Stupid shit in Medellin [Archive] - Page 12

Kafka

12-27-21, 15:42

Here we go the Pulitzer prize winner with another identity. .

I was recently in Medellin, for almost 3 weeks. I had a wingman who joined me for 10 days. It was his first time in Colombia, and he insisted on visiting Cartagena. So, we spent 4 days in Cartagena. He had a great time, except he got drugged by a chick who stole some of his possessions. He recovered nicely and the damage was not that bad, lost about $100 worth of stuff.

I have access to a nice apartment in Medellin, fairly close to Santa Fe mall. I had no problem bringing in chicks. I just have to ask them to dress appropriately. Otherwise, they show up half naked to the building. Luckily, we tip the folks at the puerteria well enough that they help smooth things. They basically send the girls straight to our floor, after giving us a call first. On very few occasions, I walked in with a girl that I picked somewhere, but usually late at night when nobody is around.

I have a stable of FB chicas that I have known over time, and they get the bulk of my sessions. They also know the protocol and their way inside the building. On this trip, I brought in a Venezuelan girl that I met in parque lleras. That's typically my mode of operations, my FB friends plus a few new chicks that I want to try. This time, however, I spent much more time around parque lleras. My wingman who was staying at the mansion, liked Parque lleras quite a bit.

My wingman also liked centro, so we visited some casas together, namely New Life and Zandaly. We both had a session at NL but I did not find anyone to my liking at Zandaly, so I did not partake there. My wingman really liked parque Berrio, and we ended up spending quite a bit of time there, and behind the church. Most working girls in that area were not very interesting, but we saw a few chicas that were very doable and up to my alley, slim and spinners.

We also visited Tantra massage, and it was a bad experience. First, the taxi dropped us a bit far from the place. We made an attempt to walk, asking people in the streets but to no avail. We got lost in that neighborhood. We finally took another taxi who dropped us at the door. Upon leaving, we realized how easy it was to walk from the metro station close by. After all that hassle in finding the place, they had only 2 women available and none of us was interested. We waited a good 20 minute and we did not see anything interesting, so we left and took the metro back to Poblado.

My buddy also enjoyed spending time at Fase Dos and La Isla. I did too, as I always have a good time there. I did not pick up anybody there but we enjoyed our time.

Overall, my wingman had a great time on his first visit and he plans to come back. He met an Uber driver who spoke English and that fellow volunteered to show us around at a reasonable price. We ended up spending half a day at Sabaneta and that was quite enjoyable.

Captain Solo

12-27-21, 18:33

This guy Kafka never posts any useful info, only insults and attacks against other posters with good, useful info.

Here we go the Pulitzer prize winner with another identity. .

Quote Originally Posted by Lefeu.

I was recently in Medellin, for almost 3 weeks. I had a wingman who joined me for 10 days. It was his first time in Colombia, and he insisted on visiting Cartagena. So, we spent 4 days in Cartagena. He had a great time, except he got drugged by a chick who stole some of his possessions. He recovered nicely and the damage was not that bad, lost about $100 worth of stuff.

MarquisdeSade1

12-27-21, 21:27

It is good news and bad news. We should hit an all time high with Covid cases tomorrow or the next day, and I would not be surprised if we passed 400,000 or 500,000 cases for one day on December 30 or so. In terms of cases, that would be the worst ever. In terms of severity, it is nothing. Only two unvaxxed out of a 100 or so Covids I saw were sick, and they had co-morbidities and were unvaxxed. Most of the people with Covid were unvaxxed, but a lot were not.

Now comes the political part. The NFL had so many players testing + and who were without symptoms, they took the amazing step of saying if you have no symptoms and are vaccinated, you do not need to be tested and can play.

In the mean time, Fauci went bonkers about testing at Christmas and Biden ordered 500 million tests. Thousands and thousands of flights were cancelled due to airlines having staffing issues due to Covid and I have to wonder how many of those people were Covid + but not sick. The quarantine period for health care workers was cut but not for other workers, and I am not sure I get the logic with that.

So the easy prediction is the quarantine period will shorten. That to me is a 100% deal. Businesses will be screaming if that is not the case. We should see 7 day quarantine and even shorter if asymptomatic. Without that, the worker shortage will be a huge problem.

What I care about though is the testing for Covid prior to coming back to the USA. It never made sense to test for air travelers and not those traveling by land, but that discrepancy is going to be multiplied even more with omicron. Given how weak this strain is and how contagious it is, you have less justification than ever to do testing. A smarter screening would be testing for fever, but Omicron is so ubiquitous the notion that you have a plane Covid free at this point just boggles the mind. I think all flights will have someone with Covid on them. So why screen international and not domestic especially when countries like Colombia have so much less Covid (for now anyway)? It makes no sense..https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/meanwhile-chinas-vaccines-cant-fight-off-the-omicron-variant/

1.6 billion sold LOL.

How many doses did they "give away" also? LOL Philippines sub Saharan Afrika et al.

They started this shit and they are determined to keep it going.

So what is worse? An anti vaxxer or those selling billions of doses made from the liquid in the CCP outhouses?

RamDavidson84

12-28-21, 01:28

Can anything top Medellin for a weekend Trip?

Paulie97

12-28-21, 02:28

This is one of the most logical assessments I've read on any hooker board. The reality is that our approach to COVID at this time is void of any logic. We saw with Delta, and now with Omicron. This virus is doing what most do. As they run through their course, mutations generally become more contagious yet less virulent. At this point, we know enough about omicron to know the death rates are likely much lower than influenza. Comparing Omicron to the initial onset is just foolish. And applying even stricter approaches is even more foolish.

But alas, our power-drunk politicians know better. LOL What irks me the most is the "follow the science" line. When in fact, the science contradicts their approach. Let alone the lunacy of air vs land restrictions. I mean, our country is now turning away its citizens from "coming home."

As always, I get sucked down a political rabbit hole all too easily. But just wanted to say kudos Elvis for a thoughtful analysis.And this is what a head full of right wingnut media gets you, illogic gleaned from fringe blogs. Omicron is still new and the jury is still out on much of the effects. Though less virulent, when drastically more contagious than previous variants hospitalizations can still spike and stress healthcare systems, as has occurred in many areas of the US and Europe. Links to prove this are legion, but I'm tired of doing all the work here. Just take you head out from between Elvira's butt cheeks for a moment and google "Omicron, increase in hospitalizations. " That's if you are interested in facts as opposed to the dumbed down anti-science, anti-government propaganda and conspiracy theories many mongers are so fond of.

That said, though a less virulent strain is encouraging on the one hand, precautions are still warranted, especially to deter spread to more vulnerable populations. You'll still get your dick wet though there may be some short delays here and there. Man up and go through the rest of the pandemic with the rest of us, and without whining.

Dcrist0527

12-28-21, 03:37

And this is what a head full of right wingnut media gets you, illogic gleaned from fringe blogs. Omicron is still new and the jury is still out on much of the effects. Though less virulent, when drastically more contagious than previous variants hospitalizations can still spike and stress healthcare systems, as has occurred in many areas of the US and Europe. Links to prove this are legion, but I'm tired of doing all the work here. Just take you head out from between Elvira's butt cheeks for a moment and google "Omicron, increase in hospitalizations. " That's if you are interested in facts as opposed to the dumbed down anti-science, anti-government propaganda and conspiracy theories many mongers are so fond of.

That said, though a less virulent strain is encouraging on the one hand, precautions are still warranted, especially to deter spread to more vulnerable populations. You'll still get your dick wet though there may be some short delays here and there. Man up and go through the rest of the pandemic with the rest of us, and without whining.Comical. On one hand, you say it's too early to guage. And then you go to what might happen, all in the most negative light. While anything is possible, facts are available if you had any interest. The NY Times, you know that right wing bastion, shows cases increased 83% in the last two weeks. Hospitalizations? Up 8%. Incredible disparity. Even more telling: deaths are up 3%. Unless, of course, NYT is a right wing fringe blog. LOL.

I appreciate your concern about me getting my dick wet. I assure you, the pandemic has not interrupted my activities. But perhaps you'd be better off concerned with facts, not endless fear mongering and faux science. If not, you can live vicariously through the men who aren't whining. Either way, no skin off my back. Peace.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

PedroMorales

12-28-21, 07:53

"The old order changeth, yielding place to new.

And God fulfils Himself in many ways.

Lest one good custom should corrupt the world.

Comfort thyself: what comfort is in me?

I have lived my life, and that which I have done.

May he within Himself make pure! But thou,

If thou shouldst never see my face again.

Pray for my soul. More things are wrought by prayer.

Than this world dreams of. Wherefore, let thy voice.

Rise like a fountain for me night and day.

For what are men better than sheep or goats.

That nourish a blind life within the brain.

If, knowing God, they lift not hands of prayer.

Both for themselves and those who call them friend?

For so the whole round earth is every way.

Bound by gold chains about the feet of God.

But now farewell. I am going a long way.

With these thou seëst—if indeed I go—.

(For all my mind is clouded with a doubt).

To the island-valley of Avilion;.

Where falls not hail, or rain, or any snow.

Nor ever wind blows loudly; but it lies.

Deep-meadow'd, happy, fair with orchard-lawns.

And bowery hollows crown'd with summer sea.

Where I will heal me of my grievous wound. ".

The best the CIA can come up with is a half cocked movie with LEO de Caprio, Meryl Streep (it is STILL alive) and some eye candy scientist. Plenty of minority leeches to make up the diversity quotas. Half of this hyped Hollywood flop is taken up with de Caprio saying "peer-reviewed articles". Hollywood has to be taking a hit, paying those dummies fortunes. Animated actors and special effects has to be the way to go. Hopefully, European, Indian and other sources will get stronger. Nigeria, by all accounts, makes a ton of movies, more than anywhere else. Ex Africa etc.

Anyway, my new year's resolutions begin today. Get busy living or get busy dying. Though the American Covid-phobes are a laugh as they splash about for a comfort blanket, the joke wears thin.

The New Order emerges. Sex dolls, rationed tissue paper and baby oil for many, Only Fans for more. The world is out of whack. OnlyFans, de Caprio, losers.

A question to the jury: If a babe had Covid, would you fuck her? Yes or no?

Full Disclosure: Other things being ok, I most likely would. As Covid drags on, we will forget how to fuck. Another lost art.

Elvis 2008

12-28-21, 08:24

And this is what a head full of right wingnut media gets you, illogic gleaned from fringe blogs. Omicron is still new and the jury is still out on much of the effects. Though less virulent, when drastically more contagious than previous variants hospitalizations can still spike and stress healthcare systems, as has occurred in many areas of the US and Europe. Links to prove this are legion, but I'm tired of doing all the work here. Just take you head out from between Elvira's butt cheeks for a moment and google "Omicron, increase in hospitalizations. "Ha! Biden in 2020, "I will shut down the virus."

Months later, 10/15/20 "We're eight months into the pandemic. Donald Trump still does not have a plan to get this virus under control. I do. "

A few weeks ago, "For the unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death for the unvaccinated: for themselves, their families, and the hospitals that will be overwhelmed."

Today, "There is no federal solution. This gets solved at the state level."

As for not wanting to put in the links, that reason is obvious. Your sorry ass was saying that red states were the ones getting killed whereas right now it is the blue ones getting slaughtered.

Maybe you had cannot read between the lines, but with Omicron, Biden threw in the towel on Covid. While you are not willing to give up the charade that Democrats have all the answers with Covid, he is. Biden is cutting and running on Covid.

I hope he actually acts and acts soon on what he said. Nothing would make me happy if Brandon left all the Covid regulations up to the states.

JustTK

12-28-21, 15:38

We have debated long and hard the ethics and likely consequences of the vaccines. But I read an article recently that prompted me to re-examine some factors that have lain dormant for wuite some time.

Global excess deaths shoow that 5. 7 million extra people have died since CV. This might be as a direct result of catching CV, or it could be as a consequence of actions taken by governments in response to CV. Other ignored medical issues, starvation, depression, whatever. We will never accuratly know the split of this number, partly bcos the world is recording the death of anyone that had CV at the time of death as a CV death (which would clearly be incorrect, when considering the cause of death).

So max 5. 7 million, but no doubt significantly on the high side. And many of these deaths are of old, sick, bad health people (living mostly in advantaged rich countries, where these people would already be dead and not part of the stats had they been born in a poor country).

Now, I don't know if you remember back to the start of the pandemic. The WHO warned that 500 million faced being pushed back in to extreme poverty if the world went in to lockdown and did nothing:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-poverty-idUSKCN21R0E7

Well guess what? - the world did nothing. Not only do the rich countries refuse to waive patent rights on vaxes for poor countries (thus prioritising profit above the lives of poor people), but they also ignored the warnings and did nohting to help poor countries. They sat back and watched 500 million slide in to extreme poverty:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/health-costs-during-pandemic-pushed-over-half-billion-people-into-poverty-2021-12-12/

They ignored the warnings once again. All they care about is making vax money, and caring for the rich people in rich countries. The pandemic has diviided us and the divisions are starker or more obvious than before. And I am deeply sickened by this world we call civilised.

Elvis 2008

12-28-21, 17:15

I just posted on what I saw and confirmed that what was being said in the media was true. I made predictions: one of which was that the government would shorten the isolation period, and it has: https://twitter.com/CNNSitRoom/status/1475614249766559748.

So the isolation period has gone from 10 days to 5 days.

And it looks like the other is true too. What you are seeing with Omicron is the futility of the vaccine in preventing transmission. This whole "if you are vaccinated, you are at less risk of getting Covid" nonsense has been sunk. What has been shown in the NFL is those vaccinated are less likely to have symptoms but are still getting and transmitting the virus. The LA Rams were 98% vaccinated and half their team tested +.

The key here is if the death rates are so low with omicron and the side effects of the vaccine so high that it would be prudent to re-evaluate the risk-benefit ratio for the vaccine, but Fauci keeps on keeping on.

He was using omicron to continue to push more vaccination: https://twitter.com/ThisWeekABC/status/1475113730979545092.

He even says that it would be great if you required people to be vaccinated before domestic travel.

So on the one hand we do not know much about omicron but we "know" the vaccine is super awesome, and this is a way we can get even more people to get vaccinated!

I really did not want to bore people with the partisan debates but predict what this administration would do with Covid with omicron, and it was to kiss the ass of big business and keep the middle finger raised when it comes to the independent traveler.

What did surprise me is Fauci trying to get the administration to raise the middle finger of both hands. He wants to screw the domestic travelers too.

Elvis 2008

12-28-21, 17:27

Well guess what? - the world did nothing. Not only do the rich countries refuse to waive patent rights on vaxes for poor countries (thus prioritising profit above the lives of poor people), but they also ignored the warnings and did nohting to help poor countries. They sat back and watched 500 million slide in to extreme poverty:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/health-costs-during-pandemic-pushed-over-half-billion-people-into-poverty-2021-12-12/

They ignored the warnings once again. All they care about is making vax money, and caring for the rich people in rich countries. The pandemic has diviided us and the divisions are starker or more obvious than before. And I am deeply sickened by this world we call civilised.JustTK, that story about drug companies refusing to waive patent rights for poorer nations was not told in main stream media in the USA. You had to go to to alternative outlets to hear it.

For all the people touting the vaccine, there is no more stark example of what was important: vaccine company profits or getting the world vaccinated.

The other story that has not been reported or buried is how many people are having side effects to the vaccine. The side effects with this vaccine are horrible, and I remember one douche here saying "I talked to 300 people and they are all fine". The thing that gets me is not that some douche said that here, but that is the attitude of the "scientists" in power.

It is amazing that a vaccine that was improved for emergency use (and the paltry safety hurdles that have to be cleared for that designation) can be mandated by governments. There is going to be blow back on this issue.

JustTK

12-28-21, 17:42

We have debated long and hard the ethics and likely consequences of the vaccines. But I read an article recently that prompted me to re-examine some factors that have lain dormant for wuite some time.
And here is a really interesting discussion on how the genuine left see the mishandling of the pandemic by the West.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxwd51WK3Hc

Money, money, money. . And. FK you!

PedroMorales

12-28-21, 18:30

And here is a really interesting discussion on how the genuine left see the mishandling of the pandemic by the West.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxwd51WK3Hc

Money, money, money. . And. FK you!You should have said this fraud was on the video to save us clicking through.

Paulie97

12-28-21, 18:35

https://www.newsweek.com/kickboxing-champ-dies-after-refusing-admit-he-has-covid-checking-himself-out-hospital-1663418

ScatManDoo

12-28-21, 18:39

Maybe you had cannot read between the lines, but with Omicron, Biden threw in the towel on Covid. Just a repeat of Homo Sapiens getting amused at the fail-extinction of the Elvis-like Neanderthals.

JustTK

12-29-21, 02:13

You should have said this fraud was on the video to save us clicking through.Saying that you do not like someone's views is one thing. Smearing someone as a fraud is another. Do you have anything to support your claim?

JustTK

12-29-21, 02:22

The other story that has not been reported or buried is how many people are having side effects to the vaccine. The side effects with this vaccine are horrible, and I remember one douche here saying "I talked to 300 people and they are all fine". The thing that gets me is not that some douche said that here, but that is the attitude of the "scientists" in power.
I haven't seen stats on side effects. I know they have been buried. But I have no evidence that either way. But I do know that there is nothing more anecdotal that (I talked to 300 people and they are all fine". Hahahhaaaa. Maybe all the not fine people are dead or in hospital then? Duh.

Elvis what do you expect the Reps to do in terms of vaxes and mandates when they get in power in 2023?

PedroMorales

12-29-21, 02:41

Saying that you do not like someone's views is one thing. Smearing someone as a fraud is another. Do you have anything to support your claim?His work on linguistics is that of a child. He is a hyped up CIA dissident to keep the perverts of the US Democrats happy. He has an opinion on everything, much like that other super rich fraud, Sanders, who supports Israel's genocide campaigns from his many mansions. Chomsky, Kissinger the sooner they die, the better for us all. At least Tutu (nice names) has croaked. Every hypocrite is quoting him on social media. A bauble bouncing on the waves.

I look intgo the Ph thread and some nuttewr is going on a about Russia massing troops against the Nazis of Ukraine.

The guy who posts the cum shots has taken a day off.

Elvis 2008

12-29-21, 03:42

I haven't seen stats on side effects. I know they have been buried. But I have no evidence that either way. But I do know that there is nothing more anecdotal that (I talked to 300 people and they are all fine". Hahahhaaaa. Maybe all the not fine people are dead or in hospital then? Duh.

Elvis what do you expect the Reps to do in terms of vaxes and mandates when they get in power in 2023?I like this one because I trust Sweden to be honest: https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211006/Large-study-of-COVID-vaccine-side-effects-in-Sweden.aspx.

The one side effect they do not have listed is tinnitus that is really common. If you look at stroke though and person years, when you start giving the vax to the elderly, there are some real issues.

I think the Supreme Court will strike down the vaccine mandate prior to the Republicans taking over Congress. The Democrats will scream the Republican Supreme court is killing people while they breathe a sigh of relief. Enforcement of the vaccine mandate is already way down now.

The real date for the vaccine is 2024 because that is when immunity runs out. The vaccine makers have been so gutless on immunity that they will not give it to refugees, people who do not even have a country to sue them in. You should expect to see these new drugs that have much longer monopoly rights, I. E. Patent protection, to all of sudden be "much improved" with the treatment of Covid and the "experts" back pedaling on the vaccines once the legal immunity is over. The opposite is going on now.

And you are right on the Republicans winning. One of my favorite political writers, Matt Taibbi, went to Loudron Country Virginia to find out why the Democrats lost that state. He is a liberal Democrat but he actually tries to get the story right and free of political leaning. Well, today he finished his series with these zingers.

"Parents' voices are critical to the success of our education system," Education Secretary Miguel Cardona said in the voice of a man reading a hostage note, adding, "They are our children's first, and most influential teachers. ".

This half-baked piece of P. Are. Writing, a pale copy of Republican Glenn Youngkin's "Parents Matter" slogan, won't work at all unless the administration follows up by sending a thousand of their party's most dedicated educational cultists on a long fact-finding trip to Greenland. You can sell voters on a lot of policies, but "We know how to raise your kids better than you," will never be one of them. Even a competent government wouldn't survive making this claim, let alone this one.

End of quote. The guy has a way with words right?

I have been reading Robert Kennedy Junior's book about the real Dr. Fauci, and this one line says it all, "In 2020, workers lost $3. 7 trillion while billionaires gained $3. 9 trillion. "

I really wish this shit was over with and the government would just admit defeat and tell people "we trust you will do what is in your own best interest for your health" instead of treatments and policies that always just so happen to make billionaires richer.

DramaFree11

12-29-21, 05:45

I like this one because I trust Sweden to be honest: https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211006/Large-study-of-COVID-vaccine-side-effects-in-Sweden.aspx.

The one side effect they do not have listed is tinnitus that is really common. If you look at stroke though and person years, when you start giving the vax to the elderly, there are some real issues.

I think the Supreme Court will strike down the vaccine mandate prior to the Republicans taking over Congress. The Democrats will scream the Republican Supreme court is killing people while they breathe a sigh of relief. Enforcement of the vaccine mandate is already way down now.

The real date for the vaccine is 2024 because that is when immunity runs out. The vaccine makers have been so gutless on immunity that they will not give it to refugees, people who do not even have a country to sue them in. You should expect to see these new drugs that have much longer monopoly rights, I. E. Patent protection, to all of sudden be "much improved" with the treatment of Covid and the "experts" back pedaling on the vaccines once the legal immunity is over. The opposite is going on now..Yep, that is irony of all this Big Business is growing while small business are getting whipped out. I did not see or hear about the financial problems in MTY, but in CDMX it is a different story. Most have been impacted financially. Most of the people I talk to have either lost a job or know someone that has lost there job. Media conveniently does not talk about this.

Now how this has impacted my business. I am lucky we have been able to grow during the pandemic, but now we are running into some major roadblocks. We are now not able to get some basic equipment. They are now saying in might be 6-12 months. This is not specialized stuff and it is not available. I need a specialized work truck, I can not even get them to call me back now. I am looking at 1-2 years for the truck, this is crazy. We have a work truck that they can fix, no parts. Again I am not complaining, we will be okay. But this is crazy, again the media never brings this up. This is probably $250,00-300,000 worth of equipment, that is a lot of jobs.

Dcrist0527

12-29-21, 14:30

I really wish this shit was over with and the government would just admit defeat and tell people "we trust you will do what is in your own best interest for your health" instead of treatments and policies that always just so happen to make billionaires richer.The longer this goes on, the more clear the motivation. We have Pfizer (& the others) now in a position telling us we will die without their product. Their Dem puppets in power repeat and mandate its use. Forget that they lied about the efficacy. First it was to stop the spread. Now it's simply so 'you won't die'. Quite effective as fear mongering goes. And first, this was 95% effective. Oops, just kidding. Have a second dose. How about a third. Don't worry. It's free!

Not sure if anyone is following what is happening in Israel. They are on the brink of mandating a 4th shot. Numerous medical professionals concerned with 'immune system fatigue'. There is a belief this 4th dose will have detrimental effects on immunity. Clearly, that's a hypothesis, not fact. But the puppets in Israel said "we don't have the luxury of time to make decisions". What?

Even better: "The committee looked at the incredibly fast spread of omicron, in the you. K. And other countries, and decided that we do not have the time. They decided that we should work in parallel: First give the recommendation to immunize, and then run the studies."

This is the very definition of insanity.

Need more proof this is all about enriching big pharma and its puppets in power?

Ask yourself why we spend literally no time learning about natural immunity. I don't care where you stand on vaccine mandates. There is no scientific reason to ignore natural immunity. But, there are financial reasons!

Why has so little attention been paid to therapeutics? If we're so concerned with the lethality, why have we put all our eggs into vaccination? Well, if we have a medication that saves lives, that puts a damper on the fear mongering, no? The masses have to believe they will die.

At one point, this sounded like a crazy conspiracy theory. And some have gone too far, saying COVID isn't real, etc. But now, if we just put politics aside and look objectively at the facts in front of us, the truth is plain to see.

Elvis 2008

12-29-21, 17:16

Nice post Dchrist! I swear most people forgot about what the CDC and Fauci said a few months ago and how it contradicts what he is saying today. We hit 442,000 cases yesterday, a new record, so all those people with all their supposed solutions have nothing that worked. The Dems who blamed the entire virus on Trump (and gave China a pass LOL) have egg all over their face. I don't even care about all that political crap, just get rid of all the bullshit travel restrictions.

Omicron averages 3 days from time of exposure to infection not five days and the antigen tests are not that great picking it up. LOL.

Now how this has impacted my business. I am lucky we have been able to grow during the pandemic, but now we are running into some major roadblocks. We are now not able to get some basic equipment. They are now saying in might be 6-12 months. This is not specialized stuff and it is not available. I need a specialized work truck, I can not even get them to call me back now. I am looking at 1-2 years for the truck, this is crazy. We have a work truck that they can fix, no parts. Again I am not complaining, we will be okay. But this is crazy, again the media never brings this up. This is probably $250,00-300,000 worth of equipment, that is a lot of jobs.I posted this in the political forum;.

On the supply chain issues, though, that mess is all political, and all the blame should be directed at the Dems. First off, Obama put into law regulations that were passed like 8 years ago but are just enforced today. One of them is that truck drivers can only work 8 hour shifts, and this is sent from trucks via computer to a regulatory agency. So when you have a supply chain crisis and want to move goods: wouldn't it be smart to change that to 10 or 12 hours (which it used to be)? You would think so right? Nothing on this.

The issue in the ports are the trailers that move around the supply containers. The cranes pick up the containers off the ships, but the trailers are what move them around. Obama put in a law that trailers, even ones that were still good, could not be more than 5 years old. The problem is the pandemic interfered with production of trailers, so a lot would put out to pasture while fewer were coming in. Again, there is a pretty simple solution. Allow the older trailers to be inspected for safety and used right? Again, that is not being done.

Domestic trailer production also plummeted due to the end of Trumps tariff on Chinese trailers. Yeah, Biden just got rid of that Trump tax. It seems like a no-brainer to reinstate that tariff but that is not happening either. China is refusing to produce more trailers, and this is China fucking the USA again, and time after time, our government is unable to pivot away because we are so dependent on them.

End of quote.

Truck production is way down, and one guy wrote the asset that appreciated the most last quarter was not a stock or bond or crypto but the car in your driveway. Used car prices rose 20% last quarter which is crazy.

And with a million containers off the California coast and truck drivers being hamstrung getting parts to truck manufacturers, I think you are going to continue having a hard time. Stock up if you can.

And with this supply level constraints it means fewer dollars going abroad which means a stronger dollar. COP is 4000+ today, and I think the trend is we go up further from here.

JustTK

12-29-21, 17:30

His work on linguistics is that of a child. He is a hyped up CIA dissident to keep the perverts of the US Democrats happy. He has an opinion on everything, ...At least Tutu (nice names) has croaked. Every hypocrite is quoting him on social media.You think that the work of the man known as "the father of modern linguistics" and the most influential person in his sector is childish? Ha. That is a rather odd choice of words. Sure, he is a USA dissident, like any decent person with an international political outlook should be. He was one of the main players that acted against the horrific war that USA waged on Vietnam, and he speaks truth to power at every opportunity, he has made a life out of it.

I still see no reason why you think he is a "fraud". Perhaps its similar to your choice of childish? Has meaning to you but to no one else in the world.

Tutu was the greatest living humanist until he died, IMO. Did you think he was a fruad too. Perhaps for his work in bringing about the end of Apartheid?

PedroMorales

12-29-21, 17:41

Linguistics is a very difficult subject, much more difficult than that fraud would have one believe. He is not a US dissident. He is an American puppet, controlled and sinecured. The USA is the main evil in today's world. Fraud Chomsky is an integral part of it.

It was the VC and the North Vietnamese Army, aided by China and the USSR that put an end to the USA's terror campaign in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. It is a racist insult to denigrate them by praising that fraud. Chomsky continues his frauds to this day. Fuck him and fuck Kissinger.

Tutu (what a name) was a nobody, elevated on high by those with dark agendas. South Africa's military and economic day was up. Tutu was merely a part of the chorus, plucked from it to serve nefarious ends. Ev ery idiot on social media is quoting that fraud, just like they quote Einstein and other staples.

If Tutu wants to be proud of today's South African shit heap, that is his prerogative. Good luck with your high school exams.

You think that the work of the man known as "the father of modern linguistics" and the most influential person in his sector is childish? Ha. That is a rather odd choice of words. Sure, he is a USA dissident, like any decent person with an international political outlook should be. He was one of the main players that acted against the horrific war that USA waged on Vietnam, and he speaks truth to power at every opportunity, he has made a life out of it.

I still see no reason why you think he is a "fraud". Perhaps its similar to your choice of childish? Has meaning to you but to no one else in the world.

Tutu was the greatest living humanist until he died, IMO. Did you think he was a fruad too. Perhaps for his work in bringing about the end of Apartheid?

JustTK

12-29-21, 17:53

I like this one because I trust Sweden to be honest: https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211006/Large-study-of-COVID-vaccine-side-effects-in-Sweden.aspx.
I have been reading Robert Kennedy Junior's book about the real Dr. Fauci, and this one line says it all, "In 2020, workers lost $3. 7 trillion while billionaires gained $3. 9 trillion. "
I really wish this shit was over with and the government would just admit defeat and tell people "we trust you will do what is in your own best interest for your health" instead of treatments and policies that always just so happen to make billionaires richer.I also really like Matt Taibbi. It say a lot that he had to leave Rolling Stone due to speaking truth to power.

Swedish study. Yes, you see this is why I have not formed a view on vax side effects. The article speaks about variations in side effects across ages and sexes. It says nothing about the overall dangers of the vax. Sure, there are variations. But is the actual risk high or low? The article says nothing about that. So I remain agnostic.

Yes, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer under the Dems. I agree with that. I think they are a terrible political party. I just don't agree that anything would change under the Reps. They are even worse IMO. BUt at least they might end this farce with vaxes. And you know already that the USA has very big political weight internationally, so maybe it would effect global action too.

ShooBree

12-29-21, 19:20

ShooBree

12-29-21, 19:59

DramaFree11

12-30-21, 19:44

So simple and so true.I could not agree more The sad part is there are many that real do not want this to End, for whatever reason, most are very Liberal that want this to continue. Financially this is going to turn out really bad, probably not in Texas, but every where else is going to get there wish.

JustTK

12-30-21, 21:14

Linguistics is a very difficult subject, much more difficult than that fraud would have one believe. He is not a US dissident. He is an American puppet, controlled and sinecured. The USA is the main evil in today's world. Fraud Chomsky is an integral part of it.
It was the VC and the North Vietnamese Army, aided by China and the USSR that put an end to the USA's terror campaign in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. It is a racist insult to denigrate them by praising that fraud. Chomsky continues his frauds to this day. Fuck him and fuck Kissinger.
Tutu (what a name) was a nobody, elevated on high by those with dark agendas. South Africa's military and economic day was up. Tutu was merely a part of the chorus, plucked from it to serve nefarious ends. Ev ery idiot on social media is quoting that fraud, just like they quote Einstein and other staples.
If Tutu wants to be proud of today's South African shit heap, that is his prerogative. Good luck with your high school exams.Ok, I can see your trolling now. Just talking BS to get attention. Fine. I no one could hold those views with any sense of sincerity. I won't comment to you anymore after this post.

You may laugh at Tutu's name, but I assume even you would appreciate it is a name of African origin. No doubt your name would sound very stupid to them too. Pedro is a dog's name isn't it? You probably did fail to hear that Tutu was one of the ANC party's most outspoken critics since they came to power.

PedroMorales

12-30-21, 22:06

Ok, I can see your trolling now. Just talking BS to get attention. Fine. I no one could hold those views with any sense of sincerity. I won't comment to you anymore after this post.

You may laugh at Tutu's name, but I assume even you would appreciate it is a name of African origin. No doubt your name would sound very stupid to them too. Pedro is a dog's name isn't it? You probably did fail to hear that Tutu was one of the ANC party's most outspoken critics since they came to power.Pedro is not the Spanish for dog, you piece of shit. I have actually met Tutu. Tutu is NOT a Xhosa name. Only a piece of shit like you would say African instead of Xhosa. His family were most likely given that ridiculous name by the English (not Africans) to laugh at them, the same way Germans gave your fellow Jews ridiculous names.

I am glad you won't reply to me any more. Do the board a favour and don't reply to anyone.

JustTK

12-31-21, 13:09

Pedro is not the Spanish for dog, you piece of shit. I have actually met Tutu. Tutu is NOT a Xhosa name. Only a piece of shit like you would say African instead of Xhosa. His family were most likely given that ridiculous name by the English (not Africans) to laugh at them, the same way Germans gave your fellow Jews ridiculous names.
I never said Pedro was a Spanish name.

I never said Tutu was a Xhosa name.

I am not Jewish.

You clearly don't understand English so why don't you FK off to a Spanish speaking forum where you can troll in your mother tongue. I am going to assume you don't have a father.

Wishing you are painful and horrible New Year.

Elvis 2008

12-31-21, 16:46

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI5E8z89c9U

For a while now it's been clear the primary objective of most pandemic coverage is to scare the socks off mass audiences. Good news, bad news, boring news, interesting news, news that's more of a wash in the final analysis, news that's a net plus overall: it's all presented as terrifying, more signs of the Apocalypse. There's no better example than the stampede to advertise the "first death from Omicron" in the United States.

Matt Orfalea does a hilarious job that's him in the death suit, by the way of stitching together an homage to the latest moral panic. So many great little details here, from the "Way Too Early" background to one reporter's premature death report to the "aggressive Covid vice" imagery, the dramatic Biden-cough, and so much more.

It was the world's loudest record-scratch when the WHO in the first week of December said the ominous "Omicron variant" of Covid-19 had been detected in 38 countries, but without any known deaths.

No deaths? How could that be? In the United States in late November, we'd already skipped past the stunned-curiosity phase and moved straight into active mass panic, with "fallout from the Omicron variant" causing the Dow to fall 652 points in a day when news of the mutant contagion arrived. Right away, we had a travel ban from southern Africa, an address urging calm from President Mumbles, and a declaration of a "Variant of Concern" from the CDC, as "scientists raced" to learn more about this "almost Frankensteinish" new strain of Covid-19.

The next month of Omicron coverage offered a fascinating window into our Covid-fixated future. For most of December, we were presented with an unbroken string of scare stories that in many cases actively buried the lede on the most important question: is this thing going to kill me? The Washington Post on December 14th, for instance, ran a story about how the "CDC warns" that a "punishing wave" could be coming as soon as January. The piece noted Omicron was "dramatically more transmissible" and "a more slippery foe when encountered by neutralizing antibodies," but ignored the issue of lethality altogether, which would seem impossible to do by accident.

"How deadly is the Omicron variant? WHO releases death report," wrote the Express you. K. Earlier this week, with the following sub-headline:

OMICRON cases have increased more than tenfold since authorities identified the first UK infections in November, but scientists' knowledge of the variant has increased in kind. The World Health Organization (WHO) released its first death report this weekend, outlining how dangerous it really is.

Reading that headline hits your fear center, making you anxious to know just exactly "how dangerous it really is. " What does that mean? Scrolling down, you first read that Omicron mutations "allow it to escape immunity provided by both vaccine doses," that "it reduces two doses of Pfizer to 30 percent effectiveness, with AstraZeneca potentially down to zero," and that while boosters can restore effectiveness to 75 percent, "many are at Omicron's mercy. " Not good!

Only far down the piece do you read that since the WHO's "no deaths" report in early December, the disease has "spread rapidly, and one person in the UK has died with the new variant. Recent data suggests the disease Omicron causes is milder than its predecessors."

The distinction between "dying with" and "dying from" is a sticking point in theory if you're trying to accurately gauge the lethality of a thing, but journalists have mostly shrugged it off.

On December 20th, a man in Houston died "with" Omicron. The Harris County Public Health office issued a release citing an "Omicron Variant-Related" death, but Harris County judge Lisa Hidalgo, sporting a stylish tree-branch-pattern mask, wasted no time in announcing, "The Omicron variant of COVID-19 has arrived in full force."

As shown in Matt's video, Hidalgo raised the county's County's Covid-19 "threat level" status to "Level-2 Orange," bringing us back to the halcyon days of the War on Terror, when the government each day assigned us a mathematical Expected Freakout Level (EFL) about things over which we had no control.

Within hours, national press outlets like CNN had reported the "first death attributed to the Omicron variant," gushing, as Jeremy Diamond is shown doing in this video, that "Covid surges are surging!" Pundits wasted little time wagging their bony death-fingers in our direction: "First Omicron Death in USA Was ReinfectionA Warning to Those Who've Already Had COVID," wrote Newsweek.

Shortly after, a Harris County Public Health official named Martha Marquez hedged, saying they could confirm the dead man was Omicron-positive, but the cause of death had not yet been determined.

The arrival of both the Delta and Omicron variants were reported in ways that recalled the classic "Africanized killer bees" media panics of yore. Stay in your homes and be vigilant about the highly aggressive African invader who just might move in next door: for a good long time, this was a staple of local TV, as noted in Bowling for Columbine:

https://*******.com/p9r6vfrz

Descriptions of Omicron as the scary scary thing coming from southern Africa have been near carbon-copies of those old bee stories. Kudos to the few outlets at home and in Europe that pointed out the hypocrisy of this coverage. If you're really bent on using the deadly new "Africanized" variant to frighten people into getting vaccinated, shouldn't you also be "racing" to pass patent waivers so countries like India and South Africa can make their own vaccines, thereby preventing the spread of mutations before they even have a chance to become headlines here?

If they're determined to keep going in the scare direction, they should do a better job of it. Omicron is certainly an improvement over Delta, but they should dispense with the pretense and start giving true Fangoria names to coronavirus strains: the "Mutilator" Variant, the "Suffocating Agony" variant, the "Shaft-Sagger," the "Face-Eater," etc. Would you bet against something like that coming?

