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Mongerer88
03-20-18, 01:17
Your ignorance is unbelievable, and is part of the problem...Thank you. Very kind of you.

To the best of my knowledge, educational materials for an second language are relatively inexpensive, and most ladies in South America seem to have cell phones, and apps are certainly available to help with languages, both in learning them and in translating.

You seem to advocate for American men, most of whom have good paying jobs and relatively little free time, to learn Spanish. While I agree that learning Spanish will allow an American John to have a better time in Central and South America, I make the presumption that ladies in South America are as intelligent as I am, and frankly they may have more free time than I do. So I don't think it is unrealistic to expect that they might learn a bit of English, especially if they are proposing a transaction where they want to sell something to English speakers in exchange for cash.

Now over time, as the levels of income and wealth equalize, non-Spanish speakers would have more incentive to learn more Spanish.

I notice that ladies in South America who do speak fluent English tend to get much higher rates per hour. While one is at the extreme in rates, there is an independent in Buenos Aires who seems to be getting a lot of business for herself and her friends by being able to communicate efficiently in English.

This principle is not limited to South America. In Lisbon, my favorite escort group is about 50 euros per hour more expensive than most of the local independent escorts. Some of this is the outcall transportation charge, but some of it is the convenience charge for communicating in English, and for having a group of ladies who speak English and can make the hour more enjoyable to customers. The local Lisbon escorts who speak fluent English do often charge more per hour than the local independent escorts who do not, and are more likely to advertise on sites catering to English speakers.

All I was saying was that escorts who learn English can likely earn more than those who don't. So they should be economically incentivized to learn English.

And I see economic incentives for American guys to learn Spanish. Many of the johns on ISG who get the best rate per hour in places like Medellin do in fact speak fluent Spanish and are at an enormous competitive economic advantage over those who don't. All I was saying us that it seems to me that more ladies in Central and South America would recognize this economic principle and raise their overall income by making an effort to learn more English and seek out more English-speaking customers.

I would respect any provider who does that, and I don't think the lack of prior education should be that much of a detriment. But maybe I am wrong, having received a good education. That would tend to decrease the competitive economic advantage that Spanish speaking johns have over non-Spanish speaking johns, which might tend to irritate the former. Perhaps that explains the hostility some of the guys on ISG have for The Mansion, since it caters to non-Soanish speaking johns?

Mongerer88
03-20-18, 01:27
They don't need English. All their business is conducted in Spanish. In fact my colleagues in Spanish speaking LATAM learn Portuguese as a higher priority than English because they do more business in Brazil. My Brazilian colleagues tend to study Italian and Spanish as well. I've only met one Colombian who spoke French and that's because he comes from a wealthy family and was sent abroad to study. He speaks Spanish and French (not English).

Also how does speaking English raise incomes? I mean other than working in the tourist industries I don't see it being very important. Multinationals who hire locals in LATAM don't necessarily pay them higher wages. They look at what the market pays and maybe pay a little more to attract better talent but that's about it. Unlike what some mongers do (paying $200 USD for short time with a chica), foreign investment in LATAM isn't looking to pay European or North American wages in LATAM countries.I was under the impression that if a person has a product or service to sell, and he or she can produce that product at a low cost, he would seek out the customers with the most cash to sell the product or service to them at the highest price. If the majority of those potential customers who are flush with cash primarily speak English, I would think the seller of the product or service would want to speak English to communicate with them to let them know the product or service exists, and to be able to close the deal.

Maybe I am wrong, but I am guessing the actual Pablo Escobar and the actual version of the mythical Juan Valdez spoke English.

YippieKayay
03-20-18, 02:22
I was under the impression that if a person has a product or service to sell, and he or she can produce that product at a low cost, he would seek out the customers with the most cash to sell the product or service to them at the highest price. If the majority of those potential customers who are flush with cash primarily speak English, I would think the seller of the product or service would want to speak English to communicate with them to let them know the product or service exists, and to be able to close the deal.
Yes, if you're in sales and are selling to North America you probably want to lean English but not everyone living in Colombia (or LATAM) is working in the sales department taking POs from North American customers.

Combo
03-20-18, 03:02
I was under the impression that if a person has a product or service to sell, and he or she can produce that product at a low cost, he would seek out the customers with the most cash to sell the product or service to them at the highest price. If the majority of those potential customers who are flush with cash primarily speak English, I would think the seller of the product or service would want to speak English to communicate with them to let them know the product or service exists, and to be able to close the deal.

Maybe I am wrong, but I am guessing the actual Pablo Escobar and the actual version of the mythical Juan Valdez spoke English.A lot of the women that are in the profession for a long time do end up learning English. I generally try to avoid this sub-segment as they tend to be hardened pros.

JjBee62
03-20-18, 05:17
I was under the impression that if a person has a product or service to sell, and he or she can produce that product at a low cost, he would seek out the customers with the most cash to sell the product or service to them at the highest price. If the majority of those potential customers who are flush with cash primarily speak English, I would think the seller of the product or service would want to speak English to communicate with them to let them know the product or service exists, and to be able to close the deal.

Maybe I am wrong, but I am guessing the actual Pablo Escobar and the actual version of the mythical Juan Valdez spoke English.If you have 5 customers per day who want to buy a sandwich on rye bread and 100 customers per day who want their sandwich on wheat bread, how much effort do you put into making sure you have rye bread? Consider that 3 of the 5 rye customers will take wheat if rye isn't available, but none of the wheat customers will try rye.

Most of the Colombian working girls are selling pussy 3 or 4 years before it's legal to do so. They are making money before they've ever seen a gringo. These are not business majors. They work, make money, spend money and work when they need more. If they have money they are doing something they enjoy. If they don't have money they go do something to get money. Spending money to learn English isn't on their list of priorities.

Expecting the population of a foreign country to learn your language because you believe it will benefit them is the gringo mentality many of us try to avoid. You're willing to wait in line for a (usually) older prepago just so you can talk to her. Then you're willing to pay her extra regardless of how good or bad she performs.

What makes you think these women have more free time than you do? Most have kids, have a house to clean and family to feed. Quite often they have no data on their phone, so any online app or program won't always work. Very few have extra money to take formal lessons.

Dickhead
03-20-18, 17:04
You seem to advocate for American men, most of whom have good paying jobs and relatively little free time, to learn Spanish. No, I am advocating that the public schools in the US (Colombia is part of America, BTW) start teaching foreign languages in the primary grades as is routinely done in most European countries, with the UK being one notable exception. The idea of university graduates being monoglots seems anathema to me. Either Spanish or Mandarin would seem to me to make the most sense for someone from the US to study, since they have the most speakers and since Mxico is a neighbor.

And most guys in the US have crap jobs. The median wage is less than $50 k, rents are outrageous, and going to college costs a small fortune. The current Secretary of Education, a billionaire kunt, wants to make that all worse, of course.

'I don't think the lack of prior education should be that much of a detriment. But maybe I am wrong, having received a good education.'

Yes, you are definitely wrong.

ShooBree
03-20-18, 23:44
If you have 5 customers per day who want to buy a sandwich on rye bread and 100 customers per day who want their sandwich on wheat bread, how much effort do you put into making sure you have rye bread? Consider that 3 of the 5 rye customers will take wheat if rye isn't available, but none of the wheat customers will try rye.

Most of the Colombian working girls are selling pussy 3 or 4 years before it's legal to do so. They are making money before they've ever seen a gringo. These are not business majors. They work, make money, spend money and work when they need more. If they have money they are doing something they enjoy. If they don't have money they go do something to get money. Spending money to learn English isn't on their list of priorities.

Expecting the population of a foreign country to learn your language because you believe it will benefit them is the gringo mentality many of us try to avoid. You're willing to wait in line for a (usually) older prepago just so you can talk to her. Then you're willing to pay her extra regardless of how good or bad she performs.

What makes you think these women have more free time than you do? Most have kids, have a house to clean and family to feed. Quite often they have no data on their phone, so any online app or program won't always work. Very few have extra money to take formal lessons.I'm sorry but I'm tired of the mentality that says that Colombians / Latinos / people from third world countries can't, shouldn't or have no need to learn English. I think that it's called "the racism of low expectations".

English isn't even my second language and I do much prefer to speak in Spanish than English, so to me they can remain ignorant. But where I'm from small children are taught English in school from an early age, why? Could it be that we as a people and country recognise the need to be able to speak English in a global world?

Colombians should learn English and it has nothing to do with what you native English speakers think.

Dickhead
03-21-18, 09:10
Here is what a recent poster said about this subject: 'I speak Spanish almost fluently, not quite--but close! And it does help A LOT in Medellin!

Languages are a skill, an asset, a resource. The more languages you know, the better your life will be. Just as the more math you know, the more whatever you know, the better off you are. Ignorance is not bliss. I found that I could obtain some language skills without investing any additional time, by listening to radio or tapes while doing other things. Back when there used to be actual newspapers, instead of spending fifteen or twenty minutes reading an English newspaper, I spent fifteen or twenty minutes reading a Spanish one. Didn't get as far through it, especially at first, but I wasn't spending extra time. That was back when I was pretty busy. I will admit, learning Italian after I was retired was easier than learning Spanish while I was still working. I also had the advantage of starting the language learning process fairly early, when I was eleven years old.

JjBee62
03-21-18, 13:19
I'm sorry but I'm tired of the mentality that says that Colombians / Latinos / people from third world countries can't, shouldn't or have no need to learn English. I think that it's called "the racism of low expectations".

English isn't even my second language and I do much prefer to speak in Spanish than English, so to me they can remain ignorant. But where I'm from small children are taught English in school from an early age, why? Could it be that we as a people and country recognise the need to be able to speak English in a global world?

Colombians should learn English and it has nothing to do with what you native English speakers think.And I'm tired of people who expect something from nothing.

Can't learn English? I know they can. Shouldn't learn English? Should and shouldn't are subjective. You get to decide what you should do. You can suggest what you think others should do. You don't get to determine what others must do. Have no need to learn English? For the majority that is true. Just as the majority of the people I grew up with in the Midwestern US had no need to learn Spanish. A second language is not a necessity, it's a luxury, especially in a country surrounded by Spanish speaking (except Brazil) countries.

Perhaps Colombians should learn English, just like kids in the US should learn Spanish or Mandarin. However, you blame the lack on the individual Colombian, while admitting bilingual education in your country is clearly a government initiative.

Making Colombian schools bilingual, requires money. The prepagos this discussion is about don't have the money and they certainly didn't have the money when they were starting their education. The government probably could find the money, could require all teachers to become fluent in English and in 15 to 20 years perhaps 30% of Colombians would be able to handle basic communication in English.

The majority won't become fluent for many years because the vast majority of Colombians rarely have any need to talk to someone in English.

Go walk around Manrique, Paris or Llanaditas and tell the residents they need to find the money to teach their children English. Tell the prepagos you're with that instead of buying clothes or food for their kids they need to spend the money on English classes. Better yet, go to Bogota, spend about $2 million USD convincing politicians to push a bilingual education initiative and offer to provide $50 million more to get the program started. Politicians tend to get really excited about these type of things when their pockets are filled.

It's call "racism of privilege. " The US is full of it. I don't believe Colombians are incapable of learning a second language. I've spent part of the last year teaching English to a few who wanted to learn, without charging for my time. I believe, given the opportunity they can accomplish anything.

Racism of privilege is "why can't they be like me?" Did you grow up with a television, telephone, air conditioning and / or heating? How about with electricity and running water? A real roof instead of a sheet of tin held down by rocks? Did you sleep in a real bed, or was it on a piece of foam rubber thrown on the floor? How many kilometers did you have to walk uphill after school each day? How far did you have to carry bags of rice and beans, also uphill, so your family could eat?

Chances are you can't imagine what it's like to grow up in the poorest neighborhoods of a third world country. We take everything for granted, because what we needed has always been available. Most of us rarely interact with the poorest people, with the exception of the girls who come down to sell us pussy. They look at an average hotel room as if it's a 5 star suite because it has hot water. Imagine considering warm water a luxury. They post so many balcony, pool and jacuzzi selfies because where they come from this is unimaginable opulence.

Many of the prepagos could spend their money better and use some of it to learn English. Instead, they waste it on tattoos or taking their friends and family to a finca.

Then again, why? They don't want to be with an old gringo who only knows 20 words of Spanish. They aren't fucking us for our charm, wit and good looks. And no matter how many times they say it none of them love your penis. Everyone they want to be around speaks Spanish.

Which means, if you want them to want to be around you, it's in your best interest to learn their language.

JjBee62
03-22-18, 04:29
I'm sorry but I'm tired of the mentality that says that Colombians / Latinos / people from third world countries can't, shouldn't or have no need to learn English. I think that it's called "the racism of low expectations".

English isn't even my second language and I do much prefer to speak in Spanish than English, so to me they can remain ignorant. But where I'm from small children are taught English in school from an early age, why? Could it be that we as a people and country recognise the need to be able to speak English in a global world?

Colombians should learn English and it has nothing to do with what you native English speakers think.And one other thing.

Most of the Colombian prepagos aren't thinking about long-term benefits of investments in education. They might spend some money going to a beauty school as their plan be once the prepago gig starts slowing down, but most won't keep a job.

Telling them that spending time and money to learn English will help them earn more is a waste of time. They are only interested in money now.

Most have Pretty Woman syndrome. They just know that some rich, good looking guy is going to come along and put them in a mansion and they'll live happily ever after.

While it would be great if they would all learn English, it isn't going to happen. It will always be the responsibility of the traveler to learn the native tongue if they want to improve communication with the natives.

Combo
03-22-18, 15:21
I'm sorry but I'm tired of the mentality that says that Colombians / Latinos / people from third world countries can't, shouldn't or have no need to learn English. I think that it's called "the racism of low expectations".

English isn't even my second language and I do much prefer to speak in Spanish than English, so to me they can remain ignorant. But where I'm from small children are taught English in school from an early age, why? Could it be that we as a people and country recognise the need to be able to speak English in a global world?

Colombians should learn English and it has nothing to do with what you native English speakers think.WTF. You're obsessed. Why don't you lobby the Colombian Government to push English education? My guess is they have plenty of other priorities right now.

Whether it would behoove them (or not) to push English, that's their decision, not yours.

BayBoy
03-23-18, 04:24
I've been coming to Colombia for the past 10 years. Made about 15 trips there. It seems to me that theres more English spoken now than 10 years ago. Maybe the people are adjusting to tourists from English speaking countries or more English is being taught in school. Don't know, but I've seen a difference.

ShooBree
03-23-18, 04:36
WTF. You're obsessed. Why don't you lobby the Colombian Government to push English education? My guess is they have plenty of other priorities right now.

Whether it would behoove them (or not) to push English, that's their decision, not yours.You are obsessed by me. It's not healthy. It's not your decision to decide what I'm supposed to write or think.

Dickhead
03-23-18, 11:24
I notice the same thing in Spain, and attribute it to the internet, plus the diffusion of popular music via Spotify and Pandora and such.

Rocinha
03-23-18, 11:42
Here is what a recent poster said about this subject: 'I speak Spanish almost fluently, not quite--but close! And it does help A LOT in Medellin!

Languages are a skill, an asset, a resource. The more languages you know, the better your life will be. Just as the more math you know, the more whatever you know, the better off you are. Ignorance is not bliss. I found that I could obtain some language skills without investing any additional time, by listening to radio or tapes while doing other things. Back when there used to be actual newspapers, instead of spending fifteen or twenty minutes reading an English newspaper, I spent fifteen or twenty minutes reading a Spanish one. Didn't get as far through it, especially at first, but I wasn't spending extra time. That was back when I was pretty busy. I will admit, learning Italian after I was retired was easier than learning Spanish while I was still working. I also had the advantage of starting the language learning process fairly early, when I was eleven years old.I agree with your comments. Language is important. I speak Spanish and Portuguese and believe that learning a foreign language is a form of mental gymnastics. There is growing evidence that speaking a foreign language can delay the onset of dementia.

There is also the issue of respect. When visiting another country it is good to show that your can speak their language and in general your language learning efforts will be appreciated and respected. Speaking their language opens up a whole new world.

Dccpa
03-23-18, 21:28
I agree with your comments. Language is important. I speak Spanish and Portuguese and believe that learning a foreign language is a form of mental gymnastics. There is growing evidence that speaking a foreign language can delay the onset of dementia. There is also the issue of respect. When visiting another country it is good to show that your can speak their language and in general your language learning efforts will be appreciated and respected. Speaking their language opens up a whole new world.

Case in point. Years ago, my sisters and I were visiting family in Europe. We made a 3 day side trip to Paris. I had taken French in high school and made attempts to speak the language. The Parisians were polite to me, but rude to my sisters.

Also agree that learning languages helps keep the brain. Recently I read the results of a long term study about the health effects of eating leafy green vegetables. Participants who ate an average of 1.3 servings of leafy green vegetables daily had brains that were eleven years younger than those that didn't eat leafy green vegetables. Hello Spinach!

It looks like several countries have added English to their curriculum. Vietnam calls it project 2020. Cuba was per a Cuban who stated in a Youtube video that they used to teach Russian in schools and now they teach English. Colombian was from a Youtube video interview of someone who was teaching English in Colombia. It really would make sense if there was an international language and English is the language of international business. Maybe take the better parts of English and come up with a new international language.

Wolf662
03-23-18, 23:14
Downtown.

When you're alone, and life is making you lonely.

You can always go.

Downtown.

When you've got worries, all the noise and the hurry.

Seems to help, I know.

Downtown.

Just listen to the music of the traffic in the city.

Linger on the sidewalk where the street girls are pretty.

How can you lose? -It's only $10!

The lights are much brighter there.

You can forget all your troubles, forget all your cares.

So go downtown, things'll be great when you're.

Downtown, no finer place for sure.

Downtown everything's waiting for you.

Downtown.

Iguana Six
03-24-18, 23:48
Downtown.

When you're alone, and life is making you lonely.

You can always go.

Downtown.


Downtown.Your post was a breath of fresh air after the stale posts of the last few days! Kudos!

Dickhead
03-25-18, 09:26
come up with a new international language.They tried that. It was called Esperanto. Didn't work.

PepolesBuddy
04-14-18, 23:22
Why is the fucking peso getting stronger vs. US dollar? Oil prices have not increased that much. And I want the old 1 usd = 3.000 peso so I can get better value.

Dickhead
04-15-18, 10:47
It is the dollar getting weaker. Dollar down 18% against the euro since Trump was elected and began running his mouth. Oil prices up nearly 30%. Look at the COP vs. The euro. Gone virtually nowhere.

HBoy54
04-15-18, 12:24
It is the dollar getting weaker. Dollar down 18% against the euro since Trump was elected and began running his mouth. Oil prices up nearly 30%. Look at the COP vs. The euro. Gone virtually nowhere.My first trip to Medellin, Nov 2015, dollar bought 3300 pesos. No problema. After the trade war with China and the the nuclear war with Russia it won't matter.

Fun Luvr
04-15-18, 18:24
It is the dollar getting weaker. Dollar down 18% against the euro since Trump was elected and began running his mouth. Oil prices up nearly 30%. Look at the COP vs. The euro. Gone virtually nowhere.I suppose if you don't get laid when you want to, or at the price you want, that's also Trump's fault. In the past 90 days, when the dollar has fallen the most in the last year and a half, the Euro has fallen almost the same - 7. 8% and 7. 2%. A weaker dollar is good for most people who live in the United States. It means goods produced in the US will be cheaper on the world market. Since the US is now an oil exporting country, higher oil prices allow for more exploration. That creates more US jobs.

Mr Enternational
04-15-18, 19:38
A weaker dollar is good for most people who live in the United States. It means goods produced in the US will be cheaper on the world market.Yes, but most shit sold in the US is made in other countries. So that same shit is going to cost Americans more.

