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Dear mongers,
In a couple of weeks I'll be traveling on a weekend through Frankfurt, I'll arrive at FRA around 1300 and depart Sunday at noon. I'm seeking advice on whether to take the easy option which is to visit Palace (quick trip into town, hotel nearby) or to go further afield like Oase or Sharks (any other places?
I visited Palace often but haven't been back recently so I expect the lineup would be fresh. On the other hand I've never been to Oase or Sharks and that could be interesting. The minus is extra travel complexity and it's winter so the outdoor part will not be part of the attraction. In addition if it turns into bad weather it could mean a hassle getting back to FRA for my flight.
So what I'm asking is what would you recommend. To go for Palace and make it easy or to try one of the other clubs for a new experience. Is it worth the extra effort? If one club is a few euro more than the other that's not an issue, more that the lineup could be better or it's genuinely better than Palace.
Opinions are welcome!Dan, this is only my 5 cents as a fellow tourist who has done this many times. Palace is just not a good option. It's expensive, the girls are overly pushy and in my experience, though I actually like the club. The Line up is very substantially lower than at Oase or Sharks or even Mainhattan. At least that was certainly the case in November and December last year.
Look. You are not in town for long. Don't worry so much about the extra travel. It's not as far as you think. To get to Oase is only about 55 euros in a cab from centre of town or take the train to Bad Homburg or even Freidrichtsdorf and you'll pay less than 20 euros in a cab to the club. Total journey less than 1 hour. Sharks is even easier. Train from FRA Hauptbahnof to Darmstadt and cab will take you 10 minutes. Both clubs have very much better facilities and line ups that Palace. I like Mainhattan. Also easy and close to town. But LU will not compete with Oase or Sharks. Forget the outdoors. Its about the girls. They are much better than at Palace. Have fun.
ExpatLover
01-17-19, 02:42
Dear mongers,
In a couple of weeks I'll be traveling on a weekend through Frankfurt, I'll arrive at FRA around 1300 and depart Sunday at noon. I'm seeking advice on whether to take the easy option which is to visit Palace (quick trip into town, hotel nearby) or to go further afield like Oase or Sharks (any other places?
I visited Palace often but haven't been back recently so I expect the lineup would be fresh. On the other hand I've never been to Oase or Sharks and that could be interesting. The minus is extra travel complexity and it's winter so the outdoor part will not be part of the attraction. In addition if it turns into bad weather it could mean a hassle getting back to FRA for my flight.
So what I'm asking is what would you recommend. To go for Palace and make it easy or to try one of the other clubs for a new experience. Is it worth the extra effort? If one club is a few euro more than the other that's not an issue, more that the lineup could be better or it's genuinely better than Palace.
Opinions are welcome!Take it easy, you can decide at the last minute but for sure the weather will be okay in Frankfurt to let you take the train to Shark which is a far better option for me than palace.
Hello,
Do all FKKs in Germany like the FKK Oase and Shark allow multiple entries for the same day if you already paid for entrance fee? Thanks!Many clubs will tell you it is fine if you return within a certain period of time. I have been told anything from 2-4 hours usually. Although at Artemis I stayed away even longer once. Clubs having discount entry if you arrive early might be a big stricter on this for obvious reasons.
Hello,
Do all FKKs in Germany like the FKK Oase and Shark allow multiple entries for the same day if you already paid for entrance fee? Thanks!Many clubs will tell you it is fine if you return within a certain period of time. I have been told anything from 2-4 hours usually. Although at Artemis I stayed away even longer once. Clubs having discount entry if you arrive early might be a big stricter on this for obvious reasons. But even at these clubs (Aca, Oceans) I have been allowed to stay away for 2 or 3 hours.
Good morning,
Traveling next week through Berlin to Nuremberg and back. Wanted to know which would be the best FKK to visit? Was at Artemis last year. The ladies were subpar in the looks. Is there a better ones in the region (autobahn from Berlin to Nuremberg)? Is there some with more international ladies (Asians)?Suna (Thai) at Artemis is top notch. But I haven't seen her in 2 years. Mainly probably because I have only been there like 2-3 days a year also. But reception knows if you call.
Thanks. How does LR compare to GT, in terms of quantity and quality?LR is not on same level than GT for club services, but I had great girls at LR and my best ever in whole FKK land. Worth to try, can be enjoyable if You find a attractive girl for You. If You don t enjoy GT, you can move to LR, asking GT desk for ticket, then paying only 35 more. 95 for both.
Best casting days are Friday and Saturday, not crowded now, but can have longer time to wait for room than at GT, because only 11 rooms. Some good rooms, better than at GT.
Try Sharks if You are around Frankfurt, Sharks is 30 kms south. Many girls but looks don t worth a long drive.
Dan, this is only my 5 cents as a fellow tourist who has done this many times. Palace is just not a good option. It's expensive, the girls are overly pushy and in my experience, though I actually like the club. The Line up is very substantially lower than at Oase or Sharks or even Mainhattan. At least that was certainly the case in November and December last year.
Look. You are not in town for long. Don't worry so much about the extra travel. It's not as far as you think. To get to Oase is only about 55 euros in a cab from centre of town or take the train to Bad Homburg or even Freidrichtsdorf and you'll pay less than 20 euros in a cab to the club. Total journey less than 1 hour. Sharks is even easier. Train from FRA Hauptbahnof to Darmstadt and cab will take you 10 minutes. Both clubs have very much better facilities and line ups that Palace. I like Mainhattan. Also easy and close to town. But LU will not compete with Oase or Sharks. Forget the outdoors. Its about the girls. They are much better than at Palace. Have fun.According to my last visits in Hessen since Summer, Palace is for me kind of Globe in Frankfurt with few really attractive and high level in bed girls when Sharks and Oase became quite low level for girls for me: lack of pretty faces, elegance, chic, class and charm, which make girls being desirable for me. Had great rooms at Palace. Rooms are very beautiful to increase pleasure. Higher level club than others around Frankfurt. I like the new design even I miss the pool like at Globe where was a warm swimming pool before Mainhattan area. I may be a guy for high level girls rather than little girls. But I wish to find a new beauty at Sharks like on mid June 2018.
Dan Danger
01-17-19, 22:57
According to my last visits in Hessen since Summer, Palace is for me kind of Globe in Frankfurt with few really attractive and high level in bed girls when Sharks and Oase became quite low level for girls for me: lack of pretty faces, elegance, chic, class and charm, which make girls being desirable for me. Had great rooms at Palace. Rooms are very beautiful to increase pleasure. Higher level club than others around Frankfurt. I like the new design even I miss the pool like at Globe where was a warm swimming pool before Mainhattan area. I may be a guy for high level girls rather than little girls. But I wish to find a new beauty at Sharks like on mid June 2018.Thank you both Payforit (also for great summary of how to get there) and Sirioja. I'm probably going to head out to Sharks this time because Palace is a great on a short layover but as Payforit writes, I should have enough time to get to Sharks and come back. Worst case a cab back on Sunday morning to avoid any hassle / delays. I also like pretty faces but I'm pretty sure that with a larger lineup I'll find someone to enjoy at Sharks. Then next time probably will swing by the Palace and write up a comparison.
According to my last visits in Hessen since Summer, Palace is for me kind of Globe in Frankfurt with few really attractive and high level in bed girls when Sharks and Oase became quite low level for girls for me: lack of pretty faces, elegance, chic, class and charm, which make girls being desirable for me. Had great rooms at Palace. Rooms are very beautiful to increase pleasure. Higher level club than others around Frankfurt. I like the new design even I miss the pool like at Globe where was a warm swimming pool before Mainhattan area. I may be a guy for high level girls rather than little girls. But I wish to find a new beauty at Sharks like on mid June 2018.I have not been back to Palace since it renovated, but considering it always been strong upsell club, I think it may be wise for Palace to position themselves as upper level club now and collect many attractive looking girls above 8 minimum in scale of 10 and mostly 9 or 10 in beauty level, who actually provide best service in exchange for upsell that always has been around strongly in palace.
Be more globe kind of situation in Frankfurt area.
Pistons,
I owe you an answer, so here it goes.
There is an ethical problem with your question. That is if everyone has that beautiful supermodel girlfriend, there would be no available other beautiful girls left. So in essence it is an extremely selfish idea that won't work on a macro level. Thus rendering the ideology useless. Of course you can do swingers parties, but to which level of liberalness would you go there? Say if the female alternatives are low for the night, but for her the male alternatives are far higher. So she actually chooses two dudes ahead of you for a threesome unless she had been stuck as your girlfriend.
Of course, the problem with too many of today's singles around the world is that they are afraid of liberally committing half way through in fear of being stuck with someone not perfect.So there is no ethical problem that you flied from a rich European country because of your birth luck to fuck and do all kinds of perverted sex acts on the FKK WGs who are in this business because they are poor and have bad birth luck?
You misunderstand me anyway. My point was that the relationship (not supermodel per se who I mentioned in my post just as a hypothetical example) and mongering can co-exist at the same time to maximize our quality of life and mongering doesn't and shouldn't have to exclude relationship as some (or perhaps many) mongers asserted in the frequent discussion at that time, because the relationship and mongering have completely different taste and feeling for men. This is like a Thai likes Thai food (mongering), this doesn't mean he should eat Thai food exclusively everyday and doesn't try French food (relationship) which has completely different taste from Thai food. After he tries French food, maybe he likes it and can have both French and Thai food as regular foods in the same period of time.
In fact, there are many married mongers or mongers with girlfriend in the mongering world and I think that they have better quality of life than unmarried mongers without girlfriend because they are enjoying tastes and feelings which both mongering and relationship offer.
Pistons,
I owe you an answer, so here it goes.
So there is no ethical problem that you flied from a rich European country because of your birth luck to fuck and do all kinds of perverted sex acts on the FKK WGs who are in this business because they are poor and have bad birth luck?
You misunderstand me anyway. My point was that the relationship (not supermodel per se who I mentioned in my post just as a hypothetical example) and mongering can co-exist at the same time to maximize our quality of life and mongering doesn't and shouldn't have to exclude relationship as some (or perhaps many) mongers asserted in the frequent discussion at that time, because the relationship and mongering have completely different taste and feeling for men..I have fever right now, so I don't think very clearly, but an answer I can try to give nonetheless.
1. Your first paragraph only makes sense if I would have the general neoliberal idea regarding monogamy. Which is wrong. So I don't! And I don't see any issue with coming from a richer country to hand out currency to women from a more liberal poor country than mine. I even consider it as aid, and feel it should therefore give me tax refund. You can google 'rethinking prostitution in Thailand' for a good thesis regarding this. And I definitely don't feel like I do any perverted acts (def: characterized by sexually abnormal and unacceptable practices or tendencies). My idea of my country is that it is brainwashed on many accounts. Such accounts being so ingrained that they cause wars and the destruction of humanity. But that is a massive topic. Again I would point to anthropology.
2. The second paragraph asserts me that I did in fact not misread you. This is exactly what I responded to. I will try again:
I agree on your idea of trying new foods. I actually do believe it saves many lives in this world and make our world a more peaceful place if we all go polygamous. But why the marrige? And what is your idea of your own girl doing the same? Anthropology hints at the idea of marrige being a communistic idea that serves a warring purpose. To calm down the soldier with one pussy in order to quel revolts and keep him locked in semi slavery under an unjust system. Remember: he is to sacrifice his life for the king. The other reasoning for it, and for him not to have sex with many is the fear of sickness spreading among the population. So the entire marrige idea is a way of population control, and combatting diseases and large outbreaks.
Prostitution is nontheless a very natural instinct for all females of all races in order for the females to get resources for their babies. A married wife would therefore assume the control of all the resources made by her husband, and her hudband alone in trade for sex. Legally also so if you read the laws. So in a sense, marrige is a way of solo-prostitution. According to certain documents, the womens power to pussywhip her husband into working harder for the state is the only reason women got the power to vote in the beginning of last century. Remember the reason men got it in the first place was their commitment to the army, and willingness to die in a war for their country. Ethically solo-prostitution is in my ryes no better than poly-prostitution, and one can even say it is genetically superior for the female to practice poly-prostitution too. It acts a way of darwinism as the pretty ones gets a larger resource share, and it helps her own babies being genetically diverse. In the end, sex only speaks to our primal instincts of genespreading. But again, solo-prostitution is better liked by world leaders today thr poly-prostitution due to easier population control.
One cool little thing is that advancements in gene tech and molecular biology can remove all barriers the world would have against going 100% promiscous. And thus save the world from conflics and wars. So there is hope for the future, but the modern neoliberals are the worlds greatest enemies, and may cause a world war 3 before we get there.
I even consider it as aid, ...Right. Why didn't you go to FKK clubs and hand out your money to the WGs without any session? That would be aid by definition. Anyway, you are entitled to your definition and I am not going to discuss further with you on that.
2. The second paragraph asserts me that I did in fact not misread you. This is exactly what I responded to. I will try again:
I agree on your idea of trying new foods. I actually do believe it saves many lives in this world and make our world a more peaceful place if we all go polygamous. But why the marrige? And what is your idea of your own girl doing the same? Anthropology hints at the idea of marrige being a communistic idea that serves a warring purpose. To calm down the soldier with one pussy in order to quel revolts and keep him locked in semi slavery under an unjust system. Remember: he is to sacrifice his life for the king. The other reasoning for it, and for him not to have sex with many is the fear of sickness spreading among the population. So the entire marrige idea is a way of population control, and combatting diseases and large outbreaks.
Prostitution is nontheless a very natural instinct for all females of all races in order for the females to get resources for their babies. A married wife would therefore assume the control of all the resources made by her husband, and her hudband alone in trade for sex. Legally also so if you read the laws. So in a sense, marrige is a way of solo-prostitution. According to certain documents, the womens power to pussywhip her husband into working harder for the state is the only reason women got the power to vote in the beginning of last century. Remember the reason men got it in the first place was their commitment to the army, and willingness to die in a war for their country. Ethically solo-prostitution is in my ryes no better than poly-prostitution, and one can even say it is genetically superior for the female to practice poly-prostitution too. It acts a way of darwinism as the pretty ones gets a larger resource share, and it helps her own babies being genetically diverse. In the end, sex only speaks to our primal instincts of genespreading. But again, solo-prostitution is better liked by world leaders today thr poly-prostitution due to easier population control.
One cool little thing is that advancements in gene tech and molecular biology can remove all barriers the world would have against going 100% promiscous. And thus save the world from conflics and wars. So there is hope for the future, but the modern neoliberals are the worlds greatest enemies, and may cause a world war 3 before we get there.Maybe you have fever now. Honestly I don't know what you were trying to say and I am not sure on what you disagree with me except that you wrote about marriage. I said relationship in my post, I didn't say marriage and never used the word "marriage" in my post. Relationship has many forms and marriage is one form of relationship.
I hope Bfsie and Pistons will forgive me for dragging a red herring in. Pistons, you mention "aid". I sometimes have had similar thoughts, but the scale is important. I received today a request for three months rent by Monday for a girl being discharged from hospital allegedly homeless, with a new born infant. Sometimes the aid requested would bankrupt the donor. It would be like supporting a second family.
Just for info. This aid request will be ignored.
I hope Bfsie and Pistons will forgive me for dragging a red herring in. Pistons, you mention "aid". I sometimes have had similar thoughts, but the scale is important. I received today a request for three months rent by Monday for a girl being discharged from hospital allegedly homeless, with a new born infant. Sometimes the aid requested would bankrupt the donor. It would be like supporting a second family.
Just for info. This aid request will be ignored.Did a followup message claim that potentially the new born is you baby? 😁.
Right. Why didn't you go to FKK clubs and hand out your money to the WGs without any session? That would be aid by definition. Anyway, you are entitled to your definition and I am not going to discuss further with you on that.
Maybe you have fever now. Honestly I don't know what you were trying to say and I am not sure on what you disagree with me except that you wrote about marriage. I said relationship in my post, I didn't say marriage and never used the word "marriage" in my post. Relationship has many forms and marriage is one form of relationship.1. What makes you think I don't go in and hand them money. Either way, I would refer to these articles on Thai prostitution:
http://hir.harvard.edu/article/?a=14146
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?cc=mfsfront;c=mfs;c=mfsfront;idno=ark5583.0012.005;g=mfsg;rgn=main;view=text;xc=1
2. Just a relationship is so abigous and non-binding that it can go as anything. So I suppose you have a point. I reread my post and found it to be very informative, but it is a big topic.
Did a followup message claim that potentially the new born is you baby? 😁.No. But a picture arrived.
BigBuddy69
01-19-19, 10:44
Does he look like you?
Does he look like you?I dare not look at her. Poor mite.
Pistons,
I owe you an answer, so here it goes.
So there is no ethical problem that you flied from a rich European country because of your birth luck to fuck and do all kinds of perverted sex acts on the FKK WGs who are in this business because they are poor and have bad birth luckr.For super mongers, feeling is when we cum inside beautiful girls and quality of life in area of sex depend on line up LOL.
OK, kidding aside, For some people, maybe minority, but we do not like to live with or spend too closely with women, like listen to them, pay for their life, support them during their mental emotional stability period, irrational spending, doing things we do not want to do, and I do not like how older women looks let say above age 30 ish etc.
For some of us, living with women for long period of time is merely a torture or irrational act.
It is each their own, I understand some guys like that, but for some others, it is not pleasure or good quality life to spend long time and live with woman. I tried it when I was younger, but it is only good for first few months, then it decline and I want to get out soon as possible after that first few months.
Again, I understand how other side or maybe majority since society educate us to think that way like relationship or marriage to woman, but that is not good life for all of men, in fact the opposite.
I like to be in full control of my happiness and in area of sex life, lust, mongering is the best road I found for me and as for feeling, human communications etc. I got friends to do that with and family and also dogs.
Bottom line is that, I only like women when they are young and beautiful, I think because mostly how they look.
Polyamorist
01-20-19, 02:24
1. Your first paragraph only makes sense if I would have the general neoliberal idea regarding monogamy. Which is wrong. So I don't! And I don't see any issue with coming from a richer country to hand out currency to women from a more liberal poor country than mine. I even consider it as aid, and feel it should therefore give me tax refund.Salaam, Pistons, great post. I agree with what you have written. Including the potential for technology to create a paradise on earth -- if it could only be used for creation rather than destruction.
Ideally an FKK is a place where interesting people of both sexes come from far and wide to meet, chat, relax, have sex, and share experiences from their different cultures. Since young women typically don't have a lot of money, it makes sense that they be compensated for their time and expenses.
The challenges FKKs face include (1) the historical stigma associated with prostitution, and (2) the fact that a lot of money is flowing through them, so that attracts the attention of gangs. The gangs are only interested in money and control, not sex or anything else. So they will always try to fill clubs with their drones and dominate them. This inhibits the interesting people (the real people) from meeting and doing business. It is the job of FKK management to stop this situation from arising, but usually, as long as the money keeps flowing in -- even fools' money -- they don't care. Until of course it's too late and the club collapses.
Been watching Marco Polo on Netflix while being sick, and one thing strikes me. Kublai Kahn defines the might of his lands through the quality and vastness of his harem. Of course it is like this. It has always been the main reason for wars and conflicts in a monogamous practicing civilization: Pussy.
My point on ethical problem was that on this forum we shouldn't bring up and talk too much about ethical issues on women as I responded to (not initiated) the question of ethical problem raised by Pistons, because we are all sinners from the social and religious points of view. If I were an ethical man on women, I wouldn't read and write on ISG. I wasn't condemning and making an issue of the ethical problem I raised. I was simply reminding that we shouldn't use ethical issues on women to make points on this hooker forum because we are all sinners in the eyes of society and religion.
I was simply reminding that we shouldn't use ethical issues on women to make points on this hooker forum because we are all sinners in the eyes of society and religion.I have made this same point in another part of the site when you have mongers who want to act like they are somehow "better" because they are supposedly more ethical or claim to treat women with more respect. In the eyes of greater society they are taking advantage of and abusing women just like any other monger. And I find this notion of "respect" to be rather twisted as the same monger putting himself on a pedestal as respecting women can turn right around and post about a desire to have ass-to-mouth sex with prostitutes! Really? Geez! If that is respecting women, then I guess I just don't get it!
My point on ethical problem was that on this forum we shouldn't bring up and talk too much about ethical issues on women as I responded to (not initiated) the question of ethical problem raised by Pistons, because we are all sinners from the social and religious points of view. If I were an ethical man on women, I wouldn't read and write on ISG. I wasn't condemning and making an issue of the ethical problem I raised. I was simply reminding that we shouldn't use ethical issues on women to make points on this hooker forum because we are all sinners in the eyes of society and religion.On the contrary, and if you read the red line through my comments, I pose the opposite view on sin and what is ethically right and wrong. My consensus is that western religions based on monogamy is derived from sin, and is thus devil worship and truly unethical. While polygamy is real ethics and good practice, creating peace and stability.
There is an alternative view on this also, but that is very spiritual and far out, and way beyond pseudo science speaking about carnal desires and fallen angels sleeping with the daughters of man. But suit yourself if you rather take those stories for granted than what I propose. At best it only seeks to justify the twisted tongue of the religions we use. Interestingly all religions admits the devil or some devil figure rules the world. And who rules the world? Religions do of course.
Of course it is like this. It has always been the main reason for wars and conflicts in a monogamous practicing civilization: Pussy.Yeah, never for things like independence, territory, religion, or resources.
I have made this same point in another part of the site when you have mongers who want to act like they are somehow "better" because they are supposedly more ethical or claim to treat women with more respect. In the eyes of greater society they are taking advantage of and abusing women just like any other monger. And I find this notion of "respect" to be rather twisted as the same monger putting himself on a pedestal as respecting women can turn right around and post about a desire to have ass-to-mouth sex with prostitutes! Really? Geez! If that is respecting women, then I guess I just don't get it!What's not to get? As mongers, I think we all have to judge ourselves outside of societal norms. You can be respectful without being a white knight. Respect is just not being a shitty human being to other human beings and not believing that the prostitute is somehow a lower form of life than you.
Yeah, never for things like independence, territory, religion, or resources.Territory and resources are one and the same. And one school of thought is that resources is the main catalyst of what made us turn to monogamy over polygamy back when we were apes. But studying the bonobo of Congo, the reasoning for this is more nuanced. Instead of resources as a whole, nutritional values, and the correct diet on the other hand may be a valid solution as a catalyst as we can see the chimps living north of the Congo river and the other great apes there like the gorilla probably not getting the same nutrients. That idea takes it further and claims this then leads to a reduced immune system and diseases. And then the natural survival trend would be to turn monogamous.
Religion is just a propaganda tool. Mainly for warring purposes. But also to brainwash the masses. Carl Yung also describes the link to dreaming. And you might have heard of the vat2 gene (the god gene). And it seems even fda indirectly agrees on this now.
https://www.genengnews.com/topics/drug-discovery/fda-clears-neurocrines-vmat2-inhibitor-as-first-treatment-for-tardive-dyskinesia/
Independence is misunderstood, or at the very least falsified or used in a Machiavellian way. Leading the common man away from the main purpose of what the kings strive to keep in a monogamous society: ample supply of pussy.
