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PussyLiccker

10-27-13, 03:00

The good old times. I's sure most guys were satisfied with less (service / looks) years ago. Same for me. You are getting spoiled. So times are not worse, they are different. For me at least.

HBThat's not what I commonly hear from monger's from the olden days, all of them tell me the optics has declined. Atlantis thread is an interesting read. Here are some reports of recent line-ups at Oase from a mongerer from 2008.

Went to Oase 2 weeks ago and I have to admit, having first been there in 2008, it seems somewhat less populated by beautiful girls. Back in those days we had a choice of gals from all over the world, almost all eastern european countries were represented. Ah Olivia from Poland. Yummy, whereas today almost 90% are from RU! Go figure.

One of the old timers I always date when at Oase is the gorgeous little Croatian babe Verona. I was surprised to see her there this time around and did not waste anytime taking her to a room, what an ass guys. I mean I just love to bend her over and stick my tongue inside here fantastic, sexy and clean butthole. Natural tits and god she knows how to suck that cock, no upselling with her, great DFK, total GFE and to finish it all, a furious asspounding where she did the helicopter on my cock, you just cannot beat the pros, and she is the ultimate one.

Now let's talk about the GG quality, well as it is almost the case all over europe these days, almost 90% of the gals were from Rumania, gone are all those Polish, German, Croatian and Ukranian girls of yesteryears. The Service sucks, these new gals are sharks, they seldom offer you good sex for 50 euros and most of them are openly telling you that a good time can be had starting from 100 euros and up. I went with a gal claiming to be Turkish, yeah right, to finally find out that she was also from Ru. Fiden was her name, nice face, gorgeous eyes and for 100 euro I fucked the living daylight out of her, she is one of the few nice gals left in there. The oldies, Steffi and Verona were also there but they look a little bit used up tese, so I passed. I need to find a new spot as the service at Oase as well as Palace have drastically changed.

Hessen Bub

10-27-13, 17:46

That's not what I commonly hear from monger's from the olden days, all of them tell me the optics has declined. Atlantis thread is an interesting read.You've been there, at Atlantis? I was. I can tell you about service levels and optics.

HB

PussyLiccker

10-27-13, 18:06

You've been there, at Atlantis? I was. I can tell you about service levels and optics.

HBNo, I started punting late. Was that pretty much the line-up? It looks quite thin. I was expecting Oase level numbers. Oase groupshot has lots more girls, but don't know what year that's from, I know Atlantis closed down 2004. Thanks for the pictures. :)

Hessen Bub

10-27-13, 18:15

Yes, Atlantis closed in March 2004. Reopened for a few weeks end of summer. Final shut down in October. Atlantis did have 90-100 girls on a Friday or Saturday night. Diverse in nationalities, but also in service levels and optics, age, weight, height.

HB

Brazil Specialist

10-28-13, 08:21

I just skimmed thru "Bubba Boy's Rio Guide." Sounds like termas are similar to sauna clubs. Any food? Entry seems cheaper but the rates (40 min) seems a bit more higher (granted extras such as CIM and anal seem to be included provided she offers it).

Any hotels recommendations?Google.

Hotel Princess Copacabana Rua Xavier the Silveira.

It is just a few blocks from my apartment.

I also rent rooms. But it is not like the old days. First, Rio options dropped a lot, prices went up. Second right now I have a great gf, but she scares off the paid competition.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3281-Brazil-Specialist-s-Rental-Apartments

Maybe some of the guys that badmouthed me will post even here. Your loss.

One of the problems is that now I mainly rent to non-mongers, so you can not really misbehave like in the good old days. I remember the US$ 2 f. Cks about 20 years ago, and $20 pimps bothering me constantly trying to get me to sample new fresh talent of unspoiled next door type girls. Or 30 years ago when the termas were US$20, but they ripped off the gringos to US$ 40.

Now there is nothing under US$ 15, and that is a quickie at not so clean places that you would not easily find. I don't think you can get a termas for under US$ 200. Oh, the best places are downtown and Tijuca daytime massage parlors for about US$ 60 an hour, a bit less for half an hour.

Some girl options still exist.

The fact that paying is legal, but any kind of intermediating is illegal makes p4p a money source to police.

Brazil is my favorite place in the world to monger! I like anal, and as I have said many times before, my LAA (Lifetime Anal Average) there is a full 70 percent! It could be 100 per cent if I were more disciplined, but even an anal connoisseur needs a break from the A-hole every now and then!

There's a ton of material here on this site about Brazil. If you want some idea of how the women look, check out the photo gallery. I posted many photos there myself under the heading "Cane's Calvalcade 'O Putas". I also have an extensive field report with more pictures in "Reports of Distinction" entitled "The Cane's Latest Greatest Rio Adventures!". Also see "Bubba Boy's Rio Guide" for a quick primer on how things work in Rio generally speaking. It's a bit dated, but there's still good intel there. There's more than enough info here to allow you to educate yourself about Rio if you're interested.

I've found that guys who love Thailand tend not to take to Rio so well. I mean, Rio is more like the FKK scene is that you have a lot of places spread out all over the place. And yet, I find it better than FKKLand from a logistical standpoint in that all of the termas are located within the same city. Granted it's a big, sprawling city with a lot of traffic and all that, but it's not like going to Shark's one day, then way over here to World the next day, and then stopping off at Mainhatten on day three. Also, there is a subway system if you want to use that.

It just seems to me that a lot of the Thailand hands like the way that things are "clustered" into zones there with bright lights and tutes out in the streets asking,"Where you go?" and all that kind of thing. Also, Thai women tend to have a different kind of build. Brazil lovers like those plump, round, bubble butt bundas (_I_) on the Brazilian girls while Thai hands go for a more thin look. Don't get me wrong. You can find plenty of thin in Brazil. And the girls come in a rainbow of colors. But, if you are an ass lover like me and seek the PSE versus the GFE, then no place in the world tops Brazil! OK, I've made my pitch!True. There are girls that LOVE anal.

For tit and belly fans like me, you have a very hard time to do a boob check before committing to a girl. And most Romanians don't have the first kid at age 15 and the second at age 18. So it is hard to find pristine bodies, though they do exist, thankfully.

I'm sorry if this off topic from FKK clubs, but I want to ask people that has been to German clubs. Besides the Swiss clubs. Which countries do you guys like to find good services at? How is Austria? Anybody been to latin countries, and how is it comparable to German clubs in terms of looks / services / price? I think I've exhaused Germany and looking for my next destination.A friend of mine raved about 1-2 clubs in Austria, I think Innsbruck, Vienna, and one in the countryside near some lake.

Brazil, read above

Surfer

10-28-13, 13:23

But it is not like the old days. First, Rio options dropped a lot, prices went up. Second right now I have a great gf, but she scares off the paid competition.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3281-Brazil-Specialist-s-Rental-Apartments

The festinhas in your apartment were the best times ever in Brasil! Is Madame Claudia still around arranging those sweet newbies from Niteroi? Staying at your place was garota overload. It was like a constant stream of hotties would drop by at unexpected times. Can't believe it has been 10 years since Caranaval 2003, my last trip to Brasil.

The Cane

11-08-13, 03:54

MrManGuy

11-08-13, 11:04

Is Europe, Germany worth the visit in Feb?

MrManGuy

11-08-13, 12:13

Is there some sort of event in Germany on 8 feb?

Banana Boi

11-09-13, 03:54

Is there some sort of event in Germany on 8 feb?Http://www.messefrankfurt.com/content/corporate/frankfurt/en/messe/publikationen/messekalender/

if FRA isn't your destination city the search Google "city Messe calendar".

FiddyCent

11-09-13, 04:50

Well, the Biebs likes Brazilian tutes too hahahaha!

http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/65957/brazilian-prostitute-takes-a-video-of-justin-bieber-passed-out-after-she-f-cked-him-to-sleep.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_4008045853&feature=iv&src_vid=X1VP3ooUEcY&v=kMuMKg2oh88Hello The Cane.

I guess the Biebs misses Selena Gomez more than he leads on. Vin Diesel was also seen leaving Centaurus. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/americas/rio-fights-vice-before-world-cup-but-brothels-endure.html

Don't think the media will give a SH! T if they ever see me walking out of that place.

FiddyCent

Creature2

11-09-13, 11:37

As I always travel by rental car in Germany, I try to receive quotes from different sources.

Most of the time Thrifty and Dollars gives the best rate but I read many times that this company is a total rip-off in Germany.

How about Enterprise? Anybody has experince on that Enterprise. They also give good rates in Dusseldorf for midweek rentals.

I always try to rent from the bigger companies such as Sixt, Hertz, Budget, Avis and Europcar but if this USS Enterprise is trustable, I want to sample it at least once. I saw that their office was in the DUS arrival terminal and the parking building is the same with Sixt, but only the upper floors. LOL.

Last week, Sixt asked me 40 Euro / day additional premium for CDW, for a small Peugeot 208. Midweek rates was high, maybe there was a Messe or something in the city, all other companies has run out the cars, only Sixt has the availability (They have two floors of parking in DUS)

What about USS Enterprise?

Aye Captain

Golda Meir

11-09-13, 12:08

As I always travel by rental car in Germany, I try to receive quotes from different sources.

Most of the time Thrifty and Dollars gives the best rate but I read many times that this company is a total rip-off in Germany.

How about Enterprise? Anybody has experince on that Enterprise. They also give good rates in Dusseldorf for midweek rentals.Many Enterprise rates are not unlimited mileage; it can be something like 200 kms per day, or 1800 per week. Make sure this works for you. Also, category definitions are notoriously misleading with Enterprise: if you want a compact car, reserve an intermediate one. Finally, note that Germany requires winter tires during the winter. The extra charge can be significant. Budget includes it in the rate.

Varenne

11-09-13, 12:53

if this USS Enterprise is trustable, I want to sample it at least once. I saw that their office was in the DUS arrival terminal and the parking building is the same with Sixt, but only the upper floors. LOL.Never had any glitch with Enterprise at DUS terminal. At not airport stations be ready to provide an address in Germany (Hotel address is fine, they will call to check if you are expected) , also sometimes they give you a car with a fuel tank not full, just bring it back as you received it and you're fine, never had a dispute.

MrManGuy

11-10-13, 00:54

Http://www.messefrankfurt.com/content/corporate/frankfurt/en/messe/publikationen/messekalender/

If FRA isn't your destination city the search Google "city Messe calendar".I wouldn't know if any of those are big enough events. It was just that the date I wanted to visit, the hotel I stayed at last time was booked out and expensive, the week latter it was cheap again. Might not do it because I hear winters can be pretty bad.

Mr Ho

11-12-13, 06:30

Hi Ilink,

When you say you spend $10K visiting German FKK clubs, is that per trip or is that per year?

To give context, on my last trip I spent over $4K (including flights, accomodation, car hire). I mean the FKK club entry fees alone was $500. This can be a usual spend on a trip. Also, I read a report some time ago how someone spent €11K in the clubs on one trip.

You are making me feel scared that I am addicted as well.I come from Asia and I travel to Germany twice a year just for fkk, nothing else.

Normally each travel is one week each. Each trip cost me about 6000Euro and I spend 12000Euro.

I calm down a lot now as before I knew FKK, I was doing escort and that was expensive.

My trips to German FKK is not cheap either, but for me it is one week everyday sex all day (my budget is about 500euro per day) , so it is worth it for me and after each trip, I am like I do not want sex anymore for like few weeks.

When I first discover fkk in 2010, I was more crazy though, I was staying in Germany for 2 to 3 weeks each trip and I had hard time controlling myself. I was going to fkk everyday during my stay just fucking. Toward the end, it get hard and I felt like I was the one who working in fkk.

I think there are people like me who travel far every now and then to have sex holiday at German fkk, it is much better than going to the beach for me. Plus cost performance of fkk is much better than any other brothel or escort.

In closing, I just discovered this forum recently, it is cool thing that we can discuss about fkk etc. Because going to fkk is my secret hobby, so I cannot discuss it in my private life with friends.

PussyLiccker

11-12-13, 14:28

I wouldn't know if any of those are big enough events. It was just that the date I wanted to visit, the hotel I stayed at last time was booked out and expensive, the week latter it was cheap again. Might not do it because I hear winters can be pretty bad.I believe if you check the hotel prices for those dates that the calendar shows as Messe or other event, you will know that it's mostly likely a big event if the hotel prices shoots up. Or the other way around, check the prices for dates you are interesting in going, if it's much higher than normal, there must be some reason for that and the Messe calendar would show it. What's interesting is that hotels set the prices ahead of time for the price comparison websites. Also, the prices doesn't seem to change if you book much earlier or close to when you arrive as the prices has been set ahead of time. That's what I like about German hotels, they will not try to raise the price even if you are getting near the date. Also, lodgging is higher for certain parts over other. For example, FRA lodging tends to be lower than DUSS.

Optimist

11-13-13, 12:15

It never ceases to amaze me how well the girl "stasi" as HB put it works. My latest experience is when I was in a session with a girl in one club and I talked briefly about a mutual acquaintance (call her A.). Two days later A, who is working in a different part of Germany, contacted me and in the telephone call told me off for talking about her.

Similarly a girl at World when I met her for the first time knew all about a little story involving another girl 18 months previously.

It's not easy to be incognito. Seems it's ok for the girls to talk about us but not for us to talk LOL

Optimist

11-13-13, 12:20

Budget is always good for me (if you keep within the limited mileage). I would avoid Thrifty / Dollar like the plague.

Last time Budget were going to charge me 10E for fuel as the fuel gauge was a bit shy of full. I explained that it was a feature of the car and they immediately took the 10 euro off. Excellent service.

I also find hertz excellent. And often very good prices.

Normally I book through Auto- europe

Craiova

11-13-13, 15:39

It never ceases to amaze me how well the girl "stasi" as HB put it works.Yes girls talks everything about us. And they know how we are in room and what we want and like even ever have spoken with this guy.

But also guys talk to the girls. One story from a midsize club where I've had a regular girl and know of course the service quality level of most of the other girls even without speaking with them. LOL BTW real regular girls are sometimes more helpful than guys about this.

But now the story in this club about guys talk to girls. I was sitting on the sofa and watching football when a german guy come next to me. We started talking about football, clubs, girls the usual things. And than I told him my opinion about the club beauty called A. I said something real beauty but service slightly below average likes only to fuck with young guys. So I didn't know this guy was a regular with girl B. And girl B is very close to girl A. So later the guy was with his girl B in room. On the same day girl A. Came to me and said: "You are very beautiful but in bed you are shit." After one second I've found the right answer to her: " Why are you lying to me, I'm not beautiful."

No real problem with this but since them I'm even more careful what telling to other guys even if they make a nice impression to me.

ShoesAndSocks

11-14-13, 00:30

Yes girls talks everything about us. And they know how we are in room and what we want and like even ever have spoken with this guy.Yes, it's something to be aware of. I've noticed this happens even as an infrequent overseas visitor. Go to a place a few times and you find girls you've never sessioned with seem to "know" you.

You establish a reputation / profile, so best make sure it's a good one and serves you well.

PussyLiccker

11-14-13, 00:53

I'm pretty demanding. I'm so demanding of the girls for my 50 that my fellow punter would tell me that I ask too much. I guess I would be known as the cheap 50 punter that asks for everything. I make sure I get DFK, finger (both puss and ass) , lick her puss, and sloppy tongue swirling BJ (if she just bobs her head I explain to her how it should be done, I teach them how to lick the lolli also for the benefit of other clients that may follow. LOL.). Yes, I'm cheap and I make sure I do everything. I got to say I've met girls that were my match, so nonrestrictive to my demands and put on a good show. Although I'm a cheap bastard, I never been refused by girls for being so, so I don't know about words being spread around about my cheapness. Then again, I don't live near the clubs, and I only travel to the G few times a year, so I"m not a common face to the girls. Only places that girls would label me as cheap would be the big clubs in Hessen where up-selling is expensive and prevalent. Other than that, other club girls such as NRW wouldn't think I'm cheap, just demanding.

Capt Dan

11-14-13, 01:08

If you are a regular visitor to a favourite club (megaclub or not) your behaviour is probably going to be different to someone who is an occasional tourist who travels to different clubs. A good reputation (descent guy with plenty cash!) in a club or megaclub will often bring you a better level of performance from hookers who will not always provide an "A game" during 30 minute sprint sessions. Money talks and the hookers want descent, fun (and / or easy) customers who will spend some cash. Word spreads in a club if you have a good (or bad) reputation. Often the reputation of your friends (good or bad) will also reflect on you. Depends on the hooker and depends on the client but generally this is the case and does not matter if you visit a club once or twice a year. In this case you just get what you can get. You have little or no reputation (good or bad) to help or hinder you.

Banana Boi

11-14-13, 02:52

MrManGuy

11-14-13, 09:55

Yes girls talks everything about us. And they know how we are in room and what we want and like even ever have spoken with this guy.

But also guys talk to the girls. One story from a midsize club where I've had a regular girl and know of course the service quality level of most of the other girls even without speaking with them. LOL BTW real regular girls are sometimes more helpful than guys about this.

But now the story in this club about guys talk to girls. I was sitting on the sofa and watching football when a german guy come next to me. We started talking about football, clubs, girls the usual things. And than I told him my opinion about the club beauty called A. I said something real beauty but service slightly below average likes only to fuck with young guys. So I didn't know this guy was a regular with girl B. And girl B is very close to girl A. So later the guy was with his girl B in room. On the same day girl A. Came to me and said: "You are very beautiful but in bed you are shit." After one second I've found the right answer to her: " Why are you lying to me, I'm not beautiful."

No real problem with this but since them I'm even more careful what telling to other guys even if they make a nice impression to me.I think they'll still fuck you good from what I saw.

I found the bigger problem was being nagged to death by the girls in the larger clubs."hey baby I suck your cock 50 euro okay is good lets go room now okay? What you not like girls? Cmon baby I do very good sex for you now, yes, cmon baby lets go room."

Then 15 minutes latter " hey baby you want to room now."

Optimist

11-14-13, 10:43

Pussyliccker. I think you are doing us all a service. You should be taking on apprentice girls to train them up for us others :)

PussyLiccker

11-14-13, 12:17

Well at least you don't ask for double fisting. Stay away from any of my girls you ain't getting all that shit.

Pussyliccker. I think you are doing us all a service. You should be taking on apprentice girls to train them up for us others :)

BB, as Optimist would agree I think I can mold the girls into the right service oriented girls that I go with. All I ask is that you send me names of all your girls, so I can start the training right away. Then when you get with them again, they will not be the innocent girl next door you remember them as. I will go to Mondial, and try to break in the new girls there. I will ask around if they know you. Hopefully my efforts will be appreciated as it is my 30e per 20min there that I use to train the girls of proper porno style blow jobs.

This talk brings me back to my session with this new girl next door type at ACA who had the most horrible bj skills. I had to explain to her how to lick it, but she was so mechanical, she literally did exactly what I said. :( She started complaining that I'm too difficult to please, and her head is hurting. Last time when I talked to her, she said she's leaving soon. lol.

Next trip, I'm going to bring my favorite bj clips on my phone and just play it for the girls so I can get the same style bj.

Yakob

11-14-13, 12:33

Pussyliccker. I think you are doing us all a service. You should be taking on apprentice girls to train them up for us others :)You mean like a teacher?

Mr Ho

11-14-13, 12:39

I had some good session, some bad session and once in awhile, not too often I had some wild session when I got lucky.

Perhaps most wildest one was having threesome, I was fucking one girl in the ass and I was fingering her hard at the same time, then getting rimmed by another girl from the back while I was doing it. Sometimes I still get flashback of this. It did not strike me then how crazy it was, but now when I come to think about it, it was quite a session.

This was two years ago in Palace in Frankfurt. I got lucky with two German girls. I am not someone who like rimming, but it just turned out that way.

What is your most wildest session you had in any of German Fkk? I wonder how crazy or wild things can go in Fkk.

PussyLiccker

11-14-13, 12:43

2nd visit to Mondial Tonight. I was warned not to go because they have live Turkish music on Wednesdays nights and it draws in a ton of Turkish guys. I hated it because the turkish singing was screechy.

As for the talent many nice girls were missing tonight. I was told still 70 girls but seemed fewer. Was also told weekends can bring in 110-120 girls. What other club can boast that? I have met my 2 favorite FKK girls here. One is a pure rookie who likely won't last long.

Funny the only girls I haven't received some form of kissing on this trip is 1 girl at ACA who was coughing so I didn't try and one girl at PSR which is supposedly a high mileage club (?). I also don't think I got any kissing from that skinny girl I went with at World.Looks like Mondial according to BB will have 110-120 girls. I know Magnum advertises 100 girls everyday which I think is BS. Which club would have this many girls or more? Can even a Hessen club compete with this many girls in the weekend?

Praj4

11-14-13, 14:06

I'm sorry if this off topic from FKK clubs, but I want to ask people that has been to German clubs. Besides the Swiss clubs. Which countries do you guys like to find good services at? looking for my next destination.Next best places for sex could be BKK and Macau, Dongguan in China. Excellent setup vis a vis scale and quality, quantity [lineup] with oriental touch as well as food, And last. Not in the least, cost is much cheaper. In fact Chinese are copying FKK model in China with oriental touch!

PussyLiccker

11-15-13, 02:30

You mean like a Teacher?No Yokob, not like a teacher as I prefer not to show them how to blow men by blowing men myself! I mean to explain or show them maybe from a video clip of a nice sloppy BJ porn from my phone so that they can properly lick my lolli in a porno style that is fit for punters like me.

What is proper BJ.

Eye contact.

move the lips on the shaft without teeth.

then at at times lick the member like a lolli pop upwards with tongue

then lick the shroom hat swirling the tongue

then make a kiss lips on the side of the member and slide the lips side to side

then lick the balls

Then DFK for awhile

then back to the shaft and repeat.

Citizen Kane

11-15-13, 18:03

News article concerning an anti-prostitution campaign in Germany.

http://www.thelocal.de/20131115/people-talk-about-not-to-prostitutes

ShoesAndSocks

11-16-13, 00:23

News article concerning an anti-prostitution campaign in Germany.Hmm. What I take from this is, enjoy the current good times and don't take them for granted. Certainly don't assume it will always be as it is now.

We have had change in the sex industry where I live (Melbourne) during my punting days, and it isn't nearly as good IMO as it used to be.

Mr Ho

11-16-13, 04:19

News article concerning an anti-prostitution campaign in Germany.

http://www.thelocal.de/20131115/people-talk-about-not-to-prostitutesUnless some real negative incident happen at FKK or any other official prostitution place, I do not think they will make prostitution illegal in Germany. I mean they cannot take back what they made legal and going safely illegal without reason. So I hope all punters going into FKK will behave well and there will be no such a negative incident to alarm German public or politicians to make this beautiful fkk illegal or more restricted.

I am sex tourist to FKK every few months, without FKK, I won't go to Germany, it is nice nations, but I have been to Germany too many times because of FKK.

There was some incident happened in Berlin FKK, some guys refused to pay girls and they began fighting with security, these guys used electric guns at security of the clubs. It made newspaper front line. Things like that is not good. But generally speaking, all fkk clients seems cool guys, I have been punters for long time, and I never met not nice guys at clubs.

FKK is my hobby and I hope they won't make move to ban it in Germany. If they do we still have Austria and Switzerland. Are there any other nations that offer same service or similar level service as German FKK?

PussyLiccker

11-16-13, 04:26

Mr Ho

11-16-13, 05:51

I thought we weren't doing ratings again (met last time with a bunch of "oh no not again!"). Anyway, where is Artemis in all of this? If we're looking at all of Germany, then surely Artemis must be in the discussion somewhere. I've seen no mention of Artemis. Golden Time has the weakest facilities of all of the clubs I have been to so far. That's an easy one for me when it comes to the least impressive facility. But then after that, there are just so many trade-offs between the others. I've always said I would like to outfit World with the furnishings of Palace, then populate the place with the girls of Oase LOL.So with your opinion, Oase has the most numbers of beautiful girls? I never been to Oase as it is bit far out of the city. I am interested on your view. Because for me quality of the girls (looking) is most important, if the girls looks beautiful, that is all matter to me, as for session I can negotiate or I can be repeating clients or money can do negotiation.

Artemis for me has the best city award meaning, it is in Berlin. I do not spend all my time in FKK, so it helps if the city the fkk is in has some charm. Berlin for is by far nicest city in whole Germany where there is FKK club. As for girls. Sometimes I get lucky sometimes. Really not so good. Facility is good with this new wing just opened up this year.

Palace has alot of upsell, but sometimes I find real beauty in there, but mostly silicon breasts. And alot of tattoo girls. I prefer natural girls even tits are small.

Golden time, I maybe wrong on this one, but when I went there, I find some younger just began recently in fkk industry type than let say Artemis or Palace. Am I wrong on this one?

However, since looks is most important for me, maybe I try Oase if you think Oase has most numbers of beautiful girls in all German mega FKK. But oase is bit far out, so maybe I find hotel near Oase, making it easy to commute.

Mr Ho

11-16-13, 09:35

Something I wondered about legalization of prostitution is that since like 80% are Romanians now, fraction of the revenue is going to Romania or other countries instead of circulating in Germany. This is a loss to German economy, and this could be a reason to turn the other way, although the workers are getting taxed. Tax is a reason why government would favor it, although economy will not benefit from it. If it was illegal, and trafficking still happens, the government will not get tax, and still economy will lose some money.

I always wondered why US would not legalize prostitution. I know US is conservative, but could there be additional motives by the US government such as keeping the birth rate up? Having a large population of young workers is a plus. If prostitution was easily accessible, wouldn't there be more singles, and less birth rates? I know Germany is suffering from not having enough young workers to support the country, and they open up for immigrants because of that reason. Same with Japan.I am from Japan, so I can say for why Prostitution is illegal in Japan. Well it is kind of in grey zone actually. In Japan, there are place called soap land where Japanese girl provide you washing service in Japanese style bath, it will cost you about 200euro to 1000euro, for good place I would say 400euro up. When you goto soap land, they will wash you but they also will have sex with you during the wash session as they "fall in love" during bath time together. I know it sound insane, but it is for compliance reason. There are few other prostitution like service called delivery health which is like escort, but they will only blow you kiss you rim you etc. But not sex (sometimes these girls also provide you with sex). So in away prostitution in Japan exist openly. I know it sound insane, but this is like this cultural reason. Good side of Japanese sexual industry is that it is quite well organized like everythingelse here and I was lucky enough to have session with AV porn stars like Maria Ozawa and Takizawa Rola etc. It costed me around 1000euro, but the session was worth it.

Having said that, I much much prefer Germany for sexual industry, for me FKK is best thing I ever found during many years of being Punter around the globe. So those of you who live in Germany are lucky. As for political side, it is not just tax from FKK facility or from the girls, when I goto Germany it is just for FKK, but I still stay in 4 or 5 star hotel, I eat good meals outside for lunch as I only goto FKK after 4PM, I do some shopping etc. So I believe FKK also bring significant amount of tourism, I mean we men all love having sex after sex which is only possible in German FKK and surrouding. Personally, FKK is big time plus for Germany economically. I respect German governments decision to allow that in first place.

PussyLiccker

11-16-13, 17:23

I am from JapanMr Ho, since you are from Japan, you maybe able my question not related to punting. Japanese has been for years have been known to innovate in the technology sector for a long time especially in the 80's to the 90's and then they went down hill. Could it be because the workforce peaked during that time and the workforce is thin right now so not much innovations coming from Japan? Low birthrate has an affect on the current performance?

PussyLiccker

11-16-13, 17:38

When you goto soap land, they will wash you but they also will have sex with you during the wash session as they "fall in love" during bath time together.There are ways to get around the legal side of things as laws cannot enforce every behavior (restricting us is which I hate about laws). I think that's why in most countries they have a club where girls can be bought drinks and taken to the hotel or whatnot. There are ways to get around the legal system. Since it's a bath house you cannot argue that girls didn't fall in love with the man or not, they cannot be sure of that.

The Cane

11-16-13, 18:41

So with your opinion, Oase has the most numbers of beautiful girls? Maybe I find hotel near Oase, making it easy to commute.First of all, it's been quite some time since I wrote that. The FKK landscape has changed in Ger-monger-ry since then. Second, I did not say that Oase has the lock on the most beautiful girls. At least I don't think I said that. Now if you ask me, plenty of beautiful girls can be found in all of the "mega-clubs". Where Oase always stood out front for me was that they had the best overall collection PSE (porn star experience) performers. That's what I like. And Oase was clearly number one in that regard.

And yet, as it appears to be with other seasoned mongers here, Oase has slipped in my rankings due to serious concerns with the physical facilities and the way they are being managed (or mismanaged if you will). The "new restaurant fiasco" is all a part of that. The last time I was at Oase, I just didn't enjoy myself as much. Issues with the facilities have always been there, but I could easily overlook them because the line-up was so good according to my own individual tastes. But the last time, the line-up had slipped noticeably, and the construction was still unfinished. Long waits for dirty rooms was common, food was bad, etc. With a diminished line-up, I could no longer dismiss the other problems.

Oase has lost its firm grip on number one, and things are in transition I would say. The situation is ripe for another club to seize the number one spot, and it's looking like Sharks is making a serious run at it. Sharks used to get a lot of bad press as being kind of boring and unappealing and lacking in talent. I visited that club last time and saw plenty of potential. I liked the well-lighted, physically open feel of the place, and it would seem from recent reports that the talent level has picked up considerably. But with all that said about Oase, it's still one of the "premiere league" clubs in Germany. And if you have not gone, then you must! I mean, why go all that way and not visit one of the most famous mongering destinations in the whole world?

So I say go to Oase. Check it out. Experience for yourself. Get a hotel room in Frankfurt near the central hauptbanhof and make that "headquarters". From there visit all of the major clubs in the area. Then write us a detailed report when you return to Nippon LOL! By the way, you asked about other countries that have a sex industry set-up similar to the German FKKs. The only other place in the world where I have been that has a similar set-up is Brazil with its famous termas. And as I have said on this site many times before, Brazil is my absolute favorite mongering destination in the world for many reasons. I won't go into that again, but apparently many Japanese people like it too since more Japanese live in Brazil than in any other country in the world (excluding Japan itself of course!). Particularly in Sao Paulo where Japanese-Brazilian girls are "on the menu" LOL! And, there is no shortage of caucasians that I know the Japanese men like a lot. Now me, I have a current appetite for some Asian pussy man. I want some Thai and Filipino pussy. Japanese too if not so expensive! We shall see.

Mr Ho

11-16-13, 22:51

Mr Ho, since you are from Japan, you maybe able my question not related to punting. Japanese has been for years have been known to innovate in the technology sector for a long time especially in the 80's to the 90's and then they went down hill. Could it be because the workforce peaked during that time and the workforce is thin right now so not much innovations coming from Japan? Low birthrate has an affect on the current performance?Hello Mr Pussylicker,

Yes I am Japanese, but I was educated in Europe. I went to Boarding school there for decade, so I can see Japan from both west and east point of view.

