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I deliberately chose the fuzziest photo so the parties cannot be identified. The 10 I saw at Cap d'Agde is with her partner. I think the guy in the white towel was trying to organize a threesome. That is common there.
Eden hotel has its Californian vibe to it! It is nice, but 500 euro for those hotels, hmmm bit pricey for what it is. I will get something beach front though, so I can fuck on balcony facing the mother ocean LOL!If you stay at Eden, you get early access to the better location day-beds for the Eden and Babylon pool parties (orgies). We stayed at all kinds of hotels and apartments over the years, and now Eden is our first choice for Cap, though we usually mix it up with few nights ocean view rooms every year.
I could think of one girl that can do, but it is too risky for me to take non pro girl who is a friend because I got reputation to keep and I won't risk my secret life being revealed as contrary to when I am getting my ass licked in 180 degree upside position by some young stunner that I just met and paid 50 euro, I actually have solid reputation in my life LOL! So escort must be the option.
I am presentable guy and I am in good shape as I do exercise daily and work out twice per week, so even I take the escort who is natural stunner beauty, it won't look odd. Plus, except for some, quite many must be escort in those nudist resort.
I presume most people are nudists and some are bit hippy mindset people there in positive sense of words, but how are the security there in general? Can you fuck on beach at night and staff under moon light without getting jumped on by some freak? LOL.Security overall is great at Cap, but fucking at pigs beach at night could be risky as there are too many hungry single guys there and zero security guards at the beach in the night. All security guards and police are patrolling more crowded areas in the night. Bay of the pigs is best to enjoy in the day.
Looks like you're getting confused between sex with prostitutes and non-pros. Why would having sex, swinging or going to orgies with a non-pro friend, expose your mongering life to her? You're not paying your non-pro friend, nether are you bringing an escort when you are in Cap with her. You should be able to keep your mongering life totally isolated from your non-mongering life LOL.
Plus none of my friend would go and they would talk about it that I went crazy and asked to go to nudist resort LOL! Only escort would do LOL!
I can think of one girl that may do this, who is surfer lawyer who is a beauty from US living in Europe, but either way, she will talk about it LOL!Once you randomly meet your colleagues at a swingers club or shopping around in the village naked with their spouse or significant others, you will realize how many people have that kinky side in their lives LOL. You will also be surprised how many girls we all know has fetish for these things, you just need to approach the topic in a non-aggressive fun experience way. Like many says "whatever happens in Cap stays in Cap". Smart people actually keep it that way haha.
Once you randomly meet your colleagues at a swingers club or shopping around in the village naked with their spouse or significant others, you will realize how many people have that kinky side in their lives LOL. You will also be surprised how many girls we all know has fetish for these things, you just need to approach the topic in a non-aggressive fun experience way. Like many says "whatever happens in Cap stays in Cap". Smart people actually keep it that way haha.Right, most of my ex loved BDSM sex where I am the dominator, which I do not mind, but was not my fetish LOL! But these girls were top normal girls.
Also, now we talk about pro girls, I had so many stunner tutes when I was fucking them hardcore doggy, they slap their own ass to signal me to slap their ass LOL! So I do slap their ass like pierre woodman LOL! But spanking is not really my thing though LOL.
So yeah, pro or non pro, I know that many have these sides and hey like us LOL! No one know about my FKK or escort habits that I do, only three friends know about this.
Security overall is great at Cap, but fucking at pigs beach at night could be risky as there are too many hungry single guys there and zero security guards at the beach in the night. All security guards and police are patrolling more crowded areas in the night. Bay of the pigs is best to enjoy in the day.
Looks like you're getting confused between sex with prostitutes and non-pros. Why would having sex, swinging or going to orgies with a non-pro friend, expose your mongering life to her? You're not paying your non-pro friend, nether are you bringing an escort when you are in Cap with her. You should be able to keep your mongering life totally isolated from your non-mongering life LOL.Yeah, I know what you mean about it is secret of both side if I manage to convince one of my female friend to go, but still I know girls well and they talk like a walking speaker, so usually they tell their friends, who are also walking speakers, so it will be leaked for sure LOL! This is my mindset and I much prefer take stunner escort who are natural beauty because I am carefree and I can do what I want with her LOL!
If you stay at Eden, you get early access to the better location day-beds for the Eden and Babylon pool parties (orgies). We stayed at all kinds of hotels and apartments over the years, and now Eden is our first choice for Cap, though we usually mix it up with few nights ocean view rooms every year.I guess Babylon pool partites at Eden hotel? Well it sound like Eden it is for me then LOL!
When is the good season for more younger beauties? More peak season of July and August or more like September?
I imagine peak season have more stunners and open minded people as there are more people there.
More and more, it sound like interesting place!
Right, most of my ex loved BDSM sex where I am the dominator, which I do not mind, but was not my fetish LOL! But these girls were top normal girls.
Also, now we talk about pro girls, I had so many stunner tutes when I was fucking them hardcore doggy, they slap their own ass to signal me to slap their ass LOL! So I do slap their ass like pierre woodman LOL! But spanking is not really my thing though LOL.
So yeah, pro or non pro, I know that many have these sides and hey like us LOL! No one know about my FKK or escort habits that I do, only three friends know about this.This kind of stuff above can't be done in the USA or one will wind up in jail. Any bruise left on a girl is evidence of an attack if she files a report so I recommend to avoid the above.
I guess Babylon pool partites at Eden hotel? Well it sound like Eden it is for me then LOL!
When is the good season for more younger beauties? More peak season of July and August or more like September?
I imagine peak season have more stunners and open minded people as there are more people there.
More and more, it sound like interesting place!July-August when the whole Europe takes multi-weeks summer vacations, and all colleges are closed for Holidays.
July-August when the whole Europe takes multi-weeks summer vacations, and all colleges are closed for Holidays.Ah college girls, we all must swing for the fences LOL!
This kind of stuff above can't be done in the USA or one will wind up in jail. Any bruise left on a girl is evidence of an attack if she files a report so I recommend to avoid the above.Yes I saw, USA tend to go bit over the top with a lot of things and now with this sex staff, I agree to some extent, but some sound like it was set up! Well we can do that in Europe at FKK for 50 euro per 30 min LOL!
I always say, mongering is like an arbitrage, what is expensive in one side is cheaper on the other side LOL! It is true! But some guys are too blind to see it!
OK so I see a lot of people have been saying they are visiting the Frankfurt area and are wondering if it should be Sharks or Oase. I went to both last week end, here was my experience:
Sharks vs Oase.
Entrance area / price: equivalent. The staff is nice in both places.
Locker room: Oase. The locker room is a bit bigger and a little cleaner. Lockers are bigger as well.
Lounge: Sharks. The lounge is bigger is not as dark as Oase.
Overall club layout: Oase. They have this great rest room overlooking the pool, the indoor jacuzzi and restaurant are also perfectly placed with girls walking by all the time.
Outside: equivalent: both have a swimming pool and lounging chairs and an outdoor area to chill or have sex. Oase has a BBQ in summer, not sure about Sharks. The outdoor area at Oase is a little bigger.
Jaccuzzi: Oase. It's placed in the middle of the club. You can see all the beautiful naked girls walking around you. Perfect for in-between sessions or for choosing your next girl. At Sharks the Jacuzzi is in the corner of the top floor. You won't see anything except your own dick.
Number of girls: these days Sharks. There were around 80 girls there last week end versus 30 at Oase. I don't understand why.
Quality of girls: these days Sharks. With so many more girls you have also more stunners. Still I also had a good time at Oase with 2 amazingly gorgeous beauties.
Food: Oase. The pizza can rival any Italian restaurant, it's great. The buffet is equivalent.
Drinks: Oase. I never waited to get my drinks. Always great service. At Sharks you have to fight just for a glass of water. It can take 15 minutes. Not only I like to stay hydrated between sessions, but also I like drinks with my dinner and in the lounge. Very difficult at Sharks. This was a major turn-off for me.
Solicitation: Sharks. You can sit down in the lounge and not be solicitated too much. At Oase the girls will be all over you. That being said, some guys are able to sit in the lounge at Oase and have conversations and couch time with girls without the constant solicitation. If you are one of them, please tell me how you do it.
Covid safety: neither. They check the vaccination at the door, but inside no one is wearing a mask. At Sharks especially everyone is stuck against another and no one cares. With Oase operating at 30% capacity you can at least try to keep your distances. This way you are only exposed to the girl in the room (which isn't much better anyways.).
So these days if you are looking to spend the afternoon and take advantage of all the facilities, I would go more to Oase. If you want to go party in the evening only, I would say go to Sharks.
OK so I see a lot of people have been saying they are visiting the Frankfurt area and are wondering if it should be Sharks or Oase. I went to both last week end, here was my experience:
Sharks vs Oase.
Entrance area / price: equivalent. The staff is nice in both places.
Locker room: Oase. The locker room is a bit bigger and a little cleaner. Lockers are bigger as well.
Lounge: Sharks. The lounge is bigger is not as dark as Oase.
Overall club layout: Oase. They have this great rest room overlooking the pool, the indoor jacuzzi and restaurant are also perfectly placed with girls walking by all the time.
Outside: equivalent: both have a swimming pool and lounging chairs and an outdoor area to chill or have sex. Oase has a BBQ in summer, not sure about Sharks. The outdoor area at Oase is a little bigger.
Jaccuzzi: Oase. It's placed in the middle of the club. You can see all the beautiful naked girls walking around you. Perfect for in-between sessions or for choosing your next girl. At Sharks the Jacuzzi is in the corner of the top floor. You won't see anything except your own dick.
Number of girls: these days Sharks. There were around 80 girls there last week end versus 30 at Oase. I don't understand why.
Quality of girls: these days Sharks. With so many more girls you have also more stunners. Still I also had a good time at Oase with 2 amazingly gorgeous beauties.
Food: Oase. The pizza can rival any Italian restaurant, it's great. The buffet is equivalent.
Drinks: Oase. I never waited to get my drinks. Always great service. At Sharks you have to fight just for a glass of water. It can take 15 minutes. Not only I like to stay hydrated between sessions, but also I like drinks with my dinner and in the lounge. Very difficult at Sharks. This was a major turn-off for me.
Solicitation: Sharks. You can sit down in the lounge and not be solicitated too much. At Oase the girls will be all over you. That being said, some guys are able to sit in the lounge at Oase and have conversations and couch time with girls without the constant solicitation. If you are one of them, please tell me how you do it.
Covid safety: neither. They check the vaccination at the door, but inside no one is wearing a mask. At Sharks especially everyone is stuck against another and no one cares. With Oase operating at 30% capacity you can at least try to keep your distances. This way you are only exposed to the girl in the room (which isn't much better anyways.).
So these days if you are looking to spend the afternoon and take advantage of all the facilities, I would go more to Oase. If you want to go party in the evening only, I would say go to Sharks.Many thanks for a very well written and informative report. It answered a lot of questions I had. What is interesting is that when one reads the Mainhattan and Palace threads the reports are of good line ups and cheaper prices. Sirioja (who I consider to be a reliable reporter) did not find many attractive girls at Mainhattan but Arnold most certainly did and rated it far above Sharks. As ever there is only one real way to find out. Go! I am in the process of organising just that. My dilemma is that I have only three days but four clubs to visit! I suspect I will do Sharks, Oase and then start at Mainhattan final night but if it poor move to Palace (or vice versa). Given that final choice, I would be interested and most grateful if any senior member who has recently visited both Palace AND Mainhattan would provide a comparison. So I know where to start on that day! I normally have preferred Palace over Mainhattan but then don't love the lack of outdoor space there. The bar area is much better in Palace (since renovation) but I've generally found the line up better in Palace too. So would be grateful for any assistance. Thanks.
Many thanks for a very well written and informative report. It answered a lot of questions I had. What is interesting is that when one reads the Mainhattan and Palace threads the reports are of good line ups and cheaper prices. Sirioja (who I consider to be a reliable reporter) did not find many attractive girls at Mainhattan but Arnold most certainly did and rated it far above Sharks. As ever there is only one real way to find out. Go! I am in the process of organising just that. My dilemma is that I have only three days but four clubs to visit! I suspect I will do Sharks, Oase and then start at Mainhattan final night but if it poor move to Palace (or vice versa). Given that final choice, I would be interested and most grateful if any senior member who has recently visited both Palace AND Mainhattan would provide a comparison. So I know where to start on that day! I normally have preferred Palace over Mainhattan but then don't love the lack of outdoor space there. The bar area is much better in Palace (since renovation) but I've generally found the line up better in Palace too. So would be grateful for any assistance. Thanks.That's exactly how I do it when I place Mainhatten into the rotation. I will split time between Mainhatten and Palace, starting early with Mainhatten, then invariably leaving Mainhatten not having sessioned on the way to over Palace, where I invariably have a jolly good time! Things got to the point where I would skip Mainhatten altogether. Didn't feel I was missing anything. But if and when I do go again, Mainhatten does not get its own dedicated day!
OK so I see a lot of people have been saying they are visiting the Frankfurt area and are wondering if it should be Sharks or Oase. I went to both last week end, here was my experience:
Sharks vs Oase.
Entrance area / price: equivalent. The staff is nice in both places.
Locker room: Oase. The locker room is a bit bigger and a little cleaner. Lockers are bigger as well.
Lounge: Sharks. The lounge is bigger is not as dark as Oase.
Overall club layout: Oase. They have this great rest room overlooking the pool, the indoor jacuzzi and restaurant are also perfectly placed with girls walking by all the time.
Outside: equivalent: both have a swimming pool and lounging chairs and an outdoor area to chill or have sex. Oase has a BBQ in summer, not sure about Sharks. The outdoor area at Oase is a little bigger.
Jaccuzzi: Oase. It's placed in the middle of the club. You can see all the beautiful naked girls walking around you. Perfect for in-between sessions or for choosing your next girl. At Sharks the Jacuzzi is in the corner of the top floor. You won't see anything except your own dick...Do you still have to pay extra for that pizza? Coffee at oase is better too with the Italian touch!
So you reckon the line up is better at sharks than oase, but sharks always not let me down, but somehow it did not work with me. Oase, I will give another try as if I look back, the girls I had was good looking, but one had ok service in room, only bad service in my FKK history was at oase.
Many thanks for a very well written and informative report. It answered a lot of questions I had. What is interesting is that when one reads the Mainhattan and Palace threads the reports are of good line ups and cheaper prices. Sirioja (who I consider to be a reliable reporter) did not find many attractive girls at Mainhattan but Arnold most certainly did and rated it far above Sharks. As ever there is only one real way to find out. Go! I am in the process of organising just that. My dilemma is that I have only three days but four clubs to visit! I suspect I will do Sharks, Oase and then start at Mainhattan final night but if it poor move to Palace (or vice versa). Given that final choice, I would be interested and most grateful if any senior member who has recently visited both Palace AND Mainhattan would provide a comparison. So I know where to start on that day! I normally have preferred Palace over Mainhattan but then don't love the lack of outdoor space there. The bar area is much better in Palace (since renovation) but I've generally found the line up better in Palace too. So would be grateful for any assistance. Thanks.Sharks is far higher for looks than Oase and Mainhattan. Even some prettiest girls than at Globe. At Palace, can sometimes find a wow look like 185 supermodel Kelli who moved to Sharks for better business. Avia and Daisi. De did same. Oase new star is Iranian Shiva with Latina big ass. If You are tired, Oase and Mainhattan for 45 before 1 pm are good for resting.
Given that final choice, I would be interested and most grateful if any senior member who has recently visited both Palace AND Mainhattan would provide a comparison. So I know where to start on that day! I normally have preferred Palace over Mainhattan but then don't love the lack of outdoor space there. The bar area is much better in Palace (since renovation) but I've generally found the line up better in Palace too. So would be grateful for any assistance. Thanks.Palace is not a good place at the moment, particularly when it's DJ night and they play extremely loud music that you have to shout to girls. I have not been to Mainhattan lately, but if you need to stay in FRA area, it may seem a better choice. A guy even told me the new FKK Village in Reiskirchen is a nice place to visit.
Sharks is far higher for looks than Oase and Mainhattan. Even some prettiest girls than at Globe. At Palace, can sometimes find a wow look like 185 supermodel Kelli who moved to Sharks for better business. Avia and Daisi. De did same. Oase new star is Iranian Shiva with Latina big ass. If You are tired, Oase and Mainhattan for 45 before 1 pm are good for resting.I will go to Sharks for sure. Oase doesn't sound great with only 30 girls (why so low?) I don't like Latina big asses so I suspect Shiva won't be to my liking. I like the club so I'll try it but sounds like it could end up 2 of three days at Sharks. Will start there on a Friday. Saturday Oase / Mainhattan, Sunday either Palace or return to Sharks.
That's exactly how I do it when I place Mainhatten into the rotation. I will split time between Mainhatten and Palace, starting early with Mainhatten, then invariably leaving Mainhatten not having sessioned on the way to over Palace, where I invariably have a jolly good time! Things got to the point where I would skip Mainhatten altogether. Didn't feel I was missing anything. But if and when I do go again, Mainhatten does not get its own dedicated day!I do that in NRW, but never thought of doing that in Hessen I hear Mainhattan is not worth going though as lineup is not stunner as some of the girls at palace, is this accurate? Also world, I hear it has the best outdoor sex in summer, but I also heard the line up at the world is horrible.
So it leaves me only palace and Oase LOL Oase has one of those tent that is half outdoor feeling and some outdoor bed on the hill but that would attract freaky voyeur, so not my thing!
I will go to Sharks for sure. Oase doesn't sound great with only 30 girls (why so low?) I don't like Latina big asses so I suspect Shiva won't be to my liking. I like the club so I'll try it but sounds like it could end up 2 of three days at Sharks. Will start there on a Friday. Saturday Oase / Mainhattan, Sunday either Palace or return to Sharks.She will remind you Scandalo. Friday is good for Sharks, sultan of harem in the afternoon before Balkanians. Palace wake up only after 6/7 pm when opening at 5, Saturday for best. Only Sharks with entry 50 before 2 pm but almost full casting around 4 pm, or Oase on Sunday.
Palace is not a good place at the moment, particularly when it's DJ night and they play extremely loud music that you have to shout to girls. I have not been to Mainhattan lately, but if you need to stay in FRA area, it may seem a better choice. A guy even told me the new FKK Village in Reiskirchen is a nice place to visit.I never saw any point of the dj playing in FKK, it can be from auto play, then it is fine. The worst dj was in Goldentime, they used to let this teenage towel boy play dj and gosh it was loud and it was horrible, but the guy was so into his dj set and dancing and all that LOL! I think he was Polish.
I do that in NRW, but never thought of doing that in Hessen I hear Mainhattan is not worth going though as lineup is not stunner as some of the girls at palace, is this accurate? Also world, I hear it has the best outdoor sex in summer, but I also heard the line up at the world is horrible.
