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Yah, you are correct. I agree it is less unlikely. Senior homes. Hobbies. Don't FKK clubs offer senior discounts?
Also how does one define "romantic relationship"? Sometimes two widows get together. If two people in their 70's get together, I doubt they would view each other as the love of their life. They may just view each other as companions with mutual interests. Such a union might not be romantic in nature.Artemis on Sunday has senior discount, girls tell me quite many of them can get it up with no problem and some fuck hardcore, but with suspicion of blue pill, whatta inspiration and thanks to science world that keeps on evolving LOL!
There was one gentle older man who was at least in his late 60's who began mongering after his wife passed away, so it is good that FKK serves as place for elderly people to feel young and live good sex life once again.
People with high social status generally have high economic status as well. Although the opposite may not be true.
According to USA Bureau of Labor statistics, 38% of females made more than their husband. This means almost 4 out of 10 American men are able to "marry up". https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/18/millennial-women-worry-about-out-earning-boyfriends-and-husbands.html.
Overall, though men still make more than women in every European country. But that gap is not that large: "The lowest gender pay gap is in Romania (4. 5% followed by Luxembourg (5. 4 % Italy (6. 1% Belgium (6. 6%) and Slovenia (7. 0% The Netherlands (16.1%) and Latvia (17.3 %) are closest the most recent EU average (16.7%, 2014). " https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/the-european-regions-where-women-earn-more.
If what you say is true, then very soon RO women will stop seeking LTR with RO men.Makes sense Romania scores high on that one. I recall Thailand was the first country in the world where women made more money than men in average. I suppose sex sales are the key in both places.
But regarding your final suggestion, it doesn't have to go that way even if Polyamorist is correct. Other factors such as national politics (fascist ratio), religious level of the population (USA scores higher than western Europe here) and even the comparatively stage the population has reached in terms of modernization indexes and where they are on maslows hierarchy of needs may play a role here. And so a family value index may be contrived from these other factors. But the deciding factor may still be as Polyamorist says: women earning more than men. While the other factors may be key factors too, but secondary.
This is an excellent psychology lesson. What happens to men's mentality and societies or civilizations as we know them when all women turn into haters of men and start withholding sexual access?No worry, there always be prostitution, so professional prostitute hunter mongers will always prevail and be happy.
There is an ethical problem with your question. When I have time and occasion, I will talk about "another subject" in my post quoted in your post and answer your concern at that time.
Neurosynth
11-30-18, 20:48
This is the easiest place to admit that we are all sinners, some of us are even French.Funny line! I may have to steal that!
Makes sense Romania scores high on that one. I recall Thailand was the first country in the world where women made more money than men in average. I suppose sex sales are the key in both places.
But regarding your final suggestion, it doesn't have to go that way even if Polyamorist is correct. Other factors such as national politics (fascist ratio), religious level of the population (USA scores higher than western Europe here) and even the comparatively stage the population has reached in terms of modernization indexes and where they are on maslows hierarchy of needs may play a role here. And so a family value index may be contrived from these other factors. But the deciding factor may still be as Polyamorist says: women earning more than men. While the other factors may be key factors too, but secondary.In hotter countries like Thailand etc, men tend to be more relaxed because weather enable them to do that.
On the other hand, in countries with winter, they cannot afford to be relaxed during warm months because historically they had to prepare for winter, so men tend to become more responsible and be more intelligent and organized to prepare for winter.
I have been to Romania for holiday, and unfortunately I did not monger there while I was there for two weeks, but it really is nice country with many beautiful buildings, it is too shame that the nation is so corrupt and got no money to clean it up. I must say though, corruption and down side of advantages of nations are the reason why we mongers are enjoying the line up. As a proof, when FKK girls economy improve, we stop seeing some nationalities in FKK line up. Eastern European nations has been good provider to line up of FKK and I hope it will continue adding more eastern European nations to line up with further political economical mess in those region because these girls tend to be more beautiful.
Member #4636
12-01-18, 07:23
I. I must say though, corruption and down side of advantages of nations are the reason why we mongers are enjoying the line up. As a proof, when FKK girls economy improve, we stop seeing some nationalities in FKK line up. Eastern European nations has been good provider to line up of FKK and I hope it will continue adding more eastern European nations to line up with further political economical mess in those region because these girls tend to be more beautiful.This is true and especially for girls from Poland, Hungary, Belarus, Moldova and of course Romania.
On the other hand I see more and more mongers dying for German blondes so why that?
In hotter countries like Thailand etc, men tend to be more relaxed because weather enable them to do that.
On the other hand, in countries with winter, they cannot afford to be relaxed during warm months because historically they had to prepare for winter, so men tend to become more responsible and be more intelligent and organized to prepare for winter.
I have been to Romania for holiday, and unfortunately I did not monger there while I was there for two weeks, but it really is nice country with many beautiful buildings, it is too shame that the nation is so corrupt and got no money to clean it up. I must say though, corruption and down side of advantages of nations are the reason why we mongers are enjoying the line up. As a proof, when FKK girls economy improve, we stop seeing some nationalities in FKK line up. Eastern European nations has been good provider to line up of FKK and I hope it will continue adding more eastern European nations to line up with further political economical mess in those region because these girls tend to be more beautiful.Eastern Europe including Romania is quite cold during the winter. Colder than western Europe which has more water surrounding it, warming it up.
But you are right about the corruption and lack of economic progress keeping the recruitment to the FKK's up. And we see the same mechanics at work in Asia. When China grew richer, the hordes of single Chinese men flooded the entire Asia pacific region pulling the prices up. (Same with south Koreans in Philippines). Japanese also ruining the Thai market with their racist 'for Japanese men only' clubs. But Thailand doesn't have the most corrupt system right now, and the economy there is booming, so the times of Thailand is about run out. And what happens then to the hordes of men who has used Thailand as their hotspot for 20 years? It has been the worlds mongering capitol for that long now.
And what happens with the USA-China economic war? Would you as a Japanese be happier if China collapsed economically? Then you would get easier local access to mongering. At the very least, other Asians would get more local access. And the tourists leaving Asia to go elsewhere would fall.
Kosher Kowboy
12-01-18, 18:45
In hotter countries like Thailand etc, men tend to be more relaxed because weather enable them to do that.
On the other hand, in countries with winter, they cannot afford to be relaxed during warm months because historically they had to prepare for winter, so men tend to become more responsible and be more intelligent and organized to prepare for winter.
Mr Ho.
I am the opposite. I am told not only are prices up / service down in Thailand / Asia I am told by the last three friends who went there how hot and humid it can be even in their winter although cool at night. I think the same goes for Philippines and SE Asia. That being said I have zero desire to go and be uncomfortable nor sit in my hotel room waiting for sunset. I can get beautiful Asian women in Europe especially in Spain where there are so many Asian indies, brothels etc. I did PTY twice and I must say it was the worst mongering trips of my life although I got some good service from girls from Colombia, Panama, Cuba and Venezuela the latter two who work for less, are disliked by the first two and I still am baffled how those guys who go there haven't yet figured out to play the latter two off the first two and get better deals. Oh well, their money, not mine. When I left my hotel during the day within 5 minutes or less my balls were soaked and stuck to my thighs, my underwear stuck to my ass and my feet sloshed around in sweat. My second trip to study Spanish I bought all wicking clothes and didn't do a thing. At night when it was ' cool' (keep in mind it rains a shitload so still humid) and walked from the monger hotel so many stay at (Hyatt Place) where there were no chica fees at the time (now $15 I think) to Habanos Bar just two blocks away and you walk downhill not uphill once again was hot as fuck and no AirCon just fans which did no good. The Veneto Hotel Casino spot was worse, it was 3X the walk and arrived drenched. But the good pussy was there! Maybe one day Medellin in the mountains and many of the Colombian girls sent by their pimps to PTY there I am told work back in Colombia in their four main spots for as low as 50 percent if not more the prices they ask in PTY.
Regardless, as hot as Dietzenbach gets in summer and the rooms at Sharks etc nothing is worse than heat elsewhere so hot weather makes me as unrelaxed as a human being can get! But that is just me. I also grew up in DC / Boston / Chicago weather.
I proudly go to Germany and am cold in winter, last winter I walked from the Dietzenbach Bahnhoff to Day Care in snow, ice, blowing winds hitting my face like needles in the Chicago wind and was so happy.
And I plan to to it again :D
Well, this lounge is often where members exchange and reflect on their FKK from the comfort of their homes, during downtime between trips.
9 FKKs over the last two weeks, 4 in a row this week. Heaven? Maybe, but exhausting bringing with it post-FKK withdrawal. I cannot set foot in another one for a while.
I can't stand to hear the word "Schatzi" anymore, play games about how old we are, where we're from, avoiding gazes, gaging girls and negotiating, worrying about rip-offs, consuming massive amounts of food and coke, reading forums and writing on them, staying up till 4 am.
Kosher Kowboy
12-01-18, 19:07
Well, this lounge is often where members exchange and reflect on their FKK from the comfort of their homes, during downtime between trips.
9 FKKs over the last two weeks, 4 in a row this week. Heaven? Maybe, but exhausting bringing with it post-FKK withdrawal. I cannot set foot in another one for a while.
I can't hear the word "Schatzi" anymore, play games about how old we are, where we're from, avoiding gazes, gaging girls and negotiating, worrying about rip-offs, consuming massive amounts of food and coke, reading forums and writing on them, staying up till 4 am.Well said.
But.
You aren't done yet. You need to play host to two Americans and an Irishmen not too long from now. And.
I am still determined to drag you to Day Care (ok, I will pay the fucking entry for you!) so you walk out with good latex sexperiences although you will hate the club and I know you have completed your Tour de FKKs but you still need to go to Mainhatten (I will buy a beer for you) just so you can curse out the girls I love when you tell them to fuck off!!
Despite your fatigue, great field reporting and much appreciated on the ISG and around the world!
Day Care / Mainhatten can wait until January / February or April unless you wish to ' pay up/or tell them to go fuck themselves' and/or ' get filthy' this month :D
Eastern Europe including Romania is quite cold during the winter. Colder than western Europe which has more water surrounding it, warming it up.
But you are right about the corruption and lack of economic progress keeping the recruitment to the FKK's up. And we see the same mechanics at work in Asia. When China grew richer, the hordes of single Chinese men flooded the entire Asia pacific region pulling the prices up. (Same with south Koreans in Philippines). Japanese also ruining the Thai market with their racist 'for Japanese men only' clubs. But Thailand doesn't have the most corrupt system right now, and the economy there is booming, so the times of Thailand is about run out. And what happens then to the hordes of men who has used Thailand as their hotspot for 20 years? It has been the worlds mongering capitol for that long now.
And what happens with the USA-China economic war? Would you as a Japanese be happier if China collapsed economically? Then you would get easier local access to mongering. At the very least, other Asians would get more local access. And the tourists leaving Asia to go elsewhere would fall.Romania is beautiful country, and I hope their nation improve in area of corruption for them, but that is not good for us mongers because we will lose Romanians in lineup like we lost many nationalities before. As I said before now I am waiting till ukraine join some kind of visa deal with eu or join eu itself if granted right to do so.
Thailand is unique place with so much unstability in politic, now it is even military lead politic, but somehow the nations is fine. I have been there, but I did not monger there, just beach. Only nation I monger in Asia before is Philippines for Eurasian girls, thanks to american military base in Philippines producing so many Eurasian girls and also oversee Filipino maids etc that comes back with Eurasian babies. As for foreign men in Thailand who are living there, some of them are now struggling because they went and lived there thinking price of things there will be cheap, but it no longer the case for civilized products and service. If one want to live like local, it still is cheap, but that is not standard most are used to. Thailand is booming, but with foreign money and with not much industry of their own though. Also now men monger in golden triangle nations because that is where they get what they are looking for.
As for China economic war, China is so big with so many people, but when it comes to qualities, things are really limited and as for now, they are more like factory of world rather their own industries, so if production cost increases, factories will pull out like many are doing already. USA pressure on China is pushing China to Japan and I think it is good thing. China beside its qualities and manner of doing things is big country, so it is worth for Japan to have strong relation with them if we can, but Japan prevailed based on qualities, not quantity like China, so it is totally two different format of country. Also Japans best friend always will be and should be USA, but I hope USA will come back on its feet as they once used to be, as for trump we do not really mind trump as beside all the mouth to control masses in USA, trump is actually quite fine and Japan has our counter strategy, for Japan, trump is easier to deal with than Obama because trump is one patter strategy always the same method of negotiation so easier for Japan to figure out what to do as counter strategy LOL. So trump for us is fine.
However, capitalism is only system human knows that arguably works comparison to other ideologies and system, and because of such system we mongers are enjoying young beauties one after another in FKK or elsewhere mongering is good. We live in amazing era when we can fuck so many new young beautiful girls around world legally, and this is able for mongers because we are benefiting from people who are downside of advantages of capitalism, ain't it ironically great reality.
Mr Ho.
I am the opposite. I am told not only are prices up / service down in Thailand / Asia I am told by the last three friends who went there how hot and humid it can be even in their winter although cool at night. I think the same goes for Philippines and SE Asia. That being said I have zero desire to go and be uncomfortable nor sit in my hotel room waiting for sunset. I can get beautiful Asian women in Europe especially in Spain where there are so many Asian indies, brothels etc. I did PTY twice and I must say it was the worst mongering trips of my life although I got some good service from girls from Colombia, Panama, Cuba and Venezuela the latter two who work for less, are disliked by the first two and I still am baffled how those guys who go there haven't yet figured out to play the latter two off the first two and get better deals. Oh well, their money, not mine. When I left my hotel during the day within 5 minutes or less my balls were soaked and stuck to my thighs, my underwear stuck to my ass and my feet sloshed around in sweat. My second trip to study Spanish I bought all wicking clothes and didn't do a thing. At night when it was ' cool' (keep in mind it rains a shitload so still humid) and walked from the monger hotel so many stay at (Hyatt Place) where there were no chica fees at the time (now $15 I think) to Habanos Bar just two blocks away and you walk downhill not uphill once again was hot as fuck and no AirCon just fans which did no good. The Veneto Hotel Casino spot was worse, it was 3X the walk and arrived drenched. But the good pussy was there! Maybe one day Medellin in the mountains and many of the Colombian girls sent by their pimps to PTY there I am told work back in Colombia in their four main spots for as low as 50 percent if not more the prices they ask in PTY.I love summer in Berlin because it is not hot, it is not cold, just fine weather, I used to love spending summer time in Artemis.
As for Sharks, it is most hot clubs during summer for temperature, there is fan inside, but I was having such a good sweaty sex in room with fan right at end of bed blowing us strong wind that after that day, I got sick.
I never mongered in Thailand, just went for holiday and I did see red light district for tourism but I did not fuck anybody there, I am not so into most Asian girls unless she is real beauty or Eurasian girl, you know mixed blood with west. I did monger in manila and I must say, in KTV, it was good system because you can see and choose who to fuck, so similar to FKK. But you are right, in Europe you find bunch of Asian prostitutes, so no need to travel all the way to Asia for it unless you combine it with holiday and prices in Asia is increasing due to economy being better, but mind you those nations are only doing good with foreign money, it is still so corrupt and I do not think their nation will truly develop like G7 nations, it is corrupt system from top to bottom there, sadly.
For mongering I use Japan for Eurasian girls and some model type Japanese girls that are rare to find just few per year and as for exotic Romanians girls and white blonde beauties, I go to German FKK, so tasting best of both world LOL!
Well, this lounge is often where members exchange and reflect on their FKK from the comfort of their homes, during downtime between trips.
9 FKKs over the last two weeks, 4 in a row this week. Heaven? Maybe, but exhausting bringing with it post-FKK withdrawal. I cannot set foot in another one for a while.
I can't stand to hear the word "Schatzi" anymore, play games about how old we are, where we're from, avoiding gazes, gaging girls and negotiating, worrying about rip-offs, consuming massive amounts of food and coke, reading forums and writing on them, staying up till 4 am.Haha, I suppose this is why many or most people don't even look at ISG or other forums while there, and report on stuff awhile after. And also why many here spend hours in saunas, yaccuzis, swimming pools, laying in the sun during the summer, napping between sessions and chatting with other guys.
Kosher Kowboy
12-02-18, 01:22
I am not so into most Asian girls unless she is real beauty or Eurasian girl, you know mixed blood with west. I did monger in manila and I must say, in KTV, it was good system because you can see and choose who to fuck, so similar to FKK. But you are right, in Europe you find bunch of Asian prostitutes, so no need to travel all the way to Asia for it
Mr Ho, We must have similar tastes. A friend visiting Thailand who told me I wouldn't like it if I am not in to Asians (or tropical climates) sent me a picture of a lineup several months ago. I picked out the one I would go with *IF* I HAD to choose from that LU. She happened to be of all the girls the only one who wasn't 100 percent Asian rather half Thai and half European. For this reason I go where you go. Germany / Europe. I like white women the most. All others are tied for second and employed at random times. Besides Brazil (bucket list) and Medellin (poor man's holiday weekend) the rest of the world is out :D
I can tour Asia all I want on YouTube (it is a beautiful place) as well as the full circle screen theaters in Epcot Center in Orlando (China has the best showcase of all) and I can sample their fine cuisines watching reruns of the late (may he rest in peace) Anthony Bourdain or fly to any locations where Iron Chef Masaharu Morimoto has a restaurant in the USA, not one reason to go there except to be a tourist and as my English Dietzenbach pal says ' you can enjoy pussy in this lifetime and in the next one be a tourist'.
Neurosynth
12-02-18, 07:32
I picked out the one I would go with *IF* I HAD to choose from that LU. She happened to be of all the girls the only one who wasn't 100 percent Asian rather half Thai and half European.What bothers me about asian women in terms of aesthetics is when they have pug noses. This is more common in SE Asia, like in Thailand. I like asian women with thinner smaller noses more likely to be found in Japan or Korea. It's oddly similar with Black women. I'm find with the look as long as they have thin noses. Some do, many don't.
What doesn't bother me are large noses on white women. As long as the nose is lean and bony, I don't mind if it sticks out far. German women, for example, can have big noses often with a beak-like angle. I find that sexy actually. Once kissed this one German gal, and it took a couple tries to find the angle to avoid getting poked in the eye!
But the pug nose has got to go.
Member #4636
12-02-18, 09:16
Has anyone experienced this in a FKK club? If its happened I think the girl should pay you back or at least don't ask for money LOL LOL.
What bothers me about asian women in terms of aesthetics is when they have pug noses. This is more common in SE Asia, like in Thailand. I like asian women with thinner smaller noses more likely to be found in Japan or Korea. It's oddly similar with Black women. I'm find with the look as long as they have thin noses.....Well it really takes all kinds to make a world. If a girl has a hot body I don't give the slightest damn about her facial features as long as they're human and the head is not disproportionately large. I perform 90% of my fucking in doggy-style so how could facial features matter much to me. In doggy-style a girl is nearly headless. I prefer her not to have been freshly beheaded though because of the blood messing up the sheets.
Hey XXL,
That was a great way to start my Sunday. So funny.
Well it really takes all kinds to make a world. If a girl has a hot body I don't give the slightest damn about her facial features as long as they're human and the head is not disproportionately large. I perform 90% of my fucking in doggy-style so how could facial features matter much to me. In doggy-style a girl is nearly headless. I prefer her not to have been freshly beheaded though because of the blood messing up the sheets.
Mr Ho, We must have similar tastes. A friend visiting Thailand who told me I wouldn't like it if I am not in to Asians (or tropical climates) sent me a picture of a lineup several months ago. I picked out the one I would go with *IF* I HAD to choose from that LU. She happened to be of all the girls the only one who wasn't 100 percent Asian rather half Thai and half European. For this reason I go where you go. Germany / Europe. I like white women the most. All others are tied for second and employed at random times. Besides Brazil (bucket list) and Medellin (poor man's holiday weekend) the rest of the world is out :D
I can tour Asia all I want on YouTube (it is a beautiful place) as well as the full circle screen theaters in Epcot Center in Orlando (China has the best showcase of all) and I can sample their fine cuisines watching reruns of the late (may he rest in peace) Anthony Bourdain or fly to any locations where Iron Chef Masaharu Morimoto has a restaurant in the USA, not one reason to go there except to be a tourist and as my English Dietzenbach pal says ' you can enjoy pussy in this lifetime and in the next one be a tourist'.Yes, I only like very few model level Asian girls and I am all in favor for Eurasian only almost, but eurasians are hard to find.
Japan is actually good for mongering, but unfortunately, mongering industry is not so open fully to foreigners to protect girls and also the market is saturated domestically already. Good news is they are opening up. Either way, line up is not stable as Germany.
I love FKK because it is so open and see who you are going to fuck and choose as you feel like.
Older monger once told me, any dollar not spend on beautiful prostitute is a waste of money, so while I am alive, let us fuck the most beautiful girls to the fullest LOL!
I have done enough tourism, so I focus mostly on mongering, but even in Germany when I have time, I do tourist things visiting some world heritages etc.
Well it really takes all kinds to make a world. If a girl has a hot body I don't give the slightest damn about her facial features as long as they're human and the head is not disproportionately large. I perform 90% of my fucking in doggy-style so how could facial features matter much to me. In doggy-style a girl is nearly headless. I prefer her not to have been freshly beheaded though because of the blood messing up the sheets.Lucky you with cover the face and fuck the base style LOL.
Me I care both body and face, though I do not care if she has small tits, what I do not like is fake boobs and surgeries and tattoo. Picture me having hard time at FKK LOL!
Mr Ho, We must have similar tastes. A friend visiting Thailand who told me I wouldn't like it if I am not in to Asians (or tropical climates) sent me a picture of a lineup several months ago. I picked out the one I would go with *IF* I HAD to choose from that LU. She happened to be of all the girls the only one who wasn't 100 percent Asian rather half Thai and half European. For this reason I go where you go. Germany / Europe. I like white women the most. All others are tied for second and employed at random times. Besides Brazil (bucket list) and Medellin (poor man's holiday weekend) the rest of the world is out :DI three also am not attracted to most Asian women. But when I am, man am I LOL! Let me put it this way. I had a 72 hour stretch in Pattaya when I didn't see a single tute I wanted to fuck! Not one! We're talking three days at the ground zero of fucking in Thailand! I had a great time there (Bangkok, Phuket, and Pattaya), but I knew I would be fucking less because I'm just not as attracted to Asian women. I like the white girls and the Latinas. This is one reason why Brazil rules! Plenty of both!
When in Thailand, I did happen to discover what I call two rare "white tigers" though. I'm talking Thai girls who looked just like white girls! I'm not lying or exaggerating one bit! One I met at a go-go club on Soi Cowboy. The other at a club in Phuket. The one in Phuket, I swear to God she looked just like a white-skinned, Thai Jennifer Anniston! So exotic, and feel like I could have fallen head over heels in love with that one. Went with her a few times and was happy to pay mamasan's premium. Mamasan knew she had a rare "white tiger" whose services were available for sale to discerning gentlemen with some baht in their pockets. Yes sir!
Steve 9696
12-02-18, 15:20
What bothers me about asian women in terms of aesthetics is when they have pug noses. This is more common in SE Asia, like in Thailand. I like asian women with thinner smaller noses more likely to be found in Japan or Korea. It's oddly similar with Black women. I'm find with the look as long as they have thin noses. Some do, many don't.
What doesn't bother me are large noses on white women. As long as the nose is lean and bony, I don't mind if it sticks out far. German women, for example, can have big noses often with a beak-like angle. I find that sexy actually. Once kissed this one German gal, and it took a couple tries to find the angle to avoid getting poked in the eye!
But the pug nose has got to go.Ha. Ha. Ha. I am JUST THE OPPOSITE! I love the soft curves and smaller noses of Asian and Latina stock. The angular strong noses of Euro stock turn me off. Of course the pug goes a bit far. Best of course is a mixed race girl. But the nose is not the final deal breaker though.
Milky white skin and blue eyes are a mega turnoff for me. So the Nordic look is the farthest from my wheelhouse. Romanians of course come in all varieties. I like the dark eyes and slightly darker skin. If you saw Deadpool, My favorite Romanian at Artemis. Karina, was a dead ringer for Morena Baccarin (morena actually means brunette in Portuguese) and her nose is admittedly a slightly sharper mix.
Kosher Kowboy
12-02-18, 15:52
Milky white skin and blue eyes are a mega turnoff for me. So the Nordic look is the farthest from my wheelhouse..
What doesn't bother me are large noses on white women. As long as the nose is lean and bony, I don't mind if it sticks out far. German women, for example, can have big noses often with a beak-like angle. German or Romanian (or anything) , combining the two above if find-able is worth a few extra Euros and / or being ripped off to me :D
I flew Wow Airlines a few weeks ago, the stewardesses all looked like the above. Their hair was a natural blonde not colored and their eyes were naturally blue not ' snapchat filtered' ones or enhanced. All were Icelandic. All beautiful. I wish they all worked the floor of some FKK. 150 e / HR, no problem, take my money!
Steve 9696
12-02-18, 16:20
German or Romanian (or anything) , combining the two above if find-able is worth a few extra Euros and / or being ripped off to me :D
I flew Wow Airlines a few weeks ago, the stewardesses all looked like the above. Their hair was a natural blonde not colored and their eyes were naturally blue not ' snapchat filtered' ones or enhanced. All were Icelandic. All beautiful. I wish they all worked the floor of some FKK. 150 e / HR, no problem, take my money!I guess I am a freak of nature. I have no problem picking out the Nordic stunners. I can say "wow, that girl is really pretty" but then have absolutely no desire to fuck her. I find them pretty, but I have no attraction to them.
It's funny because my Brazilian stunner likes to wear green contacts sometimes (never with me) and I can tell you from pictures she sends that, if anything, she looks more stunning with them in. And yet, my attraction to her is 5 X less with them in. (I can tolerate green eyes (not blue), tho I admit I've never been with a green eyed girl when there are billions of brown eyed to choose from).
Kosher Kowboy
12-02-18, 16:35
I guess I am a freak of nature. I have no problem picking out the Nordic stunners. I can say "wow, that girl is really pretty" but then have absolutely no desire to fuck her. I find them pretty, but I have no attraction to them.
.I think our (collectively speaking) varied tastes are a great thing. If we all liked the same thing we would have less girls and they would all look alike, it is our varied tastes that ultimately allow us different selections.
I do not think you are a freak of nature, you like what you like. I would like a Brazilian too, one day will venture there right to the source. I can't find a natural blue eyed blond haired beauty here although they are in existence here in TX in abundance too but if truly a beauty they are snatched up by wealthy playboys and sugar daddies (or both).
TX hookers for the most part look like they stuck their fingers in electric sockets or were let out of a treatment center that morning or the Travis or Williamson County Lockups. Most of their boyfriends/husbands live in said lockups or county jails vashing latrines and sink basins as opposed to working in Doner shops.
So you aren't a freak of nature if you were you would be flying to TX to monger or worse living in TX and too fucking stupid to get the fuck out! The smart ones travel, the idiots stay home :D
Steve,
If going for dark skin, then Ethiopians are easily the hottest type. And they are probably going for a tenth the price you need to pay in Brazil. Plus they eat healthier than the junk you get in Brazil. Seen some hot dark skinned girls in Dominica as well, mixed with native Americans there. But those are far in between. Those who like dark skin must have it very easy on the wallet. Although I suppose the airline tickets are more expensive.
A main problem with dark skin is that the skin age faster. So perhaps some people consider that when looking at girls. Subconsciously they validate the longevity of a potential partner.
As a sidenote, Nordics can get quite dark skin when tanned. British islanders have more of a problem with that, and their skin is actually lighter even if Britain is located south of the Nordics. You go further north to the Inuits etc and people are even darker than that too.
If going for dark skin, then Ethiopians are easily the hottest type. A main problem with dark skin is that the skin age faster. So perhaps some people consider that when looking at girls. Subconsciously they validate the longevity of a potential partner. As a sidenote, Nordics can get quite dark skin when tanned. British islanders have more of a problem with that, and their skin is actually lighter even if Britain is located south of the Nordics.I will agree with you about the Ethiopians. I saw some model quality ones when mongering in Dubai, but didn't fuck any because I read that their performance was terrible for one thing. And second, I preferred to "fuck with" the blonde, white Ruskies in Dubai instead.