I think it is not due to workforce, I say this because we relocated many of our plants to abroad. Plus as we developed into one of the and in 80s most economically powerful nation in the world, our cost of labors got too high and it is way too expensive to make everything Made in Japan, so many of our major companies relocated their manufacturing for normal range products to abroad except for our high end products as some people who are willing to pay more for better quality or reputation prefer to see Made in Japan on their product.

As for no much innovation coming from Japan. I think it is because of cultural issue and timing. After 1945, we lost the war. We surrender I think 5 months after German surrender, we fought about 5 month against the whole world alone LOL. Crazy huh. Straight after the war we had two choice. Becoming real poor nation or try to get back up. And in just 40years. In 1980s Japan became richest nation in the world. This is miracle. I think it was because of hungry spirit we had in 1945 and on. NOW we are not hungry at all. So we do not like to take risk and do things that are innovative. You know we are opposite end of entrepreneurship spirit.

Also maybe you noticed, but most of us do not even speak english. I move solo in FKK but I noticed that most japanese who goto FKK do not speak english as well. This also reflect on our immigration policy. We are not racist, but we tend to not like many immigrants coming into Japan. So this put our country back a bit.

In closing, Japan and Germany lost the war, but both nations became top world economy and no matter what, we always will be in top 5 economical powerful nations in the world, but again we lost the war. So I still sometimes fee USA and co still did not forgive free about second world war at least they are cautions of Japan. I see this here and there sometimes in politics still. Even though Japan is biggest buyer and holder of US bonds. But hey let us smile, both Japan and Germany became rich and we are all more or happy aren`t we? !

Ok let me ask you punter question: Where is the FKK that has most numbers of Beautiful girl? Is it Oase? I come far every year just to do FKK`ing! So I need to know this LOL what is your opinion.

Mr Ho

11-16-13, 22:56

UltraHappy

11-16-13, 23:36

There are ways to get around the legal side of things as laws cannot enforce every behavior (restricting us is which I hate about laws). I think that's why in most countries they have a club where girls can be bought drinks and taken to the hotel or whatnot. There are ways to get around the legal system. Since it's a bath house you cannot argue that girls didn't fall in love with the man or not, they cannot be sure of that.This defense is not so effective in the US. Money was exchanged. Sex happened. The State tells their story. The defendant tells their story. Then, a jury decides. Are you willing to roll the dice on whether the jury will buy your story that this young hottie fell in love with the guy sitting at the defense table after the guy paid $300 for a drink / massage / whatever when the fair market value of a drink / massage / whatever is much less than that? Especially when the transaction took place in a seedy place called [insert lascivious name of seedy establishment here]?

Maybe the story would be more believable with you at the defense table (handsome, irresistible, young guy like yourself) but I am betting that most mongers frequenting such a establishment probably don't quite match up to the young hottie in the looks and youth department.

Plus, it's entirely possible that the State could turn the girl into an adverse witness with immunity from prosecution. Then, you've got both the State and the young hottie accusing you of exploiting her.

The "she fell in love with me" story sounds nice at first. But in the States, it's not so effective. Even if you win with good defense counsel, you will still be out a minimum $10, 000 in attorney fees and the arrest on your record which will show up in future job background checks. Even if you manage to get the arrest expunged from the State records, the third party databases that employers use will already have downloaded that information into their databases before your attorney will have managed to expunge the arrest. Once that info is in the third party databases, it's there forever. Expunging that info from the government databases will not expunge that information from the third party private databases.

Bottom line: Don't be overly confident that this story is a good idea in the US, especially in the more conservative states. I mean, if you get caught and have to use it, that's one thing. But don't start doing this stuff in the States and think that's going to be a good way out.

Trans Atlantic

11-17-13, 00:20

I always wondered why US would not legalize prostitution. I know US is conservative, but could there be additional motives by the US government such as keeping the birth rate up? Having a large population of young workers is a plus. If prostitution was easily accessible, wouldn't there be more singles, and less birth rates? I know Germany is suffering from not having enough young workers to support the country, and they open up for immigrants because of that reason. Same with Japan.No other reason other than that it is political suicide. You'll get no support on this from either party. No Democratic candidate will alienate women voters over this. No Republican candidate will alienate conservatives over this. Prostitution statures are enacted on a local level, not federal.

Mr Ho, since you are from Japan, you maybe able my question not related to punting. Japanese has been for years have been known to innovate in the technology sector for a long time especially in the 80's to the 90's and then they went down hill. Could it be because the workforce peaked during that time and the workforce is thin right now so not much innovations coming from Japan? Low birthrate has an affect on the current performance?Has there really been any innovations from Japan ever? (Maybe robotics?) I would argue the majority of the innovations in the 20th Century has been American. From the ashes of WWII, Japanese factories started producing low margin items and then moved upward into heavy manufacturing and electronics / technology etc. But all those items (aircraft / automobile / TV / computers / Internet) were American innovations to begin with.

PussyLiccker

11-17-13, 00:39

Has there really been any innovations from Japan ever? (Maybe robotics?) I would argue the majority of the innovations in the 20th Century has been American. From the ashes of WWII, Japanese factories started producing low margin items and then moved upward into heavy manufacturing and electronics / technology etc. But all those items (aircraft / automobile / TV / computers / Internet) were American innovations to begin with.So, there was no innovations from Japan? You need me to list them out, including the shit loads of patents and scientific studies? Just because car or television wasn't invented by a country doesn't mean innovations weren't driven by a country. I believe there is a huge difference between the television or car when it was first invented to today. I know you're proud of the US, but you are being totally biased and giving no credit to pretty much the world. TV was invented by the uk by the way, I suggest doing some research before touting off something as being true. By the way, this was a question for Mr Ho. And, also look up the definition of "innovation." I mean if it's completely off topic as you say, you could have just ignored the post(I guess you wanted to continue the so called "off-topic" discussion?).

PussyLiccker

11-17-13, 01:32

This defense is not so effective in the US. MoneyI agree with what you say but the legal system is setup to make a decision based on evidence is my point. If the evidence is that the customer went to a bath house, which I don't believe such an establishment exists in the US, there is still not a strong argument unless there is good evidence the sexual activity has part taken. The massage parlors exists in the US, and being called "massage" doesn't automatically come as being seedy. If the law worked in a way where one buys a $300 for a drink as being the sole reason to accuse, it's not a good system IMO. Also, there are places in the US that charges much for for alcohol, the reason why they exist and get through the system is that the law will need strong evidence prove that what the business partakes is against the law. Usually when they bust you, they bust you in the act or via surveillance as evidence. A bar or a massage parlor doesn't initially come off as a seedy business. I'm fully aware that there is a risks for one to get busted in those establishments, but the law enforcement has to get some sort of solid evidence to get you. That's what Mr Ho means by grey area, that although one will think it's a seedy establishment, unless evidence that sexual service is partaken, there is no real reason to get you for using the services.

Trans Atlantic

11-17-13, 01:43

So, there was no innovations from Japan? You need me to list them out, including the shit loads of patents and scientific studies? Just because car or television wasn't invented by a country doesn't mean innovations weren't driven by a country. I believe there is a huge difference between the television or car when it was first invented to today. I know you're proud of the US, but you are being totally biased and giving no credit to pretty much the world. TV was invented by the uk by the way, I suggest doing some research before touting off something as being true. By the way, this was a question for Mr Ho. And, also look up the definition of "innovation." I mean if it's completely off topic as you say, you could have just ignored the post(I guess you wanted to continue the so called "off-topic" discussion?).

You're right. There's no point on continuing this. No way I can out-research (or have the time to) someone who quotes what people posted months ago to make his point.

Mr Ho

11-17-13, 02:20

So I say go to Oase. Check it out. Experience for yourself. Get a hotel room in Frankfurt near the central hauptbanhof and make that "headquarters". From there visit all of the major clubs in the area. Then write us a detailed report when you return to Nippon LOL! By the way, you asked about other countries that have a sex industry set-up similar to the German FKKs. The only other place in the world where I have been that has a similar set-up is Brazil with its famous termas. And as I have said on this site many times before, Brazil is my absolute favorite mongering destination in the world for many reasons. I won't go into that again, but apparently many Japanese people like it too since more Japanese live in Brazil than in any other country in the world (excluding Japan itself of course!). Particularly in Sao Paulo where Japanese-Brazilian girls are "on the menu" LOL! And, there is no shortage of caucasians that I know the Japanese men like a lot. Now me, I have a current appetite for some Asian pussy man. I want some Thai and Filipino pussy. Japanese too if not so expensive! We shall see.Thank you Mr Cane! I was in Philippines and Thailand for mongering, I say Thailand is more organized where as Philippines are less organized. In Manila, you can go to so called KTV ("karaoke" place) , but there you can take the girl out side to your hotel or you can negotiate and do her there. However, please be very careful of set up. It can be real danger there in Manila.

Personally I prefer Manila over Thailand as I like half asian and half caucasian girl, since philippine had US military base there are quite few girl with mixed blood and I even found one beauty who is half saudi and half philippine (you know mother worked in middle east and got pregnant I imagine.). Service is not that good in Manila though, if you want porn movie type good service you have to try to look harder than in German FKK.

Thailand you get full service, rather more organized and big variety of places you can go for mongering.

Japan is good, but you have to do big research and not English speaking friendly place for punters. Also if you want to have session with one of AV porn actress, it is costly. My most expensive one here was Maria Ozawa which I paid about 1250 euro for 70 minutes. Man, I can have about 3 days of crazy German FKK experience for that price, but it was worth it as it serve as good memory for me each time I see Maria Ozawas movie and mongering is my hobby so I am willing to pay. Mongering is bit like wine for me, some bottles are cheap and good, some are expensive and good. Some you lose some you win right?

My conclusion is that I much much prefer German FKK, it is like heaven for me, if I ever have money I will live right next to German FKK LOL.

There were some posts earlier about sex addict. I think I am sex addict and I am not shame of it, I mean it is in control level of not jumping on every beauty I see on the street, but I have been doing paying for sexual experience since I was 17 years old and I will never stop doing it till the day I die.

German FKK enable me to really have my sexual fantasies come into reality, so for me German FKK serve as "sex with caucasions of all kind experience" and I even found one black girl who was beauty! I mean how sick is that japanese guy doing black girl this is not possible in normal life at least it is hard probability."On the other hand when I am in Japan, I am selective but I enjoy doing asian beauties". So I try to get best of both world. !

I think there is nothing wrong of being sex addict as long as it is under control level of not jumping on strangers by force. In german fkk it is done upon agreements and I must admit, me finding the German FKK really push my "sex addict button" in me. I am always thinking about German FKK LOL

Viva Germany!

Capt Dan

11-17-13, 02:41

But all those items (aircraft / automobile / TV / computers / Internet) were American innovations to begin with.I think you will find that Television Broadcasting (John Logie Baird) and Computers (Charles Babbage) were primarily British concepts and inventions. Americans may have aided in their development. The internet as we know it today owes much to British invention (Tim Berners-Lee) but the concept was originally American (Leonard Kleinrock). The automobile is actually a German invention (Karl Benz). The airplane was an American invention (Wright Brothers).

PussyLiccker

11-17-13, 03:10

Ok let me ask you punter question: Where is the FKK that has most numbers of Beautiful girl? Is it Oase? I come far every year just to do FKK`ing! So I need to know this LOL what is your opinion.Well, I started mongering from Oase, and I've been to several clubs and RLD before. At the time, I ended up favoring Oase more so than World or Palace. Palace was smaller and I thought was a bit boring between sessions, but I could find a good handful of girls with nice visuals. I was there few months ago, and I would say that the line-up isn't bad as others make it out to be, it's just that the service level isn't there because of the up-selling. To get a decent service there, you would need to pay at minimum 100e unless you find the one that would do for 50e which is rare.

I would not say Oase had (not sure how much better it is currently) the most beautiful girls that offers good services, but it has the level of optics quality and services were pretty high, so I used to attend Oase pretty religiously. In addition, there would be at least a few girls that would stun you visually, and at Oase, those girls would even provide good service in the room. I don't see stunner showing up anymore. Typically, at majority of clubs, girls that has the looks that most men would think is stunning usually give lower service level, but at Oase amazingly the stunners provided high service. Girls at World seem to be too skinny or visually not great looking(mostly buffaloes there) to me so I only been there a few times, but service is pretty much on par with Oase. Dining at Oase has changed recently with the new restraunt, and some are ok with it and some are not. I personally don't like the new dining as I know comparatively other clubs offer better for less.

Sharks I've been there in the past and stopped by recently, and was ok. I had two sessions there, and not more as they weren't up to the service level I usually get at Oase or the NRW. The optics there didn't stand out much as some of the clubs that I've been to. Few months ago I stopped by Oase, and tried a new girl out, and the best BJ and fucking I've ever had, the newer girls I find there never seases to amaze me, but my most recent visit there weren't many girls I wanted to try as there weren't any new girls, and I don't go with majority of girls that's been working at the club for along time. But, if you have not been to Oase much, I would recommend going there and checking it out. I like Mainhattan also, the line-up isn't as large as the big three, but the evening line-up girls are pretty and they offer great services. I think you would like Antonia if she still works there.

I think you been GT as you posted on the thread. I believe visuals wise you can't really go wrong with GT, and other clubs in NRW. DV had some really good looking German girls if you are into Germans, and the evening line-up was pretty good for a small line-up. I saw the most beautiful Romanian girl I've ever seen there. I would say she looked like a model. In addition, you will find that girls in the NRW optically are rather different than FRA. I think in the FRA there are a higher percentage of Romanians, but at the NRW there are more variety. Although Samya, Mondial, and ACA are predominantly Romanians, there are other clubs that offers more variety. I think in the FRA, the Palace tries to include more of a mix, but the up-selling deters many punters. I would check out ACA if you are going there this winter before the Holidays as the line-up should be huge this time of the year, I think girls are beautiful there, and I've always gotten good service there including DFK. PHG could be hit or miss, but when it has a line-up, boy does it have a line-up, and the service level is high. The NRW, you can't beat the optics, the variety, and the price. Lastly, the pricing and the food is great at NRW. GT, LR, and PHG food is excellent, and there are reports of other clubs having great food. The price, ACA is the best price for beautiful girls per session iwth 40e a pop(although Mondial is 30e for 20min but I will check it out to see if the girls are to my liking), and 25 CIM and 50 Anal at the NRW is much better deal than other regions.

If you haven't been to Artemis, I think Artemis is a club worth checking out as there are a good mix of girls there even on a Sunday when I was there. I like Germans and there were plenty of Germans and the service level was much better than Palace although expect up-selling there are there are alot on the menu offered from the girls including rimming. LOL. There are many reports of girls having tatoos there, so be wary of that if that isn't to your liking. I would check out Artemis more, but since it's the only major club in Berlin, it's too far out to be worth going on my trips. Also, the entry and rates are a bit higher than normal.

All in all, you can ask many punters which clubs has the best optical quality and there will be disagreements. I would recommend checking out many clubs and see for yourself.

If I weigh in girl's opics and services,food,facilities and staff services, and prices, it's easily NRW for me.

Mr Ho

11-17-13, 03:55

Well, I started mongering from Oase, and I've been to several clubs and RLD before. At the time, I ended up favoring Oase more so than World or Palace. Palace was smaller and I thought was a bit boring between sessions, but I could find a good handful of girls with nice visuals. I was there few months ago, and I would say that the line-up isn't bad as others make it out to be, it's just that the service level isn't there because of the up-selling. To get a decent service there, you would need to pay at minimum 100e unless you find the one that would do for 50e which is rare.

I would not say Oase had (not sure how much better it is currently) the most beautiful girls that offers good services, but it has the level of optics quality and services were pretty high, so I used to attend Oase pretty religiously. In addition, there would be at least a few girls that would stun you visually, and at Oase, those girls would even provide good service in the room. I don't see stunner showing up anymore. Typically, at majority of clubs, girls that has the looks that most men would think is stunning usually give lower service level, but at Oase amazingly the stunners provided high service. Girls at World seem to be to skinny for my liking so I only been there a few times, but service is pretty much on par with Oase. Dining at Oase has changed recently with the new restraunt, and some are ok with it and some are not. I personally don't like the new dining as I know comparatively other clubs offer better for less.

Sharks I've been there in the past and stopped by recently, and was ok. I had two sessions there, and not more as they weren't up to the service level I usually get at Oase or the NRW. The optics there didn't stand out much as some of the clubs that I've been to. Few months ago I stopped by Oase, and tried a new girl out, and the best BJ and fucking I've ever had, the newer girls I find there never seases to amaze me, but my most recent visit there weren't many girls I wanted to try as there weren't any new girls, and I don't go with majority of girls that's been working at the club for along time. But, if you have not been to Oase much, I would recommend going there and checking it out. I like Mainhattan also, the line-up isn't as large as the big three, but the evening line-up girls are pretty and they offer great services. I think you would like Antonia if she still works there...One thing I liked about GT was that, I see more just began in the industry type girls. I also read that in NRW in general have more new girls in the industry, still bit naive, not much tattoo, or silicon job etc.

In Artemis, sometimes, you find some real stunners, but generally there are a lot of pro girls who has been in the industry for at least 2 years. Girl at Artemis told me that they cannot start in the industry at Artemis, as management there require some level of experience. I mean the prices are bit higher at Artemis than other FKK.

Palace is good, but it has many girls I saw in Artemis. In the end these girls move around alot, so you begin to bump into them in different clubs LOL with different name sometimes LOL I noticed alot of upselling at Palace.

Oase, hmm I may give a shot I never been there yet.

GT I went like 7times but it was during one visit, so I cannot conclude, but by your judgment, you seems to push Goldentime for the general high level of looks of the girls, am I right?

I care a lot about looks of the girl so.

As for service, I always negotiate, but if charm does not work I always say something like "Look, I go for 2 hour with you for 300 instead of 120x2=240, but you have to do this and this and this, on top of that if the session is good, I will be here tomorrow, we go again tomorrow for same price" or something like this, I know I am upbuying but I really prefer to get what I want for extra 50 euro or 30 euro or whatever than having unsatisfied sessions at FKK. Comparison to what I have to pay for AV porn actress in Japan sometimes, German fkk is ok price for me.

There are some girls who offer crazy intense service for just 30minutes session and sometimes they goon for like 40minutes without charging you, it is always depend on girls mood, chemistry etc.

Me too is fan of German girls and also I like Czech and hungarians, but really one cannot expect such and such by nationality really, it is depend on her personality. One thing I prefer is non-experienced girl in the industry as if you treat them nice and offer bit more cash, some are still open hearted or open minded or whatever to provide you GFE type experience and willing to give you MORE service like rimming, or longer sessions or whatever.

Pro pro girls. You can get what you want by money, they may have technique, but they know the fkk game and they can sometimes be more sharkish and I can get too nervous by this professional vibe, so my taste is more finding teen model type beauty who began recently in the fkk business. ! Does that sound like Golden time FKK? GT had more newbies than Artemis or Palace. If I am right and GT is more trainning fkk to be in palace or artemis then I will switch my destination to GT all the time. I am still learner for fkk so I should trip around Germany more than just sticking to one city maybe.

The Cane

11-17-13, 09:14

If I weigh in girl's optics and services,food,facilities and staff services, and prices, it's easily NRW for me.PL,

If one wanted to do an extensive tour of the major NRW clubs, where would be the best place to set up "headquarters"? For Hessen it's easy. Get a hotel room in Frankfurt near the main train station. From there, it's easy to take the train to Oase, World, and Sharks. And, you can take a taxi to Mainhattan and Palace. At least that's what I do. Further, if you want RLD action, then you can walk to it. Now, where's the logical place for the NRW region? Dusseldorf? It was the fact that I was once transiting through Dusseldorf that led me to decide to go to GT. But, I don't know if Dusseldorf is favorably situated to go to the other clubs. I would like to try Living Room, ACA, and several others. I guess Samya is actually closer to Cologne right? Maybe the logistics for visiting them all conveniently from one location does not work, thus requiring a monger to move around a bit? Other than GT, what would you consider to be the "must-see" clubs in the NRW?

PussyLiccker

11-17-13, 18:44

PL,

If one wanted to do an extensive tour of the major NRW clubs, where would be the best place to set up "headquarters"? For Hessen it's easy. Get a hotel room in Frankfurt near the main train station. From there, it's easy to take the train to Oase, World, and Sharks. And, you can take a taxi to Mainhattan and Palace. At least that's what I do. Further, if you want RLD action, then you can walk to it. Now, where's the logical place for the NRW region? Dusseldorf? It was the fact that I was once transiting through Dusseldorf that led me to decide to go to GT. But, I don't know if Dusseldorf is favorably situated to go to the other clubs. I would like to try Living Room, ACA, and several others. I guess Samya is actually closer to Cologne right? Maybe the logistics for visiting them all conveniently from one location does not work, thus requiring a monger to move around a bit? Other than GT, what would you consider to be the "must-see" clubs in the NRW?Are you willing to rent a car? If not, it will not be so easy for you. If you are not driving I recommend you go through the threads and look for public transit instructions. If you are willing to rent a car get a hotel with PARKING close to DUSS city so that you can drive to most clubs from there. If you want to fly into DUSS, I suggest getting a hotel near the airport in Ratingen, it's still central to all clubs and close to airport to fly out. GT and PHG is 45 from DUSS, and ACA is 25, and magnum is 15. Samya, Mondial, PSR are around 30min, not sure. So Duss makes sense because of the dense population of hotels which brings the price down. Like I said, there is a large radius, look under G-maps and plan this out according to your liking.

If you drive, clubs I'd recommend. GT (You got in last time so I'm hoping you can get in again, there must be a reason why you got in) , ACA, DV, Mondial (I heard large lineup close to 100 with 30e entry and 30e per session) , PHG, Samaya, Magnum, PSR. In the order of my fav club to least fav, although ACA is equal to GT IMO. Also F39 is on the other side of GT and 50min drive, you can check it out if you willing to check it out, service is good, but not sure if the management will have problems letting you in.

The Cane

11-17-13, 19:27

Personally I prefer Manila over Thailand as I like half asian and half caucasian girl, since philippine had US military base there are quite few girl with mixed blood and I even found one beauty who is half saudi and half philippine (you know mother worked in middle east and got pregnant I imagine.). Service is not that good in Manila though, if you want porn movie type good service you have to try to look harder than in German FKK.This is a very interesting observation you make Mr. Ho. It only confirms what my buddy and fellow monger Kid Cisco has told me. He served in the American navy and spent time in the Philippines. He says this "mixture" you note has produced some Asian girls with nice buttocks. This is good intel since I like women with nice plump, round buttocks like the Brazilian women in the pictures I attached. Most Asian girls are too flat in the buttocks for me. Brazilian girls have the most superior buttocks in the entire world. I'm telling you man, you must try Brazilian "bunda"! Especially if you like the Porn Star Experience!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2507274/Miss-BumBum-2013-winner-Brazilian-beauty-Dai-Macedo.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3658dGk2LVk&feature=player_embedded

Well, just as American foreign policy has pivoted more towards Asia, so too must The Cane "pivot" his activities towards Asia hahaha! I don't want to turn this into an all out discussion about Asian destinations, but besides Thailand and The Philippines, what other Asian countries do you believe would be worth a monger's attention? Malaysia and Indonesia are looking good to me. Do tell.

The Cane

11-17-13, 19:46

Are you willing to rent a car? If not, it will not be so easy for you. If you are not driving I recommend you go through the threads and look for public transit instructions. If you are willing to rent a car get a hotel with PARKING close to DUSS city so that you can drive to most clubs from there. If you want to fly into DUSS, I suggest getting a hotel near the airport in Ratingen, it's still central to all clubs and close to airport to fly out. GT and PHG is 45 from DUSS, and ACA is 25, and magnum is 15. Samya, Mondial, PSR are around 30min, not sure. So Duss makes sense because of the dense population of hotels which brings the price down. Like I said, there is a large radius, look under G-maps and plan this out according to your liking.Thanks for the feedback PL. So, it seems that for the NRW portion of a future tour of Germany, I can set up in Dusseldorf. I'd just have to figure out how I want to handle my transport to and from the clubs. Although things could change, as of this writing I have no desire to do GT again. Been there, done that, didn't like the facilities, etc. And, based upon everything I know about F39 (including cleanliness issues) , I don't want to go there either. But, I'm certainly interested in the others.

Thanks again!

Mr Ho

11-18-13, 00:11

This is a very interesting observation you make Mr. Ho. It only confirms what my buddy and fellow monger Kid Cisco has told me. He served in the American navy and spent time in the Philippines. He says this "mixture" you note has produced some Asian girls with nice buttocks. This is good intel since I like women with nice plump, round buttocks like the Brazilian women in the pictures I attached. Most Asian girls are too flat in the buttocks for me. Brazilian girls have the most superior buttocks in the entire world. I'm telling you man, you must try Brazilian "bunda"! Especially if you like the Porn Star Experience!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2507274/Miss-BumBum-2013-winner-Brazilian-beauty-Dai-Macedo.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3658dGk2LVk&feature=player_embedded

Well, just as American foreign policy has pivoted more towards Asia, so too must The Cane "pivot" his activities towards Asia hahaha! I don't want to turn this into an all out discussion about Asian destinations, but besides Thailand and The Philippines, what other Asian countries do you believe would be worth a monger's attention? Malaysia and Indonesia are looking good to me. Do tell.One thing German FKK is missing for international punters is Asian / white mixed blood girls. I get them here in Japan or I goto Philippines for that, but in German FKK I see asian girls, but not mixed blood asian / white girls.

However, in German FKK you get Arab, Turkish, African back ground mix girl with white. Wow some of them are nice and exotic! I had this half Brazilian black / white girl and she looked so beautiful. I still go for more model type look girls as that is my taste. But recently they are hard to find. It used to be much more easier to find these model type girl at German fkk, but it is hard. Why! LOL.

I found this video by chance, wow this is strong line up! It is Golden Time in Vienna and not in Dus Germany, but if these girls are real FKK girls at GT in Vienna, I have to consider switching my trips to Vienna GT not German FKK, do you think these girls are mostly models or real fkk girls at GT Vienna, I am going to ask this at GT Vienna thread as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNLYczQFxkM&list=HL1384728783&feature=mh_lolz

The Cane

11-18-13, 00:54

Mr Ho

11-18-13, 03:29

Since Mr. Ho mentioned this "Maria Ozawa" a few times, I decided to Google then "oogle" her LOL! She is "cauasian" (Canadian father and Japanese mom) and would certainly do well in the FKKs or termas (or anywhere else I might add). Butt is a little small, but I would definitely fuck her. I do not blame Ho for paying such big money for her if she was one of his fantasy porno starlets, especially if she did what he wanted. After all, we only live once! Mr. Ho you lucky dog! Oh well, I am not the jealous type as I get mine! There's plenty to go around no?She is cool girl too, but in real life, she has tattoos on her upper arm, and also side of her stomach. She told me she covers it with make up.

German FKK has it all, but not Asian / white girl.

But as I say, you got some crazy other mix from the regions like Arab / white Turks / white African / white etc etc. Also you get some tanned Gypsy beauties too. I find some of these girls also tanned and hot!

Over all of me mongering around the globe, German fkk has it all! It is definitely the best punter paradise! But I never been to vienna so I might go. It seemed on the video lonk I posted earlier. It looks like good lineup if the girls on the videos are working girls and not hired model.

Kid Cisco

11-18-13, 04:58

Since Mr. Ho mentioned this "Maria Ozawa" a few times, I decided to Google then "oogle" her LOL! She is "cauasian" (Canadian father and Japanese mom) and would certainly do well in the FKKs or termas (or anywhere else I might add). Butt is a little small, but I would definitely fuck her. I do not blame Ho for paying such big money for her if she was one of his fantasy porno starlets, especially if she did what he wanted. After all, we only live once! Mr. Ho you lucky dog! Oh well, I am not the jealous type as I get mine! There's plenty to go around no?Cane,

Yes, those was the good Ole days LOL LOL me and other sailors would run off my ship and we would go into some of those houses and ask Mamason how much she make in a night? And we would pay her double to closed down the place and we would have ALL the girls we can fuck for the night along with ALL we can drink (I am not a drinker) BUT other sailors was LOL Mamason would cook us something to eat and we would bring in our " Do The Right Thing BOOM BOX" and have a party. Back then you could get a girl for the night for $15-$20! And didn't have to use a rubber LOL!

Kid Cisco

PussyLiccker

11-18-13, 05:45

Kick123

11-18-13, 08:44

I am from Japan, so I can say for why Prostitution is illegal in Japan. Well it is kind of in grey zone actually. In Japan, there are place called soap land where Japanese girl provide you washing service in Japanese style bath, it will cost you about 200euro to 1000euro, for good place I would say 400euro up. When you goto soap land, they will wash you but they also will have sex with you during the wash session as they "fall in love" during bath time together. I know it sound insane, but it is for compliance reason. There are few other prostitution like service called delivery health which is like escort, but they will only blow you kiss you rim you etc. But not sex (sometimes these girls also provide you with sex). So in away prostitution in Japan exist openly. I know it sound insane, but this is like this cultural reason. Good side of Japanese sexual industry is that it is quite well organized like everythingelse here and I was lucky enough to have session with AV porn stars like Maria Ozawa and Takizawa Rola etc. It costed me around 1000euro, but the session was worth it.

Having said that, I much much prefer Germany for sexual industry, for me FKK is best thing I ever found during many years of being Punter around the globe. So those of you who live in Germany are lucky. As for political side, it is not just tax from FKK facility or from the girls, when I goto Germany it is just for FKK, but I still stay in 4 or 5 star hotel, I eat good meals outside for lunch as I only goto FKK after 4PM, I do some shopping etc. So I believe FKK also bring significant amount of tourism, I mean we men all love having sex after sex which is only possible in German FKK and surrouding. Personally, FKK is big time plus for Germany economically. I respect German governments decision to allow that in first place.Hi Mr. Ho,

I go to Japan often. Please tell me how to get a hold of those porno actresses. I want to bang them.

Mr Ho

11-18-13, 10:49

Mr Ho,

I like new girls also, that's why I travel to NRW. Like you, I need pretty faces or I cannot get myself to be excited. So we share commonalities. I would recommend PHG and ACA also. But in general you must travel around NRW because girls moves around there alot and although clubs are small there, you will have high probability of a stunner showing up because new girls don't know how hot they are, until they start getting attention from punters, you need to take advantage of that before that happens. Yes, at NRW, you will run into less pros, aged 22 or younger. Artemis is where the more experienced girls will go, in addition to FRA, although FRA you will find some younger girls. I'm not into tatoos either, I like semi-pros or amateurs if I can find them.Mr Pussylicker,

We have similar taste. Yes I prefer newbies as they do not know what going on yet, plus they are still in exploring mode, so little charm / convincing can get you far or as last solution money can get your way to newbies because they just determined to get themselves into the industry, so they are willing to explore and they want more cash.

