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[Sky Ryder]

Hello Gents.

New to the international guide but active state side in the pacific northwest. I'll be visiting Pattaya for a week or so in June 2024.

No issues working out the night scene from doing a bit of digging but I am trying to get a so better info on golfing out there such as courses to play, how is golfing in the rainy season?, logistics from the beach to the courses, etiquette, any hidden costs, etc.

Any info would be appreciated and I thank you for your time.I have used a couple of golf travel companies, but currently I use Thai-Ger Line. They arrange everthing. I tend to try and play as a single and like to start early so that I do not use up a whole day on the course. They will give you a quote for the entire cost, except caddy tips. Includes transportation to and from the course, greens fees, cart fees, caddy fees, and all taxes and service charges. I have found them to be responsive and fair. You can go to a number of bars that organiize golf trips on a weekly basis or sometimes more often. The down side is that you will be part of a large group and paired randomly and the bus goes and comes back to the bar based on when everyone is finished. The cost is a LOT less for certain. I have also used Golf Asian and been happy but they seem to concentrate on a wider area but similar service.

[Explorer8939]

I'm getting burnt out on standard sex lately, many ladies do it. A BJ followed by Cowboy. Time to try something different.

Since the sex is identical with so many ladies, it's like fucking the same lady every night.

[Nyezhov]

I'm getting burnt out on standard sex lately, many ladies do it. A BJ followed by Cowboy. Time to try something different.

Since the sex is identical with so many ladies, it's like fucking the same lady every night.Try some role play. Feather duster (you know where that goes) and a plastic big lipped duck beak. Grilled centipede feeding. Furry type stuff.

I had a girlfriend once who I had dress as a Swiss school girl and yodel for me whilst we were doing it. I was wearing a cowbell, and it was quite the ruckus.

[Horatio]

Maybe try a sober woman. .


I'm getting burnt out on standard sex lately, many ladies do it. A BJ followed by Cowboy. Time to try something different.

Since the sex is identical with so many ladies, it's like fucking the same lady every night.

[Mr Enternational]

Maybe try a sober woman..LOL. I damn near threw my phone. Amen to that.

[Horatio]

Pineapple is supposed to make ejaculate taste better. What is the timing on that? If I eat some 20 minutes before a blow job is that going to work? Or is more a long term thing.

[Nyezhov]

Pineapple is supposed to make ejaculate taste better. What is the timing on that? If I eat some 20 minutes before a blow job is that going to work? Or is more a long term thing.You can always test with a tablespoon, or if you're my age a teaspoon.

[Houston Player]

Pineapple is supposed to make ejaculate taste better. What is the timing on that? If I eat some 20 minutes before a blow job is that going to work? Or is more a long term thing.It takes longer than 20 minutes to make a difference. You should start eating it every day for 3 days before if you want the best effect.

[HorseTrader]

It takes longer than 20 minutes to make a difference. You should start eating it every day for 3 days before if you want the best effect.I'm afraid to ask, but as a scientist I have to ask. How do you know this?

[Houston Player]

I'm afraid to ask, but as a scientist I have to ask. How do you know this?Experience. It's better than any book you can read on the subject. You got me, it may be possible to achieve the desired effect in less than 3 days, however from experience when I eat sweet fruit every morning for breakfast the ladies always comment on how sweet my semen is.

[Explorer8939]

A lady who came to my condo in November hit me up with the "I'm pregnant, send me money " routine today. It just happened that she was fired from her job this week, and is broke.

So, what's the best response?

Note that, until recently, she was working Beach Road.

[ThreeLilBirds]

Pineapple is supposed to make ejaculate taste better. What is the timing on that? If I eat some 20 minutes before a blow job is that going to work? Or is more a long term thing.It takes 10 weeks for sperm to get to full maturity, so if you were eating pineapple every few days for 10 weeks, you'd taste like a pinacolada.

From my wife's experience (and as mentioned) it can have an effect after only a few days.

Additionally helpful fruits are oranges and lemons.

[LittleBigMan]

Pineapple! Not surprise 😂 although it is a fruit it is high in sugar if your A1 C is high it will add to it like watermelon, Mango, Bananas, all fruits available cheap but high in sugar maybe it gets into the bloodstream into the semen?

[Horatio]

I read an article where they are going to limit pot to medicinal only. It is crazy that pot is everywhere. In phuket I would smell it in cafes and outside my motel room at all times of the day. I can see where officials would not want that. It was crazy. I wish they would just regulate a bit more, maybe close down half the shops or more and limit where it is smoked. I don't have a problem with people smoking pot but many were just ridiculous. It's the same with motorbike guys. Some guy rents one and thinks he can do whatever and drives twice as fast as other traffic on a pedestrian street. Some people don't have common sense and flaunt what the law doesn't stop. End of rant!

[Explorer8939]

I read an article where they are going to limit pot to medicinal only. It is crazy that pot is everywhere. In phuket I would smell it in cafes and outside my motel room at all times of the day. I can see where officials would not want that. It was crazy. I wish they would just regulate a bit more, maybe close down half the shops or more and limit where it is smoked. I don't have a problem with people smoking pot but many were just ridiculous. It's the same with motorbike guys. Some guy rents one and thinks he can do whatever and drives twice as fast as other traffic on a pedestrian street. Some people don't have common sense and flaunt what the law doesn't stop. End of rant!The general consensus is that the shops will not shut down, they will simply require some paperwork and a brown envelope for the police.

[Nyezhov]

I read an article where they are going to limit pot to medicinal only. It is crazy that pot is everywhere. In phuket I would smell it in cafes and outside my motel room at all times of the day. I can see where officials would not want that. It was crazy. I wish they would just regulate a bit more, maybe close down half the shops or more and limit where it is smoked. I don't have a problem with people smoking pot but many were just ridiculous. It's the same with motorbike guys. Some guy rents one and thinks he can do whatever and drives twice as fast as other traffic on a pedestrian street. Some people don't have common sense and flaunt what the law doesn't stop. End of rant!I love sitting on the steps of the Raumchitt and firing up a fatty before I go into Thermae.

[Mr Enternational]

I wish they would just regulate a bit more, maybe close down half the shops or more and limit where it is smoked.It is already limited, but since when has a law ever stopped people from doing what they are going to do? What they need to limit is alcohol. Drinkers of alcohol do a lot more harm than weed smokers. If it is only about a smell then there is a lot of stinking food out in the open that should be limited as well.

[Explorer8939]

I am amazed how many of you guys are sending money to bargirls after you go home.

Some of you are sending money to ladies you haven't even met, simply from seeing them on Facebook.

Unbelievable.

[ThreeLilBirds]

A lady who came to my condo in November hit me up with the "I'm pregnant, send me money " routine today. It just happened that she was fired from her job this week, and is broke.

So, what's the best response?

Note that, until recently, she was working Beach Road.Probably the best response is to block the number.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

Probably the best response is to block the number.She knows where he lives so she can go there if he blocks her.

[Explorer8939]

She knows where he lives so she can go there if he blocks her.That's the issue: I live in Pattaya, so I can't just cut her off.

[Nyezhov]

It is already limited, but since when has a law ever stopped people from doing what they are going to do? What they need to limit is alcohol. Drinkers of alcohol do a lot more harm than weed smokers. If it is only about a smell then there is a lot of stinking food out in the open that should be limited as well.I'd rather smell weed than durian.

[Horatio]

Where can I buy sports nutrition stuff in pattaya? I want some pre-workout powder. Thank you.

[Explorer8939]

Where can I buy sports nutrition stuff in pattaya? I want some pre-workout powder. Thank you.7 LB Whey Protein and Supplements.

391,76 Thappraya Rd, Pattaya City, Bang Lamung District, Chon Buri 20150.

[Mr Enternational]

Where can I buy sports nutrition stuff in pattaya? I want some pre-workout powder. Thank you.Go to Fitness 24/7 at The Avenue.

[BackInBangkok]

I am amazed how many of you guys are sending money to bargirls after you go home.

Some of you are sending money to ladies you haven't even met, simply from seeing them on Facebook.

Unbelievable.My last visit to Bangkok was 5 years ago. Banged the only cutie at Angelwitch, who has since plumped, she presented me her 2 days old clean bill of health and let me go bareback for 500 extra, so I had her the next night as well, dinner included, great personality. But when I got home she asked for money. No dice. Same thing happened in Khao Lak (scuba town north of Phuket). Hooked up with a real looker, FL, who would knock on my hotel door at 2 am. Nicest ass, sexy hoarse voice, wild in bed. Got home snd she asked for money. LOL, no way.

[Explorer8939]

I run into some ladies who love to give blowjobs. I don't mean instead of fucking, they just want to suck dick. Even if they are in a non working situation.

But none of them ever tell me how long they want. Except if I finish too quick, they express disappointment. Whereas women who are just doing their job are happy if I finish quickly.

[Horatio]

I've had three visa extensions. The first and last I left the country. The second was at an immigration office. Can I get a fourth extension at the immigration office? I want to rent a motel for the whole month of February and my Visa expires the 18th. Thank you for any advice.

[Explorer8939]

The lady I am traveling with once told me she can handle sex twice a week. Back then, she also told me that she didn't get horny anymore, even since the birth of her third baby.

Now she tells me she does get horny, and is good for 4 times a week. Which is her way of telling me what my job is.

[AggieDad1]

The lady I am traveling with once told me she can handle sex twice a week. Back then, she also told me that she didn't get horny anymore, even since the birth of her third baby.

Now she tells me she does get horny, and is good for 4 times a week. Which is her way of telling me what my job is.I have seen this before. Take a woman away from home and away from the stress that goes with it and their sex drive increases. Enjoy it while it lasts.

[Explorer8939]

I have seen this before. Take a woman away from home and away from the stress that goes with it and their sex drive increases. Enjoy it while it lasts.You are correct. If you take a Thai lady far away from Thailand, after a while they realize that you have the only dick they are going to see.

But, not for this lady. On previous travels, she was accommodating, but not horny. Something has happened to her over the last year.

[Horatio]

I took a girl home from a bar last night. Her sister works in the same bar. I would like to bring both back with me tonight. Do most sister not want to do threesomes together or are most okay with it? I know it will depend on the particular women, just asking what you think my chances are. They are 28 and 29. The one I had yesterday is new to this or seems to be. She spoke no english. Thank you for any advice.

[HorseTrader]

I took a girl home from a bar last night. Her sister works in the same bar. I would like to bring both back with me tonight. Do most sister not want to do threesomes together or are most okay with it? I know it will depend on the particular women, just asking what you think my chances are. They are 28 and 29. The one I had yesterday is new to this or seems to be. She spoke no english. Thank you for any advice.You may already be aware that many Thai girls refer to their friends as cousins or sisters. Same thing with many Koreans girls. If you want true sisters, you might want to verify that. If you just want 2 girls, my comment is not relevant.

[Horatio]

You may already be aware that many Thai girls refer to their friends as cousins or sisters. Same thing with many Koreans girls. If you want true sisters, you might want to verify that. If you just want 2 girls, my comment is not relevant.Thanks, I do know that. It's just a cool thought that I will always have. If they aren't really sisters I'll never know. I did ask one if they had same mama and same papa, and she said yes.

[Horatio]

My hotel room is on the 4th floor and across the street is a bar. This afternoon at 3 pm I hear a bunch of yelling so I look out the window. I can't see what is going on under the roof, but soon enough some 60 ish westerner tries to leave the bar but a Thai woman is grabbing at him screaming. He manages to break away and gets about 20 feet into the street. Then she comes running at him, hitting him. Then grabs hold of him and they both fall. He gets on top of her and holds her down by putting his fore arm on her neck. Bunch of people in the bar are just watching. There was a Thai security guard in a guard shack about 20 feet away. He does nothing. Finally the guy gets up and runs. The woman screaming at him. One of the other bar girls runs over and gathers all the change off the ground that came out of his pocket. I don't have any idea what it was about or who was right. The guy was wanting to get away. There were two westerners about 60 ish also sitting at the counter table facing the street. They seemed totally unperturbed by what was going on. When the fighting was behind them they weren't even watching. I was really surprised no one tried to break things up. The guy held the woman on the ground for maybe a minute or a bit more.

[XXL]

There are now fake goods on the market in Thailand. The fakes are cheap latex condoms that are prone to break.

[Banana Boi]

Sagami 002 L warning

There are now fake goods on the market in Thailand. The fakes are cheap latex condoms that are prone to break.From reading this board you would think condoms breaking is what guys want.


Fight at the bar across the streetSaw something similar on my 1st trip to Pattaya, Thai guy pulling pretty Thai girl's hair then throwing her to the ground numerous times. She just took it. Tons of guys nearby did nothing. I was across the street and a bit too far away. Then the guy tried to throw her on to oncoming traffic on 2nd Road. That was the last straw for the girl. Next thing I see is the girl pulling out all her Muay Thai moves on the guy until he's flat on the ground and not moving.

[Horatio]

That plan went nowhere. I went back last night and the mamasan said the one girl went back home. She had a Thai boyfriend. She had only worked there 2 days. The couple times I have been to that bar there were about 6 women there. Last night was just 2. I did not see the other sister.


I took a girl home from a bar last night. Her sister works in the same bar. I would like to bring both back with me tonight. Do most sister not want to do threesomes together or are most okay with it? I know it will depend on the particular women, just asking what you think my chances are. They are 28 and 29. The one I had yesterday is new to this or seems to be. She spoke no english. Thank you for any advice.

[Explorer8939]

That plan went nowhere. I went back last night and the mamasan said the one girl went back home. She had a Thai boyfriend. She had only worked there 2 days. The couple times I have been to that bar there were about 6 women there. Last night was just 2. I did not see the other sister.When you go to a bar, and the Mamasan tells you a lady is not there, the Mamasan will tell any story to cover for the lady's absence.

What a Mamasan will never say is "lady is with customer".

[Horatio]

The mamasan said the woman went back home to be with her Thai boyfriend and probably wasn't coming back. The mamasan also said the woman had only been there two days and implied but did not say that she didn't like it.


When you go to a bar, and the Mamasan tells you a lady is not there, the Mamasan will tell any story to cover for the lady's absence.

What a Mamasan will never say is "lady is with customer".

[Explorer8939]

Given the large number of posts by people planning to come to Pattaya, there aren't many trip reports posted here.

Part of that is normal human nature, but its also due to the first time mongers who come to Pattaya and then fall in love with a bar girl. Since "their" bargirl is special, they don't post.

These are the guys who throw money at their bargirl, and buy her gold baht (which she sells once they leave).

[Tvataham274]

I'll have boots on the ground this Friday / Saturday. Though granted I'm just a rookie on my second trip, I'll try to provide some brief summaries to help out the other mongers.

[Explorer8939]

Some people are offended by mongers who overpay. You know, the guys who pay 10,000 baht for one night. And they certainly raise the going rate by overpaying.

But, the lonely guys who send ladies money when they go home do much more damage. Because most ladies are lazy, and if they have cash in hand will stop working, and blow their money on their Thai boyfriend or some Karaoke boy.

More to the point, if you send a lady money, you are training her to not want to see you. Because when you do show up, she has to work for money.

[Explorer8939]

Many older bargirls have adult children. As a general rule, the daughters help to support their mom, some are bargirls themselves. But the adult sons leech off their mothers until the mothers have no cash or are dead. But some older bargirls bring their sons to Pattaya to work bar (cashier or bartender), and try to arrange something with a working bargirl who has cash. I have even seen bargirls trying to sell their son to a bargirl.

But most bargirls just send cash to their son when they get the call for money.

Thai men are much cleverer than bargirls when it comes to extracting money. Bargirls are pretty good at asking for money from customers via social media, but Thai men are better at face to face requests for money. They don't charge for sex, they just barrage the lady with reasons why she should give them money "I want to see you tomorrow, but my moto not work. I want to take it to the shop, but I have no money".

So even bargirls with many customers have zero in the bank, because they hand so much money to their boyfriends.

BTW, in Thai culture, a woman gives her lover money, and takes money from men she doesn't love.

[Werqweq]

BTW, in Thai culture, a woman gives her lover money, and takes money from men she doesn't love.Please. Let us not confuse thai culture with bargirl culture.

[Mr Enternational]

Please. Let us not confuse thai culture with bargirl culture.He does it everyday. By now he should not be surprised by the actions of hookers. But for some reason he can not get enough of stalking them to know their every move.

[Explorer8939]

Bargirls hate to admit they have customers.

This week, I set up a trip to Phuket later this year with a bargirl. I happened to ask her if she will have time to go, since she has lots of customers. Her response "I no have customers".

At the moment she sent that message, she was on Koh Larn, with a customer.

[Explorer8939]

I know a 55 year old former bargirl from Chumphae who has hooked a Farang "boyfriend", and he is paying her to build a house for her to live in.

C'Mon. Guys, WTF is up with handing your money to Thai ladies?

[Explorer8939]

I am in Brazil for a couple of months, so I get messages from Pattaya bargirls. But, I have to be careful:

If it's a quick question, like "when you come back to Pattaya?" I give them an answer, and then they usually say "bye".

But when they don't get to the point, and ask general questions, then I cut them off and say goodbye, because. Invariably - they are working up to asking me for money. Not just because I am a Farang, bargirls hit each other up for money, as well, but in person.

Note for rookies: bargirls don't like to ask for money, but often they are pressured to do so when their Thai boyfriend hits them up for cash.

[SubCmdr]

Below is standard reasoning by individuals all over ISG who have no idea how markets work.


Some people are offended by mongers who overpay. You know, the guys who pay 10,000 baht for one night. And they certainly raise the going rate by overpaying.Said it before and I will say it again, one monger does not make a market. The market is made up of a large group of mongers that have statistical significance. Mongers paying 10000 THB a night are outliers. Or they may well be average or below in the market they are operating in. No one knows. Because we are not part of the transaction. There is no pussy market showing the prices going and down like is it is Wall Street homes. LOL!.


But, the lonely guys who send ladies money when they go home do much more damage. Because most ladies are lazy, and if they have cash in hand will stop working, and blow their money on their Thai boyfriend or some Karaoke boy.They only do damage when they pay the prostitutes you like fuck holmes. They do not damage me. Because I know there are girls in Issan turing 18 everyday and ready to get on that bus to Pattaya to air out that pussy for money.


More to the point, if you send a lady money, you are training her to not want to see you. Because when you do show up, she has to work for money.More to the point, if you are really in Brazil right now why the fuck do you care?

I have never been to Brazil but if the girls actually look in real life the way they do in the reports my boys are sending back to me, if was there I certainly would not be wasting my time preaching about bargirl culture to individuals who really don't give a fuck.

How you like me now?

[Explorer8939]

Below is standard reasoning by individuals all over ISG who have no idea how markets work.

Said it before and I will say it again, one monger does not make a market. The market is made up of a large group of mongers that have statistical significance. Mongers paying 10000 THB a night are outliers. Or they may well be average or below in the market they are operating in. No one knows. Because we are not part of the transaction. There is no pussy market showing the prices going and down like is it is Wall Street homes. LOL!.
]Every monger in Pattaya is part of the market. And every guy who overpays impacts that market. The ladies talk.

Why do you think that prices are rising in Pattaya? Except for superstars like you.

[Forty Drinks]

Every monger in Pattaya is part of the market. And every guy who overpays impacts that market. The ladies talk.

Why do you think that prices are rising in Pattaya? Except for superstars like you.Girls talkbabout the sub cmmder too. He keeps prices in check. 1,000 for Hot Girls. They go to him.

[Explorer8939]

The Thai Farang trap:

Farang comes to Thailand, ends up in some small bar. He meets an older bargirl, she loves to boom-boom. He decides this is paradise, buys a house on the Darkside and she moves in with him.

After a short while, she announces that she is too old for boom-boom, no have feeling any more. Now he is horny all the time, so he goes to a local bar and hooks up with a younger bargirl. Meanwhile, his Thai "wife" goes shopping and hooks up with her Thai husband, who she supports.

The new bargirl is the new afternoon "wife".

So, now the Farang is supporting 2 Thai ladies, who each support a Thai man.

The Pattaya economy explained.

Most older Thai ladies working bar will fuck like a rabbit until they realize the customer is not husband material. At that point, their sex drive disappears, and you're lucky to get a HJ. They don't care, they want to find a new customer at that point, unless you throw money at them.

[Forty Drinks]

The Thai Farang trap:

Farang comes to Thailand, ends up in some small bar. He meets an older bargirl, she loves to boom-boom. He decides this is paradise, buys a house on the Darkside and she moves in with him.

After a short while, she announces that she is too old for boom-boom, no have feeling any more. Now he is horny all the time, so he goes to a local bar and hooks up with a younger bargirl. Meanwhile, his Thai "wife" goes shopping and hooks up with her Thai husband, who she supports.

The new bargirl is the new afternoon "wife".

So, now the Farang is supporting 2 Thai ladies, who each support a Thai man.

The Pattaya economy explained.

Most older Thai ladies working bar will fuck like a rabbit until they realize the customer is not husband material. At that point, their sex drive disappears, and you're lucky to get a HJ. They don't care, they want to find a new customer at that point, unless you throw money at them.Much too common Scenario.

