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Polyamorist
09-23-19, 16:25
You think black music is awful? When blues, jazz, soul, Motown and even reggae, are origins of modern music with real musicians, not DJ nor clubbing manele of course. Legends like god Eric Clapton, genius Jimi Hendrix, Keith Richards from Rolling Stones, were inspired by blues, Police and Clash inspired by reggae. At least black music is played by real musicians who are able to play real instruments, not only computers playing on their own.That is because they are tuned into the Soul Cloud I was talking about. But the musicians themselves are just instruments being played by the ineffable. A bit like FKK girls but with invisible clients.
The point of the "Pass the Dutchie" video post was to imply that your cliche Matrix rant sounds like a theory only a stoner could love.
I'll make a point of not trying to be anything but mind-numbingly literal with you from now on. Anything else seems to be a lost cause.Exactly, because you have a small dick. As I already alluded to. And what your little mind ment was clear as day. And we all know you are the multi nick user half the forum complains about.
Saunaclub Bahama in Maintal-Doernigheim. Forget about the website as it's all but not on current status. Nonetheless you'll find there some 30+ women and the service level of the older ones in general is very high. https://www.bahama-club.de/Kontakt Number of women 12-18 maximum. Not to compare with a huge club like Palace but an opportunity if you stay several days in Frankfurt and instead of hanging around all the days in huge clubs you want to know a small location.Is it possible to go to the Bahama club from central Frankfurt with public transportation? Do we need to take a taxi there?
Neurosynth
09-24-19, 21:51
Exactly, because you have a small dick. Second use of a feeble insult while ignoring all substance. You lose.
And we all know you are the multi nick user half the forum complains about.I doubt everyone believes that. Because then everyone would be wrong, and most folks here are too smart for that.
Second use of a feeble insult while ignoring all substance. You lose.
I doubt everyone believes that. Because then everyone would be wrong, and most folks here are too smart for that.Don't you see? It is your inept ability to verbally distinguish one of your handles from the next, that reveals your true face. As your first paragraph here shows. The lowly developed idea that what matters in life is to win an internet discussion. While the rest here is just fooling around. Fact is that we humans mainly assume. Smart people know this. Dumb people think they know the one answer, and the one answer only. Yet you seem unable to take a step back and consider the discussions from above, or philosophically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFtLONl4cNchttps://youtu.be/aHGd6LqAVzw
I'm not going to explain. This one speaks for itself.
Steve 9696
09-25-19, 01:25
Ok as we have degenerated to dick sizing I won't feel bad for going OT with an FR from NYC. You may recall I've been having great success with SA this side of the pond. Here was my top NA experience.
Of my three NY visits I surely must write this one up as my finest complete dating experience ever.
So Amy is a half Korean half Vietnamese and super cute. She studies art in NYC -- her senior year but is from LA. She has a true valley girl sort of free spirit about her, like everything in the world is new and amazing.
We really got lucky to go on a date together. Because I'd been surfing NYC for weeks and thought I was done. Then on the Friday before I find her. I accidentally overlooked her age range maxing out at 45 and sent her a ping and was surprised when she responded. But then we have instant chemistry and witty banter. It's interesting how this just totally works with some girls and you get mutually infatuated over the wire. It's really great.
At some point I casually threw in something about meeting and she was all over it. But she suggested coffee and possibly a later meet up. I told her I had to politely decline because I was too busy for two meetings (the truth) and I thought we were done. So she says she's not opposed to a single dinner meeting but she's new and how would that work.
This is actually good because I can explain how I agreed terms with other girls and this involves mentioning room time. So we get that elephant out of the room. And I suggest a range. With this loose framework we agree to meet.
I pick out a lovely high end Italian place with a view of the Brooklyn Bridge. Last minute she asks if I can call her an Uber which is a bit of a pro move so I form some unfounded doubts. When she arrives, these doubts are quickly cast aside. She is such a genuine vivacious young force of nature. Just bubbly and so excited to be treated like a princess.
We have a lovely dinner together and I guess conversation must have just flowed beyond even expectations Because before we knew it it was 10:15. Two hours absolutely flew by. So we decide to go for a drink in Brooklyn and will walk the 20 minutes to a speakeasy I found on Google.
We start by just lingering outside on the dock looking at the Brooklyn Bridge. Very romantic holding hands etc but I don't recall kissing her. Still very comfortable. We walk hand in hand the mile or so to the bar which we can't find but end up in another one. It's OK but I think we are both thinking about the room and don't stay more than 15 minutes. And we walk to the hotel.
The night before with Ashley I got surprised by the screening check they set up at night where you have to pass thru a security check of key cards. I had Ashley trailing me so as to not attract late night colleague attention and had to make the last minute decision to motion her up to me and get her thru the check. I was prepared for this with Amy and gave her my second key. It went fine and we were soon in the room together.
Any had only been with three guys before lifetime. But one was a boyfriend of seven years. So at 23 she was an endearing mix of experienced and inexperienced. Properly liquored up she was not too nervous but a bit giggly and apologetic about not being a good kisser. True to her word it was pretty mediocre to start but she was a quick learner and soon matched my style. It was super nice once we got passionate.
Wow. I don't recall all the details of getting naked but wow. A banging hot body. Rather full firm Bcups and a great ass. Really really good.
We start with pulling her down on top of me and are making out naked. It's kinda sweet but I have to direct her hand down to my junk to let her know she should be hands on at this point LOL. But when she gets to BBBJ it's very good. Later she says she learned to treat it like a popsicle (schoolgirl laugh goes here). Again I provide some direction moving her to BLS. This seems unfamiliar territory for her but she does an OK job and so fun to be with a BLS virgin.
I remember getting on top of her naked and really kissing her passionately. And working my way down. Plenty of tit sucking. What a nice pair. And she enjoys the circular motion. And lots of licking and teasing. By the time I reach her pussy she is a sloppy mess.
And boy is she in for a ride. I lick and suck and finger her Gspot and she squirms and bucks and has several Os Over a twenty plus minute session. When I come up for air she is totally sweaty and spent and says "well I guess I've never had that done right before! That was really something!" LOL. Glad to be of service ma'am!
We fuck in all the usual positions with Mish kissing being spectacular and really good doggie. What a nice body. But we head back to the BBBJ for a finish. She's got great on-shaft technique and I rise to the occasion to give her a hot mouth load that she swallows with grace.
The afterglow is great and we have the best pillow talk ever. We stare deeply into each other's eyes for long periods. I try to convince her to spend the night and had I pushed hard I think she would have. But in the end she decides to go. We call her an Uber and I track it till she gets home. What a sweetheart. Overall including dinner and romance and the bedroom, this is the best date I've ever had.
And we all know you are the multi nick user half the forum complains about.I didn't. Could you tell me the other users? I don't post here a lot but see there's a conflict around here and would like to see who's on each side.
Thanks.
Optimist,
If I remember correctly, you are the first ISG member to post here about some posters using multi nick names (handles) on the FKK threads. Perhaps you should explain what is the methodology to let you reach your conclusion. If it is just subjective speculation like writing style and so on, maybe we should not speculate it because some innocent posters may be wrongly accused. You don't have to name any particular poster, just tell us what is the conclusive evidence that made you reach your conclusion, so that the readers can have some concrete idea about it.
Steve,
Good job.
Optimist,
If I remember correctly, you are the first ISG member to post here about some posters using multi nick names (handles) on the FKK threads. Perhaps you should explain what is the methodology to let you reach your conclusion. If it is just subjective speculation like writing style and so on, maybe we should not speculate it because some innocent posters may be wrongly accused. You don't have to name any particular poster, just tell us what is the conclusive evidence that made you reach your conclusion, so that the readers can have some concrete idea about it.
Steve,
Good job.If you would like to PM me we could discuss. But I am not going to name anybody for the very reasons you suggest.
I am interested in what prompts you to ask about this as it is not something I have discussed recently.
Cheers.
I am interested in what prompts you to ask about this as it is not something I have discussed recently.
Cheers.Have you read past 15 posts here? Cheers.
Neurosynth
09-25-19, 21:30
Don't you see? It is your inept ability to verbally distinguish one of your handles from the next, that reveals your true face. As your first paragraph here shows. ... .I dare you to name another handle you think I'm posting under. Because I'm not. Put up or shut up. Substantiate or apologize.
Neurosynth
09-25-19, 21:37
... And we all know you are the multi nick user half the forum complains about.
I didn't. Could you tell me the other users? I don't post here a lot but see there's a conflict around here and would like to see who's on each side.
Thanks.I don't know whether he actually believes what he is posting, but I only have one account on ISG. This one.
Ok as we have degenerated to dick sizing I won't feel bad for going OT with an FR from NYC. You may recall I've been having great success with SA this side of the pond. Here was my top NA experience.
Of my three NY visits I surely must write this one up as my finest complete dating experience ever.
So Amy is a half Korean half Vietnamese and super cute. She studies art in NYC -- her senior year but is from LA. She has a true valley girl sort of free spirit about her, like everything in the world is new and amazing.
We really got lucky to go on a date together. Because I'd been surfing NYC for weeks and thought I was done. Then on the Friday before I find her. I accidentally overlooked her age range maxing out at 45 and sent her a ping and was surprised when she responded. But then we have instant chemistry and witty banter. It's interesting how this just totally works with some girls and you get mutually infatuated over the wire. It's really great.
At some point I casually threw in something about meeting and she was all over it. But she suggested coffee and possibly a later meet up. I told her I had to politely decline because I was too busy for two meetings (the truth) and I thought we were done. So she says she's not opposed to a single dinner meeting but she's new and how would that work.
This is actually good because I can explain how I agreed terms with other girls and this involves mentioning room time. So we get that elephant out of the room. And I suggest a range. With this loose framework we agree to meet...Have you posted this under the USA, NYC forum thread? I'm sure the guys there would be interested in finding such a pleasing lady. I love when the ladies can make you believe that you are the best lover in the world. This really sets the session apart. Right up there with her husband walking in as you're jumping out the back window without your underpants and socks, carrying your shoes in your hands. Crazy stuff for sure.
Have you read past 15 posts here? Cheers.Yes except for the Pistons and Neurosynth posts. . Whatever Neurosynth and Pistons are discussing is totally beyond me:I try to steer clear of grumpy arguments if I can
I didn't want to jump to conclusions about your reasons for asking. As you say speculation is not a good thing
I believe the Ararat post was not up when I posted. I don't understand this "taking sides". Surely we are all just interested in the forum functioning with useful informative posts?
I didn't want to jump to conclusions about your reasons for asking. As you say speculation is not a good thing
As I said, if I remember correctly, you are the first member of posting about poster with multiple handles. Since then this issue became frequently mentioned and was sometimes used against other posters. But so far I have not read and gotten any conclusive evidence from any member including you to support this claim.
Before I retired, I made a living by financially speculating as a bond trader. I profoundly and sometimes painfully learned at that time that nobody can correctly speculate all the time, nobody. Fortunately, in financial field, if your speculation is correct 7 out of 10 times, you can still make decent profit with proper money and risk management.
But when we make comments on people, we shouldn't use any speculation because the reputation of the person who is the subject of speculation could be damaged without any truth in it.
I think that a poster shouldn't make any accusation that some member has multiple handles unless he can provide conclusive evidence like somehow the poster knows that the posts from multiple nick names come from the same IP address and so on, or states that the accusation is a speculation. If we don't do that, next victim could be any of us.
Hello Steve
I agree that one should not post speculation as the person who is subject could be damaged by it. That is why I have never posted any speculation about another member.
By addressing your points (about needing to prove accusations) to me, you are implying that I have been posting accusations and naming a particular member. I have never made any such post.
As for the general point, I don't see any harm if a person has two or three handles, but if a person has loads more then I personally would not want to be involved with such a person, so yes, I do keep this in mind. As in all walks of life, I like to check out my evidence and feelings about people I engage with.
You clearly care about due process and fairness. In view of this I'd be grateful if you would ensure any claims about my posts are based on factual evidence. You yourself say you are relying on a memory of an unspecified post I made (you say "If I" ( Bfsie) "remember correctly")
Rather than bore other members with this I am happy to discuss further by PM
Cheers
Hi Optimist,
Let's finish this discussion, so this is my last post on this topic and obviously you can response to my post.
First of all, as you know from all of my previous posts with regards to you, I have a great respect for you, so there is nothing personal against you here.
Secondly, I didn't say and imply that you named any particular poster.
Thirdly, I don't want to do this, but since you challenged me, so I have to response to your challenge with your post mentioning about multiple handles as follows. I don't think that anyone can find any earlier post here from any poster on the subject of multiple handles.
Cane and Mr Ho. There is a person posting in various threads who has maybe eight handles. I try not to be conned into replying to any of them.Again, Optimist, with all due respect, I have nothing against you personally. I hope you see my good intention to make this forum as pleasant as possible for every poster without being labeled as something.
Cheers.
Bfsie. Fair to quote my post :) But as you see it makes my point for me. I never gave any information which would identify a person. That would be improper. Nor have I labelled another poster.
We seem to be at cross purposes: I have never said that I did not mention fake handles.
Let's finish this. If we meet we can chat about it much more easily than doing increasingly confusing posts.
O.
MaxSquatter
09-26-19, 19:36
Which club (s) do you think has the highest percentage of natural looking and acting girls ie. Natural boobs, natural lips, untanned skin, no tattoos, less makeup and less mechanical acting?
Jim Quince
09-26-19, 19:54
Which club (s) do you think has the highest percentage of natural looking and acting girls ie. Natural boobs, natural lips, untanned skin, no tattoos, less makeup and less mechanical acting?Such a club doesn't exist.
As I said, if I remember correctly, you are the first member of posting about poster with multiple handles. Since then this issue became frequently mentioned and was sometimes used against other posters. But so far I have not read and gotten any conclusive evidence from any member including you to support this claim.
Before I retired, I made a living by financially speculating as a bond trader. I profoundly and sometimes painfully learned at that time that nobody can correctly speculate all the time, nobody. Fortunately, in financial field, if your speculation is correct 7 out of 10 times, you can still make decent profit with proper money and risk management.
But when we make comments on people, we shouldn't use any speculation because the reputation of the person who is the subject of speculation could be damaged without any truth in it.
I think that a poster shouldn't make any accusation that some member has multiple handles unless he can provide conclusive evidence like somehow the poster knows that the posts from multiple nick names come from the same IP address and so on, or states that the accusation is a speculation. If we don't do that, next victim could be any of us.Thank you Bfsie.
You are a man of honor and I agree with you.
As for naming names, yes that has been done. Directly, indirectly, and plenty of times.
I have been directly accused by these acclaimed foundational members as being one of the trolls. Gino, FuckedupSwede, Tintin, Expatlover, LabambaBoy, Pksimar, Memphis10, Ludacris775, Pokerweisbaden, Omar Rap. Perhaps another ten members. It has been done multiple times, in multiple FKK threads, quite easy to search and see for yourself.
At first, I did not know why my name was being pulled into comments by people I never knew. First few times, I ignored them. But that hardly stopped. When I replied somewhat forcibly, apparently that was a no-no from the POV of these foundational gentlemen; the expectation seems to be that I should have kept my mouth shut in the face of barbs by these senior members. Two of them ganged up on me questioning that I was even an American.
They said there was one man with 8 handles but roughly two dozen are being accused of being these fake handles. I became curious and looked up: Gino has been posting since 2004. ExPat has 3000+ posts. I am honored being thought of one of their duplicate avatars. I'm happy to take credit for all the thousands of informative comments posted by these gentlemen over years. Early on in my history here, Gino and I had a small argument. I guess I must have been arguing against myself to somehow throw off the forum.
At one point, I thought this was not worth it and thought of stopping to post altogether. But if that is the purpose of these foundational gentlemen. To discourage members from posting. That is not quite within the rules or spirit of this forum. As far as I know, this is an anonymous forum and no one's passport has been verified. There is only one moderator and he is doing a great job. Thank goodness.
Which club (s) do you think has the highest percentage of natural looking and acting girls ie. Natural boobs, natural lips, untanned skin, no tattoos, less makeup and less mechanical acting?The club used to be called Jeffery Epstein. You had to be rich and connected.
Pissing in a public pool.
I remember a year or two ago, sitting during a summer day by the pool at Sharks. I was engaging in idle conversation with another male guest who I previously did not know, but we just ended up chatting about alot of things, especially, of course, about the nude and semi-nude parade of females that would work the circuit of lounge chairs occupied men lying in the sun. At one point, we both noticed that despite the heat of the day, there was just one guy in pool the whole time. I remarked to my new friend that this was curious. He gave me a wry smile and then launched into the following story, some episode of his life travelling around the globe:
"I'll tell you something that once saw at a giant public pool on the outskirts of a fairly large city. There was this Olympic sized swimming pool that was visited by lots of really good swimmers and just ordinary people enjoying a dip. One day it was discovered that one of the swimmers in the pool used to p iss in the pool water on purpose to annoyance of the other people using it and to get other people out of the pool so that he, for his own warped reasons, could have the pool all to himself. As word went round that somebody kept deliberately pissing in the pool, people started to abandon the place and would no longer swim there. Some of the pools long time veteran swimmers who used to do laps or do double flips of the diving board, no longer showed up. Pretty soon there was hardly anybody at all in the pool. Some people who loved the pool and wanted to protect its integrity tried to reason with the person, this "p iss artist," to get him to change his ways and stop pissing in the pool. But he at first just ignored them, then claimed it wasn't him but somebody else doing the pissing, but in the end it was discovered that he just kept pissing. You can probably guess what happened in the end: The pisser was the only one using the pool, because all of the original swimmers, either found another pool, or stopped swimming altogether. The "p iss artist," it was later discovered, had mental problems and was delusional. He seemed quite happy to swim alone in his own p iss, but for lots of other innocent people, the damage had been done.!
I remember this story whenever I go to Sharks. I never use the pool there even this story about the pisser did not happen specifically at the Sharks pool. Actually, I can't remember exactly where this guy's story took place, but it was at some far off location in the western world, New Zealand, maybe, or Sinapore, somewhere distant like that, but the morals seemed to apply to things very close to home here in FKKland.
Sorry for being so off-topic, it just came back to me, as now the summer season at FKKs is ending and we get ready cooler weather, when we walk by an empty pool in Sharks' garden.
Safe and happy mongering to all for the next few months, and let's hope we can get some genuinely good, honest and most important truly informative reports about specific girls with great service attitudes at real and proper pricing. Top of the morning to you all!
Ortos. Allegories always make good stories. With my limited imagination I learn a lot from them. It was worth reading to the end
I now imagine the pool empty apart from one guy whilst all the others have gone off elsewhere, having forgotten about the lonely man drowning by himself unseen by anyone, frantically waving to be noticed
CheekyDancer
09-27-19, 10:35
What do you guys think is the best club to visit at the moment and why?. I used to enjoy Paradise in Stuttgart but the level of women has dropped considerably. Money isn't so much a concern. Things I look out for are cleanliness. Smoking hot girls. Good level of service.
Any thoughts would be welcome.
BigBuddy69
09-27-19, 10:51
Same thing about the dudes who accept to pay 100 euros for 30 min or 150 euros for 60 minutes. They [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in the common pool and they damage the experience of the guys who can't afford it. Look at what happened in GT or PHG a few years ago. 100 euros for one hour became some kind of norm because some guys accepted to pay.
HungryStud101
09-27-19, 14:06
Pissing in a public pool
Management should just kick the guy out.
But think about it. When someone [CodeWord110] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord110) they probably make about 500 MLs of [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134). How much water is in that pool? It has to be the mental image because it really is insignificant. Remember to old slogan "the solution to pollution is dilution. " The average pool contains 20,000 gallons of water or 75,700 liters of water. I would believe Sharks may be about 2 x to 5 x this size. . 5 L in 75,700 L of water. That is 0.0006605% or 6.6 PPM [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) you are swimming in. I bet I get much more [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) while performing DATY.
HungryStud101
09-27-19, 14:10
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OK, I think I'm going to have a Saturday night, all day Sunday, and all day Monday.
How can I optimize my experience? Is Sharks too busy on Saturdays or Sundays to enjoy? Is Samya good on Sunday or Monday nights?
Thank you!
MaxSquatter
09-27-19, 14:43
Isn't it amazing that is hard to find? Most men I talk to all prefer the natural look.
Such a club doesn't exist.
Isn't it amazing that is hard to find? Most men I talk to all prefer the natural look.I think it was your same post I replied to on another thread.
The club used to be called Jeffery Epstein. You had to be rich and connected.Or a randy prince?
There should be an app for this. It would be much easier. (see pic).
I lived in Thailand for a year before and I had met a college girl who would have sex with me on the weekends. However, she never gave me a blowjob. The first time we had sex, she said she liked my penis and balls to be shaved clean, but I didn't want to shave it bald. I trimmed away a lot of the hair but she never gave me oral, even though I gave her lots of oral every time we met. Her pussy was shaved bald, just like lots of Thai girls. I thought it was a cultural thing about shaving down there, but am now wondering if anyone here has come across a situation at a FKK or party Treff where a woman didn't want to give oral because of hair around the penis.
I like a woman to have some hair on her pussy, like it's natural as nature intended, but many girls like to shave or trim their hair away. I like to leave my hair natural, but began to trim it for this girl I met in Thailand, but she never gave me a blowjob even though I trimmed away a lof of the hair. I would hate to go to a FKK and have a girl refuse to give a blowjob because I don't shave it completely bald down there.
Steve 9696
09-28-19, 16:09
I lived in Thailand for a year before and I had met a college girl who would have sex with me on the weekends. However, she never gave me a blowjob. The first time we had sex, she said she liked my penis and balls to be shaved clean, but I didn't want to shave it bald. I trimmed away a lot of the hair but she never gave me oral, even though I gave her lots of oral every time we met. Her pussy was shaved bald, just like lots of Thai girls. I thought it was a cultural thing about shaving down there, but am now wondering if anyone here has come across a situation at a FKK or party Treff where a woman didn't want to give oral because of hair around the penis.
I like a woman to have some hair on her pussy, like it's natural as nature intended, but many girls like to shave or trim their hair away. I like to leave my hair natural, but began to trim it for this girl I met in Thailand, but she never gave me a blowjob even though I trimmed away a lof of the hair. I would hate to go to a FKK and have a girl refuse to give a blowjob because I don't shave it completely bald down there.Hahaha. You don't need to worry. You are PAYING these girls. At FKK or elsewhere a BJ is part of the deal implicitly. These girls have sucked cocks way nastier than yours I guarantee!
That said BLS (ball licking and sucking) is completely optional unless pre negotiated. I know a lot of girls who would rather take a load in their mouth than suck hairy balls! If you like BLS then absolutely shave them (u can get a small electric trimmer — you don't need to do the razor on them.) My BLS has increased significantly since I started shaving about a year ago.
If you are going to spend a week in the clubs, it is a good idea to carry your shaver with you. A prickly stubble is as bad as a Bush when it comes to BLS, based on what the girls say. I try to shave a couple of times during the week.
Is there such a thing as baldness for pubic hair? I wouldn't mind if I have such a thing. I don't know if the growth rate varies for different guys and for guys who grow a pubic stubble in quick time, this can be pain in the balls to shave frequently.
MythoVirus
09-28-19, 17:24
I lived in Thailand for a year before and I had met a college girl who would have sex with me on the weekends. However, she never gave me a blowjob. The first time we had sex, she said she liked my penis and balls to be shaved clean, but I didn't want to shave it bald. I trimmed away a lot of the hair but she never gave me oral, even though I gave her lots of oral every time we met. Her pussy was shaved bald, just like lots of Thai girls. I thought it was a cultural thing about shaving down there, but am now wondering if anyone here has come across a situation at a FKK or party Treff where a woman didn't want to give oral because of hair around the penis.
I like a woman to have some hair on her pussy, like it's natural as nature intended, but many girls like to shave or trim their hair away. I like to leave my hair natural, but began to trim it for this girl I met in Thailand, but she never gave me a blowjob even though I trimmed away a lof of the hair. I would hate to go to a FKK and have a girl refuse to give a blowjob because I don't shave it completely bald down there.The chances of many WG refusing to give you BJ because of groin hair is very statistically insignificant, don't let it worry you.
