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Sebastiane
06-17-20, 18:41
So what's the latest on FKK clubs reopening in Germany? Any potential dates?
It will help me decide if I go to Switzerland or Germany first!
Even the masters wrote of their time in the brothels: https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/jun/17/van-gogh-and-gauguin-letter-brothel-visit-sells-210000.
So what's the latest on FKK clubs reopening in Germany? Any potential dates?
It will help me decide if I go to Switzerland or Germany first!Nothing has been said about when FKK can open so it won't be any time soon. I was hoping that they would open at the latest on August 31 when social distancing in Germany was planned to end. That is even more uncertain as it's been agreed today that there will no no large gatherings allowed until after October.
Alessandro527
06-17-20, 19:43
Weird logic here: because some Baltic / Russian girls working for so called top-escort-agencies are charging 250 to 350 Euro pro Hour (and like half of it goes into the pockets of the crooks running those "we treat them like cattle and ship them every 2 weeks to another financial centre-city in Europe" escortsites) the girls working "privately" mostly for sites like KM and Ladies or other in Germany are low-level. Pathetic.
Most of these companies running the show with their "girls on tour" are doubtful to say the least, nearly human trafficking if you look at it more closely but hey, if some non so well-informed people which earn too much money anyway and wish to invest it at their "exclusive" rates-philosophy want to do that, be my guest. It's a free world anyway but don't pretend like it's another level or degrade girls which do it otherwise. Invest 300 Euro into a excellent Club-Girl in Germany trying to survive the current situation and you'll have an amazing 3-hour session making the escort-pony being transported from Brussels to Milan and Zurich and back on her endless tours look like a joke.The difference between top and low class escorts has nothing to do with the agencies. It is a matter of style and personality among stunning beauty and of course behave and manners.
Kel Varnsen
06-17-20, 20:21
So what's the latest on FKK clubs reopening in Germany? Any potential dates?
It will help me decide if I go to Switzerland or Germany first!I'm not sure if this document will be continuously updated, but here you can find a nice (or depressing) overview of the status in the different federal states as of Monday this week:
https://www.donacarmen.de/wp-content/uploads/Prostitution-und-Corona-Stand-15.06.2020-2.pdf
So what's the latest on FKK clubs reopening in Germany? Any potential dates?
It will help me decide if I go to Switzerland or Germany first!You can go to Globe or Amesia or Aphro or Freubad or Swiss or History or Zeus on Friday, or Austria on beginning of July, or look at uglies on Kaufmich or Ladies. De, or wait for Germany when Germans who are in panic with full balls don't know. Cleverness is ability to adapt.
From my little weekly experience with escorts and FKK girls, when I can claim to be beauties specialist in brothels, but really not many FKK girls, even at Globe, can t compete for look with my standard for escorts, even found some girls who could for look and level in bed. Had a wow German model type escort in Germany, discovered at Vertigo on December 2017, just exceptional, my highest performer woman in my whole life, but so jealous to become mad, also Sam on 2014 and Gigi on 2018 , who were escorting outside GT, but I m more a Russians specialist and my game is when I find a attractive one, to meet her out of agency after discovering each other, to visit Paris, or Milano before, to go to restaurant, to buy her a perfume or gift for child and usually 200/250 for about 5/6 hours spent with the escort and they often ask me to repeat, sending me when they will arrive in Paris, less expensive than FKK girls with a prettier escort and most often on higher level in bed, but we have our own experiences. I thought escorts working for Amour Russe were kind of forced to get so many clients, sometimes 10 per day and sometimes I met them after their day, but after relaxing, chatting in Russian, so erotic in my ears, a good diner with fish and a cup of champagne, they are usually saying: we go to bed, until 4 am, when they start their day at 11 am. So many Russian nights for less expensive than German brothels, walking in streets with a model on high heels and very short skirt. I remember Ana from Oufa Oural on September 2011, asking me to find toilets for her, so I told her: but when you come back, you give me your pantie, she did and didn't ask me to give her back when we finished. I really regretted superstar Katalina at Globe didn't let me with my full of blood bathrobe after our room, I would have stolen for pillow.
ExpatLover
06-18-20, 01:15
Weird logic here: because some Baltic / Russian girls working for so called top-escort-agencies are charging 250 to 350 Euro pro Hour (and like half of it goes into the pockets of the crooks running those "we treat them like cattle and ship them every 2 weeks to another financial centre-city in Europe" escortsites) the girls working "privately" mostly for sites like KM and Ladies or other in Germany are low-level. Pathetic.
Most of these companies running the show with their "girls on tour" are doubtful to say the least, nearly human trafficking if you look at it more closely but hey, if some non so well-informed people which earn too much money anyway and wish to invest it at their "exclusive" rates-philosophy want to do that, be my guest. It's a free world anyway but don't pretend like it's another level or degrade girls which do it otherwise. Invest 300 Euro into a excellent Club-Girl in Germany trying to survive the current situation and you'll have an amazing 3-hour session making the escort-pony being transported from Brussels to Milan and Zurich and back on her endless tours look like a joke.
In the recent he girls have all the possibilities to get informed about prostitution even a lot of people can support them to find a way out of P6. Most of them are not victims, they just lack of will to build another life, easy money.
From 2010 to 2015 I met 100+ escort mostly in Germany through agencies and also KM or ladies. De. At that time it was possible to find fresh, sexy girls even some of them were real students or had a normal job. Since that time things have changed, mostly always the same girls around, switching from FKK to escort, from London to Dublin, to Paris. A lot of sili, Botox. But hard for me to find real natural, fresh beauties. For me only natural beauty matters, and this is a night mare to find in Europe still possibly in China but also getting hard.
Thanks for the info, will search.
So which site do you recommend for top class escorts in Hessen area?Here are the agencies that are recommended on this forum and elsewhere. BTW, they not top class luxury agencies (the ones that charge at least €400-500 for one or two hours):
1. Skyline Escort (http://skyline-escort.com/).
2. East LadyLuck (https://escort-ladyluck.com/), not sure about this one however).
3. Diva Escort (https://www.diva-escort.de/start-en.html).
4. Kim Escort (https://www.kim-escort.de/).
5. Prive Escort (https://www.prive-escort.de/en/).
6. Diamond Escort (https://diamondescort-frankfurt.de/en/).
7. Candy Escort (https://www.candy-escort.de/).
8. Skyline Affairs (https://skyline-affairs.com/).
This is a message board dedicated to the escort scene in Germany:https://www.mc-escort.de/.
HeyyyyyyPaul
06-18-20, 11:33
Two things:
1. Fewer at ladies. De due to the coronavirus.
2. Kaufmich has plenty of non-Romanian girls. Search the German language forums like LUSTHAUS for each specific city or search them at German sub forum of ISG for reviews.
There are other websites for independents, agencies, and sex establishments.Will do. Thanks for the info.
LeyenLouvain
06-18-20, 12:21
I could add my weekly Romanians at GT, Prestige NeunkirchenIs FKK Neunkirchen the thread for this place? It doesn't seem very popular.
Polyamorist
06-18-20, 22:46
Even the masters wrote of their time in the brothels: https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/jun/17/van-gogh-and-gauguin-letter-brothel-visit-sells-210000.Well spotted Mr Cane. Although the "Grauniad" is not going to give us the juiciest stuff.
All of Van Gogh's girlfriends /"girlfriends" were tutes. He was obsessed with them and brothels. In his admiration for beauty, he reminds me of Sirioja, except crazier.
Van Gogh was great friends with another painter, Gauguin. They both shared an unusually young and beautiful woman called Rachel. But they didn't fight over her: in fact she made them even greater friends. Van Gogh started to transfer some physical affection to Gauguin via Rachel. Weird but you all know the story of how Van Gogh cut off his ear? He had it delivered to Rachel. Well. OK. The respectable version of the story says he sent it to a non-WG, like he got obsessed with the girl behind the bar or something. In any case Gauguin was going WTF and basically abandoned his friend as a hopeless case. So Van Gogh was left to bounce around various mental hospitals and finally shot himself dead. Gauguin famously went off to the hot South Pacific islands to enjoy the women there, again very young.
This should be a wake-up call for all of us not to take our mongering too seriously. Remember the guy at Paradise Stuttgart who got obsessed with a girl and then murdered her? Kindly desist from that.
More info about Van Gogh: https://www.vangoghstudio.com/van-gogh-and-prostitutes/.
Is FKK Neunkirchen the thread for this place? It doesn't seem very popular.Prestige Neunkirchen was a really high level club, if some remember EMA on end of 2013 , beginning of 2014. Had a really good room with German Romi on my last visit few months ago. Hyper GFE.
So I read with interest that several clubs in Switzerland are now open. And Wellcum (Austria) opens July 1st.
Today 3 of the biggest clubs in Spain (Vive Madrid, Scandalos (open but limited) and Estark 92 have all reopened.
Yet no sign at all of FKKs opening. Why is this? Spain was significantly more affected by Covid-19 than Germany.
Is there pressure in Germany (question probably most directed at our German friends in the FKK forums) to re-open?
I am struggling to understand how other countries are considering the difficult balance between public health and the economy to be slightly now in favour of even allowing sex workers and those who work in sex service establishments to open, but not Germany?
I would be grateful if anybody knows the genuine answers, and whether there is genuine pressure to allow FKKs to re-open, and if not, why not.
If I was an FKK club owner I would be very worried right now. The girls are desperate for work / money and it is obvious that unless there are real signs of opening soon, they will vote with their feet and head to those countries where they can work not just in escort agencies or small private parlours, but now to the big clubs in Spain, enjoy the sunshine, the influx of tourists and customers, instead of hanging around in Germany hoping to get an online punter or two.
What's happening over there please?
Here are the agencies that are recommended on this forum and elsewhere. BTW, they not top class luxury agencies (the ones that charge at least 400-500 for one or two hours):
1. Skyline Escort (http://skyline-escort.com/).
2. East LadyLuck (https://escort-ladyluck.com/), not sure about this one however).
3. Diva Escort (https://www.diva-escort.de/start-en.html).
4. Kim Escort (https://www.kim-escort.de/).
5. Prive Escort (https://www.prive-escort.de/en/).
6. Diamond Escort (https://diamondescort-frankfurt.de/en/).
7. Candy Escort (https://www.candy-escort.de/).
8. Skyline Affairs (https://skyline-affairs.com/).
This is a message board dedicated to the escort scene in Germany:https://www.mc-escort.de/.Correction: Ignore the first link. Might be a fake. LadyLuck is legitimate according to some users here.
Polyamorist
06-19-20, 02:58
So I read with interest that several clubs in Switzerland are now open.
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The girls are desperate for work / money
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What's happening over there please?When FKKs reopened in Switzerland, there was a big rush from guys so it was a sausage fest. I waited a bit and then visited one. It was still a sausage fest. The girls didn't seem "hungry" at all, because they could take their pick of guys. I only got lucky because I happened to know one girl well from before.
I talked to one girl who said she had stayed in Switzerland and lived off her savings for three months and done nothing but watch porn. I talked to another girl who said that just before the lockdown she had escaped to Spain and enjoyed working the whole time. :-) People don't care so much about rules in Spain.
I don't know what's wrong with Germany, that they are taking so long to reopen. But at this stage it's like I don't care any more.
Alessandro527
06-19-20, 05:43
Here are the agencies that are recommended on this forum and elsewhere. BTW, they not top class luxury agencies (the ones that charge at least 400-500 for one or two hours):
1. Skyline Escort (http://skyline-escort.com/).
2. East LadyLuck (https://escort-ladyluck.com/), not sure about this one however).
3. Diva Escort (https://www.diva-escort.de/start-en.html).
4. Kim Escort (https://www.kim-escort.de/).
5. Prive Escort (https://www.prive-escort.de/en/).
6. Diamond Escort (https://diamondescort-frankfurt.de/en/).
7. Candy Escort (https://www.candy-escort.de/).
8. Skyline Affairs (https://skyline-affairs.com/).
This is a message board dedicated to the escort scene in Germany:https://www.mc-escort.de/.Fantastic.
Thanks a lot!
So I read with interest that several clubs in Switzerland are now open. And Wellcum (Austria) opens July 1st.
Today 3 of the biggest clubs in Spain (Vive Madrid, Scandalos (open but limited) and Estark 92 have all reopened.
Yet no sign at all of FKKs opening. Why is this? Spain was significantly more affected by Covid-19 than Germany.
Is there pressure in Germany (question probably most directed at our German friends in the FKK forums) to re-open?
I am struggling to understand how other countries are considering the difficult balance between public health and the economy to be slightly now in favour of even allowing sex workers and those who work in sex service establishments to open, but not Germany?
I would be grateful if anybody knows the genuine answers, and whether there is genuine pressure to allow FKKs to re-open, and if not, why not.Germans are very conservative and logical. FKKs and clubs present a high risk. As long as public pressure is low, they will do the right thing. That is keep the clubs closed.
Alessandro527
06-19-20, 06:01
So I read with interest that several clubs in Switzerland are now open. And Wellcum (Austria) opens July 1st.
Today 3 of the biggest clubs in Spain (Vive Madrid, Scandalos (open but limited) and Estark 92 have all reopened.
Yet no sign at all of FKKs opening. Why is this? Spain was significantly more affected by Covid-19 than Germany.
Is there pressure in Germany (question probably most directed at our German friends in the FKK forums) to re-open?
I am struggling to understand how other countries are considering the difficult balance between public health and the economy to be slightly now in favour of even allowing sex workers and those who work in sex service establishments to open, but not Germany?
I would be grateful if anybody knows the genuine answers, and whether there is genuine pressure to allow FKKs to re-open, and if not, why not.
If I was an FKK club owner I would be very worried right now. The girls are desperate for work / money and it is obvious that unless there are real signs of opening soon, they will vote with their feet and head to those countries where they can work not just in escort agencies or small private parlours, but now to the big clubs in Spain, enjoy the sunshine, the influx of tourists and customers, instead of hanging around in Germany hoping to get an online punter or two.
What's happening over there please?Switzerland and Austria have been less affected from covid. In Spain I can guess that these clubs are not considered officially as brothels like the German FKK clubs are. I believe Germany has a serious problem with FKK because there is a huge number of them all around Germany, they are not limited like other 2 countries. So if they suddenly all open and all masses join there will be a much higher risk of virus spreading very fast. Maybe they decide to open a limited number of clubs with limitation of hours to stay but this would lead to other problems. I also believe that these clubs don't affect the German economy at all so it is not about a health-economy there unlike other countries.
So I read with interest that several clubs in Switzerland are now open. And Wellcum (Austria) opens July 1st.
Today 3 of the biggest clubs in Spain (Vive Madrid, Scandalos (open but limited) and Estark 92 have all reopened.
Yet no sign at all of FKKs opening. Why is this? Spain was significantly more affected by Covid-19 than Germany.
Is there pressure in Germany (question probably most directed at our German friends in the FKK forums) to re-open?
I am struggling to understand how other countries are considering the difficult balance between public health and the economy to be slightly now in favour of even allowing sex workers and those who work in sex service establishments to open, but not Germany?
I would be grateful if anybody knows the genuine answers, and whether there is genuine pressure to allow FKKs to re-open, and if not, why not.
If I was an FKK club owner I would be very worried right now. The girls are desperate for work / money and it is obvious that unless there are real signs of opening soon, they will vote with their feet and head to those countries where they can work not just in escort agencies or small private parlours, but now to the big clubs in Spain, enjoy the sunshine, the influx of tourists and customers, instead of hanging around in Germany hoping to get an online punter or two.
What's happening over there please?You have to appreciate German culture and the way they think to understand the difference between say, Spain vs. Germany. Germany is a country of law and order. Germans are very clinical in the way they approach rules and regulations. Little room for variance. FKKs are seen as the highest risk businesses for Covid-19 transmission and are likely to be among the last allowed by the German authorities to re-open. Spain is looser with rules and compliance. You also have more choices in Spain. More apartment or mansion girls and bordellos in Spain that don't have anywhere close to the density of FKKs in Germany and so are seen as lower risk.
Christian G
06-19-20, 08:58
So I read with interest that several clubs in Switzerland are now open. And Wellcum (Austria) opens July 1st.
Today 3 of the biggest clubs in Spain (Vive Madrid, Scandalos (open but limited) and Estark 92 have all reopened.
Yet no sign at all of FKKs opening. Why is this? Spain was significantly more affected by Covid-19 than Germany.
Is there pressure in Germany (question probably most directed at our German friends in the FKK forums) to re-open?
I am struggling to understand how other countries are considering the difficult balance between public health and the economy to be slightly now in favor of even allowing sex workers and those who work in sex service establishments to open, but not Germany?
I would be grateful if anybody knows the genuine answers, and whether there is genuine pressure to allow FKKs to re-open, and if not, why not.
If I was an FKK club owner I would be very worried right now. The girls are desperate for work/money and it is obvious that unless there are real signs of opening soon, they will vote with their feet and head to those countries where they can work not just in escort agencies or small private parlors, but now to the big clubs in Spain, enjoy the sunshine, the influx of tourists and customers, instead of hanging around in Germany hoping to get an online punter or two.
What's happening over there, please?In Swiss some FKK reopened on 6th June, today is the opening day for Globe and I think all the FKKs are now open.
In Austria, all brothels and FKK will reopen on 1st July, not only Wellcum.
Small brothels in Madrid like Placer Madrid and Palacio del Placer opened in early June, and they offer all the services (BBBJ CIM ANAL) same before but no FK. But borders are still closed and will re-open on 21st June.
Germany still have new outbreaks and quarantines https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-germany-imposes-quarantines-to-counter-fresh-outbreaks/a-53852173.
You have to appreciate German culture and the way they think to understand the difference between say, Spain vs. Germany. Germany is a country of law and order. Germans are very clinical in the way they approach rules and regulations. Little room for variance. FKKs are seen as the highest risk businesses for Covid-19 transmission and are likely to be among the last allowed by the German authorities to re-open. Spain is looser with rules and compliance. You also have more choices in Spain. More apartment or mansion girls and bordellos in Spain that don't have anywhere close to the density of FKKs in Germany and so are seen as lower risk.But are Germans so different than Zurich German Swiss? When they opened in Zurich. And what about so risky AO RTC keeping on with Germans returning to wife. But I think Germany make the good choice to avoid to become brothels land virus playfield, when even in Western Europe, virus is still in the place, even killing less than when was 10 degrees. But let s see on Autumn, when we can see Pekin, Brazil, South Africa.
This should be a wake-up call for all of us not to take our mongering too seriously. Remember the guy at Paradise Stuttgart who got obsessed with a girl and then murdered her? Kindly desist from that.Interesting info about Van Gogh. Everyone should monitor their mental health. Recently read this article about Romanian orphans and whether they actually ever reach even keel as adults. Here is some historical backdrop:
In 1990, the outside world discovered his network of child gulags, in which an estimated 170,000 abandoned infants, children, and teens were being raised. Believing that a larger population would beef up Romanias economy, Ceaucescu had curtailed contraception and abortion, imposed tax penalties on people who were childless, and celebrated as heroine mothers women who gave birth to 10 or more. Parents who couldnt possibly handle another baby might call their new arrival Ceauşescus child, as in Let him raise it. To house a generation of unwanted or unaffordable children, Ceauşescu ordered the construction or conversion of hundreds of structures around the country. Signs displayed the slogan: the state can take better care of your child than you can.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/07/can-an-unloved-child-learn-to-love/612253/
The psychologists found that being neglected, abandoned, and lack of human interaction during child development can result in adults that are not pleasant to be around and angry at the world. If the isolation is extreme it can result in cognitive impairment and individuals that cannot function in society or individuals with limited empathy and lack of guilt. The Romanian institutionalized orphans represent the most extreme end of the spectrum. People who come from broken homes (parents were incarcerated or addicted to drugs) are also on this spectrum. Observing some mongers, there are definitely some that fall under this spectrum as well. As do many WGs who come from poor RO villages. For the RO WGs who might have endured abuse as children, perhaps this bit of advice from the article is more applicable to the mongers who wish to rescue them:
They thought loving, caring families could heal these kids. I warned them: These kids are going to push you to the breaking point. Get trained to work with special-needs children. Keep their bedrooms spare and simple. Instead of I love you, just tell them, You are safe. But most new or prospective parents couldnt bear to hear it, and the adoption agencies that set up shop overnight in Romania werent in the business of delivering such dire messages. I got a lot of hate mail, says Federici, who is fast-talking and blunt, with a long face and a thatch of shiny black hair. Youre cold! They need love! Theyve got to be hugged. But the former marine, once widely accused of being too pessimistic about the kids futures, is now considered prescient.
...................This should be a wake-up call for all of us not to take our mongering too seriously. Remember the guy at Paradise Stuttgart who got obsessed with a girl and then murdered her? Kindly desist from that......Anyone remember some years ago the guy at Sharks who spent a ton of money on a girl in the club over a period of time and it did not turn out as he wanted and he released a chemical in the club?
Well spotted Mr Cane. Although the "Grauniad" is not going to give us the juiciest stuff.
All of Van Gogh's girlfriends /"girlfriends" were tutes. He was obsessed with them and brothels. In his admiration for beauty, he reminds me of Sirioja, except crazier.
Van Gogh was great friends with another painter, Gauguin. They both shared an unusually young and beautiful woman called Rachel. But they didn't fight over her: in fact she made them even greater friends. Van Gogh started to transfer some physical affection to Gauguin via Rachel. Weird but you all know the story of how Van Gogh cut off his ear? He had it delivered to Rachel. Well. OK. The respectable version of the story says he sent it to a non-WG, like he got obsessed with the girl behind the bar or something. In any case Gauguin was going WTF and basically abandoned his friend as a hopeless case. So Van Gogh was left to bounce around various mental hospitals and finally shot himself dead. Gauguin famously went off to the hot South Pacific islands to enjoy the women there, again very young.
This should be a wake-up call for all of us not to take our mongering too seriously. Remember the guy at Paradise Stuttgart who got obsessed with a girl and then murdered her? Kindly desist from that.
More info about Van Gogh: https://www.vangoghstudio.com/van-gogh-and-prostitutes/.Nice story!
Sancho Panza
06-19-20, 18:52
Anyone remember some years ago the guy at Sharks who spent a ton of money on a girl in the club over a period of time and it did not turn out as he wanted and he released a chemical in the club?Everybody at Sharks told me it was some crazy guy from London, sort of Asian looking.
Pahllus Maximus
06-19-20, 20:48
The BBC did a documentary "Mega brothel" that did a documentary on the the inside of the Paradise group, with numbers and interviewing the owners, managers, girls and customers. Josie, who starred, is very sweet and pretty funny, says she did about 15,000 customers over 8 years that is about right. Say 7 customers a day, 6 days a week = 42 a week. Say they work 48 weeks in a year: 2016 customers per annum.
Lets say they work 19-30,11 years = 22,176.
