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And until then, you will continue to frenetically post your ongoing paranoia about the scene even though this subject has been talked to death. Yes, we know, thank you.
Why don't you try not expressing opinions about price ranges in Hessen that are not based on your own personal field observations and which are based only on your imagined fears?LOL what? LOL.
https://www.mannheim24.de/region/worms-penis-in-hantelscheibe-eingeklemmt-8688473.amp.html
Just don't lift weight like this. Surely this man was working to impress the girls at the nearby Feigenblatt or perhaps Sharks.
PussyLiccker
09-16-17, 16:20
I've never experienced this before, but in the NL, they closed off one side of a major highway leading to DE late night / early morning hours. This was just ridiculous since I've tried going around through local roads, and lead me to dead-ends. The road layouts being ancient in some part of Europe, the alternative routes to get to certain destinations are pretty impossible without taking a detour way out in the opposite direction.
This was super frustrating, and wasted tons of time. I've experienced partial roads being blocked in De, but the whole side? This is insanity!
Especially out in the boondocks, blocked roads sucks donkey balls! I've run into this heading to Aca, the whole god damn road got blocked.
Also, in the past, there was construction when driving to world, and had to take an alternative path on a farmer's road path in the boondocks.
Smoke Light
09-16-17, 17:05
One night I left Samya after 2 am and on my way back to my hotel west of Dusseldorf my Garmin GPS reported that "A1 is now closed" and "Recalculating. " without negotiating with me, the driver, for crying out loud. I ended up driving through parts of Koeln and getting on A57, which is where I was heading anyway.
No way for me to know if A1 was really closed or not, I followed what the god dammed GPS wanted me to do that night.
PussyLiccker
09-16-17, 19:05
Well at least your navi told you of a closure (although it was not certain) which means the navi was getting updates (depending on how up to date your navi is, if it has internet connection or not).
Unfortunately I did not have internet (and don't know if my navi would get an update to take into the closure into consideration to get to my destination), and this is why I use app which has offline maps. I club in DE so I have a sim card that only works in DE so in NL, no internet access, traffic update, etc.
Although I've been told by the rental agency to watch out for speed cams in NL, my Navi did not present any (for De it does). In De you get a flash of light when you got hit with the radar, but dunno about NL. I've noticed more cameras in De during my latest trip. Koln, around Duss and East of Duss, some around Fra. A new one in Velbert right after exiting to the highway.
I can't use Waze for inter-country route as I did not have internet in NL.
On another rant:
Schiphol airport is weird. The airport road layout creates confusion and it's quite dangerous(created some confusion navigating). I had an instance where the road narrowed to one lane and arrow pointing to both direction (meaning traffic is free to go opposite directions threw one lane! Dangerous!!!).
One night I left Samya after 2 am and on my way back to my hotel west of Dusseldorf my Garmin GPS reported that "A1 is now closed" and "Recalculating. " without negotiating with me, the driver, for crying out loud. I ended up driving through parts of Koeln and getting on A57, which is where I was heading anyway.
No way for me to know if A1 was really closed or not, I followed what the god dammed GPS wanted me to do that night.I like that route in reverse at night with the smoking industrial behemoths (Das Feuerland,) The GT / Artemis girl with red then black hair and astonishing silicon used to do it after her GT shift ,( remember her breasts but not her name lol
I use navi with live traffic: makes life a lot easier.
PussyLiccker
09-16-17, 23:18
I would say my fav drive in De was driving down south to the city of Stuttgart, and there are some really refreshing paths with the woods in the summer with the shades. I really dislike driving in the East of Duss (Dortmund, Essen, Bochum) etc. More congested, slower traffic etc. Major Autobahn was quite boring, but some small towns were quite interesting to drive through. I recall a small town I stayed between Dierdorf and Fra when the hotel prices skyrocketed. Nice little town had quite a view.
Another great drive was driving down to Zurich. The outskirts were quite a scene, and as driving down through there had a great view. And as you get closer to the city, the neighborhoods just beautiful and classy. I really like the way the building look in Zurich.
Smoke Light
09-17-17, 00:04
I never visited DE in Jan or Feb. How is driving? Back home in US we salt the roads to death, but what about Germany? Is it worth renting a car in winter months?
I never visited DE in Jan or Feb. How is driving? Back home in US we salt the roads to death, but what about Germany? Is it worth renting a car in winter months?Over the past few years November and December had little snow. Snow tended to be a problem only later in the year, with February being the worst. Of course you should avoid the time between Christmas and January 10th or so because LUs will be depleted to non existent. Motorways get salted of course, secondary roads less so but they're kept fairly free of snow. In fact black ice is more likely to be a hasard than snow.
I've found winter months to be less plagued by traffic jams, maybe because of less holidayers on the roads. I'd even rate November best month of the year for FKKs. You will miss the beach atmosphere at the bigger FKKs but you will not have overheated rooms.
I never visited DE in Jan or Feb. How is driving? Back home in US we salt the roads to death, but what about Germany? Is it worth renting a car in winter months?All as XXL says most winter are no problem as Germany sales and plus really well, but some winters can be quite severe (by my standards) and two foot of snow can fall and much less than couple of hours which no amount of salt and can combat. When it does come down, get off the autobahn if you can into a town. The road will usually be open as soon as the snow stops falling heavily.
The hire car comes with winter tyres
PussyLiccker
09-17-17, 13:50
Now, this is a breathtaking view. Grindelwald, Switzerland. If there was an FKK here, would be a bad ass garden. Would be great fucking outdoors. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcJbayKKhc
Rogue Nation
09-17-17, 15:01
Burch Khalifa has a breathtaking view. Still I wouldn't consider posting a YouTube video here suggesting it would be great if they had a FKK club on the 125th floor.
I'd rather know if the new Bundestag may amend the dreaded law.
Rogue Nation
09-26-17, 22:28
I'd rather know if the new Bundestag may amend the dreaded law.Nope. Jamaica will have other priorities.
UltraHappy
09-27-17, 01:57
Nope. Jamaica will have other priorities.Jamaica will be working on how to appease the "Let's keep them Foreigners out of our country!" crowd. They've got to recruit those folks back to the mainstream groups from the AfD to keep the AfD from gaining any more power.
While I recognize that the AfD is the extreme, right-wing nutters, one of their ads just happens to resonate with me, "We like bikinis, not Burkas!" (despite its undercurrents of racist sentiments). I mean, it's hard not to argue with slogans like, "Bikinis, not Burkas!
While I would love for Jamaica to "repeal & replace," I'm afraid that would just be ideal dreaming on our part.
I'd rather know if the new Bundestag may amend the dreaded law.Really low down on the list of priorities, really low, if it is there at all.
There is a slight chance, not that the new government would amend it of its own accord, but that they might react positively to a successful challenge to the law in court.
The CDU will be part of the new government. They were the main force behind the new law, but lost a lot of votes and won't waste what little influence they have on this. The Greens will be part of the new government. They were mainly responsible for the complete legalization of prostitution almost 20 years ago (before, it wasn't illegal, but wasn't treated in the same manner as other jobs) and would be sympathetic to amending the law, especially if demands come from prostitutes themselves. The FDP will be part of the new government. They are libertarian and against government regulation. So they would be open to amending the law. They weren't even in the Bundestag in the last 4 years. Parts of the SPD were for the new law, but they are no longer in the government.
While I recognize that the AfD is the extreme, right-wing nutters, one of their ads just happens to resonate with me, "We like bikinis, not Burkas!" (despite its undercurrents of racist sentiments). I mean, it's hard not to argue with slogans like, "Bikinis, not Burkas!Don't make the mistake "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
In an effort to combat foreign influences, right-wing parties sometimes advocate positions which not only they did not advocate before, but which they were opposed to before. In other words, if their own position happens to agree with that of foreign influences, they will oppose it, hoping that people will forget that they used to support it.
So, one sees neonazis coming out in support of women's rights, because radical Muslims don't support them, even though neonazis were far from supporters of women's rights in the past.
Don't make the mistake "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
In an effort to combat foreign influences, right-wing parties sometimes advocate positions which not only they did not advocate before, but which they were opposed to before. In other words, if their own position happens to agree with that of foreign influences, they will oppose it, hoping that people will forget that they used to support it.
So, one sees neonazis coming out in support of women's rights, because radical Muslims don't support them, even though neonazis were far from supporters of women's rights in the past.Brilliant analysis.
Cheers.
KC Questor
10-01-17, 17:56
If the law is not enforced, there is no incentive to repeal it. Leaving it in place and not enforcing it is easy, whereas repealing the law will make some segment of the population unhappy. Repealing also wastes time, money, and political capital.
So, one sees neonazis coming out in support of women's rights, because radical Muslims don't support them, even though neonazis were far from supporters of women's rights in the past.Women's rights to sell sex for money?
Or women's rights to withhold other women from selling sex for money?
There is a war on for who gets to have the right to define the words we use. Don't let them have that right by default. Always question it!
Women's rights to sell sex for money?
Or women's rights to withhold other women from selling sex for money?
There is a war on for who gets to have the right to define the words we use. Don't let them have that right by default. Always question it!Good point, but in this case neither.
It can be confusing, though, like the time FEMEN had topless protesters disrupt a Heidi Klum television show-because it sexualized the candidates.
Good point, but in this case neither.
It can be confusing, though, like the time FEMEN had topless protesters disrupt a Heidi Klum television show-because it sexualized the candidates.But it is not about women's rights. It is about individuals having individual goals in line with what suots th the most (as in game theory). The term 'women's right's' in this context is a rhetorical scam.
But it is not about women's rights. It is about individuals having individual goals in line with what suots th the most (as in game theory). The term 'women's right's' in this context is a rhetorical scam.Well mongers right to BBBJ has been greatly disturbed by German government LOL.
Polyamorist
10-06-17, 10:17
Well mongers right to BBBJ has been greatly disturbed by German government LOL.Salaam Mr Ho, that's putting it lightly. The new laws lead to many edge cases that will keep the finest legal minds in pocket for decades.
For example, let's say you are so desperate for a BBBJ you bring your German girlfriend-for-a-day to Aachen and you have her suck you just across the border. But the German police are on to you and watching you from their side. As you are dropping coins gently into her golden curls, the Polizei are hopping from foot to foot in frustration and waving condoms and gesticulating furiously at the Dutch cops who seem perversely oblivious to the spectacle.
Anyway you finish on her face and saunter back with her into German territory, at which point she promptly falls dead of blowjobitis. The knotty question is: would the Polizei be able to mount a case against you under any law?
Neurosynth
10-06-17, 19:26
To date this new law has been a lot of talk and not much else. As (I) predicted, the places that offered AO still do, but only in the room where it's just you and the girl, and maybe with a slightly increased price.
We've not seen a single case of a man being fined. We've not seen a single case of a club closed by authorities.
Before July 1 some guys were breathlessly reporting that clubs were "already" acting like the law was in effect. Now three months later guys are speculating that there is an informal "phase in" and the real enforcement starts on January first.
Whatever. The empirical facts say this law has, at least to date, amounted to a big nothing relative to being able to find AO services.
Rogue Nation
10-06-17, 20:37
Salaam Mr Ho, that's putting it lightly. The new laws lead to many edge cases that will keep the finest legal minds in pocket for decades.
For example, let's say you are so desperate for a BBBJ you bring your German girlfriend-for-a-day to Aachen and you have her suck you just across the border. But the German police are on to you and watching you from their side. As you are dropping coins gently into her golden curls, the Polizei are hopping from foot to foot in frustration and waving condoms and gesticulating furiously at the Dutch cops who seem perversely oblivious to the spectacle.
Anyway you finish on her face and saunter back with her into German territory, at which point she promptly falls dead of blowjobitis. The knotty question is: would the Polizei be able to mount a case against you under any law?Nonsense. The law applies to paysex only.
Well, one of the two girls who told me prior to 1. July that she'd quit because of the bew registration law and had gained a bit of weight in June, almost giving the impression that she had given up this is now dancing on stage again at Oceans and lost the gained weight again. Looking as good as before. Some girls might think it is the end of the world for a month or two before reality sinks in. And besides, didn't someone in here write a few times that girls working in Austrian FKK's has had to register for years already? Which basically means the registration is a non issue.
Salaam Mr Ho, that's putting it lightly. The new laws lead to many edge cases that will keep the finest legal minds in pocket for decades.
For example, let's say you are so desperate for a BBBJ you bring your German girlfriend-for-a-day to Aachen and you have her suck you just across the border. But the German police are on to you and watching you from their side. As you are dropping coins gently into her golden curls, the Polizei are hopping from foot to foot in frustration and waving condoms and gesticulating furiously at the Dutch cops who seem perversely oblivious to the spectacle.
Anyway you finish on her face and saunter back with her into German territory, at which point she promptly falls dead of blowjobitis. The knotty question is: would the Polizei be able to mount a case against you under any law?We will be able to negotiate our way round to our BBBJ, but with extra prices LOL.
As time move advance, more new girls into business, more negotiations occur LOL.
We monger will get what we want, but with extra prices.
DFK was enough extra before now BBBJ, more to negotiate.
Well, one of the two girls who told me prior to 1. July that she'd quit because of the bew registration law and had gained a bit of weight in June, almost giving the impression that she had given up this is now dancing on stage again at Oceans and lost the gained weight again. Looking as good as before. Some girls might think it is the end of the world for a month or two before reality sinks in. And besides, didn't someone in here write a few times that girls working in Austrian FKK's has had to register for years already? Which basically means the registration is a non issue.WGs are registered since years in Switzerland, kantonal Polizei have their address, Swiss Polizei is worst than German Polizei, they are not always correct with Romanian prostitutes, Swiss clubs are more strict than in Germany, but girls keep on working in Switzerland. All girls I know from Germany, Katalina, Isabella, Megan, Sofia ex LR, Aurelia, Jessika silicon, are now registered by Polizei, but happy about their business at Globe. Where else could they make between 15 000 and 30 000 per month? When at home parents get 200/300 per month.
Money will always attract poor girls and pimps. FKK land is where to buy a Mercedes. Same for Germany, not much will change, my very regular since months in Germany didn't want to register, but now she loves so much taste of money, like taste of blood, getting 20 000 per month, when coming from Brasov. She will register to keep on making big money for next year.
We will be able to negotiate our way round to our BBBJ, but with extra prices LOL.
As time move advance, more new girls into business, more negotiations occur LOL.
We monger will get what we want, but with extra prices.
DFK was enough extra before now BBBJ, more to negotiate.With good behavior and manners, even on first time room, even being a foreigner, no extra asked about new law, maybe Caucasian type help. But I think taking time with girls make girls feel better and give them will to please back. I prefer to have only 1 or 2 enjoyable rooms rather than 4 rabbit, cheap sex.
Rogue Nation
10-07-17, 14:58
And besides, didn't someone in here write a few times that girls working in Austrian FKK's has had to register for years already? Which basically means the registration is a non issue.Yep. They have to. That's why there's few Austrian girls. Makes sense? Same for Germany. Registration is mandatory from 2018. Quite a few of German are thinking about quitting. Registration in DACH doesn't matter for most Romanians.
Smoke Light
10-09-17, 17:44
Wife sees me going to Germany few times a year. Naturally, she gets curios. To the point that she now wants me to take her on vacation to Germany. She wants to go for 2 weeks in June 2018, possibly also visiting Austria. She's OK that I arrange the whole trip.
Has anyone done FKK visits while on vacation with wife / other family members? Jokes on me, but I need your wisdom to plan better. We will arrive in Frankfurt and rent a car. Multiple hotels to be reserved. What's a good excuse to disappear for a few hours here and there? Any and most craziest ideas are greatly appreciated!
Please don't tell me to take my wife to a club. It's not going to happen, she is quite a stiff, way too traditional and boring.
John Traveller
10-09-17, 20:31
Possibly I will go to Duesseldorf, Cologne or Frankfurt/Hessen for the period December 26th to January 1st. Reading this forum I get the impression that this is a bad period to visit fkks, especially Dec 31st. But is it still doable? I mean, there should be some girls. What, if any clubs, in any of the three areas mentioned above can be recommended for this period?
With good behavior and manners, even on first time room, even being a foreigner, no extra asked about new law, maybe Caucasian type help. But I think taking time with girls make girls feel better and give them will to please back. I prefer to have only 1 or 2 enjoyable rooms rather than 4 rabbit, cheap sex.Siri, yeah I behave good with manner, but mind you, in FKK, kindness is only seen as weakness from girls and that is target for hard up sell LOL.
Siri, yeah I behave good with manner, but mind you, in FKK, kindness is only seen as weakness from girls and that is target for hard up sell LOL.You really don't seem to understand how work women, and even prostitutes, even Romanian, in brothels. Give them and most will give you back. No upselling and no new law restrictions for me, even on first time room, at GT, at Sharks. At LR, always same Eve.
Possibly I will go to Duesseldorf, Cologne or Frankfurt/Hessen for the period December 26th to January 1st. Reading this forum I get the impression that this is a bad period to visit fkks, especially Dec 31st. But is it still doable? I mean, there should be some girls. What, if any clubs, in any of the three areas mentioned above can be recommended for this period?Worst period of the year. Between Christmas and New Year FKKs may as well be regarded as closed.
Possibly I will go to Duesseldorf, Cologne or Frankfurt/Hessen for the period December 26th to January 1st. Reading this forum I get the impression that this is a bad period to visit fkks, especially Dec 31st. But is it still doable? I mean, there should be some girls. What, if any clubs, in any of the three areas mentioned above can be recommended for this period?Can be not so bad around Christmas and between Christmas and 30 December, but better to avoid expensive, gay Sylvester party, or to arrive early to fuck before crowd, and then just eat. Entry are usually more expensive for Sylvester, some girls also over rate: 100/30 mn. Not the best day to get quality from girls. Those who stay working are usually those who don't get the best business all along the year, so they try to get best business when top girls are off.
Possibly I will go to Duesseldorf, Cologne or Frankfurt/Hessen for the period December 26th to January 1st. Reading this forum I get the impression that this is a bad period to visit fkks, especially Dec 31st. But is it still doable? I mean, there should be some girls. What, if any clubs, in any of the three areas mentioned above can be recommended for this period?Well some club, I think FKK shark pay the girls to be there during Christmas and new year I think.
It may not be the best LU of the year, but if you are there, you might as well check it out.
Wife sees me going to Germany few times a year. Naturally, she gets curios. To the point that she now wants me to take her on vacation to Germany. She wants to go for 2 weeks in June 2018, possibly also visiting Austria. She's OK that I arrange the whole trip.
Has anyone done FKK visits while on vacation with wife / other family members? Jokes on me, but I need your wisdom to plan better. We will arrive in Frankfurt and rent a car. Multiple hotels to be reserved. What's a good excuse to disappear for a few hours here and there? Any and most craziest ideas are greatly appreciated!
Please don't tell me to take my wife to a club. It's not going to happen, she is quite a stiff, way too traditional and boring.Maybe you can send her to a spa for women? Slip some Viagra for women in her drink before leaving and hire an African male stripper for her at your hotel room when she is done at the spa?
And I forgot to add: then bust her while she is at it. It would give you the perfect excuse to drag her along and have a 3-some in an FFK.
John Traveller. I wouldn't be quite as pessimistic as XXL, but it will be very quiet, maybe lineups down to 25% or less (rough guess) but that will still leave enough girls for a new visitor. If you have a car you can club hop till you find some girls you like.