Buzzin after being burned by an old lady Thai just announced he found another old Bat. He bought land and is building a House for her. The guy has IQ equivalent to a rock.

[Explorer8939]

There is a bargirl I have known for many years who would love to hook up with me permanently. She constantly posts photos of me on her Facebook, and is always sending me messages.

Of course, she doesn't tell her Farang customer boyfriend, who supports her. And her Thai husband could care less as long as the money rolls in.

She is a drunk and gambling addict, so I keep her at arm's length. Oh, and her pussy doesn't really work anymore. So, it's just short trips, a few days at a time.

But I am currently on a 2 month trip to Brazil with her twin sister now.

[Explorer8939]

I asked a bargirl (via Messenger) about her "kik", the bar boy she is supporting. She told me that things were bad.

I checked her Facebook that minute, and he was still "liking" her posts.

So, clearly, she is still supporting him, and probably spends the late night nights in his bar buying him drinks so other ladies don't.

Every bargirl under 40 has a secret life they don't tell the customers.

[Houston Player]

Every bargirl under 40 has a secret life they don't tell the customers.This is an outright lie. You generalize way too much to be believable. Your experiences are just that, Your own. No one that I know has the same experiences as you.

[Explorer8939]

This is an outright lie. You generalize way too much to be believable. Your experiences are just that, Your own. No one that I know has the same experiences as you.You know bargirls that talk to you about their problems with their boyfriends and husbands?

I know quite a few bargirls very well, I get their *real* Facebook that they share with friends and family, as well.

I don't why I limited my statement to bargirls under 40, those over 40 have secret lives they don't share with customers. Or Farang customer boyfriends. One lady I know constantly lies to me unless she is drunk, then she spills her guts. So, officially she has no boyfriends, but when she is drunk, she has 2, and is looking to score a third, a young Thai boy.

[Explorer8939]

This comes from the Facebook of an older bargirl who has had a string of boyfriend customers. What they don't know is that she spends their money on karaoke boys. Some older ladies can't get enough of Thai men who are 20 years not older.

She obviously thinks that her Farang boyfriend customers are stupid.

[Explorer8939]

I believe in the 3 day rule, but there is an except for travel with a bargirl. The dynamic is totally changed if you take a bargirl out of Thailand.

But, I am a bit hesitant to travel with a lady over 40.

First off, they tend to want to dominate the relationship, especially if they have had a younger boyfriend.

Secondly, for many, their sex drive has diminished so they try to minimize boom-boom.

So, short trips are preferable for older ladies.

[Mr Enternational]

This is an outright lie. You generalize way too much to be believable. Your experiences are just that, Your own. No one that I know has the same experiences as you.Shit. Nobody else cares. We are fine being customers and find no need to dig into the personal lives of hookers. If you do not care about the secret life of the person working the counter at McDonald's, then why would you care about the secret life of a random hooker?

I just left the bar getting my dick sucked for 800 baht. Now I am home and have no idea what the chick's name even was, nevermind what she spends her time doing when she is not on her knees.

[Explorer8939]

Shit. Nobody else cares. We are fine being customers and find no need to dig into the personal lives of hookers. If you do not care about the secret life of the person working the counter at McDonald's, then why would you care about the secret life of a random hooker?

I just left the bar getting my dick sucked for 800 baht. Now I am home and have no idea what the chick's name even was, nevermind what she spends her time doing when she is not on her knees.The problem comes when a newbie is looking for a girlfriend in a bar. In that circumstance, every bargirl is single.

If a customer knows a bargirl has a Thai boyfriend, he is less likely to be a sponsor. So the ladies lie.

If you are only going with a lady for a short time, then their boyfriends don't matter. I'm currently on a 2 month trek around South America with a bargirl, and she needs time to talk to her latest boyfriend.

[Explorer8939]

Some of the bargirls come to Pattaya to find a Farang boyfriend. Specifically, what they want is: has money, can speak Thai. Eventually, they settle for 1 out of 3.

[Explorer8939]

I really hate Songkran. So my plan is to escape to Macau for most of it.

Since Macau is a dead zone for affordable mongering, I plan to bring a Thai bargirl with me. Actually two.

One for three nights. But on the third night, a friend of her will come. So, for one night, the two will be together. They won't interact, but they can have fun with me. The friend will stay for 3 nights.

We will stay at LE Parisien casino hotel.

[Explorer8939]

A civvie I know who has a fairly wealthy Thai boyfriend asked to be my Facebook friend yesterday. Today, she sent a message asking to borrow 3,000 baht because she's pregnant.

That's got to be the record for fastest money request.

Her track record is constantly begging for money, she has a gambling problem.

[Explorer8939]

A really common story is when a customer falls in love with a bargirl, buys her a house, implants, car etc. , and once in hand, the bargirl leaves the customer.

If you ask the bargirl, she will tell you the customer was so crazy, she had to leave.

My opinion is that both sides of the story are true: the bargirl dropped the customer once she had the goods AND the customer was crazy. The difference is that a bargirl can accept crazy while waiting for the house, car, etc, but once she has them, no more need to accept abuse.

[Forty Drinks]

A really common story is when a customer falls in love with a bargirl, buys her a house, implants, car etc. , and once in hand, the bargirl leaves the customer.

If you ask the bargirl, she will tell you the customer was so crazy, she had to leave.

My opinion is that both sides of the story are true: the bargirl dropped the customer once she had the goods AND the customer was crazy. The difference is that a bargirl can accept crazy while waiting for the house, car, etc, but once she has them, no more need to accept abuse.SUSPENDAS and RIRI.

Documented on Live Stream.

Possibly over $300,000 in one year.

The best is Riri mom sold suspendas a House they already owned{ they had control of it]. Odd as FKK.

If you catch a Glimpse of Avroms history. It isn't a Good one. LOL. Hahaha.

Kicker is RIRi is Ugly like a Soi 6 girl. LOL. Hahaha.

[Explorer8939]

A bargirl was getting 300,000 baht a month from some loser in Europe. So, she partied her brains out, spending most on drinks for her friends.

The loser finally cut her off, but she got a Korean customer, but now that he is gone, she has no money.

The concept of "saving" is totally alien to her.

[Explorer8939]

I am constantly amazed at ladies who are 40+ who can pull in "boyfriends" at will. One customer boyfriend goes home, pledging his undying love (and money), two weeks later, the lady has a new customer boyfriend.

She would go home, collecting from both, and making her Thai husband happy, but she is going for #3.

[Explorer8939]

I flew into Suvarnabhumi today. Immigration wasn't busy, Zone 1 was closed.

So, High Season looks to be winding down.

[HotShaneHot]

Can someone please tell me where the bar and girls are in Khon Kaen.

I have forgotten the intent site that tells you everything was it Red?

Thanks.

[Explorer8939]

Can someone please tell me where the bar and girls are in Khon Kaen.

I have forgotten the intent site that tells you everything was it Red?

Thanks.If only there was a section here called "Isaan region", then your questions could be answered.

[Explorer8939]

Here's a common scenario:

A bargirl hooks up with an elderly foreigner, she quits work, and they live off his pension and savings. And then he kicks off. The former bargirl is horrified to find that his assets back home accrue to his family, not her.

So, now she is 40+ years old and has to work bar or massage. No fun.

Its karma in action: she pretends to love a man older than her father, she doesn't bother working, so when he isn't around anymore, she is penniless. Of course, the Thai man she has been seeing disappears when her money is gone.

[Sushruth]

Bro, have you got any clues on Khon Kaen yet?


Can someone please tell me where the bar and girls are in Khon Kaen.

I have forgotten the intent site that tells you everything was it Red?

Thanks..

[Explorer8939]

Bro, have you got any clues on Khon Kaen yet?Perhaps he discovered the "Isaan region" section, which includes Khon Kaen.

[Buksida]

Here's a common scenario:

A bargirl hooks up with an elderly foreigner, she quits work, and they live off his pension and savings. And then he kicks off. The former bargirl is horrified to find that his assets back home accrue to his family, not her.

So, now she is 40+ years old and has to work bar or massage. No fun.

Its karma in action: she pretends to love a man older than her father, she doesn't bother working, so when he isn't around anymore, she is penniless. Of course, the Thai man she has been seeing disappears when her money is gone.Have you ever heard of the "pension ladies". In Canada a wife of a deceased Canadian receives 50% of his pension for as long as she lives. Lucky lady might have a few old husbands. Not sure how it works in other countries.

[Sushruth]

Thank you bro for the information.


Perhaps he discovered the "Isaan region" section, which includes Khon Kaen..

[Sushruth]

That thread got 3 posts since 2020. All are questions no answers. On the map Khon Kaen looks bigger province amoobg all, hut no information on it.


Perhaps he discovered the "Isaan region" section, which includes Khon Kaen..

[Explorer8939]

That thread got 3 posts since 2020. All are questions no answers. On the map Khon Kaen looks bigger province amoobg all, hut no information on it..I posted over in the KK section.

Pre-2020 info would still be valid. Not much has changed.

[Explorer8939]

Have you ever heard of the "pension ladies". In Canada a wife of a deceased Canadian receives 50% of his pension for as long as she lives. Lucky lady might have a few old husbands. Not sure how it works in other countries.A lot of ladies never officially marry their Farang husbands.

[HorseTrader]

A lot of ladies never officially marry their Farang husbands.And sometimes they unofficially marry their farang boyfriends who later learn their "wife" is legally married to a Thai man. Happened to one of my farang friends. Worked out great for the lady and her Thai husband $$$$$.

[Explorer8939]

And sometimes they unofficially marry their farang boyfriends who later learn their "wife" is legally married to a Thai man. Happened to one of my farang friends. Worked out great for the lady and her Thai husband $$$$$.Yep. One poor bastard found out his dream girl had a Thai wife, and offered 9 million baht to her for her to officially end the marriage. She offered 1 million to her husband, and pocketed the rest.

I'm in bed with a Thai lady now who has an English husband. He won't divorce her.

The lady I went to Brazil with has a Thai husband, father of her second baby. He wants 10,000 baht to divorce. She's going with a married Thai man, so she isn't worried about paper.

Bottom line: marrying a Thai lady is for idiots. The problem is that if you don't, they won't "love you" anymore, and look for another sucker.

[Explorer8939]

I've got 2 bargirls with me in Phuket now, for a couple of days. They are spending the day drinking, lounging in the jacuzzi in the room, and answering messages from lonely guys back in the US and Europe. Yep, they are busy.

They are both MILFs, although one is older by 10 years, so its almost like a mom and her daughter. But both are slowly getting out of shape, although they both have big racks. Just no bikinis for them.

One is crazy for Chinese and Korean men, she can't control herself around them. The other goes for European guys for money, and young Thai men for fun.

[HotShaneHot]

If only there was a section here called "Isaan region", then your questions could be answered.Maybe you should go look at the Isaan region thread so you can look at the photos of beautiful Isaan women that you can only dream about because your big fat wife will never let you go.

Can't say I have ever seen photos from you. I wander why.

Don't worry I am going back soon I will post for you ok.

[Explorer8939]

Maybe you should go look at the Isaan region thread so you can look at the photos of beautiful Isaan women that you can only dream about because your big fat wife will never let you go.

Can't say I have ever seen photos from you. I wander why.

Don't worry I am going back soon I will post for you ok.I have posted plenty of photos here.

Meanwhile, here is why your 2,000 baht offer at a gogo isn't accepted:

[Explorer8939]

I am coming to the end of my "vacation" at the beach, during which I have swapped out ladies from Pattaya every 2 days (one lady was with me for 4 days). The last lady flies into Phuket today, and I will drop off last night's lady at the airport.

The lady with the 300,000 baht / month sponsor was going to do 2 days on this trip, but cancelled, fortunately soon enough that I got my money back on her ticket, and got a replacement lady. But, last night, she asked to come see me, because she had a fight with her sponsor, and he threatened to cut her off. I told her that I wouldn't see her until she was 100% sure he was finished. Which translates ibto her getting a job somewhere. As long as there is a possibility of free money, she won't work.

The lady coming today has a boyfriend sponsor, she posts his photo when he comes to Pattaya. The odds are she won't post anything on Facebook about her vacation in Phuket.

[Mr Enternational]

I have posted plenty of photos here.

Meanwhile, here is why your 2,000 baht offer at a gogo isn't accepted:Man this is the best thing you ever posted. Chick worked 10 days and had 92 drinks bought for her and only got barfined 3 times. Well that beats the theory of all the good girls being gone or doing multiple short times per day or some chick being popular. Yeah she was popular for drinks but not for fucking. That is a shitload of money. That shit still does not add up though. How are those places able to pay that much money when 92 drinks x150 is 13,800?

[Banana Boi]

Meanwhile, here is why your 2,000 baht offer at a gogo isn't accepted:The photo is funny. I'm not going to any bar where a girl loses money for being cute (cute days -270).

[Explorer8939]

The photo is funny. I'm not going to any bar where a girl loses money for being cute (cute days -270).I think "cute" = "cut", in other words, she was docked 270 baht for being late.

[Explorer8939]

Sometimes after heavy drinking, ladies actually tell the truth. The most common statement among older ladies is "I don't like sex". Last night's lady: I don't like sex with men. Ladies are okay.

Unfortunately, ladies who like ladies usually only like one lady.

All sorts of weird stuff comes from drunk ladies, last night's lady lives with a much younger karaoke boy, and is insanely jealous of him, but loves another Thai man back in Isaan, and has a Farang husband who she plans to live with when she retires. Meanwhile, her sponsor messages her day and night, which makes her despise him.

[Explorer8939]

Comments from last night's lady, talking about recent customers:

He good customer, not boom-boom too much, send money.

He have big egg (hernia), can see it when he is walking, lady think he have big dick.

He want me to come to his country, but he have wife, I scared.

[Merperb]

I had a question for the group. For those of you that live and or visit Thailand during the summer months. Do you mostly stay indoors during the day? I am supposed to be arriving this weekend and it looks miserably hot over there hahaha. I live in Texas so I have had my fair share of "hot" temperatures but Thailand seems to be on another level.

Just today, I checked and Phuket was at a "Feels like 104 F" . Who would want to "walk around and explore" in that heat? Even the water around Phuket I imagine is boiling hahaha.

[Explorer8939]

I had a question for the group. For those of you that live and or visit Thailand during the summer months. Do you mostly stay indoors during the day? I am supposed to be arriving this weekend and it looks miserably hot over there hahaha. I live in Texas so I have had my fair share of "hot" temperatures but Thailand seems to be on another level.

Just today, I checked and Phuket was at a "Feels like 104 F" . Who would want to "walk around and explore" in that heat? Even the water around Phuket I imagine is boiling hahaha.Pattaya (and most of Thailand) has been really hot lately. It rained a bit yesterday which helped. However you arriving as Songkran begins, so you will be wet when you go outdoors. I am bailing for Songkran and heading for cooler Macau, with 3 Thai ladies (not all at the same time).

In summer, there is generally rain every afternoon. Good if you hit the bars in the afternoon.

[Explorer8939]

A warning for the long term residents: there are ladies who don't use condoms because they are looking for a baby daddy. I had one last night, she was banging away with no condom, and then I remembered she already found one baby Daddy from China, and was probably looking for another. So it was a blow job after that.

[Explorer8939]

A photo a bargirl posted on Facebook, so I guess her Farang boyfriend doesn't mind.

I am posting it here for no particular reason.

[Banana Boi]

Do you mostly stay indoors during the day? I am supposed to be arriving this weekend and it looks miserably hot over there hahaha. I live in Texas so I have had my fair share of "hot" temperatures but Thailand seems to be on another level.

Just today, I checked and Phuket was at a "Feels like 104 F" . Who would want to "walk around and explore" in that heat? Even the water around Phuket I imagine is boiling hahaha.Depends on your tolerance for heat. However, heat is only 1 factor. It's usually the humidity that gets to you in SEA. Just think of the hottest day in Las Vegas and add humidity to that. Ho chi Minh and Jakarta may say they're hotter than Bangkok but I can walk around all afternoon outside in Jakarta and HCM but I certainly can't in no wind Bangkok. "Do you mostly stay indoors during the day?" imo if you're doing Thailand right as a tourist you're awake all night and sleeping during the day. Order Grab or Line food for lunch. Get ready to go out around 7 pm. Rinse and Repeat. If you want to go out during the day there are pretty decent malls in Bangkok and Pattaya.

[AggieDad1]

I had a question for the group. For those of you that live and or visit Thailand during the summer months. Do you mostly stay indoors during the day? I am supposed to be arriving this weekend and it looks miserably hot over there hahaha. I live in Texas so I have had my fair share of "hot" temperatures but Thailand seems to be on another level.

Just today, I checked and Phuket was at a "Feels like 104 F" . Who would want to "walk around and explore" in that heat? Even the water around Phuket I imagine is boiling hahaha.I am from the Houston area. I have found Thailand to have cooler nights than back home. So I do most of my exploring during the mornings and evenings and just rest during the afternoons.

[Mr Enternational]

I had a question for the group. For those of you that live and or visit Thailand during the summer months. Do you mostly stay indoors during the day? I am supposed to be arriving this weekend and it looks miserably hot over there hahaha. I live in Texas so I have had my fair share of "hot" temperatures but Thailand seems to be on another level.

Just today, I checked and Phuket was at a "Feels like 104 F" . Who would want to "walk around and explore" in that heat? Even the water around Phuket I imagine is boiling hahaha.To me it is hotter at night than in the daytime. In the day I have my door open with the fan on, but at night I have to turn on the ac. No need to walk around to explore; you can rent a motorbike and drive around to explore.

[Explorer8939]

Songkran is here. Pattaya is jammed with Thais from all over. Many bars are empty of customers. Some Farangs flee Pattaya for Songkran. And some are idiots, playing with water.

I am fleeing, going to Macau with a bargirl.

[TConor]

To me it is hotter at night than in the daytime. In the day I have my door open with the fan on, but at night I have to turn on the ac. No need to walk around to explore; you can rent a motorbike and drive around to explore.Rent a hospital stay while you are at it. Renting a motorbike and a hospital stay isn't the medical tourism Thailand advertised.

[Nyezhov]

Rent a hospital stay while you are at it. Renting a motorbike and a hospital stay isn't the medical tourism Thailand advertised.By the way, I'm in the club that doesn't use the air conditioner in the day. I am on a rooftop here in Cambodia and I get a really nice breeze so I open up all the doors and windows and it's like living in the fresh air. As to motorcycles, if you know what you're doing and have insurance then right away. Unfortunately, 90% of the people who come to Southeast Asia and get on motorbikes have no idea what they're doing.

[Banana Boi]

As to motorcycles, if you know what you're doing and have insurance then right away. Unfortunately, 90% of the people who come to Southeast Asia and get on motorbikes have no idea what they're doing.Yep. Know what your travel insurance covers. Many, if not most, travel insurance consider riding a motorcycle in places like Thailand a high risk activity that invalidates a regular policy. If it allows coverage it may specify that you need a motorcycle license in your home jurisdiction to not invalidate your policy. It may also have restrictions on things like the maximum cc your bike can be. Read and know your policy and don't assume you're covered.

I guess you can always purchase insurance from the motorbike rental store. Anyone ever had to make a personal injury claim on this type of insurance? Just curious.

[XXL]

I had a question for the group. For those of you that live and or visit Thailand during the summer months. Do you mostly stay indoors during the day? I am supposed to be arriving this weekend and it looks miserably hot over there hahaha. I live in Texas so I have had my fair share of "hot" temperatures but Thailand seems to be on another level.

Just today, I checked and Phuket was at a "Feels like 104 F" . Who would want to "walk around and explore" in that heat? Even the water around Phuket I imagine is boiling hahaha.Indeed Thailand's is an oppressive climate. I don't like damp cold weather either of course, but humid stifling hot is no better in the long run. Thailand's weather used to be ideal when you could afford to rent a beach front bungalow on a paradise beach for months on end. Now Thailand's few clean (cleaned) beaches fetch absurd prices outside the rainy season.

When you rent a condo look out for good ceiling fans. The bed where you sleep should have a ceiling fan above it so that you can sleep without aircon. If the condo is not on a higher floor (14th floor and above), the French windows should be fitted with mosquito screens.

[Explorer8939]

A bargirl just posted her birthday announcement on Facebook. And her bank account QR code on her Facebook, so lonely guys can send her money directly.

I guess her boyfriend needs money.

Anyone who wants to send her money, I will send you her QR code. Yeah, some guys will want to do that.

[Vendelo]

Pattaya (and most of Thailand) has been really hot lately. It rained a bit yesterday which helped. However you arriving as Songkran begins, so you will be wet when you go outdoors. I am bailing for Songkran and heading for cooler Macau, with 3 Thai ladies (not all at the same time).

In summer, there is generally rain every afternoon. Good if you hit the bars in the afternoon.Do you mind if I ask how much you pay a girl per day to travel with you? Message me if you prefer. Thanks in advance.

[Vendelo]

Pattaya (and most of Thailand) has been really hot lately. It rained a bit yesterday which helped. However you arriving as Songkran begins, so you will be wet when you go outdoors. I am bailing for Songkran and heading for cooler Macau, with 3 Thai ladies (not all at the same time).

In summer, there is generally rain every afternoon. Good if you hit the bars in the afternoon.Do you mind if I ask how much you pay a girl per day to travel with you? Message me if you prefer. Thanks in advance.