A typical Boeing 747-8 jet holds roughly 450, a 777 about 370. An Airbus A380 roughly 600. So taking the median of 450, she has serviced the equivalent of 33 passenger plane loads of horny guys and about 75 litres of cum. The myth is that they easily make EUR 5000+ a week. That is recruitment speil. Most do not. A lot of their time is spent sitting around bored in a dark, smokey place and not earning. They can go immediately again after being screwed, but the male refractory period works agaisnt them, and it gets longer after age 40 which is probably a heavy monger demographic. So they build that into their price structure as well as entry costs, tax, makeup, healthcare, condoms and accomodation.
Nor do they make that much money. At an FKK, they also have to pay to get in, plus board, and a flat rate of EUR20 in tax, about EUR120 a day, and they average 7 guys at EUR65 a client, that is about EUR 335 a day take home pay for 12 hours work, or about EUR27.91 an hour tax free. Lets suppose it is a stunner who get EUR100 per client and does 10 clients. She makes EUR880 net for 12 hours, about EUR73 an hour. It is hard physical and mental work being a sex toy and catering to guys fantasies and having to act all the time and seem sexy. It also forecloses many career options and often the ability to form a relationship or snag a husband and start a family. If I go to an FKK, the damage is always at least EUR300,80 to get in and roughly EUR 220 over 3 girls over 8-9 hours. The FF takes about a quarter from us and the girls. With roughly 100 people, that's about EUR8 k a day gross rent.
Sure this is hugely variable depending upon looks, demand, the economy and so on, the point is that their charms do not afford them EUR 5000+ a week and life of luxury, and the psychological costs of opeining their holy of holies for public use of some repulsive toads who want to slobber over them is pretty gross.
They earn their money and deserve our respect. When you shell out next time, keep that in mind, and that they give up their youth and beauty for what is not some astronomical sum. It only works if they go back home to some rural slum and are comparatively cashed up, but they will carry the scarlett letter syndrome as a further price.
The BBC did a documentary "Mega brothel" that did a documentary on the the inside of the Paradise group, with numbers and interviewing the owners, managers, girls and customers. Josie, who starred, is very sweet and pretty funny, says she did about 15,000 customers over 8 years that is about right. Say 7 customers a day, 6 days a week = 42 a week. Say they work 48 weeks in a year: 2016 customers per annum...............
.................They earn their money and deserve our respect. When you shell out next time, keep that in mind, and that they give up their youth and beauty for what is not some astronomical sum. It only works if they go back home to some rural slum and are comparatively cashed up, but they will carry the scarlett letter syndrome as a further price.Anybody watch Downton Abbey, the episode where the maid was fired because she got pregnant; she had no choice but to turn to prostitution to feed her child. That sort of thing makes one rethink the hobby.
Mongerer88
06-19-20, 21:58
Anybody watch Downton Abbey, the episode where the maid was fired because she got pregnant; she had no choice but to turn to prostitution to feed her child. That sort of thing makes one rethink the hobby.Surely it would not have been enjoyable to watch episodes after that one if the child did indeed slowly starve to death while she was unable to find work due to prejudice?
LeyenLouvain
06-19-20, 22:07
Anybody watch Downton Abbey, the episode where the maid was fired because she got pregnant; she had no choice but to turn to prostitution to feed her child. That sort of thing makes one rethink the hobby.It makes me rethink my views on state benefits. A unemployed single mum in Scandinavia doesn't have to worry about anything. Whereas her counterpart in Colombia has no choice but to find some way of making money. Romania I guess is somewhere in between.
Anybody watch Downton Abbey, the episode where the maid was fired because she got pregnant; she had no choice but to turn to prostitution to feed her child. That sort of thing makes one rethink the hobby.I think it is a double edged sword really.
When it is the only way out of misery, it is not good. Something which can also be said about working at McDonalds, WalMart or god forbid FoxConn where people choose death and jump out the window instead of continuing to work! Prostitution is also bad if or when society shuts you out when finding out what you are doing. Just because there is a dogma against prostitution. So the repercussions are not good. And these two things are usually ingrained in the bad image of p6.
But,
The reason for why society has this dogma against prostitution may not be founded in a 21st Century liberal modern thought. It is most probably related to guys from ages past wanting their wife to have sex for the first time ever with them. Otherwise, she would have been worn out before they even met each other. And thus the idea arise that she would perhaps not love him as much because sex would not be as good for her. Her sensation would be kinda ruined. Maybe he'd also have a smaller dick? And even such, the same reason for why we have racism and other conflicts we may not be so proud of even today, may just also be the cause of why many people, and society from ages past has deemed prostitution to be bad. Simply because of bigotry, jealousy, selfishness and even racism. So by adhering to P6 as a hobby is almost like protesting for black lives matters. Just that here we are protesting for 'pussy for all matters', or some other slogan. But the liberal nature of it stands equally strong!
Plus,
Prostitution is all natural, and all mamals do it. And if you look at the only reason why not to do it, which is transmission of disease, such as covid-19, then today there are usually things we can do about that too.
So yeah, don't forget to consider Foxconn the next time you buy an apple product. Or a sony product, or anything they produce!
Once upon a time (10 years ago soon), when I was in Thailand. I asked a girl I barfined from Rainbow four.
"What do you think about the job you do?
She turns towards me, her eyes grows big, and she hugs me for 20 seconds while telling me how much better it is compared to her former job. Which was at a textile factory where she hardly made anything! Now she made over 1000 times more money, and it was far far less stressful. She hated her manager at the textile factory. While the mamasan at the gogo bar was alright.
So the next time you buy some clothing anywhere in the world, think about this! Long and hard!
I suppose all this discussion should be about is how independent the girls are. And the same goes for any worker in any job anywhere in the world. Not about how good or bad p6 is. Because it isn't bad in and of itself. People are bad, and bigotry is bad.
Anybody watch Downton Abbey, the episode where the maid was fired because she got pregnant; she had no choice but to turn to prostitution to feed her child. That sort of thing makes one rethink the hobby.I met many Romanian little mum, also some Russian escorts little mum, they are good for me, because more woman, sweet because used to be for their child, so surprised to be treated like a woman, knowing better their body than little girls robots. They come to this business when father run away, usually when they tell they are pregnant, to feed child and mother who take care of child while they are fucked. When I ask them what happened, they usually answer they prefer to live without father and they seem surprised when I ask if father come to see child, many don't. We don t all have same level for value. I think not so easy to be a girl in Romania, compare to some lazy kings, even some Romanians surprised me at work, very courageous under virus, happy they can work to get money as they say, but they impressed me and tell me funny stories.
So by adhering to P6 as a hobby is almost like protesting for black lives matters. Just that here we are protesting for 'pussy for all matters', or some other slogan. But the liberal nature of it stands equally strong!Tute lives matter! LOL!
Fantastic.
Thanks a lot!No problem. Keep in mind that I'm far from an expert on Frankfurt scene. There are other agencies that others can chime in.
Polyamorist
06-20-20, 02:58
Salaam Pistons and Phallus.
Indeed many of the problems attributed to prostitution are really problems with the way work is organized in the world in general.
The biggest problem is the role of the pimp, or middleman organization, in any industry. Their mandate is to keep the people doing the actual work under tight control, and squeeze the maximum out of them while paying them just the minimum that will persuade them to stay in the job. In this mode of work they have no way of improving their circumstances in a meaningful way, and consequently no motivation to improve their skills -- which of course ends up being bad for the customer side too. Meanwhile Big Pimp just keeps optimizing its returns: driving out competitors, creating artificial shortages, and many other evils.
Phallus: I have seen a few documentaries as well, and one thing I have noticed is that I keep hearing girls tell other girls that their appearance doesn't matter. But unfortunately in this job, in many places (not all), looks has a massive impact. Perhaps attitude is an equally strong factor, but looks is certainly one too. So it is probably not for all.
But I have also spoken to HR recruitment personnel from TV stations and banks to law firms with over 300 employees, and they usually tell me they don't care rats ass about grades. They usually look at what they call "presence", or "character". Or if you get to know these HR people even better, they will admit that in fact it is all about good looks.
Because you have to sell a product. To someone. To some other stakeholder. No matter who. Because all people, in all life situations are bigots. And if you don't play by the rules, you don't make money. That is how cruel life can be. But it is not something you only find in p6.
Salaam Pistons and Phallus.
Indeed many of the problems attributed to prostitution are really problems with the way work is organized in the world in general.
The biggest problem is the role of the pimp, or middleman organization, in any industry. Their mandate is to keep the people doing the actual work under tight control, and squeeze the maximum out of them while paying them just the minimum that will persuade them to stay in the job. In this mode of work they have no way of improving their circumstances in a meaningful way, and consequently no motivation to improve their skills -- which of course ends up being bad for the customer side too. Meanwhile Big Pimp just keeps optimizing its returns: driving out competitors, creating artificial shortages, and many other evils.Well said. Like the girl who returned to the FKK because her 'boyfriend' crashed his Audi.
PaulInZurich
06-20-20, 10:34
The biggest problem is the role of the pimp, or middleman organization, in any industry. Their mandate is to keep the people doing the actual work under tight control, and squeeze the maximum out of them while paying them just the minimum that will persuade them to stay in the job. .If we think only about the girls in FKKs, they would never _need_ a pimp, like maybe in the case of escorting. The girls can live on premise or close by, the club takes care about the business of bringing clients over, ensures that the girls are paid and take care of weird or violent clients.
The question is, how do the clubs get new girls without pimps? Clubs can't advertise in Romania, it would be considered pimping.
I have seen videochat studio advertisements in Romania, but that's it.
Salaam Pistons and Phallus.
Indeed many of the problems attributed to prostitution are really problems with the way work is organized in the world in general.
The biggest problem is the role of the pimp, or middleman organization, in any industry. Their mandate is to keep the people doing the actual work under tight control, and squeeze the maximum out of them while paying them just the minimum that will persuade them to stay in the job. In this mode of work they have no way of improving their circumstances in a meaningful way, and consequently no motivation to improve their skills -- which of course ends up being bad for the customer side too. Meanwhile Big Pimp just keeps optimizing its returns: driving out competitors, creating artificial shortages, and many other evils.I would say there is some kind of pimp or pimp like platform behind Romanian masses in German FKK. I am not biggest fan of Romanian prostitutes, but I do appreciate that pimp or pimp like platform sent these Romanian girls into German FKK for our pleasure. I have amazing memories with most of them.
Additionally, my fav being German girls in FKK, I did notice some of them have pimp or pimp like figure too, so I also thank these German pimp for sending these girls into FKK for our pleasure. Yes, some pimps mess up their girls with surgeries and tattoos like famous now long gone Andel girls, but many of these girls when they began were beautiful without too big fake tits and paints on their body, so that is when mongers who like natural body must enjoy these girls.
Like all things in life, Pimp existence in German FKK has its pros and cons, but in the end, more girls sent in FKK, better selections we have to choose from. I do agree that those with pimp tend to hold back service if you are standard 30 min standard rate monger, but if you go for one hour session with bit of charm and good manner, but with clear communication of what you want, these girls always gives you outstanding service for me need, which is hardcore dirty sex, so for me, I appreciate existence of Pimps in FKK. They may not be perfect humans, but we mongers are the demand side, so we are not in position to criticize one of our main supplier.
Also, it is back in early 2010's when pimp culture was rather open and big in FKK was when the line up had most stunners. I do miss line up of these early years, but like a lot of things in life. It has up and down, so I am hopeful that there will be peak of stunner wave coming up in future, sooner or later.
Most of us experienced mongers are already at privileged position of fucking so many different kind of beautiful girls from around world in their mouth, pussy and anal, even taking two at the same time for many years. Whether it is pimp or some kind of related platform or girls just walking in on their own to FKK, I am glad that supplier side is doing rather good job for our pleasure, giving us so much memories that echoes in eternity in our memory palace. Any supplier is welcome for me. I think without them, there would be much less girls including Romanians and my favorite germans.
Gratitude to all stakeholders of FKK life cycle and FKK food chain, without any of them including us mongers, this dream land would have been not possible.
Long live FKK culture that we love to indulge ourselves into!
https://www.waz.de/staedte/oberhausen/polizei-oberhausen-ermittelt-wegen-illegaler-prostitution-id229140762.html
Just found that Article.
................Prostitution is all natural, and all mamals do it................All mammals have sex but do not indulge in prostitution. During a period I lived in the Caribbean I owned a male dog. It disappeared from home and returned a couple weeks later with a female dog both of which lived on my premises which was not fenced. When she was in heat she would mate only with my dog and when other dogs from the neighborhood came and tried to get some action she would snarl at them and if things became critical she would go under the car. Unfortunately she was knocked down by a car and killed and my dog died soon after. I think I've digressed a little from what I wanted to say but I know of no instance in mammals where a particular male animal can exchange something for mating. The only instance I have come across was in a BBC video where male penguins gave female penguins stones to build their nests in exchange for sex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgAim926s0
Mongerer88
06-20-20, 15:42
All mammals have sex but do not indulge in prostitution. During a period I lived in the Caribbean I owned a male dog. It disappeared from home and returned a couple weeks later with a female dog both of which lived on my premises which was not fenced. When she was in heat she would mate only with my dog and when other dogs from the neighborhood came and tried to get some action she would snarl at them and if things became critical she would go under the car. Unfortunately she was knocked down by a car and killed and my dog died soon after. I think I've digressed a little from what I wanted to say but I know of no instance in mammals where a particular male animal can exchange something for mating. The only instance I have come across was in a BBC video where male penguins gave female penguins stones to build their nests in exchange for sex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgAim926s0Monkeys do engage in prostitution when they are forced to use a monetary system. But granted it is not seen in the wild.
https://www.zmescience.com/research/how-scientists-tught-monkeys-the-concept-of-money-not-long-after-the-first-prostitute-monkey-appeared/
The penguins are plagued by a lack of solid providers, a limited supply of providers, and no review system. The female penguin prostitutes are notorious for providing very little sex in exchange for the rocks exchanged by the male penguins who live on the outskirts of the Penguin Colony. One of the worst countries for mongering in Chile, which is near the penguins. Perhaps there is a connection.
The only instance I have come across was in a BBC video where male penguins gave female penguins stones to build their nests in exchange for sex.Thank you for the share, your viewing material proves some sort of payment / exchange of physical item or services is required to proceed with copulation. Human do it all the time.
All mammals have sex but do not indulge in prostitution. During a period I lived in the Caribbean I owned a male dog. It disappeared from home and returned a couple weeks later with a female dog both of which lived on my premises which was not fenced. When she was in heat she would mate only with my dog and when other dogs from the neighborhood came and tried to get some action she would snarl at them and if things became critical she would go under the car. Unfortunately she was knocked down by a car and killed and my dog died soon after. I think I've digressed a little from what I wanted to say but I know of no instance in mammals where a particular male animal can exchange something for mating. The only instance I have come across was in a BBC video where male penguins gave female penguins stones to build their nests in exchange for sex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgAim926s0And 50 more stones for cum in beak.
FC.
The only instance I have come across was in a BBC video where male penguins gave female penguins stones to build their nests in exchange for sex.I found this topic to be interesting, so I did a simple Google search, and this is what I found: https://www.zmescience.com/science/prostitution-animals/.
Well spotted Mr Cane. Although the "Grauniad" is not going to give us the juiciest stuff.
All of Van Gogh's girlfriends /"girlfriends" were tutes. He was obsessed with them and brothels. In his admiration for beauty, he reminds me of Sirioja, except crazier.
Van Gogh was great friends with another painter, Gauguin. They both shared an unusually young and beautiful woman called Rachel. But they didn't fight over her: in fact she made them even greater friends. Van Gogh started to transfer some physical affection to Gauguin via Rachel. Weird but you all know the story of how Van Gogh cut off his ear? He had it delivered to Rachel. Well.I have no talent for painting, but for sure I was made for beauty in everything I do. Rachel and Madeleine are super erotic names, also really erotic to hear women speaking Russian, when Romanian is quite hard language like German, and hearing girls speaking Japanese or Chinese is killing desire sounds, anyway not attracted by Asian girls, even some are pretty like milky skin Chinese.
Pahllus Maximus
06-20-20, 18:57
Salaams Polyamorist!
I will go further. Let's start by junking the pejorative labels and slogans and replacing it with with empirical evidence and functional equivalence. Let the evidence take us to where it leads rather than cherry-picking the evidence to reach a desired result. This is channeling Marx and Engels, but never mind. All societies need some level of government. The USA is far from the popular narrative of capitalism and rugged individualism. It is chock a block with trade protectionism (latest: 5 G and petro-dollars / reserve currency) selective subsidies (corn, ethanol etc) and indeed is the Scandinavia of corporate welfare, free money, bail outs and crony capitalism. Except for the little man. That is called socialism. This farce is perpetuated by not teaching kids how to critically evaluate evidence and become resistant to self-serving BS, and not teaching them math, especially compound interest and how to price stuff and make rational comparisons. As was pointed out here the other day, many of those dependent of health and welfare for the little man are the first to vote against it, substituting slogans against direct economic self-interest and wondering why their town is a rusting hulk full of meth and un / under / employment. The government is privatized. Its goal is managing decline and expectations of the plebs, offering empty words, distractions and nonsense like gender neutral toilets and other useless symbols and illusions over practical take home pay, disposable income and general happiness.
And so it is for P4P. Lots of women -prolly the majority- are exploited in gutting chickens at meat processing plants, Asian factory quasi slave labor, cleaning, housemaids, toiling in fields, and much more. Women tend to be more compliant to rules. That is why many exploitative industries are "pink collar" we are not allowed to admit. These factors destroy their health, youth, opportunities and happiness; the pay is crap and they have no security of income or say over the workplace, and often no benefits, such as the gig economy. Others work in the household for no pay at all (excluding kept women/trophy wives). They are effectively organic robots grudgingly fed the minimum to survive. Then the government takes it cut and offers little to nothing in return, certainly not access to policy making. Finally, they are fired the second they get sick, old or fall behind some KPI metric and left without income. As for getting genuine thanks from their employer. Or enslaver. Hah hah. The feminist creed fails to weigh the credible, accessible economic alternatives. Most women are not educated socially mobile feminist studies lecturers on $USD100 k plus. What is the economic demographic of the feminist protestors against P4 P or Nordic models? Most will probably be at least comfortably well off and from stable families. Protesting on moral issues is a luxury sport.
Factoring that in, P4 P placed into a rational perspective is not so bad, and clearly the number of women joining it speaks volumes: they have done the calculation over the alternatives. What I was surprised to learn is that all that hard work and long hours only translates into living wage, roughly EUR30-50 per hour when all input costs (including time sitting around on the cab rank) are factored it. On the other hand, getting up early, commuting, working long and hard hours in an insecure job with constant psychological terror of KPI scoreboards, outsourcing and automation and ever reduced compensation is hardly fun either. So don't feel bad. P4 P offers options, just as washing dishes or working on an assembly line. At least the girls at FKK's don't jump out of windows like at Foxconn and sweat shops in China. They also get more autonomy compared ting employee KR6728 D at station BV106 doing repetitive task AA601 for 12 hours a day, replete with KPI nag meters that are the equivalent of the drom in a Roman galley ship or the lash. It is still psychological terror.
So yeah, Polyamorist is right. Society is highly exploitative and lacks empathy. Sounds like the book "the selfish gene" the Wall Street boys worship to justify their input cost subsidized, protected from bad bets, little or no tax, and restricted entry to competition positions that is the opposite of their claimed ideology and smugness. This seems to overlap with the Nordic model advocates from their comfy and protected lifestyles that many of their sisters do not enjoy.
Anyone remember some years ago the guy at Sharks who spent a ton of money on a girl in the club over a period of time and it did not turn out as he wanted and he released a chemical in the club?
Everybody at Sharks told me it was some crazy guy from London, sort of Asian looking.Very interesting posts. Does anyone know any more about this incident in Sharks?
And 50 more stones for cum in beak.
FC.Hahahaha, they always say that prostitution is usually accompanied by criminal activity. This horny penguin was stealing stones from other penguins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw7LT2imcbE
Pahllus Maximus
06-21-20, 23:46
Salaams again Polyamorist and Siroja and Mr Cane (and Pistons).
Van Gogh probably would not have suffered so cruelly if FKK's were around. Being horny in the male warps behavior and makes us weird around women, confusing lust with emotions. Rachel is a sexy name, but don't forget Lilith from Babylonian times, the original temptress along with Eve. Anna is also sweet. The wonder on women is that there are so many beauties: Russian, Moroccan, Asian, African and more. A good old saucy English tart is pretty wild too. Much of sex is between the ears, our perceptions, accents, tone of voice, full lips, nice breasts, skin. Ahhhh. That is what this hobby is about. Savoring life itself in the infinitesimal period we strut about this speck of a planet in a vast universe (s).
Let's not forget Odysseus saving himself from the charms of Aglaopheme and Thelxiepeia and her friends as he sailed between Scylla and Charybdis. Luckily he knew their charms were an illusion, and sharp beaks awaited to have him join the bones of other males beguiled by feminine charms.
FKK's are a unique institution, the functional equivalent once only for royalty. Here we get to sample luscious young women, genuine NSA fun. My only wish would be a FKK on the ski slopes in Italy with a revolving 24 hour pass and lady shift catering to the mornings, a morning BJ, lunch warm up and after dinner leisurely time debauchery, a berry grappe or amaro nonino in fine glassware, perhaps in a spa with a lovely watching the snow fall. Who else here is into the best life has to offer?
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All mammals have sex but do not indulge in prostitution. During a period I lived in the Caribbean I owned a male dog. It disappeared from home and returned a couple weeks later with a female dog both of which lived on my premises which was not fenced. When she was in heat she would mate only with my dog and when other dogs from the neighborhood came and tried to get some action she would snarl at them and if things became critical she would go under the car. Unfortunately she was knocked down by a car and killed and my dog died soon after. I think I've digressed a little from what I wanted to say but I know of no instance in mammals where a particular male animal can exchange something for mating. The only instance I have come across was in a BBC video where male penguins gave female penguins stones to build their nests in exchange for sex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgAim926s0I don't think you 'need to come across it' for it to be a fact.
One of the most well known examples are the dirt, or dung beetle, where the males pay the females with balls of shit in order to have sex. Shit is valuable because it contains nutrients otherwise hard to come by on the bottom of the jungle.
Scientists thought some birds were the species who did the least amount of p6. But DNA studies showed that even among the most faithful of birds, over 60% were someone elses. And they trade food and resources like all others of course.
I don't think you 'need to come across it' for it to be a fact.
One of the most well known examples are the dirt, or dung beetle, where the males pay the females with balls of shit in order to have sex. Shit is valuable because it contains nutrients otherwise hard to come by on the bottom of the jungle.
Scientists thought some birds were the species who did the least amount of p6. But DNA studies showed that even among the most faithful of birds, over 60% were someone elses. And they trade food and resources like all others of course.And we humans are complicated enough to use printed papers that we printed LOL.
