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Sometimes I am sitting in the couch, maybe talking to another monger. When my number one target WG comes from the dressing room, I will abruptly end the conversation and walk towards her. This is SIMP behaviour, I realize this.
But after my room with her, I stop tracking her movements, I stop trying to get her attention, I stop "suffocating" her with my continuous presence, unless I have intention of repeating her on the same day. What time she last went to the room? Don't care. Did she go home already? Don't care. If she comes into the room (or leaves), I will stay seated wherever I was seated and probably not even look up at her. I do not do this to be rude, but if I do not have intention to go to the room with her later that day, I do not want to send mixed signals to her and waste her time, because I want her to find someone else to make money. But some mongers track their favorites one year after their last room together. Other mongers notice. Other WGs notice. Staff notices. Security personnel monitoring the CCTV notice. And if it escalates, and I hope it never does, maybe even the Polizei at some point. This type of behavior is more noticeable and observable at smaller clubs.
If I always stay 5 meters from a WG and stare, eventually she will notice this behaviour and come to me. I can use my eyes for minutes, sometimes hours to get her attention. If she goes to smoke area, I can wait five minutes, then walk to the smoke area, always staying 5-10 meters away. But I do not hover like this, because the easiest, most efficient approach is to just go to her myself and talk to her. I do not want to be in the club for 16-18 hours, or even her entire 10 hour shift. I want to go with three different WGs, and I need time between to recuperate, so for example 14:00, another 17:00, another at 21:00. If I want to keep this schedule, I can not waste time.I don't know what is your SIMP, but I'm sure none of my regulars never took me to complain on desk and I'm proud of this, when had so many coming weekly to me when they could choose to go to others waiting. I agree girls are much more attractive to pay attention than guys and I pay entry for girls, I don't need brothels friends, I just need elegant beauties, I drive and pay for this. If I understand You well, 1 year after I stopped, I was so happy to drive weekly only for Daniela who was a really good surprise and I also couldn't go with another girl with her, I remember once a look like nothing came to rub on me when I didn't ask for anything, but I saw Daniela reaction, I got rid very fast of the other girl and went to Daniela. I didn't care when previous came to me when I was speaking with desk, but not about her when desk still asked me if I was waiting for her 1 year after I stopped, but about Daniela, to tell them she was the new and only one for my visits. But previous was so angry feeling humiliated and furthermore about Daniela and their story before brothel, but I didn't know before knowing Daniela, but previous could complain if I really harassed her, when she never took me to desk, I m pretty sure she would have preferred I returned to her like I already did twice, the only one I returned to after deciding to stop, even she was the busiest business and not needing much my money, but not many able to value her, but her new business image was not anymore attractive for me, making her so angry, maybe from her past private life experienced. Real facts: no girl took me to any desk and I remember GT desk asking: You come tomorrow? On each time I left. So many jealous guys, but they should just improve to get girls choosing them rather than waiting in frustration making them jealous, when I never run to get my regulars, I want they choose to come to me or at least a smiling welcome for Kate, this is very important for me, I would not be able to run after a prostitute when it s sometimes real effort for discovery. I remember when clubs reopened on June, I went to Swiss Dietikon for a Globe girl I noticed before closing, but after 3 months break with only 5 times with Russian Olga, not much for 3 months, but when I saw her and she was attractive enough for club rate and smiling when I arrived, but I couldn't go to her. When I understood I was not able, I drove back home full balls, not even thinking to return on next day, I was not ready to return to brothels and to go to prostitutes. So many jealous guys like a German guy at Sharks who was told, after complaining many times about me on desk but with no facts except once when I was working on my phone but nobody else complained, he is only a client like me, even German, but just not more than me, when Megan came to me weekly, also her full smiling choice, to start her day with a safe, relaxing room with a bad but the most respectful guy valuating them as women, to give them courage, when it was same at LR, must be a real reason for weekly same choice, rather than my threats on girls. Only facts count for me in brothels, not jealous bullshits, I can just understand she turned angry, knowing a bit about her life, when I would have preferred she didn't change, lose lose when she was my best student for sex, when brothels have to be win win for guy and girl. I wish her the best woman life and to be free to enjoy her money she made, not to buy car to pimp. I work to buy my cars or holidays or brothels.
I would say those who did not find another jobs will come back and hey remember, this pandemic attack so many middle class and lower class, so I would say more young girls will join FKK industry once FKK reopen! Logical thought, isn't it? What do you guys think?
And most small business won't be able to hire again due to shortage of money if they even survive to exist through two years of corona shutdown! So not much normal jobs, but FKK is always there to welcome all girls!
I would say many new girls from Germany and foreign land will join FKK!Yea you guys are probably right. I think all that money I've made last year has gone to my head. These girls are probably not investing and have 0 income.
My contention is that in the FKK context, relationships do not really evolve beyond the early stage, and also WGs tend to be the most extreme on the spectrum of girls with daddy issues.The sad part is that WGs will patronize the SIMP behavior and reinforce any delusions of grandeur.
Sometimes I am sitting in the couch, maybe talking to another monger. When my number one target WG comes from the dressing room, I will abruptly end the conversation and walk towards her. This is SIMP behaviour, I realize this..LOL That's me as well LOL! I always tell the fellow monger I was speaking to "a man got to to what a man got to do" and go and fetch her first shift of the day LOL!
When so jealous followers change meaning for everything. Yes, I lost my desire for pretty and sweet Russian lovely Olga, my under confine escort, when I saw condoms in her bathroom dustbin and I really didn't need to count how many, when I just opened to put mine after sex, and first time I saw with her and felt desire left and never returned, even I enjoyed her for 5 times. I remember our first time, when she had a little white dog, she told it to stay on its place, but when I was taking care of her and she made little noises, nothing porn, so little dog also made little noises, but when she didn't answer, little dog came on the bed and was looking at me, female dog, we laughed with Olga. After she put it in bathroom, even I told her dog could stay on bed for lesson, but Olga was shy with her dog. But image make desire or not, same like in brothels, I have my standards for attraction, I'm not excited by prostitute image, I prefer to stop with girls who choose to get this image. They are free to decide and I'm free to stop. Easy, next.
Of course.
If you're a (taxi / truck / ambulance) driver.
Or if you're Ryan Gosling and you work for the mob.So the guy must be one of the occupation you mentioned that he is proud of then LOL! It is good to combine those with skiing and biking, it fit in back of the truck, I am not sure if it fit in taxi though LOL! No wonder spending time so much on road make one even think about so called jealousy toward prostitutes in brothel LOL! They are prostitute! What jealousy are there if they are getting fucked by everyone who pay them LOL!
I know the beauty is in the eye of their beholders, but there must be some similarity that people see when come to finding the WGs.
A good example is if you visit FKK and you see someone you want to go with, who are attractive, and, have a toned nice body, they are normally very busy and difficult to book. In many cases you hardly find them in the lounge / bar as they are most likely in the room most of the time.
I treat all of the girls in the FKK or other palces with respect but I also only want to go with the girl I like. When I deal with pushy sharks in the FKKs, I try to use various accuses to avoid them without hurting them, like moving to other areas, etc. Try to order drink and move away, etc.
What is your strategy to get the best beauty in FKKs, guy if you could share it?
ExpatLover
01-09-21, 17:41
I know the beauty is in the eye of their beholders, but there must be some similarity that people see when come to finding the WGs.
A good example is if you visit FKK and you see someone you want to go with, who are attractive, and, have a toned nice body, they are normally very busy and difficult to book. In many cases you hardly find them in the lounge / bar as they are most likely in the room most of the time.
I treat all of the girls in the FKK or other palces with respect but I also only want to go with the girl I like. When I deal with pushy sharks in the FKKs, I try to use various accuses to avoid them without hurting them, like moving to other areas, etc. Try to order drink and move away, etc.
What is your strategy to get the best beauty in FKKs, guy if you could share it?Each case is different, I am well know in the FKK that I am a good (may be stupid) guy be ready to pay several hundred so the girls are usually trying to catch me. Sometimes not so I go to them telling them they are very beautiful and also very busy and if they want we can arrange an appointment for the coming days. I never go with a girl who already had several rooms I want to be the first of the day.
LOL That's me as well LOL! I always tell the fellow monger I was speaking to "a man got to to what a man got to do" and go and fetch her first shift of the day LOL!Mr Ho. Feel free to stop mid sentence and go for her! I was once at a strip club and when I entered it was pretty empty -so I turned to the bouncer and said "Not many guys here".
And the bouncer said the wisest words: are you here for the guys or for the girls?
So Mr Ho. No apology or explanation needed. You see her You go get her. We can always talk later 😜.
I don't think most girls are coming back right after re-opening. It'll be another year after re-opening for the younger mass to return. The plastic older pros will be back on day one no doubt, but not my type. So with all that added up, we're looking at a roughly 2 year horizon. Assuming there is still any FKKs left for the girls to return to.
Well, there is only a limited number of working girls could be accommodated to work in one FKKs. It is up to the FKK owner to decide who should work first, who is next.
Reasonable assumption they will choose the girls who in the past received many bookings. Doing this they are maximising revenue from room renting and commision from the girls. These will normally mean young good-looking girls, with nice body. I do not mind plastic dolly girls if they are good looking and reasonably young.
Sometimes I am sitting in the couch, maybe talking to another monger. When my number one target WG comes from the dressing room, I will abruptly end the conversation and walk towards her. This is SIMP behaviour, I realize this.
But after my room with her, I stop tracking her movements, I stop trying to get her attention, I stop "suffocating" her with my continuous presence, unless I have intention of repeating her on the same day. What time she last went to the room? Don't care. Did she go home already? Don't care. If she comes into the room (or leaves), I will stay seated wherever I was seated and probably not even look up at her. I do not do this to be rude, but if I do not have intention to go to the room with her later that day, I do not want to send mixed signals to her and waste her time, because I want her to find someone else to make money. But some mongers track their favorites one year after their last room together. Other mongers notice. Other WGs notice. Staff notices. Security personnel monitoring the CCTV notice. And if it escalates, and I hope it never does, maybe even the Polizei at some point. This type of behavior is more noticeable and observable at smaller clubs..What? You see a tute you really want, you step to her, and I mean quick! Especially if you've been waiting for her. You step to that before another monger gets on her first!
HammerTime96
01-09-21, 18:40
I wouldn't make too many plans for 2021, because who knows: a new "strain" of the "virus" appears, and suddenly the hastily 'thrown-together-vaccine' is no longer effective and we're back at Square One with closures and lockdowns. I'm NOT saying that this will happen, but I wouldn't bet on everything being normal and FKKs opening in 2021 either. In case things drastically improve, you can always book some last-minute ticket, but I wouldn't spend big bucks on any tickets or hotel rooms or rental cars for the summer, speculating that "everything will be open again. ' That's just as stupid as paying a hooker up front for all the empty promises she makes. LOL!
Again, not MY words, but the words of Bill Gates and Tony Fauci;.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dr-anthony-fauci-masks-social-182017614.html
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bill-gates-on-covid-19-fall-2021-wont-be-completely-back-to-normal-115847877.html
Better keep on jerking off to porn with 5 different face diapers wrapped around your head boys, thanks to the 'Plandemic' of Klaus Schwab & his fascist Globalist WEF buddies:
https://www.amazon.com/COVID-19-Great-Reset-Klaus-Schwab/dp/2940631123
Each case is different, I am well know in the FKK that I am a good (may be stupid) guy be ready to pay several hundred so the girls are usually trying to catch me. Sometimes not so I go to them telling them they are very beautiful and also very busy and if they want we can arrange an appointment for the coming days. I never go with a girl who already had several rooms I want to be the first of the day.
Well, I probably have not put my query clearly. I am not talking about getting the girl attention to go with. In FKK we know they are not there to have a good time but they are there for a business making money. There is no need to tell the FKK girl that they are very beautiful and also busy, the thing a person will normally do when hunting a civvy girl in the pub or bars.
I do not mind to go with the girls who have seen many customers on that day. It is always be the case that the girl who are in demand, attractive will definitely see a lot of customers in day. On the contrary the girls who are not busy are normally because there are not many people want to go with her. So far, I have not got rejected by the FKK girl by asking them to go to the room unless they are busy or they already have another appointment to see the next client or repeated customer. The other reason is that the transaction fail because they are asking too much for extra. Being a repeated and generous customer showering with money will certainly help in any business including providing service in FKK. But I hardly do that in FKK.
What I want to know here is how to find them, given that they are normally in the room most of the time and at the time you approach them they already have another booking. One thing I have done in the past is to sit close to shower / changing room as any of them must pass that area and you could approach them before anyone else approach them in the lounge, sitting room. Is there any other more efficient method that you guy know??
ExpatLover
01-09-21, 19:38
Well, I probably have not put my query clearly. I am not talking about getting the girl attention to go with. In FKK we know they are not there to have a good time but they are there for a business making money. There is no need to tell the FKK girl that they are very beautiful and also busy, the thing a person will normally do when hunting a civvy girl in the pub or bars.
So far, I have not got rejected by the FKK girl by asking them to go to the room unless they are busy or they already have another appointment to see the next client or repeated customer. The other reason is that the transaction fail because they are asking too much for extra. Being a repeated and generous customer showering with miney certainly help in any business including providing service in FKK. But I hardly do that in FKK.
What I want to know here is how to find them, given that they are normally in the room most of the time and at the time you approach them they already have another booking. One thing I have done in the past is to sit close to shower / changing room as any of them must pass that area and you could approach them before anyone else approach them in the lounge, sitting room. Is there any other more efficient method that you guy know??All the girls I know will go to the shower place after the room, so easy to stop them and ask, why are you making the things so complicated? You have to be flexible and proactive to adapt to each girl and situation, it seems it is difficult for you when the things are not planned in advance.
BigBuddy69
01-09-21, 22:18
In FKK context, provided you are not a creepy stalker, being a SIMP can have some benefits. Giving gifts, tips, long rooms, constantly repeating and not going with other WGs, and adjusting your schedule to fit hers will be appreciated. WGs may reward SIMPs with more illusion and some AO.But when the guys accepts that the girl orders him not to go with another girl, is it still SIMP or more something like cuckolding? Especially when the girl fucks non stop during her shift and when the guy sneaks in the club when the girl is on vacation to fuck some other chick? It's a little bit like candaulism. I saw on some candaulist forum that the most obedient male slaves wear a chastity cage on their willy and are punished when they have a hard on. Maybe some girls could do the same with their SIMP.
What I want to know here is how to find them, given that they are normally in the room most of the time and at the time you approach them they already have another booking. One thing I have done in the past is to sit close to shower / changing room as any of them must pass that area and you could approach them before anyone else approach them in the lounge, sitting room. Is there any other more efficient method that you guy know??Beautiful girls are not booked all the time, if you go there and stay for 6-12 hours you will see every girl who is working in the day.
If you don't have long time in FKK, this forum really help because they describe where girls sit and by knowing that you will find her.
OR you can chat with some guys and ask them abut girls, sometimes they give you good tips.
When I go there. And I miss Sharks now alot. I don't have a pressure to find a stunning girl and don't think about it, I just enjoy my time and look at as much girls as I could, but usually even the busiest girls, stay on sofa for long time with no customer.
Enjoy.
What? You see a tute you really want, you step to her, and I mean quick! Especially if you've been waiting for her. You step to that before another monger gets on her first!Be sure to bring her under good light for final inspection LOL! Or you could be surprise by close up ambush that one could fail to see under magic lighting system of German FKK LOL.
Mr Ho. Feel free to stop mid sentence and go for her! I was once at a strip club and when I entered it was pretty empty -so I turned to the bouncer and said "Not many guys here".
And the bouncer said the wisest words: are you here for the guys or for the girls?
So Mr Ho. No apology or explanation needed. You see her You go get her. We can always talk later 😜.Yes, a monger got to do what monger got to do LOL! I mean I fly half the way around the world!
I know the beauty is in the eye of their beholders, but there must be some similarity that people see when come to finding the WGs.
A good example is if you visit FKK and you see someone you want to go with, who are attractive, and, have a toned nice body, they are normally very busy and difficult to book. In many cases you hardly find them in the lounge / bar as they are most likely in the room most of the time.
I treat all of the girls in the FKK or other palces with respect but I also only want to go with the girl I like. When I deal with pushy sharks in the FKKs, I try to use various accuses to avoid them without hurting them, like moving to other areas, etc. Try to order drink and move away, etc.
What is your strategy to get the best beauty in FKKs, guy if you could share it?It is called brothel where prostitutes work and all you have to do is be polite, but strong and be sure to have money LOL! No money, no honey in FKK LOL! With money, a lot of honey LOL!
When you reject even politely, some tutes get pissed off anyway and often tell you nice things in their language, most of time in Romanian language even though they just claimed they are Spanish or Italian girl few seconds ago LOL I never knew they speak fluent Romanian in Spain or Italy LOL!
Sometimes I am sitting in the couch, maybe talking to another monger. When my number one target WG comes from the dressing room, I will abruptly end the conversation and walk towards her. This is SIMP behaviour, I realize this.
I think that action is not a SIMP behaviour as long as she does not see you making an abrupt move in approaching her making you look so desperate. Although I myself prefer to close the conversation and telling the nice guy sitting next to me what I want to do next (e.g. Approaching the girl), rather than making an abrupt move ending the conversation which some guys might consider it rude.
The first thing that does not make this action as a SIMP behaviour is that, if the girl is in demand they will definitely does not belong to "mediocre" puss* category, more likely qualify as a stunner.
Also think about what will happen if someone already approaches her for chatting before you do. It might take another half hour before they go to the bedroom for about one hour (?). Finiishing the session, you might need to wait for her again taking shower and come back to the sitting room (if they do immedeately). In the meanwhile, it might happen it is time for you to go home.
RabbitFarm
01-10-21, 12:35
Dr Fauci Statement "Because even though for the general population it might be 90 to 95 percent effective, you don't necessarily know for you how effective it is. ".
Sounds a lot like he's just covering his ass with that statement. So if you do get vaccinated and happen to catch the virus, well he'll, you just happen to be that exception he was talking about.
But when the guys accepts that the girl orders him not to go with another girl, is it still SIMP or more something like cuckolding? Especially when the girl fucks non stop during her shift and when the guy sneaks in the club when the girl is on vacation to fuck some other chick? It's a little bit like candaulism. I saw on some candaulist forum that the most obedient male slaves wear a chastity cage on their willy and are punished when they have a hard on. Maybe some girls could do the same with their SIMP.Now that's total simp behavior. Not necessarily cuckoldry, but the guy could be a candidate LOL!
Sounds a lot like he's just covering his ass with that statement. So if you do get vaccinated and happen to catch the virus, well he'll, you just happen to be that exception he was talking about.No he's not covering his ass, he's merely underlining the obvious. Why wouldn't you expect exceptions when the vaccine doesn't claim to be 100% effective?
I think that action is not a SIMP behaviour as long as she does not see you making an abrupt move in approaching her making you look so desperate. Although I myself prefer to close the conversation and telling the nice guy sitting next to me what I want to do next (e.g. Approaching the girl), rather than making an abrupt move ending the conversation which some guys might consider it rude.A lot of these WGs I react to in such a "desperate" manner, already know me. They know my modus operandi, and this same exact behaviour of mines will be redirected to my next target in 3-4 hours. And they know that just because I appear "thirsty" at this moment in time, does not necessarily mean that I will be thirsty for them when I encounter them on my next visit. My interest in them on my next visit will depend on the LU that day, and how many shots I feel I can muster for that day.
If I am speaking to another like-minded gentleman, I usually seed the conversation and tell them I am on the lookout for a certain WG. Even if I don't, my body language and the way my eyes are constantly scanning the room should be a clear indicator to them that I am in hunt mode. My abrupt departure mid-sentence should not be a surprise to anyone who can recognise social cues. In about 30-60 minutes, I will probably return to that same exact couch position to resume the conversation and I will be more relaxed and less distracted. I may periodically scan for arrivals of late shift WGs, but because I am not actively interested in a room in the next 30 minutes, my body language and conversational attention span changes significantly during this recharge mode.
Also think about what will happen if someone already approaches her for chatting before you do. It might take another half hour before they go to the bedroom for about one hour (?). Finiishing the session, you might need to wait for her again taking shower and come back to the sitting room (if they do immedeately). In the meanwhile, it might happen it is time for you to go home.Yes, during peak rush hours, someone will often beat me to my target. Sometimes I may extend my wait for another 30-60 minutes, which would obviously also delay room two and cancel out room three. Other times I move onto the next target on my list. If it is a new WG who I find off-the charts attractive (happens once every three years), I may decide to wait substantially longer and settle for only 1-2 sessions for the day. Likewise if the LU is really weak that day, and there aren't any backup options. Likewise if I know that my target is a WG who rarely works.
What? You see a tute you really want, you step to her, and I mean quick! Especially if you've been waiting for her. You step to that before another monger gets on her first!Some mongers will be a constant presence like a shadow her entire shift. In such a manner, they can force a scenario where the WG will eventually approach them.
Some mongers not like to approach. I can understand that. Approaching expresses intent. It might change the balance of the power dynamic. It might give her leverage in negotiations. However, I would argue that always putting yourself in your target WG's direct of line-of-sight and staring at her constantly, has the same effect as approaching her. In the end, the monger is still expressing a strong intent that they would like to initiate a conversation, even if technically it is the WG who physically walks over to him.
Booking her out for 12 hours of couch and room time is normal if one can afford it, but monitoring your FKK wife (or ex-FKK wife) from a five meter distance for 12 hours and not approaching her is harder for me to understand. Likewise booking your FKK-wife for a one hour session early in her shift then continuing to shadow her for the remainder of her shift. That might hurt her business and be a turn-off to her other customers (similar to thugs loitering outside a business). Personally, if I am speaking to a WG on the couch, and another monger is staring at us, I am not phased. As long as he doesn't try to follow us into the room.
I know one American monger who makes 2-4 trips a year. He will encounter a rare stunner he has never seen before. He will wait around all day for an opportunity to speak to her. She may say "I have two appointments but you can be on the waiting list". Throughout the day he might casually check in on his target WG for a status update. He is fine with waiting eight hours for an eventual session with his stunner. And then he will end up doing a two hour session. But after he gets his session with her, he stops caring about where she is, other than maybe asking her a quick question like "Will you work tomorrow? So as you said, he steps to her multiple times.
But when the guys accepts that the girl orders him not to go with another girl, is it still SIMP or more something like cuckolding? Especially when the girl fucks non stop during her shift and when the guy sneaks in the club when the girl is on vacation to fuck some other chick? It's a little bit like candaulism. I saw on some candaulist forum that the most obedient male slaves wear a chastity cage on their willy and are punished when they have a hard on. Maybe some girls could do the same with their SIMP.Learned a new word, haha.
BigBuddy69
01-10-21, 19:12
Well some years ago, I met a candaulist pair and the woman was really interested by the size of my tool (a real thick French snake, not a fantasized one). First time we met, I fucked the woman in the ass and came in her mouth. Second time, the dude asked me if he could lick my shoes while I was banging his wife. So basically, I'm not so astonished when I see a guy playing the money slave in a club. I just find it rather creepy.
https://greatestsportingnation.com/content/norway-crowned-world%E2%80%99s-sportiest-nation-2020
With 490 points in global cup for men, we beat USA and France at a tie for 2nd place at 471 points each.
With 5.3 m people. And USA with 328.2 m people. Making us about 62 times better at sports.
P.S. I consider fucking and sexersice a sport.
Super humans.
ExpatLover
01-11-21, 06:58
https://greatestsportingnation.com/content/norway-crowned-world%E2%80%99s-sportiest-nation-2020
With 490 points in global cup for men, we beat USA and France at a tie for 2nd place at 471 points each.
With 5.3 m people. And USA with 328.2 m people. Making us about 62 times better at sports.
P.S. I consider fucking and sexersice a sport.
Super humans.It doesn't mean that the normal citizen are doing sport just have a look how many overweight people are today in the US.
All the girls I know will go to the shower place after the room, so easy to stop them and ask, why are you making the things so complicated? You have to be flexible and proactive to adapt to each girl and situation, it seems it is difficult for you when the things are not planned in advance.There are two things I never do in any P4P establishment. Firstly, I never talk to a girl for a long period of time before I go to the room with her. When I want sex I will make small talk for only a few minutes then its off to the room. I will occasionally talk to a girl for a long time but that is after I have nutted and already told the girl that I will not soon be going to the room and likely not with her.
Secondly, I have never in all my 48 odd years of mongering gone with a girl right after she has banged a monger. I know it does not make sense but it is in my DNA. I have probably missed going with hotties thousands of time because of this. I just cannot do it. Now I say it does not make sense cause lets say I just entered the club and the girl may have just been with a dude but I do not know that, I will go with her. But for the life of me I cannot go with a girl soon after seeing her exit the room with a monger even after she has taken a shower.
There are two things I never do in any P4P establishment. Firstly, I never talk to a girl for a long period of time before I go to the room with her. When I want sex I will make small talk for only a few minutes then its off to the room. I will occasionally talk to a girl for a long time but that is after I have nutted and already told the girl that I will not soon be going to the room and likely not with her.
Secondly, I have never in all my 48 odd years of mongering gone with a girl right after she has banged a monger. I know it does not make sense but it is in my DNA. I have probably missed going with hotties thousands of time because of this. I just cannot do it. Now I say it does not make sense cause lets say I just entered the club and the girl may have just been with a dude but I do not know that, I will go with her. But for the life of me I cannot go with a girl soon after seeing her exit the room with a monger even after she has taken a shower.I totally agree with the first part here, and I suspect anyone who knows a bit about how FKKs and the mentality works there would agree. Especially in regards to how to avoid certain types of nagging, and in avoiding certain questions. Besides, fuck first, get to know them later is in our male DNA from the beginning of time too!