JjBee62

01-02-22, 03:25

There are a few taxis parked in front of Gusto. Potentially they may collude with the girls, take you to a dark area, beat up and rob you clean.

I took Camila to the hotel near Santa Fe mall after midnight. She immediately went to those taxi guys, kidding around with them like they know each other well. The driver looked scraggy, dirty, unshaven, blood-shot eyes like he was high. He was driving fast and erratically down narrow, dark streets, very close to getting broadsided at an intersection. He showed me a plastic bag with 4 joints and kept pushing me to buy, said the girls wanted it. I refused to buy.

He was just driving straight down Ave Poblado to my hotel but got lost a couple times. When we arrived and I paid him, he looked confused, disoriented, must be high on drugs.

Camila had a stinky pussy and reneged on her offer, also trying to steal from my luggage, so I paid her quickly and took her down to the street..Let it go. Just let it go. You had 1 girl with a stinky pussy. You left her alone with your open luggage (a full-fledged rookie mistake) and now everyone in Colombia is a fat, ugly, lazy thief who is always trying to set up and rip off every tourist. And every time you check into ISG you have to repeat your 1 bad experience (made worse by a rookie mistake). Let it go and move on with your life.

Everyone, if they do anything long enough, is going to have a bad experience, and everyone is eventually going to make a bad situation worse by making a mistake. There's a simple way to handle it.

1. Realize that not everything is going to be perfect. Sometimes, regardless of your experience, your preparation and everything you do, you'll end up with an unsatisfying evening.

2. Accept that there were things you could have done to avoid, or limit how bad the experience was.

3. Learn from the experience and share what you learned, instead of blaming everyone in Colombia for one bad experience.

4. Alternatively, accept that Colombia is not a good match for you, turn your back and forget it exists.

Your speculation the girl and taxi driver planned to drug and rob you using joints laced with something is extremely far-fetched. Don't you think you would have figured something was up when the girl wouldn't smoke with you and avoided breathing any of the smoke? Besides, why mess with that? All it would have taken was the driver pulling a gun or knife.

Getting an Uber out of Parque Lleras at night can be difficult. Every night hundreds of people take a taxi from Parque Lleras without being robbed, killed or anything else. Waiting around for 30-60 minutes for a Uber might not work for everyone. There's no need to try and panic people for some imagined threat.

However, there are taxi scams people should be aware of.

I believe the current starting price on the taxi meter is 3600 pesos. Especially around Parque Lleras at night, drivers won't reset the meter. The first thing you should do is check the meter and if it hasn't been reset, point it out.

Some drivers have a means to bump up the meter. Pay attention. Some meters also go up at a faster rate. In either case, there's not much you can do, other than get out as soon as possible. If you're taking the same trip regularly, remember what you paid. The best thing you can do is pay attention.

DramaFree11

01-03-22, 02:10

Let it go. Just let it go. You had 1 girl with a stinky pussy. You left her alone with your open luggage (a full-fledged rookie mistake) and now everyone in Colombia is a fat, ugly, lazy thief who is always trying to set up and rip off every tourist. And every time you check into ISG you have to repeat your 1 bad experience (made worse by a rookie mistake). Let it go and move on with your life.

Everyone, if they do anything long enough, is going to have a bad experience, and everyone is eventually going to make a bad situation worse by making a mistake. There's a simple way to handle it.

1. Realize that not everything is going to be perfect. Sometimes, regardless of your experience, your preparation and everything you do, you'll end up with an unsatisfying evening.

2. Accept that there were things you could have done to avoid, or limit how bad the experience was.

3. Learn from the experience and share what you learned, instead of blaming everyone in Colombia for one bad experience..Nope Capt. Needs to be heard. MDE is just not this paradise you guys claim to make it. MDE is average destination at best. Way too many sex tourist and drugs. Cheap maybe, but the cheap places can be dangerous and very low end girls.

Elvis 2008

01-03-22, 02:24

JustTK

01-03-22, 15:11

Nope Capt. Needs to be heard. MDE is just not this paradise you guys claim to make it. MDE is average destination at best. Way too many sex tourist and drugs. Cheap maybe, but the cheap places can be dangerous and very low end girls.I agree with you about MDE being no paradise, but are these the points that he was trying to make? - "Way too many sex tourist and drugs. ".

I wouldn't say the there are too many sex tourists. For a sex destination I would say the numbers are in fact are very low. I also don't think the quality of girls is low. Although again, I agree its not paradise.

What I don't like is that it's too cold, too wet, too congested and too polluted. And for a reasonably large city, there are very few attractions. Not much you can do about that, apart from wait for Thailand to open. Hehe.

Villainy

01-03-22, 16:06

This is a long listen or watch but this was the best Covid explanation I have ever heard. Dr. Robert Malone actually invented the mRNA vaccine and was banned from Twitter. This interview was then on youtube and then banned. It is amazing how these assholes making the vaccine cannot even stand that anyone, even the guy who invented the technology the vaccines are based on, talks the truth about them.

For the record, this doctor has had Covid and been vaxxed. It is long but the time flew by when I watched it. I hope you all like it as much as I did:https://open.spotify.com/episode/3SCsueX2bZdbEzRtKOCEyT.Dr. Malone claiming he "invented mRNA" is the equivalent of Hippocrates claiming he invented coronary by-pass surgery. If he were a leading expert on the CoVid vaccines why would he be wasting his time going on programs hosted by Steve Bannon and Joe Rogan? Is it that Crackpots of a Feather flock together? Here is an article by The Atlantic that talks about your "esteemed" (irony) Dr. Malone.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

For those of you who can't read (Students in the Elvis School of Analysis). Dr. Malone did do some preliminary research into mRNA and wrote a few papers. But those preliminary writings were over 30 years ago and the changes in mRNA research that led to the creation of the vaccines has had thousands of changes / refinements (maybe 10's of thousands) since then. Apparently despite having written about some ground-breaking theories he did little to develop them while others continued the research for years which ultimately led to the CoVid vaccines. Now of course, Dr. Malone's ego can't accept his minor role, so he has branded himself as the "inventor" of mRNA and everything that has been developed since then. All this makes him the perfect guest for the 'conspiracy theory' network of podcasts which Elvis relies so heavily on to support his own crackpot theories.

JjBee62

01-03-22, 19:59

Taylor,

I posted critical information to help the bros stay safe.

Riffraff street guys like you probably don't give a shit about safety, but other bros do.

You should STFU and move on.Unfortunately, that's not what you did. What you posted was the same thing you've posted several times, with some wild speculation about a taxi driver trying to rob you, when nothing the taxi driver did was out of the ordinary for taxi drivers, at night, in Parque Lleras. It wasn't critical information, it was criticizing information.

People go to Parque Lleras to party. Women go to Parque Lleras to make money off of people who are partying. Taxi drivers go there for the same reason. If a girl spends a lot of time working Parque Lleras, she's going to get to know the taxistas, at least some of them are from the same neighborhood, they drive working girls around all the time. And many of the working girls who are traveling to Parque Lleras and Laureles for dates have a few taxi drivers or Uber drivers they regularly use. If you have girls who like to party, in an area where gringos like to party, why wouldn't a taxi driver try to make some money by selling some cheap weed at a grossly inflated price?

If the joints were spiked with something to knock you out (unlikely), he would have just given one to you, or her. Why worry about a few pesos, when you're going to be taking everything from someone?

The girl, I'm confused about her. Your first report you said when you came out of the bathroom she had moved 5 feet and was hovering over your luggage. Your second mention of her you said she tried to get into your luggage. Your next mention of her, you claimed she tried to steal your luggage. From there it became "she was trying to steal from my luggage like an animal. "But the incident continued to evolve and became "she was digging into my open luggage." I'm just speculating that if we give it another week, she will have hacked all of your accounts and stolen your identity.

To add to the confusion, you walked her to the street, took 2 seconds to secure the door and in that amount of time she vanished? However, you later speculated the taxi driver was waiting nearby and picked her up. I walk fast, but I can't imagine how I could walk far enough in 2 seconds to get far enough away where you couldn't hear a car, hear someone get into a car, or see a car drive away. She would have had to be moving at over 100 mph.

The only hotel in the area where you were staying, which doesn't have a 24 hour reception, to the best of my knowledge, is Hotel Habana Vieja. It sits on the west side and below Avenida Poblado and the reception is off of Calle 10 Sur. If you walk about 10 meters east of the entrance there's a offshoot from Avenida Poblado and a set of stairs leading up to Avenida Poblado. Any girl leaving would head either for the stairs, to cross Avenida Poblado, or head a block up the street to Hotel Porton where there are often taxis waiting. They wouldn't walk down Calle 10 Sur, because it's a longer walk to get to Avenida Las Vegas, where she's less likely to get a taxi.

There are common taxi scams that regularly happen in Medellin. What you experienced wasn't one of them.

Here's critical information about taxis:

1. If there's any possibility a girl you're taking with you is under 18, check her cedula before getting in the taxi. This avoids 2 potential problems. First, there's a risk the police will stop the taxi and you'll need to talk your way out of having her in the taxi with you. Second, if there is building security, you are wasting a trip if the girl doesn't have identification.

2. Always check the meter before you close the door. Make certain it's been reset. I believe the current minimum is 3600 pesos. That's not the minimum fare, just the starting point.

3. If you're leaving the Parque Lleras area, save yourself some trouble and walk down to Avenida Poblado. There will be a line of taxis waiting in front of Parque Poblado. Go to the first one in line. This gives you a more random taxi than one that's been circling around Lleras and it avoids all the twists and turns to get out of the area.

4. Close the door gently. Colombian drivers, taxi and Uber get upset when a gringo slams the door.

5. Use the smallest bills possible to pay the taxi. Most drivers don't want to give change for a 50 k bill. If they will give change, there's a chance of getting short changed, or of getting a counterfeit 10 k or 20 k bill.

6. Don't sweat over the small change. If the meter says 14750, hand over 15 k and thank the driver. If you're taking a couple of taxis every day, buying food and drinks, after a week you'll have a big pile of coins. You're literally giving away nickles and dimes.

JjBee62

01-03-22, 21:27

Nope Capt. Needs to be heard. MDE is just not this paradise you guys claim to make it. MDE is average destination at best. Way too many sex tourist and drugs. Cheap maybe, but the cheap places can be dangerous and very low end girls.Wrong on all counts, except the danger factor. However, anywhere you go there is an element of danger in the cheap places.

1. No, he doesn't need to be heard. His initial report was fine. Everyone has an off day. However, he's repeated himself 4 or 5 times and each time the story changes. For example, his first report said the girl moved 5 feet and was hovering over his luggage. A later report he said he caught her red handed digging through his luggage. When stories keep changing it usually means they contain little or no truth.

2. Not many people claim Medellin is paradise. Dollar for dollar it's one of the best mongering values in the world. It also has options to fit almost any style. Whether you're spending $500 per day or $50 per day, it can be done in Medellin.

3. Way too many sex tourists? I'm lost on that one. You're a regular contributor on a forum which promotes sex tourism and you're complaining there are too many sex tourists in Medellin? The number of sex tourists only affects people who choose to let it affect them. I can easily spend weeks in Medellin and never see another sex tourist.

4. Too many drugs? Compared to where? How does that affect you? Over the about 15 months I've spent in Medellin, I've maybe been offered drugs 12 times. About half from guys trying to sell them and half from girls who wanted to smoke some weed. It's never been a problem for me to say no.

5. Cheap maybe? It's definitely cheap. I can stay in a very nice place, in a nice area for $25-$45 per night. I can eat 3 full meals a day for under $10. I can fuck a decent girl for $15. I can fuck an exceptional girl for $50. I can go from one end of the city to the other, and back for $1.50. And none of that involves any significant danger or very low end girls. Even airfare is reasonable, and I don't live close to a major air hub. Less than 8 hours, including layovers for about $600 without going with one of the budget airlines.

6. I find the climate to be excellent. Rarely do temperatures fall outside of the 60-85° range. Depending on personal preference and location, you can be quite comfortable without air conditioning. The tap water is drinkable, which is not the case in many other places. Air quality is not good, but clean fresh air is not far away and easy to get to.

7. There's no shortage of things to do in and around Medellin. History, art, culture, sightseeing, hiking, camping, boating, biking, hang gliding, kart racing, theaters (and theatres), concerts, the list goes on and on. The limits of the things to do is only limited by your imagination. If nothing appeals to you, you can always find a local who will happily talk to you, tell you about their city, their country and their lives.

If Medellin is an average destination, where are some superior destinations? In what way are they superior for the people who prefer Medellin?

Dcrist0527

01-04-22, 01:30

Dr. Malone claiming he "invented mRNA" is the equivalent of Hippocrates claiming he invented coronary by-pass surgery. If he were a leading expert on the CoVid vaccines why would he be wasting his time going on programs hosted by Steve Bannon and Joe Rogan? Is it that Crackpots of a Feather flock together? Here is an article by The Atlantic that talks about your "esteemed" (irony) Dr. Malone.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

For those of you who can't read (Students in the Elvis School of Analysis). Dr. Malone did do some preliminary research into mRNA and wrote a few papers. But those preliminary writings were over 30 years ago and the changes in mRNA research that led to the creation of the vaccines has had thousands of changes / refinements (maybe 10's of thousands) since then. Apparently despite having written about some ground-breaking theories he did little to develop them while others continued the research for years which ultimately led to the CoVid vaccines. Now of course, Dr. Malone's ego can't accept his minor role, so he has branded himself as the "inventor" of mRNA and everything that has been developed since then. All this makes him the perfect guest for the 'conspiracy theory' network of podcasts which Elvis relies so heavily on to support his own crackpot theories.When facts are not in one's favor, they attack sources or credibility. Sad fact. What's even sadder is those that knock down Malone's significant credentials believe they know better. LMAO.

So, for those that want actual fact, I'd encourage you to watch the presentation that got Dr. Malone banned. It is eye opening. And scary. And before anyone slams the source, just know that what they exposed was produced by Pfizer. Their own studies! It is fairly easily found. Produced by a group called the Canadian COVID Care Alliance.

Again, believe what you want to believe. But if you look at Pfizer's own study, which they expose, and you don't come away alarmed? Well, then you are exactly the person Pfizer is counting on.

Villainy

01-04-22, 03:43

If Medellin is an average destination, where are some superior destinations? In what way are they superior for the people who prefer Medellin?Everything you said was exactly correct. Which is one of the reasons I chose Medellin as the place where I wanted to live in retirement. Let me add a few other things.

People are passionate about their soccer in South America and attending games is inexpensive and exciting (and I'm not a big fan of soccer).

Colombia due to its location has a growing season that lasts year round. You can get the best and freshest fruits and vegetables here at very inexpensive prices. There are fruits and vegetables that are completely unknown in the US (or Europe). In addition because agriculture is so bountiful, stores don't use preservatives or artificial chemicals in order to extend the shelf life a few more weeks. Here if the fruits or vegetables start to look the least bit stale they replace them with freshly picked produce.

The coffee here is arguably the best in the world. The US frequently buys Colombian coffee (and from other countries as well) but here the coffee is made from beans that have been picked very recently and have not been sitting in burlap sacks in a warehouse for weeks / months until needed.

Medellin is the most modern city in Colombia with an extensive Metro system which is always being improved and expanded. The buses are inexpensive (just a hair over 50 cents) what is unique is that you don't have to find a bus stop. Wave at a bus as it approaches and the driver will pull over and let you on. And once on, you press a button and the driver will promptly pull over and let you off.

The health care system in Colombia is very good and Medellin specifically has several of the highest rated hospitals in all of South America. Your Medicare won't work here but health insurance as a foreigner is not very expensive and the prescriptions are very cheap. (You see, their healthcare systems negotiate prices with the pharmaceutical companies, something that Medicare isn't allowed to do in the US) If you don't want to wait for an appointment or you want to see a specialist it won't cost you a testicle. Also there are a large number of Dentists here in Medellin (and throughout Colombia) and a fair percentage of them learned their trade in the US. Even so, I have spoken to many extranjeros from the US that have come here for a vacation and to have dental work done. The rates are less than the deductibles you would pay in many areas of the US (and that assumes you have a highly rated medical plan that includes dental).

I could go on and on. But let me address one comment that CaptainSolo has made several times. The women in Colombia are easily among the most beautiful in the world. Perhaps, CaptainSolo picked a bad time to come to Colombia. The second half of December is very slow. Many women have saved their money and bought presents for their families and aren't "available" the second half of the month. Or maybe the Captain got his bearings wrong and didn't find the right places to find his companions. I just can't say. But there is a reason that the Miss Universe contest has a Colombian or Venezuelan woman in the top 5 almost every single year. Colombian women are stunning and are very highly focused on their appearance.

I've also had acquaintances tell me they have been going to Panama or Costa Rica for years. But they started coming here becase the best looking women in P & CR were Colombianas doing working vacations.

I might also mention that sexual customs here are much more relaxed compared to the Puritan customs in the US. Here if a woman goes on a date with you to a restaurant (you'll need to speak Spanish. Google translate won't cut it) but then if she accepts another date. Well that pretty much means you are headed to a bedroom.

In my estimation Medellin can't be beat. But that assumes you've read the forum and know what you are doing and how to get around. Having at least some degree of fluidity in Spanish will make a significant difference.

JustTK

01-04-22, 04:47

JustTK

01-04-22, 05:33

Nounce

01-04-22, 05:36

...
The coffee here is arguably the best in the world. The US frequently buys Colombian coffee (and from other countries as well) but here the coffee is made from beans that have been picked very recently and have not been sitting in burlap sacks in a warehouse for weeks / months until needed.....A simple issue is that they are poor so you don't get espresso machine everywhere and that limits what you can have at retail level. If you go to other more advanced Latin America countries, they have espresso machines everywhere. The coffee export actually has the effect of preventing the domestic market to get the best of what they produce. It is true for other products as well.

Nounce

01-04-22, 05:46

...If Medellin is an average destination, where are some superior destinations? In what way are they superior for the people who prefer Medellin?If you ignore sex, I can easily think of several cities that are better. For example, google Latin America Top 50 restaurants to see some cities. Some on the list that have more than food to offer, I don't mean all the cities on the list.

PedroMorales

01-04-22, 05:51

The best in the world. Colombia is the world's third biggest producer, after Vietnam and Brazil. Not only is Colombian coffee's region a world and EU heritage site but its arabica bean is the benchmark on US futures markets against which all others are measured (like Maine potatoes, Brent Crude, Texas Lite etc).

Expresso: A sure sign there is no hope for the USA. Arab princes pay fortunes for tea, depending on rain fall, wind direction and a ton more. Coffee is similar, even if Americans just drink shit swept up in the favelas of Rio and São Paulo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUKJWsnAAXs

A simple issue is that they are poor so you don't get espresso machine everywhere and that limits what you can have at retail level. If you go to other more advanced Latin America countries, they have espresso machines everywhere. The coffee export actually has the effect of preventing the domestic market to get the best of what they produce. It is true for other products as well.

Mr Enternational

01-04-22, 05:58

The coffee export actually has the effect of preventing the domestic market to get the best of what they produce. It is true for other products as well.Same as Brazil. My girlfriend's son worked in a slaughterhouse. He said they slaughter 200 heads per day. The good beef they send to the USA and Europe and keep the shitty beef in Brazil.

JjBee62

01-04-22, 07:13

If you ignore sex, I can easily think of several cities that are better. For example, google Latin America Top 50 restaurants to see some cities. Some on the list that have more than food to offer, I don't mean all the cities on the list.If you are only talking about food, I have world class restaurants within 20 minutes of where I work. Or I can visit one of several people I know who are extremely talented in the kitchen.

If you name any specific activity, I probably can direct you to an excellent destination within the US. However, this is a monger forum, so choosing a superior destination ignoring sex wouldn't make sense.

I know there are many who consider Sao Paulo and Rio as superior destinations, but, at least for me, Medellin has some advantages. First there's the flight. It would take me twice as long and cost 3 times as much to go to Brazil. Then there's the language barrier. My Spanish is good enough to get by in Spanish speaking countries.

I'm sure there are great destinations in SE Asia, but there's also the time and cost factor. Eastern Europe has the same drawbacks.

Your opinion is one I highly respect on ISG, mainly because you try everything and give an honest opinion. In your opinion, considering all the factors, including sex, what destination is significantly better than Medellin?

Captain Solo

01-04-22, 08:01

Villainy,

I said I was disappointed by the large, lumpy, tattooed, pear-shaped women with huge fake boobs and fake butts at P Lleras, New Life Casa and La Isla. The quality of talents at these mongers' venues are way below Tijuana, various places in Europe and Asia.

I did not generalize that all Colombian women were fat and ugly, but I was watching hundreds young women leaving work at SantaFe mall everyday, did not find even one I would get romantically involved with. The same as with shoppers in Santa Fe mall. Majority is pudgy with big asses and pear-shaped bodies like the women in this random pic taken at the Technologie park.

Every country has its beautiful women. Not all can be ugly. However the main focus should not be on just a few beauty queens but how many percent of the women population look nice, trim, fit, healthy, attractive vs. The heavy, obese, lumpy, sick, unattractive ones. For this criterion, Buenos Aires has far higher percentage of beautiful women walking on the streets than Colombia.

If you go to any beaches in Southern California on weekends, you will see the highest percentage of nice, trim, healthy, beautiful girls in swim suits.

Elvis 2008

01-04-22, 09:51

Again, believe what you want to believe. But if you look at Pfizer's own study, which they expose, and you don't come away alarmed? Well, then you are exactly the person Pfizer is counting on.Yeah, the Pfizer study shows that more people died in the vaccinated group than the placebo group, but they had less Covid in the vaccinated group.

We vaccinate 70% of the country, and the number of people dying from Covid related illnesses goes up about 50% in 2021.

The study predicted this was going to happen.

So why is that? Then you read this, Maddie de Garay is a 12 year old trial participant who developed a serious reaction after her second dose and was hospitalized within 24 hours. Maddie developed gastroparesis, nausea and vomiting, erratic blood pressure, memory loss, brain fog, headaches, dizziness, fainting, seizures, verbal and motor tics, menstrual cycle issues, lost feeling from the waist down, lost bowel and bladder control and had an nasogastric tube placed because she lost her ability to eat. She has been hospitalized many times, and for the past 10 months she has been wheelchair bound and fed via tube. In their report to the FDA, Pfizer described her injuries as "functional abdominal pain".

And her side effects were excluded from the trial!

So yeah, Covid deaths may go down if you get the vaccine but so what? If the overall death rate goes up if you take the vaccine or you end up like this girl, why in the hell would anyone take the vaccine let alone mandate it?

The vaccine is only approved for emergencies anyway.

So Dr. Malone posts this information and he is banned from Twitter? That certainly is not for public health reasons, and the fact that he is banned from all media centers and has to go on Joe Rogin's show tells you all you need to know about the legacy media.

When you ban opposing points of view, you are no longer talking about science. You are talking about religion, and Dr. Malone is right about this. It is a mass psychosis event.

JjBee62

01-04-22, 11:09

This is a superb analysis of huge faults in the self sponsored Pfizer vaccine research.

https://rumble.com/vqx3kb-the-pfizer-inoculations-do-more-harm-than-good.html

I wonder if this will ever be heard in the public sphere?

Let's hear all the baseless smears now.I like humor and comedy of all types. Perhaps my favorite is the unintended humor of irony.

One quick example is "Let's hear all the baseless smears now. " This is a gem, since you've repeatedly mentioned that anyone who consistently disagrees with you gets put on ignore. You can't hear what you refuse to listen to.

With this one, the irony goes deeper. Canadian Covid Care Alliance, according to their Instagram account provides "Independent, science based evidence to empower Canadians. " However, the only thing on the Instagram feed are anti-vax memes, with no supporting evidence. There's nothing to identify, or provide credentials for any "member" of the Canadian Covid Care Alliance. It is not registered in any way. It's simply an anonymous Twitter and Instagram account and a website.

Which brings us to the irony trifecta. The CCCA doesn't identify a single "expert" who provides "independent, science based evidence" for them. Which, and this bit is hilarious" makes everything they publish (drumroll please) Baseless.

It gets better. Clicking on the link provided takes you to a click bait news blurb, with a link to the CCCA website and a pdf presentation which is supposed to prove the CCCA claim that the Pfizer study shows the vaccine causes more illness and death than it prevents. OMG! Alert the media! Oops. I forgot that the media is all part of the conspiracy. Instead we'll just have to look at the "facts" presented by the CCCA.

One of their first complaints is there was no long term safety data in the 2 month report. No kidding? Huh? That's shocking. It's just completely irresponsible that they didn't provide 5-10 years of safety data for a vaccine that had only been available for testing on human subjects for a few months.

If you're keeping score, that's one BB (baseless bullshit) point against the CCCA.

Next up, a significant increase in illness from the vaccine compared to the placebo (a simple saline solution), of the illness the vaccine was supposed to prevent. The Pfizer study identified 4 types of adverse events: Efficacy, Related Adverse Events, Any Serious Adverse Event and Any Serious Adverse Event requiring ER visit or hospitalization.

Efficacy is protection against Covid. Of the test group, 850 people who received the placebo got Covid, compared to 77 who received the vaccine, a 91% reduction in the disease the vaccine was supposed to prevent. That's another BB point for the CCCA.

Before looking at the other 3 classifications of adverse events, it's worth pointing out that injecting a simple saline solution has almost no risk of an adverse event. It should also be noted that the most common adverse event was pain at the injection site.

Roughly 1 in 4 people who took the vaccine had a related adverse effects, compared to 1 in 20 for the placebo. Sounds serious, except saline solution is easily absorbed without problems. Whereas the vaccine is supposed to cause an immune system response. That means more people are going to experience pain or nausea with the vaccine.

When you get to the serious adverse effects, about 1. 2% of vaccine recipients had an issue which interfered with normal function, compared with 0. 7% of those receiving the placebo. Slightly less than 0. 6% receiving the placebo required medical treatment, compared to 0. 6% in the vaccine group.

So, the placebo group was much less likely to have a minor issue, but almost as likely to have an adverse effect requiring medical treatment. However, they were much more likely to get Covid. That's 3 BB points.

Next up, increased deaths for vaccine recipients. The vaccine group reported 14 deaths within 6 months of the trial, compared to 14 deaths in the placebo group. This might be confusing. There are 17 reported causes of death for the 15 from the vaccine group and 19 for the 14 in the placebo group.

There were only 2 deaths from Covid, both in the placebo group and 1 death from Covid pneumonia in the vaccine group. None of the other deaths are directly attributed to the vaccine. So this adds another BB point to the CCCA claim.

Next on the agenda, Pfizer didn't follow established protocol. Established protocol says that it should take 5-10 years to develop a vaccine. Anyone who wasn't in a coma for all of 2020 understands that 5 years or more to develop a vaccine was unacceptable. Are we up to 5 BB points already?

Next bit of baseless bullshit, study demographics. According to the CCCA, a study should be focused on the people who could most benefit from a vaccine. This one is worth 2 BB points. If you run a try limited to people with 4 risk factors who are all over 75, most of your data is useless. The likelihood of a member of that group to die is much higher than for the general population. A vaccine doesn't do much good for someone who is already dying. You don't test your new recipe for triple fudge brownies on a bunch of diabetics. People of any age can get Covid. The proper demographics requires a test group representative of the entire population.

There's an additional demographic complaint. Groups, such as breastfeeding women, pregnant women, people with prior exposure to Covid, immunocompromised people, people with psychiatric conditions and others. There's ethical issues for testing on pregnant women or breast feeding women. People who have previously had Covid would skew the result. People with serious medical conditions are also not good subjects.

There's more of the same. I'm too tired to read through a baseless smear campaign, so I can spread some based smears.

However the CCCA Claim is a baseless smear campaign already.

Dcrist0527

01-04-22, 15:37

Yeah, the Pfizer study shows that more people died in the vaccinated group than the placebo group, but they had less Covid in the vaccinated group.Even worse, once they unblinded the survey, they allowed the placebo group to be vaccinated. And guess what, five from that group died after being vaccinated. That was captured by Pfizer but they excluded it in their table.

The incidence and rate of respiratory issues are alarming.

The forever shutdown crowd cannot dispute this because this only uses Pfizer's own data.

As for Malone, he is not anti-vax by definition. He made some great points, as have others, about our approach to vaccines. As Americans, and other highly developed countries, we're now on our 3rd and 4th doses. We're now at the point of hurting our immune system, as many experts now say. And given omicron's mild symptoms, we're also suppressing the benefit of natural immunity.

But for those lining up for your 10th jab and hug your face diapers, tell me how that's working for New York. Then think big picture. Omicron came from South Africa. There's another new variant now from Cameroon. This obsession with vaccination, or the concept of a pandemic of the unvaxxed, is actually prolonging the problem.

I've said it from day 1. You know, when Fauci told us to wear masks for 2 weeks to slow the spread. We're now more than 660 days into those 2 weeks! But why do we cling to it? We have an inherent need to feel in control. News flash: you aren't. Nature will do what nature does. Our vax approach is now going to cause unintended consequences.

Taylor707

01-04-22, 16:03

Wrong on all counts, except the danger factor. However, anywhere you go there is an element of danger in the cheap places.

1. No, he doesn't need to be heard. His initial report was fine. Everyone has an off day. However, he's repeated himself 4 or 5 times and each time the story changes. For example, his first report said the girl moved 5 feet and was hovering over his luggage. A later report he said he caught her red handed digging through his luggage. When stories keep changing it usually means they contain little or no truth.

2. Not many people claim Medellin is paradise. Dollar for dollar it's one of the best mongering values in the world. It also has options to fit almost any style. Whether you're spending $500 per day or $50 per day, it can be done in Medellin.

3. Way too many sex tourists? I'm lost on that one. You're a regular contributor on a forum which promotes sex tourism and you're complaining there are too many sex tourists in Medellin? The number of sex tourists only affects people who choose to let it affect them. I can easily spend weeks in Medellin and never see another sex tourist.Very well put and described!

Dcrist0527

01-04-22, 16:03

JjBee62

01-04-22, 18:32

I like humor and comedy of all types. Perhaps my favorite is the unintended humor of irony.

One quick example is "Let's hear all the baseless smears now. " This is a gem, since you've repeatedly mentioned that anyone who consistently disagrees with you gets put on ignore. You can't hear what you refuse to listen to.

With this one, the irony goes deeper. Canadian Covid Care Alliance, according to their Instagram account provides "Independent, science based evidence to empower Canadians. " However, the only thing on the Instagram feed are anti-vax memes, with no supporting evidence. There's nothing to identify, or provide credentials for any "member" of the Canadian Covid Care Alliance. It is not registered in any way. It's simply an anonymous Twitter and Instagram account and a website.

Which brings us to the irony trifecta. The CCCA doesn't identify a single "expert" who provides "independent, science based evidence" for them. Which, and this bit is hilarious" makes everything they publish (drumroll please) Baseless.

It gets better. Clicking on the link provided takes you to a click bait news blurb, with a link to the CCCA website and a pdf presentation which is supposed to prove the CCCA claim that the Pfizer study shows the vaccine causes more illness and death than it prevents. OMG! Alert the media! Oops. I forgot that the media is all part of the conspiracy. Instead we'll just have to look at the "facts" presented by the CCCA.

One of their first complaints is there was no long term safety data in the 2 month report. No kidding? Huh? That's shocking. It's just completely irresponsible that they didn't provide 5-10 years of safety data for a vaccine that had only been available for testing on human subjects for a few months.

If you're keeping score, that's one BB (baseless bullshit) point against the CCCA.

Next up, a significant increase in illness from the vaccine compared to the placebo (a simple saline solution), of the illness the vaccine was supposed to prevent. The Pfizer study identified 4 types of adverse events: Efficacy, Related Adverse Events, Any Serious Adverse Event and Any Serious Adverse Event requiring ER visit or hospitalization.

Efficacy is protection against Covid. Of the test group, 850 people who received the placebo got Covid, compared to 77 who received the vaccine, a 91% reduction in the disease the vaccine was supposed to prevent. That's another BB point for the CCCA.

Before looking at the other 3 classifications of adverse events, it's worth pointing out that injecting a simple saline solution has almost no risk of an adverse event. It should also be noted that the most common adverse event was pain at the injection site.

Roughly 1 in 4 people who took the vaccine had a related adverse effects, compared to 1 in 20 for the placebo. Sounds serious, except saline solution is easily absorbed without problems. Whereas the vaccine is supposed to cause an immune system response. That means more people are going to experience pain or nausea with the vaccine.

When you get to the serious adverse effects, about 1. 2% of vaccine recipients had an issue which interfered with normal function, compared with 0. 7% of those receiving the placebo. Slightly less than 0. 6% receiving the placebo required medical treatment, compared to 0. 6% in the vaccine group.

So, the placebo group was much less likely to have a minor issue, but almost as likely to have an adverse effect requiring medical treatment. However, they were much more likely to get Covid. That's 3 BB points..After getting some sleep, I noticed a few typos. However, nothing which alters my points.

The purpose of a Covid vaccine is to reduce death and serious illness from Covid. It is not supposed to prevent death from all causes. This is the same purpose as the "herd immunity" that anti-vax groups are touting. The only major difference is that vaccines try to get to an immune population while minimizing the serious negative outcomes. Just letting the disease run its course, considers the lives lost as acceptable.

When I look at claims that the vaccines are causing more deaths and illnesses than the disease, I have to only look at the facts. The best part, I don't have to depend on some pharmaceutical company (or some conspiracy theorist nut job) to give me the facts. I can just open my eyes and take a look around.

Unvaccinated, I knew, 1st person 2 people who died from Covid. I knew 2nd person (I knew someone who directly knew them) at least 30 people who died from Covid. 1st person I know at least 20 people who were hospitalized for Covid.

Vaccinated, I know 2 people who were hospitalized for Covid (1st person), no deaths 1st, 2nd or 3rd person.

Serious side effects from the vaccine, at a guess, I know 400 people who are vaccinated. One person reported feeling sick for 2 days. None required medical treatment. A few reported feeling sick for 1 day. Most mentioned pain at the injection site.

In addition, my first 2 doses of the vaccine I received at a clinic setup by a major hospital. They had 7 stations setup to check people in and at least 12 vaccination stations. Each station was vaccinating about 1 person every 2 minutes. After vaccination they requested everyone stay for 15 minutes. Roughly, each shot, I observed 150-200 people who had just been vaccinated. If the vaccine is causing serious side effects and death, I should have seen some indication. However, there was nothing whatsoever to indicate serious adverse reactions were occurring, or were expected. Add in the experience of all the vaccinated people I know and the group has easily, directly observed over 50,000 vaccinations without seeing any medical emergency caused by the vaccine. At least 1 of the vaccinated people I know is 95 years old and in poor health.

It's easy to make a video and claim it shows something. If you recall, several years ago a group made a video supposedly showing Planned Parenthood selling aborted fetuses. The people who made the video ended up in prison. If you want, I know a guy, for a price he can put together a video which shows anything you want. Anything.

Sadly, there are a lot of people who won't question something they see in a video, or hear on a podcast. They will completely ignore the reality right in front of their face, in favor of a fantasy presented by an anonymous stranger.

Villainy

01-05-22, 01:56

Nounce

01-05-22, 02:22

... Full disclosure: I'm not anti-vax. I've been vaxxed and boosted. I am anti-mandate. ...Would you agree that if the everyone one earth was vaccinated in the same month, for example July 2021, the pandemic would be over by now.

Nounce

01-05-22, 02:25

...I did not generalize that all Colombian women were fat and ugly, but I was watching hundreds young women leaving work at SantaFe mall everyday, did not find even one I would get romantically involved with. ...What do you think about the girls in this post, body wise?

...Here's some pics from the past month (missing a couple of my favorites but I'll keep them a secret).

Fun Luvr

01-05-22, 03:31

It's easy to make a video and claim it shows something. If you recall, several years ago a group made a video supposedly showing Planned Parenthood selling aborted fetuses. The people who made the video ended up in prison. Project Veritas is the group. None of their members have been sentenced to prison for their videos. Some of their members have been found guilty of illegal taping, and sentenced to probation and fines. In the Planned Parenthood case, no court has found the information in the videos to be false.

Captain Solo

01-05-22, 03:49

Nounce.

Those bods look good.

Wonder how he got all those hot girls together in one spot.

Nounce

01-05-22, 03:59

... In your opinion, considering all the factors, including sex, what destination is significantly better than Medellin?Thanks for the kind words. Medellin is on top of my list based on quantity, quality and cost. SEA is great but to me the cost is significantly higher for the same quality. Sao Paulo or Rio can't match Medellin's quantity but there are more variety in look.

Jake2738

01-05-22, 06:06

Would you agree that if the everyone one earth was vaccinated in the same month, for example July 2021, the pandemic would be over by now.Would you agree that the statement you just made is insane and completely out of touch with what could realistically happen. You think it is even remotely realistic that everyone in the world could have been vaccinated by July 2021? Like cmon now, don't be creating unrealistic hypotheticals to try to prove a point. The reality is that if you are not getting vaccinated and live in a country where it's widely available you are not making a smart choice. But to mandate a vaccine to protect them from their own bad actions is authoritarianism. It would be one thing if they were still posing a threat to others, but it is very clear that it is getting passed between people regardless of vaccination status. So if people want to be dumb and not get the vaccine that is their own dumb choice. I am fully vaccinated and the pandemic IS over for me. I follow all the rules if they are in place, but if not then I just live normally. COVID is Endemic and so if you are not getting back to normal life after being vaccinated YOU are the one not following common sense.

JjBee62

01-05-22, 06:50

There are so many flaws in your response that I question your analytical ability. I question your credentials, relevant experience and knowledge to question my analytical ability.

