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Polyamorist
03-28-19, 01:06
Cane and Mr Ho. There is a person posting in various threads who has maybe eight handles. I try not to be conned into replying to any of them.You will see this going on in many Internet forums.
If you want to know what ideas in the world are most interesting ("dangerous") simply observe which ones they attack most angrily. But when the status quo is felt to be precarious, most ideas of any kind will be seen to be dangerous.
True. But as far as I am aware, this loneliness epidemic is not related to the channels of online communication.Seriously, I do not get where this loneliness and monger is related LOL. Monger is eternally happy people because we got unlimited supply of young beautiful girls. Some people are mentally weak and sick, that is why they feel lonely or whatever.
If you are lonely, go and get your dick sucked by young beautiful girls, and believe me it fix everything, fucking young beautiful girls are the essence, motivation and drive in life for male. If not, go join gym or something and work out, it make you feel so good after work out and you also meet other cool people too.
However, if you are true monger, you are never lonely or feel down because all it take is young beautiful girl to suck you, lick you and fuck her in pussy, mouth or anal to make you feel good. If that does not work for you, I don't know what does or you are not true monger or man.
With in men, there are fuckers and non fuckers, and I am fucker and as long as I fuck young beautiful girls, I am happy camper.
No young beautiful girls to fuck, no life. More I fuck young beautiful girls, more happy I am in life added beautiful memories. This is not all in life, but good sex play big part to happiness and satisfaction in life, if you are masculine person.
LaBambaBoy
03-28-19, 03:28
So, I'll be making my last pilgrimage for quite a while in mid May. I should have all day of Monday and Tuesday, plus Friday night for mongering pursuits.
I've been to Dietz (interesting, but no urge to repeat particularly), Mainhatten (first FKK, but small) and Sharks (never a bad experience) in the past. I will have a car and rarely drink, so I am good to drive at any hour.
My first inclination is to just hit Sharks hard; like I said, I've never had a bad experience and almost exclusively go for 100 E / 1 HR sessions. Pretty well funded for this trip.
But. It's my last time for a while. Should I make the effort to experience Oase? Hit one of the smaller ones? (Rom, for example, will be handy at one point).
All recommendations gratefully accepted.
Neurosynth
03-28-19, 04:41
True, I don't know enough about these things. And it seems to me that neighter does anyone. I have just read some basics about quantum entanglement and what that may mean. Quantum fields etc is probably not the end of it either. And what the heck is dmt and dream state's link to all of this? Not to mention Einstein's mc square is useless. And there is a theory of two different sets of time. It makes me dizzy just to consider these things. All I am saying is that no human being has any clue at all. If you think you do, then you are lying. Maybe you have heard more theories than me on quantum physics, but there are too many open ended theories as far as I can tell. And we are all part of it. Especially our consciousness through measurement.If person A knows quite a bit about X, and person B knows very little about X, it's not surprising when B thinks he knows as much about X as A does.
And A knows he doesn't.
Pahllus Maximus
03-28-19, 05:17
The only thing to know about quantum mechanics is how little we know and how alien its properly understood implications are to our ape like perceptions. We have barely scratched the surface and can cook with a few bits of it such as chemistry, semi-conductors and few more bits. Entanglement is one of the more interesting as following Bell circa 1977. Recent photon entanglement reveals spooky action at a distance seems to be real and Einstein was wrong on that bit. The consequences of that mean super-luminary transmission of spin state that violates C; or that there is no space to traverse; or perhaps something jumping through a magical portal, or something else where this is not even the right question or we lack the language to even ask the question. Why I mention this is that the brain, like all biochemistry, is a like a super messy spider web of near random filaments, some transient, some changing form and / or function fluidly with a large number of gates that open and close, proteins, ligands, receptors and much, much more complexity that is polynomial. It is fiendishly difficult and tedious science. There are far more than 11 degrees of separation of discrete functions for even simple cells. I think this is what Pistons meant.
Neuronal activity has no known relationship to orthodox quantum mechanics (as a gross statement, true as to chemistry underneath the proteins), and certainly no memory shard held in the 11th dimension (if that even exists) or indeed any other exotic location as far as presently known.
What I crave is mastery of biochemistry to create massively enhanced sensual experiences, anti-aging and creating and maintaining beautiful women who derive great pleasure by sperm activation in their tonsils, especially in the morning after sleep. They actively seek out the nearest member of the male species to satisfy their urges by BJ's. I would add to that wish a means of engineering out the monkey brain that afflicts us all and we are prisoners of that we need to see the shortcomings of and manage this disability.
Hacking DNA is no longer fantasy or the realm of big pharma. We are already at the point roughly of home computers circa 1974 in terms of accessing DNA hacking at home. Primitive but happening. To continue my metaphor of a million chimps typing, ethics be damned, some interesting stuff will emerge from the chaos of millions of hackers doing their thing. 2050 will be be very interesting if we do not kill ourselves with virii in the meantime. Current medicine will look barbaric by then. Rich people really will be able to make being different more than just social posturing. We may be among the last generation of free range humans.
Now, let's get back to pretty and frisky young women frolicking by the pool naked at FKK's this summer that we can ravish for fun and pleasure.
The only thing to know about quantum mechanics is how little we know and how alien its properly understood implications are to our ape like perceptions. We have barely scratched the surface and can cook with a few bits of it such as chemistry, semi-conductors and few more bits. Entanglement is one of the more interesting as following Bell circa 1977. Recent photon entanglement reveals spooky action at a distance seems to be real and Einstein was wrong on that bit. The consequences of that mean super-luminary transmission of spin state that violates C; or that there is no space to traverse; or perhaps something jumping through a magical portal, or something else where this is not even the right question or we lack the language to even ask the question. Why I mention this is that the brain, like all biochemistry, is a like a super messy spider web of near random filaments, some transient, some changing form and / or function fluidly with a large number of gates that open and close, proteins, ligands, receptors and much, much more complexity that is polynomial. It is fiendishly difficult and tedious science. There are far more than 11 degrees of separation of discrete functions for even simple cells. I think this is what Pistons meant..If one obtain real photo of galaxy, one should often take a look at that photo because compare to galaxy or universe our problem is nothing.
Meanwhile, on this beautiful planet of ours called earth. We can enjoy many thing from natures to cultures to materialism to getting out dick sucked / fucked by many young beautiful girls from all over the world. Isn't it amazing?
Sometimes, on my way back or way to Germany, I look at Siberia, Russia, eastern European nations, Germany etc and I just tell my self, I fucked so many young beautiful girls from these countries below my airplane and they are there somewhere as I look through the air plane window. And since I will not give up being monger, there are girls attending school right now down there in these country, but in few years time when they turn 18 years old, they will appear in German FKK etc to get fucked by me LOL! This is amazing thing to think and feel on airplane as I fly over them making my way to my German FKK paradise listening to paradise city by guns and roses LOL!
Fucking young beautiful girl is only connection I want to have with beautiful girls and when I plug in my penis into their mouth, pussy or anal, I feel the universe LOL! It is the biochemistry going on in my head upon my plug is in LOL!
What a beautiful planet and world we live in and for monger, we made sex life part possible using our own head and own thinking to escape those brainwash conducted on ape human being LOL!
Mongers are the self thinking happy special bleed, mongers are the limited edition prototype ape and not mass production ape.
That quote sound exactly like a modern day marriage LOL. Husband sacrifice his life, especially sex life for one pussy that is depreciating in beauty and youth LOL. And he pays million dollars for that low quality woman of he's LOL.
Well, they also say marriage is end of good life. It is beginning of the end without him realizing it. Some men realize and divorce later which may destroy him financially, some they just suffer without noticing it what is going on due to his boxed thinking that he cannot escape with his brain because his brain is programmed by society and he no longer can think for himself.I fully disagree. When I go to a club, even at Globe where some locals say some girls have princess attitude, but I m used to have the prettiest and the superstars and when they know me, they return to me, even when I'm nothing for money in their business. I can claim I had nearly all the beauties I saw in FKK land, but if it was possible, but I couldn't do anything to help her, I would prefer to live only with one angel and become very old with her. She was not my first girlfriend, she had a previous life before we met, she was a mum, when we met she told me: I have something to tell You, I know You will stop with me, but I need to tell you I don't like to have sex from my previous life, and my previous told me the same 7 years ago. Even I already heard this, but after few days we started she really killed me. When I returned home, tears were crying, but she was such a angel, pretty like a angel, when FKK girls see her still on my phone, more than 8 years after the end of the world, they see her beauty. On next day, I sent her I wanted to keep on with her, I was very patient, but she was a so passionate kisser, always smiling, always kissing, it took months, starting caressing, very complicated about DATY because she thought it was dirty as she was told before, but with manners, she did let me try after about 3 months, I told her how she taste great for my pleasure, trying again when her period, and after about 5 months, once she told me: You come with me. Then never heard about headache nor period pain, but it became daily pleasure. For second time, when for first I re built a woman, but with her I built a angel woman for me. She was already a angel when we met. Women are wonderful and WGs feel how I love women. I remember a little German discovering something at Palace and she returned for feeling again the same. I enjoy when some girls return saying: I would like again. Most of women are not so interested by sex, but most run for pleasure.
Love women and they will love You.
So, I'll be making my last pilgrimage for quite a while in mid May. I should have all day of Monday and Tuesday, plus Friday night for mongering pursuits.
I've been to Dietz (interesting, but no urge to repeat particularly), Mainhatten (first FKK, but small) and Sharks (never a bad experience) in the past. I will have a car and rarely drink, so I am good to drive at any hour.
My first inclination is to just hit Sharks hard; like I said, I've never had a bad experience and almost exclusively go for 100 E / 1 HR sessions. Pretty well funded for this trip.
But. It's my last time for a while. Should I make the effort to experience Oase? Hit one of the smaller ones? (Rom, for example, will be handy at one point).
All recommendations gratefully accepted.No clear answer. With 100 E /60 you will do fine just anywhere in Frankfurt. If Sharks worked best for you, then that is where you should start. Should you try out Oase or anywhere else? It's all up to you. It's not clear what you are searching for. If "big" is it, then Oase is the only alternative. If you are looking for something else, then try something else. Take a chance and be adventureous. If an alternative does not work, then go back to Sharks. If nice weather and looking for a garden, then Oase and World are nice alternatives to Sharks. Cease the opportunity. Obviously; Monday and Tuesday will be more quieter than Friday (smaller lineups).
If person A knows quite a bit about X, and person B knows very little about X, it's not surprising when B thinks he knows as much about X as A does.
And A knows he doesn't.So, basically you regarding all the other topics around here which you comment on. Unless you want to elaborate, you don't know more than anyone else. A google search would give you the information to the 11 dimensional brain math equation I jumped the gun on.
2050 will be be very interesting if we do not kill ourselves with virii in the meantime. Current medicine will look barbaric by then. Well, according to some, nanorobots will be used to boost the brain, and help it access the internet. So we can live in a fully submersive VR world by then. I just wonder if it is possible to recreated all the senses in VR. If so, we can just make our own harem in our own mini matrix FKK long before 2050, with genetically boosted cocks and fully loaded balls. Even small dicked people will be able to experience how it is to be hung like a horse. Either way, there are predictions of massive orgies happening in cyberspace already in about 15-20 years. When the software is good enough, and the first few neural lace chips will hook us up. And maybe even before then too depending on how many bottlenecks there are in our brain. I think it is a given that we will get there given our ability to set up AI to solve problems. Especially when they start using quantum computers for it.
Medicine at 2050 will probably be all about the power of quantum computers also.
I do think there are several dimentional vectors like you said. Probably at least 11 as I mentionned yes. And since math came to that figure in our brains, who knows what happens there that we are not aware of. There is a theory that memory is stored at a higher dimention in the brain too, just that we don't know it. So alot regarding the brain is unknown. I like to believe in the fractional universe where individuals are just some form of creative fractions of a conscious universe. Part of the the 60's hippe movement had it right all along. And the hunger for sex, is a hunger of the universe to hook up, and create a new updated fractional through bonding. One thing you missed in your summery regarding quantum physics is the wave / particle difference through meassuring it. It is only a particle is we meassure it. Otherwise it is a possibility of waves. This key ingredient in meassuring the universe for it to exist is what I am talking about. And it lets me think that we are either a) already living in a simulated matrix run by a quantum computer, or b) the universe is conscious, and our mind is hooked up, and all conscious beings are a fraction of it.
Dmt and these psychadelics used together with increased bandwidth through computer brain implants, might help us reach more of an understanding. There is nothing easily explainable about dreaming for example.
I just worry that sex and orgies will be used to lure us into adding chips to our brains, only so that some crazy government start hacking us all, turning us into slaves for some purpose.
Virtue signaling versus knowledge signaling. Both happen so much on the various internet platforms. Which is predominant just depends on the demographic of the platform. There seems to be a lot of virtue signaling on female and liberal dominated sites. Knowledge signaling seems to happen with the more geeky and nerdy groups. Both habits tend to demonstrate lower social value.
Virtue signaling versus knowledge signaling. Both happen so much on the various internet platforms. Which is predominant just depends on the demographic of the platform. There seems to be a lot of virtue signaling on female and liberal dominated sites. Knowledge signaling seems to happen with the more geeky and nerdy groups. Both habits tend to demonstrate lower social value.Good, lets go back to the monkey stage of no virtues, nor knowledge then. And act only by our instincts. So then we certainly must agree on the things I have claimed before here. And keep down our illusion of cognition helping us forward. I believe the word 'tend', is the key to your post there. The only thing to be derived from it at all. Aside from that, we probably cannot escape our monkey greater family instincts. Just perhaps be able to discuss them.
I tried this on the Austria forum, but didn't get any replies. Therefore I try here, hope it is ok.
I am visiting the Graz-area (A) in the start of May. I have visited German FKK's through the years, and my favorites are the big ones. I prefer Sharks in Darmstadt before Artemis in Berlin, and think the small FKK's are a little boring compared to the bigger ones.
I don't know yet if I am flying in to Munchen or Vienna, hiring a car. What would you suggest as the best FKK between Munchen-Vienna-Graz? Open for all suggestions.
I tried this on the Austria forum, but didn't get any replies. Therefore I try here, hope it is ok.
I am visiting the Graz-area (A) in the start of May. I have visited German FKK's through the years, and my favorites are the big ones. I prefer Sharks in Darmstadt before Artemis in Berlin, and think the small FKK's are a little boring compared to the bigger ones.
I don't know yet if I am flying in to Munchen or Vienna, hiring a car. What would you suggest as the best FKK between Munchen-Vienna-Graz? Open for all suggestions.Wellcum close to Italian border is number 1 in Austria now, maybe GT Vienna? After visiting wonderful Vienna.
LaBambaBoy
03-28-19, 21:14
I hope they are out there mongering and happy somewhere. Place is less without them around.
I fully disagree. When I go to a club, even at Globe where some locals say some girls have princess attitude, but I m used to have the prettiest and the superstars and when they know me, they return to me, even when I'm nothing for money in their business. I can claim I had nearly all the beauties I saw in FKK land, but if it was possible, but I couldn't do anything to help her, I would prefer to live only with one angel and become very old with her. She was not my first girlfriend, she had a previous life before we met, she was a mum, when we met she told me: I have something to tell You, I know You will stop with me, but I need to tell you I don't like to have sex from my previous life, and my previous told me the same 7 years ago. Even I already heard this, but after few days we started she really killed me. When I returned home, tears were crying, but she was such a angel, pretty like a angel, when FKK girls see her still on my phone, more than 8 years after the end of the world, they see her beauty. .Siri, I can become friend with benefit with FKK women, they cut me better service, I go with them when I am in German FKK over the years and as I wrote before when they are gone, some of them are still in my memories because they gave me such a good sexual memories.
However, it is hard for my rational ass to feel or have mindset like you toward women I meet in German FKK simply because it is brothel.
I know some of them are nice hearted and I respect them for their strength to be so nice like them in not so nice situation of their life. But I cannot have more feeling than appreciation and some kind of friendship with benefit with these girls I meet in German FKK because again German FKK is brothel.
Also bottom line is that I only love women for how they look and I want to fuck them, but I cannot love them after youth and beauty is gone like many guys do during marriage. The reason I love mongering so much is because I can have first night of honeymoon sex with many young beautiful girls different ones every year, I love mongering, but not girls in it. I like them though and some of them are still in my memories because they gave me good memories that I can never forget, and oh they still give me boner even though they are gone and I only got their photo to jerk off too now LOL LOL LOL!
Steve 9696
03-29-19, 01:31
I tried this on the Austria forum, but didn't get any replies. Therefore I try here, hope it is ok.
I am visiting the Graz-area (A) in the start of May. I have visited German FKK's through the years, and my favorites are the big ones. I prefer Sharks in Darmstadt before Artemis in Berlin, and think the small FKK's are a little boring compared to the bigger ones.
I don't know yet if I am flying in to Munchen or Vienna, hiring a car. What would you suggest as the best FKK between Munchen-Vienna-Graz? Open for all suggestions.A few things I know. Munich sucks. Graz sucks. Maxim and Goldentime Vienna are both supposed to be good.
If you MUST do Graz as I did (I mean you can't skip a perfectly good day of fucking just because the venue sucks) then Claudius Caesar will do in a pinch. The bar and rooms are great but the girls tend more towards 4-6 range. See my report in recent pages in the Graz forum. I found a 6. 5 that gave me a great time. So it is possible.
LaBambaBoy
03-29-19, 02:03
No clear answer. With 100 E /60 you will do fine just anywhere in Frankfurt. If Sharks worked best for you, then that is where you should start. Should you try out Oase or anywhere else? It's all up to you. It's not clear what you are searching for. If "big" is it, then Oase is the only alternative. If you are looking for something else, then try something else. Take a chance and be adventureous. If an alternative does not work, then go back to Sharks. If nice weather and looking for a garden, then Oase and World are nice alternatives to Sharks. Cease the opportunity. Obviously; Monday and Tuesday will be more quieter than Friday (smaller lineups).Well, I've done Dietz, had my bargain price AO experience, and all apologies to the daycare, I don't need to do it again.
Mainhatten was fine, but smallish, so no need to do that again.
Sharks is going to get at least one night, if not all 3. But Mon / Tuesday I have all day, so that might be a lot. Plus, in my experience, when you spend consecutive full days at one place, you get both better deals with some of the girls, but also get nagged hard by others. So maybe Monday and Friday for Sharks.
The RLD is a blast, but can be hit or miss, can take a lot of time, is best in the day, and does not have parking. I might take a tour over to the Mainz RLD just for flavor though.
Oase is attractive because it is another big optics-heavy situation like Sharks, which I know I like. Palace is also interesting in a similar vein. Since I have a car, Oase is easy.
Then there are some smaller ones like Finca Erotica, Atlanta, Rom that are interesting because of the value proposition. Do I take a flyer?
So many Ro, so little time.
True. But as far as I am aware, this loneliness epidemic is not related to the channels of online communication. They are secondary. But more to the technologies themselves. Which are the primary part. Such as a smartphone. An xbox. A computer. Or some fancy new toy you can play with alone. It is not like it was when I was young and all I spent my time on was playing ball sports like football and some basket. Or other games with 5-10 friends. I have seen this shift away from sports with friends towards technology related stuff one step at a time.Internet and video games have slowly been replacing face-to-face human interactions. I would say that ages of 16-25 are prime years for learning social skills. These are the years when one starts to gain independence from parents and when one has the most free time to socialize.
Second, I would say all humans need some form of social interaction, although it varies from person to person. Naturally introverted or ostracized people will spend more time alone at home. Even these people have a need to interact with humans, so internet forums, SMS, and video games meet that need, but just BARELY. Thus technology provides them just enough social interaction, so they are not motivated to meet real friends at the pub. The technology then becomes their "safe" place and comfort zone. And soon they find themselves using their preferred choice of technology every waking minute that they are not at work or school. This stunts social development.
Let's take an average 60 year old person, born in 1959. I would say that this 60 year old had better social skills in 1979 than the average 20 year old today. And also better social skills in 1999 than the average 40 year old today. Why? Because when the 60 year old was in his prime years for socializing, the only distraction from loneliness and boredom was TV. The internet was in its infancy, so he had to actually go out and meet people face-to-face to meet his needs (Maslow's love and belonging).
For the purposes of developing social skills, face-to-face is the best way to communicate. Followed by phone. Then lastly textual messages. With technology, the first two happen in real-time. The persons involved in the conversation need to be able to respond immediately. This sharpens the mind like two people doing improv. It sharpens the ability for one to think on their feet. Text messaging or formulating internet posts and emails, allows the person to think and carefully and methodically craft a response. Some people are just "gifted" with written and verbal communication, but for everyone it can be improved with practice. Finally, there is a difference between face-to-face and phone conversation. The former involves facial expressions and body languages.
When someone has locked himself in dark rooms staring at screens most of his adult life, they will be horrible at reading body language and facial expressions. They talk when they should be listening. They joke when they should not. They force a joke, even after it falls flat. When their audience is visibly uncomfortable, they do not recognize it, and stay on the same subject. They are not cognizant of the audience and do not know social cues. Most people will find this type of person incredibly annoying--exception being WGs and / or people that are incentivized by money. I work in a STEM field, so I have met quite a few geeks who do not socialize in the real world. They are ashamed. Nobody wants to admit that they don't really have any friends. Several times it became incredibly awkward because they started fabricating stories about having imaginary friends or a model GF. I just pretended to believe them and quickly changed the subject. Think the scene in 40 year old virgin when Steve Carell's character is obviously lying. https://youtu.be/Vn3IRHhPXMo.
When someone has spent thousands of hours socializing face-to-face, it is quite evident. For instance, their stories are often better, because unlike the socially isolated guy, they actually have people to talk to and listen to them. They practice their stories to different audiences. They read the audience's facial expressions and they can gauge the audience's emotionally response and fine tune and improve their story. The socially isolated storyteller has no idea that his audience has stopped listening and his stories never improve. This is a link to a video of a celebrity telling a story on a talk show: https://youtu.be/U3zCAPf9nVI Notice the facial expressions, hand gestures, the changing tones in his voice for emphasis, pausing for effect, touching and playfully interacting with his audience. And then there is witty banter from the fat bald guy. Skills like this cannot be sharpened by text messaging and internet forums.
This post has gotten long. My social skills (or possibly lack thereof) tell me that most people probably have stopped reading. And I suspect, even before that, many people probably scrolled past as soon as they saw "McAdonis", because they don't want to read my psycho-babble. That's fine. I don't want to be a serial poster, because that would be, well, annoying
If person A knows quite a bit about X, and person B knows very little about X, it's not surprising when B thinks he knows as much about X as A does.
And A knows he doesn't.It happens a lot. Just check out facebook discussions. You often see some geek talking about theories and the Cosmos like he has a PhD on the subject; but if you click on his profile, you see that he is some random loser working a dead end sales and marketing job with no discernible skills. Knowledge signaling when one has minimum familiarity but certainly not mastery of the subject matter, it's a character flaw of low value people.
Internet and video games have slowly been replacing face-to-face human interactions. I would say that ages of 16-25 are prime years for learning social skills. These are the years when one starts to gain independence from parents and when one has the most free time to socialize.
Second, I would say all humans need some form of social interaction, although it varies from person to person. Naturally introverted or ostracized people will spend more time alone at home. Even these people have a need to interact with humans, so internet forums, SMS, and video games meet that need, but just BARELY. Thus technology provides them just enough social interaction, so they are not motivated to meet real friends at the pub. The technology then becomes their "safe" place and comfort zone. And soon they find themselves using their preferred choice of technology every waking minute that they are not at work or school. This stunts social development.Man, if you can think so deep and long like this on the subject of social skill, you got some social skill knowledge LOL.
Whats up with this sex forum and this social skill and human connection shit? You monger for that? It is each their own, but if so that is to my surprise because I monger for sex and sex only, I want to fuck many beautiful girls all over world including my own nations Eurasian, that is why I monger.
Anyway, there is no social skill I know of that enable mongers to talk about this in most of mongers private life, so one can talk about mongering on sex forum like this one with anonymity, so technology allowed us human, in this case monger to discuss what we cannot talk about in open space in close space on internet like this sex forum is dedicated for mostly monger. Therefore, technology is not bad thing.
I am in office now, and when I go for lunch in about one hour time and if some colleague may mention about let say maria ozawa or rola takizawa being hot, I must go along with them and just say something like yeah, they are hot girls, but I cannot say I fucked them before, then somehow I will be talked about and criticized, so the social skill is to just lie and hide, I cannot tell them about my mongering side. But see this is odd thing, people watch, talk about porn star being hot etc. But if you actually fucked them, it is not wise to just say, I fucked them for 150000 yen (about 1500 USD) or 50000 yen (500 USD), then suddenly I will be criticized, so social skill is to just lie and say something that fit the moment, it is ape like human behavior on their side because they jerk off to porn stars, but if one fuck them for money it is bad thing to do in society LOL. I mean how hypocrite and ironic is that? It is like this because we all are planted that liberal sex and achieving what you want in area of lust is bad thing even it is legal. I would say, social skill in certain case like this very not natural and uncomfortable thing to do where one has to say cliche to fit in to society norm to protect your self and avoid nonsense problems.
mWhen someone has locked himself in dark rooms staring at screens most of his adult life, they will be horrible at reading body language and facial expressions. They talk when they should be listening. They joke when they should not. They force a joke, even after it falls flat. When their audience is visibly uncomfortable, they do not recognize it, and stay on the same subject. They are not cognizant of the audience and do not know social cues. Most people will find this type of person incredibly annoying
Bump.
Key description is that they are not cognizant.
That is the danger of full time mongering. The continuous validation and reinforcement of poor social skills stunts growth. Even if one does not monger year round, hanging on to those moments of happiness from a far away land also perpetuates that arrested development.
Siri, I can become friend with benefit with FKK women, they cut me better service, I go with them when I am in German FKK over the years and as I wrote before when they are gone, some of them are still in my memories because they gave me such a good sexual memories.
However, it is hard for my rational ass to feel or have mindset like you toward women I meet in German FKK simply because it is brothel.
I know some of them are nice hearted and I respect them for their strength to be so nice like them in not so nice situation of their life. But I cannot have more feeling than appreciation and some kind of friendship with benefit with these girls I meet in German FKK because again German FKK is brothel.
Also bottom line is that I only love women for how they look and I want to fuck them, but I cannot love them after youth and beauty is gone like many guys do during marriage.You don't seem to love women. With my mother, I could only love women and elegance.
A few things I know. Munich sucks. Graz sucks. Maxim and Goldentime Vienna are both supposed to be good.
If you MUST do Graz as I did (I mean you can't skip a perfectly good day of fucking just because the venue sucks) then Claudius Caesar will do in a pinch. The bar and rooms are great but the girls tend more towards 4-6 range. See my report in recent pages in the Graz forum. I found a 6. 5 that gave me a great time. So it is possible.Thank you for your answer!
This is a link to a video of a celebrity telling a story on a talk show: https://youtu.be/U3zCAPf9nVI Notice the facial expressions, hand gestures, the changing tones in his voice for emphasis, pausing for effect, touching and playfully interacting with his audience. And then there is witty banter from the fat bald guy. Skills like this cannot be sharpened by text messaging and internet forums.
This post has gotten long. My social skills (or possibly lack thereof) tell me that most people probably have stopped reading. And I suspect, even before that, many people probably scrolled past as soon as they saw "McAdonis", because they don't want to read my psycho-babble. That's fine. I don't want to be a serial poster, because that would be, well, annoyingThe end was the highlight here actually.
Regarding the celebrity with his story, that is at professional actor level of story telling there. Something they teach in rethorics class even. And it takes a long time to master it. You also won't find many people below the age of 40. Or maybe even below the age of 50 that are as good as he is. I think especially these hand and body gestures is something we can improve on all our lives without fully mastering it. As we grow older, our tunnel vision also expands, so we are able to notice more things going on around us. Getting such crazy stories may be the hardest part though. Maybe he just made up that one too. But since he is such a great actor, it is much harder to spot it, than among the STEM friends who never hit the gym.
Personally I have mainly felt my social skills with girls go up and down dependent on my personal looks and shape. I've had periods where I did tons of sports and hit the gym a lot, and periods with far less where my physique were hurt. The physical effects got probably mirrored in self awareness too. Something girls sense. Pluss girls are as much into looks as we are. So a STEM geek has the odds against him unless he spends time at the gym. I also believe Jordan Peterson has a point when discussing #metoo. Where he states how guys have no chance at noticing all these minor impulses girls give off. Perhaps a main reason for the #metoo stories we get all the time these days, are in fact related to what we are discussing here. Guys spending too much time in isolation behind a computer screen, and not getting that face to face experience. Especially with women.
Secondly, excusing oneself for a tldr post is something I have noticed works well too. It helps other people find empathy. So in a way you are programming other people into not thinking it was too long. And into making excuses for you subconsciously in their minds. I said some of the same thing to a girl recently who responded with 'don't excuse yourself'. Just thought I'd point that out. I believe the term is cognitive programming. Very useful way of thinking of it. For example for use in robotics. Something STEM professionals should take note in. Meaning they need to improve their social skills if they ever want to get good at robotics programming.
Hello all,
As can be seen by my posting frequency, I have been out of Europe for over two years. Because of this, I am completely out of touch with all that is or has happened in FKK land in the last 2 years (not that I was a true expert to start). I have now moved to Germany (near Frankfurt) and am ready to get my feet wet again. The difference this time is that my girlfriend (20 years younger than me) is with me. She and I have done some things in the past that can be categorized as swinging and the nudist / naturalist lifestyle but have never gone to a FKK Club. She is intrigued by the idea and I want to take her to one and share the experience with her. But I want it to be a good experience so that there is a high probability that she will like it and want to explore others with me. So the selection of the first FKK, is an important one. As I try to remember my FKK experiences of the past, I cannot recall seeing a couple at any of the Frankfurt FKKs and think I have only seen a couple once at Magnum up in the NRW area. So this is completely new to me (to us) and would like some advice on both generalities and particulars from members who have more experience than me. As everyone has a different comfort level, it may be best to share our (her) expectations while in a FKK. She would like the ability to be and possibly walk around naked (especially near pool, saunas and outdoor areas); sex with women in the club (both active and watching me) - I know this is lady specific; she would like to possibly have sex with another male guest (no exchange of money) - I know this may not go over well with the ladies in the club so it is not a requirement. So on to my general questions, I will ask the specific questions after we narrow down where we want to go.
Is there a recommended FKK in the Frankfurt area that is more couple friendly than others? Are there specific days that are better?
The same question for Germany as a whole- is there a FKK or Sauna Club that is considered to be the best for couples?
Best wishes,
KY.
Polyamorist
03-29-19, 17:39
If so, we can just make our own harem in our own mini matrix FKK long before 2050, with genetically boosted cocks and fully loaded balls. And in the real world. DNA hacking li wajhillah (ftw).
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/health/woman-pain-anxiety.html
The Woman Who Never Felt Pain. Now the eggheads are trying to isolate the gene so they can breed girls optimized for anal sex. But that would probably spoil the fun for half you assfuckers.
Also for acrobatic sex they will take the gene from the movie 'Unbreakable'. And girls who have been bitten by radioactive spiders will be able to fuck you while clinging to the ceiling. In 11 dimensions. Science. It never fails to amaze me what it can achieve when you have taken as much LSD as my friend and futurist Pistons.