But the second part I totally disagree on. Given how so many guys are unable to satisfy these FKK girls, I am happy to jump in at the end and push her / them over the edge. But it depends on the girl too of course. Some smokers always need their smoke break for example, and even though I hate smokers, I do sometimes give them time to finish that smoke first, even if that also means that God forbid I have to small talk to her for 5 minutes before the room. And that is perhaps the biggest reason why I hate smokers. Even more so than the smoke itself!
Each to their own but to me I like licking pu*sy. But I also do not like when it is smells like rotten fish which sometimes you get it when they are around their period.
Does anyone here not like licking delicious pu*sy?
Each to their own but to me I like licking pu*sy. But I also do not like when it is smells like rotten fish which sometimes you get it when they are around their period.
Does anyone here not like licking delicious pu*sy?I like licking also but if there is any smell whatsoever I don't. I remember way back in the 70's, 80's and 90's on 42nd street in NYC in the sex centers you entered a booth, put in a token, the window barrier went up, gave a girl a buck and she positioned her ass through the open window and you sucked to your heart's delight. Some girls sprayed a special aroma in that part of their body. I wished hookers today did that.
Is there anyway to get rid of the Strip Chat pop-up? It's driving me absolutely insane, and I've had enough of it! Somebody please make it stop! It's not like it's convincing anybody to even consider using it. I close it immediately as soon as it comes up. Please stop!
I like licking also but if there is any smell whatsoever I don't. I remember way back in the 70's, 80's and 90's on 42nd street in NYC in the sex centers you entered a booth, put in a token, the window barrier went up, gave a girl a buck and she positioned her ass through the open window and you sucked to your heart's delight. Some girls sprayed a special aroma in that part of their body. I wished hookers today did that.Some girls don't wash after toilets, more among Germans than Romanians, had 3 at Bruggen, why I wondered if because of lack of private shower for girls there. About smell, I clean them with paper, pampers like with baby as I tell them, for a bit of humour, usually they look and laugh, same after orgasm on DATY. For bitter taste, I start around to make them wet, because their juice make no more urine taste. For taste, dark skin and red head very white skin are usually bitter, for others, some are salty, some sticky milky, some sweet, some make honey, some squirt. Girls say we are all different, but girls are also different. Like when you desire your woman in real life, you won't tell her: go to shower, you smell dirty, I want to taste soap, also interesting is natural taste, even I didn't believe her but she said truth at World on her returning day on end of April 2015 and I really enjoyed her natural taste, for her woman part, my best room with her. When you love women, not just meat to fill, then interesting game. Some girls also needing to go fast to toilets after orgasm, maybe to go to kiss another guy after sucking you, and some are surprised to get period earlier, what a Hanibal Lecter game with Domenika at Bruggen, screaming when seeing her blood on my face, no bad taste, no problem for me, when used in real life. I didn't stop to desire or sex every month. Just natural, what interest me: woman reactions, for behavior, for care for themselves and of course for sex.
Is there anyway to get rid of the Strip Chat pop-up? It's driving me absolutely insane, and I've had enough of it! Somebody please make it stop! It's not like it's convincing anybody to even consider using it. I close it immediately as soon as it comes up. Please stop!At one point, being a paying member gave you the option to turn off advertisement banners when you were signed in. That benefit may also apply to your pop up advertisement problem.
It doesn't mean that the normal citizen are doing sport just have a look how many overweight people are today in the US.My conclusion is that there are about as many Norwegians living in USA as there are Norwegians living in Norway. Otherwise the gap would be substantially larger! So I agree!
https://greatestsportingnation.com/content/norway-crowned-world%E2%80%99s-sportiest-nation-2020
With 490 points in global cup for men, we beat USA and France at a tie for 2nd place at 471 points each.
With 5.3 m people. And USA with 328.2 m people. Making us about 62 times better at sports.
P.S. I consider fucking and sexersice a sport.
Super humans.Do you see many who look sporty in brothels? I see many drinking beer, which is not good for breathe.
At one point, being a paying member gave you the option to turn off advertisement banners when you were signed in. That benefit may also apply to your pop up advertisement problem.It is similar to saying at one point paying 50 euro in German FKK gave you BBBJ, DATY and fuck in various position for 30 min LOL! Before 2017 summer that is, now it is rare!
I like licking also but if there is any smell whatsoever I don't. I remember way back in the 70's, 80's and 90's on 42nd street in NYC in the sex centers you entered a booth, put in a token, the window barrier went up, gave a girl a buck and she positioned her ass through the open window and you sucked to your heart's delight. Some girls sprayed a special aroma in that part of their body. I wished hookers today did that.
OMG. I wish it was pus*y, not arse or butthole for a few bucks. If that option is available in FKK or any venue in Germany, I will be taking that option. Forgot to mention previously, I also do not like if there is a smell of urine around that pus*y.
Imagine you could taste / lick variety of delicious meats for the whole day, LOL.
COVID-19 make me angry to those who have prevented us of enjoy the live we use to enjoy. Remember the origin of this COVID-19 virus is in China and the people and Chinese government never learn to prevent that to happen again. They keep eating bats, dogs, rats, Lizard, tiggers, etc.
Wish all of this would end soon and FKK, RLDs, GD Parties, partytreffs open and business run as usual.
OMG. I wish it was pus*y, not arse or butthole for a few bucks. If that option is available in FKK or any venue in Germany, I will be taking that option. Forgot to mention previously, I also do not like if there is a smell of urine around that pus*y.
Imagine you could taste / lick variety of delicious meats for the whole day, LOL.
...The girls pushed their entire derriere through the window so that you could easily lick their pussies and ass if you wish. I used to do both. Sometimes 10 + girls a day for $1 each and a quarter for the token. There was a rotation where the girls went into private booths where you could talk to them and arrange for sex at a chosen venue. Those girls were FKK quality not the fattie hookers you have today. P4P wise you had that choice or go to a brothel or pick up a street walker. The best of times.
The girls pushed their entire derriere through the window so that you could easily lick their pussies and ass if you wish. I used to do both. Sometimes 10 + girls a day for $1 each and a quarter for the token. There was a rotation where the girls went into private booths where you could talk to them and arrange for sex at a chosen venue. Those girls were FKK quality not the fattie hookers you have today. P4P wise you had that choice or go to a brothel or pick up a street walker. The best of times.There was a place on the 2nd floor just "north and west" of Times Square itself. You paid your token, the window opened and not only could you pick a girl sometimes, but you could look in and see the other mongers in action. Like performing in front of a live porno film. Over the walls above every area were signs by the NY Police (and giant police shield Logos) that any oral contact was illegal and right under that sign some girl could have a guys hair pulled back and her toes shoved down the back of his throat. Or her pussy basically suffocating him. OH THOSE WERE GOOD DAYS TURGID.
There was a place on the 2nd floor just "north and west" of Times Square itself. You paid your token, the window opened and not only could you pick a girl sometimes, but you could look in and see the other mongers in action. Like performing in front of a live porno film. Over the walls above every area were signs by the NY Police (and giant police shield Logos) that any oral contact was illegal and right under that sign some girl could have a guys hair pulled back and her toes shoved down the back of his throat. Or her pussy basically suffocating him. OH THOSE WERE GOOD DAYS TURGID.Tintin there were many such places in and around Times Square. My favorite was the biggest one, Show-World Center, Inc. , which occupied the basement, the street level, and second floor of a building located on the corner of 8th Avenue and 42nd Street. There were numerous peep shows and some theaters with live lesbian and other sex shows in that establishment. In that place there were also three stages which were each surrounded by numerous booths, each booth having a window which opened when you placed a token. When the window opened you saw numerous naked women on the stage. You also got to see all the guys peering through their respective windows. The stage was brightly lit and you pointed your dollar to the girl you wanted to enjoy for the next minute or so. She took the dollar and projected her buns through the window and you 'enjoyed' her. There was a permanent smell of cum in the place as many blokes had left momentos of their encounters in the booths. There were those ¨lucky¨ gents with buckets and mops cleaning each booth after its use but the smell never left.
I always fantasied about opening up an establishment with blow job booths thinking that if the girls can get their nethers cleaned why can't guys? I never did see those signs you mentioned about oral being illegal. I suppose that was why BJ booths never happened as I'm sure many of the entrepreneurs of the day would have thought of that as well. Could you imagine the amount of money that would made?
Tintin there were many such places in and around Times Square. My favorite was the biggest one, Show-World Center, Inc. , which occupied the basement, the street level, and second floor of a building located on the corner of 8th Avenue and 42nd Street.
I always fantasied about opening up an establishment with blow job booths thinking that if the girls can get their nethers cleaned why can't guys? I never did see those signs you mentioned about oral being illegal. I suppose that was why BJ booths never happened as I'm sure many of the entrepreneurs of the day would have thought of that as well. Could you imagine the amount of money that would made?Yeah. I been to that one. And a few others. Oh yeah the signs were huge.
As to your business model. We should go into business together! Just move it somewhere it's legal! We can take turns switching roles between Chief Accountant and Quality Control Supervisor.
PS. I also liked the strip clubs There was one midtown that used to have some great dark back corners - ahh. The golden days
Yeah. I been to that one. And a few others. Oh yeah the signs were huge.
As to your business model. We should go into business together! Just move it somewhere it's legal! We can take turns switching roles between Chief Accountant and Quality Control Supervisor.
PS. I also liked the strip clubs There was one midtown that used to have some great dark back corners - ahh. The golden daysWhat about the theatres around Times Square that offered live sex shows. I remember going to one that offered shows during lunch break that was filled with stockbroker and banker types. It was packed to capacity. The show was this big black man and this petite white girl. Every single one of the spectators were white businessmen. Try as they may the black guy could not get it up. Blow job, DATY, nothing worked. I felt bad for him. Not a peep from the audience. Very quiet. After the due time everyone exited quietly. Very civilized indeed. Strip clubs were located all over NYC. Drinks prices were high. Girls loved Brandy Alexander back then. As Tintin alluded lots of hanky panky took place in the recesses of the strip clubs. If only I had the financial resources then as I do now!
What about the theatres around Times Square that offered live sex shows. If only I had the financial resources then as I do now!Woulda shoulda coulda. I say the same thing about my first marriage. If only.
The sad thing is that the money I spent in Strip Clubs before I discovered the ease in booking an escort, and got my references, well.... As my friend says: "I paid a lot of college expenses and car loans for these girls." Still there were a few cities in North America where the strip club rules were pretty loose. Toronto was good, Vancouver not so much so. I guess if I was back in grad school, I could do my MBA paper on the strip club, sex business formula. Are strip clubs more expensive with less frills when escorts are more readily available. By the way, I don't know if there are any cities left in the US where you can see sex live on stage.
From NY sex clubs, I luckily moved on to NY small "houses". There were a few "permanent" apartments on the West Side, where there would be two or three girls working so you had a pretty good chance of always finding someone even last minute. Not AMPS, but small time businesses You couldn't just show up; you had to have an appointment but at least if you were a regular, you could text and be told which girl might be on. THere was a pretty good website/online forum in NYC at the time where various 'people' would post who was on the schedule for the week at which location.
Mongerer88
01-15-21, 23:00
Woulda shoulda coulda. I say the same thing about my first marriage. If only.
The very funny thing is that the money I spent in Strip Clubs before I discovered the ease in booking an escort, and got my references, well. As my friend says, I paid a lot of college expenses and car loans for these girls. Still there are a few cities in North America where the strip club rules were pretty loose. Toronto was good, Vancouver not so much so. I guess if I was back in college, I could do my MFA paper on the strip club, sex club formula. Are strip clubs more expensive with less frills when escorts are more readily available. By the way, I don't know if there are any cities left in the US where you can see sex live on stage.
From NY sex clubs, I luckily moved on to NY small "houses". There were a few "permanent" apartments on the West Side, where there would be two or three girls working so you have a pretty good chance of always finding someone even last minute. Not AMPS, but a small time business. You could not just show up, you had to have an appointment but at least if you were a regular, you could text and be told which girl might be on. THere was a pretty good website in NYC at the time where they would post who was on the schedule for the week.The old days were fun, but we can't control the changes that Giuliani and Bloomberg brought, and thanks to the Internet, the old proverb that when one door closes, another one opens, holds true.
I was at the old Kinematics BDSM video / toy superstore once, and very pretty girl came up to me when I was selecting videos (this was before everything on video was available on the Internet) and she introduced herself as a spanking video performer who was there for a signing and asked if I could hang out through lunch because she was taking live spankings from anyone there for a "small" fee. Cute girl, and lots of fun.
That place is closed now. I didn't know, and I was walking through the construction site with a horrified look on my face and one of the construction guys had to come and tell me the all the previous occupants were gone and it was being rezoned. It survived the "purification" of the Times Square area longer than most. I think it was on 37th Street.
Another great memory was a little brothel on Water Street. It had curtains to keep the customers from seeing each other in the lobby and hallway to the two or three bedrooms. It was right off of Wall Street. I had an appointment with a highly-reviewed Ukrainian lady, but she was running late, and in-session. I told them I would wait. I ended up watching TV in the lobby with a chunky Puerto Rican lady who was trying to get me to do the session with her. Thank God I waited because the Ukrainian lady was a dream come true. She had just started college and was beautiful and a great fuck.
But now that the scene has shifted online, a new world exists. You can exchange twitter DMs and emails / texts with a lot of potential ladies. I twitter DM'ed a lady who was a follower of another lady I had done many sessions with. I loved this lady's pics on twitter, and even though she only appeared to do video stuff, I was able to get a live session with her, and it was fantastic. The reference was easy since she was friends with someone I had previously seen. And in the correspondence phase, I had lots of fun conversations with her, and she sent me some great pictures.
And without question, the Sugar Baby scene brings a guy into contact with a multitude of women he would never have otherwise met. The "scene" in NYC has changed drastically over the decades, but it still exists. I know the FKK thread is obviously filled with guys who prefer a club atmosphere, and I am not trying to argue that anything else is more fun, but as I have said many times, one advantage to the escort and Sugar scene is that Giuliani, Bloomberg, and the Coronavirus can't shut it down as easily. Not sure which one is worse, by the way, Giuliani, Bloomberg, or the Corona Virus. None of the three are friends to the commercial sex industry.
The old days were fun, but we can't control the changes that Giuliani and Bloomberg brought, and thanks to the Internet, the old proverb that when one door closes, another one opens, holds true.
I was at the old Kinematics BDSM video / toy superstore once, and very pretty girl came up to me when I was selecting videos (this was before everything on video was available on the Internet) and she introduced herself as a spanking video performer who was there for a signing and asked if I could hang out through lunch because she was taking live spankings from anyone there for a "small" fee. Cute girl, and lots of fun.
That place is closed now. I didn't know, and I was walking through the construction site with a horrified look on my face and one of the construction guys had to come and tell me the all the previous occupants were gone and it was being rezoned. It survived the "purification" of the Times Square area longer than most. I think it was on 37th Street.All one got to do is fly over to legal fun territories!
Woulda shoulda coulda. I say the same thing about my first marriage. If only.
The sad thing is that the money I spent in Strip Clubs before I discovered the ease in booking an escort, and got my references, well.... As my friend says: "I paid a lot of college expenses and car loans for these girls." Still there were a few cities in North America where the strip club rules were pretty loose. Toronto was good, Vancouver not so much so. I guess if I was back in grad school, I could do my MBA paper on the strip club, sex business formula. Are strip clubs more expensive with less frills when escorts are more readily available. By the way, I don't know if there are any cities left in the US where you can see sex live on stage.
From NY sex clubs, I luckily moved on to NY small "houses". There were a few "permanent" apartments on the West Side, where there would be two or three girls working so you had a pretty good chance of always finding someone even last minute. Not AMPS, but small time businesses You couldn't just show up; you had to have an appointment but at least if you were a regular, you could text and be told which girl might be on. THere was a pretty good website/online forum in NYC at the time where various 'people' would post who was on the schedule for the week at which location.I do not regret every euro I spent in German FKK, it was priceless experience and I appreciate every minutes of the time I spent in FKK!
The old days were fun, but we can't control the changes that Giuliani and Bloomberg brought, and thanks to the Internet, the old proverb that when one door closes, another one opens, holds true.Didn't know so many New Yorkers in here LOL! Yea I'm too young for the good old days. From the stories I hear from my older co-workers, I missed out on a lot. But all prices are inflated these day anyways. Even if the scene is more alive, I'd still rather hop on a plane to Germany than paying these US prices.
Even "Wall Street Pay" has not kept up with inflation. The average bank employee back even in the 90's got steak and pussy for their lunch break. These days we all sit at our desks like good little workers and enjoy the free company lunch.
The scene in NYC would've naturally died out even without Giuliani or Bloomberg. The Fed keeps on printing, the girls increase prices, and customers gradually priced out.
The old days were fun, but we can't control the changes that Giuliani and Bloomberg brought, and thanks to the Internet, the old proverb that when one door closes, another one opens, holds true.
I was at the old Kinematics BDSM video / toy superstore once, and very pretty girl came up to me when I was selecting videos (this was before everything on video was available on the Internet) and she introduced herself as a spanking video performer who was there for a signing and asked if I could hang out through lunch because she was taking live spankings from anyone there for a "small" fee. Cute girl, and lots of fun.
That place is closed now. I didn't know, and I was walking through the construction site with a horrified look on my face and one of the construction guys had to come and tell me the all the previous occupants were gone and it was being rezoned. It survived the "purification" of the Times Square area longer than most. I think it was on 37th Street.
Another great memory was a little brothel on Water Street. It had curtains to keep the customers from seeing each other in the lobby and hallway to the two or three bedrooms. It was right off of Wall Street. I had an appointment with a highly-reviewed Ukrainian lady, but she was running late, and in-session. I told them I would wait. I ended up watching TV in the lobby with a chunky Puerto Rican lady who was trying to get me to do the session with her. Thank God I waited because the Ukrainian lady was a dream come true. She had just started college and was beautiful and a great fuck.
But now that the scene has shifted online, a new world exists. You can exchange twitter DMs and emails / texts with a lot of potential ladies. I twitter DM'ed a lady who was a follower of another lady I had done many sessions with. I loved this lady's pics on twitter, and even though she only appeared to do video stuff, I was able to get a live session with her, and it was fantastic. The reference was easy since she was friends with someone I had previously seen. And in the correspondence phase, I had lots of fun conversations with her, and she sent me some great pictures.
And without question, the Sugar Baby scene brings a guy into contact with a multitude of women he would never have otherwise met. The "scene" in NYC has changed drastically over the decades, but it still exists. I know the FKK thread is obviously filled with guys who prefer a club atmosphere, and I am not trying to argue that anything else is more fun, but as I have said many times, one advantage to the escort and Sugar scene is that Giuliani, Bloomberg, and the Coronavirus can't shut it down as easily. Not sure which one is worse, by the way, Giuliani, Bloomberg, or the Corona Virus. None of the three are friends to the commercial sex industry.The difference between the NYC scene then and now is money. Back in the day a twenty-something year old (which I was) could have a lot of fun. Now in order to get the same enjoyment you must have deep pockets. I feel sorry for the average guys in their 20's and 30's who share our tastes, they must be relegated to pornhub. The sugar baby scene is not for me, too expensive and time consuming. I partake in the escort arena. The girls are not as nice as FKK babes but doable.
The difference between the NYC scene then and now is money. Back in the day a twenty-something year old (which I was) could have a lot of fun. Now in order to get the same enjoyment you must have deep pockets. I feel sorry for the average guys in their 20's and 30's who share our tastes, they must be relegated to pornhub. The sugar baby scene is not for me, too expensive and time consuming. I partake in the escort arena. The girls are not as nice as FKK babes but doable.Exactly! My parents had a combine dual income in the 80's to about 40% what I make alone today, and they were able to buy 3 houses and an apartment in good areas. Even if I watched only Pornhub and not spend a single dollar on FKK pussy, I could not even afford the rental apartment my parents bought in NYC in 1997.
That's why for me I rather rent (before covid) and spend my money on FKK experiences. This last year has been my single best year for accumulating wealth, hopefully in a year or 2 I can retire in Germany or somewhere in Eastern Europe!
Mongerer88
01-16-21, 19:00
Didn't know so many New Yorkers in here LOL! Yea I'm too young for the good old days. From the stories I hear from my older co-workers, I missed out on a lot. But all prices are inflated these day anyways. Even if the scene is more alive, I'd still rather hop on a plane to Germany than paying these US prices.
Even "Wall Street Pay" has not kept up with inflation. The average bank employee back even in the 90's got steak and pussy for their lunch break. These days we all sit at our desks like good little workers and enjoy the free company lunch.
The scene in NYC would've naturally died out even without Giuliani or Bloomberg. The Fed keeps on printing, the girls increase prices, and customers gradually priced out.I disagree about the politicians. They zoned out the efficiencies of a fixed location where multiple ladies saw multiple guys. One of the practical costs to escorting is the fact an outcall escort has a lot of travel time, and incall escorts have to be damn careful to not get too much foot traffic. They will rightfully get on the ass of a customer, too. Like, dude, don't stand in front of the building door for 10 minutes waiting for me to answer and buzz you in. Neighbors notice that shit. Learn how to be cool and hang back. But in fairness to escorts, they have to find a way to charge for that inefficient time.
But there are real economic issues at play in the USA I think there are fewer young, female immigrants today. That really hot Ukrainian was $300-$350 ten to fifteen years ago. She would be $550-$600 today. But she might not now be in NYC at all.
There was a full-service massage parlor right by the Hilton in San Francisco over 20 years ago, that is another example of the government forcing the visible sex industry out of existence. People used to just call it the Hilton Massage Place. It had a ton of young Asian ladies who sat in the lobby in hot undies, who worked for very reasonable prices compared to today's escort prices. I am just not sure if there are as many Asian immigrants as there once was, either in NYC or SF. I don't think the USA Lets as many in, and I don't think the USA Has as much appeal to them.
In addition to fewer immigrants, there may not be as many 18-29 year old native-born hotties in the USA As there was decades ago. The aging and fattening of America has an effect. And in fairness, there may be more opportunities outside of the commercial sex industry for young women than there once was. And the increased economic inequality may be allowing the most privileged to take up more of the supply in this environment where the meetings are now primarily initiated online.
And international travel is in fact a door that has opened as a result of the closing of doors in the USA Instead of paying $550-$600 for what was $250-$350 a couple of decades ago, many northeast guys take the well-travelled road to Montreal where on a currency-adjusted basis, top-notch experiences are available for $200-$300, or certainly take flights to Europe. Hopefully that door opens again, and stays open. But your older co-workers can tell you that flying to Europe used to be damn expensive back in the days when USA Commercial sex was cheap. You can't take anything for granted, because change is certain and the only thing that is constant is change.
But there are real economic issues at play in the USA I think there are fewer young, female immigrants today. That really hot Ukrainian was $300-$350 ten to fifteen years ago. She would be $550-$600 today. But she might not now be in NYC at all.Yea it's hard to pay $600 for just 1 girl, when you can find deals to fly to Germany from NYC for $650 round trip. If I book any 2 FKK girls for 1 hour each, I already break even with hotel and flight included LOL!
Didn't know so many New Yorkers in here LOL! Yea I'm too young for the good old days. From the stories I hear from my older co-workers, I missed out on a lot. But all prices are inflated these day anyways. Even if the scene is more alive, I'd still rather hop on a plane to Germany than paying these US prices.
Even "Wall Street Pay" has not kept up with inflation. The average bank employee back even in the 90's got steak and pussy for their lunch break. These days we all sit at our desks like good little workers and enjoy the free company lunch.
The scene in NYC would've naturally died out even without Giuliani or Bloomberg. The Fed keeps on printing, the girls increase prices, and customers gradually priced out.FKK is better!
I disagree about the politicians. They zoned out the efficiencies of a fixed location where multiple ladies saw multiple guys. One of the practical costs to escorting is the fact an outcall escort has a lot of travel time, and incall escorts have to be damn careful to not get too much foot traffic. They will rightfully get on the ass of a customer, too. Like, dude, don't stand in front of the building door for 10 minutes waiting for me to answer and buzz you in. Neighbors notice that shit. Learn how to be cool and hang back. But in fairness to escorts, they have to find a way to charge for that inefficient time.
But there are real economic issues at play in the USA I think there are fewer young, female immigrants today. That really hot Ukrainian was $300-$350 ten to fifteen years ago. She would be $550-$600 today. But she might not now be in NYC at all.
There was a full-service massage parlor right by the Hilton in San Francisco over 20 years ago, that is another example of the government forcing the visible sex industry out of existence. People used to just call it the Hilton Massage Place. It had a ton of young Asian ladies who sat in the lobby in hot undies, who worked for very reasonable prices compared to today's escort prices. I am just not sure if there are as many Asian immigrants as there once was, either in NYC or SF. I don't think the USA Lets as many in, and I don't think the USA Has as much appeal to them.
In addition to fewer immigrants, there may not be as many 18-29 year old native-born hotties in the USA As there was decades ago. The aging and fattening of America has an effect. And in fairness, there may be more opportunities outside of the commercial sex industry for young women than there once was. And the increased economic inequality may be allowing the most privileged to take up more of the supply in this environment where the meetings are now primarily initiated online.
