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Pahllus Maximus
08-17-22, 22:09
That and exercise, staying off tobacco, booze and crap food (85% of American supermarkets). Daily BJ works for me.
I would think the strains are worldwide where it is allowed to be grown. I would think Germany has it good being next to the Netherlands. I find it interesting how Thailand is making it legal and the approach to legalizing it there. That seems to be a few steps above the USA.No, not really, but in NRW you can take a train to Venlo and there is coffeeshop there! Thailand did great turn around when it comes to weed, it must be that new king LOL!
I do not smoke anymore though, but I would daily at night time only if I live in legalized nation! I do think it is a great herb, not drug, alcohol is much worst drug than weed!
What I wrote is the basic power play reality, not a dissertation or the many tax distortions, deliberately broken price signals and the sheer complexity to disguise the reality and the money trail.
Only fools play with stocks alone, and even more foolish without currency and other hedges that any half baked professional uses. Currencies, swaps, futures, unlisted entities and derivatives all come into play as does shorting, betting on black swans and most of all, PATIENCE. The game is 10 year compound return curves, or at least it is for the serious money. Virtually all of the retail "investment" space is as nutritious as a drive through McDonalds. Same concept: lack of deferred gratification by users, ignorance of what they are buying and too lazy to shop around and compare. Entire industries depend on the mass trend of suckers and people acting against economic self interest. Religion is another tool to con the population and vast oceans of bullshit everywhere. The left and right spot utter crap, too emotionally invested in culture wars and tribalism past its use by date.
One of the reasons I am on this board is that conventional, Hollywood fairy tale romance is a terrible trade. Divorce is even worse. If it flies, floats or fucks, rent, don't buy. Banging beautiful young women at their prime, before they get old, fat, ugly, bitter and / or cynical (this applies to men by the way) is a far better payoff.If it flies, floats or fucks, rent, don't buy. Banging beautiful young women at their prime, before they get old, fat, ugly, bitter and / or cynical (this applies to men by the way) is a far better payoff.
Very well said, somehow women get worst as they get older inside out! Fucked up hormones it must be!
But humanity is smart, so prostitution is getting better and better in quality than it has ever been!
Pahllus Maximus
08-17-22, 22:25
Words changed suitable to the hobby and aimed at the typical American cock carousel female:
You don't own me.
I'm not just one of your many boys.
You don't own me.
Don't say I can't go with other girls.
And don't tell me what to do.
Don't tell me what to say.
And please, when I go out with you.
Don't stop me eying other girls 'cause
You don't own me.
Don't try to change me in any way.
You don't own me.
Don't tie me down 'cause I'd never stay.
I don't tell you what to say.
I don't tell you what to do.
So just let me be myself.
That's all I ask of you.
I'm a man, and I love to be one.
I'm free, and I love to be free.
To live my life the way I want.
To say and do whatever I please.
Long live sex drive, life energy and force and beautiful young women for us !
Words changed suitable to the hobby and aimed at the typical American cock carousel female:
You don't own me.
I'm not just one of your many boys.
You don't own me.
Don't say I can't go with other girls.
And don't tell me what to do.
Don't tell me what to say.
And please, when I go out with you.
Don't stop me eying other girls 'cause
You don't own me.
Don't try to change me in any way.
You don't own me.
Don't tie me down 'cause I'd never stay.
I don't tell you what to say.
I don't tell you what to do.
So just let me be myself.
That's all I ask of you.
I'm a man, and I love to be one.
I'm free, and I love to be free.
To live my life the way I want.
To say and do whatever I please.
Long live sex drive, life energy and force and beautiful young women for us !May for be with mongers LOL!
Nothing about America can be described as efficient, every aspect of healthcare included. However, our inefficient shotgun approach has led to the greatest advancements despite its inefficiencies. We end up paying for those losses and the world piggybacks off of those losses. Our problem is not merely bad healthcare options or lack availability, it is a problem of healthcare distribution and accessibility. And obviously also lifestyle choices.Why do you think American diet got as bad as you claim it is?
For instance, Germany has horrible food traditionally, it is mostly meat based and a lot are process meats such as sausages and ham accompanied with mashed potato kinda thing with beer always beer, so that is also very poor choice of food, but somehow they are not as, actually German older people are mostly fat too LOL! Just not balloon level like in USA!
Either way, one should control diet after age 30 or max 35 !
One rumor is that most of the male pornstars in the US often get started doing gay porn first. Hah, not worth it!
When I was in college, there was a website called CollegeFuckFest. They started with recruiting normal college girls and guys and film them fucking at college parties with 50 people watching and partying. Eventually they would bring up and coming pornstars and just recruit the guys. One episode was filmed at my apartment and my roommate ended up fucking Tori Black back before she got famous. College, fun times.Yeah, some get lucky, but at least here many porn actors are tested first to see if you are in it for long haul and they earn quite well if you make it to be the famous one making about 400 USD per shoot and usually they do 2 or 3 shoots so if you push it, you make about 800 to 1200 usd per day and work mostly everyday! Somehow there are very limited number of male porn actors so the demand is high, but low supply!
Porn industry seems fun, but it is not easy as it looks apparently! Well, I live better life sexually than porn actors anyways, the difference is I get to choose the only creme de la creme LOL!
Smoked herb from all over the world and despite having a soft spot for Amsterdam, you'll find nothing as potent as what you find in Colorado. The Dutch have an affinity for natural and old school lower THC herb which some may say holds them back. Colorado staying true to American go-big-or-go-home capitalism has no aversion to extreme engineering and in recent years has elevated the global industry above any other region.I don't claim to be an expert on it but here is a mind experiment. If you told me the strain you were smoking in Colorado I could go on a different type of forum to determine whether I could possibly obtain that strain. I could theoretically grow and harvest that strain to a higher THC level than a Colorado corporation. I hear people say dispensary weed is horrible. I imagine you were smoking dispensary weed. That would be a logical assumption. The stuff in a dispensary would not be a hard to obtain strain. I think maybe you can understand partly why I think your post is dumb. I don't mind anyone correcting my logic. It might be better in Colorado because it has a striving industry. I would buy that.
I don't claim to be an expert on it but here is a mind experiment. If you told me the strain you were smoking in Colorado I could go on a different type of forum to determine whether I could possibly obtain that strain. I could theoretically grow and harvest that strain to a higher THC level than a Colorado corporation. I hear people say dispensary weed is horrible. I imagine you were smoking dispensary weed. That would be a logical assumption. The stuff in a dispensary would not be a hard to obtain strain. I think maybe you can understand partly why I think your post is dumb. I don't mind anyone correcting my logic. It might be better in Colorado because it has a striving industry. I would buy that.There are vaporizer THC that is out of mind I heard, so I would not smoke it if I am in USA, I would vape THC LOL!
Escape Artist
08-18-22, 01:27
I don't claim to be an expert on it but here is a mind experiment. If you told me the strain you were smoking in Colorado I could go on a different type of forum to determine whether I could possibly obtain that strain. I could theoretically grow and harvest that strain to a higher THC level than a Colorado corporation. I hear people say dispensary weed is horrible. I imagine you were smoking dispensary weed. That would be a logical assumption. The stuff in a dispensary would not be a hard to obtain strain. I think maybe you can understand partly why I think your post is dumb. I don't mind anyone correcting my logic. It might be better in Colorado because it has a striving industry. I would buy that.Well there is theory and what you hear and then there is real world experience. Can any strain grown in one place find its way to any other areas of the world in a global economy? Yes, most definitely. Can a hot Russian hooker find her way to Cambodia? Probably. Is there a hot Russian hooker scene in Cambodia? No so much.
Escape Artist
08-18-22, 02:03
It might be better in Colorado because it has a striving industry. I would buy that.That is literally the crux of my first post. But perhaps the term "American go-big-or-go-home capitalism" somehow did not translate to "thriving industry. " Not sure how, but apparently that was not communicated to your end.
Smoked herb from all over the world and despite having a soft spot for Amsterdam, you'll find nothing as potent as what you find in Colorado. The Dutch have an affinity for natural and old school lower THC herb which some may say holds them back. Colorado staying true to American go-big-or-go-home capitalism has no aversion to extreme engineering and in recent years has elevated the global industry above any other region.And others might say that beyond a certain level THC percentages aren't the be-all end-all.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisroberts/2020/06/16/science-reveals-the-cannabis-industrys-greatest-lie-youre-buying-weed-wrong-and-so-is-everyone-else/?sh=5cfb728c2ee3
Escape Artist
08-18-22, 04:00
And others might say that beyond a certain level THC percentages aren't the be-all end-all.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisroberts/2020/06/16/science-reveals-the-cannabis-industrys-greatest-lie-youre-buying-weed-wrong-and-so-is-everyone-else/?sh=5cfb728c2ee3You're right. But it definitely one pretty significant factor. So there's that.
Well there is theory and what you hear and then there is real world experience. Can any strain grown in one place find its way to any other areas of the world in a global economy? Yes, most definitely. Can a hot Russian hooker find her way to Cambodia? Probably. Is there a hot Russian hooker scene in Cambodia? No so much.It is a little more than theory. There are seed banks that ship internationally with seemingly impunity. There are individuals shipping seeds also. I also want to add that there is an element of marijuanna being able to be grown anywhere. The plants are far removed from their original birth places. The genes that create the autoflower varieties come from Russia.
That is literally the crux of my first post. But perhaps the term "American go-big-or-go-home capitalism" somehow did not translate to "thriving industry. " Not sure how, but apparently that was not communicated to your end.Your original post says extreme engineering along side American go-big-or-go-home capitalism. Extreme engineering with marijuana appears to be a slow process rather than go-big-or-go-home which implies something else. It's fine though I'm just sharing some thoughts. I certainly don't have an ego investment in this topic.
Escape Artist
08-18-22, 05:30
You original post says extreme engineering along side American go-big-or-go-home capitalism. Extreme engineering with marijuana appears to be a slow process rather than go-big-or-go-home which implies something else. It's fine though I'm just sharing some thoughts. I certainly don't have an ego investment in this topic.Slow process? 8 week plant life cycles? No man. You're reaching big time to win an argument.
Pahllus Maximus
08-18-22, 05:59
Whilst dope may be OK for artsy-fartsy stuff and sloppy attribution metrics, in my experience it makes people daft, so let's not rationalize it as some passport to another dimension of IQ or creativity. The greats of the last few centuries Beethoven, Da Vinci, Dalton, Einstein and Feynmann (random sampling) did not start the day with THC. Being exceptional means exceptional devotion, drive and not fucking around with brain retarding drugs. The bullsiht and mystique of the 1960's is just that. The Paul Barans, Andy Grove, Lockheed Martin's Johnson Kelly and Warren Buffet did not futz about. Neither did Soros. I believe with daily BJs by beautiful young women they could have scaled new heights. Stay of the garbage, reject bad nutrition, bad doctors and the lies of the media. Everything about a good nights sleep, exercise, nutrition and working hard and diligently to pursue dreams is true. The bit I'd change is lots of breath taking beautiful young women that represent the vitality of life force and joy of having sex with them for inspiration and motivation.
Pahllus Maximus
08-18-22, 06:06
Is rubbish. The Brits were highly advanced technologically and founding many stable countries centuries later including the USA. Indian math was about 1,000 years ahead of the west. America imported its rocket team from Germany just as it did with multiple Nobel prize winners and Einsten and a fair few movie stars. I'd call it more cunning and greed than some rugged "can-do" mythology. Sending ships in the 1600's to uncharted waters was the equivalent to a rocket to stars in terms of risk and practical issues like scurvy and clean water. Good luck on space colonization. One hard problem: radiation meets DNA. Ooops.
Pahllus Maximus
08-18-22, 06:09
Legalizing our hobby made Germany a tourism destination and brought untold sexual pleasure to men at a competitive price with safe venues without shame. Who said the State has no role in a market economy? Contrast that with USA and its puritanical morality, police stings trashing liberty, etc. So much for "can do" and exceptionalism. And about the highest incarceration rate per capita. Dysfunctional comes to mind, but the petro dollar cures many sins you see.
Whilst dope may be OK for artsy-fartsy stuff and sloppy attribution metrics, in my experience it makes people daft, so let's not rationalize it as some passport to another dimension of IQ or creativity. The greats of the last few centenaries, Beethoven, the Vinci, Dalton, Einstein etc (random sampling) did not start the day with THC. Being exceptional means exceptional devotion, drive and not fucking around with brain retarding drugs. The bullsiht and mystique of the 1960's is just that. The Paul Barans, Andy Grove, Lockheed Martin's Johnson Kelly and Feynmann did not futz about. Neither did Soros. I believe with daily BJs by beautiful young women they could have scaled new heights. Stay of the garbage, reject bad nutrition, bad doctors and the lies of the media. Everything about a good nights sleep, exercise, nutrition and working hard and diligently to pursue dreams is true. The bit I'd change is lots of breath taking beautiful young women that represent the vitality of life force and joy of having sex with them.Back in my teen years like bit more than two decades ago now LOL I used to smoke good dope in Zurich as it was legal for few years back then, so I used to get real top of the range staff at the coffee shop like pharmacy there where they sell weed in showcases all legally LOL! I roll it, then smoke it looking at beautiful swiss nature, then off to escort or brothels (No globe back then), oh holly molly LOL! Those sexual experiences high out of mind with full sensation was to this day among the best sexual stimulation experiences I had in my life LOL!
I do that without weed now, but once it is legalize again, I will do the same! I used to buy weed from African herbal business men in the Parks in Berlin or took train to Venlo to buy weed and have amazing sex in FKK, but now I do it without weed and it is fine by me!
Sex on drug is something monger should experience as it does raise sensation to maximum level! It is science backed! Just some are legal and some are not, also depending on which nation you do it as well! Funny how it works!
Legalizing LSD and MDMA for medical use was hot topic during Davos economic forum, so legalizing many harmless drugs can be seen in let say 20 years time! I mean look at Thailand where it was famous for harsh punishment for weed is now moving to legalization of weed! So never say never!
Meanwhile, my biggest drug and drive is fucking beautiful girls around the world! Nothing ever will beat that! Never!
Legalizing our hobby made Germany a tourism destination and brought untold sexual pleasure to men at a competitive price with safe venues without shame. Who said the State has no role in a market economy? Contrast that with USA and its puritanical morality, police stings trashing liberty, etc. So much for "can do" and exceptionalism. And about the highest incarceration rate per capita. Dysfunctional comes to mind, but the petro dollar cures many sins you see.Somehow, we mongers are minority though, most guys just jerk off front of screen and occasionally they go for somehow more expensive, but very ugly old prostitute on the street or their shitty dirty local brothels! Most guys have blocked mind and they do not even do any deep research about it to embetter their sex life!
Puerto Ricans are American citizens. They live in a territory of the USA and can go back and forth and live in any part of the USA but they can only vote in federal elections if they live in the 50 states or District of Columbia.
Also why did they forbid you to drive since one can drive with a French drivers license in the USA and in fact many people drive without a license in sanctuary cities which Miami has now become.Puerto Rican women were prettier than mostly fatties, white and black, seen in Miami, Keys and Bahamas. As I was told Puerto Ricans were in downtown, but 2 police cars stopped me on first red light entering downtown, telling: Go away, you are in danger here, when many guys were looking. It was in 1996. I also remember a car full of weapons in back. No problem in Vegas downtown on 2008, nor in San Francisco, nor Phoenix. No problem in Salt Lake of course. No problem in Moscow nor Saint Petersburg I visited also at night.
Legalizing our hobby made Germany a tourism destination and brought untold sexual pleasure to men at a competitive price with safe venues without shame. Who said the State has no role in a market economy? Contrast that with USA and its puritanical morality, police stings trashing liberty, etc. So much for "can do" and exceptionalism. And about the highest incarceration rate per capita. Dysfunctional comes to mind, but the petro dollar cures many sins you see.It sound like Brazil and also German speaking part of Europe is best for brothel in the whole world! Why German speaking part tend to have liberal stance on brothel is yet mystery to me, but somehow they are liberal than they usually are when it comes to prostitution as German for example is bunch of very serious people, but highly liberal on certain area like sex than other nations!
Legalizing our hobby made Germany a tourism destination and brought untold sexual pleasure to men at a competitive price with safe venues without shame. Who said the State has no role in a market economy? Contrast that with USA and its puritanical morality, police stings trashing liberty, etc. So much for "can do" and exceptionalism. And about the highest incarceration rate per capita. Dysfunctional comes to mind, but the petro dollar cures many sins you see.Here we go with the America bashing again. No, we're not perfect, and neither is Germany. Even if it does have FKKs! Let us not forget Germany's full history shall we? And how it arrived at its current relative liberalism (see there folks "liberal" isn't always a bad word). Recall that place called Nazi Germany, one of the greatest threats to mankind and freedom the world has ever known, and that America helped to defeat. Recall one of the greatest atrocities perpetrated by any nation known as the Holocaust that Germany is guilty of, and that America helped to end. It took that evil regime being literally reduced to rubble, then rebuilt under the auspices of the American-led Marshall Plan in order for that nation to move in a different, more enlightened direction while building one of the world's top economies (number 3 for a long time). And eventually bringing us the FKK clubs yes! So, let us remember that after America helped to beat Germany down, she then helped to build the Fatherland up again into something better (that was exceptional in and of itself). We're talking a place that eventually brought us those wonderful FKKs we love so much.
American perfection hell no! No nation has ever achieved that, and no nation ever will.
I see a lot of guys posting on all the FKK club pages about the rates going up to 100/30. Can you guys that are bitching about this get a reality check? The standard rate across most clubs was 50/30 for many years so it had to go up some time, what did you expect, 50 plus inflation so maybe 65/30? How many of you guys bitching have not had an annual pay rise or increase outside of that? Exactly. Yes, Siri, I know some clubs are 60/30 still or whatever, I am just generalizing on the rate.Sure prices held steady for 20 years and during that time quality has gone downhill, I'd be happy to pay €75 today if the quality remained but it has not! I'm not going to repeat what has already been posted by others as to the reasons why.
Don't see many people complaining about a 60 to 65 per 30 rate. 100 per 30 however is double the previous rate. That's a ridiculous price hike and seems like a worthy gripe.I agree. It is a hefty rise, but as has been commented since it was 50/30 for 20 or so years. In most western European countries you'd find it practically impossible to find brothels with as many girls of similar quality for 100/30. It has been commented that the quality is not what it once was, that's a subjective matter and very much a personal opinion. But there's no disputing that 100/30 is still good value if the service is acceptable.
Sure prices held steady for 20 years and during that time quality has gone downhill, I'd be happy to pay 75 today if the quality remained but it has not! I'm not going to repeat what has already been posted by others as to the reasons why.Yes, Russians disappeared, not allowed to work in Germany since 2018. Now 90% Romanians and few Germans or Hungarians, I don't run for Bulgarians, but can still find high quality for around 50/30 if you are able to find out of clubs which are made falling by tourists. For sure, not in RTC with bad teeth. For me, on this year, for freshness, Germany is higher level than Switzerland even I found a wow virgin look Swiss and a real full natural Romanian beauty. Germany is better for me on this year than on 2013, paying 80/60 or 200/120.
I see a lot of guys posting on all the FKK club pages about the rates going up to 100/30. Can you guys that are bitching about this get a reality check? The standard rate across most clubs was 50/30 for many years so it had to go up some time, what did you expect, 50 plus inflation so maybe 65/30? How many of you guys bitching have not had an annual pay rise or increase outside of that? Exactly. Yes, Siri, I know some clubs are 60/30 still or whatever, I am just generalizing on the rate.Anybody here ever get a 100% pay raise for doing the same job at the same place? I didn't think so! A price of 100/30 is bullshit, and doesn't have a damn thing to do with inflation! No, it has everything to do with greedy tutes taking advantage of the condom law. That's what it has to do with. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. How many jobs do we know of where one can earn 50 euros for a half hour of work? These tutes were already being paid top money. Apparently some believe that prostitutes, like colleges and colleges universities, ought to get away with jacking their prices up far above anything that looks like the rate of inflation. Like with the higher education industry, at least in the United States anyway, they know that pussy is something that's got to be had. Got to get an education to get ahead and got to get some pussy to get laid!
The demand is there. And so they (the prostitutes) get away with charging outrageous sums of money without offering anything more, and sometimes even less. There's always a sucker who will pay it too, and even stand and argue on the side of the tutes. When I too get a 100% raise on the half hour to match theirs then we got a deal! Until then, look for ways to bargain for lower, more reasonable fees. Or just abstain and take your business elsewhere. Reading all of the recent reports, the action in Germany is sounding pretty pathetic right now. Given the proximity to the end of the pandemic crisis (I hope), I'm not surprised. I said from the start that we probably needed another year for the clubs to recover. It will be interesting to see how it goes for Mr. Ho during his upcoming trip. Mr. Ho please advise soonest.
...... Contrast that with USA and its puritanical morality....The USA in reality cannot be described as having puritanical morality. That is the image it wants to project. On the contrary the US is the most immoral country on earth. Unfortunately, there is a very high rate of sexual deviance and perversions especially among those who preach moral virtue.
The USA in reality cannot be described as having puritanical morality. That is the image it wants to project. On the contrary the US is the most immoral country on earth. Unfortunately, there is a very high rate of sexual deviance and perversions especially among those who preach moral virtue.Tell it like it is! That used to be a "saying" LOL!
Back in my teen years like bit more than two decades ago now LOL I used to smoke good dope in Zurich as it was legal for few years back then, so I used to get real top of the range staff at the coffee shop like pharmacy there where they sell weed in showcases all legally LOL! I roll it, then smoke it looking at beautiful swiss nature, then off to escort or brothels (No globe back then), oh holly molly LOL! Those sexual experiences high out of mind with full sensation was to this day among the best sexual stimulation experiences I had in my life LOL!
I do that without weed now, but once it is legalize again, I will do the same! I used to buy weed from African herbal business men in the Parks in Berlin or took train to Venlo to buy weed and have amazing sex in FKK, but now I do it without weed and it is fine by me!
Sex on drug is something monger should experience as it does raise sensation to maximum level! It is science backed! Just some are legal and some are not, also depending on which nation you do it as well! Funny how it works!
Legalizing LSD and MDMA for medical use was hot topic during Davos economic forum, so legalizing many harmless drugs can be seen in let say 20 years time! I mean look at Thailand where it was famous for harsh punishment for weed is now moving to legalization of weed! So never say never!
Meanwhile, my biggest drug and drive is fucking beautiful girls around the world! Nothing ever will beat that! Never!Just a random thought but what you all perceive as high quality weed is probably due to advances in lighting technology or maybe cheap knock offs of lighting technology. So maybe you can give the credit to China for the cheap knock offs. I'm not sure who gets credit for the original technologies. It could be Japan.
Just a random thought but what you all perceive as high quality weed is probably due to advances in lighting technology or maybe cheap knock offs of lighting technology. So maybe you can give the credit to China for the cheap knock offs. I'm not sure who gets credit for the original technologies. It could be Japan.Yes, I prefer indoor weed by fat as well! China can produce cheap, but as for now, they lack quality and they cannot produce quality product like Japan can do, but we are having problem China copying all our products illegally and there is no functioning law in China, so there is not much result in suing!
We are responsible for many inventions, but for indoor lighting I do not know as it is special field that I do not inform myself about, but yeah, it is possible it is us as we focus more on top end quality technology that only we can make as that is our strength and survival strategy for 21st century as it is getting more and more competitive! When I think about LED lighting, a lot of technologies are us and Panasonic is the high end brand for LED lighting!
I should inform myself more about indoor farming because we are what we eat right? But we overlook its blessing the farming industry providing us I think, but one thing for sure is that we are all grateful for other important supply of sex with young stunner beauties provided by FKK industry which is bit like indoor farming of stunner young girls to give us organic sex and in some FKK, we got indoor and outdoor options for sex just like weed LOL!
I must add, I never tried Vaporizer weed yet! I would love to one fine day, but weed is tolerated in most nations in EU and not legalized, so hard to find Vape type weed from my West African business associates in the parks in Germany etc LOL!
There is a difference between an African American neighborhood and a gang neighborhood. It might be hard to destinquish for everybody. It would be quite dumb to go a gang for a prostitutes unless they were operating outside their turf hiding it in a hotel. I have no idea why you have so much experience with gangs. I always thought gangs were rather silly. It is usually teenage kids throwing hand signs wearing their pants below their butt cracks. I don't know why someone would think they want to do business with 15 year olds pimping out a 40 year old drug addict that owes them money. She is going to give you the worse service of your life. There are not zones you go to for prostitutes in the USA that are in anyway acceptable. Gangs are really kinda ridiculous. You can't have a discussion with them much less do business with them.I know all about gangs due to living in gang areas which is most of the USA is infested with gangs due to the housing crisis and people unable to afford a safe place to live.
On the contrary most gangs are pimping out younger women and the 40 year old women would not even be sold drugs unless they pay first. Thus gangs can be a good source of providers if the gang is operated in a businesslike manner and recuits new young girls.
Anybody here ever get a 100% pay raise for doing the same job at the same place? I didn't think so! A price of 100/30 is bullshit, and doesn't have a damn thing to do with inflation! No, it has everything to do with greedy tutes taking advantage of the condom law. That's what it has to do with. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. How many jobs do we know of where one can earn 50 euros for a half hour of work? These tutes were already being paid top money. Apparently some believe that prostitutes, like colleges and colleges universities, ought to get away with jacking their prices up far above anything that looks like the rate of inflation. Like with the higher education industry, at least in the United States anyway, they know that pussy is something that's got to be had. Got to get an education to get ahead and got to get some pussy to get laid!
