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I guess you missed the CDC director say last week what "conspiracy theorists" were saying for months. That the vaccine has a 0% effect on transmission.But of course you provide no source for this, probably because it isn't true.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-cdc-vaccines-idUSL1N2PB2WH
I guess you missed the CDC director say last week what "conspiracy theorists" were saying for months.
That the vaccine has a 0% effect on transmission.
But keep projecting and making justifications for the absolute failure of the vaccine.
Yea, it's the unvaxxed. Cultists are hilarious, looking from the outside in.Are you talking about this bit?
"what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission. So if you're going home to somebody who has not been vaccinated, somebody who can't get vaccinated. I would suggest you wear a mask in a public indoor setting," Walensky stated.
If you can find someone who can read, they can explain to you that she did not say "the vaccine has 0% effect on transmission. " She said something that has been known at least since June and suspected even earlier. She alluded to something which has been discussed here. If this site supported the use of crayons I would put it in terms you possibly could understand. Unfortunately, I'm stuck with using words and you've already proven such advanced communication techniques are beyond your capacity.
Let's start with another thing the CDC Director said in the same interview:
"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta with regard to severe illness and death. They prevent it," Walensky said.
Preventing severe illness and death is kind of important, at least to those of us who aren't already brain dead.
Back to whether or not vaccines reduce transmission. I use "reduce" because contrary to what you and the other brainless twats insist on, at no time was any vaccine promoted as being 100% effective and continuing to be 100% effective for life against any and all possible new variants. That's why they do studies, instead of just quote mining to find things to support their twisted, childish fantasies.
We knew in June that the original vaccines were less effective at preventing infection from the Delta variant. We know now the original vaccines are even less effective at preventing infection from the Omicron variant. However, we also know the vaccines are still very effective at preventing severe illness and death.
"If you're going home to someone who hasn't been vaccinated, who can't be vaccinated."
Home. A place where most people spend a great deal of time. If you share a home with someone, particularly someone who is unvaccinated, and one of you becomes infected with Covid, there's a strong possibility the infected person will pass the virus on to others living in the same home. This is because people who live together often spend extended periods of time in close proximity.
Let me explain it with something else you can't understand. Some casinos have an oversized, free slot machine. Everyone gets 1 free play on the machine. If you play once, you're chance of winning is very low. If you play it every 2 seconds for 8 hours per day, your chance of eventually winning approaches 100%.
If you are infected and you walk by someone on the street, your chance of infecting them is low. If you spend hours face to face with them your chance of transmission is much higher. If they are unvaccinated the chance is even higher.
The vaccines do 3 main things.
1. They reduce your risk of becoming infected.
2. They reduce the time you will be infectious if you become infected.
3. They reduce the risk of serious illness and death if you become infected.
Thing with this lunatic Huacho is he is saying that if you are unvaccinated you are an asshole. The CDC estimates that half the country has had Covid and it is growing by the day. Huacho has sucked down so much libtard paranoia he thinks natural immunity does not count. I hope he does not believe me because I rather like the idea of him staying in a bunker.
To me, the pandemic is over, and it is time to start to rationally call out who got it right and who got it wrong and what we do next.Yes, he has drunk a good measure of Kool-aid, as have many people in the world, and a good few here. It is not surprising though. Many educated and middle class people have been brought up as political and cultural conservatists. They still beleive what government tells them. This is why conservative governments rule vast swathes of the western world. Bcos sheeple drink the Kool-aid and are unable to fact from fiction, narratives constructed to push political aims. And the way governments have acted during this pandemic. I am not sure if there is any way back from it TBH. The lies they have told people, the false science they have all clung on to, the authoritarian legislation they have passed thru (mandates, shutting down dissent, fines, one for them-one rule for us), the complete failure of their policies. Simply bcos the science was never on the side. It is hard for me to see a way back to normality from this. There is going to be so much hatred of authority from this (not from me, I always hated them. Hehe).
Some people criticise China, Russia, over authoritarian rule. But the West is equally as bad. Previously they just oppressed other countries, but now they have turned on their own people.
JohnnyWalker55
01-18-22, 00:39
Are you talking about this bit?
"what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission. So if you're going home to somebody who has not been vaccinated, somebody who can't get vaccinated. I would suggest you wear a mask in a public indoor setting," Walensky stated.
If you can find someone who can read, they can explain to you that she did not say "the vaccine has 0% effect on transmission. " She said something that has been known at least since June and suspected even earlier. She alluded to something which has been discussed here. If this site supported the use of crayons I would put it in terms you possibly could understand. Unfortunately, I'm stuck with using words and you've already proven such advanced communication techniques are beyond your capacity.
Let's start with another thing the CDC Director said in the same interview:
"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta with regard to severe illness and death. They prevent it," Walensky said.
Preventing severe illness and death is kind of important, at least to those of us who aren't already brain dead.
Back to whether or not vaccines reduce transmission. I use "reduce" because contrary to what you and the other brainless twats insist on, at no time was any vaccine promoted as being 100% effective and continuing to be 100% effective for life against any and all possible new variants. That's why they do studies, instead of just quote mining to find things to support their twisted, childish fantasies.
We knew in June that the original vaccines were less effective at preventing infection from the Delta variant. We know now the original vaccines are even less effective at preventing infection from the Omicron variant. However, we also know the vaccines are still very effective at preventing severe illness and death..Keep clinging to the orwellian goal post changing from the cdc aka pfizers main mouthpiece.
You know what tells you it does nothing to reduce transmission, absolutely nothing?
Record cases in every western country, but it's funny more people are vaccinated than ever before.
And the vaccinated have to wear masks inside again.
Doesn't matter if you're boosted even here in Colombia.
It's like July 2020 all over again because people are obedient to unelected rule makers.
It wouldn't surprise me if you were a cuckold, since you like bending over so much for your "superiors".
But yes keep coping and projecting onto the unvaccinated.
No, I actually meant continuously, incessantly, without pause, rather than repetitively.Yeah well that ain't accurate because no one posts without pause. You'd like to be right here, because Elvis is quite a prolific poster, but you're not right. Continuous and incessant aren't the same thing. Very few things are actually continuous and internet chat postings certainly aren't.
Allow me to respond to Elvis by repeating that vaccine refusers are selfish fucking assholes. But of course Elvis, JackOffWalker, Mr International Disease Spreader, TK from Scandinavia, and so forth are so far down the misinformation rabbit hole that it really doesn't matter to them. Mr. International Disease Spreader is the biggest asshole because he admits to using a fake vaccination card. I think TK is doing that too, but he has not directly admitted it.
I just got boosted in the country where I live and they took my fingerprint. So my passport and my fingerprint are in the government system. I hope some of you vax card faking assholes come here and try to game the system. You'll get taken to the detention center at a place called Pavoncito. I doubt you'll enjoy it.
And if natural immunity was so great, why did dickhead Djokovic get re-infected?
If you take 20% of the best five guys answers and combine them into one, you come up with something that resembles the truth. No matter how sure of yourself you are, you are wrong.
If you take 20% of the best five guys answers and combine them into one, you come up with something that resembles the truth. No matter how sure of yourself you are, you are wrong.Says the Hotel Nutibara Tusi boy. Wink. But calling certain people 80% wrong is easy, while proving it is another matter. Roll up your sleeves.
Mr Enternational
01-18-22, 06:39
Mr. International Disease Spreader is the biggest asshole because he admits to using a fake vaccination card.
I just got boosted in the country where I live and they took my fingerprint. So my passport and my fingerprint are in the government system. I hope some of you vax card faking assholes come here and try to game the system. You'll get taken to the detention center at a place called Pavoncito. I doubt you'll enjoy it.Amazing that I am dating 4 nurses here that evidently love to get diseases spread inside of them. How do I get to that Pavoncito place? I am having a great time in Colombia and would like to check the place out. Oh sorry. I thought you meant the Pavoncito place was in Colombia. I see that it is in Guate. Funny I was there about 4 weeks ago and had no problem. Maybe this Pavoncito place is new or was not ready for a disease spreader like me. Maybe next time though! Sincerely, Your Asshole By Nature.
If you take 20% of the best five guys answers and combine them into one, you come up with something that resembles the truth. No matter how sure of yourself you are, you are wrong.And I would include myself in that group.
Keep clinging to the orwellian goal post changing from the cdc aka pfizers main mouthpiece.
You know what tells you it does nothing to reduce transmission, absolutely nothing?
Record cases in every western country, but it's funny more people are vaccinated than ever before.
And the vaccinated have to wear masks inside again.
Doesn't matter if you're boosted even here in Colombia.
It's like July 2020 all over again because people are obedient to unelected rule makers.
It wouldn't surprise me if you were a cuckold, since you like bending over so much for your "superiors".
But yes keep coping and projecting onto the unvaccinated.That's the spirit! Say you're not going to read something and then reply to it it's a classic technique used when your bullshit has been debunked.
I notice you're another one who has sexual fantasies about me. It's rather strange when guys on here publicly post their fantasies about me, but whatever it takes.
However, you might want to get someone to explain cuckold to you, as it has nothing to do with bending over. It also doesn't apply to someone who is not in some type of committed relationship.
Elvis 2008
01-18-22, 08:34
As of November 427 recipients of the AstraZeneca vaccine had developed blood clots. That's 427 instances out of over 25 million doses. Almost all of the reported events were in women aged 50 or younger.
Since I'm not a woman, not aged 50 or younger and didn't receive either the AstraZeneca or the J&J vaccine, the embolic event I didn't have, if it existed anywhere outside of your feeble mind, probably couldn't have been blamed on any vaccine. Add in that almost all of the potentially vaccine induced embolic events occurred within 2 weeks of vaccination, and your idiotic assumption becomes even more idiotic.I actually thought with the death certificate thing you might come around and understand that mathematical calculations are not worth a damned thing if the data is shit.
Gene is right about anticoagulants / heparin being the standard of care for the treatment of Covid. What I was making fun of him for was he knows damned well Covid cases are over counted and that no one with a blood clot and Covid is not being counted as a Covid death.
The other thing is that he speaking like he has this great knowledge about heparin when good doctors (unlike the ones you had) have been using heparin on all hospitalized Covid patients for years.
427 instances out of 25 million doses, and you believe that? Your comments cannot surprise me anymore.
JJBee, you remind me of the guy from Big Fan. Here you go and get vaccinated, think you are 95% protected, and travel. You do not lash out at the vaccine company for their shitty and fraudulent product. You blame your immune system and lash out at Republicans and do not want anyone to get the "conspiracy theory" that vaccine did not work when it totally failed you. Hell, the vaccine companies knew their shitty vaccines were not going to work for long. That is why they left two extra spaces for the subsequent vaccines on the vaccine cards, and you complied and got the third.
And then after having an embolic event, you convince yourself that a 3rd vaccine has benefit even when in your case it put you at a huge risk of side effects and has zero benefit for you at all.
Despite the government not educating you on what Covid is and how it kills and the vaccine company giving you a completely shitty and dangerous product, you are still defending both of them after all that.
The number of cases of Covid now are at an all time high, the death rate with vaccines in the USA was 50% higher in 2021 than 2020. The promise of the vaccines were complete and utter bullshit and now there is this backtracking.
So Biden and the media like the NYT play the one card they know will be a winner: blue states have less Covid and less Covid deaths than red ones, and you Democratic douches buy it hook, line, and sinker. Yeah, all would be great with Covid if not for those damned Republicans.
At this point, all I can do is marvel at the horrible judgments you make. You and Huacho and Paulie and Villiainy are so invested in the red-blue debate, you dummies are incapable of seeing any other colors. There is nothing I or anyone here can do to get you to change your mind. The only source you guys will listen to is your libtard friends.
Mr Enternational
01-18-22, 13:37
427 instances out of 25 million doses, and you believe that?Wow. My cousin needs to play the lottery. She was one of those 427 and at 50 years old looks like she just made the cutoff.
Wow. My cousin needs to play the lottery. She was one of those 427 and at 50 years old looks like she just made the cutoff.Wow! Do you recall me mentioning something about maybe occasionally posting something that wasn't complete bullshit? I see you're still not ready for such a drastic change.
The AstraZeneca vaccine, which had (up through October) 427 detected cases of blood clots in vaccine recipients is not authorized for use in the US.
Let me guess. Your cousin decided to go to another country to get vaccinated because she only wanted to get vaccinated with a vaccine which might pose a slightly greater health risk to her? Or maybe she lives in Kenya, but comes to play the lottery in the US every week?
I understand how some people feel the need to makeup stories to convince themselves they have some value. However, you should at least take 5 seconds to make sure your bullshit story is even possible.
Speaking of impossible bullshit stories, I'm still waiting on your explanation how the girl in Mexico who sent you her test results, managed to get infected twice in less than 1 month.
Since we're on the subject, also still waiting on the explanation why a world traveler, from the US, would go out clubbing in the US carrying only a Thai driver's license for identification.
Just one bit more. "Almost all the reported events were in women aged 50 and younger" doesn't define a limit. It merely identifies where most of the data points are located. For example if I say "almost all of the businesses in El Centro are closed after 8 pm", it doesn't mean that it's miraculous to find an open bar after 8 pm. It means a significant majority of all the businesses located in El Centro will be closed after 8 pm.
Don't worry. I'm sure there are some people who don't yet recognize you as nothing more than an overachieving bullshit spreader.
I actually thought with the death certificate thing you might come around and understand that mathematical calculations are not worth a damned thing if the data is shit.
Gene is right about anticoagulants / heparin being the standard of care for the treatment of Covid. What I was making fun of him for was he knows damned well Covid cases are over counted and that no one with a blood clot and Covid is not being counted as a Covid death.
The other thing is that he speaking like he has this great knowledge about heparin when good doctors (unlike the ones you had) have been using heparin on all hospitalized Covid patients for years.
427 instances out of 25 million doses, and you believe that? Your comments cannot surprise me anymore.
JJBee, you remind me of the guy from Big Fan. Here you go and get vaccinated, think you are 95% protected, and travel. You do not lash out at the vaccine company for their shitty and fraudulent product. You blame your immune system and lash out at Republicans and do not want anyone to get the "conspiracy theory" that vaccine did not work when it totally failed you. Hell, the vaccine companies knew their shitty vaccines were not going to work for long. That is why they left two extra spaces for the subsequent vaccines on the vaccine cards, and you complied and got the third..I see you once again tucked your tail between your legs and ran away from my question. What were the initial and revised conclusions from my neurologist? If you're going to continue to make your silly claims about my health, back them up.
You keep making claims about my medical history, when you've never even met me. You make claims about my doctor's, when you don't know anything about any of them. Then when I tell you to back up your claims you run around yelling about anything else to keep from facing the reality that you don't know a fucking thing.
Probably the funniest thing about your psychosis is how you constantly bite yourself on the ass and then blame it on someone else. In one post you claim all the data is garbage and in the next you say that nobody has studied the data like you have.
Any piece of information which goes against your delusion is automatically discounted, and any superfluous trash which can fit into your fantasy land gets permanently enshrined.
There is one bit that's even funnier. It's a combination of a few things. First, your obsession with making everything a Republican vs Democrat, Conservative vs liberal argument. Then you mix in the anti-vax vs vax campaign. Add in all the times when you've said masks were worthless, social distancing was worthless and masks are helping, social distancing is helping. It's like someone put on a DVD of Sybil and the DVD player is just randomly skipping forward and backward.
Now mix that in with your willingness to embrace anyone who in any way agrees with any of your psychotic rambling. Take JustTK who frequently blames all the world's problems on the US and on US conservatives in particular. He responds to you pointing out how conservatives are the biggest problem, and you hump his leg because he's anti-vax.
Sorry, but I'm going to limit myself to making fun of you until you either back up your claims about my health, or admit that you just make shit up. Since we both know you can't do the first and it's obvious your mental illness won't let you do the second. This should be fun.
Sorry, I've got some time to kill and don't feel like taking a nap.
I actually thought with the death certificate thing you might come around and understand that mathematical calculations are not worth a damned thing if the data is shit. Let's see if I understand what you were thinking. Because 1 anti-vax nut claims he has a buddy, whose sister allegedly died and a funeral director allegedly told the anonymous buddy of the anonymous anti-vax nut to get the doctor to attribute the cause of death to Covid, I would immediately assume that every Covid death was just faked for money? You should find some other hobby, because you're not really cut out for anything which requires thought.
What was the cause of the alleged death of the mystery sister? What was her Covid status? What were her symptoms? Who were her attending physicians? Who certified her death? What cause of death was originally entered? Did the physician agree to reissue the death certificate with a changed cause of death?
Those are just a few of the questions which require answers before deciding whether 1 death, out of 850 k deaths provides sufficient cause to reexamine all 850 k deaths. Actually, even if the alleged sister died from something completely unrelated to Covid, with 20 negative Covid tests and the doctor changed the death certificate without blinking, it doesn't invalidate 850 k other deaths. At the very least you need 8500 fully documented cases of deaths falsely attributed to Covid, in the US, to even suggest a problem with the numbers.
Even that doesn't show the numbers are inflated over 1000%, as you've claimed. You would need at least another 47,000 worldwide, fully documented cases of death wrongfully attributed to Covid, distributed by country, at 1% of registered deaths for each country to even suggest a statistical anomaly, although it would still be insignificant. To get to the level you have recently claimed, less than 80,000 Covid deaths in the US, you're going to need, at a bare minimum, 420,000 fully documented cases of doctors attributing deaths unrelated to Covid as caused by Covid.
As I'm sure I've mentioned before, that's always the problem with crackpot conspiracy theories shared by idiots. They require literally millions of people, without any coordination, without any incentive, to all behave in the same manner which puts their livelihood at risk. For what?
Let's look at the alleged doctor, mentioned by the anti-vax nut. What does he get out of it? $9,000 doesn't go far when you have a funeral to pay for. I doubt there's enough left over to bribe a doctor to do something which could cause professional problems.
How about the family? By getting the doctor to issue a false death certificate, they've given up their rights, all for $9,000. What if the death could have been attributed to a medical mistake? It's going to be impossible to go back and sue the hospital when you already had the death falsely attributed to Covid.
The conspiracy gets even more impossible if you think about it, assuming you had the ability to think. In order for it to work you need nearly every employee, in every hospital worldwide, nearly every employee at every health and life insurance company, plus every employee at every public health agency, plus every family member of every person whose death or serious illness was attributed to Covid to all agree to the same false story. Sure there's some overlap, but at a minimum 1 billion people have to all have agreed to pretend there's some disease called Covid.
MarquisdeSade1
01-19-22, 05:46
I actually thought with the death certificate thing you might come around and understand that mathematical calculations are not worth a damned thing if the data is shit.
Gene is right about anticoagulants / heparin being the standard of care for the treatment of Covid. What I was making fun of him for was he knows damned well Covid cases are over counted and that no one with a blood clot and Covid is not being counted as a Covid death.
The other thing is that he speaking like he has this great knowledge about heparin when good doctors (unlike the ones you had) have been using heparin on all hospitalized Covid patients for years.
427 instances out of 25 million doses, and you believe that? Your comments cannot surprise me anymore.
JJBee, you remind me of the guy from Big Fan. Here you go and get vaccinated, think you are 95% protected, and travel. You do not lash out at the vaccine company for their shitty and fraudulent product. You blame your immune system and lash out at Republicans and do not want anyone to get the "conspiracy theory" that vaccine did not work when it totally failed you. Hell, the vaccine companies knew their shitty vaccines were not going to work for long. That is why they left two extra spaces for the subsequent vaccines on the vaccine cards, and you complied and got the third.
And then after having an embolic event, you convince yourself that a 3rd vaccine has benefit even when in your case it put you at a huge risk of side effects and has zero benefit for you at all..https://amgreatness.com/2022/01/18/top-10-wealthiest-men-in-the-world-doubled-their-wealth-during-the-pandemic/
From the comment section.
Yachtman • 12 hours ago.
Kirk: Spock do we know anything about these humanoids? Spock: Yes Captain their population is huge, 7.7 billion. They have achieved limited space travel and have mastered digital communication. Kirk: Why has the United Federation been getting help pleas from them? Spock: After their industrial revolution a middle class was created that threatened the hegemonies of the ruling class. The ruling classes created political entities that sapped the wealth from the middle classes and distributed it to the lower classes. They called it Communism. Kirk: Where do they stand now who is calling for our help? Spock: We believe it is the subservient intellectuals that have figure out how to communicate with us. They talk of the oppression of the masses by a small elite group of hyper despots who have huge power and wealth. Kirk: How are they not overtaken by the masses? Spock: Their control over organizations and governments has grown over the past 40 years. They initiated a pandemic recently where they forced the people to be chemically inoculated. Their DNA was modified for submission. Kirk: We have run into other planets that have tried this and failed miserably, the TV audience has seen this! They boldly go where no men have gone before!
Elvis 2008
01-19-22, 06:46
I see you once again tucked your tail between your legs and ran away from my question. What were the initial and revised conclusions from my neurologist? If you're going to continue to make your silly claims about my health, back them up.LOL. Asking what is on your MRI is like asking what my blood pressure is right now. Given your smug attitude though, your neurologist first probably said you had a stroke or mini stroke, did a MRI, and it did not show anything, and he changed the diagnosis or more likely you thought you heard him change the diagnosis, and you want to come here and throw it in my face. "You were wrong, Elvis."
If that makes you feel better, have at it. If that is what happened, it changes nothing from what I have said previously, and I am not going into why.
You keep making claims about my medical history, when you've never even met me. You make claims about my doctor's, when you don't know anything about any of them.There are things you have said that you do not attach great importance to that I think are very significant. I just do not tell you what they are, but what do I know?
Then you mix in the anti-vax vs vax campaign and you hump JustTK's leg because he's anti-vax.I do no think you know my position on vaccines. Care to state it? Am I antivax or just antivax now?
Add in all the times when you've said masks were worthless, social distancing was worthless and masks are helping, social distancing is helping. It's like someone put on a DVD of Sybil and the DVD player is just randomly skipping forward and backward.If you think Biden or anyone's "plan" in government is working, then can I have some of whatever you are smoking?
Sorry, but I'm going to limit myself to making fun of you until you either back up your claims about my healthYeah, you really are scoring points with your knowledge and even more with your wisdom but hey maybe we can take an IQ test and if you score higher maybe everyone will think you know all about Covid and health care despite your personal history.
Elvis 2008
01-19-22, 07:40
Yes, he has drunk a good measure of Kool-aid, as have many people in the world, and a good few here. It is not surprising though. Many educated and middle class people have been brought up as political and cultural conservatists. They still beleive what government tells them. This is why conservative governments rule vast swathes of the western world. Bcos sheeple drink the Kool-aid and are unable to fact from fiction, narratives constructed to push political aims. And the way governments have acted during this pandemic. I am not sure if there is any way back from it TBH. The lies they have told people, the false science they have all clung on to, the authoritarian legislation they have passed thru (mandates, shutting down dissent, fines, one for them-one rule for us), the complete failure of their policies. Simply bcos the science was never on the side. It is hard for me to see a way back to normality from this. There is going to be so much hatred of authority from this (not from me, I always hated them. Hehe)..JustTK, I do not know if political title like conservative means that much. To me, most of the political leaders are narcissists, and they will tell you what you want to hear and drape themselves in whatever flag, liberal or conservative, that they need to so they get popular and get power. They make outlandish claims and promises that can never succeed and blame their enemies when they fail to meet those promises. In that sense, you are right. Biden and to a lesser degree Trump and Obama are cut from the same cloth as Putin and Xi.
What separates the USA is a spirit of dissent. The problem in our country now is the dissent now is not being directed at government or those in government being wrong but whatever your party you are not in. But even then I am not sure whether that is new or those foolish dissenters are getting more air time. The media model to make money is or rather was to sew partisan dissent.
What is happening now is a new model to get to the truth but that does allow media to make money, even huge money, is coming to be. Joe Rogan's interviews with Dr. Malone and McCollough have had an estimated audience of 40 million. Those are not super bowl ratings but playoff ratings. Matt Taibbi and Glen Greenwald are killing it now.
Huacho thinks imitating what a raging talking head on MSNBC says will make him popular because others will think he is knowledgeable about the virus. Is that new? I do not think so. I just think in the past people rolled their eyes at it, and they will again IMO.
This is a superb analysis of the Djorkovic saga by Glenn Greenwald, and a presentation on that this landmark decision means to Australia and the signals it sends to the rest of the world.
As I have said all along, this is a fight against creeping authoritarianism, not a bttle between left and right. It is right wing governments that are at the heart of this deeply foreboding shift to authritarianism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dJZuAHriNQ
Glenn Greenwald is a real shining beacon in a dark dark world of sycophantic jornalism. He is my facourite, along with John Pilger. He speaks honestly, and puts his own life at risk for the honour of doing the right thing (see Assange, Bolsoonaro, and other handlings of potent leaks). He is also proudly leftist, although the mainstream media have unbelievably and qiute disgustingly started to smear him as having lost his left values. He is so good in fact, that I am quite surprised he is still alive at this stage.
This is a superb analysis of the Djorkovic saga by Glenn Greenwald, and a presentation on that this landmark decision means to Australia and the signals it sends to the rest of the world.
As I have said all along, this is a fight against creeping authoritarianism, not a bttle between left and right. It is right wing governments that are at the heart of this deeply foreboding shift to authritarianism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dJZuAHriNQ
Glenn Greenwald is a real shining beacon in a dark dark world of sycophantic jornalism. He is my facourite, along with John Pilger. He speaks honestly, and puts his own life at risk for the honour of doing the right thing (see Assange, Bolsoonaro, and other handlings of potent leaks). He is also proudly leftist, although the mainstream media have unbelievably and qiute disgustingly started to smear him as having lost his left values. He is so good in fact, that I am quite surprised he is still alive at this stage.Check out Kim Iversen and Chris Marteson too.
PedroMorales
01-19-22, 13:33
Glenn Greenwald is a real shining beacon in a dark dark world of sycophantic jornalism. He is my facourite, along with John Pilger..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald#Personal_life.
Greenwald's favourites are cute, male Brazilian orphans.
John Pilger is 82. Not Greenwald's type.
If you get a chance, watch or listen to this: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0aZte37vtFTkYT7b0b04Qz.
I tried to watch it. He seems like a pretty knowledgeable fella. Its just not my area of interest. All that talk of side effects of the vaccines puts me to sleep. I accept that vaxes were rushed through and the research was potentially less than thorough, and that there may be some side effects.
But TBH my position wouldn't change if none of that was true.
Check out Kim Iversen and Chris Marteson too.Thanks a lot. I am always on the lookout for new (to me) and interesting channels to follow. I will give them a try.
Greenwald's favourites are cute, male Brazilian orphans.
Is that supposed to be a criticism of his work? He lives in Brazil and is married. He married a young Brazilan. What is wrong with that? Do you not prefer cute young Colombians (or Brazlians)?
JustTK, I do not know if political title like conservative means that much. To me, most of the political leaders are narcissists, and they will tell you what you want to hear and drape themselves in whatever flag, liberal or conservative, that they need to so they get popular and get power. They make outlandish claims and promises that can never succeed and blame their enemies when they fail to meet those promises. In that sense, you are right. Biden and to a lesser degree Trump and Obama are cut from the same cloth as Putin and Xi.
I always think of the west as a deeply conservatve culture. What I mean by that is that the people are happy with the status quo. They don't want meaningful change. They are part of the ruling western world, so why should they agitate for big change? All they have ever knpwn is that money is power. Only at times of great upheaval has there been any radical change. So since they are part of the powerful West, they are brought up in a self-centered culture, that thinks it has the right to exploit weaker nations. They pit themsleves first all time, they raised to be materialist and aspire to comsumption, and have almost zero empathy towards people of poorer countries. So yes, I agree. Narcissist. It is a very common characteristic of power. And within the political circles, it is a key attribute of success bcos it is what Big Money seeks to feed so that they can buy favours.
Is that supposed to be a criticism of his work? He lives in Brazil and is married. He married a young Brazilan. What is wrong with that? Do you not prefer cute young Colombians (or Brazlians)?I never try to rationalize anything PedroMorales writes but in this case, I think he is saying that GG prefers cigars to donuts. If you get my drift.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/past-covid-infection-protected-against-delta-but-vaccines-safest-to-prevent-dire-illness-cdc-says/ar-AASWP1d?li=BBnb7Kz
I'm sure the anti-vaxxers will jump on this. What is says is:
1) During Delta, people with prior infections and no vax did better than people with vax and no prior infection, in terms of infection rate.
2) But vaxxed still did better than unvaxxed with prior infections, in terms of HOSPITALIZATIONS.
3) People who'd had covid and were vaxxed did the best.
4) All this relates to Delta and cannot be extrapolated to Omicron.
From #1 and #3 I'd conclude that natural immunity certainly exists. I never said it didn't, just that I doubted it was as good as being vaxxed. So, this particular fairly large study contradicts what I said here. I'll own that. But focus on #2 and #3, and the conclusion is pretty clear: getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system.
#4, of course, is just disturbing but not surprising, since each variant seems fairly different. I'll just go with being double vaxxed and boosted and hope now that I've had three government microchips injected to control my brain and movements instead of just two, maybe they can form some kind of coalition government in my brain.
Elvis 2008
01-20-22, 07:21
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/past-covid-infection-protected-against-delta-but-vaccines-safest-to-prevent-dire-illness-cdc-says/ar-AASWP1d?li=BBnb7Kz
I'm sure the anti-vaxxers will jump on this. What is says is:
1) During Delta, people with prior infections and no vax did better than people with vax and no prior infection, in terms of infection rate.
2) But vaxxed still did better than unvaxxed with prior infections, in terms of HOSPITALIZATIONS.
3) People who'd had covid and were vaxxed did the best.Yeah, and Pfizer thanks you for the post. You see in this letter here the CDC says that they have no proof that anyone who has been infected with prior Covid has infected anyone else:
https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/12/cdc-admits-it-has-no-evidence-of-recovered-covid-patients-spreading-the-virus/
Then you look at the CDC's own site and they say reinfection is rare and they do not have reinfection data: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/reinfection.html.
"In general, reinfection means a person was infected (got sick) once, recovered, and then later became infected again. Based on what we know from similar viruses, some reinfections are expected."
So the CDC does do not have even one example of Covid reinfection. They know reinfection happens with other viruses though.
Then you have this study. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2108120.
Of 353,000 people who were sick with Covid, allegedly 1300 got reinfected and of those, 4 were hospitalized. None died and none were even in the ICU.
Yes, Haucho, you have drunk so much of the Kool Aid that you are cool with our spending money to vaccinate 353,000 people to prevent 4 reinfections that resulted in hospitalization. Maybe if 350,000 people get vaccinated, we can get that number down to 3.
The definition of reinfection "was defined as the first PCR-positive swab obtained at least 90 days after the primary infection."
But even that definition is not enough because you have to extract out those who have been reinfected versus those who have the virus reactivated. Here is a study where they showed that a number of "reinfected" patients actually were those in whom the virus was reactivated.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8604456/
And that 90 day cutoff was not sufficient to distinguish between reactivation and reinfection. So even 4 out of 353,000 may be too much.
At least in that study, they show 12 examples of people who had Covid and got infected later with a different strain. So there you go there are actually 12 people in the whole world who have been definitely been reinfected with Covid. Thing is that none had two severe infections.
As for why, the answer is here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8025942/.
It seems like if you have a mild case of Covid, your body might not produce any antibodies: This result was strongly associated with disease severity and presence of symptoms. Although 11% of 308 asymptomatic patients did not develop antibodies, none of the 79 patients hospitalized for COVID-19 were seronegative.
So when Dr. McCollough went on Joe Rogan's podcast and said that no one has ever been reinfected with Covid, you could point out that he is wrong here. What is better to say is that no one has proof that anyone has ever had two severe Covid infections and since the Covid vaccine is only supposed to prevent you from having severe disease, what the fuck is the point of giving it?
1) During Delta, people with prior infections and no vax did better than people with vax and no prior infection, in terms of infection rate.
2) But vaxxed still did better than unvaxxed with prior infections, in terms of HOSPITALIZATIONS.
3) People who'd had covid and were vaxxed did the best.
4) All this relates to Delta and cannot be extrapolated to Omicron.
From #1 and #3 I'd conclude that natural immunity certainly exists. I never said it didn't, just that I doubted it was as good as being vaxxed. So, this particular fairly large study contradicts what I said here. I'll own that. But focus on #2 and #3, and the conclusion is pretty clear: getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system.
#4, of course, is just disturbing but not surprising, since each variant seems fairly different.Thanks for posting this. It seems you are human after all. What I like is this: "But in terms of policy,. Immunity after infection is real, is durable". Because of that, "policy in the United States should be updated, like in many European countries, to allow for people to go to work, to go to school, if they have evidence of recovery of infection without requiring vaccination. ".
So there are many things to say about this. I will restrict myself to a couple.
1. During the Delta wave. The CDC and mainstream news were all pushing a lie. That the vaccine gives better protection that natural immunity. So now can we have recognition that the media and CDC do push lies in order to support their agendas?
2. The report does not cover length of time since vax. We all know efficacy wanes. Many people in the vaxd group would have been newly vaxd. Hence the performance in the stats will be overstated than if they had run the study now. And the results could (no doubt would) be entirely different.
So now do you accept that I, as a healthy person, have a right to decline a vax and take my risks with the virus? I prefer to seek natural immunity. Hell, I could even get a booster of natural immunity with Omicon! Hehe. My own body is my best defensive weapon.
It will be very interesting to see what the CDC publishes WRT Omicron. It says data will be released this week. . And we must all recognise by now that Omicron is just the latest. There will be many new variants in the future, each with their own set of outcomes. Do you plan to take a course in vax acupuncture to cover all your bases Huacho? Hehe.
