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German authorities are now smarter. In Bavaria and Munich only the girls get a fine. So impossible for a blackmail. Now only the guys get a fine and up to 50 k euro! Hmm looks different?Well, this goes to a point I've made before. Since only the monger is to be fined for taking advantage of "poor prostitutes" in this way, what basis do the tutes really have (other than greed) to charge extra all of a sudden for a BBBJ? The answer is that they don't have one. The assumption of the risk is on the monger. Following this through logically then, prices in Bavaria should actually go down by 50 euros since the risk of fines for BBBJs will shift from the tutes to the monger!
Hessen Bub
04-12-17, 07:22
It is all hype that we created and legally BBBJ is not included. It is like this here in Japan. Sexual intercourse service is illegal and BBBJ is legal as BBBJ is not sexual intercourse legally.Who cares about Japan? The new law, as Craiova repeated for you again, says you have to use a condom for oral, vaginal and anal sex. Period.
HB.
German authorities are now smarter. In Bavaria and Munich only the girls get a fine. So impossible for a blackmail. Now only the guys get a fine and up to 50 k euro! Hmm looks different?How can a prostitute prove she gave you a BBBJ in a closed room? How can she blackmail you then? I think most of FKK WGs just want to get business, and they won t go to desk to complain about BBBJ which is forbidden to provide by future law.
German authorities are now smarter. In Bavaria and Munich only the girls get a fine. So impossible for a blackmail. Now only the guys get a fine and up to 50 k euro! Hmm looks different?50000 Euro could get you helluva a lot of BBBJ CIM session now LOL.
Solo Traveler
04-12-17, 12:55
Will these under cover german police women do anal and can I call them pig dirty police scum?I have an idea for a new type of porn: The FKK Gestapo.
Those sexy female police officers will disguise as working girls, performing BBBJ and CIM to men in clubs, and after men are stupid enough to cum in their mouth, they have all the crime evidence in their mouth and some big male police officers rush into the room and take the men to jail.
Brilliant plot!
Solo Traveler
04-12-17, 13:18
Who cares about Japan? The new law, as Craiova repeated for you again, says you have to use a condom for oral, vaginal and anal sex. Period. HB.If this law comes from a pure purpose of preventing STDs, then I would say this is indeed a progressive move for Germany.
If Germany truly want to be the world's NO. 1 sex land (Deutsexland, LOL), even surpasses Brazil or Thailand, next step, Germans should legalize the content of standard service in Germany.
The German Sex Law.
All sexual service provided in the land of Deutschland should follow this law, or the providers and customers shall be fined or jailed.
1. In a 50-Euro 30-minute session, all service below shall be provided.
(1.) DFK.
(2.) DATY.
(3.) Covered BJ.
(4.) Covered Sex.
And so on.
Things like this. LOL.
How can a prostitute prove she gave you a BBBJ in a closed room? How can she blackmail you then? I think most of FKK WGs just want to get business, and they won t go to desk to complain about BBBJ which is forbidden to provide by future law.WGs want most money and temptation is there. And they don't need to proof this or even win a case. Only they say I get this more otherwise? Enough guys afraid enough to give her more money.
Very simple question: Wow many of you would go to this FKK club tomorrow, best line up ever, happy hour entry only 30 euro, free beer included only a small disadvantage police bothers you only 5 minutes for a survey with your name and address? That mean you know there is a raid in club and they take your name and still you go to this club?
I don't mean these hardcore clubber or single, divorced or even sexuell open relationship, no I mean the large majority of clubbers married or in relationship where girlfriend knows nothing about his hobby.
Ofc the clubs will work against this otherwise they lose their business. But look on these bars in RLD, you think they have an honest business model? Most of theses bars I would never ever put a foot into, maybe exception Palladium, the rest are tourist traps. OK the FKK clubs we discuss here work on a respectable business model and were with this very successful and I or HB have told you 100 times Germam FKK are really safe and trustworthy places for best sex in world. Ofc they will continiue on this way nevertheless black sheeps have always excisted and will be in future too and the WGs no one knows one who hasn't cheatted? With time? With service? With money? So far.
Fact is from July 1st if I go with a new girl in room and she agrees to BBBJ say as deal 1 hour plus CIM you get 150 as we do I still have in mind maybe she get second thoughts. Sorry I don't think that German P6 world will be the same after July 1st!
PussyLiccker
04-12-17, 18:53
If this law comes from a pure purpose of preventing STDs, then I would say this is indeed a progressive move for Germany.
If Germany truly want to be the world's NO. 1 sex land (Deutsexland, LOL), even surpasses Brazil or Thailand, next step, Germans should legalize the content of standard service in Germany.
The German Sex Law.
All sexual service provided in the land of Deutschland should follow this law, or the providers and customers shall be fined or jailed.
1. In a 50-Euro 30-minute session, all service below shall be provided.
(1.) DFK.
(2.) DATY.
(3.) Covered BJ.
(4.) Covered Sex.
And so on.
Things like this. LOL.Some changes.
Please put "passionate and enthusiastic" Infront of DFK.
Also, "Un" Infront of Covered BJ.
Thank you, and make it happen.
Will approve the draft after the changes.
Thank you,
PL.
WGs want most money and temptation is there. And they don't need to proof this or even win a case. Only they say I get this more otherwise? Enough guys afraid enough to give her more money.
Very simple question: Wow many of you would go to this FKK club tomorrow, best line up ever, happy hour entry only 30 euro, free beer included only a small disadvantage police bothers you only 5 minutes for a survey with your name and address? That mean you know there is a raid in club and they take your name and still you go to this club?
I don't mean these hardcore clubber or single, divorced or even sexuell open relationship, no I mean the large majority of clubbers married or in relationship where girlfriend knows nothing about his hobby.
Ofc the clubs will work against this otherwise they lose their business. But look on these bars in RLD, you think they have an honest business model? Most of theses bars I would never ever put a foot into, maybe exception Palladium, the rest are tourist traps..I won't be afraid at all about WGs blackmail because I m pretty sure they won't even try with me and with most of us, just because it wouldn't be good for their business. Imagine, I name on this forum a WG who tried to blackmail me, what will do my too many readers? Will they run to her, even she is the prettiest. I wouldn't care if I read this.
About Police, is sex in brothels legal or not? Then I don't care about them. I had to explain to them European rights about driving licence and car.
On the other hand, when I had real life girlfriend, she was better for me than the prettiest and most GFE prostitute in a brothel. Many of my regulars say I should find a new one, but they are surprised when I answer: then I will never come again.
Sebastiane
04-12-17, 22:19
Do you guys think there will be a large exodus to Austrian and Swiss clubs as a result of this new law or do you think that things will stay more or less.
The same after perhaps an initial few weeks as people get used to the new rules?
I personally think the latter will happen and for once agree with Sirioja that it is not in the girls interest to 'tell' on customers; however I do think that BBBJ will probably become an extra; after all AO is already illegal in most clubs but people get offered it all the time.
What do you think?
Who cares about Japan? The new law, as Craiova repeated for you again, says you have to use a condom for oral, vaginal and anal sex. Period.
HB.Japan is not a feminist communist county like Germany. I cannot believe the tripe the comes out of European people's mouths. They are completely brainwashed.
Smoke Light
04-12-17, 23:26
If man jerks off and finishes into girl's mouth -- no penis contact with mouth -- is this oral sex?
Member #4581
04-13-17, 00:14
Japan is not a feminist communist county like Germany. I cannot believe the tripe the comes out of European people's mouths. They are completely brainwashed.Great. Go to the FKKs in Japan then. I hear great things about them.
If you have the right facial features and skin color, that is.
Oops.
Member #4581
04-13-17, 00:21
Well, this goes to a point I've made before. Since only the monger is to be fined for taking advantage of "poor prostitutes" in this way, what basis do the tutes really have (other than greed) to charge extra all of a sudden for a BBBJ? The answer is that they don't have one. !They may (charge extra) because they can.
What more basis do they need?
They have something men need (BBBJ) and they need money, and it makes perfect sense from their perspective that they will charge more for it. They couldn't all this time hitherto, because clubs made the rule, henceforth they don't need to give it away.
I have no idea if they will charge extra or not, but I will not be surprised whatsoever.
Sebastiane
04-13-17, 01:27
Japan is not a feminist communist county like Germany.Er, Germany is not a Communist country. That would be China and North Korea!
Great. Go to the FKKs in Japan then. I hear great things about them.
If you have the right facial features and skin color, that is.
Oops.It is common knowledge that west Europe is feminist. It is over for is mongers. No different to America.
The women in Germany wear the pants so to speak. That is why they won't work in FKK. They think they are too good for this important and essential work. I have many fond memories of FKK. So if it ends. It ends. I think the business model will fail. There is no point in FKK without BBBJ.
The Romanian girls are not going anywhere. Next will be Ukraine. Good times ahead for all mongers. Personally I got lazy and lost my hunting skills due to the ease of FKK club. LOL.
It is common knowledge that west Europe is feminist. It is over for is mongers. No different to America.
The women in Germany wear the pants so to speak. That is why they won't work in FKK. They think they are too good for this important and essential work. I have many fond memories of FKK. So if it ends. It ends. I think the business model will fail. There is no point in FKK without BBBJ.
The Romanian girls are not going anywhere. Next will be Ukraine. Good times ahead for all mongers. Personally I got lazy and lost my hunting skills due to the ease of FKK club. LOL.Oh Ukrainian girls are among the real best! I want them ASAP in FKK like Romanian amounts bitte!
And for all you anal lovers, Ukrainian girls take it up their ass, so it is good nationalities to dominate FKK!
Question is when?
It is common knowledge that west Europe is feminist. It is over for is mongers. No different to America.
The women in Germany wear the pants so to speak. That is why they won't work in FKK. They think they are too good for this important and essential work. I have many fond memories of FKK. So if it ends. It ends. I think the business model will fail. There is no point in FKK without BBBJ.
The Romanian girls are not going anywhere. Next will be Ukraine. Good times ahead for all mongers. Personally I got lazy and lost my hunting skills due to the ease of FKK club. LOL.More like hypocrite, I mean German is being tolerant toward immigration because of Nazi past, their core ideologies still exist strongly in Germany.
Solo Traveler
04-13-17, 04:58
Guys,
It is not the end of the world.
Compared to our homelands, most of which are prisons for abstinence training, is it really that bad just to turn BBBJ into CBJ? (Assuming everything else being unchanged).
Girls in Hesse charging extra for DFK and GFE is a more severe problem. And clubs just don't care.
Hessen Bub
04-13-17, 06:55
Japan is not a feminist communist county like Germany. I cannot believe the tripe the comes out of European people's mouths. They are completely brainwashed.Whatever. The German law is the German law and that is all I was stating here. What is legal or not in Japan doesn't matter here. So if you prefer Japanese laws, go visit Japan.
HB.
Do you guys think there will be a large exodus to Austrian and Swiss clubs as a result of this new law or do you think that things will stay more or less.
The same after perhaps an initial few weeks as people get used to the new rules?
I personally think the latter will happen and for once agree with Sirioja that it is not in the girls interest to 'tell' on customers; however I do think that BBBJ will probably become an extra; after all AO is already illegal in most clubs but people get offered it all the time.
What do you think?There will be increase in sexual crime in Germany after July due to mass desire for BBBJ by those who cannot get any LOL.
It is common knowledge that west Europe is feminist. It is over for is mongers. No different to America.
The women in Germany wear the pants so to speak. That is why they won't work in FKK. They think they are too good for this important and essential work. I have many fond memories of FKK. So if it ends. It ends. I think the business model will fail. There is no point in FKK without BBBJ.
The Romanian girls are not going anywhere. Next will be Ukraine. Good times ahead for all mongers. Personally I got lazy and lost my hunting skills due to the ease of FKK club. LOL.I agree with this German new law to try to protect these women health, also not anymore sleeping where they are fucked. After 1 July, each one his job to get with girls.
How do you guys deal with saying no to approaches? I usually say I've just had a session and I'm relaxing or I just got here and I'm having a look around. I feel kinda bad doing it especially when a girl approaches you multiple times and then looks kinda downcast for the rest of the evening. I know there's a limit to what a guy can do in one night haha but it kinda bugged me after my last trip.
Wolvenvacht
04-13-17, 09:41
The law clearly mentioned condom use during sexual intercourse.
Look at legal definition of sexual intercourse.
Sexual intercourse, or coitus or copulation, is principally the insertion and thrusting of the penis, usually when erect, into the vagina for sexual pleasure, reproduction, or both.
There for BBBJ do not count as sexual intercourse legally because it is into mouth and not vagina.
It is all hype that we created and legally BBBJ is not included. It is like this here in Japan. Sexual intercourse service is illegal and BBBJ is legal as BBBJ is not sexual intercourse legally.Mr. Ho, as usual you speak without knowledge.
There is not the least doubt under the German law that blowjobs are included in the ban on unprotected sex.
Mr. Ho, as usual you speak without knowledge.
There is not the least doubt under the German law that blowjobs are included in the ban on unprotected sex.Read the law translation, you speak without source LOL.
It does not say sex, it uses word sexual intercourse. At least the translation I read way below.
Use of word in law is very important to decide the coverage and extent of the law.
Er, Germany is not a Communist country. That would be China and North Korea!I went to China many times for holiday, it sure did not look like a communist LOL.
North Korea, I almost went for marathon, but I noticed I will be put on watch list by popo here, so I did not LOL.
Whatever. The German law is the German law and that is all I was stating here. What is legal or not in Japan doesn't matter here. So if you prefer Japanese laws, go visit Japan.
HB.LOL I don't like Japanese.
Solo Traveler
04-13-17, 14:33
If man jerks off and finishes into girl's mouth -- no penis contact with mouth -- is this oral sex?If man has covered vaginal sex, cum in the condom, but secretly put the sperm into the girl's coke from the condom, and the girl drinks it with joy, is this oral sex?
Will FKK Gestapo examine girls' mouth after each session to see whether there is any DNA left in their mouth?
Will these under cover german police women do anal and can I call them pig dirty police scum?I was pulled over by a blond German lady cop while leaving Sharks this February. She was very young and beautiful and in good shape. She had beautiful eyes too. She asked me if I was drunk and asked me to "blow" on her "device. " I wouldn't mind her being an undercover cop blowing on my device LOL! I was going to ask her when her shift was going end and if she wanted to make her next month salary tonight, but there was a guy cop with her standing behind my car and he just looked miserable. But I'd fuck that girl cop even if she ask me to double wrap my dick! LOL!
Solo Traveler
04-13-17, 15:11
False, false, false.
So many misunderstandings about East Asia from Eurocentrism.
Japan is not a feminist communist county like Germany.You're right about Japan's not being as feminist as Western Europe or North America, so they don't have so many men who are stuck in child support and alimony problems, but they're not as male-dominant as you may think.
I think you mistake Japan as some places where women have to obey men fully. You're thinking about the countries where all women have to wear hijabs. That's what you're thinking about, definitely not Japan.
And none of the above countries have to do with communism.
Great. Go to the FKKs in Japan then. I hear great things about them.
If you have the right facial features and skin color, that is.
Oops.Some venues in Japan does have a "no foreigner" policy, but that has nothing to do with ethnicity, it's about Japanese proficiency.
They don't want to deal with language barriers and foreigners who do not speak their first language often cause troubles, so they just simply reject foreigners to avoid troubles.
For example, a Japanese National born and raised in Dusseldorf and speaks German as first language, may also get rejected when going back to Japan, as long as the bouncer identifies him as a foreigner because of his lousy Japanese proficiency.
A white American who lives in Japan and speaks native speaker level Japanese wrote reports in his blogs, saying that he had successfully blended in those venues.
So, more like a "impatience and intolerance toward foreigners who do not speak the local lingua franca" problem, rather than a "ethnicity" problem.
Er, Germany is not a Communist country. That would be China and North Korea!Not sure about North Korea, because they never contact the outer world.
But saying China is still a communist country is like saying Russia is still the head of the Soviet Union World, which were all in the past already.
China is no different from Russia, Cuba, and many other ex-communist countries, all of which have been transforming themselves into capitalists.
UltraHappy
04-13-17, 17:04
How do you guys deal with saying no to approaches? I usually say I've just had a session and I'm relaxing or I just got here and I'm having a look around. I feel kinda bad doing it especially when a girl approaches you multiple times and then looks kinda downcast for the rest of the evening. I know there's a limit to what a guy can do in one night haha but it kinda bugged me after my last trip.I suggest reading the Oase thread from April 4th onwards where the same question was already posed and answered many times. Here is a link to the earlier-posed question:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1096-FKK-Oase-Burgholzhausen&p=2018318&viewfull=1#post2018318
PussyLiccker
04-13-17, 17:32
Also, this. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1089-General-Info&p=2016999&viewfull=1#post2016999.
Just say you are waiting for a girl or had sex. Some of the more pursual ones will press onwards, and chances are it's a bad sign because it can show lack of respect for the patron.
Some girls will say they don't like to approach, maybe not so assertive. I'm cool with that.
And for all you anal lovers, Ukrainian girls take it up their ass, so it is good nationalities to dominate FKK!You got that right! I told you by PM about the kind of stuff Ukrainian Claudia at Palace says in the room about anal LOL! Dirty, dirty, dirty! And I told everybody how she said, "Get in there, get in there! Don't be scared!" Hahaha! The best cornholers in the world I have encountered anywhere outside of Brazil are the Ukrainian and Ruskie girls working the clubs in Germany (a few in Spain too).
They may (charge extra) because they can.Well this is precisely what I was saying indirectly. The price paid often has nothing to do with supply and demand or the reach of the law. A tute will charge what she can get, whether she or the monger will be the one subjected to fines for engaging in prostitution.
Member #4581
04-13-17, 19:00
If Germany truly want to be the world's NO. 1 sex land (Deutsexland, LOL), even surpasses Brazil or Thailand, next step, Germans should legalize the content of standard service in Germany..Do you seriously think any nation in this world, even a single one, sets out to be the world's #1 sex land and destination?
That all or many of its citizens want that status for their nation, and vote for such a thing?
Seriously!
Prostitution is tolerated and allowed in some nations, with various provisions and restrictions attached. It is legal in some places. But none of those countries explicitly set out to achieve some sort of official global status as the leading sex destination. Even if they benefit from the tourist and tax and other economic gains. Have you ever seen Any country put in their official travel brochures and promotions "come to our country, enjoy great mongering, we have more desirable prostitutes than anywhere else in the world"?
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I want music that get me in mood of sexual monster and all above three will do and not this corny edm music they play in FKK.You can sing it at an FKK and know you're not just dreaming hahaha!
https://vimeo.com/25886180
Maybe Pistons will like it better than NIN and Manson too LOL!
Hessen Bub
04-13-17, 20:28
I am a monger myself but sometimes I think *some* people posting here lose perspective and post totally off the rocker comments. Like the other guy who said he would demand a blow job and sex from a stewardess (however, I find 90% of that guy's comments to be inane and borderline insane).+1. I usually hope it's sarcasm.
HB.
Oh Ukrainian girls are among the real best! I want them ASAP in FKK like Romanian amounts bitte!
And for all you anal lovers, Ukrainian girls take it up their ass, so it is good nationalities to dominate FKK!
Question is when?If not for the registration part of the new law, I would have expected now as that visa free travel opens up for Ukrainians and Georgians now in April. But it depends on how they will enforce that registration part. Something which potentially also could harm the Moldavian lot already working in the clubs.