First, you start just as predicted: smear the source. 'They don't name a single expert'. Yet, had they, their credentials would be in dispute. Instead, they use Pfizer's data.This is such a simple issue. Let's start with your last bit first, "they use Pfizer's data. " That's incorrect. They cherry picked pieces from Pfizer's data and presented it out of context. Let me put it into perspective for you. For this example let's look at a slot machine. If we look at every time the slot machine is played over a 2 month period, we can determine the average payout of the machine, just for fun let's say it's 91%. On average, for every dollar that goes in, 91 cents comes out. That's using the data. However, if we want to make the slot look better, we could just point out the number of times it hit a big jackpot. Or we could make it look worse by focusing on all the times when it paid nothing.

Next up, providing names and credentials. No respectable publication will publish any scientific study without the names and credentials of the principal investigators. No hospital will allow a doctor to work there without checking the doctor's credentials. Even your local car dealership requires the certifications of their mechanics. Schools require teaching credentials. It's a simple matter of credibility. Does this person have the necessary and relevant education to work in this area?

This might seem like a minor point to you, but it isn't. It's a core issue. For another dose of perspective, let's use ISG and Medellin as an example. If someone posts on the Medellin thread, it's their very first post, and they claim to have been a regular visitor, 5 months per year, for 15 years and they make a claim which goes against everything posted by known Medellin vets, do you accept their claim? Again, just for fun, let's say they claim that the best time and place to find the hottest women is just west of the Prado Metro station after midnight. Are you rushing off to find a girl there at midnight?

Probably not. At least I hope not.

The point is, any anonymous source can claim to be an expert, but only a fool would accept their expertise without question.

What your response does prove is your mind is made up. That's not a criticism, per se. But don't act as though you looked at this objectively. Comments like: "Pfizer study shows the vaccine causes more illness and death than it prevents. OMG! Alert the media!" So, if that isn't concerning, then don't talk about Grandma sitting at home with COPD. Both groups are just collateral damage in your line of thought.You are correct about one thing. My mind is made up about the Canadian Covid Care Alliance. It's simply an anti-vax group pretending to be backed by science. Five minutes on their website proves that without the tiniest bit of doubt.

Do you understand what "click bait" is? It's everywhere. The heading of the blurb which leads to the CCCA website and "proof" is click bait. It makes a claim which the CCCA never proves. In fact, they prove exactly the opposite.

Just for fun (I'm having lots of fun with this), the annual estimated death rate is about 8 per 1,000. For every 1,000 people, 8 are expected to die every year. The Pfizer study used over 40,000 people for 2 months. Out of that 40 k, over 1 year, 320 would normally be expected to die. Over a 2 month period that means about 53 people from the test group would normally be expected to die. Out of the group, there were 29 deaths over 2 months and 34 over 6 months. Which means the overall number of deaths isn't the earth shattering data you think it is.

You misrepresent the safey phase. The standard is 3 years (not 5-10 as you say). But we had 2 months of safety. Say what you will about circumstances and the urgent need to get to market. But don't tell me that the concern is invalid or that the point is BS.The 5-10 years is directly from the CCCA "proof". You'll have to take your complaint up with them.

I'll say it. The point is BS. In fact, the point is complete and utter, absolute, certified 100% organic bullshit. Why? Because Pfizer clearly identified the time frame when the study was conducted. They used something you have failed to use to determine whether or not the vaccine was safe, relative to not using the vaccine. They used knowledge. They didn't claim the vaccine was perfect. They didn't claim it would last forever. They didn't even claim that in 3 years they data collected would still be relevant.

That's a big word, "knowledge. " There is a lot of it, readily available, but very few people use it. In this case the knowledge used is that historically vaccine side effects show up very quickly, or not at all. Do you understand why that's the case? It's really quite simple. Vaccines are supposed to trigger an immune system response. They might not trigger the response, or the response may not last as long as expected, or the recipient might have an allergic reaction, or the vaccine might trigger some other type of response. However, the vaccine is only in your system for a very short time. Within a few days, a few weeks at most, there is no longer any trace of the vaccine in your body. At that point, your immune system either recognizes and reacts to the virus the vaccine was for, or it doesn't. The vaccine isn't some security guard that constantly looks for bad guys. It just sticks a wanted poster up on the wall of your immune system and then goes away.

It's like getting seasick. While you're out on a boat, at some point while on the boat, you might get seasick. It might be minor nausea, it might be uncontrolled vomiting, or dizziness, whatever. However, 2 years after you get off the boat, you're not going to get seasick.

You conpletely ignore the relative vs absolute argument. You accept the relative risk reduction as fact, despite it being the lower standard. And I won't even mention how Pfizer bastardizes their "efficacy" numbers to the public. In Pfizer's own study, the absolute reduction is 1%, and that's rounding up! They are taking their relative number and selling it as absolute. And the public is too lazy to know the difference.You lost me there. If I completely ignored the relative versus absolute risk reduction, how did I then accept relative risk reduction as fact? What the hell. I'm ready to have more fun.

If you run a business, which is the higher standard, gross profit or net profit? That's absolute versus relative. If gross profits are $5 million annually, but net profits are $10,000 how well is your business doing?

Absolute risk reduction isn't the higher standard. In fact, in most cases it's more bullshit. It kinda boggles my mind that you don't realize how ridiculous that statement is. Time to put it in perspective again.

I have an incredible device. If you install it in your home it protects your home against earthquakes. In fact, the absolute risk reduction for earthquakes is 98%. Are you ready to buy it? I guess I should mention that relative risk reduction is less than 1%. You see, very few homes in my data are in zones where earthquakes are likely to occur. Still prefer absolute over relative?

Here is another example of your closed mind: "Sounds serious, except saline solution is easily absorbed without problems. Whereas the vaccine is supposed to cause an immune system response. " I would not argue with your statement. But, um, how else would you measure impact? LOL instead, you excuse this as expected, necessary problem. That illustrates your willingness to excuse or accept more collateral damage.The reason saline solution was used is because it doesn't do anything. It's routinely used to replenish lost fluids. It's neutral. As a placebo for an injected vaccine trial it's perfect, because it won't cause any sort of reaction. I don't understand how that's an example of my closed mind. It's simply recognizing the requirement for a placebo in any trial.

The question is, what collateral damage are you talking about? Are you talking about the vaccine causing more deaths than it prevents? It doesn't. Data from everywhere around the world confirms that. It's not even close. Are you talking about adverse reactions to the vaccine? I'm going to assume that is what you're talking about.

I'll go over it again. I used pretty simple explanations the first time, but apparently they weren't simple enough.

The Pfizer study classifies 4 types of responses to the vaccine. The first is efficacy. From the placebo group 850 people contracted Covid during the study. From the vaccine group 77 people contracted Covid during the study. Please show me the math you used to determine efficacy is under 1%.

Next up injection related adverse effects. This classification includes any complaint which a researcher determined was connected to the actual injection of either the vaccine or saline solution. If a person later says their arm hurts it gets added to this group. If they say they feel dizzy, nauseous or anything else it gets added here. If they faint or piss their pants when getting injected, it gets added here. These are the absolute numbers. In a moment I'll show why they aren't important. Almost every vaccinated person I know has complained it made their arm hurt. Most people also have mentioned feeling nauseous. A couple of people have said that they were feeling really poorly for about a day. It's not surprising that 1 in 4 of the vaccine group had a related adverse effect. The question is, how many of those adverse effects were anything worse than a brief, minor amount of discomfort? Which brings us to the next 2 classifications.

First up, adverse effects which interfered with a person's normal function. If the person fainted, or left work early, or missed a day of work, or couldn't sleep, or didn't feel like eating, it shows up here. It's important to understand that none of these instances caused hospitalization, permanent effects, serious illness or death. They were all just cases where people didn't feel well enough to complete their normal routine. From the placebo group, about 0. 7% of the subjects had an event in this category. The rate for the vaccine group was 1. 2%.

Already the numbers are coming together. Using rough numbers starting with minor, effectively insignificant adverse effects to the vaccine it was 25% versus 5%. Now it's 1. 2% versus 0. 7% and none of these events required immediate medical attention, or resulted in permanent injury.

The last classification are adverse effects which required immediate medical assistance, or required hospitalization. This class includes permanent health issues. For this one it's dropped to 0. 6% versus 0. 59%. In simpler terms, within the statistical margin of error, the vaccine caused no more significant health issues than the placebo.

Now do you understand why absolute numbers are less useful than relative numbers? I'm betting the answer is no. I can't really help you any more on that one. You either understand that 2 numbers which are almost exactly the same, are almost exactly the same, or you believe that 2 numbers which are almost exactly the same are completely different.

I could go on, but why. Arguing this is boring. Sadly, most of us have retreated into our camps and prefer name calling, accusations and warfare instead of thinking for and educating ourselves. Full disclosure: I'm not anti-vax. I've been vaxxed and boosted. I am anti-mandate. And I am heavily in favor of holding our "experts" responsible for their actions, decisions, and conflicts of interest.If arguing this is boring, why did you argue it? I didn't quote one of your posts, I didn't call you names or insult you or question your abilities. I merely responded to another person's post which was laughable bullshit.

For your final statement, I'm calling bullshit. You're jumping on a bandwagon for an anti-vax group. You are defending bogus claims by an unknown group, which they are unable to prove. You defended "experts" who remain anonymous and provide no credentials or anything to validate their claims. Explain to me how an anonymous "expert" can be held responsible for their actions, decisions and conflicts of interest?

Here's a bit of wisdom for you:

If you don't want to argue a subject, don't argue that subject.

See how simple that is? What the fuck, let me shovel out some more perspective.

If you don't want to have a tranny fuck you in the ass, don't go out, find a tranny, let them fuck you in the ass and then say "I didn't want to do that. ".

Nounce

01-05-22, 06:57

..Like cmon now, don't be creating unrealistic hypotheticals to try to prove a point...You seem very certain so I like to know what do you think is the point I am trying to prove?

JjBee62

01-05-22, 07:09

Project Veritas is the group. None of their members have been sentenced to prison for their videos. Some of their members have been found guilty of illegal taping, and sentenced to probation and fines. In the Planned Parenthood case, no court has found the information in the videos to be false.My mistake. I was going off of memory that the members who made those videos had been indicted, I believe in Texas.

It was refreshing to look at some of the ridiculous failures by O'Keefe and Project Veritas. There's a great article in T New Yorker about one of his most spectacular blunders.

JjBee62

01-05-22, 07:59

Would you agree that the statement you just made is insane and completely out of touch with what could realistically happen. You think it is even remotely realistic that everyone in the world could have been vaccinated by July 2021? Like cmon now, don't be creating unrealistic hypotheticals to try to prove a point. The reality is that if you are not getting vaccinated and live in a country where it's widely available you are not making a smart choice. But to mandate a vaccine to protect them from their own bad actions is authoritarianism. It would be one thing if they were still posing a threat to others, but it is very clear that it is getting passed between people regardless of vaccination status. So if people want to be dumb and not get the vaccine that is their own dumb choice. I am fully vaccinated and the pandemic IS over for me. I follow all the rules if they are in place, but if not then I just live normally. COVID is Endemic and so if you are not getting back to normal life after being vaccinated YOU are the one not following common sense.It wasn't an insane statement, or completely out of touch with reality. It wasn't even a statement, it was a question.

It was a good hypothetical question, a thought experiment. Forget about the logistical impossibility for a moment. Consider the what if aspect. Or, if it makes it easier, consider a reasonably small island nation. If enough resources were diverted to that island to vaccinate everyone within 1 month and all travel to the island was very tightly controlled, would that island now be free of Covid?

I don't know the answer, but it is an interesting thing to consider. Would Covid, on that island become no worse than the common cold?

Life is full of authoritarianisms. Right now I'm stuck in western Missouri, probably for 12-14 hours or more because of a rule which I wasn't aware I was violating. However, it was my fault.

Vaccine mandates, I'm not absolutely for or against. I'm vaccinated and boosted as well. I've also recovered from a reasonably serious about with Covid. However, the pandemic isn't over for me. Even though I try to keep myself protected and I've taken all the precautions, I can't forget how bad I felt and how long it took to recover from Covid. While I expect any subsequent infection to have milder symptoms, there's no guarantee.

JustTK

01-05-22, 14:17

But to mandate a vaccine to protect them from their own bad actions is authoritarianism. It would be one thing if they were still posing a threat to others, but it is very clear that it is getting passed between people regardless of vaccination status. So if people want to be dumb and not get the vaccine that is their own dumb choice. I am fully vaccinated and the pandemic IS over for me. I follow all the rules if they are in place, but if not then I just live normally. COVID is Endemic and so if you are not getting back to normal life after being vaccinated YOU are the one not following common sense.Very well said. Maybe the vax would have worked if we had vaxxed everyone in the world (including those immuno compromised and those that can't / won't get vaxd for medical, religious and ethical reasons) on the very same day and then everyone in the entire world self-isolated for 2 weeks. Yes we could have got rid of the virus! Or maybe just vax your own clan / club / country and then close the borders from now until eternity. That would work too!

I will be happy when thiis is over and we have to face the reality that we cannot vax our way out of an endemic virus, and trying to force such a vax on people is destructive and futile. The resort to authoritarianism and shutting down dissent thru the media, and to lying to the public - is totally self-defeating. We need better leadership and respect for rights than this.

Dcrist0527

01-05-22, 14:31

Would you agree that if the everyone one earth was vaccinated in the same month, for example July 2021, the pandemic would be over by now.What a foolish question. But I'll play along. My thought: if everyone was vaxxed on July 1, followed by 14 days of complete isolation, literally in your own room of 4 walls. In theory, yes, that would cripple, if not end the pandemic.

Meanwhile, back on planet reality, that is impossible. And what about those bats. LOL You remember, right? The wet market that "started it all". The problem with your hypothetical ignores the very natural mutation process. That's obvious but it's a fact we live with annually with the flu. Yet life goes on. People die from the flu. People die from a lot of things. Sad? Yes. Tragic? Yes. Fighting nature is a fool's game. Vaccinations & therapeutics are not bad. We should do what we can. But draconian mandates are bad. More importantly, reality has shown how ineffective those mandates are. Shutting down life for 3 years is not acceptable.

Dcrist0527

01-05-22, 15:20

I question your credentials, relevant experience and knowledge to question my analytical ability.

This is such a simple issue. Let's start with your last bit first, "they use Pfizer's data. " That's incorrect. They cherry picked pieces from Pfizer's data and presented it out of context. Let me put it into perspective for you. For this example let's look at a slot machine. If we look at every time the slot machine is played over a 2 month period, we can determine the average payout of the machine, just for fun let's say it's 91%. On average, for every dollar that goes in, 91 cents comes out. That's using the data. However, if we want to make the slot look better, we could just point out the number of times it hit a big jackpot. Or we could make it look worse by focusing on all the times when it paid nothing.

Next up, providing names and credentials. No respectable publication will publish any scientific study without the names and credentials of the principal investigators. No hospital will allow a doctor to work there without checking the doctor's credentials. Even your local car dealership requires the certifications of their mechanics. Schools require teaching credentials. It's a simple matter of credibility. Does this person have the necessary and relevant education to work in this area?

This might seem like a minor point to you, but it isn't. It's a core issue. For another dose of perspective, let's use ISG and Medellin as an example. If someone posts on the Medellin thread, it's their very first post, and they claim to have been a regular visitor, 5 months per year, for 15 years and they make a claim which goes against everything posted by known Medellin vets, do you accept their claim? Again, just for fun, let's say they claim that the best time and place to find the hottest women is just west of the Prado Metro station after midnight. Are you rushing off to find a girl there at midnight?

Probably not. At least I hope not.

The point is, any anonymous source can claim to be an expert, but only a fool would accept their expertise without question.

You are correct about one thing. My mind is made up about the Canadian Covid Care Alliance. It's simply an anti-vax group pretending to be backed by science. Five minutes on their website proves that without the tiniest bit of doubt.

Do you understand what "click bait" is? It's everywhere. The heading of the blurb which leads to the CCCA website and "proof" is click bait. It makes a claim which the CCCA never proves. In fact, they prove exactly the opposite..Your argument went from odd to absurd. Your endless analogies do nothing to bolster your opinions. Rather, you just cloud the issue. And arguing these points on ISG with a closed mind is foolish. If that's your definition of fun, well, enjoy! I generally enjoy debate. But you deal in immaterial analogies instead of fact. And why do I make it personal? You basically attack the control group because the saline doesn't cause reactions. Um. Isn't that the point? If that is news to you, may I suggest a 7th grade science class to you.

As for the credibility of the authors, how were Malone's credentials accepted? That is a pathetic game. If they don't subscribe to group think, they are quacks. They cherry picked data? Again, it was Pfizer data and they did not misrepresent a single data point. But if you want to say highlighting inconvenient data for you as cherrypicking? Call it whatever you want. I'll call it fact.

Lastly, clearly the nuance of relative vs absolute is lost on you. That is unfortunate because that is the most alarming nugget from the entire presentation. Frankly, I thought they gave a thorough explanation. But why it matters? The RRR is essentially the marketing ploy. That's the big number that gets people so hopeful about "efficacy". Marketing: "Hey, take our jab and your 95% more likely to avoid COVID. ". But that just isn't true. That is a lie. ARR is the true measure of reduction. You calling ARR bullshit tells me you either don't understand it or don't want to understand it. If you see it as bullshit, you stand in opposition with the scientific community. It's not bullshit. It's simple math. And it is the gold standard.

A couple more attempts to explain it. Again, I think this is SO important because the RRR is the very reason many subscribed to the theory that the vaccines are utopia. Even when real world data proves that it is not!

https://www.healthnewsreview.org/toolkit/tips-for-understanding-studies/absolute-vs-relative-risk/

https://www.tldrpharmacy.com/content/absolute-risk-reduction

Jjbee, if you take any of this personally, I apologize. I don't mean it personally. I don't know you. I don't know your credentials, background, or anything of the sort. Based on your comments and opinions, you strike me as someone who doesn't have an open mind. You dismiss, excuse, or ignore information. Your long diatribe in opposition is full of analogies and failed attempts to discredit sources. It is short on facts. You do not dispute the facts because you cannot dispute the facts. I truly do not mean this as a personal attack. I believe you have strong beliefs and opinions. My only interest in the discussion is not to prove I'm right and you're wrong. (I'm not arrogant enough to say I'm 100% correct.) My interest is in having you and anyone think.

What I am 100% confident in is that our "leaders" have competing interests. Be it financial, political, etc. Our "leaders" have an agenda. And that is very problematic.

Jake2738

01-05-22, 16:22

You seem very certain so I like to know what do you think is the point I am trying to prove?You literally said your point in the comment I responded to. Your point was that if everyone in the world got vaccinated in July 2021 that you believe that the pandemic would probably be over. Like read your own comment. You literally did not respond to any of the points I made in my reply, but instead you post this reply that is just trying to be a smartass but actually just makes you look dumb. How about you respond to the points that I made buddy.

Elvis 2008

01-05-22, 17:21

The reality is that if you are not getting vaccinated and live in a country where it's widely available you are not making a smart choice. But to mandate a vaccine to protect them from their own bad actions is authoritarianism. It would be one thing if they were still posing a threat to others, but it is very clear that it is getting passed between people regardless of vaccination status. So if people want to be dumb and not get the vaccine that is their own dumb choice. I am fully vaccinated and the pandemic IS over for me. COVID is Endemic and so if you are not getting back to normal life after being vaccinated YOU are the one not following common sense.I am glad you are anti-mandate Jake, but there is a lot you missed, and that is why that podcast from Dr. Malone was so helpful. The Democratic want to discredit him, but if you listen to the podcast, this man has had Covid twice, had long Covid, and has been vaccinated.

What he has said about the vaccine is what I have observed in real life. It worked great against alpha, so-so with delta, and does nothing with omicron. The hysteria was at a fever pitch with omicron but he said there has not been on death due to omicron. The media had a field day by changing the preposition. There have been people who have died with omicron but not FROM omicron. No one has died FROM omicron.

So now you have sports teams who are fully vaccinated and even have boosters and omicron is ripping through them. Country after country with high vaccination rates are seeing all time high cases of Covid. The good news with this is Covid is following what viruses historically do: getting more contagious and less virulent. So yes, it is endemic but being vaxxed has nothing to do with protection for anyone.

If the virus just stayed in the alpha phase, there is a case that could have made for vaccine mandates. Now there is none. Fauci just said today if you are not triple vaxxed, you are not vaxxed, which is a purely evil statement. At this point, you are handing out a vaccine with no benefit and terrible side effects. If ever there was proof that Fauci was owned by drug companies / vaccine manufacturers, today is that day.

Dr. Malone said when he first saw the virus, he thought drugs not the vaccine would be the way to go. He took over the counter Pepcid and got better and is now doing a study with that. China, who knew more about the drug than anyone, had a cocktail of drugs that they used early on including hydroxycholoroquine. India had a package that included ivermectin, and that package of drugs completely arrested the horrible spread going on there.

He also talked about the malaria belt in Africa and how ivermectin and HCQ are being used there, and there is no denying that part of Africa has been spared from Covid. So all in all, things are positive IMO.

Joe Rogan got sick with Covid when delta was rampant. He called up a doctor probably Dr. McCollough who was on his show and asked what should I do? According to JR, he was very sick. JR was given antibodies, ivermectin, prednisone, azithromycin, and some vitamin drips. In his words, he was better in a date. So he has been asking why is the treatment that worked so well for him not being discussed? Why is it all vaccines all the time? He was even pressured to get vaccinated and asked why when he has natural immunity that is better than vaccine immunity.

As for you, your being fully vaccinated is completely irrelevant as to what is going on today. I have seen tons of people who are vaccinated with Covid, a hospital staff had a Christmas party with its fully vaccinated workers and 25% came down with Covid. This is common.

I get why. You want to believe something even if it is not true, and that is part of what is called "mass formation psychosis" that Dr. Malone talked about, and nowhere has that been worse than with the vaccines. Here you had the vaccines, you did what was told, you were being good, and you should be rewarded for that right? I get it. I want to think part of the reason I did not get Covid (or think I did not despite all the exposure) is I was vaccinated even when I saw vaccinated people getting sick before their eyes. It made me fool good. In reality, it is because I probably avoided being with sick people for an extended period of time.

Elvis 2008

01-05-22, 17:31

Would you agree that if the everyone one earth was vaccinated in the same month, for example July 2021, the pandemic would be over by now.Not at all. Delta was the predominant strain then, and the vaccine was not that great with Delta.

Furthermore, Covid is not just in people but animals now and even if humans had complete and lifelong immunity against one strain of Covid, the newer Covid versions could jump species.

Even if you vaccinated everyone on the same date when alpha was present, and the vaccine worked best against alpha, the virus was still present in those people who were infected and could mutate in those people and then spread.

The notion that the vaccine was going to stop the pandemic was a pure pipe dream, and that pipe dream sold by Fauci and Pfizer has made them billions. They knew it was not going to work. Hell, they printed vaccine cards with four entries on them instead of two. When that pipe dream failed as they knew it would, they turned on the unvaccinated and said, "It is your fault it did not work."

Yeah, there was some benefit with the vaccine early on but now it literally does nothing. To me, it is amazing that a vaccine that has been such a failure now is even being discussed.

JjBee62

01-05-22, 17:56

Captain Solo

01-05-22, 19:33

Guys like JJBee should stop blaming the victims and stop defending criminals. They are doing the bros a disservice and potential great harms downplaying the huge security risks waiting for them by drugging and robbing hookers in Colombia.

3 drugging and robbing incidents happened within a couple days to seasoned mongers. It's obvious hookers in Colombia are professional thieves, out to steal everything from mongers at every chance they have.

It would be a big problem if mongers have their phones, money, wallets, passports stolen. Without money and credit cards how are they going to get emergency passports? How will they explain to their wives, children, bosses, friends that they lost everything and got stuck in putas central Medellin? Worse yet, they may be dead by the putas' drugs.

I suggest the bros be very careful with their wallets and phones while on the streets and in the rooms with hookers.

Dcrist0527

01-05-22, 19:35

Consider the what if aspect. Or, if it makes it easier, consider a reasonably small island nation. If enough resources were diverted to that island to vaccinate everyone within 1 month and all travel to the island was very tightly controlled, would that island now be free of Covid?

I don't know the answer, but it is an interesting thing to consider. Would Covid, on that island become no worse than the common cold?Obviously, the question can't be answered with any certainty. The issue would be how the bodies react to said vaccine. But I would say, vaccine alone? No, it would not be wiped out because we saw breakthrough cases, even before the more well known variants. More effective (and just as impractical) would be absolute isolation. If the virus runs its course and has no other host, that would be more effective. But impossible.

As for the common cold hypothesis, that is what is occurring with omicron, no? It's the natural order of things. Did vaccination help get us there? No. (You could actually make a case that the unvaccinated helped us get to that point. Though, obviously, there with significant side effects.) Did vaccines save lives? Yes. But lower virulence is common as viruses mutate.

Nounce

01-05-22, 20:35

...the virus was still present in those people who were infected and could mutate in those people and then spread....Is this the absolute truth in your opinion?

...Yeah, there was some benefit with the vaccine early on but now it literally does nothing...

It seems to me that this statement is assuming the vaccine development is static.

PedroMorales

01-05-22, 20:46

Anyone can easily determine whether or not the vaccine poses a greater risk than Covid. It's something most people regularly do and use when making decisions.

In the US there have been 57 million cases of Covid and over 200 million people are fully vaccinated. Roughly, if you're from the US, you know about 4 times as many people who are vaccinated, than people who have had Covid.

Do you know anyone who has had a serious case of Covid? Do you know anyone who has died from Covid? How many of each?

Take those 2 numbers and multiply each by 4. How many people do you know who have had a serious illness caused by the vaccine? How many do you know who died from the vaccine?

It's that simple. You don't have to rely on anyone else to try to influence your opinion.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONH-pxBMJu4&ab_channel=Johnny%27sWarStories

Goddamit Bee you're a goddam genius. That is the most outstanding answer I have ever heard. You must have a goddam IQ of 160. You are goddam gifted, J Bee.

So many geniuses here. One was going well but used more similes than most could imagine. He'd fit right into any professorial job, explaining Covid like so:

Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?

Thou art more lovely and more temperate.

Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May.

And summer's lease hath all too short a date.

O my Luve's like a red, red rose.

That's newly sprung in June;.

O my Luve's like the melodie.

That's sweetly play'the in tune.

JohnnyWalker55

01-05-22, 23:53

Would you agree that the statement you just made is insane and completely out of touch with what could realistically happen. You think it is even remotely realistic that everyone in the world could have been vaccinated by July 2021? Like cmon now, don't be creating unrealistic hypotheticals to try to prove a point. The reality is that if you are not getting vaccinated and live in a country where it's widely available you are not making a smart choice. But to mandate a vaccine to protect them from their own bad actions is authoritarianism. It would be one thing if they were still posing a threat to others, but it is very clear that it is getting passed between people regardless of vaccination status. So if people want to be dumb and not get the vaccine that is their own dumb choice. I am fully vaccinated and the pandemic IS over for me. I follow all the rules if they are in place, but if not then I just live normally. COVID is Endemic and so if you are not getting back to normal life after being vaccinated YOU are the one not following common sense.You have a bunch of internet scientists here going back and forth and it's pretty hilarious / pathetic, the reality is the pandemic is over.

I just flew in on the 1st and a quarter of the plane had a nasty cough, probably covid. But wait everyone is vaxxed!

The only place that has asked for a vaccine card and is the casino, and then I took my mask off when I walked in.

I said but wait I'm boosted what gives? Doesn't matter still have to wear the mask they said.

The people in govt are stupid as shit, in every single coutnry, and they push mandates because follow the freaking money. The vaccines don't do shit to stop covid and people are literally in a trance after an endless propaganda campaign by the media.

And you have people here on the streets wearing masks outside in the scorching heat even though theyre vaxxed lmao why? Because they're quite literally brainwashed by the news and arent smart.

Simple as.

The pandemic is over, I don't wear a mask anywhere unless I'm told I have to or ill be kicked out. The pussy is great, Colombia is back baby.

Jw.

MarquisdeSade1

01-06-22, 04:34

Elvis 2008

01-06-22, 05:01

Is this the absolute truth in your opinion?Absolutely, viruses mutate all the time but let us be real. We are talking hypotheticals. You are not being realistic.

It seems to me that this statement is assuming the vaccine development is static.I thought they were trying to beef up the vaccine for omicron but if you watch the interview with Dr. Malone he says no the current vaccine does not target omicron.

And even if there was, I would not take it. Nobody has died from omicron so what is the point?

JjBee62

01-06-22, 08:21

Guys like JJBee should stop blaming the victims and stop defending criminals. They are doing the bros a disservice and potential great harms downplaying the huge security risks waiting for them by drugging and robbing hookers in Colombia.I've never blamed a victim. Instead because I'm not a whiney little shit who can't manage to get successfully laid in one of the easiest places to get laid in the world, I recognize every one of us is responsible for our own safety and security. If I'm walking down the street staring at my brand new $1000 phone and someone snatches it and runs away, I made the theft easy and possible. If my phone had been in my pocket, or locked up safely in my room, I don't get robbed. If I don't leave my luggage laying open and leave a girl I don't know alone with it, I don't have the girl doing. Hmmm?

Well I'm not sure what the girl did. In your first post she moved 5 feet and was hovering over your luggage. In another post she was digging through your luggage and you caught her red handed. Those are 2 completely different things. Care to explain that? Either one of those claims is a straight up lie, or both of those things are straight up lies. Which?

I'm not downplaying the risk of being drugged and robbed. I'm saying that the situation you described was not an attempt to drug and rob you. It was a ridiculous exaggeration, which it appears you're rather well known for.

The drug most commonly used to drug and rob people in Colombia is Scopolamine. It's commonly prescribed as a transdermal patch for motion sickness. I assume it is also available in pill form. The most commonly reported delivery method when scopolamine is used to drug and rob people is by putting it in the victim's drink. It's why several people here, myself included have posted not to leave your drink unattended, not to let a girl get you a drink, and not to drink anything someone is trying to coerce you to drink.

Scopolamine is not given to people in spiked joints. Burning scopolamine would certainly change the effects. It would also look pretty strange if some girl was trying to get you to smoke something you don't want, when she refuses to smoke it, or breath any of the smoke.

And I know exactly where you were staying. I've walked by that little hotel hundreds of times. I lived for almost 10 months just a short walk south of there. Unless a girl can fly, there is absolutely no way she could get out of sight from the lobby door in 2 seconds. Usain Bolt couldn't do it. However, in 15-20 seconds she could be up the stairs and walking towards Hotel Porton. So once again your story has an obvious lie in it.

3 drugging and robbing incidents happened within a couple days to seasoned mongers. It's obvious hookers in Colombia are professional thieves, out to steal everything from mongers at every chance they have.No. It's not obvious that hookers in Colombia are professional thieves. Every day thousands of mongers in Colombia have no problems with Colombian hookers. Although a few do fall in love with them which is a different and more expensive problem. What's obvious is that even seasoned mongers can become victims, if they lose track of what they are doing.

In my opinion, it's the seasoned mongers who are more likely to get drugged and robbed. They forget where they are and start thinking these girls are all their friends. Then they let down their guard with the wrong girl at the wrong time and wake up 14 hours later.

It would be a big problem if mongers have their phones, money, wallets, passports stolen. Without money and credit cards how are they going to get emergency passports? How will they explain to their wives, children, bosses, friends that they lost everything and got stuck in putas central Medellin? Worse yet, they may be dead by the putas' drugs.Perhaps I'm a bit a prude, but if someone has a wife and children and they are spending their money to travel to another country to fuck hookers, then they've already demonstrated some poor decision making skills. Forget about the risk of bringing home some disease, or the moral issues. They're abandoning their responsibilities to their wife and children to get cheap pussy.

It would be a problem for anyone if they had everything stolen. It would be a problem in any country. That's why it's important not to be stupid. You don't put all of your eggs in one basket. You don't carry around your passport, except when you need it. You don't carry around your credit and debit cards, except the one you need to use, when you need to use it. You separate your valuables, so the likelihood of someone finding everything is low.

If you leave everything you need to get back home in one easily accessible pile, nobody needs to drug you. As soon as you turn your back, any girl can grab it and go.

I suggest the bros be very careful with their wallets and phones while on the streets and in the rooms with hookers.I've got a better suggestion. Keep your wallets safely locked up. Nobody in Medellin is going to need to see your Social Security Card. There's nothing in your wallet you need on the streets of Medellin except for some cash, which can be carried in a pocket without leaving an obvious bulge for anyone to target. When you're in the room with a girl, you still don't need your wallet. You need a bit of cash and maybe a condom. No wallet required.

When you're on the street, keep your phone safely in a front pocket. If you need to use your phone to translate, buy a cheap phone and carry that instead.

If you're just a little bit smart about it, your risk of being robbed is very small and you can easily minimize your loss. However, I don't think that applies to you. You're clearly out of your element.

I've seen guys, who can't even order a beer in Spanish, hit the ground running and end up with more women than they could possibly handle after just a few hours. You have years of experience, had wingmen, speak at least some Spanish and you barely managed to get laid at all, and couldn't manage to even halfway salvage your trip.

Worse, in a country where beautiful, fit, affectionate, clean and easily attainable women can be found with less work than it takes to put on your shoes and carry out the garbage, you couldn't manage to find one. Then you go away claiming everyone in Colombia is a fat, misshapen, ugly, stinky, thief.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why you couldn't have success in Colombia. Looking at the Tijuana board you were apparently planning the trip for some time. You were aware of the options and the possibilities of Facebook, but instead, you didn't bother to use any of the resources which you were aware of. And now it's everyone else's fault.

You didn't even pick the right hotel, if you were in Medellin to monger. Nothing wrong with that hotel. I've always been interested in it (but when I already had a nice 3 bed apartment, I didn't need a hotel). However, at current rates, you were about a 6 k, 10-30 minute (depending on traffic) taxi ride away from Parque Lleras. Because of the area, I expect they might have issues with bringing girls there, when reception is open. There are better options either convenient to Lleras, El Centro or Laureles.

Medellin isn't for everyone. Parque Lleras isn't for everyone, neither is El Centro, La Isla, Facebook, or any other option. While I generally enjoy the food in Colombia, it's not universally loved. However, with a small amount of preparation, I believe anyone can find women who fit their desire in Medellin. I believe it because I've seen it many times. I've met mongers between the age of 30-75, mongers who have been everywhere and mongers on their first trip who managed it. I've met mongers who can barely walk 1 block and mongers that are fitness fanatics, and all of them managed to enjoy their time in Medellin. I've met mongers who are butt ugly and mongers who look like they stepped out of GQ and they managed to enjoy Medellin.

If you couldn't have a good time in Medellin, the problem isn't Medellin, the girls or anything else. The problem is you.

Paulie97

01-06-22, 22:39

It actually surprises me that the anti-vaxxers are still here in any real numbers weaving out their BS from fake wingnut online media sources. It must take a basement existence somewhere in England or Sweden, or an equally meager life in the states.

I'm also ultimately surprised by the "freedom" thumpers as if the Founding Fathers envisioned anything like a right to spread disease. It's all as ludicrous as the Trump presidency.

But carry on. LOL.

Mr Enternational

01-07-22, 01:57

I'm also ultimately surprised by the "freedom" thumpers as if the Founding Fathers envisioned anything like a right to spread disease.Didn't they see it as their right to spread disease to the natives; both intentionally and unintentionally? Seems like I vaguely remember something about blankets infected with smallpox being distributed. Or maybe that was different.

Dcrist0527

01-07-22, 03:29

I'm also ultimately surprised by the "freedom" thumpers as if the Founding Fathers envisioned anything like a right to spread disease.Perhaps you need to research what a "right" is. The left seems to have a real challenge with that. They tell us that health insurance (sold as health care, as if it's the same thing) is a right. So, yet another mandate.

The funny thing they never understand. They count on the government to solve all. But in reality, they never do. They only compound the problem. But like well trained puppies, they keep voting for the snake oil salesman. The COVID mandates are just the latest examples. They have failed. That is plain to see. But reality doesn't matter to them. So long as the "Dem" beats the "Rep". So foolish.

MarquisdeSade1

01-07-22, 03:53

Absolutely, viruses mutate all the time but let us be real. We are talking hypotheticals. You are not being realistic.

I thought they were trying to beef up the vaccine for omicron but if you watch the interview with Dr. Malone he says no the current vaccine does not target omicron.

And even if there was, I would not take it. Nobody has died from omicron so what is the point?https://www.newsmax.com/politics/covid19-bigtech-twitter-censorship/2022/01/05/id/1051218/

Ptrbrgr

01-07-22, 04:44

Lastly, clearly the nuance of relative vs absolute is lost on you. That is unfortunate because that is the most alarming nugget from the entire presentation. Frankly, I thought they gave a thorough explanation. But why it matters? The RRR is essentially the marketing ploy. That's the big number that gets people so hopeful about "efficacy". Marketing: "Hey, take our jab and your 95% more likely to avoid COVID. ". But that just isn't true. That is a lie. ARR is the true measure of reduction. You calling ARR bullshit tells me you either don't understand it or don't want to understand it. If you see it as bullshit, you stand in opposition with the scientific community. It's not bullshit. It's simple math. And it is the gold standard.You are making a valid point that the absolute risk reduction is the true measure of reduction. And I agree with you that the RRR is less informative than the ARR if you are a policy maker. However, the ARR is not a gold standard. It cannot be a gold standard, because it is constantly changing and depends on a gazillion of other factors.