But some of the other stuff you write! I just don't know where you get it from. Dark skin ages faster? Really? And what scientific evidence of that do you have? You ever notice how German and British people age and what their skin looks like as they do? I remember talking to a hot German tute at Artemis after we had finished fucking, and the both of us agreeing how badly German people can age, and how awful their skin can look in process.
I don't think it simply comes down to light or dark skin at all. No, actually it comes down to individual genetics, which can allow both dark and light skinned people to age gracefully (or not).
Steve 9696
12-02-18, 20:30
Steve,
If going for dark skin, then Ethiopians are easily the hottest type. And they are probably going for a tenth the price you need to pay in Brazil. Plus they eat healthier than the junk you get in Brazil. Seen some hot dark skinned girls in Dominica as well, mixed with native Americans there. But those are far in between. Those who like dark skin must have it very easy on the wallet. Although I suppose the airline tickets are more expensive.
A main problem with dark skin is that the skin age faster. So perhaps some people consider that when looking at girls. Subconsciously they validate the longevity of a potential partner.
As a sidenote, Nordics can get quite dark skin when tanned. British islanders have more of a problem with that, and their skin is actually lighter even if Britain is located south of the Nordics. You go further north to the Inuits etc and people are even darker than that too.Well I guess I am a middle of the road guy. Dark skin is not what I look for either — It's that tanned to cafe au lait color I like best. For me, the mixed races are the prettiest. My Brazilian hottie is a strong in between. Clearly has enough African somewhere way back to get those beautiful full (but not too full) lips and that soft curve to her nose (she wants to have it narrowed) and lovely tan skin. Crap I'm getting a boner. Somebody stop me!
Well I guess I am a middle of the road guy. Dark skin is not what I look for either It's that tanned to cafe au lait color I like best. For me, the mixed races are the prettiest. My Brazilian hottie is a strong in between. Clearly has enough African somewhere way back to get those beautiful full (but not too full) lips and that soft curve to her nose (she wants to have it narrowed) and lovely tan skin. Crap I'm getting a boner. Somebody stop me!I do cafe au lait girls also, and thankfully, Germany is the nation of immigration for decades, so we have many white and darker skin nation mixed girls and many of them are in FKK, so they serve me as my exotic taste when I want something different to white girls.
The best is threesome with one mixed darker half white girl and white blonde girl, you make them BBBJ you at the same time and this is what I call LE cafe au lait BBBJ deux LOL!
Jack of all trades are the essence of German FKK with heavy concentration on Romanians.
I would wish FKK will get more local German girls like it once used to, if not I hope Ukraine join EU or some other nations in eastern Europe will manage to join some kind of visa agreement to work in Germany.
The Cane: maybe I was a bit unclear. I suppose it is more the exposure to the sun that makes peoples skin age faster. So therefore a dark skinned person avoiding the sun shouldn't age any faster than a white skinned person also avoiding the sun.
Well I guess I am a middle of the road guy. Dark skin is not what I look for either It's that tanned to cafe au lait color I like best. For me, the mixed races are the prettiest. My Brazilian hottie is a strong in between. Clearly has enough African somewhere way back to get those beautiful full (but not too full) lips and that soft curve to her nose (she wants to have it narrowed) and lovely tan skin. Crap I'm getting a boner. Somebody stop me!Well I am not sure exactly where on the dark. White scale that exactly is. Is it around where Iraqi girls are? Or Yemeni? Or Eritrean? You won't find the nose thingy in the countries I mentioned. I suppose that is more of a Bantu or sub Saharan gene, but nonetheless not important. I agree though that some tan is nice, but my own range is fairly wide on it. The two problems I have with African girls is not the color of their skin. The first one is the texture. It is thicker and more course than white skin, or even Asian skin which can be dark but still soft. And the second is too many curls, which can scratch a bit. But go to for example Eritrea, which is probably even a better hotspot of beauty, although much smaller than Ethiopia, and their skin is less course and many also have straight hair. But of course, there is a mixing of genes there between the ME and Sub Saharan Africa.
Regarding mixed girls, some of the best mixes you find if you mix an extreme Asian, say Vietnamese or Beijing / xi'an person with an African or Brazilian or European.
I suppose the idea of beauty is always average symmetry. So too much European, too much Asian or too much African will have a hard time competing in a global beauty competition with the right mixes between the three. Although some mixes just turn out horrible too and the baby gets the worst genes from either. LOL. It is a lottery.
Regarding mixed girls, some of the best mixes you find if you mix an extreme Asian, say Vietnamese or Beijing / xi'an person with an African or Brazilian or European.
I suppose the idea of beauty is always average symmetry. So too much European, too much Asian or too much African will have a hard time competing in a global beauty competition with the right mixes between the three. Although some mixes just turn out horrible too and the baby gets the worst genes from either. LOL. It is a lottery.Well, at least in FKK, we can look at girls in real life before choosing who to fuck.
I met very few Eurasian in German FKK and most are so average that I did not choose to session with them, but only one time, I found half Vietnamese and half German girl in Artemis, she clearly was new to industry because she really did not know what she was doing room, so it gave me liberty to do what I wanted and she did not say anything LOL. This was strange because Artemis supposed to take only experienced girls. Anyways, I get Eurasians in Tokyo, so German FKK is for different use for me to fuck white beauties mostly and some other exotic races that my penis seeks for to enhance quality of my sex life LOL!
On the other hand, I like meeting second or third generation mixed immigrant girls with German blood, some of those girls are such a exotic beauty. And with German raise back ground, they usually are good providers.
Looks are subjective, but I like classic beauty straight out of fashion magazine, but I understand the different tastes, like when I was in manila, all the white guys go for more brown skinned typical local girls with small push face noses Filipino looks, where as I go only for Eurasian girls half white and half Philippine more model type girls, so different people seek for different girls, but I stick to my classic beauties straight out of fashion magazine type or hottest girl in college type.
With all these immigration or more like migration going on, there will be more and more mixed race girls for us monger to enjoy them while these girls are in early to mid 20's.
My formula is to enjoy girls in their prime beauty of early 20's to max around mid 20's, rest of her organic life we leave it to some other naive guys to deal with LOL!
Although some mixes just turn out horrible too and the baby gets the worst genes from either. LOL. It is a lottery.Slanty eyes and a wide face with a big nose, big lips, and kinky hair mixed with western materialism and a communist heart, the worst combination.
Slanty eyes and a wide face with a big nose, big lips, and kinky hair mixed with western materialism and a communist heart, the worst combination.A lot of white guys tastes are like that in Asia, they go for typical local looks especially in south east Asia. Which serve me good because white guys keep on fucking those ugly girls and eventually produce beautiful Eurasian girls for me to taste in their early 20's to mid 20's LOL! Leaving rest of her older organic life to some naive guys to take good care of her older age LOL!
A lot of white guys tastes are like that in Asia, they go for typical local looks especially in south east Asia. Which serve me good because white guys keep on fucking those ugly girls and eventually produce beautiful Eurasian girls for me to taste in their early 20's to mid 20's LOL! Leaving rest of her older organic life to some naive guys to take good care of her older age LOL!I think you missed the point of the post. Perhaps a language barrier.
Steve 9696
12-06-18, 04:56
Well I am not sure exactly where on the dark. White scale that exactly is. Is it around where Iraqi girls are? Or Yemeni? Or Eritrean? You won't find the nose thingy in the countries I mentioned. I suppose that is more of a Bantu or sub Saharan gene, but nonetheless not important. I agree though that some tan is nice, but my own range is fairly wide on it. The two problems I have with African girls is not the color of their skin. The first one is the texture. It is thicker and more course than white skin, or even Asian skin which can be dark but still soft. And the second is too many curls, which can scratch a bit. But go to for example Eritrea, which is probably even a better hotspot of beauty, although much smaller than Ethiopia, and their skin is less course and many also have straight hair. But of course, there is a mixing of genes there between the ME and Sub Saharan Africa.Well the best for me is Brazilian. And of course I know Brazil has all types. I am still learning the lingo, but they have a type called a Morena -- which translates simply to "brunette" in English, but it is more than that. I guess a "slightly dark Latina" might be an apt description. For example Eva Mendez. She to me is the classic Morena beauty.
Of the ten girls I saw in Brazil, all I believe were Morenas so clearly that is my thing.
Well the best for me is Brazilian. And of course I know Brazil has all types. I am still learning the lingo, but they have a type called a Morena -- which translates simply to "brunette" in English, but it is more than that. I guess a "slightly dark Latina" might be an apt description. For example Eva Mendez. She to me is the classic Morena beauty.
Of the ten girls I saw in Brazil, all I believe were Morenas so clearly that is my thing.Morena can be found in German FKK, it is just that morena in German FKK are Romanians LOL.
I think you missed the point of the post. Perhaps a language barrier.I think you missed the point of the post.
ExpatLover
12-06-18, 06:27
A lot of white guys tastes are like that in Asia, they go for typical local looks especially in south east Asia. Which serve me good because white guys keep on fucking those ugly girls and eventually produce beautiful Eurasian girls for me to taste in their early 20's to mid 20's LOL! Leaving rest of her older organic life to some naive guys to take good care of her older age LOL!I am a old white guy in my 60 and I spent 15 years in Asia mostly in China, Vietnam and I believe that I am able to select young, fresh Chinese girls mostly students and not professional, obviously those girls will only go with very very wealthy Chinese man or with Laowai. The experience with those girls is the best in all my life and far above what is possible to get with a girl in a FKK. Sometimes I am happy to meet some real amateur escort in Germany and the things are closer to the Asian one.
Slanty eyes and a wide face with a big nose, big lips, and kinky hair mixed with western materialism and a communist heart, the worst combination.Well, the perception of beauty also differs, so in the west slant eyes is seen by many as beautiful, while in east Asia less so much. Goes back to my original statement on averages. And if you see something unique, its deemed beautiful. The same goes for square or long faces. The lips and nose thingy is something I don't pay much focus on. Maybe you are right, but I remember in Macau where all the Chinese girls at Rio Sauna had nose surgery. They ended up in the uncanny valley for me. The unchanged Chinese at 18 Sauna was incredibly much sexier. And their noses were more of the Chinese type. So I suppose it just has to look natural. Same goes for the mouth among Africans. But both doesn't bother me. But in terms of sex, soft skin makes a massive difference.
A lot of white guys tastes are like that in Asia, they go for typical local looks especially in south east Asia. Which serve me good because white guys keep on fucking those ugly girls and eventually produce beautiful Eurasian girls for me to taste in their early 20's to mid 20's LOL! Leaving rest of her older organic life to some naive guys to take good care of her older age LOL!Yeah LOL. I know a Eurasian mix who is really sexy coming from something like that. Half local where I live and half Philippine. Face is nothing extraordinary. Perhaps a 8 minus. But she has interesting muscle dynamics, and those things can be exotic. Philippinas are a bit of an odd out out in Asia though. I suppose they are already a mixed pot. Making Philippines quite interesting. Too bad their diets are so crappy that 90% still have babyfat when they are 30 years old. Samar beauties are some of the hottest I have ever seen. And we all know where the Spaniards first landed in the Philippines. It was in Samar. And they treated it like a brothel! LOL! And now the locals there have a good percentage of Spanish genes. It seems like 25-30% European genes is a good mix there.
The same can be said about the Davao girls down in Mindanao where the hottest ones have some 25-50% Chinese genes.
BigBuddy69
12-06-18, 21:29
I think you missed the point of the post. Perhaps a language barrier.Just had a few "LOLs" and some "stunners" and it will be clearer for him.
And don't forget to erase all the articles, they complicate everything!
Polyamorist
12-06-18, 21:56
My formula is to enjoy girls in their prime beauty of early 20's to max around mid 20's, rest of her organic life we leave it to some other naive guys to deal with LOL!You know what I am fed up with 20th century girls. Two world wars, a wrecked environment, capital-feudalism extended to every corner of the globe, I am sick of it. I don't want any girl that remembers 90's music. "History, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake. " From now on I only want girls born in the 21st century.
You know what I am fed up with 20th century girls. Two world wars, a wrecked environment, capital-feudalism extended to every corner of the globe, I am sick of it. I don't want any girl that remembers 90's music. "History, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake. " From now on I only want girls born in the 21st century.Well we mongers going to do that LOL! We get older, girls we fuck remain same age because we change them, we paid attention in our math class, mongers are the grade a student in math and art LOL!
Either way we live in good era if we have ability to think using our brain and not old society norm engraved in us, even though some retro thinking is nice, I prefer some new way of thinking too. Best of both world I guess and as a monger, we live in good age where we can fuck young beauties to our choice from all over the world with such easy access.
Yeah LOL. I know a Eurasian mix who is really sexy coming from something like that. Half local where I live and half Philippine. Face is nothing extraordinary. Perhaps a 8 minus. But she has interesting muscle dynamics, and those things can be exotic. Philippinas are a bit of an odd out out in Asia though. I suppose they are already a mixed pot. Making Philippines quite interesting. Too bad their diets are so crappy that 90% still have babyfat when they are 30 years old. Samar beauties are some of the hottest I have ever seen. And we all know where the Spaniards first landed in the Philippines. It was in Samar. And they treated it like a brothel! LOL! And now the locals there have a good percentage of Spanish genes. It seems like 25-30% European genes is a good mix there.Half Asian and half white are good mix and surprisingly I met few half Arab and half Asian who were good mix, she was half Saudi half Philippine, wow she was beauty! Another good mix is also half Iran and half Asian too.
Some can born not looking stunner enough, but mostly mixed race girls are really beautiful. I usually never go with black girls, but I go with half white and half black girls if they are stunner level beauty. I also love half white and half Arab, and you know what we are lucky because in Germany we got a lot of mixed blood girls.
Just had a few "LOLs" and some "stunners" and it will be clearer for him.
And don't forget to erase all the articles, they complicate everything!Language of sarcasm is language of subtlety. Flies over heads. LOL.
TankTank123
12-08-18, 03:50
Language of sarcasm is language of subtlety. Flies over heads. LOL.I have found that sarcasm and irony does not work most of the time with the Japanese and the French. It works with Germans who are fluent in English. English catch it straight away; Americans half the time, depending on which parts of the States they are from.
I have found that sarcasm and irony does not work most of the time with the Japanese and the French. It works with Germans who are fluent in English. English catch it straight away; Americans half the time, depending on which parts of the States they are from.Sarcasm or jealousy? I'm pretty sure more of jealousy at World, to need so much to speak about a guy to a girl, and to need to write several times about without knowing anything. As wrote a Japanese so jealous about Raïssa, second hand was then sitting waiting whole a mid July 2015 Saturday night, when I already stopped with Raïssa. Furthermore, I would have chosen her 100 times to make her jump to mirror, or for diner, rather than Raïssa even she was one of the loveliest for her behavior out of room, but no spark for me. But I marry girls only for the best. When she was not able to understand but I made deep pain for me when I stopped with my best ever in FKK land, at LR, when we had a great last Friday, but I couldn t anymore look at her like a woman, then she could ask: You don't like me anymore? She asked many times. But not same image, no more desire.
The girls should hand out cards, with pictures and stats. Imagine the collection we would have.
The girls should hand out cards, with pictures and stats. Imagine the collection we would have.Haha, LOL!
This is too funny! Where did we read about the SJW's complaining about how we measure women on these forums comparably to how farmers measure cows on the local farmers market now? A comparison so ridiculous and insane that we just got to go all in and troll the hell out of it!
So I totally agree! It would be hilarious! And the girls should be in on it too considering the joke would be all in the face of the hedonist gods that the SJW's pray to!
(Not that SWJ is a good term to be used for them considering it has nothing to do regarding justice, but at least its a term).
Polyamorist
12-13-18, 04:54
This is too funny! Where did we read about the SJW's complaining about how we measure women on these forums comparably to how farmers measure cows on the local farmers market now? A comparison so ridiculous and insane that we just got to go all in and troll the hell out of it!.Funny you should bring this up, as I was just brooding recently over how well agriculture is organized compared to prostitution. Every cow gets a fair milking, and none is milked to exhaustion. How strange our system of sex is then, where about 2% of our girls are in the brothels getting fucked ten times a day -- to the point where they are quite bored with it and have to fake orgasms -- while meanwhile there are many pretty young women going neurotic for want of sex, and many more just giving it away to lowlifes -- milk flowing down the drain, basically! If only the taboos and stigmas around sex could be eliminated, the system would be ten times better.
As for cards, I don't see why that is such a big deal, as I myself will give my own card out to girls when there is sympathy. I admit it doesn't include my measurements, but I don't like to blow my own trumpet -- I let the girls do that.
ExpatLover
12-13-18, 20:23
Funny you should bring this up, as I was just brooding recently over how well agriculture is organized compared to prostitution. Every cow gets a fair milking, and none is milked to exhaustion. How strange our system of sex is then, where about 2% of our girls are in the brothels getting fucked ten times a day -- to the point where they are quite bored with it and have to fake orgasms -- while meanwhile there are many pretty young women going neurotic for want of sex, and many more just giving it away to lowlifes -- milk flowing down the drain, basically! If only the taboos and stigmas around sex could be eliminated, the system would be ten times better.
As for cards, I don't see why that is such a big deal, as I myself will give my own card out to girls when there is sympathy. I admit it doesn't include my measurements, but I don't like to blow my own trumpet -- I let the girls do that.Sorry but the dream of most of the woman or girls is not to get fucked several times a day by any kind of guy.
Planning to Visit the Frankfurt FKK's after a long time. My Last Visit was not too impressed with the Line-Up in Sharks. Didn't attempt to go to OASE because of the Negative Talk about it being Sharky than ever before. So currently which place has more beautiful faces and is less sharky? Oase or Sharks?
Sebastiane
12-14-18, 13:54
Interesting -- I agree mixed-race girls are beautiful. Where did you meet this half-Saudi and half-Filipino girl? In Germany? How about the half-Persian?
Interesting -- I agree mixed-race girls are beautiful. Where did you meet this half-Saudi and half-Filipino girl? In Germany? How about the half-Persian?I met half Saudi and half Filipino Eurasian in manila at KTV called queens castle. And as for half Persians, I find them back home sometimes because Japan and Iran has good relation and many Iranian people came to work in Japan mostly as construction workers and had babies. However, no matter where you go, Eurasians are hard to find, but if you dig deep, they are there and indeed, many of them are really good mix and turn out to be truly beautiful.
As for German FKK, as I wrote before, I met one half Vietnamese and German girl in Artemis, I think in winter 2015. This girl was real beauty and new in the industry that she did not know what she was doing in room, so I had liberty to do what I wanted in room. However, she was the only Eurasian I saw in German FKK that I thought is beautiful. I enjoy other good mix in German FKK sometimes like half German half middle eastern etc. These mixes are also very beautiful and exotic.
ExpatLover
12-15-18, 06:17
I met half Saudi and half Filipino Eurasian in manila at KTV called queens castle. And as for half Persians, I find them back home sometimes because Japan and Iran has good relation and many Iranian people came to work in Japan mostly as construction workers and had babies. However, no matter where you go, Eurasians are hard to find, but if you dig deep, they are there and indeed, many of them are really good mix and turn out to be truly beautiful.
As for German FKK, as I wrote before, I met one half Vietnamese and German girl in Artemis, I think in winter 2015. This girl was real beauty and new in the industry that she did not know what she was doing in room, so I had liberty to do what I wanted in room. However, she was the only Eurasian I saw in German FKK that I thought is beautiful. I enjoy other good mix in German FKK sometimes like half German half middle eastern etc. These mixes are also very beautiful and exotic.Eurasian means Europe and Asia not Saudi, Iran, mostly impossible to find a real Eurasian girl in a club may be in some VIP escort agencies.
Jack of all trades are the essence of German FKK with heavy concentration on Romanians.
I would wish FKK will get more local German girls like it once used to, if not I hope Ukraine join EU or some other nations in eastern Europe will manage to join some kind of visa agreement to work in Germany.That may be what ends up happening. However I'm not sure if the living standards in all of Eastern Europe has caught up yet to stop the inflow. Plenty of new girls still keep arriving from what I can see in places like Oase.
Ultimately it's not just economics but on the micro-level the life-choices of a small set of the females in the countries in question. Keep in mind that there are still plenty of GERMAN girls that do work in these clubs for fair rates and with good service levels. The fact that that has not dried up is telling.
Just earned my TWO STARS! HOORAH!
That may be what ends up happening. However I'm not sure if the living standards in all of Eastern Europe has caught up yet to stop the inflow. Plenty of new girls still keep arriving from what I can see in places like Oase.
Ultimately it's not just economics but on the micro-level the life-choices of a small set of the females in the countries in question. Keep in mind that there are still plenty of GERMAN girls that do work in these clubs for fair rates and with good service levels. The fact that that has not dried up is telling.
Just earned my TWO STARS! HOORAH!Yes, what I also realized is the platform for girls to come and work in German FKK because it is not so easy to just move to foreign land to work in brothel, so girls need little push or support from behind for her to go all the way to Germany to work in FKK. This is not healthy culture because those platforms are pimps or lover boys or related group of people, but we monger have to realize that we do benefit from these guys as much as we benefit them. Synergy effect.
German girls? Where? Let me know LOL! Ok, only kidding, I know there still are some German girls, but much less than before and less prettier, but I guess line up is cycle, some year we mongers get lucky, some year we are not so lucky.
Talking again about platforms as I mentioned above paragraph. During Greek financial crisis, I was hoping some Greek girls will come and work in FKK, but contrary to my hope and expectation, I did not really find greek girls in FKK during that period and after, I met only one greek girl in FKK that was beautiful enough for me to session with, so I guess platform is important for girls to come and work in FKK and such platform was not really there in the nation like Greece, but there is such platform in nation like Romania. Let us hope there will be more and more of those platforms and I will be waiting till Ukrainian girls to come to German FKK soon or later if they can join EU or some visa agreement with EU.
ExpatLover
12-16-18, 00:20
That may be what ends up happening. However I'm not sure if the living standards in all of Eastern Europe has caught up yet to stop the inflow. Plenty of new girls still keep arriving from what I can see in places like Oase.
Ultimately it's not just economics but on the micro-level the life-choices of a small set of the females in the countries in question. Keep in mind that there are still plenty of GERMAN girls that do work in these clubs for fair rates and with good service levels. The fact that that has not dried up is telling.
Just earned my TWO STARS! HOORAH!Sorry but in which club can you find plenty of German girls? I just know some German girls in Shark, new girls arriving in Oase are not new girls in the business they are usually coming from other clubs or from Spain, Ireland.
Polyamorist
12-16-18, 03:13
Yes, what I also realized is the platform for girls to come and work in German FKK because it is not so easy to just move to foreign land to work in brothel, so girls need little push or support from behind for her to go all the way to Germany to work in FKK. This is not healthy culture because those platforms are pimps or lover boys or related group of people, but we monger have to realize that we do benefit from these guys as much as we benefit them. Synergy effect.The problem happens when the pimps tell the girls things like, "Don't kiss the customers," or "I am your true boyfriend so you have to give second-class sex to everybody else. " This is when the culture becomes really unhealthy, and I see too much of it in Europe lately, so that is why I, and I think some other mongers, are giving up on Europe and turning to places like South America -- where there are also lots of pimps, but at least they aren't so hostile to the regular guys.
I think the FKKs offered an alternative to this unhealthy culture in Europe for a decade, but they have been invaded and undermined by it over the past few years.
The problem happens when the pimps tell the girls things like, "Don't kiss the customers," or "I am your true boyfriend so you have to give second-class sex to everybody else. " This is when the culture becomes really unhealthy, and I see too much of it in Europe lately, so that is why I, and I think some other mongers, are giving up on Europe and turning to places like South America -- where there are also lots of pimps, but at least they aren't so hostile to the regular guys.
I think the FKKs offered an alternative to this unhealthy culture in Europe for a decade, but they have been invaded and undermined by it over the past few years.Yes, but I think it is more for business purposes, meaning they slice and cut each actions of sex as products to maximize their profitability.
Having said that, when they do this too much like they began doing recently, then some clients may just find alternative like Zurich because prices are becoming same if up sell get too extreme.
Either way, mongers got to do what we got to do and girls do have to make money, and I must say, so far, it has been partly mongers paranoia and service is OK after some negotiation. I have turn one hour session or longer session to 30 min 50 euro just bang hard cum session because some girls are asking too much just in their favor, but this is rare case and girls are still fair enough. Arguably LOL.
I want sex, I am willing to pay, girls just want money, that is why FKK is there for and that is why girls are in FKK to work, so both side of interest must be supported. If this is the case I am willing to pay up to some extent, which I called mild up selling.
However, some mongers seek for more than sex like some emotional feeling of some sort, this for the girls are most complicated clients and some of those clients has done some crazy things in FKK history like stalking, even murder few years ago. It is scary thing when some clients begin to make mistake about the purpose of FKK, it is sexual wonderland and not for relationship or emotional connections with girls who are working there.
In closing, I do know that there are some cases where some clients married FKK girls, so I guess it is each their own too, but I do think that there are pimps and loverboys who makes bases for the business model in FKK, so it is not just girls we are dealing with, but we also deal with pimps and loverboys indirectly.
When we dig deep, it is little bit funny to realize what kind of funny food chain we are involving in being mongers LOL!. Happy hunting!
ExpatLover
12-16-18, 08:00
The problem happens when the pimps tell the girls things like, "Don't kiss the customers," or "I am your true boyfriend so you have to give second-class sex to everybody else. " This is when the culture becomes really unhealthy, and I see too much of it in Europe lately, so that is why I, and I think some other mongers, are giving up on Europe and turning to places like South America -- where there are also lots of pimps, but at least they aren't so hostile to the regular guys.
I think the FKKs offered an alternative to this unhealthy culture in Europe for a decade, but they have been invaded and undermined by it over the past few years.But is it not healthy that the girls who are obliged to sell her body for any reason make differences between a customer and her BF even he is a pimp. With a prostitute you don t buy love you just buy sex, most of us are more frustrated after leaving the room than before. FKK, escorts. Were a big addiction for me for more than 10 years, since 2 years I drastically reduced my visits to club or escorts and I am also extremely selective, at the end of the end now my life is far better, I am saving a lot of cash and less sex means for me far better sex.
Was with a WG recently who asked me out of the blue, "Are you an artist?
I thought it was odd, I gave her no indication that I was.
She told me she thought to ask it because we'd been having sex for awhile. Is this a thing?
I love these little international things I pick up. The last time this happened a girl at another FKK chided me, "geile sau. ".
The problem happens when the pimps tell the girls things like, "Don't kiss the customers," or "I am your true boyfriend so you have to give second-class sex to everybody else. " This is when the culture becomes really unhealthy, and I see too much of it in Europe lately, so that is why I, and I think some other mongers, are giving up on Europe and turning to places like South America -- where there are also lots of pimps, but at least they aren't so hostile to the regular guys.
I think the FKKs offered an alternative to this unhealthy culture in Europe for a decade, but they have been invaded and undermined by it over the past few years.I would call it the Romanian or East European Culture, I have a blast with gorgeous Latina in Spain and did have a great session with Gabi in Oase.
Polyamorist
12-17-18, 02:46
I would call it the Romanian or East European Culture, I have a blast with gorgeous Latina in Spain and did have a great session with Gabi in Oase.Salaam ShooBree. I love Latinas too, but if they need help to get to Europe, they can also end up under the yoke of pimps. I came across a Brazilian (Goianian) girl in the Algarve, and a Colombian girl in Andalusia, and I was expecting really steamy sessions from both of them, but it turned out they were under control and turned down kissing and were generally a bit disappointing. By contrast the local Spanish girls were surprisingly hot, and I believe it is because they had no loverboys to tell them what to do. Also I met a great Cuban girl in Freiburg, and she was clearly independent and could really enjoy things and give her all. So the moral of the story is it's not about race or nationality but whether the girl is a true freelancer or not.
I think this is multisided coin. Many girls take the initial stance of holding back. But if you are able to make chemistry happen, it is possible with many girls to get more than her standard routine. Unfortunately some girls are more routine oriented than others, so it gets fragmented. And some clubs have more groups of girls forcing more upselling and withholding of things they do for standard rate than other clubs. Partly due to the base rate being so stagnant for many years, and we are facing the downside of the girls doing this as a silent protest. Simillair to the french yellow vests. It is a pan profession working class thing in Europe.
