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That's probably a good sign that you probably made her temporarily forget. But some additional context might help:
How long was the first room? How far into the second room did she utter "Cum in my mouth. No charge"?
1 hour the first time and second session was towards the end of an hour 5 days later. I just came back from Amsterdam with some supplies and I told her that it was difficult to finish when I I smoke a lot of herb.
Sometimes advertising campaigns target women. Romantic comedy is a genre of movie that resonates with women. So the people behind the production must understand the woman psyche. What makes them laugh, what makes them cry, what turns them on.I laugh, cry, and get turned on when watching RomComs too!
I had some luck with civilian women, particularly early in life. Now I am just a "has-been" who resorts to seeing WGs. My relative success might contribute to my bias: If a woman truly cares for you, she will not allow you to pay for her lifestyle. This assumes, of course, she has some income of her own.I think this is a bit too idealistic a view of caring. I hold the view that most people are good, but also that most people are very selfish. A woman can still care for you but still use you because she is also selfish. Teamwork in relationships and self sacrifice is unfortunately much harder to find from attractive women these days. And the ones who fit that bill usually gets scooped up by the time they're 25.
Anyway, it doesn't matters if you're just wanting to spend some time with a young attractive girl without risking feeling like a creep hitting on cute girls 15 years younger than you in your home environment.
I don't doubt that there are good-looking charming FKK customers. But to a drop-dead gorgeous 21 yo, such men would be a dime a dozen in her private life. She goes to Ibiza, gets invited to VIP suite, and meets such men. She does some photo-shoots, meets some male models. She can choose to have flings and relationships with any one of them. These civilian men would not know she is a WG. They would never hand money to her, and thus she will never feel like she is a WG. They would have never fucked her in the same brothel room where she's fucked 500 other men. In short, when she is with a good-looking, charming civilian man, she will never be reminded that she is a WG.I do agree that the girl would probably prefer to be found with civilian men so she wouldn't feel like a working girl.
I think some calibration needs to be made. Most of these girls are not drop dead gorgeous. In fact when I see their Facebook profiles most of them actually look quite ordinary. And the few I've seen in public, I don't remember being all that impressed with the way they made themselves up, dresses, or carried themselves. A different story when I see them in sleepwear when walking up to the Sharks dorms though, LOL. Anyway, point is I don't think most of these girls would stand out when next to normally attractive civilians much less be found at a modeling shoot.
Nope, according to a census, 3% of Romanian populations declare themselves gypsies. There are probably more, since being gypsy is seen as a negative in Romania so they don't all declare themselves as such, but from 3 to 33% there is a huge difference. Go to Bucharest or Cluj and see for yourself.Agreed. People who associate Romani gypsies with Romania just haven't done their research and fell victim to the early 2000's inaccurate association of gypsies with Romania. A lot of Gypsies left Eastern Europe in the 90's after communism fell and even more left Romania when it entered the EU in 2007. People who didn't know better just associated Romani gypsies with Romania. Simply put, these people were easily tricked by the similar sounding names, Romanian and Romani.
Gypsies are found everywhere, 1.5 million estimated in Spain versus 500,000 estimated in Romania. France, Hungary, Bulgaria, Turkey, Russia all have more Romani people. Heck, the USA has twice as many people of Romani ancestry than Romania. Just about the only European countries that do not have more Romani than Romania are small countries or WWII German occupied states, and that's because the Germans killed them all!
Did you know that Romanians originally came from India? A thousand years ago they crossed over from the Punjab. Much of the Romanian language is still Sanskrit.Oh man!
And every one of them had a real BF in their 20's who made average salaries but got to fuck them for free.
I don't completely agree with your statement above if I understand you correctly.
First all in this particular case of mine quoted in your post, what I meant "lover-boy" (the term contains more meaning of LOVE than BF) means that (1) I don't pay her for sex. (2) I know she is in love with me from my extensive experience which makes me know what is real and what is fake as you probably know me by now from your previous posts that I am not a dumb guy. I can be her real BF if I want to, but I choose not to because I want to leave my door open to do other girls, meaning I don't live with her and see her about 1.5 times a week. By the way, this case is not my first time and I had many same or similar cases before.
I agree with you that any young girl can only LOVE one man (her lover-boy or BF) at the time. But I disagree with you that that man has to be in his 20's if that is what you meant. There were a ton of cases that young school-girls in their teens were in love with and ran away with their middle-aged teachers, just for an obvious example.
Footnote: If any reader is inspired by my case, I give you one important tip. Only try the girls at 18 and 19 years old (preferably 18) and do not try any girl over 20 because most likely it won't work and the girls over 20 are mature enough not (or very difficult) to be seduced into love.
Nope, according to a census, 3% of Romanian populations declare themselves gypsies. There are probably more, since being gypsy is seen as a negative in Romania so they don't all declare themselves as such, but from 3 to 33% there is a huge difference. Go to Bucharest or Cluj and see for yourself.Gypsie or not Gypsie, as long as she is stunner level beautiful girls, then it is OK by my penis LOL.
If there are so few Romani from Romania, then how do you explain the Manele music industry? You do realise that this is a purely Romani thing right? Or that so many of the girls even have Romani cultural shirts even with them at work for late night partying.
Personally I have come to like Romani quite a bit from having met these girls in FKK's. And I find them fascinating. As persons they are impossible to tell the difference of from other people though, but the partying spirit is nice.
I don't completely agree with your statement above if I understand you correctly.
First all in this particular case of mine quoted in your post, what I meant "lover-boy" (the term contains more meaning of LOVE than BF) means that (1) I don't pay her for sex. (2) I know she is in love with me from my extensive experience which makes me know what is real and what is fake as you probably know me by now from your previous posts that I am not a dumb guy. I can be her real BF if I want to, but I choose not to because I want to leave my door open to do other girls, meaning I don't live with her and see her about 1.5 times a week. By the way, this case is not my first time and I had many same or similar cases before..I don't look for love with prostitutes who are fucked by everybody, but I look for pleasure in my mind which is much more important for me than emptying balls. I don't beg with girls, I don't ask them anything, I wait they will to please me, so I behave to give them will to please me. It doesn't work so bad for me. When you really make them cum, most don't seem to really cum often, because they look at you like a alien, ask to have a short break, to go to toilets, and don't look at you in same way.
On Friday night, I made cum with violent orgasm, repeated on Saturday night also very deep, so she asked if I wanted to come again on Sunday, when I was only a 100 for 1 h room on both nights and she had a client who fucked her many times on both day for 500 per day, but I preferred to repeat with my top class old girl, 25 yo, on Sunday. I have my respect they feel, manners they see, and skill they experience, with girls. I learned all from my love with my exceptional girlfriends in real life. For last 2, I made them asking for sex, never heard about headache, last one asked me when she was very horny from period, to fuck her, with her blood on me. It's just nature, nothing dirty.
When I decided to stop with my LR Eve on 12 October night, because of her public foreplay on that night when we had a great day less than 1 week ago when she was free whole day for me, I knew what I lost, but couldn't look at her anymore as a woman, but just a prostitute, so not anymore desirable as I wrote to her. Because she was told about my writings by some jealous guys before I stopped with her, I told her I would never name her, so she knew these guys just need to bullshit because they never read her name, when I never named and will never name her. Since October, she changed her way for business and for look.
Working hard in whole FKK land, from Hamburg where I had beauty Linda. De, to Globe where I had top sexy, super GFE girls making you feel they are in love with you, I had super GFE Fabienne at YY, Kity as often I wanted, a exceptional German escort, some high level German girls at GT, sometimes from Thursday night to Monday night, but every week end in FKK land, but I only find again a new Eve on last week end, more than 8 months to find a real new Eve..8 months, more than 80 days in FKK land, from Hamburg to Zurich, through NRW and Hessen, not so easy to find a Eve.
First all in this particular case of mine quoted in your post, what I meant "lover-boy" (the term contains more meaning of LOVE than BF) means that (1) I don't pay her for sex. (2) I know she is in love with me from my extensive experience which makes me know what is real and what is fake as you probably know me by now from your previous posts that I am not a dumb guy. I can be her real BF if I want to, but I choose not to because I want to leave my door open to do other girls, meaning I don't live with her and see her about 1.5 times a week. By the way, this case is not my first time and I had many same or similar cases before.For the record, I don't think I was ever dismissive toward you or anybody else. I try my best not to deny anybody's experiences, because I obviously was not there. My intent is to get posters to open up with more info. Why? Because I am sure readers would like to benchmark their experiences against people like yourself, in order to assess if if they have / had something "real" with their WG.
What is the typical seduction process? Specifically the part of the seduction process where you are still a customer paying market rate. Six one hour sessions over a two month period? Two three hour sessions over a week? How many sessions before it becomes free? In both the above scenarios I would consider the customer "in the hole". Or in casino speak, down 600 EUR. Do you ever break even or profit from your original investment? Meaning she starts to pay for more things than you pay for? This assumes you actually spend time together where opportunities exist for both parties to spend money on one another (shopping, dining, traveling, night clubs, etc).
If you are truly both only in it for sexual gratification as fuck buddies, then essentially she would just text you when she wants, then she would come over to fuck you for three hours, then leave. Only cost to you is maybe a 4 EUR bottle of wine that you had lying around. Since most of the time spent together is inside of a hotel room or flat, you would probably never recover your 600 EUR (unless she started bringing meals and gifts to you, paid with by her own money). Regardless, if you get six months of absolutely free sex from just a 600 EUR investment, I am sure all of us can agree, that is an extremely positive outcome.
I think this is a bit too idealistic a view of caring. I hold the view that most people are good, but also that most people are very selfish. A woman can still care for you but still use you because she is also selfish. Teamwork in relationships and self sacrifice is unfortunately much harder to find from attractive women these days. And the ones who fit that bill usually gets scooped up by the time they're 25.I'd say most girls in their early 20's are still idealistic. They still believe in "romantic love". If money was a primary concern, then Romanian women in their early-20's would never hook up with Romanian guys their own age (truck drivers, construction workers. Etc). This holds true even for some of the money-worshiping Romanian WGs, many of which are early 20's.
But once a girls reaches age 30, things change: a prospective man's income starts to take on more importance. This turning point can happen sooner too. It's dependent on cultural factors as well: (1) average marrying age, (2) prevalence of single mothers, (3) how negative society's view towards "gold diggers" are.
Neurosynth
06-20-18, 00:22
FWIW "loverboy" is also a Dutch term of art for a certain kind of pimp. These are guys who prey on very young naive girls, often rural, who are seduced and then psychologically manipulated into working in window-style prostitution. I think the term has widened in use over the years.
I'd say most girls in their early 20's are still idealistic. They still believe in "romantic love". If money was a primary concern, then Romanian women in their early-20's would never hook up with Romanian guys their own age (truck drivers, construction workers. Etc). This holds true even for some of the money-worshiping Romanian WGs, many of which are early 20's.Most normal girls from affluent backgrounds remain idealistic for a while but girls who come from poverty lose their idealism much much earlier. But that doesn't mean they would never date a poor guy. Jaded, money hungry women all over the world still get in relationships with broke, loser boyfriends well into there 30's. Women are inconsistent and incongruent so the words always and never should hardly ever be used to describe their actions.
But as far as Romanian WGs, I don't know many of them who date poor Romanian boys. Most vehemently seem to avoid them. I do see quite a few drawn to the pompous money flaunting Turkish-Romanian guys.
The one Romanian WG that I know for sure who is now currently dating a literal truck driver, well that's the one who was with me for 9 months. So she must be bat shit crazy.
But once a girls reaches age 30, things change: a prospective man's income starts to take on more importance. This turning point can happen sooner too. It's dependent on cultural factors as well: (1) average marrying age, (2) prevalence of single mothers, (3) how negative society's view towards "gold diggers" are.For Romanians, I would say quite earlier. Doesn't seem like the gold digger stigma has quite as negative a stigma in Romanian culture as compared to most other societies. Where I live, the American South, the first 2 factors apply. So in my reality of local girls and Romanian WGs, 25 seems to be more the age where women change.
For the record, I don't think I was ever dismissive toward you or anybody else. I try my best not to deny anybody's experiences, because I obviously was not there. My intent is to get posters to open up with more info. Why? Because I am sure readers would like to benchmark their experiences against people like yourself, in order to assess if if they have / had something "real" with their WG.
What is the typical seduction process? Specifically the part of the seduction process where you are still a customer paying market rate. Six one hour sessions over a two month period? Two three hour sessions over a week? How many sessions before it becomes free? In both the above scenarios I would consider the customer "in the hole". Or in casino speak, down 600 EUR. Do you ever break even or profit from your original investment? Meaning she starts to pay for more things than you pay for? This assumes you actually spend time together where opportunities exist for both parties to spend money on one another (shopping, dining, traveling, night clubs, etc)..Can we stop the "size" comparison? I take anything said with a grain of salt because it cannot be verified and people embellish or have faulty memories. When it come to seduction, you either have game or are just a looker.
What is the typical seduction process? Specifically the part of the seduction process where you are still a customer paying market rate. Six one hour sessions over a two month period? Two three hour sessions over a week? How many sessions before it becomes free? In both the above scenarios I would consider the customer "in the hole". Or in casino speak, down 600 EUR. Do you ever break even or profit from your original investment? Meaning she starts to pay for more things than you pay for? Just like any other local monger, I monger normally and don't "invest" on any WG for the purpose of being their loverboy for free session. I did between 120 and 140 sessions a year. But I am a cheap guy and most of my sessions were 30 min with cost of about 70 euro per 30-min session on average. Once in a while I found the girl whom I liked a lot, so I did more sessions with her. For this particular girl, I did 7 or 8 30-min normal sessions before starting to get free session. But I don't consider they were the "investment" because I had good time with her and would do her anyway even if I don't get free session now. I admit I have special feeling for her and care about her. I have my moral standard and don't ask her for anything except free sex.
I think that for local mongers like you, after 4 sessions with the WG within relatively short period of time, you can start to make a move because by that time she knows that you have special interest in her and are not a "normal" monger for her. But the key is that you HAVE TO select the girl at 18 or 19 years old (preferably 18) and it won't work if she is over 19. During the later sessions, you should start to make some romantic comments like I like you a lot, you are beautiful and so on.
Just to be clear, I will never get into serious relationship with any WG like boyfriend and girlfriend relationship. It is just not for me. But loverboy is different with BF as I will explain in my next post.
FWIW "loverboy" is also a Dutch term of art for a certain kind of pimp. These are guys who prey on very young naive girls, often rural, who are seduced and then psychologically manipulated into working in window-style prostitution. I think the term has widened in use over the years.I am very glad you brought this up because I saw many posters used the word "loverboy" which actually doesn't have exactly the same meaning as boyfriend (BF). You are right that Dutch use it to a pimp for young girl. Loverboy should mean a man who provides a girl, usually a young girl, with his love which she is addicted to as a chemical substance just like cocaine and other addictive substances for exchange of her sex and money if he convinces her into prostitution. The key feature of loverboy is love and the girl involved must be addicted to his love.
On the word boyfriend, the girl in the relationship of boyfriend and girlfriend doesn't have to be addicted to his love and can be without his love. So boyfriend is not necessarily a loverboy. Loverboy is not necessarily a boyfriend. These two words have different meaning.
I think that in general if the girl is between 18 and 20, we could call her male friend her loverboy because the girls in these ages are much more vulnerable to love. If the girl is 21 or more, it is better to call her male friend her boyfriend because the relationship is much more than just love if any.
Just like any other local monger, I monger normally and don't "invest" on any WG for the purpose of being their loverboy for free session. I did between 120 and 140 sessions a year. But I am a cheap guy and most of my sessions were 30 min with cost of about 70 euro per 30-min session on average. Once in a while I found the girl whom I liked a lot, so I did more sessions with her. For this particular girl, I did 7 or 8 30-min normal sessions before starting to get free session. But I don't consider they were the "investment" because I had good time with her and would do her anyway even if I don't get free session now. I admit I have special feeling for her and care about her. I have my moral standard and don't ask her for anything except free sex.
I think that for local mongers like you, after 4 sessions with the WG within relatively short period of time, you can start to make a move because by that time she knows that you have special interest in her and are not a "normal" monger for her. But the key is that you HAVE TO select the girl at 18 or 19 years old (preferably 18) and it won't work if she is over 19. During the later sessions, you should start to make some romantic comments like I like you a lot, you are beautiful and so on..18/20 yo little girls have not much interest to play with, only maybe worth for freshness and not always. Most often lack of sensuality for behavior and in bed, I prefer to play with woman types, much more interesting, and usually mum women are great for sweetness in bed. I love classy mannered, elegant woman types.
I love You from a girl or when You made her cum, don t mean anything in this business. Today she may claim to love You, and tomorrow hate You. Not real love like in real life, just illusion, even when it s for free and out of clubs. What a pride to have relationship with a WG fucked by everybody for money.
I really enjoy when difficult to communicate with the girl, not speaking english, then only eyes, smiles, hands and caresses talk. Really enjoyable, no lies.
Most normal girls from affluent backgrounds remain idealistic for a while but girls who come from poverty lose their idealism much much earlier. But that doesn't mean they would never date a poor guy. Jaded, money hungry women all over the world still get in relationships with broke, loser boyfriends well into there 30's. Women are inconsistent and incongruent so the words always and never should hardly ever be used to describe their actions.I totally agree on this one, and there are tons of examples. Except it might be better to not generalise women. Better to say both men and women are inconsistent in these matters. It is part of being individuals.
I admit I have special feeling for her and care about her.If you have special feelings and care about her, I assume you go out with her in public.
I have my moral standard and don't ask her for anything except free sex.Often times people never ask. Sometimes it is understood. If I am at a restaurant with a GF, she will just ask for the check and pay. We more or less alternate on who pays. But nobody keeps track whose "turn" it is. If I specifically insist on going to an upscale restaurant of my choosing, then of course, I would pay every time. For bigger things like holidays, a GF would say something like "I already booked the airfare. Don't forget to book the hotel".
For the first example, I never asked her to pay. For the second example, we may have agreed a week prior on dates for a planned holiday, but I never asked her to pay for our airfare. She just did it proactively. And then told me that I was responsible for paying for the hotel.
For this particular girl, I did 7 or 8 30-min normal sessions before starting to get free session.
So that first free session would represent the "turning point". Does she just tell you at the money locker, "you don't need to pay"? Do you offer to pay, then she hands the money back to you?
So that first free session would represent the "turning point". Does she just tell you at the money locker, "you don't need to pay"? Do you offer to pay, then she hands the money back to you?In my experience with 2 girls who gave me "in club" discounts, I always offered to pay at reception or near the lockers. I'the take out my money wallet or the appropriate amount, they'the quickly grab just a single 50 or 100 note and take off when the bill should have been 200 or 300. Never had a completely free session in the club. If they were upset at me for something, they would take the full amount.
In my experience with 2 girls who gave me "in club" discounts, I always offered to pay at reception or near the lockers. I'the take out my money wallet or the appropriate amount, they'the quickly grab just a single 50 or 100 note and take off when the bill should have been 200 or 300. Never had a completely free session in the club. If they were upset at me for something, they would take the full amount.Girls do not like other clients to see how much you are charging who because apparently many guys accuse girls of you did that to such and such for how much etc LOL.
However, nothing is free in FKK no matter what. I got free session once in FKK, but that is only I gave her free legal herbs as I promised to bring a day earlier, so I guess she was touched that I remembered and brought it for her, but again, it is not really free, I paid for that legal herbs though it must have been like 10 euro as a value and I got good 30 min.
Nothing is free in tuting world in one way or another we are paying for it.
On the other hand, nothing is free in sex with normal girls either, you are paying for wining and dining, trips, hotels etc etc.
Some guys see this reality, most guys do not see this reality and lives in illusion that girls and society sells to you LOL.
McAdonis,
I will give you a overview of the relationship between us, otherwise we will get into endless discussions which would be beyond the point of helping the readers and I am not interested in.
First all, I don't go to FKK clubs as you probably know, so there is no locker room. Everything happened before 7 or 8 sessions was in the room of a brothel. I have always one principle in my mind and that is: my love for her as the currency exchanges for her sex, the same principle as loverboy's as I explained in my previous post. Remember she is in love with me and our relationship is a relationship of loverboy and his girl. In theory and in practice, I don't have to pay anything for free sex because I provide her with my love. In this particular case, I could even ask her for money if I want to, based on my intuition, because she is a very popular WG and has good money. But I never did as I said I have my moral standard.
To answer your questions, we don't go to restaurant or have any outside event. When we met (usually in her place), we made love as she said. I didn't buy anything for her, none. But each time when I went there I made sure that I expressed my love for her and that is all she wants and wants to hear from me.
Lastly, I think that your "turning point" question is important for you and other readers to handle the moment for your own cases in the future. I basically said: "I love you and can I make love to you in your place or my place?" she said: "yes" ... Then we never talk about money for sex again.
McAdonis, if you feel that it is not proper to say what I said (I love you and can I make love to you in your place or my place?) That means your relationship with the WG is not ready yet for private meetings. You have to get to that point before having free sex.
Smoke Light
06-21-18, 12:39
McAdonis,
I will give you a overview of the relationship between us, otherwise we will get into endless discussions which would be beyond the point of helping the readers and I am not interested in.Bfsie,
What you are describing reads like a hot movie plot. Could you kindly tell us how this relationship has ended (I am assuming it has), because it's also important to the subject of this discussion.
For ISG readers who are travelling mongers not living in Germany or a neighboring country, the situation is different and more difficult. For example, after a good number of my sessions with one girl, she asked to stop kissing her. Why? She said because she doesn't want to get too close and to fall in love with someone who isn't local. It made me kinda suffer and I suddenly felt lost in my heart because I wasn't prepared for such a change. However, I care about her and I don't force the issue further. I still fuck her each time she is in a club, but it has a feel of an ex girlfriend. If she'd start kissing again, I'd spend a lot more time with her in the room.
What you are describing reads like a hot movie plot. Could you kindly tell us how this relationship has ended (I am assuming it has), because it's also important to the subject of this discussion.
The relationship has not ended and is still going on. It is not like a hot movie plot and it happens a lot in sex industry in Netherlands and Germany where I am very familiar with, particularly to the WGs at 18 and 19 years old.
For ISG readers who are travelling mongers not living in Germany or a neighboring country, the situation is different and more difficult.
You are absolutely right. Traveling mongers have tremendous disadvantage in terms of relationship with WGs and actually make it almost impossible. So I don't blame traveling mongers' failure to have meaningful relationships with WGs and I have sympathy to them.
For example, after a good number of my sessions with one girl, she asked to stop kissing her. Why? She said because she doesn't want to get too close and to fall in love with someone who isn't local. Unfortunately this is the mentality of the WGs in Germany and Netherlands.
UltraHappy
06-21-18, 15:54
The relationship has not ended and is still going on. It is not like a hot movie plot and it happens a lot in sex industry in Netherlands and Germany where I am very familiar with, particularly to the WGs at 18 and 19 years old.I am surprised that she is not paying you tons and tons of cash for you to be her "loverboy" - LOL.
Perhaps this could be a source of side income for you or another career option?
You are a lucky man!
Perhaps this could be a source of side income for you or another career option?
LOL. I have my moral standard and will never do this no matter how poor I am, because they are the real victims of sex industry and I have my sympathy to them.
I want to make some brief here for my last travel (15-17 June) . I made lots of RFF here before I go because every time I am being so excited about my FKK Travels. In ramadan lots of free time in Office and at home waiting for İftar. But weirdly I couldn't figüre out that Summer will has such serious effect on lineups. I was assuming Mid July or August will be bad but I wasnt expecting that for Mid June. Also let me know your comments how does it affect with certain clubs? I haven't been to Palace but I guess Both Sharks and Palace not much affected of Summer. Abroad clubs are much more affected like Oase and World.
Sagami.
I gathered it through the distributor in Czech Republic. They send it in two business days. I had one box of 0. 001 and one box 0. 002 mm. I heard that 0. 001 is only for Oral Sex. I don't know it is true or not. They send me the Euro size but 0. 001 was really hard to put on dick. Some girls couldn't do it and give it to me to handle. Maybe I should use the gel inside the box. 0. 002 has no problem to get on. But I felt the difference between 0. 002 and 0. 001. When I use it first time in Oase I cumm in 15 seconds becuse I didn't cumm in 15 days. Amazonde has better prices but 20-30 days delivery time.
Comparisons-Oase-Sharks-World.
I have posted detailed posts in related threads but I want to make a brief here. I was very disappointed with Oase but I think this club too much effected of summer. There were many new girls. And I was looking too much first timer. I was a little bit tired and in payment area I forgot to wait for hand wrist and the girl called me and in bar area after I put my passport and Money to box I moved to lockers area and barmen called me "Hey your tower and shoes man!" and some girls saw that. I was in a shy mood. Every girl asked me Is it your first time? Famous Helena couldn't catch me. She is telling "You remember my twin. I am new here! I think she is a bad liar. I will visit World as my 3rd club in my next visits if I am so much bored of Sharks and Oase.
FRA or NRW.
Definitely NRW. My previous NRW visit was fabolous. I know there is summer effect this time but I believe recently GT and even Samya service levels are higher than all FRA clubs. This year GT has been my best club.
Note: Normally I was so decisive not to go Ocean's again but a girl in World told me they are allowing girls wear clothes and also man can have. It is really can be interesting to see these women in mini skirts. It just turns me on. I understand your point to see them naked so no surprise in room but I think this rule not always have to be followed. So this is an innovation.
Hotel.
Intercity Darmstadt. Always a good choice. Kind staff. Nice rooms. Affordable prices. 70 Euro per night. Close to Haubhanhoff. A very close supermarket. Book and Drive Station just in front. (anyone tried this? How is cost?) Parking 12 Euro per day.
Car.
I enjoyed a smart this time. Usually pay 50 euro gasoline but this time it was about 33 euro. I hope I don't have any speed tickets this time.
Kreiss Mettman.
I had an unpaid fine from my previous visit. Turkish banks are asking 50 usd for an international transfer. It is very hard to understand for me why banks are closed at 3 p. M on Friday in Germany. I was so lucky that I find a kind lady accepted to make the payment through her Sparkasse Account through cash machine. My suggestion is to obey speed limits in Germany. It can be trouble to pay the fine. Also it is hard to understand why rental company charge you 20 euro just to process the speed tickets.
UltraHappy
06-21-18, 17:44
I had an unpaid fine from my previous visit. Turkish banks are asking 50 usd for an international transfer. It can be trouble to pay the fine. Also it is hard to understand why rental company charge you 20 euro just to process the speed tickets.Very easy to pay German speeding tickets with www.transferwise.com. Only costs $3 fee to pay directly to German city IBAN account. Transferwise even has an app for your phone, so you can just pay with your phone if you want.
The administrative fee from the car rental company is supposedly to cover their administration costs for having to search their database for your info and filling out the ticket paperwork that says who was driving the car when the ticket was issued.
I was assuming Mid July or August will be bad but I wasnt expecting that for Mid June.
Girls always coming and going. Summer is always a nice time to visit for me. Sure, a few of the girls are away on holiday at any one time, but plenty of other girls still working. I mean, it's not like they all decide to leave at the same time. Some girls take their holiday early, some late, some for 2-3 weeks, some for 1-2 months. If you are interested in booking a particular girl, that's what Whatsapp is for. For example, I avoided buying a ticket to Germany back in March because my favorite girl was on a holiday that month.
Car.
I enjoyed a smart this time. Usually pay 50 euro gasoline but this time it was about 33 euro.
With Sixt, the price difference per day between a Smart and the next size up is only $1-$2 per day. That minimal savings is not enough for me to justify getting a Smart. Much better in my opinion to get a Volkwagen Polo or Ford Fiesta size car. Smart has no power steering. Just my personal opinion.
If you have never had a healthy relationship with a woman who makes a good income I guess you will see it this way. Plenty of guys in clubs who are married to good women but have a desire for younger, more attractive women for sex. Does not mean they are not in happy relationships. There's more value in a woman than good sex. Some are good mothers and caring life partners. Just because you do not see value in this does not make other men victims of illusion. They can quite possibly love a woman and still have desire for sex with other women. Open your mind. Or at least embrace a more mature view of human relationships.
Girls do not like other clients to see how much you are charging who because apparently many guys accuse girls of you did that to such and such for how much etc LOL.
However, nothing is free in FKK no matter what. I got free session once in FKK, but that is only I gave her free legal herbs as I promised to bring a day earlier, so I guess she was touched that I remembered and brought it for her, but again, it is not really free, I paid for that legal herbs though it must have been like 10 euro as a value and I got good 30 min.
Nothing is free in tuting world in one way or another we are paying for it.
On the other hand, nothing is free in sex with normal girls either, you are paying for wining and dining, trips, hotels etc etc.
Some guys see this reality, most guys do not see this reality and lives in illusion that girls and society sells to you LOL.
Polyamorist
06-21-18, 20:44
For example, after a good number of my sessions with one girl, she asked to stop kissing her. Why? She said because she doesn't want to get too close and to fall in love with someone who isn't local. It made me kinda suffer and I suddenly felt lost in my heart because I wasn't prepared for such a change. However, I care about her and I don't force the issue further. I still fuck her each time she is in a club, but it has a feel of an ex girlfriend. If she'd start kissing again, I'd spend a lot more time with her in the room.Ya kebdy 3 aleyk, Smoke Light! Kick her to the curb. She is messing with your head. I can't be a bystander to this. She claims to be afraid of emotional bondage, but it is really you who are the one in emotional bondage because you are paying for rooms in which the girl isn't even kissing. In effect she is saying, "I'm better than you".
The number one rule of a session in Fuck Club: neither side is trying to put the other side down. "Thou shalt not be a victim, thou shalt not be a perpetrator. ".
Kick her to the curb!
Smoke Light
06-21-18, 22:06
Ya kebdy 3 aleyk, Smoke Light! Kick her to the curb. She is messing with your head. I can't be a bystander to this. She claims to be afraid of emotional bondage, but it is really you who are the one in emotional bondage because you are paying for rooms in which the girl isn't even kissing, in effect saying, "I'm better than you".
The number one rule of a session in Fuck Club: neither side is trying to put the other side down. "Thou shalt not be a victim, thou shalt not be a perpetrator. ".
Kick her to the curb!Good day Polyamorist.
You are 100% correct. I petty myself for knowing the truth and not resisting going with her again. And again, and again, LOL. My problem is when she is working, I cannot take my eyes off of her. Guilty as charged and plain stupid! In my defense I say she fits all my specs extremely well and does all the extras I need except DFK. I see it as a challenge to break her behavior on my next mongering trip in August.
Der Auslander
06-21-18, 23:50
For example, after a good number of my sessions with one girl, she asked to stop kissing her. Why? She said because she doesn't want to get too close and to fall in love with someone who isn't local. It made me kinda suffer and I suddenly felt lost in my heart because I wasn't prepared for such a change. However, I care about her and I don't force the issue further. I still fuck her each time she is in a club, but it has a feel of an ex girlfriend. If she'd start kissing again, I'd spend a lot more time with her in the room.What a right load of old codswallop! She's a hooker who fucks for a living and is also fucking with your brain! Unless you are fucking her for free, do yourself a big big favour and dump her immediately! In fact even if you are fucking her for free, dump the headwrecker immediately! Believe me there are plenty of Muppets out there who girls like this very easily take advantage of! Guys who too easily part with their cash because they have feelings for a WG or because they think the WG has feelings for them! Wise up about this fast!
Which NRW clubs are most likely to have natural girls (no silicone) and <23 yrs? Thanks!