A couple of months ago, some of the folks cheering you on here were up in arms about a paper that appeared in the Lancet about waning antibodies, resulting in a decrease of vaccine effectiveness. At the time, your buddies thought the decrease of effectiveness was the end of the world. What apparently goes completely over their heads is that effectiveness is a RRR. Which I tried to explain to them at the time:

"Effectiveness per se is not super helpful in policy decisions, since it is a relative risk (in the paper you cite, the calculations are based on hazard ratios). What you ideally want to have are absolute risks, which are much harder to come by because they depend on many things such as the time frame we are talking about, what variants we are looking at and how transmittable they are, your environment, the prevalence of the virus, etc. So the effectiveness doesn't tell you how likely or unlikely you are to get infected, it tells you how much less likely you are to get infected relative to some comparison group over the course of the study (and that can also get dicey, more on that below). You also need some sense of absolute risk to estimate the basic reproduction number R0, which is what you really want to know for public health recommendations (if R0 is less than 1, the virus is not finding enough hosts to infect, and the incidence goes down)."

So here is where I think you are off: when you start a clinical trial in infectious disease, you always go to a population where the incidence is super high. The higher the rate of viral exposure, the sooner your trial will end. In such a setting, if your vaccine is effective, the ARR is huge. In a population where the prevalence of the virus is low, the ARR is dismal. However, the RRR is the same in both settings. In real life the viral prevalence constantly changes (among other things), which means the ARR constantly changes.

The RRR is not a marketing ploy. It is the thing we can reliably estimate in a randomized clinical trial, comparing two groups. And calculating the ARR is the polar opposite of simple math, since it requires a bunch of parameters we usually don't know much if anything about.

Paulie97

01-07-22, 18:10

It's amazing how little most Americans listened in school, wasting opportunities. There's no big conspiracies going on here, "Big Tech, capitalist elites, Jewish bankers, govts, etc. " Plagues happen, and have since the beginning of recorded history. Sometimes they have effected the entire known world. Interesting we had the same nonsense conspiracy theories and various downplaying and denials going on back in the Middle Ages during the bubonic plagues. It's in the primary sources. Well it's your lucky day. You get to live through a historic pandemic, and it's far from the first.

As to the freedom horseshit. The Constitution offers no such thing in the matter spreading disease. For one thing no understanding of germ theory existed in the late 1700's. All ideas of how disease was spread then we're either very misguided or completely erroneous. Leeches anyone? Or to the barber shop for blood letting? Your rights are imaginations.

JjBee62

01-07-22, 18:17

You have a bunch of internet scientists here going back and forth and it's pretty hilarious / pathetic, the reality is the pandemic is over.

I just flew in on the 1st and a quarter of the plane had a nasty cough, probably covid. But wait everyone is vaxxed!

The only place that has asked for a vaccine card and is the casino, and then I took my mask off when I walked in.

I said but wait I'm boosted what gives? Doesn't matter still have to wear the mask they said.

The people in govt are stupid as shit, in every single coutnry, and they push mandates because follow the freaking money. The vaccines don't do shit to stop covid and people are literally in a trance after an endless propaganda campaign by the media.

And you have people here on the streets wearing masks outside in the scorching heat even though theyre vaxxed lmao why? Because they're quite literally brainwashed by the news and arent smart..This is one of your funniest contributions. Good work!

It's funny because, when I came home yesterday afternoon, there was a Covid self test kit on the counter. I share a house with my brother (I'm gone for work a minimum of 5 days every week), so I was obviously curious about it.

When he returned home from work he informed me that half of his fellow employees are currently sick with Covid. Considering where I live, there's a good chance half of the employees at that business are unvaccinated. My brother shocked me a few weeks ago when he mentioned getting a booster. He was pretty resolved about not getting vaccinated 6 months ago. I didn't know he had changed his mind. Anyway, the owner asked everyone to take a test, so he can decide whether he can keep the doors open.

On to the punch line:

Apparently nobody told the pandemic it's over, because it certainly is acting like it's still going strong with 2.5 million new cases today, 4 times more new cases than when the pandemic wasn't "over."

Keep up the excellent analysis!

JjBee62

01-07-22, 18:21

JjBee62

01-07-22, 19:36

You are making a valid point that the absolute risk reduction is the true measure of reduction. And I agree with you that the RRR is less informative than the ARR if you are a policy maker. However, the ARR is not a gold standard. It cannot be a gold standard, because it is constantly changing and depends on a gazillion of other factors.

A couple of months ago, some of the folks cheering you on here were up in arms about a paper that appeared in the Lancet about waning antibodies, resulting in a decrease of vaccine effectiveness. At the time, your buddies thought the decrease of effectiveness was the end of the world. What apparently goes completely over their heads is that effectiveness is a RRR. Which I tried to explain to them at the time:

"Effectiveness per se is not super helpful in policy decisions, since it is a relative risk (in the paper you cite, the calculations are based on hazard ratios). What you ideally want to have are absolute risks, which are much harder to come by because they depend on many things such as the time frame we are talking about, what variants we are looking at and how transmittable they are, your environment, the prevalence of the virus, etc. So the effectiveness doesn't tell you how likely or unlikely you are to get infected, it tells you how much less likely you are to get infected relative to some comparison group over the course of the study (and that can also get dicey, more on that below). You also need some sense of absolute risk to estimate the basic reproduction number R0, which is what you really want to know for public health recommendations (if R0 is less than 1, the virus is not finding enough hosts to infect, and the incidence goes down)..Perhaps I can shed some light on this.

Dcrist is referring to a video put out by a Canadian anti-vax group called the Canadian Covid Care Alliance. In the video, they compared the number of infected in the initial Pfizer trial, only over the first 7 days of the trial.

I've already pointed out the anti-vax group cherry picked from the Pfizer study to support their agenda. This is a fine example. Pfizer reported their initial tests suggested a 95% protection from Covid. After the 2 month study the RRR had dropped to 91%. However, the absolute risk of contracting Covid was much higher (170 cases in the first 7 days, 927 cases in the first 2 months) within Pfizer's study. After 7 days only 0. 88% of the trial participants had contracted Covid. After 2 months 2.5% had contracted Covid.

That alone increases ARR from 0. 84% to 2. 3%. However, when you're cherry picking data, you don't want to point out things like that. It gets worse (if you're on the cherry picking team). Overall it appears that absolute risk of infection is close to 20%, and the number continues to rise. That brings ARR up to perhaps 10%. I haven't tried to find numbers on vaccinated vs unvaccinated strictly on reported cases.

Looking deeper, something the anti-vax folks refuse to do, is even more revealing. Hospitalization rates for Covid cases show a much higher risk reduction for the vaccine. Getting infected with Covid isn't bad. Getting really sick or dying from Covid is bad. So a 1%, 2%, or 10% ARR from being infected with Covid isn't an important number. Even 99.9% ARR would be worthless if Covid was always just a minor illness.

It's a shame Covid refuses to cooperate. While an individual's risk of getting Covid might be 20% or less (without vaccines or any precautions), if you get Covid there's about a 20% chance you'll end up in the hospital, unvaccinated. Vaccinated that number drops to around 3%. And unless you have 4 or more risk factors, fully vaccinated people with Covid die less than 0. 4% of the time. Compare that to about 2% death rate among unvaccinated.

Unfortunately, nobody knows how Covid will affect them, until they get it. You might be young, healthy, in shape with a top notch immune system and end up barely able to breathe. You might be an overweight alcoholic with liver disease and high blood pressure and only have a minor illness (yes, I know that person).

Telling people they shouldn't get vaccinated, for any reason, unless you're a medical professional who is advising an individual patient based upon their specific risk (to Covid or the vaccine), is at best irresponsible. At worst, it's despicable.

JjBee62

01-07-22, 21:20

Didn't they see it as their right to spread disease to the natives; both intentionally and unintentionally? Seems like I vaguely remember something about blankets infected with smallpox being distributed. Or maybe that was different.That was different. 2 reasons.

1. Them durn founding fathers didn't see the indigenous people as their equals. They wouldn't have considered you as their equal either. Did you forget about that 3/5 thing and the slavery stuff? I'm not justifying their beliefs, merely pointing out that morality is determined by belief.

2. From the early settlers up to the early 20th century, the white men were at war with the natives. Once again I'm not justifying the actions, but morality standards in warfare are not indicative of the general public standards.

Unfortunately, if you want to decide how early US leaders would have reacted to any situation, you first have to limit the discussion to white men of European descent. Considering they used conscription among other things, suggests vaccine mandates would not have been universally rejected.

RamDavidson84

01-08-22, 02:59

That was different. 2 reasons.

1. Them durn founding fathers didn't see the indigenous people as their equals. They wouldn't have considered you as their equal either. Did you forget about that 3/5 thing and the slavery stuff? I'm not justifying their beliefs, merely pointing out that morality is determined by belief.

2. From the early settlers up to the early 20th century, the white men were at war with the natives. Once again I'm not justifying the actions, but morality standards in warfare are not indicative of the general public standards.

Unfortunately, if you want to decide how early US leaders would have reacted to any situation, you first have to limit the discussion to white men of European descent. Considering they used conscription among other things, suggests vaccine mandates would not have been universally rejected.I think they "Founding Fathers" were more concerned about survival during this time period and creating societies comparable to European Standards which could eventually one day compete in international markets. They valued organized cities with professional skilled occupations as well as schools, hospitals, court houses, rule of law, etc. The Native Americans Hunter-Gatherer culture and way of life was always going to be a hinderance to the overall societal goal of Early Colonial and American leaders. The French alliance with the Native Americans vs the British was an original divisive event which pitted the colonists against most of the Native Americans. I don't think Colonists saw them as biologically inferior as much as they saw the realistic truth which was a massive societal and culture difference which was never going to allow the two groups to co-exisiting in the same community without violent conflict. The British also made an alliance during the American Revolution and the War of 1812 with most of the Native Americans west of the Appalachians. Native American Legends like Tecumseh, Blackfish, and Pontiac unfortunately picked the wrong side and became huge losers of those conflicts along with the British. You can't blame them as the British promised to reserve large swaths of land for them, while the Americans saw that land as capital which they could sell to pay off their massive debts from war. If you fought against a group of people for generations, you are probably not going to be overly concerned for the rights as humans.

As for the blankets with small pox, I don't think that was something that occurred with any time of frequency. I think it was more of an isolated event which you can't really use to define the morals and values of the general population during this time period. It was a brutal era with many instances of horrific acts of violence where both colonists and Indians many times had the blood of innocents on their hands.

I am almost certain Washington would have made vaccines mandatory, he purposely infected his entire army with smallpox, or the flu, during the winter at Valley forge. It killed a small percentage of his men, but going forward they were immune to what ever sickness was ravaging the population at that time period.

My opinion, I may be wrong as I aways think, you must live through the time period and experience it first hand to really understand what happened.

Paulie97

01-08-22, 06:53

Mr E with another fake analogy? This is the most ridiculous one of all. Early Euro settleters in contact with Native Americans had no more knowledge of how disease is spread than the Founding Fathers. You have no right to be a fat clown? Get it? No right exists, in the USA or anywhere else. Yo. LOL.

JjBee62

01-08-22, 08:30

I didn't initially watch the CCCA video where they discussed Absolute Risk Reduction versus Relative Risk Reduction. I should have done that before I responded.

Unfortunately, watching the video revealed 2 things.

1. ARR, as they are using it is a useless number. More on that in a moment.

2. The CCCA cherry picked data from the Pfizer study to further their anti-vax agenda.

Second point first: The numbers they used to determine ARR were from 7 days into the 2 month study, which shows an ARR of 0. 84%. If they had any interest in honesty they would have used the data from the completed study, with an ARR of about 2.5%.

Why is ARR, as they are using it, useless? Because to determine ARR you first must determine Absolute Risk. I can think of only 2 methods to determine Absolute Risk and neither is a possibility.

The first method requires doing nothing, except weekly testing of the entire population for a minimum of 1 year. No vaccines, masks, shutdowns, curfews, school closings, etc. As much of the population as possible needs to be exposed to Covid. It's simple. You can't determine the risk of catching Covid for people who have not been exposed to Covid. Eventually most people will be exposed, but that could take several years. The more people try to prevent exposure to Covid, the longer it takes.

The second impossible option also requires time travel. First step, before the beginning of the Pfizer study, is to verify all study participants are free of Covid and free of Covid antibodies. Prior infection gives some acquired immunity. Two weeks of isolation with daily testing should give you an untainted pool.

Continue isolation and give the first dose. Continue isolation and testing for 3 more weeks and give the second dose. After another 2 weeks of isolation and testing, to reach peak vaccine effectiveness, expose everyone to Covid.

Continue isolation and testing for another 2 weeks. This fits pretty close to the 2 month study length. The percentage of infected in the placebo group gives you Absolute Risk. The infected percentage in the vaccine group lets you determine ARR.

However, even if you could perform such a study, ARR still only tells part of the story. You have to also determine risk reduction for the different levels of severity. A 1% overall ARR isn't a bad thing if the vaccine reduces the risk of serious illness by 50%.

JjBee62

01-08-22, 10:52

JjBee62

01-08-22, 11:17

Perhaps you need to research what a "right" is. The left seems to have a real challenge with that. They tell us that health insurance (sold as health care, as if it's the same thing) is a right. So, yet another mandate.

The funny thing they never understand. They count on the government to solve all. But in reality, they never do. They only compound the problem. But like well trained puppies, they keep voting for the snake oil salesman. The COVID mandates are just the latest examples. They have failed. That is plain to see. But reality doesn't matter to them. So long as the "Dem" beats the "Rep". So foolish.Another funny post.

Consider this:

You accused me of having a closed mind because I pointed out that an anti-vax group, which is clearly an anti-vax group, was an anti-vax group. Yet, with this post and several others, you not only declare you have a closed mind, your positions are totally dependent on politics. No other factor is more important to your decision making.

If the talking head who tells you your opinions goes on air today and states all true patriots will cut off their balls, paint them red, white and blue and hang them around their neck, tomorrow you would be explaining your colorful scrotum necklace to the EMTs.

I've never debated any subject based on right or left, conservative or liberal, or Republican or Democrat. It's irrelevant.

Take health care. My opinion on healthcare has nothing to do with what the Democrats want, which is almost exactly the same thing the Republicans want. The Democrats have held a majority in the house many times. Not once have they proposed a bill to make healthcare a right, or to provide free healthcare. The most extreme thing they have done was the ACA, which is fundamentally the same as the Republican plan adopted by Massachusetts.

My opinion on healthcare comes from the fact that I moved up my wedding by 7 months because my fiancee was about to lose her health insurance. That would have forced her to choose between death, or losing everything she owned, if her cancer returned.

My opinion on healthcare is based on being unable to afford insurance for nearly 10 years. 10 years without a single doctor's visit, with several injuries, a couple of illnesses and one bad infection. After you've sliced open your infected arm with a razor blade and washed out the infection with rubbing alcohol, your opinion on healthcare might change.

My opinion on healthcare is based on listening to a single mother, employed full time, explain how she could only take her kids to the ER when they got sick because her employer didn't offer insurance. All those ER visits get billed directly to the taxpayers.

Another funny thing is that you go to Colombia, where healthcare, including dental and vision, is a right. Every girl with perfect teeth, a clear complexion and in good health is the beneficiary of healthcare as a right. Which also makes you the beneficiary of healthcare as a right. How many of those girls would have nice white, straight teeth if dental costs were similar to the US? How many mongers would still choose Colombia?

JjBee62

01-08-22, 11:59

Dcrist0527

01-08-22, 14:10

Perhaps I can shed some light on this.

Dcrist is referring to a video put out by a Canadian anti-vax group called the Canadian Covid Care Alliance. In the video, they compared the number of infected in the initial Pfizer trial, only over the first 7 days of the trial.

I've already pointed out the anti-vax group cherry picked from the Pfizer study to support their agenda. This is a fine example. Pfizer reported their initial tests suggested a 95% protection from Covid. After the 2 month study the RRR had dropped to 91%. However, the absolute risk of contracting Covid was much higher (170 cases in the first 7 days, 927 cases in the first 2 months) within Pfizer's study. After 7 days only 0. 88% of the trial participants had contracted Covid. After 2 months 2.5% had contracted Covid.

That alone increases ARR from 0. 84% to 2. 3%. However, when you're cherry picking data, you don't want to point out things like that. It gets worse (if you're on the cherry picking team). Overall it appears that absolute risk of infection is close to 20%, and the number continues to rise. That brings ARR up to perhaps 10%. I haven't tried to find numbers on vaccinated vs unvaccinated strictly on reported cases.Oh, the irony. On one hand, you make a cherry picking accusation. I'll note, you do not dispute the data. But regardless, you discount it. Then you go on to extrapolate data, make estimations not based in fact. In fact, what you speculate on cannot be known. Why? Because Pfizer blew up the control group. Perhaps the most important human study in our lifetime was undermined. By the "scientists". If that alone doesn't alarm you, Pfizer will send you a big Christmas card next year.

But even if I follow your speculation, you are disconnected. From reality. The manufacturers are now onto their fourth do$e. That kinda throws a kink in your math, no?

Looking deeper, something the anti-vax folks refuse to do, is even more revealing. Hospitalization rates for Covid cases show a much higher risk reduction for the vaccine. Getting infected with Covid isn't bad. Getting really sick or dying from Covid is bad. So a 1%, 2%, or 10% ARR from being infected with Covid isn't an important number. Even 99.9% ARR would be worthless if Covid was always just a minor illness.Here, again, I'll mention my biggest premise. Pfizer bastardized numbers to misrepresent capabilities. The poster you were responding to acknowledges that. They took the RRR number and sold it as your own personal protection. To your point, no one can argue the vax doesn't help protect against serious illness. But that's not how it was sold. Pfizer's efficacy marketing was on contracting COVID. Our politicians told us it would stop transmission. Hell, even the Supreme Court justices just yesterday were spouting that lie. Repestedly. Talk about misinformation!

It's a shame Covid refuses to cooperate. While an individual's risk of getting Covid might be 20% or less (without vaccines or any precautions), if you get Covid there's about a 20% chance you'll end up in the hospital, unvaccinated. Vaccinated that number drops to around 3%. And unless you have 4 or more risk factors, fully vaccinated people with Covid die less than 0. 4% of the time. Compare that to about 2% death rate among unvaccinated.Again, you'll criticize actual data as cherry picked but then throw these numbers out? This is just overt speculation at best. The height of hypocrisy.

Unfortunately, nobody knows how Covid will affect them, until they get it. You might be young, healthy, in shape with a top notch immune system and end up barely able to breathe. You might be an overweight alcoholic with liver disease and high blood pressure and only have a minor illness (yes, I know that person).Here again, your language is telling. "I know that person. " As if "that person" is a unicorn. The US is the land of obesity. Roughly a third of the country is obese. Newsflash: a third of the country hadn't croaked. Yes, obesity is a comorbidity. But you talk like the fat guy that survives covid is unique. I'm a fat ass. I got it relatively early on and it was essentially a cold. You downplay that the overwhelming majority of people recover just fine.

Telling people they shouldn't get vaccinated, for any reason, unless you're a medical professional who is advising an individual patient based upon their specific risk (to Covid or the vaccine), is at best irresponsible. At worst, it's despicable.Oh, the irony, part two. I'm going to assume this wasn't directed at me or anyone in particular. I have never told anyone not to get vaccinated. Just the opposite, actually. But stop and think what you said. "Irresponsible. " "Despicable. " But you have no problem mandating what someone must do to themselves. No problem taking away their jobs because they don't subscribe to the group think. THEY aren't afforded the "medical professional advice. " That's settled science, right? Telling people what they must do = not despicable? Ok, bro. Gotcha.

Dcrist0527

01-08-22, 14:17

On to the punch line:

Apparently nobody told the pandemic it's over, because it certainly is acting like it's still going strong with 2.5 million new cases today, 4 times more new cases than when the pandemic wasn't "over."!No, we are the punch line. We mask. We social distance. We literally shut down the world. We take dose 1. We take dose 2. We take dose 3. Get ready! Dose 4 is coming.

Yet, as you say, COVID is raging.

But yet, you stand by what we've done. You can't have it both ways, man. Either we've succeeded or we've failed. You can't tell me these magic vaccines and magic masks are the solution and then tell me we're 4 times worse than ever. But yet, you're willing to quadruple-down.

Elvis 2008

01-08-22, 19:03

No, we are the punch line. We mask. We social distance. We literally shut down the world. We take dose 1. We take dose 2. We take dose 3. Get ready! Dose 4 is coming.

Yet, as you say, COVID is raging.

But yet, you stand by what we've done. You can't have it both ways, man. Either we've succeeded or we've failed. You can't tell me these magic vaccines and magic masks are the solution and then tell me we're 4 times worse than ever. But yet, you're willing to quadruple-down.Good post Dcrist, thing is that now we are seeing what the pandemic was truly about.

From an illness point of view, the pandemic is done and no one is dying from Covid anymore, and despite the number of cases, that is what should be recognized.

As for the deaths, the CDC mandated anyone who dies with Covid is a Covid death. So a person with Covid who dies in a car crash is a Covid death. The current death numbers are all deaths with not from Covid.

From an economic POV, the vaccine manufacturers are still pouring on the fear porn and cashing in despite the fact that their products now have no benefit, only harm. If Moderna, JNJ, and Pfizer were ethical or could be sued, they would be pulling the vaccines on their own right now.

And from a political POV, it is far from over. Thing about the vaccine mandates is that with alpha you could justify a mandate given how well the vaccine worked against the virus and prevented transmission. The problem is cases of alpha has not been an issue for a year, and the vaccines do nothing now to prevent transmission.

The case before the Supreme Court now has nothing to do with illness and everything to do with power. Are you going to allow these federal bureaucrats the ability to hand out emergency use only products and give legal immunity to the people making said products and the bureaucrats? That is sheer insanity. Our bodies would literally no longer be our own at that point. It is even crazier given the vaccines do jack shit against omicron.

So in summary, the health care crisis with Covid is over, but those making bank and getting power from Covid want it to continue on.

Nounce

01-08-22, 19:14

... Apparently nobody told the pandemic it's over, because it certainly is acting like it's still going strong with 2.5 million new cases today, 4 times more new cases than when the pandemic wasn't "over."It's equivalent to over for some. It's based on a different thinking. It is possible if this continues for another 10 years. Many more will just move on to live normally.

Why a bar is packed with people without masks? I see plenty of them. I know some just decided they want to live normally and not live in fear. That is why you see some people change their tune in this thread, although they gave a different reason.

For me freedom is a collective right. In that, I mean I have no problem going into a packed bar right now or every night, but I won't go back to my family before I quarantine myself for 2 weeks. LOL. I will do the quarantine for my family in this case because they don't think like me.

Dcrist0527

01-08-22, 20:26

Another funny post.

Consider this:

You accused me of having a closed mind because I pointed out that an anti-vax group, which is clearly an anti-vax group, was an anti-vax group. Yet, with this post and several others, you not only declare you have a closed mind, your positions are totally dependent on politics. No other factor is more important to your decision making.

If the talking head who tells you your opinions goes on air today and states all true patriots will cut off their balls, paint them red, white and blue and hang them around their neck, tomorrow you would be explaining your colorful scrotum necklace to the EMTs.

I've never debated any subject based on right or left, conservative or liberal, or Republican or Democrat. It's irrelevant..Your portrayal of me could not be further from the truth. I would consider my position to be somewhere between conservative and libertarian. It would also be fair to say 90%+ of the democrat party turns my stomach. But what you cannot say about me is that I follow a party line. Clearly you misinterpreted my last point about Dem vs Rep. Or maybe I wasn't clear; it works both ways. The vast majority of political discourse is party driven. That is a sad fact. Gone is independent thought. It is my side vs your side at all costs. Ideas? They don't matter. And as I have said repeatedly now, my only interest in this whole vaccine argument is to challenge people to think for themselves.

I often hear the vaccine has become a political issue. That is so sad. I don't quite agree entirely but yes, there are many that make their decisions based on our political hacks, be them elected or on MSNBC, FoxNews, CNN etc.

What gave you the impression I 'declare I have a closed mind, my positions are totally dependent on politics. ' . I am baffled. Call me wrong. Call me an idiot. You can call me a lot. LOL But I greatly value my independent thought. Sean Hannity makes me just as nauseous as Rachel Maddow.

My opinions are founded on principles. I have a strong bias towards freedom and with that, personal responsibility. Only recently has a "freedom thumper" become a dirty phrase. I could go on about my perspective, but pretty sure no one gives a shit. But suffice to say, you could not be more wrong in your assessment.

Dcrist0527

01-08-22, 20:36

If you believe people have the right to choose whether they kill other people, why do you believe people don't have the right to walk around naked?

And yes, that's a serious question. Public nudity is common in many countries. The practice is harmless. It's certainly safer than confining a bunch of unvaccinated children with an unvaccinated teacher for several hours per day.You are off your rocker. LOL I think you need that sleep.

I'm not an anarchist. And while I will usually favor freedom, I do think a society is entitled to setting norms to an extent. But I'll use your seatbelt example. And I'll speak on principle, which will be unpopular. But as I said in a recent reply, I am pro-freedom with a heavy dose of personal responsibility. I wear my seat belt. Why? Not because it's the law but I make the personal choice to protect myself. If someone chooses not to and they end up going through a windshield, well, we just improved the gene pool. Personal responsibility means something.

I got vaxxed using a similar logic. Let's pretend we had actual data, which the CDC won't release. If someone makes an informed decision to not get the vaccine, contracts the virus and dies? I lose no sleep about that. We all own the rewards and consequences for our decisions.

JustTK

01-08-22, 22:20

There were just about 1500 daily cases on Dec 1 which jumped to 10000 in 15 days.
Looks like Colombia is about to exceed the record of 32000 a day. I don't see things becoming somewhat normal again for another 2 months at least.
Hehe, yes. I am delighted to see the Colombian government's new vax card regulations are a complete failure. Let's hope they get reversed pronto. And it's not just Colombia. I noticed that Spain implemented an immigration policy a few months ago that requires arrivals from most countries to present a vax card. Yet they are now at an all time high of 100.000 cases per day. Many other countries too. Cases are at an all time high worldwide. Yet deaths are not. It's incredible that these governments can't see what is staring them in the face.

But that should not concern you. You do not need to show a negv test result to enter Colombia so you can enter without concern. Omicron is a pretty feeble virus so I don't see why you should worry about postponement. Just take out tarvel insurance if you are still cautious.

JustTK

01-08-22, 22:35

But yet, you stand by what we've done. You can't have it both ways, man.Yes he can. JPeedo is the most dishonest, disrespectful, patronising, condescending, myopic, ignorant, yet self-satisfied contributor here. He is also obstinate. So I suggest you stop feeding the fish.

JjBee62

01-08-22, 23:01

You're at your best when all you have are ad hominem attacks and avoidance of the issues. Unfortunately, that's not exactly a high standard.

Oh, the irony. On one hand, you make a cherry picking accusation. I'll note, you do not dispute the data. But regardless, you discount it. Then you go on to extrapolate data, make estimations not based in fact. In fact, what you speculate on cannot be known. Why? Because Pfizer blew up the control group. Perhaps the most important human study in our lifetime was undermined. By the "scientists". If that alone doesn't alarm you, Pfizer will send you a big Christmas card next year.Do you not understand the term "cherry pick?" It's quite common. It's a logical fallacy. It's dishonest and intentionally misleading. Perhaps before you respond you should look at the meaning, because you don't seem to know it.

As simple as possible, the video on ARR you keep referring to claims an ARR of 0. 84%. That number comes from the data after the first 7 days of the Pfizer study. Still with me?

The Pfizer study ran for 2 months. It didn't run for 7 days. The 7 day data was simply for a preliminary finding. Does the vaccine behave as expected? Are there unexpected side effects? Should the study be continued, or scrapped?

After 7 days, unless you have deliberately exposed everyone to the virus, you have absolutely no idea what ARR is, because you have no way of knowing how many people in your study have been exposed. Even after 2 months ARR can't be determined, but it is at least slightly closer to reality. If your anti-vax heroes were not cherry picking data they would have used the data from the end of the study instead of the beginning.

Did you understand that. It's about as basic as I can make it. If I had the time I would run the explanation past a bunch of children of different ages to figure out what age range is compatible with your ability to comprehend. Then perhaps I could get an elementary school teacher to fit the information to your level. Unfortunately, I don't have that kind of time. If you don't understand, perhaps you should go play with your toys and leave the discussion to those who can understand.

But even if I follow your speculation, you are disconnected. From reality. The manufacturers are now onto their fourth do$e. That kinda throws a kink in your math, no?There's this thing called mathematics. Apparently, it's another subject which you've failed to learn. At any point you can get a reasonable estimate of current ARR with simple math. First, take your total number of cases within your population group. Divide that number by the total population group. You can use the population of your town, your state, your country or the world. If you're still confused, the CCCA presentation includes 2 sets of numbers, at 7 days and at 2 months. In the video they show how they got the 0. 84% result. Using the data from the 2 month point, gives a result that's about 3 times higher. No extrapolation needed, no guesswork, no estimate. Just the same mathematics you were supposed to master before completing 4 grade.

My current numbers are simply what you get if you use the same simple math with the current number of total cases. The vaccine efficacy number I used, "maybe 10%" is due to the fact that positive tests are not separated based on vaccination status. That "maybe" should have been self-explanatory.

Here, again, I'll mention my biggest premise. Pfizer bastardized numbers to misrepresent capabilities. The poster you were responding to acknowledges that. They took the RRR number and sold it as your own personal protection. To your point, no one can argue the vax doesn't help protect against serious illness. But that's not how it was sold. Pfizer's efficacy marketing was on contracting COVID. Our politicians told us it would stop transmission. Hell, even the Supreme Court justices just yesterday were spouting that lie. Repestedly. Talk about misinformation!Pfizer didn't do anything with the numbers. The 95% number, which was expressed by Pfizer as "up to 95% effective at preventing infection" was a preliminary finding based upon initial indications. After the study concluded they corrected the number to "up to 91%. " They've continued to correct the number as more data becomes available.

Again I'm trying to make it as simple as possible for you. You've already stated that analogies are beyond your ability to comprehend, so I'm rather limited here.

If you are locked within a sterile environment, nothing comes in without being sterilized, no visitors allowed into your hermetically sealed environment, your risk of a Covid infection is 0. 0000%. There is no risk to you. If you take 1000 people and place all but one in the same type of isolation, and the one person outside gets Covid, what's the actual risk of Covid infection? Is it 0.1%, or is it 100%? You don't know.

That's the hyperbolic demonstration with the problem of only considering ARR. You can't adequately determine ARR, without knowing the complete exposure details of every single person. You only know that the infected people were exposed. You don't know about the uninfected people, unless both groups are within an environment where avoiding exposure is unlikely, or unless you deliberately expose your entire test population to the virus.

Fortunately, we have 2 different types of enclosed environments we can collect data from. Unfortunately, each one has a much different risk factor.

Environment 1, a US Navy ship, initially at sea, before the first infection was detected and in isolation shortly after. I'm talking about the USS Roosevelt. Of the up to 5680 crew and air wing onboard, 1271 tested positive for Covid. That's an Absolute Risk of 22%. Nobody was vaccinated and it's unlikely any had previously recovered from Covid. However, average age of the population is probably 22-25, required to meet physical fitness and obesity standards. Most likely a much healthier population than used in any study. Remember that number, 22%.

Environment 2, any nursing home, assisted living facility or correctional facility infected with Covid. You can find data for any Nursing home at http://data.cms.gov.

For this example I picked a nursing home I'm familiar with. Out of the 36 residents, 26 were confirmed with Covid, 18 died. That's an Absolute Risk of 72%, with a 50% fatality rate. This happened well before any vaccines were available. Some nursing homes had a much higher percentage of cases. This is the other end of the spectrum. Many had pre-existing conditions, many had multiple risk factors. You would expect a less effective immune system compared to the Roosevelt crew.

Using the 2 examples, adjusting for average age and risk factors, Absolute Risk falls somewhere between 22-72%. You could go and find the nursing homes with the highest or lowest percentage of cases, but ideally you would use all the available data, rather than cherry picking.

Again, you'll criticize actual data as cherry picked but then throw these numbers out? This is just overt speculation at best. The height of hypocrisy.I didn't throw any numbers out. You can go and find the numbers yourself, although you'll probably need someone else to do the math.

Here again, your language is telling. "I know that person. " As if "that person" is a unicorn. The US is the land of obesity. Roughly a third of the country is obese. Newsflash: a third of the country hadn't croaked. Yes, obesity is a comorbidity. But you talk like the fat guy that survives covid is unique. I'm a fat ass. I got it relatively early on and it was essentially a cold. You downplay that the overwhelming majority of people recover just fine.I'm making an effort to not just point out the obvious regarding your reasoning ability. I made no statement about that person. I certainly didn't indicate that person is a "unicorn. " Quite the opposite. "Unfortunately, nobody knows how Covid will affect them until they get it. " Is basic fucking English something else not in your repertoire? I used 2 examples, with different risk factors to illustrate that "nobody knows how Covid will affect them until they get it."

Oh, the irony, part two. I'm going to assume this wasn't directed at me or anyone in particular. I have never told anyone not to get vaccinated. Just the opposite, actually. But stop and think what you said. "Irresponsible. " "Despicable. " But you have no problem mandating what someone must do to themselves. No problem taking away their jobs because they don't subscribe to the group think. THEY aren't afforded the "medical professional advice. " That's settled science, right? Telling people what they must do = not despicable? Ok, bro. Gotcha.Okay, I'll surrender to my impulse. You're absolutely fucking without a clue. I have never made a statement for or against any mandates. The closest I have come is to point out that if someone is faced with a mandate, they can either comply or find a new job (or new place to travel).

Nor have I told people what they must do. Are you a child or an idiot? If there's a third option, explain it to me. The discussion is about the CCCA cherry picking data, misrepresenting their expertise and credentials and lying about the Pfizer study. It's not about mandates, supporting mandates or unicorns. If you lack the ability to discuss a simple subject, then perhaps you should find something better suited to your talents.

Elvis 2008

01-09-22, 00:51

JohnnyWalker55

01-09-22, 04:08

MarquisdeSade1

01-09-22, 04:33

As for the deaths, the CDC mandated anyone who dies with Covid is a Covid death. So a person with Covid who dies in a car crash is a Covid death.Everyone but St George.

Paulie97

01-09-22, 06:00

+1. And everybody sees it but him and his senile sidekick paulie.You are a dimwit that has never been able to go toe to toe with me or anyone else outside the Faux News lobotomized crowd so don't talk to me about senility. Wink.

Paulie97

01-09-22, 06:10

JjBee62

01-09-22, 07:27

Hehe, yes. I am delighted to see the Colombian government's new vax card regulations are a complete failure. Let's hope they get reversed pronto. And it's not just Colombia. I noticed that Spain implemented an immigration policy a few months ago that requires arrivals from most countries to present a vax card. Yet they are now at an all time high of 100.000 cases per day. Many other countries too. Cases are at an all time high worldwide. Yet deaths are not. It's incredible that these governments can't see what is staring them in the face.

But that should not concern you. You do not need to show a negv test result to enter Colombia so you can enter without concern. Omicron is a pretty feeble virus so I don't see why you should worry about postponement. Just take out tarvel insurance if you are still cautious.Your tendency to miss the point of every post you respond to continues. The concern isn't about getting into Colombia. If a person can't get into Colombia, the decision to postpone is out of their control.

There are 2 concerns for people traveling to Colombia at this time. One is not knowing if there are going to be shutdowns, curfews or a return of pico and cedula restrictions. The ministry of health previously stated those types of restrictions are based upon hospital available capacity, not on number of cases. Fortunately, Colombia has been diligent about getting people vaccinated, so hospitalization and death rates are much lower than when the strictest restrictions were enforced. Do a search and you might be able to find the reports on available hospital capacity. That will help you to decide whether or not it's a good time to visit.

The other concern is testing positive before the trip ends, forcing a quarantine which would extend the trip. If a 2 week extension of the trip would cause serious problems for you, it's probably not a good time to travel. The girls I regularly talk to are all telling me that a lot of people around them are getting sick. Fortunately, they are young, healthy and vaccinated, so none of them are suffering serious symptoms.

JustTK

01-09-22, 13:47

+1. And everybody sees it but him and his senile sidekick paulie.Right. His last name is Dunning Kruger. Classic example.

Villainy

01-09-22, 15:28

Yes he can. JPeedo is the most dishonest, disrespectful, patronising, condescending, myopic, ignorant, yet self-satisfied contributor here. He is also obstinate. So I suggest you stop feeding the fish.
+1. And everybody sees it but him and his senile sidekick paulie.One thing about JBee. Agree with him or not at least he researches his comments using reputable sources and doesn't just get his BS off of some conspiracy theory website or podcast.

BTW I think I recognize you two guys. Didn't they make a movie about you, starring Jeff Daniels and Jim Carey?

Ptrbrgr

01-09-22, 16:06

Nounce

01-09-22, 17:19

Sounds good, as long as you don't leave out all the people who decided "not to live in fear" that wound up on their backs pleading with others not to make the same mistakes as them.
.Show me some examples of vaccinated people doing that. I think the anti-vax pepole will love to hear from you and have a field day with it. LOL.

You are assuming a lot of things and you think you know about human behavior. Did you know before there will be so many people not taking vaccine.

You also throw out the false dilemma fallacy. There are more choices besides living in fear and throwing caution to the wind. For example reasonable caution doesn't have to involve fear. It's just being smart.Like wearing a mask having a drink in a packed bar? If the word fear is the only thing you don't agree, remove the word in my post.

Elvis 2008

01-09-22, 17:42

Sounds good, as long as you don't leave out all the people who decided "not to live in fear" that wound up on their backs pleading with others not to make the same mistakes as them.

You also throw out the false dilemma fallacy. There are more choices besides living in fear and throwing caution to the wind. For example reasonable caution doesn't have to involve fear. It's just being smart.That is great, Paulie. As you know I have been travelling damned near every month and have not let Covid slow me down at all. I have actually enjoyed travelling to places like Mexico City during the pandemic because traffic was so much less. I have been exposed to hundreds of cases of Covid and have never tested + for the virus. I guess that is what you mean by being smart.