Combo
04-15-18, 21:34
Why is the fucking peso getting stronger vs. US dollar? Oil prices have not increased that much. And I want the old 1 usd = 3.000 peso so I can get better value.Do you realize that the rate was 1800 just four years ago? The USD is still quite strong against the Col Peso, even if it has pulled pack recently. Honestly if it stayed right here for the foreseeable future, I'd be happy as hell.

Eszpresszo
04-15-18, 22:39
Why is the fucking peso getting stronger vs. US dollar? Oil prices have not increased that much. And I want the old 1 usd = 3.000 peso so I can get better value.Its weakness to the dollar to some extent. But, the COP is still pretty weak against the USD from a historical standpoint. As someone also pointed out, it was much stronger 4 years ago. And when somebody complains, "I only used to pay XXXX for short-time", just ask then what the exchange rate was at the time. When I was in Medellin two years ago from this month, the COP was only slightly weaker, whereas the Euro was a lot weaker when I was in Germany just over two years ago. Colombia is still a good value compared to most places that are easy striking distance from the US.

Note that the dollar's weakness is not universal around the globe. The Indonesian Rupiah is very weak against the USD right now. Weaker than it was a year ago, and since I just got back from Bali, that was a wonderful thing. Excellent short time service with a young, slender Javanese girl for under $22? Best mongering value I've had so far. The Philippine Piso is also at its lowest point against the dollar in a decade.

But, if you are currency conscious, as I am, then keep your eyes on the currency rates of monger locations you want to visit. That's what I do, because there are many places I want to visit and I choose my destinations partially on how strong the USD is very the destination currency. I figure I'll visit Germany again when the Euro is weak and maybe monger in Spain or Portugal for the first time when the Euro is weak. Dickhead seems to like those locations. I do hope to visit Indonesia and Colombia while their currencies are still weak. Maybe some day, Thailand's government will enact a more sensible monetary policy and let the overpriced Baht weaken a bit. Thai exports are complaining about the strength of the Baht, and tourism is also off this year. At barely 31 Baht to the USD, I'm not planning to visit the Land of Smiles for very long.

Fun Luvr
04-16-18, 15:22
Yes, but most shit sold in the US is made in other countries. So that same shit is going to cost Americans more.I don't know the specific group of products you are referring to, but most consumer goods sold in the US are produced in the US. On an individual basis, food takes the third most out of most budgets, behind housing and automobile related expenses. Almost all food bought in the US is produced in the US. Automobile imports amount to very little of the total automobile market.

I haven't seen any data on clothes, but I venture to say that most clothes sold in the US are imported. How much of an average individual's budget is spent on clothes? I say very little.

Overall, I think a weaker dollar is better for the US populace as a whole, but not good for those of us who travel internationally on a regular basis.

Aragorn
04-25-18, 19:35
It is the dollar getting weaker. Dollar down 18% against the euro since Trump was elected and began running his mouth. Oil prices up nearly 30%. Look at the COP vs. The euro. Gone virtually nowhere.I'm trying to reach El Toro Rojo. Been offered a post in Bogota.

Villainy
04-26-18, 03:19
I don't know the specific group of products you are referring to, but most consumer goods sold in the US are produced in the US. On an individual basis, food takes the third most out of most budgets, behind housing and automobile related expenses. Almost all food bought in the US is produced in the US. Automobile imports amount to very little of the total automobile market.

I haven't seen any data on clothes, but I venture to say that most clothes sold in the US are imported. How much of an average individual's budget is spent on clothes? I say very little.

Overall, I think a weaker dollar is better for the US populace as a whole, but not good for those of us who travel internationally on a regular basis.I have a few thoughts. On food, I guess it depends on what you are talking about. If you mean fresh vegetables, the majority comes from Mexico and Central / South America. If you mean meats, yes almost all from the US. Auto imports? Not so much but that is because a lot of Japanese Auto-Makers have built plants in the US so the numbers are a little (a lot) of gibberish. Clothes? Yes you are right, mostly imported (including tennis shoes which may have the Nike symbol but they have the made in China ID if you look at the identifiers).

Weaker vs Stronger dollar. I guess it depends on whether you are buying or travelling. Clearly this forum would favor a very strong dollar!

ArmyStrong
04-26-18, 15:05
I really like reading some of the post and blogs on the happenings of Medellin. Are any of you guys hanging out there this week? I'the like to meet up and have a beer or 2. I have rent and Airbnb near Llera Park. Looking for to the fellowship!!

Eszpresszo
04-27-18, 02:25
It is the dollar getting weaker. Dollar down 18% against the euro since Trump was elected and began running his mouth. Oil prices up nearly 30%. Look at the COP vs. The euro. Gone virtually nowhere.Okay by that logic, George W. Bush is responsible for cheap FKK adventures, when the Euro fell to 85 cents in May of 2001. And don't forget, gas is still cheaper now than it was 5 years ago, when everyone was paying well over $3 a gallon. I saw gas for 1.49 right around the time Barack Obama was elected. Are you ready to blame Barack Obama for high gas prices?

And BTW, the Euro began the year at 3578, and fell to 3336 a few weeks ago. Is that what you call virtually nowhere?

While the COP has strengthened against most other currencies in recent months, we have seen the Indonesian Rupiah fall to a three year low against the dollar and approaching a 10 year low. So, shouldn't I thank Donald Trump for the cheap pussy I enjoyed in Bali last month?

My point is, you cannot selectively blame politicians for economic events. They have less influence over economic matters than people think they do, and less than they would like you to believe. The big player in the strength of the dollar over the long term, in my opinion, is going to be the new "Fed". A central bank that is "hawkish" is going to strengthen the currency, just as central bank that can't keep inflation in check is going to see its currency slump. What money manager is going to put their funds in a currency whose value is eroding due to inflation. A currency gets attractive when the spread between inflation and the yield on deposits or bonds is positive. Right now, not many money managers or investors want to stick their money in bonds if they don't have do. With three interest rate increases in the cards, the "smart money" would prefer to wait until bond and money market yields are higher. Its just the same as you would want to take out a mortgage and buy a home now, instead of a year or two. Because it will likely be more expensive to finance a home purchase then. Making investments in fixed income will be a better value in that same time period. Note that around 45% of all US Treasury debt was held by overseas entities of last fall. The Japanese government holds almost 8% of all US Debt. Almost 20% of all buyers at US Treasury auctions are foreign, down from almost 30% ten years ago. So, you can see the impact this will have on a currency. If other big central banks don't follow suit, soon (and they don't appear to be), you will likely see a trend towards a stronger dollar, regardless of who is in the oval office and what noise they tweet. Because that is all it is, noise. What the Fed does, actually matters immensely, and what they merely imply in the published Fed "Minutes" or what the Fed Chairman mumbles can move mountains in the world of finance.

Eszpresszo
04-30-18, 13:00
A bit more insight into the strength of the USD, and the impact of interest rates on a currency:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dollar-set-for-best-month-since-february-2017-ahead-of-fed-meeting-2018-04-30

As the article notes, the Pound Sterling is taking a beating (again) because the Bank of England isn't likely to hike rates in the near future. However, in the past week the consensus is that the Fed will hike rates soon, and it looking at four, not three rate hikes in the near future. As the article quotes on analyst as saying "The Fed is on a course to raise rates again in June and we believe that they will use this month's meeting to telegraph their intent to pull the trigger again and this will send the dollar sharply higher.

Dccpa
05-01-18, 02:01
The Euro: USD reached my long awaited multi year top of 125-126 (actual was 125.5) back in February. I am looking for a 25-30% drop in the Euro over the next 12-15 months. No idea what will cause the drop, but the monthly chart has been very reliable since the 2008 financial crisis.


Okay by that logic, George W. Bush is responsible for cheap FKK adventures, when the Euro fell to 85 cents in May of 2001. And don't forget, gas is still cheaper now than it was 5 years ago, when everyone was paying well over $3 a gallon. I saw gas for 1.49 right around the time Barack Obama was elected. Are you ready to blame Barack Obama for high gas prices?

And BTW, the Euro began the year at 3578, and fell to 3336 a few weeks ago. Is that what you call virtually nowhere?

While the COP has strengthened against most other currencies in recent months, we have seen the Indonesian Rupiah fall to a three year low against the dollar and approaching a 10 year low. So, shouldn't I thank Donald Trump for the cheap pussy I enjoyed in Bali last month?

My point is, you cannot selectively blame politicians for economic events. They have less influence over economic matters than people think they do, and less than they would like you to believe. The big player in the strength of the dollar over the long term, in my opinion, is going to be the new "Fed". A central bank that is "hawkish" is going to strengthen the currency, just as central bank that can't keep inflation in check is going to see its currency slump. What money manager is going to put their funds in a currency whose value is eroding due to inflation. A currency gets attractive when the spread between inflation and the yield on deposits or bonds is positive. Right now, not many money managers or investors want to stick their money in bonds if they don't have do. With three interest rate increases in the cards, the "smart money" would prefer to wait until bond and money market yields are higher. Its just the same as you would want to take out a mortgage and buy a home now, instead of a year or two. Because it will likely be more expensive to finance a home purchase then. Making investments in fixed income will be a better value in that same time period. Note that around 45% of all US Treasury debt was held by overseas entities of last fall. The Japanese government holds almost 8% of all US Debt. Almost 20% of all buyers at US Treasury auctions are foreign, down from almost 30% ten years ago. So, you can see the impact this will have on a currency. If other big central banks don't follow suit, soon (and they don't appear to be), you will likely see a trend towards a stronger dollar, regardless of who is in the oval office and what noise they tweet. Because that is all it is, noise. What the Fed does, actually matters immensely, and what they merely imply in the published Fed "Minutes" or what the Fed Chairman mumbles can move mountains in the world of finance.

Eszpresszo
05-01-18, 03:14
The Euro: USD reached my long awaited multi year top of 125-126 (actual was 125.5) back in February. I am looking for a 25-30% drop in the Euro over the next 12-15 months. No idea what will cause the drop, but the monthly chart has been very reliable since the 2008 financial crisis.Multi-year top? Maybe in the past 3 years, when it was coming off a 10-year low. But it hit 1.60 USD 10 years this July. The dollar has definitely been much weaker against the Euro in the past decade.

Here is a professional source for exchange rates, past and current:

https://www.xe.com/

They also have an app on Google Play. What monthly chart are you referring to? Is this a tech analysis tool?

The Euro was down to $1.05 USD back in the fall of 2015, just over two years ago. By dumb luck, I happened to visit a friend in Berlin at that time. My only regret was not mongering more. The USD has done well in the past weeks, but the Pound Sterling has done the opposite. So, news of a strong dollar does not mean happy news for everyone on these forums. If the USD reclaims 3000 COP by this fall, I will be thrilled.

And as a point of reference, the USD was down to just over 1800, five years ago. After the COP took a dive in in Mid-2014, the USD hit a 10-year high of 3370 in February of 2016 and had fallen to barely above 3000 when I visited just two months later. From a historical perspective anything approaching 3000 to the US dollar is an awesome deal (if you have US dollars, that is). Today's closing price of 1,20 EU to the USD is less than attractive. And 13900 Rupiah to the Buck means a great time to visit Indonesia.

ColombiaLover
05-04-18, 19:02
In Europe in the summer when the Euro hit about 1. 67 to the dollar. Even the cost of a Coke was outrageous! And I also spent a lot of time in Colombia when the COP was in the 1700's. True deals could be found on local products, but not much else. I also enjoyed the 330 rate as well. I would be very happy to see the COP go back to 3000 to the dollar, but even at 2800 or 2900 I am very happy compared to what the rate was when I first married my ex-wife, who was from Bogota.


Multi-year top? Maybe in the past 3 years, when it was coming off a 10-year low. But it hit 1.60 USD 10 years this July. The dollar has definitely been much weaker against the Euro in the past decade.

Here is a professional source for exchange rates, past and current:

https://www.xe.com/

They also have an app on Google Play. What monthly chart are you referring to? Is this a tech analysis tool?

The Euro was down to $1.05 USD back in the fall of 2015, just over two years ago. By dumb luck, I happened to visit a friend in Berlin at that time. My only regret was not mongering more. The USD has done well in the past weeks, but the Pound Sterling has done the opposite. So, news of a strong dollar does not mean happy news for everyone on these forums. If the USD reclaims 3000 COP by this fall, I will be thrilled.

And as a point of reference, the USD was down to just over 1800, five years ago. After the COP took a dive in in Mid-2014, the USD hit a 10-year high of 3370 in February of 2016 and had fallen to barely above 3000 when I visited just two months later. From a historical perspective anything approaching 3000 to the US dollar is an awesome deal (if you have US dollars, that is). Today's closing price of 1,20 EU to the USD is less than attractive. And 13900 Rupiah to the Buck means a great time to visit Indonesia.

Eszpresszo
05-04-18, 22:11
In Europe in the summer when the Euro hit about 1. 67 to the dollar. Even the cost of a Coke was outrageous! And I also spent a lot of time in Colombia when the COP was in the 1700's. True deals could be found on local products, but not much else. I also enjoyed the 330 rate as well. I would be very happy to see the COP go back to 3000 to the dollar, but even at 2800 or 2900 I am very happy compared to what the rate was when I first married my ex-wife, who was from Bogota.Things might get even better for those who hold the USD. Unemployment fell below 4% in the US, triggering speculation that the FOMC would hike interest rates four times, whereas there's the consensus that it would happen twice at the beginning of this week.

In other news, drastic action was also taken by Argentina's Central bank in the past week. They hiked interest rates three times! And that still hasn't had much impact on its weakening currency.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2018/05/04/brakes-slamming-on-argentina-as-central-banks-credibility-damaged/#57592 ef410 d5.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/argentina-central-bank-boosts-main-rate-to-40-in-third-rise-in-eight-days-1525445140

Argentina's peso has been sliding in the past few years, which means that maybe Argentina needs extra scrutiny as a mongering destination. Certainly it has it fans here on ISG.

As for ex-wife's abroad, I can certainly relate. Though in hindsight they might be cheaper when you just pay them to leave.

Dccpa
05-05-18, 00:24
Multi year top as in the highest EUR: USD rate since 2014 and will be the highest rate for a few more years. If you look at the chart below, the EUR: USD has been trending in favor of the USD since the 2008 crisis.

https://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=6E&p=m1


Multi-year top? Maybe in the past 3 years, when it was coming off a 10-year low. But it hit 1.60 USD 10 years this July. The dollar has definitely been much weaker against the Euro in the past decade.

Here is a professional source for exchange rates, past and current:

https://www.xe.com/

They also have an app on Google Play. What monthly chart are you referring to? Is this a tech analysis tool?

The Euro was down to $1.05 USD back in the fall of 2015, just over two years ago. By dumb luck, I happened to visit a friend in Berlin at that time. My only regret was not mongering more. The USD has done well in the past weeks, but the Pound Sterling has done the opposite. So, news of a strong dollar does not mean happy news for everyone on these forums. If the USD reclaims 3000 COP by this fall, I will be thrilled.

And as a point of reference, the USD was down to just over 1800, five years ago. After the COP took a dive in in Mid-2014, the USD hit a 10-year high of 3370 in February of 2016 and had fallen to barely above 3000 when I visited just two months later. From a historical perspective anything approaching 3000 to the US dollar is an awesome deal (if you have US dollars, that is). Today's closing price of 1,20 EU to the USD is less than attractive. And 13900 Rupiah to the Buck means a great time to visit Indonesia.

Eszpresszo
05-05-18, 03:35
Multi year top as in the highest EUR: USD rate since 2014 and will be the highest rate for a few more years. If you look at the chart below, the EUR: USD has been trending in favor of the USD since the 2008 crisis.

https://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=6E&p=m1Look at your chart again, dude. The Euro topped in 2008. Three years doesn't constitute "multi-year". The USD has merely strengthened against most currencies in general since the financial crisis, not just the Euro.

YippieKayay
05-05-18, 15:35
I noticed while the Colombian Peso has strengthened the Brazilian Real is at 3. 5 to a US dollar. That's getting close to the 1 US dollar is 4 reals which is a sweet deal if you're in Sao Paolo.

Balboa
05-05-18, 22:15
I noticed while the Colombian Peso has strengthened the Brazilian Real is at 3. 5 to a US dollar. That's getting close to the 1 US dollar is 4 reals which is a sweet deal if you're in Sao Paolo.Hmmm or in Rio!

There now 😎

Wild Walleye
05-06-18, 01:55
Things might get even better for those who hold the USD. Unemployment fell below 4% in the US, triggering speculation that the FOMC would hike interest rates four times, whereas there's the consensus that it would happen twice at the beginning of this week.

In other news, drastic action was also taken by Argentina's Central bank in the past week. They hiked interest rates three times! And that still hasn't had much impact on its weakening currency.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2018/05/04/brakes-slamming-on-argentina-as-central-banks-credibility-damaged/#57592 ef410 d5.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/argentina-central-bank-boosts-main-rate-to-40-in-third-rise-in-eight-days-1525445140

Argentina's peso has been sliding in the past few years, which means that maybe Argentina needs extra scrutiny as a mongering destination. Certainly it has it fans here on ISG.

As for ex-wife's abroad, I can certainly relate. Though in hindsight they might be cheaper when you just pay them to leave.The biggest driver of Forex pricing is the relative interest rates of the two locales. Of course country risk and all that other stuff figures in as well. However, central bank rate hikes and cuts are a big driver. The USD has had a couple recent rate hikes. That means USD deposits will make a little more.

As for four hikes this coming year, in part as a response to lower unemployment, I actually think that the reverse is true. The tightening labor market will eventually yield significant wage increases which are, in and of themselves, inflationary. Rapidly increasing the cost of capital at the same time as the market is experiencing material increases in labor costs isn't good policy, if the objective is to keep the recovery going. Also, consider the recent rise in fuel prices.

On the subject of Argentina, I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw the news. The currency has dropped quite a bit (ARS: USD 15:1 to 22:1), since the currency controls came off in 2016. When I first started spending a lot of time in Argentina (2007) the rate was 3. 10 ARS:1 USD. However, it isn't like things are 7 x cheaper, now (constant inflation doesn't help). The women are awesome and there are lots of good expats and forum members in Buenos Aires. Things are starting to get a little cheaper and if the articles I read were on target, things could continue to get cheaper.

Dccpa
05-06-18, 04:33
My last time to read any of your posts, my last time to reply to you and my last attempt to educate you.

1 The all time high was in 2008, but the Euro has made several tops since then. If you are using a definition of top that is different than everyone else I know, it's a free world.

2 Two years constitutes multi year and so does three years. To argue different makes you look stubborn or foolish.

3 The Euro is a flawed currency that was doomed from the start. In the last few months, the Euro finally made a back test to the neckline of the H&S pattern that started in 2004. The USD will be over par vs. The Euro within the year. Personally, I consider that kind of move to be more than merely strengthening. But again, you may have a different definition than most people.


Look at your chart again, dude. The Euro topped in 2008. Three years doesn't constitute "multi-year". The USD has merely strengthened against most currencies in general since the financial crisis, not just the Euro.

Eszpresszo
05-06-18, 06:10
My last time to read any of your posts, my last time to reply to you and my last attempt to educate you.

Two years constitutes multi year and so does three years. To argue different makes you look stubborn or foolish.LOL. Thanks for educating me. Have fun with your currency speculation. I expect you will get rich on it, soon enough.

Caribb777
05-25-18, 01:08
Heading this weekend there. Saturday 6 pm is Ley seca because of the elections. Will establishments be open Saturday night? Will establishments be open on Sunday?

JjBee62
05-25-18, 05:18
Heading this weekend there. Saturday 6 pm is Ley seca because of the elections. Will establishments be open Saturday night? Will establishments be open on Sunday?No. They will all close at 6 pm Saturday and will not reopen until Monday.