If you have never had a healthy relationship with a woman who makes a good income I guess you will see it this way. Plenty of guys in clubs who are married to good women but have a desire for younger, more attractive women for sex. Does not mean they are not in happy relationships. There's more value in a woman than good sex. Some are good mothers and caring life partners. Just because you do not see value in this does not make other men victims of illusion. They can quite possibly love a woman and still have desire for sex with other women. Open your mind. Or at least embrace a more mature view of human relationships.Well that is the thing you fail to understand, I understand you see more value in women than looks and sex and age, so I see where your opinion came from and your mindset. Society implanted this into your head and it is this mindset that is actually very closed.
The thing is I only see value in women as beauty, age, and based on that good sex. I opened my mind and go different path to what society tried to implant me to think.
Maybe you can love old women, I cannot, for me they have to be young and beautiful.
Maybe you can see beauty in ugly women, I cannot, they have to be beautiful.
Very easy to pay German speeding tickets with www.transferwise.com. Only costs $3 fee to pay directly to German city IBAN account. Transferwise even has an app for your phone, so you can just pay with your phone if you want.
The administrative fee from the car rental company is supposedly to cover their administration costs for having to search their database for your info and filling out the ticket paperwork that says who was driving the car when the ticket was issued.
Girls always coming and going. Summer is always a nice time to visit for me. Sure, a few of the girls are away on holiday at any one time, but plenty of other girls still working. I mean, it's not like they all decide to leave at the same time. Some girls take their holiday early, some late, some for 2-3 weeks, some for 1-2 months. If you are interested in booking a particular girl, that's what Whatsapp is for. For example, I avoided buying a ticket to Germany back in March because my favorite girl was on a holiday that month.
With Sixt, the price difference per day between a Smart and the next size up is only $1-$2 per day. That minimal savings is not enough for me to justify getting a Smart. Much better in my opinion to get a Volkwagen Polo or Ford Fiesta size car. Smart has no power steering. Just my personal opinion.Thanks for this useful info I will use it next time. I had a train ticket penalty in my winter visit and a speed ticket in my previous visit. It was really a trouble to find information and pay them. I handled both in a way. I had to spend a few hours from my valuable time there. I prefer to spend that time in FKK when I am in Germany. I know that Polo and others just a few euro more but when you consider saves on gasoline it can goes up to 10 per day and it makes 56 Turkish Liras which is a considerable money here in Turkey. (You can have 2 time lunch with this money.).
For Summer effect I am not sure some girls are gone some are present. %80 of girls there were newcomers. I never had a girl's number from FKK. This can be something fun when you are back in your country.
Thanks for your contributions.
What a right load of old codswallop! She's a hooker who fucks for a living and is also fucking with your brain! Unless you are fucking her for free, do yourself a big big favour and dump her immediately! In fact even if you are fucking her for free, dump the headwrecker immediately! Believe me there are plenty of Muppets out there who girls like this very easily take advantage of! Guys who too easily part with their cash because they have feelings for a WG or because they think the WG has feelings for them! Wise up about this fast!Well said! I would not necessarily dump her, especially if she is good in bed. But that should be a lesson about dealing with a working girl. Money is their primary motivation, it's a job for them. Let's not forget that.
Der Auslander. Well said. We need to remind ourselves every day that there are some girls who specialise in fucking our bodies and some who fuck with our brains. Just as some of us do to them. It takes all sorts.
Smoke Light
06-22-18, 17:25
What a right load of old codswallop! She's a hooker who fucks for a living and is also fucking with your brain! Unless you are fucking her for free, do yourself a big big favour and dump her immediately! In fact even if you are fucking her for free, dump the headwrecker immediately! Believe me there are plenty of Muppets out there who girls like this very easily take advantage of! Guys who too easily part with their cash because they have feelings for a WG or because they think the WG has feelings for them! Wise up about this fast!Auslander and everybody.
I am so glad I shared my info on this WG. It's amazing to read your heartfelt responses. And I have some good news to tell. This morning I got off the phone with this girl after an hour-long conversation. I confronted her on the subject and told her what she did was bad and stated my ultimatum on the DFK. My main argument was that after all, the mutual goal of the prostitute and her client is to be completely satisfied. She gets a fair pay and he has all his fantasies fulfilled. Why settle for less? After a minute or two of deliberation she accepted my reasoning and backed out. I got a clear promise that the DFK services shall resume from now on as requested.
But wait, there is more! I was still in bed around 8 am in the morning while we video chat. This little brat dressed up and showed me her skimpy lingerie and stockings she wore in the club the day before. She said one guy fucked her in this attire except she took off her panties. She kept wiggling her ass in front of the bedroom mirror in her apartment. The view was so nice that I finished easily in my hand in 20 seconds like a teenager. We both ended the video chat with a big smile on our faces.
You can see, this thread has already made a big difference. Emotions, sex, and P6 adventures are exciting mix, but we mongers must stay vigilant and realistic. And let's learn from others mistakes instead of making our own. Thanks again to all of you on for sharing great wisdom on ISG!
SmokeLight. I see it could look like I was commenting on your personal experience. I did not mean to do this: I apologise for my lack of clarity due to my intermittent cursory look at this thread. I just wanted to back up Der Auslander's general point and make a general point about, as you put it, keeping vigilance and realism.
As for your personal story: I try not to critique other people's stories, unless they are engaged in some macho p. g contest, or are of the "What I do is right, what you do is wrong, loser" ilk. If what you do is working for you, good
Cheers
SmokeLight. Your story about the non kissing. I have had exactly the same experience. I continued to go with the girl because for various reasons, she was still worth it for me. Normally I insist on kissing, but every experience is different.
I saw the episode as being within the definition of mind fucking and decided it was ok for me to participate in this one case, eyes open. All adds to the fun LOL.
Polyamorist refers to it as emotional bondage. It is so. But there is a two way flow of met needs. She gets money, satisfies some emotional need, and I shared time with a remarkable sexy woman, and clearly met some emotional need.
The episode is past and I consider my life to have been enriched. If I were constantly repeating this pattern of course it would be a different matter
If your girl restores the free from extra charge dfk after your ultimatum from reading the forum replies, well done
Polyamorist
06-23-18, 13:49
SmokeLight. Your story about the non kissing. I have had exactly the same experience. Exactly the same? Has anybody else run into this? Maybe all the girls in Germany are being told not to kiss. But SmokeLight's tale shows that if you stand your ground, you will get the Real Deal. And the girl will enjoy it more, and you will enjoy it more. She can go back with the excuse, "he was a hard case, he made me do it".
Better a handful of dry dates and content therewith than to own the Gate of Peacocks and be kicked in the eye by a broody camel.
Polyamorist. It was a few years past. I have only heard of a couple of people having similar experiences
Just by chance your post is fatefully relevant to me. A few minutes ago I thought I was with the Peacock Gates. It turns out she is a broody camel and I have been well and truly kicked. Now I am left dejected, and deserted. I will settle for some dry dates, happily.
HungryStud101
06-23-18, 16:41
Auslander and everybody.
I am so glad I shared my info on this WG. It's amazing to read your heartfelt responses. And I have some good news to tell. This morning I got off the phone with this girl after an hour-long conversation. I confronted her on the subject a....
You can see, this thread has already made a big difference. Emotions, sex, and P6 adventures are exciting mix, but we mongers must stay vigilant and realistic. And let's learn from others mistakes instead of making our own. Thanks again to all of you on for sharing great wisdom on ISG!
Der Auslander et. Al. Are giving you sound advice based on experience. I have another take on it though: I long for the days when I used to be naive enough enough to fall in love with my hooker. I used to trick myself that I loved this one or that one and there was the distinct possibility that I would run off with her. Knowing better of course that I would not but I would love to play in this alternative reality. I would make myself believe it and the sex was so good.
There was so much more passion back then.
These days I cannot even fool my callused heart. The age discrepancy and my shape and circumstances etc. Makes the possibility of such an arrangement totally ridiculous. I really miss those days where love with my favorite escort was a distinct possibility. It feels too transactional these days. Every once in awhile I will meet a girl that will push the envelope. There was a girl in Brazil that wanted to meet me at my hotel after the privy closed there was another at Sharks that talked about wanting to exit the game. One girl that I met at a few parties in Montreal a few years back came home with me for free (long story) but even she burst my bubble a few months later by suggesting a 6 hour date for a really good discounted price because 1-hour with me just wasn't long enough. Right? TDLs for me are mostly hell these days anyway. I can't even lie to myself anymore. And be careful because these girls can lie to themselves. I sometimes think that they really believe it could work. The smart hobbyist will run like the wind but staying and playing it so much more fun. If you can believe.
A young hobbyist is like taking a 7-year old to Disney's Magic Kingdom for the first time. I envy you.
If you were a stunning 22 year old Romanian girl, what would you do if you had already decided to work in an FKK? Which FKK would you work in? Which customers would you aim for? How would your game be?
It is all game theory.
Me personally I would fuck pistons for free. LOL! But on a serious side, it can be hard for us to see the world from other eyes sometimes. We need to get under their skin. In more ways than one. But in an FKK, at least we can start getting under their skin in one simple way pretty quickly if we want to.
Me personally I would fuck pistons for free. LOL! But on a serious side, it can be hard for us to see the world from other eyes sometimes. We need to get under their skin. In more ways than one. But in an FKK, at least we can start getting under their skin in one simple way pretty quickly if we want to.Getting under the skin of girls in FKK is simple. Money.
These girls made tough decision to become tutes, these girls are in FKK to make money, some mongers often forget that the decision they made is very brave decision for such girls to make and they are determined to come out of tuting with some amount of money that is meaningful to their life with limited options. Most girls failed to come out from tuting with such amount, mostly come out of it with nothing or minus money and most never be able to come out of tuting at all.
Being nice and having good behavior helps in FKK as it is human to human business, but it is mostly money period.
It is nice to see some glimpse of girls being girls when you treat them nice, but I never forget the fundamental of tute and client relations, which is money. It is strange relation though when you repeat girls over few years. We meet few times per year for couple of year then one day, they are gone in to their path of life, I actually love this melancholy side of tuting.
I go for jogging in park with forest and pond everyday and I often think about some tutes that gave me unforgettable beautiful sexual memories. I think about that somehow especially in autumn season as it is sentimental season, it is funny melancholy feeling.
Having said that, when I meet new stunner in FKK or else where and she is giving me those moment, I know that I am living life at that moment as I live it, this for me is one thing I love the most with mongering and every new year I know in advance that I am going to meet new beautiful young stunner who is going to give me new memory this year, this for me is the great feeling I feel every year.
Mongering enable me to give me what I dreamed of when I was a child and secure me that every year, it is beautiful adventures that is secured. Each year and each trip my heart beat knowing that I am going to meet new stunner to fuck, I wonder how many more new stunners I will meet this year.
High light for me is that, at the end of year month in toward end of November or early December, I take end of year mongering trip to put good period for each year end, I love ending year with such good mongering trip to put nice good period to each end of the year for living life and also excitement secure wish for another new year coming of new young beautiful stunners to fuck. It is real freezing in Germany or Zurich at that time though LOL, but it is a must trip that I take and I will always take as long as I live.
On the side note, it is always nice to meet old monger in FKK by chance at bar etc. And listen to their mongering story and advice in life, I met few that are over 60 or even 70 who were interesting to listen to, they all advice me not to marry LOL.
The best advice one of them gave me was, think about your wife to be the worst of worst like being real nasty in personality, looks, smell, aging ass, disability, over demand etc then if you still love her and want to live with her for life in such state she will eventually become or occasionally become, then marry her, if not do not marry LOL.
Member #4581
06-24-18, 04:30
Monday.
Took the red eye into FRA on this nice Monday morning. Pilot announces showers are expected later in the day, and temperature is balmy but not too warm. I had decided on Sharks for today, with Oase for Tuesday and Sharks on Thursday, for obvious reasons. It is a breeze through the immigration, customs, and even the car rental. Wish I could say the same while coming back -- for some reason there was a ridiculous mile long queue when departing FRA airport, and so many folks stuck in the line were missing their flights. Anyway, I drove to Darmstadt and the nice people at the hotel gave me a room although it was just 11:30 AM yet. There was a messe in the city this week, and hotel prices were sky high. I paid nearly 200 Euro per night for a room, for a place which normally costs less than a hundred per night. One guest who was standing next to me at the hotel check-in was haggling over the price, and eventually walked out because they were quoting him more than $250 a night.
I am writing this report like a blog entry, alternating between Sharks and Oase. So, I am positing in the lounge instead. If this buggers you, feel free to flame me.
Sharks LU.
Naya. Tallish brown hair; firm body ROm.
Cleo big tits MILF.
Vanessa cute faced brunette 170 cm.
Selina blonde.
Jennifer.
Olivia, slim and petite.
Ada.
Esther.
Bianca.
Maleeva one week at Sharks, sagging tits petite and cute face.
Large tits Betty MILF. Promised rimming and ball licking as a gift.
Ivana. One week at Sharks. A cups reasonably slim, brunette, cute face.
Alexandra. Skinny blonde. Friend of Ivana.
Viorica. Wolves tats, denis tat on hand. Cropped brunette hair, nice and smiling face.
Damica.
Maya ex Globe.
Petite Ellen.
Larissa. Now a MILF look.
Nikki. Model body great tits.
Nicole.
Linda.
Anori. Via Stuttgart.
Claudia Brazil.
Mara. Small tits brunette, cute face.
Crystal. Fake blonde bolt ONS. 2 years at Sharks.
Anna. Slim brunette at the German table.
Melissa ex Eva Oase. 10 days in business.
Dolly blonde, friend of Melissa.
Betty now blonde.
Blonde MILF friend of NAya, forgot name.
Paloma.
Samantha big tits Hungarian blonde.
Alice Hungarian.
Cora long blonde hair, Rom, 6 months.
Alexa dark hair skinny Moldavia.
Maria rom, blonde and slim, 2 weeks.
Steffi.
Lori, brown hair, 3 weeks.
Coco brownish blonde hair, slim and skinny Siena duo.
Sabina Catalina.
Sidonia.
Elif.
Overweight MILF Adriana.
Now blondish Melanie with glasses.
Skinny blonde Anastasia.
Slim blonde cosmina.
Very skinny blonde Ariella.
Pretty Viviana.
Slightly MILF looking Edith, sagging but big tits.
Ava.
Sky. Black girl, Sierra Leone via London. Massive tits.
Zainab. Turkish and Rom.
Honey. Ex Sophia Living Room. Plat blonde, small A tits.
Kylie the Greek. Spent time in Bristol. Magnificent tits. Regal. From Thessaloniki.
Hungarian Judith.
Slightly oldish face Anna, but still pretty and great firm body.
Boyish hair cut Raissa.
Lorena.
Sim blonde Coco (says she is the original Coco, not the other one).
Oase LU
Hadina.
Anna friend of Hadina, long brunette hair, slim, cute face.
Anna half Asian look, but claimed to be Moldavian.
Betwice? Is that even a real name? Pretty blonde girl, not quite skinny but slim, blonde.
Catalina. Annabel duo.
Vicki. Tattoo down the right arm.
Mira.
Maya.
Camilla.
Annabel.
Thai May.
Loredana claimed Greek but did not know Loredana Berte. Was not quizzing her, mind you. Namesake.
Dalina.
Ina. Brunette. Slim. Tats.
Ifthiana? Eftiana? Tall, blondish hair.
Raissa.
Estephania.
Julia skinny blonde.
Yvette.
Michaela.
Michelle.
Blonde round face Sonia.
Blonde, not overweight but not slim Ava long time Oase.
Brown hair Nicole sits by the TV on the deck. Sagging tits.
Slim cute, half Asian look brunette Celina.
Katrina the tall Amazon pretty face.
Adele.
Ivana, cute face.
Erica.
Natasha, slight mil look.
Emma small girl, brownish blonde slightly sagging tits.
Bina / Rina? Skinny, tight body blonde cute face.
Juana. MILF, long time in biz, but new in Oase.
Jamie. Curly dark hair, smiling face, vegan.
Maria.
Suginella. Small brunette, small tits.
Lalida.
Carla.
After a nice lunch at a local establishment, I arrive at Sharks around 2:45 PM. Man, I miss this place so much. The cashier chick gives me a recognition smile. Even on this early Monday afternoon, there are already 25 to 30 women. Not super enticing however. I know I have a whole week, but also know that after a long flight and no sleep, I am somewhat depleted and need to speed up my sessions as I might doze off soon. I began eyeing this brunette chick Ivana who had a cute face, reasonably slim body, and hair in a pony tail. At first she is doing rounds by herself, and then starts walking hand in hand with her skinny blonde friend. I am in my usual spot by the waterfall and they approach me to sell a threesome (sex with 2 girls is threesome, with 3 girls is a foursome; I now know why I think of myself as handsome). I turn away the blonde Alexandra (because she was wrapped up in a towel -- later on, I realized the blonde had a very nice body and a cute face, but never had a chance to try her out). Anyway, I ask Ivana her terms. She says 50 E will fetch you a blow job in compliance with the law and no kissing yadda yadda. I demur. She senses she is losing a sale on a slow afternoon, caves in on the raincoat aspect, and we head to one of fish tank rooms. Blow job is perfunctory, she keeps asking me if we should begin fucking after every couple of sucks, and I lost patience after 5 to 6 min, and we began doing the old in and out. Sometimes in these first fucks, I blow the load inside 5 min, but for some reason today nothing happens for well into 20+ minutes By this time, and having already changed 3,4 positions, this girl is desperately looking to leave the room. So we wrap up around 23 min. I hope some others, perhaps in a full hour session can finagle a better performance from Ivana, but I am afraid I reached the upper limit of what a 50 E can buy from this sex seller in a first session and it was not much.
I saw Jennifer sitting next to the bar, normally where Steffi sits, and I had and't been with her in a while. I give her a quick smile, and she makes her way to me. It is around 4:15 PM. I had a business call to make at 5 PM and I told her I needed to make it a quick half hour session. She naturally thinks I am purposely taking a short session, and there was no point trying to convince her otherwise. I had in the past, taken full hour sessions with her, so she knows I like her. Anyway, she looks good. I had been somewhat critical of her slight tummy in the past, but it is no longer a distraction from her charms. She also has a good overall tan. Still only 19 I think. She does a striking face, darn it. Anyway, even though it was just a 30 M session, Jennifer gives a pretty good service. I wish I could have kept it to an hour, but I had to rush out, take a quick shower for my call, and although I had every intention of repeating with Jennifer later on in the week, just never happened.
I am somewhat bummed that my girl Magda is not in. She had promised a friend that she would come in today. Not only does she not show up today, she was AWOL the whole week. Even her cousin Linda is not there. And I had hoped I might hit the jackpot and meet Mandy or Sandra (the latter has not been reported to be in the club in a while, but one can always hope). Anyway, no such luck.
A bit after 6 PM, I grab some light dinner, and settle down by the German tables with a nice drink. This smallish skinny blonde chick with A cup tits and cute face is walking by. We began talking. Maya is from Globe. First day in Sharks. A friend had told her about Hessen clubs and she wanted to try them out. Anyway, she says she gives good service and is used to the Globe standards. I thought I should give her a poke, as the optics are good and she seems to have a good sex ethic. We head to the upstairs room. It is pouring outside, with a decent amount of thunder. Wee had the windows opened, a slight drizzle wafts inside but still quite humid and sweaty. Feels somewhat romantic to be fucking this young chick. I dig her looks. Pretty darned good service. Nice blow job, slurpy. We move onto the sex side, and she does a small bit of emoting but nothing too grostesque. I had and't achieved a climax in my first two rooms, so this one is over by 35 min. Five min shorter, could have left the room but given the clock I just lie down, play with her hair and titties and chat a bit. She seemed pretty disappointed with Germany. Says she is used to Globe where girls are kicked out if a couple of guys complain, but here in Sharks she has to give all the stuff for a measly 50. Feels a bit strange, because she gave me really good service just now. Anyway, we leave the room around the 50th min. Se tells me she will not stay in the club for more than a week. I make a mental note to repeat with her in one of the remaining days. Alas, did not work out.
Not too long after, I reminded myself to take it easy and not rush into a session. For one, my climaxes are getting few and far between. Age is a high price to pay for maturity, but in my case I gave up a lot of the latter to gain even more of the former. Not a good trade. But just as I was steeling myself with some self discipline, I run into the vivacious short haired brunette. She is not as skinny as I normally like, and she is a bit taller than my preferred options, but there is something about her. We start talking. Her name is Viorica. I swear I was unaware that she is the princess girl of UncleOx at that moment -- he does have great tastes, does and't he?! Anyway, I vaguely remember reading good stuff about her in the forum here, her looks are appealing to me, she is smart, pleasant, and funny and I wanted to give her a spin. We head to the other set of stairs and grab the corner room with a massive bed. Off the bat, I told her that it is unlikely that I could finish, but let us have some fun. Damn, her service is so damn fucking sizzling hot. She definitely wants to make her man happy. Ask and it shall be given. For that hour and half, she became my personal sex toy, and so much more pleasing than anything I ever found under my Christmas trees growing up. Very much against the odds, I reach the high point. Could not stop giggling afterwards. She is sooo tender as we lay there for a while, and she richly deserved the tip she received.
Naya was the first girl I saw as I walked into the club earlier in the afternoon. I was so glad to see she was healthy and still looked nice. I have known Naya from my very first visit to Sharks. Amazingly, she looks as good as she used to be. Not an ounce of fat gained. Perhaps a half wrinkle here and there, but if you don't know her age, you are very likely to guess it 5 years short. All that said, she is not the short, small tit skinny type I normally go for. Naya knows that as well. I do take her every once in a while just to pay her and spend some time chatting. She knows me and my life, and I know hers. Anyway, after Viorica, I knew I was done for the day as far as sex goes. I slide next to Naya in her customary place at the back poles, and we catch up on old times, and eventually head to the room. Really to chat more. She is a genuinely nice and caring woman, perhaps the only one I have met in FKKs so far. After about 15 minutes she says are you sure you don't want any sex? I asked her to give me a very soft, slow head which she does. I stop it after a few min, just cuddle and nuzzle and talk a bit more and we wrap it. If there is one person I wish well in all the FKK land, it would be Naya.
It is 11 PM now. I know I am done for the day. I had and't slept a wink the night before. Already was in the room 5 times. I know too that I have another 4 days in paradise. I am at an age now when the candles are costing more than the cake. Still, I was reluctant to go home early. I thought, why not just sit around and gaze at the tits and ass on display -- the greatest show on earth, with apologies to the late Barnum. I was sitting on the wall couch by the front pole, reminiscing about Magda who sometimes sits there. Anyway, this red head makes her way to the couch and sits on the far end of the couch. Unbelievable body. My exact optical spec. She looks like a reincarnation of the young Roxana Sharks on my very first tryst with her a long time ago. Unfortunately, Roxana has and't had that body in a long time, and I see very few girls with that body type. Nice firm tits, between A and be, firm, round and tiny ass, just enough to fit both cheeks in my palm, juicy enough to squeeze them with one hand while kissing her delicious lips. The face is so darned hot. I was about to say Hello, but this dude swoops in and sits in the middle. My heart sank as he starts talking to her. However, as luck would have it, after 10 minutes, he just gets up and walks away. I know I can't take any more chances, and slide a little bit closer to her and say Hello,. She smiles sweetly, nudges close to me, and begins chatting. Her name is Melissa. First day in Sharks. Spent a week in Oase, as Eva. Just 7 days in the business. Or so she claims. Friends with Dolly, yes the same one that UncleOx admires. But on this night, my eyes are fixated on this super scrumptuous red head. I put my arm around her neck protectively to prevent any heinous male predators from swooping on her, and after 10 min we walk upstairs. I can't believe my luck that I am about to fuck this gorgeous 20 year old. She is chatty. There are some signs of sharkiness already. She keeps telling me these stories about how she made 1000 E on one night just dancing in Oase, or that her very first customer in Oase -- an old dude -- supposedly gave her 400 E for half hour room of which only 4 minutes involved sex. I am half tuning out these stories. I see her lips move, and I can't focus on the sounds coming out, I am thinking when can I kiss these! I was prepared to bee ripped off if she wanted to be the ripper. I was not going to let a few bloody Euros come between me and this cherry pie. That said, she is surprisingly skilled. Gives very good head. Copious amounts of make out. True GFE sex. My only regret is that fuck as hard as I could, there was no third high note tonight. A few decades ago, I would have finished just thinking of this chick even fully clothed, and now I am fucking her in any which I wanted and the curse of age is fully up on me.
Tuesday.
I had to scuttle my plans to head to Oase today. Last night Melissa told me that she is going back to Romania on Wednesday for her little brother's birthday. Her mother had passed recently, and she wanted to be there for her brother although she just came into this business. So, I wanted to capitalize on her last day in FRA and rearranged my schedule and opted again for Sharks on a dessous day (however, many girls' lingerie was so flimsy, you could see their religion).
I was in the city for a bunch of meetings most of the day and could not get to the club until 6:30 PM. Melissa said she too would get in around that time, so I was not too worried. When I get there, no sign of her. Dolly is roaming around but I did and't want to bugger her about the whereabouts of her friend. I am Hank Marvin due to business and no lunch, so proceed to some some chow down. The Chinese food is back on, and the meats are good tonight.
Melissa makes her entrance around 8 PM. I was just coming out of the dinner when I see her coming in. Fuck, she looks even more gorgeous than last night. Quickly explain to her that I will be ready in ten min after brushing my teeth and she says OK, I will wait for you, I need to get a drink myself. I am back out into the lounge in less than ten min, but she is now chatting with a dude. I am gobsmacked, but I sit down for a coffee at a respectable distance to see if this is a quick chat and if she will come back to me. Nope. She is gone. And then stayed gone. I guess when you are 20 and ravishing, truthfulness and loyalty are overrated qualities.
With that humiliation, I settled down for sloppy seconds. I had been flirting with this skinny blonde Anastasia. She talks a good game. Good English. Playful. Reminds me a bit of Aurelia, not as pretty face but body is quite hot. I see some signs of sharkiness but nothing alarming. I might have been tempted to stay an hour with this chick, she is hot enough. But my mind is still preoccupied with Melissa. Anastasia transforms herself into a haggling bi&tch as soon we close the door behind us. Great fun outside the room but inside she is a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Extra this, extra that. I decline all those offers, and firmly lay down the rule that there shall be no artificial barriers between her lips and my dick tissue and that she agrees to with some reluctance. And that sets the tone for the next half hour to follow -- bored, listless sex from both parties. One still smitten with a certain redhead and the other with unsold extras. Mercifully, 30 minutes ended at the 22nd minute mark and we headed out.
I said my favorite spot to sit down in the club is by the waterfall. I call it Steffi derriere watching spot. OK, it is a nice perch to ogle all the naked song birds doing rounds in their naked glory, but damn she has such a a nice butt crack -- gives a new meaning to the phrase "be glad to see the back of" her. In my past visit, I took Steffi out a couple of times, so she has been giving me a nice smile all throughout. Still a super knockout figure, although she has been in this business now for 4 years. Anyway, I pick Steffi out for my second session of the day. We go into the remade kino rooms, where it can feel a bit more intimate and the mirrors accentuate the erotic feeling. For some reason, sex with Steffi feels too polite for me. I had till date been w / her 5 or 6 times, but not once have I finished with her, and I had no doubt in my mind that trend shall continue and I was not wrong. Not that it was not thoroughly enjoyable, every minute of it.
I saw this blonde sitting by Betty's couches near the fish tank. Ah la vache, she reminds me of a long lost girl friend from 20 years ago. Make a quick intro, and she says her name is Cosmina. Hmm. She is slightly less pretty facially than the Sharks staple Cosmina, but body is pretty fucking hot. She is quite young as I recall, barely 20. We head into the S&M room, and she is nice and clean but just another 25 min of mechanical sex. It is obvious to me that today is not my day, and I was not going to climax -- not when I am still smarting about a jilted beauty, and physically I felt so cream crackered. So, I bid her good night and drove back home.
Wednesday.
Having learned that one single girl should not determine my mongering decision -- a lesson I learned many times in the past and will no doubt relearn more times in the future -- I hightailed to Oase on Wednesday.
Anyway, I am a person who believes that if two wrongs don't make it right, one should try three.
The p o s Garmin for which I paid all of $150 just 2 years ago did not even have Friedrichsdorf in its list of cities. No kidding! I set my iPhone GPS to a nice little ethnic eatery on Hugenottten Strasse, and reached Oase well prior to the 4 PM cheap ticket deadline. Cock in the hen house finally.
Oase was my first ever FKK, and it never fails to set my pulse racing as I pull into that nice little parking lot, and walk towards the quirky door (usually with a bored puta sitting outside in a wrapped towel, arguing with her lover boy on the phone).
30 years ago, I would been a pfm (perpetual fucking machine): able to line up the entire LU and fuck one after other, and cum half a dozen times in the process -- ofc, back then, I had just enough $ to pay the entry ticket and a half hour time with one of these hotties. Today, I can afford to line 'them all up and fuck one after the other, but the libido is so spent after 2 days in Sharks, I am walking in with all the energy and enthusiasm of Mark Zuckerberg about to face his regulatory interrogators. In my next life, I will try to synchronize my testosterone and wallet in a more optimal manner.
Oase looks grand. The club looks clean and nicely done. The towels are better than in Sharks. They could use more showers and more pissing buckets downstairs, but I try to use the showers upstairs on the way to the rooms as much as I can -- not much traffic there. Only thing is, you have to walk down to your cubby to spray yourself to be more presentable to the young harlots. With 2 stations, it is a bit easier and quicker to obtain a drink. I thought the food was better at Oase on the whole. The buffet spread is approximately equal, but the pizza on the free menu tilts in Oase direction. The music is better in Oase. The last few years, it was just top 40 US billboard music at Sharks but on this trip, the music at Sharks was strangely subdued with a mix of top 40 and some random foreign language stuff. Oase, OTOH, was hopping. Having a DJ definitely makes a difference and makes the club alive most of the evening and into the night. One thing, I hated the the new Kino set up. WTF, Mauro? Whoever thought up this set up should be shipped to a cave in Afghanistan pronto. How the fuck are you expected to perform acts of depraved debauchery in that arrangement? For the first time ever in all my visits to Oase, I left the club with not a single act of public sex in kino. Truly depressing.
As far as the girls go, in my strictly subjective opinion (not that I have any non-subjective views ever), Oase comes out ahead. I know others would disagree. I have been a Sharks man for the last few years. But within the first couple of hours in Oase, I was already regretting my decision to have gone to Sharks on Tuesday, on a dessous day to boot (although, to give credit where it is due, roughly half the Sharks girls were in their birthday suits even on Tuesday). But back to girls. Yes, Oase wins when measured on a girl to girl basis. Not that Sharks does not have its fair share of lookers. Where Oase wins is that there is a smaller percent of buffaloes to gazelles to use Syzy's immortal words. In Sharks, I thought roughly half the population was simply *undoable*; in Oase, I would put that percent at about a quarter. If this was a boxing match, Oase LU would win by TKO in the 11th round.
My first catch of the day was Hadina. Or should I say, it was the other way around. She is a day girl, recognized that she should grab me before I became distracted with too many choices, and made her move as soon as I finished my ablutions and came back up. I was happy to see her. I had been with her a few times in the past. A couple of times, she spent the entire session sucking on my wand in the kino, no sex. She still looks good. No signs of aging, and no extra pounds. I love her titties. They are her crown jewels, her chief income generating assets. So soft, natural, succulent, and still defying gravity in their proud youth. There are few places on this planet which are more perfect for my face to rest than the valley between her boobies. She also learned give light smooching, and she does not smoke. A very pretty girl, just delightful, and all my past memories of good sex with her came flooding back.