But you have not said one damned thing you have done. You have not said you have gone anywhere or done anything. As far as I know, you have been locked in a bunker. So what have you been doing personally besides being locked in a bunker with CNN and MSNBC on 24 hours a day?

Paulie97

01-09-22, 18:12

And while I will usually favor freedom, I do think a society is entitled to setting norms to an extent. But I'll use your seatbelt example.Which has nothing to do with the price of rice in China. Such laws offer protection against self harm, excepting examples of parental negligence. You nor anyone else has a right to spread disease. Nor was any such notion ever envisioned in the Constitution, thus you are just chasing your tail in a hooker forum.

Forced quarantines of TB patients have been rightly upheld by the SCOTUS. Non compliant selfish morons are being removed from our armed forces, and that's a very good thing.

ChuchoLoco

01-09-22, 18:14

That is great, Paulie. As you know I have been travelling damned near every month and have not let Covid slow me down at all. I have actually enjoyed travelling to places like Mexico City during the pandemic because traffic was so much less. I have been exposed to hundreds of cases of Covid and have never tested + for the virus. I guess that is what you mean by being smart.

But you have not said one damned thing you have done. You have not said you have gone anywhere or done anything. As far as I know, you have been locked in a bunker. So what have you been doing personally besides being locked in a bunker with CNN and MSNBC on 24 hours a day?Do you take any precautionary measures or are you lucky or just have a strong immune system?

P.S.: Fox News is also available in the bunkers.

Elvis 2008

01-09-22, 18:43

Oh, the irony, part two. I'm going to assume this wasn't directed at me or anyone in particular. I have never told anyone not to get vaccinated. Just the opposite, actually. But stop and think what you said. "Irresponsible. " "Despicable. " But you have no problem mandating what someone must do to themselves. No problem taking away their jobs because they don't subscribe to the group think. THEY aren't afforded the "medical professional advice. " That's settled science, right? Telling people what they must do = not despicable? Ok, bro. Gotcha.Dchrist, JJBee is like the pledge in Animal House getting his ass smacked by Fauci and the government and says, "Thank you sir can have I another?" and thinks everyone is stupid for not following his lead. He gets vaccinated, thinks he is invincible to Covid and then gets it, has a vascular event "no one could figure out" and after lecturing people endlessly on Covid does not even know the symptoms of the disease. Then he goes to Colombia and spreads it around. I have already told him to shut up about Covid because no one wants to hear from him about this anymore. It is like a fat person lecturing on how to lose weight.

And if that is not bad enough, he actually goes out and gets the third vaccine dose. My jaw dropped when I read that. After all that he have been through and he has both natural and vaccine induced immunity, he needs a booster that causes clots? OMG. The guy literally has no common sense.

As for debating the merits of the studies on Covid early on, they are irrelevant today. Omicron does not cause death though there will be reports of people dying with omicron. When you look at the numbers with omicron and serious cases in worldometer, you see about 1 out of every 1000 cases or so today is serious. France has 3 million cases of which 3,000 are serious. I get the feeling there is 5 to 10 X that number of people sick and delta has not totally gone away so I wonder how many of those 3,000 serious cases are delta and what the real ratio of sick to seriously ill there is. The UK has 3 million or so sick as well but <1000 critical cases.

As I said before, 100% vaccination is not going to do anything because Covid is in animals. The Chinese released a study suggesting omicron came from a mouse: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-01-omicron-mouse-kind.html.

Given that omicron does not cause death and causes hospitalization so infrequently I cannot see any reason to advocate for the vaccine at this time. It is patently obvious that the vaccines do not prevent transmission, something members of one political party cannot get through their thick skulls, so why even bother with vaccinations at all then?

Thing is that you have the fear factor and Fauci. Moderna is already cooking up a vaccine for omicron and we will soon see if that fucker Fauci will be pushing it using the data from alpha and delta to do so. That sleazeball wants everyone on the damned planet vaccinated including newborns, and if Fauci says that a 4th vaccine is needed for Omicron, JJBee will be the first person in line to get it.

But the CDC has bucked Fauci on the 3rd vaccine and the notion of three vaccines means you are fully vaccinated, and I have been told ivermectin has sold out all over the country, so people are getting the message with regards to the vaccine limitations. On top of that, anyone watching sports these days knows the vaccine has done nothing to stop the spread of Covid. The CDC has been catching flak as it now wedged between what Fauci wants and a vocal set of people screaming at them about a worker shortage and other Covid related matters. I see people here mentioning 2 weeks of isolation versus 5 days and I wonder where they have been.

But if the CDC says a 3rd vaccine is needed to be fully vaccinated, I am not doing it, and I think the pushback on this will be enormous.

The Supreme Court striking down the vaccine mandate looks like a done deal now. The sad part about that is that only information from prior cases is allowed into a Supreme Court case so while there was discussion of the vaccine stopping transmission as it did with alpha, the justices know that they do not prevent the spread. Hell, one of the lawyers was triple vaxxed and could not show up because he had Covid.

So yeah, the virus is doing what viruses do: spreading easier but not killing the host. I said before I expect 60,000+ cases in Colombia down when it was around only 1,000 cases per day. It is over 30,000 now, and it will continue higher but do not let that fool you. No one will be that sick. From a health care standpoint, I repeat the pandemic is done even with the escalating number of cases.

Elvis 2008

01-09-22, 18:46

Forced quarantines of TB patients have been rightly upheld by the SCOTUS. Non compliant selfish morons are being removed from our armed forces, and that's a very good thing.And that is apples to oranges. The treatment of TB is solid and it actually prevents the transmission of TB to others unlike the vaccine, but you are so dense you do not get that.

The vaccine does not prevent transmission any longer Paulie. Do you get that? In logic terms, you are making a false analogy.

Elvis 2008

01-09-22, 18:56

Do you take any precautionary measures or are you lucky or just have a strong immune system?I avoided sick people and when talking to someone with Covid kept the conversations short. With all the talk of social distancing, hand washing, and lockdowns, what was missed was how the virus is actually spread. It was prolonged exposure to someone with Covid with alpha. With delta, the exposure was even shorter.

As of today, though, you can throw that out the window because of how contagious omicron is. I do not think I have had omicron but even if I get it, it is no big deal. With omicron, I would rather have the disease than the vaccine.

Huacho

01-09-22, 19:09

I wear my seat belt. Why? Not because it's the law but I make the personal choice to protect myself. If someone chooses not to and they end up going through a windshield, well, we just improved the gene pool. Or, they survive as a paraplegic, and you, JB, taxpayers in general, and I have to support them in a vegetative state for years. I'm old enough to admit that I only started wearing my seat belt when my employer required it. It became a habit. Then it became a law.

So how others' behaviors affect the society in which they live does actually matter. A lot of the stuff I hear opposing vax mandates is the exact same crap from 40 years ago about seat belt laws. Now, I'm quite sure that seat belt usage is lower among the un vaxxed. I'd bet my own money on it if anyone can prove it. So it's the same kind of people saying it's personal choice to get thrown through the windshield who are saying it's personal choice to run around un vaxxed. And the non-seat belt wearers affect society inexorably in the long run via health care costs, but the anti vaxxers are affecting society more and faster because their inactions affect and infect everyone around them, all the time, all day long.

Paulie97

01-09-22, 19:30

Do you take any precautionary measures or are you lucky or just have a strong immune system?

P.S.: Fox News is also available in the bunkers.How does Elvira do it? Well he lies a lot which is very easy to do on the internet. But yea it's ironic those complaining about CNN and MSNBC while immersing their brains in Tucker and Hannity, textbook pot calling the kettle black. Such is barely a step up from Alex Jones.

Dcrist0527

01-09-22, 21:31

Which has nothing to do with the price of rice in China. Such laws offer protection against self harm, excepting examples of parental negligence. You nor anyone else has a right to spread disease. Nor was any such notion ever envisioned in the Constitution, thus you are just chasing your tail in a hooker forum.Well, thank you, peanut gallery. But I wasn't the one that brought up seat belts. Perhaps pay attention to context before allowing your head to explode. And using your logic, why haven't I been jailed for the years I haven't got the flu vaccine? Like jjbee, your misuse of "rights" is pathetic. Has ANYONE claimed the right to spread a virus? But sure, maybe slogans are easier for you to digest.

Forced quarantines of TB patients have been rightly upheld by the SCOTUS. Non compliant selfish morons are being removed from our armed forces, and that's a very good thing.You are an angry one, huh? LOL. Curious how you feel about the lies and misinformation that SCOTUS spewed this week. Funny how the "science" is malleable to support your political cause.

Ptrbrgr

01-09-22, 23:15

First a disclaimer: I am not typing this to whitewash what happens in the pharmaceutical industry. It would be childish to say all of pharma is evil, but lots of nasty stuff happens there for sure, greed is rampant, and they surely do not lose any money over this pandemic. Not waiving their intellectual property protections during this pandemic I think is unforgivable. Just to get this out of the way.

I think one could take almost any biomedical report and summarize it in two different ways that seem to say completely opposite things. One way to do this is by cherry picking, as was pointed out here already, but I found that omitting facts is even more effective to spin things. There are some really clever people out there who have perfected that art. Sometimes they don't even lie. They tell you 100% the truth, but it is incomplete, and by leaving out critical facts they know exactly how people will misunderstand things. An example before we get to the Canadian Covid Care Alliance (CCCA) video, so you understand what I mean.

At the beginning of the pandemic an elderly lady in the neighborhood didn't want to wear a mask, because she was afraid it would make her sick. Turned out someone put a flier in her mailbox. One of the 'facts' on the flyer said they took some used masks to the lab, and the flyer included a very long list of all sorts of nasty sounding bacteria and germs they said they found. Small wonder the old lady thought she would get sick. I have no reason to doubt that these guys did this experiment and found all these bugs. It is called the microbiome, but they didn't mention that in the flyer. Every human body contains more non-human than human cells, and the bacteria etc were in the masks because they are also in your lungs and you breathe them into the fabric. They were yours to begin with. They don't make you sick, they actually keep you healthy. But what does an old lady know about the microbiome? These guys with the flyer knew exactly what they were doing. And they didn't say anything that was incorrect. And if you put something like this out on social media, it invariably gets shared within minutes by lots of people lamenting the danger of masks. These people are very clever, but they rely on lots of gullible people who have no filter to amplify their stuff.

In comparison, the CCCA video was moderately clever at best. They make ample use of omissions, but the video also contains falsehoods and at least one blatant monster lie, which is that the trial deviated from the 'plan' as they put it. Every clinical trial has a protocol. This is the gospel. Every T is crossed, every I is dotted. For those with a masochistic bent, you can find the protocol for this trial in the supplementary material of the NEJM paper, all 376 pages thereof. Every protocol has a detailed plan for interim analyses, and has exactly defined rules for stopping early. This can happen for example if you find early on that the vaccine is highly effective, or if there are adverse outcomes and safety issues. This trial was stopped early, exactly following the protocol, because it hit all primary efficacy endpoints and safety checks. This was reported in all media outlets at the time. The CCCA knows this. When they say the trialists deviated from the protocol, they are blatantly lying to you. There is no other way of putting it. And when you stop early, the trial is over, you unblind, and offer the vaccine to all participants, also according to protocol. If you have a highly effective vaccine, it would be unethical to do otherwise.

Onwards to the RRR versus ARR mambo jambo (if numbers aren't your thing, you might want to skip this section). Dcrist0527 pointed out in his post there is indeed an important difference. A clinical trial is always comparative, treatment versus placebo arm. Therefore you always report the outcome as a relative measure such as efficacy. There is nothing special about COVID trials. It's always been that way, always will be that way. That was the 95% cited in the NEJM paper. Now if you are a policy maker, and you want to know for example something about the basic reproduction number R0, you want to know something about absolute risks and reduction of those through interventions. But this is pretty complicated stuff and hard to estimate, because things constantly change. So what is the point of the CCCA in the video? They first tell you how you need to misinterpret the 95%, because otherwise their punchline doesn't work. Then they walk you through the math how to calculate the RRR and ARR. 162/18325 is 0. 88%, 8/18198 is 0. 04%, RRR is 95%, ARR is the difference, 0. 84%. To the lay person watching the video it might appear that Pfizer deliberately reported only the RRR because it is larger and the ARR looks dismal. But that is not how it works. If you want to say something about the vaccine itself, you have to report the RRR, reasons see above. Consider what would have happened if the trial had ended after 4 months instead of 2 months. If things stayed the same, you would expect roughly twice as many infections in both arms (not exactly, but for arguments sake it's good enough). 324/18325 is 1. 76%, 16/18198 is 0. 09%, RRR is still 95%, ARR is the difference, 1. 68%. So the ARR goes up, despite the vaccine effectiveness staying the same. Even if nothing changes, you can ramp up the ARR just by running the trial longer. Does that make sense? What is the interpretation of that? The ARR surely has its uses, but when you want to say something about the vaccine itself it is not particularly useful, despite what the CCCA tries to imply. The FDA user's guide they show in the video that says communicating absolute risks is preferable to communicating relative risks? Guess what, it is not for clinical trials, it is for medical decision making. If someone gets a genetic test because she has a family history of breast cancer, and it turns out she has certain BRCA variants, it is of very little help if we tell her the lifetime risk to develop breast cancer is 10 times higher compared to someone like her not having the variants. If we can tell her we estimate her lifetime risk to be 75%, she can make a decision whether or not to get a mastectomy. Just google the title of the user's guide, you find the pdf of the compendium on the FDA website. Chapter 7 page 60 is what they show you in the video. None of this has anything to do with clinical trials. The opening line to the chapter is "For patients to make informed decisions about their health care, they must understand the risks and benefits of their treatment options, including the numeric likelihoods". The CCCA knows that too. They are just counting on people being too lazy to look it up.

Next came the ballyhoo about the evidence of harm. They first make a big production about a significant increase in illness, showing a much larger number of adverse events. Well duh. That table shows all such events including arm soreness and fever and the like. And of course you'll see more sore arms if you inject a vaccine instead of saline. Those who get excited about these videos: do you actually ever look at the original paper? It is not that the Pfizer report hides this in any way. The results first say something about the population, and then comes a lengthy section about safety, including adverse events. If you don't know what reactogenicity means, look it up on Wikipedia: "In clinical trials, the term reactogenicity refers to the property of a vaccine of being able to produce common, "expected" adverse reactions, especially excessive immunological responses and associated signs and symptoms, including fever and sore arm at the injection site. " And the NEJM paper specifically refers to Table S3 the CCCA shows in the video: "Adverse event analyses are provided for all enrolled 43,252 participants, with variable follow-up time after dose 1 (Table S3). More BNT162 b2 recipients than placebo recipients reported any adverse event (27% and 12%, respectively) or a related adverse event (21% and 5% This distribution largely reflects the inclusion of transient reactogenicity events, which were reported as adverse events more commonly by vaccine recipients than by placebo recipients. " There is nothing sinister about it, it is totally normal and expected. If you look at the real safety concerns in that table such as life-threatening events, you see there are actually more in the placebo than in the vaccine group. No marks for guesses why the CCCA didn't highlight those numbers.

Next came a claim about an increased risk of death. Well, death happens, and remember that this trial included all ages, including participants in their 90's. So it is not surprising that some deaths occur. The question is whether there is truly a higher rate of death in the vaccine group, as the CCCA claims. For those who took a statistics course, remember Fisher's exact test? If you plug in the numbers the CCCA shows you, you get a pvalue of 0. 39, and the odds ratios could reasonably be anywhere between 0. 33 and 1. 46. So from these numbers you can not conclude whether the rates are the same, or if they are different, in which group they are higher. But the CCCA could have said something about the FDA report from November 8, 2021. Given what's at stake, of course lots of people looked at the 20 deaths in the vaccine group from every possible angle. The final FDA report concluded not a single death was due to the vaccine. But saying so in the video would have gotten a bit in the way of scaring people.

This concluded the main part of their misinformation campaign, and they went on to beating some dead horses, such as the fast timeline of the vaccine development. That was discussed ad nauseam already. Throwing billions of dollars at it, blanket indemnification for the pharmaceutical companies, an all hands on deck approach with fast tracking at the FDA, all of that surely helps getting a vaccine out the door quickly. At that point in the video I tossed in the towel. One last comment on that slide. There is vegan BM who says he refuses the vaccine because it was tested on animals. I fully understand and respect that position. But that BM was also one of the first here to link the video. JustTK, I hope you have been well! Did you catch that? The CCCA says that one of the reasons for the fast timeline was that Pfizer skipped important safety steps, including animal testing. Great news for you my man, you can now get a vaccine! Except, well, you can't, because the CCCA was lying about this as too.

ChuchoLoco

01-09-22, 23:34

I avoided sick people and when talking to someone with Covid kept the conversations short. With all the talk of social distancing, hand washing, and lockdowns, what was missed was how the virus is actually spread. It was prolonged exposure to someone with Covid with alpha. With delta, the exposure was even shorter.

As of today, though, you can throw that out the window because of how contagious omicron is. I do not think I have had omicron but even if I get it, it is no big deal. With omicron, I would rather have the disease than the vaccine.Common sense goes like a long way and you have it down. I plan on doing the same and will keep an N95 with me in case I get in a crowd but will avoid them. No Metro this visit and will miss going to Arvi on the cable. Yes, exposure time is critical and ignored. Remember when you couldn't touch anything or needed to have everything sanitized because the virus would live for days and your hands would pick it up? The masks were BS because only the n95 is any good or the Korean or European counterparts but low supply and had to go to hospitals etc. So they have everyone wearing worthless paper or cloth but that was great for cheap mask makers. Anyway, stay healthy with your common sense approach that works.

Mr Enternational

01-10-22, 00:45

You nor anyone else has a right to spread disease. Nor was any such notion ever envisioned in the Constitution, thus you are just chasing your tail in a hooker forum.

Forced quarantines of TB patients have been rightly upheld by the SCOTUS. Non compliant selfish morons are being removed from our armed forces, and that's a very good thing.Are you stupid or are you just dumb? Forced quarantine of actual TB PATIENTS you compare to forced discaharge of people with nothing wrong with them, people with no disease to spread. But I guess we are going by they MIGHT get a disease to spread around. So if calculations are correct, now that the noncompliant selfish morons are gone we should see nobody in the military come up with the disease to spread around. If there was a Nobel prize for stupid you would be a repeat winner. But since there is not you will just have to keep settling for being a loser.

Paulie97

01-11-22, 04:04

Common sense goes like a long way and you have it down. I plan on doing the same and will keep an N95 with me in case I get in a crowd but will avoid them. No Metro this visit and will miss going to Arvi on the cable. Yes, exposure time is critical and ignored. Remember when you couldn't touch anything or needed to have everything sanitized because the virus would live for days and your hands would pick it up? The masks were BS because only the n95 is any good or the Korean or European counterparts but low supply and had to go to hospitals etc. So they have everyone wearing worthless paper or cloth but that was great for cheap mask makers. Anyway, stay healthy with your common sense approach that works.Everyone has "common sense" after the fact which is the classic Monday morning quarterbacking angle. But the very nature of science is to amend conclusions and policy as more information becomes available. Homemade cloth masks were useful, depending on weaves, layers, and thread counts. Not all are created equally, and they were only promoted for a time due to the shortage of N95 and surgical masks. The former are the best, the latter still rather effective depending on the grade.

Be careful when you start accusing someone like Elvira of common sense, as there's surely more to the story, while you are swallowing some barstool analysis full of omissions. See above. Wink.

P.S. The same kicked, cried, and screamed because he was denied access to a supermarket in Mexico for not having a mask. He has also posted YouTubes of 4th rate shock jocks who discouraged mask wearing, while he predicted that less than 80 k Americans would die of Covid. So if you are looking to suck up you need to keep looking.

Elvis 2008

01-11-22, 04:58

How does Elvira do it? Well he lies a lot which is very easy to do on the internet. But yea it's ironic those complaining about CNN and MSNBC while immersing their brains in Tucker and Hannity, textbook pot calling the kettle black. Such is barely a step up from Alex Jones.Nice insult but you did not answer the question. What have you been doing the last 2 years since the pandemic began? All I hear from you is your criticizing anyone else while talking nothing about yourself. Mr. E has been travelling so has JJBee, JustTK, Nounce but you have been mum. I repeat, what have YOU been doing?

Elvis 2008

01-11-22, 05:15

Common sense goes like a long way and you have it down. I plan on doing the same and will keep an N95 with me in case I get in a crowd but will avoid them. No Metro this visit and will miss going to Arvi on the cable. Yes, exposure time is critical and ignored. Remember when you couldn't touch anything or needed to have everything sanitized because the virus would live for days and your hands would pick it up? The masks were BS because only the n95 is any good or the Korean or European counterparts but low supply and had to go to hospitals etc. So they have everyone wearing worthless paper or cloth but that was great for cheap mask makers. Anyway, stay healthy with your common sense approach that works.CL, what is frustrating to me is that it is the number of droplets that cause disease, and the government has just emphasized the mask when that is a small part of the whole picture. Yeah, N95 probably works better than cloth. I think both are helpful though. Thing is that it is just not masks but length of time with someone and talking to them and also the force of the particles expired so more with singing, laughing, coughing, or the force of someone's voice. The goal is to limit the exposure of those particles.

And handwashing was a complete joke. Social distancing was pretty arbitrary as well.

The NFL did some great Covid studies. It was thought that you had to be present with someone for 10 minutes indoors to catch Covid from them. The NFL found that if people were talking to each other and not wearing masks, there could be transmission of the virus in as little as 5 minutes.

But like I said, you can throw that all out the window now. You have teams that are 98% vaxxed and half the team has Covid. I do not know what the time frame is with catching Covid now. It seems like it may be down to a minute or two and now the people do not look sick. Outside of doing what Paulie does and living in a bunker, I do not know how someone does not catch omicron.

Elvis 2008

01-11-22, 06:12

Next came the ballyhoo about the evidence of harm.

Given what's at stake, of course lots of people looked at the 20 deaths in the vaccine group from every possible angle. The final FDA report concluded not a single death was due to the vaccine. All the BS aside, at the end of the day, you are left to trust the FDA. Fauci said 70% and we get to herd immunity, and we are there now. Was there a decrease in deaths due to Covid in 2021? Nope, so vaccine rates went through the roof and Covid deaths went higher. Fauci said that you were 11 X more likely to die from Covid if you are unvaccinated. Well then how come deaths from Covid went up and not down with 70% of the population being vaccinated?

Did the study predict the increased death rate? Yes or no? And if it did then you have to look at how the FDA determined that these deaths were not related to the vaccine, but you did not touch on that at all. When the government was shut down, half the FDA was still open because that is what % of the FDA is supported by big pharma. The government shut off funds to the FDA and they were still going.

And do you know when FDA / Pfizer / Moderna wanted to release safety data on the vaccine? 75 years from now. A judge rejected that and told them 8 months:https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/judge-rejects-fdas-75-year-delay-vax-data-cuts-8-months.

That is not exactly confidence inspiring is it?

The #1 killer in America is heart disease, and it is known the vaccine harms the heart. So if someone dies of a heart attack after getting the vaccine, how do you say the heart attack was or was not related to the vaccine? I do not even know how you would do it. Do you?

What I could certainly say is this person had atherosclerosis and say "Eh, that had nothing to do with the vaccine. He was a goner anyway" and blow it off.

That is not science. Science is showing us the method you used for blowing it off and seeing if it is valid.

This is part of what informed consent is about. Do you think most people who get the vaccine are told "the death rate was higher with those who got vaccinated but the FDA said it was no big deal" or are led to believe the vaccine is a life saver?

I keep reading about how these vaccines saved millions of lives. My question is where are they?

You can argue about whether the vaccine does increase deaths or say it may increase deaths. My question to you is where does anyone get off mandating or advocating for a therapy that may increase death rates?

RamDavidson84

01-11-22, 06:28

Everyone has "common sense" after the fact which is the classic Monday morning quarterbacking angle. But the very nature of science is to amend conclusions and policy as more information becomes available. Homemade cloth masks were useful, depending on weaves, layers, and thread counts. Not all are created equally, and they were only promoted for a time due to the shortage of N95 and surgical masks. The former are the best, the latter still rather effective depending on the grade.

Be careful when you start accusing someone like Elvira of common sense, as there's surely more to the story, while you are swallowing some barstool analysis full of omissions. See above. Wink.

P.S. The same kicked, cried, and screamed because he was denied access to a supermarket in Mexico for not having a mask. He has also posted YouTubes of 4th rate shock jocks who discouraged mask wearing, while he predicted that less than 80 k Americans would die of Covid. So if you are looking to suck up you need to keep looking.With hundreds of thousands of cases of Omicron daily, should we still have to take a covid test to re-enter the country? Hmmmmm.

Vaccines were supposed to be 95% effective. More people die in 2021 than 2020 when there were no vaccines available. Why are Vaccines mandates and Boosters are still being discussed? Why is no one talking about the false effectiveness of the vaccines? Hmmmmmmmmm.

How does China, a nation of 1.3 billion people, not have more cases of Omicron? Hmmmmm.

The answers to these questions seem like common sense to me, but half the country will cry murder if I were to state my opinion publicly. Hmmmmmm. Freedom of speech? Hmmmmm. LOL let the name calling and slandering begin! Jaja.

JjBee62

01-11-22, 07:58

+1. And everybody sees it but him and his senile sidekick paulie.Another excellent example of not knowing what you're talking about.

Paulie and I had a big public, knock down fight right here over 3 years ago. It might have been the reason this thread was started. We haven't really talked since then. We're not sidekicks, friends or buddies.

Here's something you might understand when you reach emotional maturity. I agree or disagree with what is posted. It doesn't matter who posted it. Bullshit (for example, declaring the pandemic is over) is bullshit, regardless of the source. Good advice is good advice regardless of the source.

As for the rest of what you agreed with, I suggest you go read the other threads. There have been a few people over the years who might have agreed with me at one time or another.

JjBee62

01-11-22, 07:59

One thing about JBee. Agree with him or not at least he researches his comments using reputable sources and doesn't just get his BS off of some conspiracy theory website or podcast.

BTW I think I recognize you two guys. Didn't they make a movie about you, starring Jeff Daniels and Jim Carey?Shhh. Don't tell them my secrets.

JjBee62

01-11-22, 08:25

Thank you for this. I found the video, and managed to watch almost ten minutes of it before I threw in the towel. Oh dear. Well, to those who got so upset about the video: as they told Cheese Wagstaff in the Wire after the dog fight: "I think you have been played". I'll see if I can find a bit of time later today to type up a brief summary.I enjoyed your summary. Although you went into more detail, I've been over all of those points several times. It's an exercise in futility. Either people see the easily verified truth immediately, or they will defend the easily debunked lie until the day they die.

JjBee62

01-11-22, 08:46

It's equivalent to over for some. It's based on a different thinking. It is possible if this continues for another 10 years. Many more will just move on to live normally.

Why a bar is packed with people without masks? I see plenty of them. I know some just decided they want to live normally and not live in fear. That is why you see some people change their tune in this thread, although they gave a different reason.

For me freedom is a collective right. In that, I mean I have no problem going into a packed bar right now or every night, but I won't go back to my family before I quarantine myself for 2 weeks. LOL. I will do the quarantine for my family in this case because they don't think like me.For anyone traveling internationally, the pandemic isn't over, no matter what they think. If you're required to have a negative test to enter a country, telling the airline that your positive test doesn't matter because the pandemic is over for you, won't get you on the plane. Taking off your mask on the plane will still have you in legal trouble, if you refuse to put it back on.

Not just bars, but entire stadiums are packed with maskless people. I don't know any people who have been living in fear. Mostly they are people who recognize the risks and base their actions on whether or not the risk is worth it.

Freedom is a collective, or community right. If the exercise of your freedom has a negative impact on others, then you're not exercising freedom, you're imposing tyranny.

I am also willing to take risks for myself, but I try not to put others at risk.

Dcrist0527

01-11-22, 09:05

First, allow me to say kudos on a well thought out response. I would agree with most of your points and disagree with a few.

the video also contains falsehoods and at least one blatant monster lie, which is that the trial deviated from the 'plan' as they put it. Every clinical trial has a protocol. This is the gospel. Every T is crossed, every I is dotted. For those with a masochistic bent, you can find the protocol for this trial in the supplementary material of the NEJM paper, all 376 pages thereof. Every protocol has a detailed plan for interim analyses, and has exactly defined rules for stopping early. This can happen for example if you find early on that the vaccine is highly effective, or if there are adverse outcomes and safety issues. This trial was stopped early, exactly following the protocol, because it hit all primary efficacy endpoints and safety checks. This was reported in all media outlets at the time. The CCCA knows this. When they say the trialists deviated from the protocol, they are blatantly lying to you. There is no other way of putting it. And when you stop early, the trial is over, you unblind, and offer the vaccine to all participants, also according to protocol. If you have a highly effective vaccine, it would be unethical to do otherwiseI could not disagree more. As I said earlier in the thread, this was arguably the most important human trials of our lifetime. You contradict yourself when you say everything went as planned. And then detail how they moved the mark. It's like a 100-question exam. If you answer the first 10 questions correctly, you can stop there and claim a perfect score? I concede there is an ethical argument that can be made. (I don't necessarily agree with it on balance.) But to pull the plug 2 months in because you like the early results? That's borderline unethical. We lost any ability to track longevity. And lo and behold, one of the biggest problems we have today is the vaccine waning. Let's not mention long term side effects. But this is where it gets ugly and sinister. We allowed Pfizer to grade their own test. Granted, that's normal. But the FDA and CDC were waiting with their rubber stamp. The reality: they got a 100% on those first 10 questions but boy, they sure didn't earn a perfect score.

Onwards to the RRR versus ARR mambo jambo (if numbers aren't your thing, you might want to skip this section). Dcrist0527 pointed out in his post there is indeed an important difference. A clinical trial is always comparative, treatment versus placebo arm. Therefore you always report the outcome as a relative measure such as efficacy. There is nothing special about COVID trials. It's always been that way, always will be that way. That was the 95% cited in the NEJM paper. Now if you are a policy maker, and you want to know for example something about the basic reproduction number R0, you want to know something about absolute risks and reduction of those through interventions. But this is pretty complicated stuff and hard to estimate, because things constantly change.I'm ashamed to admit to being a numbers nerd. LOL. Again, I don't disagree with much of what was said. Both RRR and ARR are valid metrics. And you were very effective in summarizing their worth. But what I strongly object to is selling RRR as efficacy. Or even the false definition spread about efficacy. Use your example. If that old lady got a flier saying you are 95% more likely to stay free of covid if you take this shot, would she? Because that's what happened to the masses. And that is not at all accurate. So I suppose my beef is more with the marketing vs the actual math. Here again, I blame CDC and FDA as much as I blame Pfizer. And I blame our policy makers even more. They put the politics over science anf clarity.

I'll agree to disagree with you on these points. But I appreciate the dialogue.

JjBee62

01-11-22, 09:24

Your portrayal of me could not be further from the truth. I would consider my position to be somewhere between conservative and libertarian. It would also be fair to say 90%+ of the democrat party turns my stomach. But what you cannot say about me is that I follow a party line. Clearly you misinterpreted my last point about Dem vs Rep. Or maybe I wasn't clear; it works both ways. The vast majority of political discourse is party driven. That is a sad fact. Gone is independent thought. It is my side vs your side at all costs. Ideas? They don't matter. And as I have said repeatedly now, my only interest in this whole vaccine argument is to challenge people to think for themselves.

I often hear the vaccine has become a political issue. That is so sad. I don't quite agree entirely but yes, there are many that make their decisions based on our political hacks, be them elected or on MSNBC, FoxNews, CNN etc.

What gave you the impression I 'declare I have a closed mind, my positions are totally dependent on politics. ' . I am baffled. Call me wrong. Call me an idiot. You can call me a lot. LOL But I greatly value my independent thought. Sean Hannity makes me just as nauseous as Rachel Maddow.

My opinions are founded on principles. I have a strong bias towards freedom and with that, personal responsibility. Only recently has a "freedom thumper" become a dirty phrase. I could go on about my perspective, but pretty sure no one gives a shit. But suffice to say, you could not be more wrong in your assessment.If you value your independent thought, why aren't you using it? Our entire discussion started with my response about some anti-vax propaganda. You've repeatedly defended that propaganda and the anonymous people who are responsible for it. Merely 5 seconds of independent thought will clearly show it for what it is. If you want a more detailed approach, read ptrbrgr's post on the CCCA video. He covers the same points I covered, in greater detail and with a high level of knowledge.

This gave me the impression you have a closed mind and base your decisions on politics:

Perhaps you need to research what a "right" is. The left seems to have a real challenge with that.When people phrase things as left, right, liberal or conservative, they're making a political declaration. If one side "has a real challenge" with something, it's black or white thinking. Add in that 90% of Democrats turn your stomach and the summation is a closed mind guided by politics.

What is a right? Time for another quote:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.Recognize that? All men? Unalienable rights? Liberty? Are you wondering "what about all those slaves?" Right in the US Declaration of Independence.

"Rights" are subject to change. 200 years ago, most people didn't have the right to vote. Until 100 years ago women didn't have the right to own property. It wasn't too long ago when a woman didn't have the right to choose a husband.

Let's apply the concept of rights to your open mind. Every year rights get changed. Some go away, some new ones take their place.

What is your argument against healthcare as a right? Do you believe that wealth is the determining factor on who receives medical care?

JjBee62

01-11-22, 09:37

Or, they survive as a paraplegic, and you, JB, taxpayers in general, and I have to support them in a vegetative state for years. I'm old enough to admit that I only started wearing my seat belt when my employer required it. It became a habit. Then it became a law.

So how others' behaviors affect the society in which they live does actually matter. A lot of the stuff I hear opposing vax mandates is the exact same crap from 40 years ago about seat belt laws. Now, I'm quite sure that seat belt usage is lower among the un vaxxed. I'd bet my own money on it if anyone can prove it. So it's the same kind of people saying it's personal choice to get thrown through the windshield who are saying it's personal choice to run around un vaxxed. And the non-seat belt wearers affect society inexorably in the long run via health care costs, but the anti vaxxers are affecting society more and faster because their inactions affect and infect everyone around them, all the time, all day long.This is why Singapore now refuses to pay healthcare costs for any voluntarily unvaccinated person.

JjBee62

01-11-22, 09:48

Are you stupid or are you just dumb? Forced quarantine of actual TB PATIENTS you compare to forced discaharge of people with nothing wrong with them, people with no disease to spread. But I guess we are going by they MIGHT get a disease to spread around. So if calculations are correct, now that the noncompliant selfish morons are gone we should see nobody in the military come up with the disease to spread around. If there was a Nobel prize for stupid you would be a repeat winner. But since there is not you will just have to keep settling for being a loser.I don't recall anyone refusing the forced vaccinations I went through. Pretty sure they would have quickly been removed. Either that or, someone would have helped hold them down and they would have been vaccinated anyway.

This is pure speculation. What if the Pentagon mandate has less to do with spreading the disease and more to do with minimizing the serious illness cases? If 20% of your crew is incapacitated with Covid, you've got a problem. If 20% of your crew has a mild cough and fever, you're still able to operate.

ChuchoLoco

01-11-22, 17:03

CL, what is frustrating to me is that it is the number of droplets that cause disease, and the government has just emphasized the mask when that is a small part of the whole picture. Yeah, N95 probably works better than cloth. I think both are helpful though. Thing is that it is just not masks but length of time with someone and talking to them and also the force of the particles expired so more with singing, laughing, coughing, or the force of someone's voice. The goal is to limit the exposure of those particles.

And handwashing was a complete joke. Social distancing was pretty arbitrary as well.

The NFL did some great Covid studies. It was thought that you had to be present with someone for 10 minutes indoors to catch Covid from them. The NFL found that if people were talking to each other and not wearing masks, there could be transmission of the virus in as little as 5 minutes.

But like I said, you can throw that all out the window now. You have teams that are 98% vaxxed and half the team has Covid. I do not know what the time frame is with catching Covid now. It seems like it may be down to a minute or two and now the people do not look sick. Outside of doing what Paulie does and living in a bunker, I do not know how someone does not catch omicron.E, Just saw this. CDC is now saying that the virus is only active and alive and therefore contagious in the air for only 5 minutes! Maybe they are just learning along the way. Only thing, my son had to go to emergency room here in US for non virus reason anf he told me the ER was overflowing and people wired up and O2 in hallways and waiting area. He left but his doctor got him a room. Spoke with a friend's wife who works there and they have 3 times the virus patients compared to highest level a while ago. Not sure wtf is going on. I don't think angone really knows. All I know is we live in a crazy time. Keep staying healthy and enjoying yourself and same to all.

Mr Enternational

01-11-22, 17:19

I don't recall anyone refusing the forced vaccinations I went through. Pretty sure they would have quickly been removed. Either that or, someone would have helped hold them down and they would have been vaccinated anyway.And how many slaves did you see refusing to pick cotton? Different day and time. Back then it was send your soul to heaven because your ass belongs to Uncle Sam. Today people are more fuck this bullshit; I am going home.

If people had been of the mind of refusing then that is exactly what they would have done. And I am not saying they would have refused because of the vaccine. They would have refused because of the needles alone.

I tell people that 2 times I have literally seen grown men cry are when it was time to get a shot and when it was time to jump into some water. There were a lot of damn people that can't swim and are deathly afraid of water that went to join the Navy. Maybe they did not know they would have to get into the water at one point or another? Enjoy your basements gentlemen. Excuse me as I head out to enjoy this fine Cancun day.

JjBee62

01-11-22, 18:44

And how many slaves did you see refusing to pick cotton? Different day and time. Back then it was send your soul to heaven because your ass belongs to Uncle Sam. Today people are more fuck this bullshit; I am going home.

If people had been of the mind of refusing then that is exactly what they would have done. And I am not saying they would have refused because of the vaccine. They would have refused because of the needles alone.

