Thailand Lounge and Chat area [Archive] - Page 11

EihTooms

03-28-25, 06:51

Remember what happened to Michael Douglas, cause he went down on Zeta Jones too much. Damn near killed him. I'm all for DATY but only if you like the chick, and she gives you the best BBBJ of your life. So it's more like a kind of reciprocal oral. Other times, maybe just stick your dick in there, finger bang her some, but that should be enough. Remember, you're paying the chick to give you pleasure. Why are we working overtime?"working"? Then why fondle her breasts and suck her nipples? Isn't that also crossing the dreaded "Hey, I'm the paying customer" line to give the girl some pleasure too? If it is done well, that is.

DFK? I have heard some females respond well and enjoy the feeling of that too. And when I do it I find myself performing at least half of the "work" it requires.

It never occurred to me to ask for a 50% discount on any time devoted to DFK, breast fondling and nipple sucking. I mean, considering some punters consider acts like that to be "work" for the customer and only meant to give pleasure to the girl.

Of course, Michael Douglas was also a heavy smoker for many years. And there are HPV vaccines available that supposedly reduce risk of infection wherever or however serious levels of it might be introduced, if that was a factor in his throat problem.

I did an HPV vaccine series several years ago just for the hell of it because it was available at Thai Red Cross. However, that would be decades after I had already DATY, fucked and been sucked by at least a couple of thousand different women and happily guzzled gallons of vaginal fluids along the way with no downside problems at all. Possibly more than Michael Douglas ever licked, fucked and got sucked by. Who knows. Luckily, I never picked up the smoking habit.

Explorer8939

03-28-25, 06:56

ROTFLMAO!

You constantly post misinformation that all girls in Pattaya are Bar Girls and that Blow Job Bars do not exist anymore.
.There are about 25,000 bar girls in Pattaya, and maybe 250,000 female residents. Having said that, a considerable number of civvie ladies go with paying customers from time to time. And don't forget the army of massage ladies.

I had a lady over last night who started out as a mia noi for a Thai man. She eventually found out that she the #14 mia noi for the guy, and one of other ladies in the harem eventually dispensed with the other ladies. After she lost her "boyfriend" she went into the bar girl business.

As for the blow job bars, there aren't as many pure BJ bars as there used to be. Gentlemen's clubs have put a dent in that industry sector.

Explorer8939

03-28-25, 14:38

And I had my regular massage lady over tonight for drinking and sex. Great work ethic. She drank 2 bottles of wine, and fucked like a mink.

Now I am waiting for my backup massage lady to show up for an overnighter.

MongerHunger

03-28-25, 19:14

There are about 25,000 bar girls in PattayaIt would be nice if you posted links or websites of credibility that would back up your claims. If you can't do that then your assumptions are inflated, exaggerated, created for your own misinformation. Post your findings and back your claims. If you can't do that then cut the crap!

Newton York

03-29-25, 01:01

SubCmdr

03-29-25, 01:41

I don't know fellas. I feel like sucking on some titties is nicer than DATY. It's a personal preference. And when I do dine down there, I much prefer shaved chicks. And when money is involved, I think it makes more sense for the chick to blow me, than for me to eat her. Just sayin. More than anything, I like making out with the chick. That I like a lot, in some weird way I feel like it's more intimate. It used to strike me as weird whenever I meet working girls who'd blow me, but wouldn't kiss me on the lips with tongue. More than a few have said they only do that with their boyfriends. And I'm thinking to myself, well ain't that something? But you're blowing me, and we're going to be fucking. I'm going to literally have my dick in your pussy, and only your boyfriend gets to make out with you?

Me thinks that's kinda weird.I think it is kind of weird mother fucks want to pay to eat pussy. But hey that's me. If you like it, then I love it. Doesn't mean I am going to do it.

It actually makes complete sense to me You yourself said it feels more intimate. Internally to her it is an intimacy barrier. Otherwise you wouldn't want to kiss. Paid sex is not about INTIMACY is about performing a sex act that results in mental / genital pleasure for the person paying for the service. My Soi 6 after hours bar girl wouldn't kiss. But I could fuck that ass. ROTFLMAO!

If you want to kiss, get a girlfriend!

Explorer8939

03-29-25, 02:04

And then massage lady #2 came for the night. No drinking, straight to bed for massage sex and sleep.

During massage sex, I try to cum fast, and the lady always pretends to be disappointed.

SubCmdr

03-29-25, 05:54

If you can to into a venue and get a blow job for price lower than full service isn't that what matters? That's what matters to me.

I am documenting places like that in the User Blog area: Pattaya Gentleman's club as I locate them.

Of course, there are alway naughty massage places. I just consider the price of the massage the amount you need to pay for privacy.

Explorer8939

03-29-25, 08:51

It would be nice if you posted links or websites of credibility that would back up your claims. If you can't do that then your assumptions are inflated, exaggerated, created for your own misinformation. Post your findings and back your claims. If you can't do that then cut the crap!How many bar girls do you think there are in Pattaya?

Please don't say 24,999.

MongerHunger

03-29-25, 15:03

How many bar girls do you think there are in Pattaya?

Please don't say 24,999.Your estimate may be close if you included every working girl in Pattaya including the Freelancers, Online Girls, Escorts, Non Pros, Semi Pros, Part time WG's, Beach Road Gorls, Issan Visiting Girls, Foreign Working Girls, Bar Girls etc. Not only the Thai Bar Girls as you claim.

BeachDrone

03-29-25, 16:03

I think it is kind of weird mother fucks want to pay to eat pussy. But hey that's me. If you like it, then I love it. Doesn't mean I am going to do it.

It actually makes complete sense to me You yourself said it feels more intimate. Internally to her it is an intimacy barrier. Otherwise you wouldn't want to kiss. Paid sex is not about INTIMACY is about performing a sex act that results in mental / genital pleasure for the person paying for the service. My Soi 6 after hours bar girl wouldn't kiss. But I could fuck that ass. ROTFLMAO!

If you want to kiss, get a girlfriend!Agree with Sub. Kissing is far more intimate. I love it when they do it, but it seems to be rare. Although sometimes when we are fucking, a lady will start kissing deeply. Love that, too.

Newton York

03-29-25, 17:22

It was all planned! Youtube says so! Don't panic sell! At least not yet. It's tough I know, believe you me I know. Just hold on to all that red in your brokerage account, and try to ride this out. Remember the covid crash? If you rode that out, and bought in a little during the crash, you'd have made thousands or tens of thousands. I'm out of dry powder now to do anymore DCAing down, but if this crash and eventual recession is going to last 1 to 2 years, plenty of time to buy more AAPL, MSFT, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrNDJ-l8aUw

Revrez

03-29-25, 17:39

How many bar girls do you think there are in Pattaya?

Please don't say 24,999.24,999.99. I eyeballed it.

But in all seriousness it's not a black and white number like that.

MongerHunger

03-29-25, 19:38

Your estimate may be close if you included every working girl in Pattaya including the Freelancers, Online Girls, Escorts, Non Pros, Semi Pros, Part time WG's, Beach Road Gorls, Issan Visiting Girls, Foreign Working Girls, Bar Girls etc. Not only the Thai Bar Girls as you claim.Then again, with all that, would that even cum up to 25,000 WG's? Definitely not Thai Bar Girls.

The problem is that certain people like to inflate their ego like they know it all but they really don't know shit. It just takes away from actual real information that can be helpful. They are just seeking attention and validation from others because obviously they are not getting it from anywhere else. Pay attention to that.

Newton York

03-29-25, 20:10

"Everyone has 2 lives, the 2nd one begins when we realize we only have 1".

That realization can be any age for people, some find it around their 20's, most find it in their middle age, and the rest when they're super old. Don't be like me, and only realize it when you're super old.

Allover

03-29-25, 22:50

How many bar girls do you think there are in Pattaya?

Please don't say 24,999.Per Wikipedia there are 27,000 working girls in Pattaya. I'm guessing that includes girls that don't work in bars or clubs but girls that are still bought and paid for with gifts and Thai Gold. Ignorant people new to the scene provide these gifts (with minimal gifts received in return) but don't think these are working girls and they count as part of the 27,000.

I would say Explorer's estimate was pretty accurate.

SubCmdr

03-30-25, 04:55

Oh, one interesting thing about the girls; within an hour of the earthquake I sent out a "You ok"? Line and Instagram message to 5 of my most often repeated Freelancers and gogo girls. All of them replied within a few minutes with the news that they were fine but just startled by it. All of them asked how I was doing back. None of them took the opportunity to hit me up for any money or help to send to their family in the province, make up for missing work or pay for the family water buffalo's mental health treatment to deal with the trauma. Nor have they done so the next day. Which might surprise many here.

Just sayin'.This is information provided by an individual who actually spends an extensive amount of time in Thailand. Those who don't write the following:

Per Wikipedia there are 27,000 working girls in Pattaya. I'm guessing that includes girls that don't work in bars or clubs but girls that are still bought and paid for with gifts and Thai Gold. Ignorant people new to the scene provide these gifts (with minimal gifts received in return) but don't think these are working girls and they count as part of the 27,000.Just thinking out loud, those claiming to have knowledge of Thailand should not have to resort to Google to find out information on it. I know I don't. But I see many posting here often do.

ROTLMAO!

SubCmdr

03-30-25, 05:16

For the sake of argument.

I will stipulate to the following statement: There are 25000 Thai Girls in Thailand willing to prostitute themselves.

Per Wikipedia there are 27,000 working girls in Pattaya.

Your estimate may be close if you included every working girl in Pattaya including the Freelancers, Online Girls, Escorts, Non Pros, Semi Pros, Part time WG's, Beach Road Gorls, Issan Visiting Girls, Foreign Working Girls, Bar Girls etc. Not only the Thai Bar Girls as you claim.I like the way MongerHunger thinks!

I don't know the exact numbers. Furthermore I don't care. I will get into the WHY later.

You don't really know enough about Thailand to make any judgements do you?When people claim they have information on the REAL THAILAND but are having to google information on it, nor have they filed a trip report about having sex with a girl in Thailand for many (not months) years, well that brings the actual knowledge they have into question.

What UglyAzzMan thinks

White guys are preferred over Bleks.

Thai girls are not fond of BBCs and Indian s. It's just the way it is.I do not care a (compound profanity redacted) about prostitutes that do not accept me as their client

Why? Because with 25000 - 27000 prostitutes in Pattaya, 90% of them can say I will not fuck him for reasons. That still leaves me with 2500 - 2700 prostitutes that I can fuck. If I was to fuck a different prostitute everyday it would take me 6. 84 years to - 7. 39 years to fuck them all.

When I read things like this:

When Japanese and Korean guys are present, the rest of us have problems competing with them too.I realize that there are some really sad individuals posting here. Even if you want to call me new I am able to find exactly what I want without the so call REAL THAILAND knowledge others claim to have.

Mr. Newton York said it best - the objective is to nut. So if you are in a venue with the objective to hire a prostitute. Quick Reminder: All it takes is money. If you cannot find a prostitute to hire, then it's your own DAMN fault!

Mr Enternational

03-30-25, 06:53

Per Wikipedia there are 27,000 working girls in Pattaya. I'm guessing that includes girls that don't work in bars or clubs but girls that are still bought and paid for with gifts and Thai Gold.
I would say Explorer's estimate was pretty accurate.Are ladyboys included in this figure, because they are seen as she? The real accurate truth is that nobody knows how many hookers are in Pattaya.

Anybody saying any number is just a guess. You can estimate how many beans are in a jar. You can not estimate how many hookers are in Pattaya.

Newton York

03-30-25, 18:17

I was on Thaifriendly, just to see what the fuss was all about and I saw African girls there! What? Why are there black chicks in TF? Kinda weird no? Anyway, it's probably been said to death, but what has your experience been like on tf? Is it worth it? What's the point of it anyway when Thai chicks are literally all over Thailand, in night spots, massage joints, malls, etc.

Newton York

03-30-25, 19:06

I knew it! Watching some footage of the Bangkok quake, buildings and trains swaying. Infinity pools spilling water out, etc. It's pretty serious shit folks, but no one seems to be talking about it.

Man, it's always cool shit like this happening wherever I'm not. *sigh*.

You guys are so lucky. Great food, great weather, hot pussy, and cool quakes. While I'm stuck here in the dis-united states of meh-rica. *sigh* FML.

Not even Bangkok being declared a disaster zone can slowdown the Thai economy. And the joints with chicks was closed for just one day? So awesome. If it was here, everything be closed for weeks. Got to love Thailand. Just got to love it.

SubCmdr

03-30-25, 23:05

I was on Thaifriendly...What's the point of it anyway when Thai chicks are literally all over Thailand, in night spots, massage joints, malls, etc.What is the point of Thai Friendly?

You do not see the point of being able to look at pictures of a prostitute you like, then using your fingers to send her a message, moving the conversation to Line or WhatsApp and then having her deliver mouth, pussy and ass (rarely) to you within the hour. 024/007/365. Seriously Brother!? You have never ordered food from Grab to be delivered to your room while you are in Thailand because you did not feel like going out to restaurant when you were hungry?

Thai Friendly allows you to hire a prostitute without having to leave your room, buy a drink for yourself, buy a Lady Drink nor incur a bar fine. I will also add that my personal experiences on Thai Friendly have lead to the absolute best experiences I have had with prostitutes in Thailand. I am able to do all of this without knowing the REAL THAILAND. Proving beyond a doubt that having actual experience in Thailand is much more rewarding than writing about it from half a world away like many posters are doing. While others are claiming advanced knowledge of Thailand, I am getting my dick sucked and fucking without the need for Jedi Mind Tricks, Vulcan Mind Melds, Drinking with bar girls in my room, Having Bar Girls sit on my face, lapping at their pussy with my tongue while swallowing pussy juice mixed the the cum of Punters from around the world. Just straight fucking no kissin. Cause I know the deal and if I want to kiss I will get a girlfriend. ROTFLMAO!

Who is the mother fuck that said: the object is to nut? I have done this each and every time I have hired a prostitute from Thai Friendly.

Ballin like a Thai Friendly Pro!

Newton York

03-31-25, 01:00

Explorer8939

03-31-25, 02:15

Then again, with all that, would that even cum up to 25,000 WG's? Definitely not Thai Bar Girls.

The problem is that certain people like to inflate their ego like they know it all but they really don't know shit. It just takes away from actual real information that can be helpful. They are just seeking attention and validation from others because obviously they are not getting it from anywhere else. Pay attention to that.This post did not age well.

Anyway, here's another Facebook lady:

Banana Boi

03-31-25, 05:22

how are some of you able to bold your text here? Some of us have been on vBulletin boards for decades.

IYKYK

It's easy to learn.

color too

Font too

Explorer8939

03-31-25, 06:40

I often have a lady come over in the afternoon (or go the bars) and then have a lady for the evening. But. I've noticed that my evening activities are constrained by the daytime drinking. So, I am going to try alcohol free afternoons.

EihTooms

03-31-25, 13:13

I have to ask, how are some of you able to bold your text here? Are you typing your reports in notepad and then pasting? I tried, it don't work. And while typing in the text box here, it doesn't seem to give me any option to do that. Weirdly, I can put emojis in here 😀.When you see a post like this one where a portion of the text is in bold, just tap on the "Reply with quote" option in the lower right corner of the post and observe how that poster made it happen, what he typed in front of and behind that portion of the text to present it in bold..

The same with text in colors, underlined, in italics, whatever.

Banana Boi's previous post would be a good one to tap "Reply with quote" in order to see what he typed to make those things happen in his text.

Newton York

03-31-25, 17:01

When you see a post like this one where a portion of the text is in bold, just tap on the "Reply with quote" option in the lower right corner of the post and observe how that poster made it happen, what he typed in front of and behind that portion of the text to present it in bold..

The same with text in colors, underlined, in italics, whatever.

Banana Boi's previous post would be a good one to tap "Reply with quote" in order to see what he typed to make those things happen in his text.Hey, I did it, thanks Eihtooms!.
Let me try with a longer sentence : Earthquake!

Oh man, now I can bold text, I'm gonna go crazy up in here!

Explorer8939

04-01-25, 08:49

Newton York

04-02-25, 02:36

I don't know man, again, remember Michael Douglas. That's the only other downside. And for a minute there I thought you meant the boyfriend lost control and punched you in the arm.

Bolding text!

SubCmdr

04-02-25, 04:37

The real accurate truth is that nobody knows how many hookers are in Pattaya. Anybody saying any number is just a guess. You can not estimate how many hookers are in Pattaya.Curious that you should say that because your statement is spot on!

Per Wikipedia there are 27,000 working girls in Pattaya.I used google to find the Wikipedia info:

Although prostitution in Thailand*is illegal, there are estimated to be 27,000 prostitutes working in Pattaya, many in Walking Streethttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_Street, _Pattaya.

The Wikipedia info references this article:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180111164241/http://travelwireasia.com/2017/08/sex-tourism-pattaya-party/

This article was published on 31 Augest 2017. So the information if it is valid is nearly seven years old. But this article does not say where the author got the original number. So, individuals are quoting a number that was originally a guess at worst or where the author did not provide a source at best from seven years ago.

Not my definition of a fact!

UglyAzzMan

04-02-25, 08:54

One of the downsides of licking Thai pussy. Some of them have boyfriends who won't do it, so when it happens, they lose control.

If any of you geniuses can figure out how to access the photo geotag, you'll see that it was taken in Pattaya. You can try that with our Punjabi friend's photos and you'll probably find they were taken on a website somewhere.There's a Palace agogo girl that is Hot who I know would let me Kiss anywhere however much I want.

Yet I just don't. I really don't want to live with Herpes or Hepatitis for my 30 years left of life.

Explorer8939

04-02-25, 14:03

The guestimate I made about the number of working ladies in Pattaya has been debated so many times that I am tempted to change the subject, maybe to the question of whether prostitution is legal in Thailand.

Okay, time to go, I've got a lady coming in a few minutes.

SubCmdr

04-02-25, 21:04

The REAL Thailand is the one I live in. I don't need to travel all over the country in order to understand it. I've been posted up here for more than a minute.

One of the things I've learned living in asia, which I must admit is fantastic, is the ability to compartmentalize.Being posted up in Pattaya, Thailand (REAL?) I have learned the same things. Despite being called new and any number of things by individuals posting from halfway around the world, I appreciate reading the honest perspective of individuals who actually know what time it is.

Asian men and Asian women compartmentalize their lives. True that!

For many men and women they have a spouse they dearly love, would not leave, and will take care of, however they may have someone or many someone's that they screw.We are advised of this from many posters when it comes to statements like:

all girls in Pattaya are bar girls

all girls in Pattaya have husbands and boyfriends

all girls have the same objectives and display only one type of personality

The two are completely mutually exclusive.This should help explain the No kissing policy some Thai Girls have with clients.

More than anything, I like making out with the chick. That I like a lot, in some weird way I feel like it's more intimate. It used to strike me as weird whenever I meet working girls who'd blow me, but wouldn't kiss me on the lips with tongue. More than a few have said they only do that with their boyfriends. And I'm thinking to myself, well ain't that something? But you're blowing me, and we're going to be fucking. I'm going to literally have my dick in your pussy, and only your boyfriend gets to make out with you? Me thinks that's kinda weird.No kissing provides a intimacy barrier. Respect it and enjoy getting your dick sucked and fucking the pussy.

If you want to kiss, get a girlfriend!

For many Asian folks there is a don't ask don't tell policy.This aligns with my experiences in Pattaya.

One thing we westerners never understand is that it is quite often the space you give each other in a relationship that makes it last.I see examples of this posted so much in the Thailand threads it actually gets extremely repetitive and boring.

And the 27,000 includes the gik you claim to have.Prime example of a westerner that does not get it. The assumption that all girls in Pattaya, Thailand (REAL or NOT?) are bar girls. That there is something wrong with having anything other than a western style relationship. Westerners drag their ways halfway around the country and that narrow minded thinking simply does not serve them well here in Thailand and other countries in Asia.

For many here that are married and still screw others, the extracurricular activities amount to nothing more than riding a roller coaster.Yes, we have married people posting here talking about the relationships of others, yet seem not to be able to apply the reasoning and insights they share with us when looking at their own situation. How do they know their wife's are not straight getting there backs blown out while they are not their golf trips to Thailand cheating on their wives with prostitutes before and after they head out to the course during their entire trip? Individuals who point fingers better remember that three point back at themselves. ROTFLMAO!

I really believe we westerners have the wrong expectation of relationships.Respect!

All I can say is you wrote a drop the bat and watch walk off grand slam Mr. Goatscrot!

SubCmdr

04-03-25, 02:21

I find it interesting that so call called men who both claim to live here and who also live half way around the world and visit infrequently parrot the same feminist western values that they claim causes them to leave their country of origins in order to be International Tricks.

They make comments about the age of farang visitors. They make comments about the appearance of the girls that go with those old, ugly, fat farangs that dress poorly. Yet, I find the aspect that there is a Thai girl for every farang that visits Thailand to be one the endearing qualities about the place since I have been posted up here. Young nerdy guys, making bank as digital nomads that could not pull a solid 8 in his own country having one all over him in this one.

All the time dude, that's what I'm sayin, Thailand is Paradise baby! You can be as old and as ugly as Danny Devito and still somehow get some poon. All you have to be is farang. Doesn't matter if you have old, leathery, wrinkly skin and look like shit. It's all good. It's a miracle, hallelujah! Thank Lucifer's balls for South East Asia.This is true!