And we humans are complicated enough to use printed papers that we printed LOL.The notes are just simpler when person be only wants what person J produces, and not what person K or see has.
But they really are a dinosaur technology now that we can make blockchain currencies.
And the central bankers are slow, while the private bankers might be lobbying against it too. Because with a good blockchain crypto currency, there are essentially 0 need for a private bank. We would only need a central bank. And even the central bank can cut jobs.
Most of the market traders would also collapse, as that would also be digitalized through blockchain technology. And main street would be directing investments through crowdfunding, or crowdsoursing (hobby), which is a far superior market driven approach than the top down investment system we have today. Which is also a dinosaur system.
But lazy people in power positions are scared of change, and some are half senile. Or they don't understand the technology, or want it cause of some lack of corruption power it may include.
The notes are just simpler when person be only wants what person J produces, and not what person K or see has.
But they really are a dinosaur technology now that we can make blockchain currencies.
And the central bankers are slow, while the private bankers might be lobbying against it too. Because with a good blockchain crypto currency, there are essentially 0 need for a private bank. We would only need a central bank. And even the central bank can cut jobs.
Most of the market traders would also collapse, as that would also be digitalized through blockchain technology. And main street would be directing investments through crowdfunding, or crowdsoursing (hobby), which is a far superior market driven approach than the top down investment system we have today. Which is also a dinosaur system.
But lazy people in power positions are scared of change, and some are half senile. Or they don't understand the technology, or want it cause of some lack of corruption power it may include.Like the famous saying, "Corruption is why we win."
The notes are just simpler when person be only wants what person J produces, and not what person K or see has.
But they really are a dinosaur technology now that we can make blockchain currencies.
And the central bankers are slow, while the private bankers might be lobbying against it too. Because with a good blockchain crypto currency, there are essentially 0 need for a private bank. We would only need a central bank. And even the central bank can cut jobs.
Most of the market traders would also collapse, as that would also be digitalized through blockchain technology. And main street would be directing investments through crowdfunding, or crowdsoursing (hobby), which is a far superior market driven approach than the top down investment system we have today. Which is also a dinosaur system.
But lazy people in power positions are scared of change, and some are half senile. Or they don't understand the technology, or want it cause of some lack of corruption power it may include.True, but I ask this question in all seriousness: What happens to blockchain when the electric grid collapses?
True, but I ask this question in all seriousness: What happens to blockchain when the electric grid collapses?Japan has a double electric grid.
Also, Nikola Tesla was onto something, although this is a bit further into the future, and will first be used for G7 (2040's) or G8 (2050's) data transfers:
https://vizivtechnologies.com/about/our-mission-values/
This is basically a company started by former heads of US military departments, former energy companies and secret divisions of the US government closely linked to the units claimed to have stolen Nikola Tesla's research paper as soon as he died.
They use what is known as the zenneck surface wave to transmit power from and to anywhere in the world. It is an electromagnetic wave enclosing the earth, with tremendous potential.
This is what Tesla was working on, and what this company known as Viziv Technologies now claim to be working on. Although they already have had the technology for decades, and are now just acting as if it is a new idea. Still, we won't get it before in 2 or 3 decades. But from then, it will be slowly ramped up.
Translation: The use for a grid at all is a farse, and total waste of resources. Again, corruption and control of power and money is what has lead us here, and probably what made someone also kill Nikola. Since he wanted to release this for free. Imagine free energy!
They need those dollars and you really can't restrict families to be this long apart. But the article says otherwise.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/world/europe/coronavirus-EU-American-travel-ban.html
They need those dollars and you really can't restrict families to be this long apart. But the article says otherwise.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/world/europe/coronavirus-EU-American-travel-ban.htmlAs far as I know, many nations are opening borders as summer seasons are on the way to boost declined hospitality industry.
It is not EU, but I think Turkey just opened its borders to most or all tourists including tourists from USA.
Japan has a double electric grid.
Also, Nikola Tesla was onto something, although this is a bit further into the future, and will first be used for G7 (2040's) or G8 (2050's) data transfers:
https://vizivtechnologies.com/about/our-mission-values/
This is basically a company started by former heads of US military departments, former energy companies and secret divisions of the US government closely linked to the units claimed to have stolen Nikola Tesla's research paper as soon as he died.This pandemic may help bitcoin industry to thrive, but I prefer paper currencies. Old school, you know.
I think this digital currencies make people spend more easily than paper currencies due to more convenience of actual paying action.
Europe does not need dollars that much. Europe will decide on the basis of cases per million. Simple unbiased yardstick.
I still feel they'll succumb under pressue and allow US citizens in.
No way! They don't allow US salmonella loaded chicken into the trading block and they don't need the few American tourists.
I still feel they'll succumb under pressue and allow US citizens in.
No way! They don't allow US salmonella loaded chicken into the trading block and they don't need the few American tourists.Germany does not allow US GMO food into their country. They don't play. They won't allow Americans in until we get our act together and significantly reduce infections. With infections increasing rather than decreasing I will have to continue banging these escorts who I would have avoided if I saw them in an FKK and I'm paying more to boot.
With infections increasing rather than decreasing I will have to continue banging these escorts who I would have avoided if I saw them in an FKK and I'm paying more to boot.I'm saving my money and building up a nice war chest for when it's feasible to return to my favorite P4P stomping grounds. Oh, and just dreaming of all of those pretty girl butt holes just waiting for me to re-appear again with my fists full of euros for the taking!
Club in Holland will re-open on July 1st. Since there is only one saunaclub, and this is few kilometers from German (and Belgian) border, it probable will be full of men next week!
BigBuddy69
06-24-20, 21:27
The funny thing is that it will be full with men who constantly talk shit about it on the internet but since it's the only open club and they have a terrible sex addiction issue, they'll rush to the club (and then they'll talk shit about it or maybe they'll say that it changed a lot and now it's a perfectly fine place).
Club in Holland will re-open on July 1st. Since there is only one saunaclub, and this is few kilometers from German (and Belgian) border, it probable will be full of men next week!For sure, Germans on border will move to empty balls, maybe also some NRW WGs looking for business, but would prefer so much for YY. Best for me at 6 ens are foods and drinks. Wait and see if will really open. Finca didn't.
Europe does not need dollars that much. Europe will decide on the basis of cases per million. Simple unbiased yardstick.Europe need USD and we even know we don't have so big sanitary risks from US, much more from Asia, but do you think Trump is a good, reliable ambassador for you, when he is so crazy. But Europe have to protect itself when we had around 200 000 deaths, too many, and Germany is even in trouble in some parts now.
LeyenLouvain
06-25-20, 00:47
Best for me at 6 ens are foods and drinksAny examples of food?
Earlier reports seemed to indicate that the food was just at the standard FKK level.
What is making me laugh is guys telling others have addiction because they go more often than them, but they don't know the medical meaning of addiction, and if they could afford, if they had enough money, they would also go more often. I know guys who are in brothels 6 days per week, sometimes paying for 3 Swiss clubs in a day, and not the faintest problem for me. On 2016 golden year, I was most often from Thursday evening and leaving in Monday / Tuesday night, but I think I became bored of prostitute behavior. On last Thursday, after 3 months, I was not able to go to any girl at Swiss when I stayed for 4 hours. On Friday, I needed 2 hours to go to a elegant look, even we did chat during breakfast, but real effort to go to her for sex. I really need to train.
Any examples of food?
Earlier reports seemed to indicate that the food was just at the standard FKK level.Quite good breakfast, quite good foods for me, fruit juices. Swimming pool in garden. Club is OK, staff is nice. Casting may improve if some NRW girls improve level. Entry only 50 . Girls for 50/30.
What is making me laugh is guys telling others have addiction because they go more often than them, but they don't know the medical meaning of addiction, and if they could afford, if they had enough money, they would also go more often. I know guys who are in brothels 6 days per week, sometimes paying for 3 Swiss clubs in a day, and not the faintest problem for me. On 2016 golden year, I was most often from Thursday evening and leaving in Monday / Tuesday night, but I think I became bored of prostitute behavior. On last Thursday, after 3 months, I was not able to go to any girl at Swiss when I stayed for 4 hours. On Friday, I needed 2 hours to go to a elegant look, even we did chat during breakfast, but real effort to go to her for sex. I really need to train.It is called self-hatred. And it is usually voiced by people who have issues themselves, and wants to make changes in their lives. So they try to find ways of changing their habits. And while doing this, they also need to lay blame on, and demonize their own past.
So, it is never outwordy, and about P6 og FKK's at all. It is an inwordy discussion they are having. They just like to shout it all out for the sake of feng shui.
BigBuddy69
06-25-20, 03:13
Any examples of food?
Earlier reports seemed to indicate that the food was just at the standard FKK level.Usually they serve salmon which is rather good and for the BBQ, they sometimes give you two tickets for beefsteaks which are clearly better than the usual sausages you get in an usual sauna club BBQ. So it's above the average sauna club level but it's not a restaurant.
The funny thing is that it will be full with men who constantly talk shit about it on the internet but since it's the only open club and they have a terrible sex addiction issue, they'll rush to the club (and then they'll talk shit about it or maybe they'll say that it changed a lot and now it's a perfectly fine place).I think if you look harder you will find a couple more options.
It is called self-hatred. And it is usually voiced by people who have issues themselves, and wants to make changes in their lives. So they try to find ways of changing their habits. And while doing this, they also need to lay blame on, and demonize their own past.
So, it is never outwordy, and about P6 og FKK's at all. It is an inwordy discussion they are having. They just like to shout it all out for the sake of feng shui.Addiction have real medical meaning about not being able to control and suffering, nothing about being regular. When so many jealous about some others in brothels, some are even more interested by other guys than girls, but I would be much more jealous if I saw outside a beautiful woman with 2 children kissing with love her man, than about paid sex. In this business, our difference is what we are which make girls treat us in different way and really easy to notice in clubs how a girl feel with the guy, you can see very different behavior.
It is called self-hatred. And it is usually voiced by people who have issues themselves, and wants to make changes in their lives. So they try to find ways of changing their habits. And while doing this, they also need to lay blame on, and demonize their own past.
So, it is never outwordy, and about P6 og FKK's at all. It is an inwordy discussion they are having. They just like to shout it all out for the sake of feng shui.I have habits of buying beautiful prostitutes since when I was 17 or 18 years old and this is the habits that I keep secret, but I am very proud of my accomplishment of fucking so many beautiful girls. As a man, having fucked so many beautiful stunners are good thing, but it is somehow denounced by society for their own torture. At least, for some of us mongers, we lived life to the fullest in sex area of our life when we die. Isn't it amazing?
I am a sex addict who can control myself as I do not jump on random strangers, but I love fucking young beautiful girls, it is one of the greatest pleasure in life that make me feel so alive. I understand mongers hiding it in their private lives like I do, but I do not understand why some mongers criticize other mongers for being sex addict as we are all in same cave fucking same set of girls in FKK.
Having said that, we are on the right path, we have been and we will always will be on this path leading up to young beautiful girls pussy or anal, so monger on mongers, there is no shame in what we are doing, we are doing right thing in life as a man. We dreamed of it once when we were little boy and we managed to make that dream into reality.
It is called self-hatred. And it is usually voiced by people who have issues themselves, and wants to make changes in their lives. So they try to find ways of changing their habits. And while doing this, they also need to lay blame on, and demonize their own past.
So, it is never outwordy, and about P6 og FKK's at all. It is an inwordy discussion they are having. They just like to shout it all out for the sake of feng shui.I always maintain that guys who complain of others having too much sex have personal problems. When those complainers get in positions of power that is where the problem lies. Case in point NY mayor Rudy Giuliani who shut down the New York city sex industry had erectile dysfunction as do many men in high positions in the US, that is why the US sex industry is so dismal.
BigBuddy69
06-25-20, 16:19
The problem is not having too much sex, the problem is getting totally obsessed by this hobby, spending all of one's free time in sex clubs and totally losing touch with reality, fantasizing about things that never happened, stalking the girls. We are talking about paysex, not some twisted kind of romance. Do you remember the young dude who fell in love with Janine in sharks? There is a time when you have to do something else, at least to save your sanity.
ExpatLover
06-25-20, 19:01
Reply from EL: I think that more guys with high positions have mistresses than the poor one, also there is sex outside visiting prostitutes, and for me at least my best sex was never with a prostitutes, I retired more or less from the P6 scene but that doesn't mean I am no more active, I just don't want to pay any more for average girls. It is possible if you are not to stupid to date average girls in the real life without having to pay for them.
France (10 percent GDP, 89 million foreign tourists, less than 4 percent from USA).
Spain (15 percent GDP, 82 million foreign tourists, less than 4 percent from USA).
Italy (10 percent GDP, 63 million foreign tourists, 9 percent from USA).
Germany (less than 5 percent GDP, 35 million foreign tourists and 7 percent from USA).
Looking at total trips made by EU residents, 71 percent made trips within their own country, 21 percent were to another EU country. And only 8 percent of the trips were outside the EU. Due to the pandemic, this 8 percent will probably be reluctant not travel outside of the EU, and instead will opt to holiday inside the EU. That should offset most of the money that American and Russian tourists would have spent.
168 million tourists entered the EU from non-EU countries in 2018. Breakdown: 23 percent from Asia, 17 percent came from North America, and 49 percent from United Kingdom, Iceland, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Norway, Turkey, Russia, Ukraine and other European countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Italy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Spain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_France
https://wolfstreet.com/2020/03/07/tourism-contributed-10-to-gdp-in-france-13-in-italy-15-in-spain-now-its-in-free-fall/
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20200323-1
Reading your numbers McA, I'd say Italy and France for sure. But not so much Spain given the lower price point in Spain than in Germany. And most tourists in Spain are also Europeans. So the USD is of less importance. While in Italy and France, the tourism has a more global character, and so it is affected more by the USD. Germany falls in between on global / European reliance. But as you noted, has a higher percentage of american tourists of the total, than say France and Spain.
The general assumption I have, which I believe is more or less true, is that:
Asians think highly of France as a tourism destination, and think it is posh.
Europeans want to go to the Spanish beaches. And along the Spanish coasts, there are countless villages filled up with hundreds of thousands, or even a few million vacation homes owned by people from UK, Germany, Benelux and Scandinavia. Plus Spain also have the canary islands: the only place in EU where you can actually get a good vacation temperature from Dec.-Feb. Since the turn of the millennia, Turkey has come up as a second version of Spain, but fascist Erdogan has lately done his best to reverse some of this.
North Americans usually combine a trip to Europe to visit 3rd, or even 4th cousins, many of which hails from Germany, with some historical sights in Italy and Greece, and also to some extent Paris and London.
And then everybody likes Greece. But the Greeks have this above and below attitude towards tourism. And so the prices there are higher. They have double pricing some places (turkey is also terrible at this), and they really do think their sights are the best in the world. So they make that excuse to stay lazy and live off of only tourism for the entire year. Which doesn't always hold up.
Greece is probably loosing by this lockout the most by the way.
Personally speaking, I have zero appetite for any vacay in EU for the time being (or even in US, for that matter) and most of my friends circle are in a similar head space. A few are flying domestically for vacations, but with US seeing a renewed uptick, we may see this vacation impulse dwindle further. As such, this European ban on US tourists probably has very limited practical impact IMO, as not many were going to go anyway. But I thought it was a hoot, as our POTUS made a big deal in mid March about putting a ban on Europeans traveling to US (and excluded UK from that ban for a few days, as a reward for his buddy BoJo. Another joke, as UK ended up being the worst Covid spot in EU) and the roles are now reversed. This Wuhan virus has brought our country to its knees but our potus did not make the matters easy with his ineptness.
The problem is not having too much sex, the problem is getting totally obsessed by this hobby, spending all of one's free time in sex clubs and totally losing touch with reality, fantasizing about things that never happened, stalking the girls. We are talking about paysex, not some twisted kind of romance. Do you remember the young dude who fell in love with Janine in sharks? There is a time when you have to do something else, at least to save your sanity.Yes, totally agree with that. I do remember the young guy in love with Janine at Sharks. Once, while he was in the bathroom, I approached Janine sitting on the couch for a session and off we went! He gave me a bad look when I came down the stairs with a big grin on my face hand-in-hand with Janine. I had the same reaction from the guy, who was in love with Lena. De, always at Sharks. Priceless!
Rock.
The problem is not having too much sex, the problem is getting totally obsessed by this hobby, spending all of one's free time in sex clubs and totally losing touch with reality, fantasizing about things that never happened, stalking the girls. We are talking about paysex, not some twisted kind of romance. Do you remember the young dude who fell in love with Janine in sharks? There is a time when you have to do something else, at least to save your sanity.People are different, some men become Roman Catholic priests abstaining from sex their whole lives and others are mongers like BigBuddy69.
Wilt Chamberlain, was obsessed with sex but that did not prevent him from becoming the world's greatest basketballer of all time. He never got married and had sex with over 20,000 women.
Europe need USD and we even know we don't have so big sanitary risks from US, much more from Asia, but do you think Trump is a good, reliable ambassador for you, when he is so crazy. But Europe have to protect itself when we had around 200 000 deaths, too many, and Germany is even in trouble in some parts now.Europe need USD and not only for tourism, but Trump is a so bad image for us, dangerous crazy, same like with WGs, when they have bad image for me, I don't go. I m pretty sure with a much more clever than Trump, US would have been welcome in Europe before mid July, even Germany will still be closed for brothels, but not only Germany, when we know most of those who still need a gun under pillow to kill last Mohican on white horse with no name, don t travel much abroad, they prefer to count children or black killed.
People are different, some men become Roman Catholic priests abstaining from sex their whole lives and others are mongers like BigBuddy69.
Wilt Chamberlain, was obsessed with sex but that did not prevent him from becoming the world's greatest basketballer of all time. He never got married and had sex with over 20,000 women.As a rich celebrity, Wilt Chamberlain had an abundance of sexual opportunities as a part of his everyday life. In other words, he flirted with a White American stewardess while travelling to the next city with his teammates, then had a sexual encounter with her at his hotel the night before competition. Also he retired at age 27 a wealthy man. Your typical ISGer is not a retired one-percenter or a celebrity who has pretty civilian WGs from rich Western countries throwing themselves at him, so they make more sacrifices to have sex with young beauties.
BB69's point is that it is not about the physical act of sex. Here is a hypothetical example: Married executive working in downtown Frankfurt making half a million EUR per year. If this monger had a 60 minute booking everyday during his lunch break at an incall location less than 15 minutes from his office, I do not think that BB69 would characterise him as a sex-addicted monger obsessed with the hobby. Because such a monger is investing less than ten hours per week on the hobby, spending zero minutes per day reading and posting to forums, and spending only a fraction of his income.
Quotes from lawyer friend that suggest that Wilt Chamberlain probably did not have to sacrifice much to have sex with 20,000 women:.
"He made movies, wrote books, played music and tennis," Goldberg said. "He was a Renaissance man who happened to play basketball."
"Women would leap across the room to say hi to him," Goldberg said. "Whenever he came home and checked his voice mail, he'd have 30 to 40 messages from women."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2001-08-14-0108140231-story.html..
Greece is probably loosing by this lockout the most by the way.Of the EU member states, Greece is most dependent on tourists (up to 25 percent of its GDP). I posted statistics for Germany, France, Spain and Italy because I suspect these larger economies have more influence on which countries appear on the travel ban list. If Greece was in charge, I am sure they would have zero issues with letting Americans in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Greece.
Reading your numbers McA, I'd say Italy and France for sure. But not so much Spain given the lower price point in Spain than in Germany. And most tourists in Spain are also Europeans. So the USD is of less importance. While in Italy and France, the tourism has a more global character, and so it is affected more by the USD. Germany falls in between on global / European reliance. But as you noted, has a higher percentage of american tourists of the total, than say France and Spain.The statistics show that almost half of Spain's tourists come from three countries: UK, Germany, and France. And over 20 percent come from UK. A British working class family of four may have lost some wages during this pandemic, and fuel is cheap, so will this British family just decide to do a holiday closer to home and travel by car this summer? If car travel becomes primary mode of holiday travel, then I think Spain's remoteness will result in less tourist traffic, which means French and Italian beach towns will be able to retain more domestic tourists and gain a bigger share of the the North European tourists.
Asians think highly of France as a tourism destination, and think it is posh.France and Italy are probably more dependent on Asian tourists then Spain. Chinese account for 30 percent of the spending on luxury goods worldwide and most of them do their luxury goods shopping outside of China. LV costs 50 percent more in China than in EU. Armani is 70 percent more. But is it worth the trouble and extra hassle for Chinese to travel to EU this year? https://theculturetrip.com/asia/china/articles/chinese-dominate-luxury-shoppers-in-europe-but-that-might-be-changing/.
Kamsutra69
06-26-20, 18:49
So right!
It's also the thrill of getting what you want from these young, beautiful girls against money. Being frustrated with the lockdown, I have found myself a GF. But it's not the same. I can't expect her to do everything I want.
I can't treat her like a working girl. How much I miss that!
I have habits of buying beautiful prostitutes since when I was 17 or 18 years old and this is the habits that I keep secret, but I am very proud of my accomplishment of fucking so many beautiful girls. As a man, having fucked so many beautiful stunners are good thing, but it is somehow denounced by society for their own torture. At least, for some of us mongers, we lived life to the fullest in sex area of our life when we die. Isn't it amazing?
I am a sex addict who can control myself as I do not jump on random strangers, but I love fucking young beautiful girls, it is one of the greatest pleasure in life that make me feel so alive. I understand mongers hiding it in their private lives like I do, but I do not understand why some mongers criticize other mongers for being sex addict as we are all in same cave fucking same set of girls in FKK.
Having said that, we are on the right path, we have been and we will always will be on this path leading up to young beautiful girls pussy or anal, so monger on mongers, there is no shame in what we are doing, we are doing right thing in life as a man. We dreamed of it once when we were little boy and we managed to make that dream into reality.
Addiction is accompanied by dependence and withdrawal syndrome. Dependence is both physical and psychological. There is desensitization. Excessive or repeated consumption alone would not qualify as addiction. I drink coffee every day or multiple times on many days. But I also never get a headache on days when I do not consume coffee, I do not crave it, and I can go multiple days w / o coffee w / o any physical effects. I would characterize my interest in paid sex in the same category as coffee, in that when the chance presents I do partake a good amount of paid sex but lack of consumption of paid sex for extended periods does not seem to bother me. Due to Covid risk, I have even stayed away from my sugar babes and they are plenty, in easy reach and desperately seeking money in these tough times. The only thing I seem to be somewhat addicted is social networks. Not necessarily on this site which is new to me (one year+) but some other social forums and whatsapp groups etc. However, while I have increased my usage of these social networks in this period of WFH, I don't believe I will have physical or psychological impact if I withdraw from this activity in total suddenly.
So right!
It's also the thrill of getting what you want from these young, beautiful girls against money. Being frustrated with the lockdown, I have found myself a GF. But it's not the same. I can't expect her to do everything I want.