I tell people that 2 times I have literally seen grown men cry are when it was time to get a shot and when it was time to jump into some water. There were a lot of damn people that can't swim and are deathly afraid of water that went to join the Navy. Maybe they did not know they would have to get into the water at one point or another? Enjoy your basements gentlemen. Excuse me as I head out to enjoy this fine Cancun day.I didn't realize you were old enough to actually see slaves picking cotton? Amazing. Your 200th birthday should be coming up soon.

I'm having trouble figuring this out. Are you saying that people in the military are slaves? Or that slaves were all volunteers? Seems a rather strange comparison to make.

But they didn't refuse because of the needles alone. 2 guys fainted every single time. 1 guy pissed his pants every single time. Can't get much more terrified than that.

The difference wasn't that everyone then thought their ass belonged to Uncle Sam. The difference was they didn't have a bunch of unqualified conspiracy theorists making up horror stories about the vaccines. Unfortunately, people are more willing to believe a lie than the truth. And more people are willing to spread lies rather than learn the truth. I guess it makes them feel important.

For example, earlier you lied (many times, but just one example) when you said you can't read more than 2 lines of anything I write. I'm still waiting for your explanation of how someone can have 2 separate Covid infections in under 1 month. Still working on it?

Hate to disappoint you. I don't have a basement, not that I'm ever home. Only home 28 hours last week. Hoping to get in 40 hours this week.

Nounce

01-11-22, 19:15

For anyone traveling internationally, the pandemic isn't over, no matter what they think. If you're required to have a negative test to enter a country, telling the airline that your positive test doesn't matter because the pandemic is over for you, won't get you on the plane. Taking off your mask on the plane will still have you in legal trouble, if you refuse to put it back on...That is why I say for me freedom is a collective right. Just follow rules and move on. What I am trying to say in my post is that the debate here or issue like this in general is not a science one, not the type of science being discussed here. You won't get very far at this point if you only focus on numbers or medical science alone.

Also the way you frame your reply here because you impose an idea on someone who may think differently but follow the rules. I think that is why it ends with shutting match.

Didn't you notice that Elvis was not really saying vaccine does not work, although that may seem what he was saying, but based on the reply, I think he was saying virus is evolving faster than vaccine development. I am not him, so only he knows what he thinks but that is what I came away with. The other poster reacted negatively about my post is similar.

Ptrbrgr

01-11-22, 19:24

First, allow me to say kudos on a well thought out response. I would agree with most of your points and disagree with a few.I also appreciate the dialogue and that you share your reasoning in a way one can have a discussion. With apologies, my response will be a bit shorter as things are very busy at the moment.

This is really not meant to be condescending, but I am predicting you never ran a clinical trial yourself or served on a data and safety monitoring board (DSMB). So here is the gist: Every clinical trial (this one, run by Pfizer) has oversight by an independent group of experts. That's the DSMB. The trial protocol is established and agreed upon before the trial starts, and includes a detailed plan for interim analyses and early stopping rules. And if the trialists deviate one iota from the protocol, the DSMB hands them their asses. It rarely happens, but when it does, it is epic.

I could not disagree more. As I said earlier in the thread, this was arguably the most important human trials of our lifetime. You contradict yourself when you say everything went as planned. And then detail how they moved the mark. It's like a 100-question exam. If you answer the first 10 questions correctly, you can stop there and claim a perfect score? I concede there is an ethical argument that can be made. (I don't necessarily agree with it on balance.) But to pull the plug 2 months in because you like the early results? That's borderline unethical.It is important to understand that nobody moved any mark, whatsoever. The early stopping rules were detailed in the protocol before the trial started. As the data comes in, at prespecified intervals the evidence is assessed. These are the interim analyses. To stop a trial early for positive reasons, the evidence for efficacy has to be overwhelming. The fact that you look at the data multiple times throughout a trial on a rolling basis is taken into account by what's called type I error attribution (type I error means you falsely conclude the treatment is effective when it is not). So nobody gets to cherry pick because they like the early results. When you start a trial, you have no idea what the outcome will be. There are many avenues a trial can take, and the decision rules where to go are established in the protocol. In this trial, an interim analysis hit all primary efficacy endpoints and safety checks, as specified in the protocol. In general, this can happen after 1 month, this can happen after 1 year, it might never happen and the trial runs for the maximum time specified in the protocol. In this trial, it happened after 2 months. Nobody moved any mark. Everything went as planned, according to protocol. The "not according to plan" in the video is a blatant lie.

We lost any ability to track longevity. It depends on what you mean by "track longevity". As far as estimation of efficacy is concerned: yes, that ended when the trial was unblinded. But as I said above, when they stopped the trial the evidence was beyond any reasonable doubt that the vaccine was effective. The safety monitoring of course is still is ongoing.

And lo and behold, one of the biggest problems we have today is the vaccine waning.I would argue the biggest issue right now is that omicron is a completely new serotype, which means it is a variant with a different set of antigens. So the standard vaccines do little if anything to prevent transmission. Yes, the antibodies are waning over time, but that has nothing to do with this trial per se. The vaccines still keep you out of the hospital (and preliminary data seem to indicate especially so if you have received a booster shot; and no, I am not a pharma guy).

Let's not mention long term side effects.There is a common misconception what "long term side effects" means. Yes, there can be long term side effects. But is not going to be that in 10 years all of a sudden pandemonium starts among a large proportion of the vaccinated. The long term side effects we are concerned about are the really severe ones that are rare. Long term means you have to be monitoring for a long time so you observe enough of these rare events to be able to link them to the vaccine.

But this is where it gets ugly and sinister. We allowed Pfizer to grade their own test. Granted, that's normal. But the FDA and CDC were waiting with their rubber stamp. The reality: they got a 100% on those first 10 questions but boy, they sure didn't earn a perfect score.See above, this is not true. There is no way any trial is going to stop early unless the DSMB is 100% behind it. And the NEJM report went through an additional set of independent hands. I agree that the CDC and FDA were probably very happy to put their stamp of approval onto this, but given the clean outcome of the trial, that was not a difficult decision to make.

I'm ashamed to admit to being a numbers nerd. LOL. Again, I don't disagree with much of what was said. Both RRR and ARR are valid metrics. And you were very effective in summarizing their worth. But what I strongly object to is selling RRR as efficacy. Or even the false definition spread about efficacy. Use your example. If that old lady got a flier saying you are 95% more likely to stay free of covid if you take this shot, would she? Because that's what happened to the masses. And that is not at all accurate. So I suppose my beef is more with the marketing vs the actual math. Here again, I blame CDC and FDA as much as I blame Pfizer. And I blame our policy makers even more. They put the politics over science anf clarity.
Good for you! I think we are walking in lock step about our assessment of the piss poor communication that took place throughout the pandemic, and the CDC to the day proudly carries that torch. Now to your point: I fully agree that most people including the elderly lady when asked would interpret efficacy incorrectly. My point was that despite what the CCCA wants you to believe, the ARR is even harder to correctly interpret in this particular context. The ARR changes when you run the trial longer or shorter (see previous post). The ARR changes when you run the trial for the same time but at a different point in time (because the prevalence of the virus will have changed). The ARR changes if you run the trial in a different population (healthier populations have a better chance of fighting of infections). So to correctly interpret the ARR in the context of a clinical trial, you would have to list all conditions that could affect the endpoint, and I would argue the vast majority of such conditions aren't even known to us (think genetics). The ARR is not a fixed number, unless you can specify all these conditions. And even then, it is not generalizable going forward. The RRR is the same in all of those settings, because the conditions (known or unknown) are the same in the treatment and placebo arm through randomization, and that stuff (disclaimer: typically) cancels when you calculate relative measurements. So yes, we should do a much better job of explaining what all of this means, but if you can't convey to grandma what the RRR means, zero chance you can convey what the ARR really means in this context. Again, medical decision making is a totally different story.

But I would also argue that often you don't have to be an expert to keep up, a little bit of critical thinking can go a long way. For example, let's assume you are watching the CCCA video, and they fully convince you that the FDA said you should always report the ARR and not the RRR, because the ARR is less misleading and more objective. Fine. But two minutes later, literally two minutes later after kicking up all this dust, the CCCA decries a 300% increase in adverse events comparing the vaccine to the placebo group. That number, my man, is a relative rate change. And at that point a little light bulb should go on - "wait a minute, didn't they just say you should always. . . ? " And if the CCCA hasn't lulled you, I think you would come to the conclusion that these CCCA people are either a bunch of hacks, or that they are trying to do a number on you. Or both.

JjBee62

01-11-22, 20:59

First, allow me to say kudos on a well thought out response. I would agree with most of your points and disagree with a few.

I could not disagree more. As I said earlier in the thread, this was arguably the most important human trials of our lifetime. You contradict yourself when you say everything went as planned. And then detail how they moved the mark. It's like a 100-question exam. If you answer the first 10 questions correctly, you can stop there and claim a perfect score? I concede there is an ethical argument that can be made. (I don't necessarily agree with it on balance.) But to pull the plug 2 months in because you like the early results? That's borderline unethical. We lost any ability to track longevity. And lo and behold, one of the biggest problems we have today is the vaccine waning. Let's not mention long term side effects. But this is where it gets ugly and sinister. We allowed Pfizer to grade their own test. Granted, that's normal. But the FDA and CDC were waiting with their rubber stamp. The reality: they got a 100% on those first 10 questions but boy, they sure didn't earn a perfect score.Weren't you earlier complaining about using analogies? Your 100 question exam is a false equivalence. You really should learn about logical fallacies. A better analogy would be an exam with a time limit, such as IQ and Aptitude tests. Once you've answered all the questions, the time remaining is no longer important. You can hand in your paper and find out your score.

It wasn't the most important human trial in our lifetime. Whoever put that idea in your head is a fool. Take for example a study to determine if cigarette smoking has associated health risks? Would you put all your faith in the study if it was completely funded by a tobacco company, using tobacco company employees? A Pfizer study on a Pfizer vaccine? If they had continued the study for 30 years, one of your complaints would still be that the study was conducted by Pfizer, so it must be tainted.

Long term efficacy wasn't part of the study. It was released very early that how long the vaccine would be effective was unknown. Studies are continuing to determine how much efficacy wanes over time. This is nothing new. Polio vaccine efficacy wanes over time. The minimum schedule requires 3 doses, some countries use more. Tetanus, TB, Pneumonia, etc, all lose effectiveness over time. We didn't lose the ability to track longevity. Those studies are continuing around the world, every day, by researchers unaffiliated with Pfizer.

As I've stated before, and which can be easily verified, long term side effects aren't an issue with vaccines. You keep repeating that nonsense and it's downright silly. It's like drinking a glass of water. If there's something bad in the water it will make you sick, within a matter of hours, days at the most. Unless you continue drinking water from the same source, long term side effects aren't an issue. Even if long term side effects were an issue, many things take decades to show up, such as liver damage or kidney failure. Do you wait 20 years to release a vaccine? It would be completely worthless.
I'm ashamed to admit to being a numbers nerd. LOL. Again, I don't disagree with much of what was said. Both RRR and ARR are valid metrics. And you were very effective in summarizing their worth. But what I strongly object to is selling RRR as efficacy. Or even the false definition spread about efficacy. Use your example. If that old lady got a flier saying you are 95% more likely to stay free of covid if you take this shot, would she? Because that's what happened to the masses. And that is not at all accurate. So I suppose my beef is more with the marketing vs the actual math. Here again, I blame CDC and FDA as much as I blame Pfizer. And I blame our policy makers even more. They put the politics over science anf clarity.

I'll agree to disagree with you on these points. But I appreciate the dialogue.Assuming you're a numbers nerd, why didn't you pick up that the CCCA video was using numbers from 7 days into the study, instead of the numbers at the end of the study?

The only people saying the Pfizer vaccine is 95% effective are the people who are beating their anti-vax drums saying that Pfizer lied. However, Pfizer didn't lie. Their preliminary finding was up to, or as much as 95% protection. Their completed study lowered that to up to 91% protection. You call it a marketing ploy, I call it common sense.

First, as I've already pointed out too many times, you will never know the absolute risk. Never. Not now, not in 2 years, not in 100 years. The only way to know is to take a large population of people, expose them all to the virus, then count how many test positive. Then you withhold medical treatment and see how many get seriously ill and eventually count how many die. It's the same basic method the US used to determine the effects of radiation exposure. It's not exactly ethical, but it does give you accurate results.

If you don't know the absolute risk, you have to work with what you have. Placebo group had 850 infections, vaccine group 77. Assuming both groups had equal random exposure to infection, it's simple math, 77÷850=0. 09, or 9%, a 91% reduction. Surely a numbers nerd spotted that. If they knew everyone in both groups had been exposed, with identical exposure, then ARR comes into play, but nobody knows that. So it's as much as 91%.

Is it safe to assume the other 42 k people in the study had natural immunity to Covid? Not unless you exposed them all to the virus, which I've already covered. Do you publish that, since under 1,000 of 43,000 people got infected during the study, the chance of getting infected is only 2. 3%? Not if you are being ethical. Which leaves the ethical and common sense result, up to 91%.

As I said, what you call marketing, I call common sense. Let's say Pfizer went with your understanding of the issue and they let you use the cherry picked data from the 7 day point. That leaves Pfizer telling people their risk of Covid is only 0. 88%. Assuming the other vaccine manufacturers followed along, we have everyone informed that almost nobody is getting Covid. Using your ARR which you keep insisting on, it's impossible for more than 300,000 people in the US to get Covid (for the numbers nerd, 330,000,000×0. 88=290,400).

That might just cause some confusion. How could we have 61 million cases and over 800 k deaths when that critical ARR clearly states that only 290 k could ever possibly test positive? Numbers nerd time again, that brings US deaths down to 5808. Sure, still using your ARR, the vaccine will cut the total number of cases from 290 k to 13 k, but is it worth it, when there are less than 6 k deaths?

Along comes common sense to save the day. The Absolute Risk isn't 0. 88%. Everyone knows that. ARR isn't critical. Almost everyone knows that. Does the vaccine reduce your risk of becoming infected? Yes. Are you going to need a booster dose? Probably. Will you need a 4th dose? Possibly. Does the vaccine reduce your risk of dying from Covid, if you get infected? Yes. Does it reduce your risk of hospitalization if you become infected? Again the answer is yes. Should you personally get vaccinated? Go talk to your doctor.

Which leaves Pfizer with the choice of lying about Covid and saying almost nobody is getting sick or dying (your preference) or telling people that their vaccine is an effective alternative to getting sick and dying (my preference).

"Agree to disagree" is one of the stupidest cliches out there. It works fine when discussing restaurants, or girls. It works fine when comparing mongering destinations. It becomes completely useless when discussing anything objective.

One more example, I'll make it relevant. You're getting ready to start a short trip to Medellin? You've voiced concerns over getting stuck there with a positive Covid test? I pointed out, arriving tomorrow, getting tested on Saturday and returning to the US on Sunday carries a low risk of testing positive. However, I left one important thing out.

So let's agree to disagree on how important that 0. 88% Absolute Risk number from the CCCA video is. I say it's not only useless, it's ridiculously low, especially with the current spread of omicron. You say that only 0. 88% of the population is susceptible to Covid. Since you're vaccinated, your AR is a dismal 0. 04%.

So there's absolutely no need to worry about what I forgot to mention. Enjoy your trip!

Mr Enternational

01-11-22, 21:44

JjBee62

01-12-22, 01:09

We are all dead. Have fun while you can.

"Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said 75% of vaccinated people who died of COVID-19 had at least four comorbidities, sparking an outpouring of commentary from people surprised by her statement and others saying, "I told you so. ".

The top health official made the comment on ABC's Good Morning America on Friday, days after Dr. Anthony Fauci said on TV that statistics on child hospitalizations are being overblown..I'm pretty sure I posted that already. Having 4 or more comorbidities puts you at a high risk for anything which stresses your system. No vaccine can change that. The fact that 75% of vaccinated deaths were in that category isn't extremely useful.

What's more useful is the percentage of deaths which were fully vaccinated, or the unvaccinated percentage.

This link has interactive graphs and country by country breakdowns, making it easy to visualize the data.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

For the US fully vaccinated death rate (all vaccines) for all age groups was 0. 54 per 100,000 (Oct 30,2021). That number jumps to 5. 53 when you consider just people 80 and older. Unvaccinated for all ages was 3.47, 28.70 for 80 and up.

Looking at my age range, 50-64 the fully vaccinated death rate is 0.20 per 100 k, compared to 5.25 for unvaccinated.

Drop down to the 30-49 age range you get vaccinated 0.03, unvaccinated 1.20.

Only the 12-17 age group shows no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated.

To put it another way, vaccination prevents death in:

1.O% of cases for people 12-17.

2.94% of cases for people 18-29.

3.96% of cases for people 30-49.

4.96% of cases for people 50-64.

5.95% of cases for people 65-79.

6.81% of cases for people 80 or older.

If you're under 18, getting vaccinated has minimal personal benefit. You might be less likely to get infected and infect others, but there's no real impact on your survival. If you're over 80 and have at least a couple of other risk factors, your personal benefit might not be significant. At 95, obese, with high blood pressure and diabetes, your life expectancy probably isn't changing much with vaccination.

If you're under 80, or over 80 and in good health, well the data is readily available.

JjBee62

01-12-22, 03:17

CL, what is frustrating to me is that it is the number of droplets that cause disease, and the government has just emphasized the mask when that is a small part of the whole picture. Yeah, N95 probably works better than cloth. I think both are helpful though. Thing is that it is just not masks but length of time with someone and talking to them and also the force of the particles expired so more with singing, laughing, coughing, or the force of someone's voice. The goal is to limit the exposure of those particles.

And handwashing was a complete joke. Social distancing was pretty arbitrary as well.You started off very well. Your first paragraph sums up the problem pretty well. Your second paragraph went downhill somewhat.

The hand washing did turn out to not be a significant factor. However, the proper response is to be more cautious, rather than less cautious. If you have people washing their hands more than necessary, worst case, you have some dry skin. Very few people are going to complain that your hands are too clean.

Social distancing is another story. "The goal is to limit exposure to those particles. " One way to limit exposure is social distancing. It's like using the N95 instead of a regular mask, an added layer of protection.

The NFL did some great Covid studies. It was thought that you had to be present with someone for 10 minutes indoors to catch Covid from them. The NFL found that if people were talking to each other and not wearing masks, there could be transmission of the virus in as little as 5 minutes.

But like I said, you can throw that all out the window now. You have teams that are 98% vaxxed and half the team has Covid. I do not know what the time frame is with catching Covid now. It seems like it may be down to a minute or two and now the people do not look sick. Outside of doing what Paulie does and living in a bunker, I do not know how someone does not catch omicron.The NFL isn't really a level playing field. Average age is probably under 30, high level of fitness, overall a better immune system than average. However, the issues they faced, with more precautions than most take, illustrates how quickly the virus can spread.

I also don't know how anyone can avoid catching omicron. To me that's good news. By now anyone in the US, who has anything to worry about with Covid, has had ample opportunity to get vaccinated. This all comes (eventually) to an end when everyone has sufficient immunity to reduce the spread. There are 2 ways to get sufficient immunity. Omicron makes the second way much easier for everyone who hasn't chosen the first way.

JjBee62

01-12-22, 03:53

With hundreds of thousands of cases of Omicron daily, should we still have to take a covid test to re-enter the country? Hmmmmm.

Vaccines were supposed to be 95% effective. More people die in 2021 than 2020 when there were no vaccines available. Why are Vaccines mandates and Boosters are still being discussed? Why is no one talking about the false effectiveness of the vaccines? Hmmmmmmmmm.

How does China, a nation of 1.3 billion people, not have more cases of Omicron? Hmmmmm.

The answers to these questions seem like common sense to me, but half the country will cry murder if I were to state my opinion publicly. Hmmmmmm. Freedom of speech? Hmmmmm. LOL let the name calling and slandering begin! Jaja.Why do you still have to take a Covid test to enter? Because that's the rule that's currently in place. Does it do anything? Who knows? Does the law against removing mattress tags serve any purpose?

Vaccines weren't supposed to be 95% effective. Initial data showed up to 95% effectiveness. Later data lowered that number. Further studies are showing that effectiveness decreases over time, hence the reason for boosters.

More people died in 2021 than in 2020? True. Can you think of any reason why? I can think of a few. First, there were very few known cases in the US, or anywhere outside of a small area in China, until March of 2020. However, at the beginning of 2021 there were 200,000 new cases per day in the US. There's 2 reasons, a shorter effective year and a much lower starting point for 2020.

There are other factors, but the easiest way to look at it is to look at the number of those deaths which were unvaccinated for each year. For 2020 100% of the deaths (or nearly) were unvaccinated. In 2021 roughly 84% of the deaths were unvaccinated. The vaccine doesn't keep anyone from dying, if they don't get vaccinated.

I think you're overestimating your own importance. You can say anything you want about Covid, vaccines or anything else and at least 99.9% won't even know you said anything at all. Certainly half the country isn't going to cry murder.

Don't you understand freedom of speech? Your right to say whatever you want, with some fairly specific limitations, is protected. However, if you say something stupid anyone who notices has the protected right to point it out to you.

JohnnyWalker55

01-12-22, 03:57

Another excellent example of not knowing what you're talking about.

Paulie and I had a big public, knock down fight right here over 3 years ago. It might have been the reason this thread was started. We haven't really talked since then. We're not sidekicks, friends or buddies.

Here's something you might understand when you reach emotional maturity. I agree or disagree with what is posted. It doesn't matter who posted it. Bullshit (for example, declaring the pandemic is over) is bullshit, regardless of the source. Good advice is good advice regardless of the source.

As for the rest of what you agreed with, I suggest you go read the other threads. There have been a few people over the years who might have agreed with me at one time or another.Oops, sorry, I have a life and don't spend every waking minute on this board typing out non-sensical solipsistic essays and giving input on anything and everything related to Colombia.

I keep it short and sweet and 95% of my posts are otg reports with the other 5% are laughing my ass off replying to you paulie and villainy in this silly thread. Peace.

JjBee62

01-12-22, 05:22

Oops, sorry, I have a life and don't spend every waking minute on this board typing out non-sensical solipsistic essays and giving input on anything and everything related to Colombia.

I keep it short and sweet and 95% of my posts are otg reports with the other 5% are laughing my ass off replying to you paulie and villainy in this silly thread. Peace.Everyone has their own way. Some guys go to Veracruz, some go to the casas, some go to Gusto. Which is the right way? Some guys never post OTG reports, some post every single encounter, some seldom post reports, but answer questions and give useful information. Which is the right way?

Is giving input, answering questions and helping out others a bad thing? You do it, on a pretty wide variety of subjects. Why is bad when I do it?

It takes all the different styles to make ISG work. I think most people understand that.

Elvis 2008

01-12-22, 05:36

Didn't you notice that Elvis was not really saying vaccine does not work, although that may seem what he was saying, but based on the reply, I think he was saying virus is evolving faster than vaccine development.Yeah, that is exactly right. The virus is evolving faster than the vaccine. If you have been vaccinated 180 days ago, you have no protection against omicron. If you get triple vaxxed, you have like 25% protection for 90 days. Unless you have a rare immune issue, I do not see why anyone would get triple vaxxed because omicron is so mild. There are some people saying the more you get vaxxed now the more likely you are get to infected.

Pfizer and Moderna have omicron vaccines in the works but they will not be available until March and omicron will probably be gone by then.

JjBee62

01-12-22, 05:55

Nice insult but you did not answer the question. What have you been doing the last 2 years since the pandemic began? All I hear from you is your criticizing anyone else while talking nothing about yourself. Mr. E has been travelling so has JJBee, JustTK, Nounce but you have been mum. I repeat, what have YOU been doing?Heaven forbid I stand up for Paulie, but in the past 5 years he has very rarely posted trip reports. For a few years, I don't think he posted once, although he was certainly in Medellin more than once during that time. Most of his posts, except on this thread have been a response to someone else.

While it's certainly possible he hasn't traveled during the pandemic, you really can't go off of what he's posted to determine whether he's left home or not.

Even if he has stayed home, I'm sure he's not the only one. Everyone has their own tolerance for risk and it's not limited to the pandemic. There are plenty of guys here who won't go to El Centro. Whether it's a real or imagined risk, it's not one they are willing to take.

I'll throw myself under the bus on this subject. Originally I was hoping to get back to Colombia this spring. That was my plan until a few months ago. However, now I'm uncertain. After vax, plus booster, plus Covid (Alpha or Delta), I'm confident that if I get infected again, it won't be serious (confident doesn't mean I'm right, just that it's not a worry). The risk of getting Covid doesn't bother me, but the risk of another quarantine gives me pause.

Fortunately, I have options. Traveling domestically removes the quarantine risk and my girlfriend* has her visa. She would happily come here, at my expense, to play tourist for a few weeks. The downside is I'll be limited to one girl, and I won't get to decompress like I do in Medellin. It will also be more expensive. On the plus side, it's been over 20 years since I've played tourist in the US.

Elvis 2008

01-12-22, 06:02

We are all dead. Have fun while you can.

"Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said 75% of vaccinated people who died of COVID-19 had at least four comorbidities, sparking an outpouring of commentary from people surprised by her statement and others saying, "I told you so. ".

The top health official made the comment on ABC's Good Morning America on Friday, days after Dr. Anthony Fauci said on TV that statistics on child hospitalizations are being overblown..Yeah, these CDC assholes have been having a hard time these days. I have lost track of the quarantine times: 5 days for health care workers, 10 for everyone else and 14 for travelers and who needs to be tested prior to travelling or going back to work? In the mean time, omicron is so mild you have people out doing whatever they want when they could be working and teachers in Chicago saying they will only do remote because they are afraid for their lives. I cannot imagine how many pressure they are under now with everyone screaming at them. I almost feel sorry for these CDC bastards. Almost.

Thing is the CDC was overcounting deaths and hospitalization to scare everyone. Then when they used the same methodology and the numbers were like a million cases a day (and it looked like nothing they did was working), the CDC is now changing the methodology to undercount. This is not science; it is fucking politics.

Still, the CDC director is shilling for vaccines, but her days are numbered. She did not agree with Lord Fauci on the triple vaccination being "fully vaccinated", and she was right to do it, but she is going to be axed.

This is a good link as to why she is gone and why so few people should get triple vaxxed: https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/vaccine-effectiveness-goes-down-the.

And the vaccine is so political. The data shows the vaccine worked great against the first two waves, so-so against the third, and does jack shit for this one. But how many people have been following the data in real time?

I have not reviewed the data, but Dr. Malone said much the same thing on Joe Rogan as this guy did: https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-study-shows-vaccines-must-be.

"The numbers in the Denmark study described below are now confirmed by government data from Germany showing that vaccinated people are 8 X more likely to develop Omicron than unvaccinated people. This is not surprising since a paper from Germany showed the same thing: the more you vaccinate, the worse it gets.

Worried about Omicron? Guess what? After 90 days, the vaccine they gave you is going to make you more likely to get infected from Omicron, not less."

If this is right, and Fauci, Collins, and Walensky had any honor, they should take a hint from the Japanese and commit seppuku.

MarquisdeSade1

01-12-22, 06:07

Elvis 2008

01-12-22, 06:07

Enjoy your basements gentlemen. Excuse me as I head out to enjoy this fine Cancun day.LOL. I will be there next week. My passport's pages are all filled up and no one is doing Express. I was going to have wait 8 weeks for a new one or scratch and claw and get an appointment at a passport agency. I got one in El Paso on Thursday thank God!

It is a four hour drive from Cancun, but I hope my gal and I have the time to see the lake of seven colors, lake Bacalar: https://www.google.com/search?q=lake+bacalar&rls=ig&sxsrf=AOaemvIN5 XlPdJK3 MKaOcH3 a__i5 J58 KWw:1641963902047&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2 ahUKEwjgwvWYuKv1 AhXSmmoFHVMWCtAQ_AUoAnoECAIQBA&biw=1280&bih=577&dpr=1. 5.

Hope the seaweed is not that bad where you are!

CrowExplorer

01-12-22, 09:12

That is why I say for me freedom is a collective right. Just follow rules and move on. What I am trying to say in my post is that the debate here or issue like this in general is not a science one, not the type of science being discussed here. You won't get very far at this point if you only focus on numbers or medical science alone. I couldn't disagree with you more on freedom being a "collective right". Fuck that.

As far as debate not being about medical science, I agree. This is more of a social science.

I've seen a lot in the past two years, people clinging to dogmas, afraid to voice an opinion that goes against the consensus.

These are not good things, and definitely not my idea of freedom.

Paulie97

01-12-22, 09:43

Oops, sorry, I have a life and don't spend every waking minute on this board typing out non-sensical solipsistic essaysSolipsistic? It looks as though the Botero Plaza barfly found a bottle of Aguarente and a thesaurus, what an odd convergence. Yet you've backed yourself into another pot calling the kettle black corner. Oh well. Even an ape can come up with brilliance if he hammers a keyboard long enough. Wink.

Paulie97

01-12-22, 10:12

Another excellent example of not knowing what you're talking about.

Paulie and I had a big public, knock down fight right here over 3 years ago. It might have been the reason this thread was started. We haven't really talked since then. We're not sidekicks, friends or buddies.

Here's something you might understand when you reach emotional maturity. I agree or disagree with what is posted. It doesn't matter who posted it. Bullshit (for example, declaring the pandemic is over) is bullshit, regardless of the source. Good advice is good advice regardless of the source.

As for the rest of what you agreed with, I suggest you go read the other threads. There have been a few people over the years who might have agreed with me at one time or another.I've met JBee62 on at least three occasions. I call him an overall good guy with high mental aptitude and a gift for analogies. That said I've often disagreed with him, especially on mongering issues though his Covid analysis has been very useful and well sourced.

P.S. What about all the guys that refuse to meet up with anyone here? I speak of Elvira, The Marquis de Twat, Just TK, or Shoo Swede? I mean we shouldn't expect anyone to go searching mothers' basements in England, Sweden, or even the USA should we? Colombia should be the point of contact right? Anyone met them? Just asking and thanks. Winks.

Elvis 2008

01-12-22, 18:47

I've met JBee62 on at least three occasions. I call him an overall good guy with high mental aptitude and a gift for analogies. That said I've often disagreed with him, especially on mongering issues though his Covid analysis has been very useful and well sourced.I know you have been in Medellin the last 5 years. I was asking about the last two, and you have pulled a Democratic douche move and did not answer the question. So you have been sitting in your bunker watching MSNBC the whole time acting like you are a damned expert. That is fine, but the rest of us, the ones who actually have to work and travel in this world do not appreciate those of you playing up the virus for political purposes.

After creating this damned virus to begin with, the government has been scaring the shit out of everyone about it. Hell, JJBee just said that Covid had a 20% admission rate. Bill Maher said that 60% of Democrats said the admission rate was 30+% or above. The actual rate of admission is 1%, and it is lower with omicron. Yeah, I have heard others talk of people dying with Covid. Know how many I have seen it myself? Zero. And I have seen dozens come in gasping for air with low oxygen levels. I am not saying there are no Covid deaths, but it is very very rare, and it sure as hell is not 900,000.

So here we go again. We have an arm chair douche like you telling us how it is while the government scares the shit out of people like you. You see douche, I may complain about mask wearing, social distancing ETC but I do it. The story about mask wearing and the supermarket, which you have taken to think I am antimask, was about government insanity. The government mandated the wearing of masks, said not to go to Mexico, but there were plenty of masks in Mexico but none in the USA where the mask mandates were.

The problem with being a bunker douche like you is that you do not get to see that most of the rules are being followed: the lockdowns, the social distancing, the mask wearing, even the vaccines, and it has not done jack shit. Case numbers are higher now than they ever have been. Even the fucking vaccine now does not work. You just watch MSNBC and CNN who have been blaming the pandemic on Republicans since day one. That makes money for them but it is not helpful for us in the real world.

But the pandemic is over. The virus has mutated to a more contagious and less potent form. It has done like all the viruses before it have done. Governments did not defeat the virus. The virus changed its form so it could live longer and not kill its hosts.

So now it is time for me to laugh. How much longer you going to be holed up? He he. I think after the 2022 midterms and the Dems lose their ass, you might peak out and see the sun. For you, the pandemic will be over when MSNBC is not shouting fear porn day and night.

And now Biden is polling negatively on the virus, but it is not even that. The passion of those fighting the vaccine mandate is a 100 X more that of those for it. My prediction is Biden will declare victory on the virus after the midterms and douches like you will emerge from your bunkers. As for Colombia, don't worry, we will keep a light on for you.

Nounce

01-12-22, 20:08

I couldn't disagree with you more on freedom being a "collective right". Fuck that....You can disagree all you wan but I don't know what you are disagreeing with. It's what I think and what I will do. I did not say you or others have to think the same way and I am not imposing my idea on you like you are trying to do on me when talking about freedom.

Villainy

01-12-22, 21:03

After creating this damned virus to begin with, the government has been scaring the shit out of everyone about it. Hell, JJBee just said that Covid had a 20% admission rate. Bill Maher said that 60% of Democrats said the admission rate was 30+% or above. The actual rate of admission is 1%, and it is lower with omicron. Yeah, I have heard others talk of people dying with Covid. Know how many I have seen it myself? Zero. And I have seen dozens come in gasping for air with low oxygen levels. I am not saying there are no Covid deaths, but it is very very rare, and it sure as hell is not 900,000.You're right the actual number (according to Worldometer is 864,000 today 1/12/2022) Does that mean there weren't a few that were mis characterized as CoVid deaths? Clearly with a number that great there have been a few that were mischaracterized. And deaths that weren't characterized as CoVid? I'm sure there have been a few of those too, that should have been.

But you think this number is greatly exaggerated in order to scare people? Why, oh I know. The Elvis analytical diarrhea strikes again. Less than 1% of the US population has died from CoVid and you don't know any of them so it must be fiction. That isn't exactly reasoning on a high level. I don't know a single person who died in the armed services of the US in any of our wars or conflicts. Does that mean it hasn't happened? Arlington National Cemetery would beg to differ.

So here we go again. We have an arm chair douche like you telling us how it is while the government scares the shit out of people like you. You see douche, I may complain about mask wearing, social distancing ETC but I do it. The story about mask wearing and the supermarket, which you have taken to think I am antimask, was about government insanity. The government mandated the wearing of masks, said not to go to Mexico, but there were plenty of masks in Mexico but none in the USA where the mask mandates were.

The problem with being a bunker douche like you is that you do not get to see that most of the rules are being followed: the lockdowns, the social distancing, the mask wearing, even the vaccines, and it has not done jack shit. Case numbers are higher now than they ever have been. Even the fucking vaccine now does not work. You just watch MSNBC and CNN who have been blaming the pandemic on Republicans since day one. That makes money for them but it is not helpful for us in the real world.BTW what is your expertise? Do you have a degree in Epidemiology? Virology? Immunology? No? Your degree is in libertarian blogs and podcasts by fellow conspiracy theorists. You have offered sage predictions that have been proven to be laughable. "No more tan 80,000 deaths. Not going to happen" but wait? We're at 864,000 and counting. You simply don't have any knowledge or idea about this virus and all your advice, predictions and analysis are just simply Elvis analytical diarrhea.

But the pandemic is over. The virus has mutated to a more contagious and less potent form. It has done like all the viruses before it have done. Governments did not defeat the virus. The virus changed its form so it could live longer and not kill its hosts.Why is it that the virus mutated? Was it because the other earlier and more lethal variants were defeated by widespread worldwide vaccinations? Don't you think that might have played a role? Oh, of course that can't have played a role because it crosses your conspiracy theory that all the government actions and vaccines didn't do anything to curb the lethal spread of the deadly initial variants. Of course you would know all about this, afterall Joe Rogan told you so. Right? Or was it some other super-knowledgeable scientist like Tucker Carlson?

So now it is time for me to laugh. How much longer you going to be holed up? We all like a good laugh. I get a good laugh at every post you make pretending to be knowledgeable when you are, simply, alergic to analytical rigor and statistics. I laugh when you quote blogs without sources or libertarian podcasters. Instead you could google other sources like The Mayo Clinic or Johns Hopkins or The Cleveland Clinic or any of a dozen other reputable sources. They don't always agree about everything but they sure as hell have peope with real expertise expressing opinions and not the political hacks you love to listen to.

MarquisdeSade1

01-12-22, 21:39

LOL. I will be there next week. My passport's pages are all filled up and no one is doing Express. I was going to have wait 8 weeks for a new one or scratch and claw and get an appointment at a passport agency. I got one in El Paso on Thursday thank God!

It is a four hour drive from Cancun, but I hope my gal and I have the time to see the lake of seven colors, lake Bacalar: https://www.google.com/search?q=lake+bacalar&rls=ig&sxsrf=AOaemvIN5 XlPdJK3 MKaOcH3 a__i5 J58 KWw:1641963902047&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2 ahUKEwjgwvWYuKv1 AhXSmmoFHVMWCtAQ_AUoAnoECAIQBA&biw=1280&bih=577&dpr=1. 5.

Hope the seaweed is not that bad where you are!https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/12/magazine/sex-old-age.html

Paulie97

01-12-22, 23:39

SawZonaNorte

01-13-22, 04:13

The problem with being a bunker douche like you is that you do not get to see that most of the rules are being followed: the lockdowns, the social distancing, the mask wearing, even the vaccines, and it has not done jack shit. Case numbers are higher now than they ever have been.ROFL.

Is 'Elvis' still habitually this stupid?

He should take a math class sometime.

Case numbers are supposed to be "higher than they've ever been" at this point. Does this clown not understand the word "exponential" ?

Nobody ever said or expected those steps to "end the pandemic".

Mental midgets like Elvis can't even comprehend the fact that the only numbers one can appropriately compare to today's Covid numbers are those which would be in place had there been no preventive steps taken.

