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HungryStud101
09-18-18, 00:44
Depends on how you define hobbyist. When the monger is addicted to this hobby, I mean truly addicted, then I would agree with you. Some people neglect friends, family, careers, and dedicate themselves to the hobby. They've re-prioritized their entire lives.
.I remember in my early professional years that I would check into a hotel in the USA and pull out the yellow pages as soon as I got in. I mostly didn't call an escort but I wasted a hell of a lot of time (like I am at the moment) on pricing girls and looking for girls in newspapers etc. I finally got it through my head that being a monger within the confines of the United States is really not worth it and I will rarely waste my money and time pursuing the hobby at home. However, when I get on the road and the job takes me to a hobby local or if I find any other reason to be in a hobby locality, I am a binger. I am a binge hobbyist. I think it hurt my career early but I have learned to tone it down and I only get to a legitimate hobby destination a few times a year. Say 3 or 4 times a year.
I've been struck by the fact that for most of the friends I know who do this, WGs are their main vice. No gambling, no excessive alcohol consumption, no drug addiction, no chain-smoking, no overeating, sometimes not even meat, no abusive relationships. Sure, they spend their money on real estate, or cars, or clothes otherwise, but those are hardly vices. How about you? Do you indulge in other sins as much as you do sex?This is me pretty much to a tee. Although, I do eat meat and will never give it up to the day that I die. It may even kill me haha!
Depends on how you define hobbyist. When the monger is addicted to this hobby, I mean truly addicted, then I would agree with you. Some people neglect friends, family, careers, and dedicate themselves to the hobby. They've re-prioritized their entire lives.
Others not so much. Would you consider a local who lives 15 minutes from the club, but only mongers once every three months a "hobbyist"? Even some of the locals who seem to attend 4-5 times a week or the Dutch, Belgian, French who attend nearly every weekend, sometimes don't appear to be "addicted". Meaning their number one priority in the club is not to session WGs. At many of the higher entry clubs like GT, LR, and Babylon, beer is included. So some men just go to meet up with friends and drink. They will session a WG once every few visits. There are regulars who I have never seen take a room (one is even a local Asian guy who gambles and drinks mostly by himself).
Have you not seen the gambling machines? Have you not heard people here complain about the smoke? One of the WGs I know is taking a break now. She wants to quit drugs, but she claims it is impossible because she has too many clients that want to snort or smoke with her.Most of the guys I know didn't give up their vices, it seems like they never had them to begin with! It's not like whoring made them healthier. It might be more like these guys were so color-inside-the-lines that the only way they could get a ton of strange is by paying for it. (Kind of a joke, but that describes me too. Strange usually comes easier to the rule-defying bad boys.)
The regulars actually seem to fit this model of control vs. Excess too. Most of those I've seen seem to be modest-living guys, but a little sad because they're there regularly (and it seems they don't have a lively social life on the outside.).
It's enough to want to be around pretty naked young women all the time to be labeled as addicted. These old guy regulars don't need to session. Maybe they're unable, given their advanced ages.
The gambling machines seem there mostly for the girls, so that doesn't affect my impression of the hobbyist. The smoke, well, just a handful of people can generate as much smoke.
Your anecdote of about the WG's drug use I can definitely see, but that doesn't mean there's a ton of drug use among the sex-addicted regulars. She may just need to use a lot of drugs because a lot of one-timers show up wanting to use them.
One exception to my experience is that I'm mostly a dayside guy. I may not see as many vices because I don't visit at night that often, and I think that's where most of the vice-users come out. Girls have told me they prefer the dayside for that reason.
This is me pretty much to a tee. Although, I do eat meat and will never give it up to the day that I die. It may even kill me haha!I wouldn't be surprised if we knew each other at the club! =).
The regulars actually seem to fit this model of control vs. Excess too. Most of those I've seen seem to be modest-living guys, but a little sad because they're there regularly (and it seems they don't have a lively social life on the outside.).To me "hardcore mongers" just means you've prioritized and allocated large portions of time and money to the hobby. These men fall into three categories: (1) frequent fly-in sex tourist, (2) local who visits two or more times a week, (3) monger who lives 100-600 km away and travels to the club almost every weekend. I would say all three are generally what you refer to as "color-inside-the-lines" guys. That's why I used the verbiage "even some" hinting that there is only a small minority of these hardcore mongers that have vices.
Drinking, smoking, and drugs are habits you pick up while socializing. I mean, yes, once you become addicted, you will engage in all these while in your hotel room alone, but if one is just a recreational user of these substances, they will generally only use when in the presence of friends. I would say most hardcore mongers are anti-social. You must be in order to "disappear" for long periods of time. Mongering is not socially acceptable, so those who engage in it so frequently must either make up a cover-story or maintain a small or non-existent social circle, otherwise questions get asked: "why do travel to Germany so much?" or "where are you every weekend? "why didn't you answer your phone for six hours last night?
Your anecdote of about the WG's drug use I can definitely see, but that doesn't mean there's a ton of drug use among the sex-addicted regulars. She may just need to use a lot of drugs because a lot of one-timers show up wanting to use them.I agree. The men who are offering her drugs are probably not the "hardcore mongers". I would guess that hardcore mongers never really make up 10-15 percent of the club. Majority of the club would be recreational mongers who attend irregularly like no more than once every month.
One exception to my experience is that I'm mostly a dayside guy. I may not see as many vices because I don't visit at night that often, and I think that's where most of the vice-users come out.The mongers who want to "party" tend to be younger, they tend to arrive later in the evening and they tend to always arrive in groups of at least five. On a weekend night at a party club like Samya, I would say majority of the tables on the outer perimeter are groups of friends that have purchased bottle service.
I've been struck by the fact that for most of the friends I know who do this, WGs are their main vice.
Contrary to the stereotype of the cigar-chomping, hard-drinking fat type A who goes out for hookers and blow after making a big score, most of the guys I know in this hobby indulge almost exclusively on pussy, to what could be considered a boring extent.
No gambling, no excessive alcohol consumption, no drug addiction, no chain-smoking, no overeating, sometimes not even meat, no abusive relationships. Sure, they spend their money on real estate, or cars, or clothes otherwise, but those are hardly vices. How about you? Do you indulge in other sins as much as you do sex?The guys who tend to turn almost full or full time monger tend to be very rational, maybe that is the reason why men who go after WG almost full time tend to have less vices in life and we also begin to calculate many things in life based on what we can do in FKK or elsewhere for doing other vices that to us is meaningless or not rational comparing it to fucking young beautiful girls at FKK etc.
We all have different reasons to monger here and there, but full time mongers are bit different, we seek rationality and promptness, so that is the major reasons full time monger turn full time monger to seek secure investment return of fulfilling our lust, which is fair to say men's dream by our nature.
When prostitution industries begin to provide girls who are actually young, beautiful and do almost all in bed at one stop location like FKK etc. It made sense for some of us men to turn full time monger due to rationality of it.
Once upon a time, brothel tend to provide almost only ugly old girls who are even fat. , but in some part of world that is not a case anymore and it has been so for quite while now. We have secure relatively easier reasonably priced access to have sex with young beautiful girls as we want it. This for me is most alluring thing in the whole world and each time I walk in to FKK, new encounters with new young beautiful organic holes are waiting for my penis to penetrate.
Drinking, smoking, and drugs are habits you pick up while socializing. I mean, yes, once you become addicted, you will engage in all these while in your hotel room alone, but if one is just a recreational user of these substances, they will generally only use when in the presence of friends. I would say most hardcore mongers are anti-social. You must be in order to "disappear" for long periods of time. Mongering is not socially acceptable, so those who engage in it so frequently must either make up a cover-story or maintain a small or non-existent social circle, otherwise questions get asked: "why do travel to Germany so much?" or "where are you every weekend? "why didn't you answer your phone for six hours last night? Good point. It's kind of a chicken-and-egg thing, it seems. If you're not as sociable, you're not indulging in other vices, and WGs are an easier route to sex, and once you go down that road, there's less need to get involved with other vices.
... If you're not as sociable, you're not indulging in other vices, and WGs are an easier route to sex, and once you go down that road, there's less need to get involved with other vices.My grain of salt: beware of people who don't smoke and don't touch alcohol, they could be into harder stuff, and of course they would not brag. Mongering combines very well with the harder stuff, as working girls are often an easy and relatively safe way to score. Men who have regular girls they book for 5 to 8 hours on end would be likely suspects.
Men who have regular girls they book for 5 to 8 hours on end would be likely suspects.This is true, it's hard to imagine screwing for that amount of time. I've never seen public sex for that amount of time.
About not drinking and not smoking, I'm mostly talking about the folks I know.
HungryStud101
09-19-18, 22:56
Under My Skin is an autobiography by Kate Holden, heroin addicted prostitute from Australia that worked in what she claims to be some of the biggest brothels in the land down under. She did so to feed her heroin addiction. She needed to earn 500 $/ day to to feed her habit and her junkie boyfriend's. She started by walking the street and then she was recruited to work a low-end brothel where everyone was addicted and then she moved on to a high-end brothel where she had to hide the needle marks and other evidence of her drug use or she would be fired. She finally quit when she saw and heard about all the things her friends had while she had nothing. It was a great read and she blames no one but herself and she is rather proud of her sex work. She enjoyed many clients and even used to say to herself "I can't believe that I am getting paid to do this. " She considered herself a professional and she said that she helped the men to be better lovers. She read a review that said something about that Kate is honest and doesn't fake orgasm etc. She had a literature degree and she could carry on a conversation etc.
My point is, she was able to fool most clients, the other girls, and her managers. I read this book and I wonder, how many hard drug users have I slept with and not realized it? It is not obvious.
Great Book
http://www.kate-holden.com/?page_id=16
Under My Skin is an autobiography by Kate Holden, heroin addicted prostitute from Australia that worked in what she claims to be some of the biggest brothels in the land down under. She did so to feed her heroin addiction. She needed to earn 500 $/ day to to feed her habit and her junkie boyfriend's. She started by walking the street and then she was recruited to work a low-end brothel where everyone was addicted and then she moved on to a high-end brothel where she had to hide the needle marks and other evidence of her drug use or she would be fired. She finally quit when she saw and heard about all the things her friends had while she had nothing. It was a great read and she blames no one but herself and she is rather proud of her sex work. She enjoyed many clients and even used to say to herself "I can't believe that I am getting paid to do this. " She considered herself a professional and she said that she helped the men to be better lovers. She read a review that said something about that Kate is honest and doesn't fake orgasm etc. She had a literature degree and she could carry on a conversation etc.
My point is, she was able to fool most clients, the other girls, and her managers. I read this book and I wonder, how many hard drug users have I slept with and not realized it? It is not obvious.
Great Book
http://www.kate-holden.com/?page_id=16I always suspected some girls who are stunner or near stunner level optic who provide over passionately everything for just standard 30 min price (50 or 60 euro) are on something at that moment she providing me with outstanding service that I go wow. Or they just fought with her boyfriend LOL.
My point is, she was able to fool most clients, the other girls, and her managers. I read this book and I wonder, how many hard drug users have I slept with and not realized it? It is not obvious. *Shudder. * True, it is hard to tell. It's one thing for me to sleep with avaricious girls, but sleeping with drug addicts significantly raises the risk profile of this hobby.
On a related note, another good sex worker bio is "Fast Girl. " The author comes from the other side of things: She was an Olympian whose psychology pushed her towards sex work. "I am Jennie" by former porn star Penny Flame wasn't bad either, and she's also unapologetic about her past.
My grain of salt: beware of people who don't smoke and don't touch alcohol, they could be into harder stuff, and of course they would not brag. Mongering combines very well with the harder stuff, as working girls are often an easy and relatively safe way to score. Men who have regular girls they book for 5 to 8 hours on end would be likely suspects.I am into much harder, but most beautiful drugs of all time, it is called beautiful prostitutes all over the world LOL.
ExpatLover
09-20-18, 06:26
To me "hardcore mongers" just means you've prioritized and allocated large portions of time and money to the hobby. These men fall into three categories: (1) frequent fly-in sex tourist, (2) local who visits two or more times a week, (3) monger who lives 100-600 km away and travels to the club almost every weekend. I would say all three are generally what you refer to as "color-inside-the-lines" guys. That's why I used the verbiage "even some" hinting that there is only a small minority of these hardcore mongers that have vices.
Drinking, smoking, and drugs are habits you pick up while socializing. I mean, yes, once you become addicted, you will engage in all these while in your hotel room alone, but if one is just a recreational user of these substances, they will generally only use when in the presence of friends. I would say most hardcore mongers are anti-social. You must be in order to "disappear" for long periods of time. Mongering is not socially acceptable, so those who engage in it so frequently must either make up a cover-story or maintain a small or non-existent social circle, otherwise questions get asked: "why do travel to Germany so much?" or "where are you every weekend? "why didn't you answer your phone for six hours last night?
Completely right, most of the senior mongers including me, have poor social life, just because even you live in Germany it is taking too much time to visit the clubs, to travel from one to another and also it is impossible to share it with most of yours relatives, so you do it secretly.
Has anyone heard about a new club opening in Wachtendonk? Name, Address, Website? I'm looking for an alternative to the Alcoholfrie Oktoberfest at LR.
I am into much harder, but most beautiful drugs of all time, it is called beautiful prostitutes all over the world LOL.My favorite drug is adrenaline, can't help running for. On last night, I explained to my new girl: when I woke up at 6 am, started working at 7 am until 5 pm, not eating to leave as early as possible, leaving Paris exhausted by traffic, then pushed as fast as possible and arrived fresh 5 hours later, for a so lovely girl who cooked for me at night after our sex. I think she likes orgasmus, making her hungry.
Other great drug is to turn legs in high altitude bicycle climbing, mind have to be strong to lead turning rhythm, to put heart rhythm on the edge of red zone limit, have to turn fast enough to prevent lactic acid killing muscles, and enjoyable to make more oxygen in blood, then so enjoyable feeling in your body, becoming a bit Kenyan engine, rather than Lancer, Impreza or Skyline, but my own engine I work hard to improve performances when getting older, and I return because I want my new records. On bicycle with feet blocked in pedals, we make only 1 like when You are inside a girl and orgasmus is when I look at timer for record. So great pleasure in mind, real drug, before returning to girls to make them make sport.
Member #4636
09-21-18, 18:01
My favorite drug is adrenaline.To me again a top sex drug would be to see the ladies dressed super sexy when entering the club. I really don't like this look of them completely naked with plastic 20 inch heels walking around holding the bag with the stuff inside. Would rather prefer to see them in sexy dresses or mini skirts with high heels flashing some pussy now and then and doing kinky sexy staff to attract clients.
Generally things to turn on the clients.
*Shudder. * True, it is hard to tell. It's one thing for me to sleep with avaricious girls, but sleeping with drug addicts significantly raises the risk profile of this hobby. ...If you don't touch the drugs yourself you're off the hooks. Heavy passive smoking could theoretically throw a positive if you get tested on the roads but it's a long shot.
Things may be different if you meet the girl outside the club, drive her around and for example carry her belongings and send out payments on her behalf etc.
But I would rate the drug risk as nill in Germany unless you yourself decide to partake.
My favorite drug is adrenaline, can't help running for. On last night, I explained to my new girl: when I woke up at 6 am, started working at 7 am until 5 pm, not eating to leave as early as possible, leaving Paris exhausted by traffic, then pushed as fast as possible and arrived fresh 5 hours later, for a so lovely girl who cooked for me at night after our sex. I think she likes orgasmus, making her hungry.
Other great drug is to turn legs in high altitude bicycle climbing, mind have to be strong to lead turning rhythm, to put heart rhythm on the edge of red zone limit, have to turn fast enough to prevent lactic acid killing muscles, and enjoyable to make more oxygen in blood, then so enjoyable feeling in your body, becoming a bit Kenyan engine, rather than Lancer, Impreza or Skyline, but my own engine I work hard to improve performances when getting older, and I return because I want my new records. On bicycle with feet blocked in pedals, we make only 1 like when You are inside a girl and orgasmus is when I look at timer for record. So great pleasure in mind, real drug, before returning to girls to make them make sport.Well I am merely a searcher, searching for new beautiful girl to ride on her mouth, pussy or anal.
They say life is a ride, hell yeah for all professional monger LOL.
It is good you have a lot of hobbies siri, I just like fucking and eating and I do like exercise to and I work out on daily basis either on my upper body or lower body, but I am not after adrenaline, I am after orgasm with young beautiful girls.
I do however, love natures very much. I sometimes think of moving to close to the city with easy access to city convenient suburb with full of natures.
It is kinda nice to live in place like around Bruggen, you are in nature, but also right by Dusseldorf with one hour access either by train or car, and you got the place where you can fuck many young beautiful girls from all over the world who come to get fucked for 50 euro per 30 min LOL.
Well at least we professional mongers are clear of what we want.
To me again a top sex drug would be to see the ladies dressed super sexy when entering the club. I really don't like this look of them completely naked with plastic 20 inch heels walking around holding the bag with the stuff inside. Would rather prefer to see them in sexy dresses or mini skirts with high heels flashing some pussy now and then and doing kinky sexy staff to attract clients.
Generally things to turn on the clients.Use escort services. You pay more, but you get a higher class of girls. They know how to blend in public and look sexy.
To me again a top sex drug would be to see the ladies dressed super sexy when entering the club. I really don't like this look of them completely naked with plastic 20 inch heels walking around holding the bag with the stuff inside. Would rather prefer to see them in sexy dresses or mini skirts with high heels flashing some pussy now and then and doing kinky sexy staff to attract clients.
Generally things to turn on the clients.Go to Aphrodisia Zurich city.
Sometimes in NRW, can see some girls in sexy lingerie.
1 criteria to think a girl can be different is to look at her shoes. Also nails care, fake or real, same color for all, or French manicure. On mid June at Sharks, I saw a sophisticated girl with normal high heels, not 25 cm high to look like a model, and she was really different, a so fresh Romanian woman lost in a brothel. I noticed her on a Friday, she smiled to me when she was having diner, but I preferred to watch Spain vs Portugal and she had finished when I looked for her after the match. On next day, I returned for her even I didn't know her, only her smile. Even not a performer, but great choice to feel to be with a woman. She had only 1 fast room after me and stopped because she didn't want to have sex like this. I returned on Sunday for her only room. With my rooms, she paid entry to eat and bed to sleep, and was waiting for her plane day to leave. She didn't work for most of the next week, just having to pay for bed, but what a welcome when I arrived on next Friday when she was having breakfast with another girl, she invited me to have breakfast with her, the other girl did let us. Our room only for her on this Friday, later when she came back from resting a bit, when she was having diner, she proposed me to stay together but I didn't recover enough, so she finished her day, unfortunately she didn't work on Saturday. She didn't want to do FKK job, not Dubai or Ibiza companionship, but she never spoke about money, except answering she didn't want to do everything for only 50 , when I asked her what was her problem to want to leave after only 2 weeks. I never heard or read anything about her when she was far higher level for look and behavior, among Sharks casting. Was lucky to have 3 rooms with a dreamed woman, even I m sure nothing about luck, but my manners to make girls feel woman.
Has anyone heard about a new club opening in Wachtendonk? Name, Address, Website? I'm looking for an alternative to the Alcoholfrie Oktoberfest at LR.Really? You can't do your own google search to find Deja Vu? It took 10 seconds to find you an answer:
https://dejavu-vip.com
Lampesweg 1, 47669 Wachtendonk.
Sunday – Thursday: 14.00 – 02.00 hours.
Friday – Saturday: 14:00 – 04.00 hours.
I admit that I am surprised that any new club has opened given the opportunity the new laws give the states to restrict new clubs, I expected that the rules would used to stop any new development.
LaBambaBoy
09-22-18, 19:41
Just wanted to post here a thank you to everyone who answered questions and posted reports in the last month. I was able to visit Mainhattan once and Sharks twice (and the RLD once for good measure!) and had a great time. I look forward to exploring more of the features Europe had to offer, especially the lovely and supple Romanian terrain.
Milfotronic
09-22-18, 20:52
How common is it that a guy sticks to one and the same girl the entire time at an FKK?
Has anyone heard about a new club opening in Wachtendonk? Name, Address, Website? I'm looking for an alternative to the Alcoholfrie Oktoberfest at LR.There was a plan to open big club in potsdam and they even began constructing it, but never made it to completion. I think with FKK industry, it is never sure till it actually open the door especially with the recent trend of authority becoming more harsh on our beloved FKK industry.
However, it will be nice to see more and more of FKK set up club or related opening in rather mega scale, so that such trend can spread to surrounding nations more rapidly, which will give us more choices and competition in line up due to lucrative of business.
FKK has peaked out few years ago, then went bit downhill in lazy phase, now it is about time to catch up and begin to rise again like it used to be in around year 2010 to 2015 ish.
More clubs, more prompt competitions the better line up can be. I hope FKK will be the common known platform for the all the young beautiful girls to make quick cash in short period of time like over summer holiday or even weekend from around EU regions. I like Romanian or Bulgarian girls, but the best is drop by of young beauty just for short period of time as secret job aside for quick cash, I miss the days when this was more common.
There was a plan to open big club in potsdam and they even began constructing it, but never made it to completion. I think with FKK industry, it is never sure till it actually open the door especially with the recent trend of authority becoming more harsh on our beloved FKK industry.
However, it will be nice to see more and more of FKK set up club or related opening in rather mega scale, so that such trend can spread to surrounding nations more rapidly, which will give us more choices and competition in line up due to lucrative of business.
FKK has peaked out few years ago, then went bit downhill in lazy phase, now it is about time to catch up and begin to rise again like it used to be in around year 2010 to 2015 ish.
More clubs, more prompt competitions the better line up can be. I hope FKK will be the common known platform for the all the young beautiful girls to make quick cash in short period of time like over summer holiday or even weekend from around EU regions. I like Romanian or Bulgarian girls, but the best is drop by of young beauty just for short period of time as secret job aside for quick cash, I miss the days when this was more common.Amen brother! Where do we all sign the petition?
Amen brother! Where do we all sign the petition?In our dream LOL It is funny how all men want what we pro mongers want, but somehow society including many men who want it deny men's nature called lust for fucking many young beautiful girls.
I always find it amusing how many men deny it openly to keep their reputation and spend rest of their lives masturbating front of computer screen instead of going to FKK every year or call escort every weekend.
I guess it is hard to become who one really want to be, so they end up denying and criticize us professional monger even though they themselves want to do what we do in FKK. And instead they criticize openly and then oddly they go home, they lock the door of computer room and masturbate imagining what we do which is in their computer screen with porn scene they choose to watch and wank LOL. I mean how I ironic is that?
Well we are not masturbating kind of a guy, we are proud professional hentai monger LOL!
How common is it that a guy sticks to one and the same girl the entire time at an FKK?There are some ladies in NRW who specialize in this type of client relationship. It can be expensive and or frustrating for the man. Either buy her for the entire time he is in the club or session her then watch her go off with others, then session her again later.
Really? You can't do your own google search to find Deja Vu? It took 10 seconds to find you an answer:
https://dejavu-vip.com
Lampesweg 1, 47669 Wachtendonk.
Sunday Thursday: 14.00 02.00 hours.
Friday Saturday: 14:00 04.00 hours.
I admit that I am surprised that any new club has opened given the opportunity the new laws give the states to restrict new clubs, I expected that the rules would used to stop any new development.A lady mentioned this new club on Tuesday but didn't have the name or specifics, only that it's recruiting. She heard about it from a friend and from what we were told opened on Saturday the 15th of September.
I am slightly familiar with search engines. Even back before Google was created simplifying searches by eliminating the need for the searcher themselves to utilize and / or / not boolean logic. There were multiple people searching on Thursday the 20th but nothing was found. It's possible that the URL records had not replicated through the DNS serves to include the one I was using yet or that the meta data did not include Wochtendonk, FKK, Sauna and Club. I was also on a Fairspot WiFi pop so their NetNanny app may have prevented the searches from rendering a full results.
But thanks for getting back to me and the community. Now we all have the name of the club and we know if we need a keen user of Google we can count on you.
Smile everyone, it's Sunday morning and the last clubs closed 10 minutes ago and the first ones open in 2 hours and 47 minutes.
Use escort services. You pay more, but you get a higher class of girls. They know how to blend in public and look sexy.On last Wednesday, I met a really fresh beauty, super GFE, tender, Russian escort, Emi from VipAphrodite for 250 for 1 h, but I missed something with her, so when I left, I took appointment with my new girl in Germany, for Thursday night, for passionate Romanian fire for 150 for more than 1 h30. Sometimes You can make a girl, working on her, becoming high level for you, and she is not the first one for this, but more and more rare to find woman type beauties, also not anymore Golden years for escorts.
At Globe on Friday, I got the German busy superstar really changing when we started in bed, for first time with her. After 2 hours, many rounds and orgasmus, she told she had a booking by desk at midnight, but if she was free later, she would run to me. At 1.20 am, she arrived full smiling, telling: I didn't extend booking because I want a good fucking with You before going to sleep, asking me for orgasmus and wild fucking. 3 hours = 780€ for this angel face, German discovery, but she can t compete with Romanian fire and kindness. Wild fucking can t compete with making love with a girl looking You in the eyes, smelling her breathe going faster.
There are some ladies in NRW who specialize in this type of client relationship. It can be expensive and or frustrating for the man. Either buy her for the entire time he is in the club or session her then watch her go off with others, then session her again later.When she is able to behave in elegant and smart way in public, as we say with new one: what happen in room is private, girls give what they want, then can be really enjoyable to have a paid sex friend taking care of you in the club, in and out of the room. When she behave like a prostitute, then I run away, no desire for such girl.
3 hours = 780€ for this angel face, German discovery.I suspect that's what had her running back to you LOL!
On last Wednesday, I met a really fresh beauty, super GFE, tender, Russian escort, Emi from VipAphrodite for 250 for 1 h, but I missed something with her, so when I left, I took appointment with my new girl in Germany, for Thursday night, for passionate Romanian fire for 150 for more than 1 h30. Sometimes You can make a girl, working on her, becoming high level for you, and she is not the first one for this, but more and more rare to find woman type beauties, also not anymore Golden years for escorts.
At Globe on Friday, I got the German busy superstar really changing when we started in bed, for first time with her. After 2 hours, many rounds and orgasmus, she told she had a booking by desk at midnight, but if she was free later, she would run to me. At 1.20 am, she arrived full smiling, telling: I didn't extend booking because I want a good fucking with You before going to sleep, asking me for orgasmus and wild fucking. 3 hours = 780 for this angel face, German discovery, but she can t compete with Romanian fire and kindness. Wild fucking can t compete with making love with a girl looking You in the eyes, smelling her breathe going faster.Siri, you claim you are poor and you go to FKK almost every weekend and spend 780 chf on one single girl among others? I would categorize that amount per girl in FKK as well off enough siri LOL.
Max I spent on one single girl in one day at FKK was 300 euro long session including anal option. And another one was few hours for 500 euro multiple cum for both sessions with mostly all I wanted to do including anal cleaning service with their tongue.
Smoke Light
09-23-18, 16:18
I always find it amusing how many men deny it openly to keep their reputation and spend rest of their lives masturbating front of computer screen instead of going to FKK every year or call escort every weekend.This is very interesting. Correlation between wide availability of internet porn and widespread prohibition of sex work around the world. Sad if it's true.
Smoke Light
09-23-18, 16:34
When she is able to behave in elegant and smart way in public, as we say with new one: what happen in room is private, girls give what they want, then can be really enjoyable to have a paid sex friend taking care of you in the club, in and out of the room. When she behave like a prostitute, then I run away, no desire for such girl.I am quite the opposite, I enjoy trashy public behavior. However, in the room these girls often become shy and more like a girlfriend, not a porn star. I think you really have to try the girl to discover her character. Most importantly, all girls, regardless of their public conduct, deserve our respect for what they do.
Member #4636
09-23-18, 18:55
Most importantly, all girls, regardless of their public conduct, deserve our respect for what they do.This is true and yes they deserve respect. The more you show them the better service you get.
This is very interesting. Correlation between wide availability of internet porn and widespread prohibition of sex work around the world. Sad if it's true.Most men denounce mongers sex life as some kind of infidel acts of evil, but same guys who denounce us mongers then go home lock the door of computer room and masturbate to porn stars we mongers paid and fucked because deep inside we mongers are who they want to be in their wildest dream. How irony this world is LOL.
Like Tony Montana in Scarface said, you don't have a gut to be who you want to be, me I don't have that problem, me I even tell the truth even when I lie, so take a look at bad guy, this is the last time you going to see bad guy monger like this again LOL.
While we are on this planet, we should do whatever make us happy and sex is big part of men's life, at least it is deep inside, it is by nature normal for us men to wanting to fuck young beautiful girls even when we are older, so I would say let do that, it is not illegal, it is just considered morally wrong, well I understand where that comes from, but I am not sorry because my penis do not agree LOL.
I suspect that's what had her running back to you LOL!No it is good manner and behavior LOL.
I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?
I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?Exactly how I feel now in my hotel room after an ok visit to Oase. I wonder what I'm chasing exactly. It cannot be orgasm because that is now much easy to attain fapping than having sex. I had a dizzy spell today after overdoing the pumping in my 1st session at Oase. Some rebound hypotension from trying too hard. Sex is becoming hard work. I feel I have reached the end of the road with women, or at least with the type of women and sex accessible to me. I feel I would need to spend 10 times what I am spending to get a kick from real sex these days (and I don't have that kind of money). If I were markedly younger / fitter I would give up real women for a while and immerse myself into drugs + phonesex on Niteflirt. Too old for that kind of shit now.
Am I visiting sex clubs not for the sex but because they are the only places where I feel 100% welcome as a lone male?
What could be worth trying to get out of this rut? Swinging? You need a talented high maintenance mistress for swinging to work, good luck finding one. Africa? Black gazelles with pornstar bodies you can fuck bareback. They are no longer as abundant as before even if you are willing to put up with the hardship and hassle of African mongering.
Sebastiane
09-24-18, 20:36
Siri,
Who was this German superstar at Globe you went with for 3 hours? A name please!
I agree the more clubs open the better.
The Cane — one solution is to take a break to recharge your batteries. The other Is to explore new areas of sex like BDSM etc.
