Stupid shit in Medellin [Archive] - Page 2

JjBee62

06-04-20, 16:14

So you interpret me saying that Medellin thread is like a novela as me whining about who is fucking who and what people do with their money?

Hey guys get a load of this crock of shit. He got all that from the very few words I posted that had nothing to do what this blabbermouth is talking about.

I won't waste my time on your worthlessness anymore but before I go I will say this again so you can hear me, "The Medellin thread is like a Novela". You got that?

Apparently you're starring in your own drama show right here on this thread. It's your show. Good day Sir!Did you forget how to read? I do offer tutoring sessions, but my rates are based on how clueless the student is. That moves me way out of your price range. Maybe someone can go back and read it for you.

My complaint was about your "Stop simping" picture. I thought I was quite clear on that, but that reading problem seems to have tripped you up. I'll explain it again, and hopefully whoever reads it to you will help with the difficult parts.

It's a novela every day in every thread where there's any activity. Every person, with every report, introduces a bit of fantasy. Even when they try to keep to the facts, they insert only their perspective and make assumptions about anyone else involved. "She's always very excited when I come to town" suggests the girl is looking forward to the sex rather than the money. "She came 6 times" doesn't admit the possibility that 1 or all were faked. Fantasy.

To waste time complaining that a thread is a novela makes as much sense as complaining that cheese is a dairy product.

However, "stop simping" is another story. That's a declaration someone else is fucking in the wrong way. It's a statement that you are the authority on fucking hookers that everyone needs to consult. It's rather pathetic, whiny bullshit.

But it's much more than that. It's fear. It's the fear that you're not enough of a man. It's a deep-rooted belief that women can see right through you and see the scared little boy inside. You accentuate this when you call for moral support. "Hey guys get a load of this crock of shit" is a sign of fear, weakness. I feel no need to call for backup, or to run and hide from the truth. I happily stand or fall on my own.

So you feel the need to flex. Which is fine. As I've said dozens of times, Your dick, your money, your business. How you deal with the women is all up to you. Afterwards you can write your own novelas. Remember to add 3 inches.

If the guys who are riding out the quarantine in Medellin are paying girls $500 a day to dress them up like a baby and change their diapers, that's their business. If it makes them happy, go for it, just don't post the pictures. If a guy is talking 250 k for 1 hour girls down to 140 k for 17 hours, that's his business. If a guy is paying the fat and 40 woman next door 100 k for a blowjob, while her 18 year old daughter is giving him a pedicure, that's his business. No matter what any of them are doing, it's completely their business.

Balboa

06-04-20, 20:13

Balboa

06-04-20, 20:16

It's ridiculous and some of you tune in everyday for the next episode.I'll admit it.

I had to look up what that meant, LOL.

JjBee62

06-05-20, 00:46

I'll admit it.

I had to look up what that meant, LOL.It's the battle cry of INCEL, Involuntarily Celibate, the whining twats who keep going on shooting sprees because they can't figure out how to get laid. They alternate between blaming their inability to find someone to have sex with on women who don't understand they're supposed to submit to any spineless twit who stares at them while rubbing his crotch, and on men who refuse to treat women like shit.

So they came up with "Stop simping. " They figure they only have 2 options to get laid. They can either crawl up a chicken's ass and wait, or get all men to be as pathetic as they are.

I'm just curious how they infiltrated the mongering world. If you've figured out how to pay for sex, you've figured out how to end the "involuntary celibacy. " It's become a simple business transaction.

Personally, I prefer something more than purely transactional encounters. It's amazing to watch a cynical puta melt into a giddy schoolgirl with just a few simple compliments. It's also amazing to hear the "hurry up and finish" grunts and fake moans change to "mi amor, mi amor."

MongerHunger

06-05-20, 06:03

Did you forget how to read? I do offer tutoring sessions, but my rates are based on how clueless the student is. That moves me way out of your price range. Maybe someone can go back and read it for you.

My complaint was about your "Stop simping" picture. I thought I was quite clear on that, but that reading problem seems to have tripped you up. I'll explain it again, and hopefully whoever reads it to you will help with the difficult parts.

It's a novela every day in every thread where there's any activity. Every person, with every report, introduces a bit of fantasy. Even when they try to keep to the facts, they insert only their perspective and make assumptions about anyone else involved. "She's always very excited when I come to town" suggests the girl is looking forward to the sex rather than the money. "She came 6 times" doesn't admit the possibility that 1 or all were faked. Fantasy.

To waste time complaining that a thread is a novela makes as much sense as complaining that cheese is a dairy product.

However, "stop simping" is another story. That's a declaration someone else is fucking in the wrong way. It's a statement that you are the authority on fucking hookers that everyone needs to consult. It's rather pathetic, whiny bullshit.You took this whole thing out of context. All I did is write less than a paragraph and you basically attacked me. My definition of Simping is not yours and frankly I don't know where you even come up with this stuff so your whole argument is invalid and worthless. That is the reason we are having this stupid conversation. You went on the attack over a simple paragraph and picture that you misinterpreted and continued even after I explained that is not what I meant. So you see, you were the problem in this issue, not me. This is a waste of time over some BS man. So please leave me alone and move on to something else.

Mr Enternational

06-05-20, 07:01

Sure beats posts about ATM fees, etc..I think you are on to something with that one!

I'll admit it. I had to look up what that meant, LOL.Now you see what I meant. If not, I meant you are paying your money; do not let the chick that you are paying it to control the shots. (Unless you are paying your money to have her control the shots.) It is your way or the highway. You don't walk into McDonalds and slap your money on the counter for a number 3, and walk out happy when they put a number 5 in the bag or when they tell you to come behind the counter and make it yourself. No need to cater to women (be a simp) when you are already paying them. You are supposed to be the one being catered to.

JjBee62

06-05-20, 19:37

I think you are on to something with that one!

Now you see what I meant. If not, I meant you are paying your money; do not let the chick that you are paying it to control the shots. (Unless you are paying your money to have her control the shots.) It is your way or the highway. You don't walk into McDonalds and slap your money on the counter for a number 3, and walk out happy when they put a number 5 in the bag or when they tell you to come behind the counter and make it yourself. No need to cater to women (be a simp) when you are already paying them. You are supposed to be the one being catered to.You're mixing 2 separate issues Mr. E.

The one you're talking about is obvious. What you are paying for is what you should be getting. If I've called up a 5'3" 90# blond and a 160# linebacker shows up, she's not getting in the door, or getting paid. If I tell her 3 hours and she wants to go after 45 minutes, it's not happening. All good and normal stuff.

But Simping, as Balboa has shown is completely different. If you tell a woman she's beautiful, that's considered being a simp. If you ask her how she feels, or what she likes, you're being a simp. If you treat her like anything other than, as we used to say, "a life support system for a pussy", you're being a simp. According to the people who routinely use "stop the simping", if you're not treating women like shit you're a simp.

I will always disagree with that belief. I will always speak out against that belief. If that's how someone wants to go through life, that's their business and their problem. If someone wants to tell anyone else they need to adopt that behavior, they can fuck off and die.

Paulie97

06-06-20, 04:26

It's also amazing to hear the "hurry up and finish" grunts and fake moans change to "mi amor, mi amor."The latter quotation is typically plan A, and if it fails, the former is plan b. But don't let me fuck with your "fantasies," just isn't kind in a monger forum.

Mr Enternational

06-06-20, 04:29

But Simping, as Balboa has shown is completely different. If you tell a woman she's beautiful, that's considered being a simp. If you ask her how she feels, or what she likes, you're being a simp. If you treat her like anything other than, as we used to say, "a life support system for a pussy", you're being a simp. According to the people who routinely use "stop the simping", if you're not treating women like shit you're a simp.Seems like you are confusing it. You can ask them anything. That does not mean you are simping. And nobody is saying to treat anyone like shit. The simping comes in when you are catering to them.

As you were saying in Blakman's 3 some example do this and that so SHE does not feel such and such and so she feels this instead. Make sure SHE is happy. That is simping. Now if it was a regular woman then I am in agreement; you would probably do all of that. You want it to be mutually beneficial. But when you are paying your money, you should be the star of the show. You are not paying her so that you can treat her like Queen Elizabeth. You are paying so that you will be served. When I go into a restaurant to be served and I want steak then I am going to get steak. I am not going to put any consideration on whether the waiter likes to eat chicken or fish over steak.

Several times hookers have come over and said I don't like to do this or that. I tell them they are in the wrong business then; you should have told me that before you came and you never would have been invited. I am the customer. I am paying you. You are not paying me.

Now if I say well okay, how would you like to fuck after she has shitted all over how I wanted to do it, then that is simping. But if I am tired of fucking the way that I like to and now want to take suggestions from her on how we can fuck, that would not be simping.

P. S. When I was in college we were running a train on this Spelman freak chick. There were like 15 guys in line. This chick was engaged to some guy in the Army but she just could not get enough dick. So it comes one of my roommates' turn and he goes in and does some simp shit telling her how she should not be doing this and she should think better of herself. What the fuck dude? Free pussy comes to a screeching halt. But now he turns it into some pimp shit for himself, because from then on she would not fuck any other guy unless he gave her the okay. So now when she comes over to see him, we have to kiss his ass if we want to have any hope of fucking her that day. That bastard is a colonel in the US Air Force now and we all still talk about that simp shit whenever we get together. Don't know whatever happened to her.

JjBee62

06-06-20, 13:56

Seems like you are confusing it. You can ask them anything. That does not mean you are simping. And nobody is saying to treat anyone like shit. The simping comes in when you are catering to them.

