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It is bit like some nations law where only monger (buyer of sex) is punished and prostitute (seller of sex) is not punished. Or vice versa.In France and I think also in Sweden, prostitution is not illegal, but if police is hidden under bed when I go to Russian escorts, unfortunately not anymore golden years, I would be prosecuted, not the escort. Same in Germany, if you are caught enjoying BBBJ, fine is for You, not for sucker. Unfortunately in FKK land, pimps are BF, even for German girls. Even being a bad guy, I never drove any of my girlfriends to be fucked.
Around Hessen / NRW clubs.
Which is 10 days after Orthodox Easter.
By a hunch: should we expect a decent LU, for example in Sharks?
How will the FKKs be during orthodox Easter? Specifically in Frankfurt.
Are they open? Will the girls all fly back home or still decent action?.All the clubs will be open, but there is a very noticeable difference in girls available. All my favorite girls have left or leave soon, and because of that, Saturday was my final day visiting a Saunaclub in Germany. Will return mid summer when the clubs have a full selection and the weather is nice for the outdoor areas.
In France and I think also in Sweden, prostitution is not illegal, but if police is hidden under bed when I go to Russian escorts, unfortunately not anymore golden years, I would be prosecuted, not the escort. Same in Germany, if you are caught enjoying BBBJ, fine is for You, not for sucker. Unfortunately in FKK land, pimps are BF, even for German girls. Even being a bad guy, I never drove any of my girlfriends to be fucked.In Sweden it's illegal for the client only. I think this law is what inspired the French law. Complete madness if you ask me but it is what it is. Luckily I can travel to other countries instead of spending the money at home.
In Sweden it's illegal for the client only. I think this law is what inspired the French law. Complete madness if you ask me but it is what it is. Luckily I can travel to other countries instead of spending the money at home.Yes, also only forbidden for clients in France, but as in FKK land, I m always happy to enjoy a beauty, but without Amour Russe or Charme Ruse or Star Escort, they are now rare in Paris like in FKK land. I miss beauties.
Around Hessen / NRW clubs.
Which is 10 days after Orthodox Easter.
By a hunch: should we expect a decent LU, for example in Sharks?I will be there. I have visited during this time of year, every year for 5 years. Some of the regular ladies are absent but there are regularly other ladies rotating thru. Enjoy your trip. Perhaps we will cross paths during your stay.
In France and I think also in Sweden, prostitution is not illegal, but if police is hidden under bed when I go to Russian escorts, unfortunately not anymore golden years, I would be prosecuted, not the escort. Same in Germany, if you are caught enjoying BBBJ, fine is for You, not for sucker. Unfortunately in FKK land, pimps are BF, even for German girls. Even being a bad guy, I never drove any of my girlfriends to be fucked.Well at least, these pimps are the supplier that we demand side of mongers need to fulfill our lust in FKK, so it is give and take relationship with them and I must say what they take from us are 50 euro per 30 min with mild upsell which is not too bad, so it balances out like a fair enough food chain.
Without pimp we won't exist in FKK and without us pimps won't exist in FKK and money we give in exchange for girls they supply are fair enough, so it is so far so good.
Fucker2019
04-25-19, 19:13
You make good points. It does not make sense to be bashing the so called pimps when mongers are the only market for the work done by these pimps. Didn't we learn that people in glass houses should not be hurling boulders at other people?
Well at least, these pimps are the supplier that we demand side of mongers need to fulfill our lust in FKK, so it is give and take relationship with them and I must say what they take from us are 50 euro per 30 min with mild upsell which is not too bad, so it balances out like a fair enough food chain.
Without pimp we won't exist in FKK and without us pimps won't exist in FKK and money we give in exchange for girls they supply are fair enough, so it is so far so good.
Polyamorist
04-25-19, 20:05
Well at least, these pimps are the supplier that we demand side of mongers need to fulfill our lust in FKK, so it is give and take relationship with them and I must say what they take from us are 50 euro per 30 min with mild upsell which is not too bad, so it balances out like a fair enough food chain.
Without pimp we won't exist in FKK and without us pimps won't exist in FKK and money we give in exchange for girls they supply are fair enough, so it is so far so good.Salaam Ho-san. I am known for disagreeing with this idea.
If the pimps weren't stuffing the FKKs with their drones, there would be more room for independent freelancers, the true quality.
The aim of middlemen everywhere is to "optimize" by providing the lowest quality they can get away with at the highest price they can get away with, all while taking the biggest possible share of the money from the person actually doing the work.
And there is no way a girl can show you real affection while she is in the thrall of her loverboy.
ExpatLover
04-25-19, 21:06
Well at least, these pimps are the supplier that we demand side of mongers need to fulfill our lust in FKK, so it is give and take relationship with them and I must say what they take from us are 50 euro per 30 min with mild upsell which is not too bad, so it balances out like a fair enough food chain.
Without pimp we won't exist in FKK and without us pimps won't exist in FKK and money we give in exchange for girls they supply are fair enough, so it is so far so good.On a moral point of view obviously I can't agree one world, they can close all the FKK, I really don t care, after 15 years of visits I understood so many things about the prostitution business mainly in Germany, that for 1 year I concentrate my energy and money on real German amateur escort, who are sometimes not 100% shaved or a sweating a bit when they come directly from the Uni but at least they are not those over washed and over fucked girls from the FKK.
You make good points. It does not make sense to be bashing the so called pimps when mongers are the only market for the work done by these pimps. Didn't we learn that people in glass houses should not be hurling boulders at other people?Let say it is mixed feeling between us mongers and pimps, but I tend to show gratitude to suppliers and once in blue moon they do supply us with good girl like once every few years LOL.
Freelance walk in girls are best though, but we tend to find them rarely and mostly in summer low season with my experience.
Salaam Ho-san. I am known for disagreeing with this idea.
If the pimps weren't stuffing the FKKs with their drones, there would be more room for independent freelancers, the true quality.
The aim of middlemen everywhere is to "optimize" by providing the lowest quality they can get away with at the highest price they can get away with, all while taking the biggest possible share of the money from the person actually doing the work.
And there is no way a girl can show you real affection while she is in the thrall of her loverboy.Yes, freelance walk in girls are best for my taste also, especially German ones who are rare and with my experience we mostly find them in summer low season with my experience.
Pimps mostly supply Romanian girls and Bulgarians, then some German come with pimps who ride bike and on top of that we got freelance girls who tend to look best. So we got varieties here with heavy concentration of Romanians in FKK I think due to there must be some kind of pimp platform in Romania and in Germany, I think it is more than pimp or pimps, but organization behind who built plat form or prostitute silk road from Romania to Germany. FKK Silk Road LOL!
I do wish more freelance girls yes, but many of them do other jobs beside FKK or escort, so if we do not have pimps maybe there will be many occasion FKK are empty? So like in real world we need mass production prostitutes that are Romanians and we need some hand made rare freelance girls who are more rare bleed.
And even mass production prostitute sent and made by pimps can be good looking once every. Few years LOL!
But yes, more freelance beauty is wanted, especially German ones. Blonde ones!
Fucker2019
04-26-19, 02:20
Salaam Ho-san. I am known for disagreeing with this idea.
If the pimps weren't stuffing the FKKs with their drones, there would be more room for independent freelancers, the true quality.
The aim of middlemen everywhere is to "optimize" by providing the lowest quality they can get away with at the highest price they can get away with, all while taking the biggest possible share of the money from the person actually doing the work.
And there is no way a girl can show you real affection while she is in the thrall of her loverboy.[Deleted by Admin] What is a freelancer and who is pimped? These are antiquated, quaint notions promoted by radical feminists and their brainwashed apologists.
Does the freelancer give herself to you wholeheartedly and does the pimped girl act like she is being forced upon?
All that I care is, in the room does she suck good, take the dick properly without complaining or arching her back, and does she kiss well and suck my balls? I have never seen any correlation between those, whether the girl is a free lander or pimped.
And can you walk into a big club like Sharks or Oase with the girls are lined up wall to wall, then able to tell "yup, this one is free lancing, yeah this one here is pimped?" A blindfold Pepsi test, so to speak?
And there is zero proof that somehow the pimps were away, that there would be quality free lancers. Name one place where that is true. And present your proof that somehow the ones you think are free lancers are indeed free, with no pimps in the background.
Fact of the matter is, none of us here know the what's going on behind the scenes with most of these girls. And in truth, it does not matter. My interaction with the girl is limited to the room, the suck and fuck, and money paid for good service. End of the matter.
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Well at least, these pimps are the supplier that we demand side of mongers need to fulfill our lust in FKK, so it is give and take relationship with them and I must say what they take from us are 50 euro per 30 min with mild upsell which is not too bad, so it balances out like a fair enough food chain.
Without pimp we won't exist in FKK and without us pimps won't exist in FKK and money we give in exchange for girls they supply are fair enough, so it is so far so good.Fortunately all Romanians are not pimped, but my ass still burn me when I think about I gave 2000 per month for months to a pimped one who claimed to be high class. Many Germans are Turkish or Albanian pimped and can read on them. When they change, they have to try to delete with laser or cover with another tattoo. About part timer, problem in clubs now is they have to be registered and touristic visa don't work anymore to tour like Russian escorts in Paris. Anyway, even more and more rare, even YY is a big loss about part timer, locals seemed very happy to tell me I drove from France for nothing and it will stay closed for at least 1 year, but they didn't know the free bird all over Germany, this guy go everywhere as say girls, can still sometimes feel wow, seeing a new beauty, and I was happy about this on last weeks.
Member #4636
04-26-19, 06:38
For French law and pretty sure same in Germany, even you don't know they prostitute in your flat, but you are pimping. Only Romanian or Bulgarian or Albanian or Turkish pimps are BF as say pimped girls, even some German girls.I don't get this.
How the hell can I be doing something illegal if I rent a flat to two girls that I meet with their jeans and sport shoes but at night they open wide their legs? How can I know this from before if the renting contract doesn't say that they work as prostitutes? If they say this OK I agree but, if they don't say the truth about their profession?
Neurosynth
04-26-19, 16:23
What is a freelancer and who is pimped? These are antiquated, quaint notions promoted by radical feminists and their brainwashed apologists.
. . .
No, these are simple concepts. A freelancer operates as a one person business. A pimped sex worker operates as a two person business. Connotations aside, this is the simple difference that one need not be a radical feminist to understand. You just have to be able to count on one hand.
. . . Fact of the matter is, none of us here know the what's going on behind the scenes with most of these girls. And in truth, it does not matter. My interaction with the girl is limited to the room, the suck and fuck, and money paid for good service. End of the matter.
It's always amusing when people confuse describing an act with justifying an act.
"None of us knows how the bank gets their money. In truth it doesn't matter. My interaction with the bank is that I rob it. End of matter".
The purpose of this example *is not* to equate robbing a bank with seeing pimped sex workers. So don't bother saying that.
The purpose of this example is to show how describing an act does not in itself justify an act.
Fucker2019
04-26-19, 21:13
Fact of the matter is, none of us know what drove the girl to be there in the room with you. All that matters is, she is there. Whether a pimp did her papers, provided some initial funding, forced her to be there against her will, just bought her bus ticket. None of these matter.
For some girls, it is her cousin who is already in the club that pushes to come on board first. I guess that makes the cousin to be the pimp. Of course the pimp happens to be another FKK girl.
No, these are simple concepts. A freelancer operates as a one person business. A pimped sex worker operates as a two person business. Connotations aside, this is the simple difference that one need not be a radical feminist to understand. You just have to be able to count on one hand.
It's always amusing when people confuse describing an act with justifying an act.
"None of us knows how the bank gets their money. In truth it doesn't matter. My interaction with the bank is that I rob it. End of matter".
The purpose of this example *is not* to equate robbing a bank with seeing pimped sex workers. So don't bother saying that.
The purpose of this example is to show how describing an act does not in itself justify an act.
Fortunately all Romanians are not pimped, but my ass still burn me when I think about I gave 2000 per month for months to a pimped one who claimed to be high class. Many Germans are Turkish or Albanian pimped and can read on them. When they change, they have to try to delete with laser or cover with another tattoo. About part timer, problem in clubs now is they have to be registered and touristic visa don't work anymore to tour like Russian escorts in Paris. Anyway, even more and more rare, even YY is a big loss about part timer, locals seemed very happy to tell me I drove from France for nothing and it will stay closed for at least 1 year, but they didn't know the free bird all over Germany, this guy go everywhere as say girls, can still sometimes feel wow, seeing a new beauty, and I was happy about this on last weeks.Romanians are not pimped? I always smell some kind of more than lover boys behind Romanian scene because look, there simply are so many Romanians that you can say FKK industry is supported by Romanians, so I assume there must be a organization of some kind all over Romania to recruit girl and sending them to FKK, I mean I cannot believe they found FKK online and took their limited money to come all the way to German FKK to knock on the door to work, I do thins there are some organized platform who help them and support them to work in FKK, I mean not all prostitute were tutes, they once were normal girls with limited money not knowing what to do.
Yeah these tattoo thing with guys name is funny, try asking them, they always say it is my brothers name about their tattoo.
It surely takes some investigations to know for sure who is pimped or not. And who is with a loverboy they may actually love. So not considering them as pimps at all. Then the third category is single girls.
The hardest part is perhaps to define the first two categories. Who has a boyfriend they really love, and who is subject to something else. Because this line can sometimes be a fine line too.
HB and others (a bartenders I have talked to) claims 90% of the girls are in the first two categories. And only 10% run solo. Personally I think this is a standard exaggeration. But 70-80% sure. And I have my ways of making a census that I won't tell here.
But some of the girls who has a boyfriend, actually keeps him back home in Romania or Bulgaria. But they tend to communicate on snapchat or some web 2.0 thing all the time. And in these cases, they are hardly pimped given the long distance between them. They are merely workers abroad.
And then you have the pimps you can actually sociallize with you inside the FKK's, and who tells you everything. And I mean everything. But then it can also be wishful thinking on their behalf. Many guys want to be their pimps. And then the girls laugh about it. As if they were.
So it is hard to know for sure. Same way it is hard for cops or anyone to catch people just from rumors alone.
Most of what we do in here is assume.
I don't get this.
How the hell can I be doing something illegal if I rent a flat to two girls that I meet with their jeans and sport shoes but at night they open wide their legs? How can I know this from before if the renting contract doesn't say that they work as prostitutes? If they say this OK I agree but, if they don't say the truth about their profession?A lot of thing in relation to sex regulations and laws doesn't make any sense. This is just one of them. But as it is now, stupid as it may seem, it is still defined as pimping. Even if you don't know. But then it does come down to how the judge want to uphold the strictness of the law. Given it even gets that far.
A problem with the renting laws in relation to p6 is that it contributes to pimping networks. Basically creating a stronger barrier for the solo entrepreneur. While the pimp networks always finds a way around these barriers.
The best way to tackle pimping would be to loosen up on these petty laws. Fully legalizing p6. Move everything into state owned brothels, and use block chain based payment systems to track where the money ends up.
ExpatLover
04-27-19, 04:07
I don't get this.
How the hell can I be doing something illegal if I rent a flat to two girls that I meet with their jeans and sport shoes but at night they open wide their legs? How can I know this from before if the renting contract doesn't say that they work as prostitutes? If they say this OK I agree but, if they don't say the truth about their profession?You will never rent a flat to somebody without checking their regular incomes to be sure to get paid every month, prostitutes and pimps have no salary bill, company name.
Mongerer88
04-27-19, 06:46
A problem with the renting laws in relation to p6 is that it contributes to pimping networks. Basically creating a stronger barrier for the solo entrepreneur. While the pimp networks always finds a way around these barriers.
The best way to tackle pimping would be to loosen up on these petty laws. Fully legalizing P6. Move everything into state owned brothels, and use block chain based payment systems to track where the money ends up.You can't be serious.
The fully legal, state-owned brothel systems of rural Nevada and of Curaçao have never been known for a combination of reasonable prices and liberal services. Those are just two examples, but even Germany now purports to regulate the sexual activities within its FKKs.
Why do you always think a pimp is involved when a lady does sex work.
In most western countries, the model is very simple. A lady goes into sex work, takes out an advertisement, does some level of screening, has sex with a guy for money, and turns a profit. There is no pimping involved. She often chooses to essentially outsource the booking and transportation aspects of her job by paying an assistant or joining an escort agency. But many choose to be fully independent and do all their own administrative tasks. She does outcall, and if she offers incall, she usually has her own trick pad that she shares with other ladies.
In countries with educated women, the pimp is a myth. With state-owned brothels, the state becomes the pimp through high taxes and fees and the state's insistence that it regulate every sex act.
Member #4636
04-27-19, 07:57
Romanians are not pimped? I always smell some kind of more than lover boys behind Romanian scene because look, there simply are so many Romanians that you can say FKK industry is supported by Romanians, so I assume there must be a organization of some kind all over Romania to recruit girl and sending them to FKK, I mean I cannot believe they found FKK online and took their limited money to come all the way to German FKK to knock on the door to work, I do thins there are some organized platform who help them and support them to work in FKK, I mean not all prostitute were tutes, they once were normal girls with limited money not knowing what to do.
Yeah these tattoo thing with guys name is funny, try asking them, they always say it is my brothers name about their tattoo.I think the truth is somewhere between and we will never know. I also believe there is. Kind of platform behind but I also think there are many girls that work independent. These girls have connections with many other people that somehow work in the industry but it doesn't necessary mean they are pimped. I think that when a new girl comes to a club she can also be recommended by a WG that already works there. They probably know each other from before, they all start like that. But of course there is also this pimp organisation-platform that pushes and helps girls to get in the clubs.
There will always be a mystery how the system works, even behind the FKK and ownership but at the end of the day why should we care so much?
It surely takes some investigations to know for sure who is pimped or not. And who is with a loverboy they may actually love. So not considering them as pimps at all. Then the third category is single girls.
The hardest part is perhaps to define the first two categories. Who has a boyfriend they really love, and who is subject to something else. Because this line can sometimes be a fine line too.
HB and others (a bartenders I have talked to) claims 90% of the girls are in the first two categories. And only 10% run solo. Personally I think this is a standard exaggeration. But 70-80% sure. And I have my ways of making a census that I won't tell here.
But some of the girls who has a boyfriend, actually keeps him back home in Romania or Bulgaria. But they tend to communicate on snapchat or some web 2.0 thing all the time. And in these cases, they are hardly pimped given the long distance between them. They are merely workers abroad..No, not really. Some girls we know for sure.
As an example, Abdel girls, they were pimped. So for some girls, we know for sure that they were pimped. I avoid writing names of Abdel girls for their privacy, but veteran mongers since 2010 ish know which girls I am referring to.
Steve 9696
04-27-19, 13:43
Further to my London summary the other day, here is a detailed report you may enjoy. I am always most amazed by girls where it feels totally real throughout. Cambria is one of those girls.
www.divaescort.com/girls/brunette-bayswater-cambria
Met Cambria at 830 on a Sunday night. I had been with her previously a year ago in a duo with Kendall so I knew what to expect. I had booked her specifically because I had been with Rivetta for two shots earlier in the day and needed someone up to the task.
She was dressed in a one piece frilly Danskin like thing and looked great. She is well proportioned and relatively tall, with the figure of a lovely young lady, not a skinny girl. Her face and smile remain amazing. See her video on Diva. That is spot on the real Cambria.
I had brought a Rose because I remembered that is what she had requested a year ago. And by the end of the two hours it was long gone -- when you are with Cambria it is a nonstop party of two. Flirty, sexy, wine, sex -- it's a full on GFE experience in the truest sense.
We settled in with our glasses and just chatted and flirted on the bed. So natural. Eventually we started getting more and more intimate and clothes started coming off. Of course kissing is a very intimate thing and can vary with the chemistry of you and the girl. But for us it was OMG lovely and passionate -- growing more and more passionate as the sex progressed.
We of course started with her working her way down my body to a lovely BBBJ. She did some really nice BLS and I love the part where she puts both lips on the underside and slides up and down while making eye contact. OMG. Really good. Despite being with Rivetta for two shots earlier that day I could feel some unexpected build up and decided to move to DATY. She has a lovely and tasty pussy with pronounced lips (noticing this in the majority of Ro-girls I see fwiw). My oral skills are improving but was unable to bring her to orgasm. But nonetheless we had a super nice time.
After a bit I came up for air and we did Mish and cowgirl first. The Mish was truly to die for, because she has a perfect pussy-fit for me and as a taller girl we can kiss while in Mish, which I adore. The cowgirl was quite epic as well. She of course grinds like many girls, which is more for them, than you. But she is not the lazy type. She will really get some truly solid in and out going and fuck the hell out of you such that you may cum right then and there! (You have been warned!) I do think we have some pretty strong chemistry as in cowgirl she would lean forward so we were face to face and could DFK as she rode. I've never known a girl to go out of her way initiate DFK in this position unless she has developed some amount of passion / connection.
As I had some staying power due to my earlier visit, I managed to survive the epic cowgirl and move to doggie. She likes this very much and we had a good go of it, but I wanted more Mish. So back to Mish we went and had an OMG spectacular time. Full arms extended to pump hard and deep and then on elbows face to face DFK while slowly in and out. There is nothing quite so spectacular as cumming while kissing deeply. Urgent shared hot breath and tongues and pow, pow, pow. A glorious finish.
Of course Cambria is more than just a cum and go. She is a truly lovely person and fun to be with. So we sip more wine and just chat and cuddle till our time expires. The two hours just flew by.
Later in the week I saw another 3 girls (so 5 total), and sure, each girl may stand out for one body part or one service. But for all around GFE in the truest sense, Cambria is tops. If you want to party with your hot girlfriend, and have it feel genuine, she is the one for you.
Fucker2019
04-27-19, 15:38
Legalizing prostitution is a good first step and last step. It is the oldest profession in the world and can never be kept down.
State owned brothels? God, no! Why do we want the government to be fucking up this anymore than what they have already done?
Governments simply need to make this legal and get out of the way. Guys and girls will figure out how to do it what comes naturally.
And there is no reason to track any of this money, any more than tracking the money spent on drinking beer or eating pork. All of these ideas come from radical feminists and I understand how most people are used to such ideas after being bombarded with them for years but they are simply put, bad ideas. Less government is always the best solution.
A problem with the renting laws in relation to p6 is that it contributes to pimping networks. Basically creating a stronger barrier for the solo entrepreneur. While the pimp networks always finds a way around these barriers.
The best way to tackle pimping would be to loosen up on these petty laws. Fully legalizing p6. Move everything into state owned brothels, and use block chain based payment systems to track where the money ends up.
Neurosynth
04-28-19, 00:08
Legalizing prostitution is a good first step and last step. It is the oldest profession in the world and can never be kept down.
State owned brothels? God, no! Why do we want the government to be fucking up this anymore than what they have already done?
Governments simply need to make this legal and get out of the way. Guys and girls will figure out how to do it what comes naturally.
And there is no reason to track any of this money, any more than tracking the money spent on drinking beer or eating pork. All of these ideas come from radical feminists and I understand how most people are used to such ideas after being bombarded with them for years but they are simply put, bad ideas. Less government is always the best solution.Again with the "radical feminists?" Have you ever actually spoken with one? Or read what they have written?
In my experience there are 2 feminist points of view that pretty much cover it, and they are largely generational.
Feminists from the 60's and 70's tend to view prostitution as being intrinsically exploitive and sexist. Many will say women, however, shouldn't be prosecuted, because they are victims. In any case, in this view prostitution and pimping must be ended and government should definitely not be in the prostitution business.
Some feminists from the 80's and 90's have a different take. They recognize that some/most forms of sex work can be or are exploitive and sexist. But they want women to have bodily and behavioral autonomy, and tend to encourage sexuality as potentially empowering. So they want women to be protected from abuse, but also to own their own bodies. In this view prostitution must be allowed, but not pimping, and government should definitely not be in the prostitution business.
I've never heard a feminist, "radical" or otherwise, advocate for government run prostitution. Not in the USA at least.
I think the truth is somewhere between and we will never know. I also believe there is. Kind of platform behind but I also think there are many girls that work independent. These girls have connections with many other people that somehow work in the industry but it doesn't necessary mean they are pimped. I think that when a new girl comes to a club she can also be recommended by a WG that already works there. They probably know each other from before, they all start like that. But of course there is also this pimp organisation-platform that pushes and helps girls to get in the clubs.
There will always be a mystery how the system works, even behind the FKK and ownership but at the end of the day why should we care so much?Yes in a way, some of the girls are the platform themselves calling friends to join saying how good of business it is in german FKK.
But as for concentration for romanians, I think there is a platform since there are too many romanians in FKK to be just independently coming themselves or calling on friends to come. It is business with business model.
Mongerer88
04-28-19, 01:02
Again with the "radical feminists?" Have you ever actually spoken with one? Or read what they have written?
In my experience there are 2 feminist points of view that pretty much cover it, and they are largely generational.
Feminists from the 60's and 70's tend to view prostitution as being intrinsically exploitive and sexist. Many will say women, however, shouldn't be prosecuted, because they are victims. In any case, in this view prostitution and pimping must be ended and government should definitely not be in the prostitution business..I agree with you except for a couple of things.
If you look at some of the original sex worker rights organizations like COYOTE, they obtained significant support from feminists in the 60's and 70's. Many of those same feminists no longer support sex work, or have instead changed their support to the Nordic Model. The explanation, in my opinion, is simply that those women are much older, less attractive, and have earned significant money in the expanding fields of academia, social work, and various "think-tank" endeavors. Many younger feminists were born into wealth that was spread to youngsters at a greater pace than a few decades before. They simply have no reason to support sex work since they have access to income and wealth. The higher-income and wealthy dominate discussions of social issues in the Western World. Everyone else is too busy trying to just get by, including most hookers and Johns.
