in Nrw provide good service unlike in Berlin or Frankfurt. I wonder why this is. It must be NRW LOL.
Kitty hang with Barbie, I also went to room with Barbie, I prefered kitty over barbie, barbie is ok.
Again I do not mind upsell as long as I get what I want, but not like give me 200 euro for one hour kinda thing, but if it is like 120 to 150 euro I do not mind too much, but I expect and secure return good service. As for going one hour I also do not mind as long as I get good service and most of time I do and sometimes, magic happen when I agree to go for one hour.
I mean you cannot expect real stunner level girl to do acrobatic things in room for just 50 euro, some forum members not us says they do this for just 50 euro etc, but look, I got lucky sometimes, I just wanted go for short session so just go for 50 or 60 euro and it turned out I got good DFK with good session without negotiating and just for standard 30 minutes price, but I can count that in my two hand in 6 years of going to FKK, that is very rare, so I do not mind reasonable upsell in return of service.I only tip on the 30 min sessions. I feel the 1 h is a tip itself as it never is twice as good as the 30 min even if the girls add every other extra in the book. And they still need to shower after each session, so another 10 min is taken from their time on both a 30 min and 1 h session.
If the 30 min session sucks and she tries to upsell, I sometimes don't give tip. 5 or 10 e if it is a good session, and I return to her later (keeping her on my list). Unless I am out of money and want to avoid local FKK scam ATM.
But I have had some very acrobatic stuff for 50 euro... Crina at Palace rings a bell... but where did she go? Fly by night, or did I get her name wrong? :/
Or Mandy, Sharks, Luci, Palace. Carly Oceans (fbn). Suna Artemis. Just some of the wildest I've had last 12 months... other girls may be better with gfe, so don't read it as a best list. Wild is not best in every case...
PussyLiccker
02-24-17, 16:46
Yeah she is hard to miss, I also believe she is Hun and one other thing I noticed with NRW is that ro will say they are Ro, not Spanish or Italian LOL.
And ro in Nrw provide good service unlike in Berlin or Frankfurt. I wonder why this is. It must be NRW LOL.
Kitty hang with Barbie, I also went to room with Barbie, I prefered kitty over barbie, barbie is ok.That's why when you say Ro give bad service I assumed it's more club specific than anything else. Because Ro are everywhere and Romies at LR providing service level much better and higher in general than some bad reputed clubs, there must be a reason.
Actually, my first time in NRW, back when I had really liked Aca, Samya, and PHG, I started to like Ro in the NRW back then.
If you meet all kinds you realize there are different types, and to me they tend to vary much depending on club culture, envirements, managements.
There are really cool, friendly, and very nice ones to amaze you.
To be honest, I'd like to see much greater population of Bulgarians. My stats show, they are pretty reliable. I think it partially has to do with them being minorities in clubs.
It's ridiculous and stupid to be getting into fights over the tutes! This is what these girls do for a living. Fuck lots and lots of men! If you can't deal with it, then don't go and get involved in this "hobby". I actually get kind of turned on seeing other men "pick up" a favorite, like Lilia over at Artemis. Like I said in that thread, shows you're on to something good LOL! I like to keep it real, and like girls who will too. Like I wrote about Amelia who was at Palace. Girl told me (while we were engaged in the act of fucking) that she was going to receive a lot of sperm that night, but that my sperm would be the first of the evening LOLOLOL! Everybody is fucking these girls people! So either get with the program, or get out of this hobby haha! Agreed. Some customers do some weird things (to my mind). One customer currently pays a girl to stay in a room for the day while he pops in and out to her, also spending time in the sauna or chatting with the girl's friends. It's his way of securing exclusive rights over the girl while he is there. Nearly as weird as the girl who doesn't want her customer to go with another girl in case he talks about her.
Mr Ho I know I repeat myself, but, contrary to some members, I still expect DFK and DATY to be included for 50 euros. Admittedly it is getting harder but it is still the norm in my experience. I see it as an indication that the girl treats her customers with respect and is also a good businessman (aiming to get repeats).
In case anyone says I am a cheapskate: most of my sessions after the initial one are several hours long.
That's why when you say Ro give bad service I assumed it's more club specific than anything else. Because Ro are everywhere and Romies at LR providing service level much better and higher in general than some bad reputed clubs, there must be a reason.
Actually, my first time in NRW, back when I had really liked Aca, Samya, and PHG, I started to like Ro in the NRW back then.
If you meet all kinds you realize there are different types, and to me they tend to vary much depending on club culture, envirements, managements.
There are really cool, friendly, and very nice ones to amaze you.