However, if we do not tell the newbie what we want we get no where LOL as most of them still do not have the technique.

To be honest with you Mr Pussylicker, I only met one girl that I can think of who was professional experienced girl and whom I had sweet session with. She upsell to me though, I agree to pay that extra amount, but gosh it was worth it! But generally, professional girl are too mechanic or too unhuman, also they upsell, alot of no, and alot of time no is no, so I much prefer newbies.

Not just in NRW, but I saw many girls who I saw in palace in Artemis, also I found few girls who are escort who normally charge 400euro per hour, but we get them for like 120 euro in FKK. Funny huh? 120euro in fkk and 400euro in escort agency.

I only went to GT once and that was my only NRW experience, so I cannot judge, but since you have similar taste to me, I agree with you. Only downside for NRW is that location! Location! It is quite hard to get to those FKK in NRW comparion to Artemis or Palace, and I do not want to rent a car in germany and drive due to my lack of knowledge of the roads there, so it is real pain in the neck for me to figure out the way with train etc. But hey for the love of beautiful girls and as a pro international punter, I will make that complicated journey no matter where that FKK is LOL

I still have few times left with my 10X Karten at artemis, but after that is used up in 2014 journey, I will begin hitting NRW!

The Cane

11-18-13, 12:57

The Cane,

I am an assman also, but those asses are too thick for me. They look to have fat, I look for more firm ass. So the clubs I would recommend should be right up your alley if you are looking for girls with nice asses as that's what I look for also in addition to a pretty face.Here I present the Ass Matrix LOL! What's your fancy? I go for "The Bubble". Brazilian girls have the best bubble butts in the entire world. And they are proud of it, as you can see from their national Miss Bum Bum (pronounced "boom boom") contest. How many other nations have such a contest worshiping the buttocks cheeks? Brazil is an ass man's paradise! Different strokes for different folks, different tits for different tricks! Oh, and arses too hahaha!

The Cane

11-19-13, 01:19

Over all of my mongering around the globe, German fkk has it all! It is definitely the best punter paradise! But I never been to vienna so I might go. It seemed on the video link I posted earlier. It looks like good lineup if the girls on the videos are working girls and not hired model.How come you never consider Brazil? If you can fly all the way to Germany, then you can go all the way to Brazil too like other Japanese men do. I always see Japanese tourists in Rio de Janeiro every time I'm there, including in the termas. What's the matter Ho? You can't handle that Brazilian "boom boom" (_I_)? Hahaha! One thing I love about Brazil is the mix of girls. Black girls, white girls, brown girls, all mixed up blood girls! Many with the nice, round bubble butts like I have lust in my heart for. If you think FKKs have divesrsity, man you haven't seen anything yet until you go to Brazil! And Brazilian girls deliver the goods. They fuck for keeps! For the Asian "mixes", I believe you must go to Sao Paolo where many Japanese people have emigrated to and have had sexual relations with the natives LOL! I like Amerasian girls. They give me a big boner. I wish I could hump more "cauasians" like you do Mr. Ho. Well, I do plan to "pivot" towards Asia eventually. Look out Angeles City! Because here I come for the Asian babes with the nice buttocks!

Here are a few interesting diversity facts about Brazil:

- More people of Japanese descent live in Brazil than in any other country in the world, except for Japan itself.

- More people of African descent live in Brazil than in any other country in the world, except for Nigeria.

- More people of Italian descent live in Brazil than in any other country in the world, except for Italy itself.

And I could go on. Many people do not know these things about Brazil. It is a very large and diverse country made up of many different types of people, including Native American peoples. So come now Ho! We go to Brazil and fuck many beautiful woman of different races! Ha! OK, no more of my promotions on behalf of Brazil here. After all, this is FKKLand!

PussyLiccker

11-19-13, 01:36

Here I present the Ass Matrix LOL! What's your fancy? I go for "The Bubble". Brazilian girls have the best bubble butts in the entire world. And they are proud of it, as you can see from their national Miss Bum Bum (pronounced "boom boom") contest. How many other nations have such a contest worshiping the buttocks cheeks? Brazil is an ass man's paradise! Different strokes for different folks, different tits for different tricks! Oh, and arses too hahaha!I've attached some example of what I'm looking for. See. Firm, but still round and you can still call it an ass. LOL.

Mr Ho

11-19-13, 03:32

How come you never consider Brazil? If you can fly all the way to Germany, then you can go all the way to Brazil too like other Japanese men do. I always see Japanese tourists in Rio de Janeiro every time I'm there, including in the termas. What's the matter Ho? You can't handle that Brazilian "boom boom" (_I_)? Hahaha! One thing I love about Brazil is the mix of girls. Black girls, white girls, brown girls, all mixed up blood girls! Many with the nice, round bubble butts like I have lust in my heart for. If you think FKKs have divesrsity, man you haven't seen anything yet until you go to Brazil! And Brazilian girls deliver the goods. They fuck for keeps! For the Asian "mixes", I believe you must go to Sao Paolo where many Japanese people have emigrated to and have had sexual relations with the natives LOL! I like Amerasian girls. They give me a big boner. I wish I could hump more "cauasians" like you do Mr. Ho. Well, I do plan to "pivot" towards Asia eventually. Look out Angeles City! Because here I come for the Asian babes with the nice buttocks!

Here are a few interesting diversity facts about Brazil:

- More people of Japanese descent live in Brazil than in any other country in the world, except for Japan itself.

- More people of African descent live in Brazil than in any other country in the world, except for Nigeria.

- More people of Italian descent live in Brazil than in any other country in the world, except for Italy itself.

And I could go on. Many people do not know these things about Brazil. It is a very large and diverse country made up of many different types of people, including Native American peoples. So come now Ho! We go to Brazil and fuck many beautiful woman of different races! Ha! OK, no more of my promotions on behalf of Brazil here. After all, this is FKKLand!Well I would love to go to Brazil, but for me German fkk is more convinient for language issue and also flight to Brazil from Japan is over 20hours and flight to germany from Japan is 12 hours, so I prefer german fkk the best. Plus you find some Brazilian girls in German fkk too. I know in Brazil you find real stunners, but hmm it is too far out. Plus german fkk satisfy me fine even though I got my doubt, quest for better looking girls within german fkk etc. But they that is why this lounge and chat areas for right? Chatting and exchanging info about mongering.

As I wrote I just had half german, half black Brazilian girl in Artemis about 2 month ago, she was real stunner straight out from hip hop music video even better looking, for me that is fine.

Also my type is blonde Swedish type, which you can get with German girl! Nice blonde German girls are nice. But more and more becoming hard to find in place like palace or Artemis even you find them it is all plastic robocop blondes with too much tattoos. You know real pro hooker plastic looks. I like natural model looking blonde or blonde natural teeny girl from sweden, but I only met Swedish blonde once in German fkk, that is why I mention German blonde as it could be good substitute for my fantasy natural blonde model looking girl! . (grrr where are the probability to find them! GT or NRW, my hunts continue LOL) I like German girls and German people in general, mostly they are easy going people and friendly people!

Since I have Brazilian friend so I may go to Brazil one day, but now my area of hunting in within Germany, I wish I find more and more of my fantasy blonde model looking girl in this coming up years! Oh I miss some of the fkk girls I had and they are gone now. Even it is pay for sex it is funny feeling when these girls quit and dissapear. I often think about my favorites. Am I addicted to German fkk, yes I AM and I AM proud of it! LOL

Mr Ho

11-19-13, 03:42

Hi Mr. Ho,

I go to Japan often. Please tell me how to get a hold of those porno actresses. I want to bang them.Hi there,

Some AV girls do this delivery health service for extra cash. They are all spread out so I cannot say you go to this one and you are all set, but I know one agency who does this and it says in this site that if you have AV porn star you want you can contact and it can be arranged, so I imagine they can arrange almost anyone for you and money can do negotiation here I guess.

Only down side for you is that these agencies are not very foreign friendly I think, agencies are not racist or anything like that, they most likely simply do not speak English so it is hard for them to communicate. It is my imagination here though as people in Japan do not speak English and I doubt these porn or sex industry guys at telephone level or email level has enough education to speak English, you know what I mean.

I leave the site link for you and please know that it only says that they blow you, rim you, etc but no penetration as that is how it is by law. However, sometimes magic can happen, but this is depend, this link below provide service both in Tokyo and Osaka, I am sorry mostly it is Japanese written site, but this is how it is here in Japan. I hope it helps you a bit:

http://proudia.skr.jp/pc/tokyo/top.html

Amriptna111

11-19-13, 04:52

Hi Mr. Ho,

I go to Japan often. Please tell me how to get a hold of those porno actresses. I want to bang them.Man I would pay 1000 euo for Maria Ozawa. Was she good and does she taste nice?

I heard that you have to deak with the yakuza to get to this girl as most of the girl in av industires are controlled by them.

PussyLiccker

11-19-13, 11:07

To be honest with you Mr Pussylicker, I only met one girl that I can think of who was professional experienced girl and whom I had sweet session with. She upsell to me though, I agree to pay that extra amount, but gosh it was worth it! But generally, professional girl are too mechanic or too unhuman, also they upsell, alot of no, and alot of time no is no, so I much prefer newbies.Well, I understand what you mean, but I don't think all experienced girls are mechanical although they may be inhuman. Mechanicalness can be said about new girls also. If you go the RLD, you will run into the so called new girls or part time workers that hasn't been broken in to be ready to give BBBJ or DFK to strangers in an FKK. They provide mechanical sex and covered BJ, but they are new. Even in an FKK, I've had my share of new in the business girls that lacked the experience, but they cannot be called mechanical technically, although they are inexperienced and may seem mechanical, but they do have the innocent charm and not have the quick thinking attitudes an experienced pro would have.

An experienced pro can provide good services or bad. Experienced pros can be so smart that they can pretty much act out GFE or PSE and convince the men that they are in love with them etc. That's what experience would get some of the much socially smart girls, that can pick up on men's thought very quickly. Then you have the ones that chooses to provide bad service because they feel that providing DFK and GFE or PSE is beyond them, and they don't want to waste that emotional energy. Girls at Palace come to mind for this. I'm sure some of them cannot bring themselves to provide such service to any men, and they would provide mechanical sex. Some probably can, but they choose not to waste their emotional energy. All in all, it is indeed would take a toll on some girl's emotional health. I hear about girls having some emotional problems and etc. But not all I'm sure, some have weaker minds than others.

So, new girls IMO has not been broken in and they are more innocent and natural because of lack of experience. Also, even if the services is poor, the charm is there and it does feel more genuine GFE. I do click better with new girls (they do usually approach me) , and I tend to go to the room with them more because I feel more GFE from them. Also, conversations are more interesting with new girls which adds to the GFE. For PSE I do get them from more experienced girls that provide good services.

Not just in NRW, but I saw many girls who I saw in palace in Artemis, also I found few girls who are escort who normally charge 400euro per hour, but we get them for like 120 euro in FKK. Funny huh? 120euro in fkk and 400euro in escort agency.Well, the difference between working at a FKK and getting calls is that at FKK, there are men everywhere, and business is efficient. For calls on the other hand, it would not be likely that they would get business frequently so even if they make the 400e, it could be way less frequent. And also, you have to consider that they are escorting in a country where FKKs are common, most men will just go to FKK and find other girls. So whether it's 75e an hour or 120, if they are sought after, they can do 20 men in a day (a girl from GT gets that much business) , and make many times as much.

Mr Ho

11-19-13, 12:22

Well, I understand what you mean, but I don't think all experienced girls are mechanical although they may be inhuman. Mechanicalness can be said about new girls also. If you go the RLD, you will run into the so called new girls or part time workers that hasn't been broken in to be ready to give BBBJ or DFK to strangers in an FKK. They provide mechanical sex and covered BJ, but they are new. Even in an FKK, I've had my share of new in the business girls that lacked the experience, but they cannot be called mechanical technically, although they are inexperienced and may seem mechanical, but they do have the innocent charm and not have the quick thinking attitudes an experienced pro would have.

An experienced pro can provide good services or bad. Experienced pros can be so smart that they can pretty much act out GFE or PSE and convince the men that they are in love with them etc. That's what experience would get some of the much socially smart girls, that can pick up on men's thought very quickly. Then you have the ones that chooses to provide bad service because they feel that providing DFK and GFE or PSE is beyond them, and they don't want to waste that emotional energy. Girls at Palace come to mind for this. I'm sure some of them cannot bring themselves to provide such service to any men, and they would provide mechanical sex. Some probably can, but they choose not to waste their emotional energy. All in all, it is indeed would take a toll on some girl's emotional health. I hear about girls having some emotional problems and etc. But not all I'm sure, some have weaker minds than others..Wow! Mr Pussylicker, your observation is something very similar to what I thought about FKK girls. It may sound bit strange, but I get so philosophical about fkk girls sometimes and even at fkk, I am sometimes in deep thought between the session why fkk girls are such and such or why did she tell me this or why she liked me enough to tell me this or why she no longer like me.

I am someone who treat girls in fkk with respect and try to treat them like how I treat some of my girl friends in private life. Ofcourse I am clear with what I want for my money, but paying them does not mean I own the girl, so I prefer being nice to them and be fun with them.

There are so many times girl at fkk tell me their real name and invited me into her private life, but at one point she realized that she has to cut me off from her life due to the place we met is fkk. Which I understand because girls that who open up to me like this tend to be more close to normal girls who broke themselves into fkk for few years to get enough money for university or open their own business. It is very strange to meet them outside the club as normal girls. At the beginning I was always worry as I was scare that she is going to set me up or try to take money. But I was wrong and she never asked me for any money like she emphasizes when she told me her real name that this is not about money. After all some of these fkk girls are just normal pure girl at one point, but life put her into this fkk job. But pure part of her is stored still very deep inside her. This is only apply to some few%of girl at fkk, as some girls just lost it after too much crazy shits in fkk.

You know strange as it may sound, so much dramas happened to me at fkk. I even had one girl opened up and begin to cry. I did not know what to do after. Please do not get me wrong here, I did not make her cry. After few years knowing her, she opened up and she begin to tell me her story how she ended up in fkk, what her dream was when she was young etc and she began to break down in tear. Seriously, I was almost in tears too. I mean I had some very heavy moment both mentally and sexually at fkk.

I am sure or I hope I am not the only one, but fkk has been much more complicated and philosophical places to me than normal average punter who just fuck fuck fuck. I was like that at the beginning, but seriously fkk is like deep deep hole that keep sucking you in each time I visit and I click with some real nice girl, crazy sex sex then more insane sex then after I often end up having all sort of philosophical drama sentimental moments with some of these girls I get to know. Sometimes it make me sad, but somehow it always stored in me as good memory.

NRW. Blowjob with condom? Nooooooo! I was brought up with that in my early years of punter experience till I find German fkk! In 90s alot of these sex places offer the service with only with condom blow job! I aint going back, I aint going back there to 90s LOL I only went to GT once, but so far never had any girl who blow me with condom. They all did it without! I had some girls who asked me if I want BJ with condom or without? But I always say without!

As you know for clubs like place or Artemis they always only hire girls with minimum professional experience of 1 year at another club, I always try to find one with only one or two years experience in the business, these girls are still nice, still pure somehow and have technique and also willing to do adventutre into new sexual things. I always only go for 30minites at the beginning with new girl to see how we click and try to examine how she could be if I take her for longer.

I guess choosing fkk girls are like life, some you win, some you lose. To always win let us exchange infos, wisdom and thought and fun stories of mongering and let us power up ready for battle in fkk LOL.

Dreams

11-19-13, 17:27

Well I would love to go to Brazil, but for me German fkk is more convinient for language issue and also flight to Brazil from Japan is over 20hours and flight to germany from Japan is 12 hours, so I prefer german fkk the best. Plus you find some Brazilian girls in German fkk too. I know in Brazil you find real stunners, but hmm it is too far out. Plus german fkk satisfy me fine even though I got my doubt, quest for better looking girls within german fkk etc. But they that is why this lounge and chat areas for right? Chatting and exchanging info about mongering.

As I wrote I just had half german, half black Brazilian girl in Artemis about 2 month ago, she was real stunner straight out from hip hop music video even better looking, for me that is fine.

Also my type is blonde Swedish type, which you can get with German girl! Nice blonde German girls are nice. But more and more becoming hard to find in place like palace or Artemis even you find them it is all plastic robocop blondes with too much tattoos. You know real pro hooker plastic looks. I like natural model looking blonde or blonde natural teeny girl from sweden, but I only met Swedish blonde once in German fkk, that is why I mention German blonde as it could be good substitute for my fantasy natural blonde model looking girl! . (grrr where are the probability to find them! GT or NRW, my hunts continue LOL) I like German girls and German people in general, mostly they are easy going people and friendly people!

Since I have Brazilian friend so I may go to Brazil one day, but now my area of hunting in within Germany, I wish I find more and more of my fantasy blonde model looking girl in this coming up years! Oh I miss some of the fkk girls I had and they are gone now. Even it is pay for sex it is funny feeling when these girls quit and dissapear. I often think about my favorites. Am I addicted to German fkk, yes I AM and I AM proud of it! LOLMr HO,

As I am sure you know if you are living in Japan, there are quite a lot of Brazilian girls in Japan, (for example, just go to the Asakusa carnaval) and, indeed, a lot of Brazilian girls of Japanese descent in Brazil. They will speak Japanese. But. They may not have the same butt then indigenous Brazilians girls.

NoT sure why I am writing this, BTW.

StarletVoyager

11-19-13, 23:48

The stuff about powering up for battle in the fkk club is fucking hilarious very funny. You are certainly a gentleman with a great sense of humour Mr. Ho! also the girls on gt Vienna video I was told were hired Slovakian models. that is the video with the large number of girls, (50 girl photoshoot), not the other videos. Possibly misleading on their behalf but i am sure gt Vienna is still worth checking out. Oase is a must for you!! you will love that club, i still do after 5 years.

The Cane

11-20-13, 01:37

Also my type is blonde Swedish type, which you can get with German girl! Nice blonde German girls are nice. But more and more becoming hard to find in place like palace or Artemis even you find them it is all plastic robocop blondes with too much tattoos. You know real pro hooker plastic looks. I like natural model looking blonde or blonde natural teeny girl from sweden, but I only met Swedish blonde once in German fkk, that is why I mention German blonde as it could be good substitute for my fantasy natural blonde model looking girl!Seems like you have some "blonde ambition" there Mr. Ho. A lot of it in fact LOL! How do you like these? They are just a very small sampling of my Brazilian blonde tutes. I told you. I gets mine! And, I guarantee you that I fucked every last single one of them in their deep, tight, warm anuses too! Hahaha! Oh, I have many blonde FKK tutes as well. Only problem is that FKK Land is not a "picture culture" like "Bum Bum Land" and other places are. Otherwise, I could show you the kind of blonde German, Ukranian, Polish, and Russian tutes I bugger when I go to Germany LOL! Never had a Swedish girl or a Finn, but have had Danish and Norwegian. I like a "Danish" in the morning haha! The Dane looked like a Zsa Zsa Gabor!

Mr Ho

11-20-13, 01:51

Mr HO,

As I am sure you know if you are living in Japan, there are quite a lot of Brazilian girls in Japan, (for example, just go to the Asakusa carnaval) and, indeed, a lot of Brazilian girls of Japanese descent in Brazil. They will speak Japanese. But. They may not have the same butt then indigenous Brazilians girls.

NoT sure why I am writing this, BTW.Once upon a time I lived in Switzerland and there were many Brazilian girls there who works in sex industry. In Japan. Yes I know but they are not exactly my type. Only place in the world where it satisfy my taste level is actually German FKK.

German FKK has the best performance and also you can see what you pay for before, so this is plus for me. With escort etc. You are relying entirely on hand of escort agency owner and in sex industry there are many scams. Where as German FKK is more reliable and most of staffs not just girls I met at the clubs are very prompt people. I have to say I am very impress with most of management side of German FKK clubs.

I never went to any place where variety, beauty level, security etc etc are standard of German fkk. In JapanI behave myself except for some porn actress from Japanese porn industry comes along my way.

BUT this is where my German fkk comes into picture LOL I begin to calculate many things with German FKK price standards. For instance. I always well not always LOL often think like this."with this price, I can do 60minutes, CIM and maybe anal in German FKK" You know what I mean. LOL I cannot help to think in this mindset now and this is installed to many areas of my life since I was infected with German fkk addiction. It is good that I do not live there in Germany, I will goto FKK every two days LOL Living far from German FKK is rehab for me LOL but few times a year. I fly half the way around the world to have moments of insane 12 days of every day sex LOL when I get back from German FKK. I am sitting in cafe quietly or something in Japan I often have little flashbacks of these days in German fkk LOL Whatta place German fkk. Most liberal place in the world LOL anything goes there.

Mr Ho

11-20-13, 02:05

The stuff about powering up for battle in the fkk club is fucking hilarious very funny. You are certainly a gentleman with a great sense of humour Mr. Ho! also the girls on gt vienna video i was told were hired slovakian models. that is the video with the large number of girls, (50 girl photoshoot), not the other videos. Possibly misleading on their behalf but i am sure gt vienna is still worth checking out. Oase is a must for you!! you will love that club, i still do after 5 years.Thank you Mr Starletvoyager! Yes I must try Oase as I never been there. Palace yes, but Oase was too far out and also at that time I was busy at Palace trying to tame this beauty named Joy / July who was German Blonde beauty who apparently retired recently. Well even these girls retire, they always come back for little part time job at fkk, so I may see her again. She was one of those girl who look stunning, but provide bad service, she was real upsell too. I try to charm my way but it did not work; (so I decided to use power of dollar and begin doing negotiation using papers and it took sometime money, charm effort, stupid push and pull game, but after few days going with her everyday. She began open up and I had quite wild time. Therefore I did not go to Oase that time. But next time, I will goto Oase at one point when I base myself in Frankfurt.

You know NRW and Berlin can be done in one trip as it is like 4hour by train yes? It is close enough, but frankfurt and berlin cannot be done in one trip as I have to take plane. I do not like that. But train ride between NRW and Berlin is nice enough distance, you know leaving Berlin after lunch and then I bet at NRW fkk by maximum 5PM! Good time to begin hunting.

I try to be nice in German FKK as much as I can because I know it is tough and rough jobs for girls, but I must be careful as if girls take my kindness as weakness they try to play you around, so it is bit of whips and candys I suppose.

Also my FKK addiction got so extended to the level where, if I go to let say GT, I am worry that I am missing something in Artemis. You know what I mean LOL It is so sad, but I often thinks like "shit, maybe it was better to goto this club instead of here. Maybe more beauties there tonight" LOL But hey, now and then I find real beauty to my taste and I am settle with her for whole trip, the worst is finding the one on the last day, but so far it never happened. When I find the one, I find half way the trip as I go everyday to fkk during 12days LOL after the trip I am like I do not want sex LOL

You know finding the one stunner, is like Olympic game, it comes about every 2 years for me with my own statisitics, I have good year then I do not find nothing. Then year after I find the one again!

To increase the ratio, I may begin to move around a bit next trip, Artemis (Berlin) and GT (Duss) can be done in one trip as again both cities are close enough to be done Via train ride and it is like 40euro one way, so 80 euro is like one session at fkk, so I can mentally handle that LOL Please do not get me wrong, I am not stingy ass, I can pay to girls and I do, but it is just that I am so addicted to German fkk that I begin to calculate alot of things according to FKK prices LOL I even find it so sad about myself and hilarious at the same time LOL

I do not want to admit this but finding German FKK about 5 years ago changed my life LOL I always was punter but German fkk is the Sh_t!

The Cane

11-20-13, 02:24

Hi there,

Only down side for you is that these agencies are not very foreign friendly I think, agencies are not racist or anything like that, they most likely simply do not speak English so it is hard for them to communicate. It is my imagination here though as people in Japan do not speak English and I doubt these porn or sex industry guys at telephone level or email level has enough education to speak English, you know what I mean.

http://proudia.skr.jp/pc/tokyo/top.htmlI think the best way to hook up with a pretty Japanese porno starlet is to receive direct help from a trusted friend with the knowledge of Ho who can set everything up for you. This way, you can be assured of getting the experience you want rather than failing like most Gaijin who have little or no chance at success in Japan with porno girls. Although, Mr. Ho I noticed that the site you provided the link to has an English language option. I would think that would mean that whoever is behind the site and those who support it would be more inclined to be prepared to serve English speakers maybe? But then again, maybe not!

Mr Ho

11-20-13, 03:10

Seems like you have some "blonde ambition" there Mr. Ho. A lot of it in fact LOL! How do you like these? They are just a very small sampling of my Brazilian blonde tutes. I told you. I gets mine! And, I guarantee you that I fucked every last single one of them in their deep, tight, warm anuses too! Hahaha! Oh, I have many blonde FKK tutes as well. Only problem is that FKK Land is not a "picture culture" like "Bum Bum Land" and other places are. Otherwise, I could show you the kind of blonde German, Ukranian, Polish, and Russian tutes I bugger when I go to Germany LOL! Never had a Swedish girl or a Finn, but have had Danish and Norwegian. I like a "Danish" in the morning haha! The Dane looked like a Zsa Zsa Gabor!Haha, Zsa zsa Gabor in her prime and not now I hope LOL. It is insane, she is still alive! Legend from legend time where things were more real, but hey for punters things are more real now! German FKK is not legal then!

For me the best girl I had in German fkk was Swedish / German girl I met in both Palace and Artemis. She was real stunner, she quit now. Unfortunately.

Well I like blonde but real ones are hard to find. But I always find one who looks stunned and as for session, depend which one.

I mean my taste is not fixed on blonde, I either like Model type looks girl with natural body (I don't care about size of breast too much). Well both are bit harder to find than those real pro looking girls with bunch of tattoos and many plastic.

For me anal is nice more mentally than physically, I prefer tight pussy than tight asshole actually, but since it is hard to find tight pussy in fkk, I go for asses with the girl who offer anal services, as you know not all girls offer anal service and even very experienced girl sometimes quit offering anal service after some bad experience. I mean I begin slow and try to see if she can take it hard, but you know some guys just do hardcore anal and then. She is destroyed, then she decide not to do it anymore, well you can always negotiate your way through though, but I prefer the girls who can take it and do crazy anal session. You really cannot judge the session by race, but with my experience, a lot of German girls can take anal more harder than others. This is my experience statistically. Most crazy girls I met in German fkk has been German girls actually. I wonder why that is, is it the environment of Germany or it was just me who felt that way. You know many Romanian girls are around at fkk, but I do not remember having best session with them, they are always nice and friendly, but as for session they are good, but I always had impression that they do not do crazy things too much. Hmm is it just me? Well my taste is more oriented toward German girls so it is all cool by me in the end, everytime I meet Germans I always say "German girls they are cool girls" but no need to explain the reason why I say do LOL LOL

Mr Ho

11-20-13, 03:28

I think the best way to hook up with a pretty Japanese porno starlet is to receive direct help from a trusted friend with the knowledge of Ho who can set everything up for you. This way, you can be assured of getting the experience you want rather than failing like most Gaijin who have little or no chance at success in Japan with porno girls. Although, Mr. Ho I noticed that the site you provided the link to has an English language option. I would think that would mean that whoever is behind the site and those who support it would be more inclined to be prepared to serve English speakers maybe? But then again, maybe not!Oh the site I put up has English option? I did not know that, cool and good for you. I think the best is to write them mail and then call or vice versa.

I would help, but I cannot because I am not licensed to do that. In my country everything is controlled and it is all licensing, this apply to Ho industry. So if I get caught doing it, I get arrested for being illegal pimp then I got to switch my name to Mr Ho to Mr Illegal Pimp;. (But I am always happy to tell you / answer things that I know or experienced, this agency is not rip off, there are not many rip off or exchanging of girls here, but it is expensive! Now here goes my German fkk addiciton syndrome calculation comes in LOL I paid about 1200euro for 70min for maria ozawa few years back. For that price. I can have about minimum 10hour session with fkk girl in German fkk (I took rate from Artemis where it is more pricey than other German fkk with my knowledge).

Maria Ozawa was worth it, but hmmm I much much prefer mongering for 10hour in German fkk with all these crazy threesome and so on LOL. Crazy place German fkk. It is like some wild concrete sex jungle. Where we crave each others body. Crazy real crazy even after so many years, sessions I still feel this way LOL.

Seriously sad as it may sound, I do not think I will ever quit German fkk. I mean I still get excited to go. Picture this, me on the way during 12hours flght to Germany. Once they opened my hand luggage at Shonenfeld airport in Berlin Germany upon arrival and they found my envelope of money all in 20euro and 10 euro totalling about 10000 euro. The security officer looked at me very strange and told me why all in 10s and 20s and so much money on you? I told officers, I am here for German fkk and girls do not have change for 100euro notes and that is their trick and I have siginificant amount of money for my 12 days every day at fkk and I am going to spend this all at fkk girls and the officer began lahghing so hard saying you are good tourist LOL about one hour later from that, I was on floor of the Artemis jungle executing my travel mission as pro punter LOL.

It make me wonder for my next year trip, if I should goto Frankfurt so I have Oase and Palace. Oase I never went and I get the feeling that it is like GT but more girls.

Or.

I goto Berlin for artemis and then take train (it like 4hours right and 40euro oneway?) to dusseldorg and I hit GT and few other fkk there. Well in worst case I got artemis and Gt in this care. Artemis can be real good for line up or real bad, I mean I went to Artemis once for 12 days zero stunner. It was so bad I got unlucky. GT I went only once for I think it was 4 days and it was pretty good, but somehow I never went back. I think GT and Artemis is good combination.

What is hard evil difficult spoilt choices I have. Frank or duss and Berlin. Hmm

Amriptna111

11-20-13, 04:35

PussyLiccker

11-20-13, 05:06

Mr Ho

11-20-13, 05:29

Just looked through the japanese site linked by Mr. Ho. 90min for 50, 000 Yen? That's $500 in US currency.

Mr. Ho,

Are there more reasonable cheaper options in Japan? Like the FKK, like 50e for half hour?Not really, here good sexual service begin at I would say minimum about 350euro per 60minutes, anything below that is bit shaky on quality of girls and even at 350euro it is bit too cheap for good girl. I am sorry for that but this is how it is. But then it is my opinion with my experience and I am bit choosy with girls.

For AV porn actress for the famous one, you can forget it for anything below 500Euro minimum. Normally for real famous one it cost about 1000 euro up for like 90minutes. It is Japan it already is expensive and for these things if you want the quality it is very expensive here. I paid in Japanese, 150000yen for 70minutes two years ago. She is one of the most famous one, but it was expensive. Personally I much prefer Germany or in Czech I hear you can get porn star escort for like 400 euro per hour.

Again for mongering Germany is the best, I never been to Brazil, so I have to discover that one day. I am sorry for this but I am the victim here as I have to pay this if I want the quality that I want, but once in awhile I travel half the way around the world for German fkk beauties.

