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Admin
01-01-00, 01:00
Thread Starter.

Geolopes
05-19-14, 17:16
Thread Starter.Let's get this BB's site reactivated and leave the "Puerto Plata" thread to our ex-pat experts and / or the POP noobs that adore the mob scene at Cristals.

Charles Pooter
05-19-14, 22:10
Let's get this BB's site reactivated and leave the "Puerto Plata" thread to our ex-pat experts and / or the POP noobs that adore the mob scene at Cristals.Good thinking!

Dveight
05-19-14, 23:47
Let's get this BB's site reactivated and leave the "Puerto Plata" thread to our ex-pat experts and / or the POP noobs that adore the mob scene at Cristals.I agree Geolopes...I like it!

StrawBoy
05-20-14, 04:43
It has been 15 years! It is such a great success.


I agree Geolopes...I like it!

Geolopes
05-21-14, 16:36
Here's a Throwback Tuesday post of my very first trip to BB's in 2009. Anybody elese?

Yanqui69
05-21-14, 23:52
My first visit to BB was in 2005 and India was an icon there.

She just about retired the Bikini Contest prize when she competed.

Not hard to see why.

She's a "civilian" now in Puerto Plata.

StrawBoy
05-22-14, 01:01
She is gorgeous and can certainly work a couple more years at BB.

What is the average tenure at BB? Most girls told me it is 4 years. But I am sure it is longer than that.


My first visit to BB was in 2005 and India was an icon there.

She just about retired the Bikini Contest prize when she competed.

Not hard to see why.

She's a "civilian" now in Puerto Plata.

Yanqui69
05-22-14, 01:20
She is gorgeous and can certainly work a couple more years at BB.

What is the average tenure at BB? Most girls told me it is 4 years. But I am sure it is longer than that.My novia showed me a recent photo of her and it seems she's gained about 5 lbs and gotten some breast augmentation, but she still looks hot.

I'm not an expert but 4-5 years sounds about right. The only chica I still recognize on their newsletters is Hilda. She's been there about 4-5 years now.

Its a combination of "burn out" and lack of desire to continue, or making enough money for their needs, or losing their looks.

For some, sitting around all day, with daily intake of beer / drinks, etc, takes its toll.

Manny51
05-22-14, 01:28
She is gorgeous and can certainly work a couple more years at BB.

What is the average tenure at BB? Most girls told me it is 4 years. But I am sure it is longer than that.What? She is average at best. If she is an "All Timer" at Blackbeards, then count me a Field of Dreams fan.

StrawBoy
05-22-14, 02:19
For some reasons I do not understand, many chicas at BB ad FOD use their real names rather than fake working names.

So you can find them on facebooks by searching their real names. And you can see their aging process. It is amazing how fast they can lose their looks. In just four years, A "ten" chica can age to "six" and gain 40 pounds.

It is shocking that beauty is so fragile. It is equally shocking that they do not hide that they are working at BB and FOD. Their families and friends can easily find out from their facebook postings. It is really a different culture.


My novia showed me a recent photo of her and it seems she's gained about 5 lbs and gotten some breast augmentation, but she still looks hot.

I'm not an expert but 4-5 years sounds about right. The only chica I still recognize on their newsletters is Hilda. She's been there about 4-5 years now.

Its a combination of "burn out" and lack of desire to continue, or making enough money for their needs, or losing their looks.

For some, sitting around all day, with daily intake of beer / drinks, etc, takes its toll.

Yanqui69
05-22-14, 02:26
For some reasons I do not understand, many chicas at BB ad FOD use their real names rather than fake working names.

So you can find them on facebooks by searching their real names. And you can see their aging process. It is amazing how fast they can lose their looks. In just four years, A "ten" chica can age to "six" and gain 40 pounds.

It is shocking that beauty is so fragile. It is equally shocking that they do not hide that they are working at BB and FOD. Their families and friends can easily find out from their facebook postings. It is really a different culture.That is new; false names were the norm.

Many also did not like face photos or their pics posted on the net.

Seems to be a different culture now.

StrawBoy
05-22-14, 02:41
Some are asking me to add them as my friends at facebook. I really do not understand the logic here.


That is new; false names were the norm.

Many also did not like face photos or their pics posted on the net.

Seems to be a different culture now.

Bliadun
05-22-14, 09:08
Chicas think that everyone can become Western Union novio and / or repeat customer. And maybe even a ticket from the island.


Some are asking me to add them as my friends at facebook. I really do not understand the logic here.

Bliadun
05-22-14, 09:20
Most of them would use real name if it was not for unwritten rule not to have 2 chicas with same name to avoid confusion.

They may not like if you post nude or not so good (in their opinion) photos on your page. Yet, they post many of their photos shot at BB. Shocked me at first too.


That is new; false names were the norm.

Many also did not like face photos or their pics posted on the net.

Seems to be a different culture now.

Yanqui69
05-22-14, 14:19
Some are asking me to add them as my friends at facebook. I really do not understand the logic here.Same here. Need a local (male, hopefully) to explain it.

I can just see it, "Daddy, who's this lady on your Facebook page? Why does she call you Papi?

StrawBoy
05-22-14, 15:19
I have a fake facebook account. Only chicas are my friends for that account. It really just takes 1 min before my friends find out the professions of these chicas if they are added as friends of my main facebook account.


Same here. Need a local (male, hopefully) to explain it.

I can just see it, "Daddy, who's this lady on your Facebook page? Why does she call you Papi?

Dveight
05-22-14, 22:29
I have a fake facebook account. Only chicas are my friends for that account. It really just takes 1 min before my friends find out the professions of these chicas if they are added as friends of my main facebook account.Me too! No way in hell I would ever give one of these girls my real Facebook account...that's just nucking futs! I don't tell many people about my hobby...BB's should be like Fight Club...The 1st rule of Blackbeards is...You don't talk about Blackbeard's.

Dveight
05-22-14, 22:31
Some are asking me to add them as my friends at facebook. I really do not understand the logic here.I'll give them my fake FB account or my what's App # but the first time they request money..the-E-L-E-T-E.

StrawBoy
05-23-14, 02:10
I told them I was in North Korea where no Western Union can be found. But it was kind of interesting to see their lives through their FB postings.

How often do we know a pro's life in Canada or USA? We do not even know their real life. It is also amazing that how fast they lose their looks.

For example, Chantal just downgrades from 9 to 6 in just two years judging from her FB timeline (she had her second baby in this time frame).

Another chica is saving money to buy a 2008 Honda CRV as per her FB posting. I would imagine she is the richest chica there.


I'll give them my fake FB account or my what's App # but the first time they request money..the-E-L-E-T-E.

Charles Pooter
05-23-14, 03:22
The 1st rule of Blackbeards is...You don't talk about Blackbeard's.I don't think the management would agree with you. In fact the owner (John), specifically told me that their main source of new clients was word of mouth recommendation.

Dveight
05-23-14, 04:13
I don't think the management would agree with you. In fact the owner (John), specifically told me that their main source of new clients was word of mouth recommendation.IT WAS A JOKE! But I don't think that they are hurting..Tim told me recently they turn away over 300 reservations a month because they didn't have room available..I think the word is out.

StrawBoy
05-23-14, 21:03
It is hard to believe the business is so good. It might be busy on the weekends. But I believe it is quite dead during the middle of the week.


IT WAS A JOKE! But I don't think that they are hurting..Tim told me recently they turn away over 300 reservations a month because they didn't have room available..I think the word is out.

Ath Trainer
05-23-14, 22:59
IT WAS A JOKE! But I don't think that they are hurting..Tim told me recently they turn away over 300 reservations a month because they didn't have room available..I think the word is out.To see it is to believe it. Just cause he says hes turning 300 a month away, doesn't mean its accurate. Come on now.

Dveight
05-24-14, 16:58
To see it is to believe it. Just cause he says hes turning 300 a month away, doesn't mean its accurate. Come on now.I can believe that they are fully booked every weekend...its always packed. In fact after my most recent trip I decided that next time I go it will be Sunday to Friday. There are people there during the week, but its not nearly as packed..doesn't mean all the rooms aren't booked. Who knows, but if I was a betting man, I would guess they are doing alright.

Yanqui69
05-24-14, 22:43
I can believe that they are fully booked every weekend...its always packed. In fact after my most recent trip I decided that next time I go it will be Sunday to Friday. There are people there during the week, but its not nearly as packed..doesn't mean all the rooms aren't booked. Who knows, but if I was a betting man, I would guess they are doing alright.Weekends are when people can get away, incorporate into days-off from jobs, etc, but if one likes a laid-back atmosphere, those weekday off-days are great.

If you want to hang or party with other guys, the weekends are Animal House with women, but chilling during the week with a laptop, book, free cup of coffee and / or a cigar (with women) has a lot to be said for it.

Pick a chica you can enjoy spending some non-bed time with, walk to the Costambar beach (usually deserted on weekdays) buy a couple of beers, and you can have a very enjoyable, leisurely time.

Manizales911
05-26-14, 02:59
Me too! No way in hell I would ever give one of these girls my real Facebook account...that's just nucking futs! I don't tell many people about my hobby...BB's should be like Fight Club...The 1st rule of Blackbeards is...You don't talk about Blackbeard's.I have a ton of DR and Colombian chicas as my friends on FB, if any of my other friends or family don't like it they can go f**k themselves and / or unfriend me. I'm not changing the way I live my life or trying to make people believe I am someone I'm not. I can't count how many girls I lost contact with because I DIDN'T have them as friends on FB because they break, lose or have their phones stolen and hence they lose their phone number, FB acts as backup, now I don't lose any chica contacts ever.

Manizales911
05-26-14, 03:02
I told them I was in North Korea where no Western Union can be found. But it was kind of interesting to see their lives through their FB postings.Geez, why do you have to lie to them, I don't like to be lied to so I try not to lie to other people, just simply tell them "NO". And if you think they are dumb enough to believe your bullshit story you'd be wrong amigo.

StrawBoy
05-26-14, 03:07
It is a joke of course. I am sure every chica gets it. Even they know it is impossible to travel to North Korea unless I have a Chinese / Russian passport.


Geez, why do you have to lie to them, I don't like to be lied to so I try not to lie to other people, just simply tell them "NO". And if you think they are dumb enough to believe your bullshit story you'd be wrong amigo.

Manizales911
05-26-14, 03:10
I'm not an expert but 4-5 years sounds about right. The only chica I still recognize on their newsletters is Hilda. She's been there about 4-5 years now.

Its a combination of "burn out" and lack of desire to continue, or making enough money for their needs, or losing their looks.

For some, sitting around all day, with daily intake of beer / drinks, etc, takes its toll.Hilda has been there at least six years because I banged her in 2008. Unfortunately I distinctly remember it because when I got her in doggy the stink was so bad I ended the session, LOL.

Bliadun
05-26-14, 05:01
Just tell them that you will start using WU only when technology will allow to wire a pussy, not just the money LOL.


It is a joke of course. I am sure every chica gets it. Even they know it is impossible to travel to North Korea unless I have a Chinese / Russian passport.

Bliadun
05-26-14, 05:04
And her skills are getting better.


Hilda has been there at least six years because I banged her in 2008. Unfortunately I distinctly remember it because when I got her in doggy the stink was so bad I ended the session, LOL.

Lorenzo
05-26-14, 05:10
It is a joke of course. I am sure every chica gets it. Even they know it is impossible to travel to North Korea unless I have a Chinese / Russian passport.Absolutely not true. You can travel there on a US passport--I have done it--but you must travel with an authorized tour group and you can stay only 3 days.

StrawBoy
05-26-14, 13:58
I need a better joke next time.


Absolutely not true. You can travel there on a US passport--I have done it--but you must travel with an authorized tour group and you can stay only 3 days.

Yanqui69
05-26-14, 14:39
I have a ton of DR and Colombian chicas as my friends on FB, if any of my other friends or family don't like it they can go f**k themselves and / or unfriend me. I'm not changing the way I live my life or trying to make people believe I am someone I'm not. I can't count how many girls I lost contact with because I DIDN'T have them as friends on FB because they break, lose or have their phones stolen and hence they lose their phone number, FB acts as backup, now I don't lose any chica contacts ever.Ah, but you are a special case, amigo.

You are a free, independent male who already has the experience of divorce put behind him, no?

"It is truly a happy man who can tell the rest of the world to go screw themselves." (Confucius or Lao Tsu, - or maybe Charlie Sheen)

Qw123
05-30-14, 01:14
I have booked my first trip to Blackbeards mid June, and I am really looking forward to it. I know the German FKK scene reasonably well now (I live in Germany), plus I have been to Thailand and the Philippines quite a few times, but this will be my first experience of mongering in the Americas. Loads of great info on this forum has given me a reasonable insight into how Blackbeards work and the pricing system. One question I do have however. Is it kind of normal and expected to buy the girls drinks throughout your stay (in a similar way to how it is normal to buy Thai and Philippino girls drinks before a bar fine)? If yes, should I budget a reasonable amount for this?

Dveight
05-30-14, 01:46
I have booked my first trip to Blackbeards mid June, and I am really looking forward to it. I know the German FKK scene reasonably well now (I live in Germany), plus I have been to Thailand and the Philippines quite a few times, but this will be my first experience of mongering in the Americas. Loads of great info on this forum has given me a reasonable insight into how Blackbeards work and the pricing system. One question I do have however. Is it kind of normal and expected to buy the girls drinks throughout your stay (in a similar way to how it is normal to buy Thai and Philippino girls drinks before a bar fine)? If yes, should I budget a reasonable amount for this?Not nearly the pressure of Thailand / or PI for drinks from the girls. They also don't get the a commission on drinks so there is no up charge. I by the chic I am with or one I have known for awhile the occasional drink..but nothing like I spend on drinks in Asia.

StrawBoy
05-30-14, 16:57
If you stay there for a week, many chicas will ask you to buy them drinks because you probably have already booked appointments with more than 10 chicas. I even bought drinks for Marmasan a few times because we chit chat a lot. But, there is really not much pressure at all.

But the real problem is that BB is a very small place. It becomes quite boring quickly. There is not much going on during the day. So you have nothing to do but to drink. I barely drink at home, and drank quite a lot at BB. I will bring work to BB. It is not because I want to work that hard. It is more about I need to something to occupy my mind.

Unless you can deal with the boredom, you need to budget more for your own drinks.


Not nearly the pressure of Thailand / or PI for drinks from the girls. They also don't get the a commission on drinks so there is no up charge. I by the chic I am with or one I have known for awhile the occasional drink..but nothing like I spend on drinks in Asia.

Dveight
05-30-14, 17:19
the real problem is that BB is a very small place. It becomes quite boring quickly. There is not much going on during the day. So you have nothing to do but to drink. I barely drink at home, and drank quite a lot at BB.

Unless you can deal with the boredom, you need to budget more for your own drinks.That is VERY true StrawBoy.

Qw123
05-30-14, 21:35
I work for myself, so I always have something I can be doing, as long as I have my laptop. So I don't expect to get bored. Plus I am hoping to spend some of the time chatting to the other guests, just as it is always fun to chat to fellow mongers in the FKK's, swapping stories and experiences of practicing our hobby around the world. If anyone of you are going to be at BB the week 17th June to 24th June please PM me and let me know.

One other question. I do not speak Spanish, so I am expecting communication with most of the girls will unfortunately be somewhat limited. I do speak pretty good French, but I am guessing there are very few girls, if any, at BB from Haiti? (where at least with these girls I could have a longer and more detailed conversation). Hopefully some of the girls will be able to speak at least some English.

Manizales911
05-30-14, 22:35
I work for myself, so I always have something I can be doing, as long as I have my laptop. So I don't expect to get bored. Plus I am hoping to spend some of the time chatting to the other guests, just as it is always fun to chat to fellow mongers in the FKK's, swapping stories and experiences of practicing our hobby around the world. If anyone of you are going to be at BB the week 17th June to 24th June please PM me and let me know.

One other question. I do not speak Spanish, so I am expecting communication with most of the girls will unfortunately be somewhat limited. I do speak pretty good French, but I am guessing there are very few girls, if any, at BB from Haiti? (where at least with these girls I could have a longer and more detailed conversation). Hopefully some of the girls will be able to speak at least some English.I've only seen one Haitian girl at BB's in eight years, too bad though. Whether it be BB's or FOD, one has to remember that the gate isn't locking you in the place. Guys that say they are bored there are only bored there because they are either afraid to leave, lazy or cheap. There is a beach within walking distance of BB's with some small beach bars and restaurants and there is a golf course nearby also. It is very expensive to take a taxi out of there but if you get a couple other guys to share a cab it isn't. If you have some spanish skills you can take a moto out to the highway and take the local means of transportation that is dirt cheap. And if money is no object take a girl with you, she'll know her way around. But again, if you are like most guys that stay at these places you, not you personally, are too cheap or scared or lazy and then blame it on the establishment. What are they supposed to do, have freeking donkey shows every afternoon?

Lou32
05-31-14, 01:34
I've only seen one Haitian girl at BB's in eight years, too bad though. Whether it be BB's or FOD, one has to remember that the gate isn't locking you in the place. Guys that say they are bored there are only bored there because they are either afraid to leave, lazy or cheap. There is a beach within walking distance of BB's with some small beach bars and restaurants and there is a golf course nearby also. It is very expensive to take a taxi out of there but if you get a couple other guys to share a cab it isn't. If you have some spanish skills you can take a moto out to the highway and take the local means of transportation that is dirt cheap. And if money is no object take a girl with you, she'll know her way around. But again, if you are like most guys that stay at these places you, not you personally, are too cheap or scared or lazy and then blame it on the establishment. What are they supposed to do, have freeking donkey shows every afternoon?BB itself can get boring but I agree, if you can work around the taxi mafia there are things to do outside of the area.

Tempoecorto
05-31-14, 06:14
But again, if you are like most guys that stay at these places you, not you personally, are too cheap or scared or lazy and then blame it on the establishment. I traveled extensively in Asia (Korea was a strange place where I thought the locals were really crude with the women) but because of lack of time and total unfamiliarity with the languages, almost always, went with paid companionship. Whether it is the ubiquitous massage or dance bar or whatever. My experience in Koln, Frankfurt, Hamburg, London, Glasgow, Milan, Lyon, Zurich, Sydney, Auckland, heck, Tahiti are the same. Pay as you go. It is only in the DR (and I have not done South America), I first ran into regular locals (granted they may not, by some definition be that regular but I pay always sometimes under the subterfuge of a "girlfriend"thanks partly to the language but in general to a different attitude. Indeed, I cannot quite fathom as to why the DR women give "it" away so easily, despite all the issues not excluding the catholic prudishness and lack of access to birth control. It is in the DR where despite my age, I have been able to say " Hello, I love you. Won't you tell me your name" when I was lucky enough to get into the pants of a girl fished direct from the Uni. Someone I have never seen in my life half an hour before or since.

But thanks to that, I have very little time to get bored as I have to chase skirts and because it is not guaranteed, for a week or so it is fun. Moral of the story, knock on wood, so far, I have not seen the insides of BLACKBEARD or a casa. Long live the DR women!

Charles Pooter
05-31-14, 16:43
I've only seen one Haitian girl at BB's in eight years, too bad though. Whether it be BB's or FOD, one has to remember that the gate isn't locking you in the place. Guys that say they are bored there are only bored there because they are either afraid to leave, lazy or cheap. There is a beach within walking distance of BB's with some small beach bars and restaurants and there is a golf course nearby also. It is very expensive to take a taxi out of there but if you get a couple other guys to share a cab it isn't. If you have some spanish skills you can take a moto out to the highway and take the local means of transportation that is dirt cheap. And if money is no object take a girl with you, she'll know her way around. But again, if you are like most guys that stay at these places you, not you personally, are too cheap or scared or lazy and then blame it on the establishment. What are they supposed to do, have freeking donkey shows every afternoon?I think it is generational thing. It is mainly younger guys who get bored, whether at Blackbeards or anywhere else. They have grown up with the facility to push a switch and instantly make something happen, so they cannot function without external stimulation. Older guys have more internal resources. They have also probably been through enough in their lives to know that lying next to the pool in the warm sunshine with a cold drink at hand, and surrounded by attractive, half-naked girls who are immediately available at a modest price, is not the worse place to be.

My first visit to Blackbeards (and the DR, and the Americas) was eight years ago. I was there for two weeks and was not bored for a second. I could have stayed another month, no problem. Talking to the other guys was a big part of the experience, especially as it was all new to me.

I have never stayed there since, because once you know your way around there is better value to be had, but I would never knock the place. It is a great introduction to the island. Maybe it would take it to close down for guys to really appreciate the great facility it was. Let's hope that never happens.

At that time there were five Haitians working there, Nadine, Rosaline, Felicia, and I forget the others' names. They all shared a bungalow nearby. Felicia was working at FoD recently, maybe still is. Sweet girl and still attractive, but now 27 so way past my age-range.

I imagine the fact that there are none now is down to labor regulations rather than any prejudice on BB's part.

As Manizales states, the cost or inconvenience of getting out of Blackbeards (and, more importantly, of getting back there after dark) is the one big minus point there. If you have itchy feet and a tight budget, stay somewhere else like FoD. A lesser point is that the beach, though pleasant to walk along, is not great to swim from, but I have not noticed that sea-swimming is that important to many mongers.