And how many of these girls are AZZ hole ugly. LOL. Hahaha.Why do you care if you are not fucking them? I know I don't. As a REAL man in Thailand I am happy for my fellow man because they are happy. They have found a girl that meets the requirements that THEY want. They are not caught up in the fuck shit that causes a person to write something like this:

How many times do you see some lady post a photo on Facebook showing her and her Farang boyfriend. And the guy looks to be 80?Once again, I have to ask out loud, who gives a fuck if you are not fucking? Who knows, maybe the OP is fucking her and he is pissed he is not on facebook as the boyfriend! The most likely reason that this occurs is because the man in the photo is paying by the month. And the man hating on the photo is paying by the fuck.

I have a friend, that thinks Thailand is too transactional. He lives in another country and supports his girlfriend completely. ROTFLMAO! Ok! I happen to like the transactional nature of relationships in Thailand. Face it all relationships are transactional. It is only the nature of the transaction that changes.

We have mother fucks posting up in here that claim to fly all around the world and get free pussy. They they have to do nothing other than get off the plane, Pull out their (insert size and color here) dick and girls immediately drop their panties and get down on their knees. I call straight male bovine excrement on that. They are giving up something even if is not money, They are giving up their time (my most valuable assets) or emotional energy. So, it is not completely free.

Negotiating the nature of the relationship up front defines the relationship and places limits on the requirements and expectations within that relationship. Personally I like that!

So when I read comments like this:

If any of you read this complete manifesto by this lunatic, you are as crazy as he is.No one is required to read anyone else posts. In fact, if a individual has a problem with the content of the post of another they can click on the Report Post button or learn how to use the ignore function that is provided by the ISG Forum.

And keep buying gold for your ex-bargirl. I'm sure she'll buy you an occasional gold gift worth 2% of what you bought her you ignorant (profanity redacted).I cannot help but wonder out loud what happened in the life of the OP to have such hate for the success of another mans relationship when he neither needs to spend the money to buy the gold or fuck the girl in question.

Which leads me to the following question:

Does anyone else out there get a 2% rebate on the money they spend on their liked and loved ones?

If I was to receive a pair of New Balance shoes (gifted to me by a loved or liked one) out of the the New Balance store in Central at 4500  THB, if I get back 2% of what I give, how much was it that I gave? (This is an exercise left for the reader).

ROTFLMAO!

Explorer8939

04-03-25, 02:54

Last night, I paid a 500 baht bar fine for a lady so she could come to the condo for drinks. When she showed up, she was drinking a Sangsom shot in a big glass of ice water, ie what bargirls drink in the bar. Even less desirable, she started giving me a handjob within 5 minutes. This meant she wanted a quick fuck so she could leave and hit Walking Street for freelancing (because I had paid her bar fine).

This normally would not be okay, but I went with the flow. She was gone by 10 pm, and I had to throw the sheets in the washing machine.

But, last night, I had business to do in the USA (it's a 12 hour time difference) and I got it done after 6 month of fails.

So, the night was not a total fail. Plus, I got laid.

Newton York

04-03-25, 03:04

Who knows when Bangkok will ever be hit another earthquake ever again? It's just like the boxing day tsunami. I keep missing out on all this awesome shit. It's a once in a lifetime experience and I wasn't there to participate in Bangkok's greatest earthquake event. You guys are lucky.

Newton York

04-03-25, 03:13

Some idiot British guy got himself killed in a Muay Thai fight. Jeezum crow. What an idiot, thinking he's some tough guy farang, going up against real Thai fighters that kicked him so hard in the ribs, it killed him. Ha!

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/2025/04/01/ifma-tightens-muaythai-rules-after-british-fighters-death-in-samui/

All that being said though, he still got to die in Thailand. Granted, it must've been a painful and agonizing end, but he knows he took his last breath in Thailand, Koh Samui no less. That's what counts.

If you're going to die, can't think of a better place than Koh Samui. And if he was smart, he woulda banged at least 2 chicks a day for the entire time he was in Thailand, otherwise, what's the point?

But the weird thing is there's a farang in the MuayThai Federation. What? How can that be? Well, that explains why the British guy got killed. You got to have Thai people, to oversee a Thai sport, just saying. Well, that's another thing to put on my bucket list. I want to see a live muay Thai fight.

There's one in one of them bars in Patpong ain't it? I'll make it back there, even if it kills me.

Shikhar10

04-03-25, 16:19

No kissing provides a intimacy barrier. Respect it and enjoy getting your dick sucked and fucking the pussy.

If you want to kiss, get a girlfriend!If I could get a girlfriend, I would not be flying thousands of miles to blow my money on prostitutes.

If I just wanted my dick tickled, I would have bought a fleshlight.

I would not say this to a lady but I starve for intimacy and attention. For me, half the experience is supposedly intimate activities like kissing, holding hands, pretend-playing boyfriend-girlfriend and whatnot.

There is no actual intimacy in said activities when someone is doing it with you for money. That is a blessing in disguise IMO.

UglyAzzMan

04-04-25, 04:10

Explorer8939

04-04-25, 06:58

https://aseannow.us12.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1080ef7ae50b8923f9ea4d547&id=97826c0061&e=e735d22b9c

SubCmdr is unaware of the regular occurrence of suicide attempts in Pattaya.

I don't know if this guy was despondent for money or girlfriend problems, or both. Or maybe just mentally ill.

Explorer8939

04-04-25, 23:57

I had a lady over last night who I have known for many years.

If she has a Thai boyfriend and / or lots of Farang customers, her performance is average and uninspired.

If she is single with few customers, she is insatiable. She doesn't care if you cum, she doesn't want you to stop. You have to throw her out of bed to end a session.

Reminds me of my last Farang girlfriend.

SubCmdr

04-05-25, 02:21

Some of you mother fucks need me more sensitive to mental illness. It is not something to joke about or to uses to settle your petty disputes about the number of Prostitutes in Pattaya. It's serious.

Check this article out:

Average of 5,000 Thais die by suicide each year

https://www.nationthailand.com/health-wellness/40047482

I am sensitive to this issue because I have mental illness.

They say I'm bipolar so indecisive; So muthafuckin' what I know some bitches who like it - By The Way, Young Jezzy.Maybe that is why there is a squad of individuals up in here cheering for my demise.

you may wind up joining the prestigious Pattaya Flying Club (google it you dumb compound profanity redacted).

https://aseannow.us12.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1080ef7ae50b8923f9ea4d547&id=97826c0061&e=e735d22b9c
SubCmdr is unaware of the regular occurrence of suicide attempts in Pattaya. I don't know if this guy was despondent for money or girlfriend problems, or both. Or maybe just mentally ill.

Newton York

04-05-25, 04:47

I empathize and will always feel nothing but respect and love for all Thai people. Especially since Thai chicks have given me some of the best fucks I've ever had. I credit Thailand and Thai chicks as the main reason I'm still alive. It's the one thing I'm still keeping myself alive for, that one last chance to get back to Thailand.

On the other hand, when a farang tries to off himself or gets hurt, it's fucking hilarious! Ha! I love it! The latest being the idiot that got killed in a bike accident in Koh Samui (wear a helmet *******!) and the moron that muay Thaied himself to death by getting repeatedly kicked in the ribs. I never get tired of reading about this, especially when I need a good laugh. Look, my life is miserable enough as it is, the only way to get through the day is to know that there are others who suffer more than me. Hey, I didn't make the rules. That's just the way the world is. It's a cruel, sadistic, fucked up, messed up world.

Better we all die, I say bring along World War III now. Let's get this over with.

Newton York

04-06-25, 05:54

Was just watching a youtube video from a fat, Danny Devito retiree type living in Pattaya, and he was talking about how bar girls can end up scamming you. Now, to be fair, it's not so much scamming as it is more like the way the girl has been programmed to survive. She'll do whatever is necessary to make more Baht. And interestingly enough, and let me reiterate I've never given the chick the money, she's never out right asked me for more money, but it was well in the process. And for me it wasn't bar girls, it was massage chicks, and once you start to see the chick a 3rd of fourth time, she's clued into the simple fact that you have a thing for her, and she'll start the process.

In the example I encountered, she started by showing me photos of her family, her sick mom in the hospital, etc. Where she currently lives. I just ran out of time and had to leave the country, but as far as she knew, I was going to be around for months cause I always say that. (Never tell the chicks you're here for just a few days or weeks. Always say you're here working) Anyway, I bet dollars to doughnuts had I seen her again, especially out of the joint, and away from mamasans grasp, she woulda asked me for money beyond services provided.

Another chick from another massage joint, by the 3rd session, she was already suggesting that she cook for me at my place. She really wanted to see me outside of the joint, cause obviously they make more money away from the owner of the place.

Now, understand. This ain't no scam, but just survival mechanisms the girls have developed because of their situation. In the same way, that you'd lie to them about your name, job, etc. You'd be an idiot to tell them your real name and actual country of origin. That's the fantasy fellas, we can be whatever we want to be to these girls, so why not imagine whatever the hell you want.

When I was there the last time, I told the girls I was just there to work. I'm in 'computers'. Going to be around for months. And that's that. I picked a random name, and kept using that fake name so it was easier to remember.

Point is, don't give the chicks more money than for services rendered. You want to tip them for great service, sure. But if they came up with the whole dead buffalo thing, or sick relative at the village thing. Well, sadly that should be your last time seeing her. Cause there's no escaping it now. The more you see her, the more she'll try to extract from you. Cause in the end, you are money to her. And she's better off finding a more profitable mark. You'd be wasting her time.

It's a cutthroat world out there, and they need all the help they can get from us, so it's ironic, but the best thing you can do for them, especially if you don't want to be suckered into giving them more money, is to actually leave them.

Explorer8939

04-06-25, 06:40

I had a lady show me photos of her son hospitalized after a motorcycle accident, she was obviously hoping for a "donation".

Next year, she sent me photos of her son hospitalized after a motorcycle accident. She obviously has forgotten her earlier scam attempt.

Explorer8939

04-06-25, 06:42

I had a bargirl over for drinks, and spent the time discussing her Farang customers, rating them by how much money each sent her.

Of course, she blew all the money on a Thai man.

UglyAzzMan

04-06-25, 11:51

Allover

04-06-25, 19:24

Newton York

04-06-25, 22:00

Explorer8939

04-07-25, 01:28

Last night, I had a lady do Cowgirl for me. She basically squatted on my dick and pumped away.

The problem is if the lady puts her weight on me, her pussy gets compressed and I don't feel anything.

If I weren't so sleepy, I would have asked to change position, but instead I asked her to stop, and fell asleep.

Explorer8939

04-07-25, 04:50

I had a lady over yesterday who told me about one of her best customers, a guy who comes to Pattaya a lot. He's very possessive, though, and is suspicious of any of her friends or her ex-Thai boyfriend. He does tolerate her son, and tries to talk to him on the phone. But the son doesn't understand English.

Which is good, because he's the lady's Thai boyfriend, not her son.

BionicMan

04-07-25, 21:06

Welp, there goes Hooters. Bankrupt. Even Hooters is out of business. If an establishment with a bunch of big titty chicks serving chicken wings can go out of business, there's no hope for anyone anymore. Sign of the times. The END times!

Actually, I'm so old, I honestly can't remember if I ever went to a Hooters. I really can't. I might have gone to one in LA like 20 years ago, but I just don't remember. Could be a false memory or even a dream. Look, if the Hooters in Bangkok or Pattaya or wherever stays open, I'll be sure to go next time. IF there's a next time.Big tittles is not a big deal in Thailand, and don't represent much of an attraction to go and buy food there. Maybe next to hooter you got a bar with girls and tits you can feel fir a fraction of a nachos loaded dish. The Hooter model can work only in prude America. I haven't seen much of their business as franchise abroad, for a reason.

Feel sorry (maybe) fir the guy who pad for the licence. Poor business skills, including putting one in soi Nana!

Newton York

04-08-25, 04:04

The timing is kinda brilliant. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. You got to laugh, otherwise you'd cry. I was seriously thinking about cashing out some of the money I had in my brokerage account, maybe to help me cover for a years expenses, while I resign from my shitty, shitty job. Take the time to visit Thailand, at least twice, just to get my fuck on and decompress, find my sanity again. I swear fellas, there was 1 weekend, I was this close to sending a resignation email. Then maybe 1 year from now, or even 2, I'd try to look for another job again.

Now, I'm well and truly trapped. Every single one of my positions in my account is red, not just red, but deep red. If I sold any of it, I'd lose thousands. And I barely have any cash left. Of course it had to happen now. Just as I was about to finally set myself free. You fuckers that believe in god, maybe explain to me his sick sense of humor. Or better yet, just ask him to fucking kill me already. I hate being alive. FML.

Explorer8939

04-08-25, 15:28

Explorer8939

04-08-25, 15:32

Trevor2522

04-08-25, 17:48

Last time (2012?) I just walked up from arrivals level to departures and snagged a friendly taxi dropping off -- to take me straight to Pattaya. Don't know if they still allow that; certainly frowned upon as they want arrivals to take their designated transport from arrivals downstairs.

"Services like Pattaya Transfer, Pattaya Express, and Thai Taxis offer professional drivers, upfront pricing, and 24/7 availability. Booking in advance through their websites or apps provides an stress-free start to your trip, with your driver waiting for you at the airport with your name on a sign. " (Brave AI).

Any experience or tips, guys? Thanks.

Mr Enternational

04-08-25, 18:21

Last time (2012?) I just walked up from arrivals level to departures and snagged a friendly taxi dropping off -- to take me straight to Pattaya. Don't know if they still allow that; Nothing has changed. Still 1000 baht.

NRandom940

04-08-25, 20:39

I had a civvie over tonight. After a lot of drinking, we hit the bed, and after some fucking, I realized I couldn't cum. She didn't take it well. Her complaint was she lived in a single room with her Thai boyfriend and kids, and wouldn't be able to fuck for a long time. So she wanted to fuck more.

If I wanted to have a fuck marathon, I would stay in the US and just have a girlfriend.Tell us the story of how you met a civvies.

BTW, everyone who likes to idolize their "Thai boyfriends" as if they're the true masters of the show should read this. Imagine you had a GF who was fucking other dudes every time they paid her.

ElMexicant

04-08-25, 21:57

SubCmdr

04-09-25, 01:58

Tell us the story of how you met a civvies.BTW, everyone who likes to idolize their "Thai boyfriends" as if they're the true masters of the show should read this. Imagine you had a GF who was fucking other dudes every time they paid her.Actually, if you have a history of reading the posts of the OP there are not civvies. According to this OP every girl in a Pattaya is a prostitute.

That has not been my experience. I have had plenty of girls that tell me they are not prostitutes. In other words they are not going to fuck me for money. The are demanding something much more valuable. That I spend time with them. That is a bad deal for me.

There are about 25,000 bar girls in Pattaya, and maybe 250,000 female residents. Having said that, a considerable number of civvie ladies go with paying customers from time to time. And don't forget the army of massage ladies.
I had a lady over last night who started out as a mia noi for a Thai man. She eventually found out that she the #14 mia noi for the guy, and one of other ladies in the harem eventually dispensed with the other ladies. After she lost her "boyfriend" she went into the bar girl business.

As for the blow job bars, there aren't as many pure BJ bars as there used to be. Gentlemen's clubs have put a dent in that industry sector.

Trevor2522

04-09-25, 11:18

Nothing has changed. Still 1000 baht.฿1,000 Bangkok Airport - Pattaya (1 person). Sounds a bit more assuring than a possibly-rattletrap, unknown taximeter from departures level. Other similar outfits charge B1,200. https://siamtaxiservice.com/

Explorer8939

04-09-25, 13:37

Tell us the story of how you met a civvies.

BTW, everyone who likes to idolize their "Thai boyfriends" as if they're the true masters of the show should read this. Imagine you had a GF who was fucking other dudes every time they paid her.This civvie was a neighbor of a bargirl who I knew. She doesn't work, so she comes to my condo about once a week to make some cash.

Before COVID, she was a bargirl, and snagged a rich Farang who wanted to marry her. But when he was back home, she met a Thai man, and got pregnant. That ended her bargirl career and the rich Farang.

She can put away large amounts of tequila, though.

Mr Enternational

04-09-25, 14:49

฿1,000 Bangkok Airport - Pattaya (1 person). Sounds a bit more assuring than a possibly-rattletrap, unknown taximeter from departures level. Other similar outfits charge B1,200. https://siamtaxiservice.com/I said 1000 for a taxi from departure level. In 20 years of doing that I have never had any rattletraps, whatever those may be.

Mr Enternational

04-09-25, 14:52

This civvie was a neighbor of a bargirl who I knew. She doesn't work, so she comes to my condo about once a week to make some cash.What the fuck? If she is coming to your house to fuck you for money then how is she a civvie? She is a prostitute like all the other prostitutes going to fuck people for money. Just because she also works in a factory or restaurant does not mean she is not a prostitute if she is coming over to fuck for money.

NRandom940

04-09-25, 15:02

฿1,000 Bangkok Airport - Pattaya (1 person). Sounds a bit more assuring than a possibly-rattletrap, unknown taximeter from departures level. Other similar outfits charge B1,200. https://siamtaxiservice.com/They need to make a service with female drivers that give you handjob on the drive haha.

I used a female taxi service once but didn't ask for extra. I honestly don't know if the driver would have appreciated it and agreed or if she would have kicked me out of the car and reported me to her boss.

ElMexicant

04-09-25, 20:46

There's a Palace agogo girl that is Hot who I know would let me Kiss anywhere however much I want.

Yet I just don't. I really don't want to live with Herpes or Hepatitis for my 30 years left of life.There is a 20 K basket of ping pong balls at Palace now. I knocked off the 3000,2000, and 1000 in one visit. Actually, just handed the 1000 basket to a model dancing on stage while I walked off with another girl after the barfine. It was my way of saying "added to the list. " Mommysan pointed to me the new huge 20 K basket just recently. I just shook my head. They keep trying. Pay more money for the same old same old. Foolie gold. 555.

Explorer8939

04-09-25, 23:21

What the fuck? If she is coming to your house to fuck you for money then how is she a civvie? She is a prostitute like all the other prostitutes going to fuck people for money. Just because she also works in a factory or restaurant does not mean she is not a prostitute if she is coming over to fuck for money.I am so sorry for using the term "civvie" in a manner that confused you.

I meant civvie in the sense that she doesn't work bar, or a massage shop, and isn't a freelancer.

Newton York

04-10-25, 01:41

They need to make a service with female drivers that give you handjob on the drive haha.

I used a female taxi service once but didn't ask for extra. I honestly don't know if the driver would have appreciated it and agreed or if she would have kicked me out of the car and reported me to her boss.I could not agree more. If someone came up with that idea, it could be a big hit. Imagine an airport taxi service that'll bring you to your hotel, but on the way there, give you a handy. Like it'll be a van or suv, all fancy and stuff. And the driver can be whoever, but you sit in the back with the chicks or chicks, and then you get blown or you to get fuck. Wasn't there something like this from Devils Den Pattaya many years ago? I recall the chicks weren't very attractive though, but reasonably wild.

But yes, a sex taxi with a babe to the city from the airport service would be awesome!

ElMexicant

04-10-25, 22:23

I am so sorry for using the term "civvie" in a manner that confused you.

I meant civvie in the sense that she doesn't work bar, or a massage shop, and isn't a freelancer.Took money but isn't a freelancer. 555. Maybe it's time for a doctor's visit. LOL.

ElMexicant

04-10-25, 22:28

Explorer8939

04-11-25, 02:34

Songkran is coming to Pattaya. Usually, I flee Thailand for Songkran. When I do stay, I always have an unpleasant surprise near drowning in ice water.

I am going to stay in my condo for the duration. Maybe a walk to a nearby 7/11 will be safe. Its 10+ days of icy hell, so I have to stock up on food and drink.

SubCmdr

04-11-25, 13:56

I will start by saying you mother fucks (including myself) are International Tricks. You hire prostitutes. You pay them to provide social / sexual services. The prostitutes are there to get paid. As long as you do not abuse them, it's just a job. It does not matter if you are high end or low end in your spending habits. All the money you spend that you do not hand to your prostitute is for yourself. All International Tricks (including myself) need to keep that in mind and not practice self delusion.

I see posts from individuals operating at the low end of the market. They say that is the way to do it. I see people operating at the high end of the market saying that is the way to do it. I operate at market prices. Is my way the way to do it? Honestly, I don't know. What I do know is that I have more access to prostitutes I find attractive than I have the time, inclination or money to fuck.

There is no one way, or best way to get pussy. When you start writing posts that indicate your way is the only way, you are engaged in Self Delusion.

I'm crazy and even I don't do that!

Explorer8939

04-12-25, 02:07

Many guys go to Pattaya looking for a girlfriend. This inevitably leads of a big sad and an empty bank account.

I know many bargirls on the prowl for lonely guys, and when they are drunk in my condo, they often brag about how much money they take off a guy, or tell stories about the gullibility of their victims.

The flip side of the equation is when a Farang fools a bargirl. They start with promises of riches, or a house, when recede into the future as the Farang thinks he has the lady snagged. I often describe bargirls like they are masterminds in manipulating customers, but it's not intelligence, it's experience. So, they themselves can be manipulated by Farang customers.

I have been around the ladies long enough for them to know I'm not a prospect for long term gain. So, the only manipulation from them is trying to get a trip somewhere. Many want to travel for three or four days, that's how long they can go before their Thai boyfriend or family start complaining.

Anyway, don't go looking for love in Pattaya.