Eszpresszo
06-24-18, 20:41
It is the dollar getting weaker. Dollar down 18% against the euro since Trump was elected and began running his mouth. Oil prices up nearly 30%. Look at the COP vs. The euro. Gone virtually nowhere.Well, it seems there is also a bit more rational explanation for the temporary strength of the COP.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-emerging-market-investors-are-swooning-over-colombias-peso-2018-06-06

Of course, if you want to persist in blaming presidents for low exchange rates, we must note that during Obama's two terms, the dollar spent at least half of those 8 years under 2000 COP. Personally, I'm inclined to look at the big picture as to what influences exchange rates, instead of only what goes on in the White House.

In other news, the USD broke about 2900 COP a week ago, and has stayed there. The COP lost momentum against the USD on April 18, a week after the Fed released the "minutes" from their prior meeting in March. The Thai Baht also turned around on April 18, while the Brazilian Real hastened its decline on that same date. Its typically a bad thing for a developing nation's currency when the FOMC embarks on a path to raising interest rates. But, is can be a blessing for those of us who prefer to monger in the developing world.

Combo
06-28-18, 01:45
Well, it seems there is also a bit more rational explanation for the temporary strength of the COP.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-emerging-market-investors-are-swooning-over-colombias-peso-2018-06-06

Of course, if you want to persist in blaming presidents for low exchange rates, we must note that during Obama's two terms, the dollar spent at least half of those 8 years under 2000 COP. Personally, I'm inclined to look at the big picture as to what influences exchange rates, instead of only what goes on in the White House.

In other news, the USD broke about 2900 COP a week ago, and has stayed there. The COP lost momentum against the USD on April 18, a week after the Fed released the "minutes" from their prior meeting in March. The Thai Baht also turned around on April 18, while the Brazilian Real hastened its decline on that same date. Its typically a bad thing for a developing nation's currency when the FOMC embarks on a path to raising interest rates. But, is can be a blessing for those of us who prefer to monger in the developing world.Thank you! Anyone complaining about the current exchange rate has lost perspective. 2946 close today is a fantastic rate. Heck, if it stays above 2500 to the USD, that is still a damn good rate. I've been going to Colombia for over a decade and a lot of that time the rate has been under 2000.

Also trying to blame / credit the current politicians for a good or bad exchange rate is ridiculous (though the-Bags on both sides do it). I've traded FX for a living for most of my life. So many things go into an exchange rate that are completely outside a president's influence.

Wolf662
07-13-18, 23:59
I'm not debating whether the 10% is a large number. I'm just pointing out that with the ratio of men to women on the site, the chicks from SA are no less used than any other chicks that us mongers are fucking for money.I don't think the ratio of women to men has anything to do with how used the girls are, that depends on her MO, is she a real sugar baby / part timer or a escort. Seems to be about 1 out of 5 are actual high volume escorts, the rest are real SB's, college girls / low income chicks looking to make some extra money on the side and get dinner & drinks + maybe sex.

The escort ones want to come right to your house the 1st time, no dinner, drinks etc and may have a driver and they watch the clock, have rules and usually have a lower starting price. The real SB's will want to meet you somewhere for dinner / drinks and see how they like you first. My fav for a year was a 19 yo (the 1st pic I posted with the bikini and huge tits, which were natural, she was only about 5' tall too with a model's face) she lived at home with her parents and had no car, told her parents I was her "Uber" driver when I came to pick her up. Gave her $400 the 1st time she was so hot but we got that down to $100 in about 2 weeks. We would get some take out sushi, drink some Saki, lay on the couch and watch some Top Gear (I turned her on to it) then I'd give her a full body massage and we'd have awesome sex, on the pill, no condom. Avg time over about 3+ hours at least once a week. She didn't want to go out cause we might run into her parents. LOL.

No full time escort would follow that plan.

One of my other fav was the one in the pic on stage as a fitness competitor, 27 yo, saw her for almost 2 years, ran her own business, worked out all the time and did the NPC fitness competitions and dog rescue. She told me she didn't have time for a BF but still wanted some sex. Apparently her last BF was a big time leech. Basically same MO as other girl except she had a car and wanted $200, came over for sushi, Saki, Top Gear, back rub, and bare back sex, 2 to 3 hours at my place. Me & her did several out of town vacations incld camping on the beach in the Dry Tortugas for 3 days.

Also saw for a few months a chick who was a WingHouse waitress (like Hooters). She was the most fun in bed as she was up for anything. She did want $300 though so didn't see her that long.

Those girls all had $300 to $400 an hour bodies and faces to me.

There is a 3rd type though, ones who ask for $100 to meet you for dinner / drinks and have no intention of sleeping with anyone, do that 7 times a week and they don't need a job.

My 3 favs: (out of around 40 SB's I took home off the sites).

Sangnyc21
07-14-18, 20:06
I don't think the ratio of women to men has anything to do with how used the girls are, that depends on her MO, is she a real sugar baby / part timer or a escort. Seems to be about 1 out of 5 are actual high volume escorts, the rest are real SB's, college girls / low income chicks looking to make some extra money on the side and get dinner & drinks + maybe sex.

The escort ones want to come right to your house the 1st time, no dinner, drinks etc and may have a driver and they watch the clock, have rules and usually have a lower starting price. The real SB's will want to meet you somewhere for dinner / drinks and see how they like you first. My fav for a year was a 19 yo (the 1st pic I posted with the bikini and huge tits, which were natural, she was only about 5' tall too with a model's face) she lived at home with her parents and had no car, told her parents I was her "Uber" driver when I came to pick her up. Gave her $400 the 1st time she was so hot but we got that down to $100 in about 2 weeks. We would get some take out sushi, drink some Saki, lay on the couch and watch some Top Gear (I turned her on to it) then I'd give her a full body massage and we'd have awesome sex, on the pill, no condom. Avg time over about 3+ hours at least once a week. She didn't want to go out cause we might run into her parents. LOL.

No full time escort would follow that plan..They are asking for 300-400 USD?

Wolf662
07-15-18, 02:14
They are asking for 300-400 USD?No, not really, my MO is to offer them $100 to meet for dinner and drinks and then during dinner if we get along offer another $200 to come home with me so they walk with $300. Then after a few visits say you'd love to see them tonight but only have X amount of dollars ($100 to 200) and see if they take it. Most do if you've been treating them right.

The 19 yo with the big natural tits I did offer her 400 the 1st time because I really wanted to seal the deal, worked great because she came over (well I picked her up) for a year at $100 a visit later on.

I thought she was worth it:

Sangnyc21
07-16-18, 00:10
No, not really, my MO is to offer them $100 to meet for dinner and drinks and then during dinner if we get along offer another $200 to come home with me so they walk with $300. Then after a few visits say you'd love to see them tonight but only have X amount of dollars ($100 to 200) and see if they take it. Most do if you've been treating them right.

The 19 yo with the big natural tits I did offer her 400 the 1st time because I really wanted to seal the deal, worked great because she came over (well I picked her up) for a year at $100 a visit later on.

I thought she was worth it:But your referring $100=100 k cop not 100 usd right? LOL.

MS Clive
07-16-18, 03:08
Well, it seems there is also a bit more rational explanation for the temporary strength of the COP.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-emerging-market-investors-are-swooning-over-colombias-peso-2018-06-06

Of course, if you want to persist in blaming presidents for low exchange rates, we must note that during Obama's two terms, the dollar spent at least half of those 8 years under 2000 COP. Personally, I'm inclined to look at the big picture as to what influences exchange rates, instead of only what goes on in the White House.

In other news, the USD broke about 2900 COP a week ago, and has stayed there. The COP lost momentum against the USD on April 18, a week after the Fed released the "minutes" from their prior meeting in March. The Thai Baht also turned around on April 18, while the Brazilian Real hastened its decline on that same date. Its typically a bad thing for a developing nation's currency when the FOMC embarks on a path to raising interest rates. But, is can be a blessing for those of us who prefer to monger in the developing world.In the long run, exchange rate reflects only difference in inflation rates. This statement is not said lightly. There can be deviations from the rate determined by inflation but they quickly even out usually within microseconds.

Wolf662
07-16-18, 17:42
But your referring $100=100 k cop not 100 usd right? LOL.Well I was talking about when I use SA in the US, those are dollar figures. In MED I offered the SA girls 300 k pesos for all night.

PseudoGene
07-17-18, 23:12
It will be my third time, will stay at M1 (poor Spanish). Based on massage quality and sexual talent, what will be your first choice? Thanks in advance for your help.

Admin2
07-23-18, 18:43
Well I was talking about when I use SA in the US, those are dollar figures. In MED I offered the SA girls 300 k pesos for all night.Thanks for clearing that up, when I read your original post I was thinking, fuck, got to start looking for the next place because Medellin just died.

There are no real SB's on SA. Real SB's don't have ads, they don't need them, they have guys who pay their bills. They might, and I stress might, be low volume prostitutes but they are not sugar babies.

Manizales911
07-24-18, 00:43
There are no real SB's on SA. Real SB's don't have ads, they don't need them, they have guys who pay their bills. They might, and I stress might, be low volume prostitutes but they are not sugar babies.Not true at all. There are sugar babies that lost their sugar daddy and are looking for a new one, there are sugar babies that have sugar daddies and are looking for a more generous one and there are want to be sugar babies looking for their first sugar daddy. There are also full time prostitutes and as you pointed out low volume prostitutes. I have been with all types of girls from that site.

Wolf662
07-24-18, 01:17
Not true at all. There are sugar babies that lost their sugar daddy and are looking for a new one, there are sugar babies that have sugar daddies and are looking for a more generous one and there are want to be sugar babies looking for their first sugar daddy. There are also full time prostitutes and as you pointed out low volume prostitutes. I have been with all types of girls from that site.Yeah I agree, there is a full spectrum of choices.

SlapShot10
07-24-18, 03:23
Has anyone tried out the new (ish) sports bar places in Parque Lleras. Ray's & Aye Way? Are they worth checking out?

Are there any nights of the week that might be better to leave Poblado, and go to Laureles / Envigado / etc?

Husker Dude
07-24-18, 04:13
It will be my third time, will stay at M1 (poor Spanish). Based on massage quality and sexual talent, what will be your first choice? Thanks in advance for your help.You might try OM Mens spa. It's on the 4th floor in the back of Rio Sur Mall, just a few blocks from M1. Right across from Ovieda Mall. Cost is 100 K for 1 hour legit massage. Some girls will offer extras for 50-100 K more, but some not do. Anyway a 1st class massage.

JjBee62
07-24-18, 04:21
Has anyone tried out the new (ish) sports bar places in Parque Lleras. Ray's & Aye Way? Are they worth checking out?

Are there any nights of the week that might be better to leave Poblado, and go to Laureles / Envigado / etc?Any night when Nacional is playing a home game is a good night to go to Laureles, if you don't mind the crowds. Thursday through Saturday is the best time to visit any of the nightlife areas. Sunday and Monday are dead, unless Monday is a holiday. Tuesday and Wednesday pick up a little bit.

Big Boss Man
07-24-18, 16:34
It will be my third time, will stay at M1 (poor Spanish). Based on massage quality and sexual talent, what will be your first choice? Thanks in advance for your help.https://co.mileroticos.com/masajes-eroticos/relajate-con-un-masaje/11005597/

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https://co.mileroticos.com/masajes-eroticos/masaje-de-relajacion/10716209/

https://co.mileroticos.com/masajes-eroticos/masaje-relajante-en-habitacion-privada/10864956/

https://co.mileroticos.com/masajes-eroticos/masajes-profesionales-no-sexo/10857407/

https://co.mileroticos.com/masajes-eroticos/masajes-totalmente-profesionales/10855761/

https://co.mileroticos.com/masajes-eroticos/masajes-profesionales-no-sexo/10704937/

I am sure the massages end with a hand job. I enjoy going to these places once in awhile.

Wild Walleye
07-27-18, 22:20
In the long run, exchange rate reflects only difference in inflation rates. This statement is not said lightly. There can be deviations from the rate determined by inflation but they quickly even out usually within microseconds.The largest determinant of the difference in exchange rates is the relative interest rates in the respective locales, which take inflation into account. However, the biggest driver of the respective interest rates is central bank policy. Included in the calculus is also all of the risks (sovereign, economic, market, etc.). But you are near the core that the interest rate differentials are the key.

Sorry for chiming in, but I couldn't help myself.

JjBee62
08-11-18, 16:05
After seeing the discussion about sending money to girls, I've reached a conclusion; it doesn't matter what you do. If you want to send money to a girl, whether for a life saving operation or to buy cat food, send the money. If you don't want to send the money, don't.

I've sent money to a few, I've told most no. I've got my criteria and don't believe I'm scoring any points or somehow winning them over. Sometimes I enjoy doing nice things, knowing I'll get nothing in return.

Do the few I've sent $30 to think I'm a fool? Do I care? Not in the least. Do you honestly believe that your prepago friends respect you? When you're not around, you're just another Bobo. When they are around me, I expect certain things. When they're not around me, I expect them to talk about me the same way they talk about other guys with me.

If you want to give a girl 300,400 or 900 k, when others are paying 150 k, go for it. It's your money. If you want to take her shopping, or take her to Europe, more power to you. It's your life, enjoy it while you can.

Now everyone will want to blame you for ruining the market, but fuck them. They are neglecting one important factor; the sizzle.

Probably came from Zig ZIglar, "don't sell the steak, sell the sizzle. " Why are young, gorgeous Colombianas eager to come fuck us old gringos? I can guarantee they aren't figuring out how much they can save, how to invest, etc. They are looking for that pot of gold. Each one of us is a potential winning lottery ticket. Every one of them knows someone who found a rich husband, or a sugar daddy. They all know someone who got to travel around the world, who got a high paying modeling job, or who got out of their barrio and moved up in the world.

When there are no more Cinderella stories, the fountain will dry up. If all the lotteries had a top prize of $50,000 they'd sell a lot less tickets. If the best any girl can hope for is to get 200 k, a lot more are going to be looking for other lines of work. Even if economic conditions force them into prostitution, the incentive is gone. There's no big payoff, it's just something to tolerate to get paid. Instead of fun, energetic sessions, you'll just get starfish.

I think what everyone is worried about is that the girl they want won't be available, because someone just sent her some money, or someone took her to Germany. Big deal. Each one of them has 6 cousins, 14 friends and a sister who aren't in Europe, that don't have a WU sugar daddy and are looking for a little bit of money.

Do what makes you happy.

Mongerer88
08-11-18, 17:59
Jbee62,

That is the best post I have read on ISG all year.

While I have probably been guilty of it myself, one of the worst things about ISG is the attitude that everyone must do things exactly the same way and that this dynamic market can be controlled and unchanged if everyone does things exactly the same. Services are variable from Girl to Girl and even from the same girl to the next guy since it is a personal service business that is difficult to commoditize, higher prices usually bring better talent and performance, the cure for higher prices is higher prices (lower cost entrants enter the market and / or demand falls off), and the cure for lower prices is lower prices (guys will travel there if performance is good and bid the prices up).

I get amused at the techniques for guys who like a market to try to eliminate or stall these changes. Your advice is the best. Let everyone do what makes them happy and let the market adjust how the market adjusts. I have never seen a controlled market for anything turn out good.

HBoy54
08-11-18, 21:46
After seeing the discussion about sending money to girls, I've reached a conclusion; it doesn't matter what you do. If you want to send money to a girl, whether for a life saving operation or to buy cat food, send the money. If you don't want to send the money, don't.

I've sent money to a few, I've told most no. I've got my criteria and don't believe I'm scoring any points or somehow winning them over. Sometimes I enjoy doing nice things, knowing I'll get nothing in return.

Do the few I've sent $30 to think I'm a fool? Do I care? Not in the least. Do you honestly believe that your prepago friends respect you? When you're not around, you're just another Bobo. When they are around me, I expect certain things. When they're not around me, I expect them to talk about me the same way they talk about other guys with me.

If you want to give a girl 300,400 or 900 k, when others are paying 150 k, go for it. It's your money. If you want to take her shopping, or take her to Europe, more power to you. It's your life, enjoy it while you can.Exacto! Right on!

Sangnyc21
08-12-18, 02:03
After seeing the discussion about sending money to girls, I've reached a conclusion; it doesn't matter what you do. If you want to send money to a girl, whether for a life saving operation or to buy cat food, send the money. If you don't want to send the money, don't.

I've sent money to a few, I've told most no. I've got my criteria and don't believe I'm scoring any points or somehow winning them over. Sometimes I enjoy doing nice things, knowing I'll get nothing in return.

Do the few I've sent $30 to think I'm a fool? Do I care? Not in the least. Do you honestly believe that your prepago friends respect you? When you're not around, you're just another Bobo. When they are around me, I expect certain things. When they're not around me, I expect them to talk about me the same way they talk about other guys with me..I agree with everything you said except the part about sending them $$ when you're not with them. Otherwise spend it on them as you please it's your own $$ and no one has the right to tell you how yo spend it.

I agree there's a lot of folks here getting upset because they have hot girls who won't take their 150-200 k anymore because others are willing to pay more.

Balboa
08-12-18, 18:18
After seeing the discussion about sending money to girls, I've reached a conclusion; it doesn't matter what you do. If you want to send money to a girl, whether for a life saving operation or to buy cat food, send the money. If you don't want to send the money, don't.

I've sent money to a few, I've told most no. I've got my criteria and don't believe I'm scoring any points or somehow winning them over. Sometimes I enjoy doing nice things, knowing I'll get nothing in return.

Do the few I've sent $30 to think I'm a fool? Do I care? Not in the least. Do you honestly believe that your prepago friends respect you? When you're not around, you're just another Bobo. When they are around me, I expect certain things. When they're not around me, I expect them to talk about me the same way they talk about other guys with me.

If you want to give a girl 300,400 or 900 k, when others are paying 150 k, go for it. It's your money. If you want to take her shopping, or take her to Europe, more power to you. It's your life, enjoy it while you can.

Now everyone will want to blame you for ruining the market, but fuck them. They are neglecting one important factor; the sizzle.

Probably came from Zig ZIglar, "don't sell the steak, sell the sizzle. " Why are young, gorgeous Colombianas eager to come fuck us old gringos? I can guarantee they aren't figuring out how much they can save, how to invest, etc. They are looking for that pot of gold. Each one of us is a potential winning lottery ticket. Every one of them knows someone who found a rich husband, or a sugar daddy. They all know someone who got to travel around the world, who got a high paying modeling job, or who got out of their barrio and moved up in the world.

When there are no more Cinderella stories, the fountain will dry up. If all the lotteries had a top prize of $50,000 they'd sell a lot less tickets. If the best any girl can hope for is to get 200 k, a lot more are going to be looking for other lines of work. Even if economic conditions force them into prostitution, the incentive is gone. There's no big payoff, it's just something to tolerate to get paid. Instead of fun, energetic sessions, you'll just get starfish.

I think what everyone is worried about is that the girl they want won't be available, because someone just sent her some money, or someone took her to Germany. Big deal. Each one of them has 6 cousins, 14 friends and a sister who aren't in Europe, that don't have a WU sugar daddy and are looking for a little bit of money.

Do what makes you happy.Once again, the voice of reason and common sense.

You posted exactly what I was thinking.

I just bought and gave a few girls here in Brazil refurbished nice android phones off eBay, 100 bucks each. They didnt ask for them, I know theyre struggling and needed them.
Made me feel good, I know they loved it.
Now if they call me a bobo behind my back, or dont respect me like some guys here say, which I doubt, I really dont care, Lol
I feel good about it, and they always take good care of me.

Be happy as you say.
Great concept! 😉

Fun Luvr
08-13-18, 01:04
After seeing the discussion about sending money to girls, I've reached a conclusion; it doesn't matter what you do. If you want to send money to a girl, whether for a life saving operation or to buy cat food, send the money. If you don't want to send the money, don't.
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Do what makes you happy.Thanks for the post, JjBee62. A few days ago, I thought about writing almost the same thing.

