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Nick3345
08-15-20, 18:16
Bro,

Where did you find this news from? Which article? Source of information? It's hard to believe since human trafficking laws.Which laws?

Karton114
08-17-20, 10:11
Hello all,

Got the chance to try this place Angel, a set up near mccowan street, near Markham. They showed some new girls, mostly Asians and I chose this one Jo because others were tired mostly. This JoJo was not so good looking but still I went ahead. Her medium pressure massage was good. After that took service, everything was available but I didn't feel nice, because she was doing in a mechanical way. I don't know if I was unlucky. But check other girls.

Karton114
08-17-20, 10:13
Which laws?Human trafficking I mean.

Karton114
08-18-20, 14:23
Hello all,

Got the chance to try this place Angel, a set up near mccowan street, near Markham. They showed some new girls, mostly Asians and I chose this one Jo because others were tired mostly. This JoJo was not so good looking but still I went ahead. Her medium pressure massage was good. After that took service, everything was available but I didn't feel nice, because she was doing in a mechanical way. I don't know if I was unlucky. But check other girls.Forgot to add the price which I paid was around 60 dollars for an hour of appointment.

Turgid
08-19-20, 21:40
Forgot to add the price which I paid was around 60 dollars for an hour of appointment.$60 for an hour of massage and sex in Toronto? I didn't think that was possible. That price is very affordable.

Zeos1
08-19-20, 22:21
$60 for an hour of massage and sex in Toronto? I didn't think that was possible. That price is very affordable.My guess. An educated guess. Is that the $60 is the room fee, which might include basic fully clothed massage, and the add ONS would be another $40, $60, or $80 depending on a lot of things.

Norbert61
08-31-20, 14:12
My guess. An educated guess. Is that the $60 is the room fee, which might include basic fully clothed massage, and the add ONS would be another $40, $60, or $80 depending on a lot of things.Ya the $60 is the room fee and the massage. If you are looking to get laid you will probably be cheaper seeing an escort agency girl- you sometimes can get useful information from the review boards about particular girls at particular spas but it is spotty. Most of the Toronto spa girls will do full service but the service can be all over the map. Some only do HJ or CBJ and you can't ask when booking. They cannot tell you about services. If they do they are trafficking -so you might spend 60 bucks for a lame ass massage and then decide if you want to pop your load in a handjob for another 60- or everything could be on the table. So to speak- so your best bet is reviews if you can find them but again- the spas are often sponsors and will get the reviews pulled.

Zeos1
09-01-20, 02:26
Ya the $60 is the room fee and the massage. If you are looking to get laid you will probably be cheaper seeing an escort agency girl- you sometimes can get useful information from the review boards about particular girls at particular spas but it is spotty. Most of the Toronto spa girls will do full service but the service can be all over the map. Some only do HJ or CBJ and you can't ask when booking. They cannot tell you about services. If they do they are trafficking -so you might spend 60 bucks for a lame ass massage and then decide if you want to pop your load in a handjob for another 60- or everything could be on the table. So to speak- so your best bet is reviews if you can find them but again- the spas are often sponsors and will get the reviews pulled.There are pretty well defined options. Nude, nude reverse, body slide, VIP. Nude is the women gives you the massage and happy ending nude. Nude reverse you can touch and or give her a massage as well and get hand job happy ending, body slide the provider uses her body to do some of the massage and happy ending. Lots of variations there, but all but no penetration by penis. And sometimes another term like VIP is used for the body slide. OR. They may just offer you the other full service type options, BJ, or normal FS. But for that you may well end up at a couple of hundred dollars, or more. Whereas the others are usually in the range of 140 to 180 or so all in.

Turgid
09-01-20, 14:01
There are pretty well defined options. Nude, nude reverse, body slide, VIP. Nude is the women gives you the massage and happy ending nude. Nude reverse you can touch and or give her a massage as well and get hand job happy ending, body slide the provider uses her body to do some of the massage and happy ending. Lots of variations there, but all but no penetration by penis. And sometimes another term like VIP is used for the body slide. OR. They may just offer you the other full service type options, BJ, or normal FS. But for that you may well end up at a couple of hundred dollars, or more. Whereas the others are usually in the range of 140 to 180 or so all in.For me the nude, nude reverse, body slide, VIP and happy ending nude will be appreciated if they come with a good body massage.

ProbzProbz
09-01-20, 17:17
Ya the $60 is the room fee and the massage. If you are looking to get laid you will probably be cheaper seeing an escort agency girl- you sometimes can get useful information from the review boards about particular girls at particular spas but it is spotty. Most of the Toronto spa girls will do full service but the service can be all over the map. Some only do HJ or CBJ and you can't ask when booking. They cannot tell you about services. If they do they are trafficking -so you might spend 60 bucks for a lame ass massage and then decide if you want to pop your load in a handjob for another 60- or everything could be on the table. So to speak- so your best bet is reviews if you can find them but again- the spas are often sponsors and will get the reviews pulled.There are indies who nude reverse if you need penetration option.

Berol Loz
10-27-20, 18:36
There are indies who nude reverse if you need penetration option.Yes, most of the full service is outside the downtown area. North York (roughly the area south of the northern border of Toronto to about Sheppard Avenue) is home to a lot of the spas known for full service. Some names that come to mind are Seduction or Premier spas. Both have a mix of white and almost all other kinds of ladies. The door fee is higher (100-200) and then there are tips on top of that. For that, you're getting a nude massage and anything else (bbj, full service, etc.) is extra tips.