Sirioja. Yes, if one is nice to the girls most will give back.
Mr Ho. Yes, if one is shows kindness and are regular some girls will think one is a soft target. But if one says no, they accept it, and most continue to be nice and give back good service. I don't blame a poor worker for asking: for all they know I could be a millionaire.
Sirioja. Yes, if one is nice to the girls most will give back.
Mr Ho. Yes, if one is shows kindness and are regular some girls will think one is a soft target. But if one says no, they accept it, and most continue to be nice and give back good service. I don't blame a poor worker for asking: for all they know I could be a millionaire.Yeah, the balance is the key, but butt naked young beauty right in front of you make my wallet loosen up all the time LOL LOL.
I have not visited FKK in November before. What will be the lineup like on the week from November 23 to December 2?
Do girls take holidays already or its still at top attendance especially at oase?
I have not visited FKK in November before. What will be the lineup like on the week from November 23 to December 2?
Do girls take holidays already or its still at top attendance especially at oase?No holiday exodus beginning until second week of December.
I had the pleasure of 3 nights in Frankfurt last weekend and visited my three favourite clubs Palace, Sharks and Oase. It was my first visit post July and I'm glad to say it was largely business as usual when it came to bbj / owo. I had a mixture of old favourites and new girls. I didn't discuss specifications before going to the room. Some just gave bbj without asking, others asked my preference, 1 said she would if I upgraded to CIM, another started with BJ but moved to bbj when she saw it wasn't working for me erection wise and the one occasion where it was BJ throughout the girl later told me if I had taken her for an hour she would have given bbj.
So far more encouraging than I had feared. However, before I post my usual reports wanted to check whether it is the done thing to name the girls giving bbj / owo as I wouldn't want to cause a problem for any of the girls if it is publicly revealed they give owo whether as default or as an option.
I had the pleasure of 3 nights in Frankfurt last weekend and visited my three favourite clubs Palace, Sharks and Oase. It was my first visit post July and I'm glad to say it was largely business as usual when it came to bbj / owo. I had a mixture of old favourites and new girls. I didn't discuss specifications before going to the room. Some just gave bbj without asking, others asked my preference, 1 said she would if I upgraded to CIM, another started with BJ but moved to bbj when she saw it wasn't working for me erection wise and the one occasion where it was BJ throughout the girl later told me if I had taken her for an hour she would have given bbj.
So far more encouraging than I had feared. However, before I post my usual reports wanted to check whether it is the done thing to name the girls giving bbj / owo as I wouldn't want to cause a problem for any of the girls if it is publicly revealed they give owo whether as default or as an option.I am glad to know that because this BBBJ negotiation will kill my penis by spoiling mood.
Though, I am expecting it to be problem in near future, sooner or later, but till then let us enjoy the moment while it last.
You really don't seem to understand how work women, and even prostitutes, even Romanian, in brothels. Give them and most will give you back. No upselling and no new law restrictions for me, even on first time room, at GT, at Sharks. At LR, always same Eve.Well Siri, try your technique at German table at Palace frankfurt and you tell me what really will happen to you after LOL.
NRW are good service clubs beside Oceans, so it is easy, palace and Artemis is more war zone especially with German girls LOL.
Member #4581
10-11-17, 13:07
So far more encouraging than I had feared. However, before I post my usual reports wanted to check whether it is the done thing to name the girls giving bbj / owo as I wouldn't want to cause a problem for any of the girls if it is publicly revealed they give owo whether as default or as an option.BeW glad you had a good trip. In my view, people should write what they want to write and not be bound by the advice / rules of others. We had this endless discussion a few months ago. People are entrenched in their stances and don't budge. Since then, many have visited the club with varying degrees of success and some of them have reported. Neuro would say the law is effectively dead and will remain dead. On the other side, people who articulated their views are sticking to their guns.
Does your report hurt the girls one way or other? I don't think so, but others would have a different view, and we will never reach a conclusion. Which side is right, and whose view should you respect? For you to decide.
I don't like being told what to write. That said, I went to the clubs, posted a report, and the only thing I can say is that it is an honest report with as much detail as I could share comfortably.
The forum rules themselves do not forbid reporting these details. Moderator has made it clear he will not tolerate people discouraging other writers from writing as they want to (as long as forum rules are respected).
I had the pleasure of 3 nights in Frankfurt last weekend and visited my three favourite clubs Palace, Sharks and Oase. It was my first visit post July and I'm glad to say it was largely business as usual when it came to bbj / owo. I had a mixture of old favourites and new girls. I didn't discuss specifications before going to the room. Some just gave bbj without asking, others asked my preference, 1 said she would if I upgraded to CIM, another started with BJ but moved to bbj when she saw it wasn't working for me erection wise and the one occasion where it was BJ throughout the girl later told me if I had taken her for an hour she would have given bbj.
So far more encouraging than I had feared. However, before I post my usual reports wanted to check whether it is the done thing to name the girls giving bbj / owo as I wouldn't want to cause a problem for any of the girls if it is publicly revealed they give owo whether as default or as an option.As Jnpr30 says, it really is up to you. I don't think there is any risk to you in writing what you have done: in that sense as Neurosynth argues, the law is very difficult to enforce.
Personally I will not write detail about any illegal activities taking place. My concern is that if any places get too high a profile as being places where the law is broken, pressure might build and in six months or a year we might see raids targeted on those clubs. Such raids would ostensibly be to do with building or fire regulations, or tax evasion, or licencing infringements.
This type of use of powers has happened in Krefeld last year, at Dolce Vita (Raubach) a couple of years ago, and many years ago even led to the fall of the famed Atlantis in Altenstadt :(
It is possible to write informative reports, and use PMs, without shoving it in the face of the authorities.
That's my opinion. No more, no less.
Smoke Light
10-11-17, 18:50
Maybe you can send her to a spa for women? Slip some Viagra for women in her drink before leaving and hire an African male stripper for her at your hotel room when she is done at the spa?Pistons,
Sweet idea! Getting a hotel with a spa is nice! I can buy a spa ticket right on the spot after I arrive and ask the staff to send the ticket to the room as a present from the hotel management.
Meanwhile, I continue my planning. So far best I came up with is a messe attendance in Frankfurt, Dussedorf, or Koeln. That should cover my ass for up to 3 or 4 days of disappearance which I consider a good achievement visiting Deutschland with wife in tow. Ya!
However, this limits my options to daytime FKK only. My prior adventures were primarily nighttime FKK. Not sure which places are best to visit at daytime. Asking for everyone's expert opinion, thanks in advance!
I am going to Dusseldorf and thought of visit Oceans.
Is it recommended or do you have other recommendation?
Pistons,
Sweet idea! Getting a hotel with a spa is nice! I can buy a spa ticket right on the spot after I arrive and ask the staff to send the ticket to the room as a present from the hotel management.
Meanwhile, I continue my planning. So far best I came up with is a messe attendance in Frankfurt, Dussedorf, or Koeln. That should cover my ass for up to 3 or 4 days of disappearance which I consider a good achievement visiting Deutschland with wife in tow. Ya!
However, this limits my options to daytime FKK only. My prior adventures were primarily nighttime FKK. Not sure which places are best to visit at daytime. Asking for everyone's expert opinion, thanks in advance!Marriage even raise the hurdles for husband to monger.
BadinSweet
10-11-17, 23:56
Smoke Light, since you are going in Jun 2018, I hope you are a big football / soccer fan. As that is when the World Cup 2018 starts in Russia. Maybe you can "go watch the game at a bar with a bunch of guys".
Smoke Light: if you take my advice, you should take yhe whole package. Not just parts of it (LOL, jk).
Daytime FKK's: SharksYinyang, GT, Aca also works OK. Maybe more, but these 4 are perhaps the best I have been to in Germany daytime. Oase can be OK if you are lucky daytime also. At summer at least.
Wife sees me going to Germany few times a year. Naturally, she gets curios. To the point that she now wants me to take her on vacation to Germany. She wants to go for 2 weeks in June 2018, possibly also visiting Austria. She's OK that I arrange the whole trip.
Has anyone done FKK visits while on vacation with wife / other family members? Jokes on me, but I need your wisdom to plan better. We will arrive in Frankfurt and rent a car. Multiple hotels to be reserved. What's a good excuse to disappear for a few hours here and there? Any and most craziest ideas are greatly appreciated!
Please don't tell me to take my wife to a club. It's not going to happen, she is quite a stiff, way too traditional and boring.One small point is that after a day in FKK going back to your wife can be challenging. However anxious one is to use every minute at FKK, make sure that before you leave the club you shower top to bottom using a completely neutral smelling shampoo or even better, the one you use at the hotel. Hope this doesn't sound patronising, but I remember making a mistake about this.
If you are saying you are going to a Messe you could be vulnerable to your wife checking out and discover n that you are going to a Messe on the development of sewage systems or some such unlikely subject. Cover blown. How about developing an obssesive hobby like the industrial history of NRW: plenty of sites to call in at (taking untimed photos).Or in Hessen, following the frontier of the Roman Empire, along "The Limes". Of course you have to choose an interest which your wife will hate.
Like BadinSweet says, a football tournament is good cover if you say you are going with a group of guys so you can be out for a long part of the day
Whatever you do, be aware that your wife may well know you are up to something even if she never says a word.
One small point is that after a day in FKK going back to your wife can be challenging. However anxious one is to use every minute at FKK, make sure that before you leave the club you shower top to bottom using a completely neutral smelling shampoo or even better, the one you use at the hotel. Hope this doesn't sound patronising, but I remember making a mistake about this.
If you are saying you are going to a Messe you could be vulnerable to your wife checking out and discover n that you are going to a Messe on the development of sewage systems or some such unlikely subject. Cover blown. How about developing an obssesive hobby like the industrial history of NRW: plenty of sites to call in at (taking untimed photos).Or in Hessen, following the frontier of the Roman Empire, along "The Limes". Of course you have to choose an interest which your wife will hate.
Like BadinSweet says, a football tournament is good cover if you say you are going with a group of guys so you can be out for a long part of the day
Whatever you do, be aware that your wife may well know you are up to something even if she never says a word.Marriage can be very scary thing. Can be grave of life.
I have not visited FKK in November before. What will be the lineup like on the week from November 23 to December 2?
Do girls take holidays already or its still at top attendance especially at oase?Many girls who want to make money before Christmas and registration.
Well Siri, try your technique at German table at Palace frankfurt and you tell me what really will happen to you after LOL.
NRW are good service clubs beside Oceans, so it is easy, palace and Artemis is more war zone especially with German girls LOL.If You can't manage with German girls at Palace or Artemis, don t go to them. I know lovely German girls at GT, LR, Harmony, Atmos, Sharks, Globe, even Romanians are usually more my type for my way for sex. So many girls who don t ask for money for DFK or about new law, because they just want business, FKK life go on.
According to some locals, the industrial history of NRW is perhaps the most interesting thing there is in this area. And it is made tourist friendly also, so I wouldn't bet on wife disliking that affection.
I'm going on a business trip to Dusseldorf on November 5th and then thought about visiting the Oceans.
Is this a good choice or you have other recommendations?
John Traveller
10-12-17, 21:02
Seems like I will stay at home for Cristmas then.
Or if I go then a major club like Living Room might be the best.
In Cologne: what's biggest of them?
John Traveller. I wouldn't be quite as pessimistic as XXL, but it will be very quiet, maybe lineups down to 25% or less (rough guess) but that will still leave enough girls for a new visitor. If you have a car you can club hop till you find some girls you like.
I'm going on a business trip to Dusseldorf on November 5th and then thought about visiting the Oceans.
Is this a good choice or you have other recommendations?Just avoid taking a taxi there and speak some German at the reception, place the entry fee at the desk and you'll be fine.
Best is to get there between 14.00 and 15.00 if you are able to stay the whole night. But the club won't really get alive before after 1900 or 2000. But you can take a nap, have a meal and perhaps find one doable girl who starts working early.
Some people in here just don't like oceans because the receptionists have asked for higher entry if you seem like a clueless tourist. Never happened to me, but its a rumor. The thing is though that even if they have somewhat of a point, the club has the highest optics in nrw.
Oh, and one or two girls there are rumored to do time scams. It happens in almost all clubs these days (except aca where the bartender writes down the time in the book), so keep a watch with you and look at what it is when she writes it down when getting the key.
At least not according to wikipedia:
"Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual activity in exchange for payment either as money, goods, services, or some other benefit agreed upon by the transacting parties."
Money: "Money is a store of value that holds its buying power over an extended period of time. Fiat currency does not. This is the key difference between money and currency. "
Link: https://www.bitstocks.com/blog/the-critical-difference-between-money-and-currency-you-need-to-know.
Basically, fiat currency (monopoly play money) is not money, so if you hand the girls fiat in trade for sex, it is not prostitution.
If You can't manage with German girls at Palace or Artemis, don t go to them. I know lovely German girls at GT, LR, Harmony, Atmos, Sharks, Globe, even Romanians are usually more my type for my way for sex. So many girls who don t ask for money for DFK or about new law, because they just want business, FKK life go on.Siri LOL. Just try your good manner and technique at German table at FKK palace LOL.
Again, NRW has better service in general for some reason especially LR, I do not know why that is and how club manage to convince girls to give better service, but NRW definitely has better service than other German FKK I have been to like Artemis or palace or now Oase and sharks.
Oceans are bit different, but still service there is far better than palace or artemis, but I have to say, one can get real good service in palace, but road to that is helluva negotiation LOL.
Just avoid taking a taxi there and speak some German at the reception, place the entry fee at the desk and you'll be fine.
Best is to get there between 14.00 and 15.00 if you are able to stay the whole night. But the club won't really get alive before after 1900 or 2000. But you can take a nap, have a meal and perhaps find one doable girl who starts working early.
Some people in here just don't like oceans because the receptionists have asked for higher entry if you seem like a clueless tourist. Never happened to me, but its a rumor. The thing is though that even if they have somewhat of a point, the club has the highest optics in nrw.
Oh, and one or two girls there are rumored to do time scams. It happens in almost all clubs these days (except aca where the bartender writes down the time in the book), so keep a watch with you and look at what it is when she writes it down when getting the key.Or get off the taxi at Suzuki dealership, this is what I do, and taxi driver is always angry about that make me feel so nice LOL.
At least not according to wikipedia:
"Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual activity in exchange for payment either as money, goods, services, or some other benefit agreed upon by the transacting parties."
Money: "Money is a store of value that holds its buying power over an extended period of time. Fiat currency does not. This is the key difference between money and currency. "
Link: https://www.bitstocks.com/blog/the-critical-difference-between-money-and-currency-you-need-to-know.
Basically, fiat currency (monopoly play money) is not money, so if you hand the girls fiat in trade for sex, it is not prostitution.Well it is paid sex, but it is just much cheaper than usual dating style paid sex like wining and dining few times and sex.
We do the math which is cheaper and better and chosen German FKK LOL.
I mean we just pay directly with cash, not in format of bags, shoes, dinners, house, cars etc etc.
Sunny side for us monger mathematician is that we can choose girls and change all the time as we want LOL.
Well it is paid sex, but it is just much cheaper than usual dating style paid sex like wining and dining few times and sex.
We do the math which is cheaper and better and chosen German FKK LOL.
I mean we just pay directly with cash, not in format of bags, shoes, dinners, house, cars etc etc.
Sunny side for us monger mathematician is that we can choose girls and change all the time as we want LOL.I don't think you are following my drift here. Fiat currency is not money. And in all the law books it talks about money in relation to prostitution. Fiat currency is only worth how much we want it to be. And so we can value it at 0 if we want. Or the price of the paper it is written on.
We can say that the girl brought the baby wraps and cleaning paper, and we brought a piece with some arbitrary numbers on. So it is just a hobby.
Neurosynth
10-13-17, 20:23
Anyone who thinks that fiat currency (e. g. US dollars) is not money is welcome to send theirs to me.
Anyone who thinks that fiat currency (e. g. US dollars) is not money is welcome to send theirs to me.If you go by the definition on bitstocks, fiat currency is not money as it does not hold its value over time. It gets inflated. You need some sort of gold standard or something hard to trade it into in order to hold value over time. So by definition fiat is not money. And as it is not backed by anything other than itself, we can value it to be worth anything.
Vito Corleone
10-13-17, 23:33
Seems like I will stay at home for Cristmas then.
Or if I go then a major club like Living Room might be the best.
In Cologne: what's biggest of them?You're still going to find a good looking babe to bang. Maybe not 100's of choices, but how many do you really need? Better than jacking off at home.
I don't think you are following my drift here. Fiat currency is not money. And in all the law books it talks about money in relation to prostitution. Fiat currency is only worth how much we want it to be. And so we can value it at 0 if we want. Or the price of the paper it is written on.
We can say that the girl brought the baby wraps and cleaning paper, and we brought a piece with some arbitrary numbers on. So it is just a hobby.The economist on prostitution LOL.
Well I go, I seek, I find, I pay, I enjoy and fly out LOL.
I do not dig further, I tend to think this is more enjoyable way than marriage which has much more economical and other burdens on mens life with little return in most cases.
The economist on prostitution LOL.Not really, because it is not prostitution. Hello? Aren't you following what I am trying to say?
With all this stuff about Harvey W in the news, one can't help but wonder:
If only he had discovered the German FKK scene, he could have done all those things with much better looking / performing women, and for 50 e /30 mins at a time. Things could have been so, so different, and he would not be falling down the hole he now finds himself in. What a Fool!
With all this stuff about Harvey W in the news, one can't help but wonder:
If only he had discovered the German FKK scene, he could have done all those things with much better looking / performing women, and for 50 e /30 mins at a time. Things could have been so, so different, and he would not be falling down the hole he now finds himself in. What a Fool!Be glad people like him stuck to "free" pussy rather than spoil the market in FKKs. One the one hand it's sad to see men being hunted for just being men. On the other hand those rich and famous guys never lifted a finger to prevent normal men's (sexual) rights from being eroded the World over. Now the Beast is catching up with them. I would sympathise more if only they would fight the system instead of trying to prove they "didn't do it".
Be glad people like him stuck to "free" pussy rather than spoil the market in FKKs. One the one hand it's sad to see men being hunted for just being men. On the other hand those rich and famous guys never lifted a finger to prevent normal men's (sexual) rights from being eroded the World over. Now the Beast is catching up with them. I would sympathise more if only they would fight the system instead of trying to prove they "didn't do it".What are you talking about? He assaulted women, pressured women into unwanted sex acts and maybe even raped a few. Is that what being a man is according to you?
It's a bit unclear what your point is. Are you going to use that excuse if you're caught or did you have other ideas for this distinction? I hope you realize that the courts will just laugh at you and then sentence you according to the laws of wherever you are.
Not really, because it is not prostitution. Hello? Aren't you following what I am trying to say?
Smoke Light
10-15-17, 15:59
Be glad people like him stuck to "free" pussy rather than spoil the market in FKKs. One the one hand it's sad to see men being hunted for just being men. On the other hand those rich and famous guys never lifted a finger to prevent normal men's (sexual) rights from being eroded the World over. Now the Beast is catching up with them. I would sympathise more if only they would fight the system instead of trying to prove they "didn't do it".Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country? How could Harvey fight the system? The system which is absolutely fucked up. US promotes around the world that prostitution is a crime, but allows it in Nevada. In my book, Nevada should then be world's number one place for trafficking and other terrible crimes against humanity. How come it's not? Hypocrisy. If Harvey said anything to legalize prostitution, his career would be over and family lost. We now know his wife was a terrible woman. If you or I speak up, we too lose our jobs and "public dignity". How about Larry Flynt's murder attempt in 1978?