As you were saying in Blakman's 3 some example do this and that so SHE does not feel such and such and so she feels this instead. Make sure SHE is happy. That is simping. Now if it was a regular woman then I am in agreement; you would probably do all of that. You want it to be mutually beneficial. But when you are paying your money, you should be the star of the show. You are not paying her so that you can treat her like Queen Elizabeth. You are paying so that you will be served. When I go into a restaurant to be served and I want steak then I am going to get steak. I am not going to put any consideration on whether the waiter likes to eat chicken or fish over steak.

Several times hookers have come over and said I don't like to do this or that. I tell them they are in the wrong business then; you should have told me that before you came and you never would have been invited. I am the customer. I am paying you. You are not paying me.

Now if I say well okay, how would you like to fuck after she has shitted all over how I wanted to do it, then that is simping. But if I am tired of fucking the way that I like to and now want to take suggestions from her on how we can fuck, that would not be simping..Actually there have been a few here, in the not too distant past, who have said that everyone needs to treat the women like shit and specifically used the "Stop Simping" tag. How you used that tag, which you probably didn't use 30 years ago, is not how it is used today.

Your example, if the guy didn't want to pull train, he shouldn't have been in line. But, to his credit, he turned a profit on the deal. He got the girl doing what he wanted and had you and a bunch of other guys licking his hand to get his handouts. So who was really the simp?

Here's a concept you should understand. If you are in any type of relationship, and I'll elaborate on that, it's in your best interest to keep the relationship on good terms, until it's time to end it.

Any type of relationship. If there's a restaurant you regularly go to, do you insult the hostess and complain to the waitress over nothing? Or do you smile, greet them and enjoy your meals? I've got a favorite little diner. When I walk in, the host shakes my hand, the manager and my favorite waitress both come over and give me a hug. I never have reason to complain about the food, because the waitress won't bring it to my table unless it's right.

Am I a simp because I smile and chat with those people? I'm paying them for food, not conversation. Should I just shut up unless I've got something to complain about? Maybe that makes a better meal for you, but I prefer having a hot Mexican MILF, or her hotter 20 year old daughter, chatting and joking with me, than have someone frowning at me every time I come in.

Now back to Blakman and his 8. He had agreed to keep her there for an extended stay, at a very low price. He got her to tentatively agree to watch him fuck other girls. Even though he was paying her, he was in a relationship with her. He had agreed to have her there for 7 days. It doesn't matter if he was paying her 300 k or $3,000. What mattered, it was for 7 days. Are you still following along?

There are several different options in his situation. He could just go with the drill sergeant routine. When he says jump, she better jump. From his earlier reports, that clearly wasn't going to work, which would have left him either booting her, or leaving her in control.

Another choice would be to forgo any other girls, but that's not what he wanted. That once again puts her on control.

To get what he wanted, which he didn't get, required addressing her desires along with his own. He could have tried your suggestion and it would have failed. Not only would it have failed, it would have left him with the decision to either deal with a pissed off chica, or to boot a pissed off chica. It also would have probably screwed up his session with the other girl.

So, in your mind it's better for him to pay two girls, and not get what he wants from either of them (or not pay them because he's not getting what he wants) than it is to treat one girl nice and get what he wants from both girls?

Call me a simp. Given the choice between arguing with 2 girls and fucking 2 girls, hand me the condoms.

You're tried to tell him what to do without using the information he gave, information which made your suggestion unworkable.

1. His Spanish is weak. Trying to Google translate "get over here and rub my back" while fucking isn't going to work out, especially if the girl you want to rub your back is already in a bad mood.

2. The girl gave him pushback at every turn. She wasn't a meek little "si papi" kind of girl. Giving orders to a pissed off chica, who already doesn't take orders isn't the way to get what you want.

As I've said before, I don't care for transactional sex. I don't want to have a notarized list of the things agreed upon. I don't want to spend half my time arguing whether or not what she did meets the requirements of what I asked for. I don't want to constantly put myself in situations where I have to argue to get what I want.

I want honeymoon sex. I want a girl who can't get enough of me. I want a girl who spontaneously does what I want. I want to be able to go from mish to cowgirl to standing without a discussion over whether or not she likes each position. I want a BBBJ without a discussion.

All of the things I want, I usually get. I don't have to pay extra, I don't have to remind the girl of any agreement and I don't have to tell the girl she picked the wrong profession. All I have to do is smile, drop a few compliments and make sure she's getting as much out of the sex as I am.

Your way works for you, or more accurately, your ways work for you, which ranges between pure alpha male and 50% simp, based on your reports. Everyone else's ways work for them. My way works for me. The way that you decide anyone else should use on any particular day isn't likely to work. You don't know them, you don't know the girl, so how do you know how they should handle each situation? Even when they provide you with the information, you don't use it, yet somehow your way is the right way?

Why is the concept of letting everyone do their own thing so hard for you to grasp?

Mr Enternational

06-06-20, 18:21

Here's a concept you should understand. If you are in any type of relationship, and I'll elaborate on that, it's in your best interest to keep the relationship on good terms, until it's time to end it.

Any type of relationship. If there's a restaurant you regularly go to, do you insult the hostess and complain to the waitress over nothing? Or do you smile, greet them and enjoy your meals? I've got a favorite little diner. When I walk in, the host shakes my hand, the manager and my favorite waitress both come over and give me a hug. I never have reason to complain about the food, because the waitress won't bring it to my table unless it's right.Once again, I never said anything about treating anyone shitty or insulting anyone. So I do not understand why you keep bringing up treating people bad. And I keep relationships on good terms even after they have ended, not just until it is time to end as you have advised. I have an ex-wife, but you do not see me talking bad about her the way many on ISG do. I had a great wife and it was my decision to break up ON GOOD TERMS. I never have broken up with anyone on bad terms.

And any hooker that I have fucked anywhere or ex-girlfriend I can run into them in the middle of the street while I am with another chick and properly greet them and introduce the two people, while most are busy trying to duck and dodge. As a matter of fact, today I took my Russian chick to the beauty supply store. I stayed outside looking at shows on my tablet while she was in getting what she had to get. A Thai chick that I used to mess with that works at a salon rolled up. She asked me what I was doing there and I told her. We talked for a few minutes and when my Russian chick came out I introduced them. So I do not know why you are stating there is some concept that I should understand.

I never said anything about making bad terms in a person's relationship. Almost everyday when I am out riding my bicycle I see an ex-girlfriend out walking exercising with her friends. I always have a quick talk with her. And if she sees me, but I do not see her, then she sends me a message saying that she saw me and I ask well why didn't you say anything to me. There is no bad blood here with anyone sir. I am a great fucking guy and women know this!

Why is the concept of letting everyone do their own thing so hard for you to grasp?What?! How the fuck can I make someone do something? You said what you thought he should do the same way I said what I thought he should do. So how is it that you have the concept of letting everyone do their own thing but you are saying I do not? Either we both do or we both don't seeing as we did the same thing which was give advice. We did the same thing, but we did not do the same thing. You are blowing my mind with that Mister Spacely Jedi shit.

JjBee62

06-07-20, 05:52

Once again, I never said anything about treating anyone shitty or insulting anyone. So I do not understand why you keep bringing up treating people bad. And I keep relationships on good terms even after they have ended, not just until it is time to end as you have advised. I have an ex-wife, but you do not see me talking bad about her the way many on ISG do. I had a great wife and it was my decision to break up ON GOOD TERMS. I never have broken up with anyone on bad terms.

And any hooker that I have fucked anywhere or ex-girlfriend I can run into them in the middle of the street while I am with another chick and properly greet them and introduce the two people, while most are busy trying to duck and dodge. As a matter of fact, today I took my Russian chick to the beauty supply store. I stayed outside looking at shows on my tablet while she was in getting what she had to get. A Thai chick that I used to mess with that works at a salon rolled up. She asked me what I was doing there and I told her. We talked for a few minutes and when my Russian chick came out I introduced them. So I do not know why you are stating there is some concept that I should understand.

I never said anything about making bad terms in a person's relationship. Almost everyday when I am out riding my bicycle I see an ex-girlfriend out walking exercising with her friends. I always have a quick talk with her. And if she sees me, but I do not see her, then she sends me a message saying that she saw me and I ask well why didn't you say anything to me. There is no bad blood here with anyone sir. I am a great fucking guy and women know this!.The entire issue revolves around (and I think this is the fourth time I've stated this) "Simp. " Can you focus on that for a second?

Current popular usage of "Simp" as (I repeat again) Balboa showed, is that if you treat women nicely you are being a "Simp. " Just 3 or 4 months ago we had a guy here, in the Medellin thread, using that line and every reference to women was "bitches" or worse. Every post was complaining about guys not treating women like shit.

If you Google INCEL, "Involuntarily Celibate" you will find loads of this garbage. The reason they can't get laid is because guys like you and I and most of the guys on here, treat women nicely. At least that's their reasoning. We're all "simps" and ruining their non-existent sex life because we've convinced women they don't have to put up with being treated like shit.

That's "Simping. " Simping isn't letting a hooker change the game plan on you. It isn't what your roommate did in college. It's what you originally called "pure simp talk" when I explained how Blakman could get the result he wanted. And your usage at that point was the INCEL usage. I suggested making the girl happy, and making sure she felt special. Your response may as well have been written by INCEL:

Fuck that noise. Pure simp talk. You are the king. Make that broad give you a back massage while you are fucking the other chick. And when she gets tired she can feed y'all grapes in between.Make up your mind. I'm sure you're a great guy and I'm sure you treat women right. However, every now and then you post something that doesn't appear to be treating women right. That was one of those moments.