This gives a good breakdown of the area: https://www.toronto.xxx/blog/massage-north-york.

Keep in mind we're in the middle of Covid so the might be closing anytime like they did in the spring. Expect to have your temperature checked, and Premier is asking people to book online in advance, so maybe avoid that place if you don't want your phone number on file with them.

Zomex1
11-21-20, 02:50
I'll be settling in Toronto and wanted to know if budget escorts are available. All my research is leading me to a range that starts from 200. Any cheaper option available?

DaruDesi89
11-22-20, 12:15
I'll be settling in Toronto and wanted to know if budget escorts are available. All my research is leading me to a range that starts from 200. Any cheaper option available?Lots of cheaper options available if you're okay with Asians and middle aged. Check local ad websites like leolist with options. Remember to not pay gift cards or advance payment before seeing. Lotta scams too.

IluvJuicy
11-25-20, 04:00
I am 36 yo and planning to move to Canada next year but I am really not sure about the sex scene there. Honestly, the fear of dried up sex options in Canada is holding me back from moving there. I tried looking up on internet but still can't conclude if I will have good time living in Canada with lots of budget quality sex. Could you guys please tell me from your experiences what is the scene there? If I earn 6 k to 7 k per month in Ontario, will it be good enough for decent sex life like once in a week? TIA.

Seraph2099
11-26-20, 19:24
I am 36 yo and planning to move to Canada next year but I am really not sure about the sex scene there. Honestly, the fear of dried up sex options in Canada is holding me back from moving there. I tried looking up on internet but still can't conclude if I will have good time living in Canada with lots of budget quality sex. Could you guys please tell me from your experiences what is the scene there? If I earn 6 k to 7 k per month in Ontario, will it be good enough for decent sex life like once in a week? TIA.Depends on the quality of life you want to live and the quality of girls you want to see. I used 6 k as you monthly earnings and assumed it was CAD and that it is pre-tax. So that means your monthly take home is going to be about 4500.

Rent 2100 a month for a 1 bedroom (you could probably get a studio for 1800 or so).

Cell 50 a month.

Internet 60 a month.

Hydro 40 a month.

Food 100 a week.

After these expenses you'll have 1850 leftover. Girls here are about 200 an hour on the lower end and 500 on the higher end. You should probably budget 250/ week as that's what most agencies charge for an hour. That means you would have 850 per month left over for savings. Obvious these numbers change based on your preferences and personal budget. If you were okay living with roommates for example rent could be about $1000.

Zeos1
11-26-20, 23:10
Depends on the quality of life you want to live and the quality of girls you want to see. I used 6 k as you monthly earnings and assumed it was CAD and that it is pre-tax. So that means your monthly take home is going to be about 4500.

Rent 2100 a month for a 1 bedroom (you could probably get a studio for 1800 or so).

Cell 50 a month.

Internet 60 a month.

Hydro 40 a month.

Food 100 a week.

After these expenses you'll have 1850 leftover. Girls here are about 200 an hour on the lower end and 500 on the higher end. You should probably budget 250/ week as that's what most agencies charge for an hour. That means you would have 850 per month left over for savings. Obvious these numbers change based on your preferences and personal budget. If you were okay living with roommates for example rent could be about $1000.Hmm. Living cost may be somewhat to a lot higher. Food at 100 per week, as long as you cook everything yourself and never eat out. Internet, cell, hydro, other utilities. All more than that. I don't think you could live in downtown Toronto for much less than 50-60 grand per year, and that would be without owning a vehicle. $4,500 take home would not even come close in my opinion.

Seraph2099
11-27-20, 09:23
Hmm. Living cost may be somewhat to a lot higher. Food at 100 per week, as long as you cook everything yourself and never eat out. Internet, cell, hydro, other utilities. All more than that. I don't think you could live in downtown Toronto for much less than 50-60 grand per year, and that would be without owning a vehicle. $4,500 take home would not even come close in my opinion.I took a guess on the hydro. I don't pay the hydro where I am. But the other costs are roughly what I currently pay. I'm with freedom for my phone and a cable internet reseller. Ya, you can easily pay 100 a month for the phone and 100 for the internet if you go with Rogers.

This wasn't supposed to be his budget. His budget will be based on what he wants his lifestyle to be like. It was supposed to get him to think about how he will budget his life in Toronto if he makes a move. Personally for me $850 a month in rainy day fund savings would not cut it and I would reduce the hobbying to once a month if I was making 72 K a year trying to live in toronto.

Norbert61
11-28-20, 16:54
I am 36 yo and planning to move to Canada next year but I am really not sure about the sex scene there. Honestly, the fear of dried up sex options in Canada is holding me back from moving there. I tried looking up on internet but still can't conclude if I will have good time living in Canada with lots of budget quality sex. Could you guys please tell me from your experiences what is the scene there? If I earn 6 k to 7 k per month in Ontario, will it be good enough for decent sex life like once in a week? TIA.Ontario is about the size of Germany and France combined. Where in Ontario? Lots of places are cheaper but your hobbying choices will be fewer.

IluvJuicy
11-28-20, 19:35
Thanks Serap for the detail breakdown of the approx expenses in Toronto. Looks like I will have to compromise on my mongering in Canada to some extent.

IluvJuicy
11-28-20, 19:45
Ontario is about the size of Germany and France combined. Where in Ontario? Lots of places are cheaper but your hobbying choices will be fewer.In or around Kitchener. I am fine with cheap girls as long as they are not crackhead as I rarely do FS. In fact I like cheap sluts who are poor.