Today I completed a 90 minute session, and got to my locker, found my money, and in a daze walked up to the waiting beauty and gave her 150 euros. She seemed unusually happy as she said "Danke dir" and burst out laughing. Everybody around also laughed when the girl I had been to the room with was in turn given the 150 by my newly enriched stranger. All I can say is that it must have been a good session. In my defence they both had black hair and breasts.
Steve 9696
01-20-19, 20:57
Today I completed a 90 minute session, and got to my locker, found my money, and in a daze walked up to the waiting beauty and gave her 150 euros. She seemed unusually happy as she said "Danke dir" and burst out laughing. Everybody around also laughed when the girl I had been to the room with was in turn given the 150 by my newly enriched stranger. All I can say is that it must have been a good session. In my defence they both had black hair and breasts.
That is fucking hilarious. Literally LOL. Good thing my wife is in another room. She thinks I'm reading a thriller and here I burst out laughing. We will have to coin the term "pussy fog" to capture your debilitated state!
That is fucking hilarious. Literally LOL. Good thing my wife is in another room. She thinks I'm reading a thriller and here I burst out laughing. We will have to coin the term "pussy fog" to capture your debilitated state!"Pussy fog" is an appropriate term, and it can be dangerous. Somehow reminds me of an almost disaster when I was about to give 50 e to my real girlfriend after wonderful sex, then I'm like WTF I'm doing. Damn FKK habits LOL.
How much does it cost to get to these destinations? Can you buy a day ticket, f so how much?
Is the Frankfurt Card for tourists sufficient?
"Pussy fog" is an appropriate term, and it can be dangerous. Somehow reminds me of an almost disaster when I was about to give 50 e to my real girlfriend after wonderful sex, then I'm like WTF I'm doing. Damn FKK habits LOL.Steve. Glad to have caused a laugh. Pussyfog. Great term. After 90 minutes nonstop sex I was like a wisp of fog myself.
Gino. I have actually paid my wife 50 euros. But as it was in FKK it was not pussyfog. I had to make a big show of paying so the other girls did not think I was a pimp. I got the seal of approval from all the girls who asked me and they then told me what they thought of pimps. All about psychology.
How much does it cost to get to these destinations? Can you buy a day ticket, f so how much?
Is the Frankfurt Card for tourists sufficient?www.bahn.de There is an English option.
"Pussy fog" is an appropriate term, and it can be dangerous. Somehow reminds me of an almost disaster when I was about to give 50 e to my real girlfriend after wonderful sex, then I'm like WTF I'm doing. Damn FKK habits LOL.Ever bought her stuff then? Or meals?
Good morning,
Traveling next week through Berlin to Nuremberg and back. Wanted to know which would be the best FKK to visit? Was at Artemis last year. The ladies were subpar in the looks. Is there a better ones in the region (autobahn from Berlin to Nuremberg)? Is there some with more international ladies (Asians)?Hello Ikeoms,
I am afraid you can drive right away through from Berlin to Nuernberg as there is no club worth a stop until you reach Nuernberg. In Nuernberg and also Ingolstadt there are some clubs which are actually quite nice.
You might want to look into the clubs on your road with help of this page. See link below.
https://www.fkk24.de/fkk-saunaclubs
Ever bought her stuff then? Or meals?Buying a woman a gift isn't always prostitution. It's called being nice. Try it sometime.
Can someone please demystify this speeding limit thing in Germany for me (hopefully by someone who lives there)? In the past 4-5 years, I've been renting a car in my trips to Germany, so I am not new to driving there and I think am familiar with the traffic signs and rules. Although I love driving on the no-limit autobahns, I'm generally a careful and conservative driver; I've been very careful to stick to the speed limits wherever it is posted and usually use the cruise control to make sure I don't exceed that limit. To my suprise, last year I received a ticket in the mail spotting me at driving at 88 km / h in an 80 zone captured on camera. What surprised me is that probably it was in a construction zone (80 km / h limit), and I'm usually extra careful in construction zones because I know usually cameras are setup. I am thinking maybe I had just entered the 80 zone from a 100 zone and still was taking me a few seconds to slow down. Anyways, I did not want to ignore the ticket and leave it unpaid, so I eventually paid it (and that in itself is another story of what a hassle it was to pay it from overseas). But what I don't understand is that I see other cars pass by me all the time exceeding the limit by at least 20-30 km / h or sometimes faster. I just came back from a trip and I saw even in construction zones that the limit was 60 lots of cars passed by me driving at least 80 to 90 km / h. From what I understand, the threshold is about 3% above the limit (that is what it showed on my ticket), so how comes that all these other cars are driving way above the limit all the time but that only 1 time that I was a bit above the limit I got caught and fined? Is there something I am missing here? Do the other drivers know exactly where the cameras are and confident to pass the limit in other areas without the camera? Or they just don't care?
TankTank123
01-22-19, 05:42
Traveling next week through Berlin to Nuremberg and back. Wanted to know which would be the best FKK to visit? Was at Artemis last year. The ladies were subpar in the looks. Is there a better ones in the region (autobahn from Berlin to Nuremberg)? Is there some with more international ladies (Asians)?None that are even 1/4 the level of Artemis. The best of those along that route that I have been to quite a few times over the years are FKK Leipzig (a sister club of FKK World) in Leipzig, and FKK Palmas/Venezia in Nuremburg. No Asians there.
The following FKK clubs along that route were hopeless: FKK Europa in Leipzig, FKK Paradies in Erfurt, FKK Artes in Bayreuth, FKK Sylt in Nuremburg.
If you have time to go an hour further south from Nuremburg, I would recommend FKK Colosseum in Augsburg. You can also try FKK Hawaii in Ingolstadt although this one is touch and go.
Trombone. I also try to keep to autobahn speed limits and an usually almost the only one to do so. Most German drivers (and my Satnav) know where the radar is installed and only then slow down.
Buying a woman a gift isn't always prostitution. It's called being nice. Try it sometime.And being nice is something like aid then? Finally we can agree on something.
Trombone. I also try to keep to autobahn speed limits and an usually almost the only one to do so. Most German drivers (and my Satnav) know where the radar is installed and only then slow down.I see; thank you, Optimist.
Triptogamont
01-22-19, 20:28
Can someone please demystify this speeding limit thing in Germany for me (hopefully by someone who lives there)? In the past 4-5 years, I've been renting a car in my trips to Germany, so I am not new to driving there and I think am familiar with the traffic signs and rules. Although I love driving on the no-limit autobahns, I'm generally a careful and conservative driver; I've been very careful to stick to the speed limits wherever it is posted and usually use the cruise control to make sure I don't exceed that limit. To my suprise, last year I received a ticket in the mail spotting me at driving at 88 km / h in an 80 zone captured on camera. What surprised me is that probably it was in a construction zone (80 km / h limit), and I'm usually extra careful in construction zones because I know usually cameras are setup. I am thinking maybe I had just entered the 80 zone from a 100 zone and still was taking me a few seconds to slow down. Anyways, I did not want to ignore the ticket and leave it unpaid, so I eventually paid it (and that in itself is another story of what a hassle it was to pay it from overseas). But what I don't understand is that I see other cars pass by me all the time exceeding the limit by at least 20-30 km / h or sometimes faster. I just came back from a trip and I saw even in construction zones that the limit was 60 lots of cars passed by me driving at least 80 to 90 km / h. From what I understand, the threshold is about 3% above the limit (that is what it showed on my ticket), so how comes that all these other cars are driving way above the limit all the time but that only 1 time that I was a bit above the limit I got caught and fined? Is there something I am missing here? Do the other drivers know exactly where the cameras are and confident to pass the limit in other areas without the camera? Or they just don't care?Recommend you take a look through this thread: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3981-Renting-a-car-in-Germany.
And being nice is something like aid then? Finally we can agree on something.So we pro monger side is being nice in FKK by giving aid of 50 euro paper currency per hour. We give paper currency instead of bags, shoes, jewelries or bunch of lunch and dinners etc, though I do eat with girls in FKK sometimes and wow they do not charge me for those time when we eat together at least.
Kidding aside, some girls in FKK are really nice girls and I give respect that they manage to remain their good heart even though they are in rough and tough situation in their life.
Thinking about spending my 60th birthday at a club in NRW.
Have done this once before. Went to LR kaast, great! Dolce vita? Nice but boring.
Was thinking GT Bruggen.
Any suggestions? Free birthday entrance of course. It's a long way from Australia.
Thanks.
Recommend you take a look through this thread: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3981-Renting-a-car-in-Germany.Interesting thread; thank you.
And being nice is something like aid then? Finally we can agree on something.When I pay for my medical visit, I do not have the mindset that I am providing aid to my doctor. When I pay for my dinner, I do not have the mindset that I am providing aid to the chef or the waiter. I am paying for services that the vendor provides. The WG is no different. There's a hint of socio-economic-ethnic prejudice to believe otherwise, not to mention sexism and arrogance.
Thinking about spending my 60th birthday at a club in NRW.
Have done this once before. Went to LR kaast, great! Dolce vita? Nice but boring.
Was thinking GT Bruggen.
Any suggestions? Free birthday entrance of course. It's a long way from Australia.
Thanks.GT can be very crowded and wait for room can be long quite often especially during weekend, but also during week days also, but other than that, service is there to deliver with no upsell.
GT is big club during summer with outdoor area, but during winter, it is too cold to stay outside for long, so only place you can party is main bar, jacuzzi area and restaurant tent, so space wise it is bit limited during winter season, but if you are there just for sex in room and not to party then GT can be good club due to its fair pricing and good service.
Piggsy. Others may have better info than I, but repeating LR really is a good bet. GT is an hour's driving, sometimes crowded with men, and I am told the LU lacks the sparkle it used to have.
You should, wherever you go, get the same basic service, without being charged extra, as on your previous trip some years ago.
Thinking about spending my 60th birthday at a club in NRW.
Have done this once before. Went to LR kaast, great! Dolce vita? Nice but boring.
Was thinking GT Bruggen.
Any suggestions? Free birthday entrance of course. It's a long way from Australia.
Thanks.It can get very crowded with little reprieve from the loud music but Samya honors free entrance the day before your birthday in addition to the day of.
GT would be more relaxing but Saturday nights could get too crowded.
Mondial, Babylon, and SixSense also honors the complimentary birthday entry.
The WG is no different. There's a hint of socio-economic-ethnic prejudice to believe otherwise, not to mention sexism and arrogance.LMFAO! Talk about reading in things that are not there. Tell us more about the "racism" and "sexism", or please don't. Twitter is already full of hysterical SJW: s if I actually was interested in hearing that sad song. LMFAO!
When I pay for my medical visit, I do not have the mindset that I am providing aid to my doctor. When I pay for my dinner, I do not have the mindset that I am providing aid to the chef or the waiter. I am paying for services that the vendor provides. The WG is no different. There's a hint of socio-economic-ethnic prejudice to believe otherwise, not to mention sexism and arrogance.1. Maybe in the case of the doctor, it should be a reversal. And by being nice the doctor should be the one providing the aid.
2. Maybe the chef should make meals en masse for lots of people, and instead of the waitress indirectly begging for tips, the visitors should get their food on their own.
3. Maybe the profession of the wg is there because we live in a monogamous society. Certainly in any polygamous societies, nobody would charge a penny for it, hence my aid reference. And also why I mention fool's gold and currencies sometimes here.
4. A socio-economic prejudice is a term derived from differences in the society. Differences in the society is based on selfishness. Selfishness in turn based on individualism. Individualism based on a monogamous persons drive to pass his own genes onwards instead of the pack's.
5. Ethnocentricm is derived from gene spreading around the world, and the idea that one is superior to someone else. Another term derived from monogamy.
6. Sexism? Well, in a polygamous society one of the main tendencies you find is the complete absense of are. Ape. Sexism is absolutely non existant. There have been not a single documented example of violence between a bonobo male and female.
7. Arrogance is a trait that society often values and rewards. For example in politics, sales and business. It is a rethorical tool. Still, it is probably also another derivative of monogamy.
So in all of this, context is key. From a monogamous standpoint of thought, you are right. But from a polygamous standpoint I am right. Then it is just about deciding which standpoint it correct. However it does fuck with the brain to think in such reversals, and especially since the society around us is so ingrained in monogamy.
To top it all of, FKK's are like a heaven for polygamy. And I really do doubt it is wrong when our biology pulls us there. If there were no inner drive, FKK's would not exist. LOL!
GT can be very crowded and wait for room can be long quite often especially during weekend, but also during week days also, but other than that, service is there to deliver with no upsell.
GT is big club during summer with outdoor area, but during winter, it is too cold to stay outside for long, so only place you can party is main bar, jacuzzi area and restaurant tent, so space wise it is bit limited during winter season, but if you are there just for sex in room and not to party then GT can be good club due to its fair pricing and good service.Will be midweek in early Oct. So I guess the weather will be a bit hit and miss. But yea. Quality of service is paramount. More so than quantity. And somewhere I can spend some time. Thinking of going to both GT and LR. But if enjoying myself. Happy to stay in one place.
Piggsy. Others may have better info than I, but repeating LR really is a good bet. GT is an hour's driving, sometimes crowded with men, and I am told the LU lacks the sparkle it used to have.
You should, wherever you go, get the same basic service, without being charged extra, as on your previous trip some years ago.Met a couple of cool guys there to have a drink and a chat.
Was thinking of starting in GT and if it wasn't working out move to LR.
At least get to see somewhere new.
It can get very crowded with little reprieve from the loud music but Samya honors free entrance the day before your birthday in addition to the day of.
GT would be more relaxing but Saturday nights could get too crowded.
Mondial, Babylon, and SixSense also honors the complimentary birthday entry.Since I'm traveling half way round the world. Like to make the most of it. Haven't been to Samya. But if the let me in for free. Definitely worth considering for a pre bday warmup!
Loud music. Sounds like a party!
LMFAO! Talk about reading in things that are not there. Tell us more about the "racism" and "sexism", or please don't. Twitter is already full of hysterical SJW: s if I actually was interested in hearing that sad song. LMFAO!In short:
"They language they're speaking is a language of subtlety. Apparently it's something you don't understand." -Lois Griffin.
Steve 9696
01-24-19, 02:09
Do you have a budget for P4 P? Or do you just let the chips fall? Is your budget stable or escalating (or decreasing). What is your yearly budget? Anyone care to share?
As usual, I have a difficult time connecting the dots in your logical train without having to make many assumptions while applying a large spoonful of cognitive dissonance. The first 2 points seem to be random thoughts so I'll leave you to it. The rest, in short, you claim that arrogance, prejudice, individualism, sexism, and ethnocentrism are due directly as a consequence of monogamy. I see no logical proof or even a logical roadmap to those claims. The claim that with polygamy, women would not charge? No. Attractive women will still prefer to sleep with attractive men, whatever attractive may mean. And the unattractive men will still pay to sleep with attractive women. It seems that you are implying that deprivation of sex leads to all vices. No. I am certainly more of a complicated organism than that. Having a month long mongering trip after which I no longer even desire sex, do I still have my feelings of arrogance, sexism, and prejudice? Admittingly so. We are more than our carnal desires for sex. Short of Mr Ho and PolyAm who also make many extreme unverifiable claims, I don't see anyone of logical mind who would share these extremist viewpoints.
1. Maybe in the case of the doctor, it should be a reversal. And by being nice the doctor should be the one providing the aid.
2. Maybe the chef should make meals en masse for lots of people, and instead of the waitress indirectly begging for tips, the visitors should get their food on their own.
Polyamorist
01-24-19, 03:03
4. A socio-economic prejudice is a term derived from differences in the society. Differences in the society is based on selfishness. Selfishness in turn based on individualism. Individualism based on a monogamous persons drive to pass his own genes onwards instead of the pack's.
Jazakallah, Pistons. Monogamy encourages possessiveness and jealousy which is selfish. FKKs are supposed to be monogamy-free environments, but the influence of the surrounding monogamous culture can be crushing. I've had girls get mad at me when they saw me with another girl. The fact that these jealous girls didn't know anything about me -- and sometimes couldn't even remember my name -- really drives home the point that jealousy is not Other-directed at all. It is all about Self and Ego.
Do you have a budget for P4 P? Or do you just let the chips fall? Is your budget stable or escalating (or decreasing). What is your yearly budget? Anyone care to share?I'm a fly in monger and don't have a hard budget but my yearly expenditure always comes out to around $25-30 K USD including travel and logistics. That's a respectable sum of money on this hobby but also a bit modest because that figure includes side excursions to non-mongering destinations. I'm pretty frugal with my accommodations and balance expensive Hessen days with cheaper days in clubs like Acapulco. I've never spent more than this on this hobby and foresee myself spending less as I find myself doing less and less girls every year because I spend more and more rooms with known commodities rather than trying as many girls as possible.
As for money directly spent in clubs, my average spend per day has reduced from 500 USD (plus or minus 100 USD) to around 350 USD (plus or minus 150 USD) for 40-50 club visits per year. I'm attempting to reduce my visits to around 35 days in 2019.
Jazakallah, Pistons. Monogamy encourages possessiveness and jealousy which is selfish. FKKs are supposed to be monogamy-free environments, but the influence of the surrounding monogamous culture can be crushing. I've had girls get mad at me when they saw me with another girl. The fact that these jealous girls didn't know anything about me -- and sometimes couldn't even remember my name -- really drives home the point that jealousy is not Other-directed at all. It is all about Self and Ego.I'm willing to bet that there is a strong and direct correlation between people who see the merits of monogamy and the ability to make strong emotional connections with others. I'm also willing to bet that the opposite is true.
Jazakallah, Pistons. Monogamy encourages possessiveness and jealousy which is selfish. FKKs are supposed to be monogamy-free environments, but the influence of the surrounding monogamous culture can be crushing. I've had girls get mad at me when they saw me with another girl. The fact that these jealous girls didn't know anything about me -- and sometimes couldn't even remember my name -- really drives home the point that jealousy is not Other-directed at all. It is all about Self and Ego.Well said!
And also, I don't think I defined in which direction the aid I mentioned was directed. In a certain amount of cases, the aid would be from the girl towards the guy. As the guy is most likely the one requiring the sex the most from a biological standpoint (correct me if I am wrong). As sex works as an immune system boost. Probably in a majority of the cases for a long time as our genes catch up in certain aspects. But in the context here on ISG I believe the original question was if it was OK for me from a richer European country to somehow take advantage of people from a poorer European country. And then aid is a way of macroeconomic income distribution from my pack to theirs. Us mongers in FKK's from rich countries are kind of like Robin Hoods, taking from a rich country, and giving to the poorer countries. As we take our currency out of circulation within a rich country and injects it into a poorer.
The fools gold we pay them with (currency) would truly turn into pyrite in a polygamous society as there would not even be the need for a monetary system.
For example, the doctor cartel would share their library of studies with the rest of us, and doctor (ibm) Watson would be prescribing us medicines as there would not be a need to hide information any longer in trade for pyrite (fiat currency). And possibly gene tech would make us resistant. Because why study medicine if not to help people from getting sick? Why instead would doctors charge huge amounts of pyrite for 10 minutes of their database googling time? Where is the passion for work really at? In digging for more pyrite? Or in making people healthy? And which god is the most righteous? The god that spurs health without a cost? Or the god that spurs affection anything that glimmers? Even the fools gold.
Well said!
And also, I don't think I defined in which direction the aid I mentioned was directed. In a certain amount of cases, the aid would be from the girl towards the guy. As the guy is most likely the one requiring the sex the most from a biological standpoint (correct me if I am wrong). As sex works as an immune system boost. Probably in a majority of the cases for a long time as our genes catch up in certain aspects. But in the context here on ISG I believe the original question was if it was OK for me from a richer European country to somehow take advantage of people from a poorer European country. And then aid is a way of macroeconomic income distribution from my pack to theirs. Us mongers in FKK's from rich countries are kind of like Robin Hoods, taking from a rich country, and giving to the poorer countries. As we take our currency out of circulation within a rich country and injects it into a poorer.
The fools gold we pay them with (currency) would truly turn into pyrite in a polygamous society as there would not even be the need for a monetary system..Some people has more flexible brain with ability to think with themselves, others do not and keep on mantra of what society implant them to think and say like an organic robots.
FKK are there to fuck girls and some may use it for escape from their relationship like marriage etc and some others are professional mongers all the way just interested in fucking many beautiful young girls without any string attached.
ExpatLover
01-24-19, 06:58
I'm a fly in monger and don't have a hard budget but my yearly expenditure always comes out to around $25-30 K USD including travel and logistics. That's a respectable sum of money on this hobby but also a bit modest because that figure includes side excursions to non-mongering destinations. I'm pretty frugal with my accommodations and balance expensive Hessen days with cheaper days in clubs like Acapulco. I've never spent more than this on this hobby and foresee myself spending less as I find myself doing less and less girls every year because I spend more and more rooms with known commodities rather than trying as many girls as possible.
As for money directly spent in clubs, my average spend per day has reduced from 500 USD (plus or minus 100 USD) to around 350 USD (plus or minus 150 USD) for 40-50 club visits per year. I'm attempting to reduce my visits to around 35 days in 2019.I guess that many of us are doing the same, I drastically reduced my expenses in clubs just because the possibilities to spend my money are less and less attractive, I will not spend money on Brenda or Mandy, Melanie, EMA. Only speaking from Shark's girls, I don t like those kind of veteran prostitutes going with everyone. Hopefully I am getting some great experiences with amateur girls in Germany, it is more challenging and time consuming than to go to a club but the experiences are far far better at least for me, I am a bit tired from those over fucked and washed FKK girls pussies.
What's not to get? As mongers, I think we all have to judge ourselves outside of societal norms. You can be respectful without being a white knight. Respect is just not being a shitty human being to other human beings and not believing that the prostitute is somehow a lower form of life than you.Yeah duh! We get that part. So, does a guy who goes on and on about how he respects women (when seemingly so many others don't according to him) turns around and seeks to perform ATM (ass-to-mouth) sex with a prostitute, is that somebody who truly respects women? Or just a sanctimonious somebody holding himself out to be better than virtually everybody else when he isn't so, and may be even worse in some respects? I think the latter. That was my point.
For example, the doctor cartel would share their library of studies with the rest of us, and doctor (ibm) Watson would be prescribing us medicines as there would not be a need to hide information any longer in trade for pyrite (fiat currency). And possibly gene tech would make us resistant. Because why study medicine if not to help people from getting sick? Why instead would doctors charge huge amounts of pyrite for 10 minutes of their database googling time?.Ridiculous, insulting, and disrespectful to people who spend the better part of a decade training in order to be able to deliver safe medical care. There is no hoarding of information as everything a physician knows can be googled like you suggest. However, the application of medicine is more complicated than you obviously give credit. Have fun parsing throughing differential diagnoses after wading through clinical symptoms while integrating them with imaging and laboratory data. Assuming you made the right diagnosis with doctor google, then enjoy googling your way through medications to pick the most appropriate treatment while avoiding side effects and medical interaction. And that's just general practice medicine without accounting for a need for interventions and rehab.