[Explorer8939]

Do you mind if I ask how much you pay a girl per day to travel with you? Message me if you prefer. Thanks in advance.For short trips, 2000 baht a day. For extremely long trips 1000 baht a day.

Today, the lady with me and I are going to Macau airport to pick up another lady. The first lady will leave tomorrow. So tonight I will have to deal with 2 ladies.

Fortunately, I am in LE Parisian casino, so the ladies are a bit overwhelmed.

[Nyezhov]

For short trips, 2000 baht a day. For extremely long trips 1000 baht a day.

Today, the lady with me and I are going to Macau airport to pick up another lady. The first lady will leave tomorrow. So tonight I will have to deal with 2 ladies.

Fortunately, I am in LE Parisian casino, so the ladies are a bit overwhelmed.Yep, 1000 b a day plus expenses is the number.

[Explorer8939]

I have a trip to Koh Larn with a bargirl scheduled for the end of the month. The first night, we go alone. The second night, a mutual friend will come for the night. The third night, a bargirl I know will come.

Based on past performance, there will be lots of nudity and sex.

[Explorer8939]

A bargirl I know likes to have her pussy licked, but wants it hard. Too hard. Once she double teamed me with another bargirl, and rode my face, pushing so hard that my teeth hurt for a month (I thought I was going to lose my front teeth). So I avoid licking her pussy (what she really needs is a Tomboy to grind pussies with).

So I tried something last night: I played lesbian porn while using my fingers on her clit. She didn't cum, but had fun until my fingers gave out. Then we went to bed and she did her job.

Next time, I will try the lesbian porn with 2 ladies.

[Vendelo]

For short trips, 2000 baht a day. For extremely long trips 1000 baht a day.

Today, the lady with me and I are going to Macau airport to pick up another lady. The first lady will leave tomorrow. So tonight I will have to deal with 2 ladies.

Fortunately, I am in LE Parisian casino, so the ladies are a bit overwhelmed.Thanks for the reply!

[Explorer8939]

I had 2 ladies over for drinks last night. By midnight, we were done and they left.

At 6:30 am, one of them called me. Pro tip: under hose circumstances, Never answer the phone. It's always a story about an emergency, and she needs money. Or, more likely, her boyfriend needs money.

At 06.40, my phone rang again, a call from a different lady. She sent a bunch of messages about the bar she owns being raided by the cops because she doesn't have a business license and they put her mother in the monkeyhouse. So she needs 12,000 baht. Glad I didn't answer the call.

[Explorer8939]

One of my regulars requested that she bring a friend of hers (a civvie) to drink in my condo. I reluctantly agreed.

So today, they came. They began drinking Hong Thong with soda, the usual sprinking of alcohol in a glass of soda. After an hour, they were drinking straight shots of Hong Kong and Jose Cuervo tequila, and Doon after, both were naked.

The civvie in particular was enjoying herself immensely, her real life with a Thai husband and kids was a bit of a drag. She admitted that her sex life sucked, because she was usually too worn out to fuck.

All indicators were that she wasn't worn out today. She happily showed off her clean shaven pussy, and spent most of the afternoon sitting on my dick. The only hiccup was that the civvie wanted to molest my Thai lady friend, who was having none of it.

They'll be back in a couple of days for another round.

[Explorer8939]

I had the two ladies from a couple of days ago come back, and it was shampoo, rinse repeat. One lady was basically trying to fuck the other, but she wasn't having it.

After they left, I had my long time taxi driver over for drinks. After a bottle of wine, she admitted that she was single because she liked ladies. But she had no idea what to do if she had one.

In Thailand, ladies can go with Tomboys, no problem. But lady-lady stuff is not acceptable. So ladies don't know what to do with another lady, apart from hugging and kissing.

Maybe I can help this lady out.

[Explorer8939]

"Golden week" is upon us, the week surrounding May 1, which is a big holiday in major Asian countries. Look for yet more tour buses clogging the streets, and more East Asians in the bars.

Hopefully, after May 5 or so, Pattaya will get a lot quieter.

[Explorer8939]

A lady with me now talked about her Korean customers. Lots of drinks, not much sex, good money. Except one guy who fucked her 10 times and gave her 10,000 baht.

[SubCmdr]

Let's assume I'm somewhere between mid-30's and mid-40's, and I'm overweight (an XL, but just single X). My interests are in sex and having fun! It might not be the same as when I was 20, but I can still manage to do both pretty well.Funny story for you brother, before I arrived in Thailand I wore a size L in shorts. Here I require a 3 X to be comfortable. Now, that has been since I shopped for shorts the first week I arrived. After realizing it was mother fucking hot up in this mug. Either, there is size deflation in the Kingdom compared to where I came from or I picked up a lot of weight on the flight over. LOL!

[Nyezhov]

Funny story for you brother, before I arrived in Thailand I wore a size L in shorts. Here I require a 3 X to be comfortable. Now, that has been since I shopped for shorts the first week I arrived. After realizing it was mother fucking hot up in this mug. Either, there is size deflation in the Kingdom compared to where I came from or I picked up a lot of weight on the flight over. LOL!Those of us who are familiar with Southeast Asia are well aware of the size difference in men's and believe it or not in women's clothing. So I wasn't particularly amused.

[Explorer8939]

Funny story for you brother, before I arrived in Thailand I wore a size L in shorts. Here I require a 3 X to be comfortable. Now, that has been since I shopped for shorts the first week I arrived. After realizing it was mother fucking hot up in this mug. Either, there is size deflation in the Kingdom compared to where I came from or I picked up a lot of weight on the flight over. LOL!There is size deflation in Thailand. Save money by charging for 2 XL, but give customer L.

[Banana Boi]

https://www.iusw.org/sex-worker-statistics/

I'm not sure how accurate these numbers are and don't know this site but photo is from an October 2023 article.

Why I'm posting this is that it really got me to question why so many Indians come to Thailand for sex. Was surprised to see there are 3 million prostitutes in India compared to only 250,000 in all of Thailand. I assume India would be less expensive for Thailand as well for hookers (as opposed to USA, Germany, etc being more expensive). Do Indian guys just not like Indian girls? Do Indian guys have Asian girl fever? Would seem like staying where you are and having access to 12 times more hookers is better than having to travel to get your fix.

[AggieDad1]

https://www.iusw.org/sex-worker-statistics/

I'm not sure how accurate these numbers are and don't know this site but photo is from an October 2023 article.

Why I'm posting this is that it really got me to question why so many Indians come to Thailand for sex. Was surprised to see there are 3 million prostitutes in India compared to only 250,000 in all of Thailand. I assume India would be less expensive for Thailand as well for hookers (as opposed to USA, Germany, etc being more expensive). Do Indian guys just not like Indian girls? Do Indian guys have Asian girl fever? Would seem like staying where you are and having access to 12 times more hookers is better than having to travel to get your fix.One million in the USA and yet I have never seen one in the wild I would fuck, even if the price was reasonable.

[TConor]

https://www.iusw.org/sex-worker-statistics/

I'm not sure how accurate these numbers are and don't know this site but photo is from an October 2023 article.

Why I'm posting this is that it really got me to question why so many Indians come to Thailand for sex. Was surprised to see there are 3 million prostitutes in India compared to only 250,000 in all of Thailand. I assume India would be less expensive for Thailand as well for hookers (as opposed to USA, Germany, etc being more expensive). Do Indian guys just not like Indian girls? Do Indian guys have Asian girl fever? Would seem like staying where you are and having access to 12 times more hookers is better than having to travel to get your fix.The 20 largest countries as of 2024:

India: 1,428,627,663 people1.

China: 1,425,671,352 people1.

United States: 339,996,563 people1.

Indonesia: 277,534,122 people1.

Pakistan: 240,485,658 people1.

Nigeria: 223,804,632 people1.

Brazil: 216,422,446 people1.

Bangladesh: 172,954,319 people1.

Russia: 144,444,359 people1.

Mexico: 128,455,567 people1.

Ethiopia: 126,527,060 people1.

Japan: 123,294,513 people1.

Philippines: 117,337,368 people1.

Egypt: 112,716,598 people1.

DR Congo (Democratic Republic of the Congo): 102,262,808 people1.

Vietnam: 98,858,950 people1.

Iran: 89,172,767 people1.

Turkey: 85,816,199 people1.

Germany: 83,294,633 people1.

Thailand: 71,801,279 people1.

[Mr Enternational]

Why I'm posting this is that it really got me to question why so many Indians come to Thailand for sex. Was surprised to see there are 3 million prostitutes in India compared to only 250,000 in all of Thailand. I assume India would be less expensive for Thailand as well for hookers (as opposed to USA, Germany, etc being more expensive). Do Indian guys just not like Indian girls? Do Indian guys have Asian girl fever? Would seem like staying where you are and having access to 12 times more hookers is better than having to travel to get your fix.Why do you assume people are traveling primarily for hookers? Should they just stay home when they have vacation because there are tons of hookers where they are from? People are not traveling just to get hookers.

[Explorer8939]

I wasn't feeling it last night. Maybe I was just tired, maybe it's too many ladies, but I got to the point where I just wanted to sleep.

Despite the naked woman grinding her pussy while she sat on me.

[SubCmdr]

Those of us who are familiar with Southeast Asia are well aware of the size difference in men's and believe it or not in women's clothing.Well include me in that category and take a look at the meaning of the word assumption while you are at it.

I have been to Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Cambodia and now Thailand. All trips previous were for business. I people to see and things to do. So, I did not have the time to run around searching for prostitutes nor did I have a need to buy clothing. My first trip Thailand was different. I outlined the differences I found in clothing sizes in a previous post. Those differences were very amusing to me.

Those who are familiar with countries outside Southeast Asia (as I am) also know that there are size differences. For example in Colombia and the Dominican Republic. I found the same difference in clothing sizes, just not a dramatic. I can normally wear an L. But in the two countries previously listed I need a XL.


So I wasn't particularly amused.Well, I can't be all things to all people nor do I want to be. But, I thank you for reading every word of every post I make in the Thailand threads and responding to them. I hope you have a great day. It is raining in Pattaya right now.

[Nyezhov]

One million in the USA and yet I have never seen one in the wild I would fuck, even if the price was reasonable.Got to catch them before they trash out, it's like hunting, you aren't getting your trophy on every hunt.

[SubCmdr]

Why do you assume people are traveling primarily for hookers? Should they just stay home when they have vacation because there are tons of hookers where they are from? People are not traveling just to get hookers.Why do you assume people are not traveling in order to have sex with prostitutes in a safe and legal manner? It is pretty obvious that people travel for that purpose. Google: "sex tourism" see what comes up. We can pick this conversation back up when you present evidence that you know why people are traveling. Because I do not. It is funny to me that you are asking that that question on a board with the purpose of sharing information on having sex with girls. A large majority of the information shared is about having sex with girls that are prostitutes.

[Banana Boi]

Why do you assume people are traveling primarily for hookers? Maybe you have a different perspective of towns like Pattaya but imo it really isn't a destination hotspot unless you're coming for girls. Don't see all those Indian guys coming to Pattaya to swim in the beach or go jet skiing.

[Mr Enternational]

Maybe you have a different perspective of towns like Pattaya but imo it really isn't a destination hotspot unless you're coming for girls. Don't see all those Indian guys coming to Pattaya to swim in the beach or go jet skiing.I do not see the busloads of Indian and Chinese families that go to Pattaya doing those activities either, so it has to be a hotspot for somebody that is not only coming for girls.

[SubCmdr]

Maybe you have a different perspective of towns like Pattaya but imo it really isn't a destination hotspot unless you're coming for girls. Don't see all those Indian guys coming to Pattaya to swim in the beach or go jet skiing.I have read your original post relating to this subject. I have good reading comprehension skills in English. You never said all visitors coming to visit Pattya or Thailand are coming for sex. You never said everyone from India come to visit Pattya for sex. The individual challenging you (or is it really just a case of a enquiring mind wanting to know) is being disingenuous.

Walk along Beach road after dark and you will see men from India chatting up the princesses standing under the palm trees. I guess the girls are looking for their prospective Indian prince to wisk them away like in a officer and a gentleman. Or could it be they are looking for customers who will pay the to fuck?

If you have actually lived in Pattaya you see many restaurants offering Indian Food and clubs that specialize in Indian Music. I see many families and couples from India in the streets. I also see many single males (solo and in groups).

There are many things that Pattaya offers. Who does not know that Pattaya is not a major sex tourism destination? But it also a beach town. Weed is legal. Many different cuisines to choose from. It is walkable and transportation both public and private is easy and inexpensive.

I'm interested in having a conversation about Pattaya as much as the next person. But lets keep it real. Are we grown men up in here? But to be completely honest, when I see a man from Japan or Korea I think: "Damn the girls in your country are gorgeous. Yet here you are on vacation and running around with a Thai girl". But I also see many visitors from Japan and Korea. Couples and families enjoying the amenities I described.

Thailand and Pattaya is many things to many different people. I think we can all agree on that. But I'll let you two get back to your debate. Just a few thoughts from the new poster and visitor up in here.

[GrapeMan]

I do not see the busloads of Indian and Chinese families that go to Pattaya doing those activities either, so it has to be a hotspot for somebody that is not only coming for girls.There's for some unknown reason fairly good advertising and touting for Pattaya as some sorta beach town close to Bangkok and they advertise it to families and such, as an alternative to the islands that is easier and cheaper. I suspect many chinese and indian family tourists don't really understand what's happening.

[TiredOf]

There's for some unknown reason fairly good advertising and touting for Pattaya as some sorta beach town close to Bangkok and they advertise it to families and such, as an alternative to the islands that is easier and cheaper. I suspect many chinese and indian family tourists don't really understand what's happening.As an Indian, I can confirm that it is true. Pattaya is indeed seen as 'vacation' for family place. I have no idea why. And infact I know many friends and their family who went for vacation there. Pattaya, Krabi and Phuket. Bangkok basically is avoided with family.

Also Phuket is considered as one of the best honeymoon destination too here, especially after India's fiasco with Malaysia, and I have many many friends who went to honeymoon there. Which is again acceptable I guess, but family visit. I can never understand why.

[Explorer8939]

A bargirl told me this story last night: her brother's girlfriend works online, got a customer, before sex he slapped some gel on her, and it burned her. She couldn't work for 2 weeks.

So, she doesn't go with new online customers.

[XXL]

... Don't see all those Indian guys coming to Pattaya to swim in the beach or go jet skiing.Well, a lot of them do actually. Dirty beach, grid-locked traffic, road-works all year-round, pneumatic drilling, building, grinding, noise noise noise, overcrowded malls, cars and bikes that try to hit you as soon as you set foot on the road.... No deterrent for Indian (and Arab) families to holiday in central Pattaya. This probably shows how utter and unmitigated shitholes those people's countries must be.

I now no longer think Pattaya wouldn't survive a crack-down on its night-life. However crappy a holiday destination these days, some dregs in the Earth's population will be found to fill it.

[Nyezhov]

Well, a lot of them do actually. Dirty beach, grid-locked traffic, road-works all year-round, overcrowding, noise. No deterrent for Indian (and Arab) families to spend holidays in central Pattaya. This probably shows how an utter and unmitigated shithole those people's country must be.

I now think Pattaya would survive a crack-down on night-life. However crappy a holiday destination these days, some dregs in the Earth's population will be found to fill it.Its like the Dominican Republic. Ya ought to see the trash that goes there.

[Explorer8939]

Question from a bargirl:

She has a customer who sits with her and buys drinks all day. But he's old and disgusting and she wants to tell him she doesn't want. But she needs a story.

So how to tell a customer SOFTLY that she doesn't want him as a customer? Any ideas?

[TooDirty]

No deterrent for Indian (and Arab) families to holiday in central Pattaya. This probably shows how utter and unmitigated shitholes those people's countries must be.Those aren't the only shitholes anymore. LOL.

[Explorer8939]

Well, a lot of them do actually. Dirty beach, grid-locked traffic, road-works all year-round, pneumatic drilling, building, grinding, noise noise noise, overcrowded malls, cars and bikes that try to hit you as soon as you set foot on the road.... No deterrent for Indian (and Arab) families to holiday in central Pattaya. This probably shows how utter and unmitigated shitholes those people's countries must be.

I now no longer think Pattaya wouldn't survive a crack-down on its night-life. However crappy a holiday destination these days, some dregs in the Earth's population will be found to fill it.There's always Blackpool.

[AggieDad1]

Question from a bargirl:

She has a customer who sits with her and buys drinks all day. But he's old and disgusting and she wants to tell him she doesn't want. But she needs a story.

So how to tell a customer SOFTLY that she doesn't want him as a customer? Any ideas?Her best move would probably be to take a few days off and hope he finds another bar and bar girl to bother. The bar manager probably would not be happy if she causes him to not show up at the bar and spend money every day.

[FilthyBeaver]

Mom is sick, dad has cancer, dog has hemeroids, sister has vd. Better yet, she has vd and needs an extra helping of antibiotics that are cultured from unicorn sperm.

Problem solved.


Question from a bargirl:

She has a customer who sits with her and buys drinks all day. But he's old and disgusting and she wants to tell him she doesn't want. But she needs a story.

So how to tell a customer SOFTLY that she doesn't want him as a customer? Any ideas?

[Mr Enternational]

A bargirl told me this story last night: her brother's girlfriend works online, got a customer, before sex he slapped some gel on her, and it burned her. She couldn't work for 2 weeks.

So, she doesn't go with new online customers.Maybe that is why some chicks get antsy when I reach for the lube and they do not know what it is.

[SubCmdr]

Regardless of where you stand on the issue, the sex tourism industry in Thailand is a significant, if tangential, component of Thailands vibrant history, and all roads lead to Bangkok home to the most active Red Light Districts in the Land of Smiles.

Mr. E, have you ever been to the Dominican Republic? Check out what this guy has to say:


Its like the Dominican Republic. Ya ought to see the trash that goes there.Spoken by a man who has admitted he has never been there. Therefore he knows not of what he speaks. Opinions are always appreciated. Facts, well those cannot be disputed. Has anyone ever been to the (Dis) United States of America? Does not rank that high on my list. Individuals who do not like Pattaya should simply not visit Pattaya or the other destinations in Thailand not to you liking. But is difficult for you to tout your superiority up in here. Since you come to Thailand and visit, what does that say about your own county. Not much in my opinion. Otherwise you would keep your ass at home. LOL!

The Dominican Republic has the some of the best unspoiled beaches in the world. Check out this from a magazine from his country of origin:

Puerto Plata

#13 in Best Caribbean Beaches for 2024

"Puerto Plata in the Dominican Republic is known for its vibrant culture, affordable all-inclusive resorts and numerous beaches. Playa Dorada (or Golden Beach) located on the country's Amber Coast, is one of the region's most popular shorelines. Here, travelers can enjoy some are&are or rent equipment for a day of water sports activities. Meanwhile, Key Paradise is an excellent place to admire various marine and coral life while snorkeling. For a quieter beach experience, try Cofresi Beach, where you can enjoy one of the several restaurants nearby or spend a day at the adjacent Ocean World Adventure Park. ".

This is but one of the many many beach locations available. The absolute best one will remain a secret that I share only with those close to me. Every Dominican girl I have taken there has been amazed the place exists in their own country.

[Pk099]

Lets make it very clear.

If you are single or going to pattaya with group of guys only, then you going for sex and nothing else.

You will take pictures jet skiing or enjoying beach only to show your parents back home. But real reason is sex.

If you going with family, then you are there to see what is the buzz about and how you can come alone next time to enjoy what other single guys are enjoying.

To answer why Indians go there is, they can see 1000's of hot looking girls in bars and can choose of girl of their choice.

It is like fantasy come true, mind game, guys feel like king when they get to choose the girl.

Hookers in India are low quality and guys don't want to be seen in the red-light area.

You don't get the bar scene like Pattaya, in any city in India.


Why do you assume people are traveling primarily for hookers?

[Miss MaryHinge]

There's always Blackpool.🤣129315;.

Word.

[CaliGuy33]

Lets make it very clear.

If you are single or going to pattaya with group of guys only, then you going for sex and nothing else.

You will take pictures jet skiing or enjoying beach only to show your parents back home. But real reason is sex.

If you going with family, then you are there to see what is the buzz about and how you can come alone next time to enjoy what other single guys are enjoying.

To answer why Indians go there is, they can see 1000's of hot looking girls in bars and can choose of girl of their choice.

It is like fantasy come true, mind game, guys feel like king when they get to choose the girl.

Hookers in India are low quality and guys don't want to be seen in the red-light area.

You don't get the bar scene like Pattaya, in any city in India.Does it matter why people go to Pattaya? We're all there for ass.

I see foreign couples and families there all the time so it must be a non monger touristic spot as well. But Pattaya doesn't exist if it wasn't a monger destination.

Pattaya is also a popular weekend getaway for Thais as well too. So don't assume every lady you see is on offer.

[D Cups]

Regardless of where you stand on the issue, the sex tourism industry in Thailand is a significant, if tangential, component of Thailands vibrant history, and all roads lead to Bangkok home to the most active Red Light Districts in the Land of Smiles.