Newton York

04-12-25, 05:32

Yes. We each have our own standards and thresholds of what we think is acceptable payment for services rendered. If you can afford more, sure why not. If you like to pay less, and it's available, absolutely go for it. In my decades of hobbying in a number of countries around the world, when the world was cheaper anyway, I've never paid more than 500 bucks, and never less than 50 bucks. And the more costly ones were multi hour bookings.

But considering I haven't hobbied in a little while, and how expensive life has become, I suspect, if I ever get to hobby again, it's going to cost me.

Newton York

04-12-25, 05:50

This forum is as close to Thailand as I'll ever be able to get these days, and I thank Satan for this place. I think I woulda unlifed myself months ago if I didn't get to type shit in here. I don't get to express myself at work, most of my family is gone and all my friends are long dead. I don't know what I'm living for anymore. It's literally only Thailand. The Thailand I remember, combined with the perfect version I know is waiting for me when I get to go back. I had a hard time breathing today, just after I bent down to pick something up. I thought I was having a heart attack and you know what? I was ok with it. Some nights I'd wake up from not being able to breathe. And I'd still be ok with it. Every night now, I just say to myself, I'm ready. I'm good to call it a life.

But is it just Thailand making me hold on? Could I even survive a few nights of debauchery with sidegra and alcohol in my system? It'd be the ultimate irony if I finally made it back to Thailand and died the first night there. But what a night it would be. And I'd be dead in Thailand. That's all that matters.

You read countless stories of farangs dying in Thailand for one reason or other, but no one ever notes how happy they were when they died. Sure, maybe they got thrown off a building, or drowned, or got killed in a car accident while riding on a bike without a helmet, but the point is, they were happy up until the moment they died.

Think about if folks. Wouldn't you rather be happy until you died? You guys have no idea how lucky your are. You're killing time here, bitching and moaning cause you've lost sight of how lucky you are to be in Thailand. Go out there and live. Enjoy life fellas. Get your groove on. Live for those of us that can't.

Look at this 21 year old moron, died of an overdose. But I bet he was happy right up to that point. While I'm miserable all the time. What I wouldn't give to be a 21 year old to die in Thailand from a drug overdose. Now, that's paradise

https://thethaiger.com/news/pattaya/british-fighters-life-cut-short-by-drug-cocktail-in-pattaya-inquest

SubCmdr

04-12-25, 07:07

Many guys go to Pattaya looking for a girlfriend. This inevitably leads of a big sad and an empty bank account.Can you back this up with any empirical evidence? Or is this like your estimate of the number of prostitutes in Pattaya?

I know many bargirls on the prowl for lonely guys, and when they are drunk in my condo, they often brag about how much money they take off a guy, or tell stories about the gullibility of their victims.I can show you what a victim looks like. Just meet me in person. Guys who send money are not victims. No one is forcing them to send money. They can stop at any time. Reading your posts I often feel like a am victim. A victim of a time bandit.

The flip side of the equation is when a Farang fools a bargirl. They start with promises of riches, or a house, when recede into the future as the Farang thinks he has the lady snagged.It called the GAME for a reason. Easy to see when you don't have bar girls sitting on your face 024/007/365.

I often describe bargirls like they are masterminds in manipulating customers, but it's not intelligence, it's experience. So, they themselves can be manipulated by Farang customers.Just the game. Get used to it.

I have been around the ladies long enough for them to know I'm not a prospect for long term gain. So, the only manipulation from them is trying to get a trip somewhere. Many want to travel for three or four days, that's how long they can go before their Thai boyfriend or family start complaining.Roll the applause track.

Anyway, don't go looking for love in Pattaya.I do believe this is the ONLY thing I have read that you have written that I agree with.

Hey I switched up. Buying silver not gold. With gold at 3200 USD / ounce. One 2 Baht Chain is 3000 USD / Not about the money. As some of my individual pieces are up over 50% since I bought them. Any shirts lost? If so I can buy new ones. In fact that is what I have done. I stopped by my tailor for some custom made Pajamas that I can were outside and matching shirt and shorts for the Songkran Festival. So much for worries about my stack. Back to GOLD. It is about my neck. Someone will break / cut yo neck for that kind of money. So I am following the advice of the Wu-Tang Clan. Protect yo neck!

Not trading much. Not many opportunities. I do not like to short. I'm enjoying my stack. Still got my flow (not dependent upon the stock market). Fucking for 1000 - 1500 THB (26.30 - 39.45). I just don't give a fuck what other mother fucks think of my price point. Because if you cannot afford that, you have no reason to get on the plane to do International Trickin. You show me a place with infrastructure in place like Pattaya where you can hire girls to be your prostitute at that price point. If you want to pay more, far be it from me to be critical of having a bigger stack than I do and being willing to spend it.

I heard they marked down the price of the entry level Harley to under 10,000 USD. I'm going to see if the tariffs will fuck me up or will I be able to get one of those bitches for under ten grand. If so, soon I'll be able to ask: Shorty wanna ride wit me?

ROTFLMAO!

SubCmdr

04-12-25, 12:16

Many posters have problems with Bar Fines in Pattaya. But are they really a problem that gets in the way of enjoying the services of a prostitute you wish to hire or just another expense that some simply do not want to incur? Some even claim they are illegal? But are they?

There are no bar fines in Sosua. They call it PIMPING, and PIMPING IS ILLEGAL!But this is Thailand is it not. How can someone who has never visited Thailand speak on the issue. They are many ISG posters who claim to have more knowledge about Thailand and Pattaya.

Is a Bar Fine illegal in Thailand? Are the owners of the venues that charge Bar Fines Pimps?

Here is something that a individual who has NEVER actually been to Thailand would not understand about a Bar Fine. Our posters from the Dis-United States of America should have understanding as I break down into simple terms for those living outside of Thailand who have never actually visited here. A Bar Fine is actually like a Tariff. It is paid by the girl who has the contract agreement with the venue and then passed onto you. You can ask a girl to leave the bar and not even be in the bar. She will tell you that her that the Bar Fine is XXXX THB and her price is XXXX THB. You will pay one all inclusive price when she arrives at your place once she gets the service. She has to trust you to do this as SHE actually pays the Bar Fine and is counting your the customer to reimburse her. This is the same way that Tariffs work. Something that I might add is really irritating individuals from the future 51st State of the Dis-United States of America.

I am interested to hear from people who have been to both Sosua and Pattaya especially. Because the OP who wrote the above statement has never been to Thailand, Cockbang or Pattaya. Is a Bar Fine illegal in Thailand? Are the owners of the venues that charge Bar Fines Pimps?

Oakie

04-12-25, 13:25

Mr Enternational

04-12-25, 15:17

Girls tell me they want to put that powder all over my skin. I said, I am already white as can be. That's why I wear sunblock. They say it is to protect me from Casper the Ghost and his buddies. Revelations.They know how to blend in with the ghosts the same as foreign mongers say to blend in with the locals.

Mr Enternational

04-12-25, 15:54

I am so sorry for using the term "civvie" in a manner that confused you.

I meant civvie in the sense that she doesn't work bar, or a massage shop, and isn't a freelancer.Dude I just fucked a chick the other day for money who works at a desk in a government office. She was not with me as a civvie; she was with me as a hooker. A prostitute by any other name is still selling pussy.

ElMexicant

04-12-25, 21:53

Newton York

04-14-25, 01:02

I think I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that my brokerage account is constantly in the red now, and may never recover. Sure, I've lost 20 to 30 percent of value in a matter of days, and I'm miserable at my job. Groceries are thru the roof. But it's only going to get worse, so we might as well buckle up. This is just the beginning of how shitty things are going to be. I say let's bring on WW3!

Bring on the nukes baby!

Explorer8939

04-14-25, 01:15

Dude I just fucked a chick the other day for money who works at a desk in a government office. She was not with me as a civvie; she was with me as a hooker. A prostitute by any other name is still selling pussy.Please give us a better distinguishing term for a lady with a day job who doesn't walk the streets but hooks up with the occasional customer.

SubCmdr

04-14-25, 16:54

Please give us a better distinguishing term for a lady with a day job who doesn't walk the streets but hooks up with the occasional customer.I have always called them Under-the-Rador (UTR) or Non-Pro. A regular girl will not take money for sex.

Banana Boi

04-14-25, 18:31

I remember when I first started going to Thermae. It was supposedly a bar full of non-pros. That's what guys called it. I thought cool I can bang some girls who aren't every day working girls. Then I go a few nights in a row. Wait. These same non-pros are there every night! If you talk to them they will all say they have day jobs but work at Thermae at night. Then you see them banging 3 customers in quick succession over a night. Then I think to myself these non-pros are banging more guys daily than my "pro" Pattaya gogo girl who usually takes 1 guy LT per day, if they're lucky.

I agree a non pro would be an office worker who on occasion sells herself for money but we can't clump them all into a single basket.

A civilian on the other hand is a girl who imo NEVER takes money for sex and would be insulted if you paid them. Imagine me picking up a civilian girl at a bar in my home country, banging her, and then offer her money for that? I'd likely get smacked across the face. Now I can buy her a "gift" and she'd take it in a second.

Mr Enternational

04-14-25, 21:14

Please give us a better distinguishing term for a lady with a day job who doesn't walk the streets but hooks up with the occasional customer.Why does it matter if she is not coming to you for the purposes of the day job? The day job literally has nothing to do with nothing. We could go on ad infinitum with this. What should we call a lady who cooks fish on Tuesdays, but goes to fuck guys for money 3 nights per week? A lady whose favorite color is brown, but goes to fuck guys for money 6 days per month? A lady whose uncle is a ballet dancer, but she does 3 Short Times from Thai Friendly everyday? The only relevant thing is her fucking for money.

Explorer8939

04-15-25, 02:27

Last night, I had a bargirl come to my condo (2000 baht). She had a nice face, but a belly. So when it came time for sex, I had her give me a BJ, she gave a long sloppy one. Okay as a change of pace for me.

SiamMan

04-15-25, 06:57

Please give us a better distinguishing term for a lady with a day job who doesn't walk the streets but hooks up with the occasional customer."Sideline" is the term used by my Thai friends for such a lady. I would use the same term too.

Mr Enternational

04-15-25, 15:18

EverythingThai

04-15-25, 17:21

There was a girl who had a day job as a cashier in a bar called Windmill. When she finished work, she would come over and stay all night for 1000 baht.

There was a bargirl in a bar called Repent on Soi 6 and when she finished work she would come over and stay all night for 1000 baht.

There was a girl who had a day job in Central department store and when.

She finished work she would come over and stay all night for 1000 baht.

There was a girl who had a day job in a Russian restaurant on the dark side and when she finished work she would come over and stay all night for 1000 baht.

What is the difference between all the women? None that I had ever been able to tell. They were just all prostitutes that came over all night for 1000 baht. They needed no special titles. Prostitutes do not work only at places where one goes to find prostitutes.With all due respect, your post cries "remember when" which in my opinion is the lowest form of conversation. I agree with UglyAzzman that you can't pull real stunners for these prices that you are quoting. Not even half stunners. This post is just not realistic.

About your idea on the proper category name used to refer to girls that fuck us for money, Siam Man is right. In Thailand, that is "Sideline". The literal translation is not going to come close, it basically means a part time sex worker or part time freelancer. In my opinion, that does not make them a prostitute. They are a "student" "office worker" "waitress" or another job title. We used to use the term amateur on this forum to refer to these types. So maybe if you consider Subs argument and refer to them as a prostitute because what they do sometimes is literally that, thats ok. But in my opinion, prostitute would be what I would use if thats what they did full time and not just occasionally.

Anyways, I'm on a mission called" Being realistic" and I truly believe if you are posting things that are not realistic in the forum, it does not help anyone. Of course there are exceptions and sometimes odd things happen. But if its not the norm, and you post it, its not worth even reading as it helps no one. I referring to all of the ridiculous pricing info and other experiences you post that are mostly not current. They are not realistic.These are only my opinions though. Keep posting. Cheers MR. E.

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04-15-25, 19:26

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Mr Enternational

04-15-25, 23:27

About your idea on the proper category name used to refer to girls that fuck us for money, Siam Man is right. In Thailand, that is "Sideline". The literal translation is not going to come close, it basically means a part time sex worker or part time freelancer..What is the cut off between part time and full time?

As BB was saying, there could be a chick in a gogo or bar that hardly gets a customer, but people would see her as fulltime, while some chick that goes to a disco or beach road and picks up 3 customers after a regular work day would be considered part time or sideline?

As I said, makes no difference to me what they are doing outside of when they come to see me. Whether they are fucking for money once a month or 3 times a day, they are getting into my bed in the capacity of being a prostitute, not a chef, not an uber driver, not a food cart vendor. Whatever you call them, it leads to the same results: I am getting laid and they are getting money.

Do the ladies separate someone paying them to fuck into different categories as well? I doubt if they care if someone is a sideline monger or a full time monger, as long as they are getting paid.

SubCmdr

04-16-25, 12:26

Anything Mr E says carries great weight on this boardNot with me it doesn't. Not here in Thailand, the Dominican Republic or Colombia. My experiences dealing with him have been very different from yours. So speak for yourself.

Werqweq

04-16-25, 13:38

SiamMan

04-16-25, 13:57

What is the cut off between part time and full time?

As BB was saying, there could be a chick in a gogo or bar that hardly gets a customer, but people would see her as fulltime, while some chick that goes to a disco or beach road and picks up 3 customers after a regular work day would be considered part time or sideline?

As I said, makes no difference to me what they are doing outside of when they come to see me. Whether they are fucking for money once a month or 3 times a day, they are getting into my bed in the capacity of being a prostitute, not a chef, not an uber driver, not a food cart vendor. Whatever you call them, it leads to the same results: I am getting laid and they are getting money.

Do the ladies separate someone paying them to fuck into different categories as well? I doubt if they care if someone is a sideline monger or a full time monger, as long as they are getting paid.I get where you're coming from, and of course it makes no difference to the punter if the lady you're paying to be in your bed is full time or part time. But, a prostitute, generally speaking, is a lady whose full time occupation and primary source of income is selling her body for sex. A "sideline" lady is one for whom selling her body is not her full time occupation and not even her main source of income; although she is open to earning some extra cash that way should the opportunity or need arise.

EverythingThai

04-16-25, 14:06

What is the cut off between part time and full time?

As BB was saying, there could be a chick in a gogo or bar that hardly gets a customer, but people would see her as fulltime, while some chick that goes to a disco or beach road and picks up 3 customers after a regular work day would be considered part time or sideline?

As I said, makes no difference to me what they are doing outside of when they come to see me. Whether they are fucking for money once a month or 3 times a day, they are getting into my bed in the capacity of being a prostitute, not a chef, not an uber driver, not a food cart vendor. Whatever you call them, it leads to the same results: I am getting laid and they are getting money.

Do the ladies separate someone paying them to fuck into different categories as well? I doubt if they care if someone is a sideline monger or a full time monger, as long as they are getting paid.For me, if the lady does it full time, she is a prostitute. If she is part time, that is a whole different story. This meaning she has a normal job and fucks for money on the side once in a while. This is of course my opinion though.

Mr Enternational

04-16-25, 15:29

Mr. E does know a thing or two and I give credit where credit is due. But the pricing that he preaches is not realistic. Today, what girls go for 1000 Baht LT? Can you tell me where please? It is called negotiating and I have posted countless examples of doing this. Not my problem that folks will take the first price they are given as gospel.

When I arrive at the airport and go upstairs, do you think any of those taxis start at 1000 baht to go to Pattaya? No. They will start at 2500 or 2000. I negotiate the price to 900 plus 105 for tolls and just give them 1100. They have even run the meter times before and the price doing that would be no more than 1200 anyway. I have also posted those pictures here.

When I was in Phuket doing tours I did not pay the price listed on the booth because I negotiated with the people. On a tour in Seychelles I negotiated a price of 130 euro while others on the same tour were paying 300 euro. The lady said she could not go below 130 because she has to give the tour operator 110 euro so that would only leave 20 euro for her.

When I bought my motorcycle off ebay the listed price was $3700. I sent a message and negotiated the price to $3000. I was in the market to buy some property in my neighborhood that was listed at $110,000. I looked up its history and saw it had been for closed on for $25,000. My brother has a real estate license so I told him to call and offer them $28,000. He said they were not going to accept that. They emailed him back accepting the offer.

It is an easy and simple technique that I know many people who do not come from bargaining cultures refuse to do.

UglyAzzMan

04-16-25, 17:18

Mr. E does know a thing or two and I give credit where credit is due. But the pricing that he preaches is not realistic. Today, what girls go for 1000 Baht LT? Can you tell me where please? Anyways, this is my opinion about the content he posts. This is also your opinion and I respect that. However, on your second comment, let's move that particular discussion to the rants thread where it belongs.Finally someone calls me E out on pricing besides me.

You know the answer ET. His girls are Ugly.

Nothing wrong with Ugly. Darn Cheap.

NicFrenchy

04-17-25, 02:12

For me, if the lady does it full time, she is a prostitute. If she is part time, that is a whole different story. This meaning she has a normal job and fucks for money on the side once in a while. This is of course my opinion though.I am of the same opinion.

This is a worldwide phenomenon, girl who has a regular job and has sex from time to time in exchange for money / gifts / goods. You can call them 304's, sluts but not prostitutes, I'd think prostitution is more of a full-time thing.

The part-time lady also has a more selective approach and won't have sex with just anyone and / or for any amount of money.

In Thailand, there are a lot of girls with sugar-daddies, they pay for their new iphones, computers, cars, apartments. And in exchange, the young girl will let them come to their place and have sex a few times a month.

Explorer8939

04-17-25, 05:39

For me, if the lady does it full time, she is a prostitute. If she is part time, that is a whole different story. This meaning she has a normal job and fucks for money on the side once in a while. This is of course my opinion though.Someone mentioned that the appropriate term for a lady with a day job who sees a customer on the side once in a while is a "sideline girl". But that only applies to a freelancer in a bar. A sideline lady can work basically full time in a bar, just not draw a salary. There is an implication that she can and does change bar a lot.

Mr Enternational

04-17-25, 13:02

Finally someone calls me E out on pricing besides me.

You know the answer ET. His girls are Ugly.

Nothing wrong with Ugly. Darn Cheap.More than likely it is you guys who are ugly, therefore you are made to pay more. I guess the girls figure nothing wrong with fucking an ugly guy for money as long as he is going to pay you 5000 baht and buy 40 drinks. Hahahaha!

SiamMan

04-18-25, 05:40

Someone mentioned that the appropriate term for a lady with a day job who sees a customer on the side once in a while is a "sideline girl". But that only applies to a freelancer in a bar. A sideline lady can work basically full time in a bar, just not draw a salary. There is an implication that she can and does change bar a lot.Not at all. When I mentioned the term "Sideline" as being the appropriate term used by Thais for a lady with a day job who sees a customer on the side once in a while, it would definitely not apply to a freelancer working in a bar. It would not apply to any lady working in any position within the sex industry. It implies that the lady has a "regular" job, not in the sex industry, but would be open to earning some extra cash once in a while by selling sex.

SubCmdr

04-18-25, 10:54

SubCmdr

04-18-25, 10:59

I have a girlfriend. I pay her for short time or long time depending upon how long she spends with me. She has a day job. So she is not a prostitute.Does anyone else up in dis * agree with the above statement? If you do not, please point out the error in my logic. Know what time it my brother. Or else you going to get got.

ROTFLMAO!

Mr Enternational

04-18-25, 16:27

When I mentioned the term "Sideline" as being the appropriate term used by Thais for a lady with a day job who sees a customer on the side once in a while, it would definitely not apply to a freelancer working in a bar. It would not apply to any lady working in any position within the sex industry. It implies that the lady has a "regular" job, not in the sex industry, but would be open to earning some extra cash once in a while by selling sex.If I recall correctly, years ago people in the Bangkok thread used to mention sideline chicks at the soapies or gogos or some kind of sex industry venue in Bangkok. This does not seem to fit your description.

Explorer8939

04-19-25, 00:51

Explorer8939

04-19-25, 00:57

I am waiting out Songkran by having ladies come to my condo, so I don't have to go out.

Yesterday, the twins came (consecutively).

Today, I have two ladies coming, one daytime, the other at night.

I expect many ladies to wake up the day after Songkran and realize they don't have any money because either they were playing water every day, or their customers were out playing water.

April 20 is the traditional day after Songkran, when mass numbers of tourists leave Pattaya, and Low Season begins.

So, tomorrow, I expect my telephone to be deluged with messages from ladies.

NicFrenchy

04-19-25, 03:30

If I recall correctly, years ago people in the Bangkok thread used to mention sideline chicks at the soapies or gogos or some kind of sex industry venue in Bangkok. This does not seem to fit your description.Nataree was the most notorious Soapy for Sideliners. And if you've been there before, you know the Talent in the Fishbowl isn't up to par so Sidelines was the way t go.

My last Nataree experience was with our Notorious "MP Lurker" and we did take a sideliner (each). Sure was more expensive, the ladies decide on their price and I believe they just need to pay the MP a fee for using their premises.

The young girl I took was an office girl from some BKK company, she was a bit clumsy in the room, but when she got going, it was great.

Other MP's, Sideliners are their "higher" talent that shows up only when they feel like, some go up to 10 K a session.

SiamMan

04-19-25, 06:55

If I recall correctly, years ago people in the Bangkok thread used to mention sideline chicks at the soapies or gogos or some kind of sex industry venue in Bangkok. This does not seem to fit your description.Yes. You are right. Back in the day and specifically in the large soapie massage parlors, but not in gogos, there would usually be a select group of ladies seated separately from the ladies in the fishbowl. These ladies would often be better looking, and therefore more expensive, than the fishbowl ladies. They were referred to as "sideline" ladies because they were not on contract to the establishment and could come and go as they pleased, typically just one or two nights a week. I have no idea if this arrangement still continues in these parlors nowadays as I haven't frequented them for a long time.