I think this is multisided coin. Many girls take the initial stance of holding back. But if you are able to make chemistry happen, it is possible with many girls to get more than her standard routine. Unfortunately some girls are more routine oriented than others, so it gets fragmented. And some clubs have more groups of girls forcing more upselling and withholding of things they do for standard rate than other clubs. Partly due to the base rate being so stagnant for many years, and we are facing the downside of the girls doing this as a silent protest. Simillair to the french yellow vests. It is a pan profession working class thing in Europe.Part of it may also be linked to the fine print in the July 2017 regulation. I'm sure most ladies aren't aware of all that is contained in the regulation but they have figured out some things and in some clubs it's become more of a movement. They also seem to be playing with the financial tolerance of the men. When men come from prostitution economies where the rate is €300-500 per hour they seem to be more likely to accept €200 per hour in a German club. This sucks for men like me who are used to local prices but it is happening. I don't mind if a lady withholds certain services as long as they are withheld upfront before I'm in the room. When it happens in the room it's like anti-Viagra.
I hope the WGs don't take it too far and start wearing yellow vests.
Hi guys,
I'm quite new to FKK land, so my question to all you out there.
I met a girl in a FKK club, the sex feeling with her is ultimate great, but her real look, charakter, attitude and educations are just not my type.
I'm not sure if the girl is in real love with me or just business?
We had 30 hours or more room- hours experience with all kind of VIP services. (including AO).
(Payment just the standard room rate without any extras).
And we had been doing 10+ outside dates without payments.
She wants visit my home, but I'm not sure about this yet.
Does people had same experience before?
Polyamorist
12-17-18, 20:06
Partly due to the base rate being so stagnant for many years, and we are facing the downside of the girls doing this as a silent protest. Simillair to the french yellow vests. It is a pan profession working class thing in Europe.That Colombian I was talking about, she was 20 and newly arrived in Spain. To say she was motivated by a working-class consciousness of stagnant European rates a la Bertolt Brecht would be a bit of a stretch. It is much more likely that her reserve was influenced by the swaggering pimp downstairs. When you can clearly see cartoon characters like this in the immediate environment, it's easier to imagine what's going on: that the guy claimed the prettiest girl in the casa as his special girlfriend, that he told her to give limited services to customers, and so on.
By contrast in Germany the pimps are compelled to stay in the background much more. "What's out of sight is out of mind" -- consequently, it's easy for frequent FKK'ers to vastly underestimate the role that the "handlers" play. And this can be insidious when mongers are being deceived (like poor Bonsai below).
In Switzerland there is also an FKK scene, but laws and enforcement are more relaxed, so in smaller FKKs you see the pimp phenomenon re-emerge. For instance there is one FKK called El Harem with a lot of Brazilian girls, and the owner seems to literally treat the place as his private harem, just renting out the girls to customers occasionally -- again, no surprise that they offer more reserved services to customers than you would normally expect from Brazilians. And I know at least two other Swiss FKKs that work that way too.
I mention this because to my mind it is not the way the FKK concept is supposed to work, and it seems like a retrogression to brothel days.
In particular my heart bleeds for German youths who are being trained up to think Second-Class Sex is the norm. On one side you have the pimps telling the girls not to kiss and keeping them rigidly under control, while on the other side the German government is mandating things like the merkel-BJ and spreading scare stories about disease, and everybody is trying to strangulate sex and squeeze the fun out of it.
BigBuddy69
12-17-18, 20:12
Simillair to the french yellow vests. It is a pan profession working class thing in Europe.You can't compare people who're making between 900 and 1300 euros a month in France (50 € a day for some) to women who are paid 50 € for half an hour, that's not realistic.
Steve 9696
12-17-18, 22:31
Just met a great kisser in New Zealand and it made me think how few and far between they are. Of the 25-30 ladies I've engaged in DFK this year, I would only class 6 of them as really great kissers. So maybe 20% and the others are solid OK or meh.
Is that your experience also? Low percentage of really great DFK?
My sample is from Brazil (2), China (1), Japan (1), USA (1), Germany (1), UK, New Zealand / Australia (1).
And only 2 who I would pay exclusively to kiss — Thifany Brazil and Bella NZ. Yes that good.
Hi guys,
I'm quite new to FKK land, so my question to all you out there.
I met a girl in a FKK club, the sex feeling with her is ultimate great, but her real look, charakter, attitude and educations are just not my type.
I'm not sure if the girl is in real love with me or just business?
We had 30 hours or more room- hours experience with all kind of VIP services. (including AO).
(Payment just the standard room rate without any extras).
And we had been doing 10+ outside dates without payments.
She wants visit my home, but I'm not sure about this yet.
Does people had same experience before?It might be a trap, but if you enjoyed it, give it a try and let us know what happened.
You Only Live Once!
Hi guys,
I'm quite new to FKK land, so my question to all you out there.
I met a girl in a FKK club, the sex feeling with her is ultimate great, but her real look, charakter, attitude and educations are just not my type.It sucks because your post also indicates that you are enjoying some of her attributes. Three options I see: stay the current course, tell her it's never going to be serious between you and her, just disappear from that scene.
You say here that the sex is crazy good but her real looks and character, attitude and education are just not your type. That statement should be all of the answer you need to lead you to option two or three, both of which result in an upset woman and an end to the crazy good sex with this woman.
The last line of your post makes me think that you're struggling with a different question, can things between you and her work out? If that's your question my answer is it's possible but the odds are against you. You fight the cultural differences between countries and you fight the cultural differences between your regular life and her work life. This is a huge stack against you.
My last advice comes from personal experience.
No matter how well I thought I knew a WG it always came down to money and help. As soon as they knew the cries for help no longer resulted in increased cash flow her interest in me lessened. If it was my son asking I would say a better question would be, where can I find more women who provide this type service. Then go and try ten or twenty.
Member #4636
12-18-18, 06:30
Hi guys,
I'm quite new to FKK land, so my question to all you out there.
I met a girl in a FKK club, the sex feeling with her is ultimate great, but her real look, charakter, attitude and educations are just not my type.
I'm not sure if the girl is in real love with me or just business?
We had 30 hours or more room- hours experience with all kind of VIP services. (including AO).
(Payment just the standard room rate without any extras).
And we had been doing 10+ outside dates without payments.
She wants visit my home, but I'm not sure about this yet.
Does people had same experience before?If she is not your type why do you move it further to a relationship?
If you doubt just do with her what you would do with a normal girl and not a prostitute to see the true colors.
You can't compare people who're making between 900 and 1300 euros a month in France (50 a day for some) to women who are paid 50 for half an hour, that's not realistic.Well I just did, so apparently I can.
The top 30-40% of the girls ruled out, and you still have a 60-70% majority of girls who not only has to pay entry fees (although I know a few clubs have some rules around this), housing (rooms in the clubs is usually 25 e a night), and at 3rd room they start making money. If they have a slow day with just 1, or even 2 rooms in some clubs, they loose money. And since movements and unions are normally run by the majority, the minority who reeks in 10 000 a month is not considered. The bottom 10-20% in some clubs probably make as little as 500 euro a month after expenses. It is a result of the idea of the free market which is uncapped on the number of girls and clubs.
This is why I fully support one of the new regulations which wants to have a maximum amount of clubs within one area. And also, the bigger the clubs, the better the economics of scale as long as there is competition. At least in theory. Too bad reality shows large clubs abusing market position instead.
If you have too many girls competing for the same amount of money in the total unchanged moneypie, you get social dumping as a result. Simillair to what the french working class experience.
Financial theory baffles me in a way that it allways seems to forget about time spent waiting. It considers a service to be a type of good +time spent on the good. But it is not. A service is a type of good +time spent on the good +time spent between the time spent on the good. Basically we are paying extra for the time the girls waste between their sessions. And as this time increase, the moral falls, and social dumping happens. I believe this misshap from the economists are either a result of political will (economics is nothibg more than a social science), or a lack of real life understanding outside of white collar office and universities. Or a combination of both.
Reduce the number of girls in this profession with a cap on private prostitute licenses, and this time between sessions should fall. Thus increasing their wages instead of increasing the price. Also known as a regulated industry. The absense of this, also known as an unregulated industry is what we call lazzies faire capitalism, and it doesn't work. It creates social dumping and riots (yellow vests).
Hopefully the feminists wouldn't ruin idea of licenses by handing out prostitute licenses to 50 year old women with 40% bodyfat, while saying women shouldn't be meassured by their looks. And call this equality. Then that could dramatically affect the total money pie, because men would rather jerk of to porn instead of paying for sex then. But it is a looming danger that could happen when licenses are handed out centrally, and if the cap would be too small so that even the whales would make a good living from it.
That is why I sometines have hyped the girls who I like. Because I hate to see my favourites sit around twinning thumbs between their sessions. The time between their time spent in the room should preferably be as short as possible. Something akin to Mandy at sharks, or Lucy wherever she is now (babylon els perhaps). And that makes them stay around. Because I think they make very good money even if the 30 min price is just 50 e. But at some clubs I see my favourites sit around too much without making much. Oceans and Wellcum top girls perhaps especially. Wellcum having the provlem of veing out in the middle of nowhere even if it is tge top european FKK these days in average. But also Madalina at Samya for example in the past, and random other girls.
It might be a trap, but if you enjoyed it, give it a try and let us know what happened.
You Only Live Once!What kind of trap that can be?
Could you tell all or at least some options?
Taking home is no option, so that not going to happened.
All I want is continue to have this great sex.
Just met a great kisser in New Zealand and it made me think how few and far between they are. Of the 25-30 ladies I've engaged in DFK this year, I would only class 6 of them as really great kissers. So maybe 20% and the others are solid OK or meh.
Is that your experience also? Low percentage of really great DFK?
My sample is from Brazil (2), China (1), Japan (1), USA (1), Germany (1), UK, New Zealand / Australia (1).
And only 2 who I would pay exclusively to kiss Thifany Brazil and Bella NZ. Yes that good.6 great kisser out of 30 ladies are just great!
From my 100 ladies (real GF, escorts, sugarbabes, lovers, FKK ladies, and all others).
Were just 2 really great kisser!
Bonsai. This is a very very common story, usually leading towards a big scam. Some girls play a long game. BUT there are exceptions and this girl could be one. If you have had ten meetings outside clubs for free then she is either a mistress of the long game or really likes you. So I would suggest that you assess the risks carefully (what could go wrong if she visits you, in terms of theft, bank accounts, allegations of crime, allegations of being the father of a child, and so on) and then as Jmioffe says, test it out.
Several guys from the forum have ended up in relationships with working girls, so you are not alone. I myself ended up in a situation where the girl was genuine, no scamming, but, as I was married, and she knew my wife, she had to call a halt to her inclinations.
Good luck. Let us know how it goes.
It sucks because your post also indicates that you are enjoying some of her attributes. Three options I see: stay the current course, tell her it's never going to be serious between you and her, just disappear from that scene.
You say here that the sex is crazy good but her real looks and character, attitude and education are just not your type. That statement should be all of the answer you need to lead you to option two or three, both of which result in an upset woman and an end to the crazy good sex with this woman.
The last line of your post makes me think that you're struggling with a different question, can things between you and her work out? If that's your question my answer is it's possible but the odds are against you. You fight the cultural differences between countries and you fight the cultural differences between your regular life and her work life. This is a huge stack against you..Your option 1: will lead to an end soon or later.
Option 2: will lead to an end very soon.
Option 3: don't want give up this.
I personally totally like this girl, but like you said, "the odds are against me, or the odds are against our relation."
Different culture, my position, my big family community, her past, her job and so on.
Actually I like to know, if anyone had anything like this before and how its ended.
Bonsai. This is a very very common story, usually leading towards a big scam. Some girls play a long game. BUT there are exceptions and this girl could be one. If you have had ten meetings outside clubs for free then she is either a mistress of the long game or really likes you. So I would suggest that you assess the risks carefully (what could go wrong if she visits you, in terms of theft, bank accounts, allegations of crime, allegations of being the father of a child, and so on) and then as Jmioffe says, test it out.
Several guys from the forum have ended up in relationships with working girls, so you are not alone. I myself ended up in a situation where the girl was genuine, no scamming, but, as I was married, and she knew my wife, she had to call a halt to her inclinations.
Good luck. Let us know how it goes.Hi Optimist,
When you started the relationship, did the girl already know your married? Or she find out later?
And how she "call halt her inclinations" ?
How it ended up? You still go with that girl?
Good or bad ending?
Member #4636
12-18-18, 21:54
If you have had ten meetings outside clubs for free then she is either a mistress of the long game or really likes you. s.This is the part that really surprises me. I mean 1 or two times would be OK to play the mistress role but 10 times meeting without asking money well I think she likes you lucky man. I would take her home in your place. But I think you are afraid that if you deny to take her home she will no more want to have great sex with you so you are in a dilemma?
I read this forum rarely, mostly when going to post after a trip. And even more rarely I read this chat and lounge area, so I apologize for intruding here with my not aligned opinions. I notice discussions about money and girls are recurrent and I would like to express my observations.
The very most of the guys writing here and going to these clubs are evidently wealthy people, happy to splash hundreds of euros in extras, hours in the room (I guess mostly just talking) and being happy with the little service these plastified squeamish princesses bother to provide.
All the philosophy and social and economics "studies" provided here seem to come from aliens leaving in another world. Do you know how much is the salary that most of people earn in Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, etc. ? I am sure I don't go wrong saying 1000 euros a month is already good. And I'm talking of western Europe!
Do you know that an average salary in Romania is less than 200 euros a month? That romanian banks offer you loans to buy anything (a tv, a mobile, whatever) which can even cost less than 100 euros that you will pay back with even less than 5 euros a month for years?
That in 2014 in little markets of locals among Bucharest blocks (not supermarket chains, but now prices might have changed in the most expensive city of the country) you had to buy fruits, vegetables and other food by kgs, because the price was 1 leu (per kg!), and you could not buy just 1 apple or 0,5 kg of apples otherwise the peasant should have even had to give money to you along with your fruit!
That Romania is richer than Bulgaria?
What those girls earn in one month, their fathers earn in several years! If they earn even only 500 euros a day (which on this board seem to be less than what someone working in a western call center earns in one month), even deducting the entrance and some other bullshit you might want to take into account, that's a lot of money even for the very most of people in Germany, in England, in America, wherever on earth.
Imagine what that sum means to a girl coming from a country where she would be happy to earn 4 euros a day!
I had a girlfriend in Bucharest working for an insurance company earning 70 euros a month (and rounding up with our favourite job).
If you guys writing here are all managers, doctors, lawyers, ok, you live in another world wherever you come from, but please stop feeling woe for these "poor" girls!
Travel to their countryside homes to see what it means to leave without running water, the toilet being a hole digged in the garden / nearby meadow, some even without electricity etc. Then count the money in their wallet at the end of the day, and realize what it means!
Or take a look at the cars of their boyfriends!
I would give my ass away if I could earn in one day more than 100 times what I earn in one day of my job! With more enthusiasm than these girls show. And I would have to do it against nature, while a girl going with a man, even if he is old fat etc, doesn't go against nature!
So... If among you there are sultans interested in my ass... Or if any of you rich good hearted philanthropists is interested in helping me instead of (or along with) these "poor" girls, I will be more than happy to give my bank details.
Thanks in advance :-D
I read this forum rarely, mostly when going to post after a trip. And even more rarely I read this chat and lounge area, so I apologize for intruding here with my not aligned opinions. I notice discussions about money and girls are recurrent and I would like to express my observations.
The very most of the guys writing here and going to these clubs are evidently wealthy people, happy to splash hundreds of euros in extras, hours in the room (I guess mostly just talking) and being happy with the little service these plastified squeamish princesses bother to provide.
All the philosophy and social and economics "studies" provided here seem to come from aliens leaving in another world. Do you know how much is the salary that most of people earn in Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, etc. ? I am sure I don't go wrong saying 1000 euros a month is already good. And I'm talking of western Europe!
Do you know that an average salary in Romania is less than 200 euros a month? That romanian banks offer you loans to buy anything (a tv, a mobile, whatever) which can even cost less than 100 euros that you will pay back with even less than 5 euros a month for years?
That in 2014 in little markets of locals among Bucharest blocks (not supermarket chains, but now prices might have changed in the most expensive city of the country) you had to buy fruits, vegetables and other food by kgs, because the price was 1 leu (per kg!), and you could not buy just 1 apple or 0,5 kg of apples otherwise the peasant should have even had to give money to you along with your fruit!
That Romania is richer than Bulgaria?
What those girls earn in one month, their fathers earn in several years! If they earn even only 500 euros a day (which on this board seem to be less than what someone working in a western call center earns in one month), even deducting the entrance and some other bullshit you might want to take into account, that's a lot of money even for the very most of people in Germany, in England, in America, wherever on earth.
Imagine what that sum means to a girl coming from a country where she would be happy to earn 4 euros a day!
I had a girlfriend in Bucharest working for an insurance company earning 70 euros a month (and rounding up with our favourite job).
If you guys writing here are all managers, doctors, lawyers, ok, you live in another world wherever you come from, but please stop feeling woe for these "poor" girls!
Travel to their countryside homes to see what it means to leave without running water, the toilet being a hole digged in the garden / nearby meadow, some even without electricity etc. Then count the money in their wallet at the end of the day, and realize what it means!
Or take a look at the cars of their boyfriends!
I would give my ass away if I could earn in one day more than 100 times what I earn in one day of my job! With more enthusiasm than these girls show. And I would have to do it against nature, while a girl going with a man, even if he is old fat etc, doesn't go against nature!
So... If among you there are sultans interested in my ass... Or if any of you rich good hearted philanthropists is interested in helping me instead of (or along with) these "poor" girls, I will be more than happy to give my bank details.
Thanks in advance :-D+100.
A lot of truth written here. I keep what I pay to a minimum here, but this post puts it into perspective.
Nevertheless the girls live here in Germany and pay taxes, have to pay rent and living expenses on the German level, not to mention entry to the clubs upwards of 100 euros a day. It's one thing if one were paying these prices directly in Romania, another if the person is resident here. Second point is that prostitution is a "job" that a minority of women would choose given what it requires for the average woman. I have no reason to doubt however that plenty of the girls do not break even on a given day in the clubs, and are desperate from time to time. It's not necessarily that every girl in the clubs makes massive amounts of disposable income that they then lavish on their pimps, family, selves etc....
Nevertheless, I'll be the first to agree with you that plenty of these "women" are greedy and that unfortunately far too many of the members on here overpay all the time. For those, fine, they overspend because some of them are wealthy. However definitely most of the guys going to the FKKs are not wealthy people at all, the locals for instance, and just go to have a few hours of fun from time to time.
Steve 9696
12-19-18, 00:09
+100.
A lot of truth written here. I keep what I pay to a minimum here, but this post puts it into perspective.
Nevertheless the girls live here in Germany and pay taxes, have to pay rent and living expenses on the German level. It's one thing if one were paying these prices directly in Romania, another if the person is resident here. Second point is that prostitution is a "job" that a minority of women would choose given what it requires for the average woman.
Nevertheless, I'll be the first to agree with you that plenty of these "women" are greedy and that unfortunately far too many of the members on here overpay all the time.Agree that it's interesting to understand the economics of poorer economies and these girls no doubt can live like rockstars back home. Fact is they are kinda rockstars. Top looks are something we as the world pay a premium for because they are rare. But the real discussion is the economics of the club.
I am not sure a bunch of guys are "overpaying". They are paying what is right for them. And other guys pay what is right for them. And they are not the same. Classic price discrimination at its finest.
In any negotiation the key is having something of value to give the other party and having the ability to walk away. I have very little to offer her besides money and being a really nice guy. Perhaps 1 in 20 girls will appeal to me. And I am in town for 1-3 days. So my ability to walk away is close to zero chances of ending up with a goose egg during those few days are high. So my ability to negotiate is low.
Another factor is worldwide perspective. Those who go worldwide know that pussy can cost a whole lot more than FKK and so even a "high" FKK price is low or reasonable depending on what you are used to.
Finally the other factor is of course budget (not necessarily income). If you have a large budget for this, then 50 here or there is not too relevant compared to walking away and having a date with your hand back at the hotel.
An actual example of this, where the Artemis regulars want to flame me, is paying 160 a half hour with Salome. She was drop dead gorgeous, the only girl out of twenty and dropping that appealed to me. And she would not budge off 160. Would I have paid this at Sharks? No way. I could have walked and found another better priced girl that I was equally happy with, plus that would be an outrageous price at Sharks. But at that club (monopoly), at that time, this was the price for the only girl available (for me). Was it worth it? For me it was. It was a top notch experience and didnt put a dent in my yearly budget.
I honestly think the market is pretty efficient and the girls charge what they can, which is different for every customer depending on how broad their taste, how often they get out of Pussy Prison and how much they budget for this.
This is my perspective. Flame away.
P.S. My impression on ISG is not that of the original poster and I am on here daily in 10 or so of my favorite rooms. IMO the majority of guys are NOT well off but of rather average means. Compared say to Captain69, which now officially sucks but guys don't balk at $500+ an hour there.
Agree that it's interesting to understand the economics of poorer economies and these girls no doubt can live like rockstars back home. Fact is they are kinda rockstars top looks are something we as the world pay a premium for because they are rare. But the real discussion is the economics of the club.
I am not sure a bunch of guys are "overpaying". They are paying what is right for them. And other guys pay what is right for them. And they are not the same. Classic price discrimination at its finest.
In any negotiation the key is having something of value to give the other party and having the ability to walk away. I have very little to offer her besides money and being a really nice guy. Perhaps 1 in 20 girls will appeal to me. And I am in town for 1-3 days. So my ability to walk away is close to zero chances of ending up with a goose egg during those few days are high. So my ability to negotiate is low.
Another factor is worldwide perspective. Those who go worldwide know that pussy can cost a whole lot more than FKK and so even a "high" FKK price is low or reasonable depending on what you are used to.
Finally the other factor is of course budget (not necessarily income). If you have a large budget for this, then 50 here or there is not too relevant compared to walking away and having a date with your hand back at the hotel.
I honestly think the market is pretty efficient and the girls charge what they can, which is different for every customer depending on how broad their taste, how often they get out of Pussy Prison and how much they budget for this.
This is my perspective. Flame away.
P.S. My impression on ISG is not that of the original poster and I am on here daily in 10 or so of my favorite rooms. IMO the majority of guys are NOT well off but of rather average means. Compared say to Captain69, which now officially sucks but guys don't balk at $500+ an hour there.
Thank you for the invitation, I shall flame away.
Absolutely sure they are "overpaying", given that they are comparing the prices here to somewhere where prostitution is illegal and living expenses are higher.
Standard: 100 for 1 hour 50 for 30 minutes, extras negociated with perhaps only 1 hour including all of them (which I personally consider a bad deal but fine for people that like 1 hour rooms).
If you're paying more, you're overpaying, period. Plenty of local guys here are trying to make an honest living here while these "women" (and then their lazy compatriots who then follow them based on stories of suckers that fall for it) think they can make 100 euros for 15 minutes of work, large chunks oftentimes going to their good-for-nothing bastard pimp Romanian "boyfriends". Don't kid yourself.
Whether it's "right" for the individual is completely irrelevant, the worldwide perspective is irrelevant. What is relevant are the standard prices here. Plenty of customers are being milked and can't say no because of a mix of cartelisation and momentary attraction / fixtures. If people wish to pay escort-level prices, I would suggest they just stay in their hotel and order one, rather than drive them up the prices here because the girls think they can get away with upwards of 200 per hour and 100 for half an hour.
Price of pussy elsewhere? Not that it matters, but say we're talking about the prices locals pay in Eastern Europe or SE Asia. Using that yardstick is relative. Why pay more, why pay less? Because your living standards have gone up, because you're feeling generous and feel like wasting it on these people, before she then bangs another guy later for half the price (particularly on a slower day or outside of the club)?
Steve 9696
12-19-18, 00:57
Thank you for the invitation, I shall flame away.
Absolutely sure they are "overpaying", given that they are comparing the prices here to somewhere where prostitution is illegal and living expenses are higher.
Standard: 100 for 1 hour 50 for 30 minutes, extras negociated with perhaps only 1 hour including all of them (which I personally consider a bad deal but fine for people that like 1 hour rooms).
If you're paying more, you're overpaying, period. Plenty of local guys here are trying to make an honest living here while these "women" (and then their lazy compatriots who then follow them based on stories of suckers that fall for it) think they can make 100 euros for 15 minutes of work, large chunks oftentimes going to their good-for-nothing bastard pimp Romanian "boyfriends". Don't kid yourself.
Whether it's "right" for the individual is completely irrelevant, the worldwide perspective is irrelevant. What is relevant are the standard prices here. Plenty of customers are being milked and can't say no because of a mix of cartelisation and momentary attraction / fixtures. If people wish to pay escort-level prices, I would suggest they just stay in their hotel and order one, rather than drive them up the prices here because the girls think they can get away with upwards of 200 per hour and 100 for half an hour.
Price of pussy elsewhere? Not that it matters, but say we're talking about the prices locals pay in Eastern Europe or SE Asia. Using that yardstick is relative. Why pay more, why pay less? Because your living standards have gone up, because you're feeling generous and feel like wasting it on these people, before she then bangs another guy later for half the price (particularly on a slower day or outside of the club)?The escort suggestion would work if the point was purely sex. And in some locales that is the best option. But the allure of Germany is the FKK EXPERIENCE, which doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. So for those of us that might get to an FKK once a year if lucky, with narrow taste do? Just walk away to keep the price down for others?
The escort suggestion would work if the point was purely sex. And in some locales that is the best option. But the allure of Germany is the FKK EXPERIENCE, which doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. So for those of us that might get to an FKK once a year if lucky, with narrow taste do? Just walk away to keep the price down for others?Walking away from rip-off deals is not the same as walking away from the FKK experience altogether. There are plenty of good service providers in these clubs.
But fine, I get your point about the narrow tastes when one isn't here for an extended period of time.
Steve 9696
12-19-18, 01:08
Walking away from rip-off deals is not the same as walking away from the FKK experience altogether. There are plenty of good service providers in these clubs.
But fine, I get your point about the narrow tastes when one isn't here for an extended period of time.OK, out of respect for you Lathano (and I mean that — I read you and KK assiduously) I will try to walk from the next high priced offer and take my chances. But if I end up beating off I will hunt you down in the RLD! 😀.
Steve 9696
12-19-18, 03:19
Whether it's "right" for the individual is completely irrelevant, the worldwide perspective is irrelevant.Have to respectfully disagree with this. Ultimately the buyer is setting the price, because he is accepting the price offered / negotiated. So the price is what the buyer accepts. And you would like buyers to only accept lower prices thus lowering the price. I get that.
But buyers make decisions based on the value in their context. And in Japan, China, and the US, top quality pussy is especially expensive. So it is probably those guys you notice "overpaying" most. They make the decision in the context of their world. Guys with daily access to FKK don't know how lucky they are. But you will see below you are blessed.
For reference, here is what I've paid for top girls by geography over the past two years (Some are an average of a few girls). These include kissing and BBBJ. . Not saying these are standard, but rather what I've paid. If a club or barfine experience is involved I list drinks and or room cost that are part of the experience.
Locale. Format. Girl $ + Bar tab / room etc $ = total damage.
USA. Incall. $400/ hour + $0 = $400.
Brazil. Boate nightclub. $150/ HR. + $150 = $300.
London. Incall. $250/ HR. + $0= $250.
Spain. Brothel. $230/ HR inclusive = $230.
Moscow. Strip Club. $120/ HR + $250 = $370.
Thailand. Outcall. $80ST+ $80= $160.
Shanghai. Outcall. $220ST +$30 = $250.
Tokyo. Incall. $330/ HR + $50 = $380.
Nz / Aust. Brothel. $350/ HR inclusive = $350/ HR.
So even an expensive FKK experience is a good value ina worldwide context.
Not saying who is right or wrong but hopefully gives you some perspective from the "overpayer" side of the fence.
Have to respectfully disagree with this. Ultimately the buyer is setting the price, because he is accepting the price offered / negotiated. So the price is what the buyer accepts. And you would like buyers to only accept lower prices thus lowering the price. I get that.