I worked many years and saved money so I could enjoy retirement. When I was working, I didn't envision enjoying time with the young ladies of Medellin. Actually, I never did any research about life in Colombia. It was happenstance that I discovered the mongering scene in Central and South America. I was looking to have some dental work done, and didn't want to pay the outrageous prices in the US. I decided to go to Costa Rica because reports were good about dentistry there. As a by-product, I found some nice ladies there that wanted to be mutual "friends with benefits". Migration from Costa Rica to Colombia was only natural for me. I still go to Costa Rica for dental work, but not for the ladies, other than friends.

I never tell other adults how they should live their life, and I respect those who don't try to tell me what I should do with my money. If I feel like sending money to someone I know in Medellin or paying 200 mil for an hour with them, I will do it. If someone feels that is upsetting the apple cart, then so be it. I take gifts to waitresses in Medellin who I don't envision ever being in bed with. They show appreciation when they receive the gifts, and that's enough for me. When I was growing up, my parents were very poor, money wise. I appreciated any gift of anything. I think that same feeling is in many of the young people of Medellin.

I don't think I will ever over extend myself with being generous to others. I know my limits. If only one person whom I have given something to or paid a little extra to has had their life enriched in any way by what I did, then my mission is a success.

JjBee62
09-03-18, 23:36
To keep from further clutter in the Medellin reports thread, I'm putting this here.

There have been a few guys complaining that the internet in general and specifically Facebook has ruined the hunt for prepagos in Medellin. Instead of hanging out in bars or working at casas or strip clubs, the women are sitting at home waiting for some loser to send them a message. It's a real tragedy.

I'm curious about one thing. In what way is going to a bar where prostitutes hang out and picking out a prostitute, hunting? Do you hunt for meat at the grocery store? It sounds suspiciously like shopping to me. I can understand going to a strange city, wandering the streets, hitting all the bars and clubs trying to find the bars with the hookers. That sounds like hunting. But, if you're just looking it up on a map, or asking a taxi driver, or another monger, you're simply getting directions to where you're going to shop.

If you're getting your information from ISG, you're not hunting.

There is one example that qualifies as hunting. If you're trying to find a girlfriend or wife, or trying to find someone who's never considered selling sex, that's hunting. Unless you're just asking another prepago to bring her cousin.

Facebook hasn't really changed anything. Maybe the average person is paying more now than 15 years ago. But everything you buy has gone up in price over the past 15 years. Why should pussy be exempt? Maybe there are less quality girls in the places where you used to find them. Any hunter will tell you that's what happens when an area gets hunted out.

If you still want to don your pith helmet and pretend you're the mighty hunter tracking his prey, just send a message and ask her to meet you at a bar. Then you can use your finely honed skills to bag the trophy.

Wolf662
09-04-18, 00:54
I'm curious about one thing. In what way is going to a bar where prostitutes hang out and picking out a prostitute, hunting? Do you hunt for meat at the grocery store? It sounds suspiciously like shopping to me. I can understand going to a strange city, wandering the streets, hitting all the bars and clubs trying to find the bars with the hookers. That sounds like hunting. But, if you're just looking it up on a map, or asking a taxi driver, or another monger, you're simply getting directions to where you're going to shop.
If you're getting your information from ISG, you're not hunting.
There is one example that qualifies as hunting. If you're trying to find a girlfriend or wife, or trying to find someone who's never considered selling sex, that's hunting. Unless you're just asking another prepago to bring her cousin.Well I feel like the redlight blocks are sort of a hunt. At least a hunt for the one I think is hot. Do a lap or 2 of Vera Cruz then over to Raudal then back to VC.

Mongerer88
09-04-18, 01:12
JjBee62,

I always enjoy your humorous and thought-provoking posts.

If the issue is simply adapting to technology, I think people need to do so. One of my favorite episodes of the cartoon King of the Hill involves the old grandpa who had taken his sons and the friends of his son to a hotel brothel thirty or forty years ago (they all loved it except for the son. The old grandpa decides to take his grandson and the grandson's friends to the same place but the reactions are not positive as grandpa slaps attractive women on the butt and tells the youngsters to pick out a good one, then the camera shows the sign at the now upscale hotel, "Women Trial Lawyer Assiciation Meeting."

Guys who don't adapt run the risk of ending up like that Grandpa.

But I can't help but feel that some of the guys taking issue with Facebook appointments are correctly concerned about disruptive technology entering the South American market, which is relatively more limited to Spanish and Portuguese speakers in comparison to the markets of Europe and Asia that are more easily accessible by English-only speaking johns. I realize The Mansion is the exception, but it only holds so many guests.

For the prototype attractive sex worker who most of us would rate 8-10, the highest prices in the world by far is in the USA Upper-end call girl scene, followed closely by London England and the upscale agencies in Sydney and Melbourne Australia. Canada is less expensive than either of those places, but English-speaking Toronto is more expensive than largely French-speaking Montreal. The recent FOSTA crackdown on sex work in the US has made that market even more difficult to access for American johns.

Those places are likely the most expensive in the world because the Johns there have the highest level of income and wealth. When an English-only speaking John looks at some markets, he realizes that many less expensive markets are fully accessible with a smartphone that he can use WhatsApp and Google Translate with. The market I do most of my posts on, Barcelona, offers a guy willing to translate the ability to read reviews by locals and access relatively lower priced local ladies (in comparison to the prices at brothels that more specifically cater to tourists). Plenty of guys communicate with a lady and find her incall location using electronics in a manner that would simply be impossible with a verbal conversation with his English and her Spanish, even if they know a few words of the other language.

The pricing difference is more pronounced between the South American market and the USA Market than it is between the USA Market and the European market. But a lot more USA English-only speakers make mongering trips to Europe than to South America in my observation.

I have always thought that the lack of ability to easily communicate with women was one of the primary factors driving the favorability of Europe for English-only speakers. I realize there are others, including lack of guest-friendly hotels and perception of greater physical dangers.

But it would seem to me that in the long run, if more USA Guys felt comfortable that they would be making a trip that would result in them actually seeing a specific very attractive lady (or three or four) that they are communicating with online with real pictures and who are reviewed by guys they trust, there would be more travel by these guys to South America.

That would probably result in higher prices as the large price gap decreases a little bit, and South American ladies realize these guys will pay more than the ladies are currently charging.

I could of course be wrong, it is just a hypothesis. But it would rationally explain why a lot of mongers, with a competitive advantage of speaking Spanish and knowing where the non-electronic meeting places are, would dislike ladies starting to use electronic communications accessible by johns worldwide.

I notice on the argentinaprivate forum that one lady, who also has provider friends, advertises very specifically for English speakers and goes out of her way to make the process of seeing her very easy for English-only customers. She charges a ridiculously higher price than her Spanish speaking competitors, and gets blasted in comments by some long-term contributors to that forum (even though she gets good reviews). That would be evidence that some guys reasonably do not want technology to change their existing market in a manner that might significantly increase prices. I am not being critical of them, just presenting a hypothesis.

Big Boss Man
09-04-18, 01:46
I'm curious about one thing. In what way is going to a bar where prostitutes hang out and picking out a prostitute, hunting? Do you hunt for meat at the grocery store? It sounds suspiciously like shopping to me. I can understand going to a strange city, wandering the streets, hitting all the bars and clubs trying to find the bars with the hookers. That sounds like hunting. But, if you're just looking it up on a map, or asking a taxi driver, or another monger, you're simply getting directions to where you're going to shop.

What I described as hunting in the other thread is really shopping. I like to shop in places that others on the ISG Board have not been or at the very least have not been described in reports. If you look in the Madrid thread last June, I reported on 4 places previously unidentified.

If you look at the Buenos Aires thread, you will see that I liked to go to the places listed as therapeutic on the website http://www.todomasajes.net/page00.htm to find the chicas who gave full service.

From my research, I would say there are at least 100 apartments in Belen and Laureles that have not been reviewed on ISG. Nobody seems to travel to the apartments in Bello or at least reports on it.

The local Boards don't use the metaphor of hunting but use the term "going kamikaze. " It means going to a place that has no reviews. However, it is obvious that no one is going to die and everybody is going to return from the mission.

I think when I use the word "hunt", I really mean that I am searching for chica prostitutes that are keepers.

But on the other hand, maybe your definition of hunting is too strict. When my Dad went pheasant hunting in Iowa, he hired a guide who owned bird dogs. By your strict definition, my Dad has never been pheasant hunting because he used other people's expertise to find the best spots.

Combo
09-04-18, 01:58
JjBee.

I, like some of those posters you refer to, enjoy meeting them in person. However, it's not so much the "hunt" that appeals to me. It's the seeing and interacting with them live. You can much better judge both their physical appearance and the chemistry you feel with them when you meet them in person. For me, that greatly increases the odds of a good experience with them en la cama.

FWIW, there are still enough places where you can meet them in person. I rarely use Facebook and I've had no trouble in recent visits meeting and boning hot women. Our hobby hasn't gone to shit like some of the doomsayers insist.

JjBee62
09-04-18, 06:16
Well I feel like the redlight blocks are sort of a hunt. At least a hunt for the one I think is hot. Do a lap or 2 of Vera Cruz then over to Raudal then back to VC.I'll reply to everyone in one post, starting with Wolf662.

My preferred path was down the alley, down 1 side of Veracruz, down to Raudal, cover both sides, then up to Carrera 53, cruise the bars on both sides, up to Carrera 52 a,. Walk it down to Calle 54, take that back to Raudal, cruise, usually the west side, then back up the other side of Veracruz. But that's just the selection process. I walked with a guy who was hunting in El Centro, but he was hitting up all the women working in the stores and kiosks. He found more than one taker.

Mongerer88:

What they're bemoaning is the loss of the frontier. It's inevitable that the frontier will disappear. There was a time, before my time when Ireland and Australia were the places to go. If the stories are halfway true, all you needed was a US Military ID and some basic manners. Money wasn't required other than to take the girls to dinner. Then there was a time when $5 in the Philippines would get you a woman, a bed and breakfast, $25 would get all the above for a week. Now half the hookers in PI have a PayPal account.

There are probably places in Colombia where you can find real bargains, but it's not Medellin. Medellin is too accessible. There are also, probably, some relatively unknown bargain spots in Europe, especially in some of the former Soviet Republics.

Big Boss Man, I think you've got the right idea. It's not so much hunting as TOFTT. Taking one for the team. It's a valuable service you're providing.

As for your dad's hunting. Nothing wrong with using the tools that are available. It means he probably always comes back with a pheasant. That's what Facebook is. Just another tool.

Combo, I like most of the mongers that I've met. A lot of good guys. Each has their own routine that works for them. I've used all the methods. Facebook appeals to me, because it gives me a better understanding of the girls. It adds depth which is usually not going to be found in the bar.

However, I also prefer to meet the women in a bar. Even better if there's a party going on. I'd rather sit and talk before making a decision.

TheCarlAnthony
09-10-18, 16:03
I've tried to say this 1 million times! I agree with every single sentence here! The sizzle concept is icing on the cake! People are forgetting that your having sex! Banging beautiful women. I get there is money involved but don't let $17 extra dollars ruin an amazing experience that you obviously couldn't get for free with equal amounts of effort. I see guys that complain about paying 250 k but will pay 200 k. It blows my mind. I get everyone wants to get the best bang for their buck. Pun intended. But remember you are on vacation. Spoil yourself sometimes! Don't be stupid. Just be realistic. If you want to bang her but she is out of your price range then move on. Take a 2nd 3rd or 4th option but just know. You really wanted to bang her. Weigh it on the scale! Is my mental and physical experience with her worth this amount. She is one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen. Do I pay her say 300 k and remember her for the rest of my life. Or do I pay 7 regular pretty girls 125 k and remember 3 of them. It's all about the experience that you want to give yourself! Remember mongering is one of the most selfish sports to partake in. Sure your "helping" some girl feed her kids but at the end of the day it's about using money to satisfy your "own" sexual needs. When it comes to pleasing yourself. Always go the distance. You'll be way happier at the end of your trips. There's no guarantee the expensive girl will perform better than the cheaper girl or vice versa but the thing I can guarantee is you gave yourself what you will become more in tune with yourself by always spoiling yourself when you have the chance. The money will come and go. You will travel. You will monger. Make it an experience thing rather than a notched on belt thing and you'll enjoy it more. At least I do.


I think what everyone is worried about is that the girl they want won't be available, because someone just sent her some money, or someone took her to Germany. Big deal. Each one of them has 6 cousins, 14 friends and a sister who aren't in Europe, that don't have a WU sugar daddy and are looking for a little bit of money.

Do what makes you happy.

Scamnew
09-20-18, 18:41
Is there a need for a driver to take you around the country?

Is there a list or link to the reliable driver / tour guides around Medellin who can be trusted?

Thanks in advance.

JjBee62
09-21-18, 00:30
Is there a need for a driver to take you around the country?

Is there a list or link to the reliable driver / tour guides around Medellin who can be trusted?

Thanks in advance.Around the country, or around the city? Around the country, it's best to fly. Tickets are not expensive. If you're really on a budget and have the time, take a bus. Hiring a driver to take you around the country will cost more than flying and take as long as riding the bus.

Getting around the city is easy and cheap by either Taxi or Uber. It's even cheaper to take a bus or the metro. Why pay someone $30-$50 for a $5 ride?

What tours are you interested in? What areas of the city or country? There are plenty of guides, but some are better for certain things and others aren't good for certain things.

JjBee62
09-30-18, 13:18
I always read that you don't need Spanish if you stay at Mansion, or stay at Mansion if you can't speak Spanish. This guy stayed at Mansion but mentions needing Spanish, I'm confused.The confusion comes from a misunderstanding, by so many, about the meaning of the word "need." Nobody needs to know Spanish to visit Medellin, or anywhere else. They won't be forced to leave the country if they can't pass a basic Spanish knowledge test at the airport.

If the Mansion is the environment someone prefers, they can stay there and their lack of Spanish will be less noticeable to them. There will always be an English speaker around to help. There will be other guests who either speak Spanish, or have learned, after repeat visits, enough Spanish to get by with what they want to do. Even the girls who hang out there are more likely to be familiar with Google Translate.

If someone speaks no Spanish and stays somewhere else, they will experience more difficulty. There will be frustration and confusion. There's a greater chance they will be victim to some scam. It's unlikely they will enjoy the trip as much as they would if they spent a few hours a day picking up basic Spanish. However, it may not matter to them. They might be happy enough with their trip without Spanish.

Through the forum you can learn several ways to get laid in Medellin. If you know where the casas and strip clubs are, and you have Google Translate, you can get by. You can even limit your restaurants to US franchises and be able to figure out how to order crap by pointing at the menu. If getting laid, cheaply, by young, attractive women is all that matters, Spanish isn't necessary.

However, the more Spanish you know, the more you will get out of your visit. This is especially true if you are doing more than just going to casas and strip clubs every day. Anywhere you go in Medellin you'll find people willing to talk to you. I found it difficult to avoid people who wanted to talk to me. If you get on an elevator and someone else is on, they'll greet you. When they get out, they'll tell you "hasta luego" or "esta bien" (until later / see you later, or be well). Waiters will ask how your food was. Taxi drivers will ask where you're from. Practically every week someone would stop and ask me for directions. Paisas are friendly and they love to talk. If you can talk with them, a whole new world opens up.

When you can handle the basics in Spanish, things get easier. You can acknowledge and reply to greetings, you can ask basic questions. I used to joke that I knew enough Spanish to buy a beer, find the bathroom and get slapped. Now I know more. With a bit of work you can learn the denominations, so you don't have to depend on a cashier to pull the correct amount of money out of the bills you hold out. You can learn to ask if a restaurant has an English menu. You can even learn how to order a hamburger that's not red in the middle.

More importantly, you can talk with the women. Just being able to give a few compliments, and to ask and answer a few questions will improve every encounter and it will open up new opportunities. That cute waitress around the corner from your hotel, the one who always smiles at you, she might be happy to go on a regular date with you. Or she might be happy to come to your room after work for a reasonable fee. Or she might have a friend. The maid who cleans your room might have a daughter, who would be happy to visit. There are thousands of options.

Those doors are out there, just waiting to be opened, but you have to speak the language.

Admin2
10-25-18, 22:17
When you can handle the basics in Spanish, things get easier.Agree 100% on the whole post but didn't want to quote it all again. Thanks for being such an asset to the forum.

JjBee62
03-27-19, 13:17
I learned the hard way to bro. Not to your extreme, but totally not worth all that drama. Guys stop PM'in me for MDE contacts. Haha.

The great day of Medellin are slowly drifting away. Thoughts?The day after someone "discovers" a place it's great days begin drifting away. Fortunately, Medellin is large enough that it will be awhile before it's ruined.

I've talked about sharing info with strangers before. If you plan on seeing the girl again, don't do it. Of course, if I never planning to see a girl again, she's not someone I'd recommend anyway.

My recommendations are reserved for people I know, or people who have an established reputation.

KilledSoul
05-15-19, 05:17
If someone speaks no Spanish and stays somewhere else, they will experience more difficulty. There will be frustration and confusion. There's a greater chance they will be victim to some scam. It's unlikely they will enjoy the trip as much as they would if they spent a few hours a day picking up basic Spanish. However, it may not matter to them. They might be happy enough with their trip without Spanish.Each and every word of this post is true. Thanks JjBee62 for writing it so clearly.

Villainy
07-13-19, 19:05
I've been working on my Spanish for the last few years (slowly) and I'm far from being an expert or anything close.

I've noticed that certain idiomatic phrases in English just don't work in Spanish. Just a few obvious examples: We "take" a shower, they "shower themselves". We "spend" time, they "pass" time.

So, here is the point of my rambling. If I want to inquire about "going down" or "eating pussy" I have a suspicion that these idiomatic expressions won't make any sense in Spanish if translated literally.

I've used this phrase: Podria besarte entre sus piernas? (Could I kiss you between your legs). It generally works as far as understanding goes.

So, I'm curious if any of my amigos here with more polished Spanish know the correct way to phrase the question without being too crude.

Many thanks!

Fun Luvr
07-13-19, 21:55
I've used this phrase: Podria besarte entre sus piernas? (Could I kiss you between your legs). It generally works as far as understanding goes.

So, I'm curious if any of my amigos here with more polished Spanish know the correct way to phrase the question without being too crude.

Many thanks!Puedo besar tu vagina? (May / can I kiss your vagina?) I haven't encountered a chica yet who thinks that is crude. But usually, I start kissing down their stomach, and before getting to the sweet spot, I ask "OK?

John Clayton
07-13-19, 22:52
Puedo besar tu vagina? (May / can I kiss your vagina?) I haven't encountered a chica yet who thinks that is crude. But usually, I start kissing down their stomach, and before getting to the sweet spot, I ask "OK?Vagina is a little clinical. Mamar la panocha, which is my go to phrase in Mexico and the DR, often got blank stares in Colombia. On the Caribbean coast they seemed to like mamar la concha (little shell), but I think "cuca" is most widely understood. But also "papaya" and "la cosita".

Mr Enternational
07-13-19, 22:59
So, I'm curious if any of my amigos here with more polished Spanish know the correct way to phrase the question without being too crude.Why worry about being crude when you are fucking a chick or fucking a chick is on the table? When I am ass nekkit with a chick excuse me would you pass me the condom please is the last thing I would say. I see a lot of guys mentioning asking about things during sex. Just do it and make it natural. Like JC said, what is up with the clinical shit?

SankarShetty
07-21-19, 17:01
I am gearing up for my second trip next month. I posted this in the main Medellin thread but did not receive a response, so this is a repost.

Last year I stayed in Mansion for a couple of days then shifted to San Peter in Laureles for rest of my 10 day trip. My biggest complaint with San Peter is the noise from the bars in the area especially from Thursday to Sunday.

Otherwise, I think its a perfect location to hit up centro during the day and strip clubs plus other P4P areas in the evening. Although I really loved it for the price and location, I think the pricing has crept up in place and is close to Casacol pricing ($50).