This is a juvenile statement indeed and shows a complete lack of understanding of modern medical complexity.
I've had girls get mad at me when they saw me with another girl. The fact that these jealous girls didn't know anything about me -- and sometimes couldn't even remember my name -- really drives home the point that jealousy is not Other-directed at all. It is all about Self and Ego.I don't think this is jealousy; they were mad just because they wanted that money spent on them rather than another girl.
Polyamorist
01-24-19, 16:31
I don't think this is jealousy; they were mad just because they wanted that money spent on them rather than another girl.Exactly! It's a form of superficial jealousy which is really self-interest disguised as jealousy: but all forms of jealousy boil down to selfishness ultimately.
In economics, monopolistic tactics artificially twist the market to favor the threatening party. Monogamy works the same way! In fact, I think corporations study the tactics of women to get a better grip on their employees and that is why they will get female HR managers. You will see the same tactics like intermittent punishments for barely understood transgressions.
HeyyyyyyPaul
01-24-19, 17:31
I'm a fly in monger and don't have a hard budget but my yearly expenditure always comes out to around $25-30 K USD including travel and logistics. That's a respectable sum of money on this hobby but also a bit modest because that figure includes side excursions to non-mongering destinations. I'm pretty frugal with my accommodations and balance expensive Hessen days with cheaper days in clubs like Acapulco. I've never spent more than this on this hobby and foresee myself spending less as I find myself doing less and less girls every year because I spend more and more rooms with known commodities rather than trying as many girls as possible.
As for money directly spent in clubs, my average spend per day has reduced from 500 USD (plus or minus 100 USD) to around 350 USD (plus or minus 150 USD) for 40-50 club visits per year. I'm attempting to reduce my visits to around 35 days in 2019.25 k a year just on the FKK scene?
Respectable.
Ridiculous, insulting, and disrespectful to people who spend the better part of a decade training in order to be able to deliver safe medical care. There is no hoarding of information as everything a physician knows can be googled like you suggest. However, the application of medicine is more complicated than you obviously give credit. Have fun parsing throughing differential diagnoses after wading through clinical symptoms while integrating them with imaging and laboratory data. Assuming you made the right diagnosis with doctor google, then enjoy googling your way through medications to pick the most appropriate treatment while avoiding side effects and medical interaction. And that's just general practice medicine without accounting for a need for interventions and rehab.
This is a juvenile statement indeed and shows a complete lack of understanding of modern medical complexity.I understood that you are in health care business and I am not, but I tend to give a lot of respect for certain occupations that actually help people like doctors as you mentioned. In one way, prostitutes too because they give men life lasting memories that we may not forget and as I said before I respect some girls I met in FKK for being / remaining really good heart person in such a hard situation they must be in life.
However, we get this in this sex forum a lot, but this is sex forum, so I think it is not right place to discuss moral or how some mongers are right human being than others in FKK or how some monger do not understand medical complexity of modern world etc.
This is sex forum and as much as some may like to think they are prompt than others, we are all in same cave and we are here to discuss sex, brothels, and related topics and only medical care I care related to FKK or sex forum is std and some wonderful medicines like Cialis LOL.
Beautiful prostitutes are my doctors too, they keep me sane in this insane world and gives me memories that echoes in eternity, I think right beautiful prostitutes fix more mental side of health than doctors can and in part, they even fix physical side too.
Ridiculous, insulting, and disrespectful to people who spend the better part of a decade training in order to be able to deliver safe medical care. There is no hoarding of information as everything a physician knows can be googled like you suggest. However, the application of medicine is more complicated than you obviously give credit. Have fun parsing throughing differential diagnoses after wading through clinical symptoms while integrating them with imaging and laboratory data. Assuming you made the right diagnosis with doctor google, then enjoy googling your way through medications to pick the most appropriate treatment while avoiding side effects and medical interaction. And that's just general practice medicine without accounting for a need for interventions and rehab.
This is a juvenile statement indeed and shows a complete lack of understanding of modern medical complexity.I get your point, but that is what Doctor Watson is for. Machine learning can do those tasks far better than any human being. Anyway, it was an example that can be used for almost, if not every profession out there.
I still don't think you follow my way of thought on the polygamous approach. And unless you do, it is like the discussion hits right past. So it is useless.
Ridiculous, insulting, and disrespectful to people who spend the better part of a decade training in order to be able to deliver safe medical care. There is no hoarding of information as everything a physician knows can be googled like you suggest. However, the application of medicine is more complicated than you obviously give credit. Have fun parsing throughing differential diagnoses after wading through clinical symptoms while integrating them with imaging and laboratory data. Assuming you made the right diagnosis with doctor google, then enjoy googling your way through medications to pick the most appropriate treatment while avoiding side effects and medical interaction. And that's just general practice medicine without accounting for a need for interventions and rehab.
This is a juvenile statement indeed and shows a complete lack of understanding of modern medical complexity.I get your point, but that is what Doctor Watson is for. Machine learning can do those tasks far better than any human being. Anyway, it was an example that can be used for almost, if not every profession out there.
https://youtu.be/r8M4TXLYJ6w
The idea is that eventually we will all have a medical kit at home using machine learning like ibm Watson, do some tests, upload them and then get prescriptions and best approach result shown to you.
I still don't think you follow my way of thought on the polygamous approach. And unless you do, it is like the discussion hits right past. So it is useless.
Polyamorist
01-24-19, 23:45
So, does a guy who goes on and on about how he respects women (when seemingly so many others don't according to him) turns around and seeks to perform ATM (ass-to-mouth) sex with a prostitute, is that somebody who truly respects women?What if it is the Lady who initiates rimming (ATM sex)? Is it disrespecting her to deny her that pleasure? And if you allow it is she disrespecting you by using you as a sex object? I finally understand why so many guys complain of being "treated like an ATM".
What if it is the Lady who initiates rimming (ATM sex)? Is it disrespecting her to deny her that pleasure? And if you allow it is she disrespecting you by using you as a sex object? I finally understand why so many guys complain of being "treated like an ATM".According to modern neoliberal justice practices, it doesn't matter what actions you or she makes. What matters is the perceived pretense of a potential possible action. Based on perceived preliminary ideas and statements. Not restricted to words, but also implied as a single impulse and how a random person subjectively reconstruct it.
For this, you can go to jail and get a death sentence. And you don't even need to travel across half the world. You can get the cops knocking on your door due to a comment on reddit. Or a glance at a woman's butt.
In short:
"They language they're speaking is a language of subtlety. Apparently it's something you don't understand." -Lois Griffin.That's a lot of words for saying absolutely nothing, but its OK, we all make mistakes.
What if it is the Lady who initiates rimming (ATM sex)? Is it disrespecting her to deny her that pleasure? And if you allow it is she disrespecting you by using you as a sex object? I finally understand why so many guys complain of being "treated like an ATM".The crux of what I'm talking about is people (could be a man or a woman) who go on and on acting like they are "better" than most anybody else because they act towards others in a more respectful manner. But when you look at what they actually do versus what they say, you realize that they are essentially being self-serving hypocrites who aren't any better and certainly don't hold the moral high ground they stake claim to.
25 k a year just on the FKK scene?
Respectable.Kinda sorta. 25-30 K USD includes travel logistics plus 3-4 day side excursions within an FKK trip to destinations where I don't monger. Actual money spent in clubs is more like 15-20 K.
I do have local friends that I monger with who probably spend over 30 K USD. Then there are monthly fly in mongers from the US who I suspect spend closer to 40 K USD on FKK scene alone.
That's a lot of words for saying absolutely nothing, but its OK, we all make mistakes.In my experience, the majority of fly in mongers are internally angry, social weirdos. I suggest more FKK trips and possibly make use of the time outside of the room to hone in some social skills.
The crux of what I'm talking about is people (could be a man or a woman) who go on and on acting like they are "better" than most anybody else because they act towards others in a more respectful manner. But when you look at what they actually do versus what they say, you realize that they are essentially being self-serving hypocrites who aren't any better and certainly don't hold the moral high ground they stake claim to.Sooner we men admit that the deep inside, we are nothing much more than another hentai wondering around on this planet earth. , easier life become for men. It is just that we cannot admit that in public, so we come to sex forum, yet, in this sex forum, we often get many guys who claim to be I am different to other mongers LOL. Well, we are all same mongers in same cave, some slightly worst than others with very small differences in what we are doing.
I get your point, but that is what Doctor Watson is for. Machine learning can do those tasks far better than any human being. Anyway, it was an example that can be used for almost, if not every profession out there.
https://youtu.be/r8M4TXLYJ6w
The idea is that eventually we will all have a medical kit at home using machine learning like ibm Watson, do some tests, upload them and then get prescriptions and best approach result shown to you.
I still don't think you follow my way of thought on the polygamous approach. And unless you do, it is like the discussion hits right past. So it is useless.Sorry but Watson is not AI. In that application, it's still just a tool used to integrate data, a tool that must be used by trained professionals. All of the data integration in the world can't replace human clinical assessment because symptoms are subjective. If you think data integration is all that is required to practice medicine, you don't understand medicine and shouldn't be practicing it. Computers without technician assessment can't even diagnose automobile problems reliably and you think it can integrate human anatomy, physiology, and pathology to diagnose and treat your medical conditions without train professionals? That's how people die; or get butt herpes.
Yeah duh! We get that part. So, does a guy who goes on and on about how he respects women (when seemingly so many others don't according to him) turns around and seeks to perform ATM (ass-to-mouth) sex with a prostitute, is that somebody who truly respects women? Or just a sanctimonious somebody holding himself out to be better than virtually everybody else when he isn't so, and may be even worse in some respects? I think the latter. That was my point.Not that I even do ATM but doing that does not negate respect. It's a "perverse" sexual act that can just be perceived as erotic, a fetish even. If the same guy is turned on by having a girl shit on his stomach, I'm guessing he doesn't feel disrespected.
What I was talking about was just basic respect that is obviously often not given. Common claims like, "I only see value in young women before they are old and fucked. " Or things like, "these tutes should be grateful for my 50 euro because they are from poor countries because I am providing them aid. " That's the ethno-socio-economic prejudice and sexism that I am talking about. Those people obviously are implying that there are tiers of human beings based on gender and socio-economic background.
25 k a year just on the FKK scene? Respectable.Last year I started to keep close track of my mongering expenses (not limited to FKK land though) including flights, lodging, car rental, gas, etc. I was really shocked of how much I was spending; way way more than I thought. I have slowed down since then and am very careful now with how and when I spend it. You may not realize how much you are spending until you keep track.
Polyamorist
01-25-19, 04:01
The crux of what I'm talking about is people (could be a man or a woman) who go on and on acting like they are "better" than most anybody else because they act towards others in a more respectful manner. But when you look at what they actually do versus what they say, you realize that they are essentially being self-serving hypocrites who aren't any better and certainly don't hold the moral high ground they stake claim to.Yeah. I know some Christian Evangelists like that. But I haven't visited their church to see what their rimming practices are like.
What if it is the Lady who initiates rimming (ATM sex)? Is it disrespecting her to deny her that pleasure? And if you allow it is she disrespecting you by using you as a sex object? I finally understand why so many guys complain of being "treated like an ATM".According to modern neoliberal justice practices, it doesn't matter what actions you or she makes. What matters is the perceived pretense of a potential possible action. Based on perceived preliminary ideas and statements. Not restricted to words, but also implied as a single impulse and how a random person subjectively reconstruct it.
For this, you can go to jail and get a death sentence. And you don't even need to travel across half the world. You can get the cops knocking on your door due to a comment on reddit. Or a glance at a woman's butt.
Wellcome to Ingsoc!
As usual, I have a difficult time connecting the dots in your logical train without having to make many assumptions while applying a large spoonful of cognitive dissonance. The first 2 points seem to be random thoughts so I'll leave you to it. The rest, in short, you claim that arrogance, prejudice, individualism, sexism, and ethnocentrism are due directly as a consequence of monogamy. I see no logical proof or even a logical roadmap to those claims. The claim that with polygamy, women would not charge? No. Attractive women will still prefer to sleep with attractive men, whatever attractive may mean. And the unattractive men will still pay to sleep with attractive women. It seems that you are implying that deprivation of sex leads to all vices. No. I am certainly more of a complicated organism than that. Having a month long mongering trip after which I no longer even desire sex, do I still have my feelings of arrogance, sexism, and prejudice? Admittingly so. We are more than our carnal desires for sex. Short of Mr Ho and PolyAm who also make many extreme unverifiable claims, I don't see anyone of logical mind who would share these extremist viewpoints.Asking for payment of any kind for sex was the first profession there was. It might also be the last one to die out too. I don't know. But the idea is that if the society changes sexual structure, with it everything else also changes. It is basically a anthropology discussion we are having here on sex and reproduction. You can find classes on youtube from Yale anthropology. Highly interesting stuff if one has spare time to kill. And it relates to population control, globalization, bi / lesbian / gay agenda, agenda 21, united nations, bilderberg group, feminism and so on. One of the major contributors to the founding of anthropology as a field of study was Rockefeller. And there is a reason why. The freemasons believe in this. They are not really Christians as per say, but luciferians. And when you travel the train of thought back to the very beginning, you understand why. It makes perfect sense.
Yeah. I know some Christian Evangelists like that. But I haven't visited their church to see what their rimming practices are like.What do you think the vatican pope cardinal's pine cone is for? By using the pine cone's fibonacci sequence, they can open up the bumhole in a more natural way. LOL.
Steve 9696
01-25-19, 05:12
Kinda sorta. 25-30 K USD includes travel logistics plus 3-4 day side excursions within an FKK trip to destinations where I don't monger. Actual money spent in clubs is more like 15-20 K.
I do have local friends that I monger with who probably spend over 30 K USD. Then there are monthly fly in mongers from the US who I suspect spend closer to 40 K USD on FKK scene alone.
.Wow. 40 K on FKK. A dream. Still 15-20 K is quite respectable. Kosher Kowboy -- you are ther all the time -- care to share your budget? I know your predilection for Dietz probably helps.
I don't get benefit of FKK pricing often, so that hurts my expenses a lot. I started tracking about 3 years ago and said "I won't spend more than 4 K€" and came close. Then the next year. No more than 8 K. Last year no more than 12 K. This year I hope to stay in that 12 K range again -- busy year last year -- but it's starting off with a bang, so. We shall see.
Key of course is keeping it in my pants in the US. Really most pretty girls are going to be $400 and up. Thailand, Germany, and Brazil have the best prices, so visits there really help. Fortunately I have no travel costs since it's all work related.
What do you think the vatican pope cardinal's pine cone is for? By using the pine cone's fibonacci sequence, they can open up the bumhole in a more natural way. LOL.Usually they like men, not women by looking at past cases that surfaced.
According to modern neoliberal justice practices, it doesn't matter what actions you or she makes. What matters is the perceived pretense of a potential possible action. Based on perceived preliminary ideas and statements. Not restricted to words, but also implied as a single impulse and how a random person subjectively reconstruct it.
For this, you can go to jail and get a death sentence. And you don't even need to travel across half the world. You can get the cops knocking on your door due to a comment on reddit. Or a glance at a woman's butt.
Wellcome to Ingsoc!There are different price tags to pussies, but the most expensive ones are pussies belonging to so called wife, usually it is not the best one in terms of optic, but many men foolishly decide to invest millions of usd and a lot of time for it.
Sorry but Watson is not AI. In that application, it's still just a tool used to integrate data, a tool that must be used by trained professionals. All of the data integration in the world can't replace human clinical assessment because symptoms are subjective. If you think data integration is all that is required to practice medicine, you don't understand medicine and shouldn't be practicing it. Computers without technician assessment can't even diagnose automobile problems reliably and you think it can integrate human anatomy, physiology, and pathology to diagnose and treat your medical conditions without train professionals? That's how people die; or get butt herpes.For the time being it must be used by professionals. But as the technology advances and improves, the skill levels required to operate it can be lowered. I don't think I used the term AI. Even AI experts can't agree on what AI is. But it is machine learning / deep learning. You don't need perfect AI to operate a self driving car either, and at certain stages in advancement you need the driver. Your sex robot cannot replace a human being completely either. At least until the technology advances far enough and we either clone humans without a brain but with a computer head, or if we use grown human skin on their limbs and somehow make the eye movements fluid. There is even people working on automating politicians, and at university I had Indian IT guys working in robotics and AI taking the same cognitive thinking course that I did. But the idea was more the cartels operating in certain fields and their withholding of information, than the question weather or not everything can be fully automated. With or without true AI. There are some economics literature on how especially the German workers guilds were among the first and historically most effective at this withholding of information. It has definitely served Germany well, but you cannot beat a machine. Unless you do like the Germans and become one. Then maybe the difference is a bit lower. LOL.
Still I think all information will be released to the public eventually. I surely have searching in pubmed only to be allowed reading the synopsis at least. Soros's Open Society movement is working on releasing this and all similar information to the public across all fields of work. Because it really it a derivative of monogamy essentially.
"these tutes should be grateful for my 50 euro because they are from poor countries because I am providing them aid."What really happened:
1. Your first paragraph only makes sense if I would have the general neoliberal idea regarding monogamy. Which is wrong. So I don't! And I don't see any issue with coming from a richer country to hand out currency to women from a more liberal poor country than mine. I even consider it as aid, and feel it should therefore give me tax refund. You can google 'rethinking prostitution in Thailand' for a good thesis regarding this.Notice the applied context.
. Thailand, Germany, and Brazil have the best prices, so visits there really help. Fortunately I have no travel costs since it's all work related.Thailand is really becoming expensive among the south east Asian crowd. Philippines has always been cheaper. Then Cambodia is even cheaper than that and Myanmar even more so. Bangladesh is silly cheap is you want to hunt in the mire. But try to avoid the crocs. I also thought the turmoil in Venezuela lowered the prices in Colombia a lot, and the odd guy I meet sometimes claims nothing beats Madagascar in price and quality. Kenya and several other African countries are even cheaper than that too. But maybe some places are just less known and less developed than others. At least for the international crowds.
Asking for payment of any kind for sex was the first profession there was. It might also be the last one to die out too. I don't know. But the idea is that if the society changes sexual structure, with it everything else also changes. It is basically a anthropology discussion we are having here on sex and reproduction. You can find classes on youtube from Yale anthropology. Highly interesting stuff if one has spare time to kill. And it relates to population control, globalization, bi / lesbian / gay agenda, agenda 21, united nations, bilderberg group, feminism and so on. One of the major contributors to the founding of anthropology as a field of study was Rockefeller. And there is a reason why. The freemasons believe in this. They are not really Christians as per say, but luciferians. And when you travel the train of thought back to the very beginning, you understand why. It makes perfect sense.I'm pretty sure hunter-gatherer was likely the first actual "profession" but I guess using that cliche makes it easier to support your theories. If society changes dietary structure, everything changes. Eating cows is the reason for wars and currency!
That's the ethno-socio-economic prejudice and sexism that I am talking about.Not going to quote the part above because it is a complete misquote. But trying not to repeat muself here as this discussion is drifting off-topic now. You don't see any form of socio-economic prejuduce being a doctor and making a 6-figure salary per year while using that as a sales points towards getting affection from girls?
3 phrases, 3 words each.
Six-Pack Abs.
Six Figure Salary.
Not dad's age.Sexism is the hard one to coin as there is definite differences between the sexes. Therefore it is hard not to define people by their sex. But having derogatory prejudices towards the other sex is hardly something I suspect anyone in here of having no matter their sometimes weird kinks. Now violence between the sexes among great apes is unfortunately a common trait. And that is one of the first things an anthropologist looks at when studying monogamous societies against polygamous ones.
What really happened:
Notice the applied context.Your context changes nothing. You paid for a service and called it "aid. " And you only consider it aid because it's to poorer country, that's self righteous as shit.
I'm pretty sure hunter-gatherer was likely the first actual "profession" but I guess using that cliche makes it easier to support your theories. If society changes dietary structure, everything changes. Eating cows is the reason for wars and currency!This is getting off topic by a large amout here, so it will be my last comment on it. I suppose it depends on how you define a profession. The hunter gatherer might have gathereed some sustainanse for himself prior to trading it for sex. But if a profession is defined as trading, and the sustainance is the currency, then procreation (sex) and the evolvement of the species would be the reward. Way before we left the oceans and crawled up on land.
Your context changes nothing. You paid for a service and called it "aid. " And you only consider it aid because it's to poorer country, that's self righteous as shit.OK, so trying to rewind this a bit and getting more on track here.
How do you answer this question then? You know I like to exaggerate, but do a go yourself?
"So there is no ethical problem that you flied from a rich country because of your birth luck to fuck and do all kinds of perverted sex acts on the FKK WGs who are in this business because they are poor and have bad birth luck?" Removed 'European'.
Also adding the assumption that all sex acts between man and women are perverted.
Polyamorist
01-26-19, 01:02
Your context changes nothing. You paid for a service and called it "aid. " And you only consider it aid because it's to poorer country, that's self righteous as shit.Is it better to do it self-righteously or with self-flagellation? Either way it remains the most straightforward and honest means of wealth redistribution that I know of. Once this redistribution was local; now it is global. From us money is pouring into these poor countries and gradually they are improving their infrastructure. This is better than foreign aid programs with their conditions and debt traps. It is better than giving to big charities: you never really know where that money is going. If you want to be sure, you need to go personally to where the need is greatest. That is what I do.
Hamdulillah!
This is getting off topic by a large amout here, so it will be my last comment on it. I suppose it depends on how you define a profession. The hunter gatherer might have gathereed some sustainanse for himself prior to trading it for sex. But if a profession is defined as trading, and the sustainance is the currency, then procreation (sex) and the evolvement of the species would be the reward. Way before we left the oceans and crawled up on land.I define profession like normal people do, your job or duty to your society. Sustenance for survival is the first mission in life. Procreation comes as a later goal for your genes and species. First profession: hunter-gatherer.
Probably best practice to do it with no self righteousness or self flagellation at all. Either way, paying hookers for a service and then turning around and patting yourself on the back by stating that you are giving them is aid is a whole lot of horse shit and you all know it.
Second quote again skips so many points of logic to make a point, as per usual (I. E implying that the poster may suggest that all sexualnactd are perverted.). It even quotes someone other than myself. I suggest you ask the original poster your question.
Is it better to do it self-righteously or with self-flagellation? Either way it remains the most straightforward and honest means of wealth redistribution that I know of. Once this redistribution was local; now it is global. From us money is pouring into these poor countries and gradually they are improving their infrastructure. This is better than foreign aid programs with their conditions and debt traps. It is better than giving to big charities: you never really know where that money is going. If you want to be sure, you need to go personally to where the need is greatest. That is what I do.
Hamdulillah!
OK, so trying to rewind this a bit and getting more on track here.
How do you answer this question then? You know I like to exaggerate, but do a go yourself?