And international travel is in fact a door that has opened as a result of the closing of doors in the USA Instead of paying $550-$600 for what was $250-$350 a couple of decades ago, many northeast guys take the well-travelled road to Montreal where on a currency-adjusted basis, top-notch experiences are available for $200-$300, or certainly take flights to Europe. Hopefully that door opens again, and stays open. But your older co-workers can tell you that flying to Europe used to be damn expensive back in the days when USA Commercial sex was cheap. You can't take anything for granted, because change is certain and the only thing that is constant is change.With the vicissitudes of salaries for ordinary workers today the prices for p4p in the US has not budged downwards. During this pandemic period the best that has happened is that the charges by escorts remain the same. If a pandemic cannot bring down the costs of our favorite hobby nothing will.
That's why for me I rather rent (before covid) and spend my money on FKK experiences. This last year has been my single best year for accumulating wealth, hopefully in a year or 2 I can retire in Germany or somewhere in Eastern Europe!Sounds like a nice plan. NYC here as well, born and raised and made a TON of paper gains on mostly TSLA as well. I'm curious as to your dream / retire plans? Maybe PM me if it's better for you.
Sounds like a nice plan. NYC here as well, born and raised and made a TON of paper gains on mostly TSLA as well. I'm curious as to your dream / retire plans? Maybe PM me if it's better for you.No plans yet. Need current growth to continue for another year or 2 for me to feel confident to retire on just high yield dividends. Probably will do a world tour first for all the high profile mongering areas like Colombia and Thailand. Then maybe look around eastern EU countries (maybe even Russia) see what the pro scene is like.
I'll need to see how much money I saved up by the end of the lockdown to hammer out some plans. At this rate, the longer the lockdown the better for me at the moment!
When I am on the road with my one week or once 10 to 14 days consecutive FKK trip. I always felt this sense of freedom that I really liked, wake up, eat hotel breakfast or go to near cafe to eat nice breakfast with good cappuccino thinking about what amazing sex I had with new stunner night before and think about what kind of stunner I am about to meet and fuck today. Walk around, eating good lunch somewhere nice in town, make my way to FKK via train looking through the scenery outside my train window! If summer enjoying smell of German grass as some FKK are in outskirt of the city! Whatta good days and good life I had as a monger!
If I did not make a good decision of turning into monger, I would have never had such an amazing freedom feeling experience!
Sex is amazing in FKK, but I also enjoyed other part of the trip too!
Yea it's hard to pay $600 for just 1 girl, when you can find deals to fly to Germany from NYC for $650 round trip. If I book any 2 FKK girls for 1 hour each, I already break even with hotel and flight included LOL!Crazy thing about FKK is that ugly girls cost you same as amazingly stunner level beautiful girls LOL!
Crazy thing about FKK is that ugly girls cost you same as amazingly stunner level beautiful girls LOL!It's not crazy. It's perfect because I don't have to haggle.
On the other hand I wonder what's in it for the stunners? I guess they will be more in demand due to this but why wouldn't they limit their availability if they can get the best customers? The business model benefits those girls that best can sell an illusion to customers and earn money through longer blocks.
It's not crazy. It's perfect because I don't have to haggle.
On the other hand I wonder what's in it for the stunners? I guess they will be more in demand due to this but why wouldn't they limit their availability if they can get the best customers? The business model benefits those girls that best can sell an illusion to customers and earn money through longer blocks.I agree, that is what I meant by crazy, for stunner, I asked before why not they just focus on escort, they told me they are more free in FKK and can choose clients and also they told me that they often make more money at FKK apparently and they also do escort on the side and often they do private escort with regular that they met in FKK!
But FKK is only place I know ugly and beauty cost the same LOL! Woman equality is in FKK! Tell this to feminist LOL It does not get equal than this as I really do discriminate ugly girls LOL!
On the other hand I wonder what's in it for the stunners?Not all mongers agree on who is a stunner. Out of all the popular stunners mention on this forum, I only found 4 girls I agree with the consensus. Maybe a couple more I'm not remembering but not much.
Not all mongers agree on who is a stunner. Out of all the popular stunners mention on this forum, I only found 4 girls I agree with the consensus. Maybe a couple more I'm not remembering but not much.It is widely accepted that I have the best of best supreme of supreme taste on this planet or even galaxy LOL!
No, just kidding, but my taste is pretty much vogue or any legit fashion magazine to most beautiful girl in college type!
However, I have seen mongers ignoring those stunners above and going for older more fat tattoo silicone women in FKK LOL! Tastes and preferences are strange thing!
Model body with average face are not beauty for me and German also don't mean beauty, getting usually flat or fat ass, when I like Romanian round ass. Also better care for body, nails and hygiene for Romanians.
Model body with average face are not beauty for me and German also don't mean beauty, getting usually flat or fat ass, when I like Romanian round ass. Also better care for body, nails and hygiene for Romanians.German Lena in Sharks in 2016 was beautiful.
German Lena in Sharks in 2016 was beautiful.I had some German beauties like Sofia ex Artemis at Globe on this Summer, and Joana from Hanover at Globe before, also Bambi with Swedish face and Linda from Frankfurt with prettier face than the one at Globe, at Harmony, Kyra at Atmos, Rose at Bruggen, real model Leana from Berlin at Palace, far prettier than tattooed Kylie, but my meaning is being German don't mean to be a beauty nor high level in bed. At Bruggen where German girls, but I don't pay for most of looks. So many tattooed, silicon Germans. I enjoyed German Tabea just arrived at Sharks on 14 March 2020, being her first client, showing her about Sharks for 100/60. German qualitat is for Audi and not always, but not for brothels.
I had some German beauties like Sofia ex Artemis at Globe on this Summer, and Joana from Hanover at Globe before, also Bambi with Swedish face and Linda from Frankfurt with prettier face than the one at Globe, at Harmony, Kyra at Atmos, Rose at Bruggen, real model Leana from Berlin at Palace, far prettier than tattooed Kylie, but my meaning is being German don't mean to be a beauty nor high level in bed. At Bruggen where German girls, but I don't pay for most of looks. So many tattooed, silicon Germans. I enjoyed German Tabea just arrived at Sharks on 14 March 2020, being her first client, showing her about Sharks for 100/60. German qualitat is for Audi and not always, but not for brothels.She would never have forgiven me, quite jealous, my best German being 1,77 bare feet, with pretty face, wow in bed and on my stamina level, Elena at YY.
You know, tastes evolve with time. I remember a guy who was totally obsessed with the small German blonde girls of GT, so obsessed that he was overpaying them, dreaming that he was special to their eyes and so on. He even gave them some lovesick puppy nicknames.
Then he met a Romanian girl in another club, became mesmerized with her and since this moment he constantly talks shit about his former German flames and has developed some kind of creepy fetish towards Romanian girls, especially the ones who are taller than him (quite a lot actually).Was there any loss of money? Like paying them 10-15 K Euros? That would be a reason a monger would be so angry.
ExpatLover
01-20-21, 07:32
I agree, that is what I meant by crazy, for stunner, I asked before why not they just focus on escort, they told me they are more free in FKK and can choose clients and also they told me that they often make more money at FKK apparently and they also do escort on the side and often they do private escort with regular that they met in FKK!
But FKK is only place I know ugly and beauty cost the same LOL! Woman equality is in FKK! Tell this to feminist LOL It does not get equal than this as I really do discriminate ugly girls LOL!I have done a lot of escorting Germany, to work in a good escort agency the girls must speak perfectly German (99% of the FKK girls can t) second you must be educated also a weak point for a lot of FKK girls. If the girls use ladies. De or Kaufmich they need to have the same talents but also having the capacity to select the customers (what the escort agency do), to be well business oriented, to summarize the private escorts I met in Germany are usually talented woman not willing to get fucked 10 or more times in a FKK per day, that is for sure.
Was there any loss of money? Like paying them 10-15 K Euros? That would be a reason a monger would be so angry.Overpaying was 100 for 1 hour at GT on end of 2013 and 2014 with German Rachel or elegant tall brunette Sam half Turkish half German. Both were honest, we could go for only 30 mn for only 30, but I preferred to enjoy for 1 hour and they didn't work for 75/30, but you could have oldies and less pretty for this rate, but I only go with the prettiest and most elegant. Beauties for 100 are less expensive for me than girls looking like nothing for 75, but most of jealous don t feel on their level with beauties, they prefer to just play grocery. At this time, Bab with less pretty girls was already 100/60 , PHG also and Aida became GT superstar when coming from PHG. But on the other hand, had Russian Katea for 350 for more than 4 hours of sex marathon, no party, no gossiping, only 1 less than 5 mn break to take a drink and go to toilets, and rounds of sex for more than 4 hours on July 2016 at Samya, without viagra, but just passion, my sporty level and stamina, and amazing stamina and potential for her who became a GT superstar on 2019 , but lost charm for me before, when was still at Samya. My LR Eve was only for 100/60 for our around 75 hours on 7 months she worked, always coming to me first for real weekly facts when she was the busiest, no extra asked, no money asked for couch companionship but I was not into gossiping, when she asked for more expensive to some others, or for couch companionship. Queen of lies but no problem about money with her, we never played grocery. I remember when I decided to definitively stop with her because her behavior killed my desire, when she felt humiliated I stopped, when she was booked from Thursday afternoon to Sunday by only 1 guy, she threw me in face: he gives me more money for this booking than you ever gave me, but she delayed him to come to me first on Friday as always, but my desire had gone, and she also came again on next Friday but I refused her kiss. LR superstar twice refused when so many were waiting for her, and when she was my most interesting for sex, even not the best performer, but the most woman for sex, but not anymore for image which make my desire or not. When beauty is first quality for me, making my desire and then I can work to make girls improving for me, like I did with her when she was so low level in bed on our discovery, You are too big for my small pussy from a 1,73 beauty, and I also did hard work with Kate at Velbert for months. But other quality for me, after beauty, elegance which make charm, is when girls don t ask for extra they could ask, or offer time in room, summun of pleasure was a quite long time in business who worked in Czech Republic who forgot about 80 CHF for extended time at Amesia. Ch when she already gave back key to desk. I love this and I m very sure of one thing: most of girls prefer I repeat, my test being, after discovery, I don t run after or wait after others, they have to return to me, and real weekly facts are most return to repeat and I don t need to wait, which would kill my desire to take my ticket to wait for hours for a prostitute. I do only for discovery when the girl doesn't know yet how I treat women, but after she is free to decide, and real weekly facts talk. Versus even bigger money, even prostitutes, but some like to be valuated as woman, but who is able for this? Interesting game making saving money. My good standard being 100/60 only for sex, no party but sport and no gossiping waste of time, other guys don t excite me, but just to play with beauty and the prettiest and most elegant they are, the best they are for me. I can extend to 150/90 for really high level. On the other hand, at falling level Globe, my new standard is now 210 CHF = a bit less than 200 € for 45 mn and when Amesia ex Bumsalp is more chic for me, I like to play 170 CHF and get nearly 40 mn, girl not rushing, over 30 mn. Important for my mind to get about money offered by WGs, paying from my behavior and quite same game in any club, in Germany, Switzerland and Austria. I hate playing grocer, no money talk making feeling so much You buy a prostitute, so killing desire, and I hate upselling. I m poor sleeping in my small car used to clean German autobahns to grip limit I learned as soon I started with my mother Renault 5, will be revival new electric Renault 5 soon. Only real facts matter in brothels, versus bullshits for frustrated.
I have done a lot of escorting Germany, to work in a good escort agency the girls must speak perfectly German (99% of the FKK girls can t) second you must be educated also a weak point for a lot of FKK girls. If the girls use ladies. De or Kaufmich they need to have the same talents but also having the capacity to select the customers (what the escort agency do), to be well business oriented, to summarize the private escorts I met in Germany are usually talented woman not willing to get fucked 10 or more times in a FKK per day, that is for sure.I have done escorts in Switzerland, but not in Germany yet! However, met many girls in FKK who are escort and they even advertise their profile at their escort agency which they charge like 400 euro per hour or some even more! I mean why would I go with them at their escort agency if I can get them for 100 euro or max 150 euro per hour and they do everything? Yes, I may fuck them in comfort of my hotel room and I did take one FKK girl at my hotel once, but it was not my thing, it was good, but I prefer FKK because I get to see and fuck other girls too! And service is both in good standard! And I do a lot of things in bed!
So same everything, beside the price for me!
Having said that, I want to do full out side fuck without strange voyeur watching me and I only done half outside fuck in those half open tents in gt etc, so I may take a out door hotel of some kind like luxury private camping site or something and take escort girl to fuck all out side under bare sun bare naked LOL!
ExpatLover
01-21-21, 07:52
I have done escorts in Switzerland, but not in Germany yet! However, met many girls in FKK who are escort and they even advertise their profile at their escort agency which they charge like 400 euro per hour or some even more! I mean why would I go with them at their escort agency if I can get them for 100 euro or max 150 euro per hour and they do everything? Yes, I may fuck them in comfort of my hotel room and I did take one FKK girl at my hotel once, but it was not my thing, it was good, but I prefer FKK because I get to see and fuck other girls too! And service is both in good standard! And I do a lot of things in bed!
So same everything, beside the price for me!
Having said that, I want to do full out side fuck without strange voyeur watching me and I only done half outside fuck in those half open tents in gt etc, so I may take a out door hotel of some kind like luxury private camping site or something and take escort girl to fuck all out side under bare sun bare naked LOL!I have never done any escort in Switzerland, but in Germany in the good or VIP escort agencies the girls need to be fluent in German which is not the case for most of the girls I met in the FKK. I hate also being watched by some perverse guy when I am doing outdoor action, happen to me at World, and Oase.
I have done escorts in Switzerland, but not in Germany yet! However, met many girls in FKK who are escort and they even advertise their profile at their escort agency which they charge like 400 euro per hour or some even more! I mean why would I go with them at their escort agency if I can get them for 100 euro or max 150 euro per hour and they do everything? Yes, I may fuck them in comfort of my hotel room and I did take one FKK girl at my hotel once, but it was not my thing, it was good, but I prefer FKK because I get to see and fuck other girls too! And service is both in good standard! And I do a lot of things in bed!
So same everything, beside the price for me!
Having said that, I want to do full out side fuck without strange voyeur watching me and I only done half outside fuck in those half open tents in gt etc, so I may take a out door hotel of some kind like luxury private camping site or something and take escort girl to fuck all out side under bare sun bare naked LOL!Last year February I banged a girl from Latvia for E50/1/2 hour in Sharks.. When covid became critical in March and I was considering whether to stay in Germany or go home I asked her how much she would charge to come to my hotel room she said E500/1 hour.
BigBuddy69
01-21-21, 16:05
I hope you said no. Prices increase a lot because of the addicts who are so submissive to women that they can't say no and get manipulated by their love interests. Or they just have no self esteem.
I remember paying 75 euros / one hour with the really sexy German girl Olivia in golden time back in 2013. It was only my second visit here, during the social time I asked her her rate for 1 hour, she said that she charged 100 euros, I just replied 'sorry the normal price is 75' and we agreed on this price. When the hour was finished, she offered me to stay 30 minutes more for 25 euros. I said yes obviously.
Too bad that some guys are so desperate seeking attention from these girls that they say 'yes' to everything. Eventually they are treated as slaves and we all have to pay 100 now. I hope that, when the pandemic disappears, everyone will have the balls to stand for 50 euros /30 min which is already a good price especially with the economic crisis that is coming, but I fear that the spineless lovesick puppies will drive the price higher.
I asked her how much she would charge to come to my hotel room she said E500/1 hour.Sounds like a typical starting haggling price seen in regular third world markets where they expect you to bargain down. I'm sure you could have gotten her to easily half that price if you really wanted it, especially if was after multiple rooms in the club and safety was not a concern. Never actually did that myself, just my 2 cents.
ExpatLover
01-21-21, 18:48
Last year February I banged a girl from Latvia for E50/1/2 hour in Sharks.. When covid became critical in March and I was considering whether to stay in Germany or go home I asked her how much she would charge to come to my hotel room she said E500/1 hour.Hi Mister Turgid,
I was always thinking you are a serious man, sorry but not one FKK girl never asked me 500 per hour for escorting, usually the price for a full day goes from 500 to 1200 for the super stunner but I never spent more than 800. I think that you are a very ugly guy so the girl really charge you a lot for the hard job they will have to do, take it easy it is a joke.
From March 2013 to February 2014 , visited weekly GT when not on holidays, for Aida. Ro discovered at PHG who was full busy superstar from March to June before moving to Vertigo, then Berliner Liz weekly on July, then full busy superstar Rachel from September to February and sometimes Sam or Cora. De, but never with Olivia. A choices worth more expensive for me, when be choices are too expensive, most even not worthing to pay for. I would be happy to find many beauties like mine on this time, even I increased my standards, for 100/60 . Rachel who was very honest when I went with her, became one of the 10 German girls kicked off GT on 2015 , all became upselling specialists, with also silicon Samia. Ro. I let grocery to others, when I drive 1000 kms, I m not a tramp grocer to save 25 , grocery talk is just killing desire for me, I prefer pleasure with prettiest, I let average looks for others.
I have never done any escort in Switzerland, but in Germany in the good or VIP escort agencies the girls need to be fluent in German which is not the case for most of the girls I met in the FKK. I hate also being watched by some perverse guy when I am doing outdoor action, happen to me at World, and Oase.Yeah, once in Artemis, a girl and I took only room that was available which is by cinema down stairs, the room with just red velvet curtain, and we were having very amazing deep GFE session, you know so into it in sweet way, then suddenly her face change to evil look and began shouting something in German LOL! I was like what happened and she said, there was some freak guy watching us between the curtain LOL! So voyeur do exist!! It is not my thing to watch or to be watched!
However, I have walked into other peoples session in many FKK, I am guilty of this, let me explain, I go to take a piss during my longer session of one or one hour and half and when I try to get back to my room where I was fucking a girl, I forget the room number and walk into room where other guest is fucking girl LOL! You should see the shock on their face and also on mine LOL! It is like the movie Home alone poster on all of us LOL! I apologize and keep opening the wrong door till I get my room right LOL be sure to remember the room number you are in LOL!
Last year February I banged a girl from Latvia for E50/1/2 hour in Sharks.. When covid became critical in March and I was considering whether to stay in Germany or go home I asked her how much she would charge to come to my hotel room she said E500/1 hour.Me, as I wrote before, it was 500 euro for 3 hours or 4, one of the which, but she did stay till morning in the end, it was fun, but for me it was same just different rate, different place my hotel room, I much prefer FKK unless I have dynamic set up like I am fucking her front of some world heritage view through my hotel window etc, I may get to next level soon when I can only do one or two cum, but for now FKK is fine doing 3 to 5 rooms all with cum before in my younger day it was 5 to 7 rooms,. But now I cannot do that at least as easily as before!
I hope you said no. Prices increase a lot because of the addicts who are so submissive to women that they can't say no and get manipulated by their love interests. Or they just have no self esteem.
I remember paying 75 euros / one hour with the really sexy German girl Olivia in golden time back in 2013. It was only my second visit here, during the social time I asked her her rate for 1 hour, she said that she charged 100 euros, I just replied 'sorry the normal price is 75' and we agreed on this price. When the hour was finished, she offered me to stay 30 minutes more for 25 euros. I said yes obviously.
Too bad that some guys are so desperate seeking attention from these girls that they say 'yes' to everything. Eventually they are treated as slaves and we all have to pay 100 now. I hope that, when the pandemic disappears, everyone will have the balls to stand for 50 euros /30 min which is already a good price especially with the economic crisis that is coming, but I fear that the spineless lovesick puppies will drive the price higher.Some mongers see prostitutes in FKK as real life girl and develop some kind of relation, so they cannot say that LOL.
A monger even talk about his mother on sex forum LOL! Insane!
Exactly! My parents had a combine dual income in the 80's to about 40% what I make alone today, and they were able to buy 3 houses and an apartment in good areas. Even if I watched only Pornhub and not spend a single dollar on FKK pussy, I could not even afford the rental apartment my parents bought in NYC in 1997.
That's why for me I rather rent (before covid) and spend my money on FKK experiences. This last year has been my single best year for accumulating wealth, hopefully in a year or 2 I can retire in Germany or somewhere in Eastern Europe!Seems like your parents are doing pretty well today with those houses. The prices of houses actually have not changed that much since 80's with respect to gold. What really changes is the depreciation of the dollar which has been going on since Nixon de-pegged it from gold. Let say your parents back then converted the amount of money that was equivalent to the price of a typical 3-bed room single family house into golds and put them in a safe. Those golds today can pretty much buy the same house even though it costs more in term of dollars. Isn't it amazing? Without the backing of anything, the Fed can pretty much print money out of thin air. Because the Fed has been irresponsibly injecting excessive liquidity to the financial markets since the 2008 financial crisis, all the assets have been inflated. That's why people who own assets have seen their wealth's bubbled up especially this past year, at least on paper. The USA Will soon become Japan like in term of debt / GDP and will eventually go the way of Rome one day. It's so sad to see this happening. I should have listened to my friends who tried to talk me into buying gold ten years ago, but I brushed them off. That turned out to be a big mistake on my part. Retrospectively, they were right all along.
Yea it's hard to pay $600 for just 1 girl, when you can find deals to fly to Germany from NYC for $650 round trip. If I book any 2 FKK girls for 1 hour each, I already break even with hotel and flight included LOL!You better hope the airfares will stay low once things return to normal. I have a feeling that the cross continental airfares will not be as cheap when the demand comes back. Many airlines have been cutting the number of flights per day to many cities. That would push up the prices based on supplies and demands. Will see how that turns out.
Sounds like a nice plan. NYC here as well, born and raised and made a TON of paper gains on mostly TSLA as well. I'm curious as to your dream / retire plans? Maybe PM me if it's better for you.With respect to TSLA, I would stay close to the exit door as much as possible. You never know when it's going to turned. I'd definitely at least get back the principle and play with the house money if you've already accumulated so much gains. Michael Burry ("The Big Short") has recently shorted TLSA. He tweeted to TSLA investors "Enjoy it while it lasts. " LOL. I hope you've diversified your wealth into different asset classes like real estates and commodities which include precious metals. I think deflation will come first and then inflation will ramp up down the road. Only time will tell.
...However, I have walked into other peoples session in many FKK, I am guilty of this, let me explain, I go to take a piss during my longer session of one or one hour and half and when I try to get back to my room where I was fucking a girl, I forget the room number and walk into room where other guest is fucking girl LOL! You should see the shock on their face and also on mine LOL! It is like the movie Home alone poster on all of us LOL! I apologize and keep opening the wrong door till I get my room right LOL be sure to remember the room number you are in LOL!I let the girl keep the door open.
Hi Mister Turgid,
I was always thinking you are a serious man, sorry but not one FKK girl never asked me 500 per hour for escorting, usually the price for a full day goes from 500 to 1200 for the super stunner but I never spent more than 800. I think that you are a very ugly guy so the girl really charge you a lot for the hard job they will have to do, take it easy it is a joke.In addition to being very ugly I banged her very hard in many different positions during our half hour so that might be why she stated so much. Or it could be that because all FKK clubs were closing down she thought that p4p would be in short supply so the demand would be greater.
In addition to being very ugly I banged her very hard in many different positions during our half hour so that might be why she stated so much. Or it could be that because all FKK clubs were closing down she thought that p4p would be in short supply so the demand would be greater.At Aphrodisia Zurich city with free entry and drinks, but no alcohol for me, I don t want Swiss administration cut my head, never found a look worthing 280 CHF /30 mn, or 500/60 . Now rare for me to find a look worthing Globe rate around 130 € per 30 mn, but only new German superstar on this Summer for several rooms. I only pay for beauties, not for girls with who I would not go for free in real life, I'm not desperate enough to empty my balls, when I want to give pleasure to my mind, much bigger pleasure for me. And I really like to make beauties improving for me, following me, paid back from my manners with women.
Seems like your parents are doing pretty well today with those houses. The prices of houses actually have not changed that much since 80's with respect to gold. What really changes is the depreciation of the dollar which has been going on since Nixon de-pegged it from gold. Let say your parents back then converted the amount of money that was equivalent to the price of a typical 3-bed room single family house into golds and put them in a safe. Those golds today can pretty much buy the same house even though it costs more in term of dollars. Isn't it amazing? Without the backing of anything, the Fed can pretty much print money out of thin air. Because the Fed has been irresponsibly injecting excessive liquidity to the financial markets since the 2008 financial crisis, all the assets have been inflated. Based on what AznHotboy shared, the bigger takeaway for me is that the costs of living have outpaced the increases in wages. For example, a man born in 1940 with a middle class income could probably afford to buy a home for his family by the age of 30, even with a stay-at-home wife. A man born in 1990 with an average income does not have this financial reality, definitely not in a major city. Most millennials are not financially better off than their parents (except for millennials in developing countries). Although, when the baby boomers die off that should trigger some wealth transfer to their children.
You better hope the airfares will stay low once things return to normal. I have a feeling that the cross continental airfares will not be as cheap when the demand comes back. Many airlines have been cutting the number of flights per day to many cities. That would push up the prices based on supplies and demands. Will see how that turns out.So you believe short haul flights would remain cheap? I suspect governments will inject some money to revive the travel and hospitality industry. Otherwise what? They repurpose all those usused aircrafts, empty airports, hotels, and resorts? Retrain pilots? Seems like it would not be too difficult to add most (if not all) of the scheduled flights back, and it would put a lot of people back to work. Post-pandemic, I could see more people continuing to work from home, and smaller trade fairs. That translates to less "business travel". Let's be honest, if your company is paying for your flight to attend a Messe at Frankfurt, are you going to shop around for the best deal? So selling overpriced seats to business travellers is where airlines were making some of their biggest profit margins, and that enabled airlines to offer lower prices to non-business travellers.