As you guys may know Casacol has apartments all over MDE including Moderetto in Laureles. I did check it out last time but did not stay there. Any reviews on Casacol places? Can anyone compare San peter with Moderatto building. Also I have read here that Laureles hotels are not P4P friendly.

Any updated information on the Laureles area by seniors would be appreciated.

Jbj64
07-21-19, 21:09
On my first trip about 2 years ago hotel suite comfort was girl friendly, as in the girl showed ID and then they let her up to the room. Then later that week I stayed in hotel TRYP and same process, show ID at front desk. In both cases registered for 2 persons and never paid a fee.

I have found Airbnb to be less expensive but not as nice as the professional places like casacol. I have not stayed in one but they seem much nicer. The lifeafar website also has some BRAND new places not far from the main park laurles. I am not trying to impress the girls with my apt more with the cash they get. Less paid on apt more on chicas.


I am gearing up for my second trip next month. I posted this in the main Medellin thread but did not receive a response, so this is a repost.

Last year I stayed in Mansion for a couple of days then shifted to San Peter in Laureles for rest of my 10 day trip. My biggest complaint with San Peter is the noise from the bars in the area especially from Thursday to Sunday.

Otherwise, I think its a perfect location to hit up centro during the day and strip clubs plus other P4P areas in the evening. Although I really loved it for the price and location, I think the pricing has crept up in place and is close to Casacol pricing ($50).

As you guys may know Casacol has apartments all over MDE including Moderetto in Laureles. I did check it out last time but did not stay there. Any reviews on Casacol places? Can anyone compare San peter with Moderatto building. Also I have read here that Laureles hotels are not P4P friendly.

Any updated information on the Laureles area by seniors would be appreciated.

Vern2020
07-21-19, 22:11
On my first trip about 2 years ago hotel suite comfort was girl friendly, as in the girl showed ID and then they let her up to the room. Then later that week I stayed in hotel TRYP and same process, show ID at front desk. In both cases registered for 2 persons and never paid a fee.

I have found Airbnb to be less expensive but not as nice as the professional places like casacol. I have not stayed in one but they seem much nicer. The lifeafar website also has some BRAND new places not far from the main park laurles. I am not trying to impress the girls with my apt more with the cash they get. Less paid on apt more on chicas.Thanks, this has been helpful to me. I'm coming in November. I've booked my flight, but have been lurking on the board, waiting to pull the trigger on accommodations. I think I would like a hotel in Laureles over an apartment. I like maid service every day. But would like one that is chica friendly. Might try TRYP. I appreciate all the posts on this board that provide insight on good places to stay, thanks.

Uthred
07-22-19, 01:24
I've been working on my Spanish for the last few years (slowly) and I'm far from being an expert or anything close.

I've noticed that certain idiomatic phrases in English just don't work in Spanish. Just a few obvious examples: We "take" a shower, they "shower themselves". We "spend" time, they "pass" time.

So, here is the point of my rambling. If I want to inquire about "going down" or "eating pussy" I have a suspicion that these idiomatic expressions won't make any sense in Spanish if translated literally.

I've used this phrase: Podria besarte entre sus piernas? (Could I kiss you between your legs). It generally works as far as understanding goes.

So, I'm curious if any of my amigos here with more polished Spanish know the correct way to phrase the question without being too crude.

Many thanks!I always use "Te puedo comer?" It means can I eat you. Sometimes I'll say to puedo comer el culo, meaning can I toss your salad. Crude and straight to the point. The chicas love it when you tell them what you want.

Combo
07-22-19, 02:01
I am gearing up for my second trip next month. I posted this in the main Medellin thread but did not receive a response, so this is a repost.

Last year I stayed in Mansion for a couple of days then shifted to San Peter in Laureles for rest of my 10 day trip. My biggest complaint with San Peter is the noise from the bars in the area especially from Thursday to Sunday.

Otherwise, I think its a perfect location to hit up centro during the day and strip clubs plus other P4P areas in the evening. Although I really loved it for the price and location, I think the pricing has crept up in place and is close to Casacol pricing ($50).

As you guys may know Casacol has apartments all over MDE including Moderetto in Laureles. I did check it out last time but did not stay there. Any reviews on Casacol places? Can anyone compare San peter with Moderatto building. Also I have read here that Laureles hotels are not P4P friendly.

Any updated information on the Laureles area by seniors would be appreciated.Moderetto looks nice. Do you know if they have A / see?

Big Boss Man
07-22-19, 04:22
Moderetto looks nice. Do you know if they have A / see?No air conditioning but the apartment was well-ventilated. If you a night crawler and like to sleep late into the morning, there are some issues with noise from the church bells and the fact it is in the flight path of the airport. Taxi drivers have a hard time finding it which was one reason why I started meeting chicas at short-time hotels. I will probably stay there again.

FortuneWaffers
07-22-19, 17:40
I always use "Te puedo comer?" It means can I eat you. Sometimes I'll say to puedo comer el culo, meaning can I toss your salad. Crude and straight to the point. The chicas love it when you tell them what you want.I plan on asking every attractive girl I see in Colombia if I can comer their culito. Which women responded the best? Street Hoes, regular girls, casa-putas?

SankarShetty
07-23-19, 03:11
Moderetto looks nice. Do you know if they have A / see?Depends on the unit. Some have AC some don't. You can request for one with AC though.

SankarShetty
07-23-19, 03:14
On my first trip about 2 years ago hotel suite comfort was girl friendly, as in the girl showed ID and then they let her up to the room. Then later that week I stayed in hotel TRYP and same process, show ID at front desk. In both cases registered for 2 persons and never paid a fee.

I have found Airbnb to be less expensive but not as nice as the professional places like casacol. I have not stayed in one but they seem much nicer. The lifeafar website also has some BRAND new places not far from the main park laurles. I am not trying to impress the girls with my apt more with the cash they get. Less paid on apt more on chicas.Thanks for your insight. This is valuable. Casacol has several other new units, some in buildings near Centro. I wish someone would try and post a review.

SankarShetty
07-23-19, 03:17
No air conditioning but the apartment was well-ventilated. If you a night crawler and like to sleep late into the morning, there are some issues with noise from the church bells and the fact it is in the flight path of the airport. Taxi drivers have a hard time finding it which was one reason why I started meeting chicas at short-time hotels. I will probably stay there again.That is a nice advantage with the San Peter Suites. FB chicas know the exact place. One time I did not even share the address and the girl was waiting in the bar downstairs in half hour.

JjBee62
07-23-19, 05:11
I plan on asking every attractive girl I see in Colombia if I can comer their culito. Which women responded the best? Street Hoes, regular girls, casa-putas?Well, that should lead to some interesting experiences. If you have any allergies or medical issues you should probably print them out on a card, in Spanish and carry it with you. That will help the medical personnel.

Balboa
07-23-19, 16:22
I plan on asking every attractive girl I see in Colombia if I can comer their culito. Which women responded the best? Street Hoes, regular girls, casa-putas?Do guys like this really exist?

Big Boss Man
07-24-19, 02:18
That is a nice advantage with the San Peter Suites. FB chicas know the exact place. One time I did not even share the address and the girl was waiting in the bar downstairs in half hour.I also found out that many girls do not have data on their phone so when they are traveling you cannot communicate using Whatsapp. For me this is a problem because I can't speak Spanish. I need to use the translator. Sometimes they don't have money for the taxi so they need to find you before they can leave the car. It can be difficult to maintain stealth.

Big Boss Man
08-07-19, 16:53
What is the price per pill in Medellin?

Also known as the Plan be pill.

Ray42
09-04-19, 08:19
Hey, anybody down to grab coffee or a drink sometime? I'm in Medellin for the month, enjoy fase dos and similar clubs a lot.

Turgid
09-17-19, 18:48
I am currently in Medellin and moving from one hotel to another. Today I gave the housekeeper who had been cleaning my room a 50 mil peso tip. Her reaction was priceless. She was so overwhelmed with gratitude and hugged me profusely. I was surprised by her reaction as when she would come to clean my room she would be so quiet and the only words that would come from her mouth were 'buenos dias' on arrival and 'hasta luego' on leaving.

Balboa
09-17-19, 21:02
I am currently in Medellin and moving from one hotel to another. Today I gave the housekeeper who had been cleaning my room a 50 mil peso tip. Her reaction was priceless. She was so overwhelmed with gratitude and hugged me profusely. I was surprised by her reaction as when she would come to clean my room she would be so quiet and the only words that would come from her mouth were 'buenos dias' on arrival and 'hasta luego' on leaving.I appreciate good hearted people, right on Sr. Turgid.

Vern2020
09-20-19, 23:38
Hello,

I'll be heading to Medellin for the first time this November. I have a few questions if anyone has the time to respond:

I believe I read somewhere the tap water is good. No need for bottled water. I drank the tap water in San Jose Costa Rica and had no trouble. Same in Medellin?

I was thinking about a day trip to Guatape. Is is easy to take a bus? Is that the best way to go? Can it all be done in a day trip without staying overnight?

I see a couple of golf courses there. Look like private clubs. I've emailed them to ask about playing, but haven't heard back. Anybody know anything about the possibility of playing golf in Medellin? Should I just leave my clubs at home? Thanks!

Vern2020
09-21-19, 01:00
Facebook.

I've never created a facebook profile in my life, because I really don't want to be on it. But I tried to create one to meet up with girls on my upcoming trip. I used an alias name, but once I took the first steps to create my profile, my page was populated with all my family and co-workers suggesting them as friend requests. That freaked me out a little. Do you think it figured all that out just based on my phone number I gave them? I guess I should have gotten a burner phone first? What I'm really trying to avoid is for people who know me to see an alias profile with my picture and get a suggested friend request. Do you think Facebook would prompt my friends and family with friend requests of my fake profile? If Facebook is prompting me with their profiles, would it also prompt them with mine? Thanks.

Fun Luvr
09-21-19, 01:06
Hello,

I'll be heading to Medellin for the first time this November. I have a few questions if anyone has the time to respond:

I believe I read somewhere the tap water is good. No need for bottled water. I drank the tap water in San Jose Costa Rica and had no trouble. Same in Medellin?

I was thinking about a day trip to Guatape. Is is easy to take a bus? Is that the best way to go? Can it all be done in a day trip without staying overnight?

I see a couple of golf courses there. Look like private clubs. I've emailed them to ask about playing, but haven't heard back. Anybody know anything about the possibility of playing golf in Medellin? Should I just leave my clubs at home? Thanks!The tap water is safe to drink.

You can easily do Guatape in a day. The bus is easy and more relaxing than with most private drivers. If you use the bus, when you get to Gautape, buy your return ticket so you are assured of having a seat.

I don't know anything about the golf courses.

BigMonkeyP
09-21-19, 04:47
I was thinking about a day trip to Guatape. Is is easy to take a bus? Is that the best way to go? Can it all be done in a day trip without staying overnight?Last year I did a day trip to Guatape by helicopter and it was completely worth it!

I think it might have been some sort of special, as they had specific dates listed on their site, and I found it on a Friday and booked it for the coming Sunday.

I believe the special was kind of like a Uber pool or something, meaning they would combine reservations to fill up the helicopter max 5 or 6 people. I was solo.

Lucky me got the first flight out to Guatape, maybe 10 am, and it was just me and the pilot and it was amazing. Coming back at maybe 4 pm was me and another couple. And they do a little tour of sorts and point out a bunch of cool ahot while flying over Medellin.

I recall costs me like $250 usd, and well spent included lunch and access to hotel pool area with great views.

Name if the company was helitours Colombia. Check out their website if they still doing that kind of trip. My first time on helicopter! I got the idea from a chica who had some fancy sugar daddy that took her.

Villainy
09-21-19, 06:20
What I'm really trying to avoid is for people who know me to see an alias profile with my picture and get a suggested friend request.Ahem! (1). Don't put your real picture on your fake profile. C'Mon. Man.

(2). Don't put your real city, your real birthday or your real phone number either. Keep reminding yourself. This is my fake profile.

(3). Having started off like you have. Best to kill this profile and start another from scratch without putting any of your real information.

LeyenLouvain
09-26-19, 00:37
You may have given permission for Facebook to read all your contacts on your phone and use that to suggest people you already know (based on Facebook already having their phone numbers associated to Facebook profiles).

At this point delete your real photo from the fake profile as Facebook may indeed be suggesting your fake profile to your real life contacts.

Vern2020
09-27-19, 00:03
You may have given permission for Facebook to read all your contacts on your phone and use that to suggest people you already know (based on Facebook already having their phone numbers associated to Facebook profiles).

At this point delete your real photo from the fake profile as Facebook may indeed be suggesting your fake profile to your real life contacts.Thanks to everyone for all the feedback to all of my questions. It's crazy to think in the time it takes to make one click of the mouse, Facebook instantly matches me with every contact in my phone and any other person in the world who has my phone number in their contacts! I deleted the account and removed any pictures. Facebook still says it's 30 days to delete an account. This is partly why I never wanted to sign up with them in the first place. Leaning towards only going after casa girls for my trip. Still, I think I should have plenty to keep me satisfied.

Big Boss Man
09-27-19, 03:11
Thanks to everyone for all the feedback to all of my questions. It's crazy to think in the time it takes to make one click of the mouse, Facebook instantly matches me with every contact in my phone and any other person in the world who has my phone number in their contacts! I deleted the account and removed any pictures. Facebook still says it's 30 days to delete an account. This is partly why I never wanted to sign up with them in the first place. Leaning towards only going after casa girls for my trip. Still, I think I should have plenty to keep me satisfied.You can use a burner number to create a fake profile. For 2 months, it will cost you around $11. https://www.burnerapp.com/.

Mojo Bandit
10-05-19, 06:18
Ahem! (1). Don't put your real picture on your fake profile. C'Mon. Man.

(2). Don't put your real city, your real birthday or your real phone number either. Keep reminding yourself. This is my fake profile.


(3). Having started off like you have. Best to kill this profile and start another from scratch without putting any of your real information.I messed up when I tried creating a fake profile and it didn't take the 48 hours to shut mine down. I gave myself a whole fake biography, fake city, fake birth place, fake job, fake colleges, but used my photo!

SosuaPlaya
10-06-19, 07:09
Apologies because this question probably comes up often, but how safe would Medellin be for a solo Asian traveler that speaks no Spanish? I have read the common suggestions of walking with confidence, avoid taking your phone out in public, avoid El Centro at night, be aware of your surroundings, etc. That being said, it seems like gringos and black individuals could sometimes pass as native Colombians easier than say a pale, skinny Southeast Asian male. I was thinking I would stay in El Poblado and work off of escorts and / or chicas off of Facebook and Tinder, with checking out Parque Lleras at night for the SG action as this seems like the suggested safest plan for newbies. Am I being overly paranoid?

JjBee62
10-06-19, 17:57
Apologies because this question probably comes up often, but how safe would Medellin be for a solo Asian traveler that speaks no Spanish? I have read the common suggestions of walking with confidence, avoid taking your phone out in public, avoid El Centro at night, be aware of your surroundings, etc. That being said, it seems like gringos and black individuals could sometimes pass as native Colombians easier than say a pale, skinny Southeast Asian male. I was thinking I would stay in El Poblado and work off of escorts and / or chicas off of Facebook and Tinder, with checking out Parque Lleras at night for the SG action as this seems like the suggested safest plan for newbies. Am I being overly paranoid?Yes. You're being overly paranoid.

First, nobody passes for native Colombian, except for native Colombians. Take a German and stick him in Des Moines, Iowa. Nobody is going to think he's a native.

The suggested, safest option for newbies is probably to stay at the Mansion and let some of the regulars there take you under their wing. Other than a short walk to eat, you won't have to venture out anywhere, but if you do, there will be people who will go with you.

Currently, the biggest risk might be Tinder. Some groups have been using Tinder to target, drug and rob visitors. At least one of those targeted died.

Orgasmico
10-06-19, 19:04
Sign circulating around the neighborhoods in Medellin.

SosuaPlaya
10-07-19, 00:57
Yes. You're being overly paranoid.

First, nobody passes for native Colombian, except for native Colombians. Take a German and stick him in Des Moines, Iowa. Nobody is going to think he's a native.

The suggested, safest option for newbies is probably to stay at the Mansion and let some of the regulars there take you under their wing. Other than a short walk to eat, you won't have to venture out anywhere, but if you do, there will be people who will go with you.

Currently, the biggest risk might be Tinder. Some groups have been using Tinder to target, drug and rob visitors. At least one of those targeted died.Fair point about not passing as a native. I was more or less just worried that being a solo Asian traveler that's a bit diminutive and unimposing may present an appealing target for robbers or other criminals. Would you mind sharing what prices I could expect at the Mansion for ST chicas? Any other casa suggestions that would suit a newbie to Medellin that speaks no Spanish? Do prepagos off of sites have a reputation (positive or negative)?

JjBee62
10-08-19, 00:18
Fair point about not passing as a native. I was more or less just worried that being a solo Asian traveler that's a bit diminutive and unimposing may present an appealing target for robbers or other criminals. Would you mind sharing what prices I could expect at the Mansion for ST chicas? Any other casa suggestions that would suit a newbie to Medellin that speaks no Spanish? Do prepagos off of sites have a reputation (positive or negative)?I believe most of the girls at the Mansion ask for 200 k for an hour. Some can be talked down to 150 k. Just to be clear, the Mansion isn't a casa. It's a hotel. There are girls who hang out at the pool during the day and in the bar at night.

FortuneWaffers
10-08-19, 14:01
Fair point about not passing as a native. I was more or less just worried that being a solo Asian traveler that's a bit diminutive and unimposing may present an appealing target for robbers or other criminals. Would you mind sharing what prices I could expect at the Mansion for ST chicas? Any other casa suggestions that would suit a newbie to Medellin that speaks no Spanish? Do prepagos off of sites have a reputation (positive or negative)?My Chigga, I am on your same boat. Relax, we stick out no matter what but you can always do the following:

1. Hire a guide. They act like pimps most of the time too with their own pool of hoes.

2. Take Ubers or find a recommended car service on social media.

3. Its not hard to write down a few things in Spanish and learn to say them. Things like "yo quiero chicas" (joe-key-ro-chi-cas) at the casa I'd imagine leads to a parade of hoes right there.

4. Check out Catador Colombia forums for local online prepago reviews. Turn the google translate on on your Chrome browser.

5. From the above site, I have learned that Mansion hoes are basically the Facebook hoes, also same price range as online prepagos 100 Mil and Above experiences, Median going for 150-200 Mil, 45-60 USD. The price of a toothless BJ in the Big-Apple.

6. As far as being Asian, I've been told that they will call us Chinos but not mean anything malicious, there are just too few of us there to have formed any stereotypes, just that they know who Jackie Chan is. I wouldn't walk around too afraid and paranoid, that's why a bilingual guide is worth a 100 hoes in this situation. Can also double as a security guide of sorts. Better to get robbed with someone right?

7. If this is your first rodeo, I suggest moving in the shadows.

SosuaPlaya
10-09-19, 04:25
My Chigga, I am on your same boat. Relax, we stick out no matter what but you can always do the following:

1. Hire a guide. They act like pimps most of the time too with their own pool of hoes.

2. Take Ubers or find a recommended car service on social media.

3. Its not hard to write down a few things in Spanish and learn to say them. Things like "yo quiero chicas" (joe-key-ro-chi-cas) at the casa I'd imagine leads to a parade of hoes right there.

4. Check out Catador Colombia forums for local online prepago reviews. Turn the google translate on on your Chrome browser.

5. From the above site, I have learned that Mansion hoes are basically the Facebook hoes, also same price range as online prepagos 100 Mil and Above experiences, Median going for 150-200 Mil, 45-60 USD. The price of a toothless BJ in the Big-Apple.

6. As far as being Asian, I've been told that they will call us Chinos but not mean anything malicious, there are just too few of us there to have formed any stereotypes, just that they know who Jackie Chan is. I wouldn't walk around too afraid and paranoid, that's why a bilingual guide is worth a 100 hoes in this situation. Can also double as a security guide of sorts. Better to get robbed with someone right?