LOL. Asking what is on your MRI is like asking what my blood pressure is right now. Given your smug attitude though, your neurologist first probably said you had a stroke or mini stroke, did a MRI, and it did not show anything, and he changed the diagnosis or more likely you thought you heard him change the diagnosis, and you want to come here and throw it in my face. "You were wrong, Elvis."
If that makes you feel better, have at it. If that is what happened, it changes nothing from what I have said previously, and I am not going into why.No. No. No. Don't run and hide. Don't crawl under your mommy's skirt and suck your thumb. What it's say in my medical record?
It's really quite simple. You've declared, more than once that I had a stroke, now backtracking to a mini-stroke. If I had a stroke, if there was any indication I had a stroke, that finding would be right there. What does it say? Any doctor, any nurse, even any medical transcriptionist can provide the standard medical phrasing for such a diagnosis. You keep pretending to be a doctor, so let's see it. What was the diagnosis?
There are things you have said that you do not attach great importance to that I think are very significant. I just do not tell you what they are, but what do I know?Ah yes the claim of secret knowledge. One of the classics. When you're pretending to know something which is just another of your delusions, do you tap your nose with your index finger, place your thumb on your chin, nod slowly and say "hmmm?" That's pretty standard. An old friend of mine would take off his glasses, put one of the earpieces up to his lip and do the "hmmm" and nod thing, when he was about to spout some bullshit.
Since of course a wizard of your caliber (0.177), would never reveal his secrets, I'll ask a different question. How do you know what I attach importance to?
I do no think you know my position on vaccines. Care to state it? Am I antivax or just antivax now?Your position on vaccines, in general, or specific vaccines doesn't matter to me. When a girl is blowing me, I'm not worried about her religious beliefs. I'm focusing on how well she's doing her job. You post garbage. Your opinion about the garbage you post is irrelevant.
If you think Biden or anyone's "plan" in government is working, then can I have some of whatever you are smoking?When have I ever mentioned Biden, Biden's plan or anyone's plan? I almost never mention anything about the government, or politics, especially not on this board. Perhaps you missed the purpose, but ISG is about helping guys in the quest to get laid. It's not here to discuss government, except where the government is concerned with the process of getting laid.
What I do discuss are things related to getting laid, particularly in Medellin. One of those things is personal safety. At this time, Covid and the questions about vaccination are a big part of personal safety while mongering.
When there are idiots, like you, claiming Covid is no worse than the flu, claiming the vaccines are totally ineffective and just generally providing bad information, which puts the lives of others at risk, I take offense.
Yeah, you really are scoring points with your knowledge and even more with your wisdom but hey maybe we can take an IQ test and if you score higher maybe everyone will think you know all about Covid and health care despite your personal history.It still impresses me how you can post a bunch of really stupid shit and then find something even more idiotic to close with.
I proposed a bet, more than once, IQ tests for both. If you wish to claim I'm stupid, put your money on it. The results have nothing to do with whether any post, by you or I, contains relevant, factual information. What kind of fool would think it would?
What does my medical history have to do with my knowledge? Are you suggesting that no cardiologist could ever have any type of heart disease? Urologists never get UTIs? Nutritionists never get fat?
This might surprise you, but viruses can't read. They don't read forums looking for people who don't know about them. They don't evaluate a potential host to decide how much that person knows before deciding to infect them.
This is terrific news.
A leader of the Israeli vax / COVID department saying that vax passports should be ended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnMMYJKZvnU
Basically he says Israel has made mistakes and they have learnt that vaxes do not work in the long term, and natural immunity gives better long term results. He also says with Omicron, the vax gives almost no immunity. BTW Isreal is on to the 4th jab and their cases are higher than ever.
And I would include myself in that group."By inference" I'd agree that 80% of what you believe is wrong. That's given your Hotel Nutibara rat hole, Parque Botero escapes and / or tusi induced hallucinations, etc. But do not project your limitations onto others. LOL.
So now do you accept that I, as a healthy person, have a right to decline a vax and take my risks with the virus? Of course not. To quote myself, the conclusion is pretty clear: getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system. So, you're still a selfish asshole.
Elvis 2008
01-21-22, 05:57
It's really quite simple. You've declared, more than once that I had a stroke, now backtracking to a mini-stroke.I did not say you had a stroke. Given the symptoms you listed here and what you shared here, assuming it was accurate, that was by far the most likely thing.
If I had a stroke, if there was any indication I had a stroke, that finding would be right there.Says who? https://wellbeingaotearoa.wordpress.com/2021/07/12/d-dimer-tests-show-at-least-62-percent-of-mrna-vaccinated-patients-have-microscopic-blood-clots-reports-dr-charles-hoffe-m-d/.
Dr. Charles Hoffe believes that the mRNA vaccines create microscopic blood clots in the capillaries of the vaccinated and at least 60 percent of mRNA based vaccine recipients could eventually succumb to heart failure. When the media claims that blood clots causing strokes and heart damage are very rare they refer to those (large ones) seen only CT scans, angiograms and MRIs. The clots Hoffe is talking about are microscropic and scattered throughout the body within the capillary network so they are not going to show up on any CT scan. The majority of the blood clots are microscopic and remain undetected, unless the-Dimer tests are performed within a specific timeframe.
And with Covid patients: Of the 287 patients with COVID-19, 92.3 percent of patients had plasma the-dimer levels of 0.05 g / ML. https://www.practiceupdate.com/content/d-dimer-level-not-useful-for-ruling-out-pe-in-covid-19-patients/124985.
At admission, 1823 (76%) study of Covid patients had raised the-dimer, https://acutecaretesting.org/en/journal-scans/d-dimer-testing-in-patients-with-covid-19.
I would ask what your the-dimer level JJBee but I would bet your doctors did not do one. And if you did say you had a the-dimer and it was normal, I would not believe you.
No one told you did not have a stroke or clot JJBee because no one could exclude it and certainly not in a patient with your history. So when most patients have an elevated the-dimer with Covid, how did you determine you did not have any clots or embolic events?
Your neurologist may have told you that your MRI was negative or that there was no evidence of stroke on your MRI and you danced for joy thinking I was wrong, but that does not mean you did not have a stroke or ministroke dummy.
A neurologist can catch shit if he does not take someone's license away with a neurological event. So you may attach great importance to what the neurologist wrote, but it is just an opinion based on what you told him and if he has half a brain, he is going to put down the most benign diagnosis he can think of. If you are still driving, he is not going to put down a diagnosis like stroke or ministroke because it can come back and bite him in the ass if you have a wreck.
John Clayton
01-21-22, 17:20
...Dr. Charles Hoffe believes that the mRNA vaccines create microscopic blood clots in the capillaries of the vaccinated a...This is simply false. There is no evidence for this at all. Hoffe is another in the line of anti-vaccine hucksters like Andrew Wakefield. In sum: there is no evidence, no science behind it, fake, a lie.
Elvis 2008
01-21-22, 18:36
This is simply false. There is no evidence for this at all. Hoffe is another in the line of anti-vaccine hucksters like Andrew Wakefield. In sum: there is no evidence, no science behind it, fake, a lie.Of course, there is evidence, John. The mRNA vaccines trick the body into making a spike protein. The immune system reacts to it in a very similar reaction like there is with Covid with inflammation and clotting. It has to or the vaccine would not work.
The vaccine manufacturers said the spike protein would just stay in the arm and if the clotting was just going on there, it is probably not going to hurt anyone, and they had support from the scientific community in the beginning.
The problem is research is showing that is not the case: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccine-researcher-admits-big-mistake-says-spike-protein-is-dangerous-toxin/.
Vaccine researchers had assumed that novel mRNA COVID vaccines would behave like "traditional" vaccines and the vaccine spike protein responsible for infection and its most severe symptoms would remain mostly in the vaccination site at the shoulder muscle. Instead, the Japanese data showed that the infamous spike protein of the coronavirus gets into the blood where it circulates for several days post-vaccination and then accumulated in organs and tissues including the spleen, bone marrow, the liver, adrenal glands, and in "quite high concentrations" in the ovaries.
And here is a study where the spike protein was found in the blood in 11 of 13 people who were vaccinated: https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075.
And you can do blood smears in Covid patients and those vaccinated and see the red blood cells clumping up in the exact same way.
This is simply false. There is no evidence for this at all. Hoffe is another in the line of anti-vaccine hucksters like Andrew Wakefield. In sum: there is no evidence, no science behind it, fake, a lie.Hoffe is a rural Canadian doctor with no expertise in epidemiology, virology or immunology. Which makes him exactly the kind of source Elvis would love. If a source agrees with the quackery that Elvis is preaching that source is elevated to "authority" status. Meanwhile well-informed opinions coming out of John Hopkins or the Mayo Clinic are just dismissed.
...the conclusion is pretty clear: getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system. So, you're still a selfish asshole.So you would also think that a person that does no exercise, a person that has a bad diet, a motorcycle rider, a smoker, a drug user, a person that fks girls without condoms, . Everyone that assesses a personal risk and decides its acceptable for themselves and the health system. Is a selfish arsehole? If not, then please name the trait that differentiates them.
So you would also think that a person that does no exercise, a person that has a bad diet, a motorcycle rider, a smoker, a drug user, a person that fks girls without condoms, . Everyone that assesses a personal risk and decides its acceptable for themselves and the health system. Is a selfish arsehole? If not, then please name the trait that differentiates them.A smoker who smokes around me is a selfish asshole, yes. Drug users, people with bad diets, etc. Does not affect me. COVID is contagious. A bad diet isn't. Any fucking moron should be able to differentiate. But you're not just any moron.
John Clayton
01-21-22, 23:46
Of course, there is evidence, John. The mRNA vaccines trick the body into making a spike protein. The immune system reacts to it in a very similar reaction like there is with Covid with inflammation and clotting. It has to or the vaccine would not work.
The vaccine manufacturers said the spike protein would just stay in the arm and if the clotting was just going on there, it is probably not going to hurt anyone, and they had support from the scientific community in the beginning.
The problem is research is showing that is not the case: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vaccine-researcher-admits-big-mistake-says-spike-protein-is-dangerous-toxin/.
Vaccine researchers had assumed that novel mRNA COVID vaccines would behave like "traditional" vaccines and the vaccine spike protein responsible for infection and its most severe symptoms would remain mostly in the vaccination site at the shoulder muscle. Instead, the Japanese data showed that the infamous spike protein of the coronavirus gets into the blood where it circulates for several days post-vaccination and then accumulated in organs and tissues including the spleen, bone marrow, the liver, adrenal glands, and in "quite high concentrations" in the ovaries.
And here is a study where the spike protein was found in the blood in 11 of 13 people who were vaccinated: https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075.
And you can do blood smears in Covid patients and those vaccinated and see the red blood cells clumping up in the exact same way.It's pure bullshit. You've learned a few phrases that sound plausible, but it's bullshit.
Mr Enternational
01-22-22, 00:52
I guess I was right about this. Who all turned out to be wrong? (Hint:JjBabbleOn who I expect will be marching into federal court by Wednesday to explain at length to the bench that, in short, they don't know shit from applebutter). Maybe they will be undischarging those military personnel that were unjustly fired.
Jan 21 (Reuters) - A judge in Texas ruled on Friday that President Joe Biden could not require federal employees to be vaccinated against the coronavirus and blocked the USA Government from disciplining employees who failed to comply.
Biden issued an order requiring about 3.5 million workers to get vaccinated by Nov. 22 barring a religious or medical accommodation or else face discipline or firing.
USA District Judge Jeffrey Brown said the question was whether Biden could "require millions of federal employees to undergo a medical procedure as a condition of their employment. That, under the current state of the law as just recently expressed by the Supreme Court, is a bridge too far. ".
ScatManDoo
01-22-22, 02:41
It's pure bullshit. You've learned a few phrases that sound plausible, but it's bullshit.You sound like you've been reading posts written by Elvis.
I guess I was right about this. Who all turned out to be wrong? (Hint:JjBabbleOn who I expect will be marching into federal court by Wednesday to explain at length to the bench that, in short, they don't know shit from applebutter). Maybe they will be undischarging those military personnel that were unjustly fired.
Jan 21 (Reuters) - A judge in Texas ruled on Friday that President Joe Biden could not require federal employees to be vaccinated against the coronavirus and blocked the USA Government from disciplining employees who failed to comply.
Biden issued an order requiring about 3.5 million workers to get vaccinated by Nov. 22 barring a religious or medical accommodation or else face discipline or firing.
USA District Judge Jeffrey Brown said the question was whether Biden could "require millions of federal employees to undergo a medical procedure as a condition of their employment. That, under the current state of the law as just recently expressed by the Supreme Court, is a bridge too far. ".Whereas any and all vax refusers are selfish assholes, current military who refuse are just unfathomable because they signed all those rights away when they enlisted. Retired military like you know this, and are just woofing because you're black and Tuskegee and yada fucken yada.
Mr Enternational
01-22-22, 04:35
Whereas any and all vax refusers are selfish assholes, current military who refuse are just unfathomable because they signed all those rights away when they enlisted. Retired military like you know this, and are just woofing because you're black and Tuskegee and yada fucken yada.Crazy shit is that I am in Peru with this nurse that works with covid patients. I have been messing with her 3 years and did not know she is a nurse. I always thought she was a firefighter. Turns out firefighting is her volunteer job (all firefighters in Peru are volunteers) but she is a full time nurse.
Anyway she was telling me about the place she works were actually apartments they built for the PanAm Games. They were converting them to normal apartments but when covid came they had to convert them to hospitals. There are 7 towers 19 floors each (1 building with 20 floors) , I think 21 rooms on each floor and they are full with covid patients. She says she has to take care of 3 floors on her shift.
We were fucking away this afternoon bareback style when she told me that she wanted this unvaccinated dick to cum in her mouth so she could swallow it. She did a damn good job too. I hoped she was not infecting me with covid from all those sick vaccinated people she takes care of so I had to take a test right after. It was negative of course. But I think that if she was carrying anything then this unvaccinated skeet skeet was the cure she needed.
Believe it or not, there is a lot of shit that can be learned and experienced in this world when a person decides to come out from hiding (from covid) in their mom's basement.
P.S. I went to the store to get a SIM card today. The girl working at the store had one of those lanyards around her neck with a plastic pouch. I could see she had a vaccination card from the USA. While I was standing in line outside she came and asked for my vaccination card so I could enter the store. I showed it to her. I said it is just like yours. She said yep; I went to USA to get vaccinated. Interesting she could not tell a difference in our cards.
About an hour later when me and my girl were eating dinner I asked her if she saw that weird sign on the door at the cellphone store that said no discrimination whatsoever is tolerated on these premises. She said yeah; funny they would say that and right in front of the sign get away with discriminating depending on who has a card and who doesn't. I told her that I like their style; fuck those rules!
P.P.S. My ex-girlfriend here also went to the USA like 1 year ago to get vaccinated. I got here and hit her up and she said that she can't see me because she is in quarantine due to her contracting covid. Selfish asshole abandoned her countrymen to go get a vaccine in another country and wound up getting covid! How you like them apples? Looks like that trip was a waste of money and time. That is what her ass gets for not coming to see me when she was there (although I don't believe I was in the country at the time anyway.) Why do damn near all the chicks I know in Lima have covid right now? Especially being that they are vaccinated.
P.P.P.S. I will buy your ticket to the USA to see you argue with the court about what rights current military have and do not have. Let them know that YOU are the law around these parts and you have spoken!
Cue JjBabbleOn entering to talk about how my entire day was a lie and to tell how it really went.
Elvis 2008
01-22-22, 05:29
It's pure bullshit. You've learned a few phrases that sound plausible, but it's bullshit.Sorry, John, are you saying that no one has had damaging clots after the vaccine? Because that would be pure bullshit.
For the record, I got vaccinated in early 2020 and have no regrets about doing so and did so for medical purposes. Even with the newer risk profiles, I would still have gotten it done then. The benefit was for my health based on what was going on at that time.
With the second shot, I was weary because of the reactions others were having to the vaccine so I spread out my doses. My arm pain was much more severe than the first one but my overall side effects were much less than other people I knew. I was glad that I spread out the vaccines and did not listen to the government.
The benefit-risk ratio I made was not done based on health but based on politics because I wanted to travel and knew vaccine passports were on the way. The benefit had nothing to do with health and everything to do with politics. And that should never happen with health care decisions!
The decisions on the booster and omicron were fucking nuts. There are too many people with natural immunity and the vaccinated community has antibodies levels all over the place. And given omicron was so much less potent than prior strains, I am not sure how you would prove benefit. As I said, you had teams that were 98% vaccinated, and 50% of the players came down with omicron.
There are clotting induced side effects with the vaccine. The question is how common are they. I do not agree that 62% of people have damaging clots after the Covid vaccine, but I do want to know about the-dimer, CRP levels, and blood smears showing roleaux formation. What % of people have elevated levels and for how long are they elevated? I want to know what those levels were not just in the vaccinated but in those 20 people who died after getting the vaccine and the FDA said their deaths were not vaccine related.
What is bullshit Jon is you do not have that data, and I do not have that data. And while you may be comfortable with the government monitoring system for side effects, I am not. I want the objective, raw data not their fucking opinions on cause of death.
We were fucking away this afternoon bareback style when she told me that she wanted this unvaccinated dick to cum in her mouth so she could swallow it. She did a damn good job too. I hoped she was not infecting me with covid from all those sick vaccinated people she takes care of so I had to take a test right after. It was negative of course. But I think that if she was carrying anything then this unvaccinated skeet skeet was the cure she needed.
About an hour later when me and my girl were eating dinner I asked her if she saw that weird sign on the door at the cellphone store that said no discrimination whatsoever is tolerated on these premises. She said yeah; funny they would say that and right in front of the sign get away with discriminating depending on who has a card and who doesn't. I told her that I like their style; fuck those rules!
.That was on another level. Am sure it will fly right over them. Hehe.
A smoker who smokes around me is a selfish asshole, yes. Drug users, people with bad diets, etc. Does not affect me. COVID is contagious. A bad diet isn't.You don't seem to be applying the same rational to your arguments. You said not having vax is selfish bcos it clogs up health system (thus denying other people access to critical health care).
So I asked you if you though my short list of items wer also selfish for the same reason. But then you switched argument and attacked them for different reasons, when that was not the question I put to you. So I ask again.
A person that does no exercise, a person that has a bad diet, a motorcycle rider, a smoker, a drug user, a person that fks girls without condoms, . Everyone that assesses a personal risk and decides its acceptable for themselves and the health system, is a selfish arsehole or not, for accepting the possibility that they might clog up the healthcare system? If not, then please name the trait that differentiates them.
Please answer straight. You are not allowed to attack them for other reasons. That is called DEFLECTING.
I wathced this short video last night, and it could not have been more appropriate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyJxdnOx7fA
You can add to that list of selfish people, according to Huacho logic -anyone that votes Rep or DemParty, bcos they implement policies to reduce access to healthcare and numbers of beds. This denying others access to critical healthcare, just like the non-vaxd do. According to Huacho logic.
Please, again, name the trait Huacho.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/covid-booster-shots-effective-against-severe-illness-from-omicron-cdc-studies-say/ar-AAT0UeZ?li=BBnbfcL
Please, again, name the trait Huacho.Contagion would be the differentiating trait. You fucking moron.
You said not having vax is selfish bcos it clogs up health system (thus denying other people access to critical health care).Nope, never said that. It's selfish but I never mentioned anything about denying other people access to critical health care. It does, of course, so thank you for pointing that out.
That is what her ass gets for not coming to see me when she was there (although I don't believe I was in the country at the time anyway.) Why do damn near all the chicks I know in Lima have covid right now? Especially being that they are vaccinated. Maybe it's just an excuse.
Nope, never said that. It's selfish but I never mentioned anything about denying other people access to critical health care. It does, of course, so thank you for pointing that out.No wonder we hardly agree on anything. Either you forget what you say, or you never meant what you said. This is the quote from you which prompted my reply:
"getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system. So, you're still a selfish asshole. ".
So you are calling out non-vaxd bcos of the effect on the health system. Clear as.
Be carefull who you call a fkn moron, especially when you can't even remember what you wrote the day before.
Mr Enternational
01-22-22, 19:46
Contagion would be the differentiating trait. You fucking moron.Ok you are changing up your argument to now say you believe vaccinated people are not contagious when they get covid. So the selfish assholes should get vaccinated so they will not be contagious to you. So the vaccine makes covid stay inside of the host. Yeah, best place for you seems to be the basement.
Ok you are changing up your argument to now say you believe vaccinated people are not contagious when they get covid. So the vaccine makes covid stay inside of the host. Yeah, best place for you seems to be the basement.Don't worry. He will probably forget his password next. So he won't be able to reply.
No wonder we hardly agree on anything. Either you forget what you say, or you never meant what you said. This is the quote from you which prompted my reply:
"getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system. So, you're still a selfish asshole. ".
So you are calling out non-vaxd bcos of the effect on the health system. Clear as.
Be carefull who you call a fkn moron, especially when you can't even remember what you wrote the day before.Actually, until you pointed out the other aspect, my thinking it was helping the hospital system simply by not spreading infections to other patients and health care workers. But you're correct it taxes the system by denying access as well. I just never said that, about denying access. You inferred it, probably because you know it's true. So, unvaccinated morons are really assholes in several ways. They're infecting others; they're taking up hospital and ICU beds unnecessarily; and they're also causing routine surgeries to be delayed, re-scheduled and so forth. I really thank you for expanding my thinking about all the various different ways you assholes are affecting the hospital system. I had only thought of the infection factor.
It's been almost two years and the vaccines have been fully approved and proven safe for at least a year. We're tired of all the bullshit excuses, all the weak reasoning, all the spurious website quotes, and all the politicization of a public health issue. We want you assholes to shut up, roll up your sleeves, and do what's right for society, instead of being selfish, needle-scared pussies.
Could we just rename this the JustTK thread? Whoever this clown is. Has anyone seen him in Medellin besides perhaps the Marquis de Twat? Just asking and thank you in advance.
Elvis 2008
01-23-22, 06:04
I don't like to go with hookers who do drugs, partly because I don't want to share my drugsSo you may fuck multiple women and may be spreading diseases, and you may end up in a hospital because of your selfish drug use, but you are virtuous because you got vaccinated?
You really are a legend in your own mind.
I guess I was right about this. Who all turned out to be wrong? (Hint:JjBabbleOn who I expect will be marching into federal court by Wednesday to explain at length to the bench that, in short, they don't know shit from applebutter). Maybe they will be undischarging those military personnel that were unjustly fired.
Jan 21 (Reuters) - A judge in Texas ruled on Friday that President Joe Biden could not require federal employees to be vaccinated against the coronavirus and blocked the USA Government from disciplining employees who failed to comply.
Biden issued an order requiring about 3.5 million workers to get vaccinated by Nov. 22 barring a religious or medical accommodation or else face discipline or firing.
USA District Judge Jeffrey Brown said the question was whether Biden could "require millions of federal employees to undergo a medical procedure as a condition of their employment..Damn. I guess I really hit a nerve calling out your bullshit. That's twice you've gone full on passive-aggressive in the past few days. Before I get to this latest bit of whiney bitching from you I'm still waiting for your answers:
1. How did your cousin get blood clots from a vaccine which has never been authorized for use in the US?
2. How is it possible for anyone to have 2 separate cases of Covid in less than 1 month?
Grow, or borrow a pair of testicles and admit to just making up shit, or answer the questions.
Now on to your current bit of stupidity. When did I ever state that any judge would never rule against any type of vaccine requirement? The only thing I've posted in any way related to this bit of idiocy from you, is that everyone in the military has long been required to submit to vaccination.
In what alternate reality would I be allowed to go into any court to argue against any ruling unless I was a lawyer who was representing one side of the case ruled upon by the judge?
According to your understanding, or lack thereof, a decision issued by a judge immediately becomes codified into law and can never be changed? You might want to get someone to explain it to you, because that's not how things work.
Don't you ever get tired of making a fool of yourself?
Whereas any and all vax refusers are selfish assholes, current military who refuse are just unfathomable because they signed all those rights away when they enlisted. Retired military like you know this, and are just woofing because you're black and Tuskegee and yada fucken yada.I'm pretty sure he's not retired military. At a guess, he did the minimum required 8 years and got out to get away from all the people laughing at him.
Cue JjBabbleOn entering to talk about how my entire day was a lie and to tell how it really went.Make that 3 bitchy little passive-aggressive posts. How's that cousin of yours who got blood clots from the AstraZeneca vaccine which has never been authorized for use in the US?
How about the miracle Mexican chick, who had 2 separate Covid infections in less than a month?
You know, if you didn't make shit up all the time, I wouldn't be calling you out for making shit up. You're the one who can stop the cycle. However, that would require the truth from you and that's probably not happening anytime soon.
Ok you are changing up your argument to now say you believe vaccinated people are not contagious when they get covid. So the selfish assholes should get vaccinated so they will not be contagious to you. So the vaccine makes covid stay inside of the host. Yeah, best place for you seems to be the basement.He didn't change his argument. It's a pretty simple argument which is probably beyond your ability to understand.
85% or more of hospitalizations for COVID are among the unvaccinated. If you're unvaccinated, haven't had a previous case of Covid, you're much more likely to end up taking up a bed at a hospital. Don't worry, they have beds for short, fat people.
You don't seem to be applying the same rational to your arguments. You said not having vax is selfish bcos it clogs up health system (thus denying other people access to critical health care).
So I asked you if you though my short list of items wer also selfish for the same reason. But then you switched argument and attacked them for different reasons, when that was not the question I put to you. So I ask again.
A person that does no exercise, a person that has a bad diet, a motorcycle rider, a smoker, a drug user, a person that fks girls without condoms, . Everyone that assesses a personal risk and decides its acceptable for themselves and the health system, is a selfish arsehole or not, for accepting the possibility that they might clog up the healthcare system? If not, then please name the trait that differentiates them.
Please answer straight. You are not allowed to attack them for other reasons. That is called DEFLECTING.
I wathced this short video last night, and it could not have been more appropriate:.Motorcycles- 79,000 injuries and 5,000 deaths, per year.
COVID - 2 days ago, 150,000 hospitalized, 2,000 deaths per day.
Bad diet and smokers. These two things generally take many years to cause health issues which require hospitalization. Getting infected with Covid takes a few seconds. And contrary to Mr 13 LSS (13 Letter Shit Spreader), getting a test immediately after exposure won't show you anything.
Drug users are the only class which applies.
People who don't use condoms? Urinary tract infections and STIs can mostly be treated without hospitalization.
Actually, until you pointed out the other aspect, my thinking it was helping the hospital system simply by not spreading infections to other patients and health care workers. But you're correct it taxes the system by denying access as well. I just never said that, about denying access.It's all the same thing. If I caught the virus, I could end up in hospital and clog up the health system. I could infect nurses and clog up the health system. I coudl give it other patients and clog up the health system. It all uses the health system and potentially denies access for others.
Just like if I drive a car, I could have an accident and clog up the health system, I miight hit a nurse and clog up the health system. I might cause another driver to have injuries and clog up the health system. All this uses the health system and potentially denies access for others.
So what is the difference? With the virus one could argue there is less risk bcos the nurse and patient should have a vax, right?
It has been 2 years. 2 years of me not infecting anyone. 2 years of vaxd people catching the virus and spreading it to others. 2 years of BS lies which you are slowly waking up to. The vax does nothing except help the weak to protect themselves. Well, many other things can do that. What a pussy vax. No thanks.
It's all the same thing. If I caught the virus, I could end up in hospital and clog up the health system. I could infect nurses and clog up the health system. I coudl give it other patients and clog up the health system. It all uses the health system and potentially denies access for others.
Just like if I drive a car, I could have an accident and clog up the health system, I miight hit a nurse and clog up the health system. I might cause another driver to have injuries and clog up the health system. All this uses the health system and potentially denies access for others.
So what is the difference? With the virus one could argue there is less risk bcos the nurse and patient should have a vax, right?
It has been 2 years. 2 years of me not infecting anyone. 2 years of vaxd people catching the virus and spreading it to others. 2 years of BS lies which you are slowly waking up to. The vax does nothing except help the weak to protect themselves. Well, many other things can do that. What a pussy vax. No thanks.Given that there is asymptomatic transmission, you, in fact, have no idea how many people you have infected (nor do I). That's just one of the many things you don't understand. So fuck all unvaccinated assholes, particularly those who choose to travel, and even more particularly those using fake documents.
That's all I have to say on this subject.
It's all the same thing. If I caught the virus, I could end up in hospital and clog up the health system. I could infect nurses and clog up the health system. I coudl give it other patients and clog up the health system. It all uses the health system and potentially denies access for others.
Just like if I drive a car, I could have an accident and clog up the health system, I miight hit a nurse and clog up the health system. I might cause another driver to have injuries and clog up the health system. All this uses the health system and potentially denies access for others.
So what is the difference? With the virus one could argue there is less risk bcos the nurse and patient should have a vax, right?
It has been 2 years. 2 years of me not infecting anyone. 2 years of vaxd people catching the virus and spreading it to others. 2 years of BS lies which you are slowly waking up to. The vax does nothing except help the weak to protect themselves. Well, many other things can do that. What a pussy vax. No thanks.They are all the same but I think you forgot to mention that after you hit the nurse, the nurse is going to hit the doctor, then the doctor is going to hit the patient, and the cycle continues, LOL.
They are all the same but I think you forgot to mention that after you hit the nurse, the nurse is going to hit the doctor, then the doctor is going to hit the patient, and the cycle continues, LOL.Only if you accept that you have a vax that doesn't work. Only if you have chosen an ineffective vax instead of natural immunity.
Mr Enternational
01-23-22, 21:36
1. How did your cousin get blood clots from0 a vaccine which has never been authorized for use in the US?Sorry BabbleOn. I told you that I don't read all that shit you babble on about. It was the Pfizer clot shot that affected my cousin. Has that one been authorized for use in the USA? I quoted from Elvis's post, which did not mention a particular name brand.
And contrary to Mr 13 LSS (13 Letter Shit Spreader), getting a test immediately after exposure won't show you anything.Hehehehe. I have not been worried about covid in the last 2 years and you actually believe I would be taking a test because I fucked a chick. The real stuff I write you say is fake and the joking shit I write you take as the truth. I took the test because it is required by Slow Biden to get on a plane entering the USA, not because of the chick. Duhhh.
Given that there is asymptomatic transmission, you, in fact, have no idea how many people you have infected (nor do I). That's just one of the many things you don't understand. So fuck all unvaccinated assholes, particularly those who choose to travel, and even more particularly those using fake documents.
That's all I have to say on this subject.Given that you said "people with prior infections and no vax did better than people with vax and no prior infection, in terms of infection rate" - surely its you that is a selfish arsehole by getting a vax when you sohuld have gone for natural immunity.
And I choose to travel so that I can donate some sperm and money to poor families. Surely its you that is a selfish arsehole by choosing to stay at home thinking that your protecting yourself.
That's all I have to say on this subject.
Mr Enternational
01-23-22, 22:49
How about the miracle Mexican chick, who had 2 separate Covid infections in less than a month?Mf I do not know. You think I am sitting around arguing with chicks I am fucking or trying to fuck about their medical records? I will give you her phone number if you want to call and argue with her about it. I could give a fuck less if she got gangrene in the same month as that other shit. I am not a doctor or virologist, nor am I trying to be. I am a lover.
Mf I do not know. You think I am sitting around arguing with chicks I am fucking or trying to fuck about their medical records? I will give you her phone number if you want to call and argue with her about it. I could give a fuck less if she got gangrene in the same month as that other shit. I am not a doctor or virologist, nor am I trying to be. I am a lover.Jajaja, but so is JujeBee, and so am I. Keep on Keepin' On. Free advice is generally worth just what you pay for it, but I would suggest you both stop calling each other out and give it a rest because your issues are getting clouded by what seems to be emotional anger statements.
This is the perfect example of why you should stop just making shit up. Because you end up forgetting the shit you fabricated and make yourself look even stupider.
Mf I do not know. You think I am sitting around arguing with chicks I am fucking or trying to fuck about their medical records? I will give you her phone number if you want to call and argue with her about it. I could give a fuck less if she got gangrene in the same month as that other shit. I am not a doctor or virologist, nor am I trying to be. I am a lover.Let me refresh your memory. You started with this:
Meanwhile I am talking to a Mexican chick that has been vaccinated and is currently on her second bout with covid in 1 month.Which I gave you an opportunity to back out of by that just because someone says something it doesn't make it true. That was a test. You failed. Your reply was:
Or better yet, maybe I should not believe the documents she showed me confirming this. Afterall, documents can be made to show anything. Yes; everything and everybody in this world is one big lie. I guess we should not believe your lies about getting covid after being vaccinated either.A person who is basically honest, when caught in a lie, will usually take an opportunity to back away without admitting to the lie. However, a dishonest person, one who lies constantly, will make up more lies to cover the original lie.
Keep on making up your silly shit and I'll keep on calling you out.
Sorry BabbleOn. I told you that I don't read all that shit you babble on about. It was the Pfizer clot shot that affected my cousin. Has that one been authorized for use in the USA? I quoted from Elvis's post, which did not mention a particular name brand.
Hehehehe. I have not been worried about covid in the last 2 years and you actually believe I would be taking a test because I fucked a chick. The real stuff I write you say is fake and the joking shit I write you take as the truth. I took the test because it is required by Slow Biden to get on a plane entering the USA, not because of the chick. Duhhh.You just keep on shooting yourself in the foot don't you? You make it so simple to show how full of shit you are. Before I get to showing how full of shit you are, just an editorial comment. You rarely write real stuff, so it's not too difficult to point out your bullshit.