Mr. E, have you ever been to the Dominican Republic? Check out what this guy has to say:

Spoken by a man who has admitted he has never been there. Therefore he knows not of what he speaks. Opinions are always appreciated. Facts, well those cannot be disputed. Has anyone ever been to the (Dis) United States of America? Does not rank that high on my list. Individuals who do not like Pattaya should simply not visit Pattaya or the other destinations in Thailand not to you liking. But is difficult for you to tout your superiority up in here. Since you come to Thailand and visit, what does that say about your own county. Not much in my opinion. Otherwise you would keep your ass at home. LOL!

The Dominican Republic has the some of the best unspoiled beaches in the world. Check out this from a magazine from his country of origin:

Puerto PlataSub, I'm gonna defend Mr. E here. I met him at Pacos Grand in Santo Domingo a few years ago and he was quite amiable to me. The guy has traveled more than just about anyone on ISG. Your travels pale in comparison.

#13 in Best Caribbean Beaches for 2024

"Puerto Plata in the Dominican Republic is known for its vibrant culture, affordable all-inclusive resorts and numerous beaches. Playa Dorada (or Golden Beach) located on the country's Amber Coast, is one of the region's most popular shorelines. Here, travelers can enjoy some are&are or rent equipment for a day of water sports activities. Meanwhile, Key Paradise is an excellent place to admire various marine and coral life while snorkeling. For a quieter beach experience, try Cofresi Beach, where you can enjoy one of the several restaurants nearby or spend a day at the adjacent Ocean World Adventure Park. ".

This is but one of the many many beach locations available. The absolute best one will remain a secret that I share only with those close to me. Every Dominican girl I have taken there has been amazed the place exists in their own country.Sub, I'm going to defend Mr. E here. I met him at Pacos Grand in Santo Domingo a few years ago and he was quite amiable to me. The guy has traveled more than just about anyone on ISG. Sorry buddy, your travels are dwarfed by comparison although I'm glad you finally expanded beyond DR. I still go to DR annually to see my three super busty porn queen regulars there even tho I live in PI now. Cheers.

[SubCmdr]

I do not think "trash" goes to the Dominican Republic. One man's opinion. Why it was even brought up here I have no idea. Especially when we know Bangkok is the sex capital of Thailand.

D Cups Please do not drag your problems with me half way across the world and into the Thailand Forum. I do not see you adding anything to the discussion about having sex with girls in Thailand. Your blind loyalty to Mr. E has prevented you from using your reading compression skills or you wrote your response to my post with your head buried between DD's of your favorite girl (you pick the country).

Read my post again, carefully this time. I was not attacking Mr. E. he needs no defense. You must not have read the post made about the Dominican Republic.


Its like the Dominican Republic. Ya ought to see the trash that goes there.I simply asked if Mr. E had been to the Dominican Republic. I asked his opinion about the post that I quoted.

Now I ask you, what do you think of what OP said? You travel to the Dominican Republic. Do you consider yourself trash?


Sub, I'm going to defend Mr. E here. I met him at Pacos Grand in Santo Domingo a few years ago and he was quite amiable to me.Good for you. I have also met Mr. E. It was at an event thrown by BBQ Ribs (RIP). My experience and impression of him are very different from yours. But that is ok.


The guy has traveled more than just about anyone on ISG. Sorry buddy, your travels are dwarfed by comparison although I'm glad you finally expanded beyond DR.Hardly! How many countries have I visited? You do not know do you. That is because I was traveling long before I ever posted to ISG.

Where have I visited in Latin America? Mexico, Chile, Paraguay many countries in the Caribbean.


I have been to Japan, South Korea, Indonesia, Cambodia and now Thailand. All trips previous were for business. I people to see and things to do. So, I did not have the time to run around searching for prostitutesThis is an incomplete list. All for business and the trips occurred long before I even knew ISG existed. By the way, what is the color of a diplomatic passport these days? Have you ever flown on an airplane that had the call sign Air Force 2? Ask Mr. E if he has?

You congratulated me for expanding beyond the Dominican Republic. Really? Is that what you think? Friends tell me you are a educated man. How did you make assumption that was so wrong? By reading ISG posts?

Now I choose to live in different countries. By live I mean I keep a permanent residence in multiple countries. Do you do that? If so since when? Is it something you have only managed to do since you retired?


I still go to DR annually to see my three super busty porn queen regulars there even tho I live in PI now. Cheers.Good for you. I am glad you are enjoying your retirement. But if you are how is it that you have time to "defend Mr. E"?

Where do I live now? Am I a tourist visiting Thailand?

If you have the time and inclination to visit Thailand and you would like me to share "boots on the ground" knowledge with you, you will not be the first. But I know you would not be interested in my help. My understanding is that Mr. E lives in Pattaya. But I don't know that for sure. But you can call him. After all I am most certain he will help you out considering the vigorous defense you put up for him.

The Prosecution rests!

I will not wait for your apology. LOL!

[Miss MaryHinge]

My hotel is on Soi 11 and I saw, which I hadn't before- in 2022- , a dozen or so bucket-hatted black dealers toward the lower end of the Soi (toward Sukhumvit end), around and in the vicinity of the 7/11 (not the corner one) and. Standing alone or in small groups of threes or fours, I guess they're pushing harder stuff now.

[Nyezhov]

My hotel is on Soi 11 and I saw, which I hadn't before- in 2022- , a dozen or so bucket-hatted black dealers toward the lower end of the Soi (toward Sukhumvit end), around and in the vicinity of the 7/11 (not the corner one) and. Standing alone or in small groups of threes or fours, I guess they're pushing harder stuff now.They pushed the Africans off Suk. Should deport them all like they used to.

[Coolie High]

Sub, I'm going to defend Mr. E here. I met him at Pacos Grand in Santo Domingo a few years ago and he was quite amiable to me. The guy has traveled more than just about anyone on ISG. Sorry buddy, your travels are dwarfed by comparison although I'm glad you finally expanded beyond DR. I still go to DR annually to see my three super busty porn queen regulars there even tho I live in PI now. Cheers.Yo big brother D Cups, RE-read that again. SubCmdr was telling Mr. E too "look at" what Nyezhov had to say about the DR. Sub and Mr. E knows the DR VERY well just like you. Salute!!

[D Cups]

Yo big brother D Cups, RE-read that again. SubCmdr was telling Mr. E too "look at" what Nyezhov had to say about the DR. Sub and Mr. E knows the DR VERY well just like you. Salute!Apologies.

[SubCmdr]

I just spent time with a lovely young lady (younger than me). She came by my room and picked me up on her motor bike. Took me to the restaurant of my choice. Made our order for us making sure I received all the modifications I wanted and that everything was correct. We enjoyed our meal together discussing things in our lives and just enjoying each others company.

This is a very different experience for me because I never used to enjoy the company of a girl outside of the bedroom. I just went through the motions to get the panties on the floor. After our meal, she offered to take me wherever I wanted to go. She had other errands to complete and so could not join me in the room. But she offered to come back the next day if I would have her. We hugged and she headed off on her motorbike waving to me as she left.

I am writing this while the experience is still fresh in my mind. Because I got back to my room and just laughed at all of my critics that be hating on me living my best life. The best part of Pattaya for me is not the girls. It is living life on my own terms. It is the things that I have the opportunity to enjoy that I didn't before because I was on my grind. It is the environment of peace that exists for me everyday. It is nice having just one individual who gives a fuck if I am still breathing day to day. That gentlemen is priceless.

I have to ask myself, why do I spend my precious time responding to those that are so devoid of happiness in their lives that they feel they need to spend it lashing out at me? I have no good answer for myself. Other than to admit, that I like the written tennis matches. Not like there is any risk at all. Other than maybe wanting that time back at some point. But I like to write. I am good at it. Those who want the last word, they won't get if from me if they continue to engage in a negative fashion.

misleading positivity my ass!

I am feeling sorry for those whose lives are filled with the kind of extreme negativity to the point that it pervades everything they do in their lives. Since when did being overly positive create a problem? I believe in purpose. It is an inner thing. Does not matter where you happen to be. Your purpose is internal. It goes with you and drives and directs you everywhere you go.

So Pattaya may not be the best place for anyone one of you to hire prostitutes. I am not saying it is the best place for me to do that. But I can tell you that is the best place overall that I have ever lived. Since I do not travel just to hire prostitutes that is the only perspective I have the ability to share when writing about Pattaya. It is a good place for me to live.

[SubCmdr]

So I am reading the Bangkok thread. Certain individuals are saying that only the poor goto Thailand. Yet, what are they writing about: Thailand. Either they are just making up stories or they have failed to upgrade their travel plans after they got rich. LOL!


Of course for people who live on retirement savings or limited monthly income, current prices in Thailand will sound expensive than they used to pay before.


Take the avg Sexpats.

He made $35,000 in 2000. I wouldn't be surprised if he still makes $35,000.

Sexpats are not known for Progressing income.

Rich and Famous are not attracted to Thailand. Broke and poor flock to Thailand like there's no Tomorrow.

[Explorer8939]

I pay ladies 2000 baht to come to my condo to drink. I don't tell them what to do, it's up to them. Obviously, if they are not fun, I don't invite them back. But I don't fuck every lady who comes to the condo.

I rarely will invite 2 ladies, because they tend to ignore me most of the time. The main reason to invite 2 is when one is a first timer, typically a friend of the first lady. And often the new girl is a civvie. Or sometimes one of the ladies can't speak English, and I need a translator.

If the bar girl is 30+ years old, she is probably looking for a sponsor / boyfriend, so she will try hard, but only for a few visits. If she doesn't get what she wants fairly quickly, she will make herself unavailable.

[Explorer8939]

Someone mentioned Thai men paying 1000 baht in Pattaya.

That's a bit of a misconception. First off, there really isn't a Short Time scene in Pattaya, there aren't bars like our bars where you can bar fine a lady. There were reports before COVID of such bars in Naklua "behind the Esso station", but I never went.

Thai bars are "host" bars. A customer will buy a bottle of Thai whisky, and invite a lady to drink. Ultimately, he will give her a small tip, but cannot bar fine her. If he repeats, he might make an offer to hookup during the next day, but it might be a date, not pay for play, since the ladies are mostly looking for a boyfriend with money.

The other factor is that there is a deficit of young men in Pattaya. The ladies I know who have younger boyfriends give them money. It's not strictly pay for play, it's not payment for sex, it's a process where the man "borrows" money indefinitely, but never pays back. In fact, it is normally shameful for a lady to admit she gives money to her boyfriend, because the implication is that she is paying the young man for sex, and Thai ladies cannot admit to another Thai that they like sex. So they tell themselves they are lending money to the boyfriend, and don't tell anyone else.

[Explorer8939]

The difference between Mexican, Russian and Thai bar girls:

A Mexican bar girl will go with you for no more than 2 weeks before she misses her Mexican boyfriend. Sometimes less than 2 weeks.

A Russian lady will marry you, and when she gets her Green Card after 5 years, she will walk out the door, and arrange for her Russian boyfriend to meet her.

A Thai lady will hang with you until you are dead. Then she will take your money and hand it to her Thai boyfriend. That's the plan, but it's common for the bar girl to expire before her Farang victim.

[Explorer8939]

Most mongers are blissfully unaware of the Thai club scene in Pattaya. These start up late at night, and allow bar girls to hook up with alleged single Thai men. A lot of the men are unemployed or work sporadically, instead living off the earnings of bar girls.

Since there is a shortage of available Thai men in Pattaya, these clubs are very popular.

Bar girls will often post on Facebook when they go, if they show a stage with musicians performing, generally, they will be in one of those clubs. Of course, the bar girl won't show any Thai men with them, because they don't want customers to see them with a Thai man.

[BurberryPorch]

Sukhumvit Road has become so bad this year. 90% of the ones of the road are all ladyboys. Just some sporadic activity outside Theramae cafe though.

[Explorer8939]

When I have a lady come to my condo, there is always drinking. Sometimes two sessions a day. So I drink a lot.

That's probably the case for guys who come 2 week holidays. Lots of drinking.

But now I am in the US, and don't touch alcohol. Nor do I have any desire.

But I go to Mexico in a few days, and there will be drinking.

Weird.

[Nyezhov]

Sukhumvit Road has become so bad this year. 90% of the ones of the road are all ladyboys. Just some sporadic activity outside Theramae cafe though.Really? It wasn't like that last month could you give us some more details. Have a lady boys moved locations on the street? Why do you said the action was sporadic?

[MohdirFan82]

I had similar strange thing happened to me, met a girl on TF. She picked me up in nice car.

We went out to eat, She insist to pay, after that we went out to a bar and had a beer and played pool again.

She insisted to pay, As we were talking the truth came out. She was sugar baby of a Taiwanese bussniessman.

I believe he got rid of her cause she gained weight and not old and pretty anymore or something happened and she needed some company.

She came with me to my hotel, I fucked her brain out and even creampied her 2 times. Never paid her a penny.

Next day, Never heared from her again, she wouldent respond or answer. Oh well its Pattaya.


I just spent time with a lovely young lady (younger than me). She came by my room and picked me up on her motor bike. Took me to the restaurant of my choice. Made our order for us making sure I received all the modifications I wanted and that everything was correct. We enjoyed our meal together discussing things in our lives and just enjoying each others company.

This is a very different experience for me because I never used to enjoy the company of a girl outside of the bedroom. I just went through the motions to get the panties on the floor. After our meal, she offered to take me wherever I wanted to go. She had other errands to complete and so could not join me in the room. But she offered to come back the next day if I would have her. We hugged and she headed off on her motorbike waving to me as she left.

I am writing this while the experience is still fresh in my mind. Because I got back to my room and just laughed at all of my critics that be hating on me living my best life. The best part of Pattaya for me is not the girls. It is living life on my own terms. It is the things that I have the opportunity to enjoy that I didn't before because I was on my grind. It is the environment of peace that exists for me everyday. It is nice having just one individual who gives a fuck if I am still breathing day to day. That gentlemen is priceless.

I have to ask myself, why do I spend my precious time responding to those that are so devoid of happiness in their lives that they feel they need to spend it lashing out at me? I have no good answer for myself. Other than to admit, that I like the written tennis matches. Not like there is any risk at all. Other than maybe wanting that time back at some point. But I like to write. I am good at it. Those who want the last word, they won't get if from me if they continue to engage in a negative fashion.

misleading positivity my ass!

I am feeling sorry for those whose lives are filled with the kind of extreme negativity to the point that it pervades everything they do in their lives. Since when did being overly positive create a problem? I believe in purpose. It is an inner thing. Does not matter where you happen to be. Your purpose is internal. It goes with you and drives and directs you everywhere you go.

So Pattaya may not be the best place for anyone one of you to hire prostitutes. I am not saying it is the best place for me to do that. But I can tell you that is the best place overall that I have ever lived. Since I do not travel just to hire prostitutes that is the only perspective I have the ability to share when writing about Pattaya. It is a good place for me to live.

[MohdirFan82]

I talked to few of them, what I found out. Some of them are refugees.

They either have student visas, or some sort of long term visas and they registered with UNHCR to resettled in third country.

Some of them are pimps who brought their girlfriends, sisters, or friend who they are pimping.

Girls just go around and seek custumer while they wait or watch out. I dout they are pushing any hard stuff.


My hotel is on Soi 11 and I saw, which I hadn't before- in 2022- , a dozen or so bucket-hatted black dealers toward the lower end of the Soi (toward Sukhumvit end), around and in the vicinity of the 7/11 (not the corner one) and. Standing alone or in small groups of threes or fours, I guess they're pushing harder stuff now.

[Banana Boi]

To the guy I've been PM'ing with a bit over the past few days please clear your PM box. Can't respond to your questions. Also, a second attempt for Goatscrot to clear his PM box even though I've long forgotten what I wanted to say to you!

[CIMguy]

I talked to few of them, what I found out. Some of them are refugees.

They either have student visas, or some sort of long term visas and they registered with UNHCR to resettled in third country.

Some of them are pimps who brought their girlfriends, sisters, or friend who they are pimping.

Girls just go around and seek custumer while they wait or watch out. I dout they are pushing any hard stuff.Yes, since they went legal with the weed, you can now find African guys selling harder stuff on the street. I enjoy smoking weed now and then, but I don't want people trying to sell me hard drugs walking down the sidewalk. It's the same way in Europe. It's always African immigrants selling. I imagine they have trouble finding other work, but I also suspect it's organized crime. It's too prevalent to be a coincidence.

I'm concerned that they will sour the Thai people on the idea of keeping weed legal. It's one thing to have people buying weed in shops. Getting harassed on the street is something else. I'd like it to stay legal. Of course, with the money the gov't is probably making, it would probably take something major to have them shut it down.

[SubCmdr]

All this talk about bar girl this and bar girl that. Be men. Speak direct. Call them what they are. Prostitutes. Girls that you hire for companionship / sex or both. Does not matter where you find them they all are providing the same basic services.

That being said I have not found a prostitute that wants to anything other than earn her money and go spend it else where. The prostitutes that seek me out for return visits are good business people. Smart marketing. They do no ask me for money. They ask if they have more business with me. I cannot hate on someone trying to make their money.

The only girls that ask me for money have been from Bangkok. They have never met me and when I tell them they can com to Pattaya and have sex with me they are quick to claim they are not prostitutes. Nope, they are just quick to ask a stranger for money. I have only met one girl who was into me for the sex. No money other than her travel and the entertainment expenses for what I wanted to do while she was with me.

I personally do not understand all this talk about sponsorship and the draining of wallets. Maybe it happens. Maybe it does not. I do not know of one simple person that has a problem similar to what has been described here. It is like some ISG urban or YouTube legion. A friend of a friend of a friend. WTF?

[Explorer8939]

All this talk about bar girl this and bar girl that. Be men. Speak direct. Call them what they are. Prostitutes. Girls that you hire for companionship / sex or both. Does not matter where you find them they all are providing the same basic services.

That being said I have not found a prostitute that wants to anything other than earn her money and go spend it else where. The prostitutes that seek me out for return visits are good business people. Smart marketing. They do no ask me for money. They ask if they have more business with me. I cannot hate on someone trying to make their money.

The only girls that ask me for money have been from Bangkok. They have never met me and when I tell them they can com to Pattaya and have sex with me they are quick to claim they are not prostitutes. Nope, they are just quick to ask a stranger for money. I have only met one girl who was into me for the sex. No money other than her travel and the entertainment expenses for what I wanted to do while she was with me.

I personally do not understand all this talk about sponsorship and the draining of wallets. Maybe it happens. Maybe it does not. I do not know of one simple person that has a problem similar to what has been described here. It is like some ISG urban or YouTube legion. A friend of a friend of a friend. WTF?I have five or so bar girls from my rotation who are now back in the village because some lonely guy is giving them money for nothing. When the lonely guy runs out of money, the ladies will come back.

One lady has a yo-yo sponsor. He stops and starts. She never actually makes it to my place, because he will wire her cash after a fight.

And then there are ladies with minor sponsors, guys who send small amounts on an irregular basis. Sometimes that means that a bar girl will sleep in my condo rather than head out at midnight to secure another customer.

[MohdirFan82]

Its so facinating some westreners lonely guys, or Koreans / Japns send this girls money for no reason.

A girl I regularly talk from TF sends me screen shots always that her online friend / boyfriend sent her money for no damn reason.

They just want to hear good morning, good night and just someone keep talking to them.


I have five or so bar girls from my rotation who are now back in the village because some lonely guy is giving them money for nothing. When the lonely guy runs out of money, the ladies will come back.

One lady has a yo-yo sponsor. He stops and starts. She never actually makes it to my place, because he will wire her cash after a fight.

And then there are ladies with minor sponsors, guys who send small amounts on an irregular basis. Sometimes that means that a bar girl will sleep in my condo rather than head out at midnight to secure another customer.

[Banana Boi]

I read a headline that expats will need to start paying taxes in 2025. I'm guessing this is tied into the other new announcement that digital nomads will be allowed to stay in Thailand for extended periods. Guys had been saying they will just switch their occupation from Retired to Digital Nomad since it seems to be a much easier way to stay long term in Thailand.

[SubCmdr]

I read a headline that expats will need to start paying taxes in 2025. I'm guessing this is tied into the other new announcement that digital nomads will be allowed to stay in Thailand for extended periods. Guys had been saying they will just switch their occupation from Retired to Digital Nomad since it seems to be a much easier way to stay long term in Thailand.Has nothing to do with being a expat. It has everything to do with tax law in Thailand and if you are a tax resident of Thailand. Being a Digital Nomad is not going to keep you from paying taxes if you fulfill the requirement to be a tax resident. As for the ease of getting the immigration status you desire I do not know. Individuals should seek counsel from trained Thai professionals if they need assistance with either taxation in Thailand or Immigration issues.

[SubCmdr]

Define what you mean by sponsor to me.


I have five or so bar girls from my rotation who are now back in the village because some lonely guy is giving them money for nothing. When the lonely guy runs out of money, the ladies will come back.

One lady has a yo-yo sponsor. He stops and starts. She never actually makes it to my place, because he will wire her cash after a fight.

And then there are ladies with minor sponsors, guys who send small amounts on an irregular basis. Sometimes that means that a bar girl will sleep in my condo rather than head out at midnight to secure another customer.