Also, I agree. Calling China 2017 a communist country is as ridiculous a statement as statements get. China 2017 is even more capitalist than USA.
And I also agree with the guy saying commitment and friendships with fewer girls might be the way to moving forward with this new law if you are to have a chance at getting BBBJ under the blanket.
Do you seriously think any nation in this world, even a single one, sets out to be the world's #1 sex land and destination?
That all or many of its citizens want that status for their nation, and vote for such a thing?
Seriously!I think Thailand thinks in those lines. 10% of the economy is related to this type of business.
I think Thailand thinks in those lines. 10% of the economy is related to this type of business.Where does most of the money the girls make in Germany go? Most of it (yes, the pimps get some) is kept by the girl. In Thailand where does most of the money go? It goes back home to support the family. Nothing is clear cut in either location, you've still got the pimps and the lowlife dad's and boyfriends wanting a cut of the money. Heard many stories of girls in Thailand sending money home and the dad spending it on girls and booze and then telling his daughter to send more money. I agree with Pistons, 10% sure sounds possible. In Thailand you've got generation upon generation growing up to head to the big city to earn money for the parents back home. Even if the gogo's all closed in Bangkok the girls would find other ways of making money, just look at all the dating apps.
Does Thai government even make an effort to clean up its image? When most people think sex destination, Thailand comes immediately to mind. Aren't they trying to host an Olympics?
Does Thai government even make an effort to clean up its image? When most people think sex destination, Thailand comes immediately to mind. Aren't they trying to host an Olympics?It is a clear politic in Thailand to open up for sex tourists. No way around that fact. But they have made it illegal for non-Thai women to sell sex. Clearly in order to keep the money within Thailand. Studies also show that the more liberal a country and/or city is, the more does it attract startups and international business. Sex is a major force in this also.
So Thailand would probably have been as poor as Vietnam if not for the liberal sex politics. So when I say 10% economic boost, it doesn't even closely take into account the 2nd hand effects but those 10% are the semi-official numbers from it. My personal guess is that it would be closer to 90% than 10% if you discount those 2nd hand effect. But perhaps more like 50%.
Thailand is also one of the only countries in the world where women makes more money than men. So no reason for parents to have preferences for young boys. And no skewed sex ratio due to abortions etc like in china and India. I guess in a way you can call that feminism also. And equal pay as ironic as it sounds.
Member #4460
04-13-17, 23:25
Where does most of the money the girls make in Germany go? When I was in Dietzenbach relaxing in the back where some of the girls use their iPhones, one girl (who doesn't have that many clients) shows me pictures of her house and pets. She says she owns a house in the town and I thought to myself, "Really? How can someone who probably makes 240€ to 300€ (assuming she has like 8 to 10 clients) on a good day, minus entry and / or other expenses, own a house in town? I'm sure real estate must be way cheaper than New York or Los Angeles!
One girl, who I keep in contact with even after she left Goldentime, could barely afford things even after she dropped her pimp boyfriend and decided to work a normal job. Her apartment is in the city. I guess she didn't save enough of whatever money she made from Goldentime (which wasn't a lot due to expenses, medical, entry fees, transportation, etc. , etc.). This is a big contrast compared to another girl from a smaller FKK club who has no real competition and owns a house in the same town where the club is (which is a 15 minute walk away from the club).
I guess (except for my friend who used to go to Goldentime) you can live pretty well on prostitution money as long as you're just doing it for yourself as a single woman. If you have family or a pimp boyfriend, that might drain you a lot if you're the only one working!
Member #4581
04-13-17, 23:31
I don't doubt that sex trade accounts for a significant percent of Thai economy, whether that is 5% or 10% or whatever. So, they know where their bread is buttered and tolerant of it, especially as it provides employment for many families. But tolerance is not celebration. And even in Thailand, I see from time to time, some politician or other making noises about cleaning up Pattaya and sex trade etc. And for sure, they are not making national policy decisions driven by the goal of "how can we become even bigger or stay at the top of global sex trade rankings".
In any case, even if that was remotely true in the case of a developing small nation like Thailand, it is downright silly to suggest something like that could ever happen in a progressive western developed democracy like Germany, the largest economy in EU. In my view, German policies on prostitution are probably driven by their notions of fundamental freedoms and what's allowable in their constitution and not with the goal of improving their economy through more sex trade and with the hope that more mongers will come from abroad.
ST is a sensible member and I am sure he meant his remarks tongue in cheek. I don't read too much into his comment literally. Now, the other guy OTOH.
And for sure, they are not making national policy decisions driven by the goal of "how can we become even bigger or stay at the top of global sex trade rankings".Oh please (stop the naivety)! What is the first rule of fight club?
Aside from the Thailand talk, I am inclined to think the German laws are also somewhat in response to the studies regarding startups and international business. And its relation to liberal laws the first hand effects might be lower in Germany than in Thailand as compared to the rest of the economy. But the 2nd hand effects might be massive and one key phrase should be a small hint for you 'messe crowds'.
And these physics won't be less so in the future given China's economic rise. Just look into Chinese costume in business relations and their way of including 'girls' as part of the small talk. To know, and get under the skin of their business partners.
Looking at my favorite study topic again: anthropology, lots of Chinese girls dream of one day working at the top KTV's. Since that is where the pretty girls are working. Now at least that was how it was before communists took over. Still to some degree though.
You got that right! I told you by PM about the kind of stuff Ukrainian Claudia at Palace says in the room about anal LOL! Dirty, dirty, dirty! And I told everybody how she said, "Get in there, get in there! Don't be scared!" Hahaha! The best cornholers in the world I have encountered anywhere outside of Brazil are the Ukrainian and Ruskie girls working the clubs in Germany (a few in Spain too).I met some ruskie that are Romanians in German FKK LOL.
But I met some quite many half German half russian raised and born in Germany.
I cannot wait till Ukrainian come and work in German FKK LOL.
It is matter of visa, their economy is not in good shape, thanks to star Putin.
When I was in Dietzenbach relaxing in the back where some of the girls use their iPhones, one girl (who doesn't have that many clients) shows me pictures of her house and pets. She says she owns a house in the town Some people don't use the word 'own' correctly. You don't 'own' it if the title is being held by a bank. When a sex worker says 'look at my new house' and shows you a 300 k dollar dwelling you have to assume she isn't holding the papers for said dwelling. Lose the job you lose the house as in the girl gets pregnant and the body gets soft and much larger she can't pay the bills.
Some people don't use the word 'own' correctly. You don't 'own' it if the title is being held by a bank. When a sex worker says 'look at my new house' and shows you a 300 k dollar dwelling you have to assume she isn't holding the papers for said dwelling. Lose the job you lose the house as in the girl gets pregnant and the body gets soft and much larger she can't pay the bills.Most girls working this industry pay houses etc all in cash. Partly for the reasons you quoted.
Or just imagine going to a bank asking for a house loan, then to be asked what type of you have.
Member #4581
04-14-17, 00:55
You probably mean 2nd order.
2nd hand means a used good.
Automechanica messe claims an attendance of 130,000+. How many attend clubs in that week? But if you think it is the clubs driving the messe, I won't stop your illusion. Plenty of people believe in wag the dog theories.
If not for the registration part of the new law, I would have expected now as that visa free travel opens up for ukrainians and georgians now in April. But it depends on how they will enforce that registration part. Something which potentially also could harm the moldavian lot already working in the clubs.
Also, I gree. Calling China 2017 a communist country is as rediculous a statement as statements get. China 2017 is even more capitalist than USA.
And I also agree with the guy saying commitment and friendships with fewer girls might be the way to moving forward with this new law if you are to have a chance at getting bbbj under the blanket :)Usually former so called communist country tend to turn not just capitalistic, but extremely capitalistic upon opening up because oppression of greed lead to burst of greed.
Just like oppression of lust lead to extreme lust just like when we flying in monger on our first day at German FKK straight after plane landing LOL LOL.
Member #4460
04-14-17, 02:10
Some people don't use the word 'own' correctly. You don't 'own' it if the title is being held by a bank.Maybe yes, maybe no. I did look up Dietzenbach real estate listings and a very good apartment / condo is priced at 127 K € to own. A good house is about 300 k € but one can imagine how many dicks she'd have to have in her to buy that! LOL!
I don't doubt that sex trade accounts for a significant percent of Thai economy, whether that is 5% or 10% or whatever. So, they know where their bread is buttered and tolerant of it, especially as it provides employment for many families. But tolerance is not celebration. And even in Thailand, I see from time to time, some politician or other making noises about cleaning up Pattaya and sex trade etc. And for sure, they are not making national policy decisions driven by the goal of "how can we become even bigger or stay at the top of global sex trade rankings".
In any case, even if that was remotely true in the case of a developing small nation like Thailand, it is downright silly to suggest something like that could ever happen in a progressive western developed democracy like Germany, the largest economy in EU. In my view, German policies on prostitution are probably driven by their notions of fundamental freedoms and what's allowable in their constitution and not with the goal of improving their economy through more sex trade and with the hope that more mongers will come from abroad.
ST is a sensible member and I am sure he meant his remarks tongue in cheek. I don't read too much into his comment literally. Now, the other guy OTOH.Well sex tourism only occur because countries are in need of more money, EG: Thailand, Philippines, Brazil and also even Germany to support all the immigration and crazy expenses LOL.
You can sing it at an FKK and know you're not just dreaming hahaha!
https://vimeo.com/25886180
Maybe Pistons will like it better than NIN and Manson too LOL!Haha. Good one Mr cane LOL.
Enrique is usually crying or dying in music videos, so it is good for a change LOL.
In FKK, it usually is EDM music, which is kinda cool, but not for sex. I even prefer some trance music over EDM in FKK and in FKK only.
Automechanica messe claims an attendance of 130,000+. How many attend clubs in that week? But if you think it is the clubs driving the messe, I won't stop your illusion. Plenty of people believe in wag the dog theories.Surely everyone eats at the same table at McDonalds also. I was talking about the liberal policies. But if you think Germany is only FKK clubs, sure. Or if you think 100% of the attendance of the messe has to go clubbing every time in order for it to shift the scale on two equal options, then sure. Or you can add up messe crowds throughout 10 years and then look at the numbers. I don't know if you have heard about examples before. Business people travel outside of messe dates too.
Your 130 000+ automech attendance is a lot of locals (other Germans), women, tourists, etc also. Which leaves your target audience in this context perhaps as low as 10-15 000. How many people at last years automech messe in frankfurt visited FKK's throughout the messe period? 5 000? That is still a hefty percentage if you ask me... and don't forget momentum year on year for these messe events. It is not the absolute numbers that matters. But perhaps more the effects it has on momentum. Liberal politics is also not only a prostitution thing. But prostitution is surely one part of it. And even more so among asians than westerners.
Member #4581
04-14-17, 05:12
Yes, naturally I have never been to MCD, so I think they all sit at one table.
Automechanica has 52 K Germans, 80 K from abroad. With Google these days, don't need to "think".
Did locals stop visiting clubs during that week altogether? Every club visitor must be a foreigner, eh? Mauro should be so proud.
Automechanica has 52 K Germans, 80 K from abroad. With Google these days, don't need to "think".Does your google also tell you how many of these 80 000 were men? How many were females? How many were tourists that just dropped by?
Your last paragraph just tells me you missed the context of our little discussion here.
Less McD wouldnt hurt by the way. I would be proud of myself if I had been clueless regarding McD eating habits. Last I went to a McD was unfortunately in Germany though, ☺
(5000 international FKK visitors. I am sure that FKK's in Hessen has a lot more visitors than that if you include local Germans)
Member #4581
04-14-17, 05:23
It was you who suggested prostitution influences German policy makers because its economically important, Pistons. You cited messe as an example. Now, you seem to be downplaying that side. Whatever. If you have some numbers and links to support your claim, you should cite. We all have Google, no? Good night.
Not downplaying anything. FKKs are just one table at the liberal McD that is Germany. But feel free to send us a letter from North Korea too. Now this is getting too drawn out. Good night!
It was you who suggested prostitution influences German policy makers because its economically important, Pistons. You cited messe as an example. Now, you seem to be downplaying that side. Whatever. If you have some numbers and links to support your claim, you should cite. We all have Google, no? Good night.Of course it does, policy makers go to FKK too especially in Berlin.
Hessen Bub
04-14-17, 09:18
When I was in Dietzenbach relaxing in the back where some of the girls use their iPhones, one girl (who doesn't have that many clients) shows me pictures of her house and pets. She says she owns a house in the town and I thought to myself, "Really? How can someone who probably makes 240 to 300 (assuming she has like 8 to 10 clients) on a good day, minus entry and / or other expenses, own a house in town? I'm sure real estate must be way cheaper than New York or Los Angeles!You don't really ask that question, do you? A house or an apartment in Romania (not Bucarest) costs as much as a decent German car in LA.
HB.
There seems to be a messe going on the middle of may, my normal hotel was sold out. Luckily I found another cheap one just down the road. What messe is it and will it bring crowds to the clubs?
Member #4460
04-14-17, 11:40
You don't really ask that question, do you? A house or an apartment in Romania (not Bucarest) costs as much as a decent German car in LA.
HB.Well, when it comes to keeping up a good friendship with some of the girls, I don't want to ask too many questions without looking skeptical. I figured I could research the rest later or compare notes with this group (some things like real estate and such)!
I did manage to become FB friends with some of them on this trip but their FB names are probably fake like their "stage name" as well (whether they are real or fake, it doesn't matter because I'm not one of those obsessed people who cyber-stalk other people). Still nice to see their hand picked photo life outside the clubs!
Citizen Kane
04-14-17, 12:31
There seems to be a messe going on the middle of may, my normal hotel was sold out. Luckily I found another cheap one just down the road. What messe is it and will it bring crowds to the clubs?http://www.messefrankfurt.com/content/dam/corporate/messe/publikationen/Kal_A4_FFM_2017_E_web_final.pdf
Sebastiane
04-14-17, 12:57
China remains politically Communist but is economically capitalist.
http://www.messefrankfurt.com/content/dam/corporate/messe/publikationen/Kal_A4_FFM_2017_E_web_final.pdfSays imex and babywelt. Will those impact the clubs?
Citizen Kane
04-14-17, 15:32
Says imex and babywelt. Will those impact the clubs?I'm pretty sure Baby World won't...
I don't think any of the Messen impact the clubs the way they use to 5+ years ago even the big Auto one's in September. Maybe it's because there are more clubs now so the crowds are more spread out. Still impacts the hotel prices though.
Solo Traveler
04-14-17, 16:20
Do you seriously think any nation in this world, even a single one, sets out to be the world's #1 sex land and destination?
That all or many of its citizens want that status for their nation, and vote for such a thing?
ST is a sensible member and I am sure he meant his remarks tongue in cheek. I don't read too much into his comment literally. Now, the other guy OTOH.Where do you get the connection that I was talking about voting and politics?
Of course politicians will never brag about its sex industry in an International conference, and of course the FKK Sauna clubs' advertising will never be allowed on a Lufthansa plane or in Frankfurt Airport.
Yes, I understand deeply that sex will never be discussed as easily as food or drinks by the public. The public may talk about the beer in Oktoberfest openly, but only a very small proportion of the population will discuss the sex in FKK Sauna clubs in private. Yes, this is common sense, and I think everyone here knows this already.
I'm talking it from a businessman's perspective, and a businessman don't put politics into consideration unless it will cause a negative effect on his income.
For example, what is the purpose of the banners in this website and in many other websites? They want to draw people from / in other countries to go to Germany and to visit their clubs!
The banners not only exist when you're browsing the "German" or "German FKK Clubs" thread, they exist everywhere, no matter what thread you choose to browse.
A monger who got plenty of time and money may want to arrange a sex vacation to Brazil initially, but after he sees the banners, he may get interested in Germany, and he is very likely to end up canceling the trip to Brazil and decide to visit Germany instead.
And, if he decides to hit Oase, stay in a hotel in Frankfurt, and is too lazy to rent a car or use public transports, then, the hotel gains 50+ Euros a night, a lucky taxi driver gains 35+ Euros one way and the commission from Oase, Oase gains 70 Euros, and some sharky girls gains many 150+ sessions with their sharky tactics.
These money could have flowed to Brazil, but no, it flows to Germany (and to Romania to a certain degree).
Is it competition for clients and money? Yes. And Germany wins, while Brazil loses.
Do the hotel, driver, club owner, girls want the monger to repeat the same action over and over? Sure. They want to have many foreign clients like this 365 days a year.
Do they want to be targeted by some politicians or religious groups against prostitution? No.
They want to be your No. 1 choice so that you will splash lots of your money on them, but at the same time, they don't want to have a bad reputation or image.
I don't see any contradictions above. This is human nature, and it's common.
In my previous comment, the only part that is impossible is that the German legislators are very unlikely to make laws that regulate the detailed content of what shall be include in a sexual service.
I don't see a problem in other parts of my previous comment.
Hi all,
It will be a stupid question, please bEar with me.
I am a newbie to FKK clubs, I have been to one small club and found myself feel uneasy to talk to girls.
I am a shy guy (hence the need to go to FKK, maybe). As soon as I entered the club, I already felt a bit lost: where could I look (I avoided girl's' private parts eventually), what I can do other than just sitting there, even where I should put my hands. I was conscious about it.
Luckily the girls were not too pushy. Eventually a girl asked politely and sat next to me.
I asked her name, where she's from, how long she has been in Germany, her age. After 5 minutes, we were already out of topics.
Breaking the silence, she asked to go to the room. I could not reject her.
I do want to go to the room with her but I am also a bit mad at myself that I could not hold the conversation.
I wish I could talk with her nicely for at least 20 minutes (the girls look quite free that day), feel an emotional connection and even friendship (yes, I know it's just a fake feeling) before I have sex with her.
So here come the naive questions:
What do you guys usually talk about with the girls?
I saw guys chit chatting with the girls for a long time, but it's in German and I don't understand it.
How do I get the girls to talk more about their private life without appearing to be a weirdo?
A separate question:
Is it a good time to visit FKK clubs this Sunday? Or most girls would have gone back to Eastern Europe for Easter.
Thanks!
PussyLiccker
04-14-17, 18:23
China remains politically Communist but is economically capitalist.This is more true than simply communist.
Following Mao's death in 1976 and the consequent end of the Cultural Revolution, Deng Xiaoping and the new Chinese leadership began to reform the economy and move towards a more market-oriented mixed economy under one-party rule. Agricultural collectivization was dismantled and farmlands privatized, while foreign trade became a major new focus, leading to the creation of Special Economic Zones (SEZs). Inefficient state-owned enterprises (SOEs) were restructured and unprofitable ones were closed outright, resulting in massive job losses. Modern-day China is mainly characterized as having a market economy based on private property ownership,[273] and is one of the leading examples of state capitalism.[274][275] The state still dominates in strategic "pillar" sectors such as energy production and heavy industries, but private enterprise has expanded enormously, with around 30 million private businesses recorded in 2008.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China
This is more true than simply communist.There has actually been talks about legalizing prostitution in China a few years ago too. So some communist ideas has started to be questioned. But these things takes time. I think China is closer to that change than they are to implement Swedish feminism however.
https://thenanfang.com/is-it-time-to-legalize-prostitution-in-china/
PussyLiccker
04-14-17, 18:40
I saw this list floating around the nets, and was perplexed at how they arrived at this. How the accountability is taken.
https://www.liveandinvestoverseas.com/news/countries-with-most-prostitutes/
I saw this list floating around the nets, and was perplexed at how they arrived at this. How the accountability is taken.
https://www.liveandinvestoverseas.com/news/countries-with-most-prostitutes/Wouldn't take this too serious. That means for Germany around 400 k prostitutes. Latest estimation also used for calculation for the new law in July is 200 k.