Sam Sanuk

04-19-25, 08:59

If you have left your country of origin and you are hiring a prostitute in another country you are a: International Trick.

If you are paying a girl for sex, she is a prostitute.

Of course, this only applies if you are using the King's English and you are not engaged in self-delusion as man.Most agree that men all pay one way or another for sex. Therefore, all men who engage sex while outside the geographical confines of their homeland are "international tricks". I don't see any difference between being an international trick and being a domestic trick. As for women, it has been noted (perhaps accurately) that if they didn't have a pussy, there would be a bounty on them. In which case, we men could explain our foreign travels as going on "safari".

Sam.

SubCmdr

04-19-25, 18:07

Most agree that men all pay one way or another for sex. Therefore, all men who engage sex while outside the geographical confines of their homeland are "international tricks". I don't see any difference between being an international trick and being a domestic trick. As for women, it has been noted (perhaps accurately) that if they didn't have a pussy, there would be a bounty on them. In which case, we men could explain our foreign travels as going on "safari"..I have always said, the type of Trick that you are depends upon the contract you negotiate with your prostitute. 1 hour (Short Time), 3 hours (Mid Time), 8 hours (Long Time), Week. Months (Girlfriends), Years (Serious Girlfriends), Marriage (until death or divorce do you part).

Only a few individuals claim to get pussy while paying absolutely nothing. Those are amazing dudes and quite the negotiators. I paid money in my marriages even when the girl made more money than I did. I've never has a sugar moma. I had offers, but I just wouldn't have been a real man had I taken them.

ROTFLMAO

Explorer8939

04-19-25, 23:51

Newton York

04-20-25, 01:25

Since we're talking about this. Let's be honest here. All women are prostitutes. You never get sex for free. Even for those so called men who've got game, you still need to wine and dine the girl. At some point money is extracted. Obviously no where near as much as what ugly guys like me have to pay. But it's never free. And when you marry a chick, oh dear Lucifer, you'll be paying for it the rest of your life. And when she gets fat and wrinkly? You're still paying for pussy you don't want no more. I mean christ on a stick.

And to be fair, I'll say it. WE are all prostitutes in a lot of ways too. We all work, so we get paid. What do you call that? The main difference is that we don't have to sell our bodies in a sexual way, but we definitely sell ourselves, our time, our skills, etc.

The moral police and people who abhor prostitution aren't seeing it as the incredible and absolutely essential service that it provides. So that decrepit, old, ugly guys like me can get laid. By Satan's ballsack, if dudes weren't getting laid, civilization would have collapsed several times over already. Life is somewhat meaningless without sex. I mean, what's the point of waking up in the morning if you're not getting your dick wet? Or at the very least, the possibility of getting your dick wet. Something to look forward to. Something to actually live for.

I salute prostitutes, I hail them as heroes. I'd give them a medal if I could, but the money's more than enough.

I know if it wasn't for working girls, I'd have unlifed myself several times over already by now.

Explorer8939

04-20-25, 10:22

As I mentioned, last night's lady is a Mia Noi for a Chinese guy. That doesn't stop her from coming for overnights at my condo.

Earlier in the year, she had a young Spanish boyfriend who she professed to be in love with. That didn't stop her from coming for overnights at my condo.

Explorer8939

04-20-25, 16:38

Mr Enternational

04-20-25, 16:45

Last night's lady is a Mia Noi. She is maintained by a Chinese guy, for a long time, and has a kid with him.

But he lives in China with his wife.

So, the lady is well maintained, but bored. She had a young Spanish boyfriend, but the Chinese guy disapproved.

So, she comes to the condo to drink, having nothing better to do.Well maintained, yet just happens to need 2000 baht from you every so often? When I was fucking a married well maintained Filipina in Pattaya, she was not coming over for money. She was coming over to fuck and taking me out spending her well maintainedness on me. Shame they moved back to where her husband was from.

Newton York

04-21-25, 00:27

The one who got away: Poppy from Maggie Mays bar. I never went with her, mostly due to time constraints. She wanted to go to Singapore with me, but I declined, since she's from Laos, and sometimes returning to Thailand from a third country can be problematic.

Right after that, her family sold her to some guy in China, and she now lives in China, never to come back.

So, I missed the boat on that one.Maggie Mays has a kind of resort with chicks now in Pattaya somewhere. I'd say it won't really work, cause their entire business structure is weird. Who's going to want to stay there for 2 solid weeks stuck with the same chicks? What if the chicks aren't hot? And you're no where near the beach.

Explorer8939

04-21-25, 00:32

Well maintained, yet just happens to need 2000 baht from you every so often? When I was fucking a married well maintained Filipina in Pattaya, she was not coming over for money. She was coming over to fuck and taking me out spending her well maintainedness on me. Shame they moved back to where her husband was from.This lady certainly isn't coming over to fuck. But she doesn't really need the money: she is simply bored.

Explorer8939

04-22-25, 02:56

Maggie Mays has a kind of resort with chicks now in Pattaya somewhere. I'd say it won't really work, cause their entire business structure is weird. Who's going to want to stay there for 2 solid weeks stuck with the same chicks? What if the chicks aren't hot? And you're no where near the beach.I can't say if the Maggie Mays Resort will be a success, as bars and hotels aren't my line of work.

A couple of bargirls have expressed a desire to see the resort, so I may visit in the next week or so.

Explorer8939

04-23-25, 01:36

AggieDad1

04-23-25, 04:20

I have social media contacts for many ladies in Pattaya. Sometimes I wonder what these ladies are thinking when I see their Facebook posts. They write about true love while they are working freelance on the streets of Pattaya.

Is there a guy so lonely that they can fall in love with a Pattaya streetwalker?Yes, they are. I meet one or two every trip. Speaking of trips. I was supposed to leave Friday from Houston for Bangkok. However a vulture decided to commit suicide on my windshield yesterday. Luckily only the vulture suffered injuries. So now delayed two weeks until I get my vehicle out of the shop. Anyone else have strange incident that made you cancel or postpone a trip?

Explorer8939

04-23-25, 10:22

Mr Enternational

04-23-25, 12:39

Mr Enternational

04-23-25, 12:41

I was supposed to leave Friday from Houston for Bangkok. However a vulture decided to commit suicide on my windshield yesterday. Luckily only the vulture suffered injuries. So now delayed two weeks until I get my vehicle out of the shop. Anyone else have strange incident that made you cancel or postpone a trip?No. I would have put that shit in the garage and fixed it when I got back, or told the shop when I would be back to pick it up.

EverythingThai

04-23-25, 14:23

Finally someone calls me E out on pricing besides me.

You know the answer ET. His girls are Ugly.

Nothing wrong with Ugly. Darn Cheap.Let's talk about the ol' "you get what you pay for" argument in the mongering game.

In most cases, it holds true. The hottest girls, they're going to cost more. Whether that's a higher barfine, more lady drinks, or just a flat-out higher ST / LT rate, it's part of the deal.

Why? Because supply and demand is still undefeated. The girl who knows she's a firm 9 or 10 in this market (and yes, some of them do know) is going to expect more than the girl who's just going through the motions for rent money.

But here's the twist, not everyone agrees on what a 10 is.

One man's 10 is another man's 2.

As the saying goes, trash to one is treasure to another. Some guys are laser-focused on service and don't care if she looks like she just rolled out of a bus from Buriram, if she's sweet, skilled, and doesn't cause drama, that's a win for them. And to be fair, there's nothing wrong with that if you know what you like.

Me personally? I'm not one of those guys. Looks matter to me. Not always supermodel level, but if I'm paying, I want to at least feel the illusion for a few hours. So yeah, I expect to pay more for what I consider "quality. " and for other things I want, such as BBFS, a no holds barred threesome where the girls make out, lick each others pussies, and fuck me inside and out, no talk of switching condoms or even condoms at all. That's a real threesome worth paying for.

Now all that aside, when I say be realistic, I'm not talking about finding miracles. I'm talking about the norm.

Beach Road? You know what the usual range is.

Soi 6? Same.

Gents clubs, Thai Friendly, BJ bars, all have their lanes and price brackets. You can score cheap once in a while, sure, but most of the time, there's a reason it's cheap.

So when I hear guys saying it's realistic to get a decent girl for 1000 LT? Come on now. That's not the norm. That's either luck, charity, or creative storytelling. Even if you are the best negotiator in the world, it won’t matter. If you pay under market, there is a reason and it won’t be something that occurs often. Otherwise, the market would be lower.

In the end, know what you're looking for, know what you're willing to pay, and just don't gaslight the next guy trying to figure this scene out.

Waiting for a certain someone to come back with his “catch phrase” lol.

AggieDad1

04-23-25, 17:12

I spent some time in a bar today, and endured hearing some US guy talking at bar girls. He spoke in rapid fire English, how the ladies understood is a mystery to me.

If you are going to talk at the ladies, try to speak slowly and don't use slang.Good advice. Wish someone would have told me this 20 years ago before I started working in China. One day I was sitting in a bar in China after being in country for 7 months talking to a Spanish guy. After a while he told me that he could understand my English better than any American or Brit he had ever spoken too. I told him it was because I had been working with people for months who speak little or no english. You either learn to speak slowly and cut out the slang or spend half your day repeating yourself.

Mr Enternational

04-23-25, 17:59

The girl who knows she's a firm 9 or 10 in this market (and yes, some of them do know) is going to expect more than the girl who's just going through the motions for rent money.The girls don't know shit. Men assume they know something because they find the girl beautiful or whatever, but most women have low self-esteem and see a bunch of problems instead of a bunch of beauty. And in our hobby, I doubt any of them are thinking I am so beautiful that I have to be a hooker instead of a model or actress or whatever else job people see beautiful women as doing.

They will charge the money they charge because history has shown them that guys will pay it and IMHO that has nothing to do with how beautiful they see themselves. They probably can not believe that guys will give them so much money.

Werqweq

04-23-25, 18:03

Finally someone calls me E out on pricing besides me.

You know the answer ET. His girls are Ugly.

Nothing wrong with Ugly. Darn Cheap.What you and your cohort doesn't understand, or want to understand, is that the same girl will quote different guys different prices. Anything from zero baht to ten thousand baht.

I have zero doubt that a guy living here, and who gives of a certain vibe girls are attracted to, will have a lot more success offering 1,000 to a hottie than many other guys will have offering the same hottie 2,000, or even 3,000.

Ugly? It's not them, dude.

Mr Enternational

04-23-25, 20:08

So when I hear guys saying it's realistic to get a decent girl for 1000 LT? Come on now. That's not the norm. That's either luck, charity, or creative storytelling. Even if you are the best negotiator in the world, it wont matter. If you pay under market, there is a reason and it wont be something that occurs often. Otherwise, the market would be lower.Ain't no market. There is only what you are willing to pay and what she is willing to accept. When I press that UberX button I have gotten a Hyundai, Mercedes, and Tesla. To let you guys tell it, nobody is picking you up in a Mercedes or Tesla for the cheap price that they would in a Hyundai. But time and time again, they have.

SubCmdr

04-24-25, 00:25

I don't even like this mother fuck, but he is 100% on point.

We have mother fucks who don't even live in Pattaya like Oakie and (name redacted for privacy) saying there are not freelancers in Pattaya or trying to dictate how much others should pay. They are saying only ugly girls are available at 1000 THB. Anyone who wants to meet me and actually see what we can get for 1000 THB is welcome. If you talking shit I will show you my golf swing. If you have respect I will show you where the 1000 THB hos be at.

The girls don't know shit. Men assume they know something because they find the girl beautiful or whatever, but most women have low self-esteem and see a bunch of problems instead of a bunch of beauty. And in our hobby, I doubt any of them are thinking I am so beautiful that I have to be a hooker instead of a model or actress or whatever else job people see beautiful women as doing.

They will charge the money they charge because history has shown them that guys will pay it and IMHO that has nothing to do with how beautiful they see themselves. They probably can not believe that guys will give them so much money.

Explorer8939

04-24-25, 00:54

No. I would have put that shit in the garage and fixed it when I got back, or told the shop when I would be back to pick it up.You don't have Facebook for any ladies in Thailand?

Nyezhov

04-24-25, 02:17

The girls don't know shit. Men assume they know something because they find the girl beautiful or whatever, but most women have low self-esteem and see a bunch of problems instead of a bunch of beauty. And in our hobby, I doubt any of them are thinking I am so beautiful that I have to be a hooker instead of a model or actress or whatever else job people see beautiful women as doing.

They will charge the money they charge because history has shown them that guys will pay it and IMHO that has nothing to do with how beautiful they see themselves. They probably can not believe that guys will give them so much money.As usual, common sense. Lot of the folks overly concerned about what the girls charge generally Overpay.

NicFrenchy

04-24-25, 02:53

What you and your cohort doesn't understand, or want to understand, is that the same girl will quote different guys different prices. Anything from zero baht to ten thousand baht.

I have zero doubt that a guy living here, and who gives of a certain vibe girls are attracted to, will have a lot more success offering 1,000 to a hottie than many other guys will have offering the same hottie 2,000, or even 3,000.This is absolutely true.

Local expats and retirees have the advantage of playing the long game and a lot less chances of getting scammed (by that I mean being the overseas BF that sends money monthly and for emergencies).

If girls see you as a potential repeat customer, she may price herself accordingly. She's going to assume you have been around, know the drill.

Also, for these girls may be prostitutes, they still are young and want to have fun. If you are nice, fun to be around and she's enjoying her time, she will stay longer than agreed or sometimes not even accept money.

These girls may be "hard" on the outside, but on the inside is a little girl that still waits to be swept off her feet like a princess (it's extremely difficult to peel the layers, but for those that can, it's a great experience). Most these girls prefer Thai guys anyway so no matter how "smooth" you are, Somchai will always have an advantage. I can tell you for a fact because I play in the "Thai" market, and it's extremely difficult because even if the girl likes me, 9/10 times, can't speak Thai (too old and lazy to learn). But the girls are a lot "hotter" than your average BG (more expensive too).

Mr Enternational

04-24-25, 04:48

You don't have Facebook for any ladies in Thailand?I have facebook of normal women that I know in Thailand. I do not have the facebook of any prostitutes. My niece's mom in Pattaya keeps popping up for me to add her. If I am not adding her, then I sure as hell am not adding any hookers. The DJ at 808 is on my facebook and he is on there cussing some broad out. It appears maybe he loaned her some money or something. Too much damn drama for me!

EihTooms

04-24-25, 06:06

This is absolutely true.

Local expats and retirees have the advantage of playing the long game and a lot less chances of getting scammed (by that I mean being the overseas BF that sends money monthly and for emergencies).

If girls see you as a potential repeat customer, she may price herself accordingly. She's going to assume you have been around, know the drill.

Also, for these girls may be prostitutes, they still are young and want to have fun. If you are nice, fun to be around and she's enjoying her time, she will stay longer than agreed or sometimes not even accept money.

These girls may be "hard" on the outside, but on the inside is a little girl that still waits to be swept off her feet like a princess (it's extremely difficult to peel the layers, but for those that can, it's a great experience). Most these girls prefer Thai guys anyway so no matter how "smooth" you are, Somchai will always have an advantage. I can tell you for a fact because I play in the "Thai" market, and it's extremely difficult because even if the girl likes me, 9/10 times, can't speak Thai (too old and lazy to learn). But the girls are a lot "hotter" than your average BG (more expensive too).We local expats can play the long game in terms of stalling and delaying until we finally catch them at 3 am on a rainy night in low season when their rent is 5 days past due in order to perhaps get a discount on pricing. But, bear in mind, that might also be us stalling, delaying and standing in the rain at 3 am to catch that "win" too.

However, getting great Real Sex / DFK, BBBJ, BBFSCIP in the deal as a local expat is not necessarily in the cards the way getting that price discount might be.

I maintain the best Real Sex any punter will ever get from a Thai P4 P girl is when she thinks he just arrived an hour ago, has no idea how all of this works, is so clumsy and / or unattractive that he hasn't gotten laid in his home country in years if ever, has never been alone in a room with a naked female younger than his mom, suggests a deep hope to find his "soul mate" in Thailand and is scheduled to return to his lonely, sexless life in his home country in 3-4 days.

That is when the Thai P4 P girl has the greatest incentive to rock that dude's world on night one, so much so that he will want to see her and only her again for the duration of his stay and start sending her serious support money after he leaves and she doesn't even need to touch, much less suck or fuck his dick for the next several months.

That is the Big Lottery Win for a Thai P4 P girl.

By comparison, hooking up with a no tricks, no games possible local expat who she can only squeeze out a fair but smaller going rate payment from and only if and when she actually sets aside the time and effort to meet him for actual sucking and fucking is no lottery win for her. That's work. That is not getting a transfer of money support from Mr. Lonelyheart while she and her girlfriends are partying, drinking and eating or buying her Thai BF a new motorcycle.

And I don't even think bothering to rock such a local expat's world sexually makes much sense for her. Not if she is aware that this guy is seen carting a new girl back to his room every other night.

And then there is the girl's assessment of how "clean" and disease-free that Lonelyheart dude supposedly would be vs the local expat who has wallowed in a variety of pussies for years and years. Yes, that will cross these girls' minds too.

All of that and more works against the local expat easily or naturally getting Best Value Sex for his fair going rate and works for the Just Arrived and Naive Newbie getting his world rocked on session one. Maybe even sesson two and three.

Of course, I am only talking about what the girl perceives to be the case with each of these two extremes, the potential for winning the Big Lottery or not and not the reality of them.

UglyAzzMan

04-24-25, 10:25

The girls don't know shit. Men assume they know something because they find the girl beautiful or whatever, but most women have low self-esteem and see a bunch of problems instead of a bunch of beauty. And in our hobby, I doubt any of them are thinking I am so beautiful that I have to be a hooker instead of a model or actress or whatever else job people see beautiful women as doing.

They will charge the money they charge because history has shown them that guys will pay it and IMHO that has nothing to do with how beautiful they see themselves. They probably can not believe that guys will give them so much money.Majority of this Bargirl s are not thinking why guys are Overpaying for my services.

Majority of Bargirl s are thinking am I that unattractive no guys are even offering me anything.

I have no doubt some Girls are making Bank. When I say some I mean FEW.

Mr Enternational

04-24-25, 15:49

Of course, I am only talking about what the girl perceives to be the case with each of these two extremes, the potential for winning the Big Lottery or not and not the reality of them.LOL. Man you make this seem complicated as fuck. No hooker is thinking this might be the big payday every time some stranger on Thai Friendly messages her or a foreigner tries to pick her up in the street. Neither does Domino's Pizza have their fingers crossed that every time the phone rings someone might be ordering 200 pizzas.

We are trading sex for money, not sending rocket ships to outer space. No hooker is saying what an extra good job they have to do for whatever reason. Hell, her extra good job to you might be an extra shitty job to me. Same as Domino's saying we better put extra cheese on these 200 pizzas so the customer is really happy and gives us big tips and more business, but come to find out the customer does not even like extra cheese.

This shit is tic tac toe, not chess.

EihTooms

04-24-25, 21:04

LOL. Man you make this seem complicated as fuck. No hooker is thinking this might be the big payday every time some stranger on Thai Friendly messages her or a foreigner tries to pick her up in the street. Neither does Domino's Pizza have their fingers crossed that every time the phone rings someone might be ordering 200 pizzas.

We are trading sex for money, not sending rocket ships to outer space. No hooker is saying what an extra good job they have to do for whatever reason. Hell, her extra good job to you might be an extra shitty job to me. Same as Domino's saying we better put extra cheese on these 200 pizzas so the customer is really happy and gives us big tips and more business, but come to find out the customer does not even like extra cheese.

This shit is tic tac toe, not chess."No hooker is saying what an extra good job they have to do for whatever reason. ".

Not for more money, not for multiple bookings, not to encourage repeat patronage from a known bell-ringer, no reason at all?

Then, among other things, the time and effort spent by anyone reading this negotiating anything anywhere with any hooker is pretty much pointless, right?

I can only speak from my experience. And in my experience I have not found a venue, bar, shop, neighborhood or online "dating site" yet where the three minimal requirements I count as qualifying for P4 P pizza worth paying any amount of money for, DFK, BBBJ and BBFSCIP, are as reliably and routinely delivered with no hassle, no discussion or negotiation about it as ordering a Domino's Pizza and expecting it to include a Crust, Tomato Sauce and Mozzarella Cheese. At minimum.

Not among the girls I am interested in having sex with, that is.

But, as always, YMMV.

UglyAzzMan

04-25-25, 03:07

We local expats can play the long game in terms of stalling and delaying until we finally catch them at 3 am on a rainy night in low season when their rent is 5 days past due in order to perhaps get a discount on pricing. But, bear in mind, that might also be us stalling, delaying and standing in the rain at 3 am to catch that "win" too.

However, getting great Real Sex / DFK, BBBJ, BBFSCIP in the deal as a local expat is not necessarily in the cards the way getting that price discount might be.

I maintain the best Real Sex any punter will ever get from a Thai P4 P girl is when she thinks he just arrived an hour ago, has no idea how all of this works, is so clumsy and / or unattractive that he hasn't gotten laid in his home country in years if ever, has never been alone in a room with a naked female younger than his mom, suggests a deep hope to find his "soul mate" in Thailand and is scheduled to return to his lonely, sexless life in his home country in 3-4 days.