That said, common courtesy suggests that all men and WG should try their best to be hygienic, I'm not saying some hair in groin area is unhygienic but it depends on multiple factors including size of Bush, odour, presence of dandruff etc. So use your common sense (also internet) to decide weather what you got is considered OK or too much to handle.
Also no brainier the more hygienic a monger is, the higher chance of getting a better service, instead of a rushed service for the less hygienic mongers.
Lastly from personal experience, maybe you ought to try someday as a social experimented to have BJ / sex while your groin is totally shaved, to me at least the sensation is much more heightened to another level increasing the pleasure from tactile stimulation.
Enjoy all the heaven-like BJ you will soon get in FKK.
Same thing about the dudes who accept to pay 100 euros for 30 min or 150 euros for 60 minutes. in the common pool and they damage the experience of the guys who can't afford it. Look at what happened in GT or PHG a few years ago. 100 euros for one hour became some kind of norm because some guys accepted to pay.Yes, I preferred to pay 100 for Aida. Ro ex PHG or Rachel. De who became my weekly regulars for months when they were the busiest, rather than 75 for second ranking choices, when Bab or PHG were already on 100/ h rate, and when Oceans opened, GT and LR increased to 100 because management was afraid girls would leave.
From my experiences, when You take care of girls, natural BJ is still standard at Samya, Gold, Oase, Sharks, World on my few last experiences, GT, without needing to beg for anything and no extra asked. My subjective experience looking for beauties and quality, not interested by GND who have to look for business. Sex is not Arabian market for me.
OK, I think I'm going to have a Saturday night, all day Sunday, and all day Monday.
How can I optimize my experience? Is Sharks too busy on Saturdays or Sundays to enjoy? Is Samya good on Sunday or Monday nights?
Thank you!Even when Sharks is crowded on evening and at night, new kind of clients prefer to take bottles for whole night rather than giving business to girls, they are stronger to get drunk rather than taking care of women, just matter of culture about women. Sharks can now compete with Turkish Samya at night. Most of girls leave Sharks at 2 am, they don t run after these clients, club is dead even before 4 am. On Saturday night, I would go to Samya even girls may be busiest than at Sharks, but few prettier for me at Samya than at Sharks. Sunday and Monday at Sharks. Sunday is 50 at Sharks before 2 pm. Good point for both clubs is good foods and can have diner late at night. After leaving Gold because my girl was not there, moved to Samya where arrived at 11.30 pm on Thursday evening. Casting was not on top, many attractive girls missing: Katea, Francesca, Bella, Lisha, no more Kleopatra nor Kim, but one I noticed since long time smiled to me for first time, woman a bit sophisticated look, 24 yo, what I like so let s go. Like many WGs at work, she couldn t resist to get her pleasure, quite impressive with her legs shaking so much, so I let her few minutes. Then I wanted to give her again for fucking but she told I would kill her. I like when some ask fucking until they cum. Yesterday, one told: but I cum again, and you didn't finish? Better pleasure in mind. At Samya, she was very smiling after room. Now I think she will be welcoming, no wow but a good surprise for third choice and I don't know if 2 first will return, one changing silicon but what a impressive model type, 1,80.
Goldentime and Livingroom is the two clubs services free beer.
Any other clubs do the same around NRW or FRA area?
Lastly from personal experience, maybe you ought to try someday as a social experimented to have BJ / sex while your groin is totally shaved, to me at least the sensation is much more heightened to another level increasing the pleasure from tactile stimulation.
Enjoy all the heaven-like BJ you will soon get in FKK.I don't have any problem with hygiene, and have never had a girl tell me she smells odor while sucking, but I'll try shaving it completely bare one day. I'll go to Frankfurt next month and see if any of the girls at the FKK or treff comment or doesn't like me having some hair around the penis. Even with trimmed hair, I've had a girl massage and play with my balls while giving me a blow job, but she really knew what she was doing and pressed in the right area to get me to come. However, I don't think hair on my balls had anything to do with that situation. .
MythoVirus
09-29-19, 17:50
I don't have any problem with hygiene, and have never had a girl tell me she smells odor while sucking, but I'll try shaving it completely bare one day. I'll go to Frankfurt next month and see if any of the girls at the FKK or treff comment or doesn't like me having some hair around the penis. Even with trimmed hair, I've had a girl massage and play with my balls while giving me a blow job, but she really knew what she was doing and pressed in the right area to get me to come. However, I don't think hair on my balls had anything to do with that situation..Regarding the hygiene talk, I was talking in general, nothing personal.
No need to stress it, you will have tons of enjoyable memories from your FKK trip that's for sure. Will be waiting for the reporting.
I don't have any problem with hygiene, and have never had a girl tell me she smells odor while sucking, but I'll try shaving it completely bare one day. I'll go to Frankfurt next month and see if any of the girls at the FKK or treff comment or doesn't like me having some hair around the penis. Even with trimmed hair, I've had a girl massage and play with my balls while giving me a blow job, but she really knew what she was doing and pressed in the right area to get me to come. However, I don't think hair on my balls had anything to do with that situation.A clean fully shaven pubic as well as facial hair guy almost always gets better BJs and kisses from a FKK girl he just met, that's what most girls tell me. When visiting FKKs, I fully shave my both pubic and facial hairs every other day, maybe that's why most girls give me nice BLS along with natural BJs? Well, I also do a full shower after every session, and brush my teeth after every meal and every session, so those too may have some effects leading to sensual sessions from the girls. Just ask the girls in your next visit, and adjust your practices accordingly as it fits you.
A clean fully shaven pubic as well as facial hair guy almost always gets better BJs and kisses from a FKK girl he just met, that's what most girls tell me. When visiting FKKs, I fully shave my both pubic and facial hairs every other day, maybe that's why most girls give me nice BLS along with natural BJs? Well, I also do a full shower after every session, and brush my teeth after every meal and every session, so those too may have some effects leading to sensual sessions from the girls. Just ask the girls in your next visit, and adjust your practices accordingly as it fits you.The title says it all. Fully agree with the comments as the results speak for themselves. The girls will appreciate the effort and you will greatly benefit too.
MaxSquatter
09-30-19, 14:10
What if the beard is a well maintained facial beard? In the united states beards are trendy and girls like them. Do you think shaved faces are preferred by most girls at FKK's against good beards?
The title says it all. Fully agree with the comments as the results speak for themselves. The girls will appreciate the effort and you will greatly benefit too.
What if the beard is a well maintained facial beard? In the united states beards are trendy and girls like them. Do you think shaved faces are preferred by most girls at FKK's against good beards?Trimmed beards are indeed now fashionable among younger men in Europe. Even more so among the Turkish / German younger males of whom you find many in German FKKs.
The link below discusses the political push to implement the Nordic Model in Germany. If you have any German Bears as friends make sure they are aware and vote correctly.
https://www.pro-medienmagazin.de/politik/2019/09/27/lauterbach-fordert-prostitutionsverbot/
The link below discusses the political push to implement the Nordic Model in Germany. If you have any German Bears as friends make sure they are aware and vote correctly.
https://www.pro-medienmagazin.de/politik/2019/09/27/lauterbach-fordert-prostitutionsverbot/What is nordic model?
What is nordic model?Clients prosecution in Sweden, and France was so stupid to do the same, even police can t hide under the bed when I book a escort.
The link below discusses the political push to implement the Nordic Model in Germany. If you have any German Bears as friends make sure they are aware and vote correctly.
https://www.pro-medienmagazin.de/politik/2019/09/27/lauterbach-fordert-prostitutionsverbot/Thank you for letting us know. There were already discussion about this on a major German forum after I read your post and checked that German forum. This is bad. I think sadly that this is probably the beginning of the end of German legal sex industry.
What is nordic model?It makes it a crime for you to buy sex. It was started in Sweden and despite being found to be a complete failure and more of a danger to women is still being promoted as "protecting" women, it seems that the 2017 prostitute punishment law was not enough.
I am sure, in all countries, where prostitution is legal, a potential total ban (in one or other form) is being discussed once in a while. There were reasons to legalize it in Germany a while ago. And yet there are and were reasons to ban it.
(see here https://www.zeit.de/2013/46/prostitution-abschaffung-pro-contra).
I don't think there is an immidiate grave danger. But this topic is always somewhat a bad possibility for all of us. 99.9% of the women will be against prostitution and likely 90% of the men will not need prostitution, because they never used it (for whatever reason) - and 99% of the men will publicly say, prostitution is a bad thing.
Currently this ban is being asked by two parties (SPD and CDU / CSU), which are trying to see if this theme could resonate with larger parts ofthe german population. They are obviously fishing around, because they are lacking any really new ideas of what to do in Germany. Exactly this absence of really great ideas of the larger parties is the reason for their substantial and prolongued decline in the past 10 yrs.
Interestingly the green party, the party which is the new challenger, and even has a chance to nominate the next chancellor, is the most liberal party right now and they are ok with the freedom of choice of the working girls in europe. So please tell every german to vote green, it maybe as simply as that. It may also be better for our carbon footprint. Having sex is simply much better than going deer hunting or doing motor-cycling.
It makes it a crime for you to buy sex. It was started in Sweden and despite being found to be a complete failure and more of a danger to women is still being promoted as "protecting" women, it seems that the 2017 prostitute punishment law was not enough.
I am sure, in all countries, where prostitution is legal, a potential total ban (in one or other form) is being discussed once in a while. There were reasons to legalize it in Germany a while ago. And yet there are and were reasons to ban it.
(see here https://www.zeit.de/2013/46/prostitution-abschaffung-pro-contra).
I don't think there is an immidiate grave danger. But this topic is always somewhat a bad possibility for all of us. 99.9% of the women will be against prostitution and likely 90% of the men will not need prostitution, because they never used it (for whatever reason) - and 99% of the men will publicly say, prostitution is a bad thing.
Currently this ban is being asked by two parties (SPD and CDU / CSU), which are trying to see if this theme could resonate with larger parts ofthe german population. They are obviously fishing around, because they are lacking any really new ideas of what to do in Germany. Exactly this absence of really great ideas of the larger parties is the reason for their substantial and prolongued decline in the past 10 yrs.
Interestingly the green party, the party which is the new challenger, and even has a chance to nominate the next chancellor, is the most liberal party right now and they are ok with the freedom of choice of the working girls in europe. So please tell every german to vote green, it maybe as simply as that. It may also be better for our carbon footprint. Having sex is simply much better than going deer hunting or doing motor-cycling.This YouGov poll shows only a small difference in the percent who support and those who are against.
And this is in US, a more conservative nation on sexual mores than Germany or other EU nations.
Even among women, there is a lot more support than your 0. 1%.
Prostitution and pimping have become dirty words. My own experience with American women especially younger generation is that many are relatively cool to the idea of receiving gifts and allowances and other goodies in an explicit exchange for sex, as long as they like the man OK. In the past, any exchange of sex for pay would be considered prostitution and in turn disgusting and amoral and criminal but those attitudes have shifted in my personal experience.
It makes it a crime for you to buy sex. It was started in Sweden and despite being found to be a complete failure and more of a danger to women is still being promoted as "protecting" women, it seems that the 2017 prostitute punishment law was not enough.Holy Molly, we got to get those Hong Kong protesters in Berlin street LOL!
I doubt this law will pass in freedom loving liberal Germany though.
Feminist and left wing always try to ban prostitution, but I doubt they close all FKK etc It is liberal Germany after all.
How are right wing movement in Germany? Are they for prostitution or against?
Steve 9696
10-02-19, 01:31
This YouGov poll shows only a small difference in the percent who support and those who are against.
And this is in US, a more conservative nation on sexual mores than Germany or other EU nations.
Even among women, there is a lot more support than your 0. 1%.
Prostitution and pimping have become dirty words. My own experience with American women especially younger generation is that many are relatively cool to the idea of receiving gifts and allowances and other goodies in an explicit exchange for sex, as long as they like the man OK. In the past, any exchange of sex for pay would be considered prostitution and in turn disgusting and amoral and criminal but those attitudes have shifted in my personal experience.Yeah I agree with this. As I've said I've been doing Seeking Arrangement and been with several girls who are clearly not escorts. But are cool having a great time and see the "gift" at the end as just a nice bonus! I've also been coaching some girls. They aren't sure how or when to ask about money. They are just noobs figuring it out. Only the 34 year old divorcee I've been coaching is reticent to go to the room. The younger girls drop right into the idea of casual sex for money — as Long as its never spelled out quid pro quo.
This YouGov poll shows only a small difference in the percent who support and those who are against.
And this is in US, a more conservative nation on sexual mores than Germany or other EU nations.
Even among women, there is a lot more support than your 0. 1%.
Prostitution and pimping have become dirty words. My own experience with American women especially younger generation is that many are relatively cool to the idea of receiving gifts and allowances and other goodies in an explicit exchange for sex, as long as they like the man OK. In the past, any exchange of sex for pay would be considered prostitution and in turn disgusting and amoral and criminal but those attitudes have shifted in my personal experience.https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/03/10/prostitution
Sorry, the link was not posted earlier.
I agree with Pessimist and Steve on the point that new generation (millennial) can very well accept the ideal of gift and allowance in exchange for sex. That is why I said in one of my previous posts that sugar baby scene is the future of mongering, particularly in the countries where prostitution is illegal like USA.
With regards to the future of German sex industry, I think that the core problem is that those politicians are fighting a defenseless enemy, the sex industry which doesn't have any organization representing them politically unlike say USA. German sex industry with annual revenue of about 15 billions euro doesn't have its single political lobby group or its trade union representing the industry and every FKK club, brothel, monger and so on are on their own. Vast majority of the German parliamentarians are not die-hard opponents of prostitution and they can be either for Nordic model or against Nordic model. But if they don't face any resistance from sex industry, they will go along with a few die-hard politicians who strongly oppose prostitution and want to adopt Nordic model. This is very dangerous for sex industry which may not survive this time.
In term of the article quoted by Kuni042, it is an article published in year 2013. Time has changed a lot.
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What if the beard is a well maintained facial beard? In the united states beards are trendy and girls like them. Do you think shaved faces are preferred by most girls at FKK's against good beards?I tried well groomed beard last year, like many guys in USA. Few FKK as well as normal girls loved the look and / or the tickles it gave them during kissing and DATY, but most hated it (cited reasons eg chances of scratches and residual bacteria etc etc besides the silly tickles they didn't like). So I would say it depends, if you find few girls that you like are liking your beard that's all it matters to you. Same as in normal life. But I wouldn't go to another FKK trip with any facial or pubic hair, to be on the safe side to maximize my chances of getting good services with my clean look. Some Romanian girls even suggested to shave my chest hair as their boyfriends, brothers and fathers are doing nowadays, which sounded too extreme to me.
MaxSquatter
10-02-19, 14:36
How do you go about messaging them and getting their attention that there will be a gift without saying it explicitly and thereby turning them off?
Yeah I agree with this. As I've said I've been doing Seeking Arrangement and been with several girls who are clearly not escorts. But are cool having a great time and see the "gift" at the end as just a nice bonus! I've also been coaching some girls. They aren't sure how or when to ask about money. They are just noobs figuring it out. Only the 34 year old divorcee I've been coaching is reticent to go to the room. The younger girls drop right into the idea of casual sex for money as Long as its never spelled out quid pro quo.
MaxSquatter
10-02-19, 14:38
Even good beards probably do more harm than good in an FKK where everyone is a stranger. The hygiene and dirty factor is more of a concern I guess if you are an unknown to the girls.
I tried well groomed beard last year, like many guys in USA. Few FKK as well as normal girls loved the look and / or the tickles it gave them during kissing and DATY, but most hated it (cited reasons eg chances of scratches and residual bacteria etc etc besides the silly tickles they didn't like). So I would say it depends, if you find few girls that you like are liking your beard that's all it matters to you. Same as in normal life. But I wouldn't go to another FKK trip with any facial or pubic hair, to be on the safe side to maximize my chances of getting good services with my clean look. Some Romanian girls even suggested to shave my chest hair as their boyfriends, brothers and fathers are doing nowadays, which sounded too extreme to me.
Steve 9696
10-02-19, 19:21
How do you go about messaging them and getting their attention that there will be a gift without saying it explicitly and thereby turning them off?There are three types of girls on Seeking. 1-Straight up escorts. These are easy to spot because they immediately want to text you and talk about the gift. 2- Girls who are doing this for extra income and have convinced themselves it differs from escorting (and actually it does. An escort will charge you to pay for her dinner. LOL. 3- Newbies trying to figure it out.
In the category of 2 and 3 you get into real conversations. Anything from 20 messages to hundreds. (I have two girls that I have over 500 messages with). Somewhere in the conversation you will start talking about where to eat dinner. So you throw in that xxx is near my hotel. Which clearly is broaching the subject. Best if you can get to text or WhatsApp before discussing dollars.
You can either discuss it online "I always hate this part but is there some particular allowance / gift that seems right to you"?
I prefer when possible to actually discuss at last minute before going to the room. Whisper to her "hey I want to get out of here? If we head back to the room I will want to give you a gift. Did you have something in mind?
You are in both your best and worst position to negotiate here. Worst if you like her and would pay anything. Best if you are prepared to walk she's hopefully found you a fun date and will give you a good price. I like this because u have both had a fair assessment of the goods. She won’t go with u if she doesn’t like u at least some and the dollars will tell how much (and is a true number 2 or 3 girl) And u know what u are willing to pay. I had hoped for and got $300 with my Colombian hottie below - but the second I met her I knew I was willing to pay $400+ if necessary.
Best negotiating line ever with hat tip to Marelobo Mex. I use the above line on my Miami hottie after 3 hours of drinks and dancing (no gift so far) when she says $400. I say "Oh baby that makes me sad. That's the "I don't want to go with you price". I thought you liked me?
Boom. Ok $300. Ok let's go babe! So I spent 4 hours including room time for $300. And she was smokin hot!
MaxSquatter
10-02-19, 19:45
Thanks for your advice. Very interesting. My issue is sending the initial message to seem legit and desirable without seeming desperate. Your idea is treat it as a dinner date first but how do you stand out from all the others to get that date? I think you are right about waiting to discuss money because that is a turn off to most. It just seems like a struggle getting attention on that site even though I am fairly young and in good shape. Thanks for your help!
There are three types of girls on Seeking. 1-Straight up escorts. These are easy to spot because they immediately want to text you and talk about the gift. 2- Girls who are doing this for extra income and have convinced themselves it differs from escorting (and actually it does. An escort will charge you to pay for her dinner. LOL. 3- Newbies trying to figure it out.
In the category of 2 and 3 you get into real conversations. Anything from 20 messages to hundreds. (I have two girls that I have over 500 messages with). Somewhere in the conversation you will start talking about where to eat dinner. So you throw in that xxx is near my hotel. Which clearly is broaching the subject. Best if you can get to text or WhatsApp before discussing dollars.
You can either discuss it online "I always hate this part but is there some particular allowance / gift that seems right to you"?
I prefer when possible to actually discuss at last minute before going to the room. Whisper to her "hey I want to get out of here? If we head back to the room I will want to give you a gift. Did you have something in mind?
You are in both your best and worst position to negotiate here. Worst if you like her and would pay anything. Best if you are prepared to walk she's hopefully found you a fun date and will give you a good price. I like this because u have both had a fair assessment of the goods. She wont go with u if she doesnt like u at least some and the dollars will tell how much (and is a true number 2 or 3 girl) And u know what u are willing to pay. I had hoped for and got $300 with my Colombian hottie below - but the second I met her I knew I was willing to pay $400+ if necessary.
Best negotiating line ever with hat tip to Marelobo Mex. I use the above line on my Miami hottie after 3 hours of drinks and dancing (no gift so far) when she says $400. I say "Oh baby that makes me sad. That's the "I don't want to go with you price". I thought you liked me?
Boom. Ok $300. Ok let's go babe! So I spent 4 hours including room time for $300. And she was smokin hot!
Steve 9696
10-02-19, 20:43
Thanks for your advice. Very interesting. My issue is sending the initial message to seem legit and desirable without seeming desperate. Your idea is treat it as a dinner date first but how do you stand out from all the others to get that date? I think you are right about waiting to discuss money because that is a turn off to most. It just seems like a struggle getting attention on that site even though I am fairly young and in good shape. Thanks for your help!Engaging a girl on SA is not that different from real life. Show some true interest. Compliment them. Ask them things.
Never use a cut and paste opener and never ask for pics. They will share them when ready. Use lots of emojis like smiles and hearts to express your emotion when speaking.
So a good intro would be (use your own voice):
Wow. I have to say I was struck by your pics. You are soooo my type. 💕.
But I was mostly interested in your profile. It is so interesting that you blah blah blah. I like to do xxx myself.
Please take a look at my profile because I think we may be a great match. Let me know if you want to talk more. I would LOVe to. 🙏128149;.
Like I say it's like real world. Find common ground. Show customized genuine interest. Compliment without being creepy! NEVER ask for pics. Just let it build organically.
I honestly don’t get around to discussing a meetup for several days.
MaxSquatter
10-02-19, 21:45
Good stuff. Funny how convoluted it is even when we know what both parties want. Everyone has to play their little games.
Engaging a girl on SA is not that different from real life. Show some true interest. Compliment them. Ask them things.
Never use a cut and paste opener and never ask for pics. They will share them when ready. Use lots of emojis like smiles and hearts to express your emotion when speaking.
So a good intro would be (use your own voice):
Wow. I have to say I was struck by your pics. You are soooo my type. 💕.
But I was mostly interested in your profile. It is so interesting that you blah blah blah. I like to do xxx myself.
Please take a look at my profile because I think we may be a great match. Let me know if you want to talk more. I would LOVe to. 🙏128149;.
Like I say it's like real world. Find common ground. Show customized genuine interest. Compliment without being creepy! NEVER ask for pics. Just let it build organically.
I honestly dont get around to discussing a meetup for several days.
Thanks for your advice. Very interesting. My issue is sending the initial message to seem legit and desirable without seeming desperate. Your idea is treat it as a dinner date first but how do you stand out from all the others to get that date? I think you are right about waiting to discuss money because that is a turn off to most. It just seems like a struggle getting attention on that site even though I am fairly young and in good shape. Thanks for your help!I have been on SA for more than 5 years although in between I took some breaks and tried other sites and even on Tinder. Seeking has been my best sugarbabe site so far and where I had the most amount of success, but other sites provided a few hits here and there.
That said, I have an different approach to yours. I treat this as a volume game. And the volumes are very large in my area. I'm lucky enough to live in an area of more than a couple of million people within 50 mile radius and it is also not super expensive. I. E it is not SF or NYC. Every day I see several dozens of new faces in my search and I look for just slim, 27 and mostly white girls (occasionally a Puerto Rican or Asian or other Latino). No offense, those are my preferred types.
The other issue is that many girls are active only briefly and do not login for days and many of them are so finicky that they delete their account and leave or they simply block you after a couple of innocuous messages. Trying to build up a huge rapport and relationship with a few chosen ones simply doesn't work for me, because those could leave anytime without a trace.
I liken this to catching small fish in an ocean. It is a porous net and the fish are easily slipping out. I have to cast a wide net, and not focus on a few premeditated targets.
I bring up the fact that I will give allowance in the first couple of messages. Almost all the girls are there on the site for money, so this should be made clear. This matters because from my discussions with many girls, a lot of guys are trying to cop free dates and even sex with girls without paying any allowance. Telling her that you will give allowance is an important confidence booster.
I also do not care if the girl is an obvious hooker or a genuine student trying to make a few bucks and then quit sugarbabing. I mean, if I'm happy to bang the WGs in FKKs, why should I discriminate against hookers on seeking.com? If the girl is young, fresh, and attractive she is those things, hooker or not. That said, most of the girls I have fucked are quite amateur and for 90% of them, I was their first sugar daddy.
I also don't try to hide my intention that I'm here for sex. I don't put it in my profile screaming "I want to fuck on the first meet", but when the girl asks what I want, I politely say that I want to get to know her, understand what she is open to and what she likes to do and go from there based on our mutual interests. She gets the point. They say a woman knows whether she wants to fuck a guy or not in the first 30 seconds after meeting him. The seeking equivalent is, a girl knows almost guys are there for sex, but only 50% of girls on seeking will have sex (the remaining want to be strictly platonic, or do pics and videos exchange, or dinners and dates for pay but no sex); the idea is for the guy to know what kinda category she falls into within the first 10 messages. I don't want to waste my time sending 200 messages to a girl who will simply not budge from "strictly platonic" stance.