I can't treat her like a working girl. How much I miss that!I actually had very fond memories from normal girls relationships as most of my normal girlfriends when it comes to sex and in part also from daily life too, but these things come with indirect cost both money, time and effort 24/7 doing things that I do not really want to do, so that I can retain the relationship, so I can have sex.
Mongering always has been side safety net like thing for me till I became around 26, but more I grow older and wiser or rational, I began to realize that all I want from women are to be beautiful and sexual, I tend to not like accompany of women, I used to do all the courting that is so irrational, so I can get sex, but rational character that I am, I found better path that fit my personality, which is efficient mongering. The game changed for me when I realized that mongering industry constantly offer stunners that are around 20 years old, so I did the simple math, which one is better for the life I like to live.
All escorts are open here in Tokyo, but I have not been to it because I am not frustrated; I just went to mongering trip in end of Jan and early Feb, so I am quite OK, but more than that, I am 40 years old this year and I have been mongering for 22 or 23 years now this year, so I fucked so many beautiful girls throughout my life that I have reached little bit of sexual zen stage. I even think I will not go to FKK this year, or even next with this pandemic going on. Why risk messing up my lung permanently, plus, I already by coincidence accomplish my set goal of going on mongering trip at least once a year every year. I guess the fate of mongering forced my to go earl this year, so I could accomplish that goal of mine this year too LOL.
I will continue to monger for rest of my life and sex with beautiful women only because it is one of very important thing in my life as a man to able to say I lived my life to the fullest. Unfortunately, due to societal denouncement, I cannot openly talk about mongering part of my life, but I often realize how lucky I am and some of us mongers are for able to accomplish every man's dream of continuously fucking only beautiful stunner girls. I fucked few stunner porn stars and it is very fulfilling feeling to stand in center of Tokyo to realized, wow I fucked girls that most of men here walking now jerked off to before in their life. I turned dream into reality where as those who denounce mongers spend their life jerking off to some porn stars that they will never fuck in reality.
It is funny how human kind denounce and has been oppressing man's nature: lust for beautiful girls. I would say over 90 percent of men ever lived wasted their life away locked up in their brainwashed ideology prison that society install to their brain via TV, education and various other media channel, but they choose to imprison themselves for their own misery. So they can keep on jerking off for rest of their life and stick their penis into love of their life old aging wife's old pussy.
However, some of us can think for ourselves and found a better way to live the life we want to live, so we have different more beautiful holes of our choice to stick our penis into. Monger on mongers.
ExpatLover
06-27-20, 06:49
Reply from EL: I am not proud to fuck prostitutes, it is really not a performance, the performance would be to achieve the same with none prostitute without paying. Never a girl refused me in 15.
Years of mongering. We keep it secret because in fact we are not proud, for sure if we were able to do it with none prostitutes we will advertise it a lot.
Yes, totally agree with that. I do remember the young guy in love with Janine at Sharks. Once, while he was in the bathroom, I approached Janine sitting on the couch for a session and off we went! He gave me a bad look when I came down the stairs with a big grin on my face hand-in-hand with Janine. I had the same reaction from the guy, who was in love with Lena. De, always at Sharks. Priceless!
Rock.Being in love with prostitute is dangerous thing, sometimes it lead to murder or some kind of violence acts. Both mongers and prostitutes should be careful with this to avoid further misfortune that took place in FKK before.
In FKK, we buy sex and illusions, not love, but for some new guys on the block, it is confusing because some girls do really provide you with outstanding sex with so many sweet things to say to you with sweet treatment. It is nice illusions to buy, but bad illusion to believe.
People are different, some men become Roman Catholic priests abstaining from sex their whole lives and others are mongers like BigBuddy69.
Wilt Chamberlain, was obsessed with sex but that did not prevent him from becoming the world's greatest basketballer of all time. He never got married and had sex with over 20,000 women.Of course Roman Catholic Priests abstain from sex with beautiful girls all their life because they tend to fancy men, they prefer man to man anal actions, not with women like we do.
Addiction is accompanied by dependence and withdrawal syndrome. Dependence is both physical and psychological. There is desensitization. Excessive or repeated consumption alone would not qualify as addiction. I drink coffee every day or multiple times on many days. But I also never get a headache on days when I do not consume coffee, I do not crave it, and I can go multiple days w / o coffee w / o any physical effects. I would characterize my interest in paid sex in the same category as coffee, in that when the chance presents I do partake a good amount of paid sex but lack of consumption of paid sex for extended periods does not seem to bother me. Due to Covid risk, I have even stayed away from my sugar babes and they are plenty, in easy reach and desperately seeking money in these tough times. The only thing I seem to be somewhat addicted is social networks. Not necessarily on this site which is new to me (one year+) but some other social forums and whatsapp groups etc. However, while I have increased my usage of these social networks in this period of WFH, I don't believe I will have physical or psychological impact if I withdraw from this activity in total suddenly.Many write here without knowing anything about real medical meaning and same about many other things, just from frustration. For me, much more interesting to see big differences in clubs, just real facts. Yesterday my eyes smiled so much at Amesia, when I'm bored of prostitutes images, when Globe lost chic and charm, but it was Christmas time for my eyes used to elegance, chic and beauty. When Megan twin for face and she comes from same town, put off her clothes, when I saw her superb pears shape natural tits without silicon, her angel face with so beautiful smile, her round ass, her nails, her skin, and wow rare aura for second one, chic, charm and elegance in a brothel, more and more rare now, only pandas at Globe now but they are very hidden, was it suffering, or pleasure? I m afraid I may return today to give again pleasure to my eyes and mind, even I know my best pleasure will to go to ski for maximum attack in Tignes on July. Each one should just be able to enjoy on own level and not only about money but even more about level with women, rather than getting more and more frustrated, when I confirm manners paid me about 20 mn for free in Switzerland when cost could have been 160 CHF more, but 2 girls wanted to be sure I finished and enjoyed with them. Maybe I was lucky about slow business. When some are just getting big frustration in clubs. I remember before starting here on end of 2014 , I was for 2 years on another forum written in French with same name coming from how call me my Russian escorts, I was just discovering FKK land on end of 2012 , but writing my weekly visits all around, I made claimed experts on this forum becoming mad crazy, they wanted to meet the new alien, for sure when meeting some, we couldn't have same experiences. Your face, not being fat and of course manners, skill and a bit of knowledge about women, learned with my love for my girlfriends, help a lot in brothels when money is not always all. When I started DATY, first one who was on her fifth day in this business, understood, then she wide opened, asking me to give her pleasure, then turned to magic passionate, nothing about ridiculous love with a girl fucked by everybody, but just pleasure and emotions, not only boring emptying balls filling a hole. Second with wow look even turned too wild for me, but funny to see chic elegance becoming crazy, even losing a bit of sensuality I prefer. We have to be able to make own pleasure according to our level.
I have tried posting updates concerning ladies I know on alternate forum sites but it seems it's not allowed.
https://wepowder.com/en/forum
https://forums.autosport.com/forum/2-racing-comments/
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=61216
Pessimist, Ho, Turgid:
The term "sexual addiction" distracts a bit from BB69's main point (he can correct me at anytime). Let's refocus on the second part of what BB69 said: "obsessed with the hobby, losing touch with reality, fantasizing about things that never happened".
Here is another hypothetical example: Monger has a 200 day per year habit of seeing WGs and then one day he tragically gets into a car accident and becomes a paraplegic who can no longer feel anything below the waist. Such a man could still be obsessed with the hobby. He can still spend 18 hours a day reading and posting to sex forums. Lonely and isolated, this man's fantasies serve as his companionship and entertainment. At some point, the lines between imagination and reality blur. He no longer differentiates memories from his fantasies with memories from actual events. He may read a report from Sharks the previous week about a new 18 yo WG that just arrived. A few days later, he has a fantasy about visiting the club and having an amazing GFE session with her, and posts his field report. To us readers, he would be lying, but if this monger believes everything that he writes, I do not know if we can characterise this as lying.
The above might seem like a contrived example, but WGs deal with men like this in the clubs all the time, less extreme of course.
"Psychotic and delusional stalkers simply cannot separate fact from fiction. Even an imaginary love is better than no love at all. All delusional stalkers hold onto a fixed false belief that keeps them bonded to their victims. The core of their obsession is based on fantasy; what they cannot attain in reality is achieved through this fantasy.
The typical profile of delusional stalkers is that of a single, socially immature loner, who has been unable to establish or sustain close relationships with others. Delusional stalkers rarely date and have had few, if any, sexual relationships. They usually come from an emotionally barren or severely abusive childhood; growing up to have a very poor sense of their own identities. Most delusional stalkers have a predisposition toward psychosis.Thoughts on above: (1) I believe that WG definitely falls under the category of a "helping profession", (2) I believe the "socially immature loner" is more prevalent in the FKK clubs than the general population. Most of them are well-behaved, easy-going gentleman, but a small fraction go on to become unhinged, delusional stalkers.
................It is funny how human kind denounce and has been oppressing man's nature: lust for beautiful girls. I would say over 90 percent of men ever lived wasted their life away locked up in their brainwashed ideology prison that society install to their brain via TV, education and various other media channel, but they choose to imprison themselves for their own misery. So they can keep on jerking off for rest of their life and stick their penis into love of their life old aging wife's old pussy.
However, some of us can think for ourselves and found a better way to live the life we want to live, so we have different more beautiful holes of our choice to stick our penis into. Monger on mongers.When I was a teenager I used to walk by an area where there were prostitutes, one in particular used to say in graphic and obscene terms what she wanted to do to me. I was really scared of her in particular and them in general. I used to walk a much longer route when I could just to avoid having to pass there. I never thought in my wildest dreams then that I could ever have sex with a prostitute. Then my brother started hanging out with guys some of whom banged hookers and he tried it eventually. He used to tell me of his escapades and I would think better him than me. Then one night when I was bored he was going out and invited me to go to a brothel with him and I said what the heck. We were drinking and I noticed this petite girl who was not bad looking. My brother chose a girl and off he went, when he returned he offered to pay for my session which in my semi-inebriated state I accepted, with the petite girl whose name I still remember, Sandra (this was 48 years ago). The rest is history. I always think that if I did not have a brother like that I would have been among the over 90% of men who never banged a prostitute.
I always think that if I did not have a brother like that I would have been among the over 90% of men who never banged a prostitute.According to this older study (consistent with others I have seen), about 14% of American men owned up to seeing prostitutes. Build in a "liar factor", and the percentage is probably a little higher than this: https://www.livescience.com/28169-men-who-use-prostitutes.html.
Polyamorist
06-27-20, 20:13
According to this older study (consistent with others I have seen), about 14% of American men owned up to seeing prostitutes. Build in a "liar factor", and the percentage is probably a little higher than this: https://www.livescience.com/28169-men-who-use-prostitutes.html.And in the rest of the world much much higher. You are privileged enough to think only in terms of the Premier Sex Penitentiary and Correctional Facility in the world.
And in the rest of the world much much higher. You are privileged enough to think only in terms of the Premier Sex Penitentiary and Correctional Facility in the world.Why thank you! American "exceptionalism" for sure!
Pahllus Maximus
06-27-20, 22:25
Philosophy abounds with people who warn against following the flock of sheep and beware of brainwashing. Our entire society is built on myths / laws / mores that enables groups beyond about 150 to function. But is still a big church of differing religions, politics, wealth and income distribution. As to the Johns classes, it is not that long ago that Alan Turing was judicially tortured for being gay, and there are many recent examples of the tools of psychiatrists to "correct" proscribed behavior. Laying down little judgments, funny looks its how it starts and progresses to prisons, used for such things as not believing in religion or the wrong religion / creed / sexuality etc etc. It's doubtful there is much "normal" in sexual behavior because the data refuses to cooperate with bell curve nonsense. It becomes even more erratic because of the liar factor and second order effects.
Mongering was extremely common in the past and normalized. It still is in many places and will be around for the foreseeable future. Anyone who has been to Gambia or South Africa know that white women pay for young men, and same in ancient Rome.
As far as mongering goes, banging lots of young beauties is fine, just as sampling different restaurants, movies, etc is fine. The moral issues mask deeper power plays about reproduction of economic units that requires a stable support arrangement for women and kids and also the limited shelf life of womens fertility. Monogamous sex is thought to be the glue to this in Western culture, though other societies less so. P4 P undermines this. The John Classes claim to "cure" paying for sex, on the presumption men lack impulse control and that P4 P is rape and violence towards women (as a proxy for other frustrations) disguised by the exchange of cash, based on the notion women selling sex have no choice or agency in the matter and are all effectively trafficked and / or under age / insert buzz phrase. Also buried in their typical "training" materials is that the johns need the therapy to form "normal" relationships on the flawed assumption they are loners without friends and love and are dysfunctional. As you can see, some pretty huge assumptions exist. They are based of pure assertion without any serious empirical evidence.
The Nordic model goes even further, aiding one side of the equation and punishing the other that would not exist but for aiding the first half. The end result is criminalizing sexual desire, but practically only for men. But if I employ a woman to clean my toilets and scrub pots and pans or factory work in really shitty conditions and law pay, that's apparently OK, and not an addiction, no matter how much it affects the dignity, health or happiness of the worker.
Why is that when sex is involved in the exchange of labor for money, it suddenly needs "corrective" therapy?
The lurking issue seems to be unbundling of monogamy and financial / emotional support of women. Putting a price on youth, beauty and delaying the use of fertility to create new economic units. A secondary issue is womens' "shelf life" to snag a man. Women are extremely aware of fading looks and the window of opportunity. The population replacement rate is very carefully monitored by governments via census, vital statistics and the same with demographics of commerce and industry. The issue seems to be that men will not "settle down" and devote their time / money / energy to reproduction of economic units if they can conveniently buy sex as a service. The Nordic model, shorn of its emotive and other assumptions of men being dysfunctional beings, seems to boil down to a power play to hand back forced bundling and lack of price comparison to women and create a Faustian bargain with the reproduction of economic units.
The irony is the promoters of Nordic model fail to see the parallels with witch trials they also presumably condemn.
Instead of this unpersuasive position, it gets dressed up an pseudo medico speak to justify the restriction of freedom of half the populations sexual desires with consenting, adult women. The Johns classes have as much validity at political re-education camps (or gulags), what they did to Turing, heretics, blasphemy, and the other nonsense throughout history. That vast majority of folks here are perfectly healthy and have fully functional social bonds. Romantic sex is not a per-condition to a healthy person any more than marriage. Nor is romantic sex a necessary (or even sufficient) component of being functioning human. The divorce statistics explode the myth. This romance-for-sex narrative is as dysfunctional as the supposed cash-for-sex narrative and febrile claims of the Nordic model and "Johns Classes" proponents.
So, lets see our hobby as a choice based in biology, the normal range of social choices, and not some dark and sick secret of dysfunctional, loner men. I'm sick of this BS. I've met and slept with hundreds of workers and by and large they are quite content relative to the economic alternatives, if not a happily mystified about the power a pretty female holds over men. Many like that power and like the freedom, cash and so on. The feminists will be dismayed to know many working girls enjoy sex with some of their customers and do freebies.
May COVID end so we can again admire the bodies / brains and ravish some beautiful young women soon!
LeyenLouvain
06-28-20, 00:13
It is possible if you are not to stupid to date average girls in the real life without having to pay for them.Some of us have tried and even bought books on how to do it!
It is possible if you are not too stupid to date average girls in the real life without having to pay for them.But I actually like paying pretty ones for sex on a "cash and carry" basis. And then when it's all done, they leave! No strings attached. This is what I prefer.
And in the rest of the world much much higher. You are privileged enough to think only in terms of the Premier Sex Penitentiary and Correctional Facility in the world.The word you wrote: "higher" somehow reminded me of Jefferey epstein and those who are not just rich, but mega rich and monger. They seems to try to go beyond to get what others do not seek for like the case of Jefferey epstein going for under age girls and tried and managed to build his own network of young girls, but I must say, these girls were not stunners at all.
I like young girls too, but I like young girls above age of 18, and I quite do not get what is their mind set beside they think they can get away with it all mentality to seek for illegal age girls for their sexual pleasure. I guess it also got to do with fucking forbidden. , well they were ugly forbidden that costed him even his life.
Also Harvey weinstein doing all sort of sexual harassment all over the place, he could have lived amazing mongering life if he go more legit way, but again go for off piste illegal path to satisfy their sexual appetite. That also costed him his life in prison most likely for rest of his life considering his age.
I think being higher mega rich is not necessary good place to live good sex life due to their fame and others knowing they have mega amount of money and reputation they have to keep being rather public figure. To live good sex life, little rich or well off person who has freedom setup to travel when he want more or less is the best because when you are too higher up in money, they clearly tend to go nut due to their power happiness that crowd their judgement.
I gave two examples and it is funny how these guys names both end with: "stein" LOL.
According to this older study (consistent with others I have seen), about 14% of American men owned up to seeing prostitutes. Build in a "liar factor", and the percentage is probably a little higher than this: https://www.livescience.com/28169-men-who-use-prostitutes.html.They have to know where to go because quality of prostitutes really differ depending on where you go as you know. In FKK, it cost you 50 euro, well in reality now 100 euro for 30 min with real stunner who are actually beautiful, but these girls cost much more even you manage to find them in US cities like NYC, LA, Miami etc. , so mongering really is information war and how far you as a man are willing to go to get the best. It is bit like arbitrage.
It is quite simple actually, all men who want good sex with young beautiful girls from diverse back ground, nationalities, ethnicity, religions or whatever, they just have to go to Germany, Switzerland or Austria or Brazil or Spain for best set up. If you have good contacts like good trusted friend, you can venture out to eastern European nations or south american nations and if you like asians, then go to Thailand or Philippines. So places one must go is quite set already, and by reading and listening to what some of mongers have to say USA market, good beautiful prostitutes are out there, but hard to grasp where they exactly are and even you find it comes with higher prices comparison to Germany for example.
So in the end, I conclude that we monger have to travel one of the mongering destination that fit your preference. I am glad we figured that one out and enjoying life to the fullest.
Mongering is like life really, we must know where to go and need bit of cash. Knowing where to go is equally important thing as having money for monger.
Alessandro527
06-28-20, 05:19
Some of us have tried and even bought books on how to do it!This is because you are used on the easy way, to just pay and have what you want without efforts.
This is because you are used on the easy way, to just pay and have what you want without efforts.That is how I like it by the way, it is good thing to have what we want, when we want, how we want, the problem in life is that such situation is only given to selected few who choose to seek for it and we did.
For me, result is most important and I like to live the life to the fullest and sex department of my life is extremely important among other things. We have only given time that is limited, so it is wise to use it wisely.
My personal opinion that is opposite of how I got educated, but I disagree with what society norm try to enforce upon us in some area and sex area is one of the area I disagree with the most. Why stick to one aging pussies if I legally figured out how to supply plenty of different young beautiful stunners pussies? I choose to indulge myself in pool of beautiful young stunners instead of one aging woman because I can and many men can't due to their own constraint to their thought, brainwash, belief, faith, money, lack of knowledge and so on. And they don't even realize that such freedom world actually exist, but they choose to believe in what others told them or stick to their little square box called TV, PC, magazines and books. I gathered my information from travelling around world and meeting people from around world, and I realized and found out, there is better path, and decided to go off piste where the real fun in life is.
When I was a teenager I used to walk by an area where there were prostitutes, one in particular used to say in graphic and obscene terms what she wanted to do to me. I was really scared of her in particular and them in general. I used to walk a much longer route when I could just to avoid having to pass there. I never thought in my wildest dreams then that I could ever have sex with a prostitute. Then my brother started hanging out with guys some of whom banged hookers and he tried it eventually. He used to tell me of his escapades and I would think better him than me. Then one night when I was bored he was going out and invited me to go to a brothel with him and I said what the heck. We were drinking and I noticed this petite girl who was not bad looking. My brother chose a girl and off he went, when he returned he offered to pay for my session which in my semi-inebriated state I accepted, with the petite girl whose name I still remember, Sandra (this was 48 years ago). The rest is history. I always think that if I did not have a brother like that I would have been among the over 90% of men who never banged a prostitute.I like your story. Are you so sure for 90% guys who never paid for sex, sure in poor countries, but when you listen to German girls, for sure not right figure for Germany. I m happy I never paid before 40 yo and at that time, I never thought nor needed. After at Swiss Dietikon on previous Thursday being blocked for 4 hours, again for my first girl at Freubad on previous Friday when I needed 2 hours to find how to go to her, fortunately she changed her look for more elegant now and made way to start to chat and of course she smiled listening me telling about her evolution, but again on this Friday when I saw wow aura, but even after recovering from angel face, even she was rare elegance in brothels, but couldn't go to her, after about 4 hours she told me: You look at me a lot, are you so shy? When I read or hear about me, so funny, sometimes bigger effort to be able to go than climbing 22% Zoncolan, she helped me for introduction, then everything was fine and she even became a bit too wild for me in bed. And she killed a bit magic she made, yesterday, and less elegant clothes, but no regret because I prefer more sensual eroticism, but really violent effort to go to girls after 3 months, only easy was Rebeka because I knew her and was so happy to find again my last wow Globe girl, when wow is rare at Globe now.
Mongering is rental. You choose duration and cancellation fee is limited and also you can change as you wish and there is no depreciation of women because you just experience the best youthful beauty part of women of your choice. Their behavior is polite and do all you want her to do and say what you want her to say to your during the duration you choose to rent her.
Marriage is ownership for life with big cancellation fees if you cancel and you go through miserable process. And you get to experience whole package of depreciation of women and no changing policy unless you marry many times. The behavior depend on the day and cannot be controlled and in general, it is women who tell men what to do, if you tell her what to do or curse her, most likely you will be sued and can be jailed if circumstance evidences are set up by her lawyer who may marry her and move to your house while you are jailed LOL!
So do the math, pick one of the above and live the life you want to live.
Dr Ho, PHD in mongering with 23 years of practice.
Does anyone know the next date when all the local governments in Germany are due to review the current ban on the sex industry?
Dates have previously come & gone with extensions added each time.
With Austria, Switzerland, Holland & Belgium already either opened or due to open shortly the scene in Germany remains dormant without (to my knowledge) any positive news.
Mongerer88
06-28-20, 13:16
A simple comment / request I have in evaluating your analysis. Are you disclosing all subsidies you receive?
You act as if all criminalized / Nordic Model countries have massive Vice squads attacking all commercial sex transactions, but that is simply not true.
It is not difficult to purchase sex in the United States, or even Sweden. It is extraordinarily easy in most of Canada. And France's scene did not go away after its Nordic Model.
The USA, Sweden, and France have simply declared war on clearly visible commercial sex transactions (the USA Calls it organized crime), and on inexpensive commercial sex transactions.
