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200 to 250 K euro, or roughly $240-300 K annual income is not big shakes, especially if the person is located in NYC or London or San Fran. It might barely qualify a family of 3/4 for a middle class living in such places. Sounds like a nice number, but after taxes (assuming these guys are making a honest living, and are not the "lover boys" we discuss endlessly) and rent / mortgage and commute, not much is left. I don't think such a person has any business splurging 25 K Euro for a week of pleasure.Yea I lived in NYC for a couple years and making $225 k per year felt like lower middle class. Rent was 2 k month for a 550 sqft fucking studio. Still I was able to spend about $40 k per year for 4 tours per year. And still save more than I spend. That's probably my only rule when it comes to spending on WG. For every dollar I spend I'll need to save at least 1. Usually comes out more.
Now living in Chicago making $300 k per year makes a big difference, rent is much cheaper here even in the safe areas. My budget increased to maybe a bit over $50 k per year. If anything it's that I don't have enough vacation days to spend more. I really don't have much things to spend on. Both my jobs in NYC and Chicago offers 3 meals a day during the week days. So FKK is really most of my spending goes to, and I still save a shit ton of money to invest. I'm pretty cheap guy while in the states but also I work a fuck ton so spending is also limited. If I work on weekends I can order meals on the firm. Rent is like my highest expense, but when I'm on vacation I don't really go on a budget.
Really though even when I crack $10 million in cash funds, I'd rather still go to FKKs and fuck €50 prostitutes. Trying to ask for sex in the states just ain't worth the hassle. If you've been following the news lately everything is considered sexual harassment these days, no way I'm touching any of these women in the states when I can fuck as long as I physically can in a FKK club for €1200 per day.
Hello all,
I occasionally get to Europe but have yet to visit FKK. Rates seem reasonable and I know most can be half hour or full hour, for different price. My question, which I tried search but no luck, is do sessions in FKK allow multiple 'shots on goal', so to speak? In other words, if it is good and climax in 20 minutes, can we have another until the hour is up? Is it generally the same practice across Germany / Austria, or is it depending on place or provider? Thanks much for responses!
Hello all,
I occasionally get to Europe but have yet to visit FKK. Rates seem reasonable and I know most can be half hour or full hour, for different price. My question, which I tried search but no luck, is do sessions in FKK allow multiple 'shots on goal', so to speak? In other words, if it is good and climax in 20 minutes, can we have another until the hour is up? Is it generally the same practice across Germany / Austria, or is it depending on place or provider? Thanks much for responses!Usually you can cum as much as you can for sessions 1 hour or longer. For 30 min sessions, it's usually 1 pop unless the girl really feels sorry for you.
Mr. Ho,
You need a rental car. Makes FKK'ing in Germany much much simpler. Once you start getting a rental car, you will never go back to public transport.
Personally I don't see a deteriorating lineup as a whole in the German clubs. But there are more clubs now, and the Romanian lot has aged in average age since 10 years ago when they were let into eu. Still there are some 30 year old Romanians I wouldn't switch out for a 20 year old too. And some of them age so well that they have at least 5, if not 10 more good years ahead of them.
Maybe we have slightly different taste in girls. Stella (palace), a girl you seem to like, while looking stylish and pretty, never had that x factor in my eyes. Sure some hamburg blondes are nice. I remember Jayda (or Jada) a few years ago at Artemis. And the infamous Nadia. But I don't know if it has better average girls than cities like Stuttgart or cologne or Dortmund. Nor some parts in Romania or Bulgaria for that matter. The one thing that could rejuvenate the FKK lineups more than anything is if Ukraine was being let into the eu. Perhaps also Serbia.
I also hated the sharks light in the past, but it is something you can grow into. Aca is another club that you can grow into liking, and it has the type you would define as stunner type. Same as Oceans or YY. Although aca has mostly black haired Romanians. Some blondes are there and also some German blondes. As for new lineup, Oase has gone crazy regarding changing lineup this year. Dunno what Mauro is doing. Trying to hit jackpots I guess. But it is like you say a riskt club these days even if it has more new girls than anywhere.
And then lots of girls are drawn to Austria with slightly higher rates there. Some girls past 25 years old move from Austria to Germany because competition can be more fierce in some of the Austrian clubs.
Really though even when I crack $10 million in cash funds, I'd rather still go to FKKs and fuck 50 prostitutes. Trying to ask for sex in the states just ain't worth the hassle. If you've been following the news lately everything is considered sexual harassment these days, no way I'm touching any of these women in the states when I can fuck as long as I physically can in a FKK club for 1200 per day.Per Jnpr30's link, $10 million would make one a one-percenter in USA, so about 3 million others would have at least that net worth or more. While, quite an accomplishment, that doesn't entitle one to a life of extreme privilege. Used to have a boss who ran a company and had invested in several restaurants and nightclubs. One of his homes was $40 million. Models would sleep with him to be invited to his parties, meet celebrities, and have the opportunity to network in his social circle. He didn't have to pay them. Can't see someone like that putting a FKK girl on a pedestal, when they are accustomed to having attention of extremely attractive women in real life.
One-percenters ($300 K per year or $10 million net worth) easily have the cash lying around for a $20 K getaway. It's just, as Jnpr30 says, not financially responsible. But sometimes, people want to splurge. I could envision this type of guy putting a FKK girl on a pedestal. Exaggerating his own net worth to the WG. And then the WG layering her own exaggeration on top of that.
Rogue Nation
11-30-17, 23:03
Hello all,
I occasionally get to Europe but have yet to visit FKK. Rates seem reasonable and I know most can be half hour or full hour, for different price. My question, which I tried search but no luck, is do sessions in FKK allow multiple 'shots on goal', so to speak? In other words, if it is good and climax in 20 minutes, can we have another until the hour is up? Is it generally the same practice across Germany / Austria, or is it depending on place or provider? Thanks much for responses!In Germany usually it is one pop in 30 min, two pops in 60 mins and multiple pops in longer sessions. Globe in Zürich allows two pops in 30 min. Talk to the girls.
So, If I were to hit a lottery and have a lot of money, I can also see myself taking them on an expensive trip, giving them money to help them out so they won't have to be in the club.Didn't you say that the WG got a $20 K deposit in her bank account for Christmas? Is her pimp taking all of it? Does she have a six-figure debt? That money should go a long way in RO.
Really though even when I crack $10 million in cash funds, I'd rather still go to FKKs and fuck 50 prostitutes. Trying to ask for sex in the states just ain't worth the hassle. If you've been following the news lately everything is considered sexual harassment these days, no way I'm touching any of these women in the states when I can fuck as long as I physically can in a FKK club for 1200 per day.I agree with you LOL.
Once we experience German FKK especially back in the day when the line up was solid with various stunner, it is hard to go back with normal relationship without thinking more than twice about rationality of dealing with normal girls LOL.
I met African American guys from Miami during this visit and had nice chat and he nailed it, he said, "do not marry unless the girl is much richer than you" LOL he is 100 % right.
BadinSweet
12-01-17, 02:00
McAdonis, what I said was in general, that if I have money, etc. Has nothing to do with what the girls just received.
On a side note, regarding car rental, what is it with Germany for a one or two days car rental? I maybe going back to Germany in two weeks and will only have a day or two layover. Hertz one day rental is like $90,2-days $180, but 3-days is $108. And no, you cannot reserve for three days and return early. Then the rate will return to those daily rate. I have never found a way around this. So, when my trip is shorter than 3 days, I have to use bus, taxi, train, etc.
Per Jnpr30's link, $10 million would make one a one-percenter in USA, so about 3 million others would have at least that net worth or more. While, quite an accomplishment, that doesn't entitle one to a life of extreme privilege. Used to have a boss who ran a company and had invested in several restaurants and nightclubs. One of his homes was $40 million. Models would sleep with him to be invited to his parties, meet celebrities, and have the opportunity to network in his social circle. He didn't have to pay them. Can't see someone like that putting a FKK girl on a pedestal, when they are accustomed to having attention of extremely attractive women in real life.
One-percenters ($300 K per year or $10 million net worth) easily have the cash lying around for a $20 K getaway. It's just, as Jnpr30 says, not financially responsible. But sometimes, people want to splurge. I could envision this type of guy putting a FKK girl on a pedestal. Exaggerating his own net worth to the WG. And then the WG layering her own exaggeration on top of that.Yea I don't know. I certainly don't feel like a 1 per center with $300 k. Still flying economy class LOL! Yea also with my profession even if I crack $100 million mark I'm certain I won't know any celebrity friends. My social network is just a bunch of quants, nerdy guys good with math, I'm certain at keas.
On a side note, regarding car rental, what is it with Germany for a one or two days car rental? I maybe going back to Germany in two weeks and will only have a day or two layover. Hertz one day rental is like $90,2-days $180, but 3-days is $108. And no, you cannot reserve for three days and return early. Then the rate will return to those daily rate. I have never found a way around this. So, when my trip is shorter than 3 days, I have to use bus, taxi, train, etc.Don't do Hertz they are the biggest ripoff. Alamo is a good one I use every time. Just don't use Hertz they are the worst.
Member #4581
12-01-17, 03:31
Well if I have x million euro or whatever is discussed here lately.
I will live in FKK, get delivered 5 star food there, but I will just live in FKK everyday from after lunch till like 11 PM-ish till I go home, and upon arriving home I will order escort for final sex before sleep and she stay to sex me up in following morning.
I will repeat above till I die if I have x million euro cash to burn.
.Since you didn't specify how much is that "x", I suggest you are being too modest in your ambition. You could buy an FKK club in fact with a big enough x and audition the new girls bareback (as a friend of mine said all the club managers do 🤓
And when that is not enough, pick out a girl you fancy and threaten to kick her out due to some fictitious customer complaint; and then fuck her in return for letting her stay.
Just make sure the club has 50 E BBBJ for the rest of us while you enjoy your club ownership, as a penance for all your past writings. LOL.
McAdonis, what I said was in general, that if I have money, etc. Has nothing to do with what the girls just received.
On a side note, regarding car rental, what is it with Germany for a one or two days car rental? I maybe going back to Germany in two weeks and will only have a day or two layover. Hertz one day rental is like $90,2-days $180, but 3-days is $108. And no, you cannot reserve for three days and return early. Then the rate will return to those daily rate. I have never found a way around this. So, when my trip is shorter than 3 days, I have to use bus, taxi, train, etc.Search using rentalcars or kayak. And type in different pick up locations (but always deliver at the same location you got it from). I find the cheapest deals at around 17 euro per day normally. But then I also usually go for the 2nd cheapest class which is around 21 e a day.
BigBuddy69
12-01-17, 06:26
McAdonis, what I said was in general, that if I have money, etc. Has nothing to do with what the girls just received.
On a side note, regarding car rental, what is it with Germany for a one or two days car rental? I maybe going back to Germany in two weeks and will only have a day or two layover. Hertz one day rental is like $90,2-days $180, but 3-days is $108. And no, you cannot reserve for three days and return early. Then the rate will return to those daily rate. I have never found a way around this. So, when my trip is shorter than 3 days, I have to use bus, taxi, train, etc.There are lots of cheaper options than Hertz for car rental in Germany, but you're right, the prices get more interesting when you rent the car for at least 4 days.
Since you didn't specify how much is that "x", I suggest you are being too modest in your ambition. You could buy an FKK club in fact with a big enough x and audition the new girls bareback (as a friend of mine said all the club managers do 🤓
And when that is not enough, pick out a girl you fancy and threaten to kick her out due to some fictitious customer complaint; and then fuck her in return for letting her stay.
Just make sure the club has 50 E BBBJ for the rest of us while you enjoy your club ownership, as a penance for all your past writings. LOL.Is that you Donald?
Since you didn't specify how much is that "x", I suggest you are being too modest in your ambition. You could buy an FKK club in fact with a big enough x and audition the new girls bareback (as a friend of mine said all the club managers do 🤓
And when that is not enough, pick out a girl you fancy and threaten to kick her out due to some fictitious customer complaint; and then fuck her in return for letting her stay.
Just make sure the club has 50 E BBBJ for the rest of us while you enjoy your club ownership, as a penance for all your past writings. LOL.Well it is never good to fuck your own workers, so better to visit, less problem than owning one LOL.
I prefer being the client than owner.
I am sure if you continue to fuck your own girl in FKK as a owner, you be like a famous movie producer situation LOL.
The whole point is us being 50 euro per 30 min kinda guy, so we get away with it LOL.
Though with mild upsell I pay bit more than 50 euro per 30 min for GFE experience LOL.
But for Siri, it is no problem with manner and good attitude LOL.
Polyamorist
12-01-17, 17:43
You could buy an FKK club in fact with a big enough x and audition the new girls bareback (as a friend of mine said all the club managers do 🤓.Ya kebdy 3 aleyk, Jnpr30! Out here we have a saying: "A jamal-tajir 🐫 who cannot keep his fingers out of the camels is sure to give his customers a bumpy ride!" (Yeah I thought it lost something in the translation too.).
But you get the idea. It sucks for a manager to impose on the girls. It drives the quality away, and leaves the remainers cynical, with jaded performances. A point may come where the manager is encouraging the girls to look down on the customers rather than respect them, and then the line has been crossed where the manager is no longer a manager but a pimp.
This is a large part of what gives the industry a bad name, but parallels could be drawn with any industry starting with the movies.
BadinSweet
12-02-17, 00:57
Jnpr30, sounds like a good idea. We should invest with our "X" millions to buy the club. I would work for free as a club manager and screen all the girls for you.
Just returned from a Thanksgiving weekend in Germany and make me realized how out of the league I am, we are. Here on ISG, people discussed how and what they should get for 50 E /100 E session. I talked to couple girls, who became good friends with me. One girl told me about how this one client just took her on a shopping spree of 10,000 Euro with things like LV bag, shoes, etc. Buying her a new car, and transferred her 20 K to her acct for Christmas holidays. This other girl also told me how this one client paid for 3 K business class seat for her to fly to meet him at this one tropical island (don't want to name it, for privacy reason), gave her 10 K for this weekend getaway, etc. (I know this for a fact because I helped her choose the seat on the plane).
Just make me realize that I am so out of the league and cannot compete with such clients. Though the girls enjoy spending time with me but man, a weekend getaway, with that much money, I will suck the guy dick too, LOL.A little late to the conversation here, but just a few thoughts:
While this seems exorbitant when you compare it to the 50 E you're paying for sex (and it is exorbitant on that scale alone) -- I can imagine these guys getting something else for the money they spend, which is to get that look in her eyes, have her excited to see you -- even if she is just excited to see your wallet. I've been frequenting FKKs for awhile, and even with the most enthusiastic performers, it's nice when I get some genuine emotion. I can imagine myself paying for that, if I could afford it.
Of course, you can achieve genuine emotion without spending a lot of money, but it's a lot harder. Getting a non-performative GFE reaction from these girls is like getting the number from the hot bartender -- they see so many guys, they know all the tricks. Heck, it even thrills me in the civilian world when I'm able to show a woman something she hasn't seen before... if she's younger and prettier, all the better. And for some of these guys, who spend little time around beautiful women, and all their time around dudes like them in order to make money, it's hard to develop the social skills to get that reaction from a beautiful woman in any other way.
Well if I have x million euro or whatever is discussed here lately.
I will live in FKK, get delivered 5 star food there, but I will just live in FKK everyday from after lunch till like 11 PM-ish till I go home, and upon arriving home I will order escort for final sex before sleep and she stay to sex me up in following morning. There are a few guys at all of the clubs who are local and live this life already. Heck, one of them posts here regularly! I think you get jaded after awhile. The girls start to get very familiar. I'm often tempted to live like them, but perhaps it's better just to keep it a fantasy. Many of the girls will even talk about these guys and the dangers of being there too often!
There are a few guys at all of the clubs who are local and live this life already. Heck, one of them posts here regularly! I think you get jaded after awhile. The girls start to get very familiar. I'm often tempted to live like them, but perhaps it's better just to keep it a fantasy. Many of the girls will even talk about these guys and the dangers of being there too often!I kind of sometimes feels more I become regular client, service goes up and then it peaked out and then it decline and they become mechanical and they eventually begin to be distant somehow because they realize you are nothing but a Hentai client who pay LOL.
Anyways, yeah I had similar experience. The girl was talking to me about quiting FKK industry few years ago, which she did that I respect.
However, when she was telling me how she is going to quit, she also told me that you too have to quit coming to FKK and think about marry since I am hitting 40's in few years and I am quite presentable appearance well but I admit that with messed up internal view on world which lead me seek life goals in German FKK LOL.
On the same note, I met this African American gents from Miami during this trip, had very nice chat at bar, he told me one wise thing that echoes.
If you marry, marry the girl who is much richer than you, if not do not do it.
I totally agree because if we think about it, we mongers married long time ago, it was a secret marriage called professional mongering LOL.
We pro mongers have two marriage in life if we marry, one is wife and another is prostitutes that we often marry for set period of time.
So based on this mongering is secret marriage rule, I think it is best to marry girl who is much richer than you, if you cannot achieve that, then just marry to monger life. Best of both world and we cannot lose either way.
Rich girl is only choice for marriage give that I can somehow control the situation LOL.
A little late to the conversation here, but just a few thoughts:
While this seems exorbitant when you compare it to the 50 E you're paying for sex (and it is exorbitant on that scale alone) -- I can imagine these guys getting something else for the money they spend, which is to get that look in her eyes, have her excited to see you -- even if she is just excited to see your wallet. I've been frequenting FKKs for awhile, and even with the most enthusiastic performers, it's nice when I get some genuine emotion. I can imagine myself paying for that, if I could afford it.
Of course, you can achieve genuine emotion without spending a lot of money, but it's a lot harder. Getting a non-performative GFE reaction from these girls is like getting the number from the hot bartender -- they see so many guys, they know all the tricks. Heck, it even thrills me in the civilian world when I'm able to show a woman something she hasn't seen before... if she's younger and prettier, all the better. And for some of these guys, who spend little time around beautiful women, and all their time around dudes like them in order to make money, it's hard to develop the social skills to get that reaction from a beautiful woman in any other way.Excellent points. We forget, in a free market the fools will be taken. Most guys with big money are not fools. The talk among those who cannot afford an expensive luxury is often, "it is not worth it, or there is no difference. " That is sometimes true, but in most cases there is a difference. The issue if whether you can afford it. As you become wealthier, you learn to appreciate the subtle differences and seek out the exceptions. Think of it like fine wine. The guy that buys bottles over 100 has trained his palate to appreciate the superior quality that many who have not experienced it will notice or appreciate. The downside is, one you have tasted the best, it is hard to go back.
Rogue Nation
12-02-17, 08:48
it's nice when I get some genuine emotion. I can imagine myself paying for that, if I could afford it.
Of course, you can achieve genuine emotion without spending a lot of money, but it's a lot harder. Getting a non-performative GFE reaction from these girls is like getting the number from the hot bartenderGetting "genuine" emotion (towards yourself as a person and not your money) by paying a lot of money is a contradiction. Usually the girls get their orgasm when you pay them, intensity varying with the amount you pay them.
