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Besides my group of mongers who I've come to consider real friends, I actually prefer talking to the older guys on solo club days. My favorite is a Colombian man who actually owns brothels in Colombia. He's a regular at Oase and every time I chat with him, I take dozens of mental notes on how to have longevity in this hobby while keeping your head on straight. He knows the dangers of the hobby / business but is humble enough to see the girls as real people. They're money grubbing sex dolls but some actually have grown into impressive women.Yeah some monger is lost in illusion and hallucination mixing those as fact LOL! Prostitutes are prostitutes and not princesses LOL! Some prostitutes are actually nice and I must say they are all fair enough as I always got what I wanted with acceptable fee of 150 euro per hour! Very few time, 200 euro, but I never regret or even more I am so glad that I session with these girls and grateful for the I cannot believe she just did that session! You know I like more hardcore dirty thing, so!
I never start conversation from me in FKK, but with most visits, I meet very nice people and enjoy the chat! Some are old, and yes I never really had conversation with young people though! I do not know these guys read this forum or not, but I did enjoy the chat with an American guy from Idaho, who I met in palace and then Oase the next day, the guy from California who drove me back from GT to Duss HBF and gave me two bottle of mineral water as he was leaving, Chinese German guy in Artemis with very very long hair, some Arab guy I met in palace who bought me a cigar who was crazy LOL, and many more, and yeah some elderly men in their 70's or even more maybe who I came across who were so polite and pleasant to have some conversation with!
I do not monger with my friends as this hobby of mine is strictly secret and only few of my friend knows about this, I know them since I am a kid, but I keep somethings to myself because unfortunately, this normal human nature of men called lust are not accepted in society and we men are still expected to live like a monk! Or maybe that is we expect to women too, so it is fair enough! But hey, we find women who are not for 50 euro per 30 min LOL!
Whatta era we live in and maybe we are living and lived best era of mongering history! I would say around 2008 to 2017 was the best mongering ever has been in history! Given that western Europe namely Germany opened up so much sex business wise for our benefit! It was and still is the best era now! I think so!
Before it was less stunner, brothels were not as good as in this recent years! Line up was old, service was unstable etc! So it is the best time now and lets enjoy it while it last!
She worked in a start up so was very busy, therefor I got plenty of time to mongering in Berlin. It is the same for the girls all day long they suck dicks and after they go home and kiss their BF or children. How many guys are fucking prostitutes, maitresses. And after go home kissing their children and spouse and saying they are exhausted and tired because they were so busy at their job.Yeah true that, men got to do what men got to do LOL!
I can never stop mongering, this is for sure, it is this lust of mine for stunner beautiful girls one after the another every single year! When the new year begin, it is like wow what kind of and how many more new stunners enter my life this year that I am sure to going to fuck! It is sure thing for monger as long as we got will, money, info and alive LOL!
Most people do not know the wicked way of our world! The world of professional flying monger LOL!
ExpatLover
02-07-21, 07:37
My tactic is do not talk to them for more than 15 second LOL! It is Hi how are you, where are you from, no thank you, thank you for coming and they say something wonderful to me in Romanian language in very strong tone even though I was polite LOL!I do the same, never speak with a girl, or I say sorry I am waiting for a girl or I just come back from the room or I take the girl to the room. Some girls are very rude and aggressive some told me that I am a gay because I spent several hours without a room others told me it is a brothel I have to go to the room. This kind of attitude is more and more taking place since 2017 before the things were different.
ExpatLover
02-07-21, 07:42
Occasionally when I decline a session, I'll have a girl say something like, "But we've been talking for 15 minutes". I simply smile and say, "Hey, I know you're here to earn money. So, please feel free to leave at anytime. That won't bother or offend me". If I'm sitting comfortably somewhere, why should I be the one to move, especially since it's likely she approached me. No, no sale going down here, so she should move along should she choose to do so. I'm not holding her there. I was just being friendly and polite.Sorry but I am not sure that so many girls in the FKK can understand the meaning of "won't bother or offend me", except I little answer like thanks sorry. I never talk to a girl I am not interested, when I am interested in a girl I don't talk too I take her to the room.
My tactic is do not talk to them for more than 15 second LOL! It is Hi how are you, where are you from, no thank you, thank you for coming and they say something wonderful to me in Romanian language in very strong tone even though I was polite LOL!Mr. Ho is short with tutes LOL. It's rare for me to speak with a tute for any length of time and not session. But occasionally it does happen. But rarely initiated by me, so I feel no obligation. And if I do initiate, it's likely a girl I've been fucking, and who I will fuck again sometime. She knows that, likes me, and doesn't mind a little chitter chatter every now and then.
Because she found out you were the butt man LOL! She got her shit pushed in by butt man LOL!Actually, I didn't get any anal in the Philippines. One of only two places where that has happened (the other being the UAE). My number of opportunities were extremely low in the PI anyway because I did not session much (simply not attracted to most Asian girls). I remember I was in the room in Angeles City with one Filipina and we were standing. I gently touched her butt and she said, "We're not doing anything there". She tried to make it up to me by setting up a dupla with a cute friend (she showed me a picture) who would let me go bareback and cum inside (I had already gone bareback with her but pulled out). I declined the dupla session, but for the wrong reason I suppose. You see, by that point in the trip I was exhausted and needed some sleep LOL!
Sorry but I am not sure that so many girls in the FKK can understand the meaning of "won't bother or offend me", except I little answer like thanks sorry. I never talk to a girl I am not interested, when I am interested in a girl I don't talk too I take her to the room.But I didn't say that a lot of girls understood that. I was talking about a rare circumstance where I have a conversation of some length with a girl. If that's happening in a German FKK, then that means the conversation is going down in English. Which means that she full well understands if we have been comfortably communicating in English the whole while. Most of the tutes I meet in an FKK speak some English, and there is never a problem of getting across what I mean. If her understanding of English is weak, then a simple "no thank you" ordinarily does the trick. No need to lie about anything, like waiting for someone else. Just be a man and say what you mean, and mean what you say.
I do the same, never speak with a girl, or I say sorry I am waiting for a girl or I just come back from the room or I take the girl to the room. Some girls are very rude and aggressive some told me that I am a gay because I spent several hours without a room others told me it is a brothel I have to go to the room. This kind of attitude is more and more taking place since 2017 before the things were different.I don't see difference about German 2017 new law, still natural BJ, still AO, still same sex for same rate with my behavior. I can speak with girls when they don t gossip bullshits when I m not interested about other guys, I don t drive to hear about other guys but to dream with beauty, but I don t speak paying time in room, I just pay for time for sex. Even covid didn't change my way for sex, still French kissing beauties I choose, when over 50, and I don't plan to stop, even I felt 1 year ago 3 months break made me become even more demanding and picky than I was already one of the pickiest before, and even with new mutants and no vaccine for me. I started this year on high level for charm and sweetness with really cute and very woman manners Ukrainian escort, when I'm usually not much crazy about Ukrainians who can't compete with Russians, but repeating with her even I'm quite busy about safety for my job and she seemed too busy, bad point for my desire, but wish to remain on her level on this year, even my best pleasure would be ski opening, to clean my lungs above 3000 meters high and to feel adrenaline, I miss so much.
Because you don't know that the prettiest girls in America don't dress up in public like Europeans. They are more casual, opting to wear less flattering athletic clothes in public. They also subscribe to the invite only social scene. Pretty women attend events that are worth their efforts, usually through close knit networks. In short, you didn't see them because you weren't invited.
I was disappointed when I didn't see any playmate in Florida, from Arizona to Colorado and Utah, in Vegas or San Francisco, when I walked a lot in streets or with bicycle all around San Francisco to Sosalito, even waking up at 5 am to climb very steep and curvy narrow street, when cars go down, so I could see their lights when still night. On the other hand, I see daily beauties in Paris, nothing about escorts, but in streets. Sex with normal women in normal life have nothing to do with brothels, I never asked any of my girlfriend to suck me, I even avoided when some wanted, I don t even ask in brothels, I enjoy more to let girls do what they will to give me back, when I learned sex in normal life, based on love with women kissing You as much as their child when they love You, but not learning in porn which is not sex, nor in brothels, nor much with escorts, but I really enjoyed yesterday when so charming Ukrainian switch off her phone ringing about time finish, to let us taking all time to finish with no rush. Charming look and for behavior for a so sweet, delightful repeating. She really deserves my woman celebration love sex way and maybe why many return to me first, when I try to make same sex with escorts or in brothels than how I enjoyed previously in real life. I don t need to cure frustration about women.
Sorry but I am not sure that so many girls in the FKK can understand the meaning of "won't bother or offend me", except I little answer like thanks sorry. I never talk to a girl I am not interested, when I am interested in a girl I don't talk too I take her to the room.I am with The Cane on this. I always have a discussion before I take a girl to the room. I learned this after several disappointments in the past where you get in the room, have started the session only to be told "I don't do x or why or z is extra". Better to get this all sorted out without a discussion in the room. And even that chat can then be a passion killer. If a girl doesn't want to invest 5 minutes or so with me to find out about likes / desires she isn't for me. But I normally don't take girls for short time other than "on trial" with a view to extending. So if I'm likely to be in the room 1-2 hours I want to know what is on the menu, and what's not.
I too have had girls tell me "you've been here an hour and not taken any girls to the room. Why not". I reply with "that's up to me, when I find one I like I'll go, but I noticed you've been here for that hour and you didn't go to any rooms either. Why not". Has the effect of ending their barbed criticism fairly quickly.
I too have had girls tell me "you've been here an hour and not taken any girls to the room. Why not". I reply with "that's up to me, when I find one I like I'll go, but I noticed you've been here for that hour and you didn't go to any rooms either. Why not". Has the effect of ending their barbed criticism fairly quickly.Ha! Never used that one before! Think I will try it in the next appropriate situation. I recall one time when a Romanian Oase tute told me I wasn't "normal" because I frequented FKKs. And she is for working in one? People man! Can't stand them LOL!
I am with The Cane on this. I always have a discussion before I take a girl to the room. I learned this after several disappointments in the past where you get in the room, have started the session only to be told "I don't do x or why or z is extra". Better to get this all sorted out without a discussion in the room. And even that chat can then be a passion killer. If a girl doesn't want to invest 5 minutes or so with me to find out about likes / desires she isn't for me. But I normally don't take girls for short time other than "on trial" with a view to extending. So if I'm likely to be in the room 1-2 hours I want to know what is on the menu, and what's not.
I too have had girls tell me "you've been here an hour and not taken any girls to the room. Why not". I reply with "that's up to me, when I find one I like I'll go, but I noticed you've been here for that hour and you didn't go to any rooms either. Why not". Has the effect of ending their barbed criticism fairly quickly.Same here. Not so much the discussion of the room activities but the actual conversation itself. Back in 2009 it was even more common to have a lengthy (10-15 minute) couch time. Even in more recent years where former Sharks girls like German Sandra and Romanian Evita would insist on taking a client to a private corner and speaking with them casually for 10 or 15 minutes. The chats were not even about what you wanted to do in the room. Actually Sandra proposed to speak over a cigarette after I proposed a room. It was as if she was screening ME! Yes many fresh girls do not have a mastery of English but the Frankfurt girls generally are fluent enough to carry a conversation. It is rather arrogant to assume that all girls cannot communicate effectively in English or that none of them understand good customer service.
I am with The Cane on this. I always have a discussion before I take a girl to the room. I learned this after several disappointments in the past where you get in the room, have started the session only to be told "I don't do x or why or z is extra". Better to get this all sorted out without a discussion in the room. And even that chat can then be a passion killer. If a girl doesn't want to invest 5 minutes or so with me to find out about likes / desires she isn't for me. But I normally don't take girls for short time other than "on trial" with a view to extending. So if I'm likely to be in the room 1-2 hours I want to know what is on the menu, and what's not.
I too have had girls tell me "you've been here an hour and not taken any girls to the room. Why not". I reply with "that's up to me, when I find one I like I'll go, but I noticed you've been here for that hour and you didn't go to any rooms either. Why not". Has the effect of ending their barbed criticism fairly quickly.I never go with zimmer? Girls even they can be beauties, when I need to speak with girls to try to put a woman image on them to be attracted for sex when I can't desire a girl I see as a prostitute piece of meat. I ask name, where coming from, if she feels fine, but I usually don't ask about money nor services provided, I prefer to look how the girl behave with me and look at me, to evaluate if she is a girl for my way or not, when grocery and begging are killing desire for me. When I think should work, then I like discovery and I will adapt and behave to make her will to follow my game and give me back, and my manners and way pay usually quite well to get enjoyable, and being a weekly repeating specialist with girls usually returning to me. Same in any club in any country, even on north Gerona Catalunya.
It is rather arrogant to assume that all girls cannot communicate effectively in English or that none of them understand good customer service.Thank you!
Mr. Ho is short with tutes LOL. It's rare for me to speak with a tute for any length of time and not session. But occasionally it does happen. But rarely initiated by me, so I feel no obligation. And if I do initiate, it's likely a girl I've been fucking, and who I will fuck again sometime. She knows that, likes me, and doesn't mind a little chitter chatter every now and then.Sometimes once in awhile some tutes open up a bit in room and begin showing be some family photos etc, then I talk a little bit, but these girls are superior looking girls!
As for uglies I call them, I give them short, fair and squared, but polite treatment, saving them time and saving my time as well, but above all, saving my eyes and memories as they are sight pollution LOL!
Actually, I didn't get any anal in the Philippines. One of only two places where that has happened (the other being the UAE). My number of opportunities were extremely low in the PI anyway because I did not session much (simply not attracted to most Asian girls). I remember I was in the room in Angeles City with one Filipina and we were standing. I gently touched her butt and she said, "We're not doing anything there". She tried to make it up to me by setting up a dupla with a cute friend (she showed me a picture) who would let me go bareback and cum inside (I had already gone bareback with her but pulled out). I declined the dupla session, but for the wrong reason I suppose. You see, by that point in the trip I was exhausted and needed some sleep LOL!Yeah, I only like Eurasian mixed race too in Asia, but once in blue moon, you still find wow 100 % stunner, but it is rare as blue moon, not even!
Anyways, even though I do it sometimes, anal was never for me, it is more mental and it is too too tight for my taste! But I do enjoy putting it in and get her shit pushed in and analize her LOL! It is more mental than physical! Once I was doggy fucking stunner German blonde girl anally in palace, and she kept on saying fuck me in the ass, fuck me in the ass, usually I do not like girls saying things during sex, but that one with palace mirror! Oh I loved it LOL! I felt alive and accomplished LOL! The moment like that make me realize how we cannot and should not stop mongering ha! LOL!
I do the same, never speak with a girl, or I say sorry I am waiting for a girl or I just come back from the room or I take the girl to the room. Some girls are very rude and aggressive some told me that I am a gay because I spent several hours without a room others told me it is a brothel I have to go to the room. This kind of attitude is more and more taking place since 2017 before the things were different.I would have told these sight pollution (I call ugly girls sight pollution) that I prefer to be gay than fucking you LOL! And for second one, I have to go to room in brothel? Well not with you LOL And I will tell her I do not consider her as woman LOL! She is transvesti to me LOL! Usually, it does not getting into argument in FKK, mostly all girls are nice, but I have been in heated argument before in FKK LOL It was so hilarious! My freestyle is more funny, sick and mean than Notorious big LOL!
Fuck them in the ass and throw them over the bridge, this is how it is, the shit is laid out LOL! I ain't talking or definitely not fucking these sight pollutions LOL! I ain't going down like that LOL!
Ha! Never used that one before! Think I will try it in the next appropriate situation. I recall one time when a Romanian Oase tute told me I wasn't "normal" because I frequented FKKs. And she is for working in one? People man! Can't stand them LOL!I would tell her that I know that I am hidden hentai who society see as normal on surface, but I am for sure normal not to take her sight pollution ass to the room LOL!
ExpatLover
02-08-21, 05:55
I am with The Cane on this. I always have a discussion before I take a girl to the room. I learned this after several disappointments in the past where you get in the room, have started the session only to be told "I don't do x or why or z is extra". Better to get this all sorted out without a discussion in the room. And even that chat can then be a passion killer. If a girl doesn't want to invest 5 minutes or so with me to find out about likes / desires she isn't for me. But I normally don't take girls for short time other than "on trial" with a view to extending. So if I'm likely to be in the room 1-2 hours I want to know what is on the menu, and what's not.
I too have had girls tell me "you've been here an hour and not taken any girls to the room. Why not". I reply with "that's up to me, when I find one I like I'll go, but I noticed you've been here for that hour and you didn't go to any rooms either. Why not". Has the effect of ending their barbed criticism fairly quickly.Why not but for me only the beauty matters, and after the chemistry and this is so easy to feel in the room, the damage can only be 50 euro. If I don t feel good with the girl, I stop the session and give her 50 euro.
Sorry it is really not my dream to spend every day in a FKK, even 2 days in a row is too much for me. I have the feeling to loose my time, I prefer focusing my money, energy. On real-estate projects or buying a new classic car or restauring another one. I think I know the guy you are speaking about, he is really over weighted, and doesn't look healthy at all, showing difficulties to walk and to climb the stairs. He is often playing chess outside in the veranda.Yes he spends most of his time playing chess and chatting with his buddies. I have never seen him climb the stairs. I dont think he can.
He is obviously German and I have never seen him go with a hot girl.
I too have had girls tell me "you've been here an hour and not taken any girls to the room. Why not". I reply with "that's up to me, when I find one I like I'll go, but I noticed you've been here for that hour and you didn't go to any rooms either. Why not". Has the effect of ending their barbed criticism fairly quickly.I don't know what I'm doing right or wrong but I rarely encounter rudeness from the girls. Clearly remember a girl in Artemis getting the huff with me and said something less than complementary in her language & just a couple of incidents in Sharks.
Ok I've had a few abrupt conversations when they directly say immediately do I want to go to a room which I politely decline because my theory is if they can't be bothered to talk a few minutes there is a good chance it would be a poor room too.
The only real hassle in Sharks has been sometimes the very old lady and mostly with a girl who is Romanian but looks Egyptian, went with the name Olympia.
However despite the countless of visits I've made particularly to Sharks but Oasis & Artemis too I've really had little issues.
It could be that I keep a low profile as many girls claim they have never seen me at the Club before although I've been attending for a few years now?
ExpatLover
02-08-21, 19:24
The only real hassle in Sharks has been sometimes the very old lady and mostly with a girl who is Romanian but looks Egyptian, went with the name Olympia.
Before she was in World, even she will pay me I will never go with her, so many prettier girls in real life for free.
Ok I've had a few abrupt conversations when they directly say immediately do I want to go to a room which I politely decline because my theory is if they can't be bothered to talk a few minutes there is a good chance it would be a poor room too.
However despite the countless of visits I've made particularly to Sharks but Oasis & Artemis too I've really had little issues.
I agree with you. The occasional abrupt conversation when I say I am waiting for a friend. Even when I've talked a bit to feel them out, and said. "maybe later". I've not been berated. Once or twice I've had the aggressive girl in a club, but everyone has had that experience in every different bar or club in the world. That's not FKK specific!
My only truly uncomfortable experience was when I asked for a special services and the girl said NO. And 10 minutes later announced to everyone seated in the area loudly, that the girl seated over near the bar would do what I asked. And when I looked at the completely unattractive lady and said Thank you, No I'll wait. I got a loud. He ASKS FOR SOMETHING AND I FIND HIM SOMEONE AND he SAYS NO. WASTING MY TIME. I felt bad for about half a beer. Then I also realized that for the girls, when you want a special service, it's about the service not the interaction, looks etc. They wouldn't think a guy would or should care about anything other than what his dick gets to do. But I did feel embarrassed until I got up and got a second beer! Then I was happy again!
Yes he spends most of his time playing chess and chatting with his buddies. I have never seen him climb the stairs. I dont think he can.
He is obviously German and I have never seen him go with a hot girl.Papy often go with girls and some stay long time with him, even out of room. I don't remember seeing him going upstairs, but my eyes are more attracted by girls than guys, I let this to followers looking at what you do. When I remember about fire in bed German Sandra discovered on beginning of 2015 at Sharks, so easy going, smiling welcoming, but after around 10 rooms in about 2 months, just weekly as usual, I didn't like when she told me she liked this job, then I answered: job to be fucked by some of your Brad Pitt? Or fast big money? And not a wow look, but a kind girl. Funny was to read she was never free, when she was always smiling welcoming.
Because you don't know that the prettiest girls in America don't dress up in public like Europeans. They are more casual, opting to wear less flattering athletic clothes in public. They also subscribe to the invite only social scene. Pretty women attend events that are worth their efforts, usually through close knit networks. In short, you didn't see them because you weren't invited.Exactly what I thought, when my 4 US visits were when I was in my late 20's or in 30's, with irresistible face and wavy hair, US guys really must hide their pretty girls when I arrived in Florida, all along Miami beach, in restaurants or hotels, same all along the strip from Circus in Las Vegas, same all around San Francisco, Salt Lake, Phoenix, when I walked so many kilometers in streets, real pity they didn't hide fat who made cry my eyes, I even asked hotels desks where were beauties. When I compare to real wow in Russia, or Italy, or Quebec and around even was very cold in November, and France, even French women are not anymore so elegant dressed than before, but my eyes smile daily in Paris. Prettiest seen were 2 Puerto Ricans in Miami and we went by boat to Xanadu, they were always smiling. Nevertheless, US women I talked to were friendly, not so bad and nobody is perfect.
Then I also realized that for the girls, when you want a special service, it's about the service not the interaction, looks etc. They wouldn't think a guy would or should care about anything other than what his dick gets to do. But I did feel embarrassed until I got up and got a second beer! Then I was happy again!That may be true for some women, but not all. So many women think they know and understand men. But the truth is. Far too many of them don't know jack shit about men! Especially the younger ones.
The only real hassle in Sharks has been sometimes the very old lady and mostly with a girl who is Romanian but looks Egyptian, went with the name Olympia.
Before she was in World, even she will pay me I will never go with her, so many prettier girls in real life for free.You mean Sylvana / Donatella from Venezia? I remember my regular at GT telling me about her: how is it possible? But what a impressive stamina. I think she is the only one I see in FKK who could compete with me for resistance. I agree, I would say less than 10% of FKK girls are pretty enough to pay for, but sometimes, can find one who make my eyes smiling, then have to make her be good for me, when not anymore, then next and play again, we are married only for best, but no children, so, easy to divorce. Faster and easier than real life, but not on same level for sex, for my life experience.
That may be true for some women, but not all. So many women think they know and understand men. But the truth is. Far too many of them don't know jack shit about men! Especially the younger ones.But apparently in German FKK, good manner and behavior is the currency get you best service, not money LOL! Believe that! LOL!
It is rather arrogant to assume that all girls cannot communicate effectively in English or that none of them understand good customer service.Some girls do not know BBBJ, I often use BBBJ and they often reply BBBJ? What's that?
I must say some girls in FKK are great communicator, I mean they speak to hundreds of strangers every week or even more.
But all in all, only communication skill I demand in FKK is using their body, tongue and mouth in different way to speaking LOL! Oh and wow most of girls communicate with my penis, anal, tongue, different part of my body just fine LOL! I do not remember what we talked about, but my body remember how they communicated with me LOL!
All they have to say is yes to my communication please lick my anal, ahhhh put your tongue inside, poke it! Ah just lick and suck the tip of my penis, spit on it! Etc LOL! Say yes! LOL!
I agree with you. The occasional abrupt conversation when I say I am waiting for a friend. Even when I've talked a bit to feel them out, and said. "maybe later". I've not been berated. Once or twice I've had the aggressive girl in a club, but everyone has had that experience in every different bar or club in the world. That's not FKK specific!
My only truly uncomfortable experience was when I asked for a special services and the girl said NO. And 10 minutes later announced to everyone seated in the area loudly, that the girl seated over near the bar would do what I asked. And when I looked at the completely unattractive lady and said Thank you, No I'll wait. I got a loud. He ASKS FOR SOMETHING AND I FIND HIM SOMEONE AND he SAYS NO. WASTING MY TIME. I felt bad for about half a beer. Then I also realized that for the girls, when you want a special service, it's about the service not the interaction, looks etc. They wouldn't think a guy would or should care about anything other than what his dick gets to do. But I did feel embarrassed until I got up and got a second beer! Then I was happy again!Man! You must insult back always in FKK! Just tell her she is disgrace for her family or some shit like that really going to sting her heart that she no longer has LOL!