Let's get to the business of you making a fool of yourself again.
The post you replied to, from Elvis, included a partial quote from my post. As the attached screenshot shows, the AstraZeneca vaccine is mentioned and rather hard to miss.
It gets even funnier when you decide, after failing to realize you had fucked up by claiming your cousin got blood clots from a vaccine she couldn't have received, to claim she got them from the Pfizer vaccine. If you had not been so fucking stupid, you could have made up that your cousin had gotten the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. There have been 57 instances of thrombosis in the 18 million people who received the J&J vaccine. However, between the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines there have only been 20 reported cases from over 700 million doses. That's extremely low odds. Ridiculously low odds. The equivalent would be having 10 people in your family who have won a lottery jackpot.
RamDavidson84
01-24-22, 22:53
Fuck lockdowns. Fuck vaccine mandates. Fuck false statistics about vaccine effectiveness. Fuck the divisiveness and toxicity of American politics. Let people be free in their "pursuit of happiness."
Mr Enternational
01-25-22, 03:39
Fuck lockdowns. Fuck vaccine mandates. Fuck false statistics about vaccine effectiveness.LOL. One of my chicks in Colombia just struck positive after having 3 doses. She said her 62 year old father has had zero doses and is as negative as can be. Yeah looks like the old saying is true about a sucker being born every minute.
Some of my Facebook girls (friends) are hustling hard, they are selling photos and videos now.
Do you guys have any experience paying for these? How to pay for them and are they unique or just does she send the same videos and photos to everyone? Since I'm not able to travel now I'm eager to buy some photos and videos from the girls. I know you can get porn for free online, but for me it's more like an investment to let the girls know you are serious and willing to spend some money on her and not be a dead fly in her friend list.
P.S. This is my first post, I've been a member for some time but never posted, I'm will try to be more active now.
Fuck lockdowns. Fuck vaccine mandates. Fuck false statistics about vaccine effectiveness. Fuck the divisiveness and toxicity of American politics. Let people be free in their "pursuit of happiness."If you believe certain statistics are false the burden is on you to demonstrate why. And none of the founding documents of the US offer a freedom to spread disease. In fact at the time they were written science had no developed germ theory and almost entirely erroneous ideas surrounding the spread of disease. I'll be blunt. You are a guy that likes to shoot off his mouth, but first you need to know what you are talking about. Invest some money and effort and get an education. And no, watching the evening Fox News propaganda hours doesn't count.
Only if you accept that you have a vax that doesn't work. Only if you have chosen an ineffective vax instead of natural immunity.I think you are smarter than that and you are only doing this to create or win an argument. The result is it makes both sides look like extremists.
You do know you are letting vaccine divide you, right? There is a full spectrum of behaviors. There are reckless vaccinated people and there are unvaccinated people who are very careful. It does not make sense to trash each other by vaccine status.
Jajaja, but so is JujeBee, and so am I. Keep on Keepin' On. Free advice is generally worth just what you pay for it, but I would suggest you both stop calling each other out and give it a rest because your issues are getting clouded by what seems to be emotional anger statements.I don't get angry on here. I do, at times get hyper-focused. For me, it's fun. However, I won't seek out opportunities to point out his silly fabrications without provocation. Except for just one more.
I missed another bit of your bullshit and it's worth pointing out. Here you say you don't read "all that shit", but you had to read all that shit I babble on about.
Sorry BabbleOn. I told you that I don't read all that shit you babble on about. It was the Pfizer clot shot that affected my cousin. Has that one been authorized for use in the USA? I quoted from Elvis's post, which did not mention a particular name brand. Here's where the problem lies:
427 instances out of 25 million doses, and you believe that? Your comments cannot surprise me anymore.This is what you quoted from Elvis's post and you replied:
Wow. My cousin needs to play the lottery. She was one of those 427 and at 50 years old looks like she just made the cutoff.The problem is, there was no mention of 50 years old in Elvis's post. That bit was only contained in my post, my post whoch clearly mentioned AstraZeneca and the 50 year age you referred to.
I've told you several times now. If you just stop making shit up, I'll stop calling you out for making shit up.
The story of Mary Mallon is instructive and should be read by all concerned with the morality of vaccines, quarantines, mandates, etc. It has a lot of parallels with modern day Latam.
Some of my Facebook girls (friends) are hustling hard, they are selling photos and videos now.
Do you guys have any experience paying for these? How to pay for them and are they unique or just does she send the same videos and photos to everyone? Since I'm not able to travel now I'm eager to buy some photos and videos from the girls. I know you can get porn for free online, but for me it's more like an investment to let the girls know you are serious and willing to spend some money on her and not be a dead fly in her friend list.
P.S. This is my first post, I've been a member for some time but never posted, I'm will try to be more active now.Short answer, it's a hustle and most the guys here will tell you to move on.
I have bought a video, even overpaid, tons of guys do it.
90+% (of the time, you should move on and begin your hook-up with a chica that requires zero outlay upfront.
But there are always exceptions, one-offs, unique circumstances, yadi yadi yadi, blah, blah, blah, that could justify buying a video or fotos or sending "some" money up front, meaning the ROI (Return on Investment) will be justified materially OR intangibly. That is your call and no one else can tell you when to do it and not to do it, and you may have to learn from your own mistakes, or you may be rewarded with dreams beyond your imagination. If you are new to the mongering game, you will probably trend towards the former because you will be an amateur pitted against professionals. Make it fun, don't spend more than you can afford, and you will have a great time.
Happy Hunting, and Keep On Keepin' On. Be as Active as you want. Oh fuck, I should add, I don't have a Facebook account, maybe I was talking out my ass, jajajaa.
I think you are smarter than that and you are only doing this to create or win an argument. The result is it makes both sides look like extremists.
You do know you are letting vaccine divide you, right? There is a full spectrum of behaviors. There are reckless vaccinated people and there are unvaccinated people who are very careful. It does not make sense to trash each other by vaccine status.Well, I was using Huacho logic and using his own rationale against him. Hehe.
Not sure what you mean by letting vaccine divide me. But I agree that we should not let vaccines divide us. I only argue about it to defend my own position and defend myself against those that attack non-vaxd people. Most people fail to consider nuance, Nounce. Hehe.
I don't get angry on here. I do, at times get hyper-focused. For me, it's fun. However, I won't seek out opportunities to point out his silly fabrications without provocation. Except for just one more.I have heard the same from other "heavy hitters" here. I guess it's my biased reading that interprets it as anger. I am not even sure why I should care. Well, I like to think of this place as part of my Happy Place experience that is Medellin. I'll stay out of it going forward.
Well, I was using Huacho logic and using his own rationale against him. Hehe.
Not sure what you mean by letting vaccine divide me. But I agree that we should not let vaccines divide us. I only argue about it to defend my own position and defend myself against those that attack non-vaxd people. Most people fail to consider nuance, Nounce. Hehe.My bad, it was not specifically about you, it is for me to explain the reason that I don't continue and to me it was all semantics anyway like what you are doing with H.
LOL. One of my chicks in Colombia just struck positive after having 3 doses. She said her 62 year old father has had zero doses and is as negative as can be.Maybe you should have a bigger sample if you want to prove that vaccines don't work.
Mr Enternational
01-25-22, 23:45
Maybe you should have a bigger sample if you want to prove that vaccines don't work.I do not want to prove that vaccines do not work. I am just saying that daily people I know that have gotten the vaccine are coming down with the disease, while people that I know that have not gotten the vaccine are doing fine. And here is another person today! Seems pretty weird.
RamDavidson84
01-26-22, 01:16
If you believe certain statistics are false the burden is on you to demonstrate why. And none of the founding documents of the US offer a freedom to spread disease. In fact at the time they were written science had no developed germ theory and almost entirely erroneous ideas surrounding the spread of disease. I'll be blunt. You are a guy that likes to shoot off his mouth, but first you need to know what you are talking about. Invest some money and effort and get an education. And no, watching the evening Fox News propaganda hours doesn't count.Burden? LOL. Dude I don't care that much. I judge shit by what I see in everyday life. As for you and JJB62, you lurk around here 24/7 scrounging through every little minute detail of guy's posts like Mr. E or JustTK, just to start an argument with them. It's so obvious you have absolutely nothing better to do with your life than live on this forum and spread hate to deal with your own transgressions. You appear very pathetic to me. Tell me, what do you do to contribute to your community and country that makes you so noble that you believe you have the right to label me as just some "uneducated guy who likes to shoot his mouth off"? I would bet you are some unemployed internet basement dwelling troll who couldn't lift a finger to help his neighbor, like most extreme left liberals who have nothing better to do than "hate" and "shame" instead of "contribute" and make a "difference."
Another one for Elvis.
Superb discussion. Have you heard much of Brett Weinstein? Intelligence is one thing he is not lacking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_KpBzFrcY
Did you also hear about the key stat coming out of UK? That of the 155.000 reported COVID deaths in UK since start of pandemic, only 17.000 were of people with no previous co-mobidities recognised (but perhaps they did have them, who knows? And the avge ag was 81+ years old. Astonishing. And where is the reporting? We all know by now.
GeneHickman
01-26-22, 06:38
Another one for Elvis.
Superb discussion. Have you heard much of Brett Weinstein? Intelligence is one thing he is not lacking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_KpBzFrcY
Did you also hear about the key stat coming out of UK? That of the 155.000 reported COVID deaths in UK since start of pandemic, only 17.000 were of people with no previous co-mobidities recognised (but perhaps they did have them, who knows? And the avge ag was 81+ years old. Astonishing. And where is the reporting? We all know by now.So 88% had comorbidities? The majority were old? What's the news here?
You do realize that average means many were younger too right?
Mr Enternational
01-26-22, 13:06
So 88% had comorbidities? The majority were old? What's the news here?
You do realize that average means many were younger too right?Many were younger as in 78 years old? You won't come up with an average of 81 with a bunch of 20, 40, or even 65 year olds. If you had 9 85 year olds and 1 20 year old, then the average would be 78.5. Or maybe your idea of many is less than 10% were younger.
MarquisdeSade1
01-26-22, 15:03
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/01/22/bari_weiss_pandemic_will_be_remembered_by_the_younger_generation_as_a_catastrophic_moral_crime.html
Many were younger as in 78 years old? You won't come up with an average of 81 with a bunch of 20, 40, or even 65 year olds.And does the article state whether the "average" is the mean or the median? Because the median of this series is also 81:16, 17,18, 81,81, 81,81.
Plus almost all old people have co-morbidities.
So 88% had comorbidities? The majority were old? What's the news here?
You do realize that average means many were younger too right?Yes, only 12% of the deaths had no REPORTED comorbidities, and the average age of those was 81+ years. Sure there no doubt were afew outliers, but there can't have been many for the avge to be 81+.
This is official news. It came from a Free of Information Application in UK. I don't know about you folks, but based solely on the evidence of the response from the UK Govt and these results, it seems to have been a huge overreaction and scaremongering to protect the old and fragile.
You do realize that average means many were younger too right?I don't see why it's even relevant. When did we just start letting old people die?
RamDavidson84
01-26-22, 20:04
I don't see why it's even relevant. When did we just start letting old people die?Old people die Huacho LOL. It's part of life. You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years. At this point anyone advocating for vaccine mandates or crazy restrictions is not thinking clearly and following the "science". Even besides the "science", the people have spoke, no one gives a fuck anymore. Let people live while they are healthy and if you are at risk, you should be the one quarantining. Not shutting society down for people who are on their death beds anyway.
Old people die Huacho LOL. Let people live while they are healthy and if you are at risk, you should be the one quarantining. Not shutting society down for people who are on their death beds anyway.I say we hunt them all down and shoot them. Or start some concentration camps in the countryside and send all the over 80's off on trains to their doom. Thats probably for the best.
RamDavidson84
01-26-22, 23:09
I say we hunt them all down and shoot them. Or start some concentration camps in the countryside and send all the over 80's off on trains to their doom. Thats probably for the best.Haha, that may be a little extreme for me. I only advocate for no vaccine mandates and no more senseless restrictions or covid travel tests.
What would obviously be much better than getting vaccinated would be to let a committee composed of TK and Ram. They could just review who was too old and feeble to be any fun any more and just shoot them. I'm pretty old but anyone who thinks I am feeble is cordially invited to show up and find out. Since this is ISG, I think 'old' should be defined as 'your dick does not work any more. ' I think it was Willie Nelson who said his greatest fear was outliving his dick. So when that has happened I will be fine with TK and Ram putting a bullet in my brain.
In the meantime, double vaxxed and boosted here, free to travel. You deniers can just continue to face more and more restrictions. I'm too old for that and don't have enough time left for restrictions. So I get vaxxed. No side effects for me. I think a majority of people talking about side effects fall into one of two categories: pussies who think a sore arm from an injection is a "side effect," and pussies who are too afraid of needles to get a shot, and seek any excuse to avoid it. So, combining the two categories, the common thread is that unvaxxed people are pussies.
GeneHickman
01-27-22, 12:10
Many were younger as in 78 years old? You won't come up with an average of 81 with a bunch of 20, 40, or even 65 year olds. If you had 9 85 year olds and 1 20 year old, then the average would be 78.5. Or maybe your idea of many is less than 10% were younger.When this thing is knocking off a bunch of 80's and 90's yr olds, like a significant majority then yes you can have many 40's, 50's and 60's and still land at 81.157 k is a large number. No one is arguing about whether this is more lethal in the elderly. But the mortality of the originally more lethal strains was all the way as high as 20% in the unvaxed 80+ yr olds and perhaps 0. 2% or less in the 40's. A hundred fold variance, but even then 1:500 is a larger risk than most for a 40 yr old when the discussed outcome is well, death.
double vaxxed and boosted ... No side effects for me. ... I'm pretty old but anyone who thinks I am feeble is cordially invited to show up and find out. Since this is ISG, I think 'old' should be defined as 'your dick does not work any more. ' I think it was Willie Nelson who said his greatest fear was outliving his dick. So when that has happened I will be fine with TK and Ram putting a bullet in my brain.
Who are you to say? Ever heard of the expression. A pig dones't smell its own shlt? Meaning people are not the best judges of their own characters.
Old is defined as when your dick no longer functions. Interestingly I am just watching a video on the subject of disability being a social construct. So for example, if you cannot walk (or FK in the case of people here), are you disabled? A strong argument can be made that a person is only disabled if society doesn't accommodate them very well. So 'the good life' can lived with viagra and you would be accommodated on that basis. Hehe.
I think a majority of people talking about side effects fall into one of two categories: pussies who think a sore arm from an injection is a "side effect," and pussies who are too afraid of needles to get a shot, and seek any excuse to avoid it. So, combining the two categories, the common thread is that unvaxxed people are pussies.I couldn't say. The only person I know of here that is concerned about side effects is Elvis, and he already got vaxd. Who else is there?
The only person I know of here that is concerned about side effects is Elvis, and he already got vaxd. Who else is there?I meant the majority of the general public, not the majority of we fairly crazed mongers on this board. I don't really think our cohort is very representative of the general public.
But the mortality of the originally more lethal strains was all the way as high as 20% in the unvaxed 80+ yr olds and perhaps 0. 2% or less in the 40's. A hundred fold variance, but even then 1:500 is a larger risk than most for a 40 yr old when the discussed outcome is well, death.Yes, but those are made up percentages, right Gene? Reuters say that the USA has had 50.000 deaths of people with no comorbidities. And stats show that only 58.000 deaths in USA have been people below 50 years old. I haven't see those stats combined in to one but would be interesting to know how few they are.
Thinking about these stats, one can see that the pandemic is really caused by poor health and the aged, right? Should the rest suffer for these 2 groups? ... and if so, for how long?
I don't see why it's even relevant. When did we just start letting old people die?80-90% of health care expenditures in the United States go towards hospitalization of old people in the final two years of their life. The USA spends double of any country in the world per capita on health care yet our outcome measures are not in the Top Ten. We also spend more on health care as a percentage (I think in the mid-twenties, not sure) of GDP than any other country in the world at an increasing rate that will eventually bankrupt the country. To me, you sound like someone who is making an emotional argument and projecting because you are in the age group under discussion.
The USA Ranks last in a measure of health care access and quality, indicating higher rates of amenable mortality than peer countries by the World Health Organization.
We have improved longevity without concentrating on quality of life.
One common error I see (of the many) argued here about Covid is that people confuse population health with individual health, or probably even more, don't understand the difference or even know there is a difference.
I won't respond directly to anyone's post about this, there is not one person taking an overall cohesive overall stance on this topic. The only recent post that came close was RamsButt or whatever his name is, his insane sounding rant was actually closer to the truth than anyone has acknowledged, but I think he is basing that on intuition and not knowledge, which is okay.
You are all a pack of rabid Pit Bulls who jumped into a pool of jungle piranha, and you don't know what you don't know.
Carry on like I know you will. Geez.
Mr Enternational
01-27-22, 17:37
Since this is ISG, I think 'old' should be defined as 'your dick does not work any more. ' I think it was Willie Nelson who said his greatest fear was outliving his dick. So when that has happened I will be fine with TK and Ram putting a bullet in my brain.Fuck that. It does not have to work to still let chicks suck on it a couple times a month. Sometimes it is the thought that counts.
In the meantime, double vaxxed and boosted here, You are behind the 8-ball you selfish 3-shot-having disease spreader. Don't you know that people who really care are on their 4th and 5th vax now? Catch up slacker.
It does not have to work to still let chicks suck on it a couple times a monthSometimes I think it feels better to me than when it's hard.
We have improved longevity without concentrating on quality of life.
I think this is the real cause of the pandemic and the reason I don't respect doctors. They treat the disease. They are merely prescription writers. They do nothing or very little to treat the cause of the illness / health issue. Although there are exceptions of course, they know little themselves about nutrition and healthy liftstyle. Just stick a bandage on it or pop sone pills. This is why we have this health crisis and so many vulnerables.
Elvis 2008
01-28-22, 06:44
I couldn't say. The only person I know of here that is concerned about side effects is Elvis, and he already got vaxd. Who else is there?Huacho is an irresponsible pussy. If he ever gets Covid, the first thing he is going to do is whine and blame everyone else. He is like Paulie. He lives in a fucking bunker but is busy telling everyone how it is while his life sucks.
I have had strep throat twice in my life, and it was horrible: fever, aches, throat on fire. I was out each time for 5 days and I knew I would be, and I still took every damned symptom reliever under the sun. From what I have seen, I would rather have omicron than strep throat, but there is no talking to these idiots. Before, I was like quit being so stupid, but I just got back from Cabo today and now I hope these fools stay stupid.
Thing is in December I was in Cancun, and cases were low, and it fucking sucked! The flights were packed there and it took me 90 minutes to get through customs and my gal 2 hours. Now I went to Cabo and Tulum and the flights were empty. The beaches were not crowded, and I got through customs everywhere in less than 5 minutes.
It made me happy that the idiots were staying home. I looked at all the wonderful things that have happened to me because of the pandemic and how I applied common sense and as far as I know have not been sick with Covid. I made it from the Mexico City airport to downtown in 15 minutes, and I got to Poblado from the Medellin airport in about the same time.
The tourist attraction Xplor in Cancun has amazing zip lines. I have since been when it was crowded and did only 3 total zip line rides. When Covid was in full bloom, I did 20+ twice! Mexico City has an amazing archeological museum. I bet it would have taken 8 hours to see it all if it is crowded; we did the whole thing in 2.
We have not talked too much about Colombia, but my take on Colombia is that the P4 P is not that great. What makes Colombian women special is how they treat their man. There are 10's in Colombia, and there are more there IMO than any other country save for Brazil. I remember seeing one and she stopped me in my tracks and not just because of her beauty but how nice she was. The thing is the great beauties are not easy to find.
A few of these women came out of the their hiding holes due to the pandemic, and I had a fucking ball with them. What I did not expect was to find a girl who looked like and had the dimensions of a Victoria Secret model and have her fall for me. Hell at least half of her suitors were out of the mix having checked themselves out due to their moronic paranoia. That these paranoid fools call others pussies and assholes cracks me up.
So I am in Cabo with my gal and a friend of mine, and he told me what all the Mexican guys were saying about us as we walked by them, and I wanted to say, "Yeah, dude, I am used to having guys honk their horns, crick their necks, and when we enter a restaurant, every guy stare at my gal. It is not new" but instead all I could muster was a "hmmm" when he told me what they said as if this was the first time I heard such comments.
The interesting thing about the Martenson and Weinstein podcast is that they get that Covid is just the start of things, and they are totally right these scientists are fucking with things they have no control over, but I already knew that. I have seen the government make horrific mistakes with health matters before. What gets me is how people keep letting government off the hook for their mistakes. Covid is the tip of the iceberg, and it is because the people responsible for it have escaped unscathed. But whatever happens, I know I will somehow adjust and come out ahead.
Still, it amazes me how many are still fighting with me. There is Elvis logic, Elvirus ETC. I could point out I was right about lockdowns, social distancing, and government stupidity and we could go back to the charts and data and fight it out. These fools still think that I was wrong.
But the best revenge is living a good life. So I prefer the night I had in Cabo: eating a delicious fresh shrimp taco, sipping a great margarita watching the sun go down over the fairly empty marina with this stunning creature who is head over heels for me. What I can say to everyone here is this is how I have done Covid. Has anybody else done it any better?
I spent some time in Medellin for New Year's. I am vaccinated, with a booster, and still ended up getting Covid. I had absolutely no symptoms. I went to the airport to leave and got my Covid test done at the airport. I tested positive. I didn't believe it. Regardless, they would not allow me to check in. I went back to my Airbnb and went to another lab that afternoon. I took a rapid test and a PCR. Both were positive. I had absolutely no symptoms. Earlier in the week I had a cough for two days. I thought that it was from being out in the rain and cool temperature at night. But I guess it wasn't. Anyway, I had to stay another week. Took another test and still tested positive. A doctor wrote me a letter of recovery because I had no symptoms. They allowed me to board the plane with a positive test and a letter saying I had recovered. When I got back to Arizona I took a PCR test. Again, tested positive. Had to be off work for 14 days. Took another test and was finally negative. I guess it depends on your immune system. Some people get it really badly and others don't.
Elvis 2008
01-28-22, 16:04
I spent some time in Medellin for New Year's. I am vaccinated, with a booster, and still ended up getting Covid. I had absolutely no symptoms. I went to the airport to leave and got my Covid test done at the airport. I tested positive. I didn't believe it. Regardless, they would not allow me to check in. I went back to my Airbnb and went to another lab that afternoon. I took a rapid test and a PCR. Both were positive. I had absolutely no symptoms. Earlier in the week I had a cough for two days. I thought that it was from being out in the rain and cool temperature at night. But I guess it wasn't. Anyway, I had to stay another week. Took another test and still tested positive. A doctor wrote me a letter of recovery because I had no symptoms. They allowed me to board the plane with a positive test and a letter saying I had recovered. When I got back to Arizona I took a PCR test. Again, tested positive. Had to be off work for 14 days. Took another test and was finally negative. I guess it depends on your immune system.Sure, that is in part your immune system, but that is a pretty typical case of omicron.
ChuchoLoco
01-28-22, 16:40
I spent some time in Medellin for New Year's. I am vaccinated, with a booster, and still ended up getting Covid. I had absolutely no symptoms. I went to the airport to leave and got my Covid test done at the airport. I tested positive. I didn't believe it. Regardless, they would not allow me to check in. I went back to my Airbnb and went to another lab that afternoon. I took a rapid test and a PCR. Both were positive. I had absolutely no symptoms. Earlier in the week I had a cough for two days. I thought that it was from being out in the rain and cool temperature at night. But I guess it wasn't. Anyway, I had to stay another week. Took another test and still tested positive. A doctor wrote me a letter of recovery because I had no symptoms. They allowed me to board the plane with a positive test and a letter saying I had recovered. When I got back to Arizona I took a PCR test. Again, tested positive. Had to be off work for 14 days. Took another test and was finally negative. I guess it depends on your immune system. Some people get it really badly and others don't.Well, I am at home ready to leave in next couple weeks and I got it too but with symptoms. I thought I wouldn't get it do to vaccination and booster plus I wear a N95 mask and stay away from people to make sure but I still got it and it was a potent flu feeling that I have t had in years. Just adding my experience to Capo's so others who may be vaxed and boosted will keep their guard up. Am seriously thinking about travel insurance now.
Shagmeister7777
01-28-22, 17:04
I have cancelled previous trips to Medellin due to safety concerns and have finally built up the courage to plan a trip. My biggest concern is being drugged with scopalamine or some other incapacitating chemical.
How does one take precautions apart from not leaving your drink unattended? Are there any precautions suggested while you have a girl in the room? Also, what kind of secondary phone should I buy that doesn't attract people with bad intentions? Obviously I won't be walking around with my Iphone 13 pro max. Thank you in advance for your input.
It's obvious here that your vaccines and booster helped facilitate an about symptom free experience. I say "about" because you mentioned a cough. Good job doing the right and courageous thing for yourself and others around you.
I spent some time in Medellin for New Year's. I am vaccinated, with a booster, and still ended up getting Covid. I had absolutely no symptoms. I went to the airport to leave and got my Covid test done at the airport. I tested positive. I didn't believe it. Regardless, they would not allow me to check in. I went back to my Airbnb and went to another lab that afternoon. I took a rapid test and a PCR. Both were positive. I had absolutely no symptoms. Earlier in the week I had a cough for two days. I thought that it was from being out in the rain and cool temperature at night. But I guess it wasn't. Anyway, I had to stay another week. Took another test and still tested positive. A doctor wrote me a letter of recovery because I had no symptoms. They allowed me to board the plane with a positive test and a letter saying I had recovered. When I got back to Arizona I took a PCR test. Again, tested positive. Had to be off work for 14 days. Took another test and was finally negative. I guess it depends on your immune system. Some people get it really badly and others don't.Timing is everything. Your story is a purrfekt example of why all the arguments about current state of Covid are moot. Covid right now is just one giant klusterfuk or Shitshow. The only thing we can hope for at this point is "lessons learned" for the next epidemic. Ostee Out.
You might want to start by framing your argument in what we should do different next time instead of trying to fix the unfixable. Love you guys.
How does one take precautions apart from not leaving your drink unattended? No further precautions are needed. The guys who get 'scoped' just didn't do that. Also I always discreetly rip a certain place on label (I only drink beer) to prevent bottle switching. Also I don't drink with more than one woman at a time.
It's obvious here that your vaccines and booster helped facilitate an about symptom free experience. I say "about" because you mentioned a cough. Good job doing the right and courageous thing for yourself and others around you.You fell for one of the oldest traps in the game, association is not necessarily causation. Your assumption is flawed. Next.
RamDavidson84
01-28-22, 21:49
80-90% of health care expenditures in the United States go towards hospitalization of old people in the final two years of their life. The USA spends double of any country in the world per capita on health care yet our outcome measures are not in the Top Ten. We also spend more on health care as a percentage (I think in the mid-twenties, not sure) of GDP than any other country in the world at an increasing rate that will eventually bankrupt the country. To me, you sound like someone who is making an emotional argument and projecting because you are in the age group under discussion.
The USA Ranks last in a measure of health care access and quality, indicating higher rates of amenable mortality than peer countries by the World Health Organization.
We have improved longevity without concentrating on quality of life.
One common error I see (of the many) argued here about Covid is that people confuse population health with individual health, or probably even more, don't understand the difference or even know there is a difference.
I won't respond directly to anyone's post about this, there is not one person taking an overall cohesive overall stance on this topic. The only recent post that came close was RamsButt or whatever his name is, his insane sounding rant was actually closer to the truth than anyone has acknowledged, but I think he is basing that on intuition and not knowledge, which is okay..Please explain what was crazy about my rant. I don't believe in vaccine mandates, lockdowns, or senseless restrictions at this point in the Pandemic. Hundreds of thousands of cases daily. Impossible to stop it now. Oseto, you also stated how you like to speak with the Trannies in Centro. To me that is a little crazy. Anyway, you messed up my forum name and called me Ramsbutt LOL, I would bet my last nickel, you are definitively the one getting rammed in the butt hahaha. Your posts always made me picture you as a junkie. Do you admit to a sex and drug addiction? Just curious bro. Love to all.
I have cancelled previous trips to Medellin due to safety concerns and have finally built up the courage to plan a trip. My biggest concern is being drugged with scopalamine or some other incapacitating chemical.
How does one take precautions apart from not leaving your drink unattended? Are there any precautions suggested while you have a girl in the room? Also, what kind of secondary phone should I buy that doesn't attract people with bad intentions? Obviously I won't be walking around with my Iphone 13 pro max. Thank you in advance for your input.You don't put anything in your body unless you had total control over it from the time it was opened. Like when you go to the airport and they ask you if you have been in complete control of your luggage from the time you started packing.
I did not follow my own rule once, a girl tried to drug me. Scopalamine like most medicines is very bitter. I tasted it, I told her to drink it first, she wouldn't, I fucked her.
If you have more than one girl in your room at a time make sure you keep eyes on both of them at all times. The most common trick is you will be in the shower while one is giving you a blowjob and the other is rifling through your stuff looking for money and valuables. Good luck, with a little common sense you should not get burned.
Elvis 2008
01-28-22, 22:43
Well, I am at home ready to leave in next couple weeks and I got it too but with symptoms. I thought I wouldn't get it do to vaccination and booster plus I wear a N95 mask and stay away from people to make sure but I still got it and it was a potent flu feeling that I have t had in years. Just adding my experience to Capo's so others who may be vaxed and boosted will keep their guard up. Am seriously thinking about travel insurance now.CL, there are two types of antibodies with Covid. https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-infection-antibodies-protection#part_1.
There are two types of antibodies that we can test for:
Anti-and tests look for antibodies that recognise a molecule inside the SARS-CoV-2 virus called the nucleocapsid (N). Anti- and antibodies are only produced if you've actually been infected with COVID-19 (natural infection).
Anti-S tests look for antibodies against the spike protein (S) on the surface of the virus; these antibodies can be present after both a natural infection and a vaccine. This is because COVID vaccines are based on the spike protein.
End of quote. You can go to your doctor and have blood drawn and have the anti-and antibodies checked. My understanding is that it is a cheap test.
Dr. McCollough's opinion was that if you had Covid, you have lifelong immunity, and I think that is in general a very accurate statement with some exceptions.
About 10% of people with mild illness like El Capo had do not form anti-and antibodies. If you were sicker, you probably formed them. If you do not form anti-and antibodies IMO, you can catch a new form of Covid again.
An infectious disease specialist walked into a room with a patient with active tuberculosis without a mask. He explained that he already had known tuberculosis and said, "I am not worried about catching his tuberculosis. My concern is that my immune system is keeping my tuberculosis in check. ".
80% of older guys on here have antibodies to HSV 1 including me. HSV 1 is the virus that causes cold sores. I have never had a cold sore in my life but I do not have to worry about catching this from someone else. My concern is the small amount of HSV1 virus I have, a colony, does not grow to the point I have an infection, and the reason that is not happening is my immune system is keeping it in check.
Another way to look at it is with the PCR testing: https://www.publichealthontario.ca/en/about/blog/2021/explained-covid19-pcr-testing-and-cycle-thresholds.
At PHO, we have developed a PCR test in our lab, with positive and negative cutoff points. The cutoff point for a positive result for PHO's developed lab test is 38 cycles. This means that if the virus is found at or before 38 cycles are completed, then the test is considered positive. The cutoff point for a negative result is 40 cycles. If the virus is detected between 38 and 40 cycles, we call this an indeterminate or inconclusive result. All inconclusive results are considered probable (likely) cases for public health reporting.
End of quote. The term negative means you think you do not have Covid but if they do 50 cycles, and they detect Covid, that means you do not have a Covid infection but a Covid colony, and you probably do have colonies of Covid left in your nasal passages.
The CDC does not distinguish between those who have anti-and antibodies and those who do not, and I think that is because they are profiting off the vaccine.
If I had my way and had anti-and antibodies, I would throw the mask in the trash, forget about social distancing, and refuse the vaccine. I do not have to work about other people's Covid. I have to worry about MY Covid, and that means keeping my immune system intact with all those boring things that are good for health: diet, exercise, sleep, lack of stress, regular health checkups ETC.
For the record, I would feel infinitely safer riding in an airplane with people with anti-and antibodies than the anti-S antibodies formed with the vaccine. As you can personally attest to, people with Anti-S antibodies get sick with Covid all the time.
ChuchoLoco
01-28-22, 23:42
CL, there are two types of antibodies with Covid. https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-infection-antibodies-protection#part_1.
There are two types of antibodies that we can test for:
Anti-and tests look for antibodies that recognise a molecule inside the SARS-CoV-2 virus called the nucleocapsid (N). Anti- and antibodies are only produced if you've actually been infected with COVID-19 (natural infection).
Anti-S tests look for antibodies against the spike protein (S) on the surface of the virus; these antibodies can be present after both a natural infection and a vaccine. This is because COVID vaccines are based on the spike protein.
End of quote. You can go to your doctor and have blood drawn and have the anti-and antibodies checked. My understanding is that it is a cheap test.
Dr. McCollough's opinion was that if you had Covid, you have lifelong immunity, and I think that is in general a very accurate statement with some exceptions.
About 10% of people with mild illness like El Capo had do not form anti-and antibodies. If you were sicker, you probably formed them. If you do not form anti-and antibodies IMO, you can catch a new form of Covid again..Very detailed report, Thanks E but above my comprehension now at my age. My test was at the hospital and qtip in my nose but not brain. Nurse said it was new version. From what I do understand, I am supposedly pretty well protected now. My sister the Biochemist would love reading your report. Anyway, I'm on my way down soon and am hoping for the best. My amigos and amigos say all. Ls good at the moment, entonces voy a ver. Also had a video visit with my MD today and she says I'm good to go. Thanks again!