Charles Pooter
05-31-14, 17:52
If anyone of you are going to be at BB the week 17th June to 24th June please PM me and let me know.I have no plans to visit Blackbeards but if you are in Puerto Plata during the day I would be happy to meet for a drink on the Malecon (sea-front).



One other question. I do not speak Spanish, so I am expecting communication with most of the girls will unfortunately be somewhat limited.If you speak no Spanish, Blackbeards is a wise choice. It will impair your enjoyment somewhat, but less so there than most places.

I see you only have two weeks before travelling. I urge you to learn just the basic greetings, please / thank you, excuse me, etc and numerals. Even that little helps. The girls will enjoy teaching you names of body parts in Spanish. And start thinking in pesos now, not in your currency.



I do speak pretty good French, but I am guessing there are very few girls, if any, at BB from Haiti? (where at least with these girls I could have a longer and more detailed conversation).I wouldn't rely on having "longer and detailed conversations" in French with Haitians. Only the top 10% socially speak it with any fluency and they don't come to the DR to sell their pussies. Others speak it at various levels, from a few words to quote a lot. But French will help you communicate in Kreyol, which is what they do speak. My gf is Haitian. If any of her cousins are in town we could introduce you.

Qw123
05-31-14, 21:31
I have no plans to visit Blackbeards but if you are in Puerto Plata during the day I would be happy to meet for a drink on the Malecon (sea-front).Would be happy to, I will send you a PM.


I see you only have two weeks before travelling. I urge you to learn just the basic greetings, please / thank you, excuse me, etc and numerals. Even that little helps. The girls will enjoy teaching you names of body parts in Spanish. OK, I will try to learn some. When I retire I want to travel a lot, with hopefully a few weeks or months a year in Spanish speaking countries, so no harm in starting now.


And start thinking in pesos now, not in your currency.I can think in Filipino Peso by now, and since Dominican Peso's seem to worth about the same, hopefully it should not be too difficult.


I wouldn't rely on having "longer and detailed conversations" in French with Haitians. Only the top 10% socially speak it with any fluency and they don't come to the DR to sell their pussies. Others speak it at various levels, from a few words to quote a lot. But French will help you communicate in Kreyol, which is what they do speak. OK, this I did not realise. I was hoping it would be easy for me in Haiti, but it would appear not to be the case.


My gf is Haitian. If any of her cousins are in town we could introduce you.Sounds interesting.

Charles Pooter
05-31-14, 21:57
OK, this I did not realise. I was hoping it would be easy for me in Haiti, but it would appear not to be the case.I was writing of the DR. Haiti would be somewhat different. You would have a bigger range of people to talk to, so more French speakers among them. You would be dealing with officials, shop owners, taxi drivers, police, bank staff, and those in the hospitality business who would all have to know good French. Haitians in DR are mainly from the underclass with little or no education.

Even so, Haitian putas in the DR have more education on the whole than Dominican putas. Because in the DR anyone who wants to work can get at least some sort of job, however shitty, whereas in Haiti there are millions without work who are glad to work for a pittance, which is why they risk a lot (and pay a lot by their standards) to come to the DR.

Yanqui69
05-31-14, 22:30
BB itself can get boring but I agree, if you can work around the taxi mafia there are things to do outside of the area.In addition to a great, secluded (during the week) Costambar beach, at the west end of the Puerto Plata malecon is a reconstructed Spanish fort from the 16th Century. They have a few weapons, items, from the period in a couple of displays. A local guy gives a history of the place for a buck or so. You can buy a cold beer from a vendor outside on the malecon.

Additionally, for the more bored / ambitious, (its a drive that takes a few hours) but on the western end of the north coast is a place called La Isabela; (check on the internet).

It was a settlement founded in 1493 by Christopher Columbus. The foundation to his home is available for viewing. A small museum has items from the period. Very overlooked. If it was in the states, they would have made it a theme park...

Split a car with a few guys and its a way to pass a day.

Tempoecorto
05-31-14, 22:38
One other question. I do not speak Spanish, so I am expecting communication with most of the girls will unfortunately be somewhat limited. I do speak pretty good French, but I am guessing there are very few girls, if any, at BB from Haiti? [Non-English text deleted by Admin] Do I need to do the English translation to make my point. As required by the site admin?

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Yanqui69
06-07-14, 16:19
Okay, its pretty obvious I have time on my hands.

Attaching a few pics of BB Chicas from "back in the day".

Louisa / Mueca / Barbi. The chica with the mind-blowing tetas. Any old-timers know how she is these days?

Annie. Extremely cute, but definitely a hard-core hooker. Last I heard, she was working in a local Dominican brothel.

Yuri. A Santo Domingo native, was a sweetie, and a Halle Berry look-alike to boot.

India. A BB icon.

Manizales911
06-07-14, 16:28
Okay, its pretty obvious I have time on my hands.

Attaching a few pics of BB Chicas from "back in the day".

Louisa / Mueca / Barbi. The chica with the mind-blowing tetas. Any old-timers know how she is these days?

Annie. Extremely cute, but definitely a hard-core hooker. Last I heard, she was working in a local Dominican brothel.

Yuri. A Santo Domingo native, was a sweetie, and a Halle Berry look-alike to boot.

India. A BB icon.India is working at FOD and has been for about a year.

Yanqui69
06-08-14, 00:14
India is working at FOD and has been for about a year.A couple of shots of India in 2008. Is the chica you saw, Manizales?

Manizales911
06-08-14, 05:15
A couple of shots of India in 2008. Is the chica you saw, Manizales?I think I have the wrong girl Yanqui69,this is the girl that I thought was India.

Husker Dude
06-08-14, 06:15
I think I have the wrong girl Yanqui69,this is the girl that I thought was India.Yes it is the wrong girl. That is Billy at FOD.

Manny51
06-08-14, 14:15
Yes it is the wrong girl. That is Billy at FOD.Now this is what I am talking about. This girl Billy is MUCH prettier than any photo I have seen of any BB girl for years. Why are guys so high on BB and so down on FOD?

Yanqui69
06-08-14, 15:09
Now this is what I am talking about. This girl Billy is MUCH prettier than any photo I have seen of any BB girl for years. Why are guys so high on BB and so down on FOD?I think the problem is more related to management / customer service than the girls.

Many girls have worked at both BB and FOD. The girls change over time, but the quality of girls at FOD has improved and is on a par with BB.

I have had very good times with girls at both places.

Since it started under "Dominican Billy" back in 2004/5, FOD has had problems with effective management.

BB has evolved over the same time, and has managed to work out most of the bugs, though problems surface from time to time. Its business model is working pretty efficiently, and is well above the typical DR. Difference is, BB usually makes a good effort at fixing the problem.

Unless it has changed, the food was very good and reasonably priced.

With respect, most DR businesses will provide poor or half-assed service, and thinking all tourists are rich (by DR standards they are) they will overcharge.

Look at the taxi Mafia in Costambar. Their prices probably scare off a lot of business, but they refuse to charge a reasonable price.

They intimidate any cabbies from outside from picking up fares in Costambar.

Another example, at Playa Dorada, I felt like having a cigar. I asked a vendor selling from a table outside for a cigar for one dollar. He said he had none.

Trust me, he had cigars comparable to the shopping plaza next door, and there were cigars worth less than a dollar.

Damn, I would have bought a lousy cigarillo, a small cigar, - but not for over a dollar. He insisted he had no cigar for only one dollar, regardless of size.

Fine. So I bought none. He made no sale at all.

That is the perfect example of the Dominican business model, and why so many fail.

FOD has struggled through a series of owners / managers, and always seems to take the wrong direction just when you think they have finally gotten it right.

FOD has a lot of factors in its favor, chiefly being proximity to Playa Dorada. It has the potential to replace Cristal's as the "sneak away" place servicing Playa Dorada guests. Unfortunately, given its track record, it will find a way to screw it up.

Yanqui69
06-08-14, 15:22
Now this is what I am talking about. This girl Billy is MUCH prettier than any photo I have seen of any BB girl for years. Why are guys so high on BB and so down on FOD?Senor, en serio?

Did you look at the pics I posted earlier in the BB Retrospective of some of the chicas that worked at BB?

Charles Pooter
06-08-14, 19:11
With respect, most DR businesses will provide poor or half-assed service, and thinking all tourists are rich (by DR standards they are) they will overcharge ... That is the perfect example of the Dominican business model, and why so many fail ... unfortunately, given its track record, it will find a way to screw it up.Careful, you will have Manny on your case! Maybe something like this:


I am surprised that you would make such a wantonly insulting statement about Dominicans ... This is their business. Unlike you and I, their livelihood depends on it. I am sure that they know the dollars and cents of it better than you.

Yanqui69
06-08-14, 21:10
Careful, you will have Manny on your case! Maybe something like this:I know, Sir Charles, I saw the last exchange.

I'll refrain from any comments about it being some sort of genetic trait, and I usually try to back up any assertions I make with evidence.

God, I really root for these people. They are burdened with incompetent / corrupt government at every level, and the only thing cheap in the DR is the labor of its people.

As you know, prices in the DR are not cheap, and how can a person raise a family on a $200 US per month salary? (Typical sales / office worker).

I wish I could see more working for themselves versus some exploitive boss / company.

Don't know if what I have seen is only reserved for the gringos, or whether they use it on their fellow Dominicanos.

When business is bad, raise the prices. Don't offer a temporary discount to draw new customers.
Unfortunately, if revenues drop by half, doubling the prices to make up the difference won't work.


Saw a Dominican lemonade stand just outside an all-inclusive resort.

Sign said: "Lemonade, One Glass $100,000 US Dollars".

Told the owner, "You won't sell many glasses of lemonade at that price".

He replied, "No, but I only have to sell one. "

Ba-dump-bump!

Manny51
06-09-14, 01:31
Careful, you will have Manny on your case! Maybe something like this:Using sarcasm to try and distract from your own nonsense is lame.

You posted what comes off as a very racist opinion. Be a man and either stand by it or retract it. I occasionally post hasty opinions, and when called on it, will pull it back. Don't try and attack me. I had nothing to do with you said.

Questner
06-09-14, 06:00
I think I have the wrong girl Yanqui69,this is the girl that I thought was India.Yes, she is a looker, regrettably her body and tits have been all ruined.

Charles Pooter
06-10-14, 00:18
Using sarcasm to try and distract from your own nonsense is lame.

You posted what comes off as a very racist opinion. Be a man and either stand by it or retract it. I occasionally post hasty opinions, and when called on it, will pull it back. Don't try and attack me. I had nothing to do with you said.Firstly, I do apologize for roping in Yanqui69 and embarrassing him. While I am confident his opinions on the matter largely coincide with mine, and his posts in this thread support that, I should have left it to him to chip in as and when he wished.

I also apologize for using the word "genetic" so loosely if it offends you. Of course, it takes thousands of years for genes to mutate. However this is a misuse which is widely employed and normally attracts no comment. If you look on the BBC sports pages you will see a reference to soccer ability being in Brazilians' genes which, if taken literally, is equally nonsense. Unless someone is a genetic scientist I wouldn't expect them to get their knickers in a twist about it.

I used "genetic" as sloppy shorthand for "endemic social practice".

But I invite you in turn to apologize for your pathetically early use of the race card. A flame war usually runs for quite a few posts before someone sinks that low. For one thing, Dominicans are not a "race", by any of the many possible definitions of that word. And the majority are guilty of the practices which I criticize, black, brown, white and all other mixtures and variations. 95% of the posters here who who have spent any time on the island, and ex-pats most of all, are familiar with the malpractices I described.

I hate the fault, not the defaulter. Like Yanqui69, I am aware of the historical reasons things are like this and how difficult it is for more than a few to break free from brainwashing by the ruling class, the church, and the military.

Almost all my spare time, and more of my money than I can afford, is spent working to help the most desperate strata of society here. I spend a lot of time in the poorest barrios and I travel by moto and carrito publico. Although a gringo will never be privy to all that goes on, I have got a better education doing that for five years than someone who has made two or three visits and stays at Oxygen and drives around in a rental. That does not qualify you to become an expert on the real DR.

Manny51
06-10-14, 00:21
Firstly, I do apologize for roping in Yanqui69 and embarrassing him. While I am confident his opinions on the matter largely coincide with mine, and his posts in this thread support that, I should have left it to him to chip in as and when he wished.

I also apologize for using the word "genetic" so loosely if it offends you. Of course, it takes thousands of years for genes to mutate. However this is a misuse which is widely employed and normally attracts no comment. If you look on the BBC sports pages you will see a reference to soccer ability being in Brazilian's genes which, if taken literally, is equally nonsense. Unless someone is a genetic scientist I wouldn't expect them to get their knickers in a twist about it.

I used "genetic" as sloppy shorthand for "endemic social practice".

But I invite you in turn to apologize for your pathetically early use of the race card. A flame war usually runs for quite a few posts before someone sinks that low. For one thing, Dominicans are not a "race", by any of the many possible definitions of that word. And the majority are guilty of the practices which I criticize, black, brown, white and all other mixtures and variations. 95% of the posters here who who have spent any time on the island, and ex-pats most of all, are familiar with the malpractices I described.

I hate the fault, not the defaulter. Like Yanqui69, I am aware of the historical reasons things are like this and how difficult it is for more than a few to break free from the brainwashing by the ruling class, the church, and the military.

Almost all my spare time, and more of my money than I can afford, is spent working to help the most desperate strata of society here. I spend a lot of time in the poorest barrios and I travel by moto and carrito publico. Although a gringo will never be privy to all that goes on, I have got a better education doing that for five years than someone who has made two or three visits and stays at Oxygen and drives around in a rental. That does not qualify you to become an expert.You made a racist statement, and I called it out. I am not going to apologize to you because you claim to actually be a good guy that really "understands" them. Give me a break.

Dude, you took it back. That's fine. Don't drag it on anymore. It makes you look insincere.

Manizales911
06-10-14, 01:13
Almost all my spare time, and more of my money than I can afford, is spent working to help the most desperate strata of society here. I spend a lot of time in the poorest barrios and I travel by moto and carrito publico. Although a gringo will never be privy to all that goes on, I have got a better education doing that for five years than someone who has made two or three visits and stays at Oxygen and drives around in a rental. That does not qualify you to become an expert on the real DR.I am aware of the volunteer work that you do and I commend you for it, you are fighting a noble but never ending battle, keep up the good work.

Yanqui69
06-10-14, 04:01
You made a racist statement, and I called it out. I am not going to apologize to you because you claim to actually be a good guy that really "understands" them. Give me a break.

Dude, you took it back. That's fine. Don't drag it on anymore. It makes you look insincere.Okay. Group hug.

Focus your attention on this. - Ybel at BB bikini contest, "back in the day".

DustCloudC5
06-10-14, 04:11
Okay. Group hug.

Focus your attention on this. - Ybel at BB bikini contest, "back in the day".Going down on Friday. These pics have got me looking forward to it.

Manizales911
06-10-14, 05:04
Okay. Group hug.

Focus your attention on this. - Ybel at BB bikini contest, "back in the day".I wish we could post videos here, I have a bunch of them of Ibel in the bikini contests, a true show girl.

Yanqui69
06-10-14, 14:15
I wish we could post videos here, I have a bunch of them of Ibel in the bikini contests, a true show girl.A buddy of mine had a few Happy Hours with her and Yohanny. Since we were both there at the same time, I didn't get the chance and regret it to this day.

I spent some time with Yohanny and can only imagine what the two of them together would have been like.

His accounts made it sound like the ultimate experience.

The last morning, the four of us were having breakfast together. Yohanny gave Ibel a good review of my DATY skills, and Ibel wanted a go with me.

Unfornately, I was already all packed and ready to leave, and just didn't have time.

I told Ibel I didn't have time, and she said: "Its okay, I just sock your deek. ".

She could have been a porn star.

Its the sins of omission you really regret.

Yanqui69
06-10-14, 15:09
Now I have a question. Someone asked me about hourly rentals at BB and I know they did this in the past, but not sure about now.

I presume its a question of available vacancies.

Does anyone know if they currently rent hourly, and what the price is?

Manizales911
06-10-14, 22:44
A buddy of mine had a few Happy Hours with her and Yohanny. Since we were both there at the same time, I didn't get the chance and regret it to this day.

I spent some time with Yohanny and can only imagine what the two of them together would have been like.

His accounts made it sound like the ultimate experience.

The last morning, the four of us were having breakfast together. Yohanny gave Ibel a good review of my DATY skills, and Ibel wanted a go with me.

Unfornately, I was already all packed and ready to leave, and just didn't have time.

I told Ibel I didn't have time, and she said: "Its okay, I just sock your deek. ".

She could have been a porn star.

Its the sins of omission you really regret.I have posted several times on this forum that the best sex of my entire life was a threesome with Yohanny and Ibel. They were both truly into each other, best girl on girl action I've ever experienced and then when they teamed up on me holy shit, those two girls almost killed me.

Manizales911
06-10-14, 22:47
Now I have a question. Someone asked me about hourly rentals at BB and I know they did this in the past, but not sure about now.

I presume its a question of available vacancies.

Does anyone know if they currently rent hourly, and what the price is?Yes, they still do it if they have an open room but they are quite often booked solid on weekends, middle of the week usually isn't an issue. I don't remember the price, I think it was 800 pesos for two hours.

Yanqui69
06-10-14, 23:34
Yes, they still do it if they have an open room but they are quite often booked solid on weekends, middle of the week usually isn't an issue. I don't remember the price, I think it was 800 pesos for two hours.Muchas Gracias, M911.

I had advised the guy to email BB to inquire about vacancies on the days he had in mind.

Thanks for the price as well.

DustCloudC5
06-20-14, 01:21
Got back from BB's Tuesday night. Overall a great few days. Saturday night was kind of strange, some local guy came in, bought a bottle of JW Black and held court at one of the patio tables. A handful of chicas decided to get drunk with him instead of "mingling" with the guests. However, Sunday was a great beach day and "encounters" over the next couple of days made me forget all about it. The food was great (try the sancocho), got to hang with some good guys and didn't think about work once. I still have a touch of "Montezuma's Revenge", no big deal.

And for the record: Mamasan Crystal, who is eight and a half months pregnant is the most beautiful woman on the face of the planet.

Cheers

StrawBoy
06-25-14, 23:47
She is one of my favourites. She found a German guy and moved to Santiago today to live with her family. She will be missed by many.

TeamHorny
06-27-14, 05:15
Sheila left today to work in St. Maartin for 6 months.

StrawBoy
06-27-14, 13:13
I think both of them have been there almost four years. It is time to retire. Sheila was very slim girl about two years ago, but gain some weight since last 12 mth.


Sheila left today to work in St. Maartin for 6 months..

Dveight
06-28-14, 01:58
She is one of my favourites. She found a German guy and moved to Santiago today to live with her family. She will be missed by many.She let her self go, and developed an attitude. The first time I met her at BB's she was fantastic, but after she realized that dudes liked her exotic looks she went downhill in my opinion. But good for her.

StrawBoy
06-28-14, 02:11
Her English is better than other girls. So for guys who know nothing about Spanish, she has an competitive advantage over other girls (I am one of the guys who cannot speak Spanish at all). She is intelligent enough to have interesting conversation in English, but super aggressive pushing for tips and appointments. However, if you spent time to know her, she is actually a quite good girl (not a good sex worker though). I heard Sheila, amber, and another girl (spinner type, very very good English, forget her name) are good friends.


She let her self go, and developed an attitude. The first time I met her at BB's she was fantastic, but after she realized that dudes liked her exotic looks she went downhill in my opinion. But good for her.

Daryll Musician
06-28-14, 03:57
I think both of them have been there almost four years. It is time to retire. Sheila was very slim girl about two years ago, but gain some weight since last 12 mth..I noticed her kind of letting herself go, but I didn't want to say anything like that to her. I think tenure for a BB chica is a little over two years, before it takes its toll on them.

Yanqui69
06-28-14, 16:18
I noticed her kind of letting herself go, but I didn't want to say anything like that to her. I think tenure for a BB chica is a little over two years, before it takes its toll on them.Hilda deserves some sort of plaque or award. She's been there 7 years.

Her face is a little fuller but in the newsletter photos she still has a killer body.

Haunted
08-01-14, 02:46
Went to Blackbeards on a Saturday. Was in PP and decided since I was so close, might as well check it out.

Didn't even realize I was walking into the Bikini Contest.

Roughly 20 girls. And about I would rank roughly 1/3 of them as 8 and above.

Girls were amazing. There were other girls not participating. Easily half of them were 7's and above.

Once the contest was over, about 2/3 of the guys there were gone. Here I thought the spectators were staying at BB's!

Got a few numbers, and left.

Returned few days later. Probably 3/4 of the same crew of girls, and just a handful of guys.

This time most of the girls were sitting by the bar chatting with each other. They of course gave smiles and winks etc. When I walked in, but the clique made it a little difficult for me to interview prospective partners.

All in all though, I think it's well worth the effort to make the short trek to BB.

PyroPyotr
08-04-14, 17:27
Hey folks!