Almost all the girls will ask what I am seeking within first few messages. Granted, I have had several dozen messages with *a few girls* who are simply not ready for FWB arrangements and are hesitant to even meet for a coffee. But then, I'm not paying for those messages, so I don't mind. But by and large, most girls come to the point in their first 10 messages and we move the discussion to phone or kik (for some reason, kik is the most favored app for these girls on seeking, way more than any other app).
In the end, your success rate and the amount you pay are largely decided by your location. I have used seeking to meet girls I other cities apart from home city when I'm on business travels, and it is very clear that this is largely a regional market, very much like housing. You can find depressed housing prices in a locality and overheated in a different region and same is true for sugarbabes. In that sense, I'm somewhat lucky where I am. My problem is trying to find enough time to juggle so many balls in the air and trying to manage the budget time and money wise.
Steve 9696
10-03-19, 01:16
I have been on SA for more than 5 years although in between I took some breaks and tried other sites and even on Tinder. Seeking has been my best sugarbabe site so far and where I had the most amount of success, but other sites provided a few hits here and there.
That said, I have an different approach to yours. I treat this as a volume game. And the volumes are very large in my area. I'm lucky enough to live in an area of more than a couple of million people within 50 mile radius and it is also not super expensive. I. E it is not SF or NYC. Every day I see several dozens of new faces in my search and I look for just slim, 27 and mostly white girls (occasionally a Puerto Rican or Asian or other Latino). No offense, those are my preferred types.
The other issue is that many girls are active only briefly and do not login for days and many of them are so finicky that they delete their account and leave or they simply block you after a couple of innocuous messages. Trying to build up a huge rapport and relationship with a few chosen ones simply doesn't work for me, because those could leave anytime without a trace.
I liken this to catching small fish in an ocean. It is a porous net and the fish are easily slipping out. I have to cast a wide net, and not focus on a few premeditated targets.
I bring up the fact that I will give allowance in the first couple of messages. Almost all the girls are there on the site for money, so this should be made clear. This matters because from my discussions with many girls, a lot of guys are trying to cop free dates and even sex with girls without paying any allowance. Telling her that you will give allowance is an important confidence booster.
I also do not care if the girl is an obvious hooker or a genuine student trying to make a few bucks and then quit sugarbabing. I mean, if I'm happy to bang the WGs in FKKs, why should I discriminate against hookers on seeking.com? If the girl is young, fresh, and attractive she is those things, hooker or not. That said, most of the girls I have fucked are quite amateur and for 90% of them, I was their first sugar daddy.
I also don't try to hide my intention that I'm here for sex. I don't put it in my profile screaming "I want to fuck on the first meet", but when the girl asks what I want, I politely say that I want to get to know her, understand what she is open to and what she likes to do and go from there based on our mutual interests. She gets the point. They say a woman knows whether she wants to fuck a guy or not in the first 30 seconds after meeting him. The seeking equivalent is, a girl knows almost guys are there for sex, but only 50% of girls on seeking will have sex (the remaining want to be strictly platonic, or do pics and videos exchange, or dinners and dates for pay but no sex); the idea is for the guy to know what kinda category she falls into within the first 10 messages. I don't want to waste my time sending 200 messages to a girl who will simply not budge from "strictly platonic" stance.
Almost all the girls will ask what I am seeking within first few messages. Granted, I have had several dozen messages with *a few girls* who are simply not ready for FWB arrangements and are hesitant to even meet for a coffee. But then, I'm not paying for those messages, so I don't mind. But by and large, most girls come to the point in their first 10 messages and we move the discussion to phone or kik (for some reason, kik is the most favored app for these girls on seeking, way more than any other app).
In the end, your success rate and the amount you pay are largely decided by your location. I have used seeking to meet girls I other cities apart from home city when I'm on business travels, and it is very clear that this is largely a regional market, very much like housing. You can find depressed housing prices in a locality and overheated in a different region and same is true for sugarbabes. In that sense, I'm somewhat lucky where I am. My problem is trying to find enough time to juggle so many balls in the air and trying to manage the budget time and money wise.Yeah I have to caveat things with the fact that I love having "girlfriends" and I love texting with girls every night. You'the think I was a millennial! So a lot of texting is good for me. I am always bummed if none of my cuties are around or up for a chat any given night.
Also I look for a real date and the escorts are not down to spend four hours with you. They might have a drink but are ready to fuck and get their cash. The non-pros enjoy the date itself (or are exceeding patient). My dates are usually 3-4 hours so you need a girl you have really established on line chemistry with.
Yeah I have to caveat things with the fact that I love having "girlfriends" and I love texting with girls every night. You'the think I was a millennial! So a lot of texting is good for me. I am always bummed if none of my cuties are around or up for a chat any given night.
Also I look for a real date and the escorts are not down to spend four hours with you. They might have a drink but are ready to fuck and get their cash. The non-pros enjoy the date itself (or are exceeding patient). My dates are usually 3-4 hours so you need a girl you have really established on line chemistry with.I think I would be happy to have lot of dates as well except I have some other personal circumstance which makes too many public dates a little impractical and also while I enjoy the dates I want to know upfront that sex is on the table. Some girls also expect some payment for dates that doesn't involve sex. Clearly that does not interest me. I have time management issues so I like to keep these texting convos a bit short.
But I can totally understand enjoying texting with young pretty girls. Gives a feeling of GFE. If I could, I would do things like movies, museums, outdoor excursions, beach or hiking or boating etc but time is a huge problem. I am glad these things work out better for you.
The SPD (a German political party) in Baden-Wrttemberg wants to criminalize the purchase of sexual services. The members passed a resolution at the party convention in Heidenheim.
https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.spd-landesparteitag-in-heidenheim-spd-will-kauf-von-sex-unter-strafe-stellen.dfe17367-b5ae-45f5-9b5b-70307fe2c22c.html
BigBuddy69, Sirioja, Pistons (I assume you are from one of Nordic countries).
I am curious: how difficult and dangerous is it for French men and say Swedish men to buy sex in their countries?, what are the punishments if you get caught? Can you explain a little? Thanks.
The SPD (a German political party) in Baden-Wrttemberg wants to criminalize the purchase of sexual services. The members passed a resolution at the party convention in Heidenheim.
https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.spd-landesparteitag-in-heidenheim-spd-will-kauf-von-sex-unter-strafe-stellen.dfe17367-b5ae-45f5-9b5b-70307fe2c22c.html.How realistic is it for this law to pass though?
I mean with all the FKK and other licensed brothels in Germany, it is unlikely such law will pass and I imagine most members of parliaments are men, so that also help a bit to go against such law. I hope.
The SPD (a German political party) in Baden-Wrttemberg wants to criminalize the purchase of sexual services. The members passed a resolution at the party convention in Heidenheim.
https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.spd-landesparteitag-in-heidenheim-spd-will-kauf-von-sex-unter-strafe-stellen.dfe17367-b5ae-45f5-9b5b-70307fe2c22c.html.Prostitution is not illegal in France, but prosecution for clients, but when I find a attractive escort, unfortunately more and more rare, even with rdv4U, but now not on ex AMR or charme russe level, but then no problem in apartment or hotel. Also prosecution for clients in Sweden. Old Germans will be sad if they can't fuck AO anymore poor girls.
MythoVirus
10-13-19, 15:45
The SPD (a German political party) in Baden-Wrttemberg wants to criminalize the purchase of sexual services. The members passed a resolution at the party convention in Heidenheim.
https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.spd-landesparteitag-in-heidenheim-spd-will-kauf-von-sex-unter-strafe-stellen.dfe17367-b5ae-45f5-9b5b-70307fe2c22c.html.I wonder how common was it prior to 2017 to see such articles and hear about political parties wanting to end prostitution in Germany? I got into the FKK scene in 2016, so I didn't do any research prior, is it really escalating quickly or was it the norm even 10-15 years to hear about some political parties wanting to ban the sex industry. Reading those articles just make me depressed, as we all know prostitution will never fade away or be hard to find, but legal brothels and specifically the FKK sauna clubs is just not comparable to escorts / street hookers and can certainly cease to exist if the Nordic model is enforced. Lastly is Austria / Switzerland facing a similar attack against prostitution and are they also considering the shitty Nordic model?
Not knowing anything about Germany, I don't know how out of norm is that specific party in that province & how inline with all the other parties at the country level on this issue. In other words, how influential is their resolution in that one province before such a thing becomes the law of the whole land?
I think the 2017 law implemented some minor changes and very little has changed in terms of actual availability of sex in any shape. Several billion Euros are made every year and this industry provides employment and sustenance to several hundreds of thousands of people and an outlet to many many men seeking sex. I would not jump to any conclusion that their provincial resolution leads to any outright ban on sale and purchase of sex in the near term at the country level.
Also, even in the very worst case, the risk is to entities like FKKs and other overt symbols of sex trade. BFsie, from what you said, you are primarily using sugarbabes for sex of late, and perhaps other services that are not necessarily FKKs. Sex sale and purchase have been illegal in the US at a nationwide level forever with the exception of a few small pockets. But even in deep red states, sugar babe business is flourishing. I just checked and counted several dozen young pretty women online at this very moment in a smallish city like Salt Lake City, which is an extremely reliable GOP bastion. I think the same is true for other bible thumping regional cities. With the internet and guys and girls getting matched up one to one through an exchange like sugar babe site (seeking.com or other), the number of interactions to monitor are in the millions per day. I am not seeing any evidence that federal authorities are either interested in cracking down on these one to one exchanges or pursuing legal charges against the guys or girls. As long as sex is not being sold at the traffic light stops by obviously looking prostitutes, things seem to be fine around here and I doubt very much that Germany becomes less tolerant and more draconian than USA in the near term.
The SPD (a German political party) in Baden-Wrttemberg wants to criminalize the purchase of sexual services. The members passed a resolution at the party convention in Heidenheim.
https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.spd-landesparteitag-in-heidenheim-spd-will-kauf-von-sex-unter-strafe-stellen.dfe17367-b5ae-45f5-9b5b-70307fe2c22c.html.Cops are busy wanking. Heck, I believe 99% of all cases gets thrown away. This is seen as petty crimes. So unless there is a massive media hype around trafficking in single cities, cops won't spend resources on it. And from what I hear, locals are less of a target as compared to 'tourists'. But the fines can be large if you get one I suppose. Many girls also point out in their ads that they only take local customers also. And some target out certain backgrounds as not allowed. Such as African or Arabic for example. So selective ra* But there was more of that a few years ago. So it is a bit hard to say the reason for this I suppose.
Then again, prices have fallen since the laws were implemented. And its not good for the girls. But a lositive the last few years now is that the girls are getting prettier, as the general mindset is that Germany is less attractive. And the German market has historically attracted more girls.
How realistic is it for this law to pass though?
Not knowing anything about Germany, I don't know how out of norm is that specific party in that province & how inline with all the other parties at the country level on this issue. In other words, how influential is their resolution in that one province before such a thing becomes the law of the whole land?
I don't know. It seems to get the momentum now in the SPD, one of two biggest parties in Germany historically. Some smaller parties in Germany have already committed to adopt Nordic model, so did some lawmakers in almost all the parties.
I wonder how common was it prior to 2017 to see such articles and hear about political parties wanting to end prostitution in Germany? And Mr Ho, Pessimist.
Not at all. In fact I have never heard of it before 2018. As I said before, the core problem is that those politicians are fighting a defenseless enemy, the sex industry which doesn't have any organization representing them politically unlike say the industries in USA. German sex industry with annual revenue of about 15 billions euro doesn't have a single political lobby group or its trade union representing the industry and every FKK club, brothel, monger and so on are on their own. Vast majority of the German parliamentarians are not die-hard opponents of prostitution and they can be either for Nordic model or against Nordic model. But if they don't face any resistance from sex industry, they will go along with a few die-hard politicians who strongly oppose prostitution and want to adopt Nordic model. A few politicians saw no reaction and resistance of the 2017 new law from sex industry and want to take advantage of the weakness of sex industry in Germany now unfortunately.
Lastly is Austria / Switzerland facing a similar attack against prostitution and are they also considering the shitty Nordic model?I don't know anything about Austria and Switzerland.
Also, even in the very worst case, the risk is to entities like FKKs and other overt symbols of sex trade. BFsie, from what you said, you are primarily using sugarbabes for sex of late, and perhaps other services that are not necessarily FKKs. Sex sale and purchase have been illegal in the US at a nationwide level forever with the exception of a few small pockets. But even in deep red states, sugar babe business is flourishing. I just checked and counted several dozen young pretty women online at this very moment in a smallish city like Salt Lake City, which is an extremely reliable GOP bastion. I think the same is true for other bible thumping regional cities. With the internet and guys and girls getting matched up one to one through an exchange like sugar babe site (seeking.com or other), the number of interactions to monitor are in the millions per day. I am not seeing any evidence that federal authorities are either interested in cracking down on these one to one exchanges or pursuing legal charges against the guys or girls. As long as sex is not being sold at the traffic light stops by obviously looking prostitutes, things seem to be fine around here and I doubt very much that Germany becomes less tolerant and more draconian than USA in the near term.It wouldn't affect me that much even if Germany adopted Nordic model as you alluded because I am mainly using sugarbabies now. I agree that Sugarbabe business is very difficult for the authority in any country to combat with and get any evidence of chargeable criminal offence.
Not knowing anything about Germany, I don't know how out of norm is that specific party in that province & how inline with all the other parties at the country level on this issue. In other words, how influential is their resolution in that one province before such a thing becomes the law of the whole land?
I think the 2017 law implemented some minor changes and very little has changed in terms of actual availability of sex in any shape. Several billion Euros are made every year and this industry provides employment and sustenance to several hundreds of thousands of people and an outlet to many many men seeking sex. I would not jump to any conclusion that their provincial resolution leads to any outright ban on sale and purchase of sex in the near term at the country level.
Also, even in the very worst case, the risk is to entities like FKKs and other overt symbols of sex trade. BFsie, from what you said, you are primarily using sugarbabes for sex of late, and perhaps other services that are not necessarily FKKs. Sex sale and purchase have been illegal in the US at a nationwide level forever with the exception of a few small pockets. But even in deep red states, sugar babe business is flourishing. I just checked and counted several dozen young pretty women online at this very moment in a smallish city like Salt Lake City, which is an extremely reliable GOP bastion..Well, don't be so comfortable about the future of pay sex in Germany. You have already seen the effects of 2017 laws that unnecessarily destabilized the German standard pricing model to a price haggling model similar to USA and UK. You never know what happens when liberals go crazy; they will ban plastic straws but provide free plastic syringes to inject heroine. Or like in UK, they will hold a vote but will not respect the result of the vote if they lose. Someone might just start another #MeToo movement against all pay sex, including arrangements like Seeking.com. In fact, weren't the Harvey Weinstein cases actually the Sugar Babes arrangements of that era? Be careful out there brother.
Cops are busy wanking. Heck, I believe 99% of all cases gets thrown away. This is seen as petty crimes. So unless there is a massive media hype around trafficking in single cities, cops won't spend resources on it. And from what I hear, locals are less of a target as compared to 'tourists'. But the fines can be large if you get one I suppose. Many girls also point out in their ads that they only take local customers also. And some target out certain backgrounds as not allowed. Such as African or Arabic for example. So selective ra* But there was more of that a few years ago. So it is a bit hard to say the reason for this I suppose.
Then again, prices have fallen since the laws were implemented. And its not good for the girls. But a lositive the last few years now is that the girls are getting prettier, as the general mindset is that Germany is less attractive. And the German market has historically attracted more girls.Thanks a lot, Pistons.
I have several of last questions for you.
Are there less WGs now than before the law was implemented? I would think there are much less WGs now because men are afraid of being caught.
Are the WGs mainly from foreign countries like Romania? If Germany had Nordic model, do you think from your sense that vast majority of the WGs in Germany would still come from Romania (LOL)?
Are most WGs working in apartments or as escorts?
Thanks.
Thanks a lot, Pistons.
I have several of last questions for you.
Are there less WGs now than before the law was implemented? I would think there are much less WGs now because men are afraid of being caught.
Are the WGs mainly from foreign countries like Romania? If Germany had Nordic model, do you think from your sense that vast majority of the WGs in Germany would still come from Romania (LOL)?
Are most WGs working in apartments or as escorts?
Thanks.The numbers are identical as before the law was introduced. Only some nationalities have changed the past 20 years. Such as there is hardly any polish girls around nowadays, while the polish had plenty 1015 years ago. But the diversity is higher than in Germany even though Romanians (and Moldovan) are the majority. Some south american girls, Russians, Ukrainians, Hungarians, Czech etc. Previously the age was higher for the average girls, but it has gone down a bit the last 5 years at the same time Germany has deteriorated a bit. So the old ones feel a squeeze I suppose.
Mainly apartment ads and a few streetwalkers. Streetwalkers are clearly pimped I suppose, and only Rom / Bul, but some apartment girls may be on their own. There used to be Nigerian streetwalkers too, but the Nigerian crime syndicate got kicked out by some of the EE groups.
Are most WGs working in apartments or as escorts?
Thanks.Incall / outcall. Most do both. But it is just more expensive to get outcall I suppose. Or does it make people feel better to name it escort instead of apartment worker? Some girls stay in hotels too, so they tour.
I've met plenty of Romanian girls in FKK's in both Germany and Austria who has been where I live. Working. But for maybe just a trip or two. So consider Europe more as one large market. Anything else is naive.
Well, don't be so comfortable about the future of pay sex in Germany. You have already seen the effects of 2017 laws that unnecessarily destabilized the German standard pricing model to a price haggling model similar to USA and UK. You never know what happens when liberals go crazy; they will ban plastic straws but provide free plastic syringes to inject heroine. Or like in UK, they will hold a vote but will not respect the result of the vote if they lose. Someone might just start another #MeToo movement against all pay sex, including arrangements like Seeking.com. In fact, weren't the Harvey Weinstein cases actually the Sugar Babes arrangements of that era? Be careful out there brother.There was haggling going in FKKs even prior to 2017. Palace turned into a fish market a while ago and Artemis and Oase were not heavenly abodes in early 2017.
It is not being comfortable, it is being realistic. My assessment is that Germany is far from being US (or worse than US) in the near term. If your belief is that I am wrong in my assessment, you are welcome to offer your argument. Also, if I'm wrong, in what timeframe will Germany be as bad as America? Any guess?
As for the rest of your post, it seems to me that you are using this occasion to unload on your pet political peeves. If the GOP puts nationwide legalization of prostitution in their election plank, you have a leg to stand on but I don't see it happening with religious groups being a big part of their base. I also don't think that seeking.com and sugarbabe is in any comparable to Weinstein or Lauer or other slimeballs who were basically [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127). I have never hit upon on my female subordinates at work or used my power position to force myself on them. The exchanges on sugarbabe sites are with anonymous strangers with all the terms and prices agreed upon prior to the meet. Part of the reason this is difficult to shut down is simply because there are so many of them.
Pistons,
I got what you said and have pretty much the idea of how German sex industry would be if Germany became a nation with Nordic model.
Thank you very much again.
Neurosynth
10-14-19, 21:52
The SPD (a German political party) in Baden-Wrttemberg wants to criminalize the purchase of sexual services. The members passed a resolution at the party convention in Heidenheim.
https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.spd-landesparteitag-in-heidenheim-spd-will-kauf-von-sex-unter-strafe-stellen.dfe17367-b5ae-45f5-9b5b-70307fe2c22c.html
...The most interesting line in the story to me was this (machine translation):
"Critics complain about the lack of effect of the law. ".
As I've been saying for years now...these laws are so far ineffective.
Pendulums swing, and it could be that this is just the beginning of a German clampdown on commercial sex. But as I've been saying all along, the only real way for these laws to make a difference is for guys to think they do. If prostitution is allowed to continue in some form, then other than self-enforcement, various restrictions won't be any more effective than they are now.
Don't believe the hype.
, the only real way for these laws to make a difference is for guys to think they do. If prostitution is allowed to continue in some form, then other than self-enforcement, various restrictions won't be any more effective than they are now.
Don't believe the hype.Good luck on restricting the hormones on millions of single men.
Lets get real here? The only way to stop it is complete orwellian control of the population ala 1984. Big Brother sees you, illiberal fanatical society. And who wants that? Any sane person would say that such a society is far far worse of a nightmare than some petty crimes like selling sex. Something every single mammal naturally does by nature.
And by making something illegal, you make it popular too. Just look at the marijuana trade.
I personally think the luciferians rule the world. And taking a look at the Georgia Guidestones, petty crimes will be legalized. But there may be setbacks such as this. Although for the time being, legalizing the sale, and illegalizing the purchase of sex may be a tool used to extort individuals the elite doesn't like.
Any of you regular visitors to cities or clubs in commutable distance of cities that have large Messe's have an opinion on the effect on number and / or quality of girls when a major exhibition is taking place? Positive, negative, neutral? Thoughts?
Smoke Light
10-15-19, 04:14
Any of you regular visitors to cities or clubs in commutable distance of cities that have large Messe's have an opinion on the effect on number and / or quality of girls when a major exhibition is taking place? Positive, negative, neutral? Thoughts?More customers during messe at major clubs, sometimes two times more men compared to non-messe periods. However, the girls are fully aware of messe schedules, so LU also jumps to a full strength. It's not so bad except maybe longer waiting times for a key at peak periods and more public action in kino late at night. I wouldn't stress over the issue too much.
Smoke Light
10-15-19, 04:23
The SPD (a German political party) in Baden-Wrttemberg wants to criminalize the purchase of sexual services. The members passed a resolution at the party convention in Heidenheim.
https://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.spd-landesparteitag-in-heidenheim-spd-will-kauf-von-sex-unter-strafe-stellen.dfe17367-b5ae-45f5-9b5b-70307fe2c22c.html.There is a discussion of the issue by locals on rheinforum:
https://www.rheinforum.com********blaetterwald-presseecke.34/
Google translate is your friend.
Any of you regular visitors to cities or clubs in commutable distance of cities that have large Messe's have an opinion on the effect on number and / or quality of girls when a major exhibition is taking place? Positive, negative, neutral? Thoughts?I didn't see much in Frankfurt at Oase or Sharks. Girls have to be registered now. Students can't anymore try one day to buy shoes.
Had the pleasure to visit this place yesterday, totally different experience from Berlin, first its smaller. Second, the women don't rush you or try to get you into the room fast they wait for you to initiate, food was excellent, but I'm not a connoisseur, but it was real good, €40 to get in, 40 for 30 minutes 70 for 60, if you look on the website, they tell you what's included in the price, and the price for extras it's all written down no haggling, very clean, the majority are Romanians but there's a few Germans there also, I took Alex from Norway, check her out on the website really good service, the majority are Romanians but there's a few Germans there also.
I don't know. It seems to get the momentum now in the SPD, one of two biggest parties in Germany historically. Some smaller parties in Germany have already committed to adopt Nordic model, so did some lawmakers in almost all the parties.
And Mr Ho, Pessimist.
Not at all. In fact I have never heard of it before 2018. As I said before, the core problem is that those politicians are fighting a defenseless enemy, the sex industry which doesn't have any organization representing them politically unlike say the industries in USA. German sex industry with annual revenue of about 15 billions euro doesn't have a single political lobby group or its trade union representing the industry and every FKK club, brothel, monger and so on are on their own. Vast majority of the German parliamentarians are not die-hard opponents of prostitution and they can be either for Nordic model or against Nordic model. But if they don't face any resistance from sex industry, they will go along with a few die-hard politicians who strongly oppose prostitution and want to adopt Nordic model..You are right there is none or almost no lobbying group that lobby for brothels. , and even most male politician may use escort or even brothel in their private lives, they cannot openly support brothel existence if they want to be elected again.
Left wing always like to go extreme.
There was haggling going in FKKs even prior to 2017. Palace turned into a fish market a while ago and Artemis and Oase were not heavenly abodes in early 2017.