I was sitting in the lounge, wistfully thinking about the lost joys of kino, when I saw this skinny brown haired girl across the room. She motions me to come her, and she was with her friend selling a duet. I decline the offer for mnage trois and pick her solo. Name is Annabel. Does she also go by Kira at other times? I would not put her in the top 5 in terms of facial beauty in the club on the day, but she is pretty nonetheless and the body is just my type. Not having finished since my room with Viorica, which feels eons ago, I needed a girl with a small pussy to obtain some relief with fast paced banging, and Annebel seemed like the apt prescription. Her service was pretty darned good -- a lot of things people clamor for here were on the offer. She was also not a money grubbing leech, and was content to provide fair service for a fair price. A thoroughly good time was had by all (OK, mainly by me), and I duly achieved the deserved crest.
Estephania stops me in my tracks as I am walking through the narrow corridors, and says hey I know you. For a minute I almost did and't recognize her, and then I realized why. She has her hair down, and no longer looked like she was 17. A little while later, she was back in her pony tail do over and back to the teen age persona. Anyhow, she recites her new rate card, and if she was sharky in Sharks she is a proper Oase girl now. I told her thanks but I will think about it. Never did session with her in 2 appearances in the club.
I was back in the lounge a little while later, and wondering who to do next. Several juicy starkers in literally arms length. I am tempted very much to again go with another of the several eye candy 20 year olds, which is what makes Oase reputation today. They are all strutting, proudly showing off their glistening pussies and tempting the weak willed men like me. However, I also know that having just blown my load with Annabel, I need a nurturing, patient girl to nurse my John Thomas back to health. I see Raissa and call her out. She is surprised I still remembered her name. She is 32 now, but one would and't know it looking at how well preserved she is. Her service is impeccable as ever. She was trying to sell me a CIM at first. I say to her: "honey, I will stay for an hour if you are nice to me". She is ecstatic. Says she has been working 16 hours a day, 6 days a week as she is preparing to go away on vacation back home soon. She goes to work between my legs. Alternately sucking on my pecker and the two sacks attached to it. My gonads are soon dripping so so wet, as if they developed their own lachrymal glands and shedding tears of copious joy from all this attention. Soon, she starts doing other unspeakably naughty things to me. Lordy, this woman should be enshrined into the hall of fame at Oase. This was true porn sex. I lied back, happy that my family jewels are properly being taken care of, and content to rub and finger her hot cun&t. No fucking was needed.
After the recuperation received from the ministry of Raissa, I was on the prowl again. I had been eyeing this super hot girl. Platinum blonde, young, pretty face, such a tight body. Oh my, she looks like a girl that could launch a thousand ships, and yet here available for a measly hundred. Name is Dalina. At first I thought it was Galina, but she corrected me and said it was Dalina. I asked her menu and price list and could and't understand much of what she said. I thought to myself, listen idiot, you already lost Melissa. You need to close the deal on this hottie. So, I told her to get moving, price list be damned. In the room, she says 50 E=30 MCBJ, no kissing yadda. The standard Oase rip. I told her I have a desperate need to kiss a dollface like hers, so how about it? She agrees to a hundred, all inclusive for an hour. We went to the town. Whatever I wanted to do with Melissa in my second session but missed out, I was able to do with Dalina. I felt almost guilty that this beauty was getting sucked, fucked and licked by a old perv like me for a pittance, but soon banished that thought when I remembered all the hirsute werewolves I just saw in the men's showers that shall soon devour this young flower.
As I was leaving Oase that night and driving back to my hotel in Darmstadt, I read out a prayer -- god bless Oase. To have such a truly depraved session with an experienced strumpet like Raissa, and then have my way -- in every which way -- with the 19 year old beauty queen like Dalina -- a sultan would have envied this lifestyle.
Thursday.
Woke up a bit early on Thursday after my late night fornication at Oase -- work beacons inn the city again. Fortunately, it was just a couple of meetings. I managed to squeeze in a nice lunch at a very nice Italian joint on Heiligkreuzgasse. Probably the best lunch on this trip so far, and a nice break from the dreary repetitions of the FKK meals.
I made my way to Sharks around 5 PM. The spirit was willing but the flesh is found a bit wanting at this time. After 3 days of sexcapades, my libido levels are getting depleted faster than Venezuela's forex reserves. Fortunately, it is a situation rather easily fixed by the sight of a bevy of naked ladies.
Soon after I arrive, my sight is fixed on this tiny little exotic girl. Name is Zainab. She claims half Turkish half Rom ethnicity. Absolutely my typical optical spec. Lithe body, tiny creature, around 5 ft tall, small delicious tits; some freckles on the face. She speaks OK English. Forgot how long she has been working here at Sharks. She is a bit shy. Makes clear that she does not kiss, but breaking some unnecessary laws passed last year with regards to oral sex is not a problem. Just as it was with Melissa, her ass cheeks are a delight. Both fit into my palm, so soft and smooth as a baby's bottom. I could keep kneading them to my heart's content till the end of eternity. She keeps looking away, or eyes closed. A little disconcerting but I let it pass. Her pussy fits me like a glove, and I dont mean like OJs glove. Despite my alarmingly down spermometer count, I felt I could have pumped her hard and dumped a load, but I was mindful that I still had a full night ahead at Sharks and another day at Oase, so I knew how to ration myself and called it quits after 25 minutes.
After a light dinner, I started roaming around aimlessly. The Janine couch was desperately empty. What happened to her Teutonic guards, nowhere to be seen? Were they coming to the club just to protect her from marauding monger predators? Anyway, this blonde beauty makes her way to where Janine used to sit. Name is Honey. Yes, that's right, no typo. Can they make up some less corny names? She has a striking face. Quite pretty. Body is not super hot, but hot enough. Slim, tiny, you know the works. I ease myself next to her, and make some small chitchat. Right off the bat, I know I will take her just based on the optics. She says she used to work in LR. I think she said her name was Sophia over there. Spent some time in Dubai. I think she is is around 20, if I recall right. Wears glasses. Our session was good but not great. Not her fault. This is the kinda girl I jack off to furiously when away fro clubs, but on this fourth or fifth day of clubbing at my age, I could fuck Candice Swanepoel and still not finish. She too is a bit like Maya of Globe on my first day -- whining a bit about having to give away too much stuff at Sharks for a measly 50. Well, to be honest, Maya's service was miles ahead of Honey's, but looks wise I think Honey stands out more. If she is available for a quick fuck where I live right now, I would pay 300 for an hour.
I was sitting in my usual waterfall spot a bit later, enjoying the sight of Steffi's delightful butt crack and of course the T&A show from all the other girls asking old overweight men to fuck them. I had been watching this exotic girl lying down near the kino pole. She comes over and starts chatting. Her mammaries are massive. Not my type normally, as I am of the view that anything more than a mouthful is a wasted gift. But something about this girl: her English is perfect. Even the accent. I was curious. Name is Kylie, I think. Greek, she says. Anyway that's her claim -- I am aware what UltraHappy said about 95% being Rom is an understatement. I am not one of those people who quiz and test these girls on these nationality claims -- I can barely speak half a language myself, and in any case I could and't give a fuck if she is from Albania or from Alabama. I spent a hugely delightful half HR with Kylie. She did spend several years in Bristol UK, which explained her English skills. She gives pretty darned good service, even in a normal 30 min session. A total sweetheart, quite adorable -- too bad her optics were not my ideal spec. Her face is slightly half Asian, which is confusing but she said she has no Asian blood as far as I remember.
It is now past 11 PM. I am getting exhausted. OK, the macho dudes here can contest my claim how can I be exhausted after shooting just 3 times so far in the week -- but keep in mind: just because I did not score any layups does not mean I was not dribbling, running the floor, shoving, passing, and so on. In any case, I saw Viorica sitting across from me, a bit to the right of Steffi. She was with a local dude who I had seen many times before. It looked like she would go with him. But wait a min, they sit there, flirting, drinking, nuzzling, but no move to head up. After a while, the dude gets up and walks away. I make eye contact with her, she smiles brightly and comes and sits next to me. It has been a slow night for her. No rooms yet. She does not seem to be stressed about it. We chat a bit. She is such a sweet gal, so easy to talk to. Good sense of humor. If you are a romantic type, you can fall for her easily. After a little bit, I invite her to come with me and we go to the same room that we had been in before. Another fabulous 90 min. She is the first girl I repeated on this trip, which is a bit unusual for me given that I had been in the room quite a few times in the last 4 days. Normally, I repeat with my regular girls at least once or sometimes even twice a day, but like Siri's ghosts they are all gone. Roxana, Aylice, Tatiana, Sandra, Magda. Anyhow, back to the present. Viorica as usual gives fabulous service, and as we are leaving tells me that she had an equally good time in the room. That is such a nice thing for a girl to say. We know they appreciate our money, but would it cost them a fortune to say "I too had a good time" (assuming they did)? She is a classy girl indeed. Congratulations to UO for finding this gem.
Friday.
And at last, the finale. I wake a bit early and make use of the very good breakfast spread put out at my hotel. Checkout is noon time. I had the good sense to save a hundred bucks by not keeping the hotel for the last day. Sounds simple, but I could never remember this and this is the first time I was able to do achieve this savings. Somewhat pleased with myself.
I park near the Darmstadt train station, grab some extra Euros, and relax over a nice lunch at the Mongolian barbecue. I like this place. Their buffet is very good as well, but on this day I was content to order off the menu.
It is around 3 PM when I make my entrance at Oase. The day is warm. Finally. While it has not been cold all week, nevertheless it was not warm enough that girls were not willing to do outdoor sex. I grab myself some coffee and relax on one of the outdoor beds. Betwice (what a phony name) is sitting at the entrance to the garden with a blonde crony. She beckons me and tries to sell a threesome in the cottage on the hill. She is a hot chick, and I wanted to bang her on Wednesday but she gave some typically sharky Oase quote on Wednesday and I ignored her. Apparently she forgot all about it, because she was acting like she talked to me for the first time ever, and rubbing herself all over me and selling me this thressome. When I declined, she asked me to give her a massage but after a couple of minutes stops it because someone else walked into the garden and she decided she should get back to her sales job.
Mira is an old Oase hand. I had fucked her at least thrice in Oase kino in prior trips. On Wednesday she saw me as she walked into the club, and immediately her face it up and started laughing. Later on, as I was sitting in the lounge, she motions across the room and says we should fuck on the couches. God bless her, she still has the courage in that brightly lit kino, but not me. I did promise her that we will fuck, and did and't happen on Wednesday. So, when she first saw me on Friday she appeared pissed. Calls me a liar. I remind her there is still time. Long story short, when she walks into the garden, I said how about fucking on the garden bed? She is all for it. We head to the nearest bed. There is another couple in the next bed, and the chick is giving him head. That finally wakes me up. So, I get on my knees and she begins blowing me. And then I turned her around and bang her doggie as I am watching the chick give the dude head 20 feet away. Not as exciting sitting next to each other on kino couch, but this will do for now. Quite shocking for me, I still could not finish. Hitherto, public sex was one sure formula to get me off, but even that failed today. Mira is sweet about it but we stop at half hour.
I am back in the lounge after a light snack, and I see Adele. Now, she did not remember me but I do. I had exactly one episode with her previously and it was not good. If I remember right, in my recap here I had given her 10/10 for looks and -10/10 for service. I can't recall why I had such a negative impression of her back then. But for fucks sake she looks hot, and as Don Vito said, in FKK it is all business and not personal. So, I let bygones be bygones, and approach her. She is happy and after less than 30 sec, we are in the room. She is strictly commercial. No kissing, no proper BJ in the normal pricing scheme. I said, fine let us do just 50 E30 M. She gives me a covered BJ for a few min, then despite my protestations that I want some more BJ, just straddles me and starts pumping. That lasts all of 3 min. Then she says it is your turn to work. OK, I mount her in the traditional man on top pose. She looks fucking super hot. I hear people say she resembles Cameron Diaz, but to me she is closer to Taylor Swift than Diaz. Well, she needs a nose job, but otherwise she is superhot. I have a strong urge to kiss her, but we agreed on the price and terms. 5 min of fucking in that position, she is already bitching a little. I say, how about doggie. She agrees, but after a few minutes of doggie arches her back and it felt like I was fucking warm air. This is obviously not going to get it done. In the meanwhile, my urge to kiss her is increasing exponentially. I finally caved in, and agree to her 150 E /1 HR service. She gives a generous amount of kissing, and then blow job in the way it is meant to be given. After 5 to 7 minutes of it, we begin fucking again. I go pretty fast and furious, but again as we changed multiple positions nothing much is happening. She is getting impatient. She claims at this rate you will not finish even by tomorrow morning, pulls away and begins packing. There are still 5 min on the clock, but I did not feel like an argument, and so we leave the room. If she were not such a looker, I would be pissed at the price and the service but it is true that good looking girls get away with murder.
The kino is now showing the world cup games. The Spain Portugal game was awesome. Not too many men going into the rooms. As soon as the game is over, the DJ ramps up the music volume. A bunch of girls begin table top dancing, on the bar and around the pole. Quite lively. One girl looked absolutely yummy. She had a darker exotic look, and was a much better dancer at gyrating her hips and butt in a very enticing way. Wish I got a shot at her, but she was not to be seen later.
By now, I am seriously forlorn. On one hand, my FKK adventure is soon to end. On the other, I have and't achieved a climax since I was in the room with Annabel on Wednesday. I seriously considered going again with Annabel, as if she is my magic potion fix. But as I was pondering that option, I see Dalina. She looked as sumptuous as she did on Wednesday. So, I make a beeline to her and we are off in a jiffy. This room was everything that the session with Adele was not. To me, Dalina is as pretty as Adele, or probably hotter. A total fox. Younger, fresher, and while not quite innocent she is at least not as mercenary as Adele. Her service is more genuine. An hour of total GFE sex ensued. Her English is really limited, very much like how ROxana used to be early on. I think the young Sharks Roxana was less sharky and gave better service but Dalina is almost as hot and the hour long service is very very gratifying. Is she as hot as Melissa? Tough to compare. To me, both are very hot girls, Dalina is 19 and Melissa is 20; great figures, sexy body to devour and ravish; the only thing better than sex with either of them would be a threesome with both! Anyway, after furiously pumping her, and with all the pent up energy and frustration at not having finished in multiple previous sessions, I finally achieved deserved solace. Pure bliss.
It is now past midnight. Just knowing how tough it was to achieve one climax in nearly 3 days, and how long it took, I have no more illusions. I have an early morning flight back home. Need to stick around till club close. I toy with the idea of going over to the wellness room and crashing till close, but then think that sleep is highly overrated, and anyway how can I sleep when there are a hundred naked girls next door? I am trying to think every sexy thought I ever had, every favorite porn scene I jacked off to, and any other image I can conjure up to revive my little friend. Then I realize it may be too early and spend an hour of relaxing time in the hot tub. It is quite lonely. One guy comes in, stays for ten minutes, otherwise it is nice and alone. It is a nice feeling to be soaking there naked, watching all the naked girls, and watching the football game reruns.
It is now around 2 AM. I am fighting sleep and exhaustion. The jacuzzi did wake me up a bit. There is still some nice food in the kitchen and I partake some to get an energy boost. Back in the lounge. There is this dark haired shortish girl. Has a towel wrap. Should have been a red signal. She asks me for a room. I had a vague feeling I had a session with her before but she does not remember me. Her name is Suginella. Not the other Suginella who is prettier (but she was not around during this visit). This dark haired Suginella looked almost dejected and desperate. I asked her if she could just give me a slow BJ because I no longer had enough energy to fuck, and she eagerly agrees. Truth be told, I would have much preferred Raissa at this time but she was not to be seen. In the room, Suginella says she has and't had a room that whole day / night. OK, sister I feel your pain -- NOT! Just get down to your job already. She says she wants a CIM because she badly needs the money. Seriously? Is and't that MY decision, baby?? I politely explained that my body was ill equipped to providing her the succulence she desired but she was a bit too dense to comprehend. This woman was like a mad Dracula at this point, must be the Transylvanian blood in her. "I shall extract my two drops" was her mantra. It was tough to know if she was trying for just the fluids or trying to sever the whole pipe. When I shifted a bit due to the pain caused by her violent pulling, she would get upset and demand that I stay still. Jesus, this woman was possessed. She was like a woman in PMS with her finger on her handgun. I knew it was a horrible mistake ten minutes into the room and was wondering when to abort it, and after 15 minutes I decided it was futile to keep it going. When I told her to beat it, she looked genuinely upset. I was too, at the thought that the trip might be ending on a sour note. I gave the crazy tute a 50, but for the physical and mental tribulations I suffered, I deserved to be paid a couple of hundred by this nut case.
At around 3 AM, having taken another shower (after something like 25 showers in 5 days, the skin on my balls was getting quite dry at this point), I was wondering if it was worth taking another shot, or should I just lean back on one of the back couches in the kino, spend a couple of hours and then ship off to the airport. As I am wandering around, I bump into this tiny bundle of cute energy. I had seen her many times but forever reason never sessioned with her before. Anyway, it is the famous Carla. I had multiple sessions with the slightly more famous squeezebox Carla, but not this one. Both Carla's have a good enough reputation, and I hated the thought of ending the trip with the lousy Suginella as the last session. In the room, Carla tries to treat me as a tourist and adds the 50 E to the normal price structure for a more conventional blow job etc. I let her know that it is not my first time on the rodeo. She relents, and I too promise to take her for an hour. The session proceeds smoothly henceforth. God, how did I miss this little muffin all these years. Top notch blow job. Her body is so soft to play with while she is taking care of Johnny. Incredibly, the pain caused by Sugi the vampire has vanished, and my man is at full alert, aware that a special artist is at work. After 15 to 20 minutes of exquisite attention, We decide it is time to fuck. Her histrionics are perhaps a bit over the top but there is no question that this woman is meant to do her life's work in the horizontal position and not vertically inclined. While it was a bit too much to expect that I could achieve a big O through normal straight fuck, she too realized as much, and peeled off the condom and through a combination of her hand and oral skills did push me over the top for one final time. Or just the fifth time in the whole week.
Thus ended a longish trip. 5 consecutive days of clubbing is a bit past my abilities now but when you are starving for a long time and let loose on a feast, you will get cramps. With the exception of one or two sessions, it was overall a very positive experience. Still never cease to have that nervous tingling feeling in the first day as I pull into the club. I don't think I will ever get bored sitting by the waterfall and ogling all the pussy, tit, ass show on display.
A few downers: Magda being AWOL. Missed all my favorites of course, although all of them are retired, moved elsewhere etc. It is the first time that I truly did not have a regular girl at Sharks. The fact that Viorica and Dalina were my only repeats in 5 days speaks volumes.
Despite all the fore warnings, the service levels were not at all terrible, quite the contrary. I am afraid a certain law passed approximately a year ago was not fully complied with in any of my sessions, at least not as far as oral ministrations are concerned. In Sharks, there is probably not a single girl with enough pricing power who can charge extra for intentionally violating this legal issue. In Oase, it is a bit more common and you would need some negotiating ability or else you will end up being a law abiding person.
Young Turk was also not in the club. I hope the man is still healthy and prosperous.
The law of diminishing returns is firmly in place. I actually abstained from any ejaculation for nearly 10 days prior to the club visit, and yet 5 climaxes is all I was able accomplish for all that money spent and all those rooms visited. Ouch.
As always, comments, put downs, brickbats, flaming arrows are all welcome. The sheer length of this prose alone deserves a large amount of the last 3.
I didn't finish reading your whole post there (its a book), but you do know there are 2 Adelle's at Oase? Both blondes. One about 1.60 meters tall and one at about 1.70 meters. The tall one is the one claimed to look like Cameron Diaz. The shorter one does look more towards Taylor swift perhaps. Although I would put Taylor swift somewhere in between their looks. So your comment got me confused a bit.
Asking on behalf of a friend, which FKK's in Germany allow single females to enter as guests? Particularly keen to know about Hessen and NRW clubs but info on those further afield would be welcomed. Additionally any info on any known clubs where it is a definite no-no?
Smoke Light
06-24-18, 15:28
Jnpr30,
So well written report that I was picturing myself by your side everywhere you went. Classic. A part that made me laugh was how one well educated, well mannered professional, a respectful gentleman spends a night in a foreign country, in a small town, in a major lustful brothel instead of properly booking a comfortable hotel bed and waking up to his 6:00 alarm for the flight back home. Terribly inappropriate, shameful conduct. Your mugshot should be published in NYT accompanied by a revealing article about falling morals of hideous men traveling to Europe from the US. Any one-man travel outside the US should be banned completely, period.
Thank god I have already stashed a pile of Euro notes and booked a few more trips to Germany before the end of 2018, LOL.
HungryStud101
06-24-18, 17:20
Nice review Jnpr30. I was supposed to return to FKK land next week but it was postponed. I was thinking about giving Oase another try due to the pool area in the summer. Last year I went to Oase and I swore I would never go back but then I was thinking that it had been 5 years and some of the fault may have been my expectations and the luck of the draw. I really liked Sharks this year. So much I went twice. Do you think the attitude of the girls is any different at Sharks vs Oase? Also, back in the day (6 years ago) World was the place to go on Saturdays. I went once and I had a great time. Is World an anachronism?
Thanks for the great report.
FlAsianLover
06-24-18, 21:40
Has anyone been to this one? If so I would appreciate any info. I will be staying in Kaiserslautern next month and would love to check out an FKK. If there are any others close by please let me know.
HeyyyyyyPaul
06-24-18, 22:42
Holy shit this is detailed.
Monday.
Took the red eye into FRA on this nice Monday morning. Pilot announces showers are expected later in the day, and temperature is balmy but not too warm. I had decided on Sharks for today, with Oase for Tuesday and Sharks on Thursday, for obvious reasons. It is a breeze through the immigration, customs, and even the car rental. Wish I could say the same while coming back -- for some reason there was a ridiculous mile long queue when departing FRA airport, and so many folks stuck in the line were missing their flights. Anyway, I drove to Darmstadt and the nice people at the hotel gave me a room although it was just 11:30 AM yet. There was a messe in the city this week, and hotel prices were sky high. I paid nearly 200 Euro per night for a room, for a place which normally costs less than a hundred per night. One guest who was standing next to me at the hotel check-in was haggling over the price, and eventually walked out because they were quoting him more than $250 a night.
I am writing this report like a blog entry, alternating between Sharks and Oase. So, I am positing in the lounge instead. If this buggers you, feel free to flame me.
Jimmy Boy 99
06-24-18, 23:18
Holy shit this is detailed.You copied the whole report, probably the most detailed and lengthy I have read in a long time, to comment that it was detailed? Would not "Jnpr30, Holy shit that was a detailed report. " have accomplished the same thing without taking up so much space on the thread?
Jimmy Boy 99
06-24-18, 23:33
Your report was one for the ages, way beyond a RoD. It was fantastic: witty, sardonic, informative, extremely well written. If you are not already a professional writer or blogger, you should consider becoming one. Your and KK's posts are the most fun to read. If only that damn auto correct would stop making stupid corrections: I can't understand why, among other senseless corrections, it would change beckons to beacons.
Vito Corleone
06-25-18, 02:04
Very impressive! This report is more than my combined posts the past 7 yrs! Keep it up! I look forward to reading your future reports / blogs!
Monday.
Took the red eye into FRA on this nice Monday morning. Pilot announces showers are expected later in the day, and temperature is balmy but not too warm. I had decided on Sharks for today, with Oase for Tuesday and Sharks on Thursday, for obvious reasons. It is a breeze through the immigration, customs, and even the car rental. Wish I could say the same while coming back -- for some reason there was a ridiculous mile long queue when departing FRA airport, and so many folks stuck in the line were missing their flights. Anyway, I drove to Darmstadt and the nice people at the hotel gave me a room although it was just 11:30 AM yet. There was a messe in the city this week, and hotel prices were sky high. I paid nearly 200 Euro per night for a room, for a place which normally costs less than a hundred per night. One guest who was standing next to me at the hotel check-in was haggling over the price, and eventually walked out because they were quoting him more than $250 a night...
Member #4581
06-25-18, 02:05
KK, JB99 et al thanks very much for the kind words! Highly appreciated.
HS101 the impression I have is that nearly every single girl will give at least BBBJ if not kissing in a standard 50 E30 M session at Sharks, but at Oase that percent is less.
At least a handful of girls in Oase told me that they look down on Sharks to some extent because in their view "their sisters at Sharks are giving away too much for too little".
HungryStud101
06-25-18, 05:20
KK,
HS101 the impression I have is that nearly every single girl will give at least BBBJ if not kissing in a standard 50 E30 M session at Sharks, but at Oase that percent is less.
At least a handful of girls in Oase told me that they look down on Sharks to some extent because in their view "their sisters at Sharks are giving away too much for too little".OK, then this confirms my suspicions. I made a visit to Oase last year and I was disappointed. Oase used to be my favorite place but it had been 5-years since my last visit and boy things had changed. Again, some of this was me not adapting to the shifting landscape of the FKK scene. This year I skipped Oase and went to Sharks twice and I thought it was much better than what I had experienced at Oase. You confirmed that it was not just me.
As always, comments, put downs, brickbats, flaming arrows are all welcome. The sheer length of this prose alone deserves a large amount of the last 3.Holy shit. Kosherkowboy may have competition as my favourite writer on these smut forums. Bravo.
I looked forward to seeing your recent visit report since your PMed me that you were back to the states. Even in this morning, I was still thinking why there was nothing on Sharks board. I thought you might give up writing. Until I happened to notice your response note to KK and HS101 on "Lounge and chat area" then I realized that you just posted your report there.
Fabulous report! Very well-written and informative.
We have similar taste to Sharks girls. I am glad to know you also appreciate Viorica. I always believe She is one of the few girls with both optic and good service, isn't she? LOL.
Dolly is my type of girl (Blonde, young, pretty, friendly). If she even could not attract your attention while Melissa was present, I am curious how Melissa looks like. Hopefully I would have chance to meet her next time.
Again, great report. I enjoy reading it. I will also use it as a reference for my Oase visit.
Monday.
After a nice lunch at a local establishment, I arrive at Sharks around 2:45 PM.
.....
I saw Jennifer sitting next to the bar........
I am somewhat bummed that my girl Magda is not in. ...........
Not too long after, I reminded myself to take it easy and not rush into a session. For one, my climaxes are getting few and far between. Age is a high price to pay for maturity, but in my case I gave up a lot of the latter to gain even more of the former. Not a good trade. But just as I was steeling myself with some self discipline, I run into the vivacious short haired brunette. She is not as skinny as I normally like, and she is a bit taller than my preferred options, but there is something about her. We start talking. Her name is Viorica. I swear I was unaware that she is the princess girl of UncleOx at that moment -- he does have great tastes, does and't he?! Anyway, I vaguely remember reading good stuff about her in the forum here, her looks are appealing to me, she is smart, pleasant, and funny and I wanted to give her a spin. We head to the other set of stairs and grab the corner room with a massive bed. Off the bat, I told her that it is unlikely that I could finish, but let us have some fun. Damn, her service is so damn fucking sizzling hot. She definitely wants to make her man happy. Ask and it shall be given. For that hour and half, she became my personal sex toy, and so much more pleasing than anything I ever found under my Christmas trees growing up. Very much against the odds, I reach the high point. Could not stop giggling afterwards. She is sooo tender as we lay there for a while, and she richly deserved the tip she received..
Asking on behalf of a friend, which FKK's in Germany allow single females to enter as guests? Particularly keen to know about Hessen and NRW clubs but info on those further afield would be welcomed. Additionally any info on any known clubs where it is a definite no-no?I've never seen a single girl visit an FKK, it's only when she's accompanied by her partner.
Kosher Kowboy
06-25-18, 21:56
Holy shit. Kosherkowboy may have competition as my favourite writer on these smut forums. Bravo.It all is about a team effort to collectively make the reports as accurate and entertaining as possible. I will happily accept second place or even third (but no less!!) . My competition I believe is a fellow countryman and since we can not field a soccer team even worthy of being invited to the World Cup I will happily be part of 'Review Team USA' if we can bring home gold, silver and bronze from the Smut Forum Olympics of the ISG considering all the good forum writers here from around the world.
:D
RaviGoel,
I haven't been to Babylon for 2 years. Maybe will try in August. Regarding LR and Samya, I'd say go for it. NRW is very good. I haven't seen many reports of particular tutes lately, I try to answer by example of a brief summary of my late May / early June 2018 trip to NRW.
LR.
Due to lack of alcohol license at the moment, LR attendance is down, as been reported in LR forum by many colleagues. Discounted 50 euro entry. I only had a chance to be there a couple of times between 17:00 and 21:00 o'clock. No dancing, no party, only girls hanging around waiting to be picked up. Extremely friendly attitude from both WGs and staff. LR girls rotate often nowadays, but overall LR standard and quality stays really good.
Nelly / Nellie / LR.
Nellie 20 yr Azerbaijanian-Turkish girl. Tattoos on upper arm and the right side of the body. Some piercing on face and belly button. Often works from 17:00-18:00 o'clock to 4 in the morning. We only exchanged kisses and hugs in public areas. She is a top performer and is constantly busy. I have to wait for her till next time I visit.
Sonya / LR.
22 yr old, standard room, very satisfying session. I would call it LR standard. Wish all my 50 euro sessions were like this with Sonya.
Mickey / LR.
At first, I did not pay much attention to a girl at the bar wearing secretary glasses. Suddenly, she got bored, got up and put a strip show on the floor in front of some men, showing adorable be / see tits, sweet ass and pussy. It was a beautiful view. Mickey is 26 yr old, her secretary glasses are real glasses (I verified.) She works part time at LR. Really wild girl, claims she has done sex on autobahns, truck rest stops and public toilets. By her performance in the room, I tend to believe her story. She also does anal, but only in her private life. Two pops in one hour, 2nd pop with some extras involved.
Samya.
I made a few visits and after 4 in a row again got a free 4+1 pass, so one day didn't have to pay 50 entry. Club attendance was down due to Ramadan, however it's ending this week. Less party atmosphere, but it all comes back this weekend at Ramadan ending. If I was in Germany I would go to Samya just to see this change.
Carla / Samya.
She is my Samya favorite, my girlfriend sex bliss. A very classy lady in her 20's, with even younger looks. Carla does Samya part time, usually works late Friday or Saturday, sometimes all day Sunday, alternating on / off weekdays. Small bird tattoo on the back of her right calf. Pierced belly button. Sexy hot petite spoiled naughty woman. Fantastic blowjob. After three or four rooms with her she engaged in some serious deep throat efforts, with ton of spitting and desperate tears in her eyes. So goes classy lady with trashy secrets. I loved it and will repeat again. Call me weird, but DATY with her tastes like candy. Absolutely sweet. She will have orgasm receiving oral, but only when she wants. Occasionally she would also want a vaginal orgasm, often in one of her late rooms, like 2 or 3 in the morning. I fucked her in all positions and her shoes and stockings. She is narcissistically fond of mirrors, I recommend taking her to a room with plenty of mirrors for extra fun. She will look at herself while you fuck her tight little pussy. This is what I dream about when I am back home. I absolutely must see Carla again on my next trip in August. She is my addiction.
Danny / Samya.
33 yo Hungarian. Great girl, amazing sensitivity in DATY. Excellent BJ skills. Condom was too small, I could not finish. She would not allow my own condom because of her latex sensitivity. My legs were also too tired. So we went for an extra service, fully satisfying.
Roxy / Samya.
