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Sweden won't prosecute anyone for going to a FKK. On the other hand the real price is being found out since that will immediately destroy your career, business and possibly friendships too.
I speak the language so I know when I hear it who is speaking it. I understand that Swedes are probably there alone and have no reason to be speaking Swedish but the truth is that every time I heard Swedish spoken it was some sort of Turk. I saw an comment here about them being caucasian white. Yes, caucasian, I. E. Not white. Caucasus is an area where people are various forms of Turks. People have light skin but they aren't white in any cultural sense of the word. Any Swede will immediately see the diffference since it's obvious.
Let's not go overboard on that angle. I, as a Swedish speaker, just dispute that there are many real Swedes at Artemis. At least in groups. Like I say, everytime it's been some form of Turks. I've heard them already at the airport sometimes when I've had other reasons to go to Berlin too.Blond with white skin Swedish would not go to prostitutes? I'm sure they were plenty on sex boats with Estonia, with girls complaining about violence in paid sex. I think we had 1 Danish here before. Scandinavians are not so different, they also need sex, and I find Swedish women less pretty than in 80's when they made us dream, maybe because we couldn't see beauties behind the wall.
Alessandro527
08-19-20, 08:15
With new law, since 1 January 2018 , all prostitutes and escorts are, have to register to work in Germany, and to pay tax according to income, even they can lie about income, like with us. Some girls stopped because they didn't want to register. Mio. De can t work anymore in Germany because she doesn't want to register, so she tour at Globe. Manga girl, but lovely.The fact that they have to register doesn't mean they will do it. And if they are paying tax according to their income what is the 25 euro for tax they pay to FKK in addition to their entry fee?
No one knows about their income.
PinballMachine
08-19-20, 10:50
Update about prostitution situation in Saarland.
Prostitution is allowed again due to the judge's verdict in Saarland, but as long as the official rules for it are not clear, it cannot, at least officially, be exercised.
Source: https://www.saarbruecker-zeitung.de/saarland/landespolitik/prostitution-im-saarland-wieder-erlaubt-regeln-dafuer-aber-noch-offen_aid-52746039.
So it is still a rocky road. In the meantime, the "Working Group on Prostitution Sites of the Federal States" is developing rules on how prostitution can take place in the future, taking the Corona measures into account, and which special paths municipalities can take.
Source: https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/politik/inland/politik-inland/prostitution-in-corona-zeiten-diese-sex-regeln-sollen-kuenftig-in-bordellen-gelt-72397468You have to have a BildPlus account to read the article on bil. De.
Maybe someone can summarize or even copy and paste?
Thanks.
You are a very literal person, Mr. Ho.
Yes, I am sure that all escorts are required to register.
But what if they don't?
How does the German police detective find 'Sunshine" who advertises as an escort to confirm her registration, particularly if the website she advertises on is not located in Germany?
Sex work has less than 100 percent perfect compliance with registration, taxation and government pension contribution systems.With sting operations. For example, police acting as a client.
With new law, since 1 January 2018 , all prostitutes and escorts are, have to register to work in Germany, and to pay tax according to income, even they can lie about income, like with us. Some girls stopped because they didn't want to register. Mio. De can t work anymore in Germany because she doesn't want to register, so she tour at Globe. Manga girl, but lovely.I thought the law was since July 2017. Manga girl? She likes manga or she looks like a character from manga?
Globe has few German talents, I enjoyed very much and I guess it is partly due to new law pushing these German girls out of Germany to work in Switzerland where you do not need to register as you mentioned.
But I did find many German girls after July 2017 and I am not sure if they registered or not.
I thought the law was since July 2017. Manga girl? She likes manga or she looks like a character from manga?
Globe has few German talents, I enjoyed very much and I guess it is partly due to new law pushing these German girls out of Germany to work in Switzerland where you do not need to register as you mentioned.
But I did find many German girls after July 2017 and I am not sure if they registered or not.Switzerland requires registration according to Wiki.
Mongerer88
08-19-20, 19:53
With sting operations. For example, police acting as a client.Happens in the movies, not so much in real life.
There are a number of practical problems.
It is time-intensive. The policeman, or policemen, need to block off a significant block of time to show up for the appointment and demand that she produce registration documentation.
Most jurisdictions don't provide an exemption for the police to get free products or services in conjunction with an investigation. So if the policeman buys an hour, he has to pay (especially when she in fact produces her registration card). And if he pays for the hour out of taxpayer funds, it is going to be unpopular with many of those taxpayers if he has sex with her.
So the police are unlikely to do registration sting operations regarding escorts registering as sex workers.
Blond with white skin Swedish would not go to prostitutes? They don't go to Artemis in groups. There was a report in the news a few days ago. 78 percent of the men caught visiting prostitutes were born abroad. Immigrants born in Sweden wasn't included.
I'm sure they were plenty on sex boats with Estonia, with girls complaining about violence in paid sex. I think we had 1 Danish here before. Scandinavians are not so different, they also need sex, and I find Swedish women less pretty than in 80's when they made us dream, maybe because we couldn't see beauties behind the wall.I know of only case of violence. Two Swedish men were murdered by Estonians when they visited prostitutes in Tallinn.
There's more. I go to Amsterdam for work sometimes. There's always some Swedish colleague trying to be funny about girls or drugs. If you go to Germany there are no, absolutely no, such questions.
I am surprised you never been to Artemis or Berlin. They are both really fine place. But line up was better before like all other FKKs.Girls are wrong when they say: this guy goes everywhere, seeing me in Germany, Spain, NL, Switzerland and Austria, but not Artemis. I was always told Artemis is land of tattoos and silicon, not for me and far from Paris.
They don't go to Artemis in groups. There was a report in the news a few days ago. 78 percent of the men caught visiting prostitutes were born abroad. Immigrants born in Sweden wasn't included.
I know of only case of violence. Two Swedish men were murdered by Estonians when they visited prostitutes in Tallinn.
There's more. I go to Amsterdam for work sometimes. There's always some Swedish colleague trying to be funny about girls or drugs. If you go to Germany there are no, absolutely no, such questions.You never heard about these sex boats between Stockholm and Tallin, just after new law to prosecute clients. Poor have more risks to be caught when they go to street girls. How do You want I can be caught when I go to escorts in apartments, same for blond Swedish, they are just not caught, don t mean they don t go to prostitutes. I m sure they go, like in other country, and despite law.
With sting operations. For example, police acting as a client.No sting operation needed. I believe it was in 2018 in Sharks there was a major police intervention on which I reported in the Sharks thread. The police separated all the men from the women in the club and checked the documentation of everyone. The exercise lasted for many hours.
No sting operation needed. I believe it was in 2018 in Sharks there was a major police intervention on which I reported in the Sharks thread. The police separated all the men from the women in the club and checked the documentation of everyone. The exercise lasted for many hours.You should have cooperate with police even in FKK, but since it is in FKK, you should cooperated butt naked with elected penis LOL!
Switzerland requires registration according to Wiki.OK, so I guess German girls mind less to be registered as long as it is in abroad.
ElBurroEsta
08-20-20, 02:05
Scandinavian men born in and growing up in their respective countries do not need the services of prostitutes. Scandinavian women give in to sex with their men very easily. When I visited Denmark and Sweden in 1992 I found the women so very friendly and easy to ask out on a date. In Denmark a young beautiful 18 year old girl who I never thought would have been friendly with me went on a date with me. I met her at a swimming pool complex where she was with her younger sister. Scandinavian women are super friendly.They may have been in the 90's. Not any more.
The fact that they have to register doesn't mean they will do it. And if they are paying tax according to their income what is the 25 euro for tax they pay to FKK in addition to their entry fee?
No one knows about their income.Some but not all clubs charge the girls the Tax. The supposed process is the club then pays a mini. Um tax in the girls name for the days she works. Many clubs took down the daily planner that showed which girls were present because the girls wanted to deny working so many days. The sticking point here was the clubs were supposed to verify the girl had valid registration documents and provide her a receipt for the entry cost so she could deduct it from her earnings.
Reality, the club entry is primarily a cash business and the girls business is primarily cash business, so there is a lot of room to cheat. Lastly, believe me when I tell you there are many police who visit the clubs and they want all the special treatment. Some club owners insist the favorite of the police provide discounted extras for information concerning upcoming police activities. I have been in certain clubs where ash trays are picked up, certain girls and even managers disappear and then the police show up.
Do you guy think there will be a time when the Swedish model on prostitution will not longer be considered when it comes to reforming the laws and die out?
I thought the law was since July 2017. Manga girl? She likes manga or she looks like a character from manga?
Globe has few German talents, I enjoyed very much and I guess it is partly due to new law pushing these German girls out of Germany to work in Switzerland where you do not need to register as you mentioned.
But I did find many German girls after July 2017 and I am not sure if they registered or not.New German law was on 1 July 2017, but registration only on 1 January 2018. Some girls stopped like Daria, some couldn't work anymore in German clubs. Mio. De who looks like a manga girl, who worked at GT, couldn't anymore because she didn't want to register, so she works less than 90 days now at Globe. In Switzerland, no need to register only if you work less than 90 days. On this summer, many German girls moved to Globe, to make money they can t make in Germany, some from NRW, Miss GT 2019 and 1 from Artemis who is the prettiest with much prettier face than Linda. Good point because new Romanians at Globe are lower level than some in other clubs. Maybe Globe tried to find girls who accept to be fucked like pieces of meat in public by frustrated guys who need to try to play porn, but better to have size like in porn.
ExpatLover
08-20-20, 09:49
EL: it was in summer, July or August, the men have to stay outside in the garden and the girls inside, at the end the management gave free champagne for all, I was there.
Which swingers club is the best?
Can you enter by yourself or need a companion? And what's are the rules?
Insomnia, Kitkat, Avarus. Mind you in the Swingers club you will need to be EITHER young, fit good looking OR to be lucky. But the club like Insomnia, Kitkat, you will find the most open minded couple, single girl so your chance to get sex are great. Also the cover charge and drink price are resonable. The drink in partiular, it is not a rip off price like you will normally find with ladies drink in the night club.
There is a theme on each day. In some days it is only for couples, young people but in other days it could be that single man of any age is allowed. You will need to find that info on their website or call them before visiting.
No sting operation needed. I believe it was in 2018 in Sharks there was a major police intervention on which I reported in the Sharks thread. The police separated all the men from the women in the club and checked the documentation of everyone. The exercise lasted for many hours.I always leave my Passport in the Hotel and never carry it with me. The reason for that is simple, you might get pickpocketed and you will get a Headache.
Insomnia, Kitkat, Avarus. Mind you in the Swingers club you will need to be EITHER young, fit good looking OR to be lucky. But the club like Insomnia, Kitkat, you will find the most open minded couple, single girl so your chance to get sex are great. Also the cover charge and drink price are resonable. The drink in partiular, it is not a rip off price like you will normally find with ladies drink in the night club.
There is a theme on each day. In some days it is only for couples, young people but in other days it could be that single man of any age is allowed. You will need to find that info on their website or call them before visiting.Thanks man, I will hit it up one day. I am too used to FKK stunner quality, so I am bit lazy for any other events, but I am very interested.
One thing about FKK is that I lose interest in other activities in life as FKK is too comfortable LOL!
I always leave my Passport in the Hotel and never carry it with me. The reason for that is simple, you might get pickpocketed and you will get a Headache.The police accepted photos of passport on phone. The page with your photo and page with entry into Germany stamp.
New German law was on 1 July 2017, but registration only on 1 January 2018. Some girls stopped like Daria, some couldn't work anymore in German clubs. Mio. De who looks like a manga girl, who worked at GT, couldn't anymore because she didn't want to register, so she works less than 90 days now at Globe. In Switzerland, no need to register only if you work less than 90 days. On this summer, many German girls moved to Globe, to make money they can t make in Germany, some from NRW, Miss GT 2019 and 1 from Artemis who is the prettiest with much prettier face than Linda. Good point because new Romanians at Globe are lower level than some in other clubs. Maybe Globe tried to find girls who accept to be fucked like pieces of meat in public by frustrated guys who need to try to play porn, but better to have size like in porn.So Globe is the place to be for German lover like me then LOL.
Am I the only one who finds German women underrated while women from Eastern Europe (not Central Europe countries that people sometimes include) to be overrated? I don't hate them, but there is too many of them in sex industry in general and I don't find them that attractive.
ExpatLover
08-20-20, 19:04
EL: yes of course you can get sex but with girls over 30 or even 40, looking so so, for free yes for sure but sorry I don't fuck those kind of girls.
Am I the only one who finds German women underrated while women from Eastern Europe (not Central Europe countries that people sometimes include) to be overrated? I don't hate them, but there is too many of them in sex industry in general and I don't find them that attractive.I do have preferences but those are based on ethnicity, age, body type, tit size, skin color and tone, height, etc. I don't think nationality plays a role in that equation for me when it comes to physical appearance and attraction.
Now, nationality sometimes does play a role when it comes to service in large FKKs. That is because the newcomers are influenced by the older WGs in those places hailing from their home countries. That is one reason for the reputed bad service from Romanian hookers. However, in my experience, Rom tutes are not truly different from the club average (because Romies tend to be such a large % of the total that the average for Romies and for the club as a whole are broadly similar).
As far as Germans go, it is not that they are more or less attractive than ROm girls, but much more likely that the more attractive Rom girl from lower / middle class of that country is willing to fuck a bunch of guys for 50 E while the equivalent German girl does not need to. So, in my opinion, the quality of German tutes does not represent German girls to the same extent that Romie tutes in FKK are reflective of Romie girls in total.
That is my theory anyway.
Sexual services are again allowed in German state Thuringia from this Thursday (probably means today), provided that only two people are involved. The state government thus prefers to relax the corona rules in this area. With the first steps of opening brothels, one follows court rulings in other federal states.
https://www.insuedthueringen.de/region/thueringen/thuefwthuedeu/Prostitution-bereits-ab-Donnerstag-wieder-in-Thueringen-erlaubt;art83467,7357612
You never heard about these sex boats between Stockholm and Tallin, just after new law to prosecute clients. Poor have more risks to be caught when they go to street girls. How do You want I can be caught when I go to escorts in apartments, same for blond Swedish, they are just not caught, don t mean they don t go to prostitutes. I m sure they go, like in other country, and despite law.Look,
There are 'no' street girls in Sweden. It's all escorts or the Thai massage parlours. It's illegal, remember? Sure, in Malmö where everyone is immigrant there may be a place where a handful of gypsy women may be working but for at least 99% it's escorts via the internet or Thai massage parlours. Poor immigrants search the internet for escorts and massage parlours just like everyone else. Maybe it's just that the Swedes are smarter and do it when they're on business trips, but they really don't do it at home.
BTW,
There were no sex boats. You mean the normal boats that travel between Sweden and its Eastern neighbours.
BrahmaPoutre
08-20-20, 19:53
Do you guy think there will be a time when the Swedish model on prostitution will not longer be considered when it comes to reforming the laws and die out?Why would they change after 10 years with this law?
Feminist women will always fight for poor women unless a group of politician is brave enough to go against the feminists, not for tomorrow.
Am I the only one who finds German women underrated while women from Eastern Europe (not Central Europe countries that people sometimes include) to be overrated? I don't hate them, but there is too many of them in sex industry in general and I don't find them that attractive.Both agree and disagree. The problem with the German women in the industry is they're so hardened they aren't always so pleasant (or unable to sell the illusion). They also are full of tatoos (which is a negative to me). Whilst many of the Romanians are of the same type many other Romanians are different and more follow traditional standards.
Outside of clubs I find many German women that tick my boxes.
BackpackBrian
08-21-20, 05:13
Both agree and disagree. The problem with the German women in the industry is they're so hardened they aren't always so pleasant (or unable to sell the illusion). They also are full of tatoos (which is a negative to me). Whilst many of the Romanians are of the same type many other Romanians are different and more follow traditional standards.
Outside of clubs I find many German women that tick my boxes.Personally, having been a monger in Europe and Asia for almost 20 years (started out of collage on my fist backpacking trip to Europe) I can say that the German women are by far more preferable to me than the Romanian / Bulgarian / Moldovan / etc. I will also throw in the Polish women and Czech women because the two best looking girls, in 20 yrs, were both Polish (tall / natural blond / big blue eyes, big natural breasts).
With great sensual service, BBBJ, kissing, DATY, lots of touching for 50 E. But this was back 14+ years ago at Artemis, which was my first FKK.
Break down of the difference that I see now or 8 months ago when I was in Frankfurt.
1. Very few natural Germans left, still a couple at Palace on the weekends, and maybe 1-2 scattered at other clubs around Frankfurt, but they all gave me shit when I offered my old school rate of 50 E. If you can pull them apart from their little click / group at Palace, when they're all sitting together at the bar, you can get them to go for 50 E BBBJ, but no kissing. But they won't loose face in front of all the other German girls, so don't ask for 50 E service when they are together in a group where they can all listen to you negotiate. Get the girl by herself and you'll have a better chance, especially on a week night when it's slower.
2. Sexually, German / Polish women always used to give me more chemistry and had better figures. Taller, better curves in the right places, nicer smiles, nicer teeth. But this is all subjective of course!
3. Their voices (vocal cords). I can walk into an FKK and hear the Romanian (Eastern Euro) girls immediately. They have higher pitch voices, and sound more annoying to me, but again this is subjective. The German girls have lower more monotone voices, don't yell as much and don't have as much of a whinny sound when speaking. To me, many of the Romanian girls sound whinny when talking and to me it comes across as begging, which many of them do which leads me into my last point.
4. I never had any German girls act like sharks with me, they were always far more polite where as the Romanian girls would bombard me sometimes, pressure me to a room, get pushy and pouty when I declined. Some Romanians and other Easter women actually became rude with me when I declined. I never experienced that ever with German woman. I guess the German women knew they were better and in more demand and didn't have to beg as much. Which says it all.
My 2 cents.
Am I the only one who finds German women underrated while women from Eastern Europe (not Central Europe countries that people sometimes include) to be overrated? I don't hate them, but there is too many of them in sex industry in general and I don't find them that attractive.I have got the best sex in FKKs from German women. Of all the many German women I sessioned in FKKs only 3 I can recall did not give me good service. Well tattooed Gina at Sharks being one of them. The names of the others I cannot remember but would have reported in Sharks thread at the time. In the times before Sharks opened that is pre-2012 when Oase was my go to FKK there were numerous German providers all of whom gave good service and many of whom were better looking than the Romanian girls. Who remembers Marie at Oase? Real German beauty.
I have got the best sex in FKKs from German women. Of all the many German women I sessioned in FKKs only 3 I can recall did not give me good service. Well tattooed Gina at Sharks being one of them. The names of the others I cannot remember but would have reported in Sharks thread at the time. In the times before Sharks opened that is pre-2012 when Oase was my go to FKK there were numerous German providers all of whom gave good service and many of whom were better looking than the Romanian girls. Who remembers Marie at Oase? Real German beauty.Me too, I have the best sexual experiences with German stunners in FKK. They tend to provide me the dirtiest services that I want.
I still go for German stunners more.
3. Their voices (vocal cords). I can walk into an FKK and hear the Romanian (Eastern Euro) girls immediately. They have higher pitch voices, and sound more annoying to me, but again this is subjective. The German girls have lower more monotone voices, don't yell as much and don't have as much of a whinny sound when speaking. To me, many of the Romanian girls sound whinny when talking and to me it comes across as begging, which many of them do which leads me into my last point.Interesting observation about higher pitched voice of Romie girls relative to German girls. Have not thought about it before.
Alessandro527
08-21-20, 20:50
Personally, having been a monger in Europe and Asia for almost 20 years (started out of collage on my fist backpacking trip to Europe) I can say that the German women are by far more preferable to me than the Romanian / Bulgarian / Moldovan / etc. I will also throw in the Polish women and Czech women because the two best looking girls, in 20 yrs, were both Polish (tall / natural blond / big blue eyes, big natural breasts).
With great sensual service, BBBJ, kissing, DATY, lots of touching for 50 E. But this was back 14+ years ago at Artemis, which was my first FKK.
Break down of the difference that I see now or 8 months ago when I was in Frankfurt.
1. Very few natural Germans left, still a couple at Palace on the weekends, and maybe 1-2 scattered at other clubs around Frankfurt, but they all gave me shit when I offered my old school rate of 50 E. If you can pull them apart from their little click / group at Palace, when they're all sitting together at the bar, you can get them to go for 50 E BBBJ, but no kissing. But they won't loose face in front of all the other German girls, so don't ask for 50 E service when they are together in a group where they can all listen to you negotiate. Get the girl by herself and you'll have a better chance, especially on a week night when it's slower..Excellent review and I agree 100 %. Finally someone with good taste, grazie!
Look,
There are 'no' street girls in Sweden. It's all escorts or the Thai massage parlours. It's illegal, remember? Sure, in Malm where everyone is immigrant there may be a place where a handful of gypsy women may be working but for at least 99% it's escorts via the internet or Thai massage parlours. Poor immigrants search the internet for escorts and massage parlours just like everyone else. Maybe it's just that the Swedes are smarter and do it when they're on business trips, but they really don't do it at home.
BTW,
There were no sex boats. You mean the normal boats that travel between Sweden and its Eastern neighbours.About what was called sex boats with guys leaving on boat Stockholm to have paid sex with poor Estonians who took the boat in Tallin to make money, guys drinking and then violent for sex, and we could see Estonian girls complaining after, but never happened of course, but just after law prosecuting clients, then moving in waters out of Sweden, for no prosecution.
I have got the best sex in FKKs from German women. Of all the many German women I sessioned in FKKs only 3 I can recall did not give me good service. Well tattooed Gina at Sharks being one of them. The names of the others I cannot remember but would have reported in Sharks thread at the time. In the times before Sharks opened that is pre-2012 when Oase was my go to FKK there were numerous German providers all of whom gave good service and many of whom were better looking than the Romanian girls. Who remembers Marie at Oase? Real German beauty.What about Lena, Slovakia. Do you remember her?
For a beauty and elegance lover like me, had 6 girls for around 50 hours or more, 5 are 100% Romanian and 1 Romanian born, no German. Had few good German girls, but Romanian princesses behavior are so much more interesting, usually better educated than low level German WGs. If FKK land was not mostly Romania, Germans would not work for 50. As say some Germans now at Globe: do You think we kiss for only 50 at GT? German old regulars complain on desk about Romanians but not about Germans, they just pay.
HammerTime96
08-21-20, 22:49
I have got the best sex in FKKs from German women. Of all the many German women I sessioned in FKKs only 3 I can recall did not give me good service. Well tattooed Gina at Sharks being one of them.I remember Barbie from Dortmund who worked in Sharks. Really big porno look, big silicone implants, lots of tattoos, sexy legs, great curves, jet black hair.
A great fuck, with zero upselling, and a cool chick to talk to. Unfortunately she completely stopped in this business a few years ago after a brief period of working in GT Brueggen. I was always hoping she would return to Sharks one day.
Oh man, how I miss going to Sharks! Good memories.
ExpatLover
08-22-20, 00:07
I am half German, most of the German girl I met in the FKK are terrible, better not to understand what and how they speak that it is why I never go with them, they really speak like prostitutes, using bad words, showing if not no education but very low one. The only German girl with a good level was Mandy at Shark. I also met a lot of German escorts in Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Munchen, most of them had a good level (escort agencies are making selection) some even college level.
What about Lena, Slovakia. Do you remember her?As time marches on the girls I've loved before become more misty so I cannot recall a Lena from Solvakia but I do remember German Lena who I first sessioned in 2016 and was surprised to see her physical decline in 2019 but I still went with her for old times sake. I sessioned a remarkable German at Oase in 2009 whose name was Elena. Who remembers Sunny at Oase, tall blonde with the most amazing kegel abilities I've ever experienced, I never failed to climax with her even when drained, and she was not really a good looker.
About what was called sex boats with guys leaving on boat Stockholm to have paid sex with poor Estonians who took the boat in Tallin to make money, guys drinking and then violent for sex, and we could see Estonian girls complaining after, but never happened of course, but just after law prosecuting clients, then moving in waters out of Sweden, for no prosecution.Have you witnessed this for yourself? Or hearsay?
Personally, having been a monger in Europe and Asia for almost 20 years (started out of collage on my fist backpacking trip to Europe) I can say that the German women are by far more preferable to me than the Romanian / Bulgarian / Moldovan / etc. I will also throw in the Polish women and Czech women because the two best looking girls, in 20 yrs, were both Polish (tall / natural blond / big blue eyes, big natural breasts).
With great sensual service, BBBJ, kissing, DATY, lots of touching for 50 E. But this was back 14+ years ago at Artemis, which was my first FKK.
Break down of the difference that I see now or 8 months ago when I was in Frankfurt.
1. Very few natural Germans left, still a couple at Palace on the weekends, and maybe 1-2 scattered at other clubs around Frankfurt, but they all gave me shit when I offered my old school rate of 50 E. If you can pull them apart from their little click / group at Palace, when they're all sitting together at the bar, you can get them to go for 50 E BBBJ, but no kissing. But they won't loose face in front of all the other German girls, so don't ask for 50 E service when they are together in a group where they can all listen to you negotiate. Get the girl by herself and you'll have a better chance, especially on a week night when it's slower.Wouldn't you say refusing 50 euro rate is sharky? LOL.
I pay 150 euro per one hour and I get excellent service from them or 100 euro for 30 min. Second one is bit too much, first one for me is reasonable, they let me cum twice in one hour.
Having said that, I do remember the golden years when we used to get good BBBJ, DATY, suck tit etc and fuck for just 50 euro or 60 euro for 30 min LOL! Whatta years some of us mongers lived LOL!
Alessandro527
08-22-20, 05:44
Interesting observation about higher pitched voice of Romie girls relative to German girls. Have not thought about it before.It is true! And if you listen to them when they speak Romanian the pitch is even higher and the speed unbelievable!
Am I the only one who finds German women underrated while women from Eastern Europe (not Central Europe countries that people sometimes include) to be overrated? I don't hate them, but there is too many of them in sex industry in general and I don't find them that attractive.I love Romanian beauties with princess behavior, they are so much more elegant and interesting as woman than German WGs.
ElBurroEsta
08-22-20, 10:32
Do you guy think there will be a time when the Swedish model on prostitution will not longer be considered when it comes to reforming the laws and die out?It is only gaining traction here. Spreading with the declared "feminist government agenda".
The police accepted photos of passport on phone. The page with your photo and page with entry into Germany stamp.
Good to here this. Thanks for this info.
I always have the Scanned ID page of my passporty in my mobile phone.
Would you please elaborate about this "The page with your photo and page with entry into Germany stamp" ?
I have an EU passposrt, so I never get my passport stamped by the police when entering Germany would it be a problem ??
New German law was on 1 July 2017, but registration only on 1 January 2018. Some girls stopped like Daria, some couldn't work anymore in German clubs. Mio. De who looks like a manga girl, who worked at GT, couldn't anymore because she didn't want to register, so she works less than 90 days now at Globe. In Switzerland, no need to register only if you work less than 90 days. On this summer, many German girls moved to Globe, to make money they can t make in Germany, some from NRW, Miss GT 2019 and 1 from Artemis who is the prettiest with much prettier face than Linda. Good point because new Romanians at Globe are lower level than some in other clubs. Maybe Globe tried to find girls who accept to be fucked like pieces of meat in public by frustrated guys who need to try to play porn, but better to have size like in porn.I think they could always find their way around not to register. They could just keep rotating working from one FKK to another FKK within 90 days. Doing this they will not get detected of how many days they have been working in a year.
Scandinavian men born in and growing up in their respective countries do not need the services of prostitutes. Scandinavian women give in to sex with their men very easily. When I visited Denmark and Sweden in 1992 I found the women so very friendly and easy to ask out on a date. In Denmark a young beautiful 18 year old girl who I never thought would have been friendly with me went on a date with me. I met her at a swimming pool complex where she was with her younger sister. Scandinavian women are super friendly.The main points of paying for sex is that you get the girls who are very hard (if still possible at all) to get through normal dating. Think about a grandpa in their 50's 60's could they still get teenagers, girl in their 20's without paying?? In FKK club, Brothels, RLD you could easily see a reasonable number of men in in their 50's 60's or even 70's get hooked up with young girls.
I think they could always find their way around not to register. They could just keep rotating working from one FKK to another FKK within 90 days. Doing this they will not get detected of how many days they have been working in a year.Less than 90 days is for Switzerland, not in Germany. Not registered = no number for work, even being German were refused at GT or other clubs. They could work in NL or maybe at Vanila on private. Usually German WGs follow rules, even some didn't want to work at GT. They didn't want everything for only 50 with old fat uglies.