I agree that most feminists recoil at the thought of state-run, legalized brothels. I have never heard anyone support that who has really studied the issue. Sure there are ridiculous internet comments from the general public that "it works in Nevada", but they haven't really studied how much those places have declined since technology allowed women to work independently and to work in small groups during the last few decades. The legal brothels are now a relic of the industry.
While Fosta / Sesta has been a disaster in the USA, it was largely caused by the proliferation of BackPage and similar low-end advertising venues that allowed drug users and a few trafficked women to advertise. It was completely visible to the general public and was intolerable to law enforcement. So the inevitable happened and a sledgehammer came down on the industry, obviously affecting even those that stayed away from the lower-end of the scene.
It is certainly still possible to book an escort in the USA Who advertises independently, and the expensive Sugar Baby system has proliferated since Fosta / Sesta. Most guys repeat with regulars, but it is very difficult to get the same level of review information as it was before Fosta / Sesta for USA Providers. And prices are even higher than before.
My point is that there is no support that I have ever read about for state-run brothels amongst feminists, sex-workers, or Johns. In North America and Western Europe, anyway, the activity is most tolerated when it is kept out of public view (the exact opposite of state-run brothels). A minority of men and women support sex work, but they often seem to forget that and end up getting their progress knocked back a few years or decades with a sledgehammer when the scene becomes too visible. It certainly happened in the USA With Backpage causing the Fosta / Sesta laws, and almost happened in Canada with the Bedford case (but everyone was saved by the police refusal to enforce / prioritize the Nordic Model).
Not only is there no support for state-run brothels in North America amongst supporters of sex work, there was in fact a Canadian legislator who listed Germany's "mega-brothels" as a reason for Canada to not fully decriminalize sex work. The Bedford case would have decriminalized sex work if the Canadian legislature had not acted and adopted the Nordic Model.
Most traditional feminists are the enemy, but so are most religious folks, and hell, so are the majority of people who simply disapprove of sex for money, probably for no better reason than the fact that they resent anyone getting some enjoyment and / or earning a good living.
The Internet creates a distortion of like-minded people thinking they are a majority, when they are not.
ExpatLover
04-28-19, 05:00
Again with the "radical feminists?" Have you ever actually spoken with one? Or read what they have written?
In my experience there are 2 feminist points of view that pretty much cover it, and they are largely generational.
Feminists from the 60's and 70's tend to view prostitution as being intrinsically exploitive and sexist. Many will say women, however, shouldn't be prosecuted, because they are victims. In any case, in this view prostitution and pimping must be ended and government should definitely not be in the prostitution business.
Some feminists from the 80's and 90's have a different take. They recognize that some/most forms of sex work can be or are exploitive and sexist. But they want women to have bodily and behavioral autonomy, and tend to encourage sexuality as potentially empowering. So they want women to be protected from abuse, but also to own their own bodies. In this view prostitution must be allowed, but not pimping, and government should definitely not be in the prostitution business.
I've never heard a feminist, "radical" or otherwise, advocate for government run prostitution. Not in the USA at least.Prostitutes without pimps is more or less a dream, it is also really difficult to define what is a pimp, most of the Romanian girls are married or have a BF, are they pimps?
Legalizing prostitution is a good first step and last step. It is the oldest profession in the world and can never be kept down.
State owned brothels? God, no! Why do we want the government to be fucking up this anymore than what they have already done?
Governments simply need to make this legal and get out of the way. Guys and girls will figure out how to do it what comes naturally.
And there is no reason to track any of this money, any more than tracking the money spent on drinking beer or eating pork. All of these ideas come from radical feminists and I understand how most people are used to such ideas after being bombarded with them for years but they are simply put, bad ideas. Less government is always the best solution.I think best solution for brothel like German FKK is to install digital currency from state point of view, so state can track down the income of working girls since German official seems to be so nervous about tax issue of FKK like what happened at Artemis raid.
Since it is legal, digital currency for FKK can be develop and this way state can track down money, house can monitor girls who are popular, and also girls do not need to worry about their money being stolen in their dormitory which happened before in few FKK where girls money box was stolen and lost all the hard earning money.
I think the truth is somewhere between and we will never know. I also believe there is. Kind of platform behind but I also think there are many girls that work independent. These girls have connections with many other people that somehow work in the industry but it doesn't necessary mean they are pimped. I think that when a new girl comes to a club she can also be recommended by a WG that already works there. They probably know each other from before, they all start like that. But of course there is also this pimp organisation-platform that pushes and helps girls to get in the clubs.
There will always be a mystery how the system works, even behind the FKK and ownership but at the end of the day why should we care so much?Right, all we care is us securely fucking young beautiful girls one after another without too much up sell LOL!
But it is interesting to know what is going on behind FKK scene.
Yes in a way, some of the girls are the platform themselves calling friends to join saying how good of business it is in german FKK.
But as for concentration for romanians, I think there is a platform since there are too many romanians in FKK to be just independently coming themselves or calling on friends to come. It is business with business model.Did you ever stop to think Romania is one of the poorest European countries, a country with a great separation in social classes, country with a super poor subset frequently labeled as gypsies, and of these groups women are the lowest subset of privilege. These women look around for a way out and chase promises of wealth and easy money regardless of education level. Once they arrive they find themselves in the quicksand of deb and desire.
The Internet creates a distortion of like-minded people thinking they are a majority, when they are not.+1.
You make a lot of good points in your well articulated post. I particularly liked the last sentence. It is absolutely true that with the advent of internet and social networks, most of us live in echo chambers where we reinforce each other's opinions, to the point we are all convinced that our view is one the majority view. And we can't conceive how anyone could disagree with our collective view and how wrong they must be to be disagreeing with us.
Pay of sex is still a taboo subject at any family dinner table, office after hours drinks, college classroom, political rally, what have you. At best, it may be tolerated. Hardly any man would own up to using prostitutes. If you are a 22 year old university student, you will be considered a loser that you have to pay for sex. If you are a 30 year old corporate man, you will be considered deviant and worse. If you are a 50 year old man, you are considered a old pervert.
Even many of us might express opinions not supportive of P2P when in group circles. I personally am very careful about steering the conversation away, and will be very guarded in saying anything on this topic. Thankfully, we have forums like this to provide support and information. We owe ISG a huge amount of gratitude on that side.
It is strange but in the US now, it is easier to admit you smoke weed than to admit you paid for sex. Binge drinking and smoking nicotine have always been OK but not paid sex. Until this societal attitude changes, it is tough to see our politics allowing German style FKKs in US.
Yes in a way, some of the girls are the platform themselves calling friends to join saying how good of business it is in german FKK.Most FKK girls I knew / know closely (maybe 40-50 over last 5-6 years), were introduced to FKK business by some friend or cousin or even a sibling sister. This would be about 70-80% of them. I'm pretty sure that they don't have any loverboys or pimps (at least at the time I knew them) as I spent hours or days or even weeks at a time with many of them sometimes, without seeing any sign of any pimps or loverboys. Sometimes the girl will give me her phone to carry in my pocket when we are in a night club so she doesn't lose it, and there was no blowing up of that phone with anxious boy or pimp messages LOL. That said the sample distribution in my this very unscientific research might be skewed as usually I tend to get hard-on for only smart, strong minded, eloquent and beautiful girls who are less that 24 years young.
I knew a Bulgarian girl in Sharks who was "helping" other Bulgarian girl "friends" to come to Germany and work at Sharks, in exchange for a daily fixed amount for any day that the "friends" work, calling it her assistance / consulting fees. I'm pretty sure the Government would have called it "pimping", right?
Legalizing prostitution is a good first step and last step. It is the oldest profession in the world and can never be kept down.
State owned brothels? God, no! Why do we want the government to be fucking up this anymore than what they have already done?
Governments simply need to make this legal and get out of the way. Guys and girls will figure out how to do it what comes naturally.
And there is no reason to track any of this money, any more than tracking the money spent on drinking beer or eating pork. All of these ideas come from radical feminists and I understand how most people are used to such ideas after being bombarded with them for years but they are simply put, bad ideas. Less government is always the best solution.1. Nothing of this comes from feminists. I don't think many of the so called feminist groups would like it considering their ulterior motifs. And mainly due to most feminists then loosing out to the prettier more in demand women. As many feminists are generally far from good looking.
2. State run brothels doesn't have to mean they would need to pay normal taxes. They could get tax exemptions. Like artists does.
3. Everything is tracked nowadays, and soon more will be. Just suck it up! And it is the only way to tackle the pimp issue. Which is the main argument from the haters standpoint. So basically by removing the grounds for this argument, we create an atmosphere where it is harder to claim P6 should be illegal.
I don't get this.
How the hell can I be doing something illegal if I rent a flat to two girls that I meet with their jeans and sport shoes but at night they open wide their legs? How can I know this from before if the renting contract doesn't say that they work as prostitutes? If they say this OK I agree but, if they don't say the truth about their profession?I don't make French laws, nor in Germany, but you can have problems if your flat is used for prostitution, even you don't know about when renting. In France, I think the only way you are allowed to help a girl prostituting, even you don't know about her business, is if she is in danger.
Most FKK girls I knew / know closely (maybe 40-50 over last 5-6 years), were introduced to FKK business by some friend or cousin or even a sibling sister. This would be about 70-80% of them. I'm pretty sure that they don't have any loverboys or pimps (at least at the time I knew them) as I spent hours or days or even weeks at a time with many of them sometimes, without seeing any sign of any pimps or loverboys. Sometimes the girl will give me her phone to carry in my pocket when we are in a night club so she doesn't lose it, and there was no blowing up of that phone with anxious boy or pimp messages LOL.
+1. The loverboy, boyfriend and pimp situation was grossly exaggerated here on this forum. I was planning to write about it, but I was too lazy to do that.
Did you ever stop to think Romania is one of the poorest European countries, a country with a great separation in social classes, country with a super poor subset frequently labeled as gypsies, and of these groups women are the lowest subset of privilege. These women look around for a way out and chase promises of wealth and easy money regardless of education level. Once they arrive they find themselves in the quicksand of deb and desire.Yes, very poor country like Bulgaria, Republic of Moldavia, Ukraine, even Russia out of Moscow or Peter, but not only gypsies are pimped, some really good looking are pimped and even at LR, for those who heard about a car wash or a car for a brother who doesn't have driving licence, incredible stories, I just wish her to be free about her money now.
What is funny is when girls get free from BF / pimp, BF when they are with him, but when you speak with the girl after she left him or maybe more he left her, then she says he was really a bad guy for her, then she has to delete brother or father or cousin or dog name written on her, with a new big tattoo on it. Some girls are marked like cows belonging to a farm.
In Romania, families can't ignore about big fast money made by daughters when sons are so lazy. Some FKK girls I know a bit, even 1 is a big liar, tell me they don't want BF because they are afraid he only wants her money, more than her when I would fuck these beauties whole nights, more interesting than money for me, but I m not Romanian nor Albanian nor Turkish. When most guys are out of order at night, but when I m so happy to feel desire for a beauty, even not sleeping on previous nights, not needing pills as says Kate, little terminator is always ready when my eyes give him pleasure. I don t need to be rich but I like pleasure, skiing, bicycle climbing, working my job and with beauties.
Did you ever stop to think Romania is one of the poorest European countries, a country with a great separation in social classes, country with a super poor subset frequently labeled as gypsies, and of these groups women are the lowest subset of privilege. These women look around for a way out and chase promises of wealth and easy money regardless of education level. Once they arrive they find themselves in the quicksand of deb and desire.I have been to Romania in year 2001, which must have been even poorer than now. I also been to Moldova few time, the last time I went to Moldova is in year 2010, but what I meant is that there are way too many Romanian to just think this is a result of someone just calling one upon another. I am sure it began that way and some still are, but due to too heavily concentration of Romanian in German FKK line up, I just thought there is some kind of platform behind to make them easier to walk into business.
Back in their home, they do not know how safe FKK is, we monger do, but these girls did not when they once were normal girls and they must have been scared to come, I mean this is how bad thing happen like human slave etc it usually is recommended by relative or friends, then once they get to promised safe work place, then bad thing begin. So I just think there must be a platform that convince them that it is safe and make them easier to come. Even to afford to come is big money for them at the beginning, their monthly income must be low end of few hundred euro per month like 200 euro per month or something, so it is big decision for them both financially, life and also safety issue because it can be extremely dangerous because they don't know if FKK is safe, which actually is, but they don't know what till they come.
Most FKK girls I knew / know closely (maybe 40-50 over last 5-6 years), were introduced to FKK business by some friend or cousin or even a sibling sister. This would be about 70-80% of them. I'm pretty sure that they don't have any loverboys or pimps (at least at the time I knew them) as I spent hours or days or even weeks at a time with many of them sometimes, without seeing any sign of any pimps or loverboys. Sometimes the girl will give me her phone to carry in my pocket when we are in a night club so she doesn't lose it, and there was no blowing up of that phone with anxious boy or pimp messages LOL. That said the sample distribution in my this very unscientific research might be skewed as usually I tend to get hard-on for only smart, strong minded, eloquent and beautiful girls who are less that 24 years young.
I knew a Bulgarian girl in Sharks who was "helping" other Bulgarian girl "friends" to come to Germany and work at Sharks, in exchange for a daily fixed amount for any day that the "friends" work, calling it her assistance / consulting fees. I'm pretty sure the Government would have called it "pimping", right?Yeah, I am still seeking sisters in FKK to do threesome, but one of them is not my type always so I always has to decline, if they actually were sisters. But, I hear that there once was amazing twins that were identical in Artemis for little while, and I never got to even see them but wow, I would love to session with beautiful twin, that would be surreal experience twin giving BBBJ at same time LOL!
Yes, I agree with you that some of them are, but I do think they get some kind of kick back money by club or platform if they scout and make girls to actually come to FKK, you know some kind of kick back fee. That would be good business model for everybody.
Member #4636
04-29-19, 07:13
Did you ever stop to think Romania is one of the poorest European countries, a country with a great separation in social classes, country with a super poor subset frequently labeled as gypsies, and of these groups women are the lowest subset of privilege. These women look around for a way out and chase promises of wealth and easy money regardless of education level. Once they arrive they find themselves in the quicksand of deb and desire.Romania is not like that anymore. I went to Bucharest even for one day and I did not see any poverty or poor people. It has changed the last 8-10 years and is still changing, their economy is going high, and they will also enter the eurozone soon.
Many girls say that they expect to make a few hundred Euro a month if they were to work a normal job in Romania. "I make in one day here in the club what I expect to make in a month back home" is a common refrain.
I know (we all do) many FKK girls who retired and then bounced back into the clubs in a year or less as they burned through all their savings, and could not find any other job that pays even remotely close to their German body selling gig.
Romania is not like that anymore. I went to Bucharest even for one day and I did not see any poverty or poor people. It has changed the last 8-10 years and is still changing, their economy is going high, and they will also enter the eurozone soon.
Polyamorist
04-29-19, 20:17
Right, all we care is us securely fucking young beautiful girls one after another without too much up sell LOL!
But it is interesting to know what is going on behind FKK scene.Salaam, Ho-san. If we want to play a game well, we need to know what the rules of the game are. Don't trust posters who say we shouldn't ask too many questions.
If you see a group of girls who are unmotivated it's natural to ask why. In my experience, freelancers are always motivated because they are earning good money.
If a girl has tattoos that doesn't necessarily she is branded. But if she has a big black mark on her body (which I sometimes see) that might suggest she is undergoing a process of rebranding. Which makes me feel uncomfortable.
Sebastiane
04-29-19, 20:25
Yeah, I am still seeking sisters in FKK to do threesome, but one of them is not my type always so I always has to decline, if they actually were sisters. But, I hear that there once was amazing twins that were identical in Artemis for little while, and I never got to even see them but wow, I would love to session with beautiful twin, that would be surreal experience twin giving BBBJ at same time LOL!.Last year in Atmos I had sessions with 2 beautiful twin Italian sisters and though they were not identical they looked very similar. Their names were Sina and Aida. This was my report:
Girls Sessioned With:
1. Sina (ex 'Angel' GT) 25 yrs 180 cm Rom / Italian.
Brnette straight dark hair, tall slender model, beautiful face, amazing body. 9/10/7. Spent 60 minutes for 250 for everything I wanted included. Did her in many positions and came in doggy. Her body was absolutely perfect and once in the mood was very passionate and also very funny although initially I thought she was a bit sassy. Gave her a massage afterwards. She has a.
2. Sister Aida 178 cm 26 yrs beautiful green eyes dark hair again. Face not quite as pretty. 8/9/9. 5 100 e for 30 min but excellent session. All in. Better in bed than sister but not quite physically perfect! Next time I'll go with her first! Despite asking they don't do threesomes together! Aida said she also worked in Ying Yang and Living Room before. Look v similar to each other so much I thought were identical twins. Both had tattoo on wrist saying 'My sister My Life' and were very close which I thought was sweet.
BigBuddy69
04-29-19, 20:42
Romania is not like that anymore. I went to Bucharest even for one day and I did not see any poverty or poor people. It has changed the last 8-10 years and is still changing, their economy is going high, and they will also enter the eurozone soon.It's still poor and plagued with corruption.
ExpatLover
04-29-19, 21:32
Salaam, Ho-san. If we want to play a game well, we need to know what the rules of the game are. Don't trust posters who say we shouldn't ask too many questions.
If you see a group of girls who are unmotivated it's natural to ask why. In my experience, freelancers are always motivated because they are earning good money.
If a girl has tattoos that doesn't necessarily she is branded. But if she has a big black mark on her body (which I sometimes see) that might suggest she is undergoing a process of rebranding. Which makes me feel uncomfortable.We should not think so far, go, pay and fuck and leave the best way to stay happy.
Romania is not like that anymore. I went to Bucharest even for one day and I did not see any poverty or poor people. It has changed the last 8-10 years and is still changing, their economy is going high, and they will also enter the eurozone soon.Ask Romanian girls you meet in FKK if they are rich in Romania, those who worked a bit in Romania before brothels, made 200/300 € per month. Families are waiting for money made by daughters.
Salaam, Ho-san. If we want to play a game well, we need to know what the rules of the game are. Don't trust posters who say we shouldn't ask too many questions.
If you see a group of girls who are unmotivated it's natural to ask why. In my experience, freelancers are always motivated because they are earning good money.
If a girl has tattoos that doesn't necessarily she is branded. But if she has a big black mark on her body (which I sometimes see) that might suggest she is undergoing a process of rebranding. Which makes me feel uncomfortable.Well, I actually heard different from girl. I hear that pimps rarely rough up their girls, they only do it very sometimes as their whip and candy strategy. What I hear is that they give girls sense of security because these girls never had any security, so actually most of time pimps are actually nice to their girls as long as money is coming in from her to sustain the "security place" he built for her.
If they constantly beat women like in movies, they will naturally run away soon or later, but these pimped girl last long time in FKK. The bottom line is that these girls do not think they are pimped, they just think they belong to gang of people who give them sense of belonging and security, which these girls never had, so these girls are actually comfortable doing this job for him.
It is strange thing to do, but it does make irrational logic.
I think it is using emotional irrational side women to his advantage. Quite a trick to play actually, pimp could be good management position if he had chance to be such position.
Last year in Atmos I had sessions with 2 beautiful twin Italian sisters and though they were not identical they looked very similar. Their names were Sina and Aida. This was my report:You had separate session? I am not that much into threesome usually, but with twins I would love to do threesome.
Threesome happen in private life if girlfriend is kinky enough, but threesome with sisters is very rare thing to happen in private life, so I would love to experience sister threesome in FKK. I do look around, but each time, girls are either lying that they are sisters, or one is ugly.
Romania is not like that anymore. I went to Bucharest even for one day and I did not see any poverty or poor people. It has changed the last 8-10 years and is still changing, their economy is going high, and they will also enter the eurozone soon.An IT professional makes about €600 per month in Romania. I've used to hire those folks at €450 per day working in Brussels. Even taking in the difference of cost in living, Bucharest is quite depressed. Now take into consideration that most of Romania is ot in Bucharest and can't be compared. If you go into the mountain or farming areas you will find poverty at unbelievable levels. For over a year, I have worked a small project trying to help a small Romanian girl get medical treatment. First I gathered medical supplies to send out because even with money the family couldn't get them in Romania. Then I worked to get her transferred to a hospital in a western EU country where she can get the treatment required. If she was from a rich or politically influential family she would have been treated 3 years ago. Poor and corrupt as hell, but very beautiful with still a few beautiful women left.
Ask Romanian girls you meet in FKK if they are rich in Romania, those who worked a bit in Romania before brothels, made 200/300 per month. Families are waiting for money made by daughters.Well, all of them say their families are blissfully unaware of what they do in Germany. Apparently they are happy to accept the little lie from their 20 year old uneducated daughter precious that somehow she is making 10 grand a month in Germany and able to buy a condo in Bucharest after 2 years in DE.
It is called "don't ask don't need to tell".
Don't mean to intrude but do you provide that kind of help often? Must cost you a fortune?
An IT professional makes about 600 per month in Romania. I've used to hire those folks at 450 per day working in Brussels. Even taking in the difference of cost in living, Bucharest is quite depressed. Now take into consideration that most of Romania is ot in Bucharest and can't be compared. If you go into the mountain or farming areas you will find poverty at unbelievable levels. For over a year, I have worked a small project trying to help a small Romanian girl get medical treatment. First I gathered medical supplies to send out because even with money the family couldn't get them in Romania. Then I worked to get her transferred to a hospital in a western EU country where she can get the treatment required. If she was from a rich or politically influential family she would have been treated 3 years ago. Poor and corrupt as hell, but very beautiful with still a few beautiful women left.
Neurosynth
04-30-19, 00:58
. . . And mainly due to most feminists then loosing out to the prettier more in demand women. As many feminists are generally far from good looking. First of all, what percentage of feminists does the awkward construction "many feminists are generally" amount to?
Second of all, do you really believe these myths you post? Or is it just a pose? Or perhaps both?
An IT professional makes about 600 per month in Romania. I've used to hire those folks at 450 per day working in Brussels. Even taking in the difference of cost in living, Bucharest is quite depressed. Now take into consideration that most of Romania is ot in Bucharest and can't be compared. If you go into the mountain or farming areas you will find poverty at unbelievable levels. For over a year, I have worked a small project trying to help a small Romanian girl get medical treatment. First I gathered medical supplies to send out because even with money the family couldn't get them in Romania. Then I worked to get her transferred to a hospital in a western EU country where she can get the treatment required. If she was from a rich or politically influential family she would have been treated 3 years ago. Poor and corrupt as hell, but very beautiful with still a few beautiful women left.I have been to Brasov and it was nice mountain resort, and Bucharest is actually very beautiful city with beautiful architectures due to dictatorship historical back ground, but they just do not have money to make those beautiful clean and beautiful with lighting etc.
As for corruption, I noticed, it is corrupt as hell as you said LOL.
Neurosynth
04-30-19, 05:24
It's still poor and plagued with corruption.One working girl told me that the reason Romanian FKK / RTC girls are usually short is that as kids they simply didn't get enough to eat.
Member #4636
04-30-19, 06:36
Ask Romanian girls you meet in FKK if they are rich in Romania, those who worked a bit in Romania before brothels, made 200/300 per month. Families are waiting for money made by daughters.But families are not supposed to know that their daughter is working as a prostitute right? Average salary in Romania is around 960 euro gross and the lower salary is around 600 euro. There are more poor countries in Europe than Romania, like Bulgaria, Albania, and Latvia. Also there are countries just like Romania like Greece and Portugal.
Member #4636
04-30-19, 06:46
Well, all of them say their families are blissfully unaware of what they do in Germany. Apparently they are happy to accept the little lie from their 20 year old uneducated daughter precious that somehow she is making 10 grand a month in Germany and able to buy a condo in Bucharest after 2 years in DE.
It is called "don't ask don't need to tell".What kind of parents could accept that for their daughter? Like pimping their own child, disgusting.
Well, all of them say their families are blissfully unaware of what they do in Germany. Apparently they are happy to accept the little lie from their 20 year old uneducated daughter precious that somehow she is making 10 grand a month in Germany and able to buy a condo in Bucharest after 2 years in DE.
It is called "don't ask don't need to tell".I can't think family don't think about how come so fast so big money. With internet, easy to know FKK land is Romania prostitution land and I m so happy about this because some Romanian girls are made for love in bed. When I find one pretty for me, I will make her be my GF in bed. Once more for my last one, after our 2 first rooms on our discovery, she said: After you I can't work, like some others said before, but on this Friday when she started, when she saw me, she came straight to me and asked: Were you in room today? One more who doesn't want I go with other girls, and she said: I come to you after smoking. At the end of our room, she asked: We repeat later? They may be blond or brunette, I m pretty sure they appreciate to feel woman rather than just being a piece of meat most of time. Some even seem to appreciate to get orgasmus. But families prefer only to take money given and not ask where it come from.
Well, all of them say their families are blissfully unaware of what they do in Germany. Apparently they are happy to accept the little lie from their 20 year old uneducated daughter precious that somehow she is making 10 grand a month in Germany and able to buy a condo in Bucharest after 2 years in DE.
It is called "don't ask don't need to tell".They usually say they work in restaurant or even company in Germany.
It is odd to think once upon a time not so long ago, these girls were the star of their little town where all guys in town were looking up to her like a prom queen.
The reality is if these guys come over to Germany, it only cost 50 euro to make them suck your dick among other things, but 50 euro is a lot of money in rural Romania I guess.