7. If this is your first rodeo, I suggest moving in the shadows.Another Asian brother? I thought I was the only one. Good advice on the guide and the Catador site is cash. Thanks, my bro.

Husker Dude
10-09-19, 16:36
I believe most of the girls at the Mansion ask for 200 k for an hour. Some can be talked down to 150 k. Just to be clear, the Mansion isn't a casa. It's a hotel. There are girls who hang out at the pool during the day and in the bar at night.Like said current Mansion price is 200 k, includes "taxi", although some may take 150. Heard currently no Chicas at pool during day Unless invited in by guest due to recent crackdown of some kind. Plenty at night in the downstairs bar. Only hotel guests allowed. Occasionally they will let outsider in for a fee.

Fun Luvr
10-12-19, 14:46
I have noticed recently that the US stock market has an inverse effect on the dollar / COP exchange rate. Last week, when the stock market was in freefall, the exchange rate was more than 3500 to $1 for a few hours. This week, when the market is going up, the exchange rate is going down. I think the dollar should be stronger when the market is up. Any economics experts out there care to enlighten me?

Mr Enternational
10-12-19, 15:06
I have noticed recently that the US stock market has an inverse effect on the dollar / COP exchange rate. Last week, when the stock market was in freefall, the exchange rate was more than 3500 to $1 for a few hours. This week, when the market is going up, the exchange rate is going down. I think the dollar should be stronger when the market is up. Any economics experts out there care to enlighten me?Has nothing to do with nothing. Only coincidence, not correlation.

GeneHickman
10-12-19, 17:03
I have noticed recently that the US stock market has an inverse effect on the dollar / COP exchange rate. Last week, when the stock market was in freefall, the exchange rate was more than 3500 to $1 for a few hours. This week, when the market is going up, the exchange rate is going down. I think the dollar should be stronger when the market is up. Any economics experts out there care to enlighten me?Prob. More to do with China trade issues than US stock market, though the latter would also be affected by China trade to some extent. If China trade goes south then the peso goes with the other emerging markets lower. Arguably due to more China trade, Colombian peso affected more. The other issue driving peso to keep an eye on is oil price.

Combo
10-13-19, 01:01
I have noticed recently that the US stock market has an inverse effect on the dollar / COP exchange rate. Last week, when the stock market was in freefall, the exchange rate was more than 3500 to $1 for a few hours. This week, when the market is going up, the exchange rate is going down. I think the dollar should be stronger when the market is up. Any economics experts out there care to enlighten me?When there's bad news, especially bad news worldwide, people buy dollars (as well as Swiss franc and Japanese Yen). So it's common to have a sell-off in stocks and a strengthening in the USD (against most currencies) on the same day.

I've traded FX and interest rates most of my life, though I'm still not sure I'd call myself an expert!

BTW -- USD, SF, and JPY are the "safe-haven" currencies.

Fun Luvr
10-13-19, 21:53
When there's bad news, especially bad news worldwide, people buy dollars (as well as Swiss franc and Japanese Yen). So it's common to have a sell-off in stocks and a strengthening in the USD (against most currencies) on the same day.Thanks for the info, Combo. That makes sense.

Mush Elvii
10-27-19, 15:14
I found this to be damm funny to be not sharing here with punters.

http://noticias.chistescol.com/agente-que-se-infiltro-como-travesti-abandono-la-policia-porque-ganaba-mas-plata-de-travesti/?fbclid=IwAR3-yOnK-xlBeCxgdbsv358ipq0vOHtzP-Tl5yyxufFxh_X95f-1zd-yLHM

Mr Enternational
10-27-19, 15:49
I found this to be damm funny to be not sharing here with punters.

http://noticias.chistescol.com/agente-que-se-infiltro-como-travesti-abandono-la-policia-porque-ganaba-mas-plata-de-travesti/?fbclid=IwAR3-yOnK-xlBeCxgdbsv358ipq0vOHtzP-Tl5yyxufFxh_X95f-1zd-yLHMA lot of those jokers are only gay for pay.

Vern2020
11-03-19, 00:23
I'm less than a week away from coming to Medellin for the first time. This might sound like a stupid question but, I was told exchanging money in the airport is a ripoff. There is an ATM right next to my hotel, and I plan to use my bank card in the ATMs for the best rate. My question is how do I pay for my taxi from the airport? Do they take credit cards? And if I remember correctly, I think I read it is not customary to tip taxi drivers in Colombia. Is that right? What about tipping in restaurants now that I think about it? Thanks.

Mr Enternational
11-03-19, 00:27
I'm less than a week away from coming to Medellin for the first time. This might sound like a stupid question but, I was told exchanging money in the airport is a ripoff. There is an ATM right next to my hotel, and I plan to use my bank card in the ATMs for the best rate. My question is how do I pay for my taxi from the airport? Do they take credit cards? And if I remember correctly, I think I read it is not customary to tip taxi drivers in Colombia. Is that right? What about tipping in restaurants now that I think about it? Thanks.Use the ATM in the airport and get that tipping stuff out of your head.

Vern2020
11-18-19, 19:49
Here are some of my chit chat thoughts from my recent trip. A lot of this will sound obvious to the regulars, but this is geared more for newbies since I was just a newbie myself.

- Learn spanish. If you are planning to come to Medellin. I would plan the trip at least 6 months from now and spend the time learning spanish if you don't know any. It's also a good investment in time and effort if you ever plan to go to other spanish-speaking counties in the future. I have only basic spanish, but it really helped. I can only imagine how difficult it would be here to have no spanish.

- ATMs. My card didn't work at Banco de Bogota ATMs, but it worked at others. If your transaction doesn't go through, don't panic. Try some other banks. Also, I found that the transactions went through easier if I just pressed one of the pre-selected amounts. When I tried to do a custom amount, it would often not go through. Although I wanted to take out more money at a time, the most I could take out at once was 780,000. Most ATMs the limit was 600,000.

- Know the precise location if you are going to visit a casa. They do not have signs out front. You need to know ahead of time the exact building you are going to. If you think you can just go the the approximate location and find it by walking around, you are mistaken.

- Credit cards. At some places they will try to charge you in US dollars on the credit card machine, when they do this they use a slightly worse rate than the going rate. This actually only amounts to pennies when paying for a meal at a restaurant, so no big deal. But at my hotel, when paying for 9 nights I saved some decent money by having him re-do the transaction in pesos instead of dollars.

- Cabs. Cabs are super cheap and plentiful all over town. I was surprised how many cab drivers didn't really know where they were going though. I had to pull up directions on my phone and help them get there quite a few times. The subway is cheap, and I found it to be a fun way to kind of tour the city and interact with the people. But for practical purposes as far as getting anywhere, I would just cab or uber. I just rode the subway and metro cable as a tourist thing to do.

GBN94
11-23-19, 10:11
Just curious but what is with the numerous Colombian escorts with the large tattoo of a skull on their thigh?

Gaius Marius
11-25-19, 05:06
I have no idea about the skull. But speaking of tattoos has anyone on here gotten a tattoo in Medellin? I am wondering who some of the best artists in the area are and pricing.

Gaius Marius
11-25-19, 16:36
I bought my pharmacy meds in Poblado and was wondering if the pharmacies overcharge since they know the tourists are abundant in the area. Everything from Ibuprofen to Pepto Bismol was overpriced. I also bought some generic Cialis and some Colombian Modafinil. I can say that the Modafinil was either fake or seriously under dosed because I did not feel a thing from it. I cannot recall the price on them but the name on the box was Vigia 200 MG. I only bought them because when I asked for Adderall they said that in Colombia they don't sell that kind of stuff. The generic Cialis seemed to work. I usually bring along my OTC drugs with me but on this trip I ran out! Where do you seasoned vets buy your meds in Medellin? I usually don't care if prices are a little higher than normal but as an example I was sold 600 MG tabs of Ibuprofen at about 2 k a piece. Outrageous but I was desperate and did not care at the time.

JjBee62
11-26-19, 21:55
I bought my pharmacy meds in Poblado and was wondering if the pharmacies overcharge since they know the tourists are abundant in the area. Everything from Ibuprofen to Pepto Bismol was overpriced. I also bought some generic Cialis and some Colombian Modafinil. I can say that the Modafinil was either fake or seriously under dosed because I did not feel a thing from it. I cannot recall the price on them but the name on the box was Vigia 200 MG. I only bought them because when I asked for Adderall they said that in Colombia they don't sell that kind of stuff. The generic Cialis seemed to work. I usually bring along my OTC drugs with me but on this trip I ran out! Where do you seasoned vets buy your meds in Medellin? I usually don't care if prices are a little higher than normal but as an example I was sold 600 MG tabs of Ibuprofen at about 2 k a piece. Outrageous but I was desperate and did not care at the time.Pharmacy prices vary widely from store to store. The Aleman pharmacies always seemed to be more expensive. Last time I bought ibuprofen I think I paid 8 k for 10,800 MG. 4 packs of 50 MG sildenafil run around 8 k as well.

Get away from Parque Lleras and you should find better prices.

Wolf662
01-14-20, 22:46
I really like them and the local teams shirts like AN (Atltico Nacional) will gets you lots of thumbs up in bars. Although I did have some awkward moments in Barra Ejecutiva with some drunk guys asking me who my fav player was. I rolled the dice and said "Juan". LOL.

Anywho I have found the cheapest place to buy them last time I was in town was a street vendor on the corner of Calle 50 and Car 49 (Junin) for 10 k.

I did have more of them but US GF's keep taking them. LOL.

The 2 on the left though I got in Costa Rica, Deportivo Saprissa and LDA (Liga Deportiva Alajuelense). 2 of my favs when I was growing up in CR as a kid.

JjBee62
02-10-22, 04:18
Was at Patrick's Irish Pub recently and hit it off with one of the waitresses. She said she's free tomorrow but wasn't sure if she was saying that she's available or if she's just telling me that. Has anyone gone out / gone for GFE with the waitresses at the Pub or other establishments? TIA.I've gone out with waitresses from other places, not Patrick's. If she tells you she's free, she's interested in spending time with you. That could mean she wants you to take her shopping, or it could mean she wants to get nasty with you, most likely for money.

Just ask her "Que quieres hacer conmigo?" What do you want to do with me? You'll get an answer that indicates her interest.

Osteoknot
02-11-22, 19:00
Just ask her "Que quieres hacer conmigo?" What do you want to do with me? You'll get an answer that indicates her interest.Designed specifically for Medellin. I have not done enough field testing to say "it works" but my Gestalt is that it does. I also designed it for when you only have seconds to spare. Normally I get a response of amusement, and yes, I agree, include your Whassap number.

"Te gustara ser mi novia por dos horas?

Or, "Would you like to be my girlfriend for two hours?" You can use whatever number for the hours that fits the situation. I use it anywhere, anytime.

If they say yes, you will get laid. Delivery is key. If you look or sound like a lecherous serial axe murderer, then don't expect results, jajja. I've never had anyone get pissed or upset but of course I've had some rejections. If you have fear of rejection, then don't try it. When she says yes, have a specific plan in mind for the follow up right then and there. Seize the moment. Fuck her in the next 30 minutes or that night at the latest before you lose momentum.

I should not share this pearl because if it gets too widely used I believe it will lose effectiveness. However, I love you guys and I will simply think of a new and better line. Jajajajjaa, let's Keep On Keepin' On, together.

Huacho
02-15-22, 22:53
"400 mil pesos? Qué rico amor, te entiendo. Pero siempre pago 200 Mill por un rato. Quizás encuentro te un otro día.""Quizas encuentro te un otro día"

You want 'quizás te encuentro' and you don't use un with otro; it's included. Otro means both 'other' and 'another. ' Therefore 'un otro' and 'una otra' would be redundant.

Osteoknot
02-16-22, 02:51
The current stats are nothing than more markers for a dwindling disease, at best. Some regions and countries are getting it right by claiming the epidemic is over and ignoring the data. Future state depends mainly on the appearance of any new variants, but those who are unvaccinated will be playing catch up and may encounter legal problems from trying to needlessly beat the system. Every new vaccine has a predictable percentage of anti-vaxers, and their arguments are just as predictable, uninformed, and pedestrian, every time.

This was the Purrfekt Storm and the worst managed vaccine program in history partly because of some novel behaviors in the virus, but mainly because this was the first worldwide epidemic since the invention of the Internet. Information overload, unprepared, Classic GIGO, Garbage In, Garbage Out, for results.

If a different virus appear on the horizon, with a significantly higher attack and mortality rate, and we don't use lessons learned from this giant Klusterfuk, it will be the end of mankind. Add it to the list for the Doomsayers worried about Super Volcano, Deep Space Gamma Ray burst, Comet Impact, Nuclear Holocaust, Zombie Apocalypse, and Global Warming.

I have been predicting for 30 years that if the end of mankind comes, it will be from infectious disease. Consider Covid a "warning shots across the bow" from the Cosmic Blueberry Muffin or whatever it is you turn to in you bleakest moments.

Now you may to your Piranha Pool, jeje.

Osteoknot
02-16-22, 04:31
First of all, not all drugs are the same. Heroin is not penicillin. Oxygen is a drug. Water will kill you if you drink too much from hyponatremia, among other electrolyte imbalances. Room air, or the air you normally breathe is only 21% oxygen. Most of what you respire is nitrogen. 100% oxygen is toxic due to the damage done by the caustic and abrasive singlet oxygen free radicals.

BTW, this is all off the top of my head, maybe you can find errors if you are so inclined, jeje.

We are at a tipping point in the history of pharmaceutical drugs right now. Elon Musk sees it when he toys with his detractors about his marijuana use. The pharmaceutical companies are poised. Cannabis clinics flourish and now there are IV ketamine clinics.

Heroin is not alcohol, cigarettes are not cannabis, crack is not methamphetamine.

Yet again, I am presenting from a viewpoint of education, background, personal and professional experience. But I don't like to talk about intelligence or credentials unless it's a professional setting (someone's getting paid for their advice) because I believe concepts should stand on their own.

Intelligence is the most overrated human characteristic of all time.

There is a huge difference between addiction and dependence and recreational use. I go pretty soft on the people who lump all recreational drugs as "bad and evil" because usually they have intense negative personal experiences with family members. Daddy hit mommy after drinking. Sister stole from everyone to support her habit. Little Johnny had to watch his mom turn tricks to get money for dope. You get the idea. That is some pretty heavy duty environmental influence leading to bias.

Speaking of bias, guess what the greatest bias and prejudice of all time is?

Reality bias. Reality is for people who can't handle their drugs, jajajajjaaja.

Ostee Out, more to come.

Lefeu
02-16-22, 05:14
"Quizas encuentro te un otro da"...Curious to know whether one can use talvez instead of quizas.

Huacho
02-16-22, 05:16
Curious to know whether one can use talvez instead of quizas.Yes. Those two words are synonyms.

Osteoknot
02-16-22, 06:13
Yes. Those two words are synonyms.You ain't kidding when you said you studied the language. Strong work.

What did you do with your spare time, jeje?

Knowledge
02-16-22, 16:30
Dear Moderator,

May I respectfully and humbly request the attempts at Spanish lessons be moved to its own thread or combined with the stupid shit thread? It's off topic and, incidentally, of inconsistent accuracy. Please and thank you.


Curious to know whether one can use talvez instead of quizas.

ChuckRanger
02-16-22, 20:41
First of all, not all drugs are the same. Heroin is not penicillin. Oxygen is a drug. Water will kill you if you drink too much from hyponatremia, among other electrolyte imbalances. Room air, or the air you normally breathe is only 21% oxygen. Most of what you respire is nitrogen. 100% oxygen is toxic due to the damage done by the caustic and abrasive singlet oxygen free radicals.

BTW, this is all off the top of my head, maybe you can find errors if you are so inclined, jeje.

We are at a tipping point in the history of pharmaceutical drugs right now. Elon Musk sees it when he toys with his detractors about his marijuana use. The pharmaceutical companies are poised. Cannabis clinics flourish and now there are IV ketamine clinics.

Heroin is not alcohol, cigarettes are not cannabis, crack is not methamphetamine.

Yet again, I am presenting from a viewpoint of education, background, personal and professional experience. But I don't like to talk about intelligence or credentials unless it's a professional setting (someone's getting paid for their advice) because I believe concepts should stand on their own.

Intelligence is the most overrated human characteristic of all time..I created an account just to say how much I agree with this post. Bravo.

Osteoknot
02-16-22, 23:00
I created an account just to say how much I agree with this post. Bravo.But that's where it ended up, jaja.

The Tussi is not like any other drug on the market and represents a new wave of drugs that will soon be marketed by Big Pharma to "optimize and enhance" your life even if there is nothing really "wrong" with you to begin with.

Fudi Maar
03-22-22, 15:45
Guys,

If you don't want to use a taxi to get from the airport to Medellin city centre, then there are great little buses that run every 15 minutes.

- Come out of the airport and there will be taxi touts offering you their services. Just say "No gracias" and continue walking to the front of the taxi queue and you will see at least a couple of small buses waiting.

- There will be a guy working for the bus company and just ask him if the bus goes to Medellin ("centro de Medellin?" or "San Diego centro commercial?

- Give him your luggage and he will give you a green slip as receipt and store your suitcase in the boot. Take your valuables with you in the bus.

- Just take a seat. You pay the fare (13 K) when you leave the bus. Have cash ready, doesn't need to be the exact amount as the driver has change.

- The journey is about 30 minutes and the buses are very comfortable and modern.

- You will be dropped off at the San Diego shopping mall.

- From here, there is a queue of yellow cabs waiting, and just jump into one and head to wherever your hotel is. I went to a hotel 2 miles away at calle 61 and the fare was just 9 K in the taxi.

The driver was a nice old man who actually waited for me till I got inside the hotel (it is not the best area) to make sure I was safe.

It was all pretty painless actually. I don't feel safe using airport taxis, especially in countries like this one, and I would recommend the bus option.

ChuchoLoco
03-22-22, 16:55
But that's where it ended up, jaja.

The Tussi is not like any other drug on the market and represents a new wave of drugs that will soon be marketed by Big Pharma to "optimize and enhance" your life even if there is nothing really "wrong" with you to begin with.Where did you get your information from? About 50 years ago there was a drug called MDA that was basically the original Tussi or Molly type drug. It has never become legal. So, Tussi is not really New Wave and your prediction that it will become legal is baseless unless you have some sort of proof like you require from others.

Osteoknot
03-23-22, 04:39
Where did you get your information from? About 50 years ago there was a drug called MDA that was basically the original Tussi or Molly type drug. It has never become legal. So, Tussi is not really New Wave and your prediction that it will become legal is baseless unless you have some sort of proof like you require from others.MDMA is the generic chemical name for Ecstasy. That was not the original Tussy drug. The original Tussy drug is nowhere to be found and come out of a scientific paper published in the early 1900's, I am not going to look it up but I have seen it. What the sell now is the cartel's attempt to reproduce the original.

The only thing I can recall predicting would become legal is "enhancement" drugs that will be used to optimize mental status and not treat preexisting disease.

And I was not aware of requiring proof. Most of the things we do or believe can never be proved. Einstein said it best, "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts".

Now, I will return to the reason we are all here, to fuck the beautiful girl who just walked thru my open door. Ostee Out.

JohnHancock11
03-23-22, 08:21
Guys,

If you don't want to use a taxi to get from the airport to Medellin city centre, then there are great little buses that run every 15 minutes.

- Come out of the airport and there will be taxi touts offering you their services. Just say "No gracias" and continue walking to the front of the taxi queue and you will see at least a couple of small buses waiting.

- There will be a guy working for the bus company and just ask him if the bus goes to Medellin ("centro de Medellin?" or "San Diego centro commercial?

- Give him your luggage and he will give you a green slip as receipt and store your suitcase in the boot. Take your valuables with you in the bus.