I'm planning a trip to DR for early next year. It will also be my first time mongering internationlly. I'm experienced here in Canada, but expect things to be quite different once abroad. I've read through most threads concerning DR and I think I have decent picture of things on the ground.

My question is, would you consider BB the best place to stay for a first timer in DR?

Is there anything I should know about the place and it's "modus operandi" that's not explicitely covered on the website or thread?

Are there any good erotic massage parlors in Constanbar or Puerto Plata?

Any other pointers you guys would care to share with a DR newbie?

Thanks a lot for your help!

Charles Pooter
08-05-14, 02:26
My question is, would you consider BB the best place to stay for a first timer in DR?
If you have little or no Spanish, "yes".

If you have some Spanish, other options are open, though a matter of personal taste whether they are any better. If you have read as widely as you claim, you should have formed a good picture by now how we all have different preferences and priorities.



Is there anything I should know about the place and it's "modus operandi" that's not explicitely covered on the website or thread?
No nasty surprises or hidden downsides. The odd thing can go wrong there (this is a Third World country and putas are humans, not robots) but probably less often there than anywhere else. They have been going about 12 years under the same gringo owner (a rarity in the DR) and have ironed out most of the problems by now.

You do not say how long you will be staying. Some guys might get bored if there for more than a week and it is not the most convenient place to get out of and back to at night except by taxi, which can get expensive. But for a week or less, on your first DR trip, there will be plenty to keep you amused.



Are there any good erotic massage parlors in Constambar or Puerto Plata?
None.

Sex on the North Coast of the DR does not favor erotic massage parlors. If you want sex, pay for sex. If you want a professional massage, pay for that. Trying to get both in one session usually results in inferior service.

Once you have some experience in the DR, you will probably find the best results from picking up freelance chicas, whether full-time or part-time hookers or non-pros. Most prostitution here is from independents, who are legal, rather than organzed by pimps, who are not (though they do exist). But Blackbeards is a safe option to learn the ropes.

PyroPyotr
08-05-14, 20:15
If you have little or no Spanish, "yes".

If you have some Spanish, other options are open, though a matter of personal taste whether they are any better. If you have read as widely as you claim, you should have formed a good picture by now how we all have different preferences and priorities.

No nasty surprises or hidden downsides. The odd thing can go wrong there (this is a Third World country and putas are humans, not robots) but probably less often there than anywhere else. They have been going about 12 years under the same gringo owner (a rarity in the DR) and have ironed out most of the problems by now.

You do not say how long you will be staying. Some guys might get bored if there for more than a week and it is not the most convenient place to get out of and back to at night except by taxi, which can get expensive. But for a week or less, on your first DR trip, there will be plenty to keep you amused...Great! That's exactly what I was looking for! Thanks for the info!

Yanqui69
08-20-14, 00:57
Just a question to any recent visitors to BlackBeards.

In the latest BB newsletter, there is a photo of Hilda in which her breasts are absolutely huge.

Now Hilda always had a huge chest, but they were natural; the ones in the pics are even bigger and defying gravity.

Does anyone who has been there recently know if she has had augmentation?

Dveight
08-20-14, 01:00
Just a question to any recent visitors to BlackBeards.

In the latest BB newsletter, there is a photo of Hilda in which her breasts are absolutely huge.

Now Hilda always had a huge chest, but they were natural; the ones in the pics are even bigger and defying gravity.

Does anyone who has been there recently know if she has had augmentation?I returned last week, although I didn't check them out first hand, it appeared to me that she has lost weight, thus making her breasts appear bigger. She was much smaller than I remember, so much so I barley recognized her.

StrawBoy
08-20-14, 01:29
Miriela looks gorgeous in the newsletter. She is less than 2 months in BB. Is she good? I have an urge to come back in two weeks to check out.


I returned last week, although I didn't check them out first hand, it appeared to me that she has lost weight, thus making her breasts appear bigger. She was much smaller than I remember, so much so I barley recognized her.

Dveight
08-20-14, 11:28
Miriela looks gorgeous in the newsletter. She is less than 2 months in BB. Is she good? I have an urge to come back in two weeks to check out.Can you post a pick of the girl your talking about from the newsletter, I am really bad with names.

BB's does have a ton of new talent since I was there in May. I could not believe the turnover.

StrawBoy
08-20-14, 14:41
Thanks. See picture. Her hair was black before, now she is a fake blond.

Not sure the turn-over is a good thing though. Some buddies told me the quality of talents dropped. Not sure whether it is true.


Can you post a pick of the girl your talking about from the newsletter, I am really bad with names.

BB's does have a ton of new talent since I was there in May. I could not believe the turnover.

Lakeside32
08-21-14, 18:56
Just a question to any recent visitors to BlackBeards.

In the latest BB newsletter, there is a photo of Hilda in which her breasts are absolutely huge.

Now Hilda always had a huge chest, but they were natural; the ones in the pics are even bigger and defying gravity.

Does anyone who has been there recently know if she has had augmentation?Dammit I was just there and didn't see her. Hilda was my very first in the RD, so I always get the urge to see her. Looks like she grew a couple sizes bigger as if she needed it, but I can't wait to examine up close.

Dveight
08-23-14, 16:21
I am fairly certain the girl in the picture was not there when I was there. She does not look familiar at all. Nor was the name familiar.

I think the talent turnover was great for Blackbeards. Personally, I was tired of seeing the same girls there time and time again, and appreciate the new variety. Also, overall they are better looking, IMHO. Performance wise I would say there was no change.


Thanks. See picture. Her hair was black before, now she is a fake blond.

Not sure the turn-over is a good thing though. Some buddies told me the quality of talents dropped. Not sure whether it is true.

Husker Dude
10-03-14, 23:37
Just a question to any recent visitors to BlackBeards.

In the latest BB newsletter, there is a photo of Hilda in which her breasts are absolutely huge.

Now Hilda always had a huge chest, but they were natural; the ones in the pics are even bigger and defying gravity.

Does anyone who has been there recently know if she has had augmentation?I just returned from BB and did see Hilda there but did not session. Hilda is all natural, no augmentation. They look bigger because she has dropped some weight and her body and face are thinner. The overall talent at BB is on the upswing. Lots of new tall thin girls there now. In fact a couple guys complained too many flaccas, not enough big booty type girls. I actually had hot water and decent water pressure, no electricity problems that I have had in the past. Fantastic overall experience at BB as well as FOD. Talent at both places improved.

ItsXJustXJizz
10-15-14, 21:48
I already purchased my tickets for a two week trip in March, and I'm trying to get all my info in order. I read this entire thread and the only thing about price that I seen was 800 dop for the room, what's the price for s / t or tln. My Spanish is good and I'm going to rent a car and hit up bc sd Sosua and other locations, I realize this probably isn't the best place for P4P in DR but I want to hit up BB and FOD just to say I've been there. Any info would help on BB or FOD.

Thanks

Manny51
10-16-14, 14:31
HI guys,

I was strongly considering going to BB for Halloween, but it turns out its full. But I heard that there are some nearby housing options, namely Jazmin and Atlantic One. Do people ever stay nearby, attend the party, and do takeout? Is that practical? Are these other places girl friendly?

Thanks!

Husker Dude
10-17-14, 04:47
HI guys,

I was strongly considering going to BB for Halloween, but it turns out its full. But I heard that there are some nearby housing options, namely Jazmin and Atlantic One. Do people ever stay nearby, attend the party, and do takeout? Is that practical? Are these other places girl friendly?

Thanks!Try the hotel right across the street from Sol Mia. I believe it's $20 for take out from BB.

JimJames
10-17-14, 21:14
Try the hotel right across the street from Sol Mia. I believe it's $20 for take out from BB.Hey Husker!

The place Husker is talking about is an apartment building that has places to rent by the night, week, month etc. Very reasonable rates. I know people that have stayed there in the past when BB has been full.

There is a Cafe there in front called Rick's Cafe. It is no more then 2 block walk from BB.

Here is their Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ricks-Caf%C3%A8/578405362189618

If that doesn't work here is the phone. 1 809-970-7245.

Henley100
02-12-15, 03:15
Hey,

Recently did a week+ visit to Blackbeards and really enjoyed it. Second time I've visited, and I really tried to embrace it this time. My first trip was fun, but I didn't circulate much with the girls or with the other guests. I'd go to the bar, pull a girl for short time, have fun, then go back to relaxing. This time I was much more immersive. Spent a lot of time with the chicas. Wifed up for overnights quite a bit, spent a lot of time in the bar, drinking, buying drinks for whatever girl I was with and her friends, etc. Also met a lot of like-minded guys, shared beers and conversation.

The girls are spectacular. There are many, many beautiful girls there. Runs the entire gambit: sexy, sweet, fun, cute, stunningly beautiful, etc. I was just as impressed as I was last time. I spent time with old friends, and met plenty of new girls. All enjoyable.

Food was great, as before. I purposely hit as many dishes as I could and was never really disappointed. I'm not saying it's all 4 star, but good and well prepared. Pool was great. One of my favorite things about BB, really. You can't beat a good pool, IMO. I love to read by the pool, jumping in cooling off every 30-40 minutes. Customer service was excellent, from upper management on down to the wait staff.

The only negative was my room. Specifically, the bathroom. I had the jacuzzi suite. Room was nice. A / see worked well, plenty of space, TV worked with plenty of English channels, huge bed. But the jacuzzi sucked. Didn't look good, and the water pressure wasn't up to filling it. Next time, I'll stick with the deluxe single. I DID like that the room was right next to the disco when it was open. Very cool to be 3 feet away from the action.

If you're not a hard-charging partier, jumping off the plane and ready to party until 4:00 am, Blackbeards is a perfect alternative. Everything is cookie cutter, and laid back. You can set your own speed. Some guys like that, I know I do. Henley.

Geolopes
03-09-15, 20:42
As the Dominican peso continues it's gradual slide against the USD a trusted source tells me the current BB's pricing is as follows: ST=1,800 pesos, LT (overnight) at 3,300 (note the 300 peso discount.) Currently no discount offered for their daily "happy hour" attraction. That used to cost 3,000 for two chicas instead of 3,200 if pounded out separately. No word yet if their jacuzzi BBBJ (no leche) for 500 pesos is still at that price. Current exchange rate at Jenny's market hovering near 45 pesos to the USD. Therefore, a ST session will set you back about $40 USD and LT=$73.33 give or take 50 cents. At BB's previous ST / LT pricing of 1,600/3,000 the chicas would earn ST=$35.55 and LT=$66.66 at today's exchange rate. I'm sure most of you guys can afford this modest increase. After all, they're human and have to eat, pay their babysitters, and get their hair done. Guests will be briefed on arrival at the front desk about the new pricing in effect. Here's a few pics from previous trips to set the mood. Enjoy. P.S. Note all box pics were taken immediate post blowout.

Naked Gunz
03-10-15, 00:11
Room was nice. plenty of space, TV worked with plenty of English channels, huge bed. That's good to know, I went in 2007 or so, and their were no English channels. I was lucky to be there with some hard partying New York dudes, that had a party in their suite. That made it so much more fun, otherwise it felt like a prison sort of- besides fucking the chicas of course. LT then was 2000. I see the prices have raised. I hear LaRomana is much nicer than Sosua.

Charles Pooter
03-10-15, 00:58
I see the prices have raised.Not in real terms, either against the dollar or against the cost of living and the costs of running the place.

Lou32
03-10-15, 01:13
That's good to know, I went in 2007 or so, and their were no English channels. I was lucky to be there with some hard partying New York dudes, that had a party in their suite. That made it so much more fun, otherwise it felt like a prison sort of- besides fucking the chicas of course. LT then was 2000. I see the prices have raised. I hear LaRomana is much nicer than Sosua.According to the online inflation calculators, $2000 in 2007 would be equal to $2250 to $2275 now.

It seems like DR chica price inflation is faster.

Charles Pooter
03-10-15, 14:13
According to the online inflation calculators, $2000 in 2007 would be equal to $2250 to $2275 now.

It seems like DR chica price inflation is faster.Sorry, you are wrong. You must be using US data and not DR data. Eight years ago mid-rate for the peso was under 32 to the dollar. Now it is 44.75.

Eight years ago Blackbeards' prices were 1300 for ST. That would be 1820 by today's exchange rate.

Eight years ago Blackbeards' prices were 2400 for TLN. That would be 3350 by today's exchange rate.

So ST has remained the same in real terms and TLN is cheaper.

We were only discussing Blackbeards but a similar justification could be made for chica price increases generally in the DR (and probably for Blackbeards' room and food prices). Just harder to compare apples with apples because of the range of chicas and variable pricing away from Blackbeards.

From living here over that period I can confirm that prices generally for food, rent and other necessities have risen by about 40%, that is to say, have remained roughly stable in comparison to the dollar.

Lou32
03-10-15, 15:16
Sorry, you are wrong. You must be using US data and not DR data. Eight years ago mid-rate for the peso was under 32 to the dollar. Now it is 44.75.

Eight years ago Blackbeards' prices were 1300 for ST. That would be 1820 by today's exchange rate.

Eight years ago Blackbeards' prices were 2400 for TLN. That would be 3350 by today's exchange rate.

So ST has remained the same in real terms and TLN is cheaper.

We were only discussing Blackbeards but a similar justification could be made for chica price increases generally in the DR (and probably for Blackbeards' room and food prices). Just harder to compare apples with apples because of the range of chicas and variable pricing away from Blackbeards.

From living here over that period I can confirm that prices generally for food, rent and other necessities have risen by about 40%, that is to say, have remained roughly stable in comparison to the dollar.I was referring to the inflation rate of the USA Dollar...not the Dominican Peso (RD $).

Airwick73
03-19-15, 22:59
Julissa M is favourite girl.

Lou32
03-21-15, 15:47
Julissa M is favourite girl.The bottom half of those pics looks like Vivance (don't know how to properly spell her name). I've never gotten with Julissa (not that hot to me) but I know others have strong opinions about her. Vivance is incredible though!

Manizales911
03-21-15, 17:50
The bottom half of those pics looks like Vivance (don't know how to properly spell her name). I've never gotten with Julissa (not that hot to me) but I know others have strong opinions about her. Vivance is incredible though!She spells it Viance. Gives a great bl0 wjob.

Dveight
03-28-15, 22:54
I've been back from my recent trip for a couple of weeks now. I don't now what to write, that hasn't been written already about BlackBeards. The food menu is still the same it has been since the dawn of time. I rarely eat a meal other than breakfast there nowadays. Not because the food isn't good, but after 20+ trips I am pretty much tired of everything on their menu.

As soon as I walked in Tim informed me of the price increase with girls, not sure I really agree with there rationale, but whatever, can't change it so I didn't really have any choice but to deal with. Still paying less than $40 for a session.

I saw a lot of the same faces from previous trips. Some that had come back after some time away. I. e. Roni, Betty Boop, Angela. Just to name a few. My favorite, Anise, was still there thankfully. Several session with her, 2 with Viance as well.

The weirdest part of the trip was my last night, I took a girl that had started that night, she didn't really speak any English, but what the hell. Well, she may have been new to BB's, but it wasn't her first rodeo. Things were going along well, and then out of nowhere she became possessed. No other way to describe it, she was stark raving mad, ushered her out of my room finally. No leech on my final night. I grabbed Anise in the morning for one final send off, and was off to the airport, and back to the states.

All in all it was a good trip.

Henley100
03-29-15, 00:40
I've been back from my recent trip for a couple of weeks now. I don't now what to write, that hasn't been written already about BlackBeards. The food menu is still the same it has been since the dawn of time. I rarely eat a meal other than breakfast there nowadays. Not because the food isn't good, but after 20+ trips I am pretty much tired of everything on their menu.

As soon as I walked in Tim informed me of the price increase with girls, not sure I really agree with there rationale, but whatever, can't change it so I didn't really have any choice but to deal with. Still paying less than $40 for a session.

I saw a lot of the same faces from previous trips. Some that had come back after some time away. I. e. Roni, Betty Boop, Angela. Just to name a few. My favorite, Anise, was still there thankfully. Several session with her, 2 with Viance as well.

The weirdest part of the trip was my last night, I took a girl that had started that night, she didn't really speak any English, but what the hell. Well, she may have been new to BB's, but it wasn't her first rodeo. Things were going along well, and then out of nowhere she became possessed. No other way to describe it, she was stark raving mad, ushered her out of my room finally. No leech on my final night. I grabbed Anise in the morning for one final send off, and was off to the airport, and back to the states.

All in all it was a good trip.Glad you had a good time, bro. I've only had a few trips to BB's, so I'm not burned out on the menu yet. But I can see it happening down the road. They should simplify the menu a bit, then rotate in a set of specials that change monthly. A little change, but I think it would make a difference.

Geolopes
03-29-15, 08:23
She is a Bruja or "brooha" (witch in Spanish). I hope you told Tim about this so they can schedule an exorcism to drive out the evil spirits or just get rid of her. Maybe a Vodoo or Santeria ritual could fix her problem. I once met a Bruja on a trip to Sosua. I managed to nut the demonesa anyway, then I ushered her out after she tried to climb inside my minibar naked laughing all crazy and shit. You must sit cross legged in a circle of burning Mamajuana soaked incense for 3 hours while watching vile porn drinking some of Tim's favorite rot gut rum and spitting some out on a freshly killed chicken every 3rd sip to be thoroughly cleansed of her evil spell. See you soon on our next trip. You got this man! Here's my Bruja's pic.


I've been back from my recent trip for a couple of weeks now. I don't now what to write, that hasn't been written already about BlackBeards. The food menu is still the same it has been since the dawn of time. I rarely eat a meal other than breakfast there nowadays. Not because the food isn't good, but after 20+ trips I am pretty much tired of everything on their menu.

As soon as I walked in Tim informed me of the price increase with girls, not sure I really agree with there rationale, but whatever, can't change it so I didn't really have any choice but to deal with. Still paying less than $40 for a session.

I saw a lot of the same faces from previous trips. Some that had come back after some time away. I. e. Roni, Betty Boop, Angela. Just to name a few. My favorite, Anise, was still there thankfully. Several session with her, 2 with Viance as well.

The weirdest part of the trip was my last night, I took a girl that had started that night, she didn't really speak any English, but what the hell. Well, she may have been new to BB's, but it wasn't her first rodeo. Things were going along well, and then out of nowhere she became possessed. No other way to describe it, she was stark raving mad, ushered her out of my room finally. No leech on my final night. I grabbed Anise in the morning for one final send off, and was off to the airport, and back to the states.

All in all it was a good trip.

Dveight
03-29-15, 21:27
See you soon on our next trip. Can't fucking wait man!

Dveight
03-29-15, 21:30
Glad you had a good time, bro. I've only had a few trips to BB's, so I'm not burned out on the menu yet. But I can see it happening down the road. They should simplify the menu a bit, then rotate in a set of specials that change monthly. A little change, but I think it would make a difference.The menu is only a rough estimate of what you will get. I order something that the menu said came with french fires, salad, or garlic bread. When I ordered french fries I was told that I could't have french fires, but that it came with both garlic bread and salad. Can I substitute fries. No substation's.

JjBee62
04-30-15, 12:55
I'm heading to Santo Domingo today after 2 days at Blackbeard's. Except for a cold that has kept me in my room, I've enjoyed my stay. Feeling I'll was probably a good thing. It's very easy to go over budget here.

Room was nice and comfortable with no real problems. Food was good, plenty of menu options in the 225 - 375 peso range. Prices are inflated a bit. Presidentes are 150 pesos, small bottle of water 50 pesos. With tax added to everything it's not a cheap alternative, but it does have an appeal.

After checking in, took a girl to my room. She spoke good English. In particular she was good at saying "I don't like that. " Went back down for dinner and after dinner brought another one up. She was better, and I had a good time. Later on I went to the jacuzzi with 2 who took turns on me. One did a very good DT. Had another good time and decided to call it a night.

Yesterday I was feeling good for a few hours. Took 2 more to the jacuzzi for some fun, but wasn't interested in bringing either of them to the room. Instead brought DT girl from day before up. She left me worn out. Turned down quite a few offers when I went down for dinner and decided I wasn't feeling well enough to bother.

Prices: ST 1800

TLN. 3300

Jacuzzi. 500 per girl.

Exchange is 42.5 per $1 USD.

Charles Pooter
05-01-15, 15:02
One did a very good DT.DT?

Delirium Tremens?

Defensive Tackle?

Dakota Territory?

Frannie
05-01-15, 17:49
DT?

Delirium Tremens?

Defensive Tackle?

Dakota Territory?Maybe Deep Throat?

Frannie
05-01-15, 17:54
Maybe Deep Throat?Or Dionysiac toolgrinding.

Frannie
05-01-15, 17:57
I'm heading to Santo Domingo today after 2 days at Blackbeard's. Except for a cold that has kept me in my room, I've enjoyed my stay. Feeling I'll was probably a good thing. It's very easy to go over budget here.

Room was nice and comfortable with no real problems. Food was good, plenty of menu options in the 225 - 375 peso range. Prices are inflated a bit. Presidentes are 150 pesos, small bottle of water 50 pesos. With tax added to everything it's not a cheap alternative, but it does have an appeal.