ExpatLover
01-22-21, 18:30
In addition to being very ugly I banged her very hard in many different positions during our half hour so that might be why she stated so much. Or it could be that because all FKK clubs were closing down she thought that p4p would be in short supply so the demand would be greater.Banging her very hard should be a very positive thing, we all know that the girls are in the FKK for having sex.
Carpaccio18
01-22-21, 23:04
Yeah, once in Artemis, a girl and I took only room that was available which is by cinema down stairs, the room with just red velvet curtain, and we were having very amazing deep GFE session, you know so into it in sweet way, then suddenly her face change to evil look and began shouting something in German LOL! I was like what happened and she said, there was some freak guy watching us between the curtain LOL! So voyeur do exist!! It is not my thing to watch or to be watched!
However, I have walked into other peoples session in many FKK, I am guilty of this, let me explain, I go to take a piss during my longer session of one or one hour and half and when I try to get back to my room where I was fucking a girl, I forget the room number and walk into room where other guest is fucking girl LOL! You should see the shock on their face and also on mine LOL! It is like the movie Home alone poster on all of us LOL! I apologize and keep opening the wrong door till I get my room right LOL be sure to remember the room number you are in LOL!If you ever been to the FKK Villa in Hannover back when CeBIT was really big, it could be pretty much impossible to find a room, so you would find people banging in every corner of the place, even in the lounge area or against the bar. It was pretty wild and all good fun.
I never really cared to much if someone was waching, so have banged girls in Cinemas in several clubs, including Artemis. Girls seem to feel they need to put on a good show when other people can watch them, so you can get quite a PSE. It can be fun.
Post-pandemic, I could see more people continuing to work from home, and smaller trade fairs. That translates to less "business travel". Let's be honest, if your company is paying for your flight to attend a Messe at Frankfurt, are you going to shop around for the best deal? So selling overpriced seats to business travellers is where airlines were making some of their biggest profit margins, and that enabled airlines to offer lower prices to non-business travellers.As a value travel shopper, I fear that your assessment may be correct. Without airlines benefiting from high-profit margin tickets, the cost might just be transferred to economy class ticket purchasers.
I do hold out hope due to one phenomenon. The median income of my peer group is somewhere in the low 6 figure range. That's a fairly high number although hardly wealthy. That being said, for personal travel, most of them rarely purchase first class or business class tickets for long haul flights. Even my $200 K+ earner friends rarely purchase those tickets. The ones who do fly business and first class are usually a special group. They are the weekly business travelers in consulting and perhaps sales. Due to their frequency of travel on company dime, they manage to achieve platinum / diamond airline status meanwhile accumulating up to millions of frequent flyer / reward miles / points. Because of this, their seats are frequently upgraded while traveling for business and when "purchasing" a ticket for personal use, they just use their rewards points / miles to be upgraded to business and first class.
I suspect that a large chunk of business and first class travelers are upgrades and rewards users. If this is true, then perhaps the loss of business class revenue may not be as great as it may appear on the surface.
If you ever been to the FKK Villa in Hannover back when CeBIT was really big, it could be pretty much impossible to find a room, so you would find people banging in every corner of the place, even in the lounge area or against the bar. It was pretty wild and all good fun.
I never really cared to much if someone was waching, so have banged girls in Cinemas in several clubs, including Artemis. Girls seem to feel they need to put on a good show when other people can watch them, so you can get quite a PSE. It can be fun.I was never into watching others fuck or getting watched while I fuck, but maybe one day, I might began to be further hentai LOL!
I let the girl keep the door open.That can solved my issue of walking into others room while they are fucking, but now I simply bother to remember my room number LOL! And also I stopped smoking weed in FKK now too LOL!
As a value travel shopper, I fear that your assessment may be correct. Without airlines benefiting from high-profit margin tickets, the cost might just be transferred to economy class ticket purchasers.
I do hold out hope due to one phenomenon. The median income of my peer group is somewhere in the low 6 figure range. That's a fairly high number although hardly wealthy. That being said, for personal travel, most of them rarely purchase first class or business class tickets for long haul flights. Even my $200 K+ earner friends rarely purchase those tickets. The ones who do fly business and first class are usually a special group. They are the weekly business travelers in consulting and perhaps sales. Due to their frequency of travel on company dime, they manage to achieve platinum / diamond airline status meanwhile accumulating up to millions of frequent flyer / reward miles / points. Because of this, their seats are frequently upgraded while traveling for business and when "purchasing" a ticket for personal use, they just use their rewards points / miles to be upgraded to business and first class.
I suspect that a large chunk of business and first class travelers are upgrades and rewards users. If this is true, then perhaps the loss of business class revenue may not be as great as it may appear on the surface.I think there will be more travel than before eventually because look, even now, with all these restrictions, people are still travelling between the loopholes of restrictions! We humans and also our society as well as its system got too used to the globalization that the world won't function without it like it is not functioning now! So it will come back with vengeance and back to even more than before!
Banging her very hard should be a very positive thing, we all know that the girls are in the FKK for having sex.No, girls are in the FKK for having sex only with you, for all other men it is for the money.
The ones who do fly business and first class are usually a special group. They are the weekly business travelers in consulting and perhaps sales. Due to their frequency of travel on company dime, they manage to achieve platinum / diamond airline status meanwhile accumulating up to millions of frequent flyer / reward miles / points. Because of this, their seats are frequently upgraded while traveling for business and when "purchasing" a ticket for personal use, they just use their rewards points / miles to be upgraded to business and first class.
I suspect that a large chunk of business and first class travelers are upgrades and rewards users. If this is true, then perhaps the loss of business class revenue may not be as great as it may appear on the surface.
From investopedia:
Airlines receive only about 60% of their revenue from passengers directly (the other 40% comes from selling frequent-flier miles to credit card companies and other travel partners like hotels and car rental agencies). But of that 60% of passenger consumer revenue, the big money comes from business travelers as opposed to those flying for leisure or personal reasons in percentages that far outweigh their numbers. Business travelers account for 12% percent of airlines' passengers, but they are typically twice as profitable. In fact, on some flights, business passengers represent 75% of an airline's revenues.
Businesses are generally willing to pay more to book last-minute and non-stop flight options but rarely allow premium-section seats for rank and file employees.
Businesses usually allow employees to leverage business travel to earn and keep frequent flyer miles and points, which are increasingly valuable to airlines as a source of revenue and data.
www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/041315/how-much-revenue-airline-industry-comes-business-travelers-compared-leisure-travelers.aspAlso some interesting statistics here including:
https://blog.spendesk.com/en/business-travel-statistics
Business travel accounts for 22.2% of travel and tourisms contribution to European GDP. (World Travel & Tourism Council)Any kind of reward points doled out are the result of high spending. Airlines are not going to reward 50 cents on every dollar spent. RE: travellers who use rewards earned from business travel towards personal travel, from the airline's standpoint, that is still probably quite lucrative business model. To even qualify for that upgrade in the first place, somebody (usually the company) must have spent significant sums of money. In that sense, we could consider that upgrade as being "prepaid".
Many companies allow employees to keep the points they earn from business travel as a perk. If that same corporate travel policy also allows the employee to pick their own flights, then the employee is NOT incentivized to find the best deal and save their company money. Even if the corporate travel policy states "No business or economy class for flights under 10 hours", that employee who is booking their own travel could still choose the economy ticket that is not the cheapest, but the one that earns them the most reward points. Likewise, if the company allows employees to book flights on their own personal credit card and be reimbursed later. So post-pandemic, if you have fewer of these scenarios where "someone else" is footing the bill, then you have more cost-conscious customers, which means airlines could see lower profit margins even on their economy tickets.
All the airlines have dedicated divisions to manage accounts for their corporate customers. Apple is United Airlines' biggest corporate account, $150 million annually, and 25 percent of that was spent on the San Francisco (SFO) - Shanghai (PVG) route alone. Apparently, Apple books 50 business class seats per day on that SFO-PVG route, each seat normally costing $2500. I assume Apple gets some discounts based on volume: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6593489/Confidential-data-United-Airlines-corporate-clients-leaked.html.
This is a bit dated from 2012, but Daimler Germany paid business class for all flights over 10 hours, for everyone in the company, even junior employees. I suspect large companies like Daimler who have offices all over the world are able to negotiate better pricing by making an airline like Lufthansa their exclusive or preferred vendor: https://www.wiwi-treff.de/Berufsleben/Geschaeftsreisen/Welche-Firmen-fliegen-heute-noch-business-class/Diskussion-17499.
Here is a place where we could possibly hold out hope: perhaps governments will step in and subsidize airlines. Cities like Frankfurt are not tourist hotspots, but they are financial hubs. Business travellers infuse a lot of money into the local economy (hotels, restaurants, FKK clubs). How much money do hotels make during a major Messe when every hotel room is booked at 2-3 times the nightly rate? How many married business travellers were introduced to FKK Palace for the first time by a Frankfurt cab driver getting a kickback? Many international companies have a presence in Germany, and when someone from upper management comes down from corporate, they often take the the staff out to dinner. That could be a few thousand EUR restaurant and alcohol bill for a local restaurant owner. The Messe alone probably probably generates work for thousands of local people: construction, audio video technicians, security, food catering. "Bleisure" travelers who extend their business a trip a few days to see the sights would disappear if business travel as a whole decreases. For instance, that guy who has a business trip in Frankfurt, but plans to stay an extra week to see Bavaria, never even makes the trip to Germany.
ExpatLover
01-23-21, 19:06
No, girls are in the FKK for having sex only with you, for all other men it is for the money.I wish for it but unfortunately it is not the case, I am not a good fucker contrary to many guys on this forum who are able to make the prostitutes coming so often and many times, I am also a very bad driver contrary to so many guys who are even better than Hamilton.
Banging her very hard should be a very positive thing, we all know that the girls are in the FKK for having sex.Even I knew one at LR who was paid only for companionship in couch for hours with no sex, maybe these guys didn't find her good for sex, but better for gossiping, or maybe she managed to avoid sex with them, but not with me who didn't want to gossip with her, having sex for 3 hours on day. One at Bruggen also learned for companionship, being booked whole day, when I was told: the longest booking, the less sex. But usually, most of girls know we go to them and pay them for sex, even many guys go to room and don't have sex. I usually don't rush, taking all my time to make enjoyable, but.
Had only 1 room with no sex, with German Lucifer at Palace on April 2017 for our fifth room, she told me: but you don't want sex? No, I left the room after 15 mn and giving her 50.9 months after, when she had guys waiting for her at Bruggen, but she wanted I go with her, but I didn't want. I think I gave up fucking around 3 times, because really too small pussies for my size, too bad for sex and making me feel uncomfortable to see these girls reactions, when I could even finish with Luana LR / Florentina GT, really adapting to her. When I usually like to control with belly muscles to stay on the edge and play with the girl, from her reactions. Funny game and no need for viagra or same. Sport help.
One upside to the flights post-covid is that during the pandemic a lot of airlines and leasing companies have been slashing debt at a large scale. So once it is over, economy traveller's won't be paying so much for sustained debt levels. But only time will tell for how long this will last. Looking 5-10 years ahead though, continental flights at least will become more and more electrified, so that will revolutionize short haul cost also. But intercontinental might be more tricky. Maybe you just got to take a lot of shorter hops through Greenland and Iceland?
Carpaccio18
01-23-21, 22:27
I was never into watching others fuck or getting watched while I fuck, but maybe one day, I might began to be further hentai LOL!You never know until you try LOL.
Any kind of reward points doled out are the result of high spending. Airlines are not going to reward 50 cents on every dollar spent. RE: travellers who use rewards earned from business travel towards personal travel, from the airline's standpoint, that is still probably quite lucrative business model. To even qualify for that upgrade in the first place, somebody (usually the company) must have spent significant sums of money. In that sense, we could consider that upgrade as being "prepaid".
Many companies allow employees to keep the points they earn from business travel as a perk. If that same corporate travel policy also allows the employee to pick their own flights, then the employee is NOT incentivized to find the best deal and save their company money.
if you have fewer of these scenarios where "someone else" is footing the bill, then you have more cost-conscious customers, which means airlines could see lower profit margins even on their economy tickets.
Here is a place where we could possibly hold out hope: perhaps governments will step in and subsidize airlines..For sure, business travel is a (the) backbone of airline travel for all of the reasons that you stated and airlines will take a hit no matter what. No doubt that without government intervention, the retraction of business travel culture will lead to leisure travelers eating some of the loss of profit in the form of higher ticket higher prices.
I'm just offering some hope of optimism in that the mere loss in business class sales by actual business travelers may not be what actually leads to the direct loss in airline profit margins. The bulk of business travelers are still flying economy but are superficially making it appear as if all of the business class seats were actually purchased in hard cash, as in direct profits. Point is, a bigger loss might actually come from the lack of daily economy class business travelers, and perhaps like you said, last minute economy class business travelers paying bloated economy ticket prices.
One would think that senior management travel currently travel less than the young consultant and middle level company lieutenants, leaving the latter to handle the weekly logistics and stress of company operations. The former are probably the ones that always travel business class or higher while the young, weekly travelers are relegated to those economy class tickets. Perhaps the former's travel habits will be less affected in the post pandemic world and actual business class sales do not suffer as much of a direct loss as it would suggest on the surface.
My other optimistic hold out. I've always felt that business class tickets are extremely artificially bloated due to careless company spending. With smaller amounts of business travelers filling up the first class seats, perhaps the market will dictate that business class tickets come down to a reasonable price practical to the upper middle class. At current prices, there is no way I'm willing to spend a few months of home mortgage on one intercontinental plane ticket.
After the pandemic, whenever this finish, how do you imagine the FKK scene will be?
Will its change from before corona or it stay the same?
If it change what do you think will change? More or less girls? Better services? Change prices?
I know its hard to tell for sure. But just wondering.
I think not much will change. Maybe more girls (hopefully) which will lead to more competition between girls and better services overall.
You never know until you try LOL.That's a good point, well then, I will be that hentai mofo between the curtain of down stairs room by cinema in Artemis voyeur-ing some mongers session through that crack of the curtain LOL!
I am planning to go to Globe public sex day at one point though!
Rambambinoz
01-24-21, 03:31
After the pandemic, whenever this finish, how do you imagine the FKK scene will be?
Will its change from before corona or it stay the same?
If it change what do you think will change? More or less girls? Better services? Change prices?
I know its hard to tell for sure. But just wondering.
I think not much will change. Maybe more girls (hopefully) which will lead to more competition between girls and better services overall.I don't think they will be back to normal straight away. I think they will initially reopen in the same way Artemis did, masks, temp checks, sanitisers everywhere. They will most likely ease these measures over time. I thought the attitude of the girls was really good when I visited Artemis in September under the measures.
ExpatLover
01-24-21, 07:45
After the pandemic, whenever this finish, how do you imagine the FKK scene will be?
Will its change from before corona or it stay the same?
If it change what do you think will change? More or less girls? Better services? Change prices?
I know its hard to tell for sure. But just wondering.
I think not much will change. Maybe more girls (hopefully) which will lead to more competition between girls and better services overall.I think like in the recent years a another decrease of the fresh natural beauties, there will be always the same veteran and overfucked girls around. Where should the young fresh girls from? So many companies are switching from China to Hungary, Romania therefor it is easier for the girls to find a job. The same happened to Poland from 2010 to 2015 were we faced a strong decrease from the Polish girls in the FKK.
After the pandemic, whenever this finish, how do you imagine the FKK scene will be?
Will its change from before corona or it stay the same?
If it change what do you think will change? More or less girls? Better services? Change prices?
I know its hard to tell for sure. But just wondering.
I think not much will change. Maybe more girls (hopefully) which will lead to more competition between girls and better services overall.When some clubs reopened after first confine, I didn't see difference, girls don't care about virus, they just want money. I'm pretty sure to mistake, but wish for less long time girls, maybe retired, and more fresh blood needing money from crisis, and even only one elegant beauty would be great for me, but pretty sure granny Sylvana will be back, question being where? Other question being when reopening when Germany is now in big trouble. I think Switzerland should reopen on March or April, when they still have few clubs remaining open until 7 pm.
I wish for it but unfortunately it is not the case, I am not a good fucker contrary to many guys on this forum who are able to make the prostitutes coming so often and many times, I am also a very bad driver contrary to so many guys who are even better than Hamilton.Difference between brothels and real life is easier to make cum on DATY than fucking WGs because their pussy is less fresh from many fuckings and of course they have less desire in brain than should have your girlfriend. But not so difficult on DATY, with some girls helping, rubbing clit on your tongue, or leading You to their spots if they trust You, and some returning to repeat. When some women, like some WGs, tell me, I often heard women about boring sex just for fast emptying balls. When I ask about foreplay, many women in real life look at me with round eyes, who is this alien? Maybe why many have headache to avoid sex. My 2 last girlfriends, divorced little mum, refused sex with their husband, I had to be patient, starting with only kissing but they kissed me so much like with their child, looking for tenderness, then after few weeks, only foreplay to open them and succeed to lead them to orgasm, then they trusted me enough only after 2/3 months, but then never told me about headache, even under period, but telling with smile: I go to bed, I wait for you, when I was sometimes watching football, or still working. Both were 12 years of my life and great school to learn about women, rebuilding them to make them feel woman, not only being mother with no sexuality, when we learned about sexuality together, adapting to each other, and I adapted on first months for them, for their sweetness, tenderness, kindness, beauty, but also for what they did' t know yet they would become, but I already felt from their passionate sweet kissing. I remember when I told them: I would like You sleep full naked with me, you don't have to be afraid of me, I saw fear in their eyes, I didn't insist, but later telling me: put it off. If I met last one when I was 18 , I would have liked to have only her for woman of my life, kissing with no more teeth when we would be old, as we often laughed about. Sexuality in normal life is so far higher level than with prostitutes who don t know much.
About cars, when you drove H3 E21 and RS500 Cosworth daily for more than 20 years, my rodeo girl as I told my girlfriends who were jealous and asked me to sell: I don't want You die in this car, I need You for my new life, nothing about money they never asked me, but now, Audi are so easy and I find even easier with no quattro which make me problems to feel rear reactions, and if You really drove many kilometers, especially at night, sometimes after skiing or climbing whole day, You should know speed and adrenaline help not to feel asleep when You are used to drive many kilometers. Facts are no girl never took me to any desk of staff, and I never crashed injured anybody in more than 35 years, often pushing to grip limit and maximum engine power, and not even when skiing, injuring only me. Not so bad for a bad guy, but still improving like good old French wine, even I don't drink.
My other optimistic hold out. I've always felt that business class tickets are extremely artificially bloated due to careless company spending. With smaller amounts of business travelers filling up the first class seats, perhaps the market will dictate that business class tickets come down to a reasonable price practical to the upper middle class. At current prices, there is no way I'm willing to spend a few months of home mortgage on one intercontinental plane ticket.Despite there being fewer flights and those flights being emptier, both business class and economy are currently pricing higher than 2020: https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/winter-aviation-covid-airlines/index.html.
On SecretFlying, you can still find USA to mainland Europe flights for $275-400 in the April-December 2021 timeframe. A lot can happen in 3-12 months. Airlines could go bankrupt. International borders could close or you could contract CV19 a week before your flight and be unable to fly. Would change fees be waived? What would the refund process look like?
Regional airfares should be stable in Europe as long Ryanair and Wizzair are still operating. Ryanair I would assume has very little dependence on business travellers. Each booked seat costs Ryanair on average 47 EUR while they on average charge each passenger 37 EUR. Ryanair is willing to take that 10 EUR loss on each seat because: (1) they know they can fill each plane, and (2) their predictive analytics show that each passenger spends on average 17 EUR on ancillary services (extra luggage, priority boarding, beverages, lottery tickets). This business model allowed Ryanair to be the most profitable airline in Europe: https://simpleflying.com/how-low-cost-carriers-make-money/.
Returning to subject of long-haul travel. Back in 2018, low cost carriers like WOW Air, LEVEL and Norwegian Air were offering dirt cheap flights to Americans wishing to cross the Atlantic. This forced traditional carriers like United and Delta to lower their pricing to remain competitive. So a lot may depend on if these budget airlines can stay financially afloat. And if Norwegian Air collapses like WOW Air did in 2019, will other low cost carriers emerge to replace them? From a regulatory standpoint, I am not sure what the barrier to entry is like. Governments could choose to lower the taxes and bureaucratic red tape. Governments still own and operate some of the world's major airports, so in theory NYC could lower the fees they charge to airlines that land in JFK.
Governments also hold on to airports because they see them as economic-development tools that provide indirect boosts to their bottom line assets that attract businesses and tourists, for instance. Thats certainly an argument in favor of building an airport. Once an airport is built, however, those indirect benefits will continue no matter whos in charge of daily operations.
Globally, airport privatization has been going on since 1987, when Margaret Thatcher put Londons Heathrow on the block. Today, more than 100 major airports around the world are privately run. In 2018, three-quarters of all passenger traffic in Europe and 66 percent of all passenger traffic in Latin America and the Caribbean passed through privately run airports, according to Airports Council International.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/sell-airports/615331/
As a value travel shopper, I fear that your assessment may be correct. Without airlines benefiting from high-profit margin tickets, the cost might just be transferred to economy class ticket purchasers.
I do hold out hope due to one phenomenon. The median income of my peer group is somewhere in the low 6 figure range. That's a fairly high number although hardly wealthy. That being said, for personal travel, most of them rarely purchase first class or business class tickets for long haul flights. Even my $200 K+ earner friends rarely purchase those tickets. The ones who do fly business and first class are usually a special group. They are the weekly business travelers in consulting and perhaps sales. Due to their frequency of travel on company dime, they manage to achieve platinum / diamond airline status meanwhile accumulating up to millions of frequent flyer / reward miles / points. Because of this, their seats are frequently upgraded while traveling for business and when "purchasing" a ticket for personal use, they just use their rewards points / miles to be upgraded to business and first class.
I suspect that a large chunk of business and first class travelers are upgrades and rewards users. If this is true, then perhaps the loss of business class revenue may not be as great as it may appear on the surface.I don't know how much experience of business and first class you have but I have a lot and find that economy just doesn't do it anymore. I don't think anyone ever likes these intercon-trips (especially the east bound) but having sampled the goods up at the front it's even harder. The same goes for the hotels too. These 2-star hotels near the Hauptbahnhof are impossible to stay at these days and don't get me started on older 2-3 star hotels in the US. I don't need 5 star but the level of what's acceptable is obviously higher these days.
That means that even when I'm travelling for pleasure I try to find a way to move myself up one class. And even when I'm staying a little longer in Frankfurt or Zürich for FKK I won't move hotels to some dump. Instead I will move to a Hyatt or Intercontinental. After the pandemic I will be watching prices closely because as it is I have a real need for personal travel. My employer on the other hand found their convenient excuse to cut the travel budget almost entirely. Let's see about 2022.
I don't see myself travelling to FKK cities much unless I can hide it behind a 'legitimate' reason so I'll absolutely be one of those travellers that won't bring additional income to those cities.
That's a good point, well then, I will be that hentai mofo between the curtain of down stairs room by cinema in Artemis voyeur-ing some mongers session through that crack of the curtain LOL!
I am planning to go to Globe public sex day at one point though!I fucked Marketa in the ass in one of those little rooms with the crack in the curtains LOL!
I don't know how much experience of business and first class you have but I have a lot and find that economy just doesn't do it anymore. I don't think anyone ever likes these intercon-trips (especially the east bound) but having sampled the goods up at the front it's even harder. The same goes for the hotels too. These 2-star hotels near the Hauptbahnhof are impossible to stay at these days and don't get me started on older 2-3 star hotels in the US. I don't need 5 star but the level of what's acceptable is obviously higher these days.
That means that even when I'm travelling for pleasure I try to find a way to move myself up one class. And even when I'm staying a little longer in Frankfurt or Zrich for FKK I won't move hotels to some dump. Instead I will move to a Hyatt or Intercontinental. After the pandemic I will be watching prices closely because as it is I have a real need for personal travel. My employer on the other hand found their convenient excuse to cut the travel budget almost entirely. Let's see about 2022.
I don't see myself travelling to FKK cities much unless I can hide it behind a 'legitimate' reason so I'll absolutely be one of those travellers that won't bring additional income to those cities.I'm with you on the flights. Once you've experienced first and business class travel it's really, really hard to go back to economy / coach. At this point in my life, when it comes to leisure travel by air, I will be sticking with at least premium class seats. Economy / coach or "cattle cabin" class is simply too uncomfortable. No more landing with a sore neck! As for hotel rooms, I tend to stick with 3-star to 4-star hotels. You can find some of those near the hauptbanhofs in the big cities, which is where I prefer to stay in Germany since I take the train a lot, and it's easy to find a taxi too if you need one. Although, I have Uber and Lyft, and will be seeking to utilize those services more often.
I was never into watching others fuck or getting watched while I fuck, but maybe one day, I might began to be further hentai LOL!Very much the same for me at the beginning of my FKK journey. Wasn't shy or curious for any public action, even thought it was a bit weird.
That all changed in 2018, when I brought a good friend with me to FKK land and we double teamed a FKK "superstar" LOL!
It was quite the life changing experience I would say. First thing and most important thing, it totally broke the illusion I had with the girl. Seeing her being used like a piece of fuck meat in person is definitely a refreshing perspective I greatly needed LOL! Seeing her sucked my friend the exact way she sucked me made me realize she just was really good at her job and it was just a job at the end of the day. Secondly, it made my friendship with my friend a lot better. We had a unique friend experience that many men don't share and it was definitely worth it just to have a deep friendship! Lastly, it brought me pleasure to be to public with my actions, not something I actively seek but there is a level of satisfaction I have now knowing others are watching us fuck.