That is when the Thai P4 P girl has the greatest incentive to rock that dude's world on night one, so much so that he will want to see her and only her again for the duration of his stay and start sending her serious support money after he leaves and she doesn't even need to touch, much less suck or fuck his dick for the next several months.

That is the Big Lottery Win for a Thai P4 P girl.

By comparison, hooking up with a no tricks, no games possible local expat who she can only squeeze out a fair but smaller going rate payment from and only if and when she actually sets aside the time and effort to meet him for actual sucking and fucking is no lottery win for her. That's work. That is not getting a transfer of money support from Mr. Lonelyheart while she and her girlfriends are partying, drinking and eating or buying her Thai BF a new motorcycle.

And I don't even think bothering to rock such a local expat's world sexually makes much sense for her. Not if she is aware that this guy is seen carting a new girl back to his room every other night.

And then there is the girl's assessment of how "clean" and disease-free that Lonelyheart dude supposedly would be vs the local expat who has wallowed in a variety of pussies for years and years. Yes, that will cross these girls' minds too.

All of that and more works against the local expat easily or naturally getting Best Value Sex for his fair going rate and works for the Just Arrived and Naive Newbie getting his world rocked on session one. Maybe even sesson two and three.

Of course, I am only talking about what the girl perceives to be the case with each of these two extremes, the potential for winning the Big Lottery or not and not the reality of them.I don't doubt Locals can get better prices but how much. Please give examples.

If I'm a girl who is Popular I'm not giving you a discount because you are a Local.

I'm I'm an ugly girl I'd definitely give you a big discount. Hahaha.

EihTooms

04-25-25, 05:09

I don't doubt Locals can get better prices but how much. Please give examples.

If I'm a girl who is Popular I'm not giving you a discount because you are a Local.

I'm I'm an ugly girl I'd definitely give you a big discount. Hahaha.I also don't see why any girl who is popular for all the usual and obvious reasons would give a local expat a discount unless there is something in it for her in the "long game" deal; she knows he will always be around for the quick 1,500 - 2,000 baht no-brainer, one simple Line message score after hours, on her day off or a bar closure holiday and on the way to the mall or to meet her friends for a party.

But on a first session that she has no reason to believe will ever be repeated? No reason for a popular girl for all the usual and obvious reasons to give a local expat a discount simply because he says, "Hey, I'm a local expat, I'm not a tourist, I know the real prices" unless she is desperate enough for a customer and right now. In which case she is not so popular after all and would have agreed to a discount regardless what the dude told her.

Otherwise, the usual drop from 3,000 baht to 2,500 baht or from 2,000 baht to 1,500 baht discount applies to anyone willing to hesitate and not immediately jump on her first quote, same as for everyone else.

The local expat discount primarily comes about because we are not under time pressure to accept whatever right now and be ready for the next one and the next one after that before my flight back home.

I am here 24/7 during high season, low season, bar closures, pre big family holidays, post big family holidays, during every bar girl's kid's birthday, first school day, whenever a popular girl might be motivated to catch that extra 1,500 - 2,000 baht bonus on the way to the mall and so on.

However, if I choose to cruise through Nana Plaza at 9 pm on a Friday night during high season with my goal being to barfine a popular for all the usual and obvious reasons girl for the first time, she will very likely already have seen me cruising through Nana Plaza, probably already have seen me walking out of bars or along Soi 4 with dozens of different girls or multiple times with my lovely young girlfriend over the months or years and she would have no reason whatsoever to give me some mythical local expat discount that night. Not as long as she knows her chances of getting any full price quote customer she targets that night are very, very good anyway.

Nor would she be more inclined to rock my world in bed after having possibly recognized me as a player who has 24/7 access to every pussy in Thailand and not likely to repeat one anyway. As wrong as she might he about that, BTW.

Nor would that hypothetical popular girl be more inclined to agree to BBFSCIP with me considering all of the above factors without extra cash involved before she would agree to it with the clumsy newbie she never saw before and definitely never saw leaving with any other suspected nasty pussy in Nana Plaza. Which was my point in a previous post.

Jean Tessier

04-25-25, 06:57

First time posting in forever this one's mostly for fellow residents.

I've been living in Bangkok for about 5 years now, married with kids, and working a pretty visible job. I regularly date Thai girls, mostly through apps, always regulars. One thing that's been driving me nuts since I got here: some of these girls keep grabbing my profile pics (from Line, WhatsApp, etc.) and posting them in private Thai Facebook groups.

You know the type "Anyone know this guy? "Is he good or bad? "Can I trust him? "Anyone dating him?" that kind of thing. These groups are all in Thai, private, and usually only accessible if you're a Thai woman (or ladyboy). I've managed to sneak into a couple, but apparently there are dozens of them.

As you can imagine, I'm not thrilled about having my photo passed around in groups with 30 k to 80 k members. Once I realized what was happening, I switched to anonymous profile pics but even now, years later, my old ones still pop up occasionally, and yeah. It really pisses me off.

First off, obvious heads up: don't use real photos on Tinder, Thai Friendly, Line, WhatsApp, etc. If you're in a similar situation. If you don't care about thousands of strangers seeing your face and commenting (often unnecessarily), then fine but just know it happens.

Now a few questions for fellow residents and regulars:

Has anyone else dealt with this? If so, how did you handle?

Were you able to get access to these groups somehow?

Did you ask to have your photos removed?

Set up any routines to avoid sharing pics that could be reposted?

Reported the groups to Meta?

And out of curiosity. Is anyone aware of similar groups targeting Thai women? I feel like we (farang) are way less digital, organized, or solidaristic to make that kind of behavior a thing but maybe I'm wrong?

Werqweq

04-25-25, 09:19

"No hooker is saying what an extra good job they have to do for whatever reason. ".

Not for more money, not for multiple bookings, not to encourage repeat patronage from a known bell-ringer, no reason at all?

Then, among other things, the time and effort spent by anyone reading this negotiating anything anywhere with any hooker is pretty much pointless, right?

I can only speak from my experience. And in my experience I have not found a venue, bar, shop, neighborhood or online "dating site" yet where the three minimal requirements I count as qualifying for P4 P pizza worth paying any amount of money for, DFK, BBBJ and BBFSCIP, are as reliably and routinely delivered with no hassle, no discussion or negotiation about it as ordering a Domino's Pizza and expecting it to include a Crust, Tomato Sauce and Mozzarella Cheese. At minimum.

Not among the girls I am interested in having sex with, that is.

But, as always, YMMV.The whole point is, "YMMV". That's why reading the different reports, honest failures included, are both useful and interesting. Does not mean I will be able to replicate another guy's success, but it lets me see what's possible.

Somebody reading your reports will think BBFS is darn on impossible to get with anything but ugly girls in Thailand. Others get BBFS more often than not with whatever girl they choose, and they choose whoever they want to fuck the most there and then. I've never given a single thought to whether she will insist on condom or not, and have no interest all in paying to fuck a more ugly girl just because I think or hope she will let me fuck her without condom, while her more pretty colleague will not. I don't care, as I'd much rather fuck a more pretty girl with a condom than a less pretty girl without a condom.

Some people may want to continue believing that the reason they have so much problems getting BBFS, while others get it most of the time, is that others are fucking ugly girls most of the time. Or that the guy paying less than them must be paying less because his girls are more ugly. Or that the girls who prefer to stay till the morning with the guy, even though only paid for short-time, must be more ugly too. Or whatever reason somebody is getting something better or more from a girl for the same price, it must be because the girl is more ugly. Up to them if they want to believe that, though it's a rather insulting assumption.

BBFSCIP is a different thing, and I don't at all blame the p4 p-girls who, before or during fucking, tell me I cannot CIP because they don't trust that the dude they met a moment ago really did have a vasectomy like he says. There have even been idiots here posting about how they lie to girls about having had a vasectomy, but have not, in order to get BBFS.

EihTooms

04-25-25, 12:11

The whole point is, "YMMV". That's why reading the different reports, honest failures included, are both useful and interesting. Does not mean I will be able to replicate another guy's success, but it lets me see what's possible.

Somebody reading your reports will think BBFS is darn on impossible to get with anything but ugly girls in Thailand. Others get BBFS more often than not with whatever girl they choose, and they choose whoever they want to fuck the most there and then. I've never given a single thought to whether she will insist on condom or not, and have no interest all in paying to fuck a more ugly girl just because I think or hope she will let me fuck her without condom, while her more pretty colleague will not. I don't care, as I'd much rather fuck a more pretty girl with a condom than a less pretty girl without a condom.

Some people may want to continue believing that the reason they have so much problems getting BBFS, while others get it most of the time, is that others are fucking ugly girls most of the time. Or that the guy paying less than them must be paying less because his girls are more ugly. Or that the girls who prefer to stay till the morning with the guy, even though only paid for short-time, must be more ugly too. Or whatever reason somebody is getting something better or more from a girl for the same price, it must be because the girl is more ugly. Up to them if they want to believe that, though it's a rather insulting assumption.

BBFSCIP is a different thing, and I don't at all blame the p4 p-girls who, before or during fucking, tell me I cannot CIP because they don't trust that the dude they met a moment ago really did have a vasectomy like he says. There have even been idiots here posting about how they lie to girls about having had a vasectomy, but have not, in order to get BBFS.Not at all. If the only girls I could find willing to have BBFSCIP with me even on a first session among the hundreds if not thousands of Thai girls who have done that with me were ugly, I never would have retired in Thailand 13 years ago.

But that doesn't mean I can ignore the reality that it is going to be a much greater challenge to swing that with the best lookers and therefore likely most popular girls in a venue than the 2nd and 3rd Tier lookers in the place. That is the term I have used. And that doesn't mean the 2nd and 3rd Tier lookers are ugly. Not if there are at least 5 Tiers overall. LOL.

However, surely you aren't suggesting that getting BBFSCIP without discussion or negotiation from the top 10% or so best lookers in any venue in Thailand is as easy, reliable, routine, hassle-free and low cost as ordering a pizza and actually getting a pizza at any and every Domino's Pizza shop in town, as some here appear to suggest, are you?

In the context of the point I was making I am only saying it is more likely a punter who "appears" not to be a serious, high volume player always on the hunt for BBFSCIP with every girl he has sessioned with in 13 years of living in Bangkok and instead "appears" to have just arrived in town and isn't slick and knowledgeable enough about the hobby to have sessioned with anyone yet, might, just might have an edge in getting BBFSCIP from a girl with the killer combination of good looks and the willingness to deliver BBFSCIP with the most promising long term prospect.

Any punters interested in improving their chances of getting BBFSCIP are welcome to take or leave that bit of advice.

But, yes, I will go on record here and now to say that IF my goal was to always get no hassle, no negotiation BBFSCIP, as easy, reliable and routine as ordering a pizza and actually getting a pizza at Domino's, then I would steer clear of the top Tier and probably 2nd Tier lookers in any venue, shop or region and would resign myself to either paying extra cash for it, which works against that Domino's Pizza analogy I think, or choose ladies who would probably be closer to what is generally regarded as ugly.

And, believe me, among those thousands of different girls I have gotten BBFSCIP with I have had my share of girls who would probably fit that description. Not a terrible experience. But definitely less of a challenge compared to the aforementioned alternative.

NicFrenchy

04-25-25, 15:24

Reported the groups to Meta?

And out of curiosity. Is anyone aware of similar groups targeting Thai women? I feel like we (farang) are way less digital, organized, or solidaristic to make that kind of behavior a thing but maybe I'm wrong?Notify the Police, the person who used your picture without your consent is facing a hefty fine and possible jail time.

Werqweq

04-25-25, 15:54

But that doesn't mean I can ignore the reality that it is going to be a much greater challenge to swing that with the best lookers and therefore likely most popular girls in a venue than the 2nd and 3rd Tier lookers in the place. That is the term I have used. And that doesn't mean the 2nd and 3rd Tier lookers are ugly. Not if there are at least 5 Tiers overall. LOL.
I have no idea if that is a reality or not. Whenever I enter a massage shop or go-go bar, I choose the girl I'm the most attracted to based on looks and whatever I can gauge from her personality in those few seconds, or I leave and look elsewhere if there's no-one I want to pay to bang. I'm paying more or less the same for any girl, so I'm going to choose whoever I like the most.

However, surely you aren't suggesting that getting BBFSCIP without discussion or negotiation from the top 10% or so best lookers in any venue in Thailand is as easy, reliable, routine, hassle-free and low cost as ordering a pizza and actually getting a pizza at any and every Domino's Pizza shop in town, as some here appear to suggest, are you?

No, but I never entertain any long discussion or negotiation either, and I never even mention it before we're in bed, where I simply "go with the flow". Sometimes the girl will stop me, and I will offer her a tip. The longest discussion I ever has is she may say for an extra 2000, and I will respond with for an extra 1000. I don't care to have a longer talk than that.

In the context of the point I was making I am only saying it is more likely a punter who "appears" not to be a serious, high volume player always on the hunt for BBFSCIP with every girl he has sessioned with in 13 years of living in Bangkok and instead "appears" to have just arrived in town and isn't slick and knowledgeable enough about the hobby to have sessioned with anyone yet, might, just might have an edge in getting BBFSCIP from a girl with the killer combination of good looks and the willingness to deliver BBFSCIP with the most promising long term prospect.
I have not tried that, but I doubt it. Might just as well happen upon a girl who thinks she should hold out on the BBFS for a few times to make the punter feel extra super special when she finally allows him, "just for teerak".

Anyhow, it's not worth it for me to spend time devising any elaborate strategies for how to get BBFS with a p4 p-girl, or spend time guessing what they think. What I'm doing now is far from perfect, but works well enough for me now with go-go girls, massage girls, and freelancers, that I expect the sex to be without condom, and sometimes I pick up some new tips and tricks from other reports here. It does not work well enough for me with fiwfans girls yet, where I must do something different I guess, but I do not yet know what that is. Perhaps I'll figure that out in the summer when I visit again.

HorseTrader

04-25-25, 16:54

Has anyone else dealt with this?Yes, sort of. My 2018 Thai girlfriend was desperate for a quick marriage to a western man and I would not provide. She found a European man who quickly got her to Europe in 2019 and married her. Then in 2020, the 2018 girlfriend gathered a few pictures of me and posted them on a part of TikTok where Thai women were looking for western men, I was posted as being highly recommended. My new 2020 Thai girlfriend spotted those pictures and alerted me. The shit hit the fan, but the 2018 girlfriend removed those pictures the day after I told her that I was pissed off.

Werqweq

04-25-25, 20:57

I also don't see why any girl who is popular for all the usual and obvious reasons would give a local expat a discount unless there is something in it for her in the "long game" deal; she knows he will always be around for the quick 1,500 - 2,000 baht no-brainer, one simple Line message score after hours, on her day off or a bar closure holiday and on the way to the mall or to meet her friends for a party.
I guess you would see even less why some of these top go-go girls would fuck local expats completely for free then. Including the very first time when they don't want to leave the after hours club with some dude they see hanging out there trying to pick up girls every weekend, and who everyone knows never pays for sex, and who they instead tell to wait for them outside because they don't want their go-go bar colleague to see them go with someone for free. Or who they message in the morning on the way home, after getting paid 5000 baht (it was worth more 20 years ago) for long-time by some customer, asking if he wants to pick them up and go eat some noodles, before banging them afterwards at his / her place.

Explorer8939

04-25-25, 23:56

EihTooms

04-26-25, 02:12

I guess you would see even less why some of these top go-go girls would fuck local expats completely for free then. Including the very first time when they don't want to leave the after hours club with some dude they see hanging out there trying to pick up girls every weekend, and who everyone knows never pays for sex, and who they instead tell to wait for them outside because they don't want their go-go bar colleague to see them go with someone for free. Or who they message in the morning on the way home, after getting paid 5000 baht (it was worth more 20 years ago) for long-time by some customer, asking if he wants to pick them up and go eat some noodles, before banging them afterwards at his / her place.When I have gotten that treatment it wasn't because I pulled out my "Hey, I'm a local expat" discount card or "Buy 10 Get One Free Card. " They don't hand out those cards the day we sign a 1 year lease on an apartment.

P4 P girls will do that because they have had "time" to know and rely on you as a convenient stop over or place to crash after hours, often when they are too drunk to get home on their own, their girlfriends' place is too crowded and, unfortunately, all too often when they are so tired, sleepy, cranky and fucked out for the night the dude who paid full price at 10 pm got the much better deal. LOL.

That's why I got over it and stopped agreeing to those offers from bargirls years ago.

It is still part of that "time is on our side" factor, which I fully admit exists.

And it is not all upside. As you probably know. The time to pay the piper in terms of Can You Please Help Me With This or Please Help Me With That at all hours will eventually come around too.

Newton York

04-26-25, 04:21

I went to the bar at the Maggie Mays Resort yesterday. There were about 10 ladies, mostly grannies. No customers.

The hotel has 6 rooms open, so if the 6 guests happen to be visiting other bars, the hotel bar is empty.I thought so. There's no way this place can succeed. The whole business plan is just not very viable. Too far away from the action. They can't guarantee hot chicks, and a 2 week minimum stay? That's just ridiculous.

Honestly, it'd be nice if Thailand had the kind of sex resorts that the DR has, but somehow no one has thought of it, or can make it work. I'd love every tropical country in the world that has easy availability of sex to have a Campo Alegre style brothel that Curacao used to have, but alas, no such luck.

Come on dudes. So many of yous here are opening girlie bars left and right all over Thailand, none of you can come up with a Dominican Republic style sex resort? Like a BlackBeards, but better. With all the hot Issan chicks looking for work, surely a sex resort near a beach anywhere in Thailand can succeed?

Mogwai

04-26-25, 07:36

Come on dudes. So many of yous here are opening girlie bars left and right all over Thailand, none of you can come up with a Dominican Republic style sex resort? Like a BlackBeards, but better. With all the hot Issan chicks looking for work, surely a sex resort near a beach anywhere in Thailand can succeed?It already exists. It's called Pattaya.

Werqweq

04-26-25, 10:09

When I have gotten that treatment it wasn't because I pulled out my "Hey, I'm a local expat" discount card or "Buy 10 Get One Free Card. " They don't hand out those cards the day we sign a 1 year lease on an apartment.

P4 P girls will do that because they have had "time" to know and rely on you as a convenient stop over or place to crash after hours, often when they are too drunk to get home on their own, their girlfriends' place is too crowded and, unfortunately, all too often when they are so tired, sleepy, cranky and fucked out for the night the dude who paid full price at 10 pm got the much better deal. LOL.

That's why I got over it and stopped agreeing to those offers from bargirls years ago.

It is still part of that "time is on our side" factor, which I fully admit exists.

And it is not all upside. As you probably know. The time to pay the piper in terms of Can You Please Help Me With This or Please Help Me With That at all hours will eventually come around too.LOL.

I have a lot of problems getting BBFS with fiwfans girls, yet there's some other guy here (can't remember his name now, as I think I blocked him after he went on some moronic tirade in my private mailbox here a while ago), who seems to have little problem with it. I'm not assuming the reason is because the girls he chooses from the now defunct fiwfans pages are so damn much more ugly than the ones I chose from the same pages, though that reason would be slightly more flattering for my ego.

But mai pen rai dude. If you want to continue believing the reason some here, but not all here, are not posting about all the problems they have putting their bare dick inside the majority of p4p pussy they pay for in Thailand is because the girls they choose are more ugly than the ones you choose, that's up to you.

Werqweq

04-26-25, 10:14

It already exists. It's called Pattaya.LOL. That's a funny answer to a silly question.

Explorer8939

04-27-25, 00:50

I am off to Jakarta for a few days.

As usual, as the ladies know I will be gone, they were bombarding me with requests for sessions, especially as the month is ending and they need to pay for their rooms.

One lady has brought her younger sister to Pattaya. The sister plans to work at Makro, but we'll see if she needs more money.

Newton York

04-27-25, 02:06

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46GwJbrMghQ

I'd tell you where I'd go. To Bangkok or Pattaya. To Thailand. A little place on the Gulf of Thailand. You know what the Thais says about the gulf of Thailand?

They say it has no memory.

That's where I want to live for the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory. Open a small girlie bar by the beach. Buy some worthless old boat, fix it up new. Take my girls out. Fucking.

Pa. Ta. Ya. A place like that, I could really get used to things.

I don't think I can make it there though folks.

I've been trapped here in the States most of my life, I'm an institutionalized man now, just like Brooks was.

Hell, I wouldn't even know where to begin. Thailand? Scare me to death something that awesome.

Whatever mistakes I made I paid for it and then some. That bar, that boat. Sex with Thai chicks. I don't think that's too much to ask.

It's just shitty pipe dreams. Thailand is way the hell there and I'm trapped here and that's the way it is.

That's right, it's there and I'm here, I guess it comes down to a simple choice really.

Get busy living or get busy dying.

EihTooms

04-27-25, 03:23

LOL.

I have a lot of problems getting BBFS with fiwfans girls, yet there's some other guy here (can't remember his name now, as I think I blocked him after he went on some moronic tirade in my private mailbox here a while ago), who seems to have little problem with it. I'm not assuming the reason is because the girls he chooses from the now defunct fiwfans pages are so damn much more ugly than the ones I chose from the same pages, though that reason would be slightly more flattering for my ego.

