Thailand Lounge and Chat area

[HorseTrader]

Are prices in hua hin about the same as pattaya? Are there any tourist areas that are cheaper than pattaya? I'm just looking for easy commercial sex with emphasis on easy.

I'll do a report on hua hin in a couple months. I'm heading to thailand first of December.


If only there were a section here on Hua Hin.


This chat area is for shooting the shit.Horatio isn't looking for Hua Hin report. He is looking for price and ease comparison between Pattaya, Hua Hin, and other tourist areas. If that isn't shooting the shit, I don't know what is.

[SubCmdr]

I hate the petty arguing here so I will quit my part of it. Have a great day.It's not daylight where I am. In fact I never get to see daylight as I am writing this post from a basement somewhere in the world. ROTFLMAO. Actually I just got my dick sucked really good, hit that nasty thing from behind and flipped her over until she let me know she was coming. Yeah, working girls be coming in an intense fashion under the pounding of my Big Black Dick. Was it fake? My Big Black Dick says no due to the pussy contractions that made me involuntarily blow sponge before I was ready. I rarely lose ejaculatory control. But this girl taps into my sexuality and sensuality and simply won't let go til I give her my splooge deep un her pussy. I wonder if she has clients eat her pussy after me. LOL!


I hate the petty arguing here so I will quit my part of it. Have a great day.Oh, my brother if you think this is arguing you really don't know what the word means. Step over to the Rants thread where I am being accused of ruining and entire thread even though my posts consist of less than 25% of the total posts made.

Upon review, I thing the Horatio has a point in that he is not filing a report. But I also think EverythingThai and Explorer has a better point in that Hua Hin thread might have been a better place to ask for information and comparisons. Just my 2 bhat worth.

Finally I see we have a new writer of fiction over in the Rants thread. He needs to keep his day job. He is not funny. And if that is what constituted fun before I arrived to post in the Rants thread, someone needs to stop by a street market and pick up a used sense of humor because they obviously don't have one.

[AggieDad1]

I linked a story about a VW executive that was recently detained and deported by China after testing positive for cannabis and cocaine. He had just returned to China after a vacation in Thailand and according to the news report the Chinese had been alerted by Thailand police. You have no rights in China and they can detain you and test you at anytime. I was surprised that the Thai police was involved.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3283439/german-volkswagen-executive-jochen-sengpiehl-expelled-china-over-positive-drug-test

[Nyezhov]

I linked a story about a VW executive that was recently detained and deported by China after testing positive for cannabis and cocaine. He had just returned to China after a vacation in Thailand and according to the news report the Chinese had been alerted by Thailand police. You have no rights in China and they can detain you and test you at anytime. I was surprised that the Thai police was involved.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3283439/german-volkswagen-executive-jochen-sengpiehl-expelled-china-over-positive-drug-testWhere does it say that the thais ratted him out?

It's a good lesson though for any Westerner that decides to travel to Thailand and then go to China. You're essentially offering yourself as a hostage.

[Turgid]

I took a 50 year old to Vietnam and a 25 year old to Singapore. The older lady had a much tighter body and was a better fuck. Except she was a massage lady, so it was a massage lady fuck........I always imagine that it would be nice to date a massage lady so you can get free massages every day.

[AggieDad1]

I always imagine that it would be nice to date a massage lady so you can get free massages every day.They are not hard to find. A lot of the older girls have worked massage at one time or another. While you are sitting at the bar just act like you have a stiff neck and see who offers to massage it for you. If the girl you are sitting with does not know what to do she will call over a girl she knows who has massage experience.

[SubCmdr]

I always imagine that it would be nice to date a massage lady so you can get free massages every day.You must not have ever traveled to Thailand. What makes you think that a massage lady that you were dating would work 8, 10 12 hours in the shop then meet you and massage your ass for free? This is Thailand. Besides you must not like kissing. At least I wouldn't after she has had 5 or 10 random guys ejactulate their semen into her mouth. But maybe that is just your thing!


Four Seasons Resort at Waikea, Maui and Montage Laguna Beach Resort, CaliforniaYou mean you can't afford to get a massage at either of these locations. That is why you need to fly to Thailand to date a massage girl in order to get a free one?


I took a 50 year old to Vietnam and a 25 year old to Singapore. The older lady had a much tighter body and was a better fuck. Except she was a massage lady, so it was a massage lady fuck.Tell our massage lover if the massages you got from her were for free?

Actually Turgid instead of giving ATF a massage myself. Since I am not a cheap ass mother fuck like some of you (compound profanity deleted) I take her to her favorite massage shop and let her get the type of massage she wants and I get type of massage I want and I pay for both.

How you like me now?

[SubCmdr]

No surprise (at least to me). Bare knuckle economic geopolitics at work. He was tagged. A pawn caught up in a power struggle that is way bigger than him. Follow the money!

Hope the brother lands on his feet. He is not doing anything anyone else has not done visiting Thailand. Can someone tell me again why they cannot see how that governments worldwide want to tighten the leash on their citizens no matter where they are and what they do?

My understanding is that you can get prosecuted in my country of origin when you return if you engage in activities legal in the country of you were visited when you return to their shores also. So, I do not carry an attitude of superiority in that area. War is coming to South East Asia yet again.


I linked a story about a VW executive that was recently detained and deported by China after testing positive for cannabis and cocaine. He had just returned to China after a vacation in Thailand and according to the news report the Chinese had been alerted by Thailand police. You have no rights in China and they can detain you and test you at anytime. I was surprised that the Thai police was involved.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3283439/german-volkswagen-executive-jochen-sengpiehl-expelled-china-over-positive-drug-test

[Explorer8939]

I always imagine that it would be nice to date a massage lady so you can get free massages every day.She doesn't know how to give a real massage. I have another lady for that.

The massage lady only knows massage shop sex, which is to tease a dick, and then eventually jump on for a quickie.

I'm going to have to train her to do real sex.

[Explorer8939]

Some of the ladies in my rotation disappear for a while when they find a sponsor. Typically, if they get tens of thousands of baht for nothing from a sucker, they will go home to the village and shack up with a Thai man.

Their problem is that sponsors are, by definition, crazy, and they often come to their senses after a few months and cut off the money spigot. And, no money, no honey. So, the lady comes back to my condo for quick money.

I do make a distinction between ladies with sponsors and ladies with Farang boyfriends, I won't fuck a lady with a real boyfriend. Sometimes this can be difficult as a lady with an absent boyfriend gets horny, and sometimes they will claim the Farang can't boom-boom, they get naked, and spread their legs.

[Mr Enternational]

Not too many people want to work all day at work then come home to have to do the same damn thing. American guy is the boyfriend of the lady that owns the shop that I go to. I go so much that he told me damn man, you get more massages from my girl than I do. I suspect he is the one that paid for the shop anyway. But she said it is rented for 10,000 per month and has 2 rooms in the back.

[EverythingThai]

Fifteen years ago, boum boum on Soi 6 cost 700 baht. So with inflation at 2% it should cost 950 baht today, right? In fact, it now costs 1500-2000 baht.

15 years ago the bus cost 10 baht. How much does it cost today? The same.

The prices for beer and food and hotels are roughly based on the inflation rate. That's okay. But what girls are demanding these days has nothing to do with inflation.

MrEnternational said:

"We have been over time and time again how in non-Western countries they raise the price when business is slow in order to make the money from the few customers that they would ordinarily be making when there are more customers."

That's exactly the point. Asian thinking.I want you to look at this video. I will post the link to this news channel. You don't know about the internal workings of Thai culture. Watch 100 % of the video. Then you will understand that in relation to Thai people, inflation on the books and inflation in reality are not the same. Even though the example in the video is related to Bangkok, it will still apply to Pattaya as well. Food is the biggest example. When you watch, truly listen to what this Thai girl says. Then you will know inflation in reality is much higher than posted on the books and inflation is truly a big issue for Thai people living in most cities in Thailand.

Don't comment back until you have watched 100% of the video or I will know it from your reply. Then you will clearly understand the Thai girls who work in Pattaya or any other city.

It's only 7 minutes long, so it won't kill you to watch it all. Truly listen to what this Thai girl says.

And for the poster who keeps posting about the Thai sideline scene. This video is a classic example of why that scene is cheaper. If it was not cheaper, they would not have customers. However, the Thai only scene is not relevant to tourists coming to Pattaya. They just don't care or don't want the trouble and the time wasting.

https://youtu.be/JBrvNY7ekkk?si=bk3qr_4lq4cz3Vhw

[Explorer8939]

I had two ladies over last night. I was a little disappointed that they didn't interact. And each required a condom when fucking in front of the other lady. But when one lady went to the bathroom, the other jumped on for BB fucking.

[Explorer8939]

I use Facebook for communications with multiple ladies in Thailand. For example, after I return from travel I post a notice, usually a photo from my condo balcony, so the ladies know I am back, and they contact me for a "date".

Because I am so visible on Facebook, I get friend requests from sponsors of bargirls. It's pretty obvious what they want, they want to pepper me with questions about their bargirl "girlfriend". Does she go with customers, does she come to my condo, does she travel with me, etc.

If you aren't in Pattaya and you are sending money to a bargirl, you're dead anyway. Virtually every bargirl with an absent sponsor gets laid, either with a bar customer, a Thai boyfriend or something else. Your money facilitates her finding a sexual partner.

[ElMexicant]

Celebrity Fitness is offering a free 3 day guest pass. You can get swoll and bounce your chest at girls like I do. Most guys on here probably don't need it as I am sure they already be in great shape if they are doing the humpty dance 2 hours and longer, but it is a great way to sneak around taking pics of girls. Plus there are plenty of opportunities to flash the cleaning ladies when they clean the shower areas. Sometimes I hear them and parented I don't know they are there and step out with my king cobra all dangling wet. Also if you see a bottle water like mine with floating goop, don't be a Chester Fried. And definitely, no dress shoes on the gym floor. That is just tacky.

[Explorer8939]

I had a massage lady over last night, and she performed her standard massage lady routine: BJ until I got hard, put on condom and jump on for cowboy until I come.

My goal is to teach her to have sex like a normal lady.

Her issue is she can't have "normal" sex in her shop. Apart from the small beds, she can't spend too much energy on a single customer, since she might have 8 in one shift.

[Explorer8939]

I know a couple of ladies who live off Facebook, meaning they collect social media contacts from lonely guys, message them, and ultimately hit them up for money. One of them had 5000 friends when it was still possible to see that. She lives with her Thai boyfriend and just does the Facebook thing all day.

Unfortunately she has gained weight so she posts pre-Covid photos. New photo are face only.

Periodically, she does the "I broke up with my boyfriend" routine to try to get money.

The point is: don't send money to some lady in Thailand.

[Nyezhov]

I know a couple of ladies who live off Facebook, meaning they collect social media contacts from lonely guys, message them, and ultimately hit them up for money. One of them had 5000 friends when it was still possible to see that. She lives with her Thai boyfriend and just does the Facebook thing all day.

Unfortunately she has gained weight so she posts pre-Covid photos. New photo are face only.

Periodically, she does the "I broke up with my boyfriend" routine to try to get money.

The point is: don't send money to some lady in Thailand.I would bet that the very first post on the very first discussion forum about Thailand was "don't send money to Thai ladies".

Since newbies don't bother to RTFF, that's one statement worth repeating.

[Explorer8939]

I had a minor victory today: last week, I had a civvie lady over, along with a bar girl. I had previously taught the bar girl (actually a massage lady taught her) to do prostate massage, and the bar girl taught the civvie. And the civvie did it for me tonight. Of course, not as good as the original massage lady, but still okay.

The civvie loves getting her pussy licked, if she had her way, she wouldn't stop. She claims her Thai boyfriend won't do it.

The only problem is that I was too drunk to fuck her and she was too drunk to fuck me. I'll have to work on that in the future.

[Explorer8939]

Although I love in Pattaya, I travel a lot. So now I am in Pattaya for only a few days before I leave Thailand again. Which means, I am in the same position as someone who visits Pattaya for a short time, which translates into hooking up with as many ladies as possible.

So, yesterday, I had three ladies come to my condo. Now it's morning and I have a massage lady coming for a quick fuck. She does the classic massage fuck, gets my dick hard and then immediately jumps on to make me finish quickly.

At 14.00, there is a lady coming who, once she's horny, doesn't want to stop fucking. That could be a problem.

Tonight, I will go to Maggie Mays Darkside and barfine a lady for the night. Fortunately, she doesn't need lots of fucking, if I get off in 3 minutes she will be happy.

[Explorer8939]

I had an in demand lady sleep over last night.

Her telephone was making noises all night long, lonely guys wanting to talk to her. She says she gets guys who barfine her a couple of times and want to marry her. But she already has a Farang husband. She's got a bit of contempt for the lonely guys, no idea what she thinks of me, apart from being a customer.

I had to get up early to wake her up, so her young Thai boyfriend could pick her up.

[Werqweq]

Celebrity Fitness is offering a free 3 day guest pass. You can get swoll and bounce your chest at girls like I do. Most guys on here probably don't need it as I am sure they already be in great shape if they are doing the humpty dance 2 hours and longer, but it is a great way to sneak around taking pics of girls. Plus there are plenty of opportunities to flash the cleaning ladies when they clean the shower areas. Sometimes I hear them and parented I don't know they are there and step out with my king cobra all dangling wet. Also if you see a bottle water like mine with floating goop, don't be a Chester Fried. And definitely, no dress shoes on the gym floor. That is just tacky.I thought you were joking about the name, but LOL, I guess it does fit in perfectly with the thais to name a gym celebrity fitness. Hope they still offer free trials in December. Not as handsome as you, I'm sure, but maybe I'll have a chance at some of your broken hearted leftovers.

[Newton York]

I was looking into a Bangkok. NYC sometime in 2025, business class flight, and it's looking to be around 2500 bucks. Now, if I went to Bangkok using just economy, then the whole round trip would be around 3300 hundred. Might be worth it fellas. I think I'm going to do that. My chance at Bangkok in 2024 was completely messed up for me due to unforeseen circumstances. Really, really unlucky. But that's the story of my life. Jeezum crow. If I had a nickel for every time bad luck befell me, I'd be a rich man now.

But yes, business class from Bangkok to the states. Why not? Color me intrigued, but I've been seeing even Air India's business class flights on their A350's seem to be getting good reviews. But I'd rather pay a coupla hundred dollars more for Singapore Airlines before I get anywhere near Air India. Now, if only I can get a job. Hmmmm.

[Explorer8939]

Last night was my last in Thailand for a week (I am flying to the US for a quick trip to vote), so I arranged for three ladies to come (not all at the same time).

The first came in the early afternoon. We drank for a few hours and then hit the bedroom. I came pretty quickly (that's what most bargirls want), but she was drunk and horny still. I had to ease her out the door, because lady #2 was waiting.

The next one was my regular massage lady, except she was coming to drink and fuck. For some reason, she looked very good, maybe she lost weight. Like many massage ladies, her fucking style leaves a lot to be desired, but she looked good naked. Eventually she hopped on the Cowboy, and her rack was decent enough that I played with her tits until the big finish. While I was licking her pussy, she seemed to be having fun, her nipples were hard and pointed up.

Lady #3 came just to fuck and sleep. She's in her 20's, doesn't know much about fucking. I have taught her to give a BJ in bed diagonally (most ladies do it between my legs so I can't touch them), but this lady positions herself so I can touch her everywhere. After, it was more Cowboy and then off to sleep. The only problem with a young lady is they don't have much sexual feeling (or the ability to fake it well), so it's kind of mechanical. But, after so much fucking, I didn't need a big show.

Now it's morning, and I am in monk mode, no more ladies for me.

[Allover]

I was looking into a Bangkok. NYC sometime in 2025, business class flight, and it's looking to be around 2500 bucks. Now, if I went to Bangkok using just economy, then the whole round trip would be around 3300 hundred. Might be worth it fellas. I think I'm going to do that. My chance at Bangkok in 2024 was completely messed up for me due to unforeseen circumstances. Really, really unlucky. But that's the story of my life. Jeezum crow. If I had a nickel for every time bad luck befell me, I'd be a rich man now.

But yes, business class from Bangkok to the states. Why not? Color me intrigued, but I've been seeing even Air India's business class flights on their A350's seem to be getting good reviews. But I'd rather pay a coupla hundred dollars more for Singapore Airlines before I get anywhere near Air India. Now, if only I can get a job. Hmmmm.Singapore Air is great. I used to fly them in business class all the time. My last few trips have been with Japan Airlines in business class (using AA miles). They are good also. I've seen ads on Facebook for companies that sell business class seats at greatly reduced prices. You might want to look into that but be careful before handing over your $$ If anybody here knows a company that sells reduced price business seats I'm sure we would like to hear about it.

[Davey1965]

I was looking into a Bangkok. NYC sometime in 2025, business class flight, and it's looking to be around 2500 bucks. Now, if I went to Bangkok using just economy, then the whole round trip would be around 3300 hundred. Might be worth it fellas. I think I'm going to do that. My chance at Bangkok in 2024 was completely messed up for me due to unforeseen circumstances. Really, really unlucky. But that's the story of my life. Jeezum crow. If I had a nickel for every time bad luck befell me, I'd be a rich man now.

But yes, business class from Bangkok to the states. Why not? Color me intrigued, but I've been seeing even Air India's business class flights on their A350's seem to be getting good reviews. But I'd rather pay a coupla hundred dollars more for Singapore Airlines before I get anywhere near Air India. Now, if only I can get a job. Hmmmm.Not sure where you are getting your numbers from. Business is never less than economy. Actually a direct flight from Newark only has business and premium economy.

I just went on app and a round trip premium economy flight in April is only $1430.00 with only grades being bulkhead or solo seat. Business class was $3370.00.

Might want to double check as prem economy is a bargain for this trip. That 2 k you will be saving can be your play fund.

[Explorer8939]

I am back in the US for 4 days, then I will be back in Pattaya.

I've already booked ladies for the time I will be in Pattaya at end of this week, I guess business is still slow in the bars. I'm basically just repeating the same ladies as the last four days before I left Thailand, yeah, not very original.

After my four days in Pattaya, I will take a lady to Koh Phi Phi, and then another up into China.

[ElMexicant]

For the price, this has to be the best thing ice cream deal in all of Asia. I know Thailand loves DQ, but it's overrated to me. I forgot the name of that South Park character. But throw some dark shades, with dark Nike shorts, shirt, and black dress shoes on him and he resembles somebody. I bet some Soi 6 girls can help me minus buying them 40 shots.

[Explorer8939]

On the ground again in Pattaya.

One of my massage ladies came last night, and said business is picking up, from one customer per day to four. She said last November, there wasn't a ramp up in business like this year.

I was pretty tired from the flight from the USA (plus she had had four customers already), so I let her do massage lady sex, popped and fell asleep.

[Explorer8939]

I was in a GC drinking with a lady when I noticed some discoloration on her leg. Her initial explanation was that she had had a motorcycle accident, but that was not consistent with what I saw.

She finally admitted that her Thai boyfriend hit her ("he boxing me".

The usual reason for a bargirl to be hit is she was holding back giving him money.

[Explorer8939]

Had a long talk with a bargirl last night (along with another bargirl). This one has a Farang boyfriend who she goes to sleep with after work. The guy will often come in to her bar, order one drink, and sit for hours watching her work. Which translates to little earnings for her, for obvious reasons. Her Tilac gives her little or no money.

So the talk was "why did you come to Pattaya?

She claimed she was going to leave him Real Soon Now.

The other bargirl had been in a similar situation last year. Once she left her Farang boyfriend, she made a fortune in the bar.

We'll see what happens.

[Explorer8939]

My rotation is pretty stable, maybe 10% turnover a month. So, I have a lot of regulars. Most are bargirls who need extra money because they have Thai money boys to maintain.

One lady is a civvie, she has a couple of kids and a baby daddy. Last night, she started getting lovey dokey. I am hoping she isn't trying to capture a new breadwinner.

Or maybe it's easier for her to cum if she loves a guy.

[Explorer8939]

It's time for another session of "Your Bar girl Has a Thai Boyfriend".

The belief that bar girls don't have boyfriends is based on the monger thinking that the bar girl only wants sex with him, and if he's not around, the lady doesn't want sex. It's a fantasy.

It is true that there is a fraction of bar girls who don't want sex. With anyone. But will do so for money. It's a tiny fraction.

Oh, and there's old ladies who are past caring about sex or love, but know their "use by" date is coming up and will fuck for money and then go home and sleep alone.

But, a bar girl in her prime will generally have a kik for her wants and needs, as well as multiple Farang boyfriends.

In bar girl culture, having a kik gives status among her peers (the younger the kik, the more status, but the kik is a big secret for customers).

I personally don't care if the bar girl has a kik as long as he doesn't interfere with her performance. There have been times when a bar girl has a fight with her Thai boyfriend, and she is paralyzed with grief. That's when I give her taxi money to go home.

Even if you know a bar girl well, she won't say anything about problems with her Thai boyfriend, although she will talk all day about her Farang customers.

It's assumed among bar girls that it costs money to maintain a Thai boyfriend, although ladies never talk about handing money over. They will brag about buying a car or moto, but not say it's in the name of the kik.

And when they have bruises on their body, it's assumed that the kik wants more money.

Some newbies equate kiks with pimps, but the kik has zero interest in the lady's work, they just collect the money.

[SubCmdr]

My experience is limited as I only have had 2-3 experiences. Overall I think threesomes are usually overrated. Reading reports here seems to back that up.I have having threesomes all my entire sexual life. It is my favorite type of sex to have. I have had many more non-transactional threesomes in my lifetime than I have had that were transaction.

I guess it my surprise you that a newbie I have had remarkable success with threesomes and have had two so far in my 540 RONs here in Pattaya. The both cost me 2500 THB including the room. One was boom boom no condom with CIP finish in both. The other was condoms switching but with a pair that knew what they were doing. I finished up when one said cum in my mouth and the other started kissing me and playing with my nipples. I blew splooge all up in her mouth.

I just it is just newbies luck I wan't even sure if I wrote about it would be considered as dominating the threads. As for the not knowing how to buy a pair of shoes. I do know. I just ask ATF and she orders them for me. I guess some people have been International Tricking for so long they forgot what it like when girl brings more to the table than just her pussy and actually likes them. All kinds of good things happen out of the kindness of their heart. I just finding ATF was just newbies luck too. LOL!

How you like me now?

[Allover]

The topic of how difficult it is to buy shoes in Pattaya has come up recently in several threads. I know this can be particularly challenging for people new to the city as residents or visitors. I want to recommend the Moo Chuu shop on the 2nd floor of Terminal 21. Moo Chuu custom makes flip flops usually while you wait. You choose from an extensive selection of straps and soles in different types and colors. You can google the Moo Chuu website to see what I am talking about. I took a girl there and bought her a pair of flip flops. She loved the store and enjoyed making her own design.

Don't' flame me for buying gifts for girls. I very rarely buy gifts for the girls in Pattaya, working or non-working girls. Of the 541 girls (by my estimate) I have been with, she was one of my favorites and flip flops weren't that expensive.

[GatorAk]

Looking for a 24 hour breakfast place near Hilton. Need my pancakes daily.

[Explorer8939]

Early in my mongering career, I would go Long Time with a bar girl, a lot. She claimed I was her boyfriend, I suspected she meant bar boyfriend, a / k / a exclusive customer.