I have cancelled previous trips to Medellin due to safety concerns and have finally built up the courage to plan a trip. My biggest concern is being drugged with scopalamine or some other incapacitating chemical.
How does one take precautions apart from not leaving your drink unattended? Are there any precautions suggested while you have a girl in the room? Also, what kind of secondary phone should I buy that doesn't attract people with bad intentions? Obviously I won't be walking around with my Iphone 13 pro max. Thank you in advance for your input.You will hear of the one or two times somebody got drugged over the last 6 months but not hear anything about the 1 or 200,000 dates that happened without incident. Nevertheless you can take certain precautions.
For example, if you stay in a hotel that checks the girl's cedula carefully and either photocopies the cedula (San Peter) or checks the cedula on-line (Dorado) (and others do this as well) the girl knows that if she pulls anything like drugging you to get your stuff that she will be vulnerable. Could she have a fake ID? Sure but both the places I mentioned do a very detailed check, which greatly reduces the possibility.
Alternatively, there is a very upscale love hotel called Thematic Luxury on Avenida 33 (or Calle 34). You have to check in and pay for the room and the girl (and you too) have to show ID. You pay for the room and go to your place and it has an electronic lock. You do your business and when you want to leave you have to notify the reception. They send someone up on the other side of the wall to verify that you didn't take anything from the mini-frig. But before reception sends the person up they insist on speaking to the guy. If the guy is incapacitated, guess what. They don't open the electronic door until they send a guard up to check. No girl is going to pull something like this when she won't be able to get out of the room. There are a lot of these upscale love-hotels and they generally operate the same way.
Most of the drugging's occur at a bar and the minute you look away someone can slip the mickey into your drink. So if you aren't comfortable, do your drinking in your hotel room with the protections in place. Or go there with your wingman.
Mr Enternational
01-29-22, 00:44
I have cancelled previous trips to Medellin due to safety concerns and have finally built up the courage to plan a trip. My biggest concern is being drugged with scopalamine or some other incapacitating chemical.You should probably stay home. The other day it happened to 3 businessmen in Santa Marta who are friends. If they could not protect each other, then you do not stand a chance alone.
"Tres personas que llegaron procedente de Bogotá a Santa Marta fueron, al parecer, escopolaminadas cuando iban a cumplir una cita de negocios. Los tres hombres solo recordaron a las 5 a.m. de este miércoles que estaban en una trocha cercana al aeropuerto Simón Bolívar y les habían robado sus pertenencias. Solo recuerdan que una persona en una camioneta los recogió para ir a la cita de negocio y desde entonces no recuerdan más nada. Lea toda la información en www.zonacero.com."
https://www.instagram.com/zonacerooficial/p/CZNYWNpP0DO/?utm_medium=share_sheet
Some of my Facebook girls (friends) are hustling hard, they are selling photos and videos now.
Do you guys have any experience paying for these? How to pay for them and are they unique or just does she send the same videos and photos to everyone? Since I'm not able to travel now I'm eager to buy some photos and videos from the girls. I know you can get porn for free online, but for me it's more like an investment to let the girls know you are serious and willing to spend some money on her and not be a dead fly in her friend list.
P.S. This is my first post, I've been a member for some time but never posted, I'm will try to be more active now.I've done it. In most cases you're getting the same videos as everyone else. In most cases, it's not a good investment if you think you'll profit with better service or a discount when you meet them. There are a rare few who will show their appreciation, but most will only remember you when they want more money. And they will always want more money.
If you're interested in buying videos, Facebook girls are a good option. You can get a more personal touch. If you're looking to meet up with girls, Facebook is a good option. However, you're better off keeping those 2 groups separate. You don't need to stay in contact with the girls, except when you're in Medellin. Just a quick note shortly before you arrive is sufficient.
Burden? LOL. Dude I don't care that much. I judge shit by what I see in everyday life. As for you and JJB62, you lurk around here 24/7 scrounging through every little minute detail of guy's posts like Mr. E or JustTK, just to start an argument with them. It's so obvious you have absolutely nothing better to do with your life than live on this forum and spread hate to deal with your own transgressions. You appear very pathetic to me. Tell me, what do you do to contribute to your community and country that makes you so noble that you believe you have the right to label me as just some "uneducated guy who likes to shoot his mouth off"? I would bet you are some unemployed internet basement dwelling troll who couldn't lift a finger to help his neighbor, like most extreme left liberals who have nothing better to do than "hate" and "shame" instead of "contribute" and make a "difference."Lurk around here 24/7? Nope. Some days I check in several times, often I go days without checking in at all. It all depends on my schedule and current interest.
I'm employed, usually putting in 70 hours per week, although 80-85 hours isn't unusual. I know you were mostly directing at Paulie, but I probably lift more fingers, more often, to help people out than you do. Last year my cash donations came up to almost 25% of my income (and none of that went to a church or other non-profit group). Even here, on ISG, that's what I do, offer help. If someone has a question, if I can, I answer it. If I'm in Medellin and someone has a problem, I help them. I've even gotten out of bed, gotten dressed and went down to help clear up a situation with a friend in need, when I was sick. I've played wingman for dozens of guys, taken them around El Centro, the casas, to restaurants, to explore the metro system, even up to Parque Arvi and Comuna 13.
If someone posts something which is wrong, or potentially dangerous, I respond. I respond because I've talked to guys who took bad advice and ended up wasting time and money, occasionally putting themselves at risk. All because someone posted some bullshit. Why should someone else find themselves in a bad situation because of the people on here who can't be trusted?
If you're so interested in "lifting a finger" to help a neighbor, why aren't you doing the same thing? Instead of speaking out against the bullshit and lies, you support them. How much have you contributed? How big of a difference have you made? Go hop over into the Medellin thread and search for posts which mention your handle. How many times has someone publicly thanked you for helping them out?
Now compare that number (0) to the number of posts where you've insulted others, attacked others. How many of your attacks contain any truth? For example, Paulie is well educated. Read any of his posts and his education is quite obvious.
RamDavidson84
01-29-22, 04:57
Lurk around here 24/7? Nope. Some days I check in several times, often I go days without checking in at all. It all depends on my schedule and current interest.
I'm employed, usually putting in 70 hours per week, although 80-85 hours isn't unusual. I know you were mostly directing at Paulie, but I probably lift more fingers, more often, to help people out than you do. Last year my cash donations came up to almost 25% of my income (and none of that went to a church or other non-profit group). Even here, on ISG, that's what I do, offer help. If someone has a question, if I can, I answer it. If I'm in Medellin and someone has a problem, I help them. I've even gotten out of bed, gotten dressed and went down to help clear up a situation with a friend in need, when I was sick. I've played wingman for dozens of guys, taken them around El Centro, the casas, to restaurants, to explore the metro system, even up to Parque Arvi and Comuna 13..I rarely start the bullshit, this time I did because every time I hop on this forum, your posting away tearing into people. You going at Mr. E hard like a weirdo. You did the same to me a few weeks back. You pick out the smallest most insignificant things to criticize people about and its just weird bro. I never spit any false info. Look, the vaccines were not what they were promised to be. That's a simple fact. I am not anti vaccine, as I have stated so many times. I just don't think they should be mandatory and I think the vaccine shaming needs to stop, its not healthy for society. Is that so bad? And if you are still advocating lockdowns and travel restrictions at this point, I think your judgement is very clouded by your bias.
And if you donating 25% of your income after you pay your income and property tax, then you are an idiot LOL. 25% That's a little excessive man, unless you are making close to half a million a year, and if you are god bless you, but I highly fucking doubt that because it seems you spend way too much time on this forum. If I was making that dough, I certainly wouldn't be wasting a dozen posts a day on this forum like it seems you do.
I am no saint, and I would never claim to be. I do work a full time career helping people daily which required 6 years of education and other credentials as well. I pay my taxes and most of the time I am decent citizen and member of the community. I draw the line right there though, LOL I am definitely not donating 30-40 thousand a year to charity though lololol. Hell no! Love you guys so much, you make me so warm and fuzzy inside, especially T-king Osteo haha.
I cannot teach the unteachable, but I am willing to look at that as my inadequacy and not yours, so I will try and give you the basics on the background info you need to understand what is going on with Covid.
I am going to write this once, on the fly. I will not spend any extra time doing revisions, there will be errors of omission, and it will be far from purrfekt.
First off, to properly understand the issue, do you:
Have a basic understanding of population statistics, a bell curve, and standard deviations? Do you understand the important difference between a median and a mean (or average). Do you have the judgment to accurately identify and determine significant from insignificant variables?
Know the two basic immune systems of the human body, cellular and humoral, the main differences and which system has immune memory? Do you understand physiological cascades? Do you understand how vaccines work?
Off the top of your head can you name at least two of the most successful vaccines of all time? Which disease has been officially eradicated from earth solely due to vaccinations, and what other horrible disease is about to be wiped off the planet next due to vaccines? Do you even know the difference between and antigen and an antibody? What are the only two vaccines used to prevent STD's (Sexually Transmitted Diseases) and are they working? Can you describe the difference between a successful vaccine program and not?
Understand what makes a screening test valid, and acceptable margins of error on test results? Can you accurately apply the concepts of sensitivity, specificity, negative predictive value, and positive predictive value?
Have a basic working knowledge of pharmacodynamics, pharmacokinectics, and pharmacoeconomics? Do you understand the different classes and types of medical treatments that are being offered to treat Covid in addition to the vaccines?
Do you know what defines side effects? Do you understand the difference between outliers and sentinel events? Do you know what defines a successful vaccine program, for example, what are the threshold levels and how do you use attack rate to determine those thresholds?
Do you have a general understanding of how health care is delivered in the United States, for example, who depends on private insurance, Medicaid, Medicare or the military, or how the uninsured get their vaccines? Do you understand the difference between delivering and assessing individual and population health interventions and outcomes?
Do you understand the inherent flaws introduced by the testing techniques being used for Covid, the differences in the results of the different types of testing, and how this all introduces error in the data results, including error introduction inherent in the reporting process itself?
Do you recognize your own personal biases that you interject into your argument? Do you have any idea about what it is you don't know? Knowing what you don't know is one of the highest, if not the highest levels of intellectual functioning, right next to Synthesis. Knowledge, Comprehension, and Analysis are lower levels.
Do you have any real world, professional, or educational experience and training about vaccines and public health other than just what you "read about" on the Internet and elsewhere? Do you understand mutations and their effect on testing results, and more importantly, on clinical outcomes? Do you or should you care that Covid vaccines may need to be repeated indefinitely and why?
I am sure I left at least a few more topics out, but this should give you an idea of the complexity of the Covid issue.
I will give you a minute to chew on this before my closing post about this subject.
Elvis 2008
01-29-22, 05:25
Very detailed report, Thanks E but above my comprehension now at my age. My test was at the hospital and qtip in my nose but not brain. Nurse said it was new version. From what I do understand, I am supposedly pretty well protected now. My sister the Biochemist would love reading your report. Anyway, I'm on my way down soon and am hoping for the best. My amigos and amigos say all. Ls good at the moment, entonces voy a ver. Also had a video visit with my MD today and she says I'm good to go. Thanks again!LOL. I should have done the cliff notes version. Yeah, I agree you are protected from getting Covid from someone else. Do not worry about travel insurance, a booster, or anything Covid related and have a great time.
The other topic that popped into my head after my previous post was, do you understand the demographics of the most effected population cohorts from Covid, and the implications that has on a vaccine program? Do you understand the contribution and burden of health care costs of those effected populations? Who is the largest single payer of health care services and durable medical equipment in the world?
Elvis 2008
01-29-22, 06:13
One common error I see (of the many) argued here about Covid is that people confuse population health with individual health, or probably even more, don't understand the difference or even know there is a difference.
I won't respond directly to anyone's post about this, there is not one person taking an overall cohesive overall stance on this topic. The only recent post that came close was RamsButt or whatever his name is, his insane sounding rant was actually closer to the truth than anyone has acknowledged, but I think he is basing that on intuition and not knowledge, which is okay.
You are all a pack of rabid Pit Bulls who jumped into a pool of jungle piranha, and you don't know what you don't know.
Carry on like I know you will. Geez.I know most people do not click on links, but this post above is what I like to call a giraffe. There was this wonderful British TV comedy called the Simple Life, and if you watch here from the 8:08 mark to about the 14 minute mark, you will see what I mean by the term giraffe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RPLX9w2d5E.
Bonus points if you can pick out which of the three men is Osteo.
Null and Void. Frick and Frack. Klackkity Klack. Poetry. ISG at the same time becomes the most meaningless and important construct in my life. Go figure.
There was this wonderful British TV comedy called the Simple Life.The Good Life. And the real star of the show wasn't even in those 6 minutes!
ChuchoLoco
01-29-22, 21:10
LOL. I should have done the cliff notes version. Yeah, I agree you are protected from getting Covid from someone else. Do not worry about travel insurance, a booster, or anything Covid related and have a great time.I will try like hell. Have succeeded so far. First time was in '73. Man was it different. Then. So much smaller and Parque Bolivar was the place to hangout especially at night. I just drive through in a taxi now just to see From Dusk till Dawn in person, hahahah. Thanks for the positive send off.
Please explain what was crazy about my rant..I associate them together, it is my read, don't know what he meant.
... I see (of the many) argued here about Covid is that people confuse population health with individual health.
... The only recent post that came close was RamsButt or whatever his name is, his insane sounding rant was actually closer to the truth than anyone has acknowledged ...
Old people die Huacho LOL. It's part of life. You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years...
ChuchoLoco
01-29-22, 21:51
Old people die Huacho LOL. It's part of life. You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years. At this point anyone advocating for vaccine mandates or crazy restrictions is not thinking clearly and following the "science". Even besides the "science", the people have spoke, no one gives a fuck anymore. Let people live while they are healthy and if you are at risk, you should be the one quarantining. Not shutting society down for people who are on their death beds anyway.What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.
What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.I never accept that I am old. But if I live much longer, I can't pretend for many more years. BUt one thing is for sure. I certainly would not be so selfish as to ruin children's education, and to impose on the every day freedoms that younger people should have, just bcos I were be at a higher risk. That would be smthg that I must manage, not expect everyone else to suffer for.
Elvis 2008
01-29-22, 22:19
The Good Life. And the real star of the show wasn't even in those 6 minutes!Right my bad. It was the Good life, and Felicity Kendal, the real star, was the second winner of rear of the year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear_of_the_Year.
It is amazing that contest is still going on in these days of PC.
Thing about Osteo's proclamation about truth is that you look at all these people who were wrong:
Joe Biden: You're Not Going To Get COVID If You Have These Vaccinations.
Tony Fauci: You Become A Dead End To The Virus.
Rochelle Walensky: "Vaccinated People Do Not Carry The Virus They Don't Get Sick. "
Alberta Bourla: "The COVID-19 vaccine was 100% effective in preventing #COVID19 cases in South Africa. 100%.
Bill Gates: "A key goal of the vaccination program is to stop transmission. "
Rachel Maddow: "Now we know that the virus stops with every vaccinated person. "
Francis Collins: "'Reason to be pretty optimistic' that the available COVID-19 vaccines will be effective against the new Omicron variant of the virus; All of the other variants that have emerged during this COVID-19 pandemic have shown response to the vaccine, including Delta.
Brian Stelter: "The newspaper USA Today describes 'America's fourth Covid-19 surge,' noting this 'didn't have to happen,' since vaccinations are so widely available. The headlines are followed by a call to action: 'Let's end it now. '
Then you have this jewel from Adam Carolla: "You closed the beaches down, you closed the schools down, cloth masks were going to save us all, the vaccine was going to be effective, natural immunity wasn't effective what have you been right about?
The comedian then asserted that he would be confident in putting Joe Rogan's batting average up against CNN's batting average "any day of the week," referring to CNN's infamous dismissal of Ivermectin as horse dewormer.
The irony about that is we have had people here saying, "Well, you know, the lockdowns / vaccines / whatever were never predicted to get rid of Covid. "
Of course, it is not Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is just allowing doctors like Dr. Malone and McCollough, who IMO have been way closer to the truth than anyone else, to be allowed to speak because censorship has been off the chain.
I myself did not see the waves every 3 months coming with Corona (not sure who did though) and have kicked myself for not being educated on the natural history of viruses. So I made a decision on being vaccinated without knowing all that I should have. Still, I am not sure had I known I would have done anything different. As I said, my choice in getting vaccinated a second time was purely political, and the notion that my getting vaxxed gives me any kind of superior standing, as so many others think, is IMO moronic.
From a health POV, the notion that being vaxxed puts you medically in a better place is a dubious claim. But from a political POV and the ability to travel, the risk of being unvaccinated is there and seemingly getting worse by the day.
But to have a guy run out and catch Covid and then gets vaccinated after getting sick and thinks he knows all about the virus? That is too much to take.
That overconfidence, the giraffe I referred to, has been mapped out by Dunning and Kruger.
I like the graph here and maybe you can agree or disagree if we have someone looking down from Mount Stupid: https://understandinginnovation.blog/2015/07/03/the-dunning-kruger-effect-in-innovation/.
And then you have the wonderful article here upon which the graph was based: https://josephparis.me/my-articles/lessons-from-mt-stupid/.
RamDavidson84
01-29-22, 22:24
What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.I am not saying we should do anything to speed up death for anyone who is at risk. I do not mean to disrespect anyone based on age or health. It is funny to me because it is so glaringly obvious that we cannot control this virus and whether or not we have lockdowns, vaccine mandates, travel restrictions, etc. The same amount of people at this point are going to contract the virus. We might as well preserve our economy and freedom rather than destroy it in the name of politics, shaming, and fear mongering. I feel sorry for those affected by this virus, both young and old. The young losing out on normalcy during childhood and of course the elderly losing out at enjoying their golden years. As I have said before, this virus is a force of nature, it's like trying to control a hurricane, you can't to a certain degree. All you can do is minimize the damage it causes. I didn't need to do 12 hours of reading peer reviewed studies either to come to this conclusion. I am very concerned about real world problems like crime, inflation, and social isolation which is also wreaking havoc across society. Poor have gotten much poorer during this pandemic and it should addressed as much or if not more than vaccine mandates and travel tests for tourists.
I don't see how anyone can say what I wrote is insane, but I am sure haters will come out and spit venom because I am not a sheep in the herd.
What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.Lmfao, you're obviously too stupid to understand the full situation. I'm not saying that you're a terrible person but the consequences of the actions you're supporting are terrible.
What's so funny? Sure everyone will go sometime but why speed it up? You obviously don't have any elder loved ones. There used to be a saying that the good die young. If that is the case, you should live forever.If you read carefully, he has never said to speed it up.
The question is at what cost?
Let's say the correct way is to save live at any cost, forever, do you agree with this position?
If yes, I think this is at one end of the spectrum of all choices. Some people who don't agree are questioning this single end of spectrum position. I will also add this is an almost impossible choice for a democratic country like US to take if that includes forced quarantine of anyone regardless of the infection status.
If no, then it seems to me that people share a common ground except numbers are different. It goes back to the question of at what cost?
I do work a full time career helping people daily which required 6 years of education.You sure write like you have six years of education. Seventh grade is 'haaard'. You have to learn the difference between you and you're, and it's and its, all kinds of stuff. I think you have to learn what 'x' is in 2 x + 4 = 6 that year too. You're lucky you quit when you did, because then in 8th grade you have to learn semi-colons.
I rarely start the bullshit, this time I did because every time I hop on this forum, your posting away tearing into people. You going at Mr. E hard like a weirdo. You did the same to me a few weeks back. You pick out the smallest most insignificant things to criticize people about and its just weird bro. I never spit any false info. Look, the vaccines were not what they were promised to be. That's a simple fact. I am not anti vaccine, as I have stated so many times. I just don't think they should be mandatory and I think the vaccine shaming needs to stop, its not healthy for society. Is that so bad? And if you are still advocating lockdowns and travel restrictions at this point, I think your judgement is very clouded by your bias.MrE often shares useful information. He also often makes up shit because he believes it somehow proves a point. Occasionally, he posts things which are potentially dangerous to others. I have no personal animus against him, only against the bad information and made up stories.
You can substitute any other member of ISG, whose posts I've argued against and it's the same. I have nothing against the individual. It's an anonymous internet message forum. Except for the people I've actually met, I don't try to make up back stories for the other people who post here. I don't care about their politics, religion, eating habits, or how they make or spend their money. Every person on ISG, if they send a message and ask to meet up when I'm in Medellin, I'm happy to go wherever and have a drink with them.
And if you donating 25% of your income after you pay your income and property tax, then you are an idiot LOL. 25% That's a little excessive man, unless you are making close to half a million a year, and if you are god bless you, but I highly fucking doubt that because it seems you spend way too much time on this forum. If I was making that dough, I certainly wouldn't be wasting a dozen posts a day on this forum like it seems you do.First you're assuming someone who you've never met and know almost nothing about, does nothing to help out others in need, and now you're calling me an idiot because I give too much helping others out? Okay. Settle it for me. Considering my income, my expenses, my available time and all the other factors, how much, in dollars, or as a percentage of either my net, or gross income, is the proper amount I should offer to help others?
Since you're calling people out, who you assume do nothing to help others, how much of your time, energy and money do you give to those in need? How much is too little? How much is too much?
A dozen posts every day? I've been here for 7 years, with less than 4000 posts. Go ahead and do the math. There probably have been days when I've posted 12 times. At least once I've posted 10, so I assume there have been days with more posts. But every day? Not even close. The average is about 2 per day. At a guess I'd say 3 out of 4 of my posts have been either sharing information, or answering questions. What are your numbers? I took the time to look them up.
Your post count is 109.59 of your posts are in this thread. Out of your most recent 70 posts, 59 are in this thread. Actually, I believe it's 59 of 62. It's been less than 9 months since your very first post on ISG, well over half of your posts have been attacking others in this thread and you want to judge me on my posting history?
I am no saint, and I would never claim to be. I do work a full time career helping people daily which required 6 years of education and other credentials as well. I pay my taxes and most of the time I am decent citizen and member of the community. I draw the line right there though, LOL I am definitely not donating 30-40 thousand a year to charity though lololol. Hell no! Love you guys so much, you make me so warm and fuzzy inside, especially T-king Osteo haha.Let's look at this one more time.
1. You start off attacking Paulie (who is generally a decent guy, and occasionally an ass, like just about everyone else) because you believe he's unemployed, uneducated, and does nothing to help others.
2. You then attack me because I help others too much.
3. Your justification for both attacks is that you're a "decent citizen and member of the community?" At the same time you strongly suggest that other than being "most of the time a decent citizen and member of the community" you don't do anything else to help others?
It's worth pointing out that most of the time, John Wayne Gacy was a decent citizen and member of the community.
ChuchoLoco
01-30-22, 01:35
If you read carefully, he has never said to speed it up.
The question is at what cost?
Let's say the correct way is to save live at any cost, forever, do you agree with this position?
If yes, I think this is at one end of the spectrum of all choices. Some people who don't agree are questioning this single end of spectrum position. I will also add this is an almost impossible choice for a democratic country like US to take if that includes forced quarantine of anyone regardless of the infection status.
If no, then it seems to me that people share a common ground except numbers are different. It goes back to the question of at what cost?I guess that I am the other end then. I don't put a price on life especially when we waste so much on death. He said let the healthy live. Does that mean anyone who is not healthy whatever that means, should die?
P.S. The USA is Not a democratic country. Democracy is the most over used and incorrectly used word in fashion now. Just go to any " News Channel" and you will hear it over and over.
RamDavidson84
01-30-22, 04:33
You sure write like you have six years of education. Seventh grade is 'haaard'. You have to learn the difference between you and you're, and it's and its, all kinds of stuff. I think you have to learn what 'x' is in 2 x + 4 = 6 that year too. You're lucky you quit when you did, because then in 8th grade you have to learn semi-colons.Haha, you got me here Huacho. I meant 6 years post high school. Again, I never claimed to be the smartest guy going, but smart enough to realize when I see total bullshit mandates and pointless restrictions.
It goes back to the question of at what cost?So the way to manage cost is to um manage cost and the powers that were did a terrible job of that. Handing out corrupt contracts, denial is a river in Egypt, mask sourcing fiascos, and so forth. No one is perfect but early mistakes made for political rather than health or cost reasons wasted a lot of money.
If you want a serious discussion about what a human life costs, these are valued in civil courts every day. I disagree with these valuations as they are based on shit like 'future earning potential' which is based on shit like being born rich or white or from a developed country. And your dead ass is worth more if you had kids. Um no it's actually not, in the open market.
All human lives should have equal value. Here is a cynical view point. My guess is that if I make it ten more years, and we look back on this, we will see that COVID disproportionately killed and affected weaker members of society. Old, fat, too poor to get health care, too ignorant to get vaccinated, etc. To me, the true measure of any society is how it treats its weakest members. I did not personally profit from the pandemic but I made it through 2020 without getting laid off and was ready to pack it in anyway. Now I'm in a place I really like, that normally is overrun with tourists, and now is not. The gym used to be really crowded and now it's not. The stock market crashed so I bought my ass off. I was essentially financially unaffected. I did not get COVID so far as I know. I did not suffer financially from COVID. But, emotionally it was a vast wasteland and I think I'm fully recovered from that, but I'll never be sure. Severe lockdowns where I was reminded me of jail and may have scarred me a bit more. I went six months without pussy and had to survive on beer and weed.
TK is not vaxxed and is not worried because he has a healthy immune system or so he thinks, and a good diet. I am not worried because I have a healthy immune system or so I think, and a good diet, and am in A-1 aerobic shape. So if you accept that we are both healthier than average for our unknown ages, it still gets back to asymptomatic transmission being more common in unvaccinated people, making them irresponsible, plus the greater strain those people put on the health care system and thus the sacred economy when they get sick and start blathering about monoclonal antibodies and veterinary medicines. What I would do there is offer to medevac them with a helicopter, make them pay up front, and then toss them out of the helicopter in the finest Argentinean military tradition. Tip: do this over deeper water than those assholes did.
But the virus seems to be attenuating and there is quite a bit of history saying that is what viruses do. I would not be too quick to use that to criticize restrictions because you want to prevent deaths until a virus attenuates, and as we've seen, that takes years.
Elvis 2008
01-30-22, 04:37
I rarely start the bullshit, this time I did because every time I hop on this forum, your posting away tearing into people. You going at Mr. E hard like a weirdo. You did the same to me a few weeks back. You pick out the smallest most insignificant things to criticize people about and its just weird bro. I never spit any false info. Look, the vaccines were not what they were promised to be. That's a simple fact. I am not anti vaccine, as I have stated so many times. I just don't think they should be mandatory and I think the vaccine shaming needs to stop, its not healthy for society. Is that so bad? And if you are still advocating lockdowns and travel restrictions at this point, I think your judgement is very clouded by your bias.
I agree with you Ram. WSJ today said hospitalization rate with omicron per a Kaiser study was 0. 16%. They also quoted an administrator as saying that 80% of people admitted were vaccinated in one health care system. Seeing as how the most vulnerable are the elderly and that they are like 99% vaxxed, that sounds about right to me.
What I have been surprised with in the last week is that it seems like the entertainment class has been unleashed. There was the Kid Rock song, Bill Maher and a guest of his speaking out against the pandemic. His guest said this is a "pandemic of the bureaucrats" and she got thunderous applause from a left leaning audience.
The most bone headed thing I had read recently was forcing truck drivers in North America to be vaccinated in the midst of a supply chain crisis. The Biden administration implemented such a measure and then back tracked on enforcement. Apparently, 40% of truckers are unvaccinated, but Justin Trudeau and Canada did not back down on the vaccine requirement, and a brigade of truckers 43 miles long have driven to Ottawa to protest.
Trudeau left town in a hurry and one Canadian newscaster said the brigade was due to Putin and Russia. Seriously. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/worlds-largest-truck-convoy-arrives-ottawa-protest-medical-tyranny.
A buddy of mine is in this business, and he has told me that truckers are a different breed, but if they are united and motivated, and they usually are very independent, they could shut down our whole country in 3 days. I wonder how much of Ottawa has been shut down.
There is talk the truckers head to the USA but I am not sure what the exact point would be. Still, it is nice to see some protest over the tyrannical responses we have seen. I was so proud of Colombia for rising up.
This has been the strongest backlash I have seen in North America over Covid, and I think this more than anything might give the bureaucrats pause with their vaccine passports and mandates, but we shall see.
RamDavidson84
01-30-22, 04:43
MrE often shares useful information. He also often makes up shit because he believes it somehow proves a point. Occasionally, he posts things which are potentially dangerous to others. I have no personal animus against him, only against the bad information and made up stories.
You can substitute any other member of ISG, whose posts I've argued against and it's the same. I have nothing against the individual. It's an anonymous internet message forum. Except for the people I've actually met, I don't try to make up back stories for the other people who post here. I don't care about their politics, religion, eating habits, or how they make or spend their money. Every person on ISG, if they send a message and ask to meet up when I'm in Medellin, I'm happy to go wherever and have a drink with them.
First you're assuming someone who you've never met and know almost nothing about, does nothing to help out others in need, and now you're calling me an idiot because I give too much helping others out? Okay. Settle it for me. Considering my income, my expenses, my available time and all the other factors, how much, in dollars, or as a percentage of either my net, or gross income, is the proper amount I should offer to help others?
Since you're calling people out, who you assume do nothing to help others, how much of your time, energy and money do you give to those in need? How much is too little? How much is too much?..Look man, I don't want to go back and forth with you all day. In all my life, I have never met a dude who donates 25% of his hard earned cash to charity. Seems really fucking strange to me. If I had to guess, you got to be full of shit and just trying to look noble in a filthy sex mongering forum. But if that's what really lights up your day, giving tens of thousands of dollars to total fucking strangers, then god bless you. You certainly don't need me to tell you what to do with your money.
Paulie has jumped in plenty of time and started shit with me over the vaccine shit. He's a big boy, he can handle it I am sure. Again, your posts are just weird and it bothers me. Are you really going back and reading and counting posts where I attacked people and keeping score? Again, you have way too much time on your hands. For the record, if you do go back and read my posts, I am usually responding to the hate and not starting it.
RamDavidson84
01-30-22, 04:57
I guess that I am the other end then. I don't put a price on life especially when we waste so much on death. He said let the healthy live. Does that mean anyone who is not healthy whatever that means, should die?
P.S. The USA is Not a democratic country. Democracy is the most over used and incorrectly used word in fashion now. Just go to any " News Channel" and you will hear it over and over.You guys jump to extreme conclusions so fast. Why would you assume I want unhealthy people to die? This is such a common thing I see about the weirdos who view the vaccines like its 15th century religious sin to always go to extreme lengths to promote the vaccine and shame anyone who doesn't want it mandated. I never said anything close to wanting unhealthy people to die. You make yourself look so biased and unhinged when you attribute views to people that they don't support just to argue your opinion.
Again, just look at the hundreds of thousands of cases a day of covid. Look at the hundreds of thousands of deaths since the 95% effective vaccines have been available. The mandates and restrictions are not going to slow the virus down at this point. The vaccines failed us. We all for the sake of society should be as realistic as possible about this virus and our response. We shouldn't just blindly blame everything on the 8% of people who didn't get the vaccine. That 8% did not make a significant difference. The difference was the vaccines didn't prevent transmission. The vaccines were not 95% effective at stopping death and hospitalization. We cannot control the virus at this point. If you at risk and value your health and safety, you should be social distancing / masking and forcing people to shutdown the economy and socially isolate themselves because we have done that and it doesn't work. It just destroys our economy, our youth's education, and increases crime and mental illness.
And again, I am sure as always, someone will post some idiotic reply how I am a nazi and I want everyone to die because no one can come up with a valid argument to my point. Lets see if there are any intelligent arguments made to my view instead of just shaming and blind loyalty to the "science".
Oh yea, fully vaccinated and boosted here just in case you are wondering.
I am not saying we should do anything to speed up death for anyone who is at risk. I do not mean to disrespect anyone based on age or health. It is funny to me because it is so glaringly obvious that we cannot control this virus and whether or not we have lockdowns, vaccine mandates, travel restrictions, etc. The same amount of people at this point are going to contract the virus. We might as well preserve our economy and freedom rather than destroy it in the name of politics, shaming, and fear mongering. I feel sorry for those affected by this virus, both young and old. The young losing out on normalcy during childhood and of course the elderly losing out at enjoying their golden years. As I have said before, this virus is a force of nature, it's like trying to control a hurricane, you can't to a certain degree. All you can do is minimize the damage it causes. I didn't need to do 12 hours of reading peer reviewed studies either to come to this conclusion. I am very concerned about real world problems like crime, inflation, and social isolation which is also wreaking havoc across society. Poor have gotten much poorer during this pandemic and it should addressed as much or if not more than vaccine mandates and travel tests for tourists.
I don't see how anyone can say what I wrote is insane, but I am sure haters will come out and spit venom because I am not a sheep in the herd.You have never been to Colombia based on your posting history. In fact based on your posting history you are a virgin. You probably mostly engage in felching.
It's worth pointing out that most of the time, John Wayne Gacy was a decent citizen and member of the community.OMG, I kid you not one of my best friends in the world, near Chicago. She showed me fotos from her young niece's birthday party, and the clown was John Wayne Gacy. The fotos were just mixed in with all the other fotos, but she knew who it was. Nothing bad happened. Like you said, decent citizen and member of the community.