Getting genuine emotion without paying (or paying a lot) does happen, that is the kick many guys are looking for. Many guys think they achieved it without realizing they are getting played with and still are the ATM most girls see them as. Over the years you develop a kind of relationship to some girls that is not or not only based on money. To some girls. It's pay for sex and that's what it was is in 99% of the time. Or better put: It's pay for the girl's time, so many guys don't even have sex.
BigBuddy69
12-02-17, 09:39
Those guys totally lost touch with reality. There is something else in life than going to saunaclubs. I'm totally aware that I'm getting more and more addicted to those places, spending too much money instead of buying a flat, fixing my car, and so on, but at least I can still enjoy other things in life.
Yea I don't know. I certainly don't feel like a 1 per center with $300 k. Still flying economy class LOL! Yea also with my profession even if I crack $100 million mark I'm certain I won't know any celebrity friends. My social network is just a bunch of quants, nerdy guys good with math, I'm certain at keas.Ex-boss was an engineer. That's why he invested in nightclubs. Trendy ones where beautiful people, athletes, celebrities want to be seen. Although not FKK I am sure he received some auditions.
Those guys totally lost touch with reality. There is something else in life than going to saunaclubs. I'm totally aware that I'm getting more and more addicted to those places, spending too much money instead of buying a flat, fixing my car, and so on, but at least I can still enjoy other things in life.Well I already done other things in life like that and in part I did Cologne cathedral this time round as a cultural part of trip.
I am not addicted to FKK, I think it is not right word, I think I found the place where I can be real me and I am so happy to put my face between different girls ass crack on daily basis knowing I will never see them again.
It is melancholy and sentiment in FKK meeting and on the way back home as I look down Poland or wherever I am flying, somewhere down there, there are girls I fucked back in year 2010 or 2011 or 12 and so on living normal life or even married. I am just sky above you babies LOL LOL.
Mongering is the life and never marry unless the girl is much richer than you, we are monger who hunt tutes, so why not be tute ourselves too LOL.
Ex-boss was an engineer. That's why he invested in nightclubs. Trendy ones where beautiful people, athletes, celebrities want to be seen. Although not FKK I am sure he received some auditions.Investing in lightclubs are more of a gamble than a sound investment, much like restaurant businesses. Investing in those things requires a huge amount of knowledge, work, and dedication to make it, and some luck to make it a hit. There are much safer investments out there with returns much out weighing the "free" auditions. But I believe those "free" audition days are over or at least is over in the States. Now they'll give you the audition, then take the job for awhile and sue you for sexual harassment when you least expect, most likely look for a fat settlement, or even come for ownership of you successful nightclub. All of this takes place in civil court where absolute evidence isn't required and it all comes down to who is more believable. Nah I'll just hope interest rate will be at a healthy level when I hit my 10 million! LOL!
Ex-boss was an engineer. That's why he invested in nightclubs. Trendy ones where beautiful people, athletes, celebrities want to be seen. Although not FKK I am sure he received some auditions.Investing in nightclubs are more of a gamble than a sound investment, much like restaurant businesses. Investing in those things requires a huge amount of knowledge, work, and dedication to make it, and some luck to make it a hit. There are much safer investments out there with returns much out weighing the "free" auditions. But I believe those "free" audition days are over or at least is over in the States. Now they'll give you the audition, then take the job for awhile and sue you for sexual harassment when you least expect, most likely look for a fat settlement, or even come for ownership of you successful nightclub. All of this takes place in civil court where absolute evidence isn't required and it all comes down to who is more believable. Nah I'll just hope interest rate will be at a healthy level when I hit my 10 million! LOL!
Getting genuine emotion without paying (or paying a lot) does happen, that is the kick many guys are looking for. Many guys think they achieved it without realizing they are getting played with and still are the ATM most girls see them as. Over the years you develop a kind of relationship to some girls that is not or not only based on money. To some girls. It's pay for sex and that's what it was is in 99% of the time. Or better put: It's pay for the girl's time, so many guys don't even have sex.Well, if you feel you are getting the emotion, does it even matter if you are getting played? Angelina Jolie is a good actor, but she is only playing. Neither way, we still love some of her movies.
The pay for talking is foolish though. But it is like you say, they subsidize the rest of us.
Mongering is the life and never marry unless the girl is much richer than you, we are monger who hunt tutes, so why not be tute ourselves too LOL.Thats not a joke. I was talking to this hot girl and a friend of hers the other day at a club. The guy starts calling the girl a * since she has apparently fucked plenty of guys. Then she starts laughing but says she is not a tute any longer. She is with the friend of this guy and together now. The guy keeps calling her a * for several minutes and says he can see it in her eyes. A bit later before we are leaving the club the guy says he wants to call up a different girl to see if she wants to fuck. Because he wants pussy now. The girl leaves and I ask him why he doesn't go for this hot apparent * we were just talking to. He says no, because she is a * Inside I am laughing thinking he is a much more open and bigger * than she is. In fact I am too. Most girls are nothing compared to most guys on the * scale. We are the sluts in this world. Too many girls are just restricted and afraid of the label. While we don't give a shit and because we don't give a shit, we don't get the label. Funny how that works.
Those guys totally lost touch with reality. There is something else in life than going to saunaclubs. I'm totally aware that I'm getting more and more addicted to those places, spending too much money instead of buying a flat, fixing my car, and so on, but at least I can still enjoy other things in life.I have been to many world heritage or touch other beautiful cultures since young age beside other beautiful things. , but I tell you son, there is no other place where I feel so accomplished than complete than finding my face between beautiful young stunner ass crack in German FKK LOL.
For me, these young stunner in FKK are more world heritage than real world heritage, of course, these girls get old, then they are shifted to other stage of their life to their husband, it is like sex factory, they move on or we move on as they get older LOL.
Smoke Light
12-03-17, 02:47
For me, these young stunner in FKK are more world heritage than real world heritage, of course, these girls get old, then they are shifted to other stage of their life to their husband, it is like sex factory, they move on or we move on as they get older LOL.Just before my November trip one of my regulars got engaged, posted engagement ring photos on FB, also pics of her fiance, and unfriended me on FB. If she didn't, I would have probably spent 700 or 800 eu taking her out and also to my hotel. LOL good luck to her future husband. Factory processing, indeed, LOL.
Thats not a joke. I was talking to this hot girl and a friend of hers the other day at a club. The guy starts calling the girl a * since she has apparently fucked plenty of guys. Then she starts laughing but says she is not a tute any longer. She is with the friend of this guy and together now. The guy keeps calling her a * for several minutes and says he can see it in her eyes. A bit later before we are leaving the club the guy says he wants to call up a different girl to see if she wants to fuck. Because he wants pussy now. The girl leaves and I ask him why he doesn't go for this hot apparent * we were just talking to. He says no, because she is a * Inside I am laughing thinking he is a much more open and bigger * than she is. In fact I am too. Most girls are nothing compared to most guys on the * scale. We are the sluts in this world. Too many girls are just restricted and afraid of the label. While we don't give a shit and because we don't give a shit, we don't get the label. Funny how that works.Yeah buddy, I am often asked why I am single. I am afraid I cannot answer that question honestly because I have special passion for German cultures and its museums that made me travel all the way to Germany few times per year to visit German special museums where they display various female humans from various cultural back ground LOL.
We often bring in globe Zürich as alternative, which I totally understand the similarity to German FKK beside price and other small differences.
But are there any comparable FKK style club like globe in Geneve Switzerland?
Member #4581
12-03-17, 04:05
Mongering is the life and never marry unless the girl is much richer than you, we are monger who hunt tutes, so why not be tute ourselves too LOL.Yes. Definitely. There are a lot of Paris Hiltons out there: young, pretty and super rich waiting to marry well traveled mongers with worn out dicks. Well, Paris is no longer that young or pretty, so scratch that one.
I bet your currency with them will appreciate if you wait till you are 50. They like it better the older and more weathered the monger is. Like fine wine.
PS. The Samya girl in the photo on this page has an amazing bod.
Yes. Definitely. There are a lot of Paris Hiltons out there: young, pretty and super rich waiting to marry well traveled mongers with worn out dicks. Well, Paris is no longer that young or pretty, so scratch that one.
I bet your currency with them will appreciate if you wait till you are 50. They like it better the older and more weathered the monger is. Like fine wine.
PS. The Samya girl in the photo on this page has an amazing bod.Paris Hilton make her own millions buddy LOL.
Other girls make nothing but spend your money, and take half of million if you or she divorce LOL.
Well, if you feel you are getting the emotion, does it even matter if you are getting played? Angelina Jolie is a good actor, but she is only playing. Neither way, we still love some of her movies.
The pay for talking is foolish though. But it is like you say, they subsidize the rest of us.Why rely on the girl? Just think you look like Brad Pitt and have tons of money so all girls can't wait to fuck you and are so horny. All you have to do is convince yourself that the girl has feelings for you.
Investing in nightclubs are more of a gamble than a sound investment, much like restaurant businesses. Investing in those things requires a huge amount of knowledge, work, and dedication to make it, and some luck to make it a hit. There are much safer investments out there with returns much out weighing the "free" auditions. But I believe those "free" audition days are over or at least is over in the States. Now they'll give you the audition, then take the job for awhile and sue you for sexual harassment when you least expect, most likely look for a fat settlement, or even come for ownership of you successful nightclub. All of this takes place in civil court where absolute evidence isn't required and it all comes down to who is more believable. Nah I'll just hope interest rate will be at a healthy level when I hit my 10 million! LOL!LOL Weinstein spoilt for all of us LOL.
No worry, we still got FKK among other venues around the world, all we got to do is to find it and go there.
Professional mongers always find the way, still we crawl LOL.
Rogue Nation
12-03-17, 09:53
Well, if you feel you are getting the emotion, does it even matter if you are getting played? Angelina Jolie is a good actor, but she is only playing. Neither way, we still love some of her movies.Between feeling the emotion and wanting to feel the emotion and ignoring reality there's a difference. Many men don't mint getting played, obviously.
PussyLiccker
12-03-17, 17:19
Illusions in clubs have pretty died off over the years. WGs have great recall ability based on a guy's spending.
I've met some of the newer young girls that have visual attraction of muscular guys, although the girl will admit it for her for her friend, but noooo, not her. LOL. Let's be realistic, these are girls in their around 20's dealing with bunch of middle aged guys in clubs with disposable income that they'd wouldn't have a chance with such young girls outside the clubs.
Over a span of visits to various clubs, with young guys in attendance, you do see certain girls act differently to certain younger guys, which shows these girls haven't reached the level of pro professionism that has no discrimination of what guys they serve to, which their sensitivity lowers as they experience various types of men.
One instance, an older gentleman pointed out a girl, that she likes to go with young guys, and rejects older men. So, there is subject-ability with certain girls in various clubs, although there are plenty that money matters most, or look for the easy clients.
Although, one may think a girl has feeling for you, you'd really have to look inside in your spending relationship with her, and also keep in mind how generally she interacts with other men, and that girls generally say what you'd like to hear. Most men, don't know beyond their personal interaction with the girl. Some girls are generally very agreeable and friendly.
I've also ran into girls that tells me particular special things about me to up the illusion a lot, and also fluids coming out of her vag claiming she's excited, but this was really that she's one of those types that generally get's wet during sessions. Look outside the box.
LOL Weinstein spoilt for all of us LOL.
No worry, we still got FKK among other venues around the world, all we got to do is to find it and go there.
Professional mongers always find the way, still we crawl LOL.Nah it's not just Weinstein. I've seen this coming a mile away. US will be female dominate in a few decades. Then all of western nations. Capitalism prefer women than men, they spend more and are more easily manipulated to pay for overpriced clothes that's made in China.
As a man in the era, invest and save and spend your money outside of the United States. Too many men getting suckered into marriages still and feeding the female dictate.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/01/for-pittas-sake-eu-parliament-threatens-to-make-doner-kebab-a-goner
So what do you guys think will be the consequences for this if it goes like it seems? What will all the 50 000 Turks and Arabs working in kebabs across Germany do for work instead? And will this mean more Turkish pimping? Or less Turkish clients?
Member #4581
12-04-17, 13:48
I see repeated references to Weinstein and others of his ilk in some sort of victimhood strain, followed by condescending reference to some random feminist. First of all, these guys were absolute scumbags and were not victims of any kind whatsoever. They got what was coming to them and the only shame is that it took so long to flush them out. Secondly, conflating the disgusting and illegal behavior of these louts with the perfectly legal and generally respectful actions of majority of mongers makes no sense. Thirdly, the people claiming that US or other locations are no longer safe for sex is not true. If you got game, you can still score. No game? Then fly and pay.
Smoke Light
12-04-17, 14:16
Thirdly, the people claiming that US or other locations are no longer safe for sex is absolutely not true. The reason mongers fly out to Germany or other places is because they don't have the game to snag chicks of that quality unless they pay.Jnpr30,
I respectfully disagree. There is a separate ISG forum dedicated to American women, but the reason mongers travel outside of the US is personal safety, security, and privacy. If you mongering in the US and caught by police you ruin your life. US is a horrible and stressful place for mongering. I am afraid your statement could mislead people to think otherwise.
Nah it's not just Weinstein. I've seen this coming a mile away. US will be female dominate in a few decades. Then all of western nations. Capitalism prefer women than men, they spend more and are more easily manipulated to pay for overpriced clothes that's made in China.
As a man in the era, invest and save and spend your money outside of the United States. Too many men getting suckered into marriages still and feeding the female dictate.Right on buddy, we got Germany, Brazil, Austria and Zurich etc LOL.
Above we got many wife for few hours and our wives are all young and never change as we change LOL.
Jnpr30,
I respectfully disagree. There is a separate ISG forum dedicated to American women, but the reason mongers travel outside of the US is personal safety, security, and privacy. If you mongering in the US and caught by police you ruin your life. US is a horrible and stressful place for mongering. I am afraid your statement could mislead people to think otherwise.Jnpr30 wrote that USA is "safe for sex". He never wrote that USA is safe for mongering. So it appears that you are disagreeing with something that he never wrote. Of course, I am sure he will clarify.
Watched Wonder woman earlier, terrible movie, although the star Gal Gadot is a stunning lady.
I thought it was amusing that Wonder woman and her amazonian sisters all had accents very similar to the Romanian ladies of hoormany.
https://youtu.be/VSB4wGIdDwo
Smoke Light
12-05-17, 00:56
Jnpr30 wrote that USA is "safe for sex". He never wrote that USA is safe for mongering. So it appears that you are disagreeing with something that he never wrote. Of course, I am sure he will clarify.I appreciate your comment, I admit that I didn't quite understand "safe for sex" regarding USA. A clarification would be nice.
Member #4581
12-05-17, 03:45
I appreciate your comment, I admit that I didn't quite understand "safe for sex" regarding USA. A clarification would be nice.Thanks McA. He is quite accurate in his read of my intent and my comment.
BTW, there was this experienced monger, forgot his name (Wanker88 or some such moniker) who wrote extensively during the summer and I think he mongered a lot in the US. I am a wuss and have chickened from doing any such thing but our summer friend assured us it was quite safe.
In any case, there are now dozens of sex dating sites. I saw one such site which shows hundreds of pretty girls (and their actual photos and what they will do and what they need) in 50 miles radius from me. That's just one. There are several more, all of them looking to match sugar daddies with their sugar babies. Anyone tried them?
Here is one link.
The NYT article is dated.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/magazine/12sugardaddies-t.html
But this Atlantic piece is more recent.
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/09/how-sugar-daddies-are-financing-college-education/379533/
Remember how all the FKK girls claim to be studying in some university? Per this Atlantic article, and Atlantic is a pretty reputed publication, these are girls from NYU Colombia, and Princeton! Princeton for god’s sake. And the amounts mentioned are not huge, ranging from a few hundreds to a few thousands. Many of the high rollers on this site are spending far more, I bet. But then some are the kind that BadIn talked of - men with several millions in bank. One guy just gave his credit card to his sugar baby. Hmm. That needs a lot of guts.
Bottomline: pay for sex happens here in the US, safely and abundantly, especially under more nuanced formats and more sophisticated branding.
I see repeated references to Weinstein and others of his ilk in some sort of victimhood strain, followed by condescending reference to some random feminist. First of all, these guys were absolute scumbags and were not victims of any kind whatsoever. They got what was coming to them and the only shame is that it took so long to flush them out. Secondly, conflating the disgusting and illegal behavior of these louts with the perfectly legal and generally respectful actions of majority of mongers makes no sense. Thirdly, the people claiming that US or other locations are no longer safe for sex is not true. If you got game, you can still score. No game? Then fly and pay.I'd just like to express my agreement with your first point, that Weinstein and his ilk are contemptible. Most of the personalities I usually meet in FKKs are mild-mannered "nice" guys that just aren't as successful with women as they'd like to be. I think the fact that the clientele mostly consists of these types makes the job less of a nightmare than many outside of this world would believe it to be. But every once in awhile, I meet an FKK client who is working out some real anger and entitlement issues about women, and I imagine those guys are more likely to identify with Weinstein than condemn him.
I agree with your second point too, that it's wrong to conflate FKK-goers with these guys. To my point about the mild-mannered making up most of the FKK clients, I think a lot of the clientele is made up of guys who have trouble with the intricacies of interacting with women, don't have it in themselves to be the douchebags that usually win the hot chicks, and are better able to grok the idea of exchanging services for money. Unfortunately, I can see outsiders having trouble with this, and viewing it all under the rubric of female exploitation.
About your third point, I'm not sure I understand, but I echo the sentiment expressed elsewhere in this thread -- I'd never do this in the USA, because the legal consequences seem considerable, and the cultural backlash and societal penalty seems much stronger here. I have friends who have done it, and swear that third-party verification makes it super-safe, but even if you avoid the long arm of the law, you still leave yourself open for blackmail because of how sexually conservative the USA Is. [edit: Jnpr30 explained, I get it]
Weinstein did FKK weinsteine where he used his power in the industry and do it without will.
We mongers go to FKK Germany where we use our money power over girls and girls will decided to do it.
I do strangely do give some level of respect for their brave decision to work in FKK, it is not easy job.
However, we do take not advantage of girls or situation to some extent, and I know some going to say we also help them too as we fund their unfortunate strategy.
Well someones unfortune is someone elses fortune is what is going on depend on how we look at it.
Rogue Nation
12-05-17, 15:31
all the FKK girls claim to be studying in some university? Per this Atlantic article, and Atlantic is a pretty reputed publication, these are girls from NYU Colombia, and Princeton! Princeton for gods sake. And the amounts mentioned are not huge, ranging from a few hundreds to a few thousands. Don't have to go that far. I've fucked a German 21 year old student for a ridiculously small amount of EUR in a 5 hour date we had. Was the first time she had sex in exchange for a present. A lucky shot but not impossible.
Remember how all the FKK girls claim to be studying in some university? Per this Atlantic article, and Atlantic is a pretty reputed publication, these are girls from NYU Colombia, and Princeton! Princeton for gods sake. And the amounts mentioned are not huge, ranging from a few hundreds to a few thousands..This is not surprising, a big sorority in my University was pretty much an escort agency for other male students from rich families. The first frat party I went to had girls from that sorority offering sex for $5 k per night. I didn't have much money back then but my rich friend picked one he liked and fucked for like 6 months everyday. He was some super rich Chinese guy "studying" in the States.
As you guys know, I was in Germany one week ago. In Duss and Fra.