TheCane and XXL. I can understand your ennui, after, in my case, 16 years in the clubs. XXL makes an important point for me: it is nice that there is a somewhere to go where one is welcome (although I am lucky, in that where I live, young women are friendly to old relics like me). And that as time passes, cumming can sometimes feel like hard work
Years ago I tired of spending money just to increase the total number of pussies I fucked, and started to focus more on getting the best service (sex skills wise) possible. And this for me was accompanied by the buzz of some chemistry (even if to a greater or lesser degree a stage act by the girl). It became more and more a personal interaction. Inevitable was that the bar I was setting got higher and higher. In 2016 and 2017 I was failing to find girls to meet that level, and was concluding that I was past it, too old to interest the girls (even with my euros) and bored. There were a few girls who briefly piqued my interest but nothing at the highest level.The scamming at Oase and Sharks made me think (almost) I would be better off drinking coffee on a high street and watching the passing students.
Strangely this year my perseverance has paid off. My recent trips to World and Freude found plenty of girls for me to be interested in and I am back in my old ways, counting the days until the next trip.What was the trigger?. I guess it was a combination of having "home" clubs where I was recognised and respected (as a customer), finding attractive girls who give top service with no overcharging, and finding some girls who were great at sex, and finding a new favourite (even if she is a toe-rag lol).
Not sure if this is any use to you. I guess it was a question of working out what I want to get from FKK and then searching for it.
Delta Indigo
09-24-18, 20:54
I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?I kind of understand, sometimes I feel like that too, I increasingly feel like that. Recently my attention has turned more and more to non pros, I do look a lot younger than I am according to most people and am in pretty good shape so non pros are not out of bounds for me, my guess is that applies to you as well Cane.
The truth is that we do this for the expediency of it, the ease with which we get our most exotic sexual fantasies fulfilled. There is also the joy of travelling and exploring. There is a reason why I keep changing clubs and locales, that is to keep the excitement alive.
I have been meeting non pros more and more very recently and am discovering a certain type of pleasure not available in our hobby. Of course it is not as easy to bag them, it is not a matter of just paying 50 Euros plus. But I do know what you mean.
I had a pretty easy painless divorce, financially wise, but I kind of lost my trust and confidence in women but found pros to be a breath of fresh air, at least they were honest about what they were selling and giving it to you up front. The transactional part of it was actually great. I picked up my first pro by accident in 2010, I mean I went there to bang her and she asked me for my phone number and we had sex for free the entire next day, I never paid her anything but a normal price lunch. I started getting confused after this, I had been mongering since 2005 totally devoid of feelings, or at least I thought so.
After you have done as many hookers and I have every which way, does the thrill of it start ebbing away? Do we just need a break, or can this sport only provide so many dividends. It is like drugs perhaps, you need to go stronger and stronger for the same feeling until you can't get high anymore.
I am more into non pros than I have ever been for a decade or so, however I do worry that once I get a girlfriend and become used to the sex, at the point it is no longer novel, I will try to sneak away to fkks on every opportunity.
Maybe you get bored this way and then bored that way no matter what. I do know one thing, I would never get married again.
however I do worry that once I get a girlfriend and become used to the sex, at the point it is no longer novel, I will try to sneak away to fkks on every opportunity.
Maybe you get bored this way and then bored that way no matter what. .For me, you are dead right here.
I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?Well I have come to realise that my bar goes up year by year. It doesn't always mean that the girls get worse. But my expectations goes up. I believe Optimist has a point here too. Take a break of maybe as much as a full year, and then return to see if you got the motivation back.
I am also struggling a bit with motivation. Mainly because of two things: 1. A third of the interesting girls upsells to an annoying extent moving the focus away from fun towards money, money, money. I don't want to feel like an ATM. Thankfully not all girls are like this. Yet. 2. My bar is now so high that I struggle to find top girls. And it requires a lot of time just to scout these top girls. But the dead runs where I feel the lineup is worse than last time, feels worse and worse on the motivation. Thankfully I have some top girls on whatsapp. But also the top girls are now so spread out that I feel my top 10 girls is divided on 7 or 8 clubs. And then how to choose where to go? And no clubs have more than 3 girls I am very interested in. Wellcum had over 3, but not more right now after 3 of my top 5 left.
I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?I have been mongering for over 20 years this year. I am not sure if the bored is mindset, but it is true to point out that what so called normal guys who do not get it think of wow is not wow for me anymore because I have fucked those level of girls in the way that I want pretty much also that include some girls behind screen like porn stars and celebrity before they become famous.
I think when supply is taken away from you or you never had supply, you become more longing for it.
So if you stop going to FKK or related for few years then live in middle of nowhere or in the place you cannot fuck young beautiful girl one after another, then you going to want it again if you still lust biologically.
My hurdle has gone up to be wow yes, but still when I find or more like if I find stunner level to my liking, suddenly I still got this excitement that I am going to fuck this stunner level beauty. First few time with new found young beauty is the best and after while. I do look for another stunner level beauty.
It is just that hurdle has gone up and line up is not as saturated as before so it takes time till I find the one that I consider wow stunner level, so waiting time is boring. Before it was amazing because it was sure thing in big FKK club, I found at least one new stunner on few days basis or daily when lucky.
Same apply to home, I do find wow level stunner Eurasian here that I often bareback, but that is like once or twice per year, so waiting time is boring. But in life we need something to look forward to, and I always look forward to new stunner that I have not met yet that I am going to surely fuck. Meanwhile I attend to other joys in life like sports, gourmet etc.
ExpatLover
09-25-18, 01:28
I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?What you feel is quite normal and also true for me. I remember my first FKK visit and how not demanding at all I was, today my expectations are so high that I can easily leave a club without any room, the girls must be beautiful, fresh. I will never go with a veteran girl just to get mechanical sex. Today there is a lack of newcomers in the business most of the girls are well known by me just because they move from one club to another. In the last year I saved a lot of cash because I couldn't find girls to spend it for, probably the things have not changed that much but I have changed, also the fact that knowing so many things that are behind the scene, like pimps, boy friends, husband, personal stories of some girls is not increasing my libido.
ExpatLover
09-25-18, 01:38
Exactly how I feel now in my hotel room after an ok visit to Oase. I wonder what I'm chasing exactly. It cannot be orgasm because that is now much easy to attain fapping than having sex. I had a dizzy spell today after overdoing the pumping in my 1st session at Oase. Some rebound hypotension from trying too hard. Sex is becoming hard work. I feel I have reached the end of the road with women, or at least with the type of women and sex accessible to me. I feel I would need to spend 10 times what I am spending to get a kick from real sex these days (and I don't have that kind of money). If I were markedly younger / fitter I would give up real women for a while and immerse myself into drugs + phonesex on Niteflirt. Too old for that kind of shit now.
Am I visiting sex clubs not for the sex but because they are the only places where I feel 100% welcome as a lone male?
What could be worth trying to get out of this rut? Swinging? You need a talented high maintenance mistress for swinging to work, good luck finding one. Africa? Black gazelles with pornstar bodies you can fuck bareback. They are no longer as abundant as before even if you are willing to put up with the hardship and hassle of African mongering.We should never forget that most of the mongers are more frustrated after leaving the room that when entering, you just by sex but most of us are looking for something else. It is not a problem of age.
Try to get a stable relation (what I am doing) and you will see that the sex will be so much more intense and great that with a prostitute. You just know now that all the pussy are just pussy and probably you are looking for something more complex.
I think what I probably need to do is plan to take a long break off. And then when I come back, just stick to the two places that have never let me down. That would be Brazil and Germany. I've traveled to enough other places around the world that I don't feel like I would be missing anything. It would be great to get that feeling back that I had when I first started my career going to Costa Rica, but I think that's probably long gone, and will never come back. I would fly in for 10 days or so and fuck every pretty thing to my tastes that moved! Day 1 I would slam fuck like 7 different girls and nut in every single one of them! Day 2 fuck like 4 or 5 more and cum multiple times. Day 3 fuck 1 and jizz. Then day 4 not fuck anybody hahaha! But then after that settle into a steady flow of 2 a day until the end of the trip. All different girls! Those were the days! I wasn't getting it like that back at home. And unless you're a rock star who was?
I discovered bigger and better and have not been back to Costa Rica in years. But, I will always remember it fondly because that's where I started my international mongering career. I've been planning to take time away from the hobby. I think that I will go for one more year, then go ahead and take that break without any firm thoughts about when I might come back. And when I do, I will stick almost exclusively with Brazil and Germany. Switzerland would be good too, but it's too expensive for me given the length of sessions that I enjoy (1 hour) and my strong desire for a high percentage of anal. In no other countries have I found P4P anal sex to be as prevalent as in Brazil and Germany. Not even close.
Also, I have to say that I am "afraid" to go back to non-pros. After a decade and a half of quality PSE sex with so, so many young, attractive prostitutes, I'm pretty certain that the non-pro scene could never satisfy me sexually again. So, I will be sticking with the pros for the rest of my life, and I continue to have zero interest in marriage. After all. I like saying "how much". That part of the excitement has never left me. To purchase the bodily orifices of a willing other person for my own sexual pleasures, and hopefully for hers too. I like saying how much and paying for it in an open and transparent, mutually agreed upon transaction. I like that. Yes I do.
ExpatLover
09-25-18, 06:56
I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?When you are aware that you are the 10000 or more guys fucking her and or the 10th of the day obviously you have problem to get motivated, most of the girls are so cleaned that they smell nothing, they behave like professional which is a negative point for me.
IMHO, there are two main problems:
Problem one: More girls / women a monger has sex with, higher sexual sensibility threshold he gets and therefore smaller number of WGs can make him sexually excited. After a monger had sex with hundreds (if not thousands) of WGs, fewer WGs could really turn him on.
My possible solution: IMO if a monger found a WG who still really made him sexually excited and turned him on in a FKK club, he should try to get this WG's contact info, not for chat, but for tracking her down and knowing where she is working. So next time when the monger visits the club she works, he can always at least do her in worst case if he can't find any other WG who can really turn him on. If the monger finds another girl in that club who makes him sexually excited, try to get her contact info. This should become a routine for a monger. Bear in mind, this method may cost mongers a little more because Romanian WGs, as I read on ISG, tend to ask mongers for money via contacts.
Problem two: our testosterone level is declining along with our ageing. We don't have the same sex drive as we used to have. So the same optics of WGs may not be as sexy and attractive as used to be.
My possible solution: IMO a monger should look into nutritional supplements. Personally I take the supplements of Maca, Multivitamins, Zinc, Magnesium and so on daily and have a high-fat (about 40% of daily calorie) diet. Nutritional supplements do make big difference in terms of sex drive, semen volume, refractory period (sex) and so on. (Disclaimers: I am not a medical doctor and above statements are not medical advice. Every reader should consult with his own doctor and make his own decision)
Phase one: You find FKK format and before going, you are full of doubt because just 50 euro for 30 min? Girls must be ugly.
Phase two: You decide to take a chance and actually go and try FKK and big bang happen. Wow you actually find some young hot girls in FKK and you have time of your life in FKK with sessions after sessions. Finally found sex Shangri la phase.
Phase three: You cannot wait to go back to FKK and each time you go, you go all out craving for most beautiful girls to your taste in club, addiction phase.
Phase four: At this time you are few years into FKK mongering and had multiple girls one after another to your dream taste by this time. Hurdle went up, but still fucking stunners, but what to do next phase.
Phase five: OK stunners are good optic sex, but now I want to try something new, let go for threesome, getting dick sucked by two or three girls at same time, let try anal sex, let try black girl and blonde girl at same time, let try Muslim girls etc. Experimental phase.
Phase six: You repeat phase 2 to 5 in mixture for couple of years and you begin to explore different clubs in different cities across Germany and you even may hit few towns during your FKK trip or weekend.
Phase seven: You are veteran now, and you become cross road to push it to the limit or you become bit Yoda and become bit philosophical approaching FKK or begin to get bored.
Phase eight: You may not go one year, then eventually it may seems to fade away some day, some day you want to go, then one day it pulls you right back in and phases 2 to 7 continues on and on LOL.
Like god father, when I thought I was out, they pull me right back in LOL. As long as men remain straight and able to get it up, one can never stop the FKK mongering or mongering because like pringle ad says, once you pop you cannot stop, once you monger in right way, you can never stop.
I got into mongering at age of 17 in Switzerland, ever since then, it has been big part of my life and it works as good tanqulizer and safety haven or safety net, mongering is big part of my life and I never regretted any time or money I spent on mongering and I remember every bit of it.
Somehow mongering can get nicely nostalgic and sentimental in comfortable way for me. I even remember the time surrounding mongering, like opening window after coming back to hotel from FKK and seeing the view over Frankfurt and tell my self, I lived life today etc.
Mongering brought many meaning and value to my life and surround that time of mongering trip.
I've had a few whatsapp contacts lost over the years after my girl have seen me go with another girl. In a way they feel they own me if they give me their contact info. So this is my main problem here.
When it comes to personal sex drive I found out this summer that running uphill is the best thing to do to prepare. You both increase your cardio, and lift your knees high up for great tight blood circulation.
Member #4581
09-25-18, 12:58
Supply and demand curves apply to experiences / gratification as well. Have too many good experiences, the gratification from the next good one begins to dwindle.
Those that are feeling bored, have you tried taking a very long break — say, at least 6 months to a year — and did you still feel bored at the end?
Technically, I first paid for sex nearly 30 years ago. But I have neither mongered throughout that period nor was a such prolific monger like most of you here. And my first FKK was just 5 to 6 years ago. I still have a huge amount of thrill going in on the first day of the visit. Sure, by the 4th day, all the pussies and tits start blending but the sights never cease to thrill even if the dick is not fully upto the fight.
The body and the blood flow recover in just 24 to 36 hours. I can come back from a long FKK visit having popped as many times as I can, feel that there is not one more drop left in my body, but in less than 24 hours after I land I am ready to jack off to a happy memory from the just concluded trip. Obviously, this is all in the mind and the body is just fine — I think this is true for most of us here.
HungryStud101
09-25-18, 14:05
Cane. It is time for a long break. You can get too much of a good thing. My advice is as follows:
1. Stay away from the clubs and the forums for 3-6 months. I have had to do this a few times and I always come back refreshed.
2. Find a way to break up your trips. Last trip to Europe, after my 4th FKK visit I was feeling a little disenchanted so I hoped in my rental car and drove several hundred KM to the neighboring country and I made an unplanned visit to a museum and a historical site in lieu of a 5th visit to an FKK. This tour became the highlight of my trip.
3. The hobby should be an important but secondary reason for travel. Yes, most of us hobby on business travel however. However, I have never jumped on a plane to fly to a hobby site with the sole purpose of pay-for-play. The hobby is part of a fishing or ski trip or to visit friends attend sporting events. One time it was Carnaval festivities etc. The hobby is my ulterior motive. I. E. Biking or Golf was the motive I could talk about but somehow that trip included a long layover in hobbyland. Five times I went to Montreal to attend GTs (which leads to point 4).
4. Hobby with friends. The five times in my life that I made a visit to hobby land for hobby related events was to attend GTs in Montreal and that was like a week of parties with friends and SP / WGs and I was never lonely. Some of the same guys go to Colombia in February. I would like to explore that venue as I have never been.
5. Meet people. I liked Sharks so much this year because of the organized Sauna treatments. This was really unique and fun and I am a gregarious person. I sometimes meet people to hang out with during my trips which makes the clubs so much fun.
6. Learn the language. Maybe I'm stretching here but I loved Brazil so much after the first visit that I decided to learn the language. I practice everyday. I look at a hobby trip there as a good reason to work on my Portuguese. Funny thing is that during my sessions with escorts (GDPs) I seem to learn the most Portuguese. Another funny thing is that I can practice my Portuguese with WGs all over Belgium, Spain, and Germany and the united States! The GDPs get around LOL. Now I want to learn French and German. The hobby is a great excuse and opportunity to learn language and culture for all.
These are just a few ideas but most of all you need a new hobby to delve into for the time being.
Member #4636
09-25-18, 17:22
I think what I probably need to do is plan to take a long break off. And then when I come back, just stick to the two places that have never let me down. That would be Brazil and Germany. I've traveled to enough other places around the world that I don't feel like I would be missing anything. It would be great to get that feeling back that I had when I first started my career going to Costa Rica, but I think that's probably long gone, and will never come back. I would fly in for 10 days or so and fuck every pretty thing to my tastes that moved! Day 1 I would slam fuck like 7 different girls and nut in every single one of them! Day 2 fuck like 4 or 5 more and cum multiple times. Day 3 fuck 1 and jizz. Then day 4 not fuck anybody hahaha! But then after that settle into a steady flow of 2 a day until the end of the trip. All different girls! Those were the days! I wasn't getting it like that back at home. And unless you're a rock star who was?
I discovered bigger and better and have not been back to Costa Rica in years. But, I will always remember it fondly because that's where I started my international mongering career. I've been planning to take time away from the hobby. I think that I will go for one more year, then go ahead and take that break without any firm thoughts about when I might come back..Wow! What do you do for living and how much have you spent approx in your mongering career? I think you have done a life most of us are dreaming of.
The hobby should be an important but secondary reason for travel. Yes, most of us hobby on business travel however. However, I have never jumped on a plane to fly to a hobby site with the sole purpose of pay-for-play. The hobby is part of a fishing or ski trip or to visit friends attend sporting events. One time it was Carnaval festivities etc. The hobby is my ulterior motive. I. E. Biking or Golf was the motive I could talk about but somehow that trip included a long layover in hobbyland. Five times I went to Montreal to attend GTs. These are just a few ideas but most of all you need a new hobby to delve into for the time being.My number one hobby (long before mongering) has always been international travel. And then when I discovered the whole world of overseas sport fucking. Well, you all know the rest! Do you know how many guys out there still don't know about the extent of this "hobby"? My dream job is to have one of those traveling food shows. I would call mine "Hind Parts Unknown" LOLOLOL! I travel, I eat, I drink, I fuck. And I write! And I'm hungry for more! Why Tony, why? Rest in peace my friend.
But serious though, I hear you Hungry Stud, and I have already decided long ago that when I retire, except for going to Brazil and Germany, mongering will not dictate where I choose to travel. I still have many places yet to see, and as long as I am able and have the means, then I intend to see them too. And it won't matter to me if it's a good mongering destination or not. If there's some action to be had on the side great! And if not, then not. You're right. We need to take a break every now and then. Mix it up. Travel for the sake of the travel, and not just to get some PSE-quality tute puss and ass.
TheCane. Your plan sounds good to me.I like you enjoy the commercial element: see a girl, offer money, fuck, then (usually) goodbye.
But we are all different. We all find our own path. For example, HungryStud, I see you do the hobby as secondary to your main reason for visits. I am the opposite. When I do a hobby visit I cannot do anything else, I hate to miss a minute. Each to his own.
Also, I have to say that I am "afraid" to go back to non-pros. After a decade and a half of quality PSE sex with so, so many young, attractive prostitutes, I'm pretty certain that the non-pro scene could never satisfy me sexually again.I agree. Civilian girls from a purely physical standpoint do not satisfy me. However, there is a mental high for me when I have sex with a civilian girl that very first time, even if she might not be attractive as most of the WGs I pay for. Knowing that she is not tracking the time and expecting payment makes the sex that much sex better. But after a month, of course, that euphoria of free sex goes away as well.
It intrigues me how hardcore-mongers (most of us anyway) place such a high emphasis on optics and physical beauty. Is it nature or nurture? In other words, is it a chemical imbalance in our brains? Or deeper psychological issues? For instance, as I have said before, many people from poor backgrounds engage in conspicuous consumption. They grew up poor and society looked down on them. Once they start making some money, they spend a disproportionate amount of their income on flashy "visible goods" (I. E. designer purses, expensive sports cars, jewelry, and watches). It validates them. Could hardcore mongers have similar issues? Perhaps failure with civilian women in real-life during our teens causes us to develop expensive, insatiable appetite for only the most beautiful women later in life?
At the same time, I have spoken with many older mongers (both in terms of age and years in the game) who have uttered fatherly advice with the phrase "I know she is not much to look at, but. " So they have moved beyond physical attractiveness.
I had a pretty easy painless divorce, financially wise, but I kind of lost my trust and confidence in women but found pros to be a breath of fresh air, at least they were honest about what they were selling and giving it to you up front. The transactional part of it was actually great.Why did you lose your trust in women if you escaped relatively unscathed financially? Is it because she made an attempt at a money grab and failed? I've never been married, but I can see (and have heard) how expensive it can be.
That said the early dating-phase has always been cheap for me. Back in August I had a Tinder date with a 26-year-old German girl. The restaurant that I picked out, just by chance uses a plastic card system (similar to wristband system at Sharks where you pay upon check-out). When she got up from the table to go to the toilet, I used my card to get us a second round of beers. She didn't have any cash on her, but she wanted to exchange banking information so she could repay the money to me. I told her 4,50 EUR was not worth the effort for me to fiddle with my smartphone. We went back to her flat. We finished an old bottle of her vodka. And I slept there. The date cost me 5 EUR. Most Western girls will offer to pay for things.
I will admit that my lifestyle is low-maintenance. So I don't attract gold diggers. The few times I have attracted a gold digger, by accident, I made sure not to get attached, and got rid of them after we had sex a few times. To me, if I am going to keep a gold-digger around, I might as well just pay for a prostitute.
Delta Indigo
09-25-18, 20:19
Why did you lose your trust in women if you escaped relatively unscathed financially? Is it because she made an attempt at a money grab and failed? I've never been married, but I can see (and have heard) how expensive it can be.
That said the early dating-phase has always been cheap for me. Back in August I had a Tinder date with a 26-year-old German girl. The restaurant that I picked out, just by chance uses a plastic card system (similar to wristband system at Sharks where you pay upon check-out). When she got up from the table to go to the toilet, I used my card to get us a second round of beers. She didn't have any cash on her, but she wanted to exchange banking information so she could repay the money to me. I told her 4,50 EUR was not worth the effort for me to fiddle with my smartphone. We went back to her flat. We finished an old bottle of her vodka. And I slept there. The date cost me 5 EUR. Most Western girls will offer to pay for things.
I will admit that my lifestyle is low-maintenance. So I don't attract gold diggers. The few times I have attracted a gold digger, by accident, I made sure not to get attached, and got rid of them after we had sex a few times. To me, if I am going to keep a gold-digger around, I might as well just pay for a prostitute.She didn't make any attempt to get anything and I had a significant amount of assets, I kept my assets and she kept her asset, like we were never married. We were very close although we were living quite separate lives during the last two years, she just announced one day that she wanted out without a substantive explanation of any kind. To this day when people ask me why I got divorced I just have nothing to tell them.
I think it was something equivalent to the 7 year itch, relationships come under stress during various points and we were leading quite independent lives for a while. I think she might have had been in the incipient phases of an affair, but wanted to end the marriage promptly without telling me, although I am far from sure about this.
There are tons of women, young and pretty ones who will hang out with you without demanding much in return, however very few of them tend to be Romanian in my experience. The pros I have picked up and had for free are always non Romanians. I did not mean to make a blanket statement here, but I guess I did.
Sorry I have diverged from my original answer. It is important to know how to spot a gold digger, I agree with you on this.
ExpatLover
09-25-18, 20:52
She didn't make any attempt to get anything and I had a significant amount of assets, I kept my assets and she kept her asset, like we were never married. We were very close although we were living quite separate lives during the last two years, she just announced one day that she wanted out without a substantive explanation of any kind. To this day when people ask me why I got divorced I just have nothing to tell them.
I think it was something equivalent to the 7 year itch, relationships come under stress during various points and we were leading quite independent lives for a while. I think she might have had been in the incipient phases of an affair, but wanted to end the marriage promptly without telling me, although I am far from sure about this.
There are tons of women, young and pretty ones who will hang out with you without demanding much in return, however very few of them tend to be Romanian in my experience. The pros I have picked up and had for free are always non Romanians. I did not mean to make a blanket statement here, but I guess I did.
Sorry I have diverged from my original answer. It is important to know how to spot a gold digger, I agree with you on this.Fucking Romanian girls for free is quite challenging because 80 % of them have a stable relation with their pimp, BF or husband, this is the main culture of the country.
I've had a few whatsapp contacts lost over the years after my girl have seen me go with another girl. In a way they feel they own me if they give me their contact info. So this is my main problem here.
What you said is true if you didn't do any session with the WG you contacted with, but most of FKK mongers don't just do one session when they visit a club and they do at least 2 sessions. You should do at least one and first session with the WG you contacted with. If you do one and first session with this WG, I don't think she will be upset to see you doing other WG (s) after the session with her because she knows that most of tourist mongers do more than one session per club visit.
When it comes to personal sex drive I found out this summer that running uphill is the best thing to do to prepare. You both increase your cardio, and lift your knees high up for great tight blood circulation.In my life I have tried (and am still trying by the way) everything you can think of to better my sex drive and sex performance, including what you did. My conclusion so far is that nothing is better than nutritional supplements if you have right formula of supplements. After reading your above statement, I am pretty sure that you didn't experiment any supplements or you had wrong formula when you experimented.
Happiness is each their own.
Some need companion, some need attention, some need so called love whether it is real or not and some need just sex.
I need mostly sex from beautiful girls and I like to change the beautiful girls I have sex on very occasionally.
I cannot enforce what make me happy, fulfilled, satisfied or alive etc. , but for me being stuck with old woman year after year is not a happiness for my taste.
I am fortunate to have base of life like eating among best food 3 times per day, I traveled extensively around world since young age, I live in safe nation etc, so it make sense for me to pursue what is all men's dream by nature, but only few will achieve which is in area of lust, fucking many beautiful girls from different nations, skin colors, religion, cultures, doing threesome getting two blonde or blonde white girl and black girl blowing me at same time etc.
All straight men dream of having sex with girls from around world, this actually is very achievable dream now for past let say 20 years given that prostitution industry began giving us easier access by providing us with many innovative platform, it is just that many men are stuck with blocked thinking and never bother to pursue it seriously by researching deeply and actually going to places. It cost, but now in recent 20 years, price become reasonable level to achieve if you work hard in developed nations.
Happiness is each their own, but I stick to human nature of greed and lust is one of them, I like to fulfill lust with many beautiful girls.
Been there, done that in multiple ways all around and also knowing it is there make us think we are getting bored with it.
However, it does not change the fact that only some of us men are fortunate enough to solve the demand / need in lust department of our life, this is actually rare thing.
I never forget that ever since I was child I always wanted fuck beautiful girls as I want from all different skin colors etc. And it happened into reality. Years has passed since I have been doing it over and over again and again, but with different beauty, and I am still blessed that all of these things that are rare for many men that became norm for me. I began at age 17 or 18 years old, so now it has been about 20 years passed since then. The girl I fucked back then who were 20's must be like in their 40's now.
We often forget what we used to dream or fantasized about once these things become into reality and then with repetition norm, but I am sure some of you also know many men at work or friends of yours so longing to fuck all these stunner beauty, but failed to do that and still wanking front of computer screen as their way of fulfilling their dream or sexual fantasies. We mongers are made man in that area.
Lust is one of human nature and dream for men. So in away we managed to live in our dream.
I do need more better lineup as FKK once used to be though LOL Like everything it got up and down, and I still do find stunners during every trip, not as many as before, but I am always excited to walk in to FKK floor upon landing to see who are there, which new beauty may walk into FKK floor.
For mongers, destiny and karma are new young beauty who walks in to FKK main floor while monger is there LOL.
Pahllus Maximus
09-26-18, 05:48
Mr Ho and others would do well to read Alexander King's "Mine Enemy Grows Older". He talks (in 1958) of being an Austrian immigrant to the USA, a morphine addict and the reasons and joys of some 3-4 wives he had. Love is sometimes transient. He points out that many people are dragging an old heavy wagon (a relationship) and the load has gone rotten by familiarity, lack of respect, lack of trust, lack of lust and so on. Women have a limited reproductive shelf life and looks, that's just nature. Men are mostly fertile to death and even afterwards if harvested. And women are available and are less worried about age. It is security and love they seek.
Like many mongers here, I stopped counting a long time ago, but it would be hundreds of women I have had, just like restaurants. Some I relish and are loyal too. Others were bad, but on the whole I have done well, and made friends with a few mongers. There is no right or wrong way to get food, shelter or sex, people would laugh at the idea of only one supermarket or house for life. Or that one has to pay for certain things. Why is sex any different? We are designed to want to bed beautiful young women who give sexual joy and radiate life and health. Sex is an affirmation of life force itself.
Buried under this is the deep and critical social and economic imperative of 2. 1 live births per female to create economic units. Mongering is the milk without the cow and strikes at the heart of a flawed social contract of breed, consume and die.
Mr Ho and others would do well to read Alexander King's "Mine Enemy Grows Older". He talks (in 1958) of being an Austrian immigrant to the USA, a morphine addict and the reasons and joys of some 3-4 wives he had. Love is sometimes transient. He points out that many people are dragging an old heavy wagon (a relationship) and the load has gone rotten by familiarity, lack of respect, lack of trust, lack of lust and so on. Women have a limited reproductive shelf life and looks, that's just nature. Men are mostly fertile to death and even afterwards if harvested. And women are available and are less worried about age. It is security and love they seek.
Like many mongers here, I stopped counting a long time ago, but it would be hundreds of women I have had, just like restaurants. Some I relish and are loyal too. Others were bad, but on the whole I have done well, and made friends with a few mongers. There is no right or wrong way to get food, shelter or sex, people would laugh at the idea of only one supermarket or house for life. Or that one has to pay for certain things. Why is sex any different? We are designed to want to bed beautiful young women who give sexual joy and radiate life and health. Sex is an affirmation of life force itself.
Buried under this is the deep and critical social and economic imperative of 2. 1 live births per female to create economic units. Mongering is the milk without the cow and strikes at the heart of a flawed social contract of breed, consume and die.I collect memories of fucking beautiful girls, best foods I ate around world from different cuisine from expensive to cheap, ambience / feeling / senses of beautiful places I went and repeat.
I get bored with girlfriend, but I never get bored with above because it never runs out and each time is new experience all over again.
Happiness is each their own, and I found mine long ago, but it took awhile to figure it out because society tells me different opinion in area of lust. I mean I prefer to change girls often and I want her to be beautiful.
She didn't make any attempt to get anything and I had a significant amount of assets, I kept my assets and she kept her asset, like we were never married. We were very close although we were living quite separate lives during the last two years, she just announced one day that she wanted out without a substantive explanation of any kind. To this day when people ask me why I got divorced I just have nothing to tell them.