As time marches on the girls I've loved before become more misty so I cannot recall a Lena from Solvakia but I do remember German Lena who I first sessioned in 2016 and was surprised to see her physical decline in 2019 but I still went with her for old times sake. I sessioned a remarkable German at Oase in 2009 whose name was Elena. Who remembers Sunny at Oase, tall blonde with the most amazing kegel abilities I've ever experienced, I never failed to climax with her even when drained, and she was not really a good looker.Where did you last see German Lena in 2019? I thought she had stopped working when she left Sharks.
Why would they change after 10 years with this law?
Feminist women will always fight for poor women unless a group of politician is brave enough to go against the feminists, not for tomorrow.More like 21 years now. I could think of couple of reasons like increased violence and crime against working girls, demands from sex worker groups to improve their lives, not achieving the goal of eradicating prostitution etc. If the so called "feminists" cared about poor women, they would call for prostitution to be made legal or decriminalized.
Good to here this. Thanks for this info.
I always have the Scanned ID page of my passporty in my mobile phone.
Would you please elaborate about this "The page with your photo and page with entry into Germany stamp" ?
I have an EU passposrt, so I never get my passport stamped by the police when entering Germany would it be a problem ??I can only speak with certainty for myself not being from the EU. I would guess that for EU citizens a photo of the ID page only would suffice.
ExpatLover
08-22-20, 17:00
EL: for me you should have a passport from 1 cointry in Europe, not an EU passport, scanned passport is no more enough since the covid outbreak, it depends on the boarder but the controls can be very strict.
HammerTime96
08-22-20, 17:34
I have an EU passposrt, so I never get my passport stamped by the police when entering Germany would it be a problem ??No, of of course it's not a problem!
When within the Schengen Area, no need for stamps in passports.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area
Less than 90 days is for Switzerland, not in Germany. Not registered = no number for work, even being German were refused at GT or other clubs. They could work in NL or maybe at Vanila on private. Usually German WGs follow rules, even some didn't want to work at GT. They didn't want everything for only 50 with old fat uglies.So these germane working girls went to globe to work because YY is closed now in Holland.
Some people say it's registration, but the phenomenon of Eastern European sex workers working in DACH countries in large numbers has been going for years before the 2017 reform, mainly due to cheap labor and location. German women seem to be found mainly in escort advertising, agencies, massage parlors, high-end brothels, and some FKKs based on past research. Correct me if I'm wrong.
don't hate them, but there is too many of them in sex industry in general and I don't find them that attractive.100%. Romanians are over represented in FKK, so Is hard to pay some attention to them sometimes.
It seems this FKK has re-opened, with some limitations: http://www.fkk-paradies.eu/index.php?article_id=2&clang=0.
May this be the first of many!
Rock.
Where did you last see German Lena in 2019? I thought she had stopped working when she left Sharks.I met German Lena in Sharks in April, 2019, she did not stay long. She deteriorated badly in looks compared to when I met her in 2016.
Mongerer88
08-23-20, 16:30
Some people say it's registration, but the phenomenon of Eastern European sex workers working in DACH countries in large numbers has been going for years before the 2017 reform, mainly due to cheap labor and location. German women seem to be found mainly in escort advertising, agencies, massage parlors, high-end brothels, and some FKKs based on past research. Correct me if I'm wrong.Yes, here are a couple of German escorts reviewed on another board.
https://www.escort-models-international.com/en/high-class-escort-models/lisa/
https://www.bb-escort.com/ladies/fiona-.html
I am completely baffled as to why some guys here think this prototype lady would be at an FKK circling the floor and competing at a low price against Romanian ladies (if that German escort can earn more, work less, and have more free time to herself) by working as an escort at a much higher hourly rate than what she could earn at an FKK. I suppose that a high volume of sex transactions can produce a decent amount of revenue, but there are some obvious disadvantages to that. And she has a cost to traveling to the FKK every day, unlike the Romanians who can live at a nearby facility (which would be less comfortable and enjoyable than the escort's typical apartment).
This is always an issue everywhere. Every once in a while on the LOS Angeles threads of message boards, someone would say, to a participating high-priced non-Korean call girl, that her rates are ridiculously higher than incall prices of shared trick-pad ladies in L. A. 's Koreatown neighborhood. Her response would usually be Feel Free to go to Koreatown, then. Sometimes it was less polite than that, though.
I met German Lena in Sharks in April, 2019, she did not stay long. She deteriorated badly in looks compared to when I met her in 2016.That's sad to hear. I wasn't in Sharks in April last year, so I must have missed her by a few days.
BrahmaPoutre
08-23-20, 18:38
100%. Romanians are over represented in FKK, so Is hard to pay some attention to them sometimes.Yes but they are chic, classy and elegant women with a lot of charm and more important they don't look like prostitutes.
Yes, here are a couple of German escorts reviewed on another board.
https://www.escort-models-international.com/en/high-class-escort-models/lisa/
https://www.bb-escort.com/ladies/fiona-.html
I am completely baffled as to why some guys here think this prototype lady would be at an FKK circling the floor and competing at a low price against Romanian ladies (if that German escort can earn more, work less, and have more free time to herself) by working as an escort at a much higher hourly rate than what she could earn at an FKK.What are the chances that your prototype lady actually looks like the photos in the ads? I don't so much miss the looks of the regular non pornstar looking German girls but rather the "deal is a deal" mentality that they had.
Yes, here are a couple of German escorts reviewed on another board.
https://www.escort-models-international.com/en/high-class-escort-models/lisa/
https://www.bb-escort.com/ladies/fiona-.html
I am completely baffled as to why some guys here think this prototype lady would be at an FKK circling the floor and competing at a low price against Romanian ladies (if that German escort can earn more, work less, and have more free time to herself) by working as an escort at a much higher hourly rate than what she could earn at an FKK. I suppose that a high volume of sex transactions can produce a decent amount of revenue, but there are some obvious disadvantages to that. And she has a cost to traveling to the FKK every day, unlike the Romanians who can live at a nearby facility (which would be less comfortable and enjoyable than the escort's typical apartment).
This is always an issue everywhere. Every once in a while on the LOS Angeles threads of message boards, someone would say, to a participating high-priced non-Korean call girl, that her rates are ridiculously higher than incall prices of shared trick-pad ladies in L. A. 's Koreatown neighborhood. Her response would usually be Feel Free to go to Koreatown, then. Sometimes it was less polite than that, though.Agree. There is a market clearance price for each participant but that price is not the same for every participant. 50 E is a sufficient amount for the average Rom girl to fuck and suck, at least in a bored, perfunctory way. It is not a sufficient amount for the average German girl. Hence, the average Rom girl would be more represented at the FKK. Since the price is fixed at 50 E, the only German girls who are in the clubs are those that happen to be less than average of all German girls out there.
I have not mongered in Dubai, but does the average White girl charge a lot higher than the average Thai or Hispanic or African girl? Of course all of them are imports. I suspect there is no average true Arab / local girl - or at least not many. I also would think a true local beauty that is a fully native blooded Arab with long term Arab roots could command a significant premium; even higher than an average White import as the true local WG beauties would be so rare in Dubai. Again, this is my guess, no idea if that is the case indeed.
Alessandro527
08-23-20, 19:36
What are the chances that your prototype lady actually looks like the photos in the ads? I don't so much miss the looks of the regular non pornstar looking German girls but rather the "deal is a deal" mentality that they had.From my experience when choosing a girl from an agency, you have 60 % chances she look worse and 15 % she looks even better. The remaining 25 % is what you see.
I have not mongered in Dubai, but does the average White girl charge a lot higher than the average Thai or Hispanic or African girl? Of course all of them are imports. I suspect there is no average true Arab / local girl - or at least not many. I also would think a true local beauty that is a fully native blooded Arab with long term Arab roots could command a significant premium; even higher than an average White import as the true local WG beauties would be so rare in Dubai. Again, this is my guess, no idea if that is the case indeed.I have mongered in Dubai. The hottest, white, Russian girls got away with charging more. More than Filipinas, Chinese, and Ethiopians. Arab and Turk girls to be found also were at the higher end. That was my experience anyway. Overall, Dubai is the second most expensive mongering destination I have ever been to. Switzerland was number one for high costs.
I have mongered in Dubai. The hottest, white, Russian girls got away with charging more. More than Filipinas, Chinese, and Ethiopians. Arab and Turk girls to be found also were at the higher end. That was my experience anyway. Overall, Dubai is the second most expensive mongering destination I have ever been to. Switzerland was number one for high costs.Anal cost you high baby LOL! But they take you higher LOL!
I love Romanian beauties with princess behavior, they are so much more elegant and interesting as woman than German WGs.When not many clubs are open, I found a really pretty German girl, she is the prettiest at Globe and also the most elegant, with chic care for look yesterday. When she is told to be unreachable, I didn't have problem on our first times on her first tour, welcoming, always lovely and even more interesting than average, rare for me for a German, but yesterday, after 1 month, on my way back from holidays, I gave up because body is exhausted to anemia, so I gave up on my 3 last climbing and after 18 kms in Prato Stelvio when only 6 kms to the top 2758 high, but I was 10 mn late so I preferred to give up because couldn't make a good time, same twice in la Bonette 2802 high, starting under 37 degrees, losing too much body water, wish will make fresh strength for next week end to return, so I decided to recover at Globe, but my German girl had bookings, I never book girls because I want they come to me, this wake up my desire, fortunately fast bookings, when some guys sometimes book for 5 hours, she told me we would have time to meet, we did, she was really chic look, lovely as always when we were together, a real toy in bed with no doubt for 2 real orgasmus, holding my arms while fucking her, real pleasure for sex with little volcano even she told me twice was enough and too sensitive now when I wanted to go to give her a third and she knows her clit can t resist, but I saw the German WG at work for first time, even she was lovely as always, but new image of her, when she is really pretty and the prettiest face at Globe, but I saw for first her defaults on her look, and not anymore interesting for me even a real pleasure for sex and even interesting to talk, we talked about her look, her care for look, her height and weight, fake information on Globe girls profiles, and even about pregnancy. I should make a stop on my way to return to Prato Stelvio, she told me when she would finish her tour and she will work on next week end, but I m not able to run after girls after discovery, not interesting for my desire, I prefer they come to me like most do to repeat, so I won t repeat to be between reservations and I know, even Romanians at Globe now are not high level, but when I need only 1 girl, I have to find a Romanian beauty because they are not so much at work than most of Germans. I prefer behavior and image, even more than a beautiful German cumming in bed, but I don t regret our times, when she is lovely, but I felt our limit together, when Romanians are more able to follow and improve for me. A Romanian beauty with a bit of elegance is so much more interesting as woman than German WGs at work, for my desire.
Yes, here are a couple of German escorts reviewed on another board.
https://www.escort-models-international.com/en/high-class-escort-models/lisa/
https://www.bb-escort.com/ladies/fiona-.html
I am completely baffled as to why some guys here think this prototype lady would be at an FKK circling the floor and competing at a low price against Romanian ladies (if that German escort can earn more, work less, and have more free time to herself) by working as an escort at a much higher hourly rate than what she could earn at an FKK. I suppose that a high volume of sex transactions can produce a decent amount of revenue, but there are some obvious disadvantages to that. And she has a cost to traveling to the FKK every day, unlike the Romanians who can live at a nearby facility (which would be less comfortable and enjoyable than the escort's typical apartment).
This is always an issue everywhere. Every once in a while on the LOS Angeles threads of message boards, someone would say, to a participating high-priced non-Korean call girl, that her rates are ridiculously higher than incall prices of shared trick-pad ladies in L. A. 's Koreatown neighborhood. Her response would usually be Feel Free to go to Koreatown, then. Sometimes it was less polite than that, though.When you know a bit about women, when you had in your life, you know 59 kgs for 173 is really not slim for Fiona, and for sure not xx small size, and for both you don't see their face, so I'm pretty sure I will find prettier Romanians in brothels, even pretty ones are rare for me, than these 2 girls in real. Mostly fake photos or photoshop compare to reality. In Paris, when the girl who open the door is not the girl on photo, I show her photo, if she doesn't call her pretty twin really looking like on photo, then I leave. I left quite often.
Alessandro527
08-24-20, 16:25
When not many clubs are open, I found a really pretty German girl, she is the prettiest at Globe and also the most elegant, with chic care for look yesterday. When she is told to be unreachable, I didn't have problem on our first times on her first tour, welcoming, always lovely and even more interesting than average, rare for me for a German, but yesterday, after 1 month, on my way back from holidays, I gave up because body is exhausted to anemia, so I gave up on my 3 last climbing and after 18 kms in Prato Stelvio when only 6 kms to the top 2758 high, but I was 10 mn late so I preferred to give up because couldn't make a good time, same twice in la Bonette 2802 high, starting under 37 degrees, losing too much body water, wish will make fresh strength for next week end to return, so I decided to recover at Globe, but my German girl had bookings, I never book girls because I want they come to me, this wake up my desire, fortunately fast bookings, when some guys sometimes book for 5 hours, she told me we would have time to meet, we did, she was really chic look, lovely as always when we were together, a real toy in bed with no doubt for 2 real orgasmus, holding my arms while fucking her, real pleasure for sex with little volcano even she told me twice was enough and too sensitive now when I wanted to go to give her a third and she knows her clit can t resist, but I saw the German WG at work for first time, even she was lovely as always, but new image of her, when she is really pretty and the prettiest face at Globe, but I saw for first her defaults on her look, and not anymore interesting for me even a real pleasure for sex and even interesting to talk, we talked about her look, her care for look, her height and weight, fake information on Globe girls profiles, and even about pregnancy. I should make a stop on my way to return to Prato Stelvio, she told me when she would finish her tour and she will work on next week end, but I m not able to run after girls after discovery, not interesting for my desire, I prefer they come to me like most do to repeat, so I won t repeat to be between reservations and I know, even Romanians at Globe now are not high level, but when I need only 1 girl, I have to find a Romanian beauty because they are not so much at work than most of Germans..I will kindly ask you to use paragraph. I had a headache when I finished reading. I really like reading your posts but they confuse me so much some times. No offence please!
To the point: Romanians and elegance? You must be joking right?
Mongerer88
08-24-20, 16:53
When you know a bit about women, when you had in your life, you know 59 kgs for 173 is really not slim for Fiona, and for sure not xx small size, and for both you don't see their face, so I'm pretty sure I will find prettier Romanians in brothels, even pretty ones are rare for me, than these 2 girls in real. Mostly fake photos or photoshop compare to reality. In Paris, when the girl who open the door is not the girl on photo, I show her photo, if she doesn't call her pretty twin really looking like on photo, then I leave. I left quite often.I was not asserting that the German escorts who are advertising, and who are favorably reviewed on other boards, are providing a superior performance than ladies at FKKs, nor was I providing assurance that they look like their pictures. I was simply stating that there are other markets within Germany that have a greater percentage of advertisements for German women, at relatively higher prices. Of course some ads are fake, but most aren't. It seems to often by stated on this thread that few German women work in the sex industry, but as Baltix pointed out, that may not be true. They may instead choose to work as private escorts or in high-end brothels. There are many reviews of German escorts on review boards more oriented to escorts than to clubs.
Brothels in Berlin will open September 1.
Any news about when FKK / Sauna-clubs in Dusseldorf and Frankfurt will open?
Brothels in Berlin will open September 1.
Any news about when FKK / Sauna-clubs in Dusseldorf and Frankfurt will open?It does not look likely, I am reading in papers today that the covid19 rates are increasing and NRW is considering additional restrictions.
I will kindly ask you to use paragraph. I had a headache when I finished reading. I really like reading your posts but they confuse me so much some times. No offence please!
To the point: Romanians and elegance? You must be joking right?From my weekly, on week ends, for nearly 8 years, experiences, meaning much more than 1000 rooms, all over FKK land, my 6 around or more than 50 hours in room are all Romanian or Romanian born, for a beauty and elegance lover like me. I saw only very few elegant German WGs and even German women can't compete with Russians for elegance, but I had real elegant Romanians for who I drove more than 1000 kms weekly for months. I followed a elegant Romanian from Sharks after only 1 wow room to Globe where she was busy superstar but always did welcome me: I know how You treat me, she said. Globe busy superstar, I was only a tramp in her Globe, 2500 per day, business, but I was her first choice and she was jealous, looking at what I did, even she was busy. I discovered her on April 2016 at Sharks, found her on July 2016 at Globe and I remember on August 2018, when she told me: You found a new GF, about Sofia. Ro, after she was jealous about Larissa. Ro, when she didn't need because she was my first choice, but I'm sure she would have preferred only her. Romanians are so much more interesting as woman than Germans. I was happy on this Summer because I found a real German beauty and even elegant, the prettiest at Globe, sweet, lovely and more interesting to talk than average, and a real toy to make cum in bed, even on late night after a busy day, she can't resist, orgasmic beauty, but she doesn't have mystery and charm of some Romanians, even she was always really lovely with me, but too much at work, even she never rush.
BackpackBrian
08-26-20, 05:48
Wouldn't you say refusing 50 euro rate is sharky? LOL.
I pay 150 euro per one hour and I get excellent service from them or 100 euro for 30 min. Second one is bit too much, first one for me is reasonable, they let me cum twice in one hour.
Having said that, I do remember the golden years when we used to get good BBBJ, DATY, suck tit etc and fuck for just 50 euro or 60 euro for 30 min LOL! Whatta years some of us mongers lived LOL!You pay $150/ HR! It all depends on what you want and how many times you want to cum.
For me I need 20 min. Just a couple of minutes of BBBJ until I'm hard and then a couple positions until I cum. That's it for me!
I don't want to come again with that same girl. I just want out of the room to the shower and then food or sauna or.
$60 was the high price (Artemis). Oh those glory days back around 2005-12.
I still get the 50 E service wherever I can, usually now without kissing. And if you stick with Dusseldorf and Cologne there are lots of Turkish clubs that are 30 E entrance and 30 E FS including BBBJ without kissing. But I like to sneak one or two in. Haha!
Makes me all teary eyed.
You pay $150/ HR! It all depends on what you want and how many times you want to cum.
For me I need 20 min. Just a couple of minutes of BBBJ until I'm hard and then a couple positions until I cum. That's it for me!
I don't want to come again with that same girl. I just want out of the room to the shower and then food or sauna or.
$60 was the high price (Artemis). Oh those glory days back around 2005-12.
I still get the 50 E service wherever I can, usually now without kissing. And if you stick with Dusseldorf and Cologne there are lots of Turkish clubs that are 30 E entrance and 30 E FS including BBBJ without kissing. But I like to sneak one or two in. Haha!
Makes me all teary eyed.Yeah, I miss those days too man. Even though I am not into threesome, I used to just go to room with girls to room as it only costed me 60 euro times two, 120 euro! Now it is more if I want BBBJ and threesome.
I miss those handy days of BBBJ and fuck too, we used to live like king during those days LOL!
When not many clubs are open, I found a really pretty German girl, she is the prettiest at Globe and also the most elegant, with chic care for look yesterday. When she is told to be unreachable, I didn't have problem on our first times on her first tour, welcoming, always lovely and even more interesting than average, rare for me for a German, but yesterday, after 1 month, on my way back from holidays, I gave up because body is exhausted to anemia, so I gave up on my 3 last climbing and after 18 kms in Prato Stelvio when only 6 kms to the top 2758 high, but I was 10 mn late so I preferred to give up because couldn't make a good time, same twice in la Bonette 2802 high, starting under 37 degrees, losing too much body water, wish will make fresh strength for next week end to return, so I decided to recover at Globe, but my German girl had bookings, I never book girls because I want they come to me, this wake up my desire, fortunately fast bookings, when some guys sometimes book for 5 hours, she told me we would have time to meet, we did, she was really chic look, lovely as always when we were together, a real toy in bed with no doubt for 2 real orgasmus, holding my arms while fucking her, real pleasure for sex with little volcano even she told me twice was enough and too sensitive now when I wanted to go to give her a third and she knows her clit can t resist, but I saw the German WG at work for first time, even she was lovely as always, but new image of her, when she is really pretty and the prettiest face at Globe, but I saw for first her defaults on her look, and not anymore interesting for me even a real pleasure for sex and even interesting to talk, we talked about her look, her care for look, her height and weight, fake information on Globe girls profiles, and even about pregnancy. I.Siri, you are making me fly to Zurich LOL Switzerland and EU nations do not quarantine me to enter, but when I come back to Tokyo from abroad, my own government will quarantine me for 14 days among other restrictions LOL! So I do not want to go till that restriction is over.
So it looks like Artemis will be allowed to open on Tuesday as the message is still on their website No news about other states?
ThePenetrator
08-28-20, 15:02
Does anyone know when Samya will re open, I am traveling to Cologne in November and don't want it to be a wasted trip. If the club has still not reopened I may have to look for the street girls.
ExpatLover
08-28-20, 17:21
EL: the situation is getting worse and worse in Europe again the countries are closing their boarders, Hungary the 1st of September, Austria also. For me 2020 is not the year to monger in Europe, I am sure that the LU are and will be bad.
I repeat it again I am waiting 2021 or may be latter.
ExpatLover
08-28-20, 19:18
EL: yes very good idea at least you will have no risk to get sick. Advice you to control your libido and testosterone, you will be so happier. It is not the right time to monger, but so many guys are sex addict.
Please tell me how often you had a Infection with Sars in the last few Week's since the brothels reopened?
EL: the situation is getting worse and worse in Europe again the countries are closing their boarders, Hungary the 1st of September, Austria also. For me 2020 is not the year to monger in Europe, I am sure that the LU are and will be bad.
I repeat it again I am waiting 2021 or may be latter.I had pretty and interesting girls since reopening. Life learned me not to anymore delay to tomorrow, because maybe never tomorrow, and nothing about virus, when I clean my lungs with my sports in my mountains, staying fit as say girls.
Does anyone know when Samya will re open, I am traveling to Cologne in November and don't want it to be a wasted trip. If the club has still not reopened I may have to look for the street girls.I keep in touch with one regular girl there and she tells me that management does not plan on opening in 2020.
Smoke Light
08-29-20, 02:45
I keep in touch with one regular girl there and she tells me that management does not plan on opening in 2020.I confirm, also in touch with 2 samya girls. If I was in Cologne right now I could get laid with them in minutes. But being stuck in a black hole USA. I doubt any major FKKs will open this year. Escorts, maybe small apartments, if corona stays under control. Doesn't seem to be going in that direction though. Upsetting.
ExpatLover
08-29-20, 06:35
I confirm, also in touch with 2 samya girls. If I was in Cologne right now I could get laid with them in minutes. But being stuck in a black hole USA. I doubt any major FKKs will open this year. Escorts, maybe small apartments, if corona stays under control. Doesn't seem to be going in that direction though. Upsetting.
EL: does it mean there are no woman to date in the US, obviously not, I worked in Syracuse and it was possible to have normal relation with woman, of course you need to put more efforts than putting 50 euro on the table.
Does anyone know when Samya will re open, I am traveling to Cologne in November and don't want it to be a wasted trip. If the club has still not reopened I may have to look for the street girls.Like for any brothel in Germany, when Finca and Hells couldn t open and let s see for Artemis, when Germany will allow. Some privates are open in Saarland but not Paradise Saarbrucken, for sex with mask. Really high level, just to empty balls, but maybe less difficult to find a attractive one, because sexy bodies are more numerous than pretty faces.
I confirm, also in touch with 2 samya girls. If I was in Cologne right now I could get laid with them in minutes. But being stuck in a black hole USA. I doubt any major FKKs will open this year. Escorts, maybe small apartments, if corona stays under control. Doesn't seem to be going in that direction though. Upsetting.I believe Sauna Clubs as we know the will remIn closed, but will somewhat return to their roots. I have been inside an early club. It was a house of a well to do local, had a bar built in and they had a few women that worked. There were human fluffy swings, a beer fridge, a hot grill and some rooms and bandage materials. This guy had parties, his friends and friends of friends stopped by. That is how a lot of Germans will address this. It sucks for the non local or tourist because they won't be allowed in. It brings back memories of the now defunct flat rate clubs. Then again, if you a running illegally you may as well use a well known model.
I confirm, also in touch with 2 samya girls. If I was in Cologne right now I could get laid with them in minutes. But being stuck in a black hole USA. I doubt any major FKKs will open this year. Escorts, maybe small apartments, if corona stays under control. Doesn't seem to be going in that direction though. Upsetting.You are being too kind. USA isn't a black hole. It's a sexual Puritan hellhole. But we must stay positive LOL. Stick with your path and purpose, pursue excellence, and look forward to more glorious days to come in FKK land in 2021.
You are being too kind. USA isn't a black hole. It's a sexual Puritan hellhole. But we must stay positive LOL. Stick with your path and purpose, pursue excellence, and look forward to more glorious days to come in FKK land in 2021.Let me just say, the new generation of 20 somethings are much more sex happy than my generation a decade ago. Then again, maybe it is the loneliness of semi-quarantine that makes girls hornier or perhaps that I am older and am more direct. Girls seem to be more willing to put out than I remember.
As for pro and semi pro girls, my friend has been hitting up the sugarbabies scene here and he's getting incall visits for $200-$400. Met the $200 one when I was hanging out at his place and she was a solid 7/10.
You are being too kind. USA isn't a black hole. It's a sexual Puritan hellhole. But we must stay positive LOL. Stick with your path and purpose, pursue excellence, and look forward to more glorious days to come in FKK land in 2021.But you have porn valley CA, to dream about sex, even not sex.
So it looks like Artemis will be allowed to open on Tuesday as the message is still on their website No news about other states?I have to say, still really surprised that Artemis is the first to reopen. It hasn't really got any of the factors some other clubs have that would lower the rate of infection. It's large, mostly indoors, and in a big city and travel hub. Makes me very skeptical that the reopening will last for long. Though I guess we'll get some reports in the coming week. I hope I'm wrong, that everything goes fine, and it leads to other FKKs reopening too. But I just can't see it until there's at least some sort of vaccine produced and started getting distributed. Probably start of next year at the earliest.
As for pro and semi pro girls, my friend has been hitting up the sugarbabies scene here and he's getting incall visits for $200-$400. Met the $200 one when I was hanging out at his place and she was a solid 7/10.Mursenary,
What part of country is that?
As for guys is their 20's being happy, not so sure about that. Although I am sure they are having much less sex than generations before.
Buddy in 20's that I have is telling me it used to be 80/20, 20 percent of the guys getting all the girls, now its 95/5. I totally agree with it.
Smoke Light
08-30-20, 03:04
EL: does it mean there are no woman to date in the US, obviously not, I worked in Syracuse and it was possible to have normal relation with woman, of course you need to put more efforts than putting 50 euro on the table.Married. Working from home. Too much hassle. Like our good friend Clodius says, waiting for the glorious day to be sitting at the departure gate to Frankfurt.
Smoke Light
08-30-20, 03:15
I believe Sauna Clubs as we know the will remIn closed, but will somewhat return to their roots. I have been inside an early club. It was a house of a well to do local, had a bar built in and they had a few women that worked. There were human fluffy swings, a beer fridge, a hot grill and some rooms and bandage materials. This guy had parties, his friends and friends of friends stopped by. That is how a lot of Germans will address this. It sucks for the non local or tourist because they won't be allowed in. It brings back memories of the now defunct flat rate clubs. Then again, if you a running illegally you may as well use a well known model.Greetings Chongmal. I haven't visited flat rate clubs, but what you write reminds me of good old days at Bernds. What a wonderful place on earth it was 5-7 years ago.
ExpatLover
08-30-20, 12:30
EL: it is exactly what I am saying for a long time, the US scene is not that bad, possible to meet sexy girls (happened to me) and not more expensive than travelling to Europe, paying all the different expenses, loosing a lot of time. And on top of that I am sure that the girls in the US are so much over fucked like the girls in the German FKK.
Like for any brothel in Germany, when Finca and Hells couldn t open and let s see for Artemis, when Germany will allow. Some privates are open in Saarland but not Paradise Saarbrucken, for sex with mask. Really high level, just to empty balls, but maybe less difficult to find a attractive one, because sexy bodies are more numerous than pretty faces.Do you know why Paradise is still closed?
Do you know why Paradise is still closed?Paradise Sarrebrucken planned to open during August, but not allowed yet. If they had allowance, they would be open. NRW is not in good situation about virus. I wait if Artemis will really open in 2 days or even later. But You have Austria, even Wellcum don t worth to pay a trip, but maybe GT and Vienna always worth. 2 very attractive escorts in Paris for me, when I will be back from my mountains on mid week.