MarquisdeSade1
01-30-22, 08:26
Right my bad. It was the Good life, and Felicity Kendal, the real star, was the second winner of rear of the year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear_of_the_Year.
It is amazing that contest is still going on in these days of PC.
Thing about Osteo's proclamation about truth is that you look at all these people who were wrong:
Joe Biden: You're Not Going To Get COVID If You Have These Vaccinations.
Tony Fauci: You Become A Dead End To The Virus.
Rochelle Walensky: "Vaccinated People Do Not Carry The Virus They Don't Get Sick. "
Alberta Bourla: "The COVID-19 vaccine was 100% effective in preventing #COVID19 cases in South Africa. 100%..Great as if the CCP exporting and flooding the world with slave-made toxic inferior trash isn't bad enough.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/547534-digital-id-credit-system/
Now there's this.
ChuchoLoco
01-30-22, 15:51
Lmfao, you're obviously too stupid to understand the full situation. I'm not saying that you're a terrible person but the consequences of the actions you're supporting are terrible.Yeah, I must be too stupid to understand so explain the full situation and the consequences since you are so smart. By the way, who are you to butt in? The others who responded and who I had addressed my comments to did so in a mature civil manner. Look in the mirror to see who is the stupid one. Keep laughing, it keeps you from talking and you only look like a fool rather than prove it.
Yet another topic that I should have previously listed in order to properly understand the Covid issues, probably next to the bell curve stuff, is of course p values and null hypotheses, basic stuff. I am certain I could come up with many more relevant topics if I put in the time and energy.
Assume for a moment you answered "yes" to all the topics I mentioned previously about what you needed to have for at least a working knowledge to understand the Covid issue. Then I would have to ask you, on what basis are your arguing your point? Do you have some secret inner knowledge or magic powers that enlightens only you and no one else in the world?
El Capo's story was the tip of the iceberg. Believable. That's not supposed to happen. Or let's say there is no utility in counting his outcome as a positive test result, because he wasn't sick. Or is there? Does he pass on the virus and make other people sick? And do they do the same? No one knows. People who tell you they know, don't know. That is the most common pitfall of people with above average intelligence, they don't know what they don't know.
There are significant enough errors in the totals of all the following data sets to render them unusable and corrupt:
People who didn't get "sick" but tested positive (Capo).
People who got sick and tested positive (this is the data set that needs the highest specificity) who lived or died (and highest positive predictive value).
People who got sick with Covid but tested negative, for numerous reasons, the least of which is not the unidentified mutations circulating in the population right now. Huge factor.
People who didn't get sick but tested negative and were still carrying and transmitting Covid with varying, unknown pathogenicity (significant, yet totally uncounted).
People who tested negative and died from Covid (you probably didn't even think of that one).
Not only are their significant numbers in each of these cohorts, except for perhaps the last one, the numbers are off by way more than a significant margin within each cohort. We have no idea of the accurate numbers in each cohort because of unreliability in testing, collecting data, and outcome measures. The exact mechanisms of those errors are many and beyond the scope of this answer. You could write a book about it and maybe I will.
That's what I am talking about when I tell you Covid is a giant clulsterfuck and shitshow. The train has left station. That ship has sailed. There is no valid data upon which we can draw useful conclusions about current state. If you happen to be right it is by intuition or dumb luck. That's why it is unnecessary for me to read all your posts about this because those of you who are arguing the loudest and the longest are the same ones who are the most clueless.
There is no giant conspiracy or any dominant force controlling anything with Covid other than nature, or God, or The Cosmic Blueberry Muffin, whichever you prefer. There may be groups that wish they could interject their control, but they can't, because you can't organize random mass chaos.
The reason everything is so unnatural right now is because this is the first major epidemic since the invention of the Internet, and just like assholes, everyone has an opinion and if they rant loud enough they can get heard.
We never should have intervened in the beginning, but now it's too late go back. No matter what we do, pretty much this virus is going to run a natural course. We may eventually get ahead of the eight ball with annual custom Covid vaccine shots. What does that remind you of? Fucking influenza A or flu shots for which we do exactly that already. Since everything I have predicted so far has come true with Covid, let me tell you how I believe it's going to end up.
You will get your annual Covid shot. They will mix it with flu vaccine to make it more convenient and you get protected from both Covid and flu each year with one stick. Somehow they will legislate it to be mandatory, which will be it's own separate clusterfuk. I don't know how many years it will take for this to happen, maybe 5-6? My guess is better than yours.
The Covid era will be history until the next new epidemic hits. And if we don't apply lessons learned from this pansy virus, and we get hit by a new virus with a seriously high attack and mortality rate, guess what kiddies? That's the end. The end of all of it. The end of mankind.
Every time someone on ISG says something Covid related like, "Oh, you did this so that happened" they are simply stroking their own ego by agreeing with themselves and their own preheld, biased, uninformed beliefs.
There is no good data to support any stance you take with Covid now. That is one reason why everyone gets so emotional because there is no valid data to back up their argument. There is no argument for current state. Intelligent and informed people should be discussing future state and lessons learned.
Maybe two or three of you have the intelligence and insight enough to understand this. I already admitted to my failure in being able to teach it. Oh, and BTW I did not look up one fucking thing on the Internet to write this. All on the fly. If a couple of you bend a little and realize the futility of your viewpoint then that will be the best for which I can hope, but for now, I am done. If you could grasp what I am teaching you then you would realize it doesn't matter what you believe or think about Covid up until now. Calm down. Relax. Move on or work on improving current state of Covid or the next public health debacle in the Internet Age. I am going back to concentrating on spreading love. Jajajjaja.
I told myself I would never get sucked into this argument, especially in a place like this, but you dragged me out of the piranha pool like a snarling, gnashing Pit Bull. Just like I solved your nagging Supply and Demand quandary, this one is also in the books. QED. Done.
Ostee Out, and as always, Keep On Keepin' On and obviously I love you guys or I wouldn't be doing this. I still owe you a treatise on why Intelligence is counterproductive in the mongering game, jajajajaa. Whut Whut? I might tidy this article up a bit and get it published in a more widespread, general venue. If that happens, I will let you know. But it needs to be professionally edited, first.
ChuchoLoco
01-30-22, 18:22
You guys jump to extreme conclusions so fast. Why would you assume I want unhealthy people to die? This is such a common thing I see about the weirdos who view the vaccines like its 15th century religious sin to always go to extreme lengths to promote the vaccine and shame anyone who doesn't want it mandated. I never said anything close to wanting unhealthy people to die. You make yourself look so biased and unhinged when you attribute views to people that they don't support just to argue your opinion.
Again, just look at the hundreds of thousands of cases a day of covid. Look at the hundreds of thousands of deaths since the 95% effective vaccines have been available. The mandates and restrictions are not going to slow the virus down at this point. The vaccines failed us. We all for the sake of society should be as realistic as possible about this virus and our response. We shouldn't just blindly blame everything on the 8% of people who didn't get the vaccine. That 8% did not make a significant difference. The difference was the vaccines didn't prevent transmission. The vaccines were not 95% effective at stopping death and hospitalization. We cannot control the virus at this point. If you at risk and value your health and safety, you should be social distancing / masking and forcing people to shutdown the economy and socially isolate themselves because we have done that and it doesn't work. It just destroys our economy, our youth's education, and increases crime and mental illness..Read what you wrote. Old people die LOL. What's so funny about that? And you also said let the healthy live. You don't seem to be a Nazi at least not a real German Nazi. But you do seem to be a very angry person. Since you are so smart, what is your solution to the virus and where have you travelled in the last 3 years?
Mr Enternational
01-30-22, 19:05
Evidently a lot less people really want these jabs than the numbers say. Making a digital trail is really a rookie mistake. Do your dirt, but for scammer sake don't put the evidence in the state's database!
"Two nurses on New York's Long Island are being charged with forging Covid-19 vaccination cards and entering the fake jabs in the state's database, a scam that allegedly raked in more than $1.5 million.
From November 2021 to January 2022, the pair allegedly forged vaccination cards, charging adults $220 apiece and $85 per child for a fake record that would land in the New York State Immunization Information System database. ".
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/29/long-island-nurses-charged-with-faking-covid-jabs-to-earn-more-than-1point5-million.html
I am not saying we should do anything to speed up death for anyone who is at risk. I do not mean to disrespect anyone based on age or health. It is funny to me because it is so glaringly obvious that we cannot control this virus and whether or not we have lockdowns, vaccine mandates, travel restrictions, etc. The same amount of people at this point are going to contract the virus. We might as well preserve our economy and freedom rather than destroy it in the name of politics, shaming, and fear mongering. I feel sorry for those affected by this virus, both young and old. The young losing out on normalcy during childhood and of course the elderly losing out at enjoying their golden years. As I have said before, this virus is a force of nature, it's like trying to control a hurricane, you can't to a certain degree. All you can do is minimize the damage it causes. I didn't need to do 12 hours of reading peer reviewed studies either to come to this conclusion. I am very concerned about real world problems like crime, inflation, and social isolation which is also wreaking havoc across society. Poor have gotten much poorer during this pandemic and it should addressed as much or if not more than vaccine mandates and travel tests for tourists.
I don't see how anyone can say what I wrote is insane, but I am sure haters will come out and spit venom because I am not a sheep in the herd.Insane? Pretty close. I've got a bit of time to waste, so let's revisit it.
Old people die Huacho LOL. It's part of life. You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years. At this point anyone advocating for vaccine mandates or crazy restrictions is not thinking clearly and following the "science". Even besides the "science", the people have spoke, no one gives a fuck anymore. Let people live while they are healthy and if you are at risk, you should be the one quarantining. Not shutting society down for people who are on their death beds anyway."Old people die Huacho LOL."
Not only does your opening line demonstrate a complete lack of empathy, you tack on a LOL to show that the idea of people dying prematurely is funny to you. If you're arguing that your post wasn't insane, you're off to a bad start.
"You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years. "
I'll give you a pass on the 2 years part, even though in the US, absolutely no attempt was made to control the virus until April 2020. Let's just focus on "we haven't been able to control. "
Every attempt at control has met with fierce resistance. There was even a plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan because people didn't want to wear masks. There was only one 4 week period when the US made a real attempt to control the virus. It was effective. As soon as it became obvious we were having success almost everyone stopped following the measures which were successfully controlling the virus.
The insane part of your comment is your failure to comprehend that the US isn't the only country in the world. Kind of nutty.
Since the beginning of the pandemic about 0. 4% of the US population has died from Covid. Over the same period, 0. 02% of the Cambodian population has died from Covid. In Canada deaths account for 0. 09% of the population. Deaths in Germany 0. 01% of the population. New Zealand, 0. 002%, Singapore 0. 02%.
It seems obvious, once you recognize that the US isn't the only country in the world, that controlling the virus has been done quite well in other places.
I won't quote the rest, but twice you put quotes around science. Doing so indicates you're not talking about science. Were you unaware, or are you talking about some pseudoscience? I will agree that many people aren't following the science, which is why the US has sucked so much ass at attempting to control the virus.
Your final bit of lunacy; "people who are on their death beds anyway. " Again, a complete lack of empathy and a failure to understand anything about human life. Being 60,70 or 80 years old doesn't equal "on their death beds. " Having diabetes, a heart condition, COPD or any other condition which is a Covid comorbidity isn't "on their death beds. " I met a guy in Medellin who was over 70 and still making 3 or 4 mongering trips per year. Another guy on ISG is in his 80's and is having the time of his life. Probably half the people here are eligible for the senior citizen discount at Denny's. Yet you clearly consider them all to be disposable.
Back to your post at the top. You mentioned "destroy our economy. " I've been scoffing at that idea for nearly 2 years now. No economy, throughout history has ever been destroyed. Severely damaged, yes. Destroyed, no. The US economy grew over 1. 7% last quarter, which is equal to an annual rate of 6. 9%, the strongest growth in decades. If you're claiming we need to stop "fear mongering", while claiming a strong and growing economy is being destroyed, what you're doing is fear mongering.
You also said we need to stop shaming, I'm assuming your talking about shaming people who argue that people shouldn't get vaccinated. However, in practically every post you're trying to shame someone. Why do you constantly do things you claim shouldn't be done?
In conclusion, perhaps "insane" is a bit strong. "Deranged", "uninformed" or "out of touch" might be more accurate labels.
...If you want a serious discussion about what a human life costs, these are valued in civil courts every day. ...It's not about monetary cost at all if that is what you are getting at
Assume there is a population of 1 million and only 1 person is over 50, that person's age is 99. Assume there is no monetary cost to quarantine (means curfew, restrictions, tests) anyone, and the people younger than 50 will get the virus but none will die.
You can 1: Quarantine the old men, or you can 2: Quarantine the rest of the population, what is your choice, 1, or 2? And why?
All human lives should have equal value
I can agree with that. My question to you is how do you measure it? Purely by number of years lived? What if a person's live span is shorten but not dead, should the shorten live span be taken into consideration?
Look man, I don't want to go back and forth with you all day. In all my life, I have never met a dude who donates 25% of his hard earned cash to charity. Seems really fucking strange to me. If I had to guess, you got to be full of shit and just trying to look noble in a filthy sex mongering forum. But if that's what really lights up your day, giving tens of thousands of dollars to total fucking strangers, then god bless you. You certainly don't need me to tell you what to do with your money.
Paulie has jumped in plenty of time and started shit with me over the vaccine shit. He's a big boy, he can handle it I am sure. Again, your posts are just weird and it bothers me. Are you really going back and reading and counting posts where I attacked people and keeping score? Again, you have way too much time on your hands. For the record, if you do go back and read my posts, I am usually responding to the hate and not starting it.You would help your cause immensely if you took the time to read and understand what you respond to. If you had properly understood my post there would be no need to go back and forth.
"Last year my cash donations came up to almost 25% of my income (and none of that went to a church or other non-profit group). " Yet you respond " I have never met a dude who donates 25% of his hard earned cash to charity. "
I don't donate cash to charities. I help out people who, for whatever reason are in need. The reason is simple. Every non-profit organization uses some of the money for overhead, salaries, advertising, or political donations. If I wanted to pay people to decide which people deserve assistance, I'd start my own charity.
Someone's house burns down and they lose everything, I spend some money helping them recover. Someone has a legitimate need, if I can, I help.
You don't have to guess about what I do with my money. Although your guess is hilarious, since you label ISG as a "filthy sex mongering forum." There's some serious self-hate in that label. You obviously monger, but you consider mongering as filthy. Perhaps we've found the core of your anger.
If my posts are weird and they bother you, it appears the problem lies with you. You claim I'm here 24/7 writing dozens of posts, so I went and looked. That's part of the process of gaining knowledge. If you just blindly accept what you're told, you learn nothing and often end up looking like a fool.
Since I looked at my post history, it made sense to look at yours. At that point you only had 109 posts. It took 2 minutes to scan through and count how many were posted in this thread. Since you now post exclusively in this thread, you're making yourself look worse with every post.
Paulie has jumped in and attacked you many times? Go ask mommy to kiss it and make it better. Then, after you dry your tears, explain why you decided to include me in your response to Paulie. If you had left me out of your rant, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
With each of your posts, you make yourself look worse. You attack Paulie because, in your fantasy, he does nothing to help others. Then you attack me because I do too much to help others. Meanwhile, it appears you do nothing to help others.
Except for your job, the thing you get paid to do, which helps others. In other words, you won't help others, unless you are getting paid to do it. Every job that everyone does helps others. From ditch diggers to dishwashers, plumbers to physicians, every job helps others.
Speaking of your job, your health plan probably includes mental health screening. You might benefit from taking advantage of that particular benefit.
OMG, I kid you not one of my best friends in the world, near Chicago. She showed me fotos from her young niece's birthday party, and the clown was John Wayne Gacy. The fotos were just mixed in with all the other fotos, but she knew who it was. Nothing bad happened. Like you said, decent citizen and member of the community.That's the big picture reality. Almost everyone is a decent citizen and member of the community. It's become cliche. Whenever someone commits an atrocity, there are friends, neighbors, old teachers all saying how the perpetrator was just a normal citizen.
Elvis 2008
01-30-22, 20:58
I did not personally profit from the pandemicSo why should anyone listen to you now?
I did not suffer financially from COVID. But, emotionally it was a vast wasteland and I think I'm fully recovered from that, but I'll never be sure. Severe lockdowns where I was reminded me of jail and may have scarred me a bit more. I went six months without pussy and had to survive on beer and weed.Then you suffered more than anyone I personally know who had Covid, even people who got admitted to the hospital, which begs the same question, why would anyone listen to you now?
Unlike you, I have been in the Lion's den with Covid. I have seen people with oxygen saturations not compatible with life for long, huffing and puffing with Covid, and I have been exposed. But I have not let Covid slow my life down at all.
I am on the empty beaches, the half full flights, the discounted hotel rooms, and am banging all the hotties guys like you have left behind. When Colombia closed, I bagged Mexican babes. When Colombia opened back up, I was like a kid in a candy store.
And the biggest difference between us? You believe the media! Ha ha ha ha!
Yet another topic that I should have previously listed in order to properly understand the Covid issues, probably next to the bell curve stuff, is of course p values and null hypotheses, basic stuff. I am certain I could come up with many more relevant topics if I put in the time and energy.
Assume for a moment you answered "yes" to all the topics I mentioned previously about what you needed to have for at least a working knowledge to understand the Covid issue. Then I would have to ask you, on what basis are your arguing your point? Do you have some secret inner knowledge or magic powers that enlightens only you and no one else in the world?
El Capo's story was the tip of the iceberg. Believable. That's not supposed to happen. Or let's say there is no utility in counting his outcome as a positive test result, because he wasn't sick. Or is there? Does he pass on the virus and make other people sick? And do they do the same? No one knows. People who tell you they know, don't know. That is the most common pitfall of people with above average intelligence, they don't know what they don't know.
There are significant enough errors in the totals of all the following data sets to render them unusable and corrupt:
People who didn't get "sick" but tested positive (Capo).
People who got sick and tested positive (this is the data set that needs the highest specificity) who lived or died (and highest positive predictive value).
People who got sick with Covid but tested negative, for numerous reasons, the least of which is not the unidentified mutations circulating in the population right now. Huge factor.
People who didn't get sick but tested negative and were still carrying and transmitting Covid with varying, unknown pathogenicity (significant, yet totally uncounted).
People who tested negative and died from Covid (you probably didn't even think of that one).
Not only are their significant numbers in each of these cohorts, except for perhaps the last one, the numbers are off by way more than a significant margin within each cohort. We have no idea of the accurate numbers in each cohort because of unreliability in testing, collecting data, and outcome measures. The exact mechanisms of those errors are many and beyond the scope of this answer. You could write a book about it and maybe I will.
That's what I am talking about when I tell you Covid is a giant clulsterfuck and shitshow. The train has left station. That ship has sailed. There is no valid data upon which we can draw useful conclusions about current state. If you happen to be right it is by intuition or dumb luck. That's why it is unnecessary for me to read all your posts about this because those of you who are arguing the loudest and the longest are the same ones who are the most clueless.
There is no giant conspiracy or any dominant force controlling anything with Covid other than nature, or God, or The Cosmic Blueberry Muffin, whichever you prefer. There may be groups that wish they could interject their control, but they can't, because you can't organize random mass chaos.
The reason everything is so unnatural right now is because this is the first major epidemic since the invention of the Internet, and just like assholes, everyone has an opinion and if they rant loud enough they can get heard..You have a few omissions in your data irregularity discussion. The main one is people who were never tested.
As far as data collection goes, it has never been perfect and never will be. Yet, imperfect data is collected, analyzed and used daily. The pinnacle of your professional career depended entirely on imperfect data.
That's the inherent problem with any scientific endeavor. You do the best you can with the best data you can get. Then you work to improve your data and improve your understanding. This is the reason why the pinnacle of science is the Theory (as opposed to a theory, which people use any time they make a wild ass guess).
A Theory is the best explanation currently available, which accounts for all available data without contradiction. If there is a contradiction, the theory must be changed. When more and better data becomes available, the theory must be changed. It's a process of constant improvement.
Letting the virus run unchecked from the beginning, would have been the tough love approach, sink or swim. Technically, that's exactly what the US did for about 3 months. Would that have been more beneficial in the long run? Your guess is no better than mine. Rates of mutation are variable, however, more infections increases the probability of mutation. Unfortunately, mutation has no predetermined vector. A virus doesn't prefer to mutate towards higher infection rates and lower fatality rates. There is always the possibility of a variant with a much higher CFR. At what level do you decide that doing nothing doesn't work?
It's like this:
https://youtu.be/RYbyExBu1mk
My casualty response philosophy was instilled in me in the Navy. Letting a fire burn itself out isn't an option when you're 400' below the surface. Taking the minimal approach also isn't a good idea. The only consistently effective solution is to throw everything you have at the problem.
Would that have worked? It seems to have been effective in several countries. Even if you don't completely extinguish the pandemic, you buy time to develop better protective measures, better treatment options and develop vaccines. All of that buys you more time, better treatment, improved acquired immunity, better vaccines.
However, Pandora has already done her thing and it can't be undone.
Elvis 2008
01-30-22, 22:31
Evidently a lot less people really want these jabs than the numbers say.Yeah, it is crazy to believe that people do not want to be vaccinated twice with an experimental product for a virus with a 0.16% hospitalization rate. Oh, I am sorry I should have said vaccinated thrice. By the time I am done typing this, we will probably be at being vaccinated 4 X.
Making a digital trail is really a rookie mistake. Do your dirt, but for scammer sake don't put the evidence in the state's database!Yeah, a buddy of mine asked me to ask the Mexicans about a vaccine card, and I forgot to ask. That is probably how I would do it. Get a foreign card. We were serenaded with guys in Cabo wanting to sell us cocaine, molly, and pot. I kind of wonder what those guys would have said about getting a fake vaccine card. The way the vaccine Nazis are I could just imagine the response, "We do not sell dangerous stuff like vaccine cards, only safe stuff like cocaine."
Elvis 2008
01-31-22, 04:11
Another one for Elvis.
Superb discussion. Have you heard much of Brett Weinstein? Intelligence is one thing he is not lacking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_KpBzFrcY
That's what I am talking about when I tell you Covid is a giant clulsterfuck and shitshow. The train has left station. That ship has sailed. There is no valid data upon which we can draw useful conclusions about current state. If you happen to be right it is by intuition or dumb luck. That's why it is unnecessary for me to read all your posts about this because those of you who are arguing the loudest and the longest are the same ones who are the most clueless.
There is no giant conspiracy or any dominant force controlling anything with Covid other than nature, or God, or The Cosmic Blueberry Muffin, whichever you prefer. There may be groups that wish they could interject their control, but they can't, because you can't organize random mass chaos.Osteo's latest blowhard proclamation got me thinking about how much had changed and how little people know about it.
JustTK, I did not get what Weinstein and his cohost here were talking about insects when I listened to this podcast, and it is because they skipped a step. Weinstein was saying that there are waaay less insects than they were, and his cohost agreed with him, and I thought that was just some worthless anecdotal statement.
Maybe you have heard of CRISPR (Osteo probably thinks it is a way to make a better salad) but basically it is a way to do like a computer and cut, copy, and paste genetic material, and it too is cheap, very cheap in that world.
So here is an article on the use of CRISPR, and once I read it, I got what Weinstein was talking about: https://www.cnet.com/news/the-crispr-machines-that-can-wipe-out-entire-species/.
Applying the technique to a population of malaria-carrying mosquitoes? Well, that might change the world.
In September 2018, a research team at Imperial College, London, led by Andrea Crisanti and featuring pioneer Austin Burt, revealed it had generated a CRISPR gene drive that caused a total population collapse in lab-bred Anopheles gambiae mosquitoes.
The researchers targeted a gene known as doublesex, which acts like a gatekeeper that decides whether a mosquito becomes a male or a female. By altering this gene, the team was able to breed female mosquitoes that were infertile and had mouthparts that could not draw blood. In essence, they flipped a genetic switch that caused females to develop more like males.
As soon as I read this, I knew what Weinstein was referring to and maybe he could not just say what he meant. He was implying these scientific fuckers have already been doing it. They are fucking with insect populations right now, and I am not sure there is any way to catch them doing it.
Fauci is such an arrogant ass he turned back on gain of function research after being told not to and caused the whole fucking pandemic. The irony is how few people get it. The fucker should be in jail, yet so many people want to put a medal on him.
Weinstein's point is well taken. What now? We know these fuckers are so arrogant they think they can contain or control whatever mess they create, and Covid is and was proof that they cannot.
The other irony and this is the scary part Weinstein referred to: these scientists can control the narrative, and you can see how many people, even on here, have bought so much of the crap these "scientists" have been selling even to their personal detriment like Huacho.
RamDavidson84
01-31-22, 05:09
You would help your cause immensely if you took the time to read and understand what you respond to. If you had properly understood my post there would be no need to go back and forth.
"Last year my cash donations came up to almost 25% of my income (and none of that went to a church or other non-profit group). " Yet you respond " I have never met a dude who donates 25% of his hard earned cash to charity. "
I don't donate cash to charities. I help out people who, for whatever reason are in need. The reason is simple. Every non-profit organization uses some of the money for overhead, salaries, advertising, or political donations. If I wanted to pay people to decide which people deserve assistance, I'd start my own charity.
Someone's house burns down and they lose everything, I spend some money helping them recover. Someone has a legitimate need, if I can, I help.
You don't have to guess about what I do with my money. Although your guess is hilarious, since you label ISG as a "filthy sex mongering forum." There's some serious self-hate in that label. You obviously monger, but you consider mongering as filthy. Perhaps we've found the core of your anger.
If my posts are weird and they bother you, it appears the problem lies with you. You claim I'm here 24/7 writing dozens of posts, so I went and looked. That's part of the process of gaining knowledge. If you just blindly accept what you're told, you learn nothing and often end up looking like a fool.
Since I looked at my post history, it made sense to look at yours. At that point you only had 109 posts. It took 2 minutes to scan through and count how many were posted in this thread. Since you now post exclusively in this thread, you're making yourself look worse with every post.
Paulie has jumped in and attacked you many times? Go ask mommy to kiss it and make it better. Then, after you dry your tears, explain why you decided to include me in your response to Paulie. If you had left me out of your rant, we wouldn't be having this discussion..You are weird. I am not saying weird is bad either, but you are a very weird man 100%. You walk around and just hand money out to random people. Its strange man. It seems like you need to buy love and friends with money. You seem pathetic and sad. I actually feel bad for you, I hope you buy yourself some comfort. Still weird, but I honestly feel sad and I ll back off the donating money thing out of pity for a poor old soul. I don't believe in kicking a man when he is down and you have obviously fallen very low to have to give money to strangers to feel some type of love or worth or whatever it is your handing money out to strangers for.
You donating money doesn't bother me, what bothers me is you attack others all the time and can't back up your attacks with facts or logic.
If you must know about me helping people. When I was in my twenties, I did a lot of work related to my career that I wasn't directly paid for. I have grown up since and my time is important to me and I do not work for free anymore. That doesn't make me a bad person, my work is quite valuable and few have the skill, credentials, physical strength, mental strength, or determination to work at my level. My compensation is very fair for the work I do. That is how a free market works. Most men would never have made it through what I have to perform the job that I do and I certainly don't do it for free anymore and will never again. If your a bump on a log and you have never dedicated yourself to a skill or craft, that's a waste of talent in my eyes. If all of society acted like that, it doesn't make for a very productive society, think Cuba or Venezuela.
Look, again I will state that I didn't mean to shatter the feelings of the snowflakes here when I said old people die. Look, its a shitty reality of life. We can't base national policy off saving cancer patients in their 70's and 80's. Its not logical. It is funny to me, that people are so biased they actually can't see that or they know it and are so devoted to their cause they won't admit it publicly or even on an anonymous forum.
Don't blame people for the virus. The virus was spreading no matter what. That's what viruses do. Outside of a total 3 month 100% lockdown, you were not stopping the virus. Biden wasn't stopping it and nether was Trump. Like I have said before, all you can do is let people live their lives, make vaccines available, make masks available, social distance, and other things to slow it down a little, but we can't control it. Had the vaccines actually been close to 90% effective, maybe we could have controlled, but I "think", my "opinion", we were all lied to.
When did I say the US is the only country in the world? But whatever you need to vent and make shit up about again because you can't muster a solid argument.
As for the economy, I live in the real world, interact and work in an urban environment everyday. Look, the poorest people in the country got hit fucking hard from this. They got poorer with out a doubt. Inflation didn't help ether. Crime is bad and people are desperate like I have never seen them. Doing desperate things to make ends meet. Its fucking sad man. Maybe the economy did grow, but I guarantee you the lower class are not better off than before the pandemic. 100% I guarantee that.
I am referring to shaming people who oppose vaccine mandates when we have close to a million cases of covid a day. Some countries want to mandate vaccines for truckers who work by themselves and there is a supply chain shortage. Yea those people need to chill and not shame someone who doesn't support mandates and just wants to work and feed his or her family.
One last final thing, you wrote absolutely nothing valid to any of my arguments. Again, you just look like a sad old soul LOL. It is what it is I guess.
RamDavidson84
01-31-22, 05:19
Read what you wrote. Old people die LOL. What's so funny about that? And you also said let the healthy live. You don't seem to be a Nazi at least not a real German Nazi. But you do seem to be a very angry person. Since you are so smart, what is your solution to the virus and where have you travelled in the last 3 years?Its funny how stupid people can be. I am not laughing at people dying and if you weren't so blindly loyal to your vaccine religion shit, you would have easily understood the actual meaning of my post. You really want to create national policy around people with cancer or diabetes in their 80's dying? It doesn't seem to be the healthiest thing for "all" of society. Again, you can twist my words and put your illogical biased spin on things to make yourself feel good, but I was never laughing at people dying, just laughing at your stupidity.
There is no solution at this point. You are not going to stop the virus. We should be told the truth about how effective the vaccines really were. Let people at least hold on to their jobs and keep the economy strong. Keep the schools open so our youth can receive a proper education and childhood. One thing I will give Biden credit for is he kept things open mostly.
RamDavidson84
01-31-22, 05:24
You have never been to Colombia based on your posting history. In fact based on your posting history you are a virgin. You probably mostly engage in felching.Huachoooooooooo Libreeeeeeeeeee LOL. Huancho, mi amigo, lets get "tacos" some time and drink a few "cervezas". I'll buy because your probably a little "short" on cash. You seem like a bueno amigo hahaha.
LOL, this isn't an attach ether, he jumped in first, I am only responding to "mi mejor amigo".
RamDavidson84
01-31-22, 05:39
Insane? Pretty close. I've got a bit of time to waste, so let's revisit it.
"Old people die Huacho LOL."
Not only does your opening line demonstrate a complete lack of empathy, you tack on a LOL to show that the idea of people dying prematurely is funny to you. If you're arguing that your post wasn't insane, you're off to a bad start.
"You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years. "
I'll give you a pass on the 2 years part, even though in the US, absolutely no attempt was made to control the virus until April 2020. Let's just focus on "we haven't been able to control. "
Every attempt at control has met with fierce resistance. There was even a plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan because people didn't want to wear masks. There was only one 4 week period when the US made a real attempt to control the virus. It was effective. As soon as it became obvious we were having success almost everyone stopped following the measures which were successfully controlling the virus..Let's be clear where you stand. So anyone who doesn't support lockdowns at this point is deranged? Anyone who doesn't support vaccine mandates is deranged? Don't go on some weird rant, just answer the question.
What country besides China has controlled the virus? Okay, maybe there is a dozen other smaller nations that did. Do you 100% believe China, a nation of 1.3 billion people are telling the full truth about the covid response in their country?
You have a few omissions in your data irregularity discussion. The main one is people who were never tested.Unfortunately for your point of view, you got sucked into the most classic wormhole of all time, and you supported my side of the argument by pointing out my omission. Thank you, and I mean that sincerely. We agree more than disagree.
For the sake of the forum, and for me to shift my scattered attention back onto why I am here in Medellin in the first place, you may certainly have the last word if that suits you.
If we ever happen to meet up, I would be happy to bring up the topic again, if you wish. Gracias.
P.S. What you referred to as a pinnacle of my career I view as the nadir. Go figure, jaajja. Two opposites in one post that I can see. Your link was great, it felt so apropos and yet I don't know why, jajajjaa. Ostee Out.
Jjbirdbrain goes into his long-winded posts criticizing others, often implying their lack of intelligence. Here's a couple of examples of his intelligence:
Every job that everyone does helps others.He must consider bodily functions as jobs, since I believe those are the only things that everyone does.
You also said we need to stop shaming, I'm assuming your talking about shaming people who argue that people shouldn't get vaccinated.He appears to not know the proper punctuation to use, and he doesn't know when to use "you're" instead of "your".
Mr Enternational
01-31-22, 17:35
Look, the poorest people in the country got hit fucking hard from this. They got poorer with out a doubt. Inflation didn't help ether. Crime is bad and people are desperate like I have never seen them. Doing desperate things to make ends meet. Its fucking sad man.It is fucking sad, but the poorest people did not get hit hard or get poorer. Nobody is doing anything desperate to make any ends meet.
Crime is up because they made it public they would not arrest people for certain crimes. Therefore someone can go into a store and pick up $999 worth of shit and just walk right out with it, because they won't be arrested unless the value of the theft is $1000.
The government gave out and is still giving out free money and had rent moratoriums all over to help out the poor and hurt the mortgage holders the poor was paying rent to. Many people were able to quit their jobs in order to get more money from the government to stay home than they were making by working. My daughter did not even finish high school, but thanks to all the free money she is getting for her and her kids she was able to buy an Acura SUV. It will be interesting to see how she pays for it and the maintenance when the money stops.