But in FKK, I never had such experience, usually all girls are very nice and polite, only when I refuse session they say something in romanian to me which I don't care, or I also got you sit here and do not go with any girl, I tell them I only go with most pretty girls only and so far I do not even see a girl LOL! These ugly girls are not girls, they are nothing, but a sight pollution LOL!
I had few verbal fight in FKK, but it is good, usually girls treat you better after, in place like FKK, once cannot be weak, a older monger once told me good quote, in brothel one has to act like a working girl, it is good line that I keep in my head and I am polite, but if they don't give me what I want or they are rude to me, they can expect the blow back LOL!
Yes he spends most of his time playing chess and chatting with his buddies. I have never seen him climb the stairs. I dont think he can.
He is obviously German and I have never seen him go with a hot girl.If the guy is in his 70's and over weight, then what can he do? If I am in his shoes, I would still go to room and make girls lick all over me including my ass and also I lick them everywhere.
But I will still be fit in my 70's, this is for sure, but if I can get it up is another question! By the time, I am in my 70's, there will be new version of super pill that is far better than Viagra, Cialis etc! It is about time new one of those should come out! With all these non sense talk of a monger saying I am this and that, claiming a lot of lies or things he does not know as it is in future! We will all need it one day LOL!
Just the statistical absurdity of this claim is hilarious. To say that someone trekked all over a diverse nation of 300 million, yet they couldn't find beautiful women throughout that large of a nation. There wasn't even a caveat, like maybe he couldn't find beautiful hookers, or perhaps that he didn't find American female fashion or make up trends appealing. The absurdity of that statistical improbability just screams clouded judgement rooted in personal disdain for a particular nation. It's a rehashed, scarcely shared opinion that has been discussed here many times over with with numerous posters providing numerous objections. If someone can say that they explored Miami and didn't see beautiful women, where in Miami did they look? The central Greyhound bus station men's bathroom?
It's not surprising though. The USA of the 1990's was a much more racially diverse nation than 1990's France. Incorporate the numerous previous posts that revealed contempt or stereotypical racial judgement, I can understand how someone with an Anglo bias would not find the mixture of white, black, yellow, and various shades of brown people physically attractive. Perhaps he should have stuck to suburban shopping malls in affluent, Caucasian neighborhoods. I think the demographics there would have catered much more to the only-certain-shades are beautiful preference.
That being said, let me share a more balanced perspective of someone who has spent significantly more time exploring the social scenes on both continents (I've actually spent time in social watering holes in both continents, not just touristy downtowns, Disney World, and the Vegas strip). A criticism is that I really wish American women would get their fitness act and health habits together. When in the US, I rarely find myself attracted to 30+ year old women; while in Europe and Asia, I see quite a bit more cougars who remain thin and single. These American chicks on average get married way too early and "let themselves go" much earlier in life. The American dietary and lifestyle habits often leads to many 28 year old Americans having the bodies of 40 year old Europeans and East Asians (however that trend is changing in the more educated and financially affluent crowd). It frustrates me, as I would like to keep some physical / romantic relationships with women closer to my own age. Recent personal history only offers up sub-30 year old women or 30+ divorcees and single mothers who unexpectedly found themselves single and thus the motivation to get their soft bodies in the gym.
Side note, what male with social awareness uses the term "irresistible face" when describing themselves. LOLZ LOLZ LOLZ. I wonder if 1990's women also found a 163 cm, 65 kg male stature to be irresistible.
Exactly what I thought, when my 4 US visits were when I was in my late 20's or in 30's, with irresistible face and wavy hair, US guys really must hide their pretty girls when I arrived in Florida, all along Miami beach, in restaurants or hotels, same all along the strip from Circus in Las Vegas, same all around San Francisco, Salt Lake, Phoenix, when I walked so many kilometers in streets, real pity they didn't hide fat who made cry my eyes,
Some girls do not know BBBJ, I often use BBBJ and they often reply BBBJ? What's that?Say "blow job no condom". They pretty much all get that. Then if you want to cum in the face or mouth say "esperma" or "sperm" and point to the mouth, lips, or face. They get it.
That may be true for some women, but not all. So many women think they know and understand men. But the truth is. Far too many of them don't know jack shit about men! Especially the younger ones.WGs know nothing about sexuality, but just suck and fuck or porn. Funny when I see their eyes when touching them, for sure many never experienced before, even in their private life. You learn more sexuality, sensuality, erotism, with a woman who loves You. Some WGs telling: too much love with You, or: now I can t work after You, but fortunately, most often returning to repeat. About average looks, I won t pay for, but no problem for me about them, as long they don t come to rub on me, or touch my dick, or face or hair, some are really lovely girls even I m not attracted and won t pay for. About some writings, I would like to see the look, when average looks may not even give him a look out of brothels, when having ugly frustrated Woodman for model, what a shame for France, and alpha size don't need to behave like this with women.
Papy often go with girls and some stay long time with him, even out of room. I don't remember seeing him going upstairs, but my eyes are more attracted by girls than guys, I let this to followers looking at what you do. When I remember about fire in bed German Sandra discovered on beginning of 2015 at Sharks, so easy going, smiling welcoming, but after around 10 rooms in about 2 months, just weekly as usual, I didn't like when she told me she liked this job, then I answered: job to be fucked by some of your Brad Pitt? Or fast big money? And not a wow look, but a kind girl. Funny was to read she was never free, when she was always smiling welcoming.You are not special to the girls. You are in no position to judge them. You really should think about what you post.
I wouldn't know who you are if a girl hadn't pointed you out and called you a stalker. Always standing by the stairs at Sharks watching everybody all day.
Nevertheless, US women I talked to were friendly, not so bad and nobody is perfect.You probably went to the wrong states. Florida has the highest obesity rate in USA afaik. Utah keeps their women hidden. San Francisco mainly has geeky women who stays at home in from of their computer.
But you should have tried Indiana, Kentucky or Tennessee. From my own travels to the USA, that's where the hot ones are. The raunchy types that are into country music and wear high heels. Some Texan women also have this cuteness to them.
You are not special to the girls. You are in no position to judge them. You really should think about what you post.
I wouldn't know who you are if a girl hadn't pointed you out and called you a stalker. Always standing by the stairs at Sharks watching everybody all day.From my jobs, I always analyze for strategic places, when I don't need to hold the bar or to speak with guys or only very few, I prefer to try to find a girl and a guy like me got 5 girls, all superstars, for more than 50 hours of sex, 3 of them for more than 5 years, 1 followed my advices and moved to Globe, these girls who are among the prettiest and busiest must really be stupid and they choose me first to start their day, to feel safe and to give them courage, so I don't plan to change, when I'm pretty sure most of girls would like to have me for regular if they knew me, but unfortunately for me, less than 10% are attractive enough for me, and even at big Sharks, even staying on the way to lockers, but I never jumped on any girl like I saw at Bruggen when girls were not even paid yet, but really difficult for me to find a beauty since 2017, only wow Tamara on June 2018 but unfortunately she didn't stay, but I remember when I discovered her on her 5th day, she didn't want to go with other guys after our 3 days with only 1100/60 room, we took breakfast together, my second breakfast to see her beautiful blue eyes and smile in the sun, then her coffee, 1 hour room with her orgasm, return to restaurant, asking me if I wanted again, and she went in her room stopping her day. Fortunately, from my real life, I learned a bit about orgasm, moanings are fake, but closing eyes, opening mouth, breathe going faster, wet coming, nipples hardening, chicken skin, are so much more real, when I stop when porn moanings, no interest, I want women, not porn actresses and my girls are really not on that type.
Just the statistical absurdity of this claim is hilarious. To say that someone trekked all over a diverse nation of 300 million, yet they couldn't find beautiful women throughout that large of a nation. There wasn't even a caveat, like maybe he couldn't find beautiful hookers, or perhaps that he didn't find American female fashion or make up trends appealing. The absurdity of that statistical improbability just screams clouded judgement rooted in personal disdain for a particular nation. It's a rehashed, scarcely shared opinion that has been discussed here many times over with with numerous posters providing numerous objections. If someone can say that they explored Miami and didn't see beautiful women, where in Miami did they look? The central Greyhound bus station men's bathroom?
It's not surprising though. The USA of the 1990's was a much more racially diverse nation than 1990's France. Incorporate the numerous previous posts that revealed contempt or stereotypical racial judgement, I can understand how someone with an Anglo bias would not find the mixture of white, black, yellow, and various shades of brown people physically attractive. Perhaps he should have stuck to suburban shopping malls in affluent, Caucasian neighborhoods. I think the demographics there would have catered much more to the only-certain-shades are beautiful preference.I really wonder where you learned anatomy? Not too far for 163, but 65 kgs, don't you think can't be fit? Did you ever see guys who are used to bicycle climb very steep? Do you know what is 15% steep? And more than 20%? When California st San Francisco is just for my breakfast, I remember police stopped cars on crossroads when seeing me climbing on a tourist rent bicycle, no 34/36 for more than 20%, when I was happy about my speed climbing col de la Loze on last Summer, compare to some tour de France racers, of course at the end of stage for them, but I made mistake to climb Cormet Roselend for 20 kms and nearly 2 hours earlier on same day. I would laugh to see MacGregor or Mayweather climbing this, when I look at my weight which is my enemy for climbing. Do you know a bit what were Tyson models for fighting strategy and to succeed, when we knew he couldn't be strong for 12 rounds, not even 10 , he had to be very fast to succeed, very violent, but only low level stamina for him. Fortunately for him, other boxers didn't understand they just had to protect, resist and wait for his fast exhaustion, when I m used to put my heart higher than 140 and much more, under 35 degrees, for hours, since 20 years, sometimes falling in tachycardia, and I keep on improving my times like good old french wine, so, really easy for me for sex, and without pills.
About US women, when you write they fast become fat and old look, and silicon and tattoos don't help, when 28 yo is still very young for a woman, I can only agree, even when I saw many Caucasian type when I only looked at them on my visits, 2 Puerto Ricans were light hair and not dark skin. Had older women who were still very pretty in my life and even in brothels, but they were not US, when I had nothing against US people when they were welcoming and friendly, but just facts like crazy Trump, so dark lying CIA, covid deaths, MacDo and Cola dietetic and culture, porn valley, free weapons, worrying for a European. I feel much more safe in Europe, except Switzerland.
You probably went to the wrong states. Florida has the highest obesity rate in USA afaik. Utah keeps their women hidden. San Francisco mainly has geeky women who stays at home in from of their computer.
But you should have tried Indiana, Kentucky or Tennessee. From my own travels to the USA, that's where the hot ones are. The raunchy types that are into country music and wear high heels. Some Texan women also have this cuteness to them.Maybe, but I didn't plan to buy a cow nor a bull, maybe I missed Sheryl Crow, before dropped Armstrong. If I return, I would go to NYC and of course I dream of Alaska, already before Velbert. But I really liked San Francisco, keys, Colorado and Utah.
I think most of us know who he is, he is speaking too much to the girls, never trust a prostitute, and in a FKK every thig is lie and bullshit. Personally I stated mongering after 48 and a hard divorce, spent 15 years fucking prostitutes and sorry it was enough for me, fortunately I was able to understand that there is no future for me by doing this.I find funny many guys speaking so much with girls about other guys, some even paying for time in room to speak about me, to show girls my writings, I give easy business for girls, when these guys don't seem to have better to do in room. Also, followers reading everything, even on other forum before, crazy they are so obsessed by other guys, when they seem more interested by guys than girls. At least, I m not just a follower and I go to brothels only to try to find a beauty, not so easy, but not for guys. Gay clubs for this.
Say "blow job no condom". They pretty much all get that. Then if you want to cum in the face or mouth say "esperma" or "sperm" and point to the mouth, lips, or face. They get it.Well obviously I rephrased that to blow job without condom, but I was quite taken by surprise that some girls in the industry do not know BBBJ, though it is good way to see if the girls read this forum or not LOL!
You are not special to the girls. You are in no position to judge them. You really should think about what you post.
I wouldn't know who you are if a girl hadn't pointed you out and called you a stalker. Always standing by the stairs at Sharks watching everybody all day.All one need is good manner and behavior, then in FKK Romanian prostitutes will turn into Romanian princesses and illusion bought with money turn into facts LOL! Believe that LOL!
You probably went to the wrong states. Florida has the highest obesity rate in USA afaik. Utah keeps their women hidden. San Francisco mainly has geeky women who stays at home in from of their computer.
But you should have tried Indiana, Kentucky or Tennessee. From my own travels to the USA, that's where the hot ones are. The raunchy types that are into country music and wear high heels. Some Texan women also have this cuteness to them.Not the wrong state, it is more like- wrong guy with wrong mind set who get everything wrong went to sunshine state of Florida LOL! Where there are no Romanian prostitute LOL!
I really wonder where you learned anatomy?First High school in 1996. Then more in Undergrad in 2003.
Then even more in Medical school in 2007.
Not too far for 163, but 65 kgs, don't you think can't be fit? You're speaking about yourself, we get it. Not being obese is great for your health, good for you. At the same time, a tiny man even with good endurance is not what women find attractive. It's better than being obese but does not mean attractive. Perhaps work on being able to do a pull-up or two.
About US women, when you write they fast become fat and old look, and silicon and tattoos don't help, when 28 yo is still very young for a woman, I can only agree, even when I saw many Caucasian type when I only looked at them on my visits, 2 Puerto Ricans were light hair and not dark skin.I write this because I am objective and truthful rather than delusional. Try it sometime. Most importantly, stop deluding yourself, it may not be too late.
Funny to see so many posters recognize this. Listen to them. It would help you reach inner peace as you enter your golden years.
Maybe, but I didn't plan to buy a cow nor a bull, maybe I missed Sheryl Crow, before dropped Armstrong. If I return, I would go to NYC and of course I dream of Alaska, already before Velbert. But I really liked San Francisco, keys, Colorado and Utah.I meant under dopping to win, even changing part of his blood, US Armstrong after his cancer. I don't compete for this, only pastas, bread, milk and chocolate for me, and stars of passion in eyes and fighting spirit. Look forward again, starting on June until October. No ski in high altitude for intense and violent effort, is real handicap, really felt on last Summer, but will go again to enjoy to bicycle climb most steep, then you feel so powerful. Also great how Italians support us on top of legendary Zoncolan, not far from Wellcum.
Many girls read us, some guys also telling girls our writings. Better to know this, but I don't mind. My only test is when girls know me, do they return to ask for repeat, or not? Figures weekly talk, when no girl never took me to any desk to complain about me. I think girls I choose are lucky to have a client with my behavior to treat them, when they are free if they prefer to go with others. I don t jump on girls, not even running after discovery, I so much prefer they come to me or welcome me, much better for my mind, much more attractive for me.
TonyMontanaaO7
02-10-21, 13:30
This occurred about 10 years ago when I was still working. I had a female partner that was extremely attractive so much so that being recently divorced didn't think I would ever have a chance with this woman. At any rate, one day after work, she needed a ride home which was not out of the way for me so I obliged. On the way home she was holding my thigh explaining that she hasn't been with a man for two years as her fiancé is oversees working. When we arrived at her home she invited me in for a thank you drink so why not as I didn't have anyone at my home either. After one cocktail she leaned over giving me a thank you kiss for bringer her home moving her hand from my thigh to my my genitals. She literally started panting unbuckling my jeans pulling them down along with my boxers. She looked at my cock which was now semi hard making yummy sounds bending down taking my cock into her mouth. With those yummy sounds started to lick and suck the entire shaft for what seemed like an hour. At one point she moved off my cock looked at me and said that she loved the taste of my precum hoping that my cum would taste as good and went back sucking. Wasn't long after that she got to taste what seemed to be a pint of my semen which she did swallowing most but slurping some that didn't make it down to her belly. This became a routine for many months as she told me that she just couldn't enough of my cock and cum. When her fiancé finally came back from oversees, we continued having all sorts of sex whenever possible until they broke off their marriage and we are now husband and wife experiencing the best sex ever which includes the most satisfying oral sex possible as she cannot get enough of my semen?
This occurred about 10 years ago when I was still working. I had a female partner that was extremely attractive so much so that being recently divorced didn't think I would ever have a chance with this woman. At any rate, one day after work, she needed a ride home which was not out of the way for me so I obliged. On the way home she was holding my thigh explaining that she hasn't been with a man for two years as her fianc is oversees working. When we arrived at her home she invited me in for a thank you drink so why not as I didn't have anyone at my home either. After one cocktail she leaned over giving me a thank you kiss for bringer her home moving her hand from my thigh to my my genitals. She literally started panting unbuckling my jeans pulling them down along with my boxers. She looked at my cock which was now semi hard making yummy sounds bending down taking my cock into her mouth. With those yummy sounds started to lick and suck the entire shaft for what seemed like an hour. At one point she moved off my cock looked at me and said that she loved the taste of my precum hoping that my cum would taste as good and went back sucking. Wasn't long after that she got to taste what seemed to be a pint of my semen which she did swallowing most but slurping some that didn't make it down to her belly. This became a routine for many months as she told me that she just couldn't enough of my cock and cum. When her fianc finally came back from oversees, we continued having all sorts of sex whenever possible until they broke off their marriage and we are now husband and wife experiencing the best sex ever which includes the most satisfying oral sex possible as she cannot get enough of my semen?Best BBBJ in FKK is hard to choose because most of these girls are amazing at BBBJ and I never felt so fresh, clean, satisfied and my penis is shining crystal clean like a diamond after some of these girls BBBJ in FKK, and wow some girls can suck dick for like more than 30 min! I am so astonished with their jaws, but if I have to pick one best BBBJ in FKK history! Then I must give it to Geraldine from Aremis who was a Hungarian super star there! She sucked, chew, lick, play with my penis with each corners of her tongue, each part of her lip, even softly with teeth with different face expression, different eye contact, different angles, spit of penis, drink the spit on my penis, drink my cum juice that comes out while sucking, and wow CIM with drinking cum to finish! She is missed!
But there are so many more girls I cannot forget for their technique and time length and also how they sucked, licked, and basically they DFK my penis passionately like they have not eaten food for 3 days! These FKK girls are best memory provider for men! Seriously! I am grateful for the memory that they gave me that I will never forget! And keep me satisfied as a man!
Best BBBJ in FKK is hard to choose because most of these girls are amazing at BBBJ and I never felt so fresh, clean, satisfied and my penis is shining crystal clean like a diamond after some of these girls BBBJ in FKK, and wow some girls can suck dick for like more than 30 min! I am so astonished with their jaws, but if I have to pick one best BBBJ in FKK history! Then I must give it to Geraldine from Aremis who was a Hungarian super star there! She sucked, chew, lick, play with my penis with each corners of her tongue, each part of her lip, even softly with teeth with different face expression, different eye contact, different angles, spit of penis, drink the spit on my penis, drink my cum juice that comes out while sucking, and wow CIM with drinking cum to finish! She is missed!
But there are so many more girls I cannot forget for their technique and time length and also how they sucked, licked, and basically they DFK my penis passionately like they have not eaten food for 3 days! These FKK girls are best memory provider for men! Seriously! I am grateful for the memory that they gave me that I will never forget! And keep me satisfied as a man!The best BBBJ / CIM I ever had was from a Brazilian girl at Globe in Zurich. She sucked the dick so good she had my legs involuntarily lifting up off the bed LOL!
The best BBBJ / CIM I ever had was from a Brazilian girl at Globe in Zurich. She sucked the dick so good she had my legs involuntarily lifting up off the bed LOL!For me blow job experiences are very enigmatic. For me most BBBJs are just an advantageous prelude to sex. Then about once in every 5 years there comes along a girl who absolutely knocks my socks off with a BBBJ to the extent that it is better than vaginal sex itself. I don't know exactly what it is that the girl does but she would have me fidgeting throughout the experience followed by an explosion unaided by human hands.
For me blow job experiences are very enigmatic. For me most BBBJs are just an advantageous prelude to sex. Then about once in every 5 years there comes along a girl who absolutely knocks my socks off with a BBBJ to the extent that it is better than vaginal sex itself. I don't know exactly what it is that the girl does but she would have me fidgeting throughout the experience followed by an explosion unaided by human hands.I remember Maria. De / Ukr in 2015/16 in Sharks did the best BBBJ, in my opinion. I almost got addicted to it. I wonder where she is now, although she must be in her 30's by now.
Most of WGs have low skill for BJ. Rosa at Samya was good. I remember Russian Tatiana at Oase, I did let her taking me in her mouth for 45 mn, just relaxing. I remember a girl telling she was asked by client to suck him for 6 hours.
Not the wrong state, it is more like- wrong guy with wrong mind set who get everything wrong went to sunshine state of Florida LOL! Where there are no Romanian prostitute LOL!So true! I was many Time in Florida, and the number of good looking chicks was more than average.
The best BBBJ / CIM I ever had was from a Brazilian girl at Globe in Zurich. She sucked the dick so good she had my legs involuntarily lifting up off the bed LOL!Senpai cane knocked out by Brazilian Mike Tyson LOL! Iron Mike Blow Job LOL!
I think very highly of Globe Zurich, I know the price difference between Germany and Swiss FKK, but last time I was at globe, I had amazing service that are promised, I get that in German FKK too, but all these talks and negotiation are annoying and I love this feeling that any girls here will provide this instead of ok let go to the room and do my negotiation and see if it settle for 150 euro or 200 euro for one hour all inclusive of what I want you know rimjob, crazy DFK etc.
But you are the butt man LOL! So Bruce Wayne in globe can cost extra 200 chf to turn himself into butt man LOL!
So true! I was many Time in Florida, and the number of good looking chicks was more than average.This is my take, in any city or country beautiful girls exist, just concentration of them may differ. Like FKK, there are some tendency of line up, same with cities.
For me blow job experiences are very enigmatic. For me most BBBJs are just an advantageous prelude to sex. Then about once in every 5 years there comes along a girl who absolutely knocks my socks off with a BBBJ to the extent that it is better than vaginal sex itself. I don't know exactly what it is that the girl does but she would have me fidgeting throughout the experience followed by an explosion unaided by human hands.For me blow job experience is my penis being in one of the place where penis belong, which are in the stunner beauties mouth, pussy or anal.
I only wish there is some luxury underwear sold to men which can transport your penis from inside such underwear into beautiful stunner girls mouth of your choice for 50 euro for 30 min LOL!
So true! I was many Time in Florida, and the number of good looking chicks was more than average.Just depend on standards you got in your life, but when you are used to French women and they got better care for elegance and charm on times I visited US, then your eyes have problems in US. I saw prettier in and around Quebec and I don't even say in Russia, land of beauties, even don't mean all Russian women are pretty, but my eyes smile in Russian streets and not only about architecture or culture which is also so far higher level. Most difficult for me when I visit FKK is to find attractive looks which are rare for me, I was sometimes told 200 girls at Sharks on Fridays and I turned around and around the bar for about 15 hours, like a marathon, but no marathon sex, only exhausted in mind because on so many visits, couldn't find any desirable girl for me. And not only at Sharks, but even Globe Zurich where number 2 manager told me: I prefer when you find a good girl for you, seeing me leaving so many times with no room. But, when before covid, I could go when I wanted, I behave German: eating, drinking, no beer for me, no sauna but long time shower for me, and if no beauty, no big problem, tomorrow may be better elsewhere. So, when I find a rare beauty for me, I prefer to repeat with her and I like to repeat weekly as long it s good for me, but girls have to deserve me, or they can go with others if they prefer. Usually, most return to my behavior valuating women, among feeling prostitute piece of meat most of their day.
Most of WGs have low skill for BJ. Rosa at Samya was good. I remember Russian Tatiana at Oase, I did let her taking me in her mouth for 45 mn, just relaxing. I remember a girl telling she was asked by client to suck him for 6 hours.I wonder if he stayed hard for the entire six hours. Or did he get hard, get soft again then get hard again, etc. I would probably try that but not with a wg. That's EUR 600 for a blow job!
SI think very highly of Globe Zurich, I know the price difference between Germany and Swiss FKK, but last time I was at globe, I had amazing service that are promised, I get that in German FKK too, but all these talks and negotiation are annoying and I love this feeling that any girls here will provide this instead of ok let go to the room and do my negotiation and see if it settle for 150 euro or 200 euro for one hour all inclusive of what I want you know rimjob, crazy DFK etc.Why do you wait until you're in the room to negotiate? Why don't you get it out of the way and do it before going to the room? That way you can concentrate on enjoying the session. This is how I do. By the time we're in the zimmer, the negotiations have been concluded, and typically the girl delivers. If not, is she doesn't, then that would be the only time negotiations might pick up or resume in the room.