Last year I was in Berlin and one week later there was bus attack. I was walking there.
This year in Feb. I was in Duss, one week later there was a bus attack.
This year now in Nov., I was in Duss taking train to GT Bruggen and now that I come back one week later, there was a mild train crush there.
What is this scary fact.
I just read this in news and train was going from Duss to Holland so I guess it is Venlo train?
Polyamorist
12-06-17, 14:35
I agree with your second point too, that it's wrong to conflate FKK-goers with these guys. To my point about the mild-mannered making up most of the FKK clients, I think a lot of the clientele is made up of guys who have trouble with the intricacies of interacting with women, don't have it in themselves to be the douchebags that usually win the hot chicks, and are better able to grok the idea of exchanging services for money. Unfortunately, I can see outsiders having trouble with this, and viewing it all under the rubric of female exploitation.
Salaam Jmioffe, so true, everything you wrote. Most of the FKK girls I know are pretty confident and more in control of their own destinies than the girls left at home in the factories and offices making two bucks an hour. If anybody is exploited, it is the guys, especially some of the more naive Japanese and Scandinavians coming to the tourist clubs.
In a big US city you would need $500 to fuck any girl better than a junkie. This means if guys want quality sex with a range of women on a regular basis they better be one-percenters. But in Germany it's different. In the early 80's a guy called Bernd had this idea: how about opening up sex to the middle classes? You could go along to his house on the weekend and there would be the local chiropractor and pub owner and whatever. All of these regular useful guys getting hot chicks every week. It was like the democratization of sex, and I think the girls benefited too because they were exposed to a wide range of middle-class values. Compare that to the US model where the girls have come to accept that they should only fuck corporate sociopaths -- to the extent that they actively look for sociopathic qualities before agreeing to fuck someone. So those values bounce back to the "beta males" and bounce back again to the few remaining nice girls and basically keep circulating until everything is fucked up because sex has been taken away from Main Street.
And every now and again somebody goes postal.
Can you still get decent BJ in FKK?
We all have pictures in our heads of the lives of the workers. From time to time I get lucky and have (I think) reliable anecdotes.
1. The girl who saw a colleague meet an older steady guy meet for coffee, and a nice donation of euros, and then thought that was a good option. So she went out with a young party guy who did drugs and she ended up in hospital, career probably ruined, and too scared to give the Police info.
2. Girls sometimes get pregnant, either through forgetting the pills, or replying on condoms. Sometimes they even keep the child, bring it up, having no idea who the father is.
3. Girls sometimes get sexual infections which prevent them working for weeks, all the while they have rent to pay, and family to support.
All this to say nothing of the longterm health risks (cervical cancer).
This makes me think that some of the girls earn every penny and deserve more.
And no, I am not a White Knight looking for girls to rescue, and my views on the greedy Precious Princesses, who want 100 euros just to look at you as a human being have been written many times. This post is I guess the other side of the story, the stories of some girls who work hard and are kind.
One guy has recently been banned from a club because he posted about its services in some detail, and as a result the club was able to identify him, and then ban him.
Member #4585
12-07-17, 22:15
One guy has recently been banned from a club because he posted about its services in some detail, and as a result the club was able to identify him, and then ban him.Yeah I heard this too. Such a shame.
Member #4585
12-07-17, 22:16
replying on condoms. Could you explain more what replying on condoms means?
One guy has recently been banned from a club because he posted about its services in some detail, and as a result the club was able to identify him, and then ban him.People need to keep in mind that this is a public forum that is open to everyone. The rule that I use is if I would be offended if someone were to talk about me here.
Could you explain more what replying on condoms means?Sorry, it was an autocorrect. I wrote "relying". Some girls (no idea if many or few) use condoms as their only method of birth control, and of course, they are not 100% effective.
Vito Corleone
12-08-17, 05:40
2. Girls sometimes get pregnant, either through forgetting the pills, or replying on condoms. Sometimes they even keep the child, bring it up, having no idea who the father is.It's a cycle. I'm sure these girls never met their fathers either!
In this era and time, when with just bit of money we can fuck many beautiful girls as we want with different skin color and cultural back grounds and ethnicity, what is the point getting marry unless the girl you marry is way richer than you.
Once upon a time not so long years ago, these FKK girl was hottest girl in school and we are fucking them for 50 euro per 30 min.
We are the kind penis of the world.
Member #4581
12-08-17, 14:46
Was the report he posted negative? And was it inaccurate? The club banned a guy merely based on identifying him and matching his report? I think a lot of girls can somewhat guess the identity of some commenters or even know it for a fact.
Once upon a time, I posted a detailed report about my dispute with a girl, how I took her to the front desk and even the manager was involved for a lengthy time. There should have been no difficulty identifying me, and I was not banned.
It's a cycle. I'm sure these girls never met their fathers either!And in many cases their fathers upped and left. My success is due to me being a substitute father to these girls LOL.
Was the report he posted negative? And was it inaccurate? The club banned a guy merely based on identifying him and matching his report? I think a lot of girls can somewhat guess the identity of some commenters or even know it for a fact.
Once upon a time, I posted a detailed report about my dispute with a girl, how I took her to the front desk and even the manager was involved for a lengthy time. There should have been no difficulty identifying me, and I was not banned.Jnpr30. You are right to say that being identified in no way normally leads to a ban. For years at one club I was known by the management and had nothing but support from them.
I just wanted to report that in certain circumstances, reporting in certain ways can lead to problems for the poster. I will not give more details as I do not want to be seen to be restarting the debate about what is wise to post since July 1.
BigBuddy69
12-08-17, 19:22
In this era and time, when with just bit of money we can fuck many beautiful girls as we want with different skin color and cultural back grounds and ethnicity, what is the point getting marry unless the girl you marry is way richer than you.Maybe if you want something more than sex, no?
Maybe if you want something more than sex, no?You still don't have to marry in order to have something more or other than sex with a woman. Indeed, you can do pretty much everything that a married couple can do. Marriage license is just a piece of paper. It's not absolutely required to have in order to have something more than a sexual relationship.
We all have pictures in our heads of the lives of the workers. From time to time I get lucky and have (I think) reliable anecdotes.
1. The girl who saw a colleague meet an older steady guy meet for coffee, and a nice donation of euros, and then thought that was a good option. So she went out with a young party guy who did drugs and she ended up in hospital, career probably ruined, and too scared to give the Police info.
2. Girls sometimes get pregnant, either through forgetting the pills, or replying on condoms. Sometimes they even keep the child, bring it up, having no idea who the father is.
3. Girls sometimes get sexual infections which prevent them working for weeks, all the while they have rent to pay, and family to support.
All this to say nothing of the longterm health risks (cervical cancer).
This makes me think that some of the girls earn every penny and deserve more.
And no, I am not a White Knight looking for girls to rescue, and my views on the greedy Precious Princesses, who want 100 euros just to look at you as a human being have been written many times. This post is I guess the other side of the story, the stories of some girls who work hard and are kind.Who cares about the fucking girls? They deserve 50, or whatever is the price. If they don't like it, get normal job like everyone else. These girls are all hot enough, smart and young enough the finding a job shouldn't be a problem.
And in many cases their fathers upped and left. My success is due to me being a substitute father to these girls LOL.They're selling you an illusion. Women are a lot more head strong and independent than you think.
Loads of young Germans survive on very low wages.
They're selling you an illusion. Women are a lot more head strong and independent than you think.
Loads of young Germans survive on very low wages.That is great news, I will pay for the sexual illusion raising her economy LOL.
Maybe if you want something more than sex, no?More? You should see my Panasonic super high tech laundry machine and other high tech things which takes better care of me than humans and they do not complain as long as you supply them electricity LOL.
Vito Corleone
12-09-17, 02:49
Who cares about the fucking girls? They deserve 50, or whatever is the price. If they don't like it, get normal job like everyone else. These girls are all hot enough, smart and young enough the finding a job shouldn't be a problem.I care about the girls & their tough family situations at home. I really feel sorry for these women. It depends, but I've sent many poor girls western union.
Jnpr30. You are right to say that being identified in no way normally leads to a ban. For years at one club I was known by the management and had nothing but support from them.
I just wanted to report that in certain circumstances, reporting in certain ways can lead to problems for the poster. I will not give more details as I do not want to be seen to be restarting the debate about what is wise to post since July 1.Let me guess, name the girls who provide BBBJ among other services LOL.
So far, I did not face problem about BBBJ after July 1st, but let see when the problem kicks in, I do read on forum about Artemis being quite tough environment for that, but I stopped going there due to LU quality, so I do not know yet, but I did not face any BBBJ problem in any club so far.
Who cares about the fucking girls? They deserve 50, or whatever is the price. If they don't like it, get normal job like everyone else. These girls are all hot enough, smart and young enough the finding a job shouldn't be a problem.But they have to BBBJ during interview with employer LOL.
Once a tute, always be a tute one way or another, it is addictive job.
I hear, I will quit in x years, they never quit till they cannot do it anymore physically.
I always find same girls years after years claiming this is their last year, 90% or more, they never fully quit the job.
BigBuddy69
12-09-17, 07:30
Who cares about the fucking girls?Normally, all the guys who sleep with them. If you just want to empty your balls, watch porn and buy a Fleshlight.
They deserve 50, or whatever is the price. If they don't like it, get normal job like everyone else. These girls are all hot enough, smart and young enough the finding a job shouldn't be a problem.Maybe you didn't realize it but most of those girls come from Eastern Europe where finding a well paid job is not so easy.
They're selling you an illusion. Women are a lot more head strong and independent than you think.
Loads of young Germans survive on very low wages.The use of LOL at the end of my post was meant as an alert to a self-deprecatory wry comment. Sorry you didn't get that.
You think I am so stupid I don't know the girls sell illusions?
Who cares about the fucking girls? They deserve 50, or whatever is the price. If they don't like it, get normal job like everyone else. These girls are all hot enough, smart and young enough the finding a job shouldn't be a problem.I didn't ask you to care.
Is caring an issue for you since you raise it?
A romanian gypsy with basic education has almost zero chance of a job n Romania with enough money to pay for accommodation and bring and up a child. Options are to work in Germany or hope to find a Romanian man with a job and no penchant for beating up women.
I do agree that 50 is a good earning rate per half hour. Five sessions and that is a Romanian monthly wage
I care about the girls & their tough family situations at home. I really feel sorry for these women. It depends, but I've sent many poor girls western union.Wow respect, I mean once I become regular, sometimes I begin to not have feeling, but I develop some kind of care, but then my conscious kicks in tells me not to as it can be dangerous that I get deeply involved than maybe I am supposed to.
However, furthest I went is to take them in my hotel room few times, which cost me ah. Much more than in FKK, maybe it was her trick LOL.
But they have to BBBJ during interview with employer LOL.
Once a tute, always be a tute one way or another, it is addictive job.
I hear, I will quit in x years, they never quit till they cannot do it anymore physically.
I always find same girls years after years claiming this is their last year, 90% or more, they never fully quit the job.Every girl is a tute weayher she takes money directly or indirectly. And all guys are even more tutes than girls.
The reason why men and society don't care so much if men are tutes is that we use more our left half of the brain (logic) while women use heir right half more (emotions and feelings). So the logical thing would be two fuck around a lot to see who would be your best partner and experience different things. While the emotional thing would be to listen to what others deem to be good and nice behavior.
And many men in this world is sickening protectionist regarding siblings, cousins, women of their own country, race etc etc. And women listen because they are emotional.
Member #4581
12-09-17, 22:11
Many of these girls have lousy spending habits. Some of them make 50 to 100 grand a year working in the clubs, after entry fee and living expenses in Germany. One would think that's plenty enough if they save it wisely and spend carefully back home; but they splurge on useless things and quickly run out of cash and back in the market selling tits and ass.
MyTwoInches
12-09-17, 22:18
It's funny reading the sermons and pontificating from a few wise guys about the perils of marriage. I am not married but I wouldn't presume to lecture anyone which way is better to go. I don't see the married guys lecturing the unmarried guys to get hitched. But the unmarried guys (well, a couple of them mainly) constantly lecture the married folk about how smart they are to have stayed single. I wonder if these guys have a chip on their shoulders and feeling insecure.
Thanks McA. He is quite accurate in his read of my intent and my comment.
Don't give me too much credit. You used the word "game". So I wasn't sure if you were talking about civilian dating scene or a sugar daddy sponsoring a sugar baby.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/12/magazine/12sugardaddies-t.html
But this Atlantic piece is more recent.
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/09/how-sugar-daddies-are-financing-college-education/379533/
Remember how all the FKK girls claim to be studying in some university? Per this Atlantic article, and Atlantic is a pretty reputed publication, these are girls from NYU Colombia, and Princeton! Princeton for gods sake. And the amounts mentioned are not huge, ranging from a few hundreds to a few thousands. Many of the high rollers on this site are spending far more, I bet. But then some are the kind that BadIn talked of - men with several millions in bank. One guy just gave his credit card to his sugar baby. Hmm. That needs a lot of guts.
Reading your articles, I come way with this: the sugar daddy / sugar baby dynamic has less overlap with the FKK customer / WG dynamic than I previously thought.
One sugar baby noted that most of the men she met on the dating site were business executives, whereas FKK customers can come from almost any walk of life.
The article paints the picture that these rich men are looking for intellect, not a skinny, white, blonde sorority bimbo. Many men who attend FKK want this exclusively.
The author says the sugar daddies want sugar babies that understand what they do at work and can converse on topics that the sugar daddy finds interesting. In that sense, it makes, the illusion more real for the sugar daddy. I don't think most FKK customers want a smart girl to connect with intellectually. These WGs are street-smart and emotionally-smart, but not always book smart. Often, their English allows them to communicate, but usually their proficiency is not at the level that they are able to understand the nuances of say American or British humor. You certainly aren't going to ask the girl for advice on how to manage your investment portfolio.
Sugar daddies avoid speaking about or handing over money. They prefer to give the sugar baby a credit card in her name, because otherwise it ruins the illusion. In an FKK setting, a monger is literally hovering at the money lockers watching his WG get paid by another customer. FKK customers know they are interacting with a prostitute, as much as they try to forget.
Rogue Nation
12-09-17, 22:50
Many of these girls have lousy spending habits. Some of them make 50 to 100 grand a year working in the clubs, after entry fee and living expenses in Germany. One would think that's plenty enough if they save it wisely and spend carefully back home; but they splurge on useless things and quickly run out of cash and back in the market selling tits and ass.How many girls make 100 k€ per year after having paid entrance and living expenses? And how many of those are keeping the money they make?
Member #4581
12-10-17, 00:16
Don't give me too much credit. You used the word "game". So I wasn't sure if you were talking about civilian dating scene or a sugar daddy sponsoring a sugar baby.
You are right. My original comment, which was a response to someone else who was lamenting that sex in the US had become too hard to obtain and too dangerous to seek (due to the various reasons, including the feminist issues he referenced) -- I said that is not quite accurate; sex between consenting adults does happen after hooking up in bars, clubs, various other places. The "if you have game you can score" comment is related to that topic.
Then in a follow up reply, I brought up paid monger sex (which Mongerer88 and others said is generally safe in the US), and then I also brought up the sugar daddy stuff.
IMO those NYT and Atlantic mag articles should be read as providing some idea and outline but I am not sure we should read them literally. The thing to understand is that people try to get around the taboo and legal issues related to prostitution in the US through a variety of loopholes. For me, the takeaway was that pay for sex is not illegal if the sex is combined with something else -- companionship, a small unrelated service... you are paying for the something else part and the sex is incidental. When you can't have open FKK systems as in Germany, people get creative. But other than that, I would n't read too much else. If you take a quick look at the girls in a few of those sites, they are all over the place looking for a quick casual encounter to monthly allowance to a shopping spree or two or a travel to some nice location and what not. The only difference between these sites and a site like match.com is that girls understand sex is on the table within first few meetings and that there is explicit money for sex exchange.
Smoke Light
12-10-17, 01:32
While "sugar daddy" system vs. "if you have game you can score" vs. "FKK" system often come up in the same dialog, the fundamental differences between them take root in the legality of each model.
"Sugar daddy" presents itself as a "relationship" system. It quickly stockpiles attributes like credit cards, expensive gifts (jewelry, cars), apartment rent payments, paid education expenses, and so on. Because relationships are legal, and prostitution is not.
"If you have game you can score" is a "relationship" by its definition. Legal with potential further allegations of sexual abuse, "MeToo" posts and more. Good luck with your game, gentlemen!
The FKK however, or any brothel, or a chica bar, are "sex fantasy" systems. Real physical non-virtual sex, because prostitution is legal. Never in my life a web site and jumping hoops to meet a girl can compete with a cohort of WGs sitting on the opposite couch in an FKK club. It's a land of pleasure incompatible with any relationship-based systems.
Member #4581
12-10-17, 02:06
How many girls make 100 k per year after having paid entrance and living expenses? And how many of those are keeping the money they make?Don't know. You are the expert. However, whether they make 50 K or 100 K or just 25 K (after entry fee and living expenses and lover boy cut) -- whatever that amount is -- the point is, they seem to fritter it away. Per Optimist comment and other available data, cost of living and general income levels in Romania are low. Hence, even if they saved just 30 grand in 18 months, they can use it as a base and build some regular life around it. But so many of them run out of that money and back to selling T&A.
Don't know. You are the expert. However, whether they make 50 K or 100 K or just 25 K (after entry fee and living expenses and lover boy cut) -- whatever that amount is -- the point is, they seem to fritter it away. Per Optimist comment and other available data, cost of living and general income levels in Romania are low. Hence, even if they saved just 30 grand in 18 months, they can use it as a base and build some regular life around it. But so many of them run out of that money and back to selling T&A.When you are in a situation where there are many poor people around you, they are constantly asking you for help. It is hard to turn away the various family members in need of help. We do not appreciate the vagaries of a poor life in a country without social services.
Rogue Nation
12-10-17, 09:27
Making a lot of money leads to spending a lot of money for many girls. Taxi instead of public transportation, hotel instead of apartment, restaurant instead of home cooking, Prada instead of H&M.
There's "boyfriends" who take their girls out shopping to make them spend their money. So they have to stay and work. That's the money left after they paid their daily share of 300-500€. A strategy that works out for many guys.
Sugar daddies avoid speaking about or handing over money. They prefer to give the sugar baby a credit card in her name, because otherwise it ruins the illusion. In an FKK setting, a monger is literally hovering at the money lockers watching his WG get paid by another customer. FKK customers know they are interacting with a prostitute, as much as they try to forget.I don't ever try to forget LOLOLOL! I like the open, transparent nature of it all. No bullshitting yourself or anybody else! It is what it is, and that's what I like about it. And don't anybody forget that ha!
Per Optimist comment and other available data, cost of living and general income levels in Romania are low. Hence, even if they saved just 30 grand in 18 months, they can use it as a base and build some regular life around it.Probably half of Romanians only use cash. Partly this is due to tax avoidance. Bank accounts, pensions, insurances, tax-sheltered retirement accounts, stocks or bonds, or most things that compound in interest (or combat inflation) are almost non-existent.
I suppose Bitcoin is becoming a viable investment option (that both earns yield and is difficult for tax authorities to track). I would argue that is easier and safer to hide and transfer than say a safe filled with cash.