What about college girls offering sex in return of tuition fees or house rent. Does it happen more often?

IluvJuicy
11-30-20, 04:35
In or around Kitchener. I am fine with cheap girls as long as they are not crackhead as I rarely do FS. In fact I like cheap sluts who are poor.

What about college girls offering sex in return of tuition fees or house rent. Does it happen more often?I mean the university students above 20. And regarding cheap girls, I am not much bothered about the looks and the hotness, I care only for hygiene. On an average, in 1 out of 30 girls, I will go for FS but for others, I only do wet humping on the booty.

Seraph2099
11-30-20, 23:10
In or around Kitchener. I am fine with cheap girls as long as they are not crackhead as I rarely do FS. In fact I like cheap sluts who are poor.

What about college girls offering sex in return of tuition fees or house rent. Does it happen more often?You posted in the Toronto forum so I assumed you were looking at moving to Toronto. Cost of living in Kitchener is significantly less. Girls are roughly the same price though. You could probably find a 1 BR apartment for about $1600. Girls if you're looking for the college / university types maybe $220-$240 for an hour. Kitchener can be a bit slummy however. There are a lot of bad areas.

Zeos1
12-01-20, 23:19
In or around Kitchener. I am fine with cheap girls as long as they are not crackhead as I rarely do FS. In fact I like cheap sluts who are poor.

What about college girls offering sex in return of tuition fees or house rent. Does it happen more often?No, it doesn't happen often. And if it did you would be in a very risky situation. It can easily turn around and if you are accused of demanding sex in exchange for rental accommodation you would be lucky to get out of jail before they graduate.

Turgid
12-06-20, 14:34
No, it doesn't happen often. And if it did you would be in a very risky situation. It can easily turn around and if you are accused of demanding sex in exchange for rental accommodation you would be lucky to get out of jail before they graduate.Giving college girls money for rent and other necessities in exchange for sex happens millions of times all over the world including Canada. For example, Seeking Arrangement is legal, isn't it?

Zeos1
12-06-20, 15:12
Giving college girls money for rent and other necessities in exchange for sex happens millions of times all over the world including Canada. For example, Seeking Arrangement is legal, isn't it?Yep. SA is an option, but that is not about you as a landlord providing a place to live in exchange for sex. You can be a sugar daddy, and you could give her money for her rent somewhere else.

My caution is mixing "rent" with sexual favors. There are landlords that have been charged with demanding sex in exchange for rent and that is a sure fire way to end up in the crowbar hotel. A landlord is considered to be in a position of power, and using a position of power to extract sexual benefits earns you a sexual assault conviction with the same results as a rape. If you own a house, and someone wants to rent and pay you with sex I would be very very careful.

Mongerer88
12-06-20, 15:15
Giving college girls money for rent and other necessities in exchange for sex happens millions of times all over the world including Canada. For example, Seeking Arrangement is legal, isn't it?Rent in exchange for sex can be viewed as a crime in Canada.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/sex-for-rent-1.5554415

"It's really more about the balance of power in the landlord-tenant relationship," Flight said, pointing out that a spurned landlord could try to evict a tenant.

Flight said for a single mother or low-income student, that prospect could compel them to accept the request when they otherwise wouldn't.

The overwhelming majority of respondents to the survey identified as women under the age of 34.

Const. James Cadigan, spokesperson for the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary, said consent can't be provided if there's an abuse of authority or trust at play. "Sex acts are to be voluntary," he said.

Depending on the case, he said, that could mean laying criminal charges against a landlord engaging in these arrangements."

Of course, the USA Views it more clearly as a crime than Canada does.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/us-attorney-issues-warning-landlords-don-t-demand-sexual-favors-financially-strapped

Turgid
12-07-20, 13:06
Rent in exchange for sex can be viewed as a crime in Canada.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/sex-for-rent-1.5554415

"It's really more about the balance of power in the landlord-tenant relationship," Flight said, pointing out that a spurned landlord could try to evict a tenant.

Flight said for a single mother or low-income student, that prospect could compel them to accept the request when they otherwise wouldn't.

The overwhelming majority of respondents to the survey identified as women under the age of 34.

Const. James Cadigan, spokesperson for the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary, said consent can't be provided if there's an abuse of authority or trust at play. "Sex acts are to be voluntary," he said.

Depending on the case, he said, that could mean laying criminal charges against a landlord engaging in these arrangements."

Of course, the USA Views it more clearly as a crime than Canada does.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/us-attorney-issues-warning-landlords-don-t-demand-sexual-favors-financially-strappedYou and Zeos are landlords in Canada? Then be careful. The rest of us here are mongers who travel to other countries for sex and don't own properties in those countries. Where the student pussy at?

IluvJuicy
12-12-20, 03:20
You posted in the Toronto forum so I assumed you were looking at moving to Toronto. Cost of living in Kitchener is significantly less. Girls are roughly the same price though. You could probably find a 1 BR apartment for about $1600. Girls if you're looking for the college / university types maybe $220-$240 for an hour. Kitchener can be a bit slummy however. There are a lot of bad areas.I don't have rights to open a new thread so wrote here.

Zeos1
12-12-20, 13:43
You and Zeos are landlords in Canada? Then be careful. The rest of us here are mongers who travel to other countries for sex and don't own properties in those countries. Where the student pussy at?Juicy was asking about doing something like that. Getting students to live in his place in exchange for sex. The warning was not to do that.