It is not being comfortable, it is being realistic. My assessment is that Germany is far from being US (or worse than US) in the near term. If your belief is that I am wrong in my assessment, you are welcome to offer your argument. Also, if I'm wrong, in what timeframe will Germany be as bad as America? Any guess?
As for the rest of your post, it seems to me that you are using this occasion to unload on your pet political peeves. If the GOP puts nationwide legalization of prostitution in their election plank, you have a leg to stand on but I don't see it happening with religious groups being a big part of their base. I also don't think that seeking.com and sugarbabe is in any comparable to Weinstein or Lauer or other slimeballs who were basically . I have never hit upon on my female subordinates at work or used my power position to force myself on them. The exchanges on sugarbabe sites are with anonymous strangers with all the terms and prices agreed upon prior to the meet. Part of the reason this is difficult to shut down is simply because there are so many of them.Not sure when you started mongering in German FKKs, but for most of us who are in this for decade (s), definitely the market started transforming from a set standard price system to a haggling FKK market right around the 2017 law. In some clubs few months before some after. Sharks for example never was a haggling place before that law. You don't have to believe me, just ask any old timer.
For USA, you maybe forgetting demise of Backpage and Craigslist as mongering tools. Today, I won't be surprised if the Sugar Babes sites get shutdown by some wives starting another #MeToo movements against cheating husbands, and lawyers claiming that these sites enabled people to prostitution. All it takes to blow some wind for or against any agenda nowadays is the viral social media.
There is a discussion of the issue by locals on rheinforum:
https://www.rheinforum.com********blaetterwald-presseecke.34/
Google translate is your friend.I knew and have been following the discussion. The mood of local German mongers is pretty desperate. When I answered Mr Ho and Pessimist's questions, I wanted to cheer up every reader here. But in reality, the possible outcome would be much more serious. Everyone here should be ready for Nordic model in Germany.
Not sure when you started mongering in German FKKs, but for most of us who are in this for decade (s), definitely the market started transforming from a set standard price system to a haggling FKK market right around the 2017 law. In some clubs few months before some after. Sharks for example never was a haggling place before that law. You don't have to believe me, just ask any old timer.
For USA, you maybe forgetting demise of Backpage and Craigslist as mongering tools. Today, I won't be surprised if the Sugar Babes sites get shutdown by some wives starting another #MeToo movements against cheating husbands, and lawyers claiming that these sites enabled people to prostitution. All it takes to blow some wind for or against any agenda nowadays is the viral social media.If you did attend Sharks prior to 2017 and got all the goodies from every single girl you fancied for 50 with zero negotiation, you were quite lucky but also unique. Or perhaps your memory is fading which happens with age. Most people have a nostalgic feeling that olden times were golden.
Here is one link:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3225-FKK-Sharks-Darmstadt&p=1778099&viewfull=1#post1778099.
Talks clearly about haggling and upselling from 2015, a full 2 years before law change in Sharks. You can read through report after report from that time right here on ISG and you will see plenty of negative reports about Sharks from way back when.
I don't haggle even now. And I don't pay any extras for BLS, BBBJ, kissing. I ask the girl if kissing and BBBJ are included in 50; and if not I either walk or if the girl is super hot I will take a single session just to scratch the itch. Either way there is no haggling. And that is not a huge change from a few years ago — a bit worse for sure, but not a dramatic change.
You are making multiple claims here:
1. Germany will soon (at some unspecified time) will turn into a mongering wasteland as bad as the US.
2. Sugar babe sites will soon be shut down in America and elsewhere I guess, again soon or in some unspecified time.
3. All of this will happen because of some bogeymen (feminists, liberals, leftists, whoever else you do not like).
As far as I am concerned, #1 and #2 did not happen.
Backpage is just an online version of the hooker standing at the street corner. It does not equate to sugar babe sites, far from it.
Even if seeking.com is shut, another sugar babe site will sprout. They will get more sophisticated. The cat is out of the bag. Most importantly, guys and girls know now that they want and need each other and with money as the exchange, that will not reverse.
In any case, we can all make dire forecasts. If you care to, make a specific enough prediction about #1 and #2 and let us know when it will happen.
#3 is an even more tenuous claim. There is zero proof that feminists, leftists, #metoo yadda yadda were solely responsible for limiting easy access to prostitution so far, let alone that they will be responsible so in the future. In DE, it was Merkel admin which is not leftist to my knowledge that was in power when 2017 law change took place. Perhaps you think anyone who doesn't adhere to your ideals is leftist, which is fine but that is not the definition most people use. In many western nations right now, center right governments are in place and if limits are placed on access to prostitution, those are the governments which will be responsible.
If you did attend Sharks prior to 2017 and got all the goodies from every single girl you fancied for 50 with zero negotiation, you were quite lucky but also unique. Or perhaps your memory is fading which happens with age. Most people have a nostalgic feeling that olden times were golden.
Here is one link:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3225-FKK-Sharks-Darmstadt&p=1778099&viewfull=1#post1778099.
Talks clearly about haggling and upselling from 2015, a full 2 years before law change in Sharks. You can read through report after report from that time right here on ISG and you will see plenty of negative reports about Sharks from way back when.
I don't haggle even now. And I don't pay any extras for BLS, BBBJ, kissing. I ask the girl if kissing and BBBJ are included in 50; and if not I either walk or if the girl is super hot I will take a single session just to scratch the itch. Either way there is no haggling. And that is not a huge change from a few years ago a bit worse for sure, but not a dramatic change.
You are making multiple claims here:.Wow! This is becoming increasingly unnecessarily argumentative, which I'm going to refrain from here onwards with you. You clearly do not feel the sentiments of the local Germans these days. Please look at the German forums (some links are shared below by other members) and try to learn, before you try to "win" a debate on German sex market. This is my last response to you on this topic. If you want to argue more, send me PM, else ISG Admins might shut down both of us. Good luck.
Hello,
I am on the east side of Stuttgart on business and I will be bored all weekend. The palace has been featured internationally but it appears they don't get good review. I'm looking to simply have normal sex with a girl attractive enough to keep me stiff. I get lost with all the admission fees and extras. Where is the best place to go and how many euros should I bring and pay for at each step?
Steve 9696
10-27-19, 16:16
Hey guys. Mighty quiet in here. I know some of you enjoy an update from rest of world and what it's like outside German FKK. As it's quite quiet in here, here's what went down in London last week.
First of all if you like detailed experience field reports drop me an I'm. Even tho this is a long post it is not half the full story. I am not going to post it here due to lots of personal detail but if you want to read the entire adventure, senior members just I'm me.
Second a shout out to Andy F. I've never met a fellow enthusiast but Andy and I were both in London and seeing the same girls! So we met for a pint and it was great. Best of luck in your continued adventures Andy!
All girls below are Diva unless otherwise stated.
Day 1 Afternoon. Sweetie. Wow what a gorgeous and welcoming girl. Instantly at ease. Great GFE from a vibe standpoint. Light kissing was disappointing since DFK listed. Her body and face are literally perfect from my POV. Minor caveat below. 150/ HR.
Day 2 Nighttime. Melty Pantera duo. OMFG. Brought two bottles of wine and had one fucking rockstar party for 2 continuous hours. Melty is a fucking star and gets very flirty and sexy when she drinks. She clearly loves Pantera and there was light girl on girl I didn't pay for just because it came naturally. Two rounds including CIM and COB. 650 including CIM.
Day 3 Afternoon. Melty one on one. Just as great. Had her wear her red fuck me heels to bed. Solid and continuous eye contact during OWO and as I cum in Mish. Fuck she had a beautiful face. And so sweet and skilled. Rockstar. 150.
Day 4 Late night. Flory. Had a civvie date fail. Texted Diva at 1145 PM and in Flory's bed by 1215 AM. Fuck if that isn't great Diva service I don't know what is! Flory is gorgeous but brand new. You will need to give her direction but she is very accommodating. Again cum in mish staring into her deep brown eyes. Fuck that was nice. 150.
Day 5 Afternoon. Noleta. If you like them slim then Noleta is your girl. She is super nice and offered half a bottle of wine from her fridge when I arrived. Her BJ started pure in and out and I like to alternate that with licking. Told her this and she was glad to accommodate. After that fuck wow! Sex in all positions but finish CIM after literally ten minutes of being on the edge. Spectacular. 200 including CIM.
Day 6 Afternoon. Sweetie repeat. This was a bit odd. We had a bit of a misunderstanding and that resulted in her being much cooler to me. She did everything but mechanical. To her credit tho, I accidentally came a little pulling out of OWO too late. And she wasn't happy but had me shower off the cum and started again. And eventually keep a nice passionate appearance as I looked at her while cumming in mish (did you figure out that's my fave? Heheheh) 150.
Day 7 Nightime Scored a last minute Columbiana on Seeking Arrangement. After agreeing a price for 4 hours of dinner dancing and room time, she asked if her friend could come because it's her birthday. I thought she was trying to double up on price but nope. That's a freebie 2 for 1! Goddamn if we didn't have the best time, including blasting thru London in a pedal cab drinking wine from the bottle and singing Colombian songs! OMG top five kinda full experience (including an hour in the room). 350.
And there are two civvie dinner dates mixed in and an Asian MILF who fell in love with me and we danced nearly every night. Just a fascinating and Ro-girl filled week.
Anyone who is in London and not making use of recommended agency RoGirls at 150/ HR is patently insane! One of my favorite cities to visit for the girls.
Hey guys. Mighty quiet in here. I know some of you enjoy an update from rest of world and what it's like outside German FKK. As it's quite quiet in here, here's what went down in London last week.Steve,
I love your contributions. But, I also believe in "thread discipline". If you want to write a long post about what's going on in London, then you should make your post in the appropriate thread where guys who want to read about the action in London (I for one do not) will be ready and waiting for your report. I know this is the FKK "lounge" where posts can and should be broader, but a detailed post like yours belongs in the London thread, and not here. It may be quiet, but sooner or later things will pick up, as they always do. You've been consistently one of the best contributors on the site. That great, but we all need to be cognizant of and respect the principle of "thread discipline" by not going too off topic for a particular thread and / or not posting field reports in the most appropriate sections of the site that have been set up for those particular type of reports. Keep up the good work! But in the London threads LOL!
Can you please let me know what are my other personas you think? Asking because I really don't have any other handle on ISG, but will be good to know which ones you think are. Thanks in advance.
If anyone thinks that the price haggling was as rampant before the 2017 laws as it is now, clearly wasn't in touch with the real German market back then, just reading the old posts and commenting. Note that the wind of the 2017 law started blowing sometimes in 2016 (may even be late 2015, I can't remember exactly). New folks can argue here all day long about exact timing of start of general haggling and deviation from the standard rates, only those who were really there know how it was actually; unfortunately rest are only keyboard warriors.It is nice and convenient to assume self granted seniority to one's self and dismiss alternate view points as coming from newbies. It appears to me that you are unable to actually discuss a point on the merit of the point itself and need a crutch of assumed superiority to self validate your own view. Very well.
The point of posting links to past comments is to show very clearly that for several years, experienced posters right here on ISG have been complaining about service level degradation in Sharks. Were all of them keyboard warrior newbies? That one person I referenced had 850 posts on ISG by 2015 and still complaining about Sharks services.
Furthermore, I see that you are somewhat prone to exaggeration. Your sentence here says "price haggling was rampant before 2017" which is not a claim anyone made and of course in your earlier comment you said there was no haggling at all in Sharks prior to the law change. Do you realize there is a huge gulf between "no haggling at all" and "rampant haggling"?
In addition, I see that you conveniently skipped your prior pet peeves about sugar babe sites will be shut down in addition to German sex industry going the way of US sex industry, due directly to "feminists, liberals, left wingers, #metoo". I asked when you think this will happen, and I am still waiting.
If anyone thinks that the price haggling was as rampant before the 2017 laws as it is now, clearly wasn't in touch I think that it depends greatly on the clubs you attended. Some clubs, still to this day, enforce rigid pricing structures. Others fell apart well in advance of the new law. Last year I was in a club that was 100% German bears except for me on that day. The structure for pricing was set in stone. If you offered to pay extra the ladies thought it was a trap. This also comes down to the discipline of the bears.
I think that it depends greatly on the clubs you attended. Some clubs, still to this day, enforce rigid pricing structures. Others fell apart well in advance of the new law. Last year I was in a club that was 100% German bears except for me on that day. The structure for pricing was set in stone. If you offered to pay extra the ladies thought it was a trap. This also comes down to the discipline of the bears.You are right. In fact, your last sentence "This also comes down to the discipline of the bears" sums it all, which many of the newbie tourists lack and refuse to learn from the local German bears, leading to the current rampant price haggling market situation similar to a Turkish Bazaar. On top of that some folks here in ISG keep arguing in favor of these increased prices and haggling market stating its merely a different point of view, which I really don't understand how can a customer do that to himself. How much insanity we have to see that customers are not just defending but also promoting price increase and haggling of a service that only few years back was quite standard in the same markets? Are they real customers or actually vendors and their managers in disguise as customers on ISG?
If looks matter most, which club in NRW would rank highest? Also fine with RLD, Laufh. Or maybe even agencies. Looking for younger, hotter women and don't mind the up selling.
Thanks!
Hey guys. Mighty quiet in here. I know some of you enjoy an update from rest of world and what it's like outside German FKK. As it's quite quiet in here, here's what went down in London last week.Your post is welcome but please post in the London thread and then link to it here. It will help everyone interested in London then.
Hello,
I am on the east side of Stuttgart on business and I will be bored all weekend. The palace has been featured internationally but it appears they don't get good review. I'm looking to simply have normal sex with a girl attractive enough to keep me stiff. I get lost with all the admission fees and extras. Where is the best place to go and how many euros should I bring and pay for at each step?Just go Sharks Darmstadt. You may drive, take bus from FRAport or direct regional train RMV. De.
65 euro entry, then one girl 50 euro every 30 min. Extra euro for your own alcohol. Many girls of all types and age. You will likely find at least a few to your like. Bring 300-400 euro is enough to enjoy with 2-4 girl if you arrive 14:00 and pace careful. More euro if you like 2 girls same time. Club is large enough to wander for explore, with nice outside area for sun. You will enjoy.
Polyamorist
10-30-19, 13:54
On top of that some folks here in ISG keep arguing in favor of these increased prices and haggling market stating its merely a different point of view, which I really don't understand how can a customer do that to himself. How much insanity we have to see that customers are not just defending but also promoting price increase and haggling of a service that only few years back was quite standard in the same markets? Are they real customers or actually vendors and their managers in disguise as customers on ISG?Salaam Gino, yeah I've always felt a bit gaslighted when customers post to a public forum arguing against their own interests.
Salaam Gino, yeah I've always felt a bit gaslighted when customers post to a public forum arguing against their own interests.Thank you Poly. Glad to know that we still have some normal people on ISG.
I have to say that I think all of the allegations swirling around about fake handles is getting out of hand. It's starting to feel like the McCarthy error when almost everybody was a communist. Now everybody is a fake. Most assuredly we have some fake handles here. It's quite common on the internet. But, it's time for those making these allegations to either come forward with some solid proof, or they should ease up and let it go. I'm no longer willing to take these allegations at face value without any evidence or proof whatsoever. Now, I know for a fact that at least one person was being falsely accused. I know the individual personally, and we have a friendly relationship with one another. I brought this to the attention of the "committee", and his name was removed from suspicion. If an error could be made with respect to him, then one certainly could be made with respect to others as well (I believe it is so), leaving them falsely accused. Either present some solid facts, or stop accusing other members of being fakes on this site. I think that's only fair.
I agree with that for the most part.
I must say though that it did occur to me that it's kind of interesting that all discussion suddenly went quiet here as if a single person couldn't post. I guess that's the kind of thing these allegations lead to. Even if I don't believe in them they're still in the back of my mind when I'm on here.
So yeah, put up or shut up.
If looks matter most, which club in NRW would rank highest? Also fine with RLD, Laufh. Or maybe even agencies. Looking for younger, hotter women and don't mind the up selling.
Thanks!Oceans. Usually you find 5+ hot young girls below the age of 25 there. At all other NRW clubs you won't find more than 1-3 from my experience.
That is related to my own taste in girls though. But I've tried to make it clear which girls I like here for years. Just saying.
The Cane: I don't know if you have received those PM's about fake handles here. But there has been 5+ ridiculous claims I have seen there at least. Not that I'm going to name names. Almost like I am starting to wonder if the guy sending out the PM's is a fake handle himself. But the majority of that list is probably true.
The Cane: I don't know if you have received those PM's about fake handles here. But there has been 5+ ridiculous claims I have seen there at least. Not that I'm going to name names. Almost like I am starting to wonder if the guy sending out the PM's is a fake handle himself. But the majority of that list is probably true.LOL, I actually suspected the same thing. I replied asking if anyone on the list knew who the sender was, as none of their posts on FKK Forums came before those messages started. I asked if someone could verify that they knew the originator. The response I received was from the originator telling me I was ignoring his warnings at my own risk. I'm happy I'm not the only persons who questions this.
Agree totally with The Cane. Someone was interested in finding out who I am. I'm not that interesting.
Smoke Light
11-24-19, 20:18
Yesterday in Samya DJ played brings polka, polka, polka and another German song you always hear in clubs. Which song is it? Thanks!
I'm from the US and have been to Sharks and Oase several times. Looking for something different -- though I'm fearful I'll be disappointed elsewhere. Optics and number of girls is #1 for me. Does anyone have a list of clubs ranked according to number of girls? I heard Globe in Zurich is pretty good for optics but only has 50 girls. What's the next biggest clubs after Sharks and Oase?
I've been a few times to Sharks and Oase but am looking for a new experience. Optics and number of girls are most important to me. Beyond Sharks and Oase, which clubs (even outside of Frankfurt) have the most girls?
Citizen Kane
12-27-19, 09:52
I've been a few times to Sharks and Oase but am looking for a new experience. Optics and number of girls are most important to me. Beyond Sharks and Oase, which clubs (even outside of Frankfurt) have the most girls?Artemis in Berlin. Paradise in Stuttgart.
I'm from the US and have been to Sharks and Oase several times. Looking for something different -- though I'm fearful I'll be disappointed elsewhere. Optics and number of girls is #1 for me. Does anyone have a list of clubs ranked according to number of girls? I heard Globe in Zurich is pretty good for optics but only has 50 girls. What's the next biggest clubs after Sharks and Oase?Quantity have nothing to do with looks level. Unfortunately, even Globe, like Sharks, are falling for looks level. After 20 January, for looks, I would say Palace on Friday or Saturday, Oase, Samya, maybe Aca Velbert but have to work to make girls improving.
But Oase is easy to be beaten. Apart from Artemis, I would throw in Samya and Golden Time.
I've been a few times to Sharks and Oase but am looking for a new experience. Optics and number of girls are most important to me. Beyond Sharks and Oase, which clubs (even outside of Frankfurt) have the most girls?
Wait. Optics and number of girls are most important?? I could now tell you go to down-town cologne. 100 x more girls-- 20 x times better optics. Grin.
But you are looking for something else too, right?
So. If you are not so keen on service, you may find the best optics plus choice in some RLD, e. G. Prague, Cologne (Pascha), and Duisburg.
I've been a few times to Sharks and Oase but am looking for a new experience. Optics and number of girls are most important to me. Beyond Sharks and Oase, which clubs (even outside of Frankfurt) have the most girls?
Unfortunately, in NRW there is no single club standing out. Some would claim that Samya is best, esp. If you seek younger material. There are lots of good clubs, yet non stand totally out: LivingRoom, Acapulco Velbert or Gold.
The times of Oceans and Magnum are clearly gone. Penelope (castrop rauxel) is upcoming- but still very turkish-dominated.
As I don't care for age. So I prefer GT.
If looks matter most, which club in NRW would rank highest? Also fine with RLD, Laufh. Or maybe even agencies. Looking for younger, hotter women and don't mind the up selling.
Thanks!
I seriously have not encountered this. Which club are you talking about? Some things costs simply always extra, esp. If you like to put juices somewhere.
... If you offered to pay extra the ladies thought it was a trap. This also comes down to the discipline of the bears.
I am not fully dismissive of the danger of a harsher sex-law in germany, yet it is not very likely to happen now. Germany had at least 4-5 such movements in the past 10-15 yrs. This is just one more.
This is majorly driven by the SPD-party. Which is still in down-hill mode. By putting so much energy on this, the SPD is imo wasting time on something that is totally unimportant compared to topics like economy, security, climate change and migration.
The 2-3 times stronger green party already made it clear, that they don't see any need for action. The CxU party has other problems as well. So I am very doubtful that this is serious enough.
There is a discussion of the issue by locals on rheinforum:
https://www.rheinforum.com********blaetterwald-presseecke.34/
Google translate is your friend.
Unfortunately, in NRW there is no single club standing out. Some would claim that Samya is best, esp. If you seek younger material. There are lots of good clubs, yet non stand totally out: LivingRoom, Acapulco Velbert or Gold.
The times of Oceans and Magnum are clearly gone. Penelope (castrop rauxel) is upcoming- but still very turkish-dominated.
As I don't care for age. So I prefer GT.At Samya or Oase, can sometimes find natural fresh beauties like Amira, with no silicon, nor piercing, nor tattoo, nor acid, nor botox, only firm flesh slim body with elegance for look and great vagina potential becoming passionate for fucking, but better to be able with girls in these 2 clubs, interesting to test own skill to get from girls, no desk to ask about your girls like at GT or LR where I always refused to answer, I don t need them to deal with girls. Was lucky at Oase on April, May and September with wow Alba. Unfortunately she didn't return. Kind of bar I discovered may be more interesting for me now when prostitutes images in brothels, most girls are really written prostitute on face, are kind of boring for me now, when I prefer elegance and charm and more normal woman look and what a great pleasure when you find one and get her reactions and not only in bed but also after.
I'll be in Europe for work and have a weekend to roam. I've done Frankfurt before and am looking to explore a new mongering destination. If I want optics and a large selection, is Cologne or Vienna a better choice? Trying to decide between Cologne (to check out Pasha and Samya) or Vienna (to check out GoldenTime (and other?
Cologne: Pascha + Duisburg RLD + LR + GT Bruggen Samya + the clubs in Dusseldorf.
Vienna: 2 brothels + GoldenTime + another club 200 km (Wellcum) south of vienna.
Easy choice. If you ask me. It ought to be cologne. Optics distribution will be slightly worse then vienna. But much better prices and much wider selection will make up easily for that.
I'll be in Europe for work and have a weekend to roam. I've done Frankfurt before and am looking to explore a new mongering destination. If I want optics and a large selection, is Cologne or Vienna a better choice? Trying to decide between Cologne (to check out Pasha and Samya) or Vienna (to check out GoldenTime (and other?
I'll be in Europe for work and have a weekend to roam. I've done Frankfurt before and am looking to explore a new mongering destination. If I want optics and a large selection, is Cologne or Vienna a better choice? Trying to decide between Cologne (to check out Pasha and Samya) or Vienna (to check out GoldenTime (and other?I would definitely choose Cologne. Prices and quality are better.
I'll be in Europe for work and have a weekend to roam. I've done Frankfurt before and am looking to explore a new mongering destination. If I want optics and a large selection, is Cologne or Vienna a better choice? Trying to decide between Cologne (to check out Pasha and Samya) or Vienna (to check out GoldenTime (and other?If you want beauties, not best time for Samya until second mid of January, so I will try GT Vienna when GT Vienna girls coming to GT Bruggen were the prettiest there.
Cologne: Pascha + Duisburg RLD + LR + GT Bruggen Samya + the clubs in Dusseldorf.
Vienna: 2 brothels + GoldenTime + another club 200 km (Wellcum) south of vienna.
Easy choice. If you ask me. It ought to be cologne. Optics distribution will be slightly worse then vienna. But much better prices and much wider selection will make up easily for that.OK, well considering he said Cologne or Vienna, I presume Wellcum is too far away. I also assume that Dusseldorf is too far away. In my view then, GT Vienna is the only decent club here, but true. It is a bit pricey. Although for weekends it gives you the best optics compared to anything Cologne.