[EihTooms]

Has nothing to do with being a expat. It has everything to do with tax law in Thailand and if you are a tax resident of Thailand. Being a Digital Nomad is not going to keep you from paying taxes if you fulfill the requirement to be a tax resident. As for the ease of getting the immigration status you desire I do not know. Individuals should seek counsel from trained Thai professionals if they need assistance with either taxation in Thailand or Immigration issues.I agree. However, it being Thailand I suspect I will not really know what is meant by "tax resident" until I am sitting across from the Immigration Officer wielding the O-A Long Stay (Retirement) Visa stamp and she tells me whether I need to pay Thai taxes or not in order to get the ink on it stamped into my passport. Even if I have been given expert, professional, paid advice about it beforehand, whatever that Immigration Officer was told about it that morning will prevail.

However, if Thailand decides to drop the decades' long No Dual Taxation agreement they have had with my country and that of every other expat and frequent long stay visitor I know and decide we are all now Thai "tax residents", that is going to create a mad rush of USD and other currency out of Thailand and into somewhere else.

Which does not sound like something the Thai Government is all that fired up to do in the near future.

True or not, this just in:

THAILAND EASES VISA RULES TO BOOST ECONOMY URGENTLY.
May 28, 2024

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/life/tourism/2024/05/28/thailand-eases-visa-rules-to-boost-economy-urgently/

[Davey1965]

I read a headline that expats will need to start paying taxes in 2025. I'm guessing this is tied into the other new announcement that digital nomads will be allowed to stay in Thailand for extended periods. Guys had been saying they will just switch their occupation from Retired to Digital Nomad since it seems to be a much easier way to stay long term in Thailand.This new tax interpretation was announced last year, so has nothing to do with the latest Visa situation. Also the new DTV Visa only allows you to stay for 180 days per year with one option in 5 years to extend an additional 180 days. So not really an option if retired and living in Thailand year round.

[Mr Enternational]

that is going to create a mad rush of USD and other currency out of Thailand and into somewhere else.

Which does not sound like something the Thai Government is all that fired up to do in the near future.Maybe this is Thailand trying to tell you to hold its beer.

https://www.cointribune.com/en/thailand-and-china-ditching-the-dollar/

[SubCmdr]

I agree. However, it being Thailand I suspect I will not really know what is meant by "tax resident" until I am sitting across from the Immigration Officer wielding the O-A Long Stay (Retirement) Visa stamp and she tells me whether I need to pay Thai taxes or not in order to get the ink on it stamped into my passport. Even if I have been given expert, professional, paid advice about it beforehand, whatever that Immigration Officer was told about it that morning will prevail.The definition of "tax resident" in Thailand is if you spend 180 days or more in Thailand you are considered a "Tax Resident". If you have income over a certain level derived by sources in Thailand you may be subject to tax on that income even if you are not a "tax resident". Of course all of this depends upon your personal tax situation.

You are correct. The relationship of tax residency to immigration status is unknown at this time.

[Explorer8939]

Define what you mean by sponsor to me.A sponsor is a customer who sends money to a bar girl after he goes home.

If it's small money, the bar girl will continue to work bar.

If the sponsor sends large money, there is the expectation that the bar girl will stop work, and maybe go back to the village.

In return, the sponsor gets. Nothing.

There are variations of the above. One lady has a sponsor who lives in Pattaya and gives 30,000 baht a month. The bar girl sees him a few days per month, and otherwise, lives with her Thai husband. She went to Kazakhstan with me for 2 weeks recently, told her sponsor some story.

Some sponsors convince themselves that they are the boyfriend. These are men who are not 100% with the program, and are awkward around women. They message the bar girl constantly, a major irritant for the bar girl.

Never give money to a bar girl if you aren't there, as it provides a financial incentive for her not to want to see you.

[Banana Boi]

Also the new DTV Visa only allows you to stay for 180 days per year with one option in 5 years to extend an additional 180 days.Thanks guys I know nothing about this stuff since it doesn't apply to me. As for the above statement aren't we already allowed to stay in Thailand 180 days per year? I guess this new option is 180 days continuously? For me 180 days continuously is boring. Doing Visa runs to other monger destinations monthly is more fun. I'm not sure if I'll ever move back to Thailand. The bar scene isn't the same as it once was.

[Explorer8939]

A freelancer who comes to my condo once in a while to drink has started posting on Facebook complaining I don't love her anymore. Ignoring the fact that I am in Mexico, she is probably frustrated that I don't invite her to come drink.

It's a common ploy for bar girls to claim they "love" some customer, but I do have a small apprehension that this one is crazy.

Last year, she popped out a baby from some Chinese customer. The baby went to the village, and the Chinese guy is allegedly sending money. How she could prove the Chinese guy is the father, I have no idea how that works.

Maybe she is working on Baby Daddy #2 with me. That would piss off a lot of other bar girls.

[Mr Enternational]

There are variations of the above. One lady has a sponsor who lives in Pattaya and gives 30,000 baht a month. The bar girl sees him a few days per month, and otherwise, lives with her Thai husband. After umpteen years I finally hear one of these stories. 18 year old Thai Friendly chick who is new to Pattaya just came over. She is temporarily staying with her friend and the girl's Thai boyfriend. She said he works in a host bar. The girl works in a beer bar and is supported by a foreigner. My girl said he is either from Denmark or Australia and lives here. He bought her a car and is going to build a house for her. I said the guy has never tried to come to her room? She also said the guy has many girls. She saw him on a motorbike yesterday with a girl hugged up on him. I said maybe he is driving Bolt.

When the girl was on the way to see me she sent her location. I said good. That is only a 3 minute walk. You will be here quickly. She confessed to calling Bolt though because she really was not sure where I was located. Bolt probably looked at her like she was crazy. I did that same shit when I first started going to Brazil. Took a taxi to an address that was right across the street from the spot I caught it from.

[Banana Boi]

Just read the visa exempt stamp will increase from 30 to 60 days effective June 1. May need to change my travel dates to Thailand to take advantage of this.

[Explorer8939]

The definition of "tax resident" in Thailand is if you spend 180 days or more in Thailand you are considered a "Tax Resident". If you have income over a certain level derived by sources in Thailand you may be subject to tax on that income even if you are not a "tax resident". Of course all of this depends upon your personal tax situation.

You are correct. The relationship of tax residency to immigration status is unknown at this time.All true.

This year, I am capping my time in Thailand at 179 days, and traveling the rest of the time (I am in the Hong Kong bar in Tijuana, Mexico currently). My plan is to do the same early next year, while waiting to see how this tax stuff works out.

Anyone bringing money into Thailand who stays in Thailand 180+ days this year will probably have have to file a tax return next year. But, Thailand has a history of announcing stuff that never happens, so maybe this will all be forgotten next year.

[MassageLover81]

A freelancer who comes to my condo once in a while to drink has started posting on Facebook complaining I don't love her anymore. Ignoring the fact that I am in Mexico, she is probably frustrated that I don't invite her to come drink.

It's a common ploy for bar girls to claim they "love" some customer, but I do have a small apprehension that this one is crazy.

Last year, she popped out a baby from some Chinese customer. The baby went to the village, and the Chinese guy is allegedly sending money. How she could prove the Chinese guy is the father, I have no idea how that works.

Maybe she is working on Baby Daddy #2 with me. That would piss off a lot of other bar girls.Posting on Facebook is scary. Imagine if she posts and tags you so everyone can see!

Why would the other bar girls be pissed off? Is it because they want to have a baby with you?

[Houston Player]

All true.

This year, I am capping my time in Thailand at 179 days, and traveling the rest of the time (I am in the Hong Kong bar in Tijuana, Mexico currently). My plan is to do the same early next year, while waiting to see how this tax stuff works out.

Anyone bringing money into Thailand who stays in Thailand 180+ days this year will probably have have to file a tax return next year. But, Thailand has a history of announcing stuff that never happens, so maybe this will all be forgotten next year.My solution to the tax situation is to apply for the LTR visa. I think most American expats can qualify. It's a 10 year visa (actually 5 years and renewable for 5 years) and comes with the caveat of being tax exempt.

[HorseTrader]

Just read the visa exempt stamp will increase from 30 to 60 days effective June 1. May need to change my travel dates to Thailand to take advantage of this.This does away with my need to get the E-Visa, which costs $40 and takes about 2 hours of my time to apply. The following is the best descriptive article I've seen yet, which includes an abbreviated list of countries that qualify. "The countries eligible for visa-free stays include key tourism markets like China and India, as well as U.S., UK, Albania, UAE, Cambodia, Jamaica, Kazakhstan, Laos, Mexico, Morocco, Panama, Romania, Sri Lanka and Uzbekistan."

https://skift.com/2024/05/30/thailand-expands-visa-free-entry-93-nations-now-qualify/#:~:text=Under%20the%20new%20scheme%2C%20visitors%20can%20stay,well%20as%20U.S.%2C%20UK%2C%20Albania%2C%20UAE%2C%20Cambodia

Sorry, but I couldn't coax the hyperlink to work. You can copy the link and past into your browser, that works.

[EihTooms]

My solution to the tax situation is to apply for the LTR visa. I think most American expats can qualify. It's a 10 year visa (actually 5 years and renewable for 5 years) and comes with the caveat of being tax exempt.I have heard that about the LTR but have not yet seen it explicitly stated in an official description of an LTR; that if you have one all income brought into Thailand that has been designated as possibly Thai taxable will be tax exempt. I am talking about money transferred into Thailand, not income earned from inside Thailand. I have only read other people saying so. Maybe I just missed it.

Do you have a link for where that benefit is listed in its features?

[SubCmdr]

For me travel is a HUGE time sink and I would rather use my time in another way. So, I am going to see how the tax thing works out before uprooting my newly established life and becoming a pussy nomad wondering the world looking for new pussy experiences.

Pussy is Pussy

But to each their own. I can see the advantage of moving around. If the costs of moving around (plane tickets, temporary housing, my time) is less than paying taxes here in Thailand then I am off to BKK. I like Thailand (Pattaya) as a base. Best place I have ever lived! It offers me plenty of options. Since my life has never revolved around pussy, traveling the world in search it does not have much appeal. The girls in Pattaya are simply a bonus. I would never live in Bangkok just to have access to what some say are more attractive Thai girls. Why do that when I can just hop on a bus and travel there, fuck all I like and then come back to my superior lifestyle here?


All true.

This year, I am capping my time in Thailand at 179 days, and traveling the rest of the time (I am in the Hong Kong bar in Tijuana, Mexico currently). My plan is to do the same early next year, while waiting to see how this tax stuff works out.

Anyone bringing money into Thailand who stays in Thailand 180+ days this year will probably have have to file a tax return next year. But, Thailand has a history of announcing stuff that never happens, so maybe this will all be forgotten next year.

[MassageLover81]

A sponsor is a customer who sends money to a bar girl after he goes home.

If it's small money, the bar girl will continue to work bar.




There are variations of the above. One lady has a sponsor who lives in Pattaya and gives 30,000 baht a month. The bar girl sees him a few days per month, and otherwise, lives with her Thai husband. She went to Kazakhstan with me for 2 weeks recently, told her sponsor some story.

Some sponsors convince themselves that they are the boyfriend. These are men who are not 100% with the program, and are awkward around women. They message the bar girl constantly, a major irritant for the bar girl.

Never give money to a bar girl if you aren't there, as it provides a financial incentive for her not to want to see you.Wow this is so interesting!

You mentioned:

"If the sponsor sends large money, there is the expectation that the bar girl will stop work, and maybe go back to the village.

In return, the sponsor gets. Nothing. ".

What is considered a large money?

Why would the sponsor do that and get nothing?

Thanks!

[Explorer8939]

Wow this is so interesting!

You mentioned:

"If the sponsor sends large money, there is the expectation that the bar girl will stop work, and maybe go back to the village.

In return, the sponsor gets. Nothing. ".

What is considered a large money?

Why would the sponsor do that and get nothing?

Thanks!How much a sponsor sends to bar girl largely depends on the earnings of a bar girl, and the income of the sponsor. Or whether the bar girl has other sponsors.

One lady I know gets 30,000 baht to go back to the village. She would probably go for less, because she has a husband in the village. The sponsor knows she has a husband, he's just a simp.

[Mr Enternational]

You mentioned: "If the sponsor sends large money, there is the expectation that the bar girl will stop work, and maybe go back to the village. In return, the sponsor gets. Nothing. ". What is considered a large money? Why would the sponsor do that and get nothing?He gets to "think" he is the proud owner of some pussy. Two things I do not want are any more responsibilities and any more bills. I am not investing in shit that I have to maintain and there is no return on investment. Why do guys do it to themselves as you said? I guess they just have a lot of extra money laying around.

[XXL]

I have heard that about the LTR but have not yet seen it explicitly stated in an official description of an LTR; that if you have one all income brought into Thailand that has been designated as possibly Thai taxable will be tax exempt. I am talking about money transferred into Thailand, not income earned from inside Thailand. I have only read other people saying so. Maybe I just missed it.

Do you have a link for where that benefit is listed in its features?Not tax on remittances for LTR visa holders. This has been confirmed by the BOI as well as by at least one revenue office official (in an interview with the swiss ambassador).

https://ltr.boi.go.th/

[EihTooms]

Not tax on remittances for LTR visa holders. This has been confirmed by the BOI as well as by at least one revenue office official (in an interview with the swiss ambassador).

https://ltr.boi.go.th/Thanks. In the half dozen or so other sites I have visited that pitch assistance in getting the LTR, that is the first one that literally says the words, "Tax exemption for overseas income. " The only reference to taxes I have seen on the other sites was the "17% personal income tax for highly-skilled professionals. ".

[EihTooms]

For me travel is a HUGE time sink and I would rather use my time in another way. So, I am going to see how the tax thing works out before uprooting my newly established life and becoming a pussy nomad wondering the world looking for new pussy experiences.

Pussy is Pussy

But to each their own. I can see the advantage of moving around. If the costs of moving around (plane tickets, temporary housing, my time) is less than paying taxes here in Thailand then I am off to BKK. I like Thailand (Pattaya) as a base. Best place I have ever lived! It offers me plenty of options. Since my life has never revolved around pussy, traveling the world in search it does not have much appeal. The girls in Pattaya are simply a bonus. I would never live in Bangkok just to have access to what some say are more attractive Thai girls. Why do that when I can just hop on a bus and travel there, fuck all I like and then come back to my superior lifestyle here?I think the jury is still out on whether or not an expat or anyone else who resides in Thailand for more than 180 days in a tax year is considered a Thai "tax" resident rather than merely a Thai resident if their income comes from a country with a Double Taxation Treaty / Agreement with Thailand:

Thailands foreign income tax changes now in force.
April 25, 2024

https://www.internationaltaxreview.com/article/2d5gqguhot3jumxoajchs/sponsored/thailands-foreign-income-tax-changes-now-in-force


Double taxation relief

Thailand has double tax agreements with over 60 jurisdictions, which can modify the tax treatment under the Revenue Code; e.g., by granting taxing rights to the other country only or allowing a credit for tax paid in the other country against the tax payable in Thailand. The credit will be granted if the foreign tax is paid in accordance with the provisions of the double tax agreement and will in general be limited to the Thai tax payable on the income.

Interestingly, the Revenue Code does not contain provisions to grant personal income taxpayers a unilateral foreign tax credit in the case where the income is from a country that does not have a double tax agreement with Thailand.The above site does go on to mention the tax exempt feature referenced by Houston Player and XXL previously. But not with regard to pension and / or Social Security income specifically. Unless that is covered in the terms "income from an employment":


One of the benefits granted to an LTR visa holder is an exemption from income tax on foreign income brought into Thailand, pursuant to Royal Decree No. 743 issued under the Revenue Code. The exemption applies to income from an employment or from business carried on abroad, or from a property situated abroad, that has been brought into Thailand.And more on Double Taxation Treaties:

Double Tax Agreements in Thailand.
30/01/2023

https://belaws.com/thailand/double-tax-agreements/


Double tax agreements, also known as double tax treaties or double taxation agreements, are agreements between two countries that prevent the double taxation of income. Double tax agreements mean that any income earned by individuals or businesses in one country will not be taxed in another (assuming both countries have a double tax agreement in place).

In Thailand, double tax agreements are signed between the Thai government and the government of another country to provide relief from double taxation for individuals and businesses operating in both countries.
..........
The double tax agreement will be applied to individuals and juristic persons of a signatory state to the agreement.

To be entitled to the benefits of a double tax treaty benefits and be classified as a Thai resident, the person must satisfy the following:

*An individual who stays in Thailand for at least 180 days in a tax year

*A company registered in Thailand with the Ministry of Commerce.

[SubCmdr]

1.Taxable Person

Taxpayers are classified into "resident" and "non-resident". "Resident" means any person residing in Thailand for a period or periods aggregating more than 180 days in any tax (calendar) year. A resident of Thailand is liable to pay tax on income from sources in Thailand as well as on the portion of income from foreign sources that is brought into Thailand. A non-resident is, however, subject to tax only on income from sources in Thailand.

https://www.rd.go.th/english/6045.html

By definition, a tax resident in Thailand is a person, an individual who is present and resides one or multiple times in Thailand for a period totaling 180 days or more during a calendar year.

https://www.herrera-partners.com/tax-residency/

Juries rule on the facts of a situation as it applies to the law. Judges rules on the law.

[SubCmdr]

Whoever says "because someone told me" is operating on heresay: A statement which a witness has heard another person say, or a written statement offered in evidence without producing the author to testify as to the issues stated. Presentation of one item of evidence that you did not witness for yourself is hearsay. To draw a conclusion from that evidence is to make the:

The Hasty Generalization Fallacy

This fallacy occurs when someone draws expansive conclusions based on inadequate or insufficient evidence. It goes a little something like this: I have never heard from anyone (with whom I consider a reliable source) being stolen from by any type of prostitute in Thailand. Therefore it never happens. Am I the only one that realizes how ridiculous that sounds? The other side of the story is if some says "I never hear of girls (insert the type you wish here) stealing from guys therefore it never happens. ".

Those who are making expansive conclusions based on anecdotal evidence have made a logical fallacy in their argument. That makes what they are saying illogical. Now if they wish to take actions on those conclusions they are certainly within their right. But to insist that something is a fact when they KNOW it is just their opinion is wrong. Unfortunately they don't realize they are just giving their opinions. I don't care if they have been living here for 14 years or own 3 condos. It is still their opinion and the appeal to their own authority is just another logical fallacy.

I will not buy 40 LDs and drink with the prostitute I want to hire all night just to BBFS. LOL! Don't mean anyone else should do it or that I am better than anyone else that does that. I have never had a problem with any girl stealing from me yet and I have been traveling for 40 years. Therefore it simply does not happen.

One of the things I learned over the years is how to prepare so that you don't get got. The individuals who get stolen from are dumb mother fuckers who gave the thief and opportunity to steal from them. They take them back to their own room (dumb move). They goto a Short Time room with the girl and do not secure their things or take the shower together so that she does not leave out the his watchful eye.

That is one reason I do not do a threesome with girls I don't know. Perfect way to get ripped off! I do threesomes with girls I know in a natural place. Only bringing the items I need to bring with me. I keep a separate phone for when I am on the street that does not have my financial information on it. A "ho phone" for lack of a better word. Now if you are so important of a person that you cannot be out of touch with your "people" for an hour or two, then you are probably better off buying 40 LDs and paying outrageous amounts of money to fuck. Better safe than sorry. Yep, that type of person should not be on the street. Why? Because they are not street smart.

Beauty remains in the eyes of the beholder. Any girl is more attractive after drinking all night with her. LOL!

[Banana Boi]

Just read the visa exempt stamp will increase from 30 to 60 days effective June 1. May need to change my travel dates to Thailand to take advantage of this.Even though this was to take effect today people are landing in Thailand only to get 30 day stamps.

[SubCmdr]

Can someone tell me why people are making a big deal (looks like bragging to me) about getting BBFS from prostitutes that they are paying to have sex with?

The prostitute does BBFS as the normal course of business or they do BBFS for an additional charge or they simply don't do BBFS.

You are hiring prostitutes. The job of a prostitute that you hire is to provide the sexual services you desire. If they are not going to provide the sexual services you desire, then you simply do not hire them. I don't understand. Please help a brother out.

Did I miss something here?

[Houston Player]

I think the jury is still out on whether or not an expat or anyone else who resides in Thailand for more than 180 days in a tax year is considered a Thai "tax" resident rather than merely a Thai resident if their income comes from a country with a Double Taxation Treaty / Agreement with Thailand:

Thailands foreign income tax changes now in force.
April 25, 2024

https://www.internationaltaxreview.com/article/2d5gqguhot3jumxoajchs/sponsored/thailands-foreign-income-tax-changes-now-in-force

The above site does go on to mention the tax exempt feature referenced by Houston Player and XXL previously. But not with regard to pension and / or Social Security income specifically. Unless that is covered in the terms "income from an employment":

And more on Double Taxation Treaties:

Double Tax Agreements in Thailand.
30/01/2023

https://belaws.com/thailand/double-tax-agreements/Have you read the DTA between Thailand and the USA? It's online and downloadable. It clearly states that all USA government pensions, and Social Security are exempt from taxes in Thailand. Other forms of income (way too many to detail here) are either taxable in Thailand first with a credit toward USA taxes or are taxable in the USA first with a credit toward Thai taxes.