Mr Ho

11-20-13, 05:43

This is doubt about commuting to our sexual battle fields AKA FKK around Dusseldorf regions. I got problem to find best punter mobile options.

Last time I was at Golden time I had such a difficulty commuting. I stayed in hotel in Dusseldorf and taxi fare was way above 50euro I remember, I think it was 70 something euro.

Are there any hotel near Golden time? Like 10min taxi ride?

I mean last train is like at midnight, so I had to use taxi each day to go back to hotel and it is real annoying fee to pay. I was too stupid to check the first train actually, but do you know the first train ride from the station near Goldentime (I forgot the name but there was a station like 10minutes taxi ride) to Dusseldorf? As a alternative solution I can stay at the club till it closes at 5am and take the first train back to Dusseldorf.

NRW is real pain for commuting for traveller like me and renting a car is not option as I do not want to drive in the place where I do not know the way around, it is not just for me but it put other people in danger (I am not that bad of driver but just in case.).

Does anyone know hotel near Golden time or the time for first train ride back to Dusseldorf so I can consider staying till the end at Golden time

Or

Any better way of commuting method to Golden time?

I think staying in fkk till the end and take the first train back can be good idea if there is train at like 5:30 Am to dusseldorf. So I can stay at dusseldorf and I can enjoy travellng around all fkk around NRW based in Dusseldorf just staying in the club till it closes at 5AM. This is better solution actually, how are the time for first train to dusseldorf? Is it around 5:30AM or?

How do you guys do it?

StarletVoyager

11-20-13, 06:18

The time by train from Frankfurt to Berlin is exactly the same time from nrw to Berlin ie 4 hours. I have done this before and I am doing a Frankfurt Artemis tour in December. I paid 69 euro from Frankfurt to Berlin by train dbahn one way. Very easy to do. I fly into Frankfurt do not use that return and fly home from Berlin,(cheaper return than one way). The train is fast and comfortable.

Nille Copenhagen

11-20-13, 10:03

Never had a Swedish girl or a Finn, but have had Danish and Norwegian. I like a "Danish" in the morning haha! The Dane looked like a Zsa Zsa Gabor!Dear The Cane & Mr. Ho,

There are none real Nordic girls in the FKK's! There could be Polish, Russians, Baltic girls claiming they are from the Nordic, they might have worked in the Nordic, so can speak a few works. LOL.

If you want real Nordic girls you should come to Copenhagen, but they are not cheap. LOL.

Dreams

11-20-13, 12:07

Just looked through the japanese site linked by Mr. Ho. 90min for 50, 000 Yen? That's $500 in US currency.

Mr. Ho,

Are there more reasonable cheaper options in Japan? Like the FKK, like 50e for half hour?While waiting for Mr Ho's answer, I will give my own: "no" is the answer to the last part of your question.

"yes" to the first part, but this cheaper options are not FKK like.

For instance a different experience is a "soapland" which can be had for about 30,000 Yens. Or a nice F&S with a pretty Korean for less than 12000. More on those on the Tokyo thread.

The Cane

11-20-13, 16:03

The Cane

11-20-13, 16:11

You like fat ass don't you.

I prefer small apple tipe ass for anal. The best is Jana from Oase and Alexia Oase.As the song goes,"I like big butts I cannot lie!" But as we say here in America, although pronounced exactly the same, there is a big difference between "fat" versus "phat", with the former being no good and the latter being quite marvelous! Here's another one of my "phat butt" Brazilian tutes! You like? The Cane got up in that redhead's pink butt hole hommes.

The Cane

11-20-13, 16:19

Seriously sad as it may sound, I do not think I will ever quit German fkk. I mean I still get excited to go. Picture this, me on the way during 12hours flght to Germany. Once they opened my hand luggage at Shonenfeld airport in Berlin Germany upon arrival and they found my envelope of money all in 20euro and 10 euro totalling about 10000 euro. The security officer looked at me very strange and told me why all in 10s and 20s and so much money on you? I told officers, I am here for German fkk and girls do not have change for 100euro notes and that is their trick and I have siginificant amount of money for my 12 days every day at fkk and I am going to spend this all at fkk girls and the officer began lahghing so hard saying you are good tourist LOL about one hour later from that, I was on floor of the Artemis jungle executing my travel mission as pro punter LOL.This is absolutely hilarious! LOL! Well, at least you told the truth! And what could he do? You weren't going there to do anything illegal. But I'm curious as to why you were stopped and searched like that in the first place? I mean, the most I ever get asked is why I have come to Germany (I just say tourism) , what cities I'm going to, and that's pretty much it. Somebody here once posted that they worried about being searched and lots of condoms being discovered LOL! That worries me not one bit. But, if they find lots of cash on you (I operate solely on a cash basis too Ho) , then they might think you're laundering money or some shit. Better to come clean as Ho did and elicit a good laugh from the German officials hahaha! If you get nervous and start lying to try to cover up your mongering activities, then that will only draw further suspicion and attention upon yourself.

Howie

11-20-13, 16:39

Once upon a time I lived in Switzerland and there were many Brazilian girls there who works in sex industry. In Japan.Hey Mr Ho,

I'm surprised that you never went to Globe or Club Aphrodisia when you were in Swiss. Club Aphrodisia has a lot of stunners for sure.

By the way, in Tokyo where would you say the best area for Pay4Play? Shibuya or Shinjuko? I used to live near Shibuya. I loved the place. Roppongi was nasty.

Howie

The Cane

11-20-13, 16:56

You really cannot judge the session by race, but with my experience, a lot of German girls can take anal more harder than others. This is my experience statistically. Most crazy girls I met in German fkk has been German girls actually. I wonder why that is, is it the environment of Germany or it was just me who felt that way. You know many Romanian girls are around at fkk, but I do not remember having best session with them, they are always nice and friendly, but as for session they are good, but I always had impression that they do not do crazy things too much. Hmm is it just me? Well my taste is more oriented toward German girls so it is all cool by me in the end, everytime I meet Germans I always say "German girls they are cool girls" but no need to explain the reason why I say do LOL LOLMy observations are similar, although the Romanians are some of my favorites, and I have had outstanding anal sessions with many a Romie. I have been with many types of girls, and I do have to say that statistically for me anyway, the white girls have provided the best anal sex. I mean, it's not even close! They just seem to enjoy it more for one thing. On average they have gotten far more turned on by it with me than girls of any other race, and have even demanded (screaming even) to be butt fucked harder and deeper, like Steffi at Oase (blonde and blue Ruskie).

I had my first anal sex experience ever with a beautiful blonde white girl from Barcelona, Spain (met her in the USA). She preferred sex in her butt more than in her pussy, and even referred to herself as "the butt girl" LOL! She introduced me to anal fucking, and things have never been the same since. The first time I fucked her, I don't think I even got any pussy! Only her anus hahaha! Since that time many, many years ago, I have become addicted to anal sex with pretty girls. The prettier she is, the less I want her pussy and the more I want to fuck her in the ass first! Is this sick or what? LOL! I'm like you in that I like blondes, but the girl does not have to be a blonde, or even a white girl. But as I say, I like anal, I have just found that more white girls get into hard pounding butt sex with me than any other type race of girl. I would butt fuck more girls of other races if they were more open to anal sex.

Also, I don't think you are imagining anything about the German girls. I think that within the group of white girls, they are some of the nastiest and freakiest, along with the white Brazilian girls. My taste in a German girl can be quite different from yours though Mr. Ho. I like all types, but a tattooed up German girl with a nose ring and "tramp stamps" (tattoos) on various parts of her body can be a super turn-on for me as long as she still has a pretty face and hair and nice body. These types tend to be extremely "dirty" and "nasty", hardcore porn performers. This is what The Cane wants when he mongers. This is what excites The Cane and appeals to his prurient interests. She doesn't have to look like that (stereotypical tute). But, I like a girl who can look like that and still be pretty. Because, The Cane likes his sex to be dirty. Very, very dirty. I shall reserve the "girlfriend experience" for real girlfriends only hahaha!

The Cane

11-20-13, 17:33

Again for mongering Germany is the best, I never been to Brazil, so I have to discover that one day. I am sorry for this but I am the victim here as I have to pay this if I want the quality that I want, but once in awhile I travel half the way around the world for German fkk beauties.If you ever decide to go, I can fill you in on all the basics, including names and addresses of places you should check out (some of my favorites have closed!) , best parts of town to get a hotel, best airports, etc. Putting mongering aside, it's just a better overall place for a vacation anyway with better weather, the beach and the ocean, other interesting geography, a diverse people who enjoy life, good food and music. Oh, and lots of anal hahaha! But, you have to sign up for PMs here. That is the best way to exchange information with other members when you want to start getting into personalized specific details for yourself. Otherwise, there is plenty of broad info publicly available in the relevant threads. So, do your homework first so that you can asked informed questions. Lastly, I do not recommend that you go as a first-timer during the World Cup or Olympic Games. Not unless those two events are just your thing. Times will be crazy then, and tutes will be gauging for the highest prices possible. Besides, the "moral police" will be making things hard for mongers (already are) by trying to put on a "good face" for the world. I wouldn't even go to Rio during Carnival to monger, let alone during the Cup or the Games, and I am experienced down there! I wonder how Germany was when they had the World Cup? I bet some tutes really cleaned up with substantial earnings!

Varenne

11-20-13, 18:31

Any better way of commuting method to Golden time?

I think staying in fkk till the end and take the first train back can be good idea if there is train at like 5:30 Am to dusseldorf.The first train from Breyell station (about 6km from Golden time,
http://openrouteservice.org/index.php?start=6.1865845,51.2637121&end=6.2412224,51.2946068&pref=Shortest&lang=de&noMotorways=false&noTollways=false
) leaves at 05:14 and arrives in Düsseldorf Hbf at 06:08.

Mr Ho

11-20-13, 22:08

Dear The Cane & Mr. Ho,

There are none real Nordic girls in the FKK's! There could be Polish, Russians, Baltic girls claiming they are from the Nordic, they might have worked in the Nordic, so can speak a few works. LOL.

If you want real Nordic girls you should come to Copenhagen, but they are not cheap. LOL.I met half Swedish and half German girl before in fkk Palace and Artemis (she used to work in both club plus the escort service). She spoke Swedish (I know this as I asked her to say some staff in Swedish while fucking me LOL). And she was my favorite girl of all time in my mongering experience for looks and session. She does not do anal though, but it was alright, she looked typical elegant swede, but will to do dirty things. I still have her stuck in my mind and I even have a feeling that I do not think I will meet someone who beat her in fkk in future.

Well I hope I will though! We need more Nordic girls as with my taste Nordic and Estonian girls are my favorite! . They are good minded people too! And sexually open.

Mr Ho

11-20-13, 22:14

The first train from Breyell station (about 6km from Golden time,

http://openrouteservice.org/index.php?start=6.1865845,51.2637121&end=6.2412224,51.2946068&pref=Shortest&lang=de&noMotorways=false&noTollways=false

) leaves at 05:14 and arrives in Düsseldorf Hbf at 06:08.Oh! Thank you thank you! This is perfect, leave Goldentime at around 4:30 and I be station at 4:50am wait around a bit in early morning of pure german mist. Oh I love German misty morning especially after insane sex night and commute back to hotel in Dusseldorf to sleep to gear up for next night!

How stupid of me as I was taking taxi back from GT to duss. Each night as I always stayed till after midnight. It add up and it was stupid expense.

So I would say for most NRW fkk, it could be done by train commuting if one stay till the fkk closing time which is about 5AM. And first train service begin in Germany around 5:15AM. Then it is perfect timing for punters, thank you for info and thank you German railways for thinking of early morning punters who need ride back to hotel LOL!

Mr Ho

11-20-13, 22:31

Hey Mr Ho,

I'm surprised that you never went to Globe or Club Aphrodisia when you were in Swiss. Club Aphrodisia has a lot of stunners for sure.

By the way, in Tokyo where would you say the best area for Pay4Play? Shibuya or Shinjuko? I used to live near Shibuya. I loved the place. Roppongi was nasty.

HowieHi Mr Howie, thank you for post. I was living there in 1999 till 2006 and when I was in zurich I went to club called Boombastic and same owner had few clubs so I was going around his branches. I only found out about Globe after leaving swiss in German fkk, a girl at fkk Artemis told me about Globe as she was also working there.

Is Globe as good as some people say? According to girl I met at Artemis. Globe is so selective that girls do not like working there, but quality of girls there are good due to hard selection by management there also service level is high, I understood that you get DFK from everyone from Globe? (well I read never went there) , I suppose they look all stunning too? But what else do you get rimming included in price or something? Or? For me I am interested to goto globe if it is THE club where I do not need to look for THE one like I have to in German fkks, you know globe being the collection of best girls from German fkk kinda place then I am interested to go.

I found out about this forum about 2 weeks ago and wow I am amazed that there are so many true jetset punters LOL I never imagined this.) It is great, I always thought in the airplane on the way to germany that I am nuts to go all the way to Germany to mongering (this is all I do there and eat good lunch (outside fkk) every day to gear up for new day of sexual war at fkk LOL). Haha Viva Jetset punter!

As for Japan I like:

http://www.d-kagayaki.com/

I use here sometimes, and you sometimes get porn actress but it is lotto as they do not use their actress name. Apparently by contract with their agency, they are not allowed to.

But seriously I much prefer German fkk, but if you want to fuck Japanese girl, then it is different story as I never met japanese girl at fkk in germany, apparently there are but I got feeling they do not look good. Please remember though you cannot fuck them unless they allow you, they blow you without condom, cim, rimming, dfk etc etc but no intercourse, it is by law, however, you get lucky sometimes and I even did with some of them no condom. Girls are tested here and I choose which girl I do this with. Oh hey, since I just mentioned it, do you guys ever did no condom sex at german fkk? I never tried and maybe I never will as 10minute of pleasure eternal STD. But at the same time German FKK girls at least in big ones get tested every 2 weeks and also they can get tested anytime girls want, so it is more or less STD free.

In conclusion though, if you want similar to German fkk then go to Phillipines or Thailand not Japan, Japan is expensive for this, I do not monger much here anymore. You know my German FKK addiction syndrome and I begin to calculate based on German fkk pricing LOL LOL I cannot help it, I am hooked German FKK.)

Mr Ho

11-20-13, 22:48

My observations are similar, although the Romanians are some of my favorites, and I have had outstanding anal sessions with many a Romie. I have been with many types of girls, and I do have to say that statistically for me anyway, the white girls have provided the best anal sex. I mean, it's not even close! They just seem to enjoy it more for one thing. On average they have gotten far more turned on by it with me than girls of any other race, and have even demanded (screaming even) to be butt fucked harder and deeper, like Steffi at Oase (blonde and blue Ruskie).

I had my first anal sex experience ever with a beautiful blonde white girl from Barcelona, Spain (met her in the USA). She preferred sex in her butt more than in her pussy, and even referred to herself as "the butt girl" LOL! She introduced me to anal fucking, and things have never been the same since. The first time I fucked her, I don't think I even got any pussy! Only her anus hahaha! Since that time many, many years ago, I have become addicted to anal sex with pretty girls. The prettier she is, the less I want her pussy and the more I want to fuck her in the ass first! Is this sick or what? LOL! I'm like you in that I like blondes, but the girl does not have to be a blonde, or even a white girl. But as I say, I like anal, I have just found that more white girls get into hard pounding butt sex with me than any other type race of girl. I would butt fuck more girls of other races if they were more open to anal sex.

Also, I don't think you are imagining anything about the German girls. I think that within the group of white girls, they are some of the nastiest and freakiest, along with the white Brazilian girls. My taste in a German girl can be quite different from yours though Mr. Ho. I like all types, but a tattooed up German girl with a nose ring and "tramp stamps" (tattoos) on various parts of her body can be a super turn-on for me as long as she still has a pretty face and hair and nice body. These types tend to be extremely "dirty" and "nasty", hardcore porn performers. This is what The Cane wants when he mongers. This is what excites The Cane and appeals to his prurient interests. She doesn't have to look like that (stereotypical tute). But, I like a girl who can look like that and still be pretty. Because, The Cane likes his sex to be dirty. Very, very dirty. I shall reserve the "girlfriend experience" for real girlfriends only hahaha!Ok, me too. My taste is heavily toward direction of Blonde, model looking or teeny neighbour hood babe type, you know pure beauty, but I feel you on tattooed up girls as well, I mean most of time I avoid them but now and then I come across tattoed up beauty I can have you know like movie "the girl with dragon tattoo" sex or woodman style- hardcore anal sex LOL you know what I mean? For this I sometimes like tatttoed up girl, also they are someone I have no link to outside fkk clubs, some of my girlfriend in private life may have one or two tattoo, but not tattooed up like in German fkk, so it is like fucking other species and you know I can have not GFE experience with tattooes girl, but let call it woodman experience LOL

Mostly when I do anal, most girls ask me to do it slowly or softly please and I respect that and I follow as much as I can because I do not want hurt the girl, but now and then with some german girl they tell me do it hard as I love it hard LOL and when I get told this it is almost always German white girl LOL I think there must be reason for this in the environment of Germany. During last visit, one girl told me that she get horny mentally when she think about hard anal sex LOL Well lucky me hey?.) But I am not too much of ass man as I got so used to it by now that it became normal LOL see what German fkk do to me LOL I put most selection process on looks, then if I can do dirty things with her like anal it is crazy, but in the end I always respect the girls, also when you go with girl again and again they open up some of them and want to do dirty things as I sometimes get feeling with some fkk girls that when they find the clients that they like and they are comfortable or feel safe with, they also want to experiment crazy things too. Of course it only apply to those girls who has not lost their souls.

As for Brazil. I will consider that as an option, thank you! PM register? I am new here, is it senior member thing or? I am still regular member, so I will see when or how to get to senior member. This forum is putting oil into my fire of German fkk addiction LOL In this past weeks I was surprised to find so many international jetset punters for jetset around for mongering.) Now when I goto Europe from Tokyo it is just for German FKK, that is all I do in Germany. Only thing is I make sure to eat lunch outside fkk, very good lunch so that I am ready for new day of sex war at fkk. I also take some vitamins etc. I mean 12 straight days. I need them it is a sex war! LOL

I am thinking of making my trip 7days each trip and more frequent to Germany though as 12 days straight fkk is nice and I have been doing that for few years, but hey after 7th day, I feel like I am sex worker at fkk LOL you know it feels like it is a job to fuck but I pay for this job kind of feeling LOL so I may cut it to 7 days fkk and more frequent travel to Germany.

Banana Boi

11-21-13, 02:42

Ranking is based on girls only, not the facility itself.

NRW

1. GT
2. ACA
3. Samya
4. Mondial
5. DV
6. PHG
7. Sixsens
8. LR
9. Magnum
10. Heaven 7
11. Babylon.

FRA

1. Sharks
2. Mainhattan
3. World
4. Oase
5. Palace

Just over a year ago - Globe in Zurich, YY in Roermond, Penelope in Essen

PussyLiccker

11-21-13, 03:30

BB,
Thanks for updating us on the clubs at the NRW. It's nice that you have discovered Mondial as it's peaking my interest.

You've ranked Mainhattan #2, Have you visited the club this trip? I ask because you haven't posted anything recently on the Mainhattan thread.

Kick123

11-21-13, 09:07

Hi there,

Some AV girls do this delivery health service for extra cash. They are all spread out so I cannot say you go to this one and you are all set, but I know one agency who does this and it says in this site that if you have AV porn star you want you can contact and it can be arranged, so I imagine they can arrange almost anyone for you and money can do negotiation here I guess.

Only down side for you is that these agencies are not very foreign friendly I think, agencies are not racist or anything like that, they most likely simply do not speak English so it is hard for them to communicate. It is my imagination here though as people in Japan do not speak English and I doubt these porn or sex industry guys at telephone level or email level has enough education to speak English, you know what I mean.

I leave the site link for you and please know that it only says that they blow you, rim you, etc but no penetration as that is how it is by law. However, sometimes magic can happen, but this is depend, this link below provide service both in Tokyo and Osaka, I am sorry mostly it is Japanese written site, but this is how it is here in Japan. I hope it helps you a bit:

http://proudia.skr.jp/pc/tokyo/top.htmlHi Mr. Ho,

Thanks for the link. Did you have real sex with Ozawa when you paid 150,000 Yen, or need to pay extra? It's expensive but if it's without penetration it's just ridiculous.

Banana Boi

11-21-13, 09:11

Thought this may be useful information. Check your passport expiry dates before travelling.

Travelling to Belgium, France, Germany, Spain or Italy?

New European Union regulations affect entry requirements for Belgium, France, Germany, Spain and Italy. If you're travelling to one of these destinations, you'll need to ensure that your passport is valid for at least three (3) months beyond your return date.

Banana Boi

11-21-13, 09:26

You've ranked Mainhattan #2, Have you visited the club this trip?No, last visit was a Wednesday night in July (?). Mainhattan may be #2 in FRA but it's a distant 2nd after Sharks on my visit this past Sunday.

Varenne

11-21-13, 10:18

Oh hey, since I just mentioned it, do you guys ever did no condom sex at german fkk?You should look for answers on the.

What defines an "AO club"? (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3494-What-defines-an-quot-AO-club-quot)

Thread, and in.

Germany - AO Clubs (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?774-Germany-AO-Clubs)

Forum section.

Mr Ho

11-21-13, 12:21

You should look for answers on the.

What defines an "AO club"? (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3494-What-defines-an-quot-AO-club-quot)

Thread, and in.

Germany - AO Clubs (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?774-Germany-AO-Clubs)

Forum section.Oh thanks, I just checked this AO thread. I did not know what AO stand for till now and I did not know such a thing actually existed in such an open way.

As much as I love it, Germany is illest place I know LOL Whatta free country! That is great, but by the look of picture, it is not my gig. I prefer the girls at FKK.

But wow, crazy crazy LOL.

Mr Ho

11-21-13, 12:28

Ranking is based on girls only, not the facility itself.

NRW

1. GT.

2. ACA.

3. Samya.

4. Mondial.

5. DV.

6. PHG.

7. Sixsens.

8. LR.

9. Magnum.

10. Heaven 7.

11. Babylon.

FRA.

1. Sharks.

2. Mainhattan.

3. World.

4. Oase.

5. Palace.

Just over a year ago. Globe in Zurich, YY in Roermond, Penelope in EssenThank you for ranking. How do you rate Artemis VS Goldentime?

I was stunned that Palace was bit low as I am aware of a lot of upselling when I was there, but I did manage to find good looking girl. With upselling price though, but session was good.

StarletVoyager

11-21-13, 22:23

Just a reminder mr Ho Frankfurt to Berlin is same time on train 4 hours as in nrw to Berlin. I am going from oase to Artemis by train in 3 weeks! 69 euros fare. Flying to Frankfurt and then home from Berlin. See earlier post.

Banana Boi

11-21-13, 23:07

Thank you for ranking. How do you rate Artemis VS Goldentime?

I was stunned that Palace was bit low as I am aware of a lot of upselling when I was there, but I did manage to find good looking girl. With upselling price though, but session was good.Never been to Berlin. Hopefully in the Spring.

Palace girls are too old and worn for me. I prefer young cute fresh rookies.

I love having sex with Hungarian girls they are pretty nice in bed and mostly they also have sweet heart, but it sound as though best place to find them for punters are not in Budapest, but in Austrian fkk or German fkk?I saw this in another thread. Which Hungarians are your favorites in German FKK's? Off the top of my head the cutest ones I know are Boni at PHG, Nora at Sixsens, and Andreea at Sharks. I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

ShoesAndSocks

11-21-13, 23:52

Is Globe as good as some people say? According to girl I met at Artemis. Globe is so selective that girls do not like working there, but quality of girls there are good due to hard selection by management there also service level is high, I understood that you get DFK from everyone from Globe? For me I am interested to goto globe if it is THE club where I do not need to look for THE one like I have to in German fkksMr Ho, I went to Globe for the first time earlier this year (as well as returning to Palace, Oase, & Artemis). I did a very detailed review in the Zurich thread back in August.

Prices are 95CHF entry and 140CHF per 30mins, so it's more expensive than German FKKs. Zurich is a very expensive city.

However, there is no hard bargaining nor upselling from the ladies, all provide DFK. 30mins is always 30mins, and there are some stunners there (check out the TagesPlan on their website. Photos are of the actual ladies, obviously glammed up and photoshopped). Also, you can have sex pretty much anywhere in the club, which is an extra dimension I really liked. Summary for me, premium prices for a premium experience. I felt very unhassled and more relaxed spending days there. On my next European trip, I'll be flying in / out of ZRH instead of FRA so I can return there.

So, perhaps worth a try for you.

Mr Ho

11-22-13, 00:39

Mr Ho, I went to Globe for the first time earlier this year (as well as returning to Palace, Oase, & Artemis). I did a very detailed review in the Zurich thread back in August.

Prices are 95CHF entry and 140CHF per 30mins, so it's more expensive than German FKKs. Zurich is a very expensive city.

However, there is no hard bargaining nor upselling from the ladies, all provide DFK. 30mins is always 30mins, and there are some stunners there (check out the TagesPlan on their website. Photos are of the actual ladies, obviously glammed up and photoshopped). Also, you can have sex pretty much anywhere in the club, which is an extra dimension I really liked. Summary for me, premium prices for a premium experience. I felt very unhassled and more relaxed spending days there. On my next European trip, I'll be flying in / out of ZRH instead of FRA so I can return there.

So, perhaps worth a try for you.Yes, I lived in Switzerland for few years, it is very expensive, but it sound like The Globe has quality and difference for me will be cutting efforts / stress of finding the girl I want, where as in German FKK, I do find stunners, and also few girls I met told me that they also work in The Globe and all these girls who told me this was real beauty, so basically The Globe Zurich will be more expensive, but it will automatically almost provide me the girls I would have to really seek for in German FKK and also service is guaranteed. If the line up is secure then The Globe must be the places for punter who seek for the beauty with experienced skill in the room. It remind me of what girls told me at artemis that in artemis you have to have experienced in other fkk at least one year or so to work in artemis, but quality can be unstable in artemis, some very good, some very bad, so in away artemis can be just other German fkk just with mainly more pro girls with experience, which I do not enjoy the look very much sometimes and as I said good session is not guaranteed as in The Globe.

Artemis is slitely more expensive than other German fkk, but I do not know why that is exactly. But the globe being almost double the price of german fkk sound like the place where it guarantee you the quality of girls look, service and time they promise to give. Definitely sound like place to be!

In defense of German fkk though, sometimes you meet stunners and some of them are so nice and beautiful and there are quite few occasions when these girls give me service for like 45 minutes and charge me only for 30 minutes. Well ofcourse, these type of real good girl comes in to my fkk life like an Olympic every few years, but when I do find girl like that, it is fantastic moment! After all girls at fkk are human and not products, they could also nice and infact even more nicer than normal girls. I respect some of these German fkk girls to still have good soul deep inside after all the years working in rather mayhem like environment. I must emphasizes that these type of fkk girl is so rare though.) I am always batteling against upsell with not good session inside the package etc LOL so to avoid that I should make my way to The Globe some day then! Thanks!

Mr Ho

11-22-13, 00:47

Just a reminder mr ho frankfurt to berlin is same time on train 4 hours as in nrw to berlin. I am going from oase to artemis by train in 3 weeks! 69 euros fare. Flying to frankfurt and then home from berlin. See earlier post.Yes thank you.

Frank has Palace and Oase, and Oase is far but it seems more easy to commute than fkks in NRW area. Palace I went but oase not yet. According to below ranking it is not ranked too hight though but facility seems amazing during summer, you can do outdoor sex with some privacy it seems. It has big garden and big line up.

For GT, next time I go I may base myself in hotel in Monchengladbach. It seems to be most closest town that can be called town near GT. Last time I visited GT I was staying in Duss and I went to near by train station by train, but taxi was so hard to find at the station. So this monchengladbach seems close enough location where I can even taxi to GT. I thought about Velon, but I do not know how it is for crossing boarder with taxi at after or around mid night etc. NRW seems to have so many hot fkk with girls just began in business you know innocent type, but to commute for foreigners it is so hard till you get to know the way round the area. To rent a car and drive after intense all day fkk at midnight for me is not an option, so I got to figure out where to base myself and also train commuting and also if taxi is easy to find. One of the day, I paid some cool dude I met at train station near gt (I forgot the name, but was small station) to give me a lift for 10 euro LOL I was bit shame to ask, but I had not much choice LOL.

Dreams

11-22-13, 12:20

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Which Hungarians are your favorites in German FKK's? Off the top of my head the cutest ones I know are Boni at PHG, Nora at Sixsens, and Andreea at Sharks. I'm sure I'm forgetting some.Is Judith still at Oase? One of the best kissers in the business, I recall.

Horbate

11-22-13, 15:44

Hi guys-

There was a bit of a discussion on this thread recently that included Zurich and Club Aphrodisia. Check out the report that I posted last night on the Zurich thread about my visit if you are interested.

Horbate

Hessen Bub

11-22-13, 16:36

Is Judith still at Oase? One of the best kissers in the business, I recall.She's retired, since August or so.

HB

StarletVoyager

11-22-13, 22:41

Also don't underestimate what Artemis has to offer. The actual club itself is astounding in terms of facilities more than 5 million euro investment by a Turkish gentleman. I have never seen a club with the large size and hardware that Artemis has anywhere in Germany. It is the only club that is true fkk in Berlin. Another two things to take into account. 1) the geographical location of the club in northeast Germany is very close to Poland and arguably closer to the Czech republic. Ultimately this means fewer Rumanian girls and a much larger selection of true blonde Polish and German girls etc. If you get me. Secondly as a city to explore and do some tourism, for surely even the most athletic of us need a small break from the pussy, you have the parliament building, checkpoint charlie, east side, museums, amazing nightclubs. Frankfurt and nrw simply cannot match. My trip is a combination of frankfurt for rumanian lovely next door dark types and Berlin for the blonde germanic types. Do not worry too much about reports of way too much silicone girls in Berlin you can find what you want no problem. With regards to setting up a base, artemis is in west berlin, the richer side of the city, and it is so easy to find quality cheap hotels there. I always mix some nightclubs in for dancing like when I leave Artemis at 5am and head to the skyclub or weekend club and the girls on the dance floor there are curious as to why I'm not chasing and approaching them like the other guys in the club, even though I have very good dance skills! LOL well we all know the reason for that! and of course as our friend horbate recently said about the train journey it is for the excitement and the view out of the window. oh and oase is 15mins train and 10mins cab also very easy to get to. my advice is to mix either Frankfurt with Berlin, or nrw with Berlin by train for your next trip, hope that helps.

Mr Ho

11-23-13, 03:04

Thank you Mr StarletVoyager. Yes, my first experience of German FKK was actually Artemis, it was few years ago, since then I was hooked to german fkk and began exploring around germany. Artemis I know quite a bit because I have been going there every year for 4 or 5 years now and I do straight 12days some year, believe me after 5 th day it begin to get tough that I feel like I am working there as sex worker who pays LOL I enjoy it very much though. Plus Berlin is very attractive city to me as it is very artistic. As for girls, some year I get lucky and some year it is not so lucky with lineup but it is just how it is and when I find the one to my taste, it is best feeling. As for facility I like Artemis with new wing and all that and also I got to know some management as well, so it is comfy feeling for me to see them back every year. And RIP to Haji the masseuce. I was shocked to find out about his demise during last visit. Got me offgurard.