I think it was something equivalent to the 7 year itch, relationships come under stress during various points and we were leading quite independent lives for a while. I think she might have had been in the incipient phases of an affair, but wanted to end the marriage promptly without telling me, although I am far from sure about this.
There are tons of women, young and pretty ones who will hang out with you without demanding much in return, however very few of them tend to be Romanian in my experience. The pros I have picked up and had for free are always non Romanians. I did not mean to make a blanket statement here, but I guess I did.
Sorry I have diverged from my original answer. It is important to know how to spot a gold digger, I agree with you on this.It sounds like you exited with only emotional damage. I understand that pain plus. I married a woman who entered the relationship with nothing. At that time I couldn't imagine how it would be to have so little in the world. When she left, she left me with nothing plus emotional the scars. Fortunately I chose the financial buy out up front instead of the payments for life option. This left me with the option to recover financially and now I give what would probably be her alimony to women in the club.
Does it seem to anyone else that the €50 cost for extras is creeping more and more into NRW clubs? I've run across this about 10 times in the past month in clubs that have traditionally been €25 for extras and more and more girls have new ideas of what is extra. I recently had a session with a base price of €100 but had I bought her extras I would have ended at €250. This behavior from the ladies will turn me into a 30 minute specialist. That will mean a lot less happy endings but the body count will surge.
Professional mongers are master of good living.
Smoke Light
09-26-18, 14:08
Cane. It is time for a long break. You can get too much of a good thing. My advice is as follows:
1. Stay away from the clubs and the forums for 3-6 months. I have had to do this a few times and I always come back refreshed.HungryStud101,
Could you clarify the actual format of such 3-6 months break away from clubs? Is this mostly (a) abstinence from orgasms altogether (b) periodic masturbation in shower or in bed (c) masturbation in front of a computer screen (d) sex with a local WG / GF or something else?
Member #4636
09-26-18, 17:09
I have been many times to FKK clubs over the past months. Each time I am very excited before and I am also excited when I am about to enter the club. What happens inside makes me feel like I am in a nirvana or something and the next day I try to remember some details from my experience and I remember only a few things. I hardly remember names but what is most disappointing is that I don't remember details from the fucking parts. What I did with this lady and what I did with the other. When some days pass it is just like a light shade in my life, I don't remember many things and if I really enjoyed. I do not take drugs or smoke and I don't even drink alcohol, I just eat light food in the club and have some coffees, water and coke. That'a all.
So if someone asks me a week later how was the fucking with a specific lady I don't have much to tell him. At the end of the day I find myself flying back and wondering if the money I spent was worth it. I cannot explain this, I think it is something like overloaded joy that makes me numb at the end. Does anyone else have similar experience? (I doubt).
I am quite the opposite, I enjoy trashy public behavior. However, in the room these girls often become shy and more like a girlfriend, not a porn star. I think you really have to try the girl to discover her character. Most importantly, all girls, regardless of their public conduct, deserve our respect for what they do.Public exhibition is killing desire for me, I can't desire a girl I see kissing or sucking a guy. Not my image for sex. I stopped with 2 girls I really loved, seeing them in public exhibition, and I m thinking to stop with my 2 Romanian GF at Globe, Globe is high level but complicated for me about public sex.
Sebastiane
09-26-18, 22:28
You need to visit Globe in Zurich and Aphrodisia and you will find a whole new batch of lovelies to make love to! To me it seems like a lot of the best looking girls and best performers from Germany move to Globe (and some go the other way too. Germany is still a great place for mongering).
Does it seem to anyone else that the 50 cost for extras is creeping more and more into NRW clubs? I've run across this about 10 times in the past month in clubs that have traditionally been 25 for extras and more and more girls have new ideas of what is extra. I recently had a session with a base price of 100 but had I bought her extras I would have ended at 250. This behavior from the ladies will turn me into a 30 minute specialist. That will mean a lot less happy endings but the body count will surge.For Nrw, my way is to go for longer session with some extra like CIM few times cum depending hour I decide to go for or if she upsell then she get 50 euro 30 min session with hardcore doggy bang session powered by cialis rock hard penis that is it. Oceans seems to be only upsell club, I never faced any upsell in gt or LR so far.
For Palace and Artemis, it is different ball game, it has been up sell since day one I walked in (not for Artemis before around 2013 it was not that bad). I do buy into some mild upsell exchange for service, but if it is too much I just go for 50 euro 30 min session with hardcore doggy fuck, then out of the room.
With some girls upsell can get you unforgettable service that is so good, but some it is just not worth it even with upsell because some girls are half there.
If upsell get too much then I shift to Zurich globe.
LaBambaBoy
09-26-18, 23:00
I have been many times to FKK clubs over the past months. Each time I am very excited before and I am also excited when I am about to enter the club. What happens inside makes me feel like I am in a nirvana or something and the next day I try to remember some details from my experience and I remember only a few things. I hardly remember names but what is most disappointing is that I don't remember details from the fucking parts. What I did with this lady and what I did with the other. When some days pass it is just like a light shade in my life, I don't remember many things and if I really enjoyed. I do not take drugs or smoke and I don't even drink alcohol, I just eat light food in the club and have some coffees, water and coke. That'a all.
So if someone asks me a week later how was the fucking with a specific lady I don't have much to tell him. At the end of the day I find myself flying back and wondering if the money I spent was worth it. I cannot explain this, I think it is something like overloaded joy that makes me numb at the end. Does anyone else have similar experience? (I doubt).This use to happen to me. I got in the habit of taking a single mental snapshot of some part of the session, and really remembering it. Now, I can flick back through girls and remember them in one position, and how I felt at the time. Takes some work (not always in shape to concentrate LOL), but it has worked for me.
Smoke Light
09-27-18, 00:23
Public exhibition is killing desire for me, I can't desire a girl I see kissing or sucking a guy. Not my image for sex. I stopped with 2 girls I really loved, seeing them in public exhibition, and I m thinking to stop with my 2 Romanian GF at Globe, Globe is high level but complicated for me about public sex.Sirioja,
My respect, thanks for sharing. It must work well when you schedule a specific time with your favorite lady via WhatsApp. I am directly opposite. When my favorite girl wants to go to the room, I tell her, baby, go fuck a few guys before me to make me happy. And I watch this beautiful stunner approach some ugly bear like me, smile at him, jump on his lap, kiss, reach under the robe to play with dick and so on. I sit somewhere on the opposite couch and she secretly makes an eye contact with me: look, bastard, I do this foreplay for you, you fucking pervert. This shit and MMF turns me on like nothing else. Interesting fantasies can develop after many rooms and real sympathy between you and her. These girls are amazing.
You need to visit Globe in Zurich and Aphrodisia and you will find a whole new batch of lovelies to make love to! To me it seems like a lot of the best looking girls and best performers from Germany move to Globe (and some go the other way too. Germany is still a great place for mongering).Yes, I went to globe Zurich once on Sunday, it was as it says for service level being really good, good brunch, but LU was good with some limitation lower than I expected. I have to say I put my expectation too high and it was on Sunday too.
I will shift to Zurich if German FKK upsell get too much, but for now it is still possible to handle level. I will however might do fly in to Zurich one night sleep 2 days Globe Zurich.
Aphrodisia I never went, but I fucked few girls in palace who says to work at Aphrodisia.
For now, let us push German FKK while BBBJ among other is still there are reasonable cost, if not why bother to negotiate etc. , then to Zurich.
HungryStud101
09-27-18, 02:34
HungryStud101,
Could you clarify the actual format of such 3-6 months break away from clubs? Is this mostly (a) abstinence from orgasms altogether (b) periodic masturbation in shower or in bed (c) masturbation in front of a computer screen (d) sex with a local WG / GF or something else?I stay away from the forums and hobby localities. In a few weeks or maybe days I will probably leave the forum until I am ready to go back. I like to write so I get lost in several good books and write book reviews. I have many other diversions besides this hobby and I get lost in this life as well. I will still polish the saber to a porn hub video or two but it is the forums like this I take a break from. At least that is my intention. There are no local WGs where I live and I stopped trying to hobby in the US in general because it is so expensive and such a hassle. Once in awhile I will act on a tip and see a US provider but I try to save my baby sitting money for trips outside the country.
I know guys that will go cold turkey from masturbation and they swear by it. Not me.
Sirioja,
My respect, thanks for sharing. It must work well when you schedule a specific time with your favorite lady via WhatsApp. I am directly opposite. When my favorite girl wants to go to the room, I tell her, baby, go fuck a few guys before me to make me happy. And I watch this beautiful stunner approach some ugly bear like me, smile at him, jump on his lap, kiss, reach under the robe to play with dick and so on. I sit somewhere on the opposite couch and she secretly makes an eye contact with me: look, bastard, I do this foreplay for you, you fucking pervert. This shit and MMF turns me on like nothing else. Interesting fantasies can develop after many rooms and real sympathy between you and her. These girls are amazing.Even I have for my regular girls, but I never book them, because I like the feeling they get free for me. As I answer to Kate who tell me why I don t take appointment and she will be free for me, if she is not free for me, I don t desire her, I let her to her other business and I try to find another girl, not easy to find at GT at the moment, it was easier for me at Aca, among Turkish.
I can't compete with you for your prostitute fantasy, not my image of women, I didn't need all this to stop, just seeing kissing was enough to make me tell them: I can't enjoy anymore to kiss you, so no more desire for you. One was very angry, a smart girl becoming a real prostitute. One stayed really lovely and I loved her even no more room.
You need to visit Globe in Zurich and Aphrodisia and you will find a whole new batch of lovelies to make love to! To me it seems like a lot of the best looking girls and best performers from Germany move to Globe (and some go the other way too. Germany is still a great place for mongering).Besides Globe and Aphrodesia, I also fucked in BumsAlp which was just as good as Globe in terms of optics and performance, but of course much smaller. So smaller selection of girls, but BumsAlp was good and recommended.
HungryStud101,
Could you clarify the actual format of such 3-6 months break away from clubs? Is this mostly (a) abstinence from orgasms altogether (b) periodic masturbation in shower or in bed (c) masturbation in front of a computer screen (d) sex with a local WG / GF or something else?Actually you can meditate, walk up and down mountains and exercise hard an hour and a half every day to use up your testosterone. After 3-6 months you will both have a better physique for fucking longer sessions, and be so horny that even the girls at Penelope and Dietzenbach will get you erect from visual stimulation.
There are quite a few religions / theologic schools who teach these things. Normally as to save yourself before marrige.
For Nrw, my way is to go for longer session with some extra like CIM few times cum depending hour I decide to go for or if she upsell then she get 50 euro 30 min session with hardcore doggy bang session powered by cialis rock hard penis that is it. Oceans seems to be only upsell club, I never faced any upsell in gt or LR so far.
For Palace and Artemis, it is different ball game, it has been up sell since day one I walked in (not for Artemis before around 2013 it was not that bad). I do buy into some mild upsell exchange for service, but if it is too much I just go for 50 euro 30 min session with hardcore doggy fuck, then out of the room.
With some girls upsell can get you unforgettable service that is so good, but some it is just not worth it even with upsell because some girls are half there.
If upsell get too much then I shift to Zurich globe.I have been offered €50 extras 3 times at LR and have rwo friends that faced the €50 price for extras at the locker. I have been asked for 50 extra for kissing by one in GT, I told her 30 minutes and nothing else. I've had two offers of €50 extras at Bab. The common theme for all of these ladies, except for one, they used to work in Frankfurt. I even heard one in LR preaching this crap at LR to other women. I told her if it's so great at Palace she should go back there. Then I told the other woman, she has been making the club circuit for the last year. She has a nice body but after a month in the club the clients stay away from her.
I will admit that I've paid €50 extras to two women but I really wanted those extras at the moment and at the moment there was a low chance of finishing without them. I also admit that I have left many rooms without a finish. My mistake in the inflated extras was negotiating while at the brink. Never a good idea. As for hard doggie, I'll have to keep that in mind.
I stay away from the forums and hobby localities. In a few weeks or maybe days I will probably leave the forum until I am ready to go back. I like to write so I get lost in several good books and write book reviews. I have many other diversions besides this hobby and I get lost in this life as well. I will still polish the saber to a porn hub video or two but it is the forums like this I take a break from. At least that is my intention. There are no local WGs where I live and I stopped trying to hobby in the US in general because it is so expensive and such a hassle. Once in awhile I will act on a tip and see a US provider but I try to save my baby sitting money for trips outside the country.
I know guys that will go cold turkey from masturbation and they swear by it. Not me.Why would you decide to stay away from heaven on earth called FKK?
My expectation went up throughout the years of mongering, but I am professional hetero-sexual who can never get enough of more new beautiful girls to fuck in all 3 holes, I love changing skin colors and ethnicity of beautiful girls too.
It is each their own, but being in the position where you can fuck so many beautiful girl is prestige in every sense of world, also we are born in lucky era, it was not liberal and reasonable and easily access before as this recent decade.
Well buddies, who choose to focus more on monk style things in life, I will do monk things, but I will also keep on mongering, it is oxygen and gravity for me, it is like nutrition for me to fuck new young beautiful girls with different skin colors every year LOL!
I knew genetically modified food may have such a hormone impacts on men LOL!
Once upon time, old monger told me, every penny not spent in life on beautiful prostitute is waste of money and life.
I agree, when you see new young beautiful prostitute anywhere in world, jump as soon as possible with money on your hand LOL.
I know guys that will go cold turkey from masturbation and they swear by it. Not me.A number of studies have concluded that regular ejaculation is good for the physical health of a man. A reduced level of ejaculation is associated with an increased probability of maladies such as prostate cancer. So yank way hahaha! Isn't it funny how, say from middle school on when you're old enough to start talking about jerking off, you'd be laughed at and shamed right on into university for extolling the value of masturbation LOL! Well, as you get older and mature, you realize and accept it as a basic fact of life. Human beings seek physical pleasure, and cranking off is one of those LOL! For you guys with sons, how did you deal with that haha! Never mind LOL! Women beat that clit too let me tell you. Had plenty of girlfriends admit to that shit.
SmokeLight. You are not alone in liking your "appointment" girl to be seen to be going with other guys while you act like the special guy who is so chilled and confident of her affection (LOL) that he can wait. Like you I think the conspiratorial element is fun: the girl tells you all about her sessions. It was even better when there was more public action. Also a girl who has already made her minimum target for the day is more relaxed when she gets to me.
So many games to create the illusion. It is a way of adding value to the session. Call me weird I don't mind :D
This use to happen to me. I got in the habit of taking a single mental snapshot of some part of the session, and really remembering it. Now, I can flick back through girls and remember them in one position, and how I felt at the time. Takes some work (not always in shape to concentrate LOL), but it has worked for me.Mental snapshots. Great technique. Thumbs up.
I occasionally now will ask the girl to do a (non sex) video on my phone. And sometimes I have even written down things they say. One guy has a huge library of self made sex videos of the girls he goes with.
If I have a good session then some of the physical sensations stay in my mind, but they fade over the years:(
Member #4636
09-27-18, 17:11
This use to happen to me. I got in the habit of taking a single mental snapshot of some part of the session, and really remembering it. Now, I can flick back through girls and remember them in one position, and how I felt at the time. Takes some work (not always in shape to concentrate LOL), but it has worked for me.I am not sure I can take mental snapshots in FKK clubs because what is missing is the emotion. It is the emotion that makes you take the click of the shot in your brain.
I will give it a try on next visit though.
ExpatLover
09-27-18, 20:36
I am not sure I can take mental snapshots in FKK clubs because what is missing is the emotion. It is the emotion that makes you take the click of the shot in your brain.
I will give it a try on next visit though.Getting emotion in a FKK with prostitutes, let us be a little bit serious, emotion have nothing to do with money, when we are paying for sex all the emotion are gone at least for me.
Smoke Light
09-27-18, 21:10
SmokeLight. You are not alone in liking your "appointment" girl to be seen to be going with other guys while you act like the special guy who is so chilled and confident of her affection (LOL) that he can wait. Like you I think the conspiratorial element is fun: the girl tells you all about her sessions. It was even better when there was more public action. Also a girl who has already made her minimum target for the day is more relaxed when she gets to me.
So many games to create the illusion. It is a way of adding value to the session. Call me weird I don't mind :DLOL, thanks for your support. Lust, humor, fantasy, public sex, dancing, friendship, couch play, mirrors, FFM, MMF, lingerie, toys, anal, other extras. "Sexually obsessed psychopath" I was called once by my favorite while she unrolled her London strawberry condom on me. Life is good.
Speaking of public action: plenty of it in Samya during busy Koln messe weeks. Just go to the third floor kino in the morning wee hours when all the rooms are busy.
A number of studies have concluded that regular ejaculation is good for the physical health of a man. A reduced level of ejaculation is associated with an increased probability of maladies such as prostate cancer. So yank way hahaha! Isn't it funny how, say from middle school on when you're old enough to start talking about jerking off, you'd be laughed at and shamed right on into university for extolling the value of masturbation LOL! Well, as you get older and mature, you realize and accept it as a basic fact of life. Human beings seek physical pleasure, and cranking off is one of those LOL! For you guys with sons, how did you deal with that haha! Never mind LOL! Women beat that clit too let me tell you. Had plenty of girlfriends admit to that shit.If someone catch us going to FKK, then we got excuses now.
We can tell them, we are going to special clinic in Germany for medical treatment for keeping our pipes clean to prevent prostate cancer LOL LOL.
FKK clinic prevent prostate cancer keeping your pipes clean and neat LOL.
Member #4581
09-28-18, 02:44
Do the Guys that write here (who are also supposed to be somewhat frequent mongers that have fucked hundreds of women if not many more) really need advice and discussion on whether to masturbate or not, how often to do it, how to do it, etc etc. at the somewhat advanced ages that most of us are around here? One would think that is such a fundamental aspect of your sex life that you have figured it by now.
No question that regular release is a biological need and an emotional positive. For both men and women. Going monk or "dry" is fine as well, it's just not for me. A test of wills, and I imagine the eventual release after weeks or months of holding back is mind blowing. But I'll take the regular drip drip drip of occasional mongering and frequent fapping.
Now, how do I get into one of these "studies" where I get paid to ejaculate?
A number of studies have concluded that regular ejaculation is good for the physical health of a man. A reduced level of ejaculation is associated with an increased probability of maladies such as prostate cancer. So yank way hahaha! Isn't it funny how, say from middle school on when you're old enough to start talking about jerking off, you'd be laughed at and shamed right on into university for extolling the value of masturbation LOL! Well, as you get older and mature, you realize and accept it as a basic fact of life. Human beings seek physical pleasure, and cranking off is one of those LOL! For you guys with sons, how did you deal with that haha! Never mind LOL! Women beat that clit too let me tell you. Had plenty of girlfriends admit to that shit.
No question that regular release is a biological need and an emotional positive. For both men and women. Going monk or "dry" is fine as well, it's just not for me. A test of wills, and I imagine the eventual release after weeks or months of holding back is mind blowing. But I'll take the regular drip drip drip of occasional mongering and frequent fapping.
Now, how do I get into one of these "studies" where I get paid to ejaculate?So we can say that we mongers are going to Germany for medical treatment conducted by mostly Romanian doctors who specialize in penis pipe cleaning surgery LOL The surgery methods can be done by mouth, vagina or anal depending on how much patient is willing to pay LOL.
Do the Guys that write here (who are also supposed to be somewhat frequent mongers that have fucked hundreds of women if not many more) really need advice and discussion on whether to masturbate or not, how often to do it, how to do it, etc etc. at the somewhat advanced ages that most of us are around here? One would think that is such a fundamental aspect of your sex life that you have figured it by now.Do it every day, just do not use masturbation holes or if you choose to use masturbation holes, then do not be stingy with gel, other wise you will suffer with dick cutting syndrome LOL! I am not joking, it took me one year to fix my dick after finding out how good Japanese masturbation holes are over using it without not enough gel LOL!
When you do masturbate, be sure to use facebook or instagram photos of FKK girls you fucked and exchanged sns information before she kicked you out of her sns list LOL! As soon as they connect you, you have to save picture as straight away ASAP because normally they disconnect you within matter of some time, so as long as you save as right away, you have plenty of photos to masturbate to for rest of your life as photo of her that you fucked never stay old even though she will LOL!
As for escort, try to film it, then you got your own porn LOL! Thanks god cameras are getting smaller and smaller, go pro! And go pro monger! And go pro masturbaters LOL!
Kosher Kowboy
09-28-18, 15:45
Do it every day
When you do masturbate, be sure to use facebook or instagram photos of FKK girls you fucked and exchanged sns information Mr. Ho,
I failed in my duties last night. I have now been home just two full nights and thought I was over the jetlag so after the TNF game between the Rams and the Vikings concluded I got out my iPad and a roll of paper towels to take matters in to my own hand but at 5:30 AM woke up fully clothed on my couch and the Ipad on my chest still powered off. Never got around to things. Might be a costly mistake now that I am awake and able to pay for it today so hopefully I can be strong and not give in to my desires and either make it till tonight or pass out early again. Save me $100 if I can.
We guys can be quite visual but I tend to lean on PornHub for my visuals rather than pics in the phone or computer etc. I also like to think of girls past, present and future mentally sometimes from memory which can be crystal clear at times as I can concentrate on the ' task in hand' rather than having to play with one and use a mouse to scroll with the other. Multi tasking sucks unless it is of course a Nein Vashed Gypsy sitting on your face while another one rides you.
JNPR30 has a great point that we all should know our own sex lives and jerking off etc by now but my sex life so to say is always changing which brings jerking off in to play needing an adjustment over time as well especially as I have aged and am no longer the young buck I was when I started 30 years ago. That being said I have to balance too much self stimulation prior to trips and abstinence prior to trips greater than I ever did before when was young (Aging is not fun, almost on the wrong side of 50).
So I personally don't mind the discussions of jerking / wanking as it can have an effect on ones trips and I like to get the maximum bang for the Euro when I travel so I always do enjoy talking such with guys. I actually had a discussion this past week at Day Care with a gent who drives down once a week usually on weekends from the Cologne area. He tells me he jerks off and has a sliding scale so to say. For every Gypsy he plans to nail (2-3 a day and usually makes 1 or 2 day trips) that he upon return to Cologne Saturday or Sunday night decides if he will go to Day Care 1 or 2 times the following weekend so if he plans one day he abstains 2-3 days prior and if he plans a two day trip meaning 5-6 zimmers he holds off 5-6 days (one for each pounding) often all week sometimes.
Do the Guys that write here (who are also supposed to be somewhat frequent mongers that have fucked hundreds of women if not many more) really need advice and discussion on whether to masturbate or not, how often to do it, how to do it, etc etc. at the somewhat advanced ages that most of us are around here? One would think that is such a fundamental aspect of your sex life that you have figured it by now.There are forums of men, aged 20-70 (but primarily in the lower range), who can only climax when watching porn. Viagra helps these men achieve and maintain erection while having vaginal sex but they still have extreme difficulty climaxing with a vagina. Many mongers have admitted to me that they have difficulty climaxing during FKK trips. Some have pulled out their smartphones and watched porn. Some try to visualize their favorite porn scene.
Age could be factor. Guys I talked to were 35-50. But perhaps porn is also a factor. All reported that they use streaming porn (sometimes multiple times a day) when away from FKK land. In scientific experiments, isn't it customary to isolate the variables via controlled experiments?
Smoke Light
09-29-18, 02:17
There are forums of men, aged 20-70 (but primarily in the lower range), who can only climax when watching porn. Viagra helps these men achieve and maintain erection while having vaginal sex but they still have extreme difficulty climaxing with a vagina. Many mongers have admitted to me that they have difficulty climaxing during FKK trips. Some have pulled out their smartphones and watched porn. Some try to visualize their favorite porn scene.
Age could be factor. Guys I talked to were 35-50. But perhaps porn is also a factor. All reported that they use streaming porn (sometimes multiple times a day) when away from FKK land. In scientific experiments, isn't it customary to isolate the variables via controlled experiments?Years ago in my first ever FKK room at Bernds I finished in condom in about 5 minutes with Christina, plain vanilla missionary sex. Then many visits to Sharks, Oase, GT, LR, DV, Samya, Babylon, mostly optifuck sessions. And it hit me: first day at FKK, 2nd or 3rd room, and finishing in a rubber is already problematic. Close to a year I stayed on the wrong path looking for expensive (and unnecessary!) extras. My recovery was finding true DFK with real GF attitude. LR was a safe heaven for that. Something I will not forget.
AO, of course, is a possible solution to the problem, but not for me, I don't AO.
If you have a fetish, don't be shy to ask a girl to enhance your experience. Many girls are really bored at work, so when they hear about your needs, many jump with a spark of excitement, especially on repeat rooms with a known guy. I enjoy beautiful legs, feet, socks, stockings, and high heels. Combined with mirrors, it's quite a porn scene, helps to focus on getting the job done. Little details help, but finding the right girl is a key.
Mr. Ho,
I failed in my duties last night. I have now been home just two full nights and thought I was over the jetlag so after the TNF game between the Rams and the Vikings concluded I got out my iPad and a roll of paper towels to take matters in to my own hand but at 5:30 AM woke up fully clothed on my couch and the Ipad on my chest still powered off. Never got around to things. Might be a costly mistake now that I am awake and able to pay for it today so hopefully I can be strong and not give in to my desires and either make it till tonight or pass out early again. Save me $100 if I can.
We guys can be quite visual but I tend to lean on PornHub for my visuals rather than pics in the phone or computer etc. I also like to think of girls past, present and future mentally sometimes from memory which can be crystal clear at times as I can concentrate on the ' task in hand' rather than having to play with one and use a mouse to scroll with the other. Multi tasking sucks unless it is of course a Nein Vashed Gypsy sitting on your face while another one rides you..I usually never jerks off during FKK trip, but I have in Berlin once, I was high on legally tolerated herbs and I jerked off after few sessions in FKK with rola takizawa photos that I fucked back home. It was very wonderful moment to remember LOL.
Eating fine food and fucking beautiful girls are men's biggest pleasure in life and dream for men and for us it is the dream we turned into reality, we are very lucky for that. I will appreciate it and keep on pushing the numbers of beautiful girls that I will fuck in my life.
It is nice to bump into or meet briefly and chat with some old mongers veterans in FKK who has been mongering for years, I have been doing it for 20 years this year or next, so I hope I will be old mongers when it go into 40 years of experience LOL I will be about 58 years old then.
The question some who do not understad ask is, is this your accomplishment in life? Well I do other things too, and I did other things like travelling around, eating gourmet food and I came to conclusion, in life fucking beautiful girls are big accomplishments and achievement because it is not available for most men because they do not pursue it, some guys like us do pursue this seriously to the extent many of us fly half the way around this planet just to fuck new young beautiful girls.
I love fucking more new beautiful girls among other things, but fucking more and more new beautiful girls are very central core of my life feeling alive. I traveled extensively saw many beautiful things by nature or by human, but nothing beat fucking new beautiful girls. It still excite me when I am about to fuck new beautiful stunner.
Some people like hitting small ball with stick into hole on ground and keep score called golf, I like to put my stick called penis into 3 holes of beautiful girls. It is each their own things.
All beautiful girls I fucked are stored heavenly in my memory palace, I got a lot to look back to and smile when I am older and already do, and I will never stop adding more memories LOL!
Make sports, make work your heart rythm, be fit, and you won't need blue pills.
When you treat and look at girls as women, then when you see how they react, fluent sex make easy to finish.
Challenge of the day: sun is just waking up behind mountains, so now time for record in Zoncolan, then 1050 kms to drive to north, through Austria and Germany, for her at night. I'm sure I won't need pills.
I think girls should consider adding porn as part of service. It should be at least notebook size of course, not on a postage stamp screen smartphone. There should be an option between movies and stills / slides. I find movies fleeting, I prefer stills. The session would be like fapping to porn with the girl playing the part of the hand. Some hand!
Sometimes in the RLD I've found myself greatly helped by such trivial adjuncts as a soft porn poster on the wall.
The more dimensions you had to sex, the less Viagra you need (and the more blurred the line between real and vicarious sex but who cares). In the near future I look forward to threesomes with a girl + sexbot (+ laptop + vibrator in ass + girl's underwear around mouth and nose + earpiece to sex phone operator + ...). As many gadgets and wirings as a patient in intensive care.
Not forgetting plastic sheeting on the bed for aquatic sports. As I said, hospital patient.
Member #4636
09-29-18, 11:45
There are forums of men, aged 20-70 (but primarily in the lower range), who can only climax when watching porn. Viagra helps these men achieve and maintain erection while having vaginal sex but they still have extreme difficulty climaxing with a vagina. Many mongers have admitted to me that they have difficulty climaxing during FKK trips. Some have pulled out their smartphones and watched porn. Some try to visualize their favorite porn scene.
Age could be factor. Guys I talked to were 35-50. But perhaps porn is also a factor. All reported that they use streaming porn (sometimes multiple times a day) when away from FKK land. In scientific experiments, isn't it customary to isolate the variables via controlled experiments?Well said Adonis and I think this is the reason they have porn kino in the clubs. I want to add that condom makes think even more difficult. I find myself having a problem sometimes but that is mostly because I keep forgetting I am not 25 anymore LOL.
I think girls should consider adding porn as part of service. It should be at least notebook size of course, not on a postage stamp screen smartphone. There should be an option between movies and stills / slides. I find movies fleeting, I prefer stills. The session would be like fapping to porn with the girl playing the part of the hand. Some hand!
Sometimes in the RLD I've found myself greatly helped by such trivial adjuncts as a soft porn poster on the wall.
The more dimensions you had to sex, the less Viagra you need (and the more blurred the line between real and vicarious sex but who cares). In the near future I look forward to threesomes with a girl + sexbot (+ laptop + vibrator in ass + girl's underwear around mouth and nose + earpiece to sex phone operator + ...). As many gadgets and wirings as a patient in intensive care.
Not forgetting plastic sheeting on the bed for aquatic sports. As I said, hospital patient.Well with escort, you can film with go pro, knowing or without knowing. There are few agency in Japan that let you film as an option.
There is an older guy in Artemis who bring bag to the room consensus based by girl, he apparently bring many sex toys because he is old and also that is his thing, so he likes to fuck girl with his sex toys, so machine fucking girl is possible, we just have to wait till sexbot fucking us? I used masturbation holes before ended up with cutting dick LOL. It is like cut eye on boxer, once you cut your dick, it become habit, it took me one year and half to fix cut dick issue LOL, it was like rocky balboa during sex in FKK after many round, I cut my dick like rocky cut his eyes during boxing match LOL.