Mursenary,
What part of country is that?
As for guys is their 20's being happy, not so sure about that. Although I am sure they are having much less sex than generations before.
Buddy in 20's that I have is telling me it used to be 80/20, 20 percent of the guys getting all the girls, now its 95/5. I totally agree with it.That was in Tampa FL. I'd imagine that the rates elsewhere outside of northeastern and west coast USA to be similar.
I just meant that girls in their 20's seem to be more willing to jump into bed than they did 10-15 years ago. That is obviously a very subjective statement though. You might be right with the dwindling ratios though, but again, I notice that on average, young guys in the US seem to be less sexually aggressive than my generation.
Paradise Sarrebrucken planned to open during August, but not allowed yet. If they had allowance, they would be open. NRW is not in good situation about virus. I wait if Artemis will really open in 2 days or even later. But You have Austria, even Wellcum don t worth to pay a trip, but maybe GT and Vienna always worth. 2 very attractive escorts in Paris for me, when I will be back from my mountains on mid week.But the smarts of us then realize that there is something or someone at Wellcum that either has turned you down, or tried to scam you in one way or another. Because Wellcum really is a fantastic club with hands down the best food in an FKK ever. The best saunas (except Sharks saunamaster ritual), and the best views outside. Even the girls there right now seems to be of hood standard. Sure it has seen better days during the 5-6 years since the club opened, but there are girls in that lineup any man with a cock would fuck. Unless being told no. And I see how that can ruin a nights stay.
Sebastiane
08-31-20, 00:18
I've never been to a USA stripclub but am a veteran of the German and Swiss FKK scene. How do the girls in the top strip clubs compare in terms of looks with the girls in FKK clubs like Globe, Oase, Palace, Sharks, etc. ? I know in most stripclubs its look and not touch only but I am just asking about the level of looks. Which are the strip clubs with the most beautiful (9/10's) girls?
Though I heard if you tip enough in stripclubs and are a regular big spender you might be able to take girls out too?
I've never been to a USA stripclub but am a veteran of the German and Swiss FKK scene. How do the girls in the top strip clubs compare in terms of looks with the girls in FKK clubs like Globe, Oase, Palace, Sharks, etc. ? I know in most stripclubs its look and not touch only but I am just asking about the level of looks. Which are the strip clubs with the most beautiful (9/10's) girls?
Though I heard if you tip enough in stripclubs and are a regular big spender you might be able to take girls out too?In my opinion, visually, the highest tier strip clubs in the US are on par with the highest tier FKK line ups. That however will vary from city to city. In Las Vegas, the mecca of strip club cities, girls at Spearmint Rhino were on average hotter than the average Sharks girl. There were definitely more stunners too. As for sex? I think you'll get denied more often than not but I'm sure there's a tipping point for the right price. I think looking for paid sex in strip clubs is financially wasteful but not impossible, it definitely happens. However, top tier girls would entertain the idea if the number quoted started at a thousand USD while 500 USD might get you in the door for negotiations. Of course it varies with geography and club clientelle. 200 USD is possible for some mid tier girls in trashy clubs.
My thoughts is that if sex is your primary mission, strip clubs are highly inefficient, both for time and money invested. Instead, I have been going on a weekly basis, approaching the clubs like a neighborhood bar while just socializing, drinking, and being a little liberal with spending money on dances (Girls are there to work and make money after all). That being said, having built up repoire, I've hung out with one girl outside of the club recently, no sex, while my strip club buddy has paid for sex with 2 mid level girls, $300 each. But that took him a few visits chatting up the girls and bargaining them down. Factoring in all of the bar tabs, paying for $10 dances, and tipping hundreds of $1 bills on stage, he probably spend $2 K-$3 K in strip clubs in one month and getting sex twice. Bad economics for mongering if you don't value the social time spent in a strip club drinking with friends and naked girls.
Steve 9696
08-31-20, 02:14
I've never been to a USA stripclub but am a veteran of the German and Swiss FKK scene. How do the girls in the top strip clubs compare in terms of looks with the girls in FKK clubs like Globe, Oase, Palace, Sharks, etc. ? I know in most stripclubs its look and not touch only but I am just asking about the level of looks. Which are the strip clubs with the most beautiful (9/10's) girls?
Though I heard if you tip enough in stripclubs and are a regular big spender you might be able to take girls out too?To say that US strip clubs are a lame rip off if you know FKK is a huge understatement. The girls are not particularly better looking than Sharks girls. And in 90% of clubs not even as good looking as Sharks girls.
To correct and clarify a few things:
There are two types of clubs and this varies by state. You are correct that the fully nude clubs don't allow touching (rare exception is the Palamino in Vegas). But topless clubs virtually all allow tit squeezing and some girls may allow over the bikini pussy touching. I only know of one lame club in Boston that is strictly no touch.
Some clubs may stretch the law and somehow "overlook" hanky-panky in the club. If you want full on sex then Detroit is the only place with reliable FS in the clubs. I have gotten hand jobs and BJ in various clubs throughout the US.
My favorite club is Baby Dolls in Dallas. Lots of pretty girls. 5 simultaneous stages. Gotten both a HJ and a BJ there.
You will easily drop $400+ In a US club for some tittle feeling and grinding. Totally not worth it if you know FKK but it can be fun if you have money to burn and set low expectations going in.
ThienHoangb4
08-31-20, 02:20
I've never been to a USA stripclub but am a veteran of the German and Swiss FKK scene. How do the girls in the top strip clubs compare in terms of looks with the girls in FKK clubs like Globe, Oase, Palace, Sharks, etc. ? I know in most stripclubs its look and not touch only but I am just asking about the level of looks. Which are the strip clubs with the most beautiful (9/10's) girls?
Though I heard if you tip enough in stripclubs and are a regular big spender you might be able to take girls out too?I am from Seattle, Washington State and I have been to 5-6 strip clubs regularly (before I know about FKK). Girls varies in terms of looks and services. Some very good looking young girls are there but they do not usually stay for the long term since they want some quick money and then quit the job. The ones who work there for a long term are usually in their 30-40's. The clubs at downtown area (Deja vu, dreamgirls) have some very good looking girls. Prices also vary from girls to girls even within the same club. Back in 2012-2013, it is $20 a lap dance with some touching (usually butts) but now it is $30-50 for a lap dance with touching. Some girls offer something like $100/3 dances with touching and handjob. The VIP session is where the fun happens. I had sex 2 times in the VIP room (one was $300/ half hour, one was $200/15 minutes). I took two stripper home (after seeing them 4-5 times in the strip club) and it was much better: no rush and you feel comfortable since nobody is watching you. $200/ hour for one girl and $300 an hour for the other girl.
Lucky Nuts
08-31-20, 04:04
To say that US strip clubs are a lame rip off if you know FKK is a huge understatement. The girls are not particularly better looking than Sharks girls. And in 90% of clubs not even as good looking as Sharks girls.
To correct and clarify a few things:
There are two types of clubs and this varies by state. You are correct that the fully nude clubs don't allow touching (rare exception is the Palamino in Vegas). But topless clubs virtually all allow tit squeezing and some girls may allow over the bikini pussy touching. I only know of one lame club in Boston that is strictly no touch.
Some clubs may stretch the law and somehow "overlook" hanky-panky in the club. If you want full on sex then Detroit is the only place with reliable FS in the clubs. I have gotten hand jobs and BJ in various clubs throughout the US.
My favorite club is Baby Dolls in Dallas. Lots of pretty girls. 5 simultaneous stages. Gotten both a HJ and a BJ there.
You will easily drop $400+ In a US club for some tittle feeling and grinding. Totally not worth it if you know FKK but it can be fun if you have money to burn and set low expectations going in.Steve you're inbox is full BTW.
Good overview of the club scene. I knew Palamino was grandfathered to sell alcohol with nude dancers but didn't know about touching rules being different. I would add that if you hit a top strip club like Rhino in Vegas at prime time (late night weekends) only the hottest girls are allowed working until the 3 AM shift of thicker girls start arriving (the clubs are open 24 hours/day). The hottest girls are a younger age group and MUCH hotter overall than the Sharks and Oase lineups and are called "9 o'clock girls" because they are allowed to work that best shift (IMO and depending on your taste of course).
Married. Working from home. Too much hassle. Like our good friend Clodius says, waiting for the glorious day to be sitting at the departure gate to Frankfurt.Sounds like we are cut from a similar cloth. Yes, the 80/20 rule is narrowing to 90/10. Social media provides women with endless free validation and fuels their six 6's fantasy. Online competition is too fierce, much better to focus on street game for civi's. At least until this virus fiasco. Now I focus on my path to excellence, gather more bank, improve my Deutsch, and ready to pounce post-vaccine. Be well mein bruder.
To say that US strip clubs are a lame rip off if you know FKK is a huge understatement. The girls are not particularly better looking than Sharks girls. And in 90% of clubs not even as good looking as Sharks girls.
To correct and clarify a few things:
There are two types of clubs and this varies by state. You are correct that the fully nude clubs don't allow touching (rare exception is the Palamino in Vegas). But topless clubs virtually all allow tit squeezing and some girls may allow over the bikini pussy touching. I only know of one lame club in Boston that is strictly no touch.
Some clubs may stretch the law and somehow "overlook" hanky-panky in the club. If you want full on sex then Detroit is the only place with reliable FS in the clubs. I have gotten hand jobs and BJ in various clubs throughout the US.
My favorite club is Baby Dolls in Dallas. Lots of pretty girls. 5 simultaneous stages. Gotten both a HJ and a BJ there.
You will easily drop $400+ In a US club for some tittle feeling and grinding. Totally not worth it if you know FKK but it can be fun if you have money to burn and set low expectations going in.What stops American entrepreneur to open maybe not the same, but similar set up as FKK in USA? Legal restriction? But I thought in Nevada and some states, prostitution is legal, so something similar to FKK set up can be done if some entrepreneur is brave as Larryflynt.
But the smarts of us then realize that there is something or someone at Wellcum that either has turned you down, or tried to scam you in one way or another. Because Wellcum really is a fantastic club with hands down the best food in an FKK ever. The best saunas (except Sharks saunamaster ritual), and the best views outside. Even the girls there right now seems to be of hood standard. Sure it has seen better days during the 5-6 years since the club opened, but there are girls in that lineup any man with a cock would fuck. Unless being told no. And I see how that can ruin a nights stay.I always wrote best view from the garden, but I always told You, after about 15 visits since 2016, except for exceptional Lena. Ro on August 2017, I would not drive for Wellcum, fortunately 1 hour from Zoncolan, and no more Marina and Andiamo closed, so my restaurant to prepare, but I really regret Andiamo was not open because I found more interesting girls in 2016 and 3 in 2019. Maybe because I m not Italian, but real lack of natural beauties, of charm and elegance, with some girls telling: I don't kiss because of corona, but I can suck You good, meaning BBBJ for standard, or good massage, I don t care about massage, I don t pay for this. Fortunately, when I really didn't run to her when I saw her and quite average discovery, but Anna became charming after and even didn't think to repeat, but after turning around like a lion for about 12 hours on Saturday 15 August and couldn t find any attractive girl not trying to fuck me like Nika and her friend and anal fantasy, when she would have cried calling her mother, or another not kissing but sucking good even she was friendly, so no other choice than Anna who really improved even she was busy whole Saturday and tired, but when I told her we had to be fast because we went in room at 00.30 am, she answered: no rush, we can finish after closing at 1 am and we did. On Sunday, again big rain, so returned to eat diner, and same and again only improving again Anna who did worth for me for her lovely and charming behavior for me, under cold behavior when I looked at her on Thursday when she was not busy, many guys went to speak with her but not going to room. 3 visits and 1 in July, only Anna was doable, Karla was higher level in July but not there on my August visits. For my mind and dick, Wellcum fell to low level for casting and foods also fell a bit. My visiting experiences, but I know I m much more demanding than others, from my past real life. On this Summer, I was happy because found a charming well mannered beauty at Globe, unfortunately she became German WG at work, working geriatric with ugly grandfather for hours, so charm gone. Next one, even she was orgasmic in bed, and beauties are rare, but I want a beauty who will to make free for my behavior, only this profile interest me to pay for.
Some clubs may stretch the law and somehow "overlook" hanky-panky in the club. If you want full on sex then Detroit is the only place with reliable FS in the clubs. I have gotten hand jobs and BJ in various clubs throughout the US. You will easily drop $400+ in a US club for some tittle feeling and grinding. Totally not worth it if you know FKK but it can be fun if you have money to burn and set low expectations going in.I have heard a lot about the Detroit strip clubs from another member of this site who frequents Thailand a lot. I don't know how things are now, but for me the best American strip clubs for "hanky panky" I have ever been to were located in San Francisco. I'm talking hand jobs, BJs, kissing, and FS. And even some S&M! The best of those clubs, now closed, was the notorious Market Street Cinema. They would often feature a porn star, and I would say that roughly half the girls (some of them wanting to be porn stars themselves) were fucking, and the other half not. All you had to do was ask, and the girl would tell you whether she fucked or not. Looks ranged from 7 to 10, and around $150 would get you a suck and fuck. Occasionally a girl would offer bareback right off the top, no need to inquire.
My favorite was a blonde who went by "Rita Erotica". I would rate her at 8 looks wise. We would go to the back, and after some light kissing, she would squat in front of me and expertly suck a condom onto my dick. Then she would stand up and turn her cute butt around, and I would fuck her standing up from behind, saying all kinds of dirty things in her ear. One time the condom broke (neither of us knew), and I came inside of her! The Market Street Cinema was also the only strip club where I actually fucked a stripper in the ass on premises! It was another blonde (I like pretty blondes), and we had just finished having straight sex when she said that maybe the next time I could fuck her in the ass. I said to hell with next time, and that I'm fucking you in the ass now! And I did! Oh, those were the days!
Well, these escapades happened many moons ago, and I can hardly bring myself to go to an American strip club anymore. I've probably gone only a handful of times in the last two decades! It's just that it seems like such a waste of money now. Like you say, you can easily spend $400+ dollars in an evening at a top US strip club, and most aren't going to offer what you could get in the San Francisco clubs like the Market Street Cinema, or in the Detroit clubs I gather. But, when you don't know any better or maybe you just can't get overseas, maybe it's not so bad. All I know is that when it comes to the American strip clubs, "I can't go home again" LOL! At the clubs in other cities where FS was not available (overwhelming majority), my preference was to patronize clubs offering "bed dances".
For a bed dance, you go to a private room and lay on a bed, and the girl rubs and grinds all over you. My favorites would routinely let their panties go to the side fully exposing their tingly pussy lips and ass cracks. I would wear something with no underwear that was really thin so as not to irritate their skin from all of that rubbing, and that would allow for virtually bare contact. Only some thin material separating my dick from their pussies and butt cheeks. Rubbing and grinding and humping away we would go, with a session going for an hour. That's what I would pay for (about $90 plus a small tip if good), and my favorites always made me cum at the end! The best of the best was this super hot brunette who went by "Ginger". Man was she good, working it in all kinds of positions! I think both our favorite position was when she would lay back on top of me with her butt right in my crotch. It was like I was fucking her in the butt, and I would notice that her nipples would always go rock hard. This is how I would usually cum during my bed dances with Ginger too. With my dick dug deep up in between her exposed stripper girl ass cheeks. But where else for a budding anal connoisseur?
My first visit to an FKK made me realize what a waste of money a US strip club is. I have not been to a strip club since. I would feel like a fool doing so.
Sebastiane
08-31-20, 14:36
Thanks for the replies about US strip clubs. If I wanted to do a US strip club tour which would be the best to go to? Las Vegas?
If any of you have been to Globe (and who was at Sharks previously) there is a Romanian girl, early 20's, called Megan who is a real beauty, I'd say. A 10. Do you get girls like that working in strip clubs who will do BJ / HJ?
My first visit to an FKK made me realize what a waste of money a US strip club is. I have not been to a strip club since. I would feel like a fool doing so.I remember one of the few times I went to an American strip club after I started mongering overseas. It was back at one of my old favorites. The stripper got angry with me during the "dance" because she said I looked like I was "disappointed" LOL! I know I did have a "skeptical" look on my face. I mean, these American girls think they're doing something, but we all know they aren't doing jack shit! For most of us there's just no going back once you've been overseas where fucking on-premises in the club is legal, and you're engaging in all kinds of sex acts. And there's no use in talking to a mind-washed American stripper about the differences either. She'll just come back talking about rampant disease risks (bullshit) and use morality arguments (blah, blah, blah) and say stuff like only losers (both women and men) would participate in prostitution. The typical narrow-minded, moralistic, judgmental, ignorant American thinking on the matter. I once saw a video on YouTube where American strippers were even complaining about guys getting boners while they were rubbing all over them! I mean really? WTF kind of nonsense is that? To complain because the man gets hard while you grind on him? Feminist strippers! This is the unbelievable and unacceptable "attitude" of so many American women, and it extends right into the sex industries. Like just be a "gentleman" give me all your money you pervert! Totally no respect for us men. Well the hell with that! I'm going to where a man can still be a man (like have a boner), and where women are still women (they like to give men boners). So my fellow American males it's best to just save your money and enjoy traveling and mongering abroad. You'll enjoy discovering the world and getting laid all at the same time. Bon voyage, and monger on!
Steve 9696
08-31-20, 16:57
My first visit to an FKK made me realize what a waste of money a US strip club is. I have not been to a strip club since. I would feel like a fool doing so.I would only add that if you like the strip club format but with sex in the menu, then go to Moscow. Aurora, Angels, Penthouse all have 8's and 9's on the menu and ready for sex. Or warm up at Golden Girls where the girls are even prettier (but no sex) and finish the night at one of the above.
Not as cheap as FKK of course. But a very fun experience with sex with a pretty girl at the end of the rainbow.
The Lower Saxony Higher Administrative Court has suspended the closure of brothels and similar facilities ordered by the state government due to the corona pandemic. A spokeswoman announced on Friday. This also applies to street prostitution. So the sex establishments in state of Lower Saxony are allowed to reopen. But I know who cares as long as FKK clubs in NRW and Hesse are not allowed to reopen.
https://www.welt.de/regionales/niedersachsen/article214558654/Richter-Prostitution-in-Niedersachsen-trotz-Corona-erlaubt.html
My first visit to an FKK made me realize what a waste of money a US strip club is. I have not been to a strip club since. I would feel like a fool doing so.I left New York city 17 years ago. When I lived in NY, if you were relatively young and good looking, it was possible to have sex with the strippers after they finished their work and you could take them home. Of course, you had to be good looking and relatively young. How is the sex scene in NYC nowaday?
ExpatLover
08-31-20, 18:46
EL: I am 60+, 182, 80 kilos looking around 50 so still possible for me to date reasonable young woman without paying, obviously if you are fat, looking old, drunk face. Difficult to date woman of any kind.
To say that US strip clubs are a lame rip off if you know FKK is a huge understatement. The girls are not particularly better looking than Sharks girls. And in 90% of clubs not even as good looking as Sharks girls.
To correct and clarify a few things:
There are two types of clubs and this varies by state. You are correct that the fully nude clubs don't allow touching (rare exception is the Palamino in Vegas). But topless clubs virtually all allow tit squeezing and some girls may allow over the bikini pussy touching. I only know of one lame club in Boston that is strictly no touch.
Some clubs may stretch the law and somehow "overlook" hanky-panky in the club. If you want full on sex then Detroit is the only place with reliable FS in the clubs. I have gotten hand jobs and BJ in various clubs throughout the US.
My favorite club is Baby Dolls in Dallas. Lots of pretty girls. 5 simultaneous stages. Gotten both a HJ and a BJ there.
You will easily drop $400+ In a US club for some tittle feeling and grinding. Totally not worth it if you know FKK but it can be fun if you have money to burn and set low expectations going in.For a short time, I was a taxi driver in Las Vegas. I only made minimum wage, tips and kick backs from the strip clubs. The strip clubs generally kicked back the cover charge $30, if I brought them a customer.
Palomino is an old club in North Las Vegas and total nude. They were grandfathered in to sell alcohol. The girls I saw were average. I didn't take any tourist there.
Spearmint Rhino, topless, alcohol. Hot girls and club.
Sapphires topless, topless, alcohol. Hot girls and club.
Cheetahs topless, topless, alcohol. Average girls and club.
Little Darling Nude No alcohol. I never went to that club.
Lap dance $20 per song. If you go to the VIP room, can be $100 per song. It is easy to drop a lot of money in this environment for No Sex.
Rules: You cannot touch the girl. Girl is topless and grinds up against you. Depends on how nasty the girls is and usually gives you a woody.
Locals do not pay cover charge.
I only go to strip clubs when I have friends from Germany, Japan or Hawaii come and want to experience an Las Vegas strip club. Otherwise, I don't go to strip clubs. I look forward to my yearly or semi-yearly visit to FKK in Germany.
I look forward to hopefully go to Germany in May, 2021.
What FKKs lack that stripclubs have is the entertainment level. If you don't count in the sex / room I usually have more fun in stripclubs than FKKs. To me most FKKs would be better with a little bit more show, party, disco vibe: Most places could make it easier to order drinks (most FKKs have such low service levels when ordering drinks, pehaps due to 90% of orders are at zero value and maybe treating bar workers from EE badly?) make the atmosphere more enjoyable. Like Hong Kong club in Tijuana Mexico. Samya in Köln was the most enjoyable FKK I have been to in that sense.
Thanks for the replies about US strip clubs. If I wanted to do a US strip club tour which would be the best to go to? Las Vegas?
If any of you have been to Globe (and who was at Sharks previously) there is a Romanian girl, early 20's, called Megan who is a real beauty, I'd say. A 10. Do you get girls like that working in strip clubs who will do BJ / HJ?Megan will be 25 soon. If You saw new German Sofia with far prettier face than Linda. When I see American women, even maybe Mexicans and Puerto Ricans in US clubs, but I doubt for same level of looks.
What FKKs lack that stripclubs have is the entertainment level. If you don't count in the sex / room I usually have more fun in stripclubs than FKKs. To me most FKKs would be better with a little bit more show, party, disco vibe: Most places could make it easier to order drinks (most FKKs have such low service levels when ordering drinks, pehaps due to 90% of orders are at zero value and maybe treating bar workers from EE badly?) make the atmosphere more enjoyable. Like Hong Kong club in Tijuana Mexico. Samya in Kln was the most enjoyable FKK I have been to in that sense.I found the termas of Brazil to be better in this regard than the FKKs as well. There was often more of a party atmosphere with lots of passionate DFKing and naughty "couch play" before going to a room to do the full nasty.
In my opinion, the quality of strip clubs has declined a lot in the US in the last 20 years. In mid to late 90's, when I was still quite young, it seemed like many full nude clubs had pretty hot girls, were more permissive, and of course prices were low. I had visited clubs in Atlanta, Miami, Tampa, Austin, Vegas, San Diego, LOS Angeles, San Fran, Baltimore and Phoenix in the ten years between 1995 to 2005. Gradually, my visits to strip clubs have declined, ironically as I am able to afford them properly. One reason is that I discovered FKKs a while ago, and also sugar babes in the US. Secondly, my own personal relationship status changed. As others said, strip clubs are great for hanging out, have some drinks and perhaps have a few lap dances. Back then too, the lap dances were very intimate and of course I was a young buckaroo full of sperm wanting to explode, and I did unfortunately soil my pants in a few lap dances. Tootsies and Scarlets in Miami, a few joints in LOS Angeles (one very near airport, one in Van Nuys, a couple in Inglewood all were terrific. One of the prettiest girls I had ever seen was in one of those strip clubs and I had more fantasies about her than I care to admit), PT's? In Missouri near St Louis, Tanga Lounge and Mons Venus in Tampa, the aforementioned SF clubs (market street was a dump, but New Century and Mitchell Bro's at O Farrel), Centerfolds in Phoenix, all have happy memories for me. As someone said below, I had a few BJs in San Fran clubs, the only place that happened inside the club for me, but For a few hundred, it was possible to fuck strippers outside the clubs in some locations if you worked on them enough. But high friction contact was readily available - yes fully nude - in several clubs in several cities then which I understand is no longer true. Seems like many municipalities have clamped down on strip clubs in US. That said, I have hardly visited any of late, my last club visit must have been like 5 years ago when I was on business was bored and drive over to Scarlets in Miami. BTW, to the original question, some of the best lookers I have ever seen were in US strip clubs and not even the best FKK girls are comparable. (I had fucked Megan in Sharks, and no she is not a 10 in my view, and if she is a 10" there were quite a few 11's and 12's in US strip clubs). But when it came to sex in strip clubs, you also better be careful because the girl can get you thrown out by a nasty bouncer. One time the guy next to me getting a lap dance in a strip club in Inglewood CA had unzipped his pant, perhaps with the intent of jacking off while the girl was dancing a few inches away and almost instantly a massive bouncer appeared, pulled him up and threw him out while the girl was cursing him.
For a short time, I was a taxi driver in Las Vegas. I only made minimum wage, tips and kick backs from the strip clubs. The strip clubs generally kicked back the cover charge $30, if I brought them a customer.
Palomino is an old club in North Las Vegas and total nude. They were grandfathered in to sell alcohol. The girls I saw were average. I didn't take any tourist there.
Spearmint Rhino, topless, alcohol. Hot girls and club.
Sapphires topless, topless, alcohol. Hot girls and club.
Cheetahs topless, topless, alcohol. Average girls and club.
Little Darling Nude No alcohol. I never went to that club.
Lap dance $20 per song. If you go to the VIP room, can be $100 per song. It is easy to drop a lot of money in this environment for No Sex.
Rules: You cannot touch the girl. Girl is topless and grinds up against you. Depends on how nasty the girls is and usually gives you a woody..I do not see a point in these strip clubs in USA. You basically go there to get boner and go home LOL. At least the club could do is offer BBBJ service for extra 100 USD, which already is rip off compare to Germany.
In my opinion, the quality of strip clubs has declined a lot in the US in the last 20 years. In mid to late 90's, when I was still quite young, it seemed like many full nude clubs had pretty hot girls, were more permissive, and of course prices were low. I had visited clubs in Atlanta, Miami, Tampa, Austin, Vegas, San Diego, LOS Angeles, San Fran, Baltimore and Phoenix in the ten years between 1995 to 2005. Gradually, my visits to strip clubs have declined, ironically as I am able to afford them properly. One reason is that I discovered FKKs a while ago, and also sugar babes in the US. Secondly, my own personal relationship status changed. As others said, strip clubs are great for hanging out, have some drinks and perhaps have a few lap dances. Back then too, the lap dances were very intimate and of course I was a young buckaroo full of sperm wanting to explode, and I did unfortunately soil my pants in a few lap dances. Tootsies and Scarlets in Miami, a few joints in LOS Angeles (one very near airport, one in Van Nuys, a couple in Inglewood all were terrific. One of the prettiest girls I had ever seen was in one of those strip clubs and I had more fantasies about her than I care to admit), PT's? In Missouri near St Louis, Tanga Lounge and Mons Venus in Tampa, the aforementioned SF clubs (market street was a dump, but New Century and Mitchell Bro's at O Farrel), Centerfolds in Phoenix, all have happy memories for me. As someone said below, I had a few BJs in San Fran clubs, the only place that happened inside the club for me, but For a few hundred, it was possible to fuck strippers outside the clubs in some locations if you worked on them enough. But high friction contact was readily available - yes fully nude - in several clubs in several cities then which I understand is no longer true. Seems like many municipalities have clamped down on strip clubs in US..Then what are you supposed to do in US strip clubs? Just pay to get a boner and go home after? LOL.