Mongering is bit like arbitrage, it cost us such a small effort and small amount of money to fuck these girls and most of them eventually will marry some innocent joe somewhere.
One working girl told me that the reason Romanian FKK / RTC girls are usually short is that as kids they simply didn't get enough to eat.As a 'doctor', do you find it useful to petition common people on why they are not taller?
As a side note, this was the common belief related to the height of Japanese people back in the 60's too. But at some point, they stopped growing even though their income and nutritional levels grew substantially.
What kind of parents could accept that for their daughter? Like pimping their own child, disgusting.Yes that would be my reaction as well. But perhaps they have a different view of sex culturally as a society? Also, I never heard that any of these parents actively encouraged their daughters to go into this line of work. But they do close their eyes and ears and probably prefer not to imagine what their baby is doing for money.
I also spoke to many girls who seem very casual about sex. Some of them come from reasonably good backgrounds but came over to Germany because they wanted to buy expensive phones and Louis Vuitton goodies. For those girls, fucking a stranger does not seem to be a big deal.
And the other thing girls say is that many of them hide how much they make from their parents. So, she will tell them that she is making just 1500 Euro a month when in reality she is making 8000 a month. That is one way from preventing any suspicions on the part of their parents.
They usually say they work in restaurant or even company in Germany.
It is odd to think once upon a time not so long ago, these girls were the star of their little town where all guys in town were looking up to her like a prom queen.
The reality is if these guys come over to Germany, it only cost 50 euro to make them suck your dick among other things, but 50 euro is a lot of money in rural Romania I guess.
Mongering is bit like arbitrage, it cost us such a small effort and small amount of money to fuck these girls and most of them eventually will marry some innocent joe somewhere.Some lucky Romanian guys got these girls virgin before us, made them pregnant, but they were so low level with women and also in bed, when you see Romanian girls knowledge about sexuality, nearly zero, they were not able to take care of a woman, too lazy to work, leaving their girlfriend or wife when she was pregnant or even with baby, this is Romanian guys. I also wonder why many German girls choose Turkish or Albanians rather than a normal German guy? Some German girls answered me.
Member #4636
04-30-19, 20:46
Mongering is bit like arbitrage, it cost us such a small effort and small amount of money to fuck these girls and most of them eventually will marry some innocent joe somewhere.Yes it is an arbitrage but for the girls not for the customers. They are taking advantage of the price difference in two different markets offering the same service. They would never get the money they get for the service they provide in their country. Same counts if they left Germany and went to Dubai receiving 500 euro per hour for the same service.
They usually say they work in restaurant or even company in Germany.
It is odd to think once upon a time not so long ago, these girls were the star of their little town where all guys in town were looking up to her like a prom queen.
The reality is if these guys come over to Germany, it only cost 50 euro to make them suck your dick among other things, but 50 euro is a lot of money in rural Romania I guess.
Mongering is bit like arbitrage, it cost us such a small effort and small amount of money to fuck these girls and most of them eventually will marry some innocent joe somewhere.Haha. Good points. However, that "innocent Joe" may not be so innocent. For all she knows, he is fucking a bunch of FKK girls on the side, and getting it for free from the retired FKK girl at home.
This is the cycle of life dance. Everyone is equally guilty.
Member #4636
04-30-19, 21:45
They usually say they work in restaurant or even company in Germany.However they always find a way to get an 'annual leave' for 2 months in summer and another 15 days or so in Christmas and Easter. What a good employer! LOL.
Thanos2019
04-30-19, 23:39
They usually say they work in restaurant or even company in Germany.
It is odd to think once upon a time not so long ago, these girls were the star of their little town where all guys in town were looking up to her like a prom queen.
The reality is if these guys come over to Germany, it only cost 50 euro to make them suck your dick among other things, but 50 euro is a lot of money in rural Romania I guess.
Mongering is bit like arbitrage, it cost us such a small effort and small amount of money to fuck these girls and most of them eventually will marry some innocent joe somewhere.50 is some money in Romania, not a huge amount. More than in Germany, for sure. But over time, those 50's add up. In a couple of years, some girls can buy cars and condos.
It is 50 for 30 minutes, or 20/25 if they cheat on time. And with extras it can be 100 for 25 min. Or even 200 e for 25 min if a man takes anal and CIM. Of course some easy pushover men also pay extra money for kissing or licking, and bare back head.
I can't think family don't think about how come so fast so big money. With internet, easy to know FKK land is Romania prostitution land and I m so happy about this because some Romanian girls are made for love in bed. When I find one pretty for me, I will make her be my GF in bed. Once more for my last one, after our 2 first rooms on our discovery, she said: After you I can't work, like some others said before, but on this Friday when she started, when she saw me, she came straight to me and asked: Were you in room today? One more who doesn't want I go with other girls, and she said: I come to you after smoking. At the end of our room, she asked: We repeat later? They may be blond or brunette, I m pretty sure they appreciate to feel woman rather than just being a piece of meat most of time. Some even seem to appreciate to get orgasmus. But families prefer only to take money given and not ask where it come from.Yes, but the reality is that she is a prostitute doing her job LOL!
50 is some money in Romania, not a huge amount. More than in Germany, for sure. But over time, those 50's add up. In a couple of years, some girls can buy cars and condos.
It is 50 for 30 minutes, or 20/25 if they cheat on time. And with extras it can be 100 for 25 min. Or even 200 e for 25 min if a man takes anal and CIM. Of course some easy pushover men also pay extra money for kissing or licking, and bare back head.I often hear in FKK from girls I become friend within FKK that I want to go 1000 euro today, so I guess in some good night, they make 1000 euro or even more, so I guess yes, it does add up.
Whats so amusing to me is that I am so surprise how much these girls jaws can take blowing so many dicks one after another everyday, and how much these girls pussy can take getting pounded everyday, and also their strong mental to deal with so many mongers from all over world with many different age range and personalities.
Women are strong being.
Haha. Good points. However, that "innocent Joe" may not be so innocent. For all she knows, he is fucking a bunch of FKK girls on the side, and getting it for free from the retired FKK girl at home.
This is the cycle of life dance. Everyone is equally guilty.So that make us monger 50 euro riders LOL!
However they always find a way to get an 'annual leave' for 2 months in summer and another 15 days or so in Christmas and Easter. What a good employer! LOL.Vice versa, if a monger is lucky we sometimes meet girls who only work in FKK for summer, there used to be quite few of those best ones during summer in Artemis, but now. Such cases are becoming less and less and more pro looking girls at clubs. I am not into tattoos and plastic surgeries etc. So miss old days.
Some lucky Romanian guys got these girls virgin before us, made them pregnant, but they were so low level with women and also in bed, when you see Romanian girls knowledge about sexuality, nearly zero, they were not able to take care of a woman, too lazy to work, leaving their girlfriend or wife when she was pregnant or even with baby, this is Romanian guys. I also wonder why many German girls choose Turkish or Albanians rather than a normal German guy? Some German girls answered me.Yeah these Romanian guys had to try more than us to get her too, as for virgin pussies, they were lucky yes. But we monger try less with these girls, all we got to say to them is to the room then it is 50 euro per 30 min, isn't it so easy for us LOL!
I prefer to the room and 50 euro then bye bye style more LOL.
Yes that would be my reaction as well. But perhaps they have a different view of sex culturally as a society? Also, I never heard that any of these parents actively encouraged their daughters to go into this line of work. But they do close their eyes and ears and probably prefer not to imagine what their baby is doing for money.
I also spoke to many girls who seem very casual about sex. Some of them come from reasonably good backgrounds but came over to Germany because they wanted to buy expensive phones and Louis Vuitton goodies. For those girls, fucking a stranger does not seem to be a big deal.
And the other thing girls say is that many of them hide how much they make from their parents. So, she will tell them that she is making just 1500 Euro a month when in reality she is making 8000 a month. That is one way from preventing any suspicions on the part of their parents.My observations are exactly same as yours on all of the above!
Yes, most of these girls are very very casual about sex. For example, one Economics graduate wanted to actually be my girlfriend but still wanted to continue to work in FKK! Another Nurse right now has a serious real boyfriend (not pimp or wannabe loverboy) but still wants to fuck me LOL. On the bigger picture, most of the European girls are not so fussy about fucking someone they just met as long as she likes the guy, very different mindset than most of the Americans or folks from some other parts of the world (except for pornstars and the likes). Same reason they have no ethical problem in bringing their own close friends, cousins or even sibling sisters to this FKK or any sex business. Making some cash along the way is obviously a great benefit, particularly if she is from a financially needy background.
Member #4636
05-01-19, 06:33
Yes that would be my reaction as well. But perhaps they have a different view of sex culturally as a society? Also, I never heard that any of these parents actively encouraged their daughters to go into this line of work. But they do close their eyes and ears and probably prefer not to imagine what their baby is doing for money.
I also spoke to many girls who seem very casual about sex. Some of them come from reasonably good backgrounds but came over to Germany because they wanted to buy expensive phones and Louis Vuitton goodies. For those girls, fucking a stranger does not seem to be a big deal.
And the other thing girls say is that many of them hide how much they make from their parents. So, she will tell them that she is making just 1500 Euro a month when in reality she is making 8000 a month. That is one way from preventing any suspicions on the part of their parents.Of course they have to say that they make much less, I don't think they are so stupid to tell them they earn 10,000 by working in a restaurant unless. They own it. LOL.
Member #4636
05-01-19, 06:47
Some lucky Romanian guys got these girls virgin before us, made them pregnant, but they were so low level with women and also in bed, when you see Romanian girls knowledge about sexuality, nearly zero, they were not able to take care of a woman, too lazy to work, leaving their girlfriend or wife when she was pregnant or even with baby, this is Romanian guys. I also wonder why many German girls choose Turkish or Albanians rather than a normal German guy? Some German girls answered me.Siri,
I don't think the story is so 'painful' for the girls. You make it sound like they were disappointed from their Romanian lover and decided to come to FKK to find real love LOL.
Sexuality is something missing in FKK land anyway and for many reasons. The main reason is that the girls make business and not love. They do everything in robotic style and most of them hate what they are doing. There is no feeling. It is their own decision however because the money is sweet so I don't think they are so innocent and poor. Customers are there for pleasure and girls are for money.
Member #4636
05-01-19, 06:55
My observations are exactly same as yours on all of the above!
Yes, most of these girls are very very casual about sex. For example, one Economics graduate wanted to actually be my girlfriend but still wanted to continue to work in FKK! Another Nurse right now has a serious real boyfriend (not pimp or wannabe loverboy) but still wants to fuck me LOL. On the bigger picture, most of the European girls are not so fussy about fucking someone they just met as long as she likes the guy, very different mindset than most of the Americans or folks from some other parts of the world (except for pornstars and the likes). Same reason they have no ethical problem in bringing their own close friends, cousins or even sibling sisters to this FKK or any sex business. Making some cash along the way is obviously a great benefit, particularly if she is from a financially needy background.Excellent post, you opened my mind, thank you very much.
I was always wondering how different their mindset is from mine and how ethics means completely nothing at all to them.
Yes, but the reality is that she is a prostitute doing her job LOL!Yes, but they do their job in different way according to who you are. This last one can be very different: show girl in lounge, even not anymore with me, and sensual in bed, and I know now she wants pleasure when she is used to fast rooms with others. I'm interested by girls who are able to give dreams, I m happy to pay for this, I m not interested by pieces of meat even pretty, or prostitute behavior like kissing everybody or rubbing in public, because no charm, no dream, so no pleasure, not women for me. If I want reality, then I accept when they ask me to meet outside or to go to Romania, but I prefer FKK dreams when I succeed to find one, stay in FKK. Some of my real girlfriends were married before, but they were not prostitute.
Yes it is an arbitrage but for the girls not for the customers. They are taking advantage of the price difference in two different markets offering the same service. They would never get the money they get for the service they provide in their country. Same counts if they left Germany and went to Dubai receiving 500 euro per hour for the same service.The cost of living and doing business varies greatly for WGs between countries. In Germany, the average cost per month. This is without considering cost to pay protection, manager or pimp. I know a couple ladies who went to Dubai last year. Both claimed that just as they were preparing to leave the country, the police raided the establishment they used to meet men. They were singled out and forced to surrender a large portion of their money or face jail time. Of course, they neither paid the weekly protection cost or received any documentation for the cash surrendered. Were they real police? These ladies will never know for sure but the risk of jail time in Dubai is real and who wants to gamble that in that Dubai. All told, the business is established similar to a casino, the house or manager always wins in the end.
The cost of living and doing business varies greatly for WGs between countries. In Germany, the average cost per month. This is without considering cost to pay protection, manager or pimp. I know a couple ladies who went to Dubai last year. Both claimed that just as they were preparing to leave the country, the police raided the establishment they used to meet men. They were singled out and forced to surrender a large portion of their money or face jail time. Of course, they neither paid the weekly protection cost or received any documentation for the cash surrendered. Were they real police? These ladies will never know for sure but the risk of jail time in Dubai is real and who wants to gamble that in that Dubai. All told, the business is established similar to a casino, the house or manager always wins in the end.Even worse, couple of aspiring FKK experienced Romanian girls were gangbanged BBFS (basically gang raped) by more than 20 Arab guys in Dubai in a penthouse "party" all night held up against their will by big security guys, got paid nothing, while this evening was supposed to be a high-end party with some royal emirates and girls were supposed to be paid 5000 e per person for few discreet private fucks. So there goes their hope for 500-1000 e per hour work in Dubai. Obviously they couldn't report to authorities there. This was circa 2016. Some older girls in Sharks probably still remember this sad history.
I knew an American hot blonde stripper/hooker who was lured into a visit to Japan for much more fast money in that same business. Once she arrived in Japan, the pimp took her passport away (obviously giving some "nice" safety reason to start with) and then forced her to perform full-on public sex (BBBJ with CIM and swallow, BBFS with CIP, gangbang etc.) on stage with one after another male customers in a row in an underground club in Tokyo that is visited by some politically powerful people, with only food and shelter given to her and no payment. This went on for months, eventually she managed to run away from this hostage situation and to the US Embassy to get rescued and to back to home.
I haven't heard of such horror stories happening in Austria, Germany or Switzerland, yet. Probably because it's legal to run brothels in these countries, so girls don't have to go to the illegal establishments to sell sex. But obviously girls who are too greedy still might want to explore other more lucrative countries/options, and occasionally gets burned, sadly.
Even worse, couple of aspiring FKK experienced Romanian girls were gangbanged BBFS (basically gang raped) by more than 20 Arab guys in Dubai in a penthouse "party" all night held up against their will by big security guys, got paid nothing, while this evening was supposed to be a high-end party with some royal emirates and girls were supposed to be paid 5000 e per person for few discreet private fucks. So there goes their hope for 500-1000 e per hour work in Dubai. Obviously they couldn't report to authorities there. This was circa 2016. Some older girls in Sharks probably still remember this sad history.
I knew an American hot blonde stripper/hooker who was lured into a visit to Japan for much more fast money in that same business. Once she arrived in Japan, the pimp took her passport away (obviously giving some "nice" safety reason to start with) and then forced her to perform full-on public sex (BBBJ with CIM and swallow, BBFS with CIP, gangbang etc.) on stage with one after another male customers in a row in an underground club in Tokyo that is visited by some politically powerful people, with only food and shelter given to her and no payment. This went on for months, eventually she managed to run away from this hostage situation and to the US Embassy to get rescued and to back to home.
I haven't heard of such horror stories happening in Austria, Germany or Switzerland, yet. Probably because it's legal to run brothels in these countries, so girls don't have to go to the illegal establishments to sell sex. But obviously girls who are too greedy still might want to explore other more lucrative countries/options, and occasionally gets burned, sadly.Good points. The security situation in Western Europe simply can't be compared to any other place on earth, barring US and Canada and AusNZ. Girls for sure take their life in their hands when they travel for these quick buck schemes. In a place like Dubai, they are at severe risk of physical punishment and worse if they upset any loc powerful honcho.
To a smaller extent, the same is true for punters. In a FKK, a man can focus on pursuit of happiness any which way he wants without worrying about life and liberty.
Siri,
I don't think the story is so 'painful' for the girls. You make it sound like they were disappointed from their Romanian lover and decided to come to FKK to find real love LOL.
Sexuality is something missing in FKK land anyway and for many reasons. The main reason is that the girls make business and not love. They do everything in robotic style and most of them hate what they are doing. There is no feeling. It is their own decision however because the money is sweet so I don't think they are so innocent and poor. Customers are there for pleasure and girls are for money.Many girls are coming to FKK land to make money for their child when father ran away. Usually, little mum are higher level, because they know better their body, and they seem to appreciate to be treated as women, when they most often say: this is better for her, he ran away. But when they are fucked whole day, baby is with granny.
Yes money business, but a bit of dream is more enjoyable for me than just emptying balls between 2 legs, or in mouth, but each one own pleasure. Most enjoyable for me is to touch the woman part, just sex is boring with girls with very limited level about sexuality, they didn't learn much when being fucked at home.
Even worse, couple of aspiring FKK experienced Romanian girls were gangbanged BBFS (basically gang raped) by more than 20 Arab guys in Dubai in a penthouse "party" all night held up against their will by big security guys, got paid nothing, while this evening was supposed to be a high-end party with some royal emirates and girls were supposed to be paid 5000 e per person for few discreet private fucks. So there goes their hope for 500-1000 e per hour work in Dubai. Obviously they couldn't report to authorities there. This was circa 2016. Some older girls in Sharks probably still remember this sad history.
I knew an American hot blonde stripper/hooker who was lured into a visit to Japan for much more fast money in that same business. Once she arrived in Japan, the pimp took her passport away (obviously giving some "nice" safety reason to start with) and then forced her to perform full-on public sex (BBBJ with CIM and swallow, BBFS with CIP, gangbang etc.) on stage with one after another male customers in a row in an underground club in Tokyo that is visited by some politically powerful people, with only food and shelter given to her and no payment. This went on for months, eventually she managed to run away from this hostage situation and to the US Embassy to get rescued and to back to home..In Japan that happened? You know it is one of the safest country in the whole world and I don't know where you read that, but if that happened and she went into US embassy for rescue, it will be huge scandal which will be used against Japan for trade talk by US government and used also for other political attack simply because Japan is only non white G7 country and because of that Japan is always under attacks.
However, these event do happen in similar scale in porn industry in Japan in lower end of the industry, where some young more naive girls are lured into porn industry saying it is bikini shooting etc. , but in reality it is porn and only find out once they walk into shooting, but they do leave foreign girls in this case also simply because they can do this to Japanese girls and they could get away with it till 1990's, but not to foreigners. This foreigners mostly are white foreigners only, similar things happen to many Filipina and other Asian girls. It is Yakuza related, but after 90's they cannot do this anymore due to tightening of new law against Yakuza.
Yes, but they do their job in different way according to who you are. This last one can be very different: show girl in lounge, even not anymore with me, and sensual in bed, and I know now she wants pleasure when she is used to fast rooms with others. I'm interested by girls who are able to give dreams, I m happy to pay for this, I m not interested by pieces of meat even pretty, or prostitute behavior like kissing everybody or rubbing in public, because no charm, no dream, so no pleasure, not women for me. If I want reality, then I accept when they ask me to meet outside or to go to Romania, but I prefer FKK dreams when I succeed to find one, stay in FKK. Some of my real girlfriends were married before, but they were not prostitute.OK, some charm do play part a bit, but I have been told I am special, I am not just client before by working girls, it is nice thing to hear, but to me, I only take these nice words as them doing superior job. I am nice to girls as long as nice to me, but I never forget that they are prostitutes and these girls are doing more superior jobs to make me come back to her, but for this I just have some level of respect for such well mannered girls in such brothel circumstances and I have gratitude for keeping it nice fair trade on both end.
Plus Sirioja, once you agree and go to Romania, that is when things can become more odd, it is usually nice at the beginning, but then it will lead to road to mayhem. As you put it, some girls sell you dreams, they are nice, they play their part according to your desire, but that is them being professional and also in part being nice because you are nice, but then reality kicks in front of small safety box, you got to pay money baby LOL!
Many girls are coming to FKK land to make money for their child when father ran away. Usually, little mum are higher level, because they know better their body, and they seem to appreciate to be treated as women, when they most often say: this is better for her, he ran away. But when they are fucked whole day, baby is with granny.
Yes money business, but a bit of dream is more enjoyable for me than just emptying balls between 2 legs, or in mouth, but each one own pleasure. Most enjoyable for me is to touch the woman part, just sex is boring with girls with very limited level about sexuality, they didn't learn much when being fucked at home.Yeap, I had a girl who added me on facebook and I checked her friend lists and found few FKK girls and some of them had baby photos and it was surprising a bit to find out they got kid and kept their shape more or less.
Classic story to begin tuting isn't it?
OK, some charm do play part a bit, but I have been told I am special, I am not just client before by working girls, it is nice thing to hear, but to me, I only take these nice words as them doing superior job. I am nice to girls as long as nice to me, but I never forget that they are prostitutes and these girls are doing more superior jobs to make me come back to her, but for this I just have some level of respect for such well mannered girls in such brothel circumstances and I have gratitude for keeping it nice fair trade on both end.
Plus Sirioja, once you agree and go to Romania, that is when things can become more odd, it is usually nice at the beginning, but then it will lead to road to mayhem. As you put it, some girls sell you dreams, they are nice, they play their part according to your desire, but that is them being professional and also in part being nice because you are nice, but then reality kicks in front of small safety box, you got to pay money baby LOL!In FKK land, like free ride or climbing my mountains, I look for dreams, I want to pay only to dream so I m only interested by looks and behavior who make me dream, I m not interested just by sex. I could go for shopping with Oase wow who makes me dream in club, but what for? I m sure good snow in Brasov, but what for? I m not a Romanian pimp, just a Romanian beauties lover, but only in FKK land, even we can have contacts when they are or I am at home, but FKK dreams stay in FKK land, they are not my real life with job and sports passions. Some people have house for week end, datcha for Russians, I have whole FKK land where I sometimes find higher level Romanians than now Russian escorts met in Paris, because when Romanians feel You love them, from what they knew with BF at home, then they can give great back.
In Japan that happened? You know it is one of the safest country in the whole world and I don't know where you read that, but if that happened and she went into US embassy for rescue, it will be huge scandal which will be used against Japan for trade talk by US government and used also for other political attack simply because Japan is only non white G7 country and because of that Japan is always under attacks.
However, these event do happen in similar scale in porn industry in Japan in lower end of the industry, where some young more naive girls are lured into porn industry saying it is bikini shooting etc. , but in reality it is porn and only find out once they walk into shooting, but they do leave foreign girls in this case also simply because they can do this to Japanese girls and they could get away with it till 1990's, but not to foreigners. This foreigners mostly are white foreigners only, similar things happen to many Filipina and other Asian girls. It is Yakuza related, but after 90's they cannot do this anymore due to tightening of new law against Yakuza.This was circa 2012-2013, if I remember correctly. The girl told me personally, even showed me scars from some of the violent acts. I knew her for years, and didn't see any reason that she was making up such an unfortunate abduction situation. She didn't ask me for any favor or money then. She still showed me her temporary US passport issued by the Embassy in Japan, thinking that I maybe a bit skeptical. My guess she somehow fell into hands of some powerful and well connected gang or establishment.
This was circa 2012-2013, if I remember correctly. The girl told me personally, even showed me scars from some of the violent acts. I knew her for years, and didn't see any reason that she was making up such an unfortunate abduction situation. She didn't ask me for any favor or money then. She still showed me her temporary US passport issued by the Embassy in Japan, thinking that I maybe a bit skeptical. My guess she somehow fell into hands of some powerful and well connected gang or establishment.Well, she could have worked in bath house here called soap land which is grey area, but legal prostitution in Japan or delivery health which is completely legal form of prostitution where all are allowed beside penetration which also do happen based on extra fee or even free based on consensus.
It is just odd that such event did not make it to main stream media especially if US embassy picked up the case. Plus Yakuza tend to hate problem that goes to federal level because top guys run billion USD businesses, so they do not like little thing leading to the big things that they do. They are more white collar criminal than blue collar criminal, most blue collar crimes are conducted by lower ranked guys who need to put food on table and women related business are always the jobs of such people in most nation including Japan.
However, if female says she reported to police and did not pick up the case, it maybe possible because police in Japan are not corrupt at all, but they are too careful of picking up the case unless solid evidence is provided, and this definition of solid evidence here in Japan is too much to ask I even personally think. It is the side effect of being very careful culture I think, but it can play against victim in many crimes that are low in Japan.
Having said that, money can get you nice things here, but it won't buy you more than material things, corruption is very limited in Japan (they do exist, but in grey area) and once they decide to get you for crime, no matter how rich or high societal position you are, they going to come and get you like what happened to Mr Carlos Ghosn LOL! And in case of Tokyo special prosecution office, they tend to get more motivated higher position the criminals are that including politicians, that is why it got special on the name because they deal with special cases that involve criminal who thinks they got special power. It is notorious method though, but most of time it is for good, so let say it is required evil to get these guys who are hard to get.
Going back to the topic more, I think grey area prostitution exist every where, like AO clubs in Germany. I mean FKK is already hardcore enough, but which girl want to be fucked with no condom by many strangers and cum inside. I mean I do not think the cases in AO is not same case as in FKK.
It is bit like corruption it exist in every nations, but in some nations it is more obvious and wider than others and those nation won't get into G7 nations because it is not just about money, it require to be certain level of system to be leading nations of world.