Fuck that noise. Pure simp talk. You are the king. Make that broad give you a back massage while you are fucking the other chick. And when she gets tired she can feed y'all grapes in between.You tell me. If one of your girlfriends agrees to let you bring another girl over, agrees to sit there in the room and watch you fuck this other girl, tells you she is not going to participate at all, are you going to "make that broad give you a back massage while you are fucking the other chick?" Because if you're the guy that treats women right, then you're not doing that. And if you're doing that you're not only not treating women right, you're starting a breakup at a really bad time, in a really bad way.

Mr Enternational

06-09-20, 06:58

The entire issue revolves around (and I think this is the fourth time I've stated this) "Simp. " Can you focus on that for a second?

Current popular usage of "Simp" as (I repeat again) Balboa showed, is that if you treat women nicely you are being a "Simp. " Wrong again. You should go back and read the definition that Balboa posted. Why do you keep making up things that nobody said so you can argue against it? Once again, simping does not mean treating someone nice. It means overly catering and kowtowing.

You tell me. If one of your girlfriends agrees to let you bring another girl over, agrees to sit there in the room and watch you fuck this other girl, tells you she is not going to participate at all, are you going to "make that broad give you a back massage while you are fucking the other chick?"Maybe that is where the problem lies. You are mistaking the HOOKER that Blakman had to be his girlfriend. She was a person that he was paying so that he could get sexual gratification. He was paying so that he could be served (which is why I brought up restaurants. When your order is up you do not run over to the place where the cook sat the food and tell the waitress let me help you with that as you are purporting one should do.)

He was not paying so that she would allow him to please her and make her feel like a queen. In your advice you were telling him to be sure to serve the person that he was paying to serve him. You have to pay the broad AND serve her too? THAT is what would be called simping. You are telling him to be the hooker and the trick at the same time. Why shouldn't she be paying him if he is serving her just as much or more than she was serving him?

Mr Enternational

06-09-20, 07:42

It's the battle cry of INCEL, Involuntarily Celibate, the whining twats who keep going on shooting sprees because they can't figure out how to get laid. They alternate between blaming their inability to find someone to have sex with on women who don't understand they're supposed to submit to any spineless twit who stares at them while rubbing his crotch, and on men who refuse to treat women like shit.

So they came up with "Stop simping. " They figure they only have 2 options to get laid. They can either crawl up a chicken's ass and wait, or get all men to be as pathetic as they are.

I'm just curious how they infiltrated the mongering world.Man what the heck are you talking about? The word simp has nothing to do with this young group of square ass White guys that can not get laid. It is ghetto slang. If we had a friend that we saw who was kissing up to chicks in hopes of getting in good with them, we would tell him to stop being a simp. This was 40 years ago, but I am sure the term dates back probably 100 years in the Black community. There is a saying that goes, "Nice guys finish last. " I didn't make the shit up, but there must be a reason that it exists.

"In some online communities, "simp" exists in the same solar system online as words like "cuck," "soyboy" or "beta" with some distinctions. While "cuck" is a pejorative used to emasculate, a "simp" is used to call out behavior associated with "white knights" or "nice guys". In these cases, men who simp believe that they are owed sex for their good behavior. " https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/meme-review/what-is-a-simp-and-why-is-it-trending.

Personally, I prefer something more than purely transactional encounters. It's amazing to watch a cynical puta melt into a giddy schoolgirl with just a few simple compliments. It's also amazing to hear the "hurry up and finish" grunts and fake moans change to "mi amor, mi amor."It is still transactional, because if you showed up without money she would not be telling you shit. You can show up with money and say I want you to tell me mi amor mi amor. You show up with sweet words and no money what will the mi amor mi amor change to? But if it helps you to fool yourself that your compliments are what is doing the trick I guess it is all Kool & the Gang.

Same thing with gifts mongers go out of their way to bring hookers. One board member posted that he was in Rio and went to a hooker's apartment. In the corner she had all kind of gifts piled up and told him what do these mfs think I am supposed to do with this stuff. But I guess they thought it was getting them extra points and something more than a purely transactional encounter.

Knowledge

06-09-20, 17:16

Real talk, the gifts are for the gift givers. Some of whom are trying to build toward the unicorn jumping a rainbow fantasy of a girlfriend experience with someone who is no one's girlfriend because she is everyone and anyone's girlfriend. Last week I gave a girl a gift of blackout curtains because it was too hot to fuck in her Robledo bedroom and I was tired of sweating like a pig. Those curtains were really for me. She seemed surprised how much cooler the room is. She was not surprised when I made no effort to pay her that day. Does that make her my girlfriend? LOL!

Man what the heck are you talking about? The word simp has nothing to do with this young group of square ass White guys that can not get laid. It is ghetto slang. If we had a friend that we saw who was kissing up to chicks in hopes of getting in good with them, we would tell him to stop being a simp. This was 40 years ago, but I am sure the term dates back probably 100 years in the Black community. There is a saying that goes, "Nice guys finish last. " I didn't make the shit up, but there must be a reason that it exists.

"In some online communities, "simp" exists in the same solar system online as words like "cuck," "soyboy" or "beta" with some distinctions. While "cuck" is a pejorative used to emasculate, a "simp" is used to call out behavior associated with "white knights" or "nice guys". In these cases, men who simp believe that they are owed sex for their good behavior. " https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/meme-review/what-is-a-simp-and-why-is-it-trending.

It is still transactional, because if you showed up without money she would not be telling you shit. You can show up with money and say I want you to tell me mi amor mi amor. You show up with sweet words and no money what will the mi amor mi amor change to? But if it helps you to fool yourself that your compliments are what is doing the trick I guess it is all Kool & the Gang..

JjBee62

06-09-20, 18:27

Wrong again. You should go back and read the definition that Balboa posted. Why do you keep making up things that nobody said so you can argue against it? Once again, simping does not mean treating someone nice. It means overly catering and kowtowing.

Maybe that is where the problem lies. You are mistaking the HOOKER that Blakman had to be his girlfriend. She was a person that he was paying so that he could get sexual gratification. He was paying so that he could be served (which is why I brought up restaurants. When your order is up you do not run over to the place where the cook sat the food and tell the waitress let me help you with that as you are purporting one should do.)

He was not paying so that she would allow him to please her and make her feel like a queen. In your advice you were telling him to be sure to serve the person that he was paying to serve him. You have to pay the broad AND serve her too? THAT is what would be called simping. You are telling him to be the hooker and the trick at the same time. Why shouldn't she be paying him if he is serving her just as much or more than she was serving him?I'll just put it in one post.

Starting with Blakman.

He agreed to a 7 day term with the girl. She and he established a basic list of things she would and wouldn't do. Can that concept penetrate the fog in your brain? She wasn't going to be there for an hour, for 2 pops, or even for a day. 7 days. A week.

You're renting an apartment for 7 days. The owner gives you a list of the apartment rules. You don't own the apartment for those 7 days. You can't change the rules without getting approval from the apartment owner. If you decide to change the rules on your own, you can expect, if the owner knows about it, to have your stay cut short and you will still have to pay for the 7 days. You may end up paying extra. If it's an apartment you enjoy renting, you'll probably fuck that up too.

Blakman entered into an agreement. The term of the agreement was 7 days. Are you still following, or are you thinking about a guy who went to Madagascar and told you a hooker there wouldn't eat cheese?

If Blakman tried to force a change of his agreement, why would you think the woman would just jump right in and agree? Would you? If you're waiting in line, pulling train on some woman and the guy between her legs tells you to rub his back if you want your turn, are you suddenly his masseuse? I'm sure he'll appreciate it.

Second concept that you have become oblivious to: lowering your DHF. DickHead Factor. You say how great a guy you are and how wonderful you treat women and then insist it's better to be a dickhead with them. Pick a fucking team.

Let's go to the restaurant. A hostess greets you with. "Welcome to (whatever the restaurant is called). How are you today?" Now you could respond with "I'm not paying to answer questions. Get me a table. " That seems to be your current recommendation. Or you could say "I'm doing great. How are you doing?" You might even smile or compliment her. When the waitress shows up and offers a few pleasantries, you could stick with the high DHF responses. Maybe a "don't fuck up my order. " or something equally in line with your line of thinking. Or you could smile, return the salutation and make her feel a bit better about herself.

You don't need to go carry the food, or setup the table. You don't have to wash the dishes. Being nice isn't going to change the bill. Your hamburger isn't going to upgrade to a filet. Assuming being an asshole at the beginning didn't get you kicked out, there's only a small difference in your food, but there's a huge difference in the overall experience.

The small difference in your food? The absence of pubic hair, fecal matter, mucus or other undesired condiments. The huge difference in the experience? The waitress is happy to come to your table. She gives you better service. She's more attentive to any problems and she, along with the hostess, looks forward to every visit.

Call me what you want. I'm not the guy who licked his roommate's balls in order to stand in line, with 15 guys, for a chance to stick his dick into an overused semen collection facility. That's got to be like fucking a milkshake machine.

Given a choice between a girl who is trying to get me to cum as quick as possible, so she can get the fuck away from me, and a girl who won't stop fucking me, at the same price, I'm going with the second one.

If I can change the first one into the second one, without paying more, by dropping a few compliments, I'm happy to toss out a few palabras dulces. Sure, I could instead spend my time figuring how much more I need to pay for BBBJ. I could invest my time into making sure she does everything on my checklist. Or I can invest 30-45 seconds into making her smile and she'll do everything I want without discussion, without an upcharge and without trying to cut it short.