After checking in, took a girl to my room. She spoke good English. In particular she was good at saying "I don't like that. " Went back down for dinner and after dinner brought another one up. She was better, and I had a good time. Later on I went to the jacuzzi with 2 who took turns on me. One did a very good DT. Had another good time and decided to call it a night.

Yesterday I was feeling good for a few hours. Took 2 more to the jacuzzi for some fun, but wasn't interested in bringing either of them to the room. Instead brought DT girl from day before up. She left me worn out. Turned down quite a few offers when I went down for dinner and decided I wasn't feeling well enough to bother.

Prices: ST 1800

TLN. 3300

Jacuzzi. 500 per girl.

Exchange is 42.5 per $1 USD.Menu sounds cheap. You can't get much in the US for 4 to 7 dollars in a restaurant.

Frannie
05-01-15, 18:10
The menu is only a rough estimate of what you will get. I order something that the menu said came with french fires, salad, or garlic bread. When I ordered french fries I was told that I could't have french fires, but that it came with both garlic bread and salad. Can I substitute fries. No substation's.Probably the oil wasn't hot enough to make fries, so they just bullshitted you to save face.

JjBee62
05-01-15, 23:59
Menu sounds cheap. You can't get much in the US for 4 to 7 dollars in a restaurant.Food prices weren't bad, at least I thought they weren't bad, but 4 meals 4 bottles of water, 3 glasses of juice and 6-8 Presidentes somehow added up to $95 at checkout. So I was being charged about $15 for those $7 meals. By my math, my 4 meals cost about 1500 pesos total. By BB math, over 3000 pesos.

I guess the lesson learned is that everyone will screw you, given the opportunity.

And just for clarification DT does stand for deep throat.

SavePros321
05-02-15, 01:42
Food prices weren't bad, at least I thought they weren't bad, but 4 meals 4 bottles of water, 3 glasses of juice and 6-8 Presidentes somehow added up to $95 at checkout. So I was being charged about $15 for those $7 meals. By my math, my 4 meals cost about 1500 pesos total. By BB math, over 3000 pesos.

I guess the lesson learned is that everyone will screw you, given the opportunity.

And just for clarification DT does stand for deep throat.Overseas, especially in 3rd World Countries, always pay as you go and never operate off of a tab. If you were using your credit card (which is a HUGE no-no in the DR), then you were probably getting rap3d on the surcharges.

Blackbeard's gives you the option to pay for your meals after you are done eating. I wouldn't wait until checkout.

If they still have the minibar in the rooms (the fridge that they pre-stock with water and soda), you have to watch and make sure the chicas you bring to your room don't raid it because you'll get charged for the items.

JjBee62
05-02-15, 03:15
Overseas, especially in 3rd World Countries, always pay as you go and never operate off of a tab. If you were using your credit card (which is a HUGE no-no in the DR), then you were probably getting rap3d on the surcharges.

Blackbeard's gives you the option to pay for your meals after you are done eating. I wouldn't wait until checkout.

If they still have the minibar in the rooms (the fridge that they pre-stock with water and soda), you have to watch and make sure the chicas you bring to your room don't raid it because you'll get charged for the items.Didn't use my credit card, and only thing from the mini bar was the 2 bottles of water that I took. I had thought about pay as I go, but I would have had to exchange more money their lousy rate. Either way I was going to get the short end of the stick. Another lesson learned.

FuckAfMedDig
05-02-15, 10:39
Didn't use my credit card, and only thing from the mini bar was the 2 bottles of water that I took. I had thought about pay as I go, but I would have had to exchange more money their lousy rate. Either way I was going to get the short end of the stick. Another lesson learned.Whats the real deal in rooms with girls-can you CIM (voluntarily or for more $), BBBJ standard, bare back sex been offered?

Who can give inside scoop?

Bliadun
05-02-15, 16:55
CIM-discuss in advance, otherwise she'll avoid it at a last second. Never paid for CIM myself, happened a few times with couple of favorites.

BBBJ is standard, but a lot may depend on personal hygiene and smell.

Bare back is normally not offered. You can always ask if you like Russian roulette.


Whats the real deal in rooms with girls-can you CIM (voluntarily or for more $), BBBJ standard, bare back sex been offered?

Who can give inside scoop?

Bliadun
05-02-15, 17:00
Drinks are a bit overpriced, they account for the difference.


Food prices weren't bad, at least I thought they weren't bad, but 4 meals 4 bottles of water, 3 glasses of juice and 6-8 Presidentes somehow added up to $95 at checkout. So I was being charged about $15 for those $7 meals. By my math, my 4 meals cost about 1500 pesos total. By BB math, over 3000 pesos.

I guess the lesson learned is that everyone will screw you, given the opportunity.

And just for clarification DT does stand for deep throat.

TwoSticks99
05-02-15, 17:01
Whats the real deal in rooms with girls-can you CIM (voluntarily or for more $), BBBJ standard, bare back sex been offered?

Who can give inside scoop?I just came back form BB last week it all depends on the girl no extra charge, but you must say you want CIM before to take them to your room or take them to the hot tub and get a BBBJCIM, tell them what you want before you take them to your room and you'll be a happy man.

Lou32
05-03-15, 00:57
Food prices weren't bad, at least I thought they weren't bad, but 4 meals 4 bottles of water, 3 glasses of juice and 6-8 Presidentes somehow added up to $95 at checkout. So I was being charged about $15 for those $7 meals. By my math, my 4 meals cost about 1500 pesos total. By BB math, over 3000 pesos.

I guess the lesson learned is that everyone will screw you, given the opportunity.

And just for clarification DT does stand for deep throat.If you think you got screwed on your bill at Blackbeards wait until you see what the good folks at Field of Dreams do to your wallet.

Lou32
05-03-15, 01:01
Overseas, especially in 3rd World Countries, always pay as you go and never operate off of a tab. If you were using your credit card (which is a HUGE no-no in the DR), then you were probably getting rap3d on the surcharges.

Blackbeard's gives you the option to pay for your meals after you are done eating. I wouldn't wait until checkout.

If they still have the minibar in the rooms (the fridge that they pre-stock with water and soda), you have to watch and make sure the chicas you bring to your room don't raid it because you'll get charged for the items.Great advice but I'd like to humbly add an additional note. At BB the staff will sometimes do whatever they can to "slow walk" your paying of the bill after a meal or a round of drinks. You will find getting a cashier's attention even when it is slow kind of tough sometimes. I strongly believe they do this partly because of Dominican efficiency (none) and partly to "encourage" you to run a tab.

JjBee62
05-03-15, 04:11
Whats the real deal in rooms with girls-can you CIM (voluntarily or for more $), BBBJ standard, bare back sex been offered?

Who can give inside scoop?Try Lucy. She told me that she likes CIM. As for bareback, I didn't ask. I know that each girl reached for the condoms I kept on the bedside table when the time was right.

Bliadun
05-03-15, 10:00
They have more chances to get extra tips when you pay in cash.


Great advice but I'd like to humbly add an additional note. At BB the staff will sometimes do whatever they can to "slow walk" your paying of the bill after a meal or a round of drinks. You will find getting a cashier's attention even when it is slow kind of tough sometimes. I strongly believe they do this partly because of Dominican efficiency (none) and partly to "encourage" you to run a tab.

Bliadun
05-03-15, 10:16
Pay attention when chicas waving you standing near waitress, some chicas may try to tell to the waitress that you are paying for her drink and waving back may be misconstrued as your approval of such charge. Happened to me a few times.


Food prices weren't bad, at least I thought they weren't bad, but 4 meals 4 bottles of water, 3 glasses of juice and 6-8 Presidentes somehow added up to $95 at checkout. So I was being charged about $15 for those $7 meals. By my math, my 4 meals cost about 1500 pesos total. By BB math, over 3000 pesos.

I guess the lesson learned is that everyone will screw you, given the opportunity.

And just for clarification DT does stand for deep throat.

Miami111
05-19-15, 06:29
Hey everyone,

Been to BB's 5-6 times over the last 14 yrs. Haven't visited in 2 yrs or so. Can anyone give a recommendation of a GFE while I'm there?

Thanks!

Lakeside32
05-21-15, 00:41
Hey everyone,

Been to BB's 5-6 times over the last 14 yrs. Haven't visited in 2 yrs or so. Can anyone give a recommendation of a GFE while I'm there?

Thanks!I'm there 21 thru 24 have a good Memorial day!

Yanqui69
05-23-15, 16:23
Didn't use my credit card, and only thing from the mini bar was the 2 bottles of water that I took. I had thought about pay as I go, but I would have had to exchange more money their lousy rate. Either way I was going to get the short end of the stick. Another lesson learned.Sounds like maybe you don't know about changing money at Jenny's, the small supermarket near the Costambar entrance.

Most guys go there for a convenient place to change cash. Only a 5-10 minute stroll.

They give a very good rate.

Also advisable for buying bottles of water.

Frannie
05-23-15, 20:07
Whats the real deal in rooms with girls-can you CIM (voluntarily or for more $), BBBJ standard, bare back sex been offered?

Who can give inside scoop?Things like bareback sex are not covered by company policy.

They may be negotiated on a case by case basis, but usually it will not be offered up front , and if it is then probably the chica has longer term plans for you or is looking for a competitive advantage vis a vis her peer group.

JjBee62
05-29-15, 12:06
Hey everyone,

Been to BB's 5-6 times over the last 14 yrs. Haven't visited in 2 yrs or so. Can anyone give a recommendation of a GFE while I'm there?

Thanks!Vanessa, not the prettiest, not my type, but she was a lot of fun and very cuddly.

CuningLinguist
06-19-15, 16:39
Later on I went to the jacuzzi with 2 who took turns on me. One did a very good DT. Had another good time and decided to call it a night.

Yesterday I was feeling good for a few hours. Took 2 more to the jacuzzi for some fun, but wasn't interested in bringing either of them to the room. Instead brought DT girl from day before up. She left me worn out. Turned down quite a few offers when I went down for dinner and decided I wasn't feeling well enough to bother.

Jacuzzi. 500 per girl.

Exchange is 42.5 per $1 USD.Interesting. I tried to research as much as I can about Blackbeards and this was the first mention of any rate lower than 1800 for ST. Can anyone please confirm then that a Beej's going rate is RD $500? Or was this a special circumstance? Would this only be done in the jacuzzi area?

Thanks for the information!

Bliadun
06-20-15, 12:35
If you do come, you'll pay RD $1800.


Interesting. I tried to research as much as I can about Blackbeards and this was the first mention of any rate lower than 1800 for ST. Can anyone please confirm then that a Beej's going rate is RD $500? Or was this a special circumstance? Would this only be done in the jacuzzi area?

Thanks for the information!

TwoSticks99
06-20-15, 21:20
Interesting. I tried to research as much as I can about Blackbeards and this was the first mention of any rate lower than 1800 for ST. Can anyone please confirm then that a Beej's going rate is RD $500? Or was this a special circumstance? Would this only be done in the jacuzzi area?

Thanks for the information!I was at Blackbearsd in April this year when I took the girls to the hot tub for BJs I always gave them a $20. And when I take them to my room I always give $40.

CuningLinguist
06-22-15, 19:17
Bliadun, TwoSticks99, thanks for the information. I look forward to getting blown by a Dominican honey.

StrawBoy
06-26-15, 20:24
I heard BB is for sale for about 110 million pesos. I heard it from a chica working at BB. Not sure it is true. But it is not entirely shocking as the current owner is clearly absent for quite a while.

Doker44
06-27-15, 01:30
I heard BB is for sale for about 110 million pesos. I heard it from a chica working at BB. Not sure it is true. But it is not entirely shocking as the current owner is clearly absent for quite a while.If this is true not good news.

Lou32
06-27-15, 02:40
Is the sale final?

I've never even seen the current owner.
He's been absent for a long time. I think he is recuperating in Florida, right?

Husker Dude
06-27-15, 02:44
I heard BB is for sale for about 110 million pesos. I heard it from a chica working at BB. Not sure it is true. But it is not entirely shocking as the current owner is clearly absent for quite a while.BB is already sold, Tim the day manager is the owner. I asked him about the rumor when I was there in May and Tim confirmed it to me. He is the new owner.

Husker Dude
06-27-15, 04:23
BB is already sold, Tim the day manager is the owner. I asked him about the rumor when I was there in May and Tim confirmed it to me. He is the new owner.I just heard that this may not be true, that Tim may have lied to my face. So I will await further news.

Doker44
06-27-15, 12:13
Is the sale final?

I've never even seen the current owner.
He's been absent for a long time. I think he is recuperating in Florida, right?I rarely have seen a sale of a business that is well run and liked be for the better after a sale in the DR. First this is a much tougher a business to run then most realize, just look at FOD or the mansion in Colombia. Second too many times in the DR the next guy has no plan, no money, alternative motives, which leads to the raising of prices. Third these types of businesses are getting tougher to run and own in the DR, especially with that Carnival port being close by. John's DR connections and willingness to put money into the business are very important and have made it as rock solid and reliable as an American business. No doubt Tim knows the business so we will see.

RadPoker
06-27-15, 22:47
If Tim is the new owner wow. Where does the night manager get 2. 5 million? Maybe John gave it to him. LOL.

Manny51
06-28-15, 00:49
If Tim is the new owner wow. Where does the night manager get 2. 5 million? Maybe John gave it to him. LOL.What? 2. 5 million US dollars! Seriously? The prior owner made out like a bandit.

Manny51
06-28-15, 00:52
I rarely have seen a sale of a business that is well run and liked be for the better after a sale in the DR. First this is a much tougher a business to run then most realize, just look at FOD or the mansion in Colombia. Second too many times in the DR the next guy has no plan, no money, alternative motives, which leads to the raising of prices. Third these types of businesses are getting tougher to run and own in the DR, especially with that Carnival port being close by. John's DR connections and willingness to put money into the business are very important and have made it as rock solid and reliable as an American business. No doubt Tim knows the business so we will see.I don't doubt your knowledge of local history, but I would wonder why its so hard to continue to succeed. Blackbeards has THE local name, and from what I understand, one of hte most successful local businesses of any kind. As long as he doesn't change anything fundamental, I don't see how he can lose. Is it something like, not paying off the local police correctly?

I just hope that he has enough money to fix the showers. The biggest problem there has always been the plumbing and reliability of tap water.

Dickhead
06-28-15, 03:37
Latin American Economics 101:

1) You think your business is "worth" $2. 5 million BUT.

2) You know no one HAS $2. 5 million SO.

3) You make an agreement with someone who has $25 thousand and agrees to pay the rest over time while giving you a share of the profits in the meantime, THEN.

4) This asshole lies about the profits, and refuses to give you agreed-upon profit share anyway, BECAUSE.

5) You lied to him in the first place about how much money you were making and how much money you owed suppliers, repair people, and so forth (contractors' liens), THUS.

6) The business goes downhill due to infighting, deferred maintenance, supplier problems, etc. , HENCE.

7) The business closes down due to lack of supplies, licensing issues, failure to bribe the right people, etc. , and EVENTUALLY.

8) The original seller regains the business after a protracted legal battle, by which time the property is in way worse condition, the clientele has been lost, etc. , and FINALLY.

9) The original and now again owner finally DIES and the business gets tied up in a protracted pissing contest among all his legitimate and illegitimate offspring, WHEREAS.

10) It again remains vacant, deteriorates, etc. , until no value is left and the government, lawyers, greedy relatives, and corrupt police have extirpated all possible liquid value.

Any questions?

Parkinsons
06-28-15, 03:38
What? 2. 5 million US dollars! Seriously? The prior owner made out like a bandit.I've never been to BB, but I was curious to see if US $2. 5 million is an outrageous amount. So I did some quick math.

I'm guessing the sales price would include the land, hotel, furniture, inventory, etc. For a hotel with quite a bit of amenities (pool, restaurant, bar) and its size, I'm lowballing all the "hard assets" at US $900,000. Again, not an expert in DR real estate, so that's just a guess.

That'd leave a business value at US $1,550,000. Normally businesses are sold between 2 and 3 times their annual revenue. Not an expert in the hospitality industry either, so I'm guessing a 2. 5 multiple, which would be fair for an established business that's still in its prime.

That means the business has to have an annual revenue of US $620,000 - break that down to 365 days per year, equals to US $1,698.63 daily. Lowballing an average daily room plus food and drinks sold at US $80, the place has to have a minimum of 22 guests per day, to justify the sales price. (I'm pretty sure they make more than $80 per guest per day, the guys there are captive and spend loads on alcohol. Also BB might take a cut from the chicas' take?

So I think while US $2. 5 million sounds like a lot for a business in DR, it can make sense. The previous owner may be doing some seller-financing, allowing the buyer to pay back a portion in installments. Assuming the seller bought the place a while back at a much lower price, he may have recouped all his investment from the buyer's down payment, and then the monthly installment the buyer pays him back is nice gravy.

How many rooms does the place have? Generally on any given day how many are filled?

Dickhead
06-28-15, 03:43
Normally businesses are sold between 2 and 3 times their annual revenue.Have you been eating fucking glue?

Parkinsons
06-28-15, 04:07
Have you been eating fucking glue?I have bought and sold businesses.

What have you done with your time?

I did make a disclaimer that I don't know much about the hotel industry. But I took time out to examine the numbers, versus the same old knee-jerk "latin businesses 101" bullsh! T. I may be wrong, but I made an educated guess. Care to show me how much you think BB is worth if you know so much?

Stop thinking everybody is dumb. Business people examine the books before they buy anything. Have you heard of profit-and-loss statements? Cash-flow analysis? Not everyone gets by with "lying" nor everyone buys into lies.

http://www.coralbayrealestate.com/Property-Types/Hotels.html

A hotel in Caberete is listed at US $2. 7 mill. Sea Breeze (my spot haha Grownman) in Sosua just sold for US $1,175,000.

BB as a business has a unique value (girls on site) that other hotels don't.

Dickhead
06-28-15, 04:18
I spent ten years in the hotel industry, have been a CPA for twenty years, and know not to trust any financial statements emitted in the Dominican Republic, or anywhere else in Latin America. I also understand the difference between revenue and profit.

Questner
06-28-15, 05:28
Watch this and then think what is worth what in Dom Rep:

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/2014-2015/the-mob-and-michael-degroote

Manizales911
06-28-15, 05:43
I've never been to BB, but I was curious to see if US $2. 5 million is an outrageous amount. So I did some quick math.

I'm guessing the sales price would include the land, hotel, furniture, inventory, etc. For a hotel with quite a bit of amenities (pool, restaurant, bar) and its size, I'm lowballing all the "hard assets" at US $900,000. Again, not an expert in DR real estate, so that's just a guess.

That'd leave a business value at US $1,550,000. Normally businesses are sold between 2 and 3 times their annual revenue. Not an expert in the hospitality industry either, so I'm guessing a 2. 5 multiple, which would be fair for an established business that's still in its prime.

That means the business has to have an annual revenue of US $620,000 - break that down to 365 days per year, equals to US $1,698.63 daily. Lowballing an average daily room plus food and drinks sold at US $80, the place has to have a minimum of 22 guests per day, to justify the sales price. (I'm pretty sure they make more than $80 per guest per day, the guys there are captive and spend loads on alcohol. Also BB might take a cut from the chicas' take?

So I think while US $2. 5 million sounds like a lot for a business in DR, it can make sense. The previous owner may be doing some seller-financing, allowing the buyer to pay back a portion in installments. Assuming the seller bought the place a while back at a much lower price, he may have recouped all his investment from the buyer's down payment, and then the monthly installment the buyer pays him back is nice gravy.

How many rooms does the place have? Generally on any given day how many are filled?I agree with your numbers with two exceptions, they only have 23 rooms so the place would have to be almost fully booked 365 days a week and that simply is not the case, in addition I would not think that the real estate is worth $900,000. ,its in the middle of nowhere and if it gets shut down as a wh0 re house it's damn near worthless.

Dickhead
06-28-15, 13:10
I wouldn't pay $2. 5 million for the whole fucking island, unless it included the rights to all the baseball players.

Member #4398
06-28-15, 15:07
I think Dickhead and Parkinsons should become business partners and buy Black Bear together. Dickhead has the Dick brain and Parkinsons knows how to eat glue, two required qualities to own a brothel hotel. The glue is on me for you guys to celebrate and I will make my first trip to BlackBear once you become owners LOL. Cerebro.


I wouldn't pay $2. 5 million for the whole fucking island, unless it included the rights to all the baseball players.


I have bought and sold businesses.

What have you done with your time?

Stop thinking everybody is dumb. Business people examine the books before they buy anything. Have you heard of profit-and-loss statements? Cash-flow analysis? Not everyone gets by with "lying" nor everyone buys into lies.
Have you been eating fucking glue?

Frannie
06-28-15, 15:11
I agree with your numbers with two exceptions, they only have 23 rooms so the place would have to be almost fully booked 365 days a week and that simply is not the case, in addition I would not think that the real estate is worth $900,000. ,its in the middle of nowhere and if it gets shut down as a wh0 re house it's damn near worthless.It is not in the middle of nowhere. The location is fairly good in gated outer suburb with beaches close to major city with international airport, hospitals, schools, etc. Site could maybe be redeveloped as luxury condos.