So it leaves me only palace and Oase LOL Oase has one of those tent that is half outdoor feeling and some outdoor bed on the hill but that would attract freaky voyeur, so not my thing!I hate that World has fallen off so badly. That used to be one of my favorite clubs with so many hot girls fucking! Will never forget blonde Chanel who was surprised that I took her in the ass twice in one night in two separate sessions. She said no other monger had ever done that before. I guess she had yet to meet a connoisseur such as myself. She had a poem written on one of her butt cheeks. Never knew what it said. Then one day, she altogether disappeared. Never to be seen again. Probably found a suitor. Now Mainhatten, my early visits to that club were decent. But, that was years ago. How I yearn for World to return to its glory days!
ExpatLover
09-23-21, 19:12
I do that in NRW, but never thought of doing that in Hessen I hear Mainhattan is not worth going though as lineup is not stunner as some of the girls at palace, is this accurate? Also world, I hear it has the best outdoor sex in summer, but I also heard the line up at the world is horrible.
So it leaves me only palace and Oase LOL Oase has one of those tent that is half outdoor feeling and some outdoor bed on the hill but that would attract freaky voyeur, so not my thing!If I understood well you are not vaccinated so it is better you stay in Japan, more and more restrictions for the none vaccinated in Europe. Nevertheless I can tell you that the LU in all the FKK and in escort are very poor so better to save your money or you are that hungry that you are able to control your libido like so many mongers on this forum.
I hate that World has fallen off so badly. That used to be one of my favorite clubs with so many hot girls fucking! Will never forget blonde Chanel who was surprised that I took her in the ass twice in one night in two separate sessions. She said no other monger had ever done that before. I guess she had yet to meet a connoisseur such as myself. She had a poem written on one of her butt cheeks. Never knew what it said. Then one day, she altogether disappeared. Never to be seen again. Probably found a suitor. Now Mainhatten, my early visits to that club were decent. But, that was years ago. How I yearn for World to return to its glory days!Gone with the wind is the beauty of FKK, you do the most dirty thing with the girl of your choice for one night or for few months or few years, then one day, they are gone with the wind forever, it is melancholic nice feeling sexually, not emotionally.
My opinion is that close to the city center upsell clubs tend have more stunners and tend to stay with stunner included line up throughout years because simply, more mongers, more tourists, more office workers, so more money in quantity as upsell is common in those clubs and more clients who are better.
Mainhattan is close to the city, but somehow I never went as I hear or I somehow fixed to my self that lineup is not good as palace. Am I accurate on my hunch?
If I understood well you are not vaccinated so it is better you stay in Japan, more and more restrictions for the none vaccinated in Europe. Nevertheless I can tell you that the LU in all the FKK and in escort are very poor so better to save your money or you are that hungry that you are able to control your libido like so many mongers on this forum.Nope, not vaccinated and try not to till something will push me to and it won't be FKK LOL! Yes, the line up and what you have to do to get to FKK sound very disturbing for me to travel that far and what for? For mediocre half service set up that the situation can only offer now?
It is all open here and I only went once this year and it may be the only one mongering this year LOL but I am satisfied with such an amazing result after months of looking for the stunner Eurasian and as for FKK, I am going to have to stay put till next year if the situation get better, if I emphasize LOL!
Once things are back to normal, there will be many hungry mongers at the passport control of German airports and Zurich airport LOL! FKK refugees LOL!
I hate that World has fallen off so badly. That used to be one of my favorite clubs with so many hot girls fucking! Will never forget blonde Chanel who was surprised that I took her in the ass twice in one night in two separate sessions. She said no other monger had ever done that before. I guess she had yet to meet a connoisseur such as myself. She had a poem written on one of her butt cheeks. Never knew what it said. Then one day, she altogether disappeared. Never to be seen again. Probably found a suitor. Now Mainhatten, my early visits to that club were decent. But, that was years ago. How I yearn for World to return to its glory days!I was told around 100 girls on Saturdays nights at World on 2010/2011. At this time, World was number 1, no Sharks which started to grow on 2013/2014. I didn't know World at this time but I spent 9 days on 3 week ends for 11th birthday on end of May / beginning of June 2014, having same 3 girls daily and always in same order for rooms and even added Emanuela on last week end for fourth room of the day. Then visited weekly for 1 year. Best garden. Legendary Kate started at World, discovering her at Sharks, I followed her at Globe.
PinballMachine
09-24-21, 06:43
I Will never forget blonde Chanel who was surprised that I took her in the ass twice in one night in two separate sessions.No wonder she quit!
If I understood well you are not vaccinated so it is better you stay in Japan, more and more restrictions for the none vaccinated in Europe. Nevertheless I can tell you that the LU in all the FKK and in escort are very poor so better to save your money or you are that hungry that you are able to control your libido like so many mongers on this forum.Which clubs did you really visit on this year to tell about casting? PCR may not help in NRW, but I had 8 1 hour rooms with a fresh, full natural supermodel at Sharks who was a bit upset when I decided to take a 3 weeks break not to go with her, I could have more than 10 rooms with her since her arrival on 9 July. If one worked more often, would have been my pleasure to have 6 100/60 rooms with her also at Sharks when had only 3 since end of July. Can still find pretty girls in FKK land. Found Klara at Prestige Neunkirchen, prettier than star Charlotte. Melina is pretty at Finca, didn't go with her only because telling not kissing. I could go with many looks at Wellcum but after Kelli and Lexi, I preferred to give up not to waste my money with small pussies I couldn't full enter, but Lea. Bu was good when I returned after Zoncolan Sutrio side. I only agree about disappointing casting at Globe now, even I enjoyed twice with very fresh full natural Swiss Adriana. Not so bad for me on this year when I still enjoyed some beauties when I really visit.
In planning for my next trip to "Germongery", I have a very good idea of what cities and clubs I want to visit, with the exception of in the Dusseldorf area. So, looking for feedback and / or input from experienced Dusseldorf mongers regarding "must-see" clubs in and around that city. I am aware of all of the "majors" in the area, but looking for some impressions from those with experience. Thanks in advance.
Covid safety: neither. They check the vaccination at the door, but inside no one is wearing a mask. At Sharks especially everyone is stuck against another and no one cares. With Oase operating at 30% capacity you can at least try to keep your distances. This way you are only exposed to the girl in the room (which isn't much better anyways.).
It's good to hear that things are getting back to normal. Glad that no one is wearing mask, and nor should that be enforced. That's the way FKK used to be, should be, and will always be. Since everyone is already vaccinated (to get in), what the fuck is wearing the mask for? I'm glad no one cares, nor should every one in the club. Keeping your distances? For what? The fear of getting Covid is so irrational, illogical, and just fucking nuts. I think I'm ready partying stuck against one another in the crowd again and getting back to the game. Life goes on.
It's good to hear that things are getting back to normal. Glad that no one is wearing mask, and nor should that be enforced. That's the way FKK used to be, should be, and will always be. Since everyone is already vaccinated (to get in), what the fuck is wearing the mask for? I'm glad no one cares, nor should every one in the club. Keeping your distances? For what? The fear of getting Covid is so irrational, illogical, and just fucking nuts. I think I'm ready partying stuck against one another in the crowd again and getting back to the game. Life goes on.Samya and Sharks staff ask to put on mask when moving in club. Except this, not much changed for me and I m even lucky at Sharks when I was not much after Megan left on beginning of 2017.
No wonder she quit!She's the one who approached me and asked to be butt fucked the first time around. And she happily went along the second time. So wasn't like she was complaining.
In planning for my next trip to "Germongery", I have a very good idea of what cities and clubs I want to visit, with the exception of in the Dusseldorf area. So, looking for feedback and / or input from experienced Dusseldorf mongers regarding "must-see" clubs in and around that city. I am aware of all of the "majors" in the area, but looking for some impressions from those with experience. Thanks in advance.The landscape may change as I read that Goldentime is bought by the owner of oceans, if so, it may turn into upsell clubs and line up may change, I think for better as oceans has similar to Artemis line up, but smaller, 95% ugly, but 5% can be stunner. Less anal sex going in duss region I think as line up is younger in general, they tend to be more teenage look line up there in duss, it is best to combine Frankfurt clubs and duss clubs as it is very close with ice train. To your anal days LOL!
No wonder she quit!Mongers are allowed to anal fuck girls in FKK many time as we want to as long as girls agree and most girls quit after few years anyways due to they reach their limit or money they wanted make or found better option like stupid sugar daddy found in FKK or family or boyfriend found out, but in most cases their boyfrends and family kind of sense or know what these girls are doing in Germany because working in event company or restaurant do not make such an amount of money, but taking strangers dick in her mouth, pussy or anal twice per night do LOL! It is her choice and our choice what to do in FKK including putting penis into same girls anal twice within few hours LOL! Oh these girls love these pain in the ass LOL! And we too love it too LOL! It is true synergy effect through anal LOL! Anal communication LOL! Double Anal communication LOL!
She's the one who approached me and asked to be butt fucked the first time around. And she happily went along the second time. So wasn't like she was complaining.Once they clean their Ausfhart by enema out it is then in their best interest do as many anal sessions as possible in order to be more efficient.
Samya and Sharks staff ask to put on mask when moving in club. Except this, not much changed for me and I m even lucky at Sharks when I was not much after Megan left on beginning of 2017.Funny at Sharks, staff running after Balkanians to ask to put on mask, not easy to get for staff. At Samya, Turkish don't try to chat about when staff ask them.
Once they clean their Ausfhart by enema out it is then in their best interest do as many anal sessions as possible in order to be more efficient.200 CHF extra at Globe and no girl never proposed me.
For Anal sex lover, NRW is 50 euro if it stay the same after new owner at GT and LR, so those two maybe the place price wise, but quality of lineup is bit down for those two clubs, but still do find good ones some times LOL!
Once they clean their Ausfhart by enema out it is then in their best interest do as many anal sessions as possible in order to be more efficient.It is incredible how many dicks these girls pussies, mouth / jaws and ass can take!
Tokyo has most numbers of Michelin stars for like 10 consecutive years in a row, then of course Paris and I take my hat off for sophisticated part of French people for such rating.
But for me, I rate German as highest Michelin rating for gourmet because I love eating German beautiful stunners among other international stunners beautiful body, ass, pussy, mouth etc LOL! Germany offer the best international cuisine for real connoisseur that only few knows about LOL! Oh I had the finest dining experiences at this food chain called German FKK LOL!
In planning for my next trip to "Germongery", I have a very good idea of what cities and clubs I want to visit, with the exception of in the Dusseldorf area. So, looking for feedback and / or input from experienced Dusseldorf mongers regarding "must-see" clubs in and around that city. I am aware of all of the "majors" in the area, but looking for some impressions from those with experience. Thanks in advance.Somebody has got to have some useful intel and impressions about the Dusseldorf clubs.
Some of you guys are a piece of work. I mean really! What do you really know about it? Don't know what I ever did to rub you wrong hommes! I report it the way it went down.There are those who criticize others because it make them thinks they are the good guys in the brothel called FKK where you put penis into girls mouth by changing their will for 30 min by paying 50 euro per 30 min LOL! But some mongers are so mentally gone that they think they are getting sex in FKK because of their good manner or good behavior, but in reality, we mongers are all in same cave doing same shit as others LOL!
One has to fuck like Pierre woodman in FKK, go hard on anal, go hard LOL! True mongers are anal ripper like the jack the ripper, go stretch that anal of beautiful girls LOL! More of them are better LOL!
Basically, these mongers who complain and moan are what I call Vegetarian mongers or Vegan mongers, we are more like hunter mongers LOL! We are the international flying prostitute hunters LOL! The anal stretchers LOL The anal rippers LOL! And I am the pioneer of sitting on stunners girls face with my ass crack wide open and make them lick and put their tongue in my anal LOL! This is what I call divine position LOL!
Somebody has got to have some useful intel and impressions about the Dusseldorf clubs.Nobody can because there are only LR, GT and Oceans as main clubs in Duss area (cologne you know them), but thing is that GT and LR is closed at the moment, and there is rumor that they were at last GT was bought by Oceans owner. So only thing people can tell you is Oceans club, just don't goto oceans before 5 pm, line up is not slim, but slimmest in all the clubs I went in oceans before 5 pm! Like 10 girls max level.
Since we do not know how GT or LR will turn out with new owner if they ever reopen, I would risk hedge and combine duss trip with frankfurt with ICE train, it is like 1.5 . Hour or 2 hours train ride and since you stay by hotels near HBF. It is easy trip for you and book tickets on internet in advance can get you amazing deals for under 100 euro easy return!
Happy hunting in 2022 and until then you can dream and make good use of your right hand LOL! We are all in gutter, but some of us are looking at stars LOL! IF things are back to near normal in 2022 this is LOL!
Somebody has got to have some useful intel and impressions about the Dusseldorf clubs.I reported on several clubs that I visited at the start of September, Acapulco Gold seems to be the only FKK that has many girls during the day, there was one stunner there that was would be grabbed by a new customer every 30 minutes, prices are still €40 per session. I found Prime and Penelope to be dead during the day with few girls, more would start showing up in the evening. I spent five days there before I moved on to Frankfurt and then Cologne.
Somebody has got to have some useful intel and impressions about the Dusseldorf clubs.In other forums people seem to have been impressed by the LU at Babylon in Elsdorf. If I was near Cologne or Duss, I would pay a visit there. Happy hunting!
BigBuddy69
09-27-21, 10:00
The only club in nrw with rather decent prices and enough girls is Acapulco gold indeed. Prime ex aca velbert is mostly a desert now. GT and LR are closed. Phg is an up sell feast. Rheingold is depleted. If you're OK to drive, 6 sens has a good number of girls.
And any recent updates from anybody on Dolce Vita, Planet Happy Garden, and Magnum? Again, much appreciated! By the way, isn't "Prime" the new name for Acapulco? Also, I have never heard of "Penelope" (strange name for a club).
Somebody has got to have some useful intel and impressions about the Dusseldorf clubs.I don t care about others experience when I make my own, from a different guy, way. Cheap Gold, Samya, maybe sauna club Venus, not RTC, and Magnum and PHG at night, when PHG entry is 40 before 4 pm. Also 6 ens NL not far.
And any recent updates from anybody on Dolce Vita, Planet Happy Garden, and Magnum? Again, much appreciated! By the way, isn't "Prime" the new name for Acapulco? Also, I have never heard of "Penelope" (strange name for a club).You might as well add SixSense to your list since no one seems to mention that club lately. No one goes there any more? Is it still open?
You might as well add SixSense to your list since no one seems to mention that club lately. No one goes there any more? Is it still open?Yes 6 ens is open and some regulars there tell better than Sharks they don t visit. When I will finish my sport tour, I will go to give a look to compare 2 Vanquish I enjoyed on this Summer, 1 for her fresh natural beauty, 1 for her natural elegance, when I remember Prius looks at 6 ens. 1 Nobel award spent 290€ on a day for RTC girls, when I spend around 300 for my 2 beauties, prettier than at Globe, at Sharks. Different leagues for level.
In other forums people seem to have been impressed by the LU at Babylon in Elsdorf. If I was near Cologne or Duss, I would pay a visit there. Happy hunting!I've done the clubs in the Cologne area before. They were OK, but the scene was not good enough to make me want to go back. Only Dusseldorf and Augsburg (easy to figure out) are left for me as less than fully explored territories in Germany.
BigBuddy69
09-27-21, 17:46
And any recent updates from anybody on Dolce Vita, Planet Happy Garden, and Magnum? Again, much appreciated! By the way, isn't "Prime" the new name for Acapulco? Also, I have never heard of "Penelope" (strange name for a club).Prime is the new name for Acapulco Velbert. 15 girls on a Saturday evening. Penelope is rather far away, it as the same owners as Acapulco Gold. Magnum, PHG, DV: no idea.
Saunaclub Venus (in Hamminkeln, not the RTC from Duisburg= is a nice place with a few hot girls but I don't think that lot of them provide anal.
Prime is the new name for Acapulco Velbert. 15 girls on a Saturday evening. Penelope is rather far away, it as the same owners as Acapulco Gold. Magnum, PHG, DV: no idea.
Saunaclub Venus (in Hamminkeln, not the RTC from Duisburg= is a nice place with a few hot girls but I don't think that lot of them provide anal.It sound like there are other owner changes to other FKK clubs? GT and LR may change the name too and in case of LR being raided so frequently by police for whatever reasons before, new owner if there is any may not reopen it or Ocean owner has more contact in police or fed to sort out the problem LR seemed to have before? Many dark things going on behind FKK industry isn't it or at least grey thing, but we mongers thrive colorfully in grey side of the ecosystem LOL!
Watching are Kelly news here and man LOL! How US media write about this case is over the top calling him the worst Predator the fed ever hunted it said LOL! Hunted LOL!
Mongers are prostitute hunters, but there seems to be hunters who are out there to hunt us prostitute hunters LOL I understood about under age part, but US is making their society like Saudi Araba level, but with Jesus, meaning you cannot just fuck in USA like we are doing in Germany LOL!
All these guys had to do is to fly to Germany and fuck 18 years old and little before, 16 years old was legal in brothel in Switzerland too! Or they can go to eastern Europe to fuck 18 years old! Or there are many other choices in south America too or Asia as long as they use bit of their money and fly! But they stayed in USA and did this and boom, they pay life grave price for their action!
Man! I thought are Kelly could fly like his song I believe I can fly and touch the sky, but he did not and look what he got LOL! USA is becoming scary place if you want to have good sex life like we are having! At least weed is legalized there, but all this sex things in USA is only true in movie, but in reality it is almost Saudi Arabia level, but with different religion and belief, but same in practice LOL!
Saudi Arabia has more freedom that the USA. At least the Saudis can have four wives and they have to obey the husband. Plus they have fully automatic weapons which are banned in the USA. And they have cheaper gas prices in Saudi and also nicer cars there too.
Watching are Kelly news here and man LOL! How US media write about this case is over the top calling him the worst Predator the fed ever hunted it said LOL! Hunted LOL!
Mongers are prostitute hunters, but there seems to be hunters who are out there to hunt us prostitute hunters LOL I understood about under age part, but US is making their society like Saudi Araba level, but with Jesus, meaning you cannot just fuck in USA like we are doing in Germany LOL!
All these guys had to do is to fly to Germany and fuck 18 years old and little before, 16 years old was legal in brothel in Switzerland too! Or they can go to eastern Europe to fuck 18 years old! Or there are many other choices in south America too or Asia as long as they use bit of their money and fly! But they stayed in USA and did this and boom, they pay life grave price for their action!