The demand is there. And so they (the prostitutes) get away with charging outrageous sums of money without offering anything more, and sometimes even less. There's always a sucker who will pay it too, and even stand and argue on the side of the tutes. When I too get a 100% raise on the half hour to match theirs then we got a deal! Until then, look for ways to bargain for lower, more reasonable fees. Or just abstain and take your business elsewhere. Reading all of the recent reports, the action in Germany is sounding pretty pathetic right now. Given the proximity to the end of the pandemic crisis (I hope), I'm not surprised. I said from the start that we probably needed another year for the clubs to recover. It will be interesting to see how it goes for Mr. Ho during his upcoming trip. Mr. Ho please advise soonest.I agree for the reason for the price rise of the session!
As for the price justification, I am quite happy with the current rate as long as it stays that way and no more rise as 100 euro 30 min with the service being there can be justified, but more than that, it is getting ridiculous! If they raise prices more, I will switch to Escort in Germany which I presume will provide BBBJ considering higher pricing at escort?
I never had the occasion of girls trying to buy them drinks or trying to sell me crazy rates like 200 euro per hour etc that I read in forum before, girls in FKK has been reasonable and nice with my experience so far! Only 1 bad session that actually is ok and another one bad session that there was no session as that one was my fault for not looking at her face close enough under good light, so I cancelled as we walked into a room and offered to pay 50 euro which she took with Romanian curse LOL!
Escape Artist
08-19-22, 03:36
Anybody here ever get a 100% pay raise for doing the same job at the same place? I didn't think so! A price of 100/30 is bullshit, and doesn't have a damn thing to do with inflation! No, it has everything to do with greedy tutes taking advantage of the condom law. That's what it has to do with. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. How many jobs do we know of where one can earn 50 euros for a half hour of work? These tutes were already being paid top money. Apparently some believe that prostitutes, like colleges and colleges universities, ought to get away with jacking their prices up far above anything that looks like the rate of inflation. Like with the higher education industry, at least in the United States anyway, they know that pussy is something that's got to be had. Got to get an education to get ahead and got to get some pussy to get laid!
The demand is there. And so they (the prostitutes) get away with charging outrageous sums of money without offering anything more, and sometimes even less. There's always a sucker who will pay it too, and even stand and argue on the side of the tutes. When I too get a 100% raise on the half hour to match theirs then we got a deal! Until then, look for ways to bargain for lower, more reasonable fees. Or just abstain and take your business elsewhere. Reading all of the recent reports, the action in Germany is sounding pretty pathetic right now. Given the proximity to the end of the pandemic crisis (I hope), I'm not surprised. I said from the start that we probably needed another year for the clubs to recover. It will be interesting to see how it goes for Mr. Ho during his upcoming trip. Mr. Ho please advise soonest.Here here! At the end of the day, it was a 100% price hike. That's completely unacceptable.
When someone reasons with "well in Spain, 100 e is the going rate," well hell, that's Spain man. No one in Thailand was saying, "well in America, it's $300 dollars so we should charge $300". Applying that logic to Germany is equally ludicrous to me. If you want to justify Spain prices in Germany, just go to Spain. The food and weather is better there anyway. Why would you want to bring that to German paradise? Such arguments is just justifying getting ripped off in a local economy due to lack of self restraint.
I agree for the reason for the price rise of the session!
As for the price justification, I am quite happy with the current rate as long as it stays that way and no more rise as 100 euro 30 min with the service being there can be justified, but more than that, it is getting ridiculous! If they raise prices more, I will switch to Escort in Germany which I presume will provide BBBJ considering higher pricing at escort?
I never had the occasion of girls trying to buy them drinks or trying to sell me crazy rates like 200 euro per hour etc that I read in forum before, girls in FKK has been reasonable and nice with my experience so far! Only 1 bad session that actually is ok and another one bad session that there was no session as that one was my fault for not looking at her face close enough under good light, so I cancelled as we walked into a room and offered to pay 50 euro which she took with Romanian curse LOL!I meant 300 euro per hour not 200 euro as 200 euro sometimes they begin at 200 euro per 1 hour and I negotiate down to 150 euro LOL! I fell for 200 euro per hour session twice in 11 years, but hey, it was damn worth it LOL! But that is pushing my nerve though!
However, I would also add that, if we were to take those stunner out and try to fuck them, it would cost much more and need to invest so much time, efforts and affection with a lot of sucking up to do that I hate to do! So for me prices are justified as long as I am not too ripped off and again FKK girls has been really reasonable and honest with my experience and in my opinion! Some were extremely generous with their service even when I sometimes went for just 50 euro 30 min session, but that is fading nowadays, but it is still there sometimes! Lets see how post pandemic FKK and post russian invasion FKK will be like! I think quite promising because as I always wrote, the downside of this global events are where mongers will benefit at LOL!
Anybody here ever get a 100% pay raise for doing the same job at the same place? I didn't think so! A price of 100/30 is bullshit, and doesn't have a damn thing to do with inflation! No, it has everything to do with greedy tutes taking advantage of the condom law. That's what it has to do with. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. How many jobs do we know of where one can earn 50 euros for a half hour of work? These tutes were already being paid top money. Apparently some believe that prostitutes, like colleges and colleges universities, ought to get away with jacking their prices up far above anything that looks like the rate of inflation. Like with the higher education industry, at least in the United States anyway, they know that pussy is something that's got to be had. Got to get an education to get ahead and got to get some pussy to get laid!
The demand is there. And so they (the prostitutes) get away with charging outrageous sums of money without offering anything more, and sometimes even less. There's always a sucker who will pay it too, and even stand and argue on the side of the tutes. When I too get a 100% raise on the half hour to match theirs then we got a deal! Until then, look for ways to bargain for lower, more reasonable fees. Or just abstain and take your business elsewhere. Reading all of the recent reports, the action in Germany is sounding pretty pathetic right now. Given the proximity to the end of the pandemic crisis (I hope), I'm not surprised. I said from the start that we probably needed another year for the clubs to recover. It will be interesting to see how it goes for Mr. Ho during his upcoming trip. Mr. Ho please advise soonest.Yes, not many people do get a 100% pay rise. However, the 50/30 rate was in place for 20+ years. Not many people are paid the same as 20+ years ago. There's a lot of jobs paying 50 Eu an hour, it's not that high a pay rate. Like you say, if it's too much then don't pay it. Personally I never try and barter, it gives off bad vibes and invariably leads to poorer service because the girls think the guy is cheap.
Yes this is a technique of police in the USA to stop white people from entering Afro American neighborhoods (or possibly Puerto Ricans).2 police cars blocking me at downtown entrance from airport, telling me: They will kill You. Also seen in Miami, at a crossroads, so many police cars arriving and helicopter for guys running leaving a shop. Funny to see in US crossroads with no traffic light, in France, would be daily big crashes. Less funny to see so many weapons in a car back, when so many crazy like Trump in US, killing children in schools. When they killed all Indians, wolves, bears and couguars.
PaulInZurich
08-19-22, 11:22
I used to smoke good dope in Zurich as it was legal for few years back thenBasel starts a test program where a few hundred people are legally allowed to buy weed from some pharmacies. It's quite likely that in a few years weed is fully legal again in Switzerland. While drug possession and consumption are technically illegal in Switzerland, possession of small quantities for personal consumption is normally not prosecuted, people might get a fine but that's it.
Anybody here ever get a 100% pay raise for doing the same job at the same place? I didn't think so! A price of 100/30 is bullshit, and doesn't have a damn thing to do with inflation! No, it has everything to do with greedy tutes taking advantage of the condom law. That's what it has to do with. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. How many jobs do we know of where one can earn 50 euros for a half hour of work? These tutes were already being paid top money. Apparently some believe that prostitutes, like colleges and colleges universities, ought to get away with jacking their prices up far above anything that looks like the rate of inflation. Like with the higher education industry, at least in the United States anyway, they know that pussy is something that's got to be had. Got to get an education to get ahead and got to get some pussy to get laid!
The demand is there. And so they (the prostitutes) get away with charging outrageous sums of money without offering anything more, and sometimes even less. There's always a sucker who will pay it too, and even stand and argue on the side of the tutes. When I too get a 100% raise on the half hour to match theirs then we got a deal! Until then, look for ways to bargain for lower, more reasonable fees. Or just abstain and take your business elsewhere. Reading all of the recent reports, the action in Germany is sounding pretty pathetic right now. Given the proximity to the end of the pandemic crisis (I hope), I'm not surprised. I said from the start that we probably needed another year for the clubs to recover. It will be interesting to see how it goes for Mr. Ho during his upcoming trip. Mr. Ho please advise soonest.Some girls know they can ask what they want because Asians now back will pay whatever they ask. Was not same on last year without Asians, when had many 100/60 full GFE. I don t mind paying 150/60 when 30 mn are too short for my too intimate game, but for a top beauty and top GFE for my love sex. No girl like this on this year at Sharks when Katalea fell for freshness, Sofi. De asking 200/60 but not pretty enough for so expensive, even one of the prettiest at Sharks. No girl worthing 150/60 at Oase. Ukrainian Lana at Mainhattan could but I can t fuck her too small pussy, tried on 3 times on 3 different positions during our discovery but had to give up each time not to hurt her and she really appreciated my behavior. But I have good girls in NRW for 80/60 or 200/120 and one at Freubad for 180/60 . I just adapt, when cheap Gold have prettier girls than in Hessen now.
Yes, not many people do get a 100% pay rise. However, the 50/30 rate was in place for 20+ years. Not many people are paid the same as 20+ years ago. There's a lot of jobs paying 50 Eu an hour, it's not that high a pay rate. Like you say, if it's too much then don't pay it. Personally I never try and barter, it gives off bad vibes and invariably leads to poorer service because the girls think the guy is cheap.50 for 30 minutes = 100 for 1 hour. Girls who usually ask extras are most often not the prettiest nor best. Smart girls know better to make regulars returning weekly, rather than fucking for only one shot and guys will tell not to go, even I don t care about what guys tell. Telling a beauty is not good, can interest me, when I usually think I can get better.
There's a lot of jobs paying 50 Eu an hour, it's not that high a pay rate.First of all, we're not talking 50 euros an hour. We're talking 50 euros for half an hour! If you don't think that's a lot of money, especially for someone with no education or marketable skills which is the case for nearly all of these girls, then you're living on a different planet. Sure there are lots of high paying jobs, but not like that. And for the high paying jobs that do exist, these FKK girls are not viable candidates for those as what they mostly bring to the table is puss and ass. Oh, and a mouth! And that's it.
MongerMooze
08-19-22, 20:25
Thank you for all the great information that is available on this forum!
I hope it is ok if I pose a question or two here.
First, I assume some or many of you have wives and / or families. I unfortunately do not travel a lot with work (and my wife knows my co-workes so it would be a risky lie). What excuse do you use to travel by yourself?
Secondly, I have read a lot of reviews (that I really appreciate) and a thing stands out as weird to me: Licking pussy. Partly because so many (mongerers) seem so into it, but hey 'each to his own', but also because it seems standard that you have to pay extra for it. Is it never included? Do the girls not like having oral sex performed on them? What up?
Thirdly, along the same lines, most reviewers seem to find it really important with GFE, I have a wife I can get that experience at home. I just want to fuck good looking girls, I don't really care if they seem unattentive, bored or don't feel like kissing. I'm not against them enjoying the sex, but it is really secoundary to me enjoying it. Are there more like me out there?
Hope I can make an escape from the wife soon. Planing on going to Frankfurt and checking out Mainhattan and / or Sharks.
Smoke Light
08-20-22, 05:57
Thank you for all the great information that is available on this forum!
I hope it is ok if I pose a question or two here.
First, I assume some or many of you have wives and / or families. I unfortunately do not travel a lot with work (and my wife knows my co-workes so it would be a risky lie). What excuse do you use to travel by yourself?
Secondly, I have read a lot of reviews (that I really appreciate) and a thing stands out as weird to me: Licking pussy. Partly because so many (mongerers) seem so into it, but hey 'each to his own', but also because it seems standard that you have to pay extra for it. Is it never included? Do the girls not like having oral sex performed on them? What up?.What excuse do you use to travel by yourself?
Use some sort of professional development opportunity: a conference, or short-term (like a few days) educational course.
Second venue may be some sort of a hobby you have. Maybe you a railroad fan and you want to visit some railroad museums in industrial towns like Dortmund and Darmstadt (wink wink, there is one there indeed!) It would be great if you had such hobby in your childhood and suddenly you feel a strong urge to resurrect the experience, blah blah, you get the idea.
Thirdly, maybe you want to explore some sort of business opportunity, perhaps starting your own business. Maybe not now, maybe after you retire. However being a practical man that you are, you wish to start the preparation early, research a bit deeper (should I say analyze?) the matter and you have to visit Germany.
Fourthly you could have just discovered some German ancestors in your family tree and now you must visit and / or search for their graves. A slight variation may be that you want to learn and practice some German, but that would require some effort, like endless hours of practice, unless du sprichst wirklich schon gut Deutsch.
Important: once you make up your legend, stick to it to death. You have to believe in it yourself or else your wife will sense the deception.
And then the legend must be totally boring to your wife or something she would hate to do herself because you don't want her to follow you to Germany. This may actually be the most challenging aspect. Since you never know when you will be able to make your next trip, in your situation I recommend at least a 2-week getaway.
Another fruitful alternative is to send your wife away on vacation herself! Like Christmas or birthday gift, she gets a ticket to go somewhere nice and sunny with spa and massages and beautiful beaches. And you escape the house while she is away.
A possible modification of your escape is to pretend you casually go someplace near, like a neighboring state. You make not a big deal out of it in front of wife, like a rock climbing or a tennis boot camp. This will be more believable if you travel there by car. You would park in a safe paid parking lot for a few days, hop on a train or a bus to get to the airport and fly to Frankfurt. A serious disadvantage of this scheme is that it gives you a pretty narrow time window and also a couple of unauthorized by wife stamps in your passport after passing the EU border control.
Be prepared for the worst. Identify weaknesses in your plan and play out a defense scheme in your mind. Even if caught red handed, under no circumstances, without exceptions, never admit anything to your wife. Say it was a misunderstanding, a totally honest mistake, but never confess sex-related activities. Hope some of this helps.
When you dream about Miami without knowing there, if I returned to US, I would choose NYC. Can give you our huge difference of level. Same than for S vs RS, when RS5 or 6 are just big lies by Audi, with automatic tiptronic, such sporty, to respect for pollution, and engine to 8500 tours, I would like to see for how many kilometers full charge and limited to 250 and if you switch off and break so risky engine, then you will see for guaranty with Audi. When I will find my good V8 S5, the only S5 when V6 is not on same level, I will prepare engine as always and with French technology, when I drove more than 500000 kms after 50% more power preparation and wish to drive more with S5 flexifuel to be my last car as a elegant beauty when I refuse electric, how could I drive 3000 kms on week end to go to climb and hybrid is just to go to buy bread but not for autobahns.
Yes, not many people do get a 100% pay rise. However, the 50/30 rate was in place for 20+ years. Not many people are paid the same as 20+ years ago. There's a lot of jobs paying 50 Eu an hour, it's not that high a pay rate. Like you say, if it's too much then don't pay it. Personally I never try and barter, it gives off bad vibes and invariably leads to poorer service because the girls think the guy is cheap.Average wages in Germany increased by less than 20% over the period 2000-2020.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/416207/average-annual-wages-germany-y-on-y-in-euros/
Thank you for all the great information that is available on this forum!
I hope it is ok if I pose a question or two here.
First, I assume some or many of you have wives and / or families. I unfortunately do not travel a lot with work (and my wife knows my co-workes so it would be a risky lie). What excuse do you use to travel by yourself?
Secondly, I have read a lot of reviews (that I really appreciate) and a thing stands out as weird to me: Licking pussy. Partly because so many (mongerers) seem so into it, but hey 'each to his own', but also because it seems standard that you have to pay extra for it. Is it never included? Do the girls not like having oral sex performed on them? What up?
Thirdly, along the same lines, most reviewers seem to find it really important with GFE, I have a wife I can get that experience at home. I just want to fuck good looking girls, I don't really care if they seem unattentive, bored or don't feel like kissing. I'm not against them enjoying the sex, but it is really secoundary to me enjoying it. Are there more like me out there?
Hope I can make an escape from the wife soon. Planing on going to Frankfurt and checking out Mainhattan and / or Sharks.Just say you want to see some museum in Germany as you are interested in it and actually go to museum for 10 min to take photos!
DATY is free usually, but some try to take advantage of you, but blowjob without condom is recently charged by little more, usually about 20 euro more in some clubs, it used to be free till government changed law in summer 2017!
I like fucking top beauty with GFE, but if I have to choose one, I go for beauty than GFE as I make sure the session is GFE or at least very dirty LOL!
So the question to you now, why do you want to escape from your wife? What is it about your wife that bother you so much and if so, why did you get married in the first place? You once thought she is the love of your life no? Then what changed beside maybe she got too old for you to seduced or she cheated or what changed since you decided to exchange bows forever?
Yes, not many people do get a 100% pay rise. However, the 50/30 rate was in place for 20+ years. Not many people are paid the same as 20+ years ago. There's a lot of jobs paying 50 Eu an hour, it's not that high a pay rate. Like you say, if it's too much then don't pay it. Personally I never try and barter, it gives off bad vibes and invariably leads to poorer service because the girls think the guy is cheap.As other people said EUR50 for half hour so EUR100 for an hour. For people who need travel paying EUR100 an hour why do they need to travel if that price is available to where they live without the need to travel.
Also remember EUR100 an hour without extra. Any extra will be EUR30-50. The rate for half hours in Some FKKs in NRW are EUR40.
I agree no need to barter as it gives off bad vibes and invariably leads to poorer service. But it is also important to remember what trigger that behaviour in the first instance. It is normally come from people, tourist, not regular visitors. These people are an easy target for the sharks, gold diggers. It is also because lack of information as they will compare the price they pay at home with the one they pay in FKK. But they fail to compare it with other places like in many countries in Asia, in South America. In Thailand, Vietnam, Laos: for examples with that sum of money you might get the girl to stay with you for the whole night.
Also if you do not come there regularly, or it might be just once in a few years, once in a lifetime,whatever come after even if these FKKs cease to exist is no longer your concern. If you see the service is good you could actually just tip them.
Anyway it is your money you are using. You could even pay ten times the regular price. Many people could effort that given that it is not an regular basis. But sensible people will start thinking, why do I need to travel if I could get the same price or even cheaper in my cities, areas. If people stop visiting FKKs in Germany it is just a matter of time before it ceases to exist. By the end of the day it will effect us all.
Alternatively you could also visit high class Brothels, Night Clubs where you will be treated like a king as long as you are willing to pay. There are a lot of courtesans, Pornstars could be flown to your house as long as you want to pay.
Some girls know they can ask what they want because Asians now back will pay whatever they ask. Was not same on last year without Asians, when had many 100/60 full GFE. I don t mind paying 150/60 when 30 mn are too short for my too intimate game.....Asians are spoiling girls by paying too much but Sirioja you are spoiling girls by spending over 45 minutes on foreplay in a one hour session. Then girls will not want to do 20 minutes of fucking with me in a 30 minute session.
Girls at the level of European FKK girls will be about $500 per hour in the USA.
As other people said EUR50 for half hour so EUR100 for an hour. For people who need travel paying EUR100 an hour why do they need to travel if that price is available to where they live without the need to travel.
Also remember EUR100 an hour without extra. Any extra will be EUR30-50. The rate for half hours in Some FKKs in NRW are EUR40.
I agree no need to barter as it gives off bad vibes and invariably leads to poorer service. But it is also important to remember what trigger that behaviour in the first instance. It is normally come from people, tourist, not regular visitors. These people are an easy target for the sharks, gold diggers. It is also because lack of information as they will compare the price they pay at home with the one they pay in FKK. But they fail to compare it with other places like in many countries in Asia, in South America. In Thailand, Vietnam, Laos: for examples with that sum of money you might get the girl to stay with you for the whole night.
Also if you do not come there regularly, or it might be just once in a few years, once in a lifetime,whatever come after even if these FKKs cease to exist is no longer your concern. If you see the service is good you could actually just tip them..
Asians are spoiling girls by paying too much but Sirioja you are spoiling girls by spending over 45 minutes on foreplay in a one hour session. Then girls will not want to do 20 minutes of fucking with me in a 30 minute session.My standard is around 10 mn kissing caressing, then 30 mn for both oral and 20 mn fucking always kissing, most girls can t for longer, too big, too hard, too sporty. With exceptionnal girls, I stay longer. With my Rhur German, discovery was at 4. 30 am when I waited for her since 7. 30 pm and could only for 30 mn before closing, now she comes to me when seeing me and we stay 2/2 h30 , I could stay longer, rate 50/30 full GFE and foreplay fireworks playing, I think she trust me.
Girls at the level of European FKK girls will be about $500 per hour in the USA.In the US prostitution is illegal, except in Nevada. In Nevada there are a lot of street prostitute could be poked much less than that, especially in the car.
A beginner in porn industry in the US get paid around US $600-US $1000 per shoot which could be a few hours work. The scene will involve a rough sex, bareback, gang-bang, deep anal penetration, spanking, humiliation, sometimes with giant cocks, you name it.
Also people in the US could travel to neighbouring countries such as Mexico, Columbia, etc
Basel starts a test program where a few hundred people are legally allowed to buy weed from some pharmacies. It's quite likely that in a few years weed is fully legal again in Switzerland. While drug possession and consumption are technically illegal in Switzerland, possession of small quantities for personal consumption is normally not prosecuted, people might get a fine but that's it.As you wrote, we had golden years in year 1999 to 2001 I believe, oh wow how I so enjoyed those golden years when I was teen and top weed was over the counter legal in professional grower shops, I smoked and fuck stunners, amazing time LOL!
The thing is CDB weed is legal it seems now, but now THC is not! I miss those golden years, but it is what it is and I follow the law! I had best time with weed, so that is that until the situation legally provide with the best weed again!
I might at one point go to Amsterdam to try ecstacy mdma sex with top escort stunner for a week as it is all legal in Amsterdam! I will book top escort from Germany to bring her over to Amsterdam though as I am not sure if Amsterdam escorts provide quality young girls!
Mongerer88
08-21-22, 01:12
In the US prostitution is illegal, except in Nevada. In Nevada there are a lot of street prostitute could be poked much less than that, especially in the car.
A beginner in porn industry in the US get paid around US $600-US $1000 per shoot which could be a few hours work. The scene will involve a rough sex, bareback, gang-bang, deep anal penetration, spanking, humiliation, sometimes with giant cocks, you name it.
Also people in the US could travel to neighbouring countries such as Mexico, Columbia, etcThe USA Has a massive escort and Sugar Baby scene with three separate escort review boards.
The legal Nevada brothels constitute far less than 1 percent of the transactions. More like a tenth of one percent.
The street scene is getting smaller every year in the USA, and is now only covered by one of those three review boards. Since it is most likely to be targeted by law enforcement, it is a very small percentage of the total transactions.
The prices generally range from $250 an hour to $700 an hour.
A tremendous number of independents who do full GFE, including BBBJTCIM, and who have their own websites and screen, are now indeed in the $500-$600 an hour. In smaller cities and in certain geographical areas, it can sometimes be a little bit less.
It is very difficult to make comparisons. Realistically, the way independent escorts are forced to operate in the USA, they see relatively few customers, often only one a day. And that is reflected in the high prices. As to whether the Romanian FKK lady at $100-$150 an hour (including upsells) is the equivalent of the $500 an hour USA Independent escort, that would depend on which two you pick for comparison.
The only part of your post I agree with is the porn discussion. It is possible to purchase sex from some porn stars, usually by finding them on Twitter and eventually emailing them. Ladies don't make much money doing porn. They primarily use it to enhance an Onlyfans presence. The porn stars who quietly escort tend to charge the same rates as independent escorts who do not do porn, although sometimes $100 an hour or so more.
Incidentally, it is the lowest price per hour ladies who are most likely to draw the interest of law enforcement. And it is the sites those ladies advertise on that in turn gets fake ads taken out by law enforcement. Currently the main target is the site skipthegames. Before that it was of course Backpage.
One of the reasons independent escorts charge above a certain price per hour point, and one of the reasons that Johns pay it, is that independent escorts who screen, have their own websites, and charge market rates are not typically targeted by law enforcement, especially in most large cities.
Girls at the level of European FKK girls will be about $500 per hour in the USA.If you can get them then the price is up to the buyer, but the problem in most states in USA is that such options are not even available! The same go for many other nations!
As other people said EUR50 for half hour so EUR100 for an hour. For people who need travel paying EUR100 an hour why do they need to travel if that price is available to where they live without the need to travel.
Also remember EUR100 an hour without extra. Any extra will be EUR30-50. The rate for half hours in Some FKKs in NRW are EUR40.