I wonder if he stayed hard for the entire six hours. Or did he get hard, get soft again then get hard again, etc. I would probably try that but not with a wg. That's EUR 600 for a blow job!I didn't ask her about him, I just remember she told me she had pain in neck, back, mouth and she had very wet eyes, it was just sad to see her, when she was usually smiling. I wish she made good money.
On other point, when I often heard WGs telling me they are cold, or catching cold when going outside to eat or to go to chalets at Bruggen, cold feet even with stockings, but erotic game for me to put them off stockings in bed, looking my way with round eyes, for sure they never saw before, I also like to put them off panties and how they look at me, real FKK being less erotic for me, but my point was when minus 0 on this week in Paris, I saw girls working in streets under such cold, when my teams didn't work. Sad to see this girls staying whole day in the cold, bastards pimps.
ExpatLover
02-12-21, 17:34
Why do you wait until you're in the room to negotiate? Why don't you get it out of the way and do it before going to the room? That way you can concentrate on enjoying the session. This is how I do. By the time we're in the zimmer, the negotiations have been concluded, and typically the girl delivers. If not, is she doesn't, then that would be the only time negotiations might pick up or resume in the room.Sorry to repeat, I never negotiate something just because for me only the beauty matters, I don't want rimjob, and I don't want to give one, I don't want to kiss, I don't kiss a prostitute who already rimjobed some guys before me or guys CIM and she didn't wash her mouth.
So true! I was many Time in Florida, and the number of good looking chicks was more than average.1. Someone visiting a bunch of tourist attractions will hardly run into attractive single women in the USA.
2. A European expecting to see pretty women when "walking" on the street obviously doesn't understand that Americans don't walk anywhere, especially pretty girls.
3. If one does not not drink or smoke, I assume they do not attend late night social venues where one would find the highest concentration of attractive people.
Why do you wait until you're in the room to negotiate? Why don't you get it out of the way and do it before going to the room? That way you can concentrate on enjoying the session. This is how I do. By the time we're in the zimmer, the negotiations have been concluded, and typically the girl delivers. If not, is she doesn't, then that would be the only time negotiations might pick up or resume in the room.To each his own way. Many would agree with your practice of keeping the WG-client relationship purely transactional. As such, having all of the loose ends taken cared of before entering the room would be prudent. But I actually tend to align with the same philosophy as the resident French poet here. I leave a little of it up to what the girl is willing to offer without me asking for it. The organic development of the session is part of the fun. For instance, when a girl asks me what I like to do in the room, I say, "I don't have a program." The most I would do is to commit to an hour room as to give her some sense that I am not looking for a 50 euro, 29 min and 30 second room with BBBJ, DATY, DFK all included. That's my olive branch to her to see what she would do given a guaranteed 100 e to begin with. That strategy has worked well in most clubs, with Oase being the one that gives the most resistance.
Now, I never expect CIM, Anal, or any traditional charged extras to be given for free, but if the girl is willing to give good service otherwise (uncovered, kissing, engaged), all the better, and better for my ego and thus leads to a better overall experience. If she doesn't, there are dozens of other girls who would. It just makes choosing from the lot a little easier for the next room. Worst case scenario, I paid market price for basic service and the girl is relegated to "standby" status for when there are no better options on a slow line up day. Or as a warm up room as I have no problem with the first fuck of the day being a basic service 20 minute opti-fuck.
Now for some special services such as anal, rimming, Sadomasochism, etc, I'd tend to agree with you. For instance, guys dead set on anal who takes a girl should ensure that it is even on the menu to begin with.
To each his own way. Many would agree with your practice of keeping the WG-client relationship purely transactional. As such, having all of the loose ends taken cared of before entering the room would be prudent. But I actually tend to align with the same philosophy as the resident French poet here. I leave a little of it up to what the girl is willing to offer without me asking for it. The organic development of the session is part of the fun. For instance, when a girl asks me what I like to do in the room, I say, "I don't have a program." The most I would do is to commit to an hour room as to give her some sense that I am not looking for a 50 euro, 29 min and 30 second room with BBBJ, DATY, DFK all included. That's my olive branch to her to see what she would do given a guaranteed 100 e to begin with. That strategy has worked well in most clubs, with Oase being the one that gives the most resistance. Now for some special services such as anal, rimming, Sadomasochism, etc, I'd tend to agree with you. For instance, guys dead set on anal who takes a girl should ensure that it is even on the menu to begin with.So you better ask first! Look, my approach is not "purely transactional" in any sense of those words. I'm the kind of man who knows what he wants, and I believe that if a man wants something, then he needs to do what it takes to get it. When it comes to dealing with tutes, that means you ought to inquire about the services that you want versus leaving it all up to chance. If you want it and don't get it, and you didn't ask for it, then there is no basis to complain. And you can ask in a way that is easy-going and friendly and that sets the stage for a pleasant experience for both, without being calculating and cold. Or "purely transactional" as you put it. That's not how I go about it at all. I smile, maybe crack a few jokes and make her laugh. It's a normal conversation (well at least for an FKK). But I do know what I like sexually, including lots of anal sex, and that's something it behooves a monger to inquire about because not all girls offer that. Same with CIM and other "specialties" as you noted. Now, if one is a man like you who doesn't seem to have a lot of requirements and is ready to accept what the girl gives him, OK. Don't negotiate so much before you go to the room then ("negotiate" is probably too strong a word anyway). But, based on my many decades of living, I know that most men (people) are not like that. There are things they want out of life. Could be a butt fuck LOL! So for them, my advice would be to get it out onto the table first before going to the room. It doesn't have to be like you're trying to establish a formal contract, but learn the menu, and if it's to your liking? Deal! So go for it!
Now for some special services such as anal, rimming, Sadomasochism, etc, I'd tend to agree with you. For instance, guys dead set on anal who takes a girl should ensure that it is even on the menu to begin with.
WISE WORDS!!! Cornerstone of my philosophy! And really only one girl has ever said "depends on size and how I feel" and at least I understood that was likely to be a no once we were inside the room. And as you said Mursenary, the optics were good enough not to care!
And as you said Mursenary, the optics were good enough not to care!I never, ever go with a girl just for optics alone. If she's a 10 but won't do what I want, or won't do it well, then I don't want her. I'd rather session with a 7 who does absolutely everything I want exceedingly well versus "settle" on a 10 who's a lousy fuck per my wishes and desires. Optics aren't totally irrelevant to me. I mean, I won't session with anybody who isn't at least a 7 on my personal scale. And I will speak with the 7 about everything before going to the room to gain assurances and confidence regarding the outcome of the session. And once they become a regular, you don't have to "negotiate". You know how it's all going to go down. Steffi at Oase oh my God was she good and "delivered" every single time! Miss that blue-eyed, blonde, pink, Ruskie butt hole of hers!
I never, ever go with a girl just for optics alone. If she's a 10 but won't do what I want, or won't do it well, then I don't want her. I'd rather session with a 7 who does absolutely everything I want exceedingly well versus "settle" on a 10 who's a lousy fuck per my wishes and desires. Optics aren't totally irrelevant to me. I mean, I won't session with anybody who isn't at least a 7 on my personal scale. And I will speak with the 7 about everything before going to the room to gain assurances and confidence regarding the outcome of the session. And once they become a regular, you don't have to "negotiate". You know how it's all going to go down. Steffi at Oase oh my God was she good and "delivered" every single time! Miss that blue-eyed, blonde, pink, Ruskie butt hole of hers!I go only with optic because my mindset is that she will eventually do what I want, which they all eventually do, DFK etc is easy part from first session, but how many time I heard I do not do that to anyone or I only do that to my boyfriend to my rimjob demand LOL Then the next level is NO! To my telling them to put tongue inside my ass LOL! It is not easy being butt man in different way, but bruce is going to be butt man in FKK eventually LOL! It is good that rimjob is being more and more accepted in FKK, when I began back in 2009, it was quite a negotiation that needed sometime to repeat few time!
Why do you wait until you're in the room to negotiate? Why don't you get it out of the way and do it before going to the room? That way you can concentrate on enjoying the session. This is how I do. By the time we're in the zimmer, the negotiations have been concluded, and typically the girl delivers. If not, is she doesn't, then that would be the only time negotiations might pick up or resume in the room.Because I like rimjob and girls do not like negotiating that in public as they do not do rimjob to everyone and even with some services they often tell me do not tell anyone, so I do all negotiation in room and they will quickly find out I am not the type they can play with, so for me it works better for me to negotiate in room and I tell them straight that I could have ask you out side, but I am asking now in room because I know how things works and respect your privacy and I go on about how clean my ass is, it is shaved etc.
I understand what you mean about negotiating outside, but for me I take her to the room and then negotiate inside, and so far in past 10 years, it worked out very well except one girl, that the service was good enough for normal standard, but not dirty and hardcore as I would have wanted! And another one that I took to room and close up look to her face, I realized she is not stunner to my level, so I cancelled the session due to her not being stunner looking enough, and wow she was pissed even though I did offer her 50 euro and did pay 50 euro, it was big scene me calling her ugly monster etc that she is lucky I even spoke to her LOL this is after she was not polite to her cancellation even though I was very polite at palace first small bar that used to exist where money locker was LOL! So only one girl failed and another one I sent back was I made mistake with magic lighting of FKK LOL! But I do conduct final close up check of the face before taking her to room and once in the room, face is most important for me!
I only check the optic outside so carefully to insane level and all other negotiation happens in room! And it served me fine so far for 10 years!
Some monger think prostitutes are princesses that return to the monger, no she return to money LOL! Delusional patients can be taken care of well in German FKK LOL! Let the man hallucinate confusing illusion prostitute sell to you as facts LOL!
They forget the paying money part LOL!
To each his own way. Many would agree with your practice of keeping the WG-client relationship purely transactional. As such, having all of the loose ends taken cared of before entering the room would be prudent. But I actually tend to align with the same philosophy as the resident French poet here. I leave a little of it up to what the girl is willing to offer without me asking for it. The organic development of the session is part of the fun. For instance, when a girl asks me what I like to do in the room, I say, "I don't have a program." The most I would do is to commit to an hour room as to give her some sense that I am not looking for a 50 euro, 29 min and 30 second room with BBBJ, DATY, DFK all included. That's my olive branch to her to see what she would do given a guaranteed 100 e to begin with. That strategy has worked well in most clubs, with Oase being the one that gives the most resistance.
Now, I never expect CIM, Anal, or any traditional charged extras to be given for free, but if the girl is willing to give good service otherwise (uncovered, kissing, engaged), all the better, and better for my ego and thus leads to a better overall experience. If she doesn't, there are dozens of other girls who would. It just makes choosing from the lot a little easier for the next room. Worst case scenario, I paid market price for basic service and the girl is relegated to "standby" status for when there are no better options on a slow line up day. Or as a warm up room as I have no problem with the first fuck of the day being a basic service 20 minute opti-fuck.
Now for some special services such as anal, rimming, Sadomasochism, etc, I'd tend to agree with you. For instance, guys dead set on anal who takes a girl should ensure that it is even on the menu to begin with.Because it is transactiona though as long as money is involved which is surely involved in FKK, but apparently there is a monger who get away with just good manner and behavior, allegedly LOL! Confused in delusion with the lies prostitutes sell to some monger LOL!
I do agree that being nice, knowing to when, how and what to push and pull during negotiation take you far in FKK, but some monger claim stories that is purely is delusional, which is kinda famous for that in forum LOL!
ExpatLover
02-13-21, 09:30
I never, ever go with a girl just for optics alone. If she's a 10 but won't do what I want, or won't do it well, then I don't want her. I'd rather session with a 7 who does absolutely everything I want exceedingly well versus "settle" on a 10 who's a lousy fuck per my wishes and desires. Optics aren't totally irrelevant to me. I mean, I won't session with anybody who isn't at least a 7 on my personal scale. And I will speak with the 7 about everything before going to the room to gain assurances and confidence regarding the outcome of the session. And once they become a regular, you don't have to "negotiate". You know how it's all going to go down. Steffi at Oase oh my God was she good and "delivered" every single time! Miss that blue-eyed, blonde, pink, Ruskie butt hole of hers!Sorry but optic is the only difference between normal life and P6. Why to pay for average looking girls? Those women are available for free in real life. My best sex was never with a prostitute and some normal girls are doing more dirty things than any prostitute.
I never, ever go with a girl just for optics alone. If she's a 10 but won't do what I want, or won't do it well, then I don't want her. I'd rather session with a 7 who does absolutely everything I want exceedingly well versus "settle" on a 10 who's a lousy fuck per my wishes and desires. Optics aren't totally irrelevant to me. I mean, I won't session with anybody who isn't at least a 7 on my personal scale. And I will speak with the 7 about everything before going to the room to gain assurances and confidence regarding the outcome of the session. And once they become a regular, you don't have to "negotiate". You know how it's all going to go down. Steffi at Oase oh my God was she good and "delivered" every single time! Miss that blue-eyed, blonde, pink, Ruskie butt hole of hers!Wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments.
I never, ever go with a girl just for optics alone. If she's a 10 but won't do what I want, or won't do it well, then I don't want her. I'd rather session with a 7 who does absolutely everything I want exceedingly well versus "settle" on a 10 who's a lousy fuck per my wishes and desires. Optics aren't totally irrelevant to me. I mean, I won't session with anybody who isn't at least a 7 on my personal scale. And I will speak with the 7 about everything before going to the room to gain assurances and confidence regarding the outcome of the session. And once they become a regular, you don't have to "negotiate". You know how it's all going to go down. Steffi at Oase oh my God was she good and "delivered" every single time! Miss that blue-eyed, blonde, pink, Ruskie butt hole of hers!Each is own and I know many guys think princess behavior beauties won't be good with them, but from what I learned with women of my life, from image they gave me and women can give back so much when they are happy with you, so I look for woman image and manners and princess behavior beauties are the closest of my standard from my real life. When I go to a girl, I don't play grocer for discount when all girls don't have same value for me, nor beggar for services, I just look how she reacts when we are talking, how she speaks and how she looks at me, and then I decide if she may be on my type, but I always tell girls: You decide if You want we go, most seeming not to understand on first time, for sure they are not used to this, but so important for my mind, same like when they return to repeat, when I would not be able to run after a prostitute more than for discovery, would be too boring for my mind, same like taking ticket to wait. After look and manners which have to motivate my desire, I don t care much about porn performances, I prefer girls trust me and follow me to adapt and improve together, so much more enjoyable for me. I made a low level in bed on discovery at LR becoming my best girl and a average level on discovery at Velbert improving so much for woman in bed, and this process is close of what happen in real life: we discover, we adapt and we build together, so, much more interesting for my pleasure, than playing porn, when I really hate when girls say: You fuck like a pornstar, feeling insulted, when enjoying sex like at home, what I look for and girls who have the image for. When they don t have anymore this image, I stopped with my best girl, even our last time was really good with our usual weekly 2 1 h30 rooms, but image makes my desire or not. Elegant beauties with charming manners worth more expensive for me, when less than 10% of FKK girls attract me, too picky as say girls who can sometimes be angry I prefer not to go to room than wasting my money being frustrated and feeling really uncomfortable with a girl who doesn't make me dream so I don't like when she touch me, and after covid first wave 3 months break, became even pickier, but still found few enjoyable on 2020 and a charming Ukrainian on beginning of this year. Wish for new ones to discover.
Because I like rimjob and girls do not like negotiating that in public as they do not do rimjob to everyone and even with some services they often tell me do not tell anyone, so I do all negotiation in room and they will quickly find out I am not the type they can play with, so for me it works better for me to negotiate in room and I tell them straight that I could have ask you out side, but I am asking now in room because I know how things works and respect your privacy and I go on about how clean my ass is, it is shaved etc.Unless you're talking all loud or next to other people who can hear, this explanation does not make sense to me at all. When I get down to business with a girl, I do it quietly, and I'm quite confident that nobody else can hear exactly what we're talking about. If I can do that, then so can anybody else. Why commit to a session by going to the room, then talking about what you want? Does not make sense to me at all. I don't want to go to the room until I know what's on the menu first.
Sorry but optic is the only difference between normal life and P6. Why to pay for average looking girls? Those women are available for free in real life. My best sex was never with a prostitute and some normal girls are doing more dirty things than any prostitute.A 7 at an FKK is no "average" girl. She's taking cum in the lips and dick up the butt hole on the "first date". Sure, there are 7's in "normal life" who will do that for free. But, the huge difference is that "normal" girls are also normally too much work. You typically have to do too much, put up with too much, and wait too long. And if you put a ring on her finger, it's over. And if you don't put a ring on her finger it's still over because she will look for a guy who will. Fuck it! Dealing with the tutes I'm high volume fucking like a rock star! What good is a 10 if she won't do what you want, the way you want, when you want? You have to have the right combination of looks and performance. A 10 who doesn't deliver isn't worth a damn! You can get those for free too LOL! But then as any man with any sense knows, it's never "free"!
ExpatLover
02-13-21, 19:06
A 7 at an FKK is no "average" girl. She's taking cum in the lips and dick up the butt hole on the "first date". Sure, there are 7's in "normal life" who will do that for free. But, the huge difference is that "normal" girls are also normally too much work. You typically have to do too much, put up with too much, and wait too long. And if you put a ring on her finger, it's over. And if you don't put a ring on her finger it's still over because she will look for a guy who will. Fuck it! Dealing with the tutes I'm high volume fucking like a rock star! What good is a 10 if she won't do what you want, the way you want, when you want? You have to have the right combination of looks and performance. A 10 who doesn't deliver isn't worth a damn! You can get those for free too LOL! But then as any man with any sense knows, it's never "free"!Sorry my experiences are different, women are interested in sex like men, many women don t want to married, they just want to see if they are still able to seduce or just having sex without any future. We can debate long time about 7 or 9 or 10, for me many times I left Shark or Oase without any room just because I was not able to find any beauty, another example is the LU from Artemis in 18/19 not 1 girl was looking good enough to have a room with. I don t pay for sex, I pay for beauty.
So you better ask first! Look, my approach is not "purely transactional" in any sense of those words. I'm the kind of man who knows what he wants, and I believe that if a man wants something, then he needs to do what it takes to get it. When it comes to dealing with tutes, that means you ought to inquire about the services that you want versus leaving it all up to chance. If you want it and don't get it, and you didn't ask for it, then there is no basisI think that was my point, if you don't have a specific list of things that you absolutely require, say anal, CIM, etc, then there is less of a need to talk about the transactional side of things. I don't use the word transactional to belittle what you get out of your sessions, just to describe the pay for specifics, ensuring-all-of-the-details nature of the room.
I think using the term, "if you're the type of man who knows what he wants," is a bit needlessly passive aggressively insulting. There's a connotation that not having predetermined specifics implies for a lesser man. I want a lot of things. I just don't need to have all of those things ensured all of the time. For work and business, sure, I have all I's and T's checked and crossed. But for leisure activities, it is the difference between the types who go on vacations and being spontaneous versus the type who have a checklist and an itinerary. The former may be less efficient and there may be lost time, but they also keep the door wide open for pleasant surprises. The latter may check every premeditated activity off of the list, but also creates few opportunities to discover things that never crossed their minds.
But that is just the difference between mindsets. Some people see wildcards as opportunities for disappointment, while others may see wildcards as opportunities for pleasant surprises or discovery of new things.
As I tell the girls, I don't have a program. And if her service was so-so, I didn't lose. An opti-fuck for 50 euro is still worth the base rate.
BigBuddy69
02-13-21, 22:04
Some monger think prostitutes are princesses that return to the monger, no she return to money LOL! Delusional patients can be taken care of well in German FKK LOL! Let the man hallucinate confusing illusion prostitute sell to you as facts LOL!
They forget the paying money part LOL!What's the best when you're a lunatic, paying a therapist or paying a working girl? At least the WG sucks your dick. But she also fuels your delusions, although she doesn't do it on purpose.
A 7 at an FKK is no "average" girl. She's taking cum in the lips and dick up the butt hole on the "first date". Sure, there are 7's in "normal life" who will do that for free. But, the huge difference is that "normal" girls are also normally too much work. You typically have to do too much, put up with too much, and wait too long. And if you put a ring on her finger, it's over. And if you don't put a ring on her finger it's still over because she will look for a guy who will. Fuck it! Dealing with the tutes I'm high volume fucking like a rock star! What good is a 10 if she won't do what you want, the way you want, when you want? You have to have the right combination of looks and performance. A 10 who doesn't deliver isn't worth a damn! You can get those for free too LOL! But then as any man with any sense knows, it's never "free"!Truth bomb from der Cane. She's never yours, it's just your turn. We don't pay to F 'them, we pay for them to leave LOL.
Sorry my experiences are different, women are interested in sex like men, many women don t want to married, they just want to see if they are still able to seduce or just having sex without any future. We can debate long time about 7 or 9 or 10, for me many times I left Shark or Oase without any room just because I was not able to find any beauty, another example is the LU from Artemis in 18/19 not 1 girl was looking good enough to have a room with. I don t pay for sex, I pay for beauty.I hate it for you! It's as if you need beauty in your life so badly that you're willing to pay for it even if you are left feeling unsatisfied sexually after the session. In my view, that's nothing that any man should aspire to. We got needs too! But you're right on 7 or 9 or 10 or whatever. That's very subjective. You may recall that somebody posted a picture of a girl the other day, and a couple of mongers opined that she was a 10. To me her face was ugly as hell, she looked anorexic, and I wouldn't pay her for either sex or beauty! But me personally, when I do pay, I'm paying for both actually. And don't get me wrong. The ultimate would be a 10 who gives me the sex how I want it. But, in order to get that sex how I want it, I'm perfectly willing to go down to a 7 (that's still a cutie in my system) in order to get the kind and quality of sexual service that I want and need in order to to be sexually fulfilled. If a 10 won't (or can't) do it, but a 7 can, then I'm going with the 7! But, I won't go lower than a 7 on my scale. I'd rather just not fuck LOL!
I think using the term, "if you're the type of man who knows what he wants," is a bit needlessly passive aggressively insulting. There's a connotation that not having predetermined specifics implies for a lesser man. I want a lot of things. I just don't need to have all of those things ensured all of the time. For work and business, sure, I have all I's and T's checked and crossed. But for leisure activities, it is the difference between the types who go on vacations and being spontaneous versus the type who have a checklist and an itinerary. The former may be less efficient and there may be lost time, but they also keep the door wide open for pleasant surprises. The latter may check every premeditated activity off of the list, but also creates few opportunities to discover things that never crossed their minds. An opti-fuck for 50 euro is still worth the base rate.And I viewed your use of the words "purely transactional" in the same way. And when you boil it all down, I guess that's the difference between you and me. You see, an opti-fuck for 50 euros that doesn't deliver what I want during the session, and especially when all I had to do was inquire and ask to set expectations and gain assurances, is totally not worth it to me. Like for any other service I pay for, I want to do what I can to make sure I'm getting my money's worth. I want value for my money, and a tute looking like a 10 isn't good enough. I want it all! Especially when I'm traveling thousands of miles over the oceans to tap some ass. At the same time, I have to be reasonable. I may not be able to find a tute 10 who will deliver it all how I want it. So, I must sacrifice sometimes, and will happily do so down to a 7 if that's what it takes. But no lower! I do have taste and optics standards that I consider to be relatively high.
What's the best when you're a lunatic, paying a therapist or paying a working girl? At least the WG sucks your dick. But she also fuels your delusions, although she doesn't do it on purpose.Yeah, I would choose working girl if I am delusional LOL, but we have one on forum LOL!
Unless you're talking all loud or next to other people who can hear, this explanation does not make sense to me at all. When I get down to business with a girl, I do it quietly, and I'm quite confident that nobody else can hear exactly what we're talking about. If I can do that, then so can anybody else. Why commit to a session by going to the room, then talking about what you want? Does not make sense to me at all. I don't want to go to the room until I know what's on the menu first.Rationally discussing outside the room first then go to room make more sense, but I have been doing it in the room and so far it worked out well, but maybe I try the opposite one day! Only specific demand that outstand is rimjob for me, and I won't have problem with that so far, so I will see.
And I viewed your use of the words "purely transactional" in the same way. And when you boil it all down, I guess that's the difference between you and me. You see, an opti-fuck for 50 euros that doesn't deliver what I want during the session, and especially when all I had to do was inquire and ask to set expectations and gain assurances, is totally not worth it to me. Like for any other service I pay for, I want to do what I can to make sure I'm getting my money's worth. Especially when I'm traveling thousands of miles over the oceans to tap some ass.I travel over Siberia LOL!