There are tons of businesses desperate for new employees that they are doing things such as giving sign up bonuses and giving daily paychecks. But those you say are desperate and doing anything to try to make ends meet, are not desperate enough to go get one of those jobs. The lower class in the USA is definitely better off now than before the pandemic.
Mr Enternational
01-31-22, 17:45
We should be told the truth about how effective the vaccines really were.Seems the problem is people believing all they are told and nothing they are seeing or experiencing. After all the hard-nosing, #1 mandate champion Justin Trudeau was just announced to have covid. Lot of good that BS did him.
How many NBA players have been vaxed and contracted covid? Several of them have. Meanwhile Kyrie Irving is not allowed to play basketball in New York because he will not get vaccinated and has not caught any covid. At this point even a blind person can see the truth of how effective the shit is and should not need to be told.
You are weird. I am not saying weird is bad either, but you are a very weird man 100%. You walk around and just hand money out to random people. Its strange man. It seems like you need to buy love and friends with money. You seem pathetic and sad. I actually feel bad for you, I hope you buy yourself some comfort. Still weird, but I honestly feel sad and I ll back off the donating money thing out of pity for a poor old soul. I don't believe in kicking a man when he is down and you have obviously fallen very low to have to give money to strangers to feel some type of love or worth or whatever it is your handing money out to strangers for.
You donating money doesn't bother me, what bothers me is you attack others all the time and can't back up your attacks with facts or logic.
If you must know about me helping people. When I was in my twenties, I did a lot of work related to my career that I wasn't directly paid for. I have grown up since and my time is important to me and I do not work for free anymore. That doesn't make me a bad person, my work is quite valuable and few have the skill, credentials, physical strength, mental strength, or determination to work at my level. My compensation is very fair for the work I do. That is how a free market works. Most men would never have made it through what I have to perform the job that I do and I certainly don't do it for free anymore and will never again. If your a bump on a log and you have never dedicated yourself to a skill or craft, that's a waste of talent in my eyes. If all of society acted like that, it doesn't make for a very productive society, think Cuba or Venezuela.
Look, again I will state that I didn't mean to shatter the feelings of the snowflakes here when I said old people die. Look, its a shitty reality of life. We can't base national policy off saving cancer patients in their 70's and 80's. Its not logical. It is funny to me, that people are so biased they actually can't see that or they know it and are so devoted to their cause they won't admit it publicly or even on an anonymous forum.
Don't blame people for the virus. The virus was spreading no matter what. That's what viruses do. Outside of a total 3 month 100% lockdown, you were not stopping the virus. Biden wasn't stopping it and nether was Trump..You wouldn't know a fact or logic if they were both tag team face fucking you. You use neither in your responses and have dodged both in every reply anyone has posted to you. Each of your posts is a continuous blather of logical fallacies combined with irrationality.
Again, you need to read and understand what you have read if you ever want to be seen as anything other than an insane troll.
Never have I said nor insinuated I "walk around and hand out money to random people. "Yet, that's what your deranged, damaged mind sees when I said "Someone has a legitimate need, if I can, I help."
Also again, if you hadn't chosen to pull me into your bitchy little twat fight, my use of my money would have never been mentioned. Accept responsibility for your lunatic behavior.
The economy. You're the one, on a psychotic break, who used the claim about destroying our economy. The economy and the plight of people living in poverty are not the same thing. If your complaint is about the effects on those living in poverty, don't talk about the economy.
Here's another tidbit of insanity from you: you pretend concern for those living in poverty, but you go complete Unibomber when I say that I help out people who are suffering and require assistance.
You just go on living in that fractured hall of mirrors which is your mind. I'll munch on my healthy snacks and wait for your next trip down crazy highway.
Mr Enternational
01-31-22, 18:07
You also said we need to stop shaming, I'm assuming your talking about shaming people who argue that people shouldn't get vaccinated.Who the hell ever argued that people should not get vaccinated? Last I saw there were people arguing that everyone should have to get vaccinated and others arguing that it should be a person's choice on whether to get vaccinated. Nobody is out there trying to stop those that want to get vaccinated do just that.
Why do you guys keep saying this dumb shit? There is pro mandate and pro choice, not pro mandate and anti vaccination. The people that do not want the vax, do not want it for themselves. They are not anti anybody else getting it.
Let's be clear where you stand. So anyone who doesn't support lockdowns at this point is deranged? Anyone who doesn't support vaccine mandates is deranged? Don't go on some weird rant, just answer the question.I see they took off your straitjacket again.
Here's another pro-tip for you: If you want me to answer a question, you need to post a question for me to answer. Rhetorical questions don't count. In case you're unclear on the concept of "rhetorical questions", your two questions above are rhetorical. Since you asked 2 similar questions, then asked me to "answer the question", those questions are clearly not meant to be answered. I've never said, nor insinuated either. I've pointed out that you're deranged, but that's something you illustrate with every post. In the future, ask the question, before asking for my answer.
What country besides China has controlled the virus? Okay, maybe there is a dozen other smaller nations that did. Do you 100% believe China, a nation of 1.3 billion people are telling the full truth about the covid response in their country?Are you completely off your meds today? Did I mention China? I don't recall mentioning China. A quick review of my post shows no mention of China. Why are you bringing up China?
Why are you asking me what other countries have controlled the virus, when I already listed a small sampling of countries which controlled the virus? Is your insanity the result of untreated syphilis? Did you eat mercury as a child? Excessive exposure to lead? I listed 5 countries, none of which are China and you feign ignorance and start talking about China. Discussions about your sanity are warranted.
To make it more insane you say there might be other small nations which controlled the virus. Canada is the second largest nation on earth. Did you instead mean countries with a low population density? Singapore has the third highest population density. Perhaps you just meant countries with a small population? It's difficult to tell with an insane person. The fourth most populous country is Indonesia. Of their population of 273.5 million, 144 k have died from Covid, 0. 05% of the population. Would you prefer Pakistan, the 5th most populous country? The number is 0. 01%. Compare those numbers to the US, where 0. 4% of the population has died from Covid.
Go back to your padded cell. I'm sure someone will be by with your medication soon. Say Hello, to Nurse Ratched for me.
Jjbirdbrain goes into his long-winded posts criticizing others, often implying their lack of intelligence. Here's a couple of examples of his intelligence:
He must consider bodily functions as jobs, since I believe those are the only things that everyone does.
He appears to not know the proper punctuation to use, and he doesn't know when to use "you're" instead of "your".Dementia acting up again?
Your inability to comprehend a simple concept doesn't invalidate the concept.
Every job helps people. Bodily functions are not a consideration, although it's probably time to change your adult diaper.
1. The employer benefits from the employee. No business can succeed if their employees cost more than they produce.
2. The businesses the employee visits benefit from the money the employee spends, money earned from the job.
3. The state government benefits from the employee. They collect more taxes and pay fewer benefits.
4. If the employee has dependents (not the same thing as the Depends you wear), they benefit from the job.
5. The employee benefits from the job, not only from the income, but also from improved mental health. However, you're beyond the point where employment could overcome your issues.
6. If the employee rents a home or buys a car, more people benefit from the job.
7. Most businesses are interdependent. One employee usually has a positive impact on many other businesses.
Ah yes. If you can't dispute the content of a post, grammatical errors are the way to go. Certainly, if someone posts enough, at some point they'll make a mistake.
However, it makes you look rather pathetic, in your case, more pathetic. In the post you quote mined, I used "your" and "you're" 11 times, with only the final use being incorrect. Shall I go through more posts, or would you accept that correct usage at least 90.9% of the time at a minimum suggests I do understand correct usage? The only other option is to believe that I'm lucky beyond belief, guessing right 10 out of 11 times.
Seriously, change that diaper. It's obvious enough that you're full of shit. There's no need to smell like it.
If it was anyone else, I would be baffled. There have been several people on this thread who have claimed people are stupid, deluded, pandering to big pharma, suffering from Dunning Kruger and are suckers for getting vaccinated. You're one of them, as I've illustrated below. There are countless sources, on every platform, claiming the vaccines are dangerous and shouldn't be allowed. Yet, you claim that nobody has ever come out as opposed to vaccination for others?
Who the hell ever argued that people should not get vaccinated? Last I saw there were people arguing that everyone should have to get vaccinated and others arguing that it should be a person's choice on whether to get vaccinated. Nobody is out there trying to stop those that want to get vaccinated do just that.
Why do you guys keep saying this dumb shit? There is pro mandate and pro choice, not pro mandate and anti vaccination. The people that do not want the vax, do not want it for themselves. They are not anti anybody else getting it.Your previous post gave me hope. It was sensical and you made some valid points. Couldn't you have at least remained in touch with reality for 10 more minutes?
This might be beyond your ability to understand. When someone posts that the vaccines are ineffective, that they pose greater health risks than the virus, or that people are stupid for getting vaccinated, what are they really saying? Are they saying, everyone should make the decision on vaccination on their own? Or are they attempting to discourage people from getting vaccinated?
What about people who gloat about being unvaccinated and haven't had Covid? For example:
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I am not against vaccination by the way. But I am going to drag JustTK into this because me and him were 2 unvaccinated fools hanging out together partially wearing masks all over the cesspool of downtown Medellin. I don't know about JustTK, but I felt fine in the days after, and even took a covid test that turned out to be what? NEGATIVE!Especially if they preceded such a statement by pointing out someone who was vaccinated and became infected, it certainly appears to be an attempt to illustrate that it's inadvisable to get vaccinated.
Or perhaps someone who brings up a (possibly fictional) Mexican chick who they claim was fully vaccinated, but managed to have 2 separate Covid infections in less than a month (medically, something which appears to be impossible)? Then, when questioned, claims to be in possession of documentation proving the claim? What message would that person be trying to send?
How about a person who posts something like this:
LOL. One of my chicks in Colombia just struck positive after having 3 doses. She said her 62 year old father has had zero doses and is as negative as can be. Yeah looks like the old saying is true about a sucker being born every minute.Granted, it's entirely anecdotal, up to the last sentence.
Yeah looks like the old saying is true about a sucker being born every minute.Perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but taken in context it appears to be saying that people who get vaccinated are suckers. Did I misread that?
This is off the subject, but worth mentioning. How did someone in Colombia get 2 initial doses of a vaccine and then get a booster dose? Unless they were very old (which seems unlikely with a 62 year old father), they would have needed to wait 6 months (which was reduced to 4 months on Jan 11) after receiving the second dose. Obviously I can't speak for everyone, but the girls I've talked to about vaccination said they were scheduling the 2nd dose 3 months after the first dose. Assuming a person under 35, first dose, June or July, second dose in September or October, with the earliest possible third dose on January 12. It certainly seems unlikely that of the relatively few people, of a reasonable age, in Colombia, who have received a third dose (since booster doses weren't available in Colombia until mid December), you would not only know one, but you would know one with an unvaccinated father.
Again, this is just anecdotal evidence from me, but the vaccine acceptance in Colombia appears to run along family lines. The families I know tend to be vaccinated from the oldest to the youngest. I won't call your post 100% bullshit, but it certainly seems to be leaning towards the "pants on fire" level on the veracity scale.
I could have just pointed out that the bit of my post you quoted clearly states I was assuming the person I replied to was referring to people are anti-vax. But, that approach grossly limits all of the opportunities to illustrate your foolishness.
I'm on the record that vaccination is a matter of choice. It's like making up bullshit anecdotes to try and make a point which you claim to not be making. It's entirely voluntary.
I've never said the government should mandate vaccination. I have pointed out that the government has long mandated various types of vaccines for members of the military. I've pointed out that there have been many other things which the government has mandated throughout history. But those things are merely to show the hypocrisy of people arguing against mandates for the military, or against 1 particular, hypothetical mandate, when they've accepted hundreds of other mandates. I've also pointed out the hypocrisy of people arguing against "Big Pharma", when they have previously asked for or given information on buying generic Viagra in Colombia.
One other thing I've stated is that regardless of your personal stance on vaccination, you are subject to limitations based on vaccination status. If your employer requires vaccination and you fake it, you're subject to termination, if you get caught. If a country requires vaccination for entry and you fake it, if caught you face penalties. You can argue that getting caught won't happen, but everyone who gets caught for anything went in with the belief they wouldn't get caught.
Back to business.
However, private employers which require vaccination, I fully support. I'm assuming everyone, certainly everyone who leans politically towards the conservative viewpoint supports that as well. Hasn't that been a major conservative talking point for decades? Removing government regulation from private companies? Demanding that businesses not be allowed to make business decisions seems anti-capitalist.
RamDavidson84
01-31-22, 21:49
It is fucking sad, but the poorest people did not get hit hard or get poorer. Nobody is doing anything desperate to make any ends meet.
Crime is up because they made it public they would not arrest people for certain crimes. Therefore someone can go into a store and pick up $999 worth of shit and just walk right out with it, because they won't be arrested unless the value of the theft is $1000.
The government gave out and is still giving out free money and had rent moratoriums all over to help out the poor and hurt the mortgage holders the poor was paying rent to. Many people were able to quit their jobs in order to get more money from the government to stay home than they were making by working. My daughter did not even finish high school, but thanks to all the free money she is getting for her and her kids she was able to buy an Acura SUV. It will be interesting to see how she pays for it and the maintenance when the money stops.
There are tons of businesses desperate for new employees that they are doing things such as giving sign up bonuses and giving daily paychecks. But those you say are desperate and doing anything to try to make ends meet, are not desperate enough to go get one of those jobs. The lower class in the USA is definitely better off now than before the pandemic.Well I don't have any hard facts to back up my claim and I fully admit I haven't intensely reviewed huge studies on the topic, but I do work in an urban environment full time, and I regularly deal with the cops, firemen, teachers, and nurses in the city that I live. We all say same shit, city has never been this bad since pandemic. Very strange acts of crime being committed by drug addicts who are mentally ill, youth gun violence, overdoses, long lines at the homeless shelters, etc. The city that I live in, it really looks like things have gotten worse for the lower class. It's burning a lot of city employees out too, a lot of people itching to retire these days. The people you are referring too are people who are quite capable of working if they want to, the people I am referring to have fallen off that edge and no matter how many jobs are available, they ain't getting hired or holding one down. Those number of people, "undesirables", have increased in my opinion. It sure seems like it to me anyway. Again, just my opinion.
RamDavidson84
01-31-22, 22:26
I see they took off your straitjacket again.
Here's another pro-tip for you: If you want me to answer a question, you need to post a question for me to answer. Rhetorical questions don't count. In case you're unclear on the concept of "rhetorical questions", your two questions above are rhetorical. Since you asked 2 similar questions, then asked me to "answer the question", those questions are clearly not meant to be answered. I've never said, nor insinuated either. I've pointed out that you're deranged, but that's something you illustrate with every post. In the future, ask the question, before asking for my answer.
Are you completely off your meds today? Did I mention China? I don't recall mentioning China. A quick review of my post shows no mention of China. Why are you bringing up China?
Why are you asking me what other countries have controlled the virus, when I already listed a small sampling of countries which controlled the virus? Is your insanity the result of untreated syphilis? Did you eat mercury as a child? Excessive exposure to lead? I listed 5 countries, none of which are China and you feign ignorance and start talking about China. Discussions about your sanity are warranted..I knew you wouldn't be able to just answer a simple question haha. I asked about China because I was genuinely interested in your opinion on the topic. And your response confirmed to me that you are too sensitive and triggered about the subject to ever have any type of meaningful debate and I am wasting forum space. At least I pointed out to everyone how sensitive and unstable you are and they too should not put any weight into your posts. Your posts are worthless and you blinded by your anger.
Canada has had 3 million covid cases, you call that controlling the virus? Indonesia and Pakistan have had huge covid numbers as well as had the vast majority of nations on Earth. And the reason Pakistan and Indoneisa have lower covid numbers than USA is because most of their people can't afford testing. We will never know the real numbers of those nations. You are just so clearly clawing to anything that can resemble an argument that it just shows people who you really are, an angry old man who has no ability to look at things objectively anymore because of your biased politics.
Pakistan-1. 5 million cases, yea they really controlled the virus LOL. Indonesia 4. 3 million hahahaha. Global cases 376 million, yea the world did a great job controlling covid. You argue a great point JJB LOL.
I am waiting for another reply from you trying to attack my mental health, LOL on an anonymous forum like it has any effect on me at all, instead of actually trying to use logic to argue your point.
In the mean time, lets follow the JBB policy and mandate vaccines and boosters for everyone even though they are 25% effective and do not prevent transmission and then follow that up with lockdowns to make sure we really bring people together again and build some real unity in the country. LOL.
I have cancelled previous trips to Medellin due to safety concerns and have finally built up the courage to plan a trip. My biggest concern is being drugged with scopalamine or some other incapacitating chemical.
How does one take precautions apart from not leaving your drink unattended? Are there any precautions suggested while you have a girl in the room? Also, what kind of secondary phone should I buy that doesn't attract people with bad intentions? Obviously I won't be walking around with my Iphone 13 pro max. Thank you in advance for your input.Like I said, I'm in Colombia all the time. I'm an airline pilot. I've never been drugged or robbed. I'm also a native Spanish speaker. That being said, don't leave your drink unattended and don't trust anyone. Be watchful of the girl. There was just an issue in Medellin with a guy who was injected with ketamine. See what the girl brings into bed with you. Have her leave her purse somewhere in the room away from the bed. Until you get to know her, if you start searching for regulars, don't trust her. And even after you get to know her be careful.
I swear by tinder even though some guys say it's a good way to get drugged. You can meet a girl on there, even while you're still in the United States if you pay for a premium membership, and build a little bit of rapport. Get to know her and let her get to know you. In addition to having great sex, you can also have someone to hang out with. Some of which will be open to threesomes and introducing you to their friends. I met one that I ended up taking to Cartagena for a long weekend. I hardly gave her any money at all. We had fun, visited the beach, went out at night, and it was really more like having a girlfriend. We had a great time.
Don't have your phone in your hand in the street. People will rob you over a cell phone. Don't wear ultra expensive clothing or shoes. Same with jewelry. Buy an inexpensive unlocked android phone, go to one of the cell phone providers, and activate a line of service for the time that you're there. It's not very expensive. About 40,000 pesos for Internet and unlimited calls. Make sure you take your passport and ask them to register the phone. If they do not register the phone it will be blocked in 14 days. Once it is blocked it will not work on any carrier in the entire country. But once you register it it's registered for life. So when you buy the Sim card have them register it. Do not buy the Sim card at a gas station or the street. Go to one of the main stores in a mall.
I am in the country several times a month, and since my divorce I'm spending a lot more time there on my days off. Since my divorce sex has been my priority since it certainly wasn't a priority for my wife while married. Haha. So hooking up in Colombia Has become my new favorite pastime. I have no experience with girls from the street, brothels, or strip clubs. I know some guys like that sort of thing. I don't particularly.
Mr Enternational
02-01-22, 01:23
If it was anyone else, I would be baffled. There have been several people on this thread who have claimed people are stupid, deluded, pandering to big pharma, suffering from Dunning Kruger and are suckers for getting vaccinated.Big difference in calling someone a sucker for doing something and trying to stop them from doing something. I think you are a sucker for paying those chicks 250K, but that does not mean I am anti you paying them that much and want to force you not to do it. I am all for you having that choice! Once again JjBabbleOn showing a lack of comprehension skills. If you spent half the time reading for understanding as you doing babbling.
RamDavidson84
02-01-22, 02:32
You wouldn't know a fact or logic if they were both tag team face fucking you. You use neither in your responses and have dodged both in every reply anyone has posted to you. Each of your posts is a continuous blather of logical fallacies combined with irrationality.
Again, you need to read and understand what you have read if you ever want to be seen as anything other than an insane troll.
Never have I said nor insinuated I "walk around and hand out money to random people. "Yet, that's what your deranged, damaged mind sees when I said "Someone has a legitimate need, if I can, I help."
Also again, if you hadn't chosen to pull me into your bitchy little twat fight, my use of my money would have never been mentioned. Accept responsibility for your lunatic behavior..The more I read this, the funnier it gets. Look, can we all relax and just laugh a little, yes even you JJB. Honestly, I am a dick sometimes and I jabbed you a little and if your that upset, look my bad dude.
Please let's look how funny this post got though hahahaha. So because for the first time in my life, I am informed that someone donates 25% of their income to people? Charity? Friends? Family? Fire victims?, I don't know LOL. Somewhere, somehow you stated you donate 25% of your money to something, which I think we can all admit is very unordinary and not a very common thing to do. So because I said that's weird, "I need to accept responsibility for my lunatic behavior". HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wow man, you got some very strict standards for lunacy. So if calling someone weird is lunacy, how do you label people who J-Walk LOL, or people make turns without turning on their blinkers LOL? I guess they deserve to be labotomized in your view, correct LOL?
The economy, oh how I love how it always comes back to the economy. So apparently, the lockdowns which in my opinion are not good economically indicates that I am in a state of phycosis LOL. You must be the greatest shrick to ever live to make such a dead accurate diagnosis. Phycologists around the globe need to study the work of Dr. JJBJ with that diagnosis hahahahaha. Clearly anyone who mentions economy and lockdown in the same sentence needs to committed to an institution until recovery lolololol.
Guys, I am truly sorry, according to JBBJ I have gone complete and total 100% "UNIBOMBER! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Dam, I went UNIBOMBER, I swore back in 96' I would never go UNIBOMBER again, but dammit I slipped and it took the world's greatest master criminal detective to finally catch me and bring me to justice, none other than the legendary CSI JBBJ69. Dam, I would have gotten away with my UNIBOMBERING if it weren't for his flawless logic and incredible talents in labeling people unibombers who call out weirdos who give money away to feel special, or at least claim to do so on sex mongering forum hehe.
Of all the things people have called me in my life, the next part is the best. JBJBJ always saves the best for last LOL. JBJB is a true poet because he described my mind as a "fractured hall of mirrors" hahahahhaa. We all need to recognize how clever that actually really is. Like, this guy though of the creepiest thing he could, a hallway full of broken mirrors, but not totally broken, the mirrors are just fractured so you can see a plethora of refections at different angles hahaha. Any he uses this image to portray my mental state hahaha. We all need to bow down to JBJBJ on that one, that is fucking funny man. I can't wait to say that to someone in person. I really can't haha. One time I heard a dude call another called crazy by saying he is"as mad as a box of spiders", but I think I like "hall of fractured mirrors better".
And then to top it all, after saying the most hurtful things he can think of, hes going to have snacks, but not just any snacks. He's having "healthy snacks". Because after a hard session of characters assination, JBJBJ needs some healthy fuel to keep him going.
JBJBJ you are a forum treasure lololololol. Fucking hysterical man. You are still a weirdo, but you are a fucking funny weirdo LOL.
Quite a few of the girls I regularly talk to have been sick recently, only mild illness, out of commission for a few days.
Restaurants should mostly be open in Laureles, along with bars and stores. The only potential problem which could crop up is if the hospitals exceed capacity. I saw a recent article saying ICU beds in Medellin were 96% full and hospital beds were 85% full. Curfews, quarantines and lockdowns are determined by hospital available beds. However, case numbers have been dropping, so it's probably nothing to worry about.Colombia is handing things regarding COVID way better than most other Countries around the world in my opinion.
There are lots of people here that have Omicron, or have had it, besides the former variants as well. There are people coughing all over the place, probably the most pronounced symptom of Omicron, and I witness it every day on the Metro and in the buses.
For most people, and you have to keep in mind that Colombia has a very young population versus other Countries, that Omicron is essentially no more than a "cold", not even as severe as the flu, but there is a very small percentage that may have a very bad outcome.
The Colombian Government about a month ago came out with guidance that essentially said, if you have the classic Omicron symptoms, and your young, don't bother getting tested, which in essence means. "if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, don't bother getting tested.
The case numbers are deceptive if they say there's 2,500 new cases a day, it's probably four times, if not much higher than that.
It's almost as though the Government here is looking at things currently as though COVID is like the flu in the sense of some people are going to perish, so why make such a big deal about it, no differently than the flu in the USA.
Regardless, everything is wide open here without restrictions, and the specter of lockdowns, etc. As you have surmised I don't see happening.
Big difference in calling someone a sucker for doing something and trying to stop them from doing something. I think you are a sucker for paying those chicks 250K, but that does not mean I am anti you paying them that much and want to force you not to do it. I am all for you having that choice! Once again JjBabbleOn showing a lack of comprehension skills. If you spent half the time reading for understanding as you doing babbling.Yes, there is a big difference. The first case is an example of passive-aggressive behavior. It's common from people who are too much of a pussy to come out and say what they mean. In case you're unclear I did just call you a pussy.
Calling you a pussy, when my intent is to call you a pussy is, depending on whether or not I'm inviting discussion, an example of either aggressive or assertive behavior. The second instance you mentioned is also either aggressive or assertive communication.
As for me paying some girls 250 k, I'm able to afford it. I don't have to stay in the cheapest hotels or try to find women who are desperate enough to fuck for free. I enjoy a bit of luxury and my income is sufficient to fund the things which give me pleasure. Paying more and getting more fits well with my personal philosophy. I pay for better furniture, I buy better linens, cookware, cutlery. My focus is on function over form. Does that make me a sucker?
Most of the things I buy I'll use for 10 years or more. The cheapest versions have a useful life of 2-3 years, in the long run, I get more for less.
Which brings us back to paying 250 k for girls. More often than not I pay no more than 200 k, but I am willing to pay more, depending on several factors. What do I get for my money? The first thing I get is more time. Rarely has a girl I've paid 150 k or more spent less than 2 hours in the room with me, and never less than an hour. The longest was about 11 hours for 200 k. That didn't include the 4 hours we spent having dinner and seeing a movie. At 40 k for 30 minutes, that would have cost over 1 million.
The second thing is a hassle free experience. There's never any argument over service or extra charges. Add increased affection as well. People who feel they are being adequately compensated perform their assigned tasks better.
The other benefits are harder to classify. One girl came over one night when she was bored and spent about 4 hours for the price of the taxi. Another time she came over and happily accepted 90 k, for about 2 hours. Another one, who received 150-200 k invited me to her home, fed me and introduced me to her friends, no charge. She also brought a friend along a few times for threesomes for an additional 100 or 150 k. Then there's the girl who talks to me daily, often sends pics or videos, or surprises me with video calls. She's offering to comp me a room at the hotel where she works on my next visit. I've only seen her once for 200 k.
In my opinion, with regards to my needs and desires I get the same or better value for 200 k than I get at 50 k. It also gets me girls who so only 1 date per day, instead of girls who do 4 or more guys daily. That's important to me, but I recall how you were happy to pull a train on a girl provided you didn't have to spend any money. Say what you want, but I'd rather spend a few dollars than coat my body with other men's semen.
I noticed you once again ran away from me calling you out for making shit up. Let me guess. Your 3 shot girl sent you a photo of her vaccination card along with an affidavit from her father attesting he has not been vaccinated. When I call you a pussy it's only because of your constant pussy behavior.
Since you chose to close with reading comprehension, would you like to revisit your closing sentence? It's incomplete. An "if" statement requires a "then" clause. The only exception is if the "then" clause is implied by an earlier sentence. Here's an example:
It's too bad many people no longer trust you. If only you didn't constantly make up bullshit (this would typically be closed with an ellipsis to indicate the implied "more people would trust you".
Good luck with your next series of lies. I look forward to pointing them out.
MarquisdeSade1
02-01-22, 04:19
I knew you wouldn't be able to just answer a simple question haha. I asked about China because I was genuinely interested in your opinion on the topic. And your response confirmed to me that you are too sensitive and triggered about the subject to ever have any type of meaningful debate and I am wasting forum space. At least I pointed out to everyone how sensitive and unstable you are and they too should not put any weight into your posts. Your posts are worthless and you blinded by your anger.
Canada has had 3 million covid cases, you call that controlling the virus? Indonesia and Pakistan have had huge covid numbers as well as had the vast majority of nations on Earth. And the reason Pakistan and Indoneisa have lower covid numbers than USA is because most of their people can't afford testing. We will never know the real numbers of those nations. You are just so clearly clawing to anything that can resemble an argument that it just shows people who you really are, an angry old man who has no ability to look at things objectively anymore because of your biased politics.
Pakistan-1. 5 million cases, yea they really controlled the virus LOL. Indonesia 4. 3 million hahahaha. Global cases 376 million, yea the world did a great job controlling covid. You argue a great point JJB LOL.
I am waiting for another reply from you trying to attack my mental health, LOL on an anonymous forum like it has any effect on me at all, instead of actually trying to use logic to argue your point..How many suicides from the lockdowns.
How many malnourished kids because parents can't go to work?
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/indias-staggering-covid-19-death-toll-million-study/story?id=81897534
The world must make the CCP pay dearly for all this!!
Mr Enternational
02-01-22, 05:37
This is off the subject, but worth mentioning. How did someone in Colombia get 2 initial doses of a vaccine and then get a booster dose? No need to waste time wondering, assuming, and hypothesizing. How many times have I tried to teach you that it is easier to just ask someone.
She got the first dose in March, second dose 15 days later in April, and got the third dose (which really fucked her up) November 27. Or maybe I am inventing this person too. LOL.
MarquisdeSade1
02-01-22, 05:41
Like I said, I'm in Colombia all the time. I'm an airline pilot. I've never been drugged or robbed. I'm also a native Spanish speaker. That being said, don't leave your drink unattended and don't trust anyone. Be watchful of the girl. There was just an issue in Medellin with a guy who was injected with ketamine. See what the girl brings into bed with you. Have her leave her purse somewhere in the room away from the bed. Until you get to know her, if you start searching for regulars, don't trust her. And even after you get to know her be careful.
I swear by tinder even though some guys say it's a good way to get drugged. You can meet a girl on there, even while you're still in the United States if you pay for a premium membership, and build a little bit of rapport. Get to know her and let her get to know you. In addition to having great sex, you can also have someone to hang out with. Some of which will be open to threesomes and introducing you to their friends. I met one that I ended up taking to Cartagena for a long weekend. I hardly gave her any money at all. We had fun, visited the beach, went out at night, and it was really more like having a girlfriend. We had a great time...Just please don't say you work for Ted Christie LOL.
Elvis 2008
02-01-22, 06:18
Canada has had 3 million covid cases, you call that controlling the virus? Indonesia and Pakistan have had huge covid numbers as well as had the vast majority of nations on Earth.JJBee is a Democratic douche in denial. For him, masks are a symbol that you are compliant with the government, a good soldier. For me, masks are to prevent illness, and if I had my way, I would choose to only wear them around sick people.
I tell the people here that I have simple advice about Covid. Be careful at home especially with mass gatherings because that is where I am seeing most Covid cases happening and if you do not want to get Covid, really just try to avoid sick people. Before omicron, asymptomatic transmission IMO was bullshit.
So JJBee is a proud mask wearing, vaccine getting American. He is a loyal soldier in the fight against Covid, and people like myself are rebels. A person like myself applying common sense and defying ridiculous government mandates is the enemy.
So JJBee gets sick with Covid. Where? At home. Doing what? At a mass gathering. Was he wearing a mask? Of course not. How do I know? Because if he was, he would not have gotten sick. He even chides people about the vaccine and says he does not want there to be any conspiracy about the vaccine after it fails him.
It gets sadder. He does not take hydroxycholoroquine, which was actually used by the Chinese for Covid early on, because he thinks it is toxic to the heart. I presume he thinks Ivermectin is for horses.
Then the inflammation of Covid starts. This is where steroids come in, and heparin has anti-inflammatory properties, but the best drugs in this class are monoclonal antibodies (MAs). To a Democratic douche, this is the weak ass shit Trump got and may have saved him so MAs suck.
Every person I have seen get monoclonal antibodies has an immediate termination of the progression of the disease. Does JJBee get them? Of course not. That would be smart, and we are talking about JJBee here.
The crazy part about MAs is the government wants doctors to use them on people before they get that sick. It is stupid. Trump got them when he was very sick, and I saw a family member pleading with a doctor to put a patient on the MAs. The doctor was just about to put this patient on a ventilator which is likely to mean death. The family member pleads with the doctor to give them. The doctor does so, and the patient gets better and is discharged from the hospital 48 hours later. That is how well they can work.
Trump has a miraculous recovery too when put on MAs. Boris Johnson was not given them, and he almost died.
Now with omicron, sadly there is only one kind of monoclonal antibody that works. See the link: https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2022/01/just-one-monoclonal-antibody-drug-works-against-omicron-its-in-short-supply-at-nj-hospitals.html.
Now here is the kicker with Biden. He is buying up masks, vaccines, and tests, but the SINGLE most effective treatment against Covid? THAT is in short supply. It is unfucking real.
Covid is not really that bad. It is the body's overreaction to it that seems to be deadly. So after the immune system kicks in with inflammation, the next phase, and often the worst, is blood clots. Blood clots happen so often with Covid that blood thinners are routinely given.
Does JJBee get the blood thinners? Do I really need to answer that? He then goes to Colombia while sick and for whatever reason does not consider he may have Covid and spreads it.
You can tell who the Democratic douches are because none of them will criticize JJBee, and you know why? Because to them, he is a model citizen. He wears masks in public, social distances, got vaccinated, and even defended the vaccine after he got sick. The only part that is deviant with him is that he is not bunkered in like Paulie and Huacho. If he was a model Democrat, he would not leave his house.
I get that my advice is confusing and technical at times so I will make it simple. Whatever JJBee did about Covid, if you do the exact opposite, you will probably be fine.
Mr Enternational
02-01-22, 06:25
Calling you a pussy, when my intent is to call you a pussy is, I guess I am what I eat.
