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Many small chubby girls there yes. Way too much fast food which apparently is much more unhealthy than american fast food. Jollibee for example wouldn't even have made it through the loose US regulations I bet. Some girls are more into Korean food though. As it is the Koreans that dominates among the Asian tourists. And Korean food is healthy. Some street food is also healthy.
Walk off the heavily guarded tourist areas with security on every corner and you get attacked by 15 year old shemales with guns, or 5 year old pickpocketer gangs clinging to your legs it feels like the wild west is still alive very much so. But different, there is a reason Duerte won the election.
Probably because Thailand is easier. Not that Philippines is hard, but Angeles for instance is also only that one area of bars. So not much else to do either. And Manila is overly expensive. Cebu was boring when I went also, and the atmosphere was not as good as in thailand. Only the snorkling I did was fun. I find it hard to generalize philippina people however. They are probably the most diverse optical nationality I know about.Yeah and in Manila, you might get shot as it is not exactly safe.
I found Manila cheaper than Bangkok though in good places Bangkok is real expansive.
Yes and from what I read on the net more pick pockets and more scam from freelancers and online dating. After 11 years of holidays in Thailand I'm still undecided about trying the Philippines. Pesos have better exchange rate, but hotels are more expensive and seems the food in the Phills is very bad. Many conflicting reports about Angeles City and Phills in general. Also I really don't like the idea of ERW (you have to pay barfine and girl fee in advance to the mamasan) in the Angeles City bars / gogos.Well Philippines is more dangerous than Thailand yes, but when it comes to pick pockets etc, Thailand is similar and Thailand still has many poverty even in Bangkok and it is not exactly safe either.
Both nations are unstable, not trust worthy people and many rip off called foreigner price LOL.
I conclude go to german FKK LOL.
Banana Boi
04-24-17, 22:06
Why do people choose to go to Thailand for mongering, and not Manila?Mainly due to safety. I prefer to stay out after 9 pm without looking behind my back every 3 steps. I heard a story of a guy was killed after getting his entire arm chopped off by a machete since someone wanted his watch. Another guy got shot in the back at an ATM taking out money on Walking Street in AC. On the contrary, Thailand go out of their way and have tourist police everywhere to protect tourists over Thai (mainly ladyboy robberies).
Your preference on looks. Filipina do nothing for me lookswise. Admittedly, AC WS looks like my kind of place to party though. Maybe one day but ONLY with a group of guys. I do have to make those damn Visa runs every 60 days and something has to beat out Phnom Penh for me to consider it.
ZimmerBaby
04-24-17, 23:33
In Thailand I found my absolute favorite in...the one on Soi Cowboy had a hard time taking this dick LOL!Went to Cherry massage close to Nana.
http://cherrymassagebkk.com/massage-ladies/
Nice massage and great sex, though after finishing in her ass, I did observe light brown and strong green colour on my penis. Must have been undigested vegetables. Guess that was her Som tam from the day before, green papaya and cucumber I presume.
That's the way love goes.
"Emmanuel Macron is married to Brigitte Trogneux, who is 24 years older than him and was his teacher in La Providence high school in Amiens. They first met when he was a 15-year-old student in her class, but were only officially a couple once he was 18. His parents initially attempted to split the couple by sending him away to Paris to finish the final year of his schooling, as they felt his youth made this relationship inappropriate, but the couple stayed together after he graduated and married in 2007. They live with Trogneux's three children from her previous marriage."
Wow, the French are so open-minded.
I have an impression that Europeans and North Americans have more tolerance and acceptance regarding having a mate that differs a lot in age..Hahaha you are right LOL.
Japan make the most crazy porn, but when it comes to relationship, there are so many taboo, no wonder Japan is not making kids anymore LOL.
Anyways, this French candidate has one bad taste man LOL. Have you seen his wife? She is so ugly and old, she must have technique or he must have one bad taste LOL.
As for technique he does not know about German FKK expert in BBBJ did he? LOL LOL.
Went to Cherry massage close to Nana.
http://cherrymassagebkk.com/massage-ladies/
Nice massage and great sex, though after finishing in her ass, I did observe light brown and strong green colour on my penis. Must have been undigested vegetables. Guess that was her Som tam from the day before, green papaya and cucumber I presume.
That's the way love goes.OMG too funny! Tutes who are going to do anal need to clean out with an enema LOL!
Carpe Viam
04-26-17, 06:27
The case of Macron is not surprising. Because we see Sylvana takes an important number of young beautiful guys every day in her club.
Hahaha you are right LOL.
Japan make the most crazy porn, but when it comes to relationship, there are so many taboo, no wonder Japan is not making kids anymore LOL.
Anyways, this French candidate has one bad taste man LOL. Have you seen his wife? She is so ugly and old, she must have technique or he must have one bad taste LOL.
As for technique he does not know about German FKK expert in BBBJ did he? LOL LOL.
The case of Macron is not surprising. Because we see Sylvana takes an important number of young beautiful guys every day in her club.Who is Sylvana?
Member #4585
04-27-17, 03:34
Who is Sylvana?The girl of your wet dreams.
Solo Traveler
04-27-17, 07:25
Who is Sylvana?A very old working woman who is 60+ years old.
Young guys who have a fantasy for old grandmother go after her.
By the way, Mr. Ho.
Have you ever been harassed by other guests in the clubs?
The girl of your wet dreams.Right, fate, destiny and the girl of my wet dreams are girls I randomly meet in FKK.
I have fateful meeting for just one night with girls that are in line up of the night each time I visit FKK LOL.
A very old working woman who is 60+ years old.
Young guys who have a fantasy for old grandmother go after her.
By the way, Mr. Ho.
Have you ever been harassed by other guests in the clubs?Ah OK, not my cup of tea then LOL.
No, I was never harassed by any other guests or staffs in the clubs. In fact, I met some real nice guys who are still in my memories each time I go back to FKK.
Also I always joke here, but I never really got harassed by girls too, just few Romanians I had to argue over up sell or she got angry as I cut session at 30 minutes due to her service LOL.
I never had any problem with staffs of FKK also.
The funny thing happened though on train to Golden Time from Dusseldorf. During the way, at some train stop, about 7 police came into train to check some people, they walked around stared around train looked at people as they walk and came to turn to looked at me, I thought they were going to ask me for my passport that I left at hotel actually, and I had some green herbs in my bag too, but for some funny reason they walked past me and check the guy behind me who was clearly white, young german guy LOL LOL I was like? LOL LOL.
Even cops are nice in Germany LOL.
How about you? Did you ever had any problem or people bothered you at the club?
For me just few Ro who failed to up sell me and cut the session at 30 minutes. This is crazy thing with girls both private and working girls, they got most crazy selfish self centered demand that are all into their favor and then if we men do not deliver that or refuse to deliver that or try to failed to deliver that they get real mad. This is problematic personality most women have. I wonder why they are like that.
A very old working woman who is 60+ years old.
Young guys who have a fantasy for old grandmother go after her.
By the way, Mr. Ho.
Have you ever been harassed by other guests in the clubs?There is an old, unattractive Italian woman working at Oase. Approached me twice, and I turned her down without hesitation or delay. Totally grossed me out the second time all in my face talking about she would give me a good BJ. Opening her mouth all wide and shit. Yuck! A couple of girls saw my reaction and the way I dissed her and started laughing. I didn't mean to be rude, but get out of here! Now, I did see her go to the kino with two different younger guys. Whatever floats your boat!
A very old working woman who is 60+ years old.
Young guys who have a fantasy for old grandmother go after her.
By the way, Mr. Ho.
Have you ever been harassed by other guests in the clubs?Sylvana grabbed hold of me the first time I went to Sharks and wouldn't let go. Needless to say I politely declined.
There is an old, unattractive Italian woman working at Oase. Approached me twice, and I turned her down without hesitation or delay. Totally grossed me out the second time all in my face talking about she would give me a good BJ. Opening her mouth all wide and shit. Yuck! A couple of girls saw my reaction and the way I dissed her and started laughing. I didn't mean to be rude, but get out of here! Now, I did see her go to the kino with two different younger guys. Whatever floats your boat!Didn't she move on to yet another club now? I think I read that in some thread not long ago.
Hessen Bub
04-28-17, 19:05
Silvana was at Oase months ago. Moved to World from there. Got thrown out of the club a few weeks ago. Heard something about her working at Samya (now.
HB.
Silvana was at Oase months ago. Moved to World from there. Got thrown out of the club a few weeks ago. Heard something about her working at Samya (now.
HB.If Sylvana is the old Italian, then she was at Oase in February when I was there. What's she getting thrown out for? I mean, they obviously let her in to work in the first place. What rules are she breaking? Other than those of the laws of nature, which say she should retire from the world's oldest profession?
Banana Boi
04-28-17, 20:25
Who is Sylvana?For a senior member with 1690 posts you really should know this.
Is anybody else having problems logging into the site and getting an annoying pop-up website?
Silvana was at Oase months ago. Moved to World from there. Got thrown out of the club a few weeks ago. Heard something about her working at Samya (now.
HB.Yes, I saw her at Oase both in Dec. And Feb. She didn't seem as happy and lively there as she used to be at Sharks. She seemed a bit sad. I guess either something must have gotten to her emotionally, or that business at Oase didn't work out for her. I guess it is hard for her to find another club where she can pull 5+ rooms in one night as I saw her doing at Sharks once...
Silvana was at Oase months ago. Moved to World from there. Got thrown out of the club a few weeks ago. Heard something about her working at Samya (now.
HB.Ah OK, thank you, but wow 60 years old prostitute? I mean each their own taste, but some guys definitely seek for something so opposite of what I consider beautiful. I like what are in Vogue or Elle magazine and young, some guys seems to go for opposite.
In Germany, targeting mostly AO club, authorities are passing the law and also busted Artemis recently for false accusations, but it is evident that authorities are cracking down on prostitution industry.
In Japan, due to Tokyo Olympic our third Olympic in fifty years that many public did even want is approaching, authorities are cracking down on our porn industry aka Japanese AV.
In Thailand, new female tourism minister stated that to improve country's image, they are going to crack down brothels and go go bars which are brothels etc.
What is going on here in the world? I think they liberated the industry upon about millennium, then about 15 years pass and they are all trying to restrict it?
Aren't there any nations in Europe that is going opposite and liberating the prostitution industry?
For a senior member with 1690 posts you really should know this.No, at FKK, I try not to look at girls who are not my type and 60 years old women are definitely not my type.
Also I went to oase once. Last time I was in frank, I gave second shot at sharks, it is not my cup of tea beside girl's age is bit lower, but LU is limited stunners at sharks.
I may give second shot at oase sometimes as I did score two stunners, and one was real hot with real bad service, so just based on looks, oase seemed promising and surprisingly I liked food there.
Oase seems to be even worst than palace for upselling now though.
Silvana was at Oase months ago. Moved to World from there. Got thrown out of the club a few weeks ago. Heard something about her working at Samya (now.
HB.Yes, Sylvana who provides the best BBBJ all over internet, is now at Samya. Enjoy granny experience before new law, like I enjoy Jimi experience to keep waking up in the car.
Hessen Bub
04-29-17, 09:38
Aren't there any nations in Europe that is going opposite and liberating the prostitution industry?Andorra. PaySex paradise. Look for the local forums.
HB.
Solo Traveler
04-29-17, 10:59
How about you? Did you ever had any problem or people bothered you at the club?I was in Sharks alone.
I encountered the most blatant act of provocation.
It was so blatant that I thought I was on a hidden camera television program or something.
There's a blonde-haired blued-eyed guy who was also a guest in the club.
He's not local German, but not sure of his real nationality, yet Banana Boi said there's a group of French guys who are doing the same thing in GoldenTime lately, so maybe we're talking the same guy (s).
I did not know him, never saw him before, we were absolutely strangers to each other.
But he started making some kung-fu moves / karate chops, and some barking / shouting toward me, obviously, after he saw me having an East Asian face.
And not just once or twice, he pulled that stuff literally every time I walked past him.
At first, I just ignored him, because I thought he was mentally ill, and there's no point reacting to a patient who talks or acts crazy.
But later, I found that he was actually talking to the bar staff members quite normally like a healthy human being. Few minutes later, I walked past him again, and he did all those moronic tricks again. All this proved that he was deliberately acting like that out of his free will, instead of an act due to mentally ill.
I hold my nerve, talked to him in peace, "With all due respect, Sir, this is not funny."
He shrugged and replied,"This is funny."
I had a few more sentences with him explaining to him that what he was doing may be considered offensive and racist in other parts of the world, but he didn't seem to understand me. (Apparently, both of us were not English native speakers, so not sure if it was a language barrier or he just simply not listening to me.).
Okay, obviously, he thought what he did was absolutely legitimate.
I saw there's no point mingling with him anymore, and for god's sake I was in Europe for vacation, not there to educate some European moron about cultural respect, so I ignored him completely after that.
That guy was at the same height and size as I, so I wasn't really terrified by his kung-fu or karate stuff.
I just couldn't understand how his brain operated.
And, please, don't tell me "Just pummel that guy!
I was there for vacation as a foreign tourist, and I'm a well-behaved person who have never ever got into a fight, so I think that was the best way I could deal with the situation back then.
Andorra. PaySex paradise. Look for the local forums.
HB.There is almost no action in Andorra, but the best thing is just "down the mountain" just at the border with Spain in village called La Seu the'Urgell, Spain. There is some clubs and bars where you can find some prostitutes.
I was in Sharks alone.
I encountered the most blatant act of provocation.
It was so blatant that I thought I was on a hidden camera television program or something.
There's a blonde-haired blued-eyed guy who was also a guest in the club.
He's not local German, but not sure of his real nationality, yet Banana Boi said there's a group of French guys who are doing the same thing in GoldenTime lately, so maybe we're talking the same guy (s).
I did not know him, never saw him before, we were absolutely strangers to each other.
But he started making some kung-fu moves / karate chops, and some barking / shouting toward me, obviously, after he saw me having an East Asian face.Wow, this never happen to me before in any FKK for past about 7 years. In fact, I met some real nice guys randomly in quite many occasions, a lot of guys I met are older guys though like early 40's to up to 60's from around the world, they left me some good memories that I still think about them when I am in FKK and of course god knows where these guys are at now.
Well I am sorry that happened to you, but if that happen to me, I will have chat with him and I will show him my watch and tell him how that is way above his annual income and also world change, and in case of me, my country is much more rich and advanced than his country if he is from Europe, which is plain fact by number. However, if he is French, it is France that helped due to pure respect to spread Japanese culture into Europe region as fashionable food, and they tend to get along with at least with Japan, so I guess that guy who did it to you is from some farm land country side and not from the city.
I never faced racism in Europe yet, I only face racism in Asia sometimes where people still talk about WW2. I mean my only reply is it was war, we do not complain to USA about what happened in war, we became best friend after, but in Asia they still grudge. It is to do with personality.
However, I hope that won't happen to me in FKK as I will retaliate LOL WW2 style based on fact with capitalism flair of new world order LOL.
There is almost no action in Andorra, but the best thing is just "down the mountain" just at the border with Spain in village called La Seu the'Urgell, Spain. There is some clubs and bars where you can find some prostitutes.But they are not young and beautiful right?
Germany is currently the king of brothel and I cannot think of any other places in Europe that is better.