"So there is no ethical problem that you flied from a rich country because of your birth luck to fuck and do all kinds of perverted sex acts on the FKK WGs who are in this business because they are poor and have bad birth luck?" Removed 'European'.
Also adding the assumption that all sex acts between man and women are perverted.
In economics, monopolistic tactics artificially twist the market to favor the threatening party. Monogamy works the same way! In fact, I think corporations study the tactics of women to get a better grip on their employees and that is why they will get female HR managers. You will see the same tactics like intermittent punishments for barely understood transgressions.What's funny with the guys trouncing monogamy and blaming so many of society's vices on it is that without monogamy you don't even get polygamy in social species; rather, you tend to get polygyny, one alpha male breeding with all of the females while the beta males fight for survival and the occasional "sneak fuck" to slip in his genes. That or wait until the alpha is too old and weak. See lions, gorillas, cavemen, etc. I have doubts that some of the polygamy cheerleaders would benefit in that society.
What that leads to is lack of genetic diversity and poor fitness as a species to survive in face of changing environmental threats. At least I'm citing a well accepted concept of evolutionary population genetics rather than some far off anthropological sect from Yale that's not even close to universally recognized.
Heck, even modern polygamy seen in Islam has to impose a 4 wives limit. Why limit it? I'm not certain, but since Islam is a relatively modern religion, I'm sure they had some insight on how poorly this polygamy thing could have worked out. Hell, it's such a bad idea that they hardly even practice it anymore.
TejaIdharHai
01-26-19, 12:59
Hey Guys.
I'm planning to try out FKK club in Frankfurt.
Let me know if anyone is looking to join.
I define profession like normal people do, your job or duty to your society. Sustenance for survival is the first mission in life. Procreation comes as a later goal for your genes and species. First profession: hunter-gatherer.Hunting / gathering and sex is like the chicken or the egg. But I wouldn't define hunter / gathering as a profession as long as you don't trade it away. But the resource you need to trade away for sex was more like the first currency. Like nitrogen for example.
As an example, the dirt beetle still use nitrogen as currency. Due to the lack of nitrogen at the bottom of the jungle and how nitrogen helps more eggs hatch, and help the little dirt beetle babies grow larger. The easiest source of nitrogen at the bottom of the jungle is thus fe. Ces. The bigger the ball of dirt a female gets paid with (prostitution), the merrier and healthier children she will get to hatch after laying her eggs inside the nitrogen rich shitball. So the men fight it out after each big jungle animal takes a shit, just to get the biggest dirt ball (money) to trade off to the best females in trade for sex so he can pass his genes of. Simply because they will know who the dad is, and every male dirt beetle wants his genes to live on.
Probably best practice to do it with no self righteousness or self flagellation at all. Either way, paying hookers for a service and then turning around and patting yourself on the back by stating that you are giving them is aid is a whole lot of horse shit and you all know it.
Second quote again skips so many points of logic to make a point, as per usual (I. E implying that the poster may suggest that all sexualnactd are perverted.). It even quotes someone other than myself. I suggest you ask the original poster your question.Of course it wasn't you who asked the question. But bfsie. Yet I directed it towards you. And the later part is important because if you define all acts of sex as perverted, then you either must be self-righteous, or self-flagellated. You cannot be neutral, and I suspect that was the entire point bfsie wanted to make. Now he can correct me if I am wrong.
What's funny with the guys trouncing monogamy and blaming so many of society's vices on it is that without monogamy you don't even get polygamy in social species; rather, you tend to get polygyny, one alpha male breeding with all of the females while the beta males fight for survival and the occasional "sneak fuck" to slip in his genes. That or wait until the alpha is too old and weak. See lions, gorillas, cavemen, etc. I have doubts that some of the polygamy cheerleaders would benefit in that society.
What that leads to is lack of genetic diversity and poor fitness as a species to survive in face of changing environmental threats. At least I'm citing a well accepted concept of evolutionary population genetics rather than some far off anthropological sect from Yale that's not even close to universally recognized.
Heck, even modern polygamy seen in Islam has to impose a 4 wives limit. Why limit it? I'm not certain, but since Islam is a relatively modern religion, I'm sure they had some insight on how poorly this polygamy thing could have worked out. Hell, it's such a bad idea that they hardly even practice it anymore.Why quote the youtube yale classes without having watched them? They are just easy to refer to since they are available on the web (youtube). Gorillas are talked about, and as you say are very violent as well. And especially also between the sexes. The betas kill the babies like mad. Monogamous tribes also came before polygamous tribes. You are right. But if you want to look at a polygamous great ape tribe, bonobos are the only ones. And no violence.
Islam is a war religion just like Christianity and Judaism. The 4 wife deal was there just to replenish their armies faster after men died in war and there was a female surplus.
i don't see any issue with coming from a richer country to hand out currency to women from a more liberal poor country than mine. I even consider it as aid, and feel it should therefore give me tax refund.Aid and tax refunds. The first word does not negate that the receiver does not gain benefit but the connotation of the word "aid" does imply that the giver does it with benevolence. The second term, tax refunds (assuming you mean a refund due to tax exemption) means you gave without receiving a fair priced good or service in return (I. E. Giving to charity). By invoking that term, you imply that you are benevolent giver. I fail to see a misquote.
Not going to quote the part above because it is a complete misquote. But trying not to repeat muself here as this discussion is drifting off-topic now. You don't see any form of socio-economic prejuduce being a doctor and making a 6-figure salary per year while using that as a sales points towards getting affection from girls?Speaking of misquoting (still fail to see where.). The tons of guys out there using their profession to impress girls are probably also materialistic douchebags, not sure who that applies to here. And if they did, at least they are using something earned to their advantage, not just some luck of the draw place of birth advantage and then claiming to be giving aid to a prostitutes when paying them.
That being said, I don't know what the fair market salary of a physician versus say a marketing-sales guy is but the value to society, compensation for training, and replace ability probably makes that fair value at least 50-100% higher, just my guesstimate.
Kinda sorta. 25-30 K USD includes travel logistics plus 3-4 day side excursions within an FKK trip to destinations where I don't monger. Actual money spent in clubs is more like 15-20 K.
I do have local friends that I monger with who probably spend over 30 K USD. Then there are monthly fly in mongers from the US who I suspect spend closer to 40 K USD on FKK scene alone.
In my experience, the majority of fly in mongers are internally angry, social weirdos. I suggest more FKK trips and possibly make use of the time outside of the room to hone in some social skills.That's hilarious and oh so true considering that you are a "fly in monger". Be careful throwing stones in glass houses. But you are nailing the description of yourself.
Recommending more trips to FKK: s to improve ones "social skills" is rather hilarious as well and a terrible advice. FKK: s are meat markets.
Blar blar blar.Adults are speaking.
That's hilarious and oh so true considering that you are a "fly in monger". Be careful throwing stones in glass houses. But you are nailing the description of yourself.
Recommending more trips to FKK: s to improve ones "social skills" is rather hilarious as well and a terrible advice. FKK: s are meat markets.I have my own issues for sure for which I am aware. Can we all here say the same?
You can gain social skills in any situation. Not seeing opportunity is a personal flaw.
Would gladly meet others and socialize to compare and compete over whatever rather than keyboard warrior. My insecurities and I can always use the ego boost and / or reality check.
Hunting / gathering and sex is like the chicken or the egg. But I wouldn't define hunter / gathering as a profession as long as you don't trade it away. But the resource you need to trade away for sex was more like the first currency. Logical flaw. It's only the chicken or egg situation if you assume females can't hunt which is obviously not true. Males might be better apt but females obviously do. You don't think female lions in Africa take down gazelles everyday?
Hell, even ignoring the previous fact, a cavewoman can pick a fucking berry without needing to barter sex for it. Pick more berries than you can eat. Bring the berries back to the trbe to help feed the tribe. The tribe provides safety in numbers. That's your fucking profession, no pun intended.
Why quote the youtube yale classes without having watched them?Well I didn't quote them. That's an original thought with personal knowledge. Doesn't say much about the insightfulness of those videos if a non expert such as myself can just spurt out those concepts on a whim.
Monogamous tribes also came before polygamous tribes. You are right. But if you want to look at a polygamous great ape tribe, bonobos are the only ones. And no violence.Well I never said that, but that seems irrelevant anyway. I did say that in the absence of monogamy, you tend to not have polygamy, you tend to have polygyny. A fact supported by your assertion that bonobos are the only polygamous great ape. I go on to say that removing monogamy hurts most men and only benefits a few alpha types so trouncing monogamy seems to not be in the best interest of its handful of critics here.
Islam is a war religion just like Christianity and Judaism. The 4 wife deal was there just to replenish their armies faster after men died in war and there was a female surplus.I fail to see the logic in implementing a four wife limit with a female surplus. You place a limit when supply is low, not high. And after scouring the web on why there is a limit, I see no reference to or proof of your claim.
Adults are speaking.Well rationally speaking, with contents of your blah blah on sex forum, it is hard to believe that you are. And man, you do this to many people on sex forum, this time you are targeting Piston, who is nice enough to bother to reply to your each blah blah on sex forum.
That's hilarious and oh so true considering that you are a "fly in monger". Be careful throwing stones in glass houses. But you are nailing the description of yourself.
Recommending more trips to FKK: s to improve ones "social skills" is rather hilarious as well and a terrible advice. FKK: s are meat markets.Want to improve your social skills? Then go to as many FKK sauna clubs as possible and answer the following series of mature, "adult" questions (over and over and over again):
1. Hi, what is your name?
2. Where are you from?
3. Is this your first time here?
4. Would you like to go to the room now?
5. How about two girls?
6. Tell me, how old are you?
7. Can you guess my age?
8. How come you are not ready to go to the room now?
9. Are you waiting for somebody?
10. OK, maybe later?
Master the answers to these challenging questions and noticeably improve your social skills! Yes, absolutely knee-slapping, hilariously funny! And why it's a bad idea to take advice on important subjects from anonymous, self-appointed experts on the internet.
Of course it wasn't you who asked the question. But bfsie. Yet I directed it towards you. And the later part is important because if you define all acts of sex as perverted, then you either must be self-righteous, or self-flagellated. You cannot be neutral, and I suspect that was the entire point bfsie wanted to make. Now he can correct me if I am wrong.My answer is that there is nothing ethically wrong with citizens of richer countries going to other countries and paying for sex with girls from poor backgrounds. What I was calling people out on was claiming righteousness because you are claiming to be providing aid when the reality that it is just a fair exchange of money for services.
Polyamorist
01-27-19, 00:47
That's hilarious and oh so true considering that you are a "fly in monger". Be careful throwing stones in glass houses. But you are nailing the description of yourself.
Ya Kharaashy, how much harder it is for a man to fly out of Sex Prison if Sex Prison is in his own head.
Ya Kharaashy, how much harder it is for a man to fly out of Sex Prison if Sex Prison is in his own head.Oh the irony of claiming someone is in a sex prison in his own head when speaking about someone who pays for sex in large sex addict level quantities. Some quibs sound good at first and then details happen. LOL.
Well rationally speaking, with contents of your blah blah on sex forum, it is hard to believe that you are. And man, you do this to many people on sex forum, this time you are targeting Piston, who is nice enough to bother to reply to your each blah blah on sex forum.Hey Ho, can you tell us about your last FKK trip? Was it 2017? Or maybe 2016? It's been a while since you've stepped in one right?
Alternatives to speaking with a girl even in an FKK are:
"oh you went to Thailand too? Did you like the Kao Mun Gai? Did you go to Pattaya or Phuket? Which hotel did you stay?
"Oh Amsterdam? What's your favorite coffee shop?
"So you think Germans act like emotionless robots too huh? Yeah they're kinda dry but really, they're good people."
You know, normal people things.
And that's why it's self-limiting to take advice from anonymous internet social retards.
Be a winner, not a weirdo.
Want to improve your social skills? Then go to as many FKK sauna clubs as possible and answer the following series of mature, "adult" questions (over and over and over again):
1. Hi, what is your name?
2. Where are you from?
3. Is this your first time here?
4. Would you like to go to the room now?
5. How about two girls?.
Hey Ho, can you tell us about your last FKK trip? Was it 2017? Or maybe 2016? It's been a while since you've stepped in one right?Last Feb, yeah it has been a year. You wear amount of time you frequent yourself to FKK as a badge of honor as if that is the only place you can go, how sad is that. And I feel sorry for you sticking up to many people on sex forum about your medical whatever you like to blah blah about LOL.
There is good mongering where I live too. FKK cater me white and exotic sector of my lust.
From now on, I just through your posts unless I want to reply as it is stalking post you do and thanks to Mr piston handling your stalking posts about your blah blah on sex forum LOL.
Alternatives to speaking with a girl even in an FKK are:
"oh you went to Thailand too? Did you like the Kao Mun Gai? Did you go to Pattaya or Phuket? Which hotel did you stay?
"Oh Amsterdam? What's your favorite coffee shop?
"So you think Germans act like emotionless robots too huh? Yeah they're kinda dry but really, they're good people."
You know, normal people things.
And that's why it's self-limiting to take advice from anonymous internet social retards.
Be a winner, not a weirdo.And hey, please calm down Takedown, take your temper down little bit, calm down, man please LOL, you know calm down take down? LOL.
Want to improve your social skills? Then go to as many FKK sauna clubs as possible and answer the following series of mature, "adult" questions (over and over and over again):
1. Hi, what is your name?
2. Where are you from?
3. Is this your first time here?
4. Would you like to go to the room now?
5. How about two girls?.Hilarious, but it is actually a pretty interesting subject someone working on robotics and cognitive thinking could look at as a simplified model for basic conversations.
https://youtu.be/ay3lGdqSjXc
I am sure that at some level this can be extrapolated into other situations too. Just that the other situations doesn't repeat themselves ad nauseum ad infinitum LOL.
Alternatives to speaking with a girl even in an FKK are:
"oh you went to Thailand too? Did you like the Kao Mun Gai? Did you go to Pattaya or Phuket? Which hotel did you stay?
"Oh Amsterdam? What's your favorite coffee shop?
"So you think Germans act like emotionless robots too huh? Yeah they're kinda dry but really, they're good people."
You know, normal people things.
And that's why it's self-limiting to take advice from anonymous internet social retards.
Be a winner, not a weirdo.We all must remember to practice what we preach by starting with the man in the mirror.
We all must remember to practice what we preach by starting with the man in the mirror.Yessir. Trying to improve myself everyday hence the seeing opportunity in every situation statement. I'm glad you agree with me. Another past time is calling out bullshit when I see it. Apparently people don't like it very much when you do that. They often become angry and illogical. Oh well. What is it that the kids say? "Do you ".
That being said, the rest is not pertinent to TheCane except to say that you have some interesting compatriots who are at odds with me at the moment. Not the likes of respected posters like Optimist or McAdonis, or even newer guys like KK. Just have a scroll. You are the company you keep as they say.
I'm glad that this is the Lounge and Chat threat which affords actual FKK goers a sub-forum to talk about a diverse array of topics not specific to a particular FKK. People can choose to visit this sub-forum for shooting the shit or not. What is a little amusing are the children who tend to cry when you don't talk about what they want to talk about.
And hey, please calm down Takedown, take your temper down little bit, calm down, man please LOL, you know calm down take down? LOL.Perhaps the humor that warrants a LOL was lost in translation.
Last Feb, yeah it has been a year.
OK, well I be looking forward to go back to good old Germany once the weather is warm, too cold now in EU.So did you make an impromptu trip shortly after stating that the weather was to cold to visit in February 2018? Didn't seem like there were any reports from that month. Perhaps you meant 2 years ago. Or even 3.
The idea that people on the internet is weird and people not on the internet are cool is a interesting nowadays. Especially if the assumption is that it is normal to be cool and uncommon to be weird. But the opposite seems to be happening. With new media, smart phones and internet all around, even at the gym I see half the gymoholics there lost in an unsocial world not communicating much.
On a Friday or Saturday night, pickup lines are as dull as the general FKK conversations are, and girls grow tired of going out to get hit up by 20 year old guys who are too nervous to think while their hormones go amoc, due to playing too much computer games at home and staring into a monitor full of blue light radiation messing with their circadian cycles. Which is why I use 2 filters on my phone to turn off the blue light buy the way.
Today the internet has evolved so much that most intellectual conversations originate almost exclusively on the internet. So that the internet is for weirdos is something of an oxymoron. But I suppose Einstein was a weirdo too. He definitely was I suppose.
But a problem with the internet culture might more be the lack of physical impulse connections than on the intellectual level. Maybe this is also why so many male boys these days have adhd. Just meeting the other sex more often might help them. And to find areas where they can leave their phones off.
Perhaps the humor that warrants a LOL was lost in translation.Look down this thread, if you can still see yourself in mirror LOL. It is mostly you replying to every single little posts on each and individuals who write something as if this is the only place you have in your life to prove something to each individuals you are writing back with hostility LOL.
Like with Mr Piston, you break down peoples sentences, and try to prove your points as if people are writing it so seriously as you, this is just enigma what you are trying to do here on sex forum, man, this is sex forum LOL. I tend to care less about sex forum, I just write for fun and mess around, if you take it so seriously, it is my bad because I do not take sex forum seriously as you do LOL.
Look, it is like one of those signs in park where it says, please do not feed pigeons LOL. It is in part our faults to feed you with something you can feed on, so I stop feeding you with food LOL.
And all those theories of you about medical care in health care home or your hard immigrating to USA from Thailand and communication with other humans etc. Do that wining and moaning to girls in FKK please, they will be happy to hear your mumbling for 50 euro per 30 min and they will adjust stories to your stories LOL, yes they offer that kind of service too LOL, no wonder why you keep on emphasizing about how you frequent German FKK, which I do not even think it is true with nursery level of income LOL. I make one to three trips max per year and for me this is more than enough for sex with white girls, I got other good things here.
By the way, nursery job, taking care of elderly is the job nobody want to do, not because you need difficult qualification, but due to its difficulty to deal with many things people do not want to deal with, but somehow unfairly low paid for amount of dirty work they have to do, so if one is doing it promptly with professionalism, then it is respectable job. Though I feel there should be more screening and filter to check who they employ because there are many wrong doing conducted in that industry like what happened to girl in coma in USA caring home with unwanted pregnancy while in coma. So FKK and such job is not good match, even scary match I think. But again, nobody want to do the jobs, so someone has to be employed and take such job. Do it right, then it is very respectable job.
The idea that people on the internet is weird and people not on the internet are cool is a interesting nowadays. Especially if the assumption is that it is normal to be cool and uncommon to be weird. But the opposite seems to be happening. With new media, smart phones and internet all around, even at the gym I see half the gymoholics there lost in an unsocial world not communicating much.
Today the internet has evolved so much that most intellectual conversations originate almost exclusively on the internet. So that the internet is for weirdos is something of an oxymoron. But I suppose Einstein was a weirdo too. He definitely was I suppose.Obviously not excluding myself from this classification but there's a big difference between people casually using social media and people writing on special interest forums. The average Reddit user is probably a lot more geeky than the rest of the internet-using world. By nature, a geek (aka an enthusiast to the dork level) will make the extra effort to find special interest forums. The next big step forward into dorkdom is making the jump from casual reader, scouring for information, to active participant.
The internet may not be for weirdos, but average users of special topic forums probably are a bit weird. Again, I'm explicitly not excluding myself. Wouldn't want to ruffle the natives.
I'm glad that this is the Lounge and Chat threat which affords actual FKK goers a sub-forum to talk about a diverse array of topics not specific to a particular FKK. People can choose to visit this sub-forum for shooting the shit or not. What is a little amusing are the children who tend to cry when you don't talk about what they want to talk about.Some people debate in an attempt to reach the "right conclusions". And then there are those who debate simply because they need to be "right" no matter what, and always have to have the last word. Now that's what you call childish.
ILuvBrownGirls
01-28-19, 13:34
In Germany for a few days and just wondering what a reasonable price for anal is in the FKK clubs. She doesn't have to be a 9 or 10 but prefers she is not a 3 either. I am indifferent to BJs and DFK, just need that starfish!
Obviously not excluding myself from this classification but there's a big difference between people casually using social media and people writing on special interest forums. The average Reddit user is probably a lot more geeky than the rest of the internet-using world. By nature, a geek (aka an enthusiast to the dork level) will make the extra effort to find special interest forums. The next big step forward into dorkdom is making the jump from casual reader, scouring for information, to active participant.
The internet may not be for weirdos, but average users of special topic forums probably are a bit weird. Again, I'm explicitly not excluding myself. Wouldn't want to ruffle the natives.You are right there are some distinctive layers to it, but I am not so sure the layers are always as you point them out.
For example, a reader and a writer can just as much be determined on an extrovert. Introvert scale. Or on some other scale. Not necessarily on a dorky scale.
Also forums over lighter forms of media is highly gender based in some instances. Dorkiness can also be defined as a hobby, so the dork word as opposed to the dork word is just positive and negative descriptions of the same thing. And who doesn't have hobbies? The question is just if the hobby is good for you or not.
Someone posting on health and lifestyle forums every day might learn a great deal of really important stuff. On this forum we might learn more about where to go to get some sort of best experience. While other forums like gaming are very escapist in their forms. Compiling them all in one basket would be flawed based on activity levels alone.
Some people debate in an attempt to reach the "right conclusions". And then there are those who debate simply because they need to be "right" no matter what, and always have to have the last word. Now that's what you call childish.Textbook ad hominem attacks. It seems that you are 2 peas in a pod with Ho. Yikes.
Let me throw in a positive note by saying that there are posters here who regularly make well articulated arguments thus providing good learning opportunities. Posters like McAdonis, Bfsie, and Optimist all provide good insight and make points that are well thought out.
In Germany for a few days and just wondering what a reasonable price for anal is in the FKK clubs. She doesn't have to be a 9 or 10 but prefers she is not a 3 either. I am indifferent to BJs and DFK, just need that starfish!100 in Hessen and 50 and up in NRW.
You are right there are some distinctive layers to it, but I am not so sure the layers are always as you point them out.
For example, a reader and a writer can just as much be determined on an extrovert. Introvert scale. Or on some other scale. Not necessarily on a dorky scale.
Also forums over lighter forms of media is highly gender based in some instances. Dorkiness can also be defined as a hobby, so the dork word as opposed to the dork word is just positive and negative descriptions of the same thing. And who doesn't have hobbies? The question is just if the hobby is good for you or not.
Someone posting on health and lifestyle forums every day might learn a great deal of really important stuff. On this forum we might learn more about where to go to get some sort of best experience. While other forums like gaming are very escapist in their forms. Compiling them all in one basket would be flawed based on activity levels alone.Wierd, geek, dork, and nerd are all traditional perjoratives but it must be pointed out that they all have very distinct definitions. Good or bad are very loosely defined adjectives and subjective at best. However the pejoratives all point to being extreme and borderline excessive. A little wierd is endearing and being a geek can be admirable as it shows passion for an interest. Being a bit nerdy should reflect some form of intelligence. A dork can be seen as cute; however the traits of people falling under those pejoratives, when taken too far can be seen as annoying. Say, the need to be right as TheCane harshly criticizes me for.