Mr Gogo
06-28-15, 15:50
It is not in the middle of nowhere. The location is fairly good in gated outer suburb with beaches close to major city with international airport, hospitals, schools, etc. Site could maybe be redeveloped as luxury condos.Costambar has been on the decline for years. About 10 years ago it was a very up and coming location but now there is crime, the properties have gone into despair, and the folks who invested years ago have either died off or moved on.

I have a condo there that I don't even go to that is basically a storage. My one bedroom condo that I purchased several years ago for 60 k peaked in 2009 when I probably could have sold it then for about 140 k. Now I would be lucky to get 50 k for it.

My understanding was that BB was created years ago to cater to the emerging ex pat community that mostly purchased property back then and wanted a secret spot to bang hot Dominicanas without having to go hunting in Puerto Plata. BB was able to survive back then through secrecy and reliable ex pats and few of their closest friends. The Internet eventually exposed BB thus enabling BB to replace the dwindling ex pat community with new travelers. With the Sosua explosion and a dwindling ex pat community it's amazing BB survived at all, maybe they lasted because of John and the good customer service at this one stop location.

Parkinsons
06-28-15, 15:53
I wouldn't pay $2. 5 million for the whole fucking island, unless it included the rights to all the baseball players.Haha Pueblo Viejo in the DR is the world's third largest gold mine. Very well informed you are.

StrawBoy
06-28-15, 16:00
I think the bigger question for us is how the potential new ownership will change / improve our experience of mongers. Just my two cents, and no one needs to agree with me.

Charles Pooter
06-28-15, 17:19
Also BB might take a cut from the chicas' take?.
They don't.


BB as a business has a unique value (girls on site) that other hotels don't.
You forget one major outgoing. For a decade Blackbeards has been carrying on a business which is blatantly illegal, namely pimping. Either someone high up is a significant shareholder (in which case Tim would not be purchasing 100% of the equity), or Blackbeards are paying out major bribes every month. I would guess at least a third of the profits.

Also, those girls are not on contract and, even if they were, contracts for pimping cannot be upheld in law. It would only take one scare with the police or the health department and all the chicas would vanish overnight. It happened at Field of Dreams and Passions in different circumstances.

Charles Pooter
06-28-15, 17:41
... in gated outer suburb."Gated" in Costambar means nothing. The perimeter is so extensive that anyone can enter at will. You can even enter with a vehicle thorough the golf course and avoid the guards. On my one and only stay at Blackbeards a would-be thief climbed up outside to my room on the second floor while Juan the guard (is he still there?) was dozing out front.


... with beaches.How many gringos do you see swimming there? Very few, and some of them develop a third ear growing out of their forehead. The water is said to be polluted from the power plant "upstream". Maybe an exaggerated rumor, but strong enough to deter discerning bathers (other than Dominicans, who will happily bathe in diluted sewage). Also the surface below water is not pleasant.


... close to ... international airport, hospitals, schools, etc. Not close enough for would-be residents with big bucks.


Site could maybe be redeveloped as luxury condos.In which case you would be paying 2.5 million for land worth less than a million. The site is not actually all that big. For that money you could buy land two or three times as extensive east of Cabarete, a more upmarket town, and same distance to the airport.

Frannie
06-28-15, 17:57
"Gated" in Costambar means nothing. The perimeter is so extensive that anyone can enter at will. You can even enter with a vehicle thorough the golf course and avoid the guards. On my one and only stay at Blackbeards a would-be thief climbed up outside to my room on the second floor while Juan the guard (is he still there?) was dozing out front.

How many gringos do you see swimming there? Very few, and some of them develop a third ear growing out of their forehead. The water is said to be polluted from the power plant "upstream". Maybe an exaggerated rumor, but strong enough to deter discerning bathers (other than Dominicans, who will happily bathe in diluted sewage). Also the surface below water is not pleasant.

Not close enough for would-be residents with big bucks.

In which case you would be paying 2.5 million for land worth less than a million. The site is not actually all that big. For that money you could buy land two or three times as extensive east of Cabarete, a more upmarket town, and same distance to the airport.Just saying it is not in the middle of nowhere. Anyway an asking price is just that. Anyone can ask for any price they like. Whether anyone will pay it is another question. If you have a couple of million dollars to launder maybe it is a deal.

Manny51
06-28-15, 18:01
Latin American Economics 101:

1) You think your business is "worth" $2. 5 million BUT.

2) You know no one HAS $2. 5 million SO.

3) You make an agreement with someone who has $25 thousand and agrees to pay the rest over time while giving you a share of the profits in the meantime, THEN.

4) This asshole lies about the profits, and refuses to give you agreed-upon profit share anyway, BECAUSE.

5) You lied to him in the first place about how much money you were making and how much money you owed suppliers, repair people, and so forth (contractors' liens), THUS.

6) The business goes downhill due to infighting, deferred maintenance, supplier problems, etc. , HENCE.

7) The business closes down due to lack of supplies, licensing issues, failure to bribe the right people, etc. , and EVENTUALLY.

8) The original seller regains the business after a protracted legal battle, by which time the property is in way worse condition, the clientele has been lost, etc. , and FINALLY.

9) The original and now again owner finally DIES and the business gets tied up in a protracted pissing contest among all his legitimate and illegitimate offspring, WHEREAS.

10) It again remains vacant, deteriorates, etc. , until no value is left and the government, lawyers, greedy relatives, and corrupt police have extirpated all possible liquid value.

Any questions?Ha! Thanks for the laugh!

Questner, great video.

2. 5 million? Somebody got ripped off!

Charles Pooter
06-28-15, 18:08
2. 5 million? Somebody got ripped off!Only Oxygen Retreat is worth that sort of money, eh Manny?

Manny51
06-28-15, 19:30
Only Oxygen Retreat is worth that sort of money, eh Manny?Well, they did have much nicer facilities. But still not 2. 5 million worth.

Bliadun
06-28-15, 21:17
I think the only way they directly profit is an exit fee for outside customers.

BB is not blatantly illegal, I guess it's kind of grey area.

Hotel can not be shut down, but authority can scare away chicas.

I wonder how BB's arrangements with doctors testing the chicas work. Some time ago chica told me that sometimes doctors come to the hotel for STD and safe sex lections.


They don't.


You forget one major outgoing. For a decade Blackbeards has been carrying on a business which is blatantly illegal, namely pimping. Either someone high up is a significant shareholder (in which case Tim would not be purchasing 100% of the equity), or Blackbeards are paying out major bribes every month. I would guess at least a third of the profits.

Also, those girls are not on contract and, even if they were, contracts for pimping cannot be upheld in law. It would only take one scare with the police or the health department and all the chicas would vanish overnight. It happened at Field of Dreams and Passions in different circumstances.

Bliadun
06-28-15, 21:27
There are many empty lots and houses in Costambar, many of those are on sale for many years.


It is not in the middle of nowhere. The location is fairly good in gated outer suburb with beaches close to major city with international airport, hospitals, schools, etc. Site could maybe be redeveloped as luxury condos.

Bliadun
06-28-15, 21:40
And I've seen trucks unloading beer many times, they probably sell hundreds of bottles of beer every day.

Your average daily room plus food and drinks sold at US $80 is probably low and occupancy rate is too high.


I've never been to BB, but I was curious to see if US $2. 5 million is an outrageous amount. So I did some quick math.

I'm guessing the sales price would include the land, hotel, furniture, inventory, etc. For a hotel with quite a bit of amenities (pool, restaurant, bar) and its size, I'm lowballing all the "hard assets" at US $900,000. Again, not an expert in DR real estate, so that's just a guess.

That'd leave a business value at US $1,550,000. Normally businesses are sold between 2 and 3 times their annual revenue. Not an expert in the hospitality industry either, so I'm guessing a 2. 5 multiple, which would be fair for an established business that's still in its prime.

That means the business has to have an annual revenue of US $620,000 - break that down to 365 days per year, equals to US $1,698.63 daily. Lowballing an average daily room plus food and drinks sold at US $80, the place has to have a minimum of 22 guests per day, to justify the sales price. (I'm pretty sure they make more than $80 per guest per day, the guys there are captive and spend loads on alcohol. Also BB might take a cut from the chicas' take?

So I think while US $2. 5 million sounds like a lot for a business in DR, it can make sense. The previous owner may be doing some seller-financing, allowing the buyer to pay back a portion in installments. Assuming the seller bought the place a while back at a much lower price, he may have recouped all his investment from the buyer's down payment, and then the monthly installment the buyer pays him back is nice gravy.

How many rooms does the place have? Generally on any given day how many are filled?

Charles Pooter
06-28-15, 21:49
And I've seen trucks unloading beer many times, they probably sell hundreds of bottles of beer every day.

Your average daily room plus food and drinks sold at US $80 is probably low and occupancy rate is too high.

There are many customers in their restaurant from all over Costambar.Sometimes, yes. But I have been there twice this year to meet and chat with friends. Each time for about two hours and the place was quiet as the grave. Couldn't have sold more than eight to twelve drinks (half of them cokes) and four light meals in those two hours. Very hard to keep up the sort of consistently high sales you are writing about all round the clock.

Charles Pooter
06-28-15, 21:53
There are many empty lots and houses in Costambar, many of those are on sale for many years.True. Costambar was created as a gated estate for rich Dominicans and for gringos. It has steadily deteriorated. There are reasons why it has failed. It's "off the map" location and the scruffy beach must be among them and one constantly reads completes about the electric, water and garbage services on DR1.

Don't get me wrong. It is still one of the better areas to live on the North Coast, but that is not saying a lot. I think the new money is going to the Cabarete area.

To be fair, in listing its good points, Frannie omitted the 9-hole golf course. Though of mediocre quality, it must still count as a real attraction to have a golf course on your doorstep.

Bliadun
06-28-15, 22:07
Sometimes in the day time place looks empty for hours, and in the evening you may need to wait for table to become available and you can see waitresses carrying another box of beer every few minutes.

I don't know what kind of sales volume they have, but beer truck re supplying the stock is one of indicators.


Sometimes, yes. But I have been there twice this year to meet and chat with friends. Each time for about two hours and the place was dead as a dodo. Couldn't have sold more than eight to twelve drinks (half of them cokes) and four meals in those two hours. Very hard to keep up the sort of consistently high sales you are writing about.

Bliadun
06-28-15, 22:29
And I remember several apart hotels within walking distance.

If any of those are for sale, it would be a good way to determine a unique value (girls on site) in dollars.




http://www.coralbayrealestate.com/Property-Types/Hotels.html

A hotel in Caberete is listed at US $2. 7 mill. Sea Breeze (my spot haha Grownman) in Sosua just sold for US $1,175,000.

BB as a business has a unique value (girls on site) that other hotels don't.

Manizales911
06-28-15, 23:52
It is not in the middle of nowhere. The location is fairly good in gated outer suburb with beaches close to major city with international airport, hospitals, schools, etc. Site could maybe be redeveloped as luxury condos.I regards to being a hotel it is absolutely in the middle of nowhere with nothing to do but sit on a dirty beach or pay the taxi mafia ransom money to take you elsewhere. Luxury condos? Have you driven or walked through Costamar lately, it is a waste land of abandoned buildings and unkept properties. Sure there is some money still in Costambar but it looks to me to be going down hill big time.

Charles Pooter
06-29-15, 00:20
I think the only way they directly profit is an exit fee for outside customers.Yes, I had forgotten that bit of income.


BB is not blatantly illegal, I guess it's kind of grey area.If you look at the sort of prosecutions going on in the DR these days, with the government trying to clean up the country's image (no doubt under pressure from the USA and its satellites), you would understand that they would have no difficulty getting a successful prosecution for pimping or, as they curiously term it, "trafficking".

When I first went there, I asked about this, and was told they were not pimping because they received no money from the girls and were not employing the girls. This would not let them off the hook nowadays, as they are clearly facilitating prostitution. Indeed, as our current discussion shows, they could not survive without it. Furthermore, by charging salidas for chicas who they claim are not employees, and imposing fines for lateness and other reasons on chicas who they claim are not employees, they have blown a hole in their own flimsy defence.

I like Blackbeards and long may they flourish. At least we don't have to worry about Tim being some gullible newbie being sold a pig in a poke, as so often happens here. He probably knows as much about the wheels within wheels there as John, and maybe more about the current situation with John having been away so much.

No doubt there is a lot more to the story which we don't know. I have no inside knowledge about Blackbeards, but I did have about Field of Dreams and used to laugh about the rumors and assumptions posted on the internet.

Dickhead
06-29-15, 02:21
Haha Pueblo Viejo in the DR is the world's third largest gold mine. Very well informed you are.Okay, okay. I'll give you $2. 5 million for the gold mine. That seems fair.

Frannie
06-29-15, 04:21
Yes, I had forgotten that bit of income.

If you look at the sort of prosecutions going on in the DR these days, with the government trying to clean up the country's image (no doubt under pressure from the USA and its satellites), you would understand that they would have no difficulty getting a successful prosecution for pimping or, as they curiously term it, "trafficking".

When I first went there, I asked about this, and was told they were not pimping because they received no money from the girls and were not employing the girls. This would not let them off the hook nowadays, as they are clearly facilitating prostitution. Indeed, as our current discussion shows, they could not survive without it. Furthermore, by charging salidas for chicas who they claim are not employees, and imposing fines for lateness and other reasons on chicas who they claim are not employees, they have blown a hole in their own flimsy defence.

I like Blackbeards and long may they flourish. At least we don't have to worry about Tim being some gullible newbie being sold a pig in a poke, as so often happens here. He probably knows as much about the wheels within wheels there as John, and maybe more about the current situation with John having been away so much.

No doubt there is a lot more to the story which we don't know. I have no inside knowledge about Blackbeards, but I did have about Field of Dreams and used to laugh about the rumors and assumptions posted on the internet.Which Spanish word are you translating as trafficking. Proxetenismo or "pandering" seems to be the key word, which means setting up prostitution encounters for someone else, not necessarily trafficking. Trafficking in contraband and trafficking in people are slightly different senses of the word.

Lou32
06-29-15, 08:54
Is it likely that both Field of Dreams and Blackbeards are shut down within the next 18 months? That would leave only TAV AFAIK. Of course there is Facebook and Dominican Cupid but as far as compounds that is it.

Bliadun
06-29-15, 09:20
This can happen tomorrow or 10 years from now.

I would hate to see any of these places going down. Damn politicians can fuck up any business, even if it's beneficial to everyone-hotel, chicas and customers. BB creates directly or indirectly over a 100 jobs.


Is it likely that both Field of Dreams and Blackbeards are shut down within the next 18 months? That would leave only TAV AFAIK. Of course there is Facebook and Dominican Cupid but as far as compounds that is it.

Bliadun
06-29-15, 09:31
If no employee of BB takes money from customer for anything directly connected with chicas, proving facilitation or trafficking will be close to impossible. That does not mean that authorities can't find a reason if they want a place to shut down.

I hope BB has some sort of back up plan for such case.


Yes, I had forgotten that bit of income.

If you look at the sort of prosecutions going on in the DR these days, with the government trying to clean up the country's image (no doubt under pressure from the USA and its satellites), you would understand that they would have no difficulty getting a successful prosecution for pimping or, as they curiously term it, "trafficking".

When I first went there, I asked about this, and was told they were not pimping because they received no money from the girls and were not employing the girls. This would not let them off the hook nowadays, as they are clearly facilitating prostitution. Indeed, as our current discussion shows, they could not survive without it. Furthermore, by charging salidas for chicas who they claim are not employees, and imposing fines for lateness and other reasons on chicas who they claim are not employees, they have blown a hole in their own flimsy defence.

I like Blackbeards and long may they flourish. At least we don't have to worry about Tim being some gullible newbie being sold a pig in a poke, as so often happens here. He probably knows as much about the wheels within wheels there as John, and maybe more about the current situation with John having been away so much.

No doubt there is a lot more to the story which we don't know. I have no inside knowledge about Blackbeards, but I did have about Field of Dreams and used to laugh about the rumors and assumptions posted on the internet.

Berthold
06-29-15, 12:54
If no employee of BB takes money from customer for anything directly connected with chicas, proving facilitation or trafficking will be close to impossible. That does not mean that authorities can't find a reason if they want a place to shut down.

I hope BB has some sort of back up plan for such case.A few weeks ago I was at a bar in Palenque and the Politur seized all the bar stools as the owner wouldn't tip them. The next day the owner had to go bail the chairs out. Living here can be veryentertaining.

Frannie
06-29-15, 14:19
I regards to being a hotel it is absolutely in the middle of nowhere with nothing to do but sit on a dirty beach or pay the taxi mafia ransom money to take you elsewhere. Luxury condos? Have you driven or walked through Costamar lately, it is a waste land of abandoned buildings and unkept properties. Sure there is some money still in Costambar but it looks to me to be going down hill big time.Is it illegal to have a rental car in Costambar now? And how do the chicas get to and from Blackbeards if they are held to ransom by the taxi mafia.

Frannie
06-29-15, 15:42
I regards to being a hotel it is absolutely in the middle of nowhere with nothing to do but sit on a dirty beach or pay the taxi mafia ransom money to take you elsewhere. Luxury condos? Have you driven or walked through Costamar lately, it is a waste land of abandoned buildings and unkept properties. Sure there is some money still in Costambar but it looks to me to be going down hill big time.You might be right about Costambar going the way of Detroit. I must admit I have not been to Costambar for years. It used to be rather lovely. But with the exception of Casa Marina I cannot think of an all-inclusive type resort that is not a bit isolated in one way or another. It certainly applies to most if not all in the Punta Cana region.

And why would you sit on a dirty beach when you have a nice pool and outdoor whirlpool with refreshments on hand? Much of the year it is too hot to sit on the beach anyway.

Charles Pooter
06-29-15, 18:01
Is it illegal to have a rental car in Costambar now? Rental car is fine over a period for those who want to take that option, but who the hell wants to go to the hassle of renting a car just to make a one-time trip into town or to Sosua or wherever? Anywhere else (Sosua, Cabarete, Fields of Dreams, etc) you just get in a publico, 25 to 50 pesos.

The real problem at Blackbeards is not getting out. That can be achieved with a combination of walking, moto and publico. The problem is getting back after dark once the publicos stop running.


And how do the chicas get to and from Blackbeards if they are held to ransom by the taxi mafia.Anyone who has spent any time there knows the answer to that one. Their pimps / husbands / boyfriends bring them at the start of their shift and take them home afterwards. Or, as regular customers and Dominicans, they cut deals with the taxi-drivers which are not available to gringos, paying them in cash or in services rendered.

Manizales911
06-29-15, 18:52
You might be right about Costambar going the way of Detroit. I must admit I have not been to Costambar for years. It used to be rather lovely. But with the exception of Casa Marina I cannot think of an all-inclusive type resort that is not a bit isolated in one way or another. It certainly applies to most if not all in the Punta Cana region.

And why would you sit on a dirty beach when you have a nice pool and outdoor whirlpool with refreshments on hand? Much of the year it is too hot to sit on the beach anyway.Most people would disagree with you, there is a reason why ALL of the all inclusives are beach front properties. I myself very much enjoy sitting in the shade at Sosua beach, have lunch, a few beers and a swim. I will be spending my October, November and December on that beach almost every day before returning to Colombia. While I am here in the states I am almost an hour away from the beach and make the journey at least once a week.

Tempoecorto
06-30-15, 02:19
Have you been eating fucking glue?You might be a CPA but your forum name does do you justice!

Parkinson did a great job in terms of analyzing scenarios and various possibilities, which made sense. However, the biggest element is the unspoken of elephant in the room. The real assets are one thing and seller financing notwithstanding, the unaccounted for "asset" may also be the real liability, more so these days with the Big dog asking the smaller dogs to clean up.

Parkinsons
06-30-15, 03:59
On my last trip to the DR, my Santiago civie wanted to go to the beach, naturally she invited everyone she could think of. So I packed my rental Kia full. With her, her sister, sister's 2 girlfriends and a 16-year old girl cousin and off we went to Puerto Plata. The 16-year old was the only one who knew where to go, and we ended up at this beach. I only realized where I was after passing a compound with the word "Blackbeards" outside.

After sunset we went into this bar, a pretty nice one. Forgot the name but if I remember correctly was owed by a Dominican guy and his Dutch wife. Mostly expats there; a few Canadian retirees who obviously tire of Blackbeards (or Blackbeards price) were very happy that I rolled up with these girls. Excellent for me because these dudes were trying to get into the girls' pants and therefore, I didn't have to pick up the bar tab! The bar was doing pretty good business on a night that wasn't Friday or Saturday. I remember distinctly because the Canadian dudes were begging us to rent a place for the night, however the 16-year old had school the next day. Imagine their disappointment / frustration when, after rounds and rounds of drinks for the girls, I herded them into my limo, back to Santiago!

Manny51
06-30-15, 04:16
This can happen tomorrow or 10 years from now.

I would hate to see any of these places going down. Damn politicians can fuck up any business, even if it's beneficial to everyone-hotel, chicas and customers. BB creates directly or indirectly over a 100 jobs.Whoa. Why all the discussion on BB getting closed down? I went back a few pages. Did I miss something?

If there is some bribing and palm greasing machinery that needs to be tended to, I am sure the new owner is either familiar with it or will get all the info from the previous owner. That's just the cost of doing business. I see the taxi mafia as the bigger problem, slowly choking the life out of people's interest in staying there. That plus the water / plumbing problem. Its actually the latter that bothered me the most.