What's the best when you're a lunatic, paying a therapist or paying a working girl? At least the WG sucks your dick. But she also fuels your delusions, although she doesn't do it on purpose.Who says she isn't doing it on purpose LOL! It's just that with certain mongers, due to their predispositions, they're more susceptible to a tute's "charms" haha!
ExpatLover
02-14-21, 06:12
I hate it for you! It's as if you need beauty in your life so badly that you're willing to pay for it even if you are left feeling unsatisfied sexually after the session. In my view, that's nothing that any man should aspire to. We got needs too! But you're right on 7 or 9 or 10 or whatever. That's very subjective. You may recall that somebody posted a picture of a girl the other day, and a couple of mongers opined that she was a 10. To me her face was ugly as hell, she looked anorexic, and I wouldn't pay her for either sex or beauty! But me personally, when I do pay, I'm paying for both actually. And don't get me wrong. The ultimate would be a 10 who gives me the sex how I want it. But, in order to get that sex how I want it, I'm perfectly willing to go down to a 7 (that's still a cutie in my system) in order to get the kind and quality of sexual service that I want and need in order to to be sexually fulfilled. If a 10 won't (or can't) do it, but a 7 can, then I'm going with the 7! But, I won't go lower than a 7 on my scale. I'd rather just not fuck LOL!I think that my endless search of extremely beautiful girls in FKK is a kind of excuse to myself, ok you are paying for prostitutes but they are young, fresh, natural beauties and for you now in the 60 that is impossible to get them in real life. I am always feeling guilty to pay for sex and I feel frustrated by doing it. I am used to fight in my life to get the things and just putting money on the table and the prostitute open her legs or mouth was never consider for me has a success or a great achievement.
My only truly uncomfortable experience was when I asked for a special services and the girl said NO. And 10 minutes later announced to everyone seated in the area loudly, that the girl seated over near the bar would do what I asked. And when I looked at the completely unattractive lady and said Thank you, No I'll wait. I got a loud. He ASKS FOR SOMETHING AND I FIND HIM SOMEONE AND he SAYS NO. WASTING MY TIME. I felt bad for about half a beer. Then I also realized that for the girls, when you want a special service, it's about the service not the interaction, looks etc. They wouldn't think a guy would or should care about anything other than what his dick gets to do. But I did feel embarrassed until I got up and got a second beer! Then I was happy again!I would not tolerate this behaviour. I will report it to the management, not the receptionist. Follow it up with the email.
Yes, but NRW line up stunner never satisfy me, I found one or two, but it is after moving to few FKK in one day! And in GT, it is so packed with guys all the time LOL! Most day, it was like GT, then LR with discount entry ticket after GT and then I end up in oceans LOL! Like a professional stunner prostitute hunter LOL!
There are few regulars in Artemis that are local, I came to know a few, and also most of these old folks on Monday are from local, they are retired people, but yes most are foreigners! However, it is in those upsell rip off club that I found stunner of stunner as they all go for the cashcow FKK! And as for service, I always managed to get what I want and I am into more hardcore session than most of other fellow mongers!
Everyone experience will be different. Beauty is on the eye of their beholders. Also, it will depend on when you are coming whether you want to spend time to particularly looking for stunners. Keep in mind Studenr get book very ofte, so you will not find them easily in the lounge.
Like the psot from "The cane", You may recall that somebody posted a picture of a girl the other day, and a couple of mongers said she was a 10 and said $150 (?) is too cheap. Like him to me she was not a stunner, let alone a 10.
I personally do not think that the quality of LU in Artemis is better than many LU in FKKs in NRW. Keep in mind there are a numer of FKK around Cologne, Dusseldorf, NRW. Also there have been reports people sharing good experience with Samya, Living Room, Oceans, Golden Time etc.
ExpatLover
02-14-21, 12:14
Everyone experience will be different. Also, it will depend on when you are coming whether you want to spend time to look for stunners.
I personally do not think that the quality of LU in Artemis is better than many LU in FKKs in NRW. Keep in mind there are a lot of them. Also there have been reports people sharing good experience with Samya, Living Room, Oceans, Golden Time etc.The best LU for me were, World, Oase, Shark from 2010 to 2015, after 2015 most of the LU have started to depressed a bit with mostly the same veteran girls around switching from one FKK to another or from escort in London, Dublin. To FKK. After 2017, and the new law globally less young, natural beauties around but sometimes I could find my luck in Samya. Concerning Artemis, mostly veteran girls in relations with HA guys, with sili, Botox. Despite several tentative I never found my luck there. LU from GT and LR are at the same level for me as Artemis not worth my time and money, Ocean was a beautiful club but the LU was never at the level of the premises, stopped also to go there.
These are the girls I refer previouosly in this Thread. And it seems like it is heavily photoshopped
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=2526687[/URL]#post2526687
I am not quite aure though whether they work in Artemis.
Crsytal.
https://www.berlinintim.com/callgirl-crystal-52074.html?t=WLMPW
Veronica Leal.
https://www.berlinintim.com/gastmodell-veronica_leal-52647.html?t=WLXPW
Both are slightly above average but to me like the Cane opinion, they are not a stunner, let alone, a 10?
Veronica Leal is a well-known Pornstars. Pornstars get fucked by many guys with a very rough ways, without condom, anal, humiliation, cum in mouth, Swallow the pride, slapping, get 6"+ three cocks on their three holes at the same time you name it. Guess how much they get paid for a scene?
Many porn stars get paid less than EUR 800 (already in high bracket) for a scene (one full day work 5-6 hours). This is based what is reported what Woodman (High end porn production house in Europe). Will normally pay for a scene.
If you could get to know how find them directly where they work as a normal WGs without their pornstar celebrities you might het them for lower than $100 an hour.
ExpatLover
02-14-21, 14:14
These are the girls I refer previouosly in this Thread. And it seems like it is heavily photoshopped
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=2526687
I am not quite aure though whether they work in Artemis.
Crsytal.
https://www.berlinintim.com/callgirl-crystal-52074.html?t=WLMPW
Veronica Leal.
https://www.berlinintim.com/gastmodell-veronica_leal-52647.html?t=WLXPW
Both are slightly above average but to me like the Cane opinion, they are not a stunner, let alone, a 10?
Veronica Leal is a well-known Pornstars. Pornstars get fucked by many guys with a very rough ways, without condom, anal, humiliation, cum in mouth, Swallow the pride, slapping, get 6"+ three cocks on their three holes at the same time you name it. Guess how much they get paid for a scene?
Many porn stars get paid less than EUR 800 (already in high bracket) for a scene (one full day work 5-6 hours). This is based what is reported what Woodman (High end porn production house in Europe). Will normally pay for a scene.
If you could get to know how find them directly where they work as a normal WGs without their pornstar celebrities you might het them for lower than $100 an hour.The girls are not stupid they are perfectly aware about what they will have to do in a porn. Hungary has one of the lowest unemployment rate in europe, jobs are easy to find, now if the girls prefer to be a prostitute it is there own choice.
Veronica Leal is a well-known Pornstars. Pornstars get fucked by many guys with a very rough ways, without condom, anal, humiliation, cum in mouth, Swallow the pride, slapping, get 6"+ three cocks on their three holes at the same time you name it. Guess how much they get paid for a scene?
Many porn stars get paid less than EUR 800 (already in high bracket) for a scene (one full day work 5-6 hours). This is based what is reported what Woodman (High end porn production house in Europe). Will normally pay for a scene.
If you could get to know how find them directly where they work as a normal WGs without their pornstar celebrities you might het them for lower than $100 an hour.One of my favorite porn stars is the Brasiliera Elisa Sanches. She fucks her fans, and the last time I was in Rio, I had two sessions with her in the comfort of my beachfront hotel room that involved lots of anal sexual relations. Guess how much she told me she makes a scene? A mere $100 dollars! And she's one of the top porno starlets in all of Brazil, which is a very large and populous country. So female porn stars in the second tier and developing countries make far, far less than what can be earned in Europe and the United States, which isn't great if you ask me. And the men normally make less than the women (a part of their "compensation" is the opportunity to fuck the hot girls). For each of my two sessions with Elisa she stayed a long time, like well over 2 hours, and charged me only like $50 bucks each time! Now that's what you call getting value for your money! Cornholing one of your favorite porno starlets for $25 bucks an hour LOLOLOL! Yeah, she has a few more tattoos than I would ordinarily prefer (said she wasn't getting anymore), but she otherwise has a look I like (face, body, hair, butt), and "anus sex" is her specialty hahaha!
I'm different from you opticfuckers. When I go with a girl I want two things, I want my dick sucked and I want to fuck. Everything else such as DFK, DATY and anal would be much appreciated but not getting them would not be a deal killer. Also going with a 5 or 6 instead of a 8 or 9 is not a deal killer too. When I am lying on my back with my eyes closed and enjoying BBBJ it matters not whether she is a 5 or a 10, what matters is her proficiency at her job. Many times I enjoy FS with a 6 better than with a 9 for a few reasons some of which are the 6 has a tighter pussy, I have better chemistry with her and she is more into the session than the 9.
I'm different from you opticfuckers. When I go with a girl I want two things, I want my dick sucked and I want to fuck. Everything else such as DFK, DATY and anal would be much appreciated but not getting them would not be a deal killer. Also going with a 5 or 6 instead of a 8 or 9 is not a deal killer too. When I am lying on my back with my eyes closed and enjoying BBBJ it matters not whether she is a 5 or a 10, what matters is her proficiency at her job.Yes, I get it. It's just that I have an active imagination. I can still see that face with my eyes closed! And if I can't get past it, then I can forget about concentrating on them hind parts! Ahahaha! That said, I don’t consider myself to be an “opticfucker”. I don’t need a 9 or 10 to be perfectly satisfied with who I’m fucking. A 7 or 8 will also do!
ExpatLover
02-14-21, 17:39
I'm different from you opticfuckers. When I go with a girl I want two things, I want my dick sucked and I want to fuck. Everything else such as DFK, DATY and anal would be much appreciated but not getting them would not be a deal killer. Also going with a 5 or 6 instead of a 8 or 9 is not a deal killer too. When I am lying on my back with my eyes closed and enjoying BBBJ it matters not whether she is a 5 or a 10, what matters is her proficiency at her job. Many times I enjoy FS with a 6 better than with a 9 for a few reasons some of which are the 6 has a tighter pussy, I have better chemistry with her and she is more into the session than the 9.Sorry to repeat, fortunately for me I don't need to pay to fuck a 6, and the sex with a normal woman was always better for me than with a prostitute.
I think that my endless search of extremely beautiful girls in FKK is a kind of excuse to myself, ok you are paying for prostitutes but they are young, fresh, natural beauties and for you now in the 60 that is impossible to get them in real life. I am always feeling guilty to pay for sex and I feel frustrated by doing it. I am used to fight in my life to get the things and just putting money on the table and the prostitute open her legs or mouth was never consider for me has a success or a great achievement.You're still wrestling with the guilt society tries mightily to throw upon us. You have to find a way to discard that if you can. We all only live in the flesh once, and deserve to be happy. If you cannot, then it would be best for you to leave prostitution altogether. Including hanging out here ostensibly to practice your English. Ahem!
Sorry to repeat, fortunately for me I don't need to pay to fuck a 6....Don't be sorry, us mongers always appreciate the constant reminders.
One of my favorite porn stars is the Brasiliera Elisa Sanches. She fucks her fans, and the last time I was in Rio, I had two sessions with her in the comfort of my beachfront hotel room that involved lots of anal sexual relations. Guess how much she told me she makes a scene? A mere $100 dollars! And she's one of the top porno starlets in all of Brazil, which is a very large and populous country. So female porn stars in the second tier and developing countries make far, far less than what can be earned in Europe and the United States, which isn't great if you ask me. And the men normally make less than the women (a part of their "compensation" is the opportunity to fuck the hot girls). For each of my two sessions with Elisa she stayed a long time, like well over 2 hours, and charged me only like $50 bucks each time! Now that's what you call getting value for your money! Cornholing one of your favorite porno starlets for $25 bucks an hour LOLOLOL! Yeah, she has a few more tattoos than I would ordinarily prefer (said she wasn't getting anymore), but she otherwise has a look I like (face, body, hair, butt), and "anus sex" is her specialty hahaha!You paid and could be hard for the girl on photos? I like so much when I find a pretty face, full natural firm slim body with no silicon, nor tattoos, nor piercing, this excites me to pay.
I'm different from you opticfuckers. When I go with a girl I want two things, I want my dick sucked and I want to fuck. Everything else such as DFK, DATY and anal would be much appreciated but not getting them would not be a deal killer. Also going with a 5 or 6 instead of a 8 or 9 is not a deal killer too. When I am lying on my back with my eyes closed and enjoying BBBJ it matters not whether she is a 5 or a 10, what matters is her proficiency at her job. Many times I enjoy FS with a 6 better than with a 9 for a few reasons some of which are the 6 has a tighter pussy, I have better chemistry with her and she is more into the session than the 9.I share your views on this, although I'm probably more of a mixed bag. Sometimes I'm an opticfucker, in fact I used to enjoy to go with Tia. De (before the boob job! Tessa. De and Janine. De from Sharks, but other times I also enjoy my sessions with some 6's like Carolina. Ro from Sharks (then Palace). I remember I used to keep sessions with Carolina at the end of my FKK day, where I can bang her for long and she was always very kind, enthusiastic and accommodating. Ahhh memories!
The girls are not stupid they are perfectly aware about what they will have to do in a porn. Hungary has one of the lowest unemployment rate in europe, jobs are easy to find, now if the girls prefer to be a prostitute it is there own choice.Well, who said they are stupid? Before starting the scene, they will need to agree and thus sign the Term and Condition. Making porn movie is legal so there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
My point here is that when you see a porn star is charging you $150 plus all of the extra, make it like $500 for all anal, CIM, bareback, etc. You are paying well over the odd. As this is the money, they will normally make for 5-6 hours in porn scene. Let alone there are sometimes not only one guy but it might be three or more guys (In gang bang scene) 6"+ cocks are fucking them simultaneously and without condom.
ExpatLover
02-14-21, 20:00
You're still wrestling with the guilt society tries mightily to throw upon us. You have to find a way to discard that if you can. We all only live in the flesh once, and deserve to be happy. If you cannot, then it would be best for you to leave prostitution altogether. Including hanging out here ostensibly to practice your English. Ahem!I am not thinking about the society but just about my small ego centric feeling. When I am able to seduce a beautiful woman in a Starbuck. I am proud of myself, but when I am paying a prostitute in a FKK I am not proud at all and even I will never tell my best friends that I go with prostitutes.
ExpatLover
02-14-21, 20:05
Well, who said they are stupid? Before starting the scene, they will need to agree and thus sign the Term and Condition. Making porn movie is legal so there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
My point here is that when you see a porn star is charging you $150 plus all of the extra, make it like $500 for all anal, CIM, bareback, etc. You are paying well over the odd. As this is the money, they will normally make for 5-6 hours in porn scene. Let alone there are sometimes not only one guy but it might be three or more guys (In gang bang scene) 6"+ cocks are fucking them simultaneously and without condom.I don't know how the porn business is working, is there or not a contract. Nevertheless I will never go with a porn star, I am not attract at all by them but every one is different, it is like the guys paying to fuck the famous Silvana what will be impossible for me, even paying for a girl older than 25 is extremely rare for me.
You're still wrestling with the guilt society tries mightily to throw upon us. You have to find a way to discard that if you can. We all only live in the flesh once, and deserve to be happy. If you cannot, then it would be best for you to leave prostitution altogether. Including hanging out here ostensibly to practice your English. Ahem!Well said, as long as you respect the girl you are with, it is a normal business transaction.
I am not thinking about the society but just about my small ego centric feeling. When I am able to seduce a beautiful woman in a Starbuck. I am proud of myself, but when I am paying a prostitute in a FKK I am not proud at all and even I will never tell my best friends that I go with prostitutes.Where do you suppose those feelings come from? Do you think you were born like that?
One of my favorite porn stars is the Brasiliera Elisa Sanches. She fucks her fans, and the last time I was in Rio, I had two sessions with her in the comfort of my beachfront hotel room that involved lots of anal sexual relations. Guess how much she told me she makes a scene? A mere $100 dollars! And she's one of the top porno starlets in all of Brazil, which is a very large and populous country. So female porn stars in the second tier and developing countries make far, far less than what can be earned in Europe and the United States, which isn't great if you ask me. And the men normally make less than the women (a part of their "compensation" is the opportunity to fuck the hot girls). For each of my two sessions with Elisa she stayed a long time, like well over 2 hours, and charged me only like $50 bucks each time! Now that's what you call getting value for your money! Cornholing one of your favorite porno starlets for $25 bucks an hour LOLOLOL! Yeah, she has a few more tattoos than I would ordinarily prefer (said she wasn't getting anymore), but she otherwise has a look I like (face, body, hair, butt), and "anus sex" is her specialty hahaha!
Wow $50 for an hour with a famous pornstar ? That is value for money.
One of my Favourite "Shona River", a hungarian pornstar. I know a guy who booked her for an hour for $125 a few years ago including anal. I tried to book her when I was in Budapest, but no luck.
https://shonariver.net/
If you are williing to travel to CZ or HU you could get pornstar for that price. especially those who are MILF now. Keep in mind the older they are the less likely they will get contract for shooting.
Although not easy to locate them personally. If an agent get involved, you will lose almost half of your money to the agent.
In Germany some of spanish. hungarian, gemrna pornstar are organising a GB party. Imagine you screw 3 pornstars for 4-5 hours in a party for EUR150. Some of them are also in sperma game AO GB party, so people screw them bareback.
You paid and could be hard for the girl on photos? I like so much when I find a pretty face, full natural firm slim body with no silicon, nor tattoos, nor piercing, this excites me to pay.And yes. Mr. Lover Boy! And her body is quite firm thank you very much! But not skinny, which I do not like. Although I go with different body types, I prefer women with some curves and a plump bubble butt. Brazil has all types, but is famous for women with plump, round bundas. Even the white girls got booty!
I don't know how the porn business is working, is there or not a contract. Nevertheless I will never go with a porn star, I am not attract at all by them but every one is different, it is like the guys paying to fuck the famous Silvana what will be impossible for me, even paying for a girl older than 25 is extremely rare for me.
Porn movie is different with booking them for private. In Porn movie There is always a contract to protect the production house in the later state, especially the transfer of ownership, the right to publish the scene, etc. Some porn movies scene will show you that bit.
One of Favourite "Shona River", a hungarian pornstar. I know a guy who book her or an hour for $125 a few yera ago including anal.
https://shonariver.net/
If you are williing to travel to CZ or HU you could get pornstar for that price.I have been to both the Czech Republic and Hungary. Budapest was just a day trip from Vienna, so I had no time to monger. But, I did monger in Prague (nice city but mongering action not good enough for me to return). I have fucked a handful of Czech girls in Germany. There was the petite, blonde, and beautiful Marketa who used to work at Artemis (fucked her in the ass). Then there was beautiful, blonde Gina at Palace who was the first FKK girl I ever fucked. She didn't do anal in the beginning of her career, but then one day she surprised me by agreeing to let me penetrate her bright pink, Czech girl asshole. And a few others. Also fucked some Hungarians in Germany. Remember a little freckled pretty at Mainhattan who spoke no English. Don't know that I have ever had any Czech or Hungarian porn stars though. If they did porn, then I didn't know about it.
Wow $50 for an hour with a famous pornstar ? That is value for money.That was $50 for 2 plus hours. So I'm talking like $25 per hour for sex with a top Brazilian porno starlet! Value indeed. Especially when I throw in that she did what I wanted. Very down to earth and friendly. We spent some quality talk time too. I mean, I was interested in her life and the nature of the industry in Brazil (I know a lot about it in the States). She talked about how little money she made, and how she dreamed about breaking into the industry in the States. But without English skills, she was told and knew that was never going to happen. She had spent some time working in Mexico and spoke Spanish well, so that was the language we conversed in.
You're still wrestling with the guilt society tries mightily to throw upon us. You have to find a way to discard that if you can. We all only live in the flesh once, and deserve to be happy. If you cannot, then it would be best for you to leave prostitution altogether. Including hanging out here ostensibly to practice your English. Ahem!Well said. And do not forget we need them as much as they need us (our money). It is purely business transaction and no one has been forced to approve the transaction. Prostitution is one of th oldest profession in the world.
If we Are not there, none of us are booking them they will be out of business. Majority of them need money to feed their family at home.
ExpatLover
02-14-21, 22:45
Well said. And do not forget we need them as much as they need us (our money). It is purely business transaction and no one has been forced to approve the transaction. Prostitution is one of th oldest profession in the world.
If we Are not there, none of us are booking them they will be out of business. Majority of them need money to feed their family at home.We can discuss long time if being a prostitute is a profession, to believe that the girls prostitute to feed their family or pay their studies is from another time, today mostly they feed their so called boyfriend driving big German cars and the girls buy expensive clothes, bags. And also drugs.
One of my favorite porn stars is the Brasiliera Elisa Sanches. She fucks her fans, and the last time I was in Rio, I had two sessions with her in the comfort of my beachfront hotel room that involved lots of anal sexual relations. Guess how much she told me she makes a scene? A mere $100 dollars! And she's one of the top porno starlets in all of Brazil, which is a very large and populous country. So female porn stars in the second tier and developing countries make far, far less than what can be earned in Europe and the United States, which isn't great if you ask me. And the men normally make less than the women (a part of their "compensation" is the opportunity to fuck the hot girls). For each of my two sessions with Elisa she stayed a long time, like well over 2 hours, and charged me only like $50 bucks each time! Now that's what you call getting value for your money! Cornholing one of your favorite porno starlets for $25 bucks an hour LOLOLOL! Yeah, she has a few more tattoos than I would ordinarily prefer (said she wasn't getting anymore), but she otherwise has a look I like (face, body, hair, butt), and "anus sex" is her specialty hahaha!Hopefully, she will find herself in instagram using her fan base, she could generate more profit I presume, but posts will be restricted, though she can find a better income there! But yes, most porn stars are not paid as we imagine, even in US or JP where porn are big, it is like few thousands bucks to max 30000 bucks for famous ones. Once in awhile, famous tv normal star turn porn star after scandal, that is like few hundred thousands or one million, but only for first porn movie! I think like with prostitution so many supply of beauties who would be porn stars! Surprisingly! I do not get that mindset! Even for FKK,. It is 50 euro per 30 min! Yes it add up, but 50 euro!
Hopefully, she will find herself in instagram using her fan base, she could generate more profit I presume, but posts will be restricted, though she can find a better income there! But yes, most porn stars are not paid as we imagine, even in US or JP where porn are big, it is like few thousands bucks to max 30000 bucks for famous ones. Once in awhile, famous tv normal star turn porn star after scandal, that is like few hundred thousands or one million, but only for first porn movie! I think like with prostitution so many supply of beauties who would be porn stars! Surprisingly! I do not get that mindset! Even for FKK,. It is 50 euro per 30 min! Yes it add up, but 50 euro!Elisa is supplementing her income these days by traveling around Brazil doing strip shows and fucking for money (prostitution). At the start of the pandemic, she tried to kick off some virtual stuff with some other "actors", but I don't think that went too well. Her last trip was to perform at a club in Minas Gerais. She has been doing gigs at clubs around Brazil. When in Rio (home base) she can be found at Black & White.
We can discuss long time if being a prostitute is a profession, to believe that the girls prostitute to feed their family or pay their studies is from another time, today mostly they feed their so called boyfriend driving big German cars and the girls buy expensive clothes, bags. And also drugs.In a way, it is a profession while they are young because it is the job of high demand by people like us LOL! We are the demand and clients, and they supply to us demand LOL! Which we often fail to forget though we somehow realize!
However, there are some monger who are delusional and confuse Romanian prostitutes to Romanian princess often lives in illusion that these prostitute come back to the monger due to good behavior and manner and valuing prostitutes in brothel LOL but the reality is that these prostitute go back to their pimps not the monger, pimps are doing that and not the monger LOL! Let the delusional mongers live in illusion LOL!
And yes. Mr. Lover Boy! And her body is quite firm thank you very much! But not skinny, which I do not like. Although I go with different body types, I prefer women with some curves and a plump bubble butt. Brazil has all types, but is famous for women with plump, round bundas. Even the white girls got booty!I like fit supermodel body or fit sportive body that is lean, not too thick, I tend to go for more skinny girl, I do not mind the tits size, but best is big enough well shaped natural tits on skinny body! Rare to find!
Steve 9696
02-15-21, 04:13
Well I guess I can't be too off topic if it's a general chat room. LOL. I've been to most civilized destinations and sampled the girls. Locally Germany, Switzerland, and Austria. But if I want to try something new can any of you characterize the scene in:
Italy Czech Romania Poland Hungary?