If you understand how to fight it, let us know. I don't.
Member #4581
10-15-17, 16:12
"It is not prostitution".
I guess BillC had a better story to tell when he claimed it was not sex. I mean, if a WG stopped after BJ and demanded payment, would n’t you go to the front desk and argue "but we didn't even have sex yet"?
Perhaps WGs will realize their folly and begin demanding payments in gold and bitcoin instead of silly Euros.
Member #4581
10-15-17, 16:19
Be glad people like him stuck to "free" pussy rather than spoil the market in FKKs. One the one hand it's sad to see men being hunted for just being men. On the other hand those rich and famous guys never lifted a finger to prevent normal men's (sexual) rights from being eroded the World over. Now the Beast is catching up with them. I would sympathise more if only they would fight the system instead of trying to prove they "didn't do it".This saga is one more shining light on the hypocrisy of Americans when it comes to sex.
Practically every single powerful man in politics, sports, entertainment, corporate world *and religion* has cheated, and the only question is whether they are caught yet or not.
The likes of Hugh Grant and Charlie Sheen went with prostitutes (or may be not. They did get paid with fiat dollars) and porn stars, and were run out of town. If more of these people in power did what Sheen and Grant did, you would have less episodes like these Weinstein deeds.
I guess BillC had a better story to tell when he claimed it was not sex.Monica Lewinsky missed the all-time best-ever opportunity for a pithy one-liner. During her questioning about her affair with Bill, she should have said "Well, Your Honor, I didn't inhale. ".
Polyamorist
10-15-17, 19:59
One the one hand it's sad to see men being hunted for just being men.Marhaba XXXL! Harvey W wasn't just a man being a man. Harvey W was an asshole.
https://youtu.be/sEJ7l0kfDic
Maybe we would have better talent onscreen if they didn't have to go through Harvey Ws. The quality of the women we get is gated too much by these types of people, pimps of all kinds who impregnate women with their cynical world view.
It's a bit unclear what your point is. Are you going to use that excuse if you're caught or did you have other ideas for this distinction? I hope you realize that the courts will just laugh at you and then sentence you according to the laws of wherever you are.[Deleted by Admin] what is it then that makes currency (euro) more into money than random cryptocurrency x created by little john in his basement over in Lille? None are backed by anything if you to the source and wants to trade it in. If you go to a lilocal DM store you may get a bag of chips one day for 2 e, but the next day it might cost you 3 e. And you may go to little johns local nail store and one day buy 2 nails of him for 2 units and the next day he will only give you 1.8 nails.
So are both currencies money then?
What are you talking about? He assaulted women, pressured women into unwanted sex acts and maybe even raped a few. Is that what being a man is according to you?Maybe I don't know about men but by now I know something about women. Boohoo, I was assaulted 20 years ago when I was running the cock carousel, boohoo, now I've hit the wall rich men don't want to assault me any more I lodge a complaint boohoo, I'm a poor middle aged gold-digger I need a judge to give me some millions to support my parasitic lifestyle boohoo.
Besides, to the wider public these days some Hollywood big shot "assaulting" women in private is no different from us "assaulting" women in FKKs. That's why it's better to think twice before applauding at such man-hunts.
"It is not prostitution".
I guess BillC had a better story to tell when he claimed it was not sex. I mean, if a WG stopped after BJ and demanded payment, would nt you go to the front desk and argue "but we didn't even have sex yet"?
Perhaps WGs will realize their folly and begin demanding payments in gold and bitcoin instead of silly Euros.Bitcoin is just a currency too. So its almost the same. It has zero backing even if the total amount is just 21 million.
Gold has some uses but it is very heavy and inconvenient to carry around.
But if you go to Thailand for example, most or at least very many of the 'hobby girls' (my new expression, LOL) there hanging out in the gogo's and massage parlour etc trade their bath into gold almost instantly. They do it even if they loose 10% in communion because in some parts of the world like Thailand the paradigm is a bit different and central banks haven't been as successful at lying to their people (propaganda) regarding the value of their own fiat.
Besides, to the wider public these days some Hollywood big shot "assaulting" women in private is no different from us "assaulting" women in FKKs. That's why it's better to think twice before applauding at such man-hunts.You make a very valid point. The same one's who want his head would be after us for taking advantage of poor, vulnerable women even though what we do is absolutely, 100% consensual. But these people don't care about that. For them, the woman is always the victim who can't protect herself or make good decisions on her own about what to do with her body.
One of the things that always gets me about these cases. Whether it's Weinstein or Cosby or whoever. The woman was always "in his room" and he did this. "I was in his room" and he did that. What the hell are they doing "in his room"? I mean, do you think a guy who invites you to his room really just wants to show you his etchings? No, he wants to get between you and your panties, and you knew that lady! You voluntarily went to his room, and now you want to cry foul when a man acts like a man! And all the while you were using your puss and ass like carrots to get a contract!
In the end, yes I agree that Weinstein is a fat, ugly loser with no game when it comes to women. But all these women? They're not all a bunch of innocents either! They knew what was up, and they tried to play the game to their advantage right up to the very end. Including boo hooing about it decades later like XXL points out. If you don't want it to go there, stay out of a guy's hotel room! And if it was that bad what happened, then you go to the authorities sooner rather than later. Certainly not 20 or 30 years later! That's just a bunch of passive, aggressive bullshit! Well, the statute of limitations often will eliminate a lot of this, but still people's reputations and careers get destroyed.
Maybe I don't know about men but by now I know something about women. Boohoo, I was assaulted 20 years ago when I was running the cock carousel, boohoo, now I've hit the wall rich men don't want to assault me any more I lodge a complaint boohoo, I'm a poor middle aged gold-digger I need a judge to give me some millions to support my parasitic lifestyle boohoo.
Besides, to the wider public these days some Hollywood big shot "assaulting" women in private is no different from us "assaulting" women in FKKs. That's why it's better to think twice before applauding at such man-hunts.Well we get away with all our sexual memories in Germany and other places LOL.
I fucked some celebrities before they become famous during their youth and it is great pleasure for me to see them on tv now LOL.
It is predator if you do not monger, but if you monger it is all legal, funny world hey? LOL.
Member #4581
10-16-17, 12:36
Just kidding Pistons. As Scalia said of porn, "I know it when I see it" — most of us know what prostitution is when we see it regardless of its legal definition.
I hope you had bought a couple of bitcoins, would have paid for your club visits for a year. LOL. I am old fashioned and keep my my money in what you denigrate as "fiat currency".
Still, these clubs are so behind their times and don't even accept credit cards or mobile payments — it will be a long time before you can pay for your entry and room visits with bitcoin or any other crypto currencies.
Neurosynth
10-16-17, 21:08
If you go by the definition on bitstocks, fiat currency is not money as it does not hold its value over time. It gets inflated. You need some sort of gold standard or something hard to trade it into in order to hold value over time. So by definition fiat is not money. And as it is not backed by anything other than itself, we can value it to be worth anything.Fantastic. You can then value your fiat currency (US dollars) at zero and feel no loss when you send it all to me.
Neurosynth
10-16-17, 21:12
With all this stuff about Harvey W in the news, one can't help but wonder:
If only he had discovered the German FKK scene, he could have done all those things with much better looking / performing women, and for 50 e /30 mins at a time. Things could have been so, so different, and he would not be falling down the hole he now finds himself in. What a Fool!He could have hired hookers, or become a sugar daddy, or found regular women who like the smell of money, for more than willing sex. But he didn't. Why? Because it's not about sex, it's about getting off on the abusive exercise of power and violence.
Fantastic. You can then value your fiat currency (US dollars) at zero and feel no loss when you send it all to me.I can, but I won't. I like to play games too. Ever since I was very little I played monopoly.
KC Questor
10-17-17, 02:52
He could have hired hookers, or become a sugar daddy, or found regular women who like the smell of money, for more than willing sex. But he didn't. Why? Because it's not about sex, it's about getting off on the abusive exercise of power and violence.Goddamn, Neurosynth. Every time you post I find myself agreeing with what you have to say.
Fantastic. You can then value your fiat currency (US dollars) at zero and feel no loss when you send it all to me.On second thought, maybe I will send you all my fiat. If I were you, I would check my mail every day now.
Sebastiane
10-17-17, 15:28
I think I might be a sex addict! I have had sex with 9 girls in the past 48 hours including 7 at an FKK and 2 others I met from dating sites. Since August I've slept with about 25 women and it is starting to bother me. My holidays are now exclusively based on where I can get the best P4P! Am I worrying for no reason or is this something to be worried about. Also, compared to when I started this hobby my sexual activities and desires have become more and more extreme. Now I'm into things I wouldn't have even imagined 10 years ago. Or is it just a middle age crisis and nothing to worry about as all real men love beautiful women and I am in the lucky position of being able to do that due to being a monger?
In the end, yes I agree that Weinstein is a fat, ugly loser with no game when it comes to women. But all these women? They're not all a bunch of innocents either! They knew what was up, and they tried to play the game to their advantage right up to the very end. Including boo hooing about it decades later like XXL points out. If you don't want it to go there, stay out of a guy's hotel room! And if it was that bad what happened, then you go to the authorities sooner rather than later. Certainly not 20 or 30 years later! That's just a bunch of passive, aggressive bullshit! Well, the statute of limitations often will eliminate a lot of this, but still people's reputations and careers get destroyed.In the end, Weinstein managed to fuck many stunners over decades LOL But difference is that he did not get away with it, where as we will get away with it keeping our good reputation as civilized gentlemen in our country LOL.
Nobody knows the real details of our cultural trip to Germany to visit museums LOL.
Sebastiane
10-18-17, 09:03
I don't know if this is a topic that's been discussed before but I am sort of worried I might be addicted to sex! I've been going to FKK for a long time but recently my level of activity has increased a lot. I've had sex with 10 women in 48 hours including 7 in FKK and three I met in real life from dating sites like tinder and SA. What's even more worrying is that vanilla sex doesn't do it for me now and nor do women my own age (middle 40's). I am increasingly aroused by sexual activities that I would have considered perverse a while back thanks to my FKK experiences and also the girls have to be like the slim FKK gazelles for me to get properly aroused and not more than mid 20's. To make things even more complicated I've started dating a young Latina whose really nice but she's 20 years younger than me and yet I'm worried I will fuck it up with her because of my addiction. Is this what other mongers find too that prolonged mongering can fuck up their normal sex lives?
I think I might be a sex addict! I have had sex with 9 girls in the past 48 hours including 7 at an FKK and 2 others I met from dating sites. Since August I've slept with about 25 women and it is starting to bother me. My holidays are now exclusively based on where I can get the best P4P! Am I worrying for no reason or is this something to be worried about. Also, compared to when I started this hobby my sexual activities and desires have become more and more extreme. Now I'm into things I wouldn't have even imagined 10 years ago. Or is it just a middle age crisis and nothing to worry about as all real men love beautiful women and I am in the lucky position of being able to do that due to being a monger?Maybe you are just independent minded enough to enjoy what life has to offer.
As long as you are in control of your behaviour. From example, are you able to afford your hobby? Are you able to enjoy other things in life? Can you put your hobby in the perspective of your life values?
Don't let the naysayers get inside your head. Once upon a time men had to know their place and tug their forelocks to those who wanted to deprive them of decent food and leisure. Thank god we can now take more of our own decisions in life.
Fifteen years ago I went to a room and was harangued by a girl,: a fellow ISG member had read word for word o her way I wrote on ISG.
Today I get a challenging message from a girl unhappy about what I recently wrote about her.
One way or another the girls know what is written here and often who is writing.
That s why I usually keep my reports a bit anodyne. On this latest occasion I broke my own rule and the result is uncomfortable.
Polyamorist
10-19-17, 00:12
Fifteen years ago I went to a room and was harangued by a girl,: a fellow ISG member had read word for word o her way I wrote on ISG.
Today I get a challenging message from a girl unhappy about what I recently wrote about her.
One way or another the girls know what is written here and often who is writing.
That s why I usually keep my reports a bit anodyne. On this latest occasion I broke my own rule and the result is uncomfortable.Salaam Optimist, don't let them harangue you into silence. The more honest you are, the more of a service you are doing to the community.
Member #4581
10-19-17, 03:21
Sorry, is there someone actively posting here that's not a sex addict?
It's a bit like being a regular participant in pie eating contests and then saying you are slightly worried about sugar levels.
Sorry, is there someone actively posting here that's not a sex addict?
It's a bit like being a regular participant in pie eating contests and then saying you are slightly worried about sugar levels.I am fine food, exercise and sex addict, I always have been and I swear I always will be LOL.
Dxb Doctor
10-19-17, 06:57
I don't know if this is a topic that's been discussed before but I am sort of worried I might be addicted to sex! I've been going to FKK for a long time but recently my level of activity has increased a lot. I've had sex with 10 women in 48 hours including 7 in FKK and three I met in real life from dating sites like tinder and SA. What's even more worrying is that vanilla sex doesn't do it for me now and nor do women my own age (middle 40's). I am increasingly aroused by sexual activities that I would have considered perverse a while back thanks to my FKK experiences and also the girls have to be like the slim FKK gazelles for me to get properly aroused and not more than mid 20's. To make things even more complicated I've started dating a young Latina whose really nice but she's 20 years younger than me and yet I'm worried I will fuck it up with her because of my addiction. Is this what other mongers find too that prolonged mongering can fuck up their normal sex lives?Obviously you are not happy with how things are progressing for you sexually, so I recommend you to see a sex therapist.
I am fine food, exercise and sex addict, I always have been and I swear I always will be LOL.Call it "sex addiction" or whatever. I don't know. All I know is that I'm comfortable with who and what I am. Not about to let a bunch of bullshit societal mores get into my head (again) and stop me from living my life how I want to. I remember the first time I went to Rio. Had just had a super session with a hot strawberry blonde. Sitting there in the hot tub alone afterwards contemplating about life. My whole perspective on this thing changed in those moments. And for the better I might add! At least for me. Life should be enjoyed as much as possible. So find things you love to do, and do them. I like to do many things, including fucking pretty girls. I mean, who doesn't like that hahaha! I combine that with my love of international travel, history, good food and drink learning about other cultures. And more. What am I missing here? Choose to be happy! Real mongers stand up!
Sorry, is there someone actively posting here that's not a sex addict?
It's a bit like being a regular participant in pie eating contests and then saying you are slightly worried about sugar levels.Heh, LOL. Well at least sex is healthy for us. Despite what the crazy planned parenthood guys with too much money are trying to make us think (STD's).
Polyamorist
10-20-17, 12:08
Heh, LOL. Well at least sex is healthy for us. Despite what the crazy planned parenthood guys with too much money are trying to make us think (STD's).Salaam Pistons, I hope we don't get too many sales guys for sex addiction therapy on the forum.
Regular sex contributes to longevity:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201705/want-live-longer-have-sex-regularly?amp
It's true for women too.
Additionally if you are not having sex regularly, you may be seeking sensual satisfaction in other ways like eating ice cream and chocolate, worsening the obesity epidemic.
Anyway this is why I think sexual repression is a public health issue and FKKs should be considered a true health resource as well as everything else.
Smoke Light
10-20-17, 13:47
sexual repression is a public health issue and FKKs should be considered a true health resource as well as everything else.I agree 100%. I am a "sex addict" since age 12, when I first masturbated. At that age I was looking at women on a public beach and wanted to have sex with most of them. Little has changed since then. I enjoy women of all sorts of body types, ages, and race. Between FKK visits I have to masturbate almost every day. If I lived in Germany I would visit FKK once or twice per week, instead of packing 14 day trips resulting in about 40 or more ejaculations. And on my flight back to US I am already planning my next mongering voyage. Be your own sex therapist, enjoy life.
Anyway this is why I think sexual repression is a public health issue and FKKs should be considered a true health resource as well as everything else.Salami Polyamorist! I totally agree!
(Just avoid the salami no matter the type of mystery meat).
Sebastiane
10-20-17, 23:30
Don't worry people I don't plan on changing my lifestyle too much as I enjoy it too much but I just did some online surveys about sex addiction and I ticked most of the boxes!
I guess I should be grateful- and I am! That I have the opportunity to sleep with 10 girls in a couple of days. I think what worries me more is that (as I have found already) regular girlfriends are not as good at sex or willing to do all the things that FKK girls are! I guess I am concerned this addictive lifestyle could have a detrimental effect on any serious relationships I have.
Sebastiane
10-20-17, 23:35
I'm currently going through a thing for beurettes- ever since my visit to Morocco last year -- and sadly France is now not a good place for P4 P mongering so I am wondering if in Germany any FKK clubs have Moroccan or Algerian or Tunisian girls or girls who are German but whose parents came from North Africa?
I'm currently going through a thing for beurettes- ever since my visit to Morocco last year -- and sadly France is now not a good place for P4 P mongering so I am wondering if in Germany any FKK clubs have Moroccan or Algerian or Tunisian girls or girls who are German but whose parents came from North Africa?Out of Palace, GT, LR, Oceans, Artemis.
I have bumped into girls like that in Artemis, but they were half north African and half German white girls born and lived in Germany, they were my exotic session candidate as they were beauties. I never came across pure Moroccan or north African though.
Or at GT, I bumped into few brown skin girls that looks like north African, but were from Romania or Bulgaria, I guess they are from roma gypsy?
And at Palace, there was a girl called Aida, who has quarter Moroccan blood, she is real beauty, I am not sure if she is still there though and I have been told she only works sometimes as she is escort.
I'm currently going through a thing for beurettes- ever since my visit to Morocco last year -- and sadly France is now not a good place for P4 P mongering so I am wondering if in Germany any FKK clubs have Moroccan or Algerian or Tunisian girls or girls who are German but whose parents came from North Africa?If you ask some of the girls to introduce you to a Berber girl, I am sure more than half the club is willing to be your beurette for an hour. LOL.
PussyLiccker
10-21-17, 05:53
I'm currently going through a thing for beurettes- ever since my visit to Morocco last year -- and sadly France is now not a good place for P4 P mongering so I am wondering if in Germany any FKK clubs have Moroccan or Algerian or Tunisian girls or girls who are German but whose parents came from North Africa?I met a few, but very very minor in number.
One at Sharks 3 yrs ago that provided one of the horniest session ever! 21 yrs girl that was her first day at Sharks from previous elderly home work I think. We talked about going to the jacuzzi and she wanted take a dip, and we made out in there. Then hopped into a cave nearby, and the session just flowed in horny fashion. That was a session I would never forget! She was a moroccan girl that grew up in Germany. After that I went into a phase of trying to take girls to the jacuzzi. LOL.
Further back there was a late 20's German girl of Moroccan heritage I met at Oase on a weekend night back when I used to meet those kind then. To entice me, she would do a dance and grid her back against me to work me up in the lounge. My decision was pretty much made then, and in the room she was ferocious with so much energy. Can't forget her either.
At Aca I met a Moroccan as well, but not really the kind of services as above, but her services was great with an awesome attitude.
So, mainly positive, but very minor sampling size. So minor of an occurrence running into them, and have not for awhile met any and don't expect to.