But buyers make decisions based on the value in their context. And in Japan, China, and the US, top quality pussy is especially expensive. So it is probably those guys you notice "overpaying" most. They make the decision in the context of their world. Guys with daily access to FKK don't know how lucky they are. But you will see below you are blessed.
For reference, here is what I've paid for top girls by geography over the past two years (Some are an average of a few girls). These include kissing and BBBJ. . Not saying these are standard, but rather what I've paid. If a club or barfine experience is involved I list drinks and or room cost that are part of the experience.
Locale. Format. Girl $ + Bar tab / room etc $ = total damage..This is like saying in New York City they charge $35 for a burger and fries. When I go to Texas, a burger and fries is normally $5 but it's cool with me if they see my New York license plate and bump the price up to $15. From a local perspective it might be humorous a couple times until they walk in and get their burger and fries and when the check arrives they suddenly owe $10 instead of the expected $5.
Having a few fly in friends, I always try to help them control that urge to pay whatever the first beauty asks. These guys can be sitting on a €15 k budget for 7-10 days because they have saved up for a year. I find with them it's sometimes better to drag them to the fringe sauna clubs with a bit lower optics but more inclusive service to start the trip. Then work our way back toward the higher optics and more upsell oriented clubs about half way thru the trip. Some, after one or two days in upsell land, push to return to the less hassle clubs with higher level service included in the basic price.
All the philosophy and social and economics "studies" provided here seem to come from aliens leaving in another world. Do you know how much is the salary that most of people earn in Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, etc. ? I am sure I don't go wrong saying 1000 euros a month is already good. And I'm talking of western Europe!I take this as if you replied to my post here. But given your comment regarding 500 euro a day, I think you might want to reread my post again. I wrote 500 euro a month. And that is not much when living in Germany with the expenses there. Even if they live and eat at the club, I am sure all the girls do venture outside some days and spend some money on makeup, flight back to romania etc etc. It is still more than a standard job in romania, but just maybe twice the amount. And that does not include the lack of living away from home. Now ofcourse this is only so for the least earning girls. Some other girls can make alot more money as I already mentionned.
You are right regarding many posters here plashing a hell of alot of money. But then again that does in a way make it cheaper for the rest of us.
OK, out of respect for you Lathano (and I mean that I read you and KK assiduously) I will try to walk from the next high priced offer and take my chances. But if I end up beating off I will hunt you down in the RLD! 😀.The way I see it, there are several ways to tackle upsellers. The best way is to tell her that you will make a second room with her if the first one is good. And do it also! Otherwise the girls in the club will give you a bad reputation. And you don't want that.
A second way is taking the 1 h hour option if she includes one more extra as a bundle deal. Or even negotiating a 45 minute session.
But paying double price for the same thing just screams scam. And you don't want to do this because.
1. It means the girl doesn't really like you, and you don't want to pay a girl who doesn't even like you. Neighter do you want to bed her no matter her looks! Have some dignity! And.
2. It is unfair to the other girls who does not ask for double price. Why would you pay them even less? Would you give one of your son's a car as a birthday present, but the second son would just get a coffecup?
The very instant people agree to unreasonable upselling, the pandora's box is open. That is why I would much rather see an across the board 10 e price hike in Germany (except artemis and hamburg), which is fair to everyone. And also cap the number of girls in a club. At a reasonable level ofcourse. And rather have the clubs pose military level demands on the girls working there. For example a minimum and maximum of bodyfat percentage and height to weight ratio combination. With only high optics as a way around this! And maybe a running demand to test stamina (LOL). All military personell needs to do this, so it is not expecting too much. Even professional horse jockeys have requirements like this, and that is extremely relevant considering the riding. Hirr!
Have to respectfully disagree with this. Ultimately the buyer is setting the price, because he is accepting the price offered / negotiated. So the price is what the buyer accepts. And you would like buyers to only accept lower prices thus lowering the price. I get that.
But buyers make decisions based on the value in their context. And in Japan, China, and the US, top quality pussy is especially expensive. So it is probably those guys you notice "overpaying" most. They make the decision in the context of their world. Guys with daily access to FKK don't know how lucky they are. But you will see below you are blessed.
For reference, here is what I've paid for top girls by geography over the past two years (Some are an average of a few girls). These include kissing and BBBJ. . Not saying these are standard, but rather what I've paid. If a club or barfine experience is involved I list drinks and or room cost that are part of the experience.
Locale. Format. Girl $ + Bar tab / room etc $ = total damage.
USA. Incall. $400/ hour + $0 = $400.
Brazil. Boate nightclub. $150/ HR. + $150 = $300.
London. Incall. $250/ HR. + $0= $250.
Spain. Brothel. $230/ HR inclusive = $230.
Moscow. Strip Club. $120/ HR + $250 = $370.
Thailand. Outcall. $80ST+ $80= $160.
Shanghai. Outcall. $220ST +$30 = $250.
Tokyo. Incall. $330/ HR + $50 = $380.
Nz / Aust. Brothel. $350/ HR inclusive = $350/ HR.
So even an expensive FKK experience is a good value ina worldwide context.
Not saying who is right or wrong but hopefully gives you some perspective from the "overpayer" side of the fence.Isn't there a saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans do"? Doesn't following that principle helps tourists to experience a new country better and prevents from being ripped off?
Member #4636
12-19-18, 06:41
So... If among you there are sultans interested in my ass... Or if any of you rich good hearted philanthropists is interested in helping me instead of (or along with) these "poor" girls, I will be more than happy to give my bank details.
Thanks in advance.I agree with what you say. But keep in mind these girls when they come to work in Germany they just forget where they come from (in financial terms) and they just compare with common market prices in Germany or other countries. In my country an hour with a stunner and a great service including everything would be max 200 / hour, They don't charge silly prices like 100 for anal or 50 extra for CIM, those charges are much lower. In other countries like Italy, America, England or Holland prices might be similar to FKK.
So if I go to a concert in a country where concerts are cheap I should pay 50 per cent over the normal price because in my home country it is more expensive?
I prefer to act according to local culture (provided of course its norms are no less ethical than those of my home country)
... the girls charge what they can, which is different for every customer depending on how broad their taste, how often they get out of Pussy Prison and ...Agree. One point rarely made is that some guys (a small number not including me unfortunately) manage to negotiate prices which are under the standard (yet alone inflated) prices. If some guys can do this I baulk at paying over standard prices.
More to the point for me is that in my experience the girls giving the best service are those who don't upsell, ask for tips, restrict time and so on. More money equals less service?
Steve 9696
12-19-18, 15:40
So if I go to a concert in a country where concerts are cheap I should pay 50 per cent over the normal price because in my home country it is more expensive?
I prefer to act according to local culture (provided of course its norms are no less ethical than those of my home country)I clearly prefer the way it used to be. 50 a half. 100 an hour. 50 CIM. But it is no longer fixed price. So I am not sure the analogy works. If the concert venue charged locals 50 and people coming from other countries where they normally pay $100, those folks would be happy to pay $75.
Again, I don't want to overpay and try not to but since individuals reference frames are different so are their decisions.
BigBuddy69
12-19-18, 16:19
It has never been a fixed price and it's still totally possible to have good sex for 50 € each 30 min if you choose the good clubs and don't act like a wimp.
What I meant, without meaning to tackle anyone, was that I don't see why somebody should feel pity for these girls or justify their freaks. And I say it out of my career of loving at various degrees many prostitutes of all colour, origin, rank, etc.
Generally speaking about them, not just about FKK's ones, the only allowance I can do is about going with men they don't like, the smell, the sweat, the flavours, but for the rest of the things? I am envious with any woman: they can have as much sex as they like and can do whatever they want in their life without any worry by just spreading their mouths / legs, and be honoured like queens by bunches of stupid wankers dying after them while maybe contemporarily insulting their wives or reproaching their secretaries / saleswomen / waitresses / whatever job a woman working under a man can do.
What would I do if I lost my job? And while working I have to follow rules, have problems, can not travel, etc. If a woman is not so stupid to get a pimp, can't she do like many escorts do, travelling the world for instance without arguing, struggling, etc. ?
About the fact of them living in Germany at german prices... Even without considering the chance to sleep and eat in clubs... Also the workers in the night shifts of the factories live in Germany, pay a rent, support children (who stay in Germany, not in Romania!), pay taxes I guess higher than 25 euros a day, etc.
All the foreign people working abroad on a local normal / lower salary (think of those walking the streets selling umbrellars when it is raining for instance, or trying to sell the roses to couples on promenades) make huge sacrifices to spare a few tens of euros to send home.
When I was young I worked in England and I had to spare money for months to buy a 50 pounds broken down bike to be able to cycle home instead of walking (or begging for a lift to colleagues) 4 kms back to my 4 square meter room in the night after working even shifts of 16 hours.
When I am in Germany I too pay my expenses, but out of my salary, which doesn't consist of sure hundreds of euros per day. Some girls won't break even occasionally in a given day? It happens to many entrepreneurs, restaurants, pub, plumbers, car dealers, shops, etc.
But what do these girls risk? The goods they bought will go taunted? Will expire? Will remain unsold in store? Any woman, even the ugliest one, can take money out of a man if she wants: I use to say that you cannot refuse to anyone to suck your dick!
Those precious princesses who upsell the air you breath together, if end up earning "little", have to blame themselves! And must not receive any mercy or solidarity, especially by the men they mistreat/abuse/cheat/exploitate
I forgot to give you my advice: take her as a girlfriend... And let her support you! LOL! If you have problems taking her home, leave her where she is! Love can resist distance ;-D.
P.S. Don't worry about being considered a pimp. Whoever stays with someone is supposed to share earnings and help each other, actually normally is the man supporting the woman, and that's not considered a crime or anything bad. So, not to discriminate women, they must be allowed to do the same: you man may stay home ironing and washing the dishes, or get a cleaner and pay for that. Then instead of beauty salon and gym, you go to play darts or golf. A normal couple where one works and the other one is supported. If your woman was a famous singer, or a lawyer, or a manager, would it be considered bad if you lived at her expenses?
So if I go to a concert in a country where concerts are cheap I should pay 50 per cent over the normal price because in my home country it is more expensive?
I prefer to act according to local culture (provided of course its norms are no less ethical than those of my home country)+1. Exactly.
Germany is known for its fixed price and no tipping necessary culture. Even if they are moving somewhat away from the fixed price policy in p4p, the German culture to stick to the fixed prices is very strong. Germans want quality for their bucks. Why not simply adapt to this when in Germany? Why pay more than standard rate for p4 p? If hotels are cheaper in Germany than in your home country, would you be likely to overpay the same way? Or for a burger at McD? It simply does not make sense to overpay in p4 p. Furthermore; it is not necessary. There are always great goodlooking girls that provide great service at standard rates. Let's reward them with our money rather than the scammers.
Steve9696: USD 230/60 in Spain? Which club? I know Spain a little bit (I. E. Barcelona), and 230/60 is overpaying. Normal brothel rate is 80- 160 E /60 for a quality time (DFK / BBBJ / DATY / MPOS CFS included) with a goodlooking girl. I have also visited places in Barcelona that charge 200- 300 E /60 for the same services, and I have to say there is very little correlation between quality and money spent. Higher end places in Barcelona are usually tourist/rip-off places (with a few exceptions). Of course, I am aware of (but never visited) Vive in Madrid and some places in CDS with a LU possibly so good that they, like Swiss Clubs, can defend a higher rate. But those clubs are rare and not the norm.
Mongerer88
12-19-18, 20:53
+1. Exactly.
Germany is known for its fixed price and no tipping necessary culture. Even if they are moving somewhat away from the fixed price policy in p4p, the German culture to stick to the fixed prices is very strong. Germans want quality for their bucks. Why not simply adapt to this when in Germany? Why pay more than standard rate for p4 p? If hotels are cheaper in Germany than in your home country, would you be likely to overpay the same way? Or for a burger at McD? It simply does not make sense to overpay in p4 p. Furthermore; it is not necessary. There are always great goodlooking girls that provide great service at standard rates. Let's reward them with our money rather than the scammers.
Steve9696: USD 230/60 in Spain? Which club? I know Spain a little bit (I. E. Barcelona), and 230/60 is overpaying. Normal brothel rate is 80- 160 E /60 for a quality time (DFK / BBBJ / DATY / MPOS CFS included) with a goodlooking girl at most places. I have also visited places in Barcelona that charge 200- 300 E /60 for the same services, and I have to say there is very little correlation between quality and money spent. Higher end places in Barcelona are usually tourist/rip-off places (with a few exceptions). Of course, I am aware of (but never visited) Vive in Madrid and some places in CDS with a LU possibly so good that they, like Swiss Clubs, can defend a higher rate. But those clubs are rare and not the norm.Agree with you on Spain, but I think it is useful to note that many countries, with as good (and often better) services at a lower price at establishments favored by locals, have a barrier to entry for tourists not willing to make any effort at all. In Barcelona, and to a lesser extent in Madrid), a John wanting to access a lady at a place like Vecinitasbcn, teensbcn or Eden53 who will do the exact same session for 120 euros an hour as a lady at a place with a line-up and published address for 230-250 euros an hour (BBBJ, CIM and two pops) has to make an appointment in advance likely using WhatsApp and google translate to communicate in Spanish. He has to get an exact address a little bit before the appointment instead of the intersection that is published on the website, walk down the street and look for the number on the building, enter a door code, take an elevator to a designated floor, and find an apartment number. This might occasionally, although not always, require him to learn Spanish numerical and ordinal numbers 1 through 6.
Anyone possessing a smart phone and being intelligent enough to roll on a condom should be able to do this, but in spite of how often many of us post information of where to get the best service from the youngest, hottest ladies at the most competitive prices in Spain, a truly amazing number of guys say that this is just too complicated and they go to the most tourist-friendly walk-in brothels that have the highest prices if you purchase upsell a-la-carte services. To each his own, of course, but Germany is quite different than many other countries in that it strives to make the scene very public and open. A person can go to google maps, type in Frankfurt Airport as a starting point, and an FKK such as Oase or Palace or Sharks as the destination, and learn how to get to the front door via public transportation. Once a guy is at the front door, someone there will speak to him in English and lead him straight to a locker room, then to a working girl, who will lead him to a room where she will even roll the condom on for him.
With that few barriers to entry for a guy willing to invest no time and effort, especially if he is in Frankfurt on the company dime, I doubt that he is going to join the effort to keep prices down by refusing to pay 100 euros instead of 50.
The South American posters on ISG can be assholes, but they can be pretty savvy. The biggest barrier to entry for the low-price, high quality, areas in South America is the lack of English speaking by many of the ladies, and those posters can be damn unpleasant when suggestions are made that bridges be built to allow English-only speakers to more easily access the markets. They know that too many "gringos" can mess up their pricing, so they want a system that creates a huge barrier to entry. Learning Spanish or Portuguese in spoken form.
Polyamorist
12-19-18, 22:02
Steve9696: USD 230/60 in Spain? Which club? I know Spain a little bit (I. E. Barcelona), and 230/60 is overpaying. Normal brothel rate is 80- 160 E /60 for a quality time (DFK / BBBJ / DATY / MPOS CFS included) with a goodlooking girl. I have also visited places in Barcelona that charge 200- 300 E /60 for the same services, and I have to say there is very little correlation between quality and money spent. Higher end places in Barcelona are usually tourist/rip-off places (with a few exceptions).Totally agree. My experience in Barcelona was the same. No correlation. In fact some of the best places were the cheap Chinese brothels.
In fact I just paid 60 E for a session with a 23-year old art student from Argentina, and she did everything, and blew my mind.
There are some business-minded guys on the forum who will tell you, "You get what you pay for." There is a certain appeal to this concept. It would make life a lot simpler if it were true. But in this area of life, things are more complicated. If you pay too much you will be considered an idiot, and the service could actually be much worse.
Polyamorist
12-19-18, 22:12
Yes, but I think it is more for business purposes, meaning they slice and cut each actions of sex as products to maximize their profitability.
A dirty secret of capitalism: usually when people try to squeeze profit out of a product, it acts directly against the quality of the product.
This is bad when the product is a web page, but tragic when the product is a woman.
Steve 9696
12-19-18, 22:19
Steve9696: USD 230/60 in Spain? Which club? I know Spain a little bit (I. E. Barcelona), and 230/60 is overpaying. Normal brothel rate is 80- 160 E /60 for a quality time (DFK / BBBJ / DATY / MPOS CFS included) with a goodlooking girl. I have also visited places in Barcelona that charge 200- 300 E /60 for the same services, and I have to say there is very little correlation between quality and money spent. Higher end places in Barcelona are usually tourist/rip-off places (with a few exceptions). Of course, I am aware of (but never visited) Vive in Madrid and some places in CDS with a LU possibly so good that they, like Swiss Clubs, can defend a higher rate. But those clubs are rare and not the norm.OK I stand corrected here. All this was from memory and converting currencies. I was at Felina which is a really nice venue IMO (I don't know if it's considered a tourist trap, but I loved it). Their posted rate today is 140E/ HR which I guess is about $160. But when I was there, both girls I was with upcharged for BBBJ (maybe this can be negotiated - I did not try, as I was happy at that price for the previously discussed reasons). So a bit over $200 in a top quality room with a CIM finish. (I also should have mentioned almost all the experiences included CIM.
Kosher Kowboy
12-20-18, 00:12
Steve9696: USD 230/60 in Spain? Which club? I know Spain a little bit (I. E. Barcelona), and 230/60 is overpaying. Normal brothel rate is 80- 160 E /60 for a quality time (DFK / BBBJ / DATY / MPOS CFS included) with a goodlooking girl. I have also visited places in Barcelona that charge 200- 300 E /60 for the same services, and I have to say there is very little correlation between quality and money spent. Higher end places in Barcelona are usually tourist/rip-off places (with a few exceptions). Of course, I am aware of (but never visited) Vive in Madrid and some places in CDS with a LU possibly so good that they, like Swiss Clubs, can defend a higher rate. But those clubs are rare and not the norm.
OK I stand corrected here. All this was from memory and converting currencies. I was at Felina which is a really nice venue IMO (I don't know if it's considered a tourist trap, but I loved it). Their posted rate today is 140E/ HR which I guess is about $160. But when I was there, both girls I was with upcharged for BBBJ (maybe this can be negotiated - I did not try, as I was happy at that price for the previously discussed reasons). So a bit over $200 in a top quality room with a CIM finish. (I also should have mentioned almost all the experiences included CIM.Madrid brothels on average are about 20 less per half hour than the ones in Barcelona. 50/60 e in Madrid should get the half hour done except maybe at Rusas VIP or Even11 (also in Valencia) where 80-90 w BBBJ is going to be needed. Vive (I think) is 120 HH and the other high end venue is Pigmallion which I hear is more although recently someone reported 2 hours for 400 e. Perla Negra, la Vie en Rose, Apricots and all the name brand brothels are for tourists BUT they are always open and one can always walk in w / o an appt and be serviced on the spot. I doubt many of their clients are Spaniards, very small percentage if so. All known for upsells, Apricots the least but the woman tend to be older. Felinas is perhaps the worst, and yes it is a tourist trap but Steve had fun so who gives a shit. BCN is what it is. The brothels pay a large fee for the license which is why many independents share apartments and keep the number of girls working there under the number of girls that would require them to have a license. At least that is how it was explained. If one wants to work and hunt find your BCN deals here, the work really is not much, just WhatsApp a few at once and within minutes you are on your way.
https://www.sexomercadobcn.com/pisos-y-agencias-de-relax-tarifa-minima-100-f3.html
These girls will do cheap halfs and hours, many are very pretty and just about all BBBJ and I hear many will go ' sin goma' as well. If you look in this section in the link below you will find the ones offering specials that day, usually any girl in ' that piso' will match it. Specials can be found here.
https://www.sexomercadobcn.com/promociones-y-ofertas-a-foreros-t1685-i932.html#post2509966.
The sexomercado site takes a while to figure out how to navigate but it is one of the best boards I have ever come across but it does take work to hunt down girls but 75% of the girls I sent WhatsApps too ' under 100 e' replied within minutes with availability on the spot if not their friends were ready. Most are concentrated in the heart of things very easy to get to by METRO or taxi.
However, I find no fault with Steve's decision in Barcelona, Felinas offers a factor of ease and no research and it is there for guys who just want to have fun and yes there is a premium to be paid but the plus side is no work required. Walk in, pick from a LU and be happy. The places like Felinas are also much nicer and cleaner inside than cheaper alternatives.
I miss Spain it really is a great place to go but it isn't Germany and there are no places with filthy couches that girls sit on and get their pussies vashed all day long.
For the higher end places like Scandalo, Vive and Pigmallion a great source of info would probably be PayforIt; I think he has been to them and more than once, certainly much more up to date with prices than I.
A dirty secret of capitalism: usually when people try to squeeze profit out of a product, it acts directly against the quality of the product.
This is bad when the product is a web page, but tragic when the product is a woman.Yes. In my case as a counter strategy, if session is not delivered as promised once in the room with girl at FKK, then it gives me no choice, but cut session to 30 min 50 euro session, cum quick and done with her. Such girl could have got more money out of me as long as she deliver what was promised before entering room, but it is sad that some girls in FKK conduct business in very canning manner that some mongers accept, not me, I refuse and cut session, cum quick in 30 min, pay her 50 euro and I limit my damage to 50 euro. To be for such session 50 euro is OK and not wasted, I still fucked her.
Such case is rare, but some girls do try if they see you are weak target in FKK because it is easier to squeeze out of cash out of monger if he is desperate, which is considered as merely soft target in FKK.
As I said before, in any business transaction, both side has to benefit. Sometimes in FKK, some girls do not understand this formula and sometime in FKK some monger accept only girls side of demand with limited return.
As long as time spent is 30 min which can be backed with security camera which are set everywhere in FKK, then paying 50 euro per 30 min is fine with some arguments, security camera is all that matter, rest are she say he says, and 50 euro per 30 min is the house price and problem only occur if monger refuse to pay house price amount.
Mongers do have solution to these canning girls in FKK, just cum and cut session at 30 min and pay 50 euro and stay strong and check security camera. Problem only occur if monger refuse to pay house price.
Christian G
12-24-18, 13:33
Generally speaking about them, not just about FKK's ones, the only allowance I can do is about going with men they don't like, the smell, the sweat, the flavours, but for the rest of the things? I am envious with any woman: they can have as much sex as they like and can do whatever they want in their life without any worry by just spreading their mouths / legs, and be honoured like queens by bunches of stupid wankers dying after them while maybe contemporarily insulting their wives or reproaching their secretaries / saleswomen / waitresses / whatever job a woman working under a man can do.Totally agree, applause.
If a woman is not so stupid to get a pimp, can't she do like many escorts do, travelling the world for instance without arguing, struggling, etc. ?I travel alot in Asia and I met / fuck many girls there, just look at their FB and IG profiles many of them travel all around Asia and sometimes Europe / USA / Australia for meeting their multiple boyfriends (aka Sponsors) they alsways have someone pay everythings for them and they receive money every months by western union.
Those precious princesses who upsell the air you breath together, if end up earning "little", have to blame themselves! And must not receive any mercy or solidarity, especially by the men they mistreat/abuse/cheat/exploitateAgain, totally agree withyou here. No mercy at all.
Just wanted to take a moment to acknowledge and to thank all the contributors who's contributions have helped me prepare for my upcoming return to FKK-land in the coming year. In particular, thanks to Optimist, Lanthano and Kosher Kowboy and many others for your reviews, comments and opinions.
I've traveled over the years to Germany and noted the one constant was change, in the clubs, the girls and attitudes. I did not visit this past year so rtff is mandatory in light of the changes in the clubs, with the girls and also with the laws! I'll be returning to many of these clubs as I tour towns of the Half-timbered House Route. Thanks again for the updates!
I've been reading the discussions on health checks on the Sharks thread. The discussion dives into Employee vs Independent, hits and misses of the new law, etc.
For me, one major failure of the new law is that it doesn't protect the women in terms of banking or renting a house. I find it disgusting that the women working in the clubs resort to paying the club €30 per day or more to stay is a square box with no furnishings other than the bed and possibly a wardrobe. I've talked to several women who state the owners of apartments don't want to rent to them because they fear the apartment will become a place of business. Of the thousands of women working in clubs, a small minority actually have been able to rent an apartment.
Don't judge me for my friends desires. I'm just conveying this example from his dealings with a WG.
This friend tried to take a lady on a business trip to the US. Her Visa was denied because she had no employment, no German bank account and no house lease in Germany and she wasn't living and working in her home country.
I've been reading the discussions on health checks on the Sharks thread. The discussion dives into Employee vs Independent, hits and misses of the new law, etc.
For me, one major failure of the new law is that it doesn't protect the women in terms of banking or renting a house. I find it disgusting that the women working in the clubs resort to paying the club 30 per day or more to stay is a square box with no furnishings other than the bed and possibly a wardrobe. I've talked to several women who state the owners of apartments don't want to rent to them because they fear the apartment will become a place of business. Of the thousands of women working in clubs, a small minority actually have been able to rent an apartment.
Don't judge me for my friends desires. I'm just conveying this example from his dealings with a WG.
This friend tried to take a lady on a business trip to the US. Her Visa was denied because she had no employment, no German bank account and no house lease in Germany and she wasn't living and working in her home country.Fully agree. Only a few girls can live out of their club, because they have friends or relatives or BF / pimp outside, or very good clients, renting or buying a flat.
But the biggest failure of new law for me, even worst than some girls still sleeping in rooms where they are fucked, this still in some very big and famous clubs, is some girls heath and also some wives health are still really in danger, about keep going AO clubs and AO sex factory, with mostly poor, pimped Bulgarians. I don t speak German, but I thought to understand it was forbidden by new law. When LR had so many problems when being controlled on 2018 , really unbelievable AO clubs still exist, even they write inside for sex with condom, but everybody, even a foreigner like me, know all guys go for AO sex, filling pussy, before returning to wife.
I will keep on free riding, when snow will fall more, to risk my life in more enjoyable way, or also much more enjoyable when a beauty who appreciate pleasure she gets with You, decide not to take anything out of her bag, for fluent sex, without needing to beg for anything.
ExpatLover
12-30-18, 15:47
Fully agree. Only a few girls can live out of their club, because they have friends or relatives or BF / pimp outside, or very good clients, renting or buying a flat.
But the biggest failure of new law for me, even worst than some girls still sleeping in rooms where they are fucked, this still in some very big and famous clubs, is some girls heath and also some wives health are still really in danger, about keep going AO clubs and AO sex factory, with mostly poor, pimped Bulgarians. I don t speak German, but I thought to understand it was forbidden by new law. When LR had so many problems when being controlled on 2018 , really unbelievable AO clubs still exist, even they write inside for sex with condom, but everybody, even a foreigner like me, know all guys go for AO sex, filling pussy, before returning to wife.
I will keep on free riding, when snow will fall more, to risk my life in more enjoyable way, or also much more enjoyable when a beauty who appreciate pleasure she gets with You, decide not to take anything out of her bag, for fluent sex, without needing to beg for anything.Just don't forget the target of the new law, reduce the offer to decrease the demand, not to protect better the girls, do you really believe that the German government cares about the health of Romania girls who will return to their country for most of them? They also target the clubs openly controlled by the rocker bands. So many German woman are happy that their husband stay more with them and go less to clubs.
KingOfBongo
12-30-18, 17:56
...I find it disgusting that the women working in the clubs resort to paying the club 30 per day or more to stay is a square box with no furnishings other than the bed and possibly a wardrobe. I've talked to several women who state the owners of apartments don't want to rent to them because they fear the apartment will become a place of business. Of the thousands of women working in clubs, a small minority actually have been able to rent an apartment... There is at least one club where it is free of charge. In that club, I suppose they can also sleep in other places than rooms. From my discussions with girls there are several advantages: no renting costs, no daily commuting costs, no food costs and they can keep the money safe. One girl also told me she would not be distracted to spend all her money. In my opinion, they can also socialize with other girls and sometimes with staffs.
I also heard stories of landlords who took advantage of the situation.
I have known a girl who was daily commuting by train and living alone in an apartment. I told her I was worried that she could be assaulted when she left the club and explained her that it is was not good for her to stay alone. She told me colocation, after some very bad experience she had with some girls, was not an option anymore. Fortunately, she stopped, but I don't think she got a lot of money.
I think the best would be sleeping spaces reserved only for women.