Milfotronic
09-29-18, 18:26
Hi guys,
First I want to point out that I have nothing in particular against Romanian women, but since the FKK scene seems to be dominated by Romanian pros these days I think it would be a good idea to list the least "Romanian" clubs, especially for mongers who appreciate diversity. Having mostly Romanian women to pick from isn't the least diverse. How about making a top-10 list of clubs with best mixture of colors and cultures? I'm still waiting for my FKK debut and would like to make such a debut in a club where I can find white, black, brown, yellow etc women, and not half of LU being Romanian. Am I asking too much?
Kosher Kowboy
09-29-18, 18:31
It is nice to bump into or meet briefly and chat with some old mongers veterans in FKK who has been mongering for years, I have been doing it for 20 years this year or next, so I hope I will be old mongers when it go into 40 years of experience LOL I will be about 58 years old then.
Some people like hitting small ball with stick into hole on ground and keep score called golf, I like to put my stick called penis into 3 holes of beautiful girls. It is each their own things.
I have been a monger for 40 years now but only been in ' The German Penile System' for 3 of them. I enjoy / enjoyed talking to mongers older than myself and for that matter younger guys with more time devoted in Germany; great way to learn things and discover some tricks of the trade or simply to help me adjust my gameplans that are always changing. And making new friends and contacts of course.
Funny you mention golf. My friends mention to me (family gave up) that I should be doing other things rather than mongering but it is the only life I know and one actually said if he were me he would travel the world and play on courses worldwide. I am not interested in 9 or 18 holes trying to fill with a golf ball and a metal stick more so as you say filling the holes of women with my natural stick I was given.
I can fully relate to both your comments.
When my dick stops working I will go see the 7 wonders of the world I tell others in the meantime I can visit the Great Wall of China, The Amazonian Jungle, The Pyramids and other places sitting on my couch with a remote control seeing them on my Smart TV via YouTube.
When I am old and done with this and slowly rotting and dying in some $5000 a month assisted living or independent living community eating in the same cafeteria with the same old guys I will be able to tell them how I fucked thousands and thousands of woman 40 years and counting until one day an ambulance will remove me from the community with a white sheet (like at Mainhatten) draped over me.
ExpatLover
09-29-18, 18:42
I have been a monger for 40 years now but only been in ' The German Penile System' for 3 of them. I enjoy / enjoyed talking to mongers older than myself and for that matter younger guys with more time devoted in Germany; great way to learn things and discover some tricks of the trade or simply to help me adjust my gameplans that are always changing. And making new friends and contacts of course.
Funny you mention golf. My friends mention to me (family gave up) that I should be doing other things rather than mongering but it is the only life I know and one actually said if he were me he would travel the world and play on courses worldwide. I am not interested in 9 or 18 holes trying to fill with a golf ball and a metal stick more so as you say filling the holes of women with my natural stick I was given.
I can fully relate to both your comments.What an optimistic future!
Mr Ho. I have been loving some of your recent upbeat reports. Yes, we who visit women are enjoying our lives.
I am substantially older than you and can say there is no reason why you shouldn't still be going strong in 30 years and more. If something is worth doing it doesn't suddenly become not worth doing. Men up to 100 can still run a marathon, just not as fast.
All those years ahead probably gives you a bit of space to see various wonders of the world apart from women LOL.
As for me, even when my dick has stopped working I think I will still be off to meet women (my tongue will still work) :D
Kosher Kowboy
09-29-18, 19:27
Mr Ho. I have been loving some of your recent upbeat reports. Yes, we who visit women are enjoying our lives.
Men up to 100 can still run a marathon, just not as fast.
I agree and second the sentiments on Mr. Ho's contributions especially today with all the rain and nothing to do here but be what we call here a ' post W*ore' ; maybe I will actually leave the house later.
I ran in to a guy in his 70's last trip at Mainhatten actually and he runs marathons in Europe and beyond as his other hobby, claims this is what has kept him fucking along with diet. He says he goes all out trying to keep up with the Kenyans but says that lasts maybe a 1/2 mile max; he says they are finished by the time he even hits the 17 or 18 mile mark if even. All the power to him.
Member #4636
09-29-18, 20:45
Well with escort, you can film with go pro, knowing or without knowing. There are few agency in Japan that let you film as an option.
There is an older guy in Artemis who bring bag to the room consensus based by girl, he apparently bring many sex toys because he is old and also that is his thing, so he likes to fuck girl with his sex toys, so machine fucking girl is possible, we just have to wait till sexbot fucking us? I used masturbation holes before ended up with cutting dick LOL. It is like cut eye on boxer, once you cut your dick, it become habit, it took me one year and half to fix cut dick issue LOL, it was like rocky balboa during sex in FKK after many round, I cut my dick like rocky cut his eyes during boxing match LOL.I saw this old guy in Artemis on my last visit and couldn't believe my eyes. He could barely walk properly and I was wondering how the hell is his dick working.
HungryStud101
09-29-18, 22:37
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When my dick stops working I will go see the 7 wonders of the world I tell others in the meantime I can visit the Great Wall of China, The Amazonian Jungle, The Pyramids and other places sitting on my couch with a remote control seeing them on my Smart TV via YouTube.
Great post and I agree. I keep pushing off retirement myself.
I just wanted to add that you can play golf and hobby. I do. Also, it's funny you mentioned the rain forest. I have done 8 girls in Mato Grosso do Sul in Corumba Brazil. This is the south end of the rain forest and the launching point for Col. Percy Fawcett's expeditions to find the Lost City of Z. I love the Indian influence in the Garota De Programas there.
You can have your cake and eat it too.
All For Bb
09-30-18, 00:52
Some people like hitting small ball with stick into hole on ground and keep score called golf, I like to put my stick called penis into 3 holes of beautiful girls. It is each their own things.
All beautiful girls I fucked are stored heavenly in my memory palace, I got a lot to look back to and smile when I am older and already do, and I will never stop adding more memories LOL!3 "organic holes" as you said earlier. Organic, Ha Ha.
I have fucked 3407 so far in life but can only remember clearly the case of 134 bb fuck, 47 anal fuck and 27 come in pussy without cover. Other memory of fucks faded away. The brain's memory is limited.
About blue pill, in US, there is a generic one available now (sildenafil). If order through Blikhealth.com, and pick-up at a chained local pharmacy, $19/50 pills, about $0. 39 per pill. I haven't try yet, but was told effect are the same as the blue pill (Viagra).
Will visit FFK next week. Is that (next week) a good time to visit?
I have been a monger for 40 years now but only been in ' The German Penile System' for 3 of them. I enjoy / enjoyed talking to mongers older than myself and for that matter younger guys with more time devoted in Germany; great way to learn things and discover some tricks of the trade or simply to help me adjust my gameplans that are always changing. And making new friends and contacts of course.
Funny you mention golf. My friends mention to me (family gave up) that I should be doing other things rather than mongering but it is the only life I know and one actually said if he were me he would travel the world and play on courses worldwide. I am not interested in 9 or 18 holes trying to fill with a golf ball and a metal stick more so as you say filling the holes of women with my natural stick I was given.
I can fully relate to both your comments.
When my dick stops working I will go see the 7 wonders of the world I tell others in the meantime I can visit the Great Wall of China, The Amazonian Jungle, The Pyramids and other places sitting on my couch with a remote control seeing them on my Smart TV via YouTube.
When I am old and done with this and slowly rotting and dying in some $5000 a month assisted living or independent living community eating in the same cafeteria with the same old guys I will be able to tell them how I fucked thousands and thousands of woman 40 years and counting until one day an ambulance will remove me from the community with a white sheet (like at Mainhatten) draped over me.I tried playing golf and tennis, but only thing on my mind during the time on golf course is one of those porno movies on gold field or on tennis court, you know those porn where they stick tennis racket up girls pussy kinda scene LOL.
I like travelling world, eating gourmet food whether cheap good food or expensive good food, and fucking young beautiful girls, and meanwhile in between I ski and swim in beautiful ocean when I can.
I tried many things in life and I love fucking new young beautiful girls the most in life, it make me feel alive. I realized this since age 17 or 18 and I will be pushing the door of best brothel of some kind for rest of my life, and when my dick do not work, I am sure science of future will help me go on, eyes of tiger monger! Rocky Balboa of mongering world LOL!
3 "organic holes" as you said earlier. Organic, Ha Ha.
I have fucked 3407 so far in life but can only remember clearly the case of 134 bb fuck, 47 anal fuck and 27 come in pussy without cover. Other memory of fucks faded away. The brain's memory is limited.
About blue pill, in US, there is a generic one available now (sildenafil). If order through Blikhealth.com, and pick-up at a chained local pharmacy, $19/50 pills, about $0. 39 per pill. I haven't try yet, but was told effect are the same as the blue pill (Viagra).
Will visit FFK next week. Is that (next week) a good time to visit?I think science world will keep on improving and even when we are 70 or 80 years old we will be able to fuck and be horny.
I never been to FKK at this time of year actually, but I would imagine it is not right after, but bit after summer is over, so girls should be back and running. I went in November and I think LU was OK.
Girls often tells me that colder season is better line up, but I personally found stunner level girls in low season of summer month like July and August.
I use generic sometime when I am in FKK, after 3 rooms, 3 cum, I need some help, so I usually pop quarter of a pill after second room LOL so I do not need to worry even girl is upsell and I need to punish her for just going 30 min hardcore doggy position with her giving me attitude trying to give me weak penis by doing so, but I am on cialis baby LOL.
Hi guys,
I'm still waiting for my FKK debut and would like to make such a debut in a club where I can find white, black, brown, yellow etc women, and not half of LU being Romanian. Am I asking too much?If you have not been to FKK land yet, then you need to go. But otherwise yes, you're asking for too much. If diversity is what you want, then go to Brazil (my absolute favorite) or to Dubai (the most "critical mass" diversity of any mongering destination I have ever been to).
All of the major clubs in Germany are overwhelmingly Romanian, and there is no escaping that. Even if she claims to be from another country there is a chance she is lying. Germany is not the place to go for ethnic diversity in mongering. At least not in the FKK clubs. If you want that, then go to Brazil or Dubai. There isn't one FKK that meets your criteria let alone ten LOL!
That said, during my last big trip to Germany, I was impressed with the ethnic diversity that was on offer at FKK Babylon Hamburg, and to a lesser degree FKK Artemis in Berlin (good for Germany but still not competitive with Brazil and Dubai). Too bad they are in different cities, but you have to travel around Germany in order to experience the best clubs and get what you want.
Jimmy Boy 99
09-30-18, 09:24
Snip. About blue pill, in US, there is a generic one available now (sildenafil). If order through Blikhealth.com, and pick-up at a chained local pharmacy, $19/50 pills, about $0. 39 per pill. I haven't try yet, but was told effect are the same as the blue pill (Viagra).
Snip.Went to the website. Just a site that sends you to other websites, none of which are for ordering pills. How are you ordering medication through this site?
I saw this old guy in Artemis on my last visit and couldn't believe my eyes. He could barely walk properly and I was wondering how the hell is his dick working.1 is very regular at Sharks, 1 seen on last night at Palace. At LR, Antonella had 1 for about 10000 € per month without sex. Who can compete for business? Great companionship.
Talking about the blue pill, does anybody know where one can order generic Viagra which will be shipped from EU (except UK), not from India, and shipped to a resident in EU? Thank you.
Kosher Kowboy
09-30-18, 12:05
3 "organic holes" as you said earlier. Organic, Ha Ha.
I have fucked 3407 so far in life but can only remember clearly the case of 134 bb fuck, 47 anal fuck and 27 come in pussy without cover. Other memory of fucks faded away. The brain's memory is limited.
About blue pill, in US, there is a generic one available now (sildenafil). If order through Blikhealth.com, and pick-up at a chained local pharmacy, $19/50 pills, about $0. 39 per pill. I haven't try yet, but was told effect are the same as the blue pill (Viagra).
Will visit FFK next week. Is that (next week) a good time to visit?IMO anytime is a great time to visit given the garbage I have here to select from. It isn't even garbage here anymore it's that residue that floats at the bottom of the dumpsters when they empty them that actually is half liquid and stinks and doesn't get cleaned well, kind of like our girls pussies here.
And I am impressed you have kept up to date with your numbers. I gave up counting but have done some rough estimates recently but after hitting over 2,000 many years ago figured what is the point of counting. One girl once told me how many a year she fucked and I was also shocked but seeing her do room after room and piecing that with years claimed in the business with multiple clubs I started some math and pretty much put her on pace for that even with time off to bang her lover boys. I remember when I could cum in a condom many times a day for 1-2 weeks straight hopping door to door in the AMS RLD and even in the early 2 Ks knocking out several a night two nights in a row two-three weekends per month every month for a few years in the Mexican border towns on top of 1-2 girls a week at home. Now I am old. 3 a day for a week for me now is a miracle, last trip pulled it off somehow. Hopefully you will fare better than I :D
My urologist told me of the generics he could write me here and the prices he told me match what you mention. If I recall correctly they were only 20 MG per pill meaning would have to take 2. 5-5 to equal a usual dosage of 50 MG-100 MG but price beats the name brands however ordering from India is still the best way IMO as is getting the compounds here in the US which are by far the best product out there for me especially if I want fast acting.
Have a good trip, look forward to the review (s).
Talking about the blue pill, does anybody know where one can order generic Viagra which will be shipped from EU (except UK), not from India, and shipped to a resident in EU? Thank you.
Looks like you are looking for EU to EU from manufacturer's door to your door if I read correctly. I do not know if Finland or Norway are in the EU but a resident of The Red Couch Inn that I met last week who is German took generics from one of those two countries. Could have been Sweden, one of the countries in that area. I traded an Indian one for one of his and it worked just great. He said the Indian one for him worked the same, FWIW...
Hope you find what you are looking for...
ExpatLover
09-30-18, 12:19
3 "organic holes" as you said earlier. Organic, Ha Ha.
I have fucked 3407 so far in life but can only remember clearly the case of 134 bb fuck, 47 anal fuck and 27 come in pussy without cover. Other memory of fucks faded away. The brain's memory is limited.
About blue pill, in US, there is a generic one available now (sildenafil). If order through Blikhealth.com, and pick-up at a chained local pharmacy, $19/50 pills, about $0. 39 per pill. I haven't try yet, but was told effect are the same as the blue pill (Viagra).
Will visit FFK next week. Is that (next week) a good time to visit?Probably if you check the box it is coming from India, one of my friend is taking it and he told me it is as good as the original one. The products from India are looking safe, so if you need some why not but I don t understand why to take any of those drugs to fuck a prostitute, with a GF or a wife I can understand it.
Looks like you are looking for EU to EU from manufacturer's door to your door if I read correctly. I do not know if Finland or Norway are in the EU but a resident of The Red Couch Inn that I met last week who is German took generics from one of those two countries. Could have been Sweden, one of the countries in that area. I traded an Indian one for one of his and it worked just great. He said the Indian one for him worked the same, FWIW...
Hope you find what you are looking for...KK. Thank you very much for the tip. I will look into it...
Kosher Kowboy
09-30-18, 13:08
KK. Thank you very much for the tip. I will look into it...Just an observation when you do your research but I also got about a year ago also at this same ritzy location a pill from a Swedish man. I notice just about all generics seem to be oval shaped like Phizer makes or close to it with a line in the center to break in half exactly.
The ones I have seen from Scandinavian countries are rounded. They have a cross in the middle four ways to easily split in to quarters just not halves. Another unique feature is this cross as opposed to a 50/50 dividing line in the ovals is indented much deeper almost a third or half way in to the pill looks like not just a tiny indentation rather much deeper than those of the ovals. Also much easier to split if you split the ovals often you might break it 60/40 these ones from the north of you are much easier to evenly split with very little margin for error. Also, Israel's largest manufacturer makes a version and I have heard it is supposed to be possibly better than all the others but I can not get my hands on them, maybe you can...
I would be interested in what you find if you do and how you find them in comparison.
KK,
Thank you very much again for the info. I will let you know of any useful info after I do my research.
ExpatLover
09-30-18, 19:19
Just an observation when you do your research but I also got about a year ago also at this same ritzy location a pill from a Swedish man. I notice just about all generics seem to be oval shaped like Phizer makes or close to it with a line in the center to break in half exactly.
The ones I have seen from Scandinavian countries are rounded. They have a cross in the middle four ways to easily split in to quarters just not halves. Another unique feature is this cross as opposed to a 50/50 dividing line in the ovals is indented much deeper almost a third or half way in to the pill looks like not just a tiny indentation rather much deeper than those of the ovals. Also much easier to split if you split the ovals often you might break it 60/40 these ones from the north of you are much easier to evenly split with very little margin for error. Also, Israel's largest manufacturer makes a version and I have heard it is supposed to be possibly better than all the others but I can not get my hands on them, maybe you can...
I would be interested in what you find if you do and how you find them in comparison.Sorry but if you really in it why do you need to take blue pills? Personalty I will never do it, they are just prostitutes and I don t need to show that I am a strong if they just don t have enough sex appeal.
Member #4636
09-30-18, 19:20
I will be in 3 weeks Friday from 6 pm to Saturday 6 pm in Frankfurt. Planning to visit 2 clubs between Oase, Mainhattan and Palace with very limited options visiting all.
Option 1 is Oase on Friday night (sleep in Friedrichsdorf) and next day noon at Mainhattan until my flight back.
Option 2 is Palace Friday night (sleep in center) and Mainhattan or Oase next day.
Option 3 is Mainhattan Friday night and next day to Oase from noon to flight back.
Not having Palace as an option during daytime because I know all action is after evening.
I have already been to Palace many times and I would go again only if my dream queen is there (which I don'why know before so I need to take the risk) . I have been to Mainhattan during daytime but never night and have never visited Oase.
What would you guys advice me?
After being ripped off by the med shops here, I first started using http://sun4rx.com/, but they kept changing URLs every time I would try to order (even though the service and delivery was not any issue), not sure they are still there. Then I found JCM Pharmacy (http://jcmrx.es/) . And they are excellent. I would say the quality of the products are about the same, as looks like they both use the same sources. In my experience, quality of these are not any better or worse than the ridiculously expensive pills we get in European or US pharmacies.
Bitcoin use was a breeze with JCM (as long as you have a Blockchain account at https://blockchain.info/wallet/, you also get some extra discounts with Bitcoin use), and their customer support is excellent. You can find more info about this JCM Pharmacy at http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3730-JCM-Pharmacy/, and more related info one level up from that thread.
If you are extra concerned about your privacy, Bitcoin use etc, you can use the TOR Browser (https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en) for all these activities.
ExpatLover
09-30-18, 19:29
After being ripped off by the med shops here, I first started using http://sun4rx.com/, but they kept changing URLs every time I would try to order (even though the service and delivery was not any issue), not sure they are still there. Then I found JCM Pharmacy (http://jcmrx.es/) . And they are excellent. I would say the quality of the products are about the same, as looks like they both use the same sources. In my experience, quality of these are not any better or worse than the ridiculously expensive pills we get in European or US pharmacies.
Bitcoin use was a breeze with JCM (as long as you have a Blockchain account at https://blockchain.info/wallet/, you also get some extra discounts with Bitcoin use), and their customer support is excellent. You can find more info about this JCM Pharmacy at http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3730-JCM-Pharmacy/, and more related info one level up from that thread.
If you are extra concerned about your privacy, Bitcoin use etc, you can use the TOR Browser (https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en) for all these activities.Just forget all those pills, if you exercise a bit, live a healthy life without smoking and a little bit alcohol you don t need them, the nature is well organise when the time is coming you will feel it.
Gino02,
But they don't ship their products to Germany and Netherlands.
http://jcmrx.es/frequentlyaskedquestions.html#whatcountriesdoyoushipto.
Check the answer of the question What countries do you ship to?
Now any generic medical products from India will be confiscated by their customs. This is the reason I posted my initial question.
Some months ago I went to the airport medical service to get a prescription while waiting for my flight to Istambul. I told them I was not sure to be able to get the med in Turkey. Then I cashed in the prescription at the airport pharmacy. Had I asked them to add Sildenafil to the prescription I have no doubt they would have done so. For instance you need aciclovir to suppress some recurring mouth sores and ask for generic Sildenafil as well. No idea whether you can do this after an incoming flight though.
By the way don't some FKK girls also sell blue pills? It is certainly less serious a crime than selling drugs. On the other hand it may still be too serious an offence for too small a gain.
Gino02,
But they don't ship their products to Germany and Netherlands.
http://jcmrx.es/frequentlyaskedquestions.html#whatcountriesdoyoushipto.
Check the answer of the question What countries do you ship to?
Now any generic medical products from India will be confiscated by their customs. This is the reason I posted my initial question.Oops, sorry Bfsie, I didn't realize it. Yeah their website clearly says this:
We cannot ship to the following countries: Austria, Belgium, China, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, Sweden, Ukraine, and Vietnam.
Is it possible or practical to set up a mailbox in Zurich or somewhere in Switzerland near the German border and make an annual trip (or some holy Globe trips) to pick things up? Is that even legal?
ExpatLover
09-30-18, 23:01
Some months ago I went to the airport medical service to get a prescription while waiting for my flight to Istambul. I told them I was not sure to be able to get the med in Turkey. Then I cashed in the prescription at the airport pharmacy. Had I asked them to add Sildenafil to the prescription I have no doubt they would have done so. For instance you need aciclovir to suppress some recurring mouth sores and ask for generic Sildenafil as well. No idea whether you can do this after an incoming flight though.
By the way don't some FKK girls also sell blue pills? It is certainly less serious a crime than selling drugs. On the other hand it may still be too serious an offence for too small a gain.The girls have no interest to sell blue pills, they don t want to get fucked harder or to wait longer that the monger ejaculate.
Triptogamont
09-30-18, 23:11
By the way don't some FKK girls also sell blue pills? It is certainly less serious a crime than selling drugs. On the other hand it may still be too serious an offence for too small a gain.
Wouldn't FKK girls prefer mongers to have soft dicks, and not perform? That way they'll get paid for doing nothing.
Kosher Kowboy
09-30-18, 23:34
Wouldn't FKK girls prefer mongers to have soft dicks, and not perform? That way they'll get paid for doing nothing.Good point to some extent probably some truth to it. Only one time have I been scolded for improper behavior at Day Care when one Gypsy told me I am not allowed to give a certain guy I am friends with any Viagra because his dick is so big and she is one of the girls who hasn't banned him for size and she said he was too hard it was painful beyond the normal uncomfortable feeling. And blamed me for her pussy hurting. She got over it, makes plenty off me :D
Guess that somewhat coincides with your point.
If you have not been to FKK land yet, then you need to go. But otherwise yes, you're asking for too much. If diversity is what you want, then go to Brazil (my absolute favorite).You are always about to make me click ticket to Brazil on expedia web page and make my life more difficult given that it is over 20 hours flight Mr cane LOL.
Once I go, I know I be hooked to travel there because for good mongering, I go moon and back LOL. Dangerous place for me LOL.
One thing I won't like this this big butt thing in south america in general, I am more into tight ass like fit tight ass.
Member #4581
09-30-18, 23:52
Wouldn't FKK girls prefer mongers to have soft dicks, and not perform? That way they'll get paid for doing nothing.Yes and no.
Soft dicks, small dicks, semi hard dicks — less stress on the pussy due to not as much pounding.
On the other hand, many girls also prefer to turn around a session fast. The idea is to get it done in a 10 to 15 min session. One minute of smooching + cuddling, 2 1/2 minutes of half hearted BJ, followed by a few strokes in which the guy finishes, preferably with a CIM, and even better some anal. All completed in 15 minutes.
That would be 200 for half HR. Unless the guy also agreed to 50 extra for dfk and 50 extra for BLS and even more foolishly 50 extra for DATY. That would be 350 for perhaps 25 minutes of work. Unless, if she is truly efficient, she can squeeze all of that into 20 or fewer minutes.
Now she is getting paid like a Wall Street lawyer. BSD as they say.
When girls in FKK tells me to cum baby, cum, that is when they turn the switch inside me to go on till the last round like Rocky Balboa LOL!
When mediocre stunner level girls in FKK tells me it is 200 euro for one hour, it is going to be 30 min 50 euro just banging hard long as I can till the last round like Rocky Balboa LOL!
Some girls cannot see mirror properly, 200 euro per one hour crazy upsell is only allowed to be even said by 10's stunner level girls who actually going to perform in room. Even then I may choose 50 euro hard banging session.
Oops, sorry Bfsie, I didn't realize it. Yeah their website clearly says this:
We cannot ship to the following countries: Austria, Belgium, China, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, Sweden, Ukraine, and Vietnam.
Is it possible or practical to set up a mailbox in Zurich or somewhere in Switzerland near the German border and make an annual trip (or some holy Globe trips) to pick things up? Is that even legal?I'm not sure about setting up a mailing address somewhere. Perhaps make a reservation at a be&be and have it deliver the week prior would be easier and cheaper. On the other hand, traveling with excessive amounts of any medications can get you in a bind. I have a couple meds I take daily and I have been asked for the prescription and had the quantity I'm carrying verified.
Perhaps another option is to travel in and out of Greece. You can buy from the Apothec without a scrip. Another option is talk to your doc and tell them you are going on a trip and are expecting lot of sex and after two or three days you need a little boost.
I know for me, Cialis is the key. From one tablet I get about a 3 day boost, when I need it. Viagra doesn't last as long and is less predictable with things popping up when not wanted or hanging around after the party is over.
Neurosynth
10-01-18, 05:49
Wouldn't FKK girls prefer mongers to have soft dicks, and not perform? That way they'll get paid for doing nothing.Nope. A guy with erection problems means *more* work. They either (1) have to work all manner of foreplay tricks to get the guy hard or (2) they have to deal with a potentially frustrated and angry customer who will blame the girl for their dysfunction and make everyone involved miserable.
The ideal customer is the one who gets hard as a rock just being in the room with her, and then cums 3 or 4 strokes in. The girls aren't there for the sex.
ExpatLover
10-01-18, 06:41
Nope. A guy with erection problems means *more* work. They either (1) have to work all manner of foreplay tricks to get the guy hard or (2) they have to deal with a potentially frustrated and angry customer who will blame the girl for their dysfunction and make everyone involved miserable.
The ideal customer is the one who gets hard as a rock just being in the room with her, and then cums 3 or 4 strokes in. The girls aren't there for the sex.On one side you are right but so many girls are complaining that under Viagra the man take too much time to come.
TankTank123
10-01-18, 07:34
The ideal customer is the one who gets hard as a rock just being in the room with her, and then cums 3 or 4 strokes in. The girls aren't there for the sex.See my post in the FKK Hawaii thread. That girl, Caroline, got me rock hard within 1 minute, and it was all over within 5 minutes, when normally I would need at least 15 minutes of foreplay. She then tried to sell me Viagra. I thought then that she was just trying to make a profit from the sale or was being kind to me. But I realise now that perhaps she was hoping that I would extend for another session.
Her next 3 customers similarly lasted barely 10 minutes each, as I watched them going to the room with her and then rapidly emerge. So, she would soon have finished off all the customers available that day, and hope that some who had bought her Viagra might go for a 2nd round!
Some months ago I went to the airport medical service to get a prescription while waiting for my flight to Istambul. I told them I was not sure to be able to get the med in Turkey. Then I cashed in the prescription at the airport pharmacy. Had I asked them to add Sildenafil to the prescription I have no doubt they would have done so. For instance you need aciclovir to suppress some recurring mouth sores and ask for generic Sildenafil as well. No idea whether you can do this after an incoming flight though.
By the way don't some FKK girls also sell blue pills? It is certainly less serious a crime than selling drugs. On the other hand it may still be too serious an offence for too small a gain.Imagine going to medical office at airport saying I got blood clot pain on my penis, I need blue pill for blood flow LOL!
I remember when I could cum in a condom many times a day for 1-2 weeks straight hopping door to door in the AMS RLD and even in the early 2 Ks knocking out several a night two nights in a row two-three weekends per month every month for a few years in the Mexican border towns on top of 1-2 girls a week at home. Now I am old. 3 a day for a week for me now is a miracle, last trip pulled it off somehow.Congratulations on finishing 21 times in 7 days on a recent trip. It is however hard to establish a baseline: "many times a day" and "several a night". I mean do you think you would have achieved 30 to 35 times finishes in a seven-day span during your Amsterdam RLD and Mexican border town days?
Age is probably the primary factor. We don't know your diet, exercise, nicotine, alcohol habits, medications, etc. But I would assume your consumption of porn and viagra has increased since early 2000's, because streaming porn and viagra is simply more available now than in the past. The former I am convinced has a more stronger effect on one's inability to cum than most people realize. Then there seem to be a litany of people who seem to believe that viagra has similar detrimental effects.
One local monger that I run into frequently is in his mid-40's. He said he quit porn two years ago. The turning point he tells me was when he had difficulty finishing in the room and the WG told him, "you watch too much porn". But he is a weekend warrior, who does about 12 hours Saturday night. Then six hours on Sunday. In a 26 hour window, he manages 6 or 7 pops. He says he noticed a marked improvement after he quit porn. I believe he used to have extreme difficulty getting five pops two years ago. To my knowledge, nothing else has changed with his diet, exercise, nicotine, alcohol habits, medications.
Coincidentally, I also quit online about two years ago as well. I am slightly less prolific than I was five years ago, but I never try to push myself to the limit anymore. I stop after I reach my second or third pop. I had a injury to my foreskin.
Comparing two different people of course does not prove useful of course. Weekend warriors never have to pace themselves for seven days and they often don't spend extended periods in "sex prison USA", so kicking the porn habit is definitely easier. But you should try to baseline against a younger version of yourself. It seems that you are a in a better position than other Americans. Are you flying to DE every six weeks? I think quitting porn and masturbation might be more realistic for you. Do a weekly visit to your Texas WGs in between your trips to Germany. No orgasms unless it is caused by a female orifice. You might not be as prolific as your early 20's, but I suspect you'd be able to turn back the clock a decade.