[EihTooms]

Have you read the DTA between Thailand and the USA? It's online and downloadable. It clearly states that all USA government pensions, and Social Security are exempt from taxes in Thailand. Other forms of income (way too many to detail here) are either taxable in Thailand first with a credit toward USA taxes or are taxable in the USA first with a credit toward Thai taxes.Excellent info. I will check that out. I rarely if ever have a need to transfer more than the amount of my Social Security / Government Pension from the USA into Thailand in a tax year to cover all my living and recreation expenses with cash. If Thailand honors that DTA as written going forward they should leave me and others in a similar situation alone on the tax issue.

[SubCmdr]

Have you read the DTA between Thailand and the USA? It's online and downloadable. It clearly states that all USA government pensions, and Social Security are exempt from taxes in Thailand. Other forms of income (way too many to detail here) are either taxable in Thailand first with a credit toward USA taxes or are taxable in the USA first with a credit toward Thai taxes.Yes!

This does not mean that you will not have to file the required forms with the Thailand Revenue Agency if you meet the qualifications and become a "Tax Resident" in Thailand as defined by the law in Thailand (previously covered). Even if there is no tax liability in Thailand there still may be a reporting requirement. I have not received any clear guidance on that issue other than just wait and see.

[UglyAzzMan]

No one is telling a certain Member how to spend his money.

There are a few of us laughing at What he spends his money on- Big Difference. Hahaha.

Imagine buying a Mattel Mickey Mouse watch and trying to convince the world it's a Seiko.

[MassageLover81]

How much a sponsor sends to bar girl largely depends on the earnings of a bar girl, and the income of the sponsor. Or whether the bar girl has other sponsors.

One lady I know gets 30,000 baht to go back to the village. She would probably go for less, because she has a husband in the village. The sponsor knows she has a husband, he's just a simp.I'm curious, how much do you think bar girls makes on average month? What is the range and rough estimate from low to high?

[EverythingThai]

Can someone tell me why people are making a big deal (looks like bragging to me) about getting BBFS from prostitutes that they are paying to have sex with?

The prostitute does BBFS as the normal course of business or they do BBFS for an additional charge or they simply don't do BBFS.

You are hiring prostitutes. The job of a prostitute that you hire is to provide the sexual services you desire. If they are not going to provide the sexual services you desire, then you simply do not hire them. I don't understand. Please help a brother out.

Did I miss something here?Because after my post on Pattaya, the guys keep harping on it. It's human nature.

[LocalExplorer]

Can someone tell me why people are making a big deal (looks like bragging to me) about getting BBFS from prostitutes that they are paying to have sex with?

The prostitute does BBFS as the normal course of business or they do BBFS for an additional charge or they simply don't do BBFS.

You are hiring prostitutes. The job of a prostitute that you hire is to provide the sexual services you desire. If they are not going to provide the sexual services you desire, then you simply do not hire them. I don't understand. Please help a brother out.

Did I miss something here?LOL, that's a good summary, basically I wrote the same thing. Yes, why do so many people on this forum discuss "do all the women in Pattaya do BBFS or just some of them" instead of "how do I get BBFS in Pattaya"? "Are the prices fair and just" or "will the prices rise by next season" instead of "what are the current prices per venue and venue type"?

Well, rhetorical questions, really.

[Turgid]

Can someone tell me why people are making a big deal (looks like bragging to me) about getting BBFS from prostitutes that they are paying to have sex with?......It is easy to tell the guys who are on here to try to boost their ego among a bunch of anonymous mongers. They post stuff like - I bang only the hottest girls in (insert name of country or brothel) or all the girls give me BBFS. Posting stuff like that makes them feel good. I suspect that those guys are the losers among us.

[SubCmdr]

I am not going to debate this anymore. If you want to fuck those girls, it's your choice. I choose not to.It was never a debate with you. You presented a false narrative that justified in your mind the reason for not going with girls from Beach Road. When refuted by multiple members it has now become a debate that you will no longer engage in. It is and always has been the choice of the man to spend his money how he wants to and go with who he wants. You of all people should have understood that. You don't want to hear all the reasons why you should not pursue BBFS with your prostitutes.


It's because many of the very active members of this forum aren't active mongers anymore, mainly because of age and health. They're just reliving their best years. That's why there are so many emotional debates with no practical implications whatsoever. Practical actionable posts are so rare. It's also why some people think they know best what is happening because they had a few dozen years of experience (making them 65-75 year old). Also explains why there's so much bitterness. Please note, this is a general remark, I am not talking about anyone specific..This should be the place where people provide actionable intelligence instead everyone wants to comment on the actions of others. But the truth is most of the posters are truly infrequent visitors to Pattaya. That is ok. Not saying that an individual has to be in Thailand in order to post. But this is the Pattaya Reports thread. There are other threads for casual conversation and being critical of others. Young men out there be aware that I am living my best life right now. I don't need to look back and relive the "glory days" and I have commented on it. Enjoy your life right now. Hope you get to be 65 - 75 years old. I know I do!


My practical answer to the BBFS question: it's your choice and your (high) risk. Relatively few girls will agree to it beforehand, many will agree when you claim to have no condom, many will agree when you offer them extra money in the room, and many will not agree under any circumstances. Exact proportions depend on the venue, the age and experience, and your own personality. If you want BBFS, definitely avoid the girls who mention condoms in the bar / on TF when negotiating. The very unexperienced and the least popular (aka old dogs who get few customers) are your safest bets, but remember these are still bets, you can never be sure.I have been saying it is each man's choice since I started posting in ISG. Still baffles me why individuals posting here still do not understand this. Still baffles me that people need to comment on the activities of others. Actually my boots on the ground experience with is you simply ask for the sexual services you want from your prostitute. Negotiate. Sometimes a girl will do a switch up on in the room. I have had girls agree to give the ass only to say no in the room. Oh well! I enjoy my session and then I simply don't go with them anymore.

I don't give a fuck what any of you like or don't like. But I do like to read about it because a report from another person may lead me to something I might like. Note that I said report. The back in forth of being critical about the actions of others does nothing for me.

[SubCmdr]

It is easy to tell the guys who are on here to try to boost their ego among a bunch of anonymous mongers. They post stuff like - I bang only the hottest girls in (insert name of country or brothel) or all the girls give me BBFS. Posting stuff like that makes them feel good. I suspect that those guys are the losers among us.Agreed


Had no idea there were 2000 baht Beach Road girls.Why would you? No one except for me hires prostitutes from Beach Road. You see all prostitutes renting their pussies all over Pattaya except for the the ones on Beach Road are high quality and worthy of the upper class monger we have posting up in her.

Yes, I have been quoted 2000 THB on Beach Road and they would not take 1500 THB. Might have been me. Don't worry about it because there are enough 1000 THB girls that are serviceable for me. Plus I have my repeats. There is a poster with a low post count that thinks I am the only man who goes with Beach Road girls. I am telling you from first hand experience that the last time I grabbed a Princess standing under a Palm Tree on Beach Road we had to wait in line for a room at The Love Inn. There is a whole lot of fucking going one in there.


Let me add some. Just walking around minding your own business and girls will hit on you. While riding a baht bus and girls start talking to you. While eating at S&P and waitress starts flirting with you not for extra tips.Yes, agreed. I have yet to have a girl hit on me yet. At least not a hot one I was interested in going with. But I did met a hottie on the Baht Bus and related the story here. Was told she was a prostitute. Well she is one of the few girls I met that was not pressed to meet me for a formal date. I lost touch with her when I was banned from Line. She was a smoker. Pretty face, tight body and going to massage school.


I always felt it's financially based. Expats retire here 10-20 years ago on a set pension. They retired thinking girls and drink prices would stay the same or the baht would remain weak. Now it's much more expensive so they can't afford to hobby as much or can't afford to hobby where the best looking girls are.If I don't double my income every ten years I'm doing something wrong. Who does not realize that with inflation being "sticky" and constant that your buying power is slowly eroding over time? Inflation makes speculators out of us all. My 1000 THB prostitutes are going to be charing 2000 THB in ten years. So I got to keep my mind right and put some work in. I so happy to be living in this day and age. So, easy to make money on your screen and your computer.

[Allover]

Even though this was to take effect today people are landing in Thailand only to get 30 day stamps.Unbelievable. The change to 60 days is one of the few Thai regulation changes that is easy to understand.

[LocalExplorer]

OK, so this is part 2 of the curious types of customers you can meet in Pattaya.

The Dumb Farang. This is more of a stereotype that working girls have, but it's a persistent one. You will be classified in this group for sure if you seem lost, don't understand basic concepts such as barfine, you look at the receipt basket itself with amazement ("what is this? Or you say it's your first time in Pattaya. But you can also get this "distinction" if you accept a clearly overpriced ST or any other service, you don't look at the receipt carefully (pretend to study each one even if you don't care) or you don't indicate to the girl you don't quite believe her obviously made-up stories. Or you might simply be having way too much fun. Once you're marked as "dumb farang", the girl and her friends will work to fleece you out of as much money as possible.

This is why I almost never accept situations, where a girl gets herself an LD I didn't agree to. It's not about money yet, but if I let it slide I'll be marked and the girl will try to immediately do the the same thing but at a larger scale. I turn serious, I finish my drink, I pay up and leave without delay, unless I know the girl a bit, then sometimes I'll give a second chance. I just make sure she really knows what my opinion of the situation is. But real-life dumb farangs do exist, I've seen a few younger guys (early 30's?) who seemed to be OK with absolutely anything the girls suggested to them.

The Old Farang. Mainly the resident ones. Stereotypically cheap charlies, often branded somewhat disparagingly "balloon chasers", because one of their favorite pastimes is said to be looking for bars with balloons. This type of decoration signals a (birthday) party: discounted drinks, and free or very discounted food. As I mentioned before, quite a few of them frequent Stunners (the gogo) and Windmill (old venue, top floor). But the most popular area for them is Soi Pothole (Soi Chaiyapoon), and especially Maggie Mays. One weekday I popped in, it was absolutely packed with white men 60+, obviously living locally, and the atmosphere was great. It was so full, there was only one girl who wasn't drinking with the customers.

Young Farang Couple in a gogo. Rare thing, but I've seen this twice in Kink. I talked to one of the couples, early 20's, they were from Germany, although the girl met all my stereotypes of a blonde Australian. They were buying some LDs, the guy got a few very enthusiastic lap dances from one of the dancers, while the German girl was not wearing underwear. She stuck her butt out and lifted her skirt to demonstrate that to the dancers. I could feel she was trying to build up the courage to do and show more, but I got bored after a few minutes. The other couple was just watching and bought an LD or two.

Farang with a Thai wife (in a gogo) - I've seen this 2 or 3 times in Kink: a white guy with a Thai wife, ordering LDs but no touching by the man. Once I noticed the wife went to the toilet, so I started teasing the older gentleman that he should use the time and get really naughty with the dancer (way hotter than the wife). The suggestion seemed to be absolutely torturing him! He was waving his hands and shouting in exasperation "I can't! I can't! My wife! My wife will kill me! You don't know her! She'll kill me! ". It was pretty hilarious! Kink always delivers. Might not be the entertainment I expected, but it's definitely the entertainment I deserved!

[SubCmdr]

The quote" lonely guy sponsor" is only getting nothing in the mind of individuals who are totally into themselves and see the point of the giving of money where they do get a direct tangible benefit. Those individuals are called scrooge or grinch. I like to call them alligator arms. The have a poverty mentality and see scarcity everywhere they look.

What is the mean of the world gift: a thing given willing to someone without payment.

In other words there are individuals who advocate not giving gifts. That is fine if the individual does not want to give gifts. My problem with such individuals is that they advocate that others should not give them either.

Like the guy who does not goto Beach Road, has only done BBFS all over Thailand for the last 14 years and buy 40 LDs it all comes down to a matter of preference. When they start telling others that they should only be doing what they do they have crossed the line. You either believe in personal preferences or you don't. If you believe in personal preferences you state your and you go on about your business. You do not engage in endless back and forth over why you think your choices and preferences are superior to everyone else's.

I know girls that have sponsors and I see what the "lonely guys" get for their sponsorship money. Whereas the guys that are saying all sponsors are losers or simps will take prostitutes out to dinner or on trips. Not just on trips in Thailand but out of the country. If they like it then I love it. But I'm not doing that shit.

If I take a girl out to dinner or on a trip, I will handle the expenses. But I am not paying her to accompany me. IMO, there are to many regular girls who would love to spend time with me like that without requiring payment. They know they have to give something up to get something. Quid pro quo.

Those who are worried about how much money others are spending are individuals who don't have much money to spend themselves. I know this because I've been around truly rich people. They do not prestige signal by writing things like "they have a lot of money laying around" or I have 3 condos and buy 40 drinks. LOL!

I am not going to explain what sponsors get. Because the individual that thinks it is nothing have closed their mind to it and probably do not even know what it means to give a gift. Just one man's opinion. So let's say I give a monthly stipend to a girl that I like. Pay for her hair, nails and give here gifts of clothes, perfume, food ect. Am I a looser? Am I a simp?

My time, my money, my dick, my call

Please note that anyone is free to answer the questions. But know up front that I really don't give a fuck what you think. Most of you who oppose the giving of gifts are a bunch of busted, broke mother fuckers. I don't get along well with people like that.

[Allover]

Well she is one of the few girls I met that was not pressed to meet me for a formal date. I lost touch with her when I was banned from Line.I've not heard of anybody being kicked off Line. I'm guessing the SubCmdr has a good story there.

[Mr Enternational]

I'm curious, how much do you think bar girls makes on average month? What is the range and rough estimate from low to high?If you go past some of them you will see want ads posted with the salaries the places are paying.

[Houston Player]

My time, my money, my dick, my call

Please note that anyone is free to answer the questions. But know up front that I really don't give a fuck what you think. Most of you who oppose the giving of gifts are a bunch of busted, broke mother fuckers. I don't get along well with people like that.LMAO too funny and I pretty much feel the same way about many posts.

[SubCmdr]

No one is telling a certain Member how to spend his money.You should not be trying to tell any member how to spend his money or who he should be fucking.


There are a few of us laughing at What he spends his money on- Big Difference. Hahaha.Who are the few? What exactly are the laughing at?


Imagine buying a Mattel Mickey Mouse watch and trying to convince the world it's a Seiko.I do not see anyone trying to do that. Please point out the post where this is occurring. What I see is the individual members have different preferences. But some members want to talk about the actions of others instead of their preferences. It is a pretty simple difference. Some are posting actual intelligence on having sex with girls in Thailand. Others are talking about what others are doing from afar while pining away for their return. Let's face it, most people posting in Thailand country forum are infrequent visitors. That is ok. But if they don't have something to add why are they posting in the first place? If you are a frequent visitor then why are they not providing actual reports of their activities instead of just commenting on the actions of others.

I've noticed you are have a very low post count Can you tell us how you can really know anything about Thailand or the individuals who post here?

[SubCmdr]

OK, so this is part 2 of the curious types of customers you can meet in Pattaya.Great post brother. I've observed everything you have.


The Old Farang. Mainly the resident ones. Stereotypically cheap charlies, often branded somewhat disparagingly "balloon chasers", because one of their favorite pastimes is said to be looking for bars with balloons. This type of decoration signals a (birthday) party: discounted drinks, and free or very discounted food. As I mentioned before, quite a few of them frequent Stunners (the gogo) and Windmill (old venue, top floor). But the most popular area for them is Soi Pothole (Soi Chaiyapoon), and especially Maggie Mays. One weekday I popped in, it was absolutely packed with white men 60+, obviously living locally, and the atmosphere was great. It was so full, there was only one girl who wasn't drinking with the customers.Pretty much applies to every place in Pattaya other than 808. I've been in plenty of Gentleman's clubs where I was the youngest man in the place (and I am not spring chicken). I want to figure out where my Koreans and Japanese brothers hang out. Because when I see them out and about they are hanging with girls that are so hot that if they raised their skirt/dress, dropped their panties and bent over the table I was at and ordered me to lick their ass I would. In public!

"My neck, my back, lick my pussy and my crack"! LOL!.

[SubCmdr]

LMAO too funny and I pretty much feel the same way about many posts.Damn straight brother. I am here to enjoy my life, have fun and share my adventures with my brothers that share the same interests.

Don't to this, don't do that. These mother fucking "girly men" need to knock a Thai girl up and have a child so the can tell their kid what to do. Who in the fuck do they think they are? We are grown men up in here!

[Mr Enternational]

I am not going to explain what sponsors get. Because the individual that thinks it is nothing have closed their mind to it and probably do not even know what it means to give a gift. Just one man's opinion. So let's say I give a monthly stipend to a girl that I like. Pay for her hair, nails and give here gifts of clothes, perfume, food ect. Am I a looser? Am I a simp?It depends on your expectation and the motivation behind such gifts. Maybe you are doing it on the basis of expecting nothing in return except a thank you. For instance I was in an airport and some of the workers were in line to buy ice cream at DQ. I bought it for them, not knowing their names and never expecting to see them again. I was happy with seeing a smile on their faces.

Most men that are probably giving bar girls or chicks they have fucked gifts or sponsoring them are probably doing it on some type of expectation. Could be the expectation that she is available next time he calls on her, the expectation that she would see him as having a good heart, the expectation that she will not fuck other men, the expectation that she will be taking English classes. Could be any of 1 million things.

But it is like a tree falling in the woods. What he does not know will not hurt him. As long as he thinks or feels his expectation is being fulfilled, whether it is or not, it is all gravy. The simp or loser part only comes in if he finds out he is not getting what he thought his gifts or sponsorship was paying for. It stands to reason though that nobody is sending people remittances with absolutely no expectations. If that was the case they could just throw the money into an envelope and put a random address on it.

I think it is Explorer who is really concerned about guys sponsoring hookers. I think he is doing it under the assumption that these sponsors have the expectation that the chicks will not fuck anyone else or deal with other men, when in fact the chicks will. Maybe that is not their expectation at all. Preaching to someone not to sponsor someone without knowing their motivation behind it is kind of a moot point.

[Mr Enternational]

I'm curious, how much do you think bar girls makes on average month? What is the range and rough estimate from low to high?Having nothing to do after breakfast on this fine Sunday morning. With google translate at the helm, I rode around and took pictures of the help wanted signs at bars and gogos around town. It is on you to interpret the results.

[Mr Enternational]

I'm curious, how much do you think bar girls makes on average month? What is the range and rough estimate from low to high?Part 2. Curious that some of the Soi 6 bars advertised salaries equal to some of the Walking Street agogos.

[EihTooms]

Yes!

This does not mean that you will not have to file the required forms with the Thailand Revenue Agency if you meet the qualifications and become a "Tax Resident" in Thailand as defined by the law in Thailand (previously covered). Even if there is no tax liability in Thailand there still may be a reporting requirement. I have not received any clear guidance on that issue other than just wait and see.A few years back the USA Embassy stopped providing the notarized income verification letter we were required to submit to Thai Immigration in order to extend our Long Stay (Retirement) Visas. And at that time we were told income verification would have to be provided to Immigration directly. Meaning we needed to provide proof of a pension or whatever was the source of the required 65,000 baht minimum monthly income or I think even the 800,000 baht Thai bank deposit along with the other documents required for extending those visas.

So that is what I did. I routinely included a copy of my pension 1099, rental property income and / or Social Security income statements in the packet of documents I handed the Immigration Officer at crunch time. Way overkill really. But it was reported uncertain if, say, rental property income qualified or not, certain sources of pension and so on. So I gave them some of everything that might qualify.

I never was told by an Immigration Officer if or which documentation was the one or ones that qualified as valid sources of income. I asked a couple of times. But in the Bangkok Immigration Office, they are so swamped and apparently are so immunity resistant to any and all questions from the various country visa applicants they just waved off anything that might slow down or sidetrack the paper shuffling and pointing back to the waiting area or another windows.

Well, this time around, when I extended my visa in April, I was actually witness to what the Immigration Officer did when she opened my documents envelope for the first time and encountered those proof of income source documents. She pulled all of them aside with less than a passing glance at any one of them, pushed them across the desk at me saying, "no need" and redirected her attention to only the most basic documents of interest to her; the visa application, bank statements showing the required minimum monthly Foreign Transfers, photo copy of my bank passbook, passport photo page, etc.

She could not have cared less what the source of those monthly ForeignTransfers were as long as they hit the 65,000 baht minimum amount for each and every one of the previous 12 months as shown in my Thai bank statements. Which runs contrary to the way it was reported regarding Immigration taking over the income verification duties of the USA and other Embassies a few years back. Not that the Embassies gave a shit about the source or even truthfulness of the claimed income either.

Anyway, I guess I am wondering who and at what point in my daily life or, most importantly, at crunch time when I am extending my visa next April, will somebody ask me for proof of my USA tax liability. The Immigration Officer? Really?