Unfortunately for her, I bar fined her one night, where we ate at a restaurant before going to the hotel. About an hour after fucking, she claimed she was sick, and eventually went back to her room. Her explanation was that she was allergic to beef, and accidentally consumed some.

So, for years afterwards, she never ate beef in front of me.

It turned out that she had the hots for some young guy who worked as a street vendor late at night, so she faked the beef allergy to go see him.

Next month, we traveled to Russia, where she spent a long time on the telephone, obviously talking to a Thai man. After a week in Russia, she got to the point where she was paralyzed from missing her Thai man, and spent 2 days lying in bed in the hotel. After that, she recovered, knowing she would see him soon.

After she returned to Pattaya, she learned that her Tilac had a Thai wife who knew about the relationship and threatened to kill her. Oops.

I didn't much care about her relationships, unless it impacted my bar fines with her.

After that, she quickly got a new Thai man, which I figured out immediately, as she gave up her free room in the bar to go pay rent in Naklua. I would sometimes drop her off in Naklua, but never bothered to go inside her room, since I knew she had a Thai man living there.

Most newbies who fall for a bar girl don't see the obvious signs that their honey has a Thai man. I guess love is blind.

Anyway, after many years, I took the bar girl to Argentina and we went to a super steak place in Puerto Madero. Suddenly, the beef allergy disappeared and never came back.

[SubCmdr]

Are you really in Thailand?I don't know? Am I? Yeah, I think I am in Thailand. Way more than you!


Looking for a 24 hour breakfast place near Hilton. Need my pancakes daily.I-Rover, Nest, Hungry Hippo, Bake and Brew

Need 24 hour breakfast: got nothing for you brother.

Lanzhou Noodles on Beach Road is open 24 hours. Is my goto spot to hit just before bed after parting into the early morning hours.


It's amazing how a newbie can hit town and give advice / answer to anybody and everybody who posts. A total domination of all the Pattaya boards.Hey brother GatorAk, do you see anyone else answering your question?

[Explorer8939]

I don't know? Am I? Yeah, I think I am in Thailand. Way more than you!

Yep. Since I don't want to be a Thai tax resident this year, I will only stay in Thailand 140 days this year. After tomorrow, I will make a short visit to China, and then it's off to Dubai and Brazil for the rest of the year.

I will transfer money from the US to Thailand this year, so I don't need any transfers next year, in case I decide to stay more than 180 days next year. The baht is getting up to 35, which is decent.

I look forward to your thrilling account of filing your Thai tax return on March 31,2025.

[Nyezhov]

The topic of how difficult it is to buy shoes in Pattaya has come up recently in several threads. I know this can be particularly challenging for people new to the city as residents or visitors. I want to recommend the Moo Chuu shop on the 2nd floor of Terminal 21. Moo Chuu custom makes flip flops usually while you wait. You choose from an extensive selection of straps and soles in different types and colors. You can google the Moo Chuu website to see what I am talking about. I took a girl there and bought her a pair of flip flops. She loved the store and enjoyed making her own design.

Don't' flame me for buying gifts for girls. I very rarely buy gifts for the girls in Pattaya, working or non-working girls. Of the 541 girls (by my estimate) I have been with, she was one of my favorites and flip flops weren't that expensive.I stopped wearing flip flops in Thailand after I saw some Thai Guy on Rama 4 after a motorcycle accident with his foot split right down the middle to his ankle. Then there was the girl in Cambodia I saw about six years ago With her foot rotting from a simple wound. Closed toe sandals Are one less way To ruin Your time here.

[LittleBigMan]

I don't know? Am I? Yeah, I think I am in Thailand. Way more than you!

I-Rover, Nest, Hungry Hippo, Bake and Brew

Need 24 hour breakfast: got nothing for you brother.

Lanzhou Noodles on Beach Road is open 24 hours. Is my goto spot to hit just before bed after parting into the early morning hours.

Hey brother GatorAk, do you see anyone else answering your question?Correction, I-Rover use to open 24 hours I think those renting rooms have access if staying but they no longer 24 hours not sure what time they close but for a few hours then open again at 7 am.

American breakfast 129 baht will hit the spot if guy is looking for pancakes although dollar size. You get 3 pancakes, 2 decent sauage, two bacons, one toast cut in half, orange juice or tang LOL, two eggs, coffee or tea.

[Werqweq]

The topic of how difficult it is to buy shoes in Pattaya has come up recently in several threads. I know this can be particularly challenging for people new to the city as residents or visitors. I want to recommend the Moo Chuu shop on the 2nd floor of Terminal 21. Moo Chuu custom makes flip flops usually while you wait. You choose from an extensive selection of straps and soles in different types and colors. You can google the Moo Chuu website to see what I am talking about. I took a girl there and bought her a pair of flip flops. She loved the store and enjoyed making her own design.

Don't' flame me for buying gifts for girls. I very rarely buy gifts for the girls in Pattaya, working or non-working girls. Of the 541 girls (by my estimate) I have been with, she was one of my favorites and flip flops weren't that expensive.No flame, that's a really nice idea for a place to bring a girl. Looks like they have a store in Terminal 21 at Asoke, Bangkok too.

[Explorer8939]

For the guys who live in Pattaya, we have the time to winnow through a bunch of ladies to find the good ones.

For the guys here for 2 weeks, a "bad" lady who ruins your night is a disaster.

[Mr Enternational]

Looking for a 24 hour breakfast place near Hilton. Need my pancakes daily.The secret has been out a while. I am surprised that it never got to you. Not near the Hilton, but this is where everybody is getting their pancakes these days.

[SubCmdr]

I have had several ISG members tell me that they are pivoting from Pattaya, Thailand to Jakarta, Indonesia. The all tell me that Jarkarta is better. More attractive girls, lower prices, better service. I know what this guy thinks:


You should visit Jakarta. I think their women are better looking than Thais and there are plenty of options to be an International Prick there. When your not chasing women there, hit up Jollebee's. They have great ice cream.Anyone else with experience in Jakarta and Pattaya wish to chime in for me?

[Explorer8939]

I write about bargirls having Thai boyfriends or Farang customer boyfriends because of the large number of victims of this fraud. It doesn't impact me because I'm not looking for a girlfriend from a bar, but a very large percent of the ladies in my rotation are attached.

I knew one bargirl who had five Farang boyfriends at the same time.

One bargirl had an ex-pat customer boyfriend for 3 years. He gave her 30,000 baht per month, while she lived apart from him with her Thai boyfriend. She went to Brazil with me for a month, and told the Farang she was going to the temple.

The biggest challenge for bargirls is High Season, when multiple boyfriends come at the same time.

One lady in my rotation is a civvie, having stopped work in the bar before COVID to live with her Thai husband. She still has a customer boyfriend sending her money all these years.

And yes, the ladies in my rotation all complain about their Farang customer boyfriends when they are drunk.

[MrHappyKat]

Anyone else with experience in Jakarta and Pattaya wish to chime in for me?When I get back from 5 days in Bangkok, and 12 days in Pattaya, then a full month in Jakarta, plus a week in Bali. I'll be home mid-May. .

[Explorer8939]

Back in Pattaya for one night.

I arranged for a lady to come for the night. She showed up early, I gave her some wine, and she got naked. Since I needed to take a shower, I ushered us into the shower and gave her a wash. She has a nice round ass and a good, although pendulous, rack.

In bed, she got down to business and soon we were both asleep.

Today, I have a massage lady coming mid-day for a quick fuck, and then I will be packing for a long road trip. The lady I will be traveling with comes tonight, and then we go to a hotel next to Suvarnabhumi to spend the night, since it's an early flight to Dubai tomorrow.

Goodbye Pattaya.

Last night's lady has a young boyfriend from Spain, and a Turkish guy who is coming to work in Pattaya for the High Season. Not to mention a Chinese long time customer and a Korean guy who is an off and on boyfriend. Even if I were not leaving, I probably wouldn't see her again until Low Season.

[Mr Enternational]

For the guys who live in Pattaya, we have the time to winnow through a bunch of ladies to find the good ones.

For the guys here for 2 weeks, a "bad" lady who ruins your night is a disaster.The bad usually starts with alcohol though. My girl was telling me about a guy she drove to the airport. He was staying at LK on Beach Road. He went and got a BR freelancer to come to his room and drink with him for 1000 baht. He said it was cheaper than being in a bar having a chick drink with him. So the chick got drunk and destroyed the room. It took 2 security guys to carry her off. The girl was screaming that is my fucking room and my fucking husband. The guy had to pay 40,000 baht for all the shit she tore up.

[Paolo99]

The bad usually starts with alcohol though. My girl was telling me about a guy she drove to the airport. He was staying at LK on Beach Road. He went and got a BR freelancer to come to his room and drink with him for 1000 baht. He said it was cheaper than being in a bar having a chick drink with him. So the chick got drunk and destroyed the room. It took 2 security guys to carry her off. The girl was screaming that is my fucking room and my fucking husband. The guy had to pay 40,000 baht for all the shit she tore up.I bet that one can be fucked up every hours of the day too, not only when she is drinking alcohol.

Bringing a prostitute you're planning to give 1000 bahts (to save bucks) in a room you're paying 6000 bahts per day is never a good idea.

[SubCmdr]

Everyone has a story about a prostitute behaving badly. Here is one about a customer behaving badly:

Sad Event

During the night a couple of tables over a farang that was simply NOT with the program started touching a girl dancing on his table. She asked him to buy her a drink (a perfectly reasonable request). He refused. So she started screaming her bloody head off. Drawing the attention of the entire club over the very loud music that was being played. Security and management came over to the table to assess the situation and explain how the dumb ass Farang could get his mind right. He refused to buy her a drink. Wrong answer. They snatched him up out of that booth and marched him out of the club with prejudice. I started laughing my ass off. Mother fucker got flexed on because he would pay 165 baht for a Lady Drink.

Are you fucking kidding me?

[Explorer8939]

A couple of months ago, a school teacher in Chaiyaphum was trying to get me to come visit her. She was clearly trying to get a Farang boyfriend.

At the last minute, she waved me off. No problem for me, going to Chaiyaphum is a hassle, and a lady I was going to see in Khon Kaen cancelled on me, too.

It turns out that Chaiyaphum lady has a Farang boyfriend. Not only, that, he's been the boyfriend for a long time, since he just took her to Finland for a visit. So, she was trying to get boyfriend #2 when she was talking to me. Classic Thai lady move.

BTW, Khon Kaen lady just pinged me. Whatever caused her to cancel went away.

[Explorer8939]

Bargirls typically want to see a customer for three days, either a barfine for three days, or 3 one night barfines.

They use the 3 days to evaluate the customer to see if the guy is customer sponsor material. At the end of three days, they will have a good idea if the guy is going to send money when he goes home.

If they come to the conclusion that the guy is a Cheap Charlie, the last night will be no fun for the customer. And trying to barfine the lady after Day Three is pointless. That's why the Three Day Rule exists.

[Mr Enternational]

My boy (American) was married to a chick and they lived where she is from in Isaan. He had a house built on her mother's land, and the house is in the chick's name. They broke up and both came to Pattaya. She met another American guy who bought her a bar on Soi Chaiyapoon for $40,000. She met another American guy who she dated for about 1 year. They just sold the bar and moved back to Isaan and got married. They had $40,000 worth of gold at the wedding. My boy refuses to move out of the house that he paid to build, so now they all 3 live together, but my boy says that master bedroom is his! The guy that bought the bar for her is moping around Pattaya wondering what the fuck happened. My ass had just bought a 300 baht shirt from the bar calling myself supporting it right before they sold it off. She had the bar about a year and a half. I am cool with all 3 guys. The truth is stranger than fiction.

[Newton York]

I could be 1 out of 10 boyfriends that a Thai bar girl juggles around, don't matter to me. I'm an old man now, at best I got a few years left. Use me, fuck me over, so long as I get to be in Thailand. That being said though, why would any guy in pussy heaven like Thailand want to shack up permanently with just 1 chick when he could have as many as he can handle?

As I've said many times here, and from my own personal experience, since I look like a Danny Devito type, these Thai chicks will fuck us foreigners, so long as we pay up. By Beelzebubs balls, it's the only way an ugly ass man such as myself can get laid anyway.

I say bring it on, Thailand is a thousand times better than the hell-hole I'm in now, I don't ever remember a time when America was good to me. Thank you Uncle Sam!

No, I take it back. The one time America was good to me was when Die Hard was released. Yeah, yippee ki yay motherfuckers! Best damn Christmas movie ever made!

That might explain why there are so many Americans cool with being screwed over by Thai chicks. Somehow it's still better than being in America itself I suppose. Satan knows the VA doesn't do shit for me. Fucking hell. You kids are lucky you know South East Asia as the paradise it is now. I was there decades ago when it was hell. Thanks again Uncle Sam!

"Come out to the coast, we'll get together, have a few laughs..."
"No fucking shit lady, does it sound like im ordering a pizza?"

So many great lines. Best Christmas movie ever!

[Explorer8939]

In Thailand, foreigners cannot own land. So when you buy a house with your Thai girlfriend, she gets it when you break up.

And probably 90% of bargirl relationships involving purchase of a house end when ownership of the house is finalized. I can't tell you how many bargirls come back to work once the house has been built or purchased.

[Newton York]

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/wife-for-hire-inside-thailands-shocking-rental-marriage-trend

By Merlin's beard! Why would anyone want to 'rent' a wife in Thailand? Isn't that what we sort of do already? Except we switch out the girls from day to day, hour to hour. I mean the whole point of Thailand is so that we don't get stuck with just one chick. That's the POINT! Why are people paying thousands for the same chick over weeks and weeks? What's the difference from that and a real shitty marriage? Beelzebub Himself would hate this. The longest I ever had a Thai chick was 2 days, and by then I was ready for her to skidaddle so I could fuck another babe. Can you imagine if you're married to the same woman from 20 years ago, she'd look like crap now. In Thailand, you get to have chicks half your age, or in my case, one third my age. Wait. I'm so old, the chicks are basically a quarter my age! Hah!

It sounds like these dudes, want someone that'll drive them around, show them around, cook and clean for them, etc. I mean by Lucifer's ballsack, just get a maid and or driver then. Then get a different chick to fuck every day. Thailand, a paradise on earth, created by Mephistopheles Himself for our pleasure, and some idiots would spend thousands to just have one chick? Oh Puh-lease. Give me 3 different chicks every day, and when I find a coupla good gems, I'd repeat them the next week. And when there's a really good one, I'll spend the whole day with her a week later.

[Paolo99]

In Thailand, you get to have chicks half your age, or in my case, one third my age. Wait. I'm so old, the chicks are basically a quarter my age! Hah!When a chick ask me how old I am, I ask her how old is your dad?

The dad is almost always younger than me, I just tell her I'm older than dad.

You would see their faces, usually they don't find it funny.

[TConor]

In Thailand, foreigners cannot own land. So when you buy a house with your Thai girlfriend, she gets it when you break up.

And probably 90% of bargirl relationships involving purchase of a house end when ownership of the house is finalized. I can't tell you how many bargirls come back to work once the house has been built or purchased.You can get a 30 year lease, which will probably out live lots of guys here, and it can be renewed if you live that long. And there must be a way to "will" the lease to someone else of your choice. That should keep her faithful. Or my choice is to will 1/2 to her and 1/2 to the other bar girl you select to make a 3 party party.

[Nyezhov]

You can get a 30 year lease, which will probably out live lots of guys here, and it can be renewed if you live that long. And there must be a way to "will" the lease to someone else of your choice. That should keep her faithful. Or my choice is to will 1/2 to her and 1/2 to the other bar girl you select to make a 3 party party.I don't think leases are inheritable. But I could be wrong.

[Explorer8939]

You can get a 30 year lease, which will probably out live lots of guys here, and it can be renewed if you live that long. And there must be a way to "will" the lease to someone else of your choice. That should keep her faithful. Or my choice is to will 1/2 to her and 1/2 to the other bar girl you select to make a 3 party party.You are talking in theory.

Here is the reality: you go to Pattaya, fall in love with a lady. Agree to make a house for her in her village. Once the house is done, she goes with another guy.

Even if you have a lease, do you really want to sit alone in the house in her village for 30 years?

[SubCmdr]

You can get a 30 year lease, which will probably out live lots of guys here, and it can be renewed if you live that long. And there must be a way to "will" the lease to someone else of your choice. That should keep her faithful. Or my choice is to will 1/2 to her and 1/2 to the other bar girl you select to make a 3 party party.In Thailand I think you are better off renting. It is possible under very limited situations if you have an operating company that requires land. The company can own it. But the land must be required for business operations. So, we are usually not talking vilas unless you are running a AirBnB type operation.

Take your money an buy Bitcoin with it. You will be better off in the long run. Rent what you need. Any lease longer than 3 years needs to be recorded at the land office.

[SubCmdr]

Make me laugh when people actually think that money does not play a factor in the racial preferences that Thai Girls have. You see when I have been in a Soi 6 bar with a Korean they have been balling like a mother fucking pro. Does anyone else think that money does not factor into that preference?


I agree with your analysis 100% You can't expect a Maserati when you pay for a Toyota Camry.

From years ago those who "felt" priced out of the market (due to Japanese and Koreans raising prices) continually posted in the Thailand threads how their "rich" Asian counterparts are ruining Thailand pricing. This is why I mentioned that the Koreans and Japanese aren't even going after the same girls the "Farang" are. Currently I've been reading the Philippines threads and all I read is how the Koreans have ruined the market by paying higher rates. Now I haven't been to PI yet but I can bet when I arrive the so called "Korean bars" have way better quality girls than the "Farang bars" (no different than Walking Street vs LK Metro gogo bars in Pattaya). So where will I be? At the "Korean bars".

I'm not sure if I answered your questions. I believe we're on the same side. I always laugh when I hear a guy saying they don't like gogo bars. For me what's not to like. 100+ girls dancing in your face. But when they admit why they don't like gogo bars it always comes down to the Benjamins. They don't want to pay the going rate for the "best looking" girls. ST and LT for gogo bars have been the same since at least 2015. BF for Pattaya has gone up a tad because of tiered pricing in 2016. Lady drinks are out of control but all you really have to do is buy one. None if you're a "handsum man".

[Explorer8939]

There is a 3 day rule in Pattaya for customers.

And there is a 3 month rule for bargirls and their customer boyfriends. When some newbie finds his "different" bargirl in Pattaya, goes home after 2 weeks and then sends her money, the 3 month window opens. 90% of all such suckers stop sending money within 3 months. Mostly because they come to their senses.

This is a pain for the bargirl, if she goes back to the village on the basis of receiving regular money. Once the money stops, she has to go back to Pattaya to find a new job and another sucker. Worse, she loses face in the village when the money stops.

[Werqweq]

My boy (American) was married to a chick and they lived where she is from in Isaan. He had a house built on her mother's land, and the house is in the chick's name. They broke up and both came to Pattaya. She met another American guy who bought her a bar on Soi Chaiyapoon for $40,000. She met another American guy who she dated for about 1 year. They just sold the bar and moved back to Isaan and got married. They had $40,000 worth of gold at the wedding. My boy refuses to move out of the house that he paid to build, so now they all 3 live together, but my boy says that master bedroom is his! The guy that bought the bar for her is moping around Pattaya wondering what the fuck happened. My ass had just bought a 300 baht shirt from the bar calling myself supporting it right before they sold it off. She had the bar about a year and a half. I am cool with all 3 guys. The truth is stranger than fiction.Sounds like the movie "the stupid, the stupid, and the stupid".

[Explorer8939]

Make me laugh when people actually think that money does not play a factor in the racial preferences that Thai Girls have. You see when I have been in a Soi 6 bar with a Korean they have been balling like a mother fucking pro. Does anyone else think that money does not factor into that preference?Of course Korean money is a big factor, but also that they often spend big money but don't fuck.

My opinion is that a lot come to Thailand in groups from their work. They can show off their wealth by spending big money on drinks, but they know that there is a good chance that their wife will know if they go ST with a lady. So, they are drinks only.

Which is why their wives let them travel to Thailand with their work buddies.

The downside of Soi 6 changing to "drinks only" is obvious. Even if there are no Koreans in the bar when you show up, the bar girl won't want to go up for ST, because Koreans might show up when she is gone, and she might lose a whale.

[Explorer8939]

Living in some village in Isaan is not always a dream. There's a reason why bar girls tend to stay in Pattaya rather than go back to the village. It's boring.

For some guys, village life is okay. One insurmountable problem, however, is when your Thai partner informs you that she can't fuck any more. Then village reality sets in: there just aren't any available women in the village. This isn't just a problem for Farangs, when bar girls go back to the village, most find there aren't any available men. Mostly because single men and women leave the village to go to some city.

And if you think you can tempt some married lady in the village, that could be a fatal mistake.

So, many Farangs in that situation filter back to Pattaya, minus the money they blew on the house.

[Stiff6]

Hi guys,

Preparing for my Thailand trip in 3 weeks I got myself a premium subscription to Thai friendly, to get a first idea of the site and the girls there. Immediately after signing up I was bombarded with messages from girls, but as I have neither time nor interest in a several weeks-long chat, I hid my profile again. Right now I am just collecting favorites to contact right before my trip.

Here's a few things that are confusing me, maybe there is a pro in this thread, who can help me.

- I was trying to get a look of the competition, so I filtered for all guys in all of Thailand, and only 63 come up. (I allowed my profile to be seen by all men and women.).

That can't be true, can it? Are all the others just hiding from me?

- Many of them have a text like "My Instagram" or "My line ID +" and then there's nothing following, or maybe some squares. Do I have a problem with the character set of my browser, or isn't there any line ID in first place and I have to ask her for it?

- Many of them have "TH" at the end of their TF-name. Is this a redundant mention of Thailand, or does it mean something else?

- Some of the girls post pretty photos and then list a weight / height ratio that makes clear they are at least chubby. If they lie with their photos, why do they give away in the data section that they weigh 85 kg?

And some observations:

- For a country that calls itself "land of smiles" there are a lot of dead serious faces on the site. Also a lot of the photos are of surprisingly bad quality.

- The search filter does not work properly: In a search for Bangkok (+15 km) I also get a few ladies from Pattaya, Phuket, etc.

- looking who is online at what time (and figuring in the time zone) tells you about their day and night rhythm. And a lot of them are online at 4 or 5 am.

- Some girls are sending mixed messages. The funny ones write that they are looking for a serious relationship, but are using photos where they pose half-naked on a bed or in a bathtub. .

Curious to hear from you!

Joe.

[Mr Enternational]

Preparing for my Thailand trip in 3 weeks I got myself a premium subscription to Thai friendly, to get a first idea of the site and the girls there. Immediately after signing up I was bombarded with messages from girls, but as I have neither time nor interest in a several weeks-long chat, I hid my profile again. Right now I am just collecting favorites to contact right before my trip.

Here's a few things that are confusing me, maybe there is a pro in this thread, who can help me.

- I was trying to get a look of the competition, so I filtered for all guys in all of Thailand, and only 63 come up. (I allowed my profile to be seen by all men and women.).
You are overthinking Thai Friendly. Nobody there wants to chat with you! There are 1000 guys hitting these girls up everyday. The only way to stand out is to tell them you are ready immediately. Not that you will come in 3 weeks with money. Hell, half the chicks on the site will have changed by then.