Late 20's. In the room Roxy's efforts led her to her own orgasm in doggy. Nice view to observe. I stayed hard but couldn't finish in rubber because of prior multiple sessions with my darling Carla.
Renata / Samya.
Sweetheart Renata is in her 20's. We know each other well. She has her own nickname for me, which is very sweet. Wonderful fuck in all positions, but she got a bit uncomfortable in deep doggy. I pulled out and finished in her hand, looking at Renata's legs spread wide with exposed pussy and ass. Porno elements included.
I came home last week overfucked and completely satisfied.Thank you!
Smoke Light
06-26-18, 02:11
Thank you!You are very welcome! Correction: LR reclaimed their alcohol license, so the entry is back to E60. LR line up seems improving and getting more stable. Samya also gets busier on Friday and Saturday nights. Girls taking care of the world cup football fans. Enjoy and have fun!
Member #4581
06-26-18, 04:17
KK,
I do not possess the gift of gab that comes so easily to you, UH, Kane, McA, Tommylove and many others here. I do make up in quantity whats lacking in quality as seen in the length of my posts!!
I have to take exception though <sarcasm alert on> Every one knows that we already have the world champions in the real football, basketball, baseball including the World Series in the latter (we even let the Canadians play, although I hear Trump is rethinking this after his recent spat with Justin).
Not to mention world champion Nascars. We don't need no stinkin soccer cup participation to make America great again.
Speaking of The leader of the free world, Hof the Pathrump brothel owner in NV and who had ripped off Trump with the art of pimp won in NV. He says Trump is Christopher Columbus and likely to offer lifetime free entrance to Trump to all his properties in NV. It is reported that Trump will gladly accept.
<alert off>
KK, JB99 et al thanks very much for the kind words! Highly appreciated.
HS101 the impression I have is that nearly every single girl will give at least BBBJ if not kissing in a standard 50 E30 M session at Sharks, but at Oase that percent is less.
At least a handful of girls in Oase told me that they look down on Sharks to some extent because in their view "their sisters at Sharks are giving away too much for too little".Well, that is one way for them to frame it. But at the same time they all know Sharks girls make more money than them. They just don't know what to do about it.
Der Auslander
06-26-18, 20:38
Every one knows that we already have the world champions in the real footballThe US are not World Champions at Rugby! :confused:
Rugby is the Daddy of them all!
HungryStud101
06-26-18, 22:59
Well, that is one way for them to frame it. But at the same time they all know Sharks girls make more money than them. They just don't know what to do about it.So you see, a little extra service goes a long way. It is an investment in your business. I went to Oase last year and I told the manager I will never come back again. Exactly one year later I arrived at Sharks for my first ever visit. The plan was to stay one day and then head to the NRW. But guess what? I liked Sharks so much I stayed an extra day. I did 7 sessions and only three were 50 Euro sessions.
The year before I liked GT and I liked it. So I returned and found my favorite girl and I spent a couple of hours with her in the room. She gave me good service.
I went to LR and I got great service and I plan to return.
This is how business works.
Member #4581
06-26-18, 23:37
The US are not World Champions at Rugby! :confused:
Rugby is the Daddy of them all!As you know, I was being sarcastic of course.
But, here in America we care to be world champions only in sports that no one else plays. Too many countries play Rugby, so we can safely ignore it. LOL.
PS: Ortos, thank you!
Every one knows that we already have the world champions in the real football, You mean handball with a twist? Or the 12 inches? In the rest of the world, our balls are round, and we don't need to make up for something else just by having bigger balls. In Asia the ping pong balls are pretty small, but they are quick as fuck!
All For Bb
06-27-18, 09:34
This weekend marks the one year anniversary of the new law. How to "celebrate it"?
Two assumptions (questions):
If I say at the beginning of the session to the girl that I will start 30 minutes to see how it will evolve, that means bad service will start for most case.
If I agree for staying one hour at the beginning, and find out service still bad, and I finish the session before 30 minutes and walk out, I still need to pay her 100.
These assumptions (hypothesis) can be tested or already tested?
Forgive me if this is the wrong forum.
I visit FKK's some times every year. Believe it or not, my wife knows all about it and likes it a lot.
Is there any chance she can visit as well?
Or are there other kind of clubs where female visitors are allowed?
As you probably understand we are not German.
I've seen female guests in Golden time numerous times.
Forgive me if this is the wrong forum.
I visit FKK's some times every year. Believe it or not, my wife knows all about it and likes it a lot.
Is there any chance she can visit as well?
Or are there other kind of clubs where female visitors are allowed?
As you probably understand we are not German.
Forgive me if this is the wrong forum.
I visit FKK's some times every year. Believe it or not, my wife knows all about it and likes it a lot.
Is there any chance she can visit as well?
Or are there other kind of clubs where female visitors are allowed?
As you probably understand we are not German.Swingerclubs are an option.
Some FKKs allow female guests, but they are expected not to go to a room with make guests (if she did, all hell would break loose).
World definitely allows. And I think Oase. Sharks And Golden time I believe not. Other members will know.
Your wife should wear something indicating she is "off duty". My wife used just to wear a towel round her middle. Most female guests wear a robe.
Enjoy.
Forgive me if this is the wrong forum.
I visit FKK's some times every year. Believe it or not, my wife knows all about it and likes it a lot.
Is there any chance she can visit as well?
Or are there other kind of clubs where female visitors are allowed?
As you probably understand we are not German.Golden Time in Bruggen allows female guests. I have seen it myself. FKK Rom also.
USAMongerer
06-27-18, 22:30
Summary of my 4 days in the clubs.
Tuesday, June 5 at Mainhatten: Had a great time, food was ok, decent lineup, had 2 sessions at 50 eu. No upsell. Nice bbq and saunas as always I enjoy. Took the #11 tram back and forth, leaving late-night (4 am) back to HBF to my hotel.
Wednesday, June 6, at Sharks: Rented a car in the City, for a very reasonable 23 EU per day for 3 days to see how it would be going between clubs. Worked out well. Drove to Sharks, nice parking outside door, great lineup, 2 sessions with no upsell. Food was great as I always have had at Sharks, especially breakfast. Lots of variety as well as the BBQ outside and great garden to hang out. The sauna guy with hourly sauna free specials using different menthol, etc was a nice addition to a great day. Left at closing, went to the Mcdonalds closeby per recommendation from a monger here and hung out there, using the WiFi. After daybreak, drove up to World.
Thursday at FKK World: I hadn't been to this club since 2013, and for 47 EU, including free beer, it for sure was well worth it. Lineup, although not large in numbers wasn't bad at all. Food was fine. Weather was on and off rain, so outside wasn't enjoyed as much as it should have been, but great garden / pool area. 1 session, no problem with 50 EU. Left at close, dropping a Japanese mongerer that I'd hung out with at the train station, and headed off to Oase.
Friday, June 8th, at Oase: After sleeping in the car for a few hours until opening, I proceeded in for the 50 EU early entry. Unfortunately was not feeling well, as a cold came upon me. But tried to enjoy as much as possible the day, was mostly an observer this day. Totally exhausted, and did enjoy the food and watching the pussy parade, but no sessions. I'd say that there was a more than adequate lineup, good facilities, and great garden as always. The weather was a bit on the hot side these 4 days, but certainly nice overall.
Lessons learned: DO get a rental car, if you're planning to hit a few clubs as I did over a few days--well worth it--made life so easy, and it was about the same cost with gas as taking trains back and forth, plus having the stress of going by schedules, etc. And cabs to and from the clubs. Just much, much easier.
Don't push it too much without a hotel. In the past, I'd skimped and left at close a couple of nights in a row and roughed it. Sleeping in a car, or just hanging around takes it's toll over a few days, especially for this 50+yo monger. In the future, even though it pisses me off to spend a lot for a hotel that I'll use for a few hours until a club opens, I think I'll arrange to just leave the clubs at midnight, and go get a good sleep. It was a great 4 days, but definitely took a lot out of me without a place to sleep for a few nights.
Vito Corleone
06-27-18, 22:53
Forgive me if this is the wrong forum.
I visit FKK's some times every year. Believe it or not, my wife knows all about it and likes it a lot.
Is there any chance she can visit as well?
Or are there other kind of clubs where female visitors are allowed?
As you probably understand we are not German.Sharks & living room.
HungryStud101
06-28-18, 00:08
Swingerclubs are an option.
Some FKKs allow female guests, but they are expected not to go to a room with make guests (if she did, all hell would break loose).
Enjoy.Hey Optimist. Why is this? Why should it be any different. Say I was lucky enough to have an open-minded, freaky as hell wife. Why couldn't we hire a girl to go in the room with us to have a 3-sum?
This is analogous to my part time job when I was going to the university. It was a Union shop. Once a manager needed a vehicle moved and asked me to move it because I paid union dues (mind you I was not in the crooked union). I said I didn't now how to operate that truck. The manager told me "get in" and he jumped behind the wheel and operated the vehicle. There was no problem because I was hourly and paying union dues. Sooooo, why couldn't a guy take his freaky wife or GF to a room with a working girl in it. Even if he gave the WG 50 Euro just to watch the two of them (man and wife) go at it. More likely, a man would like to have a 3 sum where the WG goes at it with his wife or it is a true 3-way. I do not see why this would be a problem.
BTW. I was taking a sauna at Sharks and a couple walked in the sauna. At least I got the feeling that they were a couple. She certainly was not your typical WG. I think it was a freaky middle-aged couple. Ahhh that would be fun.
Seen a bunch of female guests at Oase especially. And also some at Oceans.
Artemis on the other hand I believe is off limit for girls from what I know.
Hey Optimist. Why is this? Why should it be any different. Say I was lucky enough to have an open-minded, freaky as hell wife. Why couldn't we hire a girl to go in the room with us to have a 3-sum?
This is analogous to my part time job when I was going to the university. It was a Union shop. Once a manager needed a vehicle moved and asked me to move it because I paid union dues (mind you I was not in the crooked union). I said I didn't now how to operate that truck. The manager told me "get in" and he jumped behind the wheel and operated the vehicle. There was no problem because I was hourly and paying union dues. Sooooo, why couldn't a guy take his freaky wife or GF to a room with a working girl in it. Even if he gave the WG 50 Euro just to watch the two of them (man and wife) go at it. More likely, a man would like to have a 3 sum where the WG goes at it with his wife or it is a true 3-way. I do not see why this would be a problem.
BTW. I was taking a sauna at Sharks and a couple walked in the sauna. At least I got the feeling that they were a couple. She certainly was not your typical WG. I think it was a freaky middle-aged couple. Ahhh that would be fun.Read carefully. A female guest cannot go with other paying male guests because she would be competing with the WGs. She can definitely be in the room with another WG if she pays.
So you see, a little extra service goes a long way. It is an investment in your business. I went to Oase last year and I told the manager I will never come back again. Exactly one year later I arrived at Sharks for my first ever visit. The plan was to stay one day and then head to the NRW. But guess what? I liked Sharks so much I stayed an extra day. I did 7 sessions and only three were 50 Euro sessions.
The year before I liked GT and I liked it. So I returned and found my favorite girl and I spent a couple of hours with her in the room. She gave me good service.
I went to LR and I got great service and I plan to return.
This is how business works.It is more than that. When many girls provide good services, the club gets a good reputation, and thus, increased visits by men. All girls benefit from the extra business. It is in everyone's interest to enforce fair rules. That is the genius of FKKs. By adopting uniform pricing, there is no waste of time haggling over prices and no ripoff artists. More guys visit since the prices and services are knows. That is one reason by Germany is the king of brothels in the EU. NL used to hold that distinction.
UltraHappy
06-28-18, 03:48
If I agree for staying one hour at the beginning, and find out service still bad, and I finish the session before 30 minutes and walk out, I still need to pay her 100.
So, are you really asking about whether it is advisable to make a contractual promise and then attempt to breach that contractual promise? If you make a promise and then you renege on your promise, you better have a damn good argument about why you are not following through with your promise (for example, you explicitly stated that your promise was a conditional promise, and your stated condition was not met). But, if you flat out promise an hour and you don't follow through, well, wouldn't you be pissed if you hired a vendor who reneged on their contractual promises to you?
If I say at the beginning of the session to the girl that I will start 30 minutes to see how it will evolve, that means bad service will start for most case.
Not necessarily. I never ever commit to a duration of time in the room with a new girl. Most of my sessions turn out quite nicely. But, yeah, if the girl doesn't turn out to your liking, then don't repeat her and move on. She will lose out on your repeat business and she will perhaps regret not giving not giving you better service when she sees you spending your money on all of her friends instead.
Rogue Nation
06-28-18, 08:34
Read carefully. A female guest cannot go with other paying male guests because she would be competing with the WGs. She can definitely be in the room with another WG if she pays.Plus she would need registration and all the necessary papers.
Seen a bunch of female guests at Oase especially. And also some at Oceans.
Artemis on the other hand I believe is off limit for girls from what I know.It is back in 2014, but there were two female couple who were at Artemis, they were so hot.
Other than that, I never seen any female guests so far. It would be interesting to see though.
HungryStud101
06-28-18, 12:22
Summary of my 4 days in the clubs.
Don't push it too much without a hotel. In the past, I'd skimped and left at close a couple of nights in a row and roughed it. Sleeping in a car, or just hanging around takes it's toll over a few days, especially for this 50+yo monger. In the future, even though it pisses me off to spend a lot for a hotel that I'll use for a few hours until a club opens, I think I'll arrange to just leave the clubs at midnight, and go get a good sleep. It was a great 4 days, but definitely took a lot out of me without a place to sleep for a few nights.Too bad you can't rent a van or something that you could actually sleep a little more comfortable in. I am thinking about the big RVs we see in the USA at sporting events. I would like to pull into Sharks in one of these.
HungryStud101
06-28-18, 12:47
Read carefully. A female guest cannot go with other paying male guests because she would be competing with the WGs. She can definitely be in the room with another WG if she pays.Wait a second: Everyone pays to get in, correct? So if the guy enters an FKK with his wife they would both pay a fee. That fee is equal to the fee that a WG pays, correct? So, hypothetically, if a guy goes into a room with his freaky wife without a WG and he pays her it would be OK or if the guy gets off on the thrill of his wife going into a room with another monger and if that monger pays her the unwritten scale wage that also would also be ok, correct? Ahhh, but all the WGs need to be "documented" under the new law. I am not sure what"documented" entails but could this cause a problem for the scenarios above?
I am under the assumption that both the WGs and the Hobbyists pay the same fee and that all the girls are freelancers or independent contractors that are not employees of the house. Sorry for all the questions but I have spent a grand total of 13 days in an FKK over the years and I am not entirely sure of the relationship between the WG and the house. I am pretty sure that there is a cost structure that is unwritten but still fairly rigid in nature with limited flexibility and that it is enforced to a degree by peer pressure. I was chastised on here after I had written a report in March where I revealed that I walked away from a girl offering anal for 100 Euro and I was only willing to pay 50 Euro. I walked and she ran after me and settled for 50 Euro. I put that in a report and I was chastised for it by a fellow ISGr. He said that the other girls at that particular FKK will read this and go after that particular WG. I admit I never considered this when I wrote that report.
UltraHappy
06-28-18, 14:01
Wait a second: Everyone pays to get in, correct? So if the guy enters an FKK with his wife they would both pay a fee. That fee is equal to the fee that a WG pays, correct? So, hypothetically, if a guy goes into a room with his freaky wife without a WG and he pays her it would be OK or if the guy gets off on the thrill of his wife going into a room with another monger and if that monger pays her the unwritten scale wage that also would also be ok, correct?
I am under the assumption that both the WGs and the Hobbyists pay the same fee and that all the girls are freelancers or independent contractors that are not employees of the house. Example, Donald decides to go to a club with his wife Melanie (entirely fictional names, both American citizens and citizens of no other country). They both pay an entry fee.
(1) Donald can go to the room with any working girl.
(2) Melanie can go to room with any working girl.
(3) Donald and Melanie can both go together to the room with any working girl.
(4) Donald and Melanie can both go together to the room by themselves without any working girl unless for some reason the club prohibits this (unusual). For example, at Oase, Mainhattan, and World, you can go to the room with your female guest without a working girl accompanying you. While some clubs may have their own voluntarily-imposed rules about this (I'm not aware of any), but there is no legal requirement that prohibits the club from allowing a male guest to bring his female guest to the room without a working girl.
(5) BUT, Melanie may NOT go to the room with another male guest because Melanie does not have right to work in the EU. If Melanie has an EU passport, at some clubs like World, she may leave her passport at the front desk, and Reception will allow her to "work" during her stay at the club as a guest. Not all clubs will allow this accommodation however for many valid reasons that I don't feel like enumerating here. To be clear, this is not an issue of employee versus independent worker. This is about the right to work. Melanie can't go to the room with a male guest for the same reason that she doesn't have the right to do ANY work in the EU, including being hired as the cleaning lady to mop the toilets in Europe, because without an appropriate work visa, she simply doesn't have the right to work at all in the EU.
Your next question might be, "WTF? Isn't that sexist to assume that Melanie is working when she goes to the room with another male guest, but not Donald?" Sorry, but yes, by the definition of sexism, that is indeed sexist and yes, that is the world we live in. Welcome to 2018.
Sorry everybody Automatic spell correct make my post nonsense. Meant to say female guest, who pays normal entry like male guest, should not go to room with a male guest (apart from the one she arrived with).
Paying a girl working at the club to go to a room is good.
The law of diminishing returns is firmly in place. I actually abstained from any ejaculation for nearly 10 days prior to the club visit, and yet 5 climaxes is all I was able accomplish for all that money spent and all those rooms visited. Ouch.Five climaxes over five days? If that is close to your normal output back in sex prison USA masturbating to porn, then nothing you could do about that. That's a physical limitation. But let's say you had the flu and were stuck at home for five days with nothing to do. How many climaxes could you manage? If your answer is about 7-8, then I'd say you have nothing to say "Ouch" about. One should expect to be slightly more prolific using their own hand. But if your number is like 15+, that seems like something worth addressing. Hopefully, you could rehabilitate yourself so that by your next trip, you can get 7-8 pops and simultaneously cut your spending.
I've posted some articles about dangers of online porn before. Most seemed to think that their performance issues were related to not only online porn but also to being too accustomed to the feel of their right hand. My suggestions: use your left hand. Or pretend like its 1970 and masturbate just to photos or using just your imagination.
In my late teens and early 20's I could only pop in missionary and it was difficult. I certainly had more testosterone back then. Essentially I had the exact opposite of premature ejaculation. In most cases, my erection would weaken before I could reach climax. Since I was seeing only civilian girls back then, they were always disappointed they were unable to please me. After I addressed my issues, I could climax easily in missionary, standing up, spoon, cowgirl, CIM. Although I've never managed to finish using stand and carry: https://www.google.com/search?q=stand+and+carry+sex&tbm=isch.
Polyamorist
06-28-18, 15:13
Wait a second: Everyone pays to get in, correct? So if the guy enters an FKK with his wife they would both pay a fee. That fee is equal to the fee that a WG pays, correct?Salaam, Mr Stud. The fees that a WG pays vary from FKK to FKK. I was in a place recently and a girl told me sadly that she had to pay 200 CHF every day: entrance fee plus expenses like in-house food.
I was aghast. If a girl is paying that, she starts out the day with an attitude of debt: the customers for her are not interesting opportunities any more, but just a way to pay off her debt. Furthermore, the best girls are often those who are new to the scene, but what fresh girl is going to want to pay 200 CHF on her first day? All you are going to get is hardened pros, locked into the system.
A club should not be making more off the girls than it is off the customers (who were few in this FKK). Imagine you are a tourist in this club and you have a dispute with a girl. Whose side is the management going to take? The person who pays a one-time fee of 100 or the person who pays 200 every day?
I would go to the other extreme: the girls should not pay an entrance fee at all. So any girl (including Hobbyhuren) could enter provided they met the quality / talent standards of the club. The management would have to put in the work upholding those standards but what else are they there for? As for the lost income from the girls, that would be compensated for by an influx of horny, interested guys.
Your opinions? Should girls have to pay entrance?
Smoke Light
06-28-18, 16:33
I've posted some articles about dangers of online porn before. Most seemed to think that their performance issues were related to not only online porn but also to being too accustomed to the feel of their right hand. My suggestions: use your left hand. Or pretend like its 1970 and masturbate just to photos or using just your imagination.If you have good chemistry with a girl it's not unreasonable to ask to take photos of her in the room. Many WGs have no problem with it, especially if face is not visible or covered by hair. So you can masturbate to those. Having done this, sometimes I feel so unhappy in sex prison USA, that looking at the pictures of some really good FKK memories makes it even worse. Then I am switching to an online porn, mostly non-commercial amateur stuff like eroprofile.com. Webcam-style WhatsApp video chat with a known WG and finish in your hand is best for a boost of morale and self-esteem. And don't forget plenty of baby oil, LOL.
Smoke Light
06-28-18, 17:11
Regarding discussion on the rules for female guests in FKK clubs. I am not sure if clubs would allow you and other men fuck your wife in collaboration with at least one WG present in the room. I think a gangbang club may be a better option if a gangbang activity is your wife's fantasy.
One WG suggested that I take her to a gangbang club. She has many names and changes clubs like gloves, but I think her LR name is Julia. I consider her idea very interesting, since I've never done a gangbang club myself. I have good trust in her instincts since I had her multiple times in my hotel. My only concern is my life safety when she is driving her red hot Audi like a maniac and never lets me drive my "lousy" rental car.
ExpatLover
06-28-18, 17:59
Salaam, Mr Stud. The fees that a WG pays vary from FKK to FKK. I was in a place recently and a girl told me sadly that she had to pay 200 CHF every day: entrance fee plus expenses like in-house food.
I was aghast. If a girl is paying that, she starts out the day with an attitude of debt: the customers for her are not interesting opportunities any more, but just a way to pay off her debt. Furthermore, the best girls are often those who are new to the scene, but what fresh girl is going to want to pay 200 CHF on her first day? All you are going to get is hardened pros, locked into the system.
A club should not be making more off the girls than it is off the customers (who were few in this FKK). Imagine you are a tourist in this club and you have a dispute with a girl. Whose side is the management going to take? The person who pays a one-time fee of 100 or the person who pays 200 every day?
I would go to the other extreme: the girls should not pay an entrance fee at all. So any girl (including Hobbyhuren) could enter provided they met the quality / talent standards of the club. The management would have to put in the work upholding those standards but what else are they there for? As for the lost income from the girls, that would be compensated for by an influx of horny, interested guys.
Your opinions? Should girls have to pay entrance?The business model reinforced by the new law is to make the girls and the mongers to pay and to get 0 from what happen between them, even they can less and less control the quality of the presentation just because the girls are independent workers even free to ask the price they want.
It is back in 2014, but there were two female couple who were at Artemis, they were so hot.
Other than that, I never seen any female guests so far. It would be interesting to see though.Are you sure they were not just pole dancers, or some women working there? Or someone looking into working at the club? Because if memory serves me right, I believe I overheard the receptionist once say civilian women were not allowed in.
Thank you for all the posts regarding female guests.
I should have been a little more specific in my first post. My wife would love to watch me with a WG in an FKK, and I would love to show her the places and the "chemistry" in the clubs. She has watched me with WG's earlier, but not in an "exclusive" club as an FKK. Our intention is to let me be a regular customer, and let the wife watch. From your answers it looks like it would be possible in some clubs. Thank you again!
UltraHappy
06-28-18, 21:04
Thank you for all the posts regarding female guests.
I should have been a little more specific in my first post. My wife would love to watch me with a WG in an FKK, and I would love to show her the places and the "chemistry" in the clubs. She has watched me with WG's earlier, but not in an "exclusive" club as an FKK. Our intention is to let me be a regular customer, and let the wife watch. From your answers it looks like it would be possible in some clubs. Thank you again!Yes, this is allowed, but only in those clubs that allow female guests. Just FYI, Sharks no longer allows female guests.
Oase allows female guests. As Mauro says, "Of course couples are allowed; it's even written right on our front door!" (but he says this in German of course).
When taking wife to the room, you must be clear with the working girl that the wife is not participating (unless you're willing pay on the wife's account also). If Wife is only watching, you should tell the working girl that the wife is just there to watch to make sure you don't do anything too naughty, like have sex without a condom. You can tell the girl that your wife has forbidden you to go to the room with a prostitute unless Wife is there supervising to make sure everything is on the up-and-up. If the Wife participates (for example, feeling up the working girl in the room while you're playing with the working girl), the working girl is likely going to expect renumeration from the wife as well.
So, my recommendation is for you to act like you have no choice in the matter, that you are not bringing the wife along because you want the wife to be there, but merely because you are abiding by your wife's rules. You should make clear up front upon entering the room that wife is not paying and not participating (unless you want wife to participate, in which case, be prepared to pay up).
Or, you can try whatever approach works for you.
Member #4581
06-29-18, 01:27
Making the girls pay an entry fee implies they are not employees of the club but are renting the club facilities to ply their trade, in effect making them independent self employed contractors -- which in turn gives the club some amount of immunity from potential legal violations by the girls. This was, in a nutshell, the argument / explanation provided here in the past. I am not a legal expert, so I will leave it to the lawyers here.
Also, if there is no entry fee, all and sundry girls (regardless of age / attractiveness / ability and willingness to gain customers) can just come in, use the facilities and partake in food and other amenities, and just sleep or do whatever pleases them. If the manager sits there screening them in/out, that will be an issue. Who is to say the manager is qualified to decide who is fuckable or not, who is a good worker or not, and so on.
I do think girls having to pay more than male guests is a bit much. Also, now that some clubs have variable pricing depending on the day of the week / time of entry, so too should they modulate entry fee for the girls. If the club makes entry fee 50 E prior to 4 PM or on specific days due to the implicit acknowledgement that business is slow on those days for the club, should they not provide a cheaper entry to the girls on days when the club itself thinks its own business will be slow??
Salaam, Mr Stud. The fees that a WG pays vary from FKK to FKK. I was in a place recently and a girl told me sadly that she had to pay 200 CHF every day: entrance fee plus expenses like in-house food.
I was aghast. If a girl is paying that, she starts out the day with an attitude of debt: the customers for her are not interesting opportunities any more, but just a way to pay off her debt. Furthermore, the best girls are often those who are new to the scene, but what fresh girl is going to want to pay 200 CHF on her first day? All you are going to get is hardened pros, locked into the system.
A club should not be making more off the girls than it is off the customers (who were few in this FKK). Imagine you are a tourist in this club and you have a dispute with a girl. Whose side is the management going to take? The person who pays a one-time fee of 100 or the person who pays 200 every day?
I would go to the other extreme: the girls should not pay an entrance fee at all. So any girl (including Hobbyhuren) could enter provided they met the quality / talent standards of the club. The management would have to put in the work upholding those standards but what else are they there for? As for the lost income from the girls, that would be compensated for by an influx of horny, interested guys.
Your opinions? Should girls have to pay entrance?
Our intention is to let me be a regular customer, and let the wife watch. From your answers it looks like it would be possible in some clubs. Thank you again!Bro,
Your money is the king. Some WGs will do BBFS for a bit of extra cash. Most will do CIM. I can't see why any would care if you wife wants to watch.
OK guys, you have six days to spend between NRW and Frankfurt with a car and nowhere to be. What do you do? Go.
Regarding discussion on the rules for female guests in FKK clubs. I am not sure if clubs would allow you and other men fuck your wife in collaboration with at least one WG present in the room. I think a gangbang club may be a better option if a gangbang activity is your wife's fantasy.
One WG suggested that I take her to a gangbang club. She has many names and changes clubs like gloves, but I think her LR name is Julia. I consider her idea very interesting, since I've never done a gangbang club myself. I have good trust in her instincts since I had her multiple times in my hotel. My only concern is my life safety when she is driving her red hot Audi like a maniac and never lets me drive my "lousy" rental car.Me and a random guy I met at sharks once did a gangbang with 2 girls there. And at Oase I've had the idea come up as well. But I suppose not many girls are up for it.
Julia from LR, if that is the same Julia I met at Magnum who claimed to normally work at LR as Julia there, is a very nice girl from my experience with her. It is best when you find sweet girls like that with kinky naughty sides too.
Member #4581
06-29-18, 06:01
I am not particularly comfortable sharing my sex life at home, I have to say. Now, I wrote a somewhat graphic report, almost blow by blow so to speak. Also, I love to have public sex, letting it all hang out there, in front of all to see. So, does it sound fucked up? Perhaps. I figured that the club sex is the public aspect of my life, and happy to share that side of my persona. Anyway, if this sounds weird, I am happy to admit to being weird.
That said, a couple of things: my own productivity in the clubs has declined rather precipitously. A couple of years ago, I was managing the 8 or 9 crescendos you mentioned in a 4 to 5 day visit. So, this is a sad turn of events.
Secondly, I simply don't think those sessions were wasted money in any sense. As they say, the journey is the main reward, not reaching the destination. I fully expect not to finish, and still want to enjoy the sex with these nubile wenches. I think I mentioned in my note that I could have finished easily with Zainab, given her size, fit, attraction, etc. I kinda held back because had I climaxed, I would be lifeless for a longer period than I hope and not be able to go to room with other girls.
Anyway, there is no one answer that's right for everyone here. I am kinda proud that I was hard and strong to have sex with so many girls (only two doses of cialis in 5 days) and yes a couple of more finishes would have been satisfying, but I also realized that my body would not be ready if I had pushed myself to those finishes. So, I paced myself accordingly.
Five climaxes over five days? If that is close to your normal output back in sex prison USA masturbating to porn, then nothing you could do about that. That's a physical limitation. But let's say you had the flu and were stuck at home for five days with nothing to do. How many climaxes could you manage? If your answer is about 7-8, then I'd say you have nothing to say "Ouch" about. One should expect to be slightly more prolific using their own hand. But if your number is like 15+, that seems like something worth addressing. Hopefully, you could rehabilitate yourself so that by your next trip, you can get 7-8 pops and simultaneously cut your spending.
I've posted some articles about dangers of online porn before. Most seemed to think that their performance issues were related to not only online porn but also to being too accustomed to the feel of their right hand. My suggestions: use your left hand. Or pretend like its 1970 and masturbate just to photos or using just your imagination.
In my late teens and early 20's I could only pop in missionary and it was difficult. I certainly had more testosterone back then. Essentially I had the exact opposite of premature ejaculation. In most cases, my erection would weaken before I could reach climax. Since I was seeing only civilian girls back then, they were always disappointed they were unable to please me. After I addressed my issues, I could climax easily in missionary, standing up, spoon, cowgirl, CIM. Although I've never managed to finish using stand and carry: https://www.google.com/search?q=stand+and+carry+sex&tbm=isch.
Thank you for all the posts regarding female guests.
I should have been a little more specific in my first post. My wife would love to watch me with a WG in an FKK, and I would love to show her the places and the "chemistry" in the clubs. She has watched me with WG's earlier, but not in an "exclusive" club as an FKK. Our intention is to let me be a regular customer, and let the wife watch. From your answers it looks like it would be possible in some clubs. Thank you again!Definitely. But not in all clubs.
The only thing I would add to the helpful comments by others is that you will of course need to make sure your wife is happy at all points. I guess you know this already.
If your wife and the girl can establish some connection then that can up the quality of the experience. They could end up running the session and having a riot.
I occasionally had disasters when doing what you do. I got so keen on a particular girls I didn't check how my wife felt, so there were a couple of less than successful times.
NR71.
Definitely. But not in all clubs.
The only thing I would add to the helpful comments by others is that you will of course need to make sure your wife is happy at all points. I guess you know this already.