Are those swamped Immigration Officers being greeted by thousands of visa applicants and extenders from all around the world every working day of the week really expected to do what they have been doing plus add a review of tax forms and documents from 100 different countries, compare them to claimed income levels, chart how much each applicant comes up short on owed taxes for their home country vs Thailand, etc? And then what? Calculate and require them to pay the missing taxes before your visa expires in 3 days? As verified and notarized by an on-site licensed Tax Preparer?

I don't even get my USA taxes prepared and / or paid for a given tax year until almost October of the following year, with automatic extensions allowed to me as an expat living outside of the USA. So what is Thai Immigration going to know or ask of me about my 2024 tax year liability in April 2025 when I go there to extend my visa, which is the only part of this I care about.

Seems like it would probably be passed off to another agency to which our tax situation must be reported and not Immigration. If at all.

Hell, I remember when that dreaded TM30 form, the "Notification from House-Master, Owner or the Possessor of the Residence where Alien has Stayed" form, was suddenly and momentarily resurrected from its coma and required at the point of extending our visas. That lasted just one or two cycle years as I recall. Then it was put back to sleep and forgotten. The Immigration Officers in Bangkok were so frazzled by having to deal with that form, turning visa extension applicants away or fining them because their landlords hadn't submitted one properly for the year. No way are they going to stand for now being tax accountants for the crowds showing up every day.

[SubCmdr]

I think it is Explorer who is really concerned about guys sponsoring hookers. I think he is doing it under the assumption that these sponsors have the expectation that the chicks will not fuck anyone else or deal with other men, when in fact the chicks will. Maybe that is not their expectation at all. Preaching to someone not to sponsor someone without knowing their motivation behind it is kind of a moot point.You make my point!

But what you left out is that it could be a mutually beneficial relationship. I get to pull that hair that was done, see those nails wrapped around my dick when she is sucking it and sucking on her toes when she has her legs on my shoulders. That makes it mutually beneficial. Especially when she shows gives you three choices and lets you pick the design. Priceless!

If someone is not a positive force in your life why do you help them? Explorer is making an assumption that the sponsor gets nothing. That how he sees it from his point of view. But is it a reality. A friend just said he was going to buy some land and start a farm. I know a little about that so I told him I'm here for advice and will hop on a plane when it is time to break ground if he wants my help. Never mind that he will not do the same thing for me. I have a long history with this friend and he is one of the only people I know that understands what it like to live overseas. We also had similar professional careers.

My point is, we do not know the benefits of the sponsors are receiving. Because we are not in their minds. I have watched girls handle their sponsors before. I see what they are giving to them. It is a mental health service. You can't just call your therapist up at all time of the day and night just to say Hello,. My problem with Explorer is that he is not concerned with the sponsor. He is concerned only with how the sponsor interrupts his dick desires. He is consistent about letting know this is only concern. That is why I cannot take his advice seriously. He only has his own interests at heart.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

Even though this was to take effect today people are landing in Thailand only to get 30 day stamps.Arrived BKK today. US passport. Only got 30 days. Apparently they haven't gotten news it's supposed to be 60 days.

[Paolo99]

Arrived BKK today. US passport. Only got 30 days. Apparently they haven't gotten news it's supposed to be 60 days.I've read somewhere it's probably going to get applied at the end of the month.

[Explorer8939]

You make my point!

But what you left out is that it could be a mutually beneficial relationship. I get to pull that hair that was done, see those nails wrapped around my dick when she is sucking it and sucking on her toes when she has her legs on my shoulders. That makes it mutually beneficial. Especially when she shows gives you three choices and lets you pick the design. Priceless!

If someone is not a positive force in your life why do you help them? Explorer is making an assumption that the sponsor gets nothing. That how he sees it from his point of view. But is it a reality. A friend just said he was going to buy some land and start a farm. I know a little about that so I told him I'm here for advice and will hop on a plane when it is time to break ground if he wants my help. Never mind that he will not do the same thing for me. I have a long history with this friend and he is one of the only people I know that understands what it like to live overseas. We also had similar professional careers..Why do lonely guys send money to bargirls?

Because they think "their bargirl is different" and "she really loves me".

So, what they get from their sponsorship is the illusion of having a girlfriend. For the bargirl getting messages all day, all night from a smitten customer is a pain the ass, but if the money is worth it, okay.

The problem comes for me when a lady is giving me a BJ and her phone rings with a call from a Pathetic sponsor.

[MassageLover81]

Having nothing to do after breakfast on this fine Sunday morning. With google translate at the helm, I rode around and took pictures of the help wanted signs at bars and gogos around town. It is on you to interpret the results.Wow so if you can pay $400-$500 a month, you can be a sponsor?!

[SubCmdr]

My problem with Explorer is that he is not concerned with the sponsor. He is concerned only with how the sponsor interrupts his dick desires. He is consistent about letting know this is only concern. That is why I cannot take his advice seriously. He only has his own interests at heart.


Why do lonely guys send money to bargirls? Because they think "their bargirl is different" and "she really loves me". So, what they get from their sponsorship is the illusion of having a girlfriend. For the bargirl getting messages all day, all night from a smitten customer is a pain the ass, but if the money is worth it, okay.

The problem comes for me when a lady is giving me a BJ and her phone rings with a call from a Pathetic sponsor.Right on cue you made my point that we have been going back and forth on since I first read your comments about sponsors. You do not give a fuck about the sponsors you only care about how it affects your dick!

In my opinion, it is only problem because you are self centered. You a paying by the moment and the sponsor is paying by the month. You actually would prefer for these girls to lose their sponsor because you are a selfish (profanity deleted). That is cold blooded. I've been around girls who have lost their sponsor. It a big deal. I told my ATF that she should do what she needs do to keep her sponsor (s). In my opinion to do otherwise is serious fuckhead behavior.

But we are making progress. In this post you did not tell grown men what they should be doing with their money.

[SubCmdr]

I am a sponsor. I pay 1000 THB a hours for them to satisfy my dick. I sponsor a lot of girls. Some from Beach Road even.


Wow so if you can pay $400-$500 a month, you can be a sponsor?!

[Banana Boi]

Wow so if you can pay $400-$500 a month, you can be a sponsor?!I'm a proud Sponsor at 500 baht per year to buy Hamster Coffins for one of my girls.

I'm ok with her continuing to work in gogo bars and I know she spends that money making a 711 run to feed her Thai boyfriend.

[Explorer8939]

I'm a proud Sponsor at 500 baht per year to buy Hamster Coffins for one of my girls.

I'm ok with her continuing to work in gogo bars and I know she spends that money making a 711 run to feed her Thai boyfriend.It's not uncommon for a bar girl to hit up a customer for 500 baht one time online, and then try to parlay that into sponsorship.

I once had a bar girl hit me up for 100 baht online.

[Mr Enternational]

Why do lonely guys send money to bargirls?

Because they think "their bargirl is different" and "she really loves me".

So, what they get from their sponsorship is the illusion of having a girlfriend. For the bargirl getting messages all day, all night from a smitten customer is a pain the ass, but if the money is worth it, okay.

The problem comes for me when a lady is giving me a BJ and her phone rings with a call from a Pathetic sponsor.Both things can be true. She can still love him and be a bar girl. She can still be his girlfriend and be a bargirl. You have talked about all the Thai men who are the husbands and boyfriends of bargirls, so surely a foreigner can hold the position as well. Is it a pain in the ass for the parents to message all day begging for money? Is it also a problem when you are getting a BJ and the phone rings with a call from her parents or friends? Is it the ringing phone that is the problem or the person that is calling that is the problem? Seems either way it is her fault when she can just switch it off. So why not take it up with her?

[AggieDad1]

Wow so if you can pay $400-$500 a month, you can be a sponsor?!That is just the starting price. Once you start then it becomes like owning a boat or a BMW. The routine upkeep gets expensive. But with a car or a boat you get some money back when you sell it. The resale value of a used bar girl is 0.

[Banana Boi]

It's not uncommon for a bar girl to hit up a customer for 500 baht one time online, and then try to parlay that into sponsorship.

I once had a bar girl hit me up for 100 baht online.Either this CIVVY girl is playing the super LONG GAME with me or has no clue on how to play guys for Hamster Coffins. Nearly 10 months later and never a penny asked again, not even after meeting up with her several times for FREE when I'm in town. Overall I think my "SPONSOR" money was well worth it.

My Hamster Coffin SPONSOR post in August, 2023

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2843651&viewfull=1#post2843651

[SubCmdr]

It's not uncommon for a bar girl to hit up a customer for 500 baht one time online, and then try to parlay that into sponsorship.

I once had a bar girl hit me up for 100 baht online.The only girls that have it me up on line and asked me for money have been girls from Bangkok I have met off of Thai Friendly (but have not met in person) asking me for money because although they have jobs and are working hard the are "short" money for the month. Those requests always get a no. Girls that have fucked me for money NEVER ask me for money. They ask to see me in order to earn more.

I must live in a different Thailand than everyone else. Because my life here is dramatically different than what I read about in these forums..

[Explorer8939]

Either this CIVVY girl is playing the super LONG GAME with me or has no clue on how to play guys for Hamster Coffins. Nearly 10 months later and never a penny asked again, not even after meeting up with her several times for FREE when I'm in town. Overall I think my "SPONSOR" money was well worth it.

My Hamster Coffin SPONSOR post in August, 2023

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2843651&viewfull=1#post2843651I love posts here about guys going with hookers for free. They are so useful.

[Explorer8939]

I announced my return date to Pattaya on Facebook, and now the ladies are besieging me for work at my condo. I managed to keep the first 3 days back clear (because I need time to recover from the very long flight), but the next week is all booked up.

It's not uncommon for a bargirl to finish her 10 day contract, and then stay in my condo for two or three days, mostly to get some rest.

[SubCmdr]

In my opinion, sponsorship is an outgrowth of how feminism has fucked up the West. If a man has the ability to make enough money to travel to Thailand, then leave Thailand and still send money to a girl he cannot see on a regular basis then that man could take that money and spend it on girls in his home country. But he chooses not to. Why is that?

I disagree that a sponsor gets nothing. In todays technological age, you can be half way around the world and get the access and emotional connection that he cannot get in his home country. That is priceless. It is a sad testimony on the girls are that in his country. Along with the philosophy that caused that type of culture to grow and thrive.

I do not pay much attention to events, political or social in my county of origin. I only pay attention to physical policy on a macro level as it affects the currency the majority of my assets are denominated in. But I am told that things are very different there than when I was a young man. But it is not in my county. I have spoken to many social refugees here in Pattaya and we discuss the decline of their countries also. The common thread, they are all in the west. We commiserate and understand the plight of young men of today.

So, those who have the advantages of being able to be mobile, live work and thrive in the places where they treat you best, why do you look down on the others that are just trying to survive the particular matrix they happen to be in.


Both things can be true. She can still love him and be a bar girl. She can still be his girlfriend and be a bargirl. You have talked about all the Thai men who are the husbands and boyfriends of bargirls, so surely a foreigner can hold the position as well. He makes some good points. These are my thoughts exactly. Although there are plenty of regular girls with jobs that will love you long time also. But I have noticed something. Girls with regular jobs are not trying to jump you in order get into your pockets. To me it points out that certain girls just have ho tendencies.


Either this CIVVY girl is playing the super LONG GAME with me or has no clue on how to play guys for Hamster Coffins. Nearly 10 months later and never a penny asked again, not even after meeting up with her several times for FREE when I'm in town. Overall I think my "SPONSOR" money was well worth it.

My Hamster Coffin SPONSOR post in August, 2023

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2843651&viewfull=1#post2843651


Is it a pain in the ass for the parents to message all day begging for money? Is it also a problem when you are getting a BJ and the phone rings with a call from her parents or friends? Is it the ringing phone that is the problem or the person that is calling that is the problem? Seems either way it is her fault when she can just switch it off. So why not take it up with her?These are some good questions. I look forward to reading the answers.

[TooDirty]

Either this CIVVY girl is playing the super LONG GAME with me or has no clue on how to play guys for Hamster Coffins. Nearly 10 months later and never a penny asked again, not even after meeting up with her several times for FREE when I'm in town. Overall I think my "SPONSOR" money was well worth it.

My Hamster Coffin SPONSOR post in August, 2023

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2843651&viewfull=1#post2843651The hamster coffin bit always makes me chuckle. .

[SubCmdr]

A few years back the USA Embassy stopped providing the notarized income verification letter we were required to submit to Thai Immigration in order to extend our Long Stay (Retirement) Visas. And at that time we were told income verification would have to be provided to Immigration directly. Meaning we needed to provide proof of a pension or whatever was the source of the required 65,000 baht minimum monthly income or I think even the 800,000 baht Thai bank deposit along with the other documents required for extending those visas.

So that is what I did. I routinely included a copy of my pension 1099, rental property income and / or Social Security income statements in the packet of documents I handed the Immigration Officer at crunch time. Way overkill really. But it was reported uncertain if, say, rental property income qualified or not, certain sources of pension and so on. So I gave them some of everything that might qualify.

I never was told by an Immigration Officer if or which documentation was the one or ones that qualified as valid sources of income. I asked a couple of times. But in the Bangkok Immigration Office, they are so swamped and apparently are so immunity resistant to any and all questions from the various country visa applicants they just waved off anything that might slow down or sidetrack the paper shuffling and pointing back to the waiting area or another windows.

Well, this time around, when I extended my visa in April, I was actually witness to what the Immigration Officer did when she opened my documents envelope for the first time and encountered those proof of income source documents. She pulled all of them aside with less than a passing glance at any one of them, pushed them across the desk at me saying, "no need" and redirected her attention to only the most basic documents of interest to her; the visa application, bank statements showing the required minimum monthly Foreign Transfers, photo copy of my bank passbook, passport photo page, etc.

She could not have cared less what the source of those monthly ForeignTransfers were as long as they hit the 65,000 baht minimum amount for each and every one of the previous 12 months as shown in my Thai bank statements. Which runs contrary to the way it was reported regarding Immigration taking over the income verification duties of the USA and other Embassies a few years back. Not that the Embassies gave a shit about the source or even truthfulness of the claimed income either.

Anyway, I guess I am wondering who and at what point in my daily life or, most importantly, at crunch time when I am extending my visa next April, will somebody ask me for proof of my USA tax liability. The Immigration Officer? Really?

Are those swamped Immigration Officers being greeted by thousands of visa applicants and extenders from all around the world every working day of the week really expected to do what they have been doing plus add a review of tax forms and documents from 100 different countries, compare them to claimed income levels, chart how much each applicant comes up short on owed taxes for their home country vs Thailand, etc? And then what? Calculate and require them to pay the missing taxes before your visa expires in 3 days? As verified and notarized by an on-site licensed Tax Preparer?

I don't even get my USA taxes prepared and / or paid for a given tax year until almost October of the following year, with automatic extensions allowed to me as an expat living outside of the USA. So what is Thai Immigration going to know or ask of me about my 2024 tax year liability in April 2025 when I go there to extend my visa, which is the only part of this I care about.

Seems like it would probably be passed off to another agency to which our tax situation must be reported and not Immigration. If at all.

Hell, I remember when that dreaded TM30 form, the "Notification from House-Master, Owner or the Possessor of the Residence where Alien has Stayed" form, was suddenly and momentarily resurrected from its coma and required at the point of extending our visas. That lasted just one or two cycle years as I recall. Then it was put back to sleep and forgotten. The Immigration Officers in Bangkok were so frazzled by having to deal with that form, turning visa extension applicants away or fining them because their landlords hadn't submitted one properly for the year. No way are they going to stand for now being tax accountants for the crowds showing up every day.Solid information my brother. Thank you! Next year I have to renew my visa before even the first tax deadline in my country of origin comes due. It will no doubt be an interesting situation.

[Nyezhov]

It's not uncommon for a bar girl to hit up a customer for 500 baht one time online, and then try to parlay that into sponsorship.

I once had a bar girl hit me up for 100 baht online.LOL my regular Lines me once in a while and whines she needs 100 baht. OK, can I fuck your ass next time? Yes.

Got one coming up LOL.

[LittleBigMan]

I remember those good old days in Bangkok going to the US Embassy to get the letter of income verification although I could have used the money in my bank account it was an excuse to do a day or overnight trip and get my grove on.

As we know each Immigration office applies the rules differently although the rules are written very clearly. There are reasons whatever chief is in charge allows this to happen. How hard is it really to do a conference all and say when and why one has to do a TM30! It is about control and corruption in my opinion.

For Jomtien it was never their intention to do any income verification except proof that you have 800,000 in bank yearly or monthly income.

This tax that is being spoken was intended to apply to catch their own Thais who were earning income from abroad and not pay taxes on it. The rule being applied wrong is sweeping expats into the net due to so many unable to understand the ruling.

Worry and not worry, I've been hearing for close to a year now yet it has been reported the revenue department doesn't have a clue nor is there a prep work being done like having forms in English filing of Taxes are still all in Thai and know what in Pattaya, go to the revenue dept and try to find someone who can actually speak any English. You might find a person little bit start talking as if talking to another farang look at their face and body language they are lost right after the first Krup.

Now try looking for a Thai person accounting so call expert, like Lawyers in Pattaya I've yet to find one who I can actually sit down and shoot the bull with. This lead me to Immigration in Pattaya which I know very well. Without going into detail the manner in which how Pattaya is funded there is around a dozen IQ usually the ones with uniforms today they are usually in the back what majority of those who do all the work are contracted out they are younger speak more English that the swamp leaders who make all the decision. Everyone working in that building is related in one way or another this is what is call Nepotism which is common and practice everywhere in government.

Each year I go to do my renew each year I take mental notes as to what is needed as soon as I'm done I go home and prepare next year noting what I need for the following. On my day I'm usually the 1st one within 10 minutes out the door this year the guy started to xerox my entire passport, then ask me to sign the pages I ask him is this new that requires due copies of everything now. He just stays silent and flip through all the pages using his highlighter to mark off items that is required. Put on thinking cap you realized he doesn't have to understand or read Englsih he is trained to look for specific items example my bank letter statement and book pages. He looks and highlight the date no more than 24 hours, pages didn't take out the money 2-3 months other than that he can't hold a English conversation nor can read even a sentence. You can whack off on them dissatisfied they will look you smile and continue to tell " you need this ".

So to the taxes, is it really going to happen or not they can't even find a way for airlines to collect 300 baht for the tourist medical and how to distribute the funds the idea to get your stamp you need to pay your taxes I just don't see it personally. Then you got country like you. S. Thai that has treaty that can't tax double especially pensions. Regardless of how much time I spend here money that I wired into Thailand into my Thai account using Wise is pension money SS or IRA, which I pay taxes and do my tax return yearly in US. Even in worse case if I had too with the vast deduction even in Thailand I most likely won't need to in fact I should get a refund. The are already taking taxes out from my Thai saving account once I get the interest a tax is taken out which doesn't happen for Thais especially the poor. The Thai circle, poor, bargirls never heard anyone I know paying any taxes, my wife restaurant, I guess 300,000 baht a month now gross, tax I don't even know if she knows the word LOL.

Our house our apartments I know there is a tax but as far as I know never have seen a bill. There was a time we paid taxes on the apartment building income to the muni, after one or two times I ask her whatever about the taxes she tells me " up to me " Based on how Cites are funded Thai government makes a lot of noise get you thinking this must be a big department you go there one person office is like 10 x10! It is going to be very interesting if it happens if it does I might look into an visa agent who I pay a bit more to buy pass the system of taxes.

[Mr Enternational]

In my opinion, sponsorship is an outgrowth of how feminism has fucked up the West. If a man has the ability to make enough money to travel to Thailand, then leave Thailand and still send money to a girl he cannot see on a regular basis then that man could take that money and spend it on girls in his home country. But he chooses not to. Why is that?

I disagree that a sponsor gets nothing. In todays technological age, you can be half way around the world and get the access and emotional connection that he cannot get in his home country. That is priceless. It is a sad testimony on the girls are that in his country. Along with the philosophy that caused that type of culture to grow and thrive.
It is important to note that in other circles men sponsor men and women also sponsor men. From being in the DR you know about those sanky pankies. The same exist in other countries. Those people could as well spend it on the same or opposite sex in their home countries, but they don't. It has nothing to do with feminism and more to do with I have more than you so here is some of mine.

[SubCmdr]

Opinion: a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge..

It is important to note that I provide my opinions and others have theirs. Opinions are not facts nor can they proven or disproven. They can only be disagreed with. Like one of the body parts I like to fuck on a girl, everyone has one.


In my opinion, sponsorship is an outgrowth of how feminism has fucked up the West. If a man has the ability to make enough money to travel to Thailand, then leave Thailand and still send money to a girl he cannot see on a regular basis then that man could take that money and spend it on girls in his home country. But he chooses not to. Why is that?

I disagree that a sponsor gets nothing. In todays technological age, you can be half way around the world and get the access and emotional connection that he cannot get in his home country. That is priceless. It is a sad testimony on the girls are that in his country. Along with the philosophy that caused that type of culture to grow and thrive.
It is important to note that in other circles men sponsor men and women also sponsor men. From being in the DR you know about those sanky pankies. The same exist in other countries. Those people could as well spend it on the same or opposite sex in their home countries, but they dont.In my opinion, they don't because they get more out of the money spent on the opposite sex in the countries where they spend the money. Your example of "sanky pankies" in the Dominican Republic is dead wrong. That is paid sex. Older girls of means paying younger men for social / sexual attention. I do not know of a single man getting sponsorship of the same type that is spoken of often in the Thailand country thread in the Dominican Republic. My mind is open if you would like to present to examples anecdotal or otherwise of girls of means sponsoring men in the Dominican Republic.