I've been reading the discussions on health checks on the Sharks thread. The discussion dives into Employee vs Independent, hits and misses of the new law, etc.
For me, one major failure of the new law is that it doesn't protect the women in terms of banking or renting a house. I find it disgusting that the women working in the clubs resort to paying the club 30 per day or more to stay is a square box with no furnishings other than the bed and possibly a wardrobe. I've talked to several women who state the owners of apartments don't want to rent to them because they fear the apartment will become a place of business. Of the thousands of women working in clubs, a small minority actually have been able to rent an apartment.
Don't judge me for my friends desires. I'm just conveying this example from his dealings with a WG.
This friend tried to take a lady on a business trip to the US. Her Visa was denied because she had no employment, no German bank account and no house lease in Germany and she wasn't living and working in her home country.Many (not few) Sharks, Palace, Oase etc girls rent their own apartments close by (mostly because it turns out much cheaper and much better living environment), few of them has their own German bank accounts and bought their own German cars, and registered as WG in the current German system. So these smart WGs do check "yes" in those boxes in the US visa applications but probably still would be denied US visa as their official "work" is very much stigma in the eyes of the American system.
But the biggest failure of new law for me, even worst than some girls still sleeping in rooms where they are fucked, this still in some very big and famous clubs, is some girls heath and also some wives health are still really in danger, about keep going AO clubs and AO sex factory, with mostly poor, pimped Bulgarians. I don t speak German, but I thought to understand it was forbidden by new law.When I say failure of the law, I mean something that it does not address. AO is addressed yet somehow very difficult to enforce. If they could prove it, the first time the authorities dropped some €2 k fines, some people would consider the risk. Others would take their chances and get away with it for years.
Many (not few) Sharks, Palace, Oase etc girls rent their own apartments close by (mostly because it turns out much cheaper and much better living environment).I'm not a FR regular but on my last trip to Sharks I talked to some ladies. Some said they stayed in rooms from the club that are separated from the lounge. One told me the only benefits were that it was close and flexible. If she wanted to start working tomorrow in Austria she could pack her clothes and makeup and be gone in 24 hour. When they go home they leave stuff in a locker and hope it's there when they return. The down side, if a girl upsets management, they can escort her to pack her stuff from her locker, then tell security at the rooms she has 20 min to pack her stuff and get out. One lady I know suffered a similar fate. She said the club put her on the street at 2 am like a stray dog. Fortunately, I good client helped he find a hotel room and relocate to a different club.
ElephantBeer
12-31-18, 13:50
In Germany again for the next few weeks. Was in a few of the NWR clubs last month and never once have seen anything other than white Bulgarian / Romanian girls.
Any black gals in any of the clubs?
Thanks.
Kosher Kowboy
01-01-19, 01:29
I saw the term ' kaviar' listed elsewhere under activities of some girls. It translates to ' caviar', not much help
Anyone know exactly what this term refers to?
I saw the term ' kaviar' listed elsewhere under activities of some girls. It translates to ' caviar', not much help
Anyone know exactly what this term refers to?Haha. Wherever you are today buddy, hope you don't throw up. It means number 2 aka kaka play, usually the WG will do it on the customer guy (called active) but some girls also has service the other way (called passive). Super gross IMHO.
A dirty secret of capitalism: usually when people try to squeeze profit out of a product, it acts directly against the quality of the product.
This is bad when the product is a web page, but tragic when the product is a woman.Indeed. The hidden (bad) secrets of capitalism:
1. Do as little as possible.
2. Charge as much as possible.
3. Do not share your wealth unless you get something in return.
And as long as everyone has the same mentality, you are fucked if you try to leave the box. Unless you are crazy wealthy and consider yourself a so called philanthropist. And even that is a joke since all these philanthropists are just marketing themselves behind a cloak of generosity, while in reality they are abusing a rigged system. So they also assume to get something in return.
I saw the term ' kaviar' listed elsewhere under activities of some girls. It translates to ' caviar', not much help
Anyone know exactly what this term refers to?As explained below. Note the New Law purporting to be concerned with health has nothing to say about such revolting practices.
Kosher Kowboy
01-01-19, 06:29
Haha. Wherever you are today buddy, hope you don't throw up. It means number 2 aka kaka play, usually the WG will do it on the customer guy (called active) but some girls also has service the other way (called passive). Super gross IMHO.I went out for a New Year's bang, found a super cheap one for 100 but she would break most scales and if she were in the RLD would get zero customers but this is Austin and I refuse to pay over 100 so I don't get much. However given the choice of this girl or a plate of kaviar I think I would give her a repeat visit in a ' New York minute'.
And speaking of NY the ball just dropped so Happy New Year to all.
ExpatLover
01-01-19, 06:29
I saw the term ' kaviar' listed elsewhere under activities of some girls. It translates to ' caviar', not much help
Anyone know exactly what this term refers to?Mean playing with shit, in a active or passive way. Many German guys are crazy about it.
In Germany again for the next few weeks. Was in a few of the NWR clubs last month and never once have seen anything other than white Bulgarian / Romanian girls.
Any black gals in any of the clubs?
Thanks.Usually at Bab Elsdorf. I remember also at PHG on day, quite aggressive behavior.
I'm not a FR regular but on my last trip to Sharks I talked to some ladies. Some said they stayed in rooms from the club that are separated from the lounge. One told me the only benefits were that it was close and flexible. If she wanted to start working tomorrow in Austria she could pack her clothes and makeup and be gone in 24 hour. When they go home they leave stuff in a locker and hope it's there when they return. The down side, if a girl upsets management, they can escort her to pack her stuff from her locker, then tell security at the rooms she has 20 min to pack her stuff and get out. One lady I know suffered a similar fate. She said the club put her on the street at 2 am like a stray dog. Fortunately, I good client helped he find a hotel room and relocate to a different club.My most, weekly, regular at Sharks slept in Sharks rooms with other girls, not rooms for sex, from November 2015 she arrived from Mainhattan, to March 2017 she moved to Globe, paying 20€ per night when she had to pay 100 at this time, to work. Now she sleeps in Globe rooms for girls, when Switzerland is expensive to live, and at least she is protected by club, about Swiss polizei.
Some girls pay only 10€ to sleep at GT, and 55 to work. 5 because they are given condoms and gel by GT, should be same at brother LR I think, even I think LR should have given free entry to their girls when they wasted time to wait for one of the 6 rooms.
About registration, as I advice to my foreigner girls, better to give club address than private address when some have a flat.
Triptogamont
01-01-19, 15:24
In Germany again for the next few weeks. Was in a few of the NWR clubs last month and never once have seen anything other than white Bulgarian / Romanian girls.
Any black gals in any of the clubs?
Thanks.It was a long time ago, but when I was in GoldenTime in Bruggen, there were 2-3 black girls. I did not room with any of them. Good luck.
It was a long time ago, but when I was in GoldenTime in Bruggen, there were 2-3 black girls. I did not room with any of them. Good luck.No black girls seen on my last GT visits on end of 2018.
I went out for a New Year's bang, found a super cheap one for 100 but she would break most scales and if she were in the RLD would get zero customers but this is Austin and I refuse to pay over 100 so I don't get much. However given the choice of this girl or a plate of kaviar I think I would give her a repeat visit in a ' New York minute'.
And speaking of NY the ball just dropped so Happy New Year to all.Most of those girls provide champagne as well to go with the cavier LOL. Again, super gross to me, but to each his own.
Happy New Year to all!
As explained below. Note the New Law purporting to be concerned with health has nothing to say about such revolting practices.Well, there's probably not enough potential tax base to control such practices, compared to other more common practices?
Kosher Kowboy
01-01-19, 20:43
Most of those girls provide champagne as well to go with the cavier LOL. Again, super gross to me, but to each his own.
Happy New Year to all!I think I will have to for sure pass on the cavier known here as the Cleveland Steamer as well as the champagne as I do not drink. I think I liked the answer better when I enquired about a schlammschieben months ago. Codeword2 is not a turn on.
However.
I haven't had a good Codeword1 shower since a beautiful Colombiana did the honors in PTY with no upsell or maybe it was in my Madrid hotel can't remember. I wonder what the upsell in an FKK Club would be and where as the only room with a shower I can think of is in Sharks. I suppose one could sneak a Mainhatten girl in to that steam room than use the hose to vash the floor and myself off. Cheapest way is probably offer some girl in the RLD 10 Euros if can find one with a shower in their room :D
Be prepared, it might be more difficult to get cash in Germany in the coming week (s) due to the security van driver strike. Personally, if this becomes a problem, I would drive to Venlo or Roermond over the Dutch border to get cash. Obviously not as practical if clubbing in Frankfurt.
https://www.apnews.com/adad52b472ec409db9d040f9d39649b0
ExpatLover
01-01-19, 21:11
I went out for a New Year's bang, found a super cheap one for 100 but she would break most scales and if she were in the RLD would get zero customers but this is Austin and I refuse to pay over 100 so I don't get much. However given the choice of this girl or a plate of kaviar I think I would give her a repeat visit in a ' New York minute'.
And speaking of NY the ball just dropped so Happy New Year to all.Americans just believe that they are over the others in reality most of them have a European background and the families moved to the US to try to get a better life than in Europe, today it is still valid they visit Germany mostly to get fresh and sexy girls what is very difficult to get in their beautiful paradise under the leadership of the beautiful Mr Trump, a long way to go for many us.
Any black gals in any of the clubs?
Thanks.Artemis has set collections of black girls (around 7 girls) usually.
In GT, I saw few like two or three sometimes standing by the bar close to the side where there is a exit to the garden area.
I would say Artemis, even though black girls are not my type at all, I even found two half black and half white German girls who was beauty enough for me to take them to room.
Bear in mind that there are only limited numbers of black girls in Artemis though, but there always are black girls there.
Wow, catching up on the thread here and am baffled at the fact that some posters actually give this comment filled with inaccurate numbers and unchallenged assertions a +1 bump. The fact that it sparked a lengthy conversation with people taking the claims at face value to be true is disheartening.
Side note: I find it funny and a little sad that sometimes one feels the need to defend his ego by stating that he does not often post and only after a trip. Hah.
First, are we just going to accept the claim most of the guys here are overpaying money splashers? Try to quantify the number of those guys. Most posters here seem to pay or claim to pay club rate. The exceptions are the random reports from relative newbies who pay the 100 e half hour, but that is most definitely not the majority.
Second, the claim that 1000 e a month in Western Europe is good? Try at least double that just to be average.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage
Third, Romanian average salary less than 200 e per month? No, it's over 500. Fruit costing 1 lei per kg at local markets? Heck no. And yes Romania has a higher average income than Bulgaria, see link above. I've traveled the countryside of Romania and most people are certainly not shitting in holes in the ground and happy to make 4 euros a day. This is Romania, a European Union nation with the freedom to move and work in other EU nations, not a remote village in the Congo.
Reading subsequent replies, I get the feeling that the poster was burned by a Romanian WG and now holds animosity towards WGs or perhaps all women altogether.
While many WGs are for sure princesses who think they have aromatic twats who squander their respectable incomes, the rest of the claims here are certainly not based on truth. Furthermore, rather than follow this OP's suggestion of no mercy towards WG's, it would better serve the monger to be able to separate these princesses from the good providers with hardened but good natured hearts.
Lastly, the underlying assertion that people who earn higher incomes in foreign countries should be happy with it and shut up is a culturalist, often times racist, attitude that I often see here in America from jingo nativist who feel than Mexican immigrants are beneath them. The OP is critical of "wealthy" mongers being removed from realty but it seems obvious that he does not come from a back ground of doing manual labor for 12+ hours per day and certainly not of an entrepreneur. It is easy to say that 500 is a lot when not fully counting the expense of accommodations away from home, upkeep of goods (their bodies), entrance fees, and financial and time cost of marketing (keeping appearances on social media). Grossing 500 per day is not taking home 500 for an 8 hour desk job day. It is 500 dollars per day for around the clock work, everyday of the week before expenses with a 10 year shelf life.
Again, so many things wrong with the original posts. From a perspective of facts, logistics, and morality, so many things wrong.
I read this forum rarely, mostly when going to post after a trip. And even more rarely I read this chat and lounge area, so I apologize for intruding here with my not aligned opinions. I notice discussions about money and girls are recurrent and I would like to express my observations.
The very most of the guys writing here and going to these clubs are evidently wealthy people, happy to splash hundreds of euros in extras, hours in the room (I guess mostly just talking) and being happy with the little service these plastified squeamish princesses bother to provide.
Vito Corleone
01-02-19, 04:25
In Germany again for the next few weeks. Was in a few of the NWR clubs last month and never once have seen anything other than white Bulgarian / Romanian girls.
Any black gals in any of the clubs?
Thanks.Salome had 4-5 & villa vanilla had 6.
I saw the term ' kaviar' listed elsewhere under activities of some girls. It translates to ' caviar', not much help
Waste from the digestive system.
You are right regarding many posters here plashing a hell of alot of money. But then again that does in a way make it cheaper for the rest of us.Are we sure about that? How many posters actually do? Or admit to doing so?
Look at some of the most frequent posters here and see if we can confirm if they are over payers.
Kosher Kowboy? No.
Sirioja? No.
Chongmai? No.
Pistons? No.
Nik? No.
McAdonis? Certainly not.
Mr Ho admits he does but I'm pretty sure he hasn't been to an FKK since 2017 or perhaps even 2016.
So really, how can we qualify EastGoing's assertion that most board members here unnecessarily splash money?
Definitely not by overpaying. As far as doing long rooms at club rate, well it's club rate and you're paying the fair price.
As for tipping and the assertion that Germans don't do tip, that is bullshit. I made it a point to ask locals about this and at least half confirm that they do. Even some of the Turkish Germans admit to doing so.
LaBambaBoy
01-02-19, 20:44
Be prepared, it might be more difficult to get cash in Germany in the coming week (s) due to the security van driver strike. Personally, if this becomes a problem, I would drive to Venlo or Roermond over the Dutch border to get cash. Obviously not as practical if clubbing in Frankfurt.
https://www.apnews.com/adad52b472ec409db9d040f9d39649b0Yikes. What's the best option if one is flying into Frankfurt?
I have been to Salome 3-4 times last year and there maybe 1-2 girls on average.
Golden Time had a decent collection: about 2-3 on each of my visits. Sometimes even 4. Rachel is a good-looking part-timer (she is a full-time nurse apprentice) from cologne. You can always call the front desk in any club, and GT didnt lie to me.
On the other hand, Magnum & Salome front desk did lie to me, just to get me into the club.. So i am cautious with them.
Pascha in Cologne had a full floor of colored ladies. From Africa. But those I would avoid, as they only upsell the whole time. I also believe they arent there anymore.
Duisburg RLD has at least 4-5 spread across various houses
In Germany again for the next few weeks. Was in a few of the NWR clubs last month and never once have seen anything other than white Bulgarian / Romanian girls.
Any black gals in any of the clubs?
Thanks.
Ah. First time I hear about it. I checked out several german newspapers, and the Banks are all saying "don't worry, there will be plenty of cash". There maybe a few ATM affected. Ie less than 5%. I got today my cash for my weekend adventures without a problem. Grin.
Be prepared, it might be more difficult to get cash in Germany in the coming week (s) due to the security van driver strike. Personally, if this becomes a problem, I would drive to Venlo or Roermond over the Dutch border to get cash. Obviously not as practical if clubbing in Frankfurt.
https://www.apnews.com/adad52b472ec409db9d040f9d39649b0
Yup. But I only experienced aggressive behaviour (pulling aside, upselling) with africans.
Usually at Bab Elsdorf. I remember also at PHG on day, quite aggressive behavior.
TankTank123
01-03-19, 01:17
Yup. But I only experienced aggressive behaviour (pulling aside, upselling) with africans.In my experience, the Africans at Babylon have never been aggressive.
Yikes. What's the best option if one is flying into Frankfurt?I say get cash at airport ATMs just case this amounts to a real issue.
Are we sure about that? How many posters actually do? Or admit to doing so?
Look at some of the most frequent posters here and see if we can confirm if they are over payers.
Kosher Kowboy? No.
Sirioja? No.
Chongmai? No.
Pistons? No.
Nik? No.
McAdonis? Certainly not..Well as you say, the most frequent posters here don't overpay. Although some tend to do far more than the minimum pay. Less frequent posters on the other hand seems to pay a bit more it seems. But I suppose the question is a bit misleading. I would rather say people spending 200-1000 on a girl on one night is making it cheaper for the ones of us who sometimes just pay minimum. Overpaying or adding extras / extending time. The later is far more relevant. The first portion is no doubt dangerous and not good. But the later part can be. I guess I should have been more clear.
As for tipping, of course people even in Germany tip. All over Europe people tip. But instead of 20-30% tip like in USA, it is more standard to just tip 10%. That goes for all of Europe, and not just Germany. But there is of course the standard rules related to tipping, and it is all about service.
Several studies have been made regarding tipping also in Europe. For example one found out that if the waitress had a flower in her hair, she got more tip. Another one showed that smiling helped greatly. A third one showed that if she wore a name tag, she got more in tip because it made the waitress service more personal. So it goes to show that if the service personnel manage to create positive impulses, they get more tip, and the customers are less likely to get angry even if the food was bad. Because the service personnel is no longer a robot you can scream at. He or she has feelings too. And every service job is basically the same. The service personnel have to sell themselves. And we all tip because we like to encourage this type of personal behavior.
Yup. But I only experienced aggressive behaviour (pulling aside, upselling) with africans.When I visited PHG on 2016 for my model type, early on day, some black girls were starting working and hassling for business when I m really not into black girls. I remember one real model type at Sharks, really pretty, very smiling, but I couldn't go to her. She was quite busy.
Well as you say, the most frequent posters here don't overpay. Although some tend to do far more than the minimum pay. Less frequent posters on the other hand seems to pay a bit more it seems. But I suppose the question is a bit misleading. I would rather say people spending 200-1000 on a girl on one night is making it cheaper for the ones of us who sometimes just pay minimum. Overpaying or adding extras / extending time. The later is far more relevant. The first portion is no doubt dangerous and not good. But the later part can be. I guess I should have been more clear.
As for tipping, of course people even in Germany tip. All over Europe people tip. But instead of 20-30% tip like in USA, it is more standard to just tip 10%. That goes for all of Europe, and not just Germany. But there is of course the standard rules related to tipping, and it is all about service.
Several studies have been made regarding tipping also in Europe. For example one found out that if the waitress had a flower in her hair, she got more tip. Another one showed that smiling helped greatly. A third one showed that if she wore a name tag, she got more in tip because it made the waitress service more personal. So it goes to show that if the service personnel manage to create positive impulses, they get more tip, and the customers are less likely to get angry even if the food was bad. Because the service personnel is no longer a robot you can scream at. He or she has feelings too. And every service job is basically the same. The service personnel have to sell themselves. And we all tip because we like to encourage this type of personal behavior.I hate to speak about money with girls, making me think about grocery for sex, I hate upselling, killing my illusion, I left rooms with Luci or Mady who was my GF at History Basel Liestal and never repeated, I never tip, my only tip is to repeat as long I enjoy, but I don't think all girls worth same rate. I hate to spend 50 or 100 for a average room with a GND, I prefer to pay more expensive for a beauty at Palace and for excellence at Globe, when Germany is down for me at the moment. I like what I felt on last Friday, when I was disappointed because of bad snow for my ski plus one more injury, so I preferred to give up, waiting for better snow, so I returned to Globe. After watching Bormio and Semmering. At, I saw a desirable 27 yo Hungarian, 1 rare exceptional hour, 260 € , and as soon we finished shower and kissing after I paid, I felt I wanted her again. Great feeling, when I m not interested just to fuck a piece of meat.
I prefer to pay more expensive for better quality, but also have to make the girl gives You quality, willing to please you.
Well as you say, the most frequent posters here don't overpay. Although some tend to do far more than the minimum pay. Less frequent posters on the other hand seems to pay a bit more it seems. But I suppose the question is a bit misleading. I would rather say people spending 200-1000 on a girl on one night is making it cheaper for the ones of us who sometimes just pay minimum. Overpaying or adding extras / extending time. The later is far more relevant. The first portion is no doubt dangerous and not good. But the later part can be. I guess I should have been more clear.
As for tipping, of course people even in Germany tip. All over Europe people tip. But instead of 20-30% tip like in USA, it is more standard to just tip 10%. That goes for all of Europe, and not just Germany. But there is of course the standard rules related to tipping, and it is all about service.First, 20-30% is not standard tipping in America. 15-20% is standard in the food service industry while 10% or less is standard in other industries. The food service standard is only so high because food servers are only paid $2.13 per hour, a low minimum mandated by federal law. Some municipalities and states such as California and New York have a higher minimum; but nationally, a restaurant only has to pay its wait staff $2. 13 per hour. Point is, the American over tipping stereotype is overblown when compared to German and British standards. Perhaps it is true when compared to cheap French and Dutch but not that exaggerated compared to fiscally responsible Germans. I would say that 10-12% is probably closer to standard when considering all industries across the board, not that much different than the European standard you suggest.
Second, paying for extras and extending time should not have any negative attachments whatsoever and people who enjoy long rooms should not be ostracized for doing so. If anything, the minimum 50 euro sessioners should be made to re-examine his priorities if the priority to minimize expense is greater than the priority to maximize pleasure when participating in an extravagant hobby. Some people like to keep metrics on spending such as price per room, price per finish, or price per number of different girls. I find less value in that. What's more important for me is something that you cannot easily objectively place a metric: enjoyment of time spent to cost ratio. By that metric, guys who prioritize the finish above all else are basically paying 50 euro for 10 seconds of pleasure, a please poor metric.
I'm going to nerd out and measure it out this way: Pleasure points per euro spent. If a guy aims to finish all rooms in 30 minutes, he probably really prioritizes the finish. So let's say his enjoyment points are 5 points per minute for the first 29 minutes and 10 points during the last minute when he finishes. That's 155 pleasure points for 50 euro for an average of 3.1 pleasure points per euro spent. Compare that to the 60 minute guy who enjoys kissing, foreplay, and body caresses much more than the 30 minute guy; he enjoys 8 pleasure points for 59 minutes and 10 points in the last minute of finishing. That's 482 pleasure points for 100 euro for an average of 4.82 pleasure points per euro spent. Using that metric or a less crude formula close to it, the one hour guy is getting a hell of a better deal than the 50 euro minimalist, 155% better to be exact.
Many mongers don't realize that using about 80% of a session time or a little overpaying is the form of tipping. When you go to restaurant, hair salon or any other type of service business in Germany, you usually need tipping for its service, although the amount is not as much as in America percentage-wise. Sex business in Germany is not exceptional and there are three ways of tipping: using around 80%% of session time, a little overpaying and actual tip. If you don't do one of these 3 forms of tipping, you can usually expect that next time the WG wouldn't give you as good service as this time, just like the waitress of a restaurant wouldn't serve you good if you didn't tip her last time you were there.
In some tourist FKK clubs like the clubs in Frankfurt area, the WGs force you to pay tips by shortening your session to around 80% of session time or imposing extra or upselling to you. This is just like the restaurants in the tourist areas of the USA add the tips to customers' bills so that the tips become mandatory even if foreign customers don't want to pay it because they know that their visits would be their last visits there.
Kosher Kowboy,
I read here that you have some experience of using viagra from India. I have been using Suhagra made by Cipla in India for several years and had good experience with it until recent shipment which seems to be not as strong as used to (I guess maybe due to the competition and every manufacturer needs to cut cost and make its price competitive). My questions to you are: Have you tried to use more than 100 MG Indian viagra per time when you found it impotent? What is the cause of their impotence you think? Is it because of not enough quantity or other reason? Thank you.
Horny Harry
01-03-19, 12:14
Be prepared, it might be more difficult to get cash in Germany in the coming week (s) due to the security van driver strike. Personally, if this becomes a problem, I would drive to Venlo or Roermond over the Dutch border to get cash. Obviously not as practical if clubbing in Frankfurt.
https://www.apnews.com/adad52b472ec409db9d040f9d39649b0
Yikes. What's the best option if one is flying into Frankfurt?May I say that I think that this is typical scaremongering from a (US?) tourist that doesn't live in Germany, and doesn't speak the language (not able to read newspapers, internet sites or watch the 8 o'clock news), and therefore have a very limited (Google Translate + US websites) idea of what's going on?
In the medium city (150 k inhabitants) where I live there are no problems, are plenty of banks, plenty of cash machines, no queues. Nothing (as of yet!) in the news, no friends or colleagues have heard about this, nor are they withdrawing extra cash.
Perhaps a strike is planned, but things will not immediately come to a grinding halt and it's hardly a reason to panic and plan to rent a car so you can "drive to Venlo or Roermond to get cash."
As I am a into safer sex (98% of the time), my tipp is that the ladies don't need to shower / clean / rinse as much- saves them 10 - 15 min each session.
I was thinking of switching my screen name / handle to SaferSex. Not sure if this can be done easily. Because this describes me best.
Many mongers don't realize that using about 80% of a session time or a little overpaying is the form of tipping. When you go to restaurant, hair salon or any other type of service business in Germany, you usually need tipping for its service, although the amount is not as much as in America percentage-wise. Sex business in Germany is not exceptional and there are three ways of tipping: using around 80%% of session time, a little overpaying and actual tip. If you don't do one of these 3 forms of tipping, you can usually expect that next time the WG wouldn't give you as good service as this time, just like the waitress of a restaurant wouldn't serve you good if you didn't tip her last time you were there.
In some tourist FKK clubs like the clubs in Frankfurt area, the WGs force you to pay tips by shortening your session to around 80% of session time or imposing extra or upselling to you. This is just like the restaurants in the tourist areas of the USA add the tips to customers' bills so that the tips become mandatory even if foreign customers don't want to pay it because they know that their visits would be their last visits there.
Kosher Kowboy,
I read here that you have some experience of using viagra from India. I have been using Suhagra made by Cipla in India for several years and had good experience with it until recent shipment which seems to be not as strong as used to (I guess maybe due to the competition and every manufacturer needs to cut cost and make its price competitive). My questions to you are: Have you tried to use more than 100 MG Indian viagra per time when you found it impotent? What is the cause of their impotence you think? Is it because of not enough quantity or other reason? Thank you.
Are we sure about that? How many posters actually do? Or admit to doing so?
Look at some of the most frequent posters here and see if we can confirm if they are over payers.
Chongmal? No
So really, how can we qualify EastGoing's assertion that most board members here unnecessarily splash money?
Definitely not by overpaying. As far as doing long rooms at club rate, well it's club rate and you're paying the fair price.I will weigh in and say for my favorites I do spoil them a bit. Not by paying over standard rates but I've been known to conduct a pancake session, but not with all ladies. ATM there are two ladies I pancake, one more frequently than I should.
Often times with a new lady I will be 30 min and out for €50. A really nice new lady may get an extension to 60 min. The ones who act proper after that get repeat sessions. Some expect an automatic promotion to pancake material but that is a privilege earned.
As I am a into safer sex (98% of the time), my tipp is that the ladies don't need to shower / clean / rinse as much- saves them 10 - 15 min each session....And how many ladies will be grateful for that kind of tip? Not many I bet. Why don't you grant them additional tips by telling them they don't need to comb their hair nor renew their make up? Another tip would be for you to spread the sheets on the bed yourself and dispose of the sheets afterwards.
LOL. But you are right, some my not appreciate this. But this is what it is. I tipp every now and then a 10 or 20 e too, if service was really memorable.
And how many ladies will be grateful for that kind of tip? Not many I bet. Why don't you grant them additional tips by telling them they don't need to comb their hair nor renew their make up? Another tip would be for you to spread the sheets on the bed yourself and dispose of the sheets afterwards.
Sebastiane
01-03-19, 15:18
Chongmal, what is a pancake session? You mean a threesome?
Takedown,
1. Seems we agree.
2. I like to exaggerate, but I know plenty of Americans who always tip 20% anywhere. So it is neighter 15 nor 30%. It seems to me to be 20% flat tipping amount. In Europe 10% is standard in restaurants. For other services like taxi etc, most people just round it up to a more even number. And up to 10%. But in an FKK, I would suggest the 10% to be more the norm if you spend all of the time as Bfsie points out. Two or three girls over the years have actually used my 100% of time spent as an excuse not to go with me. But after info from other girls they know whom I didn't tip for various reasons. So Bfsie's points are very valid. But as for the touristic clubs (same tipping application applies in Thailand tourist areas too by the way) in Frankfurt, the one annoying part is that nobody should ask for tip beforehand. And the tip percentages they ask for there is way too high. Like 50-100% more. Not 10%.