I agree no need to barter as it gives off bad vibes and invariably leads to poorer service. But it is also important to remember what trigger that behaviour in the first instance. It is normally come from people, tourist, not regular visitors. These people are an easy target for the sharks, gold diggers. It is also because lack of information as they will compare the price they pay at home with the one they pay in FKK. But they fail to compare it with other places like in many countries in Asia, in South America. In Thailand, Vietnam, Laos: for examples with that sum of money you might get the girl to stay with you for the whole night.
Also if you do not come there regularly, or it might be just once in a few years, once in a lifetime,whatever come after even if these FKKs cease to exist is no longer your concern. If you see the service is good you could actually just tip them.
Anyway it is your money you are using. You could even pay ten times the regular price. Many people could effort that given that it is not an regular basis. But sensible people will start thinking, why do I need to travel if I could get the same price or even cheaper in my cities, areas. If people stop visiting FKKs in Germany it is just a matter of time before it ceases to exist. By the end of the day it will effect us all.
Alternatively you could also visit high class Brothels, Night Clubs where you will be treated like a king as long as you are willing to pay. There are a lot of courtesans, Pornstars could be flown to your house as long as you want to pay.I travel because I fuck best Eurasian girls here and I fuck best white and other exotic stunner level girls in Europe LOL! The best of both world LOL!
In the US prostitution is illegal, except in Nevada. In Nevada there are a lot of street prostitute could be poked much less than that, especially in the car.
A beginner in porn industry in the US get paid around US $600-US $1000 per shoot which could be a few hours work. The scene will involve a rough sex, bareback, gang-bang, deep anal penetration, spanking, humiliation, sometimes with giant cocks, you name it.
Also people in the US could travel to neighbouring countries such as Mexico, Columbia, etcNevada totally sucks. It is all cbg by law overpriced probably more than $500 per hour. Plus you need to drive 100 to 500 miles to a legal brothel once you are in Nevada.
Mexico you can wind up blown up there are reports of civil unrest in Tijuana wherein drug criminals are lighting cars on fire. And you can't have a gun in Mexico unless you are in the cartel, or a Mexican police officer bribed by the cartel.
The reason why some of top stunner do escort and also on low days turn up at FKK as walk in is that they like to monetize their youth and beauties in more direct impactful way which is money sex exchange business, so it is good that the whole world is filled with young stunners who want to directly monetize their beauties instead of just sticking to complicated for both dating scene!
Arent we mongers who know where to around world are lucky LOL!
If you can get them then the price is up to the buyer, but the problem in most states in USA is that such options are not even available! The same go for many other nations!Another good point about FKK is the hygiene in Germany is top level. They have the bidet there whereas a street walking provider in the USA has very bad hygiene and would be lucky to even have a wet wipe, let alone a wipe between each client. Plus the temperatures in the USA can top 115 degrees and with all the sweat and residue down there anyone paying for full service is insane which is why mainly the BJ is the way to go in the USA.
What excuse do you use to travel by yourself?
Use some sort of professional development opportunity: a conference, or short-term (like a few days) educational course.
Second venue may be some sort of a hobby you have. Maybe you a railroad fan and you want to visit some railroad museums in industrial towns like Dortmund and Darmstadt (wink wink, there is one there indeed!) It would be great if you had such hobby in your childhood and suddenly you feel a strong urge to resurrect the experience, blah blah, you get the idea.
Thirdly, maybe you want to explore some sort of business opportunity, perhaps starting your own business. Maybe not now, maybe after you retire. However being a practical man that you are, you wish to start the preparation early, research a bit deeper (should I say analyze?) the matter and you have to visit Germany.
Fourthly you could have just discovered some German ancestors in your family tree and now you must visit and / or search for their graves. A slight variation may be that you want to learn and practice some German, but that would require some effort, like endless hours of practice, unless du sprichst wirklich schon gut Deutsch.
Important: once you make up your legend, stick to it to death. You have to believe in it yourself or else your wife will sense the deception.Conferences or anything the dates can be checked is dangerous if he does not actually go, I would say actually go to these things and take photos as evidence LOL! Then off to FKK at night time LOL! So the whole thing will be half true!
Girls at the level of European FKK girls will be about $500 per hour in the USA.Before FKK I didn't know until end of 2012 , I started with Russian escorts in Paris on 2011 , really Russian when Ukrainians are not on same level, even I m very sorry for Ukraine now and hate dirty Putin as I always told my regular escorts. I had some from 10/11 pm until 4 am for diner + 200/250 and sometimes present, little mums becoming so horny when I bought Disney present, usually less than 50 , for kid, making them more passionate than a fashion French perfume. I remember Anna from Ufa on January 2012 on her third tour and after around 10 times with her, first going to buy a Disney present, then to restaurant for her salmon and cup of champagne. I asked her to give me her pantie under table, she looked at me with round eyes but did, I put towel under her, when we left, towel was wet. I drove to Milano or Torino for her after she was unfortunately attacked in Paris. When I m known since years from girls reports by what became Amour Russe, since few years, I book for 200/45 and when I enjoy the girl and repeat, I usually stay with her for nearly 1 hour, meaning 200/57 or 58 for super GFE top beauties. I don't see in FKK, even at Globe or Aphrodisia, girls worthing more than my best Russian escorts I get for 200/ almost 1 hour and I m fully sure we have the most fresh in Paris compare to Dubai or elsewhere, because when they first leave Russia, most Russian girls dream much more of Paris than anywhere else. Only after, they think to make more money in Dubai or fucking Asians when they become more professionnal, but they first fall from tupolev in Paris when Milano is now dead. On this year, from Moscow Victoria was exceptionnal fresh GFE kissing all along, met her many times for 200/58 . I also discovered some real NL in NL for 160/60 and free entry with a soft drink, Floor being a late 20's real beauty when she did model in Paris years ago. I met in FKK few girls on escort level: Madelina. Ro, Katalina. Ro I got at Sharks for 200/120 before following her at Globe, EMA for 300/180 on my weekly visits for months, EMA Prestige for 200/120 , my German escort for usually 300/180 . My now Rhur German is on top level escort and for behavior. But so many FKK girls don t worth what they ask, with their average or less look and low level in bed. 90% of Globe girls don t worth the rate. Almost none at Aphrodisia Zurich city, but now I know why so expensive, to pay alcohol and cocaine for drunk drugged who work in city. They should better make sport to be able to control pressure when I won t pay too expensive for them when I drink orange juice when not even apple or ananas for 280/30 but only average looks mostly with already many kilometers in business, but look is not the most important for these guys with fog in eyes and brain. You don t find most fresh prettiest in most expensive clubs. 40/50/30 Gold Dusseldorf airport and Freubad. Ch with HH giving 90/30 are probably best value for quality at the moment. Swiss Dietikon can also be good value even they increased 8% girls rate but lowered a bit entry. For 1 hour sex, 4,5% increased, quite correct for few interesting girls.
As you wrote, we had golden years in year 1999 to 2001 I believe, oh wow how I so enjoyed those golden years when I was teen and top weed was over the counter legal in professional grower shops, I smoked and fuck stunners, amazing time LOL!
The thing is CDB weed is legal it seems now, but now THC is not! I miss those golden years, but it is what it is and I follow the law! I had best time with weed, so that is that until the situation legally provide with the best weed again!
I might at one point go to Amsterdam to try ecstacy mdma sex with top escort stunner for a week as it is all legal in Amsterdam! I will book top escort from Germany to bring her over to Amsterdam though as I am not sure if Amsterdam escorts provide quality young girls!The best thing about FKK is you actually get to see the girls in real life before you choose the one to fuck, where as with escort, you only photos!
Nevada totally sucks. It is all cbg by law overpriced probably more than $500 per hour. Plus you need to drive 100 to 500 miles to a legal brothel once you are in Nevada.
Mexico you can wind up blown up there are reports of civil unrest in Tijuana wherein drug criminals are lighting cars on fire. And you can't have a gun in Mexico unless you are in the cartel, or a Mexican police officer bribed by the cartel.
The USA Has a massive escort and Sugar Baby scene with three separate escort review boards.
The prices generally range from $250 an hour to $700 an hour.
A tremendous number of independents who do full GFE, including BBBJTCIM, and who have their own websites and screen, are now indeed in the $500-$600 an hour. In smaller cities and in certain geographical areas, it can sometimes be a little bit less.
It is very difficult to make comparisons. Realistically, the way independent escorts are forced to operate in the USA, they see relatively few customers, often only one a day. And that is reflected in the high prices. As to whether the Romanian FKK lady at $100-$150 an hour (including upsells) is the equivalent of the $500 an hour USA Independent escort, that would depend on which two you pick for comparison.
The only part of your post I agree with is the porn discussion. It is possible to purchase sex from some porn stars, usually by finding them on Twitter and eventually emailing them. Ladies don't make much money doing porn. They primarily use it to enhance an Onlyfans presence. The porn stars who quietly escort tend to charge the same rates as independent escorts who do not do porn, although sometimes $100 an hour or so more.
My point here is that people start justifying the increase of 100% price in FKK (or the like) just because it is still cheaper than those what they would have paid at home. They forget about the cost of travelling, time needed for travelling, etc. Keep in mind the local scene in Germany, Spain, etc mainly thrive because the local or people who travel to that region frequently sustain them, not because a tourist who just come there once in a lifetime or once in a few years. These sort of people instead ruin the market, our environment.
We have witnessed the RLD in Amsterdam scene where once was a very good punting ground is now, remain a history because of the international tourists who might just punting once in a lifetime or once in a few years in that region have ruined them. People would have noticed that local people hardly ever visit or stop visiting the Amsterdam RLD since a few years ago. Local people is the RLD bread and butter. When the local people start ignoring their local scenes looking for a new punting ground in Asia, for instance, it is going to effect us all mongers. Unless of course you want to turn to become a pornstar, LOL.
Pierre Woodman has fucked many stunning girls in Europe and he just pays a pittance for a scene. It is publicly known he pays around EUR700-EUR900 for a scene which might involve a few hours work for the girls to include Bareback, Deep Anal Penetration, Gang bang, humiliation. And those girls get fucked by Woodman and his boys, multiple times (not just once) during the day the scene is made. Not to mention the need to give up privacy as the scene could be watched by family members, relatives, friends and people around the world.
Pierre Woodman has probably fucked more stunners than anyone else in this world considering the time span he is in the industry and the frequency of his porn production..
As I said previously people are using their own money so nothing wrong with it in many perspectives. Also for some people that environment is not that important for them or worse they do not really care about the environment they are in. But do you want that someday you could no longer travel to Germany, to see the type of girls you normally see in FKK ?
You would have to turn to become a pornstar because the girls charge the price quite similar with the people pay in the US, AU, CA, etc, the FKK scene in Germany collapse because they do not get enough income to sustain their operation due to regular / local visitors stop visiting them?
Mongerer88
08-21-22, 13:17
I understand your points, but just as I am amazed at how many ISG posters only post within the FKK forums, I think it is unrealistic in the Information Age to keep Johns and more importantly Sex Workers so uninformed about like outside the German FKK system that service-adjusted prices can remain extremely low for decades.
I would argue it is the high degree of mobility of the sex workers, and the fact that the business can now be conducted with a cell phone, WhatsApp / Telegram, Twitter and / or some form of basic advertising, and access to a trick pad that is shared with other ladies, that is driving up prices more than any other factors.
I suspect the mobility of Johns from other areas does drive up prices somewhat at FJKs, but of the dozen factors doing so, I would rank it as not contributing to the increase much. To the extent it does, it is the French arriving by train / car more so than the Americans. That might have contributed a bit to the gradual small price increases seen in Spain and Portugal, also. There just aren't enough American Johns in Europe to move the needle, and even fewer of them in the past three years.
Just like food, a price increase in one area will eventually flow throughout the world. The supply of the most desirable food will flow to the areas where the prices are the highest. Try to fight it too much and those who can't or won't pay a higher price end up with an inferior substitute. You don't want a situation where only the oldest, fattest and ugliest Eastern Europeans work at the FKKs, while the best looking and best performing Romanians researched on the Internet the best places (and best approaches) to work while in high school and acted upon that information when they graduated.
I suspect that is happening now. Whenever anyone mentions legal Nevada brothels or the street scene in conjunction with the USA Market, my antennae goes up because I know they haven't really studied the USA Market, which is now independent escorts with their own websites, a few boutique agencies, Sugar Babies, and those who insist on taking the risk of continuing to use mass classified advertising that is still attacked by law enforcement.
But when I see an FKK poster analyze the FKK market exclusively from the standpoint of the ladies working there and the Johns who exclusively go there, I am skeptical that they see the whole picture. It is technology and the sharing of information that is the enemy of the FKKs to the extent they try to maintain low prices with great looking young women providing top services. In a worldwide economy with the availability of data, it just won't work. The best sex workers will seek out the best opportunities, and the Johns who find their prices worthwhile will be their customers. If these transactions occur entirely outside of FKKs, no one is going to be concerned other than the most ardent FKK customers.
My point here is that people start justifying the increase of 100% price in FKK (or the like) just because it is still cheaper than those what they would have paid at home. They forget about the cost of travelling, time needed for travelling, etc. Keep in mind the local scene in Germany, Spain, etc mainly thrive because the local or people who travel to that region frequently sustain them, not because a tourist who just come there once in a lifetime or once in a few years. These sort of people instead ruin the market, our environment.
We have witnessed the RLD in Amsterdam scene where once was a very good punting ground is now, remain a history because of the international tourists who might just punting once in a lifetime or once in a few years in that region have ruined them. People would have noticed that local people hardly ever visit or stop visiting the Amsterdam RLD since a few years ago. Local people is the RLD bread and butter. When the local people start ignoring their local scenes looking for a new punting ground in Asia, for instance, it is going to effect us all mongers. Unless of course you want to turn to become a pornstar, LOL.
Pierre Woodman has fucked many stunning girls in Europe and he just pays a pittance for a scene. It is publicly known he pays around EUR700-EUR900 for a scene which might involve a few hours work for the girls to include Bareback, Deep Anal Penetration, Gang bang, humiliation. And those girls get fucked by Woodman and his boys, multiple times (not just once) during the day the scene is made. Not to mention the need to give up privacy as the scene could be watched by family members, relatives, friends and people around the world.
Pierre Woodman has probably fucked more stunners than anyone else in this world considering the time span he is in the industry and the frequency of his porn production..
As I said previously people are using their own money so nothing wrong with it in many perspectives. Also for some people that environment is not that important for them or worse they do not really care about the environment they are in. But do you want that someday you could no longer travel to Germany, to see the type of girls you normally see in FKK ?
You would have to turn to become a pornstar because the girls charge the price quite similar with the people pay in the US, AU, CA, etc, the FKK scene in Germany collapse because they do not get enough income to sustain their operation due to regular / local visitors stop visiting them?
Another good point about FKK is the hygiene in Germany is top level. They have the bidet there whereas a street walking provider in the USA has very bad hygiene and would be lucky to even have a wet wipe, let alone a wipe between each client. Plus the temperatures in the USA can top 115 degrees and with all the sweat and residue down there anyone paying for full service is insane which is why mainly the BJ is the way to go in the USA.Bidet in FKK as in toilet like in Japan? I always found toilet in west to be so behind and not hygiene without washlet toilet we call in Japan by companies like Toto or Panasonic, well Toto is leading company for toilet in the world by far! I always wonder why in west they keep ass dirty after toilet! Toto should go into western market more to keep asses in west clean after shit! That was my biggest culture shock when I went to west to UK and France for first time in my life that the toilet is too behind and dirty and hey it is 2022 and they still do not have better advanced toilet in west! LOL! Why? LOL!
Nevada totally sucks. It is all cbg by law overpriced probably more than $500 per hour. Plus you need to drive 100 to 500 miles to a legal brothel once you are in Nevada.
Mexico you can wind up blown up there are reports of civil unrest in Tijuana wherein drug criminals are lighting cars on fire. And you can't have a gun in Mexico unless you are in the cartel, or a Mexican police officer bribed by the cartel.I always thought you can fuck stunner girls for very good price like 100 usd, but are mexican that unorganized?
Bidet in FKK as in toilet like in Japan? I always found toilet in west to be so behind and not hygiene without washlet toilet we call in Japan by companies like Toto or Panasonic, well Toto is leading company for toilet in the world by far! I always wonder why in west they keep ass dirty after toilet! Toto should go into western market more to keep asses in west clean after shit! That was my biggest culture shock when I went to west to UK and France for first time in my life that the toilet is too behind and dirty and hey it is 2022 and they still do not have better advanced toilet in west! LOL! Why? LOL!I don't recall seeing any bidets at the FKKs in Germany. Anybody else? Dr. Poon you're at it again! They do have them at several of the top clubs in Spain. I feel like I can get cleaner taking a full body shower. But of course, you don't always have the time to do that.
Mongerer88
08-21-22, 14:54
I always thought you can fuck stunner girls for very good price like 100 usd, but are mexican that unorganized?Yes, Tijuana is very popular among Americans.
I sincerely hope that no one bases their views of the USA, nor Tijuana, on the posts of Dr. Poon. Not sure where he is from.
The unhygienic survival sex workers likely constitute 0. 1 percent of the USA Scene, if that. Seeing one of them, given the neighborhoods in which they operate, is far more dangerous than taking the tram and walking to known places in Tijuana along with the large crowds walking along the streets.
Is there more safety risk in Tijuana than San Diego? Of course, but it is still a very low risk in percentage terms, as can be observed from the numerous ISG posts of guys going there.
Most guys in Southern California would choose among the following:
A Korean lady in LA's Koreatown that would likely be $350-$450 an hour, with some limited screening.
An independent non-Asian escort who screens rather heavily and has reviews on escort review boards and is likely in the $500-$600 an hour range.
An escort participating in the mass classified ad system in the $200-$350 an hour range. She will likely be a step down from the first two options. Not only will he incur some law-enforcement risks, but she may be a drug user and she might provide a lower level of service.
A trip to Tijuana where he can match what he would get from the first two options at a much lower price. Although he is surprisingly more likely to encounter CBJs in Tijuana than in the first two options. However, a small tip can often overcome this issue.
I don't recognize this USA That Dr. Poon describes.
Of course there is the Sugar Baby system that is unlike traditional sex work. A person can read that ISG thread. It is certainly also very popular in California.
This is what most guys in California would evaluate and compare to a trip to Europe. Not this strange dystopian So. Cal that DrPoon describes. Not sure participants in the street scene really have the resources to get to Europe, or jobs that take them on international journeys.
I always wonder why in west they keep ass dirty after toilet!Japanese people were disgusted to see westerners blowing their noses in handkerchiefs and then sticking the "snot rags" in their pockets! This was a "dirty habit" that the Japanese people vowed never to adopt LOL!
Pierre Woodman is the pride of all French men LOL! Unlike other wimp girly french man in FKK, Pierre Woodman knows how to fuck professional girls properly like man LOL! All this cien, suka spanking LOL! But all that for 900 euro? Those girls must be so stupid LOL! Whatta amazing job he has LOL! But I doubt he make a lot of money though, but enough I guess LOL!
Pierre Woodman has small french mini size penis though, no wonder why some french men are often complex about their size of penis LOL!
Well it is not necessary stupid if you see about the supply and demand in porn industries in Europe and if you consider that the shooting is not in Japan.
You will not be surprised if you know how much these girls get paid for a porn scene from agents in their own countries like in Hungary, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Russia. In fact, Woodman pay rate is already in the upper middle scale and in many occasions he is shooting his porn scene from those countries to minimise the cost.
He normally get his girls from Hungary, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Russia, Romania, Moldova. He sometimes also gets some US, UK pornstars to play in his scene.
Some people get blinded thinking that porn industries are glamorous, looking into the headlines how much the star like Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, etc earn. Well the figures you see in the headlines are the figures where they pay themselves from their own production companies. When you pay yourself you could quote the figure whatever you want to.
How did you find the interview to be Porn star?......This was way back in the 1970's when I used to frequent, among others, a porn establishment called Show World Center in NYC. They used to have peep shows with videos and live girls. There were three levels and one level had live sex shows with couples and lesbians. I got to know some of the guys working there and was told where I could go to 'audition' for porn videos. I had too many family members and relatives to do that.
As you wrote, we had golden years in year 1999 to 2001 I believe, oh wow how I so enjoyed those golden years when I was teen and top weed was over the counter legal in professional grower shops, I smoked and fuck stunners, amazing time LOL!
The thing is CDB weed is legal it seems now, but now THC is not! I miss those golden years, but it is what it is and I follow the law! I had best time with weed, so that is that until the situation legally provide with the best weed again!
I might at one point go to Amsterdam to try ecstacy mdma sex with top escort stunner for a week as it is all legal in Amsterdam! I will book top escort from Germany to bring her over to Amsterdam though as I am not sure if Amsterdam escorts provide quality young girls!My golden years were in the 1970's and 1980's and guess where? In the good old USA. I have mongered all over the world and the best mongering for me ever was in NYC back then. Hot girls of FKK quality for $20 and $30 but even at that price I could not afford to bang much more than once or twice a week but the service was out of this world. I went to Amsterdam in my first trip to Europe in 1973 but could not afford to bang even one girl as I was very low on cash. I returned in 1992 but did not find the mongering any better than back home, probably about the same. How the USA has fallen since then but I have great memories.
My golden years were in the 1970's and 1980's and guess where? In the good old USA. I have mongered all over the world and the best mongering for me ever was in NYC back then. Hot girls of FKK quality for $20 and $30 but even at that price I could not afford to bang much more than once or twice a week but the service was out of this world. I went to Amsterdam in my first trip to Europe in 1973 but could not afford to bang even one girl as I was very low on cash. I returned in 1992 but did not find the mongering any better than back home, probably about the same. How the USA has fallen since then but I have great memories.The decline of America started in the 1970's. From that point on each generation made less money than the one before it. The hours of work increased and the pay adjusted for inflation decreased. The middle class was obliterated, and the female to male ratio decreased thereby leaving extra men. The government started putting men in jail for having sex or attempting to have sex, raised the age of consent across the board thereby diluting the market of available women. It disarmed law abiding citizens and put guns in the hands of gang members and drug dealers, then legalized drugs (marijuana) and in some states other drugs too. In sum, the USA is in the dark ages.
I always thought you can fuck stunner girls for very good price like 100 usd, but are mexican that unorganized?Illegal Mexicans are now being bussed to NYC, so maybe the Mexican girl prices in NYC will decrease in light of the expanded supply. New York gives illegals a New York state ID card so they can take their cash and put it in a bank account using their state ID card.
An independent non-Asian escort who screens rather heavily and has reviews on escort review boards and is likely in the $500-$600 an hour range. I don't recognize this USA That Dr. Poon describes.
What are the top independent review boards these days (you can tell me by PM if that would be more appropriate)? One reason I gave up on the American scene a long, long time ago (besides it being mostly illegal) is all of the tutes asking for "references". I'm not from here, so how am I supposed to provide your ass with "references"? I get the need to screen but it was a nuisance or just plain dangerously invasive (tutes asking for picture ID and office phone numbers and stuff). I also don't recognize the USA that Dr. Poon describes (and all matter of other things he writes about either).
My golden years were in the 1970's and 1980's and guess where? In the good old USA. I have mongered all over the world and the best mongering for me ever was in NYC back then. Hot girls of FKK quality for $20 and $30 but even at that price I could not afford to bang much more than once or twice a week but the service was out of this world. I went to Amsterdam in my first trip to Europe in 1973 but could not afford to bang even one girl as I was very low on cash. I returned in 1992 but did not find the mongering any better than back home, probably about the same. How the USA has fallen since then but I have great memories.You are the survivor as I heard with Studio 54 and all that 1970's and 1980's New York was real sex city, but there came HIV, so there was another price called life during that sex era of New York, but here you are, so you survived the good old golden era of New York! It changed a lot since then as nyc is not exactly good mongering destination, well USA is not unfortunately!
In 1970's, I was not even born!
I mongered around world too, but nowhere beat the variety of Germany or Zurich FKK and yes, I have not been to Brazil yet as it is over 20 hours from where I live, but it is in my bucket list, I will do a month or two tour in Brazil fucking everyday, that will be quite a trip!
My favorite years were 1999 to 2001 Zurich as girls were stunners, some were even Swiss stunners and weed was legal in Zurich back then! So I had amazing out of mind drug sex LOL! But when I found out german FKK bit late in year 2009, I was mind blown by the set up of FKK LOL! It was Artemis! It is the disney land for mongers LOL!
Memories is what important in life and I am glad we managed to get a lot of sexual ones as only few men managed to do that! Let us collect more memories LOL!
This was way back in the 1970's when I used to frequent, among others, a porn establishment called Show World Center in NYC. They used to have peep shows with videos and live girls. There were three levels and one level had live sex shows with couples and lesbians. I got to know some of the guys working there and was told where I could go to 'audition' for porn videos. I had too many family members and relatives to do that.Yeah, that is the down side of porn, but POV could have been the option, but I guess there was no POV porn back then, but hey you could have been the pioneer of POV LOL! Then there is no point as you be famous as the pioneer of POV LOL!
Well it is not necessary stupid if you see about the supply and demand in porn industries in Europe and if you consider that the shooting is not in Japan.
You will not be surprised if you know how much these girls get paid for a porn scene from agents in their own countries like in Hungary, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Russia. In fact, Woodman pay rate is already in the upper middle scale and in many occasions he is shooting his porn scene from those countries to minimise the cost.