Hello all,
As can be seen by my posting frequency, I have been out of Europe for over two years. Because of this, I am completely out of touch with all that is or has happened in FKK land in the last 2 years (not that I was a true expert to start). I have now moved to Germany (near Frankfurt) and am ready to get my feet wet again. The difference this time is that my girlfriend (20 years younger than me) is with me. She and I have done some things in the past that can be categorized as swinging and the nudist / naturalist lifestyle but have never gone to a FKK Club. She is intrigued by the idea and I want to take her to one and share the experience with her. But I want it to be a good experience so that there is a high probability that she will like it and want to explore others with me. So the selection of the first FKK, is an important one. As I try to remember my FKK experiences of the past, I cannot recall seeing a couple at any of the Frankfurt FKKs and think I have only seen a couple once at Magnum up in the NRW area. So this is completely new to me (to us) and would like some advice on both generalities and particulars from members who have more experience than me. As everyone has a different comfort level, it may be best to share our (her) expectations while in a FKK. She would like the ability to be and possibly walk around naked (especially near pool, saunas and outdoor areas); sex with women in the club (both active and watching me) - I know this is lady specific; she would like to possibly have sex with another male guest (no exchange of money) - I know this may not go over well with the ladies in the club so it is not a requirement. So on to my general questions, I will ask the specific questions after we narrow down where we want to go.
Is there a recommended FKK in the Frankfurt area that is more couple friendly than others? Are there specific days that are better?
The same question for Germany as a whole- is there a FKK or Sauna Club that is considered to be the best for couples?
Best wishes,
KY.FKK Babylon in Koln is probably your only good FKK choice. In Frankfurt area Oase, Palace and Mainhattan allows couples but your GF can't be naked in public, pretty lame.
For making all your and her wishes come true, have you got a membership in joyclub. De and looked for 5 star rated events listed there?
Also, you may want to explore Cap the'Adge in France.
Good luck.
Neurosynth
03-29-19, 21:20
So, basically you regarding all the other topics around here which you comment on. Unless you want to elaborate, you don't know more than anyone else. A google search would give you the information to the 11 dimensional brain math equation I jumped the gun on.There are things I know about and there are things I don't know about. This is one of the former, and I didn't need Google to respond to your misinterpretation of the research. But for anyone who is still interested (or should I say "if") . . .
" . . . The team used algebraic topology, a branch of mathematics used to describe the properties of objects and spaces regardless of how they change shape.
They found that groups of neurons connect into 'cliques', and that the number of neurons in a clique would lead to its size as a high-dimensional geometric object (a mathematical dimensional concept, not a space-time one). . . . Just to be clear. This isn't how you'd think of spatial dimensions (our Universe has three spatial dimensions plus one time dimension), instead it refers to how the researchers have looked at the neuron cliques to determine how connected they are.
"Networks are often analysed in terms of groups of nodes that are all-to-all connected, known as cliques. The number of neurons in a clique determines its size, or more formally, its dimension," the researchers explained in the paper. ".
https://www.sciencealert.com/science-discovers-human-brain-works-up-to-11-dimensions
And if there is confusion as to the basic notion that 3 dimensional hardware can implement more than 3 dimensions in connectivity...note the diagram labeled "4-bit binary tesseract for finding Hamming distance" at this URL:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamming_distance
All of the nodes in that network have a 4 bit address. Each bit is a dimension with the meaning noted above, i.e. it is 4-dimensional. In this example any node can be reached by any node with a maximum of 4 hops, one for each dimension.
Building up 11 dimensions of connectivity allows a signal to travel from one neuron to another with far fewer hops than if there was only 3 dimensions. Fewer hops is faster, and faster is better.
Bump.
Key description is that they are not cognizant.
That is the danger of full time mongering. The continuous validation and reinforcement of poor social skills stunts growth. Even if one does not monger year round, hanging on to those moments of happiness from a far away land also perpetuates that arrested development.McAdonis I wrote you privately but this is very much like what I meant.
You don't seem to love women. With my mother, I could only love women and elegance.Yes and no. I love women sexually if they are beautiful. Their irrationality thinking, no I do not love and I do not want to spend too much time with them out side bed. Well, I do not know what kind of relationship you had with your mother, but one should not seek more than sex in FKK or any type of brothel.
However, I love the elegance, but I love the elegance in area of clothes, shoes, sport car, house, watch, natures, design in general and also some other things in life, but when it comes to women, I know what you mean by elegance, but that is mostly via marketing conducted by society, so I know it is an illusion, but I do love to fuck that beautiful young elegant girl.
Bottom line is that, FKK is a brothel and how brothel play part in your life is each their own, but to me, I only see brothel as where I fuck, that is it, brothel for me is there to have sex, I do not care to have human connection or communication at brothel, I just go there and fuck, have good memories and leave.
Whats up with this sex forum and this social skill and human connection shit? You monger for that? It is each their own, but if so that is to my surprise because I monger for sex and sex only,Without social skills, one will not be able to connect with other humans. Without the ability to connect to other humans, one will be socially isolated. Social isolation leads to loneliness and depression, which has been shown to impact physical health. One needs to be mentally and physically healthy to function as a human being (I. E. make money, enjoy sex).
Recent research has shown that people who are lonely and isolated are more likely to have heart disease and stroke, get immune system problems, and may even have a harder time recovering from cancer.
Its also clear that loneliness is closely linked to depression and may lead to an early death.
https://www.webmd.com/balance/news/20180504/loneliness-rivals-obesity-smoking-as-health-risk
Nothing wrong with mongering for sex and sex only. I do not believe it is mandatory to seek human connection from WGs. In many cases, it is not advisable. Human connection with normal friends is, however, mandatory. To me, human connection is lacking in many Western countries, and the problem is getting worse with technology-addicted youth.
Japan has some of the longest working hours in the world. If that is the case, that means single Japanese are probably too tired to meet friends at the pub, preferring to go directly home. The easy thing to do, I suppose is to spend all their free time on internet forums or social media. It is, after all, the lazy way to "socialize". Also, my understanding is that there is tremendous pressure for Japanese to conform to society, and lashing out, acting out, and rebelling are not really tolerated like it is in the West. So Japanese need to find a way to "vent" (I. E. "Society is fucked up, why can't it be monger friendly!) I hope Japanese find other outlets to express their emotions. If they keep their emotions bottled up, the rates of youth suicide and hikikomori will continue to be higher than other countries.
Without social skills, you will not be able to connect with other humans. Without the ability to connect to other humans, you will be socially isolated. Social isolation leads to loneliness and depression, which has been shown to impact physical health. You need to be mentally and physically healthy to function as a human being (I. E. make money, enjoy sex).
Nothing wrong with mongering for sex and sex only. I do not believe it is mandatory to seek human connection from WGs. In many cases, it is not advisable. Human connection with normal friends is, however, mandatory. To me, human connection is lacking in many Western countries, and the problem is getting worse with technology-addicted youth..How many accounts do you have? LOL.
Cane and Mr Ho. There is a person posting in various threads who has maybe eight handles. I try not to be conned into replying to any of them.Yes, it is very evident again.
So sad and low, what is the purpose of making few account talking to themselves and contexts are always same, attacking others.
I think some mongers are in dilemma of mongering pointing finger at other mongers without realizing their own action. Even writing here on the forum, they do not see themselves of what they are doing and criticize other for writing when they are actually writing here themselves.
Well they must be such a sad unhappy people.
I always thought mongers are happy people just enjoying life like I am doing, but some clearly seek for different purpose in German FKK or other brothel. I just want to fuck in brothel and that's it.
Sharks is going to get at least one night, if not all 3. But Mon / Tuesday I have all day, so that might be a lot. Plus, in my experience, when you spend consecutive full days at one place, you get both better deals with some of the girls, but also get nagged hard by others. So maybe Monday and Friday for Sharks.It seems you got most of your "gameplan" prepared already. So Tuesday is the time for you to maybe explore something new?
- Tuesdays are Dessous Tag at World and Atlanta (and possibly also Finca), so "FKK fundamentalists" therefore avoid those clubs on those days. Are you in that category?
- You say Mainhattan is "small"? Too small for you? Atlanta, Rom and Finca are smaller. I find it hard to spend more than 5- 6 hrs there. But maybe you can do two clubs in one day?
- Palace is a night club. You will be wasting your time before 5 pm.
- Oase is the only club with a LU with similar optical quality as Sharks. But with some upselling risks. The smaller clubs you mention have less upselling, but also less choices from an optical pov.
- Sharks is a great choice and possibly the best in the area (can be debated). As you say, there are some clear advantages staying consecutive days in a club you enjoy. But it can also get boring. At the end of the day it is a personal feeling and the decision can wait until you wake up Tuesday morning.
Hope this helps in your decision making.
Enjoy!
Even if one does not monger year round, hanging on to those moments of happiness from a far away land also perpetuates that arrested development.
McAdonis I wrote you privately but this is very much like what I meant.Never made that connection before. But according to Fig. 12 on this report, "reliving past memories" is reportedly one of the primary coping mechanisms for loneliness, according to surveyed people in USA, UK, Japan: https://www.kff.org/report-section/loneliness-and-social-isolation-in-the-united-states-the-united-kingdom-and-japan-an-international-survey-section-1/.
With regards to being socially lazy, this rationale or thought process makes sense to me: "That WG from the last trip gave me such an amazing BJ and in less than a month I will be back in FKK land to see her again, so fuck it, no need to chase this civilian girl".
But does reliving past memories make you socially lazy, when it is three of your male friends asking you to hang out? Are you like: "Nah, man I feel a cold coming on, I don't want stay out late (because I got that FKK trip coming up next week)".
Regarding the celebrity with his story, that is at professional actor level of story telling there. Something they teach in rethorics class even. And it takes a long time to master it. You also won't find many people below the age of 40. Or maybe even below the age of 50 that are as good as he is. I think especially these hand and body gestures is something we can improve on all our lives without fully mastering it. We seem to agree. Face-to-face social skills, like storytelling, is a combination of verbal communication, body language, and giving the appropriate emotional response to your audience (based on verbal and non-verbal feedback from the audience). You seem to be making the point that such skills can be improved with practice. But I agree, like any skill, it is difficult to master.
LaBambaBoy
03-30-19, 01:50
It seems you got most of your "gameplan" prepared already. So Tuesday is the time for you to maybe explore something new?
- Tuesdays are Dessous Tag at World and Atlanta (and possibly also Finca), so "FKK fundamentalists" therefore avoid those clubs on those days. Are you in that category?
- You say Mainhattan is "small"? Too small for you? Atlanta, Rom and Finca are smaller. I find it hard to spend more than 5- 6 hrs there. But maybe you can do two clubs in one day?
- Palace is a night club. You will be wasting your time before 5 pm.
- Oase is the only club with a LU with similar optical quality as Sharks. But with some upselling risks. The smaller clubs you mention have less upselling, but also less choices from an optical pov.
- Sharks is a great choice and possibly the best in the area (can be debated). As you say, there are some clear advantages staying consecutive days in a club you enjoy. But it can also get boring. At the end of the day it is a personal feeling and the decision can wait until you wake up Tuesday morning.
Hope this helps in your decision making.
Enjoy!"Dessous Tag" is lingerie day, correct? That would be fine.
Mainhatten is small in the sense I don't think I could do more than the 5-6 hours you mention. I pick up my car around noon on Monday, so Sharks might be the choice for Monday.
I am wondering about 2 clubs on Tuesday -- maybe a far trip to Finca, then moving to Oase? I feel like I really should see Oase, and I am not bothered by the sharkiness too much.
Good tip regarding Palace being a PM club.
Thanks!
FKK Babylon in Koln is probably your only good FKK choice. In Frankfurt area Oase, Palace and Mainhattan allows couples but your GF can't be naked in public, pretty lame.
For making all your and her wishes come true, have you got a membership in joyclub. De and looked for 5 star rated events listed there?
Also, you may want to explore Cap the'Adge in France.
Good luck.Thanks for the tips. I guess we will have to plan a trip up to Koln soon.
Yes and no. I love women sexually if they are beautiful. Their irrationality thinking, no I do not love and I do not want to spend too much time with them out side bed. Well, I do not know what kind of relationship you had with your mother, but one should not seek more than sex in FKK or any type of brothel.
However, I love the elegance, but I love the elegance in area of clothes, shoes, sport car, house, watch, natures, design in general and also some other things in life, but when it comes to women, I know what you mean by elegance, but that is mostly via marketing conducted by society, so I know it is an illusion, but I do love to fuck that beautiful young elegant girl.
Bottom line is that, FKK is a brothel and how brothel play part in your life is each their own, but to me, I only see brothel as where I fuck, that is it, brothel for me is there to have sex, I do not care to have human connection or communication at brothel, I just go there and fuck, have good memories and leave.Everywhere, even in brothels, you have elegant or not women, by the way they put their head, body, how they walk, how they behave, I met some elegant in FKK land and Romanians are higher than Germans for chic. In brothels, only sex with a piece of meat girl is so boring, fortunately for me when I see how girls react with me, this is usually more interesting, and what is really interesting is to see how they react when we have problems, women reactions, much more interesting than just emptying balls.
Women are much more interesting and clever than men for me, even the most clever are not in brothels, but I enjoy when woman behavior. Sex is not enough pleasure for me. I think girls feel very fast how I love women, so they follow my game and most ask to repeat. I enjoy when they return to me and when some even ask for pleasure, really enjoyable.
I might visit Frankfurt in few week.
As I'm a tourist I have to choose a good week.
Is 16 - 20 April good time?? I'm afraid many girls will leave for Romania for Easter Holiday. What do you think?
Pahllus Maximus
03-30-19, 21:30
Well done Takedown, good call. Sort of.
The continuous validation and reinforcement of advanced social skills such as manipulation or fake empathy one sees in lawyers, politicians, scam artists and others (such as Bernie Made-Off and other corporate crooks) often have a far more dangerous side than an awkward geek, including being superficial. They never offend anyone by saying one thing in public (or keeping quiet) and thinking and doing another and ready to throw others under a bus when they are no longer useful. Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos had great social skills. She scammed the creme-de-creme of silicon valley before it blew up as a fraud. John Law blew up France's economy in the Mississippi bubble of 1720. Or Hitler or any charismatic leader that fell out of favor. The list is endless. The social masters are a needed part of the system for sure. The most socially developed are great at networking that in turn is usually a good predictor of success in career and business. Most leaders in one way or another are sales people that connect others and win them over. More sarcastically, many of those not socially arrested are regularly arrested in real life for crime. What you call success was ascribed to these people who, for a while, were feted as super humans. The carnage of that fetishized social capital is jobs lost, capital and companies destroyed and often lives.
As Alan Turing once said, "Sometimes it is the people no one imagines anything of who do the things that no one can imagine". There is a place for those socially awkward who live in their heads as well. They dream up amazing stuff and have brilliant insights that benefit millions. Some people manage both worlds. But they are very rare.
What we can agree on is that locked away at a computer screen, darkened FKKs and lack of real social interaction is not good for people. I'm wary of putting simplistic labels on people for a given time slot. People are mostly inherently complex and changing significantly over time (we call it moods). We must be especially wary of pseudo science like labels found in psychology that bolsters highly incomplete observations with an undeserved credence. Worse till, it asserts a value by simply using a implicitly pejorative label. As you posit knowledge & virtue signalling is akin to dressing up mutton as lamb indicating low value of the purveyor of that signalling, to which there is admittedly an element of truth.
Now turn that around. Pseudo science like labels of behavior based minimal observation and insight at a snapshot in time that be atypical. The criticism you level at the signalers who lack mastery applies far more to the reductionist behaviour label, as does the attribution of low value. I will go further and venture that using labels and boxes on complex things signals lower intellect, even more so when underwritten by pseudo science official sounding labels to turn a pure opinion into a quasi-fact and justify things like drugging people to death, extreme abuse and lobotomies not that long ago. Chastity belts and attempts to "cure" homosexuality are also recent history of this brigade.
Nobody cares for a fat loser in mom's basement lacking education, hygiene, brains, social skills or lacking any really cool, stand-out positive attribute or expertise. Everyone likes a skilled person who is generous, honest and hard working. Nobody likes a smartass. Some of of the socially skilled are serious smartasses; they are just better a hiding it and manipulating others. Lawyers and politicians come to mind, as do grifters and scam-artists. Charming. And toxic. We should all try to maximse our human capital and help others to do the same.
People in glass houses should not throw stones. A pebble to see if it still bounces is a better and more nuanced approach than declarations.
Everywhere, even in brothels, you have elegant or not women, by the way they put their head, body, how they walk, how they behave, I met some elegant in FKK land and Romanians are higher than Germans for chic. In brothels, only sex with a piece of meat girl is so boring, fortunately for me when I see how girls react with me, this is usually more interesting, and what is really interesting is to see how they react when we have problems, women reactions, much more interesting than just emptying balls.
Women are much more interesting and clever than men for me, even the most clever are not in brothels, but I enjoy when woman behavior. Sex is not enough pleasure for me. I think girls feel very fast how I love women, so they follow my game and most ask to repeat. I enjoy when they return to me and when some even ask for pleasure, really enjoyable.Yeah, I know siri, but for me I go to brothel for sex only and I do not get into illusion that they try to sell. I do agree with you that there are or more like there were some elegant or let say more like really beautiful normal girls walking into FKK main bar for just short period of time to make quick cash, there still are, but it really is rare.
Another part I agree is that empowering women in work place, to my experience, they usually perform much better because they try to prove themselves.
But for me I go to brothel for sex and fun. I do not go to brothel thinking that it is real, brothel and mongering is my hobby, not more. I do love doing it though, it is one of few thing that still get me excited, but not as much since I have been mongering ever since I was 17 or 18, so sex with beauties has been supplied to me throughout my life, so naturally, excitement level is let say little more calmer than before. I still love it and I will always be monger though.
Polyamorist
03-31-19, 03:17
Hail General Maximus, salve et dei te ament. The story so far:
many of those not socially arrested are regularly arrested in real life for crime. What you call success was ascribed to these people who, for a while, were feted as super humans. The carnage of that fetishized social capital is jobs lost, capital and companies destroyed and often lives.
That is the danger of full time mongering. The continuous validation and reinforcement of poor social skills stunts growth. Even if one does not monger year round, hanging on to those moments of happiness from a far away land also perpetuates that arrested development.
When someone has spent thousands of hours socializing face-to-face, it is quite evident. For instance, their stories are often better, because unlike the socially isolated guy, they actually have people to talk to and listen to them. They practice their stories to different audiences. They read the audience's facial expressions and they can gauge the audience's emotionally response and fine tune and improve their story. The socially isolated storyteller has no idea that his audience has stopped listening and his stories never improve. This is a link to a video of a celebrity telling a story on a talk show: https://youtu.be/U3zCAPf9nVI Notice the facial expressions, hand gestures, the changing tones in his voice for emphasis, pausing for effect, touching and playfully interacting with his audience. And then there is witty banter from the fat bald guy. Skills like this cannot be sharpened by text messaging and internet forums.
I have seen this shift away from sports with friends towards technology related stuff one step at a time since test playing football for a top team, to irc after school, onwards to friends doing professional pc gaming, tons of friends playing mmos while at university etc etc. In a way, girl-guy relationships seems to just be an offshoot.
Jmioffe, thanks for sharing your experience.
Loneliness is a growing epidemic and reportedly affects 1 in 4 people in many countries, so I do not think it should be stigmatized. It should not be something one needs to be defensive about: https://www.kff.org/report-section/loneliness-and-social-isolation-in-the-united-states-the-united-kingdom-and-japan-an-international-survey-section-1/.
You write that it "jeopardized your human development" and that you find it hard to "develop a connection" with people.
This is something I'm wrestling with at the moment too. I've been a lot of beautiful women, but I think the main danger with this hobby that I hadn't realized is not that it threatens your health (with STIs) or morals -- but it's jeopardized my human development.
But the problem is when one withdraws from society, and seeks only to interact in a virtual world because it is "safer". They use internet forums to alleviate their loneliness.
In psychology, logorrhea or logorrhoea (from Ancient Greek λόγος logos "word" and ῥέω rheo "to flow") is a communication disorder that causes excessive wordiness and repetitiveness, which can sometimes lead to incoherency. Logorrhea is sometimes classified as a mental illness, though it is more commonly classified as a symptom of mental illness or brain injury.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logorrhea_(psychology)
Well that person is filled with anger and hate and pointing fingers without able to see himself.
Some of of the socially skilled are serious smartasses; they are just better a hiding it and manipulating others. Lawyers and politicians come to mind, as do grifters and scam-artists. Charming. And toxic. We should all try to maximse our human capital and help others to do the same.
Yeah you're right, Pal-max, it's better to be socially arrested than actually arrested, like those with the most "social skills," i.e. sociopaths. But I don't think anybody is arresting their social development by traveling to a foreign country, unless you believe that the only social development that is real or legitimate is within the borders of the US.
Also about the video with the actor telling the story. That is a prepared act. It's great but we can't all be as charming as that in real life. That raises the bar too high. If we are acting all the time, what is left of our real selves? But this is a problem in America. People are so self-conscious, they see themselves as part of a drama constantly, meaning they are constantly aware of being judged even when they are not. In LA, everybody is walking around like they are a part in a movie. And they are constantly refining these facades and identifying themselves with these facades -- becoming alienated from their own core identity. It is like, my robot persona is interacting with your robot persona. And these personas are borrowed from the TV. There is no more Ich-Du relationship or even Ich-Es, just Es-Es.
For more, read Jean Baudrillard on the simulacrum and his book America.
I would reply to more of PhallusMaximus's comments here, but lets say I agree with 70-80%, and disagree with 20-30%. Unfortunately it is always easier to answer what we disagree on at an internet forum as opposed to what we agree on. Polyamorist is very good at answering to what he agrees on though! Like in the movie Yes Man. And kudos to him on that! But I also believe that the lack of this is at the heart of the problem, so me, you, and everyone else here probably needs to improve on this. However an internet discussion board is here to discuss things. But replying to what we disagree on, creates negative impulses as opposed to positive ones. And negative impulses creates depression and conflict.
A new topic doesn't have to be correct. It can be a devils lawyer, or even a rhetorical comedian (like Mr. Ho is sometimes, and I also make attempts at sometimes in the case of the gay guy. Which totally blew out of proportions. Not to mention the whole aid. Which is related to something else, which I won't write here), starting a discussion. Especially on an internet board. The problem arises when the discussion goes from topic to person. Much like american politics these days. And I won't go more into why that is the derail of all derails. But all I can say is that not all discussions are just 3 dimensional. Subspace for example may just be the 4th etc.
Being uneducated has also never been, nor should it ever be an obstacle in order to discuss a topic. A person is always happier when learning something new. And we can learn from everyone we discuss with. In real life, or on the internet. I discuss many of these things in several other sphere both in real life and online. Not just here. This is where empathy is the best skill we can learn. Now thinking we know everything ourselves, is always a lie. None of us do. In any field of study. So we are all uneducated even if we have post doctorate degrees. Somebody who never attended university, such as one of my real life friends knows tons more about certain things than some educated guy not being up to date. Not to mention some of the sports friends of mine knowing more than professionals. And the internet and information age is here to make information available for everyone. Reducing the www into side information of less importance, is an illusion being held up by cartels of educated people wanting to hold onto their jobs. An example of this is German workers guilds who are afraid of polish workers pressing their salaries down. Or doctors still keeping most science papers and journals hidden for the public. An unfortunate consequence of the clash between capitalism and the information society. We can also label it micro protectionism.
Yeah, I know siri, but for me I go to brothel for sex only and I do not get into illusion that they try to sell. I do agree with you that there are or more like there were some elegant or let say more like really beautiful normal girls walking into FKK main bar for just short period of time to make quick cash, there still are, but it really is rare.
Another part I agree is that empowering women in work place, to my experience, they usually perform much better because they try to prove themselves.
But for me I go to brothel for sex and fun. I do not go to brothel thinking that it is real, brothel and mongering is my hobby, not more. I do love doing it though, it is one of few thing that still get me excited, but not as much since I have been mongering ever since I was 17 or 18, so sex with beauties has been supplied to me throughout my life, so naturally, excitement level is let say little more calmer than before. I still love it and I will always be monger though.Sad to start in this business at 18 yo, same like for girls. I started after more than 25 years with 4 real girlfriends and they were all great women for me, I loved them so much, they never asked me money but were happy to make me presents. I started with Russian escorts in Paris or Milano or Torino, after my end of my world.
In FKK land, I met real beauties, most were Romanian, and one at World was really perfect for her care, her baby skin, her breathe, she wanted to be so perfect, I played with her and she ran to the mirror. I never ask for more than in room or in club, I never answered to meet a FKK girl out of club, never wanted to go to Romania, but animal sex to empty balls is not enough for me, I need spark to enjoy and I try to make girls will to please me. Looking for new spark.
I think you, me, and one or two here and there have said our peace about the simple need to develop social skills and not get lost in the illusion that leads to the arrested development that heavy mongering facilitates. To deny this, one has to personally be offended by the fact that we are a complex, social species. The mere suggestion that social prowess leads to degenerate behavior is an obvious logical fallacy. And the portrayal of the innocent shy guy is an image constantly debunked by the waves of psychologically deranged, mass shooter shy guys. This normalization of social awkwardness, the signaling of surface knowledge of a particular subject matter, and bastardization of facts taking them out of context are pretty typical behaviors that are rooted in insecurity.
Never made that connection before. But according to Fig. 12 on this report, "reliving past memories" is reportedly one of the primary coping mechanisms for loneliness, according to surveyed people in USA, UK, Japan: https://www.kff.org/report-section/loneliness-and-social-isolation-in-the-united-states-the-united-kingdom-and-japan-an-international-survey-section-1/.
With regards to being socially lazy, this rationale or thought process makes sense to me: "That WG from the last trip gave me such an amazing BJ and in less than a month I will be back in FKK land to see her again, so fuck it, no need to chase this civilian girl".
But does reliving past memories make you socially lazy, when it is three of your male friends asking you to hang out? Are you like: "Nah, man I feel a cold coming on, I don't want stay out late (because I got that FKK trip coming up next week)".
Pahllus Maximus
03-31-19, 21:36
With the usual exceptions for the <2% of kind, trustworthy good women with a brain who want to build a real life and don't worship consumer baubles or are consumed with Instagram-like / equivalent social media narcissism, if it flys, floats or phucks, rent, don't buy.
Secondly, high quality ice cream is cheaper and better that jargon spouting priesthood known as psychology / sociology, especially the ones with brain altering chemicals on sale we managed without for about the last 120,000 years since we became sentient. Add to that a couple of good, trustworthy friends and stay off drugs like alcohol and other crap. A big shaggy golden retriever is also known to bring much joy.
Long live pretty young women in their sexual prime in FKK's for our pleasure. Be glad you are a man and that we have such options to live like a prince for day and naked girls parading around. The desert for a meal of an otherwise happy balanced life.
Sad to start in this business at 18 yo, same like for girls. I started after more than 25 years with 4 real girlfriends and they were all great women for me, I loved them so much, they never asked me money but were happy to make me presents. I started with Russian escorts in Paris or Milano or Torino, after my end of my world.
In FKK land, I met real beauties, most were Romanian, and one at World was really perfect for her care, her baby skin, her breathe, she wanted to be so perfect, I played with her and she ran to the mirror. I never ask for more than in room or in club, I never answered to meet a FKK girl out of club, never wanted to go to Romania, but animal sex to empty balls is not enough for me, I need spark to enjoy and I try to make girls will to please me. Looking for new spark.Siri,
I did both till age 26 or 27, they never asked me for money, but they were not normal looking girls, they were real beauties and some were models, so even they don't ask me for cash, these relationships were really expensive even to me like birthday presents, valentine days, travelling, wining and dining almost everyday etc, so at one point in my life around when I was 26 or 27, I turned to almost full time mongering.
However, I am in good crowd, so once in a while, I still do fuck with normal beautiful girls, it is just that I do not try in that field any more due to irrationality when I can get what I want in other supplier, but here is the difference between you and me, I see women for only their youth, beauty and sex, you want more from women, I do not, I just want to fuck them while they are young and beautiful without any responsibility.
It is privileged to begin young. I don't think it is sad to start in this at early age as long as you are on consumer side, it is privileged to begin at young age because not all can begin due to financial reason and also connection // link to this world. I went to boarding school and beside its good reputation, it really is wild and crazy inside and through that world of mayhem of fun time, I was given access to this world at younger age, I began in Zurich and Geneva with escort but I know a friend who began this at age of 14 or something like that, I only wish I found this at younger age like that, but 17 or 18 is good age to begin.
It is matter of opinion, but for me, it is better to begin pleasure in life young because life is limited, amount of time given to us is limited, so why waste time? Why waste life like that? I make sure I live good life every day and I am greatly appreciating for some opportunity I was given to me and that include my among best sex life. Why waste time? If I have access to beautiful fun that is harmless.
I did not find German FKK till my late 20's though, I think I was 28 or 29 when I first found German FKK. Artemis in golden days it was.
The only annoying thing we may encounter at FKK's are when girls somehow tells us no. It can happen for all sorts of reasons. Such as them considering that you are one of the properties of a friend of them. Or that she has heard you paid another girl a bit more, and want to upsell. Or some other reasons. It is like what the fuck? I am not here for drama. I want to explore my instinctual polygamous nature and be as unfaithful as possible. Because society has told me it is wrong. And I have a kink for doing wrong things. Like breaking out of that box society tries to stretch over our heads. Nobody wants to be told what to do. Every action gets an equal and opposite counter action. That is why we get attracted to girls who tells us no. The unobtainable. Whereas a girl who comes to us ASAP and lays in our laps at an FKK is not of interest. We seek out that sexy hot bartender. Since she is off the menu. But at the same time, our mental heads want a yes after a short while. We need to get back to our hotels for a nap before the club close. LOL!
ExpatLover
04-01-19, 04:54
Sad to start in this business at 18 yo, same like for girls. I started after more than 25 years with 4 real girlfriends and they were all great women for me, I loved them so much, they never asked me money but were happy to make me presents. I started with Russian escorts in Paris or Milano or Torino, after my end of my world.
In FKK land, I met real beauties, most were Romanian, and one at World was really perfect for her care, her baby skin, her breathe, she wanted to be so perfect, I played with her and she ran to the mirror. I never ask for more than in room or in club, I never answered to meet a FKK girl out of club, never wanted to go to Romania, but animal sex to empty balls is not enough for me, I need spark to enjoy and I try to make girls will to please me. Looking for new spark.I went first time for P6 when I was 45, but after more than 15 years of mongering and probably 500+ girls, I am switching to other kind of hobbies, I drastically reduced the number of rooms and will only go with girls I consider being top. I met girls outside the clubs and went several time to Roumania with girls to visit their families just to understand a little bit more how it works. Always the same story, low income families, usually no father, low education.
By reducing the number of sessions my libido is strongly higher and on top of that I am saving a lot of cash, you can t imagine how much.
"Psychopaths often have disarming or even charming personalities. Psychopaths are very manipulative and can easily gain peoples trust. They learn to mimic emotions, despite their inability to actually feel them, and will appear normal to unsuspecting people."
"Sociopaths tend to be nervous and easily agitated. They are volatile and prone to emotional outbursts, including fits of rage. They live on the fringes of society. It is difficult but not impossible for sociopaths to form attachments with others. Many sociopaths are able to form an attachment to a particular individual or group, although they have no regard for society in general or its rules. In the eyes of others, sociopaths will appear to be very disturbed."The commonality between the two is that they both lack empathy and feel little to no guilt when hurting others, although the psychopath is considered more severe in both regards. An example of a sociopath would be mass-shooter, Elliot Rodger. Wikipedia identifies his motive as "revenge for perceived sexual and social rejection". His emotional outbursts can be found on YT. An example of a psychopath would be Hitler, who was able to inflict harm on a much larger scale, due to his advanced social skills.