The most vivid element of the entire pandemic hasn't even approached yet. As that will occur when it tears through Africa at a pace even Elvis's shallow mind has yet to even consider.

The entire pandemic, to date, has been distributed as a function of wealth, freedom, and desirability as a place to visit.

Most of Africa has zero of those so they've known just a glancing blow so far, with the exception of South Africa, which has more of all three factors.

People in Africa don't just leap into their Land Rovers and drive across the continent to Sturgis or the African equivalent of same to spread their Covid cheer.

It seems Elvis should head back to Burger King. Ideally one in Kinshasa, waiting for the real Covid pandemic to strike him.

Hope they serve Elvis's favorite Kool Aid at the BK in Kinshasa. Though obviously he won't likely be thirsty for a good, long while.

Elvis 2008

01-13-22, 05:00

Case numbers are supposed to be "higher than they've ever been" at this point. Does this clown not understand the word "exponential" ? Yeah, douche, they are higher now than ever.

Nobody ever said or expected those steps to "end the pandemic".But, but, but Biden had a plan to end the pandemic. You are saying he lied? OMG. I am shocked, shocked.

Mental midgets like Elvis can't even comprehend the fact that the only numbers one can appropriately compare to today's Covid numbers are those which would be in place had there been no preventive steps taken.LOL. I even predicted that you douches would say. Can you imagine if we did nothing? Yeah, I can. We would have the same number of cases and not destroyed the world economy. That is why I was preaching that we should imitate what Sweden was doing.

The most vivid element of the entire pandemic hasn't even approached yet. As that will occur when it tears through Africa at a pace even Elvis's shallow mind has yet to even consider.It is only central Africa that has been spared and if you knew why, you would not be making such a claim. What strain is going to hit them and do them in?

People in Africa don't just leap into their Land Rovers and drive across the continent to Sturgis or the African equivalent of same to spread their Covid cheer.LOL. Which people in Africa? It is kind of a big continent you moron.

It seems Elvis should head back to Burger King. Ideally one in Kinshasa, waiting for the real Covid pandemic to strike him.

Hope they serve Elvis's favorite Kool Aid at the BK in Kinshasa. Though obviously he won't likely be thirsty for a good, long while.Congratulations, you have just written THE stupidest post on covid I have ever read. You are on ignore.

Elvis 2008

01-13-22, 05:38

You're right the actual number (according to Worldometer is 864,000 today 1/12/2022) Does that mean there weren't a few that were mis characterized as CoVid deaths? Clearly with a number that great there have been a few that were mischaracterized. And deaths that weren't characterized as CoVid? I'm sure there have been a few of those too, that should have been.I saw Paulie smugly quoted this and the truth is I should put both of you douches on ignore. You are too stupid to get what I was talking about so I will explain it once. As Mr. E posted today, "75% of vaccinated people who died of COVID-19 had at least four comorbidities."

Do you have any idea why she did that? Of course not, you are a douche and only exist to suck government dick and not think.

Right now, there are more + Covid cases than ever before. If someone gets in a car wreck and his head is cut off and he tested + for Covid, that counts as a Covid death, so there is going to be an explosion of deaths now. The CDC is trying to back off that number because it is going to explode and it directly conflicts with what Dr. Malone said about there being zero omicron deaths. Of course, you douches only watch CNN and MSNBC but 10 million people watch Joe Rogan's podcast and Dr. Malone was one of his most popular guests, and the informed people unlike you are seeing how full of shit the CDC really is.

"No more tan 80,000 deaths. Not going to happen" but wait? We're at 864,000 and counting. You simply don't have any knowledge or idea about this virus and all your advice, predictions and analysis are just simply Elvis analytical diarrhea.Sorry, douche, but you do not what the fuck you are talking about. Do you know how many pure Covid deaths there were in Italy when the Italians took out co-morbidities? "2. 9% presented with no comorbidities and 97.1% had one or more condition listed aside from COVID-19, such as ischemic heart disease, heart failure, type-2 diabetes, obesity or autoimmune disease (see Table 1 here)."

So you are being an arrogant douche in thinking that the 80,000 number has been exceeded. Tell me douche, how do you determine a heart attack, stroke, or pulmonary embolism was due to Covid or not?

If you are the CDC, you say, "Ah fuck it, we will say they are all due to Covid." and a douche like you says "Sounds smart to me."

What the CDC was trying to say today, and you were too dense to get it, was "not all those Covid deaths were due to Covid."

Yeah, I know. You do not give a fuck about people dying, the government lying or anything else. All you care about is that your government checks keep rolling in. That is why you are a worthless illogical POS. You are too stupid to know what data can be trusted and what cannot and you are back on ignore. My goal in life is to be smart as you think you are.

ShooBree

01-13-22, 07:04

ROFL.

Is 'Elvis' still habitually this stupid?

He should take a math class sometime.

Case numbers are supposed to be "higher than they've ever been" at this point. Does this clown not understand the word "exponential" ?

Nobody ever said or expected those steps to "end the pandemic".

Mental midgets like Elvis can't even comprehend the fact that the only numbers one can appropriately compare to today's Covid numbers are those which would be in place had there been no preventive steps taken.

The most vivid element of the entire pandemic hasn't even approached yet. As that will occur when it tears through Africa at a pace even Elvis's shallow mind has yet to even consider.

The entire pandemic, to date, has been distributed as a function of wealth, freedom, and desirability as a place to visit.Yawn, imagine if it existed a country with less restrictions. Think little boy, think!

LMFAO!

ShooBree

01-13-22, 07:07

An outstanding Elvira beatdown.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj7WjLtquVM&t=44sYou're incredibly funny, calling someone a girls name. You really should be a stand-up comedian.

ShooBree

01-13-22, 07:25

Lou32

01-13-22, 12:26

I had this experience end of June, in Bogota, not Medellin. Spending the time in quarantine was pretty easy. I was quite sick, barely left the bed and ate very little. During the time when I wasn't sleeping I watched Netflix.

If you test positive, you don't need to wait for a negative test. Delta told me I had to wait 10 days after the positive test before I could fly. I ended up waiting 14. Once I recovered I had a doctor come to my hotel, who gave me a checkup and wrote out a Certificate of Recovery.

The problem is, after catching Covid it's possible to test positive for up to 90 days.

Once I was recovered and cleared, I had 2 girls from Medellin come and spend my last 2 days with me.Thanks for the info and sorry you felt sick but I was wondering about if you feel fine and are just stuck.

Specifically if you can still call girls in and they are willing to risk it. If one were actually symptomatic then no girls but if the hotel or security desk found out you were positive and seeing people.

JustTK

01-13-22, 13:27

Case numbers are supposed to be "higher than they've ever been" at this point. Does this clown not understand the word "exponential" ?
Exponential applies when a series goes rapidly upwards. It has nothing to do with this covid experience of a series of waves.

Nobody ever said or expected those steps to "end the pandemic".
Yes they did. Almost everyone on the pro-vax side has said that.

The most vivid element of the entire pandemic hasn't even approached yet. As that will occur when it tears through Africa at a pace even Elvis's shallow mind has yet to even consider.
Thats pure conjecture as has zero evidence to support it happening.

People in Africa don't just leap into their Land Rovers and drive across the continent to Sturgis or the African equivalent of same to spread their Covid cheer.
People in Africa don't live to 80 years old, propped up by stients, triple heart by passes, diabetes and cancer treatments. They are already dead. The living population is much younger and free from potential comorbidities (apart from poor diet). It is also a more rural lifestyle (less dense populations). COVID will never rip thru Africa as it did in the wealthy, old and frail countries in the West.

PedroMorales

01-13-22, 16:25

People in Africa don't live to 80 years old, propped up by stients, triple heart by passes, diabetes and cancer treatments. They are already dead. The living population is much younger and free from potential comorbidities (apart from poor diet). It is also a more rural lifestyle (less dense populations). COVID will never rip thru Africa as it did in the wealthy, old and frail countries in the West.It also tore through Iran and I have seen no in depth analysis as to why that happened. (Omicron was a damp squib).

Zeos1

01-13-22, 16:41

JjBee62

01-13-22, 17:18

Thanks for the info and sorry you felt sick but I was wondering about if you feel fine and are just stuck.

Specifically if you can still call girls in and they are willing to risk it. If one were actually symptomatic then no girls but if the hotel or security desk found out you were positive and seeing people.I personally couldn't do it. As soon as I began to suspect what was dragging me down was Covid, I checked out of my apartment a day early, cancelled a date with a non-pro, got in my rental car and drove from Medellin to Bogota, to avoid being around anyone. After I turned in my rental car, I headed to get tested. Once I received the positive results, I started informing everyone, the hotel, the people I'd spent time with in Medellin, the airline and my employer.

When one girl reported symptoms, I warned her to get tested and isolate, especially to stay away from her mother and grandmother. Fortunately, it stopped with her and her symptoms were mild.

If you're quarantining and isolating, it defeats the purpose of quarantining and isolating if you're having girls come to visit.

MarquisdeSade1

01-13-22, 17:56

JjBee62

01-13-22, 19:09

Exponential applies when a series goes rapidly upwards. It has nothing to do with this covid experience of a series of waves.

Yes they did. Almost everyone on the pro-vax side has said that.

Thats pure conjecture as has zero evidence to support it happening.

People in Africa don't live to 80 years old, propped up by stients, triple heart by passes, diabetes and cancer treatments. They are already dead. The living population is much younger and free from potential comorbidities (apart from poor diet). It is also a more rural lifestyle (less dense populations). COVID will never rip thru Africa as it did in the wealthy, old and frail countries in the West.Glad to see you're still working hard to be completely wrong about almost everything. Such dedication is admirable, not as admirable as dedication to not being an idiot, but at least you've committed to it.

Exponential doesn't strictly apply when a series goes rapidly upward. If the rate of growth is unchanging, exponential doesn't apply. Exponential applies when the rate of change continues to change, like with a wave. Like with a wave of Covid.

Nobody on the pro-vax side (good to see you've again contradicted your "I'm not anti-vax" claim by pointing out you're anti-vax) said the vaccine was the single, final solution to the pandemic. On the stupidity scale, you're overachieving here. Each of the steps taken (if you weren't such a complete useless fool, you would remember this) are part of "flattening the curve. " The shutdowns, the social distancing, the masks, the testing and the vaccinations, combined with time, when properly carried out, slow down the spread, reduce the number of new variants. Eventually, that brings the pandemic to an end. The "pro-vax" side realizes, mostly through the efforts of dishonest pigs like you, that just having a vaccine, or putting on a mask, doesn't end the pandemic.

Actually there is plenty of evidence to support it happening, recent history provides plenty of evidence. For example, in just the last month Colombia has gone from under 2,000 new cases per day to over 25,000, a fine example of exponential growth.

Life expectancy in Africa runs from a low of 54 to over 77 years. While the average African doesn't live over 80 (which is only the case in 39 countries), there are people in Africa who live past 80.

It gets better. India, Nigeria and the DR of Congo are home to 90% of the people with sickle cell disease (comorbidity). All of Africa has a higher prevalence of Chronic Kidney Disease (comorbidity) than the global average. Chronic Lung Disease (comorbidity) is especially concerning in developing countries, like most of the countries in Africa. Chronic Liver Disease (comorbidity), African countries rank very high on the list, and hold the top 3 spots. At least a few African countries, particularly the most populous one, Nigeria has a higher rate of diabetes (comorbidity) than the US. HIV (comorbidity) rates are higher in Africa than anywhere else in the world. Heart Disease (comorbidity) most of Africa has a much higher prevalence than the US. Tuberculosis (comorbidity) Africa wins again. Even the dreaded western affliction, Obesity (comorbidity) affects over 20% of the population in Algeria, Nigeria and Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia and South Africa.

Completely as expected your "free of comorbidities" remark is complete bullshit. By the way, what is the vegan position on using animal products, such as bullshit?

One last item on the JustTK's "Let me show you how fucking stupid I am" list, population density.

Population density of Africa is 50% higher than North America. Africa has the highest population growth of any continent in the world and is expected to account for half of all births between 2020 and 2050.

Not done yet. Population density is only one factor. Take Taiwan, high population density (673 per km²), less than 0. 08% of the population has had Covid. On the other hand, Colombia, a low population density country (46 per km²) has had over 10% of the population infected. To put it another way, Taiwan, population 25 million has had fewer than 20,000 Covid cases. Colombia, population 50 million has had 5. 4 million Covid cases.

Access to healthcare is another factor. How does most of Africa rank on healthcare access compared to those big, bad western countries?

It's unlikely we'll ever know how hard most of Africa has been or will be hit by Covid. Lack of testing capacity along with a general, widespread ignorance (epitomized by your remarks) makes tracking cases and deaths extremely difficult.

I realize you have to constantly work on your "brand" as an incredibly uninformed, lying idiot, but perhaps you could scale back your advertising campaign.

Paulie97

01-13-22, 19:47

The gang's all here. All it takes is one or two swift kicks to behave and the Elviras, Pedros, Shoo Swedes, Marquis de Twats, and others who dream of Medellin come a running. LOL.

Paulie97

01-13-22, 19:50

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nGKatCAQed0

PedroMorales

01-13-22, 20:35

The gang's all here. All it takes is one or two swift kicks to behave and the Elviras, Pedros, Shoo Swedes, Marquis de Twats, and others who dream of Medellin come a running. LOL.Can you explain why Iran was hit do badly by Covid, Iran having a youngish population? Can you point us towards any peer reviewed articles explaining why Iran is an outlier on one side and Africa on the other?

Guess who will be bonking in Eastern Europe soon? None other than my unvaccinated self.

Mr Enternational

01-13-22, 20:57

Elvis 2008

01-13-22, 21:36

At least someone in the USA is thinking with some sense.

"News Alert: Supreme Court blocks nationwide vaccine and testing mandate for large businesses.

The Supreme Court blocked President Joe Biden's vaccine or testing requirement aimed at large businesses, but it allowed a vaccine mandate for certain health care workers to go into effect nationwide. ".Yeah, it is been a really, really bad day for Biden. His mandate was kicked to the curb.

His attempt to end the filibuster was thrown out:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/kyrsten-sinema-nukes-dem-agenda-blistering-speech

And now there are 105 ships off the California coast and China is shutting down a port:

Those ships contain between 1 million and 1.5 million containers. Even if no new ships came in, I wonder how long it would take to load them. And this keeps getting worse and worse.

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/global-economy-heading-mother-all-supply-chain-shocks-china-locks-down-ports

And producer prices rise 9. 7% for 2021, the Most in Series History.

https://mishtalk.com/economics/producer-prices-rise-9-7-for-2021-the-most-in-series-history

I am not sure if there have been any supply chain issues in Colombia yet. I looked at the shipyard in Cartagena and I was told if they are stacking containers more than 2 at a time, that is congestion. They were 4 and 5 high.

I also wonder with the weakening dollar how much inflation Colombia is going to have.

Lou32

01-13-22, 21:45

If you have tested positive and are still want to have visitors during your quarantine you should be happy to spend a few years in a colombian jail.Why?

It isn't the AIDS virus. And "positive" doesn't guarantee that you have the virus. And I believe I wrote "if they are willing to risk it" so that means fully informing them.

I feel your reply was a bit of an overreaction.

Lou32

01-13-22, 21:51

I personally couldn't do it. As soon as I began to suspect what was dragging me down was Covid, I checked out of my apartment a day early, cancelled a date with a non-pro, got in my rental car and drove from Medellin to Bogota, to avoid being around anyone. After I turned in my rental car, I headed to get tested. Once I received the positive results, I started informing everyone, the hotel, the people I'd spent time with in Medellin, the airline and my employer.

When one girl reported symptoms, I warned her to get tested and isolate, especially to stay away from her mother and grandmother. Fortunately, it stopped with her and her symptoms were mild.

If you're quarantining and isolating, it defeats the purpose of quarantining and isolating if you're having girls come to visit.Thanks but, again, I don't mean "feeling sick and then testing positive". I mean feeling fine, testing positive, being stuck in Medellin then what?

To further clear it up I didn't mean purposely infecting anyone. Personally, if I'm chatting with a lady while stuck in Medellin and she (likely) offered to keep me company I'd tell her straight away that I tested positive but I feel fine. I'd make sure she was cool with that risk BUT if she hesitated at all or if I started being symptomatic I'd drop the issue.

But all of that is probably moot anyway since all it takes is for one front desk person to drop a dime about a positive gringo inviting chicas to his room then you'd be in a world of shit, probably.

So I guess just Netflix and waiting it out.

PedroMorales

01-13-22, 21:55

Villainy

01-13-22, 22:14

I saw Paulie smugly quoted this and the truth is I should put both of you douches on ignore. You are too stupid to get what I was talking about so I will explain it once. As Mr. E posted today, "75% of vaccinated people who died of COVID-19 had at least four comorbidities."You said before you put me on ignore. Please, don't lie this time. Just do it! I just feel compelled to point out some of the rancid bull dung you are passing out. I know you aren't bright enough to come up with it on your own so a quick search and I see you are just rehashing the same trash that is on your favorite podcasts or blogs. None of which is supported by serious analysis or any expert groups (other than an occassional renegade pseudo-scientist).

Right now, there are more + Covid cases than ever before.I assume that even Elvis the Diarrhea Analyst doesn't mean "cumulative cases" but that you are talking about "daily new cases".

So which is it Elvis? One day you talk about all the new cases are Omnicron and it is highly contagious but not highly threatening, so the pandemic is over. But now your new theory is that there are all these cases because the vaccine is ineffective.

Isn't this a new variant? Didn't the vaccine stop the primary CoVid virus and the Delta variant that followed??

If someone gets in a car wreck and his head is cut off and he tested + for Covid, that counts as a Covid death, so there is going to be an explosion of deaths now.Absolute bovine feces. Just not true. First of all you over stated your example. If an accident victim is decapitated, I don't think the medical examiner is going to explore the cause of death. I think he (or she) knows that a decapitation is fatal. Do you seriously think he (or she) is going to run CoVid tests? Maybe look for poison? What about evidence of a seizure? Without a reason to search further, that body is going down as a car accident / decapitation and it's on to the next case. This is never branded as a CoVid death. This "classification issue" has been raised in several of your podcasts / blogs and has been debunked and debunked again. So, why don't you spend a few minutes researching instead of rebranding the latest crap as new insight.

The CDC is trying to back off that number because it is going to explode and it directly conflicts with what Dr. Malone said about there being zero omicron deaths. Of course, you douches only watch CNN and MSNBC but 10 million people watch Joe Rogan's podcast and Dr. Malone was one of his most popular guests, and the informed people unlike you are seeing how full of shit the CDC really is.I'm sure you are very impressed with Dr. Malone. He was on the cutting edge of medical exploration 31 years ago. If he were still so knowledgeable, why didn't any of the pharmaceutical companies bring him in to help develop the vaccines? You know why? Because you don't pull Wilbur and Orville out of the grave to help design the newest Boeing Stratacruiser.

Sorry, douche, but you do not what the fuck you are talking about. Do you know how many pure Covid deaths there were in Italy when the Italians took out co-morbidities? "2. 9% presented with no comorbidities and 97.1% had one or more condition listed aside from COVID-19, such as ischemic heart disease, heart failure, type-2 diabetes, obesity or autoimmune disease (see Table 1 here)."BFD. The total obesity rate in the US is 36.2%. And just to help you understand numbers (something you are woefully unable to do on your own) 20% of the US population under the age of 19 is obese. That means that among adults the obesity rate is even higher than 36%. Actually I did the math, since you are never going to be able to do simple algebra on your own. The US population has a 42.7% obesity rate if you eliminate the 0-19 year olds.

That is just one co-morbidity. Of course people with no co-morbidities do better. Duh? My point is that the adult population is rife with co-morbidities. You can't simply ignore that fact.

So you are being an arrogant douche in thinking that the 80,000 number has been exceeded. Tell me douche, how do you determine a heart attack, stroke, or pulmonary embolism was due to Covid or not?
If you are the CDC, you say, "Ah fuck it, we will say they are all due to Covid." and a douche like you says "Sounds smart to me."I say that the CDC and other medical institutions are a hell of a lot more knowledgeable than you or your podcast heroes and they have collectively 100's of years of experience. Tell me again about your credentials??

MA or PhD in Epidemiology? Virology? Or Immunology? Should I believe them or you?? Seems like an easy choice to me.

Zeos1

01-14-22, 00:34

Why?

It isn't the AIDS virus. And "positive" doesn't guarantee that you have the virus. And I believe I wrote "if they are willing to risk it" so that means fully informing them.

I feel your reply was a bit of an overreaction.If you test positive it is almost certain you have it. There are lots of false negatives with antigen testing, but not a lot of false positives.

And it should not be up to them "if they are willing to risk it". It seems simple to me. If I test positive I probably have covid, if it was by an antigen test I am almost certainly contagious. No matter how I feel. And just be a good person who says. I don't want to take a chance on infecting anyone else even if they agree to it. It's only a few days in ones life. You don't have to knowingly put someone at risk, even if the risk is small.

Of course all of this is just theoretical. I'm not saying you are that person.

JustTK

01-14-22, 00:38

Great interview. Espec the latter half. Elvis will love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ik6cxFBbBw

ShooBree

01-14-22, 00:51

The gang's all here. All it takes is one or two swift kicks to behave and the Elviras, Pedros, Shoo Swedes, Marquis de Twats, and others who dream of Medellin come a running. LOL.No wonder you have no friends, you're dumb & weak.

Ptrbrgr

01-14-22, 03:19

The CDC is trying to back off that number because it is going to explode and it directly conflicts with what Dr. Malone said about there being zero omicron deaths..It is not just a number that directly conflicts with what this Dr. Malone said about there being zero omicron deaths, it is also reality that directly conflicts with it. One of the reasons I only check in here every once in a while is that I am rather busy writing post-mortems, which includes those for people who died from COVID after being infected with omicron. If you have this Dr. Malone on speed dial, could you kindly ask him if he has any suggestions what we might be doing wrong in his opinion? Are these people in our morgue not really dead, maybe? Or when we sequence the virus, are we maybe messing up the read alignment and the variant calling? Any other suggestions? In advance, please give my utmost gratitude to Dr. Malone for enlightening us.

Huacho

01-14-22, 03:23

So you have a vaccine that has been proven effective. Not 100% effective but nothing is perfect. People who then won't take the vaccine are just selfish assholes, and should be taken outside and shot.

JjBee62

01-14-22, 04:31

Thanks but, again, I don't mean "feeling sick and then testing positive". I mean feeling fine, testing positive, being stuck in Medellin then what?

To further clear it up I didn't mean purposely infecting anyone. Personally, if I'm chatting with a lady while stuck in Medellin and she (likely) offered to keep me company I'd tell her straight away that I tested positive but I feel fine. I'd make sure she was cool with that risk BUT if she hesitated at all or if I started being symptomatic I'd drop the issue.

But all of that is probably moot anyway since all it takes is for one front desk person to drop a dime about a positive gringo inviting chicas to his room then you'd be in a world of shit, probably.

So I guess just Netflix and waiting it out.I don't think anyone is intentionally trying to infect anyone else. If you test positive, there is a good chance you're contagious, whether or not you have any symptoms.

Both sides of what you're considering have happened to me. The first time, a girl who really wanted to come and see me, had some symptoms. Instead of telling me, or canceling she came over and spent a few hours with me. The next day I came down with strep throat. Fortunately, with antibiotics, strep is only contagious for about 2 days, so I only lost 3 days. This was late in 2020, so Covid was a possibility.

While I was sick with strep another girl wanted to see me, even after I informed her about the strep. However, she lives with her parents and has a young daughter, so I turned her down.

The same thing happened when I went into Covid quarantine. Three different girls I know offered to come to Bogota to stay with me until I recovered. In that case, if I had accepted, they would have been quarantined with me for almost 2 weeks, which would remove the risk to others. However, regardless of how young or in shape someone is, there's always a risk they'll get very sick from Covid. It's not a risk I'm willing to knowingly subject others to.

The timing of your question was bad. One of the girls who I've known for 4 years just lost her grandmother to Covid. According to her, she went from a little sick to extremely sick very quickly and died within 30 minutes of being intubated. The same thing happened to my aunt. One day she got sick, the next she was in the hospital and the next day she died.

Paulie97

01-14-22, 04:35

It is amazing Elvira still in here with the "numbers are cooked" nonsense. If there is some conspiracy to rob medical institutions then why hasn't it sweeped the globe? It's called a pandemic. They have effected the known world since bible times, is in the very book that stupid, numbskull Texans claim to worship. We also had these same dullard conspiracy theories back in the Middle Ages. The Jews anyone? So Elvira, place it where the sun never shines, along with your fellow basement buttbots. Wink.

Queens35

01-14-22, 04:55

I think it takes a horrible person to specify that you haven't been sick in the past 14 days when you really have. The honor system doesn't work when there's no honor.

It takes an even worse person to test positive and still plan to invite company over. Whether they know or not is irrelevant, the fact that they may be in dire need may force them to accept the invitation against their better judgement. Why not just wait another 2 weeks.

JjBee62

01-14-22, 05:09

Absolute bovine feces. Just not true. First of all you over stated your example. If an accident victim is decapitated, I don't think the medical examiner is going to explore the cause of death. I think he (or she) knows that a decapitation is fatal. Do you seriously think he (or she) is going to run CoVid tests? Maybe look for poison? What about evidence of a seizure? Without a reason to search further, that body is going down as a car accident / decapitation and it's on to the next case. This is never branded as a CoVid death. This "classification issue" has been raised in several of your podcasts / blogs and has been debunked and debunked again. So, why don't you spend a few minutes researching instead of rebranding the latest crap as new insight.This part is very solid. I have 2 personal examples related to what you wrote.

The first happened when I was driving a tow truck in San Diego. I got called out late one night for a bad accident on I-15 by Miramar Road. It was a single car accident and the driver was dead, his head almost completely severed. The rules are that the CHP is not allowed to move the body. Only the coroner can do that. However, if the person is still alive, and they seem it necessary, they can move an injured person from the car.

It was a rainy night and anytime it rains late at night in San Diego, there are lots of bad accidents. If my phone rang late night, I knew I needed my raincoat (they only called me out at night when there were more accidents than night shift could cover).

After waiting on scene for almost an hour, one of the cops told me it was probably going to be another 2 hours or more before the coroner arrived. Another cop said there was no sense in me waiting. He walked over to the car, said "I think he's still breathing", cut the seatbelt and pulled the body out. Which allowed me to load the car and take it to our yard.

They knew there was no need to wait for the coroner to show up, certify the death and then remove the corpse. And when the coroner finally did show up they knew he would understand and write it up normally.

The second incident happened to my mother. She almost certainly had a stroke, while she was driving to the store. One of her neighbors was driving behind her when she started swerving and suddenly sped up to about 50 mph, ran off the road and the car rolled over. On that road, any sped over 20 mph was risking severe damage to your car. The other driver was at her car within seconds and she was already dead, without any obvious injuries.

Cause of death? Car accident. No autopsy was performed. My stepfather was asked if he wanted an autopsy and he said no. If the official cause of death was a stroke, the accidental death, double indemnity would not have been paid and he was not willing to lose that money.

JjBee62

01-14-22, 05:47

At least someone in the USA is thinking with some sense.

"News Alert: Supreme Court blocks nationwide vaccine and testing mandate for large businesses.

The Supreme Court blocked President Joe Biden's vaccine or testing requirement aimed at large businesses, but it allowed a vaccine mandate for certain health care workers to go into effect nationwide..There's a reasonable chance the insurance companies will effectively create a vaccine mandate for large companies. They've done something similar in other areas.

Covid increases health care costs and the majority of the costs are for treatment of the unvaccinated. That cuts into the insurance company profits. What are the chances of the major health insurers significantly raising premiums for companies which don't require vaccination?

The mandate for healthcare workers applies to 10 million healthcare workers. That's about half of them. "Certain healthcare workers" is phrased to suggest that a fairly small number of healthcare workers are affected.

Lou32

01-14-22, 10:13

If you test positive it is almost certain you have it. There are lots of false negatives with antigen testing, but not a lot of false positives.

And it should not be up to them "if they are willing to risk it". It seems simple to me. If I test positive I probably have covid, if it was by an antigen test I am almost certainly contagious. No matter how I feel. And just be a good person who says. I don't want to take a chance on infecting anyone else even if they agree to it. It's only a few days in ones life. You don't have to knowingly put someone at risk, even if the risk is small.

Of course all of this is just theoretical. I'm not saying you are that person.It's theoretical but I think the situation is being blown a bit out of proportion.

Everyone here who has had sex since February 2020 has likely been exposed to and / or passed on the virus.

If you had a three week trip and at the end tested positive then you've probably already passed it on to multiple girls.

Young women make up a tiny, tiny portion of those who end up in the hospital but, yes, they could pass it on to abuelita or another immunocompromised family member.

It isn't automatic I'd call in a chica if I was stuck but feeling fine. But I'd let her make her own fully informed decision.

I take the virus seriously but it isn't AIDS or Ebola.

I respect other viewpoints on that though.

PepolesBuddy

01-14-22, 14:15

Why?

It isn't the AIDS virus. And "positive" doesn't guarantee that you have the virus. And I believe I wrote "if they are willing to risk it" so that means fully informing them..Side topic but I take descovy for PREP. I don't have aids and this pill prevents aids 99%.

Elvis 2008

01-14-22, 22:46

It is not just a number that directly conflicts with what this Dr. Malone said about there being zero omicron deaths, it is also reality that directly conflicts with it. One of the reasons I only check in here every once in a while is that I am rather busy writing post-mortems, which includes those for people who died from COVID after being infected with omicron. If you have this Dr. Malone on speed dial, could you kindly ask him if he has any suggestions what we might be doing wrong in his opinion? Are these people in our morgue not really dead, maybe? Or when we sequence the virus, are we maybe messing up the read alignment and the variant calling? Any other suggestions? In advance, please give my utmost gratitude to Dr. Malone for enlightening us.I asked this before Ptr, and I will ask it again in a different way. You know that 90% of people who die in a hospital have microscopic pulmonary emboli at the time of death and 35% have gross emboli before Covid came around. So if you wanted to call those people Covid deaths, no one would stop you, but we both know those clots may not have been due to Covid.

How are you determining if strokes and heart attacks and emboli are due to Covid or not?

Elvis 2008

01-14-22, 23:46

Cause of death? Car accident. No autopsy was performed. My stepfather was asked if he wanted an autopsy and he said no. If the official cause of death was a stroke, the accidental death, double indemnity would not have been paid and he was not willing to lose that money.LOL. Yeah, and this is how most deaths go. If you are a doctor and put down stroke, you get shit. If you put down accident, you don't. So what are you going to do? Usually doctors do not get paid for filling out death certificates so they just put down a PC answer.

The Danish did a study and said cause of death was determined in 70% of cases by history. So JJ you allude to the fact that an autopsy would have shown stroke. It is not as yes or no as you think. If an autopsy was done, it probably would not have been definitive even if cause of death was stroke.

You guys keep quoting Villainy and I have to read his crap. He wrote, "I don't think a medical examiner is going to explore cause of death. " First off, most death certificates are not filled out by medical examiners. Second, the CDC wants doctors to list if someone is Covid + on the death certificate even if it is not related to his death.

The problem is, and what the CDC director is trying to say, is that there have not been two columns with Covid deaths: with Covid and from Covid. NOW she is trying to make a distinction.

Just like your stepfather manipulated things, the CDC is doing that too. To me, this is old news. The CDC has played with the numbers with opioid deaths and AIDS in the past, and they are doing it here. The interesting thing to me is why CDC head Walensky is making this distinction now.

PedroMorales

01-15-22, 00:17

Have stuff to do, living being one of them. I went through (skimmed) all of your posts and you seem reasonably educated. However, there is such a thing as a readability test and your lectures come off as a bit on the dense side. I got myself a PDF of Kennedy's book on Fauci today and I also skimmed that, having first listened to the audio (which I also have), or at least to the first piece where he listed all his heavy hitting backers. An insider told me he has some real heavy hitters, household names. I am familiar with the Fog of War and Tolstoy's take on it in War and Peace.

I just dipped into Kennedy's stuff, on a chapter on AIDS and on another, later one. Kennedy paints Fauci out as a bad dude and I'd say he ain't wrong.

Long story short: Kennedy's is written in a glossy sheen kind of way, multiple hundreds of pages that should have been condensed and made more rigorous, at least for me, who is NOT the target audience. You, on the other hand, seem to be impressing the other way. The most I would take from here is some of the throw ways of Mr Entertainment and his type.

Bottom Line: Not only am not taking any jab but I am prepared to let every monger know, whether they wish me well or ill, that I shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty and of my DNA.

I have come to this conclusion after careful and mature reflection. For me, the case is closed.

Until they bring in their carbon tax nonsense of course.

I also appreciate the dialogue and that you share your reasoning in a way one can have a discussion. With apologies, my response will be a bit shorter as things are very busy at the moment..

GeneHickman

01-15-22, 01:28

GeneHickman

01-15-22, 01:30

I asked this before Ptr, and I will ask it again in a different way. You know that 90% of people who die in a hospital have microscopic pulmonary emboli at the time of death and 35% have gross emboli before Covid came around. So if you wanted to call those people Covid deaths, no one would stop you, but we both know those clots may not have been due to Covid.

How are you determining if strokes and heart attacks and emboli are due to Covid or not?How can you say that when Covid is undeniably causing emboli and micro emboli. When anticoagulants make us a core core part of treatment regimens. This is ridiculous, it's like saying some deaths are classed as respiratory failure and since Covid itself does not stop ones breathing it's not from Covid. It's sheer nonsense.

JjBee62

01-15-22, 02:40

It's theoretical but I think the situation is being blown a bit out of proportion.

Everyone here who has had sex since February 2020 has likely been exposed to and / or passed on the virus.

If you had a three week trip and at the end tested positive then you've probably already passed it on to multiple girls.

Young women make up a tiny, tiny portion of those who end up in the hospital but, yes, they could pass it on to abuelita or another immunocompromised family member.

It isn't automatic I'd call in a chica if I was stuck but feeling fine. But I'd let her make her own fully informed decision.

I take the virus seriously but it isn't AIDS or Ebola.

I respect other viewpoints on that though.It isn't AIDS or Ebola. It's worse.

Ebola first. At least so far Ebola has been contained. Unless you're spending time in a few different African countries, it's not currently a concern.

AIDS is terrible (although at least one person here believes it's nothing at all). However, transmission of the virus is very difficult. You would have to be either sharing needles with the girls, or having bareback anal sex to have any real chance to transmit it to another person.

With Covid, you just need to breathe close to someone for a few seconds and there's a chance of infection.

There's a problem with letting others make informed decisions. Not everyone makes good decisions. If they did, none of the girls would already have kids before they reach 16. If everyone made good decisions there would be no arrests for drunk driving. The list of examples is endless.

RamDavidson84

01-15-22, 02:42

Elvis 2008

01-15-22, 06:59

How can you say that when Covid is undeniably causing emboli and micro emboli. When anticoagulants make us a core core part of treatment regimens.Yeah, Gene, I know.

This is ridiculous. It's sheer nonsense.What is sheer nonsense is not distinguishing between deaths from Covid and with Covid. You make it sound like all emboli now are due to Covid. Are they? And if not, how do you tell which emboli are due to Covid and which ones are not? I have asked this three times now and not gotten an answer. That is pretty telling in and of itself.

it's like saying some deaths are classed as respiratory failure and since Covid itself does not stop ones breathing.Wow, you mean it is not the virus that causes death from respiratory failure? The virus causes inflammation and the body responds to the inflammation with clots, and the clots kill people? That would mean anticoagulants could save lives.

Maybe you should tell people that or maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and see that doctors who are actually advocating for treatment of Covid with anticoagulants are getting banned from Twitter and youtube.

PedroMorales

01-15-22, 10:10

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10404275/The-odd-world-consultant-took-Sajid-Javid-task-mandatory-jabs-NHS-staff.html

This medic went viral for coming out against the clot shot. Note the number they do on him. Note how the BBC Fact Checkers (sic) cherry pick. Note the fascism of the comments, fascism that is mirrored here. Note the top medics being government / Pharma parrots.

Whatever happened to the wisdom of crowds, of exploring and asking? One can't even play tennis unvaxxed now without being locked up for being a danger to civilization (as if Australia was civilised).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10405405/Tennis-star-Novak-Djokovic-sent-notorious-immigration-detention-hotel.html Australian officials declare Novak a threat to public order who could spark 'civil unrest'.

Lou32

01-15-22, 13:32

Not true, I have been 3 times in this time frame. Been with multiple chicas. As recently as December my antibody test suggested no natural immunity. So I have not been infected. As to your callousness about passing it on, it's just inconsiderate. Whether it's this on influenza or anything else, you should act responsibly. Why would you knowingly subject someone to it?If you were serious about not passing it on and not being "callous" you'd make zero trips because one can pass on the virus without knowing one has it.

Each test is only as good as the last time you were around another human being before the test. I can can test negative at 10:00 and get the virus at 11:00.

And the girls aren't super educated but they are adults so they do have the option to make their own choices and say no.

Thousands of guys are in Colombia right now passing on the virus.

JustTK

01-15-22, 16:12

If you were serious about not passing it on and not being "callous" you'd make zero trips because one can pass on the virus without knowing one has it.
Each test is only as good as the last time you were around another human being before the test. I can can test negative at 10:00 and get the virus at 11:00.
Thousands of guys are in Colombia right now passing on the virus.I agree. Its an argument that has not been thought through very cafrefully to its logical conclusions. It doesn't have to be even one hour later. You could actually test negative and ALREADY have it! - whether from inaccurate test results, or bcos you just caught it very recently. Everyone is a risk. And those that have weak immune systems are the greatet risk. These people should stay at home! Hehe.