He normally get his girls from Hungary, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Russia, Romania, Moldova. He sometimes also gets some US, UK pornstars to play in his scene.
Some people get blinded thinking that porn industries are glamorous, looking into the headlines how much the star like Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, etc earn. Well the figures you see in the headlines are the figures where they pay themselves from their own production companies. When you pay yourself you could quote the figure whatever you want to.Ok, then what the fuck are we doing here? LOL! Let shoot porn in Hungary or whereever that has young stunners who are willing to do it for that rate LOL! For our privacy we can do POV ones LOL!
Japanese people were disgusted to see westerners blowing their noses in handkerchiefs and then sticking the "snot rags" in their pockets! This was a "dirty habit" that the Japanese people vowed never to adopt LOL!Yeah! Why West are so dirty is my question? I mean look, toilet, why they do not implement Toto washlet toilet or Panasonic washlet toilet from Japan? It clean your ass after big thing in toilet and it is scientifically proven to better to keep your ass clean just like in life LOL!
Yes, Tijuana is very popular among Americans.
I sincerely hope that no one bases their views of the USA, nor Tijuana, on the posts of Dr. Poon. Not sure where he is from.
The unhygienic survival sex workers likely constitute 0. 1 percent of the USA Scene, if that. Seeing one of them, given the neighborhoods in which they operate, is far more dangerous than taking the tram and walking to known places in Tijuana along with the large crowds walking along the streets.
Is there more safety risk in Tijuana than San Diego? Of course, but it is still a very low risk in percentage terms, as can be observed from the numerous ISG posts of guys going there.
Most guys in Southern California would choose among the following:
A Korean lady in LA's Koreatown that would likely be $350-$450 an hour, with some limited screening.
An independent non-Asian escort who screens rather heavily and has reviews on escort review boards and is likely in the $500-$600 an hour range.
An escort participating in the mass classified ad system in the $200-$350 an hour range. She will likely be a step down from the first two options. Not only will he incur some law-enforcement risks, but she may be a drug user and she might provide a lower level of service.
A trip to Tijuana where he can match what he would get from the first two options at a much lower price. Although he is surprisingly more likely to encounter CBJs in Tijuana than in the first two options. However, a small tip can often overcome this issue.
I don't recognize this USA That Dr. Poon describes.
Of course there is the Sugar Baby system that is unlike traditional sex work. A person can read that ISG thread. It is certainly also very popular in California.
This is what most guys in California would evaluate and compare to a trip to Europe. Not this strange dystopian So. Cal that DrPoon describes. Not sure participants in the street scene really have the resources to get to Europe, or jobs that take them on international journeys.I think Mexico should legalize prostitution or have they? Either way, it is wise for them to make something like FKK in USA Mexico border so it is good income for mexicans and it is good place for real USA Mexico billateral relationship LOL!
I don't recall seeing any bidets at the FKKs in Germany. Anybody else? Dr. Poon you're at it again! They do have them at several of the top clubs in Spain. I feel like I can get cleaner taking a full body shower. But of course, you don't always have the time to do that.I have seen in house Medical Doctor in FKK, but that only in Artemis, how FKK stay so safe with STD is unclear, but I never heard any incidents there has been outbreak of STD in FKK! It is quite amazing that no media has reported on that angle of STD and FKK yet!
Also I never had smelly girls in FKK! Their breath seems to smell neutral always and it is amazing considering how much they smoke often on their empty stomach too!
Also I never had smelly girls in FKK! Their breath seems to smell neutral always and it is amazing considering how much they smoke often on their empty stomach too!I have been with one girl with bad breath at the FKKs, which is pretty remarkable given how many I have sessioned with over the years. It was at Oase, and if I recall correctly, I think she was a favorite of Syzygies. Remember Syzgies? Anyway, she was Romanian or Moldovan, blondish hair, and discussed much here (don't remember her name). Actually, it wasn't that her breath smelled bad. It's that her mouth tasted bad.
You see, she asked me if she could kiss me. I gave her the OK, and when she did, her mouth tasted like an ashtray! Yuck! Anyway, I ended up butt fucking her in the room face down and hard. That way, I didn't have to taste her mouth anymore! Think I teased Syzgies that I had butt fucked his girl LOL! What happened to Syzgies anyway? He started spending all of his time in Thailand. Have not heard from him in years.
Mongerer88
08-22-22, 02:28
I think Mexico should legalize prostitution or have they? Either way, it is wise for them to make something like FKK in USA Mexico border so it is good income for mexicans and it is good place for real USA Mexico billateral relationship LOL!Prostitution is legal in designated zones, which includes Tijuana.
The Tijuana clubs have nearby rooms where the sex occurs. Food and drinks are available in the Tijuana clubs.
Is it has fundamental similarities to FKKs except it is a party atmosphere.
Every country is different. Germany is Germany, Mexico is Mexico, and the USA Is the USA.
Each country has its own unique system.
I have seen in house Medical Doctor in FKK, but that only in Artemis, how FKK stay so safe with STD is unclear, but I never heard any incidents there has been outbreak of STD in FKK! It is quite amazing that no media has reported on that angle of STD and FKK yet!
Also I never had smelly girls in FKK! Their breath seems to smell neutral always and it is amazing considering how much they smoke often on their empty stomach too!I thought they had them at Goldentime girls locker room. Also I have noted at Goldentime whenever a girl used the restroom she would spray perfume in it so as to leave a nice smell for any hobbyist entering it.
In Germany there was never an issue with hygiene among any of the FKK girls I have met. In any case there is a very real problem with bad hygiene among USA women especially ones walking the street which is also referred to as the "blade."
I think Mexico should legalize prostitution or have they? Either way, it is wise for them to make something like FKK in USA Mexico border so it is good income for mexicans and it is good place for real USA Mexico billateral relationship LOL!Here is a good video of cars being firebombed in Tijuana last week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOsvz1uK-vg
Ok, then what the fuck are we doing here? LOL! Let shoot porn in Hungary or wherever that has young stunners who are willing to do it for that rate LOL! For our privacy we can do POV ones LOL!
Look at the Woodman Casting X website and see how hot many of the girls are. This is just one of many examples "Trixxxie Fox" a Dutch new comers. As a new comer, you could not easily find her on many porn sites. She might qualify as a catwalk model, considering her look, age and figure: Tall 179 cm, quite slim, blue eyes, Natural Blond. She "might" be available for booking as an escort, under a different name than her screen name, like many other pornstars in Europe if you spend time searching it.
All of us mongers have interest to preserve our environments; not to destroy them. When all people start thinking the girls in Europe should get paid the same as the girls in the US, AU, CA, etc than that is the start of the destruction of our own environment. That argument is also absurd as the other parts of the world is a different sub-environment, different supply and demand, different law, different wages, etc. Also consider the travelling cost, accommodation, opportunity cost, etc. We have seen the destruction of RLD in Amsterdam. The Dutch people are even need to travel to outside Amsterdam, Germany, or Spain or even to Asia to continue their mongers. What you do not want is that someday you will no longer be able travel to Europe for mongers as the price is the same with those in other countries like the US, AU, CA, etc.
If you look at the Czech, Prague board many mongers start complaining the skyrocketing rate in comparison to the pay-rise they get. Some FKKs in Germany have started the slippery slope journey where the number of visitors start to decline. I believe, many of punters are not ordinary John and could effort to pay even more than ten times the current rates. But it will be a different matter if you just come once in a few years compared to other people who come on regular basis, sometimes a few times a week.
Woodman produces a porn scene almost every single week, where he is also starring them. Considering the duration of his careers in porn industry, arguably, he probably has fucked stunners more than anyone else in this world. You do not want that some days the girls like in his scenes are exclusively only for the people like Woodman. Keep in mind many punters might have a much better looks, more fit and younger than him. It is just a matter of time if all people start thinking the girls should get paid similar to the US, AU, CA, etc
HammerTime96
08-22-22, 12:04
If you look at the Czech, Prague board many mongers start complaining the skyrocketing rate in comparison to the pay-rise they get. Some FKKs in Germany have started the slippery slope journey where the number of visitors start to decline. I believe, many of punters are not ordinary John and could effort to pay even more than ten times the current rates. But it will be a different matter if you just come once in a few years compared to other people who come on regular basis, sometimes a few times a week.Nothing new, I've been saying that already 1 year ago, when most useful idiots here still wanted to believe the "lockdowns-vaccines-masks work" fairytales of the CCP trolls.
Fact: the more leftwing and WEF-oriented a government, the more restricted they are when it comes to P6 and P4P. What has been true for centuries is that small-government, conservative pro-business politicians are the best recipe for the P6 scene to flourish. For example: the Amsterdam RLD, the Hamburg Reeperbahn, or the Antwerp Schipperskwartier, and the overall European tolerant attitude towards P6 have been around for centuries, this is nothing new and has zero to do with the leftwing flower power movement of the late 1960's.
So true, but as a 'return favour' we get communism in the rest of Europe now: central economic planning and a Covid1984 police state.
Want to see the future of German FKKs? Look at Sweden where ultra radical leftwing feminist and a bunch of soy-boy-feminised 'men' are running the show.
Traditionally, P6 has prospered in a conservative and business-minded climate just look at Hong Kong, West-Germany, Holland, Belgium. Wherever there is liberty, there is prosperity, and where there is prosperity, there are WGs. The only exception is the puritan US and the Victorian UK. The more leftwing and religious a country gets, the worse and more over-regulated the situation becomes with P6. Communism is a religion, or better yet, a cult, just remember that Marx said about religion: "the opium of the people."Here is another one of my posts from 1 year ago:
Show us examples of this. For example, how 'liberal' are the Greens and socialists in Sweden towards prostitution? Or the Fins? Or the Norwegians?
You make the typical American mistake to think that P6 is a political issue, while in reality it's probably more of a cultural thing. If anything, the left-green political parties are usually in favour of shutting everything down, or 'regulating' and taxing any business so heavily that they go bankrupt. See my example of Belgium below.
There might be some individual cases of 'socialists burning Other People's Money' (OPM) by subsidising a disabled person getting laid by a WG, but generally speaking P6 has been around in Europe for hundreds of years, long before the Green-Socialist agenda was invented by Marx & Co. (Hint: the Schipperskwartier in Antwerpen, or the famous RLD in Amsterdam, the Reeperbahn in Hamburg, etc).
The Greens and socialists have ruled Amsterdam for last few decades so YOU (with your limited life experience and world view) might think that they are responsible for P6, but reality is that they have been cracking down on P6 for years. Why would that be if they are so 'liberal' towards P6? Here are articles from 2008, 2019 and 2021.
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/world/europe/24amsterdam.html
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/19/its-legal-to-sell-sex-in-amsterdam-but-dont-expect-the-same-rights-as-other-self-employed-workers-netherlands-legal-prostitution-sex-workers/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/01/amsterdam-to-move-sex-workers-out-of-city-centre-in-tourism-reset
In Amsterdam this is just the first step towards the Swedish model. The socialists got their votes from horny voters and 'progressives' in the past during the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's, but now the "me-too" and radical feminists are in control and dictate the agenda, and not just in the Green parties, but also in the CDU, SPD, FDP and VVD.
Look at all the Labour Party mayors of Amsterdam, and look at who is the current mayor of Amsterdam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Amsterdam#Early_20 th_century.
Why do you think YingYang has been closed in Roermond? Or LR in Kaarst? Hint: radical feminist female mayors!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rianne_Donders-de_Leest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaarst#Politics.Keep listening to clueless leftwing Americans that voting for 'green' neo-communists will improve things, and keep on listening to dumb CCP trolls who want to destroy our freedoms and way of life. The current situation as a result from the last 2,5 years speaks for itself. As Einstein said: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result." .
By the way, speaking of radical neo-Marxist feminazis: when will P6 be legalized in the US now that pro-WEF radical leftwing nutcases under the 'guidance' of Sleepy Joe have been in charge for 2 years already? You must soon be on your way to become 'fully Europeanised' and 'liberated' right? / sarc.
Look at the Woodman Casting X website and see how hot many of the girls are. This is just one of many examples "Trixxxie Fox" a Dutch new comers. As a new comer, you could not easily find her on many porn sites. She might qualify as a catwalk model, considering her look, age and figure: Tall 179 cm, quite slim, blue eyes, Natural Blond. She "might" be available for booking as an escort, under a different name than her screen name, like many other pornstars in Europe if you spend time searching it.
All of us mongers have interest to preserve our environments; not to destroy them. When all people start thinking the girls in Europe should get paid the same as the girls in the US, AU, CA, etc than that is the start of the destruction of our own environment. That argument is also absurd as the other parts of the world is a different sub-environment, different supply and demand, different law, different wages, etc. Also consider the travelling cost, accommodation, opportunity cost, etc. We have seen the destruction of RLD in Amsterdam. The Dutch people are even need to travel to outside Amsterdam, Germany, or Spain or even to Asia to continue their mongers. What you do not want is that someday you will no longer be able travel to Europe for mongers as the price is the same with those in other countries like the US, AU, CA, etc.If Europe is down one day, then I got Brazil and you know what? That is how it works, if one place is gone as the time changes, other new place with new relaxed law with some entrepreneur spirit brothel owners emerges, so we just got to keep on moving like sharks LOL!
As for Porn, Woodman used to get better girls back in early 2000's, some day he still get it right, but I wonder where he get those some of the stunners from for such cheap rates! What are the porn agencies he uses and how can we book those girls for our private shooting with our phone camera etc, but I guess it is almost only open for professional porn industry people! But here, I can fuck some of them! I wonder how it works in Europe!
Pierre woodman has helluva fucking style with his mini size French penis LOL!
Pahllus Maximus
08-22-22, 17:00
See the enclosed photo of hunger stone from 1616. ""If you can see me, weep", recording the drought of then and now. As Pink Floyd sang, "Another brick in the wall".
I don't recall seeing any bidets at the FKKs in Germany. Anybody else? Dr. Poon you're at it again! They do have them at several of the top clubs in Spain. I feel like I can get cleaner taking a full body shower. But of course, you don't always have the time to do that.Didn't you know Bruggen? For bidets where girls washed, or in toilets, when no private showers for girls in club number 1 in Germany.
See the enclosed photo of hunger stone from 1616. ""If you can see me, weep", recording the drought of then and now. As Pink Floyd sang, "Another brick in the wall".Those were the gold old days back in the 1616 era. There were not women in the workforce thereby raising housing costs since the incomes were only 1/2 of those currently and inflation was not out of control. The economy was still also on the gold standard and there was not an out of control government.
As for Porn, Woodman used to get better girls back in early 2000's, some day he still get it right, but I wonder where he get those some of the stunners from for such cheap rates! What are the porn agencies he uses and how can we book those girls for our private shooting with our phone camera etc, but I guess it is almost only open for professional porn industry people! But here, I can fuck some of them! I wonder how it works in Europe!
It is not cheap, that is the ongoing rate in porn industry. Even in the US they get paid around $600 in average per shoot (see attached). Keep in mind in porn scene it will involve a few hours work, Bareback, DAP, GB, sometimes with three holes are penetrated at the same times with giant cocks. That is why the FKKs price EUR50 half hour (or EUR 100 per hour) is still competitive. If you do a few hours and you include all extras such as Filming, DAP, BB, GB, you are already paying more than a pornstar get paid.
The Japanese production companies also make AMWF scene regularly such as in Kin8tengoku. They sometimes make shooting in Hungary, Czech Republic, Russia. If you want to make a porn scene presumably you will need to trace them from their social networking sites or contacting their agents.
It is not cheap, that is the ongoing rate in porn industry. Even in the US I also already post evidence in my previous post, they get paid around $600 (lower scale) per shoot.
The Japanese production companies also make AMWF scene regularly such as in Kin8tengoku. They sometimes make shooting in Hungary, Czech Republic, Russia. If you want to make a porn scene presumably you will need to trace them from their social networking sites or contacting their agents.Then why aren't we filming POV porn as it is cheaper than our hobby trip to Germany that I spend minimum around 5000 euro LOL!
See the enclosed photo of hunger stone from 1616. ""If you can see me, weep", recording the drought of then and now. As Pink Floyd sang, "Another brick in the wall".What is this hunger stone? They scratch the wall because they are hungry or?
Look at the Woodman Casting X website and see how hot many of the girls are. This is just one of many examples "Trixxxie Fox" a Dutch new comers. As a new comer, you could not easily find her on many porn sites. She might qualify as a catwalk model, considering her look, age and figure: Tall 179 cm, quite slim, blue eyes, Natural Blond. She "might" be available for booking as an escort, under a different name than her screen name, like many other pornstars in Europe if you spend time searching it.
All of us mongers have interest to preserve our environments; not to destroy them. When all people start thinking the girls in Europe should get paid the same as the girls in the US, AU, CA, etc than that is the start of the destruction of our own environment. That argument is also absurd as the other parts of the world is a different sub-environment, different supply and demand, different law, different wages, etc. Also consider the travelling cost, accommodation, opportunity cost, etc. We have seen the destruction of RLD in Amsterdam. The Dutch people are even need to travel to outside Amsterdam, Germany, or Spain or even to Asia to continue their mongers. What you do not want is that someday you will no longer be able travel to Europe for mongers as the price is the same with those in other countries like the US, AU, CA, etc.
If you look at the Czech, Prague board many mongers start complaining the skyrocketing rate in comparison to the pay-rise they get. Some FKKs in Germany have started the slippery slope journey where the number of visitors start to decline. I believe, many of punters are not ordinary John and could effort to pay even more than ten times the current rates. But it will be a different matter if you just come once in a few years compared to other people who come on regular basis, sometimes a few times a week.
Woodman produces a porn scene almost every single week, where he is also starring them. Considering the duration of his careers in porn industry, arguably, he probably has fucked stunners more than anyone else in this world. You do not want that some days the girls like in his scenes are exclusively only for the people like Woodman. Keep in mind many punters might have a much better looks, more fit and younger than him. It is just a matter of time if all people start thinking the girls should get paid similar to the US, AU, CA, etcWell how do we get the girls from porn agencies to film POV? What are the porn agencies that provide you with porn actress, but I presume they are only for professional and we need contact to film the scene not just paying!
Mongerer88
08-23-22, 00:57
It is not cheap, that is the ongoing rate in porn industry. Even in the US I they get paid around $600 in average per shoot (see attached). Keep in mind in porn scene it will invoice a few hours work, Bareback, DAP, GB, sometimes with giant cocks. That is why the FKKs price EUR50 half hour is still competitive. If you include all extras such as Filming, DAP, BB, GB, you are already paying more than a pornstar get paid.
The Japanese production companies also make AMWF scene regularly such as in Kin8tengoku. They sometimes make shooting in Hungary, Czech Republic, Russia. If you want to make a porn scene presumably you will need to trace them from their social networking sites or contacting their agents.Porn is a loss leader in the USA Sex industry. Because it is simply copied and distributed, no one makes money in porn, with the possible exception of a few fetish genres.
The USA Women doing $600 porn shoots are using the clips as part of an Onlyfans presence or even as marketing as part of independent escorting, or both.
Some of you guys who only see the world of sex work from within a German FKK really need to study the worldwide industry. It is bigger and better paying than you realize, particularly in the USA.
Steve 9696
08-23-22, 02:08
Any recommendations for FKK or other fun near here?
Steve 9696
08-23-22, 02:33
So strangely this club northwest of theüsseldorf has five stars on Google. Fake reviews? Admission is only 20 so that seems suspect. Anyone ever been. Any intel?
Porn is a loss leader in the USA Sex industry. Because it is simply copied and distributed, no one makes money in porn, with the possible exception of a few fetish genres.
The USA Women doing $600 porn shoots are using the clips as part of an Onlyfans presence or even as marketing as part of independent escorting, or both.
Some of you guys who only see the world of sex work from within a German FKK really need to study the worldwide industry. It is bigger and better paying than you realize, particularly in the USA.Please elaborate LOL!
Porn is a loss leader in the USA Sex industry. Because it is simply copied and distributed, no one makes money in porn, with the possible exception of a few fetish genres.
The USA Women doing $600 porn shoots are using the clips as part of an Onlyfans presence or even as marketing as part of independent escorting, or both.
Some of you guys who only see the world of sex work from within a German FKK really need to study the worldwide industry. It is bigger and better paying than you realize, particularly in the USA.
I am not quite sure whether the porn industry is a loss leader in the USA Sex industry. But I do know that a pornstar in the US get paid a little bit more than their counterpart in Europe. Also, I do know that the porn industry in the US is growing instead of shrinking. The law in economics dictates that a business could only grow if there is a profit to be made. The porn industry revenue nowadays gets boosted from an exclusive subscription basis, live casting, live session. Unless you pay a subscription, It is very difficult to make a copy of it when they are newly launched like you would have found in the old days. In the old days people could simply duplicate it from hard media CD / DVDs and distribute it. Some people are profiting from this illegal activity. Certainly, in the future hackers might be able to crack it but by that time they have break-even from their production cost or even make profit from that scenes. Also they might have used new technologies that make it more difficult to crack or to copy. Also even if got cracked and people could get copy it for free or know where to get it for free, there is a still be a barrier for this.
Regarding the comment "Women doing $600 porn shoots are using the clips as part of an Onlyfans presence" might be true (I do not know). But the ongoing rate in the porn industries are well known as it is well reported in the main medias. A few people already know it since a long time ago. But you do not need to do deep research to find information; Spending a few minutes searching will do. These are just one of a few examples (see attached) with a few minute work.
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/20/porns-dirtiest-secret-what-everyone-gets-paid.html
"Here's how things break down. For a "traditional" sex scene between a man and a woman, the average actress' compensation is typically between $800 and $1,000, depending on the studio's budget. Top-tier performers can earn as much as $1,500, occasionally $2,000, while newcomers with bad representation might earn as little as $300".
In the headlines sometimes people read a few-pornstars are getting paid a few hundred thousand US$ per scene. Many of these news are only for publicity stunts where they get paid from their own production companies. Even a male pornstar like Kieran Lee boasting his income from porn, making the publicity stunt insuring his cock. But when people pay themselves the money will go back to their own pockets, thus they will be able to quote any figure they want to.
A few people think that most people visiting FKK, people in this ISG are ordinary John, who just see the sex industry from the German FKK perspective. A few people in this ISG think that other people do not travel worldwide, do not go to places other than German FKK. Well, you don't need to spend a lot time to find out that this is far from the truth. Let alone for people who have been more than a decade in this forum (starting from the old WSG forum).
I am not quite sure whether the porn industry is a loss leader in the USA Sex industry. But I do know that a pornstar in the US get paid a little bit more than their counterpart in Europe. Also, I do know that the porn industry in the US is growing instead of shrinking. The law in economics dictates that a business could only grow if there is a profit to be made. The porn industry revenue nowadays gets boosted from an exclusive subscription basis, live casting, live session. Unless you pay a subscription, It is very difficult to make a copy of it when they are newly launched like you would have found in the old days. In the old days people could simply duplicate it from hard media CD / DVDs and distribute it. Some people are profiting from this illegal activity. Certainly, in the future hackers might be able to crack it but by that time they have break-even from their production cost or even make profit from that scenes. Also they might have used new technologies that make it more difficult to crack or to copy. Also even if got cracked and people could get copy it for free or know where to get it for free, there is a still be a barrier for this.
Regarding the comment "Women doing $600 porn shoots are using the clips as part of an Onlyfans presence" might be true (I do not know). But the ongoing rate in the porn industries are well known as it is well reported in the main medias. A few people already know it since a long time ago. But you do not need to do deep research to find information; Spending a few minutes searching will do. These are just one of a few examples (see attached) with a few minute work.
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/20/porns-dirtiest-secret-what-everyone-gets-paid.html
"Here's how things break down. For a "traditional" sex scene between a man and a woman, the average actress' compensation is typically between $800 and $1,000, depending on the studio's budget. Top-tier performers can earn as much as $1,500, occasionally $2,000, while newcomers with bad representation might earn as little as $300".
In the headlines sometimes people read a few-pornstars are getting paid a few hundred thousand US$ per scene. Many of these news are only for publicity stunts where they get paid from their own production companies. Even a male pornstar like Kieran Lee boasting his income from porn, making the publicity stunt insuring his cock. But when people pay themselves the money will go back to their own pockets, thus they will be able to quote any figure they want to.
A few people think that most people visiting FKK, people in this ISG are ordinary John, who just see the sex industry from the German FKK perspective. A few people in this ISG think that other people do not travel worldwide, do not go to places other than German FKK. Well, you don't need to spend a lot time to find out that this is far from the truth. Let alone for people who have been more than a decade in this forum (starting from the old WSG forum).But I find some girls in FKK so much more attractive and interesting than mostly ugly porn dolls. When I see what Clea Gautier became, just to cry. Porn is for frustrated guys who can t pay prostitutes. Real catastrophe now young learn sex like this, poor girls to become pieces of meat. Globe Zurich is perfect example: previously elegant with charm girls, now girls on lower level than many in Germany for less expensive, but You can play porn there.
Well how do we get the girls from porn agencies to film POV? What are the porn agencies that provide you with porn actress, but I presume they are only for professional and we need contact to film the scene not just paying!In many cases you could get the agency where they are working from their porn profiles in the porn listing sites.