100 in Hessen and 50 and up in NRW.Obviously that's in addition to the standard €50 for 30 minutes.
Some characteristics of internet trolls, not all but most: https://medium.com/indian-thoughts/inside-the-mind-of-an-internet-troll-bdab32a0dc4e.
* Tends to have few offline friends
* They are psycho-pathological in experiencing power and control online fueled by their offline reality of being insignificant, angry, and alone.
* When online, show a lack of empathy, have minimal capacity to experience shame or guilt and behaves with callousness and a grandiose sense of self.
* They are developmentally immature, tend to be chronically isolated and have had minimal to no intimate relationships.
I tend to think posters on here are hyper-sensitive or easily offended (although it is hard to tell how truly upset people are getting). I will dispense some advice: Haters are a part of life. Anybody who achieves any success in life will be subject to haters. Most young people who grew up with social media are used to online vitriol. The haters tend to be nobodies compared to the "victims". For instance, when Germany failed to advance in World Cup, many Islamophobe Germans blamed Mesut Özil. The reality is 99 percent of those critics are nobodies in real life. They never came close to 1 percent of Özil's accomplishments. Even in their own field of choice.
Interesting reads:
https://www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/this-shocking-confession-by-a-former-troll-is-a-brilliant-outline-for-successfully-dealing-with-haters-online.html
https://www.theguardian.com/media-network/media-network-blog/2014/sep/18/psychology-internet-trolls-pewdiepie-youtube-mary-beard
Textbook ad hominem attacks. It seems that you are 2 peas in a pod with Ho. Yikes.Actually its not. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror?
When talking about ad hominem attacks you are the undisputed champion. I also want to congratulate you on being the biggest hypocrite and making half of the posts in the section of "German FKK Clubs. Lounge and Chat".
That seems healthy.
Want to improve your social skills? Then go to as many FKK sauna clubs as possible and answer the following series of mature, "adult" questions (over and over and over again):
1. Hi, what is your name?
2. Where are you from?
3. Is this your first time here?
4. Would you like to go to the room now?
5. How about two girls?.Thats both hilarious and true.
Is it just me or do you agree that the women in the FKK's are generally less social than WG's in other countries? Not that I really blame them as FKK's are not, contrary to what some people seem to believe, social clubs.
In my experience, the majority of fly in mongers are internally angry, social weirdos. I suggest more FKK trips and possibly make use of the time outside of the room to hone in some social skills.First sentence I can agree with. Not sure about the second. I suppose some social interaction is better than zero social interaction. Is that your rationale?
I do not think WGs are the right vehicle for someone who lacks social skills. It is like playing video games using only cheat codes. Or university professors who are pressured to pass all their students, even those students who do not come remotely close to mastering the coursework. Such "training" does not prepare the student for the real world.
The WG is not incentivized to be honest with her client. Her job is to make her client feel good about himself. And that means pumping his ego. This is like telling a drug addict to socialize with his drug dealer. The drug dealer will give him his "fix". But he probably does not care about his long term mental health or well being.
Wierd, geek, dork, and nerd are all traditional perjoratives but it must be pointed out that they all have very distinct definitions. Good or bad are very loosely defined adjectives and subjective at best. However the pejoratives all point to being extreme and borderline excessive. A little wierd is endearing and being a geek can be admirable as it shows passion for an interest. Being a bit nerdy should reflect some form of intelligence. A dork can be seen as cute; however the traits of people falling under those pejoratives, when taken too far can be seen as annoying.Without discussing one of these words you mentioned in particular, several of them also change admirability weight dependant on the society you live in also.
One example is the term rethorics. The general consensus in English is negative, while in some European countries a person using a lot of rethorics is admirable as it defines a skill of expression. Weired, dork and geeky can on the same line have slightly different meanings across borders, and even within the same country too.
Anybody who achieves any success in life will be subject to haters. Most young people who grew up with social media are used to online vitriol. The haters tend to be nobodies compared to the "victims". For instance, when Germany failed to advance in World Cup, many Islamophobe Germans blamed Mesut zil. The reality is 99 percent of those critics are nobodies in real life. They never came close to 1 percent of zil's accomplishments. Even in their own field of choice.Good post, but there are almost exclusively allways alternative views on everything. Especially on these topics we discuss here. So the mindgame is to always try to see these things from two angels. Something many journalists, and even researchers are quite bad at. The British science fiction sociological book 'The rise of the meritocracy' points to a social revolution in 2034 where everyone in the society must find their place based on IQ + what they have done for society. The educational losers got double depressed because they got no jobs and no grades. The losers weren't just unhappy, but they were also told that they deserved it. The problem is that the entire education system we have today is still based on the educational paradigm of the early industrial revolution. It creates way more losers than winners. And the whole grading system has a factory line mentality. So of course there are jealousy. If you are good with numbers you can easily show that there are 90% losers in every society, and only 10% winners.
Sir Ken Robinson explains this here:
https://youtu.be/zDZFcDGpL4U
The Mesut zil story had several layers to it also, and one seemed to be racist. Coupled with anti-racism due to that Erdogan picture. Germany as a whole was pretty shit, but a few of the other players were even worse than zil if you ask me in that last world cup, such as Mats Hummels. But he didn't get any negative comments from what I know.
Textbook ad hominem attacks. It seems that you are 2 peas in a pod with Ho. Yikes.
Let me throw in a positive note by saying that there are posters here who regularly make well articulated arguments thus providing good learning opportunities. Posters like McAdonis, Bfsie, and Optimist all provide good insight and make points that are well thought out.I rest my case. It's apparent, was easy to make, and not much to think about at all as you yourself make it! That's always the easiest type. Yowza!
I am for example sometimes lazy with my spelling, especially outside of work when I write on a phone. Because I just type fast and don't mind with spellchecking too much. It looks incredibly unprofessional you might say.
Here are two opposite takes on how to look at misspellings:
https://www.inc.com/peter-economy/17-spelling-errors-that-make-you-look-really-unprofessional.html
https://gizmodo.com/study-people-who-point-out-typos-are-jerks-1767969516
So basically, a misspelling is claimed to seem unprofessional. This has gone so far as that nobody would object to it. And not strangely so due to how school teachers grade you on your spelling. But also, if you believe in that, science claims you are also a jerk. Since even if you don't always point it out, you may think so without saying it.
First sentence I can agree with. Not sure about the second. I suppose some social interaction is better than zero social interaction. Is that your rationale?
I do not think WGs are the right vehicle for someone who lacks social skills. It is like playing video games using only cheat codes. Or university professors who are pressured to pass all their students, even those students who do not come remotely close to mastering the coursework. Such "training" does not prepare the student for the real world.
The WG is not incentivized to be honest with her client. Her job is to make her client feel good about himself. And that means pumping his ego. This is like telling a drug addict to socialize with his drug dealer. The drug dealer will give him his "fix". But he probably does not care about his long term mental health or well being.Yeah some is better than none. WGs artificially pumping up the ego has the following effect: training wheels rather than cheat codes. One can gain a little confidence then move on up to single moms. No, it's not exactly real world at first but one is bound to learn something, like not blabbering or going into a shell. I think I was terribly bad at talking to attractive women before my first FKK trip, but after that I went home and talked to strippers in the US and was able to pull them out of the strip club for some real world relationships. I'm sure my new found confidence played a big role.
The haters tend to be nobodies compared to the "victims". For instance, when Germany failed to advance in World Cup, many Islamophobe Germans blamed Mesut zil. The reality is 99 percent of those critics are nobodies in real life. They never came close to 1 percent of zil's accomplishments. Even in their own field of choice.Yep, as a side note, Ozil was actually one of the most productive players in the 2018 Cup. At 5. 5 opportunities per 90 minutes, he created more chances per minute than any other player in the tournament. In reality, it was his German teammates who couldn't finish.
Well, I didn't notice McAdonis mentioning Islamophobia in relation to Özil. So we seem to agree. But is it really Islamophobia what we see across Europe? And also across parts of Asia (xinjiang, Myanmar, southern Thailand and Philippines erc) these days? Or is it racism? For a long time I thought it was Islamophobia too. But recently I have started questioning it, and leaning towards more and more agreeing with the idea that Islamophobia is an excuse for what it really is: racism. At the same time I think especially the 3 monotheistic religions are based on the idea to win wars.
This it actually quite relevant to FKK's when we consider the Turkish influence especially in the NRW. And how some people seem to avoid clubs with many Turkish customers. Isn't that rather racism instead of something else? People blame it on thug attitudes in some clubs too sometimes. But would we really see the same arguments if these were northern European or east Asian groups of 20 year old?
I rest my case. It's apparent, was easy to make, and not much to think about at all as you yourself make it! That's always the easiest type. Yowza!McAdonis makes a great point. I admit I don't adhere to the suggested strategies mentioned but tend to play in the mud with you all.
BTW, created a new handle I see.
Well, I didn't notice McAdonis mentioning Islamophobia in relation to Özil.The fact that Özil may have been unfairly criticized due to his religion is tangential to my main point. These players on the national team, due to their success and being in the spotlight, are used to haters, and probably do not react emotionally to what is written about them on the Internet. They certainly are not taking the time to draft a response to everyone who "attacks" them online.
Some ISGers seem to react emotionally. Maybe my skin is too thick, but I don't think I have ever seen anything that was so offensive that warrants complaining to the moderator or inbox wars. So if you are getting upset every other day because someone slighted you on ISG, perhaps it is an indication that you have nothing else meaningful in your life. Why not fix that? Find your identity in something else. Your self-worth should not be attached to your handle on a hobby forum.
Some ISGers seem to react emotionally. Maybe my skin is too thick, but I don't think I have ever seen anything that was so offensive that warrants complaining to the moderator or inbox wars. So if you are getting upset every other day because someone slighted you on ISG, perhaps it is an indication that you have nothing else meaningful in your life. Why not fix that? Find your identity in something else. Your self-worth should not be attached to your handle on a hobby forum.If you're talking about me; I just think it's great fun! And well, when you see bad information, perhaps I find it a bit of a duty to correct it. Whether it's completely biased reports regarding a club that you know is based on personal vendetta towards a club or just bad science on the lounge thread, to me it's worth correcting, especially since I have anything else going on!
Yeah some is better than none. WGs artificially pumping up the ego has the following effect: training wheels rather than cheat codes. One can gain a little confidence then move on up to single moms. No, it's not exactly real world at first but one is bound to learn something, like not blabbering or going into a shell. I think I was terribly bad at talking to attractive women before my first FKK trip, but after that I went home and talked to strippers in the US and was able to pull them out of the strip club for some real world relationships. I'm sure my new found confidence played a big role.Having social skills but not being able to execute due to confidence is one thing. Different thing altogether if one has never acquired social skills.
I am not even talking about being "romantic" or talking to women here. Just normal social skills and talking to another person. Some of the hardcore mongers, I suspect, had no male role models, and probably locked themselves in a room from age 12 until 30, before suddenly discovering WGs. Could they sit in a car with another person for two hours and not annoy the fuck out of that other person? Could they relate to another person?
In the real world, if you act creepy and stalkerish or are emotionally needy, that girl will ghost you. It happened to me a few times (occasionally it still does) but you start to learn where that boundary exists. In a brothel, you can continue to be creepy and weird with no negative consequences, so the creepy monger never realizes that he is creepy at all. Regarding your point about blabbering, if a monger blabbers, the WG will encourage that. So in his mind, his stories are interesting meanwhile she is bored out of her mind, but of course more than happy to push him beyond to the next 30 minute increment.
It can definitely lead to no improvement but like you mentioned and may reinforce some bad habits but like you mentioned, I' saying it's better than no practice at all. I will say that I've blown it with WGs myself. Athena at Sharks will no longer go with me because I crept her out. So it is entirely possible to ruin it with a. WG. Alicia at Aca, although one of my favorites makes me feel that she could care less if I go with her or not.
Having social skills but not being able to execute due to confidence is one thing. Different thing altogether if one has never acquired social skills.
I am not even talking about being "romantic" or talking to women here. Just normal social skills and talking to another person. Some of the hardcore mongers, I suspect, had no male role models, and probably locked themselves in a room from age 12 until 30, before suddenly discovering WGs. Could they sit in a car with another person for two hours and not annoy the fuck out of that other person? Could they relate to another person?
In the real world, if you act creepy and stalkerish or are emotionally needy, that girl will ghost you. It happened to me a few times (occasionally it still does) but you start to learn where that boundary exists. In a brothel, you can continue to be creepy and weird with no negative consequences, so the creepy monger never realizes that he is creepy at all. Regarding your point about blabbering, if a monger blabbers, the WG will encourage that. So in his mind, his stories are interesting meanwhile she is bored out of her mind, but of course more than happy to push him beyond to the next 30 minute increment.
Is it just me or do you agree that the women in the FKK's are generally less social than WG's in other countries? Not that I really blame them as FKK's are not, contrary to what some people seem to believe, social clubs.I do believe that you 100% believe your statement due to your experiences. Can't blame you for holding that belief since that is your experiences make up your reality.
In my experience however, this is not entirely true. Depending on charisma and individual attractiveness, YMMV regarding success rate of relating to WGs and having authentic interactions. Having a fun personality or appearing powerful also helps; it depends on each girl what type of man they prefer. I personally don't do well with the ones who like solemn, tough guys in their personal lives. Lastly, thinking of the girls as women who work as WGs rather than mere one dimensional hookers is absolutely necessary.
CaneUppHosAss
01-30-19, 04:12
Large amounts of speculative comments here. I wonder if some comments are generalizing and extrapolating their own personality traits and attributing to all the mongers out there. I have personally not observed any common characteristics that apply to the entirety of monger dom. Some are shy, some are outgoing, some are anti social, some are extroverted, some in between. Rich, poor, educated and barely literate, and everything in between. Beyond the fact that we are paying for sex at the time we monger, it is tough to say much more. IMHO.
Some ISGers seem to react emotionally. Maybe my skin is too thick, but I don't think I have ever seen anything that was so offensive that warrants complaining to the moderator or inbox wars. So if you are getting upset every other day because someone slighted you on ISG, perhaps it is an indication that you have nothing else meaningful in your life. Why not fix that? Find your identity in something else. Your self-worth should not be attached to your handle on a hobby forum.I think your former post was more spot on. It can be hard to notice just how personal people take online conversations since we can only see the written word. Comparing this to a stock market forum (the other forum I used to post even more at), this is pretty light hearted. LOL!
ExpatLover
01-30-19, 07:46
Large amounts of speculative comments here. I wonder if some comments are generalizing and extrapolating their own personality traits and attributing to all the mongers out there. I have personally not observed any common characteristics that apply to the entirety of monger dom. Some are shy, some are outgoing, some are anti social, some are extroverted, some in between. Rich, poor, educated and barely literate, and everything in between. Beyond the fact that we are paying for sex at the time we monger, it is tough to say much more. IMHO.Each reports includes personal psychology, mindset, beliefs. Including yours.
The fact that zil may have been unfairly criticized due to his religion is tangential to my main point. These players on the national team, due to their success and being in the spotlight, are used to haters, and probably do not react emotionally to what is written about them on the Internet. They certainly are not taking the time to draft a response to everyone who "attacks" them online.
Some ISGers seem to react emotionally. Maybe my skin is too thick, but I don't think I have ever seen anything that was so offensive that warrants complaining to the moderator or inbox wars. So if you are getting upset every other day because someone slighted you on ISG, perhaps it is an indication that you have nothing else meaningful in your life. Why not fix that? Find your identity in something else. Your self-worth should not be attached to your handle on a hobby forum.I think Mevlut Ozil problem in Germany was mostly because he met Erdogan and Germans don t agree with Erdogan policy about Kurds. Ozil played for many years, was not always good, and had no problem before. I would not have made him play, even before Erdogan meeting, just because he is not good enough for me, Goretzka is better for me.
About FKK land, from what I notice because I know many members or readers, there is a big difference for behavior between those who are or were used to have women in real life and we can easily notice those who know nothing about women, but they won t learn much or improve in FKK land, they just spend money to feed their frustration, when I know what I look for with girls, from my previous life. As say girls, you are all different, and they behave in very different way from our behavior and manners. I like to enjoy how I spend my money, reason why I don t pay for GND I would not fuck for free in real life.
Large amounts of speculative comments here. I wonder if some comments are generalizing and extrapolating their own personality traits and attributing to all the mongers out there. I have personally not observed any common characteristics that apply to the entirety of monger dom. Some are shy, some are outgoing, some are anti social, some are extroverted, some in between. Rich, poor, educated and barely literate, and everything in between. Beyond the fact that we are paying for sex at the time we monger, it is tough to say much more. IMHO.While everyone is different, general trends and tendencies can be observed. In my experience, the same characteristics keep popping up which show up less frequently than in the general population. While "rich, poor, barely literate and everything in between" may be an accurate description for the local mongering population; one rarely sees poor, uneducated fly in mongers. Even less so, are fly in mongers who are socially pleasant. I've met a few but dozens more who fit the general description.
Having said that, I would be happy to meet recent posters here regarding this topic. I extend that invitation to Ho, Shoe, TheCane, or yourself to increase the sample size and compare notes regarding this topic. Obviously the last two gentlemen listed would not at the same time.
Actually its not. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror?
When talking about ad hominem attacks you are the undisputed champion. I also want to congratulate you on being the biggest hypocrite and making half of the posts in the section of "German FKK Clubs. Lounge and Chat".
That seems healthy.Ad hominem means to insult and attack the opposition rather than his platform so I stand by my statement. For example, criticizing post frequency while making an argument against the appropriate application of ad hominem is an ad hominem attack. The purpose is to undermine the opposition in lieu of actually supporting one's own points with evidence.
That being said, ad hominem attacks can be presented simultaneously with supporting evidence that is pertinent to the main argument.
Regarding creepy customers, in FKK's also girls seems to sometimes creep me out. I have never experienced that in real life even if I have actually been stalked several times especially back in junior high by lots of girls. But as a guy one can normally laugh it off and take it as a bonus in real life. In an FKK, there is a whole plethora of rules not existing anywhere else. Except maybe for in a strip club. For example, I once was at a Russian strip club in Pattaya. I made one glance at one of the girls on stage dancing. She immediately came over to me, and started a lap dance on me even if I tried to get her off me. I knew it was going to cost me, and I had absolutely no interest in paying her. She was definitely not my type. But she had noticed my glance and used that as an excuse for me checking her out. I think the glance lasted for 0. 2 seconds. And I was even busy having bought a drink to the only interested girl there. When I left she of course excused the behavior of the other girls. Apparently they were desperate from not making much money. The Thai girls at neighboring clubs were cheaper and did more obviously.
In FKK's it doesn't get that bad, but when so many things relate to women wanting to make money, and it is their job, you got to be careful. McAdonis pointed out I had a creepy type of look at GT once. On a day I found absolutely no interesting girls there. I was trying to find something by just evaluating too much. Maybe I was also out of hormones and wanted to not waste a club visit with no rooms. Or in Acapulco when I walked over to look at a girl very creepily on purpose due to the funny setup, the silent lounge and that everyone were watching us. In Asia and especially in Macau they have a different approach to this, and only show the girls like on a meat market. No interaction before you choose a girl. And the Chinese customers there study the girls from top to toe. I discussed this with one of the girls, and she claimed the girls there at 18 sauna didn't want to socialize with the men. They were allowed to, but it didn't happen too often. They just weren't interested in these men blabbering. Blah blah blahing. So for them to hang out in a separate room between showtime's were just fine. I made her come to me in the lounge twice, but then we had all the guys looking at us since that was not very standard. You might see it happening maybe once in 5 days.
Staring and looking too much at someone is usually considered creeping them out. But in FKK's, many customers and girls use staring as a simpler way to trying to get eye contact with someone before walking over to them. Or in the case with Brenda at sharks. Before pointing fingers. With my Artemis girl in the past, a finger pointing made her angry. LOL. In many FKK's dependent on layout, staring seems to be used extensively by a vast majority of guys. So for a time I wondered if that was an accepted norm. Something which seems to not always hold true. Girls are different. And finding out the personality of these girls in advance can be hard. An overall tactic can of course be to always try to look away, but some girls can consider that as if you are not interested at all. So they might not walk over to you, and tou might just get some random less attractive girl such as a an Asian American guy living in Germany I was with at Wellcum once got and went to the room with.
It is definitely true that at an FKK, we can joke around with these things. But in a big metropolitan city in a night club, we probably can too. And that is perhaps one reason to what drags people. Men and women into larger and larger cities. Being able to get lost in a crowd. Not having to consider meeting someone again the day after, or the week or month after. Because the vast majority suck at these things.
Learning the boundaries of what constitutes as creeping behavior can thus be hard. If you master it, you are probably at the top 1%. But usually if you have gone to the gym for 10+ years, lifting weights, that lowers the chances too, so you get it slight easier. Creeping someone out is related to #metoo, and it is defined as a micro aggression. According to Jordan Peterson for example, not a single man can possibly know all the rules that comes with a micro aggression as long as the guy wants to hit up a girl.
Some psychology also claims girls can prefer violent men on the basis that this would mean her baby boy would also become violent and then easier spread his genes in the next generation. So some pick up artists have caught onto this and tour the world or write books about it. Causing a lot of anger among the feminists. But it works apparent even if it is very bad morally. The idea is that girls loves it when you go hard in for it. But if you only look at a distance, you are considered weak. The current oxymoron of today is that the society is trying to teach men to both act on a weak approach, and at the same time not be violent (obviously). So you indoctrinate all the men in a society into becoming creeps and to only micro aggravate. Making it harder and harder, and you can see it in the increasing number of singles. Humor does work. But not always. And there are other ways too, but many of these approaches are usually location specific. So you have to pick up on the local norms all the time, and that requires effort.
Large amounts of speculative comments here. I wonder if some comments are generalizing and extrapolating their own personality traits and attributing to all the mongers out there. I have personally not observed any common characteristics that apply to the entirety of monger dom. Some are shy, some are outgoing, some are anti social, some are extroverted, some in between. Rich, poor, educated and barely literate, and everything in between. Beyond the fact that we are paying for sex at the time we monger, it is tough to say much more. IMHO.True, but like one wise man who made millions off of penny stock trading told me on whatsapp once.
"Philosophising and assuming is all we really do. And we like it that way don't we?
If you don't make assumptions and try to be the change, you will always perish. And then you loose out on the big prize. And it certainly doesn't have to be right. You just have to create a possible future paradigm where it could be right. Carl Popper's famously wrote 'In so far as a scientific statement speaks about reality, it must be falsifiable; and in so far as it is not falsifiable, it does not speak about reality. '.
To all these guys who try to analyze guys spending time on forums, I kinda feel Mr. Ho has the best approach to answer it. Just take it light hearted. This forum is definitely not a stock market forum where you can loose millions if you miss a post.