At Globe, a German beauty who is a busy superstar often booked for hours on desk, was afraid to go with me, about how I could look at her, compare to my Romanian regulars there. Twice on my visit, she told me she was busy, but I felt she had a problem with me, without knowing me, but I don t force girls. On my last visit, she smiled and told about my hair, but stayed away from me, so on this disappointing visit when I didn't go for her, I went to her, I felt how she was stressed, when she smiles to old, fat, Asians, who are easier for her. No couch time, she straight proposed me to go to room. In room, she was on the bed with her dessous, explaining me she thought she would not be good looking enough in my eyes, and difficult for her because I don t speak German, not the first German who have problem when You don t speak German, but when I looked at her, when she saw my eyes, she started kissing me, all along, when she is said to be PSE, I made her being my GF in bed, even she can t compete with my Romanian GF for woman sensuality, but lovely, passionate and so hot, with all her body shaking from orgasmus, and then she becomes very silent. After long deep foreplay and long, deep, very sporty fucking while she was so wet, not using gel, when I finished, she said: You make me so horny, why I m so wet, so even over 50 , when You are sporty and fit, no need to blue pills, I took a new condom, she was looking at me, smiling, and I fucked her again for about 30 mn. I stopped at 2 hours for our discovery, 520 € . I asked her with my few German words if she loves me now? She answered: now I know You, I will run to You. She was booked on desk at midnight, but she came full smiling at 1.15 am, saying: I want a good fucking to finish my day, so second room, all body shaking again from orgasmus, then again long sporty fucking. At 2. 30 am, she still smiled and kissed but her pussy was no more wet, so after our third sporty round, she preferred we stop, to take a long relaxing shower together when she said to a drunk guy she was with me. She asked when I will come back? Unfortunately I don t plan to return, even she was a great discovery on this disappointing day. A angel face asking I fucked her again.
HungryStud101
10-01-18, 13:51
I usually do 3 girls an FKK visit, + or - 1. I can remember when this storied hobby career started in earnest. It was Montreal 2007. It took some practice. I couldn't finish in a condom. I can remember my first couple of visits to Oase impressing the hell out of myself by being able to cum in the condom 3 x / day for a few days in a row. Last trip I came in a condom through intercourse only the first girl of the day (although with Gina I did it twice during an hour appointment). But I think after that, I had to be released manually and there may have been other factors like oil and boob massage etc. I remember Daria from Sharks telling me about Prostate massage that "For some guys this is the only way they can cum. " I'm certainly not there yet. I'm sure age, jet lag, Viagra may have something to do with it. I'm a bit bored by porn at the moment. Even if I need a manual release, I'm still enjoying my sessions. They are better than a sharp stick in the eye.
My biggest problem during a hobby campaign is little Hungry. He usually gets a little tender by the end of the campaign and I am telling the girls careful or "cuidado" in Brazil. I guess if I would cum real fast that would save my Johnson a little bit of ware and tear. A tender dick skin made me cut short my March trip. One thing I wonder is when guys practice abstinence weeks or months before the trips the cock skin gets a little vulnerable. It's analogous to guys that play golf without the aid of a golf glove. You have to develop a callus on your hand which takes several buckets of balls. The same is true for the dick. I think it is best to use it a few times going in. A virgin Dick skin is vulnerable. It's a chicken egg thing.
Funny story: Several years ago I had business in Brazil so I flew in early to Rio De Janeiro the weekend before. I was body surfing in the surf and running up and down the beach in a wet swim suit and with each dive in the surf, sand was passing through my genital area. It was acting like a sand blaster on my tender cock skin and by the end of the day I had a sore on the top of my cock. This was stupid rookie mistake. I bravely went to the Termas that night and I actually brought a girl home and she fucked me all night. It was like surgical torture and I couldn't cum again so she invited me to bareback and mostly because of the sore on the top of my dick, I refused. I mean she had me on edge with oral and I was about to go and she stopped me and this was a big mistake.
The moral of the story is the following: Do not body surf during a visit to Rio De Janeiro.
What is prostate massage? Needing to have a finger in your ass to be able to cum?
I prefer not to cum, to stay on the edge, to stay very hard, to lengthen fucking. When girls are exhausted, then they lose control, then what a pleasure for mind. Great game for sporty guys, not hurting the girl being rude for sex, but exhausting her to make her lose control, because much more easy to make cum WGs from clit than inside vagina.
It is still a no-no right now but if it became legal no strings attached (ie no driving licence issue) it could offer ageing cocks a new lease if life. You can't combine poppers with sildenafil but if I'm not mistaken sildenafil + cannabis is ok. The boost on erection of the combo could be awsome, and there would also be some deshinhibitory effect on the brain. Let's hope. Without driving licence trickery though otherwise we're back to square one.
Kosher Kowboy
10-01-18, 19:12
It is still a no-no right now but if it became legal no strings attached (ie no driving licence issue) it could offer ageing cocks a new lease if life. You can't combine poppers with sildenafil but if I'm not mistaken sildenafil + cannabis is ok. The boost on erection of the combo could be awsome, and there would also be some deshinhibitory effect on the brain. Let's hope. Without driving licence trickery though otherwise we're back to square one.Interesting topic, had the discussion with both a shrink and a urologist before. Erections can suffer if a guy is thinking too hard mentally, thinks he won't get one and doesn't etc. Many guys have taken Benzo's to relax but they actually might relax the mind but can have the reverse effect on the system itself. However smoking has proven to be the relaxation some need but just like smokes can effect the blood flow.
However, THC in the edible / drinkable form will not have some reverse effect smoking per se would have. Edibles such as cookies go thru your digestive track and some work some don't most do not do a thing for me and effects can also vary from how much a person uses THC in general to simply their metabolism and internal differing body functions. Edibles are sold in dosages of 10 MG which can be bought alone (one gummi bear, or 60 MG in 6 gummi bears) but most products such a Boulder Bar are chocolate bars are sold in 100 MG quantity with very specific cuts to break in to 10 MG squares. I eat the whole bar and sometimes two of them :D
I spoke to a guy at one of the shops out in Idaho Springs once. He told me to try a product called Elixirs (can look it up on google) , it is a 100 MG bottle of a juice / beverage and warned me a few sips would work to nurse the bottle. I got to the car and sure nursed the thing for about 15 seconds and chugged the whole fucking thing at once. Stuff worked great. I got a few bottles on the 16th street mall a few hours later upon return to Denver and dropping a ton of money at Elway's on the best rack of lamb one will ever get. That night I happened to have an escort coming over and I was feeling so good I drank another bottle to make sure I had my good feeling left when she came and during the Gypsy style session. I forgot to take my Viagra that night and I never forget. However, this product seemed to have me so relaxed that perhaps I did not need the Viagra. I have no medical proof to say such just speculation. It might have been a combo of this drink plus the cookies I had or the flowers I was enjoying. It is possible Denver City's elevation of just over 5,000 feet had an effect as I live in an area just a few hundred feet above sea level. Much of the Viagra I take might be mental as I wake up in the mornings poking the bed and things worked just fine w / o enhancers but the jury is out on all of the above but I think w / o a doubt there will undoubtedly be some kind of a strand or product one day in the Cannabis industry to enhance male erection whether it be physical or mental or perhaps both feeding off each other or individually. Not a doctor, don't know. But that drink sure did wonders.
Just my experiences. Others will tell you a million variations of what happened when they took edibles but if there is an erection / THC link one day most likely I do not think it will be in the form of flower rather an edible although medical science may be able to target specific areas of the brain that sexually stimulate us or allows more blood flow etc that a certain strand might trigger that another won't as there are strands now to target areas of the brain for depression, alzheimers, back spasms and so on. Why not our cocks!!
THC products aside, I think one day following the lineage from the ancient penis pumps and injects some guys take to get hard (some girls here actually have clients that give themselves a legal shot prior to sex) to Phizer's invention of the blue pill and now new versions that go thru the blood stream (gels and troches) that us aging and old guys within probably 5 years or less for sure ten will have some kind of an instant product that works within minutes if not seconds, similar to the (very pricey) Ambien strips that work within 5 min or less (bloodstream) as opposed to the Ambien pill that takes longer thru the digestive tracts.
XXL. Yes, thinking too much is the killer. Worrying about going limp guaranteed it will happen. The triggers for me are usually when a girl punctures my fantasy in some way.
Finishing is also all psychological for me. So much so that my Queen on my last session told me to stop thinking about her and what she felt / wanted and just to fuck and come. Having a girl say that guaranteed a quick finish.I guess it is a question of releasing my Inner Caveman
KK. Relaxing does not work for me. I need to rev up a bit out of my slightly disinterested (old fashioned meaning) attitude in clubs. I have to crank up the gears and fire the jets. Get the mind committed but of course, no stress, which is a kiss of death (which I rarely know). Edibles are not the answer for me
Just throwing it into the mix.
Kosher Kowboy
10-01-18, 21:13
XXL. Yes, thinking too much is the killer. Worrying about going limp guaranteed it will happen. The triggers for me are usually when a girl punctures my fantasy in some way.
Edibles are not the answer for me
I agree, this is why I am just going to state up front when next at Sharks / oase especially 'this is what I want this is what I will pay' and it will be 100 Euro sessions with DATY and BBBJ (I do not want to kiss) and full time of an hour and they either accept or no appointment. I do not even plan to bother with the 50's, not going to be trying to concentrate to cum in a condom almost there only to be derailed by ' it is only 50 to cum in my mouth' than go limp; fuck that shit. Besides, my last few trips to Sharks were all 100's anyway and great sessions and I know of at least 6 or 7 still there I can go to for such and be happy. Despite the fancy websites and layouts FKK Sharks and FKK Day Care are the same thing just packaged differently, take the pussy out there will be no men to eat the food and be entertained by Dieter or to wait for hours for a lazy Gypsy to order lunch. I really have myself to blame for not getting out and doing Bahama and Atlanta and places I know I will like better and for this reason I am increasing my trips from 5-7 days to 7-14 days to see more places, have a day off (s) and visit another European city with Frankfurt being the bookends.
I always thought the above but JNPR30 yesterday posted a most refreshing and perhaps the most accurate and honest description of a 50 e session even more honest than many reviews I find extremely suspect of recent and thank him for posting such as a reminder for me to get my own act in gear.
As to the edibles, what if you can eat your Queen? Might that help :D
HungryStud101
10-01-18, 21:41
It is still a no-no right now but if it became legal no strings attached (ie no driving licence issue) it could offer ageing cocks a new lease if life. You can't combine poppers with sildenafil but if I'm not mistaken sildenafil + cannabis is ok. The boost on erection of the combo could be awsome, and there would also be some deshinhibitory effect on the brain. Let's hope. Without driving licence trickery though otherwise we're back to square one.I haven't had sex high on Marijuana since the 90's. I remember having great, horny sex on it. An FKK club would be great (if you are allowed to partake). Smoke a joint, have an hour of great sex, go get a bite to eat, take a sauna and go for a nap. Get up and repeat two more times and then go home.
I haven't had sex high on Marijuana since the 90's. I remember having great, horny sex on it. An FKK club would be great (if you are allowed to partake). Smoke a joint, have an hour of great sex, go get a bite to eat, take a sauna and go for a nap. Get up and repeat two more times and then go home.That is my recipe for years since I met my mary jane in year 1999 LOL.
But I have to say, the effect is stronger when I began smoking that back in the day, somehow, I feel tolerated.
One may say I am not getting good staff, but I guess I am because I get them in venlo in Holland where it is legal and some may say I smoke too much, I do not because I only do it in legal countries and back home it is not legal, so I do not smoke mary jane for like more than 3 months or even more months and I get good staff at venlo in legal coffee shop, but somehow sex felt more greater when I first began smoking mary jane with sex back in 1999, then after few years, it somehow fade off.
Maybe I should play more with indica or sativa, I may need more body effect than mind affect? What is the best mary jane for sex?
Kosher Kowboy
10-02-18, 00:56
Maybe I should play more with indica or sativa, I may need more body effect than mind affect? What is the best mary jane for sex?All depends but as a general rule of thumb the Indicas are for when you truly want to zone out, order pizza and watch a movie and pass out, great for sleeping. A high percentage (22-23 or higher, no pun intended) Indica is going to knock you out if you aren't a habitual user even a 18-21 percent one probably would. I personally always buy at minimum a 23 percent to as large a percentage they sell at the dispensaries. Many say this is more of a ' head high'.
Whereas some will call the sativas more of a ' all out body high' but it is different for all persons. Sativas are best for most that want to stay alert, might be active while enjoying. When I skiied or rafted down the river in the rapids I went for the sativas but given my devotion to these wonderful flowers daily since age 18 I have to get a very high percentage one.
If you use regularly neither an indica nor sativa IMHO will be worth it if 21 percent or under, toss it in the garbage that would be foolish to fly to Colorado or go to the Netherlands just to get that quality. I liken it to perhaps an idiot who might live in America and flies 5,000 miles every 4-7 weeks and ends up in one of Frankfurt's most disgusting suburbs full of housing projects and this grungy brothel hidden behind a warehouse even if they do have the kindest and sweetest and most properly vashed ladies in the world.
Kosher Kowboy's Kannabis Kabana recommends to you to find two strands. Get a lower grade Sativa for clubbing, 18-22 percent or so that will keep you happy but alert enough not to be staring in to space. Grab an Indica for your hotel room and hit the sack quickly and get rested for the next day.
But my best advise is to do what I did. I always enjoyed the flowers of Amsterdam but I found the best thing to do before sex was to enjoy the hashish. Better than flower! Get a light one that will crumble not a sticky one and mix it with tobacco 50/50 and roll up a cigarette and ask a Dutch guy (give him a pinch) and he or she will roll you the inverted cone shape, they are the masters at it! Than you can smoke and ' play ball'.
I have thought about crossing the Dutch border by train or car but am too worried to bring it in to Germany with my luck dogs would be on the train or some highway check would catch me.
All depends but as a general rule of thumb the Indicas are for when you truly want to zone out, order pizza and watch a movie and pass out, great for sleeping. A high percentage (22-23 or higher, no pun intended) Indica is going to knock you out if you aren't a habitual user even a 18-21 percent one probably would. I personally always buy at minimum a 23 percent to as large a percentage they sell at the dispensaries. Many say this is more of a ' head high'.
Whereas some will call the sativas more of a ' all out body high' but it is different for all persons. Sativas are best for most that want to stay alert, might be active while enjoying. When I skiied or rafted down the river in the rapids I went for the sativas but given my devotion to these wonderful flowers daily since age 18 I have to get a very high percentage one.
If you use regularly neither an indica nor sativa IMHO will be worth it if 21 percent or under, toss it in the garbage that would be foolish to fly to Colorado or go to the Netherlands just to get that quality. I liken it to perhaps an idiot who might live in America and flies 5,000 miles every 4-7 weeks and ends up in one of Frankfurt's most disgusting suburbs full of housing projects and this grungy brothel hidden behind a warehouse even if they do have the kindest and sweetest and most properly vashed ladies in the world.
Kosher Kowboy's Kannabis Kabana recommends to you to find two strands. Get a lower grade Sativa for clubbing, 18-22 percent or so that will keep you happy but alert enough not to be staring in to space. Grab an Indica for your hotel room and hit the sack quickly and get rested for the next day..If I remember right, sativa is brain high and indica is body high.
So Sativa in FKK.
And Indica in Hotel to sleep deep.
But oddly, when I first tried it in brothel, I remember such a good feeling of body effect, like when girl bite my nipple it intensify the feeling 10 times or more kinda feeling, this I miss a lot. So for me indica can be good thing in club too.
Mary jane is illegal, but CBD vape is legal where I am, so I vape CBD vape before I call escort service here, and it is odd what it does, it make me somehow more focus on sex and I see her body more clearly and oddly I am more horny, but of course I do not have body effect, maybe a bit but not that much though fact that I am more focus and horny make me feel bit more in vivid way.
I do miss my first few years of trying mary jane when I felt so intense feeling of each time when she touch me or more intense orgasm when I cum, this I lost throughout years even when I have long break from mary jane that is.
I never tried just using cbd vape in FKK club, I may give it a try because one thing cbd vape do not do is make you sleepy, but focus somehow as I mentioned above, so that can be good mix. CBD vape is odd, but some how it got some mild affect.
I always thought the above but JNPR30 yesterday posted a most refreshing and perhaps the most accurate and honest description of a 50 e session even more honest than many reviews I find extremely suspect of recent and thank him for posting such as a reminder for me to get my own act in gear.
As to the edibles, what if you can eat your Queen? Might that help :DYes. I really appreciate the recent reviews about poor service at Sharks etc. A year or two ago I felt that I was only reading reviews of great sessions and amazing experiences. The result was that I began to doubt myself and thought I would need to give up FKK. I realised around the same time thanks to some other more experienced posters like yourself, that I needed to take reviews with a pinch of salt. The catalyst was when Danny227 accused one of my reports as being a fantasy, if not a straight lie: I realised that reports were not automatically believed. Until the last few years I had been able to believe pretty much all reports, but now realise some contain an element of wishful thinking. So reports like the one from JNPR30 are a great help
LOL. Eating my Queen. That is a guaranteed stimulant.
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I have thought about crossing the Dutch border by train or car but am too worried to bring it in to Germany with my luck dogs would be on the train or some highway check would catch me.Never with a German number plate. Plenty of plain clothes German cops in Dutch border towns to monitor departures towards Germany. You then "unluckily" get pulled up on the German Autobahn. Train bad idea. Strong police presence, also because of refugees.
Kosher Kowboy
10-02-18, 13:02
Never with a German number plate. Plenty of plain clothes German cops in Dutch border towns to monitor departures towards Germany. You then "unluckily" get pulled up on the German Autobahn. Train bad idea. Strong police presence, also because of refugees.I was contacted privately with someone have e-mailed with a few times on his style with a reply similar to your sentiment at the end that of avoiding the trains w many refugees. He himself on the return to GER doesn't take a direct AMS to FRA or AMS to DUS route rather an AMS to ' a lesser known less populated German city' where one transfer to FRA or DUS is very easy essentially avoiding a ' Metropolis to Metropolis' or a ' Border town' like Venlo type pick up and hop back across, I wouldn't be in car either rather a train.
I also don't really need to go to AMS been so many times and truth be told the more out of AMS you get the quality actually goes up as the best stuff I was told and experienced is sold out in other cities (Alkmaar, Eindhover, Groningen) even the stuff I got in Utrecht and Rotterdam blew away the stuff from AMS. Every little town has an RLD to entertain me for the night even if I must be served and treated in the most non Catholic manner for one night.
As to the highway, I thought ' open borders' in the EU meant no more border checks (like the US / MEX border with massive traffic jams and lines) or even the very lax border crossings in to Canada usually a tiny little hut on the side of some highway usually a two lane rural one unless you are crossing in SEA DET or BUF / Niagra where the centers are huge.
As much as I love to smoke I simply have put a low priority on it as I am too old now to risk any issues with my passport or DHS coming back if I did have an issue that was stuck in some computer database so maybe just a day off or two in the Netherlands would suffice. I am too old also I think to put a rock of hashish in a condom and shove it up my rear.
I also have the option of getting it thru a WG at more than one establishment I have been too, tokers in all of them and I know the location where some of the girls in two clubs go to smoke outside and which girls I would need to ' get in' with and one I already fuck who feeds me tons of great info and gossip :D
Perhaps I will just grease her pocket up a tad more tell her to toss in some flowers, I can't see her refusing.
Thanks for the reply and the private ones I got too.
Kosher Kowboy
10-02-18, 14:34
Yes. I really appreciate the recent reviews about poor service at Sharks etc. A year or two ago I felt that I was only reading reviews of great sessions and amazing experiences. The result was that I began to doubt myself and thought I would need to give up FKK. I realised around the same time thanks to some other more experienced posters like yourself, that I needed to take reviews with a pinch of salt. So reports like the one from JNPR30 are a great help
.This trend be it ISG or a board in the USA is all too common. I appreciate the good with the bad reviews but bad reviews IMO need to be read much more carefully and the ' I am super monger ' ones with eyes rolled in the back of the head. Most guys aren't going to post ' I paid market and got shit service' but many more will pump their chests and embellish in the ole ' My dick is bigger than yours' style. A few months ago I started to read a lot of BS in several reviews and Sharks reviews were one thread full of junk however even in those chest pump reviews useful info arises. Just have to read with a pinch or grain of salt. One simply finds certain posters of which there are many to fully lean on for information and others to just read and roll your eyes and try to take from that review what one can.
I talk to a guy from this board now and than who IMHO knows probably more about the German scene than anyone I have met or read and that is meant more a complement to this guys knowledge than discounting others experiences. I wrote to him with a reference to a review not so long ago might even have been an Oase one asking him ' Do you actually believe this shit?
His reply was ' I believe maybe 10 percent of what I read at this point' and although I think 10 may be low ( or maybe sometimes high ) I certainly can see his point and fully relate to it. If one goes to Sharks or Oase with a 50 Euro note and gets ' wedding nights' good for them but if one is ever going to doubt themselves when reading the fluff simply refer to JNPR30 post, one of the best ever. If I didn't know any better (that JNPR30 was a seasoned monger who posts very accurately and honestly about everything) I would almost think his piece was scripted by a Shark herself and truth be told I have befriended a Shark or two not in the club anymore and what they tell me is the typical ' aimed for' session from a girls end is exactly what JNPR30 posted, that being said it is worthy of a re-post or bump as we say.
On the other hand, many girls also prefer to turn around a session fast. The idea is to get it done in a 10 to 15 min session. One minute of smooching + cuddling, 2 1/2 minutes of half hearted BJ, followed by a few strokes in which the guy finishes, preferably with a CIM, and even better some anal. All completed in 15 minutes.
HungryStud101
10-03-18, 01:02
This trend be it ISG or a board in the USA is all too common. I appreciate the good with the bad reviews but bad reviews IMO need to be read much more carefully and the ' I am super monger ' ones with eyes rolled in the back of the head. Most guys aren't going to post ' I paid market and got shit service' but many more will pump their chests and embellish in the ole ' My dick is bigger than yours' style. A few months ago I started to read a lot of BS in several reviews and Sharks reviews were one thread full of junk however even in those chest pump reviews useful info arises. Just have to read with a pinch or grain of salt. One simply finds certain posters of which there are many to fully lean on for information and others to just read and roll your eyes and try to take from that review what one can.
.And you write an honest report with the prices that you are being offered and you are vilified for it. If I wrote some bullshit that I was offered everything for 50 Euro /30 minute session would that make it so? I would have been perpetuating a myth. Some girls will and some won't. I call em like I see them.
This trend be it ISG or a board in the USA is all too common. I appreciate the good with the bad reviews but bad reviews IMO need to be read much more carefully and the ' I am super monger ' ones with eyes rolled in the back of the head. Most guys aren't going to post ' I paid market and got shit service' but many more will pump their chests and embellish in the ole ' My dick is bigger than yours' style. A few months ago I started to read a lot of BS in several reviews and Sharks reviews were one thread full of junk however even in those chest pump reviews useful info arises. Just have to read with a pinch or grain of salt. One simply finds certain posters of which there are many to fully lean on for information and others to just read and roll your eyes and try to take from that review what one can..Service wise.
Generally at NRW, service is very high beside oceans. Oceans, up sell is mild comparison to Artemis and palace, but upsell is very common in oceans.
Artemis and palace are equally bad for up sell, but both club do offer good service if you pay up, I can hear some going to say to me sure if you pay up you get good service, but there are girls in some clubs like I experienced in Oase where even you go for longer session, some girl offer just limited service, where as in palace and Artemis, you pay you get what you ask for is my experience.
From 2009 till 2015 ish, I did get 60 euro good service session (this is period I was just basing my self in Artemis), I presume it was so for many clubs during those period, but now just paying 50 euro or 60 euro and get it all 30 min session is almost myth in most big clubs close to city center.
For me, I do not mind mild upsell like going for longer hour with option like CIM thrown in or pay up to 50 euro more for GFE as long as session is solid and delivered, but it is not sure thing sometimes or not as I expect, that is the problem. For this, palace and Artemis was more sure delivery guaranteed in most cases when I paid up. I guess it is because girls there are more veteran than some nrw clubs.
Member #4581
10-03-18, 02:45
I talk to a guy from this board now and than who IMHO knows probably more about the German scene than anyone I have met or read and that is meant more a complement to this guys knowledge than discounting others experiences. I wrote to him with a reference to a review not so long ago might even have been an Oase one asking him ' Do you actually believe this shit?
His reply was ' I believe maybe 10 percent of what I read at this point' and although I think 10 may be low ( or maybe sometimes high ) I certainly can see his point and fully relate to it. If one goes to Sharks or Oase with a 50 Euro note and gets ' wedding nights' good for them but if one is ever going to doubt themselves when reading the fluff simply refer to JNPR30 post, one of the best ever. If I didn't know any better (that JNPR30 was a seasoned monger who posts very accurately and honestly about everything) I would almost think his piece was scripted by a Shark herself and truth be told I have befriended a Shark or two not in the club anymore and what they tell me is the typical ' aimed for' session from a girls end is exactly what JNPR30 posted, that being said it is worthy of a re-post or bump as we say.Hi KK,
Thanks for the compliment. Truth be told, I am just an amateur compared to most of you guys here, a mere dilettante -- but I like to think I write honest reviews here. That comment you referenced was somewhat tongue in cheek: "If a girl wanted to rip a guy off, how extreme it can get?" Are there such sessions happening? Probably, at least a few. Hopefully a small minority. I have no doubt many girls aspire to such sessions and almost no girls would be sorry if many of their sessions ended in such manner.
But it was in reply to the question "would and't girls prefer smaller dicks / soft dicks / etc". As Neuro said, I think the answer is no. Slow and soft bangers may not hurt the pussy but tend to occupy the full hour and for most girls that is not so attractive. I know this first hand, because I squarely fall into that category -- at first I used to think "I must be a great customer from the pov of the girls". Then I did not see all of them being so enthusiastic about repeat sessions with me. Then I realized it is not me personally, it was my tendency to take full hour. I considered what to do about this and decided "nothing". I take many sessions knowing full well that I will not finish in most of them, and hence I will try to at least drag it on till the end even if some/many girls are annoyed and irritated.
ExpatLover
10-03-18, 05:36
Hi KK,
Thanks for the compliment. Truth be told, I am just an amateur compared to most of you guys here, a mere dilettante -- but I like to think I write honest reviews here. That comment you referenced was somewhat tongue in cheek: "If a girl wanted to rip a guy off, how extreme it can get?" Are there such sessions happening? Probably, at least a few. Hopefully a small minority. I have no doubt many girls aspire to such sessions and almost no girls would be sorry if many of their sessions ended in such manner.
But it was in reply to the question "would and't girls prefer smaller dicks / soft dicks / etc". As Neuro said, I think the answer is no. Slow and soft bangers may not hurt the pussy but tend to occupy the full hour and for most girls that is not so attractive. I know this first hand, because I squarely fall into that category -- at first I used to think "I must be a great customer from the pov of the girls". Then I did not see all of them being so enthusiastic about repeat sessions with me. Then I realized it is not me personally, it was my tendency to take full hour. I considered what to do about this and decided "nothing". I take many sessions knowing full well that I will not finish in most of them, and hence I will try to at least drag it on till the end even if some/many girls are annoyed and irritated.If I understood well you are fucking the girls has long they can accept it without coming even it can last 1 hour, probably you should ask yourself why you have to behave like that, to showing this kind of power to poor girls from Romania, when the man are strong and powerful they don t need to demonstrate it, but may be I am wrong. Probably you are taking some blue pills.
And you write an honest report with the prices that you are being offered and you are vilified for it. If I wrote some bullshit that I was offered everything for 50 Euro /30 minute session would that make it so? I would have been perpetuating a myth. Some girls will and some won't. I call em like I see them.I found your report on the prices offered you to be helpful. I was, and this is just my personal campaign, cheered that you tried to resist.
As for 50 for 30 all included sessions, they are not so hard to find, but this varies from club to club. So if you find one, please write.
HungryStud101
10-03-18, 15:00
I found your report on the prices offered you to be helpful. I was, and this is just my personal campaign, cheered that you tried to resist.
As for 50 for 30 all included sessions, they are not so hard to find, but this varies from club to club. So if you find one, please write.Thanks Optimist.
Yes, and I had three 50 Euro /30 minute sessions at Sharks in my September campaign at Sharks. So they can be had there too. I am just more attracted to the more popular girls that would not go to the room for that. My way to get them into a reasonable price is to offer to pay for an extra service like a BJ that i like with a finish that I like and that didn't work for several of them. And when the girls dig in their heels they can be adamant. I can think of only two occasions in FKK land where the negotiation was at an impasse and the girl came down to my price (Anastasia in March and Claudia last trip). My experience is that either the girl will say OK right away without much negotiating or they dig in their heels and say no.
I believe that you are right that there are other clubs where the 50 E /30 minute session is a matter of course. I remember my one visit of the Living Room to be that way but that was only two data points in 1 day.
I will say the following:
I have never had a BJ with a cover ever in any FKK.
You are right about familiarity and getting a better deal. Here is my data using Gina of Sharks as an example:
March. Approached Gina for a 30 min 50 E date and she told me to take a hike. She was quite disturbed by my offer and I don't think I would of had her at nay reasonable price.
September. Approached Gina with 100 E /1 hour and had a great time with two Shots on Goal (SOG).
September +1 week. I approached Gina again a week after our successful date and I said "let's do the same as last week" and we went to the room for an hour but we cut the date short after the first SOG and we cut the date short and she charged me 50 E /30 minutes.
So you see by the above example that regular customers will get better pricing and better deals than the sex tourists.
I also have two examples of where your favorite girl can take advantage of you in the room and decide she is going to just snuggle in the room. This was something else you had mentioned.
Next trip I promise to branch out a little more and do some more exploring of other clubs. I will return to Sharks because I like the atmosphere, there are a lot of good girls there, and besides, I like the Sauna team and Dieters sauna treatments.
Kosher Kowboy
10-03-18, 15:32
Thanks Optimist.
Yes, and I had three 50 Euro /30 minute sessions at Sharks in my September campaign at Sharks. So they can be had there too. I am just more attracted to the more popular girls that would not go to the room for that. My way to get them into a reasonable price is to offer to pay for an extra service like a BJ that i like with a finish that I like and that didn't work for several of them. Your reviews were informative and entertaining as well and my references weren't aimed at you, in fact I think you hit nail on the head that the top of the LU for most part is not going for 50 wedding nights more so the next tier down or below. Your negotiating method presented is a very respectable one, I try something similar at times.