Sticking solely with Colombian women, they like compliments. It makes them feel better about themselves. It changes their attitude. It improves their performance. They aren't getting compliments from their Colombian customers. They aren't getting compliments from their boyfriends. Their mothers complain when they're out selling pussy and complain when they aren't selling pussy. There aren't many people making them feel good about their life.

Along comes one of us simps. We're still paying. Some are paying more, some are bringing gifts. But all we're really doing, because we realize it costs nothing to smile and say a few nice words, is treating them the same way we expect them to treat us.

Yep. There's a hooker in Brazil who doesn't want gifts. There's probably a hooker in Thailand who doesn't want guys to be nice to her. You probably met a girl in Santiago who gets pissed off if a guy compliments her.

There's also a girl in Medellin, practically every week, posting pics on Facebook showing off the gifts someone sent, or brought and 30 of her friends congratulating her. There's a girl calling out her favorite monger because she had a better time with him. And there's a new girl, almost every day hitting me up because some other hooker showed her my, absolutely free to me, sweet WhatsApp message.

There's a girl who sends me videos every day, also free to me, because I tell her how beautiful she is. There's a girl who, because I mentioned I'd like to see another girl eating her out, went out, found a girl, and yesterday morning surprised me with a video of the encounter, again at no cost. All because I make her feel good about herself. She even went to great lengths apologizing and explaining why the video wasn't longer and finished by thanking me for suggesting it.

There's even a girl, from a nice home, with a comfortable living situation, an engineering student, and about the closest thing to a 19 year old virgin as you'll find in Medellin, who is literally begging me to do whatever I want with her. And all it took was telling her she's beautiful.

If I'm paying for sex, I'm paying for sex, exactly the same as paying for a meal in a restaurant. If I can make the experience better by not being a dickhead, I've decided I enjoy great experiences more than I enjoy being a dickhead. The best part about it, for me, because I like to repeat good experiences, is each return visit it gets better. Even though I'm still paying the same, the restaurant treats me like family. The meal is an event worth remembering, rather than something to forget about 15 minutes later.

I'll close with an explanation of transactional sex, just to give you another opportunity to work that false equivalence.

Going to McDonald's and going to a Michelin 3 star restaurant are both transactional eating. You're paying someone to cook for you. They bring you food. You eat it. You leave. At some point later you shit the unused portion out. If the price was the same, which would you prefer?

Read the reviews. "We agreed on 200 k + taxi for doggy, mish and CG, 2 pops, 3 hours, BBBJ and COB. She agreed to let me take photos and video for an extra 50 k."

Or.

"I told her I always pay 200 k and usually the girls stay for 2 or 3 hours."

In the first, every item on the list is a potential issue. She wants another 30 k for BBBJ. You're too big and CG hurts her. She doesn't want you to photo her face. She has to leave early. She didn't agree to 2 pops. How often do guys complain about those things?

In the second instance, the only problem, which I've rarely experienced, is she wants to leave after 1. 5 - 2 hours. Occasionally I get CBJ. Big deal. Unless you're using the cheapest condoms 99% of the difference is in your mind. Usually I don't want the 2nd pop. I have never had a position refused, because I change positions without stopping, pulling out and redirecting. I don't need photos and video, but if I want them, there's no upcharge. On several occasions the girl has grabbed my phone and asked for pictures. I don't need a stopwatch to make sure she blows me long enough. I don't need to count strokes. I don't need to listen to make sure she says "te amo. " There's no checklist I need to refer to. There's only these things:

1. Did she show up?

2. Did we fuck?

3. Did I enjoy it?

There's no "was it like every time with every girl?

That's the difference between the transactional sex you're promoting and the paid sex transactions I prefer.

Paulie97

06-10-20, 06:41

That's the difference between the transactional sex you're promoting and the paid sex transactions I prefer.This is the fallacy you've wasted an hour of your life engaging in.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Distinction-Without-a-Difference

It's all "transactional sex. " You invite them over for two hours, set a price, and given that she's an obvious FB hooker and you are an obvious FB John, the assumption is that she's going to fuck you. You then take whatever she wants to give you beyond an all covered quickie. Sometimes you get more, sometimes you don't, and likely are exaggerating your successes or completely pulling stuff out of your ass to sweeten your argument. That's so easy to do when it comes to presenting personal experiences on the internet. I personally like to to negotiate a few more terms because I can get a casa girl for 75% less than a FB girl if all I'm up for is an all covered quickie. But to each his own, as it's that old "do your own thing" concept you love so much until you want to get involved in one of these protracted circle jerks.

JjBee62

06-10-20, 17:57

This is the fallacy you've wasted an hour of your life engaging in.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Distinction-Without-a-Difference

It's all "transactional sex. " You invite them over for two hours, set a price, and given that she's an obvious FB hooker and you are an obvious FB John, the assumption is that she's going to fuck you. You then take whatever she wants to give you beyond an all covered quickie. Sometimes you get more, sometimes you don't, and likely are exaggerating your successes or completely pulling stuff out of your ass to sweeten your argument. That's so easy to do when it comes to presenting personal experiences on the internet. I personally like to to negotiate a few more terms because I can get a casa girl for 75% less than a FB girl if all I'm up for is an all covered quickie. But to each his own, as it's that old "do your own thing" concept you love so much until you want to get involved in one of these protracted circle jerks.You forget I've sat and listened to your endless complaints. Casa girls with odor issues, casa girls that wouldn't do what you want and the Veneca who led you around by the dick for a week.

Then there was the time you let them drug and rob you.

However, my favorite will always be your complete mental breakdown because some Venezuelan street rats didn't tell you thanks for the pizza you bought. All because you thought a piece of pizza would finally get the girl, who was leading you around like her pet Chihuahua, to finally put out for you. How did that turn out again?

You are free to do things in your own way. Then find someone new to complain to when it doesn't work out again. And we know how that story always ends.

Every human interaction is transactional. We give, we take, accept or decline. We weigh cost versus rewards and apply ourselves accordingly. However there's a difference between a craftsman building a piece of furniture and someone putting a similar piece together on an assembly line. There's a difference between writing a complete sentence and writing an engaging story. There's a difference between a home cooked meal and grabbing a burger at Presto. Often the better choice costs the same or less, it only requires a bit of effort and skill.

I do enjoy your attempts. Although not as cute, it reminds me of a 4 year old insisting he can tie his own shoes, after putting them on the wrong feet.

JjBee62

06-10-20, 18:43

This is the fallacy you've wasted an hour of your life engaging in.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Distinction-Without-a-Difference

It's all "transactional sex. " You invite them over for two hours, set a price, and given that she's an obvious FB hooker and you are an obvious FB John, the assumption is that she's going to fuck you. You then take whatever she wants to give you beyond an all covered quickie. Sometimes you get more, sometimes you don't, and likely are exaggerating your successes or completely pulling stuff out of your ass to sweeten your argument. That's so easy to do when it comes to presenting personal experiences on the internet. I personally like to to negotiate a few more terms because I can get a casa girl for 75% less than a FB girl if all I'm up for is an all covered quickie. But to each his own, as it's that old "do your own thing" concept you love so much until you want to get involved in one of these protracted circle jerks.What you fail to grasp. One of the multitude of things you fail to grasp, my experiences are irrelevant to what I have posted. If the probability of a coin flip coming up heads is 50%, flipping tails 5 times straight doesn't change anything.

However, it's worth noting that more than one person has agreed with the value of using compliments and treating the girls better. Be consistent. Tell each of them they are also likely pulling stuff out of their ass.

After skill and reading all your bitching and complaining about Mr. Enternational, I'm honored to have replaced him at the top of your "Guys who make my vagina cramp" list.

A long time ago a friend told me "If you want to know how well you're satisfying a woman, talk to her friends. " If her friends like you, you're doing things right. If her friends can't stand you, you're just there to help pay the bills.

In the past 3 weeks, 4 of the cheerleader's friends and her sister have messaged me. Three of the friends have suggested I should see them when I'm in Medellin. One has been very specific. Her sister and best friend keep telling me how much she talks about me. Just 2 hours ago she said was rather explicit in telling me how she feels when she talks with me.

Of course I could just be making all this up. It could be gross exaggeration. Certainly it can't be because of my looks. It can't be because of my money, because she's never said anything about money, and because, judging by her mother's house, she doesn't need any. We're left with:

1. I have an incredible penis which she can't wait to ride.

Or.

2. Tossing around compliments and treating women special are effective ways to arouse interest.

Granted, it's all just supposition. The time I spend talking to her and the others may result in nothing. We won't know the answer for a few months. I may ultimately waste hundreds of hours of my time for nothing more than several hours of videos, hundreds of photos, dozens of video calls and an improved language skill.

I'll take the chance.

PolloNegro

06-27-20, 21:54

Again, you've got the "I'm too lazy to confirm it, so I'm not going to believe it" syndrome. It's quite simple. For example you can go to.

https://m.myfreecams.com/more/missmfc

That's the list of the too earners for the month, along with the bonus they'll receive. Find one of them online. Sit and watch. See how many tokens she receives. 20 tokens is $1 to the model and costs the guys $1. 60 to buy. Do the math. Read through the model's bio. Many include screenshots of their biggest tips, or will list them along with who gave them the tip. All the proof you need is right at your fingertips.

The irony here is you write things that are very difficult to believe and impossible to verify, often things which contradict earlier things you have posted, and then get offended if anyone questions your word. Yet you refuse to believe things which could be verified by any 6th grader in less than 5 minutes.