Romanians seem to have a different mindset when it comes to saving. Its hard for someone from a stable rich western nation to judge. Triple digit inflation back in the 1990's, high-levels of corruption and unemployment is just not our reality. Perhaps their mindset is to spend their money and enjoy it before the next time their government fails them. Also, we are talking about emigrants here. Disproportionate spending on visible goods and "conspicuous consumerism" tend to be higher in these communities.
Mongerer88
12-10-17, 16:12
Then in a follow up reply, I brought up paid monger sex (which Mongerer88 and others said is generally safe in the US), and then I also brought up the sugar daddy stuff..This is a good article from USA Sex worker to other potential sex workers that really describes how it works in the USA When the system is safe for the customer and the sex worker.
https://jezebel.com/5955918/some-things-to-consider-when-you-think-you-want-to-be-a-prostitute
It wouldn't work for most guys who like the FKKs.
It is expensive, there is little or no anonymity, and there is definitely no club atmosphere where a guy meets many women and selects a few. Decisions are largely made by reading reviews and learning whose reviews you can trust.
Essentially, the key is for her to make sure the customer is not a cop or a dangerous person (which is done through screening that often includes his presence on review boards, and references), and of course for him to make sure she isn't a cop or a dangerous rip-off flake, which is most often done by reading her reviews, seeing who else the reviewer has reviewed, and seeing how she advertises. If she isn't a cop, and the customer isn't a cop, and if they are fornicating in a private place such as a hotel room or incall apartment that has no risk of police intrusion, there is really no risk.
Not exactly an ideal system, and of course most stray from it. But if you review arrests and busts, they almost never involve independent escorts who screen or a very small agency operating in a local area that screens and doesn't go overboard on publicly advertising. But for those that want to feel completely safe, nothing is safer than an expensive independent escort who does a lot of screening. The cops in the USA Leave those ladies alone.
It's funny reading the sermons and pontificating from a few wise guys about the perils of marriage. I am not married but I wouldn't presume to lecture anyone which way is better to go. I don't see the married guys lecturing the unmarried guys to get hitched. But the unmarried guys (well, a couple of them mainly) constantly lecture the married folk about how smart they are to have stayed single. I wonder if these guys have a chip on their shoulders and feeling insecure.I'm not here to pontificate to anybody about anything. It's to each his own and do what works for you. That's what I do, and that's what everybody else should do too. What I find funny is how some talk about the forum as a place to share info and ideas. But then when that's what goes down, they get upset when somebody has a thought, idea, or passion different from their own. People need to know how to agree to disagree without getting upset about somebody else's views that may differ from their own, even if those views are stated strongly. Be confident in you and what you do and believe in, and let the rest roll off of your back!
Neurosynth
12-10-17, 17:04
The reason why men and society don't care so much if men are tutes is that we use more our left half of the brain (logic) while women use heir right half more (emotions and feelings). There is no scientific basis for this. It's a myth that men are more logical than women, and it's a myth the brain is divided left and right between logic and emotions.
I'm not here to pontificate to anybody about anything. It's to each his own and do what works for you. That's what I do, and that's what everybody else should do too. What I find funny is how some talk about the forum as a place to share info and ideas. But then when that's what goes down, they get upset when somebody has a thought, idea, or passion different from their own. People need to know how to agree to disagree without getting upset about somebody else's views that may differ from their own, even if those views are stated strongly. Be confident in you and what you do and believe in, and let the rest roll off of your back!These words should be on the front page of the forum.
Nicely put
I think most guys would marry the perfect wife. Finding that perfect wife is not easy though. They are a limited stock. In FKK's we find some of these limited stock specimens and can have some intimate time with them. I believe many guys here would love to marry some of these top girls they see in FKKs. But it can be hard for some to differentiate between reality and fiction. And true or wrong feelings in FKK's. So perhaps the idea that being single is the best choice is part of a strategy to also persuade oneself into not falling in the love trap while in FKK's. We do know some girls are smart at abusing it. Western Union etc.
Member #4581
12-11-17, 04:53
In many Western societies, women are already a substantial part of workforce. While they are not yet making as much as the men on a society-wide basis, fact is that many women are already making more than men. I personally know several families in which the man is making less than his wife, or even a few where the man had to abandon his career to run the household and raise the kids because wife was making more $$ and they needed one spouse to take care of kids.
So, the members commenting from Asia and third word (where women are generally relegated to lower level roles) may feel it is better not to marry because in their experience man provides for the woman. In the West, things are already not so stark and current trends are that more women are enrolling in colleges, so in 20 years from now it is quite possible that women in the West feel they don't need to marry because why do they need to support men?
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/08/why-men-are-the-new-college-minority/536103/
So, the members commenting from Asia and third word (where women are generally relegated to lower level roles) may feel it is better not to marry because in their experience man provides for the woman. In the West, things are already not so stark and current trends are that more women are enrolling in colleges, so in 20 years from now it is quite possible that women in the West feel they don't need to marry because why do they need to support men?Most women will still marry men even if the man cannot or will not provide. They will care more about the male's appearance than their earnings. The easiest example of this is the FKK tutes and how many fishes they support. Even the most cold tute will have a soft spot for a fish. However, unlike the high income earners of the west, most of these tutes will not sustain a high income for a majority of their lives. Their peak earnings will be in their 20's and maybe early 30's if they have good genes. A professional women in the states will peak out much later in their late 30's or mid 40's with inflationary growth till they retire. A lot of these professional women will like to have a boy toy around, and a lot will actually marry their boy toy. I think in order for western men to have success with marriage, they will have to do the same thing women has done in the past, be in good shape, be good looking (plastic surgery maybe) and have "game. " Income will be less and less of a factor as the years go on. I think for a western women, marrying for money will be laughable in 20 years.
In the meantime, many tutes I talked to regardless of origin all have the same story of how much money they could've saved for themselves if they didn't support a fish in their early career, and some still fall for the same trap late in their career. They tell me it's hard for them to find a man, it's true, very few man would be interested in dating a FKK tute for marriage. Then a nice young and fit man comes in to a club and show these tutes any interest makes their cold hearts melt. It's not just Romanian girls falling for fishes, it's a game where the girls don't want to escape even if they can.
In FKK's some girls makes a lot of money while other girls don't make much at all. So a few rules of thumb I have while in Germany is to share the wealth to some degree. For a long time I always had one holy rule I had to stick to. I had to try out one new girl every single day at an FKK. Lately I have started staying in Germany / aut / NL for longer periods. Average trips for me now is 5 days compared to previous 3-4 day average. So now I have lessened that to at least trying 3 new girls per trip of 5 days, or 5 new girls on a 1 week trip. The rest I can make repeats at.
The biggest mistake one can make at an FKK is to have a girl feel she owns you. Then service falls, and she may sometimes feel eligible to upsell you to longer rooms.
Sometimes I skip one of my favourites for a visit or two also. It doesn't mean I dislike her or are tired of her pussy, but it means that I am a free soul. If the options are not around for reserve girls, or if I have already depleted the current lineup, its time to move on and visit another club. Can even leave at 9 or 10 pm to go to another club. Preferably I feelt it can be best to rotate a minimum of 5 favourite girls for repeat levels in one club. If you do 3 of them per visit.
The saying is if you want to marry a girl, you should be committed and show faithfullness first. Then her ring finger will come later. You cannot demand the ring finger before you first show your commitment. But this is FKK land, and in my opinion the rules change when we pay. So even if I skip a favourite for 1 or 2 visits, I can still love her / them. I just share the love and wealth as a free person with no ring attached.
So, any other inputs on this? What is your strategy?
So, the members commenting from Asia and third word (where women are generally relegated to lower level roles) may feel it is better not to marry because in their experience man provides for the woman.
Lots of these anti-marriage men are from Western countries. Or presumably countries where divorce law grants half to the spouse with lower net worth.
Given your writings on saving, you don't seem like the type to wear a watch or drive an expensive luxury car. So you may not attract gold diggers like others here might.
Others here might also put themselves in situations where gold digging is encouraged. Advertising your net worth on a dating site. On first date, talking about how many people you manage or how you constantly travel for work. Post photos of your exotic vacations on FB.
Rogue Nation
12-11-17, 17:17
The biggest mistake one can make at an FKK is to have a girl feel she owns you. Then service falls, and she may sometimes feel eligible to upsell you to longer rooms.Or the opposite may happen. Over a certain period. Better service. Free extras. Longer rooms for standard rates. YMMV.
So, any other inputs on this? What is your strategy?For me it's very, very simple. I fuck who I want to in the club when I want to. And that's it! I don't like a bunch of unnecessary complications in my life. That would make going to the FKKs less fun!
So in 20 years from now it is quite possible that women in the West feel they don't need to marry because why do they need to support men?Men and women are always going to need each other as partners of some sort. For women, it isn't so much about taking care of a man as it is about taking care of her kids. It's easy to be a deadbeat dad and walk away, but no so easy for a woman to do that. She birthed those kids, and they are with her. If she isn't working and staying at home, then she needs somebody out there being the breadwinner and providing for her and those kids. And if she is working, well the need for childcare doesn't go away, and the cost of that is so expensive that it can easily suck up virtually all of her income. So again, often times there needs to be that other breadwinner who can provide. Unless, maybe it's a Mr. Mom who stays home and takes care of the kids. There are guys out there doing that, but at least in the United States, that's the exception rather than the rule. Either the man goes to work and the woman stays home, or they both work and one's salary goes to pay for high daycare costs. But any way you cut it, men need women and women need men. At some level one way or the other.
In FKK's some girls makes a lot of money while other girls don't make much at all. So a few rules of thumb I have while in Germany is to share the wealth to some degree. For a long time I always had one holy rule I had to stick to. I had to try out one new girl every single day at an FKK. Lately I have started staying in Germany / aut / NL for longer periods. Average trips for me now is 5 days compared to previous 3-4 day average. So now I have lessened that to at least trying 3 new girls per trip of 5 days, or 5 new girls on a 1 week trip. The rest I can make repeats at.
The biggest mistake one can make at an FKK is to have a girl feel she owns you. Then service falls, and she may sometimes feel eligible to upsell you to longer rooms.You know me and I don't agree with you, better for me to have only 1 girl in 1 club to get the best from her, then no jealousy, no do you behave the same with her? WGs and many guys are jealous, reason why I don't name anymore some of my top girls, but I get what I want from my girls, with my strategy and my manners, I get the prettiest for my tastes, so it's just OK for me since 5 years. When it doesn't work anymore, next one to play again, married only for the good.
... In the West, things are already not so stark and current trends are that more women are enrolling in colleges, so in 20 years from now it is quite possible that women in the West feel they don't need to marry because why do they need to support men? Quite the reverse if things develop like in the US where women make up 2/3rd of the students' loan debt while not being able to repay the loans because they major in useless subjects. Men either avoid college or major in STEMs so are better able to repay the loans and earn money.
Another reason for men to avoid college is of course the kangaroo courts expelling men for alleged sexual assault at the slightest accusation. Women will more and more find themselves in the company of other women wasting their time taking mickey mouse degrees and running up huge debts that will eventually be paid off by Father State (men's tax money).
Women are often only in the workforce because employers are required by law to employ them. No employer in his right mind would ever employ a woman if he could help it. Women are very expensive what with maternity leave, long term sickness, faked invalidity and sexual assault shenanigans.
I don't see men's and women's roles reversing. I see creeping islamization ending in strict sex segregation of the sexes in the distant future. This endpoint will be welcome because it will come after P4P has been criminalized the world over to such an extent that men will not even try any more. Sexbots might alter this vision of the future but the future of sexbots is still murky.
In many Western societies, women are already a substantial part of workforce. While they are not yet making as much as the men on a society-wide basis, fact is that many women are already making more than men. I personally know several families in which the man is making less than his wife, or even a few where the man had to abandon his career to run the household and raise the kids because wife was making more $$ and they needed one spouse to take care of kids.
So, the members commenting from Asia and third word (where women are generally relegated to lower level roles) may feel it is better not to marry because in their experience man provides for the woman. In the West, things are already not so stark and current trends are that more women are enrolling in colleges, so in 20 years from now it is quite possible that women in the West feel they don't need to marry because why do they need to support men?
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/08/why-men-are-the-new-college-minority/536103/Not to mention that many HR recruitment personnel hire women ahead of men based on looks. And looks only. In more and more jobs seeing most jobs in society is simple as hell. That goes for among other things lawyer jobs. Like this lawyer HR guy I know told me about. He didn't care shot about grades. Everything could be done by a retard these days.
For me it's very, very simple. I fuck who I want to in the club when I want to. And that's it! I don't like a bunch of unnecessary complications in my life. That would make going to the FKKs less fun!Well said, we go to FKK to avoid drams and related complication of relationships and most importantly to have sex, so right on.
Quite the reverse if things develop like in the US where women make up 2/3rd of the students' loan debt while not being able to repay the loans because they major in useless subjects. Men either avoid college or major in STEMs so are better able to repay the loans and earn money.
Let's say 52% of students are female. So if they carry 66% of the student debt, doesn't seem that disproportionate.
Males vs Females pay gap in USA is 17.9 percent. In other words, male might make $100K whereas female makes $82K. So middle class to upper-middle class men shouldn't be getting raped in a divorce settlement, especially in some OECD nations, where the gap is as low as 6% https://www.statista.com/chart/4279/the-gender-pay-gap-in-developed-nations-visualised/.
There is a significant pay gap when you only look at highest earners. In the UK, there were 10,200 who earn more than a million pounds a year, but only 920 are women. These men would get raped by the divorce settlement. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11414131/Female-millionaires-are-on-the-rise-but-men-still-way-ahead.html
This chart lists the ten most popular degrees amongst millionaires. While engineering is the second most popular at 10 percent, the only other STEM degree in the list is computer science at 2 percent, so 88 percent of millionaires have mickey mouse degrees http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/09/21/want-to-be-fabulously-wealthy-heres-the-degree-youll-need/ .
Or the opposite may happen. Over a certain period. Better service. Free extras. Longer rooms for standard rates. YMMV.True but eventually it goes back down. Free extras sometimes have other attachments like exclusivity. I think mathematically, it's a bell curve where why is the quality of service and X is time. The tail ends show the extremes, time spent with the girl too long or too short, in the middle is where the best quality is optimal with some investment of time. That's where I try to get with the few girls I really enjoy.
In FKK's some girls makes a lot of money while other girls don't make much at all. So a few rules of thumb I have while in Germany is to share the wealth to some degree. For a long time I always had one holy rule I had to stick to. I had to try out one new girl every single day at an FKK. Lately I have started staying in Germany / aut / NL for longer periods. Average trips for me now is 5 days compared to previous 3-4 day average. So now I have lessened that to at least trying 3 new girls per trip of 5 days, or 5 new girls on a 1 week trip. The rest I can make repeats at.
The biggest mistake one can make at an FKK is to have a girl feel she owns you. Then service falls, and she may sometimes feel eligible to upsell you to longer rooms.
Sometimes I skip one of my favourites for a visit or two also. It doesn't mean I dislike her or are tired of her pussy, but it means that I am a free soul. If the options are not around for reserve girls, or if I have already depleted the current lineup, its time to move on and visit another club. Can even leave at 9 or 10 pm to go to another club. Preferably I feelt it can be best to rotate a minimum of 5 favourite girls for repeat levels in one club. If you do 3 of them per visit.
The saying is if you want to marry a girl, you should be committed and show faithfullness first. Then her ring finger will come later. You cannot demand the ring finger before you first show your commitment. But this is FKK land, and in my opinion the rules change when we pay. So even if I skip a favourite for 1 or 2 visits, I can still love her / them. I just share the love and wealth as a free person with no ring attached.
So, any other inputs on this? What is your strategy?New girls are great, but I cannot find new girls recently as I do not see many stunners added to line up like it used to few years ago LOL.
I still got Hamburg as I never been there, so all girls there should be more or less new for me and as long as there are one or two stunners in LU in each FKK there, it is all good trip for me, so in this sense, I am looking forward to 2018 trip to Hamburg!
XXL. I am far from sure if your vision is correct, but it is one of those posts which sets out something with such clarity that it becomes to appear very credible.
It seems to me that there will be an increase in an almost apartheid division as some areas of work become more and more exclusively female. Men will continue to retain a separate culture but this will not necessarily be work based. Gone are the days when I thought the two sexes would be working together in equally. Mixed sex working seems to be becoming increasingly bitter.
Of course as The Cane said this doesn't mean the end of relationships.
Optimists adjust to reality :)
Member #4581
12-12-17, 14:31
To add to McA's excellent points, I would add that pay gap is closing all the time. Average pay is computed for all workers in the population, which by definition includes a lot of middle aged and older workers. In those age brackets women were educated less relative to men. Today, the gender gap has closed in universities. That gets reflected in pay gap closing in the future.
And women today are almost in the majority in law schools in the US, and in medical schools the gender balance is almost neutral. It is only in engineering and CS that men hold a distinct advantage. But over there, it is all the immigrants that dominate. Go to any company in Silicon Valley and row upon row in the aisles have Asian names.
As for Islamists, they hold equally disdainful view of women. In truly Islamic societies women are not even allowed to study, and required to service their men from birth to death. A couple of times I fucked Turkish girls just so that I could claim I fucked a Moslem. LOL.
About half a year ago I read an article regarding the increasing gap between men and women in a few British universities. They were not 52-48%, but 75-25%. 75% female that is. So it is cumming. Question is just how many jobs there will be in the future. How innovative will women in the future become, and will there be a backlash? Like I mentioned regarding the lawyer recruitment, people at least in Europe don't look at grades at all. In the USA they look more at which university you have gone to. More because of networking than due to actual grades I assume as well.
https://www.thecut.com/2017/05/testosterone-men-dumber.html
So in order for men to get on level with women in regards to grades and performance, we need to lower our testosterone levels. How we do that is simple: sex!
Neurosynth
12-12-17, 23:58
...Everything could be done by a retard these days...This is quite offensive, especially because it insults people much less able to defend themselves.
Neurosynth
12-13-17, 00:28
Quite the reverse if things develop like in the US where women make up 2/3rd of the students' loan debt while not being able to repay the loans because they major in useless subjects. Men either avoid college or major in STEMs so are better able to repay the loans and earn money.
Women take out loans at only a few percentage points more than men. It's because they get paid less that they take longer to pay back, and thus make up 2/3 of those with outstanding debt. If "useless" means "pays less" then perhaps you are partially right. But what they are studying is not useless at all if you recognize the social contribution they make. Plus note the following because the numbers aren't as one-sided as you imply:
75% of degrees awarded in Health, Education, And Social Work go to women. These jobs pay less than other college grad jobs. But calling that work "useless" is foolishness.
60% of degrees awarded in Art, Communications, And Languages go to women. This is not a huge margin over men, and again, imagine life with competence in the population in these areas slashed by more than half.
The number of women graduating in math and science is about half. But women skew more towards life sciences, and men towards physical sciences.
The number of women graduating with business degrees is about half.