To be honest, I'd like to see much greater population of Bulgarians. My stats show, they are pretty reliable. I think it partially has to do with them being minorities in clubs.Yeah, RO in NRW are really different though, gives good service even for 50 euro sometimes, tells you they are from RO and not somewhere else etc. But it is not like so in Berlin and Frankfurt in general, they are nice, but service are limited and they claim to be Italian or Spanish who speak Romanian LOL.
I do not consider it as tip, but I consider it as kind of like re-negotiation of upper service because I have been to FKK for 6 years or 7 years and it happens, but it is rare to get really good service for 30 min standard price session, so I do not mind going for one hour. Sometimes, girls ask me for 150 euro for one hour, I ask for cum two times kind of things, so they got to go wild.
I got to say it is each to different FKK, but NRW region has really different service level in the places that I went, even oceans, if you go for one hour, they actually suck your dick for like 30 to 40 minutes straight non stop. I was worry for their jaws LOL.
Mr Ho I know I repeat myself, but, contrary to some members, I still expect DFK and DATY to be included for 50 euros. Admittedly it is getting harder but it is still the norm in my experience. I see it as an indication that the girl treats her customers with respect and is also a good businessman (aiming to get repeats).
In case anyone says I am a cheapskate: most of my sessions after the initial one are several hours long.DATY is included, but for DFK for standard 30 min 50 or 60 euro in Artemis session is really depend because it is rather rare, you do not get that every time, I got lucky before just going 30 min session as I wanted taste her not going long or do a lot with her, but she turned out to be wild with DFK, but I have to say it is quite rare.
So knowing so, I go more for what I want to do than price, but please note that it is not like me paying double LOL, just bit more like 120 euro for one hour session or in Artemis sometimes I go for 140 as it usually is 120. But mostly I just negotiate based on I will go for one hour, so it won't be non business for girls.
But be careful because I know girls begin to avoid only 30 minutes standard price clients after while and they talk to each others how we are and how we pay LOL quite many girls told me so LOL.
It's ridiculous and stupid to be getting into fights over the tutes! This is what these girls do for a living. Fuck lots and lots of men! If you can't deal with it, then don't go and get involved in this "hobby". I actually get kind of turned on seeing other men "pick up" a favorite, like Lilia over at Artemis. Like I said in that thread, shows you're on to something good LOL! I like to keep it real, and like girls who will too. Like I wrote about Amelia who was at Palace. Girl told me (while we were engaged in the act of fucking) that she was going to receive a lot of sperm that night, but that my sperm would be the first of the evening LOLOLOL! Everybody is fucking these girls people! So either get with the program, or get out of this hobby haha!These girls fuck around 1000 different penis per year or minimum 500 penis per year, so I do not get what some mongers trying to do with exclusivity or fight over the girl, but I heard or even seen similar story here and there in different FKK.
However, I usually like finding girl who just got back from long holiday, they tend to be hornier, or I also love finding girl who just join industry because some monger says these girls do not know how to fuck, but they also don't know what they are doing yet, so I tend to get really dirty good session on my side with these fresh girl to industry. Each time management showing the girl around FKK, I kinda follow and get her right away after she got her first show around, session is priceless LOL.
PussyLiccker
02-25-17, 21:36
And from talking to the girls, many high performers seems to have worked at clubs in austria and/or switzerland... So perhaps there is a fkk shaolin training groung somewhere high up there in the mountains. Like a Shangri-la for female pandas...A Ro girl high service I was with told me worked prior in the streets of Italy. First time I heard this.
Of course this can mean when the girl says, this is my first time working in Germany, and think wow she is new, but hold up. She is new to De, but not to the game. They may have worked in Spain, Italy, Aus, or Swiss.
Or when they say they are from Spain or Italy. They are really from there as they worked there, but really Ro. LOL.
For Pistons, perhaps the Sharing-la or Shaolin for female pandas(Ro working girls) is the streets of Italy. To master high level WG skills at a quick pace.
I know Kung Fu!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiVcPQJLk2A
Solo Traveler
02-26-17, 01:23
I noticed that women become more sexy when wearing high heels.
Many times, I see a woman with mediocre body, but after she takes off her high heels, she becomes shorter and fatter than what I just saw few seconds ago.
Especially the belly / stomach of women. When they are in high heels, you cannot see the fat on the stomach, but after they take off their high heels, the fat can be obviously seen.
I did some research, and information shows that high heels can the power to make women look more sexy due to some aesthetic reasons.
Therefore, clubs should ban women from wearing high heels, in my opinion. LOL.
A Ro girl high service I was with told me worked prior in the streets of Italy. First time I heard this.
Of course this can mean when the girl says, this is my first time working in Germany, and think wow she is new, but hold up. She is new to De, but not to the game. They may have worked in Spain, Italy, Aus, or Swiss.
Or when they say they are from Spain or Italy. They are really from there as they worked there, but really Ro. LOL.