I spent extensive time in the Dominican Republic (actually living there) and in the beginning I would wire money to myself. If I did that at the beginning of the month there would be a line to pick up remittances. You could see the girls who were obviously getting sponsored. Now, I don't know if you ever stood in those lines during your brief visits. But while I was living there I never saw or met a man who was sponsored in the same sense that individuals speak about sponsorship here in the Thailand country forum. I have no numbers to back this up but I would say 90% of all sponsorship is a man sending money to a girl, not the other way around. As you often do your subtle example is designed to imply that it an equal and balanced activity. But I am open to the idea if you can present some evidence to the contrary.


It has nothing to do with feminism and more to do with I have more than you so here is some of mine.This is stated as a fact. When it is really just your opinion. You disagree with me. I have no problem with that. But what you don't have (and neither do I) is anything to back up you statement. So, you really don't know that it has nothing to do with feminism. I will stipulate that you have the right to your own opinions. But not your own facts.

One thing I remember from the Dominican Republic ISG forums is that over the years you and I have rarely agreed on anything. Appears that it is going to be no different now that I have experience in Thailand also. But just like in the Dominican Republic you cannot point to a single time that I didn't have my facts straight.

Your serve!

[Explorer8939]

I do go with some women over 40. They are generally in good shape, and are very good at securing customer boyfriends, which means they work for a couple of months, hook a guy who gives them money to go home, he ultimately wises up and stops sending money, and they come back to Pattaya to find a new victim / customer.

The problem is that they tend to get sick with nasty diseases, sometimes fatal. Very high mortality rate because they don't take care of themselves when they are in Pattaya.

[SubCmdr]

Shout out to the 40+ girls of Pattaya

The ones I find attractive keep themselves in shape. They have pleasant personalities. They are very good at pleasing me. They often will either take very low amounts (<1000 THB) or if they want that or more they do EVERYTHING I like. Why? They need a marketing edge over the young girls.

I love it when young guys (<45 to me) brag about getting with 18 - 20 year olds. Makes me laugh. I can grab a 30 - 40 year old with the same age difference. Yes, there is nothing like young pussy. I have reached a point in life where I enjoy some companionship. Easier for me to get from the older girls of Pattaya. Better yet, they are looking for it too. Even if they are paying their way through life by taking dick.

Just this morning I had a conversation with a lovely 44 year old. She ended the conversation by saying she needed to look for more customers because she need to buy something for her daughter. She let me know she was available how I wanted her when I needed her and just just reach out. Got to love the honesty. Contrast that with the sexy 20 year old last night. Tight body. Suck good. Tight pussy. Straight fucking no kissing.

[LittleBigMan]

Just stirring the pot! Not taking anyone side just curious. I look up the word fact and read the quoted on opinion. Fact is state as " experience " so would what a person experience once or a number of times be a fact at least to him. It would be improper to call what a person actually experience to be a liar, or as some like to note from certain country " Rubbish ".

It isn't so easy not to use the word, it is short " FACT " vs " Experience " easier to use fact since it is shorter LOL would one concur if it happens often from our experience we can then " Generalize " it is true most of the time would that be a " Factual Experience ".

I wonder " if one has they give " or something close to that these this situation or person count. I know people who have lots millions they are generous then there are others who are tight. I know a guy first hand seen him first hand over and over again. I have a number of chapters in my imaginary bio that I'm writing from my experience living here. He gets a decent pension nearly 10,000 USD a month, owns his own house value at a million has no outstanding debt can upgrade his house 2 bedrooms, one bath, but everything is outdated but choose to rent rooms to strangers.

The guy has a huge heart but he can't hold a candle to Forest Gump, girl he married back home left after a month, aside from weddings and funerals he has never step into a church to pray or donated to any church or charity that I know.

He has been coming to Thailand for over 20 years, the story I have logged on the guy when I tell them it is " Fact " they look at me like I'm the biggest BS MF in the world. Under the word " Sponsor " should be his name! I once sat with other friends and listen to him talk " he said the Thais are poor " reason he does what he does but never saw him help anyone back home. I sat there thinking you want to help people go to Father Rays, or stand on Sukhumvit and Klang overpass toss money to the road if you really want to help.

This guy I guess have dole out close to 20 million baht. He has read many of the Thailand book what not to do criticize others how stupid they are yet he has done so much far worse. I know if there is one there must be others. He once on a popular Soi, from a street vendor ordered two LODIES from a muslim lady he was leaving the next morning so he handed her 3000 baht.

Does this guy fall under " he has it so he gives it " LOL.

[LittleBigMan]

I do go with some women over 40. They are generally in good shape, and are very good at securing customer boyfriends, which means they work for a couple of months, hook a guy who gives them money to go home, he ultimately wises up and stops sending money, and they come back to Pattaya to find a new victim / customer.

The problem is that they tend to get sick with nasty diseases, sometimes fatal. Very high mortality rate because they don't take care of themselves when they are in Pattaya.It is true they don't take care of themselves a number of reason like most thing very little Hygiene is cover in schools. Then there is no preventive care available for them government hospital are packed you wait hours to be seen then hours to get your medication. Unless you are falling down there are very few test given they don't have time or the money that is my experience in Pattaya.

Correct, the older ones usually but I know a number younger twenties that have medical problems you look at a Thai diet sugar and more sugar then the alcohol and spicy food since a early age many have gas reflex, liver and kidney problem from high blood sugar reason I never demand a girl drink a particular drink those that know me usually ask for a coke even then that is bad. Majority don't get checked until it is too late. Many die not ever knowing what they had.

Then as for STD, HIV, it is like a curse taboo Thais will outcast you even family reason many keep it a secret not even get treated cause they don't want to be seen in the government hospital particularly units. It isn't just Pattaya.

[Explorer8939]

"She's my sister".

You hear that a lot. 99% chance she's *not* the sister. It usually means "friend", or just a bar girl she met recently. In rare chances, it means "cousin", although a real cousin is called "grandchild".

A "cousin" might just be another bar girl from the same village.

[LittleBigMan]

Yep, In all my years I've never met girl that actually had a real sister working also. Usually as noted friend, roommate, mostly from the same village. Cousins, blood related also, " Look Pi Look Long ".

Village rumors many who are tempted to leave their village and head into the big cities like Bangkok, Pattaya hoping it happens while they earn money legal or not. Are there good Thai men, a Hi-So Thai Lawyer told me you be lucky to find 5% good Thai man they are all the same in different degree.

Thai culture, whether in the business or not if one is better off aren't going to lower themselves and pick outside of their economic standing sure does it happen yes are there " Pretty women " stories I'm sure there are but very low in my opinion. Not a fact, but I've spoken to a number of BG's especially in the business it isn't going to happen why waste your time dreaming. Reason when there are Thais in GoGo, and they are even before Covid, waste their time thinking it is going to happen plus many of the younger one's just want it for free.

As for P4 P, the girls old or young attract certain elements of Thai men, the one's with a bit of established money are already legally married but that won't stop another Thai from trying if they think it is worth it this is part of their culture if they are out there must be a reason at the same time the women don't realize if he doing it now he is going to do it again with you.

Many of the harden ones know even how to extract money out of Thai men who start to rise economically making a bit more money. They go to these local Thai drinking places nothing fancy but out our nowhere where you can eat and drink usually bottle service and have the waitress sit, drink, even BF, they act and throw their money like the rich, start to show off buy the girls things give them money, all of a sudden they go into debt over their head never had such a beautiful pussy pay them attention.

I know this one showgirl from a GoGo, this guy who seems rich bottle service, made her his gik, put her up in a Condo, help her open up this business being her friend I was happy for her one day I look up and spotted here topless dancing again. At the same time I was sad but happy after a few drinks she ask me to BF and cry on my shoulder how can I refuse. LOL.

In conversation, she opened up said the guy got her pregnant a week later she came home the dud was gone long gone, left her with a bunch of debt and a kid. Down the road in conversation with one of her friends she mentioned that I once said the guy didn't have any money ask how did I know? I said the " Shoes " I once noticed his shoes outside! We all had a good laugh!

The culture of men here particular in Bangkok and Pattaya, really isn't like the rest of Thailand. The women especially the older ones want a younger one like what we want a trophy. Majority are freeloaders as I call them traitor trash at best who just want a ATM, sounds familiar, so once they know they have an older women with money many get swept off their feet with the sweet talk, Women who are weak who are with farangs say they hate Thai men but once they are set want to be with their own kind with no real education their excuse I always hear " he doesn't understand me ".

[SubCmdr]

Fact: something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists, or about which there is information.

that which actually exists or is the case; reality or truth; something known to exist or to have happened; a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true

In relation to assertions being made regarding feminism it would require that the OP know the truth through actual experience or observation. In this particular case he either does not actually know or he failed to share his experiences or observations of what he is claiming to be true.

That would be a stretch to say that the world over people sponsor others simply because they have more and chose to give it to those who have less. What observations has he made to assert that this is true? Can somebody please call 911? I have fallen out of my chair because I was laughing my ass off at the thought of the previous sentence and now I cannot get up.

If all it takes is mere experience to establish that something is a fact, I laid out mine regarding sponsorship in the Dominican Republic. But even in the most grandiose of mindset would I claim that my observations are applicable to every situation in which sponsorship is occurring in the Dominican Republic.


Just stirring the pot! Not taking anyone side just curious. I look up the word fact and read the quoted on opinion. Fact is state as " experience " so would what a person experience once or a number of times be a fact at least to him. Absolutely! I agree with you completely.


It would be improper to call what a person actually experience to be a liar, or as some like to note from certain country " Rubbish .But that is exactly what the OP did. He said, I was wrong. Even if he presented evidence that he had experience to counter what I had said (and he did not) since I did not experience what he did it means that is not a fact to me. In fact (use of the word for emphasis) my experience has shown me that the ideas he proffers or completely wrong. Instead of saying that directly, I chose to speak diplomatically and point out the things that I actually observed while living there that a short time visitor may not have had the time to see or may have overlooked.


It isn't so easy not to use the word, it is short " FACT " vs " Experience " easier to use fact since it is shorter LOL would one concur if it happens often from our experience we can then " Generalize " it is true most of the time would that be a " Factual Experience .I think it very easy to use the word fact. I think it has a universal meaning or understand throughout the world no matter what language you are using. Here are a few facts:

1. Gravity exists 2. Getting hit with 00 buck from a shotgun is bad for your health 3. You are going to die Now I have not experienced #2 or #3 personally. But I have observed both #2 and #3 occurring and will not argue with anyone who takes issue with me over these facts that I know. I simply allow them to experience them and then they can tell me how it worked out for them.

Here is the main point about sponsorship that I made: In my opinion, sponsorship is an outgrowth of how feminism has fucked up the West. If a man has the ability to make enough money to travel to Thailand, then leave Thailand and still send money to a girl he cannot see on a regular basis then that man could take that money and spend it on girls in his home country. But he chooses not to.

The OP wrote this:


It is important to note that in other circles men sponsor men and women also sponsor men. From being in the DR you know about those sanky pankies. The same exist in other countries. Those people could as well spend it on the same or opposite sex in their home countries, but they don't. It has nothing to do with feminism and more to do with I have more than you so here is some of mine.He is telling me that my opinion is wrong. Not sure how he justifies that in his own mind other than an attitude that everything he thinks says, and does is right.

I disagree that a sponsor gets nothing But I cannot say that those who think that are wrong. Because I am not in the mind of those who disagree with me nor am I in the mind of the sponsors. In today's technological age, you can be half way around the world and get the access and emotional connection that he cannot get in his home country. That is priceless. It is a sad testimony on the girls are that in his country. Along with the philosophy that caused that type of culture to grow and thrive.

A sponsor get greater value from the money he spends on someone in another country than he could get spending it in his own country. If that is not true, with the exception of taxes can you give me one example where you spend money even though it does not give you value?

Lastly, I will add that I take satisfaction in helping people. With my knowledge, experience, physical skills or money. I get a great deal of benefit from helping people. Even when they are not appreciative. A unappreciative person simply does not get my help anymore. It does not change the experience for me.

[SubCmdr]

LittleBigMan

Your post below is just as valuable as gold is here in Thailand. Should be required reading for anyone who thinks he has found a girlfriend / possible wife. Just take a hard look a girls background. I am not talking bad or being critical. I am just saying be realistic.

The principles that you give align with my experiences. So according to your definition that would make them facts. My experiences have show that it hard to overcome culture. I have friends in Colombia and one that married a Japanese girl and that is universal complaint about the difficulties of trying to bridge culture. Has also been my experience. In the Dominican Republic and in Thailand. If you add in a age difference and then it gets even more difficult.

The only friends that I have that have had successful relationships with friends from girl from other their their country of origin have been with girls who have as we refer to it "been through the struggle". In other words, they have given up on the dream fed to us though our various societies and accepted the reality of the day to day situation they find themselves in. They keep it real!

These are the girls that will appreciate a provider. Appreciate some stability and even then they may not trust it. They are going to want to maintain their independence. They are going to want to maintain connection to their culture. They may want to go out and party with their friends. If they come from the world of prostitution they are going to want to keep picking up money on the side for fun and excitement. That is the part that many men simply will not accept about.

Why does a 20 year old put my dick down her throat and then lets me blow sponge in her pussy. Because she needs the money I promised her afterwards. At my age I find that the younger girls are happy to service me. But they are trying to get the fuck up out here after they are done. Older girls be trying to hang out and I have to find a reason to get them to go.

So a 40 year old on Thai Friendly says in her profile she is lookin for the love of her life. I send her a message and offer 800 THB to fuck her pussy. Her response: When?


Yep, In all my years I've never met girl that actually had a real sister working also. Usually as noted friend, roommate, mostly from the same village. Cousins, blood related also, " Look Pi Look Long ".

Village rumors many who are tempted to leave their village and head into the big cities like Bangkok, Pattaya hoping it happens while they earn money legal or not. Are there good Thai men, a Hi-So Thai Lawyer told me you be lucky to find 5% good Thai man they are all the same in different degree.

Thai culture, whether in the business or not if one is better off aren't going to lower themselves and pick outside of their economic standing sure does it happen yes are there " Pretty women " stories I'm sure there are but very low in my opinion. Not a fact, but I've spoken to a number of BG's especially in the business it isn't going to happen why waste your time dreaming. Reason when there are Thais in GoGo, and they are even before Covid, waste their time thinking it is going to happen plus many of the younger one's just want it for free.

As for P4 P, the girls old or young attract certain elements of Thai men, the one's with a bit of established money are already legally married but that won't stop another Thai from trying if they think it is worth it this is part of their culture if they are out there must be a reason at the same time the women don't realize if he doing it now he is going to do it again with you.

Many of the harden ones know even how to extract money out of Thai men who start to rise economically making a bit more money. They go to these local Thai drinking places nothing fancy but out our nowhere where you can eat and drink usually bottle service and have the waitress sit, drink, even BF, they act and throw their money like the rich, start to show off buy the girls things give them money, all of a sudden they go into debt over their head never had such a beautiful pussy pay them attention.

I know this one showgirl from a GoGo, this guy who seems rich bottle service, made her his gik, put her up in a Condo, help her open up this business being her friend I was happy for her one day I look up and spotted here topless dancing again. At the same time I was sad but happy after a few drinks she ask me to BF and cry on my shoulder how can I refuse. LOL.

In conversation, she opened up said the guy got her pregnant a week later she came home the dud was gone long gone, left her with a bunch of debt and a kid. Down the road in conversation with one of her friends she mentioned that I once said the guy didn't have any money ask how did I know? I said the " Shoes " I once noticed his shoes outside! We all had a good laugh!

The culture of men here particular in Bangkok and Pattaya, really isn't like the rest of Thailand. The women especially the older ones want a younger one like what we want a trophy. Majority are freeloaders as I call them traitor trash at best who just want a ATM, sounds familiar, so once they know they have an older women with money many get swept off their feet with the sweet talk, Women who are weak who are with farangs say they hate Thai men but once they are set want to be with their own kind with no real education their excuse I always hear " he doesn't understand me ".

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LittleBigMan

Your post below is just as valuable as gold is here in Thailand. Should be required reading for anyone who thinks he has found a girlfriend / possible wife. Just take a hard look a girls background. I am not talking bad or being critical. I am just saying be realistic.

The principles that you give align with my experiences. So according to your definition that would make them facts. My experiences have show that it hard to overcome culture. I have friends in Colombia and one that married a Japanese girl and that is universal complaint about the difficulties of trying to bridge culture. They keep it real!

?What are some of the difficulties of trying to bridge culture?

Can you give some examples?

Thanks!

[LittleBigMan]

What are some of the difficulties of trying to bridge culture?

Can you give some examples?

Thanks!Not sure if I can do it clearly, I have a million examples spilling in my head each day even before I opened the restaurant for my wife and son which I help each day in different capacities I watch the workers and customer. Those the restaurant that we serves although we get a few old school Thais who have a lot of money or assets have these standards or teaching in their culture.

Opinion and my experience derived from " not fact " LOL, the greater exposure to the western world the more open they are to learning something new. Those Thais who I have met, from High Class to the lowest which are the majority even those in the middle think more like the low.

I've met a number of Thais who attended school in the West, my personal attorney sister and brother were raised and went to school in Las Vegas and San Francisco, when we talk it is as if they aren't even Thai, their views the conversation as to what we talk they agree and understand. We might think our education in the West isn't keeping up with the world maybe not in the math or science category but the " critical thinking " linked to common sense is non existing to how we are brought up in the West. I've stated this a number of times many things we take for granted in the West the Thai standard doesn't even register the needle.

Education article after article from experts inside and outside the Thailand, if Thailand is to progress out of the dark they must incorporate international standard. Their government system is close to a hundred years behind. Instead of educating they push forward their culture tops leaders control what they learn some say being on time, to pledge to the K--g is more important than learning. The culture is laced with racism and prejudice from top to bottom. The rich Thais who parents opened and able to send them abroad to Western School those who return to Thailand like a number of MP, PM, can't or won't change things just go with the flow cause they have too much to loose. Case in point the Thai Harvard young man PITA who won the election but was removed by their so call consititution drawn up by those who really run the country before and after the man passed. What was he going to change he was already a MP for years but went along with the system or culture the same with the new guy PM, he went to Yale I believe going against the system the old guys. Watch the Thais news at night there is a channel that brainwashes locals things are being done for them.

That culture falls under the title " This is Thailand " This invisible book is so large it makes the bible look silly. The inability to improve the worse country in the world for driving, how roads are fixed, why the traffic is so bad in Bangkok and Pattaya, why there is garbage everywhere, why you can't swim in the ocean around Pattaya, why there is duel pricing, why all the money brought in to Pattaya more than other provinces there isn't any improvement infrastructure yet every major rain storm roads are flooded.

The culture in general brainwash the locals to follow like a rebots and not lead. Educating the people providing them with a good free education would threaten the have's in Thailand who run the place. Simple raising a child one of the toughest things in life in the West we are taught options, here it is only one way what was pass down from generations reason Thais knowing the problem is coming just let it come. If you tell them as a foreigner try this like if Thais are talking about everyday you walk out that door at noon, a train will kill you, tell them don't response T. I. T. Dramatic but it happens.

My son wife, her little brother known him since 4 years old 13 now, years back summer I try to teach him some English, for years all I heard was ABCDE, 1234, so I said let me teach you how to spell five numbers, 1-5 he did it, told him when I come back in two hours will ask again if you get them right I'll give you 20 baht, the sister said 40 baht, mother said too hard this is T. I. T. I politely said reach into your pocket how much money you got, he said I don't have any, I look at sister who ask for 40, someone comes along willing to help you out gives you 20 baht and you ask for 40, mother you say it is too hard T. I. T. You need to allow the school to teach. Today the dude is riding his motorbike got into a number of accidents don't come home, drinks get drunk, kicked out of school, in a gang and they want me to get him out of it like I did for my son. She says she can't do anything about it she isn't a bad person just she never learned a thing from her parents it gets passed down.

What a perfect topic, each morning I hear two words from Thais, " Mao and Lao " for the poor this seems their whole life their culture which is accepted. Little work ethics drink while working and driving if you express your opinion it is a waste of time they stare at you as if they want to kill you. My wife rents a space for her cousin and family to fix motorbikes there is reasons he has no money, his shop is trashed, he spends more time playing with his fighting chickens that attending to shop, customer come no clue where the fuck he is, just this morning I think he lost 500 baht to poor Thais that is a lot of money cause he doesn't what his wife going to the market alone. The culture work ethic is not up to par reason many can't stay at jobs that requires 6 days a week, 10 hours a day with two breaks and a lunch. This brings to the discussion as to why we got the conversation " Beach Road workers ".

Their culture not having critical thinking in their education system is the result we talk about today it runs deep so deep if you try to explain one can't because the Loss of face is so great it is talking playing with a time bomb at the same time it is one of the biggest frustration for someone like me living here trying to bridge the gap. You see the train coming but can't say a thing.