Imagine you planning to go to a restaurant for your birthday next month and you look on their website at the menu. You plan out the perfect meal that you want to eat. You get there to order and everything you plan on eating, they tell you not available. That is what you are doing to yourself. For Thai Friendly it is fast food. You walk up to the menu and order what is available for immediate consumption. You don't plan for it like beef wellington.

See a girl you like. Write you cute. When you come see me? She writes back how much you give me. You write short time 1000 long time 1500. What time you come? She writes back I come 1 hour.

No need to start this weeks before. You start when you hit the ground. I have been on Thai Friendly over 15 years and have never used search. I work from the front page where it is showing chicks who are online at the moment.

You are wasting your time if you are reading profiles. Most women on dating sites only write uninteresting dribble anyway and they most certainly are not reading your profile. I think the only thing my profile says is Hello, because it makes you write at least that. Serious relationship means you only give money to her and no other girl.

[Philip Marlow]

You are overthinking.... Seriously good advice. Thanks.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Hi guys,

Preparing for my Thailand trip in 3 weeks I got myself a premium subscription to Thai friendly, to get a first idea of the site and the girls there. Immediately after signing up I was bombarded with messages from girls, but as I have neither time nor interest in a several weeks-long chat, I hid my profile again. Right now I am just collecting favorites to contact right before my trip.

Here's a few things that are confusing me, maybe there is a pro in this thread, who can help me.

- I was trying to get a look of the competition, so I filtered for all guys in all of Thailand, and only 63 come up. (I allowed my profile to be seen by all men and women.).

That can't be true, can it? Are all the others just hiding from me?

- Many of them have a text like "My Instagram" or "My line ID +" and then there's nothing following, or maybe some squares. Do I have a problem with the character set of my browser, or isn't there any line ID in first place and I have to ask her for it?

- Many of them have "TH" at the end of their TF-name. Is this a redundant mention of Thailand, or does it mean something else?

- Some of the girls post pretty photos and then list a weight / height ratio that makes clear they are at least chubby. If they lie with their photos, why do they give away in the data section that they weigh 85 kg?

And some observations:

- For a country that calls itself "land of smiles" there are a lot of dead serious faces on the site. Also a lot of the photos are of surprisingly bad quality.

- The search filter does not work properly: In a search for Bangkok (+15 km) I also get a few ladies from Pattaya, Phuket, etc.

- looking who is online at what time (and figuring in the time zone) tells you about their day and night rhythm. And a lot of them are online at 4 or 5 am.

- Some girls are sending mixed messages. The funny ones write that they are looking for a serious relationship, but are using photos where they pose half-naked on a bed or in a bathtub. .

Curious to hear from you!

Joe.Dunno about all that but you should look into thaiflirting.com as well. And yes, they all lie about their weight, age, what they're looking for, etc.

[Stiff6]

You are overthinking Thai Friendly. Thanks for your take on TF! I might be overthinking it, but so far it's fun to browse the site and does not feel like work yet.



No need to start this weeks before. You start when you hit the ground.
Browsing the profiles is a nice way to get in the mood for my much needed vacation. I don't count on them anyway being still available in 3 weeks. But maybe they are.

And I'd rather not waste any time in Thailand, bothering to understand a new site or installing Line (which was a major PITA-experience).


Serious relationship means you only give money to her and no other girl.Love that quote, thanks! So I will not be deterred to contact a cutie, who says she's looking for the man of her life.

[Paolo99]

Many of them have a text like "My Instagram" or "My line ID +" and then there's nothing following, or maybe some squares. Do I have a problem with the character set of my browser, or isn't there any line ID in first place and I have to ask her for it?The girl wrote her Line or Instagram ID to be directly contacted on these apps instead of using Thai friendly but it had been deleted by the Thai Friendly admin.

[Nyezhov]

Thanks for your take on TF! I might be overthinking it, but so far it's fun to browse the site and does not feel like work yet.

Browsing the profiles is a nice way to get in the mood for my much needed vacation. I don't count on them anyway being still available in 3 weeks. But maybe they are.

And I'd rather not waste any time in Thailand, bothering to understand a new site or installing Line (which was a major PITA-experience).

Love that quote, thanks! So I will not be deterred to contact a cutie, who says she's looking for the man of her life.Bro, you need to read this entire Forum. Please.

[Chop]

I'd rather not waste any time in Thailand, bothering to understand a new site or installing Line (which was a major PITA-experience)Yeah, foreign apps in foreign languages can be PITA for sure.

(Try FiwFans LOL. Just kidding. Unless you live here, don't try FiwFans.).

I guess you've already installed it, but for anyone else reading this: if you only do one app it should be Line. In fact if you do any number of apps the very first one should be Line. Always Line. PITA or not it's the app that everyone is going to want to bounce you to from whatever other app you're finding them on. Everyone, all the girls and everyone else, uses Line. Bite the bullet and set up Line. Your time here will be easier / better for it.

[Explorer8939]

I lady I met on Facebook (she was trolling for a Farang boyfriend) stopped talking to me when she hooked a Farang and he came to her village. She constantly posted photos of them on Facebook, while professing her eternal love for him.

She saw him off at Suvarnabhumi the other day, he was going home. Within an hour, she was on Messenger to contact me.

[Stiff6]

The girl wrote her Line or Instagram ID to be directly contacted on these apps instead of using Thai friendly but it had been deleted by the Thai Friendly admin.Thanks for the explanation. This is exactly what it looked like, but I saw it on so many profiles that I was confused.


Bro, you need to read this entire Forum. Please.Man, I didn't read the whole forum, but I read A LOT of it and I did read all the posts containing "Thaifriendly". But as I am overthinking it, I keep coming up with these questions. .


Yeah, foreign apps in foreign languages can be PITA for sure. ..... I guess you've already installed it, but for anyone else reading this: if you only do one app it should be Line. Yup, got it installed on the second go, and I did not have any language problems, but the well known and never fixed problem where you cannot add any contacts any way. So I had to completely erase the account and re-register, and then it worked.

Again: thanks everyone for the replies!

[Nyezhov]

Thanks for the explanation. This is exactly what it looked like, but I saw it on so many profiles that I was confused.

Man, I didn't read the whole forum, but I read A LOT of it and I did read all the posts containing "Thaifriendly". But as I am overthinking it, I keep coming up with these questions. .

Yup, got it installed on the second go, and I did not have any language problems, but the well known and never fixed problem where you cannot add any contacts any way. So I had to completely erase the account and re-register, and then it worked.

Again: thanks everyone for the replies!Dude I'm talking about the part of your post where you think you're going to meet the woman of your dreams. Please, save yourself now.

[SubCmdr]

Didn't have to come to Thailand to learn that:

Oh, these hoes ain't loyal; Woah, these hoes ain't loyal - Loyal, Chris Brown.


I lady I met on Facebook (she was trolling for a Farang boyfriend) stopped talking to me when she hooked a Farang and he came to her village. She constantly posted photos of them on Facebook, while professing her eternal love for him.

She saw him off at Suvarnabhumi the other day, he was going home. Within an hour, she was on Messenger to contact me.Thank you so much Mr. Explorer8939 sir! I am learning so much. Please these intriguing stories coming. Have you ever thought about writing a book? I have a title for you:

Relationship Tales of a International Trick (The real stories)

[Philip Marlow]

Bro, you need to read this entire Forum. Please.Man, you must have caught Nyezhov while he was in the Christmas spirit. His admonitions about reading the forum almost always include at least one F in them.

[Stiff6]

Dude I'm talking about the part of your post where you think you're going to meet the woman of your dreams. Please, save yourself now.Thanks for the kind warning, but that must be a misunderstanding. I don't think anything like that. I have regularly consulted service providers at home without falling in love or trying to marry them, and I hope to do the same in Thailand.

[Explorer8939]

Didn't have to come to Thailand to learn that:

Oh, these hoes ain't loyal; Woah, these hoes ain't loyal - Loyal, Chris Brown.

Thank you so much Mr. Explorer8939 sir! I am learning so much. Please these intriguing stories coming. Have you ever thought about writing a book? I have a title for you:

Relationship Tales of a International Trick (The real stories)You may be a seasoned veteran immune to the ways of Pattaya bar girls, but there are thousands of newbies who succumb to their tricks.

[Mr Enternational]

Yup, got it installed on the second go, and I did not have any language problems, but the well known and never fixed problem where you cannot add any contacts any way. So I had to completely erase the account and re-register, and then it worked.Some of my friends have problems installing the app on their apple phones. I have often had problems adding chicks or them me by the name or phone number. Yesterday had the problem and sent a chick my qr code and that worked.

[Nyezhov]

Man, you must have caught Nyezhov while he was in the Christmas spirit. His admonitions about reading the forum almost always include at least one F in them.He seemed like more of a cry for help than the usual, hey, how much is the barfine at Rainbow.


Thanks for the kind warning, but that must be a misunderstanding. I don't think anything like that. I have regularly consulted service providers at home without falling in love or trying to marry them, and I hope to do the same in Thailand.Not hope. Please. Be strong.

[Newton York]

When a chick ask me how old I am, I ask her how old is your dad?

The dad is almost always younger than me, I just tell her I'm older than dad.

You would see their faces, usually they don't find it funny.I got to try that the next time I'm in Bangkok, cause for many years now I've been older than their dads. I should just say I'm as old as their grandpa. Hah!

Although, at a certain point, I think they've stopped asking me my age anymore, cause I'm so visibly old, and maybe there is a part of them that's afraid I'm going to die while my dick is in their pussy. Highly traumatic for them, but best way to go for me. I mean, I got to be a KFC bucket of chicken away from a heart attack by now. By Beelzebub's balls, how am I still living?

[HorseTrader]

I got to try that the next time I'm in Bangkok, cause for many years now I've been older than their dads. I should just say I'm as old as their grandpa. Hah!I'm often the same age as the younger girls' grandfathers. Sometimes I'm older.

I must admit that I like the older girls best, say 30 to 40 years. This trip my youngest girl was beautiful but a terrible performer, she turned 20 last month. One grandfather has passed, but would have been 5 years younger than me. She doesn’t know the other grandfather.

[EihTooms]

When a chick ask me how old I am, I ask her how old is your dad?

The dad is almost always younger than me, I just tell her I'm older than dad.

You would see their faces, usually they don't find it funny.The few times I have been in on the scuttlebutt with a clique of the hottest girls in a gogo bar or two, the kind of girls who are financially secure enough to pick and choose their customers and say no to anyone, anything and everything that does not please them to be with and do regardless of the baht amount, one stated goal among them is to never, never, never be caught fucking a man significantly older than their Dad and their Dad's friends.

That doesn't mean they wouldn't sneak one in on the sly. But it was generally regarded to be a Yucky assignment and to accept a barfine, leave with and be assumed to have fucked a man much older than their dad was sure to cause them a loss of Face in their particular clique. And I don't think that attitude is all that uncommon throughout Thailand.

Therefore, when they ask, I tell the girl to guess my age and, sure enough, their guess is often around the same age I calculate could be their Dad's age; let's say 55 tops for a 25 year old girl. At that point she is probably hoping I will say "Yes, that's about right. " And so I will then smile and say, "Yes, that's about right" even though it is off by 15 years.

But at least she asked, I answered, she could quote that number to her friends on the way out and my answer was acceptable enough for her to dismiss the Yuck factor that otherwise could cloud her mind and decision to be seen leaving with me to fuck or not.

[Allover]

The few times I have been in on the scuttlebutt with a clique of the hottest girls in a gogo bar or two, the kind of girls who are financially secure enough to pick and choose their customers and say no to anyone, anything and everything that does not please them to be with and do regardless of the baht amount, one stated goal among them is to never, never, never be caught fucking a man significantly older than their Dad and their Dad's friends.

That doesn't mean they wouldn't sneak one in on the sly. But it was generally regarded to be a Yucky assignment and to accept a barfine, leave with and be assumed to have fucked a man much older than their dad was sure to cause them a loss of Face in their particular clique. And I don't think that attitude is all that uncommon throughout Thailand.

Therefore, when they ask, I tell the girl to guess my age and, sure enough, their guess is often around the same age I calculate could be their Dad's age; let's say 55 tops for a 25 year old girl. At that point she is probably hoping I will say "Yes, that's about right. " And so I will then smile and say, "Yes, that's about right" even though it is off by 15 years.

But at least she asked, I answered, she could quote that number to her friends on the way out and my answer was acceptable enough for her to dismiss the Yuck factor that otherwise could cloud her mind and decision to be seen leaving with me to fuck or not.I noticed the girls are as bad at guessing our age as we are at guessing their ages.

[EihTooms]

I noticed the girls are as bad at guessing our age as we are at guessing their ages.We probably can assume much of the time they lowball "guess" a number in order to flatter us. But I also suspect they have been told by 70 year old farang men that they are 50 often enough that they have a skewed image of what a 50 year old farang actually looks like. LOL.

And most of the time their 50 year old Thai dad (and mom) looks a hell of a lot older than most 50 year old farang tourists they encounter.

[AggieDad1]

We probably can assume much of the time they lowball "guess" a number in order to flatter us. But I also suspect they have been told by 70 year old farang men that they are 50 often enough that they have a skewed image of what a 50 year old farang actually looks like. LOL.

And most of the time their 50 year old Thai dad (and mom) looks a hell of a lot older than most 50 year old farang tourists they encounter.Add this to the fact that hey keep being told that 5 CM is actually 15 CN and no wonder they walk around looking confused. LOL.

[Mr Enternational]

I noticed the girls are as bad at guessing our age as we are at guessing their ages.If they want me to guess I always say much older than they obviously are. That teaches them to stop with the guessing games.

[BionicMan]

I noticed the girls are as bad at guessing our age as we are at guessing their ages.We guess their age for real, they guess our age to make us happy.

[Newton York]

I'm often the same age as the younger girls' grandfathers. Sometimes I'm older.

I must admit that I like the older girls best, say 30 to 40 years. This trip my youngest girl was beautiful but a terrible performer, she turned 20 last month. One grandfather has passed, but would have been 5 years younger than me. She doesnt know the other grandfather.True, in general the younger ones don't do as well in bed. Some of the worst fucks I've had in Thailand was with the younger ones. They just don't have the experience really, and maybe they're a little anxious or just wondering what happened to their life that this is what they're doing now. The older ones, they've come to accept the reality of it all, they're very experienced, know what we want and expect, and know how to extract more cash out of us. Those who are willing to rim, can definitely get more cash out of me.

All that being said, the 3 best girls I've ever had in my life of hobbying were in the 20's age range. One Korean here in the states and another was a Thai girl in Geylang, Singapore and a Czech chick in a Prague 'privat' style brothel. So when it comes to the younger chicks, when they're good, they are REALLY good. When I say good, my standards are very high. They DFK, very high girlfriend quotient. Incredibly patient with my dick, when it didn't want to stay hard. They rimmed, they CIM. Basically PSE experience. All that and more.

I suppose with our hobby, there's going to be more misses than hits. But I'd like to think most of the misses was ok. Really, in my memory of hobbying, fucking hundreds of working chicks, only 4 or 5 were truly bad. Like I wish I had kicked the chick out, or walked out of the room bad.

[SubCmdr]

Remember, guys, the purpose of this board is to provide information to one another.In that spirit look at the knowledge that Allover has provided us:


The topic of how difficult it is to buy shoes in Pattaya has come up recently in several threads. I know this can be particularly challenging for people new to the city as residents or visitors. I want to recommend the Moo Chuu shop on the 2nd floor of Terminal 21. Moo Chuu custom makes flip flops usually while you wait. You choose from an extensive selection of straps and soles in different types and colors. You can google the Moo Chuu website to see what I am talking about. I took a girl there and bought her a pair of flip flops. She loved the store and enjoyed making her own design.Thank you Allover for the information on where you can buy flip flops or even have them custom made. I only wear flip flops when: I am on the beach, near the pool, or in a public shower.


I stopped wearing flip flops in Thailand after I saw some Thai Guy on Rama 4 after a motorcycle accident with his foot split right down the middle to his ankle. Then there was the girl in Cambodia I saw about six years ago With her foot rotting from a simple wound. Closed toe sandals Are one less way To ruin Your time here.It begs the question, your time where? Cambodia or Thailand?


In the the meantime he can't figure out where or how to buy a pair of shoes.Actually I have two ways of buying shoes. 1. Ask ATF to do it for me. 2. Goto Mikes Mall. If you use the Beach road entrance right after you enter the malll, make a right and you will find a lovely shop with a large number of name brand athletic shoes among others.

I have a foot condition from birth. My podiatrist has advised me to continue to wear sturdy athletic shoes. My preference is New Balance and he agrees it is a good choice. But since I have been here (Pattaya) I have also found that the Baoji Brand here in Thailand to be of high quality and at a better price point.

This lower price point allows me to continue to sponsor my girls that do not have husbands or boyfriends. I would never sponsor a girl with a husband or a boyfriend. Of course I do not have access to Jedi Mind Tricks or Vulcan Mind Melds in order to determine if they are lying too me. So I guess I will just continue to make newbie mistakes while living the good life sipping my Sangsom and soda.

It should be noted that I have one additional way to buy shoes provided by Allover. At this rate I actually might actually learn enough to have people stop calling me a newbie and be able to provide my own useful information for others. ROTFLMAO!


I don't have any doubts that SubCmdr has been to ThailandInterestingly enough, I took Allover's information and used it for my benefit. So I have to give the (compound profanity redacted) his due.

My gik was so excited about our trip to Moo Chuu. She had a tough time deciding which style to choose and so because I am a straight baller and shot caller I told her to get two pairs. She was happy with the initial design and changed out of her pair that she wore into the mall to wear one of the pairs I bought her out of the mall. It cost me 550 Baht. That should be doable for even those experiencing severe resource scarcity. It is not like you have to compete with Koreans. The price are fixed for everyone. As they say, a picture is worth 1000 words. LOL!

I goto work!

[Explorer8939]

I don't run into ladies that are bad at sex in Thailand, if they are inexperienced and don't do much, they usually are young.

But many ladies are one trick ponies, they just have one technique for ST, so if you see them again, it's going to be the same thing again.

For most bar girls, my goal is to cum quickly, so I let them do their thing, if I don't have to think about what to do, I can focus on finishing quickly. There are just a handful of ladies who want to cum and need more time.

I have one massage lady who always does the same massage lady routine. Quick BJ, get on top, and I finish quickly. And then she complains that I finish before she cums. What she wants is doggy until she cums, that's my New Year's resolution.

[SubCmdr]

Someone gave me bad advice up in here not to buy a condo. I will not name names to protect the guilty. I looked at a condo in Central Pattaya yesterday. The wanted to 2. 0 million THB I was informed today that a Chinese client offered 1. 9 million THB. The buyer accepted it.

So, much for condos being bad investments in Pattaya.

Just another reason why I don't accept financial nor tax advice from International Tricks. Along with the fact that most of you don't know nothing about International Tricking either and certainly nothing about stacking your flow and then Ballin Out with it.

Turn up for what?

[Explorer8939]

Someone gave me bad advice up in here not to buy a condo. I will not name names to protect the guilty. I looked at a condo in Central Pattaya yesterday. The wanted to 2. 0 million THB I was informed today that a Chinese client offered 1. 9 million THB. The buyer accepted it.

So, much for condos being bad investments in Pattaya.

Just another reason why I don't accept financial nor tax advice from International Tricks. Along with the fact that most of you don't know nothing about International Tricking either and certainly nothing about stacking your flow and then Ballin Out with it.

Turn up for what?I didn't buy my condo for an investment, I bought it to avoid paying rent.

I will break even on my investment in a couple of years.

[SubCmdr]

I didn't buy my condo for an investment, I bought it to avoid paying rent.

I will break even on my investment in a couple of years.The absolutely best return of investment I have found is on Thai Style condos. That is 10 years. Farang style condo forgetboutit.

Maybe if you bought you condo 10 years ago or during COVID. Couple of years my ass!

Besides, in my opinion that is unintelligent reason to buy a condo. I can buy three condos for the cost of the one I am currently renting. Those three condos will provide twice as much rental income as I need to pay rent on the where I live.

Another reason I don't take financial (or tax advice) from International Tricks. Most of you don't know a thing about International Tricking or investing.

[TConor]

I didn't buy my condo for an investment, I bought it to avoid paying rent.

I will break even on my investment in a couple of years.I hope you can get your money out with these new tax laws.

[UglyAzzMan]

I didn't buy my condo for an investment, I bought it to avoid paying rent.

I will break even on my investment in a couple of years.No way break even in a couple of years. Closer to 20.

Prove me wrong by giving numbers.

Rent is so Cheap. Buying is Dumb unless you want to leave it to a Doi 6 girl.

[LittleBigMan]

I've never looked at buying property or a Condo as a real investment especially Pattaya, I used to keep track of property go around in town and Darkside whenever free to just check things out buy years now until recent just stop looking around.

I' also feel that prices are inflated tough I see some of these prices being asked with so much inventory available. I do understand buying just to avoid the rent I have no problem there. You can bargain believe it or not.

When I purchased my house, Darkside the asking price was 1. 9, the original bidder Thai couldn't come up with the final payment timing I offered 1. 8 cash sold. Years later the empty lot next to my house owner asking was 850,000 I offered 700,000 I would paid the transfer tax 30,000 baht. Sold.

My wife first car 650,000 baht 20 years ago, told they gave me all the accessories plus 1 year free insurance can't bargain, come 2018 I wanted to get a new truck, when to car show in Bangkok, several dealerships in Pattaya, price for model I wanted was 890,000 again everything thrown in not being in a hurry kept looking and trying. Bingo, one day dealer I waved him off told him lower 855,000 came back got her to write it down. The dealership was a bit far from my home so I took it to where I purchased 20 years ago wrote down 855,000 or do better Sold!

Condo small complex well run, saw an add for 999,000 on the Big see extra board noticed there were addition ads with the same phone number indicating it was might be an Thai agent? I got the location went down to complex noticed for rent and sale signs on many of the balconies. When in lobby ask could I see some of the rental units basically 28-32 studios, I ask during showing any of the units are for sale I get the head toe treatment LOL, I offer the unit I like end unit 800,000 baht split half half the transfer tax purchased from a Thai building 51% ownership put it under my wife and son name. My thought was if anything ever happened with my marriage this was where I was going to live and die LOL.

You can and should bargain no harm in asking.

[LittleBigMan]

When it comes to taxes even I would admit no one has a clue as to what will happened. As far as I know the revenue department is still waving expat off when trying to apply for a I. The. Neither has indication discussion as to how and where been started or finalized to overturn many of the Duel Tax Treaty which there are estimated 60 or so country that have them but the key is there are like 8-10 countries USA Being one of them within the Duel Tax Treaty a clause " Saving " that doesn't allow for duel taxation including capital gains if already tax and paid in the USA.

In my research and attending some expat meeting there are two forms that applies to expats Form 90 and 91,91 is for personal income brought into the Thailand, the other 90 is a bit more extensive really for those who work and earn here.

What will happen no one really knows but if one has to be force the forms listed above are the two.

[EihTooms]

When it comes to taxes even I would admit no one has a clue as to what will happened. As far as I know the revenue department is still waving expat off when trying to apply for a I. The. Neither has indication discussion as to how and where been started or finalized to overturn many of the Duel Tax Treaty which there are estimated 60 or so country that have them but the key is there are like 8-10 countries USA Being one of them within the Duel Tax Treaty a clause " Saving " that doesn't allow for duel taxation including capital gains if already tax and paid in the USA.