It is important to note that the majority of psychopaths and sociopaths live normal and law-abiding lives. However, the reasons why they adhere to laws is different than that of the "normal person". A normal person would not go on a murderous rampage because they would not be able to endure seeing others in pain. The psychopath / sociopath would not go on a murderous rampage because the risks, in most cases, would outweigh the potential rewards. The important thing is that nobody goes on murderous rampages. Their motives for not going on these murderous rampages are less important. As a side note, psychopaths are considered to be a by-product of "nature" (underdeveloped part of the brain), whereas sociopaths are considered to be a by-product of "nurture" (childhood trauma, physical / emotional abuse).
Not everyone with advanced social skills is a psychopath, just like not everyone with underdeveloped social skills is a sociopath. My best friend growing up was the most popular, well-liked person in our school, and he certainly did not grow up to be a dictator hellbent on world domination. I envied his ability to make everyone feel at ease. He always made an effort to ensure everyone felt included. Had this been "ass-kissing" behavior, then he would have only been nice to others at his level of the social hierarchy or higher. Many of his kind gestures were done when nobody was looking (long before virtual signaling and social media). His advanced social skills allowed him to recognize people in pain, and make them feel better about themselves. He would strike up a conversation with an old lady on the bus just to brighten her day. And he would stand-up for someone who was getting bullied. I have also met many basement dwellers who, unlike Elliot Rodger, would never hurt a fly. When they offended someone, it was never deliberate, and often they were unaware that they even offended someone in the first place. They simply had poor social calibration. They pushed boundaries when they shouldn't have, for instance, taking a joke farther than they should have.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath
Who cares loneliness, social skill and so on if they don't worsen or better someone's quality of life. The bottom line for happy human life is quality of life, not loneliness, social skill and other factors which may or may not contribute to quality of life. If these factors don't affect someone's quality of life, he shouldn't care about them. If these factors worsen or better someone's quality of life, he should try to change them. But these factors don't necessarily worsen or better someone's quality of life.
In my opinion, the goal of human life should be to maximize AVERAGE quality of life in his projected lifespan (say 80). For example, a 35-year-old man robbed bank where he got several millions euro and lived next 2 years like a billionaire, then he got caught and is sentenced to life in prison without parole. Yes, he had 2-year very good quality of life, but his AVERAGE quality of life in his lifespan is miserable because he has to spend rest of his life in prison.
If loneliness, social skill and other factors worsen or better someone's average quality of life in his remaining lifespan, he should try to change them. If those factors don't affect it, he shouldn't care about them. Those factors don't necessarily affect average quality of life in someone's remaining lifespan. A hypothetical example would be: if someone only has one week to live, I don't think he would care about loneliness and social skill because they don't affect the quality of his remaining one-week life.
This topic seems to be relevant to mongers, so I am sharing my view.
I just got back from a skiing trip to Austria, with some club visits included.
I drove for 4 hours tonight, and fell asleep behind the wheel over 30 times times going at 125 km / h. In a world of free will I would have been clean dead by now. But in our little simulation here, I was not determined to die. I was determined to write this little useless report here on ISG instead. And before I exited my lane a couple of dousing times, I sensed something was wrong. Something subconscious woke me up again and again. As if I could see the future. As if my subconscious knew that also time was a lie, and that everything is predetermined. A split second from death again and again. Like Russian roulette after a party with Vito Corleone high up in the Austrian apls.Wish you had good ski, but don't you know about intense sport effects? Doctors know about. My last experience was on Thursday 21 March I woke up at 8 am, sleeping about 6 hours, warmed up, took breakfast and was ready at 10 am for my day of the year for free ride in France, in famous La Grave la Meije with Girose glacier, but unfortunately lift on top to 3200 high was closed because of wind, so impossible to reach Girose glacier and combes above Chancel lake where when you go, you don't see under, so you will have to manage because impossible to return to the top. Very frustrating, so I decided to drive 500 kms to Zurich to discover Aphrodisia, it was too late to move to go to ski in another interesting place. So I discovered Aphrodisia, disappointing casting, no wow girl seen to worth 280 for 30 mn. Beatrice ex Oase and Sharks took weight and not anymore blond. Left Aphrodisia at 9. 30 pm to drive back to Alps to sleep at 3. 30 am. Woke up on Friday at 8 am to go to free ride in 3 Valleys, great weather and snow, so Mont Vallon free ride, 4 La Saulire combes when I couldn't do 3 of them which were closed when I tried since 2015 , even gopro combe down to Meribel was closed, but I knew it was my day, so I was the only one to go on ice between rocks, at the bottom I did let ski go, to recover, back to Val Thorens where couldn't resist to Marielle Goitschel and cascades bumps, so many bumps and shocks in knees and back on this amazing day, 88% in Courchevel grand couloir combe, but I knew I broke my body, so I decide to drive to GT, more than 1000 kms through Switzerland at night. How is it possible? When you can hardly breathe because you legs and back are full pain, then pain will reach your head, but you can drive all night even driving like a snail in Switzerland is exhausting, but you can't sleep, why? Because of all adrenaline you made, a real drug to feel good even pain everywhere and you can t sleep. On the other hand, when I find a great girl I enjoy, when I don t work on her, I relax and micro sleep when she works on me, pressure falling. When I climb with heart in red zone for hours, same, impossible to sleep after. With adrenaline, you feel so good in your body, even sometimes I would like to forget pains which are exhausting, but passions are stronger. Why I sleep only few hours.
Who cares loneliness, social skill and so on if they don't worsen or better someone's quality of life.Very well written post! I think we agree 100% on this one! Just discussing it seems to have been a big derail by one or two people here. I don't know what they are trying to say, but discussing it is like focusing on breathing during an exercise routine. Quite the boring exercise. It is supposed to flow naturally.
Siri,
I did both till age 26 or 27, they never asked me for money, but they were not normal looking girls, they were real beauties and some were models, so even they don't ask me for cash, these relationships were really expensive even to me like birthday presents, valentine days, travelling, wining and dining almost everyday etc, so at one point in my life around when I was 26 or 27, I turned to almost full time mongering.
However, I am in good crowd, so once in a while, I still do fuck with normal beautiful girls, it is just that I do not try in that field any more due to irrationality when I can get what I want in other supplier, but here is the difference between you and me, I see women for only their youth, beauty and sex, you want more from women, I do not, I just want to fuck them while they are young and beautiful without any responsibility.
It is privileged to begin young. I don't think it is sad to start in this at early age as long as you are on consumer side, it is privileged to begin at young age because not all can begin due to financial reason and also connection // link to this world. I went to boarding school and beside its good reputation, it really is wild and crazy inside and through that world of mayhem of fun time, I was given access to this world at younger age, I began in Zurich and Geneva with escort but I know a friend who began this at age of 14 or something like that, I only wish I found this at younger age like that, but 17 or 18 is good age to begin..As say girls, we are very different, not the faintest interest for me to fuck a piece of meat even pretty, but I enjoyed on last Friday at LR my ex who needed to tell me: for my respect for you, I refused, I lost money for you, a usually not so busy WG losing money for you, I find this interesting furthermore when no room together since 5 months, same than at World on January 2015, my fav came for me on Wednesday night while Wengen and Kitzbuel, she made 200 for our 2 rooms, had to pay 95 for entry, working from 7 pm to 4 am, I apologized about this but she said no problem and returned. I much prefer the woman side, I look for this, behind some WGs, can touch the woman, these ones are interesting for me.
Who cares loneliness, social skill and so on if they don't worsen or better someone's quality of life.
This topic seems to be relevant to mongers, so I am sharing my view.Well said, but they seem to be lonely with limited social skill, so they do. Other wise, they would not bring it up attacking others for writing here on internet sex forum while they do it themselves.
The difference is that, I write here about mongering related topic on sex forum because I can only talk about mongering on internet forum like this due to anonymity.
On the other hand, they write about social skill and loneliness here on sex forum because they cannot talk about that to their real time friends because they don't have any, I mean why do they write about social skill and loneliness on internet sex forum, I mean this is sex forum right?
Plus, there is a person with few accounts here, now writing with different handle name to previous account who began talking about loneliness and social skill and human connection on this sex forum, I mean it is insane LOL.
Polyamorist
04-02-19, 01:17
That is why we get attracted to girls who tells us no. The unobtainable. Whereas a girl who comes to us ASAP and lays in our laps at an FKK is not of interest. We seek out that sexy hot bartender. Since she is off the menu. But at the same time, our mental heads want a yes after a short while. Pistons, I was thinking about this today after banging a slim princess type of 20. It was quite fun even though she gave me the vibe she wasn't 100% into me.
They say the greatest happiness comes from the rewards we have earned from our hard work. But there is also a thrill we get from the unexpected, in particular the things we don't deserve. The cheat code in the video game. The trade we put no thought into that unexpectedly gives a 1000% return. Now if a woman can convince us that she is way too good for us but that she has to fuck us anyway, that is a special feeling! I suspect that is why so many girls in Europe play the princess, and why so many guys fall for them. Following this line of reasoning, it is the man with an inferiority complex who stands to gain the most pleasure from sex because to him nearly every woman is a goddess compared to his own unworthy self. He is the lucky masochist.
Personally I don't go for the princess type as a rule. I see too many girls putting on airs whose looks and intelligence clearly do not justify it, so it ends up seeming like a crass bluff. But I feel enough to understand the impulse in other guys.
As say girls, we are very different, not the faintest interest for me to fuck a piece of meat even pretty, but I enjoyed on last Friday at LR my ex who needed to tell me: for my respect for you, I refused, I lost money for you, a usually not so busy WG losing money for you, I find this interesting furthermore when no room together since 5 months, same than at World on January 2015, my fav came for me on Wednesday night while Wengen and Kitzbuel, she made 200 for our 2 rooms, had to pay 95 for entry, working from 7 pm to 4 am, I apologized about this but she said no problem and returned. I much prefer the woman side, I look for this, behind some WGs, can touch the woman, these ones are interesting for me.As I mentioned before, it is each their own and if you seek more than lust and sexual fantasies in FKK, it is good for you and I am happy that you are happy there at FKK with your style of use.
But for me, I do not like any drama, annoying process or problem, I like sex with no string attached or any responsibility, so I use FKK just for sex and lust, so as long as I can fuck many nice looking girls per day, I am not into any dialogue or story with FKK girls, I prefer to keep my relation with FKK girls just sex and lust. Sometimes, we exchange contacts and they send short messages, I reply mildly, but I only see these short messages as their way of marketing, so I may come back to them. Well, I will as long as they remain young and beautiful next time I see them at FKK.
I am fully aware that FKK is type of brothel and girls in there are prostitute, so for me they are there for sex and that is it, nothing less, nothing more. Now, some of these girls are really warm hearted and even smart, and I do have some respect for some of them, but what happen in FKK stay in FKK, and I never took the relation to outside or seriously.
It amuse me how you talk about some of the girls you had in FKK like it was a dream and I do the same thing, but for me it is sex related thing that are engraved in my brain, I do look back and think about many beautiful young girls who provided me best sexual memories and fantasies and now they are retired and gone from industry, it was good sexual memories with them and there are more to come, but with new young beautiful girls, this is good thing about FKK or mongering, every year is new door for me, new door to new heaven, and it is guaranteed that I fuck new young beautiful girls every year ever since I was 17 or 18 and it will be so as long as I live.
Some mongers seems to have dilemma to be monger and they are bit lost confusing social skill, human connection with mongering, it has no relation. Mongering is just for sexual connection and has nothing to do with social skill or human connection, you do that with friends or family or pet. Once you are pro monger, you are happy everyday because at least in area of lust, which is important part of life, you are secure to be fulfilled, I am never frustrated because for me to fuck beautiful girl, it is so easy and my record of fucking beautiful girls out stand most men alive and I will keep on fucking new beautiful stunner girls every year, I always have, I always will because I am pro monger.
I understand that this is the "Lounge and chat area" thread, but still, given the number of Psych 101 Lessons we are getting here for last few weeks, should we request Admin to change the name of this thread to something like "Mongering Psych" or to add a new thread for Psych lessons and discussions?
Even in real life lounges, do you guys chat about psychology this much?
Steve 9696
04-02-19, 02:21
I understand that this is the "Lounge and chat area" thread, but still, given the number of Psych 101 Lessons we are getting here for last few weeks, should we request Admin to change the name of this thread to something like "Mongering Psych" or to add a new thread for Psych lessons and discussions?
Even in real life lounges, do you guys chat about psychology this much? 😁😁+1.
This used to be a place I could drop in and enjoy any variety of discussion about sex. Now a small cadre of guys have single handedly coopted it and destroyed it. I no longer bother to visit and that is a real shame because it used to be like a bar / lounge where guys hang out virtually together. Now it's like going to the doctor. It was bearable for a few days but it's just become the norm now. . Now it's just sad and gone.
Wish you had good ski, but don't you know about intense sport effects? Doctors know about. My last experience was on Thursday 21 March I woke up at 8 am, sleeping about 6 hours, warmed up, took breakfast and was ready at 10 am for my day of the year for free ride in France, in famous La Grave la Meije with Girose glacier, but unfortunately lift on top to 3200 high was closed because of wind, so impossible to reach Girose glacier and combes above Chancel lake where when you go, you don't see under, so you will have to manage because impossible to return to the top. Very frustrating, so I decided to drive 500 kms to Zurich to discover Aphrodisia, it was too late to move to go to ski in another interesting place. So I discovered Aphrodisia, disappointing casting, no wow girl seen to worth 280 for 30 mn. Beatrice ex Oase and Sharks took weight and not anymore blond. Left Aphrodisia at 9. 30 pm to drive back to Alps to sleep at 3. 30 am. Woke up on Friday at 8 am to go to free ride in 3 Valleys, great weather and snow, so Mont Vallon free ride, 4 La Saulire combes when I couldn't do 3 of them which were closed when I tried since 2015 , even gopro combe down to Meribel was closed, but I knew it was my day, so I was the only one to go on ice between rocks, at the bottom I did let ski go, to recover, back to Val Thorens where couldn't resist to Marielle Goitschel and cascades bumps, so many bumps and shocks in knees and back on this amazing day, 88% in Courchevel grand couloir combe, but I knew I broke my body, so I decide to drive to GT, more than 1000 kms through Switzerland at night. How is it possible? When you can hardly breathe because you legs and back are full pain, then pain will reach your head, but you can drive all night even driving like a snail in Switzerland is exhausting, but you can't sleep, why? Because of all adrenaline you made, a real drug to feel good even pain everywhere and you can t sleep. On the other hand, when I find a great girl I enjoy, when I don t work on her, I relax and micro sleep when she works on me, pressure falling. When I climb with heart in red zone for hours, same, impossible to sleep after. With adrenaline, you feel so good in your body, even sometimes I would like to forget pains which are exhausting, but passions are stronger. Why I sleep only few hours.So during such weekend you exercise in Swiss mountains and you Sex-ercise in nrw regions at FKK LOL!
Where do you sleep during such combined weekend? Do you carry tent in your car or something? Or you can sleep in your car somehow like it is big enough SUV to sleep arguably comfortable?
Wish you had good ski, but don't you know about intense sport effects?.I was just at Nassfeld because of proximity to Wellcum / Andiamo. But weather was looking grim just before I arrived. So I had backup plans on driving up to either Kitchbuhl or Kaiser Brixental in case the skiing conditions were better up there, or into the italian dolomites and Sella Ronda / Kronplatz / Cortina in case conditions there were better.
But I was lucky, and it snowed 50 cm the day before I arrived, so I had 3 fantastic days of skiing in Nassfeld. It exhausted me quite a bit however, so I took 4th day off. And on the Saturday when I tried to return and went snowboard instead, the temperature had gone up a bit much. So mid day it was already a bit slushy. Sunday it was 22 degrees down in the valley, so better to relax in the sun at Wellcum than hitting slushy slopes. That is an over 20 degree temperature change in 5 days.
It is too bad with french P6 laws. The resorts in France looks really good with especially The 3 Valleys, Tignes, Grand Massif and more. And the border resorts going into Italy like Sestriere and La Rosiere / La Thuile (last of which some Italian guy at Wellcum hyped up a bit for great views). But travel distance and flights for me blows in regards to the french alps. Plus the swizz FKKs are a bit on the expensive side.
I would rather consider a trip to western tirol then and the resorts there, and hit circolo passion for apres ski as a change of pace. St. Anton / Arlberg, Solden / Hochgurgl, Ischgl, Serfaus / Fiss. And I've been to Zillertal a few times, so leaving that out. There is plenty to choose from!
Who cares loneliness, social skill and so on if they don't worsen or better someone's quality of life. The bottom line for happy human life is quality of life, not loneliness, social skill and other factors.I have yet to meet a high quality of life person who is lonely and has no social skills. Your scenario doesn't seem to be possible, at the least, not common.
Many here seem to consider "loneliness" or "poor social skills" a negative label. I do not believe these labels should be stigmatized, except in cases where they lead to extreme bitterness about life. As I said loneliness is extremely common, especially amongst younger millennials. It is a fact of modern life. You or someone you know will suffer from it. Loneliness even affects people who have many friends and are successful, rich, and famous. For instance, I do not think the Rock, Brad Pitt or Matthew Perry have "weak minds".
https://www.dailyedge.ie/dwayne-johnson-opens-up-about-struggle-with-depression-3936001-Apr2018/
"I reached a point where I didnt want to do a thing or go anywhere. I was crying constantly."
"We all go through the sludge/shit and depression never discriminates. Took me a long time to realize it, but the key is to not be afraid to open up. Especially us dudes have a tendency to keep it in. Youre not alone."
http://www.srjnews.com/brad-pitt-reveals-he-is-lonely-in-an-emotional-interview-to-gq-style/6161/
https://www.socialworkdegreeguide.com/30-famous-people-alive-today-battled-depression/
Perry was battling severe depression that ultimately led to debilitating addiction issues. Perry, who calls his time on Friends the worst and loneliest years of his life, spent the better part of a decade in and out of rehab for depression, drinking, and opiates. It was only when his costars began to catch on, and the media began reporting his troubles, that Perry says he finally began his slow path to recovery. As for people with underdeveloped social skills, Johnny Depp comes immediately to mind. He has opened up about his social anxiety. All telltale signs are there (slouched shoulders, mumbles, rarely does interviews). Most people would not label him a "loser" in life.
Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson
Many here seem to consider "loneliness" or "poor social skills" a negative label. I do not believe these labels should be stigmatized, except in cases where they lead to extreme bitterness about life. As I said loneliness is extremely common, especially amongst younger millennials. It is a fact of modern life. You or someone you know will suffer from it. Loneliness even affects people who have many friends and are successful, rich, and famous. For instance, I do not think the Rock, Brad Pitt or Matthew Perry have "weak minds".
As for people with underdeveloped social skills, Johnny Depp comes immediately to mind. He has opened up about his social anxiety. All telltale signs are there (slouched shoulders, mumbles, rarely does interviews). Most people would not label him a "loser" in life.Yeah, I keep saying it. Instead of being personally offended, it's better to admit a personal flaw so that you can improve. Instead, you get people trying to normalize social awkwardness while demonizing social prowess and claiming that loneliness does not infer lower quality of life. It just takes a little bit of humility and willingness to accept a challenge. My only theory to explain so much resistance to an idea so logical and common place is that years of mongering makes people lazy, unwilling to put in hard work for large reward.
+1.
This used to be a place I could drop in and enjoy any variety of discussion about sex. Now a small cadre of guys have single handedly coopted it and destroyed it. I no longer bother to visit and that is a real shame because it used to be like a bar / lounge where guys hang out virtually together. Now it's like going to the doctor. It was bearable for a few days but it's just become the norm now. . Now it's just sad and gone.Yeah, I agree. This used to be one of my favorite threads on the site, but no longer. Too many philosopher-monger kings. Oh well, maybe again some other day!
So during such weekend you exercise in Swiss mountains and you Sex-ercise in nrw regions at FKK LOL!
Where do you sleep during such combined weekend? Do you carry tent in your car or something? Or you can sleep in your car somehow like it is big enough SUV to sleep arguably comfortable?No I did ski in central french Alps on Wednesday, drove to Zurich Aphrodisia and back on Thursday, did ski again in central french Alps on Friday and drove to GT on Friday night. From Tuesday evening to Saturday, I slept about 16 hours on 4 nights, skiing 2 days, driving 2000 kms. My meaning was with adrenaline, you can t sleep. When climbing on Summer, after so intense efforts, sometimes my heart go to tachycardie after efforts, then very difficult to control heart rhythm and then you are very afraid to feel asleep, have to breathe very slowly and very deeply to try to control. Wish to recover for next week for my extreme free ride in Verbier and la Grave.
As I mentioned before, it is each their own and if you seek more than lust and sexual fantasies in FKK, it is good for you and I am happy that you are happy there at FKK with your style of use.
But for me, I do not like any drama, annoying process or problem, I like sex with no string attached or any responsibility, so I use FKK just for sex and lust, so as long as I can fuck many nice looking girls per day, I am not into any dialogue or story with FKK girls, I prefer to keep my relation with FKK girls just sex and lust. Sometimes, we exchange contacts and they send short messages, I reply mildly, but I only see these short messages as their way of marketing, so I may come back to them. Well, I will as long as they remain young and beautiful next time I see them at FKK.
I am fully aware that FKK is type of brothel and girls in there are prostitute, so for me they are there for sex and that is it, nothing less, nothing more. Now, some of these girls are really warm hearted and even smart, and I do have some respect for some of them, but what happen in FKK stay in FKK, and I never took the relation to outside or seriously..When no spark, sex is so boring, when most of WGs have low level for sexuality, even they are animal fucked many times, not my way for sex, I enjoy how girls behave for me.
Many here seem to consider "loneliness" or "poor social skills" a negative label. I do not believe these labels should be stigmatized, except in cases where they lead to extreme bitterness about life. As I said loneliness is extremely common, especially amongst younger millennials. It is a fact of modern life. You or someone you know will suffer from it. Loneliness even affects people who have many friends and are successful, rich, and famous. For instance, I do not think the Rock, Brad Pitt or Matthew Perry have "weak minds".
As for people with underdeveloped social skills, Johnny Depp comes immediately to mind. He has opened up about his social anxiety. All telltale signs are there (slouched shoulders, mumbles, rarely does interviews). Most people would not label him a "loser" in life.Something I really don't understand in brothels, is some guys seem more interested by some other guys than by girls, or seem to look to find friends in brothels. Really not the best places to find friends, only pretty girls interest me, I prefer to stay lonely and concentrated to try to find beauties. Not so easy.
Of course, some Germans visit to meet, to drink, to sauna, not for girls, but I'm not German yet.
TankTank123
04-02-19, 22:48
She would like the ability to be and possibly walk around naked (especially near pool, saunas and outdoor areas); sex with women in the club (both active and watching me) - I know this is lady specific; she would like to possibly have sex with another male guest (no exchange of money) - I know this may not go over well with the ladies in the club so it is not a requirement. So on to my general questions, I will ask the specific questions after we narrow down where we want to go.
Is there a recommended FKK in the Frankfurt area that is more couple friendly than others? Are there specific days that are better?
The same question for Germany as a whole- is there a FKK or Sauna Club that is considered to be the best for couples?I have seen couples in FKK World, not far from Frankfurt, quite a few times. It is probably the best option during this period as it has a large indoor pool, saunas and jacuzzi. I have seen the woman walking around naked in the downstairs pool area and downstairs lounge and bar, but not in the main bar upstairs.
If you want to try to bring another man in, maybe you can try that in warmer weather in one of the outdoor huts which are very discreet. Indeed a few years ago, I was invited by a couple to join them! (but I did not as it was not my kinda thing).
I read below that someone recommended Babylon. While I have seen a couple there once before, as it is less spacious than World, and as the boss Eddie is often present, I suspect you will find it restrictive.
Steve 9696
04-03-19, 00:55
For those that would rather read about encounters and sex let me know if you want me to drop some field reports here. Been a good Q1. Can drop Q1 FRs on Graz, Linz, Zurich, Shanghai, Tokyo or Taipei. Anyone care to know what goes on rest of world? Just pick your poison and I will serve it up!
Also happy to do a custom post summarizing those venues. Or thoughts on London, Brazil, Russia or other such. Just let me know what interests you. This is my second life!
For those that would rather read about encounters and sex let me know if you want me to drop some field reports here. Been a good Q1. Can drop Q1 FRs on Graz, Linz, Zurich, Shanghai, Tokyo or Taipei. Anyone care to know what goes on rest of world? Just pick your poison and I will serve it up!
Also happy to do a custom post summarizing those venues. Or thoughts on London, Brazil, Russia or other such. Just let me know what interests you. This is my second life!Please please share all of your world experiences, man. Thanks in advance.
I'm sick of all these Psychology posts.
I was just at Nassfeld because of proximity to Wellcum / Andiamo. But weather was looking grim just before I arrived. So I had backup plans on driving up to either Kitchbuhl or Kaiser Brixental in case the skiing conditions were better up there, or into the italian dolomites and Sella Ronda / Kronplatz / Cortina in case conditions there were better.
But I was lucky, and it snowed 50 cm the day before I arrived, so I had 3 fantastic days of skiing in Nassfeld. It exhausted me quite a bit however, so I took 4th day off. And on the Saturday when I tried to return and went snowboard instead, the temperature had gone up a bit much. So mid day it was already a bit slushy. Sunday it was 22 degrees down in the valley, so better to relax in the sun at Wellcum than hitting slushy slopes. That is an over 20 degree temperature change in 5 days.
It is too bad with french P6 laws. The resorts in France looks really good with especially The 3 Valleys, Tignes, Grand Massif and more. And the border resorts going into Italy like Sestriere and La Rosiere / La Thuile (last of which some Italian guy at Wellcum hyped up a bit for great views). But travel distance and flights for me blows in regards to the french alps. Plus the swizz FKKs are a bit on the expensive side.
I would rather consider a trip to western tirol then and the resorts there, and hit circolo passion for apres ski as a change of pace. St. Anton / Arlberg, Solden / Hochgurgl, Ischgl, Serfaus / Fiss. And I've been to Zillertal a few times, so leaving that out. There is plenty to choose from!I visit Wellcum only because I drive from Stelvio to Zoncolan, 5 hours driving through Dolomiti to climb 10 kms, even Italians who are passionate for sports, say I m crazy for passion.
Not too far from Wellcum, Cortina is really wonderful in Dolomiti. When You push over limits, then, if You make adrenaline, help You not to sleep, You feel tired, can be even exhausted, can feel pains because of shocks or injuries, but really difficult to sleep. Then You have more time for life, when You sleep only very few hours, even doctors say better to sleep at least 7 hours, but then only 17 hours in a day.
I have seen couples in FKK World, not far from Frankfurt, quite a few times. It is probably the best option during this period as it has a large indoor pool, saunas and jacuzzi. I have seen the woman walking around naked in the downstairs pool area and downstairs lounge and bar, but not in the main bar upstairs.
If you want to try to bring another man in, maybe you can try that in warmer weather in one of the outdoor huts which are very discreet. Indeed a few years ago, I was invited by a couple to join them! (but I did not as it was not my kinda thing).
I read below that someone recommended Babylon. While I have seen a couple there once before, as it is less spacious than World, and as the boss Eddie is often present, I suspect you will find it restrictive.Thanks Tank, World is indeed closer. While I have not been to World in quite some time, I have the impression (from the forum) that perhaps it has gone down hill in its care and upkeep? Bab was indeed recommended here and that's what caused me to post there. Bab website implies couple permissiveness:
"Open minded women who like to have fun without payment. And men too. Are welcome to find partners in the FKK-club, if that turns you on. Some couples prefer to mix business with pleasure, in which case the general rules for our female guests apply" & "Private couples in our club are welcome to indulge in some sexual practices that are not permitted by law to sex workers and guests who expect compensation for their activities. " Thanks for the tip. Do I have an incorrect impression on the current state of affairs at World?
For those that would rather read about encounters and sex let me know if you want me to drop some field reports here. Been a good Q1. Can drop Q1 FRs on Graz, Linz, Zurich, Shanghai, Tokyo or Taipei. Anyone care to know what goes on rest of world? Just pick your poison and I will serve it up!
Also happy to do a custom post summarizing those venues. Or thoughts on London, Brazil, Russia or other such. Just let me know what interests you. This is my second life!Second Life? I recall when I studied abroad and lots of people there were playing this mmo with some adult sex twist. I think it was called Second Life!
Not really too interested in that game, but if you got some info on the real world, shoot!
Steve 9696
04-03-19, 17:13
Please please share all of your world experiences, man. Thanks in advance.
I'm sick of all these Psychology posts.OK I will start farthest from home with an overview of the AP scene — at least the countries I know, followed by FRs from the recent ones — one per venue unless otherwise requested. So tonight look for overview and a Shanghai FR.
No I did ski in central french Alps on Wednesday, drove to Zurich Aphrodisia and back on Thursday, did ski again in central french Alps on Friday and drove to GT on Friday night. From Tuesday evening to Saturday, I slept about 16 hours on 4 nights, skiing 2 days, driving 2000 kms. My meaning was with adrenaline, you can t sleep. When climbing on Summer, after so intense efforts, sometimes my heart go to tachycardie after efforts, then very difficult to control heart rhythm and then you are very afraid to feel asleep, have to breathe very slowly and very deeply to try to control. Wish to recover for next week for my extreme free ride in Verbier and la Grave.That is hard core schedule LOL.
Well usually for me.
First night: Fly into Frankfurt, I arrive around 7 pm, I go to straight to palace from airport to hit 8 pm shift girls. So palace first night. I sleep at Frankfurt.
Second day: Morning like 8 AM, I take morning train to Dusseldorf, then change train to venlo, go to GT, I arrive at GT like around noon, I stay there till 6 PM. At 6 PM I leave GT to head to Duss to go to oceans for night shift. So GT during day and oceans at night for second day. I sleep at Duss. So GT and oceans second day.
Third day: I wake up and go to GT again, I stay till like 4 pm to decide if lineup is good to stat in GT till later or leave now and if leaving, then I head back to Frankfurt at around 5 pm. I am back in Frankfurt at 8 pm ish, then I attend palace for night shift. I sleep at Frankfurt.
Fourth day: I take little rest during day from fucking and it is no point going to palace from daytime due to low line up, so I go eat nice lunch, take a walk and jogging by river Maine in Frankfurt etc. Then around 4 pm, I go to palace. I sleep at Frankfurt.
Fifth day: I also chill during day like a day before and then go to palace at 4 pm ish.
Sixth day: I am flying out of Frankfurt to go back home.
I do all this totally stoned on legal herbs LOL! So it is more downer for me than upper adrenaline LOL, I tell you it is so funky to walk around Frankfurt station at midnight totally stoned surrounded by bunch of odd looking people you find at late at night in HBF LOL! It is like fear and loathing in Las Vegas LOL! So I cannot drive due to my state of THC LOL.
I usually do trips like above 1 to 3 trips per year depending on my schedule and feeling, but lately, due to line up, I feel lazy to go, but I force myself to make at least one trip per year every year. I could throw in Oase in there, but I went once and it was too much upsell club, but I will give it another shot because now that I think about it, I did find two stunners there. Sharks I tried few time, I think 3 times, line up never satisfied me at all.
When no spark, sex is so boring, when most of WGs have low level for sexuality, even they are animal fucked many times, not my way for sex, I enjoy how girls behave for me.For me, as long as they look beautiful, it is all good, rest is up to me and cash to bring out the performance from her. Most girls are nice in FKK with my experience. I can only count with one hand the session that was not good enough for me, but with those girls I had to cut the session at 30 min, but I still make sure I cum by hardcore doggy banging.