Turgid
12-12-20, 15:19
Juicy was asking about doing something like that. Getting students to live in his place in exchange for sex. The warning was not to do that.Two consenting adults living in an apartment, one of whom is the owner or tenant of the apartment, having sex is wrong? Then the majority of Canadians should be in jail.

Zeos1
12-12-20, 21:26
Two consenting adults living in an apartment, one of whom is the owner or tenant of the apartment, having sex is wrong? Then the majority of Canadians should be in jail.Hey go for it. Have fun.

But if one person has power over another there is no such thing as consent. That is the problem. Anyway, just trying to help out someone who asked a question and your opinion is different on it. That's great.

Turgid
12-13-20, 15:32
Hey go for it. Have fun.

But if one person has power over another there is no such thing as consent.......A man with money has power over a woman who wants money.

Zeos1
12-13-20, 21:48
A man with money has power over a woman who wants money.Yep. And a woman with pussy has power over a man who wants pussy.

NicFrenchy
12-17-20, 03:28
Rent in exchange for sex can be viewed as a crime in Canada.It's sad how Canada is becoming more and more like the USA.

Why not let 2 consenting adults decide what business transaction works for them? What if a tenant is very happy with having sex with their landlord to save money?

Why this obsession with victimization? Must there always be a victim in every transaction? Or an offender?

Turgid
12-18-20, 13:27
.............What if a tenant is very happy with having sex with their landlord to save money?..........Who is to know that he / she is having sex with their landlord for money? To the outside world it is just two adults living together. Are Canadian government officials peeping toms?

NicFrenchy
12-18-20, 14:07
Who is to know that he / she is having sex with their landlord for money? To the outside world it is just two adults living together. Are Canadian government officials peeping toms?That seems to be the central question, how is it determined? Does one party file a complaint because the other party did not honor the agreement?

Zeos1
12-18-20, 16:46
That seems to be the central question, how is it determined? Does one party file a complaint because the other party did not honor the agreement?It is a problem only if the tenant makes it a problem. But, it is likely that a tenant would know their rights, and if there is any dispute, or if it was a set up from the beginning, then the landlord is at a huge disadvantage. Basically all if takes is an accusation that she was pressured into it because she needed a place, and the landlord is screwed. Even if it was totally consensual to begin with. So my initial response to this subject was really. Why take that chance. You, as a landlord, will be in a no win position, and there is really no defense when someone says "well, I felt pressured to do it". And, if the charges stick you would be, at best, vulnerable to a large civil suite, or at worst convicted of a crime and all that goes with that.

So really. Why bother thinking about this sort of arrangement. Just stick to escorts, massage places, strip clubs, on line ads. Whatever, and don't get in a potentially no-win scenario.

Turgid
12-19-20, 14:06
It is a problem only if the tenant makes it a problem. But, it is likely that a tenant would know their rights, and if there is any dispute, or if it was a set up from the beginning, then the landlord is at a huge disadvantage. Basically all if takes is an accusation that she was pressured into it because she needed a place, and the landlord is screwed. Even if it was totally consensual to begin with. So my initial response to this subject was really. Why take that chance. You, as a landlord, will be in a no win position, and there is really no defense when someone says "well, I felt pressured to do it". And, if the charges stick you would be, at best, vulnerable to a large civil suite, or at worst convicted of a crime and all that goes with that.

So really. Why bother thinking about this sort of arrangement. Just stick to escorts, massage places, strip clubs, on line ads. Whatever, and don't get in a potentially no-win scenario.Lets say I own an apartment in Toronto. I meet a young woman and ask her to come live with me and she agrees. I have a job and she is either a student or has a low paying job. After some months we have an argument and she leaves. She then takes me to court which prosecutes me for having a woman living with me while paying no rent. It is only a country that is even more unjust than the most despotic Middle Eastern State that would punish me for so doing.

Mongerer88
12-19-20, 14:45
Lets say I own an apartment in Toronto. I meet a young woman and ask her to come live with me and she agrees. I have a job and she is either a student or has a low paying job. After some months we have an argument and she leaves. She then takes me to court which prosecutes me for having a woman living with me while paying no rent. It is only a country that is even more unjust than the most despotic Middle Eastern State that would punish me for so doing.It isn't the 99 out of 100 that will ruin your life. It is the 1 out of a 100, so it is dangerous in any western country to not respect the Form of how you do something, instead of the Substance. Los Angeles does not go after Sugar Babies or independent escorts who screen. The Sheriff a long time ago simply stated that, much to everyone's surprise. He said the police would never book an incall appointment with a private escort who has a screening mechanism, absent evidence of other crimes. LA is very intolerant of escort agencies, but that is a different matter. Which brings us to Harvey Weinstein. A very rich man who could have had sex with a true multitude of independent escorts and sugar babies. He didn't, instead choosing to trade actress roles and screenplay acceptances for sex. 99 out of 100 times there was true consent and it was a business deal. Fuck, a not insignificant number of them did escorting and sugaring on the side. That is where LA's high-end escorts come from. Those trying to make it in the movies. It was the 1 in 100 that has caused the guy to go to jail for life. He would have been fine if he kept sex out of his work life and simply purchased sex with his own earnings. Even when he came across the same lady as an escort, he needed to take out a piece of paper and illustrate the dividing line. Canada actually has draconian laws regarding sex when a woman is viewed as not giving consent. Legally, a landlord being able to evict a lady who doesn't have sex with him looks terrible. It isn't a big deal if that landlord takes the rent money and goes to see a sex worker who advertises. And it isn't a big deal if that female tenant does an incall session with a separate customer to get the money to pay that rent. But the landlord and tenant have a line that can't be crossed, just like Harvey did when deciding which lady should be third from the left in the Porky's shower scene. Cross that line and you might end up like Harvey, whether you think that is stupid or not. It just takes one lady to ruin your life.