I'm currently going through a thing for beurettes- ever since my visit to Morocco last year -- and sadly France is now not a good place for P4 P mongering so I am wondering if in Germany any FKK clubs have Moroccan or Algerian or Tunisian girls or girls who are German but whose parents came from North Africa?I've had two good experiences with Moroccan girls. Both were memorable. One of the girls looked like a pretty little Latina with a plump, round heiney who took one good butt fucking missionary style I tell you! The other was a fake blonde, white-skinned Moroccan who let me go bareback in her nookie (she really liked me)! At the appointed time, I pulled out and "nutted" on her tummy. These two experiences leave me lusting for more North African, Moorish / Berber, French influenced puss and ass. In Europe, it's rare, but I have found Moroccan girls in Spain.
Call it "sex addiction" or whatever. I don't know. All I know is that I'm comfortable with who and what I am. Not about to let a bunch of bullshit societal mores get into my head (again) and stop me from living my life how I want to. I remember the first time I went to Rio. Had just had a super session with a hot strawberry blonde. Sitting there in the hot tub alone afterwards contemplating about life. My whole perspective on this thing changed in those moments. And for the better I might add! At least for me. Life should be enjoyed as much as possible. So find things you love to do, and do them. I like to do many things, including fucking pretty girls. I mean, who doesn't like that hahaha! I combine that with my love of international travel, history, good food and drink learning about other cultures. And more. What am I missing here? Choose to be happy! Real mongers stand up!I got those moment when I feel like you did in Jacuzzi like I did it and I am doing right thing in life. I always also love the moment I walk out of FKK after many good sessions with stunner feeling wow I lived today, I lived and I am going to do this again tomorrow, I just love this feeling!
Monger on mongers!
Knight Mid
10-21-17, 23:19
Don't worry people I don't plan on changing my lifestyle too much as I enjoy it too much but I just did some online surveys about sex addiction and I ticked most of the boxes!
I guess I should be grateful- and I am! That I have the opportunity to sleep with 10 girls in a couple of days. I think what worries me more is that (as I have found already) regular girlfriends are not as good at sex or willing to do all the things that FKK girls are! I guess I am concerned this addictive lifestyle could have a detrimental effect on any serious relationships I have.I've recently been trying stoicism which is a philosophy of life. I think it applies. I don't agree with what it says specifically about sex or marriage but the rest is helpful to me. It values tranquility over pursuit of pleasure and fundamentally says humans are never satisfied and always seeking novelty and status. I'm a monger but I like to break things down which is another tenant of stoicism. I'm just saying if you want to be satisfied study some philosophy. It is a point I wanted to make. I can't wait to do some sex addict stuff in Germany.
I've recently been trying stoicism which is a philosophy of life. I think it applies. I don't agree with what it says specifically about sex or marriage but the rest is helpful to me. It values tranquility over pursuit of pleasure and fundamentally says humans are never satisfied and always seeking novelty and status. I'm a monger but I like to break things down which is another tenant of stoicism. I'm just saying if you want to be satisfied study some philosophy. It is a point I wanted to make. I can't wait to do some sex addict stuff in Germany.Mongering is very philosophical to me actually.
I mean I fly into Germany to have dirty hentai sex with multiple girls from different back grounds, both by country, life and culture meaning, some young girls I fuck are from roma decent, some are blonde German or Czech or Polish, some are half exotic race and half German second generation immigrant beauties, some are university students doing it for while, some are pro, some are just young girl who do it sometimes to buy bags they want or make the end meet with their life whether to support herself to pay rent, mortgage or car or whatever.
I mean come on, how else will I living in other side of world here managed to fuck all sort of girls with such a diverse back ground and I do most dirty staff to them and one day they may marry some nice guy after me polluting her LOL.
I used to go to outside Jacuzzi in Artemis or outside bed in Artemis to lay there at night looking at stars thinking about such thing like I did this, I am living it after my crazy dirty sessions.
Mongering is so philosophical that I can never get enough, got to touch many beautiful girls from different back ground, this is deep and dope that was not possible just few decades back in such magnitude and numbers.
Even one day when I am old, and I cannot get it up, I will still go to FKK and make the girl massage me with their tongue LOL make them lick me up LOL.
German FKK enable us to legally sexually play with young beauties, unlike Weinsetein, we get away LOL.
I'm currently going through a thing for beurettes- ever since my visit to Morocco last year -- and sadly France is now not a good place for P4 P mongering so I am wondering if in Germany any FKK clubs have Moroccan or Algerian or Tunisian girls or girls who are German but whose parents came from North Africa?At Kaskade massage studio, there is Lara, who is from Tunisia. She has lived in Germany for several years, and speaks German well, but also, of course, French and Arabic. (I don't know any Arabic but have spoken French with her, though we usually speak German. She probably speaks at least some English as well.) She isn't that dark, and not everyone would guess that she is from north Africa.
While I prefer women with huge tits (Lara has be or perhaps even A), she has a nice arse, is a very nice person, and provides some of the best massage I have ever had. I don't go to massage places for sex, but I doubt she offers it. She is very, very horny. DATY is no problem (at least for me), and she lets me rim her. No fingers in any hole, though. She really likes to come and does so often and violently.
Knight Mid
10-22-17, 20:14
Mongering is very philosophical to me actually.
I mean I fly into Germany to have dirty hentai sex with multiple girls from different back grounds, both by country, life and culture meaning, some young girls I fuck are from roma decent, some are blonde German or Czech or Polish, some are half exotic race and half German second generation immigrant beauties, some are university students doing it for while, some are pro, some are just young girl who do it sometimes to buy bags they want or make the end meet with their life whether to support herself to pay rent, mortgage or car or whatever.
I mean come on, how else will I living in other side of world here managed to fuck all sort of girls with such a diverse back ground and I do most dirty staff to them and one day they may marry some nice guy after me polluting her LOL.
I used to go to outside Jacuzzi in Artemis or outside bed in Artemis to lay there at night looking at stars thinking about such thing like I did this, I am living it after my crazy dirty sessions.
Mongering is so philosophical that I can never get enough, got to touch many beautiful girls from different back ground, this is deep and dope that was not possible just few decades back in such magnitude and numbers.
Even one day when I am old, and I cannot get it up, I will still go to FKK and make the girl massage me with their tongue LOL make them lick me up LOL.
German FKK enable us to legally sexually play with young beauties, unlike Weinsetein, we get away LOL.I basically lost my ability to have sex and got some of the ability back. I'm still going. I said the same thing. I used to be able to have sex with any woman alive standing up. It got to the point I could only do it with a woman on the edge of a bed and basically crying inside the entire time. A penis is basically a balloon that can stop working. I enjoy it perhaps 25 percent as much as the average person but I am still doing it. You might turn to prostitutes even more when your penis stops working. I read that there is a typical age range for mongers so maybe I am wrong. I wish I didn't need philosophy. You are right about it being philosophical. It is a rejection of the status quo for me and always has been. It is rewriting the narrative.
A penis is basically a balloon that can stop working. I enjoy it perhaps 25 percent as much as the average person but I am still doing it. You might turn to prostitutes even more when your penis stops working. I read that there is a typical age range for mongers so maybe I am wrong. I wish I didn't need philosophy.Yes, the typical age range is 14-94. I just talked to a professional footballer now and he hadn't had sex for 3 months. Suffice to say, he has been out of our national for about as long (or a bit longer). So yes, sex is good for you.
I basically lost my ability to have sex and got some of the ability back. I'm still going. I said the same thing. I used to be able to have sex with any woman alive standing up. It got to the point I could only do it with a woman on the edge of a bed and basically crying inside the entire time. A penis is basically a balloon that can stop working. I enjoy it perhaps 25 percent as much as the average person but I am still doing it. You might turn to prostitutes even more when your penis stops working. I read that there is a typical age range for mongers so maybe I am wrong. I wish I didn't need philosophy. You are right about it being philosophical. It is a rejection of the status quo for me and always has been. It is rewriting the narrative.I went through the phase of my penis not working fully due to over fucking and masturbation, I guess I played with my penis too much, but now I am fixed and back to my 20's kinda things.
It was good experience because now I care more about how I should take care of my penis health, so I can be monger full time long as I can during my life.
However, I have to say, my hurdle for looks has been getting higher and higher and as years goes by, it get harder for me to find what I call stunners, though like Mr cane told me once, for every tute that goes out, new one comes in, so I always manage to find one stunner or two.
I personally do not see difference between normal beautiful girl and beautiful stunner level prostitute who perform good. To be honest, I prefer the beautiful stunner level prostitute more.
I am in my late 30's and I am way too practical and rational to bother to spend money and time for normal beautiful girls.
I much prefer getting my asshole licked by 20 years old beautiful stunner level tutes several times per year and I can even change upon my request.
What a wonderful world we mongers lives in.
PussyLiccker
10-23-17, 15:29
MrHo, I didn't expect after referring mongering as philosophical to dirty hentai sex. LOL.
I was so moved when you said looking at the stars and thinking about the dirty stuff done.
Maybe you mean a way of like, the way of Zen, bushido, or something, but in another context of mongerdom.
Anything philosophical, what you say fits an Epicurist.
I basically lost my ability to have sex and got some of the ability backThanks for your posting; its educational for all.
Was this the result of just aging (your age? Illness (diabetes, infection, etc) or lifestyle (drinking, smoking, drugs) or heart attack or just spontaneous.
I am temporarily not happy with LU quality at Globe / Zurich; but after reflection may up my pussy consumption as I feel time is running out (I'm 49).
I had an existential realization that ANY penny not spent on mongering pussy in retrospect will be viewed as wasted.
I can't bring myself to sped $1000's on old hobbies of vintage cars, watches, art when a dripping, tight, 20's pussy is readily available via mongering.
Considering budgeting $10-15,000 per / yr. Total, for quarterly mongering with 25-35 pussies fucked, as long as alive.
Kavemen: priorities! I hear you and have reached the same conclusion. Although I feel bimonthly trips are better with 15-20 sessions. But depends on how far down you can get the flight cost of course. Also, why go globe? Better to go Wellcum (with maybe a day at marina) as the lineups there beats globe, or just club-hopping in Germany, whizzing around with rental a car as that's where the most girls are? I would assume the money saved from not going globe would be better spent on more frequent flight tickets so you could reduce the duration also? Those 30+ session trips are so taxing.
MrHo, I didn't expect after referring mongering as philosophical to dirty hentai sex. LOL.
I was so moved when you said looking at the stars and thinking about the dirty stuff done.
Maybe you mean a way of like, the way of Zen, bushido, or something, but in another context of mongerdom.
Anything philosophical, what you say fits an Epicurist.Well I think and if one dig deep, I consider Hentai people as philosophical and being hentai is philosophy because it is very particular thing that they crave for and somehow they tend to find some meaning in that particular thing.
Hentai is philosopher of a kind, it is just not accepted in society because it is consider dirty.
We mongers are hentai to society by the way whether we like to admit it or not LOL.
I am hidden hentai nobody knows LOL Only Hentai in Germany LOL.
Member #4581
10-24-17, 02:35
I had an existential realization that ANY penny not spent on mongering pussy in retrospect will be viewed as wasted.
.Pretty profound statement. LOL. If you are unencumbered, you are probably quite right. And when you are 75 and look back, this aspect of your life is likely to give you far more satisfaction than the other things you listed. When I extrapolate the rate at which my own stamina and output have declined in the few years I have been visiting the clubs, I can imagine that in a decade from now I would be lucky to make a single goal per day! What good does it do to have some expensive toys at that age?!
At least I am not yet jaded, thank goodness. Every single time I fly out to Germany, I am thrilled and agitated for at least a week prior to the flight.
Thanks for your posting; its educational for all.
Was this the result of just aging (your age? Illness (diabetes, infection, etc) or lifestyle (drinking, smoking, drugs) or heart attack or just spontaneous.
I am temporarily not happy with LU quality at Globe / Zurich; but after reflection may up my pussy consumption as I feel time is running out (I'm 49).
I had an existential realization that ANY penny not spent on mongering pussy in retrospect will be viewed as wasted.
I can't bring myself to sped $1000's on old hobbies of vintage cars, watches, art when a dripping, tight, 20's pussy is readily available via mongering.
Considering budgeting $10-15,000 per / yr. Total, for quarterly mongering with 25-35 pussies fucked, as long as alive.When you get older the experience changes--both physical and mental. It is hard to imagine a 20 year seeing you as attractive when you are sixty. So does your taste in women and what the experience is like. But you can have fun at any age.
Sebastiane
10-24-17, 15:22
Some pretty heavy shit being discussed! When I was in my 20's I never though old people had sex! LOL. Now I'm older myself (mid 40's) I realise that actually you don't ever lose your desire for sex but the problem for mongers is we have had so much good, beautiful pussy, that the average woman just doesn't excite us. That's both a blessing and a curse. It is like constant stimulation at FKK levels of mongering means 'vanilla' sex can't really excite you anymore when you are used to swiping tight 20 year old model-like Romanian beauties who will do everything you ask them (and from other countries too! I keep a spreadsheet and I think I'm well into the 20's or 30's for different *nationalities* fucked). I also wonder if too much sex can actually be the cause of physical problems? I sometimes think a period of abstinence from all sexual activity including porn and masturbation and, of course, FKKs and women in general, for a couple of months might do me good but I don't have the willpower to go more than a week at most!
Anyway Mr Ho is right it is a pretty amazing life we live. The only down side is that apart from my very closest friends I cannot talk to people about it because of society being judgmental- although thankfully Europe where I live is less so than other parts! That's why ISG has become an important part of my life! When I'm dying I'm sure the memories of the girls in FKKs will provide nice memories. Interesting to think which one's I'll remember and which ones I'll forget. When the number of girls is in the 100's (thousands for some people on here though -- I'm still a beginner! Which girls stand out?
Do any of you have one particular memory or favourite girl that sticks out from all the rest? It's almost impossible I know! Although I suppose we'll never forget our first FKK girl. Which gives me an idea!
Kaveman. You have at least two plus decades left to visit clubs. As Akibono says, fun at any age. Girls can flatter and work their magic for ever. As Jnpr says the fun can last. I have been at FKKs for fifteen years and still have fun, maybe I have slowed down but I can still enjoy six rooms a day, even if I don't finish every time
Sebastiane
10-24-17, 15:41
So I was thinking back to memory lane (actually inspired by some fine writing on a German language forum about FKKs) and I thought it would be nice to discuss our first ever FKK girl experience. Which girl was it, at which FKK, how long ago, and, if possible, a link to the FKK report on ISG.
I'll never forget my first FKK experience. It was in Palace in late 2006 or early 2007 (the latter I think) and the first girl I ever sessioned with was Saskia from Koeln. I'll never forget that face. How it looked then. As long as I live. I'm sure I wrote a report about it on here. I shall probably go back and revisit my earlier memorable sessions at some point (thanks to that German forum writer!) but for now here is the excerpt from the Report:
So I had a bit of pasta and then saw the most drop-dead gorgeous girl I'd yet seen. Tall, athletic, blonde with perfectly chiselled features and a great body, sitting on the table opposite all alone. I got a hard-on just seeing her and decided she was the one I'd start with. Well she was really beautiful and spoke excellent English too. Her name is Saskia and she said she was from Cologne and a German. We began to kiss and talk intermittently until a room became free. She wouldn't let me French kiss her though but she was so pretty I didn't mind. A room became available soon and we went to it. She said she loved blowjobs and she bent down and took me in her mouth-BBBJ. She really was good and I was afraid I'd come just from the BBBJ but I controlled myself. We then did some 69 and I also licked her arsehole which was really clean. She sucked on my balls whilst we also had intermittent conversation. Eventually she squatted over me and rode me for a while as I sucked her gorgeous breasts. Then she asked me to fuck her doggy style and I happily obliged! It was in that position that I came. We then cuddled and kissed on the bed for a while afterward until she said the 30 mins were up. I paid her 50 euros and she kissed me again.So it was the 24th of March 2007! Reading it now I was so innocent back then. And 50 euros for such a session. Was a golden age wasn't it?
Well I sessioned with her many times after that. One big regret is not going with her more in hindsight-but we don't know the future. I last sessioned with her back in 2015 I think. But by then her looks were a pale shadow of what they had been. Still, I'd love to see her again just for memories' sake and she always was a great session and a better person.
So who was your first time?
club-hopping in Germany, whizzing around with rental a car as that's where the most girls are? I would assume the money saved from not going globeI could never get the math to work.
I'm coming from Los Angeles; a non-stop flight to Frankfurt ranges from $1250-1500; adding a hotel of $150/ nt and rental car of $400/ wk it starts to get close to Globe where non-stop flights are $900-1100 (even freak fares of $550-750) and hotels (same cost) are next door to clubs.
Also, as an in-frequent, long-haul traveller, the risk of of bad LUs can be disasters as sunk cost of $3000+ trip can be high.
I don't doubt German FKKs LU have stunners; however when you read negative reports, non-GFE for EU 60 at 30 minutes, then the risk of rolling dice gets higher v. Globe where service is high-level / GFE.
Austria, on the other-hand I am hearing stellar reports about. Must try Wellcum.
Sebastiane
10-25-17, 01:52
I could never get the math to work.
Austria, on the other-hand I am hearing stellar reports about. Must try Wellcum.I would still say give German FKKs a go as often it is girls from FKK here who go and work at globe and vice-versa. I have to admit Wellcum looks amazing! But are there any reports from it on ISG about girls and sessions?
Member #4581
10-25-17, 03:46
Kaveman — not sure why LAX FRA is nearly $400 more than to ZRH, especially if you plan ahead. As for the rest of the items, staying close to the clubs you can get by on far less. If you do your due diligence, you can experience plenty of good looking good service providers in Hessen clubs, and *if you pay Globe prices in Hessen* you will probably get GFE from every girl. Not that I am recommending it.
SYB2006 - good work, 10 years of FKKing! You are a lucky man. And a nice report from your first session, thanks. My first FKK girl was meh, but I fucked this skinny Romanian girl with a fantastic body (and cleopatra-like haircut) called Isabella on my first day in Oase Kino — my first ever public sex debauchery, and I will take that memory to my grave, LOL.
Well if you have to spend 150 e a night on a hotel in Germany then money shouldn't be an issue at all. Getting an OK room for half that price is very much doable. Hotels are deffinately cheaper in Germany than Switzerland.
Anyway Mr Ho is right it is a pretty amazing life we live. The only down side is that apart from my very closest friends I cannot talk to people about it because of society being judgmental- although thankfully Europe where I live is less so than other parts! That's why ISG has become an important part of my life! When I'm dying I'm sure the memories of the girls in FKKs will provide nice memories. Interesting to think which one's I'll remember and which ones I'll forget. When the number of girls is in the 100's (thousands for some people on here though -- I'm still a beginner! Which girls stand out?
Do any of you have one particular memory or favourite girl that sticks out from all the rest? It's almost impossible I know! Although I suppose we'll never forget our first FKK girl. Which gives me an idea!We also have to appreciate the fact that BBBJ part of our mongering in such international scale in German FKK, we get out dick sucked by many beauties from many ethnicity back ground and wow this is something we should and in part we should have appreciated, it used to be only for 50 euro or 60 euro too.
Now this BBBJ become bit controversial as some provide still for standard price, some ask for more for BBBJ and I feel we should appreciate and enjoy BBBJ part as it might be harder to get as time goes on, we will always going to get BBBJ, but with annoying negotiation in future I think.