As for NRW I am pretty much amateur as I just went to GT for few days once during one of my trip and I did not really research before I go there, so I took taxi from Duss or to Duss on the way back and it was quite stupid expense;. (Now thanks to many people here I got to educate myself a bit, but still many things to learn to move more conveniently in NRW and find the right club. I wonder how it is for line up compariosn to Artemis in GT, but it seems GT has alot of German girls too? When I was there there were few and I found line up similar to Artemis but less tattoo and maybe it was more natural body, younger lineup in GT than Artemis, but again I was at GT once for few days so I cannot tell for definite. If it is so, GT could be the club for me.

As for fFank, I found lineup of similar to Artemis at Palace, but more upsell. Oase I never went as I did not know it is 15minutes or so train ride to Oase, I thought it is much more far like NRW style location. I will do add one more city I think additionally to Berlin, so I will see if frank or NRW is better.

In a way, it is much easy for me to fly into Frank, so I have Palace and Oase (now that I know oase is easier to access than I thought) and also do Berlin as well since I also found out that Berlin-Frankfurt is only 3hours by train. This way I have 3 fkk- more variety of line up and easier access than NRW, but NRW sound like it is more of my type of club since it has younger line up?

It is eternal dilemma for flying in punter.

At one point in my life when I can manage more of my time off work, I will begin spending 3 months or little more in Germany by renting furnished apartment there, so I can explore fkk around Germany to more relaxed schedule, because when I go now to Germany, I do fkk everyday which is nice, but it will be nice when you live there long enough to do it more relax style of not going every day for like 5 to 7 hours every day LOL

CaptCabins

11-23-13, 03:20

She's retired, since August or so.

HBGossip around says she has got herself a new daddy.

Citizen Kane

11-28-13, 18:29

Is anyone aware of the general views of the political parties (CDU / CSU / SPD) that have recently formed the new coalition government in Germany regarding prostitution?

Any / either of them pro / anti-hooker?

I have a feeling this could be HB territory!

Cheers

StarletVoyager

11-28-13, 20:15

Always presenting themselves anti to get the conservative vote I would imagine. Talk of increased regulation to look pro active and all that. I doubt we will see any major difference on the ground. However today British prime minister wants to introduce stricter controls for incoming Rumanian and Bulgarian citizens not able to find work straight away in the uk, even though they are eu citizens like the rest of us. the argument is ongoing here.

Mr Ho

11-29-13, 12:38

Prostitution won't be banned in Germany unless some big negative event take place in fkk. They may restrict it with more stricter licensing etc. But they won't just ban prostitution. I am quite certain of that.

Talking about negative event in fkk, I think about one year ago in Artemis. I hear that there were big fight with some clients and security over payment. Apparently these clients had stun gun (you know these electric gun) in the club and they used it against the security. If things like that happen very often in many fkk, German parliament may discuss more aggressively to ban or restrict prostitution or fkk in Germany, but out of all the time I spend in German fkk, I never experience or saw any problems in the clubs or even heard of any big problem that too place in any of the fkk I went in Germany (except the incident I heard in Artemis). So since fkk system is perfect method to regulate prostitution so far, I doubt that the government will take strong measure against fkk as long as it is efficient and safe system both for working girls and punters, which fkk proved to be. Plus now fkk has elevated themselves to be German culture LOL and is definitely male tourist destination, look at me without FKK I won't go to Germany again, I went there enough times LOL.

StarletVoyager

11-30-13, 04:45

I have travelled a fair bit in my life America, middleast, east Europe etc. I keep on thinking I should be flying to a destination other than Frankfurt for my holidays. So I spend a long time trying to figure out if I can mix in some other destination with the fkk's or even go to a another country for lovely girls. But no matter how long I search I just can't beat 60 naked hunnies parading around me. Even having looked at Montreal LOL.

Mr Ho

11-30-13, 06:20

I have travelled a fair bit in my life america, middleast, east europe etc. I keep on thinking I should be flying to a destination other than frankfurt for my holidays. So I spend a long time trying to figure out if I can mix in some other destination with the fkk's or even goto a another country for lovely girls. But no matter how long I search I just can't beat 60 naked hunnies parading around me. Even having looked at montreal LOL.I have been told Brazil is the place, for me it is way too far to leach, but if you live close by or close enough, why not give it a shot?

As for now I stick to Fkk in Germany, but I do have strong interest in surrounding nation like Austria or Czech.

In the end, no matter which nation you go, line up will be compose of more or less similar nationalities.

It is good that I do not live in Germany or close by nation as if I do I will end up in fkk every single weekend almost LOL This may not be healthy for my life LOL.

I think it is only good for me as I only go to FKK few times a year and each time I do long days straight sessions, so it is intense sex days, if I goto FKK every weekend or everyday I may get real bored or get over it?

However, I will try doing that at one point in my life, rent holiday flat and live in germany for few month and try going to fkk everyday or every two days, it will be quite an experience.

I had insane sex life, but doing this few months of intense sex almost every day will be quite an ideal thing to do LOL.

Dreams

11-30-13, 19:25

I have been told Brazil is the place, for me it is way too far to leach, but if you live close by or close enough, why not give it a shot?

As for now I stick to Fkk in Germany, but I do have strong interest in surrounding nation like Austria or Czech.

In the end, no matter which nation you go, line up will be compose of more or less similar nationalities.

It is good that I do not live in Germany or close by nation as if I do I will end up in fkk every single weekend almost LOL This may not be healthy for my life LOL.

I think it is only good for me as I only go to FKK few times a year and each time I do long days straight sessions, so it is intense sex days, if I goto FKK every weekend or everyday I may get real bored or get over it?

However, I will try doing that at one point in my life, rent holiday flat and live in germany for few month and try going to fkk everyday or every two days, it will be quite an experience.

I had insane sex life, but doing this few months of intense sex almost every day will be quite an ideal thing to do LOL.I am surprsied that noone mentions the big "sauna" in Macau. That is what come as close to FKKs that I can think of.

YamaYama0519

12-01-13, 07:00

Prostitution in Germany was legalized back in 2001 to improve working conditions of prostitutes and.

Make it easier for police to control it.

Violence related to prostitution, stated by Mr Ho may become one of the reasons to ban prostitution,

Current problems, however are still existing [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), worse working and health conditions of prostitutes.

And brothels or FKK owners benefitting more than them.

Even the Green party, who led the 2001 legalization, not to mention CDU,

Is thinking of stricter control of prostitution.

What we can do to prevent the ban is to treat girls in FKK with respect?

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StarletVoyager

12-01-13, 07:48

Hessen Bub

12-01-13, 10:44

Mr Ho

12-02-13, 02:27

Macau was not mentioned as we were talking about European girls. Mr ho I was not that attracted before to oriental girls apart from only Japanese av idols. Japanese girls are not foreigner friendly so flying to Japan is not realistic now. I was curious about Macau. Do you know where I can find a good selection of 100 percent accurate photos of the top girls at Macau saunas on the internet. I cannot find. If you did live in Germany and could afford it I think it would be very healthy to go to the fkk club every weekend for 3 or 4 sessions per week. Not only physically healthy but mentally too with no disadvantage. Brazil for me is too dangerous with news of gangs and guns and frequent robberies. I want to enjoy sexy girls in peace and not running for my life like when I was young. LOL. also nothing to see in Czech compared to fkk and not every place will always have a good spread of nationalities. the best country is Switzerland but for a one off visit it is 200 euro an hour at fkk Globe, next best outside Germany Vienna fkk Goldentime. but basically you cannot beat Germany so why waste monies going anywhere else IF you are after beautiful and incredibly sexy European girls!! it is also funny to note that most addictions are damaging to the health and mind but this one makes you save money, dress nicely, travel on holiday abroad, and makes you very careful when with sexy girls. a positive vice lol. if all the united nations arguing nations went on a special mission to the fkk land all the conflict on earth would vanish!!lol most importantly however for me is knowing i can stop fkk tomorrow completely if i want and i am always in control.Yes Japanese girls are not racist or anything, but maybe or could be referred as not foreign friendly, I think mostly because of language issue. On the other hand some of them are attracted to foreigners more like I am more attracted to white girls than asians, but I try best of both world, Japanese AV idol and hybrid japanese girl (mixed with white) , also I enjoy white girls.

It is hard to find Japanese girl outside Japan working as pro girl in sex industry. I never met any japanese girl in German fkk for example, I read that someone did. It is possible but I highly doubt it. However, I do know that some of high end escort agency in Europe claims they offer Japanese girls as there are demand for it.

I agree with you on German fkk and it is cool to find some escort girls there sometimes at fkk, you get nice bargain.

Recently, I am developing some interest in high end escort that seems to be authentic agencies that are based in Prague, Budapest areas, which claims to offer you real European porn stars. The prices are reasonable too, like 350 euro per hour around and get bit cheaper per hour if you take them for longer hours. It seems authentic as they use their pictures, name, and also reviews here and there seems reliable. Hmmm I shall try at one point if I bother to go as far as prague etc during my Germany visit, but I am so hooked to fkk that I sometimes just cannot be bothered but it will be nice to have good session with european porn stars in nice 5 star hotels in prague, it will be dope moment! It make me wonder like Led zeppelin song Stairways to heaven!

Globe is definitely interest for me but it has mix reviews, I don't mind paying double as long as the girls are top of the crop creme of creme of all german fkk and the session is promised one, but some say so, some say it is over rated. Sometimes I get sick and tired of hunting for good one in German fkk so Swiss ones can be solution.

In Japan, most girls faces are covered on picture, so you don't know what you get till you open the door of the hotel. You know like some escort agency in EU, I hate these waiting moment as you are entirely relying on agencys taste and ethics. In fkk, you rely entirely on your eyes, trying to beat the darkness and lighting effect and make up LOL

Mr Ho

12-02-13, 02:34

Prostitution in Germany was legalized back in 2001 to improve working conditions of prostitutes and.

Make it easier for police to control it.

Violence related to prostitution, stated by Mr Ho may become one of the reasons to ban prostitution,

Current problems, however are still existing [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), worse working and health conditions of prostitutes.

And brothels or FKK owners benefitting more than them.

Even the Green party, who led the 2001 legalization, not to mention CDU,

Is thinking of stricter control of prostitution.

What we can do to prevent the ban is to treat girls in FKK with respect?

Thanks! [/blue]The even in Artemis was apparently quite hardcore one that made it to new papers. What I heard was that, some clients from X country (I won't name the nation due to respect for fellow punters) took VIP suits at artemis, took champaignes, few girls had long session with them and bills went up to few thousands, when it was time to pay they refuse to pay, so girls called security guys and fight broke out between clients and security. Then clients had stun gun (electric shock guns) and used it on security and they managed to get away from the club without paying.

It was last year sometimes, but it sounded quite a crazy event, but thanks god they did not do anything violent to girls. I mean why did they bring electric shock guns to fkk? Imagine if these guys use these things to girls upstair in the room. It will be real disturbing events.

They of course got arrested after as these guys are residents of Berlin.

If events like this keep on taking place, then government may move to act, but as for now fkk protect both clients and girls to quite great extent I think.

Howie

12-02-13, 10:28

FKKs in Austria and Switzerland are basically the same as in Germany. Switzerland is more expensive. Austria will have lower service levels, especially at Andiamo, too many Italians. Even girls who were working there tell me not to go there as it would be disappointing compared to World or Sharks.

HBOn that note, have any of you Italian hobbyiest been to this new club in Austria near Villach and next to the Italian border called Wellcum?

http://www.wellcum.at/index.php?id=35&L=5

Recently opened and I'll be interested for feedback on whether to try it out.

Howie

Dreams

12-02-13, 18:05

It is hard to find Japanese girl outside Japan working as pro girl in sex industry. I never met any japanese girl in German fkk for example, I read that someone did. It is possible but I highly doubt it. However, I do know that some of high end escort agency in Europe claims they offer Japanese girls as there are demand for it.I have never found a true Japanaese girl in this business outside Japan.

I have tried several agencies advertising "Japanese girls" everywhere outside Japan, mostly in Europe, US, elsewhere in Asia. 100 of them. I speak basic Japanese, so my first word are to say hello, how are you, my name is "X", what 's your name. In Japanese. I usually get at the best a relatively composed answer, in English, about a remote Japanese father who had disappeared, or, most often, some kind of panic.

If you want real Japanese girls, you have to go to Japan. And as everyone knows, for those who don't speak Japanese, it is not an easy nut to crack. But it is possible. Just RTFF, the Tokyo thread is full of good advice.

As for German FKK, I am pleased with European girls.

PussyLiccker

12-02-13, 22:51

1. Toss up between ACA and Mondial (not that it's better than GT, but I rate it high since I had good experiences there , found girls I liked)

2. GT.

3. PHG.

4. DV(don't like the attitudes of the girls and line-up wasn't as good as I've seen when I went on Saturday evening)

4. SixSens (will not attend again, food is one of the best, but girls not so much) I didn't think Nora was all that, she was too petite for my liking, and I know I can find much better girls at other clubs.

Banana Boi

12-02-13, 23:15

I didn't think Nora was all that, she was too petite for my liking, and I know I can find much better girls at other clubs.Hungarian Nora is way too small for you. LOL. She's like a little waif girl.

You should have visited PSR over Sixsens. The PSR girls are more your style. German Cora would have been perfect for you.

PussyLiccker

12-02-13, 23:17

Mr Ho

12-02-13, 23:53

What is interesting is many girls I've talked to (mostly at Mondial) do not like Magnum. Reason being is that there are different types of Turkish men at Magnum the biker gangs, they don't want to be affiliated with them.

I don't know why but Romanian girls like Mondial or ACA.You know these girls at FKK with big tattoo of mens name on their body. Famous Abdel etc.

Apparently, these biker gang make their girl tattoo their name on girls body as sign that she is their girl friend of some kind. One girl told me this.

It is quite shocking if this is true statement as some of the girls who has these tattoo are actually real sweet elegant looking girl with sweet personality who do not seem like biker gangs girl.

I often hear about biker gang this and that in fkk or on forum, but I never seen one in fkk and some statement say these biker gangs are pimps. But I think they just do not have enough money so they just rely on their girlfriends income from fkk. I met quite few girls began working in fkk as boyfriend ask them too, then they got stuck with fkk jobs as they got used to easy (?) money. Well whatta boyfriends they unfortunately met huh?

Either way lucky us that we have fkk. I only slept with maybe between 140 to 200 girls so far in my life (I am 33 years old) , let see if I can go up to over 1000 girls in my life time. For me it is hard as I am pretty choosy, so it takes time to numbers to add up. I wonder what is average number of women a man sleep with in his life time is? It will be hard but I will shoot for over 1000 women to my taste in my whole life time, I think it will take till I turn 60 years old. Well I work out and train myself for that so I can do it LOL Without fkk, these kind of numbers are not possible to leach, so thanks to fkk really.

StarletVoyager

12-03-13, 02:35

A fascinating read I think. This proves some of our romanian girls from transylvania in northern romania actually share a blood line with german tribes. This would account for the diversity of features found in the romanian girls. Very interesting what do you think?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvanian_Saxons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Forum_of_Germans_in_Romania

PussyLiccker

12-03-13, 12:01

Nille Copenhagen

12-03-13, 12:26

I know there probably isn't a miracle elixer for cumming many times, but worth a try to ask you experienced mongers. Do you guys take any supplements (something natural as I don't want to try anything that may have negative consequences) that help recover your man juice quickly or help build up an ample supply so greater number of sessions can be finished with a happy face? I'm mainly interested in the type of food or supplements like vitamins etc. I'm heard of vitamin C.

One interesting thing though, a girl told me she can taste in the cum the type of food I had before. LOL.Wank a lot that is the training, drink a lot, eat lots of eggs.

PussyLiccker

12-03-13, 14:43

I've realized why there is a good chance to find stunners at a club full of uglies. These girls with the looks given that they provide decent services could do will at clubs with uglies since competition is low, and she will make most money. Also even if they are not a 9 or 10, but a 8, they will look really good since the club is full of uglies.

If for example, working at GT full of quality girls, she may not get as much business, but at GT there are so much men it's really not an issue. Mondial for example would have 2-3 stunners there that take the room very frequently even if it's a shit-hole club with drunk Turkish men. It's the money that is good even though mentally it's fucking them up. Just my thoughts.

I'm thinking other small clubs are the same, they keep some stunners there so regulars come back and most likely these girls make boat loads of money compared to the other not so nice looking girls. Not all men seek those kinds of girls, but men like me.

Citizen Kane

12-03-13, 18:15

http://www.thelocal.de/20131203/german-prostitution-laws-to-be-reformed

I'm hoping this isn't the start of things to come.

Citizen Kane

12-03-13, 19:03

http://www.thelocal.de/20131203/german-prostitution-laws-to-be-reformed

I'm hoping this isn't the start of things to come.Whilst I don't think this is going to result in Oase or World suddenly shutting up shop, I think there could be other implications.

If you were a multi-millionaire businessman / HA gang member looking to open a new megaclub, I believe you would think twice before investing a large sum of money in the face of such political developments.

That being said I believe Oase opened in 1998, 4 years before prostitution was legalised. I wonder how Mario worked that one?

Mr Ho

12-04-13, 02:57

On that note, have any of you Italian hobbyiest been to this new club in Austria near Villach and next to the Italian border called Wellcum?

http://www.wellcum.at/index.php?id=35&L=5

Recently opened and I'll be interested for feedback on whether to try it out.

HowieThe club / hotel seems real nice even though it is too far out to leach. But I love the concept.

When I travel to Germany it is only for fkk, so it make sense for me if fkk provide hotel facility for punters also, you know 3/4 star level hotel rooms with in fkk.

This would be my ideal accomodation if such a facility open up in German FKK.

Now I wake up, I eat nice lunch somewhere, kill my time in cafe and then off to fkk, so it would be great.

Banana Boi

12-04-13, 04:53

The rooms in all the NRW FKK's are taken up by the girls who live in the clubs.

Doesn't FKK World offer rooms to sleep in?

FiddyCent

12-04-13, 06:32

I know there probably isn't a miracle elixer for cumming many times, but worth a try to ask you experienced mongers. Do you guys take any supplements (something natural as I don't want to try anything that may have negative consequences) that help recover your man juice quickly or help build up an ample supply so greater number of sessions can be finished with a happy face? I'm mainly interested in the type of food or supplements like vitamins etc. I've heard of vitamin C.

One interesting thing though, a girl told me she can taste in the cum the type of food I had before. LOL.Hello PussyLiccker.

They say oysters are a natural aphrodesiac. I think it has to do with the zinc. Drink lots of water and eat figs. So, if you can introduce me to the girl that claims she can tell what I had for dinner, perhaps she will one day discover that my cum tastes like pussy. .

FiddyCent

PussyLiccker

12-04-13, 14:07

Jblack

12-05-13, 00:06

I used to be addicted to Asian girls until 2009 that is when I discovered FKK clubs in germany. I must admit it is totally different world. In my home country I can only last 5 minutes of foreplay and 20 seconds of intercourse! But at FKK clubs I can last 30 minutes of foreplay and intercourse! I feel more relaxed at FKK clubs and just Love the girls there 99% of the time! That is very high percentage for mongering.

Any one had similar experience to mine? I mean lasting longer at FKK clubs without any use of tablets.

Mr Ho

12-05-13, 02:13

What's up with some of the girls wanting to get silly cones? I know a young girl at Mondial that I like that has good set of tittens, and told her not to get sillies, but she still wants to get them. Given I've been with girls in their mid 20s this trip, I've noticed tits starts to sag around that age, and some of them wants to fix that. I really don't mind saggy tits as it feels good, but I guess looks wise it's not that great if the top is off. I just don't like the feel of hard sillies. I think I felt the soft sillies and they are better. I don't get why girls get hard sillies.

One thing I can say is that Romanians has a lot of countries beat when it comes to big natural tittens. (that could be cause they filter the so many girls that wants to work at the clubs) I much prefer natural girls as well even tits are smaller. Once one of my regular girls got sillicon job done, I pointed out that I prefered natural, then she said that " with small tits she does not feel woman" that kind of answered the question for me. Also a lot of clients like bigger tits whether it is natural or fake, so it make sense for girls to get sillicon I guess.

I like big natural boobs, but if it is sillicon, I much prefer small natural ones more. It is especially turn off when sillicon tits get expired and you can see some wrinkle on the side of the tits and you can kind of visualize the sillicon bags. It is turn off.

As for more natural girls members recommended me NRW region more so I will begin to go to NRW once my 12 times karten runs out at artemis, meanwhile I am stuck with sillicon play till next year. More sillicons than natural in Artemis, Palace. NRW yet to find out.

Nille Copenhagen

12-05-13, 10:06

Any one had similar experience to mine? I mean lasting longer at FKK clubs without any use of tablets.Well 30min of sex is too rushy for me, I prefer min 1+ hour. I tell the girls in advanced I need 1 hour to come, if she can make me come before she is good.

YamaYama0519

12-06-13, 17:35

I don't come in 30 min in the Zimmer of FKK either, but at a certain circumstance I can cum in a second. LOL. I would like to enjoy as many girls as possible in FKK, so I would't like to come. One girl for flight from Japan or eight girls for one flight from Japan, that is the point to me. Anyway FKK is paradise to me too!

PussyLiccker

12-07-13, 03:03

Voyajer1

12-07-13, 05:43

Many people will tell you to do one thing or the other. In my opinion, the best thing is of course a balanced meal in moderation. Do not overeat! However, if you are looking for a shortcut, here is what I'd recommend: Exercize, seafood, lots of fruits, nuts (Peanuts and almonds) , veggies, and lots of fluids. Add zinc tablets, vitamins A and D and it will hasten a fast recovery for the hobby. To keep things short, first you need to have good health, blood needs to flow to all the right places, otherwise, its going to be hard to keep that happy face going during a visit. The rest is self explanatory. You put good things in your body and the results are going to be very pleasant. Happy hunting.

I know there probably isn't a miracle elixer for cumming many times, but worth a try to ask you experienced mongers. Do you guys take any supplements (something natural as I don't want to try anything that may have negative consequences) that help recover your man juice quickly or help build up an ample supply so greater number of sessions can be finished with a happy face? I'm mainly interested in the type of food or supplements like vitamins etc. I've heard of vitamin C.

One interesting thing though, a girl told me she can taste in the cum the type of food I had before. LOL.

Mr Ho

12-07-13, 07:11

Mr Ho

12-07-13, 07:18

I think it depends on the girl. If you have sessioned with her a few times, and it's really good, then you can promise her an hour. I never tell girls hour because if she give bad service the first half, I don't have to continue on. I've had a girl that was a good session first visit, and then wasn't as good the second time, that usually happens with PSE girls as one mind-blowing PSE is enough, and it gets dull the next time.

If you promise a girl an hour, they would tend to give you good service though. I think you both can get some good service at the Palace.

I use a trick if they ask for 1 hour, I say I'll see how it goes in the first half, in which they would put in a bit of effort to get me to stay second half. I only stay an hour for GFE girls, or girls I feel really relaxed with. If I don't finish in 30min, I don't think I'd ever finish, I don't know how you guys need that much time. For GFE I take my time since I would DFK her for like 30min, rub her body, lick puss, and etc. I usually stroke it off while she licks it if it's almost half hour mark (I could finish like that even after 3 sessions completed prior, then next day would be hell to pay. LOL.).I also only take girl for 30minutes at first to see how she can perform and I always negotiate what she will do for longer session. Especially when you are flying in customer like me, girls could take advantage of you as they know you are there for only little while and they have their regular clients they have to please to keep the business going, so sometimes charm works, other times longer session or the money I suppose. But going with them long hours is not necessary good.

I say this because one time, I took this girl for 4 hours every day for 5 days straight. She was fantastic first two or three days but when you spend too much time with her everyday just fucking fucking (I don't really talk with girl just intense sex) in every way you can think of for 4straight hours everyday. She begin to get tired of same routine and you LOL At first she liked me but as intense sex session everyday get more and more of Woodman style. I could feel that she begin to dislike me LOL It only happen to be like this once, but sometimes taking same girl everyday for very long hours and fucking the hell out of her is not good LOL It is a good memory now.

Mr Ho

12-07-13, 07:27

Many people will tell you to do one thing or the other. In my opinion, the best thing is of course a balanced meal in moderation. Do not overeat! However, if you are looking for a shortcut, here is what I'd recommend: Exercize, seafood, lots of fruits, nuts (Peanuts and almonds) , veggies, and lots of fluids. Add zinc tablets, vitamins A and D and it will hasten a fast recovery for the hobby. To keep things short, first you need to have good health, blood needs to flow to all the right places, otherwise, its going to be hard to keep that happy face going during a visit. The rest is self explanatory. You put good things in your body and the results are going to be very pleasant. Happy hunting.I agree, but also, since I am in Germany, I be sure to eat good German food during my fkk stay because German food is filled with protein and zinc. I stay in good hotel and eat insane amount of breakfast buffet to prepare my self for new day of fkk.

I eat solid food for breakfast and lunch outside fkk in good restaurant. For dinner I am at fkk so. Food is ok. However, after fkk at late late at night, I always tell taxi to goto kebab stand for late evening snack to load up more protein before sleep to prepare for tomorrows fkk. !

I usually live very fit life, but when I am in fkk trip in Germany, I eat a lot, for me it works, but I do not eat a lot of dinner at fkk, so I am not full to fuck, I eat mainly outside fkk so I eat good food and I am not disturbed by food in my stomach during my session. As for tablets. I thought about it at one point, but I do not need it at this moment of my life, when I am older sure, but as for now good food do me the job.

PussyLiccker

12-07-13, 17:19

I also only take girl for 30minutes at first to see how she can perform and I always negotiate what she will do for longer session. Especially when you are flying in customer like me, girls could take advantage of you as they know you are there for only little while and they have their regular clients they have to please to keep the business going, so sometimes charm works, other times longer session or the money I suppose. But going with them long hours is not necessary good.

I say this because one time, I took this girl for 4 hours every day for 5 days straight. She was fantastic first two or three days but when you spend too much time with her everyday just fucking fucking (I don't really talk with girl just intense sex) in every way you can think of for 4straight hours everyday. She begin to get tired of same routine and you LOL At first she liked me but as intense sex session everyday get more and more of Woodman style. I could feel that she begin to dislike me LOL It only happen to be like this once, but sometimes taking same girl everyday for very long hours and fucking the hell out of her is not good LOL It is a good memory now.Man, I didn't think girls would get tired of men throwing Euros at them. It's kinda laughable though. 4 hours is 480e and who know what other services you ordered on the menu. It could be that she thought she struck gold in the beginning, but the type of sex she probably did not like, and she couldn't take it any more. LOL. I guess for some girls it's not all about the money, sex has to be in a fashion they like.

Expand on getting more and more woodman style (I'm guessing she doesn't like this style. LOL.). I would think it involves anal. Woodman is a disgusting hairy bastard with tiny penis, and his castings series I liked, but his sex is a bit crude compared to his movies.

I guess you would demand more from her as time went on. Anyway, that's the point of visiting FKK, you live your fetishes and etc. If a girl seems willing to do more, it makes it that much better IMO. I don't force it on them though, I see how they react first.

Hessen Bub

12-07-13, 17:32

Apparently the construction already began. So if we are lucky it will be open in late 2014, but again. It is far from big cities. Closest city is frankfurt?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519447/Europes-biggest-brothel-costing-3-8m-poised-open-Saarbruecken-Germany.htmlIt's about 200km from Frankfurt, in Saarbrücken, close to Luxemburg and France. Good choice with the new laws around prostitution in France. Same owners as Palace (Frankfurt), Mystic (Salzburg) and Paradise (Stuttgart). I doubt it will be worth a long trip. If you are in the area. Try it out. If you are in Hessen or NRW. No need to drive down there. Just my opinion.

HB

Banana Boi

12-07-13, 17:55

Thanks for the article, HB.

The article says Paradise Island is scheduled to open Jan. 2014 (not late 2014 as Mr. Ho anticipated). It will take any club some time to build momentum slowly gaining more girls and customers. Take Sharks for example. I believe Sharks opened in Summer. 2011 and it was inconsistent at first and it's taken 2 years to build a reputation as a consistently solid club.

PussyLiccker

12-07-13, 19:51

It's about 200km from Frankfurt, in Saarbrücken, close to Luxemburg and France. Good choice with the new laws around prostitution in France. Same owners as Palace (Frankfurt) , Mystic (Salzburg) and Paradise (Stuttgart). I doubt it will be worth a long trip. If you are in the area. Try it out. If you are in Hessen or NRW. No need to drive down there. Just my opinion.

HBMaybe also of Paradise of Austria. They have similar renovations as Paradise of Stuttgart and Palace. http://www.the-paradise.at/

CaptCabins

12-07-13, 21:22

It's about 200km from Frankfurt, in Saarbrücken, close to Luxemburg and France. Good choice with the new laws around prostitution in France. Same owners as Palace (Frankfurt) , Mystic (Salzburg) and Paradise (Stuttgart). I doubt it will be worth a long trip. If you are in the area. Try it out. If you are in Hessen or NRW. No need to drive down there. Just my opinion.

HBHessen how is the pricing there hessen prices or nrw prives or different prices?

How are the girls in terms of line up and service?

Mr Ho

12-07-13, 22:00

Man, I didn't think girls would get tired of men throwing Euros at them. It's kinda laughable though. 4 hours is 480e and who know what other services you ordered on the menu. It could be that she thought she struck gold in the beginning, but the type of sex she probably did not like, and she couldn't take it any more. LOL. I guess for some girls it's not all about the money, sex has to be in a fashion they like.

Expand on getting more and more Woodman style (I'm guessing she doesn't like this style. LOL.). I would think it involves anal. Woodman is a disgusting hairy bastard with tiny penis, and his castings series I liked, but his sex is a bit crude compared to his movies.

I guess you would demand more from her as time went on. Anyway, that's the point of visiting FKK, you live your fetishes and etc. If a girl seems willing to do more, it makes it that much better IMO. I don't force it on them though, I see how they react first.Yeah, I mean obviously, when I take girl for more hours like that, my demand get escalated as days go by, so I think when it became like routine of Woodman style casting. After few days she begin to get tired of the session LOL Me too LOL I remember waking up in my hotel room each morning during that period feeling like it is a job to go and do her for 4hours again today, it is just that it is job that I pay money to do LOL

Me too, I ask girls first and if she does not want to do it I don't force on girl, but sometimes in fkk with some girls, you have to be pushy to get things done as they do have their way. Most girls even at the beginning they say no to do certain fetish, she begins to open up as you go with her several time or you begin to get to know her. I agree with you that fkk is not just money as I did have few occasions where I met girls outside fkk and also I got more than I paid for. Some fkk girls are real good hearted even after many hard years of work in fkk, I respect their strength for that as it is not easy job.