Zeos1
12-19-20, 20:13
Lets say I own an apartment in Toronto. I meet a young woman and ask her to come live with me and she agrees. I have a job and she is either a student or has a low paying job. After some months we have an argument and she leaves. She then takes me to court which prosecutes me for having a woman living with me while paying no rent. It is only a country that is even more unjust than the most despotic Middle Eastern State that would punish me for so doing.You don't get it. What you describe is a girlfriend. If she wasn't paying rent and it never was a rental situation it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

But if it was a student who was looking for a place to live, and you or her offered that deal, then you are potentially in trouble. It's the power dynamic.

She doesn't take you to court for living with you and paying no rent. She files a complaint that you demanded sex in exchange for her getting the place, for part or all of the rent, or for not getting evicted. I think there would have to be a landlord / tenant relationship established to use this, not merely an unhappy girlfriend. But I'm not a lawyer. So.

Turgid
12-20-20, 15:21
You don't get it. What you describe is a girlfriend. If she wasn't paying rent and it never was a rental situation it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

But if it was a student who was looking for a place to live, and you or her offered that deal, then you are potentially in trouble. It's the power dynamic.

She doesn't take you to court for living with you and paying no rent. She files a complaint that you demanded sex in exchange for her getting the place, for part or all of the rent, or for not getting evicted. I think there would have to be a landlord / tenant relationship established to use this, not merely an unhappy girlfriend. But I'm not a lawyer. So.Zeos owns an apartment in Toronto. Zeos meets 22 year old Gail at a party and they become boyfriend and girlfriend. Gail moves in with Zeos in his apartment. Gail is a student at York university. Zeos and Gail have an argument and and Zeos tells Gail to leave. Gail takes Zeos to court saying that he offered her rent free accommodation in exchange for sex. Zeos says it was a boyfriend girlfriend relationship not that of a landlord and tenant. Gail alleges otherwise. The court believes Gail. Zeos is punished accordingly by the Toronto court. Justice is achieved.

Sammon
12-20-20, 19:51
Zeos owns an apartment in Toronto. Zeos meets 22 year old Gail at a party and they become boyfriend and girlfriend. Gail moves in with Zeos in his apartment. Gail is a student at York university. Zeos and Gail have an argument and and Zeos tells Gail to leave. Gail takes Zeos to court saying that he offered her rent free accommodation in exchange for sex. Zeos says it was a boyfriend girlfriend relationship not that of a landlord and tenant. Gail alleges otherwise. The court believes Gail. Zeos is punished accordingly by the Toronto court. Justice is achieved.Moral of the story is get rid of old fashioned love and living together. If you do have a signed agreement. Sex is not free which was normal in western world before. Not anymore. Everything comes at a price.

No wonder I go to other countries meet and enjoy and run.

ThatGuy23
01-04-21, 14:31
Anyone know anything about Victoria Love?

Don't see anything here or The othER site.

https://mobile.twitter.com/victoriaal0ve

https://www.victorialove.ca

Mongerer88
01-04-21, 16:29
Anyone know anything about Victoria Love?

Don't see anything here or The othER site.

https://mobile.twitter.com/victoriaal0ve

https://www.victorialove.caHere is her only review from terb:

"Had the pleasure of seeing this beauty a couple of weeks ago. I've been meaning to write so here goes.

Disclaimer: She is incredibly hard to book!

She was available for an outcall on her days off work. The problem is she is always working!

The stars aligned one weekend and she was able to see me for outcall only 1 h.

The full GFE pleasure was 450 h w / 30% deposit, no problem if she looked anything like her photos I would be okay.

I hosted her for my first ever outcall ever! Nervous because I read about issues with outcalls and SP's taking donation and leaving.

Either way I had 2 bottles of wine, music, and aromatherapy working overtime before she arrived.

She arrived and I couldn't believe my eyes. She was about 5'5/6 and drop dead even better than the photos / videos.

She was wearing tight fitted athletic wear, hair up (but that would soon come down). Gave her a quick tour of my suite.

We sat and talked for a bit before she went to freshen up. Came back out looking like a Victoria secret model (see what I did there?

The photos and videos don't convey how stacked she is. Natural 34 DD's, tight cinched waist, and a Colombian booty.

We quickly take down the first bottle of wine and I am more relaxed now and she takes charge with twerking and guides me to the bed.

I lay down relaxed as she started with BBBJ. I was expecting a slow / sensual one but she did it with PSE energy!

Deep strokes, intense eye contact, spitting, dirty talk through me off guard. I was pleasantly surprised.

MPOS began, she jumped on for cow girl natural boobs in my face, then reversed enthusiastically.

We did mish then doggy and lord could she throw it back. Usually by now I would have exploded already.

Was having trouble for some reason, the wine? Over stimulated (is that even a thing?

I don't know but she noticed took charge again and gave the meanest HJ in between her boobs while making deep eye contact.

And coaching a bit. At this point I was ready and turned doggy and finished. Whew what a session, her energy and focus was relentless.

We sat and talked more over the 2nd bottle of wine. We had gone over time a bit, she wasn't concerned and I tipped her accordingly.

Really down to earth and mature for her age, well versed in many topics and a pleasure to talk to.