In my opinion, the quality of strip clubs has declined a lot in the US in the last 20 years. In mid to late 90's, when I was still quite young, it seemed like many full nude clubs had pretty hot girls, were more permissive, and of course prices were low. I had visited clubs in Atlanta, Miami, Tampa, Austin, Vegas, San Diego, LOS Angeles, San Fran, Baltimore and Phoenix in the ten years between 1995 to 2005. Gradually, my visits to strip clubs have declined, ironically as I am able to afford them properly. One reason is that I discovered FKKs a while ago, and also sugar babes in the US. Secondly, my own personal relationship status changed. As others said, strip clubs are great for hanging out, have some drinks and perhaps have a few lap dances. Back then too, the lap dances were very intimate and of course I was a young buckaroo full of sperm wanting to explode, and I did unfortunately soil my pants in a few lap dances. Tootsies and Scarlets in Miami, a few joints in LOS Angeles (one very near airport, one in Van Nuys, a couple in Inglewood all were terrific. One of the prettiest girls I had ever seen was in one of those strip clubs and I had more fantasies about her than I care to admit), PT's? In Missouri near St Louis, Tanga Lounge and Mons Venus in Tampa, the aforementioned SF clubs (market street was a dump, but New Century and Mitchell Bro's at O Farrel), Centerfolds in Phoenix, all have happy memories for me. As someone said below, I had a few BJs in San Fran clubs, the only place that happened inside the club for me, but For a few hundred, it was possible to fuck strippers outside the clubs in some locations if you worked on them enough. But high friction contact was readily available - yes fully nude - in several clubs in several cities then which I understand is no longer true. Seems like many municipalities have clamped down on strip clubs in US. That said, I have hardly visited any of late, my last club visit must have been like 5 years ago when I was on business was bored and drive over to Scarlets in Miami. BTW, to the original question, some of the best lookers I have ever seen were in US strip clubs and not even the best FKK girls are comparable.Totally agree with you on this. I had so much fun at many Miami clubs (Tootsie, and others I forgot names), Spearmint Rhinos in Vegas and LA areas, Tropical Lei in east of LA, Mitchell Brothers in SF etc etc up until about 10-12 years ago. All were full service, most cases inside the club discreetly and some cases OTC, if you are good with the girls. I even got few total freebies from few US strippers over the time. Alas, gone are those days.
BTW, you can try GT in Vienna right now. They are fully open normal (not much Covid scare in Austria now), and average quality is pretty good, no too fat with cottage cheese, mostly 18-25 slim and few really beautiful faces, mostly good personalities too.
I do not see a point in these strip clubs in USA. You basically go there to get boner and go home LOL. At least the club could do is offer BBBJ service for extra 100 USD, which already is rip off compare to Germany.Dude, this is USA we are talking about! At least throw in a BBBJ, you say? Like "at least give them a salt and pepper shaker with those fries!" LOL. Here, our presidents risk impeachment to get a quick blowjob from a slightly out of shape GND haha. If only obtaining head was so easy.
Yes, go home and rub one off or put a condom on and let the girl grind you to climax where such lap dances are possible (and dispose it off in the men's room).
Lucky Nuts
09-01-20, 02:45
What stops American entrepreneur to open maybe not the same, but similar set up as FKK in USA? Legal restriction? But I thought in Nevada and some states, prostitution is legal, so something similar to FKK set up can be done if some entrepreneur is brave as Larryflynt.If it was possible it would have been done. Only one state, Nevada, allows prostitution and then the counties within that state need to pass a law allowing businesses to provide the service. Highly populated counties do not vote to allow so a handful of sparsely populated counties about an hour outside of Las Vegas do have legal prostitution. It's a widely believed fallacy that prostitution is legal in Las Vegas. Yes it's available if you know where and how to look but it's not either legal or encouraged. A few years ago it was more tolerated in all casino bars to have working girls hanging around but most places no longer allow them to take up space. Some casinos still tolerate them if the girls are not too obvious about it and act like they are interested in playing the gambling machine at their bar seat.
Regarding strip clubs I think "value" might depend on whether you are a drinking and party kind of guy or not. Because I am I go to Pattaya as well even though the hottest girls will rarely leave with me for sex (because I'm not Asian). Still I love the vibe and energy of being in that loud and wild agogo bar environment. And for a party Spearmint Rhino Vegas on a Friday night makes an Pattaya gogo bar seem dull by comparison. The energy in the place is just off the chart. And like fishing sometimes you're able to hook something to take home and eat. So yeah if you just want a quiet evening and easy sex the FKKs are perfect for you. If you want a wild party time and a challenge to find sex Vegas is a great.
If you're really looking for sex in Vegas though don't go to strip clubs. Look at the main bars in each casino very late at night for single girls in high heels playing machines.
If it was possible it would have been done. Only one state, Nevada, allows prostitution and then the counties within that state need to pass a law allowing businesses to provide the service. Highly populated counties do not vote to allow so a handful of sparsely populated counties about an hour outside of Las Vegas do have legal prostitution. It's a widely believed fallacy that prostitution is legal in Las Vegas. Yes it's available if you know where and how to look but it's not either legal or encouraged. A few years ago it was more tolerated in all casino bars to have working girls hanging around but most places no longer allow them to take up space. Some casinos still tolerate them if the girls are not too obvious about it and act like they are interested in playing the gambling machine at their bar seat.
Regarding strip clubs I think "value" might depend on whether you are a drinking and party kind of guy or not. Because I am I go to Pattaya as well even though the hottest girls will rarely leave with me for sex (because I'm not Asian). Still I love the vibe and energy of being in that loud and wild agogo bar environment. And for a party Spearmint Rhino Vegas on a Friday night makes an Pattaya gogo bar seem dull by comparison. The energy in the place is just off the chart. And like fishing sometimes you're able to hook something to take home and eat. So yeah if you just want a quiet evening and easy sex the FKKs are perfect for you. If you want a wild party time and a challenge to find sex Vegas is a great.
If you're really looking for sex in Vegas though don't go to strip clubs. Look at the main bars in each casino very late at night for single girls in high heels playing machines.Alright, it would be good business to set up FKK like set up in Nevada and call it "United colors of college tuition fee support center" LOL!
I am not that into Thai girls, but I do like Eurasian (mixed blood, half white, half Asian), which are rare bleed to find in Thailand or any nations in Asia actually, but now and them, I manage to find Eurasian stunner (About 1 to 3 per year and I am constantly in search for them in the mongering market).
Having said that, I am glad we all know where is the best places for mongering and we just have to fly. And hey, it is nice we travel at the same time of mongering, it kind of have synergy affect and make the trips we take more memorable. Only down side is we mostly only go to same countries or even same cities when we take our trips LOL! But at least when we see or hear Berlin, Frankfurt, NRW cities or Zurich, it put smile on our face as these cities are filled with amazing obscene memories that we cherish for life. Isn't it great?
A while ago, quite a few of my co-workers, especially the sales guys, would occasionally or even frequently head out to a local strip club after a long day at work when on road. Even the lady co workers would join them. Now? Forget it! This is definitely one area where feminist influence has been seen in US work place
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But younger generations are largely eschewing strip clubs and company-expensed strip club business meetings are a thing of the past due to workplace changes. Recently, sportswear maker Under Armour told employees they could no longer write off expenses for strip club visits, with the Wall Street Journal reporting employees being told that "strip-club visits were symptomatic of practices women at Under Armour found demeaning. ".
The lack of millennial may face a bigger challenge for adult entertainment outlets. "The Baby Boomers are retiring. They were for 20 years an amazing customer base," Alan Markovitz who operates gentlemen's clubs in four states recently told the BBC. "The millennial are not coming to the strip clubs that much. That's the issue."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48667681
https://www.foxbusiness.com/industrials/strip-clubs-are-getting-a-high-tech-overhaul-but-will-it-be-enough-to-save-them
Sorry, don't mean to be trolling here but this is probably of some interest to US old timers.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-31/ron-jeremy-charged-additional-counts-of-sexual-misconduct
I was never a fan of this guy but he has his share. I am surprised he is sill able to get it up after so much fucking, get it Hard enough enough to be are a p in g these girls as per the allegations. He has been forever out of shape as we all know.
A while ago, quite a few of my co-workers, especially the sales guys, would occasionally or even frequently head out to a local strip club after a long day at work when on road. It is interesting that you say that. Like at one of my first sales jobs, my boss always called us prostitutes. LOL. That was how I realized there was no difference. So I do believe sales people are having an easier time understanding the hardships of the work P6 or stripper girls have to live with. And sales people might also therefore have less prejudice towards this type of work.
I do not see a point in these strip clubs in USA. You basically go there to get boner and go home LOL. At least the club could do is offer BBBJ service for extra 100 USD, which already is rip off compare to Germany.https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-indy-explains-how-legal-prostitution-works-in-nevada
In a Nevada brothel, Full sex at Dennis Hof's brothels, which has better looking girls, charge $1,000 per hour. The girl has to pays 50% of what she makes to the club.
The main reason, Nevada or any US city would never have FKK is too many religious people would never allow it and there is no easy source of girls to work in the clubs for $50. Germany, Austria, Switzerland have easy access to poor girls from Romania, Bulgaria and many other East European countries where 50 Euros is a lot of money to them.
FKK to me more a of relaxation club and cannot be compared to a strip club. For $60 Euro, You can come early eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. Enjoy dry sauna, steam sauna, professional massage, swimming pool, watch sports on tv and full bar. With 100's of fully naked young women ranging from girl next door to absolute stunner walking around ready to have sex is the icing on the cake.
I dream of COVID to be over, clubs reopen and all of us enjoy FKK again.
Alessandro527
09-01-20, 07:07
FKK to me more a of relaxation club and cannot be compared to a strip club. For $60 Euro, You can come early eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. Enjoy dry sauna, steam sauna, professional massage, swimming pool, watch sports on tv and full bar. With 100's of fully naked young women ranging from girl next door to absolute stunner walking around ready to have sex is the icing on the cake.
I dream of COVID to be over, clubs reopen and all of us enjoy FKK again.I find the entry which in most cases is 75 and 90 in Artemis way too much for what I get for free in FKK club. Only very few visitors have 3 meals as you mentioned and many don't even try the food which in most cases is fast food level. The professional massage is 1 euro per minute so not free. What is left? Swim and have sauna and watch Bundesliga? Even the naked girls you get so used to them after 10 minutes. I don't even know why we pay entry, when we have to pay for the girls, the drinks etc. I would rather prefer a flat rate entrance with minimum time, in example fuck, drink and eat as much as you can in 4 hours. I would happily pay for that.
ExpatLover
09-01-20, 07:10
In a Nevada brothel, Full sex at Dennis Hof's brothels, which has better looking girls, charge $1,000 per hour. The girl has to pays 50% of what she makes to the club.
The main reason, Nevada or any US city would never have FKK is too many religious people would never allow it and there is no easy source of girls to work in the clubs for $50. Germany, Austria, Switzerland have easy access to poor girls from Romania, Bulgaria and many other East European countries where 50 Euros is a lot of money to them.
FKK to me more a of relaxation club and cannot be compared to a strip club. For $60 Euro, You can come early eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. Enjoy dry sauna, steam sauna, professional massage, swimming pool, watch sports on TV and full bar. With 100's of fully naked young women ranging from girl next door to absolute stunner walking around ready to have sex is the icing on the cake.
I dream of COVID to be over, clubs reopen and all of us enjoy FKK again.
EL: less and less girls from Romania or Bulgaria are entering the prostitution, since 2015 so few new and fresh girls in the FKK, mostly always the same veteran around even only 24 YO, I am often travelling in Hungary, Romania and I can tell there are a lot of very sexy and fresh girls but they find a better way to make their living that to open their legs and mouth to everyone willing to pay 50 euros. With the covid and the new closing of the boarders like today Hungary.
(by car you need to cross Hungary if you want to go to Austria, Germany, Switzerland) I don t believe the LU will be great in the FKK, the nice and clever girls don t want to put their health at risk only the desperate will prostitute.
https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-indy-explains-how-legal-prostitution-works-in-nevada
In a Nevada brothel, Full sex at Dennis Hof's brothels, which has better looking girls, charge $1,000 per hour. The girl has to pays 50% of what she makes to the club.
The main reason, Nevada or any US city would never have FKK is too many religious people would never allow it and there is no easy source of girls to work in the clubs for $50. Germany, Austria, Switzerland have easy access to poor girls from Romania, Bulgaria and many other East European countries where 50 Euros is a lot of money to them.
FKK to me more a of relaxation club and cannot be compared to a strip club. For $60 Euro, You can come early eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. Enjoy dry sauna, steam sauna, professional massage, swimming pool, watch sports on tv and full bar. With 100's of fully naked young women ranging from girl next door to absolute stunner walking around ready to have sex is the icing on the cake.
I dream of COVID to be over, clubs reopen and all of us enjoy FKK again.1000 USD per hour in USA brothel is 100 Euro per hour in German FKK LOL!
US has good access to Mexican girls though or you can actually just go to Mexico to fuck some nice Mexican beauties there? Are there any nice set up in Mexico across the border with stunner level Mexican girls?
For rest of my life, I will frequent FKK, it was the set up I have been searching for and I found it when I was 29 years old in 2009 and I am still excited each time I go. Fucking new beautiful stunner level girl is one of very few things I do not get bored even though I have done it so many times. Many other things in life you can get bored with easily, but not fucking new beautiful stunner level girls.
Aren't we lucky as a man? What we dreamed of when we were teen became into reality. I have been mongering the best girls since age 17, but it was always harder to find stunner girls before as I only go with stunners, but when I found FKK, number of stunners I find and I fucked accelerated. FKK is truly the best platform of brothel out there. Thanks to Germany, Switzerland and Austria. It is something to do with German speaking country and freedom like access to good sex with good quality girls. German speakers are kinky LOL!
Megan will be 25 soon. If You saw new German Sofia with far prettier face than Linda. When I see American women, even maybe Mexicans and Puerto Ricans in US clubs, but I doubt for same level of looks.If paid sex worth in US with beauties who could compete with Romanians, then US would not need to fly and pay expensive to come to enjoy FKK land and regret so much, frustrated when closed. Some pretty Mexicans or Puerto Ricans, when American women are pretty in films, but so many fat and silicon. Same for me, if I had a club in France with French beauties who can compete with Romanians, French women can compete and stay prettier when getting older, not a strip club like Hustler or Pink paradise David Guetta, then I won t drive to FKK land. When I met 14 Russian escorts on July 2014, now and nothing about virus, I m happy when I succeed to find one as pretty as my best Romanians in FKK land, even I don t find many pretty in FKK land, but since Amour Russe was stopped by police raid, even they are rare for me, but FKK land is best place to find beauties. Not only Germany for FKK land. Wait and see for what will happen for Artemis which tell to increase entry to 90, like at GT Vienna, but do they have allowance and how for health safety?
Mongerer88
09-01-20, 13:19
You guys are always trying to compare the organized system of Germany (particularly the ultimate organized system of the FKKs) to an organized system in the United States, but that doesn't work.
The USA Has been on the attack against anything organized when it comes to commercial sex for a decade or two. So the USA System has become a disorganized system with prices all over the place that doesn't yield itself to comparisons. And for guys who like to hang out at a place, there is little or nothing in existence.
The legal Nevada brothels are an extraordinarily small part of the overall scene. Clinical and ridiculously overpriced and not reflective of the price per hour paid by most Johns in the USA For commercial sex.
Zoning laws and threats of zoning revocations for places known to provide sex in back rooms have destroyed strip clubs. And little changes in zoning like buffers between the customers and guys have made enforcement of violations easier. They are largely worthless now.
Same with massage parlors. Many places require all kinds of professional licensing for a business to operate.
The federal government did so many asset seizures of escort agencies where ladies cross state lines that big multi-state escort agencies no longer exist.
And for the lower-priced ladies, the Fosta / Sesta law and the seizure of Backpage destroyed the efficiency of mass advertising.
So the USA Scene is primarily independent escorts with their own websites, a few local intrastate escort agencies in relatively friendly jurisdictions, Sugar Babies, and a very few small classified mass-advertisement websites. Prices are all over the place, and "regulars" get much better deals in terms of prices and level of services. A lot of new experiences for Johns come from referrals from existing sex workers. The only Organization is that the sex workers themselves maintain good contacts with each other, mostly because the scene requires screening of customers.
So it is really impossible to compare the organized scene in Germany to the widely varying disorganized scene in the USA I suppose the only possible advantage of the disorganized scene is that it has become basically impossible for further attack by law enforcement without getting to a level of intrusiveness that even the general public would object to. And it no longer relies on the government for its continued existence, as is the case with German FKKs.
The USA Scene as it now exists isn't what guys who like FKKs are looking for, but it does exist beyond Nevada brothels and strip clubs.
...............I left New York city 17 years ago. When I lived in NY, if you were relatively young and good looking, it was possible to have sex with the strippers after they finished their work and you could take them home. Of course, you had to be good looking and relatively young. How is the sex scene in NYC nowaday?I had really good sex with NYC hookers in the 1970's and 1980's. Then again I was younger. But then came Rudy Giuliani. Nowadays if you live there you can have ok coitus with escorts, not as enjoyable as in FKKs and more expensive. The internet has reviews of massage parlors and the like. There is a site that has reviews of MPs, I have forgotten the name something to do with maps, google should help.
I had really good sex with NYC hookers in the 1970's and 1980's. Then again I was younger. But then came Rudy Giuliani. Nowadays if you live there you can have ok coitus with escorts, not as enjoyable as in FKKs and more expensive. The internet has reviews of massage parlors and the like. There is a site that has reviews of MPs, I have forgotten the name something to do with maps, google should help.From 80's until early this century, you could find some ads of illegal brothels in the newspaper "The Village Voice" for "high-class" girls. At that time, the cheapest places were in Jackson Heights, Queens, New York, where a lot of illegal Latino immigrants who were eager to sell themselves for money were and the standard price was $30 for 20 minutes (later raised to $35). You could actually find some real Latin beauties with very sexy body there.
The most expensive sex establishment I have been to in my life is an illegal members-only sex club in New York. The hourly rate of the girls there was from $1000 to $1500. Remember that was the price over 20 years ago. Almost all the girls were aspiring models or actresses with superior optics. I was not a member of the club and was introduced by a 19-year-old girl who worked there and whom I knew and did. She later on became the sugar baby of a rich dude who paid her $20,000 or $25,000 per month (because I can't remember exactly which amount she told me anymore). Pessimist, we already had sugarbabie market over 20 years ago LOL.
Lucky Nuts
09-01-20, 17:46
Alright, it would be good business to set up FKK like set up in Nevada and call it "United colors of college tuition fee support center" LOL!
I am not that into Thai girls, but I do like Eurasian (mixed blood, half white, half Asian), which are rare bleed to find in Thailand or any nations in Asia actually, but now and them, I manage to find Eurasian stunner (About 1 to 3 per year and I am constantly in search for them in the mongering market).
Having said that, I am glad we all know where is the best places for mongering and we just have to fly. And hey, it is nice we travel at the same time of mongering, it kind of have synergy affect and make the trips we take more memorable. Only down side is we mostly only go to same countries or even same cities when we take our trips LOL! But at least when we see or hear Berlin, Frankfurt, NRW cities or Zurich, it put smile on our face as these cities are filled with amazing obscene memories that we cherish for life. Isn't it great?It has already been set up Mr. Ho and it's called the Chicken Ranch. Here's a link.
https://chickenranchbrothel.com/ladies/
The most expensive sex establishment I have been to in my life is an illegal members-only sex club in New York. The hourly rate of the girls there was from $1000 to $1500. Remember that was the price over 20 years ago. Almost all the girls were aspiring models or actresses with superior optics. I was not a member of the club and was introduced by a 19-year-old girl who worked there and whom I knew and did. She later on became the sugar baby of a rich dude who paid her $20,000 or $25,000 per month (because I can't remember exactly which amount she told me anymore). Pessimist, we already had sugarbabie market over 20 years ago LOL.Wow, $25 grand is a lot. That is $300 K annually, for just one girl. Even if my net worth was $10 M, I would not be willing to part 3% of it annually for sex w / just one girl. Perhaps if I had $100 M I might, but that will not happen in this life for me, so there is that.
Yeah, I imagine the concept of sugarbabe must have existed for a long time whatever they were called. Mistress, doxy, concubine, live in lover, kept woman. As in everything else, internet democratized this, expanded supply and brought in more girls, and probably reduced the prices.
The most I have ever been asked is 10 grand for a month, and that happened only a few times. I quickly filtered such girls out. Obviously, I am not as rich (or profligate) as that rich dude who offered $25 K / month.
I find the entry which in most cases is 75 and 90 in Artemis way too much for what I get for free in FKK club. Only very few visitors have 3 meals as you mentioned and many don't even try the food which in most cases is fast food level. The professional massage is 1 euro per minute so not free. What is left? Swim and have sauna and watch Bundesliga? Even the naked girls you get so used to them after 10 minutes. I don't even know why we pay entry, when we have to pay for the girls, the drinks etc. I would rather prefer a flat rate entrance with minimum time, in example fuck, drink and eat as much as you can in 4 hours. I would happily pay for that.Go to Aphrodisia or Amesia in Zurich with free entry and free drinks, but no foods. You pay only girls. At Gold. De, from breakfast to 1 am, you could eat 10 times for only 25 € with free drinks, and if you managed well with girls, You could have nearly 40 mn for 40, and few beauties, even found one who had Globe level in bed. She was so lost on our discovery, but she remembered for our second time. At Olymp Solothurn. Ch, can eat really good steak, free drinks, sauna, jacuzzi, shower, for only 10 CHF.
ExpatLover
09-01-20, 22:36
EL: never believe any world coming out from the mouth of a prostitute, how many girls told me they will move to Dubai they found a rich guy, or I have a transport company it is my last month in the club, or I am dentist or I am student. All is bulshitt, 99% of the girls are still prostitutes 5 years latter only very few can quit and have a normal life, a lot of them have nothing when they are 35+, even they earned a lot of money but spent even more for the boyfriend, for useless things or made bad investment.
You guys are always trying to compare the organized system of Germany (particularly the ultimate organized system of the FKKs) to an organized system in the United States, but that doesn't work.
The USA Has been on the attack against anything organized when it comes to commercial sex for a decade or two. So the USA System has become a disorganized system with prices all over the place that doesn't yield itself to comparisons. And for guys who like to hang out at a place, there is little or nothing in existence.
The legal Nevada brothels are an extraordinarily small part of the overall scene. Clinical and ridiculously overpriced and not reflective of the price per hour paid by most Johns in the USA For commercial sex.
Zoning laws and threats of zoning revocations for places known to provide sex in back rooms have destroyed strip clubs. And little changes in zoning like buffers between the customers and guys have made enforcement of violations easier. They are largely worthless now.
Same with massage parlors. Many places require all kinds of professional licensing for a business to operate.
The federal government did so many asset seizures of escort agencies where ladies cross state lines that big multi-state escort agencies no longer exist..You make many good points. People often use the moniker "sex prison" when it comes to USA and I have abused that phrase myself occasionally. But "tough to obtain organized sex" as you put it does not equate to "no paid sex is happening in USA". Far from it. One just has to be more diligent, proactive and patient. The thing is that for those staying patient and diligent, wonderful deals can fall in their lap occasionally and when they do. All the more satisfying but one has to search for them. They are not like picking a couple of egg rolls at a Chinese restaurant buffer.
You are also very right about NV brothels. I had been to the one near Reno (Moonlight Bunny ranch?) several years ago and also one near LV (think it was Pathrump? Forgetting the name). Having now been inside FKKs, I will never again set foot in any of these NV brothels. I do see these brothels bring slightly washed up porn stars at high prices as headline acts to attract customers. If you have a fantasy about any specific porn starlet NV brothels may be an easy way to meet, although I do see that you can meet many of them through escort sites or perhaps even writing to them directly. Occasionally some of these porn stars also make cameo appearances in sugar babe sites but my experience is that their quoted prices are always too high and not worth it unless you have a specific fantasy about them.
The good thing about sugar babe sites is that over time, you can accumulate several contacts in many cities including phone numbers, IG / Snap etc. If you meet any of them for a dinner and then a fuck session, there is nothing illegal and not a thing that LE can do about it. You both know each other, know what's on each one's mind, know all the details including prices and expected money. Such sessions feel quite natural and beyond the reach of any LE officer.
https://www.6profis.de/private-models/waldbroel/100-girls/lea-29917.html did someone spot LEA in last Time? Someone?
It has already been set up Mr. Ho and it's called the Chicken Ranch. Here's a link.
https://chickenranchbrothel.com/ladies/OK, but I do not like the optics of chickens at their chicken ranch LOL!
FKK sure has stunner level girls by far comparison to rest of world. FKK changed my image on brothel.
You guys are always trying to compare the organized system of Germany (particularly the ultimate organized system of the FKKs) to an organized system in the United States, but that doesn't work.
The USA Has been on the attack against anything organized when it comes to commercial sex for a decade or two. So the USA System has become a disorganized system with prices all over the place that doesn't yield itself to comparisons. And for guys who like to hang out at a place, there is little or nothing in existence.
The legal Nevada brothels are an extraordinarily small part of the overall scene. Clinical and ridiculously overpriced and not reflective of the price per hour paid by most Johns in the USA For commercial sex.
Zoning laws and threats of zoning revocations for places known to provide sex in back rooms have destroyed strip clubs. And little changes in zoning like buffers between the customers and guys have made enforcement of violations easier. They are largely worthless now.Well they better get more organized, so that they do not shoot people with guns with bullets, but they will shoot beautiful prostitute with their penis with sperm LOL! Second one is more fun and better way of living LOL!
I find the entry which in most cases is 75 and 90 in Artemis way too much for what I get for free in FKK club. Only very few visitors have 3 meals as you mentioned and many don't even try the food which in most cases is fast food level. The professional massage is 1 euro per minute so not free. What is left? Swim and have sauna and watch Bundesliga? Even the naked girls you get so used to them after 10 minutes. I don't even know why we pay entry, when we have to pay for the girls, the drinks etc. I would rather prefer a flat rate entrance with minimum time, in example fuck, drink and eat as much as you can in 4 hours. I would happily pay for that.Since the owner of Artemis is Turkish guy, it is better for Artemis to stick to Turkish food only and kebab.
I do not go to FKK to eat, but it would be nicer if the food in FKK is nicer.
EL: never believe any world coming out from the mouth of a prostitute, how many girls told me they will move to Dubai they found a rich guy, or I have a transport company it is my last month in the club, or I am dentist or I am student. All is bulshitt, 99% of the girls are still prostitutes 5 years latter only very few can quit and have a normal life, a lot of them have nothing when they are 35+, even they earned a lot of money but spent even more for the boyfriend, for useless things or made bad investment.Unfortunately, when I would really like they make a good life with money they made being fucked, but when few most often lose their money in not working business in poor Romania, sometimes business being for pimp, if they were able to make good business, they would not work for years to be fucked. More safe for Elen to work at Sharks with Asians than in Dubai.
Those who lives by beautiful young stunner prostitutes fucking die by them mongers! You got nothing to worry about when it comes to societal norms LOL!
Wow, $25 grand is a lot. That is $300 K annually, for just one girl. Even if my net worth was $10 M, I would not be willing to part 3% of it annually for sex w / just one girl. Perhaps if I had $100 M I might, but that will not happen in this life for me, so there is that.
Yeah, I imagine the concept of sugarbabe must have existed for a long time whatever they were called. Mistress, doxy, concubine, live in lover, kept woman. As in everything else, internet democratized this, expanded supply and brought in more girls, and probably reduced the prices.
The most I have ever been asked is 10 grand for a month, and that happened only a few times. I quickly filtered such girls out. Obviously, I am not as rich (or profligate) as that rich dude who offered $25 K / month.I was joking a little about her being his sugar baby because she moved in to this guy's house although she still kept her own apartment. Presumably this dude thought they were in an exclusive SD / SB relationship, which means she was only having sex with him. So the relationship is a little different from sugar baby we understand now. I would say he rented her.
In addition, she was a 19-year-old model in NY and, in my opinion, could easily beat any WG in FKK clubs I have seen in terms of look and figure. So I think that 20 K to 25 K a month is not overpriced in New York.
Mongerer88
09-02-20, 12:06
I was joking a little about her being his sugar baby because she moved in to this guy's house although she still kept her own apartment. Presumably this dude thought they were in an exclusive SD / SB relationship, which means she was only having sex with him. So the relationship is a little different from sugar baby we understand now. I would say he rented her.
In addition, she was a 19-year-old model in NY and, in my opinion, could easily beat any WG in FKK clubs I have seen in terms of look and figure. So I think that 20 K to 25 K a month is not overpriced in New York.You reminded me of a funny story. The best looking lady I ever saw in New York City was a blond Ukrainian long ago in a makeshift brothel on Water Street, which is right by Wall Street. Huge apartment with three bedrooms and a very large living room. This was before the Cyclones of Shit in New York City, so all they wanted as screening was an out-of-state license. I had read on a review board that she was brand new and smoking hot. I got there too early after making an appointment for a specific time and was informed that she was running late. The place was hilarious in that they truly had curtains and ropes in strategic positions to try to make it so that customers did not see each other. I was placed in the huge living room and a chunky Puerto Rican girl with big boobs held my hand while we watched TV and told me she was available if I didn't want to wait. I kept telling myself, Wait, Wait, No Chunky Puerto Rican. Thank God I did. One of the doors opened and I could see a blond girl leading a guy in a suit and tie through the maze. I didn't see distinguishable faces, but he clearly said I will see you tomorrow. She cane out to get me 10-15 minutes later and she was everything she was cracked up to be. She really wasn't that expensive either, although it was long ago. Like $350 or $400 for one hour with two cums (which was less of a problem to accomplish when I was younger). She had just arrived from the Ukraine to study Psychology in college. Sure enough, she was gone from the online roster in about three weeks. Someone took her off the market, clearly. The place on Water Street was gone a year or so later. Someone said the ladies complained about lack of hot water in the winter (too many hot showers I guess), but who knows? The group switched to multiple small incall places by appointment for a while, then eventually disappeared entirely when the scene changed thanks to Giuliani and Bloomberg.