Money can be motivation for girls, but in case of AO, it is expected that there is some system to keep them there, it is not same as FKK. But I know of some girls who worked in AO clubs and now in FKK, so maybe it is to pay back debt or something, so it is part of contract to work in AO first, then once it is paid they are allowed to move on to better environment of FKK.
And it is because of AO clubs they changed the law and resulted in we FKK mongers are suffering with extra BBBJ hustling LOL!
First of all, what percentage of feminists does the awkward construction "many feminists are generally" amount to?
Second of all, do you really believe these myths you post? Or is it just a pose? Or perhaps both?Myths, or no myths. If you are like me, active in politics, you tend to see certain trends. Especially if you do house flyer meetups before elections.
One being that the more beautiful women in average tend to have richer husbands. So they are splendidly fine with the idea that there are biological differences between the sexes.
The more beautiful women in average also recognize their power through the average males lust for them. So they consider men's income easily attainable through other means than what feminist groups label sexual equality.
I hope you get me drift. The red line is strong.
It doesn't take a doctorate, nor a nursery undergrad course in sexuality to also notice that beautiful P6 women's total possible income pool is higher, in case men makes more money than the average non P6 working women.
Like my female friend in Asia once told me at lunch, "local men spends a third of their income on p6, so that is why we prefer western men. Since us women then gets a higher share of our men's income". Cause that is a big factor in this entire discussion. Although little did she know she had the wrong guy. LOL! Well, if she had looked like Andra (Oceans), Alina (Oceans), Lucy, Adelle (Oase), Ina (Oase), Sidonia (Sharks), Natalie (Wellcum) or some other top P6 girl we know, then perhaps I'd be more faithful. LOL.
In Japan that happened? You know it is one of the safest country in the whole world and I don't know where you read that, but if that happened and she went into US embassy for rescue, it will be huge scandal which will be used against Japan for trade talk by US government and used also for other political attack simply because Japan is only non white G7 country and because of that Japan is always under attacks.
However, these event do happen in similar scale in porn industry in Japan in lower end of the industry, where some young more naive girls are lured into porn industry saying it is bikini shooting etc. , but in reality it is porn and only find out once they walk into shooting, but they do leave foreign girls in this case also simply because they can do this to Japanese girls and they could get away with it till 1990's, but not to foreigners. This foreigners mostly are white foreigners only, similar things happen to many Filipina and other Asian girls. It is Yakuza related, but after 90's they cannot do this anymore due to tightening of new law against Yakuza.First, I think it's somehow strange that you view Japan as always being attacked. I'm not from Japan, and I believe that the US military has been present there too long. Japan has been developing into an economic power house for over 50 years. I feel that the US is there, in their minds, to secure the region. The alliance is largely unwanted by the local regular citizens, so I feel it should end.
Second, I can imagine what is described happening in Japan, Korea, Germany, USA, Dubai, Turkey, etc. For Japan specifically, I can't recall how many times a Japanese man has stated that he loved to go to Sauna Clubs to fuck white girls. Many are so color specific that Romanians aren't even considered white. Go there, fuck white girls and send them off to their future husband, LOL LOL. Imagine a person with money, already a bit in criminal business, doesn't want to hang out and share his prime white pussy with regular punters. Or maybe he wants to fuck her until he's ready for a change and then profit from the purchase by selling her to less powerful men who can't or won't take the risk of importing one for themselves.
First, I think it's somehow strange that you view Japan as always being attacked. I'm not from Japan, and I believe that the US military has been present there too long. Japan has been developing into an economic power house for over 50 years. I feel that the US is there, in their minds, to secure the region. The alliance is largely unwanted by the local regular citizens, so I feel it should end.
Second, I can imagine what is described happening in Japan, Korea, Germany, USA, Dubai, Turkey, etc. For Japan specifically, I can't recall how many times a Japanese man has stated that he loved to go to Sauna Clubs to fuck white girls..I actually think it is good that US military is present in Japan and I personally hope it will be present forever even we now going to renew our constitution, so we can work on offence side of military. US is best friend of Japan and US military can act as kind of like paid mercenary as we pay for 70% of the fee. And now with Brexit, UK is moving close to Japan and we think of this as good chance for us to make another already good ally even better ally to form strong G3 within G7 nations, so things go smoothly during such summit where sometimes debates never reach conclusion.
US is not attacking Japan beside fox news, it is other nations mostly and it is not military we are talking, I mean we do get rocketman shooting missile now and then, but it is low tech weapons that we can easily deal with, but in economic side Japan is always under attack like any other big nations are. Like Nissan is under attack now by France, namely macron, but we knew about it and to prevent take over, we already knew about Carlos Ghosns wrong doing for many years, it is just that we do not cut such card unless opponent make move on us first, which was the case of Nissan, Japan tend to not like foreign investment unless it is agreed on.
I do not get the your second point, but FKK is nice yes, but perhaps best format for white pussies where one can see white girls you fuck front of you before the purchase. As for Romanians, I like Romanians, as I mentioned before they cater to my exotic girl tastes, so it is nice, for awhile I got sick of them though because supply of Romanians are way too much in FKK and everywhere I go it is mostly Romanians, so appreciation faded away, but once I came to think of it again, they tend to be beautiful race till they hit let say age 35, or age 30, so it is nice that Romanians are dominated line up. However, precisely, they are mostly Latin based race, and some white are there too, but Romanians got Latin back ground way back, I like their exotic look.
Yeah some Japanese clients tend to like blonde girls mostly, me too, I do love blonde girls, but I tend to go for stunner to my taste, so I do not stick to certain type beside I tend to go for German girls if she is stunner optically, which is harder to find.
I am just glad that I first found FKK in 2009, so I did enjoy the time where line up was so diversed with many walk in German stunners and in those days, there were more Czech girls, Austrians, and beautiful polish girls too. Polish girls back in the day were quite many, but they are minority now, I miss these races in line up because they all look different because they are from different ethnic back ground.
In FKK land, like free ride or climbing my mountains, I look for dreams, I want to pay only to dream so I m only interested by looks and behavior who make me dream, I m not interested just by sex. I could go for shopping with Oase wow who makes me dream in club, but what for? I m sure good snow in Brasov, but what for? I m not a Romanian pimp, just a Romanian beauties lover, but only in FKK land, even we can have contacts when they are or I am at home, but FKK dreams stay in FKK land, they are not my real life with job and sports passions. Some people have house for week end, datcha for Russians, I have whole FKK land where I sometimes find higher level Romanians than now Russian escorts met in Paris, because when Romanians feel You love them, from what they knew with BF at home, then they can give great back.OK, I feel ya on that one, but for me I seek for beauty like you, but I do not care too much for behavior as in theatrical acting of girl friend like session in room. I just care for what she does in room when it comes to behavior like BBBJ, rimming, kiss all over body etc. So maybe right word is beauty plus sexual acts for me and I do not care too much for feeling she trying to act out in room.
However, I had some nice session where girls are so passionate and keep on acting like a wife in first night of honeymoon with lust all out and these session were mind blowing, but I do not look for that particularly. I kind of suspect some of those girls took something as they were very aggressive in positive sexual sense and dirty to the core.
I focus on how she look first and then what she does in term of sex in room is what matter the most for me.
Yeah, FKK is the place where teenage male dreams come true and we get to experience dictator, ancient king or majaraja in harim like sexual experience back in older era.
I have done many things in FKK, and now I aim to seek for twin sisters who are both real beauty, I mean how unusual is that to fuck such twins and it is only possible in FKK. And as for sister things in FKK, I am most of time skeptical if they are really sisters, so I want identical level twins.
PaulInZurich
05-03-19, 15:11
I have done many things in FKK, and now I aim to seek for twin sisters who are both real beauty, I mean how unusual is that to fuck such twins and it is only possible in FKK. And as for sister things in FKK, I am most of time skeptical if they are really sisters, so I want identical level twins.If you ever find beautiful twins, please share where to find them. Pretty much only fantasy left to check off the list. I have fucked sisters a few years ago.
FKK Yin Yang, closed.
FKK Acapulco, closed.
FKK Babylon, cover charge now 70 instead of 40.
FKK Yin Yang, closed.
FKK Acapulco, closed.
FKK Babylon, cover charge now 70 instead of 40.It is capitalism at work.
Bad clubs with sharky girls, lousy facilities and inefficient managements arr losing money and eventually shutting down.
Gokd clubs with pretty girls giving reasonably good services are in good shape. Sharks and Oase each have more than 100 girls on the weekends and service is good for those men willing to be patient.
Christian G
05-03-19, 18:28
FKK Yin Yang, closed.
FKK Acapulco, closed.
FKK Babylon, cover charge now 70 instead of 40.FKK Penelope and Saunaclub XS closed as well.
BigBuddy69
05-03-19, 18:31
Instead of 60, not 40. But I agree with you, things start to look pretty bad.
It is capitalism at work.
Bad clubs with sharky girls, lousy facilities and inefficient managements arr losing money and eventually shutting down.
Gokd clubs with pretty girls giving reasonably good services are in good shape. Sharks and Oase each have more than 100 girls on the weekends and service is good for those men willing to be patient.Dude,
Oase is the #1 sharky club these days, yet you blame shariness for the closings and bad economy of other clubs. Certainly there must be other factors too.
If you ever find beautiful twins, please share where to find them. Pretty much only fantasy left to check off the list. I have fucked sisters a few years ago.I heard of such twin few years ago in Artemis, but I am fly in monger doing one to three trips each one 5 FKK consecutive days and I could not go straight away, then you know how it works in FKK, girls comes and go sometimes.
I find sisters now and then, but I am doubtful that they are really sisters or one or both of them do not look good.
FKK enable you to do unusually beautiful thing and I would love to do twins if they are both beautiful and somehow identical.
Member #4636
05-04-19, 04:58
Dude,
Oase is the #1 sharky club these days, yet you blame shariness for the closings and bad economy of other clubs. Certainly there must be other factors too.Yes there are many factors why a club like this could shut down. The main reason is that the management doesn't listen to the clients needs or doesn't read this forum.
Competition is high in Germany, however I am surprised to see that the management doesn't invest money back to club improving many things but they act like they try to make as much money as long as it lasts. There are so many things that could be better in an FKK club. Better anti smoking filters would be a good start.
FKK Yin Yang, closed.
FKK Acapulco, closed.
FKK Babylon, cover charge now 70 instead of 40.On the other hand, Oase and Palace can be for only 50 now and I got a real woman look and in bed for 100 for 1 hour, without speaking about money at Oase.
Globe small brothers: History Basel Liestal, Westside close to German border, Palace Luzern are less than 60 € entry and 80 € per full 30 mn.
If you ever find beautiful twins, please share where to find them. Pretty much only fantasy left to check off the list. I have fucked sisters a few years ago.I once discovered beautiful, blonde, identical twins in Panama City, Panama. Totally identical! I went with one of them, and she was a disappointment. Lied about what she did, and all that kind of thing. So, I figured I wasn't missing anything by not going with the other one too and saved money since, with them being identical, she had to suck too. And I don't mean in a good way LOL!
Dude,
Oase is the #1 sharky club these days, yet you blame shariness for the closings and bad economy of other clubs. Certainly there must be other factors too.However Oase has a 100 girl LU, an attractive club with OK rooms, a good location that brings in locals and foreign tourists alike and as I said it is possible to obtain good sessions even at 50 E if you are diligent. I have.
The ones which are failing have no strengths and only weaknesses. The proof is that they are shutting down.
Party soon over?
FKK Yin Yang, closed.
FKK Acapulco, closed.
FKK Babylon, cover charge now 70 instead of 40.The short answer is no as long as there is no new law which makes prostitution or FKK club format illegal. The root problem of declining German sex industry, which FKK club is a part of, is the mandatory registration of prostitutes.
The short answer is no as long as there is no new law which makes prostitution or FKK club format illegal. The root problem of declining German sex industry, which FKK club is a part of, is the mandatory registration of prostitutes.Some clubs are doing worse and some are better.
Please let us know the conclusive proof for the claim that German sex industry as a whole is declining.
Are men fucking less or did they go to some other countries for paid sex, and if so where?
The Hessen clubs Sharks and Oase have more girls now than they did in 2015 or 16. Palace is roughly the same, more or less. World has declined due to an inefficient management. Yes, some NRW clubs I used to like are no longer the same and that's a pity. I will revisit them when their managements have a better handle on their business.
I'm not saying the registration was a good thing. I'm not even saying it had no impact. It probably did. But at the end of the day, good managements that care about customers, invest back in their club and facilities and hire good girls and make sure that they provide good services can still do well today. The demand for sex is always there and thanks to a cheap Euro and strong economies in Asia and US you also have many tourists coming.
However Oase has a 100 girl LU, an attractive club with OK rooms, a good location that brings in locals and foreign tourists alike and as I said it is possible to obtain good sessions even at 50 E if you are diligent. I have.
The ones which are failing have no strengths and only weaknesses. The proof is that they are shutting down.I feel you are touching the true reason now, but not bullseyeing it. Lets just admit that the Frankfurt climate has a stronger economy, bigger airport and less competition? While NRW has been oversupplied with clubs, and has a worse general economy?
Chinese Power
05-04-19, 23:14
Don't take me wrong. I like the pretty Romanian girls. But it becomes a monoculture since last few years. I think about 85% girls in FKK are from Romania. Could anybody tell me, where are the girls from another countries, e. G. Russia, Ukraine, Columbia etc. ?
Is there any underground rule, that only Romanian are allowed to work?
The short answer is no as long as there is no new law which makes prostitution or FKK club format illegal. The root problem of declining German sex industry, which FKK club is a part of, is the mandatory registration of prostitutes.I do understand that girl would want anonymity and the system is never 100% secure from leaking, so it makes sense.
I think new law surrounding condom part was mostly targeting AO club, but since law apply to all, FKK BBBJ got automatically included, the real victim now is us mongers LOL.
At least, we still get it, it can be worst, but I am glad I had chance to have golden era of 50/60 euro 30 min BBBJ fuck session days when good sex with top beauty was win situation by far to us mongers.
Now it is mostly 100 euro 30 min or 150 euro one hour all inclusive era. Let hope it does not get worst than this.
However Oase has a 100 girl LU, an attractive club with OK rooms, a good location that brings in locals and foreign tourists alike and as I said it is possible to obtain good sessions even at 50 E if you are diligent. I have.
The ones which are failing have no strengths and only weaknesses. The proof is that they are shutting down.Maybe it is good thing that some weak club are shutting down, so that all girls who looks good will concentrate on fewer good clubs that survived the competitive FKK industry.
So in a way, Artemis suited me best at one point in my FKK career because there is only one FKK club in Berlin which is Artemis, and it is big club, so all girls who come to Berlin to work in FKK are there, so it was easy one stop location for me to do fishing.
Thanos2019
05-05-19, 03:24
I feel you are touching the true reason now, but not bullseyeing it. Lets just admit that the Frankfurt climate has a stronger economy, bigger airport and less competition? While NRW has been oversupplied with clubs, and has a worse general economy?Hessen has 5 big clubs and a few smaller ones. It has plenty of competition.
I personally do not think NRW clubs are failing. Still plenty of good ones.
Club manager's number one job is to make sure LU is good. Then he has to make sure these girls provide reliable and honest service as advertised. Finally he has to keep the club facilities such as toilets and showers, rooms, towels and robes, food and drinks, AC and heat, in good condition.
Then customers will come and stay.
However Oase has a 100 girl LU, an attractive club with OK rooms, a good location that brings in locals and foreign tourists alike and as I said it is possible to obtain good sessions even at 50 E if you are diligent. I have.
The ones which are failing have no strengths and only weaknesses. The proof is that they are shutting down.Yin Yang shut down because the city shut them down. Aca shut down over lease issues. The experience that the club offered to their customers had nothing to do with it.
Don't take me wrong. I like the pretty Romanian girls. But it becomes a monoculture since last few years. I think about 85% girls in FKK are from Romania. Could anybody tell me, where are the girls from another countries, e. G. Russia, Ukraine, Columbia etc. ?
Is there any underground rule, that only Romanian are allowed to work?I think there is platform behind it on top of classical reasons like no visa issue, poverty corrupt nation etc.
Don't take me wrong. I like the pretty Romanian girls. But it becomes a monoculture since last few years. I think about 85% girls in FKK are from Romania. Could anybody tell me, where are the girls from another countries, e. G. Russia, Ukraine, Columbia etc. ?
Is there any underground rule, that only Romanian are allowed to work?Kiev, Dubai.
Mongerer88
05-05-19, 05:13
Don't take me wrong. I like the pretty Romanian girls. But it becomes a monoculture since last few years. I think about 85% girls in FKK are from Romania. Could anybody tell me, where are the girls from another countries, e. G. Russia, Ukraine, Columbia etc. ?
Is there any underground rule, that only Romanian are allowed to work?The answer is likely proximity and friendships.
As you may have learned from your research on Madrid, there are two Russian / Ukrainian houses in Madrid. If you watch the schedules, it is apparent that when one plane arrives with a group that tends to work at the same time, the ladies who have been working at the place must take the plane back to Russia / Ukraine. It isn't that perfectly coordinated, but you get the idea. In some European countries where prostitution is frowned upon, like Italy and France, and in Greece, where there is not much of a high-end outcall scene involving local ladies, the Russian agencies have ladies who rotate among the cities in those countries, and who are off the schedule for periods of time, and presumably go back home. They presumably choose these counties because the rates are higher, but it is inevitable that they become friends with their Russian / Ukrainian co-workers and co-touring counterparts. And presumably their is a Russian modeling agency or some system to ease Visa issues. If you were a Ukrainian / Russian sex worker who wanted to work in Western Europe, wouldn't that be easier than navigating the German FKKs and its primarily Romanian workforce?
Same with Romanians. They can get on a bus to nearby Germany and work at an FKK full of fellow Romanians. The Germans are likely less prejudiced against Romanians than other European countries. If you notice, the relatively few Romanians who work in Spain tend to work at the big clubs where there are other Romanians, and they avoid the many countries that likely make it hard for them to work.
Look at it from the perspective of a lady from Colombia. If she travels to Spain, she understands the language, and if she wants to work at a "house", it is full of Spanish speakers, many of whom are from Latin America. Why would she want to brave the FKK system? She might get more customers during the day, but the price per session is likely lower. Sure she can live at the FKK, but part of the fun of a young lady doing this abroad is to explore big European cities. So wouldn't the Colombian enjoy herself more if she got an apartment in say Barcelona with other ladies from Colombia?
Would you want to have gone to college somewhere that you didn't know anyone who spoke your native tongue?
Member #4636
05-05-19, 05:45
Don't take me wrong. I like the pretty Romanian girls. But it becomes a monoculture since last few years. I think about 85% girls in FKK are from Romania. Could anybody tell me, where are the girls from another countries, e. G. Russia, Ukraine, Columbia etc. ?
Is there any underground rule, that only Romanian are allowed to work?Romania has one of the highest prevalence in prostitution worldwide.
The answer to your question is simple. Out of the 20 thous and so Romanian prostitutes working worldwide maybe the 90 % work in Germany.
In my country Romanian work only in cheap brothels or massage parlours. We have only high class escorts and 80 % are from Russia and Ukraine. Other countries are Hungary, Rep Czech and Brazil or Poland.
Please let us know the conclusive proof for the claim that German sex industry as a whole is declining.
Before getting to your above concern, I should first write the reason of why I said the prostitute registration is the root cause of declining German sex industry. But I think it is a rather irrelevant and boring subject and some might say who cares, so I am skipping that and going direct to your concern. But I might write about it in the future when I get bored and have time no matter what the readers think of LOL.
Almost everyday for the past 4 years or so, I have been checking the following site (No. 1 by far WG search site in NRW) with its detail search function and my search criteria is the area up to 100 km from Cologne and the girls between age 18 and 23. Before the new law, it usually turned up between 1200 and 1400 girls. After the new law, the number was steadily declining to currently between 800 and 1000 girls. This is just one of proofs I personally know. I don't even want to mention other proofs which local german mongers have been talking about on german boards and I have been personally witnessing, because that would be a too time consuming matter.
http://www.6relax.de/detail_suche/r/3zpkkkga
I let Pistons and other members response to the rest of your post not quoted above.
Bfsie. As you say, numbers of advertisements have been falling on that and all other platforms, especially in the last two years, In addition I notice that fewer and fewer give the address publicly, and more and more are short-term.
Hessen has 5 big clubs and a few smaller ones. It has plenty of competition.
I personally do not think NRW clubs are failing. Still plenty of good ones.
Club manager's number one job is to make sure LU is good. Then he has to make sure these girls provide reliable and honest service as advertised. Finally he has to keep the club facilities such as toilets and showers, rooms, towels and robes, food and drinks, AC and heat, in good condition.
Then customers will come and stay.What about Planet Eden? Now Aca Velbert after Penelope. PHG, Magnum and ex Village Vertigo are dying, I wish the best to LR. Now, when no Asian bus, only GT Bruggen is good for girls business in Germany. Most of new girls, even some pretty, don t stay at LR because not good business except for few girls. Reason why less high level girls, but it s OK for me at the moment, no need to take risk for Globe.
Bfsie. As you say, numbers of advertisements have been falling on that and all other platforms, especially in the last two years, In addition I notice that fewer and fewer give the address publicly, and more and more are short-term.I agree with you.
One correction of my post: In the post I meant total number of WGs in the area up to 100 km from Cologne, not the number of WGs between 18 and 23 years old and in the area up to 100 km from Cologne.
Steve 9696
05-05-19, 15:21
For years I was all about the BBBJ because frankly I couldn't feel much at all through a condom. My routine was BBBJ, then some pretty meh sex in various positions, then finish BBBJCIM. It was probably 1 in 10 girls where I would finish inside her.
I started experimenting with the super thin Japanese condoms. Both Sagami and Okamoto make these. I ordered some Okamoto 01 and some Okamoto 02 and tried them out first by hand. (They are quite different to put on than regular ones because they are made from a different material and less stretchy.) At first I thought the 01 and 02 were similar but in practice they are not. The 01 is waaaay better.
Recently in London where I made liberal use of the 01 (they are 4€ each and totally worth it) the difference became so obvious. You can actually feel the difference in pussy heat through it. Cambria is like a fucking furnace! So noticeable as you enter her. And with Fortune I only had the one 01 left so when we took a break from fucking I left it on. And when we started with BJ again it felt just like BBBJ.
I have absolutely no affiliation with these condom makers but they have totally changed my P4 P life. I used to think of the FS part as a nice distraction but now it's rivaling BBBJ for the main event. I think I probably blow inside her at least half the time now. And my absolute favorite has become shooting while DFK in mish (with the right lady).
If I have not tried these, I recommend you do. Life changing!
P.S. Unless you have a really narrow dick you must get the large size. Even the Large are very tight for a western male. But soooo worth it.
BigBuddy69
05-05-19, 19:43
Unfortunately I tried the Protex 0.02 (made by sagami) a few years ago and just putting them was very painful because they're so tight and not elastic.
For years I was all about the BBBJ because frankly I couldn't feel much at all through a condom. My routine was BBBJ, then some pretty meh sex in various positions, then finish BBBJCIM. It was probably 1 in 10 girls where I would finish inside her.
I started experimenting with the super thin Japanese condoms. Both Sagami and Okamoto make these. I ordered some Okamoto 01 and some Okamoto 02 and tried them out first by hand. (They are quite different to put on than regular ones because they are made from a different material and less stretchy.) At first I thought the 01 and 02 were similar but in practice they are not. The 01 is waaaay better.
Recently in London where I made liberal use of the 01 (they are 4 each and totally worth it) the difference became so obvious. You can actually feel the difference in pussy heat through it. Cambria is like a fucking furnace! So noticeable as you enter her. And with Fortune I only had the one 01 left so when we took a break from fucking I left it on. And when we started with BJ again it felt just like BBBJ.
I have absolutely no affiliation with these condom makers but they have totally changed my P4 P life. I used to think of the FS part as a nice distraction but now it's rivaling BBBJ for the main event. I think I probably blow inside her at least half the time now. And my absolute favorite has become shooting while DFK in mish (with the right lady).
If I have not tried these, I recommend you do. Life changing!
P.S. Unless you have a really narrow dick you must get the large size. Even the Large are very tight for a western male. But soooo worth it.I agree Steve. I also like those Japanese 01 condoms (Sagami and Okamoto), but unable to find them in USA anymore, at least not on Amazon. Where (country) are you getting them from which website, if you can share?
Also, here is an interesting condom related post in an SEA thread I just saw that I think describes well a point of view similar to many of us (definitely not all) guys:
They just act like they are pissed because they want it to keep going in the direction you point out.
More and more $$$ less and less effort then somebody like me comes along and asks for "real sex" and.
They are like hold on motherfucker, things are going in a direction we happen to like, we don't.
Need you pulling things back in the direction of pleasing the monger for a reasonable rate.
So they will yell "You want what" to try and shame me, for asking or embarrass me, and to discourage me from asking, not this cat!
I will walk 2 feet and ask the next pretty girl I see, I don't let them run shit.
If there's a place where they have to much say, ala FKKland, I will avoid it.
Those bitches have too many easy mongers lining up for them.
My opinion is that sex with a condom is not sex.
Its like virtual reality porn, its an illusion of sex.
Jacking off to porn is closer to real sex.
Than is having sex with a condom.
Lets not even discuss those getting BJs with condoms (and paying for that LOL).
Sex in a pussy mouth or ass with a condom is not sex.
Its just an expensive simulation.
Sagami is on eBay but prices vary and not sure about authenticity.
Steve 9696
05-05-19, 22:12
I agree Steve. I also like those Japanese 01 condoms (Sagami and Okamoto), but unable to find them in USA anymore, at least not on Amazon. Where (country) are you getting them from which website, if you can share?