It is extraordinarily easy to purchase sex in the United States if a person contacts an independent escort who has her own website and screens clients to ensure that they are not part of law enforcement. The police leave those women almost entirely alone. There are websites such as P411 that serve as a combination of screening / advertising sites that are not attacked by law enforcement, presumably because of the screening. As you can tell from the Seeking Arrangement thread, a large portion of the USA Scene has shifted in that direction. It is designed to provide an initial contact mechanism, with all further discussions of money, and discussions of sex, occurring on a one-on-one basis.
The USA Attacked Backpage, where a customer (even one under 18) could go from comparing the prices of back-to-school backpacks to the prices of women offering CBJs to those offering BBBJs. A lot of people didn't like that, especially the Attorney Generals of the various USA States.
Canada arguably doesn't belong in this analysis, but it passed its Nordic Model because a couple of outspoken ladies refused to honor the long-held truce with the government where incall was not allowed in residential, suburban areas when neighbors complained. Canada has done everything humanly possible to backtrack from its Nordic Model law with the exception of an attack directed at an agency in London Ontario and a facility in a nice suburb outside of Montreal. The message is clear. Our police departments specifically did a "harm reduction" public announcement pertaining to Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver. We don't give a shit what you do in big cities as long as it doesn't involve minors, but keep it out of the fucking suburbs and villages that don't want this.
Sweden was also upfront. It publicly said from the beginning that it didn't want immigrant women from poorer parts of Europe entering the country to sell inexpensive sex. Legislators truly said that. But a person can get an independent escort in Sweden if he goes online, so the scene does exist.
It is this same attack on relatively poor people that occurs in the USA Law enforcement in the USA Will argue the merits of that by pointing out that women selling sex at a very low price are relatively more likely to use illegal drugs, especially in parts of rural America where the drug epidemic is very real. It does not cost a tremendous amount of money for women to get a website, join a seeking Arrangement, and / or become friends with higher-level providers on Twitter who can help them wit marketing. So my patience is tested with the the never-ending pity party involving poor women. For immigration, most of the USA Guys here with enough money to purchase sex would not be appreciative of an immigrant coming to do their jobs at 25 percent of their current pay, so how the hell can we advocate for a system where the USA Allows thousands of (admittedly hot) Venezuelan women to enter the USA To sell tail? Do you think current USA Commercial sex workers want that? Do you think independent Swedish escorts really want to be flooded by Romanian immigrant competitors? The Economist Magazine did an excellent article many years ago about the frustration that United Kingdom sex workers had with immigrant sex workers. There was a caption that said "Olga, Upstairs" as part of the story.
Commercial sex is a lot more expensive in the United States and in Sweden than it is in Germany. A hell of a lot more expensive. But it is available without significant concern about law enforcement if it is done correctly.
Here is my question after my long-winded diatribe. How the hell are so many USA Guys here on ISG who diss the USA Scene getting to these low-cost countries where they love the availability of openly-available and very inexpensive commercial sex? Because it still ain't free, even in Germany. It is just less expensive. Is an employer paying for the travel costs? If so, that is a hell of a subsidy that should be factored into an analysis such as the ones you do. The USA Has an easily available "cottage industry" that is much less available in countries outside the USA Involving the collection of frequent flier miles and hotel loyalty points for transactions not involving paid flights. It is USA Folks filling up those free seats and free rooms, not Germans or Romanians. Keep that in mind when criticizing the USA, which has good and bad things. And don't forget that the same job in the USA Pays a hell of a lot more for every kind of work, not just sex work. If guys are paying their own travel costs because they enjoy foreign travel in addition to purchasing sex, I think that is great, because I also enjoy traveling, so I am not being critical of that, I am just saying that it distorts the supposed apples to apples comparison of commercial sex transactions you write about.
The horrific things you describe in your post happen in the USA, and in criminalized and in half-criminalized countries, if a person doesn't pay enough for sex and doesn't make the purchase in the manner ignored by law enforcement. You could argue that there are a few guys too poor to do so in the government-approved manner, but I am doubtful that is true for USA Guys financially able to travel internationally. Most of the problems occur because guys are unwilling to educate themselves as to how the system really works.
Philosophy abounds with people who warn against following the flock of sheep and beware of brainwashing. Our entire society is built on myths / laws / mores that enables groups beyond about 150 to function. But is still a big church of differing religions, politics, wealth and income distribution. As to the Johns classes, it is not that long ago that Alan Turing was judicially tortured for being gay, and there are many recent examples of the tools of psychiatrists to "correct" proscribed behavior. Laying down little judgments, funny looks its how it starts and progresses to prisons, used for such things as not believing in religion or the wrong religion / creed / sexuality etc etc. It's doubtful there is much "normal" in sexual behavior because the data refuses to cooperate with bell curve nonsense. It becomes even more erratic because of the liar factor and second order effects.
Mongering was extremely common in the past and normalized. It still is in many places and will be around for the foreseeable future. Anyone who has been to Gambia or South Africa know that white women pay for young men, and same in ancient Rome.
This is because you are used on the easy way, to just pay and have what you want without efforts.When I visited Thailand in 2015 I went on DIA and met Thai girls who I went out with and banged in my hotel room and the only cost was what I paid on the date with them. At the start of this covid debacle in mid March I thought to myself how nice it would be to settle with a non-pro and ride out the pandemic. I started to date this girl I knew and the amount of crap she put me through I said fuck that and ditched her and started doing escorts. Guys who bang non-pros in the US are guys who are willing to wade through buckets of bullshit and I am not one of them.
ExpatLover
06-28-20, 16:37
When I visited Thailand in 2015 I went on DIA and met Thai girls who I went out with and banged in my hotel room and the only cost was what I paid on the date with them. At the start of this covid debacle in mid March I thought to myself how nice it would be to settle with a non-pro and ride out the pandemic. I started to date this girl I knew and the amount of crap she put me through I said fuck that and ditched her and started doing escorts. Guys who bang non-pros in the US are guys who are willing to wade through buckets of bullshit and I am not one of them.
Reply from EL: my best sex was never with a pro, far better to date a normal girl, trying to seduce her, invest your time and energy, and taking the risk to fail, it is far more exciting for me than to put 50 or 100+ on the table in a FKK, you are already sure that the girl will not say no.
When I was a teenager I used to walk by an area where there were prostitutes, one in particular used to say in graphic and obscene terms what she wanted to do to me. I was really scared of her in particular and them in general. I used to walk a much longer route when I could just to avoid having to pass there. I never thought in my wildest dreams then that I could ever have sex with a prostitute. Then my brother started hanging out with guys some of whom banged hookers and he tried it eventually. He used to tell me of his escapades and I would think better him than me. Then one night when I was bored he was going out and invited me to go to a brothel with him and I said what the heck. We were drinking and I noticed this petite girl who was not bad looking. My brother chose a girl and off he went, when he returned he offered to pay for my session which in my semi-inebriated state I accepted, with the petite girl whose name I still remember, Sandra (this was 48 years ago). The rest is history. I always think that if I did not have a brother like that I would have been among the over 90% of men who never banged a prostitute.That was the same way I started. However, it was not my brother (Never have brother), It was my old buddy. -Long long time ago. LOL.
Alessandro527
06-29-20, 05:03
Reply from EL: my best sex was never with a pro, far better to date a normal girl, trying to seduce her, invest your time and energy, and taking the risk to fail, it is far more exciting for me than to put 50 or 100+ on the table in a FKK, you are already sure that the girl will not say no.Sex pleasure is not the same for everyone. FKK and pro give us the opportunity to avoid all this hassle before putting our dick in a pussy. For you it is excitement for others it is waste of time and energy.
A simple comment / request I have in evaluating your analysis. Are you disclosing all subsidies you receive?
You act as if all criminalized / Nordic Model countries have massive Vice squads attacking all commercial sex transactions, but that is simply not true.
It is not difficult to purchase sex in the United States, or even Sweden. It is extraordinarily easy in most of Canada. And France's scene did not go away after its Nordic Model.
The USA, Sweden, and France have simply declared war on clearly visible commercial sex transactions (the USA Calls it organized crime), and on inexpensive commercial sex transactions.
It is extraordinarily easy to purchase sex in the United States if a person contacts an independent escort who has her own website and screens clients to ensure that they are not part of law enforcement. The police leave those women almost entirely alone. There are websites such as P411 that serve as a combination of screening / advertising sites that are not attacked by law enforcement, presumably because of the screening. As you can tell from the Seeking Arrangement thread, a large portion of the USA Scene has shifted in that direction. It is designed to provide an initial contact mechanism, with all further discussions of money, and discussions of sex, occurring on a one-on-one basis.
The USA Attacked Backpage, where a customer (even one under 18) could go from comparing the prices of back-to-school backpacks to the prices of women offering CBJs to those offering BBBJs. A lot of people didn't like that, especially the Attorney Generals of the various USA States...+1+1.
Such a well argued and informative comment. Thank you!
I agree with Monger88 that you can find gems in the USA regarding working girls, but it's more difficult and expensive than in most developed countries like Canada, Germany, Spain, and Japan IMO. Not to mention the risk of being caught in a LE string is still there, even if almost non-existent with higher end escorts. And though I understand why they do it, I'm not a big fan of verification process of high-end escorts. I think one of problems with the US sex scene is lack of a middle range of escorts that price between $150 and $300 like in ladies. De and Kaufmich. It's either low end girls from escortbabylon that are barely above a streetwalker and the high end, luxury escorts that charge at least $400-500 or more per HR. Not much in between, at least where I live. My 2 cents.
Sex pleasure is not the same for everyone. FKK and pro give us the opportunity to avoid all this hassle before putting our dick in a pussy. For you it is excitement for others it is waste of time and energy.Well said and accurately described in short sentence, also waste of money as courting cost much more.
I like arbitrage and in mongering industry, we get same quality in quantity for much less price, energy and effort etc and most importantly in mongering industry, girls do not depreciate as we change girls based on our demand and supply is plenty.
If one like companionship, go for normal girls, and as for good sex, if you are not getting same level sex or even better in FKK, then the service you are getting is not proper one because you do get outstanding I do not believe she just did that sex in FKK, it is just that for intercourse condom is required, which is only downside. In Escort, you can fuck without condom though, and I do, so there is a solution to this also.
It is about personal preference and whether if you are very rational thinking person or not.
I agree with Monger88 that you can find gems in the USA regarding working girls, but it's more difficult and expensive than in most developed countries like Canada, Germany, Spain, and Japan IMO. Not to mention the risk of being caught in a LE string is still there, even if almost non-existent with higher end escorts. And though I understand why they do it, I'm not a big fan of verification process of high-end escorts. I think one of problems with the US sex scene is lack of a middle range of escorts that price between $150 and $300 like in ladies. De and Kaufmich. It's either low end girls from escortbabylon that are barely above a streetwalker and the high end, luxury escorts that charge at least $400-500 or more per HR. Not much in between, at least where I live. My 2 cents.That's an accurate description of my USA too. There was a time when the middle market was stronger, but not now. As you note, there is still the risk of LE stings, which have always been a damper on the mid-range game. As you say, for the best of the "middle kingdom", one needs to look at foreign destinations, including Brazil which is a very fertile playground.
Polyamorist
07-03-20, 19:05
Sex workers protest in Berlin as coronavirus keeps brothels shut
https://www.thelocal.de/20200703/sex-workers-protest-in-berlin-as-virus-keeps-brothels-shut
They will just work on the streets more and more. Until the administration is forced to reopen the brothels.
Sex workers protest in Berlin as coronavirus keeps brothels shut
https://www.thelocal.de/20200703/sex-workers-protest-in-berlin-as-virus-keeps-brothels-shut
They will just work on the streets more and more. Until the administration is forced to reopen the brothels.Shut them down for good?
Sex workers protest in Berlin as coronavirus keeps brothels shut
https://www.thelocal.de/20200703/sex-workers-protest-in-berlin-as-virus-keeps-brothels-shut
They will just work on the streets more and more. Until the administration is forced to reopen the brothels.I saw the link and by looking at the photo of the article, it is OK, they ain't our prostitutes LOL.
Smoke Light
07-04-20, 02:57
Sex workers protest in Berlin as coronavirus keeps brothels shut
https://www.thelocal.de/20200703/sex-workers-protest-in-berlin-as-virus-keeps-brothels-shut
They will just work on the streets more and more. Until the administration is forced to reopen the brothels.The opening line "Several dozen prostitutes armed with an inflatable sex doll. " makes makes me a little sad. I wholeheartedly support the women, but how can a few dozen make a difference? Poor souls. Hope they survive til things back to normal.
My other thought is how quickly the media jumps on tiny stories or anything about prostitutes. It has also flashed in BBC coronavirus blog.
I am in touch with a couple of RO girls since March. Finca had given them some hope in May and June, but now the magic word is "September". The girls are going back home for now. Not many presents for the mothers and younger sisters this time around.
Alessandro527
07-04-20, 09:27
Sex workers protest in Berlin as coronavirus keeps brothels shut
https://www.thelocal.de/20200703/sex-workers-protest-in-berlin-as-virus-keeps-brothels-shut
They will just work on the streets more and more. Until the administration is forced to reopen the brothels.Brothels and FKK in Germany will open again and things will be back to normal in less than a month since they open.
They will say they will have rules in the beginning but after a month there will be no rules and all back to normal as it was before corona.
I see this happening in August or end of September the latest.
Porn industry can't have rules or limitation or restrictions.
Polyamorist
07-04-20, 23:25
The opening line "Several dozen prostitutes armed with an inflatable sex doll. " makes makes me a little sad. I wholeheartedly support the women, but how can a few dozen make a difference?Think of the one student at Tiananmen Square who stood in front of a column of tanks and stopped their advance. What more might he not have achieved had he been armed with an inflatable sex doll.
Brothels and FKK in Germany will open again and things will be back to normal in less than a month since they open.
They will say they will have rules in the beginning but after a month there will be no rules and all back to normal as it was before corona.
I see this happening in August or end of September the latest.
Porn industry can't have rules or limitation or restrictions.All around Germany is opened, Switzerland on 6 June and ready for anything for money, Austria and NL on 1 July, prostitution even working in France, but Germany resist to pressure when German forums are under panic since months. One lander planned to open on 12 June, but they cancelled, when virus is still working in Western Europe under heat in Summer, so let s see on Autumn when will be 10 degrees when killer virus is stronger. Germany have many high risk brothels with many old or fat attending.
Smoke Light
07-05-20, 12:46
Think of the one student at Tiananmen Square who stood in front of a column of tanks and stopped their advance. What more might he not have achieved had he been armed with an inflatable sex doll.Obviously, the tank crew might have enjoyed a little break from duties by coming out and banging the doll.
Alessandro527
07-05-20, 15:37
All around Germany is opened, Switzerland on 6 June and ready for anything for money, Austria and NL on 1 July, prostitution even working in France, but Germany resist to pressure when German forums are under panic since months. One lander planned to open on 12 June, but they cancelled, when virus is still working in Western Europe under heat in Summer, so let s see on Autumn when will be 10 degrees when killer virus is stronger. Germany have many high risk brothels with many old or fat attending.It wouldn't be a bad idea to let major clubs with outside garden to open in first place.
Sharks, Oase, World etc.
There could be a limit number of visitors and girls and most of them would sit outside in the garden.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to let major clubs with outside garden to open in first place.
Sharks, Oase, World etc.
There could be a limit number of visitors and girls and most of them would sit outside in the garden.They cancelled Finca which have garden, opening, because all full balls Germans would have moved to Dierdorf which would have become Germany capital.
I don't understand why guys who are in hurry, don't go to average casting 6 ens NL close to Aachen for those who don't need beauty, or Switzerland where some clubs are less than 90 € for sex with entry for less than 25 with foods, or Austria. Not only Germany for brothels, and also opened now in Spain, when Germany need to confine some zones in NRW.
I don't understand why guys who are in hurry, don't go to average casting 6 ens NL close to Aachen for those who don't need beauty, or Switzerland where some clubs are less than 90 for sex with entry for less than 25 with foods, or Austria. Not only Germany for brothels, and also opened now in Spain, when Germany need to confine some zones in NRW.I think it also because of being used to a certain club. I personally feel 'at home' only at Sharks, maybe because it was my first FKK club and I have been there so many times. Level of LU is important of course, but the ambience also play a major role in the whole FKK experience.
Rock.
I think it also because of being used to a certain club. I personally feel 'at home' only at Sharks, maybe because it was my first FKK club and I have been there so many times. Level of LU is important of course, but the ambience also play a major role in the whole FKK experience.
Rock.Yes, you are right, many are stuck to a club, when just brothels for a free mind like me, only beauties interest me, not brothels, when I saw LR or World or even Globe falling for quality. Even Sharks with more girls is not anymore on beginning of 2016 level. I enjoy to visit a new club when I m unknown, because when I find a beauty, I almost always experience the same in any club, with any beauty, in any FKK land countries, even in Spain with Slavians. Funny at Amesia, so pretty face Jaky. Ro offering me time for free in room when she could ask for 80 CHF more, but just smiling after our discovery, but losing her smile when she saw me later with Michele, usual girls reaction I experience, and not same beautiful smile on next day, so I preferred not to repeat and she didn't get business in empty Amesia. Lost lost for both. When Germany is closed, I adapt, I go where is opened. After Switzerland with disappointing now, porn Globe, I may go to visit wonderful Vienna, to recover while my climbing to start.
Yes, you are right, many are stuck to a club, when just brothels for a free mind like me, only beauties interest me, not brothels, when I saw LR or World or even Globe falling for quality. Even Sharks with more girls is not anymore on beginning of 2016 level. I enjoy to visit a new club when I m unknown, because when I find a beauty, I almost always experience the same in any club, with any beauty, in any FKK land countries, even in Spain with Slavians. Funny at Amesia, so pretty face Jaky. Ro offering me time for free in room when she could ask for 80 CHF more, but just smiling after our discovery, but losing her smile when she saw me later with Michele, usual girls reaction I experience, and not same beautiful smile on next day, so I preferred not to repeat and she didn't get business in empty Amesia. Lost lost for both. When Germany is closed, I adapt, I go where is opened. After Switzerland with disappointing now, porn Globe, I may go to visit wonderful Vienna, to recover while my climbing to start.I think it is better to fix few clubs to stick to those few you selected. Of course, that has to be more than one club that is. Like for me, I tend to like Palace, Artemis, and Globe for my beauty taste as my 3 hunting ground.
Also Oceans worked for me with one or two stunner always, but it is shaky club with line up, if those two or most of time one stunner was not there, it would be no session day. I usually end up in oceans due to lack to stunner in line up at GT and do not want to risk LR as LR beauty level never really worked for me.
I arrived to GT and LR late because I met some stunner girl in other club like in Artemis Anya, who is half German and Russian who was former gt Bruggen, but when I was at gt, there were no stunner like this beside kati, one German girl and hmmm it get difficult after that. So I think I arrived gt late when line up is no longer good.
Well I stick to Artemis, palace and globe. I may try out Oase one more time again to see if it changed, but come to think about it, Oase line up was quite good, but I found upsell to be hard in Oase when I went, which put shadow on session.
I think it is better to fix few clubs to stick to those few you selected. Of course, that has to be more than one club that is. Like for me, I tend to like Palace, Artemis, and Globe for my beauty taste as my 3 hunting ground.
Also Oceans worked for me with one or two stunner always, but it is shaky club with line up, if those two or most of time one stunner was not there, it would be no session day. I usually end up in oceans due to lack to stunner in line up at GT and do not want to risk LR as LR beauty level never really worked for me.
I arrived to GT and LR late because I met some stunner girl in other club like in Artemis Anya, who is half German and Russian who was former gt Bruggen, but when I was at gt, there were no stunner like this beside kati, one German girl and hmmm it get difficult after that. So I think I arrived gt late when line up is no longer good.
Well I stick to Artemis, palace and globe. I may try out Oase one more time again to see if it changed, but come to think about it, Oase line up was quite good, but I found upsell to be hard in Oase when I went, which put shadow on session.I don't care about clubs, I go where I find attractive girls, on last Summer I visited Gold weekly for a Globe level girl for only 80/60 and entry for 25. Globe is now cheapest club for me, I pay entry 95 and I save my money about now level of new girls, really not expensive, I go to spend elsewhere on next day.
I don't care about clubs, I go where I find attractive girls, on last Summer I visited Gold weekly for a Globe level girl for only 80/60 and entry for 25. Globe is now cheapest club for me, I pay entry 95 and I save my money about now level of new girls, really not expensive, I go to spend elsewhere on next day.That's the point I am making. I do not care about clubs, but by choosing few clubs to base raise probability of finding more stunning girls than constantly changing clubs is what I found out because in big clubs girls moves around. In smaller clubs it is bit different usually mostly same girls.
I was in Germany yesterday for business and I'm happy to report that things are SLOWLY returning back to normal.
Instead of visiting Sharks after my meetings, I went to have a small bite to eat in a nearby town and restaurants and shops are quite full again and many people are sitting outside on terrases.
It's a true pity that clubs with a big outside area (Sharks, GT, Oase) are not allowed to open, because it seems that outside in the fresh air there is a very small chance of catching CV19. What concerns me is when the weather cools down again in September-October, the spread of CV19 will increase again because people are forced inside. Unlike the US, not many houses and businesses in Europe have air conditioning, and I wonder if HVAC systems are spreading CV19.
I remember my last visit to Sharks in January, and the air inside was really bad as always. Furthermore, the hygiene has been going downhill at Sharks for many years; dirty toilets with faces stains on the dividing walls, no soap in the dispensers, no paper towels to dry hands, dirty floors, and dirty / hot rooms. Just imagine how much dirt and how many bacteria are living inside the carpet in the main area, because this has not been replaced or cleaned in years.
Although line up was not fantastic at end of January, I really miss many beauties from Sharks and I hope it will reopen soon!I am surprise that the country like Switzerland where it is also strict with things in general let the brothels to be reopened again.
Kamsutra69
07-10-20, 10:41
Try picking up a normal girl in these open bars and restaurants. Extremely difficult.
FKK's not opening because people go there have sex. And the last thing people are OK with right now. Sex with a stranger.
Safe mongering!
I was in Germany yesterday for business and I'm happy to report that things are SLOWLY returning back to normal.
Instead of visiting Sharks after my meetings, I went to have a small bite to eat in a nearby town and restaurants and shops are quite full again and many people are sitting outside on terrases.
It's a true pity that clubs with a big outside area (Sharks, GT, Oase) are not allowed to open, because it seems that outside in the fresh air there is a very small chance of catching CV19. What concerns me is when the weather cools down again in September-October, the spread of CV19 will increase again because people are forced inside. Unlike the US, not many houses and businesses in Europe have air conditioning, and I wonder if HVAC systems are spreading CV19.
I remember my last visit to Sharks in January, and the air inside was really bad as always. Furthermore, the hygiene has been going downhill at Sharks for many years; dirty toilets with faces stains on the dividing walls, no soap in the dispensers, no paper towels to dry hands, dirty floors, and dirty / hot rooms. Just imagine how much dirt and how many bacteria are living inside the carpet in the main area, because this has not been replaced or cleaned in years.