It is greatest mystery why some eastern European nation do not make FKK like in Germany due to they are the main source of suppliers of prostitute.
Please see the attached image for more information about this.Well stunner level is arguable, but that valley is known to be the paradise for non condom sex for those who knows. It is AKA bareback valley. Reasonable pricing too.
Hessen Bub
04-30-17, 08:55
But they are not young and beautiful right?
Germany is currently the king of brothel and I cannot think of any other places in Europe that is better.
It is greatest mystery why some eastern European nation do not make FKK like in Germany due to they are the main source of suppliers of prostitute.You've reached the point that you quote and answer to your own posts now?
HB.
Solo. This horrible racist attitude you describe is totally ignorant and uncouth. I see it has affected you badly as you have reported on it at least three times. At least it seems to be an isolated particular group of people.
Maybe the best thing is to let it go, and try to stop repeating in your head your victim experience: the more you remember it the more the racist bullies win.
If I see any such victimisation in a club I will immediately in front of the bullies make friends with the victim. Usually works well, although one time (not in a club) it led to me flat on my back on the ground! (but then more people came to help).
You've reached the point that you quote and answer to you own posts now?
HB.Mr HB, I noticed that now and let me clarify this, now it is 5:48 PM and I am more awake.
The previous post you are referring to, I wrote that in the morning in my bed, which I usually do.
I wake up in the morning and I check this sex forum and I reply or write posts, so most of time, my posts contain many mistakes and it reached the point where I mistakenly reply to my own post thinking it is someone else LOL LOL.
Anyways, I wake up and I check this sex forum is my daily routine and it is best thing to do because it make me realize how wonderful this world is with so many prostitutes by looking at this site LOL.
Fortunately my life is filled with so many beautiful dirty filthy memories with so many young beautiful girls with different skin colors LOL.
My first thing in the morning routine of checking international sex forum will continue to the day I die LOL.
LOL its an FKK club. Just put your dick in some white girls mouth and forget about it !
Solo. This horrible racist attitude you describe is totally ignorant and uncouth. I see it has affected you badly as you have reported on it at least three times. At least it seems to be an isolated particular group of people.
Maybe the best thing is to let it go, and try to stop repeating in your head your victim experience: the more you remember it the more the racist bullies win.
If I see any such victimisation in a club I will immediately in front of the bullies make friends with the victim. Usually works well, although one time (not in a club) it led to me flat on my back on the ground! (but then more people came to help).It sounds like this guy doesn't like Orientals banging white chicks hence the kung fu antics LOL. I've noticed quite a few east Asians around FKK clubs but haven't noticed any vitriol against them. I'd report him to management if I were you and get him banned / warned.
LOL its an FKK club. Just put your dick in some white girls mouth and forget about it !I know right? If that was me I'd go find some German girl and pretend she's his sister / wife / daughter and slam away hard.
Sebastiane
04-30-17, 14:29
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this but does anyone know where it is possible to get ballerinas as escorts without having to go to Russia or is it that I need to go to Russia?
Anywhere within Europe would be ideal.
Member #4581
04-30-17, 15:16
Having a meaningful dialog with one's own self is the highest form of FKK nirvana.
- proverbs 51.
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this but does anyone know where it is possible to get ballerinas as escorts without having to go to Russia or is it that I need to go to Russia?
Anywhere within Europe would be ideal.It is highly doubtful that in the world of monger you can specify girls occupation by ordering it.
Maybe if you know broker for escort, it maybe possible that person can look for ballerina who tute in her free time as they are underpaid, but for broker to do that for you, I think you must be very good regular client.
I know that for fact that in Kiev, one extremely rich guy ordered restaurant manager to get him few selection of girlfriend candidates so he pick one, he was presented about 5 models from agency who are early 20's, had dinners with them etc, no sex at that phase and then he picked one as his girlfriend, he is actually sophisticated guy, but old gentleman in his own way.
For those who are worried about the new law:
http://www.craveonline.com/mandatory/1256495-science-finally-designed-robot-gives-perfect-blow-job
Citizen Kane
05-01-17, 18:38
For those who are worried about the new law:
http://www.craveonline.com/mandatory/1256495-science-finally-designed-robot-gives-perfect-blow-jobAbout fucking time...
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/video/2017/apr/27/rise-of-the-sex-robots-video is a more in depth report. It starts with sex dolls and moves onto AI. Of course some feminists say it objectifies women and is part of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) culture. I can't even be bothered to argue with such substandard secondhand off the shelf cliched slogans. Thank god that the women I know are not like the feminist in the film
Call for a ban on robots designed as sex toys.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34118482
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/a72wv/canadian_feminists_already_want_sexbots_banned/
https://youtu.be/PTc-6JPF9o0
Imagine swingers' clubs full of men accompanied by their own personal sexbot. Some men very proud because they have a veeeery expensive sexbot. Other men not feeling so great because their sexbot only cost 5000 dollars instead of 8 or 12 thousand. Some sexbots wearing expensive jewelry. One man attracting all gazes because he's got the latest most expensive sexbot that is a replica of Jenna Jameson or Sophie Moon or Veronica zemanova when she was young. Imagine the swapping, the no-holds-barred orgy !
Now that's a future after my own heart!
P.S. Sexbots will not be banned if nude female models can get rich selling the copyrights to their bodies to the sexbot industry.
Imagine swingers' clubs full of men accompanied by their own personal sexbot. Some men very proud because they have a veeeery expensive sexbot. Other men not feeling so great because their sexbot only cost 5000 dollars instead of 8 or 12 thousand. Some sexbots wearing expensive jewelry. One man attracting all gazes because he's got the latest most expensive sexbot that is a replica of Jenna Jameson or Sophie Moon or Veronica zemanova when she was young. Imagine the swapping, the no-holds-barred orgy !
Now that's a future after my own heart!
P.S. Sexbots will not be banned if nude female models can get rich selling the copyrights to their bodies to the sexbot industry.I prefer organic human sexbot that are already in FKK from various nations that you can change as you choose and you can do what you want based on how much you pay 50 euro per 30 minutes, no maintenance needed for those human organic sexbot.
However, one day upon their retirement, they will marry the man who will maintenance them for rest of their organic life, which will cost them much more than 50 euro or few hundred euros that cost us professional mongers LOL.
We already got good deal on these organic human sexbot in FKK with no maintenance needed.
UltraHappy
05-02-17, 01:15
Ok then, I'm starting a campaign to ban vibrators for women.
Neurosynth
05-02-17, 04:32
For those who are worried about the new law:
http://www.craveonline.com/mandatory/1256495-science-finally-designed-robot-gives-perfect-blow-jobSide note.
What marketing genius decided having a male voice-over was the right choice?
Ok then, I'm starting a campaign to ban vibrators for women.That's the killer argument against opponents of sexbots. If we use the feminist terms, then we can say vibrators reduce men to nothing but a dehumanised penis. Sexbots at least attempt to replicate some kind of broader female attributes and aren't just a synthetic vagina, and could even be used in relationship training for men: that should please the lunatic fringe feminists.
Well, we are not there yet, but once we get a robot that moves like this, then you can sign me up!
https://youtu.be/FphGQqDue8s
Solo Traveler
05-02-17, 16:22
The blow job robots don't look so tempting. You can imagine how fake her face touch like.
I would expect more about Doggy Style robots. But I doubt there are materials that can make the ass touch like a real one.
It is very well said from another thread about mandated service bundled by FKK clubs. It maybe time to move on or suffer by annoying negotiation. It probably better to move to other nation with FKK with BBBJ after July.
You can't underestimate the impact of a mandated bundled service. We never hear about any girl sharking even foreign newbies about charging extras for BBBJ or refusing to provide it for reasons of not liking BBBJ etc. Why is that? Because any man can take her to the front desk if such a thing happens. In clubs in other countries where BBBJ is not bundled into the package and mandated by the management, it's all over the place: some girls provide, some charge $x and others charge $z, yadda yadda.
I hear the old timers that BBBJ was a standard component, every girl provided, and so on. But the genie is out of the bottle, and those days are long gone; ain't coming back. Now, some girls do and some don't. More often, they don't. If you are a regular and they think you will stay a regular, they might. In smaller clubs, more do. Yes, we know all these variants. But it still remains that not every girl is, and that's the crux of it.
I strongly suspect BBBJ market would have evolved the same as DFK in the last few years if it was left to the girls. It stayed the way it did in German clubs because clubs kept it as part of the basic package. Now, in a few weeks, that too is gone. And we will have this same lousy discussion all over again endlessly, except it will be "Lisa provided BBBJ but Maggie doesn't, Mary does but for an extra tenner" and so on. In fact, I wonder how many men will even fess up to getting it if the cops and prosecutors begin a real crackdown with hefty fines etc. Right now, guys keep lists of girls who provide AO and other forbidden services a secret or between close friends (I think; have no personal idea about this), and BBBJ could end up in the same way.
It is very well said from another thread about mandated service bundled by FKK clubs. It maybe time to move on or suffer by annoying negotiation. It probably better to move to other nation with FKK with BBBJ after July.
You can't underestimate the impact of a mandated bundled service. We never hear about any girl sharking even foreign newbies about charging extras for BBBJ or refusing to provide it for reasons of not liking BBBJ etc. Why is that? Because any man can take her to the front desk if such a thing happens. In clubs in other countries where BBBJ is not bundled into the package and mandated by the management, it's all over the place: some girls provide, some charge $x and others charge $z, yadda yadda.
I hear the old timers that BBBJ was a standard component, every girl provided, and so on. But the genie is out of the bottle, and those days are long gone; ain't coming back. Now, some girls do and some don't. More often, they don't. If you are a regular and they think you will stay a regular, they might. In smaller clubs, more do. Yes, we know all these variants. But it still remains that not every girl is, and that's the crux of it.
I strongly suspect BBBJ market would have evolved the same as DFK in the last few years if it was left to the girls. It stayed the way it did in German clubs because clubs kept it as part of the basic package. Now, in a few weeks, that too is gone. And we will have this same lousy discussion all over again endlessly, except it will be "Lisa provided BBBJ but Maggie doesn't, Mary does but for an extra tenner" and so on. In fact, I wonder how many men will even fess up to getting it if the cops and prosecutors begin a real crackdown with hefty fines etc. Right now, guys keep lists of girls who provide AO and other forbidden services a secret or between close friends (I think; have no personal idea about this), and BBBJ could end up in the same way.I think that what could ahve changed is that westerners are not as rich as they used to be as west and east start to become more equal economically. Generally, where there is a lot of money to be made, BBBJ will be standard, regardless of any silly laws or the country. You can go to Thailand, where prostitution isn't even legal and get a BBBJ / CIM in a cafe.
The exception to this will depend on how well the German authorities can regulate it, but I'm not sure a country exists where BBBJ is not provided. For the right price. Let us go to imagination land, where the USA is in the same situation as Romania. If you had a bunch of WGs from the USA and say there was some really rich country and the foreign men went to the USA and started offering $1000 for 30 minutes, but they expected a BBBJ and the girls know, if they don't provide the BBBJ, that $1000 is good elsewhere, be that another country another club or another customer so the men will leave and they won't get the $1000 and the girls know they can get 10 customers a night, an extra $1000 for CIM, and extra $2000 for anal, so for 1 hours work they can easily clear ($2000 + $2000 + $1000 = $5000) tax free. What you think will happen? Will the girls knock back $5000 an hour over a silly BBBJ law? Of course, if the price was only $70 US per half hour, probably they will follow the law.
So my guess is one of 3 things will happen;.
1) Girls stop providing BBBJ, because they can no longer to told they have to do it.
2) Girls continue to provide BBBJ because they get paid a lot and don't want to lose business.
3) Girls want to provide BBBJ but the German authorities police it and prevent it.
But definitely mongering in FKK will be harder and more stressful and probably won't be worth it any longer.
Solo Traveler
05-03-17, 16:08
But definitely mongering in FKK will be harder and more stressful and probably won't be worth it any longer.Let's all go to clubs without spending a penny on the girls, just there to eat, drink, use sauna, take a nap on the loungers, watch the naked or bikini girls for free.
I call it the abstinence training in brothels.
Must be fun.
Will try next time. LOL.
Carpe Viam
05-03-17, 19:39
I get the impression that when we talk about the new legislation, we are only discussing BBBJ.
I heard that the new law also prevents the prohibition of under 21 years and the requirement of an ID card clearly mentioned a prostitute as a profession.
These two measures can reduce some numbers of girls.
Let's all go to clubs without spending a penny on the girls, just there to eat, drink, use sauna, take a nap on the loungers, watch the naked or bikini girls for free.
I call it the abstinence training in brothels.
Must be fun.
Will try next time. LOL.Well going across the mountain into Zurich or Austria can be good option.
I am doing research on gt Vienna and I hear line up is good there.
Also many girls do not want to register as prostitute so they also maybe shift their locations of tuting.
Plus, due to this, FKK in Austria may blossom.
Member #4585
05-04-17, 02:33
I get the impression that when we talk about the new legislation, we are only discussing BBBJ.
I heard that the new law also prevents the prohibition of under 21 years and the requirement of an ID card clearly mentioned a prostitute as a profession.
These two measures can reduce some numbers of girls.Yes. This has been discussed before as well.
My sample of girls asking what are their plans given the new rules have given responses that they have little other choices so will continue to work in FKKs. Others consider working in other countries (but other senior members here cannot believe that is possible given the barriers to entry).
Regarding BBBJ question the answer has been I do not know which usually means that they will stop doing it.
Pricing will be an issue for BBBJ to be continued.
As you may know some of the FKK girls read this forum rather than German forum since their English is better. These girls get many ideas from what is written here on ISG. Once again there are senior members who do not believe this.
I heard that the new law also prevents the prohibition of under 21 years and the requirement of an ID card clearly mentioned a prostitute as a profession.The prohibition of under 21 yo was two years ago in the draft of the new law but it isn't in the final version, so no change on this. Girls must be at least 18 yo for this job.
PussyLiccker
05-04-17, 03:11
What type of ID card is he referring to?
UltraHappy
05-04-17, 04:38
Under 21 is allowed but the 18-20 year olds are required to receive the counseling twice a year, whereas the 21+ only need receive the counseling annually.
What type of ID card is he referring to?I guess any ID card that are used in Germany that has occupation on it and I think also this is partly done by fed to collect tax from tutes promptly.
This makes part time university tutes to walk in to FKK very difficult and also it may lead to some German young tutes to work in neighbor country which is just few hours away by car or train.
Under 21 is allowed but the 18-20 year olds are required to receive the counseling twice a year, whereas the 21+ only need receive the counseling annually.Counselling prostitute? That sound like a good script for porn movie LOL.
The counselor LOL LOL.
Carpe Viam
05-04-17, 08:07
The prohibition of under 21 yo was two years ago in the draft of the new law but it isn't in the final version, so no change on this. Girls must be at least 18 yo for this job.Thank you for your reply.
I asked this question because a girl told me that she takes the vacation after June until her 21 year old birthday because she can not work after the new law. I'll tell her this news so that she stays after July!
Sebastiane
05-04-17, 10:09
Once the BBBJ law comes into effect will it be allowed to take the condom off when you want to come and wank off into the girls face or mouth? This is a serious question!