In my research and attending some expat meeting there are two forms that applies to expats Form 90 and 91,91 is for personal income brought into the Thailand, the other 90 is a bit more extensive really for those who work and earn here.

What will happen no one really knows but if one has to be force the forms listed above are the two.This is the latest I have heard about it as of mid December 2024:

https://youtu.be/hFDsOLBtH-8?si=fnnHK1IxMygUe1tn

But only time will tell.

[Paolo99]

Someone gave me bad advice up in here not to buy a condo. I will not name names to protect the guilty. I looked at a condo in Central Pattaya yesterday. The wanted to 2. 0 million THB I was informed today that a Chinese client offered 1. 9 million THB. The buyer accepted it.

So, much for condos being bad investments in Pattaya.The fact someone offered less than the promoted price and was accepted by the seller doesn't mean buying a condo in Pattaya is a good investment.

There are plenty of very cheap rooms to be rent around this town.

That guy gave you a good advice.

[Explorer8939]

I hope you can get your money out with these new tax laws.The new tax regulations don't impact money transferred out of Thailand.

[Explorer8939]

I've never looked at buying property or a Condo as a real investment especially Pattaya, I used to keep track of property go around in town and Darkside whenever free to just check things out buy years now until recent just stop looking around.

I' also feel that prices are inflated tough I see some of these prices being asked with so much inventory available. I do understand buying just to avoid the rent I have no problem there. You can bargain believe it or not.

When I purchased my house, Darkside the asking price was 1. 9, the original bidder Thai couldn't come up with the final payment timing I offered 1. 8 cash sold. Years later the empty lot next to my house owner asking was 850,000 I offered 700,000 I would paid the transfer tax 30,000 baht. Sold.

My wife first car 650,000 baht 20 years ago, told they gave me all the accessories plus 1 year free insurance can't bargain, come 2018 I wanted to get a new truck, when to car show in Bangkok, several dealerships in Pattaya, price for model I wanted was 890,000 again everything thrown in not being in a hurry kept looking and trying. Bingo, one day dealer I waved him off told him lower 855,000 came back got her to write it down. The dealership was a bit far from my home so I took it to where I purchased 20 years ago wrote down 855,000 or do better Sold!.One not: you don't own the property, your Thai wife does.

That must curtail your mongering in Pattaya.

[Explorer8939]

When it comes to taxes even I would admit no one has a clue as to what will happened. As far as I know the revenue department is still waving expat off when trying to apply for a I. The. Neither has indication discussion as to how and where been started or finalized to overturn many of the Duel Tax Treaty which there are estimated 60 or so country that have them but the key is there are like 8-10 countries USA Being one of them within the Duel Tax Treaty a clause " Saving " that doesn't allow for duel taxation including capital gains if already tax and paid in the USA.

In my research and attending some expat meeting there are two forms that applies to expats Form 90 and 91,91 is for personal income brought into the Thailand, the other 90 is a bit more extensive really for those who work and earn here.

What will happen no one really knows but if one has to be force the forms listed above are the two.No Thai tax regulations can supersede a DTA.

The problem is implementation. There was a Brit who posted that in order to get a credit for taxes paid in the UK, they needed the documents from Britain translated into Thai and certified in the UK.

My opinion is we get a lot of comments about Thai taxes, but few here have ever filed a Thai tax return, or ever will, unless Thailand enforced their tax laws. Which will come after they enforce the motorcycle helmet laws.

I know Thai bar girls with millions of baht in the bank. They don't pay taxes.

[LittleBigMan]

This is the latest I have heard about it as of mid December 2024:

https://youtu.be/hFDsOLBtH-8?si=fnnHK1IxMygUe1tn

But only time will tell.Yes agree, seen the video before it is the expat community that had set this on fired to spread.

I'm no spring chicken when I go to these expat meeting thank God not often. When open forum comes I leave you got all these retired expat room full of Joe Bidens LOL I've seen even myself get off track. Guys asking the same question over and over again afraid of their own shadow.

These Thai leaders come from the same school of stupidity they talk to stay relevant. They throw stuff out no clue to go about let hope this is one of them. LOL.

[Explorer8939]

Yes agree, seen the video before it is the expat community that had set this on fired to spread.

I'm no spring chicken when I go to these expat meeting thank God not often. When open forum comes I leave you got all these retired expat room full of Joe Bidens LOL I've seen even myself get off track. Guys asking the same question over and over again afraid of their own shadow.

These Thai leaders come from the same school of stupidity they talk to stay relevant. They throw stuff out no clue to go about let hope this is one of them. LOL.The question is how many ExPats are going to file a Thai tax return for the first time in 2025.

[PilotPete]

I am a financially fortunate, 70 yo, Caucasian American Widower, who only speaks English. The dream is to find a GF's where the relationship is good on both sides of a closed door. Intelligent, NSA & English speakers are ideal. I don't expect this to be inexpensive. How / Where to find? All intel is most welcome.

[Mr Enternational]

I am a financially fortunate, 70 yo, Caucasian American Widower, who only speaks English. The dream is to find a GF's where the relationship is good on both sides of a closed door. Intelligent, NSA & English speakers are ideal. I don't expect this to be inexpensive. How / Where to find? All intel is most welcome.If you are looking for a girlfriend it will not be expensive. If you are looking for a hooker to be your girlfriend, it will be expensive. Where to find? Anywhere that there are people. Just start a conversation.

[Allover]

Someone gave me bad advice up in here not to buy a condo. I will not name names to protect the guilty. I looked at a condo in Central Pattaya yesterday. The wanted to 2. 0 million THB I was informed today that a Chinese client offered 1. 9 million THB. The buyer accepted it.

So, much for condos being bad investments in Pattaya.

Just another reason why I don't accept financial nor tax advice from International Tricks. Along with the fact that most of you don't know nothing about International Tricking either and certainly nothing about stacking your flow and then Ballin Out with it.

Turn up for what?The Chinese buyer bought the condo at a discount. You would have probably had to pay more. This is even more proof that Koreans (and Chinese) are favored over Westerners. I wouldn't be surprised if the real estate agent was female and urged the seller to accept the Chinese buyer's bid due to her preference of Koreans and Chinese. Buying a condo is not simple like buying shoes. Be careful. It's not the goldmine you think it is.

[Allover]

I didn't buy my condo for an investment, I bought it to avoid paying rent.

I will break even on my investment in a couple of years.This makes sense. You realized some time ago you would be spending a lot of time there. You treat people with respect, follow Thai laws, and comply with tax laws as needed. You are not in danger of being deported as some foolish westerners seem to be.

[SubCmdr]

So, much for condos being bad investments in Pattaya.Let's start with a very basic concept. Your personal residence is not a investment. A investment pays you money and liability causes you to pay out money. Already I see that a certain International Trick does not even understand the most basic concept of wealth generation. Buy assets not liabilities until you own enough assets to generate the income to pay for the things you wish to consume.


Just another reason why I don't accept financial nor tax advice from International Tricks. Along with the fact that most of you don't know nothing about International Tricking either and certainly nothing about stacking your flow and then Ballin Out with it.


The fact someone offered less than the promoted price and was accepted by the seller doesn't mean buying a condo in Pattaya is a good investment.You have proffered nothing to indicate it was a bad investment. You spoke out of turn without having any of the details. Tell me how much time do you spend in Pattaya? Of that how much time to you take out of your International Tricking time to spend looking in the rental and purchase markets. Can you give me a specific example? If you cannot, then read following and learn.

The tools need to calculate if a real estate purchase is a good deal are learned in elementary school. It is basic arithmetic. The concept I use is: Cash on Cash return. If you are not familiar with it google it.

1,900,000 THB /120 month = 16,000 THB / month (rounded up).

If you can rent the unit for 16,000 THB / month that is a 10.1% Cash on Cash return. How much are you getting from a Treasury Bill these days?

After 120 months the rental income will have returned all your invested capital in the unit and from that point on your return is infinite because you have zero invested in it. We haven't even factored in potential capital appreciation of the 10 years it takes to break even cash wise.

The unit in question was 100 m2 double unit with two full bathrooms that could be rented as is. 10th Floor. Good view out over Soi Bon Cock. 16,000 THB of rent a month in the area and building I looked would have been stretching it. But given the size and uniqueness of there might have been a lot of appeal to a Farang in the right mindset.

The other major thing that mother fuckers who don't know shit about investing in real estate in Thailand (or another place in the world is) the Farang Name concept. Finding Thai style condos in Farang Name is not easy. I speak from experience. If anyone else would like to contradict me because they think it is easy I have got the first drink anywhere they choose so you can fill me in on your knowledge.


When Japanese and Korean guys are present, the rest of us have problems competing with them too. Appears there is more competition than just for pussy.

I would have required another 500,000 THB of renovations to bring it up to my personal Ballin standards. I only held back because I really did not want to live there. But the Chinese client snapped it up. Because indeed it was a good investment.


There are plenty of very cheap rooms to be rent around this town. Yes there are. But refer to the first paragraph for some perspective. If I buy a personal residence it is not an investment. It is a personal expense. If I am going to incur that expense I want to live where I want to live. I want a direct ocean view! In a new building with modern amenities. If you are actually in the market (as I am) you will find the projects that meet my requirement quite busy with projects. Deals are being made every day. Furthermore these projects are not for those experiencing resource scarcity. Starting at about 6,300,000 THB for my favorite unit.


That guy gave you a good advice. No he didn't!

[SubCmdr]

The Chinese buyer bought the condo at a discount. You would have probably had to pay more.The place has been on the market for months. I just decided to share my experience here. The offering price was initially 2,200,000 THB. I didn't even look at the place until the Real Estate agent told me that the sellers were willing to accept 2,000,000. LOL! That's how real estate investing works.


This is even more proof that Koreans (and Chinese) are favored over Westerners. I wouldn't be surprised if the real estate agent was female and urged the seller to accept the Chinese buyer's bid due to her preference of Koreans and Chinese.You assume the The Chinese buyer is real. And that the real estate agent was not giving me an opportunity to start a bidding war for the property. LOL! Been in the market for real estate in Thailand (and probably the rest of the world) for much longer than you have been. Makes no sense otherwise. She had a sale in hand and knew I was on the fence. Oldest trick in the book. You see my man I didn't even make an offer. Shows you how much you know (which is not much).


Buying a condo is not simple like buying shoes. Be careful. It's not the goldmine you think it is.I refer you to a previous post where I explained the basic investment calculations of purchasing a condo for investment in Thailand, specifically Pattaya. I speak from experience. LOL! Not guessing as others are.

I treat people with respect that deserve it. I follow all laws here in Thailand. I am in no danger of being departed despite what you may think. Besides what do you know about Thai Immigration law. Do you hold anything other than the permission a tourist received when they arrive and Thailand during their visits.

Why is it that on something as simple as buying a condo I still have critics? It is not what I am doing that people have a problem with. It is who is doing it.

[SubCmdr]

Don't listen to individuals here. Especially me. LOL!

Find a girl over 30 that has been through the struggle. Start in Cockbang. You want an educated girl, that has a regular job. You want to learn Thai. Establish a social circle. Take your time. It will take you getting involved with 100's of girls if you are just looking for one. Might a suggest a 6 girl harem. With one as your bottom ***** to keep the rest of them in line. If six is too much at least three. You can live with them. But make sure YOU own your own place or the place is rented in your name. But before you have girl move in with you. Seek out competent legal counsel about your potential domestic situation.

Ignore the idea that a girlfriend is free. That is an idea proffered by those experiencing resource scarcity. There are a lot of posters that fit that category in Thailand forums. That being said, Thailand is a society built on transactional relationships. You are not going to get girl 40 years you junior because of your physical characteristics. If you understand the nature of this society and leave your western ideas in the airport you will be departing from you will be good once you arrive here.

All the unsolicited advice I have received here in the Thailand Threads has proven to be bad advice. From Tax Advice, Investment Advice or Relationship Advice. You do not want to be taking relationship advice from International Tricks. Check out the first response given to you. Ask the OP if he has a Thai Girlfriend.


I am a financially fortunate, 70 yo, Caucasian American Widower, who only speaks English. The dream is to find a GF's where the relationship is good on both sides of a closed door. Intelligent, NSA & English speakers are ideal. I don't expect this to be inexpensive. How / Where to find? All intel is most welcome.In my opinion, this is the wrong place to look for relationship advice.

[AggieDad1]

I am a financially fortunate, 70 yo, Caucasian American Widower, who only speaks English. The dream is to find a GF's where the relationship is good on both sides of a closed door. Intelligent, NSA & English speakers are ideal. I don't expect this to be inexpensive. How / Where to find? All intel is most welcome.As Mr. E said finding a girlfriend will not be hard. I am a 69 year old American and I had no problem finding a girlfriend. I would suggest looking in places like Hua Hin or similar places. Places with high tourist traffic are where you are more likely to find an English speaking girlfriend. I would suggest trying out different places a week or too at a time. Make friends with expats and their wives and girlfriends can introduce you to prospects. A word of caution, avoid expats who sit in bars all day. The golf course is a good way to make friends.

[Explorer8939]

I am a financially fortunate, 70 yo, Caucasian American Widower, who only speaks English. The dream is to find a GF's where the relationship is good on both sides of a closed door. Intelligent, NSA & English speakers are ideal. I don't expect this to be inexpensive. How / Where to find? All intel is most welcome.A word of caution:

Thai bar girls are among the most devious in the world when it comes to impoverishing foreign men. It is tragically common that foreign men will find themselves dead broke in Pattaya, and choose to jump off a balcony.

You should decide how much money you are willing to flush down toilet in the process of obtaining a Thai lady, and fence off the rest of your stash.

Whatever you do, don't put your new sweetheart in your will.

I've never been taken by a Thai lady for anything significant, but I know ladies who are serial bankrupters of foreigners. Since karma is real, most of the ladies get taken by Thai men (their money gets taken), so the ladies are forced to continue looking for new victims.

[LittleBigMan]

The question is how many ExPats are going to file a Thai tax return for the first time in 2025.There will be enough to make things interesting.

Although there is a law I seriously like most things anyone is checking! Condos must be 51/49 majority owned by Thais. In theory even Chinese, Korean can only buy into foreign ownership 49, I cannot confirm whether either party selling aren't willing to provide a discount from my experience.

In the Bang Na area Ive been in buildings that seem it is all owned by Chinese, even designs looks Chinese and are run like Hotels.

[AggieDad1]

There will be enough to make things interesting.

Although there is a law I seriously like most things anyone is checking! Condos must be 51/49 majority owned by Thais. In theory even Chinese, Korean can only buy into foreign ownership 49, I cannot confirm whether either party selling aren't willing to provide a discount from my experience.

In the Bang Na area Ive been in buildings that seem it is all owned by Chinese, even designs looks Chinese and are run like Hotels.Saw this video recently.

https://youtu.be/si0abvTL0-U

Apparently Thai companies have been fronting for Chinese, probably Koreans too.

[UglyAzzMan]

If you are looking for a girlfriend it will not be expensive. If you are looking for a hooker to be your girlfriend, it will be expensive. Where to find? Anywhere that there are people. Just start a conversation.Age appropriate GF will be food only. Hahaha. Hahaha.

[Explorer8939]

There will be enough to make things interesting.

Although there is a law I seriously like most things anyone is checking! Condos must be 51/49 majority owned by Thais. In theory even Chinese, Korean can only buy into foreign ownership 49, I cannot confirm whether either party selling aren't willing to provide a discount from my experience.

In the Bang Na area Ive been in buildings that seem it is all owned by Chinese, even designs looks Chinese and are run like Hotels.That is the law, but anyone with money can get around it.

When a condo is built, typically 51% of the units are owned by a Thai company. The rest are sold to foreigners.

It's common for the 51% of the units to remain unfinished, unless a Thai citizen buys one. That's one of the reason you see so many empty condo buildings at night.

[Explorer8939]

The Chinese buyer bought the condo at a discount. You would have probably had to pay more. This is even more proof that Koreans (and Chinese) are favored over Westerners. I wouldn't be surprised if the real estate agent was female and urged the seller to accept the Chinese buyer's bid due to her preference of Koreans and Chinese. Buying a condo is not simple like buying shoes. Be careful. It's not the goldmine you think it is.Thai people are generally not fond of Chinese.

Japanese and Koreans are a different story.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I am a financially fortunate, 70 yo, Caucasian American Widower, who only speaks English. The dream is to find a GF's where the relationship is good on both sides of a closed door. Intelligent, NSA & English speakers are ideal. I don't expect this to be inexpensive. How / Where to find? All intel is most welcome.You won't have any trouble finding your choice of lovely companions. And you don't need to go to Hua Hin, as someone else suggested. If you're not in country yet, or even if you are, you can start by talking to the ladies on thaiflirting.com and thaifriendly.com . Also, there are many groups on Facebook that exist solely for the purpose of pairing up Thai ladies with Western gentlemen. Good luck!

[SubCmdr]

As Mr. E said finding a girlfriend will not be hard. I make it a point to pay much attention to anything he says.


I am a 69 year old American and I had no problem finding a girlfriend. I would suggest looking in places like Hua Hin or similar places. Places with high tourist traffic are where you are more likely to find an English speaking girlfriend. I would suggest trying out different places a week or too at a time. Make friends with expats and their wives and girlfriends can introduce you to prospects.I would like to you review the relationship advice that I have received in these threads and tell me if any of it has been relevant in your experiences.


A word of caution, avoid expats who sit in bars all day.If you don't sit in bar with them that is pretty easy todo. I find that the expats from my country of origin are mostly old, fat, ugly, dress poorly and have bad attitudes. Many of them post in these threads. I don't have to name names cause they are easy to identify.


The golf course is a good way to make friends.Yep, I've heard about the caddies. LOL!


Sorry, your ex-bargirl is different. Your posts about common experiences in Pattaya are a bit comical, since you act as if they are special.

Even "civvie" women in Pattaya often go with customers, either by working a shift on Beach Road or just nabbing a customer at their shop. One reason why Pattaya is monger heaven.


If you found out your kik had a Thai man, you would have a sad. You are doing what many Farangs do in Pattaya. Find a bargirl who is "different". Good luck with that.


Stub after you get settled in you will find many kiks are ex-bar girls. She probably got kicked out for being too ugly and not making any money. Or for stealing from customers. If not that she's an ex-Beach Road girl which you are so attracted to.


When deported your three acquaintances from this board won't be able to help you. The manager at the GC club will finish your bottle with your kik before he takes her upstairs, licks her pussy, and bangs the hell out of her.


LOL, boy, I took you off ignore when I found out you had a hooker girlfriend. She's different. Yeah, she was gobbling spooge from random dudes for 10 baht a pecker behind the palm tree near the sewer at the coconut bar, but it's not like that with me. We have a deep connection.


I guess by putting MessBoy on ignore, I miss the good stuff and thanks for alerting me that he has a "gik" in Pattaya, Now he has sunk to the level of defending some Thai hookers honour.

Anyway, its amazing to me that the international trick, the world famous big black dick (translation: I'm sad, weak, uneducated, obnoxious and a biatch so I will use racist tropes about black mens penii to make you think I am a man) has fallen in love with a GILF from the BJ bars or as is highly likely, a hag from Beach Road who was found one time unconscious on her face with a rubber hanging out of her ass and a fistfull of rupees. Love is in the air.

But what's he going to do when he continues his International Trick Lifestyle and leaves his beloved? Send her $$ while she she peddles her ass to all and sundry at her bargain rate? Has he, the worlds greatest professional trick fallen in love?

How about it you two bit uneducated ghetto thug. Going to defend the honour of your girl? Call me out? Tell me to come visit you at some bar in Pattaya? You going to be there when we show up, or are you just the chickensh*t little biatch we all know you are.Now ask yourself again, are these the people you wish to seek relationship advice from? It should be noted that I have not asked for Relationship Advice, Tax Advice, nor Financial Advice from anyone in these forums.

Why? Cause I know how to stack my flow! Fuck my ***** (no, she is not sitting on my face)! And seek out competent tax advice!.

[Mr Enternational]

Buying a condo is not simple like buying shoes. Be careful. It's not the goldmine you think it is.Especially if they come along and build something else right in front of your view. Or like in my buddy's case, a Russian disco moves in next door. Then you can read about folks in houses whose neighbors have dogs that bark all night.

[Paolo99]

You have proffered nothing to indicate it was a bad investment. You spoke out of turn without having any of the details. Tell me how much time do you spend in Pattaya? Of that how much time to you take out of your International Tricking time to spend looking in the rental and purchase markets. Can you give me a specific example? If you cannot, then read following and learn.

The tools need to calculate if a real estate purchase is a good deal are learned in elementary school. It is basic arithmetic. The concept I use is: Cash on Cash return. If you are not familiar with it google it.

1,900,000 THB /120 month = 16,000 THB / month (rounded up).

If you can rent the unit for 16,000 THB / month that is a 10.1% Cash on Cash return. How much are you getting from a Treasury Bill these days?

After 120 months the rental income will have returned all your invested capital in the unit and from that point on your return is infinite because you have zero invested in it. We haven't even factored in potential capital appreciation of the 10 years it takes to break even cash wise.

The unit in question was 100 m2 double unit with two full bathrooms that could be rented as is. 10th Floor. Good view out over Soi Bon Cock. 16,000 THB of rent a month in the area and building I looked would have been stretching it. But given the size and uniqueness of there might have been a lot of appeal to a Farang in the right mindset.That's one way to look at it.

If you're thinking that your unit will be rent every month for 10 years, I'd rather call this wishful thinking. And you didn't count all the expenses you'll going to have during these 10 years on top of the initial 500000 you said you were planning to spend to refurbish the place.

In any case, nobody is giving you an advice as nobody has any information on your situation.

People are telling you to be cautious with these kind of investment, and what they are saying does not sound silly.

People looking for a place to stay on long term in Pattaya can easily find a good place for under 8000 baht (all included), which is half the price you used in your explanation.

Besides, if you were really cashing in as much as you're saying, you wouldn't be looking for such investments. Just saying.

[PilotPete]

Age appropriate GF will be food only. Hahaha. Hahaha.Are you saying "age appropriate" women are not eager sex partners in Thailand? That issue is a critical so intel is most welcome.

I can, and am willing to, provide financially for decent living & travel, but am seeking an English speaking, compliant & sex positive GF with excellent & eager oral skills, committed to making life comfortable for us as a homemaker. NOT seeking a tute, ex bar girl. I'm a well dressed average looking gentleman, never abusive or unkind, but am firm on keeping to agreements. I'm working with SKI money (Spending Kids Inheritance) so can afford high end. But I have been around. I have seen & am wary.

Having just been widowed it will be awhile before I"m ready but I will be ready within 12 months. Your help is truly appreciated.

[TConor]

That's one way to look at it.

If you're thinking that your unit will be rent every month for 10 years, I'd rather call this wishful thinking. And you didn't count all the expenses you'll going to have during these 10 years on top of the initial 500000 you said you were planning to spend to refurbish the place.

In any case, nobody is giving you an advice as nobody has any information on your situation.

People are telling you to be cautious with these kind of investment, and what they are saying does not sound silly.

People looking for a place to stay on long term in Pattaya can easily find a good place for under 8000 baht (all included), which is half the price you used in your explanation.