For Pistons, perhaps the Sharing-la or Shaolin for female pandas(Ro working girls) is the streets of Italy. To master high level WG skills at a quick pace.
I know Kung Fu!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiVcPQJLk2AIt cannot be divided by race, I know, but in 6 or 7 years of FKK experience, statistically, I tend to get good service the most by Hungarians, then also from eastern block Bulgarians are also good service provider statistically.
Germans, when you pay, they are good.
Jimmy Boy 99
02-26-17, 03:28
I noticed that women become more sexy when wearing high heels.
Many times, I see a woman with mediocre body, but after she takes off her high heels, she becomes shorter and fatter than what I just saw few seconds ago.
Especially the belly / stomach of women. When they are in high heels, you cannot see the fat on the stomach, but after they take off their high heels, the fat can be obviously seen.
I did some research, and information shows that high heels can the power to make women look more sexy due to some aesthetic reasons.
Therefore, clubs should ban women from wearing high heels, in my opinion. LOL.Better to just have her keep her heels on.
I noticed that women become more sexy when wearing high heels.
Many times, I see a woman with mediocre body, but after she takes off her high heels, she becomes shorter and fatter than what I just saw few seconds ago.
Especially the belly / stomach of women. When they are in high heels, you cannot see the fat on the stomach, but after they take off their high heels, the fat can be obviously seen.
I did some research, and information shows that high heels can the power to make women look more sexy due to some aesthetic reasons.
Therefore, clubs should ban women from wearing high heels, in my opinion. LOL.FKK culture supposed to be nude, so I think only thing girls is allowed to wear should be same sandals as us or maybe beach sandals LOL.
This way they cannot hide their body shape with high heels LOL.
Plus they should rent out flash light for male clients, so we can examine their face properly in dark main bar LOL.
Solo Traveler
02-26-17, 04:23
Or when they say they are from Spain or Italy. They are really from there as they worked there, but really Ro. LOL.True.
One time at Sharks, one Romanian working woman told me she's from Japan. What she meant was that her last working location was in Japan.
And she probably told me that excitedly, because I am East Asian and she thought I am Japanese.
LOL!
As you all know, I really like women's butts. There were a couple of girls who I wanted to nut on their butts, but they would not allow this. I finally asked one of them why in the world do girls allow you to cum in their mouth / lips or on their titties, but not on their butts? What gives? Well, she explained to me that women often don't want a monger to cum on their butts because he might get some sperm inside of their pussy. I was like, "Well not if he knows what he's doing!" Which I do hehehe! Tute still didn't let me stating (heavy Romanian accent), "I don't want you to cum in my ass area" LOLOLOL!
PussyLiccker
02-26-17, 10:06
I noticed that women become more sexy when wearing high heels.
Many times, I see a woman with mediocre body, but after she takes off her high heels, she becomes shorter and fatter than what I just saw few seconds ago.
Especially the belly / stomach of women. When they are in high heels, you cannot see the fat on the stomach, but after they take off their high heels, the fat can be obviously seen.
I did some research, and information shows that high heels can the power to make women look more sexy due to some aesthetic reasons.
Therefore, clubs should ban women from wearing high heels, in my opinion. LOL.Yeah, it changes how the body is oriented. Pushes the buttocks back, pushes the chest forward, pushes the pelvis inward, gives a slimmer sexier appearance. Also, longer legs and tall appearance. Changes the walk as well. Yeah, it accentuates a woman's appearance, enhances their look.
And you are right, once in the room, take off their hooker shoes, their appearance changes somewhat from when walking around in them out on the floor. The real obvious one is how the height of the shorter girls drastically changes due to the shoes lifting their body up to make them look taller.
Hookers shoes are used for a reason. I've run into so many girls have complained about the shoes causing footpain and uncomfort, but it creates the enhanced appearance, and appearance is important in their line of work. Selling their bodies means marketing it well.
Yeah, it changes how the body is oriented. Pushes the buttocks back, pushes the chest forward, pushes the pelvis inward, gives a slimmer sexier appearance. Also, longer legs and tall appearance. Changes the walk as well. Yeah, it accentuates a woman's appearance, enhances their look. Hookers shoes are used for a reason. I've run into so many girls have complained about the shoes causing footpain and uncomfort, but it creates the enhanced appearance, and appearance is important in their line of work. Selling their bodies means marketing it well.Maybe this is why Palace Gina wears those high platform shoes now, all as a part of transforming her look. She never, ever used to do that! I told her how the last time I saw her (before the operations), she was walking around the club barefoot and completely naked (except for this shiny little chain it looked like which she had around her waist). She herself didn't seem to recall doing that (walking around barefoot). But she did. And I liked it. Primitive and raw. And natural!
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