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/28/359419934/who-studies-what-men-women-and-college-majors
Another reason for men to avoid college is of course the kangaroo courts expelling men for alleged sexual assault at the slightest accusation. Women will more and more find themselves in the company of other women wasting their time taking mickey mouse degrees and running up huge debts that will eventually be paid off by Father State (men's tax money). This is a total myth propagated by the likes of Rush Limbaugh. If anything men are *protected* by universities when they commit sexual assault. The tendency is to cover up and deal with it internally. Meanwhile off campus men accused with sexual abuse are handed over to the criminal justice system for much harsher treatment.
Women are often only in the workforce because employers are required by law to employ them. No employer in his right mind would ever employ a woman if he could help it. Women are very expensive what with maternity leave, long term sickness, faked invalidity and sexual assault shenanigans.
I don't see men's and women's roles reversing. I see creeping islamization ending in strict sex segregation of the sexes in the distant future. You are on the wrong side of history. It bends towards justice. Men and women will be fine together, although throwbacks like you *will* increasingly be left isolated.
https://www.thecut.com/2017/05/testosterone-men-dumber.html
So in order for men to get on level with women in regards to grades and performance, we need to lower our testosterone levels. How we do that is simple: sex!Man, find stunner, and just take ciaris or Viagra, and be sure your dick do not get cut like I once did last year, then no need for complication to increase male hormone.
The most hard part is to find new stunner, I have been fucking same stunner now for almost one year. 80% of my sessions are with same girl.
Men and women are always going to need each other as partners of some sort. For women, it isn't so much about taking care of a man as it is about taking care of her kids. It's easy to be a deadbeat dad and walk away, but no so easy for a woman to do that. She birthed those kids, and they are with her. If she isn't working and staying at home, then she needs somebody out there being the breadwinner and providing for her and those kids. And if she is working, well the need for childcare doesn't go away, and the cost of that is so expensive that it can easily suck up virtually all of her income. So again, often times there needs to be that other breadwinner who can provide. Unless, maybe it's a Mr. Mom who stays home and takes care of the kids. There are guys out there doing that, but at least in the United States, that's the exception rather than the rule. Either the man goes to work and the woman stays home, or they both work and one's salary goes to pay for high daycare costs. But any way you cut it, men need women and women need men. At some level one way or the other.Well said, and observed. It pretty much explain the economical side of why birthrates are going down in many developed countries including mine.
However, as for me, it is more being rational and practical about lifestyle, I mean there is no other place I found my place than when I am in Germany putting my face between ass crack of some young beautiful stunner FKK girl, I found my place there, so being true to what I really want, I decided to be professional monger who cannot get enough of beautiful girls.
This is quite offensive, especially because it insults people much less able to defend themselves.Eh not so much an insult. Retardation implies deficiency. Therefore, if anything can be accomplished by a retard then the retard is no longer deficient. Retards are just normal people.
I think pretty soon mongers will start getting better LU via Brexit.
The expected moving of bankers from London to Frankfurt is already affecting real estate industry, and when they move to Frankfurt, they at least many of them tute in FKK around Hessen region and more girls want to work in FKK due to increase in clients from banks who tend to pay well and monger often.
This is a total myth propagated by the likes of Rush Limbaugh. If anything men are *protected* by universities when they commit sexual assault. The tendency is to cover up and deal with it internally. Meanwhile off campus men accused with sexual abuse are handed over to the criminal justice system for much harsher treatment.It is only a myth until now. But the #meetoo campaign is trying to change this so it won't become a myth.
Neurosynth. Just wanted to say like XXLs original post, I found your response to be interesting and clearly argued. Thought provoking (apart from labelling XXL as a throwback).
You are right that overall in society the sexes will be thrown more together. Maybe more work areas done by men will become mainly done by women.
Certainly in the last three decades mixed working has become more bitter, not, in my opinion due to women fighting discrimination, but due to women fighting battles largely won by their courageous predecessors. These current battles are mainly about issues faced by successful women, not the issues of low pay which is more relevant to the vast majority of working women.
At the same time I see an increasing tendency amongst men to return to social single sex interaction to defend against a vague feeling of loss.
It saddens me because I remember a time when there was a general reduction of division of the sexes and an expectation of full equality.
I don't put this forward as a developed theory, just as a set of reflections which might or might not have some validity.
This topic has turned into a load of presumptions now. But I suppose that is what we do. We presume what is going to happen and find that to be fun.
There are so many ifs and what ifs that adding a maybe or a I think in most sentences here regarding what will happen might be in place.
But yes, it looks like the sex war is picking up in pace. But a black swan event can toss things around.
On topic of expat British bankers, they don't have a good reputation, especially the younger ones:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/06/asia/hong-kong-sadist-rurik-jutting/index.html
Reportedly making 350 K GBP at age 29. Possessed IQ in the top one percent. Had a superiority complex.
https://beyondphilosophy.com/3-dangers-of-employing-smart-people/
Pistons. Exactly so. Speculation, impressions, ifs, buts. Just thought I would join in.
On topic of expat British bankers, they don't have a good reputation, especially the younger ones:According to British slang, do you know what word rhymes with "Banker," starting with the letter W?
According to British slang, do you know what word rhymes with "Banker," starting with the letter W?Reading about the wanker in the article, I noticed some startling similarities to say the majority of us ISGers:
"(he was) boastful, had a high opinion of himself (but it was) a thin shell that can be broken. Underneath he can feel pain and despair, had a fragile sense of self-esteem," forensic psychiatrist Dr Richard Latham told the jury.
Reading about the wanker in the article, I noticed some startling similarities to say the majority of us ISGers:
"(he was) boastful, had a high opinion of himself (but it was) a thin shell that can be broken. Underneath he can feel pain and despair, had a fragile sense of self-esteem," forensic psychiatrist Dr Richard Latham told the jury.Yep. That is me. Also sounds just like a Banker
What's the difference between me and a banker? Answer. I have not much money and what I do have I share with the poor (or ex-poor) from under developed parts of Europe.
Neurosynth
12-13-17, 22:47
It is only a myth until now. But the #meetoo campaign is trying to change this so it won't become a myth.Stated as a current fact, like the poster did, it is simply factually incorrect. What may happen in the future is speculative at best, and certainly can't be cited as a reason something is happening *today. *.
This is a total myth propagated by the likes of Rush Limbaugh. If anything men are *protected* by universities when they commit sexual assault. The tendency is to cover up and deal with it internally. Meanwhile off campus men accused with sexual abuse are handed over to the criminal justice system for much harsher treatment.
You are on the wrong side of history. It bends towards justice. Men and women will be fine together, although throwbacks like you *will* increasingly be left isolated.I knew many men still took the blue pills but I didn't know they could be injected. Of course mainlining makes for a stronger white-knighting rush. I assume you filter. What gauge do you use?
You are confusing "retard" as a verb versus "retard" as a noun. The original poster used it as a noun for a kind of person, and that is most certainly offensive. Ask any parent of a Down syndrome...LOL! Man you made my day. Didn't know you talked to so many parents. How do you make time to monger?
Stated as a current fact, like the poster did, it is simply factually incorrect. What may happen in the future is speculative at best, and certainly can't be cited as a reason something is happening *today. *.Not that it matters too much, but a month ago I would agree with you. Today because of the #metoo I am leaning into agreeing more with XXL on that subject. Use google for help.
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe I was even being optimistic regarding this downs kid by increasing his hopes of becoming a lawyer. But there is a saying: reach for the stars, and the worst thing that can happen is that you end up in a treetop. Are you only crushing the dreams of this downs kiddo when talking to his or her parents now?
BigBuddy69
12-14-17, 06:14
I think pretty soon mongers will start getting better LU via Brexit..No, the scamming will get worse.
No, the scamming will get worse.That is related to BBBJ law and not brexit though.
So far, BBBJ was not big issue for me in Nov. / Dec. Of my visit few weeks ago.
However, if it get funny, we got other countries right next to Germany.
Well the truth is I wish I can be Pierre woodman in room in FKK, but if you do that, you most likely be rejected by various girls in FKK not just by your regular girls LOL.
It happen to me once, I was regular with girl in FKK and that was a time I found myself ciaris and wow I was doing her like rabbit, keeping her sessions after sessions, I was good customer from financial point of view, but she certainly did not like too much rabbit actions and I was refused after that LOL.
I call this the ciaris incident LOL.
However, I can never give up FKK, it is too good to be true such place do exist and I always have to pinch my self sometimes to realize it was real and it happened.
I mean we professional mongers have supply of beautiful girls and I never understand why most men are too not rational to get themselves supply too, so that they won't be controlled by so called normal girls and mess up their life LOL.
On topic of expat British bankers, they don't have a good reputation, especially the younger ones:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/06/asia/hong-kong-sadist-rurik-jutting/index.html
Reportedly making 350 K GBP at age 29. Possessed IQ in the top one percent. Had a superiority complex.
https://beyondphilosophy.com/3-dangers-of-employing-smart-people/Yeah I remember this case.
Well these white folks like these asian girls huh?
I prefer white girls at FKK, also I never get why some guys like BDSM thing or submissive or hurt girls, it is not really my thing, but I wonder where this fetish comes from.
I once went to sharks BDSM room as there were no other free rooms and I got to say, it was very vivid moment, but girl was nice and provide me good service for just 50 euro in vivid room.
Its not terribly surprising that hardcore mongers would identify with men's right activist movements. Both groups probably can be traced to social rejection:
www.adultsocialskills.com/mgtow.html
Its not terribly surprising that hardcore mongers would identify with men's right activist movements. Both groups probably can be traced to social rejection:
www.adultsocialskills.com/mgtow.htmlFor myself, I have never experienced social rejection and am happily living in a nice domestic environment.
Its not terribly surprising that hardcore mongers would identify with men's right activist movements. Both groups probably can be traced to social rejection:
www.adultsocialskills.com/mgtow.htmlNow this was funny LOL literally! LMAO!
For myself, I have never experienced social rejection and am happily living in a nice domestic environment.Social rejection encompasses not just familial estrangement, but also peer rejection and romantic rejection. So your Whatsapp breakups might qualify here. Like most of the posters here, you are highly intelligent, so a history of being bullied as a child might be possible. Rejection is normal but over prolonged periods it has negative effects such as depression or having low self esteem. People stop trying. Or to save-face, they rationalize that they never were interested in the first place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_rejection.
Essentially "blue pill" represents conventional dating practices, getting married, etc. In the old days, when womens' salaries were lower and the "Sluut" label carried negative consequences, "beta males" stood a chance when it came to courtship. But now women get paid more and they are allowed to be promiscuous, hence terms like "alpha fux beta bux" have been coined.
From http://en.wikimannia.org/Alpha_fux, _beta_bux:
During their younger years, women will sometimes prey on beta males in order to obtain financial or some other advantage. Because beta males are often inexperienced in the dating arena and are unwilling or unable to recognize women's hypergamous natures, they may provide gifts, money, favors, or some other benefit on women without receiving a commitment or sexual relationship from the women in return. Thus, some women will have sexual relations with "bad boy" alpha males without expectation of financial benefit while at the same time convincing beta males to provide them with services or favors without having sex with them.
The underlying message is if you are a beta, by definition the majority of men, you should not be a willing pawn. This attractive girl who spent her 20's being a Sluut for free with alpha bad boys, but now that she is in her 30's, she is looking for a nice beta to bankroll her lifestyle. Read the above definition, and you will see a native English version of what Mr. Ho has been preaching all along. Loverboys_fux, mongers_bux does not have a good ring to it.
From http://en.wikimannia.org/Alpha_fux, _beta_bux:
During their younger years, women will sometimes prey on beta males in order to obtain financial or some other advantage. Because beta males are often inexperienced in the dating arena and are unwilling or unable to recognize women's hypergamous natures, they may provide gifts, money, favors, or some other benefit on women without receiving a commitment or sexual relationship from the women in return. Thus, some women will have sexual relations with "bad boy" alpha males without expectation of financial benefit while at the same time convincing beta males to provide them with services or favors without having sex with them.
The underlying message is if you are a beta, by definition the majority of men, you should not be a willing pawn. This attractive girl who spent her 20's being a Sluut for free with alpha bad boys, but now that she is in her 30's, she is looking for a nice beta to bankroll her lifestyle. Read the above definition, and you will see a native English version of what Mr. Ho has been preaching all along. Loverboys_fux, mongers_bux does not have a good ring to it.Very well said man, we eat these girls at FKK, we provide these girls yes, but 50 euro per 30 minutes LOL and one fine day after few more years later, the girls we polluted in FKK will find some nice guy from her perspective who will spend millions of euros and efforts and time to support her for rest of her life LOL.
For us, 50 euro per 30 minute is enough LOL.
Rationality is important in life and I think men tend to be more rational than women. This is partly because women are more emotional, which sometime or most time are irrational. You do things using not brain but so called heart aka emotion right?
But there are many men who has feminine quality and they tend to be more irrational and they tend to self destruct together with women who are bit toward self destructive at time. These type of couple are good recipe for self destruction of some sort.
On the other hand, we professional mongers are extremely rational, I mean I go to FKK and continuously buying nice girls here and there because this is most rational thing for me to do, I get what most men dream of doing and at the same time, I do not damage my society image as it is not considered right thing to make beautiful girl lick my butt hole for some reason LOL.
It also bit supply and demand, I like to secure my supply of beautiful girls who has sex with me more or less on demand and I found the way, where as many men seems to try to seek that in different path than I did, which is so called normal way set by society norm.
I mean, society norm seems abnormal to me. I do not get all these irrational game playing, 300 usd wining / dining, 3000 USD hand bags, 500 USD shoes present. All the stress, efforts, time, money the normal way girls waste from you and just as you may know some FKK girls we fuck for 50 euro per 30 min do this in their private lives and these guys who invest in her do not know or even realize what is going on.
We pro mongers realize what is going on.
This is our difference and we managed to secure our supply.
Ura! Pro mongers united LOL!
BigBuddy69
12-15-17, 06:11
That is related to BBBJ law and not brexit though.
So far, BBBJ was not big issue for me in Nov. / Dec. Of my visit few weeks ago.
However, if it get funny, we got other countries right next to Germany.So why are you always asking about the CBJ situation in every club? Maybe you could enlighten us with some reports of your visits. The scamming will get worse if rich bankers come to the Hessen clubs, they'll have even more money and less expectations than the already very generous guests of those clubs and the girls will get a new reason to make even less for more money.
Rationality is important in life and I think men tend to be more rational than women. This is partly because women are more emotional, which sometime or most time are irrational. You do things using not brain but so called heart aka emotion right?
But there are many men who has feminine quality and they tend to be more irrational and they tend to self destruct together with women who are bit toward self destructive at time. These type of couple are good recipe for self destruction of some sort.
On the other hand, we professional mongers are extremely rational, I mean I go to FKK and continuously buying nice girls here and there because this is most rational thing for me to do, I get what most men dream of doing and at the same time, I do not damage my society image as it is not considered right thing to make beautiful girl lick my butt hole for some reason LOL.
It also bit supply and demand, I like to secure my supply of beautiful girls who has sex with me more or less on demand and I found the way, where as many men seems to try to seek that in different path than I did, which is so called normal way set by society norm.There is a reason why those women are called trophy wives--most men cannot afford them. There is nothing wrong with a guy spending lavishly on a woman. The key is whether he can afford to. The chump is the person who works hard so a woman can have a lifestyle he cannot afford and he either goes into debt or works like a dog. For those with more money than they can spend, it is no different than driving that luxury sports car or boat that costs a mint to upkeep. It is flaunting it because you can while others look on jealously and say they are wasting their money.
McA,
Well written post! And that's why the loverboys spend their days at the gym trying to stay alpha. And adding some ink for fun. Because frankly, its 80% about muscle once you reach a certain age. Women love muscles as much as men love tits, legs and ass. And beta's misjudge this and spend too much time working and making money instead of building muscles or getting their beauty sleep. Women lie as much about the importance of personality as we do. One part I disagree with you about is picking up women on town. It has also 80% to do with looks. And the easiest thing people can do to enhance it is building muscles. Unless they are lucky and born with some special traits. Some do like skinheads. Some like beards, some tats etc too.
So why are you always asking about the CBJ situation in every club? Maybe you could enlighten us with some reports of your visits. The scamming will get worse if rich bankers come to the Hessen clubs, they'll have even more money and less expectations than the already very generous guests of those clubs and the girls will get a new reason to make even less for more money.I already did about BBBJ situation few weeks ago as I was there, read carefully and I say it again, there was no problem for me both in NRW and Hessen, got it?
As for bankers, I got many friends in citi and they are experienced monger, but more in escort scene, so they may pay up but as for negotiation with tutes, bankers in citi are good negotiator with tutes, but I can see them going for long hours, but 50 euro good session has been long gone in most FKK anyways, I still get lucky sometimes with just 50 euro session now and then though, but usually I like to go for one hour too.
P.S.; I will keep on asking because one day it may very well be problem, then I move onto different nation for mongering, but as for now as I say, it was not big problem, so I continue to go to Germany, but I will keep on asking to make sure BBBJ as it was.
Knight Mid
12-15-17, 14:14
Its not terribly surprising that hardcore mongers would identify with men's right activist movements. Both groups probably can be traced to social rejection:
www.adultsocialskills.com/mgtow.htmlI always thought of it with the term disenfranchised, less about social skills and more about situation and circumstances or lack of intelligence, mindlessly following evolutionary program to their advantage. I see spending time on line with the term hyper reality which is a negative in many forms. That book seems like it is aimed at the blue pill by someone who is red pill but perhaps franchised. The part about social rejection and the effects of it is very interesting though. Some people expect to succeed and some people don't.
Rogue Nation
12-15-17, 16:05
Because frankly, its 80% about muscle once you reach a certain age. Women love muscles as much as men love tits, legs and ass. I do not think this is true. Women have other priorities. If it comes with a well kept body, fine.
It has also 80% to do with looks. And the easiest thing people can do to enhance it is building muscles.Katy Perry was married to Russell Brand, who has neither looks nor muscles. He was never a bigger star than her, nor did he ever have more money than her (his net worth: $4 million, her net worth: $44 million). On top of that, Russell Brand is probably even smaller than what Sirioja considers "Asian size". He protested nude once and was photographed.
There is a reason why those women are called trophy wives--most men cannot afford them. There is nothing wrong with a guy spending lavishly on a woman. The key is whether he can afford to.Mr Ho is a MGTOW believer, who just isn't aware of the movement yet. According to MGTOW, nobody should ever spend money for a trophy wife (even if one can afford it). Alpha Chad never paid for her. He fucked the "trophy wife" for free throughout her twenties. When she hit 30, her looks faded. She realized that Alpha Chad had other options, so she decided to find a beta Bob with deep pockets and settle down. Few years laters, she divorces Beta Bob and takes half. In other words, Alpha Chads of the world drove the car off the lot and used her for free. Thus beta Bob would be a chump for paying full price for a used car that is going to eventually break down on him and consume half his money. I am not the one making up these colorful terms. http://mgtow.wikia.com/wiki/Alpha_Fux_Beta_Bux.
The part about social rejection and the effects of it is very interesting though. Some people expect to succeed and some people don't.The ones that expect to fail, sometimes stop trying. Does perceived lack of opportunity cause young black men to withdraw from academics and pursue sports, music, or crime? Same with young East Asian men who generally are seen as least attractive (dating site data supports this). Are they withdrawing from dating scene and going full monger at rates higher than other races? So as to not single out one race: if MGTOW movement continues to gain traction, we will probably see more young men of all races becoming hardcore FKKers. Average age of FKKer could easily drop a full decade.