If on the other hand you have a rental car and can get around all of Ruhr, then sure you have tons of well priced options, but landing a good club for you is very very subjective and hard without having done some serious subjective first hand investigations. Personally I find the best optics to be at Oceans (Andra, Elena, Alina etc), plus Hannah at Acapulco, and maybe Lucy wherever she is. But you may just as well be disappointed as happy, and not everyone agrees with me. Also, if you need to visit 2 clubs in one day because your first chanced club failed to meet expectations, then Austrian prices evens out.
If you have a rental car in Austria, then sure you can drive down to Wellcum, or even take a train if you wish. But it isn't Vienna by any means. On the other hand, you will be 100% satisfied without any risks involved if you do take the 4 hour drive to Wellcum, which is more than 200 km away by the way. Question is just if there is time, when only having one weekend. How long is the weekend for example? And at what hour do you land and depart? If you want to go to Wellcum, flying into Salzburg or Venize saves you almost 2 hours, but it is the best club in Europe at the moment. Edging out Sharks on peak days at both clubs.
If you do have the cash to burn, you can also fly Vienna-Klagenfurt and wake up close to Wellcum, but domestic Austrian flights are not the cheapest.
Member #4733
01-02-20, 14:54
I'll be in Europe for work and have a weekend to roam. I've done Frankfurt before and am looking to explore a new mongering destination. If I want optics and a large selection, is Cologne or Vienna a better choice? Trying to decide between Cologne (to check out Pasha and Samya) or Vienna (to check out GoldenTime (and other?Many girls stay with family and friends now and wait at least a few weeks to go back. So in general this is not a good time. Better to wait till February. If you are here anyway then I advise you not to go to GoldenTime in Vienna. Not one true beauty. Not one good kisser. Not even one good blow job. Total waste of time. Samya is your best bet as there will always be a party even if there are not many beauties around. But, I want to repeat, January is not a good time.
Wellcum lineup looks strong right now according to the website list. At least until mid January.
OK, well considering he said Cologne or Vienna, I presume Wellcum is too far away. I also assume that Dusseldorf is too far away. In my view then, GT Vienna is the only decent club here, but true. It is a bit pricey. Although for weekends it gives you the best optics compared to anything Cologne.
If on the other hand you have a rental car and can get around all of Ruhr, then sure you have tons of well priced options, but landing a good club for you is very very subjective and hard without having done some serious subjective first hand investigations. Personally I find the best optics to be at Oceans (Andra, Elena, Alina etc), plus Hannah at Acapulco, and maybe Lucy wherever she is. But you may just as well be disappointed as happy, and not everyone agrees with me. Also, if you need to visit 2 clubs in one day because your first chanced club failed to meet expectations, then Austrian prices evens out.
If you have a rental car in Austria, then sure you can drive down to Wellcum, or even take a train if you wish. But it isn't Vienna by any means. On the other hand, you will be 100% satisfied without any risks involved if you do take the 4 hour drive to Wellcum, which is more than 200 km away by the way. Question is just if there is time, when only having one weekend..German Lucifer still at Gold.
Wellcum lineup looks strong right now according to the website list. At least until mid January.Quantity don't mean quality for looks, like at Sharks, or on this Summer at Wellcum where I didn't see any Mila look level, except Georgia ex Ina. Ro Velbert. At the moment, my eyes smile in 2 clubs with about 20 girls, but at least I find few beauties for my desire and I feel they look less prostitutes than at Globe or most German brothels. Good for me I discovered in Spain and Switzerland where girls look more like normal women and make them much more desirable for me, when I'm not excited at all when seeing a girl kissing or sucking everybody or being fucked, then not desirable for me. My subjective bad guy tastes of course, from a women lover, but running away from prostitute looks and behavior and not interested by GND and average faces I don t enjoy to kiss, and no pleasure without kissing and beauty.
I want to make party with friends for 3 days in February. Last time we had fun together we hit some strip clubs in Hamburg Reeperbahn. They are all located in one spot there and we had a lot of fun there.
This time I want to go to Cologne area. Maybe on the first day we will hit some strip clubs, but I hope we will escalate to FKKs. Can I get some advice for a noobie, what places to look for? Is there an area with bars and strips clubs for our first day? What are the best FKKs for a first time visitors?
Quantity don't mean quality for looks, like at Sharks, or on this Summer at Wellcum where I didn't see any Mila look level, except Georgia ex Ina. Ro Velbert. At the moment, my eyes smile in 2 clubs with about 20 girls, but at least I find few beauties for my desire and I feel they look less prostitutes than at Globe or most German brothels. Good for me I discovered in Spain and Switzerland where girls look more like normal women and make them much more desirable for me, when I'm not excited at all when seeing a girl kissing or sucking everybody or being fucked, then not desirable for me. My subjective bad guy tastes of course, from a women lover, but running away from prostitute looks and behavior and not interested by GND and average faces I don t enjoy to kiss, and no pleasure without kissing and beauty.I am not talking about quantity. I am referring to some 10+ girls I already know. Most of whom I've already played chess with.
PirateReborn
01-03-20, 18:42
I want to make party with friends for 3 days in February. Last time we had fun together we hit some strip clubs in Hamburg Reeperbahn. They are all located in one spot there and we had a lot of fun there.
This time I want to go to Cologne area. Maybe on the first day we will hit some strip clubs, but I hope we will escalate to FKKs. Can I get some advice for a noobie, what places to look for? Is there an area with bars and strips clubs for our first day? What are the best FKKs for a first time visitors?My personal experience: nothing goes above FKK Samya in Cologne when there's a party night.
They announce party nights on their website: www.samya.de.
Have fun!
I am not talking about quantity. I am referring to some 10+ girls I already know. Most of whom I've already played chess with.But on Ferragosto party, main day of the year at Wellcum, party was sad, girls waiting for business, some left around 9 pm, guys in the garden or looking but not going to average looks. Claimed Russian Olga is not pretty, Georgia ex Ina Velbert is a pretty end of 20's woman look but little girl level in bed, 0 room for me when 2 and could have had 3 at Andiamo on next day. For sure on next Summer I will drive again from Stelvio through wonderful Dolomiti to Zoncolan with only 23% and terrific 28% Gentile, but really not sure for Wellcum even I love to watch wonderful Carinthian mountains from the garden and one of the most beautiful club for me with World, but casting was only attractive on Summer 2017 for me, when redhead Darla was not so busy, but now silicon she didn't need and busier among average looks. Roxana ex Sharks and Palace was also not busy on August 2017 among Wellcum casting at this time. For Dolomiti ski around, Tarvisio but I would drive to wonderful Cortina Ampezzo.
Yesterday, less than 20 girls in Zurich, but pretty face Swiss EMA, Japanese from Osaka Coco, first Japanese seen in FKK land, when only saw Thaï, Philipinos and old Chinese MILF at World and Sharks, some Germans, but repeated with looking like a woman and also so woman for behavior, elegance for look, good manners, would be one of the prettiest at Globe, would have run to her at Wellcum, full natural, no tattoo no piercing no botox no acid, just like a normal woman, sweet GFE kissing all along, really taking care back of me and offering me time in front of desk when we were much over 1 hour, but I think she was really happy I repeated, she also enjoy intense orgasmus as she says, only You do like this, this seem to pay. Funny when she goes to room, always giving me a look, like meaning: because You don t want to go with me, and sending a kiss when coming back, like: do You want me now? Same than with Lena at Wellcum, other girls, guys and staff looking at us. She is all what I look for, I should be in love, I know I m lucky for her behavior with me but I didn't feel spark in my mind, even interesting sensual game.
But on Ferragosto party, main day of the year at WellcumNot true, Miss Wellcum in March is highly seen as their main event of the year. Ferragosto is just one out of 12-15 similar parties a year. It probably ranks in the middle of the pack there.
None of the girls you mention there is even around now in January. Daria is away. Olga is gone from lineup. Roxana hasn't been there for over a year. And your last girl I haven't even heard of, meaning she has never been on my radar of hot girls ever.
But seeing you only go there once a year, and in August, you probably haven't even seen more than maybe 2-3 of the 10+ girls I am thinking of. Keira is new. Nadine is new. Foxy is new. Kasia is new. LIV is new. Elena has not worked during a summer there yet. Denise, Lina and Ann (A) has gotten prettier and prettier. I don't think you have noticed Lorena, as she was always on same level as Angie / barbie (who is away). Manuela is more womanly and smart than any of the girls you have mentioned in any club. Elisa seems to be a favourite among not just me, but also 4+ other ISG'ers who has seen her. Casandra has been evasive normally, so you probably haven't seen her. And then there are over 15 new girls listed as being around, whom I also haven't even seen yet.
And Coco is back too, although she is always as popular as Daria ever was, so usually away in the room 80%+ of the night. And for girls I haven't seen yet: New Roberta is receiving al ot of hype. https://www.maximclub.ch/en/escorts/roberta New girls Sissi and Lucy are also hyped a bit. And from the pictures, new Lorette looks kinda interesting. Although I have to admit that among hype, pictures and rumors, I tend to agree less than half the time.
Not true, Miss Wellcum in March is highly seen as their main event of the year. Ferragosto is just one out of 12-15 similar parties a year. It probably ranks in the middle of the pack there.
None of the girls you mention there is even around now in January. Daria is away. Olga is gone from lineup. Roxana hasn't been there for over a year. And your last girl I haven't even heard of, meaning she has never been on my radar of hot girls ever.
But seeing you only go there once a year, and in August, you probably haven't even seen more than maybe 2-3 of the 10+ girls I am thinking of. Keira is new. Nadine is new. Foxy is new. Kasia is new. LIV is new. Elena has not worked during a summer there yet. Denise, Lina and Ann (A) has gotten prettier and prettier. I don't think you have noticed Lorena, as she was always on same level as Angie / barbie (who is away). Manuela is more womanly and smart than any of the girls you have mentioned in any club. Elisa seems to be a favourite among not just me, but also 4+ other ISG'ers who has seen her. Casandra has been evasive normally, so you probably haven't seen her. And then there are over 15 new girls listed as being around, whom I also haven't even seen yet.Yes I only visit on August during my climbing tour holidays, with 10 visits since 2016 and I only found Lena to be wow for 4 days on 2017, Darla red hair and no silicon at this time was nice but not wow. Angie was what the fuck fire in bed on 2018 but not wow look for me, and really impossible now for me. I love Italians to speak about or play ski, climbing Stelvio or Zoncolan, or football with them, but I don't care about their forum because I don't play same game with girls than them, same for Germans, we don't behave the same. I only trust my eyes to choose and I need to see face which is the most important for me. From my knowledge of Wellcum casting, I won't drive for only Wellcum, I find prettier girls for me at Samya and being so different than other clients, I make them being higher level than average I experienced at Wellcum, I would say I usually put them on Angie level in bed and find prettier than her for me. I even put them on higher level on average than girls at GT or LR. And interesting to see girls with different behavior for me, or waiting for a good room for me, remind me Lena on 2017 Ferragosto party, when other girls told her: your turn for key and she answered: Go, I wait for a good room. But I would be very happy to find again super sexy Mila who became a woman for me, at Wellcum, after Marina.
Lebanese girls are among prettiest in middle east and good news is that Lebanon is in big financial crisis, so there is visa issues for Lebanese girls to get to German FKK, but hopefully, there maybe Lebanese girls flowing into some brothel somewhere.
Where do we find beautiful Lebanese girls?
Lebanese girls are among prettiest in middle east and good news is that Lebanon is in big financial crisis, so there is visa issues for Lebanese girls to get to German FKK, but hopefully, there maybe Lebanese girls flowing into some brothel somewhere.
Where do we find beautiful Lebanese girls?Lebanese Sofia at Oase who is lovely with me, speaking French, and famous for BJ, but I would not say pretty, and if I found pretty Turkish girls, prettiest at Velbert and 1 pretty Moroccan with green eyes, but never any pretty Lebanese in FKK land.
I went to the website for Babylon in Koln. Their site mentioned people having sex in public (I. E. Not in private rooms). Is this common place at most FKKs, or is it more of a Babylon thing? The thought of being watched kinda turns me on.
I went to the website for Babylon in Koln. Their site mentioned people having sex in public (I. E. Not in private rooms). Is this common place at most FKKs, or is it more of a Babylon thing? The thought of being watched kinda turns me on.I've experienced this at Babylon and Goldentime. I've witnessed it in both those clubs and Living Room. I'm sure Sirioja will have more complete answers.
Steve 9696
01-18-20, 22:22
Doh. Posted in FKK FAQ by accident. Reposting here.
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Agree. In GT & LR they have the cinema for this. I have not seen this in Sharks but I believe no-one would take issue if this happened upstairs where the pool is.
I've experienced this at Babylon and Goldentime. I've witnessed it in both those clubs and Living Room. I'm sure Sirioja will have more complete answers.
Smoke Light
01-19-20, 03:07
Agree. In GT & LR they have the cinema for this. I have not seen this in Sharks but I believe no-one would take issue if this happened upstairs where the pool is.In LR the kino rooms are really small. Mostly used as extra rooms at peak times, but not necessarily* convenient for public viewing. Otherwise I routinely take a nap there between my sessions. Tip: to keep it quiet, turn down the speakers,* put ear plugs or cotton balls in your ears, and wrap your head in a towel for a peaceful break.
Samya has 36 rooms, but late at night when it gets really crowded on Fridays, Saturdays or busy party nights, waiting times for rooms can be about half hour or so. At this time some lovely ladies do public sex in kino on the upper floor. Not guaranteed each night, but it's a common for Samya beauties to suck and fuck there. The girls also casually propose to guys sitting in kino since women's traffic to the changing rooms is directly in that area as well. Good and uncomplicated fun.
I went to the website for Babylon in Koln. Their site mentioned people having sex in public (I. E. Not in private rooms). Is this common place at most FKKs, or is it more of a Babylon thing? The thought of being watched kinda turns me on.Saw this in the cinema at Coliseum (Augsburg). They have a bed in the room and several guys were getting BJs while watching movies Never saw anything similar at Sharks in Darmstadt.
I don't know if this is the right forum, forgive me is I am wrong.
I am visiting the Frankfurt area this coming week, and will be at Sharks once or twice. I have been there some times earlier, and know the deal.
Is it appropriate to ask the girls for stuff like light BDSM, rimming, prostate-massage, wet-play and stuff like that? I guess not. Where can I find the best sources for this kind of play in the Frankfurt area?
I went to the website for Babylon in Koln. Their site mentioned people having sex in public (I. E. Not in private rooms). Is this common place at most FKKs, or is it more of a Babylon thing? The thought of being watched kinda turns me on.Yes in Babylon Elsdorf You can have sex in public in lounge, at the bar, in the garden, if the girl agree. At GT, only dark kino. At LR, not anymore real kino, but small rooms where now only 10 real rooms. I refused these low level rooms with Maia and managed with desk to find a room for me, ex downstairs with 2 beds, now for girls, but they gave us. I even refused with Kate to go to 2 low level beds close to GT sauna. Also Globe for piece of meat public sex.
I went to the website for Babylon in Koln. Their site mentioned people having sex in public (I. E. Not in private rooms). Is this common place at most FKKs, or is it more of a Babylon thing? The thought of being watched kinda turns me on.As you found out, it does happen at Babylon and it can happen elsewhere if you can find a girl willing to join you. I have seen public sex at GoldenTime (usually in the garden so therefore dependent on the weather) and Bernds is known for it in the basement lounge and rooms. At many a FKK a blowjob in the Kino was be pretty common and it might turn in full sex.
I don't know if this is the right forum, forgive me is I am wrong.
I am visiting the Frankfurt area this coming week, and will be at Sharks once or twice. I have been there some times earlier, and know the deal.
Is it appropriate to ask the girls for stuff like light BDSM, rimming, prostate-massage, wet-play and stuff like that? I guess not. Where can I find the best sources for this kind of play in the Frankfurt area?You might get rimming or a prostate massage if you talk to a lot of girls, I've had it offered before for a price but it's very rare. But as you expect, you probably need to find a BDSM studio which I cannot help you with.
Dirk Ming Int
01-23-20, 06:16
Just came back from Frankfurt FKK Trip and would like to report my experiences. Sorry, I forgot all their names except the first one.
Day 1 Friday FKK Palace: It was very easy to get to this club from Frankfurt central station. The club is small and cozy. I loved the food, it had the best food of all the clubs. There were very few men and a lot of girls (25/60 rato). A lot of 8's and 9's, and the over all line up was excellent. I had two sessions one with a blond Romanian beauty Julie, and another with a Romanian plus Kazakhstan mix beauty. Both sessions went excellent and I left very happy.
Day 2 Saturday FKK Oase: I got there by taking a train and a taxi since there was no shuttle in the early afternoon. This club is huge and they were a lot of men sitting around in the large lounge full of smoke and loud music. The food was not that good but one unique feature of the kitchen was that you can order fresh pizza for free with different toppings. The lineup was mediocre with few beauties hiding in the corners chatting with their regulars. A lot of silicon and tattoo skinned ladies were hustling to get me to the room. I had an okay session with short Romanian beauty and took a long nap in their rest area room where no girls are allowed. I wanted to party with another girl, but I did not like anyone. I was beginning to think I should have went to Palace instead of this place. Finally, I liked a tall Romanian girl but her performance was lacking. I jerked off with her help and got ready to go back to my hotel using the shuttle. I was waiting for the shuttle just outside the club for a long time and finally went in to inquire about the shuttle. The front desk lady tells me that shuttle picks up passengers on the main road and has already left. Luckily, it was still not too late and I used a taxi to get to the train station and took the train back to Frankfurt.
Day 3 Sunday FKK Sharks: I took the regional train to Darmstadt North and walked to the club (20 minutes walk). I liked the layout of this club and its vibe. It was packed with a lot of men and women. The food was good and they had separate kitchen where they served fresh cooked Asian food. The lineup was pretty good and I started talking to a tall Romanian beauty. The session started well but she was feeling uncomfortable after 10 minutes because the room was hot like an oven. She asked me to switch to doggy because mish was making her very uncomfortable. Finally, she asked me to stop and said she can't do it anymore. She suggested hand job but I refused. Gave her the fee and told her "thanks for nothing". I went up the stairs and lied down on those long chairs for a long time to reset my energy and mood. I came down and met a beautiful Romanian with a cute smile. I told her what happened during my last session and she promised me that she will show me a good time. She kept her promise and did everything right. In fact I was sweating a lot and she was caring enough to wipe my sweat with napkins in the middle of the session. I thanked her and started walking to the station after a quick shower.
So I had an excellent time at Palace, a good time at Sharks and hated Oase. Your experiences and liking may differ from mine.
Golden Times! My one and only visit to any of the FKK / Saunas several years ago. Was in Dusseldorf for business and a couple of friends suggested we go to Golden Times. It was winter and very cold (this is an excuse for something else). Had to park about a mile away, down the road under some trees. Walk back while very cold.
Went in and paid the enter fee. Off to the men's shower. Several other men in the shower preparing for the nights action. Now I am an average hung guy or maybe even a bit shy of that, (note that it was very cold outside). There was at least one gentleman showering that could have been a porn star. His dick hung half way down to his knee's. My thought was, "oh my god, I am competing with that"! I prefer Asian women and my equipment works just fine, but my one experience was with a Romanian girl was extremely disappointing. Could have dropped it in a warm bucket of water for the same effect and feel.
OK, on with the Polar bear robe and out to the main area. Many many Polar bears and very few women. Maybe 50 Bears and five women. ! I decided that this is not for me and found a bar stool at the very end of the bar by the pin ball? Machine. Got a beer and kind of hid out until my friends were done. Even if I had found something that interested me, I don't want to be next in line. I don't like "next" or standing in line at the airport, why would I stand in line for a well used pussy? And being an older guy, I may or may not finish in 20 or 30 minutes and certainly don't like to rush.
Thinking of it now, I would never do it again but it was an experience. And to cap it off, the girls were not nude as I have heard they were, but were all wearing panties so the visual feast wasn't there either.
Back to my Chinese haunts and my KTV girls.
Sebastiane
01-23-20, 19:54
I'm not sure if this is the correct forum but here goes. I have a possible offer to move to Bucharest for work purposes. I am not sure but my thinking is that since my favourite girls in nearly a decade and a half of going to FKKs have been Romanians, if I go to the home country there must be amazingly hot girls there. I'm thinking maybe with the pay differential I could get regular sugarbabies? Or are the hottest girls all in FKKs already?
I'm not sure if this is the correct forum but here goes. I have a possible offer to move to Bucharest for work purposes. I am not sure but my thinking is that since my favourite girls in nearly a decade and a half of going to FKKs have been Romanians, if I go to the home country there must be amazingly hot girls there. I'm thinking maybe with the pay differential I could get regular sugarbabies? Or are the hottest girls all in FKKs already?First not many Romanian girls are like Megan and were feed on same quality. Easy to judge, just look at teeth. At home, most have lazy BF / pimp. I was often proposed to visit but I m not interested out of clubs. Only transgarafan could attract me for a run to compare to Prato to Stelvio Dolomiti. Look forward August, wish little karting will be full power for engine, now electronic sequential gear box is efficient with amazing kick down.
I'm not sure if this is the correct forum but here goes. I have a possible offer to move to Bucharest for work purposes. I am not sure but my thinking is that since my favourite girls in nearly a decade and a half of going to FKKs have been Romanians, if I go to the home country there must be amazingly hot girls there. I'm thinking maybe with the pay differential I could get regular sugarbabies? Or are the hottest girls all in FKKs already?I am not certain moving to Bucharest solely for the purpose of fucking girls is such a great idea. First, are you taking a pay cut to move there? If so, is it really worth it? It is not as if Romania is a giant FKK. Once you move there, life over there is as it is anywhere else. Daily chores, work, commute, sleeping, shopping, etc. Also, you will be a foreigner. Unless you speak the local lingo, your skill sets to woo the local girls are limited other than your funds. Perhaps you get lucky, find a nice young local girl that likes you enough, and you woo her with a combination of your personality, money, and manners and she fucks you on an ongoing basis perhaps free (I. E. Become your normal girl friend) or you give her some cash and gifts on an occasional or regular basis, I. E, she becomes a sugar babe. Now, either of these is also possible in other locations including your home city. I don't know for a fact that it is easier to obtain pretty looking young girls as girl friends and sugar babes in Romania as compared to other places.
If it is just paid sex you want, I am not sure living there is worth the effort and the loss of money through lower salary. If you are a European, you have plenty of spots to monger and obtain paid sex in easy flying distance.
UltraHappy
01-24-20, 23:46
I'm not sure if this is the correct forum but here goes. I have a possible offer to move to Bucharest for work purposes. I am not sure but my thinking is that since my favourite girls in nearly a decade and a half of going to FKKs have been Romanians, if I go to the home country there must be amazingly hot girls there. I'm thinking maybe with the pay differential I could get regular sugarbabies? Or are the hottest girls all in FKKs already?At the source, you will find that this is either (1) not cost effective or (2) not easy, but not both cost effective and easy. In other words, what is easy in Romania is not cost effective and what is cost effective is not easy to come by. But if you learn to speak Romanian and you build the right contacts through lots of efforts, then cost effective / reasonable prices are possible at the source but it is definitely not like just walking into your favorite FKK and going to the room within 5 minutes with a beautiful Ro.
Citizen Kane
01-25-20, 10:14
I'm not sure if this is the correct forum but here goes. I have a possible offer to move to Bucharest for work purposes. I am not sure but my thinking is that since my favourite girls in nearly a decade and a half of going to FKKs have been Romanians, if I go to the home country there must be amazingly hot girls there. I'm thinking maybe with the pay differential I could get regular sugarbabies? Or are the hottest girls all in FKKs already?There aren't any girls left in Romania. They're all at Sharks.
I'm not sure if this is the correct forum but here goes. I have a possible offer to move to Bucharest for work purposes. I am not sure but my thinking is that since my favourite girls in nearly a decade and a half of going to FKKs have been Romanians, if I go to the home country there must be amazingly hot girls there. I'm thinking maybe with the pay differential I could get regular sugarbabies? Or are the hottest girls all in FKKs already?In my opinion, if you are an European, don't move. If you are an American, the answer depends on some factors. If you are an American and interested in knowing my opinion on this, l will let you know here.