Member #4581
04-14-17, 18:50
ST,
"Where ...I was...talking about voting and politics?"
This is what you said previously.
"If Germany truly want to be the world's NO. 1 sex land (Deutsexland, LOL), even surpasses Brazil or Thailand, next step, Germans should legalize the content of standard service in Germany. ".
You talked about Germany. The whole country. Not some business group in the country, or a few people, or even a few companies. When you refer to Germany or any other country for that matter, you are including the entire nation.
Secondly, you did says "Germans should legalize". That is referring to the government and politicians who pass laws, and you suggested they should change or modify their legal system for the sole purpose of become the #1 sex destination.
Member #4581
04-14-17, 19:04
Pistons,
It appears that liberal is your standard insult to throw around. (At least you didn't call me a snowflake, the most overused insult in the last year). I have no idea which "conservative country" you come from, because you keep dinging USA, Germany, etc, while apparently you still have a need to visit the same German clubs. I am still lost on the North Korean connection. Is one of us supposed to be North Korean in this debate?
I guess English is not your first language - mangled idioms don't imply insightful brilliance.
PussyLiccker
04-14-17, 19:05
You know, Germany as a p6 destination never occurred me before visiting. For Europe, Amsterdam got brought up like it's the sin city of Europe, maybe amongst Europeans, different.
I thought that business travelers or the like would have better chances to realize this than some Joe that has never been there. Also, more of the well traveled mongers than the avg person I think.
Member #4581
04-14-17, 19:10
You know, Germany as a sex destination never occurred to me. For Europe, Amsterdam got brought up like it's the sin city of Europe, maybe amongst Europeans, different.
I thought that business travelers or the like would have better chances to realize this than some Joe that has never been there. Also, more of the well traveled mongers than the avg person I think.I think that used to be the perception among Americans, that Amsterdam is the sin city. I think you are probably right that the average American still may hold that view, but my guess is that hardcore mongers now know Germany is the place to go. Just on this board, you see how many Americans are posting in German threads; don't think there is anywhere close to that degree of participation in the Netherlands threads.
Hessen Bub
04-14-17, 19:25
Secondly, you did says "Germans should legalize". That is referring to the government and politicians who pass laws, and you suggested they should change or modify their legal system for the sole purpose of become the #1 sex destination.Prostitution is and will remain legal in Germany, even after July 1st.
HB.
Member #4581
04-14-17, 20:40
Prostitution is and will remain legal in Germany, even after July 1st.
HB.Yes, we all know. There was more to that sentence from him, you can look it up. I just copied the portion of the sentence needed to make my argument.
You know, Germany as a p6 destination never occurred me before visiting. For Europe, Amsterdam got brought up like it's the sin city of Europe, maybe amongst Europeans, different.
I thought that business travelers or the like would have better chances to realize this than some Joe that has never been there. Also, more of the well traveled mongers than the avg person I think.As far as I know, mongering in Amsterdam is so bad. I hear escort scene there is good, but not confirmed because I never tried.
As for cross the border from Venlo, I do not know how YY is, but sounded hopeful.
Yes, we all know. There was more to that sentence from him, you can look it up. I just copied the portion of the sentence needed to make my argument.You have to understand Hessen bub has twisted sense of humor, it is his character here he pick few words and turn the whole things around LOL.
Citizen Kane
04-14-17, 22:39
I think that used to be the perception among Americans, that Amsterdam is the sin city.Personally I blame Van Halen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpP6cdC0K28
Vito Corleone
04-14-17, 22:55
There seems to be a messe going on the middle of may, my normal hotel was sold out. Luckily I found another cheap one just down the road. What messe is it and will it bring crowds to the clubs?There's a big one in Dusseldorf May 4-10.
Member #4581
04-15-17, 00:02
Personally I blame Van Halen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpP6cdC0K28
brilliant 😀.
I was a Diamond Dave guy myself but my roommate in college swore that Eddie Van Halen was the greatest thing out of NED since Van Gogh.
Pistons,
It appears that liberal is your standard insult to throw around. (At least you didn't call me a snowflake, the most overused insult in the last year). I have no idea which "conservative country" you come from, because you keep dinging USA, Germany, etc, while apparently you still have a need to visit the same German clubs. I am still lost on the North Korean connection. Is one of us supposed to be North Korean in this debate?
I guess English is not your first language - mangled idioms don't imply insightful brilliance.I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. How you can manage to read my last comments as insults on liberal values is beyond me. Quite the opposite in fact, as I much prefer that to North Korea. And free sex is one of the most liberal things we can do in this world...
The snowflake word is something I see as way too childish. I heard Tomi Lahren atempt to explain it in a video, but she lost me 1/4 of the way through.
I will stick to my own version of 'snowflake':
https://youtu.be/_fnW3IcArfQ
2:30
Jnpr30: I don't get how you can label America as a liberal country considering Donald Trump. Or even the 2 party system, which in some ways are worse than Chinas 1 party system. Not to mention the fact that most Americans think there is some entity called a god whom they pray to every once in awhile, believing he will fix things for them, and that sex is a sin. I call that a psychological condition. Germany is however liberal on some aspects. Hence the point I made about the attraction Germany has to international trade. With America, the only fake liberal idea they are pulling out these days is free use of opium (cannabis being the first step. But also the drug industry using more and more opiates). Surely that must sound fantastically liberal. At least until you become an addict, and start to believe in little green men and spirits that bring you across the sky. Just reading about the opium wars with half an eye open should tell you the complete opposite. Opiates are anti liberal as it dumb down the populace.
(Mangled idioms just going there, using that phrase makes you sound like a narcissist)
As far as I know, mongering in Amsterdam is so bad. I hear escort scene there is good, but not confirmed because I never tried.I can confirm both of your statements. Although, I will forever remember my one foray into the Amsterdam red light scene since the girl I fucked looked like a very young, blonde Zsa Zsa Gabor! Said she was from Denmark, so I add that flag to my collection hehehe.
You can actually measure the liberal success when looking at USA's international trade and compare it to countries like Japan and Germany by looking at their trade balances, or in the us case, imbalance. It goes to show that when Americans talk about big companies, so many of them point towards the big WalMart. A local US retail chain that just until recently focused on selling foreign stuff from abroad to Americans. But there is one thing you can like about WalMart. Every time some smart guy is trying to describe just how large WalMart is, he (or she) revitalizes all these old math dilemmas from primary school.
Like 'In one month, out of all the WalMart stores, xxxxxxxxxx meters of toilet paper are sold. That is how big WalMart is.'
Or 'In just one average week out of all the stores owned by WalMart, xxxxxxxxxxxxxx atoms of sodium found in nasal sprays are being sold. That is how big WalMart is'.
Or, 'An Olympic athlete will need to run xxxxxxxxxxx laps around a 400 meter track and field course to burn the amount of calories sold at WalMart every day. That is how big WalMart is.'
As if WalMart has some kind of philanthropic agenda of raising the math standards of all Americans. Maybe so that it can help the messed up trade imbalance going forward when the new Einstein grows up (no wait, he was not born in USA). LOL. Or at least it may help with fixing that falling divergent thinking rate. Until some guy also takes a crack at that idea, calling it 'mangled idioms'. LOL!
Hessen Bub
04-15-17, 11:16
https://thetimchannel.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/why-walmart-failed-in-germany/
HB.
https://thetimchannel.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/why-walmart-failed-in-germany/
HB.A ban on flirting in the workplace? LOL, Germans really do attend FKK's all that time don't you?
Yes, not very liberal of them.
Solo Traveler
04-15-17, 13:56
Guys,
Who live in countries like sex prisons.
What do you do when you're now on a sex vacation?
Do you still have paid sex once in awhile, or practice abstinence?
I think I am living a life like a catholic priest with total abstinence recently. Good thing is that I save money pretty fast that I can soon arrange another sex vacation abroad. LOL.
PussyLiccker
04-15-17, 15:53
Market is now going toward online business. Amazon is prime example of that. There are new ideas they come up with and put into practice for convenience sake for the business and the consumer.
I know we all have stereotypes of German efficiency, but really the capitalistic American ventures pushes for efficient business practices.
Mongerer88
04-15-17, 16:28
Market is now going toward online business. Amazon is prime example of that. There are new ideas they come up with and put into practice for convenience sake for the business and the consumer.
I know we all have stereotypes of German efficiency, but really the capitalistic American ventures pushes for efficient business practices.Damn interesting point. Not sure if you were referring to true retail business, or commercial sex, or both.
Germany, with the limited exception of Berlin, is about last bastion of the large shopping mall, brick-and-mortar model of purchasing sex. Obviously a lot of guys prefer that, which is fine with me.
But if you look at the rest of the western world, the trend is clearly toward online advertisements and transactions for sex. Sometimes it is the ladies advertising and booking by themselves, and sometimes they work for an agency that handles the administrative tasks for them. Even when incall is a necessity, the trend is toward the making of an appointment with a specific lady at a specific time. So the incall facilities are smaller and shared more efficiently.
The Internet and cell phones and the ability to translate languages efficiently on email and whatsapp make things possible that were not achievable a few years ago. Not only with respect to communications, but online maps make it easy for them to find each other for the actual transaction, The reduced downtime that a sex worker has waiting for customers at a fixed facility goes away, so she does not necessarily feel the need to be compensated for the downtime through a higher price while doing sex. And the technology needed to achieve the greater efficiency is not particularly expensive.
The online system makes reviews more important, since the lack of the shopping mall experience doesn't provide for a look and touch before you rent aspect to the transaction.
PussyLiccker
04-15-17, 16:50
Some things should be brick and mortar. Like seeing the girl, and number of girls on site to decide on. Images are not a whole representation, may not match or differ from expectations, so seeing and talking to the girl before hand can't be beat. For optics, but for service, reviews can work.
I was referring to more goods related transactions, although p6 is good. 😁.
Mongerer88
04-15-17, 17:11
Some things should be brick and mortar. Like seeing the girl, and number of girls on site to decide on. Images are not a whole representation, may not match or differ from expectations, so seeing and talking to the girl before hand can't be beat. For optics, but for service, reviews can work.
I was referring to more goods related transactions, although p6 is good. 😁.I am not trying to fight with people. I am not an FKK guy, but I like everyone to get what they want.
In the very long run, I just can't see the FKK system making it. They have to be large to eliminate the inefficiencies that come from the down time. A lady needs to fuck a lot of guys to make it worthwhile to invest the whole day selling tail. And large operations invite a lot of scrutiny and regulation from those who oppose this activity.
I think it works in Germany because of the unique combination of less prosperous Eastern European women who do not place the same value on "down time" as the ladies in wealthier countries, and the influx of short-time business and convention travelers. There is an abundance of hot 18-30 year old women in most western nations who will take out an anonymous ad, book via cell phone / email, and make damn good money doing this a couple of hours a day for a few days a week. And most of those western women would not go to a fixed-location brothel every day hoping to get customers. She sets her own rules for things like BBBJ/CIM and she is damn hard for a government to catch and regulate. Wouldn't most sex workers prefer that?
I just see the "online" system being more sustainable in the next many years than the brick and mortar model. But I could be wrong. Of course as a customer, there is a greater element of unknown that is only alleviated by accurate reviews.
I am not trying to fight with people. I am not an FKK guy, but I like everyone to get what they want.
In the very long run, I just can't see the FKK system making it. They have to be large to eliminate the inefficiencies that come from the down time. A lady needs to fuck a lot of guys to make it worthwhile to invest the whole day selling tail. And large operations invite a lot of scrutiny and regulation from those who oppose this activity.
I think it works in Germany because of the unique combination of less prosperous Eastern European women who do not place the same value on "down time" as the ladies in wealthier countries, and the influx of short-time business and convention travelers. There is an abundance of hot 18-30 year old women in most western nations who will take out an anonymous ad, book via cell phone / email, and make damn good money doing this a couple of hours a day for a few days a week. And most of those western women would not go to a fixed-location brothel every day hoping to get customers. She sets her own rules for things like BBBJ/CIM and she is damn hard for a government to catch and regulate. Wouldn't most sex workers prefer that?
I just see the "online" system being more sustainable in the next many years than the brick and mortar model. But I could be wrong. Of course as a customer, there is a greater element of unknown that is only alleviated by accurate reviews.Isn't Kaufmich popular in Germany?
Some reason for German FKK club system. Over many years a standard service, you don't need negotiate prices. WYSIWYG, large choice for both sides, also the combination of sex with wellness and food, you're surrounded with young naked girls for hours, you can watch them all the time. And very very important is the safty for both sides. I always feel comfortable in clubs, that isn't the case in many other P6 areas. Also for the girls the clubs are a very safe place. Most crime to WGs in P6 happen on escorts, street hockers or at an apartment.
So internet can't replace the club system on a market principle only by regulations or prohibition.
Member #4581
04-15-17, 19:18
Guys,
Who live in countries like sex prisons.
What do you do when you're now on a sex vacation?
Do you still have paid sex once in awhile, or practice abstinence?
I think I am living a life like a catholic priest with total abstinence recently. Good thing is that I save money pretty fast that I can soon arrange another sex vacation abroad. LOL.Not sure how much abstinence is being practiced by a Catholic priest either. I think for those who live in one of the Western European countries, some sort of legal paid sex is relatively easy to access and within short reach; it is available in NA and other places as well, but the legality of it is less clear. Our Japanese friend has talked about mongering in Japan for example. But FKK is very addictive and once you experience it, keeps drawing you in like a siren; frequency of visits keeps increasing for many. Easier for unmarried and unattached folks ofc. Married guys have to explain why they keep disappearing for weeks and why the bank account is suddenly 5000 short. Lol.
In the US, strip clubs are quite legal but other than giving blue balls and robbing you of hundreds of dollars in an hour or two, they provide very little relief. There is sex for sale in some of those strip clubs but again skirting the edge of legality.
Some mongers here have GFs in real life. And of course, there is iPad+wifi+left hand; masters of own domain. Lol
It doesn't happen more than perhaps once a year. But I agree with Craiova here. And the three most important key words are 'safety', 'safety', 'safety'. Internet ads are almost like street tutes actually where I live, some of the street tutes have internet ads also.
Mongerer88
04-15-17, 19:46
It doesn't happen more than perhaps once a year. But I agree with Craiova here. And the three most important key words are 'safety', 'safety', 'safety'. Internet ads are almost like street tutes... actually where I live, some of the street tutes have internet ads also...In most of the markets I participate in, or know about from friends, I find the opposite to be true. The independent escorts in the 150 - 200 euro an hour range who advertise specific services with their own ads (or their agency ads) and who have reviews on various review boards are a massive step-up from the street scene. Usually college students who take their jobs seriously and often offer BBBJ and other delights at a fixed price. I just can't envision any of them working all day at an FKK or a brothel where they have to be there for many consecutive hours waiting for customers. My point was that online shopping has opened up the market for these ladies, who most definitely would not walk the streets.
Member #4581
04-15-17, 20:03
Amazon has a current market capitalization of nearly 420 billion dollars, which exceeds the combined market cap of Walmart, Target, Costco, Carrefour, Metro and Tesco, and still has room to spare. Not by revenues but by market cap. Markets are volatile and can often be wrong but it shows what investors think about the futures of these various business models and their prospects going forward.
That said, as Craiova said, there are several tangible and intangible advantages of an FKK which could never be replicated online. Most important for me are the hundred plus roaming naked girls that I can ogle all day, to get excited and ready for the next session. Over time, I have migrated almost all my shopping online, starting with books and electronics to now clothes, shoes, food and most other things. But I can't see myself preferring single encounters via internet vs multiple day FKK tours. Not to mention, in the foreseeable future, US will remain as repressed as ever in sexual matters and legal regulations, and fkk's legality and safety are strong attractions.
Solo Traveler
04-15-17, 21:03
Guys,
Who live in countries like sex prisons.
What do you do when you're now on a sex vacation?
Do you still have paid sex once in awhile, or practice abstinence?
I think I am living a life like a catholic priest with total abstinence recently. Good thing is that I save money pretty fast that I can soon arrange another sex vacation abroad. LOL.Should be "What do you do when you're *NOT* on a sex vacation?
Not sure how much abstinence is being practiced by a Catholic priest either.
In the US, strip clubs are quite legal but other than giving blue balls and robbing you of hundreds of dollars in an hour or two, they provide very little relief. There is sex for sale in some of those strip clubs but again skirting the edge of legality.A Catholic priest, by theory, practice total abstinence that they are not allowed to marry, have a relationship, have sex, or even masturbate.
And basically this is a lifestyle I'm living.
Not because I'm religious or something, just because I don't see a point to engage myself in any other activities other than having sex vacations abroad. LOL.
In my country, the cheapest paid sex I can access costs me around 45 Euros, and that's just for a quick suck and fuck under 15 minutes.
After I visited NRW clubs, now I just think, "Why don't I save all these money and use it in a more effective and enjoyable way?" Each 45 Euros I save means one more entry, or one more 30-minute sex in German FKK Sauna clubs. Far better than what I can get in my country.
And, yes, I can relate to you guys in the US.
One guy living in the Los Angeles told me that the only access he can get there is some mediocre escort in-calls, but even the cheapest option costs him 200-300 USD for an hour.
He said he use that service once a week. So, that's 800-1200 USD for 4 one-hour sessions in a month.
1200 USD equals to 1130 EUR, and that's approximately 11 one-hour sessions in a Hesse club.
4 VS 11.
I guess guys living in Western Europe can never imagine what it's like to live in a sex prison.
The reduced downtime that a sex worker has waiting for customers at a fixed facility goes away, so she does not necessarily feel the need to be compensated for the downtime through a higher price while doing sex. And the technology needed to achieve the greater efficiency is not particularly expensive.
I think it works in Germany because of the unique combination of less prosperous Eastern European women who do not place the same value on "down time" as the ladies in wealthier countries, and the influx of short-time business and convention travelers.
I just see the "online" system being more sustainable in the next many years than the brick and mortar model.Theoretically, you've got a point.
But, in reality, a girl who work in FKK Sauna clubs charges 100 Euros max for an hour, while a girl who work independently or for an escort agency charges a lot more than that.
Let alone the price, many other factors which the clubs provide (food, facilities, the access to check out all women's bodies and faces in close distance, etc) cannot be replaced by the "online system".
I always draw an analogy between sex and food.
"Online system", incall, or outcall, are like ordering food by the Internet or phone, while "Clubs system", on the other hand, is like walking into a restaurant with buffet setups.
Market cap is irrelevant. Apple has a very high market cap also, but most of that is cash laying around gathering dust in a swizz bank account. Retailers on the other hand has a higher turnover. Not to mention all the other reasons market cap is irrelevant... like marketing, cash from investment banks, private equity funds, quantitative easing etc... the silicon valley it bubble is more politics than turnover these days. With insane salaries none others anywhere in the world can compete with. Just look at tesla.
Then again, SF has long been seen as the most liberal american city. Maybe alongside Seattle.
Member #4581
04-15-17, 22:44
"Market cap is irrelevant. ".
Who can argue with such pearls of widsom?!
"Apple has a very high market cap also, but most of that is cash laying around".
Apple has a market cap of $740 BN, and its gross and net cash (net of debt) are $235 BN and $160 BN. That is, 22% of market cap is net cash. Not *most* - unless the word most has a different meaning in some parts of the world.