Would I recommend? 100%! The full GFE combined with the PSE energy is addictive. She's super friendly and down to earth.

Relentless energy and made sure I left satisfied. The only thing missing was a massage.

The only downside for real is how busy her schedule is. Also she doesn't advertise so I think she screens who she sees and picks and chooses so YMMV."

The reviewer is experienced, so it seems to be an honest review.

It was followed up by several posts from others that when she works at a certain massage parlor, she is a hard upseller, which they don't like.

So it appears that she performs really well if you pay her enough.

Zeos1
01-04-21, 20:43
Zeos owns an apartment in Toronto. Zeos meets 22 year old Gail at a party and they become boyfriend and girlfriend. Gail moves in with Zeos in his apartment. Gail is a student at York university. Zeos and Gail have an argument and and Zeos tells Gail to leave. Gail takes Zeos to court saying that he offered her rent free accommodation in exchange for sex. Zeos says it was a boyfriend girlfriend relationship not that of a landlord and tenant. Gail alleges otherwise. The court believes Gail. Zeos is punished accordingly by the Toronto court. Justice is achieved.Sure, that could happen. But it could be that if there was never an intent for it to be a rental situation Zeos would be cleared. The more likely scenario is that she comes into the picture wanting to rent a place, and subsequently ends up living there and paying no rent. Then the complaint would be a lot more difficult to deny.

Norbert61
02-09-21, 05:15
Zeos owns an apartment in Toronto. Zeos meets 22 year old Gail at a party and they become boyfriend and girlfriend. Gail moves in with Zeos in his apartment. Gail is a student at York university. Zeos and Gail have an argument and and Zeos tells Gail to leave. Gail takes Zeos to court saying that he offered her rent free accommodation in exchange for sex. Zeos says it was a boyfriend girlfriend relationship not that of a landlord and tenant. Gail alleges otherwise. The court believes Gail. Zeos is punished accordingly by the Toronto court. Justice is achieved.It would not happen like that. At all. You can always cook up a wild scenario. But a lot would have to happen after the fact. None of which is likely or I think legal. However - if this sort of thing keeps you up at night. If you have a girl cohabitate with you. Charge her rent. It can be a very minimal amount. Draw it up as room mate agreement with the apartment staying with you - $20 a month is enough. This is a very wise idea for a number of reasons.

Norbert61
02-09-21, 05:20
Here is her only review from terb:

"Had the pleasure of seeing this beauty a couple of weeks ago. I've been meaning to write so here goes.

Disclaimer: She is incredibly hard to book!

She was available for an outcall on her days off work. The problem is she is always working!

The stars aligned one weekend and she was able to see me for outcall only 1 h.

The full GFE pleasure was 450 h w / 30% deposit, no problem if she looked anything like her photos I would be okay.

I hosted her for my first ever outcall ever! Nervous because I read about issues with outcalls and SP's taking donation and leaving.

Either way I had 2 bottles of wine, music, and aromatherapy working overtime before she arrived.

She arrived and I couldn't believe my eyes. She was about 5'5/6 and drop dead even better than the photos / videos.

She was wearing tight fitted athletic wear, hair up (but that would soon come down). Gave her a quick tour of my suite.

We sat and talked for a bit before she went to freshen up. Came back out looking like a Victoria secret model (see what I did there?..Pretty pricey for these parts. If you are looking in that range you should be able to find rave reviews. You might want to look at eros.com.

Zomex1
03-06-21, 17:34
I don't find having sex with agency girls pleasurable anymore. Seems the average girl has 4 to 5 appointments a minimum and they are completely numb and operating like machines.

I have few details of girls from retail and service sector who engage very selectively but are priced higher (450 to 600); since I'm financially not of same standing anymore, I shy away meeting them. I will share contacts in dm if required.

I'll like to know if someone can guide me to avg girls (not professional sp) who charge 200 to 250, preferably university students.

Zomex1
03-07-21, 02:53
I don't find having sex with agency girls pleasurable anymore. Seems the average girl has 4 to 5 appointments a minimum and they are completely numb and operating like machines.

I have few details of girls from retail and service sector who engage very selectively but are priced higher (450 to 600); since I'm financially not of same standing anymore, I shy away meeting them. I will share contacts in dm if required.

I'll like to know if someone can guide me to avg girls (not professional sp) who charge 200 to 250, preferably university students.Sadly my membership has ended. Won't be able to receive DM.

Seraph2099
03-09-21, 08:07
Sadly my membership has ended. Won't be able to receive DM.Senior members can receive and send DMs. I think its 25 posts to be senior. Throw up some reviews.

SkyPirate2
03-09-21, 10:50
I don't find having sex with agency girls pleasurable anymore. Seems the average girl has 4 to 5 appointments a minimum and they are completely numb and operating like machines.

I have few details of girls from retail and service sector who engage very selectively but are priced higher (450 to 600); since I'm financially not of same standing anymore, I shy away meeting them. I will share contacts in dm if required.

I'll like to know if someone can guide me to avg girls (not professional sp) who charge 200 to 250, preferably university students.Have you considered Sugar Dating? Certainly here in the UK you can hook up with uni girls for 250 on a PPM basis. Have had some good experiences using this.

Zeos1
03-09-21, 16:46
I don't find having sex with agency girls pleasurable anymore. Seems the average girl has 4 to 5 appointments a minimum and they are completely numb and operating like machines.

I have few details of girls from retail and service sector who engage very selectively but are priced higher (450 to 600); since I'm financially not of same standing anymore, I shy away meeting them. I will share contacts in dm if required.