3. It is more likely you would get 45 minutes with 5 pleasure points, and 15 minutes with 8.
May I say that I think that this is typical scaremongering from a (US?) tourist that doesn't live in Germany, and doesn't speak the language (not able to read newspapers, internet sites or watch the 8 o'clock news), and therefore have a very limited (Google Translate + US websites) idea of what's going on?
In the medium city (150 k inhabitants) where I live there are no problems, are plenty of banks, plenty of cash machines, no queues. Nothing (as of yet!) in the news, no friends or colleagues have heard about this, nor are they withdrawing extra cash.
Perhaps a strike is planned, but things will not immediately come to a grinding halt and it's hardly a reason to panic and plan to rent a car so you can "drive to Venlo or Roermond to get cash."Relax buddy. All that aggro for what reason bro? It was a well intended post to make sure people are prepared just in case they come visit for a short window of time so they don't get screwed. If no strike, awesome. If a strike happens, then they're prepared. The source was the Associated Press, not like it was some random blog.
How about not personally attacking a well intention messengers with a bunch of unfounded assumptions, it's not a good look.
Kosher Kowboy
01-03-19, 19:45
Kosher Kowboy,
I read here that you have some experience of using viagra from India. I have been using Suhagra made by Cipla in India for several years and had good experience with it until recent shipment which seems to be not as strong as used to (I guess maybe due to the competition and every manufacturer needs to cut cost and make its price competitive). My questions to you are: Have you tried to use more than 100 MG Indian viagra per time when you found it impotent? What is the cause of their impotence you think? Is it because of not enough quantity or other reason? Thank you.Generics w / o a doubt can be inconsistent. Suhagra and Silagra same thing made by Cipla I think; I have used both. I also use the Kamarga (Ajanta) another Indian maker. I find them all the same but sometimes as you experienced the results are not the same. About ten years ago I split one of these generics in half and went to see a girl and performed barely. The next day I went to see another girl and took the second half and I was fucking Superman, it was as if 80 percent or more of the active ingredient were in one half of the pill however in recent years I have found ' all halves are equal' although I do notice some ' fulls' are not equal to others.
The cause of inconsistency I have no clue but we do know they aren't subject to FDA regulations. I have taken a 100 MG before sat on a Dietz couch for an hour and felt nothing other times I take 100 MG pill and and up with a hard on from visuals. So yes, I do overdose for two reasons.
1) inconsistency in the product and.
2) It simply wears off.
My bigger issue is I walk in to a club at 11, eat, wait one hour take a pill and at 1 PM I am ready to fuck. Come 4 PM it is starting to wear off so I take a little more or if I fuck soon enough I don't take more but eventually after eating dinner and time passing I need to take more so 150-300 MG a day is not unheard of. Than add in a little more at 3 Am in the RLD.
In light of this I am thinking Viagra alone even a phizer may not be the answer for the guy looking to boost his system for a period of 5+ hours unless one exceeds the daily recommended use.
I am going to try Chongmal's route of Cialis this next trip and in fact will test one today just need ' the Austin inventory' to wake up and see who is online to book and at that point I will take the pill. Yesterday I went and picked up (20) 20 MG. However they are Indian.
https://www.alldaychemist.com/ceebis-tadafil-20mg-tablet.html
Per the guy I got them from (in exchange for gel packs) this is the best generic Cialis he has used. We will see. FWIW I wanted Cialis for long lasting but he tells me Cialis does last him 2-3 pops as Chongmal reports but after 2-3 loads regardless of time it loses some punch. For this reason he wanted a gel pack. I plan the same, try out this pill and boost it with gel packs or a Viagra pill split up later in the day or I will simply take a troche.
Check this link out, these pharmacies are all over the country, Rx required but it is by far the fastest acting and w / o doubt zero inconsistency between doses, all 60 MG equally is what I get so a Cialis at club opening or an hour after I eat followed by a gel pack OR a troche later in the day might reduce the intake I need. I often find the gel packs too sometimes are not all equal and often I think one gel pack (100 MG) is weaker than the 60 MG troche and cost wise it is $3. 00 per troche, it is compound that is poured, by far if living stateside and you can't get brand name Cialis or Viagra the compound is by far the most effective product!
http://anrpharmacy.com/erectile-dysfunction/
On one of my first visits to Sharks I sold one (might have given) to a German attendee and he loved it, ended up buying the balance off me. The German liked it. His friends loved it. That should tell you all you need. For your best FKK experience be it club advise, a girl's service or the effectiveness of an ED drug simply play ' Follow / coat tail / listen to the German' for best results. It works. As to the females in general and my experiences the German girls also pay higher dividends in service levels and attitudes.
And on the matter of attitudes I can easily tie it in to ' the inconsistency' you refer too, if the girl has a bad attitude the drugs won't do shit as your ' mental-physical' connection will be going in opposite directions likewise if the WG has a great attitude (which is one reason I find paying 100 at Mainhatten for stress free guaranteed service beats paying 50 and ' possibly' being stressed out by some gazelle or kunt at Oase / Sharks') and if your mind isn't in the game the pills / gels / troches will not work so perhaps that could be part of what you are experiencing or for that matter not experiencing; drugs not the proper dosage as advertised or hiring a kunt or performance anxiety or feeling rushed etc will ruin any cock juiced up or not on Viagra / Cialis / Levitra.
Good luck.
I will weigh in and say for my favorites I do spoil them a bit. Not by paying over standard rates but I've been known to conduct a pancake session, but not with all ladies. ATM there are two ladies I pancake, one more frequently than I should.
Often times with a new lady I will be 30 min and out for 50. A really nice new lady may get an extension to 60 min. The ones who act proper after that get repeat sessions. Some expect an automatic promotion to pancake material but that is a privilege earned.Right. I think guys going for 4, 5, 6+ hour rooms is fine. If you enjoy the time and you're not getting ripped off, awesome. Want to throw in a legitimate extra like CIM or anal? Awesome. When guys criticize long roomers, I just see those guys as a bunch of cry babies upset that other boys don't play the game the way they prefer to play. Only they can't just take their ball and go home.
Then again, what do I know? I'm just a dumb yankee tourist, hah!
Horny Harry
01-03-19, 20:24
Be prepared, it might be more difficult to get cash in Germany in the coming week (s) due to the security van driver strike. Personally, if this becomes a problem, I would drive to Venlo or Roermond over the Dutch border to get cash. Obviously not as practical if clubbing in Frankfurt.
https://www.apnews.com/adad52b472ec409db9d040f9d39649b0Did some searching on German news sites and it turns out the strike was, drumroll, yesterday. LOL!
Everybody chill-lax! Money and ATM's won't run out, and if they do then Mario Draghi at the ECB will just print some more money and use helicopters to let it rain down on the proletariate!
ExpatLover
01-03-19, 23:06
I will never but never understand the reason why guys are taking blue pills to fuck prostitutes, if I can't I will stay outside the clubs waiting for better times so will safe a lot of money and more importantly my health.
ElephantBeer
01-04-19, 02:23
1) inconsistency in the product and.
2) It simply wears off.
Good luck.I buy Indian meds (mostly from Cambodia & Thailand. Now from an Indian website) for the last 18+ years. In the past a 50 MG Veetab worked for me in the FKK for 4+ hours. However, in recent years with advancing age and probably lowering testosterone and other compiling issues. Nothing much happens.
I now take a Cialis 20 MG the night before I go to FKK and then one 50 MG Veetab about 2 HR prior to visit and sometimes (if it doesn't work) I take another 50 MG during my visit.
It sort of sucks due to inconsistency issues:
1. If all the meds kick in. I get a raging hard-on (even just visuals) and I have to walk to the room with my girl while physically holding my cock down (embarrassing) even worse, I have such a Viagra-dick that I can't cross. Can pound away for an hour and no release. Often typical with Viagra and over medicating.
2. The Cialis (India) doesn't kick in within 15 min as it's supposed to. Even within 2-4 hours. I take night before as it's always there the next day. However, I never get a rock-hard-erection with Cialis. And if the girl is rude / not into it. I will lose the erection. Then the rest of the session is me trying to get a spaghetti noodle into the hole with a coat-hanger and some string. Meh.
3. The Indian Veetab (Viagra) has become more inconsistent over the last decade. It used to be that you took 50 MG and you'd either get a huge hard hit of 100 MG or more. Or nothing would happen. (or it would just work). These days more often than not. I get a lot of nothing. No flushing of face, no stuffed nose, no blue lights. Nothing. If it does work, it's very short lived.
The best source I've found are the Viagra gels you can get in Pattaya and Bangkok. But those give me some heart palps about 20 min after taking them. So I avoid them. Still. Max effect with no problem crossing.
These days I just make due. On an average visit to an FKK. I'll fuck 6 girls. Cross twice, have at three sessions of fucking without crossing, least one session where dick does nothing. Still better than wanking at home.
Last FKK last month I fucked 5 girls with only one cum. Sucked (as that was one expensive orgasm) - but that's age and shit meds.
ElephantBeer
01-04-19, 02:28
And how many ladies will be grateful for that kind of tip? Not many I bet. Why don't you grant them additional tips by telling them they don't need to comb their hair nor renew their make up? Another tip would be for you to spread the sheets on the bed yourself and dispose of the sheets afterwards.I'm not much of a tipper, I've seen what it does to the 'scene' in Asia. Essentially dudes come in with their ego. Splash the cash and the girls are no longer hungry. They've been fed and don't want to perform, don't show up, or have no work ethic. They also judge you against the best tipper they ever had. Ask a Filipina how much she gets for a shag and she'll often respond with the very best tip she ever received by some two-week-millionaire. 'uh, ah. I get 5,000 php a session' - yeah right.
When Dietzenbach was $30 euro I gave exactly 30 euro. Everyone was happy. Now that many places have moved to 40 e. I will admit I sometimes give 50 e. Simply as I don't have the change. I'd say that happens 30% of the time. If the girl is bad. I will gladly stand there waiting for my 10 e change.
If guys are tipping more than this. They should be thrown out of the club by other guys. It's insane. I often heard the motto 'you take care of the scene, and I'll take care of myself' - but that isn't sustainable. If you overtip you hurt the scene for the next guy after you.
As a general rule. Just don't frigging tip.
Steve 9696
01-04-19, 03:01
Generics w / o a doubt can be inconsistent. Suhagra and Silagra same thing made by Cipla I think; I have used both. I also use the Kamarga (Ajanta) another Indian maker. I find them all the same but sometimes as you experienced the results are not the same. About ten years ago I split one of these generics in half and went to see a girl and performed barely. The next day I went to see another girl and took the second half and I was fucking Superman, it was as if 80 percent or more of the active ingredient were in one half of the pill however in recent years I have found ' all halves are equal' although I do notice some ' fulls' are not equal to others.
The cause of inconsistency I have no clue but we do know they aren't subject to FDA regulations. I have taken a 100 MG before sat on a Dietz couch for an hour and felt nothing other times I take 100 MG pill and and up with a hard on from visuals. So yes, I do overdose for two reasons.
1) inconsistency in the product and.
2) It simply wears off.
My bigger issue is I walk in to a club at 11, eat, wait one hour take a pill and at 1 PM I am ready to fuck. Come 4 PM it is starting to wear off so I take a little more or if I fuck soon enough I don't take more but eventually after eating dinner and time passing I need to take more so 150-300 MG a day is not unheard of. Than add in a little more at 3 Am in the RLD.
In light of this I am thinking Viagra alone even a phizer may not be the answer for the guy looking to boost his system for a period of 5+ hours unless one exceeds the daily recommended use.
I am going to try Chongmal's route of Cialis this next trip and in fact will test one today just need ' the Austin inventory' to wake up and see who is online to book and at that point I will take the pill. Yesterday I went and picked up (20) 20 MG. However they are Indian.
https://www.alldaychemist.com/ceebis-tadafil-20mg-tablet.html
Per the guy I got them from (in exchange for gel packs) this is the best generic Cialis he has used. We will see. FWIW I wanted Cialis for long lasting but he tells me Cialis does last him 2-3 pops as Chongmal reports but after 2-3 loads regardless of time it loses some punch. For this reason he wanted a gel pack. I plan the same, try out this pill and boost it with gel packs or a Viagra pill split up later in the day or I will simply take a troche.
Check this link out, these pharmacies are all over the country, Rx required but it is by far the fastest acting and w / o doubt zero inconsistency between doses, all 60 MG equally is what I get so a Cialis at club opening or an hour after I eat followed by a gel pack OR a troche later in the day might reduce the intake I need. I often find the gel packs too sometimes are not all equal and often I think one gel pack (100 MG) is weaker than the 60 MG troche and cost wise it is $3. 00 per troche, it is compound that is poured, by far if living stateside and you can't get brand name Cialis or Viagra the compound is by far the most effective product!
http://anrpharmacy.com/erectile-dysfunction/
On one of my first visits to Sharks I sold one (might have given) to a German attendee and he loved it, ended up buying the balance off me. The German liked it. His friends loved it. That should tell you all you need. For your best FKK experience be it club advise, a girl's service or the effectiveness of an ED drug simply play ' Follow / coat tail / listen to the German' for best results. It works. As to the females in general and my experiences the German girls also pay higher dividends in service levels and attitudes.
And on the matter of attitudes I can easily tie it in to ' the inconsistency' you refer too, if the girl has a bad attitude the drugs won't do shit as your ' mental-physical' connection will be going in opposite directions likewise if the WG has a great attitude (which is one reason I find paying 100 at Mainhatten for stress free guaranteed service beats paying 50 and ' possibly' being stressed out by some gazelle or kunt at Oase / Sharks') and if your mind isn't in the game the pills / gels / troches will not work so perhaps that could be part of what you are experiencing or for that matter not experiencing; drugs not the proper dosage as advertised or hiring a kunt or performance anxiety or feeling rushed etc will ruin any cock juiced up or not on Viagra / Cialis / Levitra.
Good luck.I can recommend Revatio from Lemonaid Health. Revatio is same med as Viagra and FDA cleared butbusually prescribed for a different purpose. You have to do a form and a chat video to get a prescription. Double bonus is it does not look like Viagra if accidentally happened upon by your SO.
I hate to speak about money with girls, making me think about grocery for sex, I hate upselling, killing my illusion, I left rooms with Luci or Mady who was my GF at History Basel Liestal and never repeated, I never tip, my only tip is to repeat as long I enjoy, but I don't think all girls worth same rate. I hate to spend 50 or 100 for a average room with a GND, I prefer to pay more expensive for a beauty at Palace and for excellence at Globe, when Germany is down for me at the moment. I like what I felt on last Friday, when I was disappointed because of bad snow for my ski plus one more injury, so I preferred to give up, waiting for better snow, so I returned to Globe. After watching Bormio and Semmering. At, I saw a desirable 27 yo Hungarian, 1 rare exceptional hour, 260 , and as soon we finished shower and kissing after I paid, I felt I wanted her again. Great feeling, when I m not interested just to fuck a piece of meat.
I prefer to pay more expensive for better quality, but also have to make the girl gives You quality, willing to please you.I don't want to give my money to clubs I judge low level, for club services or for girls.
ExpatLover
01-04-19, 07:31
I can recommend Revatio from Lemonaid Health. Revatio is same med as Viagra and FDA cleared butbusually prescribed for a different purpose. You have to do a form and a chat video to get a prescription. Double bonus is it does not look like Viagra if accidentally happened upon by your SO.I can recommend nothing, I will never understand why to take Viagra to go with a prostitute, if we can t just wait until we really are hungry for sex. So we will safe a lot of money and precious time to do other things.
KK,
Thanks a lot for your info and advice.
Kosher Kowboy
01-04-19, 14:06
I can recommend Revatio from Lemonaid Health. Revatio is same med as Viagra and FDA cleared butbusually prescribed for a different purpose. You have to do a form and a chat video to get a prescription. Double bonus is it does not look like Viagra if accidentally happened upon by your SO.I googled it, it does appear the same as Viagra and the secondary ailment treatment is the same Viagra also treats; I could not find a difference besides the name. Why can't a US Doctor not just prescribe it? One problem with both Viagra and Cialis with myself and I am sure others are the fact the insurance companies reject the pharmacy claim with a code ' PA" or prior authorization which is a multi page form the doctor than needs fill out (takes time and they hate them) and they need state all other options failed, patient needs this item etc. I got hit with a PA on simple generic Nexium for heartburn the doctor said screw it wrote me an Rx for generic Prilosec pretty much the same thing. How would you compare the two drugs side by side.
I now take a Cialis 20 MG the night before I go to FKK and then one 50 MG Veetab about 2 HR prior to visit and sometimes (if it doesn't work) I take another 50 MG during my visit.
It sort of sucks due to inconsistency issues:
1. Often typical with Viagra and over medicating.
2. The Cialis (India) doesn't kick in within 15 min as it's supposed to. Even within 2-4 hours. I take night before as it's always there the next day. However, I never get a rock-hard-erection with Cialis. And if the girl is rude / not into it. I will lose the erection. Then the rest of the session is me trying to get a spaghetti noodle into the hole with a coat-hanger and some string. Meh.
The best source I've found are the Viagra gels you can get in Pattaya and Bangkok. But those give me some heart palps about 20 min after taking them. So I avoid them. Still. Max effect with no problem crossing.
Do the gel packs you see from Thailand look like these? This brand makes two gels the exact same one is a square (as pictured) the other a rectangle only difference is the packaging.
https://www.alldaychemist.com/week-pack-kamagra-oral-jelly-100mg.html
1) I have had the issue of not being able to finish with Viagra as if I wait between sessions a few hours and if I eat as well (carbs and high fat as well as sodium can all lessen the effects of the residual left in your body rendering what is in you useless requiring one to dose up again and at some point I too hit that can't cum or need handjobs as I am too tired to pump away but perhaps my excercise regiment will help that.
2) I too have the ' girl is a kunt ruining the session'; or if I feel she is rushed. Even an Oase girl I have seen many times for just a basic S&F 50 wants out of the room in 15-20 and knowing this ruins it, I am concentrating and in her head I know all she thinks is ' hurry up you loser, I need to go hunt for more money' so I toss her 50 euros extra to blow my load in her mouth. I never feel this pressure in the states or for that matter in Mainhatten, the girls are not kunts nor am I rushed.
Ok, so I gave Cialis a shot yesterday after reading Chongmal's post the next morning (two days ago) I went and picked up a 20 pack of 20 MG Cialis tabs. Yesterday I took one an hour after I ate went online and found an available hooker. One hour later maybe 75 minutes I showed up. System worked but I didn't feel that raging hard on I do with Viagra. However no issues finishing in normal time. I went to the gym, got in my workout clothes and got a text from another she was around. Something mental upstairs connected to my nuts and I started getting wood and sent her a ' be right there text' in an hour. I got to her place and my cock was rock hard, very sensitive and I banged her quite hard. The drug IMHO seemed to work better not within that hour that Viagra takes to work but 2-3 hours after ingestion. My second fuck of the day on Cialis worked great but a few times I thought I felt nothing but that was mainly a case of her pussy being so fucking god dam loose so when I put her knees together and legs up and clamped her legs together she got tight and I blew in her within a minute.
2-3 hours later I felt ready again but experiment was over. The Cialis worked great. No way it is good for a second day, one day max but it will easily get me thru the first two girls and had I been in say Sharks I would have popped one girl by noon or 1 Pm and a 2nd girl around 3 or 4 latest than ate dinner. For the third pop I do not think Cialis will work after the time and food so will probably take a gel pack for number 3 or simply try the 3rd round on Cialis and see but Cialis was a winner. CEEBIS brand. Indian.
May I ask why you take the Cialis the night before and not the day of? Does it really last you 24--36 hours because I would say it lasted me 5-6 hours until I felt I needed a boost but yesterday was practice. I do think the third time might work in a club as mentally when thinking of both classy and classless Gypies long after I took the Cialis I was pretty sure if I was solicited by a hunting Shark I probably would have been hard and had to conceal the hard on or if in Dietz no need; half the guys walking to the room are poking out of their towels since the girls get you hard on the couch :D
But no Dietz or little to no Dietz this trip as usual with early January ( and September) the married tripods crowd the joint up, the LU is thin and the girls are overfucked and tripods leave unfucked with swollen eggs! of my 5 or 6 favorites only 3 will be there, even Monday thru Friday suck, the guys who sprung loose from family will jam the joint for the first two weeks. Every lineup in 2019 has sucked and just got word today sucks too! I was informed 7 Gypsies on the open; they really need 15 on to meet demand.
Many mongers don't realize that using about 80% of a session time or a little overpaying is the form of tipping. When you go to restaurant, hair salon or any other type of service business in Germany, you usually need tipping for its service, although the amount is not as much as in America percentage-wise. Sex business in Germany is not exceptional and there are three ways of tipping: using around 80%% of session time, a little overpaying and actual tip. I think this is a solid synopsis. I've gotten into the habit of tipping 10 e at Frankfurt clubs for 50 euro sessions if it was a solid and full 30 m session. I don't do it as much in NRW for whatever reason. On the other hand I don't usually tip for 1 hour sessions but that has had adverse effects at Oase. I've had girls give me fabulous 100 euro 1 hour sessions but were cold to me after the room, not all but some. Claudia specifically politely declined my offers for a repeat session despite a wonderful room. More recently, I talked her into going into a room and gave a meager 10 e extra and it has been smooth sailing ever sense.
Other forms of tipping are buying her one drink or for some mongers and some girls, sharing a joint.
Point is, a simple tip in whatever form goes a long way. You can "fight the good fight" and maintain a strict "no tipping" policy but what's the end game there? As long as you're not throwing around unearned 50 and 100 e notes, you're not destroying the industry. And obviously don't reward the ones who insist on it.
Keep it classy and do it in a way that portrays, "I choose to give you this,"not"I am giving you this because you asked."
Steve 9696
01-04-19, 20:19
I googled it, it does appear the same as Viagra and the secondary ailment treatment is the same Viagra also treats; I could not find a difference besides the name. Why can't a US Doctor not just prescribe it? One problem with both Viagra and Cialis with myself and I am sure others are the fact the insurance companies reject the pharmacy claim with a code ' PA" or prior authorization which is a multi page form the doctor than needs fill out (takes time and they hate them) and they need state all other options failed, patient needs this item etc. I got hit with a PA on simple generic Nexium for heartburn the doctor said screw it wrote me an Rx for generic Prilosec pretty much the same thing. How would you compare the two drugs side by side.
Do the gel packs you see from Thailand look like these? This brand makes two gels the exact same one is a square (as pictured) the other a rectangle only difference is the packaging.
https://www.alldaychemist.com/week-pack-kamagra-oral-jelly-100mg.html
1) I have had the issue of not being able to finish with Viagra as if I wait between sessions a few hours and if I eat as well (carbs and high fat as well as sodium can all lessen the effects of the residual left in your body rendering what is in you useless requiring one to dose up again and at some point I too hit that can't cum or need handjobs as I am too tired to pump away but perhaps my excercise regiment will help that.
2) I too have the ' girl is a kunt ruining the session'; or if I feel she is rushed. Even an Oase girl I have seen many times for just a basic S&F 50 wants out of the room in 15-20 and knowing this ruins it, I am concentrating and in her head I know all she thinks is ' hurry up you loser, I need to go hunt for more money' so I toss her 50 euros extra to blow my load in her mouth. I never feel this pressure in the states or for that matter in Mainhatten, the girls are not kunts nor am I rushed.
Ok, so I gave Cialis a shot yesterday after reading Chongmal's post the next morning (two days ago) I went and picked up a 20 pack of 20 MG Cialis tabs. Yesterday I took one an hour after I ate went online and found an available hooker. One hour later maybe 75 minutes I showed up. System worked but I didn't feel that raging hard on I do with Viagra. However no issues finishing in normal time. I went to the gym, got in my workout clothes and got a text from another she was around. Something mental upstairs connected to my nuts and I started getting wood and sent her a ' be right there text' in an hour. I got to her place and my cock was rock hard, very sensitive and I banged her quite hard. The drug IMHO seemed to work better not within that hour that Viagra takes to work but 2-3 hours after ingestion. My second fuck of the day on Cialis worked great but a few times I thought I felt nothing but that was mainly a case of her pussy being so fucking god dam loose so when I put her knees together and legs up and clamped her legs together she got tight and I blew in her within a minute.
2-3 hours later I felt ready again but experiment was over. The Cialis worked great. No way it is good for a second day, one day max but it will easily get me thru the first two girls and had I been in say Sharks I would have popped one girl by noon or 1 Pm and a 2nd girl around 3 or 4 latest than ate dinner. For the third pop I do not think Cialis will work after the time and food so will probably take a gel pack for number 3 or simply try the 3rd round on Cialis and see but Cialis was a winner. CEEBIS brand. Indian.
May I ask why you take the Cialis the night before and not the day of? Does it really last you 24--36 hours because I would say it lasted me 5-6 hours until I felt I needed a boost but yesterday was practice. I do think the third time might work in a club as mentally when thinking of both classy and classless Gypies long after I took the Cialis I was pretty sure if I was solicited by a hunting Shark I probably would have been hard and had to conceal the hard on or if in Dietz no need; half the guys walking to the room are poking out of their towels since the girls get you hard on the couch :D
But no Dietz or little to no Dietz this trip as usual with early January ( and September) the married tripods crowd the joint up, the LU is thin and the girls are overfucked and tripods leave unfucked with swollen eggs! of my 5 or 6 favorites only 3 will be there, even Monday thru Friday suck, the guys who sprung loose from family will jam the joint for the first two weeks. Every lineup in 2019 has sucked and just got word today sucks too! I was informed 7 Gypsies on the open; they really need 15 on to meet demand.I think it would be no problem for a regular doc to prescribe Revatio. I didn't want it on my medical record for my SO to see. So that is why I went Lemonaid Health. They have an app where you do a questionnaire and hit a button and the video interview with the doctor starts. It's super high tech and easy. I think I am paying about $6 a dose which lasts a good 4-5 hour FKK session.
ExpatLover
01-04-19, 21:17
I buy Indian meds (mostly from Cambodia & Thailand. Now from an Indian website) for the last 18+ years. In the past a 50 MG Veetab worked for me in the FKK for 4+ hours. However, in recent years with advancing age and probably lowering testosterone and other compiling issues. Nothing much happens.
I now take a Cialis 20 MG the night before I go to FKK and then one 50 MG Veetab about 2 HR prior to visit and sometimes (if it doesn't work) I take another 50 MG during my visit.
It sort of sucks due to inconsistency issues:
1. If all the meds kick in. I get a raging hard-on (even just visuals) and I have to walk to the room with my girl while physically holding my cock down (embarrassing) even worse, I have such a Viagra-dick that I can't cross. Can pound away for an hour and no release. Often typical with Viagra and over medicating.
2. The Cialis (India) doesn't kick in within 15 min as it's supposed to. Even within 2-4 hours. I take night before as it's always there the next day. However, I never get a rock-hard-erection with Cialis. And if the girl is rude / not into it. I will lose the erection. Then the rest of the session is me trying to get a spaghetti noodle into the hole with a coat-hanger and some string. Meh..Fucking prostitutes with so much Viagra what a great performance.
Kosher Kowboy
01-05-19, 01:08
I think it would be no problem for a regular doc to prescribe Revatio. I didn't want it on my medical record for my SO to see. So that is why I went Lemonaid Health. They have an app where you do a questionnaire and hit a button and the video interview with the doctor starts. It's super high tech and easy. I think I am paying about $6 a dose which lasts a good 4-5 hour FKK session.Thanks Steve will look in to it after the next trip my arsenal is currently full. $6 a pop is cheap. I am going to give Cialis a go this trip after my test run yesterday which proved to be most successful and this morning 24 hours after taking the pill it hit me again and had to go drop 100 bucks on a QV. The shit works well.