Anyhow, it is a strange argument to make that market cap is irrelevant because a company has lot of cash. I hope this is not how accounting and finance are taught wherever you live.
"Retailers on the other hand has a higher turnover".
Did anyone dispute this? Whats the relevance of this to what we discussing (shift of business from offline to online, and if the sex industry will also follow that model)?
In any case, if profit is not an objective, any idiot can create a huge turnover. Sears still has nearly $22Bn in revenue annually. It's market cap is less than a billion and half. Pretty soon, it may go bankrupt.
"With insane salaries none others anywhere in the world can compete with. Just look at tesla. ".
Is someone jealous:0-) When a company has good business, good prospects, and investors like it, it is able to pay its people. I am always happy to see people get rewarded. That's how capitalism is supposed to work.
I can confirm both of your statements. Although, I will forever remember my one foray into the Amsterdam red light scene since the girl I fucked looked like a very young, blonde Zsa Zsa Gabor! Said she was from Denmark, so I add that flag to my collection hehehe.Wow from Denmark too? That is a catch. The best I get in Germany is German or czech and Hungarian LOL.
I got blonde half swedish and german once in artemis, former palace girl named Kimmi few years ago that is. She is gone and I am still keeping my eyes out for her, but I guess she quit the industry for good. If you know where she is about anyone, please do let me know.
This Kimmi is blonde one, not the black Kimmi that is at artemis now LOL I do not have thing for black women though I do like half white and half black now and then when I find real beauty one which is like every 4 years, bit like Olympic LOL.
Mongerer88
04-16-17, 01:14
Thanks for the comments everyone.
I enjoy the study of this topic, and it is very interesting to me how little the German FKK system has changed in the online world, and how little it has been harmed by technological competition.
The three cities I am most familiar with, Barcelona, Lisbon, and Madrid (although I am least familiar with Madrid), have changed significantly over the last few years, at least for a non-local. A long time ago, a visitor simply got a physical address and went to a relatively big brothel. Those were the only reviews on ISG. Even when a person found a local review site, to the extent he could translate it back then, the local reviews were oriented toward those well-known brothels.
Today, there are incredibly detailed online advertising sites with detailed pictures and videos in those cities. Girls advertise very specific services including details regarding BBBJ, CIM, Greek, BDSM, and there are now a lot of reviews of independents and escort ladies advertising on those sites. Those reviews appear in abundance on ISG and even more so on the four local language review boards for those three cities. There are fewer brothel reviews on those four review sites, and the brothels that are reviewed tend to be smaller ones with 10 of fewer ladies that have upped their web presence with pictures and details of service offerings. A foreigner can simply access a completely different, and in my opinion better, market in those cities than he could even five years ago, and if he reads reviews, he should rarely be disappointed.
Apparently, there is an appeal to FKKs that defeats the move to more online shopping that one can see in other parts of Europe. I don't have any true evidence of this, and Baltix noted that there is some online sex shopping in Germany. But at least based on the preponderance of FKK reports on ISG compared to a reports for Independents or agencies in Germany.
Hopefully, the CBJ rule will be ignored at the FKKs and German brothels. If not, I can't help but wonder if that might cause a change in demand toward independents with reviews if a guy want to continue utilizing the German market.
Wow from Denmark too? That is a catch. I got blonde half swedish and german once in artemis, former palace girl named Kimmi few years ago that is.Yes, I've had one Dane in my life, and also 100% Swedish from Gothenburg, Sweden. She was at Globe in Zurich when I went. Fucked her in her attractive, blonde, Nordic butt hole too! What else? Haha! Also sucked my dick like a mad woman throwing that pretty blonde hair every which a way LOL! Another flag to my extensive collection!
Hessen Bub
04-16-17, 08:42
There's a tiny difference between shopping for a book online at Amazon and having it sent home to read it and booking a hooker online. Most mongers wouldn't want her to be "delivered" to their homes with the wife and kids around. LOL. Or to book a hotel room. The clubs are providing the platform where girls and boys can meet, talk to each other, there's a big choice of girls depending on the size of the club, there's a certain standard to the service and probably most important for the guys is the wysiwyg effect.
I don't see any online trend for P6 in Germany besides more and more online advertising.
HB.
Agree Master HB.
Additionally, for guys its less risky seeing how the girls looks like and also how they behave I. E. Classy behavior LOL.
For girls its about safety and to a certain degree also choose who they want to session with and hence you have the "asian killers" hehe.
For guys like me in a relationship it is much safer to go to a club. Online booking leaves too much of a data trail especially if phone verification is required.
Today, there are incredibly detailed online advertising sites with detailed pictures and videos in those cities. Girls advertise very specific services including details regarding BBBJ, CIM, Greek, BDSM, and there are now a lot of reviews of independents and escort ladies advertising on those sites. Those reviews appear in abundance on ISG and even more so on the four local language review boards for those three cities. There are fewer brothel reviews on those four review sites, and the brothels that are reviewed tend to be smaller ones with 10 of fewer ladies that have upped their web presence with pictures and details of service offerings. A foreigner can simply access a completely different, and in my opinion better, market in those cities than he could even five years ago, and if he reads reviews, he should rarely be disappointed.
Is there a service standard in Madrid, Spain, Lisbon brothels? One reason to avoid independents, is that there will be some oversight. Management keeps the girls from cheating whether that be a mega-brothel or a small escort agency. It may be the men are just fed up with inconsistent service, and found alternatives.
I've used Kaufmich, but I only picked girls who had reviews. I'd probably use Kaufmich more often if FKK clubs didn't exist of course.
For guys like me in a relationship it is much safer to go to a club. Online booking leaves too much of a data trail especially if phone verification is required.Attending a FKK is risky if the monger's social and professional network is in the same geographic proximity as the FKK club. Why would a guy's Audi be seen driving in an industrial area on a Sunday night?
Many married mongers don't have the luxury to dedicate more than 1-2 hours for the hobby. FKKs don't really offer value if that's the case. Exception is maybe older married mongers in their 60's. Their wives I assume don't keep tabs on them anymore. So they can enjoy 12 hours at the club once a week no problem.
Mongerer88
04-16-17, 14:35
Is there a service standard in Madrid, Spain, Lisbon brothels? One reason to avoid independents, is that there will be some oversight. Management keeps the girls from cheating whether that be a mega-brothel or a small escort agency. It may be the men are just fed up with inconsistent service, and found alternatives.
I've used Kaufmich, but I only picked girls who had reviews. I'd probably use Kaufmich more often if FKK clubs didn't exist of course.At the true brothels in those specified countries, the offerings differ from lady to lady. The bad news is that some ladies are CBJ, non-GFE. The good news is that most are BBBJ / GFE and there are few, if any, reports of a foreigner being treated differently than a local. She does what she does with little favoritism for locals or regulars. The only exception is at the very large Barcelona brothels with traditional line-ups, where upsells for CIM and anal often occur and those upsells are high. I am not sure that they upsell foreigners more so than locals, because the local Barcelona review board focuses on the smaller brothels that have little or no upsells.
There is a more significant standardization of service amongst independents and agency girls who have their own profile within an agency website listing her services. Most perform exactly what they offer in their online ads, or they get called out on it in reviews and it hurts business. And relatively more reviews on ISG are of independents in Spain and of independents or specific agency ladies in Lisbon.
I know I am over stereotyping those three distinct markets, but the larger point I was making was that if you look at the ISG threads in most countries of Europe. Spain, Portugal, Czech Republic, France, United Kingdom, etc. , you will find a trend toward fewer reports of clubs and line-up brothels, and more reports with links to specific ads where a lady is working as an independent, for an agency, or at a very small brothel and her specific service offerings are listed and the customer needs to make an appointment to see her either outcall, at a shared trick pad, at her apartment, or at the small brothel. Those are things made available to a foreigner as a result of technology and efficiency that did not exist that long ago. It has changed the scene in those places and in my unsupportable way of thinking, has likely brought some talent into the business that would not have existed if those ladies had to work long hours at a line-up style brothel.
I found it interesting that those same changes do not seem to occur in Germany, at least at the same pace. When I go to an a FKK website, I barely see a girl, let alone details about each lady. But the customers seem quite happy with the system, so that is what counts. At the end of the day, we are all getting the same thing. I guess we are really discussing the delivery mechanism. Some guys enjoy going to the bookstore and browsing. Other guys prefer to buy the book (and see what others thought of the book) while on Amazon. Eventually they both read the book, and in this scenario, have sex with the girl.
Hessen Bub
04-16-17, 14:48
I've used Kaufmich, but I only picked girls who had reviews. I'd probably use Kaufmich more often if FKK clubs didn't exist of course.Kaufmich deletes negative reviews if the girl requests it.
HB.
Kaufmich deletes negative reviews if the girl requests it.
HB.I don't think I've really read a Kaufmich review. I meant cross-referencing with a board. That seems to be the case with the adultwork site in the UK. The reviews suspiciously seem positive. And the reports are shorter than a Tweet, so instinctively I've always used other boards.
I know I am over stereotyping those three distinct markets, but the larger point I was making was that if you look at the ISG threads in most countries of Europe. Spain, Portugal, Czech Republic, France, United Kingdom, etc. , you will find a trend toward fewer reports of clubs and line-up brothels, and more reports with links to specific ads where a lady is working as an independent, for an agency, or at a very small brothel and her specific service offerings are listed and the customer needs to make an appointment to see her either outcall, at a shared trick pad, at her apartment, or at the small brothel. Those are things made available to a foreigner as a result of technology and efficiency that did not exist that long ago. It has changed the scene in those places and in my unsupportable way of thinking, has likely brought some talent into the business that would not have existed if those ladies had to work long hours at a line-up style brothel.
These countries never had anything comparable in scale and efficiency to German FKK. So if a new business model were to take over, it would not happen overnight. I suppose Spain may have big-scale brothels, but as you say the offerings are inconsistent (I. E. Some CBJ, different prices), which suggests me the operators are hand-off, and perhaps that turned off the local populace and pushed them towards a different scene.
Reading reviews and seeing links works well for me even if the face is blurred out. I am more concerned with body. As long as the photos are relatively recent and not over-photoshopped, I can still be 80% confident that I will be happy with the WG once I see her in person. Other guys are more face-oriented, and put a lot more emphasis on "chemistry".
The local german boards will have more reviews on non-FKK. ISG will be 90% FKK-focused.
Hessen Bub
04-16-17, 16:14
Only been to a club in Spain once. Had four sessions, all included DFK and BBBJ for the standard pricing.
HB.
Member #4581
04-16-17, 16:28
At the true brothels in those specified countries, the offerings differ from lady to lady. The bad news is that some ladies are CBJ, non-GFE. The good news is that most are BBBJ / GFE and there are few, if any, reports of a foreigner being treated differently than a local. She does what she does with little favoritism for locals or regulars. The only exception is at the very large Barcelona brothels with traditional line-ups, where upsells for CIM and anal often occur and those upsells are high. I am not sure that they upsell foreigners more so than locals, because the local Barcelona review board focuses on the smaller brothels that have little or no upsells.
There is a more significant standardization of service amongst independents and agency girls who have their own profile within an agency website listing her services. Most perform exactly what they offer in their online ads, or they get called out on it in reviews and it hurts business. And relatively more reviews on ISG are of independents in Spain and of independents or specific agency ladies in Lisbon.
I know I am over stereotyping those three distinct markets, but the larger point I was making was that if you look at the ISG threads in most countries of Europe. Spain, Portugal, Czech Republic, France, United Kingdom, etc. , you will find a trend toward fewer reports of clubs and line-up brothels, and more reports with links to specific ads where a lady is working as an independent, for an agency, or at a very small brothel and her specific service offerings are listed and the customer needs to make an appointment to see her either outcall, at a shared trick pad, at her apartment, or at the small brothel. Those are things made available to a foreigner as a result of technology and efficiency that did not exist that long ago. It has changed the scene in those places and in my unsupportable way of thinking, has likely brought some talent into the business that would not have existed if those ladies had to work long hours at a line-up style brothel.
I found it interesting that those same changes do not seem to occur in Germany, at least at the same pace. When I go to an a FKK website, I barely see a girl, let alone details about each lady. But the customers seem quite happy with the system, so that is what counts. At the end of the day, we are all getting the same thing. I guess we are really discussing the delivery mechanism. Some guys enjoy going to the bookstore and browsing. Other guys prefer to buy the book (and see what others thought of the book) while on Amazon. Eventually they both read the book, and in this scenario, have sex with the girl.Very well articulated. Thank you.
Traveling to European cities, I face several challenges when using sites to pick girls. First, google would show several sites and unless I am a frequent user already, I don't know which site is reliable. There are dozens of girls obviously, but many are likely photoshopped. The reviews sometimes get translated well on my iPad, sometimes not. Have no idea which review is biased and not, who wrote it, and if the reviewer has an axe to grind. You have to call the girl, make an appointment, figure out how to get to her place, and then do the deed. All of this is a mood killing process.
In a large club like Sharks, even to an occasional visitor like me, several girls' faces are already familiar. Over time, I know what to expect; things don't change all that much. There is enough turnover to make sure the lineup is not stale and to keep me interested, at the same time there are enough regulars to provide safe sessions.
If I am interested in just a single session per day or one to two sessions in a week, picking a girl off the catalog or website would work just fine. That used to be my consumption pattern prior to my FKK discovery. FKKs have changed that model. For one, consumption volumes have increased massively. Where I used to partake a session or two, now it is 15 or more per trip. Someone like YAmaYama takes nearly 30-40 sessions in a 10 day trip, per his reports. I think it is very difficult to consume that many sessions in as many days if I had to do this in a setting outside FKK. For cost, logistics, and feasibility reasons.
Mongerer88
04-16-17, 16:41
These countries never had anything comparable in scale and efficiency to German FKK. So if a new business model were to take over, it would not happen overnight. I suppose Spain may have big-scale brothels, but as you say the offerings are inconsistent (I. E. Some CBJ, different prices), which suggests me the operators are hand-off, and perhaps that turned off the local populace and pushed them towards a different scene.
Reading reviews and seeing links works well for me even if the face is blurred out. I am more concerned with body. As long as the photos are relatively recent and not over-photoshopped, I can still be 80% confident that I will be happy with the WG once I see her in person. Other guys are more face-oriented, and put a lot more emphasis on "chemistry".
The local german boards will have more reviews on non-FKK. ISG will be 90% FKK-focused.I don't mean to get off topic, but personally most of my Spain bookings are with independents, so I am not overly knowledgeable about the brothels and clubs other than what I read from other posters (and a few trips myself to big and small brothels there). Personally I use an agency for the most part in Portugal, but they provide translation and booking for the ladies, not management. Most of the locals seem to prefer independents over either the brothels or an agency.
Your use of the word operators is consistent with the point I was trying to make. It seems that in countries where more of the action, so to speak, is online from an advertisement and review perspective, the trend with respect to the quantity of reviews and the reviews noting the most GFE and specialized services have been toward independents and boutique brothels and agencies, not large scale brothel operations. With FKKs, I understand the efficiencies of putting a lot of less prosperous Eastern European women who do not have a lot of access to start-up capital together with the many business travelers and wealthy German locals.
But it seems to me that in most of Europe the efficiencies have gone the other way. Give a hard-working young lady a smart phone and an Internet ad on an established board, and once she gets a few reviews, she is making a lot of money without the need for overhead and management at a big brothel. But I guess the same thing doesn't work everywhere. Just like the post that started this discussion, some of us love online shopping, others prefer the big shopping mall.
Hessen Bub
04-16-17, 16:48
FKK clubs require less reports or reviews. There's the WYSIWYG effect plus other guys in the clubs who are open to talk about the girls and their service, there's a kind of community around regulars and even foreigners. You just ask a guy if the girl was good or not, if she kissed or not etc.
All other P6 options are anonymous. You do not see other mongers. So there's a demand to exchange reviews and reports online.
HB.
Sebastiane
04-16-17, 17:00
Interesting discussion. Personally I think that in countries with FKK clubs it is a safer option going to them for all the reasons HB has listed. A visit for me at a FKK club is a whole day out with wellness, food, drink and naked girls all included so it's a great way to spend an entire day, especially in the summer. And I can see the girls in the flesh before I decide to go with them.
I sometimes use escorts too and then the online sites are really helpful. The downside with the online escorts is that most escorts sites have photoshopped pictures and you never know exactly what the girl is going to be until she arrives at your hotel. Having said that I've found you can find some agencies that are very professional and give excellent service (review sites like this one or others are a good place to find them). The advantage of escorts is that, if you're willing to pay, the top end high class escorts have girls who are 10's and provide excellent service. And the cost per hour equals that of top FKK girls if you take into account things like extras. The escort experience is a separate experience to the FKK one and both are great in their own way. Some of the most beautiful girls I've ever been with have been escorts in London and Berlin. The other big advantage escorts have over FKKs is that whereas 90% of all girls in FKKs are Romanians / Eastern European with escort agencies it is possible to have sex with girls from almost any nationality and ethnicity especially in large metropolises like London and Berlin.
I prefer FKKs when I'm in Germany but if I'm in another country then I'll go for escorts (or 'freebies' although I've had a lot of success in recent times using sugar daddy sites too in a number of countries); sometimes in Germany I also like to use escorts if I want a bit of a different luxury experience: I'll book a 5 star hotel and then call a hot girl from one of the escort agencies I trust and book her for a few hours to my fancy hotel for a romantic evening. The downside of this is, of course, the cost but it produces a great experience. I did that in Berlin with a Finnish escort last year and she was one of the most beautiful girls I've fucked in my life- a real 10. I've also done the same with a ballerina using a sugar daddy website where I stayed in a Schloss and invited her over for the weekend- fantastic experience!
However overall I prefer the FKKs for 90% of the time and only use escorts in 'dry' countries although recently I'm getting more and more into sugar daddy dating.
In an FKK I can --and often do- 4 or 5 girls in a single day which would be prohibitively expensive using only escorts. And I love the wellness facilities in a place like Sakura although most FKKs have good wellness facilities. (In a 5 star hotel you can also get excellent spa facilities but for a lot more! I agree with the OP who said that the internet has transformed the prostitution business -FKKs are the sole exception). Also have used Kaufmich / adultwork but it is hit and miss with them.
I think the internet has been a great democratiser for sex workers as it offers women the chance to work safely without pimps etc. If they so choose.
PussyLiccker
04-16-17, 17:09
Only been to a club in Spain once. Had four sessions, all included DFK and BBBJ for the standard pricing.
HB.That's pretty good. My luck wasn't so good. I think this can depend on venues, service discussion with girls, and if you strongly pick on gut instincts or not. Mine was quite random of different places. What really gets me is Vive I put so much money down was the worst for service. Mainly EEs sessioned there.
I don't go wholly by chemistry at times. My experience don't show any strong correlation of service level to outside room interaction, if that is meant by chemistry. As long as her attitude isn't bad that is.
There's a tiny difference between shopping for a book online at Amazon and having it sent home to read it and booking a hooker online. Most mongers wouldn't want her to be "delivered" to their homes with the wife and kids around. LOL. Or to book a hotel room. The clubs are providing the platform where girls and boys can meet, talk to each other, there's a big choice of girls depending on the size of the club, there's a certain standard to the service and probably most important for the guys is the wysiwyg effect.