I do luv the club format of an FKK or Boate or contakt club like in CH. And a lineup type approach is second best. A reputable agency with online pics and services like Diva in London is awesome too. Least a fan of sifting thru Indy classifieds. Around $200-300/ HR is fine.
I have browsed thr various forums but feel like the erudite group here in the FKK forum maybhave the most insight. Anyone have any advice?
Well I guess I can't be too off topic if it's a general chat room. LOL. I've been to most civilized destinations and sampled the girls. Locally Germany, Switzerland, and Austria. But if I want to try something new can any of you characterize the scene in:
Italy Czech Romania Poland Hungary?
I do luv the club format of an FKK or Boate or contakt club like in CH. And a lineup type approach is second best. A reputable agency with online pics and services like Diva in London is awesome too. Least a fan of sifting thru Indy classifieds. Around $200-300/ HR is fine.
I have browsed thr various forums but feel like the erudite group here in the FKK forum maybhave the most insight. Anyone have any advice?I have mongered in both the Czech Republic and Poland, but it's been so long since I have been to either that I don't have current information. I will say this much. Although I enjoyed the adventure involved with each destination, neither was good enough from a purely mongering perspective to make me want to go back for that purpose. I have been to Hungary on a short visit, but did not monger. I think Hungary has potential, but it's not an easy place for a foreigner to operate in. As for Romania, all my research reveals that it isn't a good mongering destination. The general advice is to see the Romanian girls outside of Romania. They're exporting top money-making talent.
ExpatLover
02-15-21, 07:53
Well I guess I can't be too off topic if it's a general chat room. LOL. I've been to most civilized destinations and sampled the girls. Locally Germany, Switzerland, and Austria. But if I want to try something new can any of you characterize the scene in:
Italy Czech Romania Poland Hungary?
I do luv the club format of an FKK or Boate or contakt club like in CH. And a lineup type approach is second best. A reputable agency with online pics and services like Diva in London is awesome too. Least a fan of sifting thru Indy classifieds. Around $200-300/ HR is fine.
I have browsed thr various forums but feel like the erudite group here in the FKK forum maybhave the most insight. Anyone have any advice?In all the 4 countries that I know very well prostitution is more or less illegal that means that you are taking more risks than in Germany, or Austria. The safest is escorting in Italy or Poland, in Hungary and Romania you will have a lot of gypsy girls around and you can t not speak the local language which will make the things complicated. Better you first stay in Budapest or Bucharest going to the pedestrians places by night to meet some girls in the bars, and bring them to your hotel.
Hopefully, she will find herself in instagram using her fan base, she could generate more profit I presume, but posts will be restricted, though she can find a better income there! But yes, most porn stars are not paid as we imagine, even in US or JP where porn are big, it is like few thousands bucks to max 30000 bucks for famous ones. Once in awhile, famous tv normal star turn porn star after scandal, that is like few hundred thousands or one million, but only for first porn movie! I think like with prostitution so many supply of beauties who would be porn stars! Surprisingly! I do not get that mindset! Even for FKK,. It is 50 euro per 30 min! Yes it add up, but 50 euro!Vast majority of porn stars get paid a few hundred Euros / S not a few thousands. Here is one example of one of the top EU porn movie producers.
https://www.woodmanforum.com/with-pierre/how-much-money-you-give-girl-for-casting-t3563.html
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=109937.0
There are a few porn stars who get paid a few thousands per scene but that is very rare. A handful might get paid $30,000 such as Jenna Jameson. But you learn it this category is just publication stunt. What is likely happen for those who get paid $30,000 or the like is that she gets paid by her own production house, the company she owns herself. Keep in mind majority of the porn who are the top 10 in the US own their own production houses. It is a smart legal way to pay less tax. Also certainly doing that is more to do with publication so anyone want to book her in private or in porn scene should expect to pay that range.
If porn movie producers try to pay a few thousand for one scene they will not be able to survive, considering nowadays, with current technology, literary everyone could produce a porn scene and not many will pay to watch a porn movie where they could get easily it for free. There are already a lot of discussion about this.
And yes. Mr. Lover Boy! And her body is quite firm thank you very much! But not skinny, which I do not like. Although I go with different body types, I prefer women with some curves and a plump bubble butt. Brazil has all types, but is famous for women with plump, round bundas. Even the white girls got booty!I like good ratio for tight waist and round ass, when many Germans have straight body with flat ass, but I hate cellulite. Romanians are more my type than Latinas or black even I remember real black model at Sharks and she was full smiling, a real beauty, with very short hair.
Vast majority of porn stars get paid a few hundred Euros / S not a few thousands. Here is one example of one of the top EU porn movie producers.
https://www.woodmanforum.com/with-pierre/how-much-money-you-give-girl-for-casting-t3563.html
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=109937.0
There are a few porn stars who get paid a few thousands per scene but that is very rare. A handful might get paid $30,000 such as Jenna Jameson. But you learn it this category is just publication stunt. What is likely happen for those who get paid $30,000 or the like is that she gets paid by her own production house, the company she owns herself. Keep in mind majority of the porn who are the top 10 in the US own their own production houses. It is a smart legal way to pay less tax. Also certainly doing that is more to do with publication so anyone want to book her in private or in porn scene should expect to pay that range.
If porn movie producers try to pay a few thousand for one scene they will not be able to survive, considering nowadays, with current technology, literary everyone could produce a porn scene and not many will pay to watch a porn movie where they could get easily it for free. There are already a lot of discussion about this.It is odd isn't it, they not only sacrifice their career, but their life as well as lives of their loved ones sometimes and their compensation is limited financially! Some of JAV actresses get paid more, but you can count the one who make few hundred thousands, but they make that amount outside porn with escort service, working in cabaret etc. I paid about 1500 USD to fuck Maria Ozawa for 70 min back in 2008, so you can imagine the prices for some of these top JAC actress when they escort!
Jenna Jameson was a beauty in her youth like 30 years ago, but now, age did catch up with her big time! But we mongers are lucky, we do not get to fuck aged women as we change women after we fuck them in their prime! Every year, there is new beautiful stunner for us monger to fuck and they never age because we can change LOL!
I would love to fuck European or US porn stars! I saw some on escort agencies in Prague site before, but never bother to go all the way!
HammerTime96
02-15-21, 22:30
I would love to fuck European or US porn stars! I saw some on escort agencies in Prague site before, but never bother to go all the way!You'll probably be disappointed (read: an expensive optic fuck) but if you have money to burn then maybe this site will work: https://pornstars4escort.com/category/pornstar-escorts/.
In all the 4 countries that I know very well prostitution is more or less illegal that means that you are taking more risks than in Germany, or Austria. The safest is escorting in Italy or Poland, in Hungary and Romania you will have a lot of gypsy girls around and you can t not speak the local language which will make the things complicated. Better you first stay in Budapest or Bucharest going to the pedestrians places by night to meet some girls in the bars, and bring them to your hotel.Escorting is now dead in Italy since about 5 years, most past Russian girls agencies closed. For escorts, I would go to Czech Republic and not only Praha. Never went but was told for Polish girls in towns close to German border. When borders will open.
You'll probably be disappointed (read: an expensive optic fuck) but if you have money to burn then maybe this site will work: https://pornstars4escort.com/category/pornstar-escorts/.Thank you, it is interesting one putting many porn stars escort info into one site, and I saw few names that I noticed as I flicked through the pages, even had American ones like Brooke Banner without which exact agency she worked for in Vegas though ; The down side is that, some were famous ones, but were, so now they are old and you are right, it maybe better off searching for stunner at FKK! How lucky we were and are to found FKK so long ago to enjoy to the fullest LOL!
Carpaccio18
02-16-21, 00:16
Every East Asian / SE Asian I have ever fucked who did not grow up in a western nation, whether pro or civilian, has always had the tendency to keep their eyes closed tightly during sex. Many would even make little squeaky noises. It was always a bit of a turn off, making me feel as if I was somehow hurting them.
Filipinos are a bit different though. They're islanders with a heavy Western influence due to imperial occupation since the 19th century. Their mannerisms during sex didn't make it seem like I was fucking an underage girl.Theres a point. With Thai girls I have much too often had the feeling I shouldn't be doing this, even though she was obvisouly a prostitute, looking for me. But had the reverse too.
In FKK, its usually not over the top moaning. Although I had that too. I think it was at Oceans, whee I remember this girl loadly fake moaning and a narrative telling me to fuck her, use her like a ***** and whatever, like some stupid low budget porn movie. Major turn off.
Carpaccio18
02-16-21, 00:36
I am with The Cane on this. I always have a discussion before I take a girl to the room. I learned this after several disappointments in the past where you get in the room, have started the session only to be told "I don't do x or why or z is extra". Better to get this all sorted out without a discussion in the room. And even that chat can then be a passion killer. If a girl doesn't want to invest 5 minutes or so with me to find out about likes / desires she isn't for me. But I normally don't take girls for short time other than "on trial" with a view to extending. So if I'm likely to be in the room 1-2 hours I want to know what is on the menu, and what's not.
I too have had girls tell me "you've been here an hour and not taken any girls to the room. Why not". I reply with "that's up to me, when I find one I like I'll go, but I noticed you've been here for that hour and you didn't go to any rooms either. Why not". Has the effect of ending their barbed criticism fairly quickly.I normally turn down every girl that start the conversation with "do you want to go to a room". The odd exception would be a real stunner, but ususally the result is the same: if aggressive approach, service is crap. Few exceptions to this rule.
And yeah, its rather annoying when you need to defend why you don't want to fuck her, or why you take too long to select.
Steve 9696
02-16-21, 00:42
Theres a point. With Thai girls I have much too often had the feeling I shouldn't be doing this, even though she was obvisouly a prostitute, looking for me. But had the reverse too.
In FKK, its usually not over the top moaning. Although I had that too. I think it was at Oceans, whee I remember this girl loadly fake moaning and a narrative telling me to fuck her, use her like a ***** and whatever, like some stupid low budget porn movie. Major turn off.I love when girls look me in the eye during mish. My current Sugar Baby (in USA) is a Cambodian Japanese mix and her face is to die for. She's pretty much a pro so she's very confident and I know she's not going to orgasm while I fuck her. But she will look me straight in the eyes with that dynamite smile, even while I shoot my load. It's sooooo satisfying somehow. Of course she grew up here so shes cultural different from the girls u are talking about.
Carpaccio18
02-16-21, 00:49
All one need is good manner and behavior, then in FKK Romanian prostitutes will turn into Romanian princesses and illusion bought with money turn into facts LOL! Believe that LOL!Don't know about the Romanian princess thing. Not that I don't like Romanians, but there are just too many of them in FKK. Would be better with some more diversity, like I've seen elsewhere eg in Barcelona. Lots of different girls, black stunners, Jamaicans, Latinos, Russian babes, the works.
Incidently, nearly all me best FKK sessions have been with Russian girls for some reason.
Thankfully Romanian girls are quite diverse. So most people find someone if the selection is large enough. Sure some Colombians for example might add to a lineup, but by the time most Colombians get to travel to Europe, they all seem to be 35+. One or two SE Asians might arrive when younger, but those are rare. The same can be said about Africans, but I do not recall a single African in a FKK I found to be hot. Neither in Barcelona or elsewhere in Spain. Have to travel to their home countries usually.
Carpaccio18
02-16-21, 01:05
I hate it for you! It's as if you need beauty in your life so badly that you're willing to pay for it even if you are left feeling unsatisfied sexually after the session. In my view, that's nothing that any man should aspire to. We got needs too! But you're right on 7 or 9 or 10 or whatever. That's very subjective. You may recall that somebody posted a picture of a girl the other day, and a couple of mongers opined that she was a 10. To me her face was ugly as hell, she looked anorexic, and I wouldn't pay her for either sex or beauty! But me personally, when I do pay, I'm paying for both actually. And don't get me wrong. The ultimate would be a 10 who gives me the sex how I want it. But, in order to get that sex how I want it, I'm perfectly willing to go down to a 7 (that's still a cutie in my system) in order to get the kind and quality of sexual service that I want and need in order to to be sexually fulfilled. If a 10 won't (or can't) do it, but a 7 can, then I'm going with the 7! But, I won't go lower than a 7 on my scale. I'd rather just not fuck LOL!LOL, I have spent half evenings looking for the 9 or 10, with the perfect body, tits and a great personality. Usually never find her, so I revised the system to a theme concept. I will certainly not go below a 7, but then I will decide if I either want the best ass, the best tits, if I felt like going black, or if I just go for fun attitude. Much better system, LOL. It can be iterated through the evening.
One time I went for the largest brazillian ass ever, just for the hell of it.
One time I went for the largest brazillian ass ever, just for the hell of it.That's too funny! You know what they say. Variety is the spice of life!
Don't know about the Romanian princess thing. Not that I don't like Romanians, but there are just too many of them in FKK. Would be better with some more diversity, like I've seen elsewhere eg in Barcelona. Lots of different girls, black stunners, Jamaicans, Latinos, Russian babes, the works.
Incidently, nearly all me best FKK sessions have been with Russian girls for some reason.My best experiences varies, I had dirtiest sessions with both German stunners and also Romanian stunners, some Hungarian stunners etc And as for Russian, I got many good friends in Russia and former soviet union nations that I met in boarding school, so I get arranged for that when I travel to those nations, but in FKK I rarely find Russian girls except Anja in Artemis was half German and half Russian allegedly!
I got to know FKK in 2009 and by then I never came across Russian in FKK, but I had pleasure to enjoy I would say the last batch of Czech, Austrian and polish girls who were still present in FKK line up back then, now those nationalities has been vanished almost as their nations economy improved?! Or whatever reasons I cannot fully figure out, but improved economy!
Aren't we lucky that we got to fuck all the stunners around world and to be continued LOL!
LOL, I have spent half evenings looking for the 9 or 10, with the perfect body, tits and a great personality. Usually never find her, so I revised the system to a theme concept. I will certainly not go below a 7, but then I will decide if I either want the best ass, the best tits, if I felt like going black, or if I just go for fun attitude. Much better system, LOL. It can be iterated through the evening.
One time I went for the largest brazillian ass ever, just for the hell of it.That's me in NRW FKK, begin in GT, nothing there, get discount ticket to LR, end up in LR by around 5 nothing there, go to Oceans to catch 8 pm fresh line up!
Somehow ripp off FKK always worked for me to find stunner, like Artemis and palace!
I love when girls look me in the eye during mish. My current Sugar Baby (in USA) is a Cambodian Japanese mix and her face is to die for. She's pretty much a pro so she's very confident and I know she's not going to orgasm while I fuck her. But she will look me straight in the eyes with that dynamite smile, even while I shoot my load. It's sooooo satisfying somehow. Of course she grew up here so shes cultural different from the girls u are talking about.Only during mish? My favorite is when they look back at me during doggie with the look of "wtf dude, do you think you own this pussy?" The answer is, "yes, yes I own this pussy. " At least for the next 30-60 min!
ExpatLover
02-16-21, 09:48
I love when girls look me in the eye during mish. My current Sugar Baby (in USA) is a Cambodian Japanese mix and her face is to die for. She's pretty much a pro so she's very confident and I know she's not going to orgasm while I fuck her. But she will look me straight in the eyes with that dynamite smile, even while I shoot my load. It's sooooo satisfying somehow. Of course she grew up here so shes cultural different from the girls u are talking about.Why is she not going to orgasm, this always also happen to me but on this forum you have a lot of mongers able to make come the FKK girls even several times.
Only during mish? My favorite is when they look back at me during doggie with the look of "wtf dude, do you think you own this pussy?" The answer is, "yes, yes I own this pussy. " At least for the next 30-60 min!Oh yeah, that eye from side view LOL! I also love good long BBBJ with fixed eye contact LOL!
That's too funny! You know what they say. Variety is the spice of life!I agree with you, so as many mongers, but many so called normal men by society and society norm disagree LOL! That's the problem, but they never tasted the forbidden apples LOL!
PaulInZurich
02-16-21, 11:02
Only during mish? My favorite is when they look back at me during doggie with the look of "wtf dude, do you think you own this pussy?"Eye contact from the girls is always good. For me it's the best during CIM.
It is odd isn't it, they not only sacrifice their career, but their life as well as lives of their loved ones sometimes and their compensation is limited financially! Some of JAV actresses get paid more, but you can count the one who make few hundred thousands, but they make that amount outside porn with escort service, working in cabaret etc. I paid about 1500 USD to fuck Maria Ozawa for 70 min back in 2008, so you can imagine the prices for some of these top JAC actress when they escort!
Jenna Jameson was a beauty in her youth like 30 years ago, but now, age did catch up with her big time! But we mongers are lucky, we do not get to fuck aged women as we change women after we fuck them in their prime! Every year, there is new beautiful stunner for us monger to fuck and they never age because we can change LOL!
I would love to fuck European or US porn stars! I saw some on escort agencies in Prague site before, but never bother to go all the way!
This is the UK porn stars escort and some of other European such as Hungarian or Czech pornstars. You could even find Tommie Jo one most wanted Escort UK pornstars in her heyday a few years ago. This girl is really a stunner and has appeared in Playboy. She only did two BG scenes as far as I am aware of. You could easily find her videos in porn sites, most likely erotic videos rather than porn movies. This was how she looks like in her heyday
http://wallpapers.fansshare.com/gallery/photos/15732453/luxfoncom/
Just be aware of, the site is managed by the agent, so it is likely the agent will take half of your money so you could get it cheaper if you could book them directly wothout agent getting involved.
https://photogirls.net/london-escorts
But if you are willing to do the deskwork, it is quite often you could get them directly by searching into their social networking sites. Also, if they are in the UK some of them are advertising it on https://adultwork.com/ website.
ExpatLover
02-16-21, 12:46
This is the UK porn stars escort and some of other European such as Hungarian or Czech pornstars.
Just be aware of, the site is managed by the agent, so it is likely the agent will take half of your money so you could get it cheaper if you could book them directly wothout agent getting involved.
https://photogirls.net/london-escorts
But if you are willing to do the deskwork, it is quite often you could get them directly by searching into their social networking sites. Also, if they are in the UK some of them are advertising it on https://adultwork.com/ website.Opened the link to London-escorts, sorry but there is not 1 girl I would contact who spend 1 euro for. All pictures are photoshopped a no go for me, with my long escort experiences I learned to never meet a girl with this kind of picture, smells the cheating, after that only MILF, sili. Women I don't spend my time, money and energy on those kind of woman.
We can discuss long time if being a prostitute is a profession, to believe that the girls prostitute to feed their family or pay their studies is from another time, today mostly they feed their so called boyfriend driving big German cars and the girls buy expensive clothes, bags. And also drugs.
Yes, it discussed before like other people have said, the amount of the Romanian girls working in FKK because of their lover boys just count a small percentage. Majoriy if them are working to earn money for famiy at home, you coudl easily know if you chat with the girls quote often. That is the reason why you see they come and go; They return home and come back again when they need money. Also you often see they are moving from one FKKs, one country to another country are their lover boys keep following them ? If so then their lover boys must be their husbands and/or partners. Lover boy phenomenon happens in any country even a few German girls fall into these categories. Differentiate lover boy with agent.
"pay their studies" "boyfriend driving big German cars "is these a joke? How many FKKs girl get picked up by their boyfriends after the closing hour. How many girls are studying and working at FKKs at the same time? As other people have also confirmed majority of them are taking taxis or taking transport provided by the FKKs to go home
Mind you there are a lot of BSs are fed here.
ExpatLover
02-16-21, 16:18
Yes, it discussed before like other people have said, the amount of the Romanian girls working in FKK because of their lover boys just count a small percentage. Majoriy if them are working to earn money for famiy at home, you coudl easily know if you chat with the girls quote often. That is the reason why you see they come and go; They return home and come back again when they need money. Also you often see they are moving from one FKKs, one country to another country are their lover boys keep following them ? If so then their lover boys must be their husbands and/or partners. Lover boy phenomenon happens in any country even a few German girls fall into these categories. Differentiate lover boy with agent.
"pay their studies" "boyfriend driving big German cars "is these a joke? How many FKKs girl get picked up by their boyfriends after the closing hour. How many girls are studying and working at FKKs at the same time? As other people have also confirmed majority of them are taking taxis or taking transport provided by the FKKs to go home
Mind you there are a lot of BSs are fed here.How many weeks have you spend in Romania with FKK girls, even visiting their family? Advice you to do it like me for several years and may be you will change your mind. Always the same story when the reality doesn't match what the people are willing to think, the reality doesn't exist. So much more comfortable for the mongers to believe that their money helps poor family in Romania. Than to purchase big cars, hand bags and to support lazy BF.
"pay their studies" "boyfriend driving big German cars "is these a joke? How many FKKs girl get picked up by their boyfriends after the closing hour. How many girls are studying and working at FKKs at the same time? As other people have also confirmed majority of them are taking taxis or taking transport provided by the FKKs to go home
Mind you there are a lot of BSs are fed here.You must be blind and not see all of the german cars w german 4 emission stickers and Ro plates on them. You think they got those cars working at the supermarket? The reason you don't see them picked up is either their loverboys are back in romania or they're staying at the club or nearby hotel no rooms for their cars and the cost of parking would add up. I don't disagree they are earning money for their family but its a small fraction of what they make. You're delusional if you think they're just earning money for their family if that was true you wouldn't see them with the flashy cars or fake designer clothes. Fake it till you make it. Idk why you're hung up with "Differentiate lover boy with agent". You can call it whatever you want he's still a pimp.
My best experiences varies, I had dirtiest sessions with both German stunners and also Romanian stunners, some Hungarian stunners etc And as for Russian, I got many good friends in Russia and former soviet union nations that I met in boarding school, so I get arranged for that when I travel to those nations, but in FKK I rarely find Russian girls except Anja in Artemis was half German and half Russian allegedly!
I got to know FKK in 2009 and by then I never came across Russian in FKK, but I had pleasure to enjoy I would say the last batch of Czech, Austrian and polish girls who were still present in FKK line up back then, now those nationalities has been vanished almost as their nations economy improved?! Or whatever reasons I cannot fully figure out, but improved economy!
Aren't we lucky that we got to fuck all the stunners around world and to be continued LOL!In 2009 there were many Russians in Oase. I know because I banged them. I also banged Ukrainian, Chinese, UK and Korean girls in Oase back then.
My raunchiest experience in an FKK and possibly in p4p was with Swiss Michelle in Oase back then. Anyone remembers her?
ExpatLover
02-16-21, 16:24
Yes, it discussed before like other people have said, the amount of the Romanian girls working in FKK because of their lover boys just count a small percentage. Majoriy if them are working to earn money for famiy at home, you coudl easily know if you chat with the girls quote often. That is the reason why you see they come and go; They return home and come back again when they need money. Also you often see they are moving from one FKKs, one country to another country are their lover boys keep following them ? If so then their lover boys must be their husbands and/or partners. Lover boy phenomenon happens in any country even a few German girls fall into these categories. Differentiate lover boy with agent.
"pay their studies" "boyfriend driving big German cars "is these a joke? How many FKKs girl get picked up by their boyfriends after the closing hour. How many girls are studying and working at FKKs at the same time? As other people have also confirmed majority of them are taking taxis or taking transport provided by the FKKs to go home
Mind you there are a lot of BSs are fed here.If you want I can also explain to you why the girls return to Romania and are coming back, but this is another story.
ExpatLover
02-16-21, 16:30
You must be blind and not see all of the german cars w german 4 emission stickers and Ro plates on them. You think they got those cars working at the supermarket? The reason you don't see them picked up is either their loverboys are back in romania or they're staying at the club or nearby hotel no rooms for their cars and the cost of parking would add up. I don't disagree they are earning money for their family but its a small fraction of what they make. You're delusional if you think they're just earning money for their family if that was true you wouldn't see them with the flashy cars or fake designer clothes. Fake it till you make it. Idk why you're hung up with "Differentiate lover boy with agent". You can call it whatever you want he's still a pimp.Fully agree with you, but it is always the same story so much more comfortable for a lot of mongers to believe that their money will help poor families rather than to purchase German cars.
You must be blind and not see all of the german cars w german 4 emission stickers and Ro plates on them. You think they got those cars working at the supermarket? The reason you don't see them picked up is either their loverboys are back in romania or they're staying at the club or nearby hotel no rooms for their cars and the cost of parking would add up. I don't disagree they are earning money for their family but its a small fraction of what they make. You're delusional if you think they're just earning money for their family if that was true you wouldn't see them with the flashy cars or fake designer clothes. Fake it till you make it. Idk why you're hung up with "Differentiate lover boy with agent". You can call it whatever you want he's still a pimp.