Man! I thought are Kelly could fly like his song I believe I can fly and touch the sky, but he did not and look what he got LOL! USA is becoming scary place if you want to have good sex life like we are having! At least weed is legalized there, but all this sex things in USA is only true in movie, but in reality it is almost Saudi Arabia level, but with different religion and belief, but same in practice LOL!
Saudi Arabia has more freedom that the USA. At least the Saudis can have four wives and they have to obey the husband. Plus they have fully automatic weapons which are banned in the USA. And they have cheaper gas prices in Saudi and also nicer cars there too.So, perhaps you would like to relocate to that wonderfully liberal and open country of Saudi Arabia then?
Saudi Arabia has more freedom that the USA. At least the Saudis can have four wives and they have to obey the husband. Plus they have fully automatic weapons which are banned in the USA. And they have cheaper gas prices in Saudi and also nicer cars there too.Right on maybe LOL, but things in USA is going bit too far with this women thing LOL! Radicals! But monger believed we can fly and we did and it served us well for my fellow USA mongers and I am glad for you guys LOL!
Now! Administrator, I wrote are Kelly, are kelly is a are and be singer and please as usual you edit my post always wrongly and changed are Kelly to Are kelly! Please administrator, when you edit my posts, edit it correctly because every time you change the whole meaning of my posts by this false editing like in some communist country! It is are Kelly with are and if you do not know, please google it, he is an african american singer who is very talented in late 90's and early 2000's. You may like his songs. It is not like I am a fan of are Kelly, but I did listen to his song back then! He is another of many talented African American singer. And all he had do was to fly to Europe or eastern Europe like his hit song I believe I can fly, but he himself did not fly to monger and look what happened to him!
Smoke Light
09-28-21, 03:02
I've done the clubs in the Cologne area before. They were OK, but the scene was not good enough to make me want to go back. Only Dusseldorf and Augsburg (easy to figure out) are left for me as less than fully explored territories in Germany.Every day Samya LU is very beautiful. Today 30+ girls, weekend was easily 60+. Besides weekends, today, the worst day, Monday, and LU was perfect and the girls were just sitting on their asses (instead of being properly butt fucked) with almost no business. Lots of young guys in their 20's and early 30's and mostly getting seriously drunk and dancing, perhaps doing 1-2 rooms per night. For heavens sake, when I was young their age I could finish 8 times in a day. Mr. Cane, you should give Samya a try. Unfortunately I cannot speak about specific girls and their levels of service, because I don't talk to many of them simply because my all-time favorite (PM me for her name because she will kill me if I say it in the open, the little ho reads this forum), so she is working and I make many many very very happy rooms with her. Biggest problem is loud music, I constantly plug my ears with cotton balls, which are working better than regular ear plugs. Last but not least this past week there was some messe in Koln so mgmt brought 10 or so girls from Mondial, all good looking WGs if you know what I mean.
So, perhaps you would like to relocate to that wonderfully liberal and open country of Saudi Arabia then?Most liberal one must be Brazil, prostitution is legal, set up nice format and other things you can buy with money to great extent as it is corrupt LOL! You don't get safety everywhere though!
Right on maybe LOL, but things in USA is going bit too far with this women thing LOL! Radicals! But monger believed we can fly and we did and it served us well for my fellow USA mongers and I am glad for you guys LOL!
Now! Administrator, I wrote are Kelly, are kelly is a are and be singer and please as usual you edit my post always wrongly and changed are Kelly to Are kelly! Please administrator, when you edit my posts, edit it correctly because every time you change the whole meaning of my posts by this false editing like in some communist country! It is are Kelly with are and if you do not know, please google it, he is an african american singer who is very talented in late 90's and early 2000's. You may like his songs. It is not like I am a fan of are Kelly, but I did listen to his song back then! He is another of many talented African American singer. And all he had do was to fly to Europe or eastern Europe like his hit song I believe I can fly, but he himself did not fly to monger and look what happened to him!Don't forget other political prisoners such as Bill see. (now released), Harvey W, and the famous porn actor Ron J. There is a witch hunt in the USA for men who have sex with too many. The powers that be want men with high sex drives to be put down. This is also why they add estrogenic components to the food supply and genetically engineered foods and additives.
And any recent updates from anybody on Dolce Vita, Planet Happy Garden, and Magnum? Again, much appreciated! By the way, isn't "Prime" the new name for Acapulco? Also, I have never heard of "Penelope" (strange name for a club).Prime is the former Acapulco in Velbert, it's been taken over by the owners of Magnum and so far very quiet during the day. Penelope is the former Great Palace in Castrop Rauxel.
Prime is the former Acapulco in Velbert, it's been taken over by the owners of Magnum and so far very quiet during the day. Penelope is the former Great Palace in Castrop Rauxel.AFAIK by the owners of Salome, not Magnum. Are you sure?
TallDarkUsa
09-28-21, 12:18
Hi,
American currently living in France but will travel to Germany to try FKK Clubs for the first time. Since it will be my first time in Germany and also visiting a club. What city and clubs would you recommend for newbies. Also what should I expect rate wise with the ladies. I know you can always negotiate but I like to somewhat budget ahead of time. All info is appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Don't forget other political prisoners such as Bill see. (now released), Harvey W, and the famous porn actor Ron J. There is a witch hunt in the USA for men who have sex with too many. The powers that be want men with high sex drives to be put down. This is also why they add estrogenic components to the food supply and genetically engineered foods and additives.I put it in the mental framework of the female imperative versus the male imperative from the book The Rational Male. I'm not disagreeing with you. It is just an added dimension. You are right about it being political IMHO.
Don't forget other political prisoners such as Bill see. (now released), Harvey W, and the famous porn actor Ron J. There is a witch hunt in the USA for men who have sex with too many. The powers that be want men with high sex drives to be put down. This is also why they add estrogenic components to the food supply and genetically engineered foods and additives.Ok, how about this, I admit that some of these guys pushed it bit too far, but what I am pointing out is how mass media are writing about this and also what some of these lawyers and politicians and commentators are saying LOL! It is not liberal what so ever at all LOL! Someone once kept on mentioning sex prison USA, but there are some truth in it and also many society is like that!
Even Germany, as free as it actually is, these mindset is engraved deep in society and it shows up sometimes like when Artemis boss was arrested few years ago, the way media was writing about Artemis is so untrue, but public will read this and believe this LOL! Media was saying that Artemis is biker gang hang out with many girls forced to work against their will with sex trafficking style manner with drugs in the club etc LOL! I know there are some girls who are pimped and some drugs are there, but not in the manner the media wrote about it and it is not Artemis who is operating in such ways, but these bad intention of society is engraved in every society and it comes up in the time like that. So we mongers are hidden kind, keep moving effortlessly fucking stunner girls without anyone knowing LOL!
SmokeLigh,
I used to do minimum 5 rooms with all cum and sometimes even 7 rooms with all cum, that was in early 2010's when I was in my early 30's, now that I am in my 40's, I can do 3 rooms with all cum then I need some booster from 4th room LOL! Or I just do 3 good rooms and go back to hotel, but I somehow have this mindset that I need to fuck more so I often take booster pill from 4th room and repeat the stunners that I just session with as there usually are now only 1 to max 3 stunners in the clubs, mostly just 1 stunner LOL!
AFAIK by the owners of Salome, not Magnum. Are you sure?You are right. And the former Acapulco owners now operate Penelope.
This prosecutor is talking about us beside it is not under age and our beautiful stunning girls are voice-full demanding 150 euro per hour or even 200 euro per hour sometimes LOL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYZ9IAgAqO4
R Kelly should have kept it 18 and just fly like his song I believe I can fly because clearly he did not fly LOL!
AFAIK by the owners of Salome, not Magnum. Are you sure?You are the first to say that it was Salome, I've read here and elsewhere that it's Magnum.
You are the first to say that it was Salome, I've read here and elsewhere that it's Magnum.I don't think Prime ex Acapulco have something to do with Magnum / PHG when Vanila was their brother. Isn't Prime with Castrop Rauxel ex Great Palace? Gold was with another club: Penelope? Ex masseuse Anais dancing there.
BigBuddy69
09-29-21, 10:01
You are the first to say that it was Salome, I've read here and elsewhere that it's Magnum.I also think it's Salome.
Jimmy Boy 99
09-29-21, 15:10
Don't forget other political prisoners such as Bill see. (now released), Harvey W, and the famous porn actor Ron J. There is a witch hunt in the USA for men who have sex with too many. The powers that be want men with high sex drives to be put down. This is also why they add estrogenic components to the food supply and genetically engineered foods and additives.Isn't the issue with ones you named how they got the sex rather than the amount of sex they got?
Isn't the issue with ones you named how they got the sex rather than the amount of sex they got?In the United States it's about both how and how much. Believe this. Enjoy having "too much" sex, and you're automatically branded a "sex addict!"
Smoke Light
09-29-21, 16:32
SmokeLigh,
I used to do minimum 5 rooms with all cum and sometimes even 7 rooms with all cum, that was in early 2010's when I was in my early 30's, now that I am in my 40's, I can do 3 rooms with all cum then I need some booster from 4th room LOL! Or I just do 3 good rooms and go back to hotel, but I somehow have this mindset that I need to fuck more so I often take booster pill from 4th room and repeat the stunners that I just session with as there usually are now only 1 to max 3 stunners in the clubs, mostly just 1 stunner LOL!As they say: the best fuck is always the next one! Cheers.
Isn't the issue with ones you named how they got the sex rather than the amount of sex they got?The "how" is merely a pretext for too much. The prosecutions in the USA can cover 10 to 20 years previous infractions well after a person forgot about what even happened 20 years years ago.
Most are based off of money extortion and / or random allegation of someone decades after. Thus nobody is really safe and all sex should be minimized or reduced to be safe. Rather than go after dangerous criminals such as those committing armed robberies or dangerous attacks, the government of the USA goes after easy prosecutions wherein the defendants are demonized and a crime is fabricated to fit the needs of the government.
SmokeLigh,
I used to do minimum 5 rooms with all cum and sometimes even 7 rooms with all cum, that was in early 2010's when I was in my early 30's, now that I am in my 40's, I can do 3 rooms with all cum then I need some booster from 4th room LOL! Or I just do 3 good rooms and go back to hotel, but I somehow have this mindset that I need to fuck more so I often take booster pill from 4th room and repeat the stunners that I just session with as there usually are now only 1 to max 3 stunners in the clubs, mostly just 1 stunner LOL!I could and would do more rooms a day if I saw enough tutes that I liked each day. The thing is that over the years my standards have gotten higher and higher to the point that I'm lucky to see as many as three girls in a day that I want. So these days, I'm happy to session anywhere from 1 to 3 times a day, depending on what I find. That's enough to keep me happy, and I spend less money too. When I first started mongering (in Latin America) I used to show up and slam fuck 7 or 8 tutes on the first night. And nut in every last single one of them too LOL! I don't have that "thirst" any more. These tutes have to be of a higher standard to give me a boner now hahaha!
I also think it's Salome.Back when Acapulco was changing ownership and was closed for several months (prior to covid closures), the Acapulco website redirected to the Salome website.
Penelope (old Great Palace) is operated by the same former Acapulco and Acapulco Gold guys. A couple of years ago, the Acapulco counter would have flyers / cards for both AG and Penelope. Their email newsletter even promoted the sister clubs. They even took the old white couches from the original Acapulco. Many same staff members, same soda machines, same espresso machines, same plastic cups.
I could and would do more rooms a day if I saw enough tutes that I liked each day. The thing is that over the years my standards have gotten higher and higher to the point that I'm lucky to see as many as three girls in a day that I want. So these days, I'm happy to session anywhere from 1 to 3 times a day, depending on what I find. That's enough to keep me happy, and I spend less money too. When I first started mongering (in Latin America) I used to show up and slam fuck 7 or 8 tutes on the first night. And nut in every last single one of them too LOL! I don't have that "thirst" any more. These tutes have to be of a higher standard to give me a boner now hahaha!I do at least two rooms as in if I do not see any other stunner, I just repeat the room with the stunner I just sessioned with. There has been some times I left clubs without room namely GT Bruggen to go to LR then ended up in oceans to find just one stunner in three clubs I went in one day LOL!! So I feel you about the standard going higher and higher! It is a good thing, I always had higher standard, but keep on putting the hurdle higher because we can LOL!
We are lucky and I am grateful for the opportunity life has given to me without going to jail like some guys who did not fly LOL!
As they say: the best fuck is always the next one! Cheers.Yeah, it is never enough, but when I used to do 5 to 7 rooms per day all with cum with different stunners that used to be around a lot in early 2010's in FKK, I had enough after 5th or 7th room that I did not want to see pussies anymore, till the next morning LOL! I used to do this 10 to max 14 days every day FKK LOL! It was my golden era, but now 2 to 3 rooms of one hour each amazing session is good!
Back when Acapulco was changing ownership and was closed for several months (prior to covid closures), the Acapulco website redirected to the Salome website.
Penelope (old Great Palace) is operated by the same former Acapulco and Acapulco Gold guys. A couple of years ago, the Acapulco counter would have flyers / cards for both AG and Penelope. Their email newsletter even promoted the sister clubs. They even took the old white couches from the original Acapulco. Many same staff members, same soda machines, same espresso machines, same plastic cups.Clubs change owner quite a bit! Artemis' Kennan brothers lasting long even survive the raid and false arrest LOL and also pandemic it seems LOL! Go Kennan LOL!
Don't forget other political prisoners such as Bill see. (now released), Harvey W, and the famous porn actor Ron J. There is a witch hunt in the USA for men who have sex with too many. The powers that be want men with high sex drives to be put down. This is also why they add estrogenic components to the food supply and genetically engineered foods and additives.The US is run by the religious right who are a bunch of perverts and pedophiles and worse. They want the people to believe that they are moral so they persecute men who have lots of sex with consenting women. They hate these men because they are unable to have normal sex.
The US is run by the religious right who are a bunch of perverts and pedophiles and worse. They want the people to believe that they are moral so they persecute men who have lots of sex with consenting women. They hate these men because they are unable to have normal sex.Secret mongering world is run by serious serial mongers, who are pervert and enabled their dreams come true for 50 euro per 30 min LOL We are 50 euro kinda legal guys LOL!
I read that 76.6 % of Venezuelan people are under poverty line due to pandemic lock down and its related effect, which means girls will seek for income somewhere and one lucrative choice is tuting somewhere. Now, in FKK, I met a gorgeous stunner from Venezuela that turned out to be from Argentina, but wow she was so stunner and so good in bed, extremely wild girl she was that cannot be forgotten!
Let us see if Venezuelan can get to FKK after corona pandemic! Year 2022 and on are looking good for us flying mongers LOL! I expect good line up for next at least 5 years staring from 2022 or 2023 LOL!
Have to be registered since 2018 to work in Germany. Out of EU just fallen from the plane can t, except from EU colonies. Reason why also no more real Ukrainians nor Russians fallen from tupolev. But still few fresh lovely enjoyable beauties.
I remember Gabriella from Venezuela who was at Oase and later Artemis. She was really good. Who knows if she really was from Venezuela but she wasn't Romanian at least.
I read that 76.6 % of Venezuelan people are under poverty line due to pandemic lock down and its related effect, which means girls will seek for income somewhere and one lucrative choice is tuting somewhere. Now, in FKK, I met a gorgeous stunner from Venezuela that turned out to be from Argentina, but wow she was so stunner and so good in bed, extremely wild girl she was that cannot be forgotten!
Let us see if Venezuelan can get to FKK after corona pandemic! Year 2022 and on are looking good for us flying mongers LOL! I expect good line up for next at least 5 years staring from 2022 or 2023 LOL!
To those who have come from USA recently.
According to what this website.
https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de/#/5.
People flying in from United States will need to do digital registration before your fly time. I am confused and have some questions.
1) It asks me to provide address in Germany, Can I just use my hotel address then?
2) With me being fully vaccinated, I do not need to be self quarantine for 10 days, right?
3) Do I get pdf file or QR code once I submitted this digital registration form?
Thank you for your advise.
Smoke Light
10-05-21, 03:12
1) It asks me to provide address in Germany, Can I just use my hotel address then?
Exactly. Put down the address where you are staying in Germany.
2) With me being fully vaccinated, I do not need to be self quarantine for 10 days, right?
At the end of the questionnaire, there will be an option to upload the proof of your vaccination, like American CDC card. So do this before entering the data: take a photo of the front and back of your CDC card, and upload the images at the end. Once you get confirmation from the website that your vaccine proof has uploaded successfully, that's it, no need to quarantine.
3) Do I get pdf file or QR code once I submitted this digital registration form?
They give you the link to download a pdf file which contains your name, DOB, link to the vaccination proof that you have uploaded, QR code, and the bar code. To access vaccination proof you also need a PIN (instructions are included in PDF) which they send to your email or your phone via SMS. Since you must verify your phone anyways at the beginning of your data entry, I don't see a reason to use email. But don't lose the PIN, best to maybe write it down somewhere and always have it with you.
In reality, you don't need any of this unless you run into some serious situation like police razzia. Your airline will ask for the PDF file you downloaded in step 3 and that's where it all gets checked, nothing else. That's my experience in September.
TankTank123
10-05-21, 03:48
I remember Gabriella from Venezuela who was at Oase and later Artemis. She was really good. Who knows if she really was from Venezuela but she wasn't Romanian at least.It was around 2011 when I had sessions with Gabriella. She was quite popular and I often had to wait a long time for her to be free. To me, she was really pretty, had fantastic tits and butt, and a very attractive personality. Unfortunately, I did not know she went to Artemis, or I would have gone there to hunt for her.
Those were the days when all my regulars at Oase were not Romanian. They were Swiss Michelle, German Tessa, Hungarian Heidi, Czech Elizabeth and Polish Alicia. 2 years later, they were all gone and only Romanians were available.
I remember Gabriella from Venezuela who was at Oase and later Artemis. She was really good. Who knows if she really was from Venezuela but she wasn't Romanian at least.I got to know mine was Argentinian and not Venezuelan as she said because the manager slipped her mouth and told me when I asked where is Chloe, and she said the Argentinian girl? LOL!
1) It asks me to provide address in Germany, Can I just use my hotel address then?Yes.
2) With me being fully vaccinated, I do not need to be self quarantine for 10 days, right?You don't need to quarantine if you have been vaccinated more than 14 days before your arrival date.
3) Do I get pdf file or QR code once I submitted this digital registration form?I did receive an email (in German from the Landkreis, not the state or national government) acknowledging receipt after I registered warning me of the consequences of not going into quarantine but after reading down, I saw that this applied only if I had not been vaccinated.
I did not travel from the USA but the requirements are the same.