But mai pen rai dude. If you want to continue believing the reason some here, but not all here, are not posting about all the problems they have putting their bare dick inside the majority of p4p pussy they pay for in Thailand is because the girls they choose are more ugly than the ones you choose, that's up to you.Hmm. Well, you're twisting words and my point to suit your own agenda here. But you might also be behind the curve on Fiwfans. Their pages appear to be up and running again:

https://fwfans.com/sideline/%E0%B8%82%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%8D%E0%B8%82%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A7-1

NicFrenchy

04-27-25, 06:56

Hmm. Well, you're twisting words and my point to suit your own agenda here. But you might also be behind the curve on Fiwfans. Their pages appear to be up and running again:

https://fwfans.com/sideline/%E0%B8%82%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%8D%E0%B8%82%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A7-1I was wondering which idiot would post that here, I guess you're it.

They reopened on the low-key for a reason, now that it will get tons of traffic, good luck keeping it another 6 months.

Werqweq

04-27-25, 10:52

Hmm. Well, you're twisting words and my point to suit your own agenda here. But you might also be behind the curve on Fiwfans. Their pages appear to be up and running again:

https://fwfans.com/sideline/%E0%B8%82%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%8D%E0%B8%82%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A7-1Ah, right you are. Thanks man, I might give it a go again in the summer and see if I can up my abysmal success rate there somehow.

Newton York

04-28-25, 02:48

Ok, here's the deal. Yes, he was homeless. But the point is he was in Thailand. Is being homeless in Thailand better than anything in the States? I think the answer is a yes.

I think I might share this guy's fate one day.

He looks like he was a fixture of the Pattaya scene some 10 plus years ago. Anybody remember him? Did he die?

Story begins around 3:33.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnR-CIG0k0Q

I thought I'd feel better about myself by seeing his situation, but he looks genuinely happy. I mean genuinely content and at peace, even though he's homeless. Some say he's not actually homeless. Indeed, truly Thailand is a magical place. Maybe that's where I can finally find rest and peace. And yes, anonymity matters.

"Brooks was here".

EihTooms

04-28-25, 05:02

Ah, right you are. Thanks man, I might give it a go again in the summer and see if I can up my abysmal success rate there somehow.Good luck with that!

I am still hoping for the word to get around to those Fiwfans girls and moderators that there is a more of a market for a BBFS option, they would probably call it Raw or simply say no condom ok on their profiles, than there is for Anal and Pearls stitched into the foreskin of some dudes or whatever the fuck that is. LOL. And with birth control pills, PrEP and a slew of antibiotics available in this Modern World, with far less health risk to both parties. The same as is known to be available either implicitly or explicitly at a few Massage Shops around the city.

Scanning dozens of profiles on that Fiwfans link I have not yet seen one implying such a thing by any girl. Although there are many who don't explicitly state Raw is not allowed while so many others do. So you never know.

Werqweq

04-28-25, 08:18

I was wondering which idiot would post that here, I guess you're it.

They reopened on the low-key for a reason, now that it will get tons of traffic, good luck keeping it another 6 months.Man, that's uncalled for. This forum is for sharing information, not hoarding it.
Have you ever talked to any fiwfans girl saying she gets farang customers? Many look like they're seeing a ghost when they open the door and see my farang face behind it.

If traffic from ISG would account for even 0.001% of their customers I'd be mighty surprised. Suspect anyone here who was using fiwfans before would know about it anyway, from the telegram groups or line accounts that are still busy, but which I don't bother checking since I'm not in Thailand.

Surprised they managed to re-open with the same website / domain though. I expected they'd at least would have to find a new name for it.

Explorer8939

04-28-25, 09:36

I amazed at the guys who have Thai "girlfriends" who themselves don't have Facebook. So they can't see when their Tilac posts photos of them on Facebook.

Or the other stuff. Thai ladies are very good about not showing their Thai boyfriends on FB, but they can't resist posting when a customer takes them to Terminal 21 or Central. Or showing the view from a customer's condo.

EihTooms

04-28-25, 09:53

I was wondering which idiot would post that here, I guess you're it.

They reopened on the low-key for a reason, now that it will get tons of traffic, good luck keeping it another 6 months.It came up as the 2nd result on a Google Search for "Fiwfans".

Was that requested or demanded by them in order to keep their service a secret?

I'd love to know who at Fiwfans told you to "Shhh, keep this low-key, we don't really want any customers. We'd rather go out of business for lack of customers than have somebody find us as the top 1-2 results on an ordinary Google Search and upset someone who might shut us down. " LOL.

EihTooms

04-28-25, 10:36

Man, that's uncalled for. This forum is for sharing information, not hoarding it.
Have you ever talked to any fiwfans girl saying she gets farang customers? Many look like they're seeing a ghost when they open the door and see my farang face behind it.

If traffic from ISG would account for even 0.001% of their customers I'd be mighty surprised. Suspect anyone here who was using fiwfans before would know about it anyway, from the telegram groups or line accounts that are still busy, but which I don't bother checking since I'm not in Thailand.

Surprised they managed to re-open with the same website / domain though. I expected they'd at least would have to find a new name for it.Can you imagine anyone saying something so silly on a site like this?

First of all, they were closed down before for a reason they should have been closed down. And it wasn't because they had too many customers.

Note this is highlighted prominently on their opening page:

"FWFANS! For those aged 20 and over only. ".

Maybe that complainer disapproves of a shop or service being closed down for the reason they were closed down before. Avoid repeating that reason and they won't be closed down for it again.

Second, I don't recall exactly how their opening page looked before but if you look closely they are not calling themselves "Fiwfans", spelled exactly that way in every instance. See the quote I posted above. Although that page did come up as the 2nd result on an ordinary Google Search before I even finished typing "Fiwf".

And, third, although I have never read a FR or heard a personal testimonial that describes a Real Sex session of DFK, BBBJ and BBFSCIP with a genuinely young and good-looking Fiwfans girl on a first session that compares with the many I have read, heard and experienced with any number of Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy or Patpong gogo bargirls over the years, it is certainly good for this hobby's market for as many potential customers, punters and, most importantly, providers all across the industry to know that at least some version of naked intercourse is available within a short distance of all other P4 P options, with attractive young ladies, that can be had for less than 1,500 baht all in instead of 3,000 plus plus plus baht and how to access it is NOT kept a deep dark secret.

Nor do the operators of the service want it to be kept a deep dark secret. Obviously.

Competition for pricing and service is never a bad thing, gentlemen.

Mr Enternational

04-28-25, 13:31

I amazed at the guys who have Thai "girlfriends" who themselves don't have Facebook. So they can't see when their Tilac posts photos of them on Facebook.Why should they care? Everyone is not as nosy as you. Some people have their hands full keeping up with their own life than to constantly worry about what others are getting up to. I have facebook, but would never add a current significant other to it. They are involved with the real me. They do not need to be overloaded with the virtual me, nor I them.

I have tons of exes on there but I do not feel inclined to go peeking around to see what they are doing everyday. If there is ever a time I want to know that, I can just send them a message and ask.

Have you seen the shit most people put on facebook anyway? It is just a bunch of garbage that somebody else sent them. I am not in the market of anxiously awaiting the next affirmation with flowers every 5 minutes. The website was much better when it was used as a tool for university students, but I understand that money is responsible for dumbing it down as a pastime for the masses.

SubCmdr

04-28-25, 14:35

As for the set up to meet girls. Thailand gets annoying really quick with the bar fines and the girls grabbing you only to want you to buy them girl drinks. I actually prefer the Sosua set up where girls mostly leave you alone and it's up to you to pick them.You have to purchase drinks for girls in the regular nightclubs, Beach Road and on Thai Friendly?

Werqweq

04-28-25, 16:22

Good luck with that!

I am still hoping for the word to get around to those Fiwfans girls and moderators that there is a more of a market for a BBFS option, they would probably call it Raw or simply say no condom ok on their profiles, than there is for Anal and Pearls stitched into the foreskin of some dudes or whatever the fuck that is. LOL. And with birth control pills, PrEP and a slew of antibiotics available in this Modern World, with far less health risk to both parties. The same as is known to be available either implicitly or explicitly at a few Massage Shops around the city.

Scanning dozens of profiles on that Fiwfans link I have not yet seen one implying such a thing by any girl. Although there are many who don't explicitly state Raw is not allowed while so many others do. So you never know.I've seen one or two fiwfans profiles that said BBFS, but that's out of hundreds I've viewed. I doubt that's an idea that's going to take off anytime soon, and I'm not even sure the majority of those who do seek BBFS would choose the minority of girls who advertise BBFS to all and sundry.

EihTooms

04-28-25, 17:25

I've seen one or two fiwfans profiles that said BBFS, but that's out of hundreds I've viewed. I doubt that's an idea that's going to take off anytime soon, and I'm not even sure the majority of those who do seek BBFS would choose the minority of girls who advertise BBFS to all and sundry.I remember a time, not long ago actually, when the idea of girls in a Happy Ending Massage Shop and on its website no less stating they were OK with BBFS was impossible for long time afficionados of those venues to believe would ever happen.

Then it happened.

Then those websites tried a different way of stating it, perhaps for the sake of cultural image or perhaps for the sake of clarity. Maybe now it is only implied that it is available with some girls. The market will find a way. Regardless, it continued and soon became generally accepted as a perfectly legitimate option to ask for at those shops.

And I think the ease about asking for it has likely spread to other shops and venues. It used to be this terrible thing every manager, mamasan and provider or at least the vast majority of them would recoil in horror over simply being asked about it. Not anymore.

Similar to asking a Thai person on the street where we can score some weed up until 2-3 years ago. LOL.

So after some shops and venues moved into the Modern World of allowing the girls who would be ok with it to say so online or admit it openly at the shops, other girls had to notice that the 15% or so of the providers at their shop who did offer it and make more money from it than they were making otherwise were also managing not to get pregnant, not to die, not to contract incurable, life-altering diseases or be put out of commission due to illness for any time at all.

This is the first I'm hearing of any profile on Fiwfans stating no condom is ok. Even 2 out of hundreds can prove to be the acorn from which a mighty oak grows.

Explorer8939

04-29-25, 03:12

Why should they care? Everyone is not as nosy as you. Some people have their hands full keeping up with their own life than to constantly worry about what others are getting up to. I have facebook, but would never add a current significant other to it. They are involved with the real me. They do not need to be overloaded with the virtual me, nor I them.

I have tons of exes on there but I do not feel inclined to go peeking around to see what they are doing everyday. If there is ever a time I want to know that, I can just send them a message and ask.

Have you seen the shit most people put on facebook anyway? It is just a bunch of garbage that somebody else sent them. I am not in the market of anxiously awaiting the next affirmation with flowers every 5 minutes. The website was much better when it was used as a tool for university students, but I understand that money is responsible for dumbing it down as a pastime for the masses.You are missing the point:

Lots of guys have a Thai "girlfriend" they send money to. But few ever check the Facebook of their girlfriend to see what they are doing.

Case in point: I knew a bargirl who had a Farang giving her 30 K a month. She told him that she was going to live in the temple for a month. Instead, she went to Brazil with me. And posted on FB every day. The "boyfriend" never checked.

On the flip side, a bargirl professed her eternal love for me and talked about a future together. I checked her FB and found her current Thai husband, dutifully waiting for her to come back to Isaan with a bunch of money.

She eventually did find a sucker, and returned to Isaan with 9 million baht.

BHawk

04-29-25, 22:12

I've been looking for a chance to session with Thai pornstars, but it seems difficult.

- Nong Natt. Well, she is a star. So I guess she won't do it.

- Tittiporn. Might be too old by now.

- "Bali". I've seen her working with real estate in Pattaya. Married with kids, so she is probably off market.

- Kookik. Adore her. Don't know if her vids are old.

- Baloon. Beautiful.

(- Praew. OF girl with big tits. Tried to invite her on OF but no success).

Kookik and Baloon might be the most likely to be able to take out. But how can they be reached?

I'd pay 10 x standard rate to session with them.

In general: Any good idea on how to investigate whether pornstars can be booked?

Mr Enternational

04-30-25, 03:01

You are missing the point:

Lots of guys have a Thai "girlfriend" they send money to. But few ever check the Facebook of their girlfriend to see what they are doing.

Case in point: I knew a bargirl who had a Farang giving her 30 K a month. She told him that she was going to live in the temple for a month. Instead, she went to Brazil with me. And posted on FB every day. The "boyfriend" never checked.I think you are missing the point. You assume everyone else cares as much as you do. You said the chick is a prostitute. You do not think this man knows this? He met her the same way that you did.

When I was in the navy I was at a Filipina named Wendy's crib cuddling with her on the couch. Her husband (an American White guy who was also in the Navy) came home from work, said Hello, and walked right upstairs. In those days we did not have any facebook to be spying on chicks. That man already knew his wife was the base door knob. But it is obvious that he did not care as much as you would have wanted him to. Stay out of mf's business!

On the show Shameless the gay guy goes to a guy's home and calls himself telling the man's wife that her husband has been fucking him and giving him money. The wife said well who the fuck do you think is giving him the money to do it? He was not telling her anything that she did not already know and she was the one facilitating him to do it. All the guy did was fuck it up for himself by overplaying his role.

Why do you continue to overplay your role believing it is your duty to make it known to the world that someone has a boyfriend, husband, or sponsor? Know your role and stay out of mf's business! You gossip more than a broad.

Mr Enternational

04-30-25, 03:09

I'd pay 10 x standard rate to session with them.

In general: Any good idea on how to investigate whether pornstars can be booked?Why not get a chick and make her a porn star yourself? You could save 10 times the money. A pornstar is only a normal chick that someone put makeup on and gave them a nice hairstyle and got them to fuck on camera. There is nothing mysterious or fantastic about them. Chicks are pornstars because they were broke and took up their last resort of someone paying them to fuck on film. No need to put them on a pedestal.

SubCmdr

04-30-25, 13:43

The problem is a girl agreeing to BBBJ doesn't usually mean CIM. You start leaking jizz and she's going to assume you're about to explode in her mouth or even that you're orgasming right now. So best to specify CIM beforehand. Most girls (at least the young pretty ones) will refuse but there's still a good number who will do it.It is very simple to just ask:

Can I finish in your mouth?

One of the advantages I have found to asking up front is if a girl does not like it they will often allow you to finish in their pussy instead.

SubCmdr

04-30-25, 13:51

Why not get a chick and make her a porn star yourself? You could save 10 times the money. A pornstar is only a normal chick that someone put makeup on and gave them a nice hairstyle and got them to fuck on camera. There is nothing mysterious or fantastic about them. Chicks are pornstars because they were broke and took up their last resort of someone paying them to fuck on film. No need to put them on a pedestal.The reason why people don't make their OWN porn stars is the the same reason why they only believe a prostitute is pretty if they pay them 2 to 3 times the market rate.

Currently it is low season in Pattaya. On Thai Friendly Price for short time is 1000 - 2000 THB. 2000 is 500 over market rate. 1000 is 500 under market rate. 1500 is market rate. Now those who want to believe girls that are willing to prostitute themselves for market prices are ugly so be it.

Your time; Your money; Your dick; Your call!

Let me add that if you hire your prostitute off of Thai Friendly there are no Lady Drinks to buy or Bar Fines to pay.

Explorer8939

05-01-25, 00:44

I think you are missing the point. You assume everyone else cares as much as you do. You said the chick is a prostitute. You do not think this man knows this? He met her the same way that you did.

When I was in the navy I was at a Filipina named Wendy's crib cuddling with her on the couch. Her husband (an American White guy who was also in the Navy) came home from work, said Hello, and walked right upstairs. In those days we did not have any facebook to be spying on chicks. That man already knew his wife was the base door knob. But it is obvious that he did not care as much as you would have wanted him to. Stay out of mf's business!

On the show Shameless the gay guy goes to a guy's home and calls himself telling the man's wife that her husband has been fucking him and giving him money. The wife said well who the fuck do you think is giving him the money to do it? He was not telling her anything that she did not already know and she was the one facilitating him to do it. All the guy did was fuck it up for himself by overplaying his role.

Why do you continue to overplay your role believing it is your duty to make it known to the world that someone has a boyfriend, husband, or sponsor? Know your role and stay out of mf's business! You gossip more than a broad.Most sponsors and Farang "boyfriends" would be very angry if "their" Thai lady were going with other Farangs.

Case in point: I built a karaoke rack for a bargirl who likes to sing when she comes to my condo. I posted a photo of it on Facebook and tagged her so she could see it.

Her Swedish sponsor saw it and blocked her (one guy who does use Facebook). He was angry for a week.

I had a lady over last night who told me that a customer promised her 1,000 a day if she would live with him and not go with any other Farangs.

I can't think of a customer boyfriend who is okay with "his" bargirl going with other men. When I travel abroad with a bargirl, her big concern is hiding her location when he makes a call to her.

But she will post photos of her travels because her customer boyfriend doesn't use Facebook.

Explorer8939

05-01-25, 04:36

I had a lady over last night who was having a big sad, because her latest Farang "boyfriend" blew her off. He began the relationship with implied promises of big money, maybe a condo, living together, the usual bullshit. That generated into multi-day cohabitation at 1000 baht per day, until he had his fill and "broke up" with her.

She consoled herself by doing an all nighter with a young Turkish guy, but when she came to my condo her "boyfriend" blocked her online.

I tried to explain the concept of karma to her, but she wasn't worried about that, she was worried about how to confront her boyfriend. Because nothing attracts a man more than standing outside his condo screaming at him.

Anyway, it was a busted night for me, and I sent her out to go look for another customer.

EihTooms

05-01-25, 06:12

It is very simple to just ask:

Can I finish in your mouth?

One of the advantages I have found to asking up front is if a girl does not like it they will often allow you to finish in their pussy instead.I generally include BBBJCIM in my upfront negotiations for the same reason. And as a backup position counter offer if the girl refuses to agree upfront to. BBFSCIP.

For one thing, I very much like BBBJCIM so it is definitely no hardship for me if the girl winds up doing that for me instead of BBFSCIP.

And for another thing, I totally understand a new girl's reluctance to agree upfront to engaging in BBFSCIP with a man she has just met several minutes earlier. And there is that whole "saving Face" Asian thing. So even if she is inclined to feel comfortable with me and a part of her feels fine about fucking me bareback until I finish inside her pussy, it might be that she just can't bring herself to say so upfront and so soon. I get that.

So my countering with, "How about BBBJCIM" gives her an alternate way to agree upfront to something I want and will pay her for while also giving her more time with me to change her mind about BBFSCIP.

And, sure enough, very often by the time we have chatted and laughed over whatever on the way to my room, after she has had more time to feel good about me, after she has seen that I am not a filthy slob with dirty socks strewn across my bed, half-eaten tuna sandwiches sitting on my dresser and that I am not nearly as horrible looking naked as she first suspected, and considering giving a good blowjob is generally more work and effort than getting fucked BBFSCIP, the girls' attitude about agreeing to BBFSCIP can and often does change.

Again, worst case scenario is she gives me a BBBJCIM. Not a bad outcome for me at all.

SubCmdr

05-02-25, 01:27

This dumbfuck doesn't understand it. He had to buy a motorbike to pick up his Beach Road and Soi 6 uglies and get around town. He can't figure out the circular bus routes.I do not ever remember saying I could not get around using the Baht Bus. I have been posted up here for more time some have visited Pattaya over 10 a ten year period. But I am not one to live in the Glory Days (the way things were 25 years ago, who actually gives a fuck). I would like to discuss current experiences. That is the difference between me and many others posting here. I live in the present. A motorbike provides you with options. It is also very dangerous. I took a course from a professional school. The same school that is the official training center for Harley Davidson in Thailand. Completely uncertain why he OP has the perception that those who rent / purchase a motorbike do not know how to use the Baht Bus routes. I still use the Baht Bus today (even though I own a motorbike) if my destination is on a Baht Bus route.

Yes. Blue Isuzu or Toyota Trucks will Honk non stop at you. They come by all the time. Caution! If you are unable to CLIMB into the back of these trucks easily. Be careful when getting out. The PAX and driver will Rush you. And you need to do a 360 turn and whip around and pay the Driver 10 Baht. Us fat guys will recognize the potential to Twist your ankle or pop your knees while being squished in like Cattle when those baht busses are full and they slam the brakes and expect you to walk out and pay within 4 seconds like an athlete. The locals didn't like my Fat ass pushing the Stop button at Soi 6 - and bracing myself to get out - but just know, if you have a hard time walking. It is a mild Step Down from that Baht But truck to the pavement!

Note: Yes I am fat and working on that issue. But I would NOT recommend climbing in and out of Baht Busses if you have leg issues (or mobility issues!) . Just Order a Bolt! - just my opinion!I believe that the Baht Bus lines serve their purpose. The are uncomfortable. Can be dangerous if you have mobility problems. But I note that I have seen many individuals that mobility problems use the Baht Bus without problem. Individuals who ride the them know what time it is. Will help others, give up seats and squeeze together in order to help other fellow passengers out. I have instructed people on when to get out at their stops and have escorted people to locations when we are going in the same direction. I have had excellent conversations with people on the Baht Bus. I have very pleasant memories of using them as a means of transportation.

You see I don't have my nose in the air because I fly business class to Thailand. I am perfectly comfortable being a man of the people. But now I have three options for transportation. Baht Bus (10 THB), Bolt (100 - 200 THB), my personal motorbike purchased with profits from trading in the US Stock Market (free).

Explorer8939

05-02-25, 02:07

At the moment, I have a very popular MILF in the condo, asleep. She has to chose her customers, there are so many offers.

She left her phone in the living room, and it is making noises constantly from wannabe boyfriends, other ladies and family, and her young Thai boyfriend.

She is mentally exhausted from years of working bar, and has zero interest in sex (she claims she doesn't fuck her boyfriend, but I translate to mean she doesn't have interest in fucking, but if she doesn't, he will beat her). Of course, she will fuck customers, but she prefers guys who don't fuck much.