I am sure some long timers and regular guys (perhaps grandfathered in at low rates) or local Germans who know the best days to go like we do here ' when rent is due' might get more value out of a 50 but in general I do not think the average John is walking in and getting 50 Euro all inclusive services. If they are all the power to them. Some of my opinions were not always related to reviews but also to comments and replies. But my opinion is just that, others may interpret differently. That is the wonder of these sites, one can post as they wish and one can read as they wish and decipher what others have chosen to share in a manner they choose whether they want to take what was posted at face value or with a grain of salt or no grain of salt or anywhere in between.
Member #4636
10-03-18, 17:13
Thanks Optimist..I had the same experience with a girl that gave me CIM for free after our third session together. It basically has to do on how well you know and respect each other.
On the other hand there are some girls that not only provide better service and pricing but ask for more as a tip.
ExpatLover
10-03-18, 19:13
I found your report on the prices offered you to be helpful. I was, and this is just my personal campaign, cheered that you tried to resist.
As for 50 for 30 all included sessions, they are not so hard to find, but this varies from club to club. So if you find one, please write.Optimist let us be a little bit serious obviously I have a lot of them 50 euros for 30 minutes with great girls but will I share it definitively not.
On the other hand, many girls also prefer to turn around a session fast. The idea is to get it done in a 10 to 15 min session. One minute of smooching + cuddling, 2 1/2 minutes of half hearted BJ, followed by a few strokes in which the guy finishes, preferably with a CIM, and even better some anal. All completed in 15 minutes.This is how some WGs choose to operate. I think I've uttered similar words, although I may not have quantified it with numbers as well as you did. It was in response to ISGers whenever they said something along the lines of "How can WGs be so myopic? How can WGs be so stupid and not understand the value of earning repeat business?" My response was that these WGs are NOT stupid. These WGs observe other WGs. They talk to other WGs. They have a general idea of what the "sweet" WGs make and a general idea of what the WGs who choose the "dark side" make. And they adopt the style that works best for them (or what they are able to tolerate).
Like you said, some WGs can make 200 EUR in 15 minutes of work. If these WGs can find 3 suckers per day, that is 600 EUR. And only 45 minutes of actual customer facing time. 600 EUR earned may not put them in the 95th percentile of top-earners, but guess what, these WGs can spend 15 hours of the day smoking and speaking Romanian with their friends. This is how WGs who hate their job keep their sanity. That is worth more than money.
As Craiova used to say, most WGs hate their customers (or they hate their jobs and customers become simply the target of that hatred). Most WGs are able to hide their hatred to a certain degree. But pretending to like someone you hate "full-time" has a mental cost. It is mentally exhausting. That's why some WGs don't mind having their head buried in the pillow, taking it doggy for 5-10 minutes. They don't have to talk. They don't have to pretend to be interested in what the customer has to say. They need not be mentally engaged. And when they are not mentally engaged, they can mentally check out and imagine themselves being in their "happy place".
HungryStud101
10-04-18, 03:47
Your reviews were informative and entertaining as well and my references weren't aimed at you, in fact I think you hit nail on the head that the top of the LU for most part is not going for 50 wedding nights more so the next tier down or below. Your negotiating method presented is a very respectable one, I try something similar at times.
.Thanks KK: I think this got buried in another thread so I will repost here:
You can see from my reports on ISG that I first came to FKK land to the mega clubs circa 2011. At the time a Monger like myself only needed enough for entry fee and and four, 50 Euro bills. Three of the 50 Euro bills were for each of the three sessions and you held back one 50 Euro bill in case you had an accidental discharge in a WG's mouth. Those were the days. I had returned to the FKK scene in the Frankfurt area last year just prior to the new law and things had changed. However, I adapted. I was told just give them 100 E for the hour and you will have the date you wanted. This seemed to work for awhile with most girls but I have to say that someone has moved my cheese again! So I tried the tact of 100 E for 30 minutes but I tried to negotiate an extra service like a BJ that I like with a finish that I like and this worked for a few girls. However, some girls wouldn't even go for this and they wanted 150 E /30 minutes with the extra services and they were adamant. And liked Misha said, there are tiers of girls at Sharks. If I want to pay less than I should go with the old ones or the not so pretty ones. My retort was come back when you agree to my offer and she said "I will never. " And she was right about one thing: The girls I was attracted to the most often seemed to want to go to the room for no less than the 100 E /30 minutes for a GFE date and they wouldn't throw in the extra service. And this was not the word of two tutes. This was with several girls and I think it was no coincidence that it was with some of the girls I considered the hottest in the club. A GFE session was going for 100 E for 30 minutes.
I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?I have found solid hot 5 10 tall hot girl friend who wants to marry me. I think everyone on this forum has a soul of Hugh Hefner within them and therefore we won't quit this hobby. The magic word is curiosity. We all are men who want to keep exploring their manhood which is good. I did felt once or twice that got bored of this same routine but life is too short to explore your sexual manhood worldwide. You might be bored if you only focus on one country but there are over 200 countries. This life is very short to even explore 25% of the world beauty and that's if your lucky. I liked someone review on this forums who compared sex like eating food. You want to eat different kind of food and sex is similar. Nevertheless, I don't know how you are bored as you haven't even touched 10% of the beauty yet. Imagine Hugh Hefner who used to bang playmates of the month every month for 5 decades. Come on. Your bored already. Its a marathon.
ExpatLover
10-04-18, 05:26
Thanks KK: I think this got buried in another thread so I will repost here:
You can see from my reports on ISG that I first came to FKK land to the mega clubs circa 2011. At the time a Monger like myself only needed enough for entry fee and and four, 50 Euro bills. Three of the 50 Euro bills were for each of the three sessions and you held back one 50 Euro bill in case you had an accidental discharge in a WG's mouth. Those were the days. I had returned to the FKK scene in the Frankfurt area last year just prior to the new law and things had changed. However, I adapted. I was told just give them 100 E for the hour and you will have the date you wanted. This seemed to work for awhile with most girls but I have to say that someone has moved my cheese again! So I tried the tact of 100 E for 30 minutes but I tried to negotiate an extra service like a BJ that I like with a finish that I like and this worked for a few girls. However, some girls wouldn't even go for this and they wanted 150 E /30 minutes with the extra services and they were adamant. And liked Misha said, there are tiers of girls at Sharks. If I want to pay less than I should go with the old ones or the not so pretty ones. My retort was come back when you agree to my offer and she said "I will never. " And she was right about one thing: The girls I was attracted to the most often seemed to want to go to the room for no less than the 100 E /30 minutes for a GFE date and they wouldn't throw in the extra service. And this was not the word of two tutes. This was with several girls and I think it was no coincidence that it was with some of the girls I considered the hottest in the club. A GFE session was going for 100 E for 30 minutes.The girls are free to fix their prices, probably you are looking like tourist (you don't speak German) therefor they fix this kind of price structure, never forget that the clubs are controlled by the Romanian girls mafia, 80% have a BF, pimp or are married there interest is to suck as much cash as possible by giving as less service as possible.
It is amazing to realize how society evolved as we advance into the future.
Years ago, not so long ago, beautiful women are available for only few and if you want two at same time to your choice it was available for only much fewer few like king or such.
However, with evolution of prostitution industries in all platforms, we now can hand pick our selection of beautiful young girls as we want it for very reasonable cost.
Once upon a time, most girls works in brothel are not exactly young and most beautiful, now we find young and very beautiful girls at certain brothels if we bother to and have courage to research and travel.
This is amazing stand point and I sure like the view.
Rather than recounting how good or how poor an FKK was the day before, mongers with internet access who encounter a noteworthy situation upon arrival would send in a short notification for the benefit of other mongers within range. The date, the time and a one-liner like "LU rocks", or "Sausage fest" or "Few girls and few men" would suffice. Alternatively, such alerts could be posted in the relevant thread for each FKK. The idea is to spread any good or bad news proactively rather than write up a "good" report about it when it's too late.
Rather than recounting how good or how poor an FKK was the day before, mongers with internet access who encounter a noteworthy situation upon arrival would send in a short notification for the benefit of other mongers within range. The date, the time and a one-liner like "LU rocks", or "Sausage fest" or "Few girls and few men" would suffice. Alternatively, such alerts could be posted in the relevant thread for each FKK. The idea is to spread any good or bad news proactively rather than write up a "good" report about it when it's too late.Well it is lounge and chat here, so it is more laid back relaxed on sofa kinda conversations, so I think anything goes, if one do not like the contents of others, maybe skipping through it is efficient way rather than controlling it like German authority is trying to control our BBBJ LOL.
It is amazing to realize how society evolved as we advance into the future.
Years ago, not so long ago, beautiful women are available for only few and if you want two at same time to your choice it was available for only much fewer few like king or such.Enjoying your well spoke articulation Mr Ho across so many your posts and to harmonize with your philosophies! Upon discover of FKK, I wish I had never marry long ago to fail in divorces several year ago. Simpler to have original avoid my hideous marriage, it such waste of energy time false love. Ah, instead to save and invest moneys for passive income streams, enjoy career and hobbies, occasionally bask in the hospitality of FKK as of now.
Soon after I arrive, my sight is fixed on this tiny little exotic girl. Name is Zainab. She claims half Turkish half Rom ethnicity. Absolutely my typical optical spec. Lithe body, tiny creature, around 5 ft tall, small delicious tits; some freckles on the face.Can confirm Zeynep is amaze girl. She is gift from Gods. However, believe name spelled "Zeynep" as it is likely Turkish. "Zainab" is Paki, and she is not Paki.
Interesting as she have top optic exotic Middle Eastern facial structure, dark hair and brow, olive skin combined with all-natural girl next door spinner body; I recall she is this wonderful natural pink in all her sensitive places, with? No body hair perhaps from Romanian genes.
Enjoying richness of her exotic company to contrast my pale albino-ness. Eye contact excellent if you treat her as gentleman and take slow with long session.
Kosher Kowboy
10-04-18, 18:54
On the other hand, many girls also prefer to turn around a session fast. The idea is to get it done in a 10 to 15 min session. One minute of smooching + cuddling, 2 1/2 minutes of half hearted BJ, followed by a few strokes in which the guy finishes, preferably with a CIM, and even better some anal. All completed in 15 minutes.
.Sorry JNPR, going to steal this excerpt again and tie it in with some points Gino02 has made in the Mainhatten / Palace threads and add to it some thoughts I had gathered that come from another point of view, that of the WG, a former Shark in fact. I don't think anything she told me is anything the vets don't already know but I did take a little info from what she said and will stick it in the back of my head. The session you describe above is perhaps not the typical session but it is the goal of the girls IF we collectively let them get away with such. It's why I am bumping it again.
This is simply my observation based on what I read
These girls (even the most beautiful girl in any FKK) need our 50 e more than we need the BBBJ or DFK or whatever else they are trying to scam you as extras.
For customers who take the easy route without negotiating (same in any business for that matter), there is no standard rate. These WG's takes whatever more they can, again same in most other businesses.
JNPR has given us a ' worst case ' session that will most likely be exactly what will occur if a guy does not negotiate and is simply a punching bag. Gino's comment they need our Euros more than we need their pussy basically is in fact admitted to by this girl yet they will not let on to this rather try to make the guy think the opposite. Correct again on no standard rate, the standard rate is the most they can get out of you once they sniff money or smell blood and always case specific based on their gut feelings and the angles they will work upon profiling and reading the john in front of them.
I am posting this excerpt of a conversation in my words yet her thoughts more so to benefit guys who are the most vulnerable class, the first time tourists and guys who do little to no research as we know the more experience a guy gets the less vulnerable they are. I'll wrap up showing a classic case of how a WG is always working and they don't stop even if they are your ' friend' although I think once in a blue moon an exception is had but also IMHO some guys think the moon is blue when it is not even any shade close to blue and is being played still. It isn't called a trick for nothing. As most know the girls profile us instantly. I was given my profile at least at Sharks.
An American who comes in who has some kind of money and rotates clubs, tries for 50 e sessions but has several times gone for a 50+50 and recently has been doing hours with regulars so she told me they will all (upper tiered ones mainly) gun for a 100 session knowing such and my odds of nailing down as Gino described a session at 50 from a top tiered girl (hot girl) as she put it are going to be low (although time of day, number guys in club etc. May sway this) as I am already labeled as a ' hold out'; one who has more money to spend, maybe crackable maybe not. At the same time they know you repeat and come around more than a few times and not a drive by so they know you know how to walk away and find another and they know I will go for a lower hanging fruit w / o hesitation where she says I will get a deal and as she says, giving the shop away for 50 especially in the lower tiers. That is the see-saw I am up against. In a nutshell I can't cry poverty but they know if they squeeze too hard they are really losing out on a 100 not 50 as they know I will cough it up and truth be told I will be going for the hours aiming for the best value and most services. She has me pegged, what can I say. Point being these girls are extremely intelligent and if known will still use your profile and if unknown they will go for the gold medal until they feel they can't get it but too many hand it over as Gino points out. Gino's advise is sound.
She claims her job starts from the moment of initial contact and it is her job to close the deal and work the guy until the moment she is paid and she doesn't take her mind off what potentially can come out of that box from the moment of the greeting. Three opportunities to make money off a guy she claims. I also believe that she says almost the majority of the time she can tell within a minute or less how much she is looking at coming out of the box from negotiated price, upsells and tips just from having fucked god knows how many thousands and thousands of men. I too can tell in less than a minute usually what might go down at least judge her attitude at the minimum. Not rocket science. These three chances to make money are as follow, windows of opportunity.
1) The negotiated price on the floor.
2) Upsells in the room and finally.
3) A tip.
Never does the WG per her lose sight of 2 and 3 above and while negotiating the 'initial contract price ' will take in to account what she thinks 2 and 3 will or will not bring and negotiates accordingly to maximize what she walks in to the Vashing Room with NOT what she agrees upon on the floor (the net is what her mind is on) . She may think he is an easy tipper or someone who will easily buy an extra and slide a little on the floor or visa versa, she ain't getting shit in 2 or 3 and will lay all her cards on the table in that ' initial contract. ' At the same time MOST men are focused only on 1 so the girl is two steps ahead and in her mind a slight advantage which is where a tip she gave me comes in. One may ask why she is bothering to tell me all this, will be clear at the end.
The goal she tells me (will put in my words) for the wise guy is during their first window of opportunity on the floor for the guy to flip the cards and slam windows number 2 and 3 shut. Force the girl in to a position on the floor to agree to one price and clearly let her know she is not to try to move the goal posts upstairs nor ask for a tip otherwise they certainly will, with the exceptions of regulars already locked in to their rates. A smart girl as she says who knows you aren't a one time in and out visitor will not only respect this but recognizing the best tip is a repeat will have very little incentive to upsell you in the room nor ask for a tip although she may hold out hopes for a tip. The girl will know if she tries to open up Window 2 or 3 once ' under contract' the odds of you repeating with her are slim to none and slim has one foot out the door. She says if the girl hints at a tip on the floor to tell her ' I take care of my regulars. ' Not a yes, not a no, girl will get the message.
I have always taken the approach negotiate a deal and tell her that is the bottom line and up the stairs. She tells me to reverse that. You tell the girl in your own words the below, and this can be implemented by rookies and vets alike although most vets have a style that works for them already. I am really not giving advise here, I am simply relaying a girl's thoughts.
' I am happy to talk about going to the room and your services but before I waste our time want to make it clear I want to do business downstairs but once upstairs not discuss money or other services or be asked for a tip in the middle of our fun as it can ruin the mood and I want us to enjoy ourselves not be stressed out; upstairs is for fun downstairs is for business. ' (Word it however you want).
Windows 2 and 3 just closed for most girls, the girl will respect you, she will know she can't push you and can only hope you repeat and perhaps tip her. She also has especially if you are some what known much more incentive to give you a great session not only in hopes of that lucky tip but that you will be back and if she pulls any crap on you, she is history.
She also did say plenty of girls will give what Gino02 states comes with 50 e but your odds are much higher if you take control. Now why is this girl telling me this? Why is she giving away ' secrets' even though I think she knows I know all this. Why is she sitting on this couch with me (even though was dead) giving me all this free time? The answer is because she is working and a WG never stops working even when not in the room. For starters this girl has made several hundred off me and wants to keep it that way. She knows there are two others I would go with if they got to me first so she is making sure she is providing ' something for free' to perhaps gain a step up. But there was one more pitch she had to throw, I knew this pitch was coming and sure enough back to my ' Sharks Advise. '.
She than proceeded to tell me she knows I am a 50/100 guy but asked me if you went for 150 or 200 she'd tell me who to go with for the best time and what I might want. '.
LOL! I had a grin on my face, she read it clearly and said " I had to try, it's my job'.
Point being, she gave me the whole Sharks lowdown and fed me attention not to really help me at Sharks rather to lead in to how she could possibly get me up in price at Mainhatten. Doesn't take a rocket scientist at NASA to ask ' Is she really trying to coach me for Sharks or to make more off me at Mainhatten than she already does?' ; obviously the latter. She knows I have it to spend so why not try. She was working window 4 the whole time. And number 5 as well. 4 was the ' trying to see if I will go up to 150 or 200' and 5 was a multipurpose, the first being to try to determine what extra service she may have to toss in to get more of an upper hand on the others and finally she is going for the TKO of two girls she knows are a threat to her income stream if I drift their direction. She knows I will drop 600-1200 Euros per trip in there and wants more. I am a john, not her friend. Those other two girls are not her friends they are competition moving in on what she sees as her money. She could give two shits about me!! However, she is a great girl stays on payroll and I have the utmost respect for her, she is doing her job.
Point being, a WG never stops working and even in times they appear to be your friend they are counting Euros.
I doubt much above will help any vets out there but hopefully some of the newbies and guys who may have been pushed over will pull something from the mind of a WG and use it to their advantage. I fully intend to take her advise on not discussing prices / services until the girl is made fully aware when we go upstairs it is only for fun. Always something to learn.
I have attempted to quote JNPR here and Gino02 whose sessions described are representative of opposite ends of the potential spectrum and add to it what is in the mind of a WG, to not lose sight of the big picture that we are just money and maybe something she conveyed and the fact the entire time she was helping me she was really working on my money!
Hopefully the 3 posts combined may help avoid some broken links, as they say ' we are only as strong as our weakest link'.
Thanks for reading either way in case I failed, I am just passing time in this sex prison until my parole date the end of the month!
At the same time MOST men are focused only on 1 so the girl is two steps ahead and in her mind a slight advantage which is where a tip she gave me comes in. One may ask why she is bothering to tell me all this, will be clear at the end.All your advice is useful, but not that actionable for mongers you describe above. Either JNPR or TankTank provided the technical term for this, "inelasticity". Once a car salesman knows the buyer is only interested in the two most popular high-end sports car and only in one or two specific colors, it's over. The salesman has the customer by the jugular. As I said you before, you reached the nirvana that not many other mongers reach, where you are able to session 75 percent of the LU. So if a WG says something to you, you can move down to the next prospective WG in YOUR queue without flinching. That in itself is extremely powerful in negotiation. You can easily purchase the ugly gold colored sedan that has been sitting on the lot for six months. I am sure some guys will pretend to be interested in the ugly gold-colored sedan, but any good salesman will see that the customer is faking. Because as you said, they log hundred interactions approaches each shift.
She says if the girl hints at a tip on the floor to tell her ' I take care of my regulars. ' Not a yes, not a no, girl will get the message.Do the Manhattan or Sharks WGs know about your extracurriculars at Daycare? They may assume that you are one of the guys who never cums. Mongers who don't cum, generally, are known for longer and more frequent rooms, because they aren't cum-depleted and still have unlimited desire to well penetrate, with minimal rest breaks if they so choose. I think this might lead WGs to think that you have some potential upside. Plenty of mongers write that this is how they get many of their AO offers (I. E. During a four-hour room with a WG who has never seen him cum before). It is a matter of personal and professional pride for her to make her customer cum. So she finally just says "baby, let me finish you AO". Of course, as you say, these WGs are always working. So more likely they see an opportunity to move up the rankings list of a proven, loyal, and good spender. It's a way to make herself indispensable and become that mongers go-to-girl.
Other potential upsides are the lovesick monger who is ready to sign over his entire estate. These guys are the romantic type who want to DFK passionately, cuddle, chat, stare deeply into her eyes, social media, full romantic outside the club experience. If WG's see a monger who FKK wives, they may assume he falls into this category. These mongers need not be the biggest spenders in absolute terms, but because their spending is funneled to one WG, this type of a customer is considered a good "catch".
These may be types who actually have weight when they say "I take care of my regulars". By the way, you definitely don't seem to be the second type. The WG would not have divulged secrets of the trade with someone she wanted to perpetuate the illusion with.
Kosher Kowboy
10-04-18, 21:18
. As I said you before, you reached the nirvana that not many other mongers reach, where you are able to session 75 percent of the LU.
Do the Manhattan or Sharks WGs know about your extracurriculars at Daycare? They may assume that you are one of the guys who never cums.
Other potential upsides are the lovesick monger who is ready to sign over his entire estate.
. By the way, you definitely don't seem to be the second type. The WG would not have divulged secrets of the trade with someone she wanted to perpetuate the illusion with.I don't think I would or could ever become one to do 75 percent of a lineup, not enough time or money to do that many. I guess if I never came or came every few sessions could knock out many more, not my style, at least not yet.
I do not tell girls at any club where else I go except back in the early 2016 when they used to ask ' first time here?' ; this one just happened to recognize me from Sharks.
What estate? Anything I had got wiped out today!
For sure not lovesick this one just wants to sink her claws in to more of the money I do spend when I go, protect and / or increase her share.
Enjoying your well spoke articulation Mr Ho across so many your posts and to harmonize with your philosophies! Upon discover of FKK, I wish I had never marry long ago to fail in divorces several year ago. Simpler to have original avoid my hideous marriage, it such waste of energy time false love. Ah, instead to save and invest moneys for passive income streams, enjoy career and hobbies, occasionally bask in the hospitality of FKK as of now.It is better late than never o / you still got plenty of time to enjoy FKK while FKK last and yeah I noticed marriage is not for everybody and not for me because I like varieties.
I love eating, but if I eat sushi everyday, I get bored, so I try kobe beef next day, then I get bored, then I try ramen next day, then I get bored, then I go for Italian food like pasta, pizza etc.
For me it is same with beautiful girls, I like to change when I get bored and I realize I do get bored with even very beautiful girls, I am repeater, so I repeat girls I like, but I realize after about 3 to 4 years of fucking her and talking to her, I get bored, so I change or change FKK area I go to for my trip.
Since I realize I like varieties of beautiful girls and also I like to change them after few years of repeating them in room, I realize marriage is not for me.
Happy happiness hunting in FKK, it is never too late, even one is old, we got science world backing us up with magical blue pills of future to come LOL!
Steve 9696
10-04-18, 23:24
Anyone here know the Artemis scoop? Got a whole lotta zip on my query in that board.
I don't think I would or could ever become one to do 75 percent of a lineup, not enough time or money to do that many. I guess if I never came or came every few sessions could knock out many more, not my style, at least not yet.I didn't mean that you would or could physically penetrate 75 percent of the LU. I meant you find 75 percent of the WGs acceptable or doable.
Let's imagine Sharks hypothetically adopted an Asian fish bowl concept. Meaning 100 WGs would be presented to you behind the glass, with each WG wearing a number. Since you can't interview them all at at once, you'd instinctively rank all 100 by optics, and the mamasan would bring each one into your room individually so you could interview them. If the first 74 turned out to be complete cunts, each trying to triple their rate, you would still on principle, have no issues with telling those first 74 to take a hike, and you will choose that 75th WG who gave you the good service "vibe". You'd still be relatively happy with contestant number 75, even though initially you found 74 WGs hotter than her. You have the negotiation leverage because you can be flexible on optics.
Optics-oriented mongers will just ask the mamasan to bring in the top three optic WGs for interview. The three WGs could all turn out be utter cunts and / or triple their rates. He will simply pick the "best" interviewee from those three. Or he will go home without a session. Effectively 97 are eliminated from consideration almost immediately. One of those 97, one could have been the wedding night session of his mongering career. It doesn't matter to him. He is not willing to lower his optic standard. This type of monger could literally attend the club 100 consecutive days. He would simply rotate between those three top optics for all of his 100 visits. The other 97 WGs would be ignored. Again he is unwilling to lower his optical standard. Those three WGs know that they are hot commodities and that they have leverage on this type of monger who is unwilling to "settle". If you have a few of these mongers with this mentality (ahem Asians) present on the same Saturday night, we end up with bidding wars for these popular WGs.
I didn't mean that you would or could physically penetrate 75 percent of the LU. I meant you find 75 percent of the WGs acceptable or doable.
Let's imagine Sharks hypothetically adopted an Asian fish bowl concept. Meaning 100 WGs would be presented to you behind the glass, with each WG wearing a number. Since you can't interview them all at at once, you'd instinctively rank all 100 by optics, and the mamasan would bring each one into your room individually so you could interview them. If the first 74 turned out to be complete cunts, each trying to triple their rate, you would still on principle, have no issues with telling those first 74 to take a hike, and you will choose that 75th WG who gave you the good service "vibe". You'd still be relatively happy with contestant number 75, even though initially you found 74 WGs hotter than her. You have the negotiation leverage because you can be flexible on optics.
Optics-oriented mongers will just ask the mamasan to bring in the top three optic WGs for interview. The three WGs could all turn out be utter cunts and / or triple their rates. He will simply pick the "best" interviewee from those three. Or he will go home without a session. Effectively 97 are eliminated from consideration almost immediately. One of those 97, one could have been the wedding night session of his mongering career. It doesn't matter to him. He is not willing to lower his optic standard. This type of monger could literally attend the club 100 consecutive days. He would simply rotate between those three top optics for all of his 100 visits. The other 97 WGs would be ignored. Again he is unwilling to lower his optical standard. Those three WGs know that they are hot commodities and that they have leverage on this type of monger who is unwilling to "settle". If you have a few of these mongers with this mentality (ahem Asians) present on the same Saturday night, we end up with bidding wars for these popular WGs.Very good points McA. I would also add that there is a "strength in numbers", and even occasional tourists may learn about the "standard" rates from these ISG discussions. Probably that's why the sharky scammer girls (even some high optifucks) had to move from Sharks to other clubs in last couple of weeks, after they failed to scam even the occasional tourist mongers there? If majority of the customers (both locals and tourists) stick to the "standard" rates, maybe even those top 3 WGs in your example will eventually agree to the standard rates or simply go out of business (or try scam in another club but that also will not work if the customers there stick to the "standard" rates)? I doubt that all tourists (or Asians) can or want to pay double or triple than the "standard" rates when they really know what these "standard" rates are. There may be occasional few who will pay double or triple as in a bidding war, but even those 3 top optifuck WGs cannot make enough to sustain the months / years from these few occasional mongers, and hence they will be trying other clubs where they hope they can scam naive mongers.
Strength in monger numbers (those who support the "standard" rates)! And long live Eastern Europe for sending so many nice and beautiful girls every year to this wonderful service industry to uplift mental and physical health of the hard working men from all over the world, and in turn also help themselves and folks back home in EE towards a better life. I know I had put at least couple of these top optifuck WGs thru college and now they have a whole different good life, and at least one to buy an apartment back home as a rental property; all following the "standard" rates that they were very happy to adhere to. This is a win-win situation for everyone, let's try to keep it that way without promoting any scam by anyone?
Polyamorist
10-05-18, 02:55
This discussion confirms what I always thought. The only reason guys go to Sharks and other MMFKKs is that they get more a high from negotiation than they do from sex.
This discussion confirms what I always thought. The only reason guys go to Sharks and other MMFKKs is that they get more a high from negotiation than they do from sex.You want negotiation? Palace and Artemis is the place to be for negotiation, palace more.
ExpatLover
10-05-18, 05:25
Strength in monger numbers (those who support the "standard" rates)! And long live Eastern Europe for sending so many nice and beautiful girls every year to this wonderful service industry to uplift mental and physical health of the hard working men from all over the world, and in turn also help themselves and folks back home in EE towards a better life.
What a naive approach of what is really behind the scene, are you aware that 80% of the girls have a pimp, a BF or are married. That a lot of them are heavy drinker and smoker, drug addicts and are suffering mental desister after several months in a FKK.
Just try to follow a girl during several months or years and see how she will change from the first day or week in a club and after 6 months, for most of them it is terrible.
I don't think I would or could ever become one to do 75 percent of a lineup, not enough time or money to do that many. I guess if I never came or came every few sessions could knock out many more, not my style, at least not yet.
I do not tell girls at any club where else I go except back in the early 2016 when they used to ask ' first time here?' ; this one just happened to recognize me from Sharks.
What estate? Anything I had got wiped out today!
For sure not lovesick this one just wants to sink her claws in to more of the money I do spend when I go, protect and / or increase her share.When I first discovered FKK, I was like a kid in Disney land for first time, I was like what Mike Tyson would describe it as professional prostitute hunter LOL!
If you go with GND, I wonder why to pay when you have many in streets or bar. I pay only for beauties and I prefer when they are elegant for look and manners.
At big Sharks or Oase, most often I don't even find only 1, when she would be enough for my pleasure.
If you choose a not busy GND and make her business, you should get much for free, to give you the will to spend for her and repeat.
However, I adapted. I was told just give them 100 E for the hour and you will have the date you wanted. This seemed to work for awhile with most girls but I have to say that someone has moved my cheese again!.I often see a few reports of how terrible price for service have changed but must say that even though I am generally a top optics guy, I've only had 2-3 girls in my FKK career that declined the good service for 1 HR and 100 euro. I can't actually even think of 3 girls and the two girls I do remember are both Oase girls.
BigBuddy69
10-05-18, 18:33
This discussion confirms what I always thought. The only reason guys go to Sharks and other MMFKKs is that they get more a high from negotiation than they do from sex.Or they don't negotiate at all and they just like getting it deep in the ass.
ExpatLover
10-05-18, 19:49
This discussion confirms what I always thought. The only reason guys go to Sharks and other MMFKKs is that they get more a high from negotiation than they do from sex.Very strange post, no I go to Shark just because it is the club were you have the largest LU and may be the prettiest girls are there, final point.
If you go with GND, I wonder why to pay when you have many in streets or bar. I pay only for beauties and I prefer when they are elegant for look and manners.
At big Sharks or Oase, most often I don't even find only 1, when she would be enough for my pleasure.