Keep in mind I am not saying the lover boys are not there. But is it really a big representatives of the gilrs working in FKKs. Did you really watch it when they are about to go home? How many FKKs girl get picked up by their boyfriends after the closing hour. How many girls are studying and working at FKKs at the same time? . Also I am not saying they just earn for their family at home in Romania. While in Germnay, They will need to pay rent, foods (to some extends), The agent who mobilise them, FKKs where they are working, etc.
How many of them going home at after working hours with big Mercedes. Is either me or you blind. But certainly I am pretty sure I am not blind. As other people have said previously also confirmed majority of them are taking taxis or taking transport provided by the FKKs to go home. T If you do not notice that the maojority of the car in the car park outside FKKs belongs to visitors then I do not know whether you stay until the closing hours of the FKK?
Some people are just exagerating things. Keep in mind many of them are in their mid 20s, 30s somethng Lover boy for MILFs ??
Also They keep changing from one FKKS other countries, going home and come back. Are they liver boys keep following them ??
ExpatLover
02-16-21, 16:57
Keep in mind I am not saying the lover boys are not there. But is it really a big representatives of the gilrs working in FKKs. Did you really watch it when they are about to go home? How many FKKs girl get picked up by their boyfriends after the closing hour. How many girls are studying and working at FKKs at the same time? . Also I am not saying they just earn for their family at home in Romania. While in Germnay, They will need to pay rent, foods (to some extends), The agent who mobilise them, FKKs where they are working, etc.
How many of them going home at after working hours with big Mercedes. Is either me or you blind. But certainly I am pretty sure I am not blind. As other people have said previously also confirmed majority of them are taking taxis or taking transport provided by the FKKs to go home. T If you do not notice that the maojority of the car in the car park outside FKKs belongs to visitors then I do not know whther you stay until the clsing hours of the FKK?
Some people are just exagerating things. Keep in mind many of them are in their mid 20s, 30s somethng Lover boy for MILFs ??
Also They keep changing from one FKKS other countries, going home and come back. Are they liver boys keep following them.No they are not following them they are guiding them, most of the girls have no driving license how to you think they go back to Romania?
Keep in mind I am not saying the lover boys are not there. But is it really a big representatives of the gilrs working in FKKs. Did you really watch it when they are about to go home? How many FKKs girl get picked up by their boyfriends after the closing hour. How many girls are studying and working at FKKs at the same time? Also I am not saying for their family. They will need to pay rent, foods, FKKs, The agent who mobilise them, FKKs where they are working, etc.
How many of them going home at the end of the party with big Mercedes. Is either me or you blind. But certainly I am pretty sure I am not blind. As other people have said previously also confirmed majority of them are taking taxis or taking transport provided by the FKKs to go home
Some people are just exagerating things. Keep in mind many of them are in their mid 20s, 30s somethng Lover boy for MILFs ??
Also They keep changing from one FKKS other countries, going home and come back. Are they liver boys keep following them ??Like I said a lot of them are staying at the club or a hotel nearby it's why you don't see their cars or loverboys. Many of them have to work several days or weeks before they can take an off day parking their car nearby would be expensive. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a loverboy since the girls read this forum and you're trying to defend yourself. I'm not sure why you're so hung up about the word "agent". Just because you dress it up using the word agent doesn't change what it is a pimp. If you want to see the big mercedes take a trip to romania you'll find plenty of german cars w / german emission stickers driven by 20/30 year old girls or their pimps.
ExpatLover
02-16-21, 17:13
Like I said a lot of them are staying at the club or a hotel nearby it's why you don't see their cars or loverboys. Many of them have to work several days or weeks before they can take an off day parking their car nearby would be expensive. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a loverboy since the girls read this forum and you're trying to defend yourself. I'm not sure why you're so hung up about the word "agent". Just because you dress it up using the word agent doesn't change what it is a pimp. If you want to see the big mercedes take a trip to romania you'll find plenty of german cars w / german emission stickers driven by 20/30 year old girls or their pimps.Most of the girls have no driving license.
I wouldn't be surprised if you were a loverboy since the girls read this forum and you're trying to defend yourself.
Am I a lover boy of one of this Romanian working in FKK? I am not even living in Romania or Germany you dummie. And it seems you are lacking of emotional intelligence.
If you just have half your brain is functioning you would scrutinise my posting before casting your nonsense allegation. Why do I need to become her lover boy if I am the one who pays her service? I might even earn more than her lover boy is earning.
I repeat again what I said "I am not saying the lover boys are not there". But is it really a good representation of the girls working in FKKs.
ExpatLover
02-16-21, 18:17
Am I a lover boy of one of this Romanian working in FKK? I am not even living in Romania or Germany you dummie.
If you just have half your brain is functioning you will scrutinise my posting before posting your nonsense allegation. Why do I need to become her lover boy if I am one of the one who pay their service?Even more surprising that you react like that if you are not a BF, sorry but your reality is not the real one, is the one from a married guy or in fix relation trying to justify why he is going to prostitute.
Even more surprising that you react like that if you are not a BF, sorry but your reality is not the real one, is the one from a married guy or in fix relation trying to justify why he is going to prostitute.
Your series of postings are trying to demonise the people visiting prostitutes. But are you aware that this is an ISG (International sex guide forum)?
Do you know what is the spirit of this forum?
You pretend like a pickup artist where in fact you behave like a cuckold who like to see a girl pissing on his head and say, hey see it is raining.
No they are not following them they are guiding them, most of the girls "have no driving license" how to you think they go back to Romania?
Again another nonsense. Do they need a driving licence to go back to Romania visiting their family ??? Do they need a driving licence to go to another german city or another country ??
Your series of postings are trying to demonise the people visiting prostitutes. But are you aware that this is an ISG (International sex guide forum)? Do you know what is the spirit of this forum?Don't you understand that his principal purpose for being here is to practice and improve upon his English? Hahaha! How utterly ridiculous and disingenuous!
ExpatLover
02-16-21, 20:28
Your series of postings are trying to demonise the people visiting prostitutes. But are you aware that this is an ISG (International sex guide forum)?
Do you know what is the spirit of this forum?
You pretend like a pickup artist where in fact you behave like a cuckold who like to see a girl pissing on his head and say, hey see it is raining.Do you know how much a girl in earning per day in a FKK, how much cash you can take with you intra European flights, maybe you don't know that there are many controls in the airports, may be also you don t know that most of the girls don t have the possibility to open a bank account in Germany and so on. Now please don t replay anymore to my stupid comments and live your extremely interesting life.
ExpatLover
02-16-21, 20:30
Don't you understand that his principal purpose for being here is to practice and improve upon his English? Hahaha! How utterly ridiculous and disingenuous!Thank you at least one guy remember something, all my spent energy was not useless).
Don't you understand that his principal purpose for being here is to practice and improve upon his English? Hahaha! How utterly ridiculous and disingenuous!
I know. But this guy is also trying demonise people, teaching a moral lesson for people who are paying for a prostitute. Let alone this is an International Sex Guide (ISG), a forum for sharing info about prostitution around the world.
ExpatLover
02-16-21, 20:53
I know. But this guy is also trying demonise people, teaching a moral lesson for people who are paying for a prostitute. Let alone this is an International Sex Guide (ISG), a forum for sharing info about prostitution around the world.Sorry you don't need to reply to my comments, just ignore me like I will ignore you from now on.
I know. But this guy is also trying demonise people, teaching a moral lesson for people who are paying for a prostitute. Let alone this is an International Sex Guide (ISG), a forum for sharing info about prostitution around the world.Common poster themes:
2 French senior citizens speaking arrogantly about everyone else but themselves. Apparently they have no flaws of their own.
2-3 somewhat younger Swedish / Nordic guys posting super right wing fringe "news", selectively choosing "facts", and conspiracy theories.
Americans: all over the place with a wide range personalities.
East Asians: more or less often not heard, lots of lurkers with the occasional, "are clubs open yet questions."
BigBuddy69
02-16-21, 22:18
I know. But this guy is also trying demonise people, teaching a moral lesson for people who are paying for a prostitute. Let alone this is an International Sex Guide (ISG), a forum for sharing info about prostitution around the world.Yes but you know, on the same forum there is another guy constantly talking shit about the evil prostitutes who are so inferior to normal women and accidentally, happens to spend one third of the year in sauna clubs. Strange logic at work.
In 2009 there were many Russians in Oase. I know because I banged them. I also banged Ukrainian, Chinese, UK and Korean girls in Oase back then.
My raunchiest experience in an FKK and possibly in p4p was with Swiss Michelle in Oase back then. Anyone remembers her?You can go for Japanese Coco at Amesia ex Bumsalp.
In 2009 there were many Russians in Oase. I know because I banged them. I also banged Ukrainian, Chinese, UK and Korean girls in Oase back then.
My raunchiest experience in an FKK and possibly in p4p was with Swiss Michelle in Oase back then. Anyone remembers her?Yes, and in 2020, there are only Romanians in FKK LOL! Ok, just kidding, but it is pretty much Romanian dominated line up everywhere, and bit of Bulgarians, then very few Hungarians, fewer Germans and even more fewer other ethnicity! But Mr Cane said, varieties are the spices of life LOL! But I only stick to stunners no matter the race!
Most of the girls have no driving license.Maybe, but they surely got driving license to drive my penis and anal LOL!
This is the UK porn stars escort and some of other European such as Hungarian or Czech pornstars. You could even find Tommie Jo one most wanted Escort UK pornstars in her heyday a few years ago. This girl is really a stunner and has appeared in Playboy. She only did two BG scenes as far as I am aware of. You could easily find her videos in porn sites, most likely erotic videos rather than porn movies. This was how she looks like in her heyday
http://wallpapers.fansshare.com/gallery/photos/15732453/luxfoncom/
Just be aware of, the site is managed by the agent, so it is likely the agent will take half of your money so you could get it cheaper if you could book them directly wothout agent getting involved.
https://photogirls.net/london-escorts
But if you are willing to do the deskwork, it is quite often you could get them directly by searching into their social networking sites. Also, if they are in the UK some of them are advertising it on https://adultwork.com/ website.Tommie sound like a guy's name; She is bit too thick body for my taste, but I do like her eyes and hair, kinda remind me of more uglier version of Stella at Palace, Stella became thicker after few years in FKK, but when she began, wow she was stunner! However, at least she remained all natural till her retiring day, it is too bad she became thicker body a bit for my taste and also put one, but big tattoo on her forearm, FKK effect on girls are never good!
Thank you, yeah agents are annoying, but someone has to bring the girls to us like in FKK, many girls do go through some kind of system whether it is pimp, lover boy or some kind of agency, I do not think they somehow find FKK and just travel and do all the paper work etc I think in most cases, it is not as dodgy as we may think, but rather decent agency to bring girls to FKK or escort, my opinion!
Once in Artemis, I fucked Ivana sugar lookalike stunner, but identical level that I even believed that she was Ivana sugar!
Like I said a lot of them are staying at the club or a hotel nearby it's why you don't see their cars or loverboys. Many of them have to work several days or weeks before they can take an off day parking their car nearby would be expensive. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a loverboy since the girls read this forum and you're trying to defend yourself. I'm not sure why you're so hung up about the word "agent". Just because you dress it up using the word agent doesn't change what it is a pimp. If you want to see the big mercedes take a trip to romania you'll find plenty of german cars w / german emission stickers driven by 20/30 year old girls or their pimps.I have seen in Artemis some guy driving girls to work, whether it is lover boy, brother or friend, I do no know, but either way, I am for PIMPs lover boys because look, they are the important supply side for us monger demand side, so for me they are very important part of life cycle of FKK industry and my life, they contributed greatly to my sex life, thus my life, so I appreciate their service and hey their pricing strategies are fair enough to me, man 50 euro per 30 min and 150 euro for upsell price of amazing service for one hour! She even clean my ass with tongue LOL! What's not to appreciate LOL!
Fully agree with you, but it is always the same story so much more comfortable for a lot of mongers to believe that their money will help poor families rather than to purchase German cars.My money help me to keep my penis and anal clean with young beautiful girls tongue LOL! And pimps are essential very important vital part of this cleaning service and my demand to get my dick and anal sucked, licked and clean, it somehow get me higher and make my life a lot better LOL!
Without pimps, my hentai demand by normal society, and normal demand by me won't be satisfied as much as I had by over hundred of young beautiful stunners cleaning my anal with their tongue LOL! It is I help them whether family or pimp or her or loverboys, they help me situation for me LOL! It is win win relationship for hentai like me LOL!
Why is she not going to orgasm, this always also happen to me but on this forum you have a lot of mongers able to make come the FKK girls even several times.Well there is a monger in this forum who claim to ride bicycle to fix all problem in life and claim not to sleep during FKK trip driving few thousands km every week working at the same time somehow and also good manner and behavior is the price he pay in FKK to fuck among a lot of childish lies LOL! Confusing Romanian prostitutes as Romanian princesses and woman type taste LOL!
Yes, it discussed before like other people have said, the amount of the Romanian girls working in FKK because of their lover boys just count a small percentage. Majoriy if them are working to earn money for famiy at home, you coudl easily know if you chat with the girls quote often. That is the reason why you see they come and go; They return home and come back again when they need money. Also you often see they are moving from one FKKs, one country to another country are their lover boys keep following them ? If so then their lover boys must be their husbands and/or partners. Lover boy phenomenon happens in any country even a few German girls fall into these categories. Differentiate lover boy with agent.
"pay their studies" "boyfriend driving big German cars "is these a joke? How many FKKs girl get picked up by their boyfriends after the closing hour. How many girls are studying and working at FKKs at the same time? As other people have also confirmed majority of them are taking taxis or taking transport provided by the FKKs to go home
Mind you there are a lot of BSs are fed here.Unfortunately, not only a few Romanians and also many German WGs are what I call pimped, meaning giving money to a guy. I never asked money to any woman, except my mother or grandmothers when I was a child. Sometimes, I ask girls if they have a BF, some answering: I don't need, he would take my money. Of course, most of girls will not tell there is a guy behind, he can be staying in Romania, because not so sexy to be pimped, more desirable to look single. But when some girls have BF or are divorced or little mum, can be exciting for me to make them cum, reminding my past life.
Like I said a lot of them are staying at the club or a hotel nearby it's why you don't see their cars or loverboys. Many of them have to work several days or weeks before they can take an off day parking their car nearby would be expensive. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a loverboy since the girls read this forum and you're trying to defend yourself. I'm not sure why you're so hung up about the word "agent". Just because you dress it up using the word agent doesn't change what it is a pimp. If you want to see the big mercedes take a trip to romania you'll find plenty of german cars w / german emission stickers driven by 20/30 year old girls or their pimps.In Artemis, if the girls take two days off no matter what even she is sick, she has to leave the club on third day, for other clubs I do not know, but it must be similar!
Let them drive German cars, I drove many nice cars including German cars as you put it, but I much prefer driving young beautiful girls ass for 50 euro per 30 min or 150 euro for one hour for ultimate driving experience, whatta great rental services these pimps provide LOL real money for value rental that is far better than Hertz car rental LOL!
Yes but you know, on the same forum there is another guy constantly talking shit about the evil prostitutes who are so inferior to normal women and accidentally, happens to spend one third of the year in sauna clubs. Strange logic at work.We are all in the same cave called FKK food chain or in bigger picture prostitution ring or related life cycle, and we are one of the most important side of it called demand, and other sides are the supply and I must say supply side is doing good jobs whether we are talking prostitutes, agency, lover boys or pimps or whatever! But food in FKK can be improved a bit! Just serve salad and kebab for Turkish owned clubs, it cannot go that wrong if they outsource! And for Italian owned joint like Oase, provide better pizza for free and pasta for free, though it was not that bad, I am there to fuck, not to eat, but I stay long time in FKK, so food break can be big plus! Other than food, I got no complaint about FKK life cycle and yeah get more younger stunners like there used to be more in early 2010's! I still manage to find, but far more difficult than before to the extent I now feel like a prostitute hunter LOL! Like Mike Tyson put it LOL!
Common poster themes:
2 French senior citizens speaking arrogantly about everyone else but themselves. Apparently they have no flaws of their own.
2-3 somewhat younger Swedish / Nordic guys posting super right wing fringe "news", selectively choosing "facts", and conspiracy theories.
Americans: all over the place with a wide range personalities.
East Asians: more or less often not heard, lots of lurkers with the occasional, "are clubs open yet questions."French are the delusional ones LOL!
ExpatLover
02-17-21, 02:49
My money help me to keep my penis and anal clean with young beautiful girls tongue LOL! And pimps are essential very important vital part of this cleaning service and my demand to get my dick and anal sucked, licked and clean, it somehow get me higher and make my life a lot better LOL!
Without pimps, my hentai demand by normal society, and normal demand by me won't be satisfied as much as I had by over hundred of young beautiful stunners cleaning my anal with their tongue LOL! It is I help them whether family or pimp or her or loverboys, they help me situation for me LOL! It is win win relationship for hentai like me LOL!I think you have the good approach, no need to know what is behind the scene, just concentrate on your own pleasure and for sure the ratio price vs quality in the FKK is very good specially for a demanding (lost of fantasies) like you. Also very safe with 0 risk to get robbed. Very difficult to find better places than Germany.
Yes but you know, on the same forum there is another guy constantly talking shit about the evil prostitutes who are so inferior to normal women and accidentally, happens to spend one third of the year in sauna clubs. Strange logic at work.
I wonder who is that guy you are referring to:
Who is talking shit, thinking that a prostitute is evil?
Who does think that the women prostitutes are so inferior to ordinary women?
Who said that he did spend one third of the year in sauna clubs?
Which part do you think is utter strange he has claimed based on your logic?
Please do "provide quotations" from his previous postings referfing to how you infer your logic?
If you can not come up with quotations from his previus postings, then you are just making a baseless accusation.
Tommie sound like a guy's name;
Once in Artemis, I fucked Ivana sugar lookalike stunner, but identical level that I even believed that she was Ivana sugar!Although not often but Tommie is also used for a girl. It is diminutive form of Thomasina. A good Examples are Thomasina Lawson, Thomasina Miers. Keep in mind Tommie Jo is not her real name, it is just a screen name.
You are very lucky if you could get Ivana Sugar, but to me she is quite short 5 feet, 2 inches (157 cm). Now she should be around 28yo. You will need to travel to Ukraine to meet her.
Although not often but Tommie is also used for a girl. It is diminutive form of Thomasina. A good Examples are Thomasina Lawson, Thomasina Miers. Keep in mind Tommie Jo is not her real name, it is just a screen name.
You are very lucky if you could get Ivana Sugar, but to me she is quite short 5 feet, 2 inches (157 cm). Now she should be around 28yo. You will need to travel to Ukraine to meet her.Thank you, it is nice that the forum actually teaches me things and I learnt some great deal not just about mongering, but about other things about life on this forum! As for screen name, this I know.
Ivana sugar, yes it was identical! Even better! But back home here, I fucked Maria Ozawa as I mentioned and also Rola Takizawa, with rola I went bareback! I am not into Asian girls, but I do love Eurasian beauties!
I would love to fuck some western porn stars, one day, but not the sell out ones, I will see if I get the opportunity! If I am ever stuck in Prague alone, or Vienna seems to be other good spot for porn star, then I may take a chance for one of those escort site for porn stars, but till then FKK do provide some stunners still, we just have to look for them harder nowadays!
I wonder who is that guy you are referring to:
Who is talking shit, thinking that a prostitute is evil?
Who does think that the women prostitutes are so inferior to ordinary women?
Who said that he did spend one third of the year in sauna clubs?
Which part do you think is utter strange he has claimed based on your logic?
Please do "provide quotations" from his previous postings referfing to how you infer your logic?
If you can not come up with quotations from his previus postings, then you are just making a baseless accusation.Please forgive him as he is French LOL!
I wonder who is that guy you are referring to:
Who is talking shit, thinking that a prostitute is evil?
Who does think that the women prostitutes are so inferior to ordinary women?
Who said that he did spend one third of the year in sauna clubs?
Which part do you think is utter strange he has claimed based on your logic?
Please do "provide quotations" from his previous postings referfing to how you infer your logic?
If you can not come up with quotations from his previus postings, then you are just making a baseless accusation.There's 7 years of history here. RTFF is the short response to this request.
BigBuddy69
02-17-21, 11:20
Please do "provide quotations" from his previous postings referfing to how you infer your logic?
If you can not come up with quotations from his previus postings, then you are just making a baseless accusation.Do you really want me to quote something like 15.000 posts of gibberish?
Do you really want me to quote something like 15.000 posts of gibberish?
Apology, I thought you were referring to me. I am pretty sure I never consider a prostitute is an evil and / or a sub-human. Like all of you, I do have a full respect to the prostitutes (WGs). We are all humans.
To me dealing with a WGs is just the same with dealing with any other services. They sell the service, we buy. We need them as much as they need us (our money). Like in any other business, in transaction with a WG, noone has been forced. They are free and in full control to accept or to reject it. By the end of the day everyone is happy to get what they want.
In my more than a decade dealing with prossies I hardly ever rude to prostitutes, unless I do not have any other alternatives. Life for them is already very hard and it should not be added with more burden unnecessary.
Thank you, it is nice that the forum actually teaches me things and I learnt some great deal not just about mongering, but about other things about life on this forum! As for screen name, this I know.
Ivana sugar, yes it was identical! Even better! But back home here, I fucked Maria Ozawa as I mentioned and also Rola Takizawa, with rola I went bareback! I am not into Asian girls, but I do love Eurasian beauties!
I would love to fuck some western porn stars, one day, but not the sell out ones, I will see if I get the opportunity! If I am ever stuck in Prague alone, or Vienna seems to be other good spot for porn star, then I may take a chance for one of those escort site for porn stars, but till then FKK do provide some stunners still, we just have to look for them harder nowadays!I have watched Maria Ozawa, Rola Misaki (Lola Takizawa- JP RU), Monika Hasegawa (JP BR) all of these mix race JAV pornstars.
I would like to go with all these JAV porn stars. I could effort to pay $1500 per hour. But I do not want to pay that rate if I could easily get quite similar girls for much less. But of course, everyone is different. I remember Rola Misaki was on the spot when she got a publication stunt from s Chinese billionaires who wanted to hire her as a personal assistance for a few years.
If you pay $1500 for one hour than it should be all inclusive including Bareback. You could easily get testing certificate for less than EUR50. If you see all of AO party in Germany such as Sperma Game, all of the people must get tested before the party start. The HIV testing is normally organised by the party organisers and cost less than EUR 50.
I didn't know who she was, so I looked her up. I'd fuck her LOL! But, I would not pay $1,500 per hour. I'd rather find a look-a-like or somebody I liked even better optics-wise, and pay a fraction of that price to fuck her (hopefully in her anus).
I didn't know who she was, so I looked her up. I'd fuck her LOL! But, I would not pay $1,500 per hour. I'd rather find a look-a-like or somebody I liked even better optics-wise, and pay a fraction of that price to fuck her (hopefully in her anus).She is also doing escorting.
https://worldxxxescorts.com/ivana-sugar-ukrainian-pornstar-pornstar/
https://twitter.com/ivanasugar?lang=en
You might get a better rate if you could contact her using her Social Networking site. There is a lot fake twitter site manage by an agent. So the twitter site above might not be maintained by her own.
BigBuddy69
02-17-21, 21:14
I am pretty sure I never consider a prostitute is an evil and / or a sub-human. Like all of you, I do have a full respect to the prostitutes (WGs). We are all humans.Unfortunately, not like all of us. There are a few dudes on this forum who seem to consider prostitutes like pieces of trash who don't deserve to start a new life after they're finished with this job, because they have so little self esteem that they fuck with anybody for money (incidentally, the money is also the reason for these dudes to be able to get laid but they don't seem to understand that).
https://twitter.com/ivanasugar?lang=en
You might get a better rate if you could contact her using her Social Networking site. There is a lot fake twitter site manage by an agent. So the twitter site above might not be maintained by her own.I doubt they'd reply. That twitter page has been dormant for almost 4 years.
I have watched Maria Ozawa, Rola Misaki (Lola Takizawa- JP RU), Monika Hasegawa (JP BR) all of these mix race JAV pornstars.
I would like to go with all these JAV porn stars. I could effort to pay $1500 per hour. But I do not want to pay that rate if I could easily get quite similar girls for much less. But of course, everyone is different. I remember Rola Misaki was on the spot when she got a publication stunt from s Chinese billionaires who wanted to hire her as a personal assistance for a few years.