One of my craziest posts ever were just "WOW! Have you read that report?" Followed by a "Yes! Finally, that is what we have been waiting for!" 2 minutes later the stock in question bounced from 0. 56 cent, up to 0. 95 cent. The 27 page report and nothing special in it. I was later reported to the Swedish stock market inspection because some guy had lost over a hundred thousand Swedish krones. Ofcourse it was all based on emotions. Absolutely nothing more. 30 minutes later the stock fell back to where it had been.
This forum is a way to kill time. Instead of watching Netflix, or playing fortnight or league of legends, it is best comparable to blogging. So a random cousin of mine who was into stock market trading had even read several of my stock market blog posts on the forum. He never posted. The majority never post themselves on forums like this. But since I had written so extensively, he had read them when as he said; 'there was nothing else to read about'. Even media journalists picked up on the same topics starting on the same message forum.
So the idea that one has psychological issues if one writes on a forum is just one possible trait. But for the majority of the time, all we do is really making assumptions. And try to create our own little paradigm. Nobody is wrong here on ISG. Mr. Ho, Polyamorist, Takedown, McAdonis, Cane, Bfsie, Optimist etc etc are all right in their own way. Different perspectives. Different backgrounds. Different paradigms. All the can do is to practice verbal sparring. If you never verbally practice sparring for example at your office, or in politics, you can just as easily be perceived as a pushover, or a tool. There are also no loosers as a noun. It is impossible to be one. Loosing out as a verb, is however very possible. But that is not a defining characteristic.
Large amounts of speculative comments here. I wonder if some comments are generalizing and extrapolating their own personality traits and attributing to all the mongers out there. I have personally not observed any common characteristics that apply to the entirety of monger dom. Some are shy, some are outgoing, some are anti social, some are extroverted, some in between. Rich, poor, educated and barely literate, and everything in between. Beyond the fact that we are paying for sex at the time we monger, it is tough to say much more. IMHO.Yes, the whole of monger dom is extremely diverse. But I am writing only about a sliver of the monger dom, specifically the ones who participate at extreme addict levels. Some of us are annually logging 500-1000 hours in the FKK clubs, and another 200 hours in planes, trains, and cars, and countless hours reading forums. A retired person might easily get away with this mongering schedule but for somebody who still works full-time, they are likely not engaging in any non-monger related social activities. Neglecting friends and family. Living alone. Let's be honest, we keep our mongering activities secret. This means living a double life and or isolating ourselves. Not forming close relationships. Not having to answer to someone, when we invariably disappear for days or weeks at a time.
I don't see my sweeping generalizations as inherently negative. Perhaps a form of constructive criticism. Being socially awkward and not having friends. Depression. Loneliness. Never having kissed a girl that you didn't pay for. Those are not things to be ashamed about. What is important is that one acknowledges these shortcomings and tries to work on them. Instead, I think some are in denial, deluding themselves and running away from the truth. This manifests itself as bitterness and results in them taking their anger out on others, thereby alienating themselves even more. Or them blaming others for their own failures. Or spending money on WGs in a financially irresponsible way to dull their pain. IMHO all self-destructive behaviors that will probably be a direct path to a miserable end.
With regards to extrapolating my own personality traits, well I do consider myself slightly socially awkward. I do consider myself a hardcore monger, so at least a few of those personality traits probably apply to me. There are definitely things that I can work on. I am often told that I am my own worst critic.
Human beings are masters at self-deception: https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/naked-truth/201405/how-do-i-know-when-i-am-lying-myself.
Staring and looking too much at someone is usually considered creeping them out. But in FKK's, many customers and girls use staring as a simpler way to trying to get eye contact with someone before walking over to them.Yes, you are right. Creepiness can be cultural or context specific. Staring intensely when the other person is not reciprocating is considered creepy in a normal nightclub, but in a FKK it is quite normal. When I see a regular that I intend to session then I try to make eye contact to let her know that she should come to me whenever she is available. Then after I have had my session with her, I am not really trying to make eye contact any more. If we cross paths later in the night I might smile or talk briefly. But I am not staring at her every time she is anywhere in my vicinity. I let her work. Some mongers take staring to an extreme level following their favorite FKK girl around the club, constantly needing attention, like this clingy dog.
CaneUppHosAss
01-31-19, 00:59
While everyone is different, general trends and tendencies can be observed. In my experience, the same characteristics keep popping up which show up less frequently than in the general population. While "rich, poor, barely literate and everything in between" may be an accurate description for the local mongering population; one rarely sees poor, uneducated fly in mongers. Even less so, are fly in mongers who are socially pleasant. I've met a few but dozens more who fit the general description.
Having said that, I would be happy to meet recent posters here regarding this topic. I extend that invitation to Ho, Shoe, TheCane, or yourself to increase the sample size and compare notes regarding this topic. Obviously the last two gentlemen listed would not at the same time.Hello Sir,
Thank you for the clarification, and also to the other two gentlemen who replied. I now understand that you folks were limiting your observations to fly in, highly frequent mongers. That is helpful.
I am still puzzled why your conclusions should hold. I agree that fly in mongers are unlikely to be poor, at least to the extent they fly to DE from far away lands (using the example of Germany, since we are on German board now). But you could also have a monger flying on Ryanair from another European city for under $50 round trip. Secondly, flying for this hobby, spending a lot of days int the club, spending a lot of money are all suggestive of addiction. One could be addicted and spend most of his income on this hobby even if not warranted relative to his income level.
When it comes to addiction, it cuts across all the fault lines. One could be rich and not addicted, or could be poor and stay addicted. Indulgence in one's addiction is by itself not indicative of other traits. Again IMHO.
I recognize that these are anecdotal observations, and as the other gentleman below said, merely intended to spur discussion. I will say that I have met mongers of all kinds. In fact, most fly in mongers I talk to tend to be pleasant (because, by default, discussions with unpleasant and socially awkward mongers tend to be short or non starters).
Anyway, not disputing your assertions. Merely my two feeble cents. Have a good day.
If you don't make assumptions and try to be the change, you will always perish. And then you loose out on the big prize. And it certainly doesn't have to be right. You just have to create a possible future paradigm where it could be right. Carl Popper's famously wrote 'In so far as a scientific statement speaks about reality, it must be falsifiable; and in so far as it is not falsifiable, it does not speak about reality. '.
So the idea that one has psychological issues if one writes on a forum is just one possible trait. But for the majority of the time, all we do is really making assumptions. And try to create our own little paradigm. Nobody is wrong here on ISG. Mr. Ho, Polyamorist, Takedown, McAdonis, Cane, Bfsie, Optimist etc etc are all right in their own way. Different perspectives. Different backgrounds. Different paradigms..That's a misuse of Copper's quote. He's talking about the worthiness of a hypothesis and declaring that not all claims are scientific. For example: "God exists" is not a scientific statement. The concept of God is not falsifiable, therefore the statement is not scientific. He's not saying anything more than that.
But speaking of falsifiable claims, it's not a matter of right and wrong, it's a matter of making false claims for the sake of argument.
Examples of falsifiable claims:
Once Polyamorist declared that Romanians are from India, easily falsifiable as Roma people are from India, not Romanians.
You claimed that monogamy lead to selfishness, individualism, and prostitution: Falsified by the fact that monogamy is a fairly recent institution while the other concepts pre-date monogamy.
Ho insists that he FKK'd last February but his post history proves that he was in not in Europe at that time.
Steve 9696
01-31-19, 05:34
Anyone actually fuck someone of the female persuasion recently? Oh, KK! Where are you with a few bareback stories? Surely there is something more interesting to talk about than the recent intellectual posturing.
Anyone actually fuck someone of the female persuasion recently? Oh, KK! Where are you with a few bareback stories? Surely there is something more interesting to talk about than the recent intellectual posturing.Did a local girl. Quite good, but no bareback unfortunately. I need a new condom type. It says XL, but really is just a small normal size. 56 mm width:
Condom maker has promissed me they will make a larger version, but after 6 month, no news.
Thankfully the quality is good at least. I will return to FKK land next week. Maybe I write something afterwards. Such as if I won the games of chess I usually do in the rooms. Some girls are pretty damn smart!
Anyone actually fuck someone of the female persuasion recently? Oh, KK! Where are you with a few bareback stories? Surely there is something more interesting to talk about than the recent intellectual posturing.Come on Steve, there're like 20 club specific threads and a general thread too. Let us have this one.
Otherwise, I can tell you about how I was with a 32 year old single mom a week ago. Not a WG, she was probably a 7/10 with clothes but 5.5/10 naked. I went soft when I saw her stomach pooch and pimples in her groin. Should I be embarrassed or should she?
You are right there are some distinctive layers to it, but I am not so sure the layers are always as you point them out.
For example, a reader and a writer can just as much be determined on an extrovert. Introvert scale. Or on some other scale. Not necessarily on a dorky scale.
Also forums over lighter forms of media is highly gender based in some instances. Dorkiness can also be defined as a hobby, so the dork word as opposed to the dork word is just positive and negative descriptions of the same thing. And who doesn't have hobbies? The question is just if the hobby is good for you or not.
Someone posting on health and lifestyle forums every day might learn a great deal of really important stuff. On this forum we might learn more about where to go to get some sort of best experience. While other forums like gaming are very escapist in their forms. Compiling them all in one basket would be flawed based on activity levels alone.Anyway, this was beyond the point. By originally stating that "this is the internet," the point was to state that people are often assholes online due to anonymity. I've met dozens of posters here inside the clubs and none were as aggressive as they are on this forum. Again, this pertains to fly in mongers as there are more alpha types within the local population who attend the clubs. As far as those traveling to Germany for the sauna clubs, most people I have met have been pretty meek men which is incongruent with the online personalities seen here That's not an insult, just an observation.
Anyone actually fuck someone of the female persuasion recently? Oh, KK! Where are you.....Hi. I have sent you some sources for information about actual experiences of guys who pay to have sex with girls. Apart from the general lack of interest in field reports (some members have proposed that they are unhelpful), there have been cases where ISG members have tried to use field reports to the detriment of posters (outing them and so on) and I have read in the last month or so several field reports where the writer has asked (words to effect): is anybody listening"
Field reports have withered on the vine.
Hi. I have sent you some sources for information about actual experiences of guys who pay to have sex with girls. Apart from the general lack of interest in field reports (some members have proposed that they are unhelpful), there have been cases where ISG members have tried to use field reports to the detriment of posters (outing them and so on) and I have read in the last month or so several field reports where the writer has asked (words to effect): is anybody listening"
Field reports have withered on the vine.My experience in the past year:
I write a field report and the thread continues with the offshoot topics with hopefully one or two having digested some of the information. (I appreciate your recent update of Finca).
When I write an opinion post, the thread explodes with 6 pages of dialogue. That's why I mostly hang out in the Lounge and Chat; to lounge and shoot the shit.
To your other point, guys here do gossip. In the past, girls have known things about me that they wouldn't have unless a guy that I revealed my identity to had told them. Not that it really matters when you have nothing to hide.
Pistons and McAdonis. While I do agree that this site is a little bit light on details and guidance at times, considering is called International Sex Guide and not International Sex Discussion, I very much enjoy reading your posts.
ExpatLover
01-31-19, 20:24
Anyone actually fuck someone of the female persuasion recently? Oh, KK! Where are you with a few bareback stories? Surely there is something more interesting to talk about than the recent intellectual posturing.Do you really believe the reports of the mongers, may be they are a bit like the hunters or fisherman always catch or shoot big deers or fish but in reality. I personally know very well some girls who were in the room with some of us and they are just laughing when they read what the guys are reporting and what really took place.
Pistons and McAdonis. While I do agree that this site is a little bit light on details and guidance at times, considering is called International Sex Guide and not International Sex Discussion, I very much enjoy reading your posts.Just in case my previous post might be misinterpreted: this Thread is appropriate for chat whether it be theorising by Pistons, McAdonis or whoever else. I think the concern is for the club threads.
Hello sir
I recognize that these are anecdotal observations, and as the other gentleman below said, merely intended to spur discussion. I will say that I have met mongers of all kinds. In fact, most fly in mongers I talk to tend to be pleasant (because, by default, discussions with unpleasant and socially awkward mongers tend to be short or non starters).
Anyway, not disputing your assertions. Merely my two feeble cents. Have a good day.You're right. I absolutely used the wrong descriptors. Socially unpleasant is a bit harsh as I've only had unpleasant interactions with a handful of fly in guys. Awkward is a more accurate descriptor. At the same time, I've met a handful of normal guys who have become great friends!
Keep posting! A couple dozen posts and 6 months and perhaps unmoderated status will find its way back!
," the point was to state that people are often assholes online due to anonymity. I've met dozens of posters here inside the clubs and none were as aggressive as they are on this forum. I have noticed this also. But that is why I also have come to the conclusion that when people share all these pussies available instead of possessing over one pussy to marry, men seems to reach some sort of inner zen. And their aggressive attitude floats away.
I have noticed this also. But that is why I also have come to the conclusion that when people share all these pussies available instead of possessing over one pussy to marry, men seems to reach some sort of inner zen. And their aggressive attitude floats away.Doesn't the interactions on this thread blatantly contradict that statement?
I have noticed this also. But that is why I also have come to the conclusion that when people share all these pussies available instead of possessing over one pussy to marry, men seems to reach some sort of inner zen. And their aggressive attitude floats away.Well actually, I too am guilty of being aggressive here with only one instance of a confrontation with another monger over something petty in the clubs.
Polyamorist
02-01-19, 19:43
that is why I also have come to the conclusion that when people share all these pussies available instead of possessing over one pussy to marry, men seems to reach some sort of inner zen. And their aggressive attitude floats away.Jazakallah Pistons. Yes. An FKK is supposed to be an environment of Sharing. Take away the competition for resources and the aggression goes away.
The only problem is when guys have been fighting for pussy for so long that they are still doing it even when there is no longer any need to. It can take generations for a Scarcity mindset to be replaced by an Abundance mindset.
Doesn't the interactions on this thread blatantly contradict that statement?Not at all. Quite the opposite LOL.
Keep posting! A couple dozen posts and 6 months and perhaps unmoderated status will find its way back!Not going to happen for somebody so clearly consumed by his own anger. That only leads to self-destruction. Coming back under a new handle changes nothing.
So wise. Yea, Be water. Hear the wind throught the bamboo. All that stuff.Thai guy talking Bruce ee LOL!
HydroPumper
02-02-19, 19:00
Anyone out there have an current info on FKK Morgenland such as Girl prices? 50 Euros per half hour?
Neurosynth
02-02-19, 22:57
. . . when people share all these pussies available instead of possessing over one pussy to marry, men seems to reach some sort of inner zen. And their aggressive attitude floats away.Whenever a guy is getting regularly shagged by multiple women, and for whatever reason, " . . . Their aggressive attitude floats away. ".
Neurosynth
02-02-19, 23:00
. . . Yes. An FKK is supposed to be an environment of Sharing. . . . Jesus H Christ, are we done yet ladies?
I have noticed this also. But that is why I also have come to the conclusion that when people share all these pussies available instead of possessing over one pussy to marry, men seems to reach some sort of inner zen. And their aggressive attitude floats away.Not at all what I experience in FKK land of jealousy and bullshits. There is jealousy and bullshits between girls, but even worst between guys.
Dan Danger
02-03-19, 14:49
Dear mongers,
In a couple of weeks I'll be traveling on a weekend through Frankfurt, I'll arrive at FRA around 1300 and depart Sunday at noon. I'm seeking advice on whether to take the easy option which is to visit Palace (quick trip into town, hotel nearby) or to go further afield like Oase or Sharks (any other places?
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So what I'm asking is what would you recommend. To go for Palace and make it easy or to try one of the other clubs for a new experience. Is it worth the extra effort? If one club is a few euro more than the other that's not an issue, more that the lineup could be better or it's genuinely better than Palace.
Opinions are welcome!Hi All,
Just to reply to my own question. Following the advice of a couple of you I took the road (for me) less travelled and ended up in Darmstadt at Sharks. In fact it's simple to get there from FRA, just go to bus stop 14 at Terminal 1 and pay 9 EUR to get to Darmstadt. I took a hotel near the train station and since it was a warm evening decided to walk out to the club and did the same back just to clear my head from the pussy fog.
The experience was good, three sessions, the first as usual was just to get myself in the mood with "Alexa" who wasn't entirely my type but a good start. Next up was a "Mina" (a petite brunnette) and finally a blonde whose name I don't remember but cute and with a sense of humor. The first one did all the upsell tricks so after that I just negotiated at the start, as I liked the others I upgraded for an hour and had a very good time, they didn't rush or try to play with the time as in some other clubs. I can't compare Sharks to Palace since I was there a few years ago but certainly the destination was not inconvenient to get to as I had thought it might be. As probably many of you, I'm picky about girls that I really find attractive and if I can find two or three that work for me I consider that a good evening out.
Took the bus back to the airport so that was also no hassle at all, perhaps even simpler than public transit from the Palace where you need to jump from you-Bahn to S-Bahn while here it's one ride.
Next time I'll try Palace just for a comparison.
Dan.
Not at all what I experience in FKK land of jealousy and bullshits. There is jealousy and bullshits between girls, but even worst between guys.I do think the jealous guys are a massive minority. And if there are some, then it is normally due to some girls telling him / them no. Since of course that would create the same selfish situation an FKK is kinda trying to get rid of. But you cannot force people, and then we take with us problems from outside into the environment.
Money being a major attribute in this environment is also causing jealousy of course.
I do think the jealous guys are a massive minority. And if there are some, then it is normally due to some girls telling him / them no. Since of course that would create the same selfish situation an FKK is kinda trying to get rid of. But you cannot force people, and then we take with us problems from outside into the environment.
Money being a major attribute in this environment is also causing jealousy of course.Giving honest post and not messing around for once. I think some mongers think FKK as some kind of over all sanctuary. For me, it is sexual sanctuary, FKK is there to fulfill my lust and sexual desire that's it. For me, it is merely a brothel to fulfill may lust and all the communication I need and I do in German FKK is remain polite, so I, girls and other mongers I have good memorable time during that visit to FKK, I met some wonderful mongers in FKK that I do not even know their name that I most likely I never meet again or even some girls are memorable, but this is where it stop for me as far as purpose of FKK goes.
However, I saw some mongers preaching about communication with opposite sex in FKK, practicing social skill in FKK, or have pride in frequency of visits to german FKK, or as some pointed out some kind of jealousy over girls in FKK, I mean, Hello, guys, FKK is brothel and all that happen in FKK is because there is money involved and it is all illusions and sex that they sell to you, but clearly some mongers are getting it all wrong and in some case like this, it lead to some event that is dangerous like stalking, creepy clients and in some case it even lead to murder case of girl because some client take FKK experience as something real and in part, girls played with such creepy clients mind that resulted in her death.
FKK is merely a type of brothel, it is not real and as Mr Piston pointed out, even though it is minority, I see quite few in forum and it can be dangerous thing for girls and to FKK industry. These girls are prostitute and in exchange for money clients pay, they sell bit of truth, mostly lies and most importantly sex to you, this is what going on FKK and there is no real communication or socializing going there beside business transactions, dialogue to it and sex.
Not at all what I experience in FKK land of jealousy and bullshits. There is jealousy and bullshits between girls, but even worst between guys.This I agree totally, once you become regular to some girls and you go with other girls front of them, I have been asked why I went with such a such girl or what does she do in room to you or even worst girl who provided me good service withhold some services in room after I went to other girls. I mean I do not mind if girls go with other guys, it is brothel, but what wrong with these girls as I am the only organic ATM machine who only belong to her LOL. It is FKK both clients and girls are free to go with anyone we want to go to room with.
Polyamorist
02-04-19, 02:32
Not at all what I experience in FKK land of jealousy and bullshits. There is jealousy and bullshits between girls, but even worst between guys."The only Zen you can find on the tops of mountains is the Zen you bring up there. ".
This I agree totally, once you become regular to some girls and you go with other girls front of them, I have been asked why I went with such a such girl or what does she do in room to you or even worst girl who provided me good service withhold some services in room after I went to other girls. I mean I do not mind if girls go with other guys, it is brothel, but what wrong with these girls as I am the only organic ATM machine who only belong to her LOL. It is FKK both clients and girls are free to go with anyone we want to go to room with.For the girls it is a bit worse with jealousy than for us I suppose. Since it is mainly us choosing them and not vice versa. Which makes sense since it is men that are paying. Although with some girls, they try to turn that on its head. I have had at least two girls not going to room with me if a certain other girl is around (2 different clubs. 2 different girls). Because that other girl is seemingly above the girl who doesn't dare in the hierarchy in the club. But if I catch them at a time the queens are not there, they go with me without thinking. So there is certainly drama going on between the girls too. And there are things to be learnt. But less so unless you are somewhat of a semi regular at least.
FKK is merely a type of brothel, it is not real and as Mr Piston pointed out, even though it is minority, I see quite few in forum and it can be dangerous thing for girls and to FKK industry. These girls are prostitute and in exchange for money clients pay, they sell bit of truth, mostly lies and most importantly sex to you, this is what going on FKK and there is no real communication or socializing going there beside business transactions, dialogue to it and sex.Mr Ho,
I enjoyed this more serious side to your posting. I would like to post out the FKK as discussed here is a twisted version of the term, borrowed by the sex industry. In my posts I typically refer to this version as FKK / Sauna Club. The FKK Industry is based on a nudist naturist lifestyle. It's actually quite a large industry but is more like a Centre Parcs for nudists. Even if you go to Termae 2000 or a similar Spa you are likely to see some naked female bodies that will take weeks to erase from your mind, and not in a good way. The advantage of such spas are that the wellness facilities are at a much higher level, unless sexual gratification is the wellness aspect you are seeking.
Fortunately for mongers, the Sex Industry version of FKK / Sauna Clubs exist and most of the women visiting are 18 - 30 years old and somewhat attractive. This is not always the case in a true FKK.
Is everyone else getting an additional tab opening up for the escort site signup when clicking on the login box for ISG. It was shocking for the family with kids sitting behind me when the full tablet sized naked lady was displayed. I don't mind the smaller ads, I quickly hide them before others can see, but the full page ad is a little much.
Not going to happen for somebody so clearly consumed by his own anger. That only leads to self-destruction. Coming back under a new handle changes nothing.Hello sir,
Seems a bit hyperbolic of a description when someone is writing with even keel responses. But to your point, disgust and pity rather than hate are more accurate descriptors. Hope to see you in a club!
"The only Zen you can find on the tops of mountains is the Zen you bring up there. ".Or perhaps this:
"The Zen you take is only equal to the Zen you make."
This I agree totally, once you become regular to some girls and you go with other girls front of them, I have been asked why I went with such a such girl or what does she do in room to you or even worst girl who provided me good service withhold some services in room after I went to other girls. I mean I do not mind if girls go with other guys, it is brothel, but what wrong with these girls as I am the only organic ATM machine who only belong to her LOL. It is FKK both clients and girls are free to go with anyone we want to go to room with.Maybe you forget something: These girls enjoy the illusion that Mr Ho is in love with them and will be their loyal lover like a husband or long-time partner. You go with other girls in front of them, it breaks this illusion and they get sad, mad and nasty!