If your wife and the girl can establish some connection then that can up the quality of the experience. They could end up running the session and having a riot.
I occasionally had disasters when doing what you do. I got so keen on particular girls I didn't check how my wife felt, so there were a couple of less than successful times.
Optimist, thank you for your good advices. If you would I would love to hear why you brought your wife, and her impression of the clubs. What clubs did you go to? Will you bring her again? How did the WG's react? And more. .
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I occasionally had disasters when doing what you do. I got so keen on particular girls I didn't check how my wife felt, so there were a couple of less than successful times.People who were ever into swinging, swapping etc are well-aware of this. When you involve a wife / girlfriend with a third party female, the wife / girlfriend is likely to lose her cool in the following cases:
- the third party female is younger / sexier / better-looking.
- you are obviously too keen on the third party female.
- the third party female is of the raunchy aggressively sexual kind.
You can experience that yourself by having a trio with another man (eg a "cuckold" experience). If the other chap turns out too handsome, too much of a hypersexual badboy, you are likely to experience a testosterone turning of the worm inside your male brain.
Here added is the afterthought that the working girl is getting some of your money.
On the whole I've found sexual fantasies involving 3 people to be exponentially more difficult to put into practice than fantasies involving just me and another adult.
Note that the bullet-points above are exactly what we look for when we session a girl one-to-one.
Are you sure they were not just pole dancers, or some women working there? Or someone looking into working at the club? Because if memory serves me right, I believe I overheard the receptionist once say civilian women were not allowed in.Yes, they were as in two girls were swimming down stair pool by sauna and guys eyes were fixed on their nude body and many including myself went up to them asking for session and they said they do not work and they are also the guests, these two girls were real beauty. It seems they were there to check the place out as they were giggling, pointing at places etc.
This is only time I saw girls at artemis or any other FKK I have been to since 2009 or 2010 actually.
Most crazy thing I saw at FKK was pregnant woman as a working girl. I mean. I got my limit.
Most regrettable I did not see at FKK that I missed were beautiful twins, oh I want to go threesome with such girls. Sisters I have seen but one of them is not hot or both were not hot, or it is merely a lie that these girls are actually sisters LOL.
Polyamorist
06-29-18, 12:36
Making the girls pay an entry fee implies they are not employees of the club but are renting the club facilities to ply their trade, in effect making them independent self employed contractors -- which in turn gives the club some amount of immunity from potential legal violations by the girls. This was, in a nutshell, the argument / explanation provided here in the past. I am not a legal expert, so I will leave it to the lawyers here.
Barak Allah-bama, Jnpr.
So, the ostensible aim of the girls' entry fee is to stop an employer-employee relationship and the kind of bondage that implies. However, the effect is the opposite: it increases the bondage between the girl and the club. The money increases the feeling of commitment the girl has, and she may get into a sort of debt bondage. Also if she is paying that fee, she is paying for the whole day, so she cannot do two or three clubs in one day.
High entry barriers stifle competition. At most, the girl should be paying 10 E to cover the food (and food is not an intrinsic part of an FKK anyway -- it can be paid for or ordered separately). A free setup like this would be much friendlier to the casual Hobbyhuren that I love, increasing the "applicant pool" tenfold. If a club started to become dominated by a gang, the good providers would be able to switch much more easily, and customers would quickly follow -- meaning that clubs that allowed gangs to fester would die out more quickly.
Competition and free movement are key to quality.
I am not saying that a club has to be a free-for-all where any woman can get in and behave as she likes. Each FKK should be free to determine its own policies, but the FKKs that will do better in a free market are the FKKs that impose quality control. This does not imply bondage. If a fashionable nightclub has no problem turning away guys who are not young or sexy enough, then why should an FKK feel guilty about turning away the grannies who sometimes show up in their underwear and scare the patrons? If a nightclub does not mind turfing out a customer who has gotten drunk and violent, or a mall can revoke the license of a shop with many complaints, then why shouldn't an FKK ban a girl who is operating a con game on customers and bringing the premises into disrepute? That kind of control does not imply an employer-employee relationship.
Very well said Allabama! I agree with you 100%.
And the fact that not everyone thinks like you do in your post, poses some questions. Some of which some of us with more insight into rumors at the clubs know a bit more of. And the problem like you say: barriers of entry for the girls.
I don't know a good solution here on what we can do about it. But thw clubs: All of them, might want to rethink their agendas if they want to survive another 10 years.
And what you direct your post at is the main issue I have with FKK's. And it could be their downfall as they all show a terrible lack of knowledge on crisis management.
And like you say, girls should not pay for anything other than food. But still we hear of crazy rules at Globe and Oase and a bit less crazy rules at Aca and a few more no-approach policy clubs. These things make sense if you have the girls only paying for the food. But it makes zero sense if they pay normal entry fees. I know the feminist mafia would be totally all over this. No need to say more. So the idea is to consider game theory.
If it means that other jobs must be cut at the clubs, then so be it, but I think entry levels from guys will increase if the clubs lower this entry level for the girls also.
Member #4581
06-29-18, 22:52
Poly,
You make good arguments. Keep in mind, I was a messenger merely regurgitating the arguments which were presented by others.
You did not address the legal aspect of this. I am not a lawyer and have zero knowledge of German law. If a club feels its legal liability is much less with the current set up, they will use it. If you KNOW otherwise, please say so.
As for the commercial aspect again, we are not privy to the details of their finances. What we do know is that every day, they are getting entry fee from nearly a hundred girls which is not insubstantial. You say, if they forego that amount they will make it up with increased men's traffic. May be they will, may be they won't. But they WILL lose that pool of money from girls' entry fee and it is understandable why clubs could remain conservative and unwilling to lose that amount.
Bondage is a dirty word. There are real girls out there suffering real bondage. Let us not throw these adjectives around lightly.
I can see both sides of this argument. A girl who paid entry fee has an incentive to work hard and give good service to recoup her investment. A girl who pays nothing has less incentive to do the same.
And the variable cost to the club is not simply just the food, but also the upkeep and maintenance, laundry, utility bills, even the interest and tax payments to some extent, more employees to support the increased traffic. There are also physical limitations. People already complain GT is ridiculously crowded and no place to sit etc. Weekend nights have long room waits in many places. Is the club able to handle ten times the traffic that you suggest will be generated if they abolish the entry fee for girls? How?
I also don't think there is any evidence that there are several thousands of attractive girls who are at present willing to sell their bodies but are holding back due to the entry fee. What I do see is that the attractive girls with good service are able to easily covering their entry and still making good money. The so so girls just cover their fee and make some money. If they can't cover the fee consistently, they up their game and give better services or quit the playing field. The entry fee acts like a sorting system and separating the good providers from not so good ones.
Standing at the street corner is free. I don't know if street h00 kers are quite legal in Germany. But that doesn't make it better competition or a good outcome. We go to FKK as opposed to finding street walkers or even the RLD with some expectations. There is no guarantee that those expectations will be undisturbed if they open the club doors to every girl that shows up. If the clubs are filled to the brim with a bunch of free loader types that look to scam the guys, the male traffic instead of growing multi fold, might very well decline.
Barak Allah-bama, Jnpr.
So, the ostensible aim of the girls' entry fee is to stop an employer-employee relationship and the kind of bondage that implies. However, the effect is the opposite: it increases the bondage between the girl and the club. The money increases the feeling of commitment the girl has, and she may get into a sort of debt bondage. Also if she is paying that fee, she is paying for the whole day, so she cannot do two or three clubs in one day.
High entry barriers stifle competition. At most, the girl should be paying 10 E to cover the food (and food is not an intrinsic part of an FKK anyway -- it can be paid for or ordered separately). A free setup like this would be much friendlier to the casual Hobbyhuren that I love, increasing the "applicant pool" tenfold. If a club started to become dominated by a gang, the good providers would be able to switch much more easily, and customers would quickly follow -- meaning that clubs that allowed gangs to fester would die out more quickly.
Competition and free movement are key to quality.
I am not saying that a club has to be a free-for-all where any woman can get in and behave as she likes. Each FKK should be free to determine its own policies, but the FKKs that will do better in a free market are the FKKs that impose quality control. This does not imply bondage. If a fashionable nightclub has no problem turning away guys who are not young or sexy enough, then why should an FKK feel guilty about turning away the grannies who sometimes show up in their underwear and scare the patrons? If a nightclub does not mind turfing out a customer who has gotten drunk and violent, or a mall can revoke the license of a shop with many complaints, then why shouldn't an FKK ban a girl who is operating a con game on customers and bringing the premises into disrepute? That kind of control does not imply an employer-employee relationship.
And like you say, girls should not pay for anything other than food. But still we hear of crazy rules at Globe and Oase and a bit less crazy rules at Aca and a few more no-approach policy clubs. These things make sense if you have the girls only paying for the food. But it makes zero sense if they pay normal entry fees. I know the feminist mafia would be totally all over this. No need to say more. So the idea is to consider game theory.
If it means that other jobs must be cut at the clubs, then so be it, but I think entry levels from guys will increase if the clubs lower this entry level for the girls also.Girls pay more to enter in some clubs buddy, like at Artemis, if I remember right girls pay 120 or 140 euro entry fee, but they sleep in dorms up stairs.
Sometimes, when ugly girls approach me in FKK, I politely tell her how long and how much you are willing to spend on me in room? As saying no thank you LOL.
And like you say, girls should not pay for anything other than food. But still we hear of crazy rules at Globe and Oase and a bit less crazy rules at Aca and a few more no-approach policy clubs. These things make sense if you have the girls only paying for the food. But it makes zero sense if they pay normal entry fees. I know the feminist mafia would be totally all over this. No need to say more. So the idea is to consider game theory.
If it means that other jobs must be cut at the clubs, then so be it, but I think entry levels from guys will increase if the clubs lower this entry level for the girls also.The reason clubs charge entry is to weed out the undesirables. For example, men who ogle and feel up a woman with no intention of going to a room. The same happens on the girls side. There will be freeloaders. Girls with poor service or rippoffs. When a girl pays entry, they have something to loose. That is why girls who are short time or move around a lot tend to have bad service. There is no incentive for repeat business. Plus, the good looking ones know they will get a share of people who will try them.
Rogue Nation
06-30-18, 08:44
The reason why clubs charge entry to girls and guys is to make money. It's as simple as that. They are not non profit organizations. It's redlight environment. Profit is priority. Nothing else.
The reason clubs charge entry is to weed out the undesirables. For example, men who ogle and feel up a woman with no intention of going to a room. The same happens on the girls side. There will be freeloaders. Girls with poor service or rippoffs. When a girl pays entry, they have something to loose. That is why girls who are short time or move around a lot tend to have bad service. There is no incentive for repeat business. Plus, the good looking ones know they will get a share of people who will try them.If you truly read poly's post, you should see the easy fix to this: an evolution in 'dress code requirements'.
The reason clubs charge entry is to weed out the undesirables. For example, men who ogle and feel up a woman with no intention of going to a room. The same happens on the girls side. There will be freeloaders. Girls with poor service or rippoffs. When a girl pays entry, they have something to loose. That is why girls who are short time or move around a lot tend to have bad service. There is no incentive for repeat business. Plus, the good looking ones know they will get a share of people who will try them.I think the answer given before was spot on up until the speculation that the only impact to the club from the women conducting business is about 10 per day per woman. In addition to food other costs are present: cleaning rooms, bed laundry, towel laundry, electricity, water for washing and toilets, security, etc. If the women don't have to pay entry, these costs would be passed on to the male clients. I also agree that the club has the right to deny entry to both male and females due to their behavior inside the club.
I simply don't think those sessions were wasted money in any sense. As they say, the journey is the main reward, not reaching the destination. I fully expect not to finish, and still want to enjoy the sex with these nubile wenches.Common sentiment I hear. A lot of fly-in mongers, Americans especially, have told me they have difficulty cumming in the room. Over half don't regularly cum in the room. But due to my personal history of having difficulty, my natural follow-up question is "how often can you climax to online porn at home?" Most of them will say their output at home is at least 3 times what they can manage in the club. I don't keep a spreadsheet or anything but here are some observations:
Observation #1: EVERY single one of them has expressed extreme difficulty with CIM. Many even stating that they have never in their life climaxed inside a girl's mouth, unless they did the work themselves and sprayed it in there.
Observation #2: 90-100 percent of the time they can cum in only their go-to position. Many have said they have never in their life cum when a girl is riding them.
Both of the above statements were once true for me. At age 16, my absolute peak in libido, I could never accomplish either of the above. These were milestones that I achieved much later.
That said, a couple of things: my own productivity in the clubs has declined rather precipitously. A couple of years ago, I was managing the 8 or 9 crescendos you mentioned in a 4 to 5 day visit. So, this is a sad turn of events.Are you sure that your reduction in productivity is due to age, health and or reduced libido? My understanding is you have only been FKKing about five years. Perhaps your libido has only dropped ten percent. But the "novelty factor" is what is missing now. Some fly-in guys get addicted immediately. Maybe ten trips in a 20 month period. When compared against their first two trips, their production has decreased precipitiously as well, even though they have not aged much. When I was 16, I could masturbate six times a day and climax each time. I had GFs and the first ten times we had sex, I climaxed with relative ease (15-20 minutes). Then the novelty factor went away, and I started having difficulty (60 minutes no climax). But I was still able to masturbate six times a day at home by myself and climax each time.
Polyamorist
06-30-18, 15:10
You did not address the legal aspect of this. I am not a lawyer and have zero knowledge of German law. If a club feels its legal liability is much less with the current set up, they will use it. If you KNOW otherwise, please say so.
Hamdulillah Jnpr. The FKK concept is bigger than Germany. We thank Germany for inventing it, but the torch has moved on. Since 2017, when talking about what is best for FKKs, "It is not allowed in Germany," is no longer an interesting argument. Nothing is allowed in Germany. Let's not get distracted agonizing over the ins and outs of a maze of twisty legislation that is designed to screw up the FKK system and set the participants against each other.
Polyamorist
06-30-18, 15:16
Very well said Allabama! I agree with you 100%.
And the fact that not everyone thinks like you do in your post, poses some questions. Some of which some of us with more insight into rumors at the clubs know a bit more of. And the problem like you say: barriers of entry for the girls.
I don't know a good solution here on what we can do about it. But thw clubs: All of them, might want to rethink their agendas if they want to survive another 10 years.
Shukran Pistons, I'm glad someone agrees with me anyway. Would be interested in hearing more about those rumors, though appreciate you're limited in what you can say.
Polyamorist
06-30-18, 15:49
The reason clubs charge entry is to weed out the undesirables. For example, men who ogle and feel up a woman with no intention of going to a room. The same happens on the girls side.Does it? I thank Allah for the blessing! When I go the club, there will be plenty of freeloading chicks wanting to cop a free feel of Poly's jiggly jewels in the shower.
But what I noticed over the years is that if a hot woman strips nude among a bunch of horny guys and struts around in her high heels, she generally has an ulterior motive -- making some cash -- and she is not just there to sample the sauna facilities.
If a girl is in an FKK, she means business, regardless of whether she has paid an entry fee. There is always the danger of hardened sharks trying to come in, but if a club takes a firm line against them, eventually they won't even bother appearing at the door, and the management will need to do less and less work.
What we do know is that every day, they are getting entry fee from nearly a hundred girls which is not insubstantial. You say, if they forego that amount they will make it up with increased men's traffic. May be they will, may be they won't. But they WILL lose that pool of money from girls' entry fee and it is understandable why clubs could remain conservative and unwilling to lose that amount.
A healthy FKK is going to have ten times as many customers as girls throughout any given day. So it should make ten times as much money off the guys. Its first concern then should be, "What will attract more guys?" rather than "Let's squeeze more cash out of our stable of girls. ".
I can see both sides of this argument. A girl who paid entry fee has an incentive to work hard and give good service to recoup her investment. A girl who pays nothing has less incentive to do the same.
When a girl pays entry, they have something to loose.Similar points, and good ones. But the assumption you seem to share is that people need to get into some kind of debt before they can be relied on to do a good job. I on the other hand would tend to assume that girls have other needs to be met by earning money, even before "investing" in the system.
Perhaps the best system is a mix of clubs, some with an entry fee for the girls, some with none. The "free" ones can act as feeder clubs for the more established ones. A guy can choose what club he goes to based on whether he prefers fresh girls with an element of risk, or seasoned pros with established reputations.
Especially when there is a new club (not that I am expecting any new clubs in Germany) that is having trouble getting girls, it should try this experiment of free entry for girls. Inshallah this will attract many semi-pros and locals. If the experiment fails it fails, but it should do so for market reasons, not because of pressure from a cartel or from the State.
Member #4581
06-30-18, 16:37
When Netscape was available in 1994/95 timeframe and I started using it, I could not understand how it was free, why they were not charging, and how they plan to get their investment back.
Then this business model of giving the product away for free and capturing returns through ads or other services became the norm. First, it was software and then some hardware too. Amazon sells its Kindles and echos and other gadgets below cost because they make money off it in myriad other ways.
Europe is a stodgy place business wise, and I doubt they will experiment. None of these tech business models ever came out of Europe.
Want to abolish girls' fee? Why not men's fee as well? Same argument can be made. No fee, many more men, more sessions. How does the club get paid? Some sort of room rent perhaps? Towel rent, charging excessively for food, pestering the men to buy other products (dick enlarging medicines, medicines to prolong sex to 5 hours, legal herbs, you name it).
I personally think that is bogus. There is no price elasticity or very minimal amount in this segment. I don't think there are many or any attractive girls who want to sell their bodies for money but holding back due to lacking the 100 entry. Do you know of any?
If they abolish the men's entry, there will be a lot of free loading men for sure. It will be a everyday Sharks Sunday sausage fest. That will in turn drive out the real mongers. No place to park, no place to sit, sour dour girls who are put off by all the free loaders touching and squeezing, etc etc.
However, there is always room for entrepreneurial gents, Poly. You can gather up a little money, start a small club with no entry fee, and see how it goes. Perhaps partner with a few likeminded men to share cost? Start small. It will be a novel idea, word of mouth will help spread the idea (build it and they WILL come apologies Kevin Costner) and you can do your own PnL analysis and see if it is a workable, sensible idea or just a utopian dream.
Polyamorist
06-30-18, 16:49
If they abolish the men's entry, there will be a lot of free loading men for sure. It will be a everyday Sharks Sunday sausage fest. That will for sure drive out the real mongers.Well of course. Nobody was talking about letting in guys for free. I'm assuming that is how clubs make 90% of their money. The change I was suggesting is a much smaller one.
Member #4581
06-30-18, 16:53
Well of course. Nobody was talking about letting in guys for free. I'm assuming that is how clubs make 90% of their money. The change I was suggesting is a much smaller one.The argument is symmetric. If you say "people don't need to go into debt to be good providers or customers", the no entry argument can be extended both ways.
Polyamorist
06-30-18, 17:12
The argument is symmetric. If you say "people don't need to go into debt to be good providers or customers", the no entry argument can be extended both ways.It's totally different. The FKK is filtering the guys based on what money they can present up front, and it is filtering the girls based on their beauty and service. That is the way it should be. Only a feminist would say that guys and girls should be treated the same in every way. I even have a name for it: "the symmetrical fallacy".
Rogue Nation
06-30-18, 18:00
Well of course. Nobody was talking about letting in guys for free. I'm assuming that is how clubs make 90% of their money. The change I was suggesting is a much smaller one.That's the way it should be. Some clubs run on that business model. Others are covering their cost and are making money by letting as many girls in as possible, not caring if they can make money with the number of customers coming and even charging them a whole lot more than the male guests.
It's totally different. The FKK is filtering the guys based on what money they can present up front, and it is filtering the girls based on their beauty and service. That is the way it should be. Only a feminist would say that guys and girls should be treated the same in every way. I even have a name for it: "the symmetrical fallacy".A fee for ladies is a way of filtering. If they are not good enough, they will not make back their money and will not come back. If you do not charge a fee, there will be girls that look around for big spenders or suckers and will not go for the basic 50. For many women there no reason to session with the difficult guys. Free also attracts the really ugly girls who will pester the guys for sessions. For guys, if there is no one interesting to session with or they get hassled too much, they too will not come back. If you want free, go the the rld and see what type of environment it is.
The market has spoken. That is why the FKKs are the way they are. It is maximum profit for the owners and a good environment for the guys. The model is proven by its success over time and why it has been copied in other countries. IMO the clubs have gotten too big. It is really interesting how people fail to appreciate how good and how cheap the model is. Yet, the constant complaint over 50 E.
You have referred to your past difficulties in a number of posts, but I haven't seen one where you described how you overcame them. Did you go through any particular "sex therapy" or just gradually got over being uncomfortable? Perhaps you have discussed this previously, if so it would be great if you could refer me to previous posts. I considered searching through all your old posts, but searching over 1300 posts seemed like a daunting task!
In my case I've gone through different versions of this, in particular with public sex. I've always been fascinated by the swinging / group sex / gangbang scene and have participated in many of those activities with some great experiences. While I always get rock hard watching things like gangbang porn, though (and hey, I'm not the only one, it's the number one subject of porn searches! I've certainly always found it hard to cum when I actually participate.
I do know one young woman who has been a godsend to me, she is a true nymphomaniac and is always enthusiastic to arrange something such as when I've said, you know, I'd really like to try a DP session. Here again, I've done some and I have great memories but it's hard to get them to work. I always think of the disclaimer in TV commercials with crazy driving "Trained professionals on a closed course, do not try this". But still I have the feeling I could do much more and get more out of it if I could overcome my inhibitions.
Geez that must sound really weird, I've done dps and gangbangs and group sex but I'm too inhibited. On the other hand, though, I've experienced issues like this many times in "normal" one on one paid sex. Thank god for my special friend, she is the one woman virtually always guaranteed to get me off. Interestingly, she has been in a relationship with the same guy for long before I've known her, although my guess is she wore the poor guy out years ago. She is around 32 so I know he is around 42.
Common sentiment I hear. A lot of fly-in mongers, Americans especially, have told me they have difficulty cumming in the room. Over half don't regularly cum in the room. But due to my personal history of having difficulty, my natural follow-up question is "how often can you climax to online porn at home?" Most of them will say their output at home is at least 3 times what they can manage in the club. I don't keep a spreadsheet or anything but here are some observations:
Observation #1: EVERY single one of them has expressed extreme difficulty with CIM. Many even stating that they have never in their life climaxed inside a girl's mouth, unless they did the work themselves and sprayed it in there.
Observation #2: 90-100 percent of the time they can cum in only their go-to position. Many have said they have never in their life cum when a girl is riding them.
Both of the above statements were once true for me. At age 16, my absolute peak in libido, I could never accomplish either of the above. These were milestones that I achieved much later.
Also, Hello, to all the current posters from someone in the distant past. I haven't posted in years, basically since circumstances changed and I wasn't going on trips to Germany. I do remember Creature and Optimist as posters, but all of the regulars I used to interact with seem to be gone. I guess 5 years is like 50 internet years. Still, I'm enjoying the discussion. I started reading the FKK threads when our USA sex guide went down with the new "FOSTA / SESTA" internet laws here. But Jackson et al sold it to a foreigner and it's back up and running.
Now I'm retired and could do more pleasure trips, but have to say at 64 I don't feel a special trip to FKK land is worth it to me. I'd be super happy if I had sex every other day, but I sure as heck can't abstain and save up to do, say, 10 times in one week. As relates to the discussion above, the physical limitations are part of it (as Junpr recently described), which is why I'd like even more now to get over hangups which prevent me from enjoying the capabilities I have left.
It's totally different. The FKK is filtering the guys based on what money they can present up front, and it is filtering the girls based on their beauty and service. That is the way it should be. Only a feminist would say that guys and girls should be treated the same in every way. I even have a name for it: "the symmetrical fallacy".I've never been asked to present my wallet for inspection prior to being granted entry. I'm asked for 20 - 100 at the door and then I'm granted access. I have been refused entry from GT twice and was told I couldn't enter YY because my small pack was too large. One of the times GT was refusing me one of the WGs who knows me approached and talked with reception who then allowed me entry. Amazingly, all of the refusals for entry came after 8 years of visiting Sauna clubs and GT was the first club I visited back in 2008. It was strange to me to be refused because I know half of reception from when they worked the floor and I was refused after the door policy had started relaxing a bit.
Member #4581
06-30-18, 19:19
It's totally different. The FKK is filtering the guys based on what money they can present up front, and it is filtering the girls based on their beauty and service. That is the way it should be. Only a feminist would say that guys and girls should be treated the same in every way. I even have a name for it: "the symmetrical fallacy".Sorry Poly. The invocation of a straw man feminist is the lamest resort on ISG when all else fails and have no logical reply.
If you think what you propose is a good business model, and that it will make money, you should try.
If you think there are several thousands of attractive girls waiting to work in FKK and provide great service at current prices upon removal of entry fee, you should provide evidence.
If you think "build it and they will come" works, you should build.
Good Day.
Can someone advise if there are any clubs in the Essen district?
Thanks, Cap.
Are you sure that your reduction in productivity is due to age, health and or reduced libido? My understanding is you have only been FKKing about five years. Perhaps your libido has only dropped ten percent. But the "novelty factor" is what is missing now. Some fly-in guys get addicted immediately. Maybe ten trips in a 20 month period. When compared against their first two trips, their production has decreased precipitiously as well, even though they have not aged much. When I was 16, I could masturbate six times a day and climax each time. I had GFs and the first ten times we had sex, I climaxed with relative ease (15-20 minutes). Then the novelty factor went away, and I started having difficulty (60 minutes no climax). But I was still able to masturbate six times a day at home by myself and climax each time.Are you having this with all girls? To me, it depends on chemistry how long she will keep me erect at full potential. And I don't realise the sexual chemistry (it is also genetic) until after several times of having had sex. So that is why an FKK is a goldmine. I can try 100 girls, and maybe I find that unstoppable chemistry with 5 or just 2 of them.
Good Day.
Can someone advise if there are any clubs in the Essen district?
Thanks, Cap.FKK? The nearest is Acapulco in Velbert.
Brothel? Kuschelluder nearer to the city centre.
FKK? The nearest is Acapulco in Velbert.
Brothel? Kuschelluder nearer to the city centre.Penelope is in Essen itself, not sure if I'd recommend it though.
While I always get rock hard watching things like gangbang porn.
But still I have the feeling I could do much more and get more out of it if I could overcome my inhibitions.
On the other hand, though, I've experienced issues like this many times in "normal" one on one paid sex. Nothing you wrote, I found weird. If you can still get rock hard watching porn without medication, then your equipment is still functioning, even at age 64. I suspect you have the "feeling you could do much more", because you are using your online porn habit as the benchmark, and you know can orgasm significantly more frequently by your hand then inside of a vagina. Quit porn. Quit masturbating. Your one "special female friend" will be the key to your rehabilitation. You have to just tell your self, "either she gets me off, or I don't get off". Easier said than done. Hopefully you can visit her at least once a week and have discipline not to relapse. Good luck.
This website has resources:
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/any-suggestions-for-healing-delayed-ejaculation
Healthy, young men in their 20's reporting erectile dysfunction and low levels of libido. Losing their erection after 2-3 minutes of vaginal penetration. Viagra and Cialis would mask this problem of course. But that just means fucking for hours without climax for them. These men have more extreme cases than what I hear described amongst fly-in mongers. Some of these 20 year olds have never been able to cum (handjob, blowjob, vaginal penetration). They can only come using their own hand, so they can cum "for their GF" but not "from the touch of their GF". Many try to "imagine their favorite porn scene when fucking their GF" and still no climax. I believe the severity of their cases is is due to the fact that streaming porn has been prevalent since before they hit adolescence, whereas majority of us mongers were 25,35, or 45 back in 2006 when free streaming porn became prevalent.
Kicking the porn habit would save some time perhaps. Think about the time you spend each day. Searching for videos. Clicking and previewing multiple videos. Does she have the right face? Right body? Right angle? Is it hardcore or fetish enough? Have I already seen this?
Many fly-in mongers are doing trips every 90 days or more frequently. So stop watching porn for 90 days. Leave the house. What have you got to lose?
I'll be in Frankfurt for some days in July and I was wondering if you can suggest some club (I will already be going to the top clubs like Oase,Sharks,World) in the Hessen area where CIM is not extra, not necessarily a pauschalclub type (I only know treff188 around Frankfurt and from what I've read it's pretty terrible) but also something like Dietzenbach. Thank you very much.
Member #4581
07-01-18, 15:24
Porn is an addiction. If you were a hardcore addict and were able to stop cold and kick your habit, you are a better man than I.
A few years ago, I received a job offer that paid nearly 40% higher comp. W / better tax too. Happened to be in a country that is a bit totalitarian and where porn watching is illegal, and even if caught using vPN etc penalty could be severe and not merely monetary. Passed on the offer. Not just due to porn paucity but can't deny that porn played a factor.
Porn is an addiction. If you were a hardcore addict and were able to stop cold and kick your habit, you are a better man than I.
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/any-...ed-ejaculation
Lots of links on that site. Guys probably way more addicted to you. Guys who were 12 yo back in 2006. They've never known anything but free streaming porn. Guys who have never been to cum in the presence of a female. But able to easily cum to online porn six times a day. Guys who need to see pixels and sounds to get erections, maintain erections, and climax. With real women, they lose their erection. And with Viagra they just end up fucking these real women forever without climaxing. These young men have way more testosterone and are probably way more hornier than you. And they stopped watching porn!
For years, I spent at least an hour a day per sitting surfing porn. Constantly searching for the right content. It had to be "perfect" and preferably new. I tried to quit multiple times but had relapses. But after I cleared the 90 day milestone that first time, I never looked back. Now maybe once a month, I will watch some porn and squeeze one out.
Find a reason to be outside. Find a reason to not be alone. Take sleeping pills so you fall asleep before you feel the urge to pull out your laptop. Maybe find a sugar baby that you can see once a week to practice with live vagina, and use that as the only outlet to extract sperm from your body.
Long-term for proper prostrate health, I believe you are supposed to clear the pipes at least once every 3-4 days. But as many on the forums and websites attest to, if one wants to reboot, go 90 days without porn. And eliminate (or reduce) masturbation for the entire period.
Perhaps the best system is a mix of clubs, some with an entry fee for the girls, some with none. The "free" ones can act as feeder clubs for the more established ones. A guy can choose what club he goes to based on whether he prefers fresh girls with an element of risk, or seasoned pros with established reputations.
Especially when there is a new club (not that I am expecting any new clubs in Germany) that is having trouble getting girls, it should try this experiment of free entry for girls. Inshallah this will attract many semi-pros and locals. If the experiment fails it fails, but it should do so for market reasons, not because of pressure from a cartel or from the State.Ocean's offered free entry to WGs when it opened back in 2014. The promotion was supposed to be first month only. But ultimately, I believe they extended it to 2-3 month. All they got were WGs recycled from other NRW club. One Palace WG. And one Oase WG. No semi-pros or locals that I ever saw.
The clubs probably charge the WGs because the free market allows them too. If a WG chose not to pay the club entry, she'd have to rent out a room in the RLD. And the nightly rent on that room would generally exceed the entry she'd pay at an FKK.
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/any-...ed-ejaculation
For years, I spent at least an hour a day per sitting surfing porn. Constantly searching for the right content. It had to be "perfect" and preferably new. I tried to quit multiple times but had relapses. But after I cleared the 90 day milestone that first time, I never looked back. Now maybe once a month, I will watch some porn and squeeze one out.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply, and it was also interesting to read the further discussion. Of course I had seen previous comments from you on this topic but I guess I never read one that made the connection with your own problems. You obviously like psychology and make interesting comments on lots of subjects! Not all of which I agree with, at least on first glance, but usually thought provoking.