Once the BBBJ law comes into effect will it be allowed to take the condom off when you want to come and wank off into the girls face or mouth? This is a serious question!OK, but I'm sorry. I have to say. Hahahahahaha! I mean some of you guys seem to be prepared to go through great lengths to get around this "lousy Merkel" law! How's about you just focus on finding girls who will still do it as long as everything stays on the down low? I think that's going to work out just fine. They've been doing it, and I'll be damned if they're going to stop! Some will, plenty more will not. Especially if they know they can charge an extra 50 bills as a premium. And us stupid and needy mongers will pay it too LOL! There's going to be a lot of BBBJ / CIM going on. You mark my words! You read it right here LOL!
Once the BBBJ law comes into effect will it be allowed to take the condom off when you want to come and wank off into the girls face or mouth? This is a serious question!Well as long as your penis do not touch the mouth from legal point of view I guess.
I really wonder if we are making this whole thing big deal? Or will it really have affect.
How are things in Balvaria region where BBBJ is prohibited? Are FKK in that region hard to get BBBJ as standard service or how does it work there?
Member #4585
05-04-17, 22:40
Once the BBBJ law comes into effect will it be allowed to take the condom off when you want to come and wank off into the girls face or mouth? This is a serious question!Wanking is safe sex which is what the condom law is trying to achieve.
Once the BBBJ law comes into effect will it be allowed to take the condom off when you want to come and wank off into the girls face or mouth? This is a serious question!This law will kill any fun out trying to get a BBBJCIM. Instead, the girl will still try and upsell you to a CBJCIM. Some girls will probably try and sell it to you, in secrecy, much like bareback sex, but I am sure the girl would only offer it for the right price or to only her most trusted clients. Who is going to police this anyways?
FiddyCent.
UltraHappy
05-04-17, 23:14
This law will kill any fun out trying to get a BBBJCIM. Instead, the girl will still try and upsell you to a CBJCIM. Some girls will probably try and sell it to you, in secrecy, much like bareback sex, but I am sure the girl would only offer it for the right price or to only her most trusted clients. Who is going to police this anyways?
FiddyCent.If guys are stupid enough to pay for CBJCIM, well, they sort of deserve what they get, don't they?
It would also be difficult to have sympathy for a guy who agrees to pay more for finishing in a condom while having sex. Who the hell would pay extra for that? Finishing is sort of the point of the whole endeavor.
This law will kill any fun out trying to get a BBBJCIM. Instead, the girl will still try and upsell you to a CBJCIM. Some girls will probably try and sell it to you, in secrecy, much like bareback sex, but I am sure the girl would only offer it for the right price or to only her most trusted clients. Who is going to police this anyways?
FiddyCent.Time to say good bye and go across the mountain to Zurich or Austria for more hustle free FKK BBBJ experience.
Under 21 is allowed but the 18-20 year olds are required to receive the counseling twice a year, whereas the 21+ only need receive the counseling annually.Killing off the hooker industry. Of course the rich DE politicians don't care about the jobs they destroy. Seems to be common EU theme.
Banana Boi
05-05-17, 01:59
This law will kill any fun out trying to get a BBBJCIM. Instead, the girl will still try and upsell you to a CBJCIM. It will be 50 euro upsell for BBBJ then another 50 euro upsell for CIM. Total 150 Euro for 30 minutes ending in BBBJCIM. A DEAL!
Killing off the hooker industry. Of course the rich DE politicians don't care about the jobs they destroy. Seems to be common EU theme.Well allegedly, the mayor of Berlins wife was working in Artemis for awhile, there was a report on that. So they should care LOL.
Killing off the hooker industry. Of course the rich DE politicians don't care about the jobs they destroy. Seems to be common EU theme.If they wanted to destroy the sex industry, they could do so by adapting the Swedish model.
Member #4581
05-05-17, 03:15
If guys are stupid enough to pay for CBJCIM, well, they sort of deserve what they get, don't they?
It would also be difficult to have sympathy for a guy who agrees to pay more for finishing in a condom while having sex. Who the hell would pay extra for that? Finishing is sort of the point of the whole endeavor.Next step on that path is to pay for jacking off while watching a naked girl.
Banana Boi
05-05-17, 05:21
How many guys are considering to stop going to Germany to hobby if you start seeing a 50 euro upsell for BBBJ? If so, where will you go hobby?
Personally I'm not much of a BJ guy so makes no difference to me. Just another annoying upsell option I have to say no to. I think I've only ever done 4 upsells in my life. Twice for anal at Magnum cause it was 25 euro, once for CIM at World since the blonde had a beautiful face, and once I regrettably gave in to DFK because it was on my bucket list to DFK this girl.
Next step on that path is to pay for jacking off while watching a naked girl.Oh, we already have that in the States haha!
I am not sure if the format of asking a question here on ISG can be defined as a survey. If that is what you are looking for. Only time will tell if attendance drops or not. Personal opinnions does not allways equates to statistics too.
How many guys are considering to stop going to Germany to hobby if you start seeing a 50 euro upsell for BBBJ? If so, where will you go hobby?
Personally I'm not much of a BJ guy so makes no difference to me. Just another annoying upsell option I have to say no to. I think I've only ever done 4 upsells in my life. Twice for anal at Magnum cause it was 25 euro, once for CIM at World since the blonde had a beautiful face, and once I regrettably gave in to DFK because it was on my bucket list to DFK this girl.I will accept one hour for BBBJ, but if they charge separate amount for BBBJ, then I am going to change my destination.
I will give try at Goldentime Vienna because I hear lineup there is good and solid meaning they have good optical level of stunners in lineup, which are the girls I seeks for. I hear GT is the only club in Vienna that has good stunners with reasonable price that are same range as german FKK.
If Vienna fail then I got no choice, but to head to Zurich.
Neurosynth
05-05-17, 08:55
If AO goes away I may too. Willing to pay double current rate at RTC clubs.
I guess any ID card that are used in Germany that has occupation on it.I think not.
If Vienna fail then I got no choice, but to head to Zurich.Not really. You still have the 2 clubs in Villach (Wellcum and Andiamo), and the 2 dutch clubs just across the border, SixSense and YinYang. And I also hear Mystic in Salzburg has good lineup from time to time. Maybe also Paradise in Graz and one club across the Slovenian border, Marina, where you can hunt for first wives (lol).
Personally it is not a chance in hell that I will pay those swizz prices... it is almost at the bottom of my world list. Even holding Kenya above... not to mention the funny priced Marbella houses which are probably also a better deal now with the retarded swizz franc....
Hessen Bub
05-05-17, 18:55
How are things in Balvaria region where BBBJ is prohibited? Are FKK in that region hard to get BBBJ as standard service or how does it work there?That was discussed before. Different situation, BBBJ was illegal for the girls, men were not fined. BBBJ was a standad in all FKK in Bavaria or Saarland I've been to.
HB.
I will accept one hour for BBBJ, but if they charge separate amount for BBBJ, then I am going to change my destination. If Vienna fail then I got no choice, but to head to Zurich.I'm prepared to pull out of Europe altogether. For me, Switzerland is not a viable option, and I'm just not convinced that Austria can measure up to Germany. Most people familiar with the subject seem to opine that Austria is no substitute for the German FKK scene. Vienna lost the Austro-Prussian War and the German states have a better sex industry too LOL! Will just have to see what happens, but if the scene tanks in Germany for whatever reason, then I'm prepared to focus elsewhere, in particular in South America. I know that's not an option for you Ho because it's so far away for you. Let's just hope for the best!
Christian G
05-05-17, 19:51
How many guys are considering to stop going to Germany to hobby if you start seeing a 50 euro upsell for BBBJ? If so, where will you go hobby?If BBBJ will be an extra most likely I'll stop to going in Germany. Swiss, Austria (Wellcum, Andiamo, Casa Carintia, Circolo Passion) and Slovenia (Marina) are 3-5 hrs by car, easy to have a daily trip with car and some friends, not need to take a flight, rent a car and pay for hotel as for Germany.
Holland (Six Sense and Yin Yang) and small brothels in Spain could be a good option.
Or I'll save my money for more trips in Asia.
I'm prepared to pull out of Europe altogether. For me, Switzerland is not a viable option, and I'm just not convinced that Austria can measure up to Germany. Most people familiar with the subject seem to opine that Austria is no substitute for the German FKK scene. Vienna lost the Austro-Prussian War and the German states have a better sex industry too LOL! Will just have to see what happens, but if the scene tanks in Germany for whatever reason, then I'm prepared to focus elsewhere, in particular in South America. I know that's not an option for you Ho because it's so far away for you. Let's just hope for the best!Well you got the sunny side up Brazil welcoming you with open butt cheek LOL.
As for Austria, if I shift and try out GT Vienna, I will let you know. I hear that it is similar LU a bit to Artemis, mixed, mostly Ro but find two or three real stunner with mild upsell, and for me BBBJ with stunners are must LOL.
Not really. You still have the 2 clubs in Villach (Wellcum and Andiamo), and the 2 dutch clubs just across the border, SixSense and YinYang. And I also hear Mystic in Salzburg has good lineup from time to time. Maybe also Paradise in Graz and one club across the Slovenian border, Marina, where you can hunt for first wives (lol).
Personally it is not a chance in hell that I will pay those swizz prices... it is almost at the bottom of my world list. Even holding Kenya above... not to mention the funny priced Marbella houses which are probably also a better deal now with the retarded swizz franc....Yeah, but yin yang is hard to get and I think the girls in club like GT Bruggen continue as it is due to good service there.
Personally I have interest in GT Vienna if things go bad for german FKK, because I hear few stunners are always in line up there and my expectation of stunner is quite high optically like Eleny style at oceans minimum is what I call stunners and in most club it is hard to find that sometimes.
Salzberg, you land in Munich no? Then take train, you got mystic then if failed LU then you got expensive alternative of Babylon there.
That was discussed before. Different situation, BBBJ was illegal for the girls, men were not fined. BBBJ was a standad in all FKK in Bavaria or Saarland I've been to.
HB.That is even better then as girls had to be careful there now girls are off the hook so it is our risk, and I like controlled risk and I am in control in room and not cops LOL.
Member #4581
05-05-17, 23:29
How many guys are considering to stop going to Germany to hobby if you start seeing a 50 euro upsell for BBBJ? If so, where will you go hobby?
Personally I'm not much of a BJ guy so makes no difference to me. Just another annoying upsell option I have to say no to. I think I've only ever done 4 upsells in my life. Twice for anal at Magnum cause it was 25 euro, once for CIM at World since the blonde had a beautiful face, and once I regrettably gave in to DFK because it was on my bucket list to DFK this girl.Perhaps all the girls will be persuaded to do BLS because BBBJ is no longer legal, LOL.
Seriously, I like BBBJ but sure can live w / o it I am sure, if it comes to it. There is so much more to an FKK than just BBBJ.
So, for me status quo, bbbj or Cbj
Smoke Light
05-06-17, 00:51
Perhaps all the girls will be persuaded to do BLS because BBBJ is no longer legal, LOL.
Seriously, I like BBBJ but sure can live w / o it I am sure, if it comes to it. There is so much more to an FKK than just BBBJ.
So, for me status quo, bbbj or CbjI wish I was like you, but I am a CIM addict. I can live with either BBBJ or CBJ, but CIM is what really matters. July 1st looks very troubling to me.
Oh, we already have that in the States haha!Seriously?
I once walked into strip club in Phoenix Arizona and walked out, why I walked out because I felt bit scared somehow simply because I was like 20 or 21 years old and new to the scene, but I remember it seemed girls were really hot at that strip club, I thought you can touch and they can give you BBBJ at strip club in USA?
I wish I was like you, but I am a CIM addict. I can live with either BBBJ or CBJ, but CIM is what really matters. July 1st looks very troubling to me.More mongers allow, further girls and feminists will take, so I will settle one hour session hurdle for BBBJ, but no separate charge.
If girls begin only to their favor offerings, I will choose just 50 euro 30 min session fuck her hard doggy and that is all my use for German FKK then I am off to other nation.
Salzberg, you land in Munich no? Then take train, you got mystic then if failed LU then you got expensive alternative of Babylon there.I was thinking roundtrip whole Austria. Landing in Vienna. But can also land in salzburg. I prefer rental car myself, so trying to stick to one country at a time. But can allways land in munich and take a train from there too I guess.
Yes, Alexia who has been to Sharks a few times are a GT Vienna girl normally I think. And she is a stunner in my book too.
I was thinking roundtrip whole Austria. Landing in Vienna. But can also land in salzburg. I prefer rental car myself, so trying to stick to one country at a time. But can allways land in munich and take a train from there too I guess.
Yes, Alexia who has been to Sharks a few times are a GT Vienna girl normally I think. And she is a stunner in my book too.Well what I read and heard via my research on GT Vienna is that the line up there is bit like Artemis in golden days back in few years ago, meaning line up is mostly romanians, but it contain few stunners usually about two or three stunners that are real beauty and they tend to up sell but just mildly.
I began looking into GT Vienna as my alternative to German FKK after July if things go bad in German FKK.
I will make last trip before summer then I will wait till winter to decide how things change especially September and October time. Then if things are normal as it is now in German FKK, I will make a trip to Germany again in late November or early December.
I hope it won't change that much as I sometimes feel we mongers are making big deal as it really is big deal if BBBJ is taken away, but in reality it will be like Bavaria region and you can get BBBJ quite easily it seems there.
Sebastiane
05-07-17, 00:54
Mr Ho,
I agree with you but I am hoping that BBBJ will continue to be offered 'off the record' -- I will monitor this board for feedback from July 1st afterwards. I wanted to ask if this new law only applies to FKKs and or brothels? I mean does it apply to the 1000's of girls who work as independent escorts, or girls on kaufmich etc? I don't see how it possibly could. Then the solution is easy: continue visiting FKKs for all the other cool stuff. I def will (I can live without BBBJ in FKK clubs if I have to) -and visit these independent escorts for those times when only BBBJ will do. My hunch is things will probably stay as is except girl will begin charging extra for BBBJ; the only possible worry is if you ask a girl for BBBJ she could in theory report you to the club who could then report you to the police or the girls can use this threat to ask for more money. Give me 100 extra or I will tell you asked for BBBJ.
Sebastiane
05-07-17, 01:19
Do (will) the police have the right to install hidden cameras in the bedrooms of FKKs or 'ask' the owners to do so in order to ensure the new condom law after July 1st is enforced?
Sebastiane
05-07-17, 01:43
OK, but I'm sorry. I have to say. Hahahahahaha! I mean some of you guys seem to be prepared to go through great lengths to get around this "lousy Merkel" law! How's about you just focus on finding girls who will still do it as long as everything stays on the down low? I think that's going to work out just fine. They've been doing it, and I'll be damned if they're going to stop! Some will, plenty more will not. Especially if they know they can charge an extra 50 bills as a premium. And us stupid and needy mongers will pay it too LOL! There's going to be a lot of BBBJ / CIM going on. You mark my words! You read it right here LOL!I think Mr Cane has nailed it in this reply!
Mr Ho,
I agree with you but I am hoping that BBBJ will continue to be offered 'off the record' -- I will monitor this board for feedback from July 1st afterwards. I wanted to ask if this new law only applies to FKKs and or brothels? I mean does it apply to the 1000's of girls who work as independent escorts, or girls on kaufmich etc? I don't see how it possibly could. Then the solution is easy: continue visiting FKKs for all the other cool stuff. I def will (I can live without BBBJ in FKK clubs if I have to) -and visit these independent escorts for those times when only BBBJ will do. My hunch is things will probably stay as is except girl will begin charging extra for BBBJ; the only possible worry is if you ask a girl for BBBJ she could in theory report you to the club who could then report you to the police or the girls can use this threat to ask for more money. Give me 100 extra or I will tell you asked for BBBJ.I think it apply to all paid sex.