The problem for me comes back to the 4-5 hour ' life of Viagra' thing till it wears off for me it is quicker it seem. That is the problem with Viaga. For one or two fucks in a 2-3 hour span or one trip the RLD Vitamin V is great but for these all day marathons Cialis may be the best bet will find out next trip. The only way to fuck on the blue pill for 10-12 hours is to overdose and dinner in the middle literally kills anything left in the system from earlier at least for me.
Wow!! This is crazy expensive. Revatio is just plain Sildenafil. So how many milligram are we talking, if you say a "dose"? 20 milligramm?
Here is what I am on: https://www.europa-apotheek.com/sildenafil-basics-50-mg-filmtabletten-10794768.html.
You can get this price in NL or DE. Yes, you need a prescription. So a 50 MG dose is less than 1 euro. If you go for the 90 pills in box deal, 1 pill is about 66 euro cent.
I think it would be no problem for a regular doc to prescribe Revatio. I didn't want it on my medical record for my SO to see. So that is why I went Lemonaid Health. They have an app where you do a questionnaire and hit a button and the video interview with the doctor starts. It's super high tech and easy. I think I am paying about $6 a dose which lasts a good 4-5 hour FKK session.
Kosher Kowboy
01-05-19, 02:48
Wow!! This is crazy expensive. Revatio is just plain Sildenafil. So how many milligram are we talking, if you say a "dose"? 20 milligramm?
Here is what I am on: https://www.europa-apotheek.com/sildenafil-basics-50-mg-filmtabletten-10794768.html.
You can get this price in NL or DE. Yes, you need a prescription. So a 50 MG dose is less than 1 euro. If you go for the 90 pills in box deal, 1 pill is about 66 euro cent.For the US $6 a dose is cheap for an actual Rx you pick up from a pharmacy (as opposed to ordering from India.). I am going to guess the dose is 50 or 100 MG, unless Steve is a stud fresh out of the stable it might be 20 or 25 either way $6 in this screwed up health care system for what you get out of it is good. Even the Generic Viagras here retail at close to $40 a pill regardless if a 25 50 or 100 MG is purchased. Phizer is more than a half hour with a Shark.
It is a joke here what medicine costs not to mention ridiculous premiums for insurance per month.
Steve 9696
01-05-19, 02:56
For the US $6 a dose is cheap for an actual Rx you pick up from a pharmacy (as opposed to ordering from India.). I am going to guess the dose is 50 or 100 MG, unless Steve is a stud fresh out of the stable it might be 20 or 25 either way $6 in this screwed up health care system for what you get out of it is good. Even the Generic Viagras here retail at close to $40 a pill regardless if a 25 50 or 100 MG is purchased. Phizer is more than a half hour with a Shark.
It is a joke here what medicine costs not to mention ridiculous premiums for insurance per month.Revatio is 20 MG per pill so you can customize dosage well. It's about $2/ pill from Lemonaid and I found 60 mg is good for me. When I was running low I did a 40 and it was fine too. So $5-10 depending on what you require. Totally noise level when you are dropping anywhere from $150-$1000 a night depending on venue and number of girls.
Some advice guys?
And yes I RTFF. Anyway its been a long time since I have been in Europe (2011?) and the last time, I had a great time in FKK Oase in Frankfurt, such a good time I may add, that's its the only one I went to. Except for one in Saarbrucken, which sucked. I never even made World, although I was close (I stayed in Bad Homburg).
I'm living in Bangkok and am going back to the USA in April for the summer, which sucks here. I can fly cheap to Frankfurt so figured I could circumnavigate the globe (I flew into BKK from the East Coast of the USA west).
I enjoyed Oase because of the facilities, in fact, I stayed there one day from like noon till close.
I know there are a whole bunch of FKKs in the Frankfurt area. I think I will stay around there 2 or 3 days, maybe then go to Budapest and fly back to the US from there.
Now keep in mind that here in Bangkok, I can get a hottie for $60 or less.
I am looking for a place to chill, relax and maybe pop a few. So with that (and I have read all the recent posts), what is the FKK of choice. I can stay near one, and will be using public transport. I like them skinny by the way.
Der Auslander
01-05-19, 04:58
Some advice guys?
Anyway its been a long time since I have been in Europe (2011?) and the last time, I had a great time in FKK Oase in Frankfurt,
I'm living in Bangkok... Now keep in mind that here in Bangkok, I can get a hottie for $60 or less.For $60 you should be able to get a bit of a tumble / fumble in FKK Oase for 30 minutes. Or is that 20 minutes tumble and fumble and 10 minutes being told to hurry up!
Mind you don't CIM and blow the budget!
:D
If you're going in the winter I'm not so sure Oase's facilities makes up for the upsell if you're looking to spend only $60/50 euro per session.
Not that the upsell situation is all that much better, but if you haven't been since 2011, Sharks is worth checking out since was not around back in 2011. It has the most skinny girls and as well as most total girls in Frankfurt area.
Some advice guys?
And yes I RTFF. Anyway its been a long time since I have been in Europe (2011?) and the last time, I had a great time in FKK Oase in Frankfurt, such a good time I may add, that's its the only one I went to. Except for one in Saarbrucken, which sucked. I never even made World, although I was close (I stayed in Bad Homburg).
I'm living in Bangkok and am going back to the USA in April for the summer, which sucks here. I can fly cheap to Frankfurt so figured I could circumnavigate the globe (I flew into BKK from the East Coast of the USA west).
I enjoyed Oase because of the facilities, in fact, I stayed there one day from like noon till close.
I know there are a whole bunch of FKKs in the Frankfurt area. I think I will stay around there 2 or 3 days, maybe then go to Budapest and fly back to the US from there.
Now keep in mind that here in Bangkok, I can get a hottie for $60 or less.
I am looking for a place to chill, relax and maybe pop a few. So with that (and I have read all the recent posts), what is the FKK of choice. I can stay near one, and will be using public transport. I like them skinny by the way.
Steve 9696
01-05-19, 05:26
Some advice guys?
And yes I RTFF. Anyway its been a long time since I have been in Europe (2011?) and the last time, I had a great time in FKK Oase in Frankfurt, such a good time I may add, that's its the only one I went to. Except for one in Saarbrucken, which sucked. I never even made World, although I was close (I stayed in Bad Homburg).
I'm living in Bangkok and am going back to the USA in April for the summer, which sucks here. I can fly cheap to Frankfurt so figured I could circumnavigate the globe (I flew into BKK from the East Coast of the USA west).
I enjoyed Oase because of the facilities, in fact, I stayed there one day from like noon till close.
I know there are a whole bunch of FKKs in the Frankfurt area. I think I will stay around there 2 or 3 days, maybe then go to Budapest and fly back to the US from there.
Now keep in mind that here in Bangkok, I can get a hottie for $60 or less.
I am looking for a place to chill, relax and maybe pop a few. So with that (and I have read all the recent posts), what is the FKK of choice. I can stay near one, and will be using public transport. I like them skinny by the way.KK is singing the praises of Mainhattan of late. Says they are more chill and less upsell.
BTW if anyone here knows anything about the scene in Graz, including Claudius Caesar I'd be grateful for the guidance.
Ok, so I gave Cialis a shot yesterday after reading Chongmal'sI'm glad that day one worked out. I have the benefit of an ex in Europe with the generic version from the pharmacy. I read some reports of inconsistency from the Indian suppliers. What I use seems 100% consistently. I did say one of the advantages I liked about Cialis above Viagra is that Cialis requires some level of sexual excitement to trigger a reaction, where Viagra seems to have a ready go timer and it doesn't matter what is happening around you. The interesting side of the experiment is to find a number 3 for the next day and see what happens. If you don't want to do a full hunt, maybe just go to Hooters and have some Chicken wings and see if the urge doesn't come on strong.
If layering multi varieties of ED drugs or taking large doses, I would advise having a portable blood pressure monitor, at least the fit few times. ED drugs are all essentially a type of High Blood Pressure med. I did have one day I took a bad combo of water, food, ED drugs and sexercise. My BP dropped, I was dizzy as all hell and couldn't get out of the couch for almost two hours while waiting to get stable enough to walk.
Happy hunting.
KK is singing the praises of Mainhattan of late. Says they are more chill and less upsell.
BTW if anyone here knows anything about the scene in Graz, including Claudius Caesar I'd be grateful for the guidance.In my view the whole scene in Austria, including Graz, is weak compared to Germany. I would not return to that country for mongering. The only good (but expensive) FKK option for Germany in Europe is Switzerland. Spain is another good option, but does not have the FKK model, which I prefer.
I think this is a solid synopsis. I've gotten into the habit of tipping 10 e at Frankfurt clubs for 50 euro sessions if it was a solid and full 30 m session. I don't do it as much in NRW for whatever reason. On the other hand I don't usually tip for 1 hour sessions but that has had adverse effects at Oase. I've had girls give me fabulous 100 euro 1 hour sessions but were cold to me after the room, not all but some. Claudia specifically politely declined my offers for a repeat session despite a wonderful room. More recently, I talked her into going into a room and gave a meager 10 e extra and it has been smooth sailing ever sense.
Other forms of tipping are buying her one drink or for some mongers and some girls, sharing a joint.
Point is, a simple tip in whatever form goes a long way. You can "fight the good fight" and maintain a strict "no tipping" policy but what's the end game there? As long as you're not throwing around unearned 50 and 100 e notes, you're not destroying the industry. And obviously don't reward the ones who insist on it.
Keep it classy and do it in a way that portrays, "I choose to give you this,"not"I am giving you this because you asked."You are absolutely right and I completely agree with you although in my post I classified buying her one drink + a session or a gift + a session to a little overpaying, a form of tipping.
2. I like to exaggerate, but I know plenty of Americans who always tip 20% anywhere. So it is neighter 15 nor 30%. It seems to me to be 20% flat tipping amount. In Europe 10% is standard in restaurants. For other services like taxi etc, most people just round it up to a more even number. And up to 10%. But in an FKK, I would suggest the 10% to be more the norm if you spend all of the time as Bfsie points out. Two or three girls over the years have actually used my 100% of time spent as an excuse not to go with me. But after info from other girls they know whom I didn't tip for various reasons. So Bfsie's points are very valid. But as for the touristic clubs (same tipping application applies in Thailand tourist areas too by the way) in Frankfurt, the one annoying part is that nobody should ask for tip beforehand. And the tip percentages they ask for there is way too high. Like 50-100% more. Not 10%.
3. It is more likely you would get 45 minutes with 5 pleasure points, and 15 minutes with 8.I totally agree with you that the WGs in the tourist-dominated FKK clubs can be or are usually very excessive and I would classify it to rip-off.
BigBuddy69
01-05-19, 10:34
I have a strict "no money-no time" tipping policy. Actually most of the girls do reverse tipping and give me a few minutes more when I take them (mostly one hour). But I have a "chocolate and lingerie" tipping policy.
Well. As said: In Germany you get one generic Viagra 50 MG in a regular pharmacy for 90 or 66 cent a 50 MG piece depending on the wether you order 50 or 100 packages. So that is like 7-10 times cheaper in Germany and it is safe and legal. The only prob for foreigner is to get a valid doctor's prescription, but I know one pharmacist who gives me those pills even without prescription. So I can safe the trip to the doctor every now and then.
For the US $6 a dose is cheap for an actual Rx you pick up from a pharmacy (as opposed to ordering from India.). I am going to guess the dose is 50 or 100 MG, unless Steve is a stud fresh out of the stable it might be 20 or 25 either way $6 in this screwed up health care system for what you get out of it is good. Even the Generic Viagras here retail at close to $40 a pill regardless if a 25 50 or 100 MG is purchased. Phizer is more than a half hour with a Shark.
It is a joke here what medicine costs not to mention ridiculous premiums for insurance per month.
I didn't want it on my medical record for my SO to see. So that is why I went Lemonaid Health. They have an app where you do a questionnaire and hit a button and the video interview with the doctor starts. It's super high tech and easy.Can you elaborate on this Lemonaid Health thing? I can easily google search about it. I guess what I prefer to find out is from individuals who have actually used it. I mean. What is the consultation fee? You install the App and use the App as kind of like WhatsApp to video chat with a doctor? Can you just hit the button anytime without making any appointment in advance (as you would do before seeing a doctor in person)? Didn't you imply that there will NOT be any medical record left behind for people to trace it? What kind of questions did the doctor ask you? What kind of excuses did you come up with to tell him that you need Viagra or something?
Other important questions are these. For every consultation, how many refills and how many pills per refill did the doctor prescribe you? Do you get enough pills that can last for couple years or more (depending on how much you do FKK)? I would hate to pay the consultation fee every year just to get a prescription that may last for only few months or one year. In general, when you see a primary care doctor in person, he gives you prescription that is valid for one year only. If you want more, you have to see the doctor and pay the visit fee again. I guess that's how the doctor wants to make money by making you to see him regularly simply for a prescription renewal.
For the US $6 a dose is cheap for an actual Rx you pick up from a pharmacy ... Even the Generic Viagras here retail at close to $40 a pill regardless if a 25 50 or 100 MG is purchased.I hope your $40/pill statement is just a hyperbole or an exaggeration. Otherwise, that's not a correct statement for generic Viagra. Here is the site that I got from listening to the radio ads many times on my way driving home from work. This is a legit brick and mortar pharmacy in North Carolina that has tapped into the online prescription trend.
www.marleygenerics.com
As indicated on this site, the generic Viagra (Sildenafil) is only $10 per tablet (100 MG equivalent) which requires a prescription from your doctor. (Note that Viagra is the marketing name. The actual chemical used to make the pill is known as Sildenafil.) An average monger typically uses 50 MG which comes out to be $5 a dose.
Well. As said: In Germany you get one generic Viagra 50 MG in a regular pharmacy for 90 or 66 cent a 50 MG piece depending on the weather you order 50 or 100 packages. The only prob for foreigner is to get a valid doctor's prescription, but I know one pharmacist who gives me those pills even without prescription.
Regarding to the pharmacist who gave you the pills without prescription, did he give you the pills because he already knew you or you're already a regular customer there? You didn't mean any foreigner can just walk up to him to order the pills. Did you? How did you get a valid doctor's prescription to begin with? You're a foreigner. Aren't you?
Kosher Kowboy
01-05-19, 15:46
I hope this is just a hyperbole or an exaggeration. Otherwise, that's not a correct statement for generic Viagra. Here is the site that I got from listening to the radio ads many times on my way driving home from work. This is a legit brick and mortar pharmacy in North Carolina that has tapped into the online prescription trend.
www.marleygenerics.com
As indicated on this site, the generic Viagra (Sildenafil) is only $10 per tablet (100 MG equivalent) which requires a prescription from your doctor. (Note that Viagra is the marketing name. The actual chemical used to make the pill is known as Sildenafil.) An average monger typically uses 50 MG which comes out to be $5 a dose.
I was going off the typical Walgreens, CVS price lists for the generic Viagras than went on the link below we use for cheaper Rx prices often with coupons. Thanks for the Marleys link, I looked on there (may have missed it) but they clearly do use the term Viagra preceded by generic but are they a pharmacy making their own generics or are they importing the generics from abroad as they say their prices are based on acquisition costs. I was using this link, plug in the zip code and it does appear Costco and WalMart in my area are having sales with the coupons while Walgreens and CVS are still priced high where I was looking but they have a coupon now. Seems the pharmacies here are close to $10 a pill as well just not sure if these are the same ones I can buy from abroad myself??
After this trip I will have my Uro send over the Rx to a pharmacy here and see how the generics sold here compare to the Kamarga ones I am stocked up on now.
https://www.goodrx.com/viagra ( There is a Lemonaid link on the page too)
I will probably also pursue the Cialis options as well given how impressed I was the other day, for FKK days Cialis may be better for 10-14 hour runs, and Viagra I can use at home for the one time fucks.
Thanks for the link; I really do not know why with all the compound pharmacies and ' marley' like pharmacies as well as Canadian ones why Phizer just doesn't drop their prices given the profit margins even if they cut their prices by 75 percent are still massive; they could literally sell much more than they do now and make even more.
Or is it the pharmacies that are jacking us?
I have to say every time I get my hand on a Phizer it does work best of all the pill forms. I bought a bunch in Panama City my last time there ($15-$20) each and when they ran out I noticed a difference. Phizer seems to have some ' added ingredient' in it that produces a buzz like feeling almost euphoric and it is that feeling in my experiences that still puts Phizer a step above the rest. No one can duplicate it IMHO (yet).
Chongmal, what is a pancake session? You mean a threesome?Pancake session means a session that takes at least one hour. Usually even over 2 hours or longer. The Dutch often speak about pancakes when the want to says something about the time spent on the room.
If you're going in the winter I'm not so sure Oase's facilities makes up for the upsell if you're looking to spend only $60/50 euro per session.
Not that the upsell situation is all that much better, but if you haven't been since 2011, Sharks is worth checking out since was not around back in 2011. It has the most skinny girls and as well as most total girls in Frankfurt area.What is the best option for the next week for someone who has not been before, Shark or Oase?
Reading these forums I get the impression that Sharks wins on value, experience and choice.
Der Auslander
01-05-19, 22:11
What is the best option for the next week for someone who has not been before, Shark or Oase?
Reading these forums I get the impression that Sharks wins on value, experience and choice.Yes. I guess for a first time FKK experience, if I had to choose one of the two clubs you have mentioned, I would probably go with Sharks.
Probably because generally speaking (in my experience) the girls are ever so slightly easier to deal with. But that said you can have a good or a bad time in either club if you don't know what you are about.
Whichever club you choose my advice would be to try and do the simple things correctly; like don't tell the girls you are a first timer. Maybe pay 100 for an hour as opposed to 30 minutes. Stay in a hotel which is close enough to the club so you don't have a tremendous journey to make at the end of the evening. Maybe try and hook up in the club with an ISG Member who is somewhat experienced in these matters for a chat and a beer when you are between ladies.
The lady line-ups will be somewhat diminished (in both clubs) for the next few weeks but there will be enough women for you to choose from.
The main thing is to be relaxed and have fun!
Steve 9696
01-05-19, 23:30
What is the best option for the next week for someone who has not been before, Shark or Oase?
Reading these forums I get the impression that Sharks wins on value, experience and choice.You will see a lot of talk on this forum from people who've been doing this for years and are jaded. Without exception the first time in an FKK you will say:
1 Holy fuck there are a lot of beautiful naked women here.
2 OMG surely I am dreaming.
3 Surely this can't be legal (it is!
Followed by. That was the best night of my life — when can I go back?
Since you rarely go I would not get too worked up about price. Much better to have a spectacular experience that you overpaid for than to go home with 50€ in your pocket and a disappointing experience.
+100000.
Period.
You will see a lot of talk on this forum from people who've been doing this for years and are jaded. Without exception the first time in an FKK you will say:
1 Holy fuck there are a lot of beautiful naked women here.
2 OMG surely I am dreaming.
3 Surely this can't be legal (it is!
Followed by. That was the best night of my life when can I go back?
Since you rarely go I would not get too worked up about price. Much better to have a spectacular experience that you overpaid for than to go home with 50 in your pocket and a disappointing experience.
Depends on what you are into:
Like me into into stunning, busty girls? I'd vote for Sharks. Nowhere is the selection so great. Especially naturally busty ones.
Into affordable full-service, try GoldenTime or LivingRoom.
Just into stunning, good looking faces? Yes, Oase, is nice for that.
What is the best option for the next week for someone who has not been before, Shark or Oase?
Reading these forums I get the impression that Sharks wins on value, experience and choice.
You will see a lot of talk on this forum from people who've been doing this for years and are jaded. Without exception the first time in an FKK you will say:
1 Holy fuck there are a lot of beautiful naked women here.
2 OMG surely I am dreaming.
3 Surely this can't be legal (it is!
Followed by. That was the best night of my life when can I go back?
Since you rarely go I would not get too worked up about price. Much better to have a spectacular experience that you overpaid for than to go home with 50 in your pocket and a disappointing experience.Definitely one of the best comments to a first timer. I totally agree. Don't be to fixated on where you get the most or best fuck for your buck, but enjoy your time in the club.
LaBambaBoy
01-06-19, 00:41
You will see a lot of talk on this forum from people who've been doing this for years and are jaded. Without exception the first time in an FKK you will say:
1 Holy fuck there are a lot of beautiful naked women here.
2 OMG surely I am dreaming.
3 Surely this can't be legal (it is!
Followed by. That was the best night of my life when can I go back?
Since you rarely go I would not get too worked up about price. Much better to have a spectacular experience that you overpaid for than to go home with 50 in your pocket and a disappointing experience.Pretty much exactly my experience. I got in the cab and told the driver "That place is goddamn Candy Land for gents."
I've got $1300 (US Dollars) for my trip next week.
Der Auslander
01-06-19, 00:42
Since you rarely go I would not get too worked up about price. Much better to have a spectacular experience that you overpaid for than to go home with 50 in your pocket and a disappointing experience.I would agree with these sentiments but know what the rates are (before you travel) including for extras. This is just common sense.
If you know it will be more difficult for the lady to charge you incorrectly.
I would not worry too much about loosing Euro 50 here or there particularly on a first visit but try and avoid being ripped off. Its very unlikely to happen (no matter what the club you visit) but I have witnessed guys (particularly Asian visitors) being asked to pay treble or quadruple the normal rate, which would have amounted to several hundred euro over what should have been the correct amount. As I say, these are worst case scenarios and unlikely to happen but in all such circumstances, knowledge is power.
Der Auslander
01-06-19, 01:08
I've got $1300 (US Dollars) for my trip next week.That's either a lot of money for one day FKK (including entry fee) or a small amount of money for four days FKK (including entry fees)!
:)
Kosher Kowboy
01-06-19, 02:32
I've got $1300 (US Dollars) for my trip next week.
That's either a lot of money for one day FKK (including entry fee) or a small amount of money for four days FKK (including entry fees)!
:)I'd have a tough time making that last 4 days, $1300 if my math is right comes out to 1130 Euros. 1130 in four days comes out to about 280 Euros a day. Assuming a car is roughly 30 a day (or public transport is 30) and club entry is 50 than 80 is gone just to step in the club which leaves the John only 200 Euros less any miscellaneous expenses (Doner kebaps, cigarettes, incidentals etc). I am 100 per session be it a Mainhatten half or a Sharks hour or giving Raissa 100 up the road to blow a load in her mouth.
This would mean cutting out my third session so La Bamba Boys budget would last me three days. At 50 e a session it would last with 50 e leftover for a late night visit to T32 or E44.
I think in order for La Bamba Boy to make this money last he needs to incorporate FKK Dietzenbach in to his rotation for two days as I do since the Creampie Express is 10 e RT, entry to Day Care is 30 e and (3) sessions is 120 e which would be a 160 Euro day and every Day Care day compounds to savings to use in the mainstream clubs to finance more expensive dates. However now that I do the Gypsies in doubles often the price for the day is the same as a day at Mainhatten.
Sometimes more considering the Gypsies are well tipped, I know that ' tip' is a four letter word in your book but they are the Gypsies. Anna :D deserves a tip. So does Steffi. :D So does Bianca :D and so do Becky, Susi, Selena :D , Dana :D, Alina, Elena and Amira.
Enjoy your trip and good luck La Bamba Boy.
LaBambaBoy
01-06-19, 04:14
I'd have a tough time making that last 4 days, $1300 if my math is right comes out to 1130 Euros. 1130 in four days comes out to about 280 Euros a day. Assuming a car is roughly 30 a day (or public transport is 30) and club entry is 50 than 80 is gone just to step in the club which leaves the John only 200 Euros less any miscellaneous expenses (Doner kebaps, cigarettes, incidentals etc). I am 100 per session be it a Mainhatten half or a Sharks hour or giving Raissa 100 up the road to blow a load in her mouth.
This would mean cutting out my third session so La Bamba Boys budget would last me three days. At 50 e a session it would last with 50 e leftover for a late night visit to T32 or E44.
I think in order for La Bamba Boy to make this money last he needs to incorporate FKK Dietzenbach in to his rotation for two days as I do since the Creampie Express is 10 e RT, entry to Day Care is 30 e and (3) sessions is 120 e which would be a 160 Euro day and every Day Care day compounds to savings to use in the mainstream clubs to finance more expensive dates..Ha! Yeah, I get a full day Tuesday (current plan is Dietz from noon til 4-5, then Sharks), then nothing until Friday night. Perhaps a quick trip to Rom, Mainhatten, Palace, or the RLD late evening one of the intervening days, but it would be short (2 hours ish). Having a car makes things more accessible, although Oase remains out of reach, as I will be well south of Darmstadt day to day.
So it is really about a day and a half. Seems a decent budget for that. Car is already paid for, so only gas expenses. And the $1300 is for mongering only, not for hotel, food, etc. So I should be able to tip without problem, at least at Dietz rates. Sharks is more. Interesting for sure, although I have tipped there.
My love for the rough and tumble of the RLD means I *have* to try Dietz this time; never know when my last visit will be, and Kosher has been all too descriptive.
Kosher, is that a decent list of who to look for at Dietz?
Kosher Kowboy
01-06-19, 16:14
My love for the rough and tumble of the RLD means I *have* to try Dietz this time; never know when my last visit will be, and Kosher has been all too descriptive.
Kosher, is that a decent list of who to look for at Dietz?Your car will help and ROM will stretch your budget too, I have yet to go but all 50's. I don't know one guy who has been there yet and not found a quality 50 even an idiot fly in like us Americans can do so!
At Sharks of all I have seen only Mandy and Luci (20 on the 100) got tipped. All of the Gypsies are good to me and still get tipped on the 40 sessions which normally last 15-30 minutes unless it is Anna being lazy who uses the full 30 not to make the john happy but to stall being grabbed too quick or having to tell guys no. Gypsy hours are full hours so their tip percentage vastly increases!! Rates are 40/70 and to figure out their tips I give it is simple math; there are no 5 10 or 20 notes in my box, only crisp 50 and 100 notes, the same ones the greedy RTGs and Sharks get. The Gypsies deserve the same :D
That list is partial, the green smiles are some of my regulars but they rotate. The LU is not good right now, the current lineups I have read and been told about by boots on the ground really suck, running at 50-75 percent tops now. All of the German men are back from holidays now and January and September (after summer holiday) are the worst months for Day Care as too many guys show up and too few girls to meet demand and their pussies are sore, loose (already are from a busy December) by 3-4 PM not the usual 6-7 PM. 12-16 Gypsies are needed minimum now and most times but thru middle of the month it is usually 7-12 if anymore we're lucky. Take out Andrea and Milena as non practicing the LU is even thinner. This is why I ended up at Sharks almost every day my trip this time last year.
Of the girls I named all are good but Bianca2 (not to be confused with the real Bianca) is young eye candy who has put on winter weight and many club regulars do not get a great session, she can be detached and robotic but one trip I did her daily. Elena has vastly improved her service to all guests but the first time can be awkward she doesn't like to be pounded either but now she is so loose (as is Alina) that she has no choice but to be pounded and accept it in light of the new girls stealing business. Amira has a permanent yellow caution light or in Europe I think it is a flashing green; very young hot everything but few report great service, if you have a below average dick and cum fast or if you are a tipper she will provide good service happily. Amira is best taken in a double. A few of us think Amira has a significant other who tells her by no means is she to come home loose at night so she does everything and anything to preserve her precious pussy and keep it tight and any cock of average thickness or above will be denied full penetration. (hence the need to take her in a double with a loose Gypsy which is basically all of them now.) FYI Steffi, Dana, Alina, Elena and Susi in that order are the loosest at this time. I have warned four guys about Amira alone, all took her, all came out of the room not happy. Susi is the veteran of the bunch will deliver a top session to all, suggest you see her as I suspect Susi may call it a night in the next year or two, been a long career and run for her. Selena is great too (best blowjob in town and finish as well) as she is the light version (second tightest pussy in the house behind precious Amira) and Dana is your go to girl under all conditions, good for any play will never drop the ball and can score anytime not one bad review all regulars I know have her in their harem, the common denominator of all Gypsy aficionados. If you have any doubt about any girl take her with Dana to the room; no girl will dare upset Dana and misbehave in the room and although she won't do it until they get upstairs out of male view Dana will tear apart any Gypsy she did a double with who didn't put in 50 percent of the work. Dana keeps the house in order, you will notice no other Gypsy will steal her couch either and will get up from her couch when Dana reappears, 'The Throne Of Dietzenbach' is where the Queen (Mother hen) sits and calls the shots. She also ensures Anna doesn't get too lazy in fact I saw her once tell Anna to get to work and stop goofing off (and Anna listened) There is a new girl Andra there (only seen pictures, beautiful) but getting fucked about 20 times a day, told the blowjob is terrible and she doesn't know what she is doing so you need to pair her up too with a good girl, I would suggest Steffi, ex-Globe, ex-Paradise a ' Dana' in her own way. Steffi is great, if you try to get to her couch and feel a foot shove you 20 feet away and steal her from you than odds are you met me, Steffi is currently my screensaver on my cell phone :D
' All it takes is one' so go fight the January battle on Voltastrasse, of the Gypsies above some will be there some won't next week and the week after.