Where do we find beautiful Lebanese girls?They used to be in Japan like Mrs. Ghosn and now some of them like Mrs. Ghosn are in Lebanon LOL. Just kidding, Mr Ho.
Seriously, I would like to hear your honest opinion on Japanese legal system. Is it really like Mr. Ghosn and some others described in the media? Thanks.
Is it really like Mr. Ghosn and some others described in the media? Thanks.Yes, it is.
Sebastiane
01-26-20, 21:31
In my opinion, if you are an European, don't move. If you are an American, the answer depends on some factors. If you are an American and interested in knowing my opinion on this, l will let you know here.I'm European. My dream was I'll meet some girl (s) as hot as Megan from Globe and live happily ever after. Although IMO Serbian and Croatian girls are even more beautiful than Romanians. Though we rarely see them in FKK clubs!
I'm European. My dream was I'll meet some girl (s) as hot as Megan from Globe and live happily ever after. Although IMO Serbian and Croatian girls are even more beautiful than Romanians. Though we rarely see them in FKK clubs!Most of Romanian girls who are willing to sell sex for money are already in other rich European countries. You may still be able to find some or even many beautiful girls in Romania, but they are not for sale and don't do any good for you. Sex business is not like any other business such as car rental business where, if you have money, you can rent one of most expensive cars on the market. In sex business, you can only select the girls in the pool of hookers even if you have money unless you are open for serious relationship.
Delta Indigo
01-27-20, 09:32
I'm European. My dream was I'll meet some girl (s) as hot as Megan from Globe and live happily ever after. Although IMO Serbian and Croatian girls are even more beautiful than Romanians. Though we rarely see them in FKK clubs!Is this a long term committment? Do you have to permanently transfer there, it not, why not give it a try?
In the past I dreamed of earning what I do in Prague or even 60% of that. If you have the chance, I would serious consider ignoring all other opinions, unless someone has lived in Romania long term and given this a try, and try it out yourself.
If I earned a bundle I would rather earn that in Romania rather than in Western Europe.
I'm European. My dream was I'll meet some girl (s) as hot as Megan from Globe and live happily ever after. Although IMO Serbian and Croatian girls are even more beautiful than Romanians. Though we rarely see them in FKK clubs!If you think many Romanians have Megan look, your eyes may be disappointed. How many Megan did you see in FKK land even at expensive Globe or very expensive Aphro? But Romania is said to be a beautiful country.
Is this a long term committment? Do you have to permanently transfer there, it not, why not give it a try?
In the past I dreamed of earning what I do in Prague or even 60% of that. If you have the chance, I would serious consider ignoring all other opinions, unless someone has lived in Romania long term and given this a try, and try it out yourself.
If I earned a bundle I would rather earn that in Romania rather than in Western Europe.Pay is an important issue, that was the first question I asked below. If comp remains the same, yes I would move too, simply because the cost of living *could be lower in Rom* relative to wherever he may be at the moment.
But if the pay is 40% lower? Hmm. Not sure. Assume you were talking about post tax numbers. Say, he currently lives in DE and is making 100 grand post tax, and stands to make 60 grand in Rom. Is that worth it? I'm not sure. Perhaps his cost of living in Romania is going to be a bit lower, not sure by how much. But 40 grand post tax salary is too much to give up when we consider he could just as easily fuck some Rom girls in DE. What if his post tax comp is 200 grand now? Then he is giving up 80 thou. That is too much sacrifice for uncertain fucking opportunities.
What if he resigns his current job, goes there, and figures out after a year that he does not like it and returns back home. Is he guaranteed to regain his current higher paying job in W Eu (or US) at no change to comp? If not, then he has harmed his longer term career prospects because he is thinking with his dick than his brain. Not a great idea.
Dow is down 400 points due to it. CDC suggested today to stop or postpone trips to China. Are the FKK girls now avoiding customers from China / Asia due to fear of Coronavirus? Are the clubs stopping customers from China / Asia to enter?
How is the club or the girl to know whether the Asian dude is a Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Malay, Thai or something else? I guess they can demand to see the passport, but short of that, the reception lady has no clue. Is it legal if they selectively demand passport inspection from only Asian looking dudes? As for the girls, they have even less clue to detect and know who is the Chinese man among all the Asian customers — her best customers, mind you! Perhaps they will use this excuse to charge Asian customers 300 per hour as opposed to the current 200 per hour.
And what if the Asian dude was living in France for a while and visited the German FKK? Is he supposed to prove that too, that he is not fresh off the boat from China? Or should the club put a blanket ban on any customer with Asian look?
And should all Chinese be denied because a few people in Wuhan have the infection? 3,000 infections in a nation of a billion is nothing. Even if the true infection count is 100,000 now, still a minuscule percent.
The quarantine to that extent is being done on the side of China. Once a guy is outside the country, he has to be treated as anyone else.
That is not to say a club won't decide to institute some narrow minded ban. Given that some NRW clubs already have a door policy, it would not shock me if the clubs went one step further and banned all Asians "temporarily". I don't expect it but it will not shock me. It probably won't last long though, as these Asian hunters fear the loss of income denying their best customers more than any corona virus.
How is the club or the girl to know whether the Asian dude is a Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Malay, Thai or something else? I guess they can demand to see the passport, but short of that, the reception lady has no clue. Is it legal if they selectively demand passport inspection from only Asian looking dudes? As for the girls, they have even less clue to detect and know who is the Chinese man among all the Asian customers her best customers, mind you! Perhaps they will use this excuse to charge Asian customers 300 per hour as opposed to the current 200 per hour.
And what if the Asian dude was living in France for a while and visited the German FKK? Is he supposed to prove that too, that he is not fresh off the boat from China? Or should the club put a blanket ban on any customer with Asian look?
And should all Chinese be denied because a few people in Wuhan have the infection? 3,000 infections in a nation of a billion is nothing. Even if the true infection count is 100,000 now, still a minuscule percent.
The quarantine to that extent is being done on the side of China. Once a guy is outside the country, he has to be treated as anyone else.
That is not to say a club won't decide to institute some narrow minded ban. Given that some NRW clubs already have a door policy, it would not shock me if the clubs went one step further and banned all Asians "temporarily". I don't expect it but it will not shock me. It probably won't last long though, as these Asian hunters fear the loss of income denying their best customers more than any corona virus.Very very good points. How the clubs and the WGs react to Coronavirus depends on what they consider Risk vs. Reward. Similar to how some (like me) thinks AO sex is safe enough considering Risk vs. Reward and looking at the statistics of issues, but many people considers its too risky. Similar to history of Ebola, SARS, HIV etc etc. Even if statistical percentages are not high, if you catch it by any remote chance, end of all arguments. So the clubs, WGs and customers who are worried about issues from AO sex, probably are also better off being extra careful about avoiding any potential exposure to Coronavirus from any Asian at this time. Imagine a girl kissing or giving BBBJ to a guy who might have Coronavirus. And imagine you getting a kiss or BBBJ from that same WG who was with that guy earlier same day.
It could be a kiss of death (or death by BBBJ).
Ludacris775
01-28-20, 07:33
I'm European. My dream was I'll meet some girl (s) as hot as Megan from Globe and live happily ever after. Although IMO Serbian and Croatian girls are even more beautiful than Romanians. Though we rarely see them in FKK clubs!You can find some Serbian and Croatian girls in Amsterdam.
I did get to session with a Serbian girl in Amsterdam she was very hot.
How is the club or the girl to know whether the Asian dude is a Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Malay, Thai or something else? I guess they can demand to see the passport, but short of that, the reception lady has no clue. Is it legal if they selectively demand passport inspection from only Asian looking dudes? As for the girls, they have even less clue to detect and know who is the Chinese man among all the Asian customers her best customers, mind you! Perhaps they will use this excuse to charge Asian customers 300 per hour as opposed to the current 200 per hour.
And what if the Asian dude was living in France for a while and visited the German FKK? Is he supposed to prove that too, that he is not fresh off the boat from China? Or should the club put a blanket ban on any customer with Asian look?
And should all Chinese be denied because a few people in Wuhan have the infection? 3,000 infections in a nation of a billion is nothing. Even if the true infection count is 100,000 now, still a minuscule percent.
The quarantine to that extent is being done on the side of China. Once a guy is outside the country, he has to be treated as anyone else.
That is not to say a club won't decide to institute some narrow minded ban. Given that some NRW clubs already have a door policy, it would not shock me if the clubs went one step further and banned all Asians "temporarily". I don't expect it but it will not shock me. It probably won't last long though, as these Asian hunters fear the loss of income denying their best customers more than any corona virus.Probably clubs, girls and punters are better safe than sorry, by banning all Asians for now. Imagine one single case of Coronavirus infection thru an FKK in the news. All FKKs will suffer serious downturn of all customers, not just Asians.
CDC tells travelers to avoid China in expanded travel warning as coronavirus spreads (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/28/cdc-tells-travelers-to-avoid-china-in-expanded-travel-warning-as-coronavirus-spreads.html).
You can find some Serbian and Croatian girls in Amsterdam.
I did get to session with a Serbian girl in Amsterdam she was very hot.Was Serbian Milana with very small tits, at Sharks.
Very very good points. How the clubs and the WGs react to Coronavirus depends on what they consider Risk vs. Reward. Similar to how some (like me) thinks AO sex is safe enough considering Risk vs. Reward and looking at the statistics of issues, but many people considers its too risky. Similar to history of Ebola, SARS, HIV etc etc. Even if statistical percentages are not high, if you catch it by any remote chance, end of all arguments. So the clubs, WGs and customers who are worried about issues from AO sex, probably are also better off being extra careful about avoiding any potential exposure to Coronavirus from any Asian at this time. Imagine a girl kissing or giving BBBJ to a guy who might have Coronavirus. And imagine you getting a kiss or BBBJ from that same WG who was with that guy earlier same day.
It could be a kiss of death (or death by BBBJ).GT made Chinese new year party on last Saturday. Don 't know if many Chinese attended, but Chinese figures about virus are lower than reality, China is not land of truth, but British made investigations showing much more Chinese under virus than Chinese figures. Can become risky, like AO is for sure high risk, furthermore with girls fucked AO 10 times every day.
GT made Chinese new year party on last Saturday. Don 't know if many Chinese attended, but Chinese figures about virus are lower than reality, China is not land of truth, but British made investigations showing much more Chinese under virus than Chinese figures. Can become risky, like AO is for sure high risk, furthermore with girls fucked AO 10 times every day.Well, thru AO sex you may get an STD (in addition to chance of Coronavirus now), but good news is that all STDs now have treatment or vaccines, including for HIV. On the other hand, there is no vaccine and no real treatment yet for Coronavirus (researchers and scientists saying may take years!) so that's much much higher risk of death until a vaccine and / or treatment is available; that's the reason clubs, girls and customers should be much more careful compared to AO sex or any other risks at this time. Allowing Asian customers to brothels is simply creating way too much death risks for rest of the folks until a real vaccine or treatment is available IMHO.
GuyBrusg1957
01-29-20, 03:50
May anyone comment on the general circumstances of the clubs during mid April? I maybe able come down during the week from a Sunday to Thursday.
Will it be worth while? Am I better off waiting until later in the summer if I'm only able to do this once a year?
DiverOyster
01-29-20, 04:18
Dow is down 400 points due to it. CDC suggested today to stop or postpone trips to China. Are the FKK girls now avoiding customers from China / Asia due to fear of Coronavirus? Are the clubs stopping customers from China / Asia to enter?There is no need to stop or ban anybody due to the fear of the Corona virus. The fear of the Corona virus has been overblown. So far it only has affected about 5,000 people and killed about 100.
To put things in perspectives, the seasonal flu, also an airborne contagious disease, affects and kills a much bigger population worldwide, including the population in the 4 FKK host countries (DE, CH, Austria, and NL) during the flu season of 2019-2020. About 1/2 million people world-wide die annually from the seasonal flu.
In the USA alone, according to the estimates of the US Government agency Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), from October 1, 2019, through January 18, 2020, there have been:
15,000,000 - 21,000,000 flu illnesses;
7,000,000 - 10,000,000 flu medical visits;
140,000 - 250,000 flu hospitalizations;
8,200 - 20,000 flu deaths.
Please see the statistics in the link below.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm?fbclid=IwAR2afHGHKQ1xh8Zs0GEqjLfCQsYgWJHCPW3cfaV2Y5rlug_rsG_Zrw7GR3c
I have been visiting fkks for years during the flu season (generally from about October through about April). Even with the widespread prevalence of the contagious flu virus during the flu season, I have never become sick from DFK the FKK girls, and DFK and DATY are my usual modus operandi. I understand that there is a risk of catching the flu virus from DFK the girls, but this is a risk I am willing to take to enjoy my pleasure.
To me, the real health risk of visiting fkks is the second-hand smoke. I wish all fkks would have the non-smoking policy like Babylon Ellsdorf.
Probably clubs, girls and punters are better safe than sorry, by banning all Asians for now. Imagine one single case of Coronavirus infection thru an FKK in the news. All FKKs will suffer serious downturn of all customers, not just Asians.
CDC tells travelers to avoid China in expanded travel warning as coronavirus spreads (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/28/cdc-tells-travelers-to-avoid-china-in-expanded-travel-warning-as-coronavirus-spreads.html).The risks from the corona virus is much less than the other risks from going to a club. If you want to lower your risks, go see a high end escort that sees one client a day at your hotel. Just entering a club exposes you to pathogens from hundreds of visitors.
The risks from the corona virus is much less than the other risks from going to a club. If you want to lower your risks, go see a high end escort that sees one client a day at your hotel. Just entering a club exposes you to pathogens from hundreds of visitors.You are forgetting that for all other pathogens we might get from FKK visits, there are vaccines and / or treatments. For Coronavirus, there is none yet!
Well, thru AO sex you may get an STD (in addition to chance of Coronavirus now), but good news is that all STDs now have treatment or vaccines, including for HIV. On the other hand, there is no vaccine and no real treatment yet for Coronavirus (researchers and scientists saying may take years!) so that's much much higher risk of death until a vaccine and / or treatment is available; that's the reason clubs, girls and customers should be much more careful compared to AO sex or any other risks at this time. Allowing Asian customers to brothels is simply creating way too much death risks for rest of the folks until a real vaccine or treatment is available IMHO.Real fact about risk nobody control at this time, but known Chinese figures are wrong, Chinese women football team was isolated in a competition, I think in Australia where really open minded. But I'm pretty sure for somebody in good health, this virus is less dangerous than HIV and I don't want to have to take 15 pills a day only to survive, but being weak and catching all diseases.
You are forgetting that for all other pathogens we might get from FKK visits, there are vaccines and / or treatments. For Coronavirus, there is none yet!That may be but so far the the dangers of corona virus is still exceedingly small, it could be that for most people infected that it's no worse than a cold. 130 deaths is a small number when flu will kill 600,000 in a year and when you have numbers like that then it could imply that corona virus is a dangerous secondary infection. It will take some time yet to realise how bad this is but experts are reporting today that it's not going to be as bad as SARS or even MERS.
KingOfBongo
01-29-20, 21:20
Funny that fear about coronavirus. From what I read, it is deadly mostly for weak people, with deficient immunatory system, more than 60 years persons, etc. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger: a normal guy, in good physical condition, would probably get over it quickly and get a better immunatory system.
So, don't smoke, eat sanely, don't drink too much and do sports at least twice a week and like me you won't even need vaccine (some contains suspicious adjuvents). I think I never got flu, only cold.
If this virus had developed and spread not in Wuhan, Ch but Perm, RU or Christchurch NZ or trondheim No and if someone proposed banning all White dudes from FKK until the virus was cured worldwide, members would be up in arms here. But now we are casually proposing banning all Asians including Japanese or Koreans or anyone with an Asian look, even Asians who have been living for a long time outside China because one city has a few thousand infections.
BTW, I am not Asian nor of Asian ethnicity. Just another white dude here.
Another thing: because China became so important for global economy, there were several thousands of foreigners and expats living in China. Now, they are all being flown back to their homes due to fear of this virus. Now, it is possible that some of these people who are being brought back to their homelands were already infected but not yet showing symptoms. So, some of them return back to Europe, visit clubs and spread the disease. What should the club do? If they ban Asians and white dudes both, perhaps the clubs should shut down for a while?
In fact, several airlines are suspending flights to China except to bring expats back home. If the disease is spreading in Europe, it could be more due to returning expats that were already infected than a Wuhan dude visiting FKK. Remember, infection incubation is up to 2 weeks and many infected people show no symptoms and have no idea they are infected.
Citizen Kane
01-29-20, 22:11
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger...except Polio.
That may be but so far the the dangers of corona virus is still exceedingly small, it could be that for most people infected that it's no worse than a cold. 130 deaths is a small number when flu will kill 600,000 in a year and when you have numbers like that then it could imply that corona virus is a dangerous secondary infection. It will take some time yet to realise how bad this is but experts are reporting today that it's not going to be as bad as SARS or even MERS.Looks like this Coronavirus, which so far has no real treatment and no vaccine, is already surpassing SARS.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/29/coronavirus-cases-in-china-overtake-sars-and-impact-could-be-more-severe.html
Remember, this one doesn't even need a physical touch, just some coughing or sneezing by an infected person close to you will do the spreading, literally much worse than getting any STD or STI which needs physical contact.
Of course, we can all be in denial, until it kills some WG or a punter or an employee, which obviously would be too late to take precautions. I guess we can consider WHO and CDC don't know what they do and say, we the punters are the better experts here.
DiverOyster
01-29-20, 22:54
Funny that fear about coronavirus. From what I read, it is deadly mostly for weak people, with deficient immunatory system, more than 60 years persons, etc. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger: a normal guy, in good physical condition, would probably get over it quickly and get a better immunatory system.
So, don't smoke, eat sanely, don't drink too much and do sports at least twice a week and like me you won't even need vaccine (some contains suspicious adjuvents). I think I never got flu, only cold.Bravo KingOfBongo! You hit the nail right on the head. I totally agree with your comment.
Kissing as many different girls as possible is good for your health because shared germs actually boost your immune system. By swapping spit, your fkk girl introduces you to bacteria you may encounter later on, making you more equipped to ward off future infections. Kissing also forms a similar mix of living bacteria in your and your girl's body, which makes you both better prepared to deal with similar infections. I am citing the article in the link below.
https://www.mensjournal.com/adventure/kissing-helps-boost-your-immune-system/
I am a sex athlete and kissing / sexercise with FKK girls is an integral part of my health regimen. Marathon kissing and sex sessions help to build my stamina, muscle strength, and flexibility. I have engaged in 3-hour non-stop penetrating sex sessions with Annabel (DE) of GT Bruggen, Alessia ex Elexandra (RO) of Globe, Erika (RO) of Globe, Serena (RO) of Sharks, Marianna (RO) of GT Bruggen, to name a few. Kissing and sexercise make me stronger than ever.
Same like you KingofBongo, I never got flu, only some very mild colds at most.
If this virus had developed and spread not in Wuhan, Ch but Perm, RU or Christchurch NZ or trondheim No and if someone proposed banning all White dudes from FKK until the virus was cured worldwide, members would be up in arms here. But now we are casually proposing banning all Asians including Japanese or Koreans or anyone with an Asian look, even Asians who have been living for a long time outside China because one city has a few thousand infections.
BTW, I am not Asian nor of Asian ethnicity. Just another white dude here.
Another thing: because China became so important for global economy, there were several thousands of foreigners and expats living in China. Now, they are all being flown back to their homes due to fear of this virus. Now, it is possible that some of these people who are being brought back to their homelands were already infected but not yet showing symptoms. So, some of them return back to Europe, visit clubs and spread the disease. What should the club do? If they ban Asians and white dudes both, perhaps the clubs should shut down for a while?
In fact, several airlines are suspending flights to China except to bring expats back home. If the disease is spreading in Europe, it could be more due to returning expats that were already infected than a Wuhan dude visiting FKK. Remember, infection incubation is up to 2 weeks and many infected people show no symptoms and have no idea they are infected.https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/no-illness-seen-evacuated-u-s-passengers-wuhan-cdc-says-n1125566
That is how people / expats are now being tested first and only if negative for Coronavirus, they are let mingle with others after they arrive in USA or Europe. As much as inclusive society we want, we must be careful to not spread diseases that don't have vaccines or treatments. When was the last time in modern history any killer disease like HIV, SERS, MERS, Ebola or this Coronavirus originated in any Western European country or in USA? There are historical and health related cultural reasons to suspect other countries and their people. Also, note that we are not talking about brothels in China, they are probably already shut down or close to that. We are discussing how the German FKKs (not in Asia) can take precautions by "temporarily" banning people with Asian passports, or some sub-group of that as it makes sense by the German Physicians. Once a vaccine or a treatment is available, simply lift the ban.
Better follow what the health experts suggest in these cases.
Real fact about risk nobody control at this time, but known Chinese figures are wrong, Chinese women football team was isolated in a competition, I think in Australia where really open minded. But I'm pretty sure for somebody in good health, this virus is less dangerous than HIV and I don't want to have to take 15 pills a day only to survive, but being weak and catching all diseases.Exactly. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51293038.
Quarantined even in football games where no kissing or BBBJ involved! And here some of our senior members are arguing in favor of not putting Asians in quarantine in FKKs.
If this virus had developed and spread not in Wuhan, Ch but Perm, RU or Christchurch NZ or trondheim No and if someone proposed banning all White dudes from FKK until the virus was cured worldwide, members would be up in arms here. But now we are casually proposing banning all Asians including Japanese or Koreans or anyone with an Asian look, even Asians who have been living for a long time outside China because one city has a few thousand infections. BTW, I am not Asian nor of Asian ethnicity. Just another white dude here.Sort of reminds me of Golden Time's face control practices. It's not discriminatory. Unless of course it's preventing you yourself from entering the club LOL!
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/no-illness-seen-evacuated-u-s-passengers-wuhan-cdc-says-n1125566
That is how people / expats are now being tested first and only if negative for Coronavirus, they are let mingle with others after they arrive in USA or Europe. As much as inclusive society we want, we must be careful to not spread diseases that don't have vaccines or treatments. When was the last time in modern history any killer disease like HIV, SERS, MERS, Ebola or this Coronavirus originated in any Western European country or in USA? There are historical and health related cultural reasons to suspect other countries and their people. Also, note that we are not talking about brothels in China, they are probably already shut down or close to that. We are discussing how the German FKKs (not in Asia) can take precautions by "temporarily" banning people with Asian passports, or some sub-group of that as it makes sense by the German Physicians. Once a vaccine or a treatment is available, simply lift the ban.
Better follow what the health experts suggest in these cases.There have been cases of secondary infections already. Also, incubation is several days. I don't think the returning natives are being quarantined for that long in US or anywhere else.
Again, given that air traffic and other transportation modes have already been shut down, no new people are coming from Wuhan or China to DE now. The question is, how do we know that a person with Asian look is more lethal to FKK girls and customers than a person with non Asian look. And if the person with Asian look is dangerous to FKK girls and customers, is nt that person also dangerous to everyone else in DE, not just in the club? Ergo, extending this logic, we should round up all people of Asian look from DE and deport them or quarantine them? And other countries such as US, UK etc follow the same logic?
BrahmaPoutre
01-30-20, 19:28
Bravo KingOfBongo! You hit the nail right on the head. I totally agree with your comment.
Kissing as many different girls as possible is good for your health because shared germs actually boost your immune system. By swapping spit, your fkk girl introduces you to bacteria you may encounter later on, making you more equipped to ward off future infections. Kissing also forms a similar mix of living bacteria in your and your girl's body, which makes you both better prepared to deal with similar infections. I am citing the article in the link below.
https://www.mensjournal.com/adventure/kissing-helps-boost-your-immune-system/
I am a sex athlete and kissing / sexercise with FKK girls is an integral part of my health regimen. Marathon kissing and sex sessions help to build my stamina, muscle strength, and flexibility. I have engaged in 3-hour non-stop penetrating sex sessions with Annabel (DE) of GT Bruggen, Alessia ex Elexandra (RO) of Globe, Erika (RO) of Globe, Serena (RO) of Sharks, Marianna (RO) of GT Bruggen, to name a few. Kissing and sexercise make me stronger than ever.