I'll like to know if someone can guide me to avg girls (not professional sp) who charge 200 to 250, preferably university students.There may be one or two. Who knows. But the general price is a lot higher than that if you're wanting a sugar baby type, or equivalent. More in the range you mentioned above. $400 and up per meet. And don't expect anyone to "guide you" to anyone.

Berol Loz
03-26-21, 22:15
Have you considered Sugar Dating? Certainly here in the UK you can hook up with uni girls for 250 on a PPM basis. Have had some good experiences using this.Yes, sites like SA are still pretty good. Though you're looking at see $300 starting now. If you're fine with older girls (like 26+) you can probably find a better deal, same if you go outside of Toronto.

WyattEarp
04-03-21, 13:38
Which brings us to Harvey Weinstein. A very rich man who could have had sex with a true multitude of independent escorts and sugar babies. He didn't, instead choosing to trade actress roles and screenplay acceptances for sex. 99 out of 100 times there was true consent and it was a business deal. Fuck, a not insignificant number of them did escorting and sugaring on the side. That is where LA's high-end escorts come from. Those trying to make it in the movies.There was a rumor years ago about a famous actress who escorted before she broke into the business. We'll call her Michelle. Mongerer, I'm pretty sure a guy with your experience has heard the same thing.

ProbzProbz
04-22-21, 14:23
Sadly my membership has ended. Won't be able to receive DM.I have had a few luck with FB dating but try little east end or North. With in the city is not worth it.

Norbert61
05-22-21, 18:27
I don't find having sex with agency girls pleasurable anymore. Seems the average girl has 4 to 5 appointments a minimum and they are completely numb and operating like machines.

I have few details of girls from retail and service sector who engage very selectively but are priced higher (450 to 600); since I'm financially not of same standing anymore, I shy away meeting them. I will share contacts in dm if required.

I'll like to know if someone can guide me to avg girls (not professional sp) who charge 200 to 250, preferably university students.LOL. I would like someone to guide me to that too. If you are talking usd you might get it for 250 us. Otherwise what you're looking for in Toronto will run 300 to 500 cdn.

Timd1644
05-24-21, 21:51
I don't find having sex with agency girls pleasurable anymore. Seems the average girl has 4 to 5 appointments a minimum and they are completely numb and operating like machines.

I have few details of girls from retail and service sector who engage very selectively but are priced higher (450 to 600); since I'm financially not of same standing anymore, I shy away meeting them. I will share contacts in dm if required.

I'll like to know if someone can guide me to avg girls (not professional sp) who charge 200 to 250, preferably university students.Try SA Its $100 USD a month for membership but you can get a number of leads on their of in that month, I stopped using agency's as well. Kept leaving disappointed.

My current girl spends 2-3 hours with me and allows me to record for $500 PPM.

Turgid
06-22-21, 20:37
This is not good:

https://springmag.ca/asian-massage-parlour-workers-speak-out-against-discriminatory-bylaw?fbclid=IwAR1C9s-Po4eQDq3Y4JJb2bPW4MXH3pnyifKYJCe9qonplxhu5dxweOJsGyo

GuyBrusg1957
08-01-21, 08:20
What agencies are you using?

For locals, if I wanted to spend a long weekend in Toronto and meet-up with some providers what would be the best place ideally? Downtown Toronto? How much should I budget for four days?

Zeos1
08-01-21, 14:36
What agencies are you using?

For locals, if I wanted to spend a long weekend in Toronto and meet-up with some providers what would be the best place ideally? Downtown Toronto? How much should I budget for four days?Anywhere in the GTA would work. Cost of providers will be in the 200's to 500 or so per hour, unless you go high end. Hotels. Have no idea with Covid pricing. But before Covid in the 250 to 500 per day.

Norbert61
09-09-21, 13:52
There may be one or two. Who knows. But the general price is a lot higher than that if you're wanting a sugar baby type, or equivalent. More in the range you mentioned above. $400 and up per meet. And don't expect anyone to "guide you" to anyone.I find that most Sugar Babies in TO are 300 to 500 - it sort of depends what you are looking for. TBH - I find that girls who are a little older and who do not look like models are usually way more fun and a way better fuck. If you like longer encounters this is a way better way to go than escorts. If you like a quick jump this is a pretty expensive way to go.

Norbert61
09-09-21, 14:01
What agencies are you using?

For locals, if I wanted to spend a long weekend in Toronto and meet-up with some providers what would be the best place ideally? Downtown Toronto? How much should I budget for four days?Downtown or near the airport is slightly more condensed in terms of agency locations and for SPs generally. The airport area is the best if all you want is hooker but presumably you want to do more than bang escorts so you probably want downtown. Sexy Friends Toronto, Hot Pink List, Top Drawer ladies etc etc. HPL is my personal fav.

You may find this helpful.

https://terb.cc/xenforo********toronto-%E2%80%BA-escort-reviews-%E2%80%BA-incall-escort-agencies.30/

GuyBrusg1957
10-01-21, 22:54
This is not good:

https://springmag.ca/asian-massage-parlour-workers-speak-out-against-discriminatory-bylaw?fbclid=IwAR1C9s-Po4eQDq3Y4JJb2bPW4MXH3pnyifKYJCe9qonplxhu5dxweOJsGyoWhat's is everyone's opinion of the Asian providers in Toronto? Do they see westerns? Any advice? The stuff on sex 8 zone and massage planet looks too good to be true.