The two ladies I see in NYC now aren't going to get taken off the market. They both charge a lot, have other jobs, are very independent, and have relationships with other girls. One said she sometimes books other female sex workers for sessions. Independents by nature, particularly if they have worked in the industry for a while, are unlikely to put too many eggs in one basket.
I was joking a little about her being his sugar baby because she moved in to this guy's house although she still kept her own apartment. Presumably this dude thought they were in an exclusive SD / SB relationship, which means she was only having sex with him. So the relationship is a little different from sugar baby we understand now. I would say he rented her.
In addition, she was a 19-year-old model in NY and, in my opinion, could easily beat any WG in FKK clubs I have seen in terms of look and figure. So I think that 20 K to 25 K a month is not overpriced in New York.The concept of a "sugar baby" is nothing new. It's just been called different things over time. What you're talking about here is more of a "kept woman". And I bet for all that money she wasn't even doing anal!
HammerTime96
09-02-20, 14:22
Recently I drove past Saarlouis in Saarland, and after viewing the line up of ladies (see link below), I was highly tempted to try a visit at Villa Venetia.
https://www.villa-venezia.de/en/ladies.html
However when you click on a photo, you see the following warning in German: "WICHTIGER HINWEIS WEGEN Covid19:
Alle Services können geändert oder nicht erlaubt sein. Aktuelle Informationen bitte per E-Mail oder telefonisch erfagen!
Rough translation: "Important notice due to Covid19; all services can be either changed or not allowed. Please call or email for current information. "
Not wanting to get ripped off, and not wanting to fuck a girl wearing one of those face diapers, I didn't even bother to call.
The concept of a "sugar baby" is nothing new. It's just been called different things over time. What you're talking about here is more of a "kept woman". And I bet for all that money she wasn't even doing anal!I agree it is more of a "kept woman" as you said. You are also right that she didn't do anal. I did her many times before she worked in that high-end sex club. She told me that she didn't do anal, although I never asked her to do it because anal is not my thing.
The two ladies I see in NYC now aren't going to get taken off the market. They both charge a lot, have other jobs, are very independent, and have relationships with other girls. One said she sometimes books other female sex workers for sessions. Independents by nature, particularly if they have worked in the industry for a while, are unlikely to put too many eggs in one basket.I would imagine that the incall brothels in New York would be very difficult to survive nowadays if they advertize.
ExpatLover
09-02-20, 17:38
EL: I used to book many escort when I see the photos from villa-Venezia for sure I will never go there, all is photoshop and smell the cheating.
Since the owner of Artemis is Turkish guy, it is better for Artemis to stick to Turkish food only and kebab.
I do not go to FKK to eat, but it would be nicer if the food in FKK is nicer.I love kebab, ate whole night until 4 am at Samya, was also quite good at Velbert on Fridays and Saturdays on 2016/2017. I don't fuck before eating. On Sunday 12 March 2017, just arriving at LR, my best ever girl came straight to me even before I saw her, telling me: If you want me, I want to go with you. She usually weekly started her day with me. One of our best room in 21 in sunlight with her exceptional behavior, but after 1 h30 in bed, I went straight to eat just after.
I love kebab, ate whole night until 4 am at Samya, was also quite good at Velbert on Fridays and Saturdays on 2016/2017. I don't fuck before eating. On Sunday 12 March 2017, just arriving at LR, my best ever girl came straight to me even before I saw her, telling me: If you want me, I want to go with you. She usually weekly started her day with me. One of our best room in 21 in sunlight with her exceptional behavior, but after 1 h30 in bed, I went straight to eat just after.Siri, how do you remember the exact day of your visit to which club? Do you keep diary or something?
Yes, Kebab can be good food for FKK and it is easier to make good one than other food. I hope they just make kebab stand or pasta stand at FKK, so food cannot go that wrong. And good salad bar. That is all they need. It is when they try to do barbecue etc. Things tend to go bit wrong LOL.
.........The most expensive sex establishment I have been to in my life is an illegal members-only sex club in New York. The hourly rate of the girls there was from $1000 to $1500. Remember that was the price over 20 years ago.............In the 1970's and 1980's I was not as well off as I am now but fortunately the prices I paid were much less. One of my favorite places was smack in the middle of 42nd street. You go up the stairs and you see a glass wall and glass door with about 10 girls sitting around in lingerie on the other side, you pay the guy at the door $12 and you get let in, you choose your girl and pay her on average $20 for 20 minutes. You enter a room and do the deed. If you are not finished by 20 minutes a huge muscle bound guy enters the room without knocking and says time is up. In those days I had no problem coming in 20 minutes, many times I was fully dressed by then. Even at those prices I could not afford to go often, perhaps once or twice per week.
Because riots, be it in Hong Kong, or some US BLM riot all boils down to the economy. And other motives, usually good motives, normally get used instead.
Monger board riots against facial masks, or Berlin riots against corona restrictions, are other results of the same thing: lost jobs, and a dysfunctional financial system balancing on a knives edge, not able to automatically respond.
I agree it is more of a "kept woman" as you said. You are also right that she didn't do anal. I did her many times before she worked in that high-end sex club. She told me that she didn't do anal, although I never asked her to do it because anal is not my thing.
I would imagine that the incall brothels in New York would be very difficult to survive nowadays if they advertize.You just have to go to FKK JFK Airport, then you will arrive at transit points of your choice which is one of German airport, then off you go directly to your final destination FKK whatever you have chosen.
We. Fly in mongers have to go through above process instead of wasting money on some useless escorts or strip clubs etc Like are Kelly said, I believe I can fly, I believe I can tough the sky, well we mongers did and we are fine, are Kelly did in his home nation USA and look where he is at now, prison.
Aren't we lucky as a man? What we dreamed of when we were teen became into reality. I have been mongering the best girls since age 17, but it was always harder to find stunner girls before as I only go with stunners, but when I found FKK, number of stunners I find and I fucked accelerated. FKK is truly the best platform of brothel out there. Thanks to Germany, Switzerland and Austria. It is something to do with German speaking country and freedom like access to good sex with good quality girls. German speakers are kinky LOL!You can't cay Germany is the best until you have been to all of the top mongering destinations in the world. You have not been to Brazil, and I say confidently to thee that Brazilian Portuguese speakers are the kinky best! Germany is second. As a matter of full disclosure, I have not been to the Dominican Republic. At the same time, I don't see to many people saying the DR is the best, and I seriously doubt I would either based on all of the research I have done and the intelligence I have gathered. Brazil rules! But for purposes of this thread, we can go with Germany LOL!
Smoke Light
09-03-20, 04:19
The good thing about sugar babe sites is that over time, you can accumulate several contacts in many cities including phone numbers, IG / Snap etc. If you meet any of them for a dinner and then a fuck session, there is nothing illegal and not a thing that LE can do about it. You both know each other, know what's on each one's mind, know all the details including prices and expected money. Such sessions feel quite natural and beyond the reach of any LE officer.Let's just say "beyond the reach of LE" is a bit too optimistic, pessimist? And LE isn't the worst part. I wouldn't even care about some shitty fine. It's what comes after it. When it's your public record, when you lose your job, and your reputation is destroyed. A career built many years and now down the drain. At least for me, and I am sure for many others on this forum, this obsession with public shaming in US and astronomically disproportionate risk taking when buying sex, what really turns off any appetite for mongering in this country.
Siri, how do you remember the exact day of your visit to which club? Do you keep diary or something?
Yes, Kebab can be good food for FKK and it is easier to make good one than other food. I hope they just make kebab stand or pasta stand at FKK, so food cannot go that wrong. And good salad bar. That is all they need. It is when they try to do barbecue etc. Things tend to go bit wrong LOL.During my studies and army, I was trained for memory, but I remember because I'm different, I don't go to empty balls, I go to dream, empty balls are just little death, sweet enjoyable dreams even sometimes bad end, are in your mind, so much more enjoyable than just fucking a piece of meat. I remember 1 year after I stopped with her when she was my best pleasure, on first time she saw me with Daniela, I didn't know they knew before LR because living in same Romanian town, but I saw her eyes. I m sure she would have told me again: You humiliate me again, when I really didn't know about this, but was so happy about what Daniela told me about her, because truth she told me when she started, before changing for money. After beauty and charm, behavior is the most important for me. Girls also remember a lot, at least with me.
Mongerer88
09-03-20, 18:01
Let's just say "beyond the reach of LE" is a bit too optimistic, pessimist? And LE isn't the worst part. I wouldn't even care about some shitty fine. It's what comes after it. When it's your public record, when you lose your job, and your reputation is destroyed. A career built many years and now down the drain. At least for me, and I am sure for many others on this forum, this obsession with public shaming in US and astronomically disproportionate risk taking when buying sex, what really turns off any appetite for mongering in this country.You are falling into the traps quite nicely that have been set for you.
There is an enormous difference between what law enforcement does in a fake ad sting on Backpage with explicit texts, and what law enforcement simply cannot do in a scenario involving either Sugar Baby sites and even with reviewed independent escorts who have their own websites and screen.
If you would study actual arrests and police procedures in the USA You would realize this. I suppose it is possible, although not likely, for the police to do a fake Sugar Baby profile and immediately take the conversation to text with explicit sex for money discussions, but any reasonable customer should not reply to such texts. It actually isn't the private sex in a one-on-one environment that gets you arrested in the USA, it is the solicitation. If it is the sex that gets you arrested, which is very rare, it will occur at a facility where others are having sex, also.
Law Enforcement in the USA Does not create fake websites for relatively expensive independent escorts, do screening, and manage to get fake reviews from experienced reviewers.
There are ways to do this activity in the USA That costs a lot of money but generates zero risk of arrest and exposure. The hassle is the money and the uncertainty of the services that will be provided. When you really are buying time and companionship, the sex is legal, but by definition uncertain.
But USA Law enforcement thanks you for perpetuating the types of myths that exist. And there is no shortage of lower-priced sex transactions outside the realm of legal safety for it to make arrests. Lots of no-screening ads, massage parlors out in the open, and street walkers.
Let's just say "beyond the reach of LE" is a bit too optimistic, pessimist? And LE isn't the worst part. I wouldn't even care about some shitty fine. It's what comes after it. When it's your public record, when you lose your job, and your reputation is destroyed. A career built many years and now down the drain. At least for me, and I am sure for many others on this forum, this obsession with public shaming in US and astronomically disproportionate risk taking when buying sex, what really turns off any appetite for mongering in this country.Risk, like many other things, falls somewhere between 0% and 100%, right?! 100% being total ruin. I am not saying it is 0% but the question is what is an acceptable amount and what is the trade off you are willing to accept.
Say, for example, the next time you are in a FKK. A fire breaks out and you are half burnt. The news is shown globally, you may be caught on TV as you are rescued. Your spouse and co workers come to know. Or, some other accident or even a fight happens and you are caught in the middle and again your wife knows about it back home. It is not a 100% risk but it is most definitely not 0% either. You just think it is low enough and are wiling to accept it for the sake of pleasure you are obtaining in the club.
In the paragraph below, I did not say all the sugarbabe meets are 0% risk. What I was referring to very specifically was meeting with girls who were already my existing sugar babes and with who I had some connection and sex in the past. If you meet such a girl for a dinner and then move onto sex at a hotel room later, you are hardly making any reference to any sex discussion, money discussion because both parties know what to expect.
Generally, to the extent possible, I try not to have sex on the first day I meet these sugar babes. That is me.
You are right, it is unpleasant to even contemplate the risks we have in US in such situations, but in my view, the risk can be managed with some common sense on our part and general precautions. As Mongerer88 said, generally sting operations are quite rare and if you saty below the radar and be sensible and have your wits about you, you don't need to be totally celibate in the US.
Smoke Light
09-03-20, 20:33
You are falling into the traps quite nicely that have been set for you.
There is an enormous difference between what law enforcement does in a fake ad sting on Backpage with explicit texts, and what law enforcement simply cannot do in a scenario involving either Sugar Baby sites and even with reviewed independent escorts who have their own websites and screen.
If you would study actual arrests and police procedures in the USA You would realize this. I suppose it is possible, although not likely, for the police to do a fake Sugar Baby profile and immediately take the conversation to text with explicit sex for money discussions, but any reasonable customer should not reply to such texts. It actually isn't the private sex in a one-on-one environment that gets you arrested in the USA, it is the solicitation. If it is the sex that gets you arrested, which is very rare, it will occur at a facility where others are having sex, also.
Law Enforcement in the USA Does not create fake websites for relatively expensive independent escorts, do screening, and manage to get fake reviews from experienced reviewers..M88, thanks for a well written summary. I hope people continue to stay safe and enjoy the experiences they built with SB babes. However, SB girls are simply not my type of service provider. I need a girl who tells me she had a room with 4 guys and two of them finished in her mouth. I want to see her dancing and parading her ass in front of a bunch of men. I want that kind of a real deal hard core woman who openly and willingly admits who she is. Fascinating, fucked up, and ready. And she gets a great respect from me for all this.
It's your last paragraph that I am talking about in my post. In my case it's not just the economics, but a lack of time and my married status as another hurdle to cover up endless texting, dining, shopping and other activities implied by SB platform.
During my studies and army, I was trained for memory, but I remember because I'm different, I don't go to empty balls, I go to dream, empty balls are just little death, sweet enjoyable dreams even sometimes bad end, are in your mind, so much more enjoyable than just fucking a piece of meat. I remember 1 year after I stopped with her when she was my best pleasure, on first time she saw me with Daniela, I didn't know they knew before LR because living in same Romanian town, but I saw her eyes. I m sure she would have told me again: You humiliate me again, when I really didn't know about this, but was so happy about what Daniela told me about her, because truth she told me when she started, before changing for money. After beauty and charm, behavior is the most important for me. Girls also remember a lot, at least with me.So you don't take notes or diary, but you remember all these exact dates etc? You been to the army?
You can't cay Germany is the best until you have been to all of the top mongering destinations in the world. You have not been to Brazil, and I say confidently to thee that Brazilian Portuguese speakers are the kinky best! Germany is second. As a matter of full disclosure, I have not been to the Dominican Republic. At the same time, I don't see to many people saying the DR is the best, and I seriously doubt I would either based on all of the research I have done and the intelligence I have gathered. Brazil rules! But for purposes of this thread, we can go with Germany LOL!I had many Brazilian tutes in Lausanne, but yeah never been to their homeland as it is right opposite of me geographically, but I will be there as pussy takes me around world LOL!
Mongerer88
09-04-20, 01:25
M88, thanks for a well written summary. I hope people continue to stay safe and enjoy the experiences they built with SB babes. However, SB girls are simply not my type of service provider. I need a girl who tells me she had a room with 4 guys and two of them finished in her mouth. I want to see her dancing and parading her ass in front of a bunch of men. I want that kind of a real deal hard core woman who openly and willingly admits who she is. Fascinating, fucked up, and ready. And she gets a great respect from me for all this.
It's your last paragraph that I am talking about in my post. In my case it's not just the economics, but a lack of time and my married status as another hurdle to cover up endless texting, dining, shopping and other activities implied by SB platform.On those points we agree. I am fortunate to have a group of escorts I see regularly who fall more into the category you describe, at least in private. In fact, I was discussing a favorite travel destination with one of them and she wanted to make sure the sex workers took female customers since she is very bi and sometimes purchases sex herself when a pickup is not available. She has an enormous network of escorts where she works and they apparently regularly have sex with each other. My kind of girl.
I think the escort scene in the USA Is losing talent to the Sugar Baby scene. Not entirely, but enough to matter. But just like several of us were posting about the New York City multi-girl incall (essentially brothel) scene that once existed but is now gone, a person has to adapt to the never ending changes. Hopefully, the German FKK scene never changes, but it could. That ridiculous German politician who once practiced medicine, I think his name is Karl, harps constantly about Trafficking in the legal German system. Of course he is full of shit, but if there are ever any changes to the German legal situation, everyone will have to go with the flow. Commercial sex would still be available, but the mechanism to obtain it would be different.
So you don't take notes or diary, but you remember all these exact dates etc? You been to the army?In France, before You had to give of your time to french army and we were tested. My diary is here, to practice English which relax me like when I find somebody, most often escorts, to speak Russian. But I don t like Romanian language, when German is funny.
M88, thanks for a well written summary. I hope people continue to stay safe and enjoy the experiences they built with SB babes. However, SB girls are simply not my type of service provider. I need a girl who tells me she had a room with 4 guys and two of them finished in her mouth. I want to see her dancing and parading her ass in front of a bunch of men. I want that kind of a real deal hard core woman who openly and willingly admits who she is. Fascinating, fucked up, and ready. And she gets a great respect from me for all this.
It's your last paragraph that I am talking about in my post. In my case it's not just the economics, but a lack of time and my married status as another hurdle to cover up endless texting, dining, shopping and other activities implied by SB platform.Sorry, you were replying to Mongerer88 and I am interjecting. First of all, welcome to the married guys club on ISG. I suspect many more members are married but keeping it quiet. And I agree with you in that the whole FKK atmosphere is quite exciting. The late night loud music, the dancing, drinks flowing, girls fucked half a dozen times already for the day and yet keeping their chin up to gin up more business, chatting up guys from all over the world and comparing notes on the girls we had fucked or want to fuck, the tits and ass show. I miss all of that dearly. Many a time, after a couple of cums and on the 4th day of a 5 or 6 day FKK trip, I felt like wrapping it up for the day and heading to the hotel only to be tempted to get back into the lounge from the showers and sat my bum down and before I know it, the dozens of naked girls and the flirting and them begging me to fuck albeit for money, somehow gets me in the mood again and my little friend stands at full mast and voila one more room. I guess Mr Sirioja calls it "emptying balls" but I am mighty proud and happy to have one more shot at such emptying LOL.
As for the other things you say: yes, sugar babies are not for everyone. There is a fair amount of work to be done and it is a hit and miss. But if you are not constantly looking to replace your sugar babes and happy with a handful of mistresses or fuck buddies then it is easily doable with some effort. Collect a few, and meet them occasionally. No, you don't need to do shopping trips and constant texting and all that other stuff. Look, it is a one to one relationship and you structure it the way you want: sex for a couple of hours a few times a month is a very common arrangement. They call it NSA IE no strings attached. When you are together you are together otherwise you lead your own lives. That is what I do.
GuyBrusg1957
09-04-20, 02:44
Totally agree with you on this. I had so much fun at many Miami clubs (Tootsie, and others I forgot names), Spearmint Rhinos in Vegas and LA areas, Tropical Lei in east of LA, Mitchell Brothers in SF etc etc up until about 10-12 years ago. All were full service, most cases inside the club discreetly and some cases OTC, if you are good with the girls. I even got few total freebies from few US strippers over the time. Alas, gone are those days.
BTW, you can try GT in Vienna right now. They are fully open normal (not much Covid scare in Austria now), and average quality is pretty good, no too fat with cottage cheese, mostly 18-25 slim and few really beautiful faces, mostly good personalities too.Agreed.
It really sucks US Strip Clubs have fallen off the map. They're slowly getting rid of them entirely or turning into fancy sports bars or fancy clubs. It's not entirely their fault either, younger generations just don't seem to care as much.
Tier 1 (Top).
Germany.
Austria.
Switzerland.
Spain.
Portugal.
UK.
Netherlands.
Belgium.
Czechia.
Greece.
Tier 2 (Medium).
Denmark.
Italy.
France.
Poland.
Slovakia.
Hungary.
Slovenia.
Tier 3 (Bottom).
Croatia.
Serbia.
Macedonia.
Bulgaria.
Ireland.
Estonia.
Lithuania.
Latvia.
Cyprus.
Bosnia.
Norway.
Sweden.
Not including Russia and Ukraine. No info about Luxembourg. What do you think?
Alessandro527
09-04-20, 06:21
Tier 1 (Top).
Germany.
Austria.
Switzerland.
Spain.
Portugal.
UK.
Netherlands.
Belgium.
Czechia.
Greece.
Tier 2 (Medium).I disagree about Cyprus and particularly in Limassol. Some high class stunning Russian escorts to meet there in reasonable prices. I would also add Poland and Italy in Tier 1, Polish girls are incredible.
ExpatLover
09-04-20, 06:56
It depends what you name tier1, if it is young, fresh, and natural beauties all the countries are tier3. The big split is between legal or not, when it is illegal I don t go. At the end of the end what matters for me is to find young, natural and fresh beauties with no tattoo, sili, Botox, hair extension, with silk skin. No smoking which is more or less impossible to find except with some semi pro doing escort with agencies. Sometimes I see guys paying to fuck 35+ old woman, really so so I am wondering why they do this, it is possible to fuck them without paying in the real life. How many times I was at Shark at evening when there is BBQ outside, under the sunshine I can t find 1 girl matching my requests and still the guys are going with them, sex with a prostitute is never better than with a normal girl, if on top of that she is not very beautiful why should I spend my money. For me only beauty matters.
You can't cay Germany is the best until you have been to all of the top mongering destinations in the world. You have not been to Brazil, and I say confidently to thee that Brazilian Portuguese speakers are the kinky best! Germany is second. As a matter of full disclosure, I have not been to the Dominican Republic. At the same time, I don't see to many people saying the DR is the best, and I seriously doubt I would either based on all of the research I have done and the intelligence I have gathered. Brazil rules! But for purposes of this thread, we can go with Germany LOL!So what is your strategic advice to get the best out of Brazil?
Bordels? Internet dating sites or apps? Hitting up randoms on the beach?
And does Rio rule? And if so which places?
Or how does Sao Paulo compare? Or some of the other beach cities in the north east with more prado Brasilia, like Fortaleza, Recife, Natal? Or the southern Brazilian cities of Curitiba or Porto Alegre where there are more white Brazilians? Or are the inland big cities of Brazilia or Belo Horizonte worth a shot?
Mongerer88
09-04-20, 12:20
Tier 1 (Top).
Germany.
Austria.
Switzerland.
Spain.
Portugal.
UK.
Netherlands.If a guy is shopping based for on convenience and English-speaking availability, I think it is a perfect list.
A problem with this type of thread in general is it is difficult to discuss a $20 lady and a $500 lady at the same time, and some guys like the street scene and some guys like the call-girl outcall-to-a-fancy-Hotel scene. And some guys want to be in an environment where they see at least 10 ladies in person before choosing one, while other guys are okay with choosing one lady online long before the deed.
Kamsutra69
09-04-20, 12:37
M88, thanks for a well written summary. I hope people continue to stay safe and enjoy the experiences they built with SB babes. However, SB girls are simply not my type of service provider. I need a girl who tells me she had a room with 4 guys and two of them finished in her mouth. I want to see her dancing and parading her ass in front of a bunch of men. I want that kind of a real deal hard core woman who openly and willingly admits who she is. Fascinating, fucked up, and ready. And she gets a great respect from me for all this.
It's your last paragraph that I am talking about in my post. In my case it's not just the economics, but a lack of time and my married status as another hurdle to cover up endless texting, dining, shopping and other activities implied by SB platform.FKK is the best option for married, middle-aged men with no time, some money, average looks and a lot of kink. It's like Disneyland for us. Just walking in and thinking that one can have any (or all) of these young, half naked bodies for oneself is exciting. One is also allowed to be picky. And if one can afford to be generous and a regular, one might also become the "sought after".
Happy mongering!
Tier 1 (Top).
Germany.
Austria.
Switzerland.
Spain.
Portugal.
UK.
Netherlands.
Belgium.
Czechia.
Greece.
Tier 2 (Medium).
Denmark.
Italy.
France.
Poland.
Slovakia.
Hungary.
Slovenia.
Tier 3 (Bottom).
Croatia.
Serbia.
Macedonia.
Bulgaria.
Ireland.
Estonia.
Lithuania.
Latvia.
Cyprus.
Bosnia.
Norway.
Sweden.
Not including Russia and Ukraine. No info about Luxembourg. What do you think?Where is the country in which our favorite girls are born?
Agreed.
It really sucks US Strip Clubs have fallen off the map. They're slowly getting rid of them entirely or turning into fancy sports bars or fancy clubs. It's not entirely their fault either, younger generations just don't seem to care as much.Yeah, sometimes it feels like most of the younger American guys (millennial and below) either don't enjoy sex or even worse don't even have dicks! Or maybe they think sex is only to procreate, causing the US strip clubs to go away. On the other hand, most of the 20 something girls I know are horny as hell to fuck in any chance, not that his highness this old fart is complaining about it.
All this talk of strip clubs reminds me of the time when strip clubs and even massage parlors were advertised on two local newspaper that are no longer in print. They stop advertised before they shut down because of sex trafficking or some bullshit. Like what others said strip clubs around where I live tone things down and some have shut down in recent years. For example topless lap dances was standard 8-9 years ago without paying for VIP, but in 2019 it's hard to find girls that go topless. There are girls that won't allow you to touch their breasts, never mind sucking on them unless you pay extra or VIP. There are clubs that offer "full service", but they are drug addicts, expensive and service is not guaranteed. I learned that the hard way.
Where is the country in which our favorite girls are born?My bad I forget to add Romania.
LaBambaBoy
09-04-20, 22:26
FKK is the best option for married, middle-aged men with no time, some money, average looks and a lot of kink. It's like Disneyland for us. Just walking in and thinking that one can have any (or all) of these young, half naked bodies for oneself is exciting. One is also allowed to be picky. And if one can afford to be generous and a regular, one might also become the "sought after".
Happy mongering!This is so, so, true. My first visit to Sharks taught me that FKK is truly god's play land for men.
I am resigned me to the fact that I made some choices in my life that will prevent me from visiting at will, and that recent changes will make it hard to visit at all. Were I master of my own destiny, I'd go every 3-4 months. And no, money is not the issue, it is other things in life. But I least I have my prior visits, and maybe someday things will change for me.
FKK is pure magic.
GuyBrusg1957
09-05-20, 00:00
Yeah, sometimes it feels like most of the younger American guys (millennial and below) either don't enjoy sex or even worse don't even have dicks! Or maybe they think sex is only to procreate, causing the US strip clubs to go away. On the other hand, most of the 20 something girls I know are horny as hell to fuck in any chance, not that his highness this old fart is complaining about it.My biggest complaint is excessive drunkenness and lack of tipping. No wonder the US sucks.
GuyBrusg1957
09-05-20, 00:04
Tier 1 (Top).
Germany.
Austria.
Switzerland.
Spain.
Portugal.
UK.
Netherlands.
Belgium.
Czechia.
Greece.
Tier 2 (Medium).
Denmark.
Italy.
France.
Poland.
Slovakia.
Hungary.
Slovenia.
Tier 3 (Bottom).
Croatia.
Serbia.
Macedonia.
Bulgaria.
Ireland.
Estonia.
Lithuania.
Latvia.
Cyprus.
Bosnia.
Norway.
Sweden.
Not including Russia and Ukraine. No info about Luxembourg. What do you think?I've never seen or heard of anything good for Poland, Belgium, Denmark, Czechia, France, Norway or Sweden. I've only heard horror stories about poverty stricken escorts in Greece and escorting isn't popular or hard to find in France.
I've never seen or heard of anything good for Poland, Belgium, Denmark, Czechia, France, Norway or Sweden. I've only heard horror stories about poverty stricken escorts in Greece and escorting isn't popular or hard to find in France.More than 150, mostly Russian, escorts, only in Paris, and they do legal job according to French law. So difficult to find, just have to be blind. And not anymore golden years, when really difficult for me to find attractive looks now, when had so many beauties since 2011 and Russian nights. Unfortunately, escorting is now almost dead in Nice, Milano, Torino. Russian escorts are touring in Brussels and also Hungarian pornstar Zafira. Of course, can find girls in Czech Republic and Poland close to German border. Just have to know a bit.
Steve 9696
09-05-20, 01:18
All this talk of strip clubs reminds me of the time when strip clubs...
.All this talk of strip clubs and the omission of Russia leads me here. If U want a strip club and on-site sex then Moscow is for you! The below was my intro to the Russian scene my second trip there. I have write ups of year two and three with lots of useful details. Just message me if you are considering a trip want those installments. I am actually writing a book more for fun than anything. So I have chapters on Brazil, Thailand and elsewhere if anyone cares to ask.