In fact, my last FKK action of 2020 was public during GT's Chinese New Years party where all the rooms were full. The girl I was with really got into it when she realized I was really into it. We did it in the cinema room and it was packed, but people gave us room for what we needed to do.
I don't know how much experience of business and first class you have but I have a lot and find that economy just doesn't do it anymore. I don't think anyone ever likes these intercon-trips (especially the east bound) but having sampled the goods up at the front it's even harder. The same goes for the hotels too. These 2-star hotels near the Hauptbahnhof are impossible to stay at these days and don't get me started on older 2-3 star hotels in the US. I don't need 5 star but the level of what's acceptable is obviously higher these days.
That means that even when I'm travelling for pleasure I try to find a way to move myself up one class. I mean, I'm not against the luxuries in life, not at all. Everyone must judge for themselves how to get the most joy for your money. I'm sure my pre-pandemic $30 thousand plus holiday budget is sinful even for the average upper middle class person.
For me, it's just that the airline first class price points are absurd to me. I have never ever ever ever ever paid for a full priced first class ticket, or business class for the matter. My status with Delta does allow for routine upgrades to business class on domestic flights and to economy comfort+ on international travel (over 50% occurrence, probably 75%.
While I do enjoy the perks, if I was forced to actually shell out the cash at the going rates, would I? Nope (except for the few times when I was offered a heavily discounted upgrade offer.) Take a look at prices for transcontinental business class prices in the United States. An economy ticket from east coast to west coast is somewhere around $400. A business class ticket costs around $2000. That's an extra $1600 for a four to five hour flight, $400 per hour for extra leg space, comfy seats, and not having to deal with loud children and passengers with poor airplane etiquette. That's just too rich of a luxury expense for me to reason, as frankly, I judge the value of service purchases based on my personal working rate, and I am well shy of being a $400/ HR earner.
For transatlantic travel (for me to get to an FKK), the economy prices are $800 compared to $4000 business and over $7000 for first class.
This is another way I look at it, for the price difference of a business class ticket, I can have 64 Cheap Charlie half-hour FKK rooms, or 32 half hour CIM rooms, or 32 hours of a continuous blowjob. Or for the same flight time, 8 hours with 4 hookers continuously sucking, fucking, and licking from head to toe.
If I only made one or two mongering trip per year, perhaps. But for someone who makes 5 to 6 trips per year, $20-40 K per year just on luxury class tickets would easily double my annual holiday budget.
Anyway, if the price point was closer to 2 x compared to economy tickets, that would be my personal point of fair value.
As for hotels, it just depends on why I'm traveling and with whom. I'm still not above staying in hostels if backpacking through whatever region that I am exploring. In fact, it's sometimes preferred as many hostels are naturally social environments. On the other hand, if I am traveling with a lady or to a tropical leisure locale, will I shell out extra money versus a budget roach motel? Of course. Have I stayed at a $15 per night hotel when driving across the country? Also yes.
Despite there being fewer flights and those flights being emptier, both business class and economy are currently pricing higher than 2020: https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/winter-aviation-covid-airlines/index.html.
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Returning to subject of long-haul travel. Back in 2018, low cost carriers like WOW Air, LEVEL and Norwegian Air were offering dirt cheap flights to Americans wishing to cross the Atlantic. This forced traditional carriers like United and Delta to lower their pricing to remain competitive. So a lot may depend on if these budget airlines can stay financially afloat. And if Norwegian Air collapses like WOW Air did in 2019, will other low cost carriers emerge to replace them? From a regulatory standpoint, I am not sure what the barrier to entry is like. Governments could choose to lower the taxes and bureaucratic red tape. Governments still own and operate some of the world's major airports, so in theory NYC could lower the fees they charge to airlines that land in JFK.I've taken 8 legs of domestic flights during this past year and have paid the lowest prices I've ever paid (except in college with the $49 one-way standby transcontinental tickets offered by AirTran).
The 6 times I flew with Delta, I was upgraded every time. One flight carried a total of 12 people. Took 2 legs of a 1 hour flight with Spirit Airlines (The cheapest carrier in the USA). The round trip ticket to Tampa, FL and back was $36.
Not at all expecting this to remain the case 6 months from now.
I'm with you on the flights. Once you've experienced first and business class travel it's really, really hard to go back to economy / coach. At this point in my life, when it comes to leisure travel by air, I will be sticking with at least premium class seats. Very fair point. Your point in life must factor into assessing the value of the luxury ticket. For anyone who is nearing retirement and have everything already set to fund the golden years, why not splurge and enjoy life as much as possible?
But for people in the their prime earning years, I see the current prices of luxury tickets having too great an opportunity cost. A $4000 ticket now at this point in my life is worth $12-20 K by the time I reach average retirement age. That's $4000 gone in 8 hours that will cost me 3-5 x that 20-25 years from now.
That being said, I can't wait for the life occasion that warrants the purchase of a transpacific first class ticket with a flat bed in a semi-private cubicle.
Better yet, one of these Premium Emirates Suites:
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/12/emirates-new-777-suite-review/
Very much the same for me at the beginning of my FKK journey. Wasn't shy or curious for any public action, even thought it was a bit weird.
That all changed in 2018, when I brought a good friend with me to FKK land and we double teamed a FKK "superstar" LOL!
It was quite the life changing experience I would say. First thing and most important thing, it totally broke the illusion I had with the girl. Seeing her being used like a piece of fuck meat in person is definitely a refreshing perspective I greatly needed LOL! Seeing her sucked my friend the exact way she sucked me made me realize she just was really good at her job and it was just a job at the end of the day. Secondly, it made my friendship with my friend a lot better. We had a unique friend experience that many men don't share and it was definitely worth it just to have a deep friendship! Lastly, it brought me pleasure to be to public with my actions, not something I actively seek but there is a level of satisfaction I have now knowing others are watching us fuck.
Of all my perverted sexual experiences, I've yet to try the Devil's threesome (Double horns: 2 guys, one girl.) Honestly, not too interested in that as the 2 guys one girl energy is a little off-putting to me. However, I may just do it to enact the Eiffel Tower (Both guys standing, one guy doing a girl doggy style, other one is receiving a standing blowjob, then the two guys High Five forming the Eiffel Tower!)
Secondly, for the Devil's threesome, I think it would be beneficial to ensure somewhat similar member "size". The relationship with your friend may never be the same after simultaneously banging a girl but the friend is either super small or ridiculously big, LOL.
Something I have done done in college but somehow never in a brothel was a 2 v2 bang session. I need to reenact that in a room with a mirror because banging 2 girls doggie style side by side with a buddy while looking at the girls' faces in the mirror as they're both being banged from behind in a must-do, bucket list experience.
Carpaccio18
01-25-21, 00:29
Very much the same for me at the beginning of my FKK journey. Wasn't shy or curious for any public action, even thought it was a bit weird.
That all changed in 2018, when I brought a good friend with me to FKK land and we double teamed a FKK "superstar" LOL!
It was quite the life changing experience I would say. First thing and most important thing, it totally broke the illusion I had with the girl. Seeing her being used like a piece of fuck meat in person is definitely a refreshing perspective I greatly needed LOL! Seeing her sucked my friend the exact way she sucked me made me realize she just was really good at her job and it was just a job at the end of the day. Secondly, it made my friendship with my friend a lot better. We had a unique friend experience that many men don't share and it was definitely worth it just to have a deep friendship! Lastly, it brought me pleasure to be to public with my actions, not something I actively seek but there is a level of satisfaction I have now knowing others are watching us fuck.
In fact, my last FKK action of 2020 was public during GT's Chinese New Years party where all the rooms were full. The girl I was with really got into it when she realized I was really into it. We did it in the cinema room and it was packed, but people gave us room for what we needed to do.Been there myself, one time the evening somehow ended up with my friend and I in a jacuzzi room with a load of girls doing a crazy party night, fucking every girl in the room whenever we felt like it. Half the girls being refreshed on an hourly basis. Epic night. Major pain to the credit card.
On another night we would be getting simultanous BJs in the Cinema while cracking jokes and having fun. Girls seemed to enjoy the upbeat spirit of the whole thing, and having fun too. The BBBJ ban killed that game though.
Noticed you get less upselling and clock watching when doing action in Cinemas.
Carpaccio18
01-25-21, 00:37
After the pandemic, whenever this finish, how do you imagine the FKK scene will be?
Will its change from before corona or it stay the same?
If it change what do you think will change? More or less girls? Better services? Change prices?
I know its hard to tell for sure. But just wondering.
I think not much will change. Maybe more girls (hopefully) which will lead to more competition between girls and better services overall.I guess lots of girls will have returned home or left the business altogether during this. Hopefully this can shake up some of the RO mobs that's been in some of the clubs, giving terrible services and doing aggressive upselling. Or been around for way too long.
One could also hope for some more diversity of the girls, hopefully seeing some fresh new and hopefully beautiful girls, russians, ukranian and the like. One can only hope.
I fucked Marketa in the ass in one of those little rooms with the crack in the curtains LOL!I put my face between Marketa's ass crack, but I did not put my face between that crack in the curtains LOL!
She was great and is missed, last Czech girl I fucked actually!
Very much the same for me at the beginning of my FKK journey. Wasn't shy or curious for any public action, even thought it was a bit weird.
That all changed in 2018, when I brought a good friend with me to FKK land and we double teamed a FKK "superstar" LOL!
It was quite the life changing experience I would say. First thing and most important thing, it totally broke the illusion I had with the girl. Seeing her being used like a piece of fuck meat in person is definitely a refreshing perspective I greatly needed LOL! Seeing her sucked my friend the exact way she sucked me made me realize she just was really good at her job and it was just a job at the end of the day. Secondly, it made my friendship with my friend a lot better. We had a unique friend experience that many men don't share and it was definitely worth it just to have a deep friendship! Lastly, it brought me pleasure to be to public with my actions, not something I actively seek but there is a level of satisfaction I have now knowing others are watching us fuck.
In fact, my last FKK action of 2020 was public during GT's Chinese New Years party where all the rooms were full. The girl I was with really got into it when she realized I was really into it. We did it in the cinema room and it was packed, but people gave us room for what we needed to do.They say, you sit in barber long enough, you will eventually get a hair cut, so if I stay in FKK long enough, I may get to next level hentai LOL! I am getting to that promise land LOL!
Very fair point. Your point in life must factor into assessing the value of the luxury ticket. For anyone who is nearing retirement and have everything already set to fund the golden years, why not splurge and enjoy life as much as possible?
But for people in the their prime earning years, I see the current prices of luxury tickets having too great an opportunity cost. A $4000 ticket now at this point in my life is worth $12-20 K by the time I reach average retirement age. That's $4000 gone in 8 hours that will cost me 3-5 x that 20-25 years from now.
That being said, I can't wait for the life occasion that warrants the purchase of a transpacific first class ticket with a flat bed in a semi-private cubicle.
Better yet, one of these Premium Emirates Suites:
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/12/emirates-new-777-suite-review/Absolutely! An Emirates "sky apartment" is the ultimate in commercial air travel luxury.
I'm with you on the flights. Once you've experienced first and business class travel it's really, really hard to go back to economy / coach. At this point in my life, when it comes to leisure travel by air, I will be sticking with at least premium class seats. Economy / coach or "cattle cabin" class is simply too uncomfortable. No more landing with a sore neck! As for hotel rooms, I tend to stick with 3-star to 4-star hotels. You can find some of those near the hauptbanhofs in the big cities, which is where I prefer to stay in Germany since I take the train a lot, and it's easy to find a taxi too if you need one. Although, I have Uber and Lyft, and will be seeking to utilize those services more often.As a monger, I calculate everything in life based on FKK price, if I pay 50 euro somewhere, for me it is a fuck for 30 min, and 25 euro on top of that is cum in mouth in GT, and 50 euro on top of that is cum in mouth in other FKK, and 100 euro on top of that is anal sex LOL! Business class cost about bit more than double the price of economy, that is two full day at FKK for me with 3 to 4 sessions of one hour each LOL!
I have done business class trip with FKK trip, but there was always me during flight and front of expedia before the purchase, doing all these what I could have done in FKK if I fly economy match LOL! The life of monger for over 23 years LOL!
BigBuddy69
01-25-21, 13:42
If it change what do you think will change? More or less girls? Better services? Change prices?It's difficult to tell, it also depends of the number of clubs closing for good.
But more important, it also depends of the attitude of the guys.
For example, I related before the story of the German girl Olivia in GT who first asked for 100 euros / hour but took 75 euros without problems when I reminded her it was the club price.
But you can see that this dude was upsold by the same girl despite being a regular, only because he didn't dare to remind her the rules.
So when the clubs will reopen, if all the customers are so desperate to have sex that they'll accept every conditions, yes the prices will increase. You just need to have some balls and to be ready to say 'no'.
One of the greatest feeling is when I put my dick in her mouth, it gives me this high recharging feeling like I plug in my penis into her mouth to recharge my soul LOL!
Next time at the German passport control, when officer ask me the purpose of my visit, I will just say "I came half the way around the world to put it in her mouth to recharge my soul" LOL!
For sure, business travel is a (the) backbone of airline travel for all of the reasons that you stated and airlines will take a hit no matter what. No doubt that without government intervention, the retraction of business travel culture will lead to leisure travelers eating some of the loss of profit in the form of higher ticket higher prices.
I'm just offering some hope of optimism in that the mere loss in business class sales by actual business travelers may not be what actually leads to the direct loss in airline profit margins. The bulk of business travelers are still flying economy but are superficially making it appear as if all of the business class seats were actually purchased in hard cash, as in direct profits. Point is, a bigger loss might actually come from the lack of daily economy class business travelers, and perhaps like you said, last minute economy class business travelers paying bloated economy ticket prices.
One would think that senior management travel currently travel less than the young consultant and middle level company lieutenants, leaving the latter to handle the weekly logistics and stress of company operations. The former are probably the ones that always travel business class or higher while the young, weekly travelers are relegated to those economy class tickets. Perhaps the former's travel habits will be less affected in the post pandemic world and actual business class sales do not suffer as much of a direct loss as it would suggest on the surface.
My other optimistic hold out. I've always felt that business class tickets are extremely artificially bloated due to careless company spending. With smaller amounts of business travelers filling up the first class seats, perhaps the market will dictate that business class tickets come down to a reasonable price practical to the upper middle class. At current prices, there is no way I'm willing to spend a few months of home mortgage on one intercontinental plane ticket.The airline industry has taken a massive hit and post covid will continue to suffer. Businesses have shifted away from person to person meetings to online meetings via Zoom, etc. In such an environment airlines cannot increase their prices, they may have to maintain their fares or even reduce. Competition will see to that. Same for hotels. The leisure and entertainment industries (except Pornhub, Netflix and the like) will suffer the most post covid. Major changes are coming.
Secondly, for the Devil's threesome, I think it would be beneficial to ensure somewhat similar member "size". The relationship with your friend may never be the same after simultaneously banging a girl but the friend is either super small or ridiculously big, LOL.I don't know about you but I didn't have the luxury to pick my friends based on penis size. If it turned out my best friend had a 12 inch dick, I would high-five him and tell him at least god blessed the right man LOL!
The friend I brought was a very different man than me, in every way possible. Sure his penis was a bit bigger but he was also a lot taller and older than me. He's about 6'2 and I'm 5'9, and at the time I was still in my 20's and he was already half way through his 40's. He has 2 kids, recently divorced, only had sex with 2 girls his entire life (by the end of our trip it was a round 20), and extremely depressed at the time.
When we first landed in Germany he was a bit nervous to go to the club, typical middle aged American man scared of pussy. Then when we got inside he was too nervous to talk to any girls and followed me very closely. I was jokingly telling him it looked like he was going to go to room with me if I find a girl I liked. He was surprisingly very open to that idea. Then I found my reliable "super star" and talked her into taking the both of us. Once we got into the room, I told her to work on my friend first. She started sucking him and about a minute or 2 he busted a nut in her mouth, without even asking or telling her. LOL! I was laughing my ass off and it also got me really excited. Watching her take a fat load in the mouth from an old man that probably didn't cum for months if not years was something to be experienced. Her facial expressions, the noises she makes, and her continued effort to suck out the last drop. These are sights that I usually miss because I'm too busy cumming a fat load myself. But having someone else doing the cumming allows me to savor these facial and body expressions from a 3rd person perspective that was impossible before.
It was at that moment, I realized I've reached a different level on my FKK journey LOL!
ExpatLover
01-25-21, 16:24
The airline industry has taken a massive hit and post covid will continue to suffer. Businesses have shifted away from person to person meetings to online meetings via Zoom, etc. In such an environment airlines cannot increase their prices, they may have to maintain their fares or even reduce. Competition will see to that. Same for hotels. The leisure and entertainment industries (except Pornhub, Netflix and the like) will suffer the most post covid. Major changes are coming.You are probably right, the question when will it be post covid, it looks like that more and more there are doubts about the vaccine efficiency specially against the Brazil or south African variants, Manaus had also reached a herd immunity of 70% and now is again hardly hit with the new variant, not really encouraging, even Pfister is speaking today about a new shot which will be needed to better protect the people. In Europe the situation is getting worse and worse and probably France will go for the 3rd lockdown Thursday. I am afraid that we will have to live many years with that covid and the different variants and that there will not be a unique remedy like for the normal flue which we were able to put under control.
Mongerer88
01-25-21, 18:04
I don't think you folks are focusing enough on the role of discount airlines in creating price havoc the last few years.
Their existence created overcapacity on many international routes and the big carriers price matched to an extent.
The lower prices also gave incentive for the big airlines to make a lot of seats available for award mileage redemption, including coveted business class seats, on USA To Europe routes. And incidentally the gap in comfort / service between business class has widened over the years. The experience of a lie-flat business class seat is phenomenal versus the recliner type business seat of years ago. Similarly, airlines once had international seat configurations in coach class decades ago that gave more legroom than domestic seat configurations, but that is no longer the case.
Many discounters have gone out of business during Covid and won't come back. With a lack of pricing competition from low-cost carriers, the major airlines may not offer competitive international fares for years to come. And they also won't offer many business class seats at the lowest award redemption levels. And many Americans have been accumulating frequent flier miles the past year via credit card sign-ups and spending, but have not been redeeming those miles. So their will be natural inflation that occurs when the miles build up, but seat availability does not.
And while governments may offer subsidies to encourage travel, I think it will be geared toward hotels and restaurants. Why would the USA Subsidize international air travel for Americans? They would rather Americans travel to the Grand Canyon instead of Europe. If my hypothesis is correct, local Europeans will be glad that Americans who primarily purchase commercial sex overseas will not arrive en masse with the money they have been saving, and drive up European prices. But I am skeptical that we will see easy availability in terms of affordable travel, especially in business class, from the USA To Europe in the near future.
The wild card is if the USA Is able to vaccinate its population sooner than most of Europe, and travel is opened to the vaccinated, prior to most everyone being vaccinated. Their will be a sweet spot where there are more airline seats available than travelers eligible to travel. That could create favorable short-term pricing consequences.
The airline industry has taken a massive hit and post covid will continue to suffer. Businesses have shifted away from person to person meetings to online meetings via Zoom, etc. In such an environment airlines cannot increase their prices, they may have to maintain their fares or even reduce. Competition will see to that. Same for hotels. The leisure and entertainment industries (except Pornhub, Netflix and the like) will suffer the most post covid. Major changes are coming.Many airlines had dirt cheap airfares in summer prior to the second peak. It seems they are experimenting with pricing at the opposite end. In #18605, the link I provided is from December 30th. It states that for March 2021 departures, business class is currently 70 percent higher, and economy class is 18 percent higher. Even the author seems baffled by their current pricing, noting that in the fall, there was a 20 percent decrease in demand for business class:
"So for now, the airlines have raised their 2021 prices to make up for the lack of demand. But if demand stays low, expect them to fall."
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/winter-aviation-covid-airlines/index.html..Like WGs, airlines can be extremely irrational with their pricing and at other times extremely calculated. If you read sites like thepointsguy, the airlines base everything on algorithms and categorize each seat accordingly. Even if they have five empty business class seats six hours before take off, the airline may only offer upgrades to three people. And each of those will be charged for that upgrade differently based on their status. The airline deliberately leaves one or two business class seats empty on the off chance that some last minute bookings come in. Algorithms probably tell them that their is a 10 percent chance that they could make $7000 profit on a last minute booking and a 90 percent chance that seat goes empty and they make $0. The airlines are fine rolling the dice.
A Sharks WG might run those same calculations in her head at 03:00 during a busy Messe weekend. There may be a recognizable face, and she knows that he usually does 50 EUR rooms. She may refuse that cheap charlie, and just smoke with her friends, absolutely fine with making zero EUR those last two hours of her shift. Because she knows there is a 10 percent that some fresh-meat, clueless business traveller arrives last minute, who she can more easily overcharge. Isn't that what airlines do? Take advantage of the desperate? If you were on day five of an eight day trip and had to take the first flight back home due to a family emergency, you think the airline would give you a discount? (assuming you had no status).
That said, some WGs, who are currently working out of hotels, are adopting other "airline strategies". These WGs are overbooking themselves with the knowledge that a small percentage will no show. If both clients actually show up resulting in an overlap, she will make one of them wait in his car. Again she's doing mental calculations. If she knows the monger drove one hour to the booking and he is not a married guy who has to rush back home to the wife, then she can probably get away with making him wait 30-60 minutes.
I don't think you folks are focusing enough on the role of discount airlines in creating price havoc the last few years.
Their existence created overcapacity on many international routes and the big carriers price matched to an extent.In #18605 I mentioned role of discount carriers (Ryanair, Wizzair, WOW Air, Norwegian Air). The consensus seems to be that the prices for international airfares will go up. We were just looking for glimmers of hope, and trying to imagine scenarios where these price hikes won't be too steep or permanent.
Many discounters have gone out of business during Covid and won't come back. With a lack of pricing competition from low-cost carriers, the major airlines may not offer competitive international fares for years to come.With discounters going out of business, shouldn't there be excess aircraft and unemployed pilots? If government is able to remove bureaucratic red tape and find ways to encourage investors, why couldn't new discount airlines enter the picture?
Why would the USA Subsidize international air travel for Americans? They would rather Americans travel to the Grand Canyon instead of Europe.Not only should USA encourage Americans to travel to the Grand Canyon, they should also encourage Chinese, Europeans, Russians, Japanese tourists to visit the Grand Canyon.
Italian businesses have been courting Chinese shoppers for years. Probably a third of all Prada, Gucci, and LV bags are purchased by Chinese tourists. The 19-24 percent VAT (sales tax) is already waived for tourists outside of the EU, but I believe you are required to fill out paperwork at the airport. What if they waived that? Governments could also waive tourist visa fees.
Whether it is a consortium of local businesses or local governments, isn't it common to subsidize costs to encourage tourists to visit? Las Vegas already does this, but do they only do that for domestic tourists? "An Italian island will pay for your flights and hotel in new scheme to encourage tourists to return": https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/11473712/italy-sicily-free-holiday-hotel-flights/.
I remember seeing weekly at Bruggen be choices for 75/60 but often sitting on stool, when stars who worked for 100/60 and not less, were always full busy. Easy, just have to be able to understand all girls don't worth same rate. Beauties for 100/60 is good deal for me, when I won't even pay 50 for 90% of FKK WGs, because not pretty enough, or not attractive behavior, too prostitute, not enough charm. Each one own tastes of course, when many guys don't feel good with beauties, but I look only for.
Mongerer88
01-26-21, 01:26
In #18605 I mentioned role of discount carriers (Ryanair, Wizzair, WOW Air, Norwegian Air). The consensus seems to be that the prices for international airfares will go up. We were just looking for glimmers of hope, and trying to imagine scenarios where these price hikes won't be too steep or permanent.
With discounters going out of business, shouldn't there be excess aircraft and unemployed pilots? If government is able to remove bureaucratic red tape and find ways to encourage investors, why couldn't new discount airlines enter the picture?
Not only should USA encourage Americans to travel to the Grand Canyon, they should also encourage Chinese, Europeans, Russians, Japanese tourists to visit the Grand Canyon.
Italian businesses have been courting Chinese shoppers for years. Probably a third of all Prada, Gucci, and LV bags are purchased by Chinese tourists. The 19-24 percent VAT (sales tax) is already waived for tourists outside of the EU, but I believe you are required to fill out paperwork at the airport. What if they waived that? Governments could also waive tourist visa fees.Hopefully it works out that way.
My concern is that we enter a period of classic Those With Capital Have No Ambition and Those With Ambition Have No Capital.
Perhaps that is a bit misdirected, though. Most budget carriers rely on filling their planes to the max. If there is a belief that international business traffic will not return to a significant level, I think it will be difficult for investors to back new budget airlines. I think this is going to be made worse by the loans that governments have made to the large flagship carriers. Why would governments subsidize new low-cost carriers when they stand the best chance of being repaid with existing large carriers being able to charge significant fares? And there will be a large number of American travelers who saved up vacation funds during the pandemic without actually vacationing. I think they will pay $1,500 - $2,000 each for tickets to Europe, the major carriers will fill that sweet spot of 75-85 percent capacity, but the overall demand will not be significant enough to allow a resurgence of low-cost carriers to enter the market for a few years, and we won't see the bargain fares and the nice availability of business class seats at low mileage award levels like we did the last few years. But I could be very much wrong. I didn't think the stock markets would soar like they have during the pandemic, and I tend to be a pessimist.