Let us hope our mongering life will continue in many places as possible so we got choices of places to go for our mongering trip, Germany by far is my favorite place for mongering and I hope it won't go more conservative than this. I mean I remember the day when I first heard about this BBBJ law. My face went blue and I got alarmed.
Meanwhile, what a great life we live and it is amazing way of life if we get away with it and we do legally, thanks to german liberal system LOL.
We get 20 years old girls from many skin color willing to please us, all we have to do is pay reasonable amount, isn't this great thing?
I could never get the math to work.
I'm coming from Los Angeles; a non-stop flight to Frankfurt ranges from $1250-1500; adding a hotel of $150/ nt and rental car of $400/ wk it starts to get close to Globe where non-stop flights are $900-1100 (even freak fares of $550-750) and hotels (same cost) are next door to clubs.
Also, as an in-frequent, long-haul traveller, the risk of of bad LUs can be disasters as sunk cost of $3000+ trip can be high.
I don't doubt German FKKs LU have stunners; however when you read negative reports, non-GFE for EU 60 at 30 minutes, then the risk of rolling dice gets higher v. Globe where service is high-level / GFE.
Austria, on the other-hand I am hearing stellar reports about. Must try Wellcum.So how many rooms do you have per trip? 30? So what if you waste five 30 min rooms? Its only 250 e total since you can allways cut them short. That's comparable to 2 Globe rooms. But then you also get 25 good to fantastic rooms too. And if one club has a bad lineup in Germany, there is allways 15 other decent to great clubs within a 2 HR drive. So you can do 2 clubs in a day if you are not happy with the first. And still entry won't be more than at globe. But in my own experience, such bad lineups where I can't even find 2-3 doable girls is very rare. Only happened twice to me this year, and one of them probably doesn't even count (Aca Gold). When it comes to Austria, well I guess the upselling / service is great at some clubs. Wellcum was great. GT Vienna however was worse than any German FKK I've been to regarding upselling. So I am guessing you get the whole range of clubs from good to bad in Austria too.
Knight Mid
10-25-17, 14:31
Thanks for your posting; its educational for all.
Was this the result of just aging (your age? Illness (diabetes, infection, etc) or lifestyle (drinking, smoking, drugs) or heart attack or just spontaneous.
I am temporarily not happy with LU quality at Globe / Zurich; but after reflection may up my pussy consumption as I feel time is running out (I'm 49).
I had an existential realization that ANY penny not spent on mongering pussy in retrospect will be viewed as wasted.
I can't bring myself to sped $1000's on old hobbies of vintage cars, watches, art when a dripping, tight, 20's pussy is readily available via mongering.
Considering budgeting $10-15,000 per / yr. Total, for quarterly mongering with 25-35 pussies fucked, as long as alive.Unfortunately, I got something called peyronies disease in my late thirties. I have good health otherwise. It could come from overuse I guess. I first masturbated as I toddler so I never really understood how people start masturbating in there teens. If the Germans have peyronies figured out someone please let me know. Thanks for appreciating my post.
My first FKK girl was the famous Thai girl Bee at Palace. It was February 2011. Bee had been on my "to do" list, but with a question mark. All the many reports on her had noted her longevity at the club and her high level of service. Nothing had been written about her appearance except that she was tall for an asian. So I wondered if she would be pretty enough for me.
I was exploring the club within an hour or so of arriving in paradise, when I saw a tall asian girl walking toward me. She was startlingly pretty, and I hoped she would be Bee. She was. No interview necessary. We had a great hour together. I mainly remember her incredible eye contact. After we met, her eyes never left mine except maybe a bit during doggy.
Later I approached her again for a repeat, but she said she was booked the rest of the night. The next evening I saw her just for a moment, but she was booked up again.
Two lessons learned from this session. 1. Do your homework on ISG to increase your chances of finding a star girl. 2. While studying a candidate and making choices with deliberation are sound principles, you must grab some girls immediately or they may escape forever.
What heaven that first FKK day that was.
I've seen you state a couple of times that us mongers are "getting away with it" while Weinstein did not. I disagree with that characterization of things, at least with respect to how I monger. That kind of thinking is akin to making what we do the same thing as what Weinstein did. It is not. I stick to places where prostitution is legal, and every last single thing that goes down is between consenting adults. This is nothing like what Weinstein is accused of doing.
I understand that even if legal and between consenting adults, there are many people who would classify hiring prostitutes as "sexually abusing" women nevertheless. To them, grown women are always victims and don't have the ability to decide how to live their own lives. Well in my view, these people are dead wrong, and I don't see myself as "getting away" with anything in this respect.
What Weinstein did was illegal and non-consensual. And that does not match up to what we the typical mongers do. He needed to try to "get away" with something. We do not. This is how I see it. If you believe otherwise, then you my friend are giving in to the enemy who say we are abusing women. Again, I disagree with that conclusion.
To continue indulgently the "first" theme. Was at Atlantis in 2001 (or 2002). I went in the front porch and nearly fainted at the sight of naked girls whizzing back and forwards to the moneylockers. I had never seen naked girls walking around before. I genuinely thought that it was my idea of Heaven. I then opened the heavy red velvet curtains into the main room and saw in the crowded gloom at least forty slim girls I could go with. It was not a question of finding someone acceptable but of thinking how the hell do I choose". Some of the rejects from this visit were still on my favourites list years later. Many nationalities, all well made up, all lively. After a quick circuit or two within inches of breasts, tongues, enquiring hands and beautiful eyes I paused at a silicon blonde barby russian: the session must have been good because the same night I did a double with her and another russian, slim and brunette. The second russian later came up to me and started kissing and stroking so I went for a second session with her. I thought it meant she liked me (Then I did a session with a German girl on the public bed. The only problem was that the public bed was in almost constant use. All the sessions involved DFK and DATY, and all ran to the correct 30 minutes. I had to leave a my time window was closing. That first visit was one of the best decisions I have ever made.Each of these girls still has a place in my 💓 for the top level service and kindness they gave to a confused naive beginner
That was a good way to start. A dirty pornstar Barbie, a two girl session. A romantic Russian, and a fun German in public.
16 years FKK. Every year different and every one a gem
Like others here, my first FKK experience was at Palace in Frankfurt. I actually don't remember the first girl. But, I do remember the first FKK girl who really, really turned me on. And that would be blue-eyed, blonde, Czech Gina. Before her surgeries and enhancements that were to come later. When she was still learning her trade, and didn't even do anal at that time. Ah yes a young Gina! My very first FKK favorite!
My first sex at all was with a prostitute. Actually, I had had sex about a dozen times or more with prostitutes before I had my first girlfriend. Would have been more if I had more money. This was back before AIDS, so one could get AO for just a little extra. Later I switched to BBBJCIM and then vaginal sex with condom, but two orgasms in the standard 30-minute RLD session.
Since that first girlfriend, I've essentially always had one, but prostitution was always there on the side, maybe a couple of times per year.
My first visit to a club was Dietzenbach, back in 2001. I don't remember the name of the first girl, but it was rather rushed and while I liked the atmosphere of the place, I was a bit disappointed at this session. The second was Tina from Indonesia, who I had several times again in later years. It turned out that that first session was atypical and later most of my sessions in Dietzenbach were good. The third session was very good. I was particularly delighted that the girl didn't shave. I remember the times when practically no women shaved; now, like piercings, tattoos, SUVs, etc, it has become an annoying trend. (I don't mind a shaved pussy, since there can be sexual reasons for this, but shaving armpits and legs is just daft.) Fortunately, in Germany women still have the freedom not to shave and I know several who don't. None of my girlfriends has shaved (except one who shaved her pussy).
A bit later, I had a couple of good visits to a small Partytreff-type place, Carmen's party near Limburg. I believe I found out about it from ISG. ISG also led me to Dorsten, and I was there in the glory days, with my record 13 orgasms during one visit. I then visited several partytreff clubs, but also Dietzenbach. Mettmann was probably the best I've ever had. A real shame that it has gone.
Around 2007 I discovered erotic massage. It is different, but most of my mongering is there nowadays, where I really do go mainly for the massage component, though I appreciate the erotic component as well. Fortunately I am married to a much younger woman with the (for me) ideal figure who does all I want in bed, so mongering is purely for variety, not for basic needs. .
From time to time I've been to swinger clubs, but never as part of a couple, and hence only to those who allowed single men. It can be hit and miss, of course, but most visits have been worth it.
Palace 2005. The place just blew my mind, balls and wallet. Russian girl with eggy breath, who let me finger her arse really deep. I made several trips to Palace in 2005 but discovered Partytreffs in 2006 thanks to Jackyo and Breadman, and partytreffs were so much easier on the wallet. I still did a fair few FKKs over the years.
Well where has that 15 years gone?
Ive been mongering 30 years now (started in my teens), and have enjoyed most of it thoroughly. Ive never had a bad trip to Germany, and made nearly 100 trips at this stage from 2005.
I think Ive had 2000 hoors in my life.
I've seen you state a couple of times that us mongers are "getting away with it" while Weinstein did not. I disagree with that characterization of things, at least with respect to how I monger. That kind of thinking is akin to making what we do the same thing as what Weinstein did. It is not. I stick to places where prostitution is legal, and every last single thing that goes down is between consenting adults. This is nothing like what Weinstein is accused of doing.
I understand that even if legal and between consenting adults, there are many people who would classify hiring prostitutes as "sexually abusing" women nevertheless. To them, grown women are always victims and don't have the ability to decide how to live their own lives. Well in my view, these people are dead wrong, and I don't see myself as "getting away" with anything in this respect.
What Weinstein did was illegal and non-consensual. And that does not match up to what we the typical mongers do. He needed to try to "get away" with something. We do not. This is how I see it. If you believe otherwise, then you my friend are giving in to the enemy who say we are abusing women. Again, I disagree with that conclusion.I agree in most part and what we do is consensual yes, but we as in us and Weinstein both seek for same event, but us we pay to do it in legal area and he does it randomly using his position and power over women.
In FKK, we have power over women to certain extent using our money and it is trade, we want sexual experience, they want the money, so yes it is consensual.
But I also notice that for society view point, what we do is not same, but similar direction. It is funny how society view sex as so negative and sex is the reason why we are all born.
All in all, if one can control himself, it is best to just have sex with tutes in right locations like Germany, Zurich, Austria, Brazil etc than going for normal girls and get into crazy things like Weinstein did, we get the same result from beauties as he wanted to and we do not get accused legally at least like he did.
Though I do not recommend myself to tell society about my hobby as I know that they only view me as same as Weinstein or at least they will not see much difference LOL So I let them think I love German history so I travel often to Germany LOL and I be sure to take many selfies I can use for my instagram and facebook account in museums in Germany that I sometimes visit, so I can re-use those museum photos LOL.
Unfortunately, I got something called peyronies disease Look into a major USA Research hospital's Urology Department; there should have state of the art treatment and therapies available.
-Mayo Clinic.
-Massachusetts General.
-Cleveland Clinic.
-Johns Hopkins University Hospital.
-New York Hospital (Columbia / Cornell).
-UCLA Reagan.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/peyronies-disease/care-at-mayo-clinic/mac-20353476
http://columbiaurology.org/adult-urology/sexual-function-and-infertility/peyronies-disease
http://www.massgeneral.org/conditions/condition.aspx?id=366
https://www.health-tourism.com/peyronies-disease-surgery/germany/
In FKK, we have power over women to certain extent using our money and it is trade, we want sexual experience, they want the money, so yes it is consensual.Women aren't powerless! It's like Richard Pryor said. They have half the money and all the pussy!
BadinSweet
10-26-17, 18:23
I still remember my first full day at Palace back in March, 2011. I was in the club for 10 hours, and went with 6 different girls (Kiara GER, Emmanuela Yugoslavia, Martha COL, Gina CZE, Daniella MOL, Jenny GER). Til this date, I still have not been able to reproduce the same performance in such a short period. 6 girls in 10 hours, all popped.
Women aren't powerless! It's like Richard Pryor said. They have half the money and all the pussy!Right LOL, but many men fail to notice that and pay the price with their life. We pay 50 euro per 30 minutes with some up sell for BBBJ and DFK LOL.
I agree in most part and what we do is consensual yes, but we as in us and Weinstein both seek for same event, but us we pay to do it in legal area and he does it randomly using his position and power over women.
In FKK, we have power over women to certain extent using our money and it is trade, we want sexual experience, they want the money, so yes it is consensual.
But I also notice that for society view point, what we do is not same, but similar direction. It is funny how society view sex as so negative and sex is the reason why we are all born.
All in all, if one can control himself, it is best to just have sex with tutes in right locations like Germany, Zurich, Austria, Brazil etc than going for normal girls and get into crazy things like Weinstein did, we get the same result from beauties as he wanted to and we do not get accused legally at least like he did.
Though I do not recommend myself to tell society about my hobby as I know that they only view me as same as Weinstein or at least they will not see much difference LOL So I let them think I love German history so I travel often to Germany LOL and I be sure to take many selfies I can use for my instagram and facebook account in museums in Germany that I sometimes visit, so I can re-use those museum photos LOL.There is a huge difference between sex with a WG and one that does not do it for a living. For one thing, you can't get what you want no matter how much you pay.
Citizen Kane
10-27-17, 17:18
There is a huge difference between sex with a WG and one that does not do it for a living. For one thing, you can't get what you want no matter how much you pay.This is why I've all but given up on civilians. Even when I do score, the sex is so vanilla it's not worth the effort or indirect financial expenditure.
This is why I've all but given up on civilians. Even when I do score, the sex is so vanilla it's not worth the effort or indirect financial expenditure.Only plus point is no condom part, but that can result in million dollar payment after with her lawyers accusing you LOL.
You like Vegas, then normal girl is your thing, if you like secure score, go for FKK LOL.
There is a huge difference between sex with a WG and one that does not do it for a living. For one thing, you can't get what you want no matter how much you pay.Well it is matter of how much Hermes bags, cars, houses, and other financial security you can and willing to offer her with many sweet words put in together.
I do the math and I like changing girls as I wish in FKK and escort LOL.
Mongers are rational beings ain't it LOL.
When I realize that the prostitution market began providing stunners level girls to monger who dig, my world view began to change and decided to concentrate on mongering mostly.
With all the laws and restrictions, the prostitute suppliers managed to provide us stunner level girls with mild digging at reasonable cost, this was life changer for me.
Well it is matter of how much Hermes bags, cars, houses, and other financial security you can and willing to offer her with many sweet words put in together.
I do the math and I like changing girls as I wish in FKK and escort LOL.
Mongers are rational beings ain't it LOL.Too rational. When I find the very occasional worker who connects with me, I am reminded of the difference between a woman that finds joy in pleasing me from the one that wants me to come quickly. Hard to put a price on that. Some find a good deal at the buffet, but forget what a fine meal is like.
Vito Corleone
10-29-17, 12:38
Pussy is never free! We are all paying at the end. Ask any married guy how free all that non sex he's getting at home. It's cheaper to pay these hot babes after the hour is up!
Too rational. When I find the very occasional worker who connects with me, I am reminded of the difference between a woman that finds joy in pleasing me from the one that wants me to come quickly. Hard to put a price on that. Some find a good deal at the buffet, but forget what a fine meal is like.The best sex I ever had was in my private life during my university days, but I have to say, some FKK girls provided me sex that are as good or even better to some extent as I do not care how I appear front of FKK girls.
Knight Mid
10-29-17, 22:34
Look into a major USA Research hospital's Urology Department; there should have state of the art treatment and therapies available.
-Mayo Clinic.
-Massachusetts General.
-Cleveland Clinic.
-Johns Hopkins University Hospital.
-New York Hospital (Columbia / Cornell).
-UCLA Reagan.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/peyronies-disease/care-at-mayo-clinic/mac-20353476
http://columbiaurology.org/adult-urology/sexual-function-and-infertility/peyronies-disease
http://www.massgeneral.org/conditions/condition.aspx?id=366
https://www.health-tourism.com/peyronies-disease-surgery/germany/Thanks, I know that took some work. I'm many years into it so it is late to do anything. If it got worse I'd just live with it. It is still an interesting topic for me. I think it kinda messes up the reward system. There is a cycle of getting excited and then getting a reward. I imagine I have been more unlucky than most but there still a reward.
Pussy is never free! We are all paying at the end. Ask any married guy how free all that non sex he's getting at home. It's cheaper to pay these hot babes after the hour is up!And for us, we get to fly half the way around this planet and move around all over Germany for it too LOL!
Mongering life is good life, super easy and super stable comparison to most marriages or relationships.
Too rational. When I find the very occasional worker who connects with me, I am reminded of the difference between a woman that finds joy in pleasing me from the one that wants me to come quickly. Hard to put a price on that. Some find a good deal at the buffet, but forget what a fine meal is like.FKK is basically a massage parlor with girls tongue, some provide more willingly, some do not, it is like a box of chocolate, you never know what inside till you enter the zimmer LOL.
I was put into situation where I had to pay 390 USD for teppanyaki kobe beef dinner tonight with a friend of mine who is a girl. She paid for my dinner night before that was 310 USD. , but it is just a friend who is a girl and rich. So since it is friend no sex.
I swear. I am now feeling like a husband who do not get laid from wife, I mean I did not try and never will, but I feel like how did I put my self into this situation. She paid last night, but I paid tonight, it is fair, but I hate putting my self into normal situation like this since I met my German FKK mongering LOL.
Husbands must feel so bad like this now and then and I feel like that right now.
I mean it is almost 400 USD. In German FKK, it is good one full day LOL.
I am going to see her again tomorrow, and also this weekend. I mean it sucks to have friend who is a girl and rich. I mean how did I get mixed up into this situation. I am sure for her it is normal and she does not even appreciate it for sure.
Member #4581
10-31-17, 00:05
I hear the reason Japanese population is shrinking is because many of their young men and women are spending their money on fancy electronics or expensive bags and jewelry instead of making babies. Perhaps they ought to include horrendously priced dinners in the list of the culprits. Sometimes I look at this Wagyu and wonder if it is beef or foie gras. I want the flavor to last, damn it. Give me flat iron or bavette or even neck any day. And who needs Yonezawa when you can have Black Angus or Blue Ribbon.
I hear the reason Japanese population is shrinking is because many of their young men and women are spending their money on fancy electronics or expensive bags and jewelry instead of making babies. Perhaps they ought to include horrendously priced dinners in the list of the culprits. Sometimes I look at this Wagyu and wonder if it is beef or foie gras. I want the flavor to last, damn it. Give me flat iron or bavette or even neck any day. And who needs Yonezawa when you can have Black Angus or Blue Ribbon.I stick to my meat in German FKK, some of these meat you get from German FKK are better than wagyu beef.
But seriously guys, normal girls are so expensive, I could have full day at German FKK for 400 USD LOL man, I feel bad and ashamed.
Well one thing is definitely true about east Asians as a whole though. They spend a lot more of their income as a whole on tutes than non east Asians, and they are about to ruin some markets due to the excessive overspending (Macau for example). And it probably hurts the fertility rate across the whole of Asia-pacific that so many men use tutes instead of forming families and spend their money on kids. It is after all the main reason for not allowing prostitution completely in many of the countries in the region. We all know that many of the top east Asian politicians are pro eugenics, and so 'wasting' some of the hottest females of their own population as prostitutes without boyfriends are seen as bad, while it makes the men less compiled to fight among themselves over the most beautiful women. Religion is not a factor at all in this part of the world, so the western ethical bias against prostitution is almost non existent, even if the west tries to export many of our sometimes strange values these days.