Besides, if you were really cashing in as much as you're saying, you wouldn't be looking for such investments. Just saying.You have not factored in your Thai taxes, and boy, will you have a paper trail with having to report renters' information to immigration. You'the be paying at least 25% not counting any money brought over. And maintenance? Of course, for 10 years that would be a tidy sum.

[Explorer8939]

Are you saying "age appropriate" women are not eager sex partners in Thailand? That issue is a critical so intel is most welcome.

I can, and am willing to, provide financially for decent living & travel, but am seeking an English speaking, compliant & sex positive GF with excellent & eager oral skills, committed to making life comfortable for us as a homemaker. NOT seeking a tute, ex bar girl. I'm a well dressed average looking gentleman, never abusive or unkind, but am firm on keeping to agreements. I'm working with SKI money (Spending Kids Inheritance) so can afford high end. But I have been around. I have seen & am wary.

Having just been widowed it will be awhile before I"m ready but I will be ready within 12 months. Your help is truly appreciated.You really don't know what you are getting into.

If you ever go to the Darkside in east Pattaya, the number of bars there is striking, given that tourists never go there unless they are lost. So why so many bars, if only ExPats are potential customers? Because so many lonely guys come to Thailand to find a wife or GF, run into a lady who provides amazing sex, settle down into a committed relationship, and then the Thai lady announces she cannot have sex anymore. So, the lonely guy goes to a local bar and strikes up a relationship with a bargirl. Good for the wife / GF, since when he is gone, she can play with her Thai man.

It's a trap!

[Explorer8939]

The discussion about buying a condo as a rental investment is theoretical, since pitfalls of that business are many.

I bought a condo in Pattaya as a place to live, nothing more.

[Nyezhov]

Are you saying "age appropriate" women are not eager sex partners in Thailand? That issue is a critical so intel is most welcome.

I can, and am willing to, provide financially for decent living & travel, but am seeking an English speaking, compliant & sex positive GF with excellent & eager oral skills, committed to making life comfortable for us as a homemaker. NOT seeking a tute, ex bar girl. I'm a well dressed average looking gentleman, never abusive or unkind, but am firm on keeping to agreements. I'm working with SKI money (Spending Kids Inheritance) so can afford high end. But I have been around. I have seen & am wary.

Having just been widowed it will be awhile before I"m ready but I will be ready within 12 months. Your help is truly appreciated.My problem with girlfriends is a shallow one. I'm almost 70 and will not, under any circumstances, blast my loathsome spew of reproduction into any girl older than 30, and she better look younger. I'm not going to live with someone that young tho.

So I shall, *sobsob* remain, alone.

[Mr Enternational]

And you didn't count all the expenses you'll going to have during these 10 years on top of the initial 500000 you said you were planning to spend to refurbish the place.My buddy's association fee is $2000 per year, which is more than my rent.

[Explorer8939]

https://thepattayanews.com/2024/12/12/pattaya-karaoke-bar-raid-uncovers-underage-patrons-illegal-workers-and-drug-use/

This is a news item for those who don't know what bargirls in Pattaya do when they get off work. The context is that there is a surplus of young women in Pattaya, so young Thai men are a scarce and valuable commodity. So, bargirls often go to host bars like these when their bars close, where they buy drinks for young Thai men, and go home with them after business hours (usually 7 am).

In the news story, 4 bars were raided, but there are dozens in Pattaya. When the story mentions "customers", they are referring to women.

Don't get me started on tomboy bars.

My point is that there are not many horny bargirls. Even after a Soi 6 girls fucks a handful of customers, she will take her money to a host bar after work and blow it on a Thai man.

[Explorer8939]

My buddy's association fee is $2000 per year, which is more than my rent.Does your 5000 baht a month room have aircon?

[Explorer8939]

I saw this on Facebook: wages for Walking Street bar girls, for one bar.

[MrHappyKat]

I saw this on Facebook: wages for Walking Street bar girls, for one bar.Trying to find some definition of the various terms for types of bar girls, but can't really find anything specific. Can someone tell me what these mean? Is there some objective criteria like age, looks, or expected quality of service?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Coyote.

Model.

Super Model or Show Model.

PR.

[Mr Enternational]

Does your 5000 baht a month room have aircon?Yep. And during covid I built myself a kitchen. I am the only one that my landlord lets use gas. Everyone else can only use an electric hot plate.

[Mr Enternational]

I saw this on Facebook: wages for Walking Street bar girls, for one bar.Wait a minute. Didn't the coyote used to be the highest level? Now it is the lowest?

[SubCmdr]

I am uncertain how a condo that is on a upper floor is affected by street noise. There are noise ordinances that can be enforced if complaints are made to the proper authorities.

If some one is buying a condo and they are paying for view and they do not perform their due diligence adequately. If they do not exam the position of the building they are buying into on the property and its relationship to other properties, then they deserve to take the hit on value and lose their capital.

We all pays our money and we takes our chances. If you are not prepared to take the risk then you will never receive any gains. Scared money dont make no money. That is a poverty mentality that I see projected in many posts in these threads. No wonder there are so many people don't have any flow to stack and therefore cannot ball out when they are International Tricking. I am not one of those people.

How does Farang buy a house that have neighbors who have dogs that bark all night? Farangs cannot own land in Thailand! FACT!

Anyone who questions my stack just needs to show up. But your cheap ass is buying a bottle and at least 6 Lady Drinks for the girl you choose to accompany you. Because the girls know that is how I roll. Holla!

If you cannot run with the big dogs, stay on the (compound profanity redacted) porch!

[Explorer8939]

I found the winner for the stupidest monger award.

Some loser fell in love with a bar girl, and wanted to marry her. The problem was she had a Thai husband. So he offered to give her 10 million baht to divorce her husband. She accepted and left the bar to go back to Isaan. He sent her the 10 million.

She never came back.

[Paolo99]

I found the winner for the stupidest monger award.

Some loser fell in love with a bar girl, and wanted to marry her. The problem was she had a Thai husband. So he offered to give her 10 million baht to divorce her husband. She accepted and left the bar to go back to Isaan. He sent her the 10 million.

She never came back.Look at this one, "Lady stop work".

They've created a new line in their business model of assholes who are here "to sell drinks."

[Allover]

I found the winner for the stupidest monger award.

Some loser fell in love with a bar girl, and wanted to marry her. The problem was she had a Thai husband. So he offered to give her 10 million baht to divorce her husband. She accepted and left the bar to go back to Isaan. He sent her the 10 million.

She never came back.It wouldn't surprise if she didn't even have a husband.

[Explorer8939]

Look at this one, "Lady stop work".

They've created a new line in their business model of assholes who are here "to sell drinks."That's the usual buyout of a lady's contract, so she can go on an extended LT with a customer, and still get her job back when the customer goes home. It used to be about 10 K.

Of course, when a lonely guy wants his sweetie to go back to the village right now, she will hit him up for buyout of her contract.

[Explorer8939]

It wouldn't surprise if she didn't even have a husband.The husband is very real. And they are legally married.

The lady in question went to Macau with me last year. She told her idiot customer and her husband that she was traveling with another bar girl. So, whenever she talked with them, she went down to the lobby and claimed there was no WiFi in the room.

She has had a series of serious medical problems recently, with her idiot customer paying the bills. That probably means that her work career is over.

Bottom line: there is no gratitude among bar girls for the idiots who give them money for nothing.

[SubCmdr]

And maintenance? Of course, for 10 years that would be a tidy sum.How much is that exactly? How much is a tidy sum for you? Because I know there be some brokies posting up in here talking mess about the amount of money I spend up in the club. They ain't got the flow to create a stack to be a real estate investor. Do you?

I don't need the answer that question because my friend who ACTUALLY owns rental real estate in Thailand has shared with me his average cost of maintenance and expenses. I have the number. If you are really interested knowing instead of just typing on your keyboard about something you actually know nothing about but just want to Lounge and Chat about it. Send me a PM.

Are there any ACTUAL real estate investors giving advice on investing in real estate in Thailand posting up in here?

Anyone who has skills like that investing in real estate in Thailand I want to meet you. I got the first bottle of your favorite beverage in my current favorite spot.

Because I am not interested in advice from International Tricks with no financial literacy and a poverty mentality. I only learn from teachers who know how do do what they are teaching.

Example: My Flight Instructors. They actually knew how to fly. They did not just talk to me about it. The showed me how to do it. Sat next to me while I did it. Took on the risk while I learned what I was doing. Up in the mother fucking air with me. Calmly stating: I have the controls and me replaying You have the controls when I was fucking up and was going to get us both killed. ROTFLMAO. So if you haven't done it then you are like Howard Cosell you never played the sport.

I dont hear nothing you have to say to me dog!

[EverythingThai]

Look at this one, "Lady stop work".

They've created a new line in their business model of assholes who are here "to sell drinks."Why do you care when a "bar" wants to sell drinks? Its a "bar". If you don't like it, go to a massage shop or call a freelancer.

[Paolo99]

Why do you care when a "bar" wants to sell drinks? Its a "bar". If you don't like it, go to a massage shop or call a freelancer.I don't, I'm making fun of the fools preaching these people are here to sell drinks.

Using your logic, why would I go in a massage shop to fuck a girl? It's a "massage shop". These people are in the business of giving a massage.

[Explorer8939]

I'm sorry, but business discussions about real estate in Pattaya are boring, especially if they are theoretical. I bought a condo to live in and to store my stuff when I travel. I used to rent before, and put my stuff in storage when I traveled, which was no fun.

As for discussions of making money, I started a company in my house in the US back in the day, and now it's a big company. So I don't work any more.

Or worry about buying condos to rent.

[TConor]

I don't, I'm making fun of the fools preaching these people are here to sell drinks.

Using your logic, why would I go in a massage shop to fuck a girl? It's a "massage shop". These people are in the business of giving a massage.Not necessarily so, I don't remember a lot anymore but I will always remember what a "Massause" said to me many years ago after so-so sex when I asked for my massage. She informed me that she was there to fuck not massage. True story.

[HorseTrader]

Not necessarily so, I don't remember a lot anymore but I will always remember what a "Massause" said to me many years ago after so-so sex when I asked for my massage. She informed me that she was there to fuck not massage. True story.Not a surprise. Less than a month ago I was coaxed into a massage shop and I asked for a foot massage. She refused and said she only does "special massage". All other forms of massage were not available at that shop.

[Mr Enternational]

Not a surprise. Less than a month ago I was coaxed into a massage shop and I asked for a foot massage. She refused and said she only does "special massage". All other forms of massage were not available at that shop.I got kicked out of the shop at the corner of Soi Buakhao and Soi Diana for the same thing. Well actually a normal massage was available, but they said it would have to be from one of the ladyboys. The ladies are only there to fuck.

[Explorer8939]

Not a surprise. Less than a month ago I was coaxed into a massage shop and I asked for a foot massage. She refused and said she only does "special massage". All other forms of massage were not available at that shop.That happens on Soi Honey. And Soi Chaiyapoon.

I don't remember any other areas in Pattaya where massage shops are "Special Only".

[Mr Enternational]

So, just licking their pussy doesn't do much for them, it might warm them up, but then they want bone on clit (real bone, not a dick), specifically, a pubic bone.My Brazilian girlfriend uses the knuckle at the base of her thumb and puts pressure and moves that hand back and forth with her other hand. I once dated another Brazilian girl who had to rub her clit hard on my knee. It is not bone on exposed clit, but bone just above that.

[Explorer8939]

A little history.

I was in Pattaya during the big lockdown, when the bars were closed. Most ladies went back to Isaan, but some bars kept their upstairs rooms open, and some ladies decided to stick it out in Pattaya, hoping the bars would re-open quickly. They didn't. So, the ladies spent their days in the room, very few shops were open, and there was nothing to do.

What was worse, once the ladies ran out of money, their Thai men disappeared. First, the money boys went home, and then the boyfriends disappeared, with just a few exceptions.

At this point, I was getting dozens of messages from ladies who needed money and wanted to come to my condo. Since I couldn't go anywhere, I decided to take one for the team, and invited ladies over. In shifts. So, it was 2 at 11 am, 2 at 4 pm, and one for the night. My rule was no fucking, since once I went down that road, I would die for sure. I would just fuck one lady, once in a while.

What was different was the ladies were really horny, since they didn't see men. Once they were drunk, they went out of control. I told them I wouldn't fuck, but they didn't believe me. And if there were multiple ladies, one would distract me while the other tried to climb onto my dick, that was an ongoing problem, since I was horny, I was just trying to control myself. I literally had to push ladies off my dick.

By nighttime, my drinking would catch up to me, and occasionally I would pass out. Since I was in my own condo, it was no big deal, but in the morning, I would wake up naked in bed with a lady next to me, wondering how I got there, and what did I do. Even when I wasn't passed out, the ladies spending the night (there was a curfew) mostly tried to fuck, but few succeeded.

The only ladies who weren't horny had boyfriends who stuck it out in Pattaya, they would play, but they were just working.

I got to the point where it was difficult to drink with ladies all day every day, and when Camel Toe re-opened in September 2021, it was great for me. The ladies all promised to keep coming, but within a few weeks, most had new Farang boyfriend customers, and many stopped messaging me. Camel Toe was jammed, because it could open as a restaurant, even when the bars were closed. I believe there was a period where there was no alcohol at Camel Toe, but the ladies all had a stash.

The lockdown slowly eased, more bars opened, and more tourists came to Pattaya, but it was a gradual process. The ladies were used to coming to the condo to drink, so for a long time, I had regular ladies coming over. Then I started traveling, and my adventures were over. I started having to schedule ladies, with the upside being no problem to fuck, since the numbers were way down.

[Explorer8939]

My Brazilian girlfriend uses the knuckle at the base of her thumb and puts pressure and moves that hand back and forth with her other hand. I once dated another Brazilian girl who had to rub her clit hard on my knee. It is not bone on exposed clit, but bone just above that.Yep. Pubic bone on pubic bone.

The problem comes when a lady is inexperienced, gets horny when her pussy is licked, and just wants the man to go harder. A lot harder.

Of course, the vast majority of bar girls will claim to finish in 3 minutes, so they can finish you and get back down to the bar.

[Explorer8939]

If you are listening to music with a bargirl, rule #1 is don't play dinosaur music. Bargirls hate classic rock, with few exceptions, and they also don't like Motown type music. In fact, apart from some classics like "Zombie", they zone out on most Western music.

What they do like is Thai music, particularly Isaan.

There's two major classifications of Isaan music. Molarm and Indy.

Molarm has a big stage with mass numbers of dancers. The band is mostly hidden, and there is typically a string of solo singers. The dancers are often ladyboys and gay boys. Lots of them.

Indy is more like Western rock, with a singer on a regular stage and a band. Strangely enough, the core Indy band is modeled after Santana in the early 1970's, and its not unusual to hear snippets of early Santana played by Indy bands. An Indy band might add a brass section and a couple of Thai instruments. The bands are typically competent, but nobody is great.

It's the singers that interest the bargirls. Right now, Lam Yai is number 1, with Mai Pacheree maybe number two, but Noot is rising fast. Nescafe was getting big, but she went to the monkeyhouse for a while. There's a boatload of others: Ann Oradee, NamKaeng, there are a few male singers, too.

Lately, Indy bands have been adding dancers. It starts with 2 female dancers, then 4, then they add men. Typically, the more dancers, the bigger the act.

There are also some big Thai acts, but they aren't so interesting for Isaan bargirls. The one act that has been around for a while is Bodyslam.

Anyway, the guys who have been around for a long time know this stuff, but this is useful for newbies, especially if you take a lady back to your hotel for LT. Best is to put on YouTube, and before you hit the bed, put on a live Lam Yai video, most go for more than an hour.

[BeachDrone]

I've read this forum for several years. There seems to be a difference in expectations that I do not quite understand. But I'm just a lame geriatic in Chiang Mai and according to some, don't know squat. Very likely, so I'm asking.

It seems to me that the general recommendation and behavior for bars is to go where the bars are, walk by them, stop in a few, maybe buy a lady a drink and chat, and if you connect with her, pay the bar fine and take her to your room for some fun. The interaction in the bar gives something of an idea whether the time spent together will be worthwhile.

For massage parlors, it seems that guys want to know exactly where to go and exactly who to see for a massage plus erotic fun. This is setting unrealistic expectations that are likely to not be met. Why should massage shops be approached differently than ladies in the bars?

I like walking down the streets where the massage shops are (in BKK and CNX, I have never been to Pattaya or Phuket), talk to the ladies, and if I get along with a lady, go in for a massage. The personal interaction gives me an idea whether the time we spend together will be worthwhile.

Just asking.

[Explorer8939]

https://aseannow.com/topic/1347277-pattaya-police-crack-down-on-beach-prostitution-arrest-20-foreign-women/

Pattaya Police Crack Down on Beach Prostitution, Arrest 20 Foreign Women.

"During initial questioning, all 20 women admitted to arriving in Pattaya to work as sex workers catering to foreign clients. Authorities charged them under Section 5 of the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, be. E. 2539 (1996), which prohibits public solicitation for prostitution in a manner deemed open, shameful, or disturbing to the public."

[Explorer8939]

I am out of Thailand for a couple of months, but some ladies send me messages to check on me, or ask when I am coming back.

One massage lady is coming on strong. I would normally not respond, but she gives a super prostate massage, so I don't want to lose her. She is fishing for a Farang boyfriend, but she doesn't know that I know she has a Thai husband.

[SubCmdr]

Do what I do and block the lunatic. I'm here in Pattaya and I have no time to read the postings of a guy in a basement half a world away.When are you leaving Pattaya and returning to sex prison in your country of origin? Do you actually live here?

No time to read my reports. But plenty of time to write your male bovine excrement about me. I respect that you are not taking your vacation time to read my posts. There is plenty of time. You can read them offline before you log in once you return to the sex prison of your country of origin. Nice report on Soi Bong Koch 8!

Apologies. I missed the part where you said you were a visitor. Enjoy your trip!

[Explorer8939]

The beauty of my response is that I am writing from Pattaya Enjoying Pattaya. Have been posted up in Pattaya for 18 months now. I find it interesting that people are still in denial about that. I was all over Pattaya all day yesterday. During my trip along Beach Road on the Baht Bus, the bars were packed. Now I don't know where the people hang out that are saying there are no tourists in Pattaya or that they are here but they are not visiting the venues. Because what I saw (with my own eyes) along Beach Road yesterday was completely contrary to what others are reporting.

Are you sure I am posting from a basement half a world away? Name where you want to meet in Pattaya and I will shatter your manufactured reality. I will be waiting for either the retraction of your lie here or a PM to set up a meeting (like a man) in order to change your perspective.Pattaya is surely jammed now. The ladies I know aren't posting on Facebook, which means they are busy.

Farang bar owners are always claiming that there are no customers, which I translate to mean that not every seat in their bar is filled. Having said that, probably 50% of Farang owned bars in Pattaya are not going to have many customers, regardless of High Season. Bars outside of tourist areas only have ExPat customers, for example.

As for SubCmdr, I have no doubt that he is in Pattaya, although his mongering reports are few and vague.

[Explorer8939]

It is common in Thai culture for women to give money to younger men.

Mothers are often supported by their daughters, but will give money to their sons. There is no age limit on the support. If an 80 year old mother has any cash, she will give it to her 50 year old son.

I know 40+ year old bar girls bringing their daughters to Pattaya to make enough money to support the mother.

If a bar girl has a younger Thai boyfriend in Pattaya, she will throw money him, same as if he were a son. Very common.

[SubCmdr]

If you are paying to put dick in a girl:

1. why do you care if she has a Thai Boyfriend, Thai Husband, Thai Girlfriend?

2. why do you care who she is supporting with the money you are paying her?

3. why do you care how much money she makes?

4. why do you care how many customers she has?

5. why do you care about the sexual practices she engages in when she is not in your presence?

6. why do you care about her other income sources (sponsors)?

When cones to paying a girl for sex:

7. Is the amount she charges related to her appearance.

8. Is it possible to pay her too much? If so, how is that determined?

9. Is it possible to pay her too little? If so, how is that determined?

10. Why do you worry about what others are paying?

11. Can the amount paid be related to she social / sexual services provided?

12. Is is possible that International Tricks place different values on the appearance and sexual services provided by a girl?

13. If those differences exist who makes that value judgment?

14. After that value judgment is made to others have the right to place their judgment on that persons decision?

[Sonic Bam]

This popped up on Youtube. Some good tips for first time travellers to BKK. https://youtu.be/D2A-Jf_u9V4?si=GPk4222Q2Ln_VbAu.

[Explorer8939]

The only issue concerning whether a bargirl has a boyfriend / husband is for Long Time. I get requests from ladies who want to go somewhere for a week. But if they have a boyfriend who they will miss very much if they are away. So, I take it slow, first see if they can do an allnighter, then 3 days or more. Right now, I have a lady who went for 6 days, no problem with her boyfriend, maybe she is good for more. Of course, when she comes home, she has to hand her earnings to him.

I have had 2 ladies who traveled with me who were incapacitated with grief over their boyfriends not being available.

[SubCmdr]

The only issue concerning whether a bargirl has a boyfriend / husband is for Long Time. I get requests from ladies who want to go somewhere for a week. But if they have a boyfriend who they will miss very much if they are away. So, I take it slow, first see if they can do an allnighter, then 3 days or more. Right now, I have a lady who went for 6 days, no problem with her boyfriend, maybe she is good for more. Of course, when she comes home, she has to hand her earnings to him.

I have had 2 ladies who traveled with me who were incapacitated with grief over their boyfriends not being available.Never had any of those problems. I have only done longtime twice in the 19 months I have been in Pattaya. The Pattaya I live in is completely different than the one you visit.

[MrHappyKat]

I've been using a Rose toy on all my Sugar Babies in the US (https://www.rosetoy-official.com/collections/rose-toys/products/1023340-silica-gel-rose-toy-red?spm=..collection_0ce37b8c-dede-42d2-9acb-89acf2f5f2eb.collection_detail_1.1&spm_prev=..order_verify.header_1.1).

They love it! Every one of them gets a big O within the first 7 minutes of application (tip: lube it up first).

What are the Thai rules for bringing one of these into the country?

Thanks for any help provided.

I'll be heading to Indonesia after Thailand, so if an of you can share the rules for there as well, I will greatly appreciate it.

[Explorer8939]

Never had any of those problems. I have only done longtime twice in the 19 months I have been in Pattaya. The Pattaya I live in is completely different than the one you visit.You are correct. For example, I see the ladies at my place, I rarely go to a bar, except maybe to pick up a lady. Very few times will I ring up a bar tab more than 3,000 baht, not counting the barfine. However, I may change that this year, so I get out more.

[Downandup]

I've been using a Rose toy on all my Sugar Babies in the US (https://www.rosetoy-official.com/collections/rose-toys/products/1023340-silica-gel-rose-toy-red?spm=..collection_0ce37b8c-dede-42d2-9acb-89acf2f5f2eb.collection_detail_1.1&spm_prev=..order_verify.header_1.1).

What are the Thai rules for bringing one of these into the country?
I've never had a problem at BKK although I don't know if it's allowed.

[SubCmdr]

I've never had a problem at BKK although I don't know if it's allowed.Well that is helpful. Maybe you never had any problems because you never brought anything that caused them to have problems. The question was very specific. Is that all you got for us.

I have only cleared customs in Thailand one time also. But I wasn't riding dirty!