As for me paying some girls 250 k, I'm able to afford it. I don't have to stay in the cheapest hotels or try to find women who are desperate enough to fuck for free. Damn I struck a fucking nerve with this guy! I did not know you really give chicks 250K. I just made that number up as a hypothetical. And you went off to write 10 paragraphs explaining why you give chicks 250K.
Looks like you could not even find chicks to fuck for 250K last time you were in Medellin spreading covid to the entire population. I remember you reporting taking chicks to lunch by the dozen, yet fucking a grand total of ZERO. Or maybe it was 1 to be on the safe side.
I know you look for extreme accuracy in these reports, so I better give myself a margin of error. Looks like there really is a such thing as a free lunch (for chicks that know you). Keep up the charitable luncheons you rest haven you.
Colombia is handing things regarding COVID way better than most other Countries around the world in my opinion.
There are lots of people here that have Omicron, or have had it, besides the former variants as well. There are people coughing all over the place, probably the most pronounced symptom of Omicron, and I witness it every day on the Metro and in the buses.
For most people, and you have to keep in mind that Colombia has a very young population versus other Countries, that Omicron is essentially no more than a "cold", not even as severe as the flu, but there is a very small percentage that may have a very bad outcome.
The Colombian Government about a month ago came out with guidance that essentially said, if you have the classic Omicron symptoms, and your young, don't bother getting tested, which in essence means. "if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, don't bother getting tested.
The case numbers are deceptive if they say there's 2,500 new cases a day, it's probably four times, if not much higher than that..Based on lessons learned.
..... you have to keep in mind that Colombia has a very young population....Yabba dabba doo!
MarquisdeSade1
02-01-22, 15:23
Who the hell ever argued that people should not get vaccinated? Last I saw there were people arguing that everyone should have to get vaccinated and others arguing that it should be a person's choice on whether to get vaccinated. Nobody is out there trying to stop those that want to get vaccinated do just that.
Why do you guys keep saying this dumb shit? There is pro mandate and pro choice, not pro mandate and anti vaccination. The people that do not want the vax, do not want it for themselves. They are not anti anybody else getting it.https://amgreatness.com/2022/01/29/a-public-health-reckoning-is-coming/
The world must make the CCP pay dearly for all this!!Don't throw stones in glass houses. If anyone is to blame assuming its a leak, it would be the usa.
MarquisdeSade1
02-01-22, 15:57
Don't throw stones in glass houses. If anyone is to blame assuming its a leak, it would be the usa.Yeah that's right, blame the victim.
Almost 1 million dead.
You know the country that banned gain of function research.
Are you defending those 3 letters more than anything else?
Or is it just more of your visceral hatred for anything white / American?
Colombia is handing things regarding COVID way better than most other Countries around the world in my opinion.
There are lots of people here that have Omicron, or have had it, besides the former variants as well. There are people coughing all over the place, probably the most pronounced symptom of Omicron, and I witness it every day on the Metro and in the buses.
For most people, and you have to keep in mind that Colombia has a very young population versus other Countries, that Omicron is essentially no more than a "cold", not even as severe as the flu, but there is a very small percentage that may have a very bad outcome..She was crying in tears yesterday from the body aches plus cough. She went to the ER and they told her she did not have Covid and sent her home with a shot that made her feel better. She is in the significantly large cohort who has the disease, tests negative and therefore is not counted as an active case. Probably the largest cohort, those who were never tested, had Covid, and never treated or counted, along with your intuition that there are probably four times as many cases as are being counted more or less proved my QED point in Stupid that the data is not simply imperfect, it is corrupt beyond being useable. This has never happened before on this scale of medical history because it is the first "Internet" epidemic, along with many other methodology factors.
The Colombians are smarter than the Americans and they are ignoring the useless data and acting on empirical observation. This is the "natural course" I predicted. We are transitioning into the "current state from lessons learned phase" I predicted. I haven't had a strike on this topic yet, let alone an out. I know it's tough on those of you who invest so much ego into your intellect, but the truth often is hard to handle, channeling Jack Nicholson.
Ostee Out and Keep On Keepin' On. I am not feeling the love at this current moment. I will not respond to any direct comments on this post.
MarquisdeSade1
02-01-22, 18:19
JJBee is a Democratic douche in denial. For him, masks are a symbol that you are compliant with the government, a good soldier. For me, masks are to prevent illness, and if I had my way, I would choose to only wear them around sick people.
I tell the people here that I have simple advice about Covid. Be careful at home especially with mass gatherings because that is where I am seeing most Covid cases happening and if you do not want to get Covid, really just try to avoid sick people. Before omicron, asymptomatic transmission IMO was bullshit.
So JJBee is a proud mask wearing, vaccine getting American. He is a loyal soldier in the fight against Covid, and people like myself are rebels. A person like myself applying common sense and defying ridiculous government mandates is the enemy.
So JJBee gets sick with Covid. Where? At home. Doing what? At a mass gathering. Was he wearing a mask? Of course not. How do I know? Because if he was, he would not have gotten sick. He even chides people about the vaccine and says he does not want there to be any conspiracy about the vaccine after it fails him.
It gets sadder. He does not take hydroxycholoroquine, which was actually used by the Chinese for Covid early on, because he thinks it is toxic to the heart. I presume he thinks Ivermectin is for horses.
Then the inflammation of Covid starts. This is where steroids come in, and heparin has anti-inflammatory properties, but the best drugs in this class are monoclonal antibodies (MAs). To a Democratic douche, this is the weak ass shit Trump got and may have saved him so MAs suck..https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/johns-hopkins-researchers-lockdowns-covid/2022/02/01/id/1054965/
Silver Turtle
02-01-22, 18:43
Colombia is not handling covid well. In spite of the moderate size of population, Colombia ranks 10th for the covid death and 13th for the total cases in the world. I agree that the real case number could be 3-4 times of the official number since very few Colombians take covid tests. Probably, Colombia should rank around 5-7th for total cases.
Colombia is handing things regarding COVID way better than most other Countries around the world in my opinion.
There are lots of people here that have Omicron, or have had it, besides the former variants as well. There are people coughing all over the place, probably the most pronounced symptom of Omicron, and I witness it every day on the Metro and in the buses.
For most people, and you have to keep in mind that Colombia has a very young population versus other Countries, that Omicron is essentially no more than a "cold", not even as severe as the flu, but there is a very small percentage that may have a very bad outcome.
The Colombian Government about a month ago came out with guidance that essentially said, if you have the classic Omicron symptoms, and your young, don't bother getting tested, which in essence means. "if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, don't bother getting tested.
The case numbers are deceptive if they say there's 2,500 new cases a day, it's probably four times, if not much higher than that..
No need to waste time wondering, assuming, and hypothesizing. How many times have I tried to teach you that it is easier to just ask someone.
She got the first dose in March, second dose 15 days later in April, and got the third dose (which really fucked her up) November 27. Or maybe I am inventing this person too. LOL.So let's be clear on this. You're saying that she's over 60 years old, with a 62 year old father? Damn! I've heard of starting young, but knocking someone up within days of taking your first step is downright amazing. Shit. No wonder he's never had Covid. He's Superman! On March 15,2021 vaccines were authorized for people age 60-79 in Colombia.
I know. She's a front line healthcare worker right? That's the only possible way she could be younger than 60 and get vaccinated in March. Except that only lowers her minimum age to 50. November 19,2021 was the date when booster shots were first authorized for anyone in Colombia and they were required to be 50 or older to receive a booster. It's like you intentionally try to prove that you just make shit up.
Good thing you always have a WhatsApp screenshot for proof. There's no way to fake that.
Elvis 2008
02-01-22, 19:20
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/johns-hopkins-researchers-lockdowns-covid/2022/02/01/id/1054965/Yeah, MDS, we got guys saying now that Colombia is smartly handling Covid right. They are letting the disease run its course. They are being smart now.
Thing is this country shut out international travel for seven months. Stupid. And they locked down for years. Even more stupid.
People though forget why Colombia changed course. Colombia got everything right after the people revolted. Canada is next in line to be reset.
So yeah, Colombia is handling things better now than the USA but look what it took to get there.
Elvis 2008
02-01-22, 19:25
Don't throw stones in glass houses. If anyone is to blame assuming its a leak, it would be the usa.Nah, what China did early on with the virus was abhorrent. They are #1. We are #2 in blame for sure though, and it bugs me to no end that guys like Fauci and Daszak have escaped punishment.
Every job helps people. Now JJbirdbrain is a liar by omission. In his original post, which I copied in my post, he stated "Every job that everyone does helps others. " Completely different from what he wrote and gave seven reasons to substantiate his altered statement. It would have been much simpler if he had just listed one job that everyone does. Instead, he seems obsessed with my bowel movements.
Ah yes. If you can't dispute the content of a post, grammatical errors are the way to go.This was part of his reply to one of my posts:
5. You don't know the difference between "ones" and "one's. ".He is a typical liberal Democrat, "for thee, but not for me".
Just please don't say you work for Ted Christie LOL.No. I fly for a legacy airline not a budget airline.
Mr Enternational
02-01-22, 21:56
So let's be clear on this. You're saying that she's over 60 years old, with a 62 year old father?
I know. She's a front line healthcare worker right? That's the only possible way she could be younger than 60 and get vaccinated in March. Except that only lowers her minimum age to 50. Why didn't you put a fake background on your fake messages the same as I have on my real ones? LOL. Dude you are one dumb mf. Where did I ever say she was 60 or even 50? You are the one that makes things up. Think you know everything but do not know anything.
Yes she is a nurse and she is only 32, not 60 or 50. I know that is getting your big brain to start to figure why it could not possibly be true.. Hmm. Let's add this up.. Her father is 62 and she is 32, so that must mean her mother is 3. Yep. You busted me once again. Her time traveling space alien mother is only 3. My plan of ISG domination has been foiled once again. That will teach me to try to put one over on old Sugar Daddy Sherlock. It is impossible to dupe him.
Now if you will excuse me I have chicks to fuck while you spend your time pursuing your life goal of making things up about people making things up and taking chicks to lunch so that you can spread covid to them. Come on ladies, let Sugar Daddy Sherlock take you for a free lunch so he can give you some of this tender love and covid. Huancho must be rolling over in his basement right know knowing that spent all that money and vacation time to go down there and give those poor people covid. That was one hell of a charitable donation!
MarquisdeSade1
02-01-22, 22:10
No. I fly for a legacy airline not a budget airline.Please don't be staying out all night when I'm aboard LOL.
MarquisdeSade1
02-01-22, 22:12
Why didn't you put a fake background on your fake messages the same as I have on my real ones? LOL. Dude you are one dumb mf. Where did I ever say she was 60 or even 50? You are the one that makes things up. Think you know everything but do not know anything.
Yes she is a nurse and she is only 32, not 60 or 50. I know that is getting your big brain to start to figure why it could not possibly be true.. Hmm. Let's add this up.. Her father is 62 and she is 32, so that must mean her mother is 3. Yep. You busted me once again. Her time traveling space alien mother is only 3. My plan of ISG domination has been foiled once again. That will teach me to try to put one over on old Sugar Daddy Sherlock. It is impossible to dupe him.
Now if you will excuse me I have chicks to fuck while you spend your time pursuing your life goal of making things up about people making things up and taking chicks to lunch so that you can spread covid to them. Come on ladies, let Sugar Daddy Sherlock take you for a free lunch so he can give you some of this tender love and covid. Huancho must be rolling over in his basement right know knowing that you went down there and gave those people covid.Everyone should just put that psychotic fool on ignore!
Colombia is not handling covid well. In spite of the moderate size of population, Colombia ranks 10th for the covid death and 13th for the total cases in the world. I agree that the real case number could be 3-4 times of the official number since very few Colombians take covid tests. Probably, Colombia should rank around 5-7th for total cases.I am writing this on the fly. Off the top of my head and I am sure I will make errors of omission. When comparing the US to Colombia, what were the outcomes of the vaccinated patients, other than life or death? What were the hospitalization rates? What was the overall Cost to Treat each case? What was the cost of not treating? Are we comparing same branded vaccines or different vaccines? Are the two countries using the same collecting and reporting methodology? What was the percentage of each of the many related cohorts related to Covid identified in previous posts and not just death rates?
Plus, as you may have surmised by now, the entire data set is fatally flawed making meaninful comparisons moot. This is not a case of imperfect data. This is the Purrfekt Storm in medical history for the clusterfuk of all time in handling a classic population health issue, Vaccination. Thank you Internet or what I refer to as a Professorial Brain With Alzheimers.
The sky is not falling because this is a pansy virus with low mortality rates. All these "measures" and interventions youse guys are discussing you would not even be a consideration if this were the real scary shit like a disease with an attack rate of 50% and a mortality rate of 50%. Then you will be looking at martial law, burning bridges, quarantine islands, barbed wire, vigilante justice, apocalypse zombie movie, extinction events, end-of-the-world stuff. I am surprised all from all the choices those "Preppers" or end-of-the-world nutjobs have, supervolcano, asteroids, global warming, gamma ray burst, etc. I never saw a TV episode on super infection plague. That would be my guess. One of the many reasons we fucked Covid up so much is because there are too many of us still left alive to fuck it up.
Changing course and ignoring the data proves Colombia is smart, and smarter than the USA. In a way, they were probably forced into it because of their limited resources. Governmental budgetary restraints. What happened before now and how we got here doesn't matter other than learning from the mistakes. If you take into consideration the resources Colombia has to utilize compared to the USA, which is the country with the most excess and glut of any country in the world (don't talk to me about national debt or trade deficits, that's not the point) then Colombia looks like an Ivy League graduate while the USA is still in grammar school.
Colombia is getting ahead of the curve and transitioning to a current state mindset from lessons learned, either by plan or default.
Please don't be staying out all night when I'm aboard LOL.Oh, you're back with your fantasy travels again. Where are you going this time? Which fantasy monger trip are you taking this time. Thailand, Germany, Philippines, or is it Medellin this time? Jajajaja.
Colombia is not handling covid well. In spite of the moderate size of population, Colombia ranks 10th for the covid death and 13th for the total cases in the world. I agree that the real case number could be 3-4 times of the official number since very few Colombians take covid tests. Probably, Colombia should rank around 5-7th for total cases.Well you are right that Colombia is 13th in total cases and 10th in total deaths but is that an analytically sound way to look at it? Of course not. A country that has 1/10 the population of Colombia and has 1/2 as many cases is doing dramatically worse. If you are getting your information from Worldometer (a great source). Try clicking on the cases per million. That will do a lot to normalize the total cases and death counts.
Colombia is 83rd in the world for total cases per 1 million.
Colombia is 23rd in the world for deaths from CoVid per 1 million.
Colombia is 110th in the world for CoVid testing per 1 million.
Why didn't you put a fake background on your fake messages the same as I have on my real ones? LOL. Dude you are one dumb mf. Where did I ever say she was 60 or even 50? You are the one that makes things up. Think you know everything but do not know anything.
Yes she is a nurse and she is only 32, not 60 or 50. I know that is getting your big brain to start to figure why it could not possibly be true.. Hmm. Let's add this up.. Her father is 62 and she is 32, so that must mean her mother is 3. Yep. You busted me once again. Her time traveling space alien mother is only 3. My plan of ISG domination has been foiled once again. That will teach me to try to put one over on old Sugar Daddy Sherlock. It is impossible to dupe him.
Now if you will excuse me I have chicks to fuck while you spend your time pursuing your life goal of making things up about people making things up and taking chicks to lunch so that you can spread covid to them. Come on ladies, let Sugar Daddy Sherlock take you for a free lunch so he can give you some of this tender love and covid. Huancho must be rolling over in his basement right know knowing that spent all that money and vacation time to go down there and give those poor people covid. That was one hell of a charitable donation!One of your funniest recent posts, jajaja. Good stuff. I said I would stay out of it but this doesn't count, jeje.
Wow if those are the top 10 I'd hate to see with the bottom 10 look like.
Yeah that's right, blame the victim.
Almost 1 million dead.
You know the country that banned gain of function research.
Are you defending those 3 letters more than anything else?
Or is it just more of your visceral hatred for anything white / American?The victims are the people of USA. The criminals are the government. The country that banned GoF on its on territory but then went ahead and sponsored it in other countries. And didn't do any due diligence to make sure appropriate safety protocols were in place. Yes, that country.
I am not sure what "3 letters" you refer to.
I don't hate everyything white nor American. I like Jeremy Corbyn, Noam Chomsky, Bernie Sanders, Jimmy Dore. All white. I like Galapagos, Santa Marta and Guatape. All American.
I like Galapagos, Santa Marta and Guatape. All American.Maybe your IQ is actually in the triple digits after all, jajajajaajaa.
Wow if those are the top 10 I'd hate to see with the bottom 10 look like.Thanks for that.
RamDavidson84
02-02-22, 01:29
Yeah that's right, blame the victim.
Almost 1 million dead.
You know the country that banned gain of function research.
Are you defending those 3 letters more than anything else?
Or is it just more of your visceral hatred for anything white / American?Not fair to accuse JustTk of bigotry. TK posts fairly from his perspective and debates in good faith from what I have seen.
MarquisdeSade1
02-02-22, 01:43
The victims are the people of USA. The criminals are the government. The country that banned GoF on its on territory but then went ahead and sponsored it in other countries. And didn't do any due diligence to make sure appropriate safety protocols were in place. Yes, that country.
I am not sure what "3 letters" you refer to.
I don't hate everyything white nor American. I like Jeremy Corbyn, Noam Chomsky, Bernie Sanders, Jimmy Dore. All white. I like Galapagos, Santa Marta and Guatape. All American.If they are white and they want to give you everyone else's money, medical care, housing etc etc etc etc for no other reason than you probably illegally invaded their country.
Then you like them. Does that sound about right?
No. I fly for a legacy airline not a budget airline.I get it, you imply it is the opposite of Spirit, Aruba, etc, but it sounds like there may be more to it?
I guess I am what I eat.But you don't eat pussy. Don't worry. I'll prove it and I'll even use your logic. Bear with me.
Damn I struck a fucking nerve with this guy! I did not know you really give chicks 250K. I just made that number up as a hypothetical. And you went off to write 10 paragraphs explaining why you give chicks 250K.Truly you have a dizzying intellect.
Let's just be clear on this. You're saying, because I wrote a long post, you must have struck a nerve? That's a spectacular example of the reasoning ability you're famous for.
Have you forgotten that I'm famous for my long posts? You've mentioned it a few times. You've even claimed, more than once that you're unable to read my posts. However, you keep replying to things you claim you're unable to read. I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but once someone gets into the habit of lying, they unconsciously lie about things, even things which they prove to be lies.
10 paragraphs? Still mastering your numbers, I see. Try Sesame Street. The actual number was 6. I guess you lost track when you had to switch hands after 5. Considering the source it's to be expected. However, the cause of your inaccuracy is a bit of a conundrum. Was it because of your habitual lying, or your inability to reason.
Looks like you could not even find chicks to fuck for 250K last time you were in Medellin spreading covid to the entire population. I remember you reporting taking chicks to lunch by the dozen, yet fucking a grand total of ZERO. Or maybe it was 1 to be on the safe side.
I know you look for extreme accuracy in these reports, so I better give myself a margin of error. Looks like there really is a such thing as a free lunch (for chicks that know you). Keep up the charitable luncheons you rest haven you.By the dozen? Damn I'm good! Once again it's necessary to explain numbers to you. There were only 4 girls, but the most I ever took to lunch was 3. However, we had lunch at the restaurant where the fourth girl was working, which got us a free appetizer. I did have all 4 at my apartment at one time, and ordered pizza, but that was dinner. I also took 2 of them to dinner, twice (but the second girl each time was different). There was another breakfast, lunch and dinner with 2 of them as well. I almost forgot. There was another lunch with 3 of them, but not the same 3 as the first lunch. By the way, how do you fit a dozen girls into a Volkswagen sedan?
And absolutely there is a free lunch, or dinner, or breakfast for any girl who knows me. What kind of cheap bastard won't pay for a meal for a pretty girl they know? I'll also buy them drinks and, when needed, buy my own condoms. I'm such a spendthrift.
Let's dive into the subject of logic systems. All logic systems share one requirement, they must be consistent in application. For example, the number system, it must be consistent in order to have any meaning. I realize it's cruel to bring up numbers when you've shown you don't understand them, but it's probably the easiest logic system to explain. The interval between each whole number is exactly 1. 1+1=2, 2+1=3. Always. For everyone. 6=6 and 10=10. If sometimes 6=6 and sometimes 6=10 then the system is useless.
Now, with that very brief tutorial, we can return to the task we're both focused on, making you look like a fool.
If, on my last trip to Colombia, I only had sex with 1 woman, because you only recall me posting about having sex with 1 woman, then your logic system requires that nobody does anything, when visiting another country, unless they post about it on the appropriate ISG forum. Nobody ever takes a shit in Colombia. Very few people eat when in Colombia. Most people never fuck in Colombia. Many people magically transport themselves to Colombia, because they don't go into details about how they arrived.
Furthermore, you don't eat pussy and, to the best of my recollection, you almost never fuck when in Colombia. You have reported that you've paid whatever price and taken a girl to a room, but I don't remember any posts where you actually stated that you had sex with the woman. Remember, if it's not applied consistently, it's just nonsense.
However, as you keep demonstrating, just because something is posted on ISG doesn't mean it's true. Therefore, your logic system is flawed, because false reports on ISG implies not everything which happens gets reported on ISG. That's got to be a relief for the guys who live in Medellin, because none of them post every time they bathe, use the restroom, or eat.
Of course, there's always a simpler explanation. With very few exceptions, I don't share contact information. When I fuck, who I fuck and how much I paid serves no purpose. There are exceptions. If I fuck at a casa or strip club, my experience is helpful to others because they can visit the same place and know what to expect. The same applies to the guys who pull girls from the street in El Centro, or Parque Lleras, or a club like Gusto. The venue can be used by anyone.
Another exception is if there was something unusual about a session, which was the case with the 1 report which you may or may not recall.
This is all obvious from my posts. When I visit, I mostly post about things which might be of interest to others. If I spend time sightseeing, ride the Metro, go to a mall, eat at a restaurant, or hang out with some regular girls, it might answer a question someone has. With my encounters, I post about the generics, rather than the specifics. What services were included? Was she on time? How long did she stay? Was there anything out of the ordinary? The stuff which is useful for guys taking their first trip, or using Facebook for the first time.
Now to the final subject. When I was "in Medellin spreading Covid to the entire population. " Let's introduce you to another concept you clearly don't understand, the burden of proof. It's got two sides. One side, if you make a claim, if the claim is questioned, it's up to you to prove your claim. If you are questioning someone else's claim you must establish a reasonable doubt.
It's the way the legal system in the US is supposed to work. If you are charged with, for example, neglect of a dependent (like your daughter, who you recently stated you neglected), then the prosecution must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, your guilt. On the other hand, you would only have to introduce the reasonable doubt. All clear?
This is the second time you claimed I was responsible for the widespread infection of many people. The first time you claimed I spread it all over the continent. This time you are claiming I spread it to everyone in Medellin. Go ahead. Prove it. I'll even make it easy for you. All you have to do is show a significant increase in the number of Covid cases in Medellin during or within 2 weeks after my visit. The date range is June 17-24,2021. Add 2 weeks and your cutoff date is July 8. If you can show a significant increase in Covid cases occurred within that date range, I'll accept that I was the only person responsible for every additional infection.
Spoiler alert. The number of new cases in Antioquia on June 17 was 7234 and dropped every day, with 3034 new cases reported on July 8. Once again you fall flat on your face.
I'm being ridiculously generous here. Technically I am only required to create a reasonable doubt. There were at least 2 regular contributors to ISG who met up with me on that trip, as reported by them. If one or both did not contract COVID after meeting me and before July 8, then your claim is bullshit.
Of course, I could make it even easier for me. You claimed I was only in close contact with 1 person in Medellin. Which makes it impossible for me to spread Covid to the entire population. I would have needed to be in close contact with everyone in Medellin to spread Covid to the entire population. Quite a feat to get within handshake range of 2. 5 million people (assuming you meant only the population of Medellin and not the Medellin metro area) in 7 days. Maybe I'm the one who is Superman.
Do I need to count the paragraphs I used for each point? Or do you have someone who can count them for you?
Now JJbirdbrain is a liar by omission. In his original post, which I copied in my post, he stated "Every job that everyone does helps others. " Completely different from what he wrote and gave seven reasons to substantiate his altered statement. It would have been much simpler if he had just listed one job that everyone does. Instead, he seems obsessed with my bowel movements.
This was part of his reply to one of my posts:
He is a typical liberal Democrat, "for thee, but not for me".Damn. That was downright hurtful. I was expecting something stupid from you (you seldom disappoint) and was looking forward to asking if you're really that stupid. What do you do? You come up with something so stupid it would be silly to ask the question.
Let's introduce you to the humble synonym. Synonyms are words or phrases with the same meaning. For example:
"I showed how stupid you are" and "I demonstrated how stupid you are" are synonyms. I guess, because of your obvious mental deficiency, I should clarify that synonyms aren't always synonyms. "Show" and "demonstrate" don't always have the same meaning.
Equally, "every job helps people" and "every job that everyone does helps others" are synonyms. In this case "that everyone does" is redundant and "others" and "people" are obviously both talking about people.
Now of my 7 reasons, unless you assume that businesses are not owned and operated by people, also employing people, then 6 reasons are entirely valid for either phrase. Only 1 reason doesn't apply to both, the benefit to the person doing the job, since "others" negates consideration of personal benefit.
As for your bowel movements, you shit yourself every time you think you're going to score points against me, so it's a rather obvious topic. It's also interesting that people who are falsely accused deny the accusation, while people who are guilty try to deflect the accusation. I guess you acknowledging the adult diaper situation makes up for negating my "are you really that stupid" question.
You left something out.
Ah yes. If you can't dispute the content of a post, grammatical errors are the way to go.In the post which you quoted, where I pointed out a grammatical error, the grammatical error was only 1 point. The 5 in front of it should have clued you in. There were 6 other points, each one disputing the content of your post.
What is it with people not understanding the if / then sentence construct? "If you can't dispute the content of a post. " If the content of the post has been disputed, the exclusion or inclusion of grammatical errors has no bearing. Now, if I had left everything else out and only pointed out your error, your point would have been valid. Maybe next time you'll do better. So it's quite clearly a case of "for thee and for me. " Looks like another diaper change is needed.
I should point out one last thing. The voting for the January 3 I award (ISG insane idiot) ended on January 31. Are you guys just trying to get a jump on February, or did you forget what day it was?
RamDavidson84
02-02-22, 04:35
LOL So a certain forum member keeps private messaging me like a *****. I have tried several times to call him out here but I am guessing the forum administrators won't let me post about him because he blocked me or reported a post I made. The guy will shit on people and then proclaim to the forum he will not respond to any posts. The same guy always posts about how he hangs out with the Trannies in centro and loves to just "talk" with them for information hahaha. This guy is a real Astronaut but with an O at the front if you catch my meaning. And for the record, I am not attacking him, this coward shell of a man keeps private messaging me telling me to leave the forum and that no one likes me hahaha. It it really is funny why people waste their breath with that pussy shit. Anyway, everyone here can make up their mind about the type of dude Astronaut is. He is definitely not someone I would even acknowledge in person. Love you guys forever and roll on forever with love and so much for T-King Astronaut hahahahaha. Fucking Pussy haha.
Why didn't you put a fake background on your fake messages the same as I have on my real ones? LOL. Dude you are one dumb mf. Where did I ever say she was 60 or even 50? You are the one that makes things up. Think you know everything but do not know anything.
Yes she is a nurse and she is only 32, not 60 or 50. I know that is getting your big brain to start to figure why it could not possibly be true.. Hmm. Let's add this up.. Her father is 62 and she is 32, so that must mean her mother is 3. Yep. You busted me once again. Her time traveling space alien mother is only 3. My plan of ISG domination has been foiled once again. That will teach me to try to put one over on old Sugar Daddy Sherlock. It is impossible to dupe him.
Now if you will excuse me I have chicks to fuck while you spend your time pursuing your life goal of making things up about people making things up and taking chicks to lunch so that you can spread covid to them. Come on ladies, let Sugar Daddy Sherlock take you for a free lunch so he can give you some of this tender love and covid. Huancho must be rolling over in his basement right know knowing that spent all that money and vacation time to go down there and give those poor people covid. That was one hell of a charitable donation!Sorry. I don't know what you are talking about. I've never bothered to change the background on my WhatsApp. Does it somehow make WhatsApp work better? Anyone I message only sees the background they use, so changing the background is completely useless. Except, if someone is faking messages and they need to hide the watermark a fake message editor uses. Then it makes sense.
As for granny's age, I already went over that. I'll do it again, with additional details and I'll try to type slower so you can keep up.
She could have received her first dose in March and possibly her second dose 15 days later, although that's highly unlikely. More on that later.
However, unless she is over 50, there is no way she could have received a booster on November 27. Boosters were only authorized for age 50 or older at that time in Colombia. No exceptions. The earliest she could have received a booster dose was December 21.
Now, why is it unlikely she received a second dose 15 days after the first? Because, of all the vaccines used in Colombia, only 1 has a dosing schedule which makes a 15 day interval possible. That's the CoronaVac vaccine, from China, with a 2-4 week dosing schedule. The Johnson and Johnson vaccine is only 1 dose and the minimum for the Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Moderna vaccines were all longer. The shortest interval was 3 weeks, initially, for Pfizer.
To make it more unlikely, the initial supply of CoronaVac was sent exclusively to the departments bordering Brazil, because it is more effective against the gamma variant. Add to that the fact that CoronaVac is the least used vaccine in Colombia.
In conclusion, it's possible, but unlikely, she received a second dose 15 days after the first. However, it's not possible that she received a booster dose on November 27.
As I've stated several times, as long as you continue to make shit up, I'll continue to point it out.
It's time for confession, so I can atone for my sins and purify my soul.
It's recently been stated I've committed the unforgivable sin of buying lunch for women, and I admit it is true. Because of my work, I almost always eat alone, and often I'm pressed for time, unable to just relax and enjoy the meal.
When I have the time, like when I'm on vacation, I enjoy meeting others for meals. Often, I'm willing to pay for whoever joins me. I know, everyone is shocked I would admit to such a heinous act. However, I value honesty, so I must confess.
It gets worse, much worse. Sometimes I buy meals for women who I am not having sex with. Sometimes I even do the unthinkable and buy meals for male friends. I don't even make them give me a handjob. I've even bought ingredients and cooked for others. Yes, I've even given food to homeless people.
I completely understand if you can't bear to read the rest. It's quite possibly the most atrocious act ever committed.
I don't know who to blame for such outlandish behavior. Did it start in childhood, when I was fed every day and never once was required to pay, or provide sexual services? Is it an overcompensation from my Navy days and all those free meals, when I was often figuratively getting screwed?
It could all come from one specific evening. There were 3 of us, who often went out drinking together. One Saturday night 2 of us were broke and couldn't afford to go to our favorite bars (extra credit for anyone who has done the Kingston Shuffle). We were sitting around the house which the other 2 shared, probably complaining. The third guy came downstairs and asked if we were ready to go. When we told him we couldn't afford it, he pointed out his income tax return had just come in and asked if we thought we could drink up $1100. We tried.
It was quite the night. We bought all the cheap champagne the bar had. We were each walking around with a pitcher of beer, refilling glasses for all the women. We were even dancing with bottles of champagne in hand. If I remember correctly, the bar tab was less than $200, mostly for the $10 a bottle champagne. At $3 a pitcher, it's tough to spend a lot on beer and it was only a beer and wine bar.
Back to my confession.
In Colombia it's not too expensive. I took 3 girls to one of the more expensive restaurants and I spent less than $100. Probably the most egregious transgression happened late last year. I went to a butcher shop and spent $200 on a big, prime rib roast, 8 pounds. I gave it to my sister, who is a fantastic cook, and told her my brother and I would be over for dinner the next night. A sister, brother and brother in law and I didn't even get a kiss.
There's more. So much evil in me.
I've given a few girls a loaded Civica card for the Metro, probably with $10 worth of rides. At one place I stayed I gave a big bag of Colombian coins to the receptionist. Probably 30 k or more. All because I didn't feel like schlepping around 3 pounds of useless metal. I've bought clothes, sex toys and tchotchkes. I once brought a bottle of moderately expensive body spray for the women to use and one girl misunderstood and took the bottle with her.
I could go on, but I don't want to be responsible for the distress to everyone reading this.
I know it's a lot to ask, but isn't there anyone who could ever forgive me? I admit to my weakness and it's likely I'll commit these despicable acts again. Just knowing someone, somewhere has ever done such a horrible thing will give me the strength to go on.
LOL So a certain forum member keeps private messaging me like a *****. I have tried several times to call him out here but I am guessing the forum administrators won't let me post about him because he blocked me or reported a post I made. The guy will shit on people and then proclaim to the forum he will not respond to any posts. The same guy always posts about how he hangs out with the Trannies in centro and loves to just "talk" with them for information hahaha. This guy is a real Astronaut but with an O at the front if you catch my meaning. And for the record, I am not attacking him, this coward shell of a man keeps private messaging me telling me to leave the forum and that no one likes me hahaha. It it really is funny why people waste their breath with that pussy shit. Anyway, everyone here can make up their mind about the type of dude Astronaut is. He is definitely not someone I would even acknowledge in person. Love you guys forever and roll on forever with love and so much for T-King Astronaut hahahahaha. Fucking Pussy haha.So you're saying he does the same stuff privately that you do publicly? The nerve of him!
There's a simple solution. Instead of crying about it here, just add him to your ignore list. He will no longer be able to message you, you won't have to read, or scroll through any of his posts and you won't feel the need to attack him and then say you aren't attacking him.