When I go to fkk I go with spirit of woodman style but I do not say shit that Woodman say to the girls LOL I do not have that kind of fetish and if I say some of things he say to girls in FKK, there maybe time girls will get angry LOL but I do go similar style after I get to know girls and I ask her. I mean Woodman's style is exactly the sex girls in FKK do not want as their pussy is their money machine and they do not want any client to destroy that because they cannot work after if pussy is damaged. So I always ask, I mean I am there for sex but it is better we (girls and clients) both enjoy the time then session could get better and better.

About new FKK, I think the owners of this new club is Ralph something no? How did he manage to open so many FKKs in 2 countries (Austria and Germany) I mean it must be hard to get it licensed with political / police contacts and all that? Also investment is not as big as I thought, but I presume it must be hard to make profitable FKK busines than it looks. As far as I see the business model it is like spa style hotel business right? But instead of spa service, they offer sex and girls actually sleep there, guys just stay there. Also I found that fkk is sometimes owned in germany with foreign national (with German passport?) why is that? Why would German government license FKK to foreign investor or owner?

Mr Ho

12-08-13, 01:56

What is this article on abolishing flat rate in German brothel?

Flat rate meaning set rate like 60euro for 30min 100 for anal etc way of flat rate.

Or

Flat rate meaning entry fee and have sex as much as client want in brothel flat rate?

http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=AP&date=20131202&id=17155777

Breadman

12-08-13, 04:24

This is for the guys who fly from Germany to Bangkok. I'm curious what the best rates and times of year had the best airfare?

PussyLiccker

12-08-13, 05:12

I agree with you that fkk is not just money as I did have few occasions where I met girls outside fkk and also I got more than I paid for.Please tell me more about this. I met a girl in a club and next time I got back I think I will meet with her outside the club to just to hangout and possible free sex. I've been offered to hangout outside the club with another girl, but declined as I'm not really into working girls to hang out, but for free sex I don't mind. LOL.

About new fkk, I think the owners of this new club is Ralph something no? How did he manage to open so many fkk in 2 countries (Austria and Germany) I mean it must be hard to get it licensed with political / police contacts and all that? Also investment is not as big as I thought, but I presume it must be hard to make profitable fkk busines than it looks. As far as I see the business model it is like spa style hotel business right? But instead of spa service, they offer sex and girls actually sleep there, guys just stay there. Also I found that fkk is sometimes owned in germany with foreign national (with German passport?) why is that? Why would German government license fkk to foreign investor or owner?There are some videos of this dude when he first opened up Paradise in Stuttgart, I think it's on youtube. He may have some investors backing him up. I don't know how much money would flow if the business is GT level. 200 entries a day? That's 12,000 a day. 4.38 million a year. I wonder how much the the staff costs? Lets say there are 10 staff at 30k a year. that's .3 mil. Still 4.08 left over, although small amount would be taken out for food, beer and supplies. It's not bad if a new club would cost close to 4mil to start up. You can pay it off quickly given the business is good.

Mr Ho

12-08-13, 05:43

This is for the guys who fly from Germany to Bangkok. I'm curious what the best rates and times of year had the best airfare?Man, if you live in Germany, why do you fly to Bangkok for sex LOL aint FKK enough for you? LOL

Well I understand if you like Asian girls more then Bangkok or Manila is place to be in Asia and arguably Macau if you like some quality. But I would say for Asian girls lover I recommend Bangkok it is crazy for that, but please do not do bareback as it is dangerous in aspect of std in Thailand. I am more into white girl looking asian so I like manila more for that in asia, but man central europe is sexual paradise for white girl hunter like me LOL.

YamaYama0519

12-08-13, 05:50

Since a prostitute is an independent contractor, they have the right to decide their own 'price' by themselves. The flat rate policy in FKK is therefore against this thought.

Mr Ho

12-08-13, 06:10

Please tell me more about this. I met a girl in a club and next time I got back I think I will meet with her outside the club to just to hangout and possible free sex. I've been offered to hangout outside the club with another girl, but declined as I'm not really into working girls to hang out, but for free sex I don't mind. LOL.

There are some videos of this dude when he first opened up Paradise in Stuttgart, I think it's on youtube. He may have some investors backing him up. I don't know how much money would flow if the business is GT level. 200 entries a day? That's 12, 000 a day. 4.38 million a year. I wonder how much the the staff costs? Lets say there are 10 staff at 30k a year. That's. 3 mil. Still 4. 08 left over, although small amount would be taken out for food, beer and supplies. It's not bad if a new club would cost close to 4mil to start up. You can pay it off quickly given the business is good.Well I have two occasions when I was offered to meet outside and one of which I was invited to her nation. I cannot go all open (name, her origin etc) on this one as I care for girls privacy, but one of them was eGrman girl who also worked as escort agency. I did my usual long hours with her like I do when I find the one in FKK (I find the one then I go for long hours session with her everyday for few days) , she liked me and a day before I leave she gave me her e-mail adress (not mobile number though) , so when I got back to Japan, I wrote to her and for next visit I got fixed price date with her for one week. I paid 3000euro for whole one week in Berlin and she stayed with me for whole one week in my hotel room and she showed me around berlin area, ate together and sex anytime I wanted was included in the price. I did not do bareback as I was afraid of std. She was german from cologne but lived in berlin. This was two years ago. I guess it is private escort service. 3000euro I paid was worth it for me as I had morning sex you know wake up N fuck style and it was real GFE. I also gave her 400euro in the airport when I flew back so it was actually 3400euro. Yes I know I can fuck like 5o something time in fkk for this price, but sometimes I want intense session and outside sex in public places, well hidden public places.

Another one was I was invited to her nation, and she seemed serious about it then toward the end of my trip she began to dislike me (I think) due to my long hours woodman style escalation. I mean whatta heck. 5days everyday 4hours man, I felt like it is a job to fuck her too and I had to escalate the session to make it interesting for me as a client. Then I contacted her to e-mail she gave me but she did not write me back so far. This one was this year, I will see if she write me back but I wrote her two months ago then no reply so far so I am hopeless on this one. Yes this one was the one I was writing about last night on this forum LOL I was hoping to go to her country and I would go even thinking of the risk, but no reply so what I can do? Well in the end I did her good during my 5days of woodman style so either way we both win LOL But I think I stop doing too much of long session with girls as it get too intense on both end in most dirty but beautiful way LOL Please note that beside my escalation I am nice to girls to try to make her comfortable as I can, so that is a plus. My escalation is definitely minus LOL First German girl was sweet but more of sponge for my escalation she could take it and as she said "she loves it" LOL so it was all good, I mean we discuss and agree that German girls are most kinky dirty girls in fkk, we chat this one with you I think and we both feel the same. I mean most dirtiest session and hardcore session I had in fkk was with German girls and oddly enough Romanians, as many as there are in fkk, I do not remember having intense crazy session with Romanian girls. Is it just me or? I always have the feeling that Romanians like more normal sex, Germans love the dirty hard ones. I mean even with anal, only German girls that tells me do it harder and harder I sometimes get scared that I will rip her asshole LOL.

Well back to seeing fkk girls outside. I went to FKK in Germany now for I think 4 th year now and this meeting outside offer happened to me on second visit and on this visit (4th) visit, so on ratio it happen to me every two years, so next one will be in year 2015? Also it is like that with line up, if one year was good next one is not good then it is good year next. Is it coincidence? I always wonder what is best time to go and there is none, because I went once in July which is known to be bad time for line up, for me it was not at all, it was fantastic line up. BUT when I went in may which is consider to be good time to go for line up as girls want to begin to make last money before she go home for summer holiday, but that May I went was so bad was line up. So I think there is no set time to go for line up and purely a luck I think. Am I right on this one?

As for fkk business, I think it is hard business to get it licensed as I guess you need strong contact in police and also in government. Also profit wise I think it is hard to break even, I say this because the investment for big venue like artemis was like 4. 8million euro and considering the size of the venue and possible profitability it is good investment and not that much of money for what it is, but no big hedgefund or porn companies or related do not invest in fkk business, there must be a reason for this beside social concern, I think it is BEP being too hard to leach and fkk is not that lucrative business as it may seems so hard to make good stable profit. Am I right on this one? I mean 4. 8million euro is not big investment for venue like artemis and as for golden time fkk it must be cheaper like 2million investment. What do you think about fkk business in Germany? No corporation do it as it is hard to make profit. But it is best business model there are for mongering as before I discover German fkk, I have experience in many different areas of world for paying for sex, but german fkk is most prompt and structured one I have ever come across, also protected by government, so there must be reason why there are still only limited numbers of fkks in Germnay I mean it is possible to count all of them and it is not that big of investment for what it is. So I think it is hard to license (even you have money and clean criminal record they just won't let you without prompt connection etc?) and also hard to get the profit. Am I right on this one?

Pentire

12-08-13, 07:48

Hessen Bub

12-08-13, 10:19

Hessen how is the pricing there hessen prices or nrw prives or different prices?

How are the girls in terms of line up and service?The club's not open yet. I'd guess pricing structure will be the same as in Hessen, see other FKK in Saarland.

HB

Hessen Bub

12-08-13, 10:21

What is this article on abolishing flat rate in German brothel?

Flat rate meaning entry fee and have sex as much as client want in brothel flat rate?

http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=AP&date=20131202&id=17155777That's what it means. There's still flat rate (Pauschal) clubs in Germany. Pussy Club in Fellbach was closed a few years ago, manager (female) went to prison.

HB

Hessen Bub

12-08-13, 10:26

The owner / managing director of Palace, Paradise etc. Is Jürgen Rudloff. Info from the website:

P & I Paradise Island Entertainment Betriebsgesellschaft mbH

Amtsgericht Stuttgart HRB 72572.

Vertretungsberechtigter Geschäftsführer: Rainer MühlbauerThere's a group of investors behind them.

http://www.the-paradise.de/images/upload/press/92e1094848/normal/Paradise_Praesentation.pdf

HB

Mr Ho

12-08-13, 11:17

That's what it means. There's still flat rate (Pauschal) clubs in Germany. Pussy Club in Fellbach was closed a few years ago, manager (female) went to prison.

HBAh ok, thanks HB. I never been to that kinda club, but I think it is not my type of club. As long as girls looks good, I am willing to pay, I go for quality and not quantity, even though you have to dig alot, but in fkk, sometimes you find real beauty. The best thing is you can see her before you make your investment decision, I like this about fkk than escort service. With escort you are entirely depending on taste and reliability of escort agency owner. Fkk it is all up to us.

Mr Ho

12-08-13, 11:23

The owner / managing director of Palace, Paradise etc. Is Jürgen Rudloff. Info from the website:

There's a group of investors behind them.

http://www.the-paradise.de/images/upload/press/92e1094848/normal/Paradise_Praesentation.pdf

HBThere must be some fkk hedge fund or something? After 50, I would love to invest in fkk and try to build myself a room within fkk LOL

Well I know I know if you own or run this kind of place, it is not wise to have session in your own club, like they say do not touch your merchandise.

Out of all fkk I went to, I do not know any fkk that owner or manager having session with the girls, I do see some managers taking some massage (normal one by masseuce) and also taking sauna with us, but never these owner or manager buying girl for sex. I guess professionalism I guess. But it must be hard temptation just being there and not touching some of these girls even though some of them must be their type of girls.

I wonder why there are only limited fkks, there must be some restriction of some kind to stop new invester building new fkk. I mean for instance, Artemis was 3. 8million euro I read to build, it is not that large amount of investment for such a grand business and only big iconic brothel in the area. There must be a reason to holding somepeople back.

The Cane

12-08-13, 16:03

Do any of the top clubs have alcohol or at the very least draught beer included as part of the entry fee. If so please name them as I do enjoy a couple of beers before and after bedroom cardio combat with these fit girlies.Mainhattan and Golden Time are good in this regard.

Voyajer1

12-08-13, 16:07

I think it is really easy for these folk to make a great return on investment. Let's take the club I frequent the most: Mainhattan. The girls each pay 85 Euro for working each day there. They also can stay in the premises for 20 Euro per night, a real bargain. So each girl pays the house 105 Euro per day assuming they stay in the confines of the establishment. So, let's assume for the bigger clubs, that they have a cool 100 girls a day looking for business. That is at least 10, 500 Euro per day, just from the girls. The entry fee is 60 Euro per day. Once again, let's say they average 100 punters per day. That's another 6, 000 Euro per day. So, that means they make (Estimate only guys, this is a total guess) , if the club is as big as the one in Saauerbruken. 16, 500 Euros per day. For the year, that will add up to 6, 022, 500 Euros. Take about 1, 200, 000 Euros for operations (Food, drinks, support staff salaries, insurance, etc) , and you still have quite a hefty profit even if they pay 50% or 60% in taxes, and that's each year. They are not hurting for cash, that's for sure.

As for fkk business, I think it is hard business to get it licensed as I guess you need strong contact in police and also in government. Also profit wise I think it is hard to break even, I say this because the investment for big venue like artemis was like 4. 8million euro and considering the size of the venue and possible profitability it is good investment and not that much of money for what it is, but no big hedgefund or porn companies or related do not invest in fkk business, there must be a reason for this beside social concern, I think it is BEP being too hard to leach and fkk is not that lucrative business as it may seems so hard to make good stable profit. Am I right on this one? I mean 4. 8million euro is not big investment for venue like artemis and as for golden time fkk it must be cheaper like 2million investment. What do you think about fkk business in Germany? No corporation do it as it is hard to make profit. But it is best business model there are for mongering as before I discover German fkk, I have experience in many different areas of world for paying for sex, but german fkk is most prompt and structured one I have ever come across, also protected by government, so there must be reason why there are still only limited numbers of fkks in Germnay I mean it is possible to count all of them and it is not that big of investment for what it is. So I think it is hard to license (even you have money and clean criminal record they just won't let you without prompt connection etc?) and also hard to get the profit. Am I right on this one?

PussyLiccker

12-08-13, 16:30

Guy's I've only ever been to two FKK's & in both alcohol was so damn expensive. Do any of the top clubs have alcohol or at the very least draught beer included as part of the entry fee.

If so please name them as I do enjoy a couple of beers before and after bedroom cardio combat with these fit girlies.I don't recommend too much alcohol in the clubs as it reduces your likelyhood of finishing a session with a happy face. Or some girls say makes it difficult to get a drunk man hard. Alcohol does bring the mood up in the club though.

Here are a list of clubs that serves free beer.

GT and Living Room-free and many varieties in the fridge for taking in addition to wheat beer. I've seen wine and mixed drink served later at night.

PHG-Just like GT beer is free including wheat beer, and many varieties for the taking in the fridge. Never tried spirits there, and not sure if its free or cheap. Lots of alcohol drinkers here at this club. I believe girls are freely allowed to drink here. Many girls drink mixed drinks and dances, it's a party atmosphere at night.

Dolce Vita (Dusseldorf)-free also, but only tap beer no varieties to choose from.

Maintattan-free, but same as Dolce Vita.

World-Same as both

The Cane

12-08-13, 16:32

They also can stay in the premises for 20 Euro per night, a real bargain. So each girl pays the house 105 Euro per day assuming they stay in the confines of the establishment. So, let's assume for the bigger clubs, that they have a cool 100 girls a day looking for business. That is at least 10, 500 Euro per day, just from the girls.I think you may be overestimating the number of girls who stay on premises. Sure, plenty of girls stay on premises, but also plenty don't. So, in order to better estimate revenues, it's unreasonable to assume that every single girl in the club will stay on premises. Your figure from that income stream is too high. That said, any way you cut it, a successful club is going to be a cash cow. The only thing that will really cut into profits will be insanely high taxes. And also probably utilities just from running the place. People often underestimate the cost / impact of utilities. This can be quite substantial for any business.

PussyLiccker

12-08-13, 16:47

I wonder why there are only limited fkks, there must be some restriction of some kind to stop new invester building new fkk. I mean for instance, Artemis was 3. 8million euro I read to build, it is not that large amount of investment for such a grand business and only big iconic brothel in the area. There must be a reason to holding somepeople back.I agree. I don't see why Berlin doesn't have other clubs. A German fellow told me there are many clubs in Dusseldorf because there are more wealthier people there so there would be more disposable income there (although paid sex in Germany in general is not all that expensive). I would like to see more cheaper options open up in Berlin to compete with Artemis. What puts me off from going to Berlin is that Artemis is the only club and the price of the club which is 80 entry and 60 per session. In NRW, it's much more reasonable with 50 first half and 25 after and much lower extras with 25 CIM and 50 Anal. So pricing and lack of other options for clubs puts me off from visiting Artemis. Going there and back to NRW is waste of time and money(fares) for me. I like that Hessen and NRW are not that far apart and have girls that offer good services.

Also, I've noticed that clubs are usually in industrial areas away from neighborhoods. Not sure if there are plenty of open areas like that to build a new FKK in Berlin.

Possibly there is some licensing issues for someone to open one up there. Possibly many feel that there wouldn't be enough clientel in Berlin. I've heard that Berlin has mostly younger demographics, and in Germany older men have disposable income. Frankfurt is a financial district so there would be wealthy people there. Also Stuttgart since the big car companies are there. Munich I would think also since the prices seems to be higher there which makes me think people with high income lives there also. There are several clubs there, but not anything interesting worthy of visiting.

PussyLiccker

12-08-13, 18:59

The girls each pay 85 Euro for working each day there. They also can stay in the premises for 20 Euro per night, a real bargain.I didn't know this. I wonder what the average take home amount for a girl for a day is. 85e seams pretty significant for club entry. It's interesting how there are plenty of nice looking girls willing to come into this small club with such high entrance. Small clubs could be interest to some girls since there are no room wait times, and probably less stressful than big clubs. Clubs like PHG I believe has a fixed entrance much lower for the week and they could stay in the house. That probably brings girls into that club. I could see the low entrance and lodging in house at the NRW since most of the girls are new there.

It's interesting how they pay more than us so that they can make their net positives. I wonder how the girls pay off the entrance fee to make a profit. 20e a night could be helpful to them as the hotel average seems to be around 40-50e and would save them cab fares. Girls like German Charlene was making good money I'm sure as I dropped 200e on her one time after normal 50e session.

Also, I wonder how a new club find enough girls to work for a club. Do they offer free or low entry in the beginning? Do the managers have ties to the bikers gangs? Well, there is plenty of Romanian girls wanting to work in clubs so you can always count on them I guess. The club owner of Sakura told me on opening day the clubs had a long line and many girls came to work there and than the business went down and the line-up is quite thin now.

Mr Ho

12-08-13, 22:15

I didn't know this. I wonder what the average take home amount for a girl for a day is. 85e seams pretty significant for club entry. It's interesting how there are plenty of nice looking girls willing to come into this small club with such high entrance. Small clubs could be interest to some girls since there are no room wait times, and probably less stressful than big clubs. Clubs like PHG I believe has a fixed entrance much lower for the week and they could stay in the house. That probably brings girls into that club. I could see the low entrance and lodging in house at the NRW since most of the girls are new there.

It's interesting how they pay more than us so that they can make their net positives. I wonder how the girls pay off the entrance fee to make a profit. 20e a night could be helpful to them as the hotel average seems to be around 40-50e and would save them cab fares. Girls like German Charlene was making good money I'm sure as I dropped 200e on her one time after normal 50e session.

Also, I wonder how a new club find enough girls to work for a club. Do they offer free or low entry in the beginning? Do the managers have ties to the bikers gangs? Well, there is plenty of Romanian girls wanting to work in clubs so you can always count on them I guess. The club owner of Sakura told me on opening day the clubs had a long line and many girls came to work there and than the business went down and the line-up is quite thin now.Also on the day off it is bit cheaper for girls to stay there, but girls told me they have to work minimum 3 days or I think it was 4 days, then she can take day off. This apply to avoid girls not to just sleep there as rooms for girls are limited and always fully occupied. So unless they get some emergency situation like really sick or hurt, girls apparently have to work 3 or 4 days in the row. Also when they get sick, they are allowed to be sick for two days and sleep upstairs in the room to rest, but when third day she is still suck, she has to go home. Apparently this is the rule of Artemis, I do not know about other clubs. I am not sure if girls told me the truth, but few girls tell me similar things and as system of the club, it make sense as they cannot be hostel or host family for all working girls. In the end it is like hotel facility that uses girls (one side of guest) to attract other side of guests by making girls work, so if they do not work, men do not come, so it makes sense.

Man how did you drop 50 euro on her with normal 30min session LOL Ah with anal and cim or anal and little tip? Sometimes I tip too but I begin to think it is stupid as some guys get the same level service for much cheaper price LOL Well if there are something extras then I do not mind, but you pay more because you think you get more intense session but that what she does to everybody for cheaper price LOL it is hardknock life for clients in fkk too sometimes LOL.

Ok ok, let be fair, in GT Fiorentina in 2011 had notorious reputation for servie, but to me at the beginning she was terrible service provider, good BJ but you know no woodman style things, but after I begin to go with her few times and she begins to feel relaxed with me, then her service got really improved, with some girls it is nice from the beginning, some like you later and session get better, some just always give bad service, so in the end, it is money yes, but also it has got to do alot with their feelings, mood, timing etc. In the end girls are human and not products, I always tell myself this and try to be nice as I can, but not too nice then girls definitely take advantage of you, I think most important thing is to use charm and also money to discuss with girls what you want, what you get for how much prior to session, you don't always get exactly that, but girls often try her best and you cannot expect to enslave the girls to exactly how you want her, so in the end for me it is all cool.

Mr Ho

12-08-13, 22:26

I agree. I don't see why Berlin doesn't have other clubs. A German fellow told me there are many clubs in Dusseldorf because there are more wealthier people there so there would be more disposable income there (although paid sex in Germany in general is not all that expensive). I would like to see more cheaper options open up in Berlin to compete with Artemis. What puts me off from going to Berlin is that Artemis is the only club and the price of the club which is 80 entry and 60 per session. In NRW, it's much more reasonable with 50 first half and 25 after and much lower extras with 25 CIM and 50 Anal. So pricing and lack of other options for clubs puts me off from visiting Artemis. Going there and back to NRW is waste of time and money (fares) for me. I like that Hessen and NRW are not that far apart and have girls that offer good services.

Also, I've noticed that clubs are usually in industrial areas away from neighborhoods. Not sure if there are plenty of open areas like that to build a new FKK in Berlin...Ok, I do not like going to Berlin simply there is only Artemis and if girls are bad at Artemis, you are finished. I mean there are no other option, so for me going to berlin is too much risk where as Frankfurt has Oase and palace and few more options, so it is better. I never been to oase though, for me palace was jackpot when I went, but alot of upsale in palace. But when you pay you get what you want woodman style thing, only one I could not break completely was July (blonde girl from Germany, hot hot girl) , she was hard horse to break, but she did anal so I did her hardcore woodman style instead and with anal she could take alot and she was willing too, but I could not get her to do DFK, only little bit, she see too much of that movie Pretty woman. Well other than that she was good anal session.

Back to topic, even though berlin is not the place for fkk and if Artemis line up is not good then you are pretty finished, I like the Berlin as a city, I mean it is cultural, people in the city are nice and friendly, speak English, historical background of the city etc. But if Artemis is bad. Then I am fucked! There are time Artemis line up is so bad that I only go with one or two girl everyday same girl for 12 straight days. I mean all the way to germany and two girls only. I do fuck the hell out of her but I prefer variety of beauties, even then I only go with only with my type and keep my hardle up high. You always find someone along the way, but sometimes you meet her toward the end of the trip then it is fucked up. Fkk is like Lotto, you got to be lucky with line up so it is best for flying in punter like me to goto more fkk concentrated area and it sound like NRW mainly decceldorf regions are the best place for people like me to base myself for my fkk trips as there are so many options, it is a shame I only went to Goldentime once, I do not remember line up there too much because I was always with Fiorentina once I broke her in to my way, but I will be there as it sound like the place for my taste. Only thing it bother me via forum is that there are alot of romanians and I do not have high hope for Romanian girls service inn general, hard to break in, but German girls I prefer and sound like there are less but considerable amount of German girls or german raised girls in goldentime so that sound like a deals to me.

Mr Ho

12-08-13, 22:32

I think it is really easy for these folk to make a great return on investment. Let's take the club I frequent the most: Mainhattan. The girls each pay 85 Euro for working each day there. They also can stay in the premises for 20 Euro per night, a real bargain. So each girl pays the house 105 Euro per day assuming they stay in the confines of the establishment. So, let's assume for the bigger clubs, that they have a cool 100 girls a day looking for business. That is at least 10, 500 Euro per day, just from the girls. The entry fee is 60 Euro per day. Once again, let's say they average 100 punters per day. That's another 6, 000 Euro per day. So, that means they make (Estimate only guys, this is a total guess) , if the club is as big as the one in Saauerbruken. 16, 500 Euros per day. For the year, that will add up to 6, 022, 500 Euros. Take about 1, 200, 000 Euros for operations (Food, drinks, support staff salaries, insurance, etc) , and you still have quite a hefty profit even if they pay 50% or 60% in taxes, and that's each year. They are not hurting for cash, that's for sure.Well approximately or even negatively, it seems it is possible to get back investment return within 2.5 years to 3 years max. Then this is real good investment.

So I wonder, if it is so, why there are not many FKK opening up in Germany? I mean I can still count all the fkk clubs in Germany as it is many but not that many that cannot be count.

There must be reason why? Local gangs or people who already operate fkk won't let you into business and disturb or threaten you or need strong political / police connection to open? I mean there must be reason beside moral blocking to open fkk in Germany.

I mean also investment is not that big it is like 4 million euro and it sound like they have few investers, so there are many many companies or individual who can easily pay that, so if the investment return is promising as it seems and also years to get back investment is such a short term then I wonder what blocking more FKK to be open. Licensing issue? Or?

I mean look at berlin, if you open one like Artemis, it is sure hit. There is only one in the region. NRW Frankfurt will be harder as it is mecca for fkk.

Voyajer1

12-08-13, 22:55

Included within the 85 Euros is their taxes / health care/other fees they must pay to the German authorities in order for them to make a living there. This is why from time to time you hear of the Police checking the girls documentation in order for them to work. They must register in the city they choose to work as a sex worker with that city's authorities. It all depends on the city (City hall, police station, labor office, etc) where they register and it helps give the girl some protection from pimps and cases of "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) we hear so much about. In theory, no girl there is working against her will, they are there to make a living. Remember, all they need I'd three 30 minute sessions and they are in the black. For the more productive girls, it is really easy. I've see on one occasion a girl walk out with over 1500 Euros in one day. But she was really good!

I didn't know this. I wonder what the average take home amount for a girl for a day is. 85e seams pretty significant for club entry. It's interesting how there are plenty of nice looking girls willing to come into this small club with such high entrance. Small clubs could be interest to some girls since there are no room wait times, and probably less stressful than big clubs. Clubs like PHG I believe has a fixed entrance much lower for the week and they could stay in the house. That probably brings girls into that club. I could see the low entrance and lodging in house at the NRW since most of the girls are new there.

It's interesting how they pay more than us so that they can make their net positives. I wonder how the girls pay off the entrance fee to make a profit. 20e a night could be helpful to them as the hotel average seems to be around 40-50e and would save them cab fares. Girls like German Charlene was making good money I'm sure as I dropped 200e on her one time after normal 50e session.

Also, I wonder how a new club find enough girls to work for a club. Do they offer free or low entry in the beginning? Do the managers have ties to the bikers gangs? Well, there is plenty of Romanian girls wanting to work in clubs so you can always count on them I guess. The club owner of Sakura told me on opening day the clubs had a long line and many girls came to work there and than the business went down and the line-up is quite thin now.

SwingerLover

12-09-13, 00:41

Since a prostitute is an independent contractor, they have the right to decide their own 'price' by themselves. The flat rate policy in FKK is therefore against this thought.If the independent contractor decides to offer her services on a flatrate basis, who is to tell her that she can't? Take Club La Luna in Moers for example (as long as it's still open). On the website it says that the women are independent contractors, but they used to do All-inclusive days every MON & FRI all year long and even throw in an occasional 3-hour gangbang every now and then. Same with Club Angelique in Viersen, although they did the flatrate days only 4 to 5 times this year.

McAdonis

12-09-13, 00:44

I tend to go to FKKs on non-peak nights. They aren't always full of customers. You see a lot of girls sitting around. I would say that it is quite difficult to have a steady stream of regular customers. Sex tourists, messe attenders and foreign businessmen are less frequent given the state of the global economy.

That leaves locals who reside in Germany / Netherlands. The married men don't really have the luxury to be regular customers. Those men are more likely to go to the RLD for a quickie. I mean, how can you get away from the wife and kids for four-plus hours? A possible excuse might be the occasional boys night out, I suppose. Or after the football team wins, one might go out for a "post-game celebration". That leaves single men. The young ones don't quite have the disposable income to be considered regular.

Mr Ho

12-09-13, 01:12

That leaves locals who reside in Germany / Netherlands. The married men don't really have the luxury to be regular customers. Those men are more likely to go to the RLD for a quickie. I mean, how can you get away from the wife and kids for four-plus hours? A possible excuse might be the occasional boys night out, I suppose. Or after the football team wins, one might go out for a "post-game celebration". That leaves single men. The young ones don't quite have the disposable income to be considered regular.Or just say you have to entertain foreign client for dinner, business dinner meeting. This could do for once a month or two times a month, every week maybe sound too BS maybe.

Or just say you go to gym work out, swim, sauna, etc. This can get you not 4 but 2 or maybe 3 hours.

Well, I am not married so it is easy for me to say, but if wife even make big fuss for above two reasons or even better reasons that I cannot think of. Why marry? It sound like a prison of some kind and you merely become ATM for the wife. In most extreme expression this is. Plus thinking in this extreme, you end up paying about 3million euro minimum for the money you spend on her for her companionship, sex etc. That are so called love. Which is cool, but I am too young for this now, I stick to fkk as it serves me better LOL But this is extremely each to their own, but if marriage do not even allow men to get away for even 3 or 4hours few times a month for whatever reason. It sound very bad move to make in life, at the same time, if fkk becomes the reason for divorce. Fkk visit could cost you half of your asset in some nation or at least a lot of money LOL

FKK is highly addictive and it is not recommended for married man. Because once you pop you cannot stop. Well I cannot ever never stop fkk, escort service or any type of mongering. I have been hooked ever since I was 17 or 18 and for 15 years straight I have been indulging myself in heavy sexual act using money / charm around the globe. I am addicted to this craft / hobby and I do not think this is bad addiction everyone has different hobby or life style and I am proud of mine. I cannot fuck older woman. It is not possible and I cannot even think the fact that when I go home there is old woman waiting for me. I understand the concept, but it is not for me, thanks to sex industry that I became like this, some may see it as a curse, I don't think so LOL it was awakening LOL

If I tell my true honest confession above to any woman I will get big time beating or even lynched LOL.