Same like you KingofBongo, I never got flu, only some very mild colds at most.Perhaps not 100 % sure but it could be true that you improve your immune system.
Girls also kisses me very much (not asking especially) and I also practice regularly sport every week such as running, bicycle and swimming (2 hours minimum).
And I am almost never catch any disease; so far.
DiverOyster
01-30-20, 23:49
Probably clubs, girls and punters are better safe than sorry, by banning all Asians for now. Imagine one single case of Coronavirus infection thru an FKK in the news. All FKKs will suffer serious downturn of all customers, not just Asians.
CDC tells travelers to avoid China in expanded travel warning as coronavirus spreads (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/28/cdc-tells-travelers-to-avoid-china-in-expanded-travel-warning-as-coronavirus-spreads.html).I am not a national of any Asian nations.
I am here to champion the import of clear and objective thinking. We should not allow fear and / or bigotry to corrupt our clear and objective minds.
The Coronavirus primarily affects the residents of Wuhan area in China. The Chinese government already put this entire area under quarantine.
There are a lot of nations in the vast continent of Asia. With the exception of China, other Asian nations have had very minimal exposure to the Coronavirus, just like the US, Australia, or European nations.
Therefore, the call to ban the nationals of all Asian nations just doesn't pass the "clear and objective" test.
I am not a national of any Asian nations.
I am here to champion the import of clear and objective thinking. We should not allow fear and / or bigotry to corrupt our clear and objective minds.
The Coronavirus primarily affects the residents of Wuhan area. The Chinese government already put this entire area under quarantine.
There are a lot of nations in the vast continent of Asia. With the exception of China, all nations in Asia have had very minimal exposure to the Coronavirus, just like the US, Australia, or European nations. Therefore, the call to ban the nationals of all Asian nations just doesn't pass the "clear and objective" test.Right now, the top 10 countries with infected cases are:
China,
Japan,
Thailand,
Singapore,
Hongkong.
Australia,
Taiwan,
Malaysia,
Macau,
South Korea.
90% of this list is Asian countries, not only China. Even the cases in Australia, Europe and USA could have been avoided if the governments had banned those Asian careers of infections earlier. Who just today declared it a "Global Health Emergency". Italy now has a cruise ship with 6000 people in quarantine. Google and Tesla closed all offices / factories in China.
Right now, the top 10 countries with infected cases are:
China,
Japan,
Thailand,
Singapore,
Hongkong.
Australia,.The discussion is not about whether travel should be cut off from and to China (it has been) and quarantine should be in place (it is).
You are advocating a differential admission policy to people *already* in Germany and at the club door step based solely on their ethnicity look. If they pose a threat to FKK girls and fellow customers, they also pose a threat to the general society if they are roaming around train stations, grocery stores, restaurants, movie theaters, etc. So, if you are really a believer in your policy, all people in DE, US, ND, other places who have an Asian look should be quarantined and rounded up (until a vaccine develops or they are found to be having no infection after quarantine of an appropriate amount of time).
Why would you justify an admission denial at the club but would allow them to roam around free in society? Just curious.
DiverOyster
01-31-20, 03:08
Right now, the top 10 countries with infected cases are:
China,
Japan,
Thailand,
Singapore,
Hongkong.
Australia,
Taiwan,
Malaysia,
Macau,
South Korea.
90% of this list is Asian countries, not only China. Even the cases in Australia, Europe and USA could have been avoided if the governments had banned those Asian careers of infections earlier. Who just today declared it a "Global Health Emergency". Italy now has a cruise ship with 6000 people in quarantine. Google and Tesla closed all offices / factories in China.There are about 50 nations in the vast continent of Asia. Please see the full list of Asian nations in the link below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Asian_countries_by_area
Many nations on this list have NOT even had any case of coronavirus infections.
Therefore, the call to ban the nationals of all Asian nations is just absurd. It fails to pass the test of clear and objective thinking.
Smoke Light
01-31-20, 03:10
Google and Tesla closed all offices / factories in China.BMW in China also extended new Lunar year holiday for thousands of its assembly workers. Only office workers remain in low numbers but working from home. I agree with the points of your concern, Gino. Spoke to a girl today. She is nervous and acutely aware of the current situation. I did not bring up the subject, she did.
Exactly. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51293038.
Quarantined even in football games where no kissing or BBBJ involved! And here some of our senior members are arguing in favor of not putting Asians in quarantine in FKKs.Virus problem is in China which don't say the truth, not in whole Asia, not in Japan nor Korea. Better to know there are risks in brothels.
There are about 50 nations in the vast continent of Asia. Please see the full list of Asian nations in the link below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Asian_countries_by_area
Many nations on this list have NOT even had any case of coronavirus infections.
Therefore, the call to ban the nationals of all Asian nations is just absurd. It fails to pass the test of clear and objective thinking.Actually, the biggest flaw in Gino's argument is that he wants to ban them at the door of the FKK. If any person is truly infected, s / he should be stopped well before coming inside the country. Gino can argue that it is only FKK that we care about, but from the larger society pov, any infected person passes through airport, and perhaps a train station and could have been in grocery stores, restaurants, shops and malls, and so many other spaces. He could be infecting dozens of people who in turn will come into clubs unknowingly and infect the girls.
Say, a week ago, an Asian dude and a white dude traveled from Shanghai to DE. The Asian dude had been in Shanghai for the last entire year. The white dude had some business in Wuhan for a week in mid Jan, then came to Shanghai, and then flew to DE in the same flight. They both slipped into DE just before this virus became such global news, but of course early infections broke out in December itself. So, it is possible the white dude was infected but he is not yet showing any symptoms.
These 2 guys and another Asian dude who had been working in Stuttgart for the last 2 years show up at Sharks. Gino would send the two Asian dudes back and let in the white dude who may be a infected carrier. Somehow, I guess this makes sense to Gino?
Banana Boi
01-31-20, 07:15
6 from USA, 6 from France, and 5 from Germany infected which is more than most of the Asian countries that you want to ban. Should we ban all Americans, French, and Germans from FKKs now too? If not now, what number is the breaking point where we should consider banning these nationalities from FKK clubs? As someone else posted pretty sure it won't be a monger traveling from Wuhan that will cause an outbreak in FKK clubs rather a local German or French person. How many Asian guys have you met from Wuhan in Germany? That's what I thought.
Hopefully you aren't suggesting banning all Asians who are say 3rd generation Americans and have no association with people from China at all other than maybe going to a Chinese restaurant. Maybe we should ban all Europeans who have any business dealings with China at all, either they go to China or Chinese businessmen travel to Europe? Why don't we just shut down all FKK clubs? Places like Sharks would suffer severely without Chinese or Japanese anyways.
AsianDaddy
02-01-20, 00:47
Hi guys,
New member here from the sex prison across the pond. I'm an Asian but born and raised in USA, and planning for my first ever FKK trip in February. With all the discussions and fear about the Coronavirus all over the news and here too, will it be wise for me to keep my trip in February or should I postpone it for a few months later? Last thing I want is that after spending on flights and hotels, find out that the FKKs are not allowing Asians, or even worse I get stopped at the German immigration, like US Trump Government just started today. Even if I can get in Oase or Palace or Sharks, will the women agree to go to room with me? Thank you all for this great forum and your advises.
Hi guys,
New member here from the sex prison across the pond. I'm an Asian but born and raised in USA, and planning for my first ever FKK trip in February. With all the discussions and fear about the Coronavirus all over the news and here too, will it be wise for me to keep my trip in February or should I postpone it for a few months later? Last thing I want is that after spending on flights and hotels, find out that the FKKs are not allowing Asians, or even worse I get stopped at the German immigration, like US Trump Government just started today. Even if I can get in Oase or Palace or Sharks, will the women agree to go to room with me? Thank you all for this great forum and your advises.I have no idea if you will or won't face problems at the doors getting in or from girls or even fellow patrons who might get aggressive out of fear and ignorance. If I were you, I would cut out all non essential travel not just to FKKs but any travel in general. Why risk any hassle during the travel, at the entry back into US or in the plane or anywhere else.
Play safe. You waited a lifetime to go there. Make it stress free, drama free and a pleasant experience.
US quarantines 195 American evacuees from China in California Air Base for 14 days (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/health/quarantine-coronavirus.html).
What do you suggest Germany in general, and FKKs specifically should be doing for health safety now?
The Critic
02-01-20, 04:28
Hi guys,
New member here from the sex prison across the pond. I'm an Asian but born and raised in USA, and planning for my first ever FKK trip in February. With all the discussions and fear about the Coronavirus all over the news and here too, will it be wise for me to keep my trip in February or should I postpone it for a few months later? Last thing I want is that after spending on flights and hotels, find out that the FKKs are not allowing Asians, or even worse I get stopped at the German immigration, like US Trump Government just started today. Even if I can get in Oase or Palace or Sharks, will the women agree to go to room with me? Thank you all for this great forum and your advises.Welcome to the forum.
First off, your Asian American (US Citizen) therefore I'm assuming you have an American Passport so I think you should go to Germany without hesitation. You also have not indicated whether you traveled to China and or the Wuhan area or encountered individuals who have recently traveled to said affected area or encountered any infected individual (s). Therefore, you don't have any medical reason not to travel.
Now it seems like you either have not booked your plane / hotel yet due to you indicating you can postpone your trip for a few months so really when you want to go is up to you. In fact, your only wavering based on your Asian look. Don't buy into the so-called fear and ignorance of other spouting banning Asian guys or closing the clubs outright or certain Asian customers of which bring significant revenue to said clubs. German immigration should not stop or detain you since you are American with a US Passport, I do not see any justification for the stop and if so they may just ask if you traveled to China with in a certain time frame.
Also, women do ultimately decide with whom they want to go with but at the same time they are there for the $dollars $. If your properly groomed and healthy you should not really experience any issue. Again, you're an Asian American if you do experience any issues it will only be due to fear and ignorance of your look only.
Go and have a good time and report back with reports of your travels, the good and the bad.
Coronavirus: US and Australia close borders to Chinese arrivals.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51338899
I hope Germany and Europe countries follow, if that happen then anyone who passes the Europe border should be allowed in FKK land.
Hi guys,
New member here from the sex prison across the pond. I'm an Asian but born and raised in USA, and planning for my first ever FKK trip in February. With all the discussions and fear about the Coronavirus all over the news and here too, will it be wise for me to keep my trip in February or should I postpone it for a few months later? Last thing I want is that after spending on flights and hotels, find out that the FKKs are not allowing Asians, or even worse I get stopped at the German immigration, like US Trump Government just started today. Even if I can get in Oase or Palace or Sharks, will the women agree to go to room with me? Thank you all for this great forum and your advises.Don't believe all what is written and not only about virus or banning Asians, even you were Japanese or Korean, or even Chinese roots, you will be welcome if you are not dirty, dangerous or infected, not many Brad Pitt in brothels. WGs love Asian money, clubs also. GT Bruggen even made a party for Chinese new year, I wonder if many Chinese attended and if virus club now. At Sharks or Oase, you will see a Asian guy dancing at the pole on high heels. Can't decide for you, but my advice in this business is: trust only what you see with your own eyes or experience, not even what You hear, use your brain, relax and enjoy. Advice from a Caucasian who get the biggest jealousy about him, as say girls who really know me.
AsianDaddy
02-05-20, 16:18
I have no idea if you will or won't face problems at the doors getting in or from girls or even fellow patrons who might get aggressive out of fear and ignorance. If I were you, I would cut out all non essential travel not just to FKKs but any travel in general. Why risk any hassle during the travel, at the entry back into US or in the plane or anywhere else.
Play safe. You waited a lifetime to go there. Make it stress free, drama free and a pleasant experience.Thank you and everyone else who wrote here to advice me. Given that the Coronavirus pandemic keeps getting worse and still no medication, I will postpone my trip until it's safer. I was already refused by multiple Lyft and Uber drivers over fear of Coronavirus in last few days here due to my obvious Asian look, don't want to have similar experience in German FKKs. With the daily changing situation of travel restrictions all over the world, and the increased risk of catching the virus during my long flights, probably best to delay the trip and make it stress free, drama free and a pleasant experience like you suggested.
The Critic
02-06-20, 07:30
Thank you and everyone else who wrote here to advice me. Given that the Coronavirus pandemic keeps getting worse and still no medication, I will postpone my trip until it's safer. I was already refused by multiple Lyft and Uber drivers over fear of Coronavirus in last few days here due to my obvious Asian look, don't want to have similar experience in German FKKs. With the daily changing situation of travel restrictions all over the world, and the increased risk of catching the virus during my long flights, probably best to delay the trip and make it stress free, drama free and a pleasant experience like you suggested.Your right be patient. No need to go through all the aggravation at this time. Hopefully the WHO / Global Medical Community will get control of this. But for now its not looking so good. Let us know when you decide to travel and post reports of your travels.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ten-more-on-cruise-ship-off-japan-have-new-coronavirus/ar-BBZHpDo
More than 20 countries have confirmed cases of the virus, which has infected more than 28,000 in mainland China and killed more than 560 people.
The outbreak has prompted the World Health Organization to declare a global health emergency, several governments to impose travel restrictions, and airlines to suspend flights to and from China.
Thank you and everyone else who wrote here to advice me. Given that the Coronavirus pandemic keeps getting worse and still no medication, I will postpone my trip until it's safer. I was already refused by multiple Lyft and Uber drivers over fear of Coronavirus in last few days here due to my obvious Asian look, don't want to have similar experience in German FKKs. With the daily changing situation of travel restrictions all over the world, and the increased risk of catching the virus during my long flights, probably best to delay the trip and make it stress free, drama free and a pleasant experience like you suggested.Refused by drivers? Which country do you live?
I was just in Europe for about two weeks and nobody showed any sign of refusal during my stay and I went and ate in restaurant everyday and also took public transport as well.
Your right be patient. No need to go through all the aggravation at this time. Hopefully the WHO / Global Medical Community will get control of this. But for now its not looking so good. Let us know when you decide to travel and post reports of your travels.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ten-more-on-cruise-ship-off-japan-have-new-coronavirus/ar-BBZHpDo
More than 20 countries have confirmed cases of the virus, which has infected more than 28,000 in mainland China and killed more than 560 people.
The outbreak has prompted the World Health Organization to declare a global health emergency, several governments to impose travel restrictions, and airlines to suspend flights to and from China.Not the first time in this century that a deadly animal virus has spread into humans originating in Asia, won't be the last time unless the eating and health habits improve there. They need to learn from their mistakes, else history will repeat. Rest of the world also need to learn how to protect themselves, not be too greedy for business only.
DiverOyster
02-08-20, 03:42
Hi guys,
New member here from the sex prison across the pond. I'm an Asian but born and raised in USA, and planning for my first ever FKK trip in February. With all the discussions and fear about the Coronavirus all over the news and here too, will it be wise for me to keep my trip in February or should I postpone it for a few months later? Last thing I want is that after spending on flights and hotels, find out that the FKKs are not allowing Asians, or even worse I get stopped at the German immigration, like US Trump Government just started today. Even if I can get in Oase or Palace or Sharks, will the women agree to go to room with me? Thank you all for this great forum and your advises.AsianDaddy, you are one FAKE IMPOSTER and your writing is one big hoax.
On 1/27/2020, you wrote a comment under the FKK Palace thread, with the impression that you had experienced Estefania of Oase, anally speaking.
On 1/31/2020, you wrote that you were planning your first ever FKK trip in February.
You are NOT a real person who wants to make a real contribution to this forum. Whoever was using this FAKE handle to carry out his evil campaign of misinformation, please stop and respect the integrity of this forum.
Thank you.
DiverOyster
02-08-20, 03:50
Refused by drivers? Which country do you live?
I was just in Europe for about two weeks and nobody showed any sign of refusal during my stay and I went and ate in restaurant everyday and also took public transport as well.Mr. Ho, great rebuttal from your real-life experience. Cheers to you.
AsianDaddy is a FAKE IMPOSTER and his writing is one big hoax. Please read his 2 conflicting comments below:
On 1/27/2020, he wrote a comment under the FKK Palace thread, with the impression that he had experienced Estefania of Oase, anally speaking.
On 1/31/2020, he wrote on this thread that he was planning his first ever FKK trip in February [of 2020].
Some lowlife was using this FAKE handle to carry out his evil campaign of misinformation, with the apparent intent to dissuade Asian-looking persons from visiting fkks at the moment. This low life has no respect for the integrity of this forum.
From my Sharks visits, from GT organizing Chinese new year party, don t worry Asians, you are still welcome and girls still run for your money when business is quite slow in most clubs.
FrankCool123
02-08-20, 05:23
Refused by drivers? Which country do you live?
I was just in Europe for about two weeks and nobody showed any sign of refusal during my stay and I went and ate in restaurant everyday and also took public transport as well.Hi Mr. Ho,
Are you an Asian Customer? I am an Asian Customer who will fly to Germany next week. I just want to ask you is the FKK club there still welcomes Asian customers? Have you encountered any discrimination.
Mr. Ho, great rebuttal from your real-life experience. Cheers to you.
AsianDaddy is a FAKE IMPOSTER and his writing is one big hoax. Please read his 2 conflicting comments below:
On 1/27/2020, he wrote a comment under the FKK Palace thread, with the impression that he had experienced Estefania of Oase, anally speaking.
On 1/31/2020, he wrote on this thread that he was planning his first ever FKK trip in February
Some lowlife was using this FAKE handle to carry out his evil campaign of misinformation, with the apparent intent to dissuade Asian-looking persons from visiting fkks at the moment. This low life has no respect for the integrity of this forum.Ah OK, thank you, he may be the guy who claimed to be a male nurse in USA who had few accounts.
Anyways, I was in Europe and things are more or less normal, but I did see some European white people wearing masks on airplane and airport, which was unusual things to see, but other than that, all girls went with me with no hesitation and with one of the girl we even discussed virus in room, and she did say she is careful, but she did not to hesitate to go with me.
But hey, these girls suck dick and balls and ass and tongue and nipples of random mongers from around the world on daily basis, so their immune system got so strong because of daily dick sucking of many strangers. So no worry for them. Happy mongering was my experience as usual in FKK and Europe.
Coronavirus: US and Australia close borders to Chinese arrivals.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51338899
I hope Germany and Europe countries follow, if that happen then anyone who passes the Europe border should be allowed in FKK land.Amazingly, Asians like many other cultures, including Europeans have been migrating around the world for centuries. Two of my Asian children have spent a grand total of 14 days in Asia in their entire life. Compare that to Europe, where they lived more than 14 years. I have Asian friends who live a short distance to club's and visit multiple times per month. Nobody has mention ed any hassle gain ing entry. The Truth.
But hey, these girls suck dick and balls and ass and tongue and nipples of random mongers from around the world on daily basis, so their immune system got so strong because of daily dick sucking of many strangers. So no worry for them. Happy mongering was my experience as usual in FKK and Europe.Ha! Ho manages to pull it all back into perspective LOL! Hell, the straight up flu kills more people around the world year after year after year than something like SARS or the Corona virus.
Ha! Ho manages to pull it all back into perspective LOL! Hell, the straight up flu kills more people around the world year after year after year than something like SARS or the Corona virus.Influenza kill so many more people in world by the way, so I don't know what is the hype for. However, being Japan, it is almost terrorism conducted by China before Tokyo Olympic LOL. I hope they get their things straight both for them and for world.
As for girls, I respect their work and their immune system built in FKK. Mongers ain't mongers without them and they ain't prostitutes without us, we support one another in this organism chain through many orgasm by their three organic holes LOL!
RichCandyMan
02-09-20, 01:18
I saw a lot of Asian people Must be Visitor Bus, so I asked are you from Taipei? Answer: No From Hongkong. So hopefully there is no virus in Hongkong. But it confirms they still allow Asian people in club.
I am also Asian but living in North Germany, They did not ask me any question about visit to China or where I am from. May be because I speak Deutsche well. I don't know from girls perspective one girl had no issue doing everything but another one said no to DFK. But I don't know I its related to virus or she just does not offer that service.
What I don't know is how to tell if girl has any symptom and common cold v / s corona? And does club will take any precaution of pre-screening girls. Because of smoke every girl is coughing they have very high toleration of immune system.
Ha! Ho manages to pull it all back into perspective LOL! Hell, the straight up flu kills more people around the world year after year after year than something like SARS or the Corona virus.Haha. Mr. Ho is always the best to put the perspective back to reality. I loved the way he described it "But hey, these girls suck dick and balls and ass and tongue and nipples of random mongers from around the world on daily basis, so their immune system got so strong because of daily dick sucking of many strangers. So no worry for them. " Hilarious! OK but. With all joking and laughing aside, we can't compare this Coronavirus with regular flu. That would be like comparing it with deaths from car accidents or from heart attacks or just natural deaths due to old ages. They are all unrelated. Main problem with this Coronavirus are two. (1) there is no real treatment or vaccine yet unlike common flu, (2) it's extremely contagious if you are within 2 meters of someone who is infected (unlike AIDS or even Ebola), even if he's not showing any symptom of his infection yet. Even wearing an N95 mask may not help. Check out WHO and CDC websites if you don't agree with me. As of now, only way to prevent (not cure) it from spreading is quarantine the potentially infected people from the rest of the population. And that's exactly why many countries are now considering sealing their borders to non-citizens until the situation is contained (I. E. Rate of spread reduces, or a vaccine or treatment is invented). That's why I still think, albeit it's a bit late now, to at least do some entry control at the FKKs (or at German borders) for potentially infected people from those areas or who may have themselves (or may have family members who) visited those areas in the recent past. Decision point should have been very simple, if there's a killer contagious disease started in an area / country and there is no cure for it yet, quarantine that area / country until a cure is invented. The longer authorities wait for enforcing that quarantine, they are helping more to spread that killer disease to rest of the population.
Haha. Mr. Ho is always the best to put the perspective back to reality. I loved the way he described it "But hey, these girls suck dick and balls and ass and tongue and nipples of random mongers from around the world on daily basis, so their immune system got so strong because of daily dick sucking of many strangers. So no worry for them. " Hilarious! OK but. With all joking and laughing aside, we can't compare this Coronavirus with regular flu. That would be like comparing it with deaths from car accidents or from heart attacks or just natural deaths due to old ages. They are all unrelated. Main problem with this Coronavirus are two. (1) there is no real treatment or vaccine yet unlike common flu, (2) it's extremely contagious if you are within 2 meters of someone who is infected (unlike AIDS or even Ebola), even if he's not showing any symptom of his infection yet. Even wearing an N95 mask may not help. Check out WHO and CDC websites if you don't agree with me.I see that you are still pushing your agenda, Gino. You tried this a few days ago as well. At that time, I asked you a couple of questions.
1. If you are concerned about any man with an Asian look being let into the club, why you are OK with the same Asian person walking around train stations, restaurants, shopping malls and grocery stores, airports and movie theaters?
2. If you are equally concerned about #1 above, the logical conclusion from your perspective would be to round up all men with Asian look and quarantine them or deport them — be it in DE, UK, USA or any other western country.
Your statement in this post above is quite misleading. Countries have a right to stop anyone at their border. But you are advocating, again and again, a differentiated admission policy at the club door to people *already in the country* based solely on prejudice which you justify using flimsy logic which falls apart upon any close examination. If differentiated policy for Asian look people is OK at a club door in your view, in fact you think such a policy is needed, then it is also acceptable to deny them admission at any public place in society. You yourself said this corona virus is quite contagious. Ergo, the only solution per your logic is to quarantine all people of Asian look within western countries and deport them until a vaccine or cure is invented.
I see that you are still pushing your agenda, Gino. You tried this a few days ago as well. At that time, I asked you a couple of questions.
1. If you are concerned about any man with an Asian look being let into the club, why you are OK with the same Asian person walking around train stations, restaurants, shopping malls and grocery stores, airports and movie theaters?
2. If you are equally concerned about #1 above, the logical conclusion from your perspective would be to round up all men with Asian look and quarantine them or deport them be it in DE, UK, USA or any other western country.