Well one thing is definitely true about east Asians as a whole though. They spend a lot more of their income as a whole on tutes than non east Asians, and they are about to ruin some markets due to the excessive overspending (Macau for example). And it probably hurts the fertility rate across the whole of Asia-pacific that so many men use tutes instead of forming families and spend their money on kids. It is after all the main reason for not allowing prostitution completely in many of the countries in the region. We all know that many of the top east Asian politicians are pro eugenics, and so 'wasting' some of the hottest females of their own population as prostitutes without boyfriends are seen as bad, while it makes the men less compiled to fight among themselves over the most beautiful women. Religion is not a factor at all in this part of the world, so the western ethical bias against prostitution is almost non existent, even if the west tries to export many of our sometimes strange values these days.Well in my case, I am too practical, it make so much sense for me to spend money on beautiful tutes.
Vito Corleone
11-01-17, 21:22
I stick to my meat in German FKK, some of these meat you get from German FKK are better than wagyu beef.
But seriously guys, normal girls are so expensive, I could have full day at German FKK for 400 USD LOL man, I feel bad and ashamed.That's a lot of vaginal action wasted on a friendly date!
That's a lot of vaginal action wasted on a friendly date!I fucked up homie LOL.
John Traveller
11-02-17, 22:43
John Traveller. I wouldn't be quite as pessimistic as XXL, but it will be very quiet, maybe lineups down to 25% or less (rough guess) but that will still leave enough girls for a new visitor. If you have a car you can club hop till you find some girls you like.Is the easter holiday any better? At least the easter in Germany is at another time than in Romania.
BigBuddy69
11-04-17, 05:27
Is the easter holiday any better? At least the easter in Germany is at another time than in Romania.I've never tried the Christmas period put the easter holiday is not that bad.
Citizen Kane
11-04-17, 08:47
Is the easter holiday any better? At least the easter in Germany is at another time than in Romania.I'd be careful. There's only a week between the two Easters next year whereas sometimes they're up to 4 weeks apart. Easter in Romania is bigger than Christmas so the LU is likely to be somewhat depleted. Regardless of Christmas / Easter, usually when girls go home they do so for at least several weeks rather than just the weekend.
Big German holidays in general are also best avoided because local guys may well be away with their families. Girls know this so will often disappear around this time too.
There will still be girls there but the probability is that it won't be the strongest LU the clubs have to offer.
Rogue Nation
11-04-17, 09:49
The effect of vacations and holidays on line ups has diminished over the last years. My pov.
The effect of vacations and holidays on line ups has diminished over the last years. My pov.Sure? How about early or mid January? I am really undecided at the moment.
Yet another cautionary tale.
One girl asked to meet me on her day off, no money mentioned. I have known her for a short time but she has been really sweet to me.
So I waited for her call as arranged. As expected it did not come, but I eventually got a message saying she had gone to hospital unwell. No problem I thought, maybe true more likely false. I was about to write the day off, but she asked me to wait until she had left hospital (or, I add, wherever she was). I said okay.
Mid afternoon, more messages, saying her phone battery was low (ah, I thought the preparatory lie for not staying in contact later) and she would come to my address. Surprise, and hurried tidying on my part. One hour later only thin air had arrived. When I tried to call her the phone was unavailable same with Whatsapp: no doubt the flat battery will be the excuse.
So I wasted seven hours waiting.
I know the girls have difficult lives, but this sort of behaviour is a pain in the. I guess she changed her mind but foolishly didn't have the nerve to say so. I thought the paid part of paid sex was to avoid this sort of emotional entanglement
I forgot: I had "lent" her some money and for some reason she kept saying she had to pay it back to me tomorrow. Also today was the day she was supposed to send a lot of money back to Romania for a family operation. So many stories.
Girls Holidays.
Are almost impossible to schedule around. As CK says, Orthodox Easter is way more important to the girls than Christmas. Even the ones who stay in Germany will often not want to work on the Easter Sunday.
So Christmas, Easter, Summer, we are talking about 25% of the year.
Market forces ensure that there are enough girls at any time. The problems arise if one is coming from abroad for a particular girl
Citizen Kane
11-06-17, 18:49
Sure? How about early or mid January? I am really undecided at the moment.Personally I'd try and hold off until Feb but if it has to be Jan, the later the better in my opinion.
I just don't understand why some guys can't just go and fuck these girls and leave them. I mean really? If you want a "regular" date, then stay away from a tute who's fucking God knows how many men in a week! Stay away from the pros and stick with the "civilians". Yes, what she did was wrong. But dudes, you ought to know better. For Christ's sake you do know better! So no sympathy on my part. You bring it upon yourselves every single time. Ever the "optimist"!
The problems arise if one is coming from abroad for a particular girlYeah, but that's the problem. You normally only have 1-3 favourite girls in a club. There may be another 1-5 girls you would do as reserves, but you really want those 1-3 favourites. Without wasting money on double entries to 2 clubs in one day. That only works if you have some free entry ticket, or there is very low entry price like at aca. Even the gt / lr combo adds up, so you don't really want to do it.
I just don't understand why some guys can't just go and fuck these girls and leave them. I mean really? If you want a "regular" date, then stay away from a tute who's fucking God knows how many men in a week! Stay away from the pros and stick with the "civilians". Yes, what she did was wrong. But dudes, you ought to know better. For Christ's sake you do know better! So no sympathy on my part. You bring it upon yourselves every single time. Ever the "optimist"!No way was I asking for sympathy. You must have a very low opinion of me. I just thought it might amuse / entertain / inform and so on. I get really p. d off with guys on this forum who think they have the right to judge others methods.
You don't understand why I don't just fuck and go: well that is your loss. If you can't tell the difference with fucking a hundred holes and fucking people then that is your loss.
The benefits of my approach outweigh the disadvantages for me.
Forever optimist? No, I have finally learnt to assume that there is always someone on this forum who thinks they can tell me what to do, by some right they have given themselves.
Just back off
I just don't understand why some guys can't just go and fuck these girls and leave them. I mean really? If you want a "regular" date, then stay away from a tute who's fucking God knows how many men in a week! Stay away from the pros and stick with the "civilians". Yes, what she did was wrong. But dudes, you ought to know better. For Christ's sake you do know better! So no sympathy on my part. You bring it upon yourselves every single time. Ever the "optimist"!Well this is the mind set - She treat me differently to others.
This is the game tute play, then she will begin to measure your temperature how much she can take from you with all these stories she mostly create.
However, this is same for most normal girls LOL.
So my conclusion is that normal girls and tutes has very thin line between nowadays, they are not the same, but similar LOL.
And, now I know that some guys reading thinks, my wife is different or you don't know the true love etc etc. LOL.
Funny world we live in.
All the girls we fuck in FKK for 50 euro and cum in mouth for another 50 euro etc will one day marry some low IQ naive guy who think she is an angel and she will kiss her children with her lip that used to kiss my butt hole for extra 50 euro or for free LOL!
I see these thing, some men see only illusions.
It is a choice you make.
I get really p. d off with guys on this forum who think they have the right to judge others methods.Every time every single one of us posts something in a public forum, we've acted in the court of public opinion. If we don't want to risk a reaction that we don't like, then it would be better to just keep it to ourselves. You have the right to pursue whatever methods you like. And if you tell other people about those methods in a public forum, then those people have a right to react to them and what you said, either positively or negatively. That's life.
Polyamorist
11-07-17, 12:33
One girl asked to meet me on her day off, no money mentioned. I have known her for a short time but she has been really sweet to me.
So I wasted seven hours waiting.
Salaam Optimist. A sad but common tale.
Mr Cane suggested that this is typical of ladies of easy virtue, as if you would not suffer this on the regular dating scene. Not true! I see remarkably little difference between WGs and, say, American girls I have dated in terms of flakiness and general personality attributes.
In fact it is largely due to the flakiness in the dating scene, and also the escort scene, that many of us resorted to FKKs in the first place. If you have to spend seven hours of anguish to discover that a girl doesn't actually like you, then casual dating becomes enormously expensive. A simple "no" would be much better. There are just too many destructive types who enjoy messing with guys' heads and spoiling the scene for everybody.
My theory is that women always need a place to congregate: a church, an FKK, a village, whatever. This is a proven model, this works.
Mr Cane suggested that this is typical of ladies of easy virtue, as if you would not suffer this on the regular dating scene. Not true! I see remarkably little difference between WGs and, say, American girls I have dated in terms of flakiness and general personality attributes.I didn't say that it couldn't happen in the regular dating scene, and it was not my intent to suggest that. It can and it does happen. But like so much else, it's a matter of probabilities and risk management my friend. And, I've been around and experienced enough to know that messing with a "prostitute" for regular dating and / or marriage is a total losing proposition! If that's what you want, then raise your chances of long-term success by going after a civilian. By how much, I don't know. Not enough for me to pursue that avenue given the divorce rate LOL! But still, your chances are better than trying to girlfriend or wife up a tute! That's for damn sure!
All the girls we fuck in FKK for 50 euro and cum in mouth for another 50 euro etc will one day marry some low IQ naive guy who think she is an angel and she will kiss her children with her lip that used to kiss my butt hole for extra 50 euro or for free LOL!Oh my God you're killing me Ho! You're killing me! Too funny LOLOLOL! Well yeah, I'll agree with you. The line between a tute and a civie may not be so broad. But, it's still there nevertheless. Messing with a tute is a known, no-win situation. You at least have a margin of a chance with a regular girl. This is how I see it.
Every time every single one of us posts something in a public forum, we've acted in the court of public opinion. If we don't want to risk a reaction that we don't like, then it would be better to just keep it to ourselves. You have the right to pursue whatever methods you like. And if you tell other people about those methods in a public forum, then those people have a right to react to them and what you said, either positively or negatively. That's life.I do not see this forum as a court where every poster is to have judgement passed on him.
I see it as a place for sharing, advising, and commenting (agreeing or disagreeing), as distinct from a place for passing judgement on every post.
My objection was not that you didn't agree with me (I love discussion and dissent) but that you saw fit to pass judgement.
You will see from my post subsequent to this, that I agree totally with you that this episode illustrates the downside of having a regular gfe type prostitute.Overall I do find it a win:win situation, but with significant risk of a loss.
Follow On.
For what it is worth.
The girl was back at work today and was very apologetic and explained fully what had happened. (I over heard some comments which indicated thete might have been truth in the story)
I guess my point in posting is simply, as TheCane suggests, that if one gets involved in any sense with a working girl other than the fuck and go relationship, one gets sucked into their often slightly chaotic lifestyle. This episode was a simple example of this: we are either customers or husbands/boyfriends/partners: mixing being a customer with being a friend is always potentially difficult (same in any professional/client relationship)
However it was on balance worth the stress as I have a really nice time with her normally. The stress was in a sense a portion of investment in the business relationship involving real people
Polyamorist
11-07-17, 23:49
The girl was back at work today and was very apologetic and explained fully what had happened. (I over heard some comments which indicated thete might have been truth in the story)Ya salam 3 njad! Does she DFK well? If not, my advice is: don't believe a word of it! Varium et mutabile semper femina.
Oh my God you're killing me Ho! You're killing me! Too funny LOLOLOL! Well yeah, I'll agree with you. The line between a tute and a civie may not be so broad. But, it's still there nevertheless. Messing with a tute is a known, no-win situation. You at least have a margin of a chance with a regular girl. This is how I see it.What? No win situation with tute? I think it is win win situation buddy.
Look, one day these tute will find boyfriend who is naive and ignorant and he will invest thousands on bags, shoes, rents etc or even marry her to become her husband who do not know who she really is. This is real losing situation on this poor guy due to his naiveness and low IQ.
Where as, we know who she is she is tute, we pay her 50 euro per 30 min, we sex her up and do all sort of dirty thing, and she get 50 euro per 30 min for it, this is real win win situation more to our side actually LOL.
Follow On.
For what it is worth.
The girl was back at work today and was very apologetic and explained fully what had happened. (I over heard some comments which indicated thete might have been truth in the story)
I guess my point in posting is simply, as TheCane suggests, that if one gets involved in any sense with a working girl other than the fuck and go relationship, one gets sucked into their often slightly chaotic lifestyle. This episode was a simple example of this: we are either customers or husbands/boyfriends/partners: mixing being a customer with being a friend is always potentially difficult (same in any professional/client relationship)
However it was on balance worth the stress as I have a really nice time with her normally. The stress was in a sense a portion of investment in the business relationship involving real peopleIn the world of tute and monger, many things are different to real world. Like Romanian in the world of tute is Spanish or Italian LOL.
Some mongers believe, I do not LOL.
I consider them as some kind of Italian and Spanish who tend to speak only Romanian language with limited Italian and Spanish language skill LOL.
Ya salam 3 njad! Does she DFK well? If not, my advice is: don't believe a word of it! Varium et mutabile semper femina.Yes, nice DFK, but that doesn't mean her tongue speaks the truth :D
I think I am no better. Yesterday I left the club for shopping saying I would go back. After 30 minutes I got an sms. When I returned I asked what she did it for. She said she thought maybe I would change my mind while I was out and not come back. So far as the girls see, we are as crazy and unreliable as we think they are.
... as TheCane suggests, that if one gets involved in any sense with a working girl other than the fuck and go relationship, one gets sucked into their often slightly chaotic lifestyle.Regarding girls' lifestyle I suspect the working girls population to be strongly bimodal. What you find is either:
1) Childless girls. Statistically the younger. Very chaotic lifestyle. Not seriously looking for a husband or any normal relationship with men like us.
2) Girls with at least one young child or infant. Statistically older. Fairly regulated, even boring lifestyle. Seriously looking for a husband or sponsor to provide them with a soft-landing in their life.
Member #4581
11-08-17, 15:46
Tom Byron, a porn stunt cock from the 1980's once said he fell in love with Traci Lords who was infamous for lying about her age and entering the industry when she was 15. Byron said "it was puppy love man, I could not believe this beautiful girl was fucking me so many times, falling in love was natural".
So, this guy was fucking several hundreds of girls a year, she was fucking several dozen men herself on the sets, and yet he fell in love when he knew she came into the industry mainly to support her drug habit.
The point is that when you have a beautiful girl fucking you and doing other naughty things to you in the room, it is natural to develop some feelings for some of them. I always said if they removed all the room walls and all fucking was public in the clubs, people could see that what she is doing with / to you is not at all exclusive and that she is giving such service to all other men; and will quickly disabuse you of any emotional attachments. The best solution to any of this inconvenient emotional entanglement is to find another gorgeous girl in the club and fuck her to your heart's content and then we will find we are bastards of little loyalty and can move on quickly from one girl to another.
Smoke Light
11-08-17, 17:54
Several times I took FKK girls who were "special" outside for shopping and dinner and my hotel room. Besides companionship I was thinking this gives you a break from routine FKK visits and a change of pace. The experience was OK, but eventually sitting and listening to a girl's chat at a restaurant table somewhere altstadt Duesseldorf or Koeln I caught myself thinking I would rather be alone resting / sleeping / relaxing in hotel just by myself. Somehow I've outgrown this "dating" activity as it became kinda boring. All girls talk similar about kids, family, houses, house repair projects, shortage of cash, and so on.
I stopped doing the outside dates completely. What is best mongering vacation? Fuck, eat, drink, sleep, repeat. Everything else I can do with relatives and friends at home. That doesn't mean I no longer have special girls. I do and I miss them a lot, but nowadays only inside FKK rooms.
What? No win situation with tute? I think it is win win situation buddy.
Look, one day these tute will find boyfriend who is naive and ignorant and he will invest thousands on bags, shoes, rents etc or even marry her to become her husband who do not know who she really is. This is real losing situation on this poor guy due to his naiveness and low IQ.
Where as, we know who she is she is tute, we pay her 50 euro per 30 min, we sex her up and do all sort of dirty thing, and she get 50 euro per 30 min for it, this is real win win situation more to our side actually LOL.Actually, this is an area where you can have smart guys doing some pretty stupid things! I remember one time I went to this dating event. You know, a lot of foreign girls looking for Mr. Right to take them far away with a visa. Well, after the event was over, I went to the top local puta palace. You know me! Hahaha! And who do I see there but some girls who were at the same event, only this time they were "tuting" LOLOLOL! So, it goes to prove your point, and also what another monger told me when I was but a lad getting into the mongering scene. So, there they were and there I was. I guess you could say we "deserved" each other hahaha! I tried to make a move on one of them, but she was so embarrassed that she just couldn't bring herself to go with me LOL!
Several times I took FKK girls who were "special" outside for shopping and dinner and my hotel room. Besides companionship I was thinking this gives you a break from routine FKK visits and a change of pace. The experience was OK, but eventually sitting and listening to a girl's chat at a restaurant table somewhere altstadt Duesseldorf or Koeln I caught myself thinking I would rather be alone resting / sleeping / relaxing in hotel just by myself. Somehow I've outgrown this "dating" activity as it became kinda boring. All girls talk similar about kids, family, houses, house repair projects, shortage of cash, and so on.Well described. Same with overnight escorts. I have been on day or night arrangements and had to ask the girl to leave. If meeting girls outside it is good to have low expectations.
Just occasionally (well, twice) though it turns out that the special girl from the club is indeed able to keep me entrance all day.
Actually, this is an area where you can have smart guys doing some pretty stupid things! I remember one time I went to this dating event. You know, a lot of foreign girls looking for Mr. Right to take them far away with a visa. Well, after the event was over, I went to the top local puta palace. You know me! Hahaha! And who do I see there but some girls who were at the same event, only this time they were "tuting" LOLOLOL! So, it goes to prove your point, and also what another monger told me when I was but a lad getting into the mongering scene. So, there they were and there I was. I guess you could say we "deserved" each other hahaha! I tried to make a move on one of them, but she was so embarrassed that she just couldn't bring herself to go with me LOL!Hahahaha right on point LOL.
Seriously, we see what many men do not see. I mean how many guys out there marry once upon a time tute and they do not even know about it LOL.
Only plus point with normal girl is no condom sex and that is it. I use rubber with tute for penetration so.
Men should not marry unless she got her own fund like inheritance or some thing to take care of her self or tip in some fund.
Hahaha, if you did not goto that normal dating event and went to tute place, you would have scored her LOL Another lesson for us monger that we should keep away from normal events and go straight to tute place to monger.
What is the difference is at tute places, we pay directly and pay less than marriage or relationship LOL.
BadinSweet
11-09-17, 03:23
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The point is that when you have a beautiful girl fucking you and doing other naughty things to you in the room, it is natural to develop some feelings for some of them....
The best solution to any of this inconvenient emotional entanglement is to find another gorgeous girl in the club and fuck her to your heart's content and then we will find we are bastards of little loyalty and can move on quickly from one girl to another.I wish it was that easy to forget someone you really connected with, at least for me it's not. We all fuck a bunch of gorgeous girls but some of us still like a small number of them that we just can't have enough. I would like to think that it goes the same way with the girls. They also fuck so many guys but they still like and prefer to a small number of customers.
No, and don't worry, I am not in love. LOL.