Maybe you forget something: These girls enjoy the illusion that Mr Ho is in love with them and will be their loyal lover like a husband or long-time partner. You go with other girls in front of them, it breaks this illusion and they get sad, mad and nasty!I think it is more to do with money they could have make if I went with them, girls do their daily calculations. I do not think I give them that illusion, I am polite and friendly to them, but rather more blunt and businesslike to them in FKK because I know I am nothing, but a walking organic ATM to them LOL.
As for jealousy between guys, I heard it from girls, but I never seen it front of me. This is the thing, some monger forget that FKK is merely a type of brothel where it is all business.
"The only Zen you can find on the tops of mountains is the Zen you bring up there. ".+1. And also to Ortos's variation.
Maybe you forget something: These girls enjoy the illusion that Mr Ho is in love with them and will be their loyal lover like a husband or long-time partner. You go with other girls in front of them, it breaks this illusion and they get sad, mad and nasty!Many times I have suffered from girls whose illusions are broken. They know they are illusions, but still don't like to see them broken. I understand this: who doesn't like being seen as someone special?. Unless of course they realise that reality is illusion :D
On individual level, like in real life, in some time of his mongering career every monger (including me of course) can be jealous, but only when he has crush on the particular WGs. This kind of jealousy is only limited to the specific WGs whom he has crush on. Other than this type of jealousy, I don't think that mongers are jealous in general.
On institutional level, mongers sometimes do have jealousy stemmed from monger' geographical home base, financial status and so on. For example, some mongers living in USA may be jealous of the mongers living in Germany. Some mongers with less fortunate mongering budget may be jealous of well-funded mongers.
But I am not here this time to talk about whether monger is jealous or not, which would turn into another useless topic as we already saw many recently. I would like to make a point that a monger should use jealousy as a motivation tool to improve his mongering advantage. For instance, many American mongers here often complained about being in sex prison, but I never read here that any American monger talked about any idea of how to manage to move to any sex paradise like Germany permanently. And no monger here except me talked about how to improve his appearance so that he would be able to better compete for girl's attention and fondness. Jealousy happens to any monger, but we should use it as a motivational tool to better ourselves in terms of mongering, so that next time we would be in better position to compete for girls and girl's fondness. Try not to be a talker, thinker or even a doer, but try to be a finisher.
"The only Zen you can find on the tops of mountains is the Zen you bring up there. ".True, but once you get up there, one must orient him, or herself in accordance with the elements to create the best Feng shui.
Try not to be a talker, thinker or even a doer, but try to be a finisher.Talker and thinker not considerred, but we are discussing sex here and I personally much prefer the doing part as opposed to just jumping into the Finnish as soon as possible. But each to our own, LOL.
ExpatLover
02-04-19, 19:34
I think it is more to do with money they could have make if I went with them, girls do their daily calculations. I do not think I give them that illusion, I am polite and friendly to them, but rather more blunt and businesslike to them in FKK because I know I am nothing, but a walking organic ATM to them LOL.
As for jealousy between guys, I heard it from girls, but I never seen it front of me. This is the thing, some monger forget that FKK is merely a type of brothel where it is all business.For the girls we are ATM or customers, they sell their body, that is all, less they have to give more they can earn better is the Business but that is true in all the businesses starting from Apple.
But I am not here this time to talk about whether monger is jealous or not, which would turn into another useless topic as we already saw many recently. I would like to make a point that a monger should use jealousy as a motivation tool to improve his mongering advantage. For instance, many American mongers here often complained about being in sex prison, but I never read here that any American monger talked about any idea of how to manage to move to any sex paradise like Germany permanently. And no monger here except me talked about how to improve his appearance so that he would be able to better compete for girl's attention and fondness. Jealousy happens to any monger, but we should use it as a motivational tool to better ourselves in terms of mongering, so that next time we would be in better position to compete for girls and girl's fondness. Try not to be a talker, thinker or even a doer, but try to be a finisher.Instead what happens is that people blame external institutions for their limitations and some become convinced that their experience is universal. If I've never made a true connection with a WG, perhaps I too would insist that fkks are not places where true social interactions are possible. If I have never had a relationship with a woman at all, perhaps I too would think that ideas such as polyamorous free love would cure all of the world's problems. Perhaps I would give up entirely on romantic relationships and only pursue mongering activities.
As you say, frequency and long term prognosis from the girl's point of view are very important. When I had a relationship with a European working girl, I was basically living in Germany. Shortly after I returned to bimonthly visits, the relationship crumbled. For a guy who makes visits every other year, I would imagine that his viewpoint would be that FKK girls are all swindling hookers uninterested in real human interaction. If life at home gets tough, I would probably extend that viewpoint toward all women.
Neurosynth
02-04-19, 21:22
Maybe you forget something: These girls enjoy the illusion that Mr Ho is in love with them and will be their loyal lover like a husband or long-time partner. You go with other girls in front of them, it breaks this illusion and they get sad, mad and nasty!This might seem obvious to some, but after years I've learned I always have to ask because you just never know.
You aren't serious, right?
You aren't serious, right?Dahhhhh! Once spoken (or shouted?) by somebody born in Queens on the hallowed greens of Wimbledon: "You cannot be serious!"
On individual level, like in real life, in some time of his mongering career every monger (including me of course) can be jealous, but only when he has crush on the particular WGs. This kind of jealousy is only limited to the specific WGs whom he has crush on. Other than this type of jealousy, I don't think that mongers are jealous in general.
On institutional level, mongers sometimes do have jealousy stemmed from monger' geographical home base, financial status and so on. For example, some mongers living in USA may be jealous of the mongers living in Germany. Some mongers with less fortunate mongering budget may be jealous of well-funded mongersFor me, it is not jealousy, but at the beginning of mongering life, I did have this feeling that wow how does such girl like this good end up in prostitution industry? This feeling I still have when I meet really beautiful girl both inside and out, but I never let me have illusion of any kind because in the end, we are in brothel world where GFE experience and sex are given in exchange for money we pay.
I thought about buying a apartment in Germany or in Venlo at one point mostly because of mongering, but then I am 38 years old and I have been mongering now for past 20 or 21 years and I never get bored, but excitement I get when I meet beautiful girls has not vanished, but fucking beautiful girls became rather normal to me as I have been doing it for relatively many years, so realizing the cost performance and hassle, I noticed it is better to fly in and fuck. Plus I got good mongering going where I am at, it is just that not as so easy access or cheap as in German FKK.
I will never get bored of mongering and I still do keep it as one of my central or if not the central core of my hobby, which is important part of my life because I like to have fun, but when fucking beautiful girl become norm like it happen to many professional mongers, one sometime begin to think why am I doing all this for? But then, I meet new young beautiful stunner and all the excitement comes back and bring me all the way back in.
It is never ending hobby, it is like that pringle ad, once you tute, you cannot stop LOL!
Dan Danger
02-04-19, 23:52
Gentlemen, perhaps some of what you see as jealousy is actually impatience? On my visit to Sharks I wanted my final session with a specific girl, however she then went with another monger just as I wanted to invite her up. I wasn't jealous but after sitting around for the better part of an hour I didn't want her to run off with anyone else because I wanted to have my fun and go back to my hotel and get some sleep. Perhaps someone watching would have thought my glances towards the lockers was jealousy but it was just making sure I'd catch her before anyone else did when she was back.
I had nothing against the other monger or the girl and certainly wasn't jealous.
Dan.
I agree with you 100%. Obviously there is a socializing aspect to visiting FKKs. If there were none, then no monger in the history of fkks would have ever pulled a WG out of the club. However, locals do it regularly. The caveat is that you must be there often enough for the WG to see you as more than a customer. Fly in mongers will have a harder time doing this. When I was in Germany for an extended period, Sharks became my neighborhood bar. Girls who I never sessioned with would hang out just to kill time. Now that I am relegated to fly in status, the newer girls do not speak with me in the same way. Basically, just like with non mongering relationships, you have to be physically present for the girl to truly socialize with you.
On individual level, like in real life, in some time of his mongering career every monger (including me of course) can be jealous, but only when he has crush on the particular WGs. This kind of jealousy is only limited to the specific WGs whom he has crush on. Other than this type of jealousy, I don't think that mongers are jealous in general.
On institutional level, mongers sometimes do have jealousy stemmed from monger' geographical home base, financial status and so on. For example, some mongers living in USA may be jealous of the mongers living in Germany. Some mongers with less fortunate mongering budget may be jealous of well-funded mongers.
But I am not here this time to talk about whether monger is jealous or not, which would turn into another useless topic as we already saw many recently. I would like to make a point that a monger should use jealousy as a motivation tool to improve his mongering advantage..
CaneUppHosAss
02-05-19, 04:33
Gentlemen,
Jealousy in FKKs is like Pepe the Frog. It's what we want it to be. It is frustration, envy, anger, fomo. When I first visited, I was jealous of the dudes who sat with multiple chicks and yapping away as if they were long lost lovers. When I didn't have much money in my pocket, I was jealous of the dudes who were able to spend like there was no tomorrow. When I am not mongering and at home, I am jealous of the supermongers who always seem to be banging chicks in one or another place around the globe. As I am getting older, I am jealous of dudes who can bang a dozen putas night after night. I am jealous of dudes who can get anal from girls that would not give it to me, I am jealous of chicks that I imagine are kissing other guys with more passion, I am jealous of guys who seem to get AO sex with chicks that will only provide CBJ to me, I am jealous of, I am jealous of, I am jealous of.
Perhaps jealousy is a prerequisite to be a perennial monger. We strive to have more and more, and have an insatiable appetite for more pussy and ass than a man is fairly entitled in a hundred lives. Jealousy is an ugly word only if you think it is. But it is the primal emotion that drives us to live a life of unbridled pleasure.
This I agree totally, once you become regular to some girls and you go with other girls front of them, I have been asked why I went with such a such girl or what does she do in room to you or even worst girl who provided me good service withhold some services in room after I went to other girls. I mean I do not mind if girls go with other guys, it is brothel, but what wrong with these girls as I am the only organic ATM machine who only belong to her LOL. It is FKK both clients and girls are free to go with anyone we want to go to room with.That was not at all my meaning about jealousy in FKK land, I'm used and I manage when girls ask me not to go with other girls, because they don t want I do the same with others, not a problem for me and even improve sex with girls. As I don't find many pretty enough for me, so I prefer to go only with the very few prettiest, usually weekly for months, and they don t try to fuck me because they prefer to keep me for regular as long as possible. At LR, after 2 months and half, I thought 1 would be my only one, she was enough, unfortunately she lost her elegance and charm for my eyes and brain, but I know only one would be the best for me. My life model.
Instead what happens is that people blame external institutions for their limitations and some become convinced that their experience is universal. If I've never made a true connection with a WG, perhaps I too would insist that fkks are not places where true social interactions are possible. If I have never had a relationship with a woman at all, perhaps I too would think that ideas such as polyamorous free love would cure all of the world's problems. Perhaps I would give up entirely on romantic relationships and only pursue mongering activities.
As you say, frequency and long term prognosis from the girl's point of view are very important. When I had a relationship with a European working girl, I was basically living in Germany. Shortly after I returned to bimonthly visits, the relationship crumbled. For a guy who makes visits every other year, I would imagine that his viewpoint would be that FKK girls are all swindling hookers uninterested in real human interaction. If life at home gets tough, I would probably extend that viewpoint toward all women.I totally agree on the relationship part. But I wouldn't spend too much time on that on the forum due to rumors of guys taking this too far. So lets leave it as an illusion.
Regarding the love aspect as opposed to polyamorous living. I think there is something to it. But mainly the drugged down oxytocin part. And this can be tampered with. It is also impossible to predict how this idea of love behavior would change if there were all orgies all the time also. With top quality pussy everywhere. Now of course physicians and bioengineers have a great deal of work to do before this society is a real option. But I think we are heading there at some point. If it is in 20 years or 200 years, I don't know.
I agree with you 100%. Obviously there is a socializing aspect to visiting FKKs. If there were none, then no monger in the history of fkks would have ever pulled a WG out of the club. However, locals do it regularly. The caveat is that you must be there often enough for the WG to see you as more than a customer. Fly in mongers will have a harder time doing this. When I was in Germany for an extended period, Sharks became my neighborhood bar. Girls who I never sessioned with would hang out just to kill time. Now that I am relegated to fly in status, the newer girls do not speak with me in the same way. Basically, just like with non mongering relationships, you have to be physically present for the girl to truly socialize with you.True, but even as a fly in guy you can still get that social interaction. Some long timers at Oase, and ex Artemis girls I bump into everywhere usually greet me as an old friend. I think it has more to do with total amount times having met as opposed to a short / long timespan.
Takedown, you are so right. Even flying in every six weeks or so will mean girls say "haven't seen you for so long", "where have you been?" and so on. A visit every week pays more dividends than a six day block every six weeks.
unfortunately she lost her elegance and charm for my eyes and brain, but I know only one would be the best for me. My life model.It is funny how I also lose the excitement as I repeat girls, sometimes, it is not that she gained weight or became ugly with surgeries, but I lose excitements no matter how pretty she is, it only good for first one year or two for me.
Though it does happen sometimes that I first meet girls who is so beautiful, then she enhance her tits like after few years in business, then it is done well, but for me this also can be turn off. I guess I tend to like natural beauty than artificial ones which tend to be the most case in FKK lately, made in laboratories.
First is tattoo, tits, lip, nose and more of those three as girls stay in FKK industry. I try to avoid those in most cases and aim for more natural beauties that are rare in FKK, but we still find with bit of digging.
Takedown, you are so right. Even flying in every six weeks or so will mean girls say "haven't seen you for so long", "where have you been?" and so on. A visit every week pays more dividends than a six day block every six weeks.Yep, now if you spend 6 days in a row and not spread out visits to other clubs, then yeah that also changes the dynamic. That being said, I've done it, not worth it.
I totally agree on the relationship part. But I wouldn't spend too much time on that on the forum due to rumors of guys taking this too far. So lets leave it as an illusion.
Regarding the love aspect as opposed to polyamorous living. I think there is something to it. But mainly the drugged down oxytocin part. And this can be tampered with. It is also impossible to predict how this idea of love behavior would change if there were all orgies all the time also. With top quality pussy everywhere. Now of course physicians and bioengineers have a great deal of work to do before this society is a real option. But I think we are heading there at some point. If it is in 20 years or 200 years, I don't know.Perhaps technology gets there and you can articficially create happiness and mimick the feeling people have with a real, authentic relationship. But perhaps you risk never getting this theoretical advancement and die alone without ever knowing what it's like to be in a pair-bond. I suggest to anyone who has never been in a pair bond to attain experience on the subject matter before determining if it is important enough for one to risk it.
True, but even as a fly in guy you can still get that social interaction. Some long timers at Oase, and ex Artemis girls I bump into everywhere usually greet me as an old friend. I think it has more to do with total amount times having met as opposed to a short / long timespan.Yes, the original post said that fly in mongers have a harder time (than local) not an impossible time.
Takedown and Optimist,
I agree with you guys. It is almost impossible for a fly-in monger to have a meaningful relationship with a local working girl (or any local girl for this matter). Optimist is probably the most qualified commentator on this subject on FKK forum.
Takedown and Optimist,
I agree with you guys. It is almost impossible for a fly-in monger to have a meaningful relationship with a local working girl (or any local girl for this matter). Optimist is probably the most qualified commentator on this subject on FKK forum.Why do you want to have meaning relationship with prostitutes? I am not saying not to get along or be rude to them, but FKK is there to fuck prostitutes and not to have meaningful relationship with them, I mean don't you have friends? LOL!
I am utterly surprise that some mongers talk about practicing social skill in FKK or have meaningful relationship with prostitutes in German brothel.
I communicate some of them, but only before I go to FKK to book those give me contacts details, but I do not write to them except for that. Once in awhile, some of them write me like hey, how are you? But I only see those as sales mail. I think it is important for mongers to have brothel literacy or prostitute literacy, it is not real, they are just being nice because it is partly their job to be nice if they think it is better for their business model.
True, but even as a fly in guy you can still get that social interaction. Some long timers at Oase, and ex Artemis girls I bump into everywhere usually greet me as an old friend. I think it has more to do with total amount times having met as opposed to a short / long timespan."Bump into everywhere" reminds me of an interesting thing that happened. I had a lady who I visited regularly in the club, but never outside. I saw her on the street in the city one day and said "Hello". She walked by like I didn't exist. A couple days later at the club, she came to me and said, "If you see me outside the club, don't speak with me, not even in the parking". Needless to say, the attraction slipped a lot that day and it took some work to convince some of her friends from the club to session with me after that.
Pahllus Maximus
02-06-19, 05:08
A great book I am reading is Sapiens by Yuval Harari. Like it or not, our DNA has programmed the male limbic system components including the hypothalamus and amygdala to make a bee line to pretty girls or whatever object or trigger of lust we have. We go for visuals and are different from most females. WG essentially exploit this male need to hump pretty things. They do it for cash. Sure they have many individual social, economic and emotional goals but will generally form a view that most males are helplessly fueled by lust and fickle beasts whether the girls admit it or not. The whole point of an FKK is variety and instant gratification. Whether you fly in or out are stick around, the question remains: will you immigrate, buy a house and commit to being around for a girl (or at least have that as a serious possibility). Girls have their shelf life and generally have the need to snag a man who is really there. So yeah, you may get a girl out of the club, but that remains a long way apart from a serious relationship. Any good relationship is really good luck finding someone interesting and worth talking to nearly 24 hours a day and who is trustworthy, gives an receives respect, and is presentable. Even if that combo found, that is where the work begins. And in our case, needs a vagina, skills in bed and is ideally pretty. Believe me, women also have a hard time finding guys (they make stupid choices all the time, but that's another topic).
As Pistons points out, oxytocin kicks in and before you know it you make a hazy judgment "what if. I could have this eye candy more permanently" confusing short term attraction and pleasure and hoping it will repeat ad infinitum. We want to believe it and our cognitive bias will weave a story that fools us. My advice is to accept our biological pre-determined urges, enjoy the high, but also realise that like a restaurant, you may not want to eat out every night let alone the same restaurant and even less the same dish.
The chance and mystery of girl chasing is exciting and that fuels the gambling part of our brains as well as the lusty bit. It is good clean fun, but make sure you are in control with big brain and aware of our DNA driving what we think in many cases is choice but is really an ancient program just as we salivate when smelling grilled meat.
Perhaps technology gets there and you can articficially create happiness and mimick the feeling people have with a real, authentic relationship. But perhaps you risk never getting this theoretical advancement and die alone without ever knowing what it's like to be in a pair-bond. I suggest to anyone who has never been in a pair bond to attain experience on the subject matter before determining if it is important enough for one to risk it.LOL! In todays world and society, clearly the pair bond option is the best solution. I don't think I've claimed otherwise. But merely pointed at its drawbacks and problems. As it isn't perfect. Like the book Utopia.
Best post in the thread so far in 2019 goes to Phallus Maximus. You coined it 100%. A lifepartner should be a good friend. 'Love' is a chemical illusion somewhere between brain hormones / chemicals and commitment. But a friend can be a psychologist. In many ways, some working girls can be great listeners and work as quasi psychologists. An educated psychologist girlfriend (believe it or not, I have had 2, and seem to be attracted by them) may be tge best thing. But she can also be too smart. And over analyse everything. LOL.
Either way, who came up with the idea that fly in relationships could ever work? Lets get real here. That is where I draw a line as it is obviously not a possibility. The only ones who make that work are men who sends the wives half way across the world all their monthly salary to live off. Unless you want to do that, forget it.
Mr Ho,
For the record, I don't go out on date with any WG no matter how beautiful she is as I already mentioned in some of my previous posts and I only have been having sex dates (without going-out) with only 18-year-old WGs (my fetish) as their loverboy. But I can completely understand why some mongers want to have normal relationship with WGs. It is complicated and I am too lazy to explain it and answer your question now. But I promise you this: five to ten years from now, you will know the answer of your question by yourself and find it out from your own experience and maturation.
McAdonis,
Have you tried www.mysugardaddy.eu? Any luck if you did?
Nick The G
02-06-19, 13:56
Jealousy in FKKs is like Pepe the Frog. It's what we want it to be. It is frustration, envy, anger, fomo. When I first visited, I was jealous of the dudes who sat with multiple chicks and yapping away as if they were long lost lovers. When I didn't have much money in my pocket, I was jealous of the dudes who were able to spend like there was no tomorrow. When I am not mongering and at home, I am jealous of the supermongers who always seem to be banging chicks in one or another place around the globe. As I am getting older, I am jealous of dudes who can bang a dozen putas night after night. I am jealous of dudes who can get anal from girls that would not give it to me, I am jealous of chicks that I imagine are kissing other guys with more passion, I am jealous of guys who seem to get AO sex with chicks that will only provide CBJ to me, I am jealous of, I am jealous of, I am jealous of.
Perhaps jealousy is a prerequisite to be a perennial monger. We strive to have more and more, and have an insatiable appetite for more pussy and ass than a man is fairly entitled in a hundred lives. Jealousy is an ugly word only if you think it is. But it is the primal emotion that drives us to live a life of unbridled pleasure.Maybe you get some insight on other approaches when you listen to this man and his words.
How to Deal with Relationships? - Sadhguru. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl8MUnLfEsk
How Do You Stop the Mind's Chatter? - Sadhguru. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNyJgNjCDuU
Nick The G
02-06-19, 14:03
It is never ending hobby, it is like that pringle ad, once you tute, you cannot stop LOL!If beings, especially human beings, become like machines, maybe this is why death is such an important tool of evolution?
Polyamorist
02-06-19, 18:01
A great book I am reading is Sapiens by Yuval Harari.Yeah he has some good books. I bet he doesn't mention FKK's though. If he did, the feminist establishment would never allow the book to be published. And so it is with any author. We live in such a filtered culture, a culture sucked dry by censorship and self-censorship.
Similarly if any academic mentioned an FKK in a paper, they would be expelled from their university. It's a pity because an FKK is such an amazing Microcosm available to anthropologists and economists. Here you have society compressed to its essentials: sex and money.
By the way Phallus, clear your Inbox of some messages. There must be some fault with the forum software, that it is not telling members when they have hit their quota. And what is the quota anyway?
LOL! In todays world and society, clearly the pair bond option is the best solution. I don't think I've claimed otherwise. But merely pointed at its drawbacks and problems. As it isn't perfect. Like the book Utopia.
Whether you fly in or out are stick around, the question remains: will you immigrate, buy a house and commit to being around for a girl (or at least have that as a serious possibility).
As Pistons points out, oxytocin kicks in and before you know it you make a hazy judgment "what if. I could have this eye candy more permanently" confusing short term attraction and pleasure and hoping it will repeat ad infinitum. We want to believe it and our cognitive bias will weave a story that fools us. My advice is to accept our biological pre-determined urges, enjoy the high, but also realise that like a restaurant, you may not want to eat out every night let alone the same restaurant and even less the same dish.