UpCountry
06-30-15, 16:31
On my last trip to the DR, my Santiago civie wanted to go to the beach, naturally she invited everyone she could think of. So I packed my rental Kia full. With her, her sister, sister's 2 girlfriends and a 16-year old girl cousin and off we went to Puerto Plata. The 16-year old was the only one who knew where to go, and we ended up at this beach. I only realized where I was after passing a compound with the word "Blackbeards" outside.

After sunset we went into this bar, a pretty nice one. Forgot the name but if I remember correctly was owed by a Dominican guy and his Dutch wife. Mostly expats there; a few Canadian retirees who obviously tire of Blackbeards (or Blackbeards price) were very happy that I rolled up with these girls. Excellent for me because these dudes were trying to get into the girls' pants and therefore, I didn't have to pick up the bar tab! The bar was doing pretty good business on a night that wasn't Friday or Saturday. I remember distinctly because the Canadian dudes were begging us to rent a place for the night, however the 16-year old had school the next day. Imagine their disappointment / frustration when, after rounds and rounds of drinks for the girls, I herded them into my limo, back to Santiago!Having fun in the beach at night must be awesome.

Lou32
07-01-15, 00:32
Whoa. Why all the discussion on BB getting closed down? I went back a few pages. Did I miss something?

If there is some bribing and palm greasing machinery that needs to be tended to, I am sure the new owner is either familiar with it or will get all the info from the previous owner. That's just the cost of doing business. I see the taxi mafia as the bigger problem, slowly choking the life out of people's interest in staying there. That plus the water / plumbing problem. Its actually the latter that bothered me the most.The IV drip showers are terrible but I am more worried about behind the scenes stuff where the right people aren't taken care of and we get another "Peter" situation.

GentleLapper
07-01-15, 17:12
Hello all,

I wanted to give FOD a try. I cannot seem to find their website like I used to. Are they still in business? Does anyone have the link if they are still in business.

Thanks in advance.

Gentlelapper

Manny51
07-01-15, 20:09
The IV drip showers are terrible but I am more worried about behind the scenes stuff where the right people aren't taken care of and we get another "Peter" situation."Peter" situation? Please, do tell!

Lakeside32
07-01-15, 22:09
Hello all,

I wanted to give FOD a try. I cannot seem to find their website like I used to. Are they still in business? Does anyone have the link if they are still in business.

Thanks in advance.

GentlelapperI was there about 3 weeks ago, all was well, until a chica pulled a "there's been a price increase" on me one late night. The dumb security guard went along with her story to shut her up, and as predicted the female dog never showed for work to answer up to the incident afterwards. Be very very careful visiting that place.

Charles Pooter
07-01-15, 23:21
Hello all,

I wanted to give FOD a try. I cannot seem to find their website like I used to. Are they still in business? Does anyone have the link if they are still in business.

Thanks in advance.

GentlelapperHi GL.

I remember you prompted an exchange of posts about the relative merits of BB and FoD a couple of years ago. At that time I recommended FoD (perhaps because you were staying at Playa or Costa Dorada?) Since the latest changes of management I have heard nothing good about the place and would no longer recommend it.

As none of us go there, there has been no recent feedback. I will try and find out if they are still limping along.

Why did you not post in the Field of Dream section?

Weren't you the guy who was banned from Blackbeards? There has been a recent change of ownership so you might be allowed back now as the matter was trivial. Ask them.

Husker Dude
07-02-15, 02:31
Hello all,

I wanted to give FOD a try. I cannot seem to find their website like I used to. Are they still in business? Does anyone have the link if they are still in business.

Thanks in advance.

GentlelapperI answered your question in the FOD section. I was at both FOD and BB with a big group of guys in Mid-May and all was great at both places.

Lakeside32
07-02-15, 20:03
Seems to be something gone wrong, I haven't received my monthly newsletter in my email, it was like a monthly ritual.

Bliadun
07-03-15, 08:11
I'm getting my newsletter twice a month as always.


Seems to be something gone wrong, I haven't received my monthly newsletter in my email, it was like a monthly ritual.

El Pirata
07-03-15, 22:24
Saludos to all from, John, the original and still owner of Blackbeards.

Apparently the Coconut Telegraph has "blown a nut" somewhere by reporting that I sold the hotel or plan to close it after 13 successful years. This is absolutely not true, and additionally, I don't have any partners either. Although I have been absent recently for personal reasons, I continue to invest heavily in improvements in all areas of the business. Just follow our newsletter for current updates.

As of last week however, I have decided to retire and sell the hotel. I guess that when I received my application for Medicare, my friends told me that it was MY time to relax, sit by the pool and drink a few beers with a good looking Chica! In the meantime, absolutely nothing will change. All of my employees are fully aware of the sale and have agreed to stay and expect that the new owner will keep them employed.

If you would like more details about the Hotel / Sale Simply Google Search "Blackbeards Hotel For Sale" and you will get what you need. The site is not completely finished so bare with us for a few more weeks.

Personally, I think the hotel is running better than ever, and now would be a great time to visit. I hope this puts an end to all of the rumors and we all look forward to seeing you soon.

Gracias

Lou32
07-03-15, 23:42
Seems to be something gone wrong, I haven't received my monthly newsletter in my email, it was like a monthly ritual.Maybe they are taking time off to enlarge the pictures. Just kidding. Did you check your spam filter?

Lakeside32
07-04-15, 15:05
Maybe they are taking time off to enlarge the pictures. Just kidding. Did you check your spam filter?Normally the newsletter is spot on, arriving the top of the month. So I guess the question is, has anyone received the July edition?

Yanqui69
07-04-15, 15:29
Saludos to all from, John, the original and still owner of Blackbeards.

Apparently the Coconut Telegraph has "blown a nut" somewhere by reporting that I sold the hotel or plan to close it after 13 successful years. This is absolutely not true, and additionally, I don't have any partners either. Although I have been absent recently for personal reasons, I continue to invest heavily in improvements in all areas of the business. Just follow our newsletter for current updates.

As of last week however, I have decided to retire and sell the hotel. I guess that when I received my application for Medicare, my friends told me that it was MY time to relax, sit by the pool and drink a few beers with a good looking Chica! In the meantime, absolutely nothing will change. All of my employees are fully aware of the sale and have agreed to stay and expect that the new owner will keep them employed.

If you would like more details about the Hotel / Sale Simply Google Search "Blackbeards Hotel For Sale" and you will get what you need. The site is not completely finished so bare with us for a few more weeks.

Personally, I think the hotel is running better than ever, and now would be a great time to visit. I hope this puts an end to all of the rumors and we all look forward to seeing you soon.

GraciasWell, I can only hope the new owner does as good a job of maintaining what has already been achieved.

The place is unique, in that it is the ONLY well-managed operation in that environment.

It would be a terrible loss, both for those on this forum, and the Dominicans it employs.

Mucha suerte, Capitan.

Dveight
07-04-15, 17:10
Seems to be something gone wrong, I haven't received my monthly newsletter in my email, it was like a monthly ritual.They sent one on June 19. There is a good chance the next installment will come after this weekend.

Dveight
07-04-15, 17:13
Saludos to all from, John, the original and still owner of Blackbeards.

Apparently the Coconut Telegraph has "blown a nut" somewhere by reporting that I sold the hotel or plan to close it after 13 successful years. This is absolutely not true, and additionally, I don't have any partners either. Although I have been absent recently for personal reasons, I continue to invest heavily in improvements in all areas of the business. Just follow our newsletter for current updates.

As of last week however, I have decided to retire and sell the hotel. I guess that when I received my application for Medicare, my friends told me that it was MY time to relax, sit by the pool and drink a few beers with a good looking Chica! In the meantime, absolutely nothing will change. All of my employees are fully aware of the sale and have agreed to stay and expect that the new owner will keep them employed.

If you would like more details about the Hotel / Sale Simply Google Search "Blackbeards Hotel For Sale" and you will get what you need. The site is not completely finished so bare with us for a few more weeks.

Personally, I think the hotel is running better than ever, and now would be a great time to visit. I hope this puts an end to all of the rumors and we all look forward to seeing you soon.

GraciasCongratulations on your retirement. I wish you the best! I know that you have always looked out for the hotel, the staff, and the guests! I know you will look for a new owner who will devote as much time and energy towards the place as you did. We can only hope that the new owner (s) will take as much pride in the reputation as you have over the years.

Dveight
07-04-15, 17:15
Maybe they are taking time off to enlarge the pictures. Just kidding. Did you check your spam filter?Seriously, please make the pictures at least a little bigger. I. e. Viewable on a phone without distortion.

Manny51
07-04-15, 17:35
Saludos to all from, John, the original and still owner of Blackbeards.

Apparently the Coconut Telegraph has "blown a nut" somewhere by reporting that I sold the hotel or plan to close it after 13 successful years. This is absolutely not true, and additionally, I don't have any partners either. Although I have been absent recently for personal reasons, I continue to invest heavily in improvements in all areas of the business. Just follow our newsletter for current updates.

As of last week however, I have decided to retire and sell the hotel. I guess that when I received my application for Medicare, my friends told me that it was MY time to relax, sit by the pool and drink a few beers with a good looking Chica! In the meantime, absolutely nothing will change. All of my employees are fully aware of the sale and have agreed to stay and expect that the new owner will keep them employed.

If you would like more details about the Hotel / Sale Simply Google Search "Blackbeards Hotel For Sale" and you will get what you need. The site is not completely finished so bare with us for a few more weeks.

Personally, I think the hotel is running better than ever, and now would be a great time to visit. I hope this puts an end to all of the rumors and we all look forward to seeing you soon.

GraciasCongratulations on your retirement! As others have already stated, running a successful business for as long as you have in a difficult business environment like the DR is something to be proud of. Blackbeards has shaped the nightlife scene on the Northern Coast. We all hope that you stick around to tell some tall tales around the proverbial campfire!

Salud!

PitrSam1
07-07-15, 01:18
Newbie here so would appreciate any input / pointers -.

1. BB is picking me up from STI, so where should I exchange US $ to pesos? Airport, inside BB or somewhere on the way?

2. I would like to minimize exchanging currencies back and forth, what is the best strategy here as few places take US $ like BB and hotel Casa Cayene in Sosua? Only time I will need pesos is for Chicas and food / drinks. Should I budget for 2-3 days and then repeat? I am in DR for 1 week with 3 days in BB and 4 days in Sosua.

3. If I get bored in Sosua, is there a public transportation to take me to Punta Cana? It is 5 hours by road so looking for economical alternatives instead of taxi. I don't want to drive in DR so car rental is not an option.

4. Anything to take for Chicas like some gifts? Looking for some GFE action as well and not just sports fucking.

5. Any places with good WiFi within walking distance of BB and near beach in Sosua? I have heard BB wi-fi is pretty bad.

6. Any wingman in Sosua during July 11-15th and wanted to guide this newbie! Drinks / lunch on me.

Thank a ton!

Sam

Bliadun
07-07-15, 07:46
1. If you arrive to Costambar between 8 am and 9 pm ask a driver to stop near Jenny supermarket.

2. Exchange a little more than you think you need during stay at BB at once.

3. You'll have to use 3 different buses, bad idea for such a short stay.

4. Ebay, Amazon, Walmart and Marshalls / TJMaxx for perfume and / or clothing items.

5. Not that bad anymore, 3 Mbits is typical download speed. If it stops working try another spot 10 ft away or ask at reception for router reset.

Spend more time reading forums.


Newbie here so would appreciate any input / pointers -.

1. BB is picking me up from STI, so where should I exchange US $ to pesos? Airport, inside BB or somewhere on the way?

2. I would like to minimize exchanging currencies back and forth, what is the best strategy here as few places take US $ like BB and hotel Casa Cayene in Sosua? Only time I will need pesos is for Chicas and food / drinks. Should I budget for 2-3 days and then repeat? I am in DR for 1 week with 3 days in BB and 4 days in Sosua.

3. If I get bored in Sosua, is there a public transportation to take me to Punta Cana? It is 5 hours by road so looking for economical alternatives instead of taxi. I don't want to drive in DR so car rental is not an option.

4. Anything to take for Chicas like some gifts? Looking for some GFE action as well and not just sports fucking.

5. Any places with good WiFi within walking distance of BB and near beach in Sosua? I have heard BB wi-fi is pretty bad.

6. Any wingman in Sosua during July 11-15th and wanted to guide this newbie! Drinks / lunch on me.

Thank a ton!

Sam

Charles Pooter
07-07-15, 14:25
If I get bored in Sosua, is there a public transportation to take me to Punta Cana? That is like saying "If I get thirsty in Las Vegas, could someone drop me off in Death Valley".


Spend more time reading forums.
This!

Yanqui69
07-07-15, 15:38
Newbie here so would appreciate any input / pointers -.

1. BB is picking me up from STI, so where should I exchange US $ to pesos? Airport, inside BB or somewhere on the way?

2. I would like to minimize exchanging currencies back and forth, what is the best strategy here as few places take US $ like BB and hotel Casa Cayene in Sosua? Only time I will need pesos is for Chicas and food / drinks. Should I budget for 2-3 days and then repeat? I am in DR for 1 week with 3 days in BB and 4 days in Sosua.

3. If I get bored in Sosua, is there a public transportation to take me to Punta Cana? It is 5 hours by road so looking for economical alternatives instead of taxi. I don't want to drive in DR so car rental is not an option.

4. Anything to take for Chicas like some gifts? Looking for some GFE action as well and not just sports fucking.

5. Any places with good WiFi within walking distance of BB and near beach in Sosua? I have heard BB wi-fi is pretty bad.

6. Any wingman in Sosua during July 11-15th and wanted to guide this newbie! Drinks / lunch on me.

Thank a ton!

SamYou've already gotten good advice on two posts, so I'll just say since this is your first time, your impressions of BB and Sosua would be of interest.

P.S.: (If you only have a week, drop any idea of travel from Sosua to Punta Cana. Would be an all-day affair by bus.).

If bored in Sosua, suggest dropping by Field of Dreams; its at least on the way from BB to Sosua, so, doable for a short day-trip.

JjBee62
07-07-15, 17:34
Newbie here so would appreciate any input / pointers -.

1. BB is picking me up from STI, so where should I exchange US $ to pesos? Airport, inside BB or somewhere on the way?

2. I would like to minimize exchanging currencies back and forth, what is the best strategy here as few places take US $ like BB and hotel Casa Cayene in Sosua? Only time I will need pesos is for Chicas and food / drinks. Should I budget for 2-3 days and then repeat? I am in DR for 1 week with 3 days in BB and 4 days in Sosua.

3. If I get bored in Sosua, is there a public transportation to take me to Punta Cana? It is 5 hours by road so looking for economical alternatives instead of taxi. I don't want to drive in DR so car rental is not an option.

4. Anything to take for Chicas like some gifts? Looking for some GFE action as well and not just sports fucking.

5. Any places with good WiFi within walking distance of BB and near beach in Sosua? I have heard BB wi-fi is pretty bad.

6. Any wingman in Sosua during July 11-15th and wanted to guide this newbie! Drinks / lunch on me.

Thank a ton!

Sam1 has already been answered, so.

2. I would recommend exchanging $100 or so for each day you will be at BBs. Depending upon your appetites. That should leave you with a little bit left over, so you don't have to immediately change more when you get to Sosua.

3. If you get bored in Sosua, go to Cabrete or Puerto Plata, or even Santiago. You will waste an entire day going to Punta Cana. Better yet, go on one of the many excursions available. They have information at Casa Cayena.

4. Already answered, but for such a short stay, it's probably a waste of money. You might find some GFE action, if so a few more pesos is a good reward, but giving gifts up front will not get you GFE, it will get you GMM, Giveme more money.

5. I had no trouble with BB WiFi. No issues at all.

6. If you're staying at Casa Cayena, there will be several veterans sitting around at breakfast and dinner. Most will be happy to give a few tips. You won't need much. Within 200 feet of Casa Cayena you will have had at least one offer of a massage (600 DOP for 1 hour, 1000 more for a happy ending). Before you've gone 3 blocks, you'll get at least one more massage offer and 2 or 3 approaches from women on the street. At night that number goes up to 15 to 30.

The food is great at Casa Cayena, and also across the street at El Rancho hotel. Sinatra's and Baileys are good, but a bit pricey. I also recommend Chez Mon, diagonal from Rumbas (ground zero for chicas). Brittania is another choice.

In Sosua, everything is within walking distance from Casa Cayena.

At BBs besides taking a chica to your room (1800 DOP for short time, 3400 for all night) you can take chicas to the jacuzzi. Typically 2 will approach, for 500 DOP each. It's a good way to spend an hour, getting tag team BJs and it gives you a look at what's hidden beneath the clothes. What looks great dressed, doesn't always look great undressed. It's also a good test run for deciding who to take to your room.

Have fun.

Manny51
07-07-15, 19:18
Rental car is fine over a period for those who want to take that option, but who the hell wants to go to the hassle of renting a car just to make a one-time trip into town or to Sosua or wherever? Anywhere else (Sosua, Cabarete, Fields of Dreams, etc) you just get in a publico, 25 to 50 pesos.

The real problem at Blackbeards is not getting out. That can be achieved with a combination of walking, moto and publico. The problem is getting back after dark once the publicos stop running.

Anyone who has spent any time there knows the answer to that one. Their pimps / husbands / boyfriends bring them at the start of their shift and take them home afterwards. Or, as regular customers and Dominicans, they cut deals with the taxi-drivers which are not available to gringos, paying them in cash or in services rendered.Just limit your girly fun to BB. Sosua is a dump, and scams abound. Just read the Sosua pages. The best thing about places like BB is that that the girls are vetted, and fair behavior is incentivized by the fear of being kicked out. That ability to enforce good behavior is a rarity. That' what you are paying for at BB, really.

The problem is that BB is pretty far from everything else. If your only desire to getaway is for non-girly fun, that is easily arrangeable by things like publicos, as I assume you would return before dark. Lots of great stuff to do on the Northern Coast -- kite surfing in Cabarete, Damajuga Falls, etc. I assume that reputable tour services would pick you up. The problem is if you want to go out to Sosua and return at night. Then you are at the mercy of the taxi mafia. But the truth is, you are better off at BB in that regard anyway. There is nothing special about Sosua, and I have never understood why some advocate it so fiercely. You'll see it when you get there. Costambar has a beach too. Sosua has more restaurants to be sure, but for the most part, they are not substantially better than what you would find in Costambar. And if you are thinking you are missing genuine Dominican nightlife, forget it. At night, Sosua is just an expat girly hunting ground. If you want to meet other Dominicans, better to hang out in Puerto Plata or Santa Domingo.

The other option is to rent a car. That topic is somewhat controversial, with many thinking that the risk is too great to ever justify it. I disagree, though I do understand their point. The risk isn't theft or violence. its the risk of being involved in an accident, as DR drivers and motorcyclists are often crazy. I have rented a car before, as I hate being couped up on vacations. I drove only in the daytime to the various tourist attractions and beaches. I went without incident, though I will verify that some Dominican motorcyclists are absolutely crazy. But most of the time, i was driving on wide open roads. When you are near the towns, just slow down alot. Give up the right of way to everyone, even if you should have it.

That being said, there are also lots of horror stories as well. I think that you should buy a tourist book about the DR, and decide what it is you want to do. Then try to make arrangements for pickup and so forth, explaning that you will be in Costambar. Try as hard as you can to get along without a car. But if it can't be arranged, I wouldn't diminish your trip for the fear of driving. But if you want to rent a car just so you can punt in Sosua, then you are definitely introducing an unnecessary hazard.

JjBee62
07-07-15, 20:00
Just limit your girly fun to BB. Sosua is a dump, and scams abound. Just read the Sosua pages. The best thing about places like BB is that that the girls are vetted, and fair behavior is incentivized by the fear of being kicked out. That ability to enforce good behavior is a rarity. That' what you are paying for at BB, really.

The problem is that BB is pretty far from everything else. If your only desire to getaway is for non-girly fun, that is easily arrangeable by things like publicos, as I assume you would return before dark. Lots of great stuff to do on the Northern Coast -- kite surfing in Cabarete, Damajuga Falls, etc. I assume that reputable tour services would pick you up. The problem is if you want to go out to Sosua and return at night. Then you are at the mercy of the taxi mafia. But the truth is, you are better off at BB in that regard anyway. There is nothing special about Sosua, and I have never understood why some advocate it so fiercely. You'll see it when you get there. Costambar has a beach too. Sosua has more restaurants to be sure, but for the most part, they are not substantially better than what you would find in Costambar. Everyplace, outside the high dollar resorts in the DR is a dump, when judged by first world standards. For someone staying at BBs, making a day trip to Sosua, just to get a chica ST, is silly.

On the other hand, the selection at BBs is rather limited and someone with high standards will quickly get tired of saying no while waiting his turn on the one or two chicas worth the pesos.

BBs is great for a laid-back, not too picky traveler, who wants to expend minimal energy. Food is pretty good, service is good, and the chicas are friendly.

There's nothing wrong with splitting a stay between BBs and Sosua. Spend a few days in each and compare. I stayed in 3 different hotels in Sosua and each room was as good or better than my room at BBs, and cheaper too.