However, for me the I hate the hassle of making effort to get BBBJ if it get into negotiation with tutes, so if it get hard upsell I will shift my winter mongering trip to gt vienna maybe as I have not been there and also to Vienna.
Do (will) the police have the right to install hidden cameras in the bedrooms of FKKs or 'ask' the owners to do so in order to ensure the new condom law after July 1st is enforced?Are you applying to become a german cop? You naughty boy!
I think Mr Cane has nailed it in this reply!He always nails it, especially the Brazilian ass LOL.
Member #4585
05-07-17, 10:13
OK, but I'm sorry. I have to say. Hahahahahaha! I mean some of you guys seem to be prepared to go through great lengths to get around this "lousy Merkel" law! How's about you just focus on finding girls who will still do it as long as everything stays on the down low? I think that's going to work out just fine. They've been doing it, and I'll be damned if they're going to stop! Some will, plenty more will not. Especially if they know they can charge an extra 50 bills as a premium. And us stupid and needy mongers will pay it too LOL! There's going to be a lot of BBBJ / CIM going on. You mark my words! You read it right here LOL!It seems that with one's pre-existing regular girls you will be grandfathered in under the old standard of service levels.
The more pressing question is with new girls not known to you how to get in under their grandfathering schemes.
Further question is with brand new girls in the industry not having the history of BBBJ whether they will even contemplate any sort of two tier service level.
Well, apparently the locals expect service offerings to stay.
It's safe to say that for the vast majority of customers BBBJ will not be on offer from July 1st even if the guys that go go Oase every week may get away with it for a while. Paying "tip" or considering BBBJ an extra is a similar outcome as not being offered. Won't happen to a lot of guys.
It seems that with one's pre-existing regular girls you will be grandfathered in under the old standard of service levels.
The more pressing question is with new girls not known to you how to get in under their grandfathering schemes.
Further question is with brand new girls in the industry not having the history of BBBJ whether they will even contemplate any sort of two tier service level.
Member #4581
05-07-17, 15:44
It seems that with one's pre-existing regular girls you will be grandfathered in under the old standard of service levels.
The more pressing question is with new girls not known to you how to get in under their grandfathering schemes.
Further question is with brand new girls in the industry not having the history of BBBJ whether they will even contemplate any sort of two tier service level.I doubt that those regular girls will have any sort of loyalty to their "regular guys"
If indeed 50 E (or whatever is the amount) becomes a necessary tip for BBBJ, the girl will expect it from all men, pre existing regular or not.
Does the regular currently receive anal or CIM or any such thing for free? No. Because she gets paid extra for those services from other men, and she expects the same from her regular.
In fact, being a regular carries an extra burden. The guy is supposed to pamper the girl and be nicer than other guys to maintain his "regular" status.
UltraHappy
05-07-17, 19:25
However, for me the I hate the hassle of making effort to get BBBJ if it get into negotiation with tutes, so if it get hard upsell I will shift my winter mongering trip to gt vienna maybe as I have not been there and also to Vienna.Is it so hard to say, "Ah, I see. Then I don't go the room with you then" or simply walk away?
I guarantee that when you walk by them again later, they will be more agreeable if they are just sitting around doing nothing. If if she is not more agreeable later, then you just saved yourself from getting stuck with a girl who is not very motivated. Win / win!
I'm thinking it won't be so complicated after July 1st.
In fact, being a regular carries an extra burden. The guy is supposed to pamper the girl and be nicer than other guys to maintain his "regular" status.If the customer is a platinum-level spender, she'd should be doing everything to retain him--at least I'd hope. He's pampering her a monetary sense, I suppose. But I'd hope that this type of man knows his worth and the type of leverage that he commands. He should suggest to her that she is the lucky one, and that he could just as easily move on to the next.
Most ISGers are spending more than me. So I don't know why you all are so worried. Attendance seems to be down across the board or at least inconsistent. May 1st may have been anomaly. Sharks was unusually empty today for Sunday. I saw the WG's despondent faces. The type of faces that you only see after three disappointing weekend days: Fri, Sat, Sun. Later upon speaking to a few WGs, they confirmed my suspicions.
Is it so hard to say, "Ah, I see. Then I don't go the room with you then" or simply walk away?
I guarantee that when you walk by them again later, they will be more agreeable if they are just sitting around doing nothing. If if she is not more agreeable later, then you just saved yourself from getting stuck with a girl who is not very motivated. Win / win!
I'm thinking it won't be so complicated after July 1st.Well my stance is simply, I will then opt for 30 min 50 euro session, then I just do her doggy style hardcore that is it and this will be my use for German FKK.
I will negotiate in room always not outside.
I saw the WG's despondent faces. The type of faces that you only see after three disappointing weekend days: Fri, Sat, Sun. Later upon speaking to a few WGs, they confirmed my suspicions.I always see those faces regardless of customer attendance. All these WG feels like business is bad because they they aren't getting 10 1 H sessions with all extras. These WG aren't satisfied unless they suck everyone's wallet dry. I wouldn't rely on any WG opinion on how the actual business is doing. If anything I'd chat with the front desk and ask how the business is recently.
Also who cares, less men means less waiting time and more selection. These WG complain all day but they would never go get a real job because even on a shit day at a FKK is more than they'll ever make back home. Just pump away.
I doubt that those regular girls will have any sort of loyalty to their "regular guys"A smart girl would be wise to hold up her service level for regulars. Don't forget all those interpersonal impulses you don't want to dish out if you want resales.
I've had girls who suddenly tried upselling on me who I just ditched thinking there are plenty of girls to choose from anyway...
McA: do you think it may be because alot of tourists are also moving into nrw these days? Untill now nrw has had very few tourists, but it seems like it is growing in that area... so instead of having 5-1 hessen-nrw, you have maybe 4-2 now?
Pistons, I don't think there are more tourists diverting from Hessen to NRW.
Someone who is attending Sharks at least once a week might be better suited to comment on this trend over time. Part of the disappoint could have been due to just the WGs not expecting a slow weekend. When it is Christmas, Easter, or World Cup, the girls expect business to be slow, so there is less of a letdown.
Member #4581
05-08-17, 03:09
If the customer is a platinum-level spender, she'd should be doing everything to retain him--at least I'd hope. He's pampering her a monetary sense, I suppose. But I'd hope that this type of man knows his worth and the type of leverage that he commands. He should suggest to her that she is the lucky one, and that he could just as easily move on to the next.
Most ISGers are spending more than me. So I don't know why you all are so worried. Attendance seems to be down across the board or at least inconsistent. May 1st may have been anomaly. Sharks was unusually empty today for Sunday. I saw the WG's despondent faces. The type of faces that you only see after three disappointing weekend days: Fri, Sat, Sun. Later upon speaking to a few WGs, they confirmed my suspicions.A platinum spender probably knows his value to the girl, but also probably emotionally compromised. Yes, the girl provides some goodies I suppose, such as more couch time, more bulk and bundled deals, more passionate sessions obviously, and so on. But rarely are they providing free extras; if the regular negotiates for an all night for a grand, perhaps all extras could be included, but if it is a 3 HR session, the girl still would not throw in a free anal and CIM in that type of session. That's what I mean by "regular is not getting anything anymore than a normal guy would get in terms of extras". So, if BBBJ becomes a paid extra, as standard as a anal or CIM, she is likely to charge the regular also an extra for the bbbj
What complicates this is that BBBJ is technically illegal. So, it's status as a paid extra is very murky. Anal and CIM are quite legal now, and clearly defined as extras. So, I am speculating here, but I could be completely wrong on everything I said here (probably applies to 95% of what I type 🤓.
(Pistons - you snipped just a portion of my comment, which takes it out of context. What I meant by loyalty was providing free extras; I was saying that if the girl could charge others 50E, she is unlikely to give her so called regulars a free bbbj for too long. She needs the regulars to make more money than she normally could; not the other way around)
And I think a guy does spend more on his regular than on other girls, relative to how much sex he actually has. Sessions last much longer, but most of that is chatting and other fluff. Some guys give gifts and other things. Percent of time spent on pure sex is likely to be less with a regular than in a session with a non regular girl.
A platinum spender probably knows his value to the girl, but also probably emotionally compromised. Yes, the girl provides some goodies I suppose, such as more couch time, more bulk and bundled deals, more passionate sessions obviously, and so on. But rarely are they providing free extras; if the regular negotiates for an all night for a grand, perhaps all extras could be included, but if it is a 3 HR session, the girl still would not throw in a free anal and CIM in that type of session. That's what I mean by "regular is not getting anything anymore than a normal guy would get in terms of extras". So, if BBBJ becomes a paid extra, as standard as a anal or CIM, she is likely to charge the regular also an extra for the BBBJ
What complicates this is that BBBJ is technically illegal. So, it's status as a paid extra is very murky. Anal and CIM are quite legal now, and clearly defined as extras. So, I am speculating here, but I could be completely wrong on everything I said here (probably applies to 95% of what I type 🤓.
And I think a guy does spend more on his regular than on other girls, relative to how much sex he actually has. Sessions last much longer, but most of that is chatting and other fluff. Some guys give gifts and other things. Percent of time spent on pure sex is likely to be less with a regular than in a session with a non regular girl.Sometimes with all these complication, negotiation and bogus up selling with holding service, it is much more better maybe to go to Globe Zurich LOL.
There you pay more, but 30 minute is 30 minute and you get all promised service without all this negotiation etc. There are no holding service there.
Smoke Light
05-08-17, 12:17
Well my stance is simply, I will then opt for 30 min 50 euro session, then I just do her doggy style hardcore that is it and this will be my use for German FKK.
I will negotiate in room always not outside.So true, Mr Ho! Nice and emotional BBBJ rises spiritual sentiment of any session. Since CIM was my top priority, for girls who provided proper BBBJ / CIM in the past, I gave tips, presents. Perfumes, jewelry, took them out shopping, movies, and dinners. Now as July 1st law takes humanity out of mongering, my FKK rules become:
(1) brief pre-zimmer interview: e. G. What extra services do you provide? Just listen to what she says. No commitments or promises. None.
(2) upselling attempts- HAHAHAHAHA- as Pistons said, plenty of girls to choose from.
(3) 30 min rooms only, unless it's a validated repeat with well known expectation.
(4) as CIM service vanishes, I am shifting heavily into anal. I may even choose uglier tutes for that.
(5) in zimmer: behave like a really mean motherfucker. Only hardcore, balls deep, rough fuck. I will actually skip CBJ part as it doesn't do much for me.
(6) after zimmer: no tips, strictly 50 Euro. Always.
(7) don't repeat as much. Choose new girls.
As a general guideline, I will expand my voyage to more clubs. I used to get stuck in a Bermuda triangle H7-GT-LR. Now it makes more sense to go other places to find more girls to fuck.
Smoke Light and Mr Ho. I can see your approach. If workers abandon selling a romantic illusion then it is no surprise if customers take the remaining option of an uncomplicated soulless fuck.
I know I overstate this but it has some merit as an analysis.
A platinum spender probably knows his value to the girl, but also probably emotionally compromised. Yes, the girl provides some goodies I suppose, such as more couch time, more bulk and bundled deals, more passionate sessions obviously, and so on. But rarely are they providing free extras; if the regular negotiates for an all night for a grand, perhaps all extras could be included, but if it is a 3 HR session, the girl still would not throw in a free anal and CIM in that type of session.Note my usage of the word "should" and "I would hope". I suspect you are closer to the truth. I don't think 3 HR session would put a man in the platinum category. But I'd like to think if some guy spent 10 K over six months, I hope he's getting frequent flyer upgrades. These girls work in sales. Big accounts SHOULD matter. Salespeople wine and dine their high value prospects, not the other way around.
So true, Mr Ho! Nice and emotional BBBJ rises spiritual sentiment of any session. Since CIM was my top priority, for girls who provided proper BBBJ / CIM in the past, I gave tips, presents. Perfumes, jewelry, took them out shopping, movies, and dinners. Now as July 1st law takes humanity out of mongering, my FKK rules become:
(1) brief pre-zimmer interview: e. G. What extra services do you provide? Just listen to what she says. No commitments or promises. None.
(2) upselling attempts- HAHAHAHAHA- as Pistons said, plenty of girls to choose from.
(3) 30 min rooms only, unless it's a validated repeat with well known expectation.
(4) as CIM service vanishes, I am shifting heavily into anal. I may even choose uglier tutes for that.
(5) in zimmer: behave like a really mean motherfucker. Only hardcore, balls deep, rough fuck. I will actually skip CBJ part as it doesn't do much for me.
(6) after zimmer: no tips, strictly 50 Euro. Always.
(7) don't repeat as much. Choose new girls.
As a general guideline, I will expand my voyage to more clubs. I used to get stuck in a Bermuda triangle H7-GT-LR. Now it makes more sense to go other places to find more girls to fuck.Then I will have to shift my destination to another BBBJ nation like Austria as I wrote.
Member #4581
05-08-17, 23:44
Note my usage of the word "should" and "I would hope". I suspect you are closer to the truth. I don't think 3 HR session would put a man in the platinum category. But I'd like to think if some guy spent 10 K over six months, I hope he's getting frequent flyer upgrades. These girls work in sales. Big accounts SHOULD matter. Salespeople wine and dine their high value prospects, not the other way around.Actually, I should have been more careful with my definitions. I was not thinking 10 K in a few months. Perhaps at that level, she might be throwing in a whole lot of upgrades as you said McA. I hope that's not what it takes to obtain a BBBJ going forward.
It seems that with one's pre-existing regular girls you will be grandfathered in under the old standard of service levels.
The more pressing question is with new girls not known to you how to get in under their grandfathering schemes.
Further question is with brand new girls in the industry not having the history of BBBJ whether they will even contemplate any sort of two tier service level.Yea I'd be surprised if any of my current regulars would ask for CBJ after July 1st. It's the new young talents that I want to CIM with. I enjoy the look on their face after I fill their mouth with my taste. My regulars are quite familiar with my taste so the excitement just isn't the same. Although I know already that one of my regulars is planning to retire or leave Germany after the new law so I might lose some BBBJ action if the rest follows. Will be interesting to see what happens. Hopefully I can squeeze in a trip in June but if not I'll need to wait till November. Oh well maybe by then people here will also know a better place to go. I might give Canada a try since it's closer to me.
UltraHappy
05-09-17, 01:01
(5) in zimmer: behave like a really mean motherfucker. Only hardcore, balls deep, rough fuck. I will actually skip CBJ part as it doesn't do much for me.
So, you must be a Dale Carnegie devotee as it sounds like you studied and took to heart his book, "How to Win Friends and Influence People. ".
Bravo sir! Bravo!
BadinSweet
05-09-17, 01:05
Wow, maybe I should expect more then. I always keep a record of how many times, how long in the room, etc with the girls. So far I have spent 9,400 Euro on this one girl since I know her (you can probably guess who), not including gifts I bought her. I think most I got from her was / is discount for when she come and spend time with me in the hotel. I don't pay ridiculous amount when she come see me outside so, I'm not complaining.