It's really easy to do. Just click on his name on any of his posts or messages. Click on "View profile". Then just click on "add to ignore list. " I think you also need to confirm you want to add him to your ignore list. It should only take a few seconds.
I can't speak for the admins, but it's possible they feel the posts are completely unnecessary bullshit and serve no purpose. It's happened to me many times. I don't always agree with their decisions, but I understand why they make them and try to learn from the experience.
Shagmeister7777
02-02-22, 14:45
Like I said, I'm in Colombia all the time. I'm an airline pilot. I've never been drugged or robbed. I'm also a native Spanish speaker. That being said, don't leave your drink unattended and don't trust anyone. Be watchful of the girl. There was just an issue in Medellin with a guy who was injected with ketamine. See what the girl brings into bed with you. Have her leave her purse somewhere in the room away from the bed. Until you get to know her, if you start searching for regulars, don't trust her. And even after you get to know her be careful.
I swear by tinder even though some guys say it's a good way to get drugged. You can meet a girl on there, even while you're still in the United States if you pay for a premium membership, and build a little bit of rapport. Get to know her and let her get to know you. In addition to having great sex, you can also have someone to hang out with. Some of which will be open to threesomes and introducing you to their friends. I met one that I ended up taking to Cartagena for a long weekend. I hardly gave her any money at all. We had fun, visited the beach, went out at night, and it was really more like having a girlfriend. We had a great time.
Don't have your phone in your hand in the street. People will rob you over a cell phone. Don't wear ultra expensive clothing or shoes. Same with jewelry. Buy an inexpensive unlocked android phone, go to one of the cell phone providers, and activate a line of service for the time that you're there. It's not very expensive. About 40,000 pesos for Internet and unlimited calls. Make sure you take your passport and ask them to register the phone. If they do not register the phone it will be blocked in 14 days. Once it is blocked it will not work on any carrier in the entire country. But once you register it it's registered for life. So when you buy the Sim card have them register it. Do not buy the Sim card at a gas station or the street..Thank you for such a helpful response. I'll PM you when I'm on the ground in Medellin. Maybe we can go grab a beer or two.
No need to waste time wondering, assuming, and hypothesizing. How many times have I tried to teach you that it is easier to just ask someone.
She got the first dose in March, second dose 15 days later in April, and got the third dose (which really fucked her up) November 27. Or maybe I am inventing this person too. LOL.In my own humble way, I'm going to try to end the endless argument about Mr. E's girl's claim and the endless arguments thereafter.
So here is an excerpt from 'vaccinations Colombia' the Wikipedia page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_Colombia
Booster doses:
On 16 September 2021, accompanying updates to the national vaccination plan, the Ministry of Health approved booster doses for people aged over 70. The first booster doses were administered on 1 October. On 19 November 2021, the minimum age was lowered to 50. On 21 December 2021, the minimum age was lowered to 18..
What JjBee62 is trying to tell you is that Colombia didn't start giving Boosters (3rd shots) to people under the age of 50 until December 21, 2021.
So, Mr. E. What does that mean?
1. Your girl didn't get her shots in Colombia.
2. Or she lied about her shots.
3. Or you made up the whole thing and got caught out because you didn't do your homework.
Mr Enternational
02-02-22, 21:15
What JjBee62 is trying to tell you is that Colombia didn't start giving Boosters (3rd shots) to people under the age of 50 until December 21, 2021.
So, Mr. E. What does that mean?
1. Your girl didn't get her shots in Colombia.
2. Or she lied about her shots.
3. Or you made up the whole thing and got caught out because you didn't do your homework.You are aware that this chick is a nurse right? Maybe they are able or have to get shots before the general public. Because she did not want to get them in the first place, but it was required for her job. (Care to do homework on that?) I do not know and do not care. Either way it does not benefit nor disenfranchise me whether or when she got shots and neither does she have anything to gain by lying about shots.
What kind of homework should I be doing? All I can do is ask and report what is said. I do not have enough time on my hands to be making things up or doing "homework" to report something on a hooker board, nor to write 10 paragraphs about it. If it is something quick and simple then I don't mind asking someone, but I am not going around digging up and researching bullshit like this. My school days are over!
So, Mr. E. What does that mean?
1. Your girl didn't get her shots in Colombia.
2. Or she lied about her shots.
3. Or you made up the whole thing and got caught out because you didn't do your homework.Number 3 is a sure bet, and in typical online discussion forum.
Fashion, pulling anecdotes out of his ass he goes along.
You are aware that this chick is a nurse right? Maybe they are able or have to get shots before the general public. Because she did not want to get them in the first place, but it was required for her job. (Care to do homework on that?) I do not know and do not care. Either way it does not benefit nor disenfranchise me whether or when she got shots and neither does she have anything to gain by lying about shots.
What kind of homework should I be doing? All I can do is ask and report what is said. I do not have enough time on my hands to be making things up or doing "homework" to report something on a hooker board, nor to write 10 paragraphs about it. If it is something quick and simple then I don't mind asking someone, but I am not going around digging up and researching bullshit like this. My school days are over!Genial! We solved the problem. You didn't make up anything or lie about anything. Your nurse friend either didn't get her shots in Colombia, or lied about it to you or she doesn't know the difference between November and December. That should end this chapter.
Oh and the front line health workers may have gotten their first and / or second shots earlier than the age parameters but that wasn't prescribed for the booster shots.
Mr Enternational
02-03-22, 01:24
Genial! We solved the problem. You didn't make up anything or lie about anything. Your nurse friend either didn't get her shots in Colombia, or lied about it to you or she doesn't know the difference between November and December. That should end this chapter.
Oh and the front line health workers may have gotten their first and / or second shots earlier than the age parameters but that wasn't prescribed for the booster shots.Who sent you guys? You Sugar Daddy Sleuths cold busted her. I guess she will not be receiving that 8 million dollar early vax prize now. Her life is going to be in ruins when she finds out. If it was not for the meddling antics of the Sugar Daddy Sleuths she would have gotten away with the whole thing. Great work guys. Now you get to split the 8 million amongst yourselves if you ever find your way out of those basements.
Oh the horror!Apocalypse Now.
Mr Enternational
02-03-22, 07:40
In conclusion, it's possible, but unlikely, she received a second dose 15 days after the first. However, it's not possible that she received a booster dose on November 27.Babble babble babble. Skip you, Draw 4.
What JjBee62 is trying to tell you is that Colombia didn't start giving Boosters (3rd shots) to people under the age of 50 until December 21, 2021.
So, Mr. E. What does that mean?
1. Your girl didn't get her shots in Colombia.
2. Or she lied about her shots.
3. Or you made up the whole thing and got caught out because you didn't do your homework.All of your precious homework gone to waste. Skip you. Draw 4.
Number 3 is a sure bet, and in typical online discussion forum.
Fashion, pulling anecdotes out of his ass he goes along.Remind us, Why are you even on ISG anyway? Skip you. Draw 4.
Looks like tonight's winning lottery numbers are 2/19, 3/12, and 11/27? How is that even possible?
Only thing that was lied about was the $8 million because I knew you ladies would not be coming out of your basements to collect (except for maybe JjBabbleOn - neither rain, sleet, nor snow will keep him from his covid spreading duties.) Now if you Sack-Sucking Sugar Daddy Sleuths could take each others' dicks out of your mouths long enough; looks like you have some goal post moving to do.
You are aware that this chick is a nurse right? Maybe they are able or have to get shots before the general public. Because she did not want to get them in the first place, but it was required for her job. (Care to do homework on that?) I do not know and do not care. Either way it does not benefit nor disenfranchise me whether or when she got shots and neither does she have anything to gain by lying about shots.
What kind of homework should I be doing? All I can do is ask and report what is said. I do not have enough time on my hands to be making things up or doing "homework" to report something on a hooker board, nor to write 10 paragraphs about it. If it is something quick and simple then I don't mind asking someone, but I am not going around digging up and researching bullshit like this. My school days are over!Yet you have the time for this? You had the time to come up with a possible explanation? The same thing for the Mexican chick. You had time to get proof from her that she was infected twice with Covid, after vaccination, in less than a month, but you didn't have time to find out such an occurrence is not possible?
There is no requirement nor allowance in Colombia for boosters based on risk of exposure (such as for front line healthcare workers). Unlike the stages of vaccination, the booster schedule considered only the age of the recipients.
"The rollout began with people over 70 because this age group has lower immune capacity and higher mortality rates, and for them a third dose can be especially protective."
You keep repeating the same cycle and each time you end up spending more time coming up with an explanation than you would have spent finding out your claim isn't possible. For example, if you had mentioned initially that you were talking about a nurse, and said she got a her booster at the beginning of January, problem solved.
Better yet, you could have avoided the entire subject by not even posting. If, as you keep claiming, you have no opposition to vaccination, just your own personal beliefs, the post made no sense. Vaccinated people can still get Covid, something everyone knows. Unvaccinated people can avoid being infected, also something everyone knows. Unless you're anti-vax, pointing out individuals who are vaccinated who got infected and pointing out individuals who are unvaccinated and haven't been infected is silly.
That's like pointing out people who wear seatbelts who have been in an accident and people who don't wear seatbelts who haven't been in an accident. The purpose of the seatbelt isn't to prevent all accidents. The purpose is to improve the odds of survival if you're in an accident.
To run that analogy into the ground, you could also point out someone who wore a seatbelt and died in an accident and someone who survived an accident without injury, no seatbelt (I've seen both, the unbelted person was me and was the reason I started using a seatbelt many years before any seatbelt laws). However, not much is based on anecdotal evidence. If it was, you could make any claim. Some people shoot themselves in the head and survive, therefore everyone should shoot themselves in the head. Do you understand now why it's silly?
Yet, even though you're too busy, it doesn't stop. You pointed out that I had Covid (which I posted 7 months ago), even though I'm vaccinated, and that you are unvaccinated and haven't had Covid. Twice. You brought up the conundrum to modern medicine, the miraculous Mexican chick. You brought up the nurse who apparently stole a dose of vaccine and her unvaccinated father. When does it end?
One last look at your final paragraph. "All I can do is ask and report what is said." Why report it in the first place? I hope that nobody is making health decisions based upon whether or not you know a person. Just think of how much time that saves you. First, you save the time it takes to post. Then you save the time reading the posts asking how it's possible. Add on the time it takes to ask and then reply to the questions. Let's not forget the time it takes to have the discussion with the girls. I know whenever I ask a girl something out of the ordinary, I can expect a "por que" in response. All just a waste of time when absolutely nobody benefits from reading you know a vaccinated person who has had Covid, or an unvaccinated person who hasn't.
Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting you should stop posting. I'm just saying, especially if you don't want to waste time, think before you post. Is the post of any use to anyone? Is the information in the post valid? Is the post going to cause more problems than it might solve?
To cut you off, I'm often just as guilty, although usually I'm replying to a post, rather than originating a chain of discussion. However, for every post which I put up, there's at least one post which I decided wasn't worth it. I try. If you try as well it will save us both some time.
Apocalypse Now.Thank you! That was my first good laugh of the day.
Babble babble babble. Skip you, Draw 4.
All of your precious homework gone to waste. Skip you. Draw 4.
Remind us, Why are you even on ISG anyway? Skip you. Draw 4.
Looks like tonight's winning lottery numbers are 2/19, 3/12, and 11/27? How is that even possible?
Only thing that was lied about was the $8 million because I knew you ladies would not be coming out of your basements to collect (except for maybe JjBabbleOn - neither rain, sleet, nor snow will keep him from his covid spreading duties.) Now if you Sack-Sucking Sugar Daddy Sleuths could take each others' dicks out of your mouths long enough; looks like you have some goal post moving to do.No goal post moving required. Hang on a second. I thought you were supposed to be too busy fucking? I can't imagine that you're interrupting all that fucking to get someone to send you a photo of their vax card and then posting about it, while taking the time to copy and paste from 3 different posts.
Back to those goal posts.
You have previously stated you have successfully traveled with a fake vax card. That certainly suggests a photo of a vax card isn't definitive proof. Unfortunately, it gets more difficult for you. Your previous "proof" stated the mystery woman got her first dose in March and her second dose in April, 15 days later. Sadly, the first dose on that piece of paper was February 19 and the second was March 12,21 days later.
On the plus side, those dates fit within the 21 day interval which was in effect in Colombia at that time for the Pfizer vaccine (it was lengthened to 84 days in June).
But, it's somewhat perplexing how someone could confuse March with February, April with March and 15 with 21. Then again, I was baffled how you could confuse 10 with 6. I guess we'll never know.
It's somewhat disturbing that while you're fucking, you fantasize about 3 men, 2 who are over 60, all sucking each other's dick. I guess you got to do what you got to do to get it up for a woman. Have you considered Viagra instead, or is gay oral sex the only thing you're interested in?
Also, I'm pretty sure you're 0 for 3 on the basement thing. No basement here. If there was, flooding would certainly be a risk. Considering where (if I remember correctly) Paulie lives, a basement is unlikely. As for Villainy, he lives in Medellin. Are there any hotels in Medellin with basement rooms? Plus he just posted about a recent session, so you can't claim you meant it figuratively.
It sure is a good thing you are too busy fucking to waste your time.
Elvis 2008
02-03-22, 23:43
Only thing that was lied about was the $8 million because I knew you ladies would not be coming out of your basements to collect (except for maybe JjBabbleOn - neither rain, sleet, nor snow will keep him from his covid spreading duties.) Now if you Sack-Sucking Sugar Daddy Sleuths could take each others' dicks out of your mouths long enough; looks like you have some goal post moving to do.Come on, Mr. E, you should know by now that no one never does anything illegal in Colombia.
Mr Enternational
02-04-22, 10:28
You have previously stated you have successfully traveled with a fake vax card. That certainly suggests a photo of a vax card isn't definitive proof.Where is the definitive proof that you were given the real vaccine and not a fake one? Didn't you get covid after all those shots that were going to prevent you from getting covid? So of course the vaccine that you were given was just salt water.
I can't believe they let your infected ass into Colombia to spread disease to those nice Colombians. Somebody really dropped the ball with that one. You should be banned for life. You knew that you were a covid carrier before you even stepped on that plane. Having a real card and fake vaccines did you absolutely no good and allowed you to harm innocent Colombians.
Where is the definitive proof that you were given the real vaccine and not a fake one? Didn't you get covid after all those shots that were going to prevent you from getting covid? So of course the vaccine that you were given was just salt water.
I can't believe they let your infected ass into Colombia to spread disease to those nice Colombians. Somebody really dropped the ball with that one. You should be banned for life. You knew that you were a covid carrier before you even stepped on that plane. Having a real card and fake vaccines did you absolutely no good and allowed you to harm innocent Colombians.Look at you. Coming off all high and mighty. You ought to be banned for life for having a fake vaccination card. You're the type who would cheat on your taxes too. I hope you get caught. Because you don't give a damn about anybody but yourself, as much as you (only sometimes) try to come off some other way. Oh, and by the way, I didn't know that somebody had to be a "pinko commie" to care about their fellow man during a public health pandemic.
Elvis 2008
02-04-22, 19:18
Covid is going out not with a bang but a whimper:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/03/white-house-omicron-next-phase-pandemic-00005033
Biden and his top health officials have already begun hinting at an impending "new normal," in a conscious messaging shift meant to get people comfortable with a scenario where the virus remains widespread yet at more manageable levels.
"We are moving toward a time when Covid doesn't disrupt our daily lives," said one senior administration official, who requested anonymity to discuss the internal deliberations. "But in order to get people to view the pandemic differently, they have to feel differently about the pandemic. ".
Or as they say in South Park terms, "And it is gone. " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DT7bX-B1Mg.
Look at you. Coming off all high and mighty. You ought to be banned for life for having a fake vaccination card. You're the type who would cheat on your taxes too.As for vaccine shaming, I think in a month, we shall see that too being a case of "And it is gone."
Where is the definitive proof that you were given the real vaccine and not a fake one? Didn't you get covid after all those shots that were going to prevent you from getting covid? So of course the vaccine that you were given was just salt water.
I can't believe they let your infected ass into Colombia to spread disease to those nice Colombians. Somebody really dropped the ball with that one. You should be banned for life. You knew that you were a covid carrier before you even stepped on that plane. Having a real card and fake vaccines did you absolutely no good and allowed you to harm innocent Colombians.Still wasting that time which you've repeatedly said you weren't going to waste? I guess the plans for fucking fell through. Did the blow-up sex doll you pulled from a dumpster spring a leak? Or did it just turn you down?
You constantly amaze me. Every time I think you couldn't possibly be more stupid, you exceed my expectations. On the plus side, you have done a great job of making yourself look ridiculous.
When and where did anyone, anyone smarter than pig shit, say that any vaccine was guaranteed to prevent 100% of Covid infections? I'll wait.
Nothing? If someone had guaranteed me I was 100% immune I would have laughed at them. I've covered this several times, but apparently the terminally stupid failed to understand. I'll cover it again.
Vaccines do 3 things:
1. They reduce the risk of infection. Reduce, not eliminate.
2. They reduce the risk of a vaccinated, infected person infecting others. Reduce, not eliminate.
3. They reduce the risk of serious illness or death for vaccinated, infected persons. Reduce, not eliminate.
If you're finished fantasizing about me, we can move on.
Where's the definitive proof I was vaccinated with the vaccine? It starts with my vaccine card. The batch number used on the date administered, matches with the batch number used by the hospital on that date. The batch number used by the hospital, through the chain of custody records, matches the batch number shipped to the hospital, to be used during the period when I received the vaccine.
How do I know I wasn't injected with salt water? I didn't develop an infection in my arm and there was no abscess. You don't inject salt water into people. There's all kinds of nasty stuff in salt water. Instead, a sterile saline solution is used.
Really? I knew I was a Covid carrier before I stepped on that plane. I suppose that would make sense to you. I doubt if it makes sense to anyone else. Let's look at the evidence.
Assuming, I knew I was infected before I got on the plane, why did I wait until the day before my return flight to get tested? I could have gotten tested when I arrived, then got the required certificate of recovery the day before I returned, without adding 2 weeks in quarantine.
Even if I decided to take a chance and wait to get tested, why didn't I first move to a cheaper hotel? As far as that goes, why would I even bother quarantining? If, according to your fantasy, I knew I was infected, and had spent 10 days "infecting the entire population", why put myself into quarantine? Nobody except the lab knew I was infected.
It gets more unlikely. I met up with several friends, including a few BMs, in Medellin. Would I knowingly expose friends to Covid? For reference you can go back to November 2020 when I had strep throat. I developed symptoms Monday, started antibiotics Tuesday and remained isolated until late Thursday. With treatment strep throat is no longer contagious after 24 hours. To be on the safe side, I gave it 48 hours before I left the apartment, all posted on ISG.
If I knew I had Covid, would I have immediately contacted my friends to warn them, once I tested positive? Would I have posted about it here.
One more tidbit for you. I stayed in Envigado, not far from Sabaneta. Explain the mechanism used for me to infect "the entire population" of Medellin, from the south end of Envigado? Those "girls by the dozen" (4 girls) are all from Envigado, except for 1 who lives at the southern tip of Itagui, close to San Antonio del Prado.
I'm also still waiting for you to show an increase in new cases in Antioquia during or shortly after my visit.
I can make it simple for you, but you're going to have come to Indianapolis. I'll show you my medical records which will show no Covid test was performed, and that I had no definitive Covid symptoms. I'll put through a chain of custody request to the hospital where I was vaccinated. I'll even buy you a replacement blow-up doll, so you can get back to all that fucking you were supposed to be doing.
Where is the definitive proof that you were given the real vaccine and not a fake one? Didn't you get covid after all those shots that were going to prevent you from getting covid? So of course the vaccine that you were given was just salt water.
I can't believe they let your infected ass into Colombia to spread disease to those nice Colombians. Somebody really dropped the ball with that one. You should be banned for life. You knew that you were a covid carrier before you even stepped on that plane. Having a real card and fake vaccines did you absolutely no good and allowed you to harm innocent Colombians.You left some stuff out.
"Your previous "proof" stated the mystery woman got her first dose in March and her second dose in April, 15 days later. Sadly, the first dose on that piece of paper was February 19 and the second was March 12,21 days later."
Add in that your initial "proof" said she got the booster dose 7 months later on November 27. October, September, August, July, June, May, April. That's 7 months, close to 8 months if the second dose was in early April, and 8. 5 months according to the vax card.
So, a nurse, doesn't know the months of the year and can't count?
RamDavidson84
02-04-22, 23:00
Still wasting that time which you've repeatedly said you weren't going to waste? I guess the plans for fucking fell through. Did the blow-up sex doll you pulled from a dumpster spring a leak? Or did it just turn you down?
You constantly amaze me. Every time I think you couldn't possibly be more stupid, you exceed my expectations. On the plus side, you have done a great job of making yourself look ridiculous.
When and where did anyone, anyone smarter than pig shit, say that any vaccine was guaranteed to prevent 100% of Covid infections? I'll wait.
Nothing? If someone had guaranteed me I was 100% immune I would have laughed at them. I've covered this several times, but apparently the terminally stupid failed to understand. I'll cover it again.
Vaccines do 3 things:
1. They reduce the risk of infection. Reduce, not eliminate.
2. They reduce the risk of a vaccinated, infected person infecting others. Reduce, not eliminate.
3. They reduce the risk of serious illness or death for vaccinated, infected persons. Reduce, not eliminate.
If you're finished fantasizing about me, we can move on...Where do you find the time and energy to write these posts? At least mix it up, it's the same thing over and over again. You are either fighting with Mr. E or defending the lies of the vaccine. Throw a change up in there.
Where do you find the time and energy to write these posts? At least mix it up, it's the same thing over and over again. You are either fighting with Mr. E or defending the lies of the vaccine. Throw a change up in there.Not true at all. Among other things, I've also made fun of you. Admittedly, that's low hanging fruit, because you make it so easy.
I'll even make it easy on you. Link at least 1 peer-reviewed study from a reputable publication which shows the vaccines are ineffective. If I'm defending the lies of the vaccine, it should be easy to find a peer-reviewed study which shows the vaccines do nothing.
Here's an example for you. This one was published in The Lancet, a very reputable publication. Unfortunately for you, the study found the Pfizer vaccine to be highly effective.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21) 02183-8/ fulltext#seccestitle70.
Let's see your evidence.
I knew you wouldn't be able to just answer a simple question haha. I asked about China because I was genuinely interested in your opinion on the topic. And your response confirmed to me that you are too sensitive and triggered about the subject to ever have any type of meaningful debate and I am wasting forum space. At least I pointed out to everyone how sensitive and unstable you are and they too should not put any weight into your posts. Your posts are worthless and you blinded by your anger.
Canada has had 3 million covid cases, you call that controlling the virus? Indonesia and Pakistan have had huge covid numbers as well as had the vast majority of nations on Earth. And the reason Pakistan and Indoneisa have lower covid numbers than USA is because most of their people can't afford testing. We will never know the real numbers of those nations. You are just so clearly clawing to anything that can resemble an argument that it just shows people who you really are, an angry old man who has no ability to look at things objectively anymore because of your biased politics.
Pakistan-1. 5 million cases, yea they really controlled the virus LOL. Indonesia 4. 3 million hahahaha. Global cases 376 million, yea the world did a great job controlling covid. You argue a great point JJB LOL.
I am waiting for another reply from you trying to attack my mental health, LOL on an anonymous forum like it has any effect on me at all, instead of actually trying to use logic to argue your point..I missed this little bit of insanity from you. I'm sorry it's taken me so long to help make you look like an idiot. By the way, I have no need to attack your mental health. All I'm doing is pointing it out. Shall we get to it?
First thing, you didn't ask a simple question. You made a statement and asked me to answer a question which you never asked.
Besides your obvious insanity, you seem to have problems with honesty. If you were genuinely interested in my opinion on anything, you would ask in a way which is not insulting. There's the difference. I've seen your opinions, they're garbage. I have no interest in them and I don't pretend to be interested in them. But enough of pointing out your insanity, dishonesty and bullshit. Let's get to the meat.
Using the latest data, 23% of the US population has tested positive for Covid. 0.27% of the US population has died from Covid.
Canada: 8% of the population has tested positive for Covid. 0.9% of the population has died from Covid.
Indonesia: 1. 6% of the population has tested positive for Covid. 0.05% of the population has died from Covid.
Pakistan: 0. 66% of the population has tested positive for Covid. 0.13% of the population has died from Covid.
Now remember, the original comparison was between the US and other countries. It's quite obvious that at least those three countries have had much better outcomes than the US. I can easily find several more, but that's sufficient. After all, you originally stated that nobody has been able to control Covid. Just another insane statement from you since all the information is freely available.
You also, in another moment far from sanity, that the people in Pakistan and Indonesia couldn't afford Covid testing. Both countries have long been providing free Covid tests. How poor do you have to be to be unable to afford something which is free?
You are correct that Pakistan isn't testing enough. A maximum of 10% of all tests with positive results is acceptable to be testing enough people and Pakistan has a positive rate of 10.65%. The ideal amount of testing will have a positive rate of less than 3%. Indonesia has a positive rate of 2. 69, which means they are testing enough to be catching almost every case.
But what about the US? 20.1%. That's right, the country where the people are too poor to afford a free test is testing nearly twice as many people per capita as the US.
Now on to your final bit of insanity and dishonesty at least in this post.
As I've stated several times, more than once in reply to you, I've never called for vaccine mandates. I've also not posted an opinion on lockdowns since some time in 2020.
I thought you were in favor of logic. Lying about what others have posted is another logical fallacy. Are you unable to tell the truth, or are you too insane to recognize the difference?
I eagerly await your next example.
RamDavidson84
02-05-22, 14:58
I missed this little bit of insanity from you. I'm sorry it's taken me so long to help make you look like an idiot. By the way, I have no need to attack your mental health. All I'm doing is pointing it out. Shall we get to it?
First thing, you didn't ask a simple question. You made a statement and asked me to answer a question which you never asked.
Besides your obvious insanity, you seem to have problems with honesty. If you were genuinely interested in my opinion on anything, you would ask in a way which is not insulting. There's the difference. I've seen your opinions, they're garbage. I have no interest in them and I don't pretend to be interested in them. But enough of pointing out your insanity, dishonesty and bullshit. Let's get to the meat.
Using the latest data, 23% of the US population has tested positive for Covid. 0.27% of the US population has died from Covid.
Canada: 8% of the population has tested positive for Covid. 0.9% of the population has died from Covid..So you are going to just keep posting bullshit instead of taking an actual stance on mandates and lockdowns? I have stated plenty of times I think the vaccine is very useful and important. I am not looking up a study on it as I don't care that much and I don't have the time. Common sense would indicate that due to the number of post-vaccine infections and deaths that the vaccines were not 95%-90% effective. If you care so much, post a recent peer reviewed study to show me they are 95%-90% effective.
Bro, I am trying to help you out. You look weird when you go on these rants calling people crazy when they haven't done anything crazy and they just have a different opinion than you. Although, I guess for strange reasons, you will not state your opinion on mandates, lockdowns, or Chinese corruption? Or have you?, I don't know and I am not looking back to research it. Or you can hide in the shadows and don't take a stance. This playa don't give a fuck either way, I can assure you LOL.
More lies and disinformation from a couple of fake doctors, spreading anti-vax myths:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Fxxrudk70
I have science on my side. Here, I will show you the proof:
Mr Enternational
02-05-22, 15:47
When and where did anyone, anyone smarter than pig shit, say that any vaccine was guaranteed to prevent 100% of Covid infections? I'll waitOf course you are fucking with me right now. At the beginning of the vaccine shit authorities were saying come get your vaccine so you WON'T get covid, not so your chances of not getting covid will be 10%, which seems to be the case with all these vaccinated people such as yourself getting covid.
"During an unscripted CNN town hall on July 21, Biden falsely stated that those who had been vaccinated would not get COVID, be hospitalized, or end up in an ICU and die. " Okay I see your disclaimer there. Slow Biden is definitely not smarter than pig shit.
When I was a kid many of my friends and relatives got vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, polio. I know this is hard to believe, but none of us ended up with measles, mumps, rubella, or polio. But according to you it was only supposed to "reduce the risk of serious illness or death. " Maybe they just don't make vaccines like they used to. Looks like these diseases were cheated out of their turn at my familiars, but covid has the attitude that it shall not be denied.
But my money is on they simply gave you salt water as covid protection to put your mind at ease. How do you intend to provide definitive proof that they did not or that you would have been seriously ill or even died had you not been given the saline?
Now if you will excuse me, I have a nice Brazilian beach to attend.
MarquisdeSade1
02-05-22, 16:17
Covid is going out not with a bang but a whimper:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/03/white-house-omicron-next-phase-pandemic-00005033
Biden and his top health officials have already begun hinting at an impending "new normal," in a conscious messaging shift meant to get people comfortable with a scenario where the virus remains widespread yet at more manageable levels.
"We are moving toward a time when Covid doesn't disrupt our daily lives," said one senior administration official, who requested anonymity to discuss the internal deliberations. "But in order to get people to view the pandemic differently, they have to feel differently about the pandemic. ".
Or as they say in South Park terms, "And it is gone. " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DT7bX-B1Mg.
As for vaccine shaming, I think in a month, we shall see that too being a case of "And it is gone."https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/us/politics/government-national-security-announcements.html
RamDavidson84
02-05-22, 16:36
I missed this little bit of insanity from you. I'm sorry it's taken me so long to help make you look like an idiot. By the way, I have no need to attack your mental health. All I'm doing is pointing it out. Shall we get to it?
First thing, you didn't ask a simple question. You made a statement and asked me to answer a question which you never asked.
Besides your obvious insanity, you seem to have problems with honesty. If you were genuinely interested in my opinion on anything, you would ask in a way which is not insulting. There's the difference. I've seen your opinions, they're garbage. I have no interest in them and I don't pretend to be interested in them. But enough of pointing out your insanity, dishonesty and bullshit. Let's get to the meat.
Using the latest data, 23% of the US population has tested positive for Covid. 0.27% of the US population has died from Covid.Dude, all jokes aside at this point. You clearly have a sex forum addiction. OMG bro, you have pages and pages of posts in just the last few days. It was funny at first, then weird, and now I am happy I don't deal with you in person. You would definitely creep me out as like a serial killer stalker type dude. Like, you are really this angry posting pages and pages about this shit in a forum, and now you admit you don't even take a stance on this shit. All the debating we have been doing and you haven't even posted an opinion on lockdowns since 2020? So you just post and argue for the sake of arguing to vent your frustration? Anger? Limp old man dick? IDK, but you are a creepy weird dude based off the endless posts you respond to that I have read. You would definitely scare me in person, like a Dexter type guy.
Trinimoses
02-05-22, 17:05
Of course you are fucking with me right now. At the beginning of the vaccine shit authorities were saying come get your vaccine so you WON'T get covid, not so your chances of not getting covid will be 10%, which seems to be the case with all these vaccinated people such as yourself getting covid.
"During an unscripted CNN town hall on July 21, Biden falsely stated that those who had been vaccinated would not get COVID, be hospitalized, or end up in an ICU and die. " Okay I see your disclaimer there. Slow Biden is definitely not smarter than pig shit.
When I was a kid many of my friends and relatives got vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, polio. I know this is hard to believe, but none of us ended up with measles, mumps, rubella, or polio. But according to you it was only supposed to "reduce the risk of serious illness or death. " Maybe they just don't make vaccines like they used to. Looks like these diseases were cheated out of their turn at my familiars, but covid has the attitude that it shall not be denied..Man 100% fact. I don't know how people at this stage will tell people that vaccines don't offer 100% protection from getting the disease its made for. Then why call it a vaccine if its not going to do that. But nah. Common sense is lacking in this world yes.
So you are going to just keep posting bullshit instead of taking an actual stance on mandates and lockdowns? I have stated plenty of times I think the vaccine is very useful and important. I am not looking up a study on it as I don't care that much and I don't have the time. Common sense would indicate that due to the number of post-vaccine infections and deaths that the vaccines were not 95%-90% effective. If you care so much, post a recent peer reviewed study to show me they are 95%-90% effective.
Bro, I am trying to help you out. You look weird when you go on these rants calling people crazy when they haven't done anything crazy and they just have a different opinion than you. Although, I guess for strange reasons, you will not state your opinion on mandates, lockdowns, or Chinese corruption? Or have you?, I don't know and I am not looking back to research it. Or you can hide in the shadows and don't take a stance. This playa don't give a fuck either way, I can assure you LOL.Heard this song today and immediately thought of you.
https://youtu.be/ifT9tGdiqWc.
Vaccine mandates? As far as the mandate for the military goes, I'm in favor of it. There are 2 reasons. The first is that everyone in the military gets a whole bunch of vaccines and they are not optional. The second reason is simple. We saw how quickly Covid spread on the USS Roosevelt. It can greatly impact operational readiness.
Government mandated vaccines for all except front line workers, I'm against. Private corporations have the right to require vaccination or not.
Lockdowns? I was in favor of lockdowns 20 months ago. There was no vaccine, we still had much to learn. I am not in favor of lockdowns now. The people smart enough have gotten the vaccine. If you haven't been vaccinated by now, you get no sympathy from me.
As for your insanity, I've already pointed several instances out.
While I don't remember exactly, the study, shows the vacc at 95% effectiveness against serious illness and death. If you don't have time to learn, then stop making silly comments which showcase your idiocy.
Man 100% fact. I don't know how people at this stage will tell people that vaccines don't offer 100% protection from getting the disease its made for. Then why call it a vaccine if its not going to do that. But nah. Common sense is lacking in this world yes.Name one vaccine that's 100% effective.
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