I've already practiced one side of your solution, with my special friend. When I do get to see her, it's usually on a Tuesday afternoon, one of her days off a full time job. Usually I'd be exercising or doing errands in the morning, so no porn involved. And she always gets me off, she is like my personal fountain of youth. I'm not sure why she likes me so much (I'm 64 and she is 32) but I know part of the reason is that I don't have any weird fetishes but mostly just like to fuck. And she loves to be fucked. She is a true nymphomaniac trying (and mostly failing) to go straight these days, but that's another story fascinating as it is.
One problem is, I've gotten in the habit of revving up to porn before I head to bed for sex with my wife. Since I'm usually tired by the time she decides to stop reading her silly novels (which, I admit, probably is the female equivalent) it's hard to get fired up again if I'm not primed. By coincidence, a couple weeks ago I had tried what you suggest. Hadn't had sex in 5 days so thought I'd just jump in bed and do it. And couldn't keep it going. So I could say the porn helps, but as you say, the long term effect may be deleterious.
By the way, that was another interesting part of the hobby / FKK experience for me, after I stepped out and started doing all this crazy stuff, my sex life at home got a lot better! Stopped trying to get her to try strange things and instead would just do what I know she likes. And guess what, she started to want to do it all the time. Go figure. Since I had an outlet, worked great for me both ways. But now, as I said, the physical part of it is that my stamina is decreasing, but I'd like to keep having that great sex at home with my 62 yo wife. It's just as satisfying in its own way (please, no comment needed from Mr Ho!
Overall, I see the wisdom of quitting porn cold turkey, but I might try to dial it down first to see if that helps. Maybe I'm not hopelessly addicted to porn but have just let it go out of control. Actually, that fits my personality. For example, I used to occasionally drink too much on the weekends but as I got older it was harder to deal with the effects. Since I love food / wine (or beer in some cases) pairings, I changed my habit to 2 glasses of wine at dinner, or 1 beer if that matches the food better. Two glasses of wine a day, part of a healthy diet.
So at my age, I really want to keep having sex every two or three days. Just another key to a healthy lifestyle.
I'll probably post again after a while to report what might be helping.
Member #4581
07-01-18, 20:04
Ocean's offered free entry to WGs when it opened back in 2014. The promotion was supposed to be first month only. But ultimately, I believe they extended it to 2-3 month. All they got were WGs recycled from other NRW club. One Palace WG. And one Oase WG. No semi-pros or locals that I ever saw.
The clubs probably charge the WGs because the free market allows them too. If a WG chose not to pay the club entry, she'd have to rent out a room in the RLD. And the nightly rent on that room would generally exceed the entry she'd pay at an FKK.A newly started club could give free entry for a short amount of time if they didn't secure their supply routes. It is basically poaching from the other clubs. A few girls might try out this new free scheme because it ostensibly saves a little cash, but if the business in the new club is weak, they quickly find out that they are better off paying the entry fee and making something more in the older, established club.
If the business in the new club grows and normalizes at a level similar to the established clubs, there is no reason for that club to give free entry to the girls. Men are already coming because the club is good now, and girls will come because there is business to be done.
If you do the math, a large club with 100 girls per day (that includes day and night shift girls) is gaining rev of ten grand per day, assuming 100 average ticket, and works to 3. 65 M per year. If they give free admission to the girls, they are immediately in the hole by that much amount and their costs are the same as before and they need to do that much more business from men just to breakeven with prior situation. I don't know how profitablethese clubs are, but 3. 65 M a year (or even 3 mil a year if you give it a shave) is a substantial hole to climb out of.
But the real question is, if every single club did this and not just one club, where do the additional supply lines come from? If one club Oceans gave free entry, they got some recycled girls from other clubs. If all the clubs did this, will the supply increase ten fold, or even double? Totally unlikely. That implies that there are thousands of girls sitting in Romania, all ready to go, but somehow the math didn't work out for them because of the entry fee previously and now it does. That makes zero sense. The decision to prostitute or not is a emotional and instinctive decision for most and no one has any clue how much business she can have before she ever set foot in the club, so she could not do this math to any such precision prior to coming to the club.
But the real question is, if every single club did this and not just one club, where do the additional supply lines come from? If one club Oceans gave free entry, they got some recycled girls from other clubs. If all the clubs did this, will the supply increase ten fold, or even double? Totally unlikely. That implies that there are thousands of girls sitting in Romania, all ready to go, but somehow the math didn't work out for them because of the entry fee previously and now it does. That makes zero sense. The decision to prostitute or not is a emotional and instinctive decision for most and no one has any clue how much business she can have before she ever set foot in the club, so she could not do this math to any such precision prior to coming to the club.You hit the issue perfectly. Another way of looking at this is the amount of dollars we are willing to spend is fixed. Having many more girls or more attractive girls will not change what we spend after we hit a certain limit. FKKs lowered the costs for both the girls and the guys. Hunting around the RLDs is not fun. And it can be dangerous for both the girls and the guys. What the club presents to the girls is security and a reliable group of spending men. What it provides the guys is a comfortable place to eat, drink, and fuck. They are safe, clean and reliable. A win for both. You can't get much better than that.
Vito Corleone
07-01-18, 22:17
Good Day.
Can someone advise if there are any clubs in the Essen district?
Thanks, Cap.There's many small apartments with 3-8 girls available. No entry but tough w / o a car.
Smoke Light
07-01-18, 22:34
Johnny Z,
I am too very interested in ways to keep porn addiction under control while away from FKK dreamland. My latest experience is this. One of my regulars and I developed a special videochat relationship this summer. I've been in contact with her more than a year, but normally texting and videochatting just as friends. Then one time in June shortly after my return from NRW I asked her when was the last time she had an orgasm. She said few nights ago in club. I said tell me. She said it was in public by the pool. I said who fucked you there, baby? One good looking guy from Holland. Where other guys watching you, little sl-t? Yes. And I said, I want to finish right now. She said of course, no problem. Show me you ass and pussy. And masturbate for me. Show me your tongue. And so on.
Since then I cum chatting with her whenever I can instead of porn. She is my angel while I am in sex prison USA. We normally plan our sessions when we both have time, no rush, and when my wife is at work. We both have enjoyable and fun experience. After a month I started giving my girl a reasonable down payment for online sessions ahead of time, although she never asked for it. But, in all fairness, she is a prostitute and I am her client, and she spends significant time, sometimes more than 2 hours chatting with me, letting me pop twice if I want.
This way I do get my much needed release 2-3 times a week. And I go to shower with a big smile on my face. Because I see a nice woman, I look in her lovely eyes, I see her smile. And our reunion is coming in 4 weeks.
No porn dehumanizing its own actors can replace this. Never. Anything human beats porn hands down. My two cents on the subject.
Johnny Z,
Since then I cum chatting with her whenever I can instead of porn. She is my angel while I am in sex prison USA..LOL Hahaha, sex prison USA LOL. It cannot be that bad for mongering there LOL.
Of course, comparison to Germany it is not good, but it is bad unfair comparison.
Polyamorist
07-02-18, 05:25
The reason why clubs charge entry to girls and guys is to make money. It's as simple as that. They are not non profit organizations. It's redlight environment. Profit is priority. Nothing else.Salaam Mr Nation.
What is more important than profit? How about survival? I think there are wider considerations than profit if the FKK system is not to dig its own grave in a race to the bottom. The parts of the machine need to be well oiled and freely moving.
One goal that is sometimes brought up is making the girls independent. If the girls were paid a salary by the FKKs, that would violate that, because they would clearly be "on the same side". But what if the flow of money is going the other way, from the girls to the FKK? Then they are also financial allies: they will support each other. This is different than the relationship between the FKKs and the customers, because the girls are paying continuously, while the customers pay only occasionally and can visit a different FKK on every day of the week.
Personally I am not so much concerned about making the existing girls independent as I am about attracting independent-minded girls. Those of us who have noticed a certain lack of diversity in recent lineups see a need to open up the system before it dies of sclerosis.
Rogue Nation
07-02-18, 06:36
Salaam Mr Nation.
What is more important than profit? How about survival? I think there are wider considerations than profit if the FKK system is not to dig its own grave in a race to the bottom. And the girls not paying entry would stop that process? Doubt that.
One goal that is sometimes brought up is making the girls independent. If the girls were paid a salary by the FKKs,That is not a goal, it is a legal requirement.
Personally I am not so much concerned about making the existing girls independent as I am about attracting independent-minded girls. Those of us who have noticed a certain lack of diversity in recent lineups see a need to open up the system before it dies of sclerosis.What should that be? Opening up the system? For who? What effect would that have? What lack of diversity are you talking about? Nationality? Romania / Bulgaria are the poorest countries in the EU. As long as that is the case they will be the major source for girls in the EU.
CorporateMalaya
07-02-18, 16:51
Good Day All.
I am an old school ISG'er coming out of retirement. Making my first trip to FKK land in July. Just wanted to know if any of the FKK clubs have racist policies wrt entrance. I am Indian National and have wandered many holes in SE Asia and Dubai.
Any advice would be welcome. I don't want to return home with pics of cathedrals.
Thanks All.
Good Day All.
I am an old school ISG'er coming out of retirement. Making my first trip to FKK land in July. Just wanted to know if any of the FKK clubs have racist policies wrt entrance. I am Indian National and have wandered many holes in SE Asia and Dubai.
Any advice would be welcome. I don't want to return home with pics of cathedrals.
Thanks All.I have been to clubs all over Germany, and the only place where I have experienced anything of the sort was at Golden Time, which has a longstanding "rep" for this kind of thing. Now, I arrived alone and was admitted no problems. But, some of the girls clearly had racist attitudes. Sure, this could happen anyplace where people go, but the fact of the matter is that it only happened to me at Golden Time, and no place else. Now clearly, not every girl in there was like that when I was there, but it only takes a few to spoil the mood. I have never returned. And that's too bad too because one of my favorites of all time who I discovered at Artemis, I found out she used to work at Golden Time. Oh well, I found her anyway!
Member #4581
07-02-18, 20:39
What should that be? Opening up the system? For who? What effect would that have? What lack of diversity are you talking about? Nationality? Romania / Bulgaria are the poorest countries in the EU. As long as that is the case they will be the major source for girls in the EU.There is sufficient diversity, at least as much as can be supported by current mix of clientele. Speaking ethnically here.
Nationality is not even a factor when it comes to diversity. In my view.
If it is not Romania and Bulgaria, it will be someone else that is poor. There will always be poorer nations relative to the richer nations. And poor girls within even the rich nations. Just need the political and legal environment to be supportive. Which it is in DE, for now.
I have been to clubs all over Germany, and the only place where I have experienced anything of the sort was at Golden Time, which has a longstanding "rep" for this kind of thing. Now, I arrived alone and was admitted no problems. But, some of the girls clearly had racist attitudes. Sure, this could happen anyplace where people go, but the fact of the matter is that it only happened to me at Golden Time, and no place else. Now clearly, not every girl in there was like that when I was there, but it only takes a few to spoil the mood. I have never returned. And that's too bad too because one of my favorites of all time who I discovered at Artemis, I found out she used to work at Golden Time. Oh well, I found her anyway!I did not face racism at GT but I heard about it.
What I do face at GT is that there are some girls who almost only go with regulars or you going to have to talk them in that you are not 50 euro 30 min kinda client. This happen with very few girls at GT but very few.
I partly understand that 50 euro 30 min can lose big clients for girls, but it is quite annoying thing to negotiate and also at GT top girls are really booked for most of the day and one have to catch them at right timing or else.
Porn is an addiction. If you were a hardcore addict and were able to stop cold and kick your habit, you are a better man than I.
A few years ago, I received a job offer that paid nearly 40% higher comp. W / better tax too. Happened to be in a country that is a bit totalitarian and where porn watching is illegal, and even if caught using vPN etc penalty could be severe and not merely monetary. Passed on the offer. Not just due to porn paucity but can't deny that porn played a factor.It is funny how in some nations, porn is restricted and cannot watch it online as government block porn, but oddly some of those nations has biggest prostitution industries in the world LOL.
Indeed, there are bigger concerns than ethnicity. Something I feel is no big issue at all. Only a few clubs it can pose a problem. But that is not due to optics, but to do with cartels and upsell strategies. But I will just avoid those clubs. Still unsure about when to retry Oase from the current suspension I gave the club.
But entry fees is a problem as it chips away from the total pool of money floating around. The pie is static, and the more money floating towards the girls and not the clubs, the more girls, the more punters will come.
Indeed, there are bigger concerns than ethnicity. Something I feel is no big issue at all. Only a few clubs it can pose a problem. But that is not due to optics, but to do with cartels and upsell strategies. But I will just avoid those clubs. Still unsure about when to retry Oase from the current suspension I gave the club.
But entry fees is a problem as it chips away from the total pool of money floating around. The pie is static, and the more money floating towards the girls and not the clubs, the more girls, the more punters will come.
But a certain amount on entry is fair given the desire to have the amenities available at the clubs. Many of us are in this for the FKK experience. And wouldn't dream about travelling for a brothel only.
Golden Time is not the only club which has its door policy, Luder Lounge has the same door policy as Golden Time's. LR has its door policy, but not strictly enforced.
Polyamorist
07-04-18, 12:02
Al-salaam Pistons, I think so highly of you, you are almost like half an Arab to me!
But entry fees is a problem as it chips away from the total pool of money floating around. The pie is static, and the more money floating towards the girls and not the clubs, the more girls, the more punters will come.Exactly. Exactly. The girls are an asset to the clubs, not a cost. If there are no girls, there is no business and the clubs earn nothing.
But a certain amount on entry is fair given the desire to have the amenities available at the clubs.A day pass to a non-sexual sauna is less than 20 E in Europe. So this is the max the girls should pay. I would stick with 10 E because the girls don't use the sauna facilities so much. Sure, the FKK does more in terms of managing the girls, but this is a service to the polar bears so it is fair that we should pay it with our entry fees.
A while back guys here were saying that German girls and other Western Europeans didn't find it worthwhile to come to FKKs because of inflation. They were saying that the half-hour rate should be raised from 50 to 60 E. Well, I don't know if that's true, but if entry fees for girls were abolished or reduced to the minimum, then this would cover that. And any girl could show up and see if she could be a star. A new girl gets a lot of attention. It would all be very encouraging.
To take it even further -- and this is where some members will really be foaming at the mouth -- a case can be made that girls shouldn't be paying the clubs, it should be the other way round. The FKKs should pay a fee to a girl on any day she chooses to show up, on the basis that she adds lustre to the club in the same way that a porn star or band will be paid to appear. Again, this does not imply an employer-employee relationship -- especially if we get rid of the five / six days a week requirement, and a girl can just show up on what days she chooses.
I wouldn't be surprised if some clubs have already figured out all this, but they are too exclusive to advertise to the likes of us.
Well I was thinking maximum entry fees for the guys. Girls should only pay for the food 10 e. If even that. Due to reasons you mention.
One or two well known clubs have realised this to some extent. Oceans as an example in the beginning for one. And perhaps they still have some incentives as it is perhaps the club who gets the most new girls trying out the club.
Kosher Kowboy
07-04-18, 16:26
A day pass to a non-sexual sauna is less than 20 E in Europe. Polyamorist thanks for bringing this up. On my longer trips I have booked I am looking to take some days off even a day trip and specifically maybe have a few days where I can ' spa by day and Gypsy by night' since I could enjoy spa facilities and eat well than enjoy red couches at night or if in another area maybe find a Club there.
Do you or anyone else have any suggestions or links for any day spas, maybe with sauna / steam / massage / indoor warm pools maybe even hot springs.
Here is the link to a place I always go after skiing or rafting in Colorado on the way back to Denver. This is just one of many in the state. They have underground caves with natural hot springs water at 107,110 and 115 degrees. Normal standard hot tub temps are in the 100-103 range in comparison. Denver is 6,000 feet elevation and the hot springs as you head west on I-70 or north up to Winter Park or Steamboat only get higher and rapidly. I am guessing if Germany has anything like this it might be in the Alps.
http://www.indianhotsprings.com/
One other off the wall question, are there any German Air B & B type sites, not finding what I want on ours; than again I don't know the surrounding areas well either but want to be no more than 3-4 stops from the Frankfurt Train Station
Thanks.
Porn is an addiction. If you were a hardcore addict and were able to stop cold and kick your habit, you are a better man than I.
A few years ago, I received a job offer that paid nearly 40% higher comp. W / better tax too. Happened to be in a country that is a bit totalitarian and where porn watching is illegal, and even if caught using vPN etc penalty could be severe and not merely monetary. Passed on the offer. Not just due to porn paucity but can't deny that porn played a factor.It's an addiction on par with everything else out there. It's sinister in a way since you need decent amount of self awareness to notice all of it's effects.
Wouldn't that job be a perfect opportunity to actually kick the habit? I would've taken that job but maybe, just maybe I don't understand the level of your addiction.
I want to mention something that I think it's interesting. Last time when I came back from FKK trip, I sat back at my porn station and thought to myself how the fuck can I be addicted to this type of thing. I thought of all the american men who are addicted to this crap and completely unaware that they can get a real thing just a flight away. And guess what. Since I don't have full time girlfriend these days, I relapsed in about a week.
Anyway, I want to mention few things about this forum. I started reading it occasionally recently and I am quite impressed by number of you. Number of you are spectacular writers and number of you have some serious depth to your thoughts. Carry on.
https://www.taunus-therme.de/en/
Is a popular place but is a train trip out of Frankfurt.
As for Airbnb type. Local tourist info sites have lists of "fewo" - ferienwohnung. Which in practice mean short term let's exempt from the laws for rented accommodation. The problem is that it is a lot of effort contacting each property individually and often it needs German language skills. In the past I have had some success.
Polyamorist
07-04-18, 22:19
https://www.taunus-therme.de/en/
Is a popular place but is a train trip out of Frankfurt.
As for Airbnb type. Local tourist info sites have lists of "fewo" - ferienwohnung. Which in practice mean short term let's exempt from the laws for rented accommodation. The problem is that it is a lot of effort contacting each property individually and often it needs German language skills. In the past I have had some success.So have I. Make sure you have a translate plugin for your browser, find the municipal website for a town near Frankfurt, and look for a list of fewo. Use Google Translate for enquiries. It's high season now, so maybe that's why Airbnb isn't working for you Sayyid Kowboy. But holiday apartments seem to be a booming business in Germany.
Suggested touristic motto for Hessen: "We don't suck like we used to, even if you wish we did".
Member #4581
07-04-18, 23:26
It's an addiction on par with everything else out there. It's sinister in a way since you need decent amount of self awareness to notice all of it's effects.
Wouldn't that job be a perfect opportunity to actually kick the habit? I would've taken that job but maybe, just maybe I don't understand the level of your addiction.
I want to mention something that I think it's interesting. Last time when I came back from FKK trip, I sat back at my porn station and thought to myself how the fuck can I be addicted to this type of thing. I thought of all the american men who are addicted to this crap and completely unaware that they can get a real thing just a flight away. And guess what. Since I don't have full time girlfriend these days, I relapsed in about a week.
Anyway, I want to mention few things about this forum. I started reading it occasionally recently and I am quite impressed by number of you. Number of you are spectacular writers and number of you have some serious depth to your thoughts. Carry on.Addiction is a disease, on par with many other diseases. Yet, even in the US, addiction is just now getting the proper attention it warrants. Addiction involves the brain and body, and can be quite destructive and often there is huge societal pressure to hide it, deny it, and not seek help. Obviously, there is a lot of adverse and negative judgement from others. Just in the last decade or two, there is increasing awareness of deleterious impact of addiction from substance abuse. Yet, even medical professionals often look down on addicts and believe will power ought to be enough to kick the habit, eventhough studies are showing will power is alone not enough. This is in the US -- I think general societies are far more judgmental outside the US.
The above are for active substance uses -- alcohol, drugs, pain killers etc. Will porn addiction be recognized as a disease on par with substance abuse and treated as such? Perhaps in the future -- McA's links show younger men growing up in the age of streaming porn are at bigger risk of this addiction than their older cohorts. But as of now, pron addicts have no such help, except the advice "kick your habit". That used to be the same advice when it came to tobacco, drugs, alcohol, etc but now it is recognized that will power is not sufficient and clinical help is needed.
For the most part, porn addicts are treated as borderline perverts by the broader society. If you are sitting at a corporate dinner meeting with a bunch of fellow suits, you might get away if you admit to alcohol or tobacco addiction, perhaps even get some sympathy. Tell them you have a porn addiction and see how much sympathy you will get! You are lucky to keep your job, I would imagine. At least the society is slightly less uptight when it comes to porn now. 30 years ago, I don't think many people admitted to watching porn ever, but mere watching is not considered taboo now but addiction is still looked down upon.
Lets face it - it is easy to act macho and put down others about their addiction. If you are addicted to your tobacco you might think that is hard to quit cold turkey but still be judgmental about a porn addict. And a teetotaler porn addict would recognize it is hard to quit watching porn in toto but think that the alcohol addict is a weak minded person. We are all hard wired to have high opinion of self and look down on the weaknesses and negatives of others.
Polyamorist thanks for bringing this up. On my longer trips I have booked I am looking to take some days off even a day trip and specifically maybe have a few days where I can ' spa by day and Gypsy by night' since I could enjoy spa facilities and eat well than enjoy red couches at night or if in another area maybe find a Club there.
Do you or anyone else have any suggestions or links for any day spas, maybe with sauna / steam / massage / indoor warm pools maybe even hot springs.
Here is the link to a place I always go after skiing or rafting in Colorado on the way back to Denver. This is just one of many in the state. They have underground caves with natural hot springs water at 107,110 and 115 degrees. Normal standard hot tub temps are in the 100-103 range in comparison. Denver is 6,000 feet elevation and the hot springs as you head west on I-70 or north up to Winter Park or Steamboat only get higher and rapidly. I am guessing if Germany has anything like this it might be in the Alps.From Frankfurt, you can take a train to Wiesbaden. There is a spa there. Quite inexpensive. If you want a massage, you will have to reserve days in advance.
Money is a medium of exchange that has a value.
Money first came to be for this very purpose.
Our human basic needs are twofolded: food and sex.
In a hunter / gatherer society (even before modern humans), where men were physically stronger than women and more fit to do the hunting, the food was the medium of exchange for the men (the hunters). And in return, the women had to hold back on sex in order to have their own medium of exchange.
Thus the female body changed through millennia and several previous pre-modern-human species into only ovulating and being ready for birth and procreation once per year (9 months pregnancy, and 3 months or so to recuperate afterwards) so that sex would be even more of a medium of limited supply.
The male hunters thus used food as the medium of exchange to give the females and in return get sex.
The females in return used sex as the medium of exchange to give the male hunters and in return get food.
The reason they needed sex was procreation, and to pass their genes on to the next generation.
The way a tribal hunter / gatherer society works is that of cheiftains or leaders of the pack, with lesser younger beta-males below.
A male would always want a female to procreate with, so that his offspring would be as fit and healthy as possible.
A female would allways want her offspring to have the best genes, so in a sterile society, she would pick a young fit and strong male in his best age as long as she had ample options to choose from. And where her needs of survival (enough food / resources for her and the offspring) was met.
The older males saw this, and constructed a chieftain system, where they were the ones controlling the use of the mediums of exchange (food): the money of the time.
In time, food was updated into coins or other tradable items as more easily tradable mediums of exchange.
Result: Money was thus created so that older men could have sex with girl.
Fun fact: The eye on the top of the pyramid on the US one dollar bill is the cockeye of the cheiftain, looking down on his followers: His concubines and beta-males.
Also known as the Eye of Providence, The all-seeing Eye, or the Eye of God.
In reality these are only esoteric descriptions of the cockeye!
The cockeye is where the male cum ejects from. Where the seeds of a new generation comes from. Where the genes are released from.
The cockeye is therefore the bringer of new life: The God!
The bible tells the story of humans being created in the image of God. From his cock. Or from the cock of the chieftain: (Enki).
It is allseeing, as all human life ones came from the cockeye.
We are living in a simulation:
The chances of us living in the original universe aand not in a simulation is 1:999 999 999 999 etc.
As the bible says, gods, or the watchers (of the simulation), the elohim came down to the earth to have sex with the children of men (female NPC's).
We are thus living in a sex simulation for the watchers, or the 'gods'.
Other gods did not want the simulation to mainly be a sex simulation, so they trapped the elohim from leaving the earth, and so their powers of control faded.
But the elohim had higher knowledge, and created the moneytary system so that they could keep having sex and keep using the simulation as a sex simulator.
Feel like you are mindfucked enough? Well, a mindfucker is a giver of knowledge. A giver of strips of knowledge in ways of DNA, straight into the skull: like a skullfuck. And it is glorious. O we all need to be uncapped if we want to seek the real knowledge of this world. And off with the tin foil hats, or condoms strapped to your heads. Unless you believe me ofcourse!
Smoke Light
07-05-18, 11:59
The above are for active substance uses -- alcohol, drugs, pain killers etc. Will porn addiction be recognized as a disease on par with substance abuse and treated as such? Perhaps in the future -- McA's links show younger men growing up in the age of streaming porn are at bigger risk of this addiction than their older cohorts. But as of now, pron addicts have no such help, except the advice "kick your habit". That used to be the same advice when it came to tobacco, drugs, alcohol, etc but now it is recognized that will power is not sufficient and clinical help is needed.Another concern is the cost of the treatment. For a US citizen fighting porn addiction and choosing face-to-face counseling the cost can be $150 to $250 for a single session, generally not covered by health insurance, Medicare or Medicaid.
Coverage and benefits for traditional therapy and counseling services change from one health insurance company to another and from plan to plan. With many health insurance plans, coverage can be partial or very limited. Even if your plan covers all your costs, the required co-pay is high. In many cases, before you can get reimbursed by your insurance company, your therapist would have to diagnose you with a mental disorder or issue. This diagnosis would be sent to the insurance company and recorded in your medical file. In some cases the therapist would also have to provide additional clinical information to the insurance company, such as treatment plans, summaries or copies of the entire record.
The downside to claiming porn addiction therapy costs using you health Insurance? Fuck yes! Read this: Health insurance companies often need to have a diagnosis before they will pay your claims. This gives them the opportunity to ask your health provider any questions about your health and well-being. Anything that they learn goes into your health file, and you have little or no control over who can access it from there. The reasons that led you to counseling may not be something that you want stored in your personal health file. You may not want to risk letting information out that could cause new problems in your employment or other personal matters. Enjoy the ride!
All of the above leads me to believe my best bet fighting porn addiction is my next trip to Germany LOL! $250 covers a comfortable hotel bed, FKK entry including food / saunas / wellness / jacuzzi / swimming pool, and one or two basic suck and fuck sessions with a damn good looking WG therapist who would otherwise charge a fortune $$$ as an escort in the US. "Kick your habit AND buy your ticket to Frankfurt" LOL.
Sources:
https://www.betterhelp.com/faq/
https://www.betterhelp.com/advice/therapy/is-therapy-covered-by-insurance-or-do-i-have-to-pay/
OK that was post 2/2, and makes no sense as long as post 1/2 is not passing through the gates.
Polyamorist
07-05-18, 17:56
The chances of us living in the original universe and not in a simulation is 1:999 999 999 999 etc.
As the bible says, gods, or the watchers (of the simulation), the elohim came down to the earth to have sex with the children of men (female NPC's).Salaam Sayyid Pistons. As a Polytheist, I have long believed the universe was designed by a committee. There are just too many fucked up things about it.
It makes sense that the initial team would set up the world as a combination FKK / human wildlife reserve. They themselves all look the same, and boring, kind of like the Swiss. But they could experiment with the DNA down here and create many races and different varieties of beauty. So they will visit and have their way with the hottest NPCs.
Maintaining an FKK as big as Planet Earth is expensive. To fund it there would need to be tens of thousands of customers every day. Mistakes will be made. If they forget to wipe their minds of the girls afterwards, these unwitting participants will report weird dreams and tales of alien abduction. Once in a blue moon the FKK visitor is a real a**hole and doesn't bother to wear the intradimensional equivalent of a condom. Then there is a "virgin birth": a remarkable specimen is produced right here on Earth and there is hell to pay in terms of torture and resurrection and so on.
Other gods did not want the simulation to mainly be a sex simulation, so they trapped the elohim from leaving the earth, and so their powers of control faded.I've never been in a corporate department without these kinds of conflicts. What they are trying to create is ruined by a tug of war over the project by different factions.
Another concern is the cost of the treatment. For a US citizen fighting porn addiction and choosing face-to-face counseling the cost can be $150 to $250 for a single session, generally not covered by health insurance, Medicare or Medicaid.For that, with such a cost you pay in USA for such treatment, I recommend best treatment in Germany on that specific treatment field. It is called German FKK treatment LOL!
German FKK treatment is the best curing strategy for many mens issue or problem or addiction by making your wildest dirty dream come true LOL.
It is about 50 USD dollar for 30 min LOL.
What do you guys tell your friends and family when you make one of these week long trips to FKK land? It's not like Frankfurt is a go to destination. Do you just disappear and reappear or have a much better scheme up your sleeve?
TIA.
Smoke Light
07-06-18, 05:17
What do you guys tell your friends and family when you make one of these week long trips to FKK land? It's not like Frankfurt is a go to destination. Do you just disappear and reappear or have a much better scheme up your sleeve?
TIA.I agree, the legend is important. For example:
You are going to Germany on a business trip.
You have some high school / college buddy to hang out with for a week, drink german beer and watch together football games.
You are attending / presenting at a professional conference in Cologne / Dusseldorf / Frankfurt.
You are taking a class / teaching a class in your professional field.
You are a volunteer for a nonprofit organization and that's your week to participate.
You recently joined a political organization, like Democratic Socialist chapter, and they send you to Germany to learn from the experiences of a similar organization there.
You discovered some German ancestry in your family genealogy and you want to do more research in local German archives.
You had a dream since your childhood to visit Darmstadt / Kaarst / Rodenkirchen / Elsdorf / Hennef / Bruggen / Etc. To learn about German life traditions, history, and culture.
You are attending a messe (trade show) in Cologne / Dusseldorf / Frankfurt relevant to your profession or education.
You are starting a new business. You go to Germany to meet some people and gain first-hand experience in that specific field of trade.
You are visiting train museums in Darmstadt and Dusseldorf because you always had a secret passion for driving steam engines. It's a seasonal activity and now during summer it's the best time to do it.
You are doing any of the above activities in a Northeastern American city, such as Boston or New York. From there, you have booked a separate flight to Frankfurt am Main. Happy mongering, my friend.
Yours always, SL.
What do you guys tell your friends and family when you make one of these week long trips to FKK land? It's not like Frankfurt is a go to destination. Do you just disappear and reappear or have a much better scheme up your sleeve?
TIA.It is not like you need to tell anyone where you are going either. Frankfurt for one is a big transit airport, so you can just as well tell them that you went to Dubai, or Barcelona, or went to watch a football match somewhere in Europe.
What do you guys tell your friends and family when you make one of these week long trips to FKK land? It's not like Frankfurt is a go to destination. Do you just disappear and reappear or have a much better scheme up your sleeve?
TIA.I tell them I am interested in Germany history and architecture, and I upload many pictures of buildings in Germany on my instagram LOL.
When I do have time, I do go to museum, so I do take many selfies there and I stock those photos for future use LOL.
However, I rarely have time in Germany as I have to attend FKK at right time, so I usually just stick to uploading buildings in Germany on my instagram LOL.