Explorer8939

05-02-25, 02:09

A heads up: the ladies all know the news about the Chinese cannibal who barfined a post-op ladyboy and killed her. He cleaned up the hotel room, headed back to China, but was apprehended at Suvarnabhumi.

So, the ladies are apprehensive about new customers for a while.

Explorer8939

05-02-25, 06:38

I discovered a downside of paying a lady via bank transfer:

If you hand a lady actual cash, she will almost immediately leave.

If you transfer her money, it doesn't send the same signal, and she may hang around. Last night's lady hung around so long that my morning lady showed up and I fucked her in the bedroom while last night's lady lazed on the living room sofa.

GentileBear

05-03-25, 01:41

Explorer8939

05-03-25, 04:10

One reason that I mention ladies having a Thai boyfriend is that they are generally zero in the horniness department.

If they can afford a Thai boyfriend, that means they have plenty of customers (assuming they have been working for a while). So, that translates into fucking at the job and fucking at home.

As a result, they are often burned out on sex, they can do it, but aren't into it. Over the long haul, it means they don't have so much interest in LT, because that presents the threat of long fuck sessions. Or, they will feign illness to get out of fucking.

It's not that they have physical problems with sex, they are burned out mentally. Kind of like when a guy is burned out on fucking the same lady. You just don't want to do it anymore, but you can.

Trevor2522

05-03-25, 10:51

Newish Toyota Corolla with automatic toll transponder, and a sedate, mature driver. Paid B1,200 cash and no tip required. Even loaded my 20 Kg suitcase into the boot. They can also take passengers into Bangkok city and hotel for B1,500. The agent will be waiting at arrivals exit 3, with your name on a board. Car was waiting upstairs, via escalator, at departure level (lifts are very slow & overcrowded). Better to use a reliable company, than try to save B100 on a potential old-banger, driven by a maniac!

https://www.pattaya-transfer.com/

Exchange cash in the airport 'B' (basement / train) level. Superrich gives best rates, especially for larger, clean bills. Matches closely to ATM rate after fees. Their head office in Rajdamri Road in Bangkok pays the best rates but several branches in Bangkok (none in Pattaya).

Werqweq

05-03-25, 20:01

I find it cool that the King of Thailand is able to land his aircraft in Bhutan. Bhutan is a CRASH and DIE but hopefully not airport that makes the list of one of the top 10 dangerous airports in the world. He was in the left seat and the Queen in the right. Apparently he would require to be type rated for IFR, multi engine, 737-800, etc. This kicks the balls out of North Korea's Kim Jong Un who shows himself "flying" but another real pilot is in the right seat.
Yeah, it seems cool, but ...

From what I remember reading he trained as a fighter pilot in the Thai air force. Less cool is that the thai people, with good reason afaik, stopped standing up in cinemas to show their respect once the current king took over after his father passed away. Before that, thai people would always stand up in the cinemas while they played the royal anthem before the movie started. First couple of years after he became king, less and less people did it, and the last couple of years, nobody does it anymore.

SubCmdr

05-03-25, 23:42

Normal massage shops have an internal queue system, so the next customer is normally given to the next woman / girl in their queue, and often they take turns about who's sitting inside, though I don't doubt some are aware it's beneficial to have the more pretty ones sitting outside and take advantage of that. Anyway, you don't need to bother yourself with their internal queue. Just point out who you want to massage you, or even easier, just tell her while you're still outside, "you massage me, polite smile" like I do. Usually they'll repeat what you said somewhat loud to make it clear they're not trying to skip in line and get a customer ahead of who would normally have gotten him.Here in Pattaya

Normal massage shops I don't worry about the queue. Naughty massage shops I do exactly as you do Werqweg. And I use the exact same phrasing. It should also be noted I a lot of massage girls operate on Thai Friendly. I make an appointment to come to the shop or they offer to come to my room.

SubCmdr

05-04-25, 00:12

Register your mobile phone number, selfie and payment card with Grab. About 5 different vehicle rates are offered, depending on wait time and size. Forget the song-tiaows / Thai Jeepneys: dangerous boarding / departing amongst moving traffic, and jerky rides. Grab/Bolt/Uber are the best things to happen to the taxi trade since horse-drawn Hansom Cabs.You are suggesting that an individual pay up to 8 - 10 times for a trip by using Grab / Bolt instead of the Baht Bus.

I will also add that in the entire time I have been posted up in Pattaya the worst thing that happened to me is I handed the driver a 20 baht note expecting change and the driver just took it and drove off. I lost 10 bath and that is significant for me because that is another entire Baht Bus Ride. Hundreds of thousand people ride the Baht Bus each year. I want you to point out the number news articles you have read regarding someone dying in a Baht Bus accident. Then compare that to the number of people that die every year due to motorcycle accidents.

Pussy

I report the fact that I pay 1000 - 2000 THB for Short Time and individuals say I am only fucking ugly prostitutes.

In other News the girls in Pattaya are still old and ugly. I snagged a 20 year old from beach road the other night with zero English for 1,000 baht which at the current crappy exchange rate is $30.You hold USD. Unhappy with the exchange rate. Petition for redress of your grievances with your government. ROFMAO. The price you paid is on the low end of the range of street market prices here in Pattaya.

Your numbers don't add up bro!

So with an average local salary of about $461 a month this is 6. 5% so that means a streetwalker hooker in the USA where we make $5,000 a month should be. $325. I don't know any place where they are that much so I guess Pattaya even at $30 is overpriced. Go into the bars and good luck coming out for less than $120.This makes no sense to me. Are you equating the money you make as a business owner in the Dis-United States of America to the rate of pay for sexual services on the streets of Pattaya?

Pattaya is also broken as the old women resist kissing! Straight up money "Vulture Culture".Straight fucking no kissing. If you want to kiss get a girlfriend.

Oh, that's nasty!

Lastly, what are issues with people who need pictures with posts? Other than to gratify personal ego needs or allow others to be even more critical of others over their personal choices of how to spend their money and who to fuck, what purpose does posting pictures actually serve?

The objective is to nut!

Explorer8939

05-04-25, 00:23

Because of Thailand's declining birth rate, the average age of bar girls is rising.

In the old days, babies were born when the mothers were very young, and the Thai fathers would bail after a couple of years. That left the mother with few options, going to Pattaya being one of them.

Now ladies in Isaan don't have babies until they are in their 20's, so they may be 30 when the Thai man flees.

Newton York

05-04-25, 07:01

I remember seeing a video about that too. Somehow Thailand of all countries has a declining birth rate. That's just too weird.

Ah, here found it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzUqwweXwY0&t=145s

Asia's most trusted news source, CNA.

Apparently, Thailand will be one of the first countries in the world to get 'old' before getting 'rich'.

Anyway, I'd worry if I was younger, but at my age now, doesn't make a difference to me cause most of the working ladies, whatever age they may be in Thailand, is still younger than me *sigh* I'm so old. Anyway, I much prefer to bang Thai chicks in their early 20's. But I'll be happy with the chicks in their 30's. I draw the line at 40's, but if they look like Cherie Deville hot, then why not? A good MILF is a good MILF.

Philip Marlow

05-04-25, 08:12

Yeah, it seems cool, but ...

From what I remember reading he trained as a fighter pilot in the Thai air force. Weird the king and queen fly together. Some years ago, I saw two identical 747's side by side at our local Air Force base. White with a red stripe around the body, and a large red dot on the tail. The Emperor and Empress of Japan were visiting. Each on their own plane. It would have catastrophic for Japan to lose one of them in an accident, but both at the same time?

SubCmdr

05-04-25, 08:45

Weird the king and queen fly together. Some years ago, I saw two identical 747's side by side at our local Air Force base. White with a red stripe around the body, and a large red dot on the tail. The Emperor and Empress of Japan were visiting. Each on their own plane. It would have catastrophic for Japan to lose one of them in an accident, but both at the same time?There are many different reasons that the Emperor and Empress would be traveling on their own plane. One is solving logistical problem. The Emperor and Empress of Japan might have had separate itinerary's that required them to fly separately. Second reason, the other plane you saw as a back up. Some countries got it like that. Japan is a rich country. I hear the Dis United States of America has two planes to fly POTUS around.

As for the King of Thailand he can fly a plane because he is a REAL MAN! Real men fly planes and ride motorcycles. Some of us men got it. Others well they are like this guy.

When Japanese and Korean guys are present, the rest of us have problems competing with them too.

Newton York

05-05-25, 02:52

Now that's a MILF.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/3017807/twist-in-nong-cartoon-crash-saga

Thai news is best read when in Thailand itself, feels way more authentic that way. Finding out about Thai stuff all the way from here, that just kinda sucks. I can't feel the kinship and closeness I otherwise would with the Thai babes.

Explorer8939

05-05-25, 04:49

I have cut back ladies to one per day, they come at night.

Two a day were taking a toll on me, mostly due to two drinking sessions per day, but two fucks every day wore me down.

I don't have a vacation coming to an end, so I don't have to cram as many ladies as possible into my schedule. The only forcing factor is when a lady is broke and calls me looking for a customer. As a result, I am seeing ladies in my rotation once a week.

I have had a couple of nominal nights with ladies, nothing bad, nothing great. Just a little drinking, sex and sleep. No drama.

EihTooms

05-05-25, 19:34

NicFrenchy

05-06-25, 11:15

Busted for age-related issues, still staffed by a foreigner, practically the same website name, so similar it came up immediately on a Google SearchDidn't see that one coming.

There are a lot of similar websites, most only in Thai, but they're not sor sharing here because I'm fairly sure the BIB are reading this forum.

EihTooms

05-06-25, 17:12

Didn't see that one coming.

There are a lot of similar websites, most only in Thai, but they're not sor sharing here because I'm fairly sure the BIB are reading this forum.Weeks before I posted that fiwfans pages "might" be up and running again since the wording on the domain was different but apparently not different enough, the new site had already established a presence on BlueSky, the fastest growing competitor to social platforms like Facebook, X, formerly Twitter, Instagram and so on.

Everything they did seemed directed to being seen, investigated and shut down by Thai authorities again. The previous incarnation was cited and discussed here for years without being hassled.

There are PSE shops with entire threads devoted to them here that have never been shut down.

Aside from the blatantly obvious public advertising of virtually no other service except "waters", "splits" and all the other weird English translations for actual sex, the big difference for the enterprise that got shut down vs the ones still openly discussed here and not shut down is there were third party interlopers fielding, screening and raking off a portion of the P4P exchange. Otherwise known as pimping and "living off the proceeds of prostitution" without being the one doing any of the fucking and sucking.

Those are some of the behaviors that are clearly stated in all of the Thai Penal Codes as being illegal.

But notice none of the girls or their tracable customers were arrested for doing anything illegal. Only the 10 or so pimps who got between the customers and the girls and raked off a cut were arrested.

Those girls ought to ge able to figure out how to get their photos and profiles seen by customers on various "dating" sites without a third party interloper deciding who meets them, what they should or shouldn't do for them and for how much. Or at least their new pimps ought to be able to connect them with customers with a whole lot less interference and just collect a set fee for renting a room for "massage" or for advertising their "massage" services online.

NicFrenchy

05-06-25, 18:08

But notice none of the girls or their tracable customers were arrested for doing anything illegal. Only the 10 or so pimps who got between the customers and the girls and raked off a cut were arrested.My post was sarcastic, of course it was bound to happen. Notice they also did not go after all the people online publicly promoting that said fraudulent platform as a place to meet girls. They could have, it would be easy to trace as well.

On social media, many Freelancers use Facebook and Instagram to promote their X page (where explicit content is allowed), TikTok is also starting to emerge with a lot of girls dancing with a skimp t-shirt and no bra underneath but in their profile promoting their X page.

X is strange though because not all girls will accept "Work" as they call it (appointments) but many have locked pages where they pose fully naked and give access for a fee (bypasses the OF commission as well and less risky).

Many girls on X will completely ignore foreigners, and if they give you the time of day is because your profile is complete and has a few photos. I've been successful with a few, but they are very far outside center BKK.

Werqweq

05-06-25, 19:24

Aside from the blatantly obvious public advertising of virtually no other service except "waters", "splits" and all the other weird English translations for actual sex, the big difference for the enterprise that got shut down vs the ones still openly discussed here and not shut down is there were third party interlopers fielding, screening and raking off a portion of the P4P exchange. Otherwise known as pimping and "living off the proceeds of prostitution" without being the one doing any of the fucking and sucking.
Not sure what you mean. In fiwfans the "agent"/pimp/whatever gets a cut of the money, and the girl the rest. At the shops, the shop gets a cut, and the girl the rest. What's the "big difference" here?

If anything, the fiwfans pimps maintain a much greater distance, as you don't ever give the money to them, only to the girl. Obviously they had no luck arguing "what the girl does with the money afterwards is her business. If she, out of the goodness of hear heat, bless her soul, wants to donate some to me, that's up to her", but that argument is not even possible in the case of shops.

I have no facts and don't even live in Thailand anymore, but my guess is that fiwfans got shut down because they a) were getting rather noticeable and big in terms of revenue, and b) did not grease the right, or most likely, any palms.

Unlike the shops, which I believe are licensed (not directly as wh0rehouses, but somewhat similar), and where the bib can easily ride up on their bikes to whatever shops is in their jurisdiction, and make the monthly inspection pleasant or not so pleasant, all while collecting their "fee", that's probably a bit more difficult to do in case of fiwfans. Possibly they did manage to find someone somewhere under 20 with a fake ID amongst the thousands of girls offering their service there, but I'm sure that was just the excuse used.

EihTooms

05-06-25, 21:06

Not sure what you mean. In fiwfans the "agent"/pimp/whatever gets a cut of the money, and the girl the rest. At the shops, the shop gets a cut, and the girl the rest. What's the "big difference" here?

If anything, the fiwfans pimps maintain a much greater distance, as you don't ever give the money to them, only to the girl. Obviously they had no luck arguing "what the girl does with the money afterwards is her business. If she, out of the goodness of hear heat, bless her soul, wants to donate some to me, that's up to her", but that argument is not even possible in the case of shops.

I have no facts and don't even live in Thailand anymore, but my guess is that fiwfans got shut down because they a) were getting rather noticeable and big in terms of revenue, and b) did not grease the right, or most likely, any palms.

Unlike the shops, which I believe are licensed (not directly as wh0rehouses, but somewhat similar), and where the bib can easily ride up on their bikes to whatever shops is in their jurisdiction, and make the monthly inspection pleasant or not so pleasant, all while collecting their "fee", that's probably a bit more difficult to do in case of fiwfans. Possibly they did manage to find someone somewhere under 20 with a fake ID amongst the thousands of girls offering their service there, but I'm sure that was just the excuse used.When I do a search on a free and public website for, say, Tulip and Snow White, it appears the only service for which the person collecting your money at the counter might get a cut is some vague thingy called "an erotic massage". If that. Tulip doesn't even have a public website.

That is the buffer of public deniability that has kept those two shops whose girls, some at least, presumably, do indeed provide more Real Sex to more customers in a week than many of those fiwfans princesses do in a year if not in their entire P4 P careers, open.

I barely recall "massage" even appearing very prominently on the fiwfans site. It starts with something about not accepting "pearls" stitched into their customers' dicks or whatever the hell that is and moves to surcharges for "splits in mouth" and extra "waters", etc, all of which must be more definitive as Sex / P4 P in Thai language.

That is what defines the money collectors for the fiwfans business model as "pimps" but the managers / mamasans at Tulip and Snow White merely as "massage shops managers. ".

Publicly, that is. Which dodges that whole "shamefully and publicly advertising or offering prostitution" crime section cited in the Thai Penal Code.

Explorer8939

05-07-25, 01:35

I was talking to a 20 year veteran bargirl last night in Passion Club, she was having problems with her Thai boyfriend. His mother wanted more money, and if she didn't get it, she ordered her son to stay with her. So, if the bargirl wanted to get laid, she had to pay the mother.

NicFrenchy

05-07-25, 11:08

That is what defines the money collectors for the fiwfans business model as "pimps" but the managers / mamasans at Tulip and Snow White merely as "massage shops managers. ".

Publicly, that is. Which dodges that whole "shamefully and publicly advertising or offering prostitution" crime section cited in the Thai Penal Code.There are websites that fully resemble Fiwfans and are hosted in Europe. With hundreds of Thai girls operating in BKK and some other Thai regions.

Explorer8939

05-07-25, 11:15

I've got 2 ladies who are sort of trying to rope me into an exclusive relationship.

One is doing the standard bargirl approach: constant messages, lots of heart emojis, the usual stuff. She's a freelancer, but lazy, so she would rather just nail down a current customer.

The other is constantly fighting with her Thai boyfriend, and preparing to make a move. She has learned to cook Eggs Benedict and will bring some to my place.

Of course, I'm not going to fall for either.

EihTooms

05-07-25, 20:37

There are websites that fully resemble Fiwfans and are hosted in Europe. With hundreds of Thai girls operating in BKK and some other Thai regions.Would they pop up on a Google Search by name? Have they established a presence on X, Facebook and / or Bluesky, as fiwfans / fwfans did?

I would say the "openly and shamefully offering prostitution in public" qualifier is the Thai Penal Code offense the BIB are looking for and for which the authorities can easily indict as a crime. I mean, leaving aside age, improper visa and / or forced prostitution-related issues. Of course, if a post is made here alerting the BIB that there is a venue or service that could be worthy of being investigated and shutdown, I suppose the BIB might very well have no choise but to follow up on the tip.

Otherwise, I am not sure a site like ISG qualifies as the kind of "public" platform where unsuspecting respectable passersby might unadvertantly be exposed to and meet that "openly and shamefully in public" standard.

First of all, respectable people don't shop around on ISG looking for what to do and where to dine tonight. Not "respectable" in the way the kingdom broadly defines it for the purposes of keeping the activity as reasonably descrite as possible. By the time you have entered ISG and clicked into this or any number of other forums and threads there is no chance you are going to be shocked, shocked to discover prostitution is going on in this place as though you were just walking on your way to the mall or your hotel and there it was.

But if someone types "fiw" into the Google Search box and in the first 1-2 results up pops an array of photos with profiles explicitly stating how much for 1 "mouth split" and 1 "water" without "pearls" stitched into your dick right in the heart of Bangkok the authorities probably consider that just two steps away from shouting it out on the corner of Sukhumvit and Asoke outside of Terminal 21.

And perhaps they feel the same about Telegram, Line and other international social network apps.

As opposed to what is discussed on this site, which they might consider roughly the same as a mamasan in a Happy Ending Massage Spa showing the prospective customer a menu that, sure enough, lists BJ, HJ and FS packages.

NicFrenchy

05-09-25, 01:42

First of all, respectable people don't shop around on ISG looking for what to do and where to dine tonight. Not "respectable" in the way the kingdom broadly defines it for the purposes of keeping the activity as reasonably descrite as possible.I see where you are going with this, and this makes sense. Places do not advertise themselves but girls do. All over Facebook, IG, TikTok. They are just low-key directing people to their page on X, which has mostly 2 things:

1. They are just selling their locked X page where all their nudes are.

2. Selling "work" as they put it, giving their Line and Telegram page.

Majority of these girls are incall, and reluctant to make appointments with foreigners.

Explorer8939

05-09-25, 03:22

Last night's lady got so drunk, she had to summon her Thai husband to take her home (instead of taking Bolt). Unfortunately, he showed up with a motorcycle and she was very unsteady.

I suspect things went badly once she got home.

Her boyfriend patiently waited as she made her way from the condo reception area down to his moto. I suspect that 100% of her earnings last night ended up in his pocket.

Newton York

05-09-25, 04:42

I trawl for Thailand news every day, cause I'm so desperate for all things Thai. Cause everything sucks here in Merica! Anyway, this trashbag of a human being insulted Thailand by claiming 'her money built Thailand'. Can you imagine that? But somehow no one outside of Thailand knew about it. It took Thailand's main news outlet 'Thaiger' a whole week to pick up this story. Finally.

I was looking all over youtube for someone to talk about her and nothing. Not a soul. Doesn't anybody care about Thailand and all the shitty tourists besmirching Thailand's good name?

I don't get it. I thought chicks from that part of the world were chill and everything. Look at Wonder Woman. She's pretty chill. All I know is if they're from the middle east, I'd want to bang them with the hijab on. That's kinda hot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7xgvver2o4

And take off your shoes!

SubCmdr

05-11-25, 01:29

For those of you who aren't broke and actually have some girls that like you VS is having a sale right now. If you buy 10 online you can have them shipped to you for a total of $58 in the US. I just put an order in. Go ahead and have some fun, make the girls happy and get a bunch of sexy pics and videos with them modelling their new VS. Shopping for them is also fun too. Get them now before the idiotic tariffs kick in because they are made in Vietnam. I had 3 of them show up with panties I had given them on my latest trip and they said they loved them and thanked me again.Thanks, I am going to check it out! I have many girls that could use some g-strings.

Explorer8939

05-12-25, 01:38

I have taken 2 Pattaya ladies to Koh Chang. To make it weird, the driver of the taxi (it's a 4 hour drive just to go from Pattaya to the ferry pier) is the husband of one of the ladies in my rotation. He was very friendly, though.

I got two rooms at the hotel, and the ladies alternate nights with me.

Nyezhov

05-12-25, 07:25

Explorer8939

05-14-25, 01:22

Which beach / hotel.Sai Khao. KC Grande Resort.

Explorer8939

05-14-25, 01:26

One rather popular bargirl sends me a message every morning asking how I am. Not much more, but every day.