Badin, I am not spending that type of money on one WG. Just hypothetical and second hand probably inaccurate knowledge.
Jnpr30, even though our definition of "platinum" was different, I still think you were closer to the truth. If a WG knows she got 10 K from a customer in a 6-month timespan and she know's that he is not a millionaire, she's going to extrapolate that the monger is in love with her. No need to offer loyalty rewards to this type of customer.
Open format of FKK clubs can also provide the WG with insight. Badin's favorite can watch his movements in the club. If she knows that Badin only goes to her, or that his number two girl probably only got about 1000 EUR in the last six months, then she may assume that she has all the leverage she needs.
Smoke Light and Mr Ho. I can see your approach. If workers abandon selling a romantic illusion then it is no surprise if customers take the remaining option of an uncomplicated soulless fuck.
I know I overstate this but it has some merit as an analysis.Well as a monger, I do enjoy girl especially real stunner who provide emotional romantic session.
However, as a monger, I do realize that I am there to fuck more than having emotional sex, so if girl begin to up sell based on GF experience. , I may choose to just fuck her hard for 50 euro depending on what she put on table and the price being reasonable I may buy that up sell. Reasonable price meaning longer session not this much more that are crazy amount for do this and that. Then sky is the limit for us mongers.
I am fair guy, so I expect girl to be fair enough too, then up sell is OK, it has to serve both parties not just her, which is the case most of the time LOL LOL.
I read translated posts on another forum that enforcement and interpretation of the law will depend on state or municipal authorities instead of federal government.
Hessen Bub
05-09-17, 13:54
I read translated posts on another forum that enforcement and interpretation of the law will depend on state or municipal authorities instead of federal government.Interpretation. No. Implementation and enforcement. Yes.
HB.
Hi everyone,
I am planning a travel to Frankfurt for the dates between 18.05-22.05. 2017.
Is there anything, messe, event, national holiday, easter etc to be considered for these dates?
Regards.
Member #4585
05-09-17, 20:18
Hi everyone,
I am planning a travel to Frankfurt for the dates between 18.05-22.05. 2017.
Is there anything, messe, event, national holiday, easter etc to be considered for these dates?
Regards.Not quite within your date range, but some will be getting ready before Ramadan starting maybe Saturday 27 May.
http://irusa.org/seven-ways-to-prepare-for-ramadan/
Member #4585
05-09-17, 20:20
Yea I'd be surprised if any of my current regulars would ask for CBJ after July 1st.I am fully expecting some regulars to ask for extra or to require CBJ saying it's the law or its the club rule now.
I am fully expecting some regulars to ask for extra or to require CBJ saying its the law or its the club rule now.Well one hour longer session with BBBJ.
Or.
50 euro pure bang session.
This above is my final offer to girls. If it all get complicated, then I am going to try out Austria or just go to zurich because if upsell get too much for BBBJ, DFK etc. It will be almost same price range as globe Zurich where there is no annoying negotiation and they do provide.
Member #4581
05-10-17, 00:34
Of course, the first (and repeated for a good measure) second rules were meant to be broken. If no one ever talks about them, where and how do they recruit new guys? I think the fella himself (Tyler I think) says I see a bunch of new faces, so I know you guys broke the rule.
Perhaps this goes to Neuro's point. The point is not to keep quiet but for everyone to speak up and write who gave them BBBJ, AO, other forbidden stuff. The rule is broken so brazenly and so openly by so very many, that its out of control and quickly irrelevant 😀.
LOL.
I will make my own amendments to the rule. 8th: After your first visit to a fkk, you have to post a detailed report. 6th: Not a stitch of cloth on the girls. 7th: 30 min session will last till the 30th minute, damnit...
P.S. Was never a fan of this cult hit movie myself as I prefer (watching) someone fuck the shit out of a girl than a guy beat the shit out of another guy, although I love Ed Norton to death.
I am fully expecting some regulars to ask for extra or to require CBJ saying its the law or its the club rule now.I totally agree. These tutes are greedy, many of them resent us as clients (even though the overwhelming majority of them voluntarily choose to sell their bodies for money), and they will try to squeeze for every last cent they can get. After all, all's fair in love and prostitution. Plenty of guys are about to find out just how much these prostitutes value their "relationship" LOL! Just like in Bavaria now, the word will be, "That will be 50 euro extra"! Hahaha!
Bavaria want 50 extra for BBBJ when I was at colosseum.
Bavaria want 50 extra for BBBJ when I was at colosseum.If they charge DFK BBBJ as two extra up selling. Price will be same or even bit more than globe Zurich, where they give you real DFK.
So unless I can spit into their mouth or something in german FKK. What is the point negotiating to be like globe zurich LOL.
I totally agree. These tutes are greedy, many of them resent us as clients (even though the overwhelming majority of them voluntarily choose to sell their bodies for money), and they will try to squeeze for every last cent they can get. After all, all's fair in love and prostitution. Plenty of guys are about to find out just how much these prostitutes value their "relationship" LOL! Just like in Bavaria now, the word will be, "That will be 50 euro extra"! Hahaha!The only relationship that hold us and tutes are money honey LOL.
Bavaria want 50 extra for BBBJ when I was at colosseum.Ffs meant to say wasn't. Auto correct can eat a dick.
BackpackBrian
05-11-17, 07:32
I've been to both Palace and Sharks many times, but I'll be arriving in Frankfurt on Saturday and I'd just like to hear from other mongers where they would go on their first day in Frankfurt?
I know that Palace does a lot of upselling and most of the girls don't kiss, but there is a draw to the place that I can't describe. Many it's how stuck up most of the women are there. I've actually been denied a couple of times and I'm really attractive and in really good shape. I guess they determined to was only a $50/ session guy.
Sharks is great in size and variety of women but it's a little farther outside of town but has a cheaper entrance fee.
With my other experienced mongers where would you go on your first day?
I've been to both Palace and Sharks many times, but I'll be arriving in Frankfurt on Saturday and I'd just like to hear from other mongers where they would go on their first day in Frankfurt? With my other experienced mongers where would you go on your first day?My customary routine upon arrival in Frankfurt is as follows:
1. On the first day Mainhattan in the mid-afternoon to very early evening, then over to Palace where the real fun begins!
2. Second day Oase.
3. Third day World.
4. Fourth day Sharks.
This is how I do it. But, after not sessioning at Mainhattan for several years now, I just don't feel like I would be missing anything by not going there. So on any future trip, I will very likely just skip Mainhattan and spend the entire first day at Palace. The Palace holds a very special place in my heart as it is the very first FKK I ever went to, and where I started fucking blonde, Czech Gina hehehe!
FormulaOneFan
05-11-17, 22:51
We all have our rituals. I always start at sharks. Probably why have more favorite girls there than any other club!
I may have to make a return visit to mainhattan and palace this next trip for old times sake.
My customary routine upon arrival in Frankfurt is as follows:
1. On the first day Mainhattan in the mid-afternoon to very early evening, then over to Palace where the real fun begins!
2. Second day Oase.
3. Third day World.
4. Fourth day Sharks.
This is how I do it. But, after not sessioning at Mainhattan for several years now, I just don't feel like I would be missing anything by not going there. So on any future trip, I will very likely just skip Mainhattan and spend the entire first day at Palace. The Palace holds a very special place in my heart as it is the very first FKK I ever went to, and where I started fucking blonde, Czech Gina hehehe!Optical quality of stunners at Palace tend to be higher than other FKK I have been to in past 7 years.
However, Artemis once used to contain few, but really top optical level stunners, but not in this recent 2 years.
Palace still remain few good stunners optically and they tend to add one on each time I visit, but I am worried that with current stunners retire soon due to age. Stunners level optically will go down in near future.
Palace always been the club that I find the exact level of stunners I seek for optically, so I hope this stunner level at Palace will continue.
I've been to both Palace and Sharks many times, but I'll be arriving in Frankfurt on Saturday and I'd just like to hear from other mongers where they would go on their first day in Frankfurt?
I know that Palace does a lot of upselling and most of the girls don't kiss, but there is a draw to the place that I can't describe. Many it's how stuck up most of the women are there. I've actually been denied a couple of times and I'm really attractive and in really good shape. I guess they determined to was only a $50/ session guy.
Sharks is great in size and variety of women but it's a little farther outside of town but has a cheaper entrance fee.
With my other experienced mongers where would you go on your first day?Definitely Sharks. No brainer.
Sebastiane
05-12-17, 15:50
Palace has always had stunners and will continue to do so and it is the easiest to get to from Frankfurt city centre. Definitely should be on your list. Ignore the cries of upsell etc on here- it happens at every club- and go and have a good time. It'll be an experience at the very least. Of course Sharks is also an outstanding club but it's in Darmstadt just outside Frankfurt itself. Definitely visit Sharks too but don't miss out on Palace. It has great facilities and some beautiful girls.
Palace has always had stunners and will continue to do so and it is the easiest to get to from Frankfurt city centre. Definitely should be on your list. Ignore the cries of upsell etc on here- it happens at every club- and go and have a good time. It'll be an experience at the very least. Of course Sharks is also an outstanding club but it's in Darmstadt just outside Frankfurt itself. Definitely visit Sharks too but don't miss out on Palace. It has great facilities and some beautiful girls.Well but the up selling that takes place in Palace is in totally different level to other FKK clubs LOL.
In NRW up selling is much more mild, fair and cuter.
My view is Oase is energetic, while Sharks is calm. Pretty girls in both clubs. Better quality girls at Oase, but more upsell, more sharks. At Oase you can get public BJ. You don't have to say "lets go room", you can just say "suck my dick" and she'll start sucking, then you go room.
My view is Oase is energetic, while Sharks is calm. Pretty girls in both clubs. Better quality girls at Oase, but more upsell, more sharks. At Oase you can get public BJ. You don't have to say "lets go room", you can just say "suck my dick" and she'll start sucking, then you go room.I hear tourist bus comes to Oase time to time, I think this change to up selling club. Well I only been to Oase once, I felt upselling was as hard as Palace.
As for Sharks LU, I think the same as you. I never thought the LU at shark is strong at all, but younger, no stunners.
Palace still remain few good stunners optically and they tend to add one on each time I visit, but I am worried that with current stunners retire soon due to age.Don't be worried Mr. Ho. As an old monger told me one time when I was new to the game, for every tute who retires, there's at least one tight, 18 year-old tute who's just chomping at the bit to take her place! So, there will always be some stunners for you Ho. Now, will they give you a rim job like you like? I don't know LOL! But, they will be there hahaha! And for the ones who retire and disappear, well at least we will have our memories of the good ones until the day we die! OK, well at least until the Alzheimer's sets in!
Ignore the cries of upsell etc on here- it happens at every club.This is solid, realistic, level-headed advice. Although, I have to say that rarely ever do I get hit with upsells. But, that's got to be because I approach every session wanting an hour with anal. That's good money to them tutes!
Came across an old email to one of my punting buddies describing my unexpected discovery of FKKs in 2006. With my forthcoming visit next weekend and all the uncertainty surrounding the effects of the new law, I'm feeling a bit nostalgic already! The girl's name was Bianca and reading back, I was obviously confused about the pricing structure (and wish I had also banged her within the E100) and the cabbie was obviously going overboard but as a wide-eyed newcomer I lapped it all up!
"I've just come back from a business trip to Frankfurt. It'll come as no surprise to you that I had a pro (almost obligatory when you're abroad in my book). I had heard of one place called Sudfass near the centre. I also saw another place advertised on the side of a taxi (called the FKK Palace also near the centre. But the cabbie told me that the best place in Germany was called the FKK Oase. Unfortunately it was nearly 20 miles from my hotel and cost 100 euros there and back (ouch that's 75). I wonder why he suggested that (no doubt also got a commission from the brothel).
To be fair the place was amazing with an unusual set-up compared to London or anywhere else I've been. You pay 65 euro entry fee. You have to put your clothes in a locker and walk around with a towel wrapped around you to protect your modesty. They have a bar which serves free drinks (soft drinks only), a swimming pool, sauna, showers, a porn cinema and a few lap dancing type poles. Its also really clean and the facilities are great.
I reckon there were around 50 pros milling around (its a big place). The general quality is good (with a few real gems) and no mingers. What I found bizarre was almost all the birds were completely starkers except for high heels. I liked that! I could easily have spent a couple of hours soaking in that sort of atmosphere but I only got there at midnight and had to be up at 5 for my flight home so I had to make a quick "kill".
I haven't had a blonde for ages so I had that in mind but was approached by an absolute brunette doll. Slim, nice complexion, nice shaped boobs, good legs, great arse, long hair and for my money (literally) she was the prettiest girl there. As she was starkers before negotiations even started I knew exactly what I was getting. She seemed pleasant and didn't strike me as a rip-off merchant so decided on her (though it was hard to say no when the negotiations were conducted with me holding her arse with the occasional snog). The prices are apparently standard. For 30 minutes BJ or sex its 50 euros. If you want both its 100 euros. If you want BJ with CIM its also 100 euros. If you want anal thrown in its 200 euros. I assume for 1 hour prices are doubled.
Went into one of the rooms (comfortable and mirrored walls) and must say it was one of the best punts I've had in a long time. She was a Romanian girl and said she was of Romany heritage. With all the negative connotations they have that might have put some people off but in my experience romany girls are incredibly wild and have a more meditteranean look (I had one off the streets in prague once which cost me 30 euros and she could suck)! Come to think of it, it wouldn't surprise me if Claudia was of romany heritage. I had opted for the bbj and CIM option so that was 100 euros. Started off with passionate snogging (she was great), really teased my nipples with kisses and chewing them (she seemed to know just how to apply the right pressure so it didn't hurt but only tantalised). Then long slow licks of my cock with lots of eye contact and nuzzling of my balls. Once I was hard she did this great thing of smacking my cock against her tongue (like in the pornos). Everything about the BJ was right, pace, pressure, grip. Could not fault it. Thought I was going to shoot too quickly so got her to stop, more snogging, paid lots of attention to her pert boobs, and then ate her out. She had a clean and tasty pussy so I really enjoyed it. We took turns giving each other oral in various positions and ended up in a 69 but I wanted to see her take my cum in her mouth so moved to the more conventional position. She took it like a trooper before spitting it out. She then started to suck me off again. She then took a swig of a cold drink before sucking me again. It was a great sensation. After the deed, she cuddled up and we shared a cigarette before I went to the locker to give her hard earned cash! Generally also had a good laugh with her throughout the punt. Afterwards had a shower, it was strange with naked birds passing by while I was getting showered but you'll hear no complaints from me!
Overall guess it was expensive. With the entry fee it cost 165 euros which is around 118 so guess its steep but feeling good so not worrying about it too much! Sadly I was in a rush otherwise would have stayed for a couple of hours to soak in the atmosphere and carry out much letchery and that would have been worth the entry fee alone. I reckon it'd be a great place to hang out with friends. In hindsight should have gone to one of the central one's to save the huge cab fee (I'm sure I could have unearthed a gem, indeed the one I had said some nights she worked at the FKK Palace) but I've checked a few sites this morning the FKK Oase seems to have the best reputation. The cabbie was scathing about the Sudfaas. On the way back, the cabbie was telling me the Oase got its reputation as many of the girls are university educated, they've all got health certificates, no illegal immigrants so no issues with trafficking and if a girl is not performing and punters complain that she's a rip off merchant they kick her out. In fact as I was leaving, reception asked how it was. When I told the cabbie, he said if I'd had a shit service and complained they would have sought an immediate explanation from the bird and then made sure I left happy (I'm sceptical about the last bit but that sounds too good to be true). At the moment, I'm feeling sated and have no plans to see a wg soon. As the frankfurt pop was pricey (and I've been punting regularly this year), I've already eaten in to April's budget (but decided not to include the cab fare in the calculation) and will only have 92 to spent in April so also need to pace myself!