It was around 2011 when I had sessions with Gabriella. She was quite popular and I often had to wait a long time for her to be free. To me, she was really pretty, had fantastic tits and butt, and a very attractive personality. Unfortunately, I did not know she went to Artemis, or I would have gone there to hunt for her.
Those were the days when all my regulars at Oase were not Romanian. They were Swiss Michelle, German Tessa, Hungarian Heidi, Czech Elizabeth and Polish Alicia. 2 years later, they were all gone and only Romanians were available.Man those were really the days. I visited FKKs for four years before I had my first Romanian. Prior to around 2012 Romanians had a reputation for poor service to the extent that many Romanian girls said they from Italy or other countries. However, the Polish, Czech, Russian, Ukrainian and even German girls gave stellar service. German Tessa brings back so many memories, have not thought of her in a long while. Remember Sunny? :-)
Man those were really the days. I visited FKKs for four years before I had my first Romanian. Prior to around 2012 Romanians had a reputation for poor service to the extent that many Romanian girls said they from Italy or other countries. However, the Polish, Czech, Russian, Ukrainian and even German girls gave stellar service. German Tessa brings back so many memories, have not thought of her in a long while. Remember Sunny?.German Tessa was so sexy, I couldn't say no to her. She then moved to GT-Bruggen and then I don't know.
Man those were really the days. I visited FKKs for four years before I had my first Romanian. Prior to around 2012 Romanians had a reputation for poor service to the extent that many Romanian girls said they from Italy or other countries. However, the Polish, Czech, Russian, Ukrainian and even German girls gave stellar service. German Tessa brings back so many memories, have not thought of her in a long while. Remember Sunny?When I started, already Romanian land and fortunately for me when I had so many great for love in bed. I learned to love them and didn't find many Germans competing for beauty and sensual for sex. If no Romanians, Germans would ask 100/30 and at least 150/60 .
Yes.
You don't need to quarantine if you have been vaccinated more than 14 days before your arrival date.
I did receive an email (in German from the Landkreis, not the state or national government) acknowledging receipt after I registered warning me of the consequences of not going into quarantine but after reading down, I saw that this applied only if I had not been vaccinated.
I did not travel from the USA but the requirements are the same.Thank you so much!
What if people don't have a hotel then what do they put for an address?
To those who have come from USA recently.
According to what this website.
https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de/#/5.
People flying in from United States will need to do digital registration before your fly time. I am confused and have some questions.
1) It asks me to provide address in Germany, Can I just use my hotel address then?
2) With me being fully vaccinated, I do not need to be self quarantine for 10 days, right?
3) Do I get pdf file or QR code once I submitted this digital registration form?
Thank you for your advise.
TankTank123
10-06-21, 02:25
German Tessa brings back so many memories, have not thought of her in a long while. Remember Sunny?Of course I remember Sunny; a stunner except that I dislike the feel of silicone and so I never went with her.
Sunny was annoyed with me once when I rejected her and took instead another German girl whom she frequently sat with. I can't remember her name as it was not a usual name, but she was tall, slim and had small boobs. Do you recall her name?
My ideal look is that of Tessa - slim, tanned and pixie face. Only downside of Tessa was that she was rather cold in the room, unlike the exuberant Michelle and Gabriella.
That reminds me of 2 other good blondes I sessioned with (but not regularly) in that era: Czech Hannah and Polish Victoria.
And I must not forget mention of super skinny Hungarian Judith; not pretty in my eyes but service was excellent. Later on she put on more and more darkish make-up around her eyes until I felt too repelled to go with her any more.
I miss all these non-Romanians. I think the large influx of Romanians when they were freely allowed to work in the EU as from 2014 probably made it too competitive for the others.
Smoke Light
10-06-21, 12:52
What if people don't have a hotel then what do they put for an address?Marriott Presidential Suite or any hostel room. Just pick a hotel in the area where you going.
Of course I remember Sunny; a stunner except that I dislike the feel of silicone and so I never went with her.
Sunny was annoyed with me once when I rejected her and took instead another German girl whom she frequently sat with. I can't remember her name as it was not a usual name, but she was tall, slim and had small boobs. Do you recall her name?
My ideal look is that of Tessa - slim, tanned and pixie face. Only downside of Tessa was that she was rather cold in the room, unlike the exuberant Michelle and Gabriella.
That reminds me of 2 other good blondes I sessioned with (but not regularly) in that era: Czech Hannah and Polish Victoria.
And I must not forget mention of super skinny Hungarian Judith; not pretty in my eyes but service was excellent. Later on she put on more and more darkish make-up around her eyes until I felt too repelled to go with her any more.
I miss all these non-Romanians. I think the large influx of Romanians when they were freely allowed to work in the EU as from 2014 probably made it too competitive for the others.I really cannot remember the name of the German who you mentioned. If she was as you have described I must have been with her. I'll have to consult my notes. The other names you mentioned are all familiar. Back then there were also mixed chicks like the excellent Ukrainian / Brazillian I had and the German / American. Then there was this babe from England (or was it Scotland) with the big boobs who I never got to sample as she was in great demand and I would rate per perhaps a 6. 5. Sunny was definitely one to have had at least once as she had excellent kegel skills, she used to make me come very quickly. The thing I disliked most about her was her voice, ouch!
TankTank123
10-08-21, 00:38
Sunny was definitely one to have had at least once as she had excellent kegel skills, she used to make me come very quickly.Pity I did not try her then. Around 2014, I used to queue during each visit to Oase to get my kegel fix from the small, very skinny Romanian with greenish blue hair extensions. And followed her subsequently to Sharks where she was called Cindy. If you had tried this Carla, how do find her kegel compared to that of Sunny?
Later, I found a girl in World called Madi with good kegel, though not as strong as Carla's.
Not a report rather hoping I can establish if its worth visiting around Christmas.
Looking at specific dates 26th, 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th December. First question is, are all FKK's open on all of these dates? And are we talking average, below or above the usual experience.
I am thinking the lady numbers might be down because they start drifting away for New Year? Or not? What is the vibe during this time? Flat atmosphere, calm before the storm, good availability of ladies?
And would there still be Christmas markets on these dates?
I asked a similar question last year about New Year's Eve and got enough of an impression to think New Year is too much hassle. Of course last year did not happen anyway.
If those dates are not up to much I will consider the week before Christmas. I imagine that will be a good buzz with all the Christmas markets and most ladies will still be at work?
Your thoughts appreciated.
Not a report rather hoping I can establish if its worth visiting around Christmas.
Looking at specific dates 26th, 27th, 28th, 29th and 30th December. First question is, are all FKK's open on all of these dates? And are we talking average, below or above the usual experience.
I am thinking the lady numbers might be down because they start drifting away for New Year? Or not? What is the vibe during this time? Flat atmosphere, calm before the storm, good availability of ladies?
And would there still be Christmas markets on these dates?
I asked a similar question last year about New Year's Eve and got enough of an impression to think New Year is too much hassle. Of course last year did not happen anyway.
If those dates are not up to much I will consider the week before Christmas. I imagine that will be a good buzz with all the Christmas markets and most ladies will still be at work?
Your thoughts appreciated.Not best time, most of best girls returning to family, be team trying to get better business. Sylvester gay party to avoid. Time for ski if snow. Today already snow on 5 last kilometers up to Stelvio 2758, climbing topless as always with 4 degrees on top, it was a great fresh sunny day, losing less water, muscles remaining more flexible and powerful for third and best Prato Stelvio of Summer. Can already ski on top of Bormio Stelvio. Wish for my best present for Christmas.
Man those were really the days. I visited FKKs for four years before I had my first Romanian. Prior to around 2012 Romanians had a reputation for poor service to the extent that many Romanian girls said they from Italy or other countries. However, the Polish, Czech, Russian, Ukrainian and even German girls gave stellar service. German Tessa brings back so many memories, have not thought of her in a long while. Remember Sunny?..And I am glad we were right in the middle of the golden era of FKK line up LOL! I got no regret for sex life of mine LOL! Early 2010's in FKK was like Studio 54 at its prime but the brothel version LOL!
It may return, who knows, it was just 10 years ago LOL!
Sunny was annoyed with me once when I rejected her and took instead another German girl whom she frequently sat with. I can't remember her name as it was not a usual name, but she was tall, slim and had small boobs. Do you recall her name?If she was German but of Turkish descent then that would be Kira. Amazingly hot girl.
TankTank123
10-09-21, 05:21
If she was German but of Turkish descent then that would be Kira. Amazingly hot girl.Hi Howie,
Good to hear from you again.
No, she was not Kira. I know who Kira is as she was often with Sunny. The German girl I am wondering about is slimmer and came (about 2 years later) to partner Sunny after Kira left the scene.
By the way, when I went to World the December just before Covid struck, I was told that the beautiful Angelina whom you previously asked about had started her 3rd new job after quitting her first two, but was definitely not returning to this profession again. Sigh, I miss her a great deal, after having had a total of around 30 sessions with her in the 2 year period she worked at World.
Smoke Light
10-09-21, 17:22
Chris,
I confirm what Sirioja posted: holidays between Christmas and Sylvester (New Years) can be challenging unless you stay in touch with certain girls on WhatsApp so you know they will be there. As it gets closer to Christmas, more and more girls go home. In my past experience, Samya and LR always had girls I could session with around the holidays, but LR is gone at least for now. As time runs closer to December I recommend closely monitoring German, Dutch, and French forums to get a vibe of what's going on. You may need to read between the lines in some online posts, because some folks post semi-lies to get a better chance of a free entry ticket via Tombola rounds on these forums. Shorter and factual posts can give you at least general idea on how it goes in the clubs these days.
As for timing, I recommend visiting before Christmas rather than Sylvester. I think you may get better options this way.
My September experience in Samya was just great in terms of optics. Lots of young very beautiful girls but the level of service of course is very basic, don't expect too many wedding nights.
I apologize to McA and Fucked up Swede for not responding to PMs. I respond to every message but my ISG membership is unpaid, and I suspect these people never received my replies.
Chris,
I confirm what Sirioja posted: holidays between Christmas and Sylvester (New Years) can be challenging unless you stay in touch with certain girls on WhatsApp so you know they will be there. As it gets closer to Christmas, more and more girls go home. In my past experience, Samya and LR always had girls I could session with around the holidays, but LR is gone at least for now. As time runs closer to December I recommend closely monitoring German, Dutch, and French forums to get a vibe of what's going on. You may need to read between the lines in some online posts, because some folks post semi-lies to get a better chance of a free entry ticket via Tombola rounds on these forums. Shorter and factual posts can give you at least general idea on how it goes in the clubs these days.
As for timing, I recommend visiting before Christmas rather than Sylvester. I think you may get better options this way.
My September experience in Samya was just great in terms of optics. Lots of young very beautiful girls but the level of service of course is very basic, don't expect too many wedding nights.
I apologize to McA and Fucked up Swede for not responding to PMs. I respond to every message but my ISG membership is unpaid, and I suspect these people never received my replies.Better not to trust so much German forums, not so reliable, not my experiences.
Pity I did not try her then. Around 2014, I used to queue during each visit to Oase to get my kegel fix from the small, very skinny Romanian with greenish blue hair extensions. And followed her subsequently to Sharks where she was called Cindy. If you had tried this Carla, how do find her kegel compared to that of Sunny?
Later, I found a girl in World called Madi with good kegel, though not as strong as Carla's.I can't recall having done Cindy / Carla. Kegel is an art and even if the girl has the skill if it is practised wrong it can be off putting. I actually prefer no kegel to kegel done wrong. There is this escort I have been doing who told me when she is horny (which was every time she has been with me) she does kegel automatically, she never practised to do it and can't control it. The problem is that it hinders my enjoyment rather than adds to it. I have never nutted with her. Fact is though she is one of the most in demand girls. For me the muscles have to be contracted and released in a rhythmical manner matching the rhythm of my thrusts. Sunny did the best kegel I have ever experienced in my decades of having sex.
Trip report. I just got back from Oase on Friday and Saturday for the first time, wow!
I've mongered in several countries: Thailand, Dominican Republic, Dubai, South Kore, America, United Arab Emirates etc. And I have to say Germany FKK Oase is up there. The process was pretty easy. Ring the door bell, walk in, fill out the paper, pay 50 euros, and it's off to the races. The location is a littler bit out of the way but that's for obvious reasons.
Obviously beautiful women everywhere and most looking for a customer would get the point if you said you just wanted to relax and look around first. So they weren't pushy so that's good. There's also no "lady drinks" so that's a bonus (lady drinks are when you buy a woman a drink, usually expensive, and she talks to you).
The layout was nice, spacious, big screen TVs, decent music, etc. I didn't explore the other areas though. I do like how most are topless or bottomless so you know exactly what you're buying.
I also do like the fact that you pay afterwards. That's a bonus in my book.
Service. Some girls are better than others but most are pretty good and understand it's about getting repeat customers. I don't remember any names but do remember I had a Brazilian, Ukrainian, Romanian, Moldavian, etc. All knew conversational English. Some of these women were so hot that you could be exhausted from the previous shag, but you're still ready to go for a new shag. First night I had 3, second night I had 4.
I only do 30 minutes because that's all I need. Some women you can bargain down to 50 euros for 30 minutes but others you can't. I also made sure it's a bareback blowjob, which most are fine with doing. Luckily I didn't have anyone trying to upsell me besides one.
This one lady had a small tattoo on her left collarbone, Maldovian, slim petite, big ass, and I will absolutely repeat her.
I'm pretty young and in decent shape, but to be able to shag this number of hot women in one night is beyond my wildest dreams. I plan to go to sharks as well as other FKKs throughout Germany.
Anyways, yeah. I'm glad I got to experience and I can confirm, from a man who has mongered in several places, it's 100% worth it.
If anyone has questions just let me know. I work and live in Germany, for what it's worth.
Can someone recommend a hotel with a really good gym or a good standalone gym that allows access on a pay per use fee.
Frankfurt area.
Tia.
Can someone recommend a hotel with a really good gym or a good standalone gym that allows access on a pay per use fee.
Frankfurt area.
Tia.Roomers, but they are quite pricey, but with escort, it is priceless LOL! Alone, it is pricey LOL!
Can someone recommend a hotel with a really good gym or a good standalone gym that allows access on a pay per use fee.
Frankfurt area.
Tia.I've used the FitFox website to find gyms in Germany (Average of 10-12 euro for day passes, or 20-30 e for a 2 week pass). The Eversports App is also good with 6-8 euro day pass options but they don't have many venues in Frankfurt area. I use that app when in NRW.
https://www.fitfox.de/en/gyms/?search=%22Frankfurt%22
Also, a little out the way (halfway between Darmstadt and Frankfurt) but can be on the way if you choose the "scenic" A661 route rather than the A5 to Frankfurt, my go-to gym when visiting Sharks for a few days is Fitness b&K, 7 euro day passes. They've got the nice clean fitness studio up top and the heavy weights dungeon gym in the basement.
Fitness be & K GmbH.
+49 6103 9079588.
https://goo.gl/maps/huihmA214fspVCHq6
As for hotels, I've only seen a decent one at the Frankfurt Marriott, about 2 km NW of the main trains station. Can't recall ever seeing anything decent at the lower priced gyms.
Frankfurt Marriott Hotel.
https://goo.gl/maps/vuAFtY7ewY98QkPf8
GuyBrusg1957
10-12-21, 00:52
Anyways, yeah. I'm glad I got to experience and I can confirm, from a man who has mongered in several places, it's 100% worth it.
If anyone has questions just let me know. I work and live in Germany, for what it's worth.What's the best time of the year to go? End of the month, middle or beginning? Would it be worth it to go in the winter or should I wait until the summer?
What's the best time of the year to go? End of the month, middle or beginning? Would it be worth it to go in the winter or should I wait until the summer?Unless you live in Europe, I wouldn't bother. Germany FKK scene is dead now, as you can also see from the minimal activity on this forum. Maybe things will improve by next summer, who knows.
Steve 9696
10-12-21, 02:12
Trip report. I just got back from Oase on Friday and Saturday for the first time, wow!
I've mongered in several countries: Thailand, Dominican Republic, Dubai, South Kore, America, United Arab Emirates etc. And I have to say Germany FKK Oase is up there. The process was pretty easy. Ring the door bell, walk in, fill out the paper, pay 50 euros, and it's off to the races. The location is a littler bit out of the way but that's for obvious reasons.
Obviously beautiful women everywhere and most looking for a customer would get the point if you said you just wanted to relax and look around first. So they weren't pushy so that's good. There's also no "lady drinks" so that's a bonus (lady drinks are when you buy a woman a drink, usually expensive, and she talks to you).
The layout was nice, spacious, big screen TVs, decent music, etc. I didn't explore the other areas though. I do like how most are topless or bottomless so you know exactly what you're buying.
I also do like the fact that you pay afterwards. That's a bonus in my book.
Service. Some girls are better than others but most are pretty good and understand it's about getting repeat customers. I don't remember any names but do remember I had a Brazilian, Ukrainian, Romanian, Moldavian, etc. All knew conversational English. Some of these women were so hot that you could be exhausted from the previous shag, but you're still ready to go for a new shag. First night I had 3, second night I had 4.
I only do 30 minutes because that's all I need. Some women you can bargain down to 50 euros for 30 minutes but others you can't. I also made sure it's a bareback blowjob, which most are fine with doing. Luckily I didn't have anyone trying to upsell me besides one.
This one lady had a small tattoo on her left collarbone, Maldovian, slim petite, big ass, and I will absolutely repeat her.
I'm pretty young and in decent shape, but to be able to shag this number of hot women in one night is beyond my wildest dreams. I plan to go to sharks as well as other FKKs throughout Germany.
Anyways, yeah. I'm glad I got to experience and I can confirm, from a man who has mongered in several places, it's 100% worth it.
If anyone has questions just let me know. I work and live in Germany, for what it's worth.Welcome to the club man! FKK is one of the top worldwide experiences for sure. You will like Sharks too. I can't believe you live in Germany and never been. Of course I run into guys in the UK who have never done a Diva girl incall. What?
Glad you had a great time. No looking back now. If you want to add to your rather extensive list do Scandallo in São Paulo (nightclub experience) and some Romanian incall girls via Diva in London. (Imagine fucking Oase girl in her own bedroom!
FilthyBeaver
10-12-21, 02:54
Trip report. I just got back from Oase on Friday and Saturday for the first time, wow!This is a total noob question. Since they don't allow phones, what do you do when Jr is recuperating? I'm well past the age of being able to go back to back to back without an hour or two at least in between sessions. Any place else on the planet I would be reading something on my phone. Not really interested in small talk with any of them as I'm convinced P4 P is more about getting them to leave when you want rather than spreading their legs in the beginning.