Mr Ho

12-09-13, 02:05

If the independent contractor decides to offer her services on a flatrate basis, who is to tell her that she can't? Take Club La Luna in Moers for example (as long as it's still open). On the website it says that the women are independent contractors, but they used to do All-inclusive days every MON & FRI all year long and even throw in an occasional 3-hour gangbang every now and then. Same with Club Angelique in Viersen, although they did the flatrate days only 4 to 5 times this year.I agree with you about freedom of choice of independent contractor. But the article was pointing out that it may lead to forced prostitution. I mean I also feel what article and politician was worry about, but with how I understood this kind of clubs, it is totally different to concept of fkk, so I consider it as another genre and type of club to fkk.

Sex in Germany is too cheap I think in general. At least it is much cheaper than where I am from and many other developed nation I went to. Cheap prices are offered in exchange to frequency of customers at fkk, so in the end girls can make more money than let say escort, but she has to do it more times in fkk for cheaper price. For me prices at fkk is just fine and in those flat rate clubs, it may serve somepeoples interest, but not mine and I just hope that German politician and also media stop their attack / complaint etc at there at that type of flat rate club AND do not come into fkk industry.

FKK industry is just fine and best format for both girls and clients. As for other flat rate club it is different genre to fkk. There was a protest outside Artemis few weeks ago apparently, I hope these protesters do that outside more hardcore clubs like flat rate club etc. As far as I know girls at fkk is not in most happiest moment of their life, but they are more or less satisfied with the fkk structure. At least comparison to other format of sex industry.

However, this recent movement in German politic and society worries punter like me as I do want to go to fkk even I am at 60 years old till the day I die. Let me live and die in fkk LOL

Hessen Bub

12-09-13, 09:24

So I wonder, if it is so, why there are not many FKK opening up in Germany? I mean I can still count all the fkk clubs in Germany as it is many but not that many that cannot be count.Since 2002 the number of FKK / Sauna clubs in Germany has multiplied more than twenty-fold. State laws around prostitution in Germany are varying which explains the diffferent concentration of clubs in different parts in Germany. Berlin has always been a city with cheap appartments, kinos and escorts. A second FKK may be successfull, maybe not.

HB

Mr Ho

12-09-13, 10:35

Since 2002 the number of FKK / Sauna clubs in Germany has multiplied more than twenty-fold. State laws around prostitution in Germany are varying which explains the diffferent concentration of clubs in different parts in Germany. Berlin has always been a city with cheap appartments, kinos and escorts. A second FKK may be successfull, maybe not.

HBThere are rumors going around in Berlin saying there will be second Artemis near Tegel airport area, invested by same owner. Apparently rumor is quite solid, but they have not even begin to construction of it, so who knows. Berlin is attractive city too in many aspect, it is just that for fkk, you only got one shot which is artemis and lineup is bad there. Fly in like me is pretty much fucked.

I guess fkk friendly region is obviously NRW then LOL

Also Berlin being capital and all that, I am quite certain that the government do not want reputation of Germany to be sex free country Germany LOL Which for me is the actual image LOL I am sorry, but sexually I never been to any nation where it is so nice for sex beside Thailand. But for me Sex free country Germany comes first LOL I adore their freedom thinking concerning this area. I got goal of 1000 beautiful girls of my taste to fuck in my life time, and German fkk will contribute to my goal greatly and vice versa, I will contribute to German economy as well as economy of the girls I will meet in fkk. I am hooked and am proud of it.

Pentire

12-09-13, 11:07

I don't recommend too much alcohol in the clubs as it reduces your likelyhood of finishing a session with a happy face. Or some girls say makes it difficult to get a drunk man hard. Alcohol does bring the mood up in the club though.

Here are a list of clubs that serves free beer.

GT and Living Room-free and many varieties in the fridge for taking in addition to wheat beer. I've seen wine and mixed drink served later at night.

PHG-Just like GT beer is free including wheat beer, and many varieties for the taking in the fridge. Never tried spirits there, and not sure if its free or cheap. Lots of alcohol drinkers here at this club. I believe girls are freely allowed to drink here. Many girls drink mixed drinks and dances, it's a party atmosphere at night.

Dolce Vita (Dusseldorf).free also, but only tap beer no varieties to choose from.

Maintattan-free, but same as Dolce Vita.

World-Same as bothThank you guys and The Cane as well, I appreciate your replies.

It's not that I'm an out and out drinker. Far from it, but as you say PussyLiccker; alcohol does bring the mood up and from my point of view having a couple of beers before engaging in carnal activity is a perfect normal & natural way of proceeding.

Although I did notice a girl at Oase recently whom appeared to have accepted and consumed rather too many beverages.

Biggut Eight

12-10-13, 05:29

Mr Ho

12-10-13, 23:11

Since this a general question and not specific to any club- I thought this was a good forum to ask:

Has anyone ever had an FKK session with two girls at once?

If so I assume the price is just 50e for each girl for the half hour? Will they charge more if you want them to go down on each other?Yeah I have been many times to the room with two girls. Last visit I went in Artemis with two girls. One girl is 60euro per 30min, so if you take two it is 120euro for 30minutes for two girls.

You can make them do lesbo show and it is included in price, CIM and anal are etc. If you do cim for one of them you only pay for that girl for cim.

I never took more than one girl to the room, I maybe try to take 3 girls to the room to do 4some, but hmmm I don't know.

I like threesome but it is not exactly my thing, I only like the double blow job part. Other part I get confused which one to suck or fuck LOL but double blow job wow I love!

Best threesome for me was I took July (blonde German) and Kimmi (blonde German one) in FKK Palace and wow that session was real. I still have flash back LOL

But I prefer doing one girl at once hard core style of woodman LOL.

The Cane

12-11-13, 11:56

Well, I am not married so it is easy for me to say, but if wife even make big fuss for above two reasons or even better reasons that I cannot think of. Why marry? It sound like a prison of some kind and you merely become ATM for the wife. In most extreme expression this is. Plus thinking in this extreme, you end up paying about 3million euro minimum for the money you spend on her for her companionship, sex etc. That are so called love. Which is cool, but I am too young for this now, I stick to fkk as it serves me better LOL But this is extremely each to their own, but if marriage do not even allow men to get away for even 3 or 4hours few times a month for whatever reason. It sound very bad move to make in life, at the same time, if fkk becomes the reason for divorce. Fkk visit could cost you half of your asset in some nation or at least a lot of money LOL.Legalized prostitution provides the perfect incentive for men to remain single. I mean, if you can get a good job with a good income, pay all your bills and invest for the future, and still bang multiple beautiful women from around the world (even fuck them in the ass Woodman-style LOL!) , then why mess that up by getting married to some nag who thinks it's her job to ruin (I mean "run" hehehe!) your life?

Marriage is simply another way for a man walking the straight and narrow to get a steady supply of pussy. It's the traditional way that society condones. And as you point out, a married man is "paying for it" just like anybody else here! I have a friend who married a foreign girl. Now, this guy is my friend but also an extremely unattractive dude. Nobody is going to fuck him for free (unless she's also extremely unattractive too, and even then she might decline since people always want things from others that they themselves cannot deliver LOL!). And yet, like any man he wants a steady supply of hootchie too. But, he's against "paying for it". So, he gets this reasonably attractive foreign girl to say yes (I fear just to get her ticket to America!).

So anyway, he paid all these fees and expenses to bring this much younger woman to the States. He spent all of this money putting cash down and taking out a loan to buy an expensive house. He's sending her to school to take some classes. Says they're planning on having a baby. More power to them if they're really in love, but I have some serious concerns. For one, why is it that she will never allow herself to be seen in public with the guy? LOL! And as you can see, the outflow of funds is on and on and on. I'm holding my breath in anticipation of the day when he must lose face by having to tell his friends she dumped him! I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I just got a feeling about it. And, it's not good.

Now, I'm not here trying to put down our married colleagues or to start a singles versus married contest. It's just that I get more than a little annoyed when the married types (basically non-mongers) come off all high and mighty about not paying for it, when in fact, that's exactly what they are doing too! Big time (wife, kids, cars, mortgages, in-laws, etc! Only, they're spending it all on one woman who will eventually stop fucking and sucking them like she did in the beginning, but she'll expect / demand that the man damn well better keep on providing financially! On top of it all, she's gotten fat, so you don't want to hunch off on her fat ass anyway LOL!

As a monger, I have fucked more hot girls over a ten-day period than my friend will ever fuck over his entire lifetime hahaha! And that's no exaggeration. What's that you say? It's not all about how many girls you can fuck? Well, let me put it this way. For your average red-blooded man worldwide, it is about trying to have a steady supply of pussy some way, some how. Conservative society tells us that the way to get that is through marriage. But, what traditional society is really doing is setting men up. Playing us for fools I tell you! Duping men into marriage and unhappiness! If you really want to be sexually fulfilled with a steady supply of attractive pussy over your lifetime (including being able to cornhole pretty girls in the butt) , then you can either be a rock star. Or, you can be a monger like us! Hahaha!

So yeah, I pay for it. But, so does a married man! The difference is that he spends his money on one woman, while I choose to spend mine on many. For me, my way is the better way for me and what I want. And then there are those guys who want to have their wife and their tutes too! That would be too much work and mental strain on me. Not to mention the financial ruin that would likely result from a divorce. Keep it simple I say by not trying to have your cake and eat it too. Monger and be free!

Mr Ho

12-12-13, 00:39

Legalized prostitution provides the perfect incentive for men to remain single. I mean, if you can get a good job with a good income, pay all your bills and invest for the future, and still bang multiple beautiful women from around the world (even fuck them in the ass Woodman-style LOL!) , then why mess that up by getting married to some nag who thinks it's her job to ruin (I mean "run" hehehe!) your life?

Marriage is simply another way for a man walking the straight and narrow to get a steady supply of pussy. It's the traditional way that society condones. And as you point out, a married man is "paying for it" just like anybody else here! I have a friend who married a foreign girl. Now, this guy is my friend but also an extremely unattractive dude. Nobody is going to fuck him for free (unless she's also extremely unattractive too, and even then she might decline since people always want things from others that they themselves cannot deliver LOL!). And yet, like any man he wants a steady supply of hootchie too. But, he's against "paying for it". So, he gets this reasonably attractive foreign girl to say yes (I fear just to get her ticket to America!)...Mr Cane, We seem to have same mind set on this issue.

Everytime I say (which I do not rarely say in public as I am aware of back flash) that married guy is paying for his wife in not all but in most cases (about maybe 95%). People find it annoying thing to hear. I think they do some how realize this in their deep dilemma or doubt, but they do not want to admit it.

Me too, I fucked more than beautiful girl average men ever will in their life time already and I am only 33 years old. Some of these girls are rather famous porn actress some men, or some married men are jerking off hidden from their wife, but I get to fuck them for real. Of course money is incentive as I do pay for these sexual service, but so as the married men, and married men are bind by law also if they decide to separate they have to pay for divorce (separation) , me too, when I pay for woman for sex I am also paying them not just for sex, but I am also paying women to go away after sex LOL this is as Charlie Sheen said LOL If I want her back, I pay her again and it is included in the price that she go away after sex LOL Very similar system, only difference is maybe monger do not get same companionship as married guy, but man! I do not want that kind of too intense companionship, for me excort for few days or doing most dirtiest thing with beautiful young women that married men has hard time asking wife to do is just more than fine and better married mens sex with wife. I am being honest and this is fact people.

I mean how else can I get a situation where I can get two beautiful girls from different part of the world to suck my cock? I mean in the club it is possible but it will be hard to set up situation like that whenever I want, with prostitute I am ruler for that and I get what I pay for. Also how else can I fuck porn actress like in the movie, I do not mingle with porn actress in my daily life, so I need to pay agency to deliver me porn actress so that I can fuck her like in the porn movie where as most ordinary mindset men just jerk off in their imagination with porn video and settle for their wife at home. I mean. I am too awake for this myth of marriage, I thought about it deeply but it is not for me, I cannot stop mongering, I mean I have been mongering since I was 17 or 18 years old and I began with escort service in Geneva, since then I am hooked to prostitutes and I do not see this as most ordinary men see this hobby, for me it is like collecting memory and I set my self a goal of over 1000 beautiful girl I want to fuck in my life time, so prostitutes are must for me, I love it! And I got good memories in many 5 star hotels around the world as I have done many many things in those hotels LOL LOL People say when they travel they remember museum, church or some cultural place, me also but more I remember the insane sex memories from my trip to different cities and country LOL Even in tokyo, when I pass some hotels, I cannot stop smile a bit because it remind me of crazy sex session I had in those hotels, same as when I see some nation in the news, it remind me of some insane sex session I had in those nations on the news channel on TV, is it insane or is it the normal result of a man who had many sex memories with beuties? I do not know, but for me it make sense. Makes great sense LOL.

For normal guy or women, it is. My ideology or belief is something they love to criticize or denounce, but I feel I am more rational and I do not criticize those who pay for their wifes daily life, belongings etc exchange for companionship, bad constant sex etc that they call love, I do not denounce that, but it will be nice when these brain washed people do not denounce professional monger like me who love to fuck any girl beautiful whether she is pro or normal beautiful girls. It is just that married men do not want to accept the fact that they partly pay for the marriage in most cases and women (wives) need system of marriage as it is their lifeline LOL so we cannot blame them for denouncing mongers, I like this forum as we can openly discuss things like this as if I say things I wrote here, it is likely that I will end up in fist fight LOL, but pleeeease only place I have wrestling match is on the bed with beautiful young girls around the globe and my mongering continues on and on till the day I die, I got hooked since I was 17 years of age, I aint going to stop till 70 years old when I cannot get it up any more LOL I hope they will invent some insane medicine by then so I can live and die in FKK LOL.

Hessen Bub

12-14-13, 18:39

I am taking this to the lounge:

In contrary. I feel Hungarian and Czech girls are mostly independent girls and have no pimps. Just doing it for better lives, this is my experience but I see less girls from hungary and Czech, especially hungary who seems to be more independent girls just had no opportunity, so doing do better their lives.

Do you guys feel the same?No. Don't believe what the girls tell you. There was a gang of pimped Hungarians at Oase, even sone arrests were made in FFM. There are pimped Czech girls, I know of a Czech girl who had a female pimp. She actually fled to anclub that protectrd her by not letting the other girl in.

All nationalities are affected, there's Polish, German, African, Russian, Romanian, Bulgarian girls with pimps. Whatever you call a pimp. The clubs are not any better than other brothels, they just have that clean friendly face to the customer. It's a brutal business. The younger and less educated the girl the higher the chances that she does have a manager / pimp. There's so many variations to that theme.

HB

Mr Ho

12-15-13, 00:34

I am taking this to the lounge:

No. Don't believe what the girls tell you. There was a gang of pimped Hungarians at Oase, even sone arrests were made in FFM. There are pimped Czech girls, I know of a Czech girl who had a female pimp. She actually fled to anclub that protectrd her by not letting the other girl in.

All nationalities are affected, there's Polish, German, African, Russian, Romanian, Bulgarian girls with pimps. Whatever you call a pimp. The clubs are not any better than other brothels, they just have that clean friendly face to the customer. It's a brutal business. The younger and less educated the girl the higher the chances that she does have a manager / pimp. There's so many variations to that theme.

HBI would say some of these girls who has managers are more of broker or agency who get you into German fkk, so I would call it more of management office where they do charge the girl fee and not brutal treatment on girls. I mean they need agency to start this job in foreign country right? So this agency support and secure their work in German fkk in exchange of fee.

On the other hand, as the article I put link to in Oase forum about 25 hells angel arrest in Majorca, these guys girls are more exploited I think and I met few of these girls (all Germans) in Palace fkk, you know ones with big Abdul tattoo on their body, and few other with different name of ownerships.

Hmmm there must be some girls at German fkk who got jobs there normally though? Or do I believe in too much of their life stories? LOL.

Or at least, they began with this agency or pimps, but after while, they got rid of them because prostitution is illegal, so if the girls are hit or whatever, girls can goto police, and in some way police are waiting till these gang or pimp etc are going to do something, so that they have reason to arrest them and crack into more bigger thing that they do criminally.

I met some real nice girls at fkk and some got bit personal too (not fall in love or nothing like that I am not naive, but you know I know them long enough to call them some kind of friends and they at least most girls never ripped me off or treat me badly) , so that I only wish good thing and future for these girls.

But hey in that article link, when I read that in summer that biker gang got arrested in Majorca and one of the guys name was Abudul. There was bell ring in my head like wow these are the guys. I hope situation get better for some of these girls.

Mr Ho

12-15-13, 01:45

PS: Here are some videos of the arrest, they had quite set up there in Majorca, I mean it is not all came from prostitution rings, but sadly to realize we are contributing to it and even more sadly to realize I am in part benefiting from their business operation and they do provide good looking girls to fkk.

Is it necessary evil that help punters and also fkk operators? As without them we may have more difficulty to find good girls at fkk. I just hope girls are treated more or less right and not brutally. I mean for alot of girls case I know. It is actually their choices in away to get involve with gangs. Maybe it began as mistake of girls youth that dragged on and on as these pimps won't let their merchandise go away easily.

Few weeks ago we discuss about fkk opening in Germany. With these guys involve, even though it is legal business in Germany, normal rich business man may have problem opening fkk in Germany. I mean I think it is easy to open fkk in germany if you have good business plan, clean criminal record and money to invest, even foreigners can open fkk in Germany I think as Germany welcome investment more than 1mill euro and employ more than 10 German nationals, it is state policy. BUT, even you open the best fkk facility, you need good girls and only way to get good girls it seems is get in touch with PIMPS and in this case biker gangs, so in a way they will have life line to your fkk business as without them it will be hard to get good girls to your clubs. However, even they argue that prostitution is legal in germany, it is illegal to profit from prostitute, so what they are doing being pimp is illegal, as a result they in part got arrested for it.

FKK is interesting business opportunity in germany for corporations and I am even interested, but structure wise if you have to get involve with these gang type material, it is think twice area as you do not want that they control the oil pipe to your fkk business. And even you manage to find your own pipe of good looking working girls, these pimps and gangs may consider that as you stole their merchandises. Hmmm prostitutions even in legal format attract rather grey or black area underworld people.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=25+hells+angel+majorca&sm=3

Mr Ho

12-15-13, 05:18

The link for prostitute ring gang arrest did not go well somehow, so I post it again, I hope it works as link. If it does not work, you got to right click and open it with open new address:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=25+hells+angel+majorca&sm=3

Solo Traveler

12-15-13, 08:45

Thanks for all the information about FKK clubs and the entire industry.

I know how things work in real world now.

I was too naive and sentimental to be blinded by the shiny clean surface.

Hessen Bub

12-15-13, 10:26

I mean they need agency to start this job in foreign country right? So this agency support and secure their work in German fkk in exchange of fee.No. No need for any agency or fee. No need to be "secured". And absolutely no reason to pay big money to anybody.

HB

London Traveller

12-15-13, 10:38

[QUOTE=Mr Ho; 1507974]Hmmm there must be some girls at German fkk who got jobs there normally though? Or do I believe in too much of their life stories? LOL. [/QUOTE.

There are definitely FKK girls who decided to work there voluntarily and are not being exploited. However there are also guys who prey on these girls too and try to exploit them, sometimes successfully. I am finding that there are less of these girls in the clubs now and this is probably linked to the political concern about rising levels of coercion, leading to new legislative proposals. I am as a consequence visiting the clubs less and trying to find more enthusiastic girls in London. There are actually plenty of English (and sometimes Australian etc.) girls here who have normal lives but want to earn a bit of extra cash and have some fun at the same time, but it is a bit harder to find them than just turning up at an FKK club.

Hedonian

12-15-13, 11:05

Mr Ho

12-15-13, 11:50

No. No need for any agency or fee. No need to be "secured". And absolutely no reason to pay big money to anybody.

HBI hope it is like that, but if you born in Less Developed Country where monthly salary is not even 300euro or much less. These girls cannot afford to buy ticket to come to germany to work etc. So I thought that there is an agency where they sponsor them exchanging for % of their future income or charge them interest.

I don't know as I did meet german girls who has these tattoos and I also heard the stories from other girls about other girls being involved with biker gangs.

I never heard of these stories on foreign girls, but logically it makes sense that they first come to germany through agency of some kind.

Well I don't know. But I hope this is not the story and girls at fkk are mostly happy and not exploited.

Mr Ho

12-15-13, 12:00

Hmmm there must be some girls at German fkk who got jobs there normally though? Or do I believe in too much of their life stories? LOL..There are definitely FKK girls who decided to work there voluntarily and are not being exploited. However there are also guys who prey on these girls too and try to exploit them, sometimes successfully. I am finding that there are less of these girls in the clubs now and this is probably linked to the political concern about rising levels of coercion, leading to new legislative proposals. I am as a consequence visiting the clubs less and trying to find more enthusiastic girls in London. There are actually plenty of English (and sometimes Australian etc.) girls here who have normal lives but want to earn a bit of extra cash and have some fun at the same time, but it is a bit harder to find them than just turning up at an FKK club.The whole point of making prostitution legal is abolish working girls getting exploited by so called pimps.

But it is strange to know for the fact that some of these girls who do not need pimp like German girls actually have pimp or related person in their lives and even tattoo of pimps name on their body. I mean why? This is my mystery.

Well some of these girls are nice girls so whatever make them happy and I wish they will end in happiness.

Having said that, I do think it is not easy for fkk to gather beautiful girls, so it is maybe necessary evil for fkk owner to be in touch with pimps to gather constant supply of beautiful girls.

Haha I like your gig in London Mr London traveller! It is like Coed need cash next door amateur thing! Enjoy!

London Traveller

12-15-13, 14:31

Gentlemen,

I have time off to hit FKK land on Christmas day and few days afterwards. I never been there around that time.

How slow is it during that time? Is it so slow that is not worth visiting because all girls are gone and FKKs become sausage fests, or it is just less girls and less men and it is all right?

From what I see all FKKs work on Christmas but start later in the day. I will be arriving to DUS but could drive down to FRA area. Which area would you suggest?

Thanks.The problem you will find is not a girl shortage, but that the girls on duty are those who are not very sociable and don't visit their families at Christmas or don't have families to go to. These are not really the best service providers IMHO.

Ableyone

12-15-13, 14:49

How slow is it during that time? Is it so slow that is not worth visiting because all girls are gone and FKKs become sausage fests, or it is just less girls and less men and it is all right?The Orthodox Christmas Day falls on the 7th January so the Bulgarian, Romanian, Greek, Spanish and Italian girls may still be around. ;)

Also next year the Orthodox and Western church Easters coincide.:(

Hessen Bub

12-15-13, 14:55

Again: Sharks pays the girls 1. 200 EUR if they work from Dec 20 to Jan 6. So Sharks should have a good line-up in that period. At least it did the last 2 years.

HB

PussyLiccker

12-15-13, 15:24

PussyLiccker

12-16-13, 02:25

Hmmm there must be some girls at German fkk who got jobs there normally though? Or do I believe in too much of their life stories? LOL.There are definitely FKK girls who decided to work there voluntarily and are not being exploited. However there are also guys who prey on these girls too and try to exploit them, sometimes successfully. I am finding that there are less of these girls in the clubs now and this is probably linked to the political concern about rising levels of coercion, leading to new legislative proposals. I am as a consequence visiting the clubs less and trying to find more enthusiastic girls in London. There are actually plenty of English (and sometimes Australian etc.) girls here who have normal lives but want to earn a bit of extra cash and have some fun at the same time, but it is a bit harder to find them than just turning up at an FKK club.I would think it's most likely that girls like that exist at the NRW, but as I do not know what goes behind the curtains I cannot say for certain. For starters, many new girls at the NRW, typically girls start there, and less tatoos.

For example, I have heard girls say that they do not like to work at Magnum for reasons of men that shows up late at night. I have heard girls from Mondial say this and other girls. When I was in Magnum one day, there was this German girl that was ok with my company. I sensed she was a normal girl without a pimp. Close to closing time, she told me to hang around with her so she doesn't have to deal with the Turkish men there. Also, girl at Mondial tells me there are different types of Turkish men that comes to Magnum, and they point to the ones with mohawks. Mondial girls tell me Turkish men at Mondial are typical Turkish men that don't cause any trouble.

Also GT is one of those clubs that has a policy to not let certain men in. I'm not exactly sure of the reasons, but I believe it could be possibly related to reducing trouble and for the girls. They might have a history of trouble with certain types of men. So that means, this action would fend off any gang members or pimps or the like. It is quite racist that the management profiles men. That doesn't mean that the girls at GT are not pimped, but I would think this club has the most safest environment for the girls and probably has the girls with least likely of being pimped. Least likely that girls will be coerced there, and if you notice the desk ladies are former prostitutes, I'm sure they know what goes on in the business.

Mr Ho

12-16-13, 03:10

I would think it's most likely that girls like that exist at the NRW, but as I do not know what goes behind the curtains I cannot say for certain. For starters, many new girls at the NRW, typically girls start there, and less tatoos.

For example, I have heard girls say that they do not like to work at Magnum for reasons of men that shows up late at night. I have heard girls from Mondial say this and other girls. When I was in Magnum one day, there was this German girl that was ok with my company. I sensed she was a normal girl without a pimp. Close to closing time, she told me to hang around with her so she doesn't have to deal with the Turkish men there. Also, girl at Mondial tells me there are different types of Turkish men that comes to Magnum, and they point to the ones with mohawks. Mondial girls tell me Turkish men at Mondial are typical Turkish men that don't cause any trouble..Some of the desk ladies are former prostitutes? This is new news to me LOL! I mean I became kinda familiar with some of them, not at GT as I only went there one time, but Artemis and I never thought these ladies are former prostitute, but now that you pointed out and think about it. With tattoo and all that, it is possible, but they are so so nice.

I never witnessed pimps in clubs, but I did read on forum thread here and there that there some times are pimps in FKK. Personally never seen one.

However, I do know that some girls I met have pimp or related guy who is equivalent to pimp. Most famous one was Abdul tattoo girls which was topic of many forum threads and I did meet and went to room with some of these girls in FKK Palace and Artemis. I asked them about tattoo and they told me it is boyfriends name and it is Morrocan guy. Sometime later, another girl told me that this guy is two brothers, morrocan guy living in majorca. Then this summer I read this article about these guys arrest in Majorca (I put a link before here of article) and one of the guy who got arrested was Abudul something. This article rang bell inside my head. It may not be the same guy but I know for the fact that some girls at fkk have boyfriends who has bit shady back ground. So called almost pimp. And none of the girls I met were from less developed nation, but all these girls were Germans. Well like I said, it was mistake of youth that kind of dragged on.

FKK is tough place for girls to end up, but if you play the right card, FKK could be key to their blight future of some kind. So I really hope that girls who are in fkk will see this as tough, but opportunity to make money to begin their second life after fkk instead of giving their hard working money to someone else. They already pay enough tax to government that is already enough. In away I have pimp too as I pay almost 50% tax to my government LOL So in this sense I am in the same situation as these girls, it is just that my pimp is my government LOL and this pimp is too strong for me to beat, so I pay with tax, how many crazy sessions I could have in FKK LOL this thought make me angry LOL!

Mr Ho

12-16-13, 03:31

The Orthodox Christmas Day falls on the 7th January so the Bulgarian, Romanian, Greek, Spanish and Italian girls may still be around. .

Also next year the Orthodox and Western church Easters coincide.I would say also Hungarians as well bacause they are not orthodox nation I think? But a lot of Hungarian girls go home very often with my experience, so they may go home for Christmas and part of January.

Hessen Bub

12-16-13, 10:09

I never witnessed pimps in clubs,You may not have recognized them, they do not necessarily comply with the stereotype of a pimp.

GT and other NRW clubs do not have less or more trafficked / pimped / managed girls than other clubs in Hessen or Bavaria. What GT does have more compared to other clubs is drugs, may it be pot or cocaine.

HB

Mr Ho

12-16-13, 10:24

You may not have recognized them, they do not necessarily comply with the stereotype of a pimp.

GT and other NRW clubs do not have less or more trafficked / pimped / managed girls than other clubs in Hessen or Bavaria. What GT does have more compared to other clubs is drugs, may it be pot or cocaine.

HBI did not witness or recognize these guys, but ok they are around in club then. It is strange why some girls even bother to pay their part of hard earned income to these guys.

As for medications. This I saw and smell sometimes even in major fkk like Artemis, but most of these guy who does it do that outside rather discretely so it is fine by me. But girls also told me there are some clients who ask them if they can take certain substances in the room.

Either way, I never saw or witness any negative events in any fkk whether fight or even arguments. Even though I know these things do happen as I read them on german newspaper and also I hear from girls.

Considering what happened in Artemis last year (big fight with electric guns). Some clubs should consider metal detecter at the door. However, thanks god at least what I know nothing bad really ever happened to girls in any of major fkk. Girls have their down and up in fkk, but I never heard any really bad things happening to girls in major fkk.

However, I hear that in Artemis, there was a client who refuse to pay the girl after long hours of session and got into big arguments downstairs after the session with managements etc. Apparently this client who refuse to pay was so rude and lied about what happened in the room that girl punched him on the nose LOL and the guys nose was broken LOL, she got punished by the club which was few months banned from the club. ;. (with this event, I am with the girl, I mean these girls (those who are not shark) work so so hard to get this money, so I am always so appreciative for the time they given me after session, so if the girl was right, I am with the girls side on this one, good punch! LOL I heard this from not this punching girl, but from the friend of hers.

Many things seems to happen in German fkk beside sex LOL.

PussyLiccker

12-16-13, 14:03

UltraHappy

12-16-13, 19:15

I have a couple of girls who have quit the fkk business who I continue to see from time to time. They tell me lots of stories about what goes on "behind the scenes." I hear lots of stories about overhead conversations in the locker rooms. From these observations, it would seem that most of the girls, even at Oase, have a pimp, manager, or a boyfriend who takes all of their money. Yes, there are independent girls, but these independents are not so numerous. Exact statistics are tough. Especially since none of this is black and white, but rather, many of these "relationships" fall on a continuum / spectrum. What is the difference between a boyfriend who lives off the girl's wages and "manages" her money for her versus a pimp?

My girls have no reason to fabricate as they don't work in the FKKs anymore. They are just relaying stories of what they saw and heard in the locker room from back when they used to be in the business.

It's funny how each and every girl you go to the room with will swear up and down that they don't have a boyfriend or a pimp, but in fact, most of them do.

Free Dude

12-16-13, 19:44

Yeah, once the girls start telling stories you'll find most of them will have something you would consider a pimp. The ones that will tell you about this will call him their boyfriend; I've only had one girl tell me about a 'taking all my money' pimp; and that was after she fled from him and changed clubs on the downlow. One of my girlfriendliest girls has always been very open about her boyfriend (might be one of the reason we are so over the top 'in love' in the club; she knows I fake it just as much as she does). So now I know of a whole group of girls (most of which I actually fucked) that are from the same village and all their boyfriends are either related or mates; with my girl's boyfriend driving them around (we know what that means). These girls are spread over a handfull of clubs from NRW to Hessen and they all admit to knowing each other (and even sharing appartments) ; except that all these other girls are single, really.