If you pay $1500 for one hour than it should be all inclusive including Bareback. You could easily get testing certificate for less than EUR50. If you see all of AO party in Germany such as Sperma Game, all of the people must get tested before the party start. The HIV testing is normally organised by the party organisers and cost less than EUR 50.Yeah that 10 million USD for rola is fake news by the way, the guy did it for publicity stunt, and also Maria ozawa was 1500 usd for 70 min and rola was 500 usd both in Japanese yen for 2 hours, I got rola before her debut to av and Maria ozawa was back in 2008 at peak of her career and peak of her looks 12 years ago as now Maria ozawa is old, though she did age well! However, girls after age let say 27 do not interest me optic wise!
Monica Hasegawa was also up on sale, but I missed her as by the time I realized, she was escorting in Osaka, I guess she lives there, and I am in Tokyo, so I do not want to go all the way to Osaka to fuck her! Plus they got no record on me in Osaka, so I do not know if I can book her there, it is seller market and agency kinda have to know you are safe client, they care more for their product which is av actresses and not clients as there are many clients who pay, but av actresses especially food Eurasian ones are limited!
I always had interest to go to AO in Germany, but I never made it on time before summer 2017, now it is illegal, so access is limited and optically girls may not satisfy me enough to fuck as I only fuck stunner!
Unfortunately, not like all of us. There are a few dudes on this forum who seem to consider prostitutes like pieces of trash who don't deserve to start a new life after they're finished with this job, because they have so little self esteem that they fuck with anybody for money (incidentally, the money is also the reason for these dudes to be able to get laid but they don't seem to understand that).It is funny how there are ethical preacher on sex forum LOL! Who do the exact same things as others, making girls suck their dicks by paying money and fuck them by paying money, and thinks he is different LOL! Look in the mirror, we are all in the same cave, and I know what you going to say, I treat them with respect or some cliche like that to make you feel you are the good guy fucking prostitute in brothel LOL! Right?
It is this fake delusional mentality like this making this world messed up place LOL!
I am sure your 50 euro saved their lives like your 50 cents you put into UNICEF coin box next to cash register machine, believe that LOL!
I didn't know who she was, so I looked her up. I'd fuck her LOL! But, I would not pay $1,500 per hour. I'd rather find a look-a-like or somebody I liked even better optics-wise, and pay a fraction of that price to fuck her (hopefully in her anus).At her prime, I would, but you are right, in FKK you do find same level or even better ones! But wow in early 2010's, these level of girls were more easily found, like 4 or 5 in line up, nowadays I am lucky if I find 1 or 2 in line up; But I manage, sometimes travelling to few fkks in one day even getting lost in forest without wifi connection to get to one late in night LOL! What a monger do to fuck stunner LOL!
This is best thing about german FKK, they actually provide real young stunner level girls! I just missed the line up back in early 2010's, when there were many, I am not into threesome that much, but I did have much more threesome before than now as now I do not find 2 stunners most days just one! But I did enough threesome in my life already with stunners, so quality over quantity for me, so if I find two on same night in same club and I did solo sessions first with both of them, I will bring in threesome for my third session with both stunners! If that day ever comes LOL!
BigBuddy69
02-18-21, 07:29
It is funny how there are ethical preacher on sex forum LOL! Who do the exact same things as others, making girls suck their dicks by paying money and fuck them by paying money, and thinks he is different LOL! Look in the mirror, we are all in the same cave, and I know what you going to say, I treat them with respect or some cliche like that to make you feel you are the good guy fucking prostitute in brothel LOL! Right?
It is this fake delusional mentality like this making this world messed up place LOL!
I am sure your 50 euro saved their lives like your 50 cents you put into UNICEF coin box next to cash register machine, believe that LOL!Since you're not constantly talking shit about the girls you fucked, I'm not talking about you. Well you have strange fantasies but as long as it's consensual.
I do the same, I pay girls to have sex with them but I don't think they're despicable because they do this job, nor do I think that they are princesses to be worshipped and served in a servile way. I just show them respect and I'm grateful to them because they give me a good time.
And for the money I give them, it's not a gift it's a salary so they can do what ever they want but I prefer if they use it in a useful way, not to buy the new iPhone as soon as it's out or to help the lover boy buy his new BMW.
I always had interest to go to AO in Germany, but I never made it on time before summer 2017, now it is illegal, so access is limited and optically girls may not satisfy me enough to fuck as I only fuck stunner!
I am aware of the regulation "sex with condom" for paid sex with prostitutes which was introduced in Germany a few years ago. But I am not quite sure whether it will affect the AO party like Sperma Games. As far as I am aware, they were still advertising their tour even after the sex without condom restriction in Germany is introduced.
I think they argue that they are not prostitutes and the people visiting the party are donating, contributing to the party organiser and not paying for sex. It is the same like going to a private swingers party. Tthe police will not be able to interfere private sex life of civilian people. But if you want to visit an AO party like that, please make sure that you do not break the law, as you do not want to get caught by the police and be in front of the news with naked picture on the front page, lol
Same here I only have paid sex with the one I consider a stunner. It is not just about money but also energy. Once you dispatch your load, you will need to recharge and wait for about an hour before you could get ready again.
BigBuddy69
02-18-21, 10:01
The girls at the sperm games are German actresses, performers or maybe some amateurs but I don't think Ho will qualify them as stunners.
They don't really look like Dani Daniels, more like siliconed tattooed middle aged housewives.
I am aware of the regulation "sex with condom" for paid sex with prostitutes which was introduced in Germany a few years ago. But I am not quite sure whether it will affect the AO party like Sperma Games. As far as I am aware, they were still advertising their tour even after the sex without condom restriction in Germany is introduced.
I think they argue that they are not prostitutes and the people visiting the party are donating, contributing to the party organiser and not paying for sex. It is the same like going to a private swingers party. Tthe police will not be able to interfere private sex life of civilian people. But if you want to visit an AO party like that, please make sure that you do not break the law, as you do not want to get caught by the police and be in front of the news with naked picture on the front page, lol
Same here I only have paid sex with the one I consider a stunner. It is not just about money but also energy. Once you dispatch your load, you will need to recharge and wait for about an hour before you could get ready again.Me too, I am donating to FKK girls to support their luxury lives to buy bags etc, so I am not a monger LOL!
If the line up is stunner level AO party exist, no matter the cost, I like to attend!
... optically girls may not satisfy me enough to fuck as I only fuck stunner!I notice you, Expat lover and Sirioja say that you only fuck stunners. I hope you guys realize that one man's stunner may be another man's 5.
Same here I only have paid sex with the one I consider a stunner. It is not just about money but also energy. Once you dispatch your load, you will need to recharge and wait for about an hour before you could get ready again.Like Turgid mentioned in a list, apparently all you guys only fuck stunners. I'd fuck anything above a 7.
ExpatLover
02-18-21, 17:07
I notice you, Expat lover and Sirioja say that you only fuck stunners. I hope you guys realize that one man's stunner may be another man's 5.For me a stunner is first a natural beauty unfortunately many men have the same taste and those kind of girls are often over booked in the clubs.
For me a stunner is first a natural beauty unfortunately many men have the same taste and those kind of girls are often over booked in the clubs.Some features are clearly in demand but even if they're slim with the correct breast size there's a lot of them with makeup done 'different' or hair 'different' so that different mongers who like different things can find their diamond in the rough.
Like Turgid mentioned in a list, apparently all you guys only fuck stunners. I'd fuck anything above a 7.On the other hand, why would you not fuck the best you can get? You're paying for it. Your own market value is almost only determined by your abillity to pay so unless you're one of the stalkers I don't see why a compromise is necessary.
Of course, I know lots of guys like stuff I don't particularly like such as silicone or tattoos. Maybe someone thinks some of these are stunners.
BigBuddy69
02-18-21, 19:28
On the other hand, why would you not fuck the best you can get? You're paying for it. Your own market value is almost only determined by your abillity to pay so unless you're one of the stalkers I don't see why a compromise is necessary.
Of course, I know lots of guys like stuff I don't particularly like such as silicone or tattoos. Maybe someone thinks some of these are stunners.Because the best looks don't come always with the best attitude and the best service. If you're only excited by the looks of the girls it's not a problem but if you care about service it may be. Some girls rely only on their looks and they end up doing 20 minutes rooms with a shitty attitude but who cares? They always find some guys ready to pay for their looks.
And for some reason or another, you can be more attracted to a girl looking more GNDish than to a stunner because she has some kind of charm you cannot explain.
Ho qualified Jenna Jameson as a stunner.
I've looked through some pictures found here: https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-special-jenna-jameson-pictures-photogallery.html.
For me she looks like a caricature of the typical us porn actress, even on the oldest pictures everything about her looks fake. Maybe she looked better earlier but even on the 1997 picture, she's not appealing to me.
On the other hand, why would you not fuck the best you can get? You're paying for it. Your own market value is almost only determined by your abillity to pay so unless you're one of the stalkers I don't see why a compromise is necessary.
Of course, I know lots of guys like stuff I don't particularly like such as silicone or tattoos. Maybe someone thinks some of these are stunners.Because stunners only make up a small percentage of all hookers in clubs. If they're all stunners who give great service and there are enough of them to occupy my rough quota of 3 rooms per day for 2 weeks (with some repeats), then I'd probably only take stunners to rooms.
Given that's not the case and that you don't have to be a stunner to be attractive, taking an attractive 8 to a room perfectly makes me happy. If I see a girl in a club that I would find attractive in a normal setting, but she is not a stunner, would I pay the 50 e per half hour to fuck her? Of course I would.
Because the best looks don't come always with the best attitude and the best service. If you're only excited by the looks of the girls it's not a problem but if you care about service it may be. Some girls rely only on their looks and they end up doing 20 minutes rooms with a shitty attitude but who cares? They always find some guys ready to pay for their looks.
And for some reason or another, you can be more attracted to a girl looking more GNDish than to a stunner because she has some kind of charm you cannot explain.
Ho qualified Jenna Jameson as a stunner.
I've looked through some pictures found here: https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-special-jenna-jameson-pictures-photogallery.html.
For me she looks like a caricature of the typical us porn actress, even on the oldest pictures everything about her looks fake. Maybe she looked better earlier but even on the 1997 picture, she's not appealing to me.I don't think Jenna Jameson was that attractive either. I don't particularly like the GND look per se but I prefer girls who can pass as younger colleagues / subordinates / support staff where I work so I guess that's kind of where I end up anyway. This is also where my comments about makeup and hair comes from. I agree with you about attitude and service.
Because stunners only make up a small percentage of all hookers in clubs. If they're all stunners who give great service and there are enough of them to occupy my rough quota of 3 rooms per day for 2 weeks (with some repeats), then I'd probably only take stunners to rooms.
Given that's not the case and that you don't have to be a stunner to be attractive, taking an attractive 8 to a room perfectly makes me happy. If I see a girl in a club that I would find attractive in a normal setting, but she is not a stunner, would I pay the 50 e per half hour to fuck her? Of course I would.You also make some good points but I think the difference is that you seem to operate under the assumption that there are girls who objectively are stunners for all men. If I don't like tattoos then such a girl with a perfect body will fall in my ranking. Not as much as someone with a bad attitude but it will happen.
I should probably rephrase myself to say the best available according to your own preferences. If that's what you're doing then we do it the same way.
You also make some good points but I think the difference is that you seem to operate under the assumption that there are girls who objectively are stunners for all men. If I don't like tattoos then such a girl with a perfect body will fall in my ranking. Not as much as someone with a bad attitude but it will happen.
I should probably rephrase myself to say the best available according to your own preferences. If that's what you're doing then we do it the same way.Yeah everyone has different tastes for sure. However racial preferences, fetishes, and chubby-chasers aside, there probably is a reasonable standard for what is considered top tier that applies to most mongers' tastes profiles. The biggest divide would probably be separating the racial-ethnic preferences for fit girls and BBW type girls.
But that isn't really the crux of the statement. You don't appear to be one of the guilty parties but the ones who repeatedly feel the need to proclaim that they only pay for the best of the best seem to be doing it from a place of self grandeur. Self awareness would probably prevent then from saying it the way they do. Recognizing that tastes vary, a way of stating one's preferences would be to say something like "I like fresh-faced, younger, fit WGs with curves in the right places." It gets the point across that you prefer the natural looking, non-fat girls who have some tits and ass without the off-putting," I have better taste and am more selective than you" energy.
What about A. J. Applegate? Damn it pretty white girl with a big, plump, round booty is my kryptonite! Why I love Brazil so fucking much! All those pretty, big butt blonde "princesses" LOLOLOL!
I notice you, Expat lover and Sirioja say that you only fuck stunners. I hope you guys realize that one man's stunner may be another man's 5.Well as I mentioned before, my taste is very classic as in I tend to like straight out of fashion magazine looks like model or hottest girl in college kinda look and I like body that is sportive fit, or thin side like model, I do not need big curve or big tits, I prefer slender and tits being nicely shaped with nice shaped nipple than just being disgustingly big! I like beauty whether it is in clothing, interior design, watch or car etc, I like beauty in life and I stick to more classical understanding of beauty, so I would say my taste fit all without some fetish taste!
However, I have witnessed fetish taste of other mongers! Like I finally spotted stunner in club, then other monger walk toward her before as I begin to approach her, then I am like ah no, she is taken, then all of a sudden he approaches fat or thick plastic surgery tattooed up girl sitting next to stunner and take that fat one to the room LOL! And I am like whatta! LOL! So I know what you mean by people having different taste LOL! I stick to my good taste LOL!
Oh and I do not mind nationalities or skin color as long as she is stunner beauty to my classic taste! Like the cane said, varieties of beauties are spice of life! I love beautiful things and people and food and places in life, only beauty!
I don't think Jenna Jameson was that attractive either. I don't particularly like the GND look per se but I prefer girls who can pass as younger colleagues / subordinates / support staff where I work so I guess that's kind of where I end up anyway. This is also where my comments about makeup and hair comes from. I agree with you about attitude and service.
You also make some good points but I think the difference is that you seem to operate under the assumption that there are girls who objectively are stunners for all men. If I don't like tattoos then such a girl with a perfect body will fall in my ranking. Not as much as someone with a bad attitude but it will happen.
I should probably rephrase myself to say the best available according to your own preferences. If that's what you're doing then we do it the same way.I liked Jenna Jameson when she was young like more than 25 years ago, she had what I call blonde fallen angel look! Now she is horrible as she is old!
White girls age badly mostly and for me all women after let say around age 27 are not best looking anymore! After 30, it is finished!
For me a stunner is first a natural beauty unfortunately many men have the same taste and those kind of girls are often over booked in the clubs.I agree, more natural is better, but in FKK, it is hard to find after a girl being in FKK for more than one year, she usually do a bit of fixing, usually put something in her lip or do nose job! So you got to catch her during her first year in business! Or go to LR or GT where many girls are young and natural, but the line up at LR and GT is not good enough for me! No stunner there to my level unfortunately!
Because the best looks don't come always with the best attitude and the best service. If you're only excited by the looks of the girls it's not a problem but if you care about service it may be. Some girls rely only on their looks and they end up doing 20 minutes rooms with a shitty attitude but who cares? They always find some guys ready to pay for their looks.
And for some reason or another, you can be more attracted to a girl looking more GNDish than to a stunner because she has some kind of charm you cannot explain.
Ho qualified Jenna Jameson as a stunner.
I've looked through some pictures found here: https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-special-jenna-jameson-pictures-photogallery.html.
For me she looks like a caricature of the typical us porn actress, even on the oldest pictures everything about her looks fake. Maybe she looked better earlier but even on the 1997 picture, she's not appealing to me.Well simply because you have bad taste with bad upbringing LOL!
I liked Jenna Jameson when she was young like more than 25 years ago, she had what I call blonde fallen angel look! Now she is horrible as she is old!
White girls age badly mostly and for me all women after let say around age 27 are not best looking anymore! After 30, it is finished!White girls peak at 22-23, they hit the wall at 30. Unless you have serious bank and game galore, you cannot hit anything under 30 at my age. This is why FKK is such a special place. A yummy buffet with plenty of pre-wall hotties, Ro or not. Pretty face, good skin, good feet, and a spinner. BAM! I'm there.
White girls peak at 22-23, they hit the wall at 30. Unless you have serious bank and game galore, you cannot hit anything under 30 at my age. This is why FKK is such a special place. A yummy buffet with plenty of pre-wall hotties, Ro or not. Pretty face, good skin, good feet, and a spinner. BAM! I'm there.Yeah, I am into stunner beauty as well, in this era we live in, which is filled with freedom comparison to 20th century or even early 21st century, why not take initiative to be more free that is granted to us and when it comes to the hobby of ours, we just have to fly and also this, thanks to globalization of 21st century enabling us to fly so easily at reasonable cost!
With bit of money, creative mind, free spirit and will to discover and information, men can be so free in this era we live in!
What about A. J. Applegate? Damn it pretty white girl with a big, plump, round booty is my kryptonite! Why I love Brazil so fucking much! All those pretty, big butt blonde "princesses" LOLOLOL!You are more on thicker side with curve and big bubbly butt, but me, I like more slender sportive body, though we do agreed that Ivana Sugar is or now was a beauty!
I would say my blonde type is Russian or Swedish or Danish or norther German stunner blonde who has sportive slender body or model type body is good for me too! I understand more meat can be turn on for some people, but for me I prefer more sportive fit slender body!
However, that is blonde, and for Romanian, I use them for my more exotic little bit tanned brunette or more darker hair exotic taste that remind me of roman empire time or half Arab beauty or Latino kinda looks, Romania has so many different ethnicity mixed that cater to all taste really, even found natural blonde beauty from Romania few times!
All races has beautiful girls, we just have to look hard to find the one that pushes your button!
Like Turgid mentioned in a list, apparently all you guys only fuck stunners. I'd fuck anything above a 7.Then you won't have my problem of going to three FKKs in one single day amost everyday when I am doing mongering trip in NRW LOL! Plus getting lost in forest at like 7 pm in middle of winter without wifi trying to reach my third FKK LOL!
I don't think Jenna Jameson was that attractive either. I don't particularly like the GND look per se but I prefer girls who can pass as younger colleagues / subordinates / support staff where I work so I guess that's kind of where I end up anyway. This is also where my comments about makeup and hair comes from. I agree with you about attitude and service.
You also make some good points but I think the difference is that you seem to operate under the assumption that there are girls who objectively are stunners for all men. If I don't like tattoos then such a girl with a perfect body will fall in my ranking. Not as much as someone with a bad attitude but it will happen.
I should probably rephrase myself to say the best available according to your own preferences. If that's what you're doing then we do it the same way.Well, I do not idolize Jenna Jameson, but if I see her in German FKK as Jenna Jameson as she was 25 years ago when she was young and just began in the industry with no surgery with only one small heart tattoo on her butt, then I would definitely take her to room! If you do not, then it is super welcome by me as less hassle for me to get her when I want to the room, which is how I want LOL!
I would make her suck and lick my dick and my anal and tell her to look into my eyes while she is doing that LOL!
ExpatLover
02-19-21, 05:48
White girls peak at 22-23, they hit the wall at 30. Unless you have serious bank and game galore, you cannot hit anything under 30 at my age. This is why FKK is such a special place. A yummy buffet with plenty of pre-wall hotties, Ro or not. Pretty face, good skin, good feet, and a spinner. BAM! I'm there.I would like to say more around 18.
ExpatLover
02-19-21, 05:51
I agree, more natural is better, but in FKK, it is hard to find after a girl being in FKK for more than one year, she usually do a bit of fixing, usually put something in her lip or do nose job! So you got to catch her during her first year in business! Or go to LR or GT where many girls are young and natural, but the line up at LR and GT is not good enough for me! No stunner there to my level unfortunately!I was always impressed how the girls are changing after several weeks or months in a FKK, not only their attitude but also their face, their global body language.
White girls peak at 22-23, they hit the wall at 30. Unless you have serious bank and game galore, you cannot hit anything under 30 at my age. This is why FKK is such a special place. A yummy buffet with plenty of pre-wall hotties, Ro or not. Pretty face, good skin, good feet, and a spinner. BAM! I'm there.I like the white chicks up to 27. At that age, they're old enough to have learned how to suck and fuck, but still young enough to have a banging body.
https://youtu.be/Tre_1oUNf2g
BigBuddy69
02-19-21, 14:35
Well simply because you have bad taste with bad upbringing LOL!Because I'm not attracted to the typical looks of us porn stars from the 90's?
Maybe the problem is with you!
She looks like one of the usual blonde playboy playmates from the 90's. Most of them look the same to me. On the other hand, they had great brunettes or redheads playmates these years.
As for porn stars, the actual one that I would define as a stunner is Stacy Cruz, the Czech girl.
I was always impressed how the girls are changing after several weeks or months in a FKK, not only their attitude but also their face, their global body language.Yes, also their nose, lips, tits, and even their names and nationalities sometimes LOL!
I would like to say more around 18.I know from your posts you do not bang girls after they have peaked. I take it you bang ONLY 18 year olds.
Because I'm not attracted to the typical looks of us porn stars from the 90's?
Maybe the problem is with you!
She looks like one of the usual blonde playboy playmates from the 90's. Most of them look the same to me. On the other hand, they had great brunettes or redheads playmates these years.
As for porn stars, the actual one that I would define as a stunner is Stacy Cruz, the Czech girl.Is this her? Not a stunner on my scale (a 7 or 8 maybe), but definitely got a monger thinking about that cornhole! Hahaha!
Like Turgid mentioned in a list, apparently all you guys only fuck stunners. I'd fuck anything above a 7.Depends on where I am. In FKK I'd do 7 and up according to my rating. In countries where the talent is not as good I'd go with 5 and up. I've been known to do a 4.
You are more on thicker side with curve and big bubbly butt, but me, I like more slender sportive body, though we do agreed that Ivana Sugar is or now was a beauty.Yes, The Cane goes for a plump, round, bubble! Plump but fit. Not fat!
HammerTime96
02-19-21, 15:26
As for porn stars, the actual one that I would define as a stunner is Stacy Cruz, the Czech girl.I remember Czech girl Veronica Zemanova from the 1990's, so only did some (fairly lame) 'hardcore' scenes, but she was hot as hell!
Porn stars I would fuck? A girl like the 'old' Capri Cavanni would be very high on my list, but she has definitely lost her looks and things have unfortunately gone pear shape.
My current favourites would be Madison Ivy, Samantha Saint (although I think she quit the business), Kendra Lust, Madelyn Marie, Black Angelika, and Rachel Star. I think there is a clear pattern: curvy figure & big tits. And I have no problem with silicone or some tattoos, as long as it's not too much. Hence why I loved fucking girls like Kaira (SRB / SLO) in Sharks or Pamala (RO) in GT. Kaira's attitude sucked a little bit (lots of complaining) sometimes, but a session with her always resulted in a very reliable 30 minutes 'optic fuck' for me, and she was always fair and honest to me: she tells her customers ahead of time what the deal was (no DFK or fingering for 50 Euro sessions) but in the room there was never any upselling or pressure.
Best porno sex I've had with Barbie (DE) from the Ruhr Area, who used to work in Sharks a few years ago and then a little while in GT before completely quitting the business. She had quite a few tattoos, big but soft silicone tits, jet-black hair, and loved hardcore fucking, and we had very good chemistry together. Man, do I miss her!
PaulInZurich
02-19-21, 15:56
I would like to say more around 18.18 year olds are terrible in bed. I fucked a few 18 - 19 year olds in Globe and none were great rooms.
PaulInZurich
02-19-21, 16:01
I was always impressed how the girls are changing after several weeks or months in a FKK, not only their attitude but also their face, their global body language.You are right about this, I remember some girls how different they came across after a few weeks. For example first time it's their turn to do a live show in Globe or first day doing public sex. After 3 weeks, meh, no big deal.
BigBuddy69
02-19-21, 16:26
Is this her? Not a stunner on my scale (a 7 or 8 maybe), but definitely got a monger thinking about that cornhole! Hahaha!Yes that's her. I would say that among actual euro porn stars, with Luci Li and probably Sybil and Jia Lissa, they would be the girls of stunner quality for me. And Lyia Silver minus the tattoos.
The pictures you picked are more like everyday pictures.
In the actual US porn stars, probably Kenna James and Charlotte sins. Karla Kush and Dani Daniels were great but they are more or less retired.
For the girls that ht96 quotes, there is definitively too much silicon and surgery involved for me. Samantha Saint and Madison ivy maybe, when they were not too much 'inflated'. Nicole Aniston was hot too, even after the boob job but now she looks like her face is made of wax.