They see me rollin' ;They hatin' ; Patrollin' and tryna catch me ridin' dirty ; Tryna catch me ridin' dirty

[Explorer8939]

I've never had a problem at BKK although I don't know if it's allowed.It's not legal in Thailand. Having said that, you can buy sex toys on the street in Thailand.

If you are bringing in one or two, and in the extremely rare chance that you are searched, they will confiscate your sex toys, and use them themselves.

[Explorer8939]

Lots of bargirls in Pattaya would like to travel, but their customers don't want to leave Pattaya (they paid big bucks to come on holiday, why should they pay money to leave Pattaya? As an ex-pat, I like to get out of Pattaya once in a while.

Thai bargirls will travel alone, to go work in other countries, but that doesn't really count. One lady worked in Tokyo, but she worked room, and never saw Tokyo, all she saw was her room, and going to and from the airport. So, she went with me to Tokyo last year, despite it being Winter.

One oddity is that bargirls will never travel with their Thai boyfriends anywhere except their village. One lady I know has had the same boyfriend for 6 years, never went anywhere except her village and Bang Saen (once). It is telling that bargirls rarely go their boyfriend's village, I will have to look into that.

[Nyezhov]

I've never had a problem at BKK although I don't know if it's allowed.I've never (knock on wood) been even looked at by Customs in Thailand. I have 7 entries in 2024 alone.

[UglyAzzMan]

Lots of bargirls in Pattaya would like to travel, but their customers don't want to leave Pattaya (they paid big bucks to come on holiday, why should they pay money to leave Pattaya? As an ex-pat, I like to get out of Pattaya once in a while.

Thai bargirls will travel alone, to go work in other countries, but that doesn't really count. One lady worked in Tokyo, but she worked room, and never saw Tokyo, all she saw was her room, and going to and from the airport. So, she went with me to Tokyo last year, despite it being Winter.

One oddity is that bargirls will never travel with their Thai boyfriends anywhere except their village. One lady I know has had the same boyfriend for 6 years, never went anywhere except her village and Bang Saen (once). It is telling that bargirls rarely go their boyfriend's village, I will have to look into that.Please look into that. Hahaha.

Not Nightwing Bar. A wheelchair dude tried to skip out on his bar tab. LOL. He couldn't get down the huge step so Mamasan caught him. She professional showed what he owed and he promptly paid.

The guy was Ballin, entertaining like 3 girls. He was old and Ugly. Must have great personality the girls Flocked to him.

[MrHappyKat]

It's not legal in Thailand. Having said that, you can buy sex toys on the street in Thailand.

If you are bringing in one or two, and in the extremely rare chance that you are searched, they will confiscate your sex toys, and use them themselves.As long as the biggest risk is confiscation, I guess I can try it. Although I did find "toy" stores in BKK and PTY through Google, I could not confirm that any of them had this product. I had the same issue with toy stores in Jakarta.

Of course it's not really critical to having fun. But if I meet a girl I want have stick around for a few days, using one of these on her may help keep her allowance ask reasonable. Back in the US, using these on my Sugar Babys has yielded some amazing rewards. Like bringing her friend to get a test drive.

[BionicMan]

I've been using a Rose toy on all my Sugar Babies in the US (https://www.rosetoy-official.com/collections/rose-toys/products/1023340-silica-gel-rose-toy-red?spm=..collection_0ce37b8c-dede-42d2-9acb-89acf2f5f2eb.collection_detail_1.1&spm_prev=..order_verify.header_1.1).

They love it! Every one of them gets a big O within the first 7 minutes of application (tip: lube it up first).

What are the Thai rules for bringing one of these into the country?

Thanks for any help provided.

I'll be heading to Indonesia after Thailand, so if an of you can share the rules for there as well, I will greatly appreciate it.Officially not allowed. But to catch you they need to see your suitcase at the X-ray machine at customs exit: next to zero chances they dontha5 other than some random check once in a while if they finished to talk amongst themselves on the last TV soap opera. Or if you look suspicious.

I had my suitcase at the X-ray with 6 bottles of wine in it and nobody cared.

[Mr Enternational]

But if I meet a girl I want have stick around for a few days, using one of these on her may help keep her allowance ask reasonable. Back in the US, using these on my Sugar Babys has yielded some amazing rewards. Like bringing her friend to get a test drive.Did you have to pay the friend? Because if it is the toy, seems like they could buy one themselves and not need you. You know those roses have been out for years and are very popular among women. You are talking like you have the only one in circulation.

[Explorer8939]

As long as the biggest risk is confiscation, I guess I can try it. Although I did find "toy" stores in BKK and PTY through Google, I could not confirm that any of them had this product. I had the same issue with toy stores in Jakarta.

Of course it's not really critical to having fun. But if I meet a girl I want have stick around for a few days, using one of these on her may help keep her allowance ask reasonable. Back in the US, using these on my Sugar Babys has yielded some amazing rewards. Like bringing her friend to get a test drive.Now for the bad news, which is a reality check: the vast majority of bar girls aren't interested in sex with strangers; in fact, for high volume ladies, sex is a big headache.

Having orgasms takes a toll on their ability to service multiple clients, so that's one problem, the other is they are programmed to only enjoy sex with their current honey.

Imagine you just had sex five times, and now another lady shows up and wants to see you cum. And that happens every day.

[MrHappyKat]

Did you have to pay the friend? Because if it is the toy, seems like they could buy one themselves and not need you. You know those roses have been out for years and are very popular among women. You are talking like you have the only one in circulation.I've banged enough of them in the Philippines, DR, Caribbean, South America, AUS, EU / FKK's, and strippers in the US to know they "care" about getting me off as soon as possible. That is the job. But I'm also going to be looking for non-pro (or UTR-pro) hook ups, mostly with Seeking. I've been doing that for over a decade and these girls appreciate an old guy who can bring them the multiple "O's" they never seem to get from the 20-30-ish local douchebag guys they meet around town.

And yes, the rose has been around for a while. Yet I still see lots of girls who don't have them. Plus, as good as these toys are when used solo, the feedback I get is that when applied by someone else it's an order of magnitude better. Could these girls be lying to me? Almost certainly! But I don't care as long as they meet my performance standards.

I'm not going to Thailand and Indonesia to "Dr. Ruth" these babes. I'm there to fuck.

[XXL]

Am I the only one noticing a drop in the already less than great quality of girls advertising themselves in TF? Last year there would still be a sprinkle of rare youngish doable girls among the fat & old. Or is it particularly bad only at this time of year?

[BeachDrone]

Am I the only one noticing a drop in the already less than great quality of girls advertising themselves in TF? Last year there would still be a sprinkle of rare youngish doable girls among the fat & old. Or is it particularly bad only at this time of year?I've been told that in Pattaya and Bangkok ThaiFriendly is 80-90% freelancers. I'm in Chiang Mai, and the numbers are reversed, 90% are looking for a serious, long-term relationship. I have given up on ThaiFriendly.

[SubCmdr]

I've been told that in Pattaya and Bangkok ThaiFriendly is 80-90% freelancers. .I am corroborating the information you have received when it comes to Pattaya.


I'm in Chiang Mai, and the numbers are reversed, 90% are looking for a serious, long-term relationship.For Pattaya the girls on Thai Friendly seeking serious, long-term relationships are 35+ and well past their prime. It makes me laugh. They been riding the dick merry-go-round for the last 10 - 15 years NOW they want to you to buy that nasty thing that has been run through. Fuck that! They should be renting it at a discount. LOL!


II have given up on ThaiFriendly.I understand why since you are in My Chang. But here in Pattaya Thai Friendly equals all the pussy between 1000 - 2000 that I care to rent for a short time, delivered to your door within the hour. LOL.

[Werqweq]

Am I the only one noticing a drop in the already less than great quality of girls advertising themselves in TF? Last year there would still be a sprinkle of rare youngish doable girls among the fat & old. Or is it particularly bad only at this time of year?Not noticed it myself, though I only browse for a couple of months per year. My search is the the 18-25 age bracket, and still see many good looking girls there, so wouldn't say they are rare. Not so many of them end up in my bed though.

Still the majority seems to be normal non-p4p girls, one of which just left some hours ago, a couple of teaspoons fuller than when she arrived last evening. Also many who don't bother responding to me, who I assume are also normal girls, but who think I'm too ugly or old for them. Probably right about that.

[Werqweq]

I've been told that in Pattaya and Bangkok ThaiFriendly is 80-90% freelancers. I'm in Chiang Mai, and the numbers are reversed, 90% are looking for a serious, long-term relationship. I have given up on ThaiFriendly.Don't know about Pattaya, but it's not like that in Bangkok.

90% of those saying they are looking for a long-term relationship only, no sex, blah-blah, are also down to meet for a cup of coffee or similar, more often than not ending up with their legs in the air on my bed later. Sometimes I've even showed them their own "no sex" profile on my phone while we're laying in bed after I've banged them, just for a laugh and to see them blush.

I ignore that LTR-only "warning" completely as it means nothing. It doesn't even mean she is not a freelancer who will tell you how much you need to pay during the first few messages exchanged.

Girls want to get laid too, and they're not wanting to go without sex for X years while waiting for Mr. LTR, who may or may not turn up.

[PilotPete]

I'm requesting your thoughts on how to have a 4. 5 star holiday in Thailand. Best girl friendly lodging (Marriot?) and best method for getting premium talent for LT stints. I know I will "overspend" but it's the experience I'm seeking and am lucky enough to afford it.

[Houston Player]

Am I the only one noticing a drop in the already less than great quality of girls advertising themselves in TF? Last year there would still be a sprinkle of rare youngish doable girls among the fat & old. Or is it particularly bad only at this time of year?I've been using Thaifriendly almost daily for the last 6 years and to me there is no change. There are short periods where what you describe happens, I. E. No new young girls for a week or 2 and then the next 2 weeks there will be a dozen new young pretty ones. No ryme or reason that I can find it's just timing and like I said I use it almost daily.

[Mr Enternational]

90% of those saying they are looking for a long-term relationship only, no sex, blah-blah, are also down to meet for a cup of coffee or similar, more often than not ending up with their legs in the air on my bed later. I agree. Who is letting what someone writes in a profile deter them. (Hell, who is even reading a profile for that matter.) I would have never fucked tons of married chicks if I was put off by the rings on their fingers.

My method is to hit a bunch of chicks up with the copy and paste and see who responds and is interested. I am not going to waste time trying to find out about someone that may not even respond.

[Werqweq]

I've banged enough of them in the Philippines, DR, Caribbean, South America, AUS, EU / FKK's, and strippers in the US to know they "care" about getting me off as soon as possible. That is the job. But I'm also going to be looking for non-pro (or UTR-pro) hook ups, mostly with Seeking. I've been doing that for over a decade and these girls appreciate an old guy who can bring them the multiple "O's" they never seem to get from the 20-30-ish local douchebag guys they meet around town.

And yes, the rose has been around for a while. Yet I still see lots of girls who don't have them. Plus, as good as these toys are when used solo, the feedback I get is that when applied by someone else it's an order of magnitude better. Could these girls be lying to me? Almost certainly! But I don't care as long as they meet my performance standards.

I'm not going to Thailand and Indonesia to "Dr. Ruth" these babes. I'm there to fuck.But did you have to pay the girl who wanted a test-drive?

[Mr Enternational]

But I'm also going to be looking for non-pro (or UTR-pro) hook ups, mostly with Seeking. I've been doing that for over a decade and these girls appreciate an old guy who can bring them the multiple "O's" they never seem to get from the 20-30-ish local douchebag guys they meet around town.I would agree to that with the caveat of the old guy not having to give them money. If money is required for the old guy to bring them the multiple O's, then it is safe to say they are not actually there for the O's. Something tells me they will take the money without the O's, but not take the O's without the money.

[Mr Enternational]

I'm requesting your thoughts on how to have a 4. 5 star holiday in Thailand. Best girl friendly lodging (Marriot?) and best method for getting premium talent for LT stints. I know I will "overspend" but it's the experience I'm seeking and am lucky enough to afford it.You keep asking the same questions in multiple threads. Do you actually plan to go anywhere, or are you just polling for fantasy sake?

[Passingthetime]

Planning a trip to Thailand to do a week of scuba diving and have some fun. What I hear is Pattaya has the fun but the Scuba is so-so and Phuket has the Scuba but the ladies are So-So. I am learning towards Phuket. Anyone have any advice for practical experience?

Passingthetime.

[Mr Enternational]

Planning a trip to Thailand to do a week of scuba diving and have some fun. What I hear is Pattaya has the fun but the Scuba is so-so and Phuket has the Scuba but the ladies are So-So. I am learning towards Phuket. Anyone have any advice for practical experience?If you want to dive, go to Koh Lipe or Koh Lanta. If you want to fuck, go to Pattaya. If you want to get ripped off, go to Phuket. But if you insist on Phuket, then there is another board member that has a shop there.

[PilotPete]

You keep asking the same questions in multiple threads. Do you actually plan to go anywhere, or are you just polling for fantasy sake?Fair Point. I have only been able to dream while caring for a loved one. My wife just passed and I am exploring destinations hoping some fun can offset gloom. I think it's down to Medellíand, Brazil, and Thailand. I am going but struggling to decide which to do first.

[Mr Enternational]

Fair Point. I have only been able to dream while caring for a loved one. My wife just passed and I am exploring destinations hoping some fun can offset gloom. I think it's down to Medelland, Brazil, and Thailand. I am going but struggling to decide which to do first.The best overall will be Pattaya. Then Rio. Then Medellin.

[Explorer8939]

Planning a trip to Thailand to do a week of scuba diving and have some fun. What I hear is Pattaya has the fun but the Scuba is so-so and Phuket has the Scuba but the ladies are So-So. I am learning towards Phuket. Anyone have any advice for practical experience?

Passingthetime.Long time poster ThaiGoodTimes here can tell you all about scuba in Phuket.

[Explorer8939]

I've banged enough of them in the Philippines, DR, Caribbean, South America, AUS, EU / FKK's, and strippers in the US to know they "care" about getting me off as soon as possible. That is the job. But I'm also going to be looking for non-pro (or UTR-pro) hook ups, mostly with Seeking. I've been doing that for over a decade and these girls appreciate an old guy who can bring them the multiple "O's" they never seem to get from the 20-30-ish local douchebag guys they meet around town.

And yes, the rose has been around for a while. Yet I still see lots of girls who don't have them. Plus, as good as these toys are when used solo, the feedback I get is that when applied by someone else it's an order of magnitude better. Could these girls be lying to me? Almost certainly! But I don't care as long as they meet my performance standards.

I'm not going to Thailand and Indonesia to "Dr. Ruth" these babes. I'm there to fuck.You don't seem to understand Thai women.

Most of what you call "non-pros" are actually ladies who happen not to be working bar at this moment in time, but have long careers working bar.

As for them wanting "O's", they are very happy getting off when their Thai man drills them. What they want from an old guys is that he finishes quickly. Women are different from men.

As for toys, what they really want is that you give them one so they can sell it to make some money to hand to their Thai man.

It's best to just enjoy the fucking and not to think you are doing them a big favor.

[Explorer8939]

I was introduced online to a Thai civvie lady by a mutual acquaintance from Chumphae who I did an overnighter with. The mutual acquaintance turned out to have an English boyfriend, so I stopped the relationship. The new lady and I made a plan for me to come up to Chumphae for an overnighter, but ultimately cancelled as *her* English boyfriend came for a visit.

Well, he's gone, and she is messaging me again.

My point is that you can have a civvie living in the village and think she is your girlfriend, when the reality is that she may have 10 guys she is talking to online, and she goes with them when they visit Thailand.

I'm not looking for a girlfriend, but I have one rule, I don't fuck a lady if I know she has a Farang boyfriend (because I might meet him someday and I don't to feel guilty).

[Axel Heyst]

Planning a trip to Thailand to do a week of scuba diving and have some fun. What I hear is Pattaya has the fun but the Scuba is so-so and Phuket has the Scuba but the ladies are So-So. I am learning towards Phuket. Anyone have any advice for practical experience?

Passingthetime.It is a tradeoff. Pat has a better & much larger girly scene than Phuket. If you are a monger and you have never been to Pat: GO! The 1st time you walk down Walking Street at around 9 pm, it will blow your mind, and keep in mind that Walking Street is only the tip of the iceberg as far as the Pat entertainment scene goes, but the beach sucks, the water is polluted. On the other hand, Phuket HAS beautiful beaches (clean clear water), a few worthwhile scuba sites, AND the nightlife scene is adequate which means you can have a good time here, but it is not in the same league with BKK or Pat. Therefore, my suggestion, if you have enough time, is visit both destinations.

*Remember to wait 24 hours before flying after your last scuba dive.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Fair Point. I have only been able to dream while caring for a loved one. My wife just passed and I am exploring destinations hoping some fun can offset gloom. I think it's down to Medelland, Brazil, and Thailand. I am going but struggling to decide which to do first.Forget South America, Asia is where it's at. For what you're looking for, I'd suggest Thailand, although my personal favorite SE Asia mongering destination is Indonesia. I'm 64 and widowed as well with more than 20 years experience working and living in Asia.

[MrHappyKat]

But did you have to pay the girl who wanted a test-drive?It's actually the cheapest way to fuck hot chicks. Ok, let me explain. I budget how much I will pay for a "date". That includes sex plus extras like dinner, transportation, etc. I rarely spend over my budget, unless she brings significant additional value to the party. Like a hot friend.

Now "test drive" girls? How the fuck (pun intended) do you budget for that? Will she want to go out 2 times before she drops her panties? Three times? Will I need to take her shopping or fund her (non-existent) sick buffalo's medicine? Will she watch me spend all that cheddar only to dump me for a much bigger "wallet"? I've been a transactional guy for over a decade, and I stay within my budget. How many guys have we heard of here and on other forums and even on YouTube lamenting how they pissed away thousands of bills on a girl before, during or after she banged them. How many guys had to go home early, or stupidly cashed in their retirement funds for a piece of ass that wasn't worth the total price (they never expected to be) paid?

Nope! I'm actually too frugal (aka cheap) to try to nail a test drive or freebie babe.

[SubCmdr]

It's actually the cheapest way to fuck hot chicks. Ok, let me explain. I budget how much I will pay for a "date". That includes sex plus extras like dinner, transportation, etc. I rarely spend over my budget, unless she brings significant additional value to the party. Like a hot friend.

Now "test drive" girls? How the fuck (pun intended) do you budget for that? Will she want to go out 2 times before she drops her panties? Three times? Will I need to take her shopping or fund her (non-existent) sick buffalo's medicine? Will she watch me spend all that cheddar only to dump me for a much bigger "wallet"? I've been a transactional guy for over a decade, and I stay within my budget. How many guys have we heard of here and on other forums and even on YouTube lamenting how they pissed away thousands of bills on a girl before, during or after she banged them. How many guys had to go home early, or stupidly cashed in their retirement funds for a piece of ass that wasn't worth the total price (they never expected to be) paid?

Nope! I'm actually too frugal (aka cheap) to try to nail a test drive or freebie babe.My Brother! Speaking from the standpoint of abundance, logic and emotional stability. Knowing what is possible to spend from his stack. Sticking to it and not being worried about the amount others are spending like so many posting up in here with:

Poverty Mentalities!

Thank you for reassuring me that there ARE International Tricks out there who truly know what time it is!

[MrHappyKat]

I would agree to that with the caveat of the old guy not having to give them money. If money is required for the old guy to bring them the multiple O's, then it is safe to say they are not actually there for the O's. Something tells me they will take the money without the O's, but not take the O's without the money.In my experience money will always motivate first. But if she's enjoying her money and time with that old, fat guy, especially if she's getting more and bigger O's that she expecting, she will be less likely to look for the next wallet / guy very soon. Not a hard and fast rule, just my experience.

But yes, asking any p4 p girl to stick around for the O's without the cash will not end well.

[MrHappyKat]

You don't seem to understand Thai women.

Most of what you call "non-pros" are actually ladies who happen not to be working bar at this moment in time, but have long careers working bar.

As for them wanting "O's", they are very happy getting off when their Thai man drills them. What they want from an old guys is that he finishes quickly. Women are different from men.

As for toys, what they really want is that you give them one so they can sell it to make some money to hand to their Thai man.

It's best to just enjoy the fucking and not to think you are doing them a big favor.I am looking forward to seeing what happens when I get there.

[Explorer8939]

The best overall will be Pattaya. Then Rio. Then Medellin.You have listed my itinerary for early 2025. Except you missed my week in Sosua.

Currently in Iguazú, Brazil with a lady from Hong Kong bar, Tijuana, Mexico.

[EihTooms]

Has anyone seen further mention or confirmation of this?

Here is a 4 1/2 minute video on the subject:

"No Plan" by Thai Immigration to Require "TaxID" for Visa Extension?

https://youtu.be/BwBztcmfKbQ?si=rm4Qp-qoKi_p_a1d

And here is the link for Thai Immigration showing that, as of this writing, there is no mention of a TaxID, any tax information or tax document required in order to extend a Long Stay Retirement Visa (O, O-A Non Immigrant or whatever) in 2025:

IMMIGRATION BUREAU
-------------------------------------------
ROYAL THAI POLICE

https://www.immigration.go.th/

Scroll down to "Request for extension of stay" and #22 in that list is the option most pertinent to me and perhaps many other expats reading this.

Unfortunately, also as of this writing, 3,000,000 THB in health insurance coverage, or some variation on that theme, is still required in order to extend my type of visa in 2025 despite reports that the required amount of coverage was going to return to where it was before.

[Allover]

You have listed my itinerary for early 2025. Except you missed my week in Sosua.

Currently in Iguaz, Brazil with a lady from Hong Kong bar, Tijuana, Mexico.The Falls are great. I couldn't find any action (not that you are looking) on the Argentina side. There is probably p4 p on the Brazil and Paraguay sides but I also was accompanied with a woman from my country of origin. Aerolineas Argentinas had a very good business class at the time.

[Werqweq]

It's actually the cheapest way to fuck hot chicks. Ok, let me explain. I budget how much I will pay for a "date". That includes sex plus extras like dinner, transportation, etc. I rarely spend over my budget, unless she brings significant additional value to the party. Like a hot friend.

Now "test drive" girls? How the fuck (pun intended) do you budget for that? Will she want to go out 2 times before she drops her panties? Three times? Will I need to take her shopping or fund her (non-existent) sick buffalo's medicine? Will she watch me spend all that cheddar only to dump me for a much bigger "wallet"? I've been a transactional guy for over a decade, and I stay within my budget. How many guys have we heard of here and on other forums and even on YouTube lamenting how they pissed away thousands of bills on a girl before, during or after she banged them. How many guys had to go home early, or stupidly cashed in their retirement funds for a piece of ass that wasn't worth the total price (they never expected to be) paid?

Nope! I'm actually too frugal (aka cheap) to try to nail a test drive or freebie babe.By test-drive I meant the girl you mentioned who wanted to test-drive your toy. Examples:

1) On Wednesday I met a 19 yo normal girl from thaifriendly in the park, talked / sat together there for an hour, then spent another hour walking back to my place, picking up a couple pizzas take-away on the way. Banged her three times before she left early next morning, with me offering up my phone so she could book grab taxi for herself as the only expense, sans her half of the pizzas.

2) Later in the afternoon I paid 2 x00 for one hour with an older, somewhat less attractive girl, at one of the sex-shops.

Which way is cheapest?