BigBuddy69
12-15-17, 20:12
I'm not attracted to men but I think that Russel Brand really has the looks!
There is a reason why those women are called trophy wives--most men cannot afford them. There is nothing wrong with a guy spending lavishly on a woman. The key is whether he can afford to. The chump is the person who works hard so a woman can have a lifestyle he cannot afford and he either goes into debt or works like a dog. For those with more money than they can spend, it is no different than driving that luxury sports car or boat that costs a mint to upkeep. It is flaunting it because you can while others look on jealously and say they are wasting their money.You do not get it, I fuck these girls before these guys marry her LOL This is my better high, after me, I flush my toilet to these beta guys after and he can kiss her mouth that used to kiss my anal few years back and that mouth will kiss their children, indirect rimming LOL.
Got my better high?
I do not think this is true. Women have other priorities. If it comes with a well kept body, fine.When it comes to certain age, it is 80% money LOL.
Well it is always 80% money or emotion for women LOL.
I choose money, it is easier LOL.
It is like these guys who think it is not money in FKK, it is all money in FKK LOL.
So Russel Brand was an emo. And a lot of singers and artists like emotional people. Especially when they are showing their artist and revolting side. But these are not the average types of people. They are the remaining 20%.
Smoke Light: never missjudge a women's ability to trick you into thinking otherwise. They care exactly as much about looks as we do. Of course a few also like the smaller Justin bieber type. But that is looks too.
http://m.eonline.com/news/885176/russell-brand-reflects-on-his-wonderful-marriage-to-katy-perry
He looks 100% like an emo with his alternative style on some pictures (the tribal necklaces he sometimes wear), he is growing a beard and tries to show off how hairy and animal he is. So he does check of some these 'looks' criterias due to his style. 100% just for show and an act though.
Member #4581
12-16-17, 00:00
You do not get it, I fuck these girls before these guys marry her LOL This is my better high, after me, I flush my toilet to these beta guys after and he can kiss her mouth that used to kiss my anal few years back and that mouth will kiss their children, indirect rimming LOL.
Got my better high?The Romanian lover boy would say "I fucked the bi $tch at the age of 16 breaking her cherry, then fucked her ass bareback and dumped my load inside, and then slapped her face and ass many times to amuse myself. Then I dumped her in the FKK where all the loser oldies are paying a hundred to touch her ass and 150 to lick it, indirectly licking my cum. Then they proclaim their love for her and beg her to be on their phone and WhatsApp. But the fucking tute likes me and me only because I am the one who bi $tchslaps her face which she loves, and then she gives me all the money that the loser oldies paid to lick her ass where I had dumped my protein juices".
So going by your logic, the Romanian lover boy is at the top of food chain in terms of your esteem.
BadinSweet
12-16-17, 00:44
Jnpr30, your inbox is full by the way.
Member #4585
12-16-17, 00:48
The Romanian lover boy would say "I fucked the bi $tch at the age of 16 breaking her cherry, then fucked her ass bareback and dumped my load inside, and then slapped her face and ass many times to amuse myself. Then I dumped her in the FKK where all the loser oldies are paying a hundred to touch her ass and 150 to lick it, indirectly licking my cum. Then they proclaim their love for her and beg her to be on their phone and WhatsApp. But the fucking tute likes me and me only because I am the one who bi $tchslaps her face which she loves, and then she gives me all the money that the loser oldies paid to lick her ass where I had dumped my protein juices".
So going by your logic, the Romanian lover boy is at the top of food chain in terms of your esteem.Jnpr30, +1. Good writing. Very true.
Lesson to be learned.
Knight Mid
12-16-17, 00:48
McA,
Well written post! And that's why the loverboys spend their days at the gym trying to stay alpha. And adding some ink for fun. Because frankly, its 80% about muscle once you reach a certain age. Women love muscles as much as men love tits, legs and ass. And beta's misjudge this and spend too much time working and making money instead of building muscles or getting their beauty sleep. Women lie as much about the importance of personality as we do. One part I disagree with you about is picking up women on town. It has also 80% to do with looks. And the easiest thing people can do to enhance it is building muscles. Unless they are lucky and born with some special traits. Some do like skinheads. Some like beards, some tats etc too.You know being tall and having long limbs comes at the expense of being muscular for a lot of tall people, but being tall and having long limbs is an attractive trait to women. I just want bring up something that gets missed when people talk about muscles. Muscles are somewhat genetic to some degree. I have pecs. Some people don't have pecs and will never have pecs. A guy with long arms can knock me out with his fist and he doesn't need pecs. I think what you really got to have is balls the size of eggs. If you got that, at least in your mind you don't need anything else which is all that matters.
The Romanian lover boy would say "I fucked the bi $tch at the age of 16 breaking her cherry, then fucked her ass bareback and dumped my load inside, and then slapped her face and ass many times to amuse myself. Then I dumped her in the FKK where all the loser oldies are paying a hundred to touch her ass and 150 to lick it, indirectly licking my cum. Then they proclaim their love for her and beg her to be on their phone and WhatsApp. But the fucking tute likes me and me only because I am the one who bi $tchslaps her face which she loves, and then she gives me all the money that the loser oldies paid to lick her ass where I had dumped my protein juices".
So going by your logic, the Romanian lover boy is at the top of food chain in terms of your esteem.LOL! This is awesome. I would change 16 to more like 13, let's be real.
However, you can get BB service in all holes even in big FKKs from even top hyped girls, no need to look like a loverboy, just need cash. So everyone is tasting everyone's juices. I play that game just for the laughs, put 10 k euros on the bed and tell her to be your 3-holer cum dump for the day, see how many tutes will say no. I always just say "ha! Just kidding" and take my money back, and see the actual disappointments on their face! LOL!
I don't really get off from slapping them around or violence in general, but I'm sure if I was into that, money will solve it too. I'm not super rich, but for me 150 euros to use them like a toy feels like a win to me, the loverboy he probably really need that extra couple hundreds of euros than me.
The Romanian lover boy would say "I fucked the bi $tch at the age of 16 breaking her cherry, then fucked her ass bareback and dumped my load inside, and then slapped her face and ass many times to amuse myself. Then I dumped her in the FKK where all the loser oldies are paying a hundred to touch her ass and 150 to lick it, indirectly licking my cum. Then they proclaim their love for her and beg her to be on their phone and WhatsApp. But the fucking tute likes me and me only because I am the one who bi $tchslaps her face which she loves, and then she gives me all the money that the loser oldies paid to lick her ass where I had dumped my protein juices".
So going by your logic, the Romanian lover boy is at the top of food chain in terms of your esteem.In some aspects yes as I do prefer younger, but I made no efforts of getting her beside let go to the room plus it is just 100 euro or 150 euro man and I never ask for whatsapp or tel, some gives it to me, but I usually do not like meeting FKK girls in hotel as when I do, that is the time it get expensive LOL.
Plus I live much higher living standard than any of these idiots in every department LOL.
Loverboys are hard jobs you know it is not what you think, it is time consuming, plus just to let you know most of these girls at one point had normal lives and it is not exactly pimp comes and takes her right away, it does not work like that LOL if so we would have more stunner than these uglies we lately get at German FKK LOL.
We need Abdel back in the game. Abdel girls are gone now.
Jnpr30, +1. Good writing. Very true.
Lesson to be learned.Yes true lesson, Romanian lover boys are employed by me LOL.
And man, 150 euro for us or at least for me is not even 1% of my annual income, they are below layer of pyramid of this human world pyramid LOL.
Jnpr30, +1. Good writing. Very true.
Lesson to be learned.The lesson to be learned is that life is a continuous circle. What goes around "cums" around hahaha! I can guarantee you that "lover boy" is not exempt LOL! Go ahead and take her back "lover boy" after I "scoped" that butt hole out. Thanks for the "loaner" hahahaha! Serious though, I had a buddy trying to fix me up with somebody he had been with. There was no way I could go for that as I would always be thinking about how he spermed in her mouth and all that every time I saw him, which would be a lot. No thanks "buddy" hahaha! Yeah, yeah, yeah I know. FKK girl. Everybody uses them. But, the big difference is that I don't know all those guys LOL and never will!
You know being tall and having long limbs comes at the expense of being muscular for a lot of tall people, but being tall and having long limbs is an attractive trait to women. I just want bring up something that gets missed when people talk about muscles. Muscles are somewhat genetic to some degree. I have pecs. Some people don't have pecs and will never have pecs. A guy with long arms can knock me out with his fist and he doesn't need pecs. I think what you really got to have is balls the size of eggs. If you got that, at least in your mind you don't need anything else which is all that matters.Like men, women also have personal preferences. Some likes men taller than them, some likes men at same height. Some men prefers tall women, some prefer shorter.
You know being tall and having long limbs comes at the expense of being muscular for a lot of tall people, but being tall and having long limbs is an attractive trait to women. I just want bring up something that gets missed when people talk about muscles. Muscles are somewhat genetic to some degree. I have pecs. Some people don't have pecs and will never have pecs. A guy with long arms can knock me out with his fist and he doesn't need pecs. I think what you really got to have is balls the size of eggs. If you got that, at least in your mind you don't need anything else which is all that matters.Actually surveys have shown women don't really like balls. They find them ugly in general.
Member #4581
12-16-17, 21:37
Cane is right about his circle of life philosophy. A turning wheel has no permanent top, so it doesn't make any sense for someone to gloat that he is sitting on the top of the wheel. And 150 may be a less than a fraction of a monthly or even weekly income for some mongers here, so that is not such a bragging issue also. And BTW, the lover boy might be collecting the 150 royalty an hour from not one girl but a hundred girls. In corporate lingo, they call it operating leverage.
The lesson to be learned is that life is a continuous circle. What goes around "cums" around hahaha! I can guarantee you that "lover boy" is not exempt LOL! Go ahead and take her back "lover boy" after I "scoped" that butt hole out. Thanks for the "loaner" hahahaha! Serious though, I had a buddy trying to fix me up with somebody he had been with. There was no way I could go for that as I would always be thinking about how he spermed in her mouth and all that every time I saw him, which would be a lot. No thanks "buddy" hahaha! Yeah, yeah, yeah I know. FKK girl. Everybody uses them. But, the big difference is that I don't know all those guys LOL and never will!Loverboys are doing us great work by sending girls to FKK and that is hard job to do with many time, effort and strategy invested into and cost some money even for loverboys. It is not easy as it looks and some mongers thinks.
So paying 100 euro or 150 euro or even more and simply saying let go to room and get what we want sexually without damaging our reputation is good win situation for us as well as for loverboys.
I would say us more because at least for me, I have been banging beauties since age of 17 till now and as for mongering I began at age of 19, so I had good sex life and I am secure I will continue to do so into older age consecutively. This motivate me to stay healthy and work hard to make money as money and health is important for me to obtain my future sex life being superior to not all but most men in this world LOL.
Pro mongers are motivated, it is a life style, money over every beauties all over the world with different skin colors and religions and hair and eye colors etc.
Cane is right about his circle of life philosophy. A turning wheel has no permanent top, so it doesn't make any sense for someone to gloat that he is sitting on the top of the wheel.Seems like an alpha Chad would always benefit more from his relationship to the WG, than a monger would to the same WG. Alpha Chad pays zero. Not only does he not pay, she's offering him financial support, so he could even use a portion of that money to bang multiple WGs. For mongers it is always a net monetary loss.
Cane seems to be more into the physical interaction, I imagine he also wants the WG to "get wet, be into it, and orgasm". At the other end of the spectrum, you have mongers that are more interested in GFE. This means more than kissing and cuddling. They want to go out and do things together. So these men want the girl to "be into it" mentally and emotionally. These mongers want the WG's physical, mental, and emotional feelings to be real (or as real as possible). To test if these feelings are real, wouldn't the true litmus test be to remove money from the equation, and see if the WG's feelings change?
The lesson to be learned is that life is a continuous circle. What goes around "cums" around hahaha! I can guarantee you that "lover boy" is not exempt LOL! Go ahead and take her back "lover boy" after I "scoped" that butt hole out. Thanks for the "loaner" hahahaha!Your usage of the word "loaner" makes the WG sound like a rental car. If you wanted to, could you afford to rent her out for a month? Or two years? We know that alpha Chad can afford this, because he doesn't have to pay. I suspect your answer will be "I only need her for an hour then I never want to see her again". That's a valid answer, but understand that some mongers are looking for a connection that is longer term.
The WG is a woman, not inanimate like a car, which means she has the capacity to be loyal and to love. One proves love through sacrifice. Other than taking a bullet for someone, I can't think of a greater sacrifice than selling one's body. If she's willing to do this for a man, than she is willing to do just about anything. Can the monger make the same claim that the WG is willing to do anything for him?
I'm not super rich, but for me 150 euros to use them like a toy feels like a win to me, the loverboy he probably really need that extra couple hundreds of euros than me.Maybe we are not making apples-to-apples comparison, I am focusing on the triangle where three specific people are involved, whereas you guys (Ho, Cane, and Jnp30) maybe have removed the WG from the equation. In other words, between the monger and loverboy, who is the winner and who is the loser in the game of life? And then your line of thinking is "well my GF is not subjected to being fucked by strangers. And I make more money, so that automatically makes me the winner!
Maybe we are not making apples-to-apples comparison, I am focusing on the triangle where three specific people are involved, whereas you guys (Ho, Cane, and Jnp30) maybe have removed the WG from the equation. In other words, between the monger and loverboy, who is the winner and who is the loser in the game of life? And then your line of thinking is "well my GF is not subjected to being fucked by strangers. And I make more money, so that automatically makes me the winner!I agree. I wasn't trying to say who is a "winner"in this P2P world, just offering perspective. In terms of a "winner," perspective on the value of money determines the "winner. " If some man can lose a couple millions in a day and not feel a thing, he's really winning, winning at many multiple of things. If the man is mongering on a budget, always watching the clock to make sure he gets every minute of his paid time, then the loverboy wins.
However, the real loser is always the prostitute. The lover boy will take all her money and leave her once she can't produce more cash, and the monger will leave her for a whole list of other reasons. In the end the prostitute is left with nothing but a big gaping hole in her heart, and of course in other areas too. LOL!
Cane seems to be more into the physical interaction, I imagine he also wants the WG to "get wet, be into it, and orgasm". Your usage of the word "loaner" makes the WG sound like a rental car. If you wanted to, could you afford to rent her out for a month? Or two years? The WG is a woman, not inanimate like a car, which means she has the capacity to be loyal and to love. One proves love through sacrifice. Other than taking a bullet for someone, I can't think of a greater sacrifice than selling one's body. If she's willing to do this for a man, than she is willing to do just about anything. Can the monger make the same claim that the WG is willing to do anything for him?First of all, you imagine wrong. Second, there's actually no need for you to imagine anything. How about you just ask me, and I will tell you? Yeah, just like anybody it's great if she "gets into it" and "gets wet" and orgasms and enjoys herself and all that jazz. Who wouldn't want that? But who are we kidding? Plenty of the girls would probably rather be somewhere else other than servicing us mongers via the "noble, self-sacrificing" profession of prostitution! So if she does a good enough job of faking it, then that's good enough for me. I don't give a shit. I'm the customer, and I'm there for me and not there for her trying to get her rocks off. I'll leave that for the guys who want the GFE. Come to think of it, she's probably going to like me a lot because I'm going to do her like "lover boy" does her LOL!
Second, my use of the word "loaner" was a play on Jnpr30's words about a girl being dumped into an FKK by the "love of her life" for our monger use and his personal financial support (kind of like getting used twice). Now, if you went on to read the rest of what I wrote, you will have noted that I followed that up with a "serious though", meaning that I look upon this whole debate mostly in jest. It's like Jnpr30 and I say. Life is a wheel that spins around and around. Sometimes you're on top. And sometimes you're not!
In conclusion, I fail to see what how long I am able to pay for a rental car has to do with anything ha! But just for clarification, yes I can afford to "rent her" for a month. I could afford to rent her for two years too! But seeing that I normally don't have a need for a rental car for more than maybe two weeks at a time, your inquiry is irrelevant to me. I have other needs and better things to do with my money. The one thing you did get right? I do only need her for an hour, which is for a much, much, much shorter period of time than I normally need a rental car for when I get one LOL! I say PSE, and you (or somebody) says GFE. To each his own!
Member #4581
12-17-17, 16:53
I don't believe in the concept of winners and losers. Everyone is living his life as he pleases. Only insecure dweebs brag about how great they have and how other men are losers.
One member here first posited here that other men are losers because they are kissing girls that he already fucked, forgetting that numerous other men have already fucked the same girl before he did. So I made the tongue in cheek reference to the Romanian lover boy. In return, the guy claimed he is a winner because 150 is not even 1% of his annual income. Seriously! That implies 15,000 lower limit on annual income. Not an amount that anyone brags about in developed world.
Say, you work at a hedge fund in NYC and make half a million a year. To most people on this planet, that makes a princely sum. I guarantee you the guy himself doesn't feel he is rich nor thinks he is a winner. His fund manager is most likely making several millions or even hundreds of millions a year. He has a hundred friends and peers who are at a higher level than him and he knows them personally. He is not comparing himself to some low level receptionist and thinking he is well off. He is generally miserable because he feels he is entitled to more and that he has been unfairly targeted by fate and life.
My point -- the only people who brag they are winners making a couple of hundred hundred grand a year or because their dick is 7 inches long are generally living a isolated life and don't even know the true winners. Ostrich head buried in sand if you will. The true winners in life are generally humble.
Maybe we are not making apples-to-apples comparison, I am focusing on the triangle where three specific people are involved, whereas you guys (Ho, Cane, and Jnp30) maybe have removed the WG from the equation.Wrong again! I've removed "lover boy" from the equation! I don't give a shit about him and what he thinks or cares about LOL! I care about me and what I get for the session I paid for. I don't care who the tute's heart "belongs to" when she leaves the club. All I care about is that she belongs to me for the period of time I have "rented" her for. All the rest of this stuff about whose on top and who she really likes blah, blah, blah? I don't give a damn! Hey look, I'm the one whose "on top" when I'm doing missionary anal with "lover boy property"! OK? Hahahaha!
Say, you work at a hedge fund in NYC and make half a million a year. To most people on this planet, that makes a princely sum. I guarantee you the guy himself doesn't feel he is rich nor thinks he is a winner. His fund manager is most likely making several millions or even hundreds of millions a year. He has a hundred friends and peers who are at a higher level than him and he knows them personally.I know I know don't have to rub it in. Hopefully I can hit half a mill next year! Fingers crossed! LOL! It's funny because you literally just described me.
Jnpr30. As you have developed this thread into a philosophical one, I may as well say, in my opinion you are so so right. The so called big shots bragging have clearly something missing inside themselves.
The true winners in life are those who are content with themselves and make the most of themselves. As you say, the true winners in life are often very humble. They have no need to brag, but impress by their very presence.
Thank you for your post, which makes the world, the forum, and me an infinitesmal bit kinder and nicer.