I'm planning a long overdue trip to Fra / Stuttgart / AMG in Dec and I think it only makes sense to rent a car for the whole time as taxi rates are close to the same if you take a couple trips a day and I wouldn't be tied down anywhere if the vibe is no good. Use Fra as a base and take day trips everywhere. Any thoughts on whether this is a good idea or not?
Unless you live in Europe, I wouldn't bother. Germany FKK scene is dead now, as you can also see from the minimal activity on this forum. Maybe things will improve by next summer, who knows.Dead? Sharks was better on this Summer than since beginning of 2017, except for weather. I had my best girl at 6 sens on last Wednesday. So many girls are still working in opened FKK. You just have to adapt to new business, same like in real life.
Banana Boi
10-12-21, 08:52
Some women you can bargain down to 50 euros for 30 minutes but others you can't. I also made sure it's a bareback blowjob, which most are fine with doing. Luckily I didn't have anyone trying to upsell me besides one.Out of the 7 girls how many included BBBJ for 50 total? If not 50, what did you end up paying them?
How many girls were there?
I've used the FitFox website to find gyms in Germany (Average of 10-12 euro for day passes, or 20-30 e for a 2 week pass). The Eversports App is also good with 6-8 euro day pass options but they don't have many venues in Frankfurt area. I use that app when in NRW.
https://www.fitfox.de/en/gyms/?search=%22Frankfurt%22
Also, a little out the way (halfway between Darmstadt and Frankfurt) but can be on the way if you choose the "scenic" A661 route rather than the A5 to Frankfurt, my go-to gym when visiting Sharks for a few days is Fitness b&K, 7 euro day passes. They've got the nice clean fitness studio up top and the heavy weights dungeon gym in the basement.
Fitness be & K GmbH.You can walk to roomers from HBF, but pricey for alone night LOL!
Out of the 7 girls how many included BBBJ for 50 total? If not 50, what did you end up paying them?
How many girls were there?Man, it is like some police interrogation in the movie LOL!
This is a total noob question. Since they don't allow phones, what do you do when Jr is recuperating? I'm well past the age of being able to go back to back to back without an hour or two at least in between sessions....I like sports so I look at soccer or whatever sport is displayed on the screens. If you don't like sport bring a book and while reading occasionally look away for eye candy. If you wish you can play chess with the old Germans. Don't forget to voraciously partake of mealtimes.
I like sports so I look at soccer or whatever sport is displayed on the screens. If you don't like sport bring a book and while reading occasionally look away for eye candy. If you wish you can play chess with the old Germans. Don't forget to voraciously partake of mealtimes.When I was in school, I went to the club with my books and studied for my board exams in between sessions. There was also a skills section so I like to think that I practiced them when in the rooms. Hah!
When I was in school, I went to the club with my books and studied for my board exams in between sessions. There was also a skills section so I like to think that I practiced them when in the rooms. Hah!A great way to manage stress while studying for important exams LOLOLOL! Of course, when I was doing such, I could not afford to be a monger.
FilthyBeaver
10-13-21, 18:53
FFS if I has these when I was in school I wouldn't have graduated and I'd still be paying the credit card bills!
When I was in school, I went to the club with my books and studied for my board exams in between sessions. There was also a skills section so I like to think that I practiced them when in the rooms. Hah!
A great way to manage stress while studying for important exams LOLOLOL! Of course, when I was doing such, I could not afford to be a monger.But you got to the promise lands with s including Brazil LOL! That is all it matters LOL!
I like sports so I look at soccer or whatever sport is displayed on the screens. If you don't like sport bring a book and while reading occasionally look away for eye candy. If you wish you can play chess with the old Germans. Don't forget to voraciously partake of mealtimes.The last thin I want to see is men on the screen in FKK LOL! When I am in there, I am a dedicated prostitute stunner hunter or sharp stunner shooter stationed to catch the stunner, only break is toilet that I make sure I finish quick so I do not miss a thing LOL!
When I was in school, I went to the club with my books and studied for my board exams in between sessions. There was also a skills section so I like to think that I practiced them when in the rooms. Hah!When I was studying, I kissed my girlfriends for hours and didn't pay. Until 30 December 2012, because not enough snow to ski, when I discovered FKK GT, I thought it was windows I saw on TV. Not impressed by discovery at GT compare to my Russian escorts, difficult to find a attractive look and never repeated with her even she was sweet Romanian but silicon. I needed few visits to start to find attractive girls. But escorts level fell after Amour Russe and Charme Russe when I found escorts level girls in FKK, some for 80/60 versus 200/250/60. My 177 fitness model German escort discovered at Vertigo on end of 2017 was for 250/150 on wow discovery, became 300 for 3/4 hours after, weekly for 3 months. Rather than ugly girls in RTC, easiest for natural sex are German escorts when You make them cum, when they are used to Germans or Turkish, they fast lose control for different way for sex.
I like sports so I look at soccer or whatever sport is displayed on the screens. If you don't like sport bring a book and while reading occasionally look away for eye candy. If you wish you can play chess with the old Germans. Don't forget to voraciously partake of mealtimes.Does Sharks have a chess board? Or does someone bring their own? I'm curious how I would play.
I like sports so I look at soccer or whatever sport is displayed on the screens. If you don't like sport bring a book and while reading occasionally look away for eye candy. If you wish you can play chess with the old Germans. Don't forget to voraciously partake of mealtimes.I'm remembering one of those giant chess boards where you walk around to move the pieces.
A great way to manage stress while studying for important exams LOLOLOL! Of course, when I was doing such, I could not afford to be a monger.Is Brazil the place to go now? Meaning no covid restrictions, and easy prowl methods?
The last thin I want to see is men on the screen in FKK LOL! When I am in there, I am a dedicated prostitute stunner hunter or sharp stunner shooter stationed to catch the stunner, only break is toilet that I make sure I finish quick so I do not miss a thing LOL!I admire your dedication to sport fucking LOL.
When I was studying, I kissed my girlfriends for hours and didn't pay.The 1950's were a great decade!
I admire your dedication to sport fucking LOL.I try to get the best out of it and I don't play in FKK LOL! It is serious game for me that enrich the quality of my life LOL!
When I was studying, I kissed my girlfriends for hours and didn't pay. Until 30 December 2012, because not enough snow to ski, when I discovered FKK GT, I thought it was windows I saw on TV. Not impressed by discovery at GT compare to my Russian escorts, difficult to find a attractive look and never repeated with her even she was sweet Romanian but silicon. I needed few visits to start to find attractive girls. But escorts level fell after Amour Russe and Charme Russe when I found escorts level girls in FKK, some for 80/60 versus 200/250/60. My 177 fitness model German escort discovered at Vertigo on end of 2017 was for 250/150 on wow discovery, became 300 for 3/4 hours after, weekly for 3 months. Rather than ugly girls in RTC, easiest for natural sex are German escorts when You make them cum, when they are used to Germans or Turkish, they fast lose control for different way for sex.You paid for wining and dining like I used, we just switched to 50 euro per 30 min now, 100 euro for anal and 50 euro more to cum in her mouth LOL! And above all, the price includes for them to leave without complaint as well LOL! So you always paid, but in different way LOL!
The 1950's were a great decade!But most of girls tell I'm very hard and fuck more than in 20's guys, without needing Viagra, but with my sports. Yesterday, when I arrived quite tired, if I was not a so bad hunter, could make a third room with third round of course between 4 pm and 10.30 pm, but 6 sens close too early.
But most of girls tell I'm very hard and fuck more than in 20's guys, without needing Viagra.That's funny. Because they tell me the exact same thing! LOLOLOL!
PaulInZurich
10-15-21, 17:57
That's funny. Because they tell me the exact same thing! LOLOLOL!To me they tell I look at least 10 years younger, that I am great in bed and that I have a very big anaconda. They would never lie to me. LOL.
That's funny. Because they tell me the exact same thing! LOLOLOL!Wow, anaconda!
Wow, anaconda!I like to compare belly and tool, when I take long showers in FKK.
Romania is now COVID critical:
https://www.eureporter.co/world/romania/2021/10/18/romania-has-the-highest-covid-mortality-rate-in-the-world/
I like to compare belly and tool, when I take long showers in FKK.That's part of why I prefer at least shorter than average girls. It gets more extreme, and with some, can even reach solar plexus. LOL!
There is a clear undisputed anthropological reason for why alpha males choose short girls and beta males choose tall girls. And it can easily be seen in evolution.
Romania is now COVID critical:
https://www.eureporter.co/world/romania/2021/10/18/romania-has-the-highest-covid-mortality-rate-in-the-world/Well, when they pay people to change their death certificates. What did you expect? LOL!
PaulInZurich
10-19-21, 17:22
Romania is now COVID critical:
https://www.eureporter.co/world/romania/2021/10/18/romania-has-the-highest-covid-mortality-rate-in-the-world/Very low vaccination rate, 58 doses per 100 population. Denmark has 152 per 100 population. I think EU average is about 130.
That's part of why I prefer at least shorter than average girls. It gets more extreme, and with some, can even reach solar plexus. LOL!
There is a clear undisputed anthropological reason for why alpha males choose short girls and beta males choose tall girls. And it can easily be seen in evolution.So I must be beta for paid sex when I need to be impressed to feel desire. Little Romanians or porn look Germans don't excite me.
BigBuddy69
10-19-21, 21:46
There is a clear undisputed anthropological reason for why alpha males choose short girls and beta males choose tall girls. And it can easily be seen in evolution.And what could you say about little dudes picking systematically girls at least girls 10 cm taller than them. They are gamma pussies begging to be dominated and turned into money slaves?
And what could you say about little dudes picking systematically girls at least girls 10 cm taller than them. They are gamma pussies begging to be dominated and turned into money slaves?Not Gamma. Omega, representing a big gaping asshole ready to be penetrated.
PaulInZurich
10-20-21, 06:09
And what could you say about little dudes picking systematically girls at least girls 10 cm taller than them. They are gamma pussies begging to be dominated and turned into money slaves?Well little dudes have no choice. Almost all girls are taller.
So I must be beta for paid sex when I need to be impressed to feel desire. Little Romanians or porn look Germans don't excite me.But so many taller than 170 are small pussy, needing to be very careful. 185 supermodel look with amazing ratio tight waist round ass Kelli. Ro at Sharks thought I was too long to fuck when I was careful and couldn't finish in 30 mn but I preferred to give up and save my money when she seems used to finish Balkanians in 10/15 mn.
And what could you say about little dudes picking systematically girls at least girls 10 cm taller than them. They are gamma pussies begging to be dominated and turned into money slaves?Well theoretically the gamma's never get any sex at all. So I guess they would be beta's in the vicinity of FKK's. In old times the gamma's weren't even allowed to enter the village, or the camp site.
The alpha wants to rule alone, so he want to keep as many small women as possible around him. The smaller the girls are, the more feminine features they also have. So that could also be a reason why alphas are more attracted to the shorter girls. And after awhile, the alpha didn't have the means in order to fend off all the beta's, so he settled for just one. Thus taller females get their place also, since the alpha let the beta's procreate with the ones he preferred less. Usually the ones needing less energy to control. And so possibly he managed to keep 2 or even 3 to himself.
As soon as we left the trees, probably due to the invention of fire (or climate changes in eastern Africa), the beta's banded up in order to take down the alpha. And so democracy was invented since everyone needed to get close to the fireplace, and so we turned less hostile. The bonobo did the same democracy without leaving the trees, but there they have shorter height difference between the sexes due to less sexual selection since they have orgies all the time. Thus everyone can reproduce. They have no dominant alpha like the gorillas or chimps, and so for the bonobo, their taller females compared to their close cousins chimps even rub their clits together, so they don't need a large one to get as aroused as for example with the gorillas or the chimps.
Then again, humans are more warring than the bonobos. At least until recent civilization occurred. And thus almost all women long for the alpha and not the beta male. And they have kinks and get horny from some form of alpha strength display during playtime. The females who resisted this, got killed. So through Darwinism, the gene that makes women love the alpha's survived to a great extent among humans, more so than the ones preferring beta's, the less attractive taller, more difficult to control females. I can't recall the ratio exactly, but it is between 60% and 90% who has that subordinate kink gene among human females, and thus are genetically predisposed to prefer the alpha male.
So I must be beta for paid sex when I need to be impressed to feel desire.Hard to change ones genes. But the longing for the beta women (the taller ones above average) among the beta males are most likely related to the tall ones being the leftovers. And also due to the fact that the taller women had to join in during the handling of the alpha during fighting. So the taller more masculine women are fighters and thus partly more male in nature with more testosterone.
The recent rise in the LGBTQ movement most likely comes from the furthering of the beta democracy running the world. Alongside subordination of the masculine males though labelling them as having ADHD etc. As well as chemicals around us messing with our hormones. We can also see this in terms of the total number of genes on the why chromosome in relation to the X chromosome. Where the democracy beta aspect of civilization is killing off the male gene. Eventually we will die out as this goes further, and the only way we can reproduce is during some mixing of genes outside the body. Really messy if it doesn't work. And and ot very sexy. But there seems to be a lot of beta males running the world who want this, since there are more beta males than alpha males in the world. Although they would indeed loose any election once the women realize that most of them do in fact prefer the alpha.
You can also look at all the gay men running the fashion industry who prefer the tall beta women as models. Alpha males would 1. Not be into gay fashion, and 2. Choose short women.
If you want you can also listen to Jordan Peterson's dousins of videos where he describes how the vast majority of women prefer the alpha male.
So current global politics are in fact massively anti-majority women. As well as anti alpha males. And pro beta males and minority women. The same can be said about vaccines trying to reduce alpha males into betas and later even kill them off too.
Well theoretically the gamma's never get any sex at all. So I guess they would be beta's in the vicinity of FKK's. In old times the gamma's weren't even allowed to enter the village, or the camp site.
The alpha wants to rule alone, so he want to keep as many small women as possible around him. The smaller the girls are, the more feminine features they also have. So that could also be a reason why alphas are more attracted to the shorter girls. And after awhile, the alpha didn't have the means in order to fend off all the beta's, so he settled for just one. Thus taller females get their place also, since the alpha let the beta's procreate with the ones he preferred less. Usually the ones needing less energy to control. And so possibly he managed to keep 2 or even 3 to himself.
As soon as we left the trees, probably due to the invention of fire (or climate changes in eastern Africa), the beta's banded up in order to take down the alpha. And so democracy was invented since everyone needed to get close to the fireplace, and so we turned less hostile. The bonobo did the same democracy without leaving the trees, but there they have shorter height difference between the sexes due to less sexual selection since they have orgies all the time. Thus everyone can reproduce. They have no dominant alpha like the gorillas or chimps, and so for the bonobo, their taller females compared to their close cousins chimps even rub their clits together, so they don't need a large one to get as aroused as for example with the gorillas or the chimps..Are jealous bullshiting followers ranked around epsilon? When I need to be impressed to desire, I would not pay just to empty balls, when I left so many times GT Bruggen, Sharks, Oase, Globe, Wellcum with full heavy balls when I didn't want to waste my money when no dream in my mind.
Very low vaccination rate, 58 doses per 100 population. Denmark has 152 per 100 population. I think EU average is about 130.Someone should do a study worldwide to compare death rates with vaccination rates.
Don't listen to the bad science below. Testosterone doesn't make women taller. It's not Testosterone that increase height, it's growth hormone. Any correlation with testosterone is because growth hormone (hGh) stimulates testosterone release in parallel to hGH's own effects.
You can also look at all the gay men running the fashion industry who prefer the tall beta women as models. Alpha males would 1. Not be into gay fashion, and 2. Choose short women.
If you want you can also listen to Jordan Peterson's dousins of videos where he describes how the vast majority of women prefer the alpha male.
So current global politics are in fact massively anti-majority women. As well as anti alpha males. And pro beta males and minority women. The same can be said about vaccines trying to reduce alpha males into betas and later even kill them off too.This is only loosely related to the posts. Have you even had your testosterone levels checked? There is talk about them falling and the level considered normal being reduced. It is somewhat of an interesting subject. I would not want to be on replacement myself. I imagine mine was fairly high when younger and still at a healthy level. I am sure it is a complicated topic.
Don't listen to the bad science below. Testosterone doesn't make women taller. It's not Testosterone that increase height, it's growth hormone. Any correlation with testosterone is because growth hormone (hGh) stimulates testosterone release in parallel to hGH's own effects.Sure thing. I could have written that also, just wrote a quick summary, so skipped some small details. For once you managed to use google correctly. Tiny improvements. I'll give you that.
When it comes to height, hard physical activity at young age also reduces the length of the bones. So it is not a black and white thing. But roughly speaking.
When it comes to height, hard physical activity at young age also reduces the length of the bones. So it is not a black and white thing. But roughly speaking.I can't see how this can be based on a scientific study. I have heard it as reason for children not to do weight training. I don't think it has any science behind it. Weight training isn't exactly hard physical labor. There are also child labor laws so you wouldn't be able to observe the effects.
When it comes to height, hard physical activity at young age also reduces the length of the bones. So it is not a black and white thing. But roughly speaking.Height comes from length of legs, torso, neck and head. Hard physical labor involving the legs would be walking or standing for long periods of time. Unless, of course hard labor means an over worked state with no time for rest or sleep. Then, the cause would be lack of sleep.
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Height comes from length of legs, torso, neck and head. Hard physical labor involving the legs would be walking or standing for long periods of time. Unless, of course hard labor means an over worked state with no time for rest or sleep. Then, the cause would be lack of sleep.I actually read it in a study once. Not labor as you say, but activity. This is different. What the study said was that microfractures causes the time it would take to grow longer bones, turn into time taken to heal.
I actually read it in a study once. Not labor as you say, but activity. This is different. What the study said was that microfractures causes the time it would take to grow longer bones, turn into time taken to heal.I've been told that it has something to do with the "growth plates" in the knee and hip joints. Hence the need for teenage boys to "lay up" on the stacks when it comes to deadlifts and squats. Or so I've heard.
I can't see how this can be based on a scientific study. I have heard it as reason for children not to do weight training. I don't think it has any science behind it. Weight training isn't exactly hard physical labor. There are also child labor laws so you wouldn't be able to observe the effects.
Height comes from length of legs, torso, neck and head. Hard physical labor involving the legs would be walking or standing for long periods of time. Unless, of course hard labor means an over worked state with no time for rest or sleep. Then, the cause would be lack of sleep.Bingo. Because it's not backed up by what we know about physiology. So long as adequate nutrition and rest is provided to meet demand and traumatic injury does not occur, that claim had no basis, just an urban legend perpetuated in the 90's. Stressors such as proper weightlifting or any high intensity exercise, even in adolescence, promotes human growth hormone release, the major player in bone length promotion during adolescence (most certainly not testosterone).