At BBs, you might see about 20 different chicas to choose from in a given day, maybe a few more. In Sosua, at 10 am, a 10 minute walk will take you past that many chicas. At 10 pm, there's 100 or more within 50 feet of Rumbas.

My personal recommendation, for someone spending more than 4 days, split the time. Spend a few days at Blackbeard's then head to Sosua for a few days. Why limit yourself to just one experience?

Yanqui69
07-07-15, 20:42
Just limit your girly fun to BB. Sosua is a dump, and scams abound. Just read the Sosua pages. The best thing about places like BB is that that the girls are vetted, and fair behavior is incentivized by the fear of being kicked out. That ability to enforce good behavior is a rarity. That' what you are paying for at BB, really.

The problem is that BB is pretty far from everything else. If your only desire to getaway is for non-girly fun, that is easily arrangeable by things like publicos, as I assume you would return before dark. Lots of great stuff to do on the Northern Coast -- kite surfing in Cabarete, Damajuga Falls, etc. I assume that reputable tour services would pick you up. The problem is if you want to go out to Sosua and return at night. Then you are at the mercy of the taxi mafia. But the truth is, you are better off at BB in that regard anyway. There is nothing special about Sosua, and I have never understood why some advocate it so fiercely. You'll see it when you get there. Costambar has a beach too. Sosua has more restaurants to be sure, but for the most part, they are not substantially better than what you would find in Costambar. And if you are thinking you are missing genuine Dominican nightlife, forget it. At night, Sosua is just an expat girly hunting ground. If you want to meet other Dominicans, better to hang out in Puerto Plata or Santa Domingo.

The other option is to rent a car. That topic is somewhat controversial, with many thinking that the risk is too great to ever justify it. I disagree, though I do understand their point. The risk isn't theft or violence. its the risk of being involved in an accident, as DR drivers and motorcyclists are often crazy. I have rented a car before, as I hate being couped up on vacations. I drove only in the daytime to the various tourist attractions and beaches. I went without incident, though I will verify that some Dominican motorcyclists are absolutely crazy. But most of the time, i was driving on wide open roads. When you are near the towns, just slow down alot. Give up the right of way to everyone, even if you should have it.

That being said, there are also lots of horror stories as well. I think that you should buy a tourist book about the DR, and decide what it is you want to do. Then try to make arrangements for pickup and so forth, explaning that you will be in Costambar. Try as hard as you can to get along without a car. But if it can't be arranged, I wouldn't diminish your trip for the fear of driving. But if you want to rent a car just so you can punt in Sosua, then you are definitely introducing an unnecessary hazard.On the subject of driving, that can be very risky for a first-timer.

Observe the traffic for a while.

The locals are insane, and any accident will be YOUR fault, since you are the only one with money, and even the cops will have their hand out.

Unless you love taking chances, save for a later trip.

Bliadun
07-07-15, 21:06
But it looks like the guy wants to try two different types of experience. For some people choice 50 chicas is not good enough.

BB offers several organised tours with pick up from hotel.


Just limit your girly fun to BB. Sosua is a dump, and scams abound. Just read the Sosua pages. The best thing about places like BB is that that the girls are vetted, and fair behavior is incentivized by the fear of being kicked out. That ability to enforce good behavior is a rarity. That' what you are paying for at BB, really.

The problem is that BB is pretty far from everything else. If your only desire to getaway is for non-girly fun, that is easily arrangeable by things like publicos, as I assume you would return before dark. Lots of great stuff to do on the Northern Coast -- kite surfing in Cabarete, Damajuga Falls, etc. I assume that reputable tour services would pick you up. The problem is if you want to go out to Sosua and return at night. Then you are at the mercy of the taxi mafia. But the truth is, you are better off at BB in that regard anyway. There is nothing special about Sosua, and I have never understood why some advocate it so fiercely. You'll see it when you get there. Costambar has a beach too. Sosua has more restaurants to be sure, but for the most part, they are not substantially better than what you would find in Costambar. And if you are thinking you are missing genuine Dominican nightlife, forget it. At night, Sosua is just an expat girly hunting ground. If you want to meet other Dominicans, better to hang out in Puerto Plata or Santa Domingo.

Manny51
07-08-15, 02:15
On the subject of driving, that can be very risky for a first-timer.

Observe the traffic for a while.

The locals are insane, and any accident will be YOUR fault, since you are the only one with money, and even the cops will have their hand out.

Unless you love taking chances, save for a later trip.I don't think that driving gets any safer for veterans. Familiarity has nothing to do with it. The roads are not complicated. In fact, they are very simple. No way will you get lost. Its not the tourist causing the risk, its the native Dominicans.

In fact, I think that renting a car ONLY makes sense for first-timers. Its the first time that you go that you want to visit the tourist sites. But once you have seen them, repeat visitors are only there to play.

If you do get a car, then get it at the airport. The best part about renting a car is having complete control of your transportation to and from the airport. Rides to and from the airport are when people try to rip you off the most. Plus, you don't have to worry about getting to the airport late. Just get a good map, or get very good directions from the hotel you are staying at.

I have a strong suspicion that most of the people who get into accidents are driving at night or under the influence. At night, especially in Sosua, there are tons of people running randomly across the street. Lots of drunk people. Other cars whose headlights or taillights are broken. Very few, if any streetlamps. That's not to forget the few beers that YOU have had. I think that the risk driving is quadrupled at night.

If you REALLY want to see Sosua, then stay there the last night. At least that will make getting to the airport easy. Trust me, you won't be missing out.

I remember the first time I visited the DR, about 5-6 years ago. You hear and read so much about Sosua. In books, online. Investigative journalists always talk about it in expose's of the DR nightlife and "denizens of ill repute in foreign lands that threaten to infect the puritanical USA." So much that it kind of becomes legendary in your head. You just HAVE to see it. And when you get there, you are just so disappointed. Its just a few blocks of shit bars, with lots of average scantily clad women trying to get your attention. You will have read all the posts of guys who got ripped off, and you will wonder what the fuss is all about. You'll see a lot of American guys walking around drunk who need a shower. And local small restaurants serving poor versions of hamburgers and pizza.

It's not that Sosua is particularly bad. Its just that it doesn't live up to the legend. Its just a very average red light district. And after you see it for the first time, you'll wonder why anyone bothers to leave the other, more controlled environments, like BB, FOD, and when it was around, Oxygen.

But what do the rest of you think? Have things changed? I kind of wandered back into the DR forums because I have been following everything in the news about the Haitian expulsion.

JjBee62
07-08-15, 02:50
If you REALLY want to see Sosua, then stay there the last night. At least that will make getting to the airport easy. Trust me, you won't be missing out.

I remember the first time I visited the DR, about 5-6 years ago. You hear and read so much about Sosua. In books, online. Investigative journalists always talk about it in expose's of the DR nightlife and "denizens of ill repute in foreign lands that threaten to infect the puritanical USA." So much that it kind of becomes legendary in your head. You just HAVE to see it. And when you get there, you are just so disappointed. Its just a few blocks of shit bars, with lots of average scantily clad women trying to get your attention. You will have read all the posts of guys who got ripped off, and you will wonder what the fuss is all about. You'll see a lot of American guys walking around drunk who need a shower. And local small restaurants serving poor versions of hamburgers and pizza.

It's not that Sosua is particularly bad. Its just that it doesn't live up to the legend. Its just a very average red light district. And after you see it for the first time, you'll wonder why anyone bothers to leave the other, more controlled environments, like BB, FOD, and when it was around, Oxygen.

But what do the rest of you think? Have things changed? I kind of wandered back into the DR forums because I have been following everything in the news about the Haitian expulsion.Either Sosua has undergone radical changes since 5 or 6 years ago, or your perceptions are off, or maybe you had unrealistic expectations.

During my 2 days at BBs I saw two women that I considered very attractive, and one of those was a bit of a disappointment once the clothes came off, although no complaints about her performance. The other, I didn't manage to work her into my schedule, so I can't say how she was. Most of the rest were in the okay to above average range and a few were in the I need another beer first category. Some of them were a lot of fun, but not much in the way of eye candy. Perhaps it is better on the weekends. I had a good time and may return someday, but if I had gone in with high expectations, I would have been disappointed.

Sosua is a mongering town in a 3rd world country. If you go there expecting a mix of Miami Beach and Las Vegas, you're going to be disappointed. But, if you look read the forum, do a little research, you'll find it's a relaxed little town with hundreds of available women, in all shapes and sizes. On any given day you can easily find 20 women who look as good or better than anyone you will find at BBs. Rather than having one restaurant and bar, except when the disco is open, you have dozens to choose from, with lower prices. Also, the women and hotel rooms are lower priced as well, at least some of them.

You describe Sosua as a dump, risky to visit, and I found it to be much different, and it lived up to my reasonable expectations.

For some people, the environment at FoD and BBs is perfect for them, others prefer the environment in Sosua. Just because Sosua isn't to your liking, that's no reason to unfairly trash the place.

Manny51
07-08-15, 03:50
Either Sosua has undergone radical changes since 5 or 6 years ago, or your perceptions are off, or maybe you had unrealistic expectations.

During my 2 days at BBs I saw two women that I considered very attractive, and one of those was a bit of a disappointment once the clothes came off, although no complaints about her performance. The other, I didn't manage to work her into my schedule, so I can't say how she was. Most of the rest were in the okay to above average range and a few were in the I need another beer first category. Some of them were a lot of fun, but not much in the way of eye candy. Perhaps it is better on the weekends. I had a good time and may return someday, but if I had gone in with high expectations, I would have been disappointed.

Sosua is a mongering town in a 3rd world country. If you go there expecting a mix of Miami Beach and Las Vegas, you're going to be disappointed. But, if you look read the forum, do a little research, you'll find it's a relaxed little town with hundreds of available women, in all shapes and sizes. On any given day you can easily find 20 women who look as good or better than anyone you will find at BBs. Rather than having one restaurant and bar, except when the disco is open, you have dozens to choose from, with lower prices. Also, the women and hotel rooms are lower priced as well, at least some of them.

You describe Sosua as a dump, risky to visit, and I found it to be much different, and it lived up to my reasonable expectations.

For some people, the environment at FoD and BBs is perfect for them, others prefer the environment in Sosua. Just because Sosua isn't to your liking, that's no reason to unfairly trash the place.I didn't say it was unsafe. What I do think is that it is nothing special. Sosua has a notoriety that it doesn't deserve. The women are no prettier than those at BB and FOD. The beach is not particularly nice. All these things can be duplicated at other better places on the North Coast, and for a better experience. And for a first timer planning a visit, getting bent out of shape trying to figure out transportation to visit both, all am I saying is that missing Sosua is not a big deal.

The best I have ever heard is people saying that they "enjoy the hunt,' and "to each his own. " I don't get it, but fine, whatever. But my response was aimed at the first time visitor, not the veteran. I think you would be hard pressed to make a case for Sosua for the first timer as opposed to BB.

Maybe you have some fond memories of the place. I didn't mean to insult them. But think about it. This is SOSUA you are defending.

JjBee62
07-08-15, 05:27
I didn't say it was unsafe. What I do think is that it is nothing special. Sosua has a notoriety that it doesn't deserve. The women are no prettier than those at BB and FOD. The beach is not particularly nice. All these things can be duplicated at other better places on the North Coast, and for a better experience. And for a first timer planning a visit, getting bent out of shape trying to figure out transportation to visit both, all am I saying is that missing Sosua is not a big deal.

The best I have ever heard is people saying that they "enjoy the hunt,' and "to each his own. " I don't get it, but fine, whatever. But my response was aimed at the first time visitor, not the veteran. I think you would be hard pressed to make a case for Sosua for the first timer as opposed to BB.

Maybe you have some fond memories of the place. I didn't mean to insult them. But think about it. This is SOSUA you are defending.Well, I was a first timer. I went to Sosua for 6 days, Blackbeard's for 2 days and then spent 2 days in Santo Domingo for some sightseeing. My knowledge of Spanish is low and I'm not a seasoned mongering traveler.

Apparently the days I was at Blackbeard's was during give all the good looking girls time off week. As far as looks go, there were only 2 that I considered top notch. In comparison, the maid at Hotel Plaza Europa was better looking than any of the other girls at Blackbeard's and I'm pretty sure I could have had her for a reasonable price. Inside Rumbas, at night were easily 20 women better looking than the best I saw at Blackbeard's. I never made it to Classicos or Merengue, where the hottest women are said to be.

There's no hunting in Sosua. Just walk down the street and say "No" until you find the one you want, or sit down at any of the open cafes or bars and wait until your type walks by. If you do that in Rumbas, you will have a difficult time deciding, because there will be plenty of your type trying to get your attention.

Both Blackbeard's and Sosua are excellent options for the first time visitor. If the person doesn't want to worry about making decisions and just wants to spend his tome laying by the pool, eating and playing with the chicas, without ever having to move more than 150 feet from his room, Blackbeard's is the place. You can't go wrong and it's a great experience. At least I enjoyed my time there.

On the other hand, if a visitor likes having options and isn't afraid to venture out of the hotel, Sosua is a good place. I had a good time and I thought both of Sosua's beaches were quite nice.

Yanqui69
07-08-15, 14:46
I don't think that driving gets any safer for veterans. Familiarity has nothing to do with it. The roads are not complicated. In fact, they are very simple. No way will you get lost. Its not the tourist causing the risk, its the native Dominicans.

In fact, I think that renting a car ONLY makes sense for first-timers. Its the first time that you go that you want to visit the tourist sites. But once you have seen them, repeat visitors are only there to play.

If you do get a car, then get it at the airport. The best part about renting a car is having complete control of your transportation to and from the airport. Rides to and from the airport are when people try to rip you off the most. Plus, you don't have to worry about getting to the airport late. Just get a good map, or get very good directions from the hotel you are staying at.

I have a strong suspicion that most of the people who get into accidents are driving at night or under the influence. At night, especially in Sosua, there are tons of people running randomly across the street. Lots of drunk people. Other cars whose headlights or taillights are broken. Very few, if any streetlamps. That's not to forget the few beers that YOU have had. I think that the risk driving is quadrupled at night.

If you REALLY want to see Sosua, then stay there the last night. At least that will make getting to the airport easy. Trust me, you won't be missing out.

I remember the first time I visited the DR, about 5-6 years ago. You hear and read so much about Sosua. In books, online. Investigative journalists always talk about it in expose's of the DR nightlife and "denizens of ill repute in foreign lands that threaten to infect the puritanical USA." So much that it kind of becomes legendary in your head. You just HAVE to see it. And when you get there, you are just so disappointed. Its just a few blocks of shit bars, with lots of average scantily clad women trying to get your attention. You will have read all the posts of guys who got ripped off, and you will wonder what the fuss is all about. You'll see a lot of American guys walking around drunk who need a shower. And local small restaurants serving poor versions of hamburgers and pizza.

It's not that Sosua is particularly bad. Its just that it doesn't live up to the legend. Its just a very average red light district. And after you see it for the first time, you'll wonder why anyone bothers to leave the other, more controlled environments, like BB, FOD, and when it was around, Oxygen.

But what do the rest of you think? Have things changed? I kind of wandered back into the DR forums because I have been following everything in the news about the Haitian expulsion.
Just to explain my thoughts, I think one should observe Dominican drivers a bit, especially the motoconchos. They invite death, and the gringo will pay.
A newbie needs to be aware how those idiots drive, to be aware and on guard when on the road.

True experience: I was in one town, in the left lane, with my left turn signal on, waiting for oncoming traffic to pass, to make a left turn.

Once it was clear, I began the turn, - and a motoconcho (with passenger) slammed into the driver's door, ripping off the rear view mirror.

I watched the bike, the driver, and the female passenger sliding past on the asphalt.

I was in shock, imagining jail, lawsuits, how a delay might affect my job, etc.

It was only the girl I was with that saved me. Took passengers to local clinic, so no police report, paid small medical expenses at clinic, etc.

Even got squeezed for helping the idiot pay for damages to his bike, just to get out of there.

Point is, you can bet it will not be YOUR fault, but it doesn't matter. YOU will pay.

And one needs to be prepared for the idiots on motoconchos, because logic, reason, and traffic laws mean nothing there.

Manny51
07-08-15, 16:50
Just to explain my thoughts, I think one should observe Dominican drivers a bit, especially the motoconchos. They invite death, and the gringo will pay.
A newbie needs to be aware how those idiots drive, to be aware and on guard when on the road.

True experience: I was in one town, in the left lane, with my left turn signal on, waiting for oncoming traffic to pass, to make a left turn.

Once it was clear, I began the turn, - and a motoconcho (with passenger) slammed into the driver's door, ripping off the rear view mirror.

I watched the bike, the driver, and the female passenger sliding past on the asphalt.

I was in shock, imagining jail, lawsuits, how a delay might affect my job, etc.

It was only the girl I was with that saved me. Took passengers to local clinic, so no police report, paid small medical expenses at clinic, etc.

Even got squeezed for helping the idiot pay for damages to his bike, just to get out of there.

Point is, you can bet it will not be YOUR fault, but it doesn't matter. YOU will pay.

And one needs to be prepared for the idiots on motoconchos, because logic, reason, and traffic laws mean nothing there.Great story. In fact, I think I remember reading it before I left for the trip when I rented a car. I always looked behind me before making any turns.

Was the accident in the daytime or at night? If at night, did he have a headlight on? Had you had any booze?

That being said, why do you think that the "gringo will pay?" You volunteered to pay his expenses to avoid a nasty court thing. I would have done the same. But it didn't go to court. A police officer didnt say "well, its your fault, so you pay." For all you know, you may have been vindicated if it went through the system.

Unless there is more to the story, the lesson I take away is 1) you handled it well, and 2) always give right of way, and look behind you on turns.

Manny51
07-08-15, 17:00
Well, I was a first timer. I went to Sosua for 6 days, Blackbeard's for 2 days and then spent 2 days in Santo Domingo for some sightseeing. My knowledge of Spanish is low and I'm not a seasoned mongering traveler.

Apparently the days I was at Blackbeard's was during give all the good looking girls time off week. As far as looks go, there were only 2 that I considered top notch. In comparison, the maid at Hotel Plaza Europa was better looking than any of the other girls at Blackbeard's and I'm pretty sure I could have had her for a reasonable price. Inside Rumbas, at night were easily 20 women better looking than the best I saw at Blackbeard's. I never made it to Classicos or Merengue, where the hottest women are said to be.

There's no hunting in Sosua. Just walk down the street and say "No" until you find the one you want, or sit down at any of the open cafes or bars and wait until your type walks by. If you do that in Rumbas, you will have a difficult time deciding, because there will be plenty of your type trying to get your attention.

Both Blackbeard's and Sosua are excellent options for the first time visitor. If the person doesn't want to worry about making decisions and just wants to spend his tome laying by the pool, eating and playing with the chicas, without ever having to move more than 150 feet from his room, Blackbeard's is the place. You can't go wrong and it's a great experience. At least I enjoyed my time there.

On the other hand, if a visitor likes having options and isn't afraid to venture out of the hotel, Sosua is a good place. I had a good time and I thought both of Sosua's beaches were quite nice.When I was talking to experienced guys at BB, they all told me that ALL the girls want to work there. Its a coveted position to get. And I can understand why. There is security for BOTH sides. Its hidden away, so you won't by chance run into family or friends. They get free medical check ups. From what I have read, they don't make any more money working freelance. I am guessing that they probably get a free meal out of it.

I can't think of a single reason why a woman would not take BB over the street, hence I can't imagine why the women would not be better looking. I can't explain what you saw, but I can't imagine why they would be worse. I saw them as the same in looks, but with better attitude.

Yanqui69
07-08-15, 17:38
When I was talking to experienced guys at BB, they all told me that ALL the girls want to work there. Its a coveted position to get. And I can understand why. There is security for BOTH sides. Its hidden away, so you won't by chance run into family or friends. They get free medical check ups. From what I have read, they don't make any more money working freelance. I am guessing that they probably get a free meal out of it.

I can't think of a single reason why a woman would not take BB over the street, hence I can't imagine why the women would not be better looking. I can't explain what you saw, but I can't imagine why they would be worse. I saw them as the same in looks, but with better attitude.The girls prefer to work at BB for the controlled environment and security for them as well.

No danger of street violence, robbery, sexual assault, abuse by police (or possibly by clients).

For security and quality control, I always liked BB.

Street action is strictly "buyer beware. ".

OldKool
07-08-15, 17:45
I have been to BB twice and have no plans of returning. The women were just OK. Most were 6 or 7 nothing special. Everything there is ok but not special. I will take the streets of Sosua every time. At BB you have 15 to 20 chicas laying around bored. The 2 or 3 hot ones are used constantly and are hard to schedule. Me personally do not like knowing the girl I just fucked was sucking the guys next to me dick the night before. BB girls are committed hard core pros. Sosua has a variety of women with different perspectives. There is a difference between a full time pro and a college girl getting cash for school. To each his own. Casas are a big turn off to me. The illusion of hunting in Sosua is a big turn on for me.
Some women like the ablity to not fuck some guys.