ProbzProbz
10-05-21, 02:24
What's is everyone's opinion of the Asian providers in Toronto? Do they see westerns? Any advice? The stuff on sex 8 zone and massage planet looks too good to be true.You can try Moonwaiting and ASBVIP.

Norbert61
10-08-21, 12:00
What's is everyone's opinion of the Asian providers in Toronto? Do they see westerns? Any advice? The stuff on sex 8 zone and massage planet looks too good to be true.They will see you. A lot have restrictions against black guys- an interesting twist on the "why won't they see black guys" question here is that a lot of Asian men won't see girls that do see black guys. Regardless - I digress. Any Asian girls you see outside of an agency will have fake pictures and will almost always be way older- if you can find good reviews that is your best hope. Or stick to agencies as was mentioned before. The two mentioned before are good but they are not above using fake pics. I remember seeing a Korean agency girl one time. She was smoking hot. Way hotter than her pics. Which were fake. It seems to be a pathological defect with Asian sex workers.

GuyBrusg1957
10-14-21, 07:00
Right on, would it be worth it to visit any of the strip clubs in Toronto? What's that scene like? And is there any use into visiting the spas? It seems that extra aren't guaranteed but likely?

Norbert61
10-26-21, 04:23
Right on, would it be worth it to visit any of the strip clubs in Toronto? What's that scene like? And is there any use into visiting the spas? It seems that extra aren't guaranteed but likely?I don't do spas or strip clubs but most spa girls will at least give blow jobs, most will do FS but it is all over the map and you negotiate all the extra services in the room after you pay for the hour. Lots of guys do it. Its hard to find reviews of spa girls also so that makes it hit and miss- strip clubs are a really expensive way to do it and again it is whatever you negotiate. They are only recently opened up again so lord knows what the talent is like. At least you can have a beer and see some pussy.

GuyBrusg1957
10-27-21, 05:34
Right on. I don't really care about sex in Strip Clubs. Just looking for nice place watch girls while drinking something fancy in a posh club.

Tvataham274
12-14-21, 19:28
I visited Toronto for the first time this month. Long drive, worth it when the city you live in is as dry as the Sahara desert.

Visited One Plus One spa, QQ Spa, and an incall with SFT. Had real nuru done for the first time in my life and it was AMAZING!

So much worth it. Totally am going to go back in a couple of months.

KoreanChinese
01-08-22, 06:01
You can try Moonwaiting and ASBVIP.Stuff is true but take the reviews with a grain of salt. You get full service but the quality of it will depends on girl corise.

Unfortunately moonwaiting, one of the oldest shops was raided by the police and several girls jumped shop or left to Vancouver or Korea.

If you're in Toronto, try seduction spa for full service. Asbvip, icandy4 u, mirage and the ones you see on sex 8 is all incall services. There is also another forum called azn747 which is the most popular forum in Toronto.

HogeHoge
01-16-22, 03:45
I visited Toronto for the first time this month. Long drive, worth it when the city you live in is as dry as the Sahara desert.

Visited One Plus One spa, QQ Spa, and an incall with SFT. Had real nuru done for the first time in my life and it was AMAZING!

So much worth it. Totally am going to go back in a couple of months.One Plus One spa seems closed, at least when I visited today and the door was closed. So, I called the number listed on Google Maps, and the lady redirected me to QQ spa (http://www.qq-spa.com/menu.html) by sending the address.

As soon as I enter the ladies lined up and I was told to choose one. There were 3 available and I choose the one (Leila) who looked Asian but was local. I enjoyed talking with her while receiving the service. It was great.

Batraaa
01-18-22, 16:36
Saw some people mention SB and non agency girls as options in Toronto. New here, but happy to trade info and favours in private messages in case anyone wants to share details of those. Ideally looking for some PPM girls. Anyone have leads? I have subscription to SA but that doesn't seem to be working. Thank you.

GuyBrusg1957
01-21-22, 04:09
If I wanted to spend a long weekend in Toronto to meet some providers. What would be the ideal place? Just downtown?

Zeos1
01-21-22, 11:05
If I wanted to spend a long weekend in Toronto to meet some providers. What would be the ideal place? Just downtown?Depends what else you want to do. Right now there are no options with Covid. Everything closed, restaurants, bars, clubs. But if / when it opens up the only thing that would suggest one area over another is what other activities you want to do. Meeting providers is basically the same everywhere. They come to you or you go to them and there is no one area where they work or live.

GuyBrusg1957
01-23-22, 02:52
Don't worry, I'm still not coming down now by any means but a trip around the Spring when things will be open. I was thinking I'd probably have more options downtown and better time with transportation.

Zeos1
01-23-22, 03:19
Don't worry, I'm still not coming down now by any means but a trip around the Spring when things will be open. I was thinking I'd probably have more options downtown and better time with transportation.Guess it depends on what sort of providers you are looking for. Massage sorts of places are mostly outside of the downtown core. But higher end escorts are plentiful in condos etc. Downtown I assume. And all over the city. Strip clubs are also mostly outside of downtown, I think there is or will be only one left in the downtown area. Transportation, I have no idea. Downtown is certainly central for the subway if that's what you're talking about.

GuyBrusg1957
01-26-22, 03:31
What exactly happens at the massage places? Or is it really just an expensive massage?

Edit I just read what happens earlier in the thread. It seems hit or miss but online pictures look amazing.

Zeos1
01-26-22, 03:36
What exactly happens at the massage places? Or is it really just an expensive massage?Happy ending as the minimum. And not necessarily that expensive. Depending on what you consider expensive I guess. Full service at lots of them.