Veronika Z had something I agree.
I would like to say more around 18.25 yo girls are so much more interesting for woman than 18 yo with milk in nose. Had great in 30's in brothels, 3 close to nearly 40 and still really fresh, when many 18/20 are not pretty.
For me a stunner is first a natural beauty unfortunately many men have the same taste and those kind of girls are often over booked in the clubs.On Winter 2014/2015 at World, had on many Saturdays a real natural Romanian brunette beauty and top GFE, only for me, being her only business, from 5 pm she started to 5 am. Some much less pretty than her got more busy, sometimes I was a bit sad for her, sitting, waiting, too pretty for clients. When she lost elegance, she got better business.
I was always impressed how the girls are changing after several weeks or months in a FKK, not only their attitude but also their face, their global body language.Yeah, in only a few weeks (or less) they can change their look so much that I don't even recognize them! Meanwhile, a man will keep the same hairstyle for his entire life LOL! Only when he loses too much hair must he change haha!
Yes that's her. I would say that among actual euro porn stars, with Luci Li and probably Sybil and Jia Lissa, they would be the girls of stunner quality for me. And Lyia Silver minus the tattoos.
The pictures you picked are more like everyday pictures.
In the actual US porn stars, probably Kenna James and Charlotte sins. Karla Kush and Dani Daniels were great but they are more or less retired.
For the girls that ht96 quotes, there is definitively too much silicon and surgery involved for me. Samantha Saint and Madison ivy maybe, when they were not too much 'inflated'. Nicole Aniston was hot too, even after the boob job but now she looks like her face is made of wax.
Veronika Z had something I agree.OK, so by the look of it, you tend to go for more next door beautiful girls, and I rate them as 7 or 8 and I would go with them in FKK too and I like that they are natural kinda looks, and I fucked girls like this more in nrw after going to 3 FKK in one day LOL and also in Artemis, you would have loved Geraldine from Hungary, make the natural girl into super model kinda type she was, not big tits, but natural beautifully shaped tit and wow she turn it on once the session begin, natural beauty who got classy looks turn so dirtiest!
Yeah Nicole Aniston for me is 8, but would be 9,if she would be more sportive fit, slender, and with natural tits that is shaped beautifully! I would say my type would be super model with sportive slender fit body who are natural! Or hottest girl in college version of that! Which is hard to find in FKK, but they exist after some hardcore struggle to find the one!
You got some normal toward taste, I have seen some strange staffs in FKK as I mentioned, guys ignoring stunners I mentioned above or your type as well and going for some older fat tattooed up, plastic monsters instead! It is like Fear and loathing in Las Vegas, I thought I must have lost in mind with all that THC I was consuming back then LOL!
Yes, The Cane goes for a plump, round, bubble! Plump but fit. Not fat!Yeah I feel you! I know the differences, so Brazil or Latin part of this world is more for you LOL! Some Bulgarians are more on curve side too!
On the same note, NRW FKK may not be for you, you have been to GT and LR is more on younger line up side who are natural and I do not remember seeing too many of developed and curve kinda ladies, it is more like girls in LR, and as for ocenas, it is mostly young line up too, but may have more chance than LR for your taste, I would stick to Artemis that is for sure as that place serve all taste, just bit weak lately for my taste will 2019 once again! 2010 to let say 2014 was amazing for me at Artemis!
18 year olds are terrible in bed. I fucked a few 18 - 19 year olds in Globe and none were great rooms.Oh I love 18 and 19! Linda was allegedly 19, it is possible! But who knows the truth about the age or even nationalities or names even though a monger here on this forum once claimed that he checks girls ID to check real names and where she is from LOL! Believe that LOL!
However, I love fucking the girl on first day at FKK or in the industry, they do not know. What they are. Doing, so I was allowed to do everything LOL! And they fuck so hard as though they are trying to break themselves into the industry LOL!
ExpatLover
02-20-21, 01:49
18 year olds are terrible in bed. I fucked a few 18 - 19 year olds in Globe and none were great rooms.I try to be consistent with myself, I am only looking for natural beauties and for me the new and young comers in FKK fulfilled that conditions, at this age they are just entering the business have no money for sili, Botox. I agree with Mr Ho they are really willing to please even they don t have great skills they are more like a GFE which I really like.
18 year olds are terrible in bed. I fucked a few 18 - 19 year olds in Globe and none were great rooms.Truth there bro. I raw dogged a few 19 years olds back in the day. So damn tight and wet, and I didn't have the experience to handle it at the time. What a waste! LOL. But once you mature and start putting a hat on the little man, you're going to need a girl who knows how to please a man and not just lay there looking good. That's why smashing the 22-23 zone is the sweet spot at FKK. IMO.
HammerTime96
02-20-21, 10:03
For the girls that ht96 quotes, there is definitively too much silicon and surgery involved for me. Samantha Saint and Madison ivy maybe, when they were not too much 'inflated'. Nicole Aniston was hot too, even after the boob job but now she looks like her face is made of wax.Yes, good point, especially about Nicole Aniston. That waxy duck-face looks ridiculous, and eventually most porn stars go overboard with all the surgery and Botox, similar to most women who work in GT. Perhaps some looked hot and raunchy years ago, but now they merely look 'over the hill' and fake.
Unlike our French mountain climbing Casanova, I am not pretending to be God's Gift to women or be some kind of James Bond, but I do try to stay in shape and care for my hygiene, women say I'm cute for my age. And I do a reasonable job in getting laid outside the P6 and FKK environment. I However, do occasionally like the porn star look and I love the luxury of getting laid once on a while without all the 'dating' hassle, and for me this is / was the main reason for visiting FKK clubs: conveniently fuck hot women that I would generally not hang out with or would not necessarily like to introduce to my friends and family.
And yes, 18-19 year old girls are a complete waste of time. I was never a big fan of Janine (DE) in Sharks, but I once caught her sitting alone on that famous couch near the entrance so I decided to give her a go. It was like fucking a blow-up doll and a complete waste of 50 Euros.
Another two good PSE-ish girls in Sharks are Manuela (BG) and Catalina (RO). Nice slender GND bodies, without giant tattoos or giant silicone (but Manuela unfortunately put botox in her lips), but both were very good in bed, they had no shame or inhibitions for a good round of sports-fucking, and they are both genuinely nice girls. I always had a good experience with them.
Just in case Pornstar Escort is your thing; I think these sites have one of the most extensive British / EU pornstar collections.
https://www.internationalsugarbabes.com/
https://photogirls.net/index.php?page=index.htm
You could find well known Pornstars such as Aisha Angel, Cathy Heaven, Cherry Kiss, Sandra Domain, Sienna day, Tiffany Russo, Tommie Jo, Sophie Evens, Isabella Clark, Daisy Lee.
Certainly the pictures are heavily photoshoped. I have not tried this website neither do I have connection with them but it seems to me it is legit and the price is quite reasonable if it is all inclusive. Like any agent they will take large chunk of your money, so if you could find a way of contacting them via their own social networking sites, you could certainly save your money.
In their youths, To me Aisha Angel, Cherry Kiss, Tommie Jo, Sophie Evans are among the best looking Pronstars.
https://www.internationalsugarbabes.com/gallery/porn-star-aisha-angel/
https://www.internationalsugarbabes.com/gallery/porn-star-cherry-kiss/
https://www.internationalsugarbabes.com/gallery/porn-star-tommie-jo/
https://www.internationalsugarbabes.com/gallery/porn-star-sophie-evans/
Just in case Pornstar Escort is your thing; I think these sites have one of the most extensive British / EU pornstar collections.
https://www.internationalsugarbabes.com/
https://photogirls.net/index.php?page=index.htm
You could find well known Pornstars such as Aisha Angel, Cathy Heaven, Cherry Kiss, Sandra Domain, Sienna day, Tiffany Russo, Tommie Jo, Sophie Evens, Isabella Clark, Daisy Lee.
Certainly the pictures are heavily photoshoped. I have not tried this website neither do I have connection with them but it seems to me it is legit and the price is quite reasonable if it is all inclusive. Like any agent they will take large chunk of your money, so if you could find a way of contacting them via their own social networking sites, you could certainly save your money.I have been with only one known porn star in my entire life, and that was Elisa Sanches in Brazil. It's just really never been my thing, and in my view hardly worth the money in most cases. As long as a tute was good enough that she "ought to be in pictures", that was good enough for me! But there was something about Elisa. I had to have her! Especially when I found out she was fucking her fans!
Well, when she showed up I was pleased. She was all made up and looked just like she did in her videos. She sucked my dick and sucked at my nuts, and let me fuck her in the butt (anal is her specialty). I also got me some pussy as well as kissing. And like I said, $25 an hour for a couple of two- hour sessions was a steal! Plus she was down to earth and we could communicate well in Spanish.
Now, I consider myself to have been lucky to have enjoyed a good experience with the one and only popular porn star I have been with. It's not the same for a lot of guys. Remember, when we see these girls on video, they are acting! That means they might be doing some things they really don't like. So when you meet them for a session, maybe they won't be so into doing what you saw them doing in the video. They might be tired and grumpy or maybe just not very nice.
And a big one to remember is that when we see these girls in the video, they are all made up. Many times when they show up to turn a trick, they won't have their makeup on, and you will wonder if it's even the same person! Like I said, lucky I didn't have any of these issues with Elisa. But if you're looking for a porn star prostitute, buyer beware!
https://humour360.com/sexy-nsfw/93-pornstars-with-and-without-make-up/
BigBuddy69
02-20-21, 13:50
By reading your list, I just remembered another Sophie, Sophie moon or Moone. She did mainly lesbian scenes but she was one of the most beautiful girls I've ever seen in porn. I'm sure ho will label her as a cute GND.
Basically, most of the girls that Hervé Bodilis shot when he was directing pornochic and other series from hustler were great looking.
Unfortunately now the girls he shoots look like white trailer trash.
Delta Indigo
02-20-21, 14:47
Yeah I feel you! I know the differences, so Brazil or Latin part of this world is more for you LOL! Some Bulgarians are more on curve side too!
On the same note, NRW FKK may not be for you, you have been to GT and LR is more on younger line up side who are natural and I do not remember seeing too many of developed and curve kinda ladies, it is more like girls in LR, and as for ocenas, it is mostly young line up too, but may have more chance than LR for your taste, I would stick to Artemis that is for sure as that place serve all taste, just bit weak lately for my taste will 2019 once again! 2010 to let say 2014 was amazing for me at Artemis!I am not talking about Bulgarians vs Romanians in FKKs. But I have come across many bulgarian girls in the Antwerp and Amsterdam RLDs. In my opinion, bulgarian girls have some of the best bodies anywhere. For my taste, a well proportionate ass, not a large plump one, also they tend to be fit and somewhat muscular, not overly, but enough to have a well toned body. These are some of the best bodies I have seen. Of course many Romanian girls have superb bodies, but I would say as of what I have seen to date, the bulgarian average is somewhat higher. I am more open minded with time, but I like them thin and firm. Also I hate flat asses, but prefer the firm small bulgarian asses to the voluminous latin ones. I did not think bulgarian girls were on the curvy side, I rather thought they were usually a bit thinner and taller than Romanian girls on average. There are very few tall Romanians in my experience, but far more tall Bulgarian girls on average, the difference in height is not enormous but unmistakable.
Better to understand English, when I never wrote I asked to check ID, but some girls and 2 at Globe showed me their ID when I never asked for, to show me their real name when I didn't care much about. I remember one who had her real name at work. Always better for me to get girls willing to give me rather than needing to beg grocery because not able to make girls will to give back. Like at LR when I was weekly first choice for 10 months as long I went for busy superstar and I m fully sure I would have remained for years she worked as long I wanted, when she always did welcome me, adapting for me, even when she was booked for whole week end, but she made free for me to start her day as usual. Must be a real reason for never posh princess attitude for me, as long I wanted to go with her, but will remain only between us, when weekly real facts happened on about 30 visits, not only 1 or 2. She understood I m not a guy to be a second choice, when asking me not to go with other girls and angry when she was told by a German who needed to tell about Kate, like another German needed to send her when she was sleeping in Romania, I was at LR and with Daria. How could I know about this? Just great behavior on many times for me, when other guys were waiting, but unfortunately became bad image for me, You don t like me anymore? She asked. If not, she would have me keeping on driving weekly 1000 kms for her when she improved so much for me, and furthermore with amazing new right curve built to Neuss, challenge being to pass full speed to grip limit needing 2 lines finishing really on very left of the track. Reminding me other amazing right curve after Lohmar to Frankfurt needing full 3 lines to keep grip, when much over 200 for both. I also remember curves with bumps from Kaiserlautern to Trier, needing more broad than 2 lines, for adrenaline. Quattro don t really help to feel grip limit, xdrive and easier to play with limit, like to play to stay on edge when fucking girls, using belly muscles, best pleasure when being full of blood pressure, being very hard, and not finger size of course, for girls to feel inside.
Just in case Pornstar Escort is your thing; I think these sites have one of the most extensive British / EU pornstar collections.
https://www.internationalsugarbabes.com/
https://photogirls.net/index.php?page=index.htm
You could find well known Pornstars such as Aisha Angel, Cathy Heaven, Cherry Kiss, Sandra Domain, Sienna day, Tiffany Russo, Tommie Jo, Sophie Evens, Isabella Clark, Daisy Lee.
Certainly the pictures are heavily photoshoped. I have not tried this website neither do I have connection with them but it seems to me it is legit and the price is quite reasonable if it is all inclusive. Like any agent they will take large chunk of your money, so if you could find a way of contacting them via their own social networking sites, you could certainly save your money.Could have Hungarian Mia Evans for 93 €/30 at Zeus. Ch, but even smiling lovely, fully natural with milky skin, but no wow for me when I love milky skin, and I preferred to go with a quite elegant look Romanian rather than a GND pornstar. I remember Hungarian or Czech like Sabrina pornstars escorting in Paris for 250 or 300 €/60. But I prefer a elegant natural beauty looking like a woman. Most desirable for me are when looking like elegant beauties can see in streets or shops, at least like I often see in Paris, when I run away from prostitute behavior or stolen car looks.
Back in the 80's and early 90s I sprayed lots of man chowder to Racquel Darrian, my favorite porn star of all time. They don't make them like that anymore.
Back in the 80's and early 90s I sprayed lots of man chowder to Racquel Darrian, my favorite porn star of all time. They don't make them like that anymore.She was good at her peak: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racquel_Darrian.
I did not think bulgarian girls were on the curvy side, I rather thought they were usually a bit thinner and taller than Romanian girls on average. There are very few tall Romanians in my experience, but far more tall Bulgarian girls on average, the difference in height is not enormous but unmistakable.I have never noticed a difference in height between the two countries, whether it be WGs or general population, but once you crossover to Serbia, a country that both countries border, there is a considerable difference in height. According to these, Romanian women and Bulgarian women have the same average height (the second link even has Romanians almost a centimeter taller):
https://www.worlddata.info/average-bodyheight.php
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_human_height_by_country
If I were to compile a top five list of the WG bodies I have encountered: Ukraine, Poland, Turkey, Tunisia, Romania. This despite the fact that I have encountered and banged several magnitudes of order more Romanian WGs than any other ethnic group. My top five I could form with zero effort because they so stood out so much. But a top ten is more difficult to compile, because say number eight would be interchangeable with say 15 or even 20.
BigBuddy69
02-20-21, 16:19
Back in the 80's and early 90s I sprayed lots of man chowder to Racquel Darrian, my favorite porn star of all time. They don't make them like that anymore.Wow. Big hair.
She looks like a Motley Crue groupie.
ExpatLover
02-20-21, 17:12
I am not talking about Bulgarians vs Romanians in FKKs. But I have come across many bulgarian girls in the Antwerp and Amsterdam RLDs. In my opinion, bulgarian girls have some of the best bodies anywhere. For my taste, a well proportionate ass, not a large plump one, also they tend to be fit and somewhat muscular, not overly, but enough to have a well toned body. These are some of the best bodies I have seen. Of course many Romanian girls have superb bodies, but I would say as of what I have seen to date, the bulgarian average is somewhat higher. I am more open minded with time, but I like them thin and firm. Also I hate flat asses, but prefer the firm small bulgarian asses to the voluminous latin ones. I did not think bulgarian girls were on the curvy side, I rather thought they were usually a bit thinner and taller than Romanian girls on average. There are very few tall Romanians in my experience, but far more tall Bulgarian girls on average, the difference in height is not enormous but unmistakable.Sorry but I can t agree with you, I am a 60+ European guy I am not able to see any differences between a Italian, Spanish, French. Woman, just because you have all the type in each country. Going deeper Bulgaria and Romania were create more or less after the second WW, for me obviously their mix ethnicity is the same than in all the other European countries. I worked in Turkey and I can tell you that you have some girls you believe they are Swedish.
I have been with only one known porn star in my entire life, and that was Elisa Sanches in Brazil. It's just really never been my thing, and in my view hardly worth the money in most cases. As long as a tute was good enough that she "ought to be in pictures", that was good enough for me! But there was something about Elisa. I had to have her! Especially when I found out she was fucking her fans!
I went through a Porn Star phase from around ten plus years ago and fucked quite a few porn stars in the US and Europe back then. Over that period, thirty seven different porn stars were fucked in total. Some multiple times. A mix of US, Czech, Hungarian, Romanian, British and German. My most notable fucks were Nessa Devil and Angelina Valentine when they were in their prime. Nessa Devil loved taking it up the ass and Angelina Valentine was a wild nasty fuck. She squirted a lot.
Nowadays I tend to go for the more Victoria Secret's/Met Art model types but if there is one porn star right now that I missed out on and would love to fuck, that would be Bonita Saint. She is so god damn gorgeous. To me, hotter and nastier than Racquel Darrian.
Howie.
I am not talking about Bulgarians vs Romanians in FKKs. But I have come across many bulgarian girls in the Antwerp and Amsterdam RLDs. In my opinion, bulgarian girls have some of the best bodies anywhere. For my taste, a well proportionate ass, not a large plump one, also they tend to be fit and somewhat muscular, not overly, but enough to have a well toned body. These are some of the best bodies I have seen. Of course many Romanian girls have superb bodies, but I would say as of what I have seen to date, the bulgarian average is somewhat higher. I am more open minded with time, but I like them thin and firm. Also I hate flat asses, but prefer the firm small bulgarian asses to the voluminous latin ones. I did not think bulgarian girls were on the curvy side, I rather thought they were usually a bit thinner and taller than Romanian girls on average. There are very few tall Romanians in my experience, but far more tall Bulgarian girls on average, the difference in height is not enormous but unmistakable.Agreed regarding average Bulgarian build. Perhaps it's cultural but I've seen more athletic types from Bulgaria. Have you also noticed a difference in their style in bed? Specifically when they are on top.
Yes, good point, especially about Nicole Aniston. That waxy duck-face looks ridiculous, and eventually most porn stars go overboard with all the surgery and Botox, similar to most women who work in GT. Perhaps some looked hot and raunchy years ago, but now they merely look 'over the hill' and fake.
Unlike our French mountain climbing Casanova, I am not pretending to be God's Gift to women or be some kind of James Bond, but I do try to stay in shape and care for my hygiene, women say I'm cute for my age. And I do a reasonable job in getting laid outside the P6 and FKK environment. I However, do occasionally like the porn star look and I love the luxury of getting laid once on a while without all the 'dating' hassle, and for me this is / was the main reason for visiting FKK clubs: conveniently fuck hot women that I would generally not hang out with or would not necessarily like to introduce to my friends and family.
And yes, 18-19 year old girls are a complete waste of time. I was never a big fan of Janine (DE) in Sharks, but I once caught her sitting alone on that famous couch near the entrance so I decided to give her a go. It was like fucking a blow-up doll and a complete waste of 50 Euros.
Another two good PSE-ish girls in Sharks are Manuela (BG) and Catalina (RO). Nice slender GND bodies, without giant tattoos or giant silicone (but Manuela unfortunately put botox in her lips), but both were very good in bed, they had no shame or inhibitions for a good round of sports-fucking, and they are both genuinely nice girls. I always had a good experience with them.Just perfect example of many bullshiting here without knowing, not even knowing Casanova was only interested by art of seduction, not by sex, when some girls insult me: You fuck like a pornstar, and yes I enjoy when girls will to do for me without needing to beg, or offer me when they could ask money, real pleasure about this money business, when I don t shave to go to brothels, maybe to keep influx like for my climbing, maybe why I don't need yet Viagra to be hard when I have desire. Always better to know a bit.
I am not talking about Bulgarians vs Romanians in FKKs. But I have come across many bulgarian girls in the Antwerp and Amsterdam RLDs. In my opinion, bulgarian girls have some of the best bodies anywhere. For my taste, a well proportionate ass, not a large plump one, also they tend to be fit and somewhat muscular, not overly, but enough to have a well toned body. These are some of the best bodies I have seen. Of course many Romanian girls have superb bodies, but I would say as of what I have seen to date, the bulgarian average is somewhat higher. I am more open minded with time, but I like them thin and firm. Also I hate flat asses, but prefer the firm small bulgarian asses to the voluminous latin ones. I did not think bulgarian girls were on the curvy side, I rather thought they were usually a bit thinner and taller than Romanian girls on average. There are very few tall Romanians in my experience, but far more tall Bulgarian girls on average, the difference in height is not enormous but unmistakable.Well some Bulgarians are nice as well as Romanian, for me races do not matter as long as she is young, natural as possible or natural and stunner level beauty! But who knows where they are from in the place where they claim to be Italian or Spanish even though they are not!
But there is even a monger on this forum who claimed that a FKK girls who is protective about their privacy somehow showed him their ID in FKK LOL! I mean believe that LOL! I would love to know what situation a prostitute would show a monger an ID in FKK unless he is a cop LOL! IQ LOL!
I went through a Porn Star phase from around ten plus years ago and fucked quite a few porn stars in the US and Europe back then. Over that period, thirty seven different porn stars were fucked in total. Some multiple times. A mix of US, Czech, Hungarian, Romanian, British and German. My most notable fucks were Nessa Devil and Angelina Valentine when they were in their prime. Nessa Devil loved taking it up the ass and Angelina Valentine was a wild nasty fuck. She squirted a lot.
Nowadays I tend to go for the more Victoria Secret's/Met Art model types but if there is one porn star right now that I missed out on and would love to fuck, that would be Bonita Saint. She is so god damn gorgeous. To me, hotter and nastier than Racquel Darrian.
Howie.I would fuck Nessa Devil in her prime just when she debuted without surgeries! With surgeries she looks horrible and now she is too old! She remind me of some FKK stunner, who begin as natural beauty, but destroy her beauties by industry temptation of plastic surgeries and too much enhanced tits like some of those Abdel girls did to themselves! Or some palace stunner who join as natural beauty, but after a year or two bang! Tits job, tattoo, lip job, nose job and Botox and beauties are gone! But some did ok with porn beauties, but most failed and destroy their own beauties in plastic surgeries which supposed to make you look better, but worst!
I would fuck Nessa Devil in her prime just when she debuted without surgeries! With surgeries she looks horrible and now she is too old! She remind me of some FKK stunner, who begin as natural beauty, but destroy her beauties by industry temptation of plastic surgeries and too much enhanced tits like some of those Abdel girls did to themselves! Or some palace stunner who join as natural beauty, but after a year or two bang! Tits job, tattoo, lip job, nose job and Botox and beauties are gone! But some did ok with porn beauties, but most failed and destroy their own beauties in plastic surgeries which supposed to make you look better, but worst!I would rate Nessa devil 9 when she debuted, but look what she has done to her self with surgeries and it is exactly what I am always pointing out about stunner in FKK when she debuted in the industry and after one, two and three years etc with surgeries! This is some sad syndrome that is evident in porn, FKK industry, show bizz and also in our society nowadays, beauty destroying themselves with surgeries LOL! Look:
https://www.reddit.com/r/boltedontits/comments/1uq7l5/nessa_devil_making_progress/
Agreed regarding average Bulgarian build. Perhaps it's cultural but I've seen more athletic types from Bulgaria. Have you also noticed a difference in their style in bed? Specifically when they are on top.Except Andrea. Bu Sharks on 2014 who moved a bit at Oase becoming claimed Ukrainian, even with Katrin. Bu Oase, even with her new upturned nose, even I loved Aylice. Bu at Sharks, but I find more elegance for some Romanians who are also more for my love sex way than Bulgarians who are less sensual women, same like Germans. When normal clubs are Romania, AO clubs are mostly Bulgaria with bad teeth, misery for cheap 30, many Germans go for.
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