Member #4581
05-13-17, 17:11
Wow, that's all in a letter to a friend?! It's so much better than any report we read here these days. There were famous letters in history, from Pliny the elder to St Paul's epistles, all the way to Hemingway writing to O'Keefe but I will take your letter over any of them!
You have to remember it was a pivotal moment in my life! Up until then, I hadn't ever associated Germany with sex and like most "civilians" thought the action was Amsterdam, Prague and the Baltic States! Had 10 trips to Germany since specifically for FKKs (though didn't really get into the swing of things until 2014).
My customary routine upon arrival in Frankfurt is as follows:
1. On the first day Mainhattan in the mid-afternoon to very early evening, then over to Palace where the real fun begins!
2. Second day Oase.
3. Third day World.
4. Fourth day Sharks.
This is how I do it. But, after not sessioning at Mainhattan for several years now, I just don't feel like I would be missing anything by not going there. So on any future trip, I will very likely just skip Mainhattan and spend the entire first day at Palace. The Palace holds a very special place in my heart as it is the very first FKK I ever went to, and where I started fucking blonde, Czech Gina hehehe!The past few years, I have mostly restricted myself to Sharks, Palace and Oase. I would generally work my way north to south or the other way round getting a cab to and from the Airport and trains in between. On my last visit, I realised I was doing it all wrong and would have been better off starting and / or finishing at Palace so I could save a few Euros by getting the direct train from the HBF to the Airport.
On my next visit, which is Fri 19 May to Mon 22 May planning on:
Fri. Palace.
Sat. Sharks.
Sun. World.
Mon. Oase.
Was thinking of just going to Palace, Sharks and Oase and repeating my favourite on the Monday but thought given I haven't been to World since 2014, thought I'd revisit. Interesting thought to combine Mainhatten and Palace. May consider it myself but wouldn't want to save my "ammo" for Palace though being the first day, I should have an extra shot in the locker!
Don't be worried Mr. Ho. As an old monger told me one time when I was new to the game, for every tute who retires, there's at least one tight, 18 year-old tute who's just chomping at the bit to take her place! So, there will always be some stunners for you Ho. Now, will they give you a rim job like you like? I don't know LOL! But, they will be there hahaha! And for the ones who retire and disappear, well at least we will have our memories of the good ones until the day we die! OK, well at least until the Alzheimer's sets in!LOL. In the end life is about good memories we did during our time, so let us live and live till our day comes to leave this world.
But Mr Cane, one thing for sure, we lived our life filled with memories LOL!
I will never forget all the trips I made to have just multiple sex days and days LOL.
We got plenty of memories and more to come LOL.
Are there any NRW like region in Austria where there are many FKK in concentrated place with good lineup?
Or Vienna plan to open other clubs like GT Vienna because other places beside GT Vienna seems not containing good line up.
LOL. In the end life is about good memories we did during our time, so let us live and live till our day comes to leave this world.
But Mr Cane, one thing for sure, we lived our life filled with memories LOL!
I will never forget all the trips I made to have just multiple sex days and days LOL.
We got plenty of memories and more to come LOL.Fewer girls being born, shrinking gap between rich and poor countries. Doubt it will stay this good. Women have been cheap and plentiful. Good times.
This is solid, realistic, level-headed advice. Although, I have to say that rarely ever do I get hit with upsells. But, that's got to be because I approach every session wanting an hour with anal. That's good money to them tutes!My response to up sell is almost always "if you behave you may be rewarded" or "if you are a good girl then I might CIM".
How do you buy and use train ticket online?
I want to buy Frankfurt and Dusseldorf return ticket online because it seems to be much much cheaper to buy it online.
How do I make use of it? Do I print it out and it got some numbers on it to show to ticket man or?
Fewer girls being born, shrinking gap between rich and poor countries. Doubt it will stay this good. Women have been cheap and plentiful. Good times.Don't you make me cry now LOL.
Well, Artemis is the only club I can comment on as I have been there about 100 times for past 7 years and each visit has gap months, so I can really feel the comparison of lineup as over all and especially stunners as they are the only ones I go to room with.
You are right, it really did go down in quality and I began not finding German girls who are early 20 or 20 years old.
But like cane said, some goes out new ones get in, so let us see what kind of new girls will comes in after this transition period as I call this period.
I say this because girls I use to go to room with began to retire few years ago and I began finding new ones, so let see who comes in.
One thing for sure is much much less German girls into this business now, this is something I noticed. And why?
Do you think it is partly because bike people got taken out of the game? At least they are more careful to sending girls in as they cannot do it in major scale or?
Hessen Bub
05-14-17, 12:06
How do you buy and use train ticket online?RTFF if you are not able to google for it. Nothing easier than buying a train ticket in Germany.
Are there any NRW like region in Austria where there are many FKK in concentrated place with good lineup?Population NRW: 18 Mio.
Population Austria: 9 Mio.
HB.
RTFF if you are not able to google for it. Nothing easier than buying a train ticket in Germany.
Population NRW: 18 Mio.
Population Austria: 9 Mio.
HB.Well I know how to buy it on website, but how do I use that? Do I print the ticket out like they send you PDF to my e mail or something or they give me some number to give to ticket man on train?
RTFF if you are not able to google for it. Nothing easier than buying a train ticket in Germany.
Population NRW: 18 Mio.
Population Austria: 9 Mio.
HB.Plus an Austrian used to run Germany with absolute order.
I am fully expecting some regulars to ask for extra or to require CBJ saying it's the law or its the club rule now.If the FRA or NRW FKK girls stand firm on BBBJ as an extra, people are going to explore their options. It depends on how the non-FKK sex workers react. Looking at the German forum that focuses on Hessen area:
79 K reports on Hessen FKK, 48 K reports on Hessen Laufhaus, 46 K reports on Hessen Bordellos.
Local Germans customers may just shift to the scene where they get the best value. Dutch, Belgian, French, Italian may just stay at home, since German FKKs lose their price competiveness compared with their local options. International customers will probably look to other countries.
Hessen Bub
05-14-17, 17:55
Well I know how to buy it on website, but how do I use that? Do I print the ticket out like they send you PDF to my e mail or something or they give me some number to give to ticket man on train?Print the PDF file with the QR code.
HB.
Well I know how to buy it on website, but how do I use that? Do I print the ticket out like they send you PDF to my e mail or something or they give me some number to give to ticket man on train?I assume you're referring to the Deutsche Bundesbahn website. There's an option to "print out the ticket". Don't forget to bring the credit or debit card along with which you paid the ticket. The ticket is theoretically invalid without it. I find this a stupid rule because if you lose or cancel or forget your credit card, there goes your ticket.
Don't forget to bring the credit or debit card along with which you paid the ticket. The ticket is theoretically invalid without it.Also bring a valid ID. I'm assuming most people would carry it anyway but just to be sure. I was asked for ID onboard IC-something from Frankfurt recently. Completely unrelated to clubs but the view when going via Koblenz was infinitely better than the view from the fast trains between theüsseldorf-Cologne-Frankfurt. It took twice as long however.
Don't you make me cry now LOL.
Well, Artemis is the only club I can comment on as I have been there about 100 times for past 7 years and each visit has gap months, so I can really feel the comparison of lineup as over all and especially stunners as they are the only ones I go to room with.
You are right, it really did go down in quality and I began not finding German girls who are early 20 or 20 years old.
But like cane said, some goes out new ones get in, so let us see what kind of new girls will comes in after this transition period as I call this period.
I say this because girls I use to go to room with began to retire few years ago and I began finding new ones, so let see who comes in.
One thing for sure is much much less German girls into this business now, this is something I noticed. And why?
Do you think it is partly because bike people got taken out of the game? At least they are more careful to sending girls in as they cannot do it in major scale or?There are plenty of German girls working in the industry, but they work as escorts or in high end brothels and massage parlors.
Ah OK, so if there is PDF sent, I print it out as obviously.
If not, I take this code thing, bring my credit card that I used and ID which is copy of my passport, I do not bring passport I keep it in hotel but I have photo copy on me.
I presume even you don't have QR code, just with ID and credit card I used with my name on it, they can track it down with my credit card I used because it sounded so important to bring the credit card I used in this checking process.
If so this credit card identification to ticket thing is not bad idea, but qr code is.
If the FRA or NRW FKK girls stand firm on BBBJ as an extra, people are going to explore their options. It depends on how the non-FKK sex workers react. Looking at the German forum that focuses on Hessen area:
79 K reports on Hessen FKK, 48 K reports on Hessen Laufhaus, 46 K reports on Hessen Bordellos.
Local Germans customers may just shift to the scene where they get the best value. Dutch, Belgian, French, Italian may just stay at home, since German FKKs lose their price competiveness compared with their local options. International customers will probably look to other countries.Well as I wrote before I will keep it simple.
I go one hour for 100 euro with BBBJ.
Or.
I go 30 min 50 euro for just condom on banging session, and I will do her hard as Pierre woodman like no respect LOL.
FKK girls can choose which one is better choice for her.
Which FKK in NRW region contain most German girls?
GT?
Is it cheaper to buy German train ticket on internet one week before? Or it is same price as buying it in train station on the day of travelling or one day before?
I am travelling to Dusseldorf to frankfurt.
There are plenty of German girls working in the industry, but they work as escorts or in high end brothels and massage parlors.Where are these high end brothels in Germany?
ConanTheMonger
05-16-17, 11:21
I've been reading the other threads to find which clubs are the highest rated for good looking women, 8-10's, but so much conflicting information as everyone has different tastes and experiences.
Is there anyone that has been to a few of them and can give advice regarding this from their experience?
Thanks.
I've been reading the other threads to find which clubs are the highest rated for good looking women, 8-10's, but so much conflicting information as everyone has different tastes and experiences.
Is there anyone that has been to a few of them and can give advice regarding this from their experience?
Thanks.I'm sorry but you answered your own question:
so much conflicting information as everyone has different tastes and experiences.Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Luckily we all have different taste otherwise we all would have to fight for the same women in the clubs!
T.
I've been reading the other threads to find which clubs are the highest rated for good looking women, 8-10's, but so much conflicting information as everyone has different tastes and experiences.
Is there anyone that has been to a few of them and can give advice regarding this from their experience?
Thanks.There are tons of 8's in most big clubs. If you go for the 8's, you can go anywhere. Aiming for the 10's can be harder. But most clubs has a 9 or two. Then again, your own height, fitness weight and preferences matters too. On my last 4 trips, the club with the best lineup has changed every time. So there is no winner in this. At least in germany. Havent tried austria or switzerland... more important is perhaps which day(s) of the week is best to visit one particular club, or if it is a daytime club (I consider sharks and gt in this category), a night time club (oase and palace?), or a late night club (some of the nrw clubs like magnum and oceans)... so you can mix up two clubs in a day also for better scouting those 9s and 10s...
(Where do you place a club like Villa Vertigo? I've been hearing good things about its lineup recently)
Unless you attend about every 2nd week, it feels like gambling at a casino... unless you can contact them somehow. And girls at fkk's dont care about being on time. Make an appointment and most just goes with the flow. A word has no meaning unless you spend 500 euro on them. Too many cancelled 'laters' or 'next times' for them. So they are totally jaded. I guess guys word are equally useless here...
BlueBallBob
05-16-17, 22:46
So here's my plan for my stop over in August for Frankfurt.
Arrive 6 pm on Monday.
Plan on hitting Mainhattan or Palace. Which is better on a Monday night?
Tuesday.
Oase 4 pm to whenever.
Wednesday.
Sharks 4 pm to whenever. Heard Sharks is good Wednesdays.
Thursday fly out.
Any recommendations for Monday? Was at Mainhattan on a Friday night before, but not a Monday.
Would Palace be a better choice for Monday?
Hessen Bub
05-16-17, 23:00
Is it cheaper to buy German train ticket on internet one week before? Yes. It is cheaper.
HB.
There are tons of 8's in most big clubs. If you go for the 8's, you can go anywhere. Aiming for the 10's can be harder. But most clubs has a 9 or two. Then again, your own height, fitness weight and preferences matters too. On my last 4 trips, the club with the best lineup has changed every time. So there is no winner in this. At least in germany. Havent tried austria or switzerland... more important is perhaps which day(s) of the week is best to visit one particular club, or if it is a daytime club (I consider sharks and gt in this category), a night time club (oase and palace?), or a late night club (some of the nrw clubs like magnum and oceans)... so you can mix up two clubs in a day also for better scouting those 9s and 10s...
(Where do you place a club like Villa Vertigo? I've been hearing good things about its lineup recently)
Unless you attend about every 2nd week, it feels like gambling at a casino... unless you can contact them somehow. And girls at fkk's dont care about being on time. Make an appointment and most just goes with the flow. A word has no meaning unless you spend 500 euro on them. Too many cancelled 'laters' or 'next times' for them. So they are totally jaded. I guess guys word are equally useless here...Well your taste is similar to mine when it comes to stunners, so for that we can relate to each other LOL.
Sharks has many hype in this recent years, but I never found line up there good in aspect of stunner in level of 9's, I never even found one 8, you find here and there.
Palace and GT I find 9's all the time and even 10's. But palace need to refresh their stunners with more younger stunners. I got the feeling that their stunners are mostly from hamburg and also they get always one from some escort agency, I saw pattern in this.
Artemis, I used to find 9 and 10's even walking in time to time but that is till 2013. Since then it is down hill and now it is plastic monster festival. Since biker related people are caught in Majorca. Things went down hill in Artemis, I somehow felt so. Artemis used to be good diverse club with some real stunners walking in. Now. Just aged plastic monster field.
Oase had one or two stunners when I went, but too dark to see up stairs so got to station at rest area down stairs. But real sharky even more than palace I found. But I found few 9's.
Villa vertigo and Yinyang I never went, but it got real bad reviews in Japanese forum. And these guys are critical honest customers so I can relate to their opinion. They say line up there is a joke.
Oceans is nightmare club till 5 pm, then stunners begin to walk in then. I do not know when line up become full at oceans because I left around 9 PM, but I found some 9's in there. It is mostly ugly, but there were about three stunners in lineup at oceans and they are good looking that reminded me bit of Artemis back in the day. So mostly ugly at oceans till 5 pm and after 5 pm stunners comes in but just 2 or 3.
Living room. Hmmm I did not find living room to be good LU. Good service though.
Any other clubs? In NRW region you recommend for finding stunners? Like in cologne etc. Most has bad rep for LU.
Yes. It is cheaper.
HB.Thank you Mr HB.
The question to myself now is that. Is it worth extending my trip to frankfurt just for one FKK day to hit palace. Where German table is guaranteed, but same casting on that table for past two years and upsell get worst both for price and service on that table LOL.
The thing with that table is that, they up sell first, less customers to clubs, so they up sell more, even less customer to club, then they up sell more for charging higher price etc LOL.
Hmmm it maybe better to just focus on GT and Ocean for this time round where up sell is limited and the service is there.