Member #4581
07-06-18, 18:19
The US government website says "Carry identification with you at all times". Does not specify which identification is acceptable.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Germany.html
I found the following in a UK travel advisory: "There's no requirement to carry your passport with you, but the police are currently carrying out more frequent ID checks. If you're asked to show your passport and you don't have it with you, the police may escort you to wherever your passport is being kept so that you can show it to them. ".
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/germany
It is tough to find clear, definitive statements on this matter; it depends on the specific EU country traveling to, and what is your own nationality. For example, the statement in the UK travel advisory might only apply to UK citizens and not to an American. Who knows.
But more than any law, the one thing I know is *never ever argue with police*. Just stay calm, show what you have have, and explain where your passport is (if you don't have it handy). It certainly is a major hassle and potential problem to carry passport everywhere; if you are a US citizen, apply for the laminated passport card which is generally good enough in most situations. If you come from a country that issues only passports and not passport cards, you are out of luck.
Smoke Light
07-06-18, 19:17
I always have my passport with me. I carry it in the front pocket of my jeans or in my backpack. I never leave the passport in the car or a hotel. I don't care if it gets slightly bent or wears out on the edges. Less things to worry about when driving at 3 am leaving LR and police makes a routine check on your alcohol level. Sometimes I end up crossing the border into Holland as the original plans change. Also if you cross the border with a girl in the passenger seat, remind her or ask her if she has her passport on her as well. Peace of mind vs. Minor inconvenience. I choose piece of mind.
The US government website says "Carry identification with you at all times". Does not specify which identification is acceptable.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Germany.html
I found the following in a UK travel advisory: "There's no requirement to carry your passport with you, but the police are currently carrying out more frequent ID checks. If you're asked to show your passport and you don't have it with you, the police may escort you to wherever your passport is being kept so that you can show it to them. ".
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/germany
It is tough to find clear, definitive statements on this matter; it depends on the specific EU country traveling to, and what is your own nationality. For example, the statement in the UK travel advisory might only apply to UK citizens and not to an American. Who knows.
But more than any law, the one thing I know is *never ever argue with police*. Just stay calm, show what you have have, and explain where your passport is (if you don't have it handy). It certainly is a major hassle and potential problem to carry passport everywhere; if you are a US citizen, apply for the laminated passport card which is generally good enough in most situations. If you come from a country that issues only passports and not passport cards, you are out of luck.It's possible if they are asking for men's IDs it's possible they are checking to verify that they are legally in the Schingen Countries. If this was happening in the US the protesters might show up to support those being questioned.
It is not like you need to tell anyone where you are going either. Frankfurt for one is a big transit airport, so you can just as well tell them that you went to Dubai, or Barcelona, or went to watch a football match somewhere in Europe.The good thing is not many people do not know that Germany is the big capital for tuting, they think it is Netherlands.
The US government website says "Carry identification with you at all times". Does not specify which identification is acceptable.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Germany.html
I found the following in a UK travel advisory: "There's no requirement to carry your passport with you, but the police are currently carrying out more frequent ID checks. If you're asked to show your passport and you don't have it with you, the police may escort you to wherever your passport is being kept so that you can show it to them. ".
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/germany
It is tough to find clear, definitive statements on this matter; it depends on the specific EU country traveling to, and what is your own nationality. For example, the statement in the UK travel advisory might only apply to UK citizens and not to an American. Who knows.
But more than any law, the one thing I know is *never ever argue with police*. Just stay calm, show what you have have, and explain where your passport is (if you don't have it handy). It certainly is a major hassle and potential problem to carry passport everywhere; if you are a US citizen, apply for the laminated passport card which is generally good enough in most situations. If you come from a country that issues only passports and not passport cards, you are out of luck.Mass immigration from non G7 countries to G7 country messed everything up.
Europe is now like a big zoo. Go to HBF of any German cities, it is not Europe anymore, it is Africa or middle east. This is plane fact.
What do you guys tell your friends and family when you make one of these week long trips to FKK land? It's not like Frankfurt is a go to destination. Do you just disappear and reappear or have a much better scheme up your sleeve?
TIA.If you cannot make up a credible story and say it with a straight face, you have no business in this hobby. Sooner or later, you will get caught.
The good thing is not many people do not know that Germany is the big capital for tuting, they think it is Netherlands.What? Are you saying my current excuse this time about visiting the Netherlands instead of Germany is all in vain?
Smoke Light
07-07-18, 16:34
If you cannot make up a credible story and say it with a straight face, you have no business in this hobby. Sooner or later, you will get caught.Sounds a bit like a conviction LOL. But good wisdom nevertheless. If god forbid you do get caught, never admit anything. Say anything, plead insanity, but never admit anything to anybody. Fuck them, this is your life, you have every right to enjoy what you can and defend yourself in every way possible.
What? Are you saying my current excuse this time about visiting the Netherlands instead of Germany is all in vain?Well I find more people referring Amsterdam as some kind of red light district destination, but real monger knows that it is not Netherlands, but Germany that is central core of mongering in Europe.
I just say I like architectures, history and culture and upload some photos of buildings that looks good on instagram, I mean I have been going to Germany for past 10 years now almost, so people begin to ask why Germany so much what is there? LOL.
Neurosynth
07-07-18, 21:39
Money is a medium of exchange that has a value.
Money first came to be for this very purpose.
Our human basic needs are twofolded: food and sex.
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The older males saw this, and constructed a chieftain system, where they were the ones controlling the use of the mediums of exchange (food): the money of the time.
In time, food was updated into coins or other tradable items as more easily tradable mediums of exchange.
Result: Money was thus created so that older men could have sex with girl.
Fun fact: The eye on the top of the pyramid on the US one dollar bill is the cockeye of the cheiftain, looking down on his followers: His concubines and beta-males.Stand up comedy works better in a club than on paper (or a screen).
With either France or Belgium guaranteed a spot in the World Cup final, I wonder if Paradise Saarbrucken or GT would be fun places to watch the game next weekend.
With either France or Belgium guaranteed a spot in the World Cup final, I wonder if Paradise Saarbrucken or GT would be fun places to watch the game next weekend.Too bad they won't meet each other in the final, as they have clearly been the two best teams. The one who wins that semi final will probably take the final too. But I am guessing Belgium will take it unless they can't handle the speed of Mbappe. For me, the real final is therefore on Tuesday between Belgium and France. And since the French will loose (I'll give it a 67% chance), there won't be that much reason to go to a border club. Or how many Belgians are there normally in comparison?
With either France or Belgium guaranteed a spot in the World Cup final, I wonder if Paradise Saarbrucken or GT would be fun places to watch the game next weekend.I can vouch for Paradise. Tuesday would be the best day. They have a screen outside next to the grill, and another one in the cinema theater. In the cinema you can lie and watch the game among naked girls. There was no such interest for the soccer match at Sharks' less Friday. The girls ignored the game and may have resented it for keeping men busy. All the watchers were male.
France-Argentina at Paradise will be one of my best FKK memories ever. Another proof if need be that FKKs are much more than glorified knocking shops.
With either France or Belgium guaranteed a spot in the World Cup final, I wonder if Paradise Saarbrucken or GT would be fun places to watch the game next weekend.Personally, watching the *matches on the promenade in Dusseldorf is much better than in the clubs. Sure, you have to pay for the drinks and food as you go but there are so many beauties and an almost stadium like atmosphere. It's too bad the Russians are out because they brought such beautiful fans. This environment also give us a chance to prove our skills at getting sex in a non P4P environment with a real chance of entering bliss or confrontation just for talking to the wrong woman.
Personally, watching the *matches on the promenade in Dusseldorf is much better than in the clubs. Sure, you have to pay for the drinks and food as you go but there are so many beauties and an almost stadium like atmosphere. It's too bad the Russians are out because they brought such beautiful fans. This environment also give us a chance to prove our skills at getting sex in a non P4P environment with a real chance of entering bliss or confrontation just for talking to the wrong woman.Looks to be about seven places along the Rhine in Dusseldorf:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1bSLJ88p8689QqDVjBIMd21TySYYKAJj_&ll=51.22183553290441%2C6.75679389777838&z=14
Quite a decent amount of Croatian immigrants in Germany as well.
Too bad they won't meet each other in the final, as they have clearly been the two best teams. The one who wins that semi final will probably take the final too. I'm afraid not. As we say in England - "it's coming home. ". I agree Beligium have been the best team. But our name is on it this time. We'll cruise past Croatia 2-0 and pip Belgium 2-1 in the final in Moscow. And if we get there. I'll be there! Week after I'll be in Oase / Sharks / Mainhattan or World. I only have 2 days this trip. Wednesday and Thursday. Any tips on where to go on which night. No tips on the football please!
Rogue Nation
07-10-18, 13:27
1966 is long gone. Not to talk about the Wembley goal.
But there's signs pointing towards England as a World Champion. 2010 and 2014 the nation became world champion, in which Pep Guardiola previously won the championship in the league. Wouldn't bet my house on it though. I'the like to see Belgium beat England in the finals.
Member #4581
07-10-18, 19:23
France bt Croatia 2-1.
My half cent.
Rogue Nation
07-12-18, 10:33
I'm afraid not. As we say in England - "it's coming home.".It's not coming home, not coming home, football isn't coming home. Great fight by Croatia, third game won in OT. The three lions roared too early.
Sebastiane
07-14-18, 00:50
Great report Jnpr30! Makes me wish I was back in Oase and Sharks! I have added Dalina and Viocrola (to my my list of girls for my next trip. Can you describe them so its easy to identify including where they sit in Oase / Sharks.
I'm afraid not. As we say in England - "it's coming home. ". I agree Beligium have been the best team. But our name is on it this time. We'll cruise past Croatia 2-0 and pip Belgium 2-1 in the final in Moscow. And if we get there. I'll be there! Week after I'll be in Oase / Sharks / Mainhattan or World. I only have 2 days this trip. Wednesday and Thursday. Any tips on where to go on which night. No tips on the football please!Belgium have good players like De Bruyne, Hazard, Maertens, but Fellaini, Witzel and defenders are average, and I'm afraid they will never really become a real team, but only dancers playing together.
Same for England, some really good and fast players, but they have to learn to play as a team, when they made football.
If you are not Pelé or Garrincha, better to play as a team, even exceptional Cruijff or Maradona had a solid team around them, or magic Spain on 2010.
But it's only football, even some politics use it.
Is there any consensus about which FKK club has the highest percentage of German girls?
Great report Jnpr30! Makes me wish I was back in Oase and Sharks! I have added Dalina and Viocrola (to my my list of girls for my next trip. Can you describe them so its easy to identify including where they sit in Oase / Sharks.Maybe You mean Viorica? Really not selective, not the prettiest at Sharks, but nice behavior and real will to please. Can be a woman in bed.
Member #4581
07-14-18, 16:54
Great report Jnpr30! Makes me wish I was back in Oase and Sharks! I have added Dalina and Viocrola (to my my list of girls for my next trip. Can you describe them so its easy to identify including where they sit in Oase / Sharks.Thanks buddy! Viorica hangs out around the bar, closer to the old kino. However, I was in the club only 2 days with her and she might easily be in other places. Has a tatto with the name Denis on hand as I recall, and a wolves tat too if I remember. I am horrible memory for these things. Approx 170 cm tall, shortish hair, not too slim but not fat at all. Pleasant smile.
Dalina generally hung around the DJ stations in the lounge in Oase. Or sometimes on the couches in the lounge. Again, this was during the 2 days I was in Oase. Approximately 165 cm, shortish platinum blonde hair, cute face, slim without being too skinny. Small tits.
Vito Corleone
07-15-18, 00:36
Is there any consensus about which FKK club has the highest percentage of German girls?A recent visit to Mondial & Penelope had 7-8 German babes working.
Pahllus Maximus
07-15-18, 03:16
We all love the FKKs. Places like Oase and others show that you can have hundreds of men all very happy and relaxed without the slightest violence or unpleasantness in hygienic places. What a scene. Women hassling us for sex, we get to pick and choose prime young pussy without drama or complication. Why does this so enrage some people? Why do male politicians in the USA make laws against their own gender and that most male congress critters use P4P ?
Follow the money.
Feminist literature has many themes, but the ones that matter are the politics of unpaid labour making a home and sacrifices made in reproduction. According them, this arrangement creates a supply of children who sell their labor to capital, pay taxes and most importantly, consume goods and services. It also creates "stable" family units households. That create stable economies and a store of accumulated surplus wealth and means of ready transmission of inherited wealth.
Reproduction and the power of the state to tax and profit of business needing labor and markets to sell good and services go hand in hand. Pussy and fertility underwrite everything.
But the glaring omission is where men fit into this picture, and why men apparently irrationally sacrifice their lives to this form of modern day serfdom, getting for the most part loveless marriages, being sexually unsatisfied and having entitled brats and being chained to a job for 40 or more years. As opposed FKK type arrangements. Imagine every US city having multiple FKKs. Imagine the impact on the marketplace for women trying to find a man, and spending hundreds on nightclubs. Some radical changes would follow. Removing the scarcity of pussy and pricing it into a clear cost benefit analysis would seriously challenge the status quo. And reduce a lot of violence fighting over this resource.
Let's look at the rationality of men and marriage.
Part of this bad outcome for men derives from delusion, men confusing possibility of the package deal of a happy home, care, kindness, and sexual satisfaction with the probability of it not being so. Hollywood shows us the dream. The divorce statistics, alcohol abuse and widespread unhappiness shows the reality. The causes include lazy thinking, conforming to social expectations and partly the same reason as the donkey chasing the carrot dangled in front of him and illusion.
Unspoken in the feminist analysis are the role of men's innate sexual desire and the restricted supply of pussy to channel or coerce. Men's productive energy to where it is needed. This is an utterly critical point. What if men could cheaply and freely rent young, pretty pussy at will, or for that matter clone themselves genetically without a female?
Rhetorically, what would happen to the perishable value of women and their looks and fertility?
Not surprisingly, prostitution has serious grand scale economic power implications are liked to the biologically programmed male motivation to want pretty women (putting aside gay men for minute). It is not a moral issue. It is a power and economic issue and the whole way society is structured with the family unit producing at least 2. 1 births per female.
As they say, follow the money. Who benefits from this?
Banksters, people become debt slaves borrowing money for stuff they mostly don't need with money they don't have, artificially priced houses decoupled from wages and income created as virtual proxies for bank bonds.
Business selling consumer goods and services.
Business buying labor.
Governments, corrupt politicians taking tax at the end of a not too disguised gun barrel to pay for all sorts of perks to donors. In particular is tax spent on the military to ensure the raw power politics underwriting the continued pipeline of oil that is critical to western economies. Were this cost measured and charged on in fuel prices, the true price signaling of how our economy works would become clear.
A simple fact. US defense spending is about 54% of all government expenditure, about $600 billion per annum. Used in oil is about 7. 2 billion barrels of oil annually. Roughly speaking, each billion barrels of oil costs $83 billion in associated defence costs. Brent spot market oil as at July 208 is about $US70 a barrel.
The upshot is that oil is massively subsidized and paid for indirectly by hidden taxes. This allocation is but one example of what most people do not see behind the scenes. Or that keeping the USD as a reserve currency and people handing over real goods and services for a bit of paper is vital.
The supply of pussy and our hobby is considered extremely anti-social by some. What they really mean is that we spend our money the way we want on young pussy and not spend it consumer goods or pass onto brats to repeat the economic exploitation cycle.
Anti-prostitution laws are actually aimed at controlling the wallets and motivations of men. FKK's offer choices. German thinking is splendidly clear and pragmatic. It copes with FKKs without missing a beat. Romania gets valuable foreign exchange from exporting a value add renewable resource. The girls spend money locally. The sting is that it disintermediates non p4 p women and on a wider scale undermines taxable economic unit production.
But it great for men. Perhaps the answer lies in German politicians being more sensible and freedom loving generally rather than using coercion for male sexual manipulation for system wide economic gain.
Comments?
Pahllus Maximus
07-15-18, 03:29
It might be that the social contract of women selling unpaid labor in reproduction to create taxable economic units is the State will compensate them if the male breadwinner leaves by seizing the male assets and / or kids to keep the male in docile compliance. When this backup wealth transfer mechanism is factored in, men are also subsidizing the state in the creation of taxable economic units via punishment and seizure.
The claim of unpaid labor by feminists is not true. The disguised and indirect of money path is man- woman subsidized taxable economic units. Men and women are being used. But disproportionately men. Pussy. When its true cost, like defense costs of continuity of oil is taken into account, marriage pussy is very expensive relative to FKK's, and the state enforced lock in contract that even holds kids hostage from the male for deviation from the business model of the reproduction of taxable economic units. The marriage pussy rapidly declines in quality and quantity, making it a shitty deal for me.
The only way to win the game is not play or hope you meet a unicorn woman.
We all love the FKKs. Places like Oase and others show that you can have hundreds of men all very happy and relaxed without the slightest violence or unpleasantness in hygienic places. What a scene. Women hassling us for sex, we get to pick and choose prime young pussy without drama or complication. Why does this so enrage some people? Why do male politicians in the USA make laws against their own gender and that most male congress critters use P4P ?
Follow the money.
Feminist literature has many themes, but the ones that matter are the politics of unpaid labour making a home and sacrifices made in reproduction. According them, this arrangement creates a supply of children who sell their labor to capital, pay taxes and most importantly, consume goods and services. It also creates "stable" family units households. That create stable economies and a store of accumulated surplus wealth and means of ready transmission of inherited wealth.
Reproduction and the power of the state to tax and profit of business needing labor and markets to sell good and services go hand in hand. Pussy and fertility underwrite everything..If German FKK is standard set format in societies in all the nations, I would predict marriage and birthrate will decrease dramatically and divorce rate increases.
Also a lot of things men do in area of luxury life style like fine clothes, wining and dining, cars etc are in part to attract girls, it is not all to get girls, but quite big part are due to appearances, so if German FKK format are standard in all nations, I also imagine sales of many luxury goods may decrease to some extent.
The thing is that most men in the world tend to think brothels equal not safe, not clean, old ladies and not so pretty girls are waiting for them, so for most men access to sex with young beauties are very limited in supply, but those who found German FKK among other sexual paradise for men are fortunate enough to liberate the limited supply of access to sex with beautiful girls.
I mean I fly to Germany just for German FKK only, and so as other many fly in mongers from all over the world, this indicate how evolution like this German FKK system and quality is for mankind across the world. It is all menace to society in certain stand point such as population demographic I think because after I found German FKK back in 2009 or 2010, many things in life that matter lost meaning for me and I began calculation many things comparing it to German FKK cost LOL.
Easy access to sex with beautiful young girls is dream for men, but achieving it got pros and cons. For me more pros than cons as it got rid of many wonder and doubt in life as men living in 21st century.
We all love the FKKs. Places like Oase and others show that you can have hundreds of men all very happy and relaxed without the slightest violence or unpleasantness in hygienic places. What a scene. Women hassling us for sex, we get to pick and choose prime young pussy without drama or complication. Why does this so enrage some people? Why do male politicians in the USA make laws against their own gender and that most male congress critters use P4P ?
...Comments?Your analysis makes sense to me.
Is there any consensus about which FKK club has the highest percentage of German girls?Usually, GT Bruggen, even they welcome at the moment some LR Romanian girls who are not even stars at LR, but can only be happy for them to get business at GT, when LR is so empty for business.
Hessen Bub
07-15-18, 10:45
Imagine every US city having multiple FKKs. Imagine the impact on the marketplace for women trying to find a man, and spending hundreds on nightclubs. Some radical changes would follow.
Comments?Where would the girls come from? Let's say it was legal. American Girls? Illegal immigrants? The FKK system / P6 industry in Europe is based on income disparities within the EU.
Milfotronic
07-15-18, 13:03
Which FKKs have the biggest amounts of black WGs?
I'm very fond of black women, that why.
Which FKKs have the biggest amounts of black WGs?
I'm very fond of black women, that why.Usually at Babylon Elsdorf. Used to be at PHG quite early on day. 1 seen at GT.
Member #4581
07-15-18, 23:01
Where would the girls come from? Let's say it was legal. American Girls? Illegal immigrants? The FKK system / P6 industry in Europe is based on income disparities within the EU.Strip clubs are quite legal in the US. Just see the prices and the number and quality off girls. Usually lap dances go for $20 to $30 a song, which means roughly 4 min. There are some clubs with good girls, but they are NOT in hundreds of thousands, and only a small fraction of them are high quality.
For 50 E, you will never get a FKK caliber girl willing to provide equivalent services. KK posted about sugar babies who are willing to sleep for $300 an hour or more and it can still be hit and miss.
Banana Boi
07-15-18, 23:15
Is there any consensus about which FKK club has the highest percentage of German girls?My guess would have been Artemis in Berlin or one of the hamburg clubs. I don't go to any of them so only a guess.
LOL Vito.
Smoke Light
07-15-18, 23:42
Strip clubs are quite legal in the US. Just see the prices and the number and quality off girls. Usually lap dances go for $20 to $30 a song, which means roughly 4 min. There are some clubs with good girls, but they are NOT in hundreds of thousands, and only a small fraction of them are high quality.
For 50 E, you will never get a FKK caliber girl willing to provide equivalent services. KK posted about sugar babies who are willing to sleep for $300 an hour or more and it can still be hit and miss.For an American monger it is much higher than 50 E. Airline tickets, hotel accommodations, car rentals, public transportation, food, and other expenses pile up quickly. Prostitution should be legal here in the US. The prices will establish themselves naturally by the free market. Even if it's $300, it is comparable with what we pay now for illegal P6 and risk many aspects of our lives if confronted by the LE.
I support PahllusMaximus ideas and find them clear, natural, and common sense. I enjoy many of his posts expressing dignified philosophical views on sex, marriage, politics, and freedom for all men around the world. In addition to what he says, a good summary of aspects concerning decriminalization and legalisation of prostitution in the US I found in Democratic Socialists of America's statement on the signing into law of FOSTA: https://www.bostondsa.org/2018/04/30/statement-on-the-signing-into-law-of-fosta/.
Pahllus Maximus
07-16-18, 00:58
The girls would be no problem. There are The income and opportunity disparities in the USA are vast and becoming worse and more prevalent by the day. This is how Trump got elected, the promise of changing this, but that's whole new discussion. Suffice to say USA will not be a land of honey and lotus leaves anytime soon for 99% of the population. Hah hah, imagine the indignant bearded lesbians and their cats protesting along with the usual rent-a-crowd.
328 million people in the USA. 8. 76% female between 18-30, roughly 29 million prime females. 20% of households earn below $USD 25 K. On top of that, about 2% of females are already doing P4 P. No shortage of college students and liberal arts degrees in sociology and Feminist Perspectives on Cat Partners etc who who find those skills hard to monetize in a (insert buzz words here) society. Do the math. On a low night on the lowest scenario, there would over 2 m ready and available girls sufficiently attractive and willing. It would instantly become corporatized like prisons and healthcare. The only obstacle is the prohibition. With marijuana now effectively legal and a collapsing employment base of real jobs (not the phoney, manipulated statistics on minimal wage few hours a few definition) don't be surprised if this prohibition changes in the next 20 years. In rust bowl, no future states, this prospect offers something and attracts money, just as gambling did, something Nevada did in the 1950's. And it too has a narrow sanction of some laffhauses. USA is hyer sexualized anyway in advertising and the media. This simply monetizes it better and recognizes strip clubs are de facto prostitution and lust by intent and various side-deals regardless of any artificial rules that two biologically primed beings are no allowed to touch. It is like the Catholic prohibition. And we all know how that went down.
Where would the girls come from? Let's say it was legal. American Girls? Illegal immigrants? The FKK system / P6 industry in Europe is based on income disparities within the EU.I imagine South America mostly, I mean American people go across the border by car to monger for weekend in border towns, so if FKK formats are possible in USA, I imagine client will see many south American girls and also there are enough American girls with downside of advantages working in FKK if there are any such format possible in USA.
But considering how religious america as a whole is with bunch of religious organizations etc. Such format is not possible.
Even in Germany, FKK often face feminist protest like in Artemis.
Which FKKs have the biggest amounts of black WGs?
I'm very fond of black women, that why.Also GT has always few, but not many, Artemis has always got about around 5 black girls.
Kosher Kowboy
07-16-18, 01:30
The girls would be no problem. .FKK Austinbach will be the most expensive one in the country as we will have to import any girls! Not one tute here would even come close to qualifying even for those who aim low. In fact I do not even think any could be hired at Day Care by the Gypsies as sub-contractors to Vash the towels or scrub the bathrooms.
France won, but somehow several shop destroying and stealing. I saw the security camera footages. I wonder why this happened.
The girls would be no problem. There are The income and opportunity disparities in the USA are vast and becoming worse and more prevalent by the day. This is how Trump got elected, the promise of changing this, but that's whole new discussion. Suffice to say USA will not be a land of honey and lotus leaves anytime soon for 99% of the population. Hah hah, imagine the indignant bearded lesbians and their cats protesting along with the usual rent-a-crowd.
328 million people in the USA. 8. 76% female between 18-30, roughly 29 million prime females. 20% of households earn below $USD 25 K. On top of that, about 2% of females are already doing P4 P. No shortage of college students and liberal arts degrees in sociology and Feminist Perspectives on Cat Partners etc who who find those skills hard to monetize in a (insert buzz words here) society. Do the math. On a low night on the lowest scenario, there would over 2 m ready and available girls sufficiently attractive and willing. It would instantly become corporatized like prisons and healthcare. The only obstacle is the prohibition. With marijuana now effectively legal and a collapsing employment base of real jobs (not the phoney, manipulated statistics on minimal wage few hours a few definition) don't be surprised if this prohibition changes in the next 20 years. In rust bowl, no future states, this prospect offers something and attracts money, just as gambling did, something Nevada did in the 1950's. And it too has a narrow sanction of some laffhauses. USA is hyer sexualized anyway in advertising and the media. This simply monetizes it better and recognizes strip clubs are de facto prostitution and lust by intent and various side-deals regardless of any artificial rules that two biologically primed beings are no allowed to touch. It is like the Catholic prohibition. And we all know how that went down.No paid sex, but land of porn, Weinstein actresses management, and of course hidden paid sex.
Pahllus Maximus
07-16-18, 09:04
Kosher.
Are you saying north Texas has no liberal arts degree young women who find that a Ph. The in "Cat-Feminist Comparative Philosophy", Women's Studies, English Literature (or such) that only qualifies them as greeters at Walmart? The country is awash in degree mills and clueless but attractive and 18-30 women who could monetize themselves and pay their student loans with, er, hands on vocations. Peter Theil has long warned of the education bubble and why student loans are not dischargable in bankruptcy (if it were, 90% of the loans would be worthless, like the "degrees" themselves).
Lets take say Podunk, Nebraska. Or Michigan. Littered with meth and opioids, 60% unemployment. A fly in FKK generates hotels, ground transport, food, local accommodation and leverage demand for goods and services. Unlike casinos skimmed off to undeclared offshore interests, the money is spent locally and by the girls in their hometowns. I can see healthy outdoor fun, literally a roll in the hay in the Fun Barn, Sausage Sizzle (use SPF 50 when nude sunbathing guys) and many other delights. Germany manages it. There are still happy functioning families near FKK's. Surely the USA and its hordes of economically downward mobile young women would welcome the opportunity to make some money, meet guys, and have a real choice over their bodies. Let's not forget the feminist rants about women's bodies. Except for the pricing and commodification of pussy and / or reproduction that is the critical bargaining chip over men.
Kosher Kowboy
07-16-18, 14:20
Kosher.
Are you saying north Texas has no liberal arts degree young women who find that a Ph. I am going more off looks, not debating the feasibility of such clubs in the USA although I will not hold my breath, likewise for recreational in TX (maybe in 5-7 years) TX has some beautiful women but any tute here who is ' worth it' gets out of here for Denver, LA, AZ especially, ATL, Florida etc. Or they are on the ' underground travel circuit' where guys use word of mouth and private memberships to access them. Many are pimped and from Europe and getting $500-$1000 an hour. They can make double if not triple or more than here. Our ' civilians' are hot or can be but they have sugar daddies who give them money not loverboys who they give money too.
I hope your theories are correct, and it would happen here but how to get legalized or regulated prostitution thru the deep red states going to be tough! TX is rich with natural resources, same reason we aren't pressured to legalize weed is a reason we wouldn't need sex clubs to tax. All my opinions of course. I do think if it did happen much of the talent would be coming from 'rural Nebraska' or broke coal mine cities in ' Trump Country' etc. I think I read sometime in 2016 on the Spanish forums that they tried an FKK on the CDS somewhere in a very wealthy part loaded up with ex-pats, tourists etc and for whatever reason it failed. I would argue if they can't make it work in Spain it wouldn't work here.
However, I hope I am entirely wrong and that you open FKK Austinbach and make me a guest of honor, free couch time mandatory for all Travis County taxpayers!
I look at the board for Montreal often and wish that system was in place here w those hot girls they have, maybe would work better in Canada?
In meantime I will stick to commuting to Germany and hopefully toss Spain back in as I hate this conservative bucket of shit I live in!
Thanks buddy! Viorica hangs out around the bar, closer to the old kino. However, I was in the club only 2 days with her and she might easily be in other places. Has a tatto with the name Denis on hand as I recall,You sure that the was not a P? LOL.
Phallus: great summary of what some here on the forum has tried to write for awhile. But there are criticisms to your theory also: it is a bit unfair to the less beautiful women, and not to mention the older women looses out to younger more beautiful types.
This could and probably should be offset by some sort of basic income.
In your theory, sex becomes more clearly the currency that it started out as, and a new economic pyramid is made where sexual appeal is king of the world (or queen of the world).
What many of the socalled feminists forgets, or tries to avoid at all cost is that the real winners in all of this is the beautiful women. Because in a world without any norms against open prostitution and p4's, the most beautiful women would control the world. Far more so than today.
Continuing on with this train of tought, darwinism could take off far more so than it does today. In todays society, the money scheme you talk about ends up being partly anti-darwinistic as working too much ruins your physical appearance and / or immune system.
Prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada and prices are still inflated at a minimum of 300/ hour for girls who are 6's and 7's. It's $500+ for the few girls who even would be in the top 25% of FKKs. From what I hear these clubs and escort pages are not flooded with post graduate girls from universities like UNLV, UNR, or Univ of Arizona. They are mostly 25-40 year old fuglies, yet they earn 300+ per hour.
If for some miraculous reason a dogmatic change sweeps across the US legalizing prostitution, I think at best the prices would normalize at 100/ half hour. The only way it would flourish is if immigration policies relax and the clubs become worked by loads of Mexican girls.
Even if legalized, brothels would have to be far outside the cities because they would not be in practice allowed to do business in town. Most US municialities aren't even giving out permits for strip clubs anymore. Can anyone even think of a brand new strip club that openned in the city limits of their city in the past 20 years? Atlanta and NYC has had zero new strip club openings.
I can only see cities like New Orleans or Miami even standing a chance. New Orleans would be "Chocolate" brothel city given the huge population of destitute black people. Miami only because, well it's really not that American of a city.
But who knows, anything is possible if there was a full economic collapse further widening the income disparity and if the children of today's millenials become removed from the previous generations' teachings of societal norms.
Mongerer88
07-16-18, 15:39
I don't follow the logic of the arguments here, guys.
While Fosta / Sesta has caused some temporary disruptions, the USA Previously had a large, mature market. Prices were not distorted or manipulated. There were three large review boards for advertising and information sharing. You could (and can) get what you want from $200 or so an hour at the low-end to $400-$700 an hour at the higher end.
Would the existence of regulated megabrothels with an FKK concept drive prices way down in the USA? Personally, I doubt it.