Rogue Nation
12-17-17, 18:32
Loverboys are doing us great work by sending girls to FKK and that is hard job to do with many time, effort and strategy invested into and cost some money even for loverboys. It is not easy as it looks and some mongers thinks.I seriously hope that you don't mean what you post. Or that you are now aware of what you are posting here. This is contemptuous and inhuman.
I seriously hope that you don't mean what you post. Or that you are now aware of what you are posting here. This is contemptuous and inhuman.He is just a troll. He has never been to any FKK and he sure as hell isn't Japanese.
BigBuddy69
12-17-17, 19:52
The guy is living in his teenage dream, don't pay attention.
Smoke Light
12-17-17, 22:23
One of my favorite girls tells me about her lifestyle. She is more mature, in her 30's. No kids, only parents in Romania. She has Romanian boyfriend who doesn't work, but does shopping, cooks food, and cleans the apartment where they live together. He also drives her to work. The car registered on her name and she swears by her words she keeps her own savings in sparkasse and on her own account. I can confirm since I sent her some money months ago and it was under her name. They rarely have sex but the boy has his own fantasies about her being fucked by many other men.
I ask why doesn't he work? "Looking for a job. " Would it be better to live with other girls and split the cost of rent? "No, I hate other girls, cannot stay with them" Do you enjoy sex with your boy? "Not anymore" You masturbate? "No because I have orgasms from DATY clients in the club, that's enough sex and fucking. " But she never refuses normal sex with her boy when both are in the mood.
LOL traditional BF / GF relationship. The girl says she couldn't go back at night to an empty apartment and be there by herself. Too much loneliness and stress.
The true winners in life are generally humble.
It's like Jnpr30 and I say. Life is a wheel that spins around and around. Sometimes you're on top. And sometimes you're not!
If I understand correctly, lover boy may be on top now because he has the WG that the monger covets. But two years from now he will be in prison, and the monger will still have his money, so the roles will be reversed. Is that what you mean?
Scope of my original argument is limited to a much smaller context: Who receives more from the WG? The loverboy or the monger? Not who has accomplished more in life. My stance is that the WG gives more of herself to her loverboy (financially, emotionally, mentally, physically). In this limited scope, he is clearly the "top of the wheel".
As I said, this is not applicable to you, Cane. A one one hour session, and maybe six months later, a second one hour session, then onto the next. But some men are seeking GFE and beyond. WGs get multiple marriage proposals a week. Some are said jokingly but not always. So there are mongers out there that have truly "fallen" for the WG. These men care who her heart belongs to and desperately want to be the one at the "top of the wheel".
Rogue Nation
12-17-17, 23:03
Who receives more from the WG? The loverboy or the monger? Not who has accomplished more in life. My stance is that the WG gives more of herself to her loverboy (financially, emotionally, mentally, physically). In this limited scope, he is clearly the "top of the wheel".I'm sure there were girls who gave me more (emotionally, mentally, physically) than they gave the (lover) boy they had at the time.
Even if a girl gives the loverboy more than her clients, he is a loser and clearly only receiving this due to manipulation and / or violence / threats. It that is what gets you to the top of the wheel: thanks but no thanks.
The guy is living in his teenage dream, don't pay attention.At least I can afford financially to live my teenage dream since my teen age till now and I will so till I die LOL Not many men can do that, but I can both financially and life wise.
Jnpr30. As you have developed this thread into a philosophical one, I may as well say, in my opinion you are so so right. The so called big shots bragging have clearly something missing inside themselves.
The true winners in life are those who are content with themselves and make the most of themselves. As you say, the true winners in life are often very humble. They have no need to brag, but impress by their very presence.
Thank you for your post, which makes the world, the forum, and me an infinitesmal bit kinder and nicer.Indeed. The presense someone gives out. An aura of sorts. Happiness. Has nothing to do about money, but love, a smile and some laughter. Sometimes you have good chemistry with someone. Then that someone turns into a winner for you. But he or she may not be a winner for all. It is all in our heads and has nothing to do with money.
I see many girls at these clubs that are winners, and that is why I return. The chemistry I feel we have. Some more, some less. Of course one have dreams about it resolving well, but it can be a tricky game, and so the imagination can at least be something.
But anything that is paid for is something of a rent. What is not to say they are items however, as items work the same every time, but a rent of their time in order to test if the chemistry is working. If they want to rid themselves of that word, then no payment is the only way. A word like rent is negatively loaded in some cultures perhaps, but linguistically it is a neutral word. Girls like the word escort instead. Perhaps it is a better word. It definitely is a positive word, and one that should be used for good effort, but these things are just rhetorics. All work is rent of time. Otherwise the economic principles of labor would drastically change. Even for that wall street fund manager.
I'm sure there were girls who gave me more (emotionally, mentally, physically) than they gave the (lover) boy they had at the time.
Even if a girl gives the loverboy more than her clients, he is a loser and clearly only receiving this due to manipulation and / or violence / threats. It that is what gets you to the top of the wheel: thanks but no thanks.Not every situation is the same. Generalizing this is a massive mistake.
I don't believe in the concept of winners and losers. Everyone is living his life as he pleases. Only insecure dweebs brag about how great they have and how other men are losers.
One member here first posited here that other men are losers because they are kissing girls that he already fucked, forgetting that numerous other men have already fucked the same girl before he did. So I made the tongue in cheek reference to the Romanian lover boy. In return, the guy claimed he is a winner because 150 is not even 1% of his annual income. Seriously! That implies 15,000 lower limit on annual income. Not an amount that anyone brags about in developed world.
Say, you work at a hedge fund in NYC and make half a million a year. To most people on this planet, that makes a princely sum. I guarantee you the guy himself doesn't feel he is rich nor thinks he is a winner. His fund manager is most likely making several millions or even hundreds of millions a year. He has a hundred friends and peers who are at a higher level than him and he knows them personally. He is not comparing himself to some low level receptionist and thinking he is well off. He is generally miserable because he feels he is entitled to more and that he has been unfairly targeted by fate and life.
My point -- the only people who brag they are winners making a couple of hundred hundred grand a year or because their dick is 7 inches long are generally living a isolated life and don't even know the true winners. Ostrich head buried in sand if you will. The true winners in life are generally humble.I could not put this any better. Some people have money to spend. I often see expensive cars in Fkks (Bentley) and they do not belong to the owner of the club. So, there are some very rich people who come to the clubs. They are not many. I once went to a club and three girls immediately were jocking for a position. Clearly they know he is a big spender. But most of the time, you will have no idea who is rich. That is the advantage of a FKK club- the person next to you could be rich or could be broke. We look similar naked. There are many types of girls and some punters are looking for a real experience. I see no advantage comparing myself to a pimp or bragging about myself. I go to the clubs for myself.
Whether you like to admit or not, we contribute greatly why these girls are sent or placed in FKK club, I mean we are the demand, and where there are demand guys supply, I realize that we plays big part in it, so do not think you are the angel in FKK cycle LOL.
There are no good guy in FKK cycle, but of course I have my manners, but I do not confuse myself that I am the good guy here LOL.
To all the comments regarding who has fucked a girl in the ass, or who has creampied who, and who has licked the same girl as someone else is just silly jokes or at best some ludicrous rethorics. If anyone means that shit they are not very bright. The human body just doesn't work that way. If a girl fucks a guy, it doesn't mean that she just fucked 500 other girls. One bacteria who jumped over is just one bacteria. One bacteria is not 500 human beings. If you want reduce 500 human beings into one bacteria, then you just created the a monster. And that monster is probably just an illusion in your own head.
Whether you like to admit or not, we contribute greatly why these girls are sent or placed in FKK club, I mean we are the demand, and where there are demand guys supply, I realize that we plays big part in it, so do not think you are the angel in FKK cycle LOL.
There are no good guy in FKK cycle, but of course I have my manners, but I do not confuse myself that I am the good guy here LOL.Depends. If the woman works alone we may just be providing her and her child with much better money than an otherwise McD job back in romania or Bulgaria. The problem is just in those cases where she has a pimp. But many girls do rid themselves of their pimps after awhile. So it is not a black and white thing. It is grey.
Buying an iPhone is also grey. Or H&M clothes. The factory workers working for 1 or 2 $ an hour take their own lives at times. So buy a mobile phone or any clothes to wear and you are supporting the dreaded industries of capitalism.
BigBuddy69
12-18-17, 22:52
You're right, there is a supply because there is a demand, but I prefer to give my money to a girl for her to get a better life in the future, than to give it to a dickhead sporting shitty tatoos and acting like a dick in his BMW.
Instead of hassling the customers with some kondom Kontrol, maybe the cops would be more inspired to control all the BMW and Audi with a romanian plate and ask the guy to give the proof that he bought the car with his own money.
You're right, there is a supply because there is a demand, but I prefer to give my money to a girl for her to get a better life in the future, than to give it to a dickhead sporting shitty tatoos and acting like a dick in his BMW.
Instead of hassling the customers with some kondom Kontrol, maybe the cops would be more inspired to control all the BMW and Audi with a romanian plate and ask the guy to give the proof that he bought the car with his own money.It is very rare in life for a man to drive a car paid for by a woman. However most cars driven by women in town are paid for by men. Many men who have been rutlessly pimped by women all their lives often come to internet forums to curse against pimps, to deplore how misogynist the world is, how violent men are, how men earn more for the same work. I'm sure in a not too distant future women will get the right, when an ex-husband is unable to pay alimony, to have him slaughtered to sell his organs. And the men queueing in front of the abattoir will still be convinced women need to be protected from evil men.
Rogue Nation
12-18-17, 23:46
Whether you like to admit or not, we contribute greatly why these girls are sent or placed in FKK club, I mean we are the demand, and where there are demand guys supply, I realize that we plays big part in it, so do not think you are the angel in FKK cycle LOL.
There are no good guy in FKK cycle, but of course I have my manners, but I do not confuse myself that I am the good guy here LOL.Valid point I am wide aware of. Doesn't mean you have to be post that loverboys do a great job.
Depends. If the woman works alone we may just be providing her and her child with much better money than an otherwise McD job back in romania or Bulgaria. The problem is just in those cases where she has a pimp. But many girls do rid themselves of their pimps after awhile. So it is not a black and white thing. It is grey.
Buying an iPhone is also grey. Or H&M clothes. The factory workers working for 1 or 2 $ an hour take their own lives at times. So buy a mobile phone or any clothes to wear and you are supporting the dreaded industries of capitalism.If woman works alone yes, but I went and we monger go with over hundred women over the course of years and so we go with many girls with so called string attached LOL.
And us even going to club gives people have incentive to do such business, so we all are contributing greatly for the system LOL.
Valid point I am wide aware of. Doesn't mean you have to be post that loverboys do a great job.No I was wrong to do that because recently they are doing very bad job because line up is not good as before and some mongers are reporting BBBJ issue though I did not experience this few weeks ago in my case. And these girls cannot even get their origin of country right confusing Romania with Spain and Italy LOL.
Member #4581
12-19-17, 04:38
Scope of my original argument is limited to a much smaller context: Who receives more from the WG? The loverboy or the monger? Not who has accomplished more in life. My stance is that the WG gives more of herself to her loverboy (financially, emotionally, mentally, physically). In this limited scope, he is clearly the "top of the wheel".
."Who receives more from the WG".
I hear your question McA, but I am afraid I don't agree with the premise.
To your last assertion in the passage, say if you once had a girl friend. You split. She becomes a hooker later in life. Does that fact make you the top of wheel of anything?
It's true the so called lover boy fucked her first, or certainly prior to the club monger. But just as there is no center of universe per Big Bang theory, there is no real "earlier fucker" in the life of a WG. She fucks so many, who cares whether x came before y did.
As for the question "who does she give more of herself to" no question she is giving her money to loverboy. I don't know for sure, never poked my head between them, but that's what the "experts" here say. Nor do Most of us aspire for her money, We just need good service for our money. Does she give him more complete and emotional sex? Who knows again?! Women's orgasm is impossible to tell. People here are skeptical of YamaYama's exploits but then brag they gave this girl or that girl an orgasm. Only the girl knows, and she can lie so why ask? I don't even try to give the girl the big O, and figure the money I pay is her true orgasm. If she fakes one or really has one, that's incidental to me.
PS. You had some very great one liners btw. Loved the alpha faux beta bux line you came up with. Wish I could coin such cute phrases.😀😀
NelsonWells
12-19-17, 10:11
I think most guys would marry the perfect wife. Finding that perfect wife is not easy though. They are a limited stock. In FKK's we find some of these limited stock specimens and can have some intimate time with them. I believe many guys here would love to marry some of these top girls they see in FKKs. But it can be hard for some to differentiate between reality and fiction. And true or wrong feelings in FKK's. So perhaps the idea that being single is the best choice is part of a strategy to also persuade oneself into not falling in the love trap while in FKK's. We do know some girls are smart at abusing it. Western Union etc.Hi!
I think that FKK Clubs have everything, but going with the feelings should not be a viable option, basically because the girls have a lot of stories and truths behind them. Whether it is because of some obligation or dedication, it is a work and we are their clients or customers (whichever way you best like to call it). I really think that it's a mistake to get your feelings all mixed up at such brothels.
If woman works alone yes, but I went and we monger go with over hundred women over the course of years and so we go with many girls with so called string attached LOL.
And us even going to club gives people have incentive to do such business, so we all are contributing greatly for the system LOL.The system of capitalism then. You cannot blame somebody needing a sock on their feet for the Bangladeshi factory falling down killing 200 factory workers. We normally only have information one step of the way onwards.
To your last assertion in the passage, say if you once had a girl friend. You split. She becomes a hooker later in life. Does that fact make you the top of wheel of anything?
It's true the so called lover boy fucked her first, or certainly prior to the club monger. But just as there is no center of universe per Big Bang theory, there is no real "earlier fucker" in the life of a WG. She fucks so many, who cares whether x came before y did.
When you write "later in life", this sounds like an indeterminate amount of time (months, years, decades, etc). Originally, I was thinking more like two years. Because generally neither the monger nor the loverboy are in the picture that long. Additionally, I was thinking that these two year snapshots would overlap in time. But yes with my two year snapshot thinking, the man whose relationship is predicated on money is the bottom of the wheel. I wasn't taken into consideration what happened to the three parties before or after this two year period: i.e. hooker goes onto become a supermodel, monger becomes billionaire, etc.
Per AFBB, who fucked who first is not relevant. But which of the relationships are predicated on her receiving money. That is, a woman will be with alphas during high school for free, marry a beta for his money, then resume having extramarital affairs with alphas for free.
Does she give him more complete and emotional sex? Who knows again?! Women's orgasm is impossible to tell.
Correct, nobody knows. But we know her reaction after the encounter. If the orgasm was so physically amazing and the connection and chemistry so emotionally strong, she would crave a repeat sexual encounter with the monger. The monger would be the one with the leverage. After all, she craves his magic stick and tongue like some crave the white powder. The monger should be able to bargain her down to free, or even expect her to pay him. I mean that's the deal her loverboy has. If she "loves" the monger as much, he should be able to get the same deal.
The relationship between love and money is quite simple. When we "love" something, we do it gladly for free. Unless one is a professional athlete, artist or some billionaire heir, we were all forced to abandon our childhood dreams and pursue something that we didn't love.
Jnpr30, would you continue to do your job if you weren't paid? Let's assume you won the lottery. Whereas, I think we can safely assume that you love to monger. Nobody has to pay you to get out of bed to go monger. You love it so much, you spend probably minimum $15 K per year on it.
As an accountant, one might answer "Last month, I spent a few weekends off-the clock and paid $1000 out of my own pocket to take a certification exam". Did this accountant sacrifice his free time due to his love for the job, or because he expected some financial reward in the future? This could be analogous to how some WGs give "free time" to their best-paying mongers.
You had some very great one liners btw. Loved the alpha faux beta bux line you came up with. Wish I could coin such cute phrases.😀😀That comes from here, which I found amusing:
http://mgtow.wikia.com/wiki/Alpha_Fux_Beta_Bux
I only started researching after XXL started using terms like "red pill", "blue-pill", "white-nighting". Was curious what cult he belonged to. But turns out to be a huge movement. Youtube videos even ocassionally show some normal looking members.
The system of capitalism then. You cannot blame somebody needing a sock on their feet for the Bangladeshi factory falling down killing 200 factory workers. We normally only have information one step of the way onwards.I am not blaming, what I am saying is that we contribute into that cycle too. Do you ever buy cheap clothes? I mean look at how cheap some of these things are and do you ever wonder how that is achieved? I am not blaming, I am saying we all are contributing to the cycle of things.
There are demand for certain things, so people whether it is loverboys or factory owners etc provide it for those demand those greedy demand whether it is sex or cheap clothes or shoes or whatever.
I realize this and I do not illusion myself that I am innocent angel saving the world here. I like good clothes, but I sometimes buy cheap clothes too and I realize how that prices are achieved and what is going on behind the scene for that.
I am not blaming, what I am saying is that we contribute into that cycle too. Do you ever buy cheap clothes? I mean look at how cheap some of these things are and do you ever wonder how that is achieved? I am not blaming, I am saying we all are contributing to the cycle of things.
There are demand for certain things, so people whether it is loverboys or factory owners etc provide it for those demand those greedy demand whether it is sex or cheap clothes or shoes or whatever.
I realize this and I do not illusion myself that I am innocent angel saving the world here. I like good clothes, but I sometimes buy cheap clothes too and I realize how that prices are achieved and what is going on behind the scene for that.But what I am saying is that I disagree. I place 100% of the blame on the factory owner. And the law enforcers letting bad construction work happen.
I noticed this year that how almost all of Polish and Czech girls are gone from line up. I love those two nationalities especially the blonde ones, so I miss them. There used to be some Czech and manyPolish, so FKK hype for girls are over no or?
I wonder if same going to happen to Romanians that are dominating LU and Bulgarians.
What do you think is the next few years span of FKK line up dominations?
I never imagined back in let say 2012 that line up will decline so significantly and polish and so many other races will not going to be in line up, thankfully I still find some Germans, but getting harder and harder.
What is the future line up. Any ukrainians soon or what? We need more divierse line up FKK once had.
PussyLiccker
12-21-17, 22:28
I forsee more Romanians, and Romainians upsellz for you MrHo. LOL. Baby baby I wantchuuuuu. So, sexy guy.
I forsee more Romanians, and Romainians upsellz for you MrHo. LOL. Baby baby I wantchuuuuu. So, sexy guy.Yeah another one is I want your milk, meaning she want CIM options LOL.
Romanians are hot girls, but I really love line up when it is diverse like once upon a time like.
It always were Romanian dominated, I love their Latin looks, but then there were about 5 to 10 Germans some hybrid with immigrant back ground, always in club, about 7 polish always, even student type German were seen sometimes, but now. It is more like 90% Romanians everywhere and in every club.
YY sound promising, but I wonder if there are some dutch girls in YY like at least half Morocco half dutch or something considering the immigration level in Holland being high.
But what I am saying is that I disagree. I place 100% of the blame on the factory owner. And the law enforcers letting bad construction work happen.Yeah for actual lacking for care, but man, consumers demand it so supplier adjust to it and only way is to cut cost that accelerate. Same with mongering, we demand they supply, I mean it is 50 euro per 30 min man, it really is cheap considering what we get sometimes, so we are part of cycle, I do not blame totally on loverboys, but that do not mean we have to push them to do better jobs. I mean we need more polish and Czech and German girls in line up.