In case you're wondering, that's called cognitive dissonance.Maybe you are a part of the guys who spend $800 usd on line to girls on my cam and chaterbate, I have not seen it, have not witnessed it, and still do not believe it. Many people have seen bigfoot, and me and in my 40 yrs of living have not seen bigfoot, I also do not believe there is a bigfoot, no shade no debate, just my honest opinion. No one is Medellin currently is spending $800 usd on girls for a date, I have not seen it and do not believe it! Pollo Negro is Out!

JjBee62

06-28-20, 09:32

I have been wrong before and will probably be wrong again. Until I can witness these payment, I will continue to call it BS. Do you know how many fellow mongers I have met in Medellin who showed me photos of girls and the monger and myself finally met in person, they couldn't produce the girl in the pics? I hear all kinds of stories from the east to the west. I can not tell you or other mongers what "you" all may know, but I can most definitely tell you what I don't believe and just don't buy.Everyone knows you've been wrong before. I'm beginning to think that's your career path. I already explained to you how you can witness payments like that. You're calling BS on something you can easily verify, yet you refuse to try to verify but.

Nobody knows how many fellow mongers you've met, because knowing you, you're going to make up a number, multiply it by your age or your IQ, same result, then claim you met that many mongers and fucked all their sisters, while their mothers rubbed your balls. Make it easy, just list their ISG handles. Name just one. One monger who showed you pictures of a webcam model, told you he could set you up with the model and then failed to produce.

That's completely irrelevant. I never claimed I could set you up with a webcam model, I never produced a picture. I stated I know a model who receives a weekly large tip from someone she's never met. Fuck. If I wrote that I know a good place to get a cheap lunch with excellent food, you'd be claiming you've met 100 mongers who said they knew where to get the best steak in Medellin, but they all took you to McDonald's, therefore you don't believe me.

I don't believe girls here in Medellin during the quarantine are earning $800 a day. I could be wrong, I do not believe it though. When I meet the person who can show me in person these girls who can verify that they earn $800 a day, then I will beg your pardon. There is not one chic that I have banged in Medellin that I can not put my hand on or call to come over. Now if you are a certified $800 usd paying member of the buy a twat club, then raise your hand, otherwise I am calling it BS.Nobody said girls in Medellin are earning $800 per day. Once again, I stated that my former roommate, a webcam model, receives a weekly tip from a guy and that tip costs him $800. She doesn't even live in Colombia anymore. She is now living in a first world country.

Nobody stated the transaction involved "buy a twat. " I specifically stated the guy has never met the girl. She's a webcam model. She doesn't go to cheap El Centro apartments to fuck clueless clowns for money.

Its just that simple, don't point me to a website, point me to a whatsapp number and the ability to converse with these high priced internet sensations. Otherwise save it, otherwise all you guys are doing are misleading the readers and setting them up for failure, which I have witnessed in the pass. Just be yourself and don't boost up these girls or these websites that cannot deliver what you are selling. Its just that simple, a name, a number and rate, how hard is that? Pollo Negro is out!It's like your brain shuts off when you see a post by me.

This all started because I listed several of the crazy things I have witnessed over the years. One of the things I witnessed was a guy, who happens to be a hedge fund manager, who gives a weekly tip, which costs him over $800, to a webcam model. I know this because I shared an apartment (Edificio Poblado Verde, Torre 1 ask the porteros if a tall gringo named Jeff used to live there) with the webcam model he gives the tip to.

Simply because I wrote it, you decided that it's not believable. No other fucking reason. I don't know why, but you long ago decided that I am the enemy and you must defeat me. Unfortunately, the only battle we can have is a battle of the wits, and you have no ammunition.

You can't even keep track of what it is you don't believe. It started as $800 per week to a webcam model as a tip. I even stated that the man has never met the model. But in your tiny little brain that got changed to paying to fuck her in Medellin. Now it's changed again to paying to fuck her every day in Medellin. What's next? Are you going to decide I said she's fucking 75 guys a day in Medellin for $800 per hour. I'm using chicken math, since you're using chicken brain.

This webcam model, like most of the webcam models who are making excellent incomes, is not a prostitute. She wouldn't fuck you for any amount of money. She also has a low tolerance for clueless fucking idiots (maybe that's why we get along so well), so your charm won't work either.

Another clue that's completely wasted on you:

Webcam models work on websites. Specifically they work on webcam websites. That's why they are called "webcam models. " If you want to talk to a webcam model, you go to a webcam website because, and this is the tricky part, Webcam models work on Webcam Websites..

Giving you the WhatsApp number for any webcam model won't do you any good, because she's not a prostitute, and if she's making good money, she doesn't want to talk to any clueless fucking idiots.

You can find lots of prostitutes who will tell you they are on webcam. If you weren't a clueless fucking idiot you'd recognize that I recently mentioned one by name that can be found on Facebook. She would probably fuck you, but she's out of your price range. She can't really help you with talking about making the big money, because she's just getting started and isn't making much. However, I can guarantee you she will happily fuck you for $800. All you have to do is make the offer.

I'm not setting anyone up for failure. I'm not even sure where that came from. Who can tell what will come out of a chicken brain? If someone wants to go to a webcam site and spend $800 on a webcam model they are guaranteed to succeed. They will no longer have the money and the webcam model will get her share of it ($500 if she's independent, $250-$400 if she works for a studio). Failure is not a possibility. However, if they are stupid enough to think that spending $800 on a webcam model on a different continent will somehow get them laid that night, then they're going to be disappointed.

Again, because your feeble little chicken brain seems to have a problem with this, I never claimed you could fuck my former roommate for $800. Even if she told me to find a guy who would fuck her for $800, I'd give her WhatsApp number to a syphilitic warthog with halitosis before I'd give it to you.

I've got a new tagline for you. Try:

PolloNegro is out of fucking brain cells.

PolloNegro

06-29-20, 00:02

Everyone knows you've been wrong before. I'm beginning to think that's your career path. I already explained to you how you can witness payments like that. You're calling BS on something you can easily verify, yet you refuse to try to verify but.

Nobody knows how many fellow mongers you've met, because knowing you, you're going to make up a number, multiply it by your age or your IQ, same result, then claim you met that many mongers and fucked all their sisters, while their mothers rubbed your balls. Make it easy, just list their ISG handles. Name just one. One monger who showed you pictures of a webcam model, told you he could set you up with the model and then failed to produce.

That's completely irrelevant. I never claimed I could set you up with a webcam model, I never produced a picture. I stated I know a model who receives a weekly large tip from someone she's never met. Fuck. If I wrote that I know a good place to get a cheap lunch with excellent food, you'd be claiming you've met 100 mongers who said they knew where to get the best steak in Medellin, but they all took you to McDonald's, therefore you don't believe me.

Nobody said girls in Medellin are earning $800 per day. Once again, I stated that my former roommate, a webcam model, receives a weekly tip from a guy and that tip costs him $800. She doesn't even live in Colombia anymore. She is now living in a first world country.

Nobody stated the transaction involved "buy a twat. " I specifically stated the guy has never met the girl. She's a webcam model. She doesn't go to cheap El Centro apartments to fuck clueless clowns for money.

It's like your brain shuts off when you see a post by me..Bigfoot theory, save the grand standing insults, it shows your inability to accept when others do not accept your way of thinking. I still do not believe you, Pollo Negro is out!

JjBee62

06-29-20, 02:30

Bigfoot theory, save the grand standing insults, it shows your inability to accept when others do not accept your way of thinking. I still do not believe you, Pollo Negro is out!Others have accepted it just fine. Others have confirmed how much some of the webcam models make. There are countless online sources available that confirm how much webcam models are making. A few years ago HBO did some episodes on whatever their sex series was called going through the lives and earnings of webcam girls. Various reliable news sources have done stories on webcam modeling. There's practically a library of available sources to confirm the possibility of what I have stated.

None other than the first person to show you around Medellin has weighed in and stated he personally witnessed a webcam model make over $30,000 on her birthday.

Last year I watched one of the popular chicks on Chaturbate make over $30,000 on her birthday in tips. I was amazed.Yet you still don't believe me? You understand that every time you repeat "I don't believe you" you're proving I'm not insulting you when I call you a clueless fucking idiot? I'm stating a fact you keep demanding the right to prove.

Keep it coming. I'm enjoying how silly you are making yourself look.

JjBee62

06-29-20, 03:19

Bigfoot theory, save the grand standing insults, it shows your inability to accept when others do not accept your way of thinking. I still do not believe you, Pollo Negro is out!Here's my way of thinking. It might help you avoid making a fool of yourself in the future.

If someone says something I think is wrong, I look it up. If they provide me some sources, I check them out. Are they reliable sources? Can I find any supporting sources? Is there sufficient evidence to support the other person's claims or position? If the answer is "yes" I've learned something and I'm happy to have the new knowledge.

If the links are to clickbait sites, or known propoganda sites, I find reputable sites. I find out whether or not their claims have any validity. If the claims are invalid, I will show them, step by step why they are mistaken. I don't care if they change their mind. I put the correct information out for everyone else, to give them the chance to know the facts.

That's how I think. Now if others don't accept that way of thinking, they deserve the insults, because they are refusing to even examine something, which they have no knowledge of, before deciding they know the facts.

I'll give an example you might be able to relate to.

30 years ago I suffered a serious back injury, which sidelined me for 18 months. I've had frequent back problems since. Several years ago, I was golfing and smashed a drive, right at 300 yards in the middle of the fairway. Unfortunately, just as I connected with the ball my foot slipped. Because I was overpowering my swing, that little slip was enough to slip a disc, L3 to be exact. Needless to say, I didn't finish my round.