Also, here is an interesting condom related post in an SEA thread I just saw that I think describes well a point of view similar to many of us (definitely not all) guys:I order them from https://allfromjapan.com/.
They actually ship all kind of Japanese stuff. It is not the cheapest along with postage etc but I feel good knowing it is the real deal and not a Chinese copy or something. They are shipped straight from Osaka.
https://allfromjapan.com/product/okamoto-0-01-zero-one-large-size-condom-3pcs/
Don't take me wrong. I like the pretty Romanian girls. But it becomes a monoculture since last few years. I think about 85% girls in FKK are from Romania. Could anybody tell me, where are the girls from another countries, e. G. Russia, Ukraine, Columbia etc. ?
Is there any underground rule, that only Romanian are allowed to work?Because they are the best GF in bed when you know how to do, also Romania is a poor country and belonging to EU like Germany. Russia or Ukraine or Columbia don't belong.
I order them from https://allfromjapan.com/.
They actually ship all kind of Japanese stuff. It is not the cheapest along with postage etc but I feel good knowing it is the real deal and not a Chinese copy or something. They are shipped straight from Osaka.
https://allfromjapan.com/product/okamoto-0-01-zero-one-large-size-condom-3pcs/Awesome! Thank you again, Steve. I will try this site now.
Jimmy Boy 99
05-06-19, 01:52
I agree Steve. I also like those Japanese 01 condoms (Sagami and Okamoto), but unable to find them in USA anymore, at least not on Amazon. Where (country) are you getting them from which website, if you can share? Snip.You can get Okamoto 001 condoms on E-bay. Best deal is six 3-condom boxes for $56 (about $3. 11 each).
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=001+condom+large&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_fsrp=1&Brand=Okamoto%7 CSagami&_sop=15&_osacat=0&_odkw=001+condom&rt=nc&_dcat=176994.
You can get Okamoto 001 condoms on E-bay. Best deal is six 3-condom boxes for $56 (about $3. 11 each).
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=001+condom+large&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_fsrp=1&Brand=Okamoto%7 CSagami&_sop=15&_osacat=0&_odkw=001+condom&rt=nc&_dcat=176994.It is with regret that they do not make 0.01 mm XL size. For me, length is fine, but width is too narrow with 0.01 L size. I even wrote to them the demand in foreign market asking for XL size to be launched.
Only XL size I find here is 0.03 mm to 0.04 mm.
Steve 9696
05-06-19, 03:09
You can get Okamoto 001 condoms on E-bay. Best deal is six 3-condom boxes for $56 (about $3. 11 each).
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=001+condom+large&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_fsrp=1&Brand=Okamoto%7 CSagami&_sop=15&_osacat=0&_odkw=001+condom&rt=nc&_dcat=176994.This eBay seller may be legit, but it just makes me nervous. You can't buy them for that price at the local discount store in Japan (they are $16 there) and the $13 eBay price includes free shipping. For something this important I am willing to pay the extra for the piece of mind that they are legit and coming from Japan.
Jimmy Boy 99
05-06-19, 03:25
This eBay seller may be legit, but it just makes me nervous. You can't buy them for that price at the local discount store in Japan (they are $16 there) and the $13 eBay price includes free shipping. For something this important I am willing to pay the extra for the piece of mind that they are legit and coming from Japan.Some of the sellers on eBay are in Japan and shipping from there.
Party soon over?
FKK Yin Yang, closed.
FKK Acapulco, closed.
FKK Babylon, cover charge now 70 instead of 40.Magnum should be next on the closing list, followed by PHG. New clubs will likely pop up. It's just a form of creative destruction, an essential part of capitalism. No big deal!
Magnum should be next on the closing list, followed by PHG. New clubs will likely pop up. It's just a form of creative destruction, an essential part of capitalism. No big deal!I am more worried about the 40 to 70 cover charge at Babylon than anything else here. YY will get revived. Aca tried to stretch it as long as they could. But if the new thing is clubs after renovating bumps up entry prices by 75%, then that is more worrysome than anything else. Because that also draws from the budget we plan on spending on the girls. And in nrw especially, the clubs lineups usually are not over 50 girls. So chances are you may end up wanting to test the waters in two clubs instead of just one to bump up your luck. And with 70 e entries, it won't feel like a bargain any longer.
Magnum should be next on the closing list, followed by PHG. New clubs will likely pop up. It's just a form of creative destruction, an essential part of capitalism. No big deal!Except there is nothing concerning regarding YY, Aca nor Babylon price hike suggesting these would have gone down first. Capitalism is a bit like Game of Thrones. And it is almost never the most noble of good solution nor company that prevails. We always end up with a tyrant. Just look at Microsoft or Apple or Facebook. Tyrants in their own ways.
Magnum should be next on the closing list, followed by PHG. New clubs will likely pop up. It's just a form of creative destruction, an essential part of capitalism. No big deal!Magnum could turn out to be something interesting. It has been in administration for some time and a new operator has just taken over this week.
Magnum should be next on the closing list, followed by PHG. New clubs will likely pop up. It's just a form of creative destruction, an essential part of capitalism. No big deal!Yeah I pretty much said the same thing a couple of days ago. Businesses and companies close all the time and new companies are born. Sharks itself is not that old and it is in my view, the #1 club by far -- certainly in terms of number of girls. Over the years, my visits to NRW and other clubs have been tapering down and I'm spending most of my money in a few big clubs.
Club managements should focus on running a tight ship, know their customers, and make sure they are able to provide what their customers want.
In my view, the clientele is changing. And club managers need to focus on this changing mix and pay attention.
First, the international mix has clearly gone up over time.
I know that members will pooh pooh the importance of internationals and whether they matter at all. They do for some clubs.
The big Frankfurt clubs have been dependent on international mix for a while. It is not just the Male attendance, but also WGs who are dependent on them. A trained Asian hunter can make 500 off a big spending Asian man in a single session. To her it does not matter if the Male attendance per day declines from 250 to 200. She just needs 4 or 5 big spenders per week that can hand over 400 to 500 each and her week is done. If the club is able to attract a decent number of such men, it can also retain 30 to 40 Asian hunters. So there is a symbiotic relationship there. Given that at least 30% to 40% of club revenues come from WGs, club managers should focus on this aspect. Mainly they need to make sure their girls have enough business and are happy. Unhappy girls leave the club and that in turn turns off the Male demand.
Some niche clubs like Bernds will survive for a long time but then again they know their customers.
Like in many industries, this business too has the potential to bifurcate into a few niches. Fly in tourists want to focus on a few mega clubs. They have a huge fixed cost of airfare and hotel and vacation days used up etc so they do not want to risk going to a middling club, find that the service sucks or there is a lot of sharky upselling or worse yet, doors closed. They want predictable clubs, reasonable pricing, a large LU to choose from, even positive reviews on sites like ISG to incent their travel, ease of transportation and good and inexpensive hotels nearby. It does not matter to them if they need to pay 10 or 20 tip on a 50 session. What does matter is that you spend 2000 on flight and hotel and have only 40 average looking girls with lousy service.
I am not a local but if I were, I would probably want a low entry fee, easy commute close to my home, and some reliable girls. I would not necessarily need to visit a club because I can also do local escorts, RLD, other things. And I am not looking to binge fuck 5 girls per visit, but have one or two sessions per visit and repeat this on a consistent, weekly basis. This does help those smaller niche clubs that cater to those needs.
The ones that are caught in the middle are those with no defined clientele, average facilities, weak LU and uncaring managements that do not grasp changing dynamics of the market.
ZimmerBaby
05-06-19, 16:32
From 2016.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJRBx0JjM_M
Neurosynth
05-06-19, 20:05
As a 'doctor', do you find it useful to petition common people on why they are not taller?
As a side note, this was the common belief related to the height of Japanese people back in the 60's too. But at some point, they stopped growing even though their income and nutritional levels grew substantially.I'm not a doctor. But I do, at times, actually talk to women who do sex work. Try it sometime.
I can't address the case in Japan, but there are epigenetic effects that are almost Lamarckian in their effect. I. e. Environmental effects can alter the expression of genes in a way that can be inherited across generations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/science/dutch-famine-genes.html
(The applicability here is, of course, speculative. But it is not implausible.)
I'm not a doctor. But I do, at times, actually talk to women who do sex work. Try it sometime.
I can't address the case in Japan, but there are epigenetic effects that are almost Lamarckian in their effect. I. e. Environmental effects can alter the expression of genes in a way that can be inherited across generations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/science/dutch-famine-genes.html
(The applicability here is, of course, speculative. But it is not implausible.)A far more interesting discussion is weather or not 'tall' is the norm for healthy people. There could be a bounce back towards shorter people after nutritional and environmental levels improved also. And then there is the height belt around the world too. Basically near the equator and poles people are taller than at 45 degree latitude. Is that just pure coincidence? Is height related to stellar radiation, ground radiation? I am certain we are mostly guessing here on several fronts. And we only have parts of the picture. As you say, mainly speculations.
Prizzo0528
05-06-19, 23:24
I'll be visiting a FKK for the first time (probably Sharks) in July. I'll also be in London for a few nights and will be trying out their highly esteemed escort scene. I've been reviewing various websites and some of the girls are stunning. Many of the client reviews confirm this.
I'm wondering if any of you have experienced the London escort scene and would be willing to share how the quality of girls compares. I always like to set my expectations ahead of time, and from reading some of the posts on the various FKK sites on ISG I wonder if I might be better served just canceling my trip to Germany and indulging with a few more London escorts.
Money is only somewhat of s factor, but experiencing a perfect 10 in the bedroom supersedes.
Thanks in advance.
PK.
If the girls are generally as good looking at FKK as they are compared to the London escort scene, it will help with my expectations.
This eBay seller may be legit, but it just makes me nervous. You can't buy them for that price at the local discount store in Japan (they are $16 there) and the $13 eBay price includes free shipping. For something this important I am willing to pay the extra for the piece of mind that they are legit and coming from Japan.By the way, I hear they sell them in Germany with different franchise name, I think it is called big boy in Germany. Some mongers here were talking about it.
Don't take me wrong. I like the pretty Romanian girls. But it becomes a monoculture since last few years. I think about 85% girls in FKK are from Romania. Could anybody tell me, where are the girls from another countries, e. G. Russia, Ukraine, Columbia etc. ?
Is there any underground rule, that only Romanian are allowed to work?If you want Russian beauties not far from Germany, go to Brussels where 200/ h or Paris where 200/300/ h, but I find some Romanian beauties in FKK land and I create higher level with them than with most of escorts. My last one, 29 yo, long time in business, real woman type, smiled to all guys except me, so I tested her returning to my pretty discovery just in front of her. After my repeat with discovery, I went to Romanian, great surprise in bed, even I planned to return home, we took appointment for 2 hours later, she was a bit late, she apologized, much over 1 hour for our second room, but still 100 like for first, not the faintest money talk, she is super honest, like many others I think she is happy to get a bad guy for regular, so we both win. Just wish she won t change too fast, good point is she knows this business for years, but some girls are still fresh for woman part after years, when some lose freshness quite fast.
I am more worried about the 40 to 70 cover charge at Babylon than anything else here. YY will get revived. Aca tried to stretch it as long as they could. But if the new thing is clubs after renovating bumps up entry prices by 75%, then that is more worrysome than anything else. Because that also draws from the budget we plan on spending on the girls. And in nrw especially, the clubs lineups usually are not over 50 girls. So chances are you may end up wanting to test the waters in two clubs instead of just one to bump up your luck. And with 70 e entries, it won't feel like a bargain any longer.Babylon Elsdorf entry was 60 and could compete for club services with GT with better foods at Bab, higher level than LR, Aca. Bab was really improved, I don't agree with entry increased to 70 , but I wish good luck to Eddy because he spent to improve his club, he really welcome clients, I won't forget when I m not a regular how he tried to please me to watch ski. Was also amazing at 6 ens. NL when they didn't know me and found Eurosport 2 among Spanish channels, incredible, when at LR fat watch only Bundesliga 2.
From what locals seemed so happy to tell me, not sure YY will open soon, people living around don't seem to like this business.
Will be happy for Aca to stay alive, even when Kate ask me, no reason to return.
About condoms, no need to get a good BJ in NRW or Hessen, when girls like You, they will to please You back and some run for CIM business.
I will be in Frankfurt for one night in end of June. Looking to spend sometime in one FFK, considering sharks and Oase. Need recommendations for regulars who have recently gone to these places and guide which one to go to. Reading reports sharks has better optics but more sharky behavior from girls? I am looking for longer sessions with a few girls rather than 30 min ones. Also if going to Sharks, is that easily accessible using public transport?
Thanks for the help.
people living around don't seem to like this business.The threat to each married house holds for wives LOL.
Neurosynth
05-08-19, 01:47
A far more interesting discussion is weather or not 'tall' is the norm for healthy people. There could be a bounce back towards shorter people after nutritional and environmental levels improved also. And then there is the height belt around the world too. Basically near the equator and poles people are taller than at 45 degree latitude. Is that just pure coincidence? Is height related to stellar radiation, ground radiation? I am certain we are mostly guessing here on several fronts. And we only have parts of the picture. As you say, mainly speculations.This looks pretty good, but I've not yet done more than just skim it.
https://is.muni.cz/el/1431/jaro2015/Bi8270/Evolutionary_perspectives_on_human_height_variation.pdf
It looks to me like the further north the taller. (Allowing, of course, for all the typical notions regarding variation in statistics, as well as non-genetic differences such as food supply.).
I wouldn't be surprised if evolution would shorten people in hotter climates. If you scale the human body (or any object really) up the ratio of surface area to volume decreases. So cooling increases as a power of two, but heat production will increase as a power of three.
The impact of that is that larger people transfer their total heat more slowly. In cold climates that's what you would want. In hot climates you would want the opposite; for heat to transfer more quickly, thus smaller bodies.
Steve 9696
05-08-19, 03:44
I'll be visiting a FKK for the first time (probably Sharks) in July. I'll also be in London for a few nights and will be trying out their highly esteemed escort scene. I've been reviewing various websites and some of the girls are stunning. Many of the client reviews confirm this.
I'm wondering if any of you have experienced the London escort scene and would be willing to share how the quality of girls compares. I always like to set my expectations ahead of time, and from reading some of the posts on the various FKK sites on ISG I wonder if I might be better served just canceling my trip to Germany and indulging with a few more London escorts.
Money is only somewhat of s factor, but experiencing a perfect 10 in the bedroom supersedes.
Thanks in advance.
PK.
If the girls are generally as good looking at FKK as they are compared to the London escort scene, it will help with my expectations.I feel pretty well qualified to talk on this, having seen 8 girls in the FKK in Feb and 5 girls in London in April. Although my recent FKK was CH / AU I have done Frankfurt in the past.
The experiences couldn't be more different and are both great. First I should say that although some bash the Romanian girls I am a Ro-girl fan. All my FKK girls and all my London girls are Ro-girls so this is really apples to apples.
In performance and looks you will do well either place. If it is all about performance and looks, then London is more reliable. This is because if you use a good agency like Diva, all the girls have reviews. If you go with a girl who is well reviewed and said to look like her pics or better you are pretty much guaranteed that to be the case. In the FKK of course the optics are self explanatory being in person but the in room can be quite variable. Usually good, but just not as reliable as well reviewed London hotties.
That said, I consider the looks and performance bars to be exceeded in either locale. But what differs is the experience. FKK is the king of the world experience. Sit, enjoy a cocktail, survey the beautiful women knowing you can have any one at the flick of a finger. Wow. Nothing like it. King of the world baby.
On the other hand if you want intimate GFE that feels real, there is nothing like bringing a bottle of wine to a girls room and making out on the very bed she will sleep in later that night. It is an intimate experience to be invited into her space and share it for a few hours. And the best girls will bring the GFE right along with it.
So do yourself a favor and do both. They are both great in their own way.
Oh and put Brazil on your list if u have not been. Yet another great format (the Boate) and the girls are second to none.
It's the Bergmann's rule.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergmann%27s_rule
Suggesting that people are taller at the equator and the poles is obviously ludicrous and unfounded. Inuits who live at the poles are short. South Americans and southeast Asians are short. Only some tribes in Africa boast average heights of six footers but that is the exception rather than the rule.
This looks pretty good, but I've not yet done more than just skim it.
https://is.muni.cz/el/1431/jaro2015/Bi8270/Evolutionary_perspectives_on_human_height_variation.pdf
It looks to me like the further north the taller. (Allowing, of course, for all the typical notions regarding variation in statistics, as well as non-genetic differences such as food supply.).
I wouldn't be surprised if evolution would shorten people in hotter climates. If you scale the human body (or any object really) up the ratio of surface area to volume decreases. So cooling increases as a power of two, but heat production will increase as a power of three.
The impact of that is that larger people transfer their total heat more slowly. In cold climates that's what you would want. In hot climates you would want the opposite; for heat to transfer more quickly, thus smaller bodies.
I'll be visiting a FKK for the first time (probably Sharks) in July. I'll also be in London for a few nights and will be trying out their highly esteemed escort scene. I've been reviewing various websites and some of the girls are stunning. Many of the client reviews confirm this.
I'm wondering if any of you have experienced the London escort scene and would be willing to share how the quality of girls compares. I always like to set my expectations ahead of time, and from reading some of the posts on the various FKK sites on ISG I wonder if I might be better served just canceling my trip to Germany and indulging with a few more London escorts.
Money is only somewhat of s factor, but experiencing a perfect 10 in the bedroom supersedes.
Thanks in advance.
PK.
If the girls are generally as good looking at FKK as they are compared to the London escort scene, it will help with my expectations.Met some Polish escorts in Paris for 250 €/ h who did escort in London before for 300 pounds, they were not really high level for me, lack of GFE and sensuality. Tried 2 UK woman, one was reddish hair with milky skin becoming red under sun in Spain, in real life when I was on holidays, they were surprised by so many and long foreplay they never experienced in their UK life, UK don t seem to be very high level in bed, if You want really high level, go to Globe Zurich with German Joana, Romanian Kate. Some pretty Romanians are my best GF in bed and they can compete with Russian escorts in Paris, are higher level GF than Germans or Polish, highest level girls usually don't upsell and want to please You to make You return, for their business, for 100/ h rate. Sharks may not be a exceptional casting, at least for my eyes.
I'll be visiting a FKK for the first time (probably Sharks) in July. I'll also be in London for a few nights and will be trying out their highly esteemed escort scene. I've been reviewing various websites and some of the girls are stunning. Many of the client reviews confirm this.
I'm wondering if any of you have experienced the London escort scene and would be willing to share how the quality of girls compares. I always like to set my expectations ahead of time, and from reading some of the posts on the various FKK sites on ISG I wonder if I might be better served just canceling my trip to Germany and indulging with a few more London escorts.
Money is only somewhat of s factor, but experiencing a perfect 10 in the bedroom supersedes..I am not a London specialist but have used a few agencies like Euro Angels, Dior, Pure Pleasure and Diva during my travels to London. I have had mixed luck as it has been with all my escort experiences. First time with a girl is always a hit or miss. I prefer repeats for that reason but it is not always possible given that I am not a London resident. Prices can vary substantially and I have paid as much as 350 pounds per hour although also paid 200 a few times. Escorts tend to be older in my experience and tough to fund truly 19 to 20 or even 21 year olds that I prefer. Photoshopping is always an issue. Reviews do help however.
Fkks are a different animal. There are very few 9's and 10's in terms of facial beauty. But there is no deception or bait and switch because you can see the girl buck naked. Prices can't be beat. Most importantly, if you are wrong about a specific girl no sweat, cut your loss short in half hour, shower and back in the business to choose another or another or one more from a hundred girls. I have not paid personally the 500 to 800 that some London escorts demand per hour. For that amount, you can fuck 6 girls in FKK.
Also, I see fewer number of tit jobs in FKKs. Romanian girls are somewhat petite and small chested on average which suits me.
That said, London is one of the better places for escort usage. Quality is generally high but so are the prices.
Steve 9696
05-09-19, 01:27
I am not a London specialist but have used a few agencies like Euro Angels, Dior, Pure Pleasure and Diva during my travels to London. I have had mixed luck as it has been with all my escort experiences. First time with a girl is always a hit or miss. I prefer repeats for that reason but it is not always possible given that I am not a London resident. Prices can vary substantially and I have paid as much as 350 pounds per hour although also paid 200 a few times. Escorts tend to be older in my experience and tough to fund truly 19 to 20 or even 21 year olds that I prefer. Photoshopping is always an issue. Reviews do help however.
Fkks are a different animal. There are very few 9's and 10's in terms of facial beauty. But there is no deception or bait and switch because you can see the girl buck naked. Prices can't be beat. Most importantly, if you are wrong about a specific girl no sweat, cut your loss short in half hour, shower and back in the business to choose another or another or one more from a hundred girls. I have not paid personally the 500 to 800 that some London escorts demand per hour. For that amount, you can fuck 6 girls in FKK.
Also, I see fewer number of tit jobs in FKKs. Romanian girls are somewhat petite and small chested on average which suits me.
That said, London is one of the better places for escort usage. Quality is generally high but so are the prices.I am sorry but anyone who pays more than 150 or 200 in London Or has a mediocre experience is simply doing it wrong. There is absolutely no need to pay more. Best BBBJ ever. Rivetta Diva London 180 including CIM. Prettiest girl I've ever been with Fortune Diva London 150 . Best tits on planet earth Kendall Diva London 200 . Really you do not need to spend more. I've been everywhere (see my posts) and London is right at the top of the list.
Oh and the part about older girls again looking in the wrong place. TONS of 18-22 year olds with more added daily. You could easily have a twenty year old every night of the week. Fortune, Perry, Brinley, the list is extensive. Oh and none of the girls I’ve mentioned have tit jobs. It is listed clearly on the site and I just skip past any “enhanced” (ha what a misnomer!) girls.
I am sorry but anyone who pays more than 150 or 200 in London Or has a mediocre experience is simply doing it wrong. There is absolutely no need to pay more. Best BBBJ ever. Rivetta Diva London 180 including CIM. Prettiest girl I've ever been with Fortune Diva London 150 . Best tits on planet earth Kendall Diva London 200 . Really you do not need to spend more. I've been everywhere (see my posts) and London is right at the top of the list.
Oh and the part about older girls again looking in the wrong place. TONS of 18-22 year olds with more added daily. You could easily have a twenty year old every night of the week. Fortune, Perry, Brinley, the list is extensive. Oh and none of the girls Ive mentioned have tit jobs. It is listed clearly on the site and I just skip past any enhanced (ha what a misnomer!) girls.I don't doubt that you had better luck and experiences than I did in London, but it would be much more useful to know what your methodology is.
I visit London 3 or 4 times a year and do not always monger on every visit because my trips to London tend to be more business oriented while I take time off to visit Germany focused more towards mongering. As such, I probably do 5 or 6 escort sessions in London per year, tops. Which basically means I scan the few agency sites I am familiar with, and arrange a meeting based on a few reviews and past experiences. And I have neither found prices in the sub 150 range you mentioned, nor the pictures listed at those prices attractive to me. I also do not like big fake fitted, big butt, MILFy looking women. I tend to like smaller, model type, young and fresh girls with medium natural tits.
I read your prior posts, at least in this thread in the last few days. What would be useful (for me) is not description of specific sessions (which were very well written, BTW) but how do you focus on specific agencies and girls? There are literally so many of them. How do you avoid the bad apples?
I think reviews of specific girls are more useful in a thread like Palace and Oase because we know the club and want to know what each girl is like. When it comes to something like London escorts in a FKK lounge thread I would prefer to know how you go about doing your search and boil it down to a few girls.
Thanks.
I agree with Pessimist in principle although Steve's view has its merit. In principle and generally speaking, the more WGs need to go out alone (like escort) to do their business, the older, more professional and mechanical and lousier in services in general WGs are, because it takes a lot of guts, bravery, toughness and experience to do that (like escort) for a woman, which is not easy for any young, inexperienced and nice girl. Sirioja's experience (in post #13832) pretty much sums it up accurately. So my suggestion is that if a monger looks for WG's service and intimacy or something which they are a part of, he should better stick to in-call establishments like brothels, FKK clubs and so on.
But, by the way, Pessimist, I thought Pistons and other members would response to you, but they didn't. I think that your emphasized view in several of your previous posts that businesses and companies close all the time and new companies are born is not very well suitable for total number of FKK clubs in NRW and the interest of mongers although it is correct in theory. I give you an example: let's say two years age a rural town had population of 100,000 and 10 restaurants, and for some reason the population is declining to 60,000 now, so obviously the town population can not support 10 profitable restaurants now and the number of restaurants has to be reduced so that each remaining restaurants will still be profitable. Some new entrepreneurs would try to maintain 10 restaurants in town, but the big picture is that the town will eventually end up only having 6 or 7 restaurants because no one wants to keep doing money-losing business. Current FKK situation in NRW is like that. Some guys will take over the failed clubs, but at the end of the days total number of FKK clubs in NRW will be reduced eventually if current circumstance of sex industry in NRW persists.
They are very few, but can sometimes find in FKK land, before at YY NL, Villa Vertigo was also a good place for part timer, where I started with a German model escorting, we started on 50€/30 mn rate with 2 hours discovery, then in hotel and apartment I always gave her same rate, most often 300 for 4/5 hours, we chatted for a small hour, then 2h30/3 h of sporty love in bed, then about 1 hour recovering when she sent messages to her management to cancel other appointments and saying: I don t want to work after You. My highest potential for sex ever, just asking: love me. Even out of Globe, got about 10 weekly Romanian favs who were on my Russian escorts level, for 100/ h, never speaking about money, no upselling, no tip, just weekly hours.