I like Romanians and Bulgarians, but I need my blondes and brunettes like from Poland and Czech and Germany, they are almost vanishing type in line up now.
Rogue Nation
12-21-17, 23:46
Romania and Bulgaria are by far the poorest and most corrupt countries in the EU. As long as the income difference is as high as it is right now, Ro and Bu girls will come. Standard of living in Poland and Czech is better than 10 years ago, girls stay home. Same for Hungary, though there are still some Puszta queens around.
Romania and Bulgaria are by far the poorest and most corrupt countries in the EU. As long as the income difference is as high as it is right now, Ro and Bu girls will come. Standard of living in Poland and Czech is better than 10 years ago, girls stay home. Same for Hungary, though there are still some Puszta queens around.So as a professional monger who has mind adjustment ability, I take it like this, I shall begin to enjoy my young beauties pussies based on economical and political climate changes in Europe LOL.
My time with Polish and Hungarian girls etc were good for years, so now that they are gone, I shall now enjoy the Romanian seasons and Bulgarian season for couple of years more till or if their nation get better, if they get better.
Then after that what will come to line up?
As for Germans, since FKK is right next to their home, we always get here and there but much less than before in FKK, though we will always see German girls popping in FKK for summer holiday or weekend fast cash job now and then, so I will try my best to catch Germans then during those rare occasions.
I miss those days when quite few German girls were always there in line up, now just 2 or 3 Germans and mostly it is not stunner as before in most cases.
I got to check out Hamburg FKK as even LU is not as big, there are 3 FKK there that are big enough to visit and German girls seems to be there and I have to say whether it is true what they say or not, but most German stunners I went in German FKK were from mostly Hamburg region, I wonder why that is if it is true. Hamburg got high unemployment or something?
Hamburg got high unemployment or something?Hamburg. Biker capitol of Europe.
BigBuddy69
12-22-17, 11:40
Serbia is very poor too, maybe you'll see more serbian women.
Serbia is very poor too, maybe you'll see more serbian women.Man,
Why didn't you tell me this before LOL I love love Serbian girls, but I never came across one that is hot in FKK, but now that I am so excited, I will not sleep tonight here thinking about future me fucking Serbian stunner in German FKK LOL.
Self claiming Moldovan are already there in FKK. Most likely Romanians being right next nation.
Ukrainians are the ones that I am really hoping for and arguably some Greece. I love Ukrainian girls and given their nations situation, it is possible, but problem is visa for them to get into Germany right?
Rogue Nation
12-22-17, 15:16
Serbia is very poor too, maybe you'll see more serbian women.Serbia is not a EU member.
BigBuddy69
12-22-17, 17:15
You're right, they're candidate to join the EU. But Romania and Bulgaria have been part of the EU since 2007 and I guess that there were already bu. And ro. Girls in FKK before, no?
Rogue Nation
12-22-17, 17:41
You're right, they're candidate to join the EU. But Romania and Bulgaria have been part of the EU since 2007 and I guess that there were already bu. And ro. Girls in FKK before, no?A lot less than now. From 2000 until 2006 Romanian and Bulgarian girls were less than 10% of the girls I sessioned with. From 2010 until 2016 it were 80%.
BigBuddy69
12-22-17, 21:57
Which were the main nationalities?
Citizen Kane
12-22-17, 22:50
Which were the main nationalities?Polish, Czech, German, Russian.
Rogue Nation
12-22-17, 23:24
Polish, Czech, German, Russian.Plus Latinas. Latvian. Lithuanian. Hungarian. Some Spanish or Italians, rarely though. Some Asian girls, mostly in the RLD.
You're right, they're candidate to join the EU. But Romania and Bulgaria have been part of the EU since 2007 and I guess that there were already bu. And ro. Girls in FKK before, no?Ah! So that is it! Now I am avid supporter of any eastern European nations joining EU! That is the key to our lineup!
Man! Putin messed us up with Ukraine!! If Ukraine joined EU we would have been so filled with Ukrainian girls in LU. They are real beauties and they fuck good.
EU or scengen joining of these nations are the key to good line up.
But with Greece, they did not come to FKK during or after crisis. Only greek girl I know is at palace and she is not hot at all unfortunately.
Polish, Czech, German, Russian.That must have been the golden time for real LOL.
Now they are all vanished except for very few in numubers. Thanksfully we still got some germans in club like. 2 or 3, not even, but they are not stunners.
I used to find teenage model type German stunners, now this is a dream. Where are they? Hamburg FKK?
The independent country of Moldova is the poorest of them all. I have enjoyed the pleasures of a few girls from Moldova over the years (not to be confused with "Romanian Moldavia" or "Romanian Moldova" or "Western Moldavia", which is a part of the country of Romania). I know! Here we go again about "Moldova" versus "Moldavia", etc. Anyway, the best was a slender blonde going by "Ruby" at BumsAlp in Zurich. Said she was from Chisinau, Moldova. She liked using plenty of very dirty, bad words both before and during sex. This is what I like as it sets the mood for a great PSE session, which she delivered. Ruby is probably long gone by now.
https://www.therichest.com/rich-list/poorest-list/the-10-most-poverty-ridden-countries-in-europe/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Moldavia
Hamburg. Biker capitol of Europe.So that is good sign for me to find good stunner german girls there at FKK then.
I mean that kind of explain why so many German stunner I sessioned with are from hamburg LOL.
Biker capital=many German girls in FKK there at Hamburg?
BigBuddy69
12-23-17, 19:36
Biker capital = lots of hells angels with beer belly and tatoos.
Rogue Nation
12-23-17, 20:17
The independent country of Moldova is the poorest of them all. Not a EU member as well.
Not a EU member as well.I didn't say that the nation of Moldova is an EU member. I was only pointing out that it is considered to be the poorest nation in Europe (and that I have been pleasured by a few women from there). Given this, I'm sure that Mr. Ho so, so wishes that Moldova was indeed an EU member so that attractive, blonde, Moldovan tutes like the one I had at BumsAlp could flood the FKK clubs in the west with new talent. Maybe next Christmas Mr. Ho. Ho, Ho, Ho! Hahaha!
Not a EU member as well.Doesn't matter to Traian Basascu. So why should it matter in this discussion?
https://youtu.be/LKAkhPTd-As
I didn't say that the nation of Moldova is an EU member. I was only pointing out that it is considered to be the poorest nation in Europe (and that I have been pleasured by a few women from there). Given this, I'm sure that Mr. Ho so, so wishes that Moldova was indeed an EU member so that attractive, blonde, Moldovan tutes like the one I had at BumsAlp could flood the FKK clubs in the west with new talent. Maybe next Christmas Mr. Ho. Ho, Ho, Ho! Hahaha!Ho Ho Ho! Happy mongering to you all for year 2018!
Now my mongering for 2017 is over and my girl is my right hand till 2018 LOL! I am not going to use these rubber toys to masterbate that destroyed my penis that is totally fixed now like formula 1 new season car LOL.
I am planning to hit Hamburg, so doing some military level research to how to penetrate main three clubs, only harmony seems to be hard to get to, but due to good LU for Germans there with tall model type stunners that I cannot miss.
Also I want to hit YY too next time I am in NRW, gosh I got to get there via Venlo, I got to tell all my friends now that I love train travel in Europe as a cover stories LOL.
I am going to say I am European train fan as cover story for why I travel all over Germany only in same cities few times per year LOL!
Biker capital = lots of hells angels with beer belly and tatoos.Not in FKK I hope.
But these guys did good job running FKK back in the days called FKK Colosseum.
Rogue Nation
12-24-17, 09:34
Doesn't matter to Traian Basascu. So why should it matter in this discussion?
https://youtu.be/LKAkhPTd-AsBecause you rarely find girls from Moldova here. Only if they apply for a Romanian passport.
Now that I look back. I actually have great memories with quite few FKK girls here and there that are not just sessions after sessions.
I do not let them grow under my skin totally, but there are quite few girls that I remember for rest of my life. It is strange thing because I remember them due to they did what I ask them to do all the way as I dreamt / fantasized it and still kept being so sweet in room and out and day after day, some years after years.
FKK can be fine place where they give you such memories that one can cherish in exchange for money.
Of course, most girls are just sessions, but others are kinda different that grow in your memory FKK melancholy.
Because you rarely find girls from Moldova here. Only if they apply for a Romanian passport.On the contrary I've met plenty who claims to be from Chisinau Moldova. And the video and some research I did all claims well over 100 k Moldovan have changed nationality since Romania become an EU member. Mainly just to be allowed to work in Europe. Like the video also says.
Because you rarely find girls from Moldova here. Only if they apply for a Romanian passport.Which means they are Romanians LOL.
So no more Spanish or Italian, but Romanian now say they are Moldovan, well that is little improvement on their identity issues LOL.
Which means they are Romanians LOL.
So no more Spanish or Italian, but Romanian now say they are Moldovan, well that is little improvement on their identity issues LOL.But does really a passport and a new citizenship make you into another ethnic group?
In my book, every moldovan is a moldovan, romanian moldova or chisinau moldova, same thing. But then again, moldova is historically just a part of romania. Its better to divide romania into 3: wallachia, transylvania and moldavia.
I don't consider a Turkish German to be German either. Nor an Iraqi swede to be Swedish or a Mexican American to be American. Nor an Algerian or Senegalese french to be french, nor an Indian British to be a Brit. Etc.
Rogue Nation
12-25-17, 23:21
On the contrary I've met plenty who claims to be from Chisinau Moldova. I've met hundreds claiming to be from Spain, Italy, Hungary. Too bad they sometimes didn't even know the name of their home country's capital.
On the contrary I've met plenty who claims to be from Chisinau Moldova. And the video and some research I did all claims well over 100 k Moldovan have changed nationality since Romania become an EU member. Mainly just to be allowed to work in Europe. Like the video also says.I just met one in Palace, blonde one with blue eye, very much my type beside the big ass. I think Mr pussylicker would like her.
I forgot her name, but she is blonde Moldavian with blue eyes, not hard to notice.
To me she was good service in room, but I went for one hour.
On the contrary I've met plenty who claims to be from Chisinau Moldova. And the video and some research I did all claims well over 100 k Moldovan have changed nationality since Romania become an EU member. Mainly just to be allowed to work in Europe. Like the video also says.So I expect to see more Moldovan girls, they got plenty of Russian / Ukrainian decent real blonde Moldavian there, so I want those hopefully.
But does really a passport and a new citizenship make you into another ethnic group?
In my book, every moldovan is a moldovan, romanian moldova or chisinau moldova, same thing. But then again, moldova is historically just a part of romania. Its better to divide romania into 3: wallachia, transylvania and moldavia.
I don't consider a Turkish German to be German either. Nor an Iraqi swede to be Swedish or a Mexican American to be American. Nor an Algerian or Senegalese french to be french, nor an Indian British to be a Brit. Etc.Well I have been to Chisinau and Bucharest, and I must say Moldova by far has more Russian and Ukrainian decent girls like white skin, blonde type, so it raises probability of better diverse line up if they can come to German FKK to work, I like Ukrainian and Russian type blonde girls among others.
I like romanian latin types too, they are beauties, but I miss diversed line up.
But does really a passport and a new citizenship make you into another ethnic group?
In my book, every moldovan is a moldovan, romanian moldova or chisinau moldova, same thing. But then again, moldova is historically just a part of romania. Its better to divide romania into 3: wallachia, transylvania and moldavia.
I don't consider a Turkish German to be German either. Nor an Iraqi swede to be Swedish or a Mexican American to be American. Nor an Algerian or Senegalese french to be french, nor an Indian British to be a Brit. Etc.But some German / Turkish girls or some Turkish girls are really hot for sex. Sali. Tu at Sharks met on November became so hot after giving me her liquid, then so sensitive for fucking.
But some German / Turkish girls or some Turkish girls are really hot for sex. Sali. Tu at Sharks met on November became so hot after giving me her liquid, then so sensitive for fucking.I agree about half exotic back ground and half German. But man, this is what I am on about, lately we do not find many of them anymore. Less and less. I used to love them as my German exotic collections and also German white girls as main target for me.
By reading it, Hamburg FKK are still the place for these type of girls I mentioned above. I often read like German blonde barbie type, or half Iran half German etc on hamburg FKK threads.
But some German / Turkish girls or some Turkish girls are really hot for sex. Sali. Tu at Sharks met on November became so hot after giving me her liquid, then so sensitive for fucking.I was not saying Turkish girls were not hot. But they are still different, for better or worse than German girls. As in a different flavour.
Well I have been to Chisinau and Bucharest, and I must say Moldova by far has more Russian and Ukrainian decent girls like white skin, blonde type, so it raises probability of better diverse line up if they can come to German FKK to work, I like Ukrainian and Russian type blonde girls among others.
I like romanian latin types too, they are beauties, but I miss diversed line up.Yes, and like I said its better to divide Romania into 3 also. Wallachia where Bucharest is (the Vlachs are Italian related), Transylvania which has a strong Hungarian mixture and maybe some of the claimed Hungarians are actually born there, and then Moldova both the Romanian part around Iasi and the country around Chisinau. So you find a lot more Ukrainian / Russian looking girls in the Asia area than in southern Wallachia also. Which means we already have this diversity. But of course adding Moldova to the EU might increase their numbers.
I guess we are already lucky Romania is such a diverse country already.
I've met hundreds claiming to be from Spain, Italy, Hungary. Too bad they sometimes didn't even know the name of their home country's capital.Maybe, but its much more plausible that they are some of the well over 100000 Moldavian with Romanian citizenship.
Another thing I just heard was that ethnic Hungarians in Transylvania can easily get Hungarian citizenship at the consulate in Cluj-Napoca. And there is over a million ethnic Hungarians there.
I was not saying Turkish girls were not hot. But they are still different, for better or worse than German girls. As in a different flavour.In my experience, quite a few of these so-called "Turkish girls" encountered in Fkks seem to be more German than Turkish. Most of them were born and / or spent their whole lives in Germany, some have never even visited Turkey. They may look Turkish on the outside, but on the inside they're as German as Bratwurst or Stau am Autobahn. (Again: In my limited experience.).
Neurosynth
12-29-17, 01:15
This doesn't have to be complicated if one is clear. There is citizenship, and that's a legal status. There is ethnicity in terms of looks. And then there is ethnicity in terms of behavior.
E. g. "She has a Bulgarian passport, and she looks like she's a Gypsy, but she was raised in Germany and acts like a German. ".
Yes, and like I said its better to divide Romania into 3 also. Wallachia where Bucharest is (the Vlachs are Italian related), Transylvania which has a strong Hungarian mixture and maybe some of the claimed Hungarians are actually born there, and then Moldova both the Romanian part around Iasi and the country around Chisinau. So you find a lot more Ukrainian / Russian looking girls in the Asia area than in southern Wallachia also. Which means we already have this diversity. But of course adding Moldova to the EU might increase their numbers.
I guess we are already lucky Romania is such a diverse country already.Wow I did not know that one. And I have been there LOL.
Well we need more Ukrainian Russian looking Romanian girls in FKK then.
Hmmm so far I only found one girl who had blonde, blue kinda eye, white skin Romanian in German FKK, it was a girl in living room. Rest are all tanned Italian direction Romanian which I also like, but too much domination lately LOL.
Rogue Nation
12-29-17, 11:47
Another thing I just heard was that ethnic Hungarians in Transylvania can easily get Hungarian citizenship at the consulate in Cluj-Napoca. And there is over a million ethnic Hungarians there.Doesn't change anything re work permit as both countries are EU members.
Hoping for non EU girls to flood the clubs is wishful thinking. Will not happen on a big scale. There might be the occasional girl married to guy with a EU passport allowing her to work, like most Asian or South American girls here, but that's about it. Faked passports are another option, occurred from time to time at some club raids.
Member #4581
12-29-17, 21:29
Interesting.
If faking a passport, wouldn't it be easier to obtain one in Romania or Bulgaria, if you are a Ukrainian girl and desperate to work in EU as a WG or something else? Might be able to obtain a real Romanian passport, as I hear corruption is rampant in those parts and perhaps a bribe of one or two grand might do it.
Rogue Nation
12-29-17, 23:16
Hmmm so far I only found one girl who had blonde, blue kinda eye, white skin Romanian in German FKK, it was a girl in living room. Rest are all tanned Italian direction Romanian which I also like, but too much domination lately LOL.Really? Then you haven't seen many clubs or girls. I can think of plenty of Romanian girls of that type, not necessarily with blue eyes or real blondes.
Interesting.
If faking a passport, wouldn't it be easier to obtain one in Romania or Bulgaria, if you are a Ukrainian girl and desperate to work in EU as a WG or something else? Might be able to obtain a real Romanian passport, as I hear corruption is rampant in those parts and perhaps a bribe of one or two grand might do it.Infrastructure is already setup for young WGs from Ukraine, Moldova or other FSU countries. They go to Russia, Dubai, UAE, Turkey, Israel where there is already established demand.
People are receptive to bribes only when it can't be easily traced back to them. Issuing of passports follows strict protocol and is a tightly-controlled process that has undergone even greater scrutiny since the 9/11 attacks.
Really? Then you haven't seen many clubs or girls. I can think of plenty of Romanian girls of that type, not necessarily with blue eyes or real blondes.Well I have been to FKK for 7 or 8 years, so I have been rather around, but yeah I am choosy, so I only go with very few girls to my taste.
So far my use for Romanian are Latino looks that I sometimes crave for, you know bit tanned kind of with strong facial figure model type, so I never really came across natural blonde Romanian before you know the one with Russian or Ukrainian decent back ground.
I did this holiday in LR, the funny part was she told me she is 20 years old, and I was like wow, then she was like almost 21 with finger up as I did not like younger, so I told her that younger the better within legal limit LOL.
Well I hope to find those white skin, natural blonde Romanian more then. Fake blonde Romanian girls claiming to be Spanish or Italian, I meet every trip LOL.
Smoke Light
12-30-17, 16:53
So far my use for Romanian are Latino looks that I sometimes crave for, you know bit tanned kind of with strong facial figure model type, so I never really came across natural blonde Romanian before you know the one with Russian or Ukrainian decent back ground.Mr Ho,
Does this girl fit your Romanian-latina specs?
https://youtu.be/bEUrwaEsZ5A
Infrastructure is already setup for young WGs from Ukraine, Moldova or other FSU countries. They go to Russia, Dubai, UAE, Turkey, Israel where there is already established demand.Can find lots of Russian apartment girls at some places in Europe also. Plus the Marbella houses which is a fairly large pool also.
Mr Ho,
Does this girl fit your Romanian-latina specs?
https://youtu.be/bEUrwaEsZ5AYes kind of, but I have seen much better ones in FKK for that direction of type.
Romanian girls kind of cater to my taste of kinda real beautiful hot Latino girls you see on American R&B music videos or some hip hop videos.
My favorite is real beauty natural blonde barbie model type German, Russian or Ukrainian girls and some polish blondes, which is hard to find nowadays, so hmmm.
Plus line up has been similar in most FKK I goto, so in 2018 I am going to have to go to Hamburg to taste some new stunners in hamburg FKKs. I hear there are some stunners there and I need new stunners to fuck as I have been fucking more or less same stunners for long time now.
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