Went home used my TENS unit for awhile and popped 1600 MG of ibuprofen. About 2 am the pain was off the scale and I went to the emergency room. Just getting there was a challenge.

Went to the admissions desk, the on duty doctor was sitting there as the nurse took my information. I explained about my history of back problems. I explained what I was doing when I experienced the pain. I described the pain. The doctor, after hearing all of that declared "you've got kidney stones. " he went on to guarantee that my problem was kidney stones. I told him no and repeated everything to him. Again he assured me it was kidney stones.

So instead of an x-ray to identify the disc problem they took x-rays which proved I didn't have kidney stones. I spent 6 hours in agony waiting for another doctor to come in with the "good news. You don't have kidney stones. " No shit doc. I knew that when I walked in.

That first doctor used your way of thinking. He was presented with sufficient evidence to make an informed decision and refused to even consider the evidence, because he had already decided what the answer was.

Completely unrelated, but because I mentioned it elsewhere, here's a link to Camgirl Magazine. If you appreciate excellent photography and beautiful women, check it out. You'll get to see some of the top webcam models looking their absolute best.

https://juanbustos.com/camgirl-english/

Yes, it's run by Juan Bustos. He might be considered the (young) Hugh Hefner of Colombia. The model in the first issue, Laura Vega, was the first model I worked with in Medellin. Hot as fuck, but a complete pain in the ass. Nice girl, though.

PolloNegro

06-29-20, 16:17

Here's my way of thinking. It might help you avoid making a fool of yourself in the future.

If someone says something I think is wrong, I look it up. If they provide me some sources, I check them out. Are they reliable sources? Can I find any supporting sources? Is there sufficient evidence to support the other person's claims or position? If the answer is "yes" I've learned something and I'm happy to have the new knowledge.

If the links are to clickbait sites, or known propoganda sites, I find reputable sites. I find out whether or not their claims have any validity. If the claims are invalid, I will show them, step by step why they are mistaken. I don't care if they change their mind. I put the correct information out for everyone else, to give them the chance to know the facts.

That's how I think. Now if others don't accept that way of thinking, they deserve the insults, because they are refusing to even examine something, which they have no knowledge of, before deciding they know the facts.

I'll give an example you might be able to relate to...I learned a long time ago, people who were good with words, were never good in action or had the ability to back up their BS. They were all good at selling you a story if you were willing to buy. Anytime anyone must come online to belittle another BM, clearly shoes that you are inferior to the words that you type. I may type stupid words, I may seem controversial, but I can back up anything that I have posted on line. That's the difference in being able to seem intelligent and actually the ability to deliver.

I am not from your era, you are from the era of where a man's word meant something, I am from the era of "show and prove!" you are 20 yrs my senior and still you have no ability to convince me that what you are selling I should buy, why? Because you cannot prove it in a manner that satisfies my belief system. You writing skills may be off the scale, but I do not buy or believe what you write. You have to find others from your era who can believe in that foolishness that you are typing. I may seem illiterate, I may seem subpar, but what I can tell you is that I have been here in Medellin for 4 months and every month has become cheaper and cheaper to live.

So once again, continue to use your great big words to attempt to humiliate someone who does not buy the BS that you are writing, and until you can simplify your rationale and make it make sense, I will continue to call it BigFoot Theory, Pollo Negro is out!

JonSnow1

06-29-20, 16:50

It's true some Colombian camgirls are making bank. I used to buy tokens off several camgirls. I would wire them the same amount that Chaturbate would pay them. It was convenient because the girls would receive payment faster than the bi-weekly cashout period and I was buying tokens at cost without the markup. One of the girls I know is a friend and former coworker with a top model; Angela_5. She said Angela just bought her own apartment and paid for a Fiat in cash. She also said all the money she's making on Chaturbate changed her. They're still friends, but not quite as close as when they both worked at the same studio. Angela is an Independent model now.

Anyhow, I would wire models anywhere from $200 - $600. I became verified on chaturbate so that I could cash out the tokens I didn't spend. Chaturbate sends out 1099's, so I stopped cashing out tokens.

Some camgirls are pay2 play. A few are also on SA. The most popular models make too much money to be pay2 play. The average price I was quoted was $200 for a session for a few girls. If they get to know you and feel you're not a creep, some are willing to meet for coffee or lunch. Although it would most likely be an uphill battle to bed them. These are models that are making decent money on chaturbate. They usually have a few guys that are infatuated with them and give them a majority of their earnings. Also know a former Colombian camgirl that dabbled on SA, and moved to Mexico because that was were she could make more money. Her sugar daddy gave her a brand new Mini Cooper!

BootyBandit84

06-29-20, 20:53

I'm not sure what is so hard to believe about women making money online. They have been making money like that since the internet was created. In the age of social media it's easier than ever, they don't even have to take their clothes off. My cousin, the lucky bastard that he is married a Russian girl a few years ago. I will admit she is ridiculously hot. She has something like 173 k followers an IG. She has several sites like Patreon, Twitter and Only Fans among other. She is always posting pictures of herself in bathing suits and workout clothes that she gets paid to promote. My cousin says on good months she makes over 20 thousand dollars! For posting pictures online! It really blows my mind. Anyway, if she can make that much money with her clothes on I can only imagine how much cam girls can make if they are really popular, the amount must be crazy!

Balboa

06-29-20, 22:35

JjBee62

06-30-20, 00:20

I learned a long time ago, people who were good with words, were never good in action or had the ability to back up their BS. They were all good at selling you a story if you were willing to buy. Anytime anyone must come online to belittle another BM, clearly shoes that you are inferior to the words that you type. I may type stupid words, I may seem controversial, but I can back up anything that I have posted on line. That's the difference in being able to seem intelligent and actually the ability to deliver.

I am not from your era, you are from the era of where a man's word meant something, I am from the era of "show and prove!" you are 20 yrs my senior and still you have no ability to convince me that what you are selling I should buy, why? Because you cannot prove it in a manner that satisfies my belief system. You writing skills may be off the scale, but I do not buy or believe what you write. You have to find others from your era who can believe in that foolishness that you are typing. I may seem illiterate, I may seem subpar, but what I can tell you is that I have been here in Medellin for 4 months and every month has become cheaper and cheaper to live.1. I'm not trying to sell you anything. I've repeatedly told you that what I'm talking about isn't for sale. Really she's not for sale at any price. And I mean any price. You could offer her $50,000 US for a handjob and allow her to wear gloves and she'd turn you down. We had many 3 am discussions about things like that after her shows.

2. If your word is worth nothing, you are worth nothing. That's not something from any era. It's reality. Without integrity your value to society is at best zero.

3. Ask around. Ask if anyone can show that I promised something I couldn't deliver. The trouble seems to be that you think I've offered to deliver something, even though I keep telling you, that thing is not available.

4. If you feel I'm so inferior because I'm able to, usually, write complete sentences, why do my posts get under your skin? I post something that has nothing to do with you, in any way imaginable, and you want to argue with me about it because you misunderstood what I wrote.

5. I don't need to humiliate you. I actually feel bad that you continue to humiliate yourself. Look at the other replies. You expect me to prove something to you by doing something that won't prove what I'm saying to you. I've done everything except take you by the hand to show you how you can verify what I've stated, but you continue to insist I prove something I never said.

If I posted that I know some people in Envigado who are selling homemade burgers for pickup for 11 k including papitas, a bit more for domicilios, you'd announce that someone told you it's illegal to sell hamburgers in Envigado. Then you'd tell me you don't believe it's possible to get hamburgers anywhere in Envigado and tell me you won't believe me until I buy you a hamburger.

BTW, Jack and Roll in Envigado has some great burgers. Classic Diner is also great place for a burger, fries and a chocolate malt. And of you're interested in the 11 k Burger and fries deal, hit me up and I'll put you in touch with them.

PolloNegro

06-30-20, 04:01

1. I'm not trying to sell you anything. I've repeatedly told you that what I'm talking about isn't for sale. Really she's not for sale at any price. And I mean any price. You could offer her $50,000 US for a handjob and allow her to wear gloves and she'd turn you down. We had many 3 am discussions about things like that after her shows.

2. If your word is worth nothing, you are worth nothing. That's not something from any era. It's reality. Without integrity your value to society is at best zero.

3. Ask around. Ask if anyone can show that I promised something I couldn't deliver. The trouble seems to be that you think I've offered to deliver something, even though I keep telling you, that thing is not available.

4. If you feel I'm so inferior because I'm able to, usually, write complete sentences, why do my posts get under your skin? I post something that has nothing to do with you, in any way imaginable, and you want to argue with me about it because you misunderstood what I wrote.

5. I don't need to humiliate you. I actually feel bad that you continue to humiliate yourself. Look at the other replies. You expect me to prove something to you by doing something that won't prove what I'm saying to you. I've done everything except take you by the hand to show you how you can verify what I've stated, but you continue to insist I prove something I never said.I knew you'd bite, your superior complex kicked in say no more, Pollo Negro is out!

PolloNegro

06-30-20, 11:58

It's not rocket science man.

Some girls make money in the Webcam biz and some don't, and some even make a following for themselves and for some reason or another, some lonely sap sends them big money.

There will always be way more that don't earn much, and plenty of girls in the PFP business, some cheap, some not.

So what's the big debate?

And why anyone really cares if you believe them or not, I certainly don't get, Lol.

Also, in every era, a man's word should mean something, but that is of course, once it has been earned or proven.

That's timeless.