Palace has stunners, but same cast, and more up sell than before and service used to be good, but now. That is even good enough level which I can get at NRW.
These fictious line up stories again and again without any knowledge getting more and more boring.
These fictious line up stories again and again without any knowledge getting more and more boring.Boring for you, not for all of us. LU is what make FKK, not food or the place.
And LU changes as time changes, so it is important for some of us to know which club has highest probability to encounter stunners.
It is not cover the face and fuck the base for all of us you know? LOL.
ConanTheMonger
05-17-17, 07:30
It seems Frankfurt and surrounds are the best places on average with GT being the go-to outside this area. I'll be spending a week in Germany, if I focus on Frankfurt and surrounds (Oase, World, Sharks, Palace etc) and make a trip to GT is there any other place you can recommend that I'd be missing out on or is that plenty to find a few stunners?
Also how do the Swiss and Austrian FKK talent stack up to the German FKK women? I'm wondering if some time and money spent in those countries while I'm in the area might be worth the trip?
Also how do the Swiss and Austrian FKK talent stack up to the German FKK women? I'm wondering if some time and money spent in those countries while I'm in the area might be worth the trip?No. If you want to diversify, go to Acapulco or Samya, to Paradise and Sakura in Stuttgart, or to Paradise in Saarbruecken, or why not as far South as Colosseum in Augsburg (with a short visit to neighbouring Munich). Plenty of options before downgrading to Austria or Switzerland IMO.
Palace has stunners, but same cast, and more up sell than before and service used to be good, but now. That is even good enough level which I can get at NRW.Palace recently kicked out lots of girls. Not sure if management wanted to renew with younger girls, or if they removed some upsellers, or got rid of less pretty girls. A mix of both perhaps. Some girls there are still allowed to do their own upselling due to their standing in the club perhaps. But some hard upsellers are gone. And others left because they didn't want to get the boot. Sounds like that thing that happened in GT once last year?
New lot was not too attractive. Except Nicole ofcourse who only stays for 3 weeks (at least this time)... maybe she is the girl from the agency thing you mention. If you are right, then Crina was he same back in dec...
Oceans also starts later than 5pm sometimes. It is random. And some former top Oceans girls have changed clubs. Though they do have new good ones too.
Sharks was better now than a few months ago I felt. Maybe some girls just got squeezed out due to the high entry fees for the girls and couldnt keep up...
Hessen Bub
05-17-17, 20:37
Palace recently kicked out lots of girls. Not sure if management wanted to renew with younger girls, or if they removed some upsellers, or got rid of less pretty girls. Lots of girls? Where did you get that from? Quantify "lots". Can't see any tendency to younger girls. They kicked out some girls having trouble with customers. Some. Not lots.
HB.
Sebastiane
05-17-17, 23:58
Where are these high end brothels in Germany?Every city has high end escort girls (just use a Google search with name of city plus 'escort') and some high end brothels are for example Villa Roma in Munich, Kamilla Dee in Berlin (and many others) etc.
ConanTheMonger
05-18-17, 00:13
No. If you want to diversify, go to Acapulco or Samya, to Paradise and Sakura in Stuttgart, or to Paradise in Saarbruecken, or why not as far South as Colosseum in Augsburg (with a short visit to neighbouring Munich). Plenty of options before downgrading to Austria or Switzerland IMO.Austria and Switzerland are downgrades in what regard? The clubs or the women, or both? I thought that because prices are higher there, more and better looking women would choose to work there over Germany for the higher earning potential?
Thanks for the other recommendations, I haven't heard of them, I'll check the forums on those ones.
Lots of girls? Where did you get that from? Quantify "lots". Can't see any tendency to younger girls. They kicked out some girls having trouble with customers. Some. Not lots.
HB.I found LU at sharks being rather younger than other Hessen clubs, but I never got the hype of LU at sharks being good optically. I found about 8's, but never 9's level stunner at sharks. Service is good though.
UltraHappy
05-18-17, 03:41
Lots of girls? Where did you get that from? Quantify "lots". Can't see any tendency to younger girls. They kicked out some girls having trouble with customers. Some. Not lots.
HB.Be careful HB. If you keep sharing the truth with everyone, you will interfere with Piston's ability to promote the tourist trap clubs like Palace and Ocean's.
Hessen Bub
05-18-17, 11:01
Austria and Switzerland are downgrades in what regard? The clubs or the women, or both? I thought that because prices are higher there, more and better looking women would choose to work there over Germany for the higher earning potential?Austria does have a reputation for higher prices and lower service. Mostly the clubs close to the Italian border and frequented by Italians, but not only those. Switzerland is better regarding service, but also more expensive.
If BBBJ and sex is 50€ right now and from July you will only get CBJ, shouldn't price per half hour go down to 30€ or 40€? Just a thought.
HB.
Lots of girls? Where did you get that from? Quantify "lots". Can't see any tendency to younger girls. They kicked out some girls having trouble with customers. Some. Not lots.
HB.Lots was a word used by an insider. So I do not have any numbers. Do you?
UltraHappy: carefull reading too much american schizophrenic politics... (goes both ways there). You might start projecting the same machiavellian parody game to the rest of the world... first step in insanity...
Hessen Bub
05-18-17, 11:25
Lots was a word used by an insider. So I do not have any numbers. Do you?An insider. He was inside the club? Or inside one of the girls?
HB.
An insider. He was inside the club? Or inside one of the girls?
HB.LOL. My sources are secret. Just like Machiavelli taught me. 😉
An insider. He was inside the club? Or inside one of the girls?
HB.Deep throat LOL.
UltraHappy
05-18-17, 15:35
If BBBJ and sex is 50 right now and from July you will only get CBJ, shouldn't price per half hour go down to 30 or 40? Just a thought.
HB.Good point!
+1.
For those who fly into Germany to just attend FKK everyday. Do you guys stop masterbation for few days before your trip? Is it better to do so? If so why and how does it benefit your performance during your sex trip in german FKK?
Member #4581
05-19-17, 04:48
If BBBJ and sex is 50 right now and from July you will only get CBJ, shouldn't price per half hour go down to 30 or 40? Just a thought.
HB.Haha. The Math on this is weird. Right now, the assumption most people are making here on ISG is that from 7/1 most girls will begin charging 50 E for BBBJ, at least to their non regulars. If that is the case, does it imply BBBJ is worth 50 alone, and hence sessions should be free at the moment? LOL.
Of the current 50 E, how would one split into fee for separate components? Sex 20, BBBJ 20, BLS 5, smiling face 3, fake loud moans 2E, DFK 0 (because every senior monger is convinced that DFK should be free and would be free, if not for those pesky tourists screwing up the market for all)?
Haha. The Math on this is weird. Right now, the assumption most people are making here on ISG is that from 7/1 most girls will begin charging 50 E for BBBJ, at least to their non regulars. If that is the case, does it imply BBBJ is worth 50 alone, and hence sessions should be free at the moment? LOL.
Of the current 50 E, how would one split into fee for separate components? Sex 20, BBBJ 20, BLS 5, smiling face 3, fake loud moans 2E, DFK 0 (because every senior monger is convinced that DFK should be free and would be free, if not for those pesky tourists screwing up the market for all)?Fair observation this is. How much is BBBJ in that 50 euro. Definitely not extra 50 LOL I will use that for negotiation after July LOL.
Haha. The Math on this is weird. Right now, the assumption most people are making here on ISG is that from 7/1 most girls will begin charging 50 E for BBBJ, at least to their non regulars. If that is the case, does it imply BBBJ is worth 50 alone, and hence sessions should be free at the moment? LOL.Are you telling me that you actually pay for sex in FKK clubs now?
http://www.euronews.com/2017/05/17/ukraine-and-eu-sign-long-awaited-visa-waiver-deal
Ukrainian and EU officials have signed a long-awaited visa waiver deal.
Ukrainians with biometric passports will now be able to enter EU countries without visas for up to 90 days within any 180-day period.
What do you think? Will there be floods of ukrainians comming into Germany now? We have already seen more and more ukrainian bar-girls in more and more european cities the last 2-3 years following that russian attack and currency drop. Even where I live. Not to mention even in some polish cities. Which means they don't allways charge the highest even if some has that russian superiority view on themselves... I've noticed that falling with their currencies also...
http://www.euronews.com/2017/05/17/ukraine-and-eu-sign-long-awaited-visa-waiver-deal
Ukrainian and EU officials have signed a long-awaited visa waiver deal.
Ukrainians with biometric passports will now be able to enter EU countries without visas for up to 90 days within any 180-day period.
What do you think? Will there be floods of ukrainians comming into Germany now? We have already seen more and more ukrainian bar-girls in more and more european cities the last 2-3 years following that russian attack and currency drop. Even where I live. Not to mention even in some polish cities. Which means they don't always charge the highest even if some has that russian superiority view on themselves... I've noticed that falling with their currencies also...That is what I was waiting for, but during Greece crisis I was waiting for greek girls. They never came LOL.
But if Ukrainians do come, then they are the among the hottest girls and fuck good!
http://www.euronews.com/2017/05/17/ukraine-and-eu-sign-long-awaited-visa-waiver-deal
Ukrainian and EU officials have signed a long-awaited visa waiver deal.
Ukrainians with biometric passports will now be able to enter EU countries without visas for up to 90 days within any 180-day period.
What do you think? Will there be floods of ukrainians comming into Germany now? We have already seen more and more ukrainian bar-girls in more and more european cities the last 2-3 years following that russian attack and currency drop. Even where I live. Not to mention even in some polish cities. Which means they don't allways charge the highest even if some has that russian superiority view on themselves... I've noticed that falling with their currencies also...Visa allows them to work in EU or just as tourist?
Ukrainian and EU officials have signed a long-awaited visa waiver deal. What do you think? Will there be floods of ukrainians comming into Germany now?God I hope so! Ukrainians have been some of my best providers ever! But if they have to register as tutes, maybe not. Although, I would think that German girls and those who are resident in Germany would be more concerned about registering and longtime friends and relatives finding out about what they do, versus s foreign girl from Ukraine or Romania or wherever who knows virtually nobody in Germany.
Hessen Bub
05-19-17, 16:53
Visa allows them to work in EU or just as tourist?It's just a tourist visa. So no working permit for Ukrainian girls in EU.
HB.
It's just a tourist visa. So no working permit for Ukrainian girls in EU.
HB.No, only passport. No visa required.
Ofcourse you are right about the work permits, but it can open a gate through smart loopholes I am sure. Now what side of the line such grey zones will fall into I am unsure of. Like backpackers working in Australia etc, or other loopholes with employment agencies locally in Germany for random part time jobs helping with papers for longer stay which could allow them to move on to working 80% in clubs (20% the other job). Or something else.
What basically happens here is that they take away the entire visa application process, and that is a major wall and hurdle for people in poor countries...
No, only passport. No visa required.
Ofcourse you are right about the work permits, but it can open a gate through smart loopholes I am sure. Now what side of the line such grey zones will fall into I am unsure of. Like backpackers working in Australia etc, or other loopholes with employment agencies locally in Germany for random part time jobs helping with papers for longer stay which could allow them to move on to working 80% in clubs (20% the other job). Or something else.There are for 100% sure no loopholes or grey zones for working at a German FKK club.
There are for 100% sure no loopholes or grey zones for working at a German FKK club.Have you double checked if there is not a mention of FKK's in the new law? Allowing them to sell sex in FKK's? LOL!
On a more serious note, it is not like fkk's are allowed to hire girls for prostitution anyway. The girls just have to pay taxes from it. So if they get some part time job at some backpacker agency, why not? Still not legal? Just asking questions here. I have not googled it too much... or would that then make having your own p6 business illegal too perhaps? Hmm...
Or how does those temporary work permits work now again?
Have you double checked if there is not a mention of FKK's in the new law? Allowing them to sell sex in FKK's? LOL!
On a more serious note, it is not like fkk's are allowed to hire girls for prostitution anyway. The girls just have to pay taxes from it. So if they get some part time job at some backpacker agency, why not? Still not legal? Just asking questions here. I have not googled it too much... or would that then make having your own p6 business illegal too perhaps? Hmm...
Or how does those temporary work permits work now again?Can someone who is German speaker check on condom part of the new law whether it says sex or sexual intercourse or it actually mention oral sex.
Use of word is important and sex and sexual intercourse has two different legal definition of word. This determine the extent of the coverage by law.
If I were to take train to Dusseldorf HBF to Breyell to goto GT bruggen everyday for 4 consecutive days.
Are there any discount train ticket I can buy at Dusseldorf HBF ticket counter?
Hessen Bub
05-20-17, 08:26
Have you double checked if there is not a mention of FKK's in the new law? Allowing them to sell sex in FKK's? LOL!
On a more serious note, it is not like fkk's are allowed to hire girls for prostitution anyway. The girls just have to pay taxes from it. So if they get some part time job at some backpacker agency, why not? Still not legal? Just asking questions here. I have not googled it too much... or would that then make having your own p6 business illegal too perhaps? Hmm...
Or how does those temporary work permits work now again?Sometimes it would be better if you just didn's say anything. :D the What you write about part time jobs or temporary work permits doesn't make any sense at all. Girls have to be a EU member to work in Germany, no matter which job, bakery, prostitution. No loop holes, no exception. So no Ukrainians. And yes, Ukrainians are allowed to travel to Germany with a passport only, that is called a tourist visa.
HB.
Hessen Bub
05-20-17, 08:27
Like backpackers working in Australia etc, .Backpackers in Australia and New Zealand are working their legally. No loopholes. That is why so many students from all over the world to there for a year and not to the US.
HB.
Sometimes it would be better if you just didn's say anything. :D the What you write about part time jobs or temporary work permits doesn't make any sense at all. Girls have to be a EU member to work in Germany, no matter which job, bakery, prostitution. No loop holes, no exception. So no Ukrainians. And yes, Ukrainians are allowed to travel to Germany with a passport only, that is called a tourist visa.
HB.You and your love for censorship.
No, a tourist visa is still a visa. Not a passport. A passport requires no application. A tourist visa does. When I went to China, I had to apply for a visa. I got it. It was a tourist visa...
Can someone who is German speaker check on condom part of the new law whether it says sex or sexual intercourse or it actually mention oral sex.
Use of word is important and sex and sexual intercourse has two different legal definition of word. This determine the extent of the coverage by law.Meanwhile I doubt that you can read. We had this here around 100 times.
Better just ask how is the line up at Atlantis and where are the stunners.
Hessen Bub
05-20-17, 21:12
You and your love for censorship..Censorship? I am just asking you to think before you post.
HB.
Meanwhile I doubt that you can read. We had this here around 100 times.
Better just ask how is the line up at Atlantis and where are the stunners.Where is Atlantis? They got stunners there?
How are line up of FKK oceans of weekday and weekend? More stunners on weekend or same more or less.
Hessen Bub
05-21-17, 09:12
Where is Atlantis? They got stunners there?Plenty of stunners at Atlantis. Diverse line-up. Almost no Romanians.
HB.
Meanwhile I doubt that you can read. We had this here around 100 times.
Better just ask how is the line up at Atlantis and where are the stunners.I can read and write, but I cannot register it LOL.
Plenty of stunners at Atlantis. Diverse line-up. Almost no Romanians.
HB.Yeah. Statuesque Nadine of Lithuania and petite Lola from Hungary. Two of my all time favorites.