If one wants to eliminate all possible risk to other people at all possible times, we should all stay home and watch internet porn. There is an element of risk in every action we take. We should all accept that as reality and stop pretending that there isn't.

DramaFree11

01-15-22, 20:32

JjBee62

01-15-22, 23:56

Why isn't White House making more anti-virals and covid treatments for infected patients? Instead they just pressure Supreme Court for worthless vaccine mandates. 95% of people who are at risk of being hospitalized from covid are fully vaccinated. Probably more than 95%. Vaccine doesn't prevent transmission, so why make it a mandate? It's just a cover for Biden's failure to control the virus like he promised. To be fair, there is probably no solution to the virus, it's a force of nature we can't control at this point or ever most likely. Biden should focus on treatments and fixing the insane inflation and horrific supply chain demands which are destroying the greatest economy to ever exist. Put the politics aside and do what is right for the people who are busting their ass to pay taxes to the government and get us out of this historic tragedy. People need to unite, forgive, and learn to cooperate again.It's hard to get people to "unite, forgive, and learn to cooperate again", when you open with "Biden Failure. " It kind of gives off the wrong vibe.

Now to address the rest of your post.

The White House is merely the Presidential residence. It's not a pharmaceutical production facility. The White House can't make more anti-virals and Covid treatments. That's like asking why Minnesota doesn't grow more oranges.

Do you mean why hasn't the Biden administration seized the means of production and forced the pharmaceutical companies to stop producing vaccines and focus on producing Covid treatments? I think the correct answer is free market capitalism. We could go the embrace communism route, but I'm guessing you would raise hell about that too.

Just a couple of statistics which are different from your 95% claim. They're different for 2 reasons. First they aren't numbers I just made up and they are much more accurate than your number.

I'm just going from the numbers popping up from a simple search.

In Canada, unvaccinated make up only 13% of the population. At Toronto General hospital 70% of the ICU patients are unvaccinated. 13% of the population accounts for 70% of ICU patients.

According to the Virginia Department of Health, every age group which is authorized for vaccination has a lower rate of hospitalization among the vaccinated. Based on age group the unvaccinated are between 2. 73 and 28.09 times more likely to be hospitalized.

According to the Wisconsin Department of Health Services, unvaccinated people are hospitalized 10 times more often than vaccinated people.

According to the Washington state Department of Health unvaccinated are between 8 and 11 times more likely to be hospitalized, depending on age group.

From the same search, unvaccinated are 3 times as likely to become infected when compared to the fully vaccinated.

Biden should focus on treatments? I'm guessing you have never had any involvement with any safety department, risk mitigation or similar. I'll make it simple. If every day you have employees getting cuts at work, do you focus on buying bandaids, or do you find out how they are getting cut and fix the problem?

Maybe this will help:

"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. ".

It's much more effective, cheaper, easier on the patients and better for everyone to try to keep people from going into the hospital in the first place. I honestly don't understand how anyone could fail to recognize that.

The insane inflation is much lower than it was during a good part of the late 70's and early 80's. Do you remember how it was dealt with? Interest rates were hiked to between 10-20%. If the Fed suggests raising rates by 0. 5% the stock market plummets.

Do you know anything about the supply chain? 2 years ago I posted that the US supply chain was teetering and couldn't handle anything unexpected. Guess what happened? Now it's going to be a struggle to get things going again. First, we need drivers, but to get drivers pay needs to increase, which adds to inflation. Next, we need trucks. But we can't get trucks because we can't get the computer chips needed for the trucks. The shortage of trucks will likely cause an increase in the price of trucks, adding to inflation.

Lou32

01-16-22, 00:01

It isn't AIDS or Ebola. It's worse.

Ebola first. At least so far Ebola has been contained. Unless you're spending time in a few different African countries, it's not currently a concern.

AIDS is terrible (although at least one person here believes it's nothing at all). However, transmission of the virus is very difficult. You would have to be either sharing needles with the girls, or having bareback anal sex to have any real chance to transmit it to another person.

With Covid, you just need to breathe close to someone for a few seconds and there's a chance of infection.

There's a problem with letting others make informed decisions. Not everyone makes good decisions. If they did, none of the girls would already have kids before they reach 16. If everyone made good decisions there would be no arrests for drunk driving. The list of examples is endless.Nothing personal against you but I can't take anyone seriously who claims COVID is worse than Ebola.

Ebola has a 50% death rate on average and it has gotten as high as 90% dead in past outbreaks.

No sane person would choose Ebola or AIDS over COVID and I think you probably know that.

Regarding the ladies. I am not their dad. They are adults.

If I am stuck in Colombia but feeling fine and getting Messaged every 30 minutes I will definitely be honest about the situation but I WON'T parent the adult female. Her choice is her own.

If I start to feel sick (symptomatic) or if I already know she lives with a bunch of older relatives or ESPECIALLY if she is unvaccinated then that would be an automatic no.

But the fact is young folks who are vaccinated are NOT filling hospital wards anywhere.

Lou32

01-16-22, 00:06

I agree. Its an argument that has not been thought through very cafrefully to its logical conclusions. It doesn't have to be even one hour later. You could actually test negative and ALREADY have it! - whether from inaccurate test results, or bcos you just caught it very recently. Everyone is a risk. And those that have weak immune systems are the greatet risk. These people should stay at home! Hehe.

If one wants to eliminate all possible risk to other people at all possible times, we should all stay home and watch internet porn. There is an element of risk in every action we take. We should all accept that as reality and stop pretending that there isn't.Yep.

By now, entering year three, it should be obvious that if you aren't elderly, obese, have some sort of lung or blood condition and are unvaccinated then your chance of ending up in a hospital bed due to COVID is slightly greater than that of influenza. Slightly.

Is it serious? Yep.

Is it uniformly a disease that will send you to the hospital? Not even close.

Elvis 2008

01-16-22, 00:06

It's just a cover for Biden's failure to control the virus like he promised. To be fair, there is probably no solution to the virus, it's a force of nature we can't control at this point or ever most likely. Biden should focus on treatments and fixing the insane inflation and horrific supply chain demands which are destroying the greatest economy to ever exist. Put the politics aside and do what is right for the people who are busting their ass to pay taxes to the government and get us out of this historic tragedy. People need to unite, forgive, and learn to cooperate again.LOL. This is funny and smart Ram. My passport was out of pages and for some fucked up reason if you want a passport ASAP you have to go to a passport center. The appointments are very limited, and I had to fly to El Paso to get it done.

The agency people were nice and said they would have them that day. Hours are 10 to 3 PM but the staff stayed two hours late and got us our passports. I am not sure why it took so long, but I was grateful the staff stayed and got it done. Anyway, there were five of us in the room and we did something unusual. We put down our phones and talked.

There were two women, one Hispanic and one white who were both Republicans. Three men who were Republican leaning independents, two white and one black. What was interesting to me was these were can do people. They are all world travelers who knew it was rough getting a passport but were determined to get one.

The supreme court decision was reached that day and all of us were pleased. Everyone was vaccinated, but we all hated mandates. We thought ruining the economy for Covid was stupid. We were anti the deep state and concerned the Constitution was being over run. We all thought Biden was doing a horrible job. It was not a Republican love fest. The men made certain to proclaim their independence and lack of party.

I am a lot harder on the Dems here because they bring their toxic shit to this forum. I know the Republican retards are just as bad but they stay quiet, and I have voted Democrat before.

Anyway, there was no overt partisanship, and I felt after sharing with those people we all had a bond. It was wonderful to find four like minded people, and I will tell you this. I think the five of us, the can do people there, could have solved almost any problem the world threw at us. I really do. It is funny how that partisanship has gotten people so angry with each other they no longer trust one another but the truth is that if we get good people together like you say and unite, most of the world's problems would be solved.

JohnnyWalker55

01-16-22, 02:30

It isn't AIDS or Ebola. It's worse.Hahahhahahahha.

And the covid cultist shows his true colors. They always do. Grossly misinformed, or just lacking logic. Emotional thinking really is a bee-otch.

JjBee62

01-16-22, 07:49

Nothing personal against you but I can't take anyone seriously who claims COVID is worse than Ebola.

Ebola has a 50% death rate on average and it has gotten as high as 90% dead in past outbreaks.

No sane person would choose Ebola or AIDS over COVID and I think you probably know that.

Regarding the ladies. I am not their dad. They are adults.

If I am stuck in Colombia but feeling fine and getting Messaged every 30 minutes I will definitely be honest about the situation but I WON'T parent the adult female. Her choice is her own.

If I start to feel sick (symptomatic) or if I already know she lives with a bunch of older relatives or ESPECIALLY if she is unvaccinated then that would be an automatic no..I'm sorry you're unable to understand. It's quite simple.

Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathy is a class of communicable disease which is incurable and 100% fatal. It's the deadliest disease, by Case Fatality Ratio (CFR) known. Yet, you've probably never heard of it. The reason is because there are only a small number of cases each it's not worse than COVID because it only affects less than 10,000 people per year, worldwide. Compare that to 35,000 new cases of Covid yesterday just in Colombia.

Now look at Ebola. In 20#0 and 2021 there were 141 cases of Ebola with 61 deaths. Over the same period there were over 300 million cases of Covid with more than 5 million deaths.

There's no doubt Ebola is a terrible disease if you get it, but unless you live or work in the areas in Africa where it has shown up, your chances of getting infected are just about zero. There is also no asymptomatic transmission of Ebola. Unless you're actually sick with Ebola, in which case you wouldn't consider inviting girls over, you aren't going to infect another person. That's one of the reasons keeping Ebola from becoming a pandemic.

Nobody chooses to get Ebola, AIDS or Covid. So making the argument that someone would choose one over another is silly. It comes down to risk. Unless you want to go mongering in the middle of an Ebola outbreak your chance of getting and passing on Ebola is zero. Unless you're an IV drug user, sharing needles, or you're giving and receiving unprotected anal sex your risk of getting or giving AIDS is almost zero.

Your risk of getting infected with Covid is perhaps 20% or more, with possibly the same chance of passing it on to any girls you see.

Do you understand now? You can avoid Ebola by staying out of the areas of Africa where there is an Ebola outbreak. You can avoid AIDS by not being an IV drug user, or by always using a clean needle and by not letting a bunch of men fuck you in the ass without using condoms. You can completely avoid those 2 diseases by doing absolutely nothing. No mask, vaccine or social distancing required. How do you avoid Covid?

Regarding the ladies, that's your decision. Well, assuming you have already decided not to inform the hotel or apartment management that you tested positive and are complying with the legally required quarantine, it's your choice.

If you inform the hotel you're possibly not going to have the option to invite girls over. The hotel probably won't let them in. If one of them manages to get in, you might end up finishing your quarantine and then getting escorted to the airport to end your last visit to Colombia.

There are plenty of ways to look at it. The easiest way is to decide you wouldn't knowingly put another person at risk, once you know you're infected. That one is simple and avoids any other issues.

At the other end of the spectrum is that you would rather risk being banned from Colombia l, than go 10-14 days without getting laid.

JjBee62

01-16-22, 08:14

Hahahhahahahha.

And the covid cultist shows his true colors. They always do. Grossly misinformed, or just lacking logic. Emotional thinking really is a bee-otch.You're still working hard to be an idiot I see. Got to do what you're good at.

How many people have died in the past 2 years from:

1. Ebola - 61.

2. AIDS -. About 1.4 million.

3. COVID - 5 million.

How do you avoid catching:

1. Ebola. Don't visit a place where there is a current outbreak.

2. AIDS. Don't be an IV drug user. If you are an IV drug user, always use a clean needle. Don't let men fuck you in the ass. If you insist on letting men fuck you in the ass, make them use a condom.

3. Covid. Other than complete isolation from all other people there is no known way to prevent being infected with Covid. Every measure only reduces the risk. None of them remove the risk.

I don't expect you to understand that, because you continuously demonstrate you lack the capacity to understand anything. If they ever give out an "Idiot of ISG" award I'm sure you'll get the recognition you deserve.

Fun Luvr

01-16-22, 08:18

JjBirdBrain again illustrates his lack of understanding English grammar. RamDavidson64 stated "95% of people who are at risk of being hospitalized from covid are fully vaccinated." JjBB says "Just a couple of statistics which are different from your 95% claim." and uses five paragraphs to describe the percentage of people hospitalized who are not vaccinated. It appears he thinks everyone who is at risk of being hospitalized has actually been hospitalized. His numbers don't address the statement made by RD64.

According to the CDC website, "Some people may be at higher risk of severe illness. This includes older adults (65 years and older) and people of any age with serious underlying medical conditions." They don't mention hospitalization, but probably people with a severe illness will be hospitalized. They also state that 95% of those 65 and over have one shot of the vaccine, 90.28% of those 65 to 74 and 84.75% of those 75 and up are fully vaccinated. I can't find any data for those with serious underlying medical conditions. I think RD64 overstated the percentage a little, but in the ballpark.

GeneHickman

01-16-22, 09:00

Yeah, Gene, I know.

What is sheer nonsense is not distinguishing between deaths from Covid and with Covid. You make it sound like all emboli now are due to Covid. Are they? And if not, how do you tell which emboli are due to Covid and which ones are not? I have asked this three times now and not gotten an answer. That is pretty telling in and of itself.

Wow, you mean it is not the virus that causes death from respiratory failure? The virus causes inflammation and the body responds to the inflammation with clots, and the clots kill people? That would mean anticoagulants could save lives.

Maybe you should tell people that or maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and see that doctors who are actually advocating for treatment of Covid with anticoagulants are getting banned from Twitter and youtube.Covid is an acute illness. Acute illness increases risk of thromboembolism, and Covid especially so. This is well recognized all over the medical literature. Prophylactic doses of anticoagulants is now part of the regimen of standard of care and you are utterly misinformed. So don't confuse your political ideology with medical facts, and stop with your facial love affair with your rectum. First go look up your facts, it would be a first step in that monumental effort.

Nounce

01-16-22, 09:04

Hahahhahahahha.
Covid is worse than ebola or aids. 99.97 survival rate...It depends on how you look at the numbers because the number of deaths tells a different story.

GeneHickman

01-16-22, 09:05

Hahahhahahahha.

And the covid cultist shows his true colors. They always do. Grossly misinformed, or just lacking logic. Emotional thinking really is a bee-otch.Well let's see. Officially over 5 M people have died of Covid in under 2 yrs. And we know many countries undercounted this. Be that as it may it still approaching 3 M a year. 33 M have died of AIDS predominantly in Africa in about 40 yrs. That's about 800 k a year. Ebola has taken a few thousand people in all. As far as global health goes, Covid has had the bigger impact. Despite the mitigation measured put in place.

MedalloBum

01-16-22, 10:07

Well let's see. Officially over 5 M people have died of Covid in under 2 yrs. And we know many countries undercounted this. Be that as it may it still approaching 3 M a year. 33 M have died of AIDS predominantly in Africa in about 40 yrs. That's about 800 k a year. Ebola has taken a few thousand people in all. As far as global health goes, Covid has had the bigger impact. Despite the mitigation measured put in place.There is a difference between infection rate and death rate, Covid infection rate is higher, but much lower death rate. If the death rate was as high as Ebola, there would be at least 200 million dead worldwide.

Elvis 2008

01-16-22, 14:42

Covid is an acute illness. Acute illness increases risk of thromboembolism, and Covid especially so. This is well recognized all over the medical literature. Prophylactic doses of anticoagulants is now part of the regimen of standard of care and you are utterly misinformed. So don't confuse your political ideology with medical facts, and stop with your facial love affair with your rectum. First go look up your facts, it would be a first step in that monumental effort.LOL. Facts Gene? Where the hell were you when JJBee had an embolic event and no anticoagulants were given?

And JJBee is still arguing for the vaccine. So tell me doctor, is it well known that the vaccine causes embolic events as well?

And maybe you can tell me why the vaccine is being mandated on people with prior infection seeing as how you know all about the standard of care especially those with prior embolic events.

Or maybe you can just keep kissing the government's ass while it artificially inflates Covid numbers and ignore all the mayhem the vaccines are causing.

LoveItHere69

01-16-22, 19:12

Roughly 1.3 million people die in auto accidents (automobile, motor cyclists, and people hit by them) every year. 3,287 per day. This can easily be tripled since the majority of the people on the planet do not own a vehicle or a motor cycle which means that there are 3. 9 million people each year or 9,861 per day dying. So what I am trying to say is that all you COVID nuts should start worrying about dodging cars and motor cycles like Frogger. So just JUMP!

Buddy went to New York because his sister died. Funeral Parlor told him to get the doctor to list the death as COVID and he could get $9,000 paid toward the funeral expenses. I looked it up and it is the the tip pf the iceberg. There is a ton of money to be made and saved if you use COVID to your benefit! So many COVID deaths are complete BS. Only the stupid still believe in the scare tactics. It has been two years. You idiots need to wake up!

https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/fema-covid-19-funeral-assistance

GeneHickman

01-16-22, 20:28

GeneHickman

01-16-22, 20:30

There is a difference between infection rate and death rate, Covid infection rate is higher, but much lower death rate. If the death rate was as high as Ebola, there would be at least 200 million dead worldwide.Valid point and I never argued otherwise, nonetheless the contagion and epidemiology means more overall died from this last 2yrs and without the measures even more likely would have. Hence the comparison is incorrect.

Elvis 2008

01-17-22, 01:42

So what I am trying to say is that all you COVID nuts should start worrying about dodging cars.

Buddy went to New York because his sister died. Funeral Parlor told him to get the doctor to list the death as COVID and he could get $9,000 paid toward the funeral expenses. I looked it up and it is the the tip pf the iceberg. There is a ton of money to be made and saved if you use COVID to your benefit! So many COVID deaths are complete BS. Only the stupid still believe in the scare tactics. It has been two years. You idiots need to wake up!Great post LIH! Yeah, JJBee does all these math calculations and even gives an example of how death certificates may not correctly be filled out. I am wondering if even he is going to start questioning this death data because this story you just gave happens all the time.

The powers that be wanted these numbers inflated until recently when they are coming back and biting them in the ass and what is amazing is you actually have guys here covering this up.

You are a dumb blowhard self absorbed with your own views. You fail to realize these are probabilities you are dealing with, and those are measured over populations. But obviously you will live in your oblivion.You do not even need me to tell you this guy is full of it because you have seen yourself how the deaths are counted, but he wants you to believe there is this super secret scientific method counting deaths. He does not and cannot say what that method is so he relies on insults and arrogance. They want you to believe in an authority figure that you know does not exist.

Elvis 2008

01-17-22, 01:46

Those like you deserve any and everything you get for you have stood as a barrier ensuring the endemicity of this thing when if all got vaxed within a timeframe this could have been extinguished. You are ignorant and unworthy of a debate.So Gene, the problem was we did not pay Moderna and Pfizer enough money for the vaccines?

And Gene, if the vaccines were so fucking great, why were there 50% more deaths in 2021 than 2020 in the USA?

Lou32

01-17-22, 01:47

I'm sorry you're unable to understand. It's quite simple.

Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathy is a class of communicable disease which is incurable and 100% fatal. It's the deadliest disease, by Case Fatality Ratio (CFR) known. Yet, you've probably never heard of it. The reason is because there are only a small number of cases each it's not worse than COVID because it only affects less than 10,000 people per year, worldwide. Compare that to 35,000 new cases of Covid yesterday just in Colombia.

Now look at Ebola. In 20#0 and 2021 there were 141 cases of Ebola with 61 deaths. Over the same period there were over 300 million cases of Covid with more than 5 million deaths.

There's no doubt Ebola is a terrible disease if you get it, but unless you live or work in the areas in Africa where it has shown up, your chances of getting infected are just about zero. There is also no asymptomatic transmission of Ebola. Unless you're actually sick with Ebola, in which case you wouldn't consider inviting girls over, you aren't going to infect another person. That's one of the reasons keeping Ebola from becoming a pandemic.

Nobody chooses to get Ebola, AIDS or Covid. So making the argument that someone would choose one over another is silly. It comes down to risk. Unless you want to go mongering in the middle of an Ebola outbreak your chance of getting and passing on Ebola is zero. Unless you're an IV drug user, sharing needles, or you're giving and receiving unprotected anal sex your risk of getting or giving AIDS is almost zero.

Your risk of getting infected with Covid is perhaps 20% or more, with possibly the same chance of passing it on to any girls you see.

Do you understand now? You can avoid Ebola by staying out of the areas of Africa where there is an Ebola outbreak. You can avoid AIDS by not being an IV drug user, or by always using a clean needle and by not letting a bunch of men fuck you in the ass without using condoms. You can completely avoid those 2 diseases by doing absolutely nothing. No mask, vaccine or social distancing required. How do you avoid Covid?

Regarding the ladies, that's your decision. Well, assuming you have already decided not to inform the hotel or apartment management that you tested positive and are complying with the legally required quarantine, it's your choice.

If you inform the hotel you're possibly not going to have the option to invite girls over. The hotel probably won't let them in. If one of them manages to get in, you might end up finishing your quarantine and then getting escorted to the airport to end your last visit to Colombia.

There are plenty of ways to look at it. The easiest way is to decide you wouldn't knowingly put another person at risk, once you know you're infected. That one is simple and avoids any other issues.

At the other end of the spectrum is that you would rather risk being banned from Colombia l, than go 10-14 days without getting laid.No, I understood the first time. And I don't remember writing about not informing the hotel. Where did I write that?

The argument that is somehow trying to be made here is that SARS-CoV-2 is is a far more lethal virus than Ebola which is ridiculous.

If I had Ebola and rang up the Colombian health authorities to tell them that I can fucking guarantee you that it would trigger a massive emergency response with military coming to my location to roadblock the streets around my building and to isolate EVERYONE who I may have come in contact with.

It would make international news. It would be a huge problem, mostly for me since I would probably be dead in 72 hours.

COVID is a widespread, airborne virus that causes death in less than half a percent of those who contract it. So far it is LESS deadly than the 1918 H1N1 Influenza Pandemic.

As I wrote before you wouldn't choose Ebola over COVID and neither would anyone else. No one chooses their diseases but we all acknowledge the truly dangerous from the dangerous only if a series of circumstances happen to line up in a way for bad luck to occur. Again, please show me the stats regarding women under 30 dying of COVID.

You know COVID is highly survivable and the death toll is due to it affecting 1 billion humans and NOT killing 995,000,000 million of them.

I've made several trips to Colombia since late 2019 and I'm not dead or have gotten sick and neither have any of the young ladies whom I've kept company with (I would have gotten plenty of RFM if that had happened, believe me).

If you can point out the Colombian law that says "if you test positive for COVID-19 you must not be in physical contact with another human being or else you will be permanently banned from Colombia" that would be helpful (direct link please to a Colombian government webpage).

I haven't heard of any American "escorted to the airport" for inviting a woman to his apartment but I suppose it must be happening all the time in Medellin since COVID is everywhere, gringos are everywhere and the authorities are monitoring everyone very closely. Surely there must be hundreds of examples of men being frog marched out of the country because the PCR Test said "Positive" and the Paisas have been dropping like flies from the COVID that they have been forced to contract from the gringos.

Osteoknot

01-17-22, 02:44

Wow, you guys have really been going at it over in Stupid Shit about Covid. I will interject and say this one time and not debate anyone on it. First off, Ego. I was the first person on this board to call the vaccination cards the "new passport" for international travel, over a year ago. I am not going to look it up, I will leave that to someone else if they wish. That was not a stroke of brilliance, but I happened to be the first one to say it here. Most of the people making the arguments about Covid here, pro or con, are not qualified to do so. You can be very intelligent and still be ignorant. You don't know what you don't know.

Do I have a right to rant? Perhaps. I used to sit in the Chief Executive Suite of an international Fortune 50 company that sold health insurance. That was the last five years of my working career before I retired, relatively young. We had millions of covered lives. We had to decide what to pay for and what not to pay for. Yes, there is bias because health insurance in the USA is capitalistic, but guess what? Healthy people cost less than sick people and insurance companies want you to stay healthy. And vaccinations are the classic population health intervention, and trust me, there is not enough of a short term, direct profit margin there to justify a vaccination program that doesn't work. Don't talk to me about orphan diseases and drugs that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars per dose. That is a separate subject.

In fact don't talk to me at all about this, I will not respond. I would ask the moderators if there happens to be any responses to this post, please put them it in Stupid Shit where they belong. You can put this post wherever you want, I will not be offended.

I also posted here before that I don't care if the vaccine is effective or not (it is a valid intervention), or who makes a profit from it, or any other theoretical ulterior motives. Unless you are some fringe conspiracy theorist who believes the vaccine does more harm than good, then for the purposes of this board, it doesn't' matter. I am here to fuck, lick and get sucked, and maybe spread a little love while doing it. I've had two vaccine shots and a booster. Before that, I went to a Covid party very early on in this morass and intentionally got infected, and it worked. Right now I am the prototype for the most immune you can possibly be to Covid and its variants.

Woo Hoo. I don't care what you decide to do other than the theoretical risk of harming others by not being vaccinated, but I believe that is a wash by now, it doesn't matter. That train has left the station. I made my choice solely based on my desire to come and go to Medellin and travel internationally as freely as possible. So far so good. I survived the infection, and I get to ignore all the bull shit surrounding the virus. If you chose differently and now you can't cross borders as you please, I respect your choice but stop whining about it. You made your bed, now lay in it.

Finally, I am also on record (not here) in the very beginning of this shit show for saying we should have done absolutely nothing to intervene for this virus, based on early data about the mortality and attack rates. The outcome would have been much better by doing nothing than the prolonged infectious phase we are dealing with now. A major flu epidemic happens every century or less and it culls the herd. The main difference now is this is the first one since the Internet got invented, so like assholes, everybody has an opinion they can put out there on the World Wide Web. University of Google graduates are prone to faulty thinking processes from too much unfiltered information.

As far as what topics deserve to be discussed here, last time I checked the only opinions that count on that are the owners and administrators / moderators of this Web site. Any one else's opinion on what should or should not be discussed here doesn't mean jack shit. I find it credible and amazing that this Web site tolerates our Stupid Shit, and the name of that thread should tell you something. Osteeeeee Oouuuuut.

Knowledge

01-17-22, 02:58

A fake card would have to work twice, once at airport check and again at Colombia passport control. Your home country could impose a stiff fine and a place of shame on the no fly list. Pass the popcorn and let's watch the show. Some may have heard the breaking news about recently deported tennis pro Djokovic. He is banned from entering Australia for three years.

I don't think many of them will get vaccinated to get into Colombia. They'll use a fake card. Even after someone gets caught, they'll continue to use fake cards.

Huacho

01-17-22, 03:39

I don't expect you to understand that, because you continuously demonstrate you lack the capacity to understand anything.You mean 'continually,' not 'continuously.'

Huacho

01-17-22, 03:47

Roughly 1.3 million people die in auto accidents (automobile, motor cyclists, and people hit by them) every year. 3,287 per day. This can easily be tripled since the majority of the people on the planet do not own a vehicle or a motor cycle which means that there are 3. 9 million people each year or 9,861 per day dying. So what I am trying to say is that all you COVID nuts should start worrying about dodging cars and motor cycles like Frogger. So just JUMP!And if I want to avoid most of that, I can walk. But I can't avoid unvaccinated assholes travelling and infecting people. That's the difference. I don't have to go a lot of places but I have to go to the grocery store and you unvaccinated and / or unmasked assholes increase my risk. I get that since you're assholes, you don't understand and / or don't care. You're still a bunch of selfish, ignorant, poorly educated assholes.

Villainy

01-17-22, 03:48

COVID is a widespread, airborne virus that causes death in less than half a percent of those who contract it. .https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

5,557,737 Deaths out of 328,774,268 CoVid cases is: 1.69% Or more than 3 times the number you are using.

Huacho

01-17-22, 03:51

JJBee does all these math calculationsWhereas you are completely and demonstrably innumerate and can't even do basic arithmetic, as has been shown umpteen times on this thread. Hey Elvis, real quick, what's 8 times 7?

MarquisdeSade1

01-17-22, 07:19

So Gene, the problem was we did not pay Moderna and Pfizer enough money for the vaccines?

And Gene, if the vaccines were so fucking great, why were there 50% more deaths in 2021 than 2020 in the USA?https://amgreatness.com/2022/01/16/conspiracies-as-realities-realities-as-conspiracies/

Elvis 2008

01-17-22, 07:37

I also posted here before that I don't care if the vaccine is effective or not (it is a valid intervention), or who makes a profit from it, or any other theoretical ulterior motives. Unless you are some fringe conspiracy theorist who believes the vaccine does more harm than good, then for the purposes of this board, it doesn't' matter. I am here to fuck, lick and get sucked, and maybe spread a little love while doing it. I've had two vaccine shots and a booster. Before that, I went to a Covid party very early on in this morass and intentionally got infected, and it worked. Right now I am the prototype for the most immune you can possibly be to Covid and its variants.You are smug as hell and then you make two bird brained decisions. Why did you purposely get infected with a more virulent strain of Covid early on and then claimed "it worked"? Your getting sick is something to brag about? And why would you be dumb enough to get vaccinated 3 X after you have natural immunity?

And you worked for an insurance company that sold insurance and thinks that makes your opinion somehow better? Unreal. You should have read this thread and listened a little more.

JjBee62

01-17-22, 07:46

LOL. Facts Gene? Where the hell were you when JJBee had an embolic event and no anticoagulants were given?

And JJBee is still arguing for the vaccine. So tell me doctor, is it well known that the vaccine causes embolic events as well?

And maybe you can tell me why the vaccine is being mandated on people with prior infection seeing as how you know all about the standard of care especially those with prior embolic events.

Or maybe you can just keep kissing the government's ass while it artificially inflates Covid numbers and ignore all the mayhem the vaccines are causing.Where were you when I had an embolic event? Where was I? It amazes me how you continue to claim to know more about my health than I, or any of my doctors? For example, how do you know no anticoagulant was given?

Since you're the world's foremost expert on my health, tell me what the neurologist initially concluded after reviewing my MRI. Then you can tell us what revisions he made after my follow up appointment. Let's hear it.

No?

Let's move on to the vaccine causing embolic events. Primarily, that would be the AstraZeneca vaccine, and the numbers are truly horrifying.

As of November 427 recipients of the AstraZeneca vaccine had developed blood clots. That's 427 instances out of over 25 million doses. Almost all of the reported events were in women aged 50 or younger.

Since I'm not a woman, not aged 50 or younger and didn't receive either the AstraZeneca or the J&J vaccine, the embolic event I didn't have, if it existed anywhere outside of your feeble mind, probably couldn't have been blamed on any vaccine. Add in that almost all of the potentially vaccine induced embolic events occurred within 2 weeks of vaccination, and your idiotic assumption becomes even more idiotic.

Elvis 2008

01-17-22, 07:46

Whereas you are completely and demonstrably innumerate and can't even do basic arithmetic, as has been shown umpteen times on this thread. Hey Elvis, real quick, what's 8 times 7?Yeah, I do not do Democratic math. 1.5 % death rate from Covid? LOL.

Here is more Democratic math: https://nypost.com/2021/09/17/bill-maher-criticizes-liberal-media-over-covid-19-reporting/.

"The question was, 'What do you think the chances are that you would have to go to the hospital if you got COVID?' And Democrats thought that was, way higher than Republicans," Maher said. "The answer is between 1 percent and 5 percent. "

He said 41 percent of Democrats thought it was over 50 percent, while 28 percent thought it was between 20 percent and 49 percent of patients ending up in the hospital.

"Seventy percent of Democrats thought it was way, way, way higher than it really was," Maher added. "Liberal media has to take a little responsibility for that. For scaring the s out of people."

And that was before omicron.

You know Haucho maybe you can save some money and bunker up with Paulie or maybe not. The two of you might feed off each other and turn into even worse paranoid preppers than you already are.

JjBee62

01-17-22, 08:42

You mean 'continually,' not 'continuously.'No, I actually meant continuously, incessantly, without pause, rather than repetitively.

JjBee62

01-17-22, 08:57

A fake card would have to work twice, once at airport check and again at Colombia passport control. Your home country could impose a stiff fine and a place of shame on the no fly list. Pass the popcorn and let's watch the show. Some may have heard the breaking news about recently deported tennis pro Djokovic. He is banned from entering Australia for three years.What's your favorite? I really like the sweet and salty kettle corn, but the cheese flavored is good too. Bonus! Colombianas love popcorn.

The best part of the show will be when they all start crying about being stuck at home.

Elvis 2008

01-17-22, 09:44

Great interview. Espec the latter half. Elvis will love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ik6cxFBbBwJustTK,

I finally got to finish watching it. I admire this doctor's courage. It looks like he is up to date on things even mentioned he was wrong.

I will say what has been shocking to me here lately has how many people still think they need to get vaccinated if they have natural immunity. This doctor did not touch on that in his very rational discussion of who should get vaccinated and who should not.

If you have had Covid and have antibodies, you should not get vaccinated. I do not even know why this is a thing. So while I like his menu, that should be the first qualifier and he did not mention that.

Thing with this lunatic Huacho is he is saying that if you are unvaccinated you are an asshole. The CDC estimates that half the country has had Covid and it is growing by the day. Huacho has sucked down so much libtard paranoia he thinks natural immunity does not count. I hope he does not believe me because I rather like the idea of him staying in a bunker.

To me, the pandemic is over, and it is time to start to rationally call out who got it right and who got it wrong and what we do next.

If you get a chance, watch or listen to this: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0aZte37vtFTkYT7b0b04Qz.

I actually like him better than Dr. Malone but both are fantastic. These guys really, really know their stuff, and these people have put their asses on the line and IMO have been more right than anyone.

I have not heard anyone explain treatment better than Dr. Malone, and I think the reason he is controversial is that he demystifies the paranoia around Covid.

JjBee62

01-17-22, 11:39

No, I understood the first time. And I don't remember writing about not informing the hotel. Where did I write that?

The argument that is somehow trying to be made here is that SARS-CoV-2 is is a far more lethal virus than Ebola which is ridiculous.

If I had Ebola and rang up the Colombian health authorities to tell them that I can fucking guarantee you that it would trigger a massive emergency response with military coming to my location to roadblock the streets around my building and to isolate EVERYONE who I may have come in contact with.

It would make international news. It would be a huge problem, mostly for me since I would probably be dead in 72 hours.

COVID is a widespread, airborne virus that causes death in less than half a percent of those who contract it. So far it is LESS deadly than the 1918 H1N1 Influenza Pandemic.

As I wrote before you wouldn't choose Ebola over COVID and neither would anyone else. No one chooses their diseases but we all acknowledge the truly dangerous from the dangerous only if a series of circumstances happen to line up in a way for bad luck to occur. Again, please show me the stats regarding women under 30 dying of COVID.

You know COVID is highly survivable and the death toll is due to it affecting 1 billion humans and NOT killing 995,000,000 million of them.

I've made several trips to Colombia since late 2019 and I'm not dead or have gotten sick and neither have any of the young ladies whom I've kept company with (I would have gotten plenty of RFM if that had happened, believe me).

If you can point out the Colombian law that says "if you test positive for COVID-19 you must not be in physical contact with another human being or else you will be permanently banned from Colombia" that would be helpful (direct link please to a Colombian government webpage)..Decided to go all in with the stupid responses, didn't you? Excellent use of hyperbole, if using hyperbole was a good thing that is. Also fantastic job of failing to understand anything.

I never said you said you wouldn't inform the hotel. To the best of my recollection you didn't state whether or not you would inform the hotel.

No, the argument being made here isn't that SARS-CoV-2 is a more lethal virus than Ebola. That you think anyone said that is ridiculous. What I said is that Ebola is not something you are going to test positive for in Colombia. Widespread Ebola testing is not available in Colombia, because there has never been a case of Ebola in Colombia. Unless, after testing positive for Covid you decide to take a girl to Sierra Leone, you won't get Ebola and she won't get Ebola.

If you had Ebola, why would you inform the Colombian authorities? Your ass would be in west Africa and the Colombian authorities wouldn't give a shit.

Covid is less deadly than the 1918 epidemic. Has anyone informed you that medical technology and knowledge has progressed somewhat in the past 100 years?

There's no need to show you the stats for women dying of Covid under 30. Nobody said women under 30 are a high risk group. Someone at some point has explained to you how babies are made? I'm asking because you don't seem to grasp the idea of living ancestors, who are often much older than 30. Often those living ancestors, who are much older than 30 live with their descendants, who may be under 30. The same descendants who you want to infect with Covid.

I do know that most people survive Covid. I know most people survive car accidents, but I don't go out and deliberately cause car accidents because most people survive. What you don't seem to know is that Covid frequently has long term effects. Two of my friends were recently complaining about problems since having COVID. One can't drink caffeine beverages. Sends her pulse skyrocketing. The other one is complaining of frequent dizzy spells. Both are in their late 30's. They call it "long Covid" and it's very common.

I never mentioned your probability of getting sick. You asked the question about if you test positive. You could have made 400 trips and seen 3,000 women without testing positive. If you don't test positive, you can just get on the plane and fly back home.

I can't point out a Colombian law which contains your quote. Sorry, but they write laws in Colombia in Spanish. If I could find the news story, there was at least one tourist banished from Bogota, during the brief period when a 14 day quarantine was required to enter. There are also stories noting that foreigners attending parties during the shutdown would be expelled.

If you want answers to your questions, when you get tested, ask the testing location. I'm sure they can provide you with quarantine information.

Your last bit of stupidity is delightful. In a completely clueless way. Nobody said people get escorted to the Airport for inviting a woman to his apartment. Was that intentionally moronic, or are you suffering from a chronic cognitive difficulty?

If you report to the hotel that you tested positive for Covid, and then start having girls come to your room, the hotel may inform the police. Not because you're inviting girls over, because you tested positive and are supposed to be quarantined. If that happens what happens to you depends on the police, the Ministry of Salud and the Migration department.

Continue with your quest towards stupidity. I'm taking a break from explaining simple things to clueless fuckstains.