First of all, there are regulated incall brothels in rural Nevada. They have the highest prices and the most clinical service in the entire USA Scene and are treated with disdain by customers, and most importantly by the sex workers who cannot have a life that includes education, family, pets, etc. While being forced to work where they live. Why the hell would a huge FKK be any different?
The economic efficiencies of FKKs feature a fixed place where a lady can have lots of sex with lots of customers in a short period of time. So the price per sex act is low due to volume, and no administrative or travel time and costs for the lady. I don't think that model would appeal to most US (or Canadian) sex workers. I don't perceive that they face a lack of demand at current prices. They are likely working as much as they want and getting a rate per sex act that greatly exceeds what a few guys here would like that rate to be. But I doubt that many North American sex workers would want to fuck twice as many guys as they do now to make 25 percent more in total receipts.
I think the typical lady that would be excited by that deal comes from Cuba, Venezuela and certain parts of Mexico. Good luck with that. Quite a bit different than taking a bus from Romania to Germany. The transportation costs are higher via plane. I guess the Mexican ladies could be bussed in if Border Patrol would be willing to say, okay, let this bus through. It is the hookers. Once again, good luck with that politically.
I don't think the per capita income or economic opportunities of rural women in North America is dismal enough for them to be excited about North American FKK opportunities. They have plenty of good paying sex work opportunities available now. It doesn't have a spotlight and government blessing placed on it like Germany does, but it exists.
KK mentions Montreal. But the strong agency system creates a lot of efficiencies there for the ladies. The agencies do all of the scheduling and transportation for them. Many get fully booked early in the day through advanced scheduling, so I am not convinced the ladies want to squeeze in several more customers at a lower price per sex act by staying at a fixed place incall where they circle a bunch of guys while naked. I think they would find that to be a less desirable work environment. Once again, it might work if you fly in a lot of Cubans, Venezuelans and Mexican ladies who live in extreme poverty. But that ain't cheap and it is a political and public relations nightmare even if you could magically change the law to make it legal. Not only is that unrealistic, but it would not exactly please the current North American sex workers.
Smoke Light
07-16-18, 15:40
Strip clubs are quite legal in the US. Just see the prices and the number and quality off girls. Usually lap dances go for $20 to $30 a song, which means roughly 4 min. There are some clubs with good girls, but they are NOT in hundreds of thousands, and only a small fraction of them are high quality.
For 50 E, you will never get a FKK caliber girl willing to provide equivalent services. KK posted about sugar babies who are willing to sleep for $300 an hour or more and it can still be hit and miss.For an American monger it is much higher than 50 E. Airline tickets, hotel accommodations, car rentals, public transportation, food, and other expenses pile up quickly.
Obviously all of us debating here believe prostitution should be legalized in the US. In reality it can take another generation to materialize. And it could come to exist through education or perhaps video game industry adding FKK-style fun as part of the virtual reality. Young 18 yr olds spend plenty of time gaming, don't they?
Eventually the prices will establish themselves naturally by the free market. Even if it's $300 or something, remains comparable with what we pay now for illegal P6 and risk many aspects of our lives if confronted by the LE in the States.
Hessen Bub
07-16-18, 17:20
The girls would be no problem. There are The income and opportunity disparities in the USA are vast and becoming worse and more prevalent by the day. This is how Trump got elected, the promise of changing this, but that's whole new discussion. Suffice to say USA will not be a land of honey and lotus leaves anytime soon for 99% of the population. Romanian average income for a family is probably 20% of that in Western Europe. That's what is pulling the girls here. Or better: That's why there are "managers" supplying Western P6 locations with fresh young girls from Romania and Bulgaria. If demand was to be satisfied with Western European girls the clubs would be empty.
Even if P6 was legalized in the US South American girls wouldn't get an official permission to work in the USA. I don't think a FKK club scene with similar pricing to DACH could be established in the US.
France won, but somehow several shop destroying and stealing. I saw the security camera footages. I wonder why this happened.Often times people will use an event like winning some championship as an excuse to act out violently just to express things they have been holding in. I remember when I was in university and my school won a prestigious national championship. People were punching holes in walls, damaging vehicles, and doing things like throwing sacks of flour in the supermarket against the ceiling hahaha! Must be a western thing since I doubt most Japanese people, for example, would act out like that. Since that time of the championship, and the school has won more, whenever the team plays for a national championship or even gets close, businesses will board up and close to prevent property damage LOL! There would be less anger in America to release like that if we did indeed have "FKK America".
ExpatLover
07-16-18, 19:33
I am going more off looks, not debating the feasibility of such clubs in the USA although I will not hold my breath, likewise for recreational in TX (maybe in 5-7 years) TX has some beautiful women but any tute here who is ' worth it' gets out of here for Denver, LA, AZ especially, ATL, Florida etc. Or they are on the ' underground travel circuit' where guys use word of mouth and private memberships to access them. Many are pimped and from Europe and getting $500-$1000 an hour. They can make double if not triple or more than here. Our ' civilians' are hot or can be but they have sugar daddies who give them money not loverboys who they give money too.
I hope your theories are correct, and it would happen here but how to get legalized or regulated prostitution thru the deep red states going to be tough! TX is rich with natural resources, same reason we aren't pressured to legalize weed is a reason we wouldn't need sex clubs to tax. All my opinions of course. I do think if it did happen much of the talent would be coming from 'rural Nebraska' or broke coal mine cities in ' Trump Country' etc. I think I read sometime in 2016 on the Spanish forums that they tried an FKK on the CDS somewhere in a very wealthy part loaded up with ex-pats, tourists etc and for whatever reason it failed. I would argue if they can't make it work in Spain it wouldn't work here.
However, I hope I am entirely wrong and that you open FKK Austinbach and make me a guest of honor, free couch time mandatory for all Travis County taxpayers!
I look at the board for Montreal often and wish that system was in place here w those hot girls they have, maybe would work better in Canada?
In meantime I will stick to commuting to Germany and hopefully toss Spain back in as I hate this conservative bucket of shit I live in!To make it very short, probably 90 percent of the girls in the FKK are pimped or married, all the rest is cheating, why no french girls in the clubs when the border is so close.
Prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada and prices are still inflated at a minimum of 300/ hour for girls who are 6's and 7's. It's $500+ for the few girls who even would be in the top 25% of FKKs. From what I hear these clubs and escort pages are not flooded with post graduate girls from universities like UNLV, UNR, or Univ of Arizona. They are mostly 25-40 year old fuglies, yet they earn 300+ per hour.But USA is also extremely religious and social stigma is very high against such work. The fear of loosing face is thus very high and acts as an inflation force.
Even if P6 was legalized in the US South American girls wouldn't get an official permission to work in the USA. I don't think a FKK club scene with similar pricing to DACH could be established in the US.Perhaps you are right. The current loosening of a clubs control over the prices is about to cause a 100% inflation in 1-2 years in German FKK's. In USA it would be much more loose from the get go, and the starting range would be far higher. It could take decades and several societal changes to bring it down to European levels. But as seen in Switzerland currently now with Globe and not many years ago in Lugano, the market is very international, and regional and even global structures and levels of liberalism is very important too.
German FKK prices are also held down by the non FKK sex scene in Germany also. Not as highly visited by tourists, thus creating a loophole for FKK girls to abuse tourists. But availability is hard to avoid at hurting prices. Uber and the taxi business is one example of something comparable. But while Uber and taxi businesses all provide the same service, p6 and FKKs have more price adjusting criteria's.
Information on the other hand is a key ingredient here. In everything from liberalising the profession, to helping the honest workers and creating customer satisfaction. That is how the total money pie can grow, women feeling better about what they do, and guys leaving the clubs won't feel in such a bad mood sometimes.
Often times people will use an event like winning some championship as an excuse to act out violently just to express things they have been holding in. I remember when I was in university and my school won a prestigious national championship. People were punching holes in walls, damaging vehicles, and doing things like throwing sacks of flour in the supermarket against the ceiling hahaha! Must be a western thing since I doubt most Japanese people, for example, would act out like that. Since that time of the championship, and the school has won more, whenever the team plays for a national championship or even gets close, businesses will board up and close to prevent property damage LOL! There would be less anger in America to release like that if we did indeed have "FKK America".Well like many protest turns riot, many people do not even usually participate in such cause or not even know what protest it is and turns into riot.
I saw security camera reports on destroying of shops and other places. I mean they were not even wearing mask on their face and I may get criticized again on facts, but these guys were definitely not French people though.
No there is no riot here, but some peaceful protest followed by cleaning up the street after protest is over usually on set agreed time with police LOL. It got pros and cons though because some things one should protest more strongly, but I am against riot or false violence.
If all men can know and afford German FKK, then many frustration would be cured and less hatred and more love I think.
When men cannot get sex with beautiful girls, they get frustrated, German FKK is like an aspirin, it got multiple cure for men.
Pahllus Maximus
07-17-18, 01:40
All good points. But there are hell of a lot of American women with worthless degrees in cat / feminist / literature liberal arts BS, big student loans, minimal wage jobs (if any), lack of hours doled out and much more. 30 m of them in the prime age. Let's say 10% are pretty, and lets say 5% of the pretty are motivated to do P4 P. That's still 150,000 willing and able workers.
Onshoring FKK's is good for the economy, imagine all that FOREX going to Thailand, DR and Europe coming back. And leverage of local expenditure. Maybe we should write to Trump. He knows lots about Hookers and would welcome the availability and trade aspects. I mean, with him, this is so crazy it might even fly as policy. Imagine Disneyland 18+ FKK. Snow on Snow White like you have never seen, Pop Mary Poppins. Saucy Little Red Riding Hood (over 18 naturally). Nympho cheerleader. A bit like Westworld. The first state that does this with a decent airport will make out like bandits. It would attract international inbound tourists. Take this further, imagine the future Westworld pleasure robots really existed with AI that could be everything you wanted with a little sass to keep it real and interesting. But no sapping criticism and nagging and moaning. Human women would become irrelevant. No disease. Vacuum and temperature controlled parts on demand to your preference. Just a thought experiment.
I am not sure about the globalization of prices for pussy. Certainly Moscow and London and New York have inflation, but there is still a relationship to local median income as not all girls can get daddy warbucks. They have a perishable asset and new competitors, so the monetization window in compressed as is the draw pool of customers. The US is distorted by LE and prohibition of consenting adults having sex (unlike exploitation of adults in filthy, disgusting, danegrous and / or degrading jobs, all OK just so long at they don't touch another human sexually, god forbid).
Imagination and empathy: we need more of it. And no more police state and moral police bullshit. More pretty, feminine ladies and let cat loving bearded lesbians / feminists reach their natural evolutionary end.
Member #4581
07-17-18, 02:34
The following link says there are a million prostitutes in the US and nearly 40 million in the world. So, your 150 K is well within that number.
The question is about FKK quality, and at what price point.
I have never been in German RLDs, but from what people write the price points are even lower than the FKK 50 e, notwithstanding the cover charge in FKK. If that sets the pricing paradigm, anyone who has picked up h00 kers off the street can answer about the price and quality of the average street walkers in the US. NV brothels are legal, and the girls' photos at places like Moonlight bunny ranch etc are nowhere close to the quality of Sharks or Oase girls and prices are much higher. And of course, as I said, strip clubs are quite legal and girls can make a cool 20 to 30 for grinding for just 4 min, and still there are not millions of girls clamoring to work there.
https://prostitution.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000095
As for having imagination, sorry to be flippant but this whole exercise is imaginary. Anyone who has lived in the US and follows the politics, news, culture and media here will know that an FKK style club will simply not fly here for more reasons than one. But if we are just having flights of imagination, why not?!
Member #4581
07-17-18, 02:44
For an American monger it is much higher than 50 E. Airline tickets, hotel accommodations, car rentals, public transportation, food, and other expenses pile up quickly. Prostitution should be legal here in the US. The prices will establish themselves naturally by the free market. Even if it's $300, it is comparable with what we pay now for illegal P6 and risk many aspects of our lives if confronted by the LE.
].Hotel charges would apply in the US as well unless you have a club within commuting distance of your residence and even airfare applies unless the club is within reasonable driving distance or have some other inexpensive transportation.
Also, on a recent trip I had 20+ sessions in 5 days. At such numbers, the per session cost differential is more material, and the fixed cost of airfare etc can be leveraged over a number of sessions.
Granted, if there is a club in my city I will not be so gluttonous.
Yes, ofcourse all of us on this site are supportive of legalized prostitution in the US and would love it if Sharks and Oase were in my city, but at this point this is just wishful thinking.
Smoke Light
07-17-18, 03:09
Imagine Disneyland 18+ FKK. Snow on Snow White like you have never seen, Pop Mary Poppins. Saucy Little Red Riding Hood (over 18 naturally). Nympho cheerleader. A bit like Westworld.I practically hear Snow White moaning "pound me too, pound me too" in a foursome situation. Unfortunately only imagination for us, but reality for German FKKs like "Ali Baba and the 40 robbers" party in Samya on July 26th.
http://samya.de/Home/Index/143
Given the fact, it is most likely that only German speaking part will be the central core of FKK set up, then it may spread to surrounding border area of other nations like YY in Netherlands, which I presume got inspired by German FKK which is just across the border.
I always found German speaking part and German girls or German born raised girls more kinky than others in FKK, why this is so if true, I do not know. I find Germany and German speaking part more sexually liberal than other nations in general.
America being quite religious or even very religious in many states with so many feminist and human right movement going on, I highly doubt that such a extreme liberal set up as German FKK would be so openly legal in USA. South America can be more chance for similar set up as therma in Brazil spreading to surrounding nations.
Latin girls are beautiful and good in bed, so that would be very nice movement to see. But we occasionally get girls in German FKK from south America.
Which FKKs have the biggest amounts of black WGs?
I'm very fond of black women, that why.There is a half black girl called Valeska in Artemis, I think that was her name, she is beauty, half black girl raised in Germany, I am not into black girls, but I even decided to session with her. She is good heart person and provide good service.
Polyamorist
07-17-18, 11:58
But the glaring omission is where men fit into this picture, and why men apparently irrationally sacrifice their lives to this form of modern day serfdom, getting for the most part loveless marriages, being sexually unsatisfied and having entitled brats and being chained to a job for 40 or more years. As opposed FKK type arrangements. Salaam Biggus Dickus, and barak Alabama! There are some great ideas in your posts. I am guessing you would be a fan of "The Fountainhead".
Generally speaking, I think that America is a place where young men are set up to fail, at least in terms of relationships. Check out Jordan Peterson's critique of feminism if you haven't already, and also "The War Against Boys" by Christina Hoff Summers. What happens is that many guys are so beaten down by the system that they are ready to accept any relationship at all, including the bad deal that marriage has increasingly become, and don't properly explore their options.
About your idea for US FKKs: the barrier to FKK adoption is not economic, it is ideological. As long as half the human race sees FKKs as being opposed to their interests, they will not gain widespread acceptance. Instead of celebrating the advantages of social dumping, we should be talking about how FKKs benefit women and not just men. Many Romanian girls have had opportunities they would never have dreamt of if they had stayed in their own countries. But the FKK concept is not as dependent on economic inequality as many here assume. FKK Atlantis had a roaring business long before Romania joined the EU, and before that Bernds was doing well off local girls.
In most countries, you are able to give other people gifts up to a certain amount per year without needing to pay taxes on it. Tipping is also a no-tax economy. And then you have the sharing economy: no taxation at all.
In essence the girls should never have to pay taxes. And if they are forced to, how can the regulators ever know how much money they made?
Answer: they cannot. And if they do force through some tax on the girls, they are abusing human right laws on surveillance. Because nobody will know if the girls made 0 or 10 rooms this night. And any night without cameras or a high level of surveillance involved.
The only reason girls would want to pay the basic tax at around 8% would be if they wanted to build up a pension in Germany. But that is comparable to a savings account, and is thus not an expense in the long run.
Legalizing prostitution in US will remains to be a dream and illusion. I think that talking about it is a waste of time and legalizing prostitution in US is not going to happen probably in our lifetime. I would like to use this opportunity to talk about prostitutes' pricing which is complex issue and I should talk in some of my previous posts, but I was too lazy to do that until now I have some time.
In my opinion, the main fundamentals and determining factors of prostitute's price are:
1. How difficult a man can get sex with a girl in real life in a society this girl grew up. For example, in real life in the USA, a man usually has to have at least two dates (could be more) with an American girl before he would have sex with this girl. Let's say each date costs the man $50 and the man has to spend minimum $100 (for two dates) on the girl to get sex with her, so this American girl would set her fundamental price $100. If a girl comes from a poor country in South America where average income of people is much lower and a man there could get sex with this girl after spending minimum $40 on her and is working in US, she would set her fundamental price $40, instead of $100 which a local American girl would set.
2. What is the culture and stigma with regards to prostitutes in the country the girl grew up. For example, an American girl would add say $100 to her fundamental price because of strong stigma of prostitutes in American society. A Gypsy from Romania may add zero dollar to her fundamental price because her culture may be well tolerated to prostitution.
3. How romantic and attractive normal mongers in the country where the girl works. Obviously in real life the girl wouldn't go out with most of her mongers who are usually old and unattractive. So she would add another X amount to her fundamental price for having sex with unattractive men whom she normally wouldn't have sex with. More mismatched between the girl and mongers (i.e. better the girl looks), more amount to be added to her fundamental price.
4. If the prostitution is illegal in the country where the girl works. She would add X amount to her price for legal risk.
5. Some other factors, some of which could be discount factors to her price (LOL), for example that if the girl is drug addict, she might need quick money for her drug addiction and lower her price in order to get the money right away.
Fundamentally, after adding (or subtracting) all the above factors together, final price should be her price.
If for some miraculous reason a dogmatic change sweeps across the US legalizing prostitution, I think at best the prices would normalize at 100/ half hour. The only way it would flourish is if immigration policies relax and the clubs become worked by loads of Mexican girls.
Even if legalized, brothels would have to be far outside the cities because they would not be in practice allowed to do business in town. Most US municialities aren't even giving out permits for strip clubs anymore. Can anyone even think of a brand new strip club that openned in the city limits of their city in the past 20 years? Atlanta and NYC has had zero new strip club openings.But then the dogmatic change wouldn't have been dogmatic enough. Even Germany has a long way to go in order to liberalise it more. It is just the lesser of the worst evils.
Bfsie: I agree on your points, but you left out the competitive regional and global factor where guys are very mobile and can travel the world for p6, as well as the global supply of p6 girls.
Legalizing prostitution in US will remains to be a dream and illusion. I think that talking about it is a waste of time and legalizing prostitution in US is not going to happen probably in our lifetime. I would like to use this opportunity to talk about prostitutes' pricing which is complex issue and I should talk in some of my previous posts, but I was too lazy to do that until now I have some time.
In my opinion, the main fundamentals and determining factors of prostitute's price are:
1. How difficult a man can get sex with a girl in real life in a society this girl grew up. For example, in real life in the USA, a man usually has to have at least two dates (could be more) with an American girl before he would have sex with this girl. Let's say each date costs the man $50 and the man has to spend minimum $100 (for two dates) on the girl to get sex with her, so this American girl would set her fundamental price $100. If a girl comes from a poor country in South America where average income of people is much lower and a man there could get sex with this girl after spending minimum $40 on her and is working in US, she would set her fundamental price $40, instead of $100 which a local American girl would set..You make some interesting points, but I feel the fact prostitution is illegal in the US is the main point that keeps the price inflated. Remember, university costs a lot. If you come from a poor family the dream of higher education seems so unreachable. A majority of university graduates finish with debts greater than one years salary. One of the largest recruiting insentives for the US military is the promise of a place to live, food and assistance with repayment of university costs. Let's not forget the occasional one year tour to war zones to help build character. There are many beauties, working minimum wage. If it was not illegal, I'm sure that many would choose $100-150 per hour. After all, as I read about the trends in the US, it is now acceptable for young women to date several generous older men who provide expensive gifts.
I'm sure the trick is finding the balance between the $10 drug addict WG and the $500 and higher overpriced WG.
My opinion on legalization falls along the far fetched side. There is too much money to be made due to prostitution being illegal and this price point keeps the rich people in power from having to share women with the commoners.
Rogue Nation
07-17-18, 20:56
But the FKK concept is not as dependent on economic inequality as many here assume. FKK Atlantis had a roaring business long before Romania joined the EU, and before that Bernds was doing well off local girls.It is. That were times (15 years ago) when there were few clubs in Germany, 50 EUR were still worth something and when average income in Poland, Czech and Hungary was a lot lower than now. So girls came to Atlantis and German FKKs. And German girls were still seeing it as a good income. Economy was roaring, many guys spent a lot of money on girls. Many girls were making 2 k or more per day.
Some girls from Asia, Africa, South America, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. Some of them married to EU members to get papers, other have been working illegally. That was one of the reasons why Atlantis was closed. Then things changed dramatically when Ro and Bu joined the EU. At least regarding the mix of nations at the clubs.
Legalizing prostitution in US will remains to be a dream and illusion. I think that talking about it is a waste of time and legalizing prostitution in US is not going to happen probably in our lifetime. I would like to use this opportunity to talk about prostitutes' pricing which is complex issue and I should talk in some of my previous posts, but I was too lazy to do that until now I have some time.
In my opinion, the main fundamentals and determining factors of prostitute's price are:
1. How difficult a man can get sex with a girl in real life in a society this girl grew up. For example, in real life in the USA, a man usually has to have at least two dates (could be more) with an American girl before he would have sex with this girl. Let's say each date costs the man $50 and the man has to spend minimum $100 (for two dates) on the girl to get sex with her, so this American girl would set her fundamental price $100..If men in America shoot freely with their sperm in such format as German FKK, then there will be less shooting with guns.
I really do think there is relation between good sex and anger management etc. I mean let say after good sex with beauty, the last thing you want is any kind of disturbance related to violence or negative things.
Kosher Kowboy
07-18-18, 00:32
KK posted about sugar babies who are willing to sleep for $300 an hour or more and it can still be hit and miss.For any fellow Americans headed the way of sugar babies, seeking P4 P arrangements on those type sites cover your tracks as always better safe than sorry. I can not verify if true or not but one guy stateside thinks he had a possible encounter with law enforcement and another claims of an Oregon bust on one of these sites. Real or imagined? To be determined. Probably paranoia but you never know.
I am not sure, just passing it along. It wouldn't shock me if they are using these other sites to try to make a name and flex their muscle to eliminate the mass wave of prostitutes now on them in light of recent legislation here. Those sites are infested with them now, matter of time until those sites prune profiles.
It is. That were times (15 years ago) when there were few clubs in Germany, 50 EUR were still worth something and when average income in Poland, Czech and Hungary was a lot lower than now. So girls came to Atlantis and German FKKs. And German girls were still seeing it as a good income. Economy was roaring, many guys spent a lot of money on girls. Many girls were making 2 k or more per day.
Some girls from Asia, Africa, South America, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. Some of them married to EU members to get papers, other have been working illegally. That was one of the reasons why Atlantis was closed. Then things changed dramatically when Ro and Bu joined the EU. At least regarding the mix of nations at the clubs.More EU joining by Eastern European countries are better for FKK line up, I wonder which country is next to join EU and FKK line up.
Thanks god that Eastern European countries are among the most beautiful girls concentrated area to my taste.
But then the dogmatic change wouldn't have been dogmatic enough. Even Germany has a long way to go in order to liberalise it more. It is just the lesser of the worst evils.I think we had the peak of sexual liberation in Germany till last July when new law kicked in. It was paradise for men and even AO was allowed. For such low price.
I hope Germany will bring back the whole thing to as it was before last July, but I unfortunately doubt they will or make the whole thing worst, thanks to feminist and me too movement kinda organizations.
Aren't we all fortunate to experience over 10 years of mongering at its peak of liberation in Germany or I would say even in recent history. I mean only king and some other real privileged figure has such Harem like environment and we monger had it for reasonable price for such Harem like set up. This was the peak I unfortunately think.
Sunny side is that we still have it kind of and in surrounding nations to Germany we still have few places as it was in Germany till last July. So sun set has not come yet.
I feel the fact prostitution is illegal in the US is the main point that keeps the price inflated. I wrote in my post:
4. If the prostitution is illegal in the country where the girl works. She would add X amount to her price for legal risk.
It depends on how severe legal punishment in a country is for prostitutes if they get caught. More severe the legal punishment is, higher risk premium (amount) the prostitutes would add to their prices. I don't think that the fact prostitution is illegal in the USA is main reason to drive the price inflated in the US because the legal punishment for prostitutes in US is not severe at all. I would like to quote a part of Takedown's post as follows as a part of my response to you:
Prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada and prices are still inflated at a minimum of 300/ hour for girls who are 6's and 7's. It's $500+ for the few girls who even would be in the top 25% of FKKs.
My sense is that the stigma towards prostitutes in USA is the main force to inflate the price in the US.
Pahllus Maximus
07-18-18, 13:39
In 1984 had I said phones in your shirt pocket and so on, people would laugh at me as a crank. Just look at the last 10 years of changes. Serious foreign and economic policy as a brain fart on twitter. There is a lot of fragility in the US social contract and institutions and the states are in direct competition to survive as is the population as the permanent reality of mass structural unemployment, weak wages and poverty dawns on the population. As will be the reality of unfunded pensions. Morality. Or ideology. Rapidly changes in the face of undeniable economic realities. I for one can see changes coming, such as implicit encouragement of soft drugs to keep the population stoned and docile when they figure out the lifestyle they ordered is out of stock. The social / economic Darwinism is yet to play its logical conclusion. It will start small, like Indian reservations or somewhere with nada like Louisiana or the now ecologically destroyed Dakotas. The addiction to tax is that great. There are no blushes in congress.
Sex globalization already exists and will continue as the futility of forming a viable traditional 2. 1 births per female economic household dawns on most people is a passport to crushing poverty. This suits the 1% who can get rid of troublesome and possibly dangerous, resource draining surplus people save for a minimal service staff and a few pretty things for entertainment.
Pahllus Maximus
07-18-18, 13:50
The educated here may ponder when the Yuan and Greenback are seen as the worthless symbols they are. Water, food, oil and sex will be the real currency. Even land is mostly worthless without the financial instruments that monetizes it and the economy. Compare Detroit say 1960 and 2018. Shanghai was a village in 1984. Traditional hydrocarbon based 1 person to 1 car is already soon be obsolete, and eventually women will demand the right to sell whatever they have to sell openly. I would not be so sure. The alcohol prohibition ended. The drug prohibition is slowly ending or unenforceable and hookers I think will be next. The need to get money flowing is the same reason gambling is OK. Hooker spend locally. Las Vegas money is sent straight to Wall Street and from there to feckless capital markets.
Uber for pussy. Searchable ratings, geolocation, reliable money exchange and no need for pimps.
Not going to mention many examples, but illegal / legal is definitely not a price mover. I have seen prices drop in places it got illegal, and vice versa. One thing that can affect prices is institutionalising it in brothels, and slapping taxes on it. Although I still feel the tax thingy is a bit fringe and easy to avoid unless I missed something.
The educated here may ponder when the Yuan and Greenback are seen as the worthless symbols they are. Water, food, oil and sex will be the real currency. Even land is mostly worthless without the financial instruments that monetizes it and the economy. Compare Detroit say 1960 and 2018. Shanghai was a village in 1984. Traditional hydrocarbon based 1 person to 1 car is already soon be obsolete, and eventually women will demand the right to sell whatever they have to sell openly. I would not be so sure. The alcohol prohibition ended. The drug prohibition is slowly ending or unenforceable and hookers I think will be next. The need to get money flowing is the same reason gambling is OK. Hooker spend locally. Las Vegas money is sent straight to Wall Street and from there to feckless capital markets.
Uber for pussy. Searchable ratings, geolocation, reliable money exchange and no need for pimps.Possibe? Yes. Will it happen in your mongering life time? I give it a 10% probability, max.
Sebastiane
07-18-18, 18:03
Interesting discussion about FKKs and prostitution in the USA. I was in California last year on business and I signed up with a sugar daddy website as I heard its a big thing I the States. Within hours of signing up I was getting numbers of beautiful college girls who were willing to be my 'companion' for an evening or the weekend. I decided to go with one girl, an art student in San Francisco, about 20, a 8 by FKK standards, for 300's for the evening. After chatting on Whatsapp we went for dinner at a vegan restaurant, she was one of those hippy types! And then back to my hotel room where we called in room service and I was shocked when alcohol was not allowed to be ordered as part of it! So I popped down to the local store and bought a bottle of Veuve Clicquot champagne and ordered in sushi using Uber food service to my hotel room.
After drinking we fucked, including BBBJ and anal, DFK and then had sushi in bed. The girl slept in my bed and left early in the morning. All for 300 dollars.
I also had offers from girls who were 9's, including beautiful Armenian and Persian girls, and also a blonde from Texas but they wanted 500 $ (the Texan 700's) for 24 hours. One girl I agreed 24 hours for 1000 $ with and she was a blonde 10 and leggy but unfortunately she bailed on me and left me hanging at the steak house where we were meant to meet. The point is I didn't find it hard to get P4P in the USA as long as you call it sugar dating. According to an article I read in one of the US papers online most girls who use Sugar Dating are college girls.
I think it's the new 'normal' in dating and will be become increasingly so with the year 2000 born and laters.
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I can see it happening in USA actually. Just not in our generation. But perhaps in 30 years. Just looking at liberalization trends across Europe and other parts of the world when it comes to atheism should be an indicator. In this sense USA is lagging behind. And there could also be setbacks, but we can all hope.
Mongerer88
07-18-18, 22:01
Very interesting stories. I am sure all of these USA Ladies can't wait for there to be an FKK in the USA where they can live where they work, walk around naked the entire time, and get $50, $100, $150 or so a session, fuck several different guys during the long shift, and hope the guy she just fucked says good things about her to the other guys on the floor.
I can't believe this was really a topic. The German FKKs work due to a convergence of low-income women from Eastern Europe who face a weak local market for their services in their home countries, and the close proximity of Germany and its acceptance of immigrant labor. It works well in Germany and the surrounding countries, but doesn't export well.
North America and other parts of Western Europe have a fine system of commercial sex. It is just expensive. Guys who can't, or won't, pay the market prices are certainly free to travel to much lower cost places, including Germany and South America. Many US guys on the east coast choose to travel to Montreal and a lot of Californians do Tijuana. A lot of guys do a little of everything. They occasionally monger in their home markets, and certainly look forward to business and vacation trips to lower cost locales.
Really folks, what would be the advantage of big FKKs in the USA? Nothing is stopping a USA Guy from answering the multitudes of sex worker ads and sugar baby in the USA Reasonable screening and research can assure both parties that law enforcement is not involved. Does the government really need to approve a great big facility and give a stamp of approval for sex? Should the USA Government really allow female temporary workers from very low-income countries to work at the hypothetical US FKKs to keep the prices low so that a low-income guy can get affordable sex without traveling?
I just can't get myself to think that way.
Interesting discussion about FKKs and prostitution in the USA. I was in California last year on business and I signed up with a sugar daddy website as I heard its a big thing I the States. Within hours of signing up I was getting numbers of beautiful college girls who were willing to be my 'companion' for an evening or the weekend. I decided to go with one girl, an art student in San Francisco, about 20, a 8 by FKK standards, for 300's for the evening. After chatting on Whatsapp we went for dinner at a vegan restaurant, she was one of those hippy types! And then back to my hotel room where we called in room service and I was shocked when alcohol was not allowed to be ordered as part of it! So I popped down to the local store and bought a bottle of Veuve Clicquot champagne and ordered in sushi using Uber food service to my hotel room..
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