A few to name.
https://www.thenude.com
https://www.indexxx.com/home
https://www.iafd.com/studio.asp
I am not saying it is easy especially a person contacting them who are not trustworthy, not a well known production companies. I think people aware that the agents, or even bimbos working for those agent know very well that there are a lot of time wasters, scammers out-there ready to scam them.
Also like mentioned before many of them are using a different name in the booking sites than their screen name.
Alternatively, especially in Germany, in the UK you could get them in the sex parties with much cheaper prices. But again I am not saying it is easy.
In many cases you could get the agency where they are working from their porn profiles in the porn listing sites.
A few to name.
https://www.thenude.com
https://www.indexxx.com/home
https://www.iafd.com/studio.asp
I am not saying it is easy especially a person contacting them who are not trustworthy, not a well known production companies. I think people aware that the agents, or even bimbos working for those agent know very well that there are a lot of time wasters, scammers out-there ready to scam them.
Also like mentioned before many of them are using a different name in the booking sites than their screen name.
Alternatively, especially in Germany, in the UK you could get them in the sex parties with much cheaper prices. But again I am not saying it is easy.These sites do not have contact details, but I think it is not possible to book them unless you have contact because too many scammers as you said!
I hope there are booking site you pay monthly so it shows you are serious and you can book girls to shoot for sure!
These sites do not have contact details, but I think it is not possible to book them unless you have contact because too many scammers as you said!
I hope there are booking site you pay monthly so it shows you are serious and you can book girls to shoot for sure!Beside scammers, time wasters, the more important point is that they are not going to publish the address of porn agencies, links to the sites, without getting paid. They provide bare minimum information to support the notion of profile listing and ignore the others. People who are interested could start searching the name of the agent by themselves.
But I find some girls in FKK so much more attractive and interesting than mostly ugly porn dolls. When I see what Clea Gautier became, just to cry. Porn is for frustrated guys who can t pay prostitutes. Real catastrophe now young learn sex like this, poor girls to become pieces of meat. Globe Zurich is perfect example: previously elegant with charm girls, now girls on lower level than many in Germany for less expensive, but You can play porn there.Some are not attractive and old, but majority of the new comers are attractive, many are more attractive than the one you see in FKKs. The production companies know very well, shooting the most attractive girls, newcomers will attract more viewers.
Did you watch the sites like these (a few to name).
Nubiles, Twisty, Sex Arts, ALS Scan, CFNM [Deleted by Admin], Met Arts, [Deleted by Admin] Mega World, AmourAngels. Beauty4K, Woodman, etc. Have a look of it and draw your conclusions.
Beside scammers, time wasters, the more important point is that they are not going to publish the address of porn agencies, links to the sites, without getting paid. They provide bare minimum information to support the notion of profile listing and ignore the others. People who are interested could start searching the name of the agent by themselves.True that, I do hope it is easier though, but it is what it is, at least I live better sex life than these porn actors from the stand point of quality of girls!
Escape Artist
08-24-22, 13:17
Whilst dope may be OK for artsy-fartsy stuff and sloppy attribution metrics, in my experience it makes people daft, so let's not rationalize it as some passport to another dimension of IQ or creativity. The greats of the last few centuries Beethoven, Da Vinci, Dalton, Einstein and Feynmann (random sampling) did not start the day with THC. Being exceptional means exceptional devotion, drive and not fucking around with brain retarding drugs. The bullsiht and mystique of the 1960's is just that. The Paul Barans, Andy Grove, Lockheed Martin's Johnson Kelly and Warren Buffet did not futz about. Neither did Soros. I believe with daily BJs by beautiful young women they could have scaled new heights. Stay of the garbage, reject bad nutrition, bad doctors and the lies of the media. Everything about a good nights sleep, exercise, nutrition and working hard and diligently to pursue dreams is true. The bit I'd change is lots of breath taking beautiful young women that represent the vitality of life force and joy of having sex with them for inspiration and motivation.Well you can say the same thing about wine and beer but normal humans find balance, practice moderation, and enjoy life. Grandstanders who enjoy those things but criticize weed are just self deluding hypocrites.
By the way, Lockheed Martin is not the name of an actual person but rather the result of the merger of two separate companies. Maybe that's just the dope causing some fuzziness.
Well you can say the same thing about wine and beer but normal humans find balance, practice moderation, and enjoy life. Grandstanders who enjoy those things but criticize weed are just self deluding hypocrites.
By the way, Lockheed Martin is not the name of an actual person but rather the result of the merger of two separate companies. Maybe that's just the dope causing some fuzziness.Pretty sure he understands that Lockheed Martin is a company, given that he referenced once of their most notable employees.
Escape Artist
08-24-22, 22:02
Pretty sure he understands that Lockheed Martin is a company, given that he referenced once of their most notable employees.True, I'm probably a little hazzy on the dope.
Well you can say the same thing about wine and beer but normal humans find balance, practice moderation, and enjoy life. Grandstanders who enjoy those things but criticize weed are just self deluding hypocrites.
By the way, Lockheed Martin is not the name of an actual person but rather the result of the merger of two separate companies. Maybe that's just the dope causing some fuzziness.One of the most advanced weapon company in the whole world, the weapon that fly high as we mongers missile between our leg also is inter continental ballistic missile that are designated to shoot in stunners mouth, pussy and anal LOL!
Marijuanna is going to be legalized in Germany, German prime minister announced it officially!
Marijuanna is going to be legalized in Germany, German prime minister announced it officially!Marijuana will lower the testosterone of Germans and thus lower the demand for FKK.
Autobahns I love so much since Kraftwerk when I was a child, will become dangerous with under drugs who don't have reflex nor concentration.
Dang Mr. Ho! Now they're setting up "tute platforms" on the moon! Get your "dark side" licked on the far side of the moon LOLOLOL! I wonder if there will be a gym too? Ha!
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/27/world/how-to-watch-artemis-1-launch-scn/index.html
Dang Mr. Ho! Now they're setting up "tute platforms" on the moon! Get your "dark side" licked on the far side of the moon LOLOLOL! I wonder if there will be a gym too? Ha!
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/27/world/how-to-watch-artemis-1-launch-scn/index.htmlLOL When I first saw your post, I thought Artemis is expanding their building into their exaggeratedly large parking plot LOL! But Artemis is already big enough and as far as the facility go, it is the best one for me except one big complain! Artemis should have done out door fucking spaces as they could have done, but instead, they just made this Arabic theme rooms! I hope they will do something to outdoor that we can fuck outside both in summer and somehow in winter!
Is sharks my best bet on a Sunday in Fra? I know not the best day but that's all I can manage.
Hyperion2007
08-29-22, 19:11
Is sharks my best bet on a Sunday in Fra? I know not the best day but that's all I can manage.Sunday is a good day in Sharks right now. During all summer it was one of the busiest day.
Is sharks my best bet on a Sunday in Fra? I know not the best day but that's all I can manage.Yes, Sharks on Sunday. Entry 50 before 2 pm.
Got some business in Dusseldorf for the first time since the pandemic started. I would always make it a point to drive down to Sharks for a day or two, but how are things 2 and a half years later?
If I wasn't able to get down there, what's the best club in NRW? Been to a bunch in the past (Living Room, Samya, Babylon, and a couple more I don't remember names to), but none compared to Sharks, so I kept going back.
Hyperion2007
08-30-22, 06:58
Got some business in Dusseldorf for the first time since the pandemic started. I would always make it a point to drive down to Sharks for a day or two, but how are things 2 and a half years later?
If I wasn't able to get down there, what's the best club in NRW? Been to a bunch in the past (Living Room, Samya, Babylon, and a couple more I don't remember names to), but none compared to Sharks, so I kept going back.They were a big party lask weekend in Sharks and it was quite busy with around 80 girls. It's the club with the biggest (and best depending on yor taste) line-up in Germany since the reopening post-COVID.
Around Dusseldorf, Living Room is closed definitely, Samya is frankly not good, Babylon is dying (and not a pretty death, the entry price is rising and the line-up is falling).
Acapulco Gold is probably the best club right now in NRW, with Magnum in second place I would say.
Got some business in Dusseldorf for the first time since the pandemic started. I would always make it a point to drive down to Sharks for a day or two, but how are things 2 and a half years later?
If I wasn't able to get down there, what's the best club in NRW? Been to a bunch in the past (Living Room, Samya, Babylon, and a couple more I don't remember names to), but none compared to Sharks, so I kept going back.If You are not too demanding for beauty, You can find quantity at Sharks. When I m not able to fuck 60 girls on a day, but I need beauty to feel desire and I find prettier elsewhere on this Summer. I would try Gold with few prettiest for half rate, when I can pay 150/60 , when I m not a 30 mn sprinter, but only for fresh natural real GFE beauty.
They were a big party lask weekend in Sharks and it was quite busy with around 80 girls. It's the club with the biggest (and best depending on yor taste) line-up in Germany since the reopening post-COVID.
Around Dusseldorf, Living Room is closed definitely, Samya is frankly not good, Babylon is dying (and not a pretty death, the entry price is rising and the line-up is falling).
Acapulco Gold is probably the best club right now in NRW, with Magnum in second place I would say.You don't know the best club in NRW with few prettiest than at Sharks. And for much less expensive. I m sure can still find few good girls at Samya, like queen of BBBJ Rosa with so cute naturals.
FunExplorer
08-31-22, 09:55
I am planning a three day visit to Dusseldorf. Please let me which are the FKK clubs I must visit among Acapulco Gold, Sauna Club Golden Time and Oceans.
I am curious to know if girls are naked in these clubs like those in Frankfurt.
Also, do please let me know if smoking lounges are separate in these clubs or one can smoke any where like in Sharks.
I am planning a three day visit to Dusseldorf. Please let me which are the FKK clubs I must visit among Acapulco Gold, Sauna Club Golden Time and Oceans.
I am curious to know if girls are naked in these clubs like those in Frankfurt.
Also, do please let me know if smoking lounges are separate in these clubs or one can smoke any where like in Sharks.Except at Babylon Elsdorf or Bernds, both around Koln, in other clubs girls are not naked because NRW is north compare to Hessen. Few prettier girls at Gold than at Sharks, even less quantity. Other places to discover in NRW.
Hyperion2007
09-01-22, 08:19
I am planning a three day visit to Dusseldorf. Please let me which are the FKK clubs I must visit among Acapulco Gold, Sauna Club Golden Time and Oceans.
I am curious to know if girls are naked in these clubs like those in Frankfurt.
Also, do please let me know if smoking lounges are separate in these clubs or one can smoke any where like in Sharks.Around Dusseldorf, the biggest clubs are Acapulco Gold and Magnun.
The ones where you don't want to go are Oceans / GoldenTime and Mondial.
Around Dusseldorf, the biggest clubs are Acapulco Gold and Magnun.
The ones where you don't want to go are Oceans / GoldenTime and Mondial.Golden time is no longer there and LR is apparently closed too!
Oceans can have one or max two stunners and it saved my day few times when Gt, lr failed me, and the rumor is that oceans bought gt and lr, how oceans got the money is mystery as I never seen oceans being full!
Escape Artist
09-02-22, 17:17
I started to rant about this in the Sharks thread but general discussions is probably a better place for it.
I mentioned how the pricing structure in Hessen clubs have bastardized the principles of FKK sauna clubs. Instead of being an environment of gratuitous levels of carnal activity where you fuck with multiple partners in a single day, the scene has devolved to people going to hang out and only doing a single session because the the inflation has priced most people out. With the exception of people visiting from far away and wanting get the most out of their short time, not many people are doing more than a single room, perhaps two rooms. Even the guys who come to clubs every week with the idea of looking for the perfect beauty to do a single room fuck up the FKK sauna club concept. You can monger all over the world but few places offer this type of mongering. Even Brazil, where a similar concept is available, doesn't really foster the concept of fully naked girls running around for you to fuck on a whim as Brazilian clubs don't really offer the short sessions.
I don't think the sky has fallen as in NRW and parts of Austria, price inflation hasn't been as fucked. With Hessen losing the essence of FKK sauna, I hope the trend doesn't extend further. I guess since the idea started in NRW at Bernd's, it's fitting that it remains one of the last hold out areas.
Escape Artist
09-02-22, 19:21
I guess since the idea started in NRW at Bernd's, it's fitting that it remains one of the last hold out areas.NRW, not Bernds.
I started to rant about this in the Sharks thread but general discussions is probably a better place for it.
I mentioned how the pricing structure in Hessen clubs have bastardized the principles of FKK sauna clubs. Instead of being an environment of gratuitous levels of carnal activity where you fuck with multiple partners in a single day, the scene has devolved to people going to hang out and only doing a single session because the the inflation has priced most people out. With the exception of people visiting from far away and wanting get the most out of their short time, not many people are doing more than a single room, perhaps two rooms. Even the guys who come to clubs every week with the idea of looking for the perfect beauty to do a single room fuck up the FKK sauna club concept. You can monger all over the world but few places offer this type of mongering. Even Brazil, where a similar concept is available, doesn't really foster the concept of fully naked girls running around for you to fuck on a whim as Brazilian clubs don't really offer the short sessions.
I don't think the sky has fallen as in NRW and parts of Austria, price inflation hasn't been as fucked. With Hessen losing the essence of FKK sauna, I hope the trend doesn't extend further. I guess since the idea started in NRW at Bernd's, it's fitting that it remains one of the last hold out areas.I think 100 euro per 30 min is still bargain price for what we get in the room though, in real life you going to have to invest more time, money, efforts, nerves etc to get it and it is not sure thing!
I used to be able to do 5 to 7 sessions with all cums in room in my early 30's, but when I reached around 35, then it decreases to 3 to 5 sessions in one day with all cum and now 3 to 4 sessions in one day all with cum, so I do think it is more clients of FKK being older because pandemic took out some of the young clients and I add that line up of FKK declined! I have hard time finding the stunner level girl since 2015 !
Golden time is no longer there and LR is apparently closed too!
Oceans can have one or max two stunners and it saved my day few times when Gt, lr failed me, and the rumor is that oceans bought gt and lr, how oceans got the money is mystery as I never seen oceans being full!The question is what did Oceans buy? The building of GT was burned down to the ground and essentially it was a lot full of scrap. So it almost should be that GT should be paying rent to host its club at Oceans which apparently never took off and all the girls scattered or disappeared back to Romania or Germany.
Escape Artist
09-03-22, 04:05
I think 100 euro per 30 min is still bargain price for what we get in the room though, in real life you going to have to invest more time, money, efforts, nerves etc to get it and it is not sure thing!
I do think it is more clients of FKK being older because pandemic took out some of the young clients and I add that line up of FKK declined!100 e for half hour is pretty average for Europe when private visits are usually 150 e to 200 e per hour and you don't have to pay entry.
If you think the Hessen rates are great, I implore people to visit disco brothels in Spain or Brazil for the same prices and let Germany rates stay Germany rates.
In Hessen FKK sauna clubs, the subject of the gripe, the clientele actually got much younger. They are more heavily populated by young guys drinking and partying at night and doing single rooms. Daytime remains older especially on discount days but those guys on their fixed incomes are definitely not doing more rooms.
Point remains, FKKs Sauna clubs were designed for quantity, not guys looking for a single room because the cost is prohibitive. Nor is the intent of the FKKs for a guy to do a single room with his most elegant beauty. It's about fucking, and fucking a lot.
Hessen FKKs are evolving into simple brothels with one-room guys and naive, horny tourists.
The question is what did Oceans buy? The building of GT was burned down to the ground and essentially it was a lot full of scrap. So it almost should be that GT should be paying rent to host its club at Oceans which apparently never took off and all the girls scattered or disappeared back to Romania or Germany.The license to operate brothel maybe, but Oceans was never busy club, so I wonder where the owner got the money from?
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Hyperion2007
09-03-22, 08:17
Golden time is no longer there and LR is apparently closed too!
Oceans can have one or max two stunners and it saved my day few times when Gt, lr failed me, and the rumor is that oceans bought gt and lr, how oceans got the money is mystery as I never seen oceans being full!Oceans have rebranded itself as "Oceans / GoldenTime" now, they have the two name. That's a scam of course but I imagine that they arrive to dupe some customers.
Hyperion2007
09-03-22, 08:36
I started to rant about this in the Sharks thread but general discussions is probably a better place for it.
I mentioned how the pricing structure in Hessen clubs have bastardized the principles of FKK sauna clubs. Instead of being an environment of gratuitous levels of carnal activity where you fuck with multiple partners in a single day, the scene has devolved to people going to hang out and only doing a single session because the the inflation has priced most people out. With the exception of people visiting from far away and wanting get the most out of their short time, not many people are doing more than a single room, perhaps two rooms. Even the guys who come to clubs every week with the idea of looking for the perfect beauty to do a single room fuck up the FKK sauna club concept. You can monger all over the world but few places offer this type of mongering. Even Brazil, where a similar concept is available, doesn't really foster the concept of fully naked girls running around for you to fuck on a whim as Brazilian clubs don't really offer the short sessions.
I don't think the sky has fallen as in NRW and parts of Austria, price inflation hasn't been as fucked. With Hessen losing the essence of FKK sauna, I hope the trend doesn't extend further. I guess since the idea started in NRW at Bernd's, it's fitting that it remains one of the last hold out areas.I was overly sarcastic in the other thread but I understand where you come from and evidently I would love to see a session at 5030 or even 6030 like in Sixsens / Babylon.
But something seems working in Sharks despite all the doom and gloom because it's still the biggest line-up in Germany and the Wednesdays and weekends are great (and yes the Mondays, Tuesdays and Thursdays are dead, like in any other club right now, but you still have 40 girls in those days, how many clubs can say that?
The most interesting thing for me in your post is the fact that you think "not many people are doing more than a single room", when absolutely nobody that I know is doing less than two and the vast majority more. In fact I'm the one that do the less rooms per day (2 usually), but because I always stay at least three days.
Escape Artist
09-03-22, 20:26
I was overly sarcastic in the other thread but I understand where you come from and evidently I would love to see a session at 5030 or even 6030 like in Sixsens / Babylon.
But something seems working in Sharks despite all the doom and gloom because it's still the biggest line-up in Germany and the Wednesdays and weekends are great (and yes the Mondays, Tuesdays and Thursdays are dead, like in any other club right now, but you still have 40 girls in those days, how many clubs can say that?
The most interesting thing for me in your post is the fact that you think "not many people are doing more than a single room", when absolutely nobody that I know is doing less than two and the vast majority more. In fact I'm the one that do the less rooms per day (2 usually), but because I always stay at least three days.Well if you stay for 3 days, I assume you come from out of town and fall under the horny tourist group. The single roomers were meant to describe locals.
Remember, I never said that the club at its current state wouldn't attract customers or a large line up. I said that it is destroying the concept of FKK sauna club.
So yes, if the girls can make more money per room, I'the imagine hot girls would definitely want to work there so long as they get enough rooms to make the difference. And that worsens and spreads the problem. Of course girls want to make more money for less work, so these Hessen clubs will continue to draw the best talent from other areas that still offer the true FKK concept. The quality in other areas will suffer due to what's happening in Hessen.
Brothels can be found all over the world. Why ruin FKK concept unique to Germany?
Oceans have rebranded itself as "Oceans / GoldenTime" now, they have the two name. That's a scam of course but I imagine that they arrive to dupe some customers.They are fully right when they own GT licence.
They are fully right when they own GT licence.Seems like a bad deal to take three licenses (Oceans, LR, and GT) and compress them down to one consolidated location which makes less money.
Hyperion2007
09-04-22, 07:39
Well if you stay for 3 days, I assume you come from out of town and fall under the horny tourist group. The single roomers were meant to describe locals.It's been a long time since I'm not a tourist anymore in Sharks and the other people that I see pretty much every weeks are the same.
If there is an hypothetical shift that have been caused by the price hike it's not a shift in "the true FKK concept", the men that come here still fuck all the girls that they can possibly do, it's a shift in the economical status of the customers. And even that is hypothetical, I see all type of people in the club.
The only people that I see that responds to your description is the turkish that came in the clubs to party with their friends, it seems that the majority of them do only one girls (when they do one).
And concerning that "true FKK concept", the only one that I know of is that the women should be fully naked. You still have some ancient who cry about that, those who listens to them just smile and go their way, I imagine that it will be the same for the price hike in some years.
Maybe they are conserving gas to heat hot water due to the Russian gas crisis and and thus limiting themselves to one room and only one shower. Or possibly two showers (one prezimmer and one nachzimmer shower).
Well if you stay for 3 days, I assume you come from out of town and fall under the horny tourist group. The single roomers were meant to describe locals.
Remember, I never said that the club at its current state wouldn't attract customers or a large line up. I said that it is destroying the concept of FKK sauna club.
So yes, if the girls can make more money per room, I'the imagine hot girls would definitely want to work there so long as they get enough rooms to make the difference. And that worsens and spreads the problem. Of course girls want to make more money for less work, so these Hessen clubs will continue to draw the best talent from other areas that still offer the true FKK concept. The quality in other areas will suffer due to what's happening in Hessen.
Brothels can be found all over the world. Why ruin FKK concept unique to Germany?
Oceans have rebranded itself as "Oceans / GoldenTime" now, they have the two name. That's a scam of course but I imagine that they arrive to dupe some customers.The number of people visiting FKK is limited. Unless they got it for a price of peanut, I fail to see the business case of for Ocean to acquire GoldenTime as they are very close to each other.
The main problem of an international punters to visit many German FKK because it is not easily accessible by public transport. You will either need to rent a car or pay a taxi which will reduce the attractiveness of visiting FKK. Is it not better to built a new FKK in another location which is easily accessible by public transport?. Not necessarily in the city centre, as the price of land is very expensive, but close to city centre with easily accessible by public transport will be a good choice.
Another one is to move to other cities like Berlin. Currently Artemis does not have direct FKK competitor. Artemis only competitors is Brothels, Hobby Huren, parties, Swingers Club, Night clubs, etc. This makes the FKK Artemis one of the most expensive FKK in Germany where in fact the cost of Living in Berlin is lower than other cities in Germany. FKK Artenis mskes a smart move making money from international tourists as most of international tourists do not feel to have been visiting Germany without visiting Berlin. Also it is close to city centre and is easily accessible by 24/7 public transport.
If this FKK management such as Ocean try to built a new FKK in Berlin rather than just acquiring GT, they might be more successful.
Steve 9696
09-04-22, 14:50
The number of people visiting FKK is limited. Unless they got it for a price of peanut, I fail to see the business case of for Ocean to acquire GoldenTime as they are very close to each other.
The main problem of an international punters to visit many German FKK because it is not easily accessible by public transport. You will either need to rent a car or pay a taxi which will reduce the attractiveness of visiting FKK. Is it not better to built a new FKK in another location which is easily accessible by public transport?. Not necessarily in the city centre, as the price of land is very expensive, but close to city centre with easily accessible by public transport will be a good choice.
Another one is to move to other cities like Berlin. Currently Artemis does not have direct FKK competitor. Artemis only competitors is Brothels, Hobby Huren, parties, Swingers Club, Night clubs, etc. This makes the FKK Artemis one of the most expensive FKK in Germany where in fact the cost of Living in Berlin is lower than other cities in Germany. FKK Artenis mskes a smart move making money from international tourists as most of international tourists do not feel to have been visiting Germany without visiting Berlin. Also it is close to city centre and is easily accessible by 24/7 public transport.
If this FKK management such as Ocean try to built a new FKK in Berlin rather than just acquiring GT, they might be more successful.Actually Artemis pricing was changed when I was there a couple months ago. Now a bit cheaper for what most guys want — covered sex and BBBJ. Yes it's 70/ half for vanilla. But only 20 more for BBBJ — or 90/ half. I was surprised.
But of course your right. It is a monopoly which is unfortunate.
Escape Artist
09-04-22, 16:21
It's been a long time since I'm not a tourist anymore in Sharks and the other people that I see pretty much every weeks are the same.
If there is an hypothetical shift that have been caused by the price hike it's not a shift in "the true FKK concept", the men that come here still fuck all the girls that they can possibly do, it's a shift in the economical status of the customers. And even that is hypothetical, I see all type of people in the club.
The only people that I see that responds to your description is the turkish that came in the clubs to party with their friends, it seems that the majority of them do only one girls (when they do one).
And concerning that "true FKK concept", the only one that I know of is that the women should be fully naked. You still have some ancient who cry about that, those who listens to them just smile and go their way, I imagine that it will be the same for the price hike in some years.Sorry, out-of-town visitor can be substituted if "tourist" seems condescending to you.
The biggest shift in demographic I've see are more young ethnically middle eastern men there to party. I don't think that was an economic shift to more affluent people. Those are the clientele that far outnumber the rest as the club makes most of it's entry money at night when those guys are there.
FKK Sauna club concept is not the same as FKK. FKK means nude but FKK Sauna Club was the concept conceived at Bernd's decades ago where public sex with multiple women was the norm. That concept has gradually been diluted but the current state of Hessen clubs only nominally channels that concept.
I mean, we can reason paying more money all we want to feel better about paying more, but the fact remains, Hessen clubs are now more brothels than FKK sauna clubs. I'm not sure if you were in clubs over 10 years ago but even Hessen was different. If the current state is what you want, that's cool, but there's no denying that it's lost what it once was.
Seems like a bad deal to take three licenses (Oceans, LR, and GT) and compress them down to one consolidated location which makes less money.They own only GT, not LR license. GT is on day until 11 pm and Oceans after. Only 1 entry 60 for both clubs.