I agree with Pessimist in principle although Steve's view has its merit. In principle and generally speaking, the more WGs need to go out alone (like escort) to do their business, the older, more professional and mechanical and lousier in services in general WGs are, because it takes a lot of guts, bravery, toughness and experience to do that (like escort) for a woman, which is not easy for any young, inexperienced and nice girl. Sirioja's experience (in post #13832) pretty much sums it up accurately. So my suggestion is that if a monger looks for WG's service and intimacy or something which they are a part of, he should better stick to in-call establishments like brothels, FKK clubs and so on..I am not disagreeing with Steve. I narrated my experiences and he has done the same on his side. It would certainly seem that he has either better skill or luck or both in his girl picks in London. So, I am curious to know what his secret is in this matter and how he goes about picking agencies and escorts. He mentioned Diva. Perhaps that is the answer. I have tried a few agencies on my own and the experiences varied with some being better than others. I tried Diva a couple of times in the past but can't say that my experiences were so uniformly positive as Steve has been able to obtain. Could be just my luck.
But as I said, even a very perfunctory search in London will bring up dozens of agencies and hundreds of girls. This is one of the first things I do when I travel to any city, being the perverted monger I am, LOL. Way back when, before internet, when I checked into a hotel in a new city the first thing I did was check the yellow pages and any other local tabloids for strip clubs and escort listings; nowadays it is a simple Google search for local hookers. The trouble is always about weeding out the bad ones and finding the few good ones. Not easy when you are a visitor and tourist in a place.
As for the 2nd topic, yes I agree that if the local demand for prostitution declines precipitously as in your analogy to the restaurant business in a town, it can have a detrimental impact on the number of clubs. I am simply unaware that it actually happened in Germany. It is still a stable to vibrant economy and sits in the middle of Europe with easy access to many men. However, you guys with more local knowledge than me know more on this topic.
I am sorry but anyone who pays more than 150 or 200 in London Or has a mediocre experience is simply doing it wrong. There is absolutely no need to pay more. Best BBBJ ever. Rivetta Diva London 180 including CIM. Prettiest girl I've ever been with Fortune Diva London 150 . Best tits on planet earth Kendall Diva London 200 . Really you do not need to spend more. I've been everywhere (see my posts) and London is right at the top of the list.
Oh and the part about older girls again looking in the wrong place. TONS of 18-22 year olds with more added daily. You could easily have a twenty year old every night of the week. Fortune, Perry, Brinley, the list is extensive. Oh and none of the girls Ive mentioned have tit jobs. It is listed clearly on the site and I just skip past any enhanced (ha what a misnomer!) girls.I've been looking at Diva and some of the girls really look stunning. It's easy to see professional photographers have been at work. Some of the selfies still show quite beautiful girls.
However, my question is on anonymity because I don't want my phone number etc leaked. Can these be trusted? I'm tempted.
Basically near the equator and poles people are taller than at 45 degree latitude. Is that just pure coincidence?Ex-Yugoslavian countries are at 45 degrees latitude. They are the tallest people in the world:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwide
Steve 9696
05-10-19, 01:21
I don't doubt that you had better luck and experiences than I did in London, but it would be much more useful to know what your methodology is.
I visit London 3 or 4 times a year and do not always monger on every visit because my trips to London tend to be more business oriented while I take time off to visit Germany focused more towards mongering. As such, I probably do 5 or 6 escort sessions in London per year, tops. Which basically means I scan the few agency sites I am familiar with, and arrange a meeting based on a few reviews and past experiences. And I have neither found prices in the sub 150 range you mentioned, nor the pictures listed at those prices attractive to me. I also do not like big fake fitted, big butt, MILFy looking women. I tend to like smaller, model type, young and fresh girls with medium natural tits.
I read your prior posts, at least in this thread in the last few days. What would be useful (for me) is not description of specific sessions (which were very well written, BTW) but how do you focus on specific agencies and girls? There are literally so many of them. How do you avoid the bad apples?
I think reviews of specific girls are more useful in a thread like Palace and Oase because we know the club and want to know what each girl is like. When it comes to something like London escorts in a FKK lounge thread I would prefer to know how you go about doing your search and boil it down to a few girls.
Thanks.First, I hope it is obvious from my broad posting history, but I have no affiliation with Diva or any other agency. I am just a die hard working girl enthusiast, with a penchant for quality research. So here is the scoop.
I used to think London sucked because I'the only been to ripoff strip clubs. Then I spent literally 3 months researching it before I struck gold. There is a website that literally lists hundreds of agencies. I visited every link with 20 or more girls. I found ones that had real reviews and consulted ********* for best agencies. I finally narrowed it down to Admiral, Peachy, Diva and Babylon girls. Oh and I was not interested in high end agencies. Figured I could work my way up but never had to.
These agencies all carry pretty much the same girls. My first experience was with Admiral and it was good. For some reason the second time I used Diva. Since then I've always used Diva because:
They post even bad reviews.
They clearly list all girls services.
They make it easy to find best reviewed girls.
They make it easy to find new girls.
Their chat is responsive and accurate.
The girls say they like Diva best.
To be clear I am sure any of the above are fine, but you will find browsing easiest on Diva even if you book with someone else.
So here is what you do. If you like browsing then go to the main gallery and browse them all (hundreds). If you want a shorter list choose thebReccomended Girls filter. Still a ton. Find one you like and click into her. Review her photos. Selfies if they have them are always last so make sure to get to the end. Every girl I've ever had loooked BETTER than their selfies. If they don't have a selfie but you are interested then text Diva and they will send if girl allows.
Important review services carefully. Does not list FK or DFK then that is for sure true. DFK listed means at discretion but I've only been snubbed once. Lists upcharge for CIM. Not listed? No CIM.
More important read the reviews. They are waaaaaay down at the bottom. You have to scroll through a billion other girls you might like but way at the btttom of her page are her reviews. None? Get out of there fast!
I look for at least 5 good reviews and will only tolerate a negative review if its one in twenty or so clearly just a troll. And make sure they are recent and don't go back too far. A girl under a year is best. Two years is ok. Get careful when they go back much farther.
A few other tips coming. Got to go.
Steve 9696
05-10-19, 02:02
I've been looking at Diva and some of the girls really look stunning. It's easy to see professional photographers have been at work. Some of the selfies still show quite beautiful girls.
However, my question is on anonymity because I don't want my phone number etc leaked. Can these be trusted? I'm tempted.These agencies are super discrete, but having some thread on your phone seems super dangerous if you have an SA. It would be hard to book without a burner phone. You book usually via text chat and then the day of the event they text you her address. Not quite sure how this would all work without text? I guess you could email and use incognito mode. But you definitely need to get her exact location morning of the date. Yes.
Steve 9696
05-10-19, 02:17
First a word on price. There is a correlation between price and two things:
1. If you want a British girl you will pay more. At least 100 more. Allure is a good agency for this.
2. The quality of flat and number of roommates. Most of the 150 Ro-girls have roommates or live in a super tiny flat. The one time I went with a 250 Allure girl she had her own nice 1 bedroom flat. But frankly I enjoyed my Ro-girls more.
So if it's a Eastern Euro girl charging 300 she better live in a swanky flat and be beyond compare (Gayana has tempted me! Because the 150 girls are smokin hot!
Fresh 18-20 year olds are easy to find. Every day go to the Diva site and look at the New Girls filter. They add 1-3 girls A DAY (No joke. Not all are that young but many are. For me 20-24 is about right. Find one you like. But keep your powder dry. Go back and check the latest reviews to see if your hotties show up. Once your girl has been reviewed a couple times you've found yourself a keeper. For example Brinley. Her pics are nothing to write home about but her selfie is very appealing. She was on my list to take a Chance on but I kicked her to the curb to repeat with Fortune. No regrets because Fortune is awesome but now Brinley has the reviews piling up and I wish I gave her a go!
Or Henriette. She came on two days ago. So new she doesnt even have pro shots. Every shot is a selfie. And she already has two good reviews. Shed be on my watch list and if I was going to London next week Id likely be in her bed! (Actually just read a review and she doesn’t even have a bed — only a sofa. - now that is really a starter WG!) Anyhow point is you need to actively review the new girls as they come on and once they get a track record they are yours for the picking.
On Photoshop they do photoshop the girls but they are great in person so long as the reviewers have clearly stated that. They may perk up the tits or the butt a bit but my experience is face is always at least as pretty as the pro pics and prettier than the selfies. A top girl lights up the room and the camera simply can't capture that.
Thanks Steve. Very helpful tips. I will take a more serious look at Diva and pay attention to what you recommended.
Ararat — I use an app called hushed. I pay them $4 to $5 a month. Assigns me a phone number with unlimited texts and I think some amount of talk time (not sure limited or unlimited). I use it mainly for texts. The ones who are texting you do not know it is a text app, to them it appears as any other phone number. If there is any danger of detection, delete the app from your phone in a minute and you are all set.
Ex-Yugoslavian countries are at 45 degrees latitude. They are the tallest people in the world:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwideI understand better now because I was not born in Yugoslavia, but I remember Kosovo and so many really dirty things made to women.
Mongerer88
05-10-19, 10:34
Bfsie,
I can see the generalization you made about younger ladies preferring incall, and older ladies preferring outcall being true in some markets, but I don't see it being true everywhere. A lot depends on the level of support.
For instance in Montreal, the 18-25 year olds flock to the agencies (most of which offer out call and incall, but it is often just one lady and her customer at the incall at a time and via appointment), but those agencies provide a tremendous level of support to the younger ladies. Booking, advertising, transportation to / from, phone / text contact at the beginning of the session, etc. I would agree with your impression that younger ladies with no established customers or knowledge of the industry or capital to establish a website tend to look for a support mechanism early in their careers. The FKKs certainly provide that, but so do a few agencies or groups offering hotel outcalls. The few very young ladies who are true independent outcall escorts are hurt by the many independent outcall escorts using badly outdated pictures, and the review system builds on itself. A lady getting 8's and 9's out of 10 early in her career tends to still get those high marks later in her career, partially because she is still loved by her regulars and partially because reviewers tend to give the same review scores as other reviewers did years ago. And a lot of jaded performance occurs because outcall escorts with experience are good at picking up on the disappointment a customer shows if he was expecting an 18-21 year old, and gets a 30-35 year old still using her teen photos. That happens all the fucking time, too. Of course, the difficulty with choosing a truly younger outcall escort with few reviews is that the weeding out process hasn't occurred, and a relatively significant percentage of them are ladies who have chosen a line of work that isn't for them.
Arafat, while the text app suggestions are good, and I have used text apps when dumpster diving in the "Backpage-type" markets, I don't think I have ever encountered or heard of an unsolicited text, and certainly not a blackmail / extortion case, involving an upper-end agency or independent escort with a website and rates at or above the market rate. I think the risk of blackmail / extortion / selling cell phone information is mostly reserved for really bad TV shows starting at 9 pm or 10 pm catering to markets where viewers have no experience with the sex industry. There were certainly some scumbags from India who took out fake ads on Backpage in the USA And blackmailed customers who used their real phone numbers that were also connected to Facebook profiles, but that kind of thing doesn't extend to a reputable agency anywhere, including a group like Diva in London. If you don't dumpster dive, you are fine using your own phone. Once again, in Montreal, this is an issue. The independents and upper-end agencies don't like text apps (when a guy uses one that they can identify as a text app) because they think it reduces the level of security for the ladies. But of course a customer doesn't like using his real phone number if he is dumpster-diving on a "Backpage-type" service like the new Leolist. To me, rather than dumpster diving, just use a well-reviewed agency or independent you can trust. I suspect the same is true for London.
Thanks Steve and Pessimist.
Steve mentioned a couple of the girls I've been looking at and I think I need to fix the logistics before a trip I have coming up.
I have not used Backpage although I would not look down on any form of mongering as being dumpster diving. Each to his own. We all partake paid in multiple locations, formats, channels. Judgmental adjectives like dumpster diving, cheap Charlie's, etc are not productive nor helpful when we are trying to give each other useful information.
That said, there are many reasons a monger or even a regular real life guy would want to hide his real number. No justification is needed why he would want to do it.
I suppose one answer to the question "how can I hide my true identity and number" is "don't worry about disclosing your true identity and number". Another answer is a text app. And if someone doesn't like my text app number, I don't want to give them my business either; my prerogative, naturally.
Mongerer88
05-11-19, 01:17
I have not used Backpage although I would not look down on any form of mongering as being dumpster diving. Each to his own. We all partake paid in multiple locations, formats, channels. Judgmental adjectives like dumpster diving, cheap Charlie's, etc are not productive nor helpful when we are trying to give each other useful information.
That said, there are many reasons a monger or even a regular real life guy would want to hide his real number. No justification is needed why he would want to do it.
I suppose one answer to the question "how can I hide my true identity and number" is "don't worry about disclosing your true identity and number". Another answer is a text app. And if someone doesn't like my text app number, I don't want to give them my business either; my prerogative, naturally.Those terms are very useful in risk analysis. There are plenty of ladies who make a real career out of sex work and have a lot to lose if their reputation is damaged. They are a lot different than a druggie lady who takes out a one time ad with a disposable phone number. She might see an opportunity to rob, extort and blackmail to get some money instead of providing sex. In fact, since Montreal's agencies and independents have recently increased their pricing, there have been more reports on that local board of Leolist and Humpchies providers, and, not surprisingly, there have been a couple of robbery warning reports. Plus some ads on an anonymous ad board aren't even taken out by ladies, but are taken out by guys looking to rob or extort. It is definitely dumpster diving and a need to be anonymous exists. Using reputable agencies and independents eliminates at least that risk, so the need to remain anonymous is largely driven by the access that significant others and employers might have to the phone records.
I can see the generalization you made about younger ladies preferring incall, and older ladies preferring outcall being true in some markets, but I don't see it being true everywhere.
I never said everywhere. I said "generally speaking" which means not 100% but most of the places. I have always been very careful of what I say on this kind of societal and human issues because there are always exceptions on societal and human issues. Even in every country I think most likely you can always find at least one 18-or-19-year-old girl doing escort...
Saiintsman69
05-11-19, 09:16
Hi all,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I'm heading to Frankfurt next Friday (17th) and have a few hours to kill so I have a couple of questions.
1. I have walking difficulty so use a wheelchair normally, on this trip it will be a little scooter as I can get that on a plane. I can walk short distances on crutches. So my first question is are any clubs disabled friendly? By that I mean no steps into the club and private rooms downstairs.
2. Thanks to my disability I sometimes have a few problems with the little man down below. I'm not going into details but I don't need a blue pill. Are there any clubs where the girls might be more interested in a kiss and cuddle rather than normal services, just in case you know who decides to play up?
Finally, how busy are the club's on a Friday morning just after opening time?
Hope someone can help.
Mongerer88
05-11-19, 11:58
I never said everywhere. I said "generally speaking" which means not 100% but most of the places. I have always been very careful of what I say on this kind of societal and human issues because there are always exceptions on societal and human issues. Even in every country I think most likely you can always find at least one 18-or-19-year-old girl doing escort...I realize that you didn't say everywhere. I was just pointing out another market where an abundance of younger ladies flourish, and my perception as to why. The why was that younger ladies with no resources or support need some of both to get started and to flourish. Especially when the more established, older competition wants to drive them off. Germany accomplishes this through the FKK system, Montreal through the extraordinary full service provided by many of its agencies, and Barcelona does by having no less than four incall establishments (where the customer needs to call and make an appointment and get the address) that tries to only have ladies in the 18-25 year-old range working there.
The trends in many countries, including the United States and France of course, toward making advertising and communication more difficult to obtain and access, has made it more difficult for a younger lady to enter the business. Many existing escorts have a customer list in her email / cell phone, a website where she may have copied some of her old reviews before the review sites were shut down, and a network of escort friends (likely her same age) on Twitter / Switter. Sometimes there are generally nice ladies who will help the aspiring 18-19 year-old enter the business, but often that is not the case.
Ex-Yugoslavian countries are at 45 degrees latitude. They are the tallest people in the world:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwideI always thought dutch people are the tallest people.
Member #4636
05-11-19, 18:43
I always thought dutch people are the tallest people.No Mc Adonis is right, ex- Yugoslavian are very tall.
This is why they are so good in basket ball, best in Europe.
Polyamorist
05-11-19, 23:19
From 2016.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJRBx0JjM_MAlso good: Polyamory, Leon Feingold.
https://youtu.be/FtdsZ8B7JQY
Thanos2019
05-11-19, 23:29
Hi all,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I'm heading to Frankfurt next Friday (17th) and have a few hours to kill so I have a couple of questions.
1. I have walking difficulty so use a wheelchair normally, on this trip it will be a little scooter as I can get that on a plane. I can walk short distances on crutches. So my first question is are any clubs disabled friendly? By that I mean no steps into the club and private rooms downstairs.
2. Thanks to my disability I sometimes have a few problems with the little man down below. I'm not going into details but I don't need a blue pill. Are there any clubs where the girls might be more interested in a kiss and cuddle rather than normal services, just in case you know who decides to play up?
Finally, how busy are the club's on a Friday morning just after opening time?
Hope someone can help.Sharks is OK. Showers and kitchen on main floor. Some rooms as well, such as the old kino rooms. Oase is much tougher, as locker is downstairs, and so is the kitchen on a different side and need to get down steps.
Cuddle is probably not an issue. Some girls demand extra for kissing, but you can negotiate. If you are not too particular about looks, that should not be an issue I have seen guys in wheel chairs and also amputated limbs. Some girls might be snooty and demand more from disabled, and some might refuse you outright but then again that can happen to any and all of us. Ignore them and you will have a good time.
Cheers.
Ex-Yugoslavian countries are at 45 degrees latitude. They are the tallest people in the world:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwideI thought the Maasai were taller.
Anyway, that Swedish theory on height sounds like bro science. He must have read Erasmus Montanus. 'A stone cannot fly, mother cannot fly. Ergo, mother is a stone'. Believing Swedish people ever has come up with something smart, beyond bro science is stupid and ludicrous!
I will stick to my ground radiation theory. Different on different tectonic plates with its own minerals and crust thickness. Possibly inflicted by stellar radiation. Or excessive drinking of non human, non essential inhumane animal milk among certain populations. Where other forms for nutrients are harder to obtain.
Member #4636
05-12-19, 08:09
Hi all,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I'm heading to Frankfurt next Friday (17th) and have a few hours to kill so I have a couple of questions.
1. I have walking difficulty so use a wheelchair normally, on this trip it will be a little scooter as I can get that on a plane. I can walk short distances on crutches. So my first question is are any clubs disabled friendly? By that I mean no steps into the club and private rooms downstairs.
2. Thanks to my disability I sometimes have a few problems with the little man down below. I'm not going into details but I don't need a blue pill. Are there any clubs where the girls might be more interested in a kiss and cuddle rather than normal services, just in case you know who decides to play up?
Finally, how busy are the club's on a Friday morning just after opening time?
Hope someone can help.Palace has some steps to ender the club. I believe Mainhattan is more friendly than all clubs because even in Sharks you will be limited to the down floor not to mention the distance to go there. Mainhattan has also better places to relax while sitting in your wheel chair.
Regarding the girls and the service it depends, some are not nice with disabled people some are even more friendly and take care. Just ask what you want before and you will have no problem I am sure you will find the right girl.
For Friday morning truth is that you have more chances in Sharks. Around mid day would be OK, otherwise wait for 1-2 hours more and go to Mainhattan. In Palace there is nothing moving before 7-8 pm anyway.
Had an interesting debate in Mainhattan two nights ago and thought I'the ask senior members for their thoughts.
Had a great session with Sharon / Cheron, including BDSM (which I requested) and I am aware the girls always want 50 more for that so no problem.
However, during the session (90 minutes because she was excellent) she asked me if I would like a covered dildo in my ass. I agreed.
She was skilful with it and it did add to the session even though I didn't request it.
We get to the locker. I want to give her 200.150 for the time (90 minutes) and 50 for the BDSM. She says it is 250 as she used the dildo? I started laughing and said I hadn't asked for it, and that as she wanted to do it I didn't see why I should pay more for it. She invited me to go to reception as she was very sure this is "always" extra. News to me. I've done it before when girls have proposed it and never had to pay.
I contemplated taking her up on the reception offer, but decided against for two reasons: I really liked her and the session was very good indeed. I will want to repeat (maybe without the dildo!) so I didn't want to "spoil" what could be other good sessions with her in future, and secondly, this has become my preferred club in the past year. I've always been a Sharks and Oase punter but I've seen some really good optics in Mainhattan in the last 12 months and I like the vibe in the club, so again, I don't really want to have a girl talking to others about me complaining. All over 50 euros. And in fact it wasn't about 50 - I had decided she was so good I was going to tip her 20 anyway, so in reality we were debating 30 more.
Just wondered if anyone else has come across this odd upsell?
Is it still possible to take a phone / tablet into the rest room and if yes do they have wifi?
Had an interesting debate in Mainhattan two nights ago and thought I'the ask senior members for their thoughts.
Had a great session with Sharon / Cheron, including BDSM (which I requested) and I am aware the girls always want 50 more for that so no problem.
However, during the session (90 minutes because she was excellent) she asked me if I would like a covered dildo in my ass. I agreed.
She was skilful with it and it did add to the session even though I didn't request it.
We get to the locker. I want to give her 200.150 for the time (90 minutes) and 50 for the BDSM. She says it is 250 as she used the dildo? I started laughing and said I hadn't asked for it,Can't really give a full answer, but I will share my modest experience to give you a lead:
Never had a dildo up my ass, so that's a blank. However, occasionally (not very often) the girls will without my request / permission start prostate stimulation with her finger during a BJ. In the early days at clubs like Oase/Palace extra payment was never requested and thus I never paid extra or tipped (even in 50 E sessions).
In addition to my FKK escapades I am an occasional visitor of massage parlours around the world. It's often an upsell hell, and you quickly learn to negotiate. IME prostate stimulation is not normally a separate extra, but is often included in one of the other extras. In the Frankfurt massage parlours you will often find PS advertised as an extra, but there is so much included that is extra in other parts of the world. Plus the masseuse will often provide it for free anyway.
You will also find that services in a brothels worldwide vary from brothel to brothel and from girl to girl. Those who make an upsell of it will often advertise it with a price as for BBBJ or DFK. In FKK terms those services are normally NOT regarded as an extra (but there are indeed upsellers around).
We are back to the fact that it is always smart to make an understanding with a girl before committing yourself. At least at the Frankfurt FKK Clubs, at least with a new girl, and in particular with services slightly outside the box. The girls are free to set their own prices except for basic 50 E per half hour, and at times it can be difficult to understand going rates.
Just a week ago I ended a great stay at Oase with a 60 mnts session with a regular of mine. It included prostate stimulation (on my request / it was my last session of a long weekend) + another legitimate extra. No negotiations outside or inside the the room. At the locker I paid 200 E for this. The girl was surprised and thanked me thoroughly. I have a strong feeling I overpaid (sorry guys).
I am not into BDSM that much. BDSM could mean a lot of different things, and you are not giving too much details about what it included. But why cannot a dildo up your ass be regarded as part of BDMS play? I would have thought so.
So we are back at that it's best to reach an understanding with the girl before committing yourself. The outcome may vary. In your case, since the girl did not ask extra for it in the session, I do not think it was in her right to demand extra for it. If she later at the front desk admitted to not have asked extra for it in the session, I have no doubt the front desk would have supported your right not to pay. But also; in this case you found repeat material and the 30 E can be seen as a smart investment in future pleasure. I can clearly see your point in avoiding drama.
So; no clear anwer from me. Sorry for my ramblings.
Had an interesting debate in Mainhattan two nights ago and thought I'the ask senior members for their thoughts.
Had a great session with Sharon / Cheron, including BDSM (which I requested) and I am aware the girls always want 50 more for that so no problem.
However, during the session (90 minutes because she was excellent) she asked me if I would like a covered dildo in my ass. I agreed.
She was skilful with it and it did add to the session even though I didn't request it.
We get to the locker. I want to give her 200.150 for the time (90 minutes) and 50 for the BDSM. She says it is 250 as she used the dildo? I started laughing and said I hadn't asked for it, and that as she wanted to do it I didn't see why I should pay more for it. She invited me to go to reception as she was very sure this is "always" extra. News to me. I've done it before when girls have proposed it and never had to pay.She really fucked you about money, not only with dildo, she should have told You about extra before starting, but you were right not to take her to desk to complain, it s only money and FKK are to spend our money. Only reason for me to complain is about lack of respect, the only time I complained about a girl at LR, because so unrespectful when already most often quite vulgar. She thinks she is a star and can t accept I never noticed her, not my fault, my eyes were made for chic elegant beauty, not her.
From my experiences, when girls like you and provide extra by chance, without you asked, usually they don t ask anything because they don t want to lose you, with one, one extra with no club rate became standard because she could cum like this.
Member #4636
05-12-19, 14:12
Had an interesting debate in Mainhattan two nights ago and thought I'the ask senior members for their thoughts.
Had a great session with Sharon / Cheron, including BDSM (which I requested) and I am aware the girls always want 50 more for that so no problem.
However, during the session (90 minutes because she was excellent) she asked me if I would like a covered dildo in my ass. I agreed.
She was skilful with it and it did add to the session even though I didn't request it.