HB.I agree, and I think the difference is more than just a tiny one. I mean, some things just work better and the experience is enhanced with more human interaction versus less. And, I think selecting a female who you want to stick your dick inside of is one of them! Sometimes maybe there is no good alternative to online. Maybe it's all illegal where you're at for example, so you can't go to a club. But anytime you can indeed provide a more open platform for boys and girls to get together and mingle as HB puts it, then I think overall the chances are raised for achieving a better result for everybody involved, tutes and mongers alike.
And, the FKK platform addresses some of the concerns that the opponents of prostitution raise, such as the physical safety of the girls, keeping it off the streets and out of view behind closed doors, and even cleanliness and sanitation at the clubs that are well-maintained. And yet, you have some opponents of the world's oldest profession who will never stop preaching against it because they are at their very core opposed to P4 P in any form or fashion. For these people, FKK clubs or online or on the street, they see no basic difference in the end, and won't be happy until there is no prostitution. Well, good luck with that! Strangers want to fuck each other, and no matter what, they will find a way to do that, including pay for play! That's why it's called the world's oldest profession!
PussyLiccker
04-16-17, 17:56
Reading reviews and seeing links works well for me even if the face is blurred out. I am more concerned with body. As long as the photos are relatively recent and not over-photoshopped, I can still be 80% confident that I will be happy with the WG once I see her in person. Other guys are more face-oriented, and put a lot more emphasis on "chemistry".
Images are snippet of time(is it current?), not wholly a reality, but yeah, face has lots of importance, it's gamble.
Also, look at Globe's airbrushed for example, it's far away from reality. Depends on currentsy and how much the image portreys the reality.
They will try to impress with best images. Also, scamming of fake images are possible if not a reputable agency.
PussyLiccker
04-16-17, 19:01
These countries never had anything comparable in scale and efficiency to German FKK. So if a new business model were to take over, it would not happen overnight. I suppose Spain may have big-scale brothels, but as you say the offerings are inconsistent (I. E. Some CBJ, different prices), which suggests me the operators are hand-off, and perhaps that turned off the local populace and pushed them towards a different scene.
I think the scene is for locals with more disposable income and guys that travel there for more than p6 scene. Looking for Latinas in Europe or closer for short trips.
Germany is of course better suited for pure mongers.
I could see Barcelona being more of the place for travel fun/p6 as an option.
Leaving out Terms, how is the general scene in Sao Paolo, Brazil?
Is it similar? More of a night time gig after doing other stuff during the day?
I've heard there is more of European look girls of various background in those parts? Is that pretty significant compared to the terms?
Also, what is the pricing, and what is included in a typical session? Extras (as considered in De) typically provided in the agreed price? Is is more like Bazar, negotiate prices? Is there services provided commonly on a session to be called "standard?" Do you take girls back to the hotel or are rooms provided in the venues at Sao Paolo?
Hessen Bub
04-16-17, 19:32
That's pretty good. My luck wasn't so good. I think this can depend on venues, service discussion with girls, and if you strongly pick on gut instincts or not. I don't discuss service before going to the room.
HB.
PussyLiccker
04-16-17, 19:33
Can yall link videos or images of examples of typical you seen in parts where European decent communities are around? I assume Sao Paolo is the place.
Like, you checking the towns, is there hot ones in lot of places?
FKK clubs require less reports or reviews. There's the WYSIWYG effect plus other guys in the clubs who are open to talk about the girls and their service, there's a kind of community around regulars and even foreigners. You just ask a guy if the girl was good or not, if she kissed or not etc.
All other P6 options are anonymous. You do not see other mongers. So there's a demand to exchange reviews and reports online.
HB.+1 Couldn't have said better. I will add that FKK sometimes requires more investment in time. Sitting and waiting in club. Striking up conversations with fellow mongers. The only way around that is to collect the WG's whatsapps and pre-schedule, but generally the protocol is to session her a few times before that.
Images are snippet of time(is it current?), not wholly a reality, but yeah, face has lots of importance, it's gamble.
Also, look at Globe's airbrushed for example, it's far away from reality. Depends on currentsy and how much the image portreys the reality.
They will try to impress with best images. Also, scamming of fake images are possible if not a reputable agency.Think OP's point was that if everyone reviewed regularly and often, than there would be reports that would warn you that the escort is using photos from a decade ago.
Personally I use an agency for the most part in Portugal, but they provide translation and booking for the ladies, not management. Most of the locals seem to prefer independents over either the brothels or an agency.
I use freelance and agencies. Freelance offer lower prices because the middleman is cut out. But agencies provide recourse and a formal way to complain. One German freelancer I've used is always too busy to pick up her phone. And she overbooks herself just like the airlines do, because she assume every third customer will no-show. So you show up at the agreed upon time, and then you play this game, where you have to call every 5 minutes until she hopefully picks up. Guess what? It is well documented on boards that she is this unreliable. But she is still in demand despite this!! Because her optics and service are worth the low price she charges, so men are willing to risk losing an entire afternoon or evening.
Give a hard-working young lady a smart phone and an Internet ad on an established board, and once she gets a few reviews, she is making a lot of money without the need for overhead and management at a big brothel. But I guess the same thing doesn't work everywhere.The same thing does not work everywhere. There are plenty of girls who try to freelance in Germany, but the problem is they have to remain price competitive with the German paysex scene. You mention cities where freelance and small agencies have succeeded but none of those cities have paysex options quite like Frankfurt or NRW (price, quantity, quality, convenience).
Many porn stars stop coming to Germany after one or two tours. There should be no surprise why.
Don't assume that FKK girls are not as clever as the ones who put up ads on the Internet. FKK girls can take advantage of the huge marketplace that FKK creates. In FKK, they will see 500 customers per day. More potential customers means more potential targets that they can size up. They know who the 50 EUR guys are. And they know which customers are looking for love in the brothel (I. E. Who will take them out of the club and spoil them).
+1 Couldn't have said better. I will add that FKK sometimes requires more investment in time. Sitting and waiting in club. Striking up conversations with fellow mongers. The only way around that is to collect the WG's whatsapps and pre-schedule, but generally the protocol is to session her a few times before that.Walk into a crowded room of possible choices and across the way you see one of the ugliest chicks you've ever laid eyes on with silicone tits ten years past their expiration date (one was sagging heavily, might have been a slight leakage) and you turn to your newfound ISG buddy and say 'boy that girl hit the ugly tree all the way down', he looks and goes right over and takes her to the room. You just don't know peoples tastes and preferences in person, impossible to know what they like on a review board. And you really don't know what kind of twisted shit they like to do in the rooms. I fucked this chick last night that I gave her a '4' rating in terms of looks (not the girl with the sagging silicon tits), facially she just wasn't all that attractive. But in that dark vip room where you couldn't see her face very well but the service and the nice slim young body was all that was needed. Plus she took a pounding. You just never know until you fork over a bill.
You just don't know peoples tastes and preferences in person, impossible to know what they like on a review board. And you really don't know what kind of twisted shit they like to do in the rooms.I have this problem a lot because I don't find mongers with the same optical tastes as me. Also I am more BBBJ, and less DFK oriented than most other mongers.
But that just means you have to talk to more mongers. I have only sessioned about 10-15 current Shark girls. But I more or less know which girls are generally good service for a wide range of mongers. I mean Milana Serbia, I never sessioned with her, but I know she does long rooms, and many customers seem extremely happy with her. Same for Sandra De. So they'd probably be good for 90 percent of customers.
Leaving out Terms, how is the general scene in Sao Paolo, Brazil?
Is it similar? More of a night time gig after doing other stuff during the day?
I've heard there is more of European look girls of various background in those parts? Is that pretty significant compared to the terms?
Better pose this question to the Cane in the SP thread.
I only went to four venues in Brazil. All were thermas, three in Rio, one in SP. During the day clinicas are open, but they have fewer girls, so I preferred to sight-see.
Didn't see any girls who looked really white to me. Maybe a few were a little exotic. As white as Amor (Bu), who is part-Gypsy BTW. That is about as white as I saw. I saw one WG who resembled Janine (Sharks) facially, but if I saw her in normal light, she may have had skin tone and hair color like Penelope Cruz.
I do Believe that the only reason to use internet to get an Escort is because of the possibility to get a higher class girl who doesn't want to be so exposed in a brothel or waste her time because she has other commitments like school or other work.
But I can also understand that approach in Barcelona because their puticlubs / night brothels are expensive and crappy. I love Vive and Scandalo, taking a drink listening to the Music, watching, chatting and touching the Girls. That's a very big part of the charm for me, without that I would consider staying home.
Mongerer88
04-17-17, 05:26
I do Believe that the only reason to use internet to get an Escort is because of the possibility to get a higher class girl who doesn't want to be so exposed in a brothel or waste her time because she has other commitments like school or other work.
But I can also understand that approach in Barcelona because their puticlubs / night brothels are expensive and crappy. I love Vive and Scandalo, taking a drink listening to the Music, watching, chatting and touching the Girls. That's a very big part of the charm for me, without that I would consider staying home.Barcelona really has two types of brothels. The boutique brothels like Devorah Suites, Farell X, capriciVicbcn and Villaroel that generally encourage or require appointments but provide GFE and BBBJ (often CIM) automatically, with only very minor upsells for Greek, and the bigger brothels like Felinas and la Vien de Rose (I think I butchered the name but I am slightly drunk) where it is much harder to get full GFE unless you happen to pick the right girl.
One thing I like about smaller places in general, as well as what I like about incall with independents and outcall to my hotel with some agencies is that I like the intimacy and privacy of a nice room where I can possibly have or bring some favorite sex toys to make the most of the hour. As always, different strokes for different folks, but that obviously is harder to achieve at an FKK.
Leaving out Terms, how is the general scene in Sao Paolo, Brazil?
Is it similar? More of a night time gig after doing other stuff during the day?
I've heard there is more of European look girls of various background in those parts? Is that pretty significant compared to the terms?
Also, what is the pricing, and what is included in a typical session? Extras (as considered in De) typically provided in the agreed price? Is is more like Bazar, negotiate prices? Is there services provided commonly on a session to be called "standard?" Do you take girls back to the hotel or are rooms provided in the venues at Sao Paolo?Dude,
Weeks ago I sent you by PM a link to my report "Sampling Sampa". You obviously haven't read it. It will tell you tons about the scene in Sao Paulo. I also did another trip report several years ago entitled "The Cane's Latest, Greatest Rio Adventures". That report is still good because it's full of pictures of the girls. Plus, I and others have posted tons and tons of other photos. If you're serious about going to Brazil, please RTFF. All the information you need is already on this site in the relevant sections, and has been provided I don't know how many times! And I say again to you for the last time. There are plenty of European-looking girls in Brazil! Both in Sao Paulo and Rio and beyond, but particularly in the south. In fact, my favorite from my last trip was a gorgeous blue-eyed, blonde of German descent. I described my encounter with her in my report entitled "Sampling Sampa". You keep asking the same questions about Brazil over and over again, and yet, you don't seize upon the information that is openly available to you. RTFF man if you're serious!
I don't discuss service before going to the room.
HB.Me too, but in room, I tell her that, OK it is such and such time now on my watch and I would go one hour or even more from now if the session is good, but if it is bad I got to cut it at 30 minutes. Then I discuss the detail of the session.
Either way, some girls provide good service, some just don't, but in general I am happy.
Sometimes, I have difficulty recalling how some of the girls I fucked, it comes, but it takes me awhile.
But on the other hand, why is it I remember so clearly how bar maids at FKK looks like LOL.
I'm surprised Roms get such a bad rap here, without them most of the FKKs would shut down LOL.
They usually provide good service and most are good looking IMO, just as many sharks from other countries.
I got blonde half swedish and german once in artemis.Well, if it floats your boat, Liz (sharks and former Artemis / GT) is 1/4 Swedish.
Jnpr: let's just agree to disagree. And I think the economic discussion got a bit derailed there from my initial connection to liberal views (especially when you disconnect the marketing part and the high tech stock valuation) which is what I know the most about. Perhaps you focus more on other economic terms which I personally find irrelevant in this discussion. So I'm putting a cover on that discussion.
When it comes to FKK or online ads, you do make some of the best arguments Jnpr.
I have to add one think mentioned here regarding online reviews. In many cases it is a pimp, or even the girls themselves writing them. Thus I never read them, or at least I analyze carefully how they are written and look into the history of the poster. It is not often i go for locally advertised internet girls, but I do see slightly less photoshops now and more accurate pictures, as well as a notch higher quality on the girls than in the past (could be just here). Still too many of the girls swear to hiding their faces, and I think that will continue. Thus I don't feel confident about it. Many girls also have 3+ ads on the same sites where 2+ are 100 copies of a different girl somewhere in Europe. Even natural looking pics can be fake. But handwritten signs added on the photos can fix that issue. Still I do much prefer the relaxed FKK atmosphere to walking on the street looking for some apartment girl. The scenery is a huge mood boost for me, maybe that's why I don't look too much into some of the more run down nrw clubs also.
The cost for the girls topic is also relevant here. But do note that even if the girl saves entrance money when working from apartments, the rent is higher when she uses airbnb (I see less and less hotel booked girls and more and more airbnb) as opposed to staying at an FKK or renting a flat in one city near the FKK. Also, most apartment girls travel more, so the travelling costs are high. And the need for safety from a pimp goes up radically when working alone from an apartment (and pimps are expensive). In most countries at least. Where I live
Most apartment tutes are extremely selective on nationalism and ethnic background based on safety reasons also and when I say extremely, that's an understatement. Specially among the Russian apartment girls.
Solo Traveler
04-17-17, 22:54
In fact, my favorite from my last trip was a gorgeous blue-eyed, blonde of German descent. I described my encounter with her in my report entitled "Sampling Sampa". You keep asking the same questions about Brazil over and over again, and yet, you don't seize upon the information that is openly available to you. RTFF man if you're serious!Now, this is insane. The Romanian girls working in German FKK Sauna clubs look more like Latinos than Europeans! Many of them can get a pass for being Brazilians.
So, basically, I just find out I'm a fool to travel to Germany to meet lots of Latinos-look-alike, while girls in Brazil are actually more European-look-alike.
Thanks for the information shared, Cane.
I just started RTFF about Brazil lately. LOL.
Well, if it floats your boat, Liz (sharks and former artemis / GT) is 1/4 swedish.
Jnpr: lets just agree to disagree. And I think the economic discussion got a bit derailed there from my initial connection to liberal views (especially when you disconnect the marketing part and the high tech stock valuation) which is what I know the most about. Perhaps you focus more on other economic terms which I personally find irrelevant in this discussion. So I'm putting a cover on that discussion.
When it comes to fkk or online ads, you do make some of the best arguments jnpr...
I have to add one think mentionned here regarding online reviews. In many cases it is a pimp, or even the girls themselves writing them. Thus I never read them, or at least I analyze carefully how they are written and look into the history of the poster. It is not often i go for locally advertised internet girls, but I do see slightly less photoshops now and more accurate pictures, as well as a notch higher quality on the girls than in the past (could be just here). Still too many of the girls swear to hiding their faces, and I think that will continue. Thus I don't feel confident about it. Many girls also have 3+ ads on the same sites where 2+ are 100 copies of a different girl somewhere in europe..It is funny because I never found sharks to be good club to my taste I only went in two different occasions and it was hard to find stunners, and stunners at palace suit me best and I am talking german table front of smoking room in palace, some girls there are what I call stunners, though plastic bothers me a bit with bit of tattoo.
As for online ad etc, man, what I love about FKK is that you can see the girl you fuck and choose, and some girls are escort too in FKK, they work part time in FKK when they got no client, this half Swedish Kimmi was escort in Berlin and she was former palace too, but met her at Artemis.
So seeing and choosing part is big plus for FKK and in escort, online ad etc. You got to rely on other peoples taste for selection.
UltraHappy
04-18-17, 02:02
Now, this is insane. The Romanian girls working in German FKK Sauna clubs look more like Latinos than Europeans! Many of them can get a pass for being Brazilians.
This is simply not true. You fill a room with 100 Romanians and another room with 100 Brazilians -- you will see two starkly different looking groups. Yes, there will always be outliers but on average, the Romanians look very European.
I very much prefer the look of the Romanians over the look of Brazilians -- for sure. Brazilians are on average more heavy set, bigger in the booty and hips and have a much wider variety of skin tones.
MrHo: I agree Kylie is a stunner from that table. But the other germans there at that table are not my cup of tea.
MrHo: I agree Kylie is a stunner from that table. But the other germans there at that table are not my cup of tea.Jenny.
But Mr Pistons, we got the same taste, at least same direction. Now I ask you about line up and you can ask me too LOL.
Now, this is insane. The Romanian girls working in German FKK Sauna clubs look more like Latinos than Europeans! Many of them can get a pass for being Brazilians.
So, basically, I just find out I'm a fool to travel to Germany to meet lots of Latinos-look-alike, while girls in Brazil are actually more European-look-alike.
Thanks for the information shared, Cane.
I just started RTFF about Brazil lately. LOL.That is why Ro at German FKK claim to be Latinos like Spanish or Italian LOL LOL LOL.
Well that is mostly in Hessen, Berlin area and in NRW, most Ro tells you they are Ro.
However, now some Ro claim to be Russian. Well Russian ethnics are widely spread, but it also start with the letter are, maybe that is why LOL LOL.
For sure. Brazilians are on average more heavy set, bigger in the booty and hips and have a much wider variety of skin tones.Totally depends on what part of Brazil you're in. Southern Brazil is full of blondes of German and Italian descent. It's where people go looking for the next super model LOL!
PussyLiccker
04-18-17, 13:24
I could see MrHo putting Kylie as stunner category, and have some sense into what he looks for I'd this is the case, but Liz I really doubt he would. Doesn't matter is she has any Swedish or not. The bod is not tight (maybe she was in the past), more GND.
I would bet Jane, GT or at YY, if he does run into her would be up his alley. German with Rus background.
Hessen Bub
04-18-17, 15:54
Now, this is insane. The Romanian girls working in German FKK Sauna clubs look more like Latinos than Europeans! Many of them can get a pass for being Brazilians.
So, basically, I just find out I'm a fool to travel to Germany to meet lots of Latinos-look-alike, while girls in Brazil are actually more European-look-alike.
Thanks for the information shared, Cane.
I just started RTFF about Brazil lately. LOL.Actually you find a huge variety in Romanian girls. From dark brown skin, black hair and brown eyes with the țigan look to Latino lookalikes to blonde girls with blue eyes and middle European features. Some have the typical Balkan facial features, others are more Russian looking.
HB.
PussyLiccker
04-18-17, 16:21
Totally depends on what part of Brazil you're in. Southern Brazil is full of blondes of German and Italian descent. It's where people go looking for the next super model LOL!I understand that, and read the report.
Question is, is there videos or images (not of WGs) of regular girls in those parts I'd expect?
I like to get a general idea of avg looks of girls in those parts.
On YouTube, you can find plenty of Thai street vids, but for Brazil, don't see tourist videos of those parts. Like one a guy walking down the town and showing the girls on the streets.
Question is, is there videos or images (not of WGs) of regular girls in those parts I'd expect?
I like to get a general idea of avg looks of girls in those parts.
On YouTube, you can find plenty of Thai street vids, but for Brazil, don't see tourist videos of those parts.If you want to see normal girls, download Tinder. Upgrade to non-free version. That allows you to set your city to "Sao Paulo".
Of course, the hottest girls will be models. Not representative of general population and just trying to build up their Instagram followers. The other misleading thing is that most of the Europeans will be tourists. Probably backpackers from Australia. I guess if you see some Portuguese writing on their profile, that is the best indicator that they are local.