Russia. Moscow.
The Landscape.
Like all countries, many options exist. But in Russia I stick to the strip clubs. Please do not confuse these with the lame clubs you find in the US and elsewhere. The proper clubs in Moscow are set up for onsite sex; and the real purpose of the club is to broker that. You have to be a bit careful, because some clubs are look and feel only -- no sex -- so you need the secret decoder ring as to the ones that are best. Fortunately I will provide that for you!
Welcome to Russia. Escalation -- Zazhigalka, Golden Girls, and Korston.
My first time in Moscow, I didn't even know P4 P existed. My second time, I saw the light, but only via a new friend made from my glass-half-full optimism. I started out at a club that is just look and feel called Zazhigalka. As strip clubs go, it was very, very good and I had a blast. I arrived at 9, right when it opened, and I was the ONLY guy in the club. All eyes were on me! Probably 25 girls. Really sort of a 6-7 looks-rating kind of crowd -- no stunners, but some very pretty girls. Two girls hit me up (a 6 and an 8) and we had some great duo dances -- fully nude and no real restrictions on touching tits and ass or drinking while fully nude, unlike the US fully-nudes, which I find distinctly lame.
So I thought that was really good, but I clearly had no idea. The next night I went to a club called Golden Girls. It opens at 10 and I was there about 9:45. So being the outgoing guy I am, I start up a conversation with two guys at the door waiting to get in. (I can't emphasize enough how being friendly and unafraid is of great value when it comes to finding great venues for women and frankly life in general).
Well, one of the guys is a district sales manager for a large European company and the other is his local director of sales. We hit it off right away and he asks me to join them. He breezes us into the club with his VIP card and we immediately sit down and he orders hookah and drinks all around. I tried to pay a couple times, but he pretty much covered everything. Has girls coming and smoking hookah with us -- just one big party. He tells me his sales manager, who works for him, is forbidden to drink and will be our chauffeur! LOL. You see, he says, this club is the warm up club -- super pretty girls, but no sex. Then we will drive across town and go to the club with sex. Ok, I'm in!
We drink and hookah and ogle and take a girl to the back room from time to time and get quite worked up. They are SUPER pretty 8's and 9's, though a bit too Nordic for my taste mostly. Nonetheless I find one raven-haired beauty with the most perfect see cup tits that I sample extensively. After a couple hours of good clean fun, we pile into the Range Rover with our designated driver and head across town to Korston. Korston is small and considerably more lowbrow, but it's the traditional brothel-strip-club format I've since come to know and love.
The format is the following. Yes, it's a strip club, like you have in the US with a girl pole-dancing. What is different is, when she comes off stage she will go in turn to each guy and try to get a quick lap dance. The dance is only like 1-2 minutes right there on your chair, BUT you get full tit and ass hands-on action and you only tip $3! (some guys even do $1. 50 LOL). So you get to sample a TON of women. Generally, I try them all as they seem quite disappointed when you don't and at $3, why not? Of course the point of the dance is not the dance. She wants to seduce you and take you to the room and fuck you!
So we settle in at Korston and get some dances. But at some point, I can't find what I want and separate from the guys to go looking upstairs. Upstairs is a completely different thing with girls lounging about and relaxing. I happen upon an amazing little spinner with an apple bottom and the most dreamy brown eyes despite here platinum hair. I particularly recall her butt, because even with her limited English she says "My butt is like an I-phone -- it's an Apple".
Long story short, we have a really nice time, but when I go to find the guys they are long gone. I inquire about a bit and learn they had to leave, so I am on my own. It's 2 AM and I have a flight in 3 hours! No taxis handy, so I take a ride to my hotel with a random Russian dude the club grabbed for me (unwise in retrospect!) and shower and get straight on the plane! Whew, that was a bit nerve racking. But fortunately I had a lovely young lady in several positions and I now know the Russian strip club sex deal -- and so do you! It will serve me well on my next trip. But thats the subject of installment 2!
All this talk of strip clubs and the omission of Russia leads me here. If U want a strip club and on-site sex then Moscow is for you! The below was my intro to the Russian scene my second trip there. I have write ups of year two and three with lots of useful details. Just message me if you are considering a trip want those installments. I am actually writing a book more for fun than anything. So I have chapters on Brazil, Thailand and elsewhere if anyone cares to ask.
Russia. Moscow.
The Landscape.
Like all countries, many options exist. But in Russia I stick to the strip clubs. Please do not confuse these with the lame clubs you find in the US and elsewhere. The proper clubs in Moscow are set up for onsite sex; and the real purpose of the club is to broker that. You have to be a bit careful, because some clubs are look and feel only -- no sex -- so you need the secret decoder ring as to the ones that are best. Fortunately I will provide that for you!
Welcome to Russia. Escalation -- Zazhigalka, Golden Girls, and Korston.
My first time in Moscow, I didn't even know P4 P existed. My second time, I saw the light, but only via a new friend made from my glass-half-full optimism. I started out at a club that is just look and feel called Zazhigalka. As strip clubs go, it was very, very good and I had a blast. I arrived at 9, right when it opened, and I was the ONLY guy in the club. All eyes were on me! Probably 25 girls. Really sort of a 6-7 looks-rating kind of crowd -- no stunners, but some very pretty girls. Two girls hit me up (a 6 and an 8) and we had some great duo dances -- fully nude and no real restrictions on touching tits and ass or drinking while fully nude, unlike the US fully-nudes, which I find distinctly lame..Nice story! So, what was the damage with Ms iPhone and where was the deed consummated? Is that the only club you had sex with a girl inside the club?
I would be rushing to Moscow or Kiev or St Pete in a jiffy if I felt safe enough. I think we all agree Russian and Ukrainian girls are fucking hot. I was lucky enough with a few of them and had an amazing experience every single time.
Tier 1 (Top).
Germany.
Austria.
Switzerland.
Spain.There is something to do with German speaking part of the world and good prostitution, why? Elaborate if you can LOL!
All this talk of strip clubs and the omission of Russia leads me here. If U want a strip club and on-site sex then Moscow is for you! The below was my intro to the Russian scene my second trip there. I have write ups of year two and three with lots of useful details. Just message me if you are considering a trip want those installments. I am actually writing a book more for fun than anything. So I have chapters on Brazil, Thailand and elsewhere if anyone cares to ask.
Russia. Moscow.
The Landscape.
Like all countries, many options exist. But in Russia I stick to the strip clubs. Please do not confuse these with the lame clubs you find in the US and elsewhere. The proper clubs in Moscow are set up for onsite sex; and the real purpose of the club is to broker that. You have to be a bit careful, because some clubs are look and feel only -- no sex -- so you need the secret decoder ring as to the ones that are best. Fortunately I will provide that for you!
Welcome to Russia. Escalation -- Zazhigalka, Golden Girls, and Korston.
My first time in Moscow, I didn't even know P4 P existed. My second time, I saw the light, but only via a new friend made from my glass-half-full optimism. I started out at a club that is just look and feel called Zazhigalka. As strip clubs go, it was very, very good and I had a blast. I arrived at 9, right when it opened, and I was the ONLY guy in the club. All eyes were on me! Probably 25 girls. Really sort of a 6-7 looks-rating kind of crowd -- no stunners, but some very pretty girls. Two girls hit me up (a 6 and an 8) and we had some great duo dances -- fully nude and no real restrictions on touching tits and ass or drinking while fully nude, unlike the US fully-nudes, which I find distinctly lame.Amazing work, good job! I used to hang out in the club called the night flight, I think it was called, it was good old days till I found FKK LOL!
Steve 9696
09-05-20, 11:26
Nice story! So, what was the damage with Ms iPhone and where was the deed consummated? Is that the only club you had sex with a girl inside the club?
I would be rushing to Moscow or Kiev or St Pete in a jiffy if I felt safe enough. I think we all agree Russian and Ukrainian girls are fucking hot. I was lucky enough with a few of them and had an amazing experience every single time.Short answer is Korston is pretty low brow. Would not recommend after you know the alternatives. We did it in a side room on a beat up leather couch. It was pretty great at the time. Prices have gone up so those are best covered in Part 3 (skipping part 2 here) below. Only club detail covered in Part 2 (which includes semi naked Karaoke as the waitress brings platters of sushi and jack and coke!) is that ALL the girls in a Russian club are for hire. Not just the dancers — the hostesses, the bar maids, the waitresses! My epic sushi and jack experience was with a pair of hot barmaids!
Here is Part 3 with good detail on rooms and pricing.
Moscow Trifecta -- Aurora, Angels, Penthouse.
As mentioned above, the same guy owns several of these clubs. Although there are minor variations in layouts and the quality of the rooms, he has standardized everything else. Websites and both drink and girl pricing are identical. So it's really about location when you choose. Aurora, Penthouse, and Angels are all inside the city loop or nearly so, so these are easiest to get to. I call this the Moscow Trifecta. And, as I was previously in Moscow (above) and had done the Trifecta, but failed to pull an Aurora girl, I thought I'the give a fully consummated Trifecta a shot. I was not disappointed.
Oh before I get any farther a few important pro tips. First, if you go on their website there is a free entry code. You simply say it to the hostess and Bam you save the R2000 ($30 ish) entry. Did this all three nights — they did not change the code — and saved nearly $100. Sweet!
Second, apparently rooms are discounted 50% - R3000 ($40+) before 10 PM, which is not small change either. They open at nine. I did not know about this discount, nor expect to session before 10 but when you read encounter 3, you will see that I did and for good reason.
Third, like anywhere else, you can negotiate services with the girl. For some reason, this didn't occur to me till I had two CBJs; but it proved epically important in encounter three.
Aurora. JLo Look-alike Inga.
OK back to Aurora. I rolled in around 11, said "Brandy" (the passcode) to the hostess and was given free entry and a seat at the bar. Be forewarned that mixers and spirits are priced separately. So Jack is R650 and coke R500. It adds up over an evening. I settle in and scan the action. It was not explicitly stated, but when I have come in the past, the barmaids, waitresses and hostesses are equally available. So I scan all three in addition to the gogo hotties.
Of course I am sampling the dancers as they come by to offer me the lap dance, that I am tipping an apparently generous $3 for. And after a couple hours of this, I ended up getting danced on by a girl named Inga. Her face looks like Jennifer Lopez but super skinny and with a thinner, high cheekbones face. Clearly 30 ish but a ton of fun and good English. I tell her to come see me later and sure enough she is back later in a sexy black dress. She joins me and we talk quite a bit. Eventually we discuss price, which is R12000 for the girl and R6000 for the room. This appears to be standard, because it's exactly what all three girls at the three different clubs offered.
So I pay the waitress 6000 (this you could put on a card it seems) and she takes our drinks on a little tray and takes us to the room. I would say of the three clubs the Aurora room was the least nice, but still very nice. Generally high end and well mirrored with the bathroom down a notch from the other two. Still, nicer than 90% of the rooms you might come across in your career.
The in-room experience was about as expected with a very experienced girl. The CBJ surprised me a bit but I didn't protest (probably could have). And she is otherwise a wildcat. It was really all about fucking a whole lot and in various positions. A new one for me was me on knees, her legs over my shoulders and her fucking the hell out of me from the bottom.
Possibly the most interesting part of the visit was pillow talk and discussing her condoms vs mine. I'the brought Skyn which are not bad for a US brand. She'the brought purple-package Durex and had insisted on those. Afterwards she said that she and these other girls had executed a test of 8 different brands using the best blowjobber in the group and several guys and found that one to be best. We busted open one of hers and one of mine and compared and sure enough hers felt thinner / better (I was too spent for a dick-based test).
All in all a nice first experience this time in Russia. But each one was successively better.
Penthouse. Mid-eastern Hottie Anastasia.
The next night it was Penthouse. Penthouse is in a real toney part of the city with a nice bar / restaurant next door that was still hopping when I exited at 2 AM.
Arrived 1030 or eleven I suppose. And again said "Brandy" and went straight in for free. I decided to get a couch and table at R3000 which was really nice. Actually got same one as two years ago! Got a Jack and Coke and settled in.
Of course the usual parade of girls grinding on me for R200 each. The couch is really nice for this or for other girls who may approach to chat. Worth the R3000 I'the say. Now in addition to the Gogo dancers and waitresses I notice other beautiful ladies in short tight cocktail dress roaming. I think these are dancers with a wait for their shift. Anyhow they look super nice.
There is one lovely Asian girl in a sparkly black dress but I never seem to catch her eye. I even stalk her to the back bar area but she is always engaged with some Asian dude. (I think I was literally the only round eye in the place — not sure what was going on that night). I see another gorgeous girl in a beige / silver sparkle dress and have my eye on her.
I forgot to mention that at the top of the hour they do a girl parade of all the girls. And immediately following that, they put on a slow song and the girls look for dance partners. I'the done this at Aurora and nothing beats slow dancing with a pretty girl (if you must have your clothes on that is). Well Anastasia (beige sparkle) tries two guys but no go. As she is walking away from my area and trying to snag another guy, I literally chase her down and make her my girl. She seems VERY pleased and pulls in close. Lovely tight slow dance with her face buried in my neck. I am a complete sap for this kind of romance. Sigh. So lovely.
I can't recall why but I don't have the sense to drag her to my table but I continue to keep an eye on her all night. Lots of hotties I consider going with, but really having an epic time at $3/ pop and enjoying the vibe.
As it nears 1 AM, I start to think I'the better grab a hottie and there is Anastasia just over on a couch all alone. Just wallflowering it — no active game at all. So I go grab her hand and escort her back to my couch. We sit and cuddle and she is very affectionate but almost zero English. But wow. Solid 9 for sure. So we agree the same R18000, including room, as I had at Aurora. Here the format is that you separate and meet at the hotel downstairs in 5 minutes.
This is the same venue where I did my epic Sushi and Jack duo two years ago and the rooms are the nicest of the three venues. Best feature is a 8 feet by 8 feet shower that has a clear glass wall to the bedroom.
So after some nice light kiss and cuddle I head to the shower. And I can see she's now naked on the bed. I give her the "come on in" finger gesture and sure enough she joins me. Nice! She helps a bit with the soap up and I soap her tits and touch her pussy lightly. It's very nice but not passionate. Still, showering with a hot girl never sucks!
In the bed this is one hot and bothered girl! Again CBJ, which I don't love, but then I roll her over to work on her some. I spend a lot of time just kissing and licking her neck and tits. I discovered with Carolina (Casarao. Brazil) last year that some small-titted girls (she is a soft bee-cup) like their tits deeply sucked. And Anastasia is no exception. I suck each tit fully into my mouth and she moans and writhes. Although I lick my way down to her belly button I am surprised when she covers her pussy with her hand — no DATY. I respect that. Her loss, but she will make it back later!
So we fuck in all the usual positions and she has no problem with FIV which I adore. She is plenty worked up and sloppy from giving the BJ and has great pussy feel in all three positions. She is truly lovely in cowgirl — a ten for that view. After some serious doggie pounding I don't think I can make it go in the condom. So I pull out and roll her over and put her hand on her pussy.
She gets the message and starts working herself and I am of course working myself and enjoying the view. She prefers finger fucking which tends to cover the view but she is working to a REAL O which is very sexy. So I eventually drop my load on the sheets but she is still going. Never seen this before. She is totally lost in it and goes another solid ten minutes till she hits a shattering O. I just kind of hold her or work her tits a bit. But it's thrilling to watch.
A nice joint shower wind-down and off we go. Back in the club, I decide to just sit and enjoy it a bit rather than hit the hay. To my surprise, Anastasia, in full sparkle, comes to sit with me and cuddle. I order her another drink and we spend another companionable 15 or so minutes together snuggling. It is a really nice wind-down and then alas I must go.
I get her WhatsApp and contact her the next day. I inquire as to whether she will BBBJ and she declines. I kick myself a bit because I am pretty certain with the initial R12,000 dangling in front of her she would have said yes. Fortunately I am smarter by night three -- read on!
Angels. A True 9. 5 Tatyana.
Having a flight the next morning I decide to go a bit earlier. I am tempted to repeat with Anastasia—what a doll — but the guaranteed CBJ sends me packing. So Angels and a true Moscow Trifecta it shall be!
I arrive Angels around 935 or 940 (completely unaware of the room special). Again "Brandy" gets me in for free. I am thinking I might go for two rounds as this is my last night for a while and have the funds to do it. So I am drinking Red Bull Vodka to get me ready for the assault!
As usual, I have a seat at the bar. I am surprised by how LAZY the girls are here. There must be only 3 or 4 guys and probably 12-15 girls but they are all just laying around on the couches to the left. No one makes any move to approach the fresh new meat just placed before them at the bar.
So I am content to sip and watch the show. After maybe 10 minutes, a girl approaches — Tatyana. And whoa is she my type. I had been with a full-on 9. 5 at Scandallo in Brazil in July named Andressa. Andressa sent me 15 model pics after our night together so I have studied every curve and perfect imperfection. This girl Tatyana could have been her twin! She even had the pronounced bikini lines of a Brasileira come to find out.
Well she asks if I want a dance and I say sure. And it is sexy with lots of tit squeezing and considerably longer than normal. Despite this, I vow to try to resist going to the room. I've only been there 12 minutes!
She asks if I want to go to the room — while stroking my cock in full view of the rest of the girls — and it is hard to say no; but again, I just got there. When I say "no" she says baby I don't understand? And then says oh rooms are half off till ten. Well that got my attention. I mean who doesn't like saving $50 and all I have to do is cave to this 9. 5!
So, having learned my lesson earlier I had already keyed into Google translate: "Blowjob without a condom and I lick your pussy. OK?. " She reads the Russian translation and says yes number 2 but no number 1. Damn!
So I say I am sorry baby but I really can't go then. Pregnant pause. She says— OK we do number 1. Let's go! And, after paying only R3000 for the room, we head up two flights of stairs with our waitress carrying our drinks for us. It's good to be the king.
Before we go farther, pause and take in how easy it was to get BJ no condom -- I simply had to make it a deal breaker. I was prepared to walk and she caved in literally seconds. That's not to say this will happen every time, but often, if you are truly prepared to walk, the negotiation will go your way. This is true worldwide -- make clear what you want, be prepared to walk, and you will often get it.
In the room, what a sweetheart. No hard feelings over negotiation. No rushing. No cheating. Great girl. First we kiss and cuddle and then she helps me undress (love that) and then leads me by the hand to the shower. She then does full on bath prep like I've only had in Japan. I am not to do anything but enjoy, as she soaps me up, including armpits, dick, balls and taint. She gets me super clean and I soap her some too. Gives a nice preview blowjob too. I hope that is not the limit of her BBBJ though and oh my -- definitely not!
Back in the bed she puts me on my back. Now to be fair she is a careful girl and douses me in alcohol before proceeding. Totally worth it. She embarks on a top five BBBJ. She knows just how to do it -- lovely BLS, followed by shaft licking. Tongue tapping under the head. Full mouth for some pumps and then. Rinse repeat. OMFG. At least 20 minutes of this. It is pure heaven. She is a magician!
I consider finishing like this but decide to fuck her for a while. We start in cowgirl where she is extremely vocal but I totally believe her. Very sexy. I even think I might cum there. We switch to Mish. Same thing. Very vocal. Great feeling. Might cum but don't. Doggie is a little disappointing lacking feeling.
Lose the condom and after enduring a re-alcoholing (brrrr) we do more BBBJ. It remains spectacular but even more so after fucking. We probably go another 10 minutes at this. In the end I finish by hand while she licks and sucks my balls. Lovely.
When I cum she seems a bit exasperated. And I wonder if I got some on her face or mouth or what. But pretty quickly she says "I'm sorry" indicating she failed me by my needing to use my own hand. What a sweetheart. I tell her it's fine and how beautiful she is about ten times and all is good.
Final shower is just as good as prep -- she fully cleans me and my johnson and the boys. What a wonderful attentive girl.
I give her a $40 tip. What a trooper BBBJing for nearly the whole session and shower before and after. What a keeper. Got her WhatsApp! And she sent a pic the next day (most girls will) and no beer goggles at work here — she is a real cutie.
Steve 9696
09-05-20, 11:32
Nice story! So, what was the damage with Ms iPhone and where was the deed consummated? Is that the only club you had sex with a girl inside the club?
I would be rushing to Moscow or Kiev or St Pete in a jiffy if I felt safe enough. I think we all agree Russian and Ukrainian girls are fucking hot. I was lucky enough with a few of them and had an amazing experience every single time.Short answer is Korston is pretty low brow. Would not recommend after you know the alternatives. We did it in a side room on a beat up leather couch. It was pretty great at the time. Prices have gone up so those are best covered in Part 3 (skipping part 2 here) below. Only club detail covered in Part 2 (which includes semi naked Karaoke as the waitress brings platters of sushi and jack and coke!) is that ALL the girls in a Russian club are for hire. Not just the dancers — the hostesses, the bar maids, the waitresses! My epic sushi and jack experience was with a pair of hot barmaids!
Here is Part 3 with good detail on rooms and pricing.
Moscow Trifecta -- Aurora, Angels, Penthouse.
As mentioned above, the same guy owns several of these clubs. Although there are minor variations in layouts and the quality of the rooms, he has standardized everything else. Websites and both drink and girl pricing are identical. So it's really about location when you choose. Aurora, Penthouse, and Angels are all inside the city loop or nearly so, so these are easiest to get to. I call this the Moscow Trifecta. And, as I was previously in Moscow (above) and had done the Trifecta, but failed to pull an Aurora girl, I thought I'the give a fully consummated Trifecta a shot. I was not disappointed.
Oh before I get any farther a few important pro tips. First, if you go on their website there is a free entry code. You simply say it to the hostess and Bam you save the R2000 ($30 ish) entry. Did this all three nights — they did not change the code — and saved nearly $100. Sweet!
Second, apparently rooms are discounted 50% - R3000 ($40+) before 10 PM, which is not small change either. They open at nine. I did not know about this discount, nor expect to session before 10 but when you read encounter 3, you will see that I did and for good reason.
Third, like anywhere else, you can negotiate services with the girl. For some reason, this didn't occur to me till I had two CBJs; but it proved epically important in encounter three.
Aurora. JLo Look-alike Inga.
OK back to Aurora. I rolled in around 11, said "Brandy" (the passcode) to the hostess and was given free entry and a seat at the bar. Be forewarned that mixers and spirits are priced separately. So Jack is R650 and coke R500. It adds up over an evening. I settle in and scan the action. It was not explicitly stated, but when I have come in the past, the barmaids, waitresses and hostesses are equally available. So I scan all three in addition to the gogo hotties.
Of course I am sampling the dancers as they come by to offer me the lap dance, that I am tipping an apparently generous $3 for. And after a couple hours of this, I ended up getting danced on by a girl named Inga. Her face looks like Jennifer Lopez but super skinny and with a thinner, high cheekbones face. Clearly 30 ish but a ton of fun and good English. I tell her to come see me later and sure enough she is back later in a sexy black dress. She joins me and we talk quite a bit. Eventually we discuss price, which is R12000 for the girl and R6000 for the room. This appears to be standard, because it's exactly what all three girls at the three different clubs offered.
So I pay the waitress 6000 (this you could put on a card it seems) and she takes our drinks on a little tray and takes us to the room. I would say of the three clubs the Aurora room was the least nice, but still very nice. Generally high end and well mirrored with the bathroom down a notch from the other two. Still, nicer than 90% of the rooms you might come across in your career.
The in-room experience was about as expected with a very experienced girl. The CBJ surprised me a bit but I didn't protest (probably could have). And she is otherwise a wildcat. It was really all about fucking a whole lot and in various positions. A new one for me was me on knees, her legs over my shoulders and her fucking the hell out of me from the bottom.
Possibly the most interesting part of the visit was pillow talk and discussing her condoms vs mine. I'the brought Skyn which are not bad for a US brand. She'the brought purple-package Durex and had insisted on those. Afterwards she said that she and these other girls had executed a test of 8 different brands using the best blowjobber in the group and several guys and found that one to be best. We busted open one of hers and one of mine and compared and sure enough hers felt thinner / better (I was too spent for a dick-based test).
All in all a nice first experience this time in Russia. But each one was successively better.
Penthouse. Mid-eastern Hottie Anastasia.
The next night it was Penthouse. Penthouse is in a real toney part of the city with a nice bar / restaurant next door that was still hopping when I exited at 2 AM.
Arrived 1030 or eleven I suppose. And again said "Brandy" and went straight in for free. I decided to get a couch and table at R3000 which was really nice. Actually got same one as two years ago! Got a Jack and Coke and settled in.
Of course the usual parade of girls grinding on me for R200 each. The couch is really nice for this or for other girls who may approach to chat. Worth the R3000 I'the say. Now in addition to the Gogo dancers and waitresses I notice other beautiful ladies in short tight cocktail dress roaming. I think these are dancers with a wait for their shift. Anyhow they look super nice.
There is one lovely Asian girl in a sparkly black dress but I never seem to catch her eye. I even stalk her to the back bar area but she is always engaged with some Asian dude. (I think I was literally the only round eye in the place — not sure what was going on that night). I see another gorgeous girl in a beige / silver sparkle dress and have my eye on her.
I forgot to mention that at the top of the hour they do a girl parade of all the girls. And immediately following that, they put on a slow song and the girls look for dance partners. I'the done this at Aurora and nothing beats slow dancing with a pretty girl (if you must have your clothes on that is). Well Anastasia (beige sparkle) tries two guys but no go. As she is walking away from my area and trying to snag another guy, I literally chase her down and make her my girl. She seems VERY pleased and pulls in close. Lovely tight slow dance with her face buried in my neck. I am a complete sap for this kind of romance. Sigh. So lovely.
I can't recall why but I don't have the sense to drag her to my table but I continue to keep an eye on her all night. Lots of hotties I consider going with, but really having an epic time at $3/ pop and enjoying the vibe.
As it nears 1 AM, I start to think I'the better grab a hottie and there is Anastasia just over on a couch all alone. Just wallflowering it — no active game at all. So I go grab her hand and escort her back to my couch. We sit and cuddle and she is very affectionate but almost zero English. But wow. Solid 9 for sure. So we agree the same R18000, including room, as I had at Aurora. Here the format is that you separate and meet at the hotel downstairs in 5 minutes.
This is the same venue where I did my epic Sushi and Jack duo two years ago and the rooms are the nicest of the three venues. Best feature is a 8 feet by 8 feet shower that has a clear glass wall to the bedroom.
So after some nice light kiss and cuddle I head to the shower. And I can see she's now naked on the bed. I give her the "come on in" finger gesture and sure enough she joins me. Nice! She helps a bit with the soap up and I soap her tits and touch her pussy lightly. It's very nice but not passionate. Still, showering with a hot girl never sucks!
In the bed this is one hot and bothered girl! Again CBJ, which I don't love, but then I roll her over to work on her some. I spend a lot of time just kissing and licking her neck and tits. I discovered with Carolina (Casarao. Brazil) last year that some small-titted girls (she is a soft bee-cup) like their tits deeply sucked. And Anastasia is no exception. I suck each tit fully into my mouth and she moans and writhes. Although I lick my way down to her belly button I am surprised when she covers her pussy with her hand — no DATY. I respect that. Her loss, but she will make it back later!
So we fuck in all the usual positions and she has no problem with FIV which I adore. She is plenty worked up and sloppy from giving the BJ and has great pussy feel in all three positions. She is truly lovely in cowgirl — a ten for that view. After some serious doggie pounding I don't think I can make it go in the condom. So I pull out and roll her over and put her hand on her pussy.
She gets the message and starts working herself and I am of course working myself and enjoying the view. She prefers finger fucking which tends to cover the view but she is working to a REAL O which is very sexy. So I eventually drop my load on the sheets but she is still going. Never seen this before. She is totally lost in it and goes another solid ten minutes till she hits a shattering O. I just kind of hold her or work her tits a bit. But it's thrilling to watch.
A nice joint shower wind-down and off we go. Back in the club, I decide to just sit and enjoy it a bit rather than hit the hay. To my surprise, Anastasia, in full sparkle, comes to sit with me and cuddle. I order her another drink and we spend another companionable 15 or so minutes together snuggling. It is a really nice wind-down and then alas I must go.
I get her WhatsApp and contact her the next day. I inquire as to whether she will BBBJ and she declines. I kick myself a bit because I am pretty certain with the initial R12,000 dangling in front of her she would have said yes. Fortunately I am smarter by night three -- read on!
Angels. A True 9. 5 Tatyana.