We get to the locker. I want to give her 200.150 for the time (90 minutes) and 50 for the BDSM. She says it is 250 as she used the dildo? I started laughing and said I hadn't asked for it, and that as she wanted to do it I didn't see why I should pay more for it. She invited me to go to reception as she was very sure this is "always" extra. News to me. I've done it before when girls have proposed it and never had to pay.
I contemplated taking her up on the reception offer, but decided against for two reasons: I really liked her and the session was very good indeed.Anything you do extra in the room that was not discussed before is always extra. I don't know if there is a price list for every BDSM kinky stuff but you should negotiate before that we do some BDSM things including didlo and the price. She obviously did not want to add the didlo in your ass as part of the entire BDSM session but like something extra. To me it is not upsell I have heard more odd things.
Not my cup of tea but that still sounds like bullshit to me. Add that to the fact that she didn't quote a price explicitly, no way I would pay for that. Also, that scammy upsell attempt would give me good reason to not go with her again. Furthermore, if you're a regular at a club with known liberal spending habits, one girl complaining will not prevent other girls from going with you. If anything, they would know that you're not a sucker.
Had an interesting debate in Mainhattan two nights ago and thought I'the ask senior members for their thoughts.
Had a great session with Sharon / Cheron, including BDSM (which I requested) and I am aware the girls always want 50 more for that so no problem.
However, during the session (90 minutes because she was excellent) she asked me if I would like a covered dildo in my ass. I agreed.
She was skilful with it and it did add to the session even though I didn't request it.
We get to the locker. I want to give her 200.150 for the time (90 minutes) and 50 for the BDSM. She says it is 250 as she used the dildo? I started laughing and said I hadn't asked for it, and that as she wanted to do it I didn't see why I should pay more for it. She invited me to go to reception as she was very sure this is "always" extra. News to me. I've done it before when girls have proposed it and never had to pay.
Just commenting on the fact most commenters here seems to want to make a statement regarding not having had a dildo up their ass. Hehe.
Not my cup of tea but that still sounds like bullshit to me. Add that to the fact that she didn't quote a price explicitly, no way I would pay for that. Also, that scammy upsell attempt would give me good reason to not go with her again. Furthermore, if you're a regular at a club with known liberal spending habits, one girl complaining will not prevent other girls from going with you. If anything, they would know that you're not a sucker.Thanks. Interesting that Pksimar69 has a different view that it was an extra.
I've never had to ask before if this was an extra. It's all part and parcel of the BDSM experience. I agree with Shark 16 - just part of the deal I was already paying for. I tried joking with her "seriously. Can we go back to the room then and you can pay me 50 to put the dildo up your ass? She laughed.
You cannot negotiate every detail of every session. It would kill it. I'm all in favour of getting the deal straight before starting. But not to the point of asking about every possible movement or action.
Just one of those things. I agree with Sirioja. No point in complaining. Wasn't worth it given the great session and the intention to tip anyway. But takedown makes a strong point that her upsell at the end is a good reason not to repeat, or I suppose to get this clear from the outset next time (mood killer though that would be).
When you request BDSM and since you apparently agreed on 50 E as an extra for it, how was the request for BDSM made? Was it as stated, I. E. "I want BDSM"? Or did the request include specific sex acts that you wanted to be done to you by her and vice versa? I am not sure if a dildo up the guy's ass could be included in the BDSM category. If so, you could simply claim you are already paying for it.
But anything outside the very basic suck and fuck is to be negotiated prior to the act. The receptionist even includes that much in her pricing instructions to first time guests. As such, if you want to be safe, you should always ask if this act is included or if she is going to charge for it. I know most guys in the middle of sex don't do much of thinking, but one should not be surprised if a girl charges extra for any sex act that is not in the standard suck and fuck. That she suggested it to you is immaterial. Whether you requested or she suggested, the act was done and she provided such service.
In my experience, Sharks management takes the side of the guy in many of these situations. They would have sided with you, I think.
Polyamorist
05-13-19, 02:47
You cannot negotiate every detail of every session. It would kill it. I'm all in favour of getting the deal straight before starting. But not to the point of asking about every possible movement or action.
Salaam P48. If there was no agreement to pay, there is no obligation to pay. That is a standard of commerce worldwide and for all time.
If she had asked for 1000 euros would you have paid it? Seriously, she could have made up any figure she liked. But if you were not already familiar with that figure, then you were not under any obligation to honor it. It takes two parties to make a deal.
You should have called her bluff and taken her to reception. As of now, she has been incentivized to operate the same scam with other guys too. Standards keep falling and it is easy to see why.
You cannot negotiate every detail of every session.You said yourself, historically, you have never been asked to pay extra for this service. If it is not one of the established extras, she should have communicated to you upfront her expectations. Do not let her convince you that you are evil one here!
Furthermore, if you're a regular at a club with known liberal spending habits, one girl complaining will not prevent other girls from going with you.+1, if PFI were an established "cheap charlie" 50 EUR guy, he would be blacklisted for complaining to reception. But that's assuming the WG would have even taken PFI to reception. My guess is she would have backed down and been happy with her 200 EUR. If PFI had confidently agreed with going to reception, this Sharon / Cheron WG would probably have trailed behind PFI several paces. As PFI reaches reception and turns around, this Sharon / Cheron WG would be nowhere in sight. Game of chicken really.
PFI, please show some self-discipline and do not go with her next time you see her, and calmly explain your reason. I am not saying that you never have to go with her, but at least put her on probation. Best case scenario: She will on the spot, tell you that for all future sessions, a dildo up the ass is free as long as you agree to 90 minutes BDSM for 200. More probable scenario: She will walk away in a huff to see if you follow her. But once she sees you auditioning other WGs, or she hears you are happily paying 200 EUR to other WGs, she will reconsider. If not the same visit, then two or three visits later.
According to many whales that I have spoken to, a similar scenario plays out with the WhatsApp Western Union requests. The WGs try to squeeze some money out of the whale. When the whale says no, the WGs will ignore the whale and see if the whale begs for forgiveness. A few months might pass, but it seems like 90 percent of the cases, the WG comes crawling back. The WG of course, for reasons of pride, never apologizes. She simply pretends like nothing ever happened and that there was never a rift.
Some internet sources say Dutch are the tallest, some say the ex-Yugoslavian countries. Either way it is only a 1-2 cm difference either way. Part of the confusion is that each country does the survey on its own citizens and I suspect these snapshots don't lead to an apples-to-apples comparison. For instance, Bosnia might have sampled 300 men age 17-24 in 2005 and measured each man. Whereas Netherlands might have sample 350 men age 20 plus in 2016 and allowed for self-reporting. If you look at the Wiki link I originally posted the methodologies are sometimes listed.
Here is another interesting read. Based on military conscription records, in Van Gogh's day, the Dutch were amongst the shortest people in Europe. A century later they are amongst the tallest:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/04/05/the-height-gap
Had an interesting debate in Mainhattan two nights ago and thought I'the ask senior members for their thoughts.
Had a great session with Sharon / Cheron, including BDSM (which I requested) and I am aware the girls always want 50 more for that so no problem.
However, during the session (90 minutes because she was excellent) she asked me if I would like a covered dildo in my ass. I agreed.
She was skilful with it and it did add to the session even though I didn't request it.
We get to the locker. I want to give her 200.150 for the time (90 minutes) and 50 for the BDSM. She says it is 250 as she used the dildo? I started laughing and said I hadn't asked for it, and that as she wanted to do it I didn't see why I should pay more for it. She invited me to go to reception as she was very sure this is "always" extra. News to me. I've done it before when girls have proposed it and never had to pay.What so annoying with some of the girls in FKK nowadays is that, they began dividing standard sex acts and taking each small actions as an extra.
Once at palace, a girl came up to me to session, and in rare occasion I went with her because she was quite hot. Of course when she approached me, I made sure DFK and BBBJ was included in session, so I went to room with her, she did give DFK, she did BBBJ, then I was about to do DATY, then her hand blocked her pussy and said 50 euro extra LOL She got me there, I never had DATY as an extra in past 10 years in FKK, so I did not bother to even negotiate for DATY and voila, 50 euro extra LOL.
I did not even get annoyed, it was just ridiculous lough on my face then because upsell division of standard sex came this far.
Only hope we got without being hustled and annoyed with cheap scam are in nrw region only excluding oceans.
Not all girls are like this, but once in awhile I come across girl that make me go "what?
Standard session change as time goes by, but I would like them to stop dividing sex acts into so many small pieces and sell it as extra because prior negotiation before room get too annoying to the level that kills mood and made me anger fuck her in room to punish her than having good sex.
Some internet sources say Dutch are the tallest, some say the ex-Yugoslavian countries. Either way it is only a 1-2 cm difference either way. Part of the confusion is that each country does the survey on its own citizens and I suspect these snapshots don't lead to an apples-to-apples comparison. For instance, Bosnia might have sampled 300 men age 17-24 in 2005 and measured each man. Whereas Netherlands might have sample 350 men age 20 plus in 2016 and allowed for self-reporting. If you look at the Wiki link I originally posted the methodologies are sometimes listed.
Here is another interesting read. Based on military conscription records, in Van Gogh's day, the Dutch were amongst the shortest people in Europe. A century later they are amongst the tallest:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/04/05/the-height-gapAs a country I think it is the Dutch. As a region, Dalmatia in Croatia has taller people (try visiting Split and you'll see). And as a tribe, the Maasai of Kenya / Tanzania are even taller. As a discussion I have no idea why we have it here.
A few times I have been asked if I want to try something in the room. And since I get a hunsh where these incidents are going, I always ask "would it cost me anything? Every time I get a 'yes, 50 e'. But the last time, instead of twlling her only 'no', I decided to add a "no, but for the sake of avoiding conflict with the next guy, let him know the price when you ask about this". One of the girls I told this to just looked away and tried to avoid it. Maybe she thought I was a little rude. The other one told me straight up "but then he doesn't want it". And I replied "I know". And then we laughed a bit.
Some internet sources say Dutch are the tallest, some say the ex-Yugoslavian countries. Either way it is only a 1-2 cm difference either way. Part of the confusion is that each country does the survey on its own citizens and I suspect these snapshots don't lead to an apples-to-apples comparison. For instance, Bosnia might have sampled 300 men age 17-24 in 2005 and measured each man. Whereas Netherlands might have sample 350 men age 20 plus in 2016 and allowed for self-reporting. If you look at the Wiki link I originally posted the methodologies are sometimes listed.
Here is another interesting read. Based on military conscription records, in Van Gogh's day, the Dutch were amongst the shortest people in Europe. A century later they are amongst the tallest:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/04/05/the-height-gapAccording to girls, but they don't meet many black, some even refusing, so NL are said to be the biggest and Asians the smallest, resting pussy as say girls. This is made with muscles, so usually fat have small, full tattooed quite often also. I m happy because at the moment my new beauties say: You are good for me, even I know difficult for my Romanian pussy but we will find the good position for both, but better than being so often said: big for my small pussy.
As a country I think it is the Dutch. As a region, Dalmatia in Croatia has taller people (try visiting Split and you'll see). And as a tribe, the Maasai of Kenya / Tanzania are even taller. As a discussion I have no idea why we have it here.So basically, people near the equator and poles are hardly the tallest, the exact opposite really. Discussion started because of the claim here:
Basically near the equator and poles people are taller than at 45 degree latitude.
Game of chicken really.Yep, that sums it up for me. Very well put.
I am travelling tomorrow to NRW. Cologne, Dusseldorf area.
I will have time during the day (10 am - 4 pm) and then late in the evening 9 pm +.
My interested are nice natural tits, great deep BJ with CIM. Money are not a problem and I have a car.
Which will be the best club for me Samya, Babylon, Sauna Club, others.
Any girls names, descriptions will be appreciated.
Which club has the best / girst earlier during the day and which works late during the night?
Thank you in advance.
Sirioja,
Indeed, I was also told this by a girl once: Tatooed guys usually have small dicks. I suppose they have to make up for something. Or maybe the ink makes it shrink!
I am travelling tomorrow to NRW. Cologne, Dusseldorf area.
I will have time during the day (10 am - 4 pm) and then late in the evening 9 pm +.
My interested are nice natural tits, great deep BJ with CIM. Money are not a problem and I have a car.
Which will be the best club for me Samya, Babylon, Sauna Club, others.
Any girls names, descriptions will be appreciated.
Which club has the best / girst earlier during the day and which works late during the night?
Thank you in advance.With a car, GT Bruggen for a Tuesday. Explain them, You should pay only 1 entry for 60, for early day and evening. Arrive before 9.30 pm to get diner. Pizzas at 10.30 pm.
Tuesday is not best day in FKK.
Polyamorist
05-14-19, 13:49
Indeed, I was also told this by a girl once: Tatooed guys usually have small dicks. I suppose they have to make up for something. Or maybe the ink makes it shrink!It's about saving on German restroom charges:
http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a8MRBoO_700b.jpg
Sirioja,
Indeed, I was also told this by a girl once: Tatooed guys usually have small dicks. I suppose they have to make up for something. Or maybe the ink makes it shrink!Not only 1 girl and not only in 1 club, and can see under shower. I m always surprised to see some with slip under robe, and even more taking shower keeping on slip, how do You wash?
Sirioja,
Indeed, I was also told this by a girl once: Tatooed guys usually have small dicks. I suppose they have to make up for something. Or maybe the ink makes it shrink!And, maybe it's an aberration but I always felt that girls with tattoos don't enjoy sex as much as the girls without any such scar. At least with me. This is my experience based on few hundred girls I had sex with including both WGs and others. Maybe they don't get aroused because I don't have tattoos and my dislike for girls with tattoos is something felt very easily?
Steve 9696
05-15-19, 01:15
And, maybe it's an aberration but I always felt that girls with tattoos don't enjoy sex as much as the girls without any such scar. At least with me. This is my experience based on few hundred girls I had sex with including both WGs and others. Maybe they don't get aroused because I don't have tattoos and my dislike for girls with tattoos is something felt very easily?Every WG in Brazil has tattoos and there is no shortage of enthusiasm. Probably my biggest wildcat in bed (amongst many) had quite a lot of ink. Drop dead gorgeous too. I didn't find a single untatted girl.
Oh and Natalia at THC (Tokyo) sported a bunch of body art. She was actually the first girl Ive ever made really cum through DATY. (I never DATY more than 10 mins and most girls take longer than that). No question it was the real deal Tatts and all.
Saiintsman69
05-15-19, 01:18
Palace has some steps to ender the club. I believe Mainhattan is more friendly than all clubs because even in Sharks you will be limited to the down floor not to mention the distance to go there. Mainhattan has also better places to relax while sitting in your wheel chair.
Regarding the girls and the service it depends, some are not nice with disabled people some are even more friendly and take care. Just ask what you want before and you will have no problem I am sure you will find the right girl.
For Friday morning truth is that you have more chances in Sharks. Around mid day would be OK, otherwise wait for 1-2 hours more and go to Mainhattan. In Palace there is nothing moving before 7-8 pm anyway.Thanks, and thanks also to Thanos. It's kinda like I thought. I've now got all day on Sunday, so I might just pop in to Sharks early Friday for some snacks, a sauna, take in the ambience just to get a feel for the place. Of course if an interesting opportunity comes along I would be a fool not to accept it.
Every WG in Brazil has tattoos and there is no shortage of enthusiasm. Probably my biggest wildcat in bed (amongst many) had quite a lot of ink. Drop dead gorgeous too. I didn't find a single untatted girl.
Oh and Natalia at THC (Tokyo) sported a bunch of body art. She was actually the first girl Ive ever made really cum through DATY. (I never DATY more than 10 mins and most girls take longer than that). No question it was the real deal Tatts and all.Haha, yup must be me. Glad I haven't spent any time in Brazil, I would go nuts to find girls without tattoos. But my American, German, Swiss, Romanian and Bulgarian girls with no tattoos mostly have been fires in bed (and some in public) enjoying the sex with me, some FKK girls even having up to 12 orgasms in a single day (no I'm not making it up, Siri and other old timers will know them if I name them but I won't because most of them are 100% Catholic sessions). Even had few girls have orgasms while having sex in public on stage of some clubs. All of them with no deliberate scars of tattoos. I think my dislike for tattoos turns me off, which in turn turns off the girls with such scars.
Sirioja,
Indeed, I was also told this by a girl once: Tatooed guys usually have small dicks. I suppose they have to make up for something. Or maybe the ink makes it shrink!So, does the dick become smaller after he gets a tattoo?
Or is it that most guys with smaller dicks have a generic predisposition to get a tattoo?
And I am assuming this only applies to the Caucasians? Very few Asian males in FKKs have tattoos and yet they are not super well hung.
Or is this theory also as valid as the correlation between height and latitude?
Steve 9696
05-15-19, 02:16
Haha, yup must be me. Glad I haven't spent any time in Brazil, I would go nuts to find girls without tattoos. But my American, German, Swiss, Romanian and Bulgarian girls with no tattoos mostly have been fires in bed (and some in public) enjoying the sex with me, some FKK girls even having up to 12 orgasms in a single day (no I'm not making it up, Siri and other old timers will know them if I name them but I won't because most of them are 100% Catholic sessions). Even had few girls have orgasms while having sex in public on stage of some clubs. All of them with no deliberate scars of tattoos. I think my dislike for tattoos turns me off, which in turn turns off the girls with such scars.I think in the past few years as I've had more girls with tats that perhaps I've developed a fondness for it. You really would have hated Duda (common girls name in Brazil). I knew she was tatted up but when she took off her thigh high boots to expose an evil skull on her thigh I admit I was a bit surprised. But I kinda grew to like her badassedness!
And as I think back to Thailand a few years back I took a girl to the room who seemed maybe a bit of a party girl. Well in doggie I suddenly have the view of a full-color backplate. Wow! Now I know she was passionate because the room was filled with the smell of sex, which you don't get every day with a WG. But wow yes a full backplate! Youzza!
So, does the dick become smaller after he gets a tattoo?
Or is it that most guys with smaller dicks have a generic predisposition to get a tattoo?
And I am assuming this only applies to the Caucasians? Very few Asian males in FKKs have tattoos and yet they are not super well hung.
Or is this theory also as valid as the correlation between height and latitude?I think people get tattoos to make up for some perceived deficiency, may it be feeling of low self esteem due to small dick or lack of strength or confidence or natural beauty. Same reason some women get sillicone boobs (which weirdly I'm not totally opposed to if it's nicely done and gives the girl some enhanced confidence). People may give you all sorts of stories and reasoning, but in the end tattoos are an expression that "I need to put some ink on me to change my perception of me to others". For example, in ancient days many uneducated poor tribes used to get tattoos of jewellery because they couldn't afford real jewellery; basically to make up for being incapable of making enough money to buy real jewellery.
Milfotronic
05-15-19, 05:13
I'm planning a trip to Frankfurt in Aug / Sept. I'm yet to try an FKK in that area. I know there are several, but if I would only try one which would you recommend? Is Oase or World worth the time on the train? Tell me what you think.
I think in the past few years as I've had more girls with tats that perhaps I've developed a fondness for it.I've found that tutes with tats are quite likely to provide some dirty, PSE sex with anal more often being on the menu. This is what I like, so I tend to be drawn to otherwise pretty girls who may be tatted up. I don't think that a tattoo necessarily detracts from a girl's beauty. It may, or it may not. For me, it depends. Whereas, I think some guys are just turned off by tattoos altogether. I am not, especially since I have experienced a strong link between tats and PSE sessions.
I think people get tattoos to make up for some perceived deficiency, may it be feeling of low self esteem due to small dick or lack of strength or confidence or natural beauty. Same reason some women get sillicone boobs (which weirdly I'm not totally opposed to if it's nicely done and gives the girl some enhanced confidence). People may give you all sorts of stories and reasoning, but in the end tattoos are an expression that "I need to put some ink on me to change my perception of me to others". For example, in ancient days many uneducated poor tribes used to get tattoos of jewellery because they couldn't afford real jewellery; basically to make up for being incapable of making enough money to buy real jewellery.In the US, it is usually the people on the lower end of the economic / education strata that get tattoos. In that sense, it is more of a class thing. Tattoos are looked down upon and could be a hindrance to obtain employment at white shoe firms on Wall St or other such places. High Tech is much more tolerant and you can have a large tattoo up your neck and may still be offered a job at Google or FB, but but not Goldman or Cerberus. By race, tattoos are quite common with Black and Hispanic people and less wealthy, less educated Whites (unkindly referred by many as White trash).
I don't think there is any correlation of tattoo to perceived lack of self belief, or worse yet physical qualities like beauty, dick size or boob size. People can spin such theories as much as they want, but there will never be any proof. To many of those, it is a class thing. They get a tattoo because everyone around them has one. The smart ones get a small tat in a discrete area. The dumb ones plaster themselves with big ugly badly drawn tattoos all over the body and sometimes try to erase them leaving even more mess.
I have seen several beautiful girls mutilate themselves with tattoos which pains me. They were quite beautiful before they got it, and they knew they were beautiful. Janine Lindemulder was a famous porn star 20 years ago. She was super gorgeous, you should check out her Penthouse spread from 1988. For a while she did girl girl only. Then she got into drugs, bad marriages and got tattoos. Then she looked hideous.
I think people get tattoos to make up for some perceived deficiency.You could also say the same thing about anything that adorns or enhances one's appearance (Rolex, designer suit, expensive sports car, luxury handbag, having WG as arm candy in public, plastic surgery, weightlifting). If one is truly honest with themselves, they should have some sort of deficiency. That said any of the aforementioned, including tattoos, if taken to extremes, might suggest a more serious problem.
There is a generational conflict when it comes to tattoos: millennial 47 percent, versus boomers 13 percent. 15 percent of millennial have at least five tattoos (most of the NBA, Neymar, Messi, etc.) If someone is of the boomer generation and has a tattoo, then chances are they wanted to communicate to the world that they were an outsider, gang-affiliated or member of Motley Crue.
https://www.axios.com/millennials-are-a-tattooed-generation-92ca4dea-e16e-4db5-a07a-bdd0ca981d74.html
I'm planning a trip to Frankfurt in Aug / Sept. I'm yet to try an FKK in that area. I know there are several, but if I would only try one which would you recommend? Is Oase or World worth the time on the train? Tell me what you think.Oase shuttle from Frankfurt. From my information, I have to find time to give a look at Sharks, World is still magic for the club, but best looks seem to be at Oase.
I've found that tutes with tats are quite likely to provide some dirty, PSE sex with anal more often being on the menu. This is what I like, so I tend to be drawn to otherwise pretty girls who may be tatted up. I don't think that a tattoo necessarily detracts from a girl's beauty. It may, or it may not. For me, it depends. Whereas, I think some guys are just turned off by tattoos altogether. I am not, especially since I have experienced a strong link between tats and PSE sessions.I personally prefer zero tats. However, a few small tats artfully done and not distracting from the overall skin tone are OK. What does suck is that some girls plaster themselves with badly done, massive sized tats all over arms and front. That takes away from the beauty otherwise. Tats on skin are like noise in music to me. Well placed and not too distracting is tolerable. Too much, the noise overwhelms the music.
As for correlation of tats to PSE sex, I don't know if I can refute anecdotal evidence. In my view, any such correlation is small. The one thing though is that with age, girls are more likely to get more tats and as they age they are also more likely to accept anal and other PSE services as they get less business due to wanting looks.
You could also say the same thing about anything that adorns or enhances one's appearance (Rolex, designer suit, expensive sports car, luxury handbag, having WG as arm candy in public, plastic surgery, weightlifting). If one is truly honest with themselves, they should have some sort of deficiency. That said any of the aforementioned, including tattoos, if taken to extremes, might suggest a more serious problem.
There is a generational conflict when it comes to tattoos: millennial 47 percent, versus boomers 13 percent. 15 percent of millennial have at least five tattoos (most of the NBA, Neymar, Messi, etc.) If someone is of the boomer generation and has a tattoo, then chances are they wanted to communicate to the world that they were an outsider, gang-affiliated or member of Motley Crue.
https://www.axios.com/millennials-are-a-tattooed-generation-92ca4dea-e16e-4db5-a07a-bdd0ca981d74.htmlGenerally I agree with the gist of your post. As I said below, in my own opinion tats are more correlated to class, education and income level. Is it also related to age? Perhaps. Maybe there is a greater acceptance of tats among the younger. I would say, people in performing arts and expressive fields are more likely to get tats too. Rock stars and heavy metal guys may always have had them, people doing waitressing jobs are more likely than girls going to corporate law.
I have seen several beautiful girls mutilate themselves with tattoos which pains me. They were quite beautiful before they got it, and they knew they were beautiful. Janine Lindemulder was a famous porn star 20 years ago. She was super gorgeous, you should check out her Penthouse spread from 1988. For a while she did girl girl only. Then she got into drugs, bad marriages and got tattoos. Then she looked hideous.Liya Silver is a more recent example of tattoos diminishing a very pretty picture. I just hope that she doesn't expand her collection.
Liya Silver is a more recent example of tattoos diminishing a very pretty picture. I just hope that she doesn't expand her collection.The big tattoo lining the breasts may be for hiding a conspicuous breast implant scar.
I like tattoos because to me they mean a girl has mileage and is a wicked sex machine. I think girls would not get tattoos if mongers generally disliked tattoos. Girls usually know which side their bread is buttered on.
On The Side
05-15-19, 20:34
Hello everyone. I need to be in Germany for the first time ever and am trying to determine in which city I should spend my free time in to visit a FKK Club. Of Munich, Hamburg and Frankfurt which would you recommend?
Hello everyone. I need to be in Germany for the first time ever and am trying to determine in which city I should spend my free time in to visit a FKK Club. Of Munich, Hamburg and Frankfurt which would you recommend?Frankfort first, then drive around NRW smaller clubs. Not much in Munchen.