If you choose a not busy GND and make her business, you should get much for free, to give you the will to spend for her and repeat.What so odd is that you do actually find elegant girl in FKK sometimes, like how did you get here front of me in FKK main bar kinda girl, but this is rare.
Oh I miss my elegant German, Czech, Austrian girls. Now I mostly find porno beauty girl only or if lucky next door hot girl or even more lucky hottest girl in college girl, but elegant ones are long gone.
If you go with GND, I wonder why to pay when you have many in streets or bar. I pay only for beauties and I prefer when they are elegant for look and manners.
At big Sharks or Oase, most often I don't even find only 1, when she would be enough for my pleasure.
If you choose a not busy GND and make her business, you should get much for free, to give you the will to spend for her and repeat.Don't forget that a GND in Paris is not equal to a GND in Sweden, or in Italy or in Canada or in Japan. GND is a very personal term. Same can be said about sophisticated or elegant.
Taller girls have been deemed to look more elegant compared to shorter girls on studies looking at what men conceive. But shorter girls were at the same study found to appear more sexy and symmetric.
Some girls do sit more and just look around the room, while other girls get up and walk. The idea some sitters have is that they feel they appear more relaxed and nonchalant. And this can possibly appear more sophisticated also. But the sexual result of it is bad blood circulation and a growing butt. So I prefer the walkers.
If you go with GND, I wonder why to pay when you have many in streets or bar. I pay only for beauties and I prefer when they are elegant for look and manners.Is it because 20 year old GNDs don't often go home and have sex with 55 year old men for free?
Professioanl Prostitute Hunter forever, PPH!
I have been thinking about the right rational prompt answer for how many pussy of beautiful girls you can fuck? How professional prostitute hunter would answer this?
So it does like this, you like eating good food? I do like eating good food, I do not like eating bad food, so my answer to how many good food can you eat is till I die I eat good food.
So I would say rationally, how many beautiful girls pussy, mouth and anal can we fuck is till the day I die, if my dick one day do not go up anymore, I will rely on science world for future medication to pump up my dick and libido so I can fuck young beautiful girls till I die.
It is dream for men to fuck many beautiful girls as we can and we want, we very minority mongers called professional prostitute hunter made that dream into reality, so it is our life mission to keep on fucking young beautiful girls of many different beauties till day we die because we professional prostitute hunter are in position where we simply can LOL.
We professional prostitute hunter made it happen in our lives! LOL.
It is still a no-no right now but if it became legal no strings attached (ie no driving licence issue) it could offer ageing cocks a new lease if life. You can't combine poppers with sildenafil but if I'm not mistaken sildenafil + cannabis is ok. The boost on erection of the combo could be awsome, and there would also be some deshinhibitory effect on the brain. Let's hope. Without driving licence trickery though otherwise we're back to square one.No matter the strand, sativa or indica, marijuana generally enhances afferent dominant nerves and depresses efferent dominant nerves. Basically that means it generally enhances sensory signals and inhibits output signals, with some exceptions. That being said, marijuana does not directly enhance the male erection and it actually works to inhibit the male orgasm. The reason some people experience a "better" erection is likely due to it's depressive effects on the central nervous system (CNS), including neurons directly in the brain. Some also experience a "better" orgasm while high for the same reasons, being a CNS depressant that causes you relax, slowing down time and decreasing stress. Combining that with its potentiating effect on the afferent (sensory) nerves, the male experiences a "better" orgasm although it is harder to achieve.
Basically, be careful with marijuana use in this hobby. You may enjoy the sex more but you will most likely cum less often.
On average, how many girls do you fuck every year?
How much time and money one needs for that?
How regular one visits FKK before you are classified as sex addicts.
Professioanl Prostitute Hunter forever, PPH!
I have been thinking about the right rational prompt answer for how many pussy of beautiful girls you can fuck? How professional prostitute hunter would answer this?
So it does like this, you like eating good food? I do like eating good food, I do not like eating bad food, so my answer to how many good food can you eat is till I die I eat good food.
So I would say rationally, how many beautiful girls pussy, mouth and anal can we fuck is till the day I die, if my dick one day do not go up anymore, I will rely on science world for future medication to pump up my dick and libido so I can fuck young beautiful girls till I die.
It is dream for men to fuck many beautiful girls as we can and we want, we very minority mongers called professional prostitute hunter made that dream into reality, so it is our life mission to keep on fucking young beautiful girls of many different beauties till day we die because we professional prostitute hunter are in position where we simply can LOL.
We professional prostitute hunter made it happen in our lives! LOL.
What so odd is that you do actually find elegant girl in FKK sometimes, like how did you get here front of me in FKK main bar kinda girl, but this is rare.
Oh I miss my elegant German, Czech, Austrian girls. Now I mostly find porno beauty girl only or if lucky next door hot girl or even more lucky hottest girl in college girl, but elegant ones are long gone.In FKK land, the most elegant I found were Romanian. German girls are not elegant and not much classy, except Sam at GT on end of 2013, beginning of 2014.
Don't forget that a GND in Paris is not equal to a GND in Sweden, or in Italy or in Canada or in Japan. GND is a very personal term. Same can be said about sophisticated or elegant.
Taller girls have been deemed to look more elegant compared to shorter girls on studies looking at what men conceive. But shorter girls were at the same study found to appear more sexy and symmetric.
Some girls do sit more and just look around the room, while other girls get up and walk. The idea some sitters have is that they feel they appear more relaxed and nonchalant. And this can possibly appear more sophisticated also. But the sexual result of it is bad blood circulation and a growing butt. So I prefer the walkers.For sure, girls beauty level is not the same in France, far higher than US, and higher in Russia.
I can understand Asians who don't have much Caucasian types at home, and only some ridiculous fake blond Asian girls.
US guys find slim Romanians attractive, like Asians run for blond on 2 legs. But for me, it s difficult to find really attractive, what I call dreamed girl, so when I find one, I marry her, but only for the best.
Sebastiane
10-06-18, 16:31
Elegant top girls who are high 9's, 10's do exist but are only a handful in each club and will usually be booked out all day so if you get lucky you should approach one as soon as she is free and don't waste time otherwise before you can say FKK some other dude will have approached her. Once you approach her then you have to impress her enough either with money or performance or personality or all three so that she wants to go with you again and then you can get her WhatsApp or number and text her before you come so next time you have a top elegant girl! Money is probably the most important factor. It doesn't mean overpaying but it usually means longer sessions and not haggling over 50 e!
Of course what a 10 is is different for each man though I'm sure there is some overlap. Some guys actually get intimidated by 10's in an FKK and don't approach them! Why? You're in a brothel not a nightclub! Be a man!
Sometimes this can paradoxically mean that a 10 is free as guys are afraid of approaching her! This happened to the young Saskia of Palace 10 years ago. She was elegant and aloof and it scared some guys off! The Polish Martha in Harmony is also very elegant. Damn I miss her! A real elegant top model. I need to fly to Harmony!
Steve 9696
10-06-18, 22:21
Headed to Berlin and it seems Artemis is the only game in town there. Knowing that I like brown eyed natural chested Romanian girls, what are your thoughts on:
1. Will Artemis be OK for this?
2. Other Berlin options at say €200/ HR?
3. Should I Try to spend the weekend in Frankfurt on the way to Berlin instead. I have been to Sharks, Oase, and World, so I know I am OK there, but worth the trouble compared to just diving in at Artemis?
Thanks all!
(I promise a report of all events. Check my profile -- I am a prolific poster following my binges.).
In FKK land, the most elegant I found were Romanian. German girls are not elegant and not much classy, except Sam at GT on end of 2013, beginning of 2014.I did find some German, Hungarian, Czech stunner level elegant girl, model or fit figure, about around 170 cm, very structured face, small face, long neck, no tattoo, no surgeries, but that is long ago.
However, when I am lucky, I do find some girls who are still stunner level beauty with minor surgeries LOL Mostly on just lip and Botox LOL, for me this is already bit off for me.
As for Romanians, I do know what you mean, but for me, Romanian girl serve as exotic beauty as they are bit tanned in most cases, but yes they are beautiful and know how to handle us men in bed.
As for Asians, I only like Eurasian girls that are stunner which I do find here back home in rare cases like few times per year or sometimes even once, but Eurasian girls are real beauty, and once in German FKK too, I found stunner level half Vietnamese and half German girl and wow she was stunner and she did not know what was going on because she clearly was just new to the industry, which is odd because Artemis usually only take girl who has experience in FKK format club, but this girl was clearly new to the industry and I was allowed to do all I wanted in room. But this is the only case I found Eurasian in FKK that is stunners, other ones are not my taste at all.
You are lucky siri that you love Romanians so much, I do like some of the stunner ones, but my taste still are German stunners, that is so rare to find nowadays.
What remind me of German FKK back home.
When I am back home, smell of laundry powders remind me of most german FKK as smell of laundry to clean sheets and towels are common in many german FKK facilities.
When I hear certain music I heard repeatedly in main bar of German FKK as my ass is stuck to couch in main bar of German FKK hunting for stunners to walk in. This often put smile on my face when I hear those music in cafe, malls or else where LOL.
When I smell glass or smell of trees, it remind me of golden time garden.
When I see Germany in news like Berlin or frankfurt or duss etc. It remind me of German FKK.
Headed to Berlin and it seems Artemis is the only game in town there. Knowing that I like brown eyed natural chested Romanian girls, what are your thoughts on:
1. Will Artemis be OK for this?
2. Other Berlin options at say 200/ HR?
3. Should I Try to spend the weekend in Frankfurt on the way to Berlin instead. I have been to Sharks, Oase, and World, so I know I am OK there, but worth the trouble compared to just diving in at Artemis?
Thanks all!
(I promise a report of all events. Check my profile -- I am a prolific poster following my binges.).Let say Artemis sales pitch is bit similar to palace Frankfurt meaning, there are tendency to upsell. Plenty of Romanians like dominated level, brown eyes should not be problem, but line up tend to be diverse, but natural is quite hard to find, natural is more NRW I think or sharks and bit Oase. As for your eye fetish of brown eyes, stay by the stair case because that is the only place you can see girls properly in the eye color you want or restaurant, but it is not nice to approach in restaurant.
No other FKK in Berlin, but there are other options, this you got to ask others as I only concentrated on Artemis when I am in Berlin.
Frankfurt vs Berlin. Hmmm. Berlin you miss Artemis you are stuck there, but in Frankfurt you got about 4 major clubs including palace too, so you got options. Artemis has diverse line up though, and Frankfurt got diverse choices of clubs. So you got to do your own math to your liking.
Of course what a 10 is is different for each man though I'm sure there is some overlap. Some guys actually get intimidated by 10's in an FKK and don't approach them! Why? You're in a brothel not a nightclub! Be a man!
Sometimes this can paradoxically mean that a 10 is free as guys are afraid of approaching her! This happened to the young Saskia of Palace 10 years ago. She was elegant and aloof and it scared some guys off! The Polish Martha in Harmony is also very elegant. Damn I miss her! A real elegant top model. I need to fly to Harmony!This happen to me often in FKK. I like typical beautiful girl with structured small face, long neck, natural fit body, no tattoo, preferably quite tall like over 165 cm, like model type kind of or hottest girl in college type.
Many time I see the stunner level girl like this in FKK and I get up from sofa and walk toward her then other monger begin to approach her where this stunner girl is. , and I am like on no. She is going to be gone, then suddenly this monger go for this fat ugly looking girl sitting right next to stunner girl and take ugly fat girl to room, at those moment I am not just relieve from thanks god I am going to take this stunner girl to room, but I almost trip with what just happen.
As FKK is each their own purpose, stunner is each their own thing too. But I stick to pretty much sport illustrated magazine or vogue girl stunner direction LOL.
HungryStud101
10-07-18, 14:32
I often see a few reports of how terrible price for service have changed but must say that even though I am generally a top optics guy, I've only had 2-3 girls in my FKK career that declined the good service for 1 HR and 100 euro. I can't actually even think of 3 girls and the two girls I do remember are both Oase girls.Sharks. There seems to be a cartel there that wants 100 E /30 min girls. I met a lot of them. I'm a little like Pistons. There are doable girls all over the place that I have to admit, if they knocked on my hotel door in NA I would make do and have a good time. However, when I see all these pretty girls at once, I want the highest optics. I met several Sharks girls that were 100 E /30 min GFE girls. This is where I tried to negotiate the extra service like CIM for the 100/30 and this worked with a few but many (and not two "tutes" as Der said) would not go for it. They just would not.
Now my best days are behind me but several months ago I started Keto and I am a exercise nut and I am not disfigured and in my best shape in years so it is not like they are fucking Java the Hut or anything. So I don't think I have to pay a penalty like some fat ugly mongers may. I have always enjoyed talking with ladies and they don't intimidate me and I think I can put them at ease and charm them to a degree. My point is that I do not believe on this day with these girls that anyone else could do any better. Maybe a monger like Der or Sir would be grandfathered in to an old rate or be such a good customer over the years that they could do a 50E/30M date. But these girls were adamant about their price structure and they spent a lot of time explaining why and Simon was my witness as they lectured us. So why would any of these girls walk off with another monger for 50 E /30 min and leave me standing there when I said 100 E /30 min with the extra service? Maybe they don't do CIM at all? Anyway, I don't believe it. CIM is like finding the prize in the Cracker Jack box. Some girls wanted 150E/30 min with CIM nd they wouldn't budge. And today I feel mike a fool for passing up on Misha. But you have to have something to want.
I met several Sharks girls that were 100 E /30 min GFE girls. This is where I tried to negotiate the extra service like CIM for the 100/30 and this worked with a few but many (and not two "tutes" as Der said) would not go for it. They just would not.
So why would any of these girls walk off with another monger for 50 E /30 min and leave me standing there when I said 100 E /30 min with the extra service? Maybe they don't do CIM at all? Anyway, I don't believe it. CIM is like finding the prize in the Cracker Jack box. Some girls wanted 150E/30 min with CIM nd they wouldn't budge. Unless there were a van of Asian tourists paying 200 per hour I have an impossible time believing this is not an individual problem. So would probably 90% of the mongers here. Unless the girl does not offer GFE at all, an FKK girl declining 100/30 min with CIM? Won't believe it until it happens to me.
Some girls wanted 150E/30 min with CIM nd they wouldn't budge.Could you elaborate on "they wouldn't budge"? How long was your conversation (negotiation)? Did you walk away from the negotiation and attempt to re-initiate a few hours or few days later? Was it a Saturday night (or other peak time)? What was the male-to-female ratio?
Locals or frequent tourists can pitch 100 E /30 min with CIM. If Misha says no, he can come back next week and re-propose the same offer. If she says no again, he can continue to attend the club several times a week, making sure that Misha sees him spending good money and ideally repeating some WGs. Then he can propose the same offer to Misha two months later. But often times the WG will have budged by then, once she sees she is losing out on a customer that has the capacity to be loyal and not be cheap.
Now my best days are behind me but several months ago I started Keto and I am a exercise nut and I am not disfigured and in my best shape in years so it is not like they are fucking Java the Hut or anything.Side note, any success keeping on the keto diet while in the clubs? I found it terribly difficult unless you just ate sausages all day. (In that case it's probably super easy for the girls, LOL).
Member #4636
10-07-18, 16:13
Headed to Berlin and it seems Artemis is the only game in town there. Knowing that I like brown eyed natural chested Romanian girls, what are your thoughts on:
1. Will Artemis be OK for this?
2. Other Berlin options at say 200/ HR?
3. Should I Try to spend the weekend in Frankfurt on the way to Berlin instead. I have been to Sharks, Oase, and World, so I know I am OK there, but worth the trouble compared to just diving in at Artemis?
Thanks all!
(I promise a report of all events. Check my profile -- I am a prolific poster following my binges.).Spend the weekend in Frankfurt more options and Artemis is much worse than the clubs you have already visited. You could go to Palace or Mainhattan.
Could you elaborate on "they wouldn't budge"? How long was your conversation (negotiation)? Did you walk away from the negotiation and attempt to re-initiate a few hours or few days later? Was it a Saturday night (or other peak time)? What was the male-to-female ratio?
Locals or frequent tourists can pitch 100 E /30 min with CIM. If Misha says no, he can come back next week and re-propose the same offer. If she says no again, he can continue to attend the club several times a week, making sure that Misha sees him spending good money and ideally repeating some WGs. Then he can propose the same offer to Misha two months later. But often times the WG will have budged by then, once she sees she is losing out on a customer that has the capacity to be loyal and not be cheap.Yup this is exactly what the locals and the frequent tourists do. And without them these WGs cannot make a sustaining income in any FKK by only scamming infrequent tourists. Sharks used to be one of the least scamming places just only a year back, but sounds like lately some girls started smelling quick money from some (not all) infrequent tourists and succeeded scamming few of them which in turn became one of the tactics they keep reusing on these few easy targets. Like I said, even if I am a very infrequent tourist, if I ever (even if just once, even by mistake when my little head took over the decision making process from the big head just for once) paid more than the standard rates for any service, these WGs will remember and the news of me being a over-payer (I. E. Easy to scam sucker) will be viral at least in that club in no time; and this will be pretty much written on my forehead for next couple of years (or at least few months) unless there is a new news-cycle runs with the message that I am now a seasoned monger and no longer a sucker, or until a fresh new gang of girls come in the business who finds me a seasoned monger who pays the standard rates but is still a good customer.
I personally have no problem if some of you want to keep paying more than the standard rates and somehow want to keep justifying that. It's your money, and use it however you want to. You might as well donate some of your money to your local church and hope the local young church-going girls will start liking you. Your choice, whatever floats your boat. In fact if these WGs can make some quick extra bucks from you, more power to them. Ain't going to happen from the locals and the frequent / seasoned tourists; which these WGs know very well and they also understand that they make a lot more from this much bigger group of customers over the months they work. I think this is exactly why (for example) a frequent customer like Siri is not being scammed with non-standard higher rates even by the best looking girls (Siri you can confirm or deny, and sorry if I shouldn't have mentioned you).
And today I feel mike a fool for passing up on Misha. But you have to have something to want.Well, if you are like me as you said at first, then you are also blacklisted by Misha. She claims I fuck too much and my dick is too big. So I think she prefer the older men with less energy. An alternative reason could be her friendship with Angelina. And ever since Angelina molested me ten times a day at Palace some years ago, we don't really see eye to eye. So even if Misha does look hot and all, I myself don't have a problem with just letting her go. There are enough other girls to go around instead of running after girls like that. Never forget that girls talk as much as we do. They shittalk and lie, and can be very bad influencers sometimes.
Misha is also friends with Julia. And she has a rep of being a bit s / m. So I did fuck her quite hard once to ease her attitude as others told me that's how you got to treat Julia. So that incident may have superceeded me there now with their little group. LOL.
Sharks. There seems to be a cartel there that wants 100 E /30 min girls. I met a lot of them. I'm a little like Pistons. There are doable girls all over the place that I have to admit, if they knocked on my hotel door in NA I would make do and have a good time. However, when I see all these pretty girls at once, I want the highest optics. I met several Sharks girls that were 100 E /30 min GFE girls. This is where I tried to negotiate the extra service like CIM for the 100/30 and this worked with a few but many (and not two "tutes" as Der said) would not go for it. They just would not.
Now my best days are behind me but several months ago I started Keto and I am a exercise nut and I am not disfigured and in my best shape in years so it is not like they are fucking Java the Hut or anything. So I don't think I have to pay a penalty like some fat ugly mongers may. I have always enjoyed talking with ladies and they don't intimidate me and I think I can put them at ease and charm them to a degree. My point is that I do not believe on this day with these girls that anyone else could do any better. Maybe a monger like Der or Sir would be grandfathered in to an old rate or be such a good customer over the years that they could do a 50E/30M date. But these girls were adamant about their price structure and they spent a lot of time explaining why and Simon was my witness as they lectured us. So why would any of these girls walk off with another monger for 50 E /30 min and leave me standing there when I said 100 E /30 min with the extra service? Maybe they don't do CIM at all? Anyway, I don't believe it. CIM is like finding the prize in the Cracker Jack box. Some girls wanted 150E/30 min with CIM nd they wouldn't budge. And today I feel mike a fool for passing up on Misha. But you have to have something to want.There are always going to be girls that charge more. In the past they would play the 35 minute trick and charge you an hour. Or they can whine and ruin a session. Better for them to be upfront about it than to scam you after you start a session. A lot depends on how much in demand a girl is. On a slow day, she may agree to a lesser price, but like you overpaying, the girl does not want to set the lower price as her standard. The problem lies in a girl that thinks she can compete with the stunners when she cannot. The slightly older girls know this. Service levels count as much as time and price.
HungryStud101
10-07-18, 21:37
Well, if you are like me as you said at first, then you are also blacklisted by Misha. She claims I fuck too much and my dick is too big. So I think she prefer the older men with less energy. An alternative reason could be her friendship with Angelina. And ever since Angelina molested me ten times a day at Palace some years ago, we don't really see eye to eye. So even if Misha does look hot and all, I myself don't have a problem with just letting her go. There are enough other girls to go around instead of running after girls like that. Never forget that girls talk as much as we do. They shittalk and lie, and can be very bad influencers sometimes.Wait a second. First, nobody has ever said my dick is too big. I have heard "perfect size" which was kind of nice but never too big. I once had a S. O. That I said "Your pussy is as big as a hat" and she told me to grow a penis, LOL.
Angelina the molester? Is this the same girl at Sharks with the Egyptian or Cleopatra type eye shadow that twists dick when she try to get you hard and you refuse her? She now goes by Olympia. There is another girl at Sharks that has a great looking bubble butt and she is from Colombia and she goes by Angelina but she is very nice.
I meant that I am like you because you seem to go to a lot of clubs and not session because there wasn't anyone that tickled your fancy. I am getting like this. I mean there is an ocean of 7's but I need some stand out quality or some differentiating look or something to get me to session with them...that is after the first session. I mean I have never went into a brothel on any continent and not found at least one girl worth doing....Ok once, It was in Argentina and the girls were scary and I ran. But I am getting choosy especially latter in life.
Well, if you are like me as you said at first, then you are also blacklisted by Misha. She claims I fuck too much and my dick is too big. So I think she prefer the older men with less energy. An alternative reason could be her friendship with Angelina. And ever since Angelina molested me ten times a day at Palace some years ago, we don't really see eye to eye. So even if Misha does look hot and all, I myself don't have a problem with just letting her go. There are enough other girls to go around instead of running after girls like that. Never forget that girls talk as much as we do. They shittalk and lie, and can be very bad influencers sometimes.Even when you are more African than Asian, when fucking girls is nothing like a sport compare to my real sports and I don't know anybody in FKK land who proposed to go climbing with me, but you can have normal sex with pretty Misha, even super trained Kate find sex a bit sporty with me. But sporty sex is not fucking hard or being rude, and Misha didn't ask me to stop, but made me will to extend to 2 relaxing hours for 200 on a Thursday late night. But I think she is not interested by 50€ guys, she is not starting in this business. Ex World, when World was on top. Just a bit of lack of passion in sex for my experience, but a pretty, sweet and nice girl.
HungryStud101
10-07-18, 22:29
Could you elaborate on "they wouldn't budge"? How long was your conversation (negotiation)? Did you walk away from the negotiation and attempt to re-initiate a few hours or few days later? Was it a Saturday night (or other peak time)? What was the male-to-female ratio?
.I don't think I got into the club until 7:30 PM. It was on a Friday and it was probably 10 PM. I was doing Dieters sauna treatments and snoozing on a lounge chair just outside the sauna. Misha was sitting there on the end of the next lounge chair and she had Graziana's hand in her hand. I think she was helping her fix her bracelet. I saw the Misha and I said "Are you reading palms? Can I be next?" She laughed and said it would cost me. I said "You'll make more money with me while on your back. " She laughed again and we started talking. Somehow we started talking about German's and their rules and how they seem to love rules and follow them to a tee. She agreed and related a story about German's to me. I thought to myself, hey, there is chemistry here. How about Misha as session #2 tonight? She told me that 30 minutes with a BJ I like and a finish I like is 150 E. She was firm and there was no malice but we parted ways. Later I was looking at her at the bar and I walked up to her and I asked her if she gave my offer some thought. Again, she was polite but refused my offer. She seemed perfectly fine to sit there rather than accept my offer of 100 E for 30 minutes with a BJ I like with a finish I like. I said well come and find me if you change your mind and she told me something like "I will never change my mind. " So there she sat for the rest of the night.
I have to say that once a girl digs her heels into the turf they rarely seem to change their minds. Either we agree within the first 30 seconds or I agree to whatever terms they propose or it is a Mexican Standoff and no deal. Only twice in recent times in an FKK has the girl changed her mind and accepted my terms: Once with Claudia who did 100 E /1 hour GFE with me last trip and the trip prior in March where I walked away from Analasstasia and she chased me back to the couch and we met in the middle. More often we are at an impasse and the girls seem stubborn. Take my recent example of Gina.
In March. I saw this porn star looking tattooed vixen with wild hair down to her ass and glasses and I had to have her. Being a good price steward I tried to negotiate with her a 50 E /30 min date with the BJ that I like (not the finish that I like) and after the second pass I had pissed her off and she wouldn't even talk with me and would say "No thank you. " I was even going to meet her rate but I couldn't even get it out. I pissed her off. A German from Stuttgart told me that she is great but you have to offer her 100 E / hour.
Next time in the club in September, I arrived early and I said to the women up front "Is Gina here?" For once the manager up front knew who I was talking about and said yes. I told her I came here specifically to see Gina. It got back to Gina that a "distinguished gentleman" was here to see her. I tried to change my look by not wearing my glasses and I had lost 25 Lbs since last visit. I went right over to her and I offered 100 E /60 minutes and she said yes. I asked if there would be a BJ that I like and she refused to answer and said you will have to find out in the room which I thought was odd. So I said "fuck it, let's go" and I had a great 1-hour date with two SOGs and DATY, DFK, and a BJ that I like. In between SOG's, I gave her a back massage. I told her that I had been thinking about her since I saw her last trip which was months ago. There is no way that she remembered me from my March trip. I told her I would be back tomorrow however, I didn't session with her the next day. I just said Hello,. I told her that I would return the next week and maybe do a 3-sum with her and Lara.
Upon my return, I saw her and Lara sitting at the bar twiddling their thumbs. I walked up and she said it is a slow night. I said "your night is about to get better. " And "I can't stand to see the hottest girl in the bar just sitting there. " I said let's do the same as last week. I got up and we walked halfway to the stairs. I said "what about Lara?" And she told me that they can't do a 3-sum because someone that they had no interest in sessioning with was bugging to do a 3-sum with them and they told him that they do not do 3-sums together. He was watching the two girls. So we went to the room and there was no DFK this time and we didn't fuck. She just gave me a nice BJ and then plops on her belly ready for me to give her another massage. I plopped on my belly and I said "why don't you massage me?" She said she was too tired for this and I got to thinking. I asked her "How much are you into me?" She said "well, normally, 30 minutes is 50 E but I think we just went over 30 minutes." I said I don't think we did and I said since we are both so tired I suggested that we quit now and I gave her 50 E and I ended up giving her a small tip. (Note#, I actually got the idea from Gino's post about stopping an hour date at 30 minutes. Thanks Gino).
Sometimes a girl will agree to your rate and then give you a shitty session (Claudia and Anastasia did not do this, BTW). I remember a girl at Modelos in BA Argentina changed her mind and went home with me and gave me a shit session and then proceeded to raid my mini bar! I said you get one thing and took the other stuff back. Then she put her hand out and wanted cab fair. I kicked her out of my room with no cab fair. I've had others up the price mid session. So if the girl is not happy with the price, you may be better off moving on to another girl. That is why I make what I think is a generous offer of 100 E for 30 minutes with a BJ that I like and a finish that I like..
Delta Indigo
10-07-18, 22:45
I don't think I got into the club until 7:30 PM. It was on a Friday and it was probably 10 PM. I was doing Dieters sauna treatments and snoozing on a lounge chair just outside the sauna. Misha was sitting there on the end of the next lounge chair and she had Graziana's hand in her hand. I think she was helping her fix her bracelet. I saw the Misha and I said "Are you reading palms? Can I be next?" She laughed and said it would cost me. I said "You'll make more money with me while on your back. " She laughed again and we started talking. Somehow we started talking about German's and their rules and how they seem to love rules and follow them to a tee. She agreed and related a story about German's to me. I thought to myself, hey, there is chemistry here. How about Misha as session #2 tonight? She told me that 30 minutes with a BJ I like and a finish I like is 150 E. She was firm and there was no malice but we parted ways. Later I was looking at her at the bar and I walked up to her and I asked her if she gave my offer some thought. Again, she was polite but refused my offer. She seemed perfectly fine to sit there rather than accept my offer of 100 E for 30 minutes with a BJ I like with a finish I like. I said well come and find me if you change your mind and she told me something like "I will never change my mind. " So there she sat for the rest of the night.
I have to say that once a girl digs her heels into the turf they rarely seem to change their minds. Either we agree within the first 30 seconds or I agree to whatever terms they propose or it is a Mexican Standoff and no deal. Only twice in recent times in an FKK has the girl changed her mind and accepted my terms: Once with Claudia who did 100 E /1 hour GFE with me last trip and the trip prior in March where I walked away from Analasstasia and she chased me back to the couch and we met in the middle. More often we are at an impasse and the girls seem stubborn. Take my recent example of Gina.
In March. I saw this porn star looking tattooed vixen with wild hair down to her ass and glasses and I had to have her. Being a good price steward I tried to negotiate with her a 50 E /30 min date with the BJ that I like (not the finish that I like) and after the second pass I had pissed her off and she wouldn't even talk with me and would say "No thank you. " I was even going to meet her rate but I couldn't even get it out. I pissed her off. A German from Stuttgart told me that she is great but you have to offer her 100 E / hour.
Next time in the club in September, I arrived early and I said to the women up front "Is Gina here?" For once the manager up front knew who I was talking about and said yes. I told her I came here specifically to see Gina. It got back to Gina that a "distinguished gentleman" was here to see her. I tried to change my look by not wearing my glasses and I had lost 25 Lbs since last visit. I went right over to her and I offered 100 E /60 minutes and she said yes. I asked if there would be a BJ that I like and she refused to answer and said you will have to find out in the room which I thought was odd. So I said "fuck it, let's go" and I had a great 1-hour date with two SOGs and DATY, DFK, and a BJ that I like. In between SOG's, I gave her a back massage. I told her that I had been thinking about her since I saw her last trip which was months ago. There is no way that she remembered me from my March trip. I told her I would be back tomorrow however, I didn't session with her the next day. I just said Hello,. I told her that I would return the next week and maybe do a 3-sum with her and Lara.