I thought she had some app that let her send the same message to all of her contacts, since it was odd she sent the message every day.

But then I remembered that she had a good customer a few years ago that slipped in the shower and died after no one checked on him for a few days. The bargirl was seeing him regularly but neglected to send him a message while he slowly died.

After that, she was afraid of his ghost bothering her, so it appears she isn't going to neglect customers again.

Explorer8939

05-14-25, 01:30

A bargirl I know is making big bucks in the bar, 100+ drinks every contract, barfined constantly, plus lonely guys send her money.

Yet, she asked to borrow 1000 baht to pay her rent.

Because she lives with a Thai man half her age, and the more she makes, the more he takes. She is paying him not to work in a boy bar, because when he did, he rarely came home.

So, she doesn't save a dime.

Explorer8939

05-15-25, 08:15

Sometimes I see grannies working bar and I wonder how that happened? Did a 55 year old lady in the village suddenly decide to head to Pattaya, and if so, why?

One reason is the phenomenon of lonely guys sending money to a lady for a long period of time. She may have been a young bargirl once, but she has been sitting in the village for years collecting free money from a Farang and living with her Thai boyfriend.

The long term problem is there is no long term. A lonely guy may send money for years (most stop after 3 months), but sooner or later the money is going to stop.

In a real relationship, the woman attempts to secure lifetime benefits, usually via marriage. In the case of long term sponsorship, the lady doesn't want to leave her Thai boyfriend, especially when she can get free money for doing nothing in the village. If she goes to live with her sponsor boyfriend, she's got to fuck him from time to time, which he effectively gets for free.

So, one day the money train ends, and the lady has to go to Pattaya to get money. If she is under 40, she can easily work bar. If she is 50+, it's very difficult.

Explorer8939

05-15-25, 14:47

This is something I encounter in Real Life: a lady who is up for everything, but is completely passive. A 3 holer who makes no sound, expresses nothing.

But runs to the bedroom when I suggest we go.

When I lick her pussy, I don't get the usual response (the fakers "finish" in 5 minutes, others slowly build to a climax, but this lady exhibits a very subtle response and doesn't finish (not yet).

Of course, like most Thai ladies, she won't talk about sex, so no help there.

So, I am stuck with fucking a dead fish.

BTW, I have known most of the ladies in my rotation for years, so I don't drop them that quickly.

Explorer8939

05-16-25, 00:47

I am trying to restrict my mongering to 1 lady per day, preferably at night. But I got booked up for a week, and now more ladies are looking for money so I have started to have ladies come in the afternoon.

Low Season is great for mongering, but it wears me down.

Nyezhov

05-18-25, 00:39

Sai Khao. KC Grande Resort.How was the beach and the venue?

Explorer8939

05-18-25, 01:28

I had a bad one last night: a lady came over last night and told me she had been fired from her bar job the night before. Since then, she had been on a bender, with little sleep.

So, she was a wreck, a crying drunk. I sent her home, and took her off my rotation (for coming to the condo). However, we are still scheduled for a short trip to Bangkok next week; if she travels, her sleeping and drinking can be controlled.

This means she won't be coming to drink with my 3 holer friend, but I have already scheduled another lady to fill in. This lady does a lesbian show, but the last time she did the lesbian show with the 3 holer, it got serious.

Explorer8939

05-19-25, 03:19

I had an agency lady come over yesterday. She gets lots of bookings at high prices, but now things are slowing down.

She told me she gets the occasional Farang lady as a customer. I suspect that the husband of the "customer" is the actual driver for those bookings, he wants to see his wife serviced by another lady.

The agency lady has had a lonely guy from the US sending her monthly cash for 3 years.

I suspect that people reading this are sending money to a Thai lady, as well.

SubCmdr

05-19-25, 09:40

Folks. I've made many trips to Bangkok and Pattaya in the past. Lately heard Pattaya rates are going up. Am planning to visit Thailand in mid June for a sex trip. Should I stick with Bangkok only where the street girls in nana will charge me 1000 baht or shall I spend time in pattaya where it seems to be offseason now and not many decent girls available for 1000.I did not find the street girls to be attractive at all in Bangkok. Although I did try one of them. Overall I find the prices for commercial sex to be way higher in than Pattaya. I didn't see the girls as being much prettier either. I don't travel to be a International Trick. Pussy is pussy to me. But the food in Bangkok is SO much better than Pattaya. It is out of this world with variety, flavor and service in the restaurants are on a much higher level than Bangkok.

I will continue to be posted up in Pattaya while visiting Bangkok to switch things up.

Explorer8939

05-21-25, 01:46

One lady in my rotation is desperate to be my "girlfriend". Last night, I told her no fucking way, but she still doesn't believe me.

She says she loves money, so no Thai men for her.

Her "man" radar seems to be malfunctioning, same as what happens when guys come to Pattaya the first time and fall in love with the first bargirl who pretends to be their girlfriend. The guys aren't socially adept enough to see fakery by a woman.

Guys turn it around by claiming they love some bargirl to get a discount.

Explorer8939

05-22-25, 03:07

I got a message from a lady at 01.30. She had a fight with her Thai boyfriend and wanted to come to my condo. Since I already had a lady in my bed, she slept on my sofa.

When she woke up, she invited another bar girl over, and they proceeded to drink all day.

Except for the top tier ladies who always have a customer, bar girls are bored out of their minds. They pass the days drinking and playing telephone. No wonder they like to travel with a customer.

The lady who slept on the sofa claimed that she inspected the telephone of her Thai boy and found he was fucking other ladies. Big sad.

He will come back to her when she has cash again, and she will happily take him back.

MongerHunger

05-22-25, 04:17

I don't travel to be a International Trick.
These are two interesting statements.

I am a International Trick. If you knew how to read you would understand I have posted my experiences with having sex with girls extensively in three different country threads.

SubCmdr

05-22-25, 17:45

These are two interesting statements.Thank you! My posts are interesting. Feel free to ask any additional questions that you have for me. We live in interesting times.

Mogwai

05-23-25, 02:34

These are two interesting statements.In his case it would be better to speak of an international prick.

Explorer8939

05-23-25, 04:47

One of my rules is I don't fuck a Thai lady if she has a foreign boyfriend.

But if she has a foreign sponsor sucker, no problem. If a lonely guy sends money to a bargirl, unless he's crazy, he expects she's going to fuck customers and her Thai boyfriend.

I just got a message from a retired bargirl who is living in the village supported by a lonely guy who sends money. She's coming to Pattaya next week and wants to come to my condo.

SubCmdr

05-23-25, 07:08

I am awaked by the thunder and I look out the window and it is raining like mother fucker. I'm like going to need more than umbrella today. Need to carry around a inflatable raft. Because it be floodin up in dis *****.

So I am chilling and watching YouTube when the algorithm shows me a video on buying Thai Gold. It confirms everything that I had figured out on my own. Most of all it told me that my detractors about Thai Gold really are either informed or caught up in there need to talk their pure unadulterated male bovine excrement on a constant basis. Thai Gold is sold a much lower premium compared to the overall world market. The cost of workmanship is less due to lower labor cost while maintaining high quality. I am still available to help anyone who needs my assistance to search after they have lost face.

ROTFLMAO!

The rain finally stops and I decide to venture out for supplies. I doing the just-in-time thing for food because I might head out on another trip. Head over to the supermarket and pick up a few things.

On my way back to my room I spot the guy with the fruit cart. Pineapple already peeled, cored, chopped and bagged up. Watermelon chopped up and put into the bag as I watch. 20 THB for each bag, so for the mathematically challenged among us that is 40 THB total for fresh fruit.

70% of the food is either overpriced or just bad.Really? How can you not enjoy the convenience of fresh fruit on the street?

Explorer8939

05-24-25, 03:44

Against my better judgement, I took a couple of ladies to Bangkok for a couple of days.

They spoke Thai constantly to each other, and at night, the older one would stay awake almost all night drinking Thai whiskey, and the younger one would open a can of beer, take one sip all night and talk with the older lady. Whereas I would go to bed hours before them.

Yeah, it wasn't fun. The lesson is to travel with just one lady.

Snorlax17

05-24-25, 13:08

Explorer8939

05-24-25, 14:09

Hey guys I am bagpacking across Thailand solo, I was looking for spending the nights with a working girl in Phuket, Krabi. Any leads will help.

I am in touch with few freelancers in Phuket, I wanted to know how much to pay them..I pay 2000 baht for a night, up to a week. After that, I pay less per night, down to 30,000 baht for a month. But I'm in Pattaya, Phuket may be 50% more expensive.

HorseTrader

05-24-25, 17:55

I pay 2000 baht for a night, up to a week. After that, I pay less per night, down to 30,000 baht for a month. But I'm in Pattaya, Phuket may be 50% more expensive.I agree that the surcharge applies to Patong, especially Bangla road. But I don't know if that surcharge applies to all of Phuket, such as Rawai. Explorer - can you clarify?

Explorer8939

05-26-25, 07:22

I agree that the surcharge applies to Patong, especially Bangla road. But I don't know if that surcharge applies to all of Phuket, such as Rawai. Explorer - can you clarify?If only there were a section here about Phuket where you could posts about prices in different parts of Phuket.

Explorer8939

05-27-25, 03:27

I got roped into a trip to Sisaket next week. A bargirl wants to go home to the village.

There is only one hotel in the area, and I couldn't make a reservation on the internet. So, the bargirl's sister had to call them to make a reservation. She's a notorious scammer, so there's a good chance I will arrive and there won't be a hotel room for me.

The deal with the bargirl is she will stay in the hotel with me for 3 nights. That's a fairly big payday she loses if there is no hotel room.

I've been to this village before, and know where to go as a backup.

The bargirl has 2 sisters, and all 3 sisters will likely show up in the village next week for some festivities. I've fucked them all many times, there is a chance next week's 3 nights will be with a different sister every night. Or, there may be none.

Explorer8939

05-30-25, 14:42

I had a lasy over for drinks last night. She has a lonely guy sending her money every week, in exchange for her staying in the village.

She escaped to Pattaya for 2 days, so he was very angry.

Not my problem. We drank, and I fucked her.

She went home this morning, long trip in a minivan. Maybe I see her next year.

Explorer8939

05-31-25, 01:00

The behind the scenes stuff you are not lucky to see:

Lots of working girls have chronic illnesses, they can cover it up in the bar and during short time, though.

Half of the ladies scam the other half for money. They borrow and then get angry when asked to repay.

A big percent are addicted to telephone gambling and are in debt.

Many of the younger ladies go to "host bars" after their bar closes. They usually go in groups, led by a bargirl who has a boyfriend who works at the host bar. She acts as a shill, convincing her co-workers to buy drinks for the men in the host bar. These places are expensive. Newbies will brag to the other ladies about huge bar bills.

And the usual: many maintain Thai boyfriends. This often means they can't go Long Time. A few have boyfriends who stay in a nearby village and see them at the end of their 10 day contract. But most share a room with a Thai man, if they don't stay at the bar.

Just like men, bargirls often want a young guy, the younger the better. Bargirls in their 30's will go with a guy half their age. I have seen bargirls beyond their "sell by" date trying to make some cash by offering their teenage son to other bargirls.

SubCmdr

05-31-25, 21:27

For me, pretty Caucasians are prettier than Thai and worth more expensive, but for sure, Pattaya is better value for money than FKKs, even also increasing rates in Thailand.Everyone has their preferences. I do short time on a consistent basis from 26.91 - 53.82 EUR. Anyone who cannot afford that (in my opinion) shouldn't be International Trickin. They should be working their ass off to develop a flow so they can build a stack.

I'm just happy to be a International Trick. Otherwise I would be hard up, lonely and angry like so many of the posters up in here waiting for their next trip.

ROTFLMAO!

SubCmdr

06-03-25, 15:50

They dont (Korean and Chinese) have a poverty mindset of saving bucks like the cheap ass Subcmdr.My Time; My Money; My Dick; My Call!

The idea of spending money just to be spending it does not make any sense to me. In my opinion, if you are not spending your money to purchase a asset that will provide you with cash flow (like an apartment that Thai People rent from you) or appreciates in value (like Thai Gold) then you are consuming. If you are consuming then the money you are spending better be providing pleasure for you.

Pussy is Pussy!

A poverty mindset is to spend money without value. A poverty mindset when it comes to being a International Trick is to be worried about how much (or little) another grown man is spending or who he is fucking.

My Time; My Money; My Dick; My Call!

So the Korean punters are already with their desired girl in the bar, or they already barfined their desired girl and moved out of the soi by the time you and your friends are walking in the soi. That's why you think they do nothing else than walking up and down the soi. But Truth is they are all over the place, along with the Chinese.Who the fuck cares?

Soi 6

I can walk out the door of my building and get on a Baht Bus and travel to Soi 6 literally right now. It will cost me 10 Baht. I do not have a wheels up clock ticking. I do not need a "camera man" as a intermediary in order to goto KingKong to get my dick sucked for 800 THB. No request for a drink. No Bar Fine.

My Objective is to nut!

Chinese guys are not blinking an eye on 3 K plus a few drinks for a ST, or for 4 or 5 for LT on top of the barfine (for 1 shot too).Lady Drinks; Bar Fine/Room Rental; Short Time/Long Time Fee then a payment to the camera man also?

WTF?

KingKong on soi 6, Excytes club, Heaven's above and all the low end shitholes on soi Honey.Now if that is not your style then please spend 2x - 5x times what I do to get your nut. If you like it then I love it. Personally it is just not worth it to me.

Thai Friendly

I have a growing group of regulars that suck and fuck me for between 1000 - 2000 THB Short Time.

No bar fines, no short time room fees (unless I don't want them in my room), No Lady Drinks. Just pure unadulterated sexual pleasure that always leads to me meeting my objective.

My Objective is to nut!

When Japanese and Korean guys are present, the rest of us have problems competing with them too.I do not have this problem!

Almost exclusively Soi 6, prices, services are dependent on the girl. Not that they are the most attractive

I could occasionally take from gogos on Walking Street like Iron, but it's too expensive for my taste.

I don't post reviews anymoreI thought ISG was about sharing information on having sex with girls

Explorer8939

06-04-25, 04:13

I'm in deepest darkest Isaan, and I went to the home of a former bargirl who retired just last year. Wow, what a difference. She looks to be in her late 50's now, her former blonde hair is grey, she gained weight, you wouldn't look at her twice in Pattaya unless you like grannies.

Her Thai husband was not thrilled I was there, but I was with her sister.

Explorer8939

06-07-25, 12:23

I was scheduled to visit a young civvie in Ban Chang (the area near the beach). Unfortunately, she has Covid, and is unavailable.

Explorer8939

06-07-25, 12:26

One of my regulars is a popular MILF, but she is drinking herself out of employment, both in bars, and also in my rotation of ladies. She's scheduled to come to the condo in a couple of days, and just asked if she can bring her 18 year old daughter. I will usually suffer through a 2 lady night if it means possibly adding a new lady to my rotation.

SubCmdr

06-07-25, 16:42

Short Time

For me that is where it is at. After I meet my objective the quicker they get the fuck out the better for me. I am under no delusions for the reasons we are interacting with each other. I'm not a lonely man.

Long Time

I since I have been posted up here in Thailand (and it's been more than a quick minute) I have done two Long Times. They were both amazing experiences.

I've never understood the desire for a stranger to sleep next to you. Seriously? I am simply not that desperate. I like to get to know my prostitute before I invite her into my inner space during the night and pay her to sleep. Yes, the morning nut is great. But I have found that I can start at 6 AM and have a girl off of Thai Friendly at my door by 7 AM.

My objective is to nut!

Mr Enternational

06-08-25, 00:49

One of my regulars is a popular MILF, but she is drinking herself out of employment, both in bars, and also in my rotation of ladies.So you ply them with alcohol then complain about their drinking? Make that make sense.

UglyAzzMan

06-08-25, 12:12

SubCmdr

06-08-25, 12:56

When I order a Bolt motobike during the day, I specify that I want a helmet, even though helmets are generally disgusting and smelly. I wear a hair protection cap to protect my hair. Two out of three times, the driver doesn't have a helmet for the passenger. Even if he has one himself. So I refuse the ride and indicate in the comments that there was no helmet for the passenger. I also tell the driver that I won't be riding with him for safety reasons and because of the police. Sometimes this makes him furious, or he claims there are no police on the road. I still refuse.

In the evening, when I've had a bit to drink between WS and LK Metro, I still take the mototaxi even without a helmet because I don't want to waste my time.I have only taken a Bolt moto taxi a half dozen times since I have been posted up in Pattaya. I consider them two dangerous so I don't use them unless I am in a time crunch. Individuals like 99 Payola have preferred I don't have any money. I have plenty of passive income to pay for my lifestyle. What I do not do is waste it on pussy. You see while individuals are paying 3000 - 4000 for short time I am paying 1000 - 2000 to meet my objective. That savings of 1000 - 2000 each objective leaves me enough to pay for 10 - 20 Bolt rides in a REAL car.

My objective is to nut!

Mogwai

06-08-25, 14:46

How Ugly must they be to show up at 7 at m.There are often amazingly attractive girls available at 7 AM on TF. If they are still fresh after a long night, is another question.

SubCmdr

06-08-25, 18:43

Good brother. Thai you. Gly website? How Ugly must they be to show up at 7 at m.This post assumes any prostitute working early in the morning is ugly.

Why does the OP make that assumption?

There are often amazingly attractive girls available at 7 AM on TF. If they are still fresh after a long night, is another question.This post assumes there are are no such things as a shower, water, soap, toothbrush, toothpaste and mouthwash. I keep all those things available for my prostitutes in my room in my bathroom.

I wonder how the OP determines the freshness of the prostitutes he hires at any other time of the day?

My objective is to nut!

UglyAzzMan

06-09-25, 01:08

I have only taken a Bolt moto taxi a half dozen times since I have been posted up in Pattaya. I consider them two dangerous so I don't use them unless I am in a time crunch. Individuals like 99 Payola have preferred I don't have any money. I have plenty of passive income to pay for my lifestyle. What I do not do is waste it on pussy. You see while individuals are paying 3000 - 4000 for short time I am paying 1000 - 2000 to meet my objective. That savings of 1000 - 2000 each objective leaves me enough to pay for 10 - 20 Bolt rides in a REAL car.

My objective is to nut!You moved the goalpost Bro.

Before it was my girls are same same as your Girls.

Now it's just as long you Ejaculate.

Game Over. You came out on short end. Sorry Bro.

Have Fun.

Explorer8939

06-09-25, 03:15

So you ply them with alcohol then complain about their drinking? Make that make sense.An observation, not a complaint.

Andres901

06-09-25, 03:56

Short Time
I since I have been posted up here in Thailand (and it's been more than a quick minute) I have done two Long Times. They were both amazing experiences.
I've never understood the desire for a stranger to sleep next to you. Seriously? I am simply not that desperate. I like to get to know my prostitute before I invite her into my inner space during the night and pay her to sleep. Yes, the morning nut is great. But I have found that I can start at 6 AM and have a girl off of Thai Friendly at my door by 7 AM.
My objective is to nut!When I started my mongering adventure years ago, I met many mongers who loved LT. Since they were doing it I tried a it a few times and it was not my thing for several reasons:

1. I don't want to sleep with a hooker. I prefer sleeping alone because I turn and move, plus wake up to hit the bathroom.

2. I'm a light sleeper and don't want to be woken up by someone.

3. In the morning, I have to hang out with her, feed her breakfast, maybe boom boom, not sure. Mornings are my time and I prefer a new girl.

4. Danger, this is a little worry but you never know what she will do when I'm asleep.

Some guys think it's a better deal to keep her the entire night. A good friend of mine told me about this. He did it once at night, than another time at 2 am, and finally a 3rd in the morning. It works for him and I respect dudes who like LT. More power to them. As for me, short time and get out and let me enjoy the relaxed moment.

Thanks.

SubCmdr

06-09-25, 10:58

I have been having fun since the first hour I stepped foot in Thailand. Any ideas that I have not are completely erroneous and should be erased from your minds.

You moved the goalpost BroI have not moved anything except for semen from seminal vessels into the mouths and pussies of the prostitutes I hire here in Thailand. I have not had a prostitute here in Thailand give up the ass.

Before it was my girls are same same as your girlI have never said that the prostitutes I hire are like the prostitutes anyone else posting on ISG hires in the entire mother fucking world. I have reports in four different countries.

It is possible that other individuals goto the same venues that I do here in Thailand. But I don't know that unless other International Tricks report it.

Individuals such as UglyAzzMan and 99 Payola have reported their dissatisfaction with how I meet my objectives.

Individuals who have a problem with how I meet my objectives are missing the point. Since they do not earn my money nor meet their objectives in the same way that I do, what anyone else says does not matter to me. Only to them. I am meeting my objectives.

What I have done is report the amounts that I pay. If you take a look over in the Pattaya Report thread. You will find individuals reporting that they pay:

2x - 5x what I pay to get their nut! I have no problem with it. If they like it then I love it.

Game Over.What game is over?

I am still in Thailand meeting my objectives. I am still getting my nut. Whenever I want. At the price I want. For me it is not a competition. If it was then I win.

You came out on short end.How is that? I am still in Thailand Getting my nut Anyone not getting their.

Nut on them.

Sorry BroWhat are you sorry about? Because I am OUTSTANDING!. I am in Thailand meeting my objectives.

Have FunI have a lot of fun meeting my objectives. I hope you and everyone else is having fun meeting yours. Because if not then you are not doing something right.

It is not the critic that counts!