Dcrist0527
09-06-22, 00:53
Greetings, gentlemen. I'm an experienced monger throughout Latin America. I'm very interested in trying out FKKs. I've read many of the forums. And I have maybe an odd question. As my monger experiences have evolved, I have come to enjoy the hunt. I've never been to an FKK so zero intelligence. My question: during the down times, are there interactions with the girls? Obviously, they are there to make money. And I have no intentions of paying them $70+ to sit and talk. But do the interactions ever last more than a 3-minute intro? I'm not a trophy hunter and I'm willing to sacrifice looks for a bit of chemistry. Is there a specific FKK that might fit that profile more than others?
Thanks in advance.
Greetings, gentlemen. I'm an experienced monger throughout Latin America. I'm very interested in trying out FKKs. I've read many of the forums. And I have maybe an odd question. As my monger experiences have evolved, I have come to enjoy the hunt. I've never been to an FKK so zero intelligence. My question: during the down times, are there interactions with the girls? Obviously, they are there to make money. And I have no intentions of paying them $70+ to sit and talk. But do the interactions ever last more than a 3-minute intro? I'm not a trophy hunter and I'm willing to sacrifice looks for a bit of chemistry. Is there a specific FKK that might fit that profile more than others?
Thanks in advance.You are too late for Living Room.
Greetings, gentlemen. I'm an experienced monger throughout Latin America. I'm very interested in trying out FKKs. I've read many of the forums. And I have maybe an odd question. As my monger experiences have evolved, I have come to enjoy the hunt. I've never been to an FKK so zero intelligence. My question: during the down times, are there interactions with the girls? Obviously, they are there to make money. And I have no intentions of paying them $70+ to sit and talk. But do the interactions ever last more than a 3-minute intro? I'm not a trophy hunter and I'm willing to sacrifice looks for a bit of chemistry. Is there a specific FKK that might fit that profile more than others?
Thanks in advance.
In FKK there is no such kind of rip off ladies drink, like when you visit a night club. That makes it FKK a unique experience, you could spend the whole day / night watching ladies with sexy lingerie sometimes naked without being pushed to spend more money. You pay EUR40-70 (in average EUR 50 depending on FKK) for half hour for their services in the bedroom, you pay nothing chatting with them in the bar / showroom.
As a general rule (if not all) the FKK girls are not allowed to be pushy by the management. In some FKKs there is even a no approach policy. So in order for them to approach you and sitting next to you, you will need to be the first mover. You could for instance, keep an eye contact, beckon her on the right time.
But certainly there are some sharks who will try their best if they know that you are new. What you will need to do is just to talk nicely for a few minutes and try to signal that you are not interested. If it does not work just try to make an accuse such as go to the toilet, want to look for your friends, take some foods, take some drinks. There are many accuses you could think of without being rude they will see the signal if you are not interested.
In FKK there is no such kind of rip off ladies drink, like when you visit a night club. That makes it FKK a unique experience, you could spend the whole day / night watching ladies with sexy lingerie sometimes naked without being pushed to spend more money. You pay EUR40-70 (in average EUR 50 depending on FKK) for half hour for their services in the bedroom, you pay nothing chatting with them in the bar / showroom.
As a general rule (if not all) the FKK girls are not allowed to be pushy by the management. In some FKKs there is even a no approach policy. So in order for them to approach you and sitting next to you, you will need to be the first mover. You could for instance, keep an eye contact, beckon her on the right time.
But certainly there are some sharks who will try their best if they know that you are new. What you will need to do is just to talk nicely for a few minutes and try to signal that you are not interested. If it does not work just try to make an accuse such as go to the toilet, want to look for your friends, take some foods, take some drinks. There are many accuses you could think of without being rude they will see the signal if you are not interested.I m pretty sure Globe ask their girls to ask for drink, when many ask now, maybe because less entries than before, despite porn events to attract voyeurs. Some clubs close to french border are known as picolo clubs. I hate to pay for alcohol, when I much prefer cyprine tasting sticky honey.
I don't take a watch into the room with me to make a point of making the girl aware of the time, but I am curious if anyone else does? When I was in FKK's at the weekend I was, on occasion, observing times girls were being taken to rooms and they nearly always appeared again between 15-20 minutes later. What is your opinion on this, does it not matter as long as you had a good time and received the expected service or do you feel slightly cheated if you do but feel later that you should have had the full time? Do you have a strategy to ensure total VFM? If so maybe it is the same as mine?
I don't take a watch into the room with me to make a point of making the girl aware of the time, but I am curious if anyone else does? When I was in FKK's at the weekend I was, on occasion, observing times girls were being taken to rooms and they nearly always appeared again between 15-20 minutes later. What is your opinion on this, does it not matter as long as you had a good time and received the expected service or do you feel slightly cheated if you do but feel later that you should have had the full time? Do you have a strategy to ensure total VFM? If so maybe it is the same as mine?I usually wear a watch when out and about at all times just to keep track of time for my own benefit. So yes, when I go to the room I will have my watch on. Sometimes I take it off in the room, and sometimes not. But, I always have a watch with me. And I will wear a nice one too so that the girls will see me as someone with money LOL! I've received many compliments on my watches from Romanian tutes. One at World said she would fuck me for my watch. I informed her that she would have to fuck several times a week for a year in order to get any consideration for the watch haha! Then another hottie at Samya asked me if I would give her my watch after we had finished screwing. I laughed in her face LOL! Then there was the infamous "Alexandra" or "Alexandria" at Palace who decided to insult me by saying that my watch was fake when I turned her down for a session hehehe! But yes, I take a watch with me to the room because I always have one with me anyway, and it does provide a side benefit in that I can use it to track the time. I don't do that formally or make some show of doing that to send some message to the girl, but yes having it there helps in that regard.
FunExplorer
09-06-22, 16:42
Thank you Sirioja. So you would not advocate my visiting Oceans and GT at all? What other options I have? What about Cologne? Is it worthwhile spending a day there?
I have to depend upon public transportation and therefore cannot travel to remote areas. What about Sky Sauna? Is it worth visiting? Please advise.
Except at Babylon Elsdorf or Bernds, both around Koln, in other clubs girls are not naked because NRW is north compare to Hessen. Few prettier girls at Gold than at Sharks, even less quantity. Other places to discover in NRW.
FunExplorer
09-06-22, 16:44
Does it mean GT closes after 11 PM, while Oceans opens at 11 PM? Is it not worthwhile visiting these two clubs if entrance is only Euro 60? Are the girls naked in these clubs?
Appreciate feedback.
They own only GT, not LR license. GT is on day until 11 pm and Oceans after. Only 1 entry 60 for both clubs.
I don't take a watch into the room with me to make a point of making the girl aware of the time, but I am curious if anyone else does? When I was in FKK's at the weekend I was, on occasion, observing times girls were being taken to rooms and they nearly always appeared again between 15-20 minutes later. What is your opinion on this, does it not matter as long as you had a good time and received the expected service or do you feel slightly cheated if you do but feel later that you should have had the full time? Do you have a strategy to ensure total VFM? If so maybe it is the same as mine?I usually take a watch with me but it is only for me to know the exact time I was in the room with the girl. I stopped arguing with girls over time; for me it made no sense. I just moved on to the next girl as management would not assist. But at 100/30 and 200/60 to be short timed would be quite agonizing.
I don't take a watch into the room with me to make a point of making the girl aware of the time, but I am curious if anyone else does? When I was in FKK's at the weekend I was, on occasion, observing times girls were being taken to rooms and they nearly always appeared again between 15-20 minutes later. What is your opinion on this, does it not matter as long as you had a good time and received the expected service or do you feel slightly cheated if you do but feel later that you should have had the full time? Do you have a strategy to ensure total VFM? If so maybe it is the same as mine?I have watch, to try not to play whole night. When I saw my so fresh, virgin look, immaculate body, no tattoo, milky skin, Swiss, on our 2 rooms, I decided not to look at watch but just enjoy contemplating and tasting such beauty, but when I was driving on Swiss autobahns after, I was so furious I paid 510/90, but repeated exactly same, for great pleasure with such rare fresh beauty.
Escape Artist
09-06-22, 20:11
I don't take a watch into the room with me to make a point of making the girl aware of the time, but I am curious if anyone else does? When I was in FKK's at the weekend I was, on occasion, observing times girls were being taken to rooms and they nearly always appeared again between 15-20 minutes later. What is your opinion on this, does it not matter as long as you had a good time and received the expected service or do you feel slightly cheated if you do but feel later that you should have had the full time? Do you have a strategy to ensure total VFM? If so maybe it is the same as mine?Not to keep track of shorted time but rather to know if the girl claims that we went over time.
A girl's not going to tell you to stop mid-stroke due to time so I assume any shorted time will be after you finish. In that instance, if a girl rushes me out and doesn't want a cool down / small talk period, I'm not going to argue to stay in a room with a girl who wants to leave.
I don't take a watch into the room with me to make a point of making the girl aware of the time, but I am curious if anyone else does? When I was in FKK's at the weekend I was, on occasion, observing times girls were being taken to rooms and they nearly always appeared again between 15-20 minutes later. What is your opinion on this, does it not matter as long as you had a good time and received the expected service or do you feel slightly cheated if you do but feel later that you should have had the full time? Do you have a strategy to ensure total VFM? If so maybe it is the same as mine?Yes I have a great Casio from Walmart which beeps every time the chronograph is triggered so it alerts the provider so she knows that I know that she knows the full time will be had.
Steve 9696
09-06-22, 21:30
I usually take a watch with me but it is only for me to know the exact time I was in the room with the girl. I stopped arguing with girls over time; for me it made no sense. I just moved on to the next girl as management would not assist. But at 100/30 and 200/60 to be short timed would be quite agonizing.I always wear one. But it's for me to manage my orgasm not to argue w the girl. I might glance and if I'm feeling like it's coming on and I'm only 20 minutes in then I might switch up positions or otherwise delay a bit so as to not be done too soon. But when I'm done I'm done. I probably won't linger the last five minutes if I finish at 25 minutes say.
Fwiw I never take off my wedding ring either. When I’m with an escort or even a Seeking girl. I’m always transparent there. Only been a problem maybe 2% of the time and that is with Seeking newbies.
Steve 9696
09-06-22, 21:42
Greetings, gentlemen. I'm an experienced monger throughout Latin America. I'm very interested in trying out FKKs. I've read many of the forums. And I have maybe an odd question. As my monger experiences have evolved, I have come to enjoy the hunt. I've never been to an FKK so zero intelligence. My question: during the down times, are there interactions with the girls? Obviously, they are there to make money. And I have no intentions of paying them $70+ to sit and talk. But do the interactions ever last more than a 3-minute intro? I'm not a trophy hunter and I'm willing to sacrifice looks for a bit of chemistry. Is there a specific FKK that might fit that profile more than others?
Thanks in advance.You should prob set your expectations for significant pre-room interaction low if you have been to Scandallo in Brazil say. At an FKK I think you May get 5-10 minutes max of convo. You might extend it by saying I definitely plan to take you to the room but let's talk some first. The girls just don't want to waste time. Most will be a three minute chat and "do you want to go to the room".
So if you have been to Scandallo this is going to be disappointing. I've definitely danced and kissed for one and up to two hours before the room at Scandallo. That is def NOT happening at FKK. Don't get me wrong FKK is awesome. But plan on bro time or alone time between sessions. It's not a convivial atmosphere like Scandallo or Bomboa or The like.
But u can def find chemistry with a tier two girl. I had an AMAZING time with a girl at Sharks who had an amazing face but was thick thru the body. Well who the fuck cares cuz that girl worships dick! I got her a bit worked up with DATY but she was absolutely a demon on BJ. She would just stare in admiration at my balls and then make a sloppy mess of them. Omg. Really top notch. And DFK like u mean it. Had her wear her 9” heels and put on her fave Romanian tunes for a second meetup the next day and wowza. One of the best FKK experiences ever.
You should prob set your expectations for significant pre-room interaction low if you have been to Scandallo in Brazil say. At an FKK I think you May get 5-10 minutes max of convo. You might extend it by saying I definitely plan to take you to the room but let's talk some first. The girls just don't want to waste time. Most will be a three minute chat and "do you want to go to the room".
So if you have been to Scandallo this is going to be disappointing. I've definitely danced and kissed for one and up to two hours before the room at Scandallo. That is def NOT happening at FKK. Don't get me wrong FKK is awesome. But plan on bro time or alone time between sessions. It's not a convivial atmosphere like Scandallo or Bomboa or The like.
But u can def find chemistry with a tier two girl. I had an AMAZING time with a girl at Sharks who had an amazing face but was thick thru the body. Well who the fuck cares cuz that girl worships dick! I got her a bit worked up with DATY but she was absolutely a demon on BJ. She would just stare in admiration at my balls and then make a sloppy mess of them. Omg. Really top notch. And DFK like u mean it. Had her wear her 9 heels and put on her fave Romanian tunes for a second meetup the next day and wowza. One of the best FKK experiences ever.First question what is a "Boate" and second how much are the rates at Scandallo and the anal upcharge rate also.
Dcrist0527
09-06-22, 22:59
You should prob set your expectations for significant pre-room interaction low if you have been to Scandallo in Brazil say. At an FKK I think you May get 5-10 minutes max of convo. You might extend it by saying I definitely plan to take you to the room but let's talk some first. The girls just don't want to waste time. Most will be a three minute chat and "do you want to go to the room".
So if you have been to Scandallo this is going to be disappointing. I've definitely danced and kissed for one and up to two hours before the room at Scandallo. That is def NOT happening at FKK. Don't get me wrong FKK is awesome. But plan on bro time or alone time between sessions. It's not a convivial atmosphere like Scandallo or Bomboa or The like.
But u can def find chemistry with a tier two girl. I had an AMAZING time with a girl at Sharks who had an amazing face but was thick thru the body. Well who the fuck cares cuz that girl worships dick! I got her a bit worked up with DATY but she was absolutely a demon on BJ. She would just stare in admiration at my balls and then make a sloppy mess of them. Omg. Really top notch. And DFK like u mean it. Had her wear her 9 heels and put on her fave Romanian tunes for a second meetup the next day and wowza. One of the best FKK experiences ever.Thanks for the advice. That was exactly what I was inquiring about. Might rethink my plans. I might be chasing that unicorn. LOL I do not like paying 2 or 3 times the normal rate per drink for a girl. But I want the time. I totally understand time is money for them. I'll admit I'm an odd duck. But I like to sit and chill with the right girl for an hour or two and then head to the room. I've found that's my sweet spot. I'm an ugly mofo so I need to put them at ease. I know it's not a requirement and they'll bang me regardless. But I'm out for quality, not quantity.
I still might make the trip just to experience FKK. So I do really appreciate your response so I can calibrate.
Comrade P. Has stopped all future gas shipments to Germany. This will be very cold in a few months and could destroy the economy of Germany and / or at least wreck havac on the FKK scene since no showers will be available.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/06/energy-crisis-why-has-russia-cut-off-gas-supplies-to-europe.html
Comrade P. Has stopped all future gas shipments to Germany. This will be very cold in a few months and could destroy the economy of Germany and / or at least wreck havac on the FKK scene since no showers will be available.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/06/energy-crisis-why-has-russia-cut-off-gas-supplies-to-europe.htmlFKK rely heavily on gas heating during winter. To be used for Heating in the meeting room, Bedroom, Hot Shower especially when people are naked. So it will not be good for us visitors and the owner FKK. Less peole visiting FKK will cause [problem of their existence.
FKK rely heavily on gas heating during winter. To be used for Heating in the meeting room, Bedroom, Hot Shower especially when people are naked. So it will not be good for us visitors and the owner FKK. Less peole visiting FKK will cause [problemoftheirexistence.Shower water was not hot at Sharks on last Thursday, when quite warm weather. In France, many public swimming pool are closed.
Shower water was not hot at Sharks on last Thursday, when quite warm weather. In France, many public swimming pool are closed.This calls for a litium ion battery powered heat gun in order to prevent shower shinkage due to cold temps.
Hi everyone,
Looking for the hottest lineup in Europe.
Visiting Dusseldorf and willing to travel. Don't care of it's an FKK, Sauna club, bordell, RLD, etc.
Ideally want to walk in and have a room full of beauties. Not looking for "value," looking for beauty.
Been to many; usually disappointed in the options but eventually find a gem or a women worth spending time with.
Best places I've been to in the past have been Sharks, Globe in Zurich, and the RLD in Bocum around 7:00 PM one night had some surprisingly good options.
To be fair, most places I've had to visit on a weekday.
Thanks for any direction.
Hi everyone,
Looking for the hottest lineup in Europe.
Visiting Dusseldorf and willing to travel. Don't care of it's an FKK, Sauna club, bordell, RLD, etc.
Ideally want to walk in and have a room full of beauties. Not looking for "value," looking for beauty.
Been to many; usually disappointed in the options but eventually find a gem or a women worth spending time with.
Best places I've been to in the past have been Sharks, Globe in Zurich, and the RLD in Bocum around 7:00 PM one night had some surprisingly good options.
To be fair, most places I've had to visit on a weekday.
Thanks for any direction.Visit on Friday or Saturday on best casting days. No wow casting club, but can still find few pretties.
Escape Artist
09-09-22, 17:03
Hi everyone,
Looking for the hottest lineup in Europe.
Visiting Dusseldorf and willing to travel. Don't care of it's an FKK, Sauna club, bordell, RLD, etc.
Ideally want to walk in and have a room full of beauties. Not looking for "value," looking for beauty.
Been to many; usually disappointed in the options but eventually find a gem or a women worth spending time with.
Best places I've been to in the past have been Sharks, Globe in Zurich, and the RLD in Bocum around 7:00 PM one night had some surprisingly good options.
To be fair, most places I've had to visit on a weekday.
Thanks for any direction."Hottest Line Up in Europe".
Best I can advise is that you're not going to find it in Dusseldorf, Germany.
Otherwise, if looking for great optics, you could add Welcum in southern Austria to your list.
I don't think it exists near thesseldorf or I'm just too poor to have access to a place with 'a room full of beauties'. Your best bet is still sharks, oase, globe or wellcum.
Hi everyone,
Looking for the hottest lineup in Europe.
Visiting Dusseldorf and willing to travel. Don't care of it's an FKK, Sauna club, bordell, RLD, etc.
Ideally want to walk in and have a room full of beauties. Not looking for "value," looking for beauty.
Been to many; usually disappointed in the options but eventually find a gem or a women worth spending time with.
Best places I've been to in the past have been Sharks, Globe in Zurich, and the RLD in Bocum around 7:00 PM one night had some surprisingly good options.
To be fair, most places I've had to visit on a weekday.
Thanks for any direction.
FunExplorer
09-10-22, 09:40
Has any one visited FKK Village?
The place looks attractive and luxurious. Any recent experiences?
I don't think it exists near thesseldorf or I'm just too poor to have access to a place with 'a room full of beauties'. Your best bet is still sharks, oase, globe or wellcum.Sharks casting is really low level, even on Friday and not worthing 100/30. Oase is worse. Most of Globe girls don't worth 150/30 with their look. Gold and Penelope if You know a bit are much better value. If you want to play porn, go to Globe. For silicon, Globe and Wellcum.
If you want to play porn, go to Globe.Does this mean that the girls at Globe will do more porn-like things than girls at other FKKs? Or that the look more porn-like?
Does this mean that the girls at Globe will do more porn-like things than girls at other FKKs? Or that the look more porn-like?Some are for both. At Globe, You can fuck girls like pieces of meat in public to try to get less frustration about women, when You can t enjoy with normal women in real life, because You have complex about your size or You are not able with women. And girls are driven by club rules.
I always wear one. But it's for me to manage my orgasm not to argue w the girl. I might glance and if I'm feeling like it's coming on and I'm only 20 minutes in then I might switch up positions or otherwise delay a bit so as to not be done too soon. But when I'm done I'm done. I probably won't linger the last five minutes if I finish at 25 minutes say.
.This is exactly what I did. It is just for myself.
For those who takes their watches, avoid to bring an expensive watch or Jewellery to FKK. Just buy a cheap Japanese watches for less than EUR100, but keep relatively an accurate time.
Just remember, when you get in Sauna Cabin, you will need to remove all of them before entering the cabin. In many cases they have places or racks where you could put your reading glasses. But keep this does not mean it could always be under your surveillance.
I lost my expensive Swiss watch in Germany, not in FKK but in a Flat rate Partytrefft in Berlin which by coincidence also has Sauna in it, so I needed to remove it before entering sauna. That is where I learnt the hard lesson.
Ust be aware.
Hi everyone,
Looking for the hottest lineup in Europe.
Visiting Dusseldorf and willing to travel. Don't care of it's an FKK, Sauna club, bordell, RLD, etc.
Ideally want to walk in and have a room full of beauties. Not looking for "value," looking for beauty.
Been to many; usually disappointed in the options but eventually find a gem or a women worth spending time with.
Best places I've been to in the past have been Sharks, Globe in Zurich, and the RLD in Bocum around 7:00 PM one night had some surprisingly good options.
To be fair, most places I've had to visit on a weekday.
Thanks for any direction.
In General FKKs have the hot line-up of above average compared to other brothels in the world. Your definition of hot might not be the same with other people definition. FKK is to cater the needs of diverse customers, not to meet the need for a particular person. For that sensible reason you will never ever find a big brothels full of line-up that meets your criteria of hot in any Brothel around the world. Thy might be hot based on other people criteria but might not be hot based on your own criteria.
Also you said you usually disappointed in the options in many cases as you are looking the hottest based on your own criteria.
The best things to do is to seek through particular websites for courtesans, high class prostitutes. Could you name the figures you are willing to pay?
They could also be flown to your countries, delivered to your hotel bed as long as yo are willing to pay. The question here is that, how much are you willing to pay. There are a lot of agents are willing to help you.
Mongerer88
09-11-22, 17:13
Yes, excellent post. Although I am not sure how many of the hottest ladies need an agent.
The sex work world is full of independent escorts with their own websites and a Twitter presence who see a few customers a week at a very high price per hour, often getting references from other ladies the guy has seen for her safety. The Seeking Arrangement also allows the hottest women to choose among wealthy customers.
I don't understand how someone could think there could be a house full of the hottest women imaginable waiting around together for someone to show up and pay them a relatively low price per hour.
To the extent that happens, there are some level of inefficiencies involved. Generally, the women do not have access to entering a better system than the one I just described. In Barcelona, before it got shut down, there was a truly fantastic little place with beautiful, busty, friendly South American ladies, mostly from Venezuela. The place did not have an address above the door. I strongly suspect many were Visa Overstayers, which likely contributed to the place suddenly closing years ago.
In general, younger ladies are more attractive than older ladies, and often less demanding at first when it comes to money. So if a system like the FKKs attracts younger ladies, that is part of the battle. And the FKKs have the advantage that if enough customers exist, the lady can fuck herself to some level of prosperity though hard work every day.
But the simple fact of the matter is that younger women have better access to technology than ever before, so brothel and FKK work in the sex industry is simply less appealing than in prior years. She can probably make far more through a combination of independent escorting, Sugar Daddies, Escort agency work, and OnlyFans. Even Romanian High School girls can learn that reading on their smart phones. The FKKs still have the advantage that some level of capital is still required for a lady to enter the industry in most respects, but no capital is required to start at an FKK or a brothel.
But there is no doubt that there has been a deterioration of young talent at fixed-location, multi-lady incalls worldwide. When all a lady needs is a smartphone, an advertisement, and a little trick pad she can share with a few other girls (or access to transportation to go to the customer or Sugar Daddy), many are going to choose that route. And realistically, that doesn't require much capital.
So the guy asking about a brothel full of the world's hottest women should factor some of these things into his thinking.
In General FKKs have the hot line-up of above average compared to other brothels in the world. Your definition of hot might not be the same with other people definition. FKK is to cater the needs of diverse customers, not to meet the need for a particular person. For that sensible reason you will never ever find a big brothels full of line-up that meets your criteria of hot in any Brothel around the world. Thy might be hot based on other people criteria but might not be hot based on your own criteria.
Also you said you usually disappointed in the options in many cases as you are looking the hottest based on your own criteria.
The best things to do is to seek through particular websites for courtesans, high class prostitutes. Could you name the figures you are willing to pay?
They could also be flown to your countries, delivered to your hotel bed as long as yo are willing to pay. The question here is that, how much are you willing to pay. There are a lot of agents are willing to help you.
Yes, excellent post. Although I am not sure how many of the hottest ladies need an agent.
The sex work world is full of independent escorts with their own websites and a Twitter presence who see a few customers a week at a very high price per hour, often getting references from other ladies the guy has seen for her safety. The Seeking Arrangement also allows the hottest women to choose among wealthy customers.
I don't understand how someone could think there could be a house full of the hottest women imaginable waiting around together for someone to show up and pay them a relatively low price per hour.
To the extent that happens, there are some level of inefficiencies involved. Generally, the women do not have access to entering a better system than the one I just described. In Barcelona, before it got shut down, there was a truly fantastic little place with beautiful, busty, friendly South American ladies, mostly from Venezuela. The place did not have an address above the door. I strongly suspect many were Visa Overstayers, which likely contributed to the place suddenly closing years ago.