CoolManFever84
01-06-19, 16:14
Hello all,
I will be visiting Frankfurt and Cologne for business trip in March. I plan to visit FKK Oasis just because it is the most popular club on this forum. But I have budget and time to visit two more FKK clubs. What are other two clubs in Frankfurt or Cologne will have the hottest number of selection of women available?
LaBambaBoy
01-06-19, 19:28
Your car will help and ROM will stretch your budget too, I have yet to go but all 50's. I don't know one guy who has been there yet and not found a quality 50 even an idiot fly in like us Americans can do so!
At Sharks of all I have seen only Mandy and Luci (20 on the 100) got tipped. All of the Gypsies are good to me and still get tipped on the 40 sessions which normally last 15-30 minutes unless it is Anna being lazy who uses the full 30 not to make the john happy but to stall being grabbed too quick or having to tell guys no. Gypsy hours are full hours so their tip percentage vastly increases!! Rates are 40/70 and to figure out their tips I give it is simple math; there are no 5 10 or 20 notes in my box, only crisp 50 and 100 notes, the same ones the greedy RTGs and Sharks get. The Gypsies deserve the same :D
That list is partial, the green smiles are some of my regulars but they rotate. The LU is not good right now, the current lineups I have read and been told about by boots on the ground really suck, running at 50-75 percent tops now..'All it takes is one' indeed. Perspective is that even worst time of year for FKK land is a dream for those of in the United States of No Or Overpriced Sex!
Citizen Kane
01-06-19, 19:30
You will see a lot of talk on this forum from people who've been doing this for years and are jaded. Without exception the first time in an FKK you will say:
1 Holy fuck there are a lot of beautiful naked women here.
2 OMG surely I am dreaming.
3 Surely this can't be legal (it is!
4) I regret bring the wife and kids.
Hello all,
I will be visiting Frankfurt and Cologne for business trip in March. I plan to visit FKK Oasis just because it is the most popular club on this forum. But I have budget and time to visit two more FKK clubs. What are other two clubs in Frankfurt or Cologne will have the hottest number of selection of women available?Lots will tell you Sharks and some will say Mainhattan, but my two favorite clubs in the Frankfurt area over the years have consistently been Oase and Palace. For Cologne I recommend Samya and Mondial in that order. I did not like the Cologne clubs as much because they were too small, and too many of the girls did not want to do CIM or anal, even for more money. Frankfurt, Hamburg, and Berlin are the preferred destinations in Germany for me so far!
...my two favorite clubs in the Frankfurt area over the years have consistently been Oase and Palace...I agree with the choice of Oase, but I am not sure about Palace. It is full of sharks, constantly trying to upsell, to the point of interfering with the session. I prefer FKK Sharks over Palace.
I agree with the choice of Oase, but I am not sure about Palace. It is full of sharks, constantly trying to upsell, to the point of interfering with the session. I prefer FKK Sharks over Palace.Never, ever had this problem at any club. Probably because I go for hour-long sessions with anal and CIM. No need to upsell me.
ExpatLover
01-07-19, 05:12
I agree with the choice of Oase, but I am not sure about Palace. It is full of sharks, constantly trying to upsell, to the point of interfering with the session. I prefer FKK Sharks over Palace.Oase is a no go club for me since end 2017 and Palace is a terrible place to compare with Artemis.
Kosher Kowboy
01-07-19, 18:25
I agree with the choice of Oase, but I am not sure about Palace. It is full of sharks, constantly trying to upsell, to the point of interfering with the session. I prefer FKK Sharks over Palace.I can not really comment on Oase considering I only made I think 15 tops visits over three years but never had an issue there finding a session of value for 50 or 100 before and after 2017 July and the girls are workable. Sharks I have been too much more and as a former Shark told me, make it clear (in a sweet, charming and firm way) prior to even talking about a room that the floor is to conduct business and the room is for fun and that you do not repeat with girls who make the room about business once the clock starts. If they reject you than and there ' good job' as most likely you dodged a bullet. Every club will have upsell attempts but IMO let them know you aren't a pushover and / or be a regular there and it doesn't matter the club because ' at the end of the day' we control their paychecks not them and the only way they do is if you (we, must include myself) let them. 'Don't let the inmates run the asylum', we got the keys (money).
Never, ever had this problem at any club. Probably because I go for hour-long sessions with anal and CIM. No need to upsell me.Because you are smart and do not let them. I have noticed on the locals boards there and in chatting with a few guys (both classy and trashy, even the trashy guys make it to Palace now and than) in the area more familiar well much more familiar than I that some guys are going to Palace more than the past so I can only reason that if the locals are going to this club more frequently that there is a reason for this and the reason isn't upsells and shit service. In choosing a club why not see where the locals go, coattail them. Likewise when you are in the club you can observe the locals and which girls in which tier of girls they take and once again there is a reason they take them. All my Queens were found by locals, not I.
I sense ' something' is on the ' up' for clients in this club in their favor. Seems some take all this negotiating as rocket science not an actual easy game to play; common sense and more importantly the ability to walk are the number one and two tools we have in the shed.
I used to like Palace too, and always was able to find a few girls who didn't hold back or upsold alot and who were good looking. But last time I was at Palace it was the optics that let me down. I just felt the options were low. And when that happens at a club it is a bad thing as I need to meassure in the chance of this happening again. And I believe I left without a single session. Something I have only done at GT Bruggen aside from Palace. Ever.
Mainhatten I just skip due to reports of upselling. One girl there do look hot though. But the lineup is smaller than at oase / sharks / palace, so risks are higher.
Samya has at least about the same amount of girls as Palace (less than oase / sharks), but girls there maybe with one or two exceptions don't go to the gym and many are a bit skinny sometimes for my preference. It works for some, but in average it helps if they work out a bit on the side. Club smells a bit bad at times too. But it can be very fun there when the atmosphere is right. Some people have it as their favourite club.
When you do mention Sharks as a Frankfurt club, do you also consider Dusseldorf as Cologne? Because that opens up plenty of more clubs in the area around Cologne / Dusseldorf! Babylon Elsdorf for one has reports of an improving lineup lately. Acapulco and Oceans up in Dusseldorf can be great. DV has pretty girls, and is kind of like NRW's Mainhatten but with prettier average. And if you can also cross the dutch border, you have SS and YY where the German regulation is not a problem. Plus there are beauties at both!
When you do mention Sharks as a Frankfurt club, do you also consider Dusseldorf as Cologne? Because that opens up plenty of more clubs in the area around Cologne / DusseldorfWell yeah, Cologne and Dusseldorf are the two big metro areas in the NRW region with lots of clubs. Not only do I not have any experience with the Dusseldorf clubs (unless somebody wants to count GT as a Dusseldorf area club), but he specifically mentioned Cologne. So, I focused on that city, as well as Frankfurt which he also mentioned.
ExpatLover
01-08-19, 18:35
I used to like Palace too, and always was able to find a few girls who didn't hold back or upsold alot and who were good looking. But last time I was at Palace it was the optics that let me down. I just felt the options were low. And when that happens at a club it is a bad thing as I need to meassure in the chance of this happening again. And I believe I left without a single session. Something I have only done at GT Bruggen aside from Palace. Ever.
Mainhatten I just skip due to reports of upselling. One girl there do look hot though. But the lineup is smaller than at oase / sharks / palace, so risks are higher.
Samya has at least about the same amount of girls as Palace (less than oase / sharks), but girls there maybe with one or two exceptions don't go to the gym and many are a bit skinny sometimes for my preference. It works for some, but in average it helps if they work out a bit on the side. Club smells a bit bad at times too. But it can be very fun there when the atmosphere is right. Some people have it as their favourite club.
When you do mention Sharks as a Frankfurt club, do you also consider Dusseldorf as Cologne? Because that opens up plenty of more clubs in the area around Cologne / Dusseldorf! Babylon Elsdorf for one has reports of an improving lineup lately. Acapulco and Oceans up in Dusseldorf can be great. DV has pretty girls, and is kind of like NRW's Mainhatten but with prettier average. And if you can also cross the dutch border, you have SS and YY where the German regulation is not a problem. Plus there are beauties at both!The basement and sauna area from Samya smells terrible, the main reason I stopped going there.
CoolManFever84
01-09-19, 13:23
Awesome guys. Thanks for the tips. Look like club Oase and Shark are must visit in Frankfurt. I will have a rental car. So I plan to drive to.
Stuttgart for Mercedes museum. Any FKK do you guys recommend in Stuttgart?
Also any FKK you guys recommend in.
Dusseldorf, Germany?
Newbie here,
Is there a condensed a guide for FKK 's any of you can recommend? Sort of etiquette and what to do and not to do, what to watch out for?
Awesome guys. Thanks for the tips. Look like club Oase and Shark are must visit in Frankfurt. I will have a rental car. So I plan to drive to.
Stuttgart for Mercedes museum. Any FKK do you guys recommend in Stuttgart?
Also any FKK you guys recommend in.
Dusseldorf, Germany?Stuttgart has 2 main clubs: Paradise and Sakura. I have only been to Paradise and it was good. The food was great and I found 2 hot girls. One was very hot. But it is a few years ago now.
Dusseldorf clubs are better than Cologne in my opinion. But many clubs in nrw are a bit outside the cities, so the definition of where the cities end is something only locals with looking glasses on artificial map lines care about.
Acapulco, Oceans, LivingRoom, Dolce Vita, Babylon, Samya, YinYang, PHG, GT, SixSense. Even Finca Erotica between Cologne and Frankfurt. With a rental car all of these clubs should be within reach. And more so too.
I am going back to Germany in a few weeks, and probably will visit Aca, Oceans, YY, Babylon, Oase and Sharks unless something comes up (it always does).
I've only ever given one FKK girl in Germany my number, got my first request for money this week. After always thinking if a girl ever asked me for money it would be really easy to say no, now it's happened I can see why people do send them money as I felt really bad saying no.
I've not actually seen her for a year, she left at the start of last year and now she sent me a WhatsApp message and told me she's not doing well and wants to return to Germany but needs money and can I help? I would love to see her again but I'm not a millionaire and who knows what she will actually do with the money.
Stuttgart has 2 main clubs: Paradise and Sakura. I have only been to Paradise and it was good. The food was great and I found 2 hot girls. One was very hot. But it is a few years ago now.Sakura was a nice club and I wasn't upsold. Bad part was optics were poor on the Tuesday I went with 2-3 doable girls out of about 20. Service and amenities were good though.
I think consensus top clubs within Dusseldorf and Cologne city limits are LR and Samya respectively. Better clubs in smaller surrounding NRW cities are Acapulco and GT, but those are both 30 minutes outside central Dusseldorf by car.
I've only ever given one FKK girl in Germany my number, got my first request for money this week. After always thinking if a girl ever asked me for money it would be really easy to say no, now it's happened I can see why people do send them money as I felt really bad saying no.
I've not actually seen her for a year, she left at the start of last year and now she sent me a WhatsApp message and told me she's not doing well and wants to return to Germany but needs money and can I help? I would love to see her again but I'm not a millionaire and who knows what she will actually do with the money.Is it possible to put up an ISG GoFundMe or Facebook fundraiser page to help these hookers in distress? It's certainly an worthy cause that may even unite the feminists and the mongers around the world.
I've only ever given one FKK girl in Germany my number, got my first request for money this week. After always thinking if a girl ever asked me for money it would be really easy to say no, now it's happened I can see why people do send them money as I felt really bad saying no.
I've not actually seen her for a year, she left at the start of last year and now she sent me a WhatsApp message and told me she's not doing well and wants to return to Germany but needs money and can I help? I would love to see her again but I'm not a millionaire and who knows what she will actually do with the money.From my experiences, when a girl likes You, she never ask you money, she just ask: " How are you?" Many girls have my phone, no money asked. Maybe a pimp sending message?
CoolManFever84
01-11-19, 13:13
Hello,
I plan to visit cologne for the first time and do a little tour in Dusseldorf. What are the top 3 FKK clubs in the area? I know FKK Samya is one.
From my experiences, when a girl likes You, she never ask you money, she just ask: " How are you?" Many girls have my phone, no money asked. Maybe a pimp sending message?I did wonder if it was her sending the messages.
I showed them to a friend who doesn't go to FKK but knows I do and he thought it was odd she didn't detail how the money would be repaid, I told him that's because it wouldn't be!
FunGames1970
01-14-19, 14:17
Hello all,
After recently discovering what an FKK is from this forum, I have scheduled a stopover in Frankfurt on my next business trip. This Friday I get 24 hours in Frankfurt! I can't wait, my plane lands at 9 am and I leave Saturday morning. My question is about how to best spend my short time there. I was considering browsing the RLD after lunch and then heading to Mainhatten. But I'm getting a car so I could easily reach any local club. I'm intrigued by Dietz aka Day Care, maybe in lieu of RLD. I'm excited, mongering in the US is getting to be kind of a drag. Thanks in advance for your help and thanks for all the great info you have already posted.
Hey,
Sorry for the basic question but I'm a bit confused on how FKK clubs work because I've heard of two types:
1:
You pay a certain amount to get into the club.
You then pay a certain amount to each girl for sex.
I don't see the benefit to this at all.
2.
You pay a certain amount to get into the club.
Sex is free and unlimited with all the girls there? No further payments to the girls necessary? So the girls are paid a flat rate per night by the house?
Do I have this right? Definitely interested in #2 if it exists.
Are there any other "all you can fuck for a flat rate" places elsewhere in the world?
IAmTrout.
2 is illegal in Germany. Although in a few less well known and out of the way clubs the charge per session is so low (maybe 10 euro) that it almost equals 2. I cannot remember which clubs. There are gangbangs where you pay an entrance fee and then no more: but you need to be in the right town at the right time (try megalatte website under sexpartys for adverts).
I am not sure why you don't see any benefit from 1. Each to his own.
Cheers.
2. You pay a certain amount to get into the club.Type 2 is a pauschel club aka flatrate which have been banned since July 2017.
In FKK's you pay an entry fee to use their facilities and then negotiate with the girls for services for an amount costs can range from €40 for a 30 minute session and up.
Voldemorte
01-14-19, 20:27
Hi,
Does anybody know if the Oase shuttle is operational? They were supposed to start from January, but I don't see it on their site.
Also, if I have 4 nights in Frankfurt, would you recommend Oase, Sharks, Palace, and World, or would you recommend I repeat one of these places instead of visiting all four? And if so, which one would you recommend? I'm looking at at least 3 sessions a day. Only CBJ. And a lot of lounging around all day and night. Love to watch, so looking for the best lineup and facilities, with some good CBJ experiences.
Steve 9696
01-14-19, 21:17
Hello all,
After recently discovering what an FKK is from this forum, I have scheduled a stopover in Frankfurt on my next business trip. This Friday I get 24 hours in Frankfurt! I can't wait, my plane lands at 9 am and I leave Saturday morning. My question is about how to best spend my short time there. I was considering browsing the RLD after lunch and then heading to Mainhatten. But I'm getting a car so I could easily reach any local club. I'm intrigued by Dietz aka Day Care, maybe in lieu of RLD. I'm excited, mongering in the US is getting to be kind of a drag. Thanks in advance for your help and thanks for all the great info you have already posted.
I think most would agree the only reason to go to Dietz or RLD is very limited budget or you are trying to go bareback full sex (AO). If you are ok with uncovered BJ and covered sex and have the coin, head straight to the FKK and do not look back.
Once u have been to FKK you have been to heaven and all other P4P (except Brazil IMO) looks terribly lame. Spoiled for life. But in a good way.
I think most would agree the only reason to go to Dietz or RLD is very limited budget or you are trying to go bareback full sex (AO). If you are ok with uncovered BJ and covered sex and have the coin, head straight to the FKK and do not look back.
Once u have been to FKK you have been to heaven and all other P4P (except Brazil IMO) looks terribly lame. Spoiled for life. But in a good way.Yes Dietzenbach is because of AO sex, not because cheap sex, but I prefer to pay for Globe quality and when casting is not exceptionnal, I will go to give pleasure to my eyes at Aphrodisia. I need beauties and enjoy they will to give me.
FunGames1970
01-15-19, 00:07
Once u have been to FKK you have been to heaven and all other P4P (except Brazil IMO) looks terribly lame. Spoiled for life. But in a good way.So now I need a reason to travel to Brazil as well. LOL.
Since I'll likely only visit one club this trip, which do you recommend? I booked a car so getting to them won't be an issue.
ExpatLover
01-15-19, 01:23
Hello all,
After recently discovering what an FKK is from this forum, I have scheduled a stopover in Frankfurt on my next business trip. This Friday I get 24 hours in Frankfurt! I can't wait, my plane lands at 9 am and I leave Saturday morning. My question is about how to best spend my short time there. I was considering browsing the RLD after lunch and then heading to Mainhatten. But I'm getting a car so I could easily reach any local club. I'm intrigued by Dietz aka Day Care, maybe in lieu of RLD. I'm excited, mongering in the US is getting to be kind of a drag. Thanks in advance for your help and thanks for all the great info you have already posted.Dietz and RLD will give you very cheap sex, I would say mechanical sex and you will really feel you are with a prostitute from the lower category, so a no go place for me at least, you have a car try Oase or better Shark, Manhattan is a city FKK with a far smaller LU.
IAmTrout.
2 is illegal in Germany. Although in a few less well known and out of the way clubs the charge per session is so low (maybe 10 euro) that it almost equals 2. I cannot remember which clubs. There are gangbangs where you pay an entrance fee and then no more: but you need to be in the right town at the right time (try megalatte website under sexpartys for adverts).
I am not sure why you don't see any benefit from 1. Each to his own.
Cheers.Thanks. Is there perhaps another online source (in English preferably) to find these cheaper clubs?
I've never been to a FKK but having to pay both an entrance fee and then a fee to the lady doesn't strike me as good value, but that's probably because I can't drink and really all I want is to have as much sex as possible with as many women as possible. Kind of like paying to get into an amusement park and then having to pay for each ride in addition when all you want really is to go on the rides.
If I wanted to have sex with a lot of different women in a night it sounds like an FKK club would be extremely expensive and comparable in value for money to just seeing a bunch of different providers at a standard brothel, where there is no entrance fee, right? Again, I've never been to a FKK so maybe I'm missing something.
Just pay the entrance fee and eat some food. Do five girls and pretend that the price per session is 60 e per girl instead of 50 and there, you effectively didn't pay entrance.
Otherwise you can go bang as many average girls as you want in the Red light district buildings without having to pay an entrance.
Penny pinching is the easiest way to rob yourself of the awesome German FKK experience.
Thanks. Is there perhaps another online source (in English preferably) to find these cheaper clubs?
I've never been to a FKK but having to pay both an entrance fee and then a fee to the lady doesn't strike me as good value, but that's probably because I can't drink and really all I want is to have as much sex as possible with as many women as possible. Kind of like paying to get into an amusement park and then having to pay for each ride in addition when all you want really is to go on the rides.
If I wanted to have sex with a lot of different women in a night it sounds like an FKK club would be extremely expensive and comparable in value for money to just seeing a bunch of different providers at a standard brothel, where there is no entrance fee, right? Again, I've never been to a FKK so maybe I'm missing something.
IAmTrout. Sorry, I have no info on the very low rate per session clubs. There are only a very few and I came across mention of them in some German language forums.
I see your point. FKK is not really set up for cheap multi fuck days. But, if you avoid the tourist clubs, you will find the prices are cheaper overall than going to an a standard brothel. Look out for cheap entries to FKKs: Happy Hour entries can be 35 euros in some clubs (including all day food and drinks) If you want cheap, and no add on perks, then a rld like Frankfurt or Duisburg should work for you.
I just suggested Duisburg rld. Thinking again, it is really just a shadow of its former self so unless you are nearby, it is not worth the effort currently. The decline started after the July 2017 law, and the local authorities are conducting a long term undeclared campaign restricting prostitution
MintChocolate
01-15-19, 12:52
I have been to golden times several times. Girls are nice but the place seems to be more crowded every time.
Is it worth driving south to Sharks or Oase? Is it going to be any less crowded than GT on the weekend?
If I wanted to have sex with a lot of different women in a night it sounds like an FKK club would be extremely expensive and comparable in value for money to just seeing a bunch of different providers at a standard brothel, where there is no entrance fee, right? Again, I've never been to a FKK so maybe I'm missing something.The FKK / Sauna Club is more about the entire day experience. It may not be the right thing for you, considering what you say your after, but it could be. For many men, it's not possi LE to have sex for 6 - 16 hours continuously without taking a break. This is true, even when a healthy younger man is taking ED drugs. The FKK / SC environment provides you that chance to relax while you recoup. The food at many clubs is average restaurant quality food, coffee, tea, soft drinks and water are included in the cost of entry. You also get a place to store your clothes and money, a robe or towel to wear while wa walking around the club, as many showers as you was or a sink to wash your dick and balls in if you prefer that. Depending on where you choose o go, you can get natural BJ, DATY, kissing and Covered Sex in multiple positions for €50 for 30 minutes. A marathon day, €400 yu can walk out with six to seven 30 minute sessions, food and drink, sauna and maybe a jacuzzi too. If you start asking for extras or extending time then you can rack up the total quickly.
The other party clubs or swinger clubs can be found but are usually German speaking crowds and have been known to turn away those who don't speak German fluently. Sometimes they will have 6 or less women working the day. All the sex you want for the day but there may not be any you want to have sex with. Gangbangs and Swinger clubs can also be found in Belgium but there NL or French language is helpful.
Thanks. Is there perhaps another online source (in English preferably) to find these cheaper clubs?
If I wanted to have sex with a lot of different women in a night it sounds like an FKK club would be extremely expensive and comparable in value for money to just seeing a bunch of different providers at a standard brothel, where there is no entrance fee, right? Again, I've never been to a FKK so maybe I'm missing something.At Iamtrout.
All your assumptions are very theoretical because obviously you have never been to an FKK. In fact, the FKK scene revolutionized the paysex business and men who previously despite disgust have been taking advantage of normal brothels won't do so anymore after they have discovered FKK clubs. The level of sex experience which you will be able to experience in a FKK club usually does by no means compare to that of brothels or how they are called in Germany "Laufhaus". Laufhaus really is for clients with super low budget who will be satisfied to jump on a girl whom they are not allowed to touch and much more. Also the hygiene standards are much lower. I remember, that the entire red light districts and especially the girls rooms would terribly smell after [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109), because especially south american and asian girls would pie in a botlle or something in their room due to the lack of a toilet.
FKK is on an entirely different level. The larger and the more famous the club, the larger will be the collection of stunners to choose from. The entrance fee does not make a difference and usually pays off in large clubs due to the overall selection of girls and facilities.
I have been to golden times several times. Girls are nice but the place seems to be more crowded every time.
Is it worth driving south to Sharks or Oase? Is it going to be any less crowded than GT on the weekend?My answer is yes, regardless even if you end up hating the culture and ambiance of the place. For Sharks, only a 2 hour drive to see the largest club in Germany, that in itself makes it worth it. And yes the wait times are never more than 30 minutes at Sharks and that isn't usually only if there is a Messe in town or New Year party. Oase will never have more than a 10 minute wait these days.
Vito Corleone
01-16-19, 02:41
Laufhaus really is for clients with super low budget who will be satisfied to jump on a girl whom they are not allowed to touch and much more. Also the hygiene standards are much lower. I remember, that the entire red light districts and especially the girls rooms would terribly smell after a session, because especially south american and asian girls would pie in a botlle or something in their room due to the lack of a toilet.Most of the rooms in the RLD (Fra, Duisburg, Bochum, Dusseldorf & etc) do not have toilets. That doesn't mean they [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in large bottles! They have a key to the communal toilets & showers. That said, I have been told many times by the girls to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in their sink. When in Rome.
CoolManFever84
01-16-19, 03:40
Hello,
Do all FKKs in Germany like the FKK Oase and Shark allow multiple entries for the same day if you already paid for entrance fee? Thanks!
Hello,
Do all FKKs in Germany like the FKK Oase and Shark allow multiple entries for the same day if you already paid for entrance fee? Thanks!Yes, almost all of them allow free reentry.
Yes, almost all of them allow free reentry.Make sure you tell reception before you leave. Some will just say, I will remember you ok, some will give you a piece of paper to show on re-entry. If you want, often you can leave your stuff in the locker, if you tell them (one time for me this went wrong and they cleared my locker, but I got my stuff).
I have been to golden times several times. Girls are nice but the place seems to be more crowded every time.
Is it worth driving south to Sharks or Oase? Is it going to be any less crowded than GT on the weekend?If you are used to GT Bruggen level, you will find more numerous girls at Sharks or even Oase, but quantity never made quality. On average, since second part of 2016, Hessen can't compete for women level in bed with NRW. Besides, more than 2 hours driving between Bruggen and Darmstadt, and Oase is upselling land. On my last week end days visits, GT was not so crowded, no problem to have few attractive girls for me, unfortunately they are very few attractive for me at GT. If you can't manage, I can just advice you for same level: LR or YY or maybe 6 ens, if you manage to find a attractive girl for you in these clubs, and much closer. From my last visits, Hessen didn't worth the drive. I prefer to drive to Zurich even nearly 100 more kilometers and more expensive, but at least can find beauties, who are most of time great for me in bed.
Hello,
Do all FKKs in Germany like the FKK Oase and Shark allow multiple entries for the same day if you already paid for entrance fee? Thanks!Better to ask desk about this.
Good day,
Next week I and few friends are driving through Berlin to Munich. I have been to Artemis and Oase, and while Artemis was filled mostly with subpar talent, but Oase was much better. So my question is in that region (highway Berlin. Munich) which is the best FKK to visit? Has any FKK in that neighborhood Asian girls?
Good morning,
Traveling next week through Berlin to Nuremberg and back. Wanted to know which would be the best FKK to visit? Was at Artemis last year. The ladies were subpar in the looks. Is there a better ones in the region (autobahn from Berlin to Nuremberg)? Is there some with more international ladies (Asians)?
MintChocolate
01-16-19, 22:55
If you are used to GT Bruggen level, you will find more numerous girls at Sharks or even Oase, but quantity never made quality. On average, since second part of 2016, Hessen can't compete for women level in bed with NRW. Besides, more than 2 hours driving between Bruggen and Darmstadt, and Oase is upselling land. On my last week end days visits, GT was not so crowded, no problem to have few attractive girls for me, unfortunately they are very few attractive for me at GT. If you can't manage, I can just advice you for same level: LR or YY or maybe 6 ens, if you manage to find a attractive girl for you in these clubs, and much closer. From my last visits, Hessen didn't worth the drive. I prefer to drive to Zurich even nearly 100 more kilometers and more expensive, but at least can find beauties, who are most of time great for me in bed.Thanks. How does LR compare to GT, in terms of quantity and quality?
Dan Danger
01-16-19, 23:07
Dear mongers,
In a couple of weeks I'll be traveling on a weekend through Frankfurt, I'll arrive at FRA around 1300 and depart Sunday at noon. I'm seeking advice on whether to take the easy option which is to visit Palace (quick trip into town, hotel nearby) or to go further afield like Oase or Sharks (any other places?
I visited Palace often but haven't been back recently so I expect the lineup would be fresh. On the other hand I've never been to Oase or Sharks and that could be interesting. The minus is extra travel complexity and it's winter so the outdoor part will not be part of the attraction. In addition if it turns into bad weather it could mean a hassle getting back to FRA for my flight.
So what I'm asking is what would you recommend. To go for Palace and make it easy or to try one of the other clubs for a new experience. Is it worth the extra effort? If one club is a few euro more than the other that's not an issue, more that the lineup could be better or it's genuinely better than Palace.
Opinions are welcome!
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