- Just take a seat. You pay the fare (13 K) when you leave the bus. Have cash ready, doesn't need to be the exact amount as the driver has change.

- The journey is about 30 minutes and the buses are very comfortable and modern..How late do the buses run? And would there be taxis at the mall there at say 9 pm or later?

JjBee62
03-23-22, 22:05
How late do the buses run? And would there be taxis at the mall there at say 9 pm or later?I believe the last bus leaves the airport at 10 or 11 pm. There should be taxis waiting. If not, there is a casino just around the corner where you should be able to get a taxi.

The bus stop is on Avenida Las Palmas just before it ends at Avenida Poblado. You can cut through the corner of the mall to get to Avenida Poblado. Depending on how much luggage you have and where you're staying you can cross Avenida Poblado and catch a southbound bus and get off at Parque Poblado. Cost is about 2500 COP.

Fun Luvr
03-24-22, 02:47
How late do the buses run? And would there be taxis at the mall there at say 9 pm or later?I believe the buses run from the airport into the wee hours of the morning. The name of the bus company is Combuses S.A. The buses are white with green lettering and stripes on the sides. Word AEROPUERTO will be across the top of the windshield. I arrived in December late at night (little after 11 pm when I got out of the airport), and the buses were still running. Information on the Internet says they run from the airport 24 hours a day, but I wouldn't depend on that. The fare is 13,000 COP.

When you are dropped off near the San Diego mall, there will be a group of young ladies there to help you with your luggage and hail a taxi for you. You have to walk across a little traffic island to the street where the taxi will pick you up. Normally, I arrive at San Diego between 6 and 6:30 pm. Most of the time there aren't any, or only two or three, taxis waiting. No worries, the ladies will get a taxi for you. It is safe where you are dropped off.

If your destination is Poblado or Laureles, get off at San Diego. Most of the people on the bus will get off there, so just follow the crowd.

KindAn
03-24-22, 04:02
But that's where it ended up, jaja.

The Tussi is not like any other drug on the market and represents a new wave of drugs that will soon be marketed by Big Pharma to "optimize and enhance" your life even if there is nothing really "wrong" with you to begin with.Tussi (2 CB) has been around for decades (if I remember the inventor of MDMA made it to deal with the comedowns), but as you rightly say its 'new to the market' as previously it was only psychedelic nerds that did it. Although from what I remember reading (this could be wrong) Colombian 2 CB has no 2 CB in it and is mostly ket + other stuff like molly. Real 2 CB is pretty fun, non addictive and has no comedown.

Osteoknot
03-24-22, 09:43
Tussi (2 CB) has been around for decades (if I remember the inventor of MDMA made it to deal with the comedowns), but as you rightly say its 'new to the market' as previously it was only psychedelic nerds that did it. Although from what I remember reading (this could be wrong) Colombian 2 CB has no 2 CB in it and is mostly ket + other stuff like molly. Real 2 CB is pretty fun, non addictive and has no comedown.We vary a bit on the history and my source was a masters psychology Colombian student and competitive roller blade racer who selectively sold her wet holes on the side. She was also the single hottest chica I have ever seen on this planet except for Catgirl.

I would say the same thing for the good stuff they call Tussy now here, pretty fun, non addictive and has no comedown. There is stuff out there that could kill you adulterated with heroin or fentanyl but I haven't heard of any lately.

ChuchoLoco
03-24-22, 15:12
MDMA is the generic chemical name for Ecstasy. That was not the original Tussy drug. The original Tussy drug is nowhere to be found and come out of a scientific paper published in the early 1900's, I am not going to look it up but I have seen it. What the sell now is the cartel's attempt to reproduce the original.

The only thing I can recall predicting would become legal is "enhancement" drugs that will be used to optimize mental status and not treat preexisting disease.

And I was not aware of requiring proof. Most of the things we do or believe can never be proved. Einstein said it best, "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts".

Now, I will return to the reason we are all here, to fuck the beautiful girl who just walked thru my open door. Ostee Out.If it feels good, do it. Tussi and pussi both feel good alone and together so let's leave it at that. Not worth wasting time on anything else unless it feels good too. Another guy just posted something interesting about Tussi worth reading. Have fun, stay safe.

MarquisdeSade1
07-10-22, 02:58
Apparently a new high was hit yesterday topping out over 4400 COP to the USD and I withdrew 2,700,000 COP from a Scotia ATM, and maybe should of withdrawn more. When the new President was elected the exchange rate was like 3960. It would appear the exchange rate has changed over 11% in the three weeks since the election.

Does anyone know what is driving the devaluation of the Peso so much. I'm assuming having a leftist President has something to do with it, and I read an article that he had ran on a platform of cutting back on oil and gas, yet one of his spokespersons said they weren't going to do this. Gasoline is just over 9,000 COP per gallon here in Colombia as they sell it buy the gallon not the liter. At the way the exchange rate is going, gas here in Colombia will be like $ 2 USD a gallon, where as in the USA, it's double to triple that. The devaluation of the Peso it's great for foreigners, but not for the Colombians. I remember coming to Colombia when the exchange rate was under 2,000 COP. Even though there has been a dramatic price increases for everything here in Colombia, with the way the exchange rate has been going, it's never been cheaper.

People in the States sometimes ask me how expensive things are in Colombia, and I sent a few people photos from different food aisles from an EXITO with all the prices of things, one was from a bread counter and the other of fruits and vegetables. At the time I told them to just divide everything by 4,000 to get a sense of what things cost, and also told them that this was a higher end market and with the exception of the breads, all the fruits and vegetables could be bought for easily 1/2 to 1/4 from street vendors or other markets. Most people could not believe how in-expensive fruits and vegetables are, along with being so fresh.

The situation here with the exchange rate kind of reminds of how in-expensive things were in Argentina when I visited in February 2000 just before the Pandemic was declared. I was exchanging money on the blue market, and would buy things in the market, especially imported items, that were easily 1/2 what they would cost in the USA.

And as an example, it's cheaper here in Colombia to buy American candy like M&M peanuts than in the USA right now. But it still isn't cheaper to buy Haagen-Dazs ice cream yet, but maybe soon.https://walletinvestor.com/forex-forecast/usd-cop-prediction

TooDirty
07-10-22, 03:46
Pure speculation on my part, but I expect it back in the 3900 range within 2 or 3 weeks.Where's the best place to buy pesos if in the USA to get the best exchange rate?

Huacho
07-10-22, 05:14
Does anyone know what is driving the devaluation of the Peso so much. I think it's more of a strong dollar than it is a weak peso. The euro is down to $1. 02. Rising US interest rates are for sure a factor.

Surfer500
07-10-22, 16:52
I got the expected 4,369 (and change) today. I'm looking forward to Tuesday and pulling again at 4,420 (or close to it). Once a person learns how the XE rate and the Visa Exchange rate work you can really maximize your withdrawals.Perhaps you could explain how the XE and Visa Rates work. I just checked the Visa rate 4369 and the XE rate 4418, it's my understanding that if I went to an ATM I would get the Visa rate, yet the XE rate is higher. So when could I get the XE Rate. Is there a time delay. Or will I never get that rate because it's moving target, where as I have assumed the Visa rate is fixed for the day. So if this is correct, where does the XE Rate come in, is it a forecast perhaps, and the next day the Visa rate will catch up.

Maybe these sound like some pretty stupid questions for some, and perhaps you shed some light on what you have brought up.

Turgid
07-10-22, 18:02
I think it's more of a strong dollar than it is a weak peso. The euro is down to $1. 02. Rising US interest rates are for sure a factor.I'm not so sure about this. The Ukraine war is driving down the Euro and GBP. The low peso might have something to do with the change in administration. Many other currencies are unchanged against the US dollar.

Fun Luvr
07-10-22, 19:36
Finally, where I am sure some Users would agree with you, how large a chunk of the User population do you believe you speak for other than yourself? Keep in mind the Users who don't mind a view of a penis in action or even like it will be predisposed to not write or say anything due to selection bias. Do you believe your personal taste speaks for the "majority" of the users here or what is your guesstimate? 51%? 75%, 99% 10% 1%? Even if twenty guys post who agree with you, that still proves nothing. The heart and soul of this Website it the silent majority, not the frequent posters, and I believe I understand my audience from past experience.Too bad this website doesn't have a survey capability where users vote anomalously. My estimate is you would get less than 10% support.

Huacho
07-10-22, 20:52
Where's the best place to buy pesos if in the USA to get the best exchange rate?Absolutely flat ass nowhere and why on earth would you want to do that?

John Gault
07-10-22, 22:44
I'm not so sure about this. The Ukraine war is driving down the Euro and GBP. The low peso might have something to do with the change in administration. Many other currencies are unchanged against the US dollar.(The low peso might have something to do with the change in administration. } Yes that is the main reason. People who control the rates are afraid of the new Pres being a communist. This was mentioned before the election that if this man wins the pesos would take a hit.

Funny first I used to divide by 2 then 3 then 4. Now maybe 5 will be the new division point in the near future.

Villainy
07-10-22, 23:33
(The low peso might have something to do with the change in administration. } Yes that is the main reason. People who control the rates are afraid of the new Pres being a communist. This was mentioned before the election that if this man wins the pesos would take a hit.

Funny first I used to divide by 2 then 3 then 4. Now maybe 5 will be the new division point in the near future.You think so, huh? You are aware that Colombia has a political system that in many ways is very similar to the US. The Legislature enacts laws just as they do in our political system.

The Legislative branchs duty is to amend the constitution, make laws ,and exercise political control over the government and the administration. Congress is the body in charge of the legislative function and it is made up of the Senate and the House of Representatives. (Constitucin Poltica de Colombia. Art. 114. (1991)).

So, fear that a leftist President is going to create a Communist state is patently absurd. Petro has nothing close to major support in the Senate or the House of Representatives.

So, what caused the peso to devalue by almost 10% in the last 2 months (5-11 to 7-11) is tied to a plethora of causes. The Fed raising interest rates causes US Governments to trade at lower values and therefore higher rates (Interest Rates and Bond Prices are inversely related). Countries that held Colombian Governments are trading into more secure and higher earning US Governments. Colombia has also printed higher inflation than it has in many years, which is no doubt creating a rush to the world's reserve currency. Oil prices are wavering and oil is Colombia's main export.

There are probably 20 more factors that interact in how the Colombian currency trades vs. US currency. Petro's election is probably a minor factor.


People who control the rates are afraid of the new Pres being a communist. People who control the rates?? People who actively trade (currency traders) Colombian Pesos are not ignorant of how Colombia's political system works.

Villainy
07-10-22, 23:42
I know you directed your post to Villainy, but I will try to explain. Up until about a month ago, Visa changed their rate at midnight GMT. Now they change it at midnight local time. The XE rate is a mid-market rate, which is a the midpoint between the currency dealers' bid and ask rates. I don't know what time of day Visa gets that rate. Once Visa gets that mid-market rate, they will not change their rate at midnight of that day, but at midnight of the next day. That rate is fixed for 24 hours. So, the XE rate on Monday will be Visa's rate at midnight Tuesday until midnight Wednesday. Since there is no currency trading on the weekend, just X out those two days from the schedule. It is a fixed schedule. If the XE rate is going up, wait to use the ATM. If the XE rate goes down, you have the next day to get the rate before it went down at the ATM. I hope all that makes sense.I agree with what Fun wrote. But there is one nuance. Monday's rate is the same as it was on Saturday and Sunday.

So here is how you can visualize it.

M -- W. Monday's closing XE rate should be about what the Visa Exch Rate will be on Wednesday. Follow the pattern from there. The Visa Exch Rate is what you get at the ATMs.

Tu -- Th.

W -- F.

Th -- Sa Su M.

F -- Tu.

Sa & Su closed.

JjBee62
07-11-22, 00:08
Where's the best place to buy pesos if in the USA to get the best exchange rate?At an ATM in Colombia.

Afew years ago Bank of America had a good rate for account holders. I have no idea of that's still the case.

Unless you plan on spending a lot of time in Colombia there's no advantage to buying pesos in the USA. You'll only save a few dollars.

DonMedellin
07-11-22, 02:11
Where's the best place to buy pesos if in the USA to get the best exchange rate?COP isn't a widely accepted currency outside of Colombia. My Colombian friends would buy USD before they travel abroad, and once they arrive, they will exchange USD to whatever local currency they need. This even include their neihboring country Peru. If you are not near Miami or other big cities with large COL population, your luck to get COP is low.

Chicago85
07-11-22, 03:14
Pure speculation on my part, but I expect it back in the 3900 range within 2 or 3 weeks.Could happen and would be my luck as that's the next time I'll visit jajaja!

Lucky Nuts
07-11-22, 03:34
You think so, huh? You are aware that Colombia has a political system that in many ways is very similar to the US. The Legislature enacts laws just as they do in our political system.

The Legislative branchs duty is to amend the constitution, make laws ,and exercise political control over the government and the administration. Congress is the body in charge of the legislative function and it is made up of the Senate and the House of Representatives. (Constitucin Poltica de Colombia. Art. 114. (1991)).

So, fear that a leftist President is going to create a Communist state is patently absurd. Petro has nothing close to major support in the Senate or the House of Representatives.

So, what caused the peso to devalue by almost 10% in the last 2 months (5-11 to 7-11) is tied to a plethora of causes. The Fed raising interest rates causes US Governments to trade at lower values and therefore higher rates (Interest Rates and Bond Prices are inversely related). Countries that held Colombian Governments are trading into more secure and higher earning US Governments. Colombia has also printed higher inflation than it has in many years, which is no doubt creating a rush to the world's reserve currency. Oil prices are wavering and oil is Colombia's main export.

There are probably 20 more factors that interact in how the Colombian currency trades vs. US currency. Petro's election is probably a minor factor.

People who control the rates?? People who actively trade (currency traders) Colombian Pesos are not ignorant of how Colombia's political system works.According to this article a new President has "90 days as president during which decrees can be signed without the support of Congress".

https://time.com/6188361/colombia-presidential-election-gustavo-petro-rodolfo-hernandez/

My expectation is that the peso will conitinue to weaken somewhat as Petro increases social programs spending. But much of that is already priced in at well over 4000. You might recall the rate quickly jumped back to 3700 the Monday after it looked like Hernandez would be a serious contender in the runoff.

And as the Fed increases rates the dollar will stay strong. So I think we'll be enjoying a great exchange rate for some time to come. Anything over 4000 is "great" imo. We might even be treated to some "super great" rates LOL.

TooDirty
07-11-22, 04:08
Absolutely flat ass nowhere and why on earth would you want to do that?Maybe one couldn't get away for now, but also thought the exchange rate had reached it's peak, or that person thought the US dollar might tank.

Villainy
07-11-22, 07:52
According to this article a new President has "90 days as president during which decrees can be signed without the support of Congress".

https://time.com/6188361/colombia-presidential-election-gustavo-petro-rodolfo-hernandez/

My expectation is that the peso will conitinue to weaken somewhat as Petro increases social programs spending. But much of that is already priced in at well over 4000. You might recall the rate quickly jumped back to 3700 the Monday after it looked like Hernandez would be a serious contender in the runoff.

And as the Fed increases rates the dollar will stay strong. So I think we'll be enjoying a great exchange rate for some time to come. Anything over 4000 is "great" imo. We might even be treated to some "super great" rates LOL.Ruling by decree and bypassing Congress is not so easy. He would have to declare an emergency and that is subject to review by the Constitutional Court which (by the way) is centrist and not far left leaning.

https://theglobalamericans.org/2022/06/gustavo-petro-hard-time/

Higher inflation data has probably had more of an effect than anything else.

Huacho
07-11-22, 12:26
Unless you plan on spending a lot of time in Colombia there's no advantage to buying pesos in the USA. You'll only save a few dollars.Huh? What? So if you DO plan to spend a lot of time in Colombia there IS an advantage to buying COP in the Yew Ess? What? WTF? You'll only save a few dollars? Save a few dollars how? You'll get absolutely fucked senseless buying COP in the Yew Ess.

Really scratching my head on this one. There is no advantage whatsoever to obtaining COP in the Yew Ess at any time, under any circumstances, for any reason.

Huacho
07-11-22, 12:35
Maybe one couldn't get away for now, but also thought the exchange rate had reached it's peak, or that person thought the US dollar might tank.Therefore that person would buy an extremely illiquid and poorly convertible currency, with high transaction costs (especially the bid-ask spread) and hold it in physical uninsured theft prone cash in hopes of some future possible visit. Or, that person thinks they are smarter than the global currency traders. Neither passes my logic test. Even if a particular person thought the US dollar 'might tank,' why would that lead one to COP vs. A more stable and convertible currency?

Zeos1
07-11-22, 17:00
I'm not so sure about this. The Ukraine war is driving down the Euro and GBP. The low peso might have something to do with the change in administration. Many other currencies are unchanged against the US dollar.Look at the US dollar against the basket measure of other currencies, it is extremely strong. All, or almost all, other currencies are down against the US dollar in the past couple of months. Things that happen in the individual countries may modify that a bit, but by far the biggest part is the strength of the US dollar. It is considered a safe haven with rising interest rates, inflation, etc. Etc. And especially as US Fed raises rates the US dollar strengthens, as not all other central banks are raising rates as quickly.

Knowledge
07-11-22, 17:29
There is a bit of overthinking in this series of posts. I don't find politics especially interesting, so I tend to avoid spending a lot of time thinking about it. In practical terms Petro and any Latin America leader is beholden to powerful interests beyond the will of their citizens and constitutional law. In no particular order, the powerful interests that are high the list are: the International Monetary Fund, narcotraffickers, paramilitary organizations, the military, wealthy landowners (especially in Colombia). Government policy in developing countries generally support a balancing act between the prevention of civil unrest and maintaining the status quo of inequity in which a very small segment of the population controls all significant sources of the countries' wealth. In developing countries the source of wealth is combination of natural resources and the land on or beneath which they lie, and labor. Petro or any other leader who attempts to disrupt this system will be eliminated via exile, assassination, or coerced resignation. It's no more complicated than that.


Ruling by decree and bypassing Congress is not so easy. He would have to declare an emergency and that is subject to review by the Constitutional Court which (by the way) is centrist and not far left leaning.

https://theglobalamericans.org/2022/06/gustavo-petro-hard-time/

Higher inflation data has probably had more of an effect than anything else.

Chicago85
07-11-22, 17:55
(The low peso might have something to do with the change in administration. } Yes that is the main reason. People who control the rates are afraid of the new Pres being a communist. This was mentioned before the election that if this man wins the pesos would take a hit.

Funny first I used to divide by 2 then 3 then 4. Now maybe 5 will be the new division point in the near future.I posted in the main Medellin Report thread, but here as well. I personally think Petro is the #3 reason or so. He's not a Communist, but more a Socialist. The question is whether he's a Maduro Socialist or Bernie Sanders. I think most think the latter, but the issue is even then it will reduce foreign investment. Also while he did get the majority of votes, his party only controls a small portion of their congress so it may limit what he can get through. Hopefully he doesn't get power hungry like Maduro, Orgega, or the guy in El Salvador.

It's 4 or 5 things. In rough order of effect:

1) Rising interest rates in the US is making dollars more attractive to hold and nearly all other currencies go down relative (look at the GBP and Euro). Emerging markets hit worse than established ones.

2) Declining price of oil recently (although still high historically) which is Colombia's largest export and driver of GDP.

3) Petro winning which is expected to reduce foreign investment and grow national debt. He did name a moderate central banker as his Finance Minister so that has tempered some expectations.

4) Belief that the populace will want to push through more progressive measures and anecdotal evidence of rich Colombians accelerating their movement of money outside of the country (I. E. The rich and businesses don't even think it's safe to keep money in-country).

5) Ukraine / Russia. At any time there is a conflict that could expand worldwide people will seek out more stable currencies. On the flip side, the conflict initially causes a dramatic increase in the price of oil which should have helped the COP.

6 - Bonus!) Budget deficit. Colombia had to run a bit hot with a 7% or 8% deficit during Covid. Normal would be around 3 to 4%.