Actually, this is an area where you can have smart guys doing some pretty stupid things! I remember one time I went to this dating event. You know, a lot of foreign girls looking for Mr. Right to take them far away with a visa. Well, after the event was over, I went to the top local puta palace. You know me! Hahaha! And who do I see there but some girls who were at the same event, only this time they were "tuting" LOLOLOL! So, it goes to prove your point, and also what another monger told me when I was but a lad getting into the mongering scene. So, there they were and there I was. I guess you could say we "deserved" each other hahaha! I tried to make a move on one of them, but she was so embarrassed that she just couldn't bring herself to go with me LOL!Yeah, they can make good business decision, but in private life they are naive and they make stupid decision to cancel out their smart decision in business life.
We make good decision in FKK by paying 50 euro per 30 min and dumping rest of the problem to FKK girls future boyfriend or husband LOL.
We are more 50 euro kind of guys LOL.
We paid attention in math class during our high school days LOL LOL.
I wish it was that easy to forget someone you really connected with, at least for me it's not. We all fuck a bunch of gorgeous girls but some of us still like a small number of them that we just can't have enough. I would like to think that it goes the same way with the girls. They also fuck so many guys but they still like and prefer to a small number of customers.
No, and don't worry, I am not in love. LOL.We did not connect, we might got along with FKK girls, but connect is illusion they create for you so you come back or do it for you as you pay money honey LOL.
This is sometimes why some crazy events happen in FKK. When client go too crazy over girl working there and do crazy things.
I wish it was that easy to forget someone you really connected with, at least for me it's not. We all fuck a bunch of gorgeous girls but some of us still like a small number of them that we just can't have enough. I would like to think that it goes the same way with the girls. They also fuck so many guys but they still like and prefer to a small number of customers.
No, and don't worry, I am not in love. LOL.I know that what you say is true. It is right that liking a girl or customer is in no way is the same as being and love.
Polyamorist
11-09-17, 13:25
I wish it was that easy to forget someone you really connected with, at least for me it's not. We all fuck a bunch of gorgeous girls but some of us still like a small number of them that we just can't have enough.Marhaba, BadinSweet. There is a company called Realbotix that will make a sex robot for you in the exact likeness of any girl you may have had a crush on, if you commission it.
To feel the full connection you would also need to submit a phrasebook with stuff like "I give good blowjob baby," and "Where you go now? Zimmer?"
HTH.
Well, the girl started again.Complete surprise. This time I ended up with a short no stress totally pleasant meeting with the girl (and a colleague of hers). I am not posting more as, has been pointed out to me, any experience I detail is open season for trial by other members.Nice way to end a trip
I was pleased that the cold light of day didn't turn me into a monster n her eyes :)
BadinSweet
11-09-17, 17:15
Glad to hear you had a nice time with you girl Optimist.
Glad to hear you had a nice time with you girl Optimist.You are a gentleman and a scholar as we say in my neck of the woods.
And she didn't ask for money
BigBuddy69
11-10-17, 08:57
That's your irresistible British charm!
Triptogamont
11-10-17, 10:07
Well, the girl started again.Complete surprise. This time I ended up with a short no stress totally pleasant meeting with the girl (and a colleague of hers). I am not posting more as, has been pointed out to me, any experience I detail is open season for trial by other members.Nice way to end a trip
I was pleased that the cold light of day didn't turn me into a monster n her eyes :)I'm glad things ended on a high note for you.
I'm sure she will be miserable with your departure. If I see her, I will console her with 40 Euro.
That's your irresistible British charm!If only the girls were such flatterers.
The charm of my euro notes fades even more quickly than any minimal charm I have.
It is really nice to see a girl outside and realise she is more beautiful by far than in the club, and more relaxed. If I had seen her first time in the street I would have been "boulverse": in the club not so outstanding. Was nice. If you ever get to her I hope you are not disappointed: not out of world sex, but simply a nice person (of course I may be wrong about her character). The girls now I think take every fourth or fifth day free so when you know your plans, I will try to find out for you
Speaking pidgin Romanian with a British accent may have a certain charm.And having video clips on my phone of a singer who a girl from a club grew up with.
I'm glad things ended on a high note for you.
I'm sure she will be miserable with your departure. If I see her, I will console her with 40 Euro.I don't think she will miss me at all. She will enjoy your euros. Probably not working today.
If you see her give her a hug from me: (o imbratisare din Anglia).
BB69. Sorry, got mixed up. I know you are not planning. Sorry.
Ho, your box is full for a while now. Please clear out some space. Thanks!
Kriminalpolizei Augsburg:
https://www.scribd.com/document/184666612/Prostitution-in-Deutschland-Von-Helmut-Sporer-Kripo-Augsburg
Page 4, paragraph 4. Apparently it happens. Not implying that they read ISG specifically. Or that they read every post word-for-word or that they act on information that they read on forums.
McAdonis. Thank you for this depressing document. Clearly the Police here are (mis) using the content of forums such as this to support their points.
An astonishing concoction of unsubstantiated so called facts, with no references or sources.
The author needs a psychiatrist. So called evidence of the badness of "freier" is that they are no longer ashamed when the Police raid (presumably Catholic guilt is on the wane in Augsburg), and that they like workers with size 32 or 34 ((linking this to paedophilia).
Optimist,
Yes, the article is depressing to mongers. The author definitely takes a stance. Regardless of whether mongers agree with him, he has 20 years law enforcement experience, so he has more credibility.
However, it is hard to believe that the gang's methods are as brutal as they once were. Romanians make up 70% of the WGs in the entire EU, and this has been the case for close to a decade. Therefore it is highly probable that the current wave of WGs all had at least one older friend or relative who worked as a WG in Western Europe. In theory, this would have allowed them to make an "informed decision". If these older WGs had returned to their villages penniless because a BF ran off with all their money, well that sort of hurts recruitment, doesn't it? I mean would you join the army, if all your older brothers, cousins, and uncles were coming home in bodybags?
Also young Romanian girls are warned about "loverboys". Once I met a civilian Romanian girl's mother. Afterwards her mother told her that I looked like a loverboy. This was back in 2003. I can't imagine that young Romanian girls are as naive as the ones back in the 1990's. But maybe this is just me clearing my monger conscience.
Loverboy, RO film:
https://youtu.be/R-Gh83IkZdI
Yes, the article is depressing to mongers. The author definitely takes a stance. Regardless of whether mongers agree with him, he has 20 years law enforcement experience, so he has more credibility....He's another cop pleading for more power for the police, and hence more investments, higher staffing levels etc. On the other hand he may be a hired gun for some political / civilian lobbies. Here's another page by the same cop (Helmut Sporer):
https://www.gfbv.de/de/informieren/zeitschrift-bedrohte-voelker-pogrom/aeltere-ausgaben/277-zwangsprostitution-durch-menschenhandel/der-augsburger-weg/
The arguments put forward always resolve to the same core argument, ie that the girls are not free. Same old, same old.
Romanian lover boy ABC:
- Buy all sorts of doping possible.
- Stay at the gym 4 hours a day.
- Post selfies of yourself on facebook after a session at the gym to show your girl online.
- Have girl pay for your life while you stay at the gym.
- Sell excessive doping to other people for extra income.
- Have girl pay for travel and car to have you come to Germany once her income has gone up.
- Live in her apartment and spend days going to the gym and sometimes check out the FKK she works at.
- Fish for reserve girl in case the income of your main girl drops and she becomes less popular.
- Have 2nd girl work in a different club to avoid confrontations.
Ho, your box is full for a while now. Please clear out some space. Thanks!OK done. I just cleared it out.
He's another cop pleading for more power for the police, and hence more investments, higher staffing levels etc. On the other hand he may be a hired gun for some political / civilian lobbies. Here's another page by the same cop (Helmut Sporer):
https://www.gfbv.de/de/informieren/zeitschrift-bedrohte-voelker-pogrom/aeltere-ausgaben/277-zwangsprostitution-durch-menschenhandel/der-augsburger-weg/
The arguments put forward always resolve to the same core argument, ie that the girls are not free. Same old, same old.And we monger try to seek for more power over girls in FKK club LOL.
And girls try to seek for more power over us in FKK club LOL.
And pimp try to seek for more power over girls LOL.
Merry go round scheme LOL.
Neurosynth
11-20-17, 03:05
Kriminalpolizei Augsburg:
https://www.scribd.com/document/184666612/Prostitution-in-Deutschland-Von-Helmut-Sporer-Kripo-Augsburg
Page 4, paragraph 4. Apparently it happens. Not implying that they read ISG specifically. Or that they read every post word-for-word or that they act on information that they read on forums.It's worth noting this was a lecture dated 01.10. 2013. The talk in part outlines the changing attitudes towards liberalization, and mentions many things unrelated to enforcement activities.
Here is what it says via machine translation:
"We note another trend: the demand for very young, even childish women is increasing. Many brothels are particularly interested in women with dress size 32 or 34. These girls are particularly popular with the suitors. In the freeman.
Jargon is the name of the "fresh meat". This is a very hässliches word, inhumane, but reality. On special pages on the Internet, freelancers talk intensively about new fresh meat offers. By the way, there are also charts of women, so the top 10. Since the women are judged by their qualities, their performance, their commitment, similar to football. There is also the player of the week chosen. And there is one more trend in Germany: prostitution is now socially accepted, at least for some parts of the population. It's cool to go to the brothel and buy a wife".
Soccer players? How about job expertise? He is still framing it in a bad way. And 'fresh meat', well, by nature all animals are polygamous. We only stay together for economical reasons and safety and belongings. But sexually we are polygamous. So why not when everything men get from a brothel is sex? Now if the women did allow for dating (I suppose it does happen, but rarely), it makes it a bit different. We'd be more loyal. Anything and everything can be a sport. From fitness competitions to staying longest in a sauna (Finland). Labeling stuff how you want it yourself, or how you have been brainwashed into thinking, only speaks of your own prejudices.
The preference for slim women is probably threefold. 1. Men have always preferred virgins from the dawn of time, and the more slim or fit they are, the more 'virginesque' they look. 2. More Asians in these clubs probably lower that dress size by one or two notches. 3. Petite looks is not the same as a childish look. The idea that petite and childish corresponds, is a hoax or a lie, put forth by people who doesn't like petite women. There are petite looking women using these mentioned dress sizes older than me in this business. And if you go to asia, you'll find tens of millions of grandma's even more petite. The idea, although probably somewhat of an illusion, is that the more petite a girl is, the tighter her pussy is, the stronger the orgasm is for the guy, the more sensitive you both are. But you won't get much joy from it if the girl is too young, and she won't feel much then either. Women are also the horniest from age 25-33. So she needs age (experience) to make sex more natural.
Then again, fit girls are normally the most acrobatic and also with the strongest pussy muscles, so I sometimes don t get why not more guys go for the fitness girls. But I suppose some of them can look slightly masculine, and that's not good either.
Sorry for the ramblings. But the idea is that the lunatic 'expert' who wrote that piece of randomness is also reading my piece of randomness.
Why loverboys cheat:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/ct-cheating-spouse-financial-dependency-balancing-20150601-column.html
Basically, it is about them being financial dependent on the women without having paid for anything through an investment. So I would feel very insecure about my boyfriends cheating habits while I was at work if I was a working girl.
Polyamorist
11-20-17, 22:55
Romanian lover boy ABC:
- Buy all sorts of doping possible.
- Stay at the gym 4 hours a day.Masā' al-khayr, Pistons. Sounds like for a young Romanian guy to get laid he has to be some kind of beefcake jock or a drug dealer or a pimp or all three. But I don't mean to pick on Romanians: this is really a worldwide problem of sexual starvation and illustrates the control girls have over guys rather than vice-versa.
"Desire makes slaves out of kings, while patience makes kings out of slaves. " -- Abu Hamid Al-Ghazali.
Masā' al-khayr, Pistons. Sounds like for a young Romanian guy to get laid he has to be some kind of beefcake jock or a drug dealer or a pimp or all three. But I don't mean to pick on Romanians: this is really a worldwide problem of sexual starvation and illustrates the control girls have over guys rather than vice-versa.
"Desire makes slaves out of kings, while patience makes kings out of slaves. " -- Abu Hamid Al-Ghazali.Indeed it is not at all a Romanian only thing. But can we really blame girls for this? After all, we also have our own preferences. The only thing might be if there are negative sides of these preferences. But that's generalizations.
Polyamorist
11-21-17, 21:10
Indeed it is not at all a Romanian only thing. But can we really blame girls for this?Wallahi Pistons I wasn't blaming the girls, but International Men's Day got me thinking on the imbalances of opportunity between guys and girls in the FKKs. If a Romanian guy is honest, his best job is picking up towels and not even earning 70% of what the women make. If he's not, and doing the loverboy thing, then he's essentially providing the same illusion to the girls as they do for us, but doing a much better job of it judging from their sighs.
Wallahi Pistons I wasn't blaming the girls, but International Men's Day got me thinking on the imbalances of opportunity between guys and girls in the FKKs. If a Romanian guy is honest, his best job is picking up towels and not even earning 70% of what the women make. Picking up towels, at the most 1200/ mth before tax. After tax if the guy is single 900 Euro. No tips. No esteem from girls. The real slaves.
Picking up towels, at the most 1200/ mth before tax. After tax if the guy is single 900 Euro. No tips. No esteem from girls. The real slaves.Perhaps it would make them into slaves. But the alternative should by all means be worse to the girls. If they think about it at least, and not live in an illusion.
Looking for FKK with active kinos where public action still takes place.
Looking for FKK with active kinos where public action still takes place.Hi.
I can recommend the Kino at F39. I had lots of sex there a coupl of weeks ago.
BL.
Triptogamont
11-22-17, 18:16
Hi.
I can recommend the Kino at F39. I had lots of sex there a coupl of weeks ago.
BL.Tried to PM, but your inbox is full. Hope you don't mind me asking whether the public action was legal or not. PM if you prefer. Thanks in advance!
BadinSweet
11-28-17, 17:37
Just returned from a Thanksgiving weekend in Germany and make me realized how out of the league I am, we are. Here on ISG, people discussed how and what they should get for 50 E /100 E session. I talked to couple girls, who became good friends with me. One girl told me about how this one client just took her on a shopping spree of 10,000 Euro with things like LV bag, shoes, etc. Buying her a new car, and transferred her 20 K to her acct for Christmas holidays. This other girl also told me how this one client paid for 3 K business class seat for her to fly to meet him at this one tropical island (don't want to name it, for privacy reason), gave her 10 K for this weekend getaway, etc. (I know this for a fact because I helped her choose the seat on the plane).
Just make me realize that I am so out of the league and cannot compete with such clients. Though the girls enjoy spending time with me but man, a weekend getaway, with that much money, I will suck the guy dick too, LOL.
BigBuddy69
11-28-17, 21:14
Two possibilities:
- the girls are lying.
- the guys are complete morons.
RabbitFarm
11-28-17, 21:25
Just returned from a Thanksgiving weekend in Germany and make me realized how out of the league I am, we are. Here on ISG, people discussed how and what they should get for 50 E /100 E session. I talked to couple girls, who became good friends with me. One girl told me about how this one client just took her on a shopping spree of 10,000 Euro with things like LV bag, shoes, etc. Buying her a new car, and transferred her 20 K to her acct for Christmas holidays. This other girl also told me how this one client paid for 3 K business class seat for her to fly to meet him at this one tropical island (don't want to name it, for privacy reason), gave her 10 K for this weekend getaway, etc. (I know this for a fact because I helped her choose the seat on the plane).
Just make me realize that I am so out of the league and cannot compete with such clients. Though the girls enjoy spending time with me but man, a weekend getaway, with that much money, I will suck the guy dick too, LOL.Why would you even want to compete with such clients? He's clearly being used. The best thing that can come out of it is they get married and she divorces him and takes half of his wealth.
BadinSweet
11-28-17, 22:05
Not trying to compete (since we can't win). These are just super rich guy who has a lot of money. They normally don't meet these girls in the club. They just met them once, in the club, from their business trip, and the rest of the time they meet outside.
I know the girls are not lying (they have no reason to). For the case with the weekend getaway, she showed me the ticket receipt, with confirmation number, in order for me to pick the seat for her. The LV bag and shoes, I told her about returning it and get the cash back, LOL, but the guy paid with his CC.
One thing these two men have in common, I will let you guess where they come from. That's right, they are Asian! They have family but this one guy sounds super nice and wanted to help her. Good for them. These two girls are probably top girls in the club.
Heard from an FKK girl that she was waiting for a rich billionaire to pick her up and marry her. Hasn't happened 4 years later.
These things are very rare. Even the weekend getaways. Hotel getaways on the other hand happens quite often. But not for these prices. And why would a billionaire stick to one girl he met in an FKK? The risks would be too high. It is the main problem for these girls if they want a non Romanian guy. Trust. It takes a long time to build, but just a minute to ruin. And the more money that's involved, the less likely you can trust someone. Those are two almost perfect opposite factors in the trust risk sheet.
So unless you have inherited the money and are dumb as a duck, you would need some intellect in order to make your money. Some of that intellect should be spent on girls also. So these rich guys are only doing this for sports. I guess like some of us, but with the extra cash to take the girls away to exotic destinations on high daily rates.
Just returned from a Thanksgiving weekend in Germany and make me realized how out of the league I am, we are. Here on ISG, people discussed how and what they should get for 50 E /100 E session. I talked to couple girls, who became good friends with me. One girl told me about how this one client just took her on a shopping spree of 10,000 Euro with things like LV bag, shoes, etc. Buying her a new car, and transferred her 20 K to her acct for Christmas holidays. This other girl also told me how this one client paid for 3 K business class seat for her to fly to meet him at this one tropical island (don't want to name it, for privacy reason), gave her 10 K for this weekend getaway, etc. (I know this for a fact because I helped her choose the seat on the plane).
Just make me realize that I am so out of the league and cannot compete with such clients. Though the girls enjoy spending time with me but man, a weekend getaway, with that much money, I will suck the guy dick too, LOL.I'm surprised about your writing, even I m not a 50 € and even less and less 100 € guy, I like to get from girls free services or time. It s very rare I have problem of upselling, I am never asked for tip, I only pay 50/30 mn or 40 at Aca. I never spent more than 600 € with a FKK girl on a week end, even at Globe, when I had a 9 hours night with a Russian dancer in Peter. Ru for 400 USD, I should have kept her with me on next day. For 1000 € , I would book a Russian escort for a day, or have a Russian girl for 1 week in Russia or Kiev. I don t need to buy WGs a car, a watch, Louboutin shoes or Chanel bag. Money don t buy respect or passion, behavior, manners and skill can. With prostitutes, I only pay for pleasure, not more, even I often give them advices.
Member #4581
11-29-17, 00:21
If a girl is in the club asking regular men for a room, it means she still needs the money from that one room, be it 50 or 100 or whatever. If she could several grand from other men at that time and didn't need the 50, she would not be there in the club.
I agree with Pistons. Men who earned their money the honest way don't throw it around just to impress girls. May be a few do, but most don't. The following link is a good read. There is a common of perception of how wealthy people behave, and a reality of what they actually are.
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/stanley-millionaire.html
BadinSweet
11-29-17, 00:37
Don't want to turn this into these guys are idiots, etc. Since I don't know them personally, I will reserve my judgement. But I look at it this way, If I am rich enough that my current 100 Euro is equivalent to 10 K Euro, and some girl that I really like, and is honest, need help I will be giving my "100 Euro" to her, to help out.