So hopefully your forecast analysis will be more accurate than mine.
It's difficult to tell, it also depends of the number of clubs closing for good.
But more important, it also depends of the attitude of the guys.
For example, I related before the story of the German girl Olivia in GT who first asked for 100 euros / hour but took 75 euros without problems when I reminded her it was the club price.
But you can see that this dude was upsold by the same girl despite being a regular, only because he didn't dare to remind her the rules.
So when the clubs will reopen, if all the customers are so desperate to have sex that they'll accept every conditions, yes the prices will increase. You just need to have some balls and to be ready to say 'no'.I think it will be more like change of the ownership of some FKK clubs than closing for good because I imagine the license to operate FKK clubs are hard to obtain, so lucrative thing to sell!?
BigBuddy69
01-26-21, 07:03
I think it will be more like change of the ownership of some FKK clubs than closing for good because I imagine the license to operate FKK clubs are hard to obtain, so lucrative thing to sell!?It depends if the pandemic comes to an end soon because no one will invest in a club if the club stays closed during two thirds of the year.
You are probably right, the question when will it be post covid, it looks like that more and more there are doubts about the vaccine efficiency specially against the Brazil or south African variants, Manaus had also reached a herd immunity of 70% and now is again hardly hit with the new variant, not really encouraging, even Pfister is speaking today about a new shot which will be needed to better protect the people. In Europe the situation is getting worse and worse and probably France will go for the 3rd lockdown Thursday. I am afraid that we will have to live many years with that covid and the different variants and that there will not be a unique remedy like for the normal flue which we were able to put under control.I have already made my estimation. I won't think about travelling this year. I will probably start to think about travelling in summer, 2022. I will probably actually travel some time in 2023.
Are FKK Clubs open? If not, do anyone know when they will open?
I have already made my estimation. I won't think about travelling this year. I will probably start to think about travelling in summer, 2022. I will probably actually travel some time in 2023.I hope to do some domestic travel this year. Then hopefully international in 2022.
Are FKK Clubs open? If not, do anyone know when they will open?4 in Switzerland, until 7 pm. 1 is only direkt zimmer.
If there is a belief that international business traffic will not return to a significant level, I think it will be difficult for investors to back new budget airlines. I think this is going to be made worse by the loans that governments have made to the large flagship carriers. Why would governments subsidize new low-cost carriers when they stand the best chance of being repaid with existing large carriers being able to charge significant fares? I believe there is a real possibility that "business travel" will not return to a significant level, but I imagine that the demand for leisure will return to normal levels. I would assume that over 95 percent of people on a budget airline are leisure travellers. Ryanair is a budget airline that is the most profitable in Europe. But to your point, long-haul budget airlines haven't been able to replicate the success of Ryanair using no-frills, ancillary services business model.
And there will be a large number of American travelers who saved up vacation funds during the pandemic without actually vacationing. I think they will pay $1,500 - $2,000 each for tickets to Europe, the major carriers will fill that sweet spot of 75-85 percent capacity, but the overall demand will not be significant enough to allow a resurgence of low-cost carriers to enter the market for a few years, and we won't see the bargain fares and the nice availability of business class seats at low mileage award levels like we did the last few years. But I could be very much wrong. I didn't think the stock markets would soar like they have during the pandemic, and I tend to be a pessimist.
So hopefully your forecast analysis will be more accurate than mine.TBH, I am not that confident in my forecast. Mostly just optimism.
Some interesting statistics on USA outbound travel. Broken down by reason for travel, age range, state of residence, destination, ethnicity, and much more. Perhaps someone can find insights in there.
https://www.beyondsummits.com/sites/default/files/downloads/reports/%E7%BE%8E%E5%9B%BD%E5%87%BA%E5%A2%83%E6%B8%B8%E5%B8%82%E5%9C%BA%E7%A0%94%E7%A9%B6%E6%8A%A5%E5%91%8A%EF%BC%88%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E7%89%88%EF%BC%89.pdf
https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpages/download_data_table/2019-Outbound-Overseas.xlsx
https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpages/download_data_table/2010_Outbound_Profile.pdf
https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpages/download_data_table/2019-Outbound-Europe.xlsx
It depends if the pandemic comes to an end soon because no one will invest in a club if the club stays closed during two thirds of the year.That is one way to look at it, but it is good to buy not now, but soon as it is expected to open at least in 2022, so those surviving cost can be deducted from the investment amount, why 2022, well that is the are one has to gamble as investment has some gambling nature to it unfortunately!
2021, we will partly live with pandemic I think. But nobody knows! Vaccines thing is very promising news!
I hope to do some domestic travel this year. Then hopefully international in 2022.Bring back some good old Americana, just do not monger there, 2021 is make a good use of your illusion and your right hand LOL!
In 2022. You will be in promise land, putting it in her mouth LOL!
I believe there is a real possibility that "business travel" will not return to a significant level, but I imagine that the demand for leisure will return to normal levels. I would assume that over 95 percent of people on a budget airline are leisure travellers. Ryanair is a budget airline that is the most profitable in Europe. But to your point, long-haul budget airlines haven't been able to replicate the success of Ryanair using no-frills, ancillary services business model.
TBH, I am not that confident in my forecast. Mostly just optimism.No numbers here to back up my suspicions, just anecdotes and assumptions. I would say that in comparison to business travel, the numbers for intercontinental travel would skew more towards leisure travel than American domestic and EU transcontinental flights. I know that I find that the average price of tickets from US to Europe are much more heavily discounted in the winter months than for domestic tickets. That observation is reinforced by the observation that intercontinental travel prices in the winter do briefly rise around the Christmas travel season due to increased personal / leisure travel. The reasoning for the price fluctuation pattern I suspect to be that business travel volume fluctuates less during summer holiday months than leisure travel volume. If that assumption is correct and with the fact that the upper middle class (the group that does the bulk of international leisure travel) have actually saved a lot of money during this pandemic, perhaps the prediction that international travel can come back with much less loss in revenue than domestic travel and thus less change in prices would prove to be accurate.
I think one major problem with discount carriers not being able to make the leap into the intercontinental travel market is the unavoidable international travel and airport fees. Once I booked a crazy cheap US-Paris flight on Delta for $345. When looking at the price breakdown of the ticket, I saw that taxes and fees were around $400 and the actual ticket price being $75. At face value, the cost of the ticket was $475. Then I noticed that I received an airline status holder rebate that dropped my cost to under $350. Point is, if fees are set at such a high amount, I'm not sure if there is a way to cut frills and amenities enough to allow discount carriers to offer prices low enough to both lure discount travelers while also covering expense of operation to break even, much less be profitable. If Ryan Air was to offer $500 tickets, why would I choose them over a legacy carrier plane that might only be $50-$100 more, if at all? I routinely find winter tickets with legacy carriers for less than $600. If regulatory and airport fees set an overhead at $400, there's not much room for these discount guys to find their place in the market. The only possible business model I see is if they offered seasonal flights at discount prices in the summer to siphon some of the high profit margin summer tickets from the legacy carriers.
I have already made my estimation. I won't think about travelling this year. I will probably start to think about travelling in summer, 2022. I will probably actually travel some time in 2023.And we say this every year now LOL Last year was summer 2021, this year is summer 2022 LOL!
I believe there is a real possibility that "business travel" will not return to a significant level, but I imagine that the demand for leisure will return to normal levels. I would assume that over 95 percent of people on a budget airline are leisure travellers. Ryanair is a budget airline that is the most profitable in Europe. But to your point, long-haul budget airlines haven't been able to replicate the success of Ryanair using no-frills, ancillary services business model.
TBH, I am not that confident in my forecast. Mostly just optimism.
Some interesting statistics on USA outbound travel. Broken down by reason for travel, age range, state of residence, destination, ethnicity, and much more. Perhaps someone can find insights in there.
https://www.beyondsummits.com/sites/default/files/downloads/reports/%E7%BE%8E%E5%9B%BD%E5%87%BA%E5%A2%83%E6%B8%B8%E5%B8%82%E5%9C%BA%E7%A0%94%E7%A9%B6%E6%8A%A5%E5%91%8A%EF%BC%88%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E7%89%88%EF%BC%89.pdf
https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpages/download_data_table/2019-Outbound-Overseas.xlsx
https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpages/download_data_table/2010_Outbound_Profile.pdf
https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpages/download_data_table/2019-Outbound-Europe.xlsxSpeaking of budget airlines has anyone got a refund from a budget airline for covid cancelled travel?
BigBuddy69
01-27-21, 15:45
Speaking of budget airlines has anyone got a refund from a budget airline for covid cancelled travel?I got refunds from easyjet and eurowings for flights within Europe.
Bring back some good old Americana, just do not monger there, 2021 is make a good use of your illusion and your right hand LOL!
In 2022. You will be in promise land, putting it in her mouth LOL!Side note, hasn't Brazil and Colombia been basically open the entire time? Thinking guys who really need to scratch that itch could be a little flexible and head there instead.
Even though I'm confident that most western nations are at the peak of cases and suspect that the worst is behind us (with perhaps a week or so for peak deaths to catch up), expecting complete normalcy in the next 6 months might be a fool's run.
Cases won't just drop to near zero in only a month or two. Unless governments maintain a strict lockdown, cases will probably just see a slow dwindle with deaths lagging behind. With policy and execution lagging behind even longer, and the even longer period to wait for behavior changes, it will definitely be several months to open much less fill the clubs.
Too much can happen between now and 2022 so it would be difficult to predict so far out but unless there is a very specific mutation at the vaccine binding site, and said mutation does not alter the ability for the virus to still be pathogenic, it's not so likely that we will have a continuation of 2020 that far out.
No numbers here to back up my suspicions, just anecdotes and assumptions. I would say that in comparison to business travel, the numbers for intercontinental travel would skew more towards leisure travel than American domestic and EU transcontinental flights. I know that I find that the average price of tickets from US to Europe are much more heavily discounted in the winter months than for domestic tickets. That observation is reinforced by the observation that intercontinental travel prices in the winter do briefly rise around the Christmas travel season due to increased personal / leisure travel. The reasoning for the price fluctuation pattern I suspect to be that business travel volume fluctuates less during summer holiday months than leisure travel volume..Statistics that I found do not break down business versus leisure, but the peak travel month from USA to Europe is June. The least busiest months in order are: February, January, November, December. I was surprised to see that more Americans travel to Europe than to Canada, especially since the two biggest Canadian cities can be reached by car from the most populous city, NYC. https://travel.trade.gov/view/m-2019-O-001/index.html.
If Ryan Air was to offer $500 tickets, why would I choose them over a legacy carrier plane that might only be $50-$100 more, if at all? I routinely find winter tickets with legacy carriers for less than $600. If regulatory and airport fees set an overhead at $400, there's not much room for these discount guys to find their place in the market. The only possible business model I see is if they offered seasonal flights at discount prices in the summer to siphon some of the high profit margin summer tickets from the legacy carriers.Around 2007, Ryanair flirted with idea of long haul, but now they are firmly against the idea: https://simpleflying.com/ryanair-long-haul-low-cost/.
IDK if Lufthansa's subsidiary Eurowings still operates long-haul, low cost flights, but I remember a German WG told me that she had taken a Eurowings flight 2-3 years ago to USA. I do not remember the exact price, but I think it was 350-450 EUR. She had transitioned to a regular job following the 2017 laws, and so her schedule was more rigid. If her dates had been flexible, then she could have found a cheaper ticket with a legacy carrier.
I got refunds from easyjet and eurowings for flights within Europe.You may get refunds from some LCC, but you ain't getting refund from any tutes in FKK LOL!
I was surprised to see that more Americans travel to Europe than to Canada, especially since the two biggest Canadian cities can be reached by car from the most populous city, NYC. https://travel.trade.gov/view/m-2019-O-001/index.html.
IDK if Lufthansa's subsidiary Eurowings still operates long-haul, low cost flights, but I remember a German WG told me that she had taken a Eurowings flight 2-3 years ago to USA. I do not remember the exact price, but I think it was 350-450 EUR. She had transitioned to a regular job following the 2017 laws, and so her schedule was more rigid. If her dates had been flexible, then she could have found a cheaper ticket with a legacy carrier.Oh, Toronto and Montreal are not super exciting cities to visit. They're nice cities and all but not exactly destination cities, and definitely not in the winter.
Also consider that it's a 6+ hours drive from NYC to Montreal and 7+ hours to Toronto. You can hop on a flight to Amsterdam, Paris, Lisbon, or Madrid for about the same flight time.
Most US travelers go to Mexico. Makes sense to me with the cheap beer, cheap resorts, cheap hookers.
Explosion in her mouth cost you 50! LOL!
And we say this every year now LOL Last year was summer 2021, this year is summer 2022 LOL!Not so. Last year I said that 2020 was the year of the pandemic. 2021 is the year of recovery. 2022 will be the year of getting back to normal and 2023 would be normal.
I got refunds from easyjet and eurowings for flights within Europe.I am yet to get my refund from Condor.
HammerTime96
01-28-21, 15:48
Not so. Last year I said that 2020 was the year of the pandemic. 2021 is the year of recovery. 2022 will be the year of getting back to normal and 2023 would be normal.Ah, so now it's 2022 and 2023? / sarc.
I've written this before, but I wonder how many FKK clubs have already quietly either pulled the plug or have gone bankrupt.
Not so. Last year I said that 2020 was the year of the pandemic. 2021 is the year of recovery. 2022 will be the year of getting back to normal and 2023 would be normal.Do you believe in Santa Claus too?
Not so. Last year I said that 2020 was the year of the pandemic. 2021 is the year of recovery. 2022 will be the year of getting back to normal and 2023 would be normal.2024 is told for international flights back to nearly normal, but if France will help air France, I think US will do same for US companies, I don't worry for aeroflot, but I think many companies should fall, because even not flying but planes cost very expensive. Now, no more flights to Israel at the moment, Germany is thinking about no international flights entering. Belgium closed borders. So many planes sleep, but cost a lot expensive for service.
I am yet to get my refund from Condor.If this helps, after 6 months of unsuccessfully waiting for correspondence from British Airways, I contested the charge through my Credit Card company in which the the refund was processed in 48 hours. It was even outside the timeframe per credit card company policy yet they still successfully contested the charge citing pandemic circumstances.
Not so. Last year I said that 2020 was the year of the pandemic. 2021 is the year of recovery. 2022 will be the year of getting back to normal and 2023 would be normal.2021 is not recovery phase yet LOL! Tokyo Olympic should be canceled or move to 2024 as France do not have enough money to do good Olympic for 2024 plus the construction in Paris is stopped, so they won't be ready properly with their limited technology in construction and their lack of money to do proper Olympic.
If this helps, after 6 months of unsuccessfully waiting for correspondence from British Airways, I contested the charge through my Credit Card company in which the the refund was processed in 48 hours. It was even outside the timeframe per credit card company policy yet they still successfully contested the charge citing pandemic circumstances.Consider airlines as your fundamental partner who carry your penis from USA to Germany, so you can penetrate your penis into these tutes holes LOL!
Airlines enable your penis to become flying penis LOL!
Construction stopped in Paris? When I never stopped, working outside in cold under virus, for safety for teams, can t work with computer from bed under covid but have to be on the field much more often than usual, to prevent risks, and to make my money, when I m not paid by French government to stay at home. I would lose too much money and my job if I was not able to make it work.
2021 is not recovery phase yet LOL! Tokyo Olympic should be canceled or move to 2024 as France do not have enough money to do good Olympic for 2024 plus the construction in Paris is stopped, so they won't be ready properly with their limited technology in construction and their lack of money to do proper Olympic.It will be difficult to have Olympics in a recovery year.
If this helps, after 6 months of unsuccessfully waiting for correspondence from British Airways, I contested the charge through my Credit Card company in which the the refund was processed in 48 hours. It was even outside the timeframe per credit card company policy yet they still successfully contested the charge citing pandemic circumstances.Thanks. However, I think it would be much more difficult to get a refund from Condor than a more established airline like BA.
Have any of you guys been described as anaconda by FKK girls?
ExpatLover
01-29-21, 17:52
Have any of you guys been described as anaconda by FKK girls?Happen to me may times, but I don t think it is the reality, for the escorts it change nothing they just ask to go slowly, or when doing anal they say it is the maximum that they can take and ask me to be very careful, in FKK most of the girls use this excuse to decrease their services by saying I have pain, you are too big.
BigBuddy69
01-29-21, 19:29
Have any of you guys been described as anaconda by FKK girls?Almost every time.
Thanks. However, I think it would be much more difficult to get a refund from Condor than a more established airline like BA.Oh it has nothing to do with the airline. Make use of credit card "chargebacks. " Initiate a refund though your Credit card company assuming you purchased your ticket using one. Most US based credit card companies will credit you the purchase price, then it's on the vendor to prove that they delivered the service. Most credit card companies cater to the consumer, giving the vendor the burden of proof.
Have any of you guys been described as anaconda by FKK girls?It gets the same amount of use as "Where you go baby?" Other classic terms / phrases I miss hearing: Pinocchio, Arrogante, tip?, "You have fire baby?" or personally, "Knee-How, Come here China. Japon?
Or Sylvan / Donatella coming and offering to give me her famous Sperm Volcano.
Have any of you guys been described as anaconda by FKK girls?FKK land seem to be small pussies and many finger size. When you have really something, I promise you have to be able to adapt, to prepare the girl, to make her trust you, and to be really careful not to hurt her. Very different than real life where women seem to prefer to feel inside of them, but they are not fucked many times per day, even I remember a sex marathon with a divorcing but not yet, little mum who told me when we met she refused sex to her husband, but we started on Saturday evening, we didn't sleep, no shower, just fast drink and eat, until mid Sunday, so many times, unforgettable time. And as I improved my performances for extreme free ride and climbing, I'm pretty sure I still could, with no need of Viagra or same, but just passion and desire.
Happen to me may times, but I don t think it is the reality, for the escorts it change nothing they just ask to go slowly, or when doing anal they say it is the maximum that they can take and ask me to be very careful, in FKK most of the girls use this excuse to decrease their services by saying I have pain, you are too big.Alwo, I think it's a nicer way to say NO to anal without immediately pushing you to the next girl. Somehow inside you you think, OK maybe she'll change her mind. My German girl started with "as long as you don't have an anaconda, then tried to do the sweet smile. She lifted the towel, gave it a nice pat and then said, OK anaconda, sorry it's cute but too much for anal. I almost decided to go to the next girl when I started to feel a nice rapport with the lady (or maybe just the erection? So instead of a "sorry, maybe I'll see you later this evening", she got a sale!
Consider airlines as your fundamental partner who carry your penis from USA to Germany, so you can penetrate your penis into these tutes holes LOL!
Airlines enable your penis to become flying penis LOL!Airlines make my penis into GPS guided bomb aimed directly into €50 tutes holes.
Smoke Light
01-30-21, 03:24
Have any of you guys been described as anaconda by FKK girls?Yes, usually after I disrobe and she has a first look, regardless whether I already have erection or not (most of the time I don't). And it happens more with girls that are sort of enthusiastic about the job.
It will be difficult to have Olympics in a recovery year.The Olympic that many of us here never wanted as we are not in need of it beside some construction giants and political interests group making money out of it!
Anyways, I care more about FKK than Olympic LOL! I do daily fitness, but I do not care about who run faster or throw things further etc LOL.
Have any of you guys been described as anaconda by FKK girls?Everyone: "yeah, girls say that to everyone. Good sales technique."
One sucker: "yes, I am anaconda."
Alwo, I think it's a nicer way to say NO to anal without immediately pushing you to the next girl. Somehow inside you you think, OK maybe she'll change her mind. My German girl started with "as long as you don't have an anaconda, then tried to do the sweet smile. She lifted the towel, gave it a nice pat and then said, OK anaconda, sorry it's cute but too much for anal. I almost decided to go to the next girl when I started to feel a nice rapport with the lady (or maybe just the erection? So instead of a "sorry, maybe I'll see you later this evening", she got a sale!At Globe, anal is 200 CHF, so a girl could propose me, if I entered only 1 minute inside her ass, I would have to pay on desk extra 200 more than time spent in room and I m pretty sure I would need long time to prepare her, needing at least to put 3 fingers to open her enough, so it will make at least 270 CHF for her, but none never proposed me, even I m pretty sure some provide. Same in other clubs, when anal is 100 € in Hessen, but I m a unlucky guy, when I need to prepare them to enter in pussy. Sometimes, even I m not first of their day, or I remember with Raďssa at World on Saturday 20 June 2015 on late night at 3 am, I feel like they are so tight virgin, even they were busy. Finger size are easier, and also saving pussy.
Alwo, I think it's a nicer way to say NO to anal without immediately pushing you to the next girl. Somehow inside you you think, OK maybe she'll change her mind. My German girl started with "as long as you don't have an anaconda, then tried to do the sweet smile. She lifted the towel, gave it a nice pat and then said, OK anaconda, sorry it's cute but too much for anal. I almost decided to go to the next girl when I started to feel a nice rapport with the lady (or maybe just the erection? So instead of a "sorry, maybe I'll see you later this evening", she got a sale!If you really want anal, never go with a girl who says "maybe" and / or "if it's not too big". I have learned from experience that these types are not committed to providing anal, and they just try to get you on the hook for a session, then decline to provide anal when you get into the room. Tip from an anal connoisseur.
Mr. Ho,
No need to jack it when you can enjoy a sex packet! It's a little pill wrapped in a piece of paper. Three for 1,360 yen. So nice! It's so real, it's so real, it's so real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peB1w_zg0A8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3A45LQkInM
Alwo, I think it's a nicer way to say NO to anal without immediately pushing you to the next girl. Somehow inside you you think, OK maybe she'll change her mind. My German girl started with "as long as you don't have an anaconda, then tried to do the sweet smile. She lifted the towel, gave it a nice pat and then said, OK anaconda, sorry it's cute but too much for anal. I almost decided to go to the next girl when I started to feel a nice rapport with the lady (or maybe just the erection? So instead of a "sorry, maybe I'll see you later this evening", she got a sale!Is there some sort of world wide network of prostitutes? Way back in 1975 I visited Barbados for a two week holiday. While there I visited their RLD called Nelson street. It was there where a prostitute from the Dominican Republic first described me as anaconda, I was amused by the description. In subsequent visits when she and her friends saw me they would say 'here comes anaconda'. Well how is it that a Romanian provider in an FKK thousands of miles away in the 2000's would call a well hung John anaconda?
Is there some sort of world wide network of prostitutes? Way back in 1975 I visited Barbados for a two week holiday. While there I visited their RLD called Nelson street. It was there where a prostitute from the Dominican Republic first described me as anaconda, I was amused by the description. In subsequent visits when she and her friends saw me they would say 'here comes anaconda'. Well how is it that a Romanian provider in an FKK thousands of miles away in the 2000's would call a well hung John anaconda?They all say anaconda, I think most mongers have heard that.
Airlines make my penis into GPS guided bomb aimed directly into 50 tutes holes.Yes, my dick becomes a "heat seeking missile" in search of those tight tute pussies and warm butt holes.
Mr. Ho,
No need to jack it when you can enjoy a sex packet! It's a little pill wrapped in a piece of paper. Three for 1,360 yen. So nice! It's so real, it's so real, it's so real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peB1w_zg0A8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3A45LQkInMHaha, yeah but I love my wanking hole and I got plenty of memories and nice SNS photos of tutes before they erased me from their friends list LOL!
I like the tune of the prelude more of the link, the first link that is, but second links lyrics do crack me up LOL! Digital under ground, golden 80's when hip hop began to go into main stream, I grew up with NWA, and I am glad Dr Dre recovered from his recent illness!
They all say anaconda, I think most mongers have heard that.Second that, it is best excuse they use not to penetrate all the way during anal or cut the anal session short, but I do it anyways all the way, I tell her pain is love LOL!
Prostitutes in FKK say many things to make mongers feel good, some mongers are naive to trust them without even realizing that they are. It is a method to keep mongers coming back to them and it works LOL!
However, having your ground solid in FKK can get you among best sex one could ask for! I must say, you tune those prostitutes in FKK in right, these prostitutes are so good at their BBBJ, rim job among other technique, they are like horse, you have to break them in and tune them in to what you want and what you want them to do for you and they will do it, but being just nice and sweet can get you limited session that you think it is good, but nothing comparison to what you could have had, you must be tough and bit rough with these prostitutes and wow I do not believe she just did session will be rewarded LOL!
A wise monger once told me this and I like what he said, "In brothel, one has to act like a working girl too".
Everyone: "yeah, girls say that to everyone. Good sales technique."
One sucker: "yes, I am anaconda."Haha, yeah some mongers are so naive to believe too much into what prostitute say or show in FKK LOL. It is merely a sales talk / show, but some mongers are too blind in love with prostitutes LOL!
Is there some sort of world wide network of prostitutes? Way back in 1975 I visited Barbados for a two week holiday. While there I visited their RLD called Nelson street. It was there where a prostitute from the Dominican Republic first described me as anaconda, I was amused by the description. In subsequent visits when she and her friends saw me they would say 'here comes anaconda'. Well how is it that a Romanian provider in an FKK thousands of miles away in the 2000's would call a well hung John anaconda?Yes, there is, I think if you are a FKK goer, I am sure you came across this special gang of prostitutes who claim to be from Spain or Italy, but speak fluent Romanian language LOL! They dominate FKK line up for almost a decade now or more LOL!
But good thing is that many of them are pretty and suck good and fuck good and lick good among other things, they do it all for mighty euro LOL!