Price aside, I usually prefer 1) regardless, even if it takes some work. That way it's also possible to meet girls you genuinely like, and who genuinely like you too. Even if it's only for one night.

All those "take me out shopping", "take me to an expensive restaurant", etc. before sex chicks are just 2)-chicks pretending to be 1)-chicks. I'd, like you I guess, rather just pay 2100 at mango massage, or wherever, than to suffer their fakeness and golden-pussy-syndrome for an evening. I would not put them in the "freebie" category (1)) though. Any chick expecting anything more than a cup of coffee is in the 2)-category, not 1).

[SubCmdr]

Option 1

Minor expenses (food, snacks, transportation = < 500 THB) but it costs me 8 hours of my time.

Option 2

Pay 1000 - 2000 THB to fuck (time expenditure 1 hour).

I will take Option 2 any day of the week and every weekend. My time is valuable (I paid on nearly every trade in short, I got it made). Too valuable for. Option 1 for some random. I got a girl for date night. Sometimes they are mellow. Sometimes they an epic adventure. But each and every time it is fun as fuck! I have never had so much fun with a female partner in my entire life.

It has been suggested that I should drink in the room with girls and perform Jedi Mind Tricks and Vulcan Mind Melds then have them sit on my face. Nah, that routine does not work for me. I don't need to do all that to get Thai girls to take my Big Black Dick. I rather be Ballin like a Gent's Club Pro. People be hating on my flow and they be hating on my stack. When there is absolutely no reason for anyone to do that. They need to grow up and learn that you don't hate the International Player hate the International Game!

[Gaijin Gigolo]

By test-drive I meant the girl you mentioned who wanted to test-drive your toy. Examples:

1) On Wednesday I met a 19 yo normal girl from thaifriendly in the park, talked / sat together there for an hour, then spent another hour walking back to my place, picking up a couple pizzas take-away on the way. Banged her three times before she left early next morning, with me offering up my phone so she could book grab taxi for herself as the only expense, sans her half of the pizzas.

2) Later in the afternoon I paid 2 x00 for one hour with an older, somewhat less attractive girl, at one of the sex-shops.

Which way is cheapest?

Price aside, I usually prefer 1) regardless, even if it takes some work. That way it's also possible to meet girls you genuinely like, and who genuinely like you too. Even if it's only for one night. .Well done, and well stated. And a lot of older guys, like me, we've been there, done that with the bars and the gogos and what not. The thrill is in the chase, like you bedding a hot young freebie with some eagerness and personality. It's not at all about just dumping your load in some overpriced skank with golden pussy syndrome. Zero interest in that at all.

[Newton York]

Has anyone seen further mention or confirmation of this?

Here is a 4 1/2 minute video on the subject:

"No Plan" by Thai Immigration to Require "TaxID" for Visa Extension?

https://youtu.be/BwBztcmfKbQ?si=rm4Qp-qoKi_p_a1d

And here is the link for Thai Immigration showing that, as of this writing, there is no mention of a TaxID, any tax information or tax document required in order to extend a Long Stay Retirement Visa (O, O-A Non Immigrant or whatever) in 2025:

IMMIGRATION BUREAU
-------------------------------------------
ROYAL THAI POLICE

https://www.immigration.go.th/

Scroll down to "Request for extension of stay" and #22 in that list is the option most pertinent to me and perhaps many other expats reading this.

Unfortunately, also as of this writing, 3,000,000 THB in health insurance coverage, or some variation on that theme, is still required in order to extend my type of visa in 2025 despite reports that the required amount of coverage was going to return to where it was before.You guys, now I know I'm super old. I read this and for like a hot minute I really thought it was 'Taxi ID' and I was thinking to myself, does that mean I need my pasport just to get into a Grab? Haha! But it's TaxID! Which will never apply to me cause I'll never be lucky enough to live in Bangkok long term for retirement, if I even ever get to retire like you lucky mugs. Enjoy Thailand dudes, don't worry too much about the red tape.

Take it from an old man like me. Life is always full of crap, red tape, bureaucracy, issues, you name it. When you're at death's door, you're going to wish you lived more than worried about nonsense like that.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

By test-drive I meant the girl you mentioned who wanted to test-drive your toy. Examples:

1) On Wednesday I met a 19 yo normal girl from thaifriendly in the park, talked / sat together there for an hour, then spent another hour walking back to my place, picking up a couple pizzas take-away on the way. Banged her three times before she left early next morning, with me offering up my phone so she could book grab taxi for herself as the only expense, sans her half of the pizzas.

2) Later in the afternoon I paid 2 x00 for one hour with an older, somewhat less attractive girl, at one of the sex-shops.

Which way is cheapest?

Price aside, I usually prefer 1) regardless, even if it takes some work. That way it's also possible to meet girls you genuinely like, and who genuinely like you too. Even if it's only for one night.

All those "take me out shopping", "take me to an expensive restaurant", etc. before sex chicks are just 2)-chicks pretending to be 1)-chicks. I'd, like you I guess, rather just pay 2100 at mango massage, or wherever, than to suffer their fakeness and golden-pussy-syndrome for an evening. I would not put them in the "freebie" category (1)) though. Any chick expecting anything more than a cup of coffee is in the 2)-category, not 1).That's the way to do it. So much more fun to find one like no. 1. I'm headed to BKK in February and have no interest in paying bar fines, overpriced massages or gogos or the like. I'm exclusively searching for 'regular' girls who are just looking to meet a farang and have some fun.

[MrHappyKat]

And so we come full circle back to "My dick, my money, my time. " LOL.

To each his own. As long as I like who I fuck, and I like how they fuck me, I'll be getting the value I want.

ROI is not only about the cost, it's also about the value of the return. And that calculus works differently, even uniquely for each of us.

I am now 66 days away from wheels up. Just think of the number of new girls that will start work between now and the day I land!

Looking forward to reading more trip reports before I arrive.

[SubCmdr]

And so we come full circle back to "My dick, my money, my time. " LOL.Super simple concept. Hard for some to execute.


To each his own. As long as I like who I fuck, and I like how they fuck me, I'll be getting the value I want.Damn straight! I worry not about what others have to say about the price point I seek when hiring my prostitutes, nor their location from which I hire my prostitutes, nor the opinions from others who have neither seen the prostitutes I hire nor post pictures of their own.


ROI is not only about the cost, it's also about the value of the return. And that calculus works differently, even uniquely for each of us.Yes, my Cost Per Orgasm calculation has much more to do with my experience and the service the girl provides than her attractiveness. If she is a 6 and provides 10 service I prefer that over a 10 that provides 6 level service.


I am now 66 days away from wheels up. Just think of the number of new girls that will start work between now and the day I land!I spend more time doing my cardio and figuring out what I want to eat for the day than I do deciding who I want to put my Big Black Dick and what orifice I want to put it in to blow my splooge! I am about my International Trickin not being critical of the choices of others.


Looking forward to reading more trip reports before I arrive.Me too. LOL!

[Werqweq]

And so we come full circle back to "My dick, my money, my time. " LOL.
Of course. I was just curious about that particular girl, but then went off on some tangent for no particularly good reason.

[PilotPete]

I should start with the referenced issue is based on a goal for a 3 week girlfriend. And I'm partial to 30 yo + with decent English skills. I need to choose between Thai & Latin experience. I stress. Not looking for bar girls but am recruiting from Cupid & Seeking with many responses for both.

Recently I have been told that the Latin ladies (Colombia & Brazil) are more transactional vs Thai's who prefer a mini-relationship.

Your thoughts are very welcome.

[Explorer8939]

I should start with the referenced issue is based on a goal for a 3 week girlfriend. And I'm partial to 30 yo + with decent English skills. I need to choose between Thai & Latin experience. I stress. Not looking for bar girls but am recruiting from Cupid & Seeking with many responses for both.

Recently I have been told that the Latin ladies (Colombia & Brazil) are more transactional vs Thai's who prefer a mini-relationship.

Your thoughts are very welcome."Mini relationship" = customer boyfriend who sends the lady money when he goes home.

[Mr Enternational]

And so we come full circle back to "My dick, my money, my time. " LOL.

To each his own. As long as I like who I fuck, and I like how they fuck me, I'll be getting the value I want.I agree. The only question comes in is when the customer talks about how much someone they are paying for a service likes them or something they do. Maybe they do not like them or what they are doing at all, but are just giving good customer service.

Like if I jump in the back of my Uber and put my feet on the seats, yet the driver keeps smiling, could I actually state the driver loves when I put my feet on the seats, or does he just keep smiling because he does not want me to give him 1 star or lose my business?

Mongers tend to talk about how much someone they are paying for a service are into them or what they are doing.

[SubCmdr]

What is the definition of cheating in Thailand? Does it depend on the type of relationship? Does it depend upon the occupation of the girl? Does it depend on how you met the girl? Is there such a thing as a monogamous relationship in Thailand?

What exactly is loss of face? Is that when someone cheats and their partner finds out about it? Does lose of face only occur of others know about it? Does loss of face occur only by the partner that got cheated on? Or can the cheating partner lose face also cause they got caught? Are there different rules for loss of face when it comes Thai people and Farang people?

Is any of this related to sitting on face or coming on face?

[MrHappyKat]

I agree. The only question comes in is when the customer talks about how much someone they are paying for a service likes them or something they do. Maybe they do not like them or what they are doing at all, but are just giving good customer service.

Like if I jump in the back of my Uber and put my feet on the seats, yet the driver keeps smiling, could I actually state the driver loves when I put my feet on the seats, or does he just keep smiling because he does not want me to give him 1 star or lose my business?

Mongers tend to talk about how much someone they are paying for a service are into them or what they are doing.Fortunately, after 40+ years of mongering, my ego is more concerned about how well I am getting fucked than about how well I am fucking. But that took me several years (and TBH thousands of SIMP dollars pissed away) to figure out. And I'll carve out the case for long-term Sugar Babies, at least in the US. The "cost of acquisition" to get a really good SB onboarded into my rotation (I currently have 8), is high in terms of money and especially time. Once a good (I. E. : Hot, enthusiastic, and capable) SB is acquired, it costs less to keep her happy and coming back on the regular than it does to replace her frequently.

I guess deep down, I'm really a "Cheap Charlie. " LOL.

[SubCmdr]

My input is that it is possible to go to work and enjoy your work!

So a girl can work in the entertainment industry and enjoy her work in general. Like any job there are going to bad days and good days. But these sweeping statement where people project their feelings onto others are just blatantly false! When I was working, there were things that I enjoyed at work and things that I did not. But I would have never showed up at work if I was not getting paid.

Then there is chemistry. I liken hiring a prostitute to taking your car to a mechanic. That is a bad analogy. Because I leave my car with the mechanic and my dick stays attached to me. So when I hire a dick mechanic to drain my balls, sometimes we share chemistry. Good chemistry is something that exists between human beings and is way more than the concept some proffer as just good customer service. Chemistry is something that is shared between to human beings for a moment or a lifetime and has nothing to do with money. It is similar to when you like some of your co-workers or people you do business and others well they are just (Compound Profanity redacted).

Yep, I said it!

[Explorer8939]

What is the definition of cheating in Thailand? Does it depend on the type of relationship? Does it depend upon the occupation of the girl? Does it depend on how you met the girl? Is there such a thing as a monogamous relationship in Thailand?

What exactly is loss of face? Is that when someone cheats and their partner finds out about it? Does lose of face only occur of others know about it? Does loss of face occur only by the partner that got cheated on? Or can the cheating partner lose face also cause they got caught? Are there different rules for loss of face when it comes Thai people and Farang people?

Is any of this related to sitting on face or coming on face?You are in Thailand, you can ask the ladies you meet these questions.

However, despite "loss of face" being important in Thailand, the ladies will feign ignorance. And of course, they will claim they don't have a Thai boyfriend.

[SubCmdr]

I got 8 million ways to write a post. I dont have to choose one!


However, despite "loss of face" being important in Thailand, the ladies will feign ignorance. And of course, they will claim they don't have a Thai boyfriend.So is lying about having a Thai boyfriend to prevent loss of face of them or the person they are telling the lie to?


You are in Thailand, you can ask the ladies you meet these questions.Without Jedi Mind Tricks and Vulcan Mind Melds how am I to know that I gettin truthful answers. Besides I prefer to spend my time with my dick in the mouth, pussy and asses of Thai girls that I am paying for that privilege rather than drinking with them, talking to them and having them sit on my face. I would rather talk about fuck shit and discuss it among my fellow International Tricks.


You are in Thailand, you can ask the ladies you meet these questions.

However, despite "loss of face" being important in Thailand, the ladies will feign ignorance. And of course, they will claim they don't have a Thai boyfriend.

[SubCmdr]

Let me tell you how I see it. Pattaya is a huge playground for adults.Damn straight. I've been to Jakarta, Medellin, Santo Domingo, Sosua, Punta Cana and for me Pattaya beats them all. Pattaya if it was a horse in a race, it would be crossing the finish line while the rest are are just turning onto the backstretch! Yeah! I said it!


The gents clubs will have one or two at each. Then there is soi 6. Each bar will have a few but there are just so many bars. Yes they have a lot of pressure to buy drinks and I get that, but about talent, it's is clearly there. Have prices gone up, yes. Times are changing. Then there is walking street. The good go go bars will have groups of stunners, but you will need to spend big. Then there is TF. This is the best way for you in my opinion to find stunners in Pattaya. The prices will be reasonable and drinks are completely out of the equation. My opinion on pats is there is more variety and P4 P is easier to find, cheaper and the action can be dirty as fuck. This means it's easier to get BBFS, easier to find a threesome and easier to walk into a club like Maggie Mays and get in bar action.Well said! In my opinion, when I read about complains about Pattaya they are from those who have a Poverty Mentality or they are living in the Glory Days. Like if I was to compare my raw athletic abilities on the Tennis Court 20 years ago to now. Of course they would not compare whatsoever. I don't know why individuals don't understand that. Plus, what the fuck you going to do about the passage of time. That is bigger than all of us. For every old mother fuck complaining about Pattaya, there is a newbie like me just getting off the plane and loving it. It is the cycle of life.


This is my 2 cents Goats. Pattaya is a great place to visit, but the hunt is becoming less and less attractive to me. Now I have my spots like Maggie Mays, club fate, XS and Pin Up just to name a few. That's all I need. I'm not one to try new places in Patts anymore. Heaven Above is on my to do list though. About TF in Patts, it's just too easy. Log in, choose a girl, invite her over and that's it. Yep, that is about the value I place on your posts, 2 cents. Many times I have found that to be substantially overvalued. LOL!


My final thoughts, in the words of Tony Soprano, remember when is the lowest form of conversation. This meaning I don't dwell on the past and what once was. I just adapt. Now you are keeping it real!

How you like me now?

[Allover]

Damn straight. I've been to Jakarta, Medellin, Santo Domingo, Sosua, Punta Cana and for me Pattaya beats them all. Pattaya if it was a horse in a race, it would be crossing the finish line while the rest are are just turning onto the backstretch! Yeah! I said it!

Well said! In my opinion, when I read about complains about Pattaya they are from those who have a Poverty Mentality or they are living in the Glory Days. Like if I was to compare my raw athletic abilities on the Tennis Court 20 years ago to now. Of course they would not compare whatsoever. I don't know why individuals don't understand that. Plus, what the fuck you going to do about the passage of time. That is bigger than all of us. For every old mother fuck complaining about Pattaya, there is a newbie like me just getting off the plane and loving it. It is the cycle of life.

Yep, that is about the value I place on your posts, 2 cents. Many times I have found that to be substantially overvalued. LOL!

Now you are keeping it real!

How you like me now? Since you just got off the plane (your words) you don't know about the past. I was there in the late 90's and mid 2000's and it was better and cheaper. There was far less emphasis on drinks and more on barfines and hooking up. Girls were pretty much all longtime unless you kicked them out. That model has changed and prices have increased. Girl prices, business class air ticket prices, and even the price of shoes have increased. Just like everything else. I understand these changes and I don't live in the past. I don't cry about changes because Thailand is still a great to visit with tons of options. SubCmdr I wish you could have experienced it; it was unbelievable. But I understand people occasionally making comparisons to the past because it was such a true paradise.

If these past references bother you just skip over the post. I suspect some people here have such a big ego they can't imagine Thailand being better without their saintly presence.

[Nyezhov]

Since you just got off the plane (your words) you don't know about the past. I was there in the late 90's and mid 2000's and it was better and cheaper. There was far less emphasis on drinks and more on barfines and hooking up. Girls were pretty much all longtime unless you kicked them out. That model has changed and prices have increased. Girl prices, business class air ticket prices, and even the price of shoes have increased. Just like everything else. I understand these changes and I don't live in the past. I don't cry about changes because Thailand is still a great to visit with tons of options. SubCmdr I wish you could have experienced it; it was unbelievable. But I understand people occasionally making comparisons to the past because it was such a true paradise.

If these past references bother you just skip over the post. I suspect some people here have such a big ego they can't imagine Thailand being better without their saintly presence.Back in the old days, MessBoy wouldn't have been allowed in, and when he finally was, he would pay more to the girls, if he could find one. Thats a change from the old days, although most decent looking girls nowadays avoid his type.

[Newton York]

Like a virus, the rantings and ravings from the other section has arrived here. I thought this here to be a cool and more relaxed chat area. Just lounging and talking sex like in a German FKK or something. But it's outright fisticuffs here too.

It's so sad fellas. So sad. Don't be so angry. We're all here to enjoy pussy wherever we can find it. By the way anyone see that Thai movie 'Breaking Bangkok: Heavan and Hell', that's a good movie. But the old 'Ong Bak' will always be an action classic to me. Let's just chat folks, let's all calm down, and talk about things that are Thai related.

That's so funny, submarine commanders catch phrase: How you like me now?
It's kinda weird in a way, like a street fight is about to happen, pounding chest and all. But here we all are in a forum, where nothing matters. Like anybody can be disappointed, or insulted, or get angry. It literally doesn't matter, as a matter of fact, at this point, some of us might even be AI. There's no ramifications, no consequences, nothing. Nobody even needs to read any replies at all. Let's everybody just calm down. Calm down. Let's talk about what truly matters. Sex with hot chicks.

[Newton York]

I agree. The only question comes in is when the customer talks about how much someone they are paying for a service likes them or something they do. Maybe they do not like them or what they are doing at all, but are just giving good customer service.

Like if I jump in the back of my Uber and put my feet on the seats, yet the driver keeps smiling, could I actually state the driver loves when I put my feet on the seats, or does he just keep smiling because he does not want me to give him 1 star or lose my business?

Mongers tend to talk about how much someone they are paying for a service are into them or what they are doing.Yes, that's true but maybe it's just me a thing, but I would hope they would try to like me a little. Cause if you know they hate your guts, or they're having a bad day, even if they provide services as stated, it's not going to be too much fun. That's why we have the best times and the best sex with the chicks we connect with. And we all know, the getting along with a chick, sharing that same vibe is always the challenge. I think in our line of hobby, the chick giving a good professional service, has to like you a teeny tiny bit. It'll definitely show. If she hates you, it'll show for sure. Even if she's beingneutral, but can still somehow perform, you can always tell. And I totally get the whole point is to nut, but if that's the best she can do cause there's no connection, then obviously I'm not repeating with her. The coupla chicks I had a really stupendously good time with in Bangkok, they perform exceedingly well, if not because she genuinely likes me or likes the job, but it's that she can fake it supremely well, and that's good enough for me. But to fake a sunny disposition like that, some of them would have to be basically psychos. I think some of them, well maybe just a handful, are truly genuine.

[SubCmdr]

My life is great here in Pattaya, Thailand It could be because I am a newbie. Just off the plane and enjoying every bit of my life here. You see despite others efforts to educate me on what Pattaya used to be. I am enjoying what Pattaya is now.

By having having boots on the ground for months on end I get to do what visitors (those who don't need to renew their visitors visa why they are here) can NEVER experience. This is the classic conflict that I have seen occur on ISG across Country Threads. There will always be Sexpats and International Tricks.

Sexpats

They post up in a place long enough to actually learn how to live like a local.

International Tricks

Visitors. They don't need to extend the stamp they get on the VOA (or whatever the fuck they call it). You know the time they get when the initially enter the country.

Sexpats if they choose to write about their experiences here on ISG (and many don't) often make International Tricks think they are telling tall tales. I used to get that ALOT when I was posting in the Dominican Republic threads. Sexpats can simply do what International Tricks cannot.

Example

If I wrote that you can buy a condo here in Pattaya that will pay you 8 - 10% cash on cash return after expenses, someone is going to call me a liar. I have to admit, this used to bother me. But now it simply does not. I am unaffected by what anyone thinks about the experiences I write or the judgments they make about them.

How you like me now?

International Tricks once they are wheels down. The wheels up clock starts ticking and that changes their perceptions so much they have trouble understanding the perspective that being a Sexpat gives you.

They be hating and making statements like this:


Everyone has to have a routine and many expats do not, bar pouring money into the black holes that are bar girls / grannies. They are not a reason to get up in the morning, except to check if your wallet has been robbed.This is a classic example of Poverty Thinking. The OP is concerned with what others are doing with their time and money.

My time; My money; My dick; My call!

Who the fuck says you need to get up in the morning when you are free man? You can run your life on the nightlife schedule. 3 PM to 6 AM. Sleep in the mornings and get up and do it all over again.

Or you can do like I do: prime trading sessions on the world stage occur for me between 2000 - 0400. I then hit streets and do my road work. Have a bite to eat when I get back. Get my six to eight hours and up and go about my day. Those who aren't still stuck on the government / corporate wage slave plantations can be free men!

How you like me now?


That's so funny, submarine commanders catch phrase: How you like me now?
It's kinda weird in a way, like a street fight is about to happen, pounding chest and all.Really brother? Is that what you think? Nothing could be further from the truth. If you research the statement it comes from a song and it has a meaning that the song writers attached to it.

Singer Kelvin Swaby said the song is about "when you can take advantage of a situation, and it doesn't matter what you do. I'm trying to say that I've been really, really, really bad, you shouldn't love me after all. And I'm telling you I've done this and this and this, so how do you like me now? And it's almost like you're just being cocky with it, because you know that you can do it.

Starting a street fight my brother? Nah, it is about being confident in yourself and your abilities. Now I know that bothers those that are not in the same mental space as I am. But when I write: How you like me now? I am asking my fellow ISG members to judge the material I just wrote for accuracy and usefulness.

I got big flow; I got big stack; I got Big Black Dick! I am posted up in Pattaya and do what the fuck I when I want to do it. I am a free man!

How you like me now?

[Explorer8939]

Since you just got off the plane (your words) you don't know about the past. I was there in the late 90's and mid 2000's and it was better and cheaper. There was far less emphasis on drinks and more on barfines and hooking up. Girls were pretty much all longtime unless you kicked them out. That model has changed and prices have increased. Girl prices, business class air ticket prices, and even the price of shoes have increased. Just like everything else. I understand these changes and I don't live in the past. I don't cry about changes because Thailand is still a great to visit with tons of options. SubCmdr I wish you could have experienced it; it was unbelievable. But I understand people occasionally making comparisons to the past because it was such a true paradise.

If these past references bother you just skip over the post. I suspect some people here have such a big ego they can't imagine Thailand being better without their saintly presence.I was in Pattaya 20+ years ago. It was pretty much the same then, except for Soi 6. And there were less Indians.