If you are too cheap for Tinder, look for events in Sao Paolo on FB. Or an SP nightclub's photos. If it's an event, you can see who is attending, interested in attending etc. You can click around profiles.
Totally depends on what part of Brazil you're in. Southern Brazil is full of blondes of German and Italian descent. It's where people go looking for the next super model LOL!And that is where pro mongers go for our definition of super models to abuse LOL.
I could see MrHo putting Kylie as stunner category, and have some sense into what he looks for I'd this is the case, but Liz I really doubt he would. Doesn't matter is she has any Swedish or not. The bod is not tight (maybe she was in the past), more GND.
I would bet Jane, GT or at YY, if he does run into her would be up his alley. German with Rus background.This Jane girl, didn't she worked in Artemis for awhile? There was half Russian half German girl who was at artemis by name of Anya at Artemis and she was former GT and real blonde blue eyed stunner, no tattoo and no silicone, but real beauty, I think that is Jane. If so I went with her every day, so you are right LOL.
Well mr pistons and mr pussylicker seems to have same direction of taste as me LOL I like typical definition of beautiful girls LOL race do not matter to me much but many tend to be German born girls with certain decent thanks to immigration policy of Germany, and some of my stunner favs are pure German.
PussyLiccker
04-19-17, 17:42
I dunno if she worked at Artemis. Supposedly, she came from Hamburg. I recall her saying her parents were Russian, but grew up in Germany.
No silicones, and nice natural see-cups. She did have tattoo, but forget where. I was in the dressing room ready to leave, and she was undressing right next to me with her tits out, and I was like damn! Nice friendly smile and demeanor. Too bad.
The images not revealing enough. The info on Sexdo is not accurate, she can't be 20. Probably low to mid 20's I'm guessing. Looks womanly.
https://sexdo.com/61476-jane
I recall her saying her parents were Russian, but grew up in Germany.Same with Steffi who used to be over at Oase. Well, at least her mom was Russian, which is what she told me. One of my favorite tutes of all time on any continent. She was most definitely first team All-Pro (All-Prostitute). LOL!
I dunno if she worked at Artemis. Supposedly, she came from Hamburg. I recall her saying her parents were Russian, but grew up in Germany.
No silicones, and nice natural see-cups. She did have tattoo, but forget where. I was in the dressing room ready to leave, and she was undressing right next to me with her tits out, and I was like damn! Nice friendly smile and demeanor. Too bad.
The images not revealing enough. The info on Sexdo is not accurate, she can't be 20. Probably low to mid 20's I'm guessing. Looks womanly.
https://sexdo.com/61476-janeIf she did have tattoo, it is a little one, but I do not recall. Hmmm. Well one I had at Artemis matches your description, but she was real stunner and all natural and young.
Well guys, aren't we lucky to keep on tasting such beauties on and on each year, each month, each day LOL.
We live in good era of time LOL.
Never seen anybody here bring up India before. New Delhi has more reports then Bangkok, and three times more than Rio de Janeiro. Is New Delhi not a good destination? Unsafe?
Never seen anybody here bring up India before. New Delhi has more reports then Bangkok, and three times more than Rio de Janeiro. Is New Delhi not a good destination? Unsafe?I was there, it is not good to my standard of taste, you do not get Bollywood star level to fuck there and those Bollywood stars are actually very ugly without makeup, they only look good because of make up, and they paint their faces LOL.
For best cafe Au lait skin, go for mixed with German and brown people in German FKK, thanks to German immigration policy, there are many half white German and half brown people and they look good and I sometimes take to have some exotic Baghdad style sex LOL LOL!
Never seen anybody here bring up India before. New Delhi has more reports then Bangkok, and three times more than Rio de Janeiro. Is New Delhi not a good destination? Unsafe?Bangkok and New Delhi (for guys) are quite safe, I don't count cheating taxi drivers as unsafe (but both Thai and Indian girls useally aren't my spec) but in Rio or same in Sao Paulo I'm always under highest safety alert. Despite many business trips to SP I've never used P6 services in SP. Ok my stays were usually max only two days there and one day later I was back around high noon in Frankfurt and drove quite often directly to Oase.
Bangkok and New Delhi (for guys) are quite safe, I don't count cheating taxi drivers as unsafe (but both Thai and Indian girls useally aren't my spec) but in Rio or same in Sao Paulo I'm always under highest safety alert. Despite many business trips to SP I've never used P6 services in SP. Ok my stays were usually max only two days there and one day later I was back around high noon in Frankfurt and drove quite often directly to Oase.It is my eternal wonder why some folks marry Thai women for example. Thai is one of the biggest place one go for tutes. Why marry them? Just buy them for period of time you wish for very cheap price. Same goes for many places in the world.
I think some folks are mazo or just so damn that they do not figure just a simple truth LOL.
If you want to see normal girls, download Tinder. Upgrade to non-free version. That allows you to set your city to "Sao Paulo".
Of course, the hottest girls will be models. Not representative of general population and just trying to build up their Instagram followers. The other misleading thing is that most of the Europeans will be tourists. Probably backpackers from Australia. I guess if you see some Portuguese writing on their profile, that is the best indicator that they are local.
If you are too cheap for Tinder, look for events in Sao Paolo on FB. Or an SP nightclub's photos. If it's an event, you can see who is attending, interested in attending etc. You can click around profiles.What is normal girls? They are all tutes in one way or another LOL.
If you want to see normal girls, download Tinder. Upgrade to non-free version. That allows you to set your city to "Sao Paulo".
Of course, the hottest girls will be models. Not representative of general population and just trying to build up their Instagram followers. The other misleading thing is that most of the Europeans will be tourists. Probably backpackers from Australia. I guess if you see some Portuguese writing on their profile, that is the best indicator that they are local.
If you are too cheap for Tinder, look for events in Sao Paolo on FB. Or an SP nightclub's photos. If it's an event, you can see who is attending, interested in attending etc. You can click around profiles.I already did this in tinder for Rio. And my comparison was for Moscow and Kiev and Odesa. The girls I saw for Rio was usually in a heavier set. And not even comparable with Moscow and Kiev and Odessa. But maybe the real beuatiful girls not using tinder there. I don't know. But I feel like I will be disappointed in Brasil in means of talent so I never try. It is a big gamble with 1000 USD flight ticket.
Thai and Indian girls useally aren't my specLower-bottom heavy girls don't appeal to me, so Brazil was disappointing. But I am sure if I went to five venues and each had 200 WGs, I would have found some Brazilians to my liking.
Is the scene in India convenient? I don't want to wander around the city by taxi and each place only has three WGs.
Lower-bottom heavy girls don't appeal to me, so Brazil was disappointing. There you have it, different tastes, and that's why questions like "which country has the most attractive girls" are pointless.
There you have it, different tastes, and that's why questions like "which country has the most attractive girls" are pointless."Lower bottom-heavy", anal providing, pink butt hole, European-looking, attractive Brazilian blondes. My kryptonite! Also tanned, bubble-butt morenas! And this whole thing of wanting to look at videos of the general Brazilian populace as if that's going to tell you what "most" Brazilian women look like it pretty silly. It's a rainbow nation and one of the most diverse countries on earth! Just like the United States where attempting to do the same exercise would be equally silly! Therefore, there really is no "typical" look. You're going to find just about anything and everything, including native American looking people in certain parts of the country. Well, I'm through trying to convince other people. I know that I can find without fail what I like. And in the final analysis, that's all I care about!
There you have it, different tastes, and that's why questions like "which country has the most attractive girls" are pointless.Go to Artemis, you will find many fat ass LOL.
Banana Boi
04-20-17, 22:34
(but both Thai and Indian girls useally aren't my spec) Is it Thai bodies, face, or skin color? I never thought I would like Thai girls since I have always chosen a European girl over an Asian girl before. Now that I know how fun Thai girls can be I'm considering switching to Thai.
These are the types of places I go to twice a week. Definitely more fun than a FKK imo. FKK is cheaper though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0ooPcCby-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UOPDq0opJ8
It is my eternal wonder why some folks marry Thai women for example. Thai is one of the biggest place one go for tutes. Why marry them?
Never thought I would fall for one but I may have. I haven't cut off the 100,000 other working girls in Pattaya yet but it's getting close.
Lower-bottom heavy girls don't appeal to me, so Brazil was disappointing. But I am sure if I went to five venues and each had 200 WGs, I would have found some Brazilians to my liking.I agree. And what is wrong with the world when we see this new big ass fad? Girls are even doing surgery to increase their asses. It is like a surgery to get less attractive. Some people have completely lost their minds. Nicki Minaj who I considered cute and hot when she first broke through is the worst of the worst along with the kardashians. Way to make average 4s who cant either sing nor do anything interesting into media superstars?
BB: But its not like there is a water festival every week ☺
Thailand is great for the sun, jungle and beach. And there are top girls, but available top girls can be hard to find sometimes. So when I went there (been a few times), I tend to stick to the same 2-3 girls. And the search for these top girls can get so annoying that I've figured girls in Thailand just has to be a bonus. Of course I have some on line and facebook. But I've yet to get that 10. Had one once or twice, but ditched for various reasons. The whole country seems to be drained of top talent by foreigners taking them abroad... so most bargirls, gogo girls or night club girls or masseuses or anything are quite low standard for me. Easily below fkk's in average.
Banana Boi
04-21-17, 00:34
And there are top girls, but available top girls can be hard to find sometimes. So when I went there (been a few times), I tend to stick to the same 2-3 girls.Sorry I don't recall your posts in the forum when you visited. Can you remind me which places you were looking for the girls and your budget for a girl?
edit - I've searched the entire forum and don't see a single post from you there. What years did you go?
Is it Thai bodies, face, or skin color? I never thought I would like Thai girls since I have always chosen a European girl over an Asian girl before. Now that I know how fun Thai girls can be I'm considering switching to Thai.
Never thought I would fall for one but I may have. I haven't cut off the 100,000 other working girls in Pattaya yet but it's getting close.Well people got different taste, I mean white folks tend to like monkey type girls in Philippines, where as I like Eurasians. , which has synergy affect in KTV in Manila because they go for monkey face girls, and I go for Eurasians LOL.
Therefore, no competition or hurry in KTV for me with western folks LOL.
Like in FKK, I see stunners free and some fat girls or plastic monster being busy sometimes LOL People sometimes seems to have different taste.
"Lower bottom-heavy", anal providing, pink butt hole, European-looking, attractive Brazilian blondes. My kryptonite! Also tanned, bubble-butt morenas! And this whole thing of wanting to look at videos of the general Brazilian populace as if that's going to tell you what "most" Brazilian women look like it pretty silly. It's a rainbow nation and one of the most diverse countries on earth! Just like the United States where attempting to do the same exercise would be equally silly! Therefore, there really is no "typical" look. You're going to find just about anything and everything, including native American looking people in certain parts of the country. Well, I'm through trying to convince other people. I know that I can find without fail what I like. And in the final analysis, that's all I care about!Personally, I do not enjoy fucking big ass anal, but I do love fucking fit body skinny tight ass anal LOL. Tight ass anal is more of my thing than Latino type ass anal.
I had a girl at Oase tell me that I was not "normal" because I was patronizing an FKK. I wasn't sure how to take that at first. I mean, was she trying to insult me or what? It was actually somebody who I had a great session with. Then it hit me last night. I could have retorted that she wasn't normal for working there! But, that's actually not what I believe. What I believe is that she and I, and people like us, are actually quite normal. Very! What goes on at an FKK club would be going on all over the place all over the world but for societal norms trying to tamp in down and eliminate the "behavior". The world's oldest profession. The world's oldest profession people! It's what human beings, if left to their own devices, would engage in. Therefore, in my view it's all quite normal, and the girl who said that too me is still letting the voice of society get inside of her head and tell her what she' doing is not normal. And what she did was project that onto me and other guys who enjoy buying sex. This is what she did.
FKK girls = more girl next door and more obedient. Less hassle to get what you want. 95% of girls are also very submissive and will do what you say on command. They make you feel like a king. These girls are not very playful outside of the room. I think a Romanian girl has made me laugh maybe once, but I can't remember it.
Thailand is cheaper, better value and more girls but you will have trouble with girls who won't do this and won't do that where at an FKK you just grab the girl BBBJ included, only ever seen one girl who won't CIM and probably 80% do anal. Thai girls are much, much more entertaining outside of the room and will keep you company and tell funny jokes for free or so long as you buy them lady drinks. Some Thai people are also very charming, while Romanians seem to be mostly about the body.
Personally I prefer Romanians, but with the new BBBJ law I might have to start learning the tricks of the trade of Thailand.
Sorry I don't recall your posts in the forum when you visited. Can you remind me which places you were looking for the girls and your budget for a girl?
edit - I've searched the entire forum and don't see a single post from you there. What years did you go?First time I was in thailand was in 2008. Found a girl in a phuket club (Hollywood) who I didn't pay a dime to who i stayed with whole trip. But I figurred she was normally a tute working in pattaya anyway, and she tried the standard hospital scam on me (did you know there is an actual physical black book for scamming tourists in thailand?). Went back twice in 2010. And lived in asia in 2011. Plus more trips back to asia between 2012 and Sept. 2014 when I was there last time. But not used ISG for that. ****** for macau and ********forum for thailand / singapore / philippines. But I was not too active on reports. Except for in macau, but keeping my nick secret. But also been clubbing alot without paying them. So in total I've spent about 20 months in asia.
I've been all over south east asia and hk/macau/guangdong... ok, the only thing I havent done, is searching out some strange areas famous for having good girls. Like the island of Samar (Calbayog/Catarman especially), or the city of Udon Thani. Or obscure places in vietnam etc... but yes, there can be dousins or hundreads of strange mixed little Pistons running around in asia for all I know. lol
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Personally, I do not enjoy fucking big ass anal, but I do love fucking fit body skinny tight ass anal LOL. Tight ass anal is more of my thing than Latino type ass anal.Them plump, Euro-Brazilian, butt holes are tight dude! So tight in fact that sometimes they hurt my dick haha! Damn, remembering all these Brazilian girls I cornholed is making my dick hard! LOLOLOL!
What about these "tight" Brasiliera butt holes? Better? Hehehe! Damn I've fucked a lot of pretty girls in the butt over the years!
This is one of my favorite shots of all time because of the mirror effects. Euro-Brazilian blonde with an Aryan anus so tight I nicknamed her "The Pincher". Ouch! Didn't stop me from digging deep up in there though! Hahaha! Is she a "stunner" Mr. Ho? Hmm? Or, is that butt too big? I don't give a damn! I paid for that ass LOL! And loved ever bit of it too! I sure did! Viva Brazil!
I recently witnessed a girl quote an older guy $400 for full service (in the states). This girl is known to many of my friends to give it up for as little as $100. Why the huge price difference? I'm assuming it's because she doesn't want to fuck such an old looking guy. Does a working girl have the right to pick and choose who she fucks?
Yes she has, and you may get turned down but it is very rare. Someone on this forum posted a very good explanation of girl's priorities. For example an older guy with some money will be preferred over a young stud who is broke, etc. If you are and look clean and civilized age will not matter at all to girls. Young guys can be problematic even if they're good-looking, for instance I've had girls complaining about young guys on Viagra who pounded them for whole hours.So the answer is 'yes she has the right' to pick and choose a younger guy vs an older guy. Then why if the person is of color gets turned down she's a racist?
Banana Boi
04-21-17, 22:06
I think you missed the point on why I asked what I did Pistons. You said it's difficult to find hot girls in Thailand. Imo guys who post this generally try to go to the routes where it is cheapest place to find a girl. Not that you can't run into an odd gem freelancer but it certainly is difficult. It's akin to a guy who goes to Germany then goes to the Frankfurt RLD or partytreff clubs and says there aren't any hot girls available in Germany. Walk into a top gogo bar like Sensations in Pattaya and tell me there are no girls to your liking there. Most guys on ISG don't set foot in there since they aren't willing to dish out 250+ euro for a girl.
Well people got different taste, I mean white folks tend to like monkey type girls in Philippines, where as I like Eurasians. OMG this is funny. Yes, many men go for the monkey look in Southeast Asia. I guess they think it's exotic. Like you I only go for the Eurasians. One of my girlfriends was half Thai, half Italian. Another was half Thai, half German. Looks 100% German. I show photos of my current girlfriend and although she is full Thai people can't believe it.
UltraHappy
04-21-17, 23:11
I think you missed the point on why I asked what I did Pistons. You said it's difficult to find hot girls in Thailand. Imo guys who post this generally try to go to the routes where it is cheapest place to find a girl. Not that you can't run into an odd gem freelancer but it certainly is difficult. It's akin to a guy who goes to Germany then goes to the Frankfurt RLD or partytreff clubs and says there aren't any hot girls available in Germany. Walk into a top gogo bar like Sensations in Pattaya and tell me there are no girls to your liking there. Most guys on ISG don't set foot in there since they aren't willing to dish out 250+ euro for a girl.
For me, it seems more sensible to ask, "What would I get in Thailand for 100 Euros?" (if we assume ST = about an hour) since that's the price we pay for an hour in FKK. Granted, in Thailand, you must pay barfine and in Germany, we pay Eintritt, so that factors in as well.
For me, I ask myself why I would fly all the way to Thailand and pay 100 Euros for an hour with a comparable Thai girl when I've got incredible Romanian girls willing to do everything I could possibly want for 100 Euros?
Maybe I misunderstand the prices in Thailand, but from looking around the Asian forums, it seems that around 100 Euros is not atypical for 1 hour short time with a Thai girl.
Banana Boi
04-21-17, 23:50
Thailand pricing. I'll be specific to Pattaya since that is where I live.
100 euro = 3600 baht.
Beach Road freelancer - 700-1000 baht per 30-60 minutes. One of the prettiest I saw on Beach Road was 700 baht where many uglies demand 1000 baht.
BJ bar - 500 baht for BBBJ + CIM plus 300 to the bar + 100-200 for a drink.
Massage girl - 1000 baht to the girl, 200 baht to the massage parlor for 30-60 minutes.
Soi 6 girl - 1000 baht to the girl, 350 baht bar fine per hour and you do get the full hour.
IBar / Insomnia disco girl - 1500-2000 baht short time (ST) which can be 1 hour to 4 hours depending on the girl and how much she cares to be with you. 2000-3000 Long Time.
Beer bar girls. A bit cheaper than as iBar above but there will be a bar fine of 300-500 baht.
Soapie massage - 1800-7500 baht (Russian) for 90 minutes all-inclusive. Anything decent is 3000+.
Gogo bars.
- 150-200 baht for DFK and lap dancing for 15 minutes.
- barfine (the cost to take a girl out of the bar) can range from 800-2000 baht.
- take out can vary widely on girl quality and club. Short time can be 1500-3000 for 1-4 hours. Long time can 2000-7000 for 3-12 hours. Average ST would be 3000, LT 5000.
A typical night can be comparable to a FKK day. 4 girls including lobster dinner (5000 baht), high end disco (5000 baht), some cheap shopping at street vendors for hats, earrings (1000 baht), and tip to the girls the next afternoon (12,000 baht) totaling 23,000 baht (640 euro).
For me, I ask myself why I would fly all the way to Thailand and pay 100 Euros for an hour with a comparable Thai girl when I've got incredible Romanian girls willing to do everything I could possibly want for 100 Euros?