I've been told that it has something to do with the "growth plates" in the knee and hip joints. Hence the need for teenage boys to "lay up" on the stacks when it comes to deadlifts and squats. Or so I've heard.That makes sense. The bones are growing. You don't want to interfere with the growth. There is also something like muscle memory. Someone that doesn't reach a peak when they have the potentional are probably at a lower level later. I read that about testosterone. If I was beast, but you never became a beast. I am more beastly after time has past. My body remembers being a beast. Your body can't imagine it. The body tells you when to ease up. I imagine sprints or American Football is worse than weight lifting.
I've been told that it has something to do with the "growth plates" in the knee and hip joints. Hence the need for teenage boys to "lay up" on the stacks when it comes to deadlifts and squats. Or so I've heard.Imagine what it does to a gymnast. It is not like they wait for a gymnast to stop growing before they train.
When it comes to height, hard physical activity at young age also reduces the length of the bones. So it is not a black and white thing. But roughly speaking.When we were children my dad always told us to eat all our meat so we can grow to be big, strong and tall like him. There was a servant next door who was very short and my dad said that it was due to lack of protein in her diet. That has stuck with me since then.
Bingo. Because it's not backed up by what we know about physiology. So long as adequate nutrition and rest is provided to meet demand and traumatic injury does not occur, that claim had no basis, just an urban legend perpetuated in the 90's. Stressors such as proper weightlifting or any high intensity exercise, even in adolescence, promotes human growth hormone release, the major player in bone length promotion during adolescence (most certainly not testosterone).You wrote that much better than I could.
When we were children my dad always told us to eat all our meat so we can grow to be big, strong and tall like him. There was a servant next door who was very short and my dad said that it was due to lack of protein in her diet. That has stuck with me since then.Eating soup to grow. I didn't like soup and told my parents I didn't want to take pills to become NBA player, but strong healthy with great stamina and resistance, not even needing to train to be faster than 3 times World champion but too heavy Sagan in steep part of Loze when not so difficult than Zoncolan and Mortirolo.
When we were children my dad always told us to eat all our meat so we can grow to be big, strong and tall like him. There was a servant next door who was very short and my dad said that it was due to lack of protein in her diet. That has stuck with me since then.Are you discussing why the Romanian working girls are so short? In my view many come from poor families living in Romanian countryside. Families there used to have many children and like only one cow in the backyard. Children were basically fed with the milk of that cow.
Of course this changes now as the families send their daughters to work abroad and basically one third of Romanian population is.
Working abroad and sending money home.
When we were children my dad always told us to eat all our meat so we can grow to be big, strong and tall like him. There was a servant next door who was very short and my dad said that it was due to lack of protein in her diet. That has stuck with me since then.So you ended up in FKK to eat the stunners pussy and ass for 50 euro per 30 min LOL! It is damn tasty oysters they are LOL!
Are you discussing why the Romanian working girls are so short? In my view many come from poor families living in Romanian countryside. Families there used to have many children and like only one cow in the backyard. Children were basically fed with the milk of that cow.
Of course this changes now as the families send their daughters to work abroad and basically one third of Romanian population is.
Working abroad and sending money home.To see from which condition girls come from, and even for Germans, look at teeth and nails which need calcium. Poverty often give bad or yellow black teeth. You have poor Bulgarians with bad teeth going to misery business in AO RTC. Most Romanians are usually less than 160 bare feet, reason why what is rare worth more for me, taller than 170 bare feet, meaning around 190 on plastic prostitutes heels. When saw new fresh full natural 175 bare feet Cameron. Ro at Samya, when no mountain climbing on week end, but couldn't resist for this new climbing with sweet nice girl for 80.
I've been told that it has something to do with the "growth plates" in the knee and hip joints. Hence the need for teenage boys to "lay up" on the stacks when it comes to deadlifts and squats. Or so I've heard.Bingo. The microfractures I was mentioning are happening in the growth plates as you say. That's exactly what the study said.
Are you discussing why the Romanian working girls are so short? In my view many come from poor families living in Romanian countryside. Families there used to have many children and like only one cow in the backyard. Children were basically fed with the milk of that cow.
Of course this changes now as the families send their daughters to work abroad and basically one third of Romanian population is.
Working abroad and sending money home.Actually, alpha males through evolution should prefer short girls. So this is a good thing!
But studies also show that men sexually prefer women to have 5% longer than average legs in relation to their upper body. So preferably the girls from a young age should try to restrictions their upper body growth through training, while letting their legs grow slightly more. Meaning squats and deadlift might not be the best way for them to stay short. But I'm not going to say for sure which exercise is the best either now. Maybe standing on their hands? LOL.
Are you discussing why the Romanian working girls are so short? In my view many come from poor families living in Romanian countryside. Families there used to have many children and like only one cow in the backyard. Children were basically fed with the milk of that cow.
Of course this changes now as the families send their daughters to work abroad and basically one third of Romanian population is.
Working abroad and sending money home.I would like to note that there are plenty of overweight children that grow up to be shorter. There are also plenty of children with eating disorders that don't much of anything that grow to be tall. There is also height disparity among siblings. Germans and that part of Europe is taller than average. I am sure it is a source of pride as it should be. There is generally normal ranges that aren't really influenced by nutrition unless it is very severe in my estimation.
Actually, alpha males through evolution should prefer short girls. So this is a good thing!
But studies also show that men sexually prefer women to have 5% longer than average legs in relation to their upper body. So preferably the girls from a young age should try to restrictions their upper body growth through training, while letting their legs grow slightly more. Meaning squats and deadlift might not be the best way for them to stay short. But I'm not going to say for sure which exercise is the best either now. Maybe standing on their hands? LOL.All women desperately want to be tall so by your logic women do not want alpha males. There was this American college student who had surgery that involved breaking bones in her legs to add length to her legs so she could be taller and thereby accepted among the alpha girls.
They gained 20 cm in a 150 year period: https://www.thejournal.ie/why-are-dutch-people-so-damn-tall-2036162-Apr2015/.
All women desperately want to be tall so by your logic women do not want alpha males. There was this American college student who had surgery that involved breaking bones in her legs to add length to her legs so she could be taller and thereby accepted among the alpha girls.Yes most of girls would like to be taller than 170 bare feet and minimum European be cup for breasts size and firm not falling. Same than guys who would like to have at least 15 and a bit thick. Even when taller than 175 bare feet, but many small pussies You need to be careful when entering and even after. I really enjoyed Amira at Samya, she is around 170, because good potential for fucking when having entered deep inside her, then she doesn't speak anymore about extra nor time remaining.
They gained 20 cm in a 150 year period: https://www.thejournal.ie/why-are-dutch-people-so-damn-tall-2036162-Apr2015/.NL and US seem opposite examples?
All women desperately want to be tall so by your logic women do not want alpha males. There was this American college student who had surgery that involved breaking bones in her legs to add length to her legs so she could be taller and thereby accepted among the alpha girls.Not all women. I know a bunch of short girls outside of FKK s who are glad they are short, because where I am from that means they get all the options among guys. Tall girls have it very hard here! But I hear this is different from place to place. Some places have more beta's than others.
They gained 20 cm in a 150 year period: https://www.thejournal.ie/why-are-dutch-people-so-damn-tall-2036162-Apr2015/.I noticed the article chalked it up to taller people having more children. Thanks for sharing that.
They gained 20 cm in a 150 year period: https://www.thejournal.ie/why-are-dutch-people-so-damn-tall-2036162-Apr2015/.Perhaps shorter people did better in a low nutrition environment. That actually makes a lot of sense. Little people need less food.
NL and US seem opposite examples?Obviously because of the uneven influx of multiethnic immigrants to the US from South America and Asian countries lowering the average. European Americans have gotten taller.
NL and US seem opposite examples?Yes. In 1820, USA was significantly taller than the rest of the world. Around 1880 in when Dutch became taller: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=DEU~NLD~FRA~USA~CHN~SWE.
Perhaps shorter people did better in a low nutrition environment. That actually makes a lot of sense. Little people need less food.Genetics matters with regards to height. But low nutrition (famines) and plagues impact height. In Dutch example, some articles posit that the height increase was partly due to natural selection, meaning taller Dutch men and taller Dutch women were selecting each other for procreation, leaving shorter people out of the equation. Some seem to also cite NL's social safety net as a reason. Due to inequality poor people lack access to prenatal and early childhood medical care and never reach their full height potential. And these people bring down the average. This article is an interesting read: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/04/05/the-height-gap.
Humans are an ever-improving species, the old evolution charts tell us; each generation is smarter, sleeker, and taller than the last. Yet in Northern Europe over the past twelve hundred years human stature has followed a U-shaped curve: from a high around 800 A.D., to a low sometime in the seventeenth century, and back up again. Charlemagne was well over six feet; the soldiers who stormed the Bastille a millennium later averaged five feet and weighed a hundred pounds. They didnt look like Errol Flynn and Alan Hale, the economist Robert Fogel told me. They looked like thirteen-year-old girls.Height has stagnated in most of the world over the last 3-4 decades except Asia. Average Chinese 19 year old males saw a height increase of almost 9 cm between 1985 and 2019 (males born in 1966 versus males born in 2000). They are still not as tall as Dutch ofc, but probably similar to Southern Europeans: https://www.bips-institut.de/no_cache/en/news/single-view/artikel/poor-nutrition-in-school-years-may-have-created-20cm-height-gap-across-nations.html.
Kalle Kula
10-25-21, 12:13
Hi Guys. (I guess not many women here).
What clubs would you recommend to experience public sex and blowjobs.
Both as a voyeur and as a participant.
There is something with having a girl go down on me with other people walking past that turns me on.
Does this still happen or is it a thing of the past?
Hi Guys. (I guess not many women here).
What clubs would you recommend to experience public sex and blowjobs.
Both as a voyeur and as a participant.
There is something with having a girl go down on me with other people walking past that turns me on.
Does this still happen or is it a thing of the past?Finca Erotica upstairs in kino, Babylon Elsdorf, kino in Mainhattan but best is Globe Zurich where You can even win 5 entries if You are elected from your public performance on Tuesday afternoon. Many WGs read us.
Hi Guys. (I guess not many women here).
What clubs would you recommend to experience public sex and blowjobs.
Both as a voyeur and as a participant.
There is something with having a girl go down on me with other people walking past that turns me on.
Does this still happen or is it a thing of the past?FKK Globe in Zurich on Tuesday afternoons.
Kalle Kula
10-25-21, 13:23
FKK Globe in Zurich on Tuesday afternoons.Thanks. What's special about Tuesdays?
Switzerland sounds expensive, but they don't have any rules requiring condoms during blowjobs, right?
Wonder if they even do CIM in public?
A new acronym CIMIP. :D
If someone would visit 3 different FKK in Sunday Wednesday and Friday around Frankfurt.
What is your advise on which days should one go where? Good ratio male vs female.
Not all women. I know a bunch of short girls outside of FKK s who are glad they are short, because where I am from that means they get all the options among guys. Tall girls have it very hard here! But I hear this is different from place to place. Some places have more beta's than others.My favorite position is doggy. I have difficulty doing doggy enjoyably with short girls so I choose taller women for this reason even if the shorter girl is better looking.
Thanks. What's special about Tuesdays?
Switzerland sounds expensive, but they don't have any rules requiring condoms during blowjobs, right?
Wonder if they even do CIM in public?
A new acronym CIMIP. :DThey designated a few hours on Tuesday as public sex day. I think they might even lock the rooms so all sex has to be public. The problem is, there can be some guys there just looking for a show, touching themselves with their hands in their robes just inches from you. I don't know about your BJ questions, I think it may depend on the girl.
What do you guys from the US do to exchange to EUR. I checked with my bank and they are asking 1. 23:1 as an exchange rate where online I see it listed as 1. 16. And additional. 07 sounds high to me. Would I get better rates exchanging in Germany or do you know of any other ways to get better rates. It's not bad when you are exchanging small amounts but when you are doing 7 or 8 K it really adds up.
PaulInZurich
10-25-21, 18:36
Thanks. What's special about Tuesdays?
Switzerland sounds expensive, but they don't have any rules requiring condoms during blowjobs, right?
Wonder if they even do CIM in public?
A new acronym CIMIP.Tuesdays at Globe: rooms closed between 14-20, so only public sex possible. Public sex contest starting at 15 with 5 girls plus clients in the central stage area. Condoms during blowjobs only if the client requests it, CIM in public no problem, not only on Tuesday. Not unusual to see public sex on other days of the week either, not just in the Kino but on the couches in the main area as well. Tuesday afternoon attracts some voyeurs who like to get close to the action.
There is also public sex Monday afternoon at Club History in Basel, but I don't know any details about that.
Yes. In 1820, USA was significantly taller than the rest of the world. Around 1880 in when Dutch became taller: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=DEU~NLD~FRA~USA~CHN~SWE.Examine the history and data where in 1820, the only people counted in American human statistics where European descendants and those mostly of Anglo-Saxon backgrounds. Black slaves were not counted as people until after the 1860's. Asians, Italians, and poor Irish came after 1850's. Add in the incorporation of the American southwest with the Latino and indigenous native population and then you see the real picture.
I can't find any info for breaking down American heights by country of ancestral origin. But guessing the influx of southern European gene pool brought down the white American average. Add Hispanic and Asian and then it's obvious why the height average has been lower. We have an obesity nutrition problem here, not a height nutrition problem.
What do you guys from the US do to exchange to EUR. I checked with my bank and they are asking 1. 23:1 as an exchange rate where online I see it listed as 1. 16. And additional. 07 sounds high to me. Would I get better rates exchanging in Germany or do you know of any other ways to get better rates. It's not bad when you are exchanging small amounts but when you are doing 7 or 8 K it really adds up.Charles Schwabb allows you to pull out money from any ATM at base exchange rates, no international fees, and credits all ATM fees at the end of the month.
Chase and Wells Fargo, base rate plus $5 fee and whatever fee the local ATM / bank may charge.
Bank of America, base rate plus 3% of withdrawal amount plus whatever the local fee ATM / bank may charge.
USAA base plus 1%.
Basically, unless you're only pulling out 20-50 bucks, you get a better exchange by just inserting your card in a foreign ATM than having your local branch exchange for you prior to your trip.
My suggestion, open a free Schwabb account online and use it just for international ATM withdrawal. That's what I did years ago and have been paying the real time base exchange rate and no fee ever since. Has also saved me ATM fees when in the US and there was no Chase ATM nearby. I think the only caveat is that you have to open specifically the "investor checking" account which will be tied to a brokerage account. (Makes no difference as there is no obligation to maintain a balance or make trade).
Go with Chuck, he'll save you a buck.
They designated a few hours on Tuesday as public sex day. I think they might even lock the rooms so all sex has to be public. The problem is, there can be some guys there just looking for a show, touching themselves with their hands in their robes just inches from you. I don't know about your BJ questions, I think it may depend on the girl.BBBJ is legal in Switzerland, still quite standard in Germany, very standard in 6 sens NL. Globe organize public sex on Tuesday afternoon to attract voyeurs to make more entries when a slow day. They organize a contest for public sex.
If someone would visit 3 different FKK in Sunday Wednesday and Friday around Frankfurt.
What is your advise on which days should one go where? Good ratio male vs female.Sharks on Sunday before 2 pm for entry 50. Oase on Wednesday. Best on Friday is Sharks, but I could try Palace.
What do you guys from the US do to exchange to EUR. I checked with my bank and they are asking 1. 23:1 as an exchange rate where online I see it listed as 1. 16. And additional. 07 sounds high to me. Would I get better rates exchanging in Germany or do you know of any other ways to get better rates. It's not bad when you are exchanging small amounts but when you are doing 7 or 8 K it really adds up.I use an ATM card. That is what I do. I can't give any comparisons. I assumed it was the best way and have done it a while in different countries. The card needs to say cirrus or maestro on it. You could research that part.
What do you guys from the US do to exchange to EUR. I checked with my bank and they are asking 1. 23:1 as an exchange rate where online I see it listed as 1. 16. And additional. 07 sounds high to me. Would I get better rates exchanging in Germany or do you know of any other ways to get better rates. It's not bad when you are exchanging small amounts but when you are doing 7 or 8 K it really adds up.I would consider opening an account with online banks like Starling Bank or Revolout as they offer the best rates when withdrawing money from abroad. However, DB offers good rates for international withdrawals.
I use an ATM card. That is what I do. I can't give any comparisons. I assumed it was the best way and have done it a while in different countries. The card needs to say cirrus or maestro on it. You could research that part.I want to add that it can help to have a back up. The bank can close off funds for anything suspicious such as using there services in another country. That part can be ridiculous.
I would consider opening an account with online banks like Starling Bank or Revolout as they offer the best rates when withdrawing money from abroad. However, DB offers good rates for international withdrawals.Also if it is big amount in cash like we spend in FKK trip, then I also recommend credit card cashing, I pay in swiss francs about 16 chf fee and I can take out as much as up to 10000 chf cash, if it is big amount for like long FKK trip, it is worth it, small amount for few days at FKK like 1000 chf, not really worth it.
Literally free for any person with a Charles Schwabb bank account that you can open in 5 minutes online.
Literally free for any person with a Charles Schwabb bank account that you can open in 5 minutes online.These posts led me to do some googling. It seems like Capital One is also a good option because it doesn't charge foreign transaction fees. I saw that Starling requires an UK address. I'm not sure if something like Resolut has better exchange rates than something like Scwabb. There are some bad reviews for Resolut. I know banks also charge a fee to use their ATM if you don't have an account with them. E*TRADE refunds that fee domestically at least but charges a 1% foreign transaction fee I noted. Capital One has international Allpoint locations but I don't see any in Germany. That is the state of my ignorance. Without being able to compare side by side what the exchange rates would be I think I'll stick with what I'm doing with zero foreign transaction fees.
So bets are closed. Lol..Sorry guys I was away of here for a long time and it is really mess to view ISG in Turkey because it is banned by our stupid government like many other websites. Except Sauna club Goldentime all of them looks re-opened. I am just curious when they re-opened? I know I should go deep in forum but believe me not easy to find out. Is there anyone who can summarise the current situation shortly and give us a brief history of openings?
If you are speaking about may 2021, I think that the chances that the FKK will be open are around 5% to be positive but more probably 0%. May be 2022 but I will not give more than 50% chances.
For mid May, Switzerland or Spain, but 0 in Germany, or only Kaufmich or Lady. De.
May 2022 perhaps...
Dutch have been taller than Americans since 1890, here is the graph for both nations over time: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=NLD~USA.
But guessing the influx of southern European gene pool brought down the white American average.Largest waves of Italians came in the first two decades of 20th century. For the first half of the 20th century, the difference in height was negligible: Dutch were only about a centimeter taller than Americans: https://teacher.scholastic.com/activities/immigration/pdfs/by_region/region_table.pdf.