Your statement in this post above is quite misleading. Countries have a right to stop anyone at their border. But you are advocating, again and again, a differentiated admission policy at the club door to people *already in the country* based solely on prejudice which you justify using flimsy logic which falls apart upon any close examination. If differentiated policy for Asian look people is OK at a club door in your view, in fact you think such a policy is needed, then it is also acceptable to deny them admission at any public place in society. You yourself said this corona virus is quite contagious. Ergo, the only solution per your logic is to quarantine all people of Asian look within western countries and deport them until a vaccine or cure is invented.This is an FKK forum, so main focus of my point is about FKKs. But yes, you are right, this same logic can be extended to outside world too. You must remember where, why and how these killer diseases pandemics are starting every (few) decades, and spreading and affecting other parts of the world before trying to ignore or deny my point of view. Unless we learn from the mistakes in history and adjust to improve as a global society, history will repeat itself, and innocent people will die early. Denial of obvious facts is not a solution. I'm really curious to know what Asians are doing so that this history doesn't repeat again. Are they calling and asking their governments and friends & family to enforce better healthy eating and general practices? Anything else constructive they are doing? Maybe some Asians on this forum can enlighten us, instead of keep repeating "this Coronavirus is no big deal and more people die in common flu". Thank you.
I would say, let who worry about corona virus because one thing for sure is that the sex forum won't solve corona virus problem LOL.
However, being professional monger, we consume so many virus from pussy, anal, tongue of the girls who suck strangers dick, ass, tongue and nipple, even maybe the toes or fingers too, so who are we to have sissy fit over such virus that is still not so common, I think our chance of getting STD virus from FKK is much higher than getting corona virus from Wohan China.
However, I have been professional monger since age 17 or 18 around world, and I never had any STD virus. I hope it stays that way and I hope mongers and girls in FKK will remain virus free from corona virus because one last thing I need as a monger is corona virus breakout in FKK that make it to media. That would give extra excuse for German politicians and feminist to put more restrictions on FKK than already is. This I worry more than corona virus itself.
Professional mongers are like FKK girls, our immune systems are trained and strengthen through extreme random pussy licking, anal french kissing, tongue licking activities with beautiful strangers called prostitutes, we will be fine, we are the mongers, out immune system are trained by prostitutes dirty body parts, so it is stronger than average marriage folks. Mongers are not sissies.
So all the major English language business media like FT and WSJ, Bloomberg are running with this story about AKk stopping down from the race and Merz and Spahn along with Laschet being the remaining CDU contenders. FT also speculates that if Merz or Spahn who are quite conservative and somewhat anti immigration become the leaders, AfD and die Linke may lose some appeal. None of these media outlets are speaking much about Greens, the bugaboo of feminist hating cognoscenti of ISG.
I personally doubt any of these dynamics will have much impact at the FKK level but we shall see.
I think the German economy is generally in some trouble. GDP growth has slowed to a total halt. Industrial output is at lowest level since 2009. It is so dependent on autos and the global auto markets suck at the moment. China is Germany's huge customer and China was already slowing and the Wuhan virus is bringing Chinese internal economy to a standstill which will flow through into purchases from Germany. In the long run, if electric vehicles become dominant globally, it is no good for the internal combustion engine driven economy of Germany. The Greens have no clue and no solution to any of these problems, but neither do many of German politicians.
They should fix and figure out these issues and put their population to work instead of wasting time on whether guys are getting their dicks sucked with or without condoms.
This is an FKK forum, so main focus of my point is about FKKs. But yes, you are right, this same logic can be extended to outside world too. You must remember where, why and how these killer diseases pandemics are starting every (few) decades, and spreading and affecting other parts of the world before trying to ignore or deny my point of view. Unless we learn from the mistakes in history and adjust to improve as a global society, history will repeat itself, and innocent people will die early. Denial of obvious facts is not a solution. I'm really curious to know what Asians are doing so that this history doesn't repeat again. Are they calling and asking their governments and friends & family to enforce better healthy eating and general practices? Anything else constructive they are doing? Maybe some Asians on this forum can enlighten us, instead of keep repeating "this Coronavirus is no big deal and more people die in common flu". Thank you.We must differentiate among Asians.
As you said previously, many viruses originated in Chinese areas, mostly mainland China. They really have a problem with their wet markets.
S Korea, Japan, other Asians are as much victims as you and I. Perhaps more because there is a bigger proximate threat to them.
There is a very interesting article in FT that this virus could be Xi Jinping's Chernobyl moment. IE delegitimizes the commie regime and its centrist running and information clampdown. FT author speculates this could be the catalyst for this regime to come down as other dynasties in China came down in the history. Highly speculative but interesting.
I am fully supportive of countries safeguarding their borders as needed and deny admission to whoever they want to keep out. But once anyone is inside the country, unless they came in illegally, there should be no discriminatory admission policies. The government is far better equipped to decide who poses a health threat and who does not, much more so than some bored receptionist woman at an FKK.
I think the German economy is generally in some trouble.I read the Local. De regularly and there seems to be some pessimism, and there have been plenty of reports about the German economy being stalled for some time. And then it has been reported this weekend that Daimler may be cutting 15,000 jobs instead of the 10,000 that they announced in November.
Germany also has one of the largest current account surpluses in the world (https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-germany-economy-currentaccount-exclus/exclusive-germany-ran-worlds-largest-current-account-surplus-in-2019-ifo-idUKKBN1ZW0UZ). Imports are being cut back while exports continue strongly.
We must differentiate among Asians.
As you said previously, many viruses originated in Chinese areas, mostly mainland China. They really have a problem with their wet markets.
S Korea, Japan, other Asians are as much victims as you and I. Perhaps more because there is a bigger proximate threat to them.
There is a very interesting article in FT that this virus could be Xi Jinping's Chernobyl moment. IE delegitimizes the commie regime and its centrist running and information clampdown. FT author speculates this could be the catalyst for this regime to come down as other dynasties in China came down in the history. Highly speculative but interesting.
I am fully supportive of countries safeguarding their borders as needed and deny admission to whoever they want to keep out. But once anyone is inside the country, unless they came in illegally, there should be no discriminatory admission policies. The government is far better equipped to decide who poses a health threat and who does not, much more so than some bored receptionist woman at an FKK.Extremely valid points. Except that if your country doesn't do enough to protect you, wouldn't you want at least your office to keep you safe? Similar to if city doesn't do enough to stop mugging, wouldn't you want your HOA to step in? Same here, since the German government isn't doing enough, FKKs should step in. It's discrimination if they quarantine people even after the situation is under control, not now.
Esther was pretty and eminently fuckable a few years ago. Then Sharks kitchen, junk food on the off days, age and a lack of exercise caught up to her. She let go, as if she is a married man. She is still pleasant. I took a 50 euro session a year ago, more for old times sake than any true attraction felt. And then those hideous boobies. Sigh.
I would say, let who worry about corona virus because one thing for sure is that the sex forum won't solve corona virus problem LOL.
However, being professional monger, we consume so many virus from pussy, anal, tongue of the girls who suck strangers dick, ass, tongue and nipple, even maybe the toes or fingers too, so who are we to have sissy fit over such virus that is still not so common, I think our chance of getting STD virus from FKK is much higher than getting corona virus from Wohan China.
However, I have been professional monger since age 17 or 18 around world, and I never had any STD virus. I hope it stays that way and I hope mongers and girls in FKK will remain virus free from corona virus because one last thing I need as a monger is corona virus breakout in FKK that make it to media. That would give extra excuse for German politicians and feminist to put more restrictions on FKK than already is. This I worry more than corona virus itself.
Professional mongers are like FKK girls, our immune systems are trained and strengthen through extreme random pussy licking, anal french kissing, tongue licking activities with beautiful strangers called prostitutes, we will be fine, we are the mongers, out immune system are trained by prostitutes dirty body parts, so it is stronger than average marriage folks. Mongers are not sissies.I just read that Asian males genetically has a higher chance of attaining it. And that women has less of a chance than males. The source seemed valid, but who knows these days right? Either way, with just a fifth of the chance a Chinese or Asian male has of getting sick from it, and the fact mostly people aged 60+ dies, I am not alarmed at all myself being non Asian. And women, who apparently just have 50% of the chance a male has at getting sick from it, like the Romanian girls in our FKK's, definitely shouldn't worry about it.
Life has its ways of fixing what is offset. Mother earth speaks.
DiverOyster
02-11-20, 04:31
Esther was pretty and eminently fuckable a few years ago. Then Sharks kitchen, junk food on the off days, age and a lack of exercise caught up to her. She let go, as if she is a married man. She is still pleasant. I took a 50 euro session a year ago, more for old times sake than any true attraction felt. And then those hideous boobies. Sigh.I had a few sessions with Esther of Sharks back in 2016 and early 2017, all sessions being 100 E for 1 HR. However, her DFK performance was not up to my standard so I stopped going with her.
Extremely valid points. Except that if your country doesn't do enough to protect you, wouldn't you want at least your office to keep you safe? Similar to if city doesn't do enough to stop mugging, wouldn't you want your HOA to step in? Same here, since the German government isn't doing enough, FKKs should step in. It's discrimination if they quarantine people even after the situation is under control, not now.No, my HOA does not protect me, they fleece me with their useless HOA fee. I have a shotgun for my home and family defense. I live in a good city and nice neighborhood, still bought the gun for mental peace more than anything else.
And no, a commercial establishment is not there to protect you. It takes a entry fee and lets customers in. As does a restaurant or grocery store, or any other place of commercial activity.
I just read that Asian males genetically has a higher chance of attaining it. And that women has less of a chance than males. The source seemed valid, but who knows these days right? Either way, with just a fifth of the chance a Chinese or Asian male has of getting sick from it, and the fact mostly people aged 60+ dies, I am not alarmed at all myself being non Asian. And women, who apparently just have 50% of the chance a male has at getting sick from it, like the Romanian girls in our FKK's, definitely shouldn't worry about it.
Life has its ways of fixing what is offset. Mother earth speaks.I would say we have more chance of getting hit by car than contracting this virus from China.
As for STD, I have been a monger around world for about over 23 years or 22 years now, I never had any STD. But all the beautiful girls I fucked around globe, every moment of mongering was worth it.
I would say, just let it be and whatever happen will happen, but meanwhile in between, let us enjoy ourselves while we are here and while we can.
One thing I know is that the Sex forum will not solve this virus problem from China, this is for sure LOL.
As usual, it is media hyped giving masses entertainment via fear strategy and people are dancing left to right. I focus on fucking very beautiful girls LOL!
No, my HOA does not protect me, they fleece me with their useless HOA fee. I have a shotgun for my home and family defense. I live in a good city and nice neighborhood, still bought the gun for mental peace more than anything else.
And no, a commercial establishment is not there to protect you. It takes a entry fee and lets customers in. As does a restaurant or grocery store, or any other place of commercial activity.Why do bars, night clubs or even FKKs have private security or bouncers?
No, my HOA does not protect me, they fleece me with their useless HOA fee. I have a shotgun for my home and family defense. I live in a good city and nice neighborhood, still bought the gun for mental peace more than anything else.
And no, a commercial establishment is not there to protect you. It takes a entry fee and lets customers in. As does a restaurant or grocery store, or any other place of commercial activity.In your same logic, non-AO clubs (E. G. Sharks, Oase, Palace etc.) should not kick out girls for publicly providing AO, right?
In your same logic, non-AO clubs (E. G. Sharks, Oase, Palace etc.) should not kick out girls for publicly providing AO, right?Is that a rule that applies to all girls? Or is that a rule that applies to only certain ethnicity girls that Gino dislikes?
Look, I realize you want to exclude certain people from the clubs, I get it. But the western societies we live in generally have rules that apply equally to all people. If the club denied admission to a certain Chinese visitor from Wuhan who is coughing badly, has an obvious high fever etc that is one thing and none of us would quibble about it. But you want to remove anyone with an Asian look from clubs, restaurants, shops, movies, train stations, roads, any place in our society where other people can run into them. You want to quarantine several dozens of million Asian people already living in western societies for a very long time. I think your views are your views, we all are entitled to our views, but in general such draconian things are totally illegal and unconstitutional in all of the west.
Why do bars, night clubs or even FKKs have private security or bouncers?They are not there to exclude certain patrons based on ethnicity or look. And they enforce the rules based on actual behavior. They don't remove all Asians because one Asian misbehaved or do not remove all tall guys because one tall guy misbehaved.
Is that a rule that applies to all girls? Or is that a rule that applies to only certain ethnicity girls that Gino dislikes?
Look, I realize you want to exclude certain people from the clubs, I get it. But the western societies we live in generally have rules that apply equally to all people. If the club denied admission to a certain Chinese visitor from Wuhan who is coughing badly, has an obvious high fever etc that is one thing and none of us would quibble about it. But you want to remove anyone with an Asian look from clubs, restaurants, shops, movies, train stations, roads, any place in our society where other people can run into them. You want to quarantine several dozens of million Asian people already living in western societies for a very long time. I think your views are your views, we all are entitled to our views, but in general such draconian things are totally illegal and unconstitutional in all of the west.You didn't answer my question, rather skirted it conveniently.
They are not there to exclude certain patrons based on ethnicity or look. And they enforce the rules based on actual behavior. They don't remove all Asians because one Asian misbehaved or do not remove all tall guys because one tall guy misbehaved.Golden time Bruggen has reputation to turn down certain individuals, mostly with more tanned brown or black skin, but I have seen Indian guys very few times in golden time. However, there are many reports on forum that they turn down certain clients.
You didn't answer my question, rather skirted it conveniently.I did. Sharks can keep all public AO girls, or kick out all public AO girls. What is not OK is for Sharks manager Gino to decide to keep brunette AO girls with love handles because he personally likes such girls and kick out blonde AO girls with braids because he personally detests them.
DiverOyster
02-12-20, 23:34
This is an FKK forum, so main focus of my point is about FKKs. But yes, you are right, this same logic can be extended to outside world too. You must remember where, why and how these killer diseases pandemics are starting every (few) decades, and spreading and affecting other parts of the world before trying to ignore or deny my point of view. Unless we learn from the mistakes in history and adjust to improve as a global society, history will repeat itself, and innocent people will die early. Denial of obvious facts is not a solution. I'm really curious to know what Asians are doing so that this history doesn't repeat again. Are they calling and asking their governments and friends & family to enforce better healthy eating and general practices? Anything else constructive they are doing? Maybe some Asians on this forum can enlighten us, instead of keep repeating "this Coronavirus is no big deal and more people die in common flu". Thank you.Gino02, again, your mind failed to understand what a continent means. You can google and learn what a continent is. Let me show you some basics.
Asia is a continent. Asians are the peoples who inhabit the continent of Asia.
The Coronavirus epidemic was started by some certain individuals in Wuhan City in China who ate wild animals and contracted the Coronavirus. These certain individuals from Wuhan are the culprits for this epidemic. We blame these certain individuals from Wuhan for this epidemic. Even though these certain individuals are Asians, we don't blame the peoples who inhabit the continent of Asia for this epidemic. We don't tell the Asians to learn from their mistakes to not start another epidemic.
Let me offer you an analogy below to help you better understand what a continent is.
Europe is a continent. Europeans are the peoples who inhabit the continent of Europe.
During WWII, the Nazis committed the Holocaust. The Nazis were the culprits for the Holocaust. We blame the Nazis for the Holocaust. Even though the Nazis were Europeans, we don't blame the peoples who inhabited the continent of Europe during WWII for the Holocaust. We don't tell the Europeans to learn from their mistakes to not commit another Holocaust.
I hope your mind finally understand what a continent is. I hope you have a good day. All the best to you.
Known now for thousands dead in China, according to international figures, not Chinese of course. Fortunately, not too many outside China.
As for STD, I have been a monger around world for about over 23 years or 22 years now, I never had any STD. But all the beautiful girls I fucked around globe, every moment of mongering was worth it.STD's are mostly just propaganda too. I have locked down well over 500 different girls also, and nothing. Seen some warts on some girls, but those things disappear naturally after a year or so from what I know and hear. Even if media or the official story may sometimes claim otherwise.
Its a global lie programme to keep people from having having sex and reproduce. Just like all the other bullshit we hear claiming that selling sex is dehumanizing women. If that was the case, then french greetings wouldn't be so intimate. But this double speech regarding intimacy is nothing more than 1984's double speech.
In fact, sex is proven to be very very important for the immune system. That is where the discussion should start.
The Coronavirus epidemic was started by some certain individuals in Wuhan City in China who ate wild animals and contracted the Coronavirus. These certain individuals from Wuhan are the culprits for this epidemic. We blame these certain individuals from Wuhan for this epidemic. Amazing.
Eating wild animals caused this now huh.
And even assuming that is correct then you blame the people for it. I'd like to see people blaming country boy hunters for similar things.
Just amazing.
STD's are mostly just propaganda too. I have locked down well over 500 different girls also, and nothing. Seen some warts on some girls, but those things disappear naturally after a year or so from what I know and hear. Even if media or the official story may sometimes claim otherwise.
Its a global lie programme to keep people from having having sex and reproduce. Just like all the other bullshit we hear claiming that selling sex is dehumanizing women. If that was the case, then french greetings wouldn't be so intimate. But this double speech regarding intimacy is nothing more than 1984's double speech.
In fact, sex is proven to be very very important for the immune system. That is where the discussion should start.I think as a monger, we should let ourselves go to lust to great extent.
There are however things we should care like I use condom for anal sex with tutes or girls I do not know well or if I have cut on my finger, I use band aid or I do not eat chewing gum during FKK trip just in case I cut my tongue etc. I try to be careful with cut touching tutes body fluid, but there are sometimes during mongering girls hurt my penis by giving too strong blowjob, so it is not hundred percent as well. I focus more on enjoying than caring about little details and so far I am OK.
Being professional monger is a way of life and choice some of us made and it is to giving into our lust, being honest with our lust, so I focus on that and care more about finding new beautiful stunner more and many STD are actually quite hard to get infected.
I take mongering seriously, so what I focus now is how to fuck like more than 5 rooms per day with strong erection as I was in my 20's and cum each time. I do not have ED, but after 3 rooms with all cum, my penis begin to get weak and I am turning 40 this year, so I will look into good medicine for me to use during FKK trip so I can enjoy to the max.
Good news is that, I read many medical report and researches that Cialis is actually good for arteries. This is good thing, I won't eat it every way, but during FKK trip or when I buy escort here, it is good tool to use because I want to cum as many times as I can in given time with tutes.
Like when I go one hour in FKK, girls let me cum two times in one hour, I hate it when second cum is difficult due to weak erection doing two cum session in rather short period of time, so Cialis which supposed to be actually has other good side benefits can be good tool for me to use during such rather tough situation in most pleasurable way.
As a professional monger, I live for gaining more beautiful sexual memories with many beautiful stunners as I can in my life time, so as a special force of sex, I need right gear to combat in brothel LOL!
I think as a monger, we should let ourselves go to lust to great extent.
There are however things we should care like I use condom for anal sex with tutes or girls I do not know well or if I have cut on my finger, I use band aid or I do not eat chewing gum during FKK trip just in case I cut my tongue etc. I try to be careful with cut touching tutes body fluid, but there are sometimes during mongering girls hurt my penis by giving too strong blowjob, so it is not hundred percent as well. I focus more on enjoying than caring about little details and so far I am OK.
Being professional monger is a way of life and choice some of us made and it is to giving into our lust, being honest with our lust, so I focus on that and care more about finding new beautiful stunner more and many STD are actually quite hard to get infected.
I take mongering seriously, so what I focus now is how to fuck like more than 5 rooms per day with strong erection as I was in my 20's and cum each time. I do not have ED, but after 3 rooms with all cum, my penis begin to get weak and I am turning 40 this year, so I will look into good medicine for me to use during FKK trip so I can enjoy to the max.You use condom only for anal sex? Then you should ask doctor about risks with prostitutes fucked many times per day. I don't want to become a mongering expert, I want to keep my innocent eyes looking for women, not prostitute written on face. Today, I saw a German I would say in late 30's but I didn't ask her, a part timer woman working only few hours and not every week, among prostitutes in a brothel, not what I call a beauty, just GND but looking and behaving like a normal life woman with so fresh behavior with little girl eyes, so, being a bit bored by prostitutes images, I think I saw enough becoming real prostitutes written on face, even not my beauty level standard, but I wanted to experience. I told her I'm French, she speaks a bit, I need kisses, I got a woman in love, stuck to my face with her tongue for 1 hour. She told: men like you are rare for me, 100 for love in Saarland, she told hope for again. I know I won't return because my eyes and mind need beauty for real pleasure, but a great experience like with a real girlfriend. This is sensation I look for, no interest to become a specialist to pay for sex.
You use condom only for anal sex? Then you should ask doctor about risks with prostitutes fucked many times per day. I don't want to become a mongering expert, I want to keep my innocent eyes looking for women, not prostitute written on face. Today, I saw a German I would say in late 30's but I didn't ask her, a part timer woman working only few hours and not every week, among prostitutes in a brothel, not what I call a beauty, just GND but looking and behaving like a normal life woman with so fresh behavior with little girl eyes, so, being a bit bored by prostitutes images, I think I saw enough becoming real prostitutes written on face, even not my beauty level standard, but I wanted to experience. I told her I'm French, she speaks a bit, I need kisses, I got a woman in love, stuck to my face with her tongue for 1 hour. She told: men like you are rare for me, 100 for love in Saarland, she told hope for again. I know I won't return because my eyes and mind need beauty for real pleasure, but a great experience like with a real girlfriend. This is sensation I look for, no interest to become a specialist to pay for sex.Siri,
You are one of the leading specialist in FKK on this forum LOL, you know FKK very well even girls name and thank you for your help and support always when I or someone ask for some information, so you are expert LOL.
I use condom for intercourse in FKK, but for some escort that I know, I go bareback.
I never been to AO club, that I was skeptic to go.
Siri,
You are one of the leading specialist in FKK on this forum LOL, you know FKK very well even girls name and thank you for your help and support always when I or someone ask for some information, so you are expert LOL.
I use condom for intercourse in FKK, but for some escort that I know, I go bareback.
I never been to AO club, that I was skeptic to go.I never met any expert on my all over FKK land visits. Those who claimed to be were only strong talkative. If not so many jealous followers in this business, I could share much more interesting information, but so many run to tell to girls rather than fucking them. I just remember impressive Syzygies list about Sharks, Oase or World, now in Thailand.
All For Bb
02-15-20, 18:08
Siri,
You are one of the leading specialist in FKK on this forum LOL, you know FKK very well even girls name and thank you for your help and support always when I or someone ask for some information, so you are expert LOL.
I use condom for intercourse in FKK, but for some escort that I know, I go bareback.
I never been to AO club, that I was skeptic to go."STD's are mostly just propaganda too".
I have fucked tutes for over 30 years. Real numbers: all different girls fucked to date (most of them tutes) : 3512. Fucked without using condom in the past 5 years: 183 (most of them tutes). I have kept a good record. I test many times a year. Always HIV free. Caught gon and clam a few times in the past 5 years, due to bareback tute fucking, treated by antibiotics. These are real numbers. If continue the bareback tute fucking, most likely will catch STD again, not necessary HIV. Should be more careful, but life / joys always come together with risks.
"STD's are mostly just propaganda too".
I have fucked tutes for over 30 years. Real numbers: all different girls fucked to date (most of them tutes) : 3512. Fucked without using condom in the past 5 years: 183 (most of them tutes). I have kept a good record. I test many times a year. Always HIV free. Caught gon and clam a few times in the past 5 years, due to bareback tute fucking, treated by antibiotics. These are real numbers. If continue the bareback tute fucking, most likely will catch STD again, not necessary HIV. Should be more careful, but life / joys always come together with risks.Yeah, it is bit media hyped for publics own safety, we should be careful but not as media says.
I will continue taking some precautions, but as your handle name, I do all for bare back too LOL. I love that raw warm feeling inside stunners pussy, like I am back in the garden of Eden kinda feeling LOL Spiritual energy charge once you put your penis into stunners pussy LOL.
3512 girls? So you keep notes? I suppose you mean total number of rooms then? And not different girls? Or do you mainly never repeat? (My 500+ number is of course different girls. Total rooms is a lot more. Not to mention girlfriends during youth).
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