FKK's are just a different experience. Cookie cutter meat markets where you go in, pick a girl, bang her, pay her. With a few exceptions, you get to be with your FKK girl for the amount of time you pay her only. Really nothing wrong with that if that's all you want. Thailand is just a different experience. Hang out with a girl for a while buying her some drinks, take her to dinner/movie/discos, fuck her before bed, sleep, fuck her again, go for breakfast. Some leave since they have kids. Others stick around all day until they have to go back to work.
The major difference is in Pattaya there are maybe 50,000 girls working on any given day. In Frankfurt big 5 FKK's there are 500-700 on a good day. That's why there are many dogs in Pattaya. Just pure numbers available for Cheap Charlies and guys who seek the best of the best.
"What would I get in Thailand for 100 Euros?".You can't compare an FKK club to Thailand, its like comparing a single grape to an entire orchard. The sheer numbers are staggering and don't believe the guys who say the quality isn't there. Then there's all the extra's you can do during the day like hitting the beach, grabbing a massage, hitting the bars, playing some pool, etc. And usually if you repeat with the girl AO is given, nothing better than spending 100 euro's and pounding a hot girl all night and then waking up and sliding it in while she sleeps. Buddy of mine and I also gangbanged two sisters AO, 100 euro's each for four hours of fun. And in Pattaya its easy to find girls willing to stay all night from anywhere from 30 to 100 euro's. You will find dud's, everyone runs into them. But when you find a keeper, that's when things get interesting.
Thanks for the price update for Thailand. Is this still valid that Pattaya is the cheapest place in Thailand and that average price at Bangkok and Phuket is around between 30 and 50 % more expansive?
And I see in total a large price increase over the last ten years in Thailand for P6 different to Germany where official price is same for around twenty years. But I think this will change in Germany in July.
Banana Boi
04-22-17, 00:30
I don't think the 3 cities vary widely in pricing. I think Phuket is the most expensive only because it's mainly for tourists. Pattaya gogo bar barfines and possibly rates are more expensive than Bangkok. Bangkok lady drinks may be 1 euro more. Bangkok is much smaller scale than Pattaya numbers wise. Maybe Syzygies can update us on BKK pricing.
BKK pricing from my limited experience. I mainly only go to Thermae for my girls.
- Thermae - 2500 set price for one hour at your hotel. Service varies widely.
- oily massage - 2000-3000 for 90 minutes.
- Baccara gogo - 2500 for girl for 2+ hours plus 800 barfine.
Thermae video. Not representative of what Thermae can be like but this is the only recent video of Thermae I know of. Start at 1:30. First part of video are ladyboys outside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NczOig0hcM&t=250s
I had a girl at Oase tell me that I was not "normal" because I was patronizing an FKK. I wasn't sure how to take that at first. I mean, was she trying to insult me or what? It was actually somebody who I had a great session with. Then it hit me last night. I could have retorted that she wasn't normal for working there! But, that's actually not what I believe. What I believe is that she and I, and people like us, are actually quite normal. Very! What goes on at an FKK club would be going on all over the place all over the world but for societal norms trying to tamp in down and eliminate the "behavior". The world's oldest profession. The world's oldest profession people! It's what human beings, if left to their own devices, would engage in. Therefore, in my view it's all quite normal, and the girl who said that too me is still letting the voice of society get inside of her head and tell her what she' doing is not normal. And what she did was project that onto me and other guys who enjoy buying sex. This is what she did.Marriage and normal way is different to each era.
Now these thing are consumed in to extreme capitalism and has totally different meaning to our parent or grand parent days. It is all polluted now, thanks to information revolution via internet etc. Girls and men, we both got smarter and began to think rationally.
In such era we live in today, we men are all buying sex in one way or another, but some men are stupid and blind to see or admit it.
Like they say, love make you blind.
On the other hand, we pro mongers who are more enlighten and see things through to accuracy, just go for most efficient method of getting ourselves heaven.
For pro mongers, fate, destiny and karma are meeting stunners in German FKK or related brothel LOL.
I had such a destined, fateful meeting with love of my life in German FKK, what nights, what nights LOL.
One fine day, these girls will be wife of some damn ass who believe she was working in humanitarian organization like UNICEF.
Well she was very humanitarian to me LOL LOL LOL And it was not UNICEF, but it was humanitarian organization called Palace, Artemis, Oase, sharks, GT, Oceans or LR LOL.
And it was not NPO, but big time PO LOL.
This is one of my favorite shots of all time because of the mirror effects. Euro-Brazilian blonde with an Aryan anus so tight I nicknamed her "The Pincher". Ouch! Didn't stop me from digging deep up in there though! Hahaha! Is she a "stunner" Mr. Ho? Hmm? Or, is that butt too big? I don't give a damn! I paid for that ass LOL! And loved ever bit of it too! I sure did! Viva Brazil!Yeah it is fit body, this is good one, but I never get these Kim Khardashian type ass hype that are trend on some guys nowadays.
It is good thing that white folks invaded south america centuries ago, which mass produced many stunners that seems to be around nowadays.
As for now, we still got the main source Germany as mongering destination LOL Thanks god for that, it must be such a master race brain that provide us such services called FKK LOL.
. Walk into a top gogo bar like Sensations in Pattaya and tell me there are no girls to your liking there. Most guys on ISG don't set foot in there since they aren't willing to dish out 250+ euro for a girl. I did say I had been everywhere, so I got your question right I think. That includes Sensations, Baccara (patt and soi cowboy), rainbow bars, and every single other top gogo bar. Also all the top 20 ish soapies in bkk. And a shitloads of other places. From top gentlemens clubs (ktv's), local bars for freelancers, soi 6 patt, massage girls in normal massage places, freelancer nightclubs (ibar, insomnia, hollywood, that russian club in patt, and some 15-20 clubs in bkk). So I know bkk, patt and phuket too well. Best GFE I get in thailand are the mall girls I hit up in clothes stores in the patt or bkk shopping malls. Oh yes! Some are hot, and especially in patt the girls / guys ratio is bad for them. So easy pickings and girls are frustrated working 12 hours a day in a 'good job' trying to be a 'good girl'. lol. Basically every walking thing with a pussy in thailand is up for sale. Even had a few russian tourists there...
But there are stars there. Last time I had a girl from baccara patt who mounted me in the pool at my airbnb house uncapped for a 2 hours long poolfuck with these sculptures hanging out over the pool where she did semi pull ups. lol. So you can do these fancy things in a place like that which is not doable in fkk's. She was hot as fuck also. Little fake blonde acrobatic girl.
Banana Boi
04-22-17, 04:44
Best GFE I get in thailand are the mall girls I hit up in clothes stores in the patt or bkk shopping malls. Oh yes! Some are hot, and especially in patt the girls / guys ratio is bad for them. So easy pickings and girls are frustrated working 12 hours a day in a 'good job' trying to be a 'good girl'. lol. Basically every walking thing with a pussy in thailand is up for sale. Ok now you're talking about the seemingly taboo topic in Thailand that no one on ISG mentions, the regulars girls just everywhere not really 'working girls' but more than interested in guys talking to them. This is what makes Thailand kick Germany's ass as a better place to hobby on every single level. My current GF falls into this category. Bumped into her on 2nd Road and started talking. She says she's seen me walking around for months and always wanted to talk to me.
Have you been to Thaniya Road in Bangkok?
Top thai ass girl for TheCane (pic) works(ed) at rainbow 2/ nana plaza. One of the top 10 doggie girls I've had in my life. The shape of that ass has the x factor you won't see again. Carrie at Artemis has some simillair x factor ass. Alina at Oceans is also an x factor in that area. And other fkk girls too. That type of ass in asia is not too common though. But I've found it among chongqing girls in china also and even the odd hunan and guangdong girl. This rainbow 2 girl has some rare genes that stands out though. Seeing her dance on stage in lingerie made me a rainbow 2 fan for awhile. I guess dancing on stage like that helps their ass shape too...
BB: thaniya road, isnt that Patpong? Ofcourse, but I find the girls hotter at other places... some or the racist japanese (jacuuza) has stolen some top talent there hiding it from the rest of us. But I once hit one 10 girl who works for these japanese yacuuza houses, and did her before and after her work for a few days. Just hit her up on the street.
Edit: I said every walking thing with a pussy is for sale in thailand. I have to correct myself considering the uptick in the amount of heshe's in thailand, you can probably include half the males also soon. Lol. So TheCane can get some very tight asses there if he really wants it. Haha
Edit: I said every walking thing with a pussy is for sale in thailand. I have to correct myself considering the uptick in the amount of heshe's in thailand, you can probably include half the males also soon. Lol. So TheCane can get some very tight asses there if he really wants it. HahaI have mongered in Thailand and got some ass there. I remember I butt fucked this girl going by Nana at one of the oilies. But, what I found was that getting "A-level" was harder in Thailand than in several other countries I've been too. Also, that many Thai girls are just too shy and reserved about their bodies for my tastes. And to Banana Boi, Thailand can only get top rating if one is into Asian women. For the most part, I really am not, and went through a nearly three day stretch in Pattaya when I didn't see anybody I wanted to fuck (for me the fail is usually in the face). If it's an Asian girl, I more prefer a Eurasian or Amerasian look because for me the face is more appealing. But number one is the white girls and the Latinas! That's what I like, so no Asian mongering destination will ever be able to move ahead of Brazil or Germany in my own personal rankings.
Thailand is great for the sun, jungle and beach. And there are top girls, but available top girls can be hard to find sometimes. So when I went there (been a few times), I tend to stick to the same 2-3 girls. And the search for these top girls can get so annoying that I've figurred girls in thailand just has to be a bonus. Ofcourse I have some on line and facebook. But I've yet to get that 10. Had one once or twice, but ditched for various reasons. The whole country seems to be drained of top talent by foreigners taking them abroad... so most bargirls, gogo girls or night club girls or masseuses or anything are quite low standard for me. Easily below fkk's in average.By listing all the places he went and the time he spent there, Pistons has provided some context for his original argument, which is the optic level in Thailand is not on par with FKK. And Pistons like petite girls!! That said, Pistons and I have completely different tastes. I just need a good excuse to go to Thailand.
Yes and I also don't see why lots of guys are hyping gogo's like Sensation and Iron. I only once did an Iron girl, and she was fine, but she was not a stellar performer and price was a bit steep for what I got. I see more top girls at patt gogo's in Baccara and Happy A Gogo. Also some other clubs have 1 random hot girl without the good average. It sounds like BB is the gogo goer. Thats slack mongering. Easy, but prices has gone up a bit much in late years. So value there is not as good any longer. I recall when I got top gogo girls for 1000 bath back when I started. Now some demand up to 7500 (was that at What's Up aGoGo? I can't remember for sure) And that was 18 months ago. That type of insane inflation looses me... thankfully only gogo's have had that inflation, and just the 'coyote' girls. But still it is a terrible direction for us.
But it is that same difference in taste again. So I suppose me and BB also has different tastes.
McA: I didn't list close to all the places I've been.
Banana Boi
04-22-17, 14:31
Pistons, since you have been to Pattaya many times you know that club lineups change weekly / monthly. From what you reported you were not in Pattaya / Thailand since at least September, 2014. Not sure how you can rate the current lineup at Sensations from that. I agree Happy and Baccara can both be good clubs too. Unfortunately, I have not seen a good lineup at Happy since about August, 2016. It's been pretty sucky every time I walk in and I'm getting there early before the Japanese raid the club. Same applies to Baccara. Lineup has definitely not been as strong since about early December, 2016. Sensations on the other hand consistently has over 100 girls and last Summer during slow season there were a few nights with 150 girls. Imo the lineups of the 3 clubs are fairly similar since Sensations, Happy, and Baccara are the 3 main Japanese clubs on Walking Street (ie. 90-95% of customers are Japanese).
Why am I a slack mongerer because I go to gogo bars? I like house music and I have fun. I have an advantage over a tourist for gogo bars. Since I am there all the time I make arrangements with girls to go with me on their nights off so I hardly ever pay a barfine at a gogo club.
I asked you specifically about Thaniya Road for a reason. It's not an area discussed on ISG at all and you eluded to why.
I respect your reviews about Thailand. We all have different ones. I just think your information is a bit dated. I've been away from Pattaya for almost 4 weeks now and I am thinking even my information may be outdated. I do like your hobbying style in Thailand though, especially not just restricting yourself to "working girls".
By listing all the places he went and the time he spent there, Pistons has provided some context for his original argument, which is the optic level in Thailand is not on par with FKK. And Pistons like petite girls!! That said, Pistons and I have completely different tastes. I just need a good excuse to go to Thailand.Notwithstanding the big boobs, the majority of Thailand girls have the bodies you prefer. FF does manage to seek out some big boobs though. I won't get into details to out you but you know I know what you like. I also know we both have totally different taste in women but the good thing about Pattaya is that there are so many girls. Obviously with such a high number of girls optics is not going to be good for the majority of the girls. Personally I don't think you will have many issues findings girls to your specs in Pattaya, assuming you're ok with Asian girls.
Let's end this. This is the Germany forum. We can carry on our discussion in the Thailand section.
Member #4581
04-22-17, 18:52
Those who are Thailand aficionados and also familiar with Oase LU. Where would Thai Alexa of Oase rank compared to this 50,000 girls or whatever the number is in Pattaya or Bangkok? Top 5%, top 20% or 50% etc. Based on whatever metrics you deem relevant (face, body, attitude, etc).
I find it interesting when you compare Romanian girls and Thai girls, I'm talking about how well they speak English. I found most Romanian girls capable of carrying on a conversation. On the other hand Thai girls seem to practice phrases verse learning the language.
Bb mentioned that he's now living in Pattaya. I wonder if this lack of conversation skills is getting to him now? I've noticed his postings have tripled since he moved to Pattaya. Using the ISG to get his English fill? He stated that he has a stable full of women but I wonder if he's made any English-speaking friends where English was their first language? Every expat goes through this.
It should be Sept. 2015. Time flies, but not that fast.
Pistons, since you have been to Pattaya many times you know that club lineups change weekly / monthly. From what you reported you were not in Pattaya / Thailand since at least September, 2014. They change more or less depending on the clubs. Some girls work the same clubs for up to 5 years also.
I am considering looking into Thailand again since I have some friends who keeps asking me to come. But depends on how long I will stay single. The July change at Germany. And other things. Currency exchange rate is not the best for Europeans either now.
But yes, lets not discuss it here.
Banana Boi
04-22-17, 21:43
Bb mentioned that he's now living in Pattaya. I wonder if this lack of conversation skills is getting to him now? I've noticed his postings have tripled since he moved to Pattaya. Using the ISG to get his English fill? He stated that he has a stable full of women but I wonder if he's made any English-speaking friends where English was their first language? Every expat goes through this.The ability for a girl to speak English is important to me. I learned this on my first trip to Thailand when my main girl had to converse through Google translate. Too frustrating for me. Since then any regular girl (except one) I have in Germany or Thailand must have the ability to converse well in English. My current regulars speak and write better English than half my home country which is an English speaking country! Non English is fine for an hour but even then it takes away from the experience imo. Some of my girls are Eurasian so obviously they speak English well. Others have hired expensive private tutors or went to English school.
The ability for a girl to speak English is important to me. I learned this on my first trip to Thailand when my main girl had to converse through Google translate. Too frustrating for me. Since then any regular girl (except one) I have in Germany or Thailand must have the ability to converse well in English. My current regulars speak and write better English than half my home country which is an English speaking country! Non English is fine for an hour but even then it takes away from the experience imo. Some of my girls are Eurasian so obviously they speak English well. Others have hired expensive private tutors or went to English school.They went to English school and hired expensive teacher and became prostitute in Thailand? How did that happen?
Usually Eurasian prostitutes are hard to find in South East Asia, in Manila I had to go all over different KTV to find few Eurasian stunners.
I believe in Thailand Eurasian prostitutes are hard to find.
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What about these "tight" Brasiliera butt holes? Better? Hehehe! Damn I've fucked a lot of pretty girls in the butt over the years!No way my friend: we are butt tuned.
Member #4585
04-23-17, 09:33
Some of my girls are Eurasian so obviously they speak English well. Others have hired expensive private tutors or went to English school.
They went to English school and hired expensive teacher and became prostitute in Thailand? How did that happen?I would also be interested in a response to Mr Ho's question that a woman with enough wealth to afford private tutors or have the support of family for them to become prostitutes. It must be an interesting story along the lines of a mishap in life choices.
A lot of the Romanian girls mention that their schooling was not the best accounting partly for their lack of opportunities and then working in FKKs as well as the influence of pimps.
I believe in Thailand Eurasian prostitutes are hard to find.In Thailand I found my absolute favorite in Phuket. She looked like Jennifer Anniston, only with dark hair! Was fucking unbelievable! Then there was another little petite, dark-haired one who l found in Bangkok on Soi Cowboy who again didn't really look Thai at all, but more European. I call these types of Thai tutes "rare white tigers". And I was lucky to have had two of them! Although, the one on Soi Cowboy had a hard time taking this dick LOL!
I would also be interested in a response to Mr Ho's question that a woman with enough wealth to afford private tutors or have the support of family for them to become prostitutes. It must be an interesting story along the lines of a mishap in life choices.
A lot of the Romanian girls mention that their schooling was not the best accounting partly for their lack of opportunities and then working in FKKs as well as the influence of pimps.So that means, we have opportunity to get our penis sucked by Romanians with Phd or MBA degrees?
If so they maybe more qualified than me, it is too bad that they cannot get their nationality correct confusing themselves between Italian, Spanish and Romanian LOL.
Maybe they confused Roman empire and Romanian empire LOL Spells are too close for their brain level LOL LOL.
I would also be interested in a response to Mr Ho's question that a woman with enough wealth to afford private tutors or have the support of family for them to become prostitutes. It must be an interesting story along the lines of a mishap in life choices.
.Many 'private tutors' are just english speaking guys who trade english lessons for sex. The girl gets the basics in school but wants to speak at a higher level and her pussy is just as good as a billfold.
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May force be with all the professional mongers around the globe, who pay to feed their extreme lust.
Once a prostitute you bought for 50 euro are some other guys precious wife, so treat her right in room by screw and drill your big fat Cialis, Viagra up cock as hard as you can into her anal.
Amen.
The ability for a girl to speak English is important to me. I learned this on my first trip to Thailand when my main girl had to converse through Google translate. Too frustrating for me. Since then any regular girl (except one) I have in Germany or Thailand must have the ability to converse well in English. My current regulars speak and write better English than half my home country which is an English speaking country! Non English is fine for an hour but even then it takes away from the experience imo. Some of my girls are Eurasian so obviously they speak English well. Others have hired expensive private tutors or went to English school.But you can't talk to your girls about how hard you fucked one of her friends. That's where your buddies come in and I'm betting moving halfway around the world cuts down on your close buddy friends. You see all of these old expats hanging together. My buddy retired to Bangkok last year and when we met this last trip he was overly talkative, telling his girls that he wants to 'boom boom' them tonight isn't much of a conversation. I was amazed at how well he understood his girls broken english, half the time I was clueless what the girl was trying to get after.
Many 'private tutors' are just english speaking guys who trade english lessons for sex. The girl gets the basics in school but wants to speak at a higher level and her pussy is just as good as a billfold.Well if that is the case, I am going to be the English teacher LOL LOL.
You will soon see me wondering around on street of Pattaya holding English text book LOL LOL.