Add Hispanic and Asian and then it's obvious why the height average has been lower.The height gap was the greatest in 1960: Dutch men born in 1960 are almost 5 centimeters taller than their Americans counterparts. The age cohort born in 1960 would have reached full adult height around 1980. USA census figures for 1980 show 80 percent White, 12 percent Black, 6 percent Hispanic, 2 percent Asian.
So the question is can 8 percent of the population bring down the population average by almost 5 cms? Doing the math here roughly, but let's say we randomly took 100 White / Black American males born in 1960 and found them to have an average height of 180 cm. If we swapped 8 of those "legacy" Americans out with a shorter Latino / Asian American, the only way you could bring down the average to 175 cm, would be if those 8 people had an average height of 117-118 cm. Latinos and Asians tend to be shorter, but not that short: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States.
So bets are closed. Lol..Sorry guys I was away of here for a long time and it is really mess to view ISG in Turkey because it is banned by our stupid government like many other websites. Except Sauna club Goldentime all of them looks re-opened. I am just curious when they re-opened? I know I should go deep in forum but believe me not easy to find out. Is there anyone who can summarise the current situation shortly and give us a brief history of openings?LR is also closed, like Vanila ex Vertigo. Except Samya, NRW is slow, many GT girls moved to 6 sens NL. Sharks work good, Hessen is open, Finca also. At the moment, 1 good and 5 top girls for my pleasure and a fresh natural Swiss at Globe. Good Summer for sport and for girls.
These posts led me to do some googling. It seems like Capital One is also a good option because it doesn't charge foreign transaction fees. I saw that Starling requires an UK address. I'm not sure if something like Resolut has better exchange rates than something like Scwabb. There are some bad reviews for Resolut. I know banks also charge a fee to use their ATM if you don't have an account with them. E*TRADE refunds that fee domestically at least but charges a 1% foreign transaction fee I noted. Capital One has international Allpoint locations but I don't see any in Germany. That is the state of my ignorance. Without being able to compare side by side what the exchange rates would be I think I'll stick with what I'm doing with zero foreign transaction fees.Again, no better option than Schwabb High-Yield Investor checking. Absolutely no fees, exchange rates as determined by the US central bank, reimburses all out of network ATM fees. Absolutely no different than taking money out of the ATM at your local bank bank.
Literally the absolute best option outside of banks giving you money.
Dutch have been taller than Americans since 1890, here is the graph for both nations over time: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=NLD~USA.
Largest waves of Italians came in the first two decades of 20th century. For the first half of the 20th century, the difference in height was negligible: Dutch were only about a centimeter taller than Americans: https://teacher.scholastic.com/activities/immigration/pdfs/by_region/region_table.pdf.
The height gap was the greatest in 1960: Dutch men born in 1960 are almost 5 centimeters taller than their Americans counterparts. The age cohort born in 1960 would have reached full adult height around 1980. USA census figures for 1980 show 80 percent White, 12 percent Black, 6 percent Hispanic, 2 percent Asian.
So the question is can 8 percent of the population bring down the population average by almost 5 cms? Doing the math here roughly, but let's say we randomly took 100 White / Black American males born in 1960 and found them to have an average height of 180 cm. If we swapped 8 of those "legacy" Americans out with a shorter Latino / Asian American, the only way you could bring down the average to 175 cm, would be if those 8 people had an average height of 117-118 cm. Latinos and Asians tend to be shorter, but not that short: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States.My main contention is that those trends and statistics are not as reliable in a changing nation as one set in a defined border with defined people.
1st, do you think the statistic that average American height dropped 5 cm from 1820 to 1860 is a reflection of declining height within a gene pool? Seems rather odd. Sounds more like bad data.
2nd. I think we all know that Hispanics make up much more than 6% of the US population. This is actually the first time I've ever heard of it being anything lower than 12%. I highly question the veracity of the 6% figure.
3. Dutch height took a big leap forward in the 1930's. How much of that is Dutch growth and how much of that is ethnic cleansing of Jews / Gypsies, etc.
4. Even after the 60's and 80's. American net immigration towers that of the Dutch, especially from shorter countries. Again disputing the veracity of the 6% Hispanic number, pretty sure the number of Hispanics in US is over 50 million. 15% easy.
LR is also closed, like Vanila ex Vertigo. Except Samya, NRW is slow, many GT girls moved to 6 sens NL. Sharks work good, Hessen is open, Finca also. At the moment, 1 good and 5 top girls for my pleasure and a fresh natural Swiss at Globe. Good Summer for sport and for girls.Thanks Sirioja. At least we have Sharks-Oase and World in our hand.
Thanks Sirioja. At least we have Sharks-Oase and World in our hand.Around 100 girls at Sharks on Friday and Saturday and 2 great for me, wish to have my tenth room with one since she started on 9 July when I m her only regular from her first day as she said, but everybody know how I'm different. Oase is not anymore on same level for casting. I don't think for World now. Found 3 really good girls at 6 sens NL, repeating on next week with elegant after real wow discovery and she is really honest when we were over 1 hour. Amira at Samya is so exciting super sexy diva princess, a girl for my fantasies. I made good job in brothels land and deserved from my own way to play. Good game.
1st, do you think the statistic that average American height dropped 5 cm from 1820 to 1860 is a reflection of declining height within a gene pool? Seems rather odd. Sounds more like bad data.Between 1820 and 1860, there was an almost 3 cm decrease in height for American men. Between 1830 and 1840, Ireland lost almost 8 cm of height. Keep in mind these are all birth years. So the wave of short Irish immigrants would have trickled to American shores in the 1850's. Ofc, I am simply making the assumption that during that period when travel was more strenuous, only able-bodied would elect to make the journey: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=NLD~USA~IRL.
2nd. I think we all know that Hispanics make up much more than 6% of the US population. This is actually the first time I've ever heard of it being anything lower than 12%. I highly question the veracity of the 6% figure.For most of the 20th century, Dutch were only 1-2 cm taller than Americans. But since the mid-1970's, Dutch have been about 5 cm taller than Americans. That height gap has remained at about 5 cm over the last 50 years, despite the fact that both Latino and Asian populations have tripled.
Again disputing the veracity of the 6% Hispanic number, pretty sure the number of Hispanics in US is over 50 million. 15% easy.Between 1970 and 1980 (birth year 1950 and 1960) is when the Dutch first increased their lead in the "height race". This happened on the White and Black American's watch, because in 1980, Latinos only made up 6 percent of the population (almost 19 percent in 2020).
Anthropometric historian excludes Hispanic-and-Asian-Americans from his studies, and still found American men to be 2 inches shorter than their American counterparts:
Based on white and black U.S.-born adults, the average American woman is 5 feet 5 inches tall, and the average American man is 5 feet 10 inches tall. Asians and Hispanics, who would make Americans appear even shorter, are excluded to better illuminate how the U.S. compares to Western Europeans. The average Dutch woman is 5 feet 7 inches tall, and the average Dutch man is about 6 feet and a half inch.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/whos-the-tallest-of-them-all-its-no-longer-the-americans-11553254201
Between 1820 and 1860, there was an almost 3 cm decrease in height for American men. Between 1830 and 1840, Ireland lost almost 8 cm of height. Keep in mind these are all birth years. So the wave of short Irish immigrants would have trickled to American shores in the 1850's. Ofc, I am simply making the assumption that during that period when travel was more strenuous, only able-bodied would elect to make the journey: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=NLD~USA~IRL.
For most of the 20th century, Dutch were only 1-2 cm taller than Americans. But since the mid-1970's, Dutch have been about 5 cm taller than Americans. That height gap has remained at about 5 cm over the last 50 years, despite the fact that both Latino and Asian populations have tripled.
Between 1970 and 1980 (birth year 1950 and 1960) is when the Dutch first increased their lead in the "height race". This happened on the White and Black American's watch, because in 1980, Latinos only made up 6 percent of the population (almost 19 percent in 2020).
Anthropometric historian excludes Hispanic-and-Asian-Americans from his studies, and still found American men to be 2 inches shorter than their American counterparts:Ah missed your 1980/6% detail regarding Hispanic Americans. That seems much more believable.
I do recognize the leaps of the Dutch height. My contention remains however: the American height numbers. The gap seems to be most heavily weighted by the rising Dutch height compared to a lesser increasing average American height. Contention remains with the genetic diversity element.
I think the weight on the 20 year gap for birth year to the year where manifestation of height differences is relevant is a bit faulty. Remember, immigrants more often come as grown adults. There will be immediate impact on averages then further effects when the immigrants have children. I think the mid 1960's was the decade that America repealed many exclusion acts related immigration and nation of origin. That was the decade Pacific islanders and southeast Asians came in mass. Similar repeals were granted to poor African nations and subsequently middle eastern countries.
https://www.history.com/news/immigration-act-1965-changes
As far as the excluding Hispanics / Asians artie, I want to point out the distinction of the classification of white Americans. Of the 5 foot 10 white-black American average, Southern Europeans are included, Middle Easterners are included, and perhaps East Indians are included. Would there not still be an expected skewed immigrant influence on the height gap considering that immigration to NL still lags behind Americans? I alluded briefly, but nation of origin matters and white in America is a much larger mix than Northern Euro / Dutch.
Around 100 girls at Sharks on Friday and Saturday and 2 great for me, wish to have my tenth room with one since she started on 9 July when I m her only regular from her first day as she said, but everybody know how I'm different. Oase is not anymore on same level for casting. I don't think for World now. Found 3 really good girls at 6 sens NL, repeating on next week with elegant after real wow discovery and she is really honest when we were over 1 hour. Amira at Samya is so exciting super sexy diva princess, a girl for my fantasies. I made good job in brothels land and deserved from my own way to play. Good game.100 girls is really incredible number. It is always nice to be in Sharks's big lounge. Samya need to be considered also. I hear good things about there nowadays.
100 girls is really incredible number. It is always nice to be in Sharks's big lounge. Samya need to be considered also. I hear good things about there nowadays.I have better to do there, but some guys counted on a Saturday in September, more than 100. I remember on end of 2016 and 2017, I was told about 200 girls on some Fridays at Sharks. Better looks for my eyes and higher pleasure on this Summer than since end of 2016 until covid. Better and more fresh looks than at Globe on this Summer. As I wrote, Samya is exception in slow NRW, maybe also Magnum? With really pretty fresh girls and I enjoy to play with my talent at Samya compare to Turkish, rather than asking for rules. Samya have most exciting sexy princess I saw on this year. 6 sens NL stuck to NRW also worth for quality You can receive there if You are able to play to deserve, on top of what you can get at Globe in bed, discovery with elegant would have been in my top 5 rooms at Globe, but for 100/60. Despite covid, some clubs like Globe, Oase, World, Velbert, Gold a bit, fell but can still get pleasure. Just have to be able to adapt to evolution rather than being stuck like with feet in concrete.
We have an obesity nutrition problem here, not a height nutrition problem.Probably related to high fructose corn syrup as well as glyphosate poisoning.
LR is also closed, like Vanila ex Vertigo. Except Samya, NRW is slow, many GT girls moved to 6 sens NL. Sharks work good, Hessen is open, Finca also. At the moment, 1 good and 5 top girls for my pleasure and a fresh natural Swiss at Globe. Good Summer for sport and for girls.How about YY? Still closed? It's closed for good? What about Babylon, Magnum, and PHG? No good?
How about YY? Still closed? It's closed for good? What about Babylon, Magnum, and PHG? No good?Unfortunately, I m afraid I won t enjoy anymore beautiful high level with good foods and beautiful rooms with shower YY NL where I had so great times with wow girls, fireworks between November 2017 and March 2018, seeing weekly labrador, but staff didn't want I caressed. But I'm afraid this is past, like for LR and wait and see for GT future. Bab Elsdorf is open, Magnum with some GT girls also, PHG also which can worth on Friday or Saturday evening for some Baltics coming to dance like they did before at Vanila ex Vertigo. FKK land is still alive, in Austria, Switzerland even Globe and Amesia fell, Germany and 6 sens NL. Even Spain. Not so bad playfield.
Probably related to high fructose corn syrup as well as glyphosate poisoning.Thanks to MacDo, Cola and they even make our children being fat now. Their obesity kill more than covid.
I think the mid 1960's was the decade that America repealed many exclusion acts related immigration and nation of origin. That was the decade Pacific islanders and southeast Asians came in mass. Similar repeals were granted to poor African nations and subsequently middle eastern countries.Repeal of exclusionary immigration acts in mid-1960's did not result in non-White immigrants coming en masse. I would say a trickle between 1965-1980. And the 1980 census shows that, 92 percent of the USA population was either White or Black. The en masse migration has occurred over the last 30 years, what some refer to as chain migration.
I want to point out the distinction of the classification of white Americans. Of the 5 foot 10 white-black American average, Southern Europeans are included, Middle Easterners are included, and perhaps East Indians are included. Would there not still be an expected skewed immigrant influence on the height gap considering that immigration to NL still lags behind Americans?RE: Groups that may possibly counted as White bringing down the White-American average: Arab-Americans are less than half a percent (2018). Indian-Americans are a little over 1 percent (2010). Italian-Americans are at 5 percent (2017). Even if they are lumped in Whites, they should not be numeric enough to bring down the average by 2-3 inches:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Americans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Americans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Americans
I alluded briefly, but nation of origin matters and white in America is a much larger mix than Northern Euro / Dutch.Ireland is 93 percent White (84 percent Irish and about 9 percent other White), yet per 1960 births they were 2 cm shorter than Americans and 7 cm shorter than the Dutch. Irish ancestry is either the second or third most common in the USA.
Repeal of exclusionary immigration acts in mid-1960's did not result in non-White immigrants coming en masse. I would say a trickle between 1965-1980. And the 1980 census shows that, 92 percent of the USA population was either White or Black. The en masse migration has occurred over the last 30 years, what some refer to as chain migration.
RE: Groups that may possibly counted as White bringing down the White-American average: Arab-Americans are less than half a percent (2018). Indian-Americans are a little over 1 percent (2010). Italian-Americans are at 5 percent (2017). Even if they are lumped in Whites, they should not be numeric enough to bring down the average by 2-3 inches:
Ireland is 93 percent White (84 percent Irish and about 9 percent other White), yet per 1960 births they were 2 cm shorter than Americans and 7 cm shorter than the Dutch. Irish ancestry is either the second or third most common in the USA.Having a hard time keeping track of the main point to push this discussion forward so some reiteration of your point would be helpful. Mine is that these height numbers should be taken with a grain of salt if discussing environmental or dietary influences. Migration patterns on average paints a more clear picture in my eyes.
First, I am not really connecting your data points to what I think is your main argument. I actually see American heights in comparison to the rest of western countries being relatively on par with most of those countries in recent decades, especially since immigration has increased in most western countries to catch up to American rates (but only recently). Even against the Dutch, the average 50 year old Dutch man is 4.9 cm taller than the average 50 yo American. But the average 30 year old Dutchman is now only 3.7 cm taller than the American. Correlate that with the fact that during this same time period, the Dutch finally saw more immigrants unlike in previous decades which I suspect finally tempered their height explosions. I'll talk more on this later.
This article with a useful infographic breaks down the immigration waves of America and dominant immigrant group (Martin, 2014). We could use your height by birth year graph as a point of comparison:
https://www.prb.org/resources/trends-in-migration-to-the-u-s/
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=NLD~USA
America's first migration wave was the Anglo-Saxon group. The proto-colonial-American can be used as a baseline for the genepool.
The second immigration wave was when American immigration was dominated by Southern and Eastern Europeans. But also Irish which my infographic does not explicitly label. American heights by birth year declined pretty steadily from 1830 to 1890 birth years which I would assume to be roughly correlated by average heights from 1850 to 1910 (+20 years). The Irish started coming in the 1820's but in mass during the Great Potato famine of the 1840's and 1850's. Coincidentally, that was also the beginning of declining American height by birth year. Italians actually started coming in the 1880's and through the early 1900's. Average American heights by birth year coincidentally showed a steeper dip correlating with that ethnic group. (Refer to your height-age graph against American immigration graph to verify).
The third American immigration wave (from around 1915 to 1965) occurred when immigration quotas were placed and subsequently was a time when American immigration was a bit low and dominated by Western Europeans. Coincidentally, that was the same period, using your graph of heights by birth years provided, that the heights of men born in those years began to rise and were almost lockstep between the Netherlands and America. Adjusting for whatever lag of birth year to present height, American and Dutch heights seem to move synchronously when the immigrant wave was dominated by people of similar genetics and people from differing gene pools were restricted from entering the United States. (Again correlate with graphs).
As for the fourth wave (post 1965), most western nations seemed to have leveled their height growth during this correlating time period. Add UK, France, Sweden, Norway, Germany, etc to your height plot and you will see similar height growth patterns. Germany saw a little bump with people born between 1970's and 1980's and that might have something to do with reunification, just a guess as it is an outlier.
Now as for the Dutch height explosions, examine the Dutch migration history (Zorlu and Hartog, 2001). The Dutch saw their greatest height boom in those born between the 1930's and 1960's. Correspondingly, during the same time, WWII occurred (no migration). After WWII, NL saw a long period of net migration out, superseding immigration. At the same time (after WWII), birth surplus in NL was uncharacteristically high. Add the fact that this was a poor economic post war era, one could easily conclude that there is a strong correlation between high reproduction rates of the native Dutch gene pool and the resulting height boom of people born during this time. When immigration resumed after, Dutch heights leveled, much like the rest of the western world.
https://papers.tinbergen.nl/01042.pdf
Reiterating my point: Migration patterns is the biggest factor of these height change patterns.
Having a hard time keeping track of the main point to push this discussion forward so some reiteration of your point would be helpful. Mine is that these height numbers should be taken with a grain of salt if discussing environmental or dietary influencesLatinos-Asians are not numeric enough to bring down the average much. Despite being 7-10 cm shorter, my guess is that they only bring down the average 1-2 cm. And in the mid-1970's when the NL-to-USA height gap first reached 5 cm, their ability to bring down the average would have been even less.