Although line up was not fantastic at end of January, I really miss many beauties from Sharks and I hope it will reopen soon!
I am surprise that the country like Switzerland where it is also strict with things in general let the brothels to be reopened again.Worst is they don't really control, so they are not able to inform people when so many give false information and control spreading, but all is about money for Swiss administration and brothels owners know how to deal with, when a bad guy like me give true information, because if I m ready to take risks, I respect others health. But we know about level of respect for so many businessmen in brothels.
Similar to most countries certain "contact sports" like judo, boxing and wrestling are not allowed in Switzerland, but prostitution is? I don't understand the logic here, as many gyms and sports clubs are also professional business and need customers in order to survive.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-28/swiss-say-sex-work-is-ok-but-not-judo-in-virus-reopeningArguably the authorities are being realistic about the consequences of opening vs continuing the prohibition. Eventually the girls would've starting working illegally, as is already happening in Germany. In any case, Switzerland is not the only country in the region that has reopened the sex business.
Worst is they don't really control, so they are not able to inform people when so many give false information and control spreading, but all is about money for Swiss administration and brothels owners know how to deal with, when a bad guy like me give true information, because if I m ready to take risks, I respect others health. But we know about level of respect for so many businessmen in brothels.Yeah Siri, but truth is there is no way to control beside some bullshits. I agree that money is the only motive behind Switzerland, but that is how that mountain nation always survived history.
So far, no big outbreak in FKK, so let us keep our fingers crossed.
I actually think for fly in monger, actual travelling like airplane, airport, train etc are more dangerous for infecting Covid 19. Lucky you Siri, you drive.
I think it also because of being used to a certain club. I personally feel 'at home' only at Sharks, maybe because it was my first FKK club and I have been there so many times. Level of LU is important of course, but the ambience also play a major role in the whole FKK experience.
Rock.I agree beside the girl, that atmosphere and environment also play a significant role in the FKK.
You will only be in the room with girls for less than one hours for each rounf before going to the next round but you will be spending majority of your time in the bars, restaurant, sauna, for chit chat.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1101-Other-Partytreffs&p=2465820&viewfull=1#post2465820
Yeah Siri, but truth is there is no way to control beside some bullshits. I agree that money is the only motive behind Switzerland, but that is how that mountain nation always survived history.
So far, no big outbreak in FKK, so let us keep our fingers crossed.
I actually think for fly in monger, actual travelling like airplane, airport, train etc are more dangerous for infecting Covid 19. Lucky you Siri, you drive.A bad guy like me, give real name and phone number, for respect for others health. We can see not many respectful guys in brothels, as rare as pandas. After leaving Globe again with no room at 2.30 am, drove under a wall of rain to Vienna but stopped after Swiss German border because in 150 kms I was 3 times over quattro grip and out of track, so it was better to stop, but today I cleaned autobahn through Bavaria, Munchen and Austria to Vienna.
ExpatLover
07-11-20, 21:14
I am 3 times per week in Vienna but I will never go to GT now, the situation is not good, cases are again rising in Moldavia, Romania, Croatia, Albania, Slovenia a lot of girls or guys are coming from those countries, keep safe but don t always believe it will not touch you, just have a loo on what happened on bald and bandrupt a famous you-tuber, young, strong. Who catch the covid and what he went through, this sick is not a joke, a I still believe that visiting a FKK is a high risk.
LeyenLouvain
07-11-20, 22:51
After leaving Globe again with no room at 2.30 am, drove under a wall of rain to Vienna What were you planning in Vienna? Goldentime?
A bad guy like me, give real name and phone number, for respect for others health. We can see not many respectful guys in brothels, as rare as pandas. After leaving Globe again with no room at 2.30 am, drove under a wall of rain to Vienna but stopped after Swiss German border because in 150 kms I was 3 times over quattro grip and out of track, so it was better to stop, but today I cleaned autobahn through Bavaria, Munchen and Austria to Vienna.Driving at 2:30 AM to Vienna? LOL You got some serious energy. The line up that bad at Globe or? So they take names and telephone numbers now at Globe. They check your ID or it is self declared names and number?
Quatro, I am guessing you are driving Audi and you slept in the car in autobahn? Well if so, it is wise idea before getting too tired to drive, it can be dangerous.
HammerTime96
07-12-20, 09:22
....cases are again rising in Moldavia, Romania, Croatia, Albania, Slovenia...Let's assume that one year ago (before CV19), you would start testing people for the regular (flu? Or we start officially recording the number of bee stings? Would you get concerned if "case are again rising?
Merely the number of cases means very little to me.
What matters to me is the Case Fatality Rate, in other words, what is the chance of actually dying. How many people (who were perfectly healthy before getting infected with CV19!) are actually dying because of CV19? Some people with underlying health problems can die of the regular flu, just like some people can die of an allergic reaction because of a bee sting, or some people die (slowly!) because of the horrible food they eat in fast food restaurants. Does this mean we should close down the entire economy and our entire society also for those reasons?
I think we have truly gone mad, and the media is feeding our mass hysteria every day with "cases are again rising!
I am 3 times per week in Vienna but I will never go to GT now, the situation is not good, cases are again rising in Moldavia, Romania, Croatia, Albania, Slovenia a lot of girls or guys are coming from those countries, keep safe but don t always believe it will not touch you, just have a loo on what happened on bald and bandrupt a famous you-tuber, young, strong. Who catch the covid and what he went through, this sick is not a joke, a I still believe that visiting a FKK is a high risk.I will return to Germany as soon as they start allowing Americans in. I think by that time banging in FKKs will be very safe.
Smoke Light
07-12-20, 18:18
I will return to Germany as soon as they start allowing Americans in. I think by that time banging in FKKs will be very safe.As soon as borders open and no quarantine on the way in and on the return back. Hope they don't make travel to Europe contingent on a vaccine, but if they require it, I will get vaccinated. My balls are getting heavier after reading all recent posts about Spain, NL, Austria, and Switzerland. Under normal conditions I would have completed 2 or 3 round trips already. Doesn't look very promising for US mongers at the moment.
I think we have truly gone mad, and the media is feeding our mass hysteria every day with "cases are again rising!My social media feed is again busy with people posting a picture of the leaders of some countries that allegedly failed and others that succeeded. Obviously all the failed countries are ruled by men and the succesful ones by women.
I'd say we'll know if there's a real surge of new cases.
Polyamorist
07-12-20, 21:35
As soon as borders open and no quarantine on the way in and on the return back. Hope they don't make travel to Europe contingent on a vaccine, but if they require it, I will get vaccinated. My balls are getting heavier after reading all recent posts about Spain, NL, Austria, and Switzerland. Under normal conditions I would have completed 2 or 3 round trips already. Doesn't look very promising for US mongers at the moment.Salaam zusammen, just remember sex in Europe isn't limited to the German FKK scene. It is still going on in a lively way in many European cities, it has just been pushed more underground for a few months. There is more variety in Europe, it isn't all locked down by a central government like in the US.
I'm seeing and understanding many Americans are pretty depressed about being locked out of the whole European scene at this time. My heart goes out to you.
One ray of hope though. If you're from Ohio you can still visit Athens, Warsaw, Lisbon, Berlin, Toledo, Marseilles, Dublin, and Oxford.
One ray of hope though. If you're from Ohio you can still visit Athens, Warsaw, Lisbon, Berlin, Toledo, Marseilles, Dublin, and Oxford.And Dresden, and Verona!
What were you planning in Vienna? Goldentime?Yes, Golden time for my beloved Anita at GT Bruggen and what a welcome, like in Bruggen and Sissi did same, she left guy she was with, to come to meet me, when I didn't recognize her yet with her new hair. She really didn't need to be jealous at Bruggen, when I drive nightmare German autobahns to Vienna for her. I m sure best casting at the moment when You love woman types and Anita is interesting for this, when Globe and Wellcum can t compete for such looks and profiles even Karla was a pleasure on last night at Wellcum, only Amesia can sometimes but management is killing business with now too high rates for girls. For 18 yo schoolgirls or Germans, GT Vienna is not the place, even Coralia was a so fresh natural Romanian beauty, just delightful super GFE. Also a real wow Iranian, my first one, reminded me experience in Dubaï with Arabian woman, for a really playful night in Vienna. I drive and pay for this, not to empty balls. Also fast discovery of beautiful Vienna before speeding in A2 curves to Villach, Andiamo still closed, so Wellcum, but not same casting. I could go with 8 looks at GT, only 1 at Wellcum, when no room on my last visits at Globe. My arithmetic.
Driving at 2:30 AM to Vienna? LOL You got some serious energy. The line up that bad at Globe or? So they take names and telephone numbers now at Globe. They check your ID or it is self declared names and number?
Quatro, I am guessing you are driving Audi and you slept in the car in autobahn? Well if so, it is wise idea before getting too tired to drive, it can be dangerous.I made a great plan for 7 days. Worked Wednesday and whole Wednesday to Thursday night. Left Paris on Thursday morning with old beloved with no quattro Audi to make its service, with bicycle and skis inside, around Luxemburg, planning to go to Globe after on evening, but Audi found electric problem and needed to order pieces they couldn t have for Friday, so appointment for next Friday, back to Paris. Changed for new one with bad feeling when You are sporty over grip quattro, as I explain to Audi. Had to make a choice, only took bicycle, then jumping on my Nurburgring RN19 to Zurich. Ate good chili but no room as most often at Globe where girls now don t worth the rate. Told Megan I would go to Vienna at night and did even I was exhausted not finding any wow, but autobahn to St Gallen and around German border was a real swimming pool. Losing grip is not big problem but being out of track on autobahn 3 times in around 150 kms, so I preferred to stop to save the car. Drove through Bavaria to Austria on Saturday under wall of rain, for a day and night as I like to dream, at GT. Vienna at night and on Sunday, to discover. Then a run on A2 curves to Italian border. Unfortunately, Andiamo still closed and no Mila look at Wellcum. Today driving from Udine to Aosta to climb 2420 meters high Gran San Bernardino, then will drive to south of France for highest in Europe, 2802 meters high col de la Bonette tomorrow and 2750 meters high col Agnel on Italian side, the most difficult, on Wednesday, then driving back to Paris on Wednesday night and back to Luxemburg on Friday. Just had to cancel ski in Tignes, when Summer ski is a bit complicated but so frustrated when had no ski on Winter. When many here don t know what mean addiction, a more than 50 bad guy like me know what mean passion, pleasure and resistance. No need for viagra, but oxygen made in blood, doctors say efficient versus virus and girls say: You are stronger than 20 yo guys. Best to come now with my climbing, beauties can t compete.
Our friends are getting restless. How is the German government going to react?
https://news.yahoo.com/hamburg-sex-workers-demand-germanys-100127960.html
Also a real wow Iranian, my first one, reminded me experience in Duba with Arabian woman, for a really playful night in Vienna.
Was the Iranian in GT Vienna? These women from middle East drive me crazy. My fucking reason to want to move to Dubai but fuckep up covid.
One ray of hope though. If you're from Ohio you can still visit Athens, Warsaw, Lisbon, Berlin, Toledo, Marseilles, Dublin, and Oxford.
LOL! Good joke! He doesn't have to be from Ohio though LOL. Maine also has some foreign cities and countries, even including China LOL.
LOL! Good joke! He doesn't have to be from Ohio though LOL. Maine also has some foreign cities and countries, even including China LOL.Yeah, it was absolutely hysterical. I laughed non-stop for 45 mins and almost had to call for oxygen.
Polyamorist
07-14-20, 00:58
Our friends are getting restless. How is the German government going to react?
https://news.yahoo.com/hamburg-sex-workers-demand-germanys-100127960.htmlSad. The Reeperbahn is where the Beatles started out. Perhaps the UN could declare it a World Heritage Site before the German government completely outlaws it. "A threatened cultural area of outstanding value to humanity."
ExpatLover
07-14-20, 04:25
Even they will reopen the business will not be like before, in Switzerland the business is not good for most of the girls, even some are returning to their home countries. Even some of you disagree the risk is high to visit prostitutes, just have a look about what is happening in the US, the covid is completely out of control probably due to a lack of social distancing and also of the mindset of the people, exactly what is happening in a FKK.
Also a real wow Iranian, my first one, reminded me experience in Duba with Arabian woman, for a really playful night in Vienna.
Was the Iranian in GT Vienna? These women from middle East drive me crazy. My fucking reason to want to move to Dubai but fuckep up covid.Yes, at GT Vienna. After 2 rooms, I was thinking to rest a bit at midnight, I thought my visit was well done, but then she passed close to me with her aura, and I forgot to sleep. She knows she is a beauty and she plays with this, but like Arabian women, she has taboos and it was really Interesting game. Having a Arabian woman, when being Caucasian, in Arabian country, may be quite dangerous, even for her life safety.
Sad. The Reeperbahn is where the Beatles started out. Perhaps the UN could declare it a World Heritage Site before the German government completely outlaws it. "A threatened cultural area of outstanding value to humanity."Yeah, brothels are kind of UNESCO level heritage, it is most old occupation in the world and the place where it is provided should be held as sacred ground.
For me, it is my spiritual revitalization center, power spot where I get resurrected. Unfortunately, rest of the society seems to not think the same as me LOL.
Any news when FKK-clubs re-open in Germany?
Austria-clubs opened July 1.
I will go as soon as I can.
Covid-19 = small influence.
Alessandro527
07-14-20, 16:33
Even they will reopen the business will not be like before, in Switzerland the business is not good for most of the girls, even some are returning to their home countries. Even some of you disagree the risk is high to visit prostitutes, just have a look about what is happening in the US, the covid is completely out of control probably due to a lack of social distancing and also of the mindset of the people, exactly what is happening in a FKK.I think that in clubs of Swiss and Austria the clients will be very selective and this is the reason the business is not good as you say.
Same clients but maybe 1-2 selective rooms with girls they know decreasing the risk. The less girls they meet less the risk.
Any news when FKK-clubs re-open in Germany?
Austria-clubs opened July 1.
I will go as soon as I can.
Covid-19 = small influence.Not yet.
It's a fair assumption that it could be August 31 as that was when social distancing was supposed to end. But with the flare-ups, it could be extended until later like the ban on fairs, beer festivals and large groups that will continue until November. What I do know is that it won't be until after August 11 as NRW has extending their emergency until at least that date.
ExpatLover
07-14-20, 19:11
The situation is getting worse in Europe and France will impose the mask in close areas, Hungary put on place new restriction for several countries, including Moldavia, Ukraine, Roumenia. I am not sure the FKK in Germany will open again this year.
Yes, at GT ...but like Arabian women, she has taboos and it was really Interesting game. Having a Arabian woman, when being Caucasian, in Arabian country, may be quite dangerous, even for her life safety.Thank you Siri. No first hand experience in Arab country, I had one Moroccan and one Lebanese in Belgium. Girlfriends.
Taboos. No joy in oral sex for Moroccan, but happy for anal.
Lebanese. Happy for oral and playing with my tool with her small hands, but absolutely no anal. It's never all together, but I had excellent time with both of them, in and out of bed.
It's some magic in Arab Middle East women, curious what would be with Iranian.
Covid fucked me up, and made some changes in my life and attitudes for life.
Will see what's next.
Thanks.
Thank you Siri. No first hand experience in Arab country, I had one Moroccan and one Lebanese in Belgium. Girlfriends.
Taboos. No joy in oral sex for Moroccan, but happy for anal.
Lebanese. Happy for oral and playing with my tool with her small hands, but absolutely no anal. It's never all together, but I had excellent time with both of them, in and out of bed.
It's some magic in Arab Middle East women, curious what would be with Iranian.
Covid fucked me up, and made some changes in my life and attitudes for life.
Will see what's next.
Thanks.My meaning was having relation with Arabian woman in Arabian country can be dangerous and even very dangerous for her.
Sebastiane
07-15-20, 01:59
I made a great plan for 7 days. Worked Wednesday and whole Wednesday to Thursday night. Left Paris on Thursday morning with old beloved with no quattro Audi to make its service, with bicycle and skis inside, around Luxemburg, planning to go to Globe after on evening, but Audi found electric problem and needed to order pieces they couldn t have for Friday, so appointment for next Friday, back to Paris. Changed for new one with bad feeling when You are sporty over grip quattro, as I explain to Audi. Had to make a choice, only took bicycle, then jumping on my Nurburgring RN19 to Zurich. Ate good chili but no room as most often at Globe where girls now don t worth the rate. Told Megan I would go to Vienna at night and did even I was exhausted not finding any wow, but autobahn to St Gallen and around German border was a real swimming pool. Losing grip is not big problem but being out of track on autobahn 3 times in around 150 kms, so I preferred to stop to save the car. Drove through Bavaria to Austria on Saturday under wall of rain, for a day and night as I like to dream, at GT. Vienna at night and on Sunday, to discover. Then a run on A2 curves to Italian border. Unfortunately, Andiamo still closed and no Mila look at Wellcum. Today driving from Udine to Aosta to climb 2420 meters high Gran San Bernardino, then will drive to south of France for highest in Europe, 2802 meters high col de la Bonette tomorrow and 2750 meters high col Agnel on Italian side, the most difficult, on Wednesday, then driving back to Paris on Wednesday night and back to Luxemburg on Friday. Just had to cancel ski in Tignes, when Summer ski is a bit complicated but so frustrated when had no ski on Winter. When many here don t know what mean addiction, a more than 50 bad guy like me know what mean passion, pleasure and resistance. No need for viagra, but oxygen made in blood, doctors say efficient versus virus and girls say: You are stronger than 20 yo guys. Best to come now with my climbing, beauties can t compete.Wow! Your energy and dedication to finding beautiful chic women is amazing! I'd like to make you a proposal. Please send me a Private Message!
Sebastiane
07-15-20, 02:03
GT Vienna? What was the name of the Wow Iranian girl? Middle Eastern girls are beautiful!
My meaning was having relation with Arabian woman in Arabian country can be dangerous and even very dangerous for her.But in FKK we can put our penis into her mouth, pussy and anal LOL. Whatta wonderful world we live in.
My meaning was having relation with Arabian woman in Arabian country can be dangerous and even very dangerous for her.I got your point the first time. I guess this was additional thrill.
Even they will reopen the business will not be like before, in Switzerland the business is not good for most of the girls, even some are returning to their home countries. Even some of you disagree the risk is high to visit prostitutes, just have a look about what is happening in the US, the covid is completely out of control probably due to a lack of social distancing and also of the mindset of the people, exactly what is happening in a FKK.Why risk your lung or even your life for few hours of pleasures. We experienced mongers had our years of beautiful girls pussies one after another, so let lay low this year and may we return strong next year if the virus calm down.
Close your eyes, imagine the days in FKK and make good use of your right or left hand LOL!
I agree. The german FKK land kind of missed the boat. It would have made most sense to open July 1st. Maybe Aug 1. So that we could at least enjoy summer time. There is almost inevitably an autumn wave coming. Then things will be closing down again (I am guessing).
The situation is getting worse in Europe and France will impose the mask in close areas, Hungary put on place new restriction for several countries, including Moldavia, Ukraine, Roumenia. I am not sure the FKK in Germany will open again this year.
I agree. The german FKK land kind of missed the boat. It would have made most sense to open July 1st. Maybe Aug 1. So that we could at least enjoy summer time. There is almost inevitably an autumn wave coming. Then things will be closing down again (I am guessing).I would say, it is better to remain closed instead of open it, then some infection incident happen in FKK, and it gives feminists and related political groups to call for complete shut down of FKK permanently or try to impose some ridiculous rule.
HammerTime96
07-15-20, 14:06
The situation is getting worse in Europe and France will impose the mask in close areas, Hungary put on place new restriction for several countries, including Moldavia, Ukraine, Roumenia. I am not sure the FKK in Germany will open again this year.I absolutely agree! The Germans missed their chance to reopen during the summer, and now it's too late.
In the meantime, neighbouring countries also see a spike in CV19 cases, like Luxemburg which borders to Germany and has quite a few cross border workers: https://delano.lu/d/detail/news/germany-latest-add-luxembourg-risk-list/211051.
The "Second Wave" (real or imagined) is coming, like it or not. The mass media is 'managing the expectations' and every day they write about "5 more cases" here, or "3 more cases" there.
Let's be honest, I think the FKK clubs in Germany is more or less finished, whether because of fear of CV19, whether because of CV19 tracking apps, or whether because of cashless / digital currency. The last two will enable our Big Brother politicians to monitor every visit to FKK clubs. Of course a few naive souls will say "I don't care," but the big majority (needed to make an FKK club financially viable) will stay away.
The "Second Wave" (real or imagined) is coming, like it or not. The mass media is 'managing the expectations' and every day they write about "5 more cases" here, or "3 more cases" there.
Let's be honest, I think the FKK clubs in Germany is more or less finished, whether because of fear of CV19, whether because of CV19 tracking apps, or whether because of cashless / digital currency. The last two will enable our Big Brother politicians to monitor every visit to FKK clubs. Of course a few naive souls will say "I don't care," but the big majority (needed to make an FKK club financially viable) will stay away.The second wave is coming for sure, but it will not be the end of FKK's.
This entire covid-19 thing will ease down as soon as capitalism reforms globally into a new system. With a new set of currencies, and most likely some form of basic income.
GT Vienna? What was the name of the Wow Iranian girl? Middle Eastern girls are beautiful!She works in Vienna since 5 years, no aura like hers at Globe since Kate, when Linda has no aura, just fresh German. Real charm for Iranian before room, I hope she learned about sexuality with me, when she knows she is pretty and play with, but many taboos for her, but from midnight we met when I was thinking to sleep, to 3 am when we finished, magic experience. I drive and pay for this level, when I would not even go for free with I m pretty sure 90% of FKK land WGs and prostitutes images became so boring for me. I look for girls who have look and behave like women.
The second wave is coming for sure, but it will not be the end of FKK's.
This entire covid-19 thing will ease down as soon as capitalism reforms globally into a new system. With a new set of currencies, and most likely some form of basic income.I don't know when, but I'm pretty sure at least some German brothels will reopen one day. Who can blame Germany to try to protect their citizens, when brothels are just high risk to spread virus and kill people.
I don't know when, but I'm pretty sure at least some German brothels will reopen one day. Who can blame Germany to try to protect their citizens, when brothels are just high risk to spread virus and kill people.Of course it will reopen. Because the whole lockdown is essentially a cover up for the financial crisis that started last fall. So as the economy transforms, certain things will reopen.
And then there are things like oil shortage in the coming years like peak oil. Something which would have hit us extremely hard unless the whole world had now stopped traveling so much. And covid 19 does help in reducing that also. So don't expect air travel cost to drop down any time soon.