PokerWiesBaden
11-29-17, 01:20
Two possibilities:
- the girls are lying.
- the guys are complete morons.Gas stations sells gas.
Supermarket sells food.
Mercedes sells cars.
FKK sells? Who knows? Lies!
Just got back from Germany. Went to GT, Oceans, Palace and Living Room.
LR and GT offer top service as usual with normal rate whether it is 50 or 100 euro, but I must point out these two clubs had same line up through out this year that I went. I went in Feb, June and November, spread out time and most line up are same and this time round, same line up.
Oceans had changed line up and it was actually not bad optically on the night that I went. But bus front of duss rath station was broken and I had to walk through some forest to get to oceans LOL It was scary. I mean I walked through some forest at about 7 pm at night LOL I went there after GT line up was not satisfying being the same Line up to my past visits.
Palace also changed line up and on three nights I went, German table were all gone beside Jenny. I read a report on forum that Stella was there on Friday, but Stella was not there for sure. Line up was mediocre and I must say the peak is gone for line up at palace.
I must say over all, line up was really mediocre and in most clubs line up stayed same or got bit worst by new girls who are not stunner exactly.
Hmmm. The days I miss the most is Artemis back in the days till 2014 ish when they used to refresh certain part of line up with few new stunner on each visits I made then line up began stay same with ugly ones from 2015 on, which made me stop going there and I hear BBBJ are problem at Artemis now as it is no longer standard.
Does this all mean all German FKK are facing limitation of castings for line up? What can I do now for my next trip? I think I may try out hamburg as I hear good stories and all I need is two stunner or three stunner in clubs.
As for BBBJ I had no problem in any of the clubs I went to this time round, I got it for standard rate as set service, no mentioning of condom beside one time, but I refused then she BBBJ me right away, no upsell for it. Though I do still think it will be problem in future soon or later, so we should enjoy this while we can.
Some girls are concern about registration from Jan. 1st, so some movement of line up can be expected.
Hmmm. I may goto hamburg next trip and make a trip to Berlin by train for one night as Artemis is close by? Or? I am bit concerned for line up casting in German FKK now, it is 85% same girls in most clubs or even more 90% same girls with no new stunner added. I went to all same girls beside two new girl I tried out, service were good though.
BadinSweet
11-29-17, 03:02
By the way, I forgot to mention, she also showed me the hotel reservation of their over-water bungalow villas which, I just check, is going for 1200 Euro per night.
All the WGs know the best-paying clients aren't necessarily the richest. A client who has a net worth of 1 million may pay better than one who has a net worth of 50 million. Even a man who has only 1 million net worth could conceivably drop 50 K on a single WG over a one month span. Why? Loneliness, depression, life circumstances. Maybe this allegedly "super rich" Asian client is only worth 1 million. But he is going through a divorce. He realizes he will soon lose half of his wealth, so rather than let his wife take it, he is going to blow through as much money as he can before the settlement. This Asian client could just be pretending to be "super-rich" to make himself feel better or to impress the WG.
Or the WG fully realizes that he is not as wealthy as his spending habits indicate, and she has ulterior motives for telling you that he is super-rich. There are at least three ways she can use this angle to further lock you in as her client: (1) she could be trying to encourage you to compete for her affection (I. E. Go from being a 3-hour customer to a 5-hour customer), or (2) she is trying to make you feel like you are getting a bargain (when people feel like they are getting a bargain, people tend to be more happier with their purchasing decision), or (3) she wants you to feel like you are her special client ("that other guy pays much more, but I give you the same service because I like you so much more".
But to get back more on-topic, a guy that has 50 million is probably looking for something more exclusive than a 100 EUR per hour hooker that thousands of men have already had. If he is going to pay for sex, it is likely to be with a celebrity, model, or beauty contest winner. He likely is in a position of power so probably would not want to be seen in a FKK club.
By the way, I forgot to mention, she also showed me the hotel reservation of their over-water bungalow villas which, I just check, is going for 1200 Euro per night.So this receipt has the customer's name on it? Did she at least censor that out?
Hmmm. I may go to hamburg next trip and make a trip to Berlin by train for one night as Artemis is close by? Or? I am bit concerned for line up casting in German FKK now, it is 85% same girls in most clubs or even more 90% same girls with no new stunner added. I went to all same girls beside two new girl I tried out, service were good though.Well if you go to Hamburg, then you won't have to worry about it being the "same" line-up since you've never been there before LOL! And you can take an easy side trip to Berlin via bus or train. Maybe you can find Lilia. I think you would like her.
All the WGs know the best-paying clients aren't necessarily the richest. A client who has a net worth of 1 million may pay better than one who has a net worth of 50 million. Even a man who has only 1 million net worth could conceivably drop 50 K on a single WG over a one month span. Why? Loneliness, depression, life circumstances. Maybe this allegedly "super rich" Asian client is only worth 1 million. But he is going through a divorce. He realizes he will soon lose half of his wealth, so rather than let his wife take it, he is going to blow through as much money as he can before the settlement. This Asian client could just be pretending to be "super-rich" to make himself feel better or to impress the WG.
Or the WG fully realizes that he is not as wealthy as his spending habits indicate, and she has ulterior motives for telling you that he is super-rich. There are at least three ways she can use this angle to further lock you in as her client: (1) she could be trying to encourage you to compete for her affection (I. E. Go from being a 3-hour customer to a 5-hour customer), or (2) she is trying to make you feel like you are getting a bargain (when people feel like they are getting a bargain, people tend to be more happier with their purchasing decision), or (3) she wants you to feel like you are her special client ("that other guy pays much more, but I give you the same service because I like you so much more"..Well 100 euro per hour hooker we fuck at FKK often work also at escort charging few hundred euro per hour. Many stunners are like this, they do escort, on free days, they work at FKK via up selling FKK pricing structure LOL.
Just returned from a Thanksgiving weekend in Germany and make me realized how out of the league I am, we are. Here on ISG, people discussed how and what they should get for 50 E /100 E session. I talked to couple girls, who became good friends with me. One girl told me about how this one client just took her on a shopping spree of 10,000 Euro with things like LV bag, shoes, etc. Buying her a new car, and transferred her 20 K to her acct for Christmas holidays. This other girl also told me how this one client paid for 3 K business class seat for her to fly to meet him at this one tropical island (don't want to name it, for privacy reason), gave her 10 K for this weekend getaway, etc. (I know this for a fact because I helped her choose the seat on the plane).
Just make me realize that I am so out of the league and cannot compete with such clients. Though the girls enjoy spending time with me but man, a weekend getaway, with that much money, I will suck the guy dick too, LOL.It happens, but men in this case are damn ones LOL.
I met a girl outside club and had session, but I paid normal rate and also taxi fee, and I saved my entrance.
I do not get why some girls meet outside than in club, but few times I did it, it was good fun to remember.
Those who do want to spend crazy amount can go ahead, but what is the point in that and I do not believe most part of what girls says in FKK clubs anyways LOL so these story can be all BS.
Mr. Ho,
Well it seems we have somewhat same taste in girls, and if you've read some of my latest reviews this year, the two clubs palace and GT are perhaps the 2 that I've also felt has declined the most. (Or GT I have never felt were that good out of my limited visits).
Like you said Oceans has some stunners, so its still good. Acapulco is definitely still alive and well. Sharks is bouncing back strong these days. So you probably should have changed GT and Palace with Aca and Sharks.
Oase is trying hard with lots of new girls this year as some of the old lineup is moving on. Still not impressed, and haven't seen Ina recently either as she was the one new interesting girl there. Chayenne, Carla and a few others too are there, but its slim pickings normally. Haven't seen szanett on my visits for over a year even though I read about her, so I'm not too impressed.
Samya is alive and well, but the lineup is not stellar. Katea and Madeleina for me, and maybe Kiara. But the place is perhaps not the place that makes one want to fuck.
YY is a club I definitely want to visit again. But lineup is up and down it seems.
I thought LR was good. My girl from SS is also there now. She was great.
I'm far from sold on going hamburg. Could do Artemis again mainly for Aksena and perhaps that Thai girl.
Wellcum is well worth a 3 day trip. I'd rather mix that up with Berlin than Hamburg.
BadinSweet
11-29-17, 20:56
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I met a girl outside club and had session, but I paid normal rate and also taxi fee, and I saved my entrance.
I do not get why some girls meet outside than in club, but few times I did it, it was good fun to remember.
Those who do want to spend crazy amount can go ahead, but what is the point in that and I do not believe most part of what girls says in FKK clubs anyways LOL so these story can be all BS.Lets assume one pay 1000 Euro a day to see a girl outside. For the 50 E guy in the club, he will say "why spend so much money with someone when you can have her for 50 E room for 20 rooms! Some guy pay for train ticket, you pay for taxi, some pay for economy ticket, this guy pays for business class seat. So, it is all relative. These guys are super rich so, spending 20 K Euro for a weekend getaway with their honey probably means nothing to them. It's like Tiger Wood fly his chicks in first class to meet him or he sent a private jet to pick up Lindsey Vonn when they were not dating yet.
So this receipt has the customer's name on it? Did she at least censor that out?Not the name but it has the ticket cost, the guy cell phone, and email address.
All the WGs know the best-paying clients aren't necessarily the richest. A client who has a net worth of 1 million may pay better than one who has a net worth of 50 million. Even a man who has only 1 million net worth could conceivably drop 50 K on a single WG over a one month span. Why? Loneliness, depression, life circumstances. Maybe this allegedly "super rich" Asian client is only worth 1 million. But he is going through a divorce. He realizes he will soon lose half of his wealth, so rather than let his wife take it, he is going to blow through as much money as he can before the settlement. This Asian client could just be pretending to be "super-rich" to make himself feel better or to impress the WG.
Or the WG fully realizes that he is not as wealthy as his spending habits indicate, and she has ulterior motives for telling you that he is super-rich. There are at least three ways she can use this angle to further lock you in as her client: (1) she could be trying to encourage you to compete for her affection (I. E. Go from being a 3-hour customer to a 5-hour customer), or (2) she is trying to make you feel like you are getting a bargain (when people feel like they are getting a bargain, people tend to be more happier with their purchasing decision), or (3) she wants you to feel like you are her special client ("that other guy pays much more, but I give you the same service because I like you so much more".
But to get back more on-topic, a guy that has 50 million is probably looking for something more exclusive than a 100 EUR per hour hooker that thousands of men have already had. If he is going to pay for sex, it is likely to be with a celebrity, model, or beauty contest winner. He likely is in a position of power so probably would not want to be seen in a FKK club.From what they told me, these are just nice guy who try to help them. After the one visit in the club, they never went back. Again, these girls know me well and they have no reason to make things up. Girl A, the one with 10 K shopping and guy buying her a car, I am not her regular. I am actually good friend with her friend. She knows I won't be her regular but for some reason girls seem to trust me and tell me their stories.
Girl be, the one with weekend getaway, this one I knew her for a long time. Anyhow, in case someone think this is all BS, here is my conversation with her on FB when I helped her with the seats selection, on an Airbus A380, top deck business seat.
Girl be, the one with weekend getaway, this one I knew her for a long time. Anyhow, in case someone think this is all BS, here is my conversation with her on FB when I helped her with the seats selection, on an Airbus A380, top deck business seat.Yep this is true. One girl told me when she was flying to Dubai with her "daddy" from Frankfurt, the business / first was filled with prostitutes. It's just how things are. Those rich Muslims only want a blond European prostitute as a sex toy, they will only marry one of their own, at least for the first wife. Blond prostitutes can maybe be 4th wife. LOL.
Also club girls that work / worked in Dubai will also most likely do AO if you pay enough. No one is spending 20 k for a weekend to cum in a condom, not even the rich Arabs. Gangbang creampies in the middle east! The only way for peace in the middle east is to import more European prostitutes!
As for the shopping weekend stuff I'm also guilty, but hey it's just money! Paper grows on trees!
Again, these girls know me well and they have no reason to make things up. Girl A, the one with 10 K shopping and guy buying her a car, I am not her regular. I am actually good friend with her friend. She knows I won't be her regular but for some reason girls seem to trust me and tell me their stories.
I don't doubt that guy could be worth 5-10 million EUR. But super-rich? Seems doubtful. Both the Asian-guy and the WG could be exaggerating. Why? Perhaps she is not proud of being a 100 EUR per hour WG, but wants to think of herself as a high-class escort. Super-rich guys could be with models, so if they choose her, it validates her.
I have a friend who took this model / hostess he met to Seychelles and Dubai for a week long getaway. He told me spent 25 K EUR and he makes about 200-250 K EUR a year (knowing him, probably 20% exaggeration on both those figures). But his mindset: it was his birthday, and you-only-live-once. I met one FKKer who was spending I believe $7-8 K on his three trips per year when he was probably only making $30-40 K. Point is it's hard to deduce wealth based on a snapshot of spending. If the guy was paying for a 20 K weekend getaway with her every month, then that would be more conclusive.
Romanians living in the west tend to brag. Probably 1 in 7 people work abroad. Nobody wants to go back home a failure. So what ends up happening is everyone they know embellishes their earnings a little, so out of embarrassment, they are forced do the same. It almost becomes habit. You seem to be on FB frieds with all them. How many post pictures of their cars, expensive holidays, and luxury items?
https://www.talk-business.co.uk/2015/01/22/one-three-people-inflate-salary-impress-friend/
Of course, it could be completely true that the guy is super-rich, but I would think it would be rare occurrence. Maybe the only one in her career.
Mr. Ho,
Well it seems we have somewhat same taste in girls, and if you've read some of my latest reviews this year, the two clubs palace and GT are perhaps the 2 that I've also felt has declined the most. (Or GT I have never felt were that good out of my limited visits).
Like you said Oceans has some stunners, so its still good. Acapulco is definitely still alive and well. Sharks is bouncing back strong these days. So you probably should have changed GT and Palace with Aca and Sharks.
Oase is trying hard with lots of new girls this year as some of the old lineup is moving on. Still not impressed, and haven't seen Ina recently either as she was the one new interesting girl there. Chayenne, Carla and a few others too are there, but its slim pickings normally. Haven't seen szanett on my visits for over a year even though I read about her, so I'm not too impressed..Yes, I must re-think my visiting area strategy due to limitation of line up in German FKK. Before 2015, we had great line up days where few stunner are added to clubs, but now, same line up, same stunner some not even being there during our visit etc. So since limitation of line up is notable these days, I have to re-think where to go next. Good news is BBBJ is no problem for me, but I do think it will be problematic thing in future as new girls will use it against us.
I liked land in Frankfurt, do palace, goto Düsseldorf and sleep one night, so have two full days at gt since it is day time club, and head back to Frankfurt with last train, but hmmm line up was really same and I liked all the girls I fucked during this visit of mine, but I fucked most of them few times before this year, so I have to seek for new stunner. The thing is where to go as clubs you mentioned are all far apart LOL.
Oase, I have such bad upselling memory and sharks, LU were not my taste and I do not like that lighting as it is deceiving, unless it is summer when we can see them under sun light before set off to room. For those two clubs, I prefer GT and LR.
Yeah LR is nice and always find not exactly stunner, but next door teeny hot girl kind of girls who are young and service by far is good in LR and GT than other clubs. But LU were 90% same this year, I did spread out visits in I think Feb., June and Nov. This year, so it is balanced checks on LU.
I am kind of interested of going back to Artemis but BBBJ reports are alarming there on forum and also I understand with the police raid there, I understand if kenan the owner is concerned about such rules, so hmmm. Also line up at Artemis declined that is why I left so shall I take chance there again or?
Hamuburg interest me simply because all German stunner I had mostly claim they are from there, so being close to Denmark border and being blonde Germans etc. Explain my taste for women, Denmark and German mix is good blonde or brunette taste of mine.
I do have to think and seek for strategy for better new LU for my next visit to Germany, I may end up doing same as I cannot think of solution for now, but at least I got a lot to consider during this Christmas season for my 2018 lust strategy LOL.
2010 to 2014 Artemis line up was my best times, when line up was so big and diverse, with many like about 5 different kind of stunners in line up and these stunners change here and there each time I visit enabled me to taste few stunners each time I went. I got to think how to supply me the same for my next visit.
It also made me realize that some girls mention about Jan. 1st registration, so LU may move around after then too. We monger who seek for stunners and know what we want in FKK must consider our travelling strategy as bit, at least for me I am mostly fucking same stunners for almost 2 years now LOL.
If I go with any cute girls in FKK, it is easy, but me chasing mostly just stunners made my life hard these days, well still these stunners fuck me very good as I am repeated client, though I could use some change in casting of stunners.
Question is what to do.
BadinSweet
11-30-17, 03:06
I tend to go with a nice and sweet girl. So, the one that I am really friend with and keep in contact, they don't fit the profile of what you are talking about. Their FB are not full of nice things, bragging, showing off, etc. When I meet them outside, they order cheap stuff and never took advantage of me, eventhough they know I will be paying for everything. Hence I really like them, also as a person. So, If I were to hit a lottery and have a lot of money, I can also see myself taking them on an expensive trip, giving them money to help them out so they won't have to be in the club.
Member #4581
11-30-17, 03:31
200 to 250 K euro, or roughly $240-300 K annual income is not big shakes, especially if the person is located in NYC or London or San Fran. It might barely qualify a family of 3/4 for a middle class living in such places. Sounds like a nice number, but after taxes (assuming these guys are making a honest living, and are not the "lover boys" we discuss endlessly) and rent / mortgage and commute, not much is left. I don't think such a person has any business splurging 25 K Euro for a week of pleasure. May be for one very special week, but keep doing it regularly and he won't have much left for his golden years.
Ofc people can make high amounts in low cost of living areas too, but in general in the US it is in high cost areas that regular folks obtain higher salaries. Not universally true but generally yes.
5 to 10 mil Euro, or $6 to $12 mil net worth is a different matter, especially if it is $12 mil and not $6 mil. First of all, if a person has that much, he doesn't need to live in a high cost of living area because he doesn't need to make a living in the first place. Just investing the majority of that amount in safe income yielding instruments can reap a few hundred grand dividend / interest annually w / o touching the principal.
$10 mil is what qualifies for top 1% by net worth. It's also where estate taxes kick in, I. E. Bona fide wealthy. This is in the US, and on a global basis the thresholds will be lower.
And it is not easy for most people making the $300K/year to accumulate $10 mil net worth. Unless the person starts making that much from the age of 25, or otherwise gets very lucky with some investments. Just do the math, and you can see it.
https://dqydj.com/who-are-the-one-percent-united-states/
Well if I have x million euro or whatever is discussed here lately.
I will live in FKK, get delivered 5 star food there, but I will just live in FKK everyday from after lunch till like 11 PM-ish till I go home, and upon arriving home I will order escort for final sex before sleep and she stay to sex me up in following morning.
I will repeat above till I die if I have x million euro cash to burn.
However. I took FKK girls in my hotel room, but usually they ask for 500 euro and it is not for whole night. It is for few hours with good service, so it actually can be cheaper to goto club.
Plus, I always suspect, girls come to you in hotel room early so she can get cash payment that is unknown to tax authorities and after me they goto FKK club LOL Maybe or maybe not.
However, these girls are not that hard working, so it maybe that she get 500 or so euro and take that as easy few hour working day that is almost day off as she only has to work few hours with client she knows for long time.
Anyways, I want to live in FKK so all I see everyday is young girls pussies LOL.
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