In general, younger ladies are more attractive than older ladies, and often less demanding at first when it comes to money. So if a system like the FKKs attracts younger ladies, that is part of the battle. And the FKKs have the advantage that if enough customers exist, the lady can fuck herself to some level of prosperity though hard work every day.
But the simple fact of the matter is that younger women have better access to technology than ever before, so brothel and FKK work in the sex industry is simply less appealing than in prior years. She can probably make far more through a combination of independent escorting, Sugar Daddies, Escort agency work, and OnlyFans. Even Romanian High School girls can learn that reading on their smart phones. The FKKs still have the advantage that some level of capital is still required for a lady to enter the industry in most respects, but no capital is required to start at an FKK or a brothel.
But there is no doubt that there has been a deterioration of young talent at fixed-location, multi-lady incalls worldwide. When all a lady needs is a smartphone, an advertisement, and a little trick pad she can share with a few other girls (or access to transportation to go to the customer or Sugar Daddy), many are going to choose that route. And realistically, that doesn't require much capital.
So the guy asking about a brothel full of the world's hottest women should factor some of these things into his thinking.Great insights. Thank you. Certainly not expecting a "brothel full of the world's hottest women," but hoping for a room full of beauties. Feel like I've experienced it with Sharks in the last ten years. Same for Globe. And plenty of beauties to choose from at Goldentime in Vienna about ten years ago.
Love the FKK atmosphere, to sit back with a beer and view until I'm ready, but wouldn't rule out a gorgeous woman that's independent or from an agency. Where do women in NRW typically advertise?
Mongerer88
09-12-22, 13:30
Great insights. Thank you. Certainly not expecting a "brothel full of the world's hottest women," but hoping for a room full of beauties. Feel like I've experienced it with Sharks in the last ten years. Same for Globe. And plenty of beauties to choose from at Goldentime in Vienna about ten years ago.
Love the FKK atmosphere, to sit back with a beer and view until I'm ready, but wouldn't rule out a gorgeous woman that's independent or from an agency. Where do women in NRW typically advertise?Here are some with the most recent good reviews on the American review board who do BBBJ (I try my best to not list CBJ ladies).
https://www.escoreal-highclass-escort.com/jasmin/
https://sens-highclass-escort.com/models/laura/
https://www.targetescorts.com/ladies/daria.htm
As to whether it is worth the price difference, who knows. A lot of times those wanting very specific criteria gravitate towards independent escorts.
We had a similar discussion recently in the Barcelona forum.
To me, it is kind of like deciding between getting a specific dish at the Indian restaurant or getting the buffet. If you have no problem finding what you want at the buffet, that is usually the better choice, especially if it is less expensive. Either way there is a twinge of disappointment at what you didn't get, so trying different avenues does make sense. Nothing worse than ordering the fancy item off the menu at the Indian place and seeing everyone else who did the buffet get dessert items that you can't access after eating your meal.
Unless it didn't open or closed down I thought there was a new FKK not too far away from World? If it is open are there any reports, does it have its own thread?
Unless it didn't open or closed down I thought there was a new FKK not too far away from World? If it is open are there any reports, does it have its own thread?FKK Village and open.
Here are some with the most recent good reviews on the American review board who do BBBJ (I try my best to not list CBJ ladies).
https://www.escoreal-highclass-escort.com/jasmin/
https://sens-highclass-escort.com/models/laura/
https://www.targetescorts.com/ladies/daria.htm
As to whether it is worth the price difference, who knows. A lot of times those wanting very specific criteria gravitate towards independent escorts.
We had a similar discussion recently in the Barcelona forum.
To me, it is kind of like deciding between getting a specific dish at the Indian restaurant or getting the buffet. If you have no problem finding what you want at the buffet, that is usually the better choice, especially if it is less expensive. Either way there is a twinge of disappointment at what you didn't get, so trying different avenues does make sense. Nothing worse than ordering the fancy item off the menu at the Indian place and seeing everyone else who did the buffet get dessert items that you can't access after eating your meal.
Many punters do not realise or never want to learn that many of the sites like this which is maintained by a professional agent are photos-shopped to death. Do not forget that with photo editing software you could turn a frog to look like a princess. The agent knows that many or most of the people using their services are international tourist, one off customer which highly unlikely to become regular customers. The aim is to get you through the doors and hope that you will seal the deal considering the time and might be an upfront deposit that you have exhausted to get there. For outcall service, the aim is to get the girls to your hotel room and job done (or almost done).
There is a huge incentive of doing that and they have very little to loose, as they might be getting half of it. It is very low cost to maintain their website sites. When they get a bad review from independent review sites, they could easily change their domain and start form the scratch again.
In other countries I found a few times, exactly the same girls listed in high class brothels, agent, listing websites are also listing themselves with ordinary listing websites where the girls pay next to none. Certainly their hourly rate are much lower than the one stated by the agents.
But I am fully aware that for some people losing EUR800/ per hour is almost nothing for them.
Mongerer88
09-18-22, 16:32
Many punters do not realise or never want to learn that many of the sites like this which is maintained by a professional agent are photos-shopped to death. Do not forget that with photo editing software you could turn a frog to look like a princess. The agent knows that many or most of the people using their services are international tourist, one off customer which highly unlikely to become regular customers. The aim is to get you through the doors and hope that you will seal the deal considering the time and might be an upfront deposit that you have exhausted to get there. For outcall service, the aim is to get the girls to your hotel room and job done (or almost done).
There is a huge incentive of doing that and they have very little to loose, as they might be getting half of it. It is very low cost to maintain their website sites. When they get a bad review from independent review sites, they could easily change their domain and start form the scratch again.
In other countries I found a few times, exactly the same girls listed in high class brothels, agent, listing websites are also listing themselves with ordinary listing websites where the girls pay next to none. Certainly their hourly rate are much lower than the one stated by the agents..Those links were not randomly selected, but the ladies had favorable reviews from an experienced reviewer with multiple reviews, both good and bad.
I don't entirely disagree with your points, but I was simply answering a question posed by another poster.
I actually think that in Europe, for countries where it is available, the best approach is to go with the relatively lower priced options where many ladies share a place.
The poster who was asking the questions kept asking for stunners. I think many posters who describe houses full of stunners do a disservice. If it is a room full of fuckable enough, or plenty fuckable enough, that is what most guys are looking for.
Has anyone used one in a FKK club? Is it allowed? I wouldn't think it would be a big deal but.
Magnum, Aca (+Gold) got visited last Friday by several control institutions:
https://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/43777/5323129
Has anyone used one in a FKK club? Is it allowed? I wouldn't think it would be a big deal but.
I never heard a specific policy in FKKs which specifically not allowing people to use the cock ring. The FKK visitors could only know that a person uses cock ring when they ask the specific person. Also because people will only use cock ring once in the room. I have seen a few people using it in the partyTreffs, swingers party.
If you want to be sure, I think your best course of action is to ask the girls directly who you want to spend time with. I very much doubt they will say no if the girls understand what the cock ring is doing; when they understand that it is is not an extra ordinary things. If you read people experience here, some people are even against cock ring as they even difficult to come within half hour especially if they have come a few times before.
I never heard a specific policy in FKKs which specifically not allowing people to use the cock ring. The FKK visitors could only know that a person uses cock ring when they ask the specific person. Also because people will only use cock ring once in the room. I have seen a few people using it in the partyTreffs, swingers party.
If you want to be sure, I think your best course of action is to ask the girls directly who you want to spend time with. I very much doubt they will say no if the girls understand what the cock ring is doing; when they understand that it is is not an extra ordinary things. If you read people experience here, some people are even against cock ring as they even difficult to come within half hour especially if they have come a few times before.Some of the girls make frequent condom checks so you should probably clear it before hand since it will come up on a condom check during the session.
I thought I read somewhere they are bringing back a mask requirement, but I can't find confirmation.
Is this true? Will I not be able to see women's faces?
I thought I read somewhere they are bringing back a mask requirement, but I can't find confirmation. Is this true? Will I not be able to see women's faces?Absolutely you will be able to. For another 50 euros hahahahaha!
Does anyone have any idea an alternative to German FKKs in Europe which could easily be reached by budget airlines.
PL (Warsaw, Krakow), NL (Amsterdam), their glorious days have all gone, CZ (Prague) have started the slippery slope since a few years ago.
What come up to mind is.
Athens. Around METAXourgeio and Filis are you could get a quick shag 20 minutes for EUR20 or EUR30. In term of The quality of the girls are better in my opinion as majority of them are Russians which are IMHO better than Romanians in FKKs. Russian girls normally have a good share, fits, tall, blond and many with blue eyes.
Barcelona, Madrid you could still get price lower than FKKs, mostly South American girls from Brazil, Columbia, etc.
Turkey?? Any opinion??
Does anyone have any idea an alternative to German FKKs in Europe which could easily be reached by budget airlines.
PL (Warsaw, Krakow), NL (Amsterdam), their glorious days have all gone, CZ (Prague) have started the slippery slope since a few years ago.
What come up to mind is.
Athens. Around METAXourgeio and Filis are you could get a quick shag 20 minutes for EUR20 or EUR30. In term of The quality of the girls are better in my opinion as majority of them are Russians which are IMHO better than Romanians in FKKs. Russian girls normally have a good share, fits, tall, blond and many with blue eyes.
Barcelona, Madrid you could still get price lower than FKKs, mostly South American girls from Brazil, Columbia, etc.
Turkey?? Any opinion??I liked Barcelona (2007) and especially liked the Czech Republic (2009). However, from my readings they seemed to have declined. I doubt there is any country in Europe now that is better than Germany for our hobby.
Mongerer88
09-20-22, 15:28
Does anyone have any idea an alternative to German FKKs in Europe which could easily be reached by budget airlines.
PL (Warsaw, Krakow), NL (Amsterdam), their glorious days have all gone, CZ (Prague) have started the slippery slope since a few years ago.
What come up to mind is.
Athens. Around METAXourgeio and Filis are you could get a quick shag 20 minutes for EUR20 or EUR30. In term of The quality of the girls are better in my opinion as majority of them are Russians which are IMHO better than Romanians in FKKs. Russian girls normally have a good share, fits, tall, blond and many with blue eyes.
Barcelona, Madrid you could still get price lower than FKKs, mostly South American girls from Brazil, Columbia, etc.
Turkey?? Any opinion??Vecinitas in Barcelona for South Americans and younger Spanish ladies.
https://www.vecinitasbcn.com/
Amigasdelidia in Madrid for younger Spanish ladies and RusasVIP in Madrid for Russians and Ukranians (hopefully they aren't fighting each other in the House).
https://amigasdelidia.com/
https://rusas-vip.com/
You can't stay at any of these places. You fuck and leave. Of course you can go back again.
Skepti10 (I think that was his handle) has done both FKKs and Vecinitas. Hopefully he will chime in.
And I notice that VegasBoy7 just posted a good review of Placer Madrid. There is always good service there, but some of the ladies are on the older side. Not all of them, though.
What will you choose if you are one day in Eindhoven?
1. Rent a car. Whole day at Sixsens.
2. Rent a car. Whole day at Golden Gate.
3. Train. Day and night in Amsterdam.
I liked Barcelona (2007) and especially liked the Czech Republic (2009). However, from my readings they seemed to have declined. I doubt there is any country in Europe now that is better than Germany for our hobby.Except deep Russia, I confirm Germany should still be best quality, when most of new Globe girls come from Germany with more kilometers, often silicon between and are degraded for my expected quality by porn there. Freubad and Amesia can have some interesting girls. Unfortunately, 6 NL on border fell on this year. When I will finish my sporty tour, I should focus on German playfield where BBBJ is still standard. New law works as a joke.
Palomino1350
09-20-22, 20:59
Hi,
I am visiting Dusseldorf later this month and planning to visit Acapulco hold. But I have been also recommended FKK oceans. I cannot find FKK oceans on this forum. The website (FKK-oceans. De) has all info. But has anyone been to this FKK? Any thoughts on how good it is?
Also the website says they have a shuttle that can come and pick up. Is this standard service in most FKK around Dusseldorf?
HealthNutz
09-20-22, 21:33
Hi all,
I've been RTFF but still needed to ask this general question.
After about 4 years, I will be in Germany for just 4 days in mid December. I used to frequent GT and LR mainly. Also the Frankfurt are clubs like Oase and World. But I have also been to (and appreciate the quality and history of) Brends.
I gather GT and LR are now gone. Not sure if the new GT in theüsseldorf is any good? Just curious which 3 or 4 clubs those of.
You who are actually on the ground there would recommend. Within 1 hour drive of Koln. Like most people I enjoy good optif**k but I'm not a fan of overly crowded / loud clubs. I guess I'm saying I'd take a solid 7 in looks with a 9 service over a 9 in looks with 4 in service any day. Thanks in advance!
Hi all,
I've been RTFF but still needed to ask this general question.
After about 4 years, I will be in Germany for just 4 days in mid December. I used to frequent GT and LR mainly. Also the Frankfurt are clubs like Oase and World. But I have also been to (and appreciate the quality and history of) Brends.
I gather GT and LR are now gone. Not sure if the new GT in thesseldorf is any good? Just curious which 3 or 4 clubs those of.
You who are actually on the ground there would recommend. Within 1 hour drive of Koln. Like most people I enjoy good optif**k but I'm not a fan of overly crowded / loud clubs. I guess I'm saying I'd take a solid 7 in looks with a 9 service over a 9 in looks with 4 in service any day. Thanks in advance!Ex Bruggen and LR should now be in Golden Gate Grefath, for 30% more expensive for girls but same older.
I liked Barcelona (2007) and especially liked the Czech Republic (2009). However, from my readings they seemed to have declined. I doubt there is any country in Europe now that is better than Germany for our hobby.
Well, they start charging EUR100 for 30m in FKKs. It used to be EUR50 before COVID-19? Is Germany still the best ?? Also in general Slavic or Moravian girls have better shapes and looks than Romanians who are dominating German FKKs and Brothels.
Hi,
I am visiting Dusseldorf later this month and planning to visit Acapulco hold. But I have been also recommended FKK oceans. I cannot find FKK oceans on this forum. The website (FKK-oceans. De) has all info. But has anyone been to this FKK? Any thoughts on how good it is?
Also the website says they have a shuttle that can come and pick up. Is this standard service in most FKK around Dusseldorf?Yes, I have been to Oceans. It is a large club, not to dissimilar in size to Sharks, though I can't recall Oceans having an upper floor. I had a hire-car that time so I didn't use their collection service that was also operational then. I wasn't there for long and at a quiet time due to having to get a flight back home. Like most FKK's it probably isn't as good as it was pre China leaked Covid-19.
Yes, I have been to Oceans. It is a large club, not to dissimilar in size to Sharks, though I can't recall Oceans having an upper floor. I had a hire-car that time so I didn't use their collection service that was also operational then. I wasn't there for long and at a quiet time due to having to get a flight back home. Like most FKK's it probably isn't as good as it was pre China leaked Covid-19.Many rooms upstairs with stairs close to entry. Challenging game is to find a pretty who really kiss, a bit like at Wellcum. At. Also not so easy at Gold, but 40/30.
So I did 5 days globe and here are my thoughts:
I did 3 days at globe in first week then went off to my holiday for a week and then did 2 days again at globe in different week!
First 3 days, I had my second day with no sessions at globe as line up was not good enough for me and this is first time ever in my 12 years in FKK this happened!
The line up at globe did decline over all and you do see many girls with so much plastic surgery and tattoos, much more than before the pandemic! However, beside one day, I did find 1 or 2 stunners in most days in best day I found 4 stunners, but the line up is shaky at globe now and it is not what Ingo originally planned for globe when it comes to the line up level as bottom line went down big time at globe with some stunners still being there on lucky days and on unlucky day, as I wrote, I walked away with no session from globe for the first time ever in my FKK fucking career!
The difference of the line up between different week is quite limited, I had about 10 days gap between my two different sets of visit to globe and the line up did change, but it did not change that much, I would say 40 % or even half of line up was as same as before when I first visited globe during my first sets of visits for this trip!
The service level is still very high, this is good news and you still get GFE package without negotiating and they are all romantic, dirty and sensual or whatever you want them to be in room! And yes, 30 min is 30 min and no cheating with time and they still seems to care so much about the time!
About the upsell or sharkiness or drinks, I am the type who wait hours till choose the stunner, so I watch the floor well, I did not experience or see any girls approaching the guys with drinks, BUT what I saw many many times now is girls paring up with ugly girls for threesome sessions offer, that seems to be the trend, and it is annoying as one is ugly plus I do not enjoy threesome that much! And when they are going around together, most time, it is ok you can just take one, but one time one girl say later as she want to go with her friend, but later when they seemed to fail for threesome and ugly one quit being with the stunner, I went and fucked the stunner, but I found this threesome thing that seemed common as I saw that many times annoying as I am the type who just want to fuck stunner and not the ugly!
Most girls I spoke to was former German FKK and some were as young as 19 years old (seems quite true maybe around 22 or something like that at most), but most stunners are around early 20's and I managed to find 5 that are non surgery and almost no tattoo / no tattoo stunner level girls, but if you are fly in monger, I would say go to Germany!
The girls I spoke to was former German FKK, but many claimed to be former oceans and did not like it so came to globe, so I would go for hessen FKK then do nrw FKK mixed trip if you are fly in monger, I have not been to nrw or hessen after pandemic, but many stunners that I spoke to claimed they came from those FKK in Dusseldorf region, so one might have some chance there!
Most girls in globe are Romanians, maybe over 80% and other races are ugly and all the german girls in globe this time round were old and ugly! You can forget Linda level etc there and she is no longer coming apparently according to the managers, so I think globe is not worth flying in if you are just going to FKK and I would direct your destination to German FKK to see what is up there?
Over all though, there still are young stunners as Ingo planned globe to be, but really it has too many porn style, old, ugly, tattooed, painted face make up girls in globe now that it is becoming like old Artemis on bad days LOL! But between those plastic monsters you do still find young stunner on good days, and on bad day I walked a way without session from FKK in all of my 12 years in FKK, so that how bad globe can get now!
Sad, but this is what it is and I would wonder how German FKK are like now, but considering stunners I fucked came from German FKK recently, it sound more promising there, but got to do your own negotiation there which most of us veteran mongers have no problem with!
I had good memories to add 5 young stunner level beauty to my list and most I went twice or one of them even three times, so it was good FKK trip! I just could not believe I had a day that I walked away without session though!
Go to German FKK is my opinion if you are flying in is my conclusion!
Looking for some advice on first FKK experience.
Going to be traveling to Frankfurt for the first time in two weeks. Will be there for one day, so sadly will only be able to experience one FKK.
The big ones seem to be Sharks, Oase, Palace and Mainhattan. Sharks appears to be the most popular from my research, but I've also been reading that it's more expensive compared to the others post covid with the girls charging 100/30. Is Sharks more expensive then the others or are all of them also charging that amount?
If I'm only able to visit one of these clubs (any time from 4 pm till pretty late, next flight is early morning next day), which of these clubs should I visit? Open to other recommendations too.
It'll be a weekday (Wednesday) if that makes a difference.
Thanks for any advice.
HealthNutz
09-23-22, 14:14
Ex Bruggen and LR should now be in Golden Gate Grefath, for 30% more expensive for girls but same older.Thanks Sirioja,
I think I plan.
Day 1 Golden Gate.
Day 2 Bernds.
Day 3 ***. Any suggestions?
Day 4 Mainhattan or Sharks.
So I did 5 days globe and here are my thoughts:
I did 3 days at globe in first week then went off to my holiday for a week and then did 2 days again at globe in different week!
First 3 days, I had my second day with no sessions at globe as line up was not good enough for me and this is first time ever in my 12 years in FKK this happened!
The line up at globe did decline over all and you do see many girls with so much plastic surgery and tattoos, much more than before the pandemic! However, beside one day, I did find 1 or 2 stunners in most days in best day I found 4 stunners, but the line up is shaky at globe now and it is not what Ingo originally planned for globe when it comes to the line up level as bottom line went down big time at globe with some stunners still being there on lucky days and on unlucky day, as I wrote, I walked away with no session from globe for the first time ever in my FKK fucking career!
The difference of the line up between different week is quite limited, I had about 10 days gap between my two different sets of visit to globe and the line up did change, but it did not change that much, I would say 40 % or even half of line up was as same as before when I first visited globe during my first sets of visits for this trip!
The service level is still very high, this is good news and you still get GFE package without negotiating and they are all romantic, dirty and sensual or whatever you want them to be in room! And yes, 30 min is 30 min and no cheating with time and they still seems to care so much about the time!
About the upsell or sharkiness or drinks, I am the type who wait hours till choose the stunner, so I watch the floor well, I did not experience or see any girls approaching the guys with drinks, BUT what I saw many many times now is girls paring up with ugly girls for threesome sessions offer, that seems to be the trend, and it is annoying as one is ugly plus I do not enjoy threesome that much! And when they are going around together, most time, it is ok you can just take one, but one time one girl say later as she want to go with her friend, but later when they seemed to fail for threesome and ugly one quit being with the stunner, I went and fucked the stunner, but I found this threesome thing that seemed common as I saw that many times annoying as I am the type who just want to fuck stunner and not the ugly!
Most girls I spoke to was former German FKK and some were as young as 19 years old (seems quite true maybe around 22 or something like that at most), but most stunners are around early 20's and I managed to find 5 that are non surgery and almost no tattoo / no tattoo stunner level girls, but if you are fly in monger, I would say go to Germany!
The girls I spoke to was former German FKK, but many claimed to be former oceans and did not like it so came to globe, so I would go for hessen FKK then do nrw FKK mixed trip if you are fly in monger, I have not been to nrw or hessen after pandemic, but many stunners that I spoke to claimed they came from those FKK in Dusseldorf region, so one might have some chance there!
Most girls in globe are Romanians, maybe over 80% and other races are ugly and all the german girls in globe this time round were old and ugly! You can forget Linda level etc there and she is no longer coming apparently according to the managers, so I think globe is not worth flying in if you are just going to FKK and I would direct your destination to German FKK to see what is up there?
Over all though, there still are young stunners as Ingo planned globe to be, but really it has too many porn style, old, ugly, tattooed, painted face make up girls in globe now that it is becoming like old Artemis on bad days LOL! But between those plastic monsters you do still find young stunner on good days, and on bad day I walked a way without session from FKK in all of my 12 years in FKK, so that how bad globe can get now!
Sad, but this is what it is and I would wonder how German FKK are like now, but considering stunners I fucked came from German FKK recently, it sound more promising there, but got to do your own negotiation there which most of us veteran mongers have no problem with!
I had good memories to add 5 young stunner level beauty to my list and most I went twice or one of them even three times, so it was good FKK trip! I just could not believe I had a day that I walked away without session though!
Go to German FKK is my opinion if you are flying in is my conclusion!What I don't understand is why guys pay so much money for these porn style, old, ugly, tattooed, painted face make up girls. For these girls to be working there there must be punters going with them. I would think all the patrons would be lining up waiting to bang the 4 or 5 young hot stunners.
Sharks is the clear winner for a Wednesday. You will see the full lineup. All will charge the same 100/30 if you are newb.
Looking for some advice on first FKK experience.
Going to be traveling to Frankfurt for the first time in two weeks. Will be there for one day, so sadly will only be able to experience one FKK.
The big ones seem to be Sharks, Oase, Palace and Mainhattan. Sharks appears to be the most popular from my research, but I've also been reading that it's more expensive compared to the others post covid with the girls charging 100/30. Is Sharks more expensive then the others or are all of them also charging that amount?
If I'm only able to visit one of these clubs (any time from 4 pm till pretty late, next flight is early morning next day), which of these clubs should I visit? Open to other recommendations too.
It'll be a weekday (Wednesday) if that makes a difference.
Thanks for any advice.
Is golden gate open?
Thanks Sirioja,
I think I plan.
Day 1 Golden Gate.
Day 2 Bernds.
Day 3 ***. Any suggestions?
Day 4 Mainhattan or Sharks.
Thanks Sirioja,
I think I plan.
Day 1 Golden Gate.
Day 2 Bernds.
Day 3 ***. Any suggestions?
Day 4 Mainhattan or Sharks.Go to Mainhattan one day and Sharks on the other, when I don t understand the logic of your choice. I would go to Sharks for quantity even I most often leave full heavy balls, Gold because one of the best value, brother Penelope, 6 NL close to Aachen seem not so bad.
What I don't understand is why guys pay so much money for these porn style, old, ugly, tattooed, painted face make up girls. For these girls to be working there there must be punters going with them. I would think all the patrons would be lining up waiting to bang the 4 or 5 young hot stunners.Guys who are fed with porn want same, even they don t have the size. On Friday night, I found a so fresh beauty, pretty face, milky skin, full natural, no tattoo nor piercing, at Freubad. So much more exciting for me than porn dolls. Freubad have some more interesting girls for 120/30 and can be less with packages, than at Globe for 150/30 . I know a French since many years at Bruggen and now at Sharks, in his 30's, one of the best look I see in brothels, but he is attracted by vulgarity, tattoes. My immaculate beauties are not attractive for him.
So I did 5 days globe and here are my thoughts:
I did 3 days at globe in first week then went off to my holiday for a week and then did 2 days again at globe in different week!
First 3 days, I had my second day with no sessions at globe as line up was not good enough for me and this is first time ever in my 12 years in FKK this happened!