Member #4585

12-16-13, 22:18

Here is one, when I was at the world, there was a gentleman that a few girls was hanging around with slobbering all over him and grinding on him in the main lounge. A buddy who knows all the girls there told me he is a drug dealer.Here is another one. I heard that there is a girl that makes more money selling drugs to the other girls than she does by servicing customers.

Also if you search the Golden Time thread you can see references from customers who take drugs in Golden Time.

Mr Ho

12-16-13, 22:18

Here is one, when I was at the world, there was a gentleman that a few girls was hanging around with slobbering all over him and grinding on him in the main lounge. A buddy who knows all the girls there told me he is a drug dealer.Hahaha This is partly I enjoy fkk LOL Because, Look, I fly in all the way from Tokyo just for FKK right? If you think about it, and I think it is quite insane to travel half the way around the world to have 7 to 12 days of straight sex after sex with girls from all over European cities and tiny tiny suburb villages of Europe I never heard of LOL And I am not only fly in Punter as there are many guys in this forum also who fly all the way to Germany just for or mainly for FKK, this is insane thing to do LOL

On the other hand, we got regulars from the local area with all sort of legit occupations, then we also got this drug dealers or pimps etc. Man FKK on the real is like Mayhem and Heaven put together LOL

This Boyfriend / pimp thing is quite stupid of girls who made the choice to be on their hand. She is working for this money and why give it away. And what to manage for her if the whole prostitution business is legal and legit in Germany? I say this as most of these girls who I met and had pimp were German girls. I mean if it is foreign girls from Less developed country, I could understand that first she needed a pimp like agency who can organize thing for her in Germany to get her started and also rend her money so that she can travel to Germany to begin her fkk job. But with German girls. They could just walk in near by FKK and apply. Why need management. As for security. All major fkk has very good security and these security guys are nice guys both to clients and girls, so I don't know why german girls are in need of pimp kinda guy to manage thing for them? Manage what?

Buy maybe these girls need mental support. I cannot say all of these girls are from happy back ground family wise. So maybe pimp manage girls mental state and make them happy as they can be mentally? Or it was this at the beginning and it kind of dragged on.

You cannot trust all the girls story at FKK, but when you go for same girls for few years and you become real long time regular and you are nice to her, she eventually open up a bit and tell you thing. Most of them have some crazy back ground. However, I cannot generalize this by race, but most Hungarians / Czech girls tend to have more soft core stories in general, but this is more of my personal experience.

One time, I went with this german girls, I think she was like 19 or 20 years old not more than 21 for sure, she was cute type, but she had quite few tattoos, so I was talking with her about each tattoo, you know just making some conversation before the session in the room. She had this tattoo of sharp knife on her wrist, so I asked her "why knife tattoo on the wrist?" Then she replied that "my father killed himself with knife cutting his wrist, so I put tattoo of knife here to remember him". I mean you can just imagine how hard for me to have erection after that. Only time I thought I needed viagra LOL, but she was very nice girl and good session after. But this is one of my heavy moment of fkk experience.

I have many stories like this in FKK, I also had another one who began to tell me her story and there was a part when she went "my dream when I was young was to become make up artist" then she began to cry. I mean I did not know how to react this one after too. As this one too was during the chat before the session in room so. I mean so many stories in fkk,

Of course some are BS, but I try to judge who are telling the truth or not, but I do believe some of the things some of these girls tells me.

No one want to suck dick of rondom strangers. So it is no surprise that there are some hardcore stories behind. Knowing this, I try to be nice as I can be to the girls, as I know all of them have stories. Sometimes I hear some bad room session where the clients are not so nice to the girls and I am against that, I think we should all treat these girls with resect as much as we can. Yes we pay but they are human in the end and not products.

However. When I meet bad bad girls, who up sell in very bad way (I do not mind up sell as long as session is solid good and promised when I agree to up sell) , then excuse my miss, but I punish her with Woodman style session LOL and never go with her again.

Finnish Fucker

12-16-13, 22:33

It's funny how each and every girl you go to the room with will swear up and down that they don't have a boyfriend or a pimp, but in fact, most of them do.The more I read these pimp stories the less I really want to know about the girls and their backgrounds. With working girls ignorance is bliss.

As HB once wrote: go into a club, select a girl, fuck her, pay her, get out and forget about her. And then next week the same round, lol :cool:

-Kepp

ShooBree

12-17-13, 00:43

I only go to German FKKs a few times a years, but I have found the sharkiness much higher than in the Spanish clubs. Probably because of the high ratio of Romanians in Germany vs latinas in Spain. But I would also like to believe that latinas are less pimped, which is kind of stupid as I have actually met pimps and drug dealers down there. But I have met so many sweet latinas and I would hate for them to get used by lazy pimps.

Would you say that the ratio of pimped girl is it approximately the same both for the eastern European girls as for the latinas? I'm especially thinking about Gabi from Venezuela in Oase. I mean that girl is a real sweetheart. She had this big beautiful smile and actually seemed quite happy (or as happy a wg can be). I have a hard time imagine from her behaviour that she would have a pimp.

I also wonder what's the possibility of the pimps doing jail time? It would probably require that the girl reports him? From what I have read I get the impression that the girls would not appreciate a captain save-a-hoe telling the pimp to fuck off.

Mr Ho

12-17-13, 03:05

I only go to German fkk:s a few times a years, but I have found the sharkiness much higher than in the Spanish clubs. Probably because of the high ratio of Romanians in Germany vs latinas in Spain. But I would also like to believe that latinas are less pimped, which is kind of stupid as I have actually met pimps and drug dealers down there. But I have met so many sweet latinas and I would hate for them to get used by lazy pimps.

Would you say that the ratio of pimped girl is it approximately the same both for the eastern European girls as for the latinas? I'm especially thinking about Gabi from Venezuela in Oase. I mean that girl is a real sweetheart. She had this big beautiful smile and actually seemed quite happy (or as happy a wg can be). I have a hard time imagine from her behaviour that she would have a pimp.

I also wonder what's the possibility of the pimps doing jail time? It would probably require that the girl reports him? From what I have read I get the impression that the girls would not appreciate a captain save-a-hoe telling the pimp to fuck off.All the girls who has boyfriend or pimps or what the guy is name tattooed on the body, none of them were dull. In fact they were nice people, some up sell, but can take stronger sex. They seems to be happy. So I think pimp make their life full mentally. I guess they let the girls hear what girls want to hear all the time.

Well I sometimes do not know if some of these girls have the goal in life or they are just doing it for random money of youth? I mean if they take this fkk jobs seriously with no pimp or luxury around (some go and spend their cash on cars etc). And think of it as short term big cash for their long term dream, these girls can change their lives. And some really seems to be doing for university fee and also apartment so that they got place to live, able to pay tution fee and better their lives after graduation. But most of them. They seems to be just doing it as life job till they are not young anymore. Then what? I mean some of these girls are sweet hearted so I wish better for their lives. Only thing I can do for them and fuck them more and pay though LOL How ironic. I got no choice so I keep on travel half the way around the world now and then to fuck them hoping it will indirectly better their life. Irony of myself. Once I found FKK in Germany my image of Germany became merely straight sex orgy place LOL This is the only image I have of Germany when I see Germany on news or hear the word German or Germany LOL.

Solo Traveler

12-17-13, 05:23

Hahaha This is partly I enjoy fkk LOL Because, Look, I fly in all the way from Tokyo just for FKK right? If you think about it, and I think it is quite insane to travel half the way around the world to have 7 to 12 days of straight sex after sex with girls from all over European cities and tiny tiny suburb villages of Europe I never heard of LOL And I am not only fly in Punter as there are many guys in this forum also who fly all the way to Germany just for or mainly for FKK, this is insane thing to do LOLMr. Ho,

You're Japanese?

Great to find that I am not the only insane East Asian who travel so far to Germany just to fuck the white girls in FKK Clubs! LOL.

I'm Taiwanese, and I just flew all the way from Taipei to Frankfurt just for a 8-day sexcation in FKK Clubs on November.

For others, this may be insane and not so appealing.

However, in my case, I have lost my interest in Asian women. Only White women can turn me on now.

Where am I going to find so many fuckable white women in East Asia?

This is not insane. This is how life should be like! I am going to have another sexcation in German FKK Clubs next summer! LOL

Mr Ho

12-17-13, 22:08

Mr. Ho,

You're Japanese?

Great to find that I am not the only insane East Asian who travel so far to Germany just to fuck the white girls in FKK Clubs! LOL.

I'm Taiwanese, and I just flew all the way from Taipei to Frankfurt just for a 8-day sexcation in FKK Clubs on November.

For others, this may be insane and not so appealing.

However, in my case, I have lost my interest in Asian women. Only White women can turn me on now.

Where am I going to find so many fuckable white women in East Asia?

This is not insane. This is how life should be like! I am going to have another sexcation in German FKK Clubs next summer! LOLYes I am, I still do like some of the Asian women, but it is limited to very selected ones, as I wrote before I only go with porn stars or very few half white half japanese girl here in Tokyo.

We were discussing how life should be like for Punter / mongers like us and how life is like for marriage believer who are male earlier on this forum. So if you are interested read back as it was pretty interesting conversations we had on that topic few weeks ago on this forum.

Me too I prefer white women, but in asia we are big time shortage of stocks.

However Macau is not bad for that in Sauna, it is unique place, or if you like hybrid Asian / white girls, Philippines you find some good ones, but I am afraid you have to look and dig for them as they are minorities. Alot of filipina goto middle east for maid etc and they get pregnant there, and you also find some half Arab / Philippine girls too, some are real cute. But mind you it is not safest set up in Philippines, but if you do be careful it is all ok too in Philippines. But I would say only bet you have for white girls in Asia is Macau.

I also heard about easter former Soviet Union nations near Japan like Vladiostok (one hour flight from Japan) has some nice girls, but you need your own contact for it and I do not know anyone there, so I never been. Hmmm I should dig on this one because I do goto germany just for fkk once to three times a year, but it is looooong flight.

Mr Ho

12-18-13, 06:53

I read in quite many legitimate news papers and magazines from Germany that first lady of Germany Bettin wulf worked in Artemis.

Is that for real?

Any long term German fkk goers here, what is your opinion on this one.

She has a medium tattoo on her arm that she does not hide with make up, so it must be obvious if there is a regular client of her if she was working at Artemis.

But is this really true rumors? Any long goers of Artemis here what do you think or you remember the golden days? LOL Article says she was working in Artemis like in 2006 or 2007 or something, it must be when it just opened. Is this true.

Thanks to tattoo though as if this is true, someone must remember it as not just face, but tattoo is good tool to notice the individual, I often remember the tattoo of the girl I went with to identify her on thread.

You know once I called escort in Tokyo and I had session with just divorced semi famous model wife of very famous K1 / UFA fighter. I was surprised and knew who she was but I did not say nothing and enjoyed the session. I was so lucky! So these things are possible. But? Hmm first lady we are talking here so?

Here are some of the article I googled. Man still. It cannot be true. But it is possible as most articles are pretty legit magazine and they are writting about first lady. So, select and right click to open if the link below cannot be clicked:

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=christian+wulff+artemis&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=christian+wulff+artemis&rls=en

Hessen Bub

12-18-13, 08:04

Mr Ho

12-18-13, 16:45

A high percentage of these girls is in the job for a gew years, getting fucked all day, sucking stranger's dicks, swallowing their cum, getting her ass fucked and making quite a lot of money. They spend most of the money on "boyfriends" and other useless stuff. Then they go back to their miserable lives in Romania and still have nothing.

Sorry to be cynical.

HBI wonder. If deciding to work in fkk was a big decision for them to change their life. Or It was just random decision of their youth. I mean with my 4 years of fkking, I only can say one girl that I met which I am sure that it was big decision for her to work in fkk and she was doing it to change her life. She was Hungarian.

Other than her. I am not sure what other girls are working in FKK for. It is not easy thing to work in fkk. So what do I care, but I rather prefer that they will have some kind of positive outcome after taking up this job. So far. I only met this one Hungarian girl who has a vision after fkk. Other than her. I am not too sure what others are planning to do. I mean some of the cars in parking plot belongs to the girls like porsche etc. I mean for Porsche. Let say she bought it second hand and not new, so it is let say about 50000 euro right, so in Artemis price which is highest. And if it is 30 minutes session, it is about sex with 833 men. Each for 30minutes. I mean is Porsche worth having sex with 833 strangers? LOL This is just small example, but some of these girls do not have common sense. I only go there to fuck yes, but sometimes I get so philosophical as fkk sometimes get into my brain. Only reason I can understand is that, if girls are doing it to save money for university education and real estate or some kind of venture business, I understand that, but when they go and spend their hard earned income for shits that they don't really need or on some pimp type boyfriend. I have hard time figuring it out why. Logically it does not make sense. Then I come to conclusion. Whatever and let fuck them woodman style LOL I do have some deep thinking moment in fkk as I stay there all day till late into midnight / early morning for 12 straight days when I am in Germany. What a mayhen and heaven put together fkk. So many memories. And more to come.

The Cane

12-19-13, 00:10

I mean is Porsche worth having sex with 833 strangers? LOL This is just small example, but some of these girls do not have common sense. I only go there to fuck yes, but sometimes I get so philosophical as fkk sometimes get into my brain. Only reason I can understand is that, if girls are doing it to save money for university education and real estate or some kind of venture business, I understand that, but when they go and spend their hard earned income for shits that they don't really need or on some pimp type boyfriend. I have hard time figuring it out why. Logically it does not make sense.You're over analyzing this shit man. Just go and have your fun buggering them tutes up the butt. And let them decide if it was worth it or not to suck 833 dongs in order to have that Porsche sports car LOL!

Banana Boi

12-19-13, 00:20

I have time off to hit FKK land on Christmas day and few days afterwards. I never been there around that time.

How slow is it during that time? Is it so slow that is not worth visiting because all girls are gone and FKKs become sausage fests, or it is just less girls and less men and it is all right?

From what I see all FKKs work on Christmas but start later in the day. I will be arriving to DUS but could drive down to FRA area. Which area would you suggest?I'm using Samya as an example since they have their daily roster online and they are a Romanian dominated club. Last Wednesday they had 50+ girls working. Today there are 17 girls on the roster. Yes, there may be girls not on the site who worked last week and / or today but it gives you an indication on the percentage of girls who may not be in a club over Christmas.

PussyLiccker

12-19-13, 03:44

I'm using Samya as an example since they have their daily roster online and they are a Romanian dominated club. Last Wednesday they had 50+ girls working. Today there are 17 girls on the roster. Yes, there may be girls not on the site who worked last week and / or today but it gives you an indication on the percentage of girls who may not be in a club over Christmas.

How many girls are usually on vacation? I see 5 that are on vacation now.

Mr Ho

12-19-13, 05:53

You're over analyzing this shit man. Just go and have your fun buggering them tutes up the butt. And let them decide if it was worth it or not to suck 833 dongs in order to have that Porsche sports car LOL!Yeah LOL I do get deep in FKK LOL

I mean, I do go 12 days straight everyday. 4pm to about around 2pm ish. So after few days of this and many more days to go. Between the session. I get into this mode of thinking LOL.

But you are right, I should just let myself go LOL

I used to when I first discover German fkk, but I was in my late 20s, now I am in my 30s so maybe that is why LOL early middle age crisis, but man, I have been fucking around for long time and when it comes to working girls, I almost got no budget, as this is what I spend the money most, finest beautiful working girls and finest foods LOL I think I over did it also. I mean it only happened one time as I say, but when I like a girl in fkk, I must fuck her everyday for few hours and I get more and more woodman as play goes by and one time she began not liking me LOL At the beginning she told me her real name, number, e mail etc. Then after few days. LOL LOL FKK get me over fuck and also over thinking in result of this.

I should get back to my first time discovering FKK and just go nuts LOL I will do that next year LOL.

After all, FKK is always the among best memories of my life LOL Place to buy and collect some insane good memory!

Citizen Kane

12-19-13, 08:09

I mean is Porsche worth having sex with 833 strangers?833 is for a second hand 911. I reckon they could get a used Cayman for about 550 dongs and a Boxster for under 400. Bargain!

Mr Ho

12-19-13, 22:25

833 is for a second hand 911. I reckon they could get a used Cayman for about 550 dongs and a Boxster for under 400. Bargain!Yeah LOL Sometimes in the room, When girls open the curtain and we look outside together, then girls sometimes begins to tell me that car belong to such and such person etc. So that is how this calculation in side began LOL.

In those moments, I begin to think "wow how many guys did she have to fuck to get this cars?" LOL Then I was like "wow few hundreds guys for this car" LOL I mean that is some strange way of calculating things but it is prompt way to do it as that is the business structure for these girls LOL Few hundred guys to fuck to buy a fucking car is quite a way to do it LOL But after all it is their choice, if I am in their shoes though I will invest in myself to try to change the life as they could get enough capital to do it in FKK, not easy but first time in their life it could open the door. But instead they begin to open the door for porsche or pay PIMP and end up in extra sex with him and then more clients to support that lifestyle as package. Hmmm hard logic to understand, but there is nothing to understand as in the end I am just there to fuck like woodman LOL

However, I was reading Artemis forum and some of these guys are getting ripped off, it sounded like so. I mean for me most of things are included in the price like DATY, Kissinng, sex, no covered BJ etc. But I read that some are being asked to pay for some of these things. Only Anal and CIM are extra for me there. Some of the girls do not kiss, but this has been long been problem around all fkk maybe because of this stupid movie pretty woman.

Sometimes I get lucky that girls are very good. And sometimes I get not so good service, but I do not go with that girl again. Plus I only go for 30min for first one or two times to see if she is bad service provider or not.

Normally I do not have to request alot as good girls provide, bad girl simply never provide, sometimes time solve the problem of bad sessions as some of these girls provide good service after while.

Banana Boi

12-19-13, 22:39

How many girls are usually on vacation? I see 5 that are on vacation now.Boxes turn green when they're in the club.

So much for my theory there are 40 girls today. LOL

I notice a lot of new names on the roster today.

The Cane

12-19-13, 23:01

Happy Holidays my fellow "mongerers". Seems as if even Santa enjoys some anal every now and again! Hehehe!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2fkHOED9f0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVWk6IfRuEE

(1:14 mark if you want to cut right to it in second clip LOL!)

PussyLiccker

12-20-13, 01:17

Boxes turn green when they're in the club.

So much for my theory there are 40 girls today. LOL

I notice a lot of new names on the roster today.This is good news, you know where I'm stopping by. This one and Mondial. It could be because of below. I hope that's the case with all clubs, it would be a very happy holidays for us in the Clubs.

The Orthodox Christmas Day falls on the 7th January so the Bulgarian, Romanian, Greek, Spanish and Italian girls may still be around. .

Also next year the Orthodox and Western church Easters coincide.

833 is for a second hand 911. I reckon they could get a used Cayman for about 550 dongs and a Boxster for under 400. Bargain!

This is hiliarious. This should be another form of currency like bitcoin.

You guys bring up a great point with the dongs. That means the money is going to the girls for their cars or whatnot.

BadinSweet

12-20-13, 21:35

Hi everyone, I would appreciate any inputs. I will be in FRA for a week in early Feb but it's during messe time. So the hotel is super overprice and expensive. So, I'm thinking instead of going to my beloved place, Palace, to go somewhere else like NRW or staying outside FRA for a few days. Questions (keep in mind that I love Palace girls) :

1. With all the talk about Oase current upsell (I have been to a few times, though enjoy each time but never really a big fan anyways) , which would be better between Shark and World? (for non smoker and non drinker)

2. I plan to base in DUS or Munchengladbach, other than GT (which I visit only once on my very first FKK experience, enjoyed but hate the sausage factory) which would also be good to visit, line up wise? I assume ACA, LR or Samya?

I will have a car so I can go anywhere. Thank you for any inputs. On the other note, I would love to go watch football game, preferably Dortmund game. It will be like a last moment thing since I may have other plans already. How hard is it to get the ticket on the same day at the stadium? Thanks.

Hessen Bub

12-20-13, 22:22

I will have a car so I can go anywhere. Thank you for any inputs. On the other note, I would love to go watch football game, preferably Dortmund game. It will be like a last moment thing since I may have other plans already. How hard is it to get the ticket on the same day at the stadium? Thanks.Dortmund does have the only home game in February on the 15th. They are playing Frankfurt, so there might be a chance for a ticket.

HB

Ilink

12-21-13, 01:02

It's funny how each and every girl you go to the room with will swear up and down that they don't have a boyfriend or a pimp, but in fact, most of them do.
Originally Posted by CaptCabins:What can we do to help this girls?

"She never ask me extra money and she only got 50 euro. After the session she cried but never ask more than what she needed. It bothered me. So anything we can do to help her?

Tell the club or police?
Tell the police. I also know of two real life instances where the guys have helped girls leave the FKK club literally by walking out with them. Their pimps did not know where the girl went."

It is such a pity that some girls are forced to work under duress from boyfriends or pimps. There should be some support for these girls through an organisation that can council and help them to leave if the wished. Such an organization group should equally fully support those who want to continue working and not be hijacked by some feminist or religious group.

Clubs should have mandatory seminars / educational sessions to show these girls what is available for them. Funding should be through a levy on girls income. Maybe girls income should be payed through club for each session so that it could be better controlled and even proper tax be paid on it to reduce amount going to pimps. Probably cost would be passed on to us punters but would be worthwhile if some girls could be saved from a miserable existence. Just a few thoughts.

Banana Boi

12-21-13, 05:07

Hessen Bub

12-21-13, 10:05

Talk to the girl first. Don't call the police if she doesn't agree.

HB

PussyLiccker

12-21-13, 14:15

2. I plan to base in DUS or Munchengladbach, other than GT (which I visit only once on my very first FKK experience, enjoyed but hate the sausage factory) which would also be good to visit, line up wise? I assume ACA, LR or Samya?2. ACA is the other big one along side GT, but of mostly Romanian variety. Samya, another Romanian dominated club, is worth a visit.

If you like budget clubs, I would recommend Mondial as it's 30 euros to enter and 30 euros a pop under 20min. The pricing will not work too well with those that take a long time in the room. Avoid Mondial after 10 if you are not too keen on Turkish or Romanian hit music. The music is ear bleeding loud. I don't' like the music, but it doesn't bother me so I show up late at night and use the ear plugs. It's close to Samya.

I'm not too keen on DV or LR, although I haven't been to LR lately. BB and I would I agree that PHG hasn't been the best club lately. I personally like PHG and still go there because of the friendly staff and the girl's attitude there.

UltraHappy

12-21-13, 14:48

Canada's Supreme court made a landmark ruling today basically legalizing prostitution in a lopsided 9-0 vote. The Canadian government has 1 year to appeal this. If it sticks Americans may not have to travel as far to go to FKK's in the near future.

Don't fret. Canada has about the largest Romanian population outside of Romania and Germany. LOLJust to be clear, this ruling does not mean that the Federal legislature or the provinces can't regulate prostitution. The ruling simply means that the law as currently written was overly broad and therefore, on that basis, struck down. The lawmakers can still regulate prostitution in any number of ways, just not in the overly broad fashion as the current law does. They have a year to fix the law and can even ask for further extensions from the court.

This article provides a bit more background and briefly discusses some of the options available to Canadian legislators:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/supreme-court-prostitution-decision-5-questions-1.2471934

It would be worthy to note here also that the price per hour in Montreal averages around $200 / hr, a bit higher than Germany FKK. Unfortunately, Canada does not have free movement of people from many lesser developed countries like Germany. Thus, the price is unlikely to move down.

I would love to see FKK-type places open up in Montreal. I just don't have high hopes for this as I expect the lawmakers to put a more narrowly-taillored law in place that prevents those before the 1 year deadline expires.

That would be great if FKKs opened up in Montreal though as I love being inside those little Quebecois tutes. I would go there more often but the whole outcall thing is really inconvenient compared to just walking into an FKK and having your pick-and-choose.

Banana Boi

12-21-13, 18:04

Asking those who have been to both BER and Wien. I have a Fri and Sat night and am trying to decide whether to go to Artemis in Berlin or Goldentime / Fun Palast in Wien. The only factor is quality girls (ie. Good looks and no sharkiness). Good girl:guy ratio matters too. Price is not a factor.

Are there any other good clubs in Berlin or Vienna?

Hessen Bub

12-21-13, 18:51

No other decent clubs in Vienna or Berlin. Girls in Vienna tend to perform on lower service levels if I look at the reports on German boards, some of them will only do CBJ and will not kiss.

More natural girls to be found in Vienna, Artemis does have more silly cones.

HB

PS: Sorry to answer although I've neber been to Vienna clubs.

Banana Boi

12-21-13, 19:11

PS: Sorry to answer although I've neber been to Vienna clubs.You know I respect your opinion a lot. Thanks for the response.

My other option is to do 1 night in BER and the other in Wien so I can see both clubs.

PussyLiccker

12-21-13, 19:27

Members of this forum, namely Howie and Simex has been praising GT in Vienna. It sounded like the line-up was better than GT, Germany lately. I don't know what constitutes good service for those two members, and possibly optics are of most highest priority for them. It peaked my interest to check out Vienna as they were praising the line-up. I would like to know about the service level though, not just the looks.

Yeah, read the reports in the Austrian section.

Howie's recent impressions of GT Vienna:

No kidding. The lineup last night was the best one yet this past week from my visits amongst GT (Bruggen) , Artemis and GT Vienna.

Actually scratch that, let me restate. Best lineup this year amongst my club visits in Austria, Germany and Switzerland. Also met up with a new favorite there which was a welcome surprise as all my other favorites were absent this month in December. She is absolutely gorgeous.

Quick summary. 80+ ladies in attendance. Fuglies in the single figures. Stunners of 9 or more in the dozens. There were so many gazelles, I thought I was in Africa. If Syzygies was there, he would need a book to compile a 'to do' list. Forget about using a sheet of paper. More than half the line up were 8 or more. It was like the babes from their promotional video had turned up for the night. Thank god, I was there to experience it all.

Had four sessions that evening with three hotties. More than my batting average of two or less per club visit. Made out with Ramona (8.5) , Agnes (9.0) and a new favorite (10.0) twice. When I first saw her, I thought she had just walked out from a Victoria Secret's photo shoot.

I'm off to Croatia this weekend for some R&R but will be back in Vienna next week for the FunPalast Christmas party. I hope that one will be as good.

Howie

StarletVoyager

12-22-13, 04:57

to all members and their gazelles.

BadinSweet

12-24-13, 01:26

2. ACA is the other big one along side GT, but of mostly Romanian variety. Samya, another Romanian dominated club, is worth a visit.

If you like budget clubs, I would recommend Mondial as it's 30 euros to enter and 30 euros a pop under 20min. The pricing will not work too well with those that take a long time in the room. Avoid Mondial after 10 if you are not too keen on Turkish or Romanian hit music. The music is ear bleeding loud. I don't' like the music, but it doesn't bother me so I show up late at night and use the ear plugs. It's close to Samya.

I'm not too keen on DV or LR, although I haven't been to LR lately. BB and I would I agree that PHG hasn't been the best club lately. I personally like PHG and still go there because of the friendly staff and the girl's attitude there.Thank you so much for the info PussyLiccker! I have no problem with Romanian and will definitely be checking out ACA. I rarely do hour long session so Mondial is interesting. Since I will probably be in the NRW from Sun to Tue or Wed, I will probably stick it to big clubs for a better line up.

Dortmund does have the only home game in February on the 15th. They are playing Frankfurt, so there might be a chance for a ticket.

HBYeah, I was contemplating of being in NRW or in FRA for the weekend. Thanks HB!

StarletVoyager

12-28-13, 06:39

Having recently completed a small tour of berlin and frankfurt, this has given me the idea to do a larger trip this may. In fact it will be my 14th fkk trip since 2008/9 and I want to make it the largest yet. My timespan is around 2 weeks. Munich and stuttgart do not appeal to me due to their limitations and having been to fkk globe zurich in 2010 it is just too damn expensive so that is out too. That then leaves the main hotspots of berlin, nrw, frankfurt and goldentime vienna. By a process of elimination and taking into account I will be using public transportation nrw is out and also due to lack of nudity. Berlin I have just done. The one major location I have not yet done is gt vienna. This is reachable to frankfurt by a pleasant 6 and a half hour train ride from vienna to frankfurt leaving mid afternoon arriving in the evening. So after some consideration taking into account I am tied up till may; this is the best i have been able to come up with. Fly into vienna-with 6 nights vienna for goldentime. Train back to frankfurt one way. 1 week in variety fkk's frankfurt. Fly home one way from frankfurt. The total trip would be 12-13 nights with 7-8 days each for 12 hour club visits and a total of around 17-18 hours in room / encounters with the babes due to budgetary limits.

This I have calculated with conservative spending money,cheap flights and staying in ibis hotels to be around a total of 4300 euros. My only problem with this is that it is not as relaxing as I would like it to be with travel between cities. However just staying solely in frankfurt or vienna would be boring. Now given all the above data can any of you who are far more experienced in these trips please assist me to better or even change this plan if there is a better way I have missed. I have considered renting a flat in frankfurt for 2 weeks and splurging out on clubs but I feel I would be too bored static in frankfurt or berlin for that matter with only artemis. Many thanks to all and happy new year. Based on the feedback here I will be making bookings in the new year well in advance to get the best deals early. Mega reports on return! i also hope this helps newcomers to the fkk scene to plan their journeys too.

Banana Boi

12-28-13, 08:47

since budget is important to you i am not understanding why you would cross nrw off your list. the odd taxi fare you may need to take will be offset by the cheaper entry fees (mondial 30€, aca 30€ before 1 pm and after 9 pm, dv 35€ before 2 pm, samya 50€, etc.). compare this with vienna entries (gt 90€, fun palast and fresh sc 80€). in addition to that session fees are cheaper (mondial 30€, aca 40€, samya and others 50+25€). trains may not be the most convenient way to get around nrw but keppana has proven it is very doable with minimal taxi fares. i'm sure kepp will be happy to help you in that regard. another option would be to time your trip with another isger who will have a car and you can split the cost.

i'm not suggesting gt in vienna is a bad option since i'm planning on going there as well but i can't see how it's going to be a cheaper option. a train from fra to col / duss is 19€ if you book in advance. this will be cheaper and much shorter than a train from vienna to fra. vienna has 2 or 3 clubs, nrw has a ton.

if you're travelling in may the weather should be nice so about half the girls in nrw clubs are topless. if you're interested in a girl and want to see her naked i'm sure she won't be opposed to give you a peek if you're interested in having a session with her.

can i ask you why you're not interested in rushing back to artemis? were the girls any better than the fra clubs? just curious since we're both after similar 'viking' girls.