Girls usually know which side their bread is buttered on.You mean these tattooed working girls, e. G. In FKKs, know what's better for them financially? Same girls who would rather make 300 e in a day by sticking to upselling routines than making 1000 e per day by providing good standard services? Or donating their hard earned money to pimps and lover boys?
Try doing a survey across FKKs and see which girls are financially well positioned after working even as little as one year. You will see the effect of different personalities between girls with and without tattoos. In my experience, girls without tattoos are more responsible types about their future, exactly why they don't like to put some intentional permanent scars or marks on their body that is nearly impossible to remove when that goes bad years later or they don't like anymore, besides potentially losing business.
The big tattoo lining the breasts may be for hiding a conspicuous breast implant scar.
I like tattoos because to me they mean a girl has mileage and is a wicked sex machine. I think girls would not get tattoos if mongers generally disliked tattoos. Girls usually know which side their bread is buttered on.It all depends on the tattoo. Most tattoos are pretty harmless. But at certain sizes they harm more than less.
It is like kitch body art if done right, or a drunk bikers gut, if done wrong. I have seen both, on girls and guys. And sometimes I wonder if the line is drawn at 50%. Or maybe the bad examples just stand out more.
Hello everyone. I need to be in Germany for the first time ever and am trying to determine in which city I should spend my free time in to visit a FKK Club. Of Munich, Hamburg and Frankfurt which would you recommend?I second Gino's recommendation. Thirty km north of Frankfurt Hbf is Oase. Thirty km south is Sharks. Within Frankfurt are Mainhattan and Palace. Of these, I've only been to Sharks, but had a good time.
NRW-I just visited LivingRoom for the first time and I was fortunate enough to have some fantastic sex with a stunning young woman. I wrote a report from the perspective of a first-timer here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2593-SC-Sauna-Club-Living-Room-Kaarst&p=2314234&viewfull=1#post2314234.
When I go back I want to try GoldenTime based on recommendations. Last year I visited Samya, just south of Koeln, and enjoyed it. Would go back.
Try doing a survey across FKKs and see which girls are financially well positioned after working even as little as one year. You will see the effect of different personalities between girls with and without tattoos. In my experience, girls without tattoos are more responsible types about their future, exactly why they don't like to put some intentional permanent scars or marks on their body that is nearly impossible to remove when that goes bad years later or they don't like anymore, besides potentially losing business.To be fair, in the WG population, over 50% if not 75-80% of the girls have tattoos. I can't think of a "responsible" WG that didn't have a tattoo. My thoughts are that your claim only holds up if you're thinking from a western, civilian, 20th century state of mind. The problem is that we're talking about Eastern European, 21st century working girls.
You mean these tattooed working girls, e. G. In FKKs, know what's better for them financially? Same girls who would rather make 300 e in a day by sticking to upselling routines than making 1000 e per day by providing good standard services? Or donating their hard earned money to pimps and lover boys?Eurh ... I for one donate my hard-earned money to lover girls (that's why I am on this forum). But I still consider I know what's best for me. What is best for me is getting what I want. I assume the same for these girls.
I also hinted that tattoed girls are statistically more likely to provide awsome service. Who needs girls who are "responsible"? Being "more responsible" is not conducive to good service in girls IMO. Neither is having a college degree or being a teetotaller. This is a vice market.
Maybe tattooed girls understand their body is done anyway once they hit 40. So why not enjoy it while it lasts? This is cleverer than take student loans into their thirties to become unemployed, complain there are no more good men and desperately try to get pregnant after 45.
Eurh ... I for one donate my hard-earned money to lover girls (that's why I am on this forum). But I still consider I know what's best for me. What is best for me is getting what I want. I assume the same for these girls.
I also hinted that tattoed girls are statistically more likely to provide awsome service. Who needs girls who are "responsible"? Being "more responsible" is not conducive to good service in girls IMO. Neither is having a college degree or being a teetotaller. This is a vice market.
Maybe tattooed girls understand their body is done anyway once they hit 40. So why not enjoy it while it lasts? This is cleverer than take student loans into their thirties to become unemployed, complain there are no more good men and desperately try to get pregnant after 45.
Good points. Different guys are into different types of girls. Some enjoy fucking tattooed trashy type girls, some like me prefer without tattoos classic beauty types. Those liking tattooed girls are closer to the reality, as you say this is a vice market. Too bad for guys like me as classy beautiful girls without tattoos are becoming rare these days. But when I do find one (eg last month), she provides ten times better sex with me than few of the trashy ones I happen to be ever with. Of course, YMMV as usual.
Good points. Different guys are into different types of girls. Some enjoy fucking tattooed trashy type girls, some like me prefer without tattoos classic beauty types. Those liking tattooed girls are closer to the reality, as you say this is a vice market. Too bad for guys like me as classy beautiful girls without tattoos are becoming rare these days. But when I do find one (eg last month), she provides ten times better sex with me than few of the trashy ones I happen to be ever with. Of course, YMMV as usual.I too prefer no tat girls. But I wonder if the sex is better with one vs the other. To your claim that the no tat girl provided 10 times better sex, it may simply be that you are 10 times more attracted to her cleaner skin tone and looks and this drives your excitement levels up; and sex feels more pleasurable.
We all know that the human brain is the biggest sex organ in the body and dick and pussy are more extensions of that organ.
But on purely sexual service issues, is there any true correlation between tats or lack of and service talent / enthusiasm / energy level of the girl? I doubt it. On this thread, the guys who like tattooed girls are claiming that such girls provide better service and guys preferring no tat girls think such girls provide better services. Surely both groups of these guys can't be right, can they? Does one group of girls suck better, take the whole dick in mouth, apply more spit, kiss more and with tongue, have better oral hygiene, take doggie better without arching and so on and on? Very very doubtful that girls can split into 2 different service levels on all those parameters just using tattoo as a variable. In my view, guys have visual preference for one or the other, and they simply extrapolate their own excitement thus derived from optimal optics to an overall service level.
Kosher Kowboy
05-17-19, 19:03
I don't know how European phone plans work if within the EU if there is unlimited data or not so maybe this applies more to the guests from North America and Asia. I just opened my e-mail and saw my Sprint Bill (forgot to pay it last month) was not double it's usual two month price but just over triple. I get hit with whatever this shit is:
Overage: 2.5807 GB Additional Wireless Data Roaming. Germany.
Overage: 0.0517 GB Additional Wireless Data Roaming. Netherlands.
I set my phone to the proper settings per Sprint support. They told me a few months ago to turn all my e-mails, apps etc. Off ' auto grab' so you actually have to open the app or the email for it to pull data and turn off the notifications as well on all messenger apps; he said just turning the phone off won't prevent this ' grabbing. '.
I am on average 7-12 days in Germany a month now with two very long stays planned this year. Do I need to buy a German phone like some shit burner phone and pay with minutes as you go and install the apps I need? One of the Gypsies tells me her phone is a pre-paid everything which sounds like a TracPhone type thing here where you just buy refill cards.
Sprint tried to sell me some plan that is like $120 more per month but I think they are upselling me!
If anyone knows the solution to this please feel free to make any suggestions. My SMS to folks in the states, WhatsApp, Facebook IM, AOL and Gmail as well as the internet are what I mainly use and where there is Wifi including riding on The Creampie Express and other trains I use I am on WiFi too although it switches to ' LTE' or ' 3 G' often without me noticing. Same in the hotel; Sprint tells me this is not the phone that the hotel WiFi is too many users on it will also boot folks and / or since it requires log ins if you are logged in to your laptop and phone it will boot one or the other. Perhaps he is bullshitting me on that too. He told me a SIM card won't make a difference but perhaps he is bullshitting on that too in order to sell me a new plan.
Sorry I am not technically up to date, I am still living in the Ice Age when it comes to this stuff.
Normally I have my company phone which has unlimited data and voice usage globally. But I also have a 2nd phone that is on my personal plan. When I travel abroad I power down my personal device or use it in WiFi only or even use my company phone to tether my personal phone. I need my personal phone because I don't like to do my amorous activities including checking out ISG from my business phone.
Occasionally I have paid international on my personal device. But as you said overage charges are excessive. Since there is no prior agreement between you and them, your telco carrier is at liberty to suck every last ounce of your blood.
One solution is to sign up for a international plan before you leave. I have Verizon but I know AT&T has a similar plan and very likely Sprint and TMo do too. They charge 10 bucks a day for unlimited data and voice usage. Verizon also has a monthly plan which costs 50 I think. So if you are in DE more than 5 days, can sign up for that as opposed to the daily $10 plan.
I have not used a local sim which is probably much cheaper. However I am not sure how easy it is for an American tourist to obtain a temporary or even a permanent German SIM. Worth exploring. Perhaps you should buy a unlocked phone first and then load it with a local sim at the airport, assuming registration is not onerous.
I don't know how European phone plans work if within the EU if there is unlimited data or not so maybe this applies more to the guests from North America and Asia. I just opened my e-mail and saw my Sprint Bill (forgot to pay it last month) was not double it's usual two month price but just over triple. I get hit with whatever this shit is:
Overage: 2. 5807 GB Additional Wireless Data Roaming. Germany.
Overage: 0. 0517 GB Additional Wireless Data Roaming. Netherlands.
I set my phone to the proper settings per Sprint support. They told me a few months ago to turn all my e-mails, apps etc. Off ' auto grab' so you actually have to open the app or the email for it to pull data and turn off the notifications as well on all messenger apps; he said just turning the phone off won't prevent this ' grabbing. '.
I am on average 7-12 days in Germany a month now with two very long stays planned this year. Do I need to buy a German phone like some shit burner phone and pay with minutes as you go and install the apps I need? One of the Gypsies tells me her phone is a pre-paid everything which sounds like a TracPhone type thing here where you just buy refill cards.
Sprint tried to sell me some plan that is like $120 more per month but I think they are upselling me!
If anyone knows the solution to this please feel free to make any suggestions. My SMS to folks in the states, WhatsApp, Facebook IM, AOL and Gmail as well as the internet are what I mainly use and where there is Wifi including riding on The Creampie Express and other trains I use I am on Wifi too although it switches to ' LTE' or ' 3 G' often without me noticing. Same in the hotel; Sprint tells me this is not the phone that the hotel WIfi is too many users on it will also boot folks and / or since it requires log ins if you are logged in to your laptop and phone it will boot one or the other. Perhaps he is bullshitting me on that too. He told me a SIM card won't make a difference but perhaps he is bullshitting on that too in order to sell me a new plan.
Sorry I am not technically up to date, I am still living in the Ice Age when it comes to this stuff.
In Germany and neighboring countries, one of the best deal is Lebara SIM cards. You can get their SIM card in most gas stations for 15-20 e with 5 GB data and some minutes included. Then top-up as you need, they have plans like 10 GB data and unlimited minutes for 20 e. You can top-up using their App or in most gas stations or Rewe etc. But activating any new SIM card in Germany first time is a major pain in the ass with video call with the company's identification center. And you must use the SIM at least once per month (you have to do that while your phone is physically in countries that Lebara covers) else they will automatically deactivate the card and next time you have to again go thru that painful process of activating the SIM. Most of the gypsies use Lebara or similar other SIMs as these MVNOs give way better deals compared to T-mobile, E-Plus, O2 or Vodafone, and works well in most of the Europe, particularly well in Germany, Romania, Bulgaria etc. If your phone is unlocked, you can just swap the American SIM before you land in Germany. But since you KK are on Sprint, that phone might not work as Sprint uses (at least used to) some different technologies compared to rest like T-mobile, AT&T or Verizon, and I had problems (many years back though) in swapping SIM on a Sprint phone. Alternatively, you can just get a cheap unlocked (may be one model older than latest) Samsung or LG or some other unlocked phone from Amazon (they have sweet deals) and simply use that phone while you are outside USA. Must have to keep the Sprint phone powered off (and possibly even take the SIM out) for your trip so that Sprint system doesn't try to push data while roaming internationally.
If you get that cheap unlocked international phone in Amazon (meaning you use your Sprint phone in USA, and this cheap one outside of USA),
(1) Best truly international (meaning you can use the same phone and plans in USA as well as in Europe) deal that I know is Google Fi (https://fi.google.com/) but make sure you get a phone that is supported by Google Fi. Their plan is $10/GB of data anywhere in the world and they have pretty good service in Germany and rest of the Europe.
(2) Next best deal is T-mobile USA. Again make sure the cheap unlocked international phone you get from Amazon is compatible with T-mobile. Good thing is if you get a phone that is supported by Google Fi, that will definitely be supported by T-mobile as Google Fi is basically an MVNO that uses T-Mobile US, U.S. Cellular, Sprint etc towers in USA and other big network operators in other countries. T-mobile works OK in Germany but not as good as Google Fi or local SIMs as they downgrade you to 2G service outside USA unless you pay ahead some $20 worth of plus service for 4G/LTE. I prefer Google Fi over T-mobile.
International plans from other US providers AT&T, Verizon, Sprint etc are way more expensive and way worse service (coverage and speed).
Hope this helps. Let me know here or by PM if you need any more info.
Going through the trouble of getting European sim cards and putting in your unlocked phone or a burner is the cheapest option but I find that to be a pain in the ass. Instead, I use Sprint's international high speed data service. They provide an international roaming plan with unlimited data for $25 per week. Sms is free and calls are $0. 25 per minute. I'm not sure if I had to call to set it up but now I just go to the url they sms to me every time I land in Europe.
http://intlroam.sprint.com/
This way, I still have access to all phone functionality as if I were in the States while having seemless high speed access. The only drawback I think is that the speed is throttled in certain countries but otherwise it's fast enough to watch youtube videos and I don't have to worry about data overage. In short, $25 per week added to my phone bill for easy breezy internet access.
I don't know how European phone plans work if within the EU if there is unlimited data or not so maybe this applies more to the guests from North America and Asia. I just opened my e-mail and saw my Sprint Bill (forgot to pay it last month) was not double it's usual two month price but just over triple. I get hit with whatever this shit is:
Overage: 2. 5807 GB Additional Wireless Data Roaming. Germany.
Overage: 0. 0517 GB Additional Wireless Data Roaming. Netherlands.
I set my phone to the proper settings per Sprint support. They told me a few months ago to turn all my e-mails, apps etc. Off ' auto grab' so you actually have to open the app or the email for it to pull data and turn off the notifications as well on all messenger apps; he said just turning the phone off won't prevent this ' grabbing. '.
In Germany and neighboring countries, one of the best deal in Lebara SIM cards. You can get them in most gas stations for 15-20 e with 5 GB included. Then top-ups are 10 GB for 20 e or similar plans you can do using their App or in most gas stations or Rewe etc. But activating the SIM card first time is a major pain in the ass with video call with their identification center. And you must use the SIM at least once per month else they will automatically deactivate the card and you have to again go thru that painful process of activating the SIM.That's interesting! I tried to get a German sim three weeks ago in Moers at T Mobile, they would not sell me one as I did not have a permanent address in Germany. It was unnecessary anyway, I was going to use it to contact girls that work out of an apartment, they won't reply to calls without identification. What requirements did Lebara have?
That's interesting! I tried to get a German sim three weeks ago in Moers at T Mobile, they would not sell me one as I did not have a permanent address in Germany. It was unnecessary anyway, I was going to use it to contact girls that work out of an apartment, they won't reply to calls without identification. What requirements did Lebara have?Yeah, big real network operators will do that. I had a similar experience in Saturn in Darmstadt and also in Dietzenbach.
Then I went to a gas station, just picked up a Lebara card, and followed their instructions. I needed to be in good WIFI to make the video call though, McDonald's free WIFI didn't work. Lebara was totally OK with my American passport as the identification. If I remember correctly, they needed two IDs, so I think I gave them my US Driver License as well. But that video call was real pain in the ass, even for me who has a pretty high threshold before my patience breaks down LOL.
Pro tips. Getting and activating a Lebara or other MVNO SIM card is not that complicated in Romania or Bulgaria. So if you can have one of your Gypsy to get an already activated SIM card for you, that maybe even simpler. I might do that for my next trip. 😁
For a while I used an Aldi sim card. You need a German address to register, so just took one from an Ibis hotel I had stayed at. Never had any problems, nowadays I can use my minutes and data all over Europe without extra charge.
If you get that cheap unlocked international phone in Amazon (meaning you use your Sprint phone in USA, and this cheap one outside of USA)Based on value and "bang for buck", a lot of people think Xiaomi is producing the best phones.
Xiaomi sells its equipment at prices that are only slightly above the manufacturing costs. The smartphone flagship of the manufacturer Mix 3, for example, offers similar specifications as the recently discontinued iPhone X from Apple or the Galaxy Note 9 from Samsung, but starts at the equivalent of just 417 euros (3,299 yuan). * For comparison: The iPhone X was 1.149 Euro suggested retail price, the Galaxy Note 9 costs 999 Euro.
https://www.businessinsider.de/xiaomi-ein-unternehmen-aus-china-laesst-apple-alt-aussehen-2018-11
Note that 417 EUR is for the Xiaomi's highest-end phones. I have the Redmi 6 A (110 USD on Amazon, 116 EUR Amazon DE). Unless you are playing video games, you probably won't notice a difference in performance. I have shown it to numerous people. They are amazed at the quality and speed that you can get at such a cheap price point. The Redmi 6 A has dual SIM cards so you can have a German phone number and home country phone number if you choose. I hate swapping out. I just leave them both in and disable SIMs if necessary.
(1) Best truly international (meaning you can use the same phone and plans in USA as well as in Europe) deal that I know is Google Fi (https://fi.google.com/) but make sure you get a phone that is supported by Google Fi. Their plan is $10/GB of data anywhere in the world and they have pretty good service in Germany and rest of the Europe.I had to clear the cache a few times based on advice from customer support, but I got the Google FI SIM card to work on my Redmi 6 A which is not a "supported device". Clarifying a few things: (1) it costs $20 for unlimited phone and texts, and $10 per GB, but any data above 6 GB is free, so this means your monthly bill will be between $20-$80 regardless of how much data you use, regardless of location, and (2) if not abundantly clear from first point, Project FI has no concept of roaming, so you can use 3 GB in Japan, 2 GB in USA and 1 GB in Japan, and you always pay the same price as if you used all 6 GB in USA.
Kosher Kowboy
05-17-19, 23:40
(2) Next best deal is T-mobile USA.
unless you pay ahead some $20 worth of plus service for 4G/LTE
International plans from other US providers AT&T, Verizon, Sprint etc are way more expensive and way worse service (coverage and speed).I think I am even more confused now than before.
However T-Mobile has been suggested to me a few times today and all by Americans who tell me the service in Germany is excellent for them and one of them is a former Sprint user. Higher speeds, faster internet and for a few extra bucks per month my usual usage I am told won't cost me what Sprint is gauging me for. T-Mobile will buy my contract out as well and probably toss me some perks or at least the first year ' give the service away. ' I also had an issue with Sprint trying to call the USA directly and the minute I dialed ' Call Failed' came up; I am told T-Mobile coverage in Germany is much better and that Sprint is the worst carrier to have there. I think I will just switch to T-Mobile and be fully covered.
I would like to be fully covered all over Germany except in one place.
The Zimmer.
I think I am even more confused now than before :D
However T-Mobile has been suggested to me a few times today and all by Americans who tell me the service in Germany is excellent for them and one of them is a former Sprint user. Higher speeds, faster internet and for a few extra bucks per month my usual usage I am told won't cost me what Sprint is gauging me for. T-Mobile will buy my contract out as well and probably toss me some perks or at least the first year ' give the service away. ' I also had an issue with Sprint trying to call the USA directly and the minute I dialed ' Call Failed' came up; I am told T-Mobile coverage in Germany is much better and that Sprint is the worst carrier to have there. I think I will just switch to T-Mobile and be fully covered.
I would like to be fully covered all over Germany except in one place.
The ZimmerIt may be worth investing in a cheaper smart phone and get a European sim. With the new EU agreement roaming costs are nothing and most have good coverage. For example, you can buy a Proximus Pay&Go sim in Belgium for 25 e with prepaid minutes on it without showing any documents. In Italy you need to show your passport since the rendition issue. Romania has some reasonable plans. If you can score a Mobile Viking sim it's decent service and you can pay as little as 5 e per month to keep it active and then load more by the app when traveling.
I think I will just switch to T-Mobile and be fully covered.
KK,
I think that T-mobile is the best choice for you if you are a heavy user, because T-mobile is a German company and started out in Germany. So, as you can imagine, it has extensive network and infrastructure here.
If you are an occasional user, German sim card like Lebara is probably better choice as Gino02 and Chongmal suggested. You can register Lebara sim card in Deutsche post (German post office) now and they only need your passport when you register it.
For example, you can buy a Proximus Pay&Go sim in Belgium for 25 e with prepaid minutes on it without showing any documents. I think that there is a new EU law effective in July 2018, which states the owner of any new sim card in EU has to register it with its carrier before he is able to use it. I also think that prepaid sim card is still more expensive than the plans KK and Gino02 were talking about if you are a heavy user.
KK,
I think that T-mobile is the best choice for you ...Yeah I agree, more so given that he has to break his current Sprint contract, which Tmo will pay for, plus feels like he's not as tech savvy (not even close) as he's pussy savvy. 😂.
Bfsie. Invaluable info that can register a sim at Deutsche Post. I came unstuck last year just after the new law and couldn't register a sim online or in-store as I was not German resident. It is good to hear that they have sorted out this glitch.
Bfsie. Invaluable info that can register a sim at Deutsche Post. I came unstuck last year just after the new law and couldn't register a sim online or in-store as I was not German resident. It is good to hear that they have sorted out this glitch.+1. Yes, many thanks Bfsie. It's a very useful info to be now possible to activate a SIM card at Deutsche Post offices. Last time I had to go thru a really painful online video call process.
Polyamorist
05-19-19, 23:01
+1. Yes, many thanks Bfsie. It's a very useful info to be now possible to activate a SIM card at Deutsche Post offices. Last time I had to go thru a really painful online video call process.Ya lahwy, being interviewed by the State just to get a sim was waaay OTT. For a while Germany was even on the dreaded SIM greylist with the likes of Iran and North Korea. Inshallah they will stay out of that hole to nowhere in the future.
Banana Boi
05-20-19, 04:54
What happened to Pussyliccker? Is he still around?
ExpatLover
05-20-19, 07:29
What happened to Pussyliccker? Is he still around?May be his tongue was catched in a pussy.
Sometimes I just can't resist a particularly sweet pair of nipples. That's enough. Anyone else fall for particular weaknesses?
I think that there is a new EU law effective in July 2018, which states the owner of any new sim card in EU has to register it with its carrier before he is able to use it. I also think that prepaid sim card is still more expensive than the plans KK and Gino02 were talking about if you are a heavy user.This somehow didn't impact me. The sim stays active as long as it's reloaded every 90 days. So for me I have no costs for the sim between visits. I also bought a local Samsung phone with 2 sim slots so I leave them in and activate the appropriate one depending on which side of the ocean I'm on. Also, for me, T-Mobile stops working about 50 km from my primary location in the US.
Sometimes I just can't resist a particularly sweet pair of nipples. That's enough. Anyone else fall for particular weaknesses?I too get down with pink fluffy nipples. I like some big full titties but fluffy nips on A cups also get the juices flowing.
I have a business trip coming up to the Bielefeld area- which seems in the middle of nowhere in club's geography. Most clubs that I am familiar with around Dusseldorf / Cologne area are at least 2 hours away; same to Hamburg. Any info suggestions in this are appreciated.
Oh god, did anyone see the the bordel discussion in last episode of Game of Thrones? Just when I thought that show couldn't get any worse, or more filled up with political crap.
Sebastiane
05-21-19, 19:11
However they always find a way to get an 'annual leave' for 2 months in summer and another 15 days or so in Christmas and Easter. What a good employer! LOL.30 days (excluding weekends) is standard practice in all of the EU! I know its not like that in the US but this is another area where the USA is so far behind in terms of workers' rights.
You know, the city of Bielefeld doesn't actually exist so it's not so strange there are no clubs there either.
I have a business trip coming up to the Bielefeld area- which seems in the middle of nowhere in club's geography. Most clubs that I am familiar with around Dusseldorf / Cologne area are at least 2 hours away; same to Hamburg. Any info suggestions in this are appreciated."Das gibt's doch gar nicht"!
Seriously, I doubt that you will find any good clubs around this area or else we would hear about them. The best I can offer is a few places you could reach if you had a car. FKK Villa in Hanover, Golden Night in Herford, Love Toxic in Enger, Sauna Club Yasmin in Melle, Zeus FKK Club in Osnabruk and finally Wellness Sauna Club in Bad Lippspringe. I know absolutely nothing about them but if the Autobahn exit to Bielefeld is still closed then maybe you could take a chance.
BrownFish1234
05-21-19, 22:23
This is my first post here.
My first trip to Frankfurt is coming up on August 14 . I'll be there for 3 days. I've done all of my hobbying in Tijuana and USA.
I've been doing research for the past couple of months about the German FKK clubs.
I would appreciate it very much if some of you can provide me with some info about mainhattan, palace, sharks, Oase.
1. Size of the clubs and the general number of ladies during the time of the day, weekday and weekend.
2. $$ if I'm looking for GFE. DFK DATY MSOG mpcfs bbjcim.
3 . Average age and ethnicity of the ladies.
4 . Ways to get to the club other than taxi from the Frankfurt hbf train station.
Any other info about what to do and what not to do is very much appreciated.
If time permits I might venture into the RLD as well. Will appreciate some input on this.
After Frankfurt I have a two day trip to Paris.
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