Covid 19 is similar to the Spanish flu of 1918, the Asian flu of 1957 and the Hong Kong flu of 1968. Those viruses killed millions of people and each lasted for around 2 years. There is no reason to believe that covid 19 will be different. Until 2022 things will be iffy with our hobby. We can all participate, as I am right now, but with a little bit of trepidation. By 2022 things will be back to normal with crowds of working girls and Johns in FKKs. That is until the next pandemic strikes maybe in 2040.
Covid 19 is similar to the Spanish flu of 1918, the Asian flu of 1957 and the Hong Kong flu of 1968. Those viruses killed millions of people and each lasted for around 2 years. There is no reason to believe that covid 19 will be different. Until 2022 things will be iffy with our hobby. We can all participate, as I am right now, but with a little bit of trepidation. By 2022 things will be back to normal with crowds of working girls and Johns in FKKs. That is until the next pandemic strikes maybe in 2040.Only Germany stay closed and to my opinion they are right to be careful, but in Germany You can find escorts, You have a brothel on Aachen border, few close to Swiss border, I adapt and go to visit Vienna or Switzerland, even Spain opened brothels, so FKK land is not closed, and even still enjoyable. Had good girls since mid June and even 2 wow aura when not more than 6/7 wow aura seen since end of 2012 I discovered FKK. Maybe not all, but I m sure clubs like World, Finca will reopen, because they are useful for owners. Girls will move for business.
HammerTime96
07-16-20, 14:11
Of course it will reopen. Because the whole lockdown is essentially a cover up for the financial crisis that started last fall. So as the economy transforms, certain things will reopen.
And then there are things like oil shortage in the coming years like peak oil. Something which would have hit us extremely hard unless the whole world had now stopped traveling so much. And covid 19 does help in reducing that also. So don't expect air travel cost to drop down any time soon.I agree that the economic house of cards we've constructed with huge debts and fiat money is a large factor in amplifying the CV19 "crisis" (so it can be used as an excuse to print enormous amounts of money which is in turn given to banks for 0% interest), but an unpleasant side effect is that there are also many Cultural Marxist elements interwoven in our society today that also want to use CV19 to further their totalitarian agenda. Think things like; digital currency, censorship, restricting freedom of movement, and rescuing "oppressed victims" who work in P6 by outlawing prostitution.
Drastic economic / political changes almost always result into societal changes, think about the Russian Revolution in 1917, the Great Depression (leading to WW2), and the oil shock + stagflation in the 1970's. Both the economic / political and the social part of the world we live in are very closely connected.
To think that life will just continue as normal post-CV19 is incredibly dangerous, complacent and wishful thinking IMO.
There are real freedoms at stake here (digital money, tracking apps, forced vaccination with a 'quick fix' vaccine), and this will not quickly return to normal all by itself once the banks have their 'bail-out' money.
There is no reason to believe that covid 19 will be different. Until 2022 things will be iffy with our hobby. Noooooo 😢😭
ExpatLover
07-16-20, 19:04
Today Austria closed again their boarders to 18 countries as COVID cases increase in the recent days, I think that the next step could be closing the FKK again, this activity is just to dangerous and I am sure clusters will pop up, it is not possible otherwise, very close human contacts, mixing of body fluids, closed rooms and premises, a lot of visitors.
and rescuing "oppressed victims" who work in P6 by outlawing prostitution.Nope, that is the feminist agenda groups. Not the same as the global neo-marxist. The latter has ties to the green movements and green parties, and they actually want to legalize prostitution.
Let us not groups everyone you may disagree with in the same basket now.
Today Austria closed again their boarders to 18 countries as COVID cases increase in the recent days, I think that the next step could be closing the FKK again, this activity is just to dangerous and I am sure clusters will pop up, it is not possible otherwise, very close human contacts, mixing of body fluids, closed rooms and premises, a lot of visitors.What is the source of this recent closing again? Which countries does it concern (I see only news about the re-opening few weeks ago, not about closing again).
What is the source of this recent closing again? Which countries does it concern (I see only news about the re-opening few weeks ago, not about closing again).Romania and Bulgaria may be put under quarantine by Austria and Switzerland. Only temperature controlled at Wellcum and nothing at GT.
Nope, that is the feminist agenda groups. Not the same as the global neo-marxist. The latter has ties to the green movements and green parties, and they actually want to legalize prostitution.
Let us not groups everyone you may disagree with in the same basket now.And we are the neo-monger believes in neo-mongerism and oddly most of society disagree with us and I don't know why LOL!
Today Austria closed again their boarders to 18 countries as COVID cases increase in the recent days, I think that the next step could be closing the FKK again, this activity is just to dangerous and I am sure clusters will pop up, it is not possible otherwise, very close human contacts, mixing of body fluids, closed rooms and premises, a lot of visitors.As far as I can see on instagram, most of Europeans are not following social distancing recommendation, all the famous beaches and tourists attractions are packed with tourists like every other summer.
ExpatLover
07-17-20, 09:37
Official government Website:15 July: Direct flights from the following countries are not allowed to land in Austria: Egypt, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Iran, Kosovo, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Sweden, Serbia, Ukraine, United Kingdom, China, Belarus.
Alessandro527
07-17-20, 18:09
As far as I can see on instagram, most of Europeans are not following social distancing recommendation, all the famous beaches and tourists attractions are packed with tourists like every other summer.It is not like every summer but yes social distancing and mask wearing is not followed everywhere. No tourists in Roma, a second wave is coming or is already here.
I don't see any FKK opening in 2020.
Alessandro527
07-17-20, 18:17
Official government Website:15 July: Direct flights from the following countries are not allowed to land in Austria: Egypt, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Iran, Kosovo, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Sweden, Serbia, Ukraine, United Kingdom, China, Belarus.No problem for Romanian girls, they will make fake working papers and find a way to travel like they did in Germany and Holland.
No problem for Romanian girls, they will make fake working papers and find a way to travel like they did in Germany and Holland.I have already posted that many FKK girls are heading to the sunshine of Spain and I suspect other countries. Only 3 deaths and a handful of cases in the South of Spain in 1 week. They work by night and sunbathe by day. They earn minimum €120 p / hour and maybe up to €170 p / hour after paying the club. They need not get fucked by 15 guys to make their money and the only restriction is that on the way to the beach they wear a facemask. No big deal. In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain.
It matters not if Austria gets closed. There are other (warmer) options. I fully understand Germany likes to play safe. But the insistence on keeping brothels closed is going to slowly kill them all and the ladies will just follow where the work and money is.
I love visiting FKKs. But I fear if they remain closed for even one month more it will finish them off for good. The girls I spoke to who moved to work in Spain say they would never return whenever Germany opens. If the German government wants to adopt the Nordic model it is playing this well. If it wants €millions of taxes from prostitution in Germany it is truly making dreadful mistakes. For sure, lives and safety are paramount. But the numbers in Germany are no worse than in Spain. I genuinely think the clock is ticking on FKKs.
I have already posted that many FKK girls are heading to the sunshine of Spain and I suspect other countries. Only 3 deaths and a handful of cases in the South of Spain in 1 week. They work by night and sunbathe by day. They earn minimum 120 p / hour and maybe up to 170 p / hour after paying the club. They need not get fucked by 15 guys to make their money and the only restriction is that on the way to the beach they wear a facemask. No big deal. In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain.Can you name any specific girls from "Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain?" No specifics? A name or two would add great credibility. Credibility is of value, we all agree.
I have already posted that many FKK girls are heading to the sunshine of Spain and I suspect other countries. Only 3 deaths and a handful of cases in the South of Spain in 1 week. They work by night and sunbathe by day. They earn minimum 120 p / hour and maybe up to 170 p / hour after paying the club. They need not get fucked by 15 guys to make their money and the only restriction is that on the way to the beach they wear a facemask. No big deal. In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain.Can you name any specific girls from "Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain?" No specifics? A name or two would add great credibility. Credibility is of value, we all agree. The Devil is in the details, ja?
I have already posted that many FKK girls are heading to the sunshine of Spain and I suspect other countries. Only 3 deaths and a handful of cases in the South of Spain in 1 week. They work by night and sunbathe by day. They earn minimum 120 p / hour and maybe up to 170 p / hour after paying the club. They need not get fucked by 15 guys to make their money and the only restriction is that on the way to the beach they wear a facemask. No big deal. In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain.
It matters not if Austria gets closed. There are other (warmer) options. I fully understand Germany likes to play safe. But the insistence on keeping brothels closed is going to slowly kill them all and the ladies will just follow where the work and money is.
I love visiting FKKs. But I fear if they remain closed for even one month more it will finish them off for good. The girls I spoke to who moved to work in Spain say they would never return whenever Germany opens. If the German government wants to adopt the Nordic model it is playing this well. If it wants millions of taxes from prostitution in Germany it is truly making dreadful mistakes. For sure, lives and safety are paramount. But the numbers in Germany are no worse than in Spain. I genuinely think the clock is ticking on FKKs.I have to disagree a little bit, respectfully.
First, not all mongers are itching to go back to the clubs. Many Americans are genuinely concerned about their own health and safety probably, me being one. I would not be visiting any clubs even if the clubs were open this minute. I am staying away from even my sugar babes due to health concerns, and those are girls I can fuck any time w / o having to travel right near my home.
Also, some ex FKK girls may be in Spain, but not all, not even the most. Good for them that some of them are having a good time and a nice boost to their income. We will see what they do if / when we return to normalcy, whatever normalcy means. I think the supply / demand characteristic is very weird at the moment. Not all the erstwhile mongers are in the market, neither are all the ex German prostitutes. So, we have a very skewed balance. One example is in the US where clearly many millions lost jobs but many businesses are also not able to hire who and as many as they want to because a lot of people are getting free checks from the government, many employees are scared to work due to fear of covid etc.
We would only know what is the true supply demand balance when the travel restrictions are lifted the world over, people are no longer scared, there is a vaccine, etc. Then we will know which girls will return to DE, who will truly want to stay back in Spain, and what not. Until then, what these girls say is really just their emotions speaking in the moment and it is not as if they are not known to ever change their mind.
If the implication is that due to the willingness of Spain and a few other places to be slightly more relaxed on rules that there is a permanent realignment of mongering destinations for girls and guys, that is a bit premature thing to say, in my humble opinion.
Thank you.
It is not like every summer but yes social distancing and mask wearing is not followed everywhere. No tourists in Roma, a second wave is coming or is already here.
I don't see any FKK opening in 2020.Yeah, I think they should have closed beach resorts, people are all over as if they want to get back lost time during lock down. Let see how that turns out. It takes everyone's cooperation to stop this, but it is not the mindset of many people to cooperate. If they don't, all the lock down and tears shared by small business owners will be for nothing.
FKK would be the last as it already was most criticized industry by society even though it is one of the most important industry for us mongers LOL.
The girls I spoke to who moved to work in Spain say they would never return whenever Germany opens
These girls do not understand the basic law in economics. If many FKKs girls are moving to Spain there will soon be an oversupply. They will come back when the supply is much higher than demand.
The customers of many FKK in Germany are not only local people in Germany but many are also coming from neighbouring countries doing a day trip to German FKK, especially during the weekend.
But I agree some FKKs owner might not be able to sustain loss and is finally going bankrupt if the FKK cannot be open soon.
Let's assume that one year ago (before CV19), you would start testing people for the regular (flu? Or we start officially recording the number of bee stings? Would you get concerned if "case are again rising?
Merely the number of cases means very little to me.
What matters to me is the Case Fatality Rate, in other words, what is the chance of actually dying. How many people (who were perfectly healthy before getting infected with CV19!) are actually dying because of CV19? Some people with underlying health problems can die of the regular flu, just like some people can die of an allergic reaction because of a bee sting, or some people die (slowly!) because of the horrible food they eat in fast food restaurants. Does this mean we should close down the entire economy and our entire society also for those reasons?
I think we have truly gone mad, and the media is feeding our mass hysteria every day with "cases are again rising!
The difference between COVID-19 infection and flu virus infection is that, this virus will attack your lung. Even you manage to recover, to some extend, it might still damage your lung. The damaged lung is irreversible.
Can you name any specific girls from "Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain?" No specifics? A name or two would add great credibility. Credibility is of value, we all agree. The Devil is in the details, ja?At "PFI": Please back up your post with some specific details. You said in a definitive manner that there are girls from Sharks and Oase working in Spain clubs. Okay: who and where specifically? Sweeping general statements give little fruit. The proof is in the pudding, yes? So thanks so much for showing us your cards.
Interesting responses guys. And of course I respect all views. Den Haag, perfectly reasonable to ask for names. So, a week last Friday, in E92, Maria, Blonde Ro, short, body 7/10 deep blue eyes, worked in Oase in 2017. When I saw her she asked if I remembered her and I said I did but did not remember her in E92. I thought I had seen her in one of the Madrid clubs. She reminded me we had sessioned in room 28 (one of the two big rooms by the jacuzzi downstairs in Oase) where we had a threesome with Elizabeth (Hungary with the big natural boobs). I had forgotten! She pointed out a brunette Romanian girl in E92 who I think was Denisa (who I had not seen at Oase but Maria said she worked there too. I recognised blonde Jenny from Artemis. Though I never roomed with her, she always stood at the far end of the bar from the entrance to the bar at Artemis. Very tall, always worse big red glasses and spoke with an American accent though she is Romanian. We said Hi. She was one who said she wouldn't return to Germany.
Pessimist, totally respect your personal decision that you would not monger presently. It is very much that. A personal decision. Not for a moment do I suggest ALL FKK girls will go to Spain. Far from it. I merely make the point that whilst Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, Spain and other countries have allowed brothels to re-open, the decision to keep them closed in Germany will very seriously impact their future. Girls who have never previously worked outside Germany will see that it is possible to make as much money without having to be fucked for 50/30 for hours on end. And possibly in nicer environments and / or climates.
Adindas. As above. I don't believe all FKK girls will flock to Spain. But the girls will go to wherever they can to earn money be that Amsterdam, Brussels, Spain, Austria, Zurich or wherever. I have little doubt that the big FKKs will survive. And to be clear. I really HOPE they do! I love going to FKKs. More than mongering anywhere else. I just think the policy of keeping them closed when the rest of Europe has opened up brothels is financially dangerous for the FKKs.
PinballMachine
07-18-20, 09:22
In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain..Which 3 clubs?
ExpatLover
07-18-20, 10:26
Interesting responses guys. And of course I respect all views. Den Haag, perfectly reasonable to ask for names. So, a week last Friday, in E92, Maria, Blonde Ro, short, body 7/10 deep blue eyes, worked in Oase in 2017. When I saw her she asked if I remembered her and I said I did but did not remember her in E92. I thought I had seen her in one of the Madrid clubs. She reminded me we had sessioned in room 28 (one of the two big rooms by the jacuzzi downstairs in Oase) where we had a threesome with Elizabeth (Hungary with the big natural boobs). I had forgotten! She pointed out a brunette Romanian girl in E92 who I think was Denisa (who I had not seen at Oase but Maria said she worked there too. I recognized blonde Jenny from Artemis. Though I never roomed with her, she always stood at the far end of the bar from the entrance to the bar at Artemis. Very tall, always worse big red glasses and spoke with an American accent though she is Romanian. We said Hi. She was one who said she wouldn't return to Germany.
Pessimist, totally respect your personal decision that you would not monger presently. It is very much that. A personal decision. Not for a moment do I suggest ALL FKK girls will go to Spain. Far from it. I merely make the point that whilst Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, Spain and other countries have allowed brothels to re-open, the decision to keep them closed in Germany will very seriously impact their future. Girls who have never previously worked outside Germany will see that it is possible to make as much money without having to be fucked for 50/30 for hours on end. And possibly in nicer environments and / or climates.
Adindas. As above. I don't believe all FKK girls will flock to Spain. But the girls will go to wherever they can to earn money be that Amsterdam, Brussels, Spain, Austria, Zurich or wherever. I have little doubt that the big FKKs will survive. And to be clear. I really HOPE they do! I love going to FKKs. More than mongering anywhere else. I just think the policy of keeping them closed when the rest of Europe has opened up brothels is financially dangerous for the FKK.
The girls are perfectly aware about what is happening in the other countries, just Austria and Germany FKK are at the same level, in Spain there are a lot of mafia guys around, in Switzerland the girls are mostly under huge pressure from the owners even to accept anal sex. Bruxelles is also dangerous.
HammerTime96
07-18-20, 10:34
These girls do not understand the basic law in economics. If many FKKs girls are moving to Spain there will soon be an oversupply. They will come back when the supply is much higher than demand.
The customers of many FKK in Germany are not only local people in Germany but many are also coming from neighbouring countries doing a day trip to German FKK, especially during the weekend.
But I agree some FKKs owner might not be able to sustain loss and is finally going bankrupt if the FKK cannot be open soon.I agree, and don't forget that many visitors to Germany are business people (= have money) because Germany is an industrial country, and they combine business with some pleasure. This is basically what I do, but my company doesn't have business in Spain or the same volume of business in Austria and Switzerland. The FKK clubs in Switzerland will of course attracts many rich people from the financial industry, but overall a country needs to meet a couple of conditions in order for an FKK club to survive;.
1) a legal framework, legalizing prostitution.
2) a rich customer base, either locals or many rich visitors.
These two conditions will attract the girls, and Germany and Switzerland still hold the best cards.
Anyway, with each week and month going by, I think the chances of German FKK clubs opening again is getting smaller and smaller, because cases are again rising and it's not even autumn-winter yet.
I think ventilation is key, and I would have had no problem visiting Sharks or GT during the summer, spend many hours outside, fucking in an outdoor area or a cabin with the door open, the doors to the restaurant area wide open allowing fresh air to ventilate the entire club area. But visiting in the winter? Doors closed? Heavy air, full of cigarette smoke? Stuffy and poorly ventilated rooms upstairs at Sharks? Even more stuffy rooms underneath the aquarium? Small and busy lounge area in GT? No way I will be visiting Sharks or GT, unless the health authorities (RKI in Germany) + Sharks / GT management will seriously start to look into improving and upgrading the HVAC (Heating, Ventilating, Air Conditioning) systems with special filters that can kill the virus!
Interesting responses guys. And of course I respect all views. Den Haag, perfectly reasonable to ask for names. So, a week last Friday, in E92, Maria, Blonde Ro, short, body 7/10 deep blue eyes, worked in Oase in 2017. When I saw her she asked if I remembered her and I said I did but did not remember her in E92. I thought I had seen her in one of the Madrid clubs. She reminded me we had sessioned in room 28 (one of the two big rooms by the jacuzzi downstairs in Oase) where we had a threesome with Elizabeth (Hungary with the big natural boobs). I had forgotten! She pointed out a brunette Romanian girl in E92 who I think was Denisa (who I had not seen at Oase but Maria said she worked there too. I recognised blonde Jenny from Artemis. Though I never roomed with her, she always stood at the far end of the bar from the entrance to the bar at Artemis. Very tall, always worse big red glasses and spoke with an American accent though she is Romanian. We said Hi. She was one who said she wouldn't return to Germany.
Pessimist, totally respect your personal decision that you would not monger presently. It is very much that. A personal decision. Not for a moment do I suggest ALL FKK girls will go to Spain. Far from it. I merely make the point that whilst Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, Spain and other countries have allowed brothels to re-open, the decision to keep them closed in Germany will very seriously impact their future. Girls who have never previously worked outside Germany will see that it is possible to make as much money without having to be fucked for 50/30 for hours on end. And possibly in nicer environments and / or climates.
Adindas. As above. I don't believe all FKK girls will flock to Spain. But the girls will go to wherever they can to earn money be that Amsterdam, Brussels, Spain, Austria, Zurich or wherever. I have little doubt that the big FKKs will survive. And to be clear. I really HOPE they do! I love going to FKKs. More than mongering anywhere else. I just think the policy of keeping them closed when the rest of Europe has opened up brothels is financially dangerous for the FKKs.I think there maybe owner change, but big FKK will be there, just with different owner who buy it for cheaper price.
However, if the property is not rented and bought, I think to sustain FKK during lock down is not too much, like let say Artemis, how many employees are there? Maybe 20 to 30 max, security, cleaning lady, receptionist, medical doctor, masseuse, bartenders, some administrative staffs and that is about it. Girls do not work for clubs, but also are guests like us. So no income, but not too much expense. Also no cost for light, water etc as I believe the place is shut.
NRW Germans are trying Globe, like Tara, Melina. Silicon and tattooed Melika is at 6 ens NL. A so pretty face from Artemis for me at Globe.
If still open, business should be down in Spain on end of September.
And we are the neo-monger believes in neo-mongerism and oddly most of society disagree with us and I don't know why LOL!I blame it on widespread erectile problems, and ugly feminist women.
Nope, that is the feminist agenda groups. Not the same as the global neo-marxist. The latter has ties to the green movements and green parties, and they actually want to legalize prostitution............I never thought that I would like Marxism.
.............First, not all mongers are itching to go back to the clubs. Many Americans are genuinely concerned about their own health and safety probably, me being one. I would not be visiting any clubs even if the clubs were open this minute. I am staying away from even my sugar babes due to health concerns, and those are girls I can fuck any time w / o having to travel right near my home...........You have very strong will power. When I returned home from Germany in the middle of March I vowed to abstain from sex until the catastrophe is over. My abstinence lasted for about two weeks. Sigh.
Pessimist, totally respect your personal decision that you would not monger presently. It is very much that. A personal decision. Not for a moment do I suggest ALL FKK girls will go to Spain. Far from it. I merely make the point that whilst Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, Spain and other countries have allowed brothels to re-open, the decision to keep them closed in Germany will very seriously impact their future. Girls who have never previously worked outside Germany will see that it is possible to make as much money without having to be fucked for 50/30 for hours on end. And possibly in nicer environments and / or climates.
Adindas. As above. I don't believe all FKK girls will flock to Spain. But the girls will go to wherever they can to earn money be that Amsterdam, Brussels, Spain, Austria, Zurich or wherever. I have little doubt that the big FKKs will survive. And to be clear. I really HOPE they do! I love going to FKKs. More than mongering anywhere else. I just think the policy of keeping them closed when the rest of Europe has opened up brothels is financially dangerous for the FKKs.Spain is experiencing another massive wave of new cases, in part because they have chosen to allow (mostly drunk) brits back into the country without any quarantine requirements. In my view, Germany policy will be turn out to be the best and they will find a way to re-open FKK in a safe environment.
Rock.
NRW Germans are trying Globe, like Tara, Melina. Silicon and tattooed Melika is at 6 ens NL. A so pretty face from Artemis for me at Globe.
If still open, business should be down in Spain on end of September.When some GT German girls are now working and not the prettiest, for 140/30 at Globe, even Germans are used to respect rules, but I wonder how they will accept everything for only 50/30 and old fat going to cry on desk, when GT will reopen. Linda telling about cheap business at YY NL where also 50/30 but no desk to listen to old fat crying. But some didn't make enough business to stay in Switzerland.