TankTank123
04-03-19, 23:24
Thanks Tank, World is indeed closer. While I have not been to World in quite some time, I have the impression (from the forum) that perhaps it has gone down hill in its care and upkeep? Bab was indeed recommended here and that's what caused me to post there. Bab website implies couple permissiveness:
Do I have an incorrect impression on the current state of affairs at World?Half correct. In upkeep, World has actually improved! Many of the rooms have been renovated, and the rest will be progressively completed. Quite a few new platforms, and bush-surrounded places built for sex in the garden. Lounge, furniture, and one of the saunas had also been renovated. And there is that treehouse that is very nice in summer. It has a huge bed large enough for 4 persons. I imagine you and partner should be able to entice others to join you there.
However, the number of girls have shrunk to 25-40 on weekdays and 40-60 on Saturdays. But it it still about 50% more than Babylon on the corresponding days. Since you already have a partner, this should not be of great concern.
Also note that the couples I have seen in World many times were all mature ones, whereas the couple I saw once at Babylon were young. As mentioned by another writer in the Babylon thread the girl there did walk around naked, and looked pretty such that, for a while, I thought she was a WG and almost approached her!
Steve 9696
04-04-19, 03:26
As promised, here is some perspective from other parts of the globe.
In AP I've been to most of the main countries. They all have different sex rules and laws so the scene is decidedly different in each. Let's start with Thailand. Last visit was two years ago but I don't think it's changed much. My exposure is Bangkok and Phuket. Bangkok of course is the most developed venue so let's focus there.
First of all prostitution in Thailand is theoretically illegal and yet it is clearly not enforced. In fact one of the funniest things is when you check in at the hotel they give you this little card that says "If you bring a girl back to the room overnight, she is not entitled to the free breakfast. " But it's illegal of course. Not! LOL.
There of course are many different places to get P4 P but let's talk the fish bowl and the Gogos. The fish bowl is a uniquely Asian concept found in several countries. Usually fronted as a large masage place there is no doubt what goes on here — and it is unique!
When you come in, sometimes with a lounge area where you can have a whiskey while you ogle the girls. All the girls are behind a big pane of glass and wearing numbers. No I am not kidding. You literally are window shopping and when you decide you say "I want number 325" and off you go! Pro tip — if they have any tits at all they will show cleavage. High neck dress means flat as a board. Not that there's anything wrong with that. My little flat chested Japanese pixie about fucked my dick off.
The other go to venue is the Gogos. Some guys don't like it but I totally love it. If you go to Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza there will literally be 20+ bars and Gogos with ten girls outside trying to get you to come inside and inside another 20+ girls doing the Bangkok shuffle in various states of undress and hoping you will take them home. They too generally wear numbers.
Buy a lady drink or two to establish some cuddle / grope time and check out the chemistry. Then pick your poison, agree the price pay the bar fine and off you go. Mileage can vary quite a bit. Clearly you will get suck and fuck with BBBJ a coin toss. Most guys say discuss specifics up front before you agree price. This is similar to FKK advice. Price will likely be $50-75 for short time or twice that for overnight. At the hotel the girl will have to check in at the desk and leave her ID with the clerk. This is intimidating first time, but It's all very legit despite being illegal. LOL.
Now my intent tonight was to write about all the different countries but as I write the first one, I find there are so many good details to share. Let me summarize Korea and Taiwan quickly -- do not go there for P4 P. Tough nut for foreigners to crack. I managed a happy ending in Korea but was able to crack the Taiwan nut more effectively. I will do an FR on that. In the meantime I promised a Shanghai FR so that is up next.
Steve 9696
04-04-19, 03:41
So China and Shanghai are very interesting. A few years ago it had a great scene. But as they have tried to emerge as a world power, they are trying to clean up their P4 P scene. Someone needs to tell them the Germans are a world power and have great P4 P -- don't be lame US wannabe Puritans -- follow the Germans and their world-beatin FKK philosophy!
But so much for dreaming. They have shut down all the saunas (FKK like) and anything remaining has moved underground and seedy. Fortunately there are two good places left to get P4 P and that is Judy's and Manhattan. These are competing bars about two blocks apart -- same format -- a zillion awesome looking Vietnamese girls who all want to fuck you for money. It is quite the experience for most guys, me included. You go in and 40 girls have eyes on you and several will approach and try to seduce you. Enclosed is the FR from our second night. We did hotties from Judy's our first night. Damage tends to be $200 short time and $400 overnight. (P.S. Get used to seeing high prices in my AP FRs -- Germany, Thailand and Brazil are all sub $100 venues. Everywhere else I've been its $200/ HR and up.).
My wingman Chris and I get out on the town around 915 tonight and head to the Blind Pig for late dinner. You really must try their truffle Mac and cheese. Very very good. Tonight we think we'll just head straight to Manhattan. We just prefer the vibe and it's less loud. The plan is to try to hold out as long as possible and prolong the buffet experience, which is like no other.
We roll into Manhattan around 1030 and of course their are 40+ Viet hotties to choose from. To my taste, Manhattan has a better line up than Judy's. And WOW what a lot of great choices.
We are given half a table near the front (the other seat taken by a Chinese guy with his nose in his phone — what the fuck is wrong with you dude? And we survey the action. I am pretty tall and especially by AP standards so I can scan pretty much the whole room. There are easily 20 girls I would take. But my mission tonight is to find one tall enough to DFK while in Mish.
I get just a glimpse of one who is one table over but something about her face lights me up. So I keep glancing over but she is always obscured by her petite friend. Chris meanwhile has his eye on the friend. I don't know how he knew just from a tiny bit of profile but he says "She's the one".
He catches my girls eye and the two girls come over — they are friends. Somehow they know who goes with whom and we very quickly pair up. I love the look of my girl but I must say Chris's girl is a full on 10 in the face. And so petite — she is maybe 5"1 in 5" heels! What a cutie. And I love my girl so it looks like a plan. And she's tall enough that the Mish-kissing mission is likely to be successful.
My girl asks me what I like to do in the room and since she asked I say I like kissing and having my balls licked. She says "I can do that. I will do whatever you want!" OK works for me! Off we go.
Up in the room it is interesting. I've read other reports about girls who need warming up, but never quite experienced it. Liang is this kind of girl. At the room we are face to face and I go to kiss her and I get kind of the corner of her mouth. Huh?
We shower separately and when I get out she is under the covers. I kind of pull her out and on top of me. Again we are face to face and its a little peck. I think WTF? Oh no.
But wait. There's more.
She starts working her way down to a very nice and satisfying BBBJ. She tries to go a little short on it but I ask her to keep going and she complies. But eventually she wants to get me inside her to which I do not object.
She climbs on cowgirl and is really tight. I only go about halfway in, but with a little in and out she relaxes and I go balls deep. Nice! We do CG for a while (I could CG forever- its pleasant but I am not going to cum) and she now really WANTS me.
She pulls me towards her to a seated position while still fully inside her and then fully over to mish. Haven't done that little trick since college and it feels good to know I still can. And Mish is GREAT. She is very worked up by now and starts kissing me passionately. And I mean real fuck-me-baby kisses. I mean wow. I had never transformed a girl like this before and it felt awesome — both the fucking and kissing, but also just knowing I had made her sexually ravenous. It was intoxicating.
Well the Mish-kissing-and-pounding is just fabulous. She is eating me alive and I am wearing a $5 Okamoto 01 (tho I find it similar to 02 in feeling) and after enjoying it immensely I let er rip. Wow. Feels great. Well she is not done. She encourages me to continue to fuck her hard for another 5 minutes — clearly for her own pleasure at this point. And when she is done she breaks into a great smile that seems genuinely happy. Sigh. I done good!
We exchange WeChat and some brief hugs and then a final passionate DFK when she heads out. Chris has finished same time so he drops over and compares notes. His girl was great too. And we plot to go out again — the night is young and we can sleep in. Continued in part two.
Steve 9696,
Awesome field reports, very informative as well as well written.
Thank you very much! Even though I might get jealous of your luck to have so much fun experiences, please keep on doing them and keep on FRs coming. 😄😄
For me, as long as they look beautiful, it is all good, rest is up to me and cash to bring out the performance from her. Most girls are nice in FKK with my experience. I can only count with one hand the session that was not good enough for me, but with those girls I had to cut the session at 30 min, but I still make sure I cum by hardcore doggy banging.You are able or not to make girls being nice for You, but not enough. At LR, a pretty face who was my first LR 2019, came again many times after our 1h30 discovery, but despite her pretty face, smiling, kissing, doing her best, really lovely, but real lack of sensuality, so not interesting for love in bed. I think she understood if they talked about me with her fire in bed friend. Hardcore banging depend on your size if you don't want to kill girls, I m not interested, I prefer love in bed and repeat with same girl when she is good for me. In 60/70's, it was sex drug and rock and roll and Janice, Jimi and Jim died at only 27, Kurt Cobain in 90's also at 27, for me this is sport, adrenaline and pleasure, also listening rock music and at double age, I still improve for free ride and my climbing times every summer. Heard a funny song at LR "don t want a small dick man" , laughed with a girl about, was happy fire in bed told me I was not too big for her, among so many small pussies.
TaninoLulz
04-04-19, 22:04
Will April be a bad time for a FKK holiday because of the orthodox Easter? Or girls will be present anyway? Some of you have experience about this period?
You are able or not to make girls being nice for You, but not enough. At LR, a pretty face who was my first LR 2019, came again many times after our 1h30 discovery, but despite her pretty face, smiling, kissing, doing her best, really lovely, but real lack of sensuality, so not interesting for love in bed. I think she understood if they talked about me with her fire in bed friend. Hardcore banging depend on your size if you don't want to kill girls, I m not interested, I prefer love in bed and repeat with same girl when she is good for me. In 60/70's, it was sex drug and rock and roll and Janice, Jimi and Jim died at only 27, Kurt Cobain in 90's also at 27, for me this is sport, adrenaline and pleasure, also listening rock music and at double age, I still improve for free ride and my climbing times every summer. Heard a funny song at LR "don t want a small dick man" , laughed with a girl about, was happy fire in bed told me I was not too big for her, among so many small pussies.Yes Sir, but I am in brothel, so I do not want to try too hard to make girls being nice for me LOL, it is more like their job because I pay, but I am nice and polite to them though like I am nice and polite in any shops till someone [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off, then I turn my king dick switch on LOL. I do agree that not just money, but being nice and looking clean can take you far in FKK, but money more LOL and I pay, so I do not want to try so hard in FKK, it is brothel.
I was never fun of LR beside service is outstandingly good for all girls I went in living room comparison to other FKK, but stunner level in line up is quite limited in living room. I liked Rose, I think that was her name for exotic sector of my taste with fit spot body, I originally thought she is half white, and half something since she is bit tanned, but she turns out to be Hungarian and no bullshit that she is Hungarian, she served my exotic lust area. I also remember two blonde, natural blonde Romanians there, one with very nice natural tit, but I do not remember their name. However, it is hard to find stunner girls in Living room, I can still count girls I went with in living room because I spend most of day waiting till stunner walks in to begin her day.
Nirvana, I have not heard that name for long time, I used to listen to Nirvana a lot, but not recently actually, I like them a lot, but I was and I am more of Guns and roses guy, I still listen to paradise city in my airplane heading to German FKK trip sometimes among others. Maybe paradise city and welcome to the jungle fit FKK scene a bit LOL. Or very bizarre odd song, but my world by gnr is more like FKK. I kind of like listening to classic music going to FKK though, it somehow put me in hmmm beauty mood LOL if that is right way to putting it.
Well Jimi died because he too heroin, nobody does that thing anymore, I do not even drink, but I do smoke legal herbs, and I love fucking on that mixed with cialis LOL, I love dick on steroid it make me cum more stronger somehow because it is harder to cum with that thing, but with THC, it intensify orgasm, the problem is going back to my hotel stoned LOL, it is very hard thing to do like climbing everlast or Himalaya when you are stoned and trying to find way home LOL.
FKK trips is big like sport for me too because I do 3 rooms to 5 rooms now, when I was in my late 20's and early 30's, it was more like 5 to 7 room, all with cum every day for 10 days and my max was 14 days everyday FKK, but now 5 room all with cum is max I can do due to my physical capability, but this is everyday for 5 straight days, so it is bit like sport for me too. Though, mentally, I do it to collect good sexual memories that echoes in eternity. And it is great because every year, there always are new young beautiful girls for us mongers to fuck! Isn't monger life great? LOL.
Steve 9696
04-04-19, 23:54
So here is the scoop on Taipei. As I mentioned a very tough nut to crack. Prostitution is illegal and overtly shut down tight. There is an active underworld- and you cannot break through the underworld barrier without a Line contact. (Line is WhatsApp for Japan). I can provide a contact to senior members. Even though the below is not full sex by choice, it was an EPIC time. And my girl offered FS for an extra $140, but I was too tired to work that hard! Read on for a blast of an evening and at a good price for AP.
So we recently finished our little Shanghai jaunt and are ready for Taipei. Let me tell you Taipei is a tough nut to crack. Many thanks to a new forum buddy for a Line broker hookup. We would have been lost without this.
We were after KTV but with some extras. So we started corresponding with our Line contact about 3 weeks ago. He was very helpful in explaining the options. They range from a uniform shop with C class girls but very hands on to a dress shop with A class girls but no hanky panky for the most part. After a lot of dialog and enduring several rounds of upsell we settled on a very reasonably priced uniform shop with happy ending standard (even though it turned out the girls were wearing gowns / dresses).
This turned out to be a great choice. Day of the visit we got the exact location and final pricing. It is definitely a little intimidating if you don't know what to expect. When you arrive at this office building there is a desk with a couple rough looking characters (think low brow yakuza) and security monitors. You tell them xxx sent you and they call up on the walkie talkie for clearance.
When you arrive on the appropriate floor there is still plenty of muscle around and you are led to your room. Think of a hotel but with tiny Karaoke rooms behind each door. Lots of guys scurrying around and some girls in dresses getting lined up.
The waiter dude set up a plate of fruit and a six pack of beer. The beers are a very reasonably priced NTD140 per can which is great because we go through a couple or three six packs. You have little glasses a bit bigger than a shot and you drink it on ice. Your glass is NEVER empty regardless of how fast you empty it!
So they send in the first six girls. This is indeed a C class lineup but we knew that going in. Older and chubbier than any of us wanted so we send them away. Line up two is marginally better with one slim girl who is massively tatted up. Maybe a bit too rough. Bring on lineup number three!
I am thinking we can't just keep sending them away we will run out soon. And there is one reasonably pretty girl with a nice CCup chest that I am guessing is real (good guess!) so I say I will take her. She makes a truly terrible face when she realizes I speak no Chinese and I think OMG I am going to have a sad girl on my hands. Couldn't be further from the truth it turns out.
Chris and Tony both pick girls from the next lineup and it's off to the races. Tony's girl has the prettiest face (Viet) mine the best rack, and Chris gets none of the above. But she is a spitfire party girl who is a ton of fun. All great choices in their own way.
At this point I should mention that Chris is a buddy but Tony is a business partner so the idea of getting joint public handjobs is a bit weird. But when in Rome.
So we start drinking and singing and having a generally great time. If you've never done KTV it sounds lame but turns out to be a ton of fun even without the handjob! About 15 minutes in there is some signal and it's lap dance time. The girls take off our shirts and their dresses and it's very much like your standard US lap dance with plenty of hands on allowed. Funny thing is one girl has a whistle and every three minutes she blows it and they all rotate one guy to the right! So you get to sample each girl twice.
At one point a guy sticks his head in the room says something and all of a sudden everyone is in a rush to put on their clothes. I thought it was a raid or something but it turns out it is just part of the process. They will come off again later. I guess we set up a special deal because we are booked for three hours but the format is made for two. So we delay the handjob till the third hour.
My girl has spectacular top ten tits and insists on me having my hands on them 24/7. Ok baby not a problem. Hands on. Except when she wants me to touch her pussy through her panties, which is a nice extra only I seem to be getting. My girl is a ton of fun. Even yelling out "Fack me baby" a few times. Hey You do know English. At least the important words.
Some time in hour three as Chris and Tony are belting out some Chinese ballad, my girl gets my pants and tighty whiteys down around my ankles. I had noticed earlier three paper cups and some liquid and thought It might be shots. But it turns out to be some sort of lubricant that she dips her hand in and does her magic. The guys continue to sing on, oblivious to the half naked dude getting a handjob just a few feet away!
It is a good thing I got a five minute head start because I am a little harder to finish. The other girls join in their business, each with their own style. Chris's girl straddles him and dry humps him to a finish with her hand inside his pants. I think I was the only pants-on-the-floor guy but who's counting.
My girl finally figures out that the one hand jacking is not going to do it. But not long after she engages both hands and integrates some great ball action do we get a very happy ending. Both other guys finish quickly.
We are certainly not done with the fun and do another 30-40 minutes of Karaoke. The beer has socially lubricated everyone and we dance and party like maniacs till the time runs out. Final damage was USD $550 for 3 hours for all three guys, beer and handjobs all around! What a great bargain! All three of us were on cloud 9. Highly recommend.
Yes Taipei is a hard but to crack. But totally worth cracking. Senior members feel free to PM me for line contact.
Now if a woman can convince us that she is way too good for us but that she has to fuck us anyway, that is a special feeling! I suspect that is why so many girls in Europe play the princess, and why so many guys fall for them. Following this line of reasoning, it is the man with an inferiority complex who stands to gain the most pleasure from sex because to him nearly every woman is a goddess compared to his own unworthy self. He is the lucky masochist.
Personally I don't go for the princess type as a rule. I see too many girls putting on airs whose looks and intelligence clearly do not justify it, so it ends up seeming like a crass bluff. But I feel enough to understand the impulse in other guys.Probably. But there is a limit to everything. A guy only wants to be teased like this up to a certain point. Probably much like a woman only wants to get spanked up to a certain point as well. In both cases, if taken too far, it is worse than nothing at all.
Probably. But there is a limit to everything. A guy only wants to be teased like this up to a certain point. Probably much like a woman only wants to get spanked up to a certain point as well. In both cases, if taken too far, it is worse than nothing at all.Yeah, for many guys that certain point is way too far and they seems to take all the shit their wife throw at him LOL.
And such wife has been fucked without such hassle while she was much younger and better looking is the most ironic part of all.
Being monger, we get to fuck girls at their prime and leave them for husband to take care of them for rest of older years LOL.
Mongers can do the simple math and are able to see things in long term.
Uber is now back in Frankfurt and Dusseldorf. Fares however are not much cheaper than taxis. A ride from Sharks to the airport costs 40 euro on Friday at 5 pm. From Dusseldorf airport to Living Room, it's 25 euro.
Steve 9696
04-06-19, 01:33
Much like London, which I thought sucked till I found the breakthrough, Tokyo does NOT cater to foreigners (gaijin) for the most part. But once you have the secret decoder ring it's super easy. (But expensive).
Paying for vaginal sex is illegal in Japan, but blowjob and anal are fair game and perfectly legal (go figure) l. That said it is understood that a "soapy" and virtually all outcalls will provide FS. Unfortunately neither of these options are great for Gaijin.
A soapy is a great concept (more on this later) but in practice you pay a lot of money ($400+) and are shown pictures of girls only to find the real girl is ten years older and 20 pounds heavier than the picture. Other than Japanese dudes, I hear maybe 1 out of 10 reports are positive. Yikes. Don't do it.
For outcall, if you use Nasty Dolls or Asian Mystique you are more likely to get an OK to good experience. Still 50% or more likely to be "off" of expectations.
So now you are saying "why bother?" Well, because I found the gold nugget. (Not affiliated in any way!) and that is Tokyo Hentai Club www.hentaitokyo.com. Me and my buddies have seen 10+ girls there and without exception they are gorgeous, look like their pictures; and perform well. Note that FS is not officially on offer but YMMV. PM me for details.
The experience itself is really worth it anyhow. You go to a little tiny office and checkin, pick your girl and pay. There is literally a paper menu you fill out would you like Cum in Mouth sir? Please check the box! Then when the girls arrive at the appointed time you walk to the "love hotel" and get a room (an experience all by itself) and have a great time.
Whereas I was convinced THC was absolutely the top Japanese experience I was proven wrong on a recent trip. THC has a sister soapy called Paradise soapy.
https://paradise-inn.net/
And wow, a proper soapy is an experience not to be missed. My new favorite format. Rather than describing it generically I will post an FR with June who is a doll.
I will also post an FR on THC girl Sumire since it's a very different experience.
PS If u are enjoying these reports from ROW please give me a thumbs up. I have plenty of more info, but don’t want to bore you guys if it is not of interest. Will post June and Sumire regardless to finish out AP. Next is AU/CH followed by London (in near real time!)
Steve 9696
04-06-19, 01:43
Am I the only one who is bothered by the word Monger? A monger is someone who trades in and sells something. NOT someone who is a customer. A monger sells things to customers. A pimp is a monger, actually. But none of us are mongers, if we are to use the word properly (unless you are a pimp reading this LOL). Where the hell did the corruption of this word start and why do we propagate it?
I personally am an "enthusiast" — sex enthusiast, female enthusiast, encounter enthusiast. Anyone have a better word than monger? I am going to stick to enthusiast until you guys give me a better alternative.
Polyamorist
04-06-19, 03:31
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Whereas I was convinced THC was absolutely the top Japanese experience I was proven wrong on a recent trip. THC has a sister soapy called Paradise soapy.
https://paradise-inn.net/
As-salāmu ʿalaykum Steve.
How much did you have to pay at these places? To avoid being treated like a gaijin? Probably a mint, right? And I guess communication is a problem if the girls don't speak English?
Would like to get Mr Ho's feedback on why he thinks all this is lame compared to the FKK scene.
PS If u are enjoying these reports from ROW please give me a thumbs up.👍
Even though this is the FKK thread, I think FKK-land is in such decline that it helps to remind people that a bigger world exists out there. At this stage an FKK should be viewed as a halfway house for guys on parole from Sex Prison. A gateway drug to better things.
"Knock on the sky and listen to the sound!"
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Steve 9696
04-06-19, 04:18
As-salāmu ʿalaykum Steve.
How much did you have to pay at these places? To avoid being treated like a gaijin? Probably a mint, right? And I guess communication is a problem if the girls don't speak English?
Would like to get Mr Ho's feedback on why he thinks all this is lame compared to the FKK scene.
👍
Even though this is the FKK thread, I think FKK-land is in such decline that it helps to remind people that a bigger world exists out there. At this stage an FKK should be viewed as a halfway house for guys on parole from Sex Prison. A gateway drug to better things.
"Knock on the sky and listen to the sound!"
👳
So if the distinguished Mr Ho says Japan sucks I will totally agree with him -- Except for the gems that are THC and Paradise.
As to pricing, THC has silver, gold, and diamond girls at $US 200,230, and $270/ HR respectively. It is $30 to CIM, which includes BBBJ throughout. There is no negotiation or guessing. It is all on their website. It is kind of fun to peruse as they have pictures of the lovely Anju acting out what CIM means for example! Or what a denma is. Just go to their prices page and scroll down a bit to see the options. I always get a diamond plus CIM so it's $300. www.hentaitokyo.com
Paradise is priced similarly, but to get "mat play" -- see upcoming report -- you need to book 90 minutes. That is $400 US.
So high by German FKK standards, low by Aphrodisia and US benchmarks and about spot on with Globe.
Oh and as to being treated like a whitey, THC and Paradise have a niche. They allow ONLY foreigners -- no Japanese allowed. You do have to show an ID of some sort but it's just a cursory check that you are not a Japanese citizen. The entire experience, including their web chat, which is awesome, is built around English speaking foreigners.
Steve 9696
04-06-19, 04:32
This last trip I spent time with Natasha, Sumire, Honey, and Hitomi at THC. They were all lovely in their own way. Sumire the most experienced lover, Honey the prettiest (top5 worldwide for me), Hitomi the wettest, and Natasha a great all around win in all departments. I can post the rest later when you tire of AU / CH and London, but for now, let me just give you a taste with the lovely Sumire. P.S. You can see any of these girls including faces on their website. Most have a Tumblr account linked at the bottom of their profile where you see unretouched selfies. Very spot on. No bait and switch.
So our intrepid travelers were last seen in Paradise — fully satisfied. Who could ask for more? Not Chris — he is good for the day. But old Steve the horndog thinks he might go one more round. I'the been itching to try Lisa who is a lovely Blasian mix. But when we chat up Lyle at THC he says she can be a bit flaky on schedule and to avoid disappointment I might choose someone else. (The THC handlers are great. They are all Phillipino so they speak great English). Actually this leads to an interesting conversation about the girls and their schedules. Most have some other job as well — nurse, perfume clerk were a few he named. He knows them all like sisters, which makes him very good at his job.
It's for the best that Lisa might not work anyhow because I realize I am going to need a real pro on round 2 — so looks need to come secondary — I need service with a capital S. I ask Lyle to recommend top BJ girls and he cuts my list from 8 down to three. In the end I choose Sumire, who at age 30 has probably honed her craft. (Yep, got that right!) There is just something cute about her.
https://hentaitokyo.com/profile?cc=74
So I pay up and set the date for later that night (the usual 30000 Y for a diamond CIM hour). Chris and I go to the Korean barbecue about a block away. Super epic beef. OMG it was awesome. And then to the Dubliner for warm up drinks. Jack and Coke. Of course. The Dubliner is literally 50 feet from THC Shibuya. So as the Blind Pig is to Manhattan in Shanghai so is the Dubliner to THC Shibuya.
About 5 minutes before the appointment I head over and wait a few for Sumire. I am pleasantly surprised. She is very attractive but in a lady-like way not like someone early 20's. She is wearing a business wool coat and suit outfit with a high end purse — very classy. Think of doing the hot executive secretary and you've got Sumire. And unlike other girls who tend to walk maybe side by side with you to the hotel, she takes my arm and leans into me. Great indicator of the strong GFE to come.
It is a super busy night and we go to 5 different Love Hotels before we find a vacancy. And even then we have to get a deluxe suite at 7000 Y to secure a room. The room is in fact very nice with whirlpool tub with color changing lights and even a mini rubber dinghy if you wanted to go there. Even has a terrace, but we did not make use of it.
Whereas some girls want to head right to the showers, Sumire launches in to kissing me full on fully clothed. I really like this as it's more realistic as you jointly shed clothes. She's a good kisser and I really enjoy this part, including unclipping her bra like you are on a first date. Now it gets a little interesting.
She produces the menu from THC and confirms I want CIM but asks if there is anything else I want. I decline. Well she is a determined girl. She starts kissing down my naked body and takes my hard dick and positions it just in front of her lips but not touching. She then takes the head and slides it in a circle around her mouth careful to not touch her lips. "Are you sure you don't want the instant blowjob?" (BJ without showering first = +3000 Y) Well shit no. Not now. I am no longer sure of anything except I want my cock in your mouth. So yes ma'am. Please I'll have the instant BJ, please. LOL.
This minor upsell is a little unfair, but I asked for a pro and I got one. This is all worth it in the end.
Clearly at this point the instant BJ is not going to make me cum but it's a great job and I am well warmed up. Off to the bath. She has cleverly already made a bubble bath and puts me in the jacuzzi as she prepares her version of mat play without the mat. After a nice soak she puts me on the little stool and gives every inch of me a thorough cleaning. She does some mat-like tricks like straddling your arm and sliding her pussy all the way down from shoulder to wrist. It is not Paradise, but it is by far the best bath prep I received this year at THC.
After bath prep it's off to the bed. To be honest I can recall all the details — my eight girls this week are blending together a bit in a Jack and Coke haze. But here are some highlights.
1. Her pussy is ridiculously tight, particularly for a thirty year old. When she was blowing me and I stick my index finger in it didn't go quite all the way. She did like 25 pussy clenches on it in rapid succession and eventually it went in but holy cow it is tight and she can pussy clench like no ones business.
2. She must have done something right. I extended to 90 minutes.
3. First time ever got a bit of a Japanese AV star move. About 75 minutes in I blow my stack thanks to very impressive BJ skills. She keeps it in her mouth and then on her knees looking right at me, she puts her hand under her chin and let's all my cum drool down her lips and pool in her hand. Wow. Don't see that everyday!
Great attentive finishing shower and the walk back and Steve has one more experience in the rear view mirror.
High recommend on Sumire if you want a great GFE with a bit of PSE thrown in for good measure. Had a whale of a time! Would repeat.
So if the distinguished Mr Ho says Japan sucks I will totally agree with him -- Except for the gems that are THC and Paradise.
As to pricing, THC has silver, gold, and diamond girls at $US 200,230, and $270/ HR respectively. It is $30 to CIM, which includes BBBJ throughout. There is no negotiation or guessing. It is all on their website. It is kind of fun to peruse as they have pictures of the lovely Anju acting out what CIM means for example! Or what a denma is. Just go to their prices page and scroll down a bit to see the options. I always get a diamond plus CIM so it's $300. www.hentaitokyo.com
Paradise is priced similarly, but to get "mat play" -- see upcoming report -- you need to book 90 minutes. That is $400 US.
So high by German FKK standards, low by Aphrodisia and US benchmarks and about spot on with Globe.
Oh and as to being treated like a whitey, THC and Paradise have a niche. They allow ONLY foreigners -- no Japanese allowed. You do have to show an ID of some sort but it's just a cursory check that you are not a Japanese citizen. The entire experience, including their web chat, which is awesome, is built around English speaking foreigners.Polayrist and Steve. Japan is good if you know your way around and if you like beautiful Asian girls. It is depending on ones taste.
I tend to like more European girls, so for my taste, I had and have great time here in Tokyo with so called Eurasian girls who are half white and half Japanese. I had privileged to enjoy girls like Maria Ozawa and Rola Takizawa and as for Rola, I had her before she went onto porn industry when she was still 19 years old, I did her bareback for about 10 months. However, Eurasian girls are quite hard to find here and I only do few per year, when they come up on the scene while they are on the scene. For Maria Ozawa, I did her during her prime in 2008, so it was expensive, 150000 yen for 70 min (about 1500 USD) and Rola was about 50000 yen (500 usd) for 90 min.
In Japan, prostitution is illegal, but in the law, it only prohibit sexual intercourse and that with legal definition is penetration of penis into pussy, but one can get around that and you can kind of say police only do bust sometimes, if such incident of penetration occur. Yes, it sound funny and odd, but it is how it is with the law here.
On the other hand, all type of sexual services are on table with various style, and many options are available too like dressing them up as high school girls, stewardess, swimming costume, high school uniforms etc. And legally anal penetration is not consider illegal because it is not sex legally, so if girls offer it, anal is like plus 10000 yen (about 100 usd).
In bigger picture to simplify it, there is type of brothel called soap land, it is like a bath house where girls wash you in enclosed Japanese style bath room and then fuck you, at this type of enterprise, you can penetrate. And another style of mongering here is delivery health, which is like escort service and you cannot penetrate with this service on surface, but in reality, many girls let you penetrate for free if you are lucky, if not with 10000 to 20000 yen extra which is like 100 usd to 200 usd more.
What I do is that, I tend to like delivery health because you get fresh normal girls new to the industry like 18,19 years old, which is legal age to work in mongering industry here, so they are still nice and naive, so I do sexual play called sumata, which is sliding bareback penis on pussy and I just slide it inside LOL. It works most of time.
For both soap land and delivery health, I would say for good looking girls, the rate begin at about 50000 yen (about 500 usd) and sky is limit.
The down side is that, many establishments are not open to foreign visitors, so one may face some problem getting good looking girls. This is due to language ability of girls and some clients treating girls rough etc. , but this is slowly changing because the industry realize the possible big profit to cater girls to foreign visitors, so now some of the establishment begin to have English sites.
For Eurasian girls lover like me, when it is good, it is really good because I get girls like Rola Takizawa or Maria Ozawa etc. , or even more beautiful normal Eurasian girls who are not porn stars, but when it is bad, I do not find any good looking Eurasian girls at all, so it is bad as desert LOL. However, I also like model type Asian girls over 170 cm with beautiful structured small face, so I do fine.