Some areas were more popular then than now (Soi 7), and Soi Buakhow didn't exist as a hot spot. There was a Lolita's BJ bar in Soi Metro, and that was it.

I do remember the old-timers back then complaining that Pattaya was better 20 years earlier. You can see posts here from 20 years ago saying the same thing.

[Explorer8939]

Living in Pattaya is very different from a visit of 2 weeks.

Probably the biggest mistake residents make is hooking up with a "girlfriend". Given the nature of Pattaya, to tie yourself down with a single lady defeats the purpose of being in Pattaya. The problem is that some guys come to Pattaya to find a "girlfriend" because they can't get one back home.

I am always busy in Pattaya because I am transferring contents from my homes in the US to my condo (small stuff, not furniture). Plus installing a multi-function solar panel array on my balcony (it points north, so not too useful). I am installing battery power to have some electricity when the main power fails).

My career has been an inventor, and if I get enough sleep, don't drink too much alcohol, but drink an excess of coffee, I can do work in the morning. So, that kills 3 or 4 days every year.

My weakness is that I am deluged with messages from ladies during Low Season asking if I want company. That leads to periods where I have 2 ladies a day, which is a bit much over a long time. Also, the more ladies, the greater the chance of a dud. And it precludes me from going to the bars.

[SubCmdr]

And also, I find all the aging dudes who seem to live for the next beer hanging about in their shorts and tank tops to be incredibly depressing.I see it too. Riding down Beach Road on the Baht Bus.


In the meantime I look forward to commenting on his inability to understand the baht bus routes, But what it does not do to me is cause depression. Honestly, I do not understand that. Grown man spending his time and his money how he wants to.

Is that really such a difficult concept. Let me reiterate: Poverty Mentality is displayed by a individual who is concerned with what someone else is doing with: His Time, His Money, His Dick! Why? Because it is His Call!.


These days I'll take Bangkok any day.Not me. What is important to me is: 1. Being able to walk to the beach in 10 minutes 2. Have a girl deliver the pussy to me off Thai Friendly for 1000 - 1200 THB within the hour. I am coming from a place that has some of the best Beaches in the entire world..


My best days in Republica Dominicana were my best days in the Dominican Republic. My best days in Thailand are my best days in Thailand. I am not the sort to engage in glory days comparisons. When I was in the Dominican Republic I had not discovered Thailand at the time. I have established deep roots in the Dominican Republic that are just not going to go away. That is why I will return. To tend to my roots and to hang out with the friends I made during my time there.

The only thing that the Dominican Republic is superior on is beaches In all other areas that I find important for good living: Colombia and Thailand are far superior!

Period. Full Stop!

That being said I would not change my time in the Dominican Republic at all. Nor do I feel like I wish I had of discovered Colombia and Thailand sooner. Everything occurs in it time it should based on the manifest destiny laid out for me. I am good with with it!Lets talk about personal preferences


Well done, and well stated. And a lot of older guys, like me, we've been there, done that with the bars and the gogos and what not. The thrill is in the chase, like you bedding a hot young freebie with some eagerness and personality. It's not at all about just dumping your load in some overpriced skank with golden pussy syndrome. Zero interest in that at all.Its all good I do not need to boost my ego with the idea of getting Free?! pussy. I fucked over 300 girls in my country of origin (With my Big Black Dick over the time period I lived there (for free)! Now as a older guy I personally do not want to spend my time (which is limited at this point in my life) running down some young girl just so I can brag about it here on ISG.

Far from it. I am perfectly comfortable with UGP (Ugly Girl Pussy). UGP gets my dick off the same way as PGP (Pretty Girl Pussy) and at a much lower CPO (Cost Per Orgasm). Mother fucks who focus on how much others spend in the Bar / Club are exhibiting a Poverty Mentality. The costs incurred are for individual involved. Yes, the girl gets the drink bonus. But sometimes I just post up in the Club to look and enjoy the company of a sexy girl next to me. Call me a lonely guy if you must. But I am not sending money from half a world a way to girl who is going to take it and fuck some other guy within minutes. Now, do not get me wrong. I have not problem with someone who wants to be a Sponsor. But that is just not for me.

Lets talk about appearance standards and price


Young and attractive bar girl for me = 20-25 years old. Knowing this. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.I respect this. EverythingThai has laid out his beauty standards. He also posts the occasional picture.


Keep it real guys when posting about the Bangkok scene guys. The girls in Bangkok are classier, dress nice, spend hours doing their make up, nails and hair before going out and look for guys who have it together. The girls that accept 1000 LT and salaries of 3-5 k per month in return for unlimited fucking are not the top tier girls, nor the middle tier girls or even the below average girls.This applies to Pattaya also 1200 Long Time is not something I have ever offered (mostly because I am not a Long Time guy) but I simply cannot imagine that it's about pulling Top Tier Girls. Like saying I bought a BMW for half price around the corner from the BMW dealership. Now, I am not saying that ANYONE up in here is lying on their dick. But I will say that has NOT been MY experience in Pattaya.

I pay a lot more attention to price and chemistry Chemistry is the ONLY thing that drives me to pay more than my usual amount to get my dick off.

[SubCmdr]

Individuals who NEED constant changing female companionship in this lives are emotional stunted or damaged and are trying to work out their issues often by being submissive and having girls sit on their face.

But focusing solely on girls with Thai Husbands and boyfriends they avoid any possibility or opportunity to have a consistent relationship. I do not think having a girlfriend is a mistake in Pattaya. Unless you are like one of the individuals I have previously described.

Number 1

New pussy cannot cook Constantly having girls run thru your life means they are there for simply 3 reason. It would stand to thing that because they all have 3 holes to penetrate. I like having a girl in my life that I can enjoy during ADLs (Activities of Daily Life).

Number 2

I am not in Pattaya for the girls I am in Pattaya because it is a international destination with great infrastructure, low cost of living and I can afford the cost of a room within 10 minutes walk to the beach.

Number 3

Thailands immigration policies are very straight forward There are other countries that I would like to spend time in. But I am limited because I cannot get permission to stay in those countries for the length of time I would like. Thailand has welcomed me to the Kingdom with with open arms. They gave me a guest pass. Told me when I had to leave. No fuss, no mess.

Number 4

Thailand has no hassle pussy If you procure it right. You can have a regular partner and you can have as many other sexual partners as you like. I have found Thai Girls to be very accepting of that. I have no idea of what individuals are talking about when they say a girlfriend ties you down. That is some closed mind, western farang, fucked up thinking in my book.

How you like now?

[Newton York]

I was in Pattaya 20+ years ago. It was pretty much the same then, except for Soi 6. And there were less Indians.

Some areas were more popular then than now (Soi 7), and Soi Buakhow didn't exist as a hot spot. There was a Lolita's BJ bar in Soi Metro, and that was it.

I do remember the old-timers back then complaining that Pattaya was better 20 years earlier. You can see posts here from 20 years ago saying the same thing.By the blood of Sekhmet Herself, Anubis would be proud. Exactly! Could not have said it better myself. Somehow, not just here in Thailand, but in every thread, in every country, in every city, somehow it was always better 10 or 20 years ago! I mean it's like, come on guys. Stop living in the past. It's the now. This is what we've got, and we have to make the most of the pussy we can get.

I betcha 20 years from now, dudes are going to say these days were the best. Just saying.

I said the same thing in the Prague forum, here as well. Somehow there's always someone saying it was better 10 or 20 years ago. It's like come on man. Sure, to me Prague was better 10 years ago, but I bet if I could go now, I might be able to find something the same or better. Heck I had 2 Bangkok trips separated by over 5 years and the second trip was way better, not because Bangkok had gotten better or worse, but because I found the right way to do Bangkok and her ladies, my way.

Oh, almost forgot to end my post with my signature catch phrase. This is my catchphrase ok? I totally didn't steal it from some submarine commander dude.
How are you gentlemen liking me right at this moment? (pretend I took the time and effort to make this whole thing in bold type)

[Explorer8939]

It's called "the novelty wears off over time."

The first time I went to Soi 6, it was amazing. Each successive visit, less so.

I haven't gone there for at least a year now.

[Allover]

I betcha 20 years from now, dudes are going to say these days were the best. Just saying.You are correct. The reason they will say it was better now is because it is better now than it will be in 20 years. That will be true of nearly every place that is active now. Those who refer to this as "living in the past" have one thing in common. Most weren't in Thailand 20-30 years ago. Of course a few veterans who were in Thailand will disagree with this and I respect their opinions. I do not respect the opinions of recent arrivals that didn't experience the past. Especially those with inflamed egos that constantly brag about their exploits while putting others down. Heck, I remember when the Amsterdam window girls were fun to visit.

[Allover]

It's called "the novelty wears off over time."

The first time I went to Soi 6, it was amazing. Each successive visit, less so.

I haven't gone there for at least a year now.The novelty of it does wear off over time. I remember how my wingman and I were in stunned disbelief over our first night in walking street. The sights, sounds, and the girls were unimaginable. I only visit there once or twice a week now when in town.

[SubCmdr]

Been posted up in Pattaya for more than a minute. Been to Soi 6 less than a half dozen times. It is NOTHING to write home about after your first visit. Now Gentlemen's Clubs are a completely different story. Those are my spots. When I go out, never takes a visit to more than two to find me a girl I want to hire as my prostitute.

Ballin like a Gent's Club Pro!!


It's called "the novelty wears off over time."

The first time I went to Soi 6, it was amazing. Each successive visit, less so.

I haven't gone there for at least a year now.

[SubCmdr]

I have plenty of girls asking for repeat appointments to see me. Only the best performers get a return visit!

[SubCmdr]

If I rewind my life back 20 - 30 years, I am physically and mentally better, stronger, faster than I am now. I could run around my backhand and smash a monster forehand down the line for a winner against my opponent. Now I cannot even play singles. I play the same type of tennis I used to laugh as when I saw people who are my age now playing back then. I could get my Big Black Dick up 6 times to fuck and cum in six different girls in a 12-18 hour period.

My biggest question that I have is how after 20 - 30 years individuals posting here who claim OG Vet status have such closed minds and spend so much time living in the Glory Days?


In fact I think I'm going down to the well tonight; And I'm gonna drink till I get my fill; And I hope when I get old I don't sit around thinking about it; But I probably will
Yeah, just sitting back trying to recapture; A little of the glory yeah; Well time slips away and leaves you with nothing, mister, but; Boring stories of: Glory days - Glory Days, Bruce Springsteen (circa 1984)


I was in Pattaya 20+ years ago. It was pretty much the same then, except for Soi 6. And there were less Indians.

I do remember the old-timers back then complaining that Pattaya was better 20 years earlier. You can see posts here from 20 years ago saying the same thing.And you can see that today my man:


You are correct. The reason they will say it was better now is because it is better now than it will be in 20 years.

Those who refer to this as "living in the past" have one thing in common. Most weren't in Thailand 20-30 years ago.

You live in the present only because you weren't there 20 years ago you compound profanity in bold redacted.The words above is the wisdom being bestowed upon us by a OG Vet. Problem is that the Glory Days mentality being displayed causes individuals in that mode of thinking to not be able to live and enjoy the present. It shows me they are fighting the most fundamental facts of life itself: 1. Entropy. 2. Passage of time.

Got a few years on this earth. If someone up in here can tell me how they can stop 1 or 2 listed above I am all ears. I will have respect for you no matter when you first arrived in Thailand. I know this much: Twenty or Thirty years ago I did not have a laptop computer that cost me under 1000 USD that is connected to the internet that allows me to manage my entire financial life from where I am composing this post right now (my bed).

I did not have a iPhone that allow me to communicate with anyone around the world willing to communicate with me (but only if they live in the present). If you are still pining away for a flip phone (because everything was better back in the day) you might not appreciate the benefits of the tools of modern day communication.


I took from your post that you know a bunch of guys that like to sit around and talk about the Golden Era of the DR. WTF? Immediately the Bruce Springsteen song "Glory Days" came to mind: "And I hope when I get old I don't sit around thinking about it, but I probably will. Yeah, just sitting back trying to recapture a little of the glory of, well time slips away and leaves you with nothing mister but boring stories of glory days. ".

I'm ROTFLMFAO! No thank you. Not for me! I'm sitting on my balcony, basking in the sunlight, having a drink and looking at the ocean. My cell phone goes off. It's my whatsapp. Some sweet twenty something wants to see me (and I know what that means). I tell her to come on over. And I'm supposed to believe that I missed the "Golden Era of the DR? No my brother! I don't think so. LOL!

As long as smoking hot girls in their twenties are willing to give 50, 60, 70 year old men pussy then the time I'm living in right here and right now is my golden age. Tell your counsel of old men I'm not missing a thing. You can't find any posts where I'm whining like a girly man about not being able to find GFE (mine go way beyond GFE also); You can't find my posts where TLN is a problem (I have trouble getting mine to leave also). You seem like a fairly educated fellow (much more than me, you know, with your proper English and the middle class thing you got going on). Talk to them about a smart phone. Teach them how to use whatsapp and social media. And then they will see they can still, just using their finger, have the pussy come to them (roll the laugh track on that one boys).Can someone please hit the view original post link and look at the date I posted this in the Dominican Republic Threads?


Subcmdr is a respected ISG Poster with over 4000+ posts in at least 6 different country threads. A renown International Trick with years of experience of actually living in at least three different countries know for being popular for hiring prostitutes. When you enjoy and review his work you will find that he brings unique view of the present to you. He refuses to be stuck in the past. He enjoys what a location offers in the moment. Unconcerned with what OG Vets have to say while sitting on their bar stools in stained wife beaters and shorts.

He is currently posted up in Pattaya, Thailand. Where he enjoys paying to fuck the Mouth, Pussy and Ass of willing Thai Girls. His signature expression is:

How you like me now?

[Explorer8939]

I have plenty of girls asking for repeat appointments to see me. Only the best performers get a return visit!If you would have them come to your condo instead of meeting them in the bar, then you would essentially be copying my style. Over time, I have amassed a rotation of ladies.

The only problem is that I lose 50% every High Season to Farang customer boyfriends, who give them money to go live in the village, or take them to another country to live. Which requires me to find new ladies every year.

[Explorer8939]

There is a difference between a Thai girlfriend and having a regular lady who has no problem if you go with other ladies. I have a dozen regulars who wouldn't care if I fucked another lady in front of them. On the other hand, a girlfriend is a wife in training (in her mind), and she is thinking about a future where she doesn't have to work in her shop or bar because the Farang will support her.

Of course, in Pattaya, a regular or girlfriend may have a Thai man on the side, since Farangs don't count as real boyfriends.

[SubCmdr]

OG Vets around here that are full of themselves need to understand something quick fast and a hurry and not get their thinking processes twisted.


If you would have them come to your condo instead of meeting them in the bar, then you would essentially be copying my style. Over time, I have amassed a rotation of ladies.The only style you ever find me coping is that of YyzTravel. He is true gentlemen that has shown me how to really live and truly enjoy life. He has made my LIFE better! Everything he writes on ISG is 100. That man is not lying on his dick. How do I know? Because I seen it.


There is a difference between a Thai girlfriend and having a regular lady who has no problem if you go with other ladies.No there is not! This difference only exists in the minds of some people that really do not understand the basics of relationships. A relationship is either open sexually or it is closed.

I have have amassed a rotation of ladies worldwide!

I know what a girlfriend is. I don't need a OG Vet to tell me. Girlfriends are not special in Pattaya or in Thailand or different from any other place in the world. You see I define my own relationships. I have many girlfriends. I have, one in Colombia. Two in the Dominican Republic and one in Thailand. They are open relationships. All of them. Even my kik or my gik (I don't know how to define my current relationship). It is open. All of my relationships are open. Therefore monogamy is not a component. Once you remove monogamy as a component then all this talk about who the girl is fucking (no matter what title you give her or define her relationship to you in her life) matters.

This is the reason I do not need Jedi Mind Tricks or Vulcan Mind Melds while using alcohol as truth serum in order to learn life history and relationship statuses of the girl I am fucking. Worrying about if a a girl has a Thai Boyfriend or Thai Husband or Tomboy or LadyBoy lesbian girlfriend is Poverty Thinking. It is also very negative and shows me a sign that the man who thinks like that has low self esteem. If I am fucking a girl that has a Thai Boyfriend or Thai Husband I am thinking that the Thai Boyfriend or Thai Husband has the problem not me. If she is doing it behind his back then she IS cheating and that is her partners problem. If she is not doing it behind his back then she is NOT cheating and it is not a problem.

Next, OG Vets are going to tell me because I am new that I don't understand Pattaya or Thailand. Nothing could be further from the truth. Simply reading the posts of certain OG Vets shows me that many have very narrow minded thinking. They have made up their mind that stereotypes are all true and that: 1. All girls in Pattaya are Bar Girls 2. All girls cheat on their partners. 3. All girls are are have been prostitutes. That they will be prostitutes in the future if the right situation presents itself. 4. OG Vets that have been in Thailand for the last 20 years are the only individuals who know what time it is in Thailand. 5. That is impossible for someone they consider to be a newbie to have respect for them or for them to know anything they might not.

Lastly, you will never find me taking relationship advice from a International Trick or a SexPat Ever!

[Explorer8939]

SubCmdr,

I don't think you understand Thai ladies in Pattaya much.

This is not an insult, when you have more experience in Thailand, you will understand.

Here's a question for you: what does your kik get out of the relationship with you?

[Mr Enternational]

There is a difference between a Thai girlfriend and having a regular lady who has no problem if you go with other ladies. I have a dozen regulars who wouldn't care if I fucked another lady in front of them. On the other hand, a girlfriend is a wife in training (in her mind), and she is thinking about a future where she doesn't have to work in her shop or bar because the Farang will support her.

Of course, in Pattaya, a regular or girlfriend may have a Thai man on the side, since Farangs don't count as real boyfriends.Where do you come up with this stuff? The question is how do you get into these chicks' heads or at least think you are getting into their heads? Are your posts only about hookers? Because you tend to use ambiguos wording as if what you are saying applies to the general population. What you profess is 180 degrees from my experience whether hookers or non-hookers.

I have a girlfriend, but she always tells me to go out and butterfly. I do not pay my girlfriend and she has never asked any money of me. She works at neither a bar or a shop.

My cousin is in town for the first time and brought his actual wife and actual girlfriend from the States. They are all together. Nobody is training for anything or has certain motives in their minds.

Your relationship is what you make it to be. The relationship does not get into you. You choose the kind of relationship you want to get into. So you saying having a girlfriend or frequent hooker or wife is going to be some cookie cutter thing is ridiculous.

If I am pursuing a chick and she tells me that if I am in a relationship with her then I can no longer eat steak and have to give her godmother $100/ month, then guess what I am free to do? Not get into the fucking relationship! Enough of this acting like someone is trapping you into being part of something you are not signing up to be in.

[SubCmdr]

I am doing just fine in Pattaya My finances are solid. I don't have Bar Girls rummaging through my wallet. My Big Black Dick is penetrating the mouth, pussy and asses of Thai Girls on a regular basis at a price point that is agreeable to me. Like Biggie Smalls says: I get more butt than an ashtray. Sometimes I bust in their eye so they can see me coming. ROTFLMAO!.

I don't have girls sitting on my face nor am I getting on my knees while they stand in front of me to lick their pussies. I got nothing against guys who like to lick pussy. Even I do it sometime. What I don't get is guy who pay for that privilege. A girl that get the Big Pink Tongue on their clit is getting a unique gift from me.

A 20 year OG Vet wrote this to me in the public forum:


SubCmdr, I don't think you understand Thai ladies in Pattaya much. This is not an insult, when you have more experience in Thailand, you will understand.What more is it that I need to know about Thai ladies in Pattaya when I am getting everything I need from them without them rummaging through bank account or calling me so much emotional or mental distress to do another 20 year OG Vet describes:


Since you're still new there you'll wind up losing your stack, your gik, getting into tax trouble preceding your deportation, and you may wind up joining the prestigious Pattaya Flying Club (google it you dumb motherfucker).One OG Vet says I do not understand girls in Pattaya. Another is telling me I am going to lose all my money, get deported and kill myself.

So, what is up with this campaign from OG Vets to educate me? When I spend more time in Thailand than either of my Educators. What is in it for them to constantly talk down to me and call me a newbie who does not understand Pattaya or Thailand?

[Explorer8939]

Where do you come up with this stuff? The question is how do you get into these chicks' heads or at least think you are getting into their heads? Are your posts only about hookers? Because you tend to use ambiguos wording as if what you are saying applies to the general population. What you profess is 180 degrees from my experience whether hookers or non-hookers.

I have a girlfriend, but she always tells me to go out and butterfly. I do not pay my girlfriend and she has never asked any money of me. She works at neither a bar or a shop.

My cousin is in town for the first time and brought his actual wife and actual girlfriend from the States. They are all together. Nobody is training for anything or has certain motives in their minds.

Your relationship is what you make it to be. The relationship does not get into you. You choose the kind of relationship you want to get into. So you saying having a girlfriend or frequent hooker or wife is going to be some cookie cutter thing is ridiculous.

If I am pursuing a chick and she tells me that if I am in a relationship with her then I can no longer eat steak and have to give her godmother $100/ month, then guess what I am free to do? Not get into the fucking relationship! Enough of this acting like someone is trapping you into being part of something you are not signing up to be in.Given the nature of this board, I am talking about bar girls.

In general, however, if a Thai man has a girlfriend, and he goes with another lady, the consequences may be death. Farangs, not so much, because they don't count as real boyfriends, unless they are young hansum man.

[Chop]

Given the nature of this board, I am talking about bar girls.

In general, however, if a Thai man has a girlfriend, and he goes with another lady, the consequences may be death.*Not* in the nature of this board, I live way up north near the Lao border. The number of Thai guys who've invited me to visit their homes *and second families* on the Lao side is mind blowing. At least it was at first. Now I've kind of gotten used to the fact that Thai men don't give two shits if wife #1 knows about wife #2. Seems to me that as long as both families are taken care of (simply housed, fed, school fees, etc.) it's just a shoulder shrug about the other family and that's the way life goes. The ladies don't make a fuss, and none of the guys seem to be fearing for their lives at all.

Different class of both men and women I suppose (not 20-something bar girls and similarly aged pseudo-pimps).

[Mr Enternational]

Given the nature of this board, I am talking about bar girls.So if you are only talking about hookers, why do any of your questions matter? Nobody goes to a dentist and worries about all these things. Why the concern if the service is coming from a hooker? We are paying to fuck them sir. We are not paying to worry about whatever other shit they have going on in their lives.

[Explorer8939]

*Not* in the nature of this board, I live way up north near the Lao border. The number of Thai guys who've invited me to visit their homes *and second families* on the Lao side is mind blowing. At least it was at first. Now I've kind of gotten used to the fact that Thai men don't give two shits if wife #1 knows about wife #2. Seems to me that as long as both families are taken care of (simply housed, fed, school fees, etc.) it's just a shoulder shrug about the other family and that's the way life goes. The ladies don't make a fuss, and none of the guys seem to be fearing for their lives at all.

Different class of both men and women I suppose (not 20-something bar girls and similarly aged pseudo-pimps).That's unusual for Thailand. Maybe it's related to Lao culture. I don't know much about that.

I knew a lady in Pattaya who became a mia noi (Mistress) for some local politician. His wife eventually found out, and threatened my lady friend, who had to leave town.