The line up at globe did decline over all and you do see many girls with so much plastic surgery and tattoos, much more than before the pandemic! However, beside one day, I did find 1 or 2 stunners in most days in best day I found 4 stunners, but the line up is shaky at globe now and it is not what Ingo originally planned for globe when it comes to the line up level as bottom line went down big time at globe with some stunners still being there on lucky days and on unlucky day, as I wrote, I walked away with no session from globe for the first time ever in my FKK fucking career!
The difference of the line up between different week is quite limited, I had about 10 days gap between my two different sets of visit to globe and the line up did change, but it did not change that much, I would say 40 % or even half of line up was as same as before when I first visited globe during my first sets of visits for this trip!
The service level is still very high, this is good news and you still get GFE package without negotiating and they are all romantic, dirty and sensual or whatever you want them to be in room! And yes, 30 min is 30 min and no cheating with time and they still seems to care so much about the time!
About the upsell or sharkiness or drinks, I am the type who wait hours till choose the stunner, so I watch the floor well, I did not experience or see any girls approaching the guys with drinks, BUT what I saw many many times now is girls paring up with ugly girls for threesome sessions offer, that seems to be the trend, and it is annoying as one is ugly plus I do not enjoy threesome that much! And when they are going around together, most time, it is ok you can just take one, but one time one girl say later as she want to go with her friend, but later when they seemed to fail for threesome and ugly one quit being with the stunner, I went and fucked the stunner, but I found this threesome thing that seemed common as I saw that many times annoying as I am the type who just want to fuck stunner and not the ugly!
Most girls I spoke to was former German FKK and some were as young as 19 years old (seems quite true maybe around 22 or something like that at most), but most stunners are around early 20's and I managed to find 5 that are non surgery and almost no tattoo / no tattoo stunner level girls, but if you are fly in monger, I would say go to Germany!
The girls I spoke to was former German FKK, but many claimed to be former oceans and did not like it so came to globe, so I would go for hessen FKK then do nrw FKK mixed trip if you are fly in monger, I have not been to nrw or hessen after pandemic, but many stunners that I spoke to claimed they came from those FKK in Dusseldorf region, so one might have some chance there!
Most girls in globe are Romanians, maybe over 80% and other races are ugly and all the german girls in globe this time round were old and ugly! You can forget Linda level etc there and she is no longer coming apparently according to the managers, so I think globe is not worth flying in if you are just going to FKK and I would direct your destination to German FKK to see what is up there?
Over all though, there still are young stunners as Ingo planned globe to be, but really it has too many porn style, old, ugly, tattooed, painted face make up girls in globe now that it is becoming like old Artemis on bad days LOL! But between those plastic monsters you do still find young stunner on good days, and on bad day I walked a way without session from FKK in all of my 12 years in FKK, so that how bad globe can get now!
Sad, but this is what it is and I would wonder how German FKK are like now, but considering stunners I fucked came from German FKK recently, it sound more promising there, but got to do your own negotiation there which most of us veteran mongers have no problem with!
I had good memories to add 5 young stunner level beauty to my list and most I went twice or one of them even three times, so it was good FKK trip! I just could not believe I had a day that I walked away without session though!
Go to German FKK is my opinion if you are flying in is my conclusion!The fall of Globe was so often written here and they increased rate to 150/30 . Low level management except Fritz but no power for girls quality. Most new Globe girls come from Germany, but losing freshness and many putting silicon. I would say at least 6 Germans, Hana and Gianina are natural and I would not be honest if I wrote Sofia. De is not pretty after our several rooms. 4/5 Swiss. I find some more interesting at Amesia or Freubad and few in Germany.
What I don't understand is why guys pay so much money for these porn style, old, ugly, tattooed, painted face make up girls. For these girls to be working there there must be punters going with them. I would think all the patrons would be lining up waiting to bang the 4 or 5 young hot stunners.I have seen so many times when young natural beauty stunner is ignored and some mongers taking ugly older porn style plastic monsters to the room LOL! I guess it is matter of taste, but bad taste LOL!
But it is good because of them, I can fuck young natural beauty stunners without waiting!
As the globe declined, I did find few young stunners who are natural, young which one even claimed to be 19, but I would say all of them were early 20's, and tall, fit, slim or sport body etc in globe still! But I did walk away one day without session as the line up was so bad!
I think considering there are more FKK in Germany close to one another, it is better off to goto german FKK just in case of bad day so you can move around is what I thought!
The service is still there at globe, but in German FKK we mongers are veteran enough to negotiate well so it is annoying but the same LOL!
HealthNutz
09-24-22, 03:40
Go to Mainhattan one day and Sharks on the other, when I don t understand the logic of your choice. I would go to Sharks for quantity even I most often leave full heavy balls, Gold because one of the best value, brother Penelope, 6 NL close to Aachen seem not so bad.Thanks again Sirioja.
I'll hit up Golden Gate and Bernds on the first 2 days and see where that leads me. Sometimes it is best to play it by ear. I just hope things stay as they are by mid December.
My last day will be in Frankfurt which is why I'll visit either Sharks or Mainhattan.
Switzerland is too far of a drive. Freubad reminded me of a club in Bochum I loved back in the day. Freude 39. I used to go there for this amazing Polish chick. Later on I heard the club took a turn for the worse in many ways.
Other than Babylon, are there any other true FKKs in or near Dusseldorf?
Actually, I prefer a robe for myself like at Sharks, but prefer seeing all of the ladies walking and sitting around naked.
PhuckBiden
09-24-22, 06:11
Gold best looks are the following:
Natacha on holiday, Alessia (Maya), Angelina on holiday, Natalia on holiday, Alexandra on holiday, Melissa, Fiorentina ex Bruggen on holiday.
Alessia name change to Maya is a real shit shit. She is 5"4', a brunette in ponytail, 22 years old sits by the dance pole left of the bar. She had to change names because of her bad reputation and service is limited. She does not session for more than 30 minutes, does not kiss, can't take more than 8 minutes in one position, can't take a pounding, and is very restrictive. She charges 50/30.
Daniella is also another shit. She's very untalkative, very disturbed, worked at Acapulco for 5 years. Long black hair with tattoos running down her back. She's about 5'4" and wears glasses.
Melissa is a friend of Maya. She will not go to the room for more than 30 minutes she is limited in the positions she does not kiss and she charges €50 for 30 minutes.
This Club is heavily populated with Turkish people. The ratio of men is 8 to 1 working girl. Kate is not here. Natasha is not here. Natalie is not here.
What you see at Acapulco Gold on Friday and Saturday between 2 pm to 11 pm Is what you see at Sharks during closing time between 2 am To 5 am Nothing but Fat chicks Ugly chicks, trashy looking chicks, Chicks that you don't want to touch.
I don't care how much chick charge at Sharks, just stay with Sharks for the Ultimate Paradise. Acapulco Gold is 100% subpar, substandard, and it's not worth your long journey or your expensive flight ticket or your vacation or your business time to visit.
I challenge more neutral people to visit Acapulco Gold and make the judgement. I don't believe that they will say that Gold is a better place, better Chicks, better environment than Sharks.
For those that say Acapulco gold is better they are really fucking with you.
Is golden gate open?With Bruggen oldies and some ex LR girls but not past top girls. Entry 70 and 65/30 for lack of freshness.
Other than Babylon, are there any other true FKKs in or near Dusseldorf?
Actually, I prefer a robe for myself like at Sharks, but prefer seeing all of the ladies walking and sitting around naked.I've probably been to most of the NRW clubs, certainly all the better known ones and unless my memory is fading I didn't see many walking around naked. Not been to NRW post covid though so not sure what the situation is. No doubt 'yours truly' will come along and 'bless' you with his knowledge and 'wisdom' .
The fall of Globe was so often written here and they increased rate to 150/30 . Low level management except Fritz but no power for girls quality. Most new Globe girls come from Germany, but losing freshness and many putting silicon. I would say at least 6 Germans, Hana and Gianina are natural and I would not be honest if I wrote Sofia. De is not pretty after our several rooms. 4/5 Swiss. I find some more interesting at Amesia or Freubad and few in Germany.Are they getting the breast implants in Switzerland or going back to Germany? I wonder what the healthcare system does as far as discounts for cosmetic surgery in Europe.
Will probably be going to Nuremberg and Dresden in December to visit the Christmas markets. I know there is not much in terms of FKKs. I'm wondering if I can perhaps add a stop somewhere with a better FKK. I will be with other people who primarily want to see the Christmas markets so it will be easier to convince them to add a stop of the city also happens to have a nice Christmas market. My visit will most likely be during the day (early afternoon) as I will be at the Christmas markets at night.
I'd just go to frankfurt then Sharks but we went there last year.
I've probably been to most of the NRW clubs, certainly all the better known ones and unless my memory is fading I didn't see many walking around naked. Not been to NRW post covid though so not sure what the situation is. No doubt 'yours truly' will come along and 'bless' you with his knowledge and 'wisdom'.So, You never been to Bab, nor SC Venus not RTC, nor Bernds which was first club in Germany. Some stars started at Bab, like Barbi or Kitty who was Romanian at Bab.
Are they getting the breast implants in Switzerland or going back to Germany? I wonder what the healthcare system does as far as discounts for cosmetic surgery in Europe.At home or Bulgaria or Turkey. Now acid rather than silicon for new technique. For teeth, usually in Romania. Elisa was so fresh natural pretty with perfect naturals at Oase on Summer 2019 for several rooms for 150/60, became silicon Maria at Globe for 150/30. German Sofia was with naturals at land of silicon Artemis, but silicon at Globe. Swiss pay double or more for less freshness and to pay silicon. Swiss who know a bit this business, drive to Germany for better value. At Freubad or Dietikon or History, more natural girls for less expensive than at Globe.
I've seen some abbreviations I don't understand.
What is ZK?
Also, if someone says they paid 2 CE, what's that?
Any update on this new FKK in Giessen? Is it worth a visit? Lineup numbers? I have 2 days to spend in Fra, and 1 of them will be in Sharks. I'm between Village and aoase dor the second.
Thanks for any info.
I've seen some abbreviations I don't understand.
What is ZK?
Also, if someone says they paid 2 CE, what's that?I think ZK is Zungen kussen Kissing with tongue.
Do not know about CE.
Escape Artist
09-25-22, 02:36
I think ZK is Zungen kussen Kissing with tongue.
Do not know about CE.ZK French Kiss.
CE 100.
2 CE 200.
I think given the condition of globe, it maybe better for me to use high end escort in Germany for young german stunners!
I will check out palace and oase soon or later especially palace, but German young stunners are becoming rare bleeds in FKK!
So escort of lets say around 800 euro to 1000 euro for two hours for top german young stunners may be worth it for me!
ZK French Kiss.
CE 100.
2 CE 200.For ZK the abbreviation makes sense, as it saves time rather than writing the full words "Zungen kussen" e.g French Kissing where kissing will involve intensive tongue activities.
But for CE ? to me it does not make sense, as people could easily write it EUR, and makes little difference.
I know CE mark on the products is used by the manufacturer or importer to affirms the good's conformity with European health, safety, and environmental protection standards. But that is different and not used for money related, currency.
I wonder is there a more sensible reason to use CE rather than EUR for euro currency??
For ZK the abbreviation makes sense, as it saves time rather than writing the full words "Zungen kussen" e.g French Kissing where kissing will involve intensive tongue activities.
But for CE ? to me it does not make sense, as people could easily write it EUR, and makes little difference.
I know CE mark on the products is used by the manufacturer or importer to affirms the good's conformity with European health, safety, and environmental protection standards. But that is different and not used for money related, currency.
I wonder is there a more sensible reason to use CE rather than EUR for euro currency??On the German forums it means 50 Euro. "Clubeinheit" is a club unit and back in the day 50 Euro was the norm.
Escape Artist
09-25-22, 13:37
For ZK the abbreviation makes sense, as it saves time rather than writing the full words "Zungen kussen" e.g French Kissing where kissing will involve intensive tongue activities.
But for CE ? to me it does not make sense, as people could easily write it EUR, and makes little difference.
I know CE mark on the products is used by the manufacturer or importer to affirms the good's conformity with European health, safety, and environmental protection standards. But that is different and not used for money related, currency.
I wonder is there a more sensible reason to use CE rather than EUR for euro currency??CE, as in the Roman numeral for 100 and Einhundert, German for One Hundred.
Used for more than notating money.
Escape Artist
09-25-22, 13:37
On the German forums it means 50 Euro. "Clubeinheit" is a club unit and back in the day 50 Euro was the norm.Maybe I'm wrong.
EA,
Samplerr is spot on. 1 CE=50 euro. If you reread the German forums in this context you will find that our German colleagues have not gone completely mad. ;-)
Escape Artist
09-25-22, 21:01
EA,
Samplerr is spot on. 1 CE=50 euro. If you reread the German forums in this context you will find that our German colleagues have not gone completely mad.Yeah I agree. Definitely slipped my mind.
I think given the condition of globe, it maybe better for me to use high end escort in Germany for young german stunners!
I will check out palace and oase soon or later especially palace, but German young stunners are becoming rare bleeds in FKK!
So escort of lets say around 800 euro to 1000 euro for two hours for top german young stunners may be worth it for me!Many German escorts are for 150/200 for 1 hour. Many in Rhur which is quite poor out of Dusseldorf. German Sofi at Sharks come from.
HealthNutz
09-26-22, 12:58
Many German escorts are for 150/200 for 1 hour. Many in Rhur which is quite poor out of Dusseldorf. German Sofi at Sharks come from.Is there a particular site / service that you'd recommend? As others have pointed out, I'm sure there is a lot of bait and switch. Even in Germany.
Many German escorts are for 150/200 for 1 hour. Many in Rhur which is quite poor out of Dusseldorf. German Sofi at Sharks come from.In March, 2020 I spent an hour with Greta from Latvia for Eur100. I asked her how much for her to come to my hotel room. She told me EUR500/1 HR.
Escape Artist
09-26-22, 17:01
In March, 2020 I spent an hour with Greta from Latvia for Eur100. I asked her how much for her to come to my hotel room. She told me EUR500/1 HR.FKK girls quoting higher outcall numbers is normal. Hotel girls average rate is 150-200 e, but that is their place of business. Club girls quote ridiculous numbers partially for the fact that they have to leave their normal place of business to go to you, sacrificing money making hours. 1 hour for an hotel girl is only 1 hour where you leave afterwards and another client comes to her. 1 hour for an FKK girl is 1 hour plus commute time, plus cost of taxi. Other reasons for club girls charging more are fear of safety while others take advantage of a Love struck Larry they met in clubs.
In March, 2020 I spent an hour with Greta from Latvia for Eur100. I asked her how much for her to come to my hotel room. She told me EUR500/1 HR.That is where you begin the negotiation to 500 euro for the whole night LOL! They always try LOL!
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In March, 2020 I spent an hour with Greta from Latvia for Eur100. I asked her how much for her to come to my hotel room. She told me EUR500/1 HR.My meaning is can find many Germans escorting for less expensive than what ask not pretties at Sharks who are 95% of casting.
In March, 2020 I spent an hour with Greta from Latvia for Eur100. I asked her how much for her to come to my hotel room. She told me EUR500/1 HR.A girl at Palace quotes me 500 for for two hours. I didn't try and negotiate longer or cheaper. I decided it was fair and said I might What'sApp her next trip but ultimately I enjoy the variety over prolonged time with the same girl. And then I can go back to the hotel to a quiet room!
I had good memories to add 5 young stunner level beauty to my list and most I went twice or one of them even three times, so it was good FKK trip!Hey Mr Ho.
Do you have the names of the five stunners you went with at Globe?
It's been a while and I'm looking for some tips and incentives to make a trip back down there.
Globe was my 'go to' club once upon a time. That was until Kate retired. Since then, I've been a stranger there.
I see that there is no more Sofia. De there. I was hoping to try her out one of these days.
Thanks Howie.
Putting this in FKK chat as that's my first choice, but open to RLDs and other options.
I'm arriving in Dusseldorf on a Monday morning, and don't want to wait. Haven't been to Germany since before the pandemic!
I know Mondays are the worst days, but I'm not waiting until the weekend. If I wanted to go somewhere Monday morning / early afternoon, what's my best bet for attractive women? To me, attractive is usually younger (18-29), short, and thin, though I don't mind taller or less thin if the boobs are fantastic.
Also open to a unique experience if I'm not going to have luck with my ideal woman looks-wise. Public sex, or something else unique (not sure what).
Ones I'm considering for Monday (but open to other ideas):
Bernd's.
Babylon.
Aca Gold.
Pascha, Cologne.
Duisburg RLD.
Thanks for any advice or suggestions!
Hey Mr Ho.
Do you have the names of the five stunners you went with at Globe?
It's been a while and I'm looking for some tips and incentives to make a trip back down there.
Globe was my 'go to' club once upon a time. That was until Kate retired. Since then, I've been a stranger there.
I see that there is no more Sofia. De there. I was hoping to try her out one of these days.
Thanks Howie.Full natural with no tattoo Ekaterina even not fully Russian, also full natural Daisi, can be good sex, even not GFE enough for me. Full natural Tina was true GFE on our time, same for full natural Gianina. De. Silicon Sofia. De when she was natural at Artemis, was at Globe not so long ago. Globe rules don't help for fresh true GFE, when you can get more fresh GFE when you are able to get from a girl surprising her. I love when girls start to wide full open when you take care of them. At this moment, a bit like in real life for reaction, coming to kiss you, so I stayed for 1h30 on Sunday at Swiss Dietikon with true GFE even not new in business, but second time experienced. High level but won't repeat.
Hey Mr Ho.
Do you have the names of the five stunners you went with at Globe?
It's been a while and I'm looking for some tips and incentives to make a trip back down there.
Globe was my 'go to' club once upon a time. That was until Kate retired. Since then, I've been a stranger there.
I see that there is no more Sofia. De there. I was hoping to try her out one of these days.
Thanks Howie.No, buddy, I rarely collect those fake names, but they were all Romanians and I must say, now most of the club is really Romanian than ever before in any FKK LOL!
One thing is that they were all young minimum early 20's like around 23 max, some even claimed to be 19 years old and others were mostly 21 and one said 22 ! But for most of them, I do believe them!
I would go to Germany if I am you, but if you are going to globe, be prepared to be like Artemis like line up of full of porn older plastic monsters in late 20's and between them you find few younger early 20's beautiful girls! Globe is still worth going if you are in Zurich, but if you have flying in choices, I would go to Hessen, Nrw mix trip as most girls I went with told me they came from Oceans actually!
Sofia DE, I remember the name as I asked Fritz for German girls then he mentioned her name saying she skipped the work today etc, but never went with her, I read she is good though! I did not go with any German girls this trip at globe as what I saw were old and ugly, but they were good hearted German girls as they spoke to me for a while like for few minutes till I refused to go with them that they took politely LOL!
Where are all the german stunners now? Palace frankfurt or oase?
For ZK the abbreviation makes sense, as it saves time rather than writing the full words "Zungen kussen" e.g French Kissing where kissing will involve intensive tongue activities.
But for CE ? to me it does not make sense, as people could easily write it EUR, and makes little difference.
I know CE mark on the products is used by the manufacturer or importer to affirms the good's conformity with European health, safety, and environmental protection standards. But that is different and not used for money related, currency.
I wonder is there a more sensible reason to use CE rather than EUR for euro currency??Thanks for CE explanation but what about Alias Takedown Mursenary means? (Editor's note).
Escape Artist
09-28-22, 16:31
Thanks for CE explanation but what about Alias Takedown Mursenary means? (Editor's note).I was wrong, 1 CE does not mean 100 Euro.
Steve 9696
09-28-22, 22:12
If someone can guide me to the right thread I will repost this there. But as this seems the most active perhaps posting here is most useful to most guys.
Dortmund is def not pussy central. A helpful member said saunaclub Penelope could prob deliver (20 minutes NW). I had low expectations but was pleasantly surprised. 30 entry and old school pricing of 50/ half including BBBJ.
The club is really quite nice. Clean and relatively large. I had been warned it's a bit of a Turkish sausage fest but it seems they don't take too many girls so it doesn't hurt the selection much. I went with a wingman and around 11 there were probably 15 ish girls spread about. No real stunners but plenty of pleasant looking girls wanting to suck your dick. Nice couches, kino, and an attentive bar maid. Mixed drinks are 10.
The best part about this club is the girls attitudes. There is absolutely no one coming around harassing you to go. But when you do engage, we found the girls to be pleasant and laid back. My friend took a very slim girl with dark features and reported she was excellent. I took two different girls first was a bit chubby and very Latina looking. She was a nice accommodating girl. We went to the porno for some light kissing and she stroked me up hard. It was a nice start. She charged 20 for kissing which was a bit light but def added ti the experience. No CIM allowed but after an excellent BBBJ and great fucking she finished me right up to the last second in front of the mirror. Solid experience. 70.
Second girl looked super cute in her Daisy Dukes. She was doing a lot of dancing and twerking and generally trying a lot harder than most girls to look sexy. Took her for a spin and oh my. She gives AMAZING head. And she would position herself so she's looking at me but on her side with her legs spread so I could feel her pussy. She was cautious about full deep FIV but I worked her pussy pretty good. She loves sucking cock and it shows. She got very wet and I was able to slide from her clit partially up into her pussy with my fingers and she seemed to really like it.
Superb fucking in all positions and 30 extra to CIM which I did. Great great session. 80.
All In all if you aren't out for top optics and will take a 6-7 who is sweet and performs well, then Penelope can be great for you. My wingman and I agreed we like it better than Sharks visit earlier in the week for the pricing, laid back girls, and overall vibe. Recommend.
. I had been warned it's a bit of a Turkish sausage fest ....I've heard this warning / complaint before but I don't understand it. What's the concern with lots of Turkish?
Also, place sounds great. Love the more laid back nature of the girls. Hate when they're constantly hounding. Found similar attitudes back when Living Room was around.
Anyone have other clubs in NRW they'd consider similar, with laid back, non aggressive women?
Escape Artist
09-29-22, 00:06
I've heard this warning / complaint before but I don't understand it. What's the concern with lots of Turkish?
Also, place sounds great. Love the more laid back nature of the girls. Hate when they're constantly hounding. Found similar attitudes back when Living Room was around.
Anyone have other clubs in NRW they'd consider similar, with laid back, non aggressive women?All generalities but more often than not, service at clubs with heavy Turkish crowds will mean that the default service will be basic and fast. Ethnic German clientele are a little more demanding with their service.
It also usually means the ambiance will be less day spa / men's club like and more party oriented, or even completely quiet and depressing at slow hours.
If someone can guide me to the right thread I will repost this there. But as this seems the most active perhaps posting here is most useful to most guys.
Dortmund is def not pussy central. A helpful member said saunaclub Penelope could prob deliver (20 minutes NW). I had low expectations but was pleasantly surprised. 30 entry and old school pricing of 50/ half including BBBJ.
The club is really quite nice. Clean and relatively large. I had been warned it's a bit of a Turkish sausage fest but it seems they don't take too many girls so it doesn't hurt the selection much. I went with a wingman and around 11 there were probably 15 ish girls spread about. No real stunners but plenty of pleasant looking girls wanting to suck your dick. Nice couches, kino, and an attentive bar maid. Mixed drinks are 10.
The best part about this club is the girls attitudes. There is absolutely no one coming around harassing you to go. But when you do engage, we found the girls to be pleasant and laid back. My friend took a very slim girl with dark features and reported she was excellent. I took two different girls first was a bit chubby and very Latina looking. She was a nice accommodating girl. We went to the porno for some light kissing and she stroked me up hard. It was a nice start. She charged 20 for kissing which was a bit light but def added ti the experience. No CIM allowed but after an excellent BBBJ and great fucking she finished me right up to the last second in front of the mirror. Solid experience. 70.
Second girl looked super cute in her Daisy Dukes. She was doing a lot of dancing and twerking and generally trying a lot harder than most girls to look sexy. Took her for a spin and oh my. She gives AMAZING head. And she would position herself so she's looking at me but on her side with her legs spread so I could feel her pussy. She was cautious about full deep FIV but I worked her pussy pretty good. She loves sucking cock and it shows. She got very wet and I was able to slide from her clit partially up into her pussy with my fingers and she seemed to really like it.
Superb fucking in all positions and 30 extra to CIM which I did. Great great session. 80.
All In all if you aren't out for top optics and will take a 6-7 who is sweet and performs well, then Penelope can be great for you. My wingman and I agreed we like it better than Sharks visit earlier in the week for the pricing, laid back girls, and overall vibe. Recommend.Penelope thread at the bottom of FKK.
All generalities but more often than not, service at clubs with heavy Turkish crowds will mean that the default service will be basic and fast. Ethnic German clientele are a little more demanding with their service.
It also usually means the ambiance will be less day spa / men's club like and more party oriented, or even completely quiet and depressing at slow hours.Ah, thank you. Sounds like Samya. I only went once and it felt like a nightclub. Not what I was looking for. Prefer more relaxed, spa like atmosphere.
Escape Artist
09-29-22, 04:11
Ah, thank you. Sounds like Samya. I only went once and it felt like a nightclub. Not what I was looking for. Prefer more relaxed, spa like atmosphere.Fortunately not quite as loud and packed as Samya. More space to spread out. You could probably get some relax time in during the daytime but the facilities are more dilapidated and ambience a little boring.
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