But comparison to German FKK where you can see like 40 girls minimum and sometimes almost 100 girls all nude in real life front of you before you choose who to go, it is not good here.
I would say for service, once you managed to get the penetration part sorted with girl, then service often are really good like you can usually cum many time as you want within given time, mostly all are included like DFK, rimming, BBBJ, DATY, cum in mouth, cum on tit etc. (no anal), and often if penetration part is sorted, then it is bareback.
In conclusion, if you like more elegant looking Asian girls, come to Japan, if not it is better off going to Thailand or Philippines because it is much cheaper there, you can choose girls front of you and also you can go bareback easily there. Either way, I like Eurasian girls, so anywhere I go in Asia including here in Tokyo, I am always searching for Eurasian girls that is hard to find and also even in German FKK, I am always searching for girls, I guess my taste is getting higher and higher for me to able to fuck them LOL, it is hard knock life for choosy monger like me LOL!
Hi gang,
Planning to spend one Saturday night this June in the Dusseldorf area (can go anywhere). Looking to maximize my chances for a young, natural beauty.
Been to World in its 2013 heyday, and Oase last year, so that's my benchmark.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions / rankings!
Vito Corleone
04-06-19, 09:40
This last trip I spent time with Natasha, Sumire, Honey, and Hitomi at THC. They were all lovely in their own way. Sumire the most experienced lover, Honey the prettiest (top5 worldwide for me), Hitomi the wettest, and Natasha a great all around win in all departments. I can post the rest later when you tire of AU / CH and London, but for now, let me just give you a taste with the lovely Sumire. P.S. You can see any of these girls including faces on their website. Most have a Tumblr account linked at the bottom of their profile where you see unretouched selfies. Very spot on. No bait and switch.
So our intrepid travelers were last seen in Paradise fully satisfied. Who could ask for more? Not Chris he is good for the day. But old Steve the horndog thinks he might go one more round. I'the been itching to try Lisa who is a lovely Blasian mix. But when we chat up Lyle at THC he says she can be a bit flaky on schedule and to avoid disappointment I might choose someone else. (The THC handlers are great. They are all Phillipino so they speak great English). Actually this leads to an interesting conversation about the girls and their schedules. Most have some other job as well nurse, perfume clerk were a few he named. He knows them all like sisters, which makes him very good at his job..Steve,
I really enjoy reading your reports! It's not Germany related but better than all this who needs therapy, who's addicted, who thinks they have reverend pimp daddy skills but still has to pay the girls. Socially awkward, makes the girls sticky wet while searching for woman behavior but in reality the girls who tolerate him for his money.
Keep providing great trip reports!
Steve. I love your reports.I await the one on "mat play' And Mr Ho many many thanks for the overview. I am working on demystifying the Japan scene for my next visit as I have a heart fluttering penchant for Japanese cuteness. But learning enough language to read websites and make telephone calls is a big ask (I want to avoid the foreigner only options but that will be my fallback). But maybe the prices are beyond my pocket so I will have to settle for Germany :(
Steve 9696
04-06-19, 22:08
So Tokyo Hentai has a sister club that is a legitimate soapy. It's in Kawasaki, which I thought was far but it's not. It's just one subway stop from Shinigawa. So super easy to get to. It has earlier hours than THC and closes earlier so it's a great daytime option.
Since we planned to do THC again late night we wanted to go early enough to Paradise to recover but ended up having to go at 1:45 to get the girls we wanted. This was OK though because we had awesome gyoza and ramen beforehand. I settled on their number 3 girl June and Chris took their number 1 Sophia.
Sophia.
https://paradise-inn.net/profile?cc=59
June.
https://paradise-inn.net/profile?cc=42
They were both OUTSTANDING! Our new favorite club!
Paradise, being a full on soapy, includes FS in the price. This is really nice but believe me you will go here for the mat play. You have to get 90 minutes to do mat play. DO IT. You will never be the same. You will save all your pennies to go to Paradise.
When you arrive, the great English speaking handlers will take your order (42000 Y for 90 minutes) and settle you in the waiting room with a coke or water. Soon enough it is time for the reveal. I am escorted to a curtain at the bottom of the stairs and when it opens there is June at the top. Nice. (Chris reports Sophia was kneeling and bowing which was a nice touch).
I would say June is just a shade less cute than her pictures. Eyes not quite that big but still very pretty and with a bangin body if you like slim girls. She is super tiny with a tight stomach and toned abs. But her bubbly personality overall is the main attraction. What a sweetheart. And wait till you get to mat play. Gods gift to man.
In the room I undress and she gets the shower ready. The rooms are a little older but very adequate for the purpose and quite spacious with bed, soaking tub and a large open area for mat play.
Those that have been to a soapy before will recognize the routine but I will recount it here for newbies. First she sits you on a special U shaped stool. Your butt cheeks go on the two ends of the U and that leaves your junk and butt open for easy access. And access she does!
She soaps up my junk and all the way round to the far back. And puts the handheld shower all the way under. You will have the cleanest crack and ball sack ever! Plus it's super sexy. Paradise is all about service. You will feel like a king.
Now it is time for me to tub-soak while she prepares the mat. Mat is really a misnomer. In much of AP they call it the rubber dingy and that is way more accurate. It is a huge queen size inflatable that is really thick and shaped slightly concave to keep all the slippery goo inside.
The prep itself is kinda sexy to watch. She mixes up a bowl of Nuru gel which is the goddamn slipperiest stuff you've ever encountered. It's made from seaweed so it's all natural, which is good, because pretty soon June is going to be licking every inch of my body! She then spreads it liberally on the raft and starts sliding her naked body all over it to spread it around. I have plenty of nice visuals filed away on this!
When the mat is prepped, June comes to get me and leads me by hand onto the mat. This is required as otherwise I'd bust my ass, but also very sweet. On the mat face down it is the most sublime experience ever. Your cock is running against the slippery mat as she rides up and down your legs. She hooks a foot under and suddenly she's stroking my balls. She is licking me everywhere. It is just a cacophony of sensations. A body symphony. And that is face down!
After a while there is "the flip" where in a massage place is the signal for fun to start. Not here. You are nearly spent from sensory overload at the time of the flip. But yet it goes on. Some quality sliding. A bunch of DFK and then she puts a towel under my butt to keep me in place as she fucks the hell out of me.
(FWIW Chris has done mat play a bunch of other places and he said his experience here was way over the top better than anywhere else).
And fuck the hell out of me she did. She did a bunch of nice BBBJ and then put on the condom with her mouth always a nice pro touch and began to ride. Let me tell you, early on she confesses "I am a very horny girl" and she was not lying. I thought about trying to hold out but there was no prayer of that with her sexy moaning and riding like a blue-ribbon cowgirl! So I have an epic shot while on the mat.
Of course we are not done. She gives me virtually no rest time and starts playing with my dick again. She is a very conscientious girl and asks to make sure it is not too ticklish. I say no and on she goes. More stroking and BBBJ then move to the bed with me hard again. (The 90 minutes course is clearly set up for a shot on the mat and one on the bed).
We cuddle a bit but then get at it again. We do mish and cowgirl and doggie. With a lot of super nice DFK. As well I do some very nice DATY with her very responsive with a tight little knob you can easily locate and work. I do quite a bit of finger fucking as well with index inside curled up and thumb driving across the button. She seems to quite enjoy this. No earthshaking orgasm like Natasha, but a fun time was had by all!
She returns to hand work and BJ to try to seal the deal, but as my fifth girl of the week and second shot in 75 minutes, it does not happen. Nonetheless she is a trooper right up to the bell. What a great girl.
We kiss and shower and off I go to my next adventure. On the way out they have a rating form (they are sooooo good at customer service) and I give June top marks. Chris had a top of the world experience with Sophia as well. So much so we decide to swap girls the next day. But that is a story for tomorrow. Plus I have one more hottie to do before then. Stay tuned.
Highest recommendation possible for Paradise, June and Sophia (in that order). A new favorite top worldwide venue!
Optimist et al: Save your pennies and put mat play at Paradise (specifically Paradise not any random soapy) on your bucket list. You really must try this before going to the big FKK in the sky. I put the mat play with June in the top five in all my experiences. Probably number three after Thifany my Brazilian girlfriend for a week, and the life changing Cambria and Kendall duo in London. Mighty fine company to be in!
PS I forgot to comment but Japanese girls are generally a whole different experience from girls elsewhere. There is still a culture of deference and submission with the man being king. It comes through the whole time in the experience that it is not quite mutual — she is there to serve you. Of course one can argue it should be this way everywhere and certainly with working girls but it’s generally not. But in Japan it is still old school “take care of your man” and this is intoxicatingly sexy.
Supermonger Steve. Thanks again. A superb report. I have just created a bucket list with one item on :D. Your report is life changing.
Number one in London?. Congrats for that.
Steve,
I really enjoy reading your reports! It's not Germany related but better than all this who needs therapy, who's addicted, who thinks they have reverend pimp daddy skills but still has to pay the girls. Socially awkward, makes the girls sticky wet while searching for woman behavior but in reality the girls who tolerate him for his money.
Keep providing great trip reports!I would much rather be reading about action in Germany in a Germany-focused thread. But, have to agree that Steve's reports are better than what has been going on here for way, way, way too long. Paradise is affiliated with Tokyo Hentai Club by the way. You can see Paradise tutes featured on THC's home page: https://hentaitokyo.com/..
Steve 9696
04-07-19, 19:15
Supermonger Steve. Thanks again. A superb report. I have just created a bucket list with one item on :D. Your report is life changing.
Number one in London?. Congrats for that.Thanks for the kind words all. I'll be bringing it closer to home with CH / AU up next. But I also have another handful of APs I can post later if we get bored. Natasha, Honey, Hitomi, Sophia, and Judy's Girl.
Yes Top experience of my life was with Thifany the Unicorn in London. A girl I spent 5 hours with in Brazil and then flew to London for a week. To say it was epic is an understatement. I have a full write up that takes about 20 minutes to read but won't post here due to length and personal details. Interested parties can PM me and I will email if you have a safe address for me to send to.
Stay tuned for CH / AU.
Neurosynth
04-07-19, 19:21
Can I offer a slightly dissenting view?
While it's true that this is a general lounge and chat area, and there is room for more drift than perhaps in other items, and indeed Steve 9696's reports on Japan are very good. . . .
This is still a thread that is supposed to focus on German FKK clubs. Those who come here looking for that shouldn't have to read and then skip entries that are this far off topic.
I would suggest putting long Japan reviews in the Japan category and thread, but then post a short note here saying "hey, I just posted a new Japan review" and perhaps offer a direct URL.
I actually like super WG enthusiast Steve posting his world experiences here. Gives a feel of lounging in FKKs and chat with a fellow enthusiast who is sharing his experiences in other parts of the world while I recover from last session and wait to find the next girl I want to bang in the FKK.
Plus I don't have to go to 10 different threads to find his really valuable reports to create my next bucket list. Makes my life easier 😁.
Thank you again Steve. Please keep on posting and enlighten rest of us in this community.
"She is licking me everywhere. It is just a cacophony of sensations. A body symphony." Wish this girl comes to Germany and coach some of the FKK girls!
I actually like super WG enthusiast Steve posting his world experiences here. Gives a feel of lounging in FKKs and chat with a fellow enthusiast who is sharing his experiences in other parts of the world while I recover from last session and wait to find the next girl I want to bang in the FKK.
Plus I don't have to go to 10 different threads to find his really valuable reports to create my next bucket list. Makes my life easier 😁.
Thank you again Steve. Please keep on posting and enlighten rest of us in this community.
"She is licking me everywhere. It is just a cacophony of sensations. A body symphony." Wish this girl comes to Germany and coach some of the FKK girls!While there is some logic to what you say, I completely disagree. Under your theory there would be a single thread for all postings from all countries. This would be so difficult to find a post about any specific club or lady. Perhaps a few senior posters from the German threads should post about German clubs on the threads from other countries and see how we are received.
Steve 9696
04-08-19, 01:59
The only reason I am posting is because a lot of folks (it appears) me included were tired to death of the pop psychology crowd completely dominating what used to be an interesting and lively chat area. If there are worthy topics to discuss then I'd prefer that. Like it used to be.
I don't want to be the new dominator of the thread. I am just (by request) filling the void. I will make the dissenters a deal that I won't post worldwide FRs and backgrounders on any day that a worthy FKK (or sex of any kind really) discussion is going on. So far today? Zip.
So what do folks want to hear about in next post: Berlin non-Artemis options? Globe? Aphrodisia (2 x Globe price. Gack! Goldentime Linz? Claudius Caesar Graz? London Incall Ro-Girls? Brazil several venues? USA?
I am here only to serve. Let me know.
Steve,
I have grown very fond of FKKs as compared to other places (Tijuana, Bogota, Rio / Brazil). I like the club atmosphere and the ability to pick a girl and have fun within minutes. It feels clean, safe and to be frank "easy". Also, for the most part the language barrier isn't an issue. I would say the girls in Sao Paulo are absolutely amazing in the sack and I love the ability to follow the GP's on Twitter. Getting to meet them though can be a challenge. I want to go back to Sao Paulo and Porto Allegro (for some reason this place is packed with them). What are your thoughts on FKKs vs. Brazil?
Posting to Keep it Alive
The only reason I am posting is because a lot of folks (it appears) me included were tired to death of the pop psychology crowd completely dominating what used to be an interesting and lively chat area. If there are worthy topics to discuss then I'd prefer that. Like it used to be.
I don't want to be the new dominator of the thread. I am just (by request) filling the void. I will make the dissenters a deal that I won't post worldwide FRs and backgrounders on any day that a worthy FKK (or sex of any kind really) discussion is going on. So far today? Zip.
So what do folks want to hear about in next post: Berlin non-Artemis options? Globe? Aphrodisia (2 x Globe price. Gack! Goldentime Linz? Claudius Caesar Graz? London Incall Ro-Girls? Brazil several venues? USA?
I am here only to serve. Let me know.Isn't that a little funny and even ironic? Stating that we have to post off topic discussions to keep the thread "alive. " It seems that dead or artificially alive is preferred over authentic topics that touch sensitive nerves, my 2 cents of irony.
DiverOyster
04-08-19, 06:22
Steve,
Thank you so much for your detailed reports. I can't wait to read your reports on Globe and Aphrodisia. Keep on writing.
Logic would appear to mean that Steve's posts here are inappropriate. But once I take account of all the (for me) irrelevant discussions on psychology in recent times, I find Steve's off topic posts very relevant. Maybe on this one occasion it is reasonable to allow a bit of slack, as they are that rare thing, Field Reports, which are sadly lacking in the FKK threads.
I agree completely with the thoughts of Chongmai, but still welcome the Steve reports. So I am contradicting myself. As often happens. Maybe it is just that I can live with this off topic bonanza just this one time, and one time only, for a limited time, because of the recent character of the thread.
Glad to spread my confusion :)
While there is some logic to what you say, I completely disagree. Under your theory there would be a single thread for all postings from all countries. This would be so difficult to find a post about any specific club or lady. Perhaps a few senior posters from the German threads should post about German clubs on the threads from other countries and see how we are received.I second that. The evopsych lectures were irrelevant but so are mongering reports about random countries. This thread is about German FKKs.
Thread discipline is paramount in any forum. Without it a forum goes to pieces. Thread discipline has often been lacking (or insufficiently enforced) on this forum alas. You see too much highjacking of threads. You also see members duplicating threads that already exist for want of first ascertaining whether a thread on the same topic didn't already exist. The whole forum then risks becoming a shambles.
I second that. The evopsych lectures were irrelevant but so are mongering reports about random countries. This thread is about German FKKs.
Thread discipline is paramount in any forum. Without it a forum goes to pieces. Thread discipline has often been lacking (or insufficiently enforced) on this forum alas. You see too much highjacking of threads. You also see members duplicating threads that already exist for want of first ascertaining whether a thread on the same topic didn't already exist. The whole forum then risks becoming a shambles.So irrelevant begins again LOL, chongmal is often the source of such debates.
I would say, Mr Steve has no bad intentions, so reading about mongering related topic is always good thing for forum, the biggest problem of this forum is there are certain group of people, some are with multiple accounts with different handle names by one guy are always pointing fingers at other posters for small details, then all mood of forum goes to argumentative pointing finger at each other mood. It is almost they want to manipulate it that way.
I would say, if you don't like some posts, just ignore it and let it through instead of pointing finger at others who has no bad intention and I think Mr steve has no bad intention, and it is lounge and chat here, I have met some mongers in german FKK in real life and when we chat, we did speak about mongering in other nations too because it is related to mongering and comparison is important to know.
I second that. The evopsych lectures were irrelevant but so are mongering reports about random countries. This thread is about German FKKs. Thread discipline is paramount in any forum. Without it a forum goes to pieces. Thread discipline has often been lacking (or insufficiently enforced) on this forum alas. You see too much highjacking of threads. You also see members duplicating threads that already exist for want of first ascertaining whether a thread on the same topic didn't already exist. The whole forum then risks becoming a shambles.In the final analysis, I must agree. But, I was just dying for anything and / or anybody to shut these guys down. Yes, thread discipline enforcement would help. A lot!
What are your thoughts on FKKs vs. Brazil?This is an oft asked question. Germany has the FKKs while Rio de Janeiro has the termas. Same concept, but the German FKKs tend to be larger, even a smaller one like FKK Samya in Cologne. That said, I much prefer Brazil. I like the broader variety in the look of Brazilian women. Nobody fucks better than the "garotas" of Brazil either. And if you're an anal sex lover like I am, then no place tops Brazil! My last few trips to Germany were really good for knocking the bottom out of the booty holes, but Brazil remains number 1! Plus, I just like Brazilain culture, weather, language, food, etc. Better. So, I have it Brazil first, Germany second, and Thailand third. If I liked Asian girls more, then Thailand would be number 1. But for me, it's the Latinas and the white girls that do it, so Brazil has got to be first. Why, what with all the plentiful anal sex and all LOLOLOL! I always say that my dream scenario would be German-style FKKs, lined all along Thai beaches, and full of nothing but hot, curvy Brazilian girls taking it up the butt! Hahaha! My focus here was on Rio, but Sao Paulo is also good (but no termas).
Thanks for the kind words all. I'll be bringing it closer to home with CH / AU up next.
Stay tuned for CH / AU.I am looking forward to reading your AU-report, as I go there in a few weeks. I will probably plan my route after reading your review. Thank you for sharing so many thoughts and tips!!
Steve 9696
04-09-19, 01:20
Adding to the Cane's wisdom, don't forget the Boate. Rio has termas like an FKK, but São Paulo is king of the boate. A boate is a nightclub full of working girls and with onsite rooms for paid enagagements. For a full day experience nothing beats the FKK but for a night out the boate is great fun.
Scandalo is probably the most luxe and expensive. Much nicer than any FKK I've been to. I mean like a super high end nightclub and bar and cafe — except the girls are all there for one thing. And it just seems more relaxed than the FKK — the girls are not in such a rush to go to the room and you don't feel like you are wasting their time. I literally drank and flirted with Karina for two hours before suggesting a room (me not her). I was just having such a blast and it was so natural that I just lost track of time. Same thing with Thifany at Fazendinha. Probably at least a half hour chatting and making out before I thought to ask quanta costa?
Just a really fun and flirty vibe. I love the boate and the FKK both, but for different types of experiences.
Steve 9696
04-09-19, 01:45
So just across the border, lies the oft discussed Club Globe and nearby the extraodinarily pricey Aphrodisia. Is globe worth 2 X German FKK prices? Is Aphrodisia worth 4 X? Wow. Only one way to answer these questions — go there. So I did!
The short answer is it depends on your budget. If 50€ is tough to part with and you have to carefully manage your FKK budget, then no. Neither is worth the multiple. Much more bang for your buck in Frankfurt.
If on the other hand you have a large girl budget, they are worth doing.
Starting with Globe — the girls are impressive. There isn't the variance you see in some clubs. They are all tight and in shape and pretty. And the service has less variation as well, as has been widely reported and was my experience as well. I was recently with three girls and they were all great or in the case of Kate, epic. I did find the fact that I literally had to chase down girls annoying. They could be more forward and approachable without being sharky.
Aphrodisia is a whole different beast. Tiny little bar. Free alcohol. No cover. (Yep and yep) And 30 hot Romanians all eating you alive with their eyes. It is worth the coin once or twice to experience it, but it's not somewhere you can repeatedly go to and feel good about the value. I'll post an FR on Aphrodisia since it's quite unique and most folks here unlikely to run across it. Globe of course has a strong forum and following.
So just across the border, lies the oft discussed Club Globe and nearby the extraodinarily pricey Aphrodisia. Is globe worth 2 X German FKK prices? Is Aphrodisia worth 4 X? Wow. Only one way to answer these questions go there. So I did!
The short answer is it depends on your budget. If 50 is tough to part with and you have to carefully manage your FKK budget, then no. Neither is worth the multiple. Much more bang for your buck in Frankfurt.
If on the other hand you have a large girl budget, they are worth doing.
Starting with Globe the girls are impressive. There isn't the variance you see in some clubs. They are all tight and in shape and pretty. And the service has less variation as well, as has been widely reported and was my experience as well. I was recently with three girls and they were all great or in the case of Kate, epic. I did find the fact that I literally had to chase down girls annoying. They could be more forward and approachable without being sharky..I only been to Globe once and that was on Sunday. LU was not as good as I thought, but it is my fault for going there with too much high expectation. And now that I look back, line up is collection of minimum good looking girls of German FKK and stunners of German FKK I guess on weekdays, but I went on Sunday, so I just mostly got good looking girls on line up. The service was as good as I was told without any negotiation and as for time, 30 min is 30 min in globe.
My conclusion is that, if you are 50 euro or 100 euro session guy in German FKK, mostly hanging around in Hessen area and Berlin area for FKK activity. Globe Zurich is good place to be after the law because it is very unlikely to get GFE service for just 50 euro per 30 min and girls often ask 100 euro for 30 min and even you extend time to one hour, so 100 euro session, many girls now ask for 150 euro or even 200 euro, often settle for 150 euro though. However, some girls are still hit and miss in German FKK even after upsell.
On the other hand, in globe it is 140 chf, so that is around 120 euro and you do get full service with passion on the side of girls, she will kiss you strongly, BBBJ, DATY, multiple position etc. , and that is for full 30 min, no cheap shot scum of time or service in globe. So price range is getting similar with very small difference for just about 20 euro between some German FKK clubs and Globe and in globe it is secured and guaranteed to be delivered without any annoying negotiation or cheap shot attempt to scum you, so one can go into room without any stress, which is like to fee in FKK with only small difference of about 20 euro per 30 min. Stay in Zurich is slightly more pricey and also if you add options and longer time, it can add up, but for certain use, globe is now similar price range as some German FKK clubs with upsell namely Artemis and Palace, so it is worth visit for 30 min mongers who want good service without annoying negotiation, then difference is session price is very small with great return, even for one hour it still is small difference in price like around 50 euro difference.
This was not the case before the new law or recent tendency of girls asking for more upsell in German FKK, but like any market, price tend to inflate as we advance into future. Only exception is nrw clubs, where price and service is as FKK was back in early 2010's. Why? I don't know, but beside oceans, I was never upsold session in any of nrw FKK, even at oceans upsell is mild enough comparison to Hessen and Berlin FKK club which is only Artemis.
Only downside of globe Zurich is that, it is hard club to stay long time with only outside area being roof top terrace that you need to take elevator to go up to, but comparison to palace, at least globe has area where you can feel fresh air and get away from enclosed main bar of FKK that is hard to stay whole day.
I would say for certain use, Globe Zurich is now in similar price range with secure guaranteed service delivery with no cheating of time that monger can feel stress free for extra about 20 euro per 30 min given that many German FKK girls ask for upsell price.
Polyamorist
04-09-19, 04:06
Salaam and Abra-Kadabra, Steve... the two best openers under samawat!
Adding to the Cane's wisdom, don't forget the Boate. Rio has termas like an FKK, but So Paulo is king of the boate. A boate is a nightclub full of working girls and with onsite rooms for paid enagagements. For a full day experience nothing beats the FKK but for a night out the boate is great fun.
As the European scene comes under Romanian domination, the West comes down to Brazilians vs Romanians. Both countries have a monthly average wage of about US $650, so there is motivation for the women to work in something lucrative. But the similarities end there. For me the Brazilians win easily. The Romanians tend to organize in gangs, but what we want in a woman is individuality. We don't want soldiers. Also the Romanians, speaking English, have inherited Anglo-Saxon culture and the misandry that comes with it. To me the Brazilians seem more "normal" -- just an absence of baggage. The result is I find it easier to have conversations with Brazilians even though they don't speak English and the Romanians do.
Starting with Globe the girls are impressive. There isn't the variance you see in some clubs. They are all tight and in shape and pretty. And the service has less variation as well, as has been widely reported and was my experience as well. I was recently with three girls and they were all great or in the case of Kate, epic. I did find the fact that I literally had to chase down girls annoying. They could be more forward and approachable without being sharky.
There was some discussion on the Globe thread about how attitudes have declined. I think it is still possible to get the "Globe standard" as long as you hunt or wait for the stars. Hint: this means avoiding girls in gangs and girls that can't have real conversations. No matter how new and shiny their bodies are. The trouble is, the real girls are booked in rooms all the time.
Aphrodisia is a whole different beast. Tiny little bar. Free alcohol. No cover. (Yep and yep) And 30 hot Romanians all eating you alive with their eyes. It is worth the coin once or twice to experience it, but it's not somewhere you can repeatedly go to and feel good about the value. I'll post an FR on Aphrodisia since it's quite unique and most folks here unlikely to run across it. Globe of course has a strong forum and following.A reminder that some bad reports about Aphrodisia sessions have come out. Even an absence of DFK and BBBJ. You may be lucky and you may not. For me, not worth the risk at those sky-high prices.
Scandalo is probably the most luxe and expensive. Much nicer than any FKK I've been to. I mean like a super high end nightclub and bar and cafe except the girls are all there for one thing. And it just seems more relaxed than the FKK the girls are not in such a rush to go to the room and you don't feel like you are wasting their time.
Scandallo is great. I just have a couple of issues. (1) The way they badger you for ID on entry. That is disrespectful of the customer's privacy. You don't have to give up your ID, but a lot of guys don't realize this. (2) The waiters encourage the girls to pester you for drinks. You are already paying to be there. When certain girls do this, it strikes a really artificial note and sometimes feels low-class, like a form of begging. Of course it's different if you are the one to offer a girl a drink. Anyway these are relatively minor issues, and I like Scandallo overall.
I always say that my dream scenario would be German-style FKKs, lined all along Thai beaches, and full of nothing but hot, curvy Brazilian girls taking it up the butt! Hahaha! My focus here was on Rio, but Sao Paulo is also good (but no termas).How curvy are these Brazilians really? Don't get me wrong, some curves are fine. And more so if the shape and face is good. But when you say it like this, I get worried the shape is too big. But there are plenty of slimmer Brazilians too. The non stereotypical ones.
Scandalo is probably the most luxe and expensive. Much nicer than any FKK I've been to. I mean like a super high end nightclub and bar and cafe except the girls are all there for one thing. Is this the place you talk about?
http://scandallolounge.com.br/a-casa/
What are the prices here by the way? Website has no info on it.
Also, if you haven't been to any nicer looking FKK, which FKK have you really been to? Not trying to be rude here, but from the pictures, perhaps only Acapulco looks worse to me than this.
Scandalo is probably the most luxe and expensive. Much nicer than any FKK I've been to. I mean like a super high end nightclub and bar and cafe except the girls are all there for one thing. Is this the place you talk about?
http://scandallolounge.com.br/a-casa/
What are the prices here by the way? Website has no info on it.
Also, if you haven't been to any nicer looking FKK, which FKK have you really been to? Not trying to be rude here, but from the pictures, perhaps only Acapulco, and some of the other nrw clubs like Magnum etc looks worse to me than this. Especially looking at the cafe area and some of the seats in the lounge.
Steve 9696
04-09-19, 23:06
Is this the place you talk about?
http://scandallolounge.com.br/a-casa/
What are the prices here by the way? Website has no info on it.
Also, if you haven't been to any nicer looking FKK, which FKK have you really been to? Not trying to be rude here, but from the pictures, perhaps only Acapulco, and some of the other nrw clubs like Magnum etc looks worse to me than this. Especially looking at the cafe area and some of the seats in the lounge.I have been to Sharks Oase Palace World Globe Goldentime Artemis. So not an exhaustive list for sure. But also a nontrivial sample. I will tell you in person it is REALLY nice. Perhaps other German FKKs rival it. What do you think are the most luxe FKK venues?
Steve 9696
04-10-19, 02:16
How curvy are these Brazilians really? Don't get me wrong, some curves are fine. And more so if the shape and face is good. But when you say it like this, I get worried the shape is too big. But there are plenty of slimmer Brazilians too. The non stereotypical ones.I don't think I'm generalizing too much to say the Brazilian aesthetic tends towards slightly thicker gals and with a true Brasileira bunda (butt). I say this based on two things: If you follow #brasileira on Instagram you will see it tends toward thicker but not fat, and very pretty girls. If you go to photoacompanhantes (the best FL WG site) they all lead with ass pics! Only in Brazil!
For my money I discovered the charm of the Brasileira bunda but attached on a slim frame. This is an amazing freak of nature. Of the ten girls I saw, both Duda and Eduarda had this unique feature -- super tiny feminine frame and a tiny waist and this substantial, round, but not fat, Bunda. It is truly amazing to do doggie with your hands on this tiny waist and then this copious bunda to pound against. Just as Kate at Globe is a freak of nature with her slimness (but not skinny! So too are these slim girls with the Brasileira bunda. I rather grew to love it.
Here is a good example.
I have been to Sharks Oase Palace World Globe Goldentime Artemis. So not an exhaustive list for sure. But also a nontrivial sample. I will tell you in person it is REALLY nice. Perhaps other German FKKs rival it. What do you think are the most luxe FKK venues?Well Goldentime Bruggen, and from the pictures, it seems Globe is also a bit run down. So looking worse than scandallo.
The most modern and fresh FKK's in my mind are: Sharks, Oase, Palace after the renovation this winter, Oceans, Wellcum, Marina, YinYang and probably the 2 Austrian Goldentime's (Vienna and Linz).
Paradise Stuttgart is also ahead. And from what I can tell also Sakura and Paradise Saarbrucken. Artemis after the renovation last year as well. At least not worse looking than Scandallo, and the same can be said about World or Dolce Vita I suppose. Not sure how the Hamburg clubs would compare.
This is just from an interior perspective of course.
As the European scene comes under Romanian domination, the West comes down to Brazilians vs Romanians.But the 'west' and 'east' are nothing but political ideas. We can just as well group the world into continents: Eurasia, Africa, Oceania, Americas. And by this definition, Germany and Japan would be grouped together in Eurasia.
I don't think I'm generalizing too much to say the Brazilian aesthetic tends towards slightly thicker gals and with a true Brasileira bunda (butt). I say this based on two things: If you follow #brasileira on Instagram you will see it tends toward thicker but not fat, and very pretty girls. If you go to photoacompanhantes (the best FL WG site) they all lead with ass pics! Only in Brazil!
For my money I discovered the charm of the Brasileira bunda but attached on a slim frame. This is an amazing freak of nature. Of the ten girls I saw, both Duda and Eduarda had this unique feature -- super tiny feminine frame and a tiny waist and this substantial, round, but not fat, Bunda. It is truly amazing to do doggie with your hands on this tiny waist and then this copious bunda to pound against. Just as Kate at Globe is a freak of nature with her slimness (but not skinny! So too are these slim girls with the Brasileira bunda. I rather grew to love it.