Howie.
Plenty of stunners at Atlantis. Diverse line-up. Almost no Romanians.
HB.I think Greek Linda moved to Oase and they lost Russian BJ Queen Angelique to Palace. But there must be someone left? Oh dear ....
Yeah. Statuesque Nadine of Lithuania and petite Lola from Hungary. Two of my all time favorites.
Howie.Oh so, it is good line up at Atlantis then. Wow so I go there after July. It is located in tyrol right?
If it is stunner dominated club, it is my kinda place to be after July.
Can someone who is German speaker check on condom part of the new law whether it says sex or sexual intercourse or it actually mention oral sex.
Use of word is important and sex and sexual intercourse has two different legal definition of word. This determine the extent of the coverage by law.
It explicitly mentions oral, vaginal and anal sex! I don't know why you keep on questioning that and then everyone has to correct you.
Read it here: http://www.6profis.de/lp/prostschg/faq.php using some translation tool.
Also, if you are travelling to GT from Dusseldorf, consider renting a car if you can, it will save a lot of time and maybe money if you take a taxi from the nearest station.
Sebastiane
05-21-17, 13:28
With the exception of Oceans which other clubs are fairly new (say opened in the last few years)?
Banana Boi
05-22-17, 00:31
With the exception of Oceans which other clubs are fairly new (say opened in the last few years)?Saarbrucken.
With the exception of Oceans which other clubs are fairly new (say opened in the last few years)?Wellcum in Villach, Austria.
(And it is Paradise in saarbrucken if that was not obvious)
And isn't Paradise in Graz also new?
Wellcum in Villach, Austria.
(And it is Paradise in saarbrucken if that was not obvious)
And isn't Paradise in Graz also new?Also GT in Graz, but I read it got bad LU, though I never been to GT vienna or graz, I just been to GT bruggen that is different establishment, so not sure about LU in GT Austria.
I read new graz bad LU, one in Vienna good LU that are diverse LU with two or three stunners.
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05-22-17, 01:51
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Hessen Bub
05-22-17, 03:02
And isn't Paradise in Graz also new?No its not.
HB.
Also GT in Graz, but I read it got bad LU, though I never been to GT vienna or graz, I just been to GT bruggen that is different establishment, so not sure about LU in GT Austria.
I read new graz bad LU, one in Vienna good LU that are diverse LU with two or three stunners.I cannot find a GT in Graz. Only in Brüggen (different as you say) Vienna and Linz.
Sebastiane
05-22-17, 22:08
Thanks for replies but I should have been specific about meaning FKKs in Germany only.
I cannot find a GT in Graz. Only in Brggen (different as you say) Vienna and Linz.Oh my bad, that one LOL.
Okay guys I am off today to fly to fuck LOL.
Later buddies!
Polyamorist
05-26-17, 15:42
Is it just me or has there recently been an uptick in the number of FKK girls willing to experiment with AO? Could it have something to do with the July 1 deadline coming up? It looks like June will be the great Closing Down Sale for AO and BBBJ in Germany.
Most of these girls don't have regular boyfriends, so as with many of us June will be their last chance in a long time to experience AO. By the last week of June maybe all the girls will be doing it. It will be like an apocalyptic movie, "It's the end of the world, let's everybody have wild sex!" Can I just say I'm thrilled to be here in Germany at such an historic time for the country. It's a bit like November 1989, except then it was about a wall going down, now it is about a wall going up.
Imagine the German government decided to ban alcohol from July, the crazy parties before then, and all the beer cans littering the roads on July 1. But it will be a different kind of hangover German guys will be waking up to on that date. To those who have become addicted to their FKK visits, and can't travel like us, it will be a cruel time. People will be getting mean and grouchy without their blowjobs. I wouldn't want to be in German traffic in July.
For that reason I will be flying out of Germany on July 1. I will make sure to book my flight early, as I'm afraid all the seats will be snapped up by Romanian girls. But what a funny thing it would be if President Steinmeyer came on TV as I was wedged there in my seat between two beauties and announced, "Damen und Herren, it was all just a promo! Business as usual. ".
Most of these girls don't have regular boyfriends, so as with many of us June will be their last chance in a long time to experience AO. Santa came early this year? Well, fairytales are also told for a reason. 😁
UltraHappy
05-26-17, 20:44
When I talk to my club girls about this new law, many of them seem to have no idea or they've only vaguely heard about it. Yes, some know about it in more detail and are already thinking about how they will adapt their service, but I am frankly surprised at how many girls are absolutely clueless about the upcoming July 1st change.
It certainly seems like the ISG visitors are much more informed about the upcoming law than many of the girls.
Hessen Bub
05-26-17, 21:04
Santa came early this year? Well, fairytales are also told for a reason. 😁+1. Didn't expect that to happen, but it fully agree with Pistons.
HB.
Member #4581
05-26-17, 22:15
When I talk to my club girls about this new law, many of them seem to have no idea or they've only vaguely heard about it. Yes, some know about it in more detail and are already thinking about how they will adapt their service, but I am frankly surprised at how many girls are absolutely clueless about the upcoming July 1st change.
It certainly seems like the ISG visitors are much more informed about the upcoming law than many of the girls.Is the club management informed, if you had any interaction with them? Are they doing anything to transmit that information to the girls: what is legal and not? I am assuming they have a legal obligation (not sure if they actually have any such obligation) from July 1 to at least inform the girls and gents about changes in the legal environment, and act as a first line of defense in its enforcement to some extent, and am curious how they are preparing for these changes?
Member #4581
05-26-17, 22:18
Haha what active imagination.
May be the girls will be so horny and nostalgic, they will just not even come into the club but give it away for free to every guy they see on the street.
Is it just me or has there recently been an uptick in the number of FKK girls willing to experiment with AO? Could it have something to do with the July 1 deadline coming up? It looks like June will be the great Closing Down Sale for AO and BBBJ in Germany.
Most of these girls don't have regular boyfriends, so as with many of us June will be their last chance in a long time to experience AO. By the last week of June maybe all the girls will be doing it. It will be like an apocalyptic movie, "It's the end of the world, let's everybody have wild sex!" Can I just say I'm thrilled to be here in Germany at such an historic time for the country. It's a bit like November 1989, except then it was about a wall going down, now it is about a wall going up.
Typo, they meant to say bbq not BBBJ was being banned in Germany. Worst part about this trip was as soon as the weather warmed up clubs started serving burnt meat. Come on Germany, stick to what you do good, put that meat in a nice sauce and let us poor it over some noodles. Low and slow is the way it should be done, not high and dry. I was at Sharks today and they had an Asian guy in charge of the grill, the line for burnt mystery meat was always 20 people long. Give the guy a wok and put out some good Chinese stir fry. YouTube is your friend Germany, plenty of texans have videos showing the proper way to bbq, just click on the subtitles for the English version.
I'm not joking here, if the meat tastes the same cooked in a skillet on the stove as it does off the gas grill, that IS NOT BBQ. Stick with what you know, let the professionals handle the grill.
+1. Didn't expect that to happen, but it fully agree with Pistons.
HB.And by that I mean Polyamorist should go and buy a few wedding rings before time runs out. Those single ladies won't wait forever! 😉.
Hessen Bub
05-27-17, 07:04
Come on Germany, stick to what you do good, put that meat in a nice sauce and let us poor it over some noodles.
...they had an Asian guy in charge of the grill, Problem is you don't find ANY German operating the grill in FKK. There's Asians, Romanian etc and they cook the meat to death. Germans know how to do BBQ. They actually scored better than the US in the BBQ World championships.
http://world-bbq.com/wbqa-world-bbq-championship-winners/
HB.
Typo, they meant to say bbq not BBBJ was being banned in Germany. Worst part about this trip was as soon as the weather warmed up clubs started serving burnt meat. Come on Germany, stick to what you do good, put that meat in a nice sauce and let us poor it over some noodles. Low and slow is the way it should be done, not high and dry. I was at Sharks today and they had an Asian guy in charge of the grill, the line for burnt mystery meat was always 20 people long. Give the guy a wok and put out some good Chinese stir fry. YouTube is your friend Germany, plenty of texans have videos showing the proper way to bbq, just click on the subtitles for the English version.Haha Chinese don't know how to make no good barbecue LOL! The only Asians that can do anything close to good BBQ are the Koreans LOL! Yeah, Chinese cooks must stick to woks LOL!
Problem is you don't find ANY German operating the grill in FKK. There's Asians, Romanian etc and they cook the meat to death. Germans know how to do BBQ. They actually scored better than the US in the BBQ World championships.
http://world-bbq.com/wbqa-world-bbq-championship-winners/
HB.Can't find a map of Sweden, Texas. Seriously though, one team from the USA and multiple teams from European states? And fish and dessert are being graded? Looks like a rigged contest.
Anyway pretty soon the German FKK forum will consist of just you and Mr Ho.
Okay guys I am off today to fly to fuck LOL.Hey Mr Ho,
Can we expect any detailed trip reports from your upcoming visits?
Howie.
Hessen Bub
05-27-17, 09:10
Can't find a map of Sweden, Texas. Seriously though, one team from the USA and multiple teams from European states? And fish and dessert are being graded? Looks like a rigged contest.
Anyway pretty soon the German FKK forum will consist of just you and Mr Ho.You came up with the strange US stereotype that Germans don't know how to BBQ and should stick to meat in a nice sauce. Except for one chef at World none of the big Hessen clubs has any Germans cooking. None.
HB.
Anyway pretty soon the German FKK forum will consist of just you and Mr Ho.It obviously won't ever get to be that bad, but plenty of us here do have places we like better than the German FKK scene. For some it's Switzerland. For others it's Thailand or Brazil. Still others prefer Costa Rica, Ukraine, the Czech Republic (don't know why), Indonesia, or The Philippines. And on and on. So for us with strong preferences for other places, if Germany goes down because of the "lousy Merkel law", well it will be a crying shame. But, at least our number 1's will be left!
Polyamorist
05-27-17, 11:46
May be the girls will be so horny and nostalgic, they will just not even come into the club but give it away for free to every guy they see on the street.Some WGs already do that. They go to places like Ibiza and Magaluf when they want a break from sucking the dime of hairy old bastards like you and me. Sex is still a basic need.
You came up with the strange US stereotype that Germans don't know how to BBQ and should stick to meat in a nice sauce. Except for one chef at World none of the big Hessen clubs has any Germans cooking. None.
HB.I'm assuming it was the club that set up the menu, bought the meat to be grilled, purchased the gas grill to destroy said meat. If so the blame falls on the club, which I assume is German owned. My argument is if you are going to do it, do it right. Soon as they purchased the gas grill they ruined any chance of success.
Imagine if they just hired that one guy who knew how to get good pile of hardwood coals heating a home made bbq pit and hand shoveled coals under the meat to slow cook it for 6 hours. You could then throw away the gas grill and just have your help cutting up the brisket, the smoked chicken and the rest of the best.
Hessen Bub
05-27-17, 12:42
If so the blame falls on the club, which I assume is German owned.
Depends on the club, some are under German management, some are not.
Imagine if they just hired that one guy who knew how to get good pile of hardwood coals heating a home made bbq pit and hand shoveled coals under the meat to slow cook it for 6 hours. You could then throw away the gas grill and just have your help cutting up the brisket, the smoked chicken and the rest of the best.
Imagine paying 100 EUR instead of discounted 40-45 EUR and that might come true.
HB.
Problem is you don't find ANY German operating the grill in FKK. There's Asians, Romanian etc and they cook the meat to death. Germans know how to do BBQ. They actually scored better than the US in the BBQ World championships.
http://world-bbq.com/wbqa-world-bbq-championship-winners/
HB.You forgot the polish and hungarian grill-masters.
Polyamorist
05-27-17, 14:17
And by that I mean Polyamorist should go and buy a few wedding rings before time runs out. Those single ladies won't wait forever! 😉.You may be confusing polyamory with polygamy. Polygamy is an advanced form of polyamory that implies a certain amount of wealth and an even greater amount of responsibility. That would rule me out then.
I just got back to more civilized part of the world from Germany.
I skipped palace visit and I just focused on visiting NRW region namely LR, GT and Oceans.
OK, it was actually all more or less fine average good line up and I have to say service was good considering some sessions I actually went for just 50 euro sessions and still got DFK etc.
But with this trip, I realized NRW is not my cup of tea and I am more for Palace or Artemis kind of guy. Now that Artemis has been down for line up, but I hope it get back up and palace always provide me girls I seek for just with higher priced LOL.
First night, I hit oceans, I arrived at about 5 PM as my flight was arriving at 4 PM. I took taxi to Suzuki garage around the corner of FKK oceans, I think taxi driver who was old german guy understood what I was doing and seemed pissed off and said something to me in german, so I reply that mean German sentence by saying fucking taxi drivers and laughed him off as he opened trunk for my bag, at least I saved my money for not giving him kick back money from oceans.
So I walked 3 minutes from Suzuki garage to FKK Oceans and told receptionist lady that I did not take taxi and got charged 50 euro for entrance. As I walk in to main bar, I found Melania trump looking girl who is bit more uglier than Melanis. And I somehow wanted to fuck Melania trump doggy style, so I decided to go with her, she was not my usual taste, but hey, I want to do Melania doggy style, I think this girls name was Roxana. Anyways, she was Romanian and try to blow me with condom. Which I convinced her to blow me without condom, which she did not appreciate much, but I enjoyed this Melania looking tute blowing me and then I did her doggy as Donald would have done LOL.
Then after the first session with Melania looking girl. I found one Romanian who claim to only come one week per month, which I actually believed her as she was not there on my third day visit later on in this trip and I am experienced monger enough to know who is pro and who is rather new to the game. She was a good provider, but nothing special that I cannot recall her name, but session was rather dirty enough to give her 7 out of 10 because my hurdle is getting higher and higher to be satisfied.
At this point, I was not too happy with line up, so I was thinking, is this it? Is this all I worked for? You know like tony Montana scene in scarface movie, but then after at 8 PM or 9 PM, Eleny walked in and I had great session with her twice, both one hour. This was my first day of my arrival from 4 PM till 1 AM.
Mr. Ho.
Maybe you haven't realised there are other threads than the Lounge and Chat area, for instance usually one for each club. Therefore why you don't post your Oceans report in the Oceans thread?
Mr. Ho.
Maybe you haven't realised there are other threads than the Lounge and Chat area, for instance usually one for each club. Therefore why you don't post your Oceans report in the Oceans thread?Because I like lounge and chat area more than other thread. It is more liberal here, though there seems to be always complaints of this and that try to regulate the lounge and chat area.
I am liberal person and so as mongering world should be since it is most criticised area that we are in, but clearly, it is also very conservative in the box thinking.
I skipped palace visit and I just focused on visiting NRW region namely LR, GT and Oceans. OK, it was actually all more or less fine average good line up and I have to say service was good considering some sessions I actually went for just 50 euro sessions and still got DFK etc. But with this trip, I realized NRW is not my cup of tea and I am more for Palace or Artemis kind of guy. Now that Artemis has been down for line up, but I hope it get back up and palace always provide me girls I seek for just with higher priced LOL.I haven't experienced the NRW as extensively as you have yet. But, I just have this feeling deep down inside that I will draw the same conclusions as you have. Been to GT and that's it. And I really wasn't feeling that! So, we shall see.
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