Best post in the thread so far in 2019 goes to Phallus Maximus. You coined it 100%. A lifepartner should be a good friend. 'Love' is a chemical illusion somewhere between brain hormones / chemicals and commitment. But a friend can be a psychologist. In many ways, some working girls can be great listeners and work as quasi psychologists. An educated psychologist girlfriend (believe it or not, I have had 2, and seem to be attracted by them) may be tge best thing. But she can also be too smart. And over analyse everything. LOL.1. It's not all about 1's and 0's where it's a zero sum game. People are saying that it is easier to be a local and develop true relationships. This includes friendships. Jumping to the conclusion of immigrating for long term relationships and marriage seems to be a fallacy taken by a couple of the posters. Talking, dancing, sightseeing, etc all without payment, those are very real normal peole things. Mongers and hobbyists might want to keep those real life things in mind when speaking about how WGs are just hookers. They might actually be more normal than you are.
2. To hold importance to the molecular basis of pair bonding, you must either be jaded to the point of being a broken man or never have known the experience of pair bonding.
In the movie Good Will Hunting, Robin Williams calls out Will for having read about all of the sights of far away lands and may have even memorized them. But he calls out the fact that he does not know the smell and warmth of these far away places, only experienced through the words from other men.
Sapiens. Book has a great start, but has little to say on humankind in the last couple of thousand years (its argument being that the creation of belief systems are necessary for humans to live in society). FKK, as Polyamorist says, offers a wealth of information for anthropologists with its semi-enclosed environment and the interplay of illusion and reality. Shame that society's current belief systems exclude the possibility of FKK as a positive thing and cannot discuss it. I guess that is why this Thread is so active, being the only place for discussion.
By the way, can I make it clear that I was not in my recent post suggesting that we are likely to get a meaningful life relationship with a working girl. Pistons is dead right. If we are regulars in clubs we might get a special girl, temporary friendship, and bonuses, but it is not likely to be a life relationship (although it does happen in some cases). Bfsie was very kind to say that I was most qualified to talk on this: he gives me far too much credit. In 16 years in FKK I have only had two real friendships with working girls for more than a year after they stopped working ( of course, being married and older reduced my odds). And I have only come across maybe 10 cases of guys successfully (for a time at least) having a real life relationship. Of course, the vast majority of customers and girls know such things are probably doomed to failure so steer well clear, and go for the money (girls) or sex(men)
It is funny how I also lose the excitement as I repeat girls, sometimes, it is not that she gained weight or became ugly with surgeries, but I lose excitements no matter how pretty she is, it only good for first one year or two for me.
Though it does happen sometimes that I first meet girls who is so beautiful, then she enhance her tits like after few years in business, then it is done well, but for me this also can be turn off. I guess I tend to like natural beauty than artificial ones which tend to be the most case in FKK lately, made in laboratories.
First is tattoo, tits, lip, nose and more of those three as girls stay in FKK industry. I try to avoid those in most cases and aim for more natural beauties that are rare in FKK, but we still find with bit of digging.She lost her charm for me because of her new behavior ready for anything for money, when she claimed to be selective when we started. Even she lost freshness for face and gained weight on ass, but after about 70/80 hours in room for 6 months she worked, I would have kept on going with her and maybe only her if she stayed like when she started. When you go very often with a girl, become kind of sex friends, even paying, I enjoy complicity, knowing what each one like, more real for me than one shot fucking a piece of meat. In real life, had burning passion for 7 years with a so sensual girlfriend, she was exhausting, not only about sex, a tornado for all parts of life, I tried to manage the burning tornado as long I could but she exhausted my brain but I tried to build with her as much I could. 1 year later after I gave up even I loved her so much, I found a sweet angel, I really thought it would be for whole life, despite so crual, how painful life can be, we had honeymoon for 5 years, each second with her was delightful, even when she was really in bad health, but always smiling, always elegant, always giving me love. From my so elegant and generous for love mother to my exceptionnal girlfriends for more than 20 years, I can only love women, WGs feel this very fast with me, they feel I give them value, my favorites never try to fuck me, they prefer to keep my weekly business, but some are really angry when I stop. As I say: in brothels, I only married only for the best.
Steve 9696
02-07-19, 01:28
I know some of you travel for work, so even though this is German FKK lounge wanted to let you know I dropped a post in Graz and two in Linz forums. Also if you like experiential posts like mine tend to be you may find them entertaining. Happy reading!
If beings, especially human beings, become like machines, maybe this is why death is such an important tool of evolution?I think broadening horizon is the important essence of evolution and yes death can be part of many tool, but thanks to some sector of humanity that prostitution got to the level where it is today. How wonderful it is to have such easy and reasonable access to many different young beautiful women to our liking, if we dig little bit where to go in this world and in my case the city I live in also. Best of both world.
Mr McAdonis,
OK, one of my more serious post and not one of my mostly usual messing around post.
Yes, I think it is each their own and brothel has many different use for all different kind of mongers. Having said that, I still do think, for sake of healthy relation for both parties, some distance should be kept between client and prostitutes, there are some horrific cases that took place in FKK industry alone due to misunderstood clients going totally off track.
I understand about what you mean about when I am ten years more older, I will understand need of communication or relation of some kind with girls in FKK who are prostitutes. This is why I make sure I have friends in private life that I have known for years since I was kids or teen, I treasure those relationship, in many cases, I cannot discuss even with them about what I do in area of mongering, so for that, I made some friends online who I interact more seriously like this at inbox private messages of this forum. And of course I got the pound and pound non serious posts that I mess around with some odd individuals LOL!
I think as human, it is important to have people who one can talk to, I just think that person do not need to be prostitutes for sake and mental health of both parties. Prostitutes sell sex and illusions to some extent, but there should be a clear line in between is what I am saying. This is not to insult prostitutes or saying they are not capable of communicating, I actually met many girls in FKK who I thought, wow she remain still smart and good hearted in such rough situation in their life. All I am saying here is that there is right place and occasion and brothel should not be the place where one seek for sexual desire with clear line in between how far the relationship goes with prostitutes for the sake of both parties.
There are some happy ending in such relation in brothel for sure, but it mostly end badly. Maybe such parties could have been soulmates if they met in different place, different life or in different circumstances, but reality is brutal sometimes and life sometimes has sick sense of humor, so I just think that monger should make best out of such situation in most positive way within brothel with some respective line. My motto is what happens in FKK, stay in FKK, isn't it about right mindset?
OK now LOL! Let go back to more messing around posts, it is pound for pound sex forum LOL!
I used to live in Amsterdam for many years. Vast majority of the WGs in the RLD at the time got their steady boyfriends in their first year or so and some of them got married and left the industry eventually, so obviously there were plenty of WG's takers out there. But it is not good idea for fly-in mongers to do that and it doesn't work anyway.
CaneUppHosAss
02-07-19, 05:08
Gentlemen and dear Sirs,
I see this endless fascination with getting hitched to the working girls on a long term basis, even in marriage. Perhaps it is just an idle fascination, as an escapist fantasy. I am not saying I'm immune to it or that it is not a good speculative imagery. But not only is it highly impractical, it will quickly run into a wall if it were to ever happen. First, a large number of regular mongers are not the type to settle down with any single girl. I'm not talking about the guy who cheats on his GF or wife occasionally, but the ones who visit WGs on a regular basis and who have no other encumberance in their personal life. These girls are not ideal GF material in any real sense, and the fantasy would quickly sour. Yes, it is natural progression — on your first visit, you fuck a dozen girls, over time you settle on a few regulars that form the core of your fucking gallery, and you begin taking longer and more sessions with your core, refer to them as FKK wives to feel good about yourself, and majority of time is spent on non sexual activity in the room and you wonder "what if", "can I make this work outside the club", "can I extend the 3 hour session to a full day booking, a weekend booking, a quick vacation together, and perhaps something longer". But in the end, reality will bite. The monger is a cheating bastard, pardon my French and the working girl is a fucking working girl. Neither will change their stripe. Relationships and marriages are tough to sustain even when so many things align, but a 20 year Rom prostitute that had been living a tough life her whole life and a roving middle aged monger from overseas is not exactly a match made in heaven.
My feeble two cents. No offense intended to anyone here.
Don't we all just wish we were young again and able to experience everything the world has to offer for the first time? Even what we call love, especially first love manifests so strong within us that just the memory of it makes us pursue reliving it for the rest of our lives. Even when we do get that third or eight crush on somebody, we are able to reimagine how that crush used to feel years after we experienced it. It is not the wind that moves, it is the mind. And we want to hold onto our mind, because it makes us feel happy, and sane.
Defining the term love by how the oxytocin receptors activates, or hormones tampering with our brains, instead of pure love, immediately creates a dehumanized programmable robotic context to it. Because the spiritual human mind is godly, just as Immanuel Kant explains it. But we love this reality we live in. Maybe the reason our lives only span 120 years maximum is that our minds get socially and intellectually so jaded, and our capacity of divergent thinking then reduced. And then in order to fix this, we need to reset, in order to relive everything anew on not just a carnal level, but also on a spiritual one.
We all end up believing what we want to believe. But even that gets boring from time to time. As a media guy, perhaps the most important basic thing we learn is paradigm changes. And an FKK is certainly somewhat of a paradigm change.
I used to live in Amsterdam for many years. Vast majority of the WGs in the RLD at the time got their steady boyfriends in their first year or so and some of them got married and left the industry eventually, so obviously there were plenty of WG's takers out there. But it is not good idea for fly-in mongers to do that and it doesn't work anyway.In one way, I give astonishing reaction with mild respect for how acceptance some men are or maybe they like seeing their wife or GF being fucked by other men. There are this kind of fetish.
On other way, how desperate some men can be when it comes to companionship or need to communicate with other due to lack of social circles etc. Or maybe they are soul mate and just got along.
In the end, it is each their own, but quite many FKK girls told me that hardest clients are those who begin to think all this relation in FKK is real and began the notion that they are together not realizing it is client / prostitute relationship in FKK. I even heard some cases where monger fly in every few weeks just to see this girl in FKK, take her for whole day, talk about future and only fuck two or three times. , spending whole time talking some possibility of serious future together, in this girls case, it was serious torture mixed with good business, but scare to cut such guy off turning him into possible monster, which happened before escalating into serious aggression.
I think, there is some tpo as in time, place and occasion, and FKK is brothel, so even it is each their own, I believe it is manner not to cross certain line for safety for everyone both girls in FKK and male clients.
Pahllus Maximus
02-07-19, 06:48
Takedown makes an excellent point about Good Will Hunting: being there and doing matters within an intimate relationship that is a core part of human existence. Will there ever be a Kris the Replicant pleasure model as in Bladerunner? I'm doubtful. Humans are definitely non-deterministic and the opposite of a finite state machine. There is some chemistry, but anything in biochemistry is like chess: and is polynomial after just a few moves.
It is easy to get jaded not just with WG's but more generally. Keep the child in you alive to be amazed and surprised by new things. This hobby is fun, but it needs to be also kept in a sandbox and seen in context of being quite an artificial set up: where else do have dozens of half or fully naked beautiful women constantly propositioning you? It reverses everything.
By the way takedown, PM me when you get a chance, perhaps as indicated here, the PM software is wonky.
Pahllus Maximus
02-07-19, 07:11
I suppose there is a lot of screaming and hyper reaction by the politically correct cadres. This stunted thinking (a misnomer if there was ever one) shuts downs arguments that may go down uncomfortable places and tends to resort to virtue signalling and slogans. I smile when I see the type: the same sheep since millennia baaaaing in unison. So yes, they probably do chill the possibility of real discussion about FKKs. The latter is the intersection of gender roles, the biological shelf life of a woman, power, money, greed, lust, pleasure and illusion. For some reason the commercial elements of a totally natural and normal biological function is off limits.
The FKK definitely strips away BS and illusion. That is what scare them. DNA and history are at work. Will anyone remember the feminist / PC rants in 100 years?
We get shrill edicts of slavery / save the children, trafficking and so on that are standard devices to chant slogans and drown out other ideas or tease out those sacrosanct assumptions. In my experience, those who want neat labels and slogans suffer from pseudo intellectualism and have lower IQ they get all angry over when their tactics don't work or that empirical evidence does no gel with their preferred version of reality. So this board is the equivalent in many ways of a 1920's Viennese coffee shop where real ideas are debated mostly in good will. I think many of the men here are bright and well educated. We partake of the FKKs because we can, life is short, and we are not prisoners of other peoples mental or morality prisons, but free thinkers, We are free to roam the world for the best experiences and clearly do so. The mental approach common to the people here is what makes them so interesting and engaging. Something that lasts a lot longer than a 30 minute session.
So this board is the equivalent in many ways of a 1920's Viennese coffee shop where real ideas are debated mostly in good will. I think many of the men here are bright and well educated. We partake of the FKKs because we can, life is short, and we are not prisoners of other peoples mental or morality prisons, but free thinkers, We are free to roam the world for the best experiences and clearly do so. The mental approach common to the people here is what makes them so interesting and engaging. Something that lasts a lot longer than a 30 minute session.And that, my friend, is telling it like it is! I write as I enjoy yet another trip, this time to the Orient. I hope one day to return to Germany. I still have the Dusseldorf area and Augsburg to do. And by the way, you can still find some quality debating going on in Viennese coffee shops even today! Happy journeys!
"Bump into everywhere" reminds me of an interesting thing that happened. I had a lady who I visited regularly in the club, but never outside. I saw her on the street in the city one day and said "Hello". She walked by like I didn't exist. A couple days later at the club, she came to me and said, "If you see me outside the club, don't speak with me, not even in the parking". Needless to say, the attraction slipped a lot that day and it took some work to convince some of her friends from the club to session with me after that.What a killing desire. Even I'm a lover with my favs, why I get so much from them, but I m not interested to meet them outside because I don t want a prostitute fucked by everybody for girlfriend, I never asked any to meet out of business, but I met a few around clubs, in street, gas station, of course I didn't ask them to suck me, but they were smiling, sometimes we even chat a bit. If one behave like yours, she does' t even need to come to me again, for sure. I remember Russian escort Sveta seeing me in front of her hotel when she came to her hotel with her girlfriend, kissing me when she recognized me when she understood I was her appointment, but still outside of hotel. When I met escorts in hotels, sometimes like Sveta on our last time, they had to come to pick me in entry, she asked desk why they didn't let enter her friend, then we sometimes took lift with other people, then playing hand in hand, kissing in front of people to play real, funny game, we often laughed about people looking at us. Great warm up of course.
I find some of this this talk about free thinking and paradigm shifts a bit ironic. For sure the common paradigm is that hookers are just hookers who are after your money and nothing more. While this is the case more often than not, a real free thinker would realize that this is not always the case. Real free thinkers would realize that working girls come in all varieties and that some are able to manage friendships and relationships throughout the entire clientele to personal relationship spectrum. If this were not the case then there would not be cases where working girls have quit the job to be with a former client. If WGs in clubs were just WGs, then these messages from WGs that I have never sessioned with must be a figment of my imagination.
A true free thinker would realize that such things are fluid. A true free thinker would realize that his own limitations often creates his reality because he cannot see over the horizon. A true free thinker would give the WG a chance to be a WG as well as a real human being.
P.S. I hate that these debates have made me write such liberal, love-the-world explanations that should really just be common sense and common decency.
FKK is merely a type of brothel, nothing more, nothing less. As good as FKK is, it merely place where you get your lust taken care of and brothel is not a place to communicate deeply with prostitutes, it is bit like going to restaurants or hospital or where-ever and expect waitress or nurse to take care of you more further than they are occupationally expected to do.
It is surprising that some mongers seek to communicate or practice social skill in FKK, but it is asking for wrong thing in wrong place or asking too much going beyond what prostitutes are expected to do, then I realize how crazy it has become for human society where some seek for such relation in brothel. Prostitutes has their own private lives too that they want to protect and that is why they are tuting, so I think it is polite to stay out of private lives of prostitutes.
Gentlemen and dear Sirs,
I see this endless fascination with getting hitched to the working girls on a long term basis, even in marriage. Perhaps it is just an idle fascination, as an escapist fantasy. I am not saying I'm immune to it or that it is not a good speculative imagery. But not only is it highly impractical, it will quickly run into a wall if it were to ever happen. First, a large number of regular mongers are not the type to settle down with any single girl. I'm not talking about the guy who cheats on his GF or wife occasionally, but the ones who visit WGs on a regular basis and who have no other encumberance in their personal life. These girls are not ideal GF material in any real sense, and the fantasy would quickly sour. Yes, it is natural progression on your first visit, you fuck a dozen girls, over time you settle on a few regulars that form the core of your fucking gallery, and you begin taking longer and more sessions with your core, refer to them as FKK wives to feel good about yourself, and majority of time is spent on non sexual activity in the room and you wonder "what if", "can I make this work outside the club", "can I extend the 3 hour session to a full day booking, a weekend booking, a quick vacation together, and perhaps something longer". But in the end, reality will bite. The monger is a cheating bastard, pardon my French and the working girl is a fucking working girl. Neither will change their stripe. Relationships and marriages are tough to sustain even when so many things align, but a 20 year Rom prostitute that had been living a tough life her whole life and a roving middle aged monger from overseas is not exactly a match made in heaven.
My feeble two cents. No offense intended to anyone here.Well this is how low human society has become for some people, seeking deeper human communication and practicing social skill as some mongers here has mentioned is really act of insanity.
FKK is brothel, the place where you buy sex and fulfill your fantasy, nothing more, nothing less.
Nick The G
02-08-19, 11:04
If one even has the dream to build a lasting relationship with a woman one has met as a prostitute, and one is ready to leave "roles" behind, here's a clue. From the guys standpoint, the best chances are given, either within a few weeks, if a woman in this environment starts her job, or when she has had enough of it after many years and wants to quit to start a "normal life".
But If one has already been in this scene for many years, it's better to go into psychotherapy than imagine a woman or a man as a "rescuer" in form of a partner.
"Love brings up anything unlike itself for the purpose of healing."
The closer a relationship gets, this love-enhanced process will bring more and more unconscious material to the surface. Usually, this is loaden with lots of emotional pain. If people have been traumatized, it can become a dangerous process altogether. So one has to be very conscious to notice and accept what is going on, and not to blame the partner.
Once you get the chance and talk to mongers or prostitutes about their love affairs, most of them will tell you that they cannot stand this pain. And so quite a lot of them will prefer to continue with the easy fucking life within the narrow bandwith of red light.
If one even has the dream to build a lasting relationship with a woman one has met as a prostitute, and one is ready to leave "roles" behind, here's a clue. From the guys standpoint, the best chances are given, either within a few weeks, if a woman in this environment starts her job, or when she has had enough of it after many years and wants to quit to start a "normal life".
But If one has already been in this scene for many years, it's better to go into psychotherapy than imagine a woman or a man as a "rescuer" in form of a partner.
"Love brings up anything unlike itself for the purpose of healing."
The closer a relationship gets, this love-enhanced process will bring more and more unconscious material to the surface. Usually, this is loaden with lots of emotional pain. If people have been traumatized, it can become a dangerous process altogether. So one has to be very conscious to notice and accept what is going on, and not to blame the partner.
Once you get the chance and talk to mongers or prostitutes about their love affairs, most of them will tell you that they cannot stand this pain. And so quite a lot of them will prefer to continue with the easy fucking life within the narrow bandwith of red light.I agree with all of this. But to put a practical spin on this, in addition to the avoidance of pain, I find that creating a connection with a prostitute can be a way of circumnavigating the hassles of the outside world. If you have the ability to see beyond the trees and stay clear of the vines of the monger-prostitute relationship, these connections can serve as a way to skip the bullshit imposed by false morality and feminism. Once the sexual tension is out the way, you can get straight to getting to really know a person.
Polyamorist
02-08-19, 19:31
"Bump into everywhere" reminds me of an interesting thing that happened. I had a lady who I visited regularly in the club, but never outside. I saw her on the street in the city one day and said "Hello". She walked by like I didn't exist. A couple days later at the club, she came to me and said, "If you see me outside the club, don't speak with me, not even in the parking". Muzein Wallah! I feel it in my liver, Sayyid Chongmal. She went out of her way to insult you. It is this kind of attitude that keeps me away from Europe. Although in Brazil there are no FKKs, it is quite normal to meet a girl in a sex club and carry on dating her outside. None of this phony superiority from the chicks.
In general I think sex is a great way to start a relationship. Any red flags, any hint of selfishness, any major incompatibility, you will see it right there -- before committing too much. (Although this did not work for you Chongmal: you put in a lot of cash before the mask came off!)
CaneUppHosAss
02-09-19, 03:10
Hello Sir,
Not to sound harsh, but I don't think a monger is entitled to anything from the girl outside the club. Keep in mind, many girls do not even say Hi or smile back inside the club an hour after you had just fucked her. They walk by and look through you as if you are ether.
If I could change something, I would have more girls smile and say Hi in the club as we keep bumping into each other in such a small space. Not because I feel I am entitled to it inside the club but it is simple manners and good customer service. The good ones do, the lousy service providers don't.
But outside the club is an entirely different matter. Everyone has a private life and many people do not want to mix club life with outside life. If a club girl says Hello, and hugs and kisses a monger dining with his GF outside the club, he might not be thrilled. Why should the girl be happy if the monger accosts the girl not in the club?
Anyway, my less than 2 cents.
In general I think sex is a great way to start a relationship. Any red flags, any hint of selfishness, any major incompatibility, you will see it right there -- before committing too much.Good point and I agree. For a local monger this is financial and time advantage of monger-WG relationship (vs traditional relationship) which is more efficient to get in or out of and to the essence of a relationship.
I would add that monger-WG relationship lowers monger's qualification for the relationship with a girl as well. In other words, a monger can get better girls for monger-WG relationship than the girls for traditional (normal) relationship because the monger has much more chance and time to impress a WG who wouldn't reject the request for the meetings (sessions), while in real life he probably wouldn't get any chance to have a date and time with any non-working normal girl with the same optics as the WG.
With regards to Chongmal's incident, every WG reacts differently and there is no universal reaction from WGs. It is like some WGs don't cover their faces in their ads and others cover.
With regards to Chongmal's incident, every WG reacts differently and there is no universal reaction from WGs. It is like some WGs don't cover their faces in their ads and others cover.You make a good point about the girls covering their faces. I always have a question for the girls who send €1 k per month home, who take 3 months a year off work and spend it back home, who buy a beautiful new house with cash, who have small children that stay in their home country with their grandparents, and who say there families don't know what they do for work. Do you really think what you do is a secret from your parents. Do you think your parents believe a waitress, bar tender, hotel maid, etc makes €10 k per month in Germany? I tell them it's not a secret it's denial. The secret is that their parents are o with them working as a prostitute as long as they are providing for their families back home.
Some ladies are super protective of their real identities. Others, after a couple meetings will share a look inside their life with you. I personally take it with a grain of salt because the one thing I've learned via this hobby, some of the greatest illusionists in the world work in Sauna Clubs as prostitutes.
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