Peace.I am from a country where the president lies daily, cops kill minorities and then claim it was resisting arrest, the president advises you to drink bleach, and the same president will use the secret service to hose down and gas protesters and then he will lie about it, and you want me to believe that a man word should mean something! Dude what era are you guys really living in? People with sense are no way as gullible as they once was, I will believe a man's word when someone from the board shows me Bigfoot otherwise, send me a name and a number so I can verify that income from these high class dates myself. Otherwise I am still calling it BS, and don't tell me that my rationale is a whole different subject, its relevant to why, I don't believe anything until I can prove and verify it myself. Pollo Negro is out!

JjBee62

06-30-20, 18:14

I knew you'd bite, your superior complex kicked in say no more, Pollo Negro is out!I'll make it simple, in deference to your cognitive ability.

I stated that you can't get a top webcam model to fuck you for any realistic price. They make too much money and most, that I've talked to, are morally opposed to the idea.

Your reply was that I need to provide you with the phone number of a webcam model you can fuck for $800. If I can't do that, I am just lying to you.

I answered back that top webcam models don't fuck for money and that nobody can provide you the number of a top webcam model who will fuck you for $800.

Again, you insisted that I either give you the number of a top webcam model you can fuck for $800 or I should shut up.

I've lost track of the number of times, but each time I say "You can't get dates with top webcam models" you reply "get me a date with a top webcam model, or admit you're wrong."

If someone tells you, "This is a vegan restaurant, they don't serve any meat", how many times do you try to order a T-Bone steak?

If you go to a produce stand, how many times do you demand for someone to sell you a vacuum cleaner?

Do you search out women with no arms and insist they stick a finger in your ass while giving you a handjob? Do you throw kittens off the roof and tell them "fly away. Be free?

I'm trying to figure a way around the huge stumbling block inside your head.

Webcam models aren't prostitutes. Some prostitutes go on webcam, but they are almost never successful. If anyone is trying to tell you they can hook you up with a top webcam model, I'll happily tell them they are full of shit. Nobody can set you up to fuck a top webcam model.

I never said I can set you up with a top webcam model.

I never said I can set you up with a top webcam model.

I never said I can set you up with a top webcam model.

I never said I can set you up with a top webcam model.

I never said I can set you up with a top webcam model.

Has it penetrated yet?

Balboa

06-30-20, 19:47

I am from a country where the president lies daily, cops kill minorities and then claim it was resisting arrest, the president advises you to drink bleach, and the same president will use the secret service to hose down and gas protesters and then he will lie about it, and you want me to believe that a man word should mean something! Dude what era are you guys really living in? People with sense are no way as gullible as they once was, I will believe a man's word when someone from the board shows me Bigfoot otherwise, send me a name and a number so I can verify that income from these high class dates myself. Otherwise I am still calling it BS, and don't tell me that my rationale is a whole different subject, its relevant to why, I don't believe anything until I can prove and verify it myself. Pollo Negro is out!Good luck to you Pollo, I wish you the best, it really doesn't matter to me if you believe or not.

All good wishes.

Cuídate señor 👊

CzarNicholas

07-01-20, 22:38

"If he likes taking up up the ass let him take it up the ass," well whatever. Lolol.They are really women trapped in a mans body.

CzarNicholas

07-02-20, 20:14

Man what the heck are you talking about? The word simp has nothing to do with this young group of square ass White guys that can not get laid. It is ghetto slang. If we had a friend that we saw who was kissing up to chicks in hopes of getting in good with them, we would tell him to stop being a simp. This was 40 years ago, but I am sure the term dates back probably 100 years in the Black community. There is a saying that goes, "Nice guys finish last. " I didn't make the shit up, but there must be a reason that it exists.

"In some online communities, "simp" exists in the same solar system online as words like "cuck," "soyboy" or "beta" with some distinctions. While "cuck" is a pejorative used to emasculate, a "simp" is used to call out behavior associated with "white knights" or "nice guys". In these cases, men who simp believe that they are owed sex for their good behavior. " https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/meme-review/what-is-a-simp-and-why-is-it-trending.

It is still transactional, because if you showed up without money she would not be telling you shit. You can show up with money and say I want you to tell me mi amor mi amor. You show up with sweet words and no money what will the mi amor mi amor change to? But if it helps you to fool yourself that your compliments are what is doing the trick I guess it is all Kool & the Gang..https://nypost.com/2020/07/02/cubs-jose-quintana-out-after-cutting-finger-washing-dishes/

CzarNicholas

07-02-20, 21:53

man what the heck are you talking about? The word simp has nothing to do with this young group of square ass white guys that can not get laid. It is ghetto slang. If we had a friend that we saw who was kissing up to chicks in hopes of getting in good with them, we would tell him to stop being a simp. This was 40 years ago, but i am sure the term dates back probably 100 years in the black community. There is a saying that goes, "nice guys finish last. " i didn't make the shit up, but there must be a reason that it exists.

"in some online communities, "simp" exists in the same solar system online as words like "cuck," "soyboy" or "beta" with some distinctions. While "cuck" is a pejorative used to emasculate, a "simp" is used to call out behavior associated with "white knights" or "nice guys". In these cases, men who simp believe that they are owed sex for their good behavior. " https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/meme-review/what-is-a-simp-and-why-is-it-trending.

It is still transactional, because if you showed up without money she would not be telling you shit. You can show up with money and say i want you to tell me mi amor mi amor. You show up with sweet words and no money what will the mi amor mi amor change to? But if it helps you to fool yourself that your compliments are what is doing the trick i guess it is all kool & the gang.r.lmaoooooooo.

AdventureSeekr

07-02-20, 22:50

You wrote this on March 14th, predicting there would be panic in Medellin by mid / late March. Well, it's now July 2nd and there is still no panic! So what happened to your predictions, or were you the one who was actually trying to cause panic?

I didn't predict with 💯 % reliability that there were be widespread panic and Colombia would burn to the ground. You're really obsessed with panic for someone who wants to look like they aren't panicking. I had chicas hitting me up asking for money and sounding distraught (when they never did that before). The supermarkets being looted by crowds of people, that's not panic. Friends in Medellin telling me chicas won't come out to session because of covid for over a month. Really, nothing was impacted in Colombia? You sure? Interesting that because I felt a shift in the energy in Medellin at that time and said I think people will start to be on edge/panic when they cant work, that you want to vilify me for sharing an opinion and then push it on me that I was even trying to CAUSE panic.

I literally started off saying I'm not interested in panic but in being prepared. What do I lose by having extra food in the house? Nothing. What do you lose by not understanding supply chains are fragile and being unprepared? Your life. It's not even worth debating which makes more sense. I don't have the power or interest, or frankly care enough about *you* to cause panic, but thank you for thinking so highly of me that I could do such a thing.

Coupe66

07-02-20, 23:13

Surfer500

07-02-20, 23:15

Coupe66

07-02-20, 23:30

I didn't predict with 💯 % reliability that there were be widespread panic and Colombia would burn to the ground. You're really obsessed with panic for someone who wants to look like they aren't panicking. I had chicas hitting me up asking for money and sounding distraught (when they never did that before). The supermarkets being looted by crowds of people, that's not panic. Friends in Medellin telling me chicas won't come out to session because of covid for over a month. Really, nothing was impacted in Colombia? You sure? Interesting that because I felt a shift in the energy in Medellin at that time and said I think people will start to be on edge/panic when they cant work, that you want to vilify me for sharing an opinion and then push it on me that I was even trying to CAUSE panic.

I literally started off saying I'm not interested in panic but in being prepared. What do I lose by having extra food in the house? Nothing. What do you lose by not understanding supply chains are fragile and being unprepared? Your life. It's not even worth debating which makes more sense. I don't have the power or interest, or frankly care enough about *you* to cause panic, but thank you for thinking so highly of me that I could do such a thing.In Colombia they introduced a policy of 'buy max 2 of any particular product' in supermarkets at the start of the quarantine, which was respected. All supermarkets I saw were pretty much fully stocked. People who empty supermarket shelves of everything are in my opinion anyway the lowest of the low! If you knew ANYTHING about Colombia you would know that it's a BREAD BASKET of agricultural production, and can be almost self-sufficient when it needs to be.

Did you maybe consider the fact that in Colombia, unlike the USA there wasn't even enough cash or easy credit in the country for the people to be able to empty the shelves, even if they had wanted to. I guess not!

A few chicas not wanting to visit your buddies because of respecting the rules is not panic! And people who can't work everywhere are in trouble, not only in Colombia! Maybe you were pre-judging them by what you know about Puerto Rico and how the people behave there? Well, Colombia is not Puerto Rico!!

Sandy Laureles

07-02-20, 23:57

1. I'm not trying to sell you anything. I've repeatedly told you that what I'm talking about isn't for sale. Really she's not for sale at any price. And I mean any price. You could offer her $50,000 US for a handjob and allow her to wear gloves and she'd turn you down. We had many 3 am discussions about things like that after her shows.

2. If your word is worth nothing, you are worth nothing. That's not something from any era. It's reality. Without integrity your value to society is at best zero.

3. Ask around. Ask if anyone can show that I promised something I couldn't deliver. The trouble seems to be that you think I've offered to deliver something, even though I keep telling you, that thing is not available.

4. If you feel I'm so inferior because I'm able to, usually, write complete sentences, why do my posts get under your skin? I post something that has nothing to do with you, in any way imaginable, and you want to argue with me about it because you misunderstood what I wrote.