Upon my return, I saw her and Lara sitting at the bar twiddling their thumbs. I walked up and she said it is a slow night. I said "your night is about to get better. " And "I can't stand to see the hottest girl in the bar just sitting there. " I said let's do the same as last week. I got up and we walked halfway to the stairs. I said "what about Lara?" And she told me that they can't do a 3-sum because someone that they had no interest in sessioning with was bugging to do a 3-sum with them and they told him that they do not do 3-sums together. He was watching the two girls. So we went to the room and there was no DFK this time and we didn't fuck. She just gave me a nice BJ and then plops on her belly ready for me to give her another massage. I plopped on my belly and I said "why don't you massage me?" She said she was too tired for this and I got to thinking. I asked her "How much are you into me?" She said "well, normally, 30 minutes is 50 E but I think we just went over 30 minutes." I said I don't think we did and I said since we are both so tired I suggested that we quit now and I gave her 50 E and I ended up giving her a small tip. (Note#, I actually got the idea from Gino's post about stopping an hour date at 30 minutes. Thanks Gino).
Sometimes a girl will agree to your rate and then give you a shitty session (Claudia and Anastasia did not do this, BTW). I remember a girl at Modelos in BA Argentina changed her mind and went home with me and gave me a shit session and then proceeded to raid my mini bar! I said you get one thing and took the other stuff back. Then she put her hand out and wanted cab fair. I kicked her out of my room with no cab fair. I've had others up the price mid session. So if the girl is not happy with the price, you may be better off moving on to another girl. That is why I make what I think is a generous offer of 100 E for 30 minutes with a BJ that I like and a finish that I like..I generally have never had this problem in Sharks except with Egyptian Angelina and her fake crying game, what a total be* One hour for 100 gets me the old standard and usually in Sharks, I have not been there since summer of this year, 50 for 30 minutes still holds.
I don't know if things have changed now, however I just suggest that you stay firm and refuse, of course some girls will try it on, I am a native English speaker and they don't always try it on with me, but I gather that they will try it on with many non Germans. Just hold firm and refuse.
Yes, 50 more Euros might not mean that much to you, however if you give in, all the girls will be trying it on. Keep on asking and refuse the gratuitous upsellers, then the upsellers will eventually get the message.
HungryStud101
10-07-18, 23:37
Side note, any success keeping on the keto diet while in the clubs? I found it terribly difficult unless you just ate sausages all day. (In that case it's probably super easy for the girls, LOL).I had no problem. There is a lot of meat. At the cook out there was steak, chicken, and sausage. Inside there is turkey and roast duck and pork. There are plenty of vegetables, salad, olives, beats etc. There was a chili that was pretty good. I am not that worried about what the gravy is that may be on the turkey or duck. I am not that concerned with what is in a gravy and some vegetables are better than others. The main goal at this point is to avoid bread, potatoes, rice, pizza and anything with sugar. I love drinking beer in Germany and Belgium and I limited myself to about 3 or 4 beers that week. I love coffee in Europe and I will have some Merlot which is low carbs. In the clubs I may have a Vodka and soda. I was able to do this and get a few workouts in and I lost about 1. 5 lbs in Europe.
Angelina the molester? Is this the same girl at Sharks with the Egyptian or Cleopatra type eye shadow that twists dick when she try to get you hard and you refuse her? She now goes by Olympia.
I meant that I am like you because you seem to go to a lot of clubs and not session because there wasn't anyone that tickled your fancy. I am getting like this. I mean there is an ocean of 7's but I need some stand out quality or some differentiating look or something to get me to session with them...that is after the first session. I mean I have never went into a brothel on any continent and not found at least one girl worth doing....Ok once, It was in Argentina and the girls were scary and I ran. But I am getting choosy especially latter in life.That's the one. I didn't know she had a new name.
Actually its a very rare thing if I leave a club without any session. Perhaps only happened 3 or 4 times ever. And in all those incidents I did another club the same day. So I am probably the opposite of that. I think I average more rooms per club visit than most, so I don't know where you got that from. Maybe you had me confused with Pussylicker? LOL.
An average trip for me the past 2-3 years I have done 12-17 rooms in 4-5 days (I need to get back to the old 3-day trips I used to do). Last summer I had one trip when I did 37 rooms in 14 days IIRC.
HungryStud101
10-08-18, 01:29
That's the one. I didn't know she had a new name.Yes. Angelina = Olympia.
Actually its a very rare thing if I leave a club without any session. Perhaps only happened 3 or 4 times ever. And in all those incidents I did another club the same day. So I am probably the opposite of that. I think I average more rooms per club visit than most, so I don't know where you got that from. Maybe you had me confused with Pussylicker? LOL.OK, Maybe it was PL? I usually do at least two and maybe three sessions per visit if I can. I probably average 2. 5. The most I have done is four and the least I one. Maybe it was someone else? I just know that the girl has to have a certain je ne sais quoi for me to go to the room with them. After my first session is over, I can sit there for hours and hours and not feel compelled and then something different come along and bam. I pounce.
Banana Boi
10-08-18, 07:59
Any rental car companies offer a good discount on monthly rentals in Germany or even a neighboring country?
An average trip for me the past 2-3 years I have done 12-17 rooms in 4-5 days (I need to get back to the old 3-day trips I used to do). Last summer I had one trip when I did 37 rooms in 14 days IIRC.Maybe because I can go when I want, I could be nearly every day, working from there as I often do, if I wanted, but I prefer a no room visit or day, rather than a disappointing room. Not only about waste of money, but I hate frustration. I don't need sex with GND who don't worth 50 for me, I need pleasure with dreamed girls, and best for me would be to find the new one for kind of sex friend, even I can't resist when I see a real beauty like 2 on last Saturday.
I often left Sharks, Oase or GT with no room, even few times at Globe. I prefer quality than quantity.
Any rental car companies offer a good discount on monthly rentals in Germany or even a neighboring country?https://m.billiger-mietwagen.de
You can get good packages through this dealer. I've used them once and it turned out ok. I'm not sure you can set their website on English though. Maybe the desktop website. I would avoid check. 24.
Incidentally, there's a dedIcated thread for car rentals on ISG.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3981-Renting-a-car-in-Germany
... several months ago I started Keto and I am a exercise nut and I am not disfigured and in my best shape in years so it is not like they are fucking Java the Hut or anything. So I don't think I have to pay a penalty like some fat ugly mongers may. ...You are doing smart and right thing to make yourselves more presentable, but many mongers don't realize that it is important to make themselves as physically presentable as possible because we mongers are in the fucking business and very often chemistry between mongers and WGs during session is the determining factor of how successful the session would be, besides mongers with their better appearances feel more confident going into the session.
Some might think that they are old and unattractive, so it wouldn't make any difference if they made themselves look better. It will make difference no matter how old and unattractive they are. For starters, you should lose some weight if you are overweight, then do some other improvements of your appearances. After you do those, you will notice the differences when you interact with WGs.
BTW, I am also on keto diet and this year is my 7th year on this diet. I am 183 cm and weigh myself everyday to keep my weight between 72 and 73 kg.
How regular one visits FKK before you are classified as sex addicts.The analogy of sex addict is alcoholic whom everyone understands. We don't call someone an alcoholic if he only drink several consecutive days in each several months, and we call him a social drinker. If a monger only mongers several consecutive days in each several months, we shouldn't call him a sex addict, we call him a hobbyist. Just like an alcoholic, a sex addict is a person who is constantly looking for sex with different sex partner.
If you want to have a broader definition including every female object such as wife and porn actress in porn video, every man is sex addict LOL.
Hi guys,
I'd like to ask your advice about those two FKK.
For a 5/6 hours stop on a Saturday evening / night, would you recommend Palmas in Nuremberg or Oase?
Just taking into account standard 30 minutes.
Thanks.
ManchesterCat
10-08-18, 12:04
Hi all,
Have some time off during period around new years and contemplating a visit. As it's my first trip, thinking about joining a tour. Conscious that the holidays period will be one of the quieter periods. But wanted top get an idea of how quiet it will be. Is it still worth visiting, or will it be really dead?
Open to any other advice you may have.
Thanks in advance.
HungryStud101
10-08-18, 13:21
You are doing smart and right thing to make yourselves more presentable, but many mongers don't realize that it is important to make themselves as physically presentable as possible because we mongers are in the fucking business and very often chemistry between mongers and WGs during session is the determining factor of how successful the session would be, besides mongers with their better appearances feel more confident going into the session.
Some might think that they are old and unattractive, so it wouldn't make any difference if they made themselves look better. It will make difference no matter how old and unattractive they are. For starters, you should lose some weight if you are overweight, then do some other improvements of your appearances. After you do those, you will notice the differences when you interact with WGs.
I saw a guy at Sharks sitting outside in the bar area that was as big as Java-the-Hut. He had a towel wrapped around him and a smile on his face and he was having a good time.
But you are correct. I always tell people that are looking for a partner to get in shape and lose weight and to make themselves more presentable. I tell them to do it for themselves so that they have more confidence. I think this is also true for the FKK. I think you can have more fun if you feel good about yourself. There will probably always be someone there to take your money.
Funny, when I go to Montreal for outcall dates with SPs, I always have wine and other drinks in the room. Sometimes I have chocolate. I always do all that I can to make myself hygienic and presentable and to make the girls at ease and my success rate was high.
I most often don't shave for my visits, but I don't smell ashtray nor beer. Look at guys in clubs, if girls went only with good looking guys, they would die from starvation. Only Sylvana got the young good looking guys at Sharks, when beauties had fat and old.
Being clean and knowing a bit about women, works. Making girls cum and when they feel they are going to, most want to, some even help you, rubbing on your tongue, pressing on your head, putting legs around You, putting nails in your arms. This open them and then they don't look at you only as money, and will return to you, before others. Some saying: I prefer to start my day with you, to give me courage, or I prefer to finish my day with You, before going to sleep. Then I answer: make good dreams about me.
Of course, making sports help to keep a fit and firm body, young guys can t even compete, and to perform in bed, being able to keep high rhythm, even on Summer, so when girls get exhausted, then most often they lose control. Just small sport, but funny game.
Here is a fun fact for the mongers here. If you don't believe me, just ask any of the WG in your next trip to any FKK, validate (or prove me wrong), and maybe report back here?
Almost all the WGs do this during their FKK life, more so the English reading successful ones. Wake up, open up their phones, check the ISG threads in detail to find out if anything positive or negative was written about them, and overall what was written between the time they last checked and now, before getting out the bed. This may or may not be before they check their social media apps. Some check ISG even after they left the FKK life, usually not on a daily basis, but almost like checking how their legacy is holding up LOL. All these ISG checking is not only for business purposes, but more so due to AWS (Attention Wh**e Syndrome).
I think FKK WGs who don't read English either use Google's automated translation or check other forums (German, French etc.), not sure though.
So, whatever we mongers write here, can and likely be used against (or sometimes in favor of) us as applicable.
Steve 9696
10-08-18, 16:03
I saw a guy at Sharks sitting outside in the bar area that was as big as Java-the-Hut. He had a towel wrapped around him and a smile on his face and he was having a good time.
But you are correct. I always tell people that are looking for a partner to get in shape and lose weight and to make themselves more presentable. I tell them to do it for themselves so that they have more confidence. I think this is also true for the FKK. I think you can have more fun if you feel good about yourself. There will probably always be someone there to take your money.
Funny, when I go to Montreal for outcall dates with SPs, I always have wine and other drinks in the room. Sometimes I have chocolate. I always do all that I can to make myself hygienic and presentable and to make the girls at ease and my success rate was high.Hope I am not flamed too badly for this this, but I try to stay in shape not to improve my odds but because I feel I owe it to the girls. They may be sharks from time to time but they are humans too and I can't imagine why I wouldn't want them to have the least unpleasant experience possible. If I can put in a little effort to make sure their experience is not a fat gray old man (which I would indeed be if I didn't put in any effort) then I will surely do it.
Hopefully I am not the only one that has mad respect for these girls. This is a hard job, putting on your game face every day and having to make a realistic show no matter what shows up at their doorstep. So I do my part just out of respect for the ladies. The good news is that I am in 3 x better shape than I would be if I didn't have P4 P to motivate me. Just another benefit to society of liberal P4 P laws!
I had no problem. There is a lot of meat. At the cook out there was steak, chicken, and sausage. Inside there is turkey and roast duck and pork. There are plenty of vegetables, salad, olives, beats etc. But where are you getting your fat calories? Even with all the meat and veggies, there isn't enough carb-free sources of fats. That seems to be the problem for me. Protein in meat is still insulinogenic and the high protein diet knocked me out of ketosis.
I go for 2-3 week trips so maybe that is my problem. Not sure how long your FKK visits are but if they are short, I assume that is how you are able to stay in ketosis (if you measure your ketones).
The analogy of sex addict is alcoholic whom everyone understands. We don't call someone an alcoholic if he only drink several consecutive days in each several months, and we call him a social drinker. If a monger only mongers several consecutive days in each several months, we shouldn't call him a sex addict, we call him a hobbyist. Just like an alcoholic, a sex addict is a person who is constantly looking for sex with different sex partner.Your alcoholic vs. Social drinker analogy is spot on. People following this forum on a daily basis are probably addicts. Mongers spending disproportionate amount of time and / or money on this hobby are addicts. I've always estimated this to be 10-15 percent of mongers in attendance on a given day.
I'd estimate 70-80 percent are mongers that you refer to as "hobbyists" who might only do a handful of days of clubbing per year. Majority of locals probably fall into this category. They visit one Saturday night, and don't return for 3-4 months. Often they might only go if they are dragged their by a group of friends. Or maybe they are entertaining clients. As you say, similar to social drinkers who only drink on special occasions.
Then you have the guys who "FKK once and never return again". This could be a married man from Munich or Mumbai who has business in Frankfurt (or attending a Messe). This guy might sneak away for a few hours.
BTW, I am also on keto diet and this year is my 7th year on this diet. I am 183 cm and weigh myself everyday to keep my weight between 72 and 73 kg.
The analogy of sex addict is alcoholic whom everyone understands. We don't call someone an alcoholic if he only drink several consecutive days in each several months, and we call him a social drinker. If a monger only mongers several consecutive days in each several months, we shouldn't call him a sex addict, we call him a hobbyist. Just like an alcoholic, a sex addict is a person who is constantly looking for sex with different sex partner.
If you want to have a broader definition including every female object such as wife and porn actress in porn video, every man is sex addict LOL.Hello keto brother,
LOL. Always like reading your POV. 7 years is a long time on keto. I'm curious if you've done your lipid / cholesterol profile and what they look like after such a long time on keto.
I got to disagree with your definition of addiction though. Addiction is not so much defined by frequency but more by your inability to control doing something with detrimental effects. A college binge drinker may not drink 7 days a week but when he drinks, he drinks way too much for consecutive days causing him to do all sorts of regrettable things. So an FKK "hobbyists" who may not frequent the clubs every week can easily still be an addict. If a fly-in in tourist makes an FKK trip every few months and spends 30% of his income on these trips at the expense of retirement savings or other obligations, he is an addict. A married man who visits often without his wife knowing is probably an addict.
I'm probably a borderline addict at this point. Those fly-in guys who make less than 6 figures and visit 3-4 times a year are almost certainly addicts.
Almost all the WGs do this during their FKK life, more so the English reading successful ones. Wake up, open up their phones, check the ISG threads in detail to find out if anything positive or negative was written about them, and overall what was written between the time they last checked and now, before getting out the bed. This may or may not be before they check their social media apps. Some check ISG even after they left the FKK life, usually not on a daily basis, but almost like checking how their legacy is holding up LOL. All these ISG checking is not only for business purposes, but more so due to AWS (Attention Wh**e Syndrome).I think it depends on the WGs and the clubs where they work. Your statement might be more accurate for Sharks WGs, which is probably the most attended club in Germany, and is a bit of a mecca for hardcore international sex tourists. Generally it is the same WGs who are mentioned over and over again. For instance, Evita was mentioned often on ISG, but much less frequently on German forums. So we can surmise that there are probably a high number of posters on ISG who are Asian. I believe Evita would be an avid reader of ISG. She also seemed to be business-savvy, so she probably thought she could use the additional customer insight to her advantage.
But some popular WGs at other clubs get zero or very infrequent mentions. So I don't think it is worth their time to read forums regularly. I check ISG, Dutch, German, and French forums regularly. ISG is the worse, since we are the forum with the most off-topic posts. And the reviews are not grouped by WG's name in sub threads like other forums. ISG only has a search function where a WG can search for herself, but I think if Evita searched for herself on ISG, she'd find a lot of false positives, like my off-topic post here.
Often, I get the impression that a monger says something like "I saw a review about you". This might pique the curiosity of the WG. She might ask the monger, "what else did you read?" and that could be the manner how a WG finds out about what others saying.
Here is a fun fact for the mongers here. If you don't believe me, just ask any of the WG in your next trip to any FKK, validate (or prove me wrong), and maybe report back here?
Almost all the WGs do this during their FKK life, more so the English reading successful ones. Wake up, open up their phones, check the ISG threads in detail to find out if anything positive or negative was written about them, and overall what was written between the time they last checked and now, before getting out the bed. This may or may not be before they check their social media apps. Some check ISG even after they left the FKK life, usually not on a daily basis, but almost like checking how their legacy is holding up LOL. All these ISG checking is not only for business purposes, but more so due to AWS (Attention Wh**e Syndrome).
I think FKK WGs who don't read English either use Google's automated translation or check other forums (German, French etc.), not sure though.
So, whatever we mongers write here, can and likely be used against (or sometimes in favor of) us as applicable.You are right, many girls read us, Evita liked so much my writings about her way for business, many wrote same after me, but I never wrote she was bad, because I don't know. So many of her clients came to me. I m kind of white wolf for average girls at Sharks, but I always had the classiest who didn't upsell me, so no problem, I'm not interested by average girls.
You also have to know some guys like to tell to girls what you write, I had to show my writings to Megan or Kate GT, to show them the truth, versus some guys bullshit. Some guys even change the meaning of writings and send to girls. Jealousy land, but smart girls are able to understand where is the truth, Kate refusing now to go with some bullshit guys, when we celebrated our 3 years, faith from a bad guy with one of the busiest girl in Germany.
Member #4636
10-08-18, 17:30
Here is a fun fact for the mongers here. If you don't believe me, just ask any of the WG in your next trip to any FKK, validate (or prove me wrong), and maybe report back here?
Almost all the WGs do this during their FKK life, more so the English reading successful ones. Wake up, open up their phones, check the ISG threads in detail to find out if anything positive or negative was written about them, and overall what was written between the time they last checked and now, before getting out the bed. This may or may not be before they check their social media apps. Some check ISG even after they left the FKK life, usually not on a daily basis, but almost like checking how their legacy is holding up LOL. All these ISG checking is not only for business purposes, but more so due to AWS (Attention Wh**e Syndrome).
I think FKK WGs who don't read English either use Google's automated translation or check other forums (German, French etc.), not sure though.
So, whatever we mongers write here, can and likely be used against (or sometimes in favor of) us as applicable.This is true because a girl told me the other day that she is reading what I write for her. She knew it was me from the description, I couldn't hide behind my forum name. LOL.
Your alcoholic vs. Social drinker analogy is spot on. People following this forum on a daily basis are probably addicts. Mongers spending disproportionate amount of time and / or money on this hobby are addicts. I've always estimated this to be 10-15 percent of mongers in attendance on a given day.
I'd estimate 70-80 percent are mongers that you refer to as "hobbyists" who might only do a handful of days of clubbing per year. Majority of locals probably fall into this category. They visit one Saturday night, and don't return for 3-4 months. Often they might only go if they are dragged their by a group of friends. Or maybe they are entertaining clients. As you say, similar to social drinkers who only drink on special occasions.
Then you have the guys who "FKK once and never return again". This could be a married man from Munich or Mumbai who has business in Frankfurt (or attending a Messe). This guy might sneak away for a few hours.McA,
With all respect, I must counter your point on local visitors. As a frequent flyer in a small number of clubs, I see many local visitors on a frequent basis.
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I think FKK WGs who don't read English either use Google's automated translation or check other forums (German, French etc.), not sure though.
.Good luck using Google translate English ---> Romanian to render such "words" as "CIM", "WG", "DATY". Or maybe they just come out untranslated in the translation and the girls by now know exactly what they mean. Still, I'm sure that the sexual language used here is not something Google Translate handles best.
Hello keto brother,
LOL. Always like reading your POV. 7 years is a long time on keto. I'm curious if you've done your lipid / cholesterol profile and what they look like after such a long time on keto.
Hello my fellow Keto brother.
Thank you very much. I did lipid / cholesterol profile every year and in past May my profile was: LDL: 2. 0, HDL:1. 84 and total cholesterol: 4. 0. I would like to mention two points for why my LDL was so low:
1. I take 30 gram Psyllium Husk powder daily.
2. My dietary fat source is almost entirely from extra virgin olive oil, so essentially I don't consume any animal fat. I only eat 2 eggs a week.
In terms of definition of addiction, I guess we disagree with each other LOL and have to let the readers decide what to take from our points of view.
McA,
With all respect, I must counter your point on local visitors. As a frequent flyer in a small number of clubs, I see many local visitors on a frequent basis.Those are my estimates at the big Hessen touristic clubs. When you have a club where 30-40 percent is stammgaste, they will typically mongers will say Hello, to each other or are cordial, and they talk about the WGs. One regular may not directly speak with every other regular in the club, but via mutual connections, a FOTB WG's service reputation will circulate fast. I suspect, that's why you said "sexy body topless Alina" won't last at LR. At Hessen touristic clubs, upselling is much easier to get away with because (1) WGs get lost in the shuffle because there are so many WGs to inventory and track and (2) percentage wise fewer stammgaste.
At smaller clubs especially like Babylon, LR, Luder Lounge, you are absolutely correct. In fact at Babylon, sometimes a non-known face would feel like an outsider. The few times I have been at Babylon, the receptionist shook my hand. But every other guest got a huge hug and kiss. LR at certain times and certain days only has about 25 guests. Three of them are there nearly every time I have been there (burly guy, two lawyers). And if you are there that day, we are already at 25 percent, haha. So what is the ratio at LR, consistently 50-60 percent frequent flyers?
ACA, Samya, YY seem to have similar ratios, addict-monger to social monger ratio. I would say these three clubs are closer to Hessen touristic then LR, Babylon, Luder Lounge.
It would be great to have some statistics. I am local to most of my clubs (YY, GT, Oceans, Magnum, Duisburg RLD, Salome) and I go 1-2 per week in a club.
But I would think, that most folks are going into the clubs on a more 5-10 per year basis. But like McA says in his second post, it may vary by club.
McA,
With all respect, I must counter your point on local visitors. As a frequent flyer in a small number of clubs, I see many local visitors on a frequent basis.
Your alcoholic vs. Social drinker analogy is spot on. People following this forum on a daily basis are probably addicts. Mongers spending disproportionate amount of time and / or money on this hobby are addicts. I've always estimated this to be 10-15 percent of mongers in attendance on a given day.
I'd estimate 70-80 percent are mongers that you refer to as "hobbyists" who might only do a handful of days of clubbing per year. Majority of locals probably fall into this category. They visit one Saturday night, and don't return for 3-4 months. Often they might only go if they are dragged their by a group of friends. Or maybe they are entertaining clients. As you say, similar to social drinkers who only drink on special occasions.
Then you have the guys who "FKK once and never return again". This could be a married man from Munich or Mumbai who has business in Frankfurt (or attending a Messe). This guy might sneak away for a few hours.I don't go to FKK clubs except some rare occasions, but I trust your knowledge, insight and wisdom.
HungryStud101
10-08-18, 21:29
But where are you getting your fat calories? Even with all the meat and veggies, there isn't enough carb-free sources of fats. That seems to be the problem for me. Protein in meat is still insulinogenic and the high protein diet knocked me out of ketosis.
I go for 2-3 week trips so maybe that is my problem. Not sure how long your FKK visits are but if they are short, I assume that is how you are able to stay in ketosis (if you measure your ketones).I do the Keto diet and I try to stick with it as much as possible. I think I have been successful because I exercise and I avoid sugar and simple carbs like bread and pasta and anything with wheat and flour. So I may not be in keto or get knocked out of it. No problem. I still am not eating all the crap I used to eat and this recent trip to Europe as well as my trip in August to Brazil, I came back with about 1. 5 lbs of weight loss. I am following the diet as much as possible but I am not a fanatic.
Maybe because I can go when I want, I could be nearly every day, working from there as I often do, if I wanted, but I prefer a no room visit or day, rather than a disappointing room. Not only about waste of money, but I hate frustration. I don't need sex with GND who don't worth 50 for me, I need pleasure with dreamed girls, and best for me would be to find the new one for kind of sex friend, even I can't resist when I see a real beauty like 2 on last Saturday.
I often left Sharks, Oase or GT with no room, even few times at Globe. I prefer quality than quantity.20 e says 10 random guys here would vote the average girls I session with at a higher optics than yours. Hehe.
Awesome with the lipids. It's good to know since I am in the early stages and have only done the six month check up.
As far as the definition of addiction, it's not a matter of opinion, addiction is currently clinically equally defined by the consequences as well as the the action, perhaps even more so by the consequences.
Sex addiction specifically has 2 criteria:
1. Recurrent failure to control the behavior.
2. Continuation of the behavior despite significant harmful consequences.
If that social hobbyist continues to attend the clubs once a month with risk of divorce if his wife finds out, he's a sex addict.
Hello my fellow Keto brother.
Thank you very much. I did lipid / cholesterol profile every year and in past May my profile was: LDL: 2. 0, HDL:1. 84 and total cholesterol: 4. 0. I would like to mention two points for why my LDL was so low:
1. I take 30 gram Psyllium Husk powder daily.
2. My dietary fat source is almost entirely from extra virgin olive oil, so essentially I don't consume any animal fat. I only eat 2 eggs a week.
In terms of definition of addiction, I guess we disagree with each other LOL and have to let the readers decide what to take from our points of view.
Good luck using Google translate English ---> Romanian to render such "words" as "CIM", "WG", "DATY". Or maybe they just come out untranslated in the translation and the girls by now know exactly what they mean. Still, I'm sure that the sexual language used here is not something Google Translate handles best.I have read a few threads on the italian forum lately for the past six months and about 80-90% is easily readable with google chrome autotranslate (google translate). Even the Italian slang words translated into 'rocket' etc, is easily understandable.
The topic regarding girls reading the forum is a tricky one.
Due to this, some posters fake their entry dates. Others wait a few months with reporting. Many girls try to use their sources in trying to find out who's who on the forum. A few have figured me out as well. At some clubs it seems like reading ISG is more popular than at other clubs. I guess it comes down to how much we write about their club in particular.
Out of boredom I believe many girls enjoy reading our reviews about their club and the girls there. Also one can say all news is good news, as it does at least bring up the clubs on the daily agenda the more one writes about a particular club. This 'hype-factor' shows that there are interest on a club or a girl, and interest is a matter of life or death in any marketplace. If you look at a very busy marketplace such as Ali-express (the Chinese e-market is more evolved than the american due to competition and population), you notice how much emphasis the sellers put on feedback. It feels almost like they pay you to even place a score on their shop and the item they sent you. To an extreme degree. I have shopped a lot at ali-express and the shop owners spam me regarding feedback constantly on every minor detail. Because they know the importance of word of mouth and reviews. And no review is almost as bad as a very negative review. On a scale from 1-10 regarding negative-positive, no review equates to around a 3. And if they don't get a high score (4 or 5 stars out of 5), they may just give you a discount coupon if they see your point.
I don't think the FKK scene will ever get this evolved in terms of perfect competition (GT does give out a 5 e discount coupon if you are unhappy though). Especially due to personal traits and connections with the girls, but with internet being so extremely important these days in all parts of life, the road is headed towards the state of ali-express, the worlds most evolved perfectly competitive marketplace for b2 c.
One issue that comes up in this regard on forums such as this, is weather or not people write positively only because they know a girl or a club reads it. And when they know who you are. This is where trust comes in. Write 100% negative on something, or 100% positive on another thing, and chances are 100% that you are 100% full of crap. Every review has positives AND negatives. Avoid one of these, and your bullshit factor skyrockets. Even Dietzenbach has positives, and even Macau back in 1998 had negatives (If I had only been there, I bet I would have found some).
I do the Keto diet and I try to stick with it as much as possible. I think I have been successful because I exercise and I avoid sugar and simple carbs like bread and pasta and anything with wheat and flour. So I may not be in keto or get knocked out of it. No problem. I still am not eating all the crap I used to eat and this recent trip to Europe as well as my trip in August to Brazil, I came back with about 1. 5 lbs of weight loss. I am following the diet as much as possible but I am not a fanatic.Awesome, just be careful doing soft "keto. " It's not just "not being a fanatic. " The reason keto physiologically works for weight loss is the suppression of an insulin response. If you are doing a soft keto, yes you are seeing weight loss because you cut carbs, but it is the worst cardiac diet ever. All that fat consumption and protein consumption together while still illicit an insulin response will over time cause vessel damage leading to a coronary event. Unless by keto, you just mean low carb and high protein without the high fat intake. And that is basically just Atkins.
Here is a fun fact for the mongers here. If you don't believe me, just ask any of the WG in your next trip to any FKK, validate (or prove me wrong), and maybe report back here?
Almost all the WGs do this during their FKK life, more so the English reading successful ones. Wake up, open up their phones, check the ISG threads in detail to find out if anything positive or negative was written about them, and overall what was written between the time they last checked and now, before getting out the bed. This may or may not be before they check their social media apps. Some check ISG even after they left the FKK life, usually not on a daily basis, but almost like checking how their legacy is holding up LOL. All these ISG checking is not only for business purposes, but more so due to AWS (Attention Wh**e Syndrome).
I think FKK WGs who don't read English either use Google's automated translation or check other forums (German, French etc.), not sure though.
So, whatever we mongers write here, can and likely be used against (or sometimes in favor of) us as applicable.Well after all, we all are the same creatures in one way or another in the cave called German FKK LOL.
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