The amazing thing to me is the exchange rate given the historically high price of oil. Without Petro I bet it would be around 3500 to 3700 right now.

JjBee62
07-11-22, 23:21
Huh? What? So if you DO plan to spend a lot of time in Colombia there IS an advantage to buying COP in the Yew Ess? What? WTF? You'll only save a few dollars? Save a few dollars how? You'll get absolutely fucked senseless buying COP in the Yew Ess.

Really scratching my head on this one. There is no advantage whatsoever to obtaining COP in the Yew Ess at any time, under any circumstances, for any reason.Don't scratch your head too hard over it. I never said it was advantageous to buy COP in the US. I merely stated that at best there would be only minimal benefit for a short term visitor.

However, here's a hypothetical situation. Someone is retiring in 6 months and plans to move to Colombia for 6 months following retirement. Let's assume he finds a source to get COP at 6% off cost (if rate is 4000 he gets 3760). If long-term projection is a rate of 4 k in 6 months and it spikes to 5 k next week, he can buy $5,000 at 4700 and get 3. 5 million more than if he waits 6 months (assuming the rate returns to 4 k).

But, it's all a gamble and assumes you can find a decent rate to begin with, along with spending enough time and money in Colombia to make it worthwhile.

Elvis 2008
07-12-22, 02:39
There is a bit of overthinking in this series of posts. I don't find politics especially interesting, so I tend to avoid spending a lot of time thinking about it.The two most likely scenarios are actually both beneficial to mongers. If the status quo is kept, mongers actually enjoy the exchange rate benefits and cheaper pussy. The pie size stays the same.

If this guy follows the Chavez-Morales method, you actually contract the economy by seizing industries and putting them under government control. The pie typically shrinks in this scenario but because Gustavo controls all the money, there are no well funded rivals to take him on. If the pie shrinks, mongers benefit as their currency goes further. Thing is to keep all your assets abroad or on your person when visiting Colombia because private property is not respected. The pussy cost goes down, but safety goes down, and shitty, negative attitudes are the norm.

The worst for mongers would be seeing Gustavo put forth growth ideas because Colombia would be richer and our dollars would not go as far. The issue with that is when you grow the pie, you have more well funded rivals able to topple you. You never say never but I doubt anyone need worry about that.

Lucky Nuts
07-12-22, 03:51
Ruling by decree and bypassing Congress is not so easy. He would have to declare an emergency and that is subject to review by the Constitutional Court which (by the way) is centrist and not far left leaning.

https://theglobalamericans.org/2022/06/gustavo-petro-hard-time/

Higher inflation data has probably had more of an effect than anything else.That's a great article you linked thanks much for that detailed synopsis!

I expect Petro will rule by decree and let the Constitutional Court attempt to clean up the mess. We'll find out next month.

And that his policies will be good news for gringos trading dollars for pesos. Still we may hit a peak before he even takes office on "buy the rumor and sell the news".

Huacho
07-12-22, 05:12
Let's assume he finds a source to get COP at 6% off costDude. No. There are not discounts on foreign currencies. You're not going to buy a dollar for 94 cents ever, either.

Caboteur
07-12-22, 12:58
Can we keep this forum for mongering purpose? This morning there's a full page of review about exchange rate, why are you guys are so concern about that, to save 2-3 buck?

Zeos1
07-12-22, 13:26
Dude. No. There are not discounts on foreign currencies. You're not going to buy a dollar for 94 cents ever, either.Other way around. What he said was you are getting charged a 6% commission when you look at his example. Which is often the case.

Surfer500
07-12-22, 14:57
5000 is my next ATM visit.I think so, the XE Rate just broke 4602, heck the way it's going it may hit 5,000 by the end of the week, then it's a matter of figuring out what day you can actually get that amount out of the ATM's. Hopefully our Financial Currency Advisor's Funluvr and Villany can advise us all when to hit the ATM's to get the 5,000 if it goes that high.

JustTK
07-12-22, 15:11
Other way around. What he said was you are getting charged a 6% commission when you look at his example. Which is often the case.It's a really disgusting rate of commission if you pause to think for a moment about what work they are actually doing. It's another form of financial robbery.

Zeos1
07-12-22, 15:22
It's a really disgusting rate of commission if you pause to think for a moment about what work they are actually doing. It's another form of financial robbery.I think that was just a hypothetical, but yes, agree with you 100%. And in reality in the country I am in I cannot get an overall cost for currency exchange less than around 3-4%. It is robbery in my opinion.

Carter80
07-12-22, 15:39
To put this all into perspective, please consider this question. What does Gustavo Petro or anything else in Colombia have to do with the US dollar being at its highest rate against the euro in more than 20 years? You and I are saying basically the same thing.There's a lot of movement to usd, but the euro decline appears largely related to the dependency on Russian exports in a time of war.

Further perspective, the euro is down 15 percent in the last year, and 4% since Jun 19, the peso as of this am is down over 18% since June 19 alome. The peso is clearly getting hit much harder. Further perspective, as a Canadian I need to follow the exchange rate with USD for various reasons and our dollar remains stable in the last month.

While markets are hard to understand, the impact of the election seems pretty clear to me. I'm an example of it, I was planning on buying an investment property in Medellin this year and have decided to wait for a while to see what he's like in power. I'm a small potato, but hard to believe I'm the only person who's decided not to move my money into pesos since Petro was elected.

Villainy
07-12-22, 15:59
It's a really disgusting rate of commission if you pause to think for a moment about what work they are actually doing. It's another form of financial robbery.Oh dear God! Are you saying that Banks take advantage of their customers? I never thought I would say this. But I agree you JustTK. Just don't let it go to your head.

Elvis 2008
07-12-22, 16:28
Good points, I might just hold out on taking any money from ATM until COP stabilizes or until I literally run out of COP. I got another month here, so before leaving I'll see if I should stock up or it might even hit 5,000 by end of the year, who the hell knows right.Yeah, there are two things that have surprised me, the panic selling continues. If you look at the currencies, the COP is down way more in the few days than other currencies. This is not interest rates ETC. It is panic selling.

But at some point, you would think the Colombian central bank would step in and stop this. You never see the Peruvian sol makes moves like this because the Peru puts a tight grip on its currency.

With the COP this weak, inflation in Colombia is going to be out of control. If I were Colombian, I would be screaming for Colombian authorities to stop this fall. It makes you wonder what is going on and why they are not. Are they trying to show up Gustavo? Are they the ones selling the Colombian assets? You would think at some point soon there would have to be an intervention.

Knowledge
07-12-22, 17:36
You are right. There is no need to track the exchange rate if you use the currency for weeks at a time. Some of us use pesos full time. That is why the exchange rate is more interesting to us. When I vacation outside of Colombia I don't pay attention to the exchange rate for the reason you stated.


Based on the frequency I need to go the ATM, I get a dollar cost average exchange rate that is insignificantly different than if I tried to time my withdrawals.

Surfer500
07-12-22, 18:50
While markets are hard to understand, the impact of the election seems pretty clear to me. I'm an example of it, I was planning on buying an investment property in Medellin this year and have decided to wait for a while to see what he's like in power. I'm a small potato, but hard to believe I'm the only person who's decided not to move my money into pesos since Petro was elected.This actually might be the right time to be bringing money into the Country at such a good exchange rate, to buy an investment property.

And if your a "small potato" investor, and not living in the Country more than six months a year and not considered a full time tax resident, you would only be subject to income taxes on your investment property. And if you have good Colombian accountant, those taxes can be mitigated.

Petro will most probably instigate the wealth tax again which expired a few years ago, along with going after owners of very large properties to tax them as well.

However in your case, as a "small potato", I don't think whatever he does will have much impact on you, in the short term, yet I get your concerns.

As far as waiting to see what happens after he is in power, well it might be at least a few years before there is anything significant taking place, except taxation I believe.

Knowledge
07-12-22, 19:39
El Colombiano is splashing the 4600+ and rising level of the US dollar today. Alongside the primary article is an editorial feature with the headline "is it possible to dollarize the Colombian economy?

It's an interesting proposal with historical precedent in Ecuador. As all of us know here, prices quoted in dollars tend to be higher than when they are quoted in a local currency. Let's hope the idea doesn't go farther.


This actually might be the right time to be bringing money into the Country at such a good exchange rate, to buy an investment property.

And if your a "small potato" investor, and not living in the Country more than six months a year and not considered a full time tax resident, you would only be subject to income taxes on your investment property. And if you have good Colombian accountant, those taxes can be mitigated.

Petro will most probably instigate the wealth tax again which expired a few years ago, along with going after owners of very large properties to tax them as well.

However in your case, as a "small potato", I don't think whatever he does will have much impact on you, in the short term, yet I get your concerns.

As far as waiting to see what happens after he is in power, well it might be at least a few years before there is anything significant taking place, except taxation I believe.

Carter80
07-12-22, 19:47
This actually might be the right time to be bringing money into the Country at such a good exchange rate, to buy an investment property.

And if your a "small potato" investor, and not living in the Country more than six months a year and not considered a full time tax resident, you would only be subject to income taxes on your investment property. And if you have good Colombian accountant, those taxes can be mitigated.

Petro will most probably instigate the wealth tax again which expired a few years ago, along with going after owners of very large properties to tax them as well.

However in your case, as a "small potato", I don't think whatever he does will have much impact on you, in the short term, yet I get your concerns.

As far as waiting to see what happens after he is in power, well it might be at least a few years before there is anything significant taking place, except taxation I believe.I don't necessarily disagree (double negative for effect). We might be seeing a temporary peak in the dollar and a return to sub 4000 soon onces the reaction recedes. And I don't necessarily think he's going to do anything crazy, I just think the possibility exists now and is beyond my personal risk threshold at the moment.

I'm certainly glad I didn't buy the property I was looking at in early June as I'd be down 20% right away due to the devaluation, so to this point waiting has served me well.

My thinking on waiting is simply I want to have a better understanding of whether he has authoritarian leanings or not. If not, and the peso stabilizes I'll feel much more comfortable at that point. We all have our risk thresholds and while that might mean a missed opportunity, I'm willing to accept that. I also believe that this thinking is what's driving people to sell off on the peso, it's just a level of uncertainty that didn't exist before.

Knowledge
07-13-22, 00:04
I am very clear about the general risk profile. The recent peso slide is a pointed reminder. I'm not very clear about the benefit potential. Is there really enough profit potential to justify the risk of devaluation and loss of liquidity? It seems to me there are many other investment opportunities around the world. If nothing else, the pace of construction here limits the potential property value appreciation.


I don't necessarily disagree (double negative for effect). We might be seeing a temporary peak in the dollar and a return to sub 4000 soon onces the reaction recedes. And I don't necessarily think he's going to do anything crazy, I just think the possibility exists now and is beyond my personal risk threshold at the moment.

I'm certainly glad I didn't buy the property I was looking at in early June as I'd be down 20% right away due to the devaluation, so to this point waiting has served me well.

My thinking on waiting is simply I want to have a better understanding of whether he has authoritarian leanings or not. If not, and the peso stabilizes I'll feel much more comfortable at that point. We all have our risk thresholds and while that might mean a missed opportunity, I'm willing to accept that. I also believe that this thinking is what's driving people to sell off on the peso, it's just a level of uncertainty that didn't exist before.

Oterri
07-13-22, 00:38
Can we keep this forum for mongering purpose? This morning there's a full page of review about exchange rate, why are you guys are so concern about that, to save 2-3 buck?This page should be for Trip reports not discussions.

Villainy
07-13-22, 01:33
For those of you who care. The Visa Exchange Rate, which is what you will get at the ATMs, tomorrow will be 4,513.

For those you who don't care. I return you to your regular schedule programming.

Huacho
07-13-22, 01:46
Other way around. What he said was you are getting charged a 6% commission when you look at his example. Which is often the case.Right, so it's not a fucking discount; it's a premium or a haircut or a cost or a negative or whatever you want to call it. I get his math. My point is the futility of overcoming such charges when it's all a crapshoot. A lot of people think they can predict the direction of forex, interest rates and so forth. But, I actually can predict exactly what foreign exchange rates are going to do!.

They are going to fluctuate. Forex rates will always depend on relative real interest rates, the balance of trade, and the perceived ability of the country to control and tax its citizens. But, all three of those components are continually fluctuating. Keep your wealth in a stable currency and go with the flow on exchange rates. If you live in Colombia, you're going to have to put up with it because you can't control it. If you are portable, you can live where your native currency is strong. But, that could change. Now, if you are based in a country with a strong currency and just travel periodically, then you can definitely benefit by traveling where the exchange rate tells you to.

Elvis 2008
07-13-22, 05:46
This actually might be the right time to be bringing money into the Country at such a good exchange rate, to buy an investment property..Land is about all I would look at. That traditionally has been much harder to seize. I put $1500 in a stock fund in Bolivia, and Morales drove that to zero. I would be really careful about bank accounts, stocks, bonds, or anything else that can be easily seized with this guy Gustavo. Maybe he is not Chavez or Morales but you never know.

JjBee62
07-13-22, 11:21
Dude. No. There are not discounts on foreign currencies. You're not going to buy a dollar for 94 cents ever, either.Dude. No. Is there something in viagra that causes people to forget basic math? The numbers are right there in my post for the hypothetical situation I offered and they clearly indicate that a discount was not being discussed.

When you exchange currency, either by withdrawal from an ATM in another country, or using a currency exchange office, you pay a fee (although at times the fee is zero or even negative, I'll explain). That fee takes many forms. Some banks charge for a foreign currency conversion, some charge for using a foreign ATM. Exchange offices give a rate which is less than the current rate. Even with no fees, there is usually a difference between the rate you receive and what the actual market rate is at the time of the transaction (which is how it's possible to get a negative fee, or get the money at a discount). All of this has been explained completely by both Villainy and FunLvr.

I don't know all of the various rates which you can buy pesos in the US. I know that at one time Bank of America customers could get pesos for a very good rate. If I remember correctly 1.5%. I also know that one of my banks, when I asked about it offered a terrible rate, worse than bad airport exchange rates.

JjBee62
07-13-22, 11:25
Right, so it's not a fucking discount; it's a premium or a haircut or a cost or a negative or whatever you want to call it. I get his math. My point is the futility of overcoming such charges when it's all a crapshoot. A lot of people think they can predict the direction of forex, interest rates and so forth. But, I actually can predict exactly what foreign exchange rates are going to do!.

They are going to fluctuate. Forex rates will always depend on relative real interest rates, the balance of trade, and the perceived ability of the country to control and tax its citizens. But, all three of those components are continually fluctuating. Keep your wealth in a stable currency and go with the flow on exchange rates. If you live in Colombia, you're going to have to put up with it because you can't control it. If you are portable, you can live where your native currency is strong. But, that could change. Now, if you are based in a country with a strong currency and just travel periodically, then you can definitely benefit by traveling where the exchange rate tells you to.Right. Except the only person who said it was a fucking discount was you. You getcall wound up over something that existed only in your mind and then get twisted further out of shape when it's pointed out that you failed to grasp the math.

Switch to decaf.

Huacho
07-13-22, 15:48
Right. Except the only person who said it was a fucking discount was you. "Originally Posted by JjBee62.

Let's assume he finds a source to get COP at 6% off cost".

Perhaps you meant 6% above cost. After I read the above, I'm not sure I even looked at the numbers. Because if you get something at X% "off cost," that's known as a discount.

JjBee62
07-13-22, 17:47
"Originally Posted by JjBee62.

Let's assume he finds a source to get COP at 6% off cost".

Perhaps you meant 6% above cost. After I read the above, I'm not sure I even looked at the numbers. Because if you get something at X% "off cost," that's known as a discount.Thus your failure to comprehend what was in front of your face.

"Off" lacks a vector, it's positional, not directional. Granted, it's frequently used as you assumed I was using it. That's why it's important to read the entire post to understand the content, instead of focusing on one word taken out of context.

Huacho
07-13-22, 23:46
That's why it's important to read the entire post to understand the content, instead of focusing on one word taken out of context.True, but your posts are way too fucking long most of the time.

Villainy
07-14-22, 02:05
Tomorrow you can pull 4,627.45 Colombian Peso / Dollar at the ATMs. This is the highest it has been and based on currency trading results today (Wednesday) the Friday rate will be back to just under 4,500. So if you're thinking of grabing some money, Thursday (before 7 pm) is the time to do it.

This public monger service announcement was brought to you by Villainy.

Huacho
07-14-22, 15:17
"Off" lacks a vector, it's positional, not directional. Um I have no idea what that means but after vector you need a semi colon and not a comma. You are hooking two complete sentences together. That is what is known as a "comma splice. " Just so you know, since you seem really anal about details.

JustTK
07-14-22, 17:49
Um I have no idea what that means but after vector you need a semi colon and not a comma. You are hooking two complete sentences together. That is what is known as a "comma splice. " Just so you know, since you seem really anal about details.Pffff. Hehe. Let me introduce you to WTF Jpaedo.

FlappyGilmore
07-17-22, 17:21
This service announcement part made me laugh out loud.

Amazing rate. I need to get back ASAP.


Tomorrow you can pull 4,627.45 Colombian Peso / Dollar at the ATMs. This is the highest it has been and based on currency trading results today (Wednesday) the Friday rate will be back to just under 4,500. So if you're thinking of grabing some money, Thursday (before 7 pm) is the time to do it.

This public monger service announcement was brought to you by Villainy.

Villainy
07-17-22, 22:32
Today (Sunday 7/17) and Tomorrow you can pull Colombian pesos at 4,519 to the dollar. The transaction rate (XE rate) looks like it closed around 4,357 on Friday which would suggest that is the rate you will get on Tuesday. So if you need pesos you might want to get them now (or tomorrow).

OH and never forget to decline any bank rate that is offered. That is solely offered to give you a silly option to enrich the bank. If you decline their no so generous offer you will get the Visa Exchange Rate that I've described above.

Some have said this was a waste of energy. OK but here is an example of the relevance. If you are here a week. Let's say you pull 4,500,000 Colombian pesos (the equivalent of about 1,000 US dollars) now. Your plan is to fund your needs for the entire week. If you wait and get the money after the rate falls to 4,350 that same 1,000 US only gets you 4,350,000 Colombian pesos.

That means you saved 150,000. Which is most of the cost of a FB cita or several meals or a couple of casa visits or whatever.

BbqMushrooms
08-01-22, 07:09
How do you capitalize on this in the states?

Zeos1
08-01-22, 20:37
How do you capitalize on this in the states?Buy only imported stuff.

BbqMushrooms
08-01-22, 21:21
Buy only imported stuff.I mean is there a way for me to buy pesos for an upcoming trip?

Zeos1
08-02-22, 01:47
I mean is there a way for me to buy pesos for an upcoming trip?I think the price you pay if you try to buy in the US would not be to your advantage, generally you will get the best exchange rate from within the country you are visiting if you are from the US. But in any case the US dollar has weakened a wee bit since your post, but not sure how it is against the Colombian peso.

Huacho
08-02-22, 13:39
I mean is there a way for me to buy pesos for an upcoming trip?Yes, but you will get severely raped and would be very lucky for the fluctuation in the rate to offset the high commission. Because, the COP is not a popular international currency. The bid-ask spread is quite high. Here is a ten year chart:

https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=COP&view=10Y

So it's a continually depreciating currency overall (10.16% depreciation on average annually). That means short term fluctuations will be overcome by the long-term trend. That means you don't want to buy COP very far in advance even if you could get the short term blip right. Add to that the risk of holding physical cash.

Mtndew704
08-14-22, 17:42
I mean is there a way for me to buy pesos for an upcoming trip?There's atms in the airport.

Arthur62
09-15-22, 23:36
After 1 week in Bogota and 1 in Cali, I have just arrived at Medellin. I'm at the Energy this year.

Anybody around? I need to eat something, willing to join? Than we can go to a girls club.

Please PM me.

Thanks.