When I was talking to experienced guys at BB, they all told me that ALL the girls want to work there. Its a coveted position to get. And I can understand why. There is security for BOTH sides. Its hidden away, so you won't by chance run into family or friends. They get free medical check ups. From what I have read, they don't make any more money working freelance. I am guessing that they probably get a free meal out of it.

I can't think of a single reason why a woman would not take BB over the street, hence I can't imagine why the women would not be better looking. I can't explain what you saw, but I can't imagine why they would be worse. I saw them as the same in looks, but with better attitude.

JjBee62
07-08-15, 19:53
When I was talking to experienced guys at BB, they all told me that ALL the girls want to work there. Its a coveted position to get. And I can understand why. There is security for BOTH sides. Its hidden away, so you won't by chance run into family or friends. They get free medical check ups. From what I have read, they don't make any more money working freelance. I am guessing that they probably get a free meal out of it.

I can't think of a single reason why a woman would not take BB over the street, hence I can't imagine why the women would not be better looking. I can't explain what you saw, but I can't imagine why they would be worse. I saw them as the same in looks, but with better attitude.Well, if you can't imagine it, there's a very simple solution. Go to Blackbeard's, take along a notebook and rate each girl. Rate her on her face, her body, with and without clothes, try to estimate her age, and rate her attitude and performance. Then go to Sosua. Sit down at Rumbas and just start rating the girls. Rate 30 or 40 of them on the visible areas, and however many you can on attitude and performance.

Here's my results from Blackbeard's, where I had some experience with 7 different girls, 1 only in room, 5 only in jacuzzi and 1 in both places. I'm sorry it's not a more exhaustive list, but I was suffering from a severe head cold those 2 days.

#1 In room. Face decent until closer inspection revealed makeup covering acne. Small firm breasts, ass a bit big for my taste. Attitude at bar excellent. Attitude in room below average. Lots of restrictions and my tastes are very tame. Quite a bit of a primadonna attitude. Performance just average. Age probably early 20's.

#2 In jacuzzi with #3 - face slightly above average. Body above average clothed, slightly below average unclothed, sagging issues. Attitude above average. Performance average. Age late 20's.

#3 In jacuzzi and room. Face slightly below average. Body average. Attitude and performance, both places, above average. Age mid to late 20's.

#4 In jacuzzi. Face excellent. Body clothed excellent, unclothed above average. Attitude and performance between above average and excellent. Age late teens to early 20's.

#5 In jacuzzi. Face above average. Body above average clothed, average unclothed. Attitude above average to excellent. Performance excellent. Age mid to late 20's.

#6 in jacuzzi. Face average. Body below average, long hairs on nipples and small of back. Attitude and performance above average. Age late 20's.

#7 In jacuzzi. Face aversge. Body below average with some weird skin growths. Attitude and performance above average. Age late 20's.

In Sosua, even though I was there longer, only 4 to rate. Between sightseeing and sampling different eating establishments, I was distracted from the pursuit of chicas.

#1 - Face excellent. Body excellent. Attitude average. Performance below average. Age 18.

#2 - Face excellent. Body excellent. Attitude Excellent. Performance Excellent with honors. Age 18 to 24.

#3 - Face above average. Body average. Attitude above average. Performance excellent. Age mid 20's.

#4 - Face above average. Body above average. Attitude average. Performance average. Age mid 20's.

As I've said, I enjoyed both places. At Blackbeard's I was much more active because there really wasn't anything else to do. It's like a nice comfortable strip joint with a swimming pool.

In Sosua I found more people to talk to, found more things to do and see and found many more choices when it came to chicas. I also enjoyed all of the people watching opportunities.

My initial plans were along the lines of BBs, although a different place with more accessible outside options. I changed my plans because of costs and because I wanted a broader experience. If I had spent my entire trip at Blackbeard's, I would probably have little desire to return. Instead, I am hoping to return, to Blackbeard's, Sosua and to experience other spots as well.

Manny51
07-08-15, 23:47
Well, if you can't imagine it, there's a very simple solution. Go to Blackbeard's, take along a notebook and rate each girl. Rate her on her face, her body, with and without clothes, try to estimate her age, and rate her attitude and performance. Then go to Sosua. Sit down at Rumbas and just start rating the girls. Rate 30 or 40 of them on the visible areas, and however many you can on attitude and performance.

Here's my results from Blackbeard's, where I had some experience with 7 different girls, 1 only in room, 5 only in jacuzzi and 1 in both places. I'm sorry it's not a more exhaustive list, but I was suffering from a severe head cold those 2 days.

In Sosua I found more people to talk to, found more things to do and see and found many more choices when it came to chicas. I also enjoyed all of the people watching opportunities.

My initial plans were along the lines of BBs, although a different place with more accessible outside options. I changed my plans because of costs and because I wanted a broader experience. If I had spent my entire trip at Blackbeard's, I would probably have little desire to return. Instead, I am hoping to return, to Blackbeard's, Sosua and to experience other spots as well.One on one debating about where the girls are prettier is an exercise in futility. I have found that, when it comes to black women, opinions of beauty vary WIDELY. Girls that some guys complement as "thick," I find fat. I'll often go to the Photo Gallery section and scratch my head when I see guys posting pictures and waxing poetic about women I find completely ordinary. I do agree that the only fair way to assess beauty is to go and check it out yourself.

Of course there may be some women who truly prefer working on the street. Fine. But once you accept that most women would probably prefer to work at BB if they could, it behooves you to ask WHY they are not there. It may have been because they tried to rip off customers too often, got caught stealing, or failed a basic STD screen.

Manny51
07-09-15, 00:04
I have been to BB twice and have no plans of returning. The women were just OK. Most were 6 or 7 nothing special. Everything there is ok but not special. I will take the streets of Sosua every time. At BB you have 15 to 20 chicas laying around bored. The 2 or 3 hot ones are used constantly and are hard to schedule. Me personally do not like knowing the girl I just fucked was sucking the guys next to me dick the night before. BB girls are committed hard core pros. Sosua has a variety of women with different perspectives. There is a difference between a full time pro and a college girl getting cash for school. To each his own. Casas are a big turn off to me. The illusion of hunting in Sosua is a big turn on for me.
Some women like the ablity to not fuck some guys.Interesting, so you think that the girls are MORE hard care at BB? So in your experience, there are more part-timers, newbs to the night in Sosua?

From my limited observations, I detected no difference in the women whatsoever. I found the women at BB, FOD, and Sosua equal in looks. The advantage of BB and FOD isn't in looks, its in vetting and the incentives for good behavior.

Yanqui69
07-09-15, 00:07
Great story. In fact, I think I remember reading it before I left for the trip when I rented a car. I always looked behind me before making any turns.

Was the accident in the daytime or at night? If at night, did he have a headlight on? Had you had any booze?

That being said, why do you think that the "gringo will pay?" You volunteered to pay his expenses to avoid a nasty court thing. I would have done the same. But it didn't go to court. A police officer didnt say "well, its your fault, so you pay." For all you know, you may have been vindicated if it went through the system.

Unless there is more to the story, the lesson I take away is 1) you handled it well, and 2) always give right of way, and look behind you on turns.It was daytime. I had nothing to drink.

I only paid for part of the idiot's motoconcho because he and a couple of friends would not let me leave.

He wanted more, and the friends convinced him to take my offer.

I willingly paid only for the female passenger's medical bill, which was small, to avoid any problems with her family.

IF the cops had been involved, THEY would have wanted money, and I know stories of gringos spending a day or two in jail, waiting for a lawyer or money to "fix things".

My lesson was ALWAYS LOOK. Motoconchos will appear WHERE THEY SHOULD NOT BE.
I make all course changes gradually, to allow any motoconcho I didn't see, time to move out of the way.
My luck was the girl. She knew to take control of the situation, and get everyone to a clinic fast.
Had the cops arrived first and taken charge, it would likely have been a disaster for me.

Imagine any gringo on his own, and he would have waited for the cops; and at that point, he'd be screwed.
Once immersed in the Dominican legal system, you are at the mercy of a corrupt, incompetent system, and those involved have time to get a lawyer and make claims, etc.

Lou32
07-09-15, 00:25
I think the BB, FOD and Sosua girls are all the same. Some like the security and back-up in case a gringo monger is a bit too physical or abusive while others like to bag their own prey in the streets of Sosua. They may not like the fact that working at BB they can't trick some newbie into a $200 night.

But pretty much the very same North Coast "Professional" Dominican women at each location. It would seem that if you want a non-pro you leave the compounds AND Sosua.

Charles Pooter
07-09-15, 02:43
For all you know, you may have been vindicated if it went through the system.Yes, that is remotely possible. But even in that rare event, it would not be a great comfort after you had spent 3 days to 3 months in a Dominican jail and spent a small fortune on lawyers. Best of luck trying to get compensation from a Dominican court, not to mention always looking over your shoulder for her brothers, cousins, and boyfriends coming after you for vengeance with knives and machetes.

What does work is having a powerful contact high up in the system. A few guys here boast of having one. In some cases it might even be true. But most of us are not that fortunate.

Manny, you live in a little bubble of your own. No wonder you like to spend your time interned in the likes of Oxygen, Blackbeards and Field of Dreams where you are sheltered from the "real" DR. Seriously, it is the right policy for you.

JjBee62
07-09-15, 06:29
Of course there may be some women who truly prefer working on the street. Fine. But once you accept that most women would probably prefer to work at BB if they could, it behooves you to ask WHY they are not there. It may have been because they tried to rip off customers too often, got caught stealing, or failed a basic STD screen.Here's the problem: you said, you heard from the guys at BBs that most women would prefer to work there, and from that I'm supposed to accept as fact that most women would prefer to work there.

As I see it, if you got it from BBs regulars, they got it from the girls who work at BBs, most of which probably prefer to work there. It's like standing inside a Walmart and asking customers where they prefer to shop.

Rather than assume, with nothing to support the assumption, that the majority of girls not working at BBs, would rather be working at BBs, you should stick with the data and ask why do the girls at BBs prefer that to somewhere else.

Safety and security is one possibility. I think there is a much more likely reason, less competition. My rough estimate is a 20 to 1 ratio, available women to looking me in Sosua. At BBs, it was 2 or 3 to 1. Team up with another girl for jacuzzi tag teams and now it's almost 1 to 1. With those odds, even a woman with hair on her nipples or rather grotesque growths on her hands, has a good chance of making some money.

OldKool
07-09-15, 14:52
In Sosua you get a couple of 100 hotties as a opposed to BBs 20 or 30. On weekends buses of Santiago red bones show up. I have met some girls very new to the game in Sosua.. I control my encounters with the ladies. It is true that rip offs and scams are reduced but that is part of th excitement of Sosua. Sosua has many part timers because of the constant turn over . I tend to look for this type of chica. If you speak a little Spanish you can find them. If Sosua did not exist or was shut down BBs would be a great option when got a Bently the Mercedes loses some of its luster.


Interesting, so you think that the girls are MORE hard care at BB? So in your experience, there are more part-timers, newbs to the night in Sosua?

From my limited observations, I detected no difference in the women whatsoever. I found the women at BB, FOD, and Sosua equal in looks. The advantage of BB and FOD isn't in looks, its in vetting and the incentives for good behavior.

Yanqui69
07-09-15, 14:53
Here's the problem: you said, you heard from the guys at BBs that most women would prefer to work there, and from that I'm supposed to accept as fact that most women would prefer to work there.

As I see it, if you got it from BBs regulars, they got it from the girls who work at BBs, most of which probably prefer to work there. It's like standing inside a Walmart and asking customers where they prefer to shop.

Rather than assume, with nothing to support the assumption, that the majority of girls not working at BBs, would rather be working at BBs, you should stick with the data and ask why do the girls at BBs prefer that to somewhere else.

Safety and security is one possibility. I think there is a much more likely reason, less competition. My rough estimate is a 20 to 1 ratio, available women to looking me in Sosua. At BBs, it was 2 or 3 to 1. Team up with another girl for jacuzzi tag teams and now it's almost 1 to 1. With those odds, even a woman with hair on her nipples or rather grotesque growths on her hands, has a good chance of making some money.In fact, they DO prefer to work there.

And I got that from conversations with the chicas (more than a few). One I know very well who left years ago, told me she considered herself very lucky to be working there.

They prefer the controlled environment; safer for them on a number of levels. On the customer level, no scams, thievery, bait-and-switch, etc.

To use your Wal-Mart example, hearing it from a chica is more like asking a Wal-Mart employee, not a customer.

If the employee is positive about their place of work, I take their word for it.

Occasionally one will leave because they don't want to follow certain rules, but overall, its a very coveted place to work.

A girl can get told to leave for misconduct, complaints, or if she gets too fat, etc.

The freelancers may have their reasons for doing so, but some may be drama queens, thieves, druggies, scams, etc that wouldn't last long.

Have occasionally seen former BB chicas at FOD, for example. Given the difference in the level of business, they would not consider that positive.

When you see a former BB girl working elsewhere, its not considered a step up.

No need to turn this into a prolonged debate, just leave at "to each his own. ".

Stick with what you enjoy.

Manny51
07-09-15, 14:54
Here's the problem: you said, you heard from the guys at BBs that most women would prefer to work there, and from that I'm supposed to accept as fact that most women would prefer to work there.

As I see it, if you got it from BBs regulars, they got it from the girls who work at BBs, most of which probably prefer to work there. It's like standing inside a Walmart and asking customers where they prefer to shop.

Rather than assume, with nothing to support the assumption, that the majority of girls not working at BBs, would rather be working at BBs, you should stick with the data and ask why do the girls at BBs prefer that to somewhere else.

Safety and security is one possibility. I think there is a much more likely reason, less competition. My rough estimate is a 20 to 1 ratio, available women to looking me in Sosua. At BBs, it was 2 or 3 to 1. Team up with another girl for jacuzzi tag teams and now it's almost 1 to 1. With those odds, even a woman with hair on her nipples or rather grotesque growths on her hands, has a good chance of making some money.Well, I didn't ONLY quote those guys. I used it as an intro, followed by reasons why it makes sense. And you just made another argument in favor, which I hadn't thought of. In fact, that's one reason I can understand why people would want to go to Sosua. I suppose that if you are staying in the DR for more than a couple of days, you can want to meet someone new.

But the thing to remember is BB isn't an open door, where a girl can just randomly decide, "Hmmm. I am going to work at BB today!" You have to get permission to work there. If I hadn't emphasized it enough, it the vetting that's the biggest advantage.

I think we are making the same case.

BTW, has anyone seen any surface effects of the Haitian expulsion? The political situation is much like the USA's problem with Mexico. I was just wondering how pervasive it was. Are there cleaning ladies for cooks at BB's getting forced out? Is it the type of people that you see everyday? Or is it more of a hiding in the shadows thing?

Charles Pooter
07-09-15, 15:50
BTW, has anyone seen any surface effects of the Haitian expulsion? I was just wondering how pervasive it was. Are there cleaning ladies or cooks at BB's getting forced out? Is it the type of people that you see everyday? Or is it more of a hiding in the shadows thing?Has not really started bigtime yet. And will be a gradual process when it does.

Haitians who have work visas will not be deported. Also, those who can prove they have been in the DR since 2010 had the chance to apply for legalization, so those who were valued employees of gringos were probably helped with that.


The political situation is much like the USA's problem with Mexico.Somewhat, but drawing parallels is not helpful. The really contentious issues are where the situation differs. For example, the US had not passed a low retroactively stripping US citizenship from those who look Mexican. Do not be misled by US media coverage. Whether supporting or opposing the DR Govt, it is full of wrong information.

I think Danilo is a humane and sensible person. He went along with the blatantly racist solution (the DR's "final solution") until he had wangled the constitution to get re-elected. Now he is assured of that, he is announcing more and more exceptions and loopholes to soften the pogrom somewhat and I expect that process will continue.

Remember, the vast majority of Haitians are in the DR because they were encouraged in by Dominicans to provide cheap labor, in agriculture, construction and hospitality. Those employers will not welcome their wage bill doubling.

As you say, it is those "hiding in the shadows" who will constitute the majority of those deported. They are not really hiding, but existing from day to day on handouts from other Haitians in places where gringos never, and Dominicans rarely, set foot.

Manny51
07-09-15, 20:05
In fact, they DO prefer to work there.

And I got that from conversations with the chicas (more than a few). One I know very well who left years ago, told me she considered herself very lucky to be working there.

A girl can get told to leave for misconduct, complaints, or if she gets too fat, etc.

Stick with what you enjoy.Really? Just for getting fat? Who makes that call? That's a lot of power. I wonder how often that is enforced.

Husker Dude
07-09-15, 22:54
Really? Just for getting fat? Who makes that call? That's a lot of power. I wonder how often that is enforced.They actually have periodic weigh-ins. Girls can be suspended til they get down to their weight. I believe the mamasans are in charge of that call.

Yanqui69
07-10-15, 15:58
Really? Just for getting fat? Who makes that call? That's a lot of power. I wonder how often that is enforced.When I was going there regularly, there was a sweetie named Kenya who just blew up. Still cute, but chubby.

(Its hard for the girls to sit around for hours, with occasional drinks with the customers, without putting on weight).

The mama-san at the time told her to stay home till she dropped some weight.

I was also sitting with the mama-san when a girl dropped off her monthly health-check paperwork, - another benefit over the street.

Monthly checks are far from perfect, since you don't know what happened yesterday, but at least it reduces the odds of disease.

Manny51
07-10-15, 16:59
When I was going there regularly, there was a sweetie named Kenya who just blew up. Still cute, but chubby.

(Its hard for the girls to sit around for hours, with occasional drinks with the customers, without putting on weight).

The mama-san at the time told her to stay home till she dropped some weight.

I was also sitting with the mama-san when a girl dropped off her monthly health-check paperwork, - another benefit over the street.

Monthly checks are far from perfect, since you don't know what happened yesterday, but at least it reduces the odds of disease.Its also the diet. I thought that the Dominican version of rice and beans, which is everywhere in the Carribean and Central America, to be very heavy. I think they mix in some lard or something. I remember ordering it once, thinking I was going "light" because I wasn't that hungry, and it sat in my stomach all afternoon. Pair that up with fried chicken and stews thickened heavily with flour, and that's a recipe for a spare tire.

Bliadun
07-10-15, 17:32
Now she's visiting BB with clients sometimes.


When I was going there regularly, there was a sweetie named Kenya who just blew up. Still cute, but chubby.

Bliadun
07-10-15, 17:35
Sometimes mamasan can be biased and not enforce it too strictly.


Really? Just for getting fat? Who makes that call? That's a lot of power. I wonder how often that is enforced.

Charles Pooter
07-10-15, 17:40
Sometimes mamasan can be biased and not enforce it too strictly.It would be sensible to turn a blind eye in the case of known money-spinners. A lot of guys like these tubs of lard. See pics posted here. And even fat girls need love (and money).

Bliadun
07-10-15, 17:45
Another one is friendship.


It would be sensible to turn a blind eye in the case of known money-spinners. A lot of guys like these tubs of lard. See pics posted here. And even fat girls need love (and money).

Yanqui69
07-10-15, 17:51
Now she's visiting BB with clients sometimes.Different Kenya.

This one hooked up with a Canadian and emigrated.

Yanqui69
07-10-15, 17:55
It would be sensible to turn a blind eye in the case of known money-spinners. A lot of guys like these tubs of lard. See pics posted here. And even fat girls need love (and money).There used to be really "thick" girl there named Paola.

Most would call her fat, but she had her regular clients who liked a woman with "meat on her bones. ".

She was also what I would call a "sexual athlete. ".

She also found a way out and emigrated.

Lou32
07-11-15, 02:14
It would be interesting for a BB competitor to open up with nothing but 19 to 26 year old spinners.

Just a fantasy but I'd give that compound a try for sure.

Charles Pooter
07-11-15, 03:35
It would be interesting for a BB competitor to open up with nothing but 19 to 26 year old spinners.

What have you got against 18-year-olds?

Bliadun
07-11-15, 08:16
I have a lot of experience with chicas over 30. If chica maintains her body well, younger girl does not stand a chance.

Both life and sex experience, attitude should not be underestimated.


It would be interesting for a BB competitor to open up with nothing but 19 to 26 year old spinners.

Just a fantasy but I'd give that compound a try for sure.

Manny51
07-11-15, 18:13
I have a lot of experience with chicas over 30. If chica maintains her body well, younger girl does not stand a chance.

Both life and sex experience, attitude should not be underestimated.Its not about age. Its about how many kids they have had.

Lou32
07-11-15, 19:02
What have you got against 18-year-olds?I like a buffer between legal and u.nderage set-ups and scams (although at the compounds this shouldn't be a problem).

Actually, my ideal chica is 28, no kids, a growing sex drive, lots of experience and a can do attitude and is skinny with major curves.

But I assume that a "young spinner" only compound would be popular with male tourists.

Lou32
07-11-15, 19:14
I have a lot of experience with chicas over 30. If chica maintains her body well, younger girl does not stand a chance.

Both life and sex experience, attitude should not be underestimated.Age discrimination is wrong but a business wishing to attract the most male clientele in this industry may wish to avoid dealing with middle-aged or elderly women.

I suppose there is a market for men who primarily want to meet MILFs and G-MILFS in this arena but I doubt it is the largest market.