ExpatLover
01-31-21, 07:04
Second that, it is best excuse they use not to penetrate all the way during anal or cut the anal session short, but I do it anyways all the way, I tell her pain is love LOL!
Prostitutes in FKK say many things to make mongers feel good, some mongers are naive to trust them without even realizing that they are. It is a method to keep mongers coming back to them and it works LOL!
However, having your ground solid in FKK can get you among best sex one could ask for! I must say, you tune those prostitutes in FKK in right, these prostitutes are so good at their BBBJ, rim job among other technique, they are like horse, you have to break them in and tune them in to what you want and what you want them to do for you and they will do it, but being just nice and sweet can get you limited session that you think it is good, but nothing comparison to what you could have had, you must be tough and bit rough with these prostitutes and wow I do not believe she just did session will be rewarded LOL!
A wise monger once told me this and I like what he said, "In brothel, one has to act like a working girl too".It is not at all my behavior, I am never rude in my life and will not start with a prostitute, if she doesn't want it is fine for me I will not go further. In FKK mostly what you get is linked with how much you spend with the girl, if you go many times with her, for many hours you will get a far better service than in a first 50 euro session, even some girls will let you do anal what they usually don't do.
They all say anaconda....They all say anaconda? You have certainly burst my bubble. There was I thinking I was special. Only about one in ten call me that.
If all the girls call you anaconda you gotta be packing something enormous!
They all say anaconda? You have certainly burst my bubble. There was I thinking I was special. Only about one in ten call me that.
If all the girls call you anaconda you gotta be packing something enormous!Facts are so much more interesting than words in this land of lies, I trust so much more facts and reactions. I like when prettiest girls don t ask all money they could, nor trying to propose extra services I m pretty sure they provide depending on size, when extra and grocery are so killing desire for me, I hate money talk with prostitutes, I m much more excited by women images. I m pretty sure they call many anaconda, but under shower talk, furthermore for those still up under viagra or those lost in the bush, making a hole in paper as tell girls. Really usual to experience girls are not used to what I would call quite normal, when you see 1,75,55 kgs, eyes, when You enter in them, sometimes can see fear, holding your arms with high tension, before relaxing when feeling how You are careful and taking time to open her. Their eyes talk more reliable than most of their words and so much more enjoyable to see their reactions.
It is not at all my behavior, I am never rude in my life and will not start with a prostitute, if she doesn't want it is fine for me I will not go further. In FKK mostly what you get is linked with how much you spend with the girl, if you go many times with her, for many hours you will get a far better service than in a first 50 euro session, even some girls will let you do anal what they usually don't do.It is not about rudeness though, in land of FKK, one has to have your ground, if not, they will control the session as they want, so I do demand what I want and I make sure I get it, so far, I always got best service out of girls in FKK except one time in Oase, but she was good enough, just not to my level of expectation! I live very deep hardcore sex doing a lot of things, that is my use of FKK, amazing best deep dirty doing everything as I want sex! I am polite, but she will do what I want in room! Some I must go harder, some comes naturally!
Being a puppy boy will lead monger nowhere in FKK, of course some mongers naively see illusions and lies of prostitutes as facts LOL!
In FKK mostly what you get is linked with how much you spend with the girl, if you go many times with her, for many hours you will get a far better service than in a first 50 euro session, even some girls will let you do anal what they usually don't do.This is very true. I would even say frequency of rooms out weighs the length of the rooms. Back in 2014 when I was in my 20's and could finish 10-12 times a day, I would take this one girl 3 maybe 4 times a day for 50 each. On the 4th day she said she will let me fuck her anyway I wanted for just 500 with all extras for the whole day, which turned out to be 12 - 13 hours for me. Looking back now, she wasn't that good of a fuck, but I was too young to understand good service and I was doing most of the work anyways. Then I stayed with her for the rest of the trip because the price was just too good to pass up and optics wise she was about a 7.5/10 in my book. Never saw her again after that trip.
That was an a bit of an extreme case of "good will" from a tute, but there are many girls I do short rooms with that improves quality of service as frequency increases. Maybe they are doing it hoping I would stay with them longer or something.
ExpatLover
02-01-21, 07:03
It is not about rudeness though, in land of FKK, one has to have your ground, if not, they will control the session as they want, so I do demand what I want and I make sure I get it, so far, I always got best service out of girls in FKK except one time in Oase, but she was good enough, just not to my level of expectation! I live very deep hardcore sex doing a lot of things, that is my use of FKK, amazing best deep dirty doing everything as I want sex! I am polite, but she will do what I want in room! Some I must go harder, some comes naturally!
Being a puppy boy will lead monger nowhere in FKK, of course some mongers naively see illusions and lies of prostitutes as facts LOL!I think I was always consistent with myself, with a prostitute I only pay for beauty and the time all the rest is fake for me, starting by the name, I hate this moaning, fake orgasm. I dislike to control the girls even in normal life I like when the things come mutually and naturally. Some girls surprised me by asking to fuck them straightforward in their ass some asked me to be very careful but at the end it is changing what? I think since 2018 I stopped to do any anal in FKK, I hate the smell of the shit on my condom in the small rooms which occurs many times just because the girls can t prepare themselves like with a escort or in normal life.
It is not at all my behavior, I am never rude in my life and will not start with a prostitute, if she doesn't want it is fine for me I will not go further. In FKK mostly what you get is linked with how much you spend with the girl, if you go many times with her, for many hours you will get a far better service than in a first 50 euro session, even some girls will let you do anal what they usually don't do.With my LR Eve. Ro who worked at LR since 3 weeks, when LR was said to be high level for services, she was so low level, despite her previous woman life, when I discovered her, like a virgin who never saw a adult wolf, sitting on the edge of the bed and looking at tool, saying: I can t with my small pussy, when 1,73 and 54 kgs, but she improved following me to become my best, never asking for extra, we never talk about money, only time talked and she weekly came to me when saw me. With Hessen legend wow aura Katalina. Ro, discovery was really magic on April 2016 at Sharks, asking her to extend for a second round when I didn't sleep on 2 previous nights driving more than 2000 kms. I followed her at Globe where she always came to me, when she was Globe busy superstar. I loved all what she was: elegance and grace, really lovely, but didn't find same magic at Globe than on discovery. After seeing her on public exhibition, I stopped like always, refusing few diners with her, not answering to her smiles, but after 20 months, when she smiled to me since 3 pm when she started, I went just to chat with her and I tried again for our best bloody time, I regret she took my robe which was full of her, amazing time for our last and I remember a bit more than 1 month later, she stopped on public as soon seeing me, but too late, but I really would be happy to find her twin with same class. From my more than 1500 rooms with many girls, even I'm a weekly repeating specialist when I succeed to find a beauty on my standard, but when you are not finger size which make frustration with women, then you can't play porn harder because WGs pussies don t have potential, you would hurt them killing their day and they wouldn't repeat with you. Some tell me I m a porn star because of my skill and stamina, I find this quite insulting about my behavior when I have to be careful with most, even some say: now I can't work after you, but none never told I hurt her.
JoeyFeliney
02-01-21, 12:21
In which FKK clubs do the girls have share or open their changing room? So can be shared changing rooms or the changing rooms are open for viewing or to walk in on the enjoy the unwrapping? And the fantasy about being able to walk into the girls locker room? I know they are all going to be walking around naked but watching them having to strip whilst enjoying the view would be great, more so if there is a set shift change over when several come in together or we see them outside going up to get in knowing they are going to get their kit off and be available, so get to mentally undress them before seeing the real thing watching the undies come down. Most guys Fantasy since being in high school and watching in on the cheerleaders etc, only this time can't be ejected or in trouble and they have to continue and shower etc. Like Christmas the unwrapping is part of the fun.
In which FKK clubs do the girls have share or open their changing room? So can be shared changing rooms or the changing rooms are open for viewing or to walk in on the enjoy the unwrapping? And the fantasy about being able to walk into the girls locker room? I know they are all going to be walking around naked but watching them having to strip whilst enjoying the view would be great, more so if there is a set shift change over when several come in together or we see them outside going up to get in knowing they are going to get their kit off and be available, so get to mentally undress them before seeing the real thing watching the undies come down. Most guys Fantasy since being in high school and watching in on the cheerleaders etc, only this time can't be ejected or in trouble and they have to continue and shower etc. Like Christmas the unwrapping is part of the fun.Co-Ed locker room at PSR for sure. Maybe also YY, but can't remember for sure. Locker room is a good place to flirt with the girls for a future score, they are usually relaxed with their guard down and more genuine there.
In which FKK clubs do the girls have share or open their changing room? So can be shared changing rooms or the changing rooms are open for viewing or to walk in on the enjoy the unwrapping? And the fantasy about being able to walk into the girls locker room? I know they are all going to be walking around naked but watching them having to strip whilst enjoying the view would be great, more so if there is a set shift change over when several come in together or we see them outside going up to get in knowing they are going to get their kit off and be available, so get to mentally undress them before seeing the real thing watching the undies come down. Most guys Fantasy since being in high school and watching in on the cheerleaders etc, only this time can't be ejected or in trouble and they have to continue and shower etc. Like Christmas the unwrapping is part of the fun.At Globe or History or GT Vienna, you take shower with girls. At GT Vienna or Bruggen, you can have locker among girls.
This is very true. I would even say frequency of rooms out weighs the length of the rooms. Back in 2014 when I was in my 20's and could finish 10-12 times a day, I would take this one girl 3 maybe 4 times a day for 50 each. On the 4th day she said she will let me fuck her anyway I wanted for just 500 with all extras for the whole day, which turned out to be 12 - 13 hours for me. Looking back now, she wasn't that good of a fuck, but I was too young to understand good service and I was doing most of the work anyways. Then I stayed with her for the rest of the trip because the price was just too good to pass up and optics wise she was about a 7.5/10 in my book. Never saw her again after that trip.
That was an a bit of an extreme case of "good will" from a tute, but there are many girls I do short rooms with that improves quality of service as frequency increases. Maybe they are doing it hoping I would stay with them longer or something.Good deal for 500 for whole day with a beauty, but even taking breakfast for 1 hour when breakfast is the most important meal for sport, lunch for 1 hour and diner for 1 hour, but if foreplaying and fucking for 7/8 hours, I'm afraid she would not want to repeat such sport with me. Usually, girls don't ask me for too long time rooms, I don't have many rooms for longer than 1 h30. You fuck more than in 20's guys many say, when rooms are only for sex for me, I let bullshiting gossiping to others who pay girls for this. Many guys don't have sex in room.
JoeyFeliney
02-02-21, 00:45
Co-Ed locker room at PSR for sure. Maybe also YY, but can't remember for sure. Locker room is a good place to flirt with the girls for a future score, they are usually relaxed with their guard down and more genuine there.Can I have the full names please, don't know what the abbreviations mean.
Can I have the full names please, don't know what the abbreviations mean.PSR Parksauna Residenz in Lohmar DE. YY YinYang sauna club in Limburg NE. Also, I think Siri is also right about GT GoldenTime in Bruggen DE, small locker room but girls galore in there.
In which FKK clubs do the girls have share or open their changing room? So can be shared changing rooms or the changing rooms are open for viewing or to walk in on the enjoy the unwrapping? And the fantasy about being able to walk into the girls locker room? I know they are all going to be walking around naked but watching them having to strip whilst enjoying the view would be great, more so if there is a set shift change over when several come in together or we see them outside going up to get in knowing they are going to get their kit off and be available, so get to mentally undress them before seeing the real thing watching the undies come down. Most guys Fantasy since being in high school and watching in on the cheerleaders etc, only this time can't be ejected or in trouble and they have to continue and shower etc. Like Christmas the unwrapping is part of the fun.GT bruggen and LR upstairs session room (I think there are 2 rooms there) can see the girls changing room! I do not have your fetish, but been to LR upstairs room!
Also globe, you can see girls lockers by the shower upstairs too! But that is nothing special!
I would say LR upstairs is close to your fetish, just ask to session in upstairs room at LR.
PSR Parksauna Residenz in Lohmar DE. YY YinYang sauna club in Limburg NE. Also, I think Siri is also right about GT GoldenTime in Bruggen DE, small locker room but girls galore in there.At YY NL, guys and girls didn't have lockers together, but you could take shower with your girl because shower in rooms, good for erotism to start foreplay under shower, same at Wellcum. At with also shower in rooms. At Bruggen, new girls can have sometimes lockers with guys. I remember Megan watching me with really round eyes washing my tool, for sure she never saw this before, when she might have seen many since April 2017 at Globe. In Freubad, can also take shower with your girl. At Oase, can play with bubbles in outside swimming pool, I remember foreplay with Croatian Alexandra, to have bubbles on her clit, before going to fireworks in room. Erotism, sensuality and foreplay easily surprise these girls who are much more used to just suck and fuck. Some girls who were married or having BF, but knowing nothing about sex, but just being filled to empty balls.
Good deal for 500 for whole day with a beauty, but even taking breakfast for 1 hour when breakfast is the most important meal for sport, lunch for 1 hour and diner for 1 hour, but if foreplaying and fucking for 7/8 hours, I'm afraid she would not want to repeat such sport with me. Usually, girls don't ask me for too long time rooms, I don't have many rooms for longer than 1 h30. You fuck more than in 20's guys many say, when rooms are only for sex for me, I let bullshiting gossiping to others who pay girls for this. Many guys don't have sex in room.Best deal I ever got from a club girl. Now I can only finish 3 - 4 times a day for a couple days then I need a break day. Definitely less sex in rooms, but more foreplay and talking.
My first time visiting a FKK club when I was 22. Very barbaric young man with caveman mentality. Before it was just 15-30 seconds BJ and fuck for 25 minutes then on to the next girl LOL! My first few trips I always wanted to finish at least 10 times a day or I didn't feel like I was getting my money's worth. Very different mentality to today. Didn't slow down to enjoy the intimacy just wanted to fuck as many different holes as possible. Didn't know what was good sex, thought if I fuck her hard for 25 minutes it was good sex LOL! No bullshit, when I was 22 I ran 8 km every day after work then go to the gym all night trying to get a body to impress the girls here in America. I think many young men here went through that experience. Now my work takes up too much time and also I'm getting lazy. If American girls won't fuck me I know where I can fly to!
..... I hate this moaning, fake orgasm.....I like girls in FKK for the absence of loud moaning and fake orgasms. In Asia the girls make too much noise during sex. Loud noises by the girls during sex is a turnoff for me especially when it is fake.
ExpatLover
02-02-21, 15:12
I like girls in FKK for the absence of loud moaning and fake orgasms. In Asia the girls make too much noise during sex. Loud noises by the girls during sex is a turnoff for me especially when it is fake.Some also are moaning in FKK many times I was disturbed by that specially in FKK World during sessions in the rooms downstairs. I only experienced a lot of Chinese girls some are moaning but it is not the majority.
BigBuddy69
02-02-21, 18:03
I would say LR upstairs is close to your fetish, just ask to session in upstairs room at LR.It will be difficult since they don't exist anymore.
No more upstairs rooms at LR since 2018, past is past. Game is to get staff giving you downstairs room where were 2 beds before, but table and couches now, if some got it, when I refused downstairs kino. Maya looked at me with round eyes when desk gave me this key.
Best deal I ever got from a club girl. Now I can only finish 3 - 4 times a day for a couple days then I need a break day. Definitely less sex in rooms, but more foreplay and talking.
My first time visiting a FKK club when I was 22. Very barbaric young man with caveman mentality. Before it was just 15-30 seconds BJ and fuck for 25 minutes then on to the next girl LOL! My first few trips I always wanted to finish at least 10 times a day or I didn't feel like I was getting my money's worth. Very different mentality to today. Didn't slow down to enjoy the intimacy just wanted to fuck as many different holes as possible. Didn't know what was good sex, thought if I fuck her hard for 25 minutes it was good sex LOL! No bullshit, when I was 22 I ran 8 km every day after work then go to the gym all night trying to get a body to impress the girls here in America. I think many young men here went through that experience. Now my work takes up too much time and also I'm getting lazy. If American girls won't fuck me I know where I can fly to!Gym making weight is not the best for long distance running when weight is the enemy. Look at Ethiopians or Kenyans who always win. When I was 14 and around 40 kgs, I ran 15 kms in 1 hour, but so big pain in feet with micro fracture from so many shocks when I was still growing, so I turned to 1000 meters for 2 mn 45 s, or 3000 meters for 9 mn 39 s, and football was so easy for me, after 30/40 mn others were exhausted when I still ran like a rabbit, and now, like good old French wine, every year, I try to improve my performances on free riding, or climbing the most steep mountains roads of tour de France and more interesting Giro of Italia, even I loved new col de la Loze above Meribel on this Summer. When I go to prettiest and not many attract me, except at World where had my regular only for me with 3 1 hour rooms, not chatting but only sex, but my regulars are usually among the busiest, but you gave me a idea: if I find a natural and elegant beauty to motivate my desire who is not busy, I will propose her a whole day sex marathon, 1 hour for breakfast, then room, but not for chatting, as long you are able to control if you have belly muscles, then you can stay hard with no need of Viagra if you are a real sporty, just matter of technique and control not to cum to stay hard, but I wonder how long she will resist, when I love to make cum beauties on foreplay and love to play on fucking. When I like to push my limits, I experienced, at least I learned something fucking prostitutes, to keep on staying hard after cumming, for about 10 mn, really hardening belly muscles, and very good because you are sensitive just after cumming.
if I find a natural and elegant beauty to motivate my desire who is not busy, I will propose her a whole day sex marathon, 1 hour for breakfast, then room, but not for chatting, as long you are able to control if you have belly muscles, then you can stay hard with no need of Viagra if you are a real sporty, just matter of technique and control not to cum to stay hard, but I wonder how long she will resist, when I love to make cum beauties on foreplay and love to play on fucking. When I like to push my limits, I experienced, at least I learned something fucking prostitutes, to keep on staying hard after cumming, for about 10 mn, really hardening belly muscles, and very good because you are sensitive just after cumming.I haven't been to a gym or run 1 km in almost 4 years! If you can fuck all day then keep going. I cannot in my current state of body. Maybe after lock down I will get more motivated but we'll see.
I like girls in FKK for the absence of loud moaning and fake orgasms. In Asia the girls make too much noise during sex. Loud noises by the girls during sex is a turnoff for me especially when it is fake.I did not find the Thai or Filipina girls I fucked to be "loud". In fact, they typically weren't animated enough for me and often seemed to be too reserved and shy about their bodies. Can't hang with Latina or European girls.
It will be difficult since they don't exist anymore.Oh, OK that make sense for girls, for some monger it would have been interesting though it was not fetish!
I did not find the Thai or Filipina girls I fucked to be "loud". In fact, they typically weren't animated enough for me and often seemed to be too reserved and shy about their bodies. Can't hang with Latina or European girls.Every East Asian / SE Asian I have ever fucked who did not grow up in a western nation, whether pro or civilian, has always had the tendency to keep their eyes closed tightly during sex. Many would even make little squeaky noises. It was always a bit of a turn off, making me feel as if I was somehow hurting them.
Filipinos are a bit different though. They're islanders with a heavy Western influence due to imperial occupation since the 19th century. Their mannerisms during sex didn't make it seem like I was fucking an underage girl.
I haven't been to a gym or run 1 km in almost 4 years! If you can fuck all day then keep going. I cannot in my current state of body. Maybe after lock down I will get more motivated but we'll see.Yes, emphasize on if LOL!
I like girls in FKK for the absence of loud moaning and fake orgasms. In Asia the girls make too much noise during sex. Loud noises by the girls during sex is a turnoff for me especially when it is fake.It must be one of those me sexy. Me love you long time countries LOL!
I never pay attention to what FKK girls say or how they moan, but some memorable ones engraved in my memory!
I like when they look at me with their side of the face when I am doing doggy hardcore and they keep on saying fuck me, fuck me, fuck me! LOL!
But I am more visual person, so all I care is she is top level stunner beauty in her prime and peak of beauty!
What has Belly muscle got to do with erection?
I understand if the guys belly is fat! But what has having let say 6 pack level belly muscle got to do with erection? Please explain scientifically!
I did not find the Thai or Filipina girls I fucked to be "loud". In fact, they typically weren't animated enough for me and often seemed to be too reserved and shy about their bodies. Can't hang with Latina or European girls.Maybe they fainted upon their analization LOL!
Every East Asian / SE Asian I have ever fucked who did not grow up in a western nation, whether pro or civilian, has always had the tendency to keep their eyes closed tightly during sex. Many would even make little squeaky noises. It was always a bit of a turn off, making me feel as if I was somehow hurting them.
Filipinos are a bit different though. They're islanders with a heavy Western influence due to imperial occupation since the 19th century. Their mannerisms during sex didn't make it seem like I was fucking an underage girl.So many FilipinAs shout ¨Oh shit!¨ during sex. That is distracting.
So many FilipinAs shout Oh shit! during sex. That is distracting.You must go soft and slowly at the beginning on anal LOL!
PaulInZurich
02-03-21, 15:56
I haven't been to a gym or run 1 km in almost 4 years! If you can fuck all day then keep going. I cannot in my current state of body. Maybe after lock down I will get more motivated but we'll see.You don't need aerobic endurance for sex. I have a sportswatch with heart rate monitor and heart rate didn't change much during sex.
The girl was not impressed when I showed her that my heart rate is barely elevated.
So many FilipinAs shout Oh shit! during sex. That is distracting.Hottest Filipina I fucked did say that. Oh shit! LOL! She was the most vocal.
I did not find the Thai or Filipina girls I fucked to be "loud". In fact, they typically weren't animated enough for me and often seemed to be too reserved and shy about their bodies. Can't hang with Latina or European girls.Very few I tried made little bird noises, total killing excitation making me feel really uncomfortable, not my type for sexuality.
You don't need aerobic endurance for sex. I have a sportswatch with heart rate monitor and heart rate didn't change much during sex.
The girl was not impressed when I showed her that my heart rate is barely elevated.If your watch works and your heart don't go faster when fucking for more than 10 seconds rabbit, then you should be good to climb Furkapass or between Globe and Umbrail / Stelvio or Gran San Bernardino after tunnel. When I use to fuck for more than 10 seconds, but I feel my heart go faster, but not a problem for me because I m used to put my heart on edge of red zone or in red zone for hours, in Summer under heat, sometimes more than 35 degrees when starting at the bottom, for intense effort because I always go only to break my records, to make enough oxygen to fight versus lactic acid, only solution being to turn legs as fast as possible, and heart have to follow rhythm. But then, so easy to fuck girls and really no need of Viagra, compare to Zoncolan or Mortirolo or la Loze where your whole body and your head are burning and after about 30 mn, you are not anymore able to feel pain, you are just focus on your passion and chronometer, like on German autobahns, trying to get some more kilometers speed, following in back of cars. As written at the bottom of legendary Mortirolo: follow your passion. I do for my life.
I haven't been to a gym or run 1 km in almost 4 years! If you can fuck all day then keep going. I cannot in my current state of body. Maybe after lock down I will get more motivated but we'll see.If I understood you well, 20's is too young to start brothels, find a normal woman, take care of her to give her will to ask you to make her love and to look at you smiling, so far higher level than brothels which are just a failure and each one own, but normal women are so much more interesting for sexuality and to speak with. I learned with my girlfriends when I rebuilt 2 last, why I m used to make women improve following and trusting me, but I don't learn with WGs, I just experienced and trained to stay hard after cumming, so WGs don't understand because they feel me cumming, but keeping on fucking, so they are surprised and I don't make caribou noise when cumming, all is controlled as they say. Sport help to perform and really for resistance sports. Size and being thicker than finger put more pressure with some technique to know where to press of course. Belly muscles help to be able to control to stay on the edge and you are the harder when you are just on the edge, full of blood and you need heart rhythm for this, not low rhythm like when you sleep. Great game to control on the edge, as long girl can resist. Just knowledge about sex and WGs don't know much from their pimp or rather used to finger size in this business. Most difficult for me is to find attractive girls for my standards, and then, usual facts in any club talk, when I don't want to have sex with girls I would not go to in real life.
You don't need aerobic endurance for sex. I have a sportswatch with heart rate monitor and heart rate didn't change much during sex.
The girl was not impressed when I showed her that my heart rate is barely elevated.Well that depends on the style of sex.
If you're doing the romantic kanoodling, wedding sex perhaps you don't need aerobic fitness. But try pounding at 50+ thrusts per minute for 10 minutes. I assure you that is harder than running 1 mile (1.6 km). Or holding a girl up and fucking her against a wall for 5 minutes, you're going to need aerobic fitness and strength.
To be less dramatic, if you're trying to finish for a 3rd or 4th time in a day, aerobic fitness is necessary to keep fucking fast enough and long enough to get that last shot off.
If I understood you well, 20's is too young to start brothels, find a normal woman, take care of her to give her will to ask you to make her love and to look at you smiling, so far higher level than brothels which are just a failure and each one own, but normal women are so much more interesting for sexuality and to speak with. Maybe it's different in France / EU, but the average American girl are pretty terrible at sex. Met a 26 y female and said she never gave blowjobs before and will never consider it. LOL! She said it was gross and disrespectful for women. LOL! Good thing it was only a couple coffee dates, didn't spend too much on that waste of time. I'm at the point where I need to lay back and have a girl blow me to completion.
Also for some same level of beauty, the American version has very high maintenance, even at my salary, it's really hard to keep up, especially in NYC.
Maybe in a few years I go find a normal girl in EU, but here no fucking way.
In the Berlin thread there is a discussion about the brothels that closed in past 10 years, probably the famous one was Kamilla Dee. Two brothels have shut down in past year: L'Amour and Maria Rot. No reasons were given, but I'm guessing COVID-19 forced them to close.