Having a flight the next morning I decide to go a bit earlier. I am tempted to repeat with Anastasia—what a doll — but the guaranteed CBJ sends me packing. So Angels and a true Moscow Trifecta it shall be!
I arrive Angels around 935 or 940 (completely unaware of the room special). Again "Brandy" gets me in for free. I am thinking I might go for two rounds as this is my last night for a while and have the funds to do it. So I am drinking Red Bull Vodka to get me ready for the assault!
As usual, I have a seat at the bar. I am surprised by how LAZY the girls are here. There must be only 3 or 4 guys and probably 12-15 girls but they are all just laying around on the couches to the left. No one makes any move to approach the fresh new meat just placed before them at the bar.
So I am content to sip and watch the show. After maybe 10 minutes, a girl approaches — Tatyana. And whoa is she my type. I had been with a full-on 9. 5 at Scandallo in Brazil in July named Andressa. Andressa sent me 15 model pics after our night together so I have studied every curve and perfect imperfection. This girl Tatyana could have been her twin! She even had the pronounced bikini lines of a Brasileira come to find out.
Well she asks if I want a dance and I say sure. And it is sexy with lots of tit squeezing and considerably longer than normal. Despite this, I vow to try to resist going to the room. I've only been there 12 minutes!
She asks if I want to go to the room — while stroking my cock in full view of the rest of the girls — and it is hard to say no; but again, I just got there. When I say "no" she says baby I don't understand? And then says oh rooms are half off till ten. Well that got my attention. I mean who doesn't like saving $50 and all I have to do is cave to this 9. 5!
So, having learned my lesson earlier I had already keyed into Google translate: "Blowjob without a condom and I lick your pussy. OK?. " She reads the Russian translation and says yes number 2 but no number 1. Damn!
So I say I am sorry baby but I really can't go then. Pregnant pause. She says— OK we do number 1. Let's go! And, after paying only R3000 for the room, we head up two flights of stairs with our waitress carrying our drinks for us. It's good to be the king.
Before we go farther, pause and take in how easy it was to get BJ no condom -- I simply had to make it a deal breaker. I was prepared to walk and she caved in literally seconds. That's not to say this will happen every time, but often, if you are truly prepared to walk, the negotiation will go your way. This is true worldwide -- make clear what you want, be prepared to walk, and you will often get it.
In the room, what a sweetheart. No hard feelings over negotiation. No rushing. No cheating. Great girl. First we kiss and cuddle and then she helps me undress (love that) and then leads me by the hand to the shower. She then does full on bath prep like I've only had in Japan. I am not to do anything but enjoy, as she soaps me up, including armpits, dick, balls and taint. She gets me super clean and I soap her some too. Gives a nice preview blowjob too. I hope that is not the limit of her BBBJ though and oh my -- definitely not!
Back in the bed she puts me on my back. Now to be fair she is a careful girl and douses me in alcohol before proceeding. Totally worth it. She embarks on a top five BBBJ. She knows just how to do it -- lovely BLS, followed by shaft licking. Tongue tapping under the head. Full mouth for some pumps and then. Rinse repeat. OMFG. At least 20 minutes of this. It is pure heaven. She is a magician!
I consider finishing like this but decide to fuck her for a while. We start in cowgirl where she is extremely vocal but I totally believe her. Very sexy. I even think I might cum there. We switch to Mish. Same thing. Very vocal. Great feeling. Might cum but don't. Doggie is a little disappointing lacking feeling.
Lose the condom and after enduring a re-alcoholing (brrrr) we do more BBBJ. It remains spectacular but even more so after fucking. We probably go another 10 minutes at this. In the end I finish by hand while she licks and sucks my balls. Lovely.
When I cum she seems a bit exasperated. And I wonder if I got some on her face or mouth or what. But pretty quickly she says "I'm sorry" indicating she failed me by my needing to use my own hand. What a sweetheart. I tell her it's fine and how beautiful she is about ten times and all is good.
Final shower is just as good as prep -- she fully cleans me and my johnson and the boys. What a wonderful attentive girl.
I give her a $40 tip. What a trooper BBBJing for nearly the whole session and shower before and after. What a keeper. Got her WhatsApp! And she sent a pic the next day (most girls will) and no beer goggles at work here — she is a real cutie.
Thank you Steve. Superb reports! Well done!
I was watching a documentary on count Dracula and it gave me a boner because of many Romanian actresses in the documentary. It is amazing how many Romanian stunner level young beauties I slept with LOL! It gave me very deep quiet satisfaction during watching the documentary.
Jimmy Boy 99
09-05-20, 17:54
Steve 9696,
Did you intend to post Part 2 and inadvertently posted Part 3 twice?
HammerTime96
09-05-20, 18:55
Why not post all this off-topic stuff in the Russia section (at least then they can also benefit from this information!) and then just post a link here in the German section?
I was watching a documentary on count Dracula and it gave me a boner because of many Romanian actresses in the documentary. It is amazing how many Romanian stunner level young beauties I slept with LOL! It gave me very deep quiet satisfaction during watching the documentary.Next time, ask one of them to take a sip.
ExpatLover
09-05-20, 20:40
EL: advice you to spend some weeks in Poland, Hungary, Slovenia. You will find even more natural beauties than in Romania just because the girls have a healthier life in those countries.
Steve 9696
09-05-20, 20:55
Steve 9696,
Did you intend to post Part 2 and inadvertently posted Part 3 twice?Don't know why it posted twice. I was only posting Part 3 because it had the most info. Happy to post Part 2 by popular demand but as you see some folks object to Russia in the German forum. Honestly I am just trying to help like-minded guys any way I can.
Steve 9696
09-05-20, 22:10
Amazing work, good job! I used to hang out in the club called the night flight, I think it was called, it was good old days till I found FKK LOL!Mr Ho! So good to see you. I always enjoy your adventures and commentary. Yeah Night Flight has gone way downhill apparently. It was not the highlight of my trip. But serviceable. Here is an excerpt from Part 2 that covers Night Flight and one to stay away from — Rasputin.
So my next time in Moscow, I know the drill. I read up a bit and find that other clubs like Aurora, Angels, the Loft, and Penthouse offer full sex like Korston, but are perhaps a notch higher up on the looks ladder. No need for a Golden Girls warmup because the girls are pretty AND fuck. I also try out Night Flight and Rasputin, two clubs with a reputation for being all that a decade ago, but perhaps past their prime.
Sure enough Night Flight is NOT what you see on the web. On the web it's this vibrant fun club. In person, it is small and dark, with a few ladies perhaps a bit past their prime, but attractive nonetheless. Probably more a late 20's and 30's crowd, than the young, fresh girls at a Golden Girls say. The unique thing about Night Flight is it is take out (thus the name). You pick your girl, pay a small barfine and off you go.
So in my traditional "go with the flow" mode, this is more of an adventure than planned. I sit down with a girl who is my type, but perhaps 5 years and 10 pounds beyond my usual taste. But I was in a hurry that night so we chat a bit, agree price and off we go. But the interesting part is she says "I drove to work, so we can just take my car" and of course I say "sure".
Well, this is where you all are going "oooh bad idea I can see where this is headed". Actually, no. It's just fine. She has a small compact hatchback which we walk to and we drive to my hotel uneventfully. We breeze past the front desk and have two solid rounds. She's quite the wizard on the BJ, since she insists on CBJ and yet we get it done both times. So I won't write off Night Flight for everyone -- it's just not as awesome as depicted on the web, but you can have a nice night with a pretty-enough girl who's maybe a 6-7.
Rasputin, on the other hand, gets one star! I can't remember all the details except it takes a long time to find a girl I would bother with and when we go private, she won't even let me touch her tits. I mean more lame than the US -- which is mega lame! Do not go to Rasputin.
Why not post all this off-topic stuff in the Russia section (at least then they can also benefit from this information!) and then just post a link here in the German section?If you're going to post this much about the action in another country, then the information should really be placed in the appropriate thread where people who want to know about that place can benefit, with a link from here to there for those who visit FKKs who want in-depth details on Moscow and Russia. We had the same thing with long posts about London being posted here in an FKK thread.
GuyBrusg1957
09-06-20, 03:47
More than 150, mostly Russian, escorts, only in Paris, and they do legal job according to French law. So difficult to find, just have to be blind. And not anymore golden years, when really difficult for me to find attractive looks now, when had so many beauties since 2011 and Russian nights. Unfortunately, escorting is now almost dead in Nice, Milano, Torino. Russian escorts are touring in Brussels and also Hungarian pornstar Zafira. Of course, can find girls in Czech Republic and Poland close to German border. Just have to know a bit.Are you finding this online or in person?
GuyBrusg1957
09-06-20, 03:51
All this talk of strip clubs and the omission of Russia leads me here. If U want a strip club and on-site sex then Moscow is for you! The below was my intro to the Russian scene my second trip there. I have write ups of year two and three with lots of useful details. Just message me if you are considering a trip want those installments. I am actually writing a book more for fun than anything. So I have chapters on Brazil, Thailand and elsewhere if anyone cares to ask.How well does my Russian need to be visit Moscow? Are the clubs good in St. Petersburg? I enjoy your writing. What other countries have you visited?
Mr Ho! So good to see you. I always enjoy your adventures and commentary. Yeah Night Flight has gone way downhill apparently. It was not the highlight of my trip. But serviceable. Here is an excerpt from Part 2 that covers Night Flight and one to stay away from Rasputin.
So my next time in Moscow, I know the drill. I read up a bit and find that other clubs like Aurora, Angels, the Loft, and Penthouse offer full sex like Korston, but are perhaps a notch higher up on the looks ladder. No need for a Golden Girls warmup because the girls are pretty AND fuck. I also try out Night Flight and Rasputin, two clubs with a reputation for being all that a decade ago, but perhaps past their prime.
Sure enough Night Flight is NOT what you see on the web. On the web it's this vibrant fun club. In person, it is small and dark, with a few ladies perhaps a bit past their prime, but attractive nonetheless. Probably more a late 20's and 30's crowd, than the young, fresh girls at a Golden Girls say. The unique thing about Night Flight is it is take out (thus the name). You pick your girl, pay a small barfine and off you go.
So in my traditional "go with the flow" mode, this is more of an adventure than planned. I sit down with a girl who is my type, but perhaps 5 years and 10 pounds beyond my usual taste. But I was in a hurry that night so we chat a bit, agree price and off we go. But the interesting part is she says "I drove to work, so we can just take my car" and of course I say "sure".I liked night flight because it is just down the road of Ritz Carlton Moscow where I used to stay, so I could walk there in 15 minutes. I never felt safe to move around in Moscow by those put your hand up taxi, and most of time, they are just civilian driver acting taxi, well it is good old days back in 2009 till I found FKK and oddly enough, last time I went to night flight was on my way to Berlin during my transit at Moscow LOL In that trip I found FKK Artemis and I never returned to night flight or any mongering in Moscow LOL! When I used to go there long ago, it was pretty good.
However, I been to Moscow after just for visit, and what interested me are these beautiful ladies just hanging alone in 5 star hotel bar, I had a feeling that they are prostitute, but I was not sure, so I did not approach, but anyways, it would be more than 50 euro or 60 euro per 30 min, so I stick to German FKK LOL! But it was good old days LOL!
Jimmy Boy 99
09-06-20, 05:38
If you're going to post this much about the action in another country, then the information should really be placed in the appropriate thread where people who want to know about that place can benefit, with a link from here to there for those who visit FKKs who want in-depth details on Moscow and Russia. We had the same thing with long posts about London being posted here in an FKK thread.Hi did post these reports in the Russia Thread. I am glad that he posted them here so at least there is something to read, as nothing is going on in German FKKs, and I would normally never look at the Russia thread. Also, this is the Lounge and Chat area, so there is wider latitude as to what to post. Let's not discourage people from posting info. Easy enough to just skip if of no interest.
On those points we agree. I am fortunate to have a group of escorts I see regularly who fall more into the category you describe, at least in private. In fact, I was discussing a favorite travel destination with one of them and she wanted to make sure the sex workers took female customers since she is very bi and sometimes purchases sex herself when a pickup is not available. She has an enormous network of escorts where she works and they apparently regularly have sex with each other. My kind of girl.
I think the escort scene in the USA Is losing talent to the Sugar Baby scene. Not entirely, but enough to matter. But just like several of us were posting about the New York City multi-girl incall (essentially brothel) scene that once existed but is now gone, a person has to adapt to the never ending changes. Hopefully, the German FKK scene never changes, but it could. That ridiculous German politician who once practiced medicine, I think his name is Karl, harps constantly about Trafficking in the legal German system. Of course he is full of shit, but if there are ever any changes to the German legal situation, everyone will have to go with the flow. Commercial sex would still be available, but the mechanism to obtain it would be different.His name is Karl Lauterbach of SPD. He is not the only one who wants to ban prostitution. He been rather quiet since he and 15 other politicians called for prostitution ban back in May. Maybe it's just some political bullshit? I mentioned earlier that the German Federal government did a study on the Swedish and the study concluded that it would be worse for sex workers according to a guy who summarized it.
Are you finding this online or in person?Before discovering what were FKK on end of 2012, when I came back from Moscow / Peter on December 2010 after my night with Olga, dancer in Golden ladies on Nevski, for 400 USD, and my big fault not to keep her with me on next day and next night before leaving, but since beginning of 2011, had so many Russian escorts in Paris, game was to meet them out of agency, more interesting. Drove to some to Milano, Torino. I drove Paris Milano and back on the day, through icy Gran San Bernardino for Tatar Zoya, when I promised to return to her, but she was attacked in Paris and left. Some guys attacked escorts to rob money. Unfortunately, even still many Russian escorts in Paris, but not so pretty than before and very difficult for me now to find one attractive, same like in FKK, but I need only 1. Russian escorts take bus for 4 days to come to Paris at the moment. More and more Russians are now tattooed, from porn culture, or silicon, when I'm attracted by virgin looks, to find now in deep Russia.
Hi did post these reports in the Russia Thread. I am glad that he posted them here so at least there is something to read, as nothing is going on in German FKKs, and I would normally never look at the Russia thread. Also, this is the Lounge and Chat area, so there is wider latitude as to what to post. Let's not discourage people from posting info. Easy enough to just skip if of no interest.Nobody is discouraging anybody from posting. Rather, we all should be encouraged to post in the appropriate sections. If he posted in the Moscow section good, and if he thought people here who never look at the Russia threads might be interested, then again he could have and should have posted a link from here to there. We have some posting discipline and etiquette, and everyone is happy. Is that so hard? I agree that in the lounge there should be more latitude in topics, but it's still possible to take it too far, especially when there are already existing, established threads on the exact same subject. So yes, let's all be encouraged to post of course. But if you have a lot to say on a particular subject or region or city or whatever, please let's put that in the threads that are set up for those subjects. I'm sure Steve understands as he was annoyed at people posting here about the pandemic. I personally feel that was far more appropriate for a thread like this versus going on and on about London, Moscow, or Brazil. Well, eventually threads were set up specifically for discussions around the virus, and we can see posters respecting that. We got those threads in part from complaints from people like Steve. Now, some of us here would appreciate it if he would show others the same kind of consideration. That's all.
FKK Paradise in Saarbrcken opens on Monday, Sept. 7. It is close to French border.
https://www.fkkparadise.de
Steve 9696,
Nice reports. Thank you. I was contemplating to monger in Russia for a while and then found out it is pain in the ass to get Russian Visa with US passport.
My questions to you are:
Is any easier way to get Russian visa?
Did you visit any other types of sex establishments besides strip clubs. If so, how were they?
I heard that language would be a big problem if you want to visit apartment brothels or something like that there. How did you deal with the language barrier?
Thanks a lot.
For sure, speaking Russian is a very big plus with real Russian or even Ukrainian, Latvian, Belarus, Estonian, Lithuanian girls who feel much more comfortable then, opening with big smile, and big help for sweet words for intimacy. And a Russian girl speaking Russian in bed is so erotic.
Next time, ask one of them to take a sip.They get to taste my sperm nowadays LOL!
Steve 9696
09-06-20, 13:43
FKK Paradise in Saarbrcken opens on Monday, Sept. 7. It is close to French border.
https://www.fkkparadise.de
Steve 9696,
Nice reports. Thank you. I was contemplating to monger in Russia for a while and then found out it is pain in the ass to get Russian Visa with US passport.
My questions to you are:
Is any easier way to get Russian visa?
Did you visit any other types of sex establishments besides strip clubs. If so, how were they?
I heard that language would be a big problem if you want to visit apartment brothels or something like that there. How did you deal with the language barrier?
Thanks a lot.Sorry no visa tips. Mine is a business visa.
Try messaging Dramafree11 for Russia non-club tips. He seems to love the incall scene in Moscow and Ukraine. I prefer to meet girls in a club when I can. You might just poke the Moscow or Kiev thread — he is probably reading it.
Is any easier way to get Russian visa?
Did you visit any other types of sex establishments besides strip clubs. If so, how were they?
I heard that language would be a big problem if you want to visit apartment brothels or something like that there. How did you deal with the language barrier?
Thanks a lot.Perhaps try Ukraine. I had no visa requirement. Flew in with prebooked transportation from airport to avoid the ripoff taxis. Seemed like 60% of the ladies in the clubs I visited were working, many ladies available via Tinder and some of the most beautiful redheads I have ever seen.
I've never seen or heard of anything good for Poland, Belgium, Denmark, Czechia, France, Norway or Sweden. I've only heard horror stories about poverty stricken escorts in Greece and escorting isn't popular or hard to find in France.I visited the Czech Republic in 2008 and had a great time there with beautiful Czech and Slovak women. I really enjoyed my summer visits to France in the early 2000's and had relations with sexy French women at Cap D'Agde beach. I had fun times in Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands in the 90's.
"But perhaps 5 years and 10 pounds beyond my usual taste" haha. I love this! Thanks for making my day.
ExpatLover
09-06-20, 17:46
EL: Forget online, young, fresh sexy natural and no pro girls are not online, you have to go to Starbucks, KFC. To make contacts, to seduce and after that if you are not too stupid and ugly the things can happen. Online in Hungary, Poland. You have only pro mostly from Romania, Moldavia.
Nobody is discouraging anybody from posting. Rather, we all should be encouraged to post in the appropriate sections. If he posted in the Moscow section good, and if he thought people here who never look at the Russia threads might be interested, then again he could have and should have posted a link from here to there. We have some posting discipline and etiquette, and everyone is happy. Is that so hard? I agree that in the lounge there should be more latitude in topics, but it's still possible to take it too far, especially when there are already existing, established threads on the exact same subject. So yes, let's all be encouraged to post of course. But if you have a lot to say on a particular subject or region or city or whatever, please let's put that in the threads that are set up for those subjects. I'm sure Steve understands as he was annoyed at people posting here about the pandemic. I personally feel that was far more appropriate for a thread like this versus going on and on about London, Moscow, or Brazil. Well, eventually threads were set up specifically for discussions around the virus, and we can see posters respecting that. We got those threads in part from complaints from people like Steve. Now, some of us here would appreciate it if he would show others the same kind of consideration. That's all.Well articulated, Mr. Cane. IMO, there is a reason members post against thread discipline. This site is another social media, and it becomes a habit and people make friends, rivals, have arguments. This is another "Cheers" for many. Guys who have been posting in German threads know the names of other members (handles anyway) that also frequent this location, and there is some comfort factor. We all post and expect some feedback and the feedback is more meaningful when it comes from members whose names we recognize (even if none of us know other members personally, they are handles we have seen for a while. Such as Bfsie, McAdonis, Cane, Sirioja, Gino, Steve9696 etc. A year ago, most of these names were new to me, now I see them, recognize them, and I am drawn to this niche of ISG more than the Brazil threads or Thai threads. So, I am guilty of the same things Steve has done or others have. I regularly post about sugar babe experiences in this thread but now we do have a separate thread for sugar babes in another part of ISG. Why do I do it? Because I recognize the member names in German thread (more than in the seeking arrangement thread), feel more comfortable posting here, and violate thread discipline.
It is an explanation, not meant to be a rationalization. I already said you make a valid argument in your comment above.
Pahllus Maximus
09-06-20, 18:52
Been about 9 months since unprecedented border closures, seizure of air travel and being unable to have dozens of pretty naked women parading around, anyone of which is happy to rub her soft little feminine fingers on my groin and a lot more. FKKs are Disneyland for men. Lots of different "rides" and for the most part no waiting, and visualization and knowing what can be had for a handful of Euros just as bigger part than the deed itself.
The urge to have physical contact with these beautiful creatures is a primary instinct / life force we are presently denied, and my oh my, it is frustrating. Never again will I take travel or FKKs for granted. The upside is that we will appreciate and cherish our hobby more than before, and savor and appreciate it more thoughtfully.
If they do get a good vaccine, and so far the UK / Oxford variant is looking promising, and if they manage to get it distributed without greed and beggar thy neighbor screwing the whole thing up, I predict a massive surge in low cost airlines, hotels and FKKs. With low cost fuel / oil price, lots of unemployed pilots and crew, a huge number of empty aircraft sitting idle in deserts and storage places and leasing companies and others desperate for yield, it will be a golden time of pent up demand and shift in mentality that things are always available and can be put off. People will live more in the here and now. Especially for the post packaged and tactically planned post bankruptcy big law and / or accounting firms and all sorts of non-public mispriced derivatives. Add to that the usual free money from the USA Fed doled out to the USA majors.
Some possible opportunities include JETS (ETF), Alaska (ALK), South West (LUV), WIZZ: LN (expensive stock), Ryan Air (RYA: ID), AirAsia Bhd (AIRA. KL) and AirAsia X Bhd (AIRX. KL) (both risky because of opaque accounting). Readers here may be able to make money for FKK discretionary expenditure and own what they fly on. Similarly priced travel industries NOT aimed at the corporate sector, such as budget hotel chains may also be a play. But that is indirect. Why not take it all the way, as contemplated by the French writer Michel Houellebecq in his book Platform envisaged a Club Med style FKK (Eldorador Aphrodite) that drew together serious finance, organization and mainstream ? But what if this was done near major population centers ?
AN IDEA WHOSE TIME HAS COME?
The Paradise group is in bankruptcy, but I do not know of anyway to buy it, though it would be cool if it got listed on an exchange. An properly managed FKK stock and company, getting the low-lifes out of it, I predict, would do really well. I only know of one or two examples, the Daily Planet on the Australian ASX is no longer, but was no good because of lack of governance and dodgy management. I think a very long time ago the Mustang Ranch in Nevada tried for an IPO but could be wrong. Basically they are a real estate play. The problem is the operators skim out all the profits from the real estate. If both were combined with honest management and taken mainstream, it would be a good investment, and I'll be easy to get customers and the girls the invest in what they literally use and touch. Why not allow the girls to buy stock at 5% discount? And pensioners will also love it. Yield and fun. Not only that, good management would enable competitive pricing against the short term, opportunistic sleaze bag owners skimming off the cash. They regularly self-destruct from tax evasion because they take it too far.
Well run cash flow and reserves allows cost-leveling, better price competition and done the right way offering equity to the actual participants would differentiate the club to the more sensible girls who could see a serious play and have something to show at the end of their career, something that is real and the oldest business model in the world.
Just as gays came out of the closet, maybe it is time for FKK's ownership and governance to become serious, kick out the sleaze, go mainstream and treat it no no differently from a gym or restaurant chain. Prisons are publicly traded. Why not something as harmless and natural as sex? There are oceans of capital sloshing around looking for yield. The clubs are easy to build (or buy out existing ones), have strong daily cash flow with close to zero receivables and bad debt. Plenty of young women who need income and / or somewhere to invest it, and the service is a simple, relatively affordable and natural joy that typically does well in uncertain economic times (like chocolate and small treats). Furthermore, FKKs may take the place of social contact in a greatlty reduced physical office world of telecommuters.
Am I completely crazy?
Well articulated, Mr. Cane. IMO, there is a reason members post against thread discipline. This site is another social media, and it becomes a habit and people make friends, rivals, have arguments. It is an explanation, not meant to be a rationalization. I already said you make a valid argument in your comment above.Well, it's always nice to make new friends.
Steve 9696 and Chongmal,
Thanks a lot. I will check Russia and Ukraine threads further.
Am I completely crazy?No, you're not crazy. It's the "sane" world that's crazy. If only things worked the way you picture it. Knowing what a cash cow a good FKK can be, I would definitely buy stock and invest! And patronize too. I mean, if you own a part of it, then you may as well be a little "hands-on" to make sure the business is up to customer standards right? LOLOLOL!
Mongerer88
09-06-20, 20:29
The legal reason that this idea doesn't seem to work is that almost all countries, even those with legal and regulated systems, is that it is illegal to live off of the earnings or avails of a prostitute. It is usually within the Pimping statutes.
Hopefully someone with knowledge of German law can point out whether or not this provision exists. I would be willing to be that it does. The way around it is rentals and services. I think some have mentioned that an FKK lady has to pay a certain amount of "rent" for using the facility whether or not she books any customers. Most jurisdictions where the activity is legal are okay with a lady having higher "rents" or shared facility costs if she uses the facility "relatively more", I. E. , she has paying customers, so she pays a certain amount of her per-session revenue to the facility. I say rents, but it can also be lodging. Parts of Spain actually govern their legal but regulated brothel system through the hotel statutes. The sex worker pays short term lodging costs for renting a room within the brothel, sometimes for as short as 30 minutes. In these legal but regulated system, the sex worker is allowed to hire services, so those doing scheduling, protecting and cleaning for the sex worker are not living off of her earnings. Her true earnings come after she pays those business expenses. The obvious issue is whether the accumulation of dividends and share price appreciation by a shareholder of a publicly-traded Brothel or FKK would be violating the laws against living off of the earnings or avails of a prostitute. That is quite a bit different than earning rent / lodging fees or providing services to the sex worker. I suspect no financial organization or stock brokerage would go near such an IPO, but maybe I am wrong.
The Mustang Ranch proposed IPO seems to have been an attempt for the legendary Joe Conforte to get a ruling from other government agencies stating that his company could not go public for similar reasons to what I just wrote. The IRS ridiculously asserted that the ladies were employees of his company, which would have even violated Nevada state law that clearly holds them to be independent contractors. It was not a serious IPO and it didn't even go far enough for him to get the written memos from other agencies that he was obviously fishing for. Eventually, this dispute was wrapped into many of his other tax and money laundering issues, and he fled to South America before he could be arrested. While the "Employee Payroll Tax" liability was nonsense, he likely was guilty / liable for many other tax debts and banking violations. Eventually the USA Government seized the property and auctioned it off to new owners. Much of what is written about the case by right-wing commentators is nonsense.
http://www.uscoles.com/mustangranch.html
https://www.jacksonville.com/article/20160307/NEWS/801244547
Been about 9 months since unprecedented border closures, seizure of air travel and being unable to have dozens of pretty naked women parading around, anyone of which is happy to rub her soft little feminine fingers on my groin and a lot more. FKKs are Disneyland for men. Lots of different "rides" and for the most part no waiting, and visualization and knowing what can be had for a handful of Euros just as bigger part than the deed itself.
The urge to have physical contact with these beautiful creatures is a primary instinct / life force we are presently denied, and my oh my, it is frustrating. Never again will I take travel or FKKs for granted. The upside is that we will appreciate and cherish our hobby more than before, and savor and appreciate it more thoughtfully.
Been about 9 months since unprecedented border closures, seizure of air travel and being unable to have dozens of pretty naked women parading around, anyone of which is happy to rub her soft little feminine fingers on my groin and a lot more. FKKs are Disneyland for men. Lots of different "rides" and for the most part no waiting, and visualization and knowing what can be had for a handful of Euros just as bigger part than the deed itself.
The urge to have physical contact with these beautiful creatures is a primary instinct / life force we are presently denied, and my oh my, it is frustrating. Never again will I take travel or FKKs for granted. The upside is that we will appreciate and cherish our hobby more than before, and savor and appreciate it more thoughtfully.
If they do get a good vaccine, and so far the UK / Oxford variant is looking promising, and if they manage to get it distributed without greed and beggar thy neighbor screwing the whole thing up, I predict a massive surge in low cost airlines, hotels and FKKs. With low cost fuel / oil price, lots of unemployed pilots and crew, a huge number of empty aircraft sitting idle in deserts and storage places and leasing companies and others desperate for yield, it will be a golden time of pent up demand and shift in mentality that things are always available and can be put off. People will live more in the here and now. Especially for the post packaged and tactically planned post bankruptcy big law and / or accounting firms and all sorts of non-public mispriced derivatives. Add to that the usual free money from the USA Fed doled out to the USA majors.