You have very strong will power. When I returned home from Germany in the middle of March I vowed to abstain from sex until the catastrophe is over. My abstinence lasted for about two weeks. Sigh.Are you using SA or going for local escorts. Just curious. Do people think it's safer to take visiting girls or local girls. We are seeing an influx in the NW of visiting Russian girls. Clearly brought in by the same group as the ads are so closely similar but nonetheless each ad somehow pretends the girl is INDIE and jsut happened to discover Seattle or Vancouver.
ExpatLover
07-18-20, 17:52
But sorry guys to you really believe that the German government cares about the reopening of the FKK, visiting prostitutes and being safe is not compatible or please explain to me how so many medical staffs are infected even they take a lot of safety measures.
For me I will not visit any prostitutes in the coming months or years until the safety is back, I am not stupid, first of all I am extremely selective so I think there are few real, natural beauties now in the FKK just because those girls don't need to take risk for their health, second since I reduced drastically (2017) my spending on P6 my finances are so much better.
You have very strong will power. When I returned home from Germany in the middle of March I vowed to abstain from sex until the catastrophe is over. My abstinence lasted for about two weeks. Sigh.I have a family, which is a constraining factor. Not truly any will power; but we are distancing now and it would be tough to cover up a Covid infection and also not a risk I want to expose them to. It is different from say, if I got an STD which I can fix quietly by seeing a doctor. I would be doing as you did if I was single haha. If you are seeing escorts regularly, you may already be infected and safe for now. Did you get an antibody test?
Which 3 clubs?Estark 92 Fuengirola (posted twice in the forum), Fontana (LOS Barrios) posted a report, and now Scandalos. Hope that answers the question.
Spain is experiencing another massive wave of new cases, in part because they have chosen to allow (mostly drunk) brits back into the country without any quarantine requirements. In my view, Germany policy will be turn out to be the best and they will find a way to re-open FKK in a safe environment.
Rock.I'm sorry but this is just factually wrong. There is no "massive" wave of new cases at all. Spain had 4 deaths on Thursday, Germany had 3. See Worldometers. Spain has had new waves in Galatia (north) and Sergia (Catalunia). The reports in Madrid and Costa Del Sol (where most of the clubs are) are that the virus is under control.
Mask are mandatory everywhere. Including in the clubs. Big fines if no mask.
The drunk Brits hit Magauluf and got it closed. You are of course entitled to your view, but I'm sorry to say that many FKKs just will not survive being closed for so long. The big clubs will survive on past profits. Many of the smaller clubs which were hand to mouth monthly just will not make it through.
And Spain is seeing a rise (as many countries are) but it is not "massive" and it is very much under control and far less serious than the spikes in other parts of the World. Mongering in Spain is virtually unrestricted presently, ditto Holland, ditto Switzerland. It is only really in Germany (and now Austria) where panic is causing businesses to close.
I blame it on widespread erectile problems, and ugly feminist women.Mongers and related industries always has been central core of criticism by many entities or more like by almost all society, they do not like what we do buddy, but we love what we do LOL! And fair to say, we are living much better sex life than most men ever lived, so let us strive to live even better sex life till the day we kick our bucket. We mongers are on the right path LOL!
HammerTime96
07-19-20, 10:28
Spain is experiencing another massive wave of new cases, in part because they have chosen to allow (mostly drunk) brits back into the country without any quarantine requirements. In my view, Germany policy will be turn out to be the best and they will find a way to re-open FKK in a safe environment.
Rock.As I said before, the media is scaremongering all these "cases," but very little gets reported about how many of those "cases" are actually doing. Are these "cases" sitting at home feeling fine? Are these "cases" displaying mild flu-like symptoms? Or are those "cases" requiring hospitalization, intensive care or are dying?
I'm not a big fan of Fox News, but they uncovered a story that in Florida some young motorcyclist died, and they registered him as "Covid 19 fatality."
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6172729844001#sp=show-clips.
This is how they manipulate and scare you. So once again: how many of those "cases" are actually in serious condition?
You seem to know very little about German policy. Are you German, do you speak the language, or do you frequently visit German? As I also wrote about before, Germany still has vert strict distancing laws, many people wear masks, even drinking a coffee on a terrace outside or walking into a McD and asking for a 'coffee-to-go' requires you to fill out a contact form, mask-wearing is mandatory in shops and office buildings, gyms-fitness centres (physical activities) still have many restrictions, and we are now living in the summer where it's nice weather and windows (fresh virus-free air can enter buildings) are open.
I simply don't see how this can improve during the winter.
Are you using SA or going for local escorts. Just curious. Do people think it's safer to take visiting girls or local girls. We are seeing an influx in the NW of visiting Russian girls. Clearly brought in by the same group as the ads are so closely similar but nonetheless each ad somehow pretends the girl is INDIE and jsut happened to discover Seattle or Vancouver.Non-pros and SA have not worked for me. NYC escorts all the way. Too many are overweight, I miss my slim Romanians. Sigh.
I have a family, which is a constraining factor. Not truly any will power; but we are distancing now and it would be tough to cover up a Covid infection and also not a risk I want to expose them to. It is different from say, if I got an STD which I can fix quietly by seeing a doctor. I would be doing as you did if I was single haha. If you are seeing escorts regularly, you may already be infected and safe for now. Did you get an antibody test?When I was in Brazil last year I got a nasty infection in November which had the symptoms of covid-19, I put it down to normal influenza and took the necessary medication, I was unable to monger for two weeks. Since then I've been doing fine and have not gotten tested.
HammerTime96
07-19-20, 17:55
I have a family, which is a constraining factor. Not truly any will power; but we are distancing now and it would be tough to cover up a Covid infection and also not a risk I want to expose them to. It is different from say, if I got an STD which I can fix quietly by seeing a doctor. I would be doing as you did if I was single haha. If you are seeing escorts regularly, you may already be infected and safe for now. Did you get an antibody test?I totally fail to see any logic in your thinking.
CV19 like a common cold or a flu and you can catch it everywhere even from visiting a supermarket so it's easy to make up an excuse, but an STD is only transmitted via sex (hence the name sexually transmitted disease) and therefore a lot harder to explain to or hide from a wife / partner / family.
I have already posted that many FKK girls are heading to the sunshine of Spain and I suspect other countries. Only 3 deaths and a handful of cases in the South of Spain in 1 week. They work by night and sunbathe by day. They earn minimum 120 p / hour and maybe up to 170 p / hour after paying the club. They need not get fucked by 15 guys to make their money and the only restriction is that on the way to the beach they wear a facemask. No big deal. In the past week I've met girls I saw in Oase, Sharks and now Artemis in 3 clubs in Spain.
It matters not if Austria gets closed. There are other (warmer) options. I fully understand Germany likes to play safe. But the insistence on keeping brothels closed is going to slowly kill them all and the ladies will just follow where the work and money is.
I love visiting FKKs. But I fear if they remain closed for even one month more it will finish them off for good. The girls I spoke to who moved to work in Spain say they would never return whenever Germany opens. If the German government wants to adopt the Nordic model it is playing this well. If it wants millions of taxes from prostitution in Germany it is truly making dreadful mistakes. For sure, lives and safety are paramount. But the numbers in Germany are no worse than in Spain. I genuinely think the clock is ticking on FKKs.Spain is warmer. So, it is easier for the girls to work year round. However, there is much more money in Germany if the messes reopens. That is the real issue. Even if the clubs reopens, there is not enough business without the messe crowdes to keep the big clubs full. Clubs are not so easy to retrofit. If one fails, a person just buys the place and reopens. The issue is if there are enough girls to stock the place and get the customers to come. The demand is there. No many mongers give up the lifestyle unless they are out of money or just too old.
I totally fail to see any logic in your thinking.
CV19 like a common cold or a flu and you can catch it everywhere even from visiting a supermarket so it's easy to make up an excuse, but an STD is only transmitted via sex (hence the name sexually transmitted disease) and therefore a lot harder to explain to or hide from a wife / partner / family.I fully understand him to be careful to protect his family when brothels are real playfield for spreading virus. I m always amazed many Germans go to fuck AO before returning to wife. Great respect for wife health, when a bad guy like me give real name and phone at Globe, even no ID control, but if I take risks for me, I want to be informed if risk, not to kill too many people I meet who don t deserve to get sick or die because I visit brothels and behave with no respect for others. On this time, can see who are real respectful, rather than many only blabla.
Even far better way of life with more sun, better foods, but if Germany reopen, but still virus and confined places in Germany or like wonderful Barcelona, most girls will leave Spanish way of life but low business in most places, to return to Germany business when Germany is European big brothel. Not much business in Spain after holidays.
I know a club with great real Slavians speaking fluent Russian, for 70/30, in Catalunya, most often empty. You feel sultan of harem there, same like at Amesia or Aphrodisia Zurich. Had great times with so fresh and passionate girls looking and behaving like normal women and really woman types.
ExpatLover
07-19-20, 19:29
Reply EL: which millions of taxes are you speaking about, most of the girls are cheating and strongly under declare their income. Most of them are not German and so too are the owner, really 0 impact on the German economy. Knowing that when the guys are not in the FKK may be they go to the restaurant with the GF or spouse may be even a positive impact for Germany.
I totally fail to see any logic in your thinking.
CV19 like a common cold or a flu and you can catch it everywhere even from visiting a supermarket so it's easy to make up an excuse, but an STD is only transmitted via sex (hence the name sexually transmitted disease) and therefore a lot harder to explain to or hide from a wife / partner / family.I don't want to disclose too many personal details for obvious reasons but as I said, we are distancing very strictly. Grocery delivery, thorough cleaning, all that. The lifestyle I have keeps me pretty safe, almost zero interaction with outsiders. I don't know if I agree with you on STDs. Cross fingers nothing yet in my case, but unless it is HIV, I can quietly pay some doc and get it fixed as long as sexually staying away from spouse for a couple of weeks (which you can do with some lame excuses).
Mongers and related industries always has been central core of criticism by many entities or more like by almost all society, they do not like what we do buddy, but we love what we do LOL! And fair to say, we are living much better sex life than most men ever lived, so let us strive to live even better sex life till the day we kick our bucket. We mongers are on the right path LOL!The jealousy goes as far back as to the beginning of religion itself, and from when the 'angels' came down to fuck with human women. As seen in all religions since old Sumeria. So it is kinda based on racism too.
The jealousy goes as far back as to the beginning of religion itself, and from when the 'angels' came down to fuck with human women. As seen in all religions since old Sumeria. So it is kinda based on racism too.Yeah, I as a monger believe in one thing and one thing only, young beautiful girls pussies, one after another LOL. That is one of very few things that keep me alive and keep me going as a driving force in my life. For many other things, it does not convince me or I got bored, so over it, but somehow new beautiful girls pussies are always revitalizing and new to me!
I fully understand him to be careful to protect his family when brothels are real playfield for spreading virus. I m always amazed many Germans go to fuck AO before returning to wife. Great respect for wife health, when a bad guy like me give real name and phone at Globe, even no ID control, but if I take risks for me, I want to be informed if risk, not to kill too many people I meet who don t deserve to get sick or die because I visit brothels and behave with no respect for others. On this time, can see who are real respectful, rather than many only blabla.I never got to go to AO clubs before it was banned by law, but I always wonder how STD did not spread rapidly in major scale at those AO clubs. Or they made the law specially targeting AO clubs, so maybe there were some incidents.
If girls are stunners there, it would have been paradise for mongers, but with some risks.
Spain is warmer. So, it is easier for the girls to work year round. However, there is much more money in Germany if the messes reopens. That is the real issue. Even if the clubs reopens, there is not enough business without the messe crowdes to keep the big clubs full. Clubs are not so easy to retrofit. If one fails, a person just buys the place and reopens. The issue is if there are enough girls to stock the place and get the customers to come. The demand is there. No many mongers give up the lifestyle unless they are out of money or just too old.I think once man begin to monger in right way in right place like German FKK, there is no coming back. I have been mongering for over 22 years now since I was age 17 or 18, so I am not bored, but had enough young beautiful pussies as I wanted, but I am not over it, even though I am used to beautiful girls, I still long for it.
Mongering in right way is the flight to heaven with no return. Sometimes, I am not even sure I want to fuck, but it still drive me to go back to FKK or escort. Once man learn how to provide himself with young beautiful girls pussies as he request, it is the beginning of never ending hobby.
I will always go back to German or Swiss FKK forever.
PaulInZurich
07-20-20, 14:42
The jealousy goes as far back as to the beginning of religion itself, and from when the 'angels' came down to fuck with human women. As seen in all religions since old Sumeria.Pretty much everything in ancient Greek mythology involves some god fucking a human at some point.
............ No many mongers give up the lifestyle unless they are out of money or just too old.Lack of money is an obvious reason to give up mongering, another reason is getting into a serious monogamous relationship but I don't think mongers give up the lifestyle because they are too old. Many years ago some work mates of mine told me that a guy (a lawyer) close to 90 years old who worked in an office not too far from ours visited brothels. They said that he only did cunnilingus. Don't ask me how they knew that. I had no reason to doubt them though.
I will always go back to German or Swiss FKK forever.Me too, if they ever open again in Germany. And I am honestly beginning to wonder about whether it is IF and not WHEN. Great way to enjoy sex but increasingly thinking the huge delay behind other countries with worse CV19 problems hides a bigger picture about FKKs in Germany.
Me too, if they ever open again in Germany. And I am honestly beginning to wonder about whether it is IF and not WHEN. Great way to enjoy sex but increasingly thinking the huge delay behind other countries with worse CV19 problems hides a bigger picture about FKKs in Germany.I mean, nightclubs are also not allowed to open in Germany right now. If those open without clubs opening, that's when I would start to worry.
I never got to go to AO clubs before it was banned by law, but I always wonder how STD did not spread rapidly in major scale at those AO clubs. Or they made the law specially targeting AO clubs, so maybe there were some incidents.
If girls are stunners there, it would have been paradise for mongers, but with some risks.If you have sex without protection, it is just a matter of time before you get a STD. Most people keep it quiet. The risks are substantial. Even in FKKs, the girls are always taking some form or antibiotics.
I never got to go to AO clubs before it was banned by law, but I always wonder how STD did not spread rapidly in major scale at those AO clubs. Or they made the law specially targeting AO clubs, so maybe there were some incidents.
If girls are stunners there, it would have been paradise for mongers, but with some risks.New German law forbidden AO sex, new law was also to protect German wives, but low level RTC with ugly girls with bad teeth still existed after 1 July 2017, Germans going to have sex with Bulgarians fucked AO 10 times per day, before returning to respect wife. We don't all have same meaning of respect in brothels land.
Me too, if they ever open again in Germany. And I am honestly beginning to wonder about whether it is IF and not WHEN. Great way to enjoy sex but increasingly thinking the huge delay behind other countries with worse CV19 problems hides a bigger picture about FKKs in Germany.Since I found FKK, I always appreciated the existence of such platform. It is combined of german liberalism and german organization. What I love about FKK platform is that, in some part, FKK serves as secret place for young former normal girls (some of them) to make quick big money in few months, at least we used to have some walk in girls just for summer holidays, we still do, but much less now.
However, I know some girls who worked in FKK and now quit and actually studying in university, so for some of them, FKK is the secret place to make quick big cash to continue with their normal life after with more money in their bank account.
Additionally, we often still get walk in escort girls during their low season. It is pretty high end escort girls as they promote themselves in room with their escort agency's website. For me, it is seeing girls before I fuck, which attract me. Of course, I get it bit cheaper than escort agencies even after escort girls in FKK up sell a bit, but for me to see the girls I fuck before is the biggest plus for me, not so much the price difference.
I fortunately went to FKK earlier this year, and realistically with how this virus is going, I do not think I will go again this year, but I did monger properly this year already and I am looking forward to my come back sometimes next year. I am Japanese, so I can enter Europe for awhile now, but I do not want to risk my lung because of fucking girls and I fucked more than enough young beautiful girls already, so I am quite OK with it LOL!
FKK, escort and doing mongering in finest level efficiently is big mental support for me as a man because I am in position where already fucked so many young beautiful girls already throughout my life, and this fact keep me so calm and satisfied. It is good thing for man to be at this mental state in life because it is women which get you in life and I do not have this problem.
I give thanks and praises for all the stake holders in mongering industry, whether it is girls in FKK, escort girls, brothel owners, mongers, forum owners, other mongers, pimps or who ever stake holders maybe. We are all part of this mongering life cycle and it is important to keep this cycle keep on going for well being of us monger's life.
Even I am satisfied and feel such a satisfaction with my sex life, what wonderful about mongering in right way is that still each time I meet new young beautiful girl I am about to fuck, I still have this butterfly in my stomach. I had enough with fucking so many beautiful girls, but I never get enough of it because each time it is brand new beautiful pussies, ass, anal, tits, beautiful face etc. It is wonderful way to live! And I am so glad I met mongering since I was age 17 or 18.
Lack of money is an obvious reason to give up mongering, another reason is getting into a serious monogamous relationship but I don't think mongers give up the lifestyle because they are too old. Many years ago some work mates of mine told me that a guy (a lawyer) close to 90 years old who worked in an office not too far from ours visited brothels. They said that he only did cunnilingus. Don't ask me how they knew that. I had no reason to doubt them though.By the time we are old, there will be more better, safer, yet powerful medicine than viagra etc. , so we do not need to worry about older days. Just be sure to be healthy financially and physically, then we mongers are set LOL!
However, just licking girls body, pussy, anal and kissing her and make her lick yours can be artistic enough, it is better than sleeping next to old aged wives and kissing her stinky old mouth LOL! Unless you are into older women LOL!
And I am honestly beginning to wonder about whether it is IF and not WHEN.Bro,
Don't say that. I had my first trip planned for this month and recently had to push it back to October, but I may even have to wait until next year.
I think the big clubs like Sharks will rebound, but some of the smaller clubs may close for a much longer extended period, maybe even permanently.
Sorry, not FKK but this goes to some of these fears being expressed here.
https://time.com/5858586/covid-19-red-light-district-amsterdam/
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/amsterdam-prostitute-hotel/index.html
Before the lockdown, Amsterdam Mayor Femke Halsema was already considering a major overhaul of the Red Light District in a bid to reduce disruptive behavior and protect the sex workers from degrading conditions. In May, she said that the pandemic has highlighted the "urgency to think about the city center of the future."
Halsema has presented four scenarios for the district, which range from reducing the number of brothel windows to moving sex workers to a new location.
She has also suggested opening a "prostitution hotel" outside the center and said in May that the search for a new location was well under way. The council will hold a vote on the scenarios after the summer, a spokesperson told CNN.
New rules have already been introduced. Tour guides are no longer allowed to stop in front of the windows and tourists are banned from taking pictures of the sex workers.
Sex workers fear the district will be closed down and that they will be moved to a remote location outside the city center.
"That would be extremely dangerous. When you leave your shift at 5 am, the robbers will be lining up," says Anita. "We don't want to move into a prostitution hotel. Here everyone can see us. That's what makes our jobs safe."
They also worry about the impact moving elsewhere will have on their income as they rely heavily on walk-in tourists.
The current situation provides city authorities with a good opportunity to push through reforms, says Hamaker.
"Window owners are in a vulnerable position. They are scared to lose their livelihoods. There are already options on the table to buy out current owners," he says.
Bro,
Don't say that. I had my first trip planned for this month and recently had to push it back to October, but I may even have to wait until next year.
I think the big clubs like Sharks will rebound, but some of the smaller clubs may close for a much longer extended period, maybe even permanently.October is really not sure for German brothels to be opened, when virus is spreading with people moving more and for holidays. R0 is not always below 1 everywhere.
I am Japanese, so I can enter Europe for awhile nowNope!
https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/international-travel-document-news/1580226297.htm
You can't enter Germany unless you hold a residence permit issued by Germany.
You are subject to 14 days quarantine.
Kamsutra69
07-21-20, 08:29
I believe in the mechanics of demand and supply. That makes me optimistic but not foolishly.
No doubt some FKK's will close down. But there will always be WG's. Even more than before. Then there will be new investors who will build new clubs to accommodate this surge and to entertain the famished mongers. It will take a while. And may take a new form. But there will always be young women ready to please old men for money.
Me too, if they ever open again in Germany. And I am honestly beginning to wonder about whether it is IF and not WHEN. Great way to enjoy sex but increasingly thinking the huge delay behind other countries with worse CV19 problems hides a bigger picture about FKKs in Germany.
Since I found FKK, I always appreciated the existence of such platform. It is combined of german liberalism and german organization. for me to see the girls I fuck before is the biggest plus for me, not so much the price difference.I totally agree. The platform is excellent and I too love to see before I buy. I really cannot do escorts any longer as there are too many places in the world where you can see before you buy. And many of them are open now even if FKKs in Germany are not.
Bro,
Don't say that. I had my first trip planned for this month and recently had to push it back to October, but I may even have to wait until next year.
I think the big clubs like Sharks will rebound, but some of the smaller clubs may close for a much longer extended period, maybe even permanently.I share your pain my friend! I hope you are correct and I very much hope your trip in October can take place as I would love to get back there too!
Since I found FKK, I always appreciated the existence of such platform. It is combined of german liberalism and german organization...
For me, it is seeing girls before I fuck, which attract me. Of course, I get it bit cheaper than escort agencies even after escort girls in FKK up sell a bit, but for me to see the girls I fuck before is the biggest plus for me, not so much the price difference.
...FKK, escort and doing mongering in finest level efficiently is big mental support for me as a man because I am in position where already fucked so many young beautiful girls already throughout my life, and this fact keep me so calm and satisfied. It is good thing for man to be at this mental state in life because it is women which get you in life and I do not have this problem.
I give thanks and praises for all the stake holders in mongering industry, whether it is girls in FKK, escort girls, brothel owners, mongers, forum owners, other mongers, pimps or who ever stake holders maybe. We are all part of this mongering life cycle and it is important to keep this cycle keep on going for well being of us monger's life.
Even I am satisfied and feel such a satisfaction with my sex life, what wonderful about mongering in right way is that still each time I meet new young beautiful girl I am about to fuck, I still have this butterfly in my stomach. I had enough with fucking so many beautiful girls, but I never get enough of it because each time it is brand new beautiful pussies, ass, anal, tits, beautiful face etc. It is wonderful way to live! And I am so glad I met mongering since I was age 17 or 18.Well said Mr Ho, I could not have said it better.
I totally agree. The platform is excellent and I too love to see before I buy. I really cannot do escorts any longer as there are too many places in the world where you can see before you buy. And many of them are open now even if FKKs in Germany are not.I hear good things come to those who wait, so we wait till our days will return and it will return and we will return with our erected penises LOL!
Well said Mr Ho, I could not have said it better.Thank you, I have true appreciation for the industry and its stake holders.
It always gave me among the best memories I cherish for rest of my life. I am sure so many mongers can relate to what I said.
FKK may not be favored place by society, but for us, it gave us so much wonderful memories and experiences that we cannot forget!
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