Here is a good example.Yeah, I've seen it. I must agree some can look quite good. But to me it is mainly a shape issue. Not a size issue. And in that regard for averages I don't find the Brazilians to either be above nor below Romanians. Most girls at #brasileira falls under the fat category instead of shapy category in my book though. But I have noticed that usually most of the fat goes away when they are bent in doggy. So I guess we can stretch that definition a bit. The biggest butts you do find in Angola / Namibia though. And a bit among the igbo in Nigeria. But there the frame is also larger.
Also if I have eaten a lot lately and gained a few kg in weight, I tend to prefer girls with a bit thicker legs and ass. Still needing to be shapey and not fat. So I have concluded this is just about the eye of the beholder.
I usually just go by the presumption that if a girl has a cute face, that face's characteristics are in a way mirrored in the shape of their butt. So I don't always even have to check out their butt first. And it seems to be so in close to 100% of the cases. One girl here for example from Dominican Republic has a type of face that makes me think she also has a well shaped butt. While the other picture has a Thai gogo dancer I knew who had an incredible shaped butt. But her face was a bit too cute perhaps. If that is even a thing.
I looked a bit more on the instagram hashtag you mentionned and did find some girls with great shaped butts:
Karinaa. Cardosoo.
Nicksvieiraoficial.
Costagabi_.
The last one being on the edge perhaps for muscles. There is a trend among the butts I agree, but I don't know if it is more diverse than say among Romanians.
I usually just go by the presumption that if a girl has a cute face, that face's characteristics are in a way mirrored in the shape of their butt. So I don't always even have to check out their butt first. And it seems to be so in close to 100% of the cases.....What an extraordinary assumption. I for one have come to assume zero correlation between a pretty face and other parts of a woman's body. All too often have I had to give up on a pretty face as soon as the girl stood up and I could catch a glimpse of her backside. Meanwhile, plenty of butterfaces with gorgeous butts.
Where I find a definite correlation is between an FKK girl's propensity to remain seated most of the time and her not being possessed of a shapely butt. Such a correlation is not rocket science though.
What an extraordinary assumption. I for one have come to assume zero correlation between a pretty face and other parts of a woman's body. All too often have I had to give up on a pretty face as soon as the girl stood up and I could catch a glimpse of her backside. Meanwhile, plenty of butterfaces with gorgeous butts.
Where I find a definite correlation is between an FKK girl's propensity to remain seated most of the time and her not being possessed of a shapely butt. Such a correlation is not rocket science though.Hehe, I have also noticed that correlation. But that usually tends to be a question about fat and size. The shape is more genetically defined. Or maybe I am using the wrong description here.
Steve 9696
04-10-19, 21:44
Well Goldentime Bruggen, and from the pictures, it seems Globe is also a bit run down. So looking worse than scandallo.
The most modern and fresh FKK's in my mind are: Sharks, Oase, Palace after the renovation this winter, Oceans, Wellcum, Marina, YinYang and probably the 2 Austrian Goldentime's (Vienna and Linz).
Paradise Stuttgart is also ahead. And from what I can tell also Sakura and Paradise Saarbrucken. Artemis after the renovation last year as well. At least not worse looking than Scandallo, and the same can be said about World or Dolce Vita I suppose. Not sure how the Hamburg clubs would compare.
This is just from an interior perspective of course.I would agree that both Artemis and Goldentime Linz have pretty nice facilities. I would say GTL is close to Scandalo level for facilities. My Sharks / Oase visits were 2-3 years back but facilities nothing to write home about. Anyhow let's just say Scandalo is a top venue in many respects and highly recommended.
I would agree that both Artemis and Goldentime Linz have pretty nice facilities. I would say GTL is close to Scandalo level for facilities. My Sharks / Oase visits were 2-3 years back but facilities nothing to write home about. Anyhow let's just say Scandalo is a top venue in many respects and highly recommended.Oase renovated the lounge just over a year ago. And Sharks did some renovation 2-3 years ago too. With new jaccuzis etc. Sharks outdoor garden is pretty spectacular for an FKK I would say at least. And very modern wellness options.
For me, when it comes to facility, most important thing is that facility is designed for clients to stay all day long. Lighting to see girls properly without magic and hygiene of the place to some extent.
I say this because most mongers stay around 5 hours in FKK or some even longer, and quite a lot of that time are spent in finding the girl you want to go to room with and also between the session rest time where you can rest a way from girls to recover or look back on the memorable session you just had etc. So lay out and preferably bigger size venue is always plus, and hopefully some outside area where you can take fresh air even in winter, I like going outside just for a minute or two.
Lighting is important as well because many FKK is too dark or it got this disco light that make girls face and skin look too good. , I call this magic light of FKK LOL, so I like FKK where I can see girls face properly under normal blight light. This would be for instance like Artemis stairways by game machine, Oase down stairs by restaurant where girls come out, or palace first small bar where small safety box are (now destroyed and not there anymore). Piston pointed out that Oase lounge got renovated and if that is the lounge on the left side when you just enter club then I hope they fixed that dark light because it was way too dark to see girls face at main lounge of Oase.
As for hygiene, most club is clean, it is just worn out due to heavy daily use and not able to renovate, but usually I don't know any club that got better with renovation and I tend to like it as it was as long as it is clean enough, which I think most FKK I went to are.
Personally, I like Artemis set up for staying all day long, and that is the only FKK that got better with renovation of out door jacuzzi, outdoor pool and separate sauna buildings, it would have been nice if they built out door fuck place, but over all, renovation few years ago was good move that did not bother anybody during construction and after. It is too bad that line up went down and upsell got bad at Artemis, if not that would still be my favorite club in Germany with Berlin being my favorite city with plenty of things I can do during day before going to Artemis.
Other FKK I like during summer only is gt because it got out side, out side fuck places, out side sun deds to chill, separate tent with lounge and resty, so plenty of get away place to stay all day, maybe that is why place is too packed with clients all the time. If gt has pool, it would be amazing venue. It got pond that is not suited to swim though LOL.
Worst FKK set up is definitely palace and LR. Both are too small to stay long time. LR at least has outdoor area and also has kind line up where girls are somehow more soft and friendly, but palace, you got some sharky girls always coming to you even you wear the wrist bands that supposed to leave you alone, they recently became more softer thought, but either way, club is too small and lay out is designed in the way that you cannot rest away from girls even between sessions and I hear they took away the smoking room now after renovation. Now main bar must be smoky as Artemis main bar, but in palace no where to escape away too with no out side area.
I like sharks set up, but I never liked lighting there, it is deceiving somehow, it is that magic light LOL. But I always loved second floor where you can get away from girls, but look down to whole floor while resting between session. Out door pool is really nice there during summer, but somehow line up never impressed me at sharks.
Oceans has nice set up during summer and only if they have pool there outside, it would be amazing facility. Only down side is that many of lockers are broken and never fixed. The odd thing is even oceans has one big ware house design like sharks but with only one floor, somehow girls never approach me aggressively, and even they mildly upsell, it is somehow more milder than club like palace or Artemis or Oase, it must be NRW thing because I tend to see big service difference in nrw FKK than other area of Germany.
All in all, Artemis still is my best venue for layout if you only talk about lay out and the city that is in and actually most easy to access location for such big FKK.
For me, when it comes to facility, most important thing is that facility is designed for clients to stay all day long. Lighting to see girls properly without magic and hygiene of the place to some extent.
I say this because most mongers stay around 5 hours in FKK or some even longer, and quite a lot of that time are spent in finding the girl you want to go to room with and also between the session rest time where you can rest a way from girls to recover or look back on the memorable session you just had etc. So lay out and preferably bigger size venue is always plus, and hopefully some outside area where you can take fresh air even in winter, I like going outside just for a minute or two.
Lighting is important as well because many FKK is too dark or it got this disco light that make girls face and skin look too good. , I call this magic light of FKK LOL, so I like FKK where I can see girls face properly under normal blight light. This would be for instance like Artemis stairways by game machine, Oase down stairs by restaurant where girls come out, or palace first small bar where small safety box are (now destroyed and not there anymore). Piston pointed out that Oase lounge got renovated and if that is the lounge on the left side when you just enter club then I hope they fixed that dark light because it was way too dark to see girls face at main lounge of Oase.
As for hygiene, most club is clean, it is just worn out due to heavy daily use and not able to renovate, but usually I don't know any club that got better with renovation and I tend to like it as it was as long as it is clean enough, which I think most FKK I went to are..I thin you must not have been to Bab Elsdorf since their renovation. One thought about outdoor fucking, there are a few that actually fuck outside and the rest are watchers. I personally enjoy being watched but the last ladies I discussed this with wanted 300+ for 30 minutes. I remember when it was part of a normal priced session.
Steve 9696
04-12-19, 02:04
Rolled up around 10 and like a lot of these clubs it is very discreet from the street. Uber guy dropped me off but I had to poke around a bit to find it. It is in fact at the pin but only identified by two massive wooden doors. Push your way in and you will see another door labeled Aphrodisia.
Upon arrival a hostess greets me in the hall and explains the process and prices (yes it's 280 a half! But it scales better. 380 for 45 minutes is the best deal. 500 an hour). On your right is another door where you enter the club. And wow. I mean wow. This was a Thursday night and there must have been 30 girls and maybe 5-6 guys. I was stunned how many girls there were and they were all slim and pretty.
The club has an unusual format. No cover and the drinks are free. You could literally come in have a few drinks and leave if you don't like the merch. This is highly unlikely. The place this is most like is Manhattan bar in Shanghai. There are tons of girls and they all eyes on you. It's very unusual if you are used to being the last picked for gym class. .
The girls are not allowed to approach so it's a very chill vibe. I found a spot on the couch and chatted up a fellow compatriot who had been before. It was a nice conversation but before long we waived over a dark haired Romanian hottie in a black Danskin. She sat between us and we both chatted her up a bit. I was tempted but we both moved on.
Eventually I settled on Aurelia. An unbelievably pretty German girl. A solid 9 in and out of her clothes. We went upstairs. The rooms are very nice with 12 foot ceilings and a big king bed in a large room. Showered across the hall while she took the money downstairs. Clothes were shed and we had a very pleasant if unspectacular time. We did all the usual stuff but I can't recall the exact sequence (give me a break. I've fucked 5 girls in the last 24 hours and I am in pussy fog!
Her kissing was light and she does not BLS or I would have repeated. Great pussy fit, in both doggie and Mish which is rare for me, so that is a big plus. And the kisses were sweet and lovely, just not as passionate as I prefer. We finished about 20 minutes in but no rush to leave. Shared a cigarette on the bed and just chatted for a while. Nice relaxed mood.
Even though the sex was nothing to write home about there is a classiness to the in room interaction. Very sweet and professional and at the end where I had left the CH20 change she said "don't forget your money" rather than "a tip for me? Just a classy feel throughout.
Went back down and cruised a bit more. By now (midnight?) there are 5-10 more guys in the club and more girls also. Really quite packed. Met another nice local chap and we talked about how important connection is to the whole affair. I chatted with one very pretty girl. Just my type but when I talked about how much I like to kiss I could tell it's not her thing. So I moved on. (I'm getting better at this!
After cruising a bit but becoming concerned about picking a mediocre BJ and light kisser for round two, one of the guys suggested I check with the handler. So I went and chatted with her And she went off to find my girl. I only specified "loves kissing and has brown eyes". She came back with a real slim beauty -- Saskia. Don't know how I missed her.
Same ritual upstairs with shower and pay. Then a really nice GFE session. BJ was quite good though again lacking BLS but the kissing had an authentic feel. Really nice. We had some quite good 69. She is very slim but has quite meaty pussy lips. I'd not DATYed that before and it was really quite nice. We had to go to a hand job lotion finish, which speaks a little to her solid but not spectacular BJ but really a very nice session -- 45 minutes at 380. I took her WhatsApp contact deets. Nice girl. Would repeat.
So that is Aphrodisia. Expensive yes. Pretty girls yes. Classy yes. Sex pretty good based on two samples. All in all a fun experience if you have money to burn and like the "bar pickup" simulated experience. Would repeat but only for the variety.
NB: To both girls credit I'the forgotten to take my Vitamin V and they kept me hard and engaged throughout.
I've been reading different posts asking about Easter holiday. It's good to know that Romanians celebrate Orthodox Easter, not Catholic Easter. It seems like majority of the world celebrates Catholic Easter, not the Orthodox one. Do the Romanians really go home few days before the Orthodox Easter Sunday just to go to churches and then come back immediately after that? Is that their normal annual routine? Does it make any logistical sense at all? I never thought of Romania as a religious country. I don't feel that Romanians are that religious based on countless conversation I had with them over the years. They never once brought up religion. It's hard to believe that the ones working at FKK clubs are that religious. Otherwise, I wouldn't think they would work at these places. No?
I thin you must not have been to Bab Elsdorf since their renovation. One thought about outdoor fucking, there are a few that actually fuck outside and the rest are watchers. I personally enjoy being watched but the last ladies I discussed this with wanted 300+ for 30 minutes. I remember when it was part of a normal priced session.No I have not been there yet, but I may try to go at one point, thanks.
I do like to fuck out side because it is rather unusual thing to do and also I love the fresh open air freedom vibe of such session and somehow mother nature twist to it since we human at one point just lived and fucked in open air. The only place I tried that in FKK are in gt and also sharks.
In GT, tents out side are protected all around beside the side facing forest, so it is always keep that open during summer and no voyeur. I prefer it without people watching me fucking LOL. Tents in Gt seems more solid and better than Oase tents out side if Oase did not renew the out door tents.
In Sharks, I did it in this bed on the left side of swimming pool in fake mini forest kinda place, but girl and I spotted spooky bald man between the mini trees, so we decided to continue the session in room LOL.
I also heard other places with out side like world etc where it got good garden to fuck, but it is not must thing for me, though it is nice refreshing thing to fuck out door.
I only had out side sex twice in my private life with normal girlfriends in my life, so FKK with outdoor fuck places are always plus for me and I tend to like to fuck in more blighter room than dim dark room of FKK. I tend to remember session better and engraved into my memory more when the place where I am fucking has more light.
As for Globe Zurich, I thought that I kind of like it if they let roof top terrace where you can go up with elevator to be out door fuck place where you can go up with key only, then it would be nice top terrace room with open air to fuck girl, but then globe will not have open air space where we can rest between session, but such private open air space would have been nice.
Also Artemis got open air balconies that are now closed, it is too bad because they could have used that balcony for nice open air session place as well.
I've been reading different posts asking about Easter holiday. It's good to know that Romanians celebrate Orthodox Easter, not Catholic Easter. It seems like majority of the world celebrates Catholic Easter, not the Orthodox one. Do the Romanians really go home few days before the Orthodox Easter Sunday just to go to churches and then come back immediately after that? Is that their normal annual routine? Does it make any logistical sense at all? I never thought of Romania as a religious country. I don't feel that Romanians are that religious based on countless conversation I had with them over the years. They never once brought up religion. It's hard to believe that the ones working at FKK clubs are that religious. Otherwise, I wouldn't think they would work at these places. No?From the Romanians I know, both from clubs and outside, there is a strong family connection and many families are religious and or celebrate the major religious holidays. My belief, the ladies go home to spend time with family. Easter is one holiday where people living in foreign countries, in the cities, etc. All return home for the holiday. This includes ladies working in Sauna Clubs.
I've been reading different posts asking about Easter holiday. It's good to know that Romanians celebrate Orthodox Easter, not Catholic Easter. It seems like majority of the world celebrates Catholic Easter, not the Orthodox one. Do the Romanians really go home few days before the Orthodox Easter Sunday just to go to churches and then come back immediately after that? Is that their normal annual routine? Does it make any logistical sense at all? I never thought of Romania as a religious country. I don't feel that Romanians are that religious based on countless conversation I had with them over the years. They never once brought up religion. It's hard to believe that the ones working at FKK clubs are that religious. Otherwise, I wouldn't think they would work at these places. No?This is odd, but based on my experiences, which is each time when I went to Germany in July or August, when it is supposed to be low season for FKK, I found my most stunning looking girls of FKK. This is only Artemis experience because few times I went in July or August were all to Artemis only, but I found many stunners, but limited numbers of girls. My understanding is that during summer the club try to recruit from other clubs much more strongly to fill in absent girls, so girls who works at other clubs come much more than usual time to Artemis, so it increased the probability of bumping into stunning beauty during summer low months. I don't know how it is for other FKK though.
GT in end of June period was really good for line up too, but the club was packed with clients that it was really hard to catch some of the girls due to constant occupancy.
I tend to believe line up is just merely luck, but to zincs it, summer months are somehow more lucky month for line up for me. Even though, many girls tell me colder months are better for line up. It was not exactly the case for me.
Dasisextra
04-12-19, 07:52
Does it make any logistical sense at all? I never thought of Romania as a religious country. I don't feel that Romanians are that religious based on countless conversation I had with them over the years. They never once brought up religion. It's hard to believe that the ones working at FKK clubs are that religious. Otherwise, I wouldn't think they would work at these places. No?The RTC BB CIP girls pray for crop failure.
Member #4636
04-12-19, 15:21
I've been reading different posts asking about Easter holiday. It's good to know that Romanians celebrate Orthodox Easter, not Catholic Easter. It seems like majority of the world celebrates Catholic Easter, not the Orthodox one. Do the Romanians really go home few days before the Orthodox Easter Sunday just to go to churches and then come back immediately after that? Is that their normal annual routine? Does it make any logistical sense at all? I never thought of Romania as a religious country. I don't feel that Romanians are that religious based on countless conversation I had with them over the years. They never once brought up religion. It's hard to believe that the ones working at FKK clubs are that religious. Otherwise, I wouldn't think they would work at these places. No?Yes they are very religious. And yes the ones working at FKK can be even more religious.
You think the Orthodox girls sit home waiting for the prince? I come from another Orthodox country and I can confirm that I know many orthodox people that go to church every Sunday but they are evil and do horrible things all other days. Religion has nothing to do with your job IMO.
ExpatLover
04-12-19, 19:45
I've been reading different posts asking about Easter holiday. It's good to know that Romanians celebrate Orthodox Easter, not Catholic Easter. It seems like majority of the world celebrates Catholic Easter, not the Orthodox one. Do the Romanians really go home few days before the Orthodox Easter Sunday just to go to churches and then come back immediately after that? Is that their normal annual routine? Does it make any logistical sense at all? I never thought of Romania as a religious country. I don't feel that Romanians are that religious based on countless conversation I had with them over the years. They never once brought up religion. It's hard to believe that the ones working at FKK clubs are that religious. Otherwise, I wouldn't think they would work at these places. No?LU already started to decline since this week in most of the FKK, many mafia guys are going to church every week.
Chongmai. Glad to hear you remember public sex being common. Some girls used to really enjoy it, and also see it as a way of showcasing their skills. Such uninhibited girls and customers are hard to find in the current prudish norms of most FKKs.
Btw. You are dead right about the importance of Easter to Romanians. Often girls will ensure that if they can't go home, they get to a church service.Some girls don't go though, thinking they can't honestly worship on a day when they are doing sex work
All For Bb
04-12-19, 20:27
My understanding is that many Romanians will go home for the combinations of Orthodox Easter (4/26) and May Day (5/1) holidays. Will they come back to the FKK clubs on 5/1 or 5/2? Any senior members have the experience in the past for this period of lacking of Romanians in the clubs? That information is important for peoples plan to visit during this period.
Yes they are very religious. And yes the ones working at FKK can be even more religious.
You think the Orthodox girls sit home waiting for the prince? I come from another Orthodox country and I can confirm that I know many orthodox people that go to church every Sunday but they are evil and do horrible things all other days. Religion has nothing to do with your job IMO.
Yes they are very religious. And yes the ones working at FKK can be even more religious.
You think the Orthodox girls sit home waiting for the prince? I come from another Orthodox country and I can confirm that I know many orthodox people that go to church every Sunday but they are evil and do horrible things all other days. Religion has nothing to do with your job IMO.I tend to think the same. Religion can be medicine or poison, it is rather two extreme affect.
But I also realized that those who are more religious tend to be more horrible in their private behavior and that also go with nations base themselves on strong religious influences.
I think logic is this, no matter what I do, god will protect me and forgive me, so let do what ever we want to do and we ask for forgiveness in front of god when they go to their place to pray etc. It is not religions though, it is human.
I think religion is good guidance, reliable moral or mental dependence and it is good on the hand of rational human, but on hand of some humans, it is worst recipe, which seems to be the case for many part of the world. It is amazing how some human can even manage to twist and misinterpret such a good will based guidance that was created to keep order in society few thousands years ago.
To get back to track, I also find many FKK girls to be religious, which I do not blame them due to their harsh situation and when you look closely to some of the girls tattoo, it is often religiously related like verse of holy books or some symbol etc.
Once, I had this Romanian girl I often session in room with and she had this tattoo saying " all sins are in gods book". On her ass cheek in beautiful italic writing. And when I was fucking her in doggy position, it was so weird feeling to read that verse and doing her hard like she is my doggy and I am her sin LOL. Plus, I was so stoned in legal herbs so it was even more bizarre moment I remember and cherish LOL.
In closing, I went to Romania, not to monger, but for holiday only long time ago and it is beautiful nation with full of beautiful buildings and many beautiful church, so it make sense why FKK Romanian girls are so religious, they were brought up that way, and it is sad to realize that the nation with such strong religious culture are more brutal when it comes to wealth balance within the nation. In FKK, it is better to rely mentally on religion than some kind of medication or drug, so maybe religion is helping them in positive way.
I found it funny, when I was reading about Berlsconis famous Bunga Bunga party that girls were dressed up as catholic nun, it is cultural thing, in Japan, we dress girls up in high school uniforms and in Italy where religion is strong, they dress prostitutes up in nun at least during bunga bunga party, I guess taboo always attract humans.
Bunga Bunga! LOL.
Of the 4 ladies I contacted, 2 will be in the club on May 2nd, one May 6th and the other does not know. That's my small sample size.
Member #4636
04-13-19, 02:45
My understanding is that many Romanians will go home for the combinations of Orthodox Easter (4/26) and May Day (5/1) holidays. Will they come back to the FKK clubs on 5/1 or 5/2? Any senior members have the experience in the past for this period of lacking of Romanians in the clubs? That information is important for peoples plan to visit during this period.It depends from girl to girl but normally they don't go back to Romania for just 3-4 days, They stay longer they have their family there, some have even a child. There.
My understanding is that many Romanians will go home for the combinations of Orthodox Easter (4/26) and May Day (5/1) holidays. Will they come back to the FKK clubs on 5/1 or 5/2? Any senior members have the experience in the past for this period of lacking of Romanians in the clubs? That information is important for peoples plan to visit during this period.This is my understanding too. IME many are back in the beginning of May, but not all. I would not hesitate going early May, but if you want to optimize then postpone your trip untilll 10th May.
The number and optics of WGs during the important and / or long holiday period are less optimal than usual. A couple of main factors are as follows:
1. Some iSGers plan to visit FKK clubs during holidays like Easter, so do the local German mongers plan to visit other countries. During the important and / or long holidays, many local German mongers are away on vacation and the demand for the WGs is less. The WGs would make less money if total number of the WGs were the same as non-holiday time, so some WGs would rather not work and spend time with their family back in their home countries during holiday and so the lineup in the clubs would be smaller.
2. Many of more popular (presumably better optics) WGs would be absent during holidays because they made more money than average WGs during non-holiday period and wouldn't want to work too hard or can afford not to work during holidays. So the optics of the WGs in the clubs during holidays would be less optimal.
I don't think that they go home during religious holidays is because they are religious. If they were really religious, they would not be in this business. I had two girls from Eastern European country (not Romania), one prayed to God in front of me right before and after the session and the other put a photo of Jesus Christ on her table, claiming he is her boyfriend. But they all fucked like porn stars during the sessions...
I don't think that they go home during religious holidays is because they are religious. If they were really religious, they would not be in this business. I had two girls from Eastern European country (not Romania), one prayed to God in front of me right before and after the session and the other put a photo of Jesus Christ on her table, claiming he is her boyfriend. But they all fucked like porn stars during the sessions...And to this I say thank ya Jesus! Thank ya Lord! Hahahaha!
Polyamorist
04-13-19, 13:01
I don't think that they go home during religious holidays is because they are religious. If they were really religious, they would not be in this business.
Why not? The second most religious woman of all time was a working girl. She was the one who brought the eggs to the tomb at Easter. When she saw Jesus was Risen, the eggs turned bright red. I guess the tale has some kind of metaphor there.
I had two girls from Eastern European country (not Romania), one prayed to God in front of me right before and after the session and the other put a photo of Jesus Christ on her table, claiming he is her boyfriend.A perk of being tight with Jesus is you get lots of reincarnations. But you don't get to Move On.
Personally I always find it a downer if a girl talks about some other guy before sex. This is why I switched my allegiance to someone less clingy. Hamdulillah!
Why not? I assume you were joking. Let me know just in case you were serious.
I assume you were joking. Let me know just in case you were serious.As for myself, I was serious Bfsie hahaha!
Member #4636
04-13-19, 18:51
I assume you were joking. Let me know just in case you were serious.As I said before I don't agree that if WG were religious they wouldn't have been in this business as you mentioned. They are religious and much more than others that are fake.
I cannot understand why religion is connected to prostitution unless you see it as a sinner and not a job.
Maybe we can blame these girls for other things but not for not been religious, At the end of the day they know much better than us if they are not religious.
Well, I think there is certainly some sort of metaphor around there. According to Genesis, even the bible admits there are several gods, or elohim. Meaning several. Then you have God and Jesus being one. So big god, and his little god. His little Jesus so to speak.
While the bible goes on to say it is a monotheistic religion. And so claiming the other gods (elohim) are just fallen angels who went down to earth to have sex with the daughters of men. And in doing so, their little men, grew into giants. Another sexual metaphor I suspect. Surely the bible can be much more perverse if you want it to be.
And then finally it claims all men are godly.
So we all have our little fallen Jesuses that are able to rise again and again if given the right blessing.
Well, I think there is certainly some sort of metaphor around there. According to Genesis, even the bible admits there are several gods, or elohim. Meaning several. Then you have God and Jesus being one. So big god, and his little god. His little Jesus so to speak.
While the bible goes on to say it is a monotheistic religion. And so claiming the other gods (elohim) are just fallen angels who went down to earth to have sex with the daughters of men. And in doing so, their little men, grew into giants. Another sexual metaphor I suspect. Surely the bible can be much more perverse if you want it to be.
And then finally it claims all men are godly.
So we all have our little fallen Jesuses that are able to rise again and again if given the right blessing.Some prostitutes being dependent on religions can be common thing around globe, it is merely human psychology, when you are in hard situation and feeling weak or scared, human need something to depend on, so religion is one of it and it make sense that many of these girls are from nations where religions are strongly engraved into their culture, up bringing in household as well into their education. It is better they depend on religion than drug, alcohol, man like pimp, but maybe they depend on all of these I mention because all of the things I mention including religion target those who or when they are weak.
However, monger and religions are hard to connect unless the guy is bit insane and got these bible stories and miracles all twisted and got the whole thing wrongly to their own self righteous lust that are out of control. I do know why some monger who dress prostitute as nuns and fucking them though, some human are feeling oppressed in some way and like taboo, so I guess them fucking nuns get them even more excited due to feeling of doing taboo thing. It is not my thing to do because play, but I understand the mental behind it. I prefer girls being all nude with no clothes on rather than dress up as something LOL.
So we all have our little fallen Jesuses that are able to rise again and again if given the right blessing.Especially given the right BBBJ (bareback baptism job) treatment.
I cannot understand why religion is connected to prostitution unless you see it as a sinner and not a job.
I guess you have been to Germany at least a few times. Have you seen any Muslim girl wearing Muslim scarf who is a prostitute?
It is not a matter of me or you seeing her as a sinner. It is God seeing her as a sinner, based on Christian Church principles and teachings from Bible. If she were really religious, she wouldn't violate the principles and teachings of Christian Church from Bible, in this case, she wouldn't violate the Christian religious principle that a prostitute is a sinner.
I don't want to discuss further about this seemingly irrelevant issue, so this is my last post on this subject.
Polyamorist
04-14-19, 10:23
If she were really religious, she wouldn't violate the principles and teachings of Christian Church from Bible, in this case, she wouldn't violate the Christian religious principle that a prostitute is a sinner.
According to the Bible, Jesus preferred to hang out with WGs than poker-assed religious types. Who wouldn't? On one occasion he told a group of church elders: "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you." (Matthew 21:31-32).
Imagine the expression on their faces.
Jesus and I have had our differences of opinion, especially about tax collectors, but it is only fair to let you know where he stood.
Member #4636
04-14-19, 11:16
I guess you have been to Germany at least a few times. Have you seen any Muslim girl wearing Muslim scarf who is a prostitute?
It is not a matter of me or you seeing her as a sinner. It is God seeing her as a sinner, based on Christian Church principles and teachings from Bible. If she were really religious, she wouldn't violate the principles and teachings of Christian Church from Bible, in this case, she wouldn't violate the Christian religious principle that a prostitute is a sinner.
I don't want to discuss further about this seemingly irrelevant issue, so this is my last post on this subject.It is a sensitive matter, I understand and I see your point.
No problem not discussing it further but in God eyes we are all sinners then and we know that. If we were not we should all wait to get married to have sex.
Rolled up around 10 and like a lot of these clubs it is very discreet from the street. Uber guy dropped me off but I had to poke around a bit to find it. It is in fact at the pin but only identified by two massive wooden doors. Push your way in and you will see another door labeled Aphrodisia.
Upon arrival a hostess greets me in the hall and explains the process and prices (yes it's 280 a half! But it scales better. 380 for 45 minutes is the best deal. 500 an hour). On your right is another door where you enter the club. And wow. I mean wow. This was a Thursday night and there must have been 30 girls and maybe 5-6 guys. I was stunned how many girls there were and they were all slim and pretty..I don't know where you are from, for your standards for beauty level, but maybe I was very unlucky on Thursday 21 March, but I found a really average casting for looks at Aphrodisia. Bad start for this day because even sunny, couldn't reach top of la Grave la Meije, because of wind, upper lift was closed, really bad luck because could have skied down to la Grave 1450, when yesterday could only down to P1 2000, because no more snow below, but great now wild Girose glacier only for me on a Saturday, great powder on top and great extreme, icy run above lake, even more extreme than Verbier on Friday. So on 21, I decided to drive 500 kms, to take risk to go to Switzerland, to discover high class Aphrodisia. Arrived at 7 pm, after testing some Albanian border holes with France and Germany, staff is welcoming, I was the only guy at 7 pm, in this small bar, with about 40/45 girls when more than 50 on tagesplan, many sitting where bottles behind the bar, all smiling staring at me, but I didn't see any wow look like I saw in Germany on last Saturday somewhere where girls are low level for me, but she is a beauty for my eyes and great for love in bed. I saw only 1 small blond with short black dress who stared at me, smiling, for 2 hours I stayed there, drinking only 2 orange juice because they don t have other fruit juice, but tattoos on her left arm and leg, smoker, were not so chic than her face and not high elegance like my new discovery. I saw some girls who worked in Germany before like Beatrice ex Oase and ex Sharks, too much silicon and too many tattoos for too many girls. In Germany, for 50 € , I would have tried the blond, a small brunette in late 20's or 30's, maybe 1 or 2 others, but not more among more than 40 on this Thursday evening which is said to be the best casting day, but had many prettier girls in Germany or at Globe, History Basel Liestal, even so pretty, super GFE Miki at Westside Frauenfeld, level of looks really don t worth 280 CHF rate, Aphrodisia is really too expensive for very average casting for looks, can t compete with Globe and with some girls in Germany, only for Swiss working in small Zurich city or tourists, or maybe I was the unluckiest guy on this Thursday, so I drove 500 kms back, with heavy full balls, for my best 3 Valleys run since 2015 on Friday. At least, even sometimes complicated, great free ride Winter, taking 6 times Mont Gelé Verbier new lift, when some WGs are ready for anything for money, they could see being ready for anything extreme for passion, for 4 hours, and much more enjoyable than my Aphrodisia discovery. Have to finish in Val the Isere Tignes for a wonderful sporty, extreme with adrenaline Winter. I will return to Globe, but really no hurry for Aphrodisia, or after Globe if a average casting day. Maybe I m too picky, but my real life girlfriends were prettier.