Some possible opportunities include JETS (ETF), Alaska (ALK), South West (LUV), WIZZ: LN (expensive stock), Ryan Air (RYA: ID), AirAsia Bhd (AIRA. KL) and AirAsia X Bhd (AIRX. KL) (both risky because of opaque accounting). Readers here may be able to make money for FKK discretionary expenditure and own what they fly on. Similarly priced travel industries NOT aimed at the corporate sector, such as budget hotel chains may also be a play. But that is indirect. Why not take it all the way, as contemplated by the French writer Michel Houellebecq in his book Platform envisaged a Club Med style FKK (Eldorador Aphrodite) that drew together serious finance, organization and mainstream ? But what if this was done near major population centers ?Most or even all of these brothel or escort organizations are managed by dodgy management and owners or they have one foot in dodgy world, it is somehow the nature of its business and it comes with territory, sadly; But if it is managed by proper corporation like management, it will be better, but maybe it won't be as kinky as we want it to be.
Mongerer88
09-06-20, 23:40
Been about 9 months since unprecedented border closures, seizure of air travel and being unable to have dozens of pretty naked women parading around, anyone of which is happy to rub her soft little feminine fingers on my groin and a lot more. FKKs are Disneyland for men. Lots of different "rides" and for the most part no waiting, and visualization and knowing what can be had for a handful of Euros just as bigger part than the deed itself.
The urge to have physical contact with these beautiful creatures is a primary instinct / life force we are presently denied, and my oh my, it is frustrating. Never again will I take travel or FKKs for granted. The upside is that we will appreciate and cherish our hobby more than before, and savor and appreciate it more thoughtfully.And separate from the true legal issues in my previous post are practical issues.
One of which is also a legal issue.
Normally the reasons for going public is to raise more money. Of course the founders sell some of their stock at a big profit, but from the company's perspective it is a need for more money and publicity.
I know the guys in the FKK forum like a big facility with lots of amenities. But I don't find that to be the trend worldwide.
I mentioned Spain, but if you look at the number of reviews and the customer satisfaction, the "shared private apartment", which is really a privately owned cooperative with the ladies themselves being the owners, is blowing away the larger legal / regulated Spanish brothels operating under the hotel statutes. There are Just a few ladies in the shared private apartment facility at a time, so they don't need public equity investments. You have to consider that all a lady needs to be a sex worker in the modern era is a cell phone and the internet to take out an ad. The overhead of a big facility may not be a good thing from an investment perspective.
Now I realize that FKKs have a lot of amenities that places in Spain do not, but a lot of posters have indicated that zoning approvals for big, new facilities are unlikely in the current political environment. So what are you going to do with all that money? Expand and refurbish the existing facilities? Are you going to then charge a higher entrance fee? I am not sure those amenities would be worth the higher price to most customers.
The other way to make more money and give a return to shareholders is to increase prices and / or increase foot traffic (traffic is probably not the best term to use). Recent price increases have not been too popular with ISG members, so I am skeptical of that approach. And you have an enormous problem if the current system of ladies accepting tips to ignore the mandatory CBJ rule continues. When upper-level management of a publicly-traded company knows and therefore participates in a scheme to violate the law, most countries impose huge fines that decrease shareholder returns. So that leaves increasing revenue by filling more rooms with an abundance of sex workers and doing enough advertising to entice guys worldwide who were otherwise unaware of the existence of FKKs to travel to Germany. Not sure that is going to work, since most media outlets have a policy of refusing sexually-oriented advertising. And trying to actively recruit sex workers to go to Germany to work would violate the laws of many localities.
Can someone enlighten me please? I have read the reports in the Artemis thread and the club is clearly open. Looks like the same in Bavaria. Why are the clubs in NRW and Hessen not opening? If they are doing so, can anyone say when for certain? Thanks.
Am I completely crazy?Maybe. But from experience I have a feeling that putting something on the stock exchange will just enhance the drive upwards in terms of squeezing more and more money from the customer. The newfound stakeholders would demand theirs, and this would in turn ruin the entire model. The size of the largest establishments would have to be so that there could be competition between two clubs, and a national bureau would therefore have to regulate the prices. Thus making investments not as great.
State run brothels / FKK's are thus far more likely, as that also removes the pimp question.
No, you're not crazy. It's the "sane" world that's crazy. If only things worked the way you picture it. Knowing what a cash cow a good FKK can be, I would definitely buy stock and invest! And patronize too. I mean, if you own a part of it, then you may as well be a little "hands-on" to make sure the business is up to customer standards right? LOLOLOL!Sane world claim they are sane to jerk off to beautiful girls in porn videos, but not to fuck them and criticize mongers and we mongers think they are insane, so let call that relationship even LOL!
Only down side is that we mongers have to hide our real selves during our daily lives as I am certain that so called self claimed normal people do not like us saying, I've just been to Germany for holiday and fucked like 15 young beautiful stunners in the place called FKK LOL! They want to hear some thing like, I've just been to Germany and I went to many museums LOL! Well I need more than that in my life LOL!
I visited the Czech Republic in 2008 and had a great time there with beautiful Czech and Slovak women. I really enjoyed my summer visits to France in the early 2000's and had relations with sexy French women at Cap D'Agde beach. I had fun times in Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands in the 90's.In 2000's, let stick to Germany LOL! Or Zurich, there is something in Germany speaking part and eros LOL!
Pahllus Maximus
09-07-20, 04:08
The business model would be renting facilities to girls and punters at fixed rates (as is already the case) as opposed to direct a cut of the girls earnings. The girls would be able stock in the company, and so would punters, and all would become invested evangelists and sales people the same way that Apple Computer users promote their iTards / fondleslabs as the greatest thing since the invention of fire, the wheel and agriculture. An FKK has the advantage of greater choice, socialization, a lower cost of amenities to people ratio (unlike an apartment that is a ultra short term cum and go, rather than linger and repeat). So no, it is not pimping, but rather a specialized hotel that enables a certain "destination lifestyle" just as a ski lodge next to the lifts enables hassle free access to the slopes.
Paradise should have made a fortune, but as the documentary "Mega Brothel" explains, it expanded too much and ran too much debt, and could not get enough customers. Part of that was greed rather than price-demand optimization curves of start low, hook 'them, and reel them in with gradual price increases rather than a naive "must balance the pro-forma now". Listing a company is not so much to raise capital, but to create a base of evangelists and normalize the industry as a real business rather than run by dodgy owners. It blew up because of tax evasion (greed) on top of an already suspect business. Imagine a well run, strong governance company with transparency where punters and the girls (past and future) are owners and with "skin in the game" (literally and figuratively) keep a beady eye on operations and introduce repeat business discipline rather than short term profits (ie where bean counters are mean spirited and kill the golden goose). This has never been done as far as I know. My basic idea is: take out the sleazy people, provide a responsible, steady dividend that is shared. Stockholders get theirs. Governments get theirs. Punters and girls can earn points and trade for equity, or buy direct. It is their club, and they will look after it, just as condo owners protect common property and talk up their condo complex.
The real message is: those that play have a real interest, not a hit and run, fickle punt. This is the same concept behind frequent flyer points, but here, people get real quarterly dividend checks.
SKIN IN THE GAME!
Short answer is Korston is pretty low brow. Would not recommend after you know the alternatives. We did it in a side room on a beat up leather couch. It was pretty great at the time. Prices have gone up so those are best covered in Part 3 (skipping part 2 here) below. Only club detail covered in Part 2 (which includes semi naked Karaoke as the waitress brings platters of sushi and jack and coke!) is that ALL the girls in a Russian club are for hire. Not just the dancers the hostesses, the bar maids, the waitresses! My epic sushi and jack experience was with a pair of hot barmaids!
Here is Part 3 with good detail on rooms and pricing..Thanks Steve for sharing this with us. Really enjoyed reading it. Never been to Russia but this gives good insights into what to expect. I have heard that visa can be hassle for US citizens, but will take a look at Russian forums for more details. Thanks!!
The business model would be renting facilities to girls and punters at fixed rates (as is already the case) as opposed to direct a cut of the girls earnings. The girls would be able stock in the company, and so would punters, and all would become invested evangelists and sales people the same way that Apple Computer users promote their iTards / fondleslabs as the greatest thing since the invention of fire, the wheel and agriculture. An FKK has the advantage of greater choice, socialization, a lower cost of amenities to people ratio (unlike an apartment that is a ultra short term cum and go, rather than linger and repeat). So no, it is not pimping, but rather a specialized hotel that enables a certain "destination lifestyle" just as a ski lodge next to the lifts enables hassle free access to the slopes.
Paradise should have made a fortune, but as the documentary "Mega Brothel" explains, it expanded too much and ran too much debt, and could not get enough customers. Part of that was greed rather than price-demand optimization curves of start low, hook 'them, and reel them in with gradual price increases rather than a naive "must balance the pro-forma now". Listing a company is not so much to raise capital, but to create a base of evangelists and normalize the industry as a real business rather than run by dodgy owners. It blew up because of tax evasion (greed) on top of an already suspect business. Imagine a well run, strong governance company with transparency where punters and the girls (past and future) are owners and with "skin in the game" (literally and figuratively) keep a beady eye on operations and introduce repeat business discipline rather than short term profits (ie where bean counters are mean spirited and kill the golden goose). This has never been done as far as I know. My basic idea is: take out the sleazy people, provide a responsible, steady dividend that is shared. Stockholders get theirs. Governments get theirs. Punters and girls can earn points and trade for equity, or buy direct. It is their club, and they will look after it, just as condo owners protect common property and talk up their condo complex.Then there goes some of us mongers who fly half the way around this planet to attend nights of sexual fantasies LOL, but it is worth every mile and every euro we spent LOL! Every cent we do not spend on beautiful young prostitute at stunner levels are waste of money and waste of life LOL!
I mean what else are there? Good food, good travelling and young beautiful girls one after another, this is men's dream come true LOL!
Mongerer88
09-07-20, 05:04
The business model would be renting facilities to girls and punters at fixed rates (as is already the case) as opposed to direct a cut of the girls earnings. The girls would be able stock in the company, and so would punters, and all would become invested evangelists and sales people the same way that Apple Computer users promote their iTards / fondleslabs as the greatest thing since the invention of fire, the wheel and agriculture. An FKK has the advantage of greater choice, socialization, a lower cost of amenities to people ratio (unlike an apartment that is a ultra short term cum and go, rather than linger and repeat). So no, it is not pimping, but rather a specialized hotel that enables a certain "destination lifestyle" just as a ski lodge next to the lifts enables hassle free access to the slopes.So how do you handle BBBJs in your system?
A saving grace of FKKs, as opposed to more traditional German brothels, including Paradise, has been the fact that being a regular, or doing a tip, still gets Johns a BBBJ in spite of the CBJ law. Of course escorts will do what they choose in their private incall or in the customer's hotel room. And the supposedly sleazy current management of the FKKs, including some reported motorcycle club-type folks, will look the other way regarding BBBJs. I am doubtful that will happen in your REIT / Operating Company structure even if the shareholders own the REIT. The landlord still has an obligation to make sure no crimes occur on the property. So better nix those reviews regarding BBBJ, which will of course hurt marketing. The older a guy gets, the more important that a BBBJ is for an erection, and the older guys have the money. That older guy is just going to get a Sugar Baby instead of shelling out the money for a Europe trip if he knows he is going to get stuck with a CBJ at your publicly-traded FKK.
Smoke Light
09-07-20, 05:30
PahllusMaximus, sir, I read each and every post of yours word to word, and it gives me the experience of a short-term teleportation to a mysterious magical world inhibited by a better evolved civilization. I thank you for that. If a marriage certificate could expire in 30 minutes we might solved all sorts of legality issues with prostitution. Quantitatively, what is the difference between quick fuck with a woman in a private room or being married to her at a conjoined housing for 30 years? All multiplied by time spent together plus minus minor adjustments. Second grade math. Satisfy moral beliefs of puritanistic society by accepting a girl writing down her name at a publically traded FKK to be an official signage of a dinky marriage certification. Sworn by a theke, witnessed by video surveillance and the next couple waiting for a key at the reception.
The business model would be renting facilities to girls and punters at fixed rates (as is already the case) as opposed to direct a cut of the girls earnings. The girls would be able stock in the company, and so would punters, and all would become invested evangelists and sales people the same way that Apple Computer users promote their iTards / fondleslabs as the greatest thing since the invention of fire, the wheel and agriculture. An FKK has the advantage of greater choice, socialization, a lower cost of amenities to people ratio (unlike an apartment that is a ultra short term cum and go, rather than linger and repeat). So no, it is not pimping, but rather a specialized hotel that enables a certain "destination lifestyle" just as a ski lodge next to the lifts enables hassle free access to the slopes.
Paradise should have made a fortune, but as the documentary "Mega Brothel" explains, it expanded too much and ran too much debt, and could not get enough customers. Part of that was greed rather than price-demand optimization curves of start low, hook 'them, and reel them in with gradual price increases rather than a naive "must balance the pro-forma now".Sex forum turned cloud funding LOL, but in reality, I think to be the owner of German FKK, you got to be one foot into shady world or you will face problems from both shady people and also from all kind of government including police which is the real mafia LOL.
It is curious industry, but I do think there are a lot of their own rule in this industry which do not welcome new comer LOL As an example, there was a big plan and actual construction for new big FKK near Potsdam in Berlin, construction stopped half way and now plan is long gone, why? I can only guess for my own misery as it would be ideal to have second big FKK in Berlin LOL!
So how do you handle BBBJs in your system?
A saving grace of FKKs, as opposed to more traditional German brothels, including Paradise, has been the fact that being a regular, or doing a tip, still gets Johns a BBBJ in spite of the CBJ law. Of course escorts will do what they choose in their private incall or in the customer's hotel room. And the supposedly sleazy current management of the FKKs, including some reported motorcycle club-type folks, will look the other way regarding BBBJs. I am doubtful that will happen in your REIT / Operating Company structure even if the shareholders own the REIT. Why would the managers of a public company care about a practice that only happens behind closed doors? BBBJ and other illegal activities would continue as before.
Why would the managers of a public company care about a practice that only happens behind closed doors? BBBJ and other illegal activities would continue as before.It is not illegal because we fell in love during the act LOL!
Can someone enlighten me please? I have read the reports in the Artemis thread and the club is clearly open. Looks like the same in Bavaria. Why are the clubs in NRW and Hessen not opening? If they are doing so, can anyone say when for certain? Thanks.Also Saarland try to open, when prostitution is forbidden in NRW. Different lander, different problems, different decision. But for all opened, mask.
Sorry to be the Debbie Downer for today, but this whole stock market idea seems like a pipe dream to me.
If you are thinking of a private partnership where some mongers pool their money and buy a club or a few clubs, fine that is doable. I am sure the idea of being owners and consumers of these fuck franchises is appealing. Who hasn't dreamt of it?
But if the idea is extended beyond a private partnership to listing on a real exchange, it is a non starter.
Companies go public for a few reasons. First, access to capital markets. Secondly, owners (investors) have transparent pricing of their asset and can enter and exit the position as they wish when they wish. The trade off is that there are real expenses to being listed. These expenses are a deterrent for smaller companies to get listed. There is a reason the neighborhood mom and pop pizza is not listed on the market but Dominoes or McDonald's are. An additional $250 K fee as an example for various audits, filing fee, meeting compliance requirements which have increased with Dodd Frank, would not be a problem for a company with annual revenue of $200 M but might be a problem for a smaller company with small profit margin.
Right off the bat, specifics are important. Some info which is needed but I do not know this info and reading these pages for a year or more now, I get the sense most members here also do not know. (A) who are the current owners of various clubs and are they willing to sell their clubs and if so at what price (b) what are the financials of these clubs, such as annual revenues, fixed and variable costs, profit margins, growth and maintenance capex, and how do they scale. For instance what would be revenue and margin for Sharks, for dolce Vita and for Bernds and if Sharks could grow revenues by say 20% how much would profit margin expand? . (C) are there synergies if owning more than one club and what would they be (d) what are the required licenses and how difficult is it to obtain a license? Assume for now that you are able to attract girls and customers for this part of the discussion.
I think it makes sense to restrict this discussion to Germany, as this becomes even more of a pipe dream in other countries where no fuck clubs exist even now.
Most stocks get listed on exchanges after they have been operating as businesses for a while, want to grow bigger, and need capital. That suggests that someone like Sharks or Oase or Artemis, sufficiently large, could approach the capital markets. The idea floated here, I. E a bunch of mongers owning the club as stock investors, well are you saying you will buy shares in this Sharks Inc? Or pool money into a shell entity and the shell acquires clubs? Or even perhaps build new clubs?
Building new clubs is a terrible idea. First there is already overcapacity. Too many clubs. Many members said on these pages that barring a few top clubs, many Clubs seem relatively empty with not much profits for most of the year. A group of monger guys who have zero experience in prior operation of any club should not be building a new club, thus adding to the overcapacity and diluting business for all.
Assume you pool your money and begin a shell company, each participant gets some shares, and you acquire a well established club, hopefully at a reasonable price. Assume for the moment, Sharks or Oase or some other club owner sells their club willingly. So far, all the capital is yours. Now, if you want to list this in Frankfurt or some other exchange, DB or Commerzbank or any other reputed bank is absolutely not willing to underwrite this business. No one take you to IPO. If you dispute this assertion, you have zero experience with culture And DNA of any investment bank, I can tell you. Perhaps you can get some other zombie shell company which is listed on some pink sheets somewhere to do a reverse merger with you and you can get thus listed in a backdoor manner. But even if you do so, what is the point?! Who will be the new investors? No institutional investor would ever step in. Not one. May be some other retail, monger investors will step in. May be. It will still be you and your small pool for the most part. For that, why did you even bother going to public listing? You could have stayed private. As I said, being listed carries real expenses.
My guess is, even the largest club, say Sharks, doesn't have annual profit exceeding $10 M. Profits, not revenues mind you. That is my guess. If you have better info, please do share. For a smut business with uncertain visibility and sustainability, it will not attract any meaningful multiple. I. e. The market cap will not exceed $30 M to $50 M.
In the last 20 years, the number of stocks in developed countries have declined materially. Wiltshire 5000 index at one point did have 5000 stocks but now has around 3500. The total number of stocks in US exchanges was in the range of 7500 and now less than 4000. Companies merged, stocks taken private, MBO and LBO, and so on. Expenses, regulatory issues were a key driving force in this reduction.
As far as I know only a couple of smut stocks have ever been listed on US exchanges. Playboy did trade for more than 30 years but eventually it too went private. It NEVER Once exceeded $300 M in revenue, and no not because of internet killing publications. Even before there was a thing called internet, playboy never exceeded $300 M revenue and its market cap never exceeded a few hundred million. When it was taken private, that was just above $100 M I think. New frontier media, which owned Ten network and also Owned Penthouse if I remember correctly, never exceeded $50 M revenue and was a small micro cap. It too is no longer listed.
In short, there is a real advantage to having more than one stock in a given space. Unless you have more than one FKK stock listed, the one single stock will languish even more.
Of late, SpAcs have become somewhat hot. A lot of EV stocks went public through spacs. But even a Spac is not a panacea for a FKK listing. The spac sponsor, after having raised the money and then disclosing he intends to purchase an FKK will have a revolt on his hand. There are clauses which enable investors to pull out and the spac sponsor's reputation is ruined.
As I said, institutional investors will have zero interest. Imagine you are a bright 29 year old MBA or CFA. Will you pitch to your PM "let us buy Sharks stock, it has strong growth potential because next year the number of monger fuckers will increase by x percent, door entry price increase 10 Euros, club will issue fewer discount cards, club can reduce costs by cutting Air conditioning expense by making the fish tank room even hotter, and providing even shittier food and capex is coming down because they will put off the repairs on sauna for another year".
When Playboy and New frontier were listed, ESG was not a big deal. Now every fund manager is hot on eSG. I can politely tell you ESG is not exactly compatible with fuck clubs. 20 years ago, there were fewer women in fund management business, now there are many.
So it all comes down again, who will be the new investors beyond your little core group? If you cannot expand the number of investors beyond a private pool, there is no advantage to being publicly listed, but plenty of downside due to scrutiny and added expenses.
Stocks, by their very nature, demand growth. As far as I know, these clubs are not growing that much. If anything, they seem to be flattish or even declining. The only scenario in which it works is if a big club gets listed, say Sharks or Oase, has better access to capital, raises some new money and with that it goes shopping for other clubs and consolidates as many clubs as possible. That is what happens in a stagnant market. If revenues are not growing, you increase profits by cutting costs. This is what I referred above by "synergies if multiple clubs are owned by a single owner and how much are the synergies". But if Sharks comes calling, will Oase, World and Dietz sell? Will authorities allow it? Will customers like it? Will girls like it?
Sorry, this idea is DOA. Dead on arrival. My 2 cents.
The real message is: those that play have a real interest, not a hit and run, fickle punt. This is the same concept behind frequent flyer points, but here, people get real quarterly dividend checks.Ah, great minds think alike! I too was thinking about the airline industry as a comparison! And on that note, why state regulation as Pistons suggests? No, if this thing is going to happen, then there must be deregulation and fierce competition, just like with the airlines. With that, there would be different market segments among the clubs, with some being budget-minded (bring your own soap and towels LOL) and others offering first / business class facilities and the hottest girls (and perhaps higher prices), and every other kind of club and pricing in between. Privatization and deregulation promotes competition and yields the best options for the monger with an eye on prices and quality. I say again. I would invest in a well-run, cash cow, on-premises, FKK-style sex club chain if I could. Call the chain "Tutes" LOLOLOL!
Mongerer88
09-07-20, 12:44
Why would the managers of a public company care about a practice that only happens behind closed doors? BBBJ and other illegal activities would continue as before.Because your investment is at greater risk if the government imposes a conspiracy type fine upon the entity for knowingly allowing an illegal activity to occur. If someone can read about it online from multiple credible sources, then the theory is that the company should have internally investigated it and have taken action. A similar thing is happening in the pharmaceutical world regarding sale of opiates.
I don't get some of you guys. The government is never your friend in this business. In some countries, it is the opponent, in other countries, particularly Germany, it is a somewhat disapproving but tolerant observer. When you introduce the concept of a publicly-traded company being involved, you introduce regulatory oversight and regulations that would be bizarre to try to apply.
You are simply better off, in my opinion, of having it run by the friendly "Sons of Anarchy" type motorcycle gang who can do questionable things like pay a finders fee to someone informing hot young Romanian women of the existence of FKKs than a system where doing that on official books and records might violate some law in some country, and get you fined. Prices would go up and some services would decline when you introduce the government and investors. Didn't prices go up, and some services at some places go down, a few years ago when the a German government introduced new laws? Regulatory agencies that govern public companies wouldn't "pass" new laws, they already have plenty of existing regulations that would be applied to FKKs that were never previously applicable.
What makes you think you only get CBJs in traditional brothels?
Sex forum turned cloud funding LOL, but in reality, I think to be the owner of German FKK, you got to be one foot into shady world or you will face problems from both shady people and also from all kind of government including police which is the real mafia LOL.
It is curious industry, but I do think there are a lot of their own rule in this industry which do not welcome new comer LOL As an example, there was a big plan and actual construction for new big FKK near Potsdam in Berlin, construction stopped half way and now plan is long gone, why? I can only guess for my own misery as it would be ideal to have second big FKK in Berlin LOL!Were you never in a club when the s T AFF came and picked up all the ashtrays and smoking inside was suddenly forbidden. This was a sure sign that the police would arrive within ten minutes. How did they know. Well, The little bird was trained to sing.
Were you never in a club when the s T AFF came and picked up all the ashtrays and smoking inside was suddenly forbidden. This was a sure sign that the police would arrive within ten minutes. How did they know. Well, The little bird was trained to sing.I was in Artemis when fire alarm went off falsely and police just raided the place and we both clients and girls were standing outside in cold winter, some of girls with just towels wrapped around their naked body and it was little bit raining too. I felt such a warm hospitable treatment of German police when it comes to FKK LOL!
HammerTime96
09-08-20, 05:12
I felt such a warm hospitable treatment of German police when it comes to FKK LOL!Yeah, "Germans are going to German," it's in their blood.
I was at GT during a raid a few years ago, and I could suddenly understand Germany's "history" a lot better.
If you have to do a job like checking IDs, then do it professionally, efficiently but also courteously, but the German police was obviously there with a politically correct agenda: and it showed! What a bunch of arrogant Muppet, especially considering how the German police failed miserably in 2015 when hundreds of women were raped in the centre of Cologne during the New Year's celebrations and the authorities and media tried to cover everything up.
Prostitution is allowed again in NRW with immediate effect. The Higher Administrative Court in NRW has temporarily suspended the prohibition of sexual services. As a result, sexual services inside and outside prostitution facilities are permitted again, and prostitution facilities may be reopened.
The decision is final.
https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/nrw-prostitutionsstaetten-duerfen-wieder-oeffnen-sexuelle-dienstleistungen-sind-wieder-erlaubt_179785.html
Prostitution is allowed again in NRW with immediate effect. The Higher Administrative Court in NRW has temporarily suspended the prohibition of sexual services. As a result, sexual services inside and outside of prostitution facilities are permitted again, and prostitution facilities may be reopened.
The decision is final.
https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/nrw-prostitutionsstaetten-duerfen-wieder-oeffnen-sexuelle-dienstleistungen-sind-wieder-erlaubt_179785.htmlThat's good news for the EU ice bears. As for those us of trapped in the US, interesting times: our streets are still filled with "protestors" spreading covid to our senior citizens, we're still waiting for a vaccine, and the are media dropping their "October surprise" over Labor Day weekend because they want to affect early voting. Only thing we can say with certainty is that we are probably looking forward to normal FKK more than any other mongers out there LOL.
Prostitution is allowed again in NRW with immediate effect. The Higher Administrative Court in NRW has temporarily suspended the prohibition of sexual services. As a result, sexual services inside and outside prostitution facilities are permitted again, and prostitution facilities may be reopened.
The decision is final.
https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/nrw-prostitutionsstaetten-duerfen-wieder-oeffnen-sexuelle-dienstleistungen-sind-wieder-erlaubt_179785.htmlThanks for this amazing news! Hopefully, also Hessen will follow soon!
Good news indeed: https://www.bild.de/regional/duesseldorf/duesseldorf-aktuell/oberverwaltungsgericht-hat-entschieden-prostitution-in-nrw-wieder-erlaubt-72799146.bild.html?wtmc=whtspp.shr.
Good news indeed: https://www.bild.de/regional/duesseldorf/duesseldorf-aktuell/oberverwaltungsgericht-hat-entschieden-prostitution-in-nrw-wieder-erlaubt-72799146.bild.html?wtmc=whtspp.shr.From that article it sounds like a done deal then!
Just not sure what the outcome regarding face masks were. Anyone knows? The questionmark in the headline is a bit confusing.
The good thing here is that nrw can easily stand on their own. It is not like rheinland pfalz who more has to look to their larger neighbours. But with nrw and the Mnster court opening it up, I bet rheinland pfalz will also join in quite soon now too.
And then Hessen should be next perhaps?
Good news indeed: https://www.bild.de/regional/duesseldorf/duesseldorf-aktuell/oberverwaltungsgericht-hat-entschieden-prostitution-in-nrw-wieder-erlaubt-72799146.bild.html?wtmc=whtspp.shr.To all you cats out there lucky enough to indulge in our favorite pastime at our favorite locales please be safe and follow diligently all prescribed rules so that there is no spike in infections coming from FKKs. I want FKKs to remain open until I am able to return.
The business model would be renting facilities to girls and punters at fixed rates (as is already the case) as opposed to direct a cut of the girls earnings. The girls would be able stock in the company, and so would punters, and all would become invested evangelists and sales people the same way that Apple Computer users promote their iTards / fondleslabs as the greatest thing since the invention of fire, the wheel and agriculture. An FKK has the advantage of greater choice, socialization, a lower cost of amenities to people ratio (unlike an apartment that is a ultra short term cum and go, rather than linger and repeat). So no, it is not pimping, but rather a specialized hotel that enables a certain "destination lifestyle" just as a ski lodge next to the lifts enables hassle free access to the slopes.Well, you could also take Macau as an example. There all the Hong Kong owned and listed casinos have sex trade establishments (saunas) on one of the floors. But the casinos owned by western listed companies don't. And the argue that this is all due to PR towards the general western investor. While the climate in HK is different, and there they don't have anything against it.
So perhaps you would just have to list the company in Hong Kong. Still, I am not a fan of the extra stakeholder. And a state run idea as an equivalent to a university gym is far and away superior in every sense!
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