Member #4585
04-23-17, 12:48
Many 'private tutors' are just english speaking guys who trade english lessons for sex. The girl gets the basics in school but wants to speak at a higher level and her pussy is just as good as a billfold.Good to know how many international language speakers learned foreign languages. United Nations in New York city must be full of people agreeable to sex.
Last time I was at FKK, my dick was cut. Under the penis head, it took a cut by Eleny at Oceans LOL.
Multiple consecutive FKK trips are like professional boxing match, and each session is round, but it is tournament style that even it is cut, fight has to go on LOL.
Good to know how many international language speakers learned foreign languages. United Nations in New York city must be full of people agreeable to sex.FKK United Nations.
Where sex is the best cure for world stability and world peace.
Fighting against sanctions on sexual limitations via money LOL.
Banana Boi
04-23-17, 14:04
They went to English school and hired expensive teacher and became prostitute in Thailand? How did that happen?
Usually Eurasian prostitutes are hard to find in South East Asia, in Manila I had to go all over different KTV to find few Eurasian stunners.
I believe in Thailand Eurasian prostitutes are hard to find.This is only what I was told so who knows if it's the truth or not. One girl said before she came to Bangkok she knew she wanted to speak English well. She hired a private tutor for 6 months. Can't recall the price but I think it was 25,000 baht (800 euro). Where she got the money I have no idea. There are many loan sharks in Thailand. She's laughing now since she easily makes that amount of money per week.
The other girl was intelligent enough to realize if she went to English school during the day she would be able to make more money. She said English was not that difficult for her to learn and she too makes quite a bit of money now.
Agree hot Eurasians are difficult to find especially for a tourist. However, like Germany, I hunt high and low every day to find the best of the best in optics. 99% of the tourists to Thailand don't have the time to do this.
But you can't talk to your girls about how hard you fucked one of her friends. That's where your buddies come in and I'm betting moving halfway around the world cuts down on your close buddy friends. You see all of these old expats hanging together.
I've had a pretty constant flow of friends visiting me. Funny how guys use me as an excuse to leave their wives to come to Thailand! Also, ISG guys from the FKK forums I meet up with as well.
Stop going to Sapphire and Windmill, Breadman. Those girls can't speak English.
PussyLiccker
04-23-17, 15:26
Those who are Thailand aficionados and also familiar with Oase LU. Where would Thai Alexa of Oase rank compared to this 50,000 girls or whatever the number is in Pattaya or Bangkok? Top 5%, top 20% or 50% etc. Based on whatever metrics you deem relevant (face, body, attitude, etc).I never been there myself, but there are myriads of youtube vids. BB, posted some. I would expect you should be able to find a good percentage of better lookers than Alexa.
I guess the draw would be for guys into Asian look, a grand scale of what are available, many things going on to keep interested, many many girls around to run into(which probably keeps things fresh), probably more GFE type experiences given BB likes the place. Probably more fun if you are a long termer there, since the scale is so huge.
I saw this video, and I think this girl looks good(a slushy make there. LOL). Maybe she had some work done facially. I wonder what percentage she falls under?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOaKpCyCsEE&t=147s
Banana Boi
04-23-17, 16:05
Where would Thai Alexa of Oase rank compared to this 50,000 girls or whatever the number is in Pattaya or Bangkok? This Alexa? Bottom 10-15% in Thailand in her age group (under 25). If this is your goal in Thailand you're going to go hog wild.
Those who are Thailand aficionados and also familiar with Oase LU. Where would Thai Alexa of Oase rank compared to this 50,000 girls or whatever the number is in Pattaya or Bangkok? Is Alexa the Oase Thai girl who has a strong gambling habbit? Tallish and light brown body?
I saw this video, and I think this girl looks good(a slushy make there. LOL). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOaKpCyCsEE&t=147s
I would have a problem with this girl, coz I have more butts than she has. Maybe she sold her butts for steaks in the bar where she works? Anyways, I have a rule of never going to bed with girls who have less butts than I have.
PussyLiccker
04-23-17, 16:23
Who BB posted is Alexa, the one that looks Thai and claims half Thai. Perhaps you are referring to Alexia glasses.
Banana Boi
04-23-17, 16:24
Jnpr, judge for yourself. My taste may be different than yours but Alexa can't compete with this IMHO. These are some of the girls I know at Touch agogo in Pattaya. It is at LK Metro which is not even the main gogo bar area. Small club not busy and not many girls.
Most clubs don't post photos of the hot girls. Unfortunately, clubs like Baccara, Sensations, Happy, etc. don't post photos of any girls!
This Alexa? Bottom 10-15% in Thailand in her age group (under 25). If this is your goal in Thailand you're going to go hog wild.Have to agree, she's cute enough but isn't all that high on the list. I'd suggest you google 'pattaya gogo' and then select images, that will give you photo's of lineups to view.
PussyLiccker
04-23-17, 16:35
I would have a problem with this girl, coz I have more butts than she has. Maybe she sold her butts for steaks in the bar where she works? Anyways, I have a rule of never going to bed with girls who have less butts than I have.I'm a butt guy as well, maybe my taste is a bit wider with girls as long as I find her attractive facially. Kate (Aca) would be considered a girl with unusual assets in comparison to general overall slim Ro figures. A girl I met Cataleya(GT Vienna) has such a nice rump(not lacking and still smooth tight), and slim top, I liked very much. Her pretty face helped as well. But, I will say Megan at Sharks when didn't have the weight she does now was very slim, without much padding back there, and likely not for butt guys. Personally, I prefer a medium, not so large or too lacking, but I agree a good asset helps the sexiness of a girl, the curves. Also, go for boobs. I guess I'm a moderation type of guy.
I think for guys into big booty, Asian percentage could be lacking. The opposite exteme is likely countries where ideals are large butts, and even with girl putting on silicones under there.
When I look at the Gogo girls pics BB posted, the last one I would be very attracted to despite me being into more curves.
I'm also attracted to this, I'm a butt guy really. Twerking is very attractive dance! Girls can get my juices flowing with it. LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6vinrXWxls
Hips movement are hott!! Gives an appearance that she can ride, and move really well in bed!! Many cultures, the hypnotizing dances involves good controlling hip movements.
I'm also attracted to this, I'm a butt guy really. Twerking is very attractive dance! Girls can get my juices flowing with it. LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6vinrXWxlsIndeed. Note that Asian girls can have a dynamic butt while African girls have a static butt. By that I mean that the butt you see on an African girl is what you get in bed. An Asian girl on the other hand might not have much tail-end when you seen in the street but she may surprise you in bed by producing a butt from under the bushel so to speak, when she positions herself.
On another note, I think female attractiveness has two components which are too often confused: 1) youthfulness 2) femaleness of body (contour).
Some men are attracted by youthfulness for youthfulness' sake and will find exactly what they want in Asia. That may be why Asian girls age poorly, being high on youthfulness but rather low on body contour, youthfulness going away with age at a much quicker pace than a shapely body.
I would travel anywhere in the world to have this girl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gawrOAZAotg&index=2&list=RDG35c39mldRQ.
Christian G
04-23-17, 16:55
Here 3 Pattaya's ass.
Banana Boi
04-23-17, 17:02
My taste is clearly different than CG. Here is a Pattaya gogo girl's ass.
PussyLiccker
04-23-17, 17:08
Well at least the gogo girls and CG's butt pics, looks like there are good sized butts. BB, the 2nd girl. Nice. Maybe Eurasian, with Yaeba teeth Japanese are into.
PussyLiccker
04-23-17, 17:17
Indeed. Note that Asian girls can have a dynamic butt while African girls have a static butt. By that I mean that the butt you see on an African girl is what you get in bed. An Asian girl on the other hand might not have much tail-end when you seen in the street but she may surprise you in bed by producing a butt from under the bushel so to speak, when she positions herself.
On another note, I think female attractiveness has two components which are too often confused: 1) youthfulness 2) femaleness of body (contour).
Some men are attracted by youthfulness for youthfulness' sake and will find exactly what they want in Asia. That may be why Asian girls age poorly, being high on youthfulness but rather low on body contour, youthfulness going away with age at a much quicker pace than a shapely body.
I would travel anywhere in the world to have this girl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gawrOAZAotg&index=2&list=RDG35c39mldRQ.Probably Latin cultures like dynamic butts. Looser due to being more sizable.
Nice hip movements are international! Florin Salam dance girls has some nice hip movements. If you stayed at Samya late, you'd see these ass movements by Romies. Something about Florin's party music get's them moving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojIn9CZCOW8
These are some of the girls I know at Touch agogo in Pattaya. It is at LK Metro which is not even the main gogo bar area.Now that's a good-looking Thai girl! Talking the one in the blue and red. Also think the LK Metro area is very underrated and don't know why it isn't more popular. Walking Street and Soi 6 are easy, but I thought LK Metro was well worth it to go over there with lots of bars and clubs to choose from. That's a real cutie there BB. Wonder if she's "A-level" LOL!
Member #4581
04-23-17, 20:38
Thanks BB. The girl from Touch agogo with the skimpy blue underwear and top with the red belt is definitely a knockout, and would take her in a heartbeat if I saw her in any of the FKKs. If you say there are hundreds of such girls in Pattaya, I have to say wow.
Well at least the gogo girls and CG's butt pics, looks like there are good sized butts. BB, the 2nd girl. Nice. Maybe Eurasian, with Yaeba teeth Japanese are into.Its called 'a nose job'.
Well at least the gogo girls and CG's butt pics, looks like there are good sized butts. BB, the 2nd girl. Nice. Maybe Eurasian, with Yaeba teeth Japanese are into.Man, I hate that Yaeba teeth, I never get Asian taste on women or many white folks who are into Asian girls.
I do like Maria Ozawa or takizawa rola the Japanese av star and related looks Eurasians, and for Eurasian Philippine is the best to find due to US and Spanish involvement in that region.
Well it do me good because most white guys go for girls that I would not go for and I go for Eurasians.
The Thai girl on the pic below, if she is not Eurasians, she had some plastic surgeries, which is very common in Thailand and Korea.
This is only what I was told so who knows if it's the truth or not. One girl said before she came to Bangkok she knew she wanted to speak English well. She hired a private tutor for 6 months. Can't recall the price but I think it was 25,000 baht (800 euro). Where she got the money I have no idea. There are many loan sharks in Thailand. She's laughing now since she easily makes that amount of money per week.
The other girl was intelligent enough to realize if she went to English school during the day she would be able to make more money. She said English was not that difficult for her to learn and she too makes quite a bit of money now.
Agree hot Eurasians are difficult to find especially for a tourist. However, like Germany, I hunt high and low every day to find the best of the best in optics. 99% of the tourists to Thailand don't have the time to do this..We mongers are hunters who roam the street or FKK from corner to corner seeking for our target that satisfy our extreme lust LOL.
It would be criminal activity if such systems are not in place legally and money is not involved LOL.
Neurosynth
04-23-17, 22:09
I'll admit the Alexa with the single picture below is rather average looking, but she's quite a character, is good in the room, and I've had a really fun time with her both sexually and otherwise. That's worth a lot to me.
UltraHappy
04-23-17, 22:40
I'll admit the Alexa with the single picture below is rather average looking, but she's quite a character, is good in the room, and I've had a really fun time with her both sexually and otherwise. That's worth a lot to me.I've only heard very positive things about her. She's received only good reviews on this board. Guys I talk to in the club who have been with her all report some variation of "Wow!
I can confirm that she's got a great attitude and is great conversation outside the room. She's friends with some of my favorites, so I have occasion to talk to her from time to time.
UltraHappy
04-23-17, 22:54
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Now that's a good-looking Thai girl! Talking the one in the blue and red. Also think the LK Metro area is very underrated and don't know why it isn't more popular. Walking Street and Soi 6 are easy, but I thought LK Metro was well worth it to go over there with lots of bars and clubs to choose from. That's a real cutie there BB. Wonder if she's "A-level" LOL!Higher age on the girls at LK metro in general. Many girls at 30+, and some seems to have used too much drugs... in general there are way too much crystal meth floating around among the tutes in the thai p6 industry (too many girls have asked me to come along and smoke some and party with them. And the few top girls I've seen there seems to allways be taken by some guy (s) who seems to stay there for weeks. I've never seen more than 2-3 doable girls at LK metro at any day I've been there. And maybe just max 1 had been at the top level where I would repeat her. So it is a bonus if you find a hot one there as the prices are lower. But don't expect too much is my general idea of that place. I've been there maybe 6-7 times to scout. Never left with any girls...
Banana Boi
04-24-17, 00:54
Higher age on the girls at LK metro in general. Many girls at 30+, Again, your information is likely outdated, unless you just visited all the wrong clubs like Sugar Sugar, Paradise, Showgirls, etc. LK has gone through a transformation since Fall, 2015. I thought it was crappy too in Fall, 2015. With the Japanese starting to discover LK Metro now the girls are coming. The best club, Ninja, is almost all Japanese customers now and full of young cute girls on most nights.
Notwithstanding the big boobs, the majority of Thailand girls have the bodies you prefer. FF does manage to seek out some big boobs though..I was merely commenting on Pistons experience. While Pistons hasn't seen as many, I would expect him to proportionately find as many gems as you have.
I've NEVER had doubts that I could find Thais that I would be attracted to. Simply because I've heard FF, Breadman, and your accounts about the numbers of WGs. I've found myself physically attracted to Asian women before (Thai MILF even). Not even a hint of European blood needed! I've done pure Africans as well.
Of course there are top girls around in patt and bkk. There are probably a million plus willing girls to be found. But it can be a field of study to get the right one.
Ofcourse there are top girls around in patt and bkk. There are probably a million plus willing girls to be found. But it can be a field of study to get the right one.FKK is the way to go.
If France leave EU. Then it will dramatically affect line up of FKK.
Member #4585
04-24-17, 07:58
If France leave EU. Then it will dramatically affect line up of FKK.What makes you think that?
Hessen Bub
04-24-17, 09:28
If France leave EU. Then it will dramatically affect line up of FKK.First of all: Will not happen. Second: Why should it have an effect?
HB.
Banana Boi
04-24-17, 10:28
If France leave EU. Then it will dramatically affect line up of FKK.Because the cash flow from Sirioja will stop?
Because the cash flow from Sirioja will stop?Sirioja is single handily raising FKK economy LOL.
First of all: Will not happen. Second: Why should it have an effect?
HB.I agree with you, but on the other hand, that is what majority said about Trump LOL.
What makes you think that?Well if France leave EU, then EU will be the most likely the end.
Or.
If France leave and if Germany let the other nations like Ukraine to join, we got ourselves stronger LU at FKK due to free boarder.
However, LU of FKK declined comparison to year 2010, so I hope there will be improvement in stunner level and more younger girls as most are older girls now.
Ofcourse there are top girls around in patt and bkk. There are probably a million plus willing girls to be found. But it can be a field of study to get the right one.Why do people choose to go to Thailand for mongering, and not Manila?
Filipino Eurasians are much hotter than Thai Eurasians, Thai Eurasians has more flat face, where as Filipino Eurasians tend to have more structured nose and face.
Solo Traveler
04-24-17, 13:33
"Emmanuel Macron is married to Brigitte Trogneux, who is 24 years older than him and was his teacher in La Providence high school in Amiens. They first met when he was a 15-year-old student in her class, but were only officially a couple once he was 18. His parents initially attempted to split the couple by sending him away to Paris to finish the final year of his schooling, as they felt his youth made this relationship inappropriate, but the couple stayed together after he graduated and married in 2007. They live with Trogneux's three children from her previous marriage."
Wow, the French are so open-minded.
I have an impression that Europeans and North Americans have more tolerance and acceptance regarding having a mate that differs a lot in age.
On the contrary, East Asians like Japanese and Chinese can never accept things like this.
In the past, I once had a crush on older mature women like Macron did.
But when I told my family and friends about the idea that I may want to be with women who are way older than I am, they thought I was mentally ill and should receive some medical treatments.
Back to the FKK Sauna clubs' topic, maybe this is why I want the blonde old mature female staff member in Sharks before. LOL.
Sebastiane
04-24-17, 14:43
Because the cash flow from Sirioja will stop?LOL!
There are very few French girls I've met in FKKs.
I guess if Romania was to leave the EU then the FKKs would be in real trouble! One advantage of Turkey joining the EU (and I don't think it'll happen) is lots of hot Turkish girls in FKKs! On this logic we should let Russia into the EU too. And Morocco!
Solo Traveler
04-24-17, 15:56
I disagree when the words are spoken by men. There is a group of obnoxious French guys who sit outside on the sofas at GT. They always call the Asians "Bruce Lee" and make karate chop gestures with their hands. One time I thought this 200 pound Asian guy was going to pummel the entire group of French guys on his own.Seriously, is it possible to ask the club to kick them out?
Compared to Canada or the US, Europe is so backward in this regard.
The Tall Man
04-24-17, 16:17
Indeed. Note that Asian girls can have a dynamic butt while African girls have a static butt. By that I mean that the butt you see on an African girl is what you get in bed. An Asian girl on the other hand might not have much tail-end when you seen in the street but she may surprise you in bed by producing a butt from under the bushel so to speak, when she positions herself.
On another note, I think female attractiveness has two components which are too often confused: 1) youthfulness 2) femaleness of body (contour).
Some men are attracted by youthfulness for youthfulness' sake and will find exactly what they want in Asia. That may be why Asian girls age poorly, being high on youthfulness but rather low on body contour, youthfulness going away with age at a much quicker pace than a shapely body.
I would travel anywhere in the world to have this girl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gawrOAZAotg&index=2&list=RDG35c39mldRQ.I loved watching both yours and the other posters video of twerking. Yes very sexy indeed. Your video is spot on to my spinner Tijuana Mexico girls that hails from Monterrey Mexico. Skinny but damn when she starts dancing and twerking keeps me coming back for more.
I am here in Medellin, Colombia right now and these latinas have some beautiful nalgas!
Thanks for sharing the videos and pics.
TTM.
Why do people choose to go to Thailand for mongering, and not Manila?
Filipino Eurasians are much hotter than Thai Eurasians, Thai Eurasians has more flat face, where as Filipino Eurasians tend to have more structured nose and face.Probably because Thailand is easier. Not that Philippines is hard, but Angeles for instance is also only that one area of bars. So not much else to do either. And Manila is overly expensive. Cebu was boring when I went also, and the atmosphere was not as good as in Thailand. Only the snorkling I did was fun. I find it hard to generalize Philippine people however. They are probably the most diverse optical nationality I know about.
Probably because Thailand is easier. Not that Philippines is hard, but Angeles for instance is also only that one area of bars. So not much else to do either. And Manila is overly expensive. Cebu was boring when I went also, and the atmosphere was not as good as in thailand. Only the snorkling I did was fun. I find it hard to generalize philippina people however. They are probably the most diverse optical nationality I know about.One of these days I'll make it over to PI, tried last trip but had to cancel. I've heard that the food that the girls eat is mostly fattening and many of the girls put on extra weight. Its also more dangerous, lots of warnings to avoid dark streets.
Christian G
04-24-17, 19:25
Its also more dangerous, lots of warnings to avoid dark streets.Yes and from what I read on the net more pick pockets and more scam from freelancers and online dating. After 11 years of holidays in Thailand I'm still undecided about trying the Philippines. Pesos have better exchange rate, but hotels are more expensive and seems the food in the Phills is very bad. Many conflicting reports about Angeles City and Phills in general. Also I really don't like the idea of ERW (you have to pay barfine and girl fee in advance to the mamasan) in the Angeles City bars / gogos.
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