Sebastiane
04-14-19, 15:40
OK I'm going back to Germany again after visiting Globe almost exclusively for the past 9 months. I'll be there during my Easter break and want to know which days it's best to visit the following clubs (I only have Monday to Thursday in Hessen / NRW before going on to Berlin for the weekend for other non FKK matters (though I might pop into Artemis one evening to see how it's changed since the new Law back in 2017).
So the clubs and potential days of my visit are:
Samya (Monday or Thursday).
Sharks and Oase. (Wed / Thu) or might try to do both in one day first Sharks and then Oase or the other way round if the weather is sunny!
Palace I'll visit for sure on Tuesday and / Or Monday (if I don't do Samya on Monday).
I'm undecided about whether I should pop over to Hamburg from Berlin to check out Harmony (do Martha, Mika and Melissa still work? The website doesn't show working girls anymore!) and Atmos.
Anyway my main purpose of this visit is more nostalgia rather than just FKKs (I lived in Germany for a long time) but my best memories are linked to them so I'll definitely check some out though I'm kind of worried I'll be comparing everything to Globe now.
Out of curiosity is anyone been to DV recently or Oceans? I heard that ex Palace Indira worked at DV under a different name this was over a year or two ago and I didn't get a chance to go till now!
Neurosynth
04-14-19, 19:05
Those who attack prostitutes or gay people as sinners seem to conveniently ignore some basic axioms of Christianity:
All men (and women) are sinners.
Only God can judge the souls of men by assigning sin.
The worst sin of all is to sin against God by trying to take God's role.
If I hadn't known better, I would almost think all of you were hardcore religious people by now.
Bad start for this day because even sunny, couldn't reach top of la Grave la Meije, because of wind, upper lift was closed.Have you ever tried one of the ski bikes? They seem pretty thrilling to me. High levels of danger.
Have you ever tried one of the ski bikes? They seem pretty thrilling to me. High levels of danger.I'm afraid, even still always improving my technique, to be able to control, but attracted by danger, when I was asked on Friday if I would run my 2 extreme Verbier spots whole day, when I was in lift. I went for 4 runs, 2 for last year, I never thought I would be able, but I did 5 , because I didn t like my third, and I could more, but it would have been dangerous risk to break myself and even after extreme la Grave on Saturday, my tour is not finished yet. I climb with bicycle on Summer and look forward next Summer as soon ski will be finished, but don t know about your ski bike. But I know and experienced again, with passion You can do more than what seem impossible, even when others tell You it s impossible to achieve, but they don t know for You because they are not You. My way to go beyond limits, to improve and enjoy.
I wish your holidays are good, some of your girls at your home, asked me about You. When I was so frustrated for 1 year about my final I missed on last Winter, I already made my double final, also extended La Grave to 2 Alps crossing twice Girose glacier, will keep on working hard to make my Winter being really great, and found a new dreamed girl, but she will have to wait for after ski. Kate and EMA already had to wait for after ski.
OK I'm going back to Germany again after visiting Globe almost exclusively for the past 9 months. I'll be there during my Easter break and want to know which days it's best to visit the following clubs (I only have Monday to Thursday in Hessen / NRW before going on to Berlin for the weekend for other non FKK matters (though I might pop into Artemis one evening to see how it's changed since the new Law back in 2017).
So the clubs and potential days of my visit are:
Samya (Monday or Thursday).
Sharks and Oase. (Wed / Thu) or might try to do both in one day first Sharks and then Oase or the other way round if the weather is sunny!
Palace I'll visit for sure on Tuesday and / Or Monday (if I don't do Samya on Monday).
I'm undecided about whether I should pop over to Hamburg from Berlin to check out Harmony (do Martha, Mika and Melissa still work? The website doesn't show working girls anymore!) and Atmos!Samya on Thursday after 6 pm.
On Wednesday, Sharks or Oase.
Palace have 50 € entry before 5 pm, but wake up after 7 pm, even German Kylie works early. Ukrainian Anastasia doesn't start too late.
Samya on Thursday after 6 pm.
On Wednesday, Sharks or Oase.
Palace have 50 entry before 5 pm, but wake up after 7 pm, even German Kylie works early. Ukrainian Anastasia doesn't start too late.What time does Kylie works now, from 11 AM or? She used to be after 8 girl.
BigBuddy69
04-15-19, 07:19
Have you ever tried one of the ski bikes? They seem pretty thrilling to me. High levels of danger.I heard they rent some of those nice little toys in neuss skihalle. Must be pretty hardcore!
Hello friends,
In two weeks I will fly to Frankfurt and I would like to visit 3 FKK clubs.
I have good experience with the Sharks and on the other hand I have had a less-good-experiences at the Oase and the Palace (too much upselling and every request is defined as "Extra" which raises the price from 50 to 100).
I've read many posts here and I've managed to understand that apart from the Sharks, it's worth a visit to Mainhatan. Indeed?
I would be happy to get recommendations for other FKK clubs with a good lineup and fair treatment from the girls.
Something like Samia and the Living Room at NRW.
Many thanks.
What time does Kylie works now, from 11 AM or? She used to be after 8 girl.She was already when I arrived at 5 pm for entry 50. She left at 9 pm.
Member #4636
04-15-19, 20:34
What time does Kylie works now, from 11 AM or? She used to be after 8 girl.Last 3 times I went she was there and I entered around 21.00. I am not sure how long she was there maybe not till late.
I heard they rent some of those nice little toys in neuss skihalle. Must be pretty hardcore!I saw when I leave LR on autobahn, indication for Neuss skihalle. After ridiculous Dome in Dubai desert where Sheikh Al Makhtoum wanted a Worldcup race, but Gunther Oara just laughed, so after extreme Verbier, even more extreme la Grave la Meije, as soon I succeed to finish my great Winter 2019 free ride tour, I will go to Neuss for my final with closed eyes, straight down playing blind. Germany have some great skier: Viky Rebensburg of course, Felix Neureuther even just retired, Tomas Dressen even injured, Stefan Lutz, Josef Ferstl, Andreas Sanders, do they train at Neuss? Or maybe Dubai?
Any recommendations for around Dusseldorf late Tuesday and Wednesday around 11 pm-12 am arrival? Been to LR too many times and Goldentime is closed at 1. Interested in early to mid 20's nice optics and thin. Could you also include the price of entrance and service thanks. I've only had experience w / YY, GT, LR, Samya.
She was already when I arrived at 5 pm for entry 50. She left at 9 pm.Bit like Stella, she worked only after 8 pm, but toward end of her career in FKK, she began from morning shift like at noon.
Bit like Stella, she worked only after 8 pm, but toward end of her career in FKK, she began from morning shift like at noon.I remember Stella working in the afternoon on my 10 May 2014 Palace discovery, low level WG telling she doesn't sell love, when a superb, chic Romanian sold me love at 4. 30 am at World on that night. On next Saturday, I forgot Stella, but was back at World for love as I asked her if she would work, have sometimes love 3 times on night with her. Sweet kisser.
I'm afraid, even still always improving my technique, to be able to control, but attracted by danger, when I was asked on Friday if I would run my 2 extreme Verbier spots whole day, when I was in lift. I went for 4 runs, 2 for last year, I never thought I would be able, but I did 5 , because I didn t like my third, and I could more, but it would have been dangerous risk to break myself and even after extreme la Grave on Saturday, my tour is not finished yet. I climb with bicycle on Summer and look forward next Summer as soon ski will be finished, but don t know about your ski bike. But I know and experienced again, with passion You can do more than what seem impossible, even when others tell You it s impossible to achieve, but they don t know for You because they are not You. My way to go beyond limits, to improve and enjoy.
I wish your holidays are good, some of your girls at your home, asked me about You. When I was so frustrated for 1 year about my final I missed on last Winter, I already made my double final, also extended La Grave to 2 Alps crossing twice Girose glacier, will keep on working hard to make my Winter being really great, and found a new dreamed girl, but she will have to wait for after ski. Kate and EMA already had to wait for after ski.For your all over German speaking part of FKK car trips almost every weekend, Lancer Evolution or WRX STI is recommended, if properly tuned, one can have adrenaline on the road with one of those two rally car, on the slope with your ski and finally in the FKK on your woman type girls LOL!
Neurosynth
04-16-19, 05:10
Remember back when almost everyone was freaking out about "the new law" and predicting AO / BBFS would be dead, and BBBJ's would be very rare, and guys would be risking arrest and huge fines?
I should have taken bets.
Remember back when almost everyone was freaking out about "the new law" and predicting AO / BBFS would be dead, and BBBJ's would be very rare, and guys would be risking arrest and huge fines?
I should have taken bets.Yeah, me too should have taken bets.
AO / BBFS is happening in the mainstream clubs more after the law, though mostly with the younger girls who started after the law. Funny that it's not extra with them but older hags think they can charge extra even for BBBJ. Go figure!
Yeah, me too should have taken bets.
AO / BBFS is happening in the mainstream clubs more after the law, though mostly with the younger girls who started after the law. Funny that it's not extra with them but older hags think they can charge extra even for BBBJ. Go figure!.I think most mongers were not freaking out about no BBBJ after new law, but most mongers were freaking out that girls will use new law to charge you extra for BBBJ, which turned out to be right, very sadly.
It still is depend on which FKK and what kind of relation you have with girls you session with, but what is true now is that one can forget about going to room for 30 min 50/60 euro session and get BBBJ, DATY and fuck in few position in two specific clubs which are Artemis and palace.
Back then before the law, I sometimes have girls I am not too sure to session for long time, but I just want to go with her for just 30 min 50/60 euro for nice BBBJ, DATY, fuck in few position session and if lucky even DFK was included, but as predicted, one can forget about such session for such price in Artemis and palace in most cases if not all cases.
The good thing is that in NRW FKK except oceans tend to be more better for service and sticking to same service level as before the law and 50 euro session is still possible if one is not sure of girl. This is maybe due to nrw clubs tend to have younger girls to the industry, so they are still not too polluted by hustling style of FKK veteran girls. So you are right, young and new tend to provide better service and more relaxed, no annoying negotiation that make you feel like you are dealing with street hustlers are not needed in nrw clubs.
BigBuddy69
04-16-19, 08:21
Try to get a BBBJ in Samya or PHG and you'll see it's not so common anymore.
Any recommendations for around Dusseldorf late Tuesday and Wednesday around 11 pm-12 am arrival? Been to LR too many times and Goldentime is closed at 1. Interested in early to mid 20's nice optics and thin. Could you also include the price of entrance and service thanks. I've only had experience w / YY, GT, LR, Samya.So late on week days, if you need diner, Samya or Mondial or Oceans or Dolce Vita. If you don't need, LR, but not best casting days. Maybe You should try escort. Kaufmich.
Remember back when almost everyone was freaking out about "the new law" and predicting AO / BBFS would be dead, and BBBJ's would be very rare, and guys would be risking arrest and huge fines?
I should have taken bets.No, but I do remember when most of us were saying to keep our mouth hush about BBBJ girls until it all blew over. Also remember BBBJ girls getting kicked out of Mainhattan. No one here ever took the fines seriously.
Try to get a BBBJ in Samya or PHG and you'll see it's not so common anymore.It is with regret, but such trend will eventually spread to all clubs, so we might as well as enjoy while old rule last.
We will always get BBBJ, but with extra cost followed by annoying negotiations. I guess what once was normal was no longer normal theory very much apply in FKK industry too.
As for good old regular girls still provides BBBJ will eventually retire and replaced by new girls who will bring on new rule as default rule on our face because even we may be mongering for years in German FKK, we are just another new clients for new girls, so let us enjoy the last moment while it last because some clubs still remain as good as it used to be for service.
There always been mild price cartel between girls and in some clubs, it works in favor for monger giving us fair deal that make us want to repeat, but in some clubs, it make rational fly in monger to wonder if it is better to fly into Zurich due to the price range being similar.
The good thing is that, recent 100 euro 30 min up sell attempts in some German clubs are not too bad, if they perform as they promised and if 30 min is 30 min like in globe. It is 200% increase in price, but if service is good as in globe.
Instead of renovating clubs to make it worst most of time or add things that are not so needed in FKK, what all FKK rooms should have is a clock in room.
Just simple clock in room would be really nice thing to have on wall of all FKK session room, so it gives hope for 30 min is 30 min and not 20 min.
I do not mind 30 min session to end at around 27 min or even 25 min, but what I do not like is 30 min ending at 17 min and I often not bother to look at my watch or we do not have to deal with some girls mysterious watch LOL.
Plus, during session, I want to look at clock to know how long I got left approximately, so I can enjoy more relaxed manner.
Sometimes, dealing with some girls in FKK are like dealing with some street hustlers and just simple medium size clock on walls of every FKK session room would be nice and such clock renovation can be done for let say like 30 euro per room.
I remember Stella working in the afternoon on my 10 May 2014 Palace discovery, low level WG telling she doesn't sell love, when a superb, chic Romanian sold me love at 4. 30 am at World on that night. On next Saturday, I forgot Stella, but was back at World for love as I asked her if she would work, have sometimes love 3 times on night with her. Sweet kisser.It is incredible how you bother to remember the date of your visit to clubs, I do not remember the name of the girls or month I went to club, but I do remember face, body parts and how the session is quite precisely.
I think I saw Stella last in winter 2016, I think. I do not like commenting on girls session, but now she is retired, so. With her, you had to go long time, then she will DFK etc. , she can be good performer and really nice person, fun to be with in room and few cum was possible too within time you spent in room, not just one cum and out of room, it is just that she prefer longer room than 50 euro 30 min. She was all natural body with beautiful face, but bit thick body for my taste toward the end of her career, she will be missed.
However, why do you want girl to sell you love in brothel? LOL. It is each their own, but I am just curious. Once I met girl and she told me that she just finished session with guest that want her to keep on saying fuck me daddy, through out the session which she felt uncomfortable doing LOL.
In my case, given that she is a beautiful girl that pass my optical test, I just want her to do all like DFK, DATY, few positions etc. I do not care too much if she give me imitating love session, I may feel bit odd if girls do that in brothel because I am fully aware that I am in brothel.
I also remember once in Artemis down stairs near cinema, where there are curtain room with semi walls, there was a guy who was so loud LOL but loud like it is some kind of torture going on LOL, it was too much that made me laugh.
There seriously are many different type of people in FKK with different fetish.
So late on week days, if you need diner, Samya or Mondial or Oceans or Dolce Vita. If you don't need, LR, but not best casting days. Maybe You should try escort. Kaufmich.How is Dolce Vita and Acapulco Gold? Went to oceans and there was too much upselling would rather go to LR but the LU is crappy during the week.
Instead of renovating clubs to make it worst most of time or add things that are not so needed in FKK, what all FKK rooms should have is a clock in room.
Just simple clock in room would be really nice thing to have on wall of all FKK session room, so it gives hope for 30 min is 30 min and not 20 min.
I do not mind 30 min session to end at around 27 min or even 25 min, but what I do not like is 30 min ending at 17 min and I often not bother to look at my watch or we do not have to deal with some girls mysterious watch LOL.
Plus, during session, I want to look at clock to know how long I got left approximately, so I can enjoy more relaxed manner.
Sometimes, dealing with some girls in FKK are like dealing with some street hustlers and just simple medium size clock on walls of every FKK session room would be nice and such clock renovation can be done for let say like 30 euro per room.With girls new to me, I just put alarms (usually at 20 min, and 29 min mark) on my smart watch when we start. I do this openly with the girl asking "should we call it a start time now"? Most girls get the message instantly and do not try to cheat time again. Few had problems with it immediately and few never wanted to do a repeat session with me LOL.
Sharks has few rooms with big wall clocks but most of them do not work any longer, probably need new batteries.
I would like some good lighting and big mirrors in the rooms, preferably in celing and at least one side of the room 😁.
It is with regret, but such trend will eventually spread to all clubs, so we might as well as enjoy while old rule last.
We will always get BBBJ, but with extra cost followed by annoying negotiations. I guess what once was normal was no longer normal theory very much apply in FKK industry too.
As for good old regular girls still provides BBBJ will eventually retire and replaced by new girls who will bring on new rule as default rule on our face because even we may be mongering for years in German FKK, we are just another new clients for new girls, so let us enjoy the last moment while it last because some clubs still remain as good as it used to be for service.
There always been mild price cartel between girls and in some clubs, it works in favor for monger giving us fair deal that make us want to repeat, but in some clubs, it make rational fly in monger to wonder if it is better to fly into Zurich due to the price range being similar.
The good thing is that, recent 100 euro 30 min up sell attempts in some German clubs are not too bad, if they perform as they promised and if 30 min is 30 min like in globe. It is 200% increase in price, but if service is good as in globe.Have a watch, then girls look if mine is Rolex, when I ski, climb, swim, shower and fuck with. When it's dreamed delight, then I let time go.
BigBuddy69
04-17-19, 22:25
How is Dolce Vita and Acapulco Gold? Went to oceans and there was too much upselling would rather go to LR but the LU is crappy during the week.LR is far from crappy during the week. 6's has probably a better LU. Aca gold has good comments from friends recently but the ambiance is special.
With girls new to me, I just put alarms (usually at 20 min, and 29 min mark) on my smart watch when we start. I do this openly with the girl asking "should we call it a start time now"? Most girls get the message instantly and do not try to cheat time again. Few had problems with it immediately and few never wanted to do a repeat session with me LOL.
Sharks has few rooms with big wall clocks but most of them do not work any longer, probably need new batteries..Well most girls are in FKK are fair to me, but you know once in awhile, I come across funny one with funny watch of hers LOL.
I have not gone as stop watch their ass yet LOL, but what I do is that while I am negotiating in room for session, I tell them OK now is such and such time on my watch and I show them, then I began talking, usually it is OK. Some time, I get funny ones who say shit like no you did not say that time, but it was this time or no on my watch it was this such and such blah blah blah etc etc. LOL.
You know, once in a while in FKK, we encounter the situation where you are dealing with real childish street hustlers LOL, I hate this feeling, so it would be better if all FKK just do one simple cheap renovation called putting a clock in every session rooms because in some FKK with some girls 30 min is 17 and 60 min is like 45 min LOL.
I remember Geraldine of Artemis who was most prompt for time, she wears watch other way round, so she can look at watch very subtly while she is doing me good, so she can divide time right for each sexual acts within given time, for time management and session quality, she was real pro and best. The record was when I asked her blow me for 45 min then fuck and she did blow me for 45 min exact, man, that is what I call a la carte, how FKK should be and it is amazing how much these girls pretty small face jaws, lip and pussy can take everyday doing that multiple time while they are working in FKK.
Well most girls are in FKK are fair to me, but you know once in awhile, I come across funny one with funny watch of hers LOL.
I have not gone as stop watch their ass yet LOL, but what I do is that while I am negotiating in room for session, I tell them OK now is such and such time on my watch and I show them, then I began talking, usually it is OK. Some time, I get funny ones who say shit like no you did not say that time, but it was this time or no on my watch it was this such and such blah blah blah etc etc. LOL.
You know, once in a while in FKK, we encounter the situation where you are dealing with real childish street hustlers LOL, I hate this feeling, so it would be better if all FKK just do one simple cheap renovation called putting a clock in every session rooms because in some FKK with some girls 30 min is 17 and 60 min is like 45 min LOL.
I remember Geraldine of Artemis who was most prompt for time, she wears watch other way round, so she can look at watch very subtly while she is doing me good, so she can divide time right for each sexual acts within given time, for time management and session quality, she was real pro and best. The record was when I asked her blow me for 45 min then fuck and she did blow me for 45 min exact, man, that is what I call a la carte, how FKK should be and it is amazing how much these girls pretty small face jaws, lip and pussy can take everyday doing that multiple time while they are working in FKK.Did this Geraldine complete PMI Certification? 😁
Did this Geraldine complete PMI Certification? 😁She definitely completed Prostitute Management Certification LOL!
She is supposedly retired now, so I hope she got her self Project Management Certification in out side brothel world, but I must say, if prostitute manage to carry on with normal carrier after brothel life, some of them will do very well, they are good at managing people after dealing with so many men after men LOL.
However, in reality, how many time did I she supposedly retired from industry girl coming back to FKK after one or two years. It is not easy to walk away from fast cash, it is not easy money, but I guess it become easy once they get used to sucking cocks and taking many cocks inside their body, I guess it is bit similar to breaking in young horses, once they get used to it, for them become easy fast cash in FKK. It is quite astonishing how human can adapt to situation no matter how hard it is. Imagine taking in fresh new penis in the mouth, pussy and anal every single day for years beside their limited holiday they choose to take, plus they got to deal with us mongers hentai demands of all kind on daily basis LOL.
Thanks to young beautiful brave prostitutes from all over Europe that we hentai can thrive LOL!
Have a watch, then girls look if mine is Rolex, when I ski, climb, swim, shower and fuck with. When it's dreamed delight, then I let time go.I got watch all the time, but some girls seems to have different clock to mine and yes mine is actually Rolex LOL.
Now that I think about it, with two rooms I did only in globe in my only single visit to Globe, if I remember correctly, both rooms had a clock on the wall.
Well most girls are in FKK are fair to me, but you know once in awhile, I come across funny one with funny watch of hers LOL.
I have not gone as stop watch their ass yet LOL, but what I do is that while I am negotiating in room for session, I tell them OK now is such and such time on my watch and I show them, then I began talking, usually it is OK. Some time, I get funny ones who say shit like no you did not say that time, but it was this time or no on my watch it was this such and such blah blah blah etc etc. LOL.I would agree with you comments about most ladies being honest on time if we were posting 5 or 6 years ago. I've seen more fast running clocks in the last 3 years than ever before. The favorite seems to be, "we are five minutes over the thirty minute interval, so you have to pay the extra €50".
My reply, OK, twenty two minutes for you to perform BJ, and I have ran my timer on my phone with ladies who do this.
Does anybody know if blonde, Czech "Gina" at Palace retired too, or is she still "soliciting"? Gina is the first FKK girl I ever fucked. She was good buddies with Stella too (who I never did). Wonder if she's still around? Gina? She had all that surgery and messed up her body!
Member #4636
04-18-19, 18:21
I got watch all the time, but some girls seems to have different clock to mine and yes mine is actually Rolex LOL.Why are all the girls so crazy about getting a Rolex? I have noticed they all have some stereotypes like one is brainwashing the other. They all use those red Londoner condoms, they all love champagne, they all love Rolex, they even tell you the same things when they get mad, like one is copying each other.
Neurosynth
04-18-19, 19:11
(Sorry for the repeated message, but it needs to be said.).
The "new law" scare should be over now. There is no reason to deny "doing something illegal. " FKK's are not being shut down. Guys are not being fined. Perhaps there is some competitive problem among the girls due to reviews, but guess what, that's *always* been the case.
The greatest danger is that by not openly discussing AO or BBBJ it will contribute to the notion that it's "special" and thus higher priced than it need be.
Why are all the girls so crazy about getting a Rolex? I have noticed they all have some stereotypes like one is brainwashing the other. They all use those red Londoner condoms, they all love champagne, they all love Rolex, they even tell you the same things when they get mad, like one is copying each other.Because Rolex mean money, they also ask you about your job, if you are married? If you have children? What is your car? They all look at my watch, beautiful they say, but they don't know less than 200 € bought. My girls don't try to fuck me about time or money, I think they prefer to keep me for client.
Fucker2019
04-18-19, 21:49
Why are all the girls so crazy about getting a Rolex? I have noticed they all have some stereotypes like one is brainwashing the other. They all use those red Londoner condoms, they all love champagne, they all love Rolex, they even tell you the same things when they get mad, like one is copying each other.A Rolex is just a symbol. Our society today needs is full of symbols. They mean differ not things for different people of course. FKK girls in general come from the lower strata of society, and status symbols resonate powerfully with them. So, a Rolex, a Porsche, etc. Imply a lot of wealth to them. A guy may have just half a million dollars net worth and wear a Rolex and drive a Porsche, and another fella may have a 5 million in the bank and wear a Seiko and drive a Toyota. The FKK girl doesn't get to see whether you live in a small rundown rented apartment in Lewisham or own a penthouse in Knightsbridge, a 150 ft yacht and have £20 million in your brokerage account. So, she can only make an assessment based on what she can see and using the limited knowledge she has.
Does anybody know if blonde, Czech "Gina" at Palace retired too, or is she still "soliciting"? Gina is the first FKK girl I ever fucked. She was good buddies with Stella too (who I never did). Wonder if she's still around? Gina? She had all that surgery and messed up her body!Hey The Cane,
I was in FKK Palace in early Feb after an eighteen month absence. Didn't see her. Most likely has moved on by now.
If you looking for some Palace action, I would definitely recommend Lara. Brazilian MILF with dark hair and exotic looking. Amazing six pack stripper toned body. Fantastic blowjob and overall great service.
Also another would be Jennifer. Half British and half Turkish or Greek or Argentinian. Really hot looking with glasses and long wavy hair. Loves anal.
For a hot looking blond with a nice juicy pink asshole then Sofia is your girl. She loves to take it up the bum. Polish but lives in Hamburg. Only caveat is she works in FKK Sharks and likes to upsell.
By the way, may hit you up in a few months for some tips on Brazil (Rio de J. and Sao Paulo). Planning a trip there in September. I seem to be developing a fondness for some South American pussy of late. Fucked a really cute teeny looking Colombian by the name of Samira at Estark Whiskeria in Madrid earlier this month.
Howie
I would agree with you comments about most ladies being honest on time if we were posting 5 or 6 years ago. I've seen more fast running clocks in the last 3 years than ever before. The favorite seems to be, "we are five minutes over the thirty minute interval, so you have to pay the extra 50".
My reply, OK, twenty two minutes for you to perform BJ, and I have ran my timer on my phone with ladies who do this.Yeah, like I wrote, sometimes with some girls in FKK especially recently as you said, I feel like I am dealing with childish street hustlers LOL, I mean things I sometimes have to argue is like going back to kid like my watch was such and such time and she say her watch was such and such time, my watch is better etc. Often they back down because they seems to still have some kind of guilty conscious? Of some sort and they say things like really? And they back off LOL.
I must say, most girls are fine and fair enough, these scam attempts only happen once every two years, but in those few time, I sometime want to ask them, does this stupid strategy of yours or I don't even want to call that strategy, but scam works on any client? LOL.
The funny thing is that, when you are polite and kind in FKK, these girls tend to mistake politeness and kindness for weakness. I think this is the culture where they come from, any kindness is seen as weakness is the culture and environment these girls brought up, I think that is where it come from.
The thing is, I am polite and kind in FKK, till these girls [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off wrongly and my other side comes out called I cut the session to 50 euro for 30 min session at 29th minutes LOL! The desk is always fair enough as long as you explain yourself calmly and you paid the time you were in the room, they got security camera to check how long you were in room, I never had any problem.
Why are all the girls so crazy about getting a Rolex? I have noticed they all have some stereotypes like one is brainwashing the other. They all use those red Londoner condoms, they all love champagne, they all love Rolex, they even tell you the same things when they get mad, like one is copying each other.The sad thing though and you are right, but with these girls, at one point, I liked to think they are doing this hard job called prostitution in FKK for their blight future, but they are not LOL. Most of them are doing this job for mostly material things or pimp / boyfriend who put her in there or plastic surgeries LOL.
Sad and stupid, but I guess it is worst personality side of women got stronger in environment of brothel. They do all this job and they often leave clubs with nothing when they retire, I only know few success case out of this industry, but oddly they often come back to FKK few years after retirement again. , then after while they are gone for good. These girls have few retirements.
Girls could use this industry as stepping stone, but they end up getting blinded too much by materialistic things.
As for condoms being same, they buy that condom from club because it is easier and safer because some clients put holes in their condoms. I use my own condom and they let me thankfully, I like my rubber thin LOL!
I got watch all the time, but some girls seems to have different clock to mine and yes mine is actually Rolex LOL.
Now that I think about it, with two rooms I did only in globe in my only single visit to Globe, if I remember correctly, both rooms had a clock on the wall.Well, yours is not certified unless you return it to Switzerland to be serviced by a certified Rolex shop at least every 3 years when you come to visit the Sauna Clubs. One of the things most of the ladies who discuss wanting a Rolex with me don't realize, along with the fact that the watch loses nearly 50% of it's value on day one out of the shop, and the models change very little over the years. The only good part is that they keep that initial depreciated value unless they are damaged. Buying a used certified one is not a bad choice like buying a new one.
ExpatLover
04-19-19, 03:18
Why are all the girls so crazy about getting a Rolex? I have noticed they all have some stereotypes like one is brainwashing the other. They all use those red Londoner condoms, they all love champagne, they all love Rolex, they even tell you the same things when they get mad, like one is copying each other.The condoms are cheap and sold by the clubs, when you pay champagne they got some money back, for example 50 euro in World, Rolex is a famous brand in Romania always possible to sell the watch if needed.
How is Dolce Vita and Acapulco Gold? Went to oceans and there was too much upselling would rather go to LR but the LU is crappy during the week.DV is usually considered to have slightly higher upselling than at Oceans. On my DV visit I felt upselling was slightly above Oceans too, but in the room it was the same, as the girl was nice. Although some of the girls at DV are the same as at Oceans, so it may not differ much. And / or at least the same type of girls.
Aca Gold is rumored to have the occasional strangler coming over from other clubs. On my only visit there it felt so bad that I doubt I will ever place my feet inside those doors ever again. Lowest among all the 20 or so FKK's I've been to.
(Sorry for the repeated message, but it needs to be said.).
The "new law" scare should be over now. There is no reason to deny "doing something illegal. " FKK's are not being shut down. Guys are not being fined. Perhaps there is some competitive problem among the girls due to reviews, but guess what, that's *always* been the case.
The greatest danger is that by not openly discussing AO or BBBJ it will contribute to the notion that it's "special" and thus higher priced than it need be.I think the BBBJ discussion has resumed pretty openly after the initial probationary period after the law, which I think was just good form in order to see how it panned out. After the initial casualties of girls being kicked out, I don't see many people withholding that info anymore. I'm not sure why you suggest that people are still not talking about it. It has been talked about openly here for over a year now. As for legality, no one that I recall ever took the potential fines seriously.
AO has always been and probably should remain a closed topic in non AO clubs. Clubs definitely kick girls out for providing Ao service and other girls definitely read and talk.
Fucker2019
04-19-19, 04:31
Anytime the governments of this world fuck around with the law and rules and in their infinite wisdom decide to deny or outlaw something that all people want, the only thing that happens is that prices increase.
Adam Smith knew that 200 years ago. Still true today. Was true in prohibition days and true in 2019.
The smart ones knew the German law would just make the girls charge more for the things they were already providing.
(Sorry for the repeated message, but it needs to be said.).
The "new law" scare should be over now. There is no reason to deny "doing something illegal. " FKK's are not being shut down. Guys are not being fined. Perhaps there is some competitive problem among the girls due to reviews, but guess what, that's *always* been the case.
The greatest danger is that by not openly discussing AO or BBBJ it will contribute to the notion that it's "special" and thus higher priced than it need be.