Hottest Filipina I fucked did say that. Oh shit! LOL! She was the most vocal.Because she found out you were the butt man LOL!
She got her shit pushed in by butt man LOL!
PaulInZurich
02-04-21, 10:01
Well that depends on the style of sex.
If you're doing the romantic kanoodling, wedding sex perhaps you don't need aerobic fitness. But try pounding at 50+ thrusts per minute for 10 minutes. I assure you that is harder than running 1 mile (1.6 km). Or holding a girl up and fucking her against a wall for 5 minutes, you're going to need aerobic fitness and strength.
To be less dramatic, if you're trying to finish for a 3rd or 4th time in a day, aerobic fitness is necessary to keep fucking fast enough and long enough to get that last shot off.I understand what you are saying. To me, the original poster was generalizing "I am not fit, I can't have sex all day". My point is, it depends. You can lay on your back and let the girls blow you or ride you, heart rate will barely go up. Depends a lot on your libido.
If I understood you well, 20's is too young to start brothels, find a normal woman, take care of her to give her will to ask you to make her love and to look at you smiling, so far higher level than brothels which are just a failure and each one own, but normal women are so much more interesting for sexuality and to speak with. I learned with my girlfriends when I rebuilt 2 last, why I m used to make women improve following and trusting me, but I don't learn with WGs, I just experienced and trained to stay hard after cumming, so WGs don't understand because they feel me cumming, but keeping on fucking, so they are surprised and I don't make caribou noise when cumming, all is controlled as they say. Sport help to perform and really for resistance sports. Size and being thicker than finger put more pressure with some technique to know where to press of course. Belly muscles help to be able to control to stay on the edge and you are the harder when you are just on the edge, full of blood and you need heart rhythm for this, not low rhythm like when you sleep. Great game to control on the edge, as long girl can resist. Just knowledge about sex and WGs don't know much from their pimp or rather used to finger size in this business. Most difficult for me is to find attractive girls for my standards, and then, usual facts in any club talk, when I don't want to have sex with girls I would not go to in real life.My performance depends on the girl with whom I am having intercourse. If she is very attractive I get rock hard very easily and give a high octane performance with accelerated heart rate. If she is average it will take me a little longer to get hard, if at all. Also I might get semi-hard and give a lack lustre performance and may or may not orgasm. However, for me banging an average looking girl is better than not banging a girl at all.
ExpatLover
02-04-21, 18:36
My performance depends on the girl with whom I am having intercourse. If she is very attractive I get rock hard very easily and give a high octane performance with accelerated heart rate. If she is average it will take me a little longer to get hard, if at all. Also I might get semi-hard and give a lack lustre performance and may or may not orgasm. However, for me banging an average looking girl is better than not banging a girl at all.Contrary to you I only go with girls who I think are super attractive so I never have any problem, for me I prefer not to have sex than with an average looking girl.
ExpatLover
02-04-21, 18:37
In the Berlin thread there is a discussion about the brothels that closed in past 10 years, probably the famous one was Kamilla Dee. Two brothels have shut down in past year: L'Amour and Maria Rot. No reasons were given, but I'm guessing COVID-19 forced them to close.Sorry but Berlin was never a great place for P6, mostly I always get cheated there.
I understand what you are saying. To me, the original poster was generalizing "I am not fit, I can't have sex all day". My point is, it depends. You can lay on your back and let the girls blow you or ride you, heart rate will barely go up. Depends a lot on your libido.You clearly didn't read what I wrote. No where did I say in my 20's I was laying on my back and letting the girls do the work.
Sorry but Berlin was never a great place for P6, mostly I always get cheated there.Artemis was my first FKK, had really good times and even some discount deals in Artemis in 2013-14. Stopped going there after comparing the LU to other cheaper clubs. Not sure about the other local brothels, didn't visit any.
I understand what you are saying. To me, the original poster was generalizing "I am not fit, I can't have sex all day". My point is, it depends. You can lay on your back and let the girls blow you or ride you, heart rate will barely go up. Depends a lot on your libido.Agreed. Once I even saw an elderly 100 kg man with a urinary catheter, urine bag strapped to his leg. He took at least 2 girls that day. I swear it took hik 10 minutes to get up the Sharks stairway. Both times he seemed quite happy coming back down after the room.
Sorry but Berlin was never a great place for P6, mostly I always get cheated there.Artemis and Palace gave me best most crazy I do not believe what she just did to me session even though it is most upsell clubs! I out hustled the hustlers LOL!
However, I do think NRW clubs like LR and GT are the most best service offered clubs in Germany without any hustle going on, but I tend to go for most hardcore session, so I prefer hustler girls clubs, but yeah, negotiation is annoying part, but what I got is priceless! I did pay 150 euro per one hour though in Artemis and Palace, LR and GT 50 euro can get you far! But I do not like line up at GT and LR and GT is always packed with guys!
ExpatLover
02-05-21, 05:06
Artemis and Palace gave me best most crazy I do not believe what she just did to me session even though it is most upsell clubs! I out hustled the hustlers LOL!
However, I do think NRW clubs like LR and GT are the most best service offered clubs in Germany without any hustle going on, but I tend to go for most hardcore session, so I prefer hustler girls clubs, but yeah, negotiation is annoying part, but what I got is priceless! I did pay 150 euro per one hour though in Artemis and Palace, LR and GT 50 euro can get you far! But I do not like line up at GT and LR and GT is always packed with guys!My daughter lived in Berlin so I tried a lot of mongering, Artemis was never my cup of tea, mostly veteran girls around with sili, hair extensions, tattoo, Botox. Not for me. I also met some escort but I was never happy with my choice. To keep maximum of flexibility I always travel by car but in Berlin you just have 1 FKK and the next one is FKK Leipzig with a terrible LU and a no go place for me. In Hessen you have far more possibilities.
Agreed. Once I even saw an elderly 100 kg man with a urinary catheter, urine bag strapped to his leg. He took at least 2 girls that day. I swear it took hik 10 minutes to get up the Sharks stairway. Both times he seemed quite happy coming back down after the room.I think it is Monday is the elderly day at artemins Berlin, on those days, you see very elderly men going with sometimes utmost stunners some were my regular girls and I once asked if some of these guys can session, some not really, but use toys or Viagra, but they also told me that some of these elderly can still fuck like us younger folks, what inspiring bunch of elderly guys and I am talking 65 or more like 70 plus elderly!
In other clubs, I do not really see many older guys though than artemins on elderly day!
My performance depends on the girl with whom I am having intercourse. If she is very attractive I get rock hard very easily and give a high octane performance with accelerated heart rate. If she is average it will take me a little longer to get hard, if at all. Also I might get semi-hard and give a lack lustre performance and may or may not orgasm. However, for me banging an average looking girl is better than not banging a girl at all.I prefer no sex, leaving with full heavy balls, than wasting my money, energy and time with average looks. I hate when average looks touch me, was a nightmare when they came to rub on me when I was waiting for Daniela at LR I visited only for her, even my ex could be angry. I left so many times Bruggen, Sharks, Oase, even Globe and Aphrodisia, full balls, no problem for me, even of course I prefer to find a elegant beauty. Fortunately for me not often, but had few really bad rooms, then I prefer to stop, not finishing, but don t want to waste my time with a girl not worthing. At Palace, on April 2017 , for our fifth room, German Lucifer told me in bed now she asked extra 50 for kissing, being asked by other German girls, so I answered, when I previously enjoyed her for 4 times 1 hour GFE rooms, I preferred to stop, she asked me to stay for 30 mn just for 50 , but from our good previous rooms, she disappointed me so much, even I knew she did what other German girls asked her, so I refused to stay when she proposed me to have sex, I left room, gave her 50 when I didn't touch her, had diner and drove to Velbert to make full busy superstar jealous when I repeated with Emily. 9 months later, German Lucifer was full smiling and came to me to ask to return to room with her at Bruggen, when she had many guys waiting for her. I did let her for others and again 1 month later at Velbert. I'm only interested for sex if I can dream, no dream with a prostitute image or behavior, then just waste of money for me and I hate to waste my money I make, not being paid by French government. Sex only worth for dream for me. I remember on a Saturday on end of July 2014, I visited World but my regular was off for her birthday, she was right about this, then Oase but my regular, super sexy Maria left on holidays, then moved to Sharks where arrived later than midnight and Barbie Ingrid finished, so 3 clubs visited, about 200 girls seen, but no room for me, but I enjoyed Ingrid discovery on Sunday. Tomorrow may always be a better day.
Agreed. Once I even saw an elderly 100 kg man with a urinary catheter, urine bag strapped to his leg. He took at least 2 girls that day. I swear it took hik 10 minutes to get up the Sharks stairway. Both times he seemed quite happy coming back down after the room.Romanian princesses pleases everyone LOL!
ExpatLover
02-05-21, 17:00
Agreed. Once I even saw an elderly 100 kg man with a urinary catheter, urine bag strapped to his leg. He took at least 2 girls that day. I swear it took hik 10 minutes to get up the Sharks stairway. Both times he seemed quite happy coming back down after the room.I have already wrote it several times, most of the mongers over estimate what the girls really are, for money most of them will do everything, they have very low self esteem, if you are normal you can get fucked every day so many times by guys coming from every where, sometimes smelling, being rude.
I have already wrote it several times, most of the mongers over estimate what the girls really are, for money most of them will do everything, they have very low self esteem, if you are normal you can get fucked every day so many times by guys coming from every where, sometimes smelling, being rude.Some monger think of them as some princess LOL! All facts are not facts in FKK, it is all illusion some mongers choose to believe due to their lack of experience in their lives with beautiful women and also in life events in general! As some like to believe them as some kind of princesses, it is merely good looking prostitute doing their job with masks and acts on, but some mongers see those acts as facts and real LOL!
Romanian princesses are in fact just a prostitute, but somehow, some mongers seem to hallucinate in FKK mixing illusion as facts LOL!
My daughter lived in Berlin so I tried a lot of mongering, Artemis was never my cup of tea, mostly veteran girls around with sili, hair extensions, tattoo, Botox. Not for me. I also met some escort but I was never happy with my choice. To keep maximum of flexibility I always travel by car but in Berlin you just have 1 FKK and the next one is FKK Leipzig with a terrible LU and a no go place for me. In Hessen you have far more possibilities.I agree with silicone tits, tattoo and veteran old girls in line up of Artemis and palace as well, but in those clubs you find young stunner jewel walk in once in a while, better before, went down around 2015, but in 2019 summer when I finally went back to Artemis, line up was back! Lets see after corona! Between 2010 to 2014, Artemis was my favorite, then after 2015, I have been roaming around FKK to catch stunner!
So you visit your daughter in Berlin and monger at the same time? Man, that is quite parallel schedule you got there LOL! When I go to mongering trip, I got some friend in Berlin, Frankfurt and Duss and Zurich, but I do not call them, I go for FKK only! Except once, last time I stayed in my friends place who has family with kids, then from there I commuted to Globe Zurich LOL! It was strange feeling to go back to loving home of my friend after a day in globe getting my dick sucked, ass licked, my face in ass crack of girls, pussy juice etc LOL!
I agree with silicone tits, tattoo and veteran old girls in line up of Artemis and palace as well, but in those clubs you find young stunner jewel walk in once in a while, better before, went down around 2015Last time in Artemis was 2014. There was a plenty natural beauties when I went, never had an issue with the LU. It's true there was also a lot of veterans, but not overwhelming since the LU was pretty big.
There was one young blond Hungarian girl name Lucy I think. Definitely didn't look her age. Even for me being 24 at the time, it made me feel like a old dirty uncle taking her. She wasn't much of a performer but she did let me do everything I wanted to her. Didn't talk too much either, no noises, no complains, just laid there and let me have my way with her, seemed spaced out. Pretty sure I should've paid her for some extras but she didn't mention any. Maybe she was on drugs? But she seemed more active and aware at the bar.
ExpatLover
02-06-21, 06:54
I agree with silicone tits, tattoo and veteran old girls in line up of Artemis and palace as well, but in those clubs you find young stunner jewel walk in once in a while, better before, went down around 2015, but in 2019 summer when I finally went back to Artemis, line up was back! Lets see after corona! Between 2010 to 2014, Artemis was my favorite, then after 2015, I have been roaming around FKK to catch stunner!
So you visit your daughter in Berlin and monger at the same time? Man, that is quite parallel schedule you got there LOL! When I go to mongering trip, I got some friend in Berlin, Frankfurt and Duss and Zurich, but I do not call them, I go for FKK only! Except once, last time I stayed in my friends place who has family with kids, then from there I commuted to Globe Zurich LOL! It was strange feeling to go back to loving home of my friend after a day in globe getting my dick sucked, ass licked, my face in ass crack of girls, pussy juice etc LOL!She worked in a start up so was very busy, therefor I got plenty of time to mongering in Berlin. It is the same for the girls all day long they suck dicks and after they go home and kiss their BF or children. How many guys are fucking prostitutes, maitresses. And after go home kissing their children and spouse and saying they are exhausted and tired because they were so busy at their job.
I think it is Monday is the elderly day at artemins Berlin, on those days, you see very elderly men going with sometimes utmost stunners some were my regular girls and I once asked if some of these guys can session, some not really, but use toys or Viagra, but they also told me that some of these elderly can still fuck like us younger folks, what inspiring bunch of elderly guys and I am talking 65 or more like 70 plus elderly!
In other clubs, I do not really see many older guys though than artemins on elderly day!Besides my group of mongers who I've come to consider real friends, I actually prefer talking to the older guys on solo club days. My favorite is a Colombian man who actually owns brothels in Colombia. He's a regular at Oase and every time I chat with him, I take dozens of mental notes on how to have longevity in this hobby while keeping your head on straight. He knows the dangers of the hobby / business but is humble enough to see the girls as real people. They're money grubbing sex dolls but some actually have grown into impressive women.
I have already wrote it several times, most of the mongers over estimate what the girls really are, for money most of them will do everything, they have very low self esteem, if you are normal you can get fucked every day so many times by guys coming from every where, sometimes smelling, being rude.My point of view is not so pessimistic and cynical. Yes most of the industry is an illusion, but out of the thousands of club prostitutes in Germany, there are dozens who are genuinely interesting and self confident. Service work exposes one to a wide range of people from various walks of life. And I'd dare say that my service worker friends in the food and beverage industry, healthcare, and even some retail workers have a better grasp of society's unspoken social graces than my office worker white collar, work in front of a computer colleagues.
Maybe it's different in France / EU, but the average American girl are pretty terrible at sex. Met a 26 y female and said she never gave blowjobs before and will never consider it. LOL! She said it was gross and disrespectful for women. LOL! Good thing it was only a couple coffee dates, didn't spend too much on that waste of time. I'm at the point where I need to lay back and have a girl blow me to completion.
Also for some same level of beauty, the American version has very high maintenance, even at my salary, it's really hard to keep up, especially in NYC.
Maybe in a few years I go find a normal girl in EU, but here no fucking way.I was disappointed when I didn't see any playmate in Florida, from Arizona to Colorado and Utah, in Vegas or San Francisco, when I walked a lot in streets or with bicycle all around San Francisco to Sosalito, even waking up at 5 am to climb very steep and curvy narrow street, when cars go down, so I could see their lights when still night. On the other hand, I see daily beauties in Paris, nothing about escorts, but in streets. Sex with normal women in normal life have nothing to do with brothels, I never asked any of my girlfriend to suck me, I even avoided when some wanted, I don t even ask in brothels, I enjoy more to let girls do what they will to give me back, when I learned sex in normal life, based on love with women kissing You as much as their child when they love You, but not learning in porn which is not sex, nor in brothels, nor much with escorts, but I really enjoyed yesterday when so charming Ukrainian switch off her phone ringing about time finish, to let us taking all time to finish with no rush. Charming look and for behavior for a so sweet, delightful repeating. She really deserves my woman celebration love sex way and maybe why many return to me first, when I try to make same sex with escorts or in brothels than how I enjoyed previously in real life. I don t need to cure frustration about women.
I agree with silicone tits, tattoo and veteran old girls in line up of Artemis and palace as well, but in those clubs you find young stunner jewel walk in once in a while, better before, went down around 2015, but in 2019 summer when I finally went back to Artemis, line up was back! Lets see after corona! Between 2010 to 2014, Artemis was my favorite, then after 2015, I have been roaming around FKK to catch stunner!
So you visit your daughter in Berlin and monger at the same time? Man, that is quite parallel schedule you got there LOL! When I go to mongering trip, I got some friend in Berlin, Frankfurt and Duss and Zurich, but I do not call them, I go for FKK only! Except once, last time I stayed in my friends place who has family with kids, then from there I commuted to Globe Zurich LOL! It was strange feeling to go back to loving home of my friend after a day in globe getting my dick sucked, ass licked, my face in ass crack of girls, pussy juice etc LOL!
Artemis FKK is overpriced because they do not have competitors. Berlin has PartyTreffs, GB parties, flatrate clubs, but they are in a different league so do not compete with Artemis.
In NRW there are a lot of FKKs competing each other so they have to push the price down to remain competitive or will be out of business. Also, they get helped in revenue from people coming from Neighbouring countries such as France, The Netherlands, Belgium, who could do drive to that areas during the weekend. I wonder why FKKs business owners in NRW do not seise this opportunity and do expansion in Berlin?
Berlin is on the other side of Germany. Not many local Berliner, local people or people from neighbouring countries will be visiting Artemis, due to the overpricing structure. But they got enough tourists, distance travellers, as Berlin is one of the most visited tourist destination in Germany.
When I want to visit FKKs (not for other businesses) I will not go to Berlin, I prefer to travel to NRW or Frankfurt Am main areas.
I prefer no sex, leaving with full heavy balls, than wasting my money, energy and time with average looks. I hate when average looks touch me, was a nightmare when they came to rub on me when I was waiting for Daniela at LR I visited only for her, even my ex could be angry.
Same here. In my personal experience the FKK Girls want to maintain chatting with you, keep rubbing you because they are expecting you to spend sometimes with them in the room. When they see you go to the room with other girls later you will see a dissatisfactory expression from their faces.
I am fully aware that it is not your duty to make eveyone happy, but if you could avoid a person to be unhappy in the first instance it might be a good idea as eveyone deserves to be happy. One of the method I normally use is to make a small excuses to moving away from them such as telling them I would like to take a drink from the bar, etc
Do you have any particular method to avoid the girls like these, especially when you do not have any interest to go to the room with them, but without hurting them or wasting their time.
Does anyone have a good method, tricks or experience that they could share?
Same here. In my personal experience the FKK Girls want to maintain chatting with you, keep rubbing you because they are expecting you to spend sometimes with them in the room. When they see you go to the room with other girls later you will see a dissatisfactory expression from their faces.
I am fully aware that it is not your duty to make eveyone happy, but if you could avoid a person to be unhappy in the first instance it might be a good idea.
Do you have any particular method to avoid the girls like these, especially when you do not have any interest to go to the room with them, but without hurting them or wasting their time.
Does anyone have a good method, tricks or experience that they could share?Most efficient answer is: I have no money, and then you will hear: Go home. I can understand girls look for business, but they should use a bit their few neurons, rather than rubbing or trying to touch dick. As say girls: we are different and I m sure to be very different to be seduced. But few girls, sometimes even very busy, look at what we do, with who we go. Some told me they waited I came to them, because they wanted I chose them. Girls are also different, but some change for money.
Same here. In my personal experience the FKK Girls want to maintain chatting with you, keep rubbing you because they are expecting you to spend sometimes with them in the room. When they see you go to the room with other girls later you will see a dissatisfactory expression from their faces.
I am fully aware that it is not your duty to make eveyone happy, but if you could avoid a person to be unhappy in the first instance it might be a good idea as eveyone deserves to be happy. One of the method I normally use is to make a small excuses to moving away from them such as telling them I would like to take a drink from the bar, etc
Do you have any particular method to avoid the girls like these, especially when you do not have any interest to go to the room with them, but without hurting them or wasting their time.
Does anyone have a good method, tricks or experience that they could share?Occasionally when I decline a session, I'll have a girl say something like, "But we've been talking for 15 minutes". I simply smile and say, "Hey, I know you're here to earn money. So, please feel free to leave at anytime. That won't bother or offend me". If I'm sitting comfortably somewhere, why should I be the one to move, especially since it's likely she approached me. No, no sale going down here, so she should move along should she choose to do so. I'm not holding her there. I was just being friendly and polite.
I think it is Monday is the elderly day at artemins Berlin, on those days, you see very elderly men going with sometimes utmost stunners some were my regular girls and I once asked if some of these guys can session, some not really, but use toys or Viagra, but they also told me that some of these elderly can still fuck like us younger folks, what inspiring bunch of elderly guys and I am talking 65 or more like 70 plus elderly!
In other clubs, I do not really see many older guys though than artemins on elderly day!Reminds me of the 70 plus old guy who weighs over 100 kg who is in Sharks every day. He walks very slowly and only goes to the rooms downstairs. He goes to the room every day and has his favorites. His most favorite though is a Bulgarian girl. He is living what many men his age dream about.
ExpatLover
02-06-21, 16:42
Reminds me of the 70 plus old guy who weighs over 100 kg who is in Sharks every day. He walks very slowly and only goes to the rooms downstairs. He goes to the room every day and has his favorites. His most favorite though is a Bulgarian girl. He is living what many men his age dream about.Sorry it is really not my dream to spend every day in a FKK, even 2 days in a row is too much for me. I have the feeling to loose my time, I prefer focusing my money, energy. On real-estate projects or buying a new classic car or restauring another one. I think I know the guy you are speaking about, he is really over weighted, and doesn't look healthy at all, showing difficulties to walk and to climb the stairs. He is often playing chess outside in the veranda.
Reminds me of the 70 plus old guy who weighs over 100 kg who is in Sharks every day. He walks very slowly and only goes to the rooms downstairs. He goes to the room every day and has his favorites. His most favorite though is a Bulgarian girl. He is living what many men his age dream about.Since I see him, he had different regulars, girls disappeared, when he was still visiting. When some guys don t have sex in room, but I wonder what can perform when can t walk. Same about some with fat and falling belly, much bigger than tool, how can they? When I remember girls telling about funny hole in paper to find in the Bush.
Occasionally when I decline a session, I'll have a girl say something like, "But we've been talking for 15 minutes". I simply smile and say, "Hey, I know you're here to earn money. So, please feel free to leave at anytime. That won't bother or offend me". If I'm sitting comfortably somewhere, why should I be the one to move, especially since it's likely she approached me. No, no sale going down here, so she should move along should she choose to do so. I'm not holding her there. I was just being friendly and polite.My tactic is do not talk to them for more than 15 second LOL! It is Hi how are you, where are you from, no thank you, thank you for coming and they say something wonderful to me in Romanian language in very strong tone even though I was polite LOL!
Last time in Artemis was 2014. There was a plenty natural beauties when I went, never had an issue with the LU. It's true there was also a lot of veterans, but not overwhelming since the LU was pretty big.
There was one young blond Hungarian girl name Lucy I think. Definitely didn't look her age. Even for me being 24 at the time, it made me feel like a old dirty uncle taking her. She wasn't much of a performer but she did let me do everything I wanted to her. Didn't talk too much either, no noises, no complains, just laid there and let me have my way with her, seemed spaced out. Pretty sure I should've paid her for some extras but she didn't mention any. Maybe she was on drugs? But she seemed more active and aware at the bar.Yeah I had a girl like that once when she just began, she did not know much, so I was able to do it all for 60 euro for 30 min standard price session! Once in a while, those comes around!
Yes, for me, it was 2014 or 2015 was last year of around 4 or 5 good natural beauty line up and it turns later to mostly plastic monster line up, so I switched to Hessen and nrw!
Reminds me of the 70 plus old guy who weighs over 100 kg who is in Sharks every day. He walks very slowly and only goes to the rooms downstairs. He goes to the room every day and has his favorites. His most favorite though is a Bulgarian girl. He is living what many men his age dream about.Yeah! I wish I be like that in my 60's and 70's, by the time, good medicine will be out to keep our libido and erection LOL!
But some guys, very few can do many sessions without blue pills in their 70's I heard from girl!
Artemis FKK is overpriced because they do not have competitors. Berlin has PartyTreffs, GB parties, flatrate clubs, but they are in a different league so do not compete with Artemis.
In NRW there are a lot of FKKs competing each other so they have to push the price down to remain competitive or will be out of business. Also, they get helped in revenue from people coming from Neighbouring countries such as France, The Netherlands, Belgium, who could do drive to that areas during the weekend. I wonder why FKKs business owners in NRW do not seise this opportunity and do expansion in Berlin?
Berlin is on the other side of Germany. Not many local Berliner, local people or people from neighbouring countries will be visiting Artemis, due to the overpricing structure. But they got enough tourists, distance travellers, as Berlin is one of the most visited tourist destination in Germany.
When I want to visit FKKs (not for other businesses) I will not go to Berlin, I prefer to travel to NRW or Frankfurt Am main areas.Yes, but NRW line up stunner never satisfy me, I found one or two, but it is after moving to few FKK in one day! And in GT, it is so packed with guys all the time LOL! Most day, it was like GT, then LR with discount entry ticket after GT and then I end up in oceans LOL! Like a professional stunner prostitute hunter LOL!
There are few regulars in Artemis that are local, I came to know a few, and also most of these old folks on Monday are from local, they are retired people, but yes most are foreigners! However, it is in those upsell rip off club that I found stunner of stunner as they all go for the cashcow FKK! And as for service, I always managed to get what I want and I am into more hardcore session than most of other fellow mongers!
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