Even against the Dutch, the average 50 year old Dutch man is 4.9 cm taller than the average 50 yo American. But the average 30 year old Dutchman is now only 3.7 cm taller than the American. Correlate that with the fact that during this same time period, the Dutch finally saw more immigrants unlike in previous decades which I suspect finally tempered their height explosions..USA closed the gap by 1.2 cm at roughly the same time the Latino population went from 6 to 18 percent and the Asian population went from 2 to 6 percent. Given the explosive growth of Latinos and Asians, we would have expected the opposite to happen. In other words, the height gap to grow from 4. 9 cm to 5. 9 cm. Dutch have seen non-White immigration over the last few decades, but I would be surprised if it is anywhere near the levels of the USA over the last 30 years. I do not believe "Great Replacement Theory" is anywhere near a concern in NL as it is in the USA. Moreover many of NL's immigrants are from EU or Middle East, or colonies, Black Surinamese for instance, so one would expect that NL would have been more easily been able to hold on or increase their 4. 9 cm height gap.
https://www.prb.org/resources/trends-in-migration-to-the-u-s/
This infographic backs up the figures I found. Despite immigration quotas being lifted, most of the Hispanic and Asian immigration happened much later than mid-1960's. And the period when the NL-to-USA height gap first reached 5 cm was a time when USA was almost entirely White / Black. The South European gene, I am not sure how prevalent it is outside of the Northeast. The fact that pizza was relatively exotic food item until the mid-1950's underscores how little contact most Americans had with Italian-Americans. And while there were a few decades when Italians came in large waves, many stayed only for a short period. Wiki on Italian-Americans: "An estimated 49 per cent of Italians who migrated to the Americas between 1905 (when return migration statistics began) and 1920 did not remain in the United States. These so-called "birds of passage", intended to stay in the United States for only a limited time, followed by a return to Italy with enough in savings to re-establish themselves there".
America's first migration wave was the Anglo-Saxon group. The proto-colonial-American can be used as a baseline for the genepool.Based on 1830 births, USA was 5. 4 cm than brethren back in the UK. Only one decade since then has the UK been taller than USA. Perhaps the Anglo gene is to blame for not being able to achieve the Dutch heights? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-height-of-men-for-selected-countries?country=USA~GBR~IRL.
Reiterating my point: Migration patterns is the biggest factor of these height change patterns.It depends how many arrive, how large the native population is to begin with, and how long the migrant population stays. Average family size will matter too, but probably will not manifest until a few generations in the country. Unless there is a significant pull-factor, most nations would place a quota on how many foreigners arrive.
Latinos-Asians are not numeric enough to bring down the average much. Despite being 7-10 cm shorter, my guess is that they only bring down the average 1-2 cm. And in the mid-1970's when the NL-to-USA height gap first reached 5 cm, their ability to bring down the average would have been even less.
USA closed the gap by 1.2 cm at roughly the same time the Latino population went from 6 to 18 percent and the Asian population went from 2 to 6 percent. Given the explosive growth of Latinos and Asians, we would have expected the opposite to happen. In other words, the height gap to grow from 4. 9 cm to 5. 9 cm. Dutch have seen non-White immigration over the last few decades, but I would be surprised if it is anywhere near the levels of the USA over the last 30 years. I do not believe "Great Replacement Theory" is anywhere near a concern in NL as it is in the USA. Moreover many of NL's immigrants are from EU or Middle East, or colonies, Black Surinamese for instance, so one would expect that NL would have been more easily been able to hold on or increase their 4. 9 cm height gap..-Height gap by birth year peaked in 1960 so I think actual height gap peak would manifest closer to 1980's. During the recent US migration wave, Western Euros saw even more immigration proportionally. In the case of the Dutch, 5-10 x more. That's significant.
-Yes Asian-Latino immigration took off a bit after the 1965 repeals. It was heavier in the 80's, and 90's. Then that would be referenced on your birth year graph as men born around 1960, the peak gap in birth year. What happened to the gap in men born in between 1960 and 1970? It narrowed. So these men born in the 1960's would have been the same immigrants who came in the 1980's and 1990's, Asian-Latino surge years.
-Equally important is what happened in NL. Reference previous post regarding lack of immigration into NL in the decades prior to the 1960's. The height gap peaked in men born before 1960, actual manifestation of average height gap probably around 1980. After 1960 was when immigration surplus returned to NL. In short, Dutch Baby Boomers without immigration heavily correlates with the height gap jump.
Let's discuss peak potential considering gene pool:
- NL has been an emigrate nation for the centuries up until second half of the 20th. More homogenous Dutch gene pool until after the 1970's. Therefore baseline of Dutch height shouldn't be considered established until around that time. Americans however saw continuous immigration through the 19th century. Perhaps in 1920 when "undesirable" immigration was reduced should be what we take as the American baseline.
In 2017 17 million people identified as Italian American, 5.5-6%. That's about the same as non Hispanic Asian Americans. Add the 15+% Hispanic, 6% Asian, all the various middle easterners and eastern Europeans and you have at least 1/3 non Anglo and non black Americans. Add that black Americans are about an inch shorter than the average Caucasian American, add all those other non Dutch-Nordic-areas and it would be expected that average American heights would be less than the average Dutch or surrounding nations.
I would love to see the average height of American born Dutch-Americans. I bet it's within half a centimeter of native Dutch.
I remember on 90's when Barcelona dream team with Jordan Bulls, Magic Johnson Lakers, Charles Barkley Suns, Larry Bird Celtics, there was a NBA team leader who was I think less than 160.
I remember on 90's when Barcelona dream team with Jordan Bulls, Magic Johnson Lakers, Charles Barkley Suns, Larry Bird Celtics, there was a NBA team leader who was I think less than 160.Given I remember all those names from when I was very young (NBA today sucks in comparison), I am quite sure the guy you are thinking of was active in the 80's and not in the 90's. And I'm guessing his name was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Since I played with him in some old silly basketball video game back in the days when he had 2 x the speed of all the other players. Completely silly overpowered.
Damn, I guess I must have mixed him up with another guy. Just googled him, and Abdul-Jabbar is a giant in size.
In 2017 17 million people identified as Italian American, 5.5-6%. That's about the same as non Hispanic Asian Americans. Add the 15+% Hispanic, 6% Asian, all the various middle easterners and eastern Europeans and you have at least 1/3 non Anglo and non black Americans. Add that black Americans are about an inch shorter than the average Caucasian American, add all those other non Dutch-Nordic-areas and it would be expected that average American heights would be less than the average Dutch or surrounding nations.Using 2017 figures, the number of Hispanics and Asians becomes slightly more significant. Again if we say that 180 cm is the average height of White / Black American. I will even round up the combined Latino and Asian Americans to be 35 percent. In order for 35 percent of the population to bring down the population average a full 5 cm down to say 175 cm:
(180*65)+ 35 x = 175*100.
The 35 percent would need to average about 165 cm. I believe the average for Latino and Asian Americans males is about 169 cm. But as I said the 5 cm gap first appeared based on 1960 births, so possibly mid-1980's population as you acknowledge. I would guess that the combined Latino and Asian populations in the mid-1980's was almost certainly under 15 percent at that time.
As late as 1990, USA's immigrant population was a little under 8 percent. Coincidentally, NL's immigrant population in 1990 was also a little less than 8 percent.
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/NLD/netherlands/immigration-statistics
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time
I would love to see the average height of American born Dutch-Americans. I bet it's within half a centimeter of native Dutch.I would guess that there are not many Americans of pure Dutch ancestry. There are however South-Africans of almost pure or at least predominantly Dutch ancestry. If you compare White-Afrikaners to White Americans, I would guess that there is significantly more Dutch ancestry in the former. The average height of a White South African male is 176 cm, which is several cm shorter than the White American who probably has very little Dutch ancestry, but more German, Anglo, or Irish ancestry: https://www.medicalbrief.co.za/black-south-african-men-have-been-inching-up-over-the-past-30-years/.
I remember on 90's when Barcelona dream team with Jordan Bulls, Magic Johnson Lakers, Charles Barkley Suns, Larry Bird Celtics, there was a NBA team leader who was I think less than 160.Not a single Dream Teamer was even less than 180 cm.
Damn, I guess I must have mixed him up with another guy. Just googled him, and Abdul-Jabbar is a giant in size.Muggsy Bogues was 5'3" inches and played in the NBA.
Not a single Dream Teamer was even less than 180 cm.I wrote while dream team, not in dream team. Bogues Charlotte 160 and famous Jordan didn't like him. 15 NBA players with not more than 175. Internet talk, even less than real field.
BigBuddy69
10-31-21, 09:17
Not a single Dream Teamer was even less than 180 cm.You're omitting the Shire all stars team, with the Baggins guys, Merry, Pippin and Sam.
They're idolized by vertically challenged delusional people.
PaulInZurich
10-31-21, 16:45
Muggsy Bogues was 5'3" inches and played in the NBA.Clearly just making it in the NBA was an achievement for somebody his size, but he wasn't a "team leader". Career high season was 11 points per game. He was popular because of his size.
Clearly just making it in the NBA was an achievement for somebody his size, but he wasn't a "team leader". Career high season was 11 points per game. He was popular because of his size.Watch on your internet: not told he was leading his team game? Going between tall, giving good balls to others? How many passes? Maybe why not so many points for him, when Jordan wanted all Bulls play only for him and didn't like Scotti Pippen talent. You don't seem to understand much about sports, for sure easier when you are used to sports rather than only watching on TV or internet. I think he was shortest, but other less than 170 played NBA. Messi would be very short, not much more than 160 if Barcelona didn't give him pills. Not sure he would be not so good when we had great player in France, 163 Alain Giresse with stronger kick than Messi. Look on internet RFA vs France in Sevilla 1982, best ever French football team, better than 1998 and 2018.
PaulInZurich
10-31-21, 19:50
Watch on your internet: not told he was leading his team game? Going between tall, giving good balls to others? How many passes? Maybe why not so many points for him, when Jordan wanted all Bulls play only for him and didn't like Scotti Pippen talent. You don't seem to understand much about sports, for sure easier when you are used to sports rather than only watching on TV or internet. I think he was shortest, but other less than 170 played NBA. Messi would be very short, not much more than 160 if Barcelona didn't give him pills. Not sure he would be not so good when we had great player in France, 163 Alain Giresse with stronger kick than Messi. Look on internet RFA vs France in Sevilla 1982, best ever French football team, better than 1998 and 2018.Being a point guard doesn't make one a team leader in basketball. Undisputed team leaders in Charlotte at the time were Alonzo Mourning (Hall of Fame, 7 times All Star and twice defensive player of the year) and Larry Johnson (2 times All Star). Muggsy Bogues didn't get selected in any All Star game, never mind to make it in the NBA Hall of Fame. He was a decent player, he was a starter for a while, but he was never the best player on any team in the NBA. Bringing up Messi or Giresse is completely irrelevant, different sport and different people. I agree that short people are normally better at gymnastics.
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I wrote while dream team, not in dream team. Bogues Charlotte 160 and famous Jordan didn't like him. 15 NBA players with not more than 175. Internet talk, even less than real field.You're right. We all have heroes.
Where is the best city to go to fuck Swedish or Danish escort top stunner beauty girl? London?
Definitely not Stockholm as I met a lot of Swedish guys at Artemis LOL.
Being a point guard doesn't make one a team leader in basketball. Undisputed team leaders in Charlotte at the time were Alonzo Mourning (Hall of Fame, 7 times All Star and twice defensive player of the year) and Larry Johnson (2 times All Star). Muggsy Bogues didn't get selected in any All Star game, never mind to make it in the NBA Hall of Fame. He was a decent player, he was a starter for a while, but he was never the best player on any team in the NBA. Bringing up Messi or Giresse is completely irrelevant, different sport and different people. I agree that short people are normally better at gymnastics.Bogues passed balls to tall. Maradona never said he was impressed by Messi when he was impressed by Giresse when both played in 80's, but I agree not same business for football in 80's and Bordeaux is not Barcelona. I didn't write Giresse was better player than Messi, but 163 and stronger kick than Messi, stronger than Platini, Zidane, not meaning better. Same like on bicycle, Champs Elysees or Poggio or Huy, or extreme steep are very different sport, even for best professionals.
PaulInZurich
11-01-21, 16:51
Bogues passed balls to tall.Sure, he was the third best player in the team. So, not a team leader.
PaulInZurich
11-01-21, 17:09
Bogues passed balls to tall. Maradona never said he was impressed by Messi when he was impressed by Giresse when both played in 80's, but I agree not same business for football in 80's and Bordeaux is not Barcelona. I didn't write Giresse was better player than Messi, but 163 and stronger kick than Messi, stronger than Platini, Zidane, not meaning better. Messi or Giresse or whatever other football player now or in the 80's has nothing to do if Bogues was the team leader or not. Bogues was a point guard and the job of the point guard is to bring the ball up court and to distribute the ball. That alone does not make him a team leader. LeBron James is not a point guard and I doubt anybody can say he is not the team leader wherever he plays.
OK, look guys. This whole conversation is a ridiculous waste of time. I know this is the lounge where we can (and should) have more latitude, but this has become asinine. Let me tell you all something. I am a huge basketball fan OK? Both at the college and pro level here in the United States. And I'll tell you something else. I watched Tyrone "Muggsy" Bogues play throughout his entire college career, and then his move on to the pros, which was indeed an incredible feat for somebody of his stature. But, here's the truth of the matter. He was indeed a leading player at Wake Forest University, and that's what helped him to make the giant leap to the professional level. But, he absolutely was not a team leader in the National Basketball Association over the course of his career in terms of being star producer on the court. No, his main claim to fame came from being essentially an oddity to the game, along with Manute Bol who was actually his teammate at one time, and one of the tallest men to ever play in the NBA. Bogues had skills, and was an incredible talent for being only 5'3". However, his impact and leadership in the NBA was nothing compared to what he did at the high school and then the university level of the game. I know this to be true. I watched him play over the course of his entire career. Now, can we please get back to tits, pussy, and ass please? At least tangentially even?
Messi or Giresse or whatever other football player now or in the 80's has nothing to do if Bogues was the team leader or not. Bogues was a point guard and the job of the point guard is to bring the ball up court and to distribute the ball. That alone does not make him a team leader. LeBron James is not a point guard and I doubt anybody can say he is not the team leader wherever he plays.I meant small but organizing his team game, I never wrote he was ever MVP. I should have also written I'm much lighter than Sagan, helping in steep. Small Giresse was on Platini and Zidane level for me, but not a star in his mind.
You're omitting the Shire all stars team, with the Baggins guys, Merry, Pippin and Sam.
They're idolized by vertically challenged delusional people.I read something once about 12% of all Americans above a certain height played in the NBA.
Goes to show what a silly sport it really is.
I believe it was 12% of every man over 2.10 m.
Where is the best city to go to fuck Swedish or Danish escort top stunner beauty girl? London?
Definitely not Stockholm as I met a lot of Swedish guys at Artemis LOL.Well, I fucked a hot blonde from Gothenburg, Sweden at Globe in Zurich. She was a real winner, and the only Swedish girl I have ever been with! Then, before I could call myself a monger really, I fucked a blonde, Danish girl working one of the windows in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. Made me always want a little "Danish" in the mornings after that hahaha! I recall that after the deed was done and I was leaving, there was a crowd of guys standing around who clapped and cheered loudly! I just kept my head down and got out of there as I did not want any unnecessary attention being drawn to me.
Where is the best city to go to fuck Swedish or Danish escort top stunner beauty girl? London?
Definitely not Stockholm as I met a lot of Swedish guys at Artemis LOL.Go to Copenhagen if you want Danish girls. Denmark has the best sex scene of Nordic countries IMO.
Where is the best city to go to fuck Swedish or Danish escort top stunner beauty girl? London?
Definitely not Stockholm as I met a lot of Swedish guys at Artemis LOL.Try any Spanish beaches. Maybe in the Malaga or Alicante region. Or perhaps on Gran Canaria or Mallorca.
OK, look guys. This whole conversation is a ridiculous waste of time. I know this is the lounge where we can (and should) have more latitude, but this has become asinine. Let me tell you all something. I am a huge basketball fan OK? Both at the college and pro level here in the United States. And I'll tell you something else. I watched Tyrone "Muggsy" Bogues play throughout his entire college career, and then his move on to the pros, which was indeed an incredible feat for somebody of his stature. But, here's the truth of the matter. He was indeed a leading player at Wake Forest University, and that's what helped him to make the giant leap to the professional level. But, he absolutely was not a team leader in the National Basketball Association over the course of his career in terms of being star producer on the court. No, his main claim to fame came from being essentially an oddity to the game, along with Manute Bol who was actually his teammate at one time, and one of the tallest men to ever play in the NBA. Bogues had skills, and was an incredible talent for being only 5'3". However, his impact and leadership in the NBA was nothing compared to what he did at the high school and then the university level of the game. I know this to be true. I watched him play over the course of his entire career. Now, can we please get back to tits, pussy, and ass please? At least tangentially even?For sure he was not Shawn Kempf Sonics for dunk contest, when Kempf was not a NBA height giant, but didn't mini organize Charlotte game, passing balls to tall? What I call leading the game, when Jordan was a leader, asking all team to play for him and some players like Pippen couldn't play how they were able. But in Barcelona where dream team didn't play only for him, Sir Charles Barkley Suns was more impressive than him. Same than Messi with Etoo or Ibrahimovic in Barcelona, all team only for him, but with Argentina, he was never like Maradona. Claimed leader are not always best for, same than claimed specialists I remember when I started, understanding when hearing them, we were so different so we couldn't play and experience same. For sure these specialists didn't like, when I prefer to be just me and my way, like in outside life.
PaulInZurich
11-02-21, 07:26
Well, I fucked a hot blonde from Gothenburg, Sweden at Globe in Zurich. She was a real winner, and the only Swedish girl I have ever been with!.Amanda, Finnish / Swedish? Fake boobs, erect nipples, pink backdoor available.
Try any Spanish beaches. Maybe in the Malaga or Alicante region. Or perhaps on Gran Canaria or Mallorca.Years ago I tried the Spanish beaches and Scandinavia admiring the Nordic beauties but ended up just having to console my hard on.
Amanda, Finnish / Swedish? Fake boobs, erect nipples, pink backdoor available.Unfortunately, I don't remember her name (was a long time ago), but I did enjoy her pink backdoor as well as some great "skull" (she was throwing that pretty blonde hair every which way). And she was quite clear that she was from Gothenburg, Sweden. Said she would fly in and work 3 or so days a week and make a lot of money fucking, then fly back home to Sweden. Again, this was years ago.
Go to Copenhagen if you want Danish girls. Denmark has the best sex scene of Nordic countries IMO.Prostitution is allowed in Denmark? Germany suburb.
PaulInZurich
11-02-21, 16:01
Unfortunately, I don't remember her name (was a long time ago), but I did enjoy her pink backdoor as well as some great "skull" (she was throwing that pretty blonde hair every which way). And she was quite clear that she was from Gothenburg, Sweden. Said she would fly in and work 3 or so days a week and make a lot of money fucking, then fly back home to Sweden. Again, this was years ago.Quite possible it was her if it was 2013 or 2014. There is a small Finnish minority living in Sweden and Amanda said she was part of it. I remember she was not working very much since she had a regular job too. At some point she got Swiss residency. She moved later from Globe to Westside because it was easier to get the flexible schedule that she wanted. In the end she was working independent, she posted a bit in the Swiss forum end of 2015.
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