Well, yours is not certified unless you return it to Switzerland to be serviced by a certified Rolex shop at least every 3 years when you come to visit the Sauna Clubs. One of the things most of the ladies who discuss wanting a Rolex with me don't realize, along with the fact that the watch loses nearly 50% of it's value on day one out of the shop, and the models change very little over the years. The only good part is that they keep that initial depreciated value unless they are damaged. Buying a used certified one is not a bad choice like buying a new one.I avoid mentioning the model I got due to anonymity, but there are some models that goes up in value. I bought mine in year 2001 when I was 21 (that is age you become legally adult in Japan) for 8000 CHF and now it is valued at around 25000 to 30000 CHF in Tokyo like around 3 million yen.
Personally, I hate most Rolex, I am more for Audemars Piguet, but there are few models that I like from Rolex because it is limited and the value keep on going up. I never rarely buy expensive things that do not go up in value, well I try to, the same reason why I do not want to marry as women tend to age and become less beautiful.
Plus, I live in Tokyo. Do you know that it is one of top 5 best shopping place in the whole world? Google our shops, we got among the best official brand shops in the world that out stand other cities, I can just service it here at official dealer and they send it back to Switzerland for service with jewelry post service that is insured and you are bit wrong in this as well because also for vintage watches, it is better to service it in Japan due to quality of engineering for vintage watches and cars, we got more official parts and better engineer for certain vintage stuffs because due to our culture of quality and also as a consumer we buy a lot of vintage high end product as we tend to like art a lot and vintage products are in area of art than just materialism.
I answered this since you brought it up, but all this is another story to mongering. What we were discussing before was not about stupid service for watch or stupid watch itself, but we were discussing why girls in FKK do not use money they get in FKK as stepping stone for their life, but they spend not just part, but most of the hard money they make on watches, bags, car or some other stupid things etc. They do not realized that it is limited amount of time they can do this job of prostitution and also it is limited time when they are actually popular as they age and they often age faster in brothel like FKK due to life style. If it is little they spend, I understand, but they spend most of it.
Also relating watch to FKK, I am thinking of buying sport digital watch like suunto or polar for my FKK trip because I tend to think it is better that girls do not see these things on you, then they try to upsell because I have been told staff like but you have money etc. While I am negotiating and I begin to now think that stop watch idea is good idea for session as a guy mentioned earlier.
How is Dolce Vita and Acapulco Gold? Went to oceans and there was too much upselling would rather go to LR but the LU is crappy during the week.I am a regular client at both DV and ACA Gold. At least 10 visits per years at both clubs.
I have visited + 25 clubs in Germany and Austria.
Dolce Vita: Probably best Line-Up in Dusseldorf. For a first-timer you will experience some up-selling, but it is not comparable with Oceans or tourist clubs like Palace, Artemis, etc. When you establish yourself as a regular client and girls recognice you, there will be no more up-selling. At the first visit, tell the girls that you have visited the club 10 times. Good service girls: Kelly, Ina, Mia and Ela.
Aca Gold: is a budget club like Acapulco Velbert. Line-up is lower than LR and especially compared to DV.
But probably among best value for money in Germany if you find the good girls.
For example: Crista, Maya and Melissa (the last one speaks only German). Very good location close to the airport!
Earlier, I had Living Room as my favourite club. But girls do not stay long time at LR and some of my favourite high-performing girls were actually kicked out by management! So every year, I had to find new favourites.
However, LR is a very good club, if you are a first-timer. You can go with any girl and get good service - but this does not guarantee that the chemie bewteen you and her is good.
Both DV and ACA Gold have a higher stability with respect to which girls are present at the club. So if you find some girls you like, probability is higher that you can meet them for several years.
Polyamorist
04-19-19, 14:01
Anytime the governments of this world fuck around with the law and rules and in their infinite wisdom decide to deny or outlaw something that all people want, the only thing that happens is that prices increase.
Salaam Fucker. And also pimps play a greater role, telling the girls they are "protecting" them. Once the pimps have a stranglehold over the market, they push prices up more and more. Everything becomes an "extra".
Let's not forget the loss of prestige that the Law in general suffers when there are clearly bad laws that everybody feels a need to get around.
I am currently in a remote corner of Asia where prostitution was decriminalised by an enlightened government around the same time as FKKs became legal. It seemed very promising. The tourism industry in this unknown place began to show signs of life -- mongers will often form the spearhead of a big wave of tourism.
However, five years ago the locals got very jealous of the foreigners coming in. As a result the "Guardians of Public Morality" decided to suppress the industry, despite it being perfectly legal. They told the police that they had free license to steal from both the girls and mongers. The result was predictable: police corruption soared, pimps took over everything, foreign (high quality) WGs left, and tourism went stagnant again.
I think analogies can be drawn between this and the campaign of suppression that began in Germany in 2017.
Member #4636
04-19-19, 14:07
The sad thing though and you are right, but with these girls, at one point, I liked to think they are doing this hard job called prostitution in FKK for their blight future, but they are not LOL. Most of them are doing this job for mostly material things or pimp / boyfriend who put her in there or plastic surgeries LOL.Yes they love material things as long as they get them for free as presents. I don't think that they really spend their money on expensive brands or doing an expensive life outside the club. Most of them save for other things. Of course there are the super dumb who spend their money as a prostitute to get plastic tits so they look more like a prostitute.
I had two girls from Eastern European country (not Romania), one prayed to God in front of me right before and after the session and the other put a photo of Jesus Christ on her table, claiming he is her boyfriend. But they all fucked like porn stars during the sessions...Were they practicing Catholic girls? I love girls who are true Catholics! 😁.
Polyamorist
04-19-19, 14:32
Were they practicing Catholic girls? I love girls who are true Catholics! 😁.A true Catholic will always be trying to rip the condom off you and have BBFS, no matter how much you plead and talk about venereal disease. That is how you know they are the real deal and not just pretending to be religious.
ZimmerBaby
04-19-19, 15:59
I have visited + 25 clubs in Germany and Austria.
God bless you for this report! Exactly what I have been searching for a long time. Difficult to extract useful info from the club threads. Too much chit chat unfortunately.
Earlier, I had Living Room as my favourite club. But girls do not stay long time at LR and some of my favourite high-performing girls were actually kicked out by management! So every year, I had to find new favourites.Concerning the lower lineup at LR during the week, there are still good performing ladies. There are some switch hitters that jump in on the weekends but this is only relevant if your interested in the couple German women or women from other countries that have been there long enough to be nearly German. Most of them are in their 30's, two have lesser service, in my opinion. The best cure for a rotating lineup or getting ladies to work more days of the week is if men go to the club. A problem may be the pace that the club performs maintenance or improves facilities. One of the long time co. Plaints at LR is how much smoke is in the club. This gets even worse when the cigar smoking team comes in. The ladies who work at LR always make me feel welcome and I like the overall environment of the club, except on busy Friday and Saturday nights. Wednesday and Thursday are my two favorite days in the club because I can see the new ladies who are rotating in for the week.
Yes they love material things as long as they get them for free as presents. I don't think that they really spend their money on expensive brands or doing an expensive life outside the club. Most of them save for other things. Of course there are the super dumb who spend their money as a prostitute to get plastic tits so they look more like a prostitute.This plastic tits and other surgeries and inks are like FKK environmental disease that spread around on girls. They usually begin with small tattoo and it spread to other part of body and in some cases they ink their most part of their body. And as for surgery, they usually begin with tit, then lip to give them duck lip, then nose and it may spread to other part and eventually some of them end up looking like a plastic monster.
It is related to time too, longer they spend their life in FKK, above formula kind of begin to settle in on girls.
FKK is not good atmosphere to stay long time and in case of girls, most of them basically live in FKK for quite long period and even their free time after work, they often either live in compound of FKK, same building like Oase, up stairs like in Artemis or separate near by building like palace, but they all live in same building as other colleague girls, so they tend to influence each other and yes quite many of them read this forum LOL.
Concerning the lower lineup at LR during the week, there are still good performing ladies. There are some switch hitters that jump in on the weekends but this is only relevant if your interested in the couple German women or women from other countries that have been there long enough to be nearly German. Most of them are in their 30's, two have lesser service, in my opinion. The best cure for a rotating lineup or getting ladies to work more days of the week is if men go to the club. A problem may be the pace that the club performs maintenance or improves facilities. One of the long time co. Plaints at LR is how much smoke is in the club. This gets even worse when the cigar smoking team comes in. The ladies who work at LR always make me feel welcome and I like the overall environment of the club, except on busy Friday and Saturday nights. Wednesday and Thursday are my two favorite days in the club because I can see the new ladies who are rotating in for the week.Locals and smoke at LR were also big problems for me.
In the winter, there was too much smoke inside with opened windows letting cold winds coming in. I had nowhere to go except for the relax area downstairs.
In the summer, there was no air condition. So rooms became so hot that it was almost impossible to have sex there.
Maintenance and renovation necessary at LR.
And a smoking free lounge, please.
I don't think that they go home during religious holidays is because they are religious. If they were really religious, they would not be in this business. I had two girls from Eastern European country (not Romania), one prayed to God in front of me right before and after the session and the other put a photo of Jesus Christ on her table, claiming he is her boyfriend. But they all fucked like porn stars during the sessions...I guess relying on religion during hard situation is better than relying on alcohol, drugs or pimp. I wonder what she prayed to god before and after the session, I assume it must got to do with sins including her sins and customers, so you hit two bird with one stone, you got sex and prater included in one session and maybe forgiveness too.
Were they practicing Catholic girls? I love girls who are true Catholics! 😁.Usually they are Orthodox. Well, they usually all more or less believe in similar imaginary thing.
They see Jesus, I see Indica via my legal herbs in Germany LOL!
Locals and smoke at LR were also big problems for me.
In the winter, there was too much smoke inside with opened windows letting cold winds coming in. I had nowhere to go except for the relax area downstairs.
In the summer, there was no air condition. So rooms became so hot that it was almost impossible to have sex there.
Maintenance and renovation necessary at LR.
And a smoking free lounge, please.These smoke full FKK main bar is actually not popular among girls too because they do not like to wash hair every day with shampoo, many girls like to wash hair with shampoo every other day or every third day or even bit more and these smoke do not allow them to do that, but to wash it every day with shampoo to take the smell of smoke off their hair.
In club like Artemis, one can escape from main bar and locate yourself at stair way to catch girls etc. But in LR, only place I can think of to escape from main bar area to catch girl is. Hmmm maybe sofa front of entrance reception where girls come down from upstairs. , but it is odd place to stay for long time facing reception. At least you can open window in LR during summer and there are many window in main bar in LR, at Artemis. Windows are shut with curtain during summer too, so main bar is filled with smoke with bad ventilation trying to take out the smoke that does not really work.
I used to love palace for being no smoke in main bar due to glass smoking room, but I hear they took it out.
I like oceans for big club when it comes to smoking because there is a glass smoking room there in side by the door to session rooms and also outside smoking room is there too together with out side area, so it is comfy to stay in main bar without smoke.
Were they practicing Catholic girls? I love girls who are true Catholics! 😁.I think the praying one is a Catholic because she made the sign of the cross several times in front of me. I don't know what the other girl's religion is.
I guess relying on religion during hard situation is better than relying on alcohol, drugs or pimp. I wonder what she prayed to god before and after the session, I assume it must got to do with sins including her sins and customers, ...
I agree with your assumption except that I don't think she included and cared my sins. LOL.
Following is not related to Gino02 and Mr Ho's posts.
With regards to Rolex watch, it is a misconception or in a less diplomatic word an illusion of the mongers with Rolex that having Rolex watch can somehow impress the WGs. The circumstance in FKK clubs and other sex places is not the circumstance of normal real-life dating in which the girls have potential to get certain percentage of the men's financial assets. The WGs know that they are paid an hourly rate, not certain percentage of a monger's asset, and how much they can get from a monger almost entirely depends on how much the monger likes them and therefore how many total hours he would spend with them, not on the monger's wealth.
I think that instead of working on the next Rolex, mongers should work on their physical appearances and sophistication which can definitely impress the WGs. We here often talk about whether this or that WG is doable. By the same token, mongers should try to be doable in the eyes of most WGs. Whether a monger is doable or not in the eye of a WG makes tremendous difference in terms of the WG's affection and service and decides whether the trend of the monger-WG relationship will be going up or staying flat by the hours he spends with her. So work on physical appearance and sophistication and be doable.
Steve 9696
04-21-19, 01:36
If you are traveling to London, know that prostitution is legal. Just brothels and public solicitation are illegal. The big win is the incall scene in London with absolutely great girls at 200/ HR. Yes more than FKK but that is true almost everywhere. And you know exactly what you will get in the room because it's listed clearly on the website (at least the one I use).
I love the incall because I personally love being with a girl in HER room. You are having sex in the same bed she will sleep in later that night! It just seems very intimate. Here are quick notes on a few girls I've seen recently and why you might choose one of the other. Bear in mind my taste runs to petite Romanian girls with dark eyes and dark hair. They are all on www.divaescort.com and look as good or better than their pictures.
Talita - If you like skinny girls, she is a great choice. Not true GFE in the sense of emotional connection and kissing was very light. But solid BBBJ and CIM and takes direction well. Looks like her pics a bit exotic / mid eastern. Nice flat.
Kendall - Killer optics. And if you are a tit man, she is the one. Full natural Dee cups on a slim frame. Black hair to her ass. Solid service and very chill vibe. Amazing flat in nice part of town.
Rivetta - If BBBJ is your thing, she is the one. The best BBBJ I've ever had. Pretty girl. Dynamite smile. Very accommodating and really strong service. Tiny little adequate flat.
Fortune - If optics is key for you, she is the one. Unbelievable face and smile. Great large Bee cup tits and an ass that could launch a thousand ships. Solid service but light kissing. But OMG the optics. And a great bubbly personality. Flat lobby is dicey but bedroom is fine.
Cambria - If simulating a real girlfriend is your thing, she is the one. True GFE not just in services but in emotional connection. Deep meaningful DFK (YMMV) And unlike some girls who politely sip, she will party with you and kill a bottle of wine. Super fun and hot! Nice enough clean flat she shares with two equally hot roommates. So if you need a duo.
Recommend Kendall. Neutral on Talita (skinny not my thing). Strongest recommend for Rivetta, Cambria, and Fortune.
Anyways hope this is useful to some of my FKK buddies as you travel the world.
Neurosynth
04-21-19, 04:25
I love the incall because I personally love being with a girl in HER room. You are having sex in the same bed she will sleep in later that night! It just seems very intimate.Not to be argumentative, and you obviously have more London experience than I with in-call (I've done walkups and Phoenix but no in-call). But . . . .
Are you saying these women take customers where they actually live? I know rent in London is expensive, but the security ramifications of doing that are serious. I would assume that any reasonable sex worker is going to avoid taking customers at home.
Or maybe you mean they have a place for business, and while working a streak they might stay there overnight, but they also have a home (apartment etc.) elsewhere?
I just find this odd.
Thanks!
Not to be argumentative, and you obviously have more London experience than I with in-call (I've done walkups and Phoenix but no in-call). But.
Are you saying these women take customers where they actually live? I know rent in London is expensive, but the security ramifications of doing that are such that any reasonable sex worker is going to avoid doing that like the plague.
Or maybe you mean they have a place for business, and while working a streak they might stay there overnight, but they also have a home (apartment etc.) elsewhere?
I just find this odd.
Thanks!Nothing odd about it. It is like that in all of Europe. And always has been. At least since I was born. The only odd thing here is your subjective pov.
Not to be argumentative, and you obviously have more London experience than I with in-call (I've done walkups and Phoenix but no in-call). But . . . .
Are you saying these women take customers where they actually live? I know rent in London is expensive, but the security ramifications of doing that are serious. I would assume that any reasonable sex worker is going to avoid taking customers at home.
Or maybe you mean they have a place for business, and while working a streak they might stay there overnight, but they also have a home (apartment etc.) elsewhere?
I just find this odd.
Thanks!Girls do not live at incall locations. They work there and may share the place with other girls. Some girls rent a hotel room and are gone in a day or two.
Recommend Kendall. Neutral on Talita (skinny not my thing). Strongest recommend for Rivetta, Cambria, and Fortune.
Anyways hope this is useful to some of my FKK buddies as you travel the world.Thanks for the London escort update! Diva is the one and only place I go for action when I'm in London, and all my experiences except for one were great. Some of the escorts I used to see appear to be gone (Lena, for example), but it's good to hear that the looks and service are still the high quality that they have been past years, and I'm looking forward to my next London visit. Cheers!
Steve 9696
04-21-19, 13:32
Not to be argumentative, and you obviously have more London experience than I with in-call (I've done walkups and Phoenix but no in-call). But . . . .
Are you saying these women take customers where they actually live? I know rent in London is expensive, but the security ramifications of doing that are serious. I would assume that any reasonable sex worker is going to avoid taking customers at home.
Or maybe you mean they have a place for business, and while working a streak they might stay there overnight, but they also have a home (apartment etc.) elsewhere?
I just find this odd.
Thanks!This is my experience with Diva and Admiral girls. It is absolutely her place. I didn't believe it at first either.
My first incall ever was with Stefany via Admiral (Heidi on Diva). At her place I noticed a picture of a little girl. And she had some stuffed animals behind the curtains. But I thought surely this wasn't her real flat. But who would go to the trouble of staging this way? Still I left thinking maybe that is all part of the act.
Second incall was with Fiona. I fell in love the first night and booked her for a four hour dinner date later in the week. I arranged it to be in room time, then dinner, then back to the room. To dress for dinner she asks me what I like and I say a little black dress. So I am sitting on her bed and she is two feet away getting an LBD from her closet. Then she gets out two pairs of fuck-me heels and lets me choose my favorite. Now that is personal.
More recently a girl introduced me to her two hot flat mates. One in the kitchen and one in her bed watching Netflix in a wife beater T-shirt! Both are WGs I recognize from the website. Just experience after experience where its clear you are in her personal space.
Over the years I've chatted with the girls about rent and it is very high. Very modest and slightly dumpy flats are 2000 - 3000 a month. But it's part of the expense and lifestyle. A good girl even in the low price range is probably making 500 / day. The old rule of thumb was pay no more than a weeks gross income (and most people exceed that) and this is all net. I am sure many girls struggle. Diva adds at least one new girl a day. But if Uare successful, the rent is no problem. just the cost of doing business.
Anyhow back to the original thread yes 100% positive these are their real living quarters and it feels very personal. I appreciate they would share not only time but space with me.
Steve 9696
04-21-19, 13:44
Not to be argumentative, and you obviously have more London experience than I with in-call (I've done walkups and Phoenix but no in-call). But . . . .
Are you saying these women take customers where they actually live? I know rent in London is expensive, but the security ramifications of doing that are serious. I would assume that any reasonable sex worker is going to avoid taking customers at home.
Or maybe you mean they have a place for business, and while working a streak they might stay there overnight, but they also have a home (apartment etc.) elsewhere?
I just find this odd.
Thanks!This is my experience with Diva and Admiral girls. It is absolutely her place. I didn't believe it at first either.
My first incall ever was with Stefan via Admiral (Heidi on Diva). At her place I noticed a picture of a little girl. And she had some stuffed animals behind the curtains. But I thought surely this wasn't her real flat. But who would go to the trouble of staging this way? Still I left thinking maybe that is all part of the act.
Second incall was with Fiona. I fell in love the first night and booked her for a four hour dinner date later in the week. I arranged it to be in room time, then dinner, then back to the room. To dress for dinner she asks me what I like and I say a little black dress. So I am sitting on her bed and she is two feet away getting an LBD from her closet. Then she gets out two pairs of fuck-me heels and lets me choose my favorite. Now that is personal.
More recently I came home late with a girl and met her two flat mates. One in the kitchen and one in her bed watching Netflix in a wife beater T-shirt! Both are WGs I recognize from the website.
Over the years I've chatted with the girls about rent and it is very high. Very modest and slightly dumpy flats are 2000 - 3000 £ a month. But it's part of the expense and lifestyle. A good girl even in the low price range is probably making 500 £/ day. The old rule of thumb was pay no more than a weeks gross income (and most people exceed that) and this is all net. I am sure quite a few girls struggle — Diva adds at least one new girl a day. But if I are successful the rent is no problem — just the cost of doing business.
Anyhow back to the original thread — yes 100% positive these are their real living quarters and it feels very personal. I appreciate they would share not only time but space with me.
With regards to Rolex watch, it is a misconception or in a less diplomatic word an illusion of the mongers with Rolex that having Rolex watch can somehow impress the WGs. The circumstance in FKK clubs and other sex places is not the circumstance of normal real-life dating in which the girls have potential to get certain percentage of the men's financial assets. The WGs know that they are paid an hourly rate, not certain percentage of a monger's asset, and how much they can get from a monger almost entirely depends on how much the monger likes them and therefore how many total hours he would spend with them, not on the monger's wealth.That said women, working girls or not, are always sizing men up to determine how well off they are. If a guy can afford a Rolex watch, drives a nice car, wears good clothes, and has his own place in a desirable neighborhood, then her conclusion is going to be that he has some money to spend on her. In fact for some women, I guess we call them "gold diggers", the very fact that a man has means makes him "doable".
I recall this Romanian tute from several years ago who was sitting next to me at World. She saw my watch and playfully said that she would fuck me for free for a month in exchange for my watch. Well of course, I wasn't interested in any such arrangement (I guess some guys are since a couple of girls over the years have shown me expensive watches tricks have given to them), but I playfully answered her hell no, and that she would have to fuck for free for an entire year to get that watch LOL!
Lots of girls work from airbnb flats these days. Mainly cause of the immunity and simple ways of getting around the whole pimp question. Someone letting out a flat to a prostitute for 2000-3000 euro a month is by definition pimping her. So he can end up in jail. But with airbnb he lacks the information, and it is more loose.
Aside from that, it is perfectly normal all over Europe. I had no idea you Americans see this as strange or odd.
BoomBoomBoom
04-21-19, 23:44
Sorry posted this in the Frankfurt section but its better here I guess.
How will the FKKs be during orthodox Easter? Specifically in Frankfurt.
Are they open? Will the girls all fly back home or still decent action?
Thanks.
Neurosynth
04-22-19, 00:07
I mentioned I thought it odd that in London sexworkers risk seeing clients in their own home rather than getting a place for their work.
Nothing odd about it. It is like that in all of Europe. And always has been. At least since I was born. The only odd thing here is your subjective pov.
Lots of girls work from airbnb flats these days. . . ..Pistons, I'll let you argue this out with yourself.
Meanwhile cheers to Steve 9696 for the details.
FWIW in the US it varies by location and style. What are called "hobby [Deleted by Admin] in Germany will sometimes in the US work out of their own place because their appointments are infrequent. And their work habits are less than professional. (That can add a certain frisson.) High-end independents may do this, also because they have fewer dates, and they imagine high-end clients to be less of a threat. (That can be a dangerous assumption.).
But generally full-timers in the US will have some other place. The risk of stalkers is too great to ignore.
Steve 9696's post would seem to indicate security risks are not as great, or are considered not as great, overseas.
Member #4636
04-22-19, 05:22
Lots of girls work from airbnb flats these days. Mainly cause of the immunity and simple ways of getting around the whole pimp question. Someone letting out a flat to a prostitute for 2000-3000 euro a month is by definition pimping her. So he can end up in jail. But with airbnb he lacks the information, and it is more loose..So if I am a landlord and I rent a flat to two girls for whom I have no idea what they do at night I am a pimp and it is illegal?
That said women, working girls or not, are always sizing men up to determine how well off they are. If a guy can afford a Rolex watch, drives a nice car, wears good clothes, and has his own place in a desirable neighborhood, then her conclusion is going to be that he has some money to spend on her. In fact for some women, I guess we call them "gold diggers", the very fact that a man has means makes him "doable".
Maybe I didn't explain it very clearly in my post. What I meant was that wearing a Rolex watch doesn't impress WGs to do any sex act which she normally doesn't do to any monger. For example, if a WG doesn't do anal, she will still not do anal to a monger wearing a Rolex watch. If a WG doesn't do certain sex act, she will still not do that sex act to a monger wearing a Rolex. This applies to WG's service too from my experience and WGs don't give a monger better service just because he wears a Rolex watch.
But wearing a Rolex can make a difference in terms of impressing a girl in real life. For example, because a guy wears a Rolex watch, a normal girl in real life can start to date him, otherwise she wouldn't start to date him if he didn't wear a Rolex. So Rolex watch can be a deal breaker to start a romantic relationship in real life.
I recall this Romanian tute from several years ago who was sitting next to me at World. She saw my watch and playfully said that she would fuck me for free for a month in exchange for my watch. Well of course, I wasn't interested in any such arrangement (I guess some guys are since a couple of girls over the years have shown me expensive watches tricks have given to them), but I playfully answered her hell no, and that she would have to fuck for free for an entire year to get that watch LOL!With all due respect, as you said "playfully", I think she was joking and not serious. Even if she is serious, this would still boil down to an hourly rate of FKK WGs after the calculation of the value of your watch. Did this incident make you feel good? I guess so. That is why I said it is an illusion. There is no substance in it.
With all due respect, as you said "playfully", I think she was joking and not serious. Even if she is serious, this would still boil down to an hourly rate of FKK WGs after the calculation of the value of your watch. Did this incident make you feel good? I guess so. That is why I said it is an illusion. There is no substance in it.And with equal due respect, I intentionally used "playfully" to make it known that I knew she was joking. But with that said, the central point is not lost. A working girl noticed the watch on my wrist and used that to start a conversation that could lead to some business for her. I doubt that she would have said anything to me had she not seen the watch. And since we were both joking around, do you think that anybody was concerned about making calculations based on the hourly rate and the value of my watch? Speaking of joking, you're being way to serious! And I don't know about you, but yes I go to the FKKs to feel good, not bad LOL! I know it's all an illusion dude, and one that I like! That's why you're never going to see a guy like me trying to "date" or even God forbid marry a tute! I'm there to engage in consensual sexual behavior based on open, transparent, and fair interactions and transactions with women whom I find to be physically attractive. And that's it!
Sorry posted this in the Frankfurt section but its better here I guess.
How will the FKKs be during orthodox Easter? Specifically in Frankfurt.
Are they open? Will the girls all fly back home or still decent action?
Thanks.Some religious ones tend to go home like Romanians and some Bulgarians, they are mostly orthodox.
FKK is open, even on new year and Christmas too because lust never sleep even on Sunday LOL!
Tantra is the way to go for monger.
I mentioned I thought it odd that in London sexworkers risk seeing clients in their own home rather than getting a place for their work..Again with the teapoon: in most countries in Europe, renting is more common than owning a flat or an apartment. So weather or not you rent through airbnb, or some other means of acquiring a place to sleep, it changes nothing. You still rent. And we still call it their own room. Because they rent it.
FWIW in the US it varies by location and style..You can keep your prejudices to yourself.
Regarding the second part: The risk of stalkers, is a sales point of any pimp out there, and thus pimps and stalkers are the main argument for legalizing brothels. But in most European countries, brothels are illegal. Maybe you might want to look at a map of various prostitution laws across Europe also.
I know it's all an illusion dude, and one that I like! That's why you're never going to see a guy like me trying to "date" or even God forbid marry a tute! I'm there to engage in consensual sexual behavior based on open, transparent, and fair interactions and transactions with women whom I find to be physically attractive. And that's it!Spot on Cane.
So if I am a landlord and I rent a flat to two girls for whom I have no idea what they do at night I am a pimp and it is illegal?Depends on how strict the judge would be. But basically yes.
Again with the teapoon: in most countries in Europe, renting is more common than owning a flat or an apartment. So weather or not you rent through airbnb, or some other means of acquiring a place to sleep, it changes nothing. You still rent. And we still call it their own room. Because they rent it.Apparently far from true as home ownership rates in Europe is quoted as 69%.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/246355/home-ownership-rate-in-europe/
In fact, every EU country listed here had a greater than 50% ownership rate:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate
Mongerer88
04-23-19, 00:58
Depends on how strict the judge would be. But basically yes.Those of us that do this in a lot of different locales see a bit of everything.
Certainly, there are independent ladies who clearly use their own apartment. They are usually in the higher price range, and perhaps they feel that weeds out the lowlifes and the stalkers.
But there is also a huge shared trick pad scene in the world.
Several ladies share an apartment that is mostly used to turn tricks. Each of them stores some of their clothes at the apartment and there are plenty of normal looking closets and dressers, but if you watch closely, the ladies pull towels and sheets out of many of those dresser drawers during the shower and preparation part of the session. And the refrigerator is stocked with lots of bottled water and soda. I have been in several such apartments in Spain and in the USA.
Not sure there is necessarily a pimp involved. No reason that several entrepreneurial ladies can't share a facility. And of course, if a landlord stops in they want to make it look like a regular apartment. Often if a guy is a new customer, he will notice that she has her head poked out of the door as he first approaches and often avoids having him knock on the door. Nosy neighbors are the enemy.
So I think it is a mistake to always assume the sex worker always lives in the apartment full time, no matter how domestic the place looks during the session.
Apparently far from true as home ownership rates in Europe is quoted as 69%.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/246355/home-ownership-rate-in-europe/
In fact, every EU country listed here had a greater than 50% ownership rate:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rateIf you make separate tables for urban and rural living. And also separate age groups and sex, your numbers will change. Especially urban girls age 20-35. The only relevant demographic here.
Mongerer: Nobody has said all these girls have pimps, nor doesn't travel on their own. Or doesn't live on their own. Just that it can be a sales point from a pimp point of view. One does not rule out the other.
Having lots of water bottles and towels is just smart no matter what they do, or how they work.
Your assumption that says she would need to live full time is also not important. As mentioned before by another poster, in many cases they call it touring. So they may stay for 1-4 weeks. Then move on. Still they would rent it. Airbnb or not. Some might stay over at friends too who has managed to aquire an apartment in advance. So to share rental costs etc.
Depends on how strict the judge would be. But basically yes.It is bit like some nations law where only monger (buyer of sex) is punished and prostitute (seller of sex) is not punished. Or vice versa.
If you make separate tables for urban and rural living. And also separate age groups and sex, your numbers will change. Especially urban girls age 20-35. The only relevant demographic here.
False statements still being made to support unfound assumptions nonetheless.
So if I am a landlord and I rent a flat to two girls for whom I have no idea what they do at night I am a pimp and it is illegal?For French law and pretty sure same in Germany, even you don't know they prostitute in your flat, but you are pimping. Only Romanian or Bulgarian or Albanian or Turkish pimps are BF as say pimped girls, even some German girls.
That said women, working girls or not, are always sizing men up to determine how well off they are. If a guy can afford a Rolex watch, drives a nice car, wears good clothes, and has his own place in a desirable neighborhood, then her conclusion is going to be that he has some money to spend on her. In fact for some women, I guess we call them "gold diggers", the very fact that a man has means makes him "doable".
I recall this Romanian tute from several years ago who was sitting next to me at World. She saw my watch and playfully said that she would fuck me for free for a month in exchange for my watch. Well of course, I wasn't interested in any such arrangement (I guess some guys are since a couple of girls over the years have shown me expensive watches tricks have given to them), but I playfully answered her hell no, and that she would have to fuck for free for an entire year to get that watch LOL!When girls want you for regular, they ask you if you are married? And look if mark on your fingers, if you have children? Why a guy who behave like you with women doesn't have children? Ask about your job, and touch your hands to check if they are according to your claimed job, look at your watch, your teeth, your hands nails, to evaluate your level in life, then some say: Do you want to be my BF? Few: Take me with you to Paris? Funny FKK game, but who would like a prostitute fucked by everybody, for real girlfriend, only desperate guys who never had a real girlfriend in real life, or pimps. FKK games stay in FKK land, can be dreams, but not for real life, I only want for real girlfriend a girl who only has sex with me, I don't share about this, never, even in FKK land, some girls tell they don't want I go with other girls.
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