5. I don't need to humiliate you. I actually feel bad that you continue to humiliate yourself. Look at the other replies. You expect me to prove something to you by doing something that won't prove what I'm saying to you. I've done everything except take you by the hand to show you how you can verify what I've stated, but you continue to insist I prove something I never said..Send me contact info. Do they deliver to Laurels?

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Balboa

07-03-20, 02:34

Any thoughts on how you would have felt had you been in Colombia at the time?Well to be honest, my symptoms never got severe enough to even consider medical attention.

Wouldn't have mattered if I was in Colombia, Tahiti or the USA.

I'm in my 50's and in pretty good shape and health.

I stayed in the USA for family issues, but wish every day I was in Colombia or Brazil.

I imagine if I had other health type issues, I would have feared more being in a foreign land and getting the virus.

Now that I've had the virus and recovered, I still wish I was back in Colombia or Brazil, Lol.

Nounce

07-03-20, 03:33

I didn't hide behind any computer, I stayed in Colombia and went out when it as allowed! Seriously man, change your name from AdventureSeekr, it's an abomination ! You seek no adventures except hiding away and surrounding yourself with tins of beans to survive on! Have you even been out of the house in the last 3. 5 months, apart from to walk your dogs around the block maybe?Coupe, you are hilarious! Hindsight is 2020, I think you are too harsh.

SJobs

07-03-20, 10:17

People suffer because of the lockdowns. Bolsonaro got it right, the politicians who ordered the lockdowns are guilty of murdering the global economy because of a virus that only had the capacity to kill old, weak and extremely unlucky that probably would have died anyways. This virus is a joke!

But I guess that I should be grateful for the incompetent politicians, without them I wouldn't been able to get a 3000 discount on the new car that I just leased. Fuck the poor, "it's a rich man's world" as we Swedes used to sing.Wow, what the fuck did I just read, are you for real dude?

Black Page

07-03-20, 10:21

Well to be honest, my symptoms never got severe enough to even consider medical attention.
I imagine if I had other health type issues, I would have feared more being in a foreign land and getting the virus.You have been lucky, or maybe rather you were not unlucky, considered that in the majority of cases is like yours. It's really good to hear all that.

However, I am curious to know: for the weeks you were aware to have the virus active in you, how did you manage your regular life? I assume, or I hope, you never went out of you home, maybe your room if you live with a family. But if you live with a family, also they are supposed to stay at home and do not go out. So how to buy food? Home delivery? From your posts, you seem to be a responsible person, but I suspect that many in USA do not care much about this, or we would not see such an impressive increase. It's out of control now in USA, and it will take a lot of patience and discipline to lower the progression rate.

Now imagine your few weeks in Colombia, in a rented apartment or hotel, with the possibility that someone reports the case to the health officers and you also receive an official notice to not go out of your room or receive guests. And no way to fly back home until tested negative two times. It's a nightmare, with the pending threat and bad thoughts every day "Now what happens if my conditions worsen?? Who will take care of me?"

AdventureSeekr

07-03-20, 12:47

Dude, you were writing panicky fear mongering posts every day in mid March, going on about how terrible it was in Puerto Rico and that it would be just the same in Colombia in a matter of weeks! So if you had left, and you didn't care what others did, why did you keep posting those things? Why did you bother writing them if you weren't trying to scare others? And no accounting for differences in the country, behaviour of the people etc. in your calculations of doom! And I'm certainly not mentioning JJBee and Surfer!

I've noticed that you're still doing the same on here and others are complaining about your fear mongering just in the last few days. I didn't hide behind any computer, I stayed in Colombia and went out when it as allowed! Seriously man, change your name from AdventureSeekr, it's an abomination ! You seek no adventures except hiding away and surrounding yourself with tins of beans to survive on! Have you even been out of the house in the last 3. 5 months, apart from to walk your dogs around the block maybe?So you advocate people go travel during a global pandemic when most places are closed to Americans and it's not even possible? And then you go further and call that an adventure. You're a total moron. You keep making stuff up and saying I said things I never said. You're arguing with a reality that doesn't even exist except in your own mind. It doesn't seem like your handling this situation well at all. Your mental health seems to be suffering.

I'll say it again since you're having a really difficult time with this, nothing about my life has changed other than me being more prepared than before.

Coupe66

07-03-20, 13:01

Coupe, you are hilarious! Hindsight is 2020, I think you are too harsh.Cheers! He deserves it though for writing all that crap back in March! Re. hindsight, I did say back then it will mainly only affect the elderly and those with pre existing conditions, that the virus wouldn't get out of control and that Colombia could handle it. So far, think I've been proved right!

JjBee62

07-03-20, 13:31

Cheers! He deserves it though for writing all that crap back in March! Re. hindsight, I did say back then it will mainly only affect the elderly and those with pre existing conditions, that the virus wouldn't get out of control and that Colombia could handle it. So far, think I've been proved right!I really don't want to be a part of this squabble. It's worth pointing out that a lot of people said things in March that turned out to be completely wrong, myself included.

I did say I thought Colombia was better equipped to handle it, mainly because their supply chain is much more localized than the US. Another advantage I didn't think of at the time is the limited intercity travel. Most of the people in Medellin, or Bucaramanga, stay there. If they travel to another city it's by plane or bus, which is easy to shutdown. This makes isolation easier.

In the US, if someone in Detroit wants to go to Chicago, they hop in the car and drive. There have been several stories about large numbers being infected because they travelled to a birthday party or reunion.

The virus hasn't gotten out of control in Colombia yet. Neither have they gotten it under control yet. If the current trend continues it will be out of control in just a few more days. Let's hope that doesn't happen.

Yes, the disease mostly affects the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions. Most diseases are like that, either the very old or the very young are the most susceptible. Does that matter? I know people who are old, who have pre-existing conditions, and who don't want to die. Do we all have an expiration date? Once we reach that age, we need to go die quietly? What age is that for you? Think about it. When I was 18 I couldn't imagine anyone over 30 being happy. When I was 30 I laughed about how little my 18 year old self knew. Now I'm 58 and 70 doesn't seem too old.

It might not matter to you. You might not know anyone over 65, or know anyone with a pre-existing condition, but I'm certain it matters to most of them and to most of us as well.

Elvis 2008

07-03-20, 14:20

I would love for you to quote me and repost it here saying "people should leave Colombia ASAP!" when Covid was hitting a few months back. People asked why * I * was choosing to leave, and I gave my reasons, one of them being I have pets and with the lockdown, the petsitter was not allowed to do the daily outcalls to my house. If I stayed in Colombia, my pets would actually be dead right now.Oh, brother! Dead pets?

The fact that you're implying me, and people like JJBee and Surfer, don't interact with Colombians just proves you have zero reading comprehension skills and helps me understand how you misunderstood everything else you went on about.

I find it hilarious that the people who post numbers, statistics and medical journal entries are called "fear mongerers" and "inciting panic" by people who are absolutely crapping their pants from behind their computer screen, frantically slamming away at the keyboard with their tinfoil hat on. You and Elvis are the only ones here sounding scared man. The rest of us are just taking minor precautions and going about our day.Have you heard me say that you do not need to worry about STDs, being drugged, or getting robbed? Those have all happened to people here.

I do a calculation that shows how unlikely it is to get Covid from one provider and instead of using math to refute me, it is "You are crazy. You are nuts. " and now "you are the ones sounding scared. ".

Truthfully, Adventure Seeker, (yeah, I do think you should change your name too), I have benefited from the paranoia, so keep spreading it. I was in Mexico City this past week and hooked up with four 10's, and all had lost their jobs due to Covid and would have been off the market otherwise. I have six women in Colombia and one in Brazil, I am in communication with. Four of those seven beg me for virtual sex. About half had jobs and were the kind of women I had a hard time speaking to me before because their time was in such short supply. I have three texts from these women already this morning.

In two days, I will be in Cancun with one of the Mexican 10's. In three weeks, I will be meeting the Brazilian in Mexico City.

As for why the Covid exaggeration continues on, it is about Trump and re-election. We saw this with Russia and then the Ukraine and now Covid. Trump is a threat to anyone living off the USA Printing press.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot easily achieve 'mail-in' voting; which they desperately need in key battleground states in order to control the outcome.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot shut down rallies and political campaigning efforts of President Trump; which they desperate need to do in key battleground states.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot block the campaign contrast between an energetic President Trump and a physically tenuous, mentally compromised, challenger.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats do not have an excuse for cancelling the DNC convention in Milwaukee; thereby blocking Team Bernie Sanders from visible opposition while protecting candidate gibberish from himself.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats do not have a mechanism to keep voters isolated from each-other; limiting communication and national debate adverse to their interests. COVID-19 panic pushes the national conversation into the digital space where Big Tech controls every element of the conversation.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot keep their Blue state economies easily shut-down and continue to block USA Economic growth. All thriving economies are against the political interests of Democrats.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot easily keep club candidate Joe Biden sealed in the basement; where the electorate is not exposed to visible signs of his dementia.

♦Without COVID-19 panic it becomes more difficult for Big Tech to censor voices that would outline the fraud and scheme. With COVID-19 panic they have a better method and an excuse.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot advance, influence, or organize their preferred presidential debate format, a 'virtual presidential debate' series.

Comrade Gretchen Whitmer knows this plan, hence she cancelled the Michigan venue.

All of these, and more, strategic outcomes are based on the manufactured weaponization of the COVID-19 virus to achieve a larger political objective. There is ZERO benefit to anyone other than Democrats for the overwhelming hype surrounding COVID-19.

It is not coincidental that all corporate media are all-in to facilitate the demanded fear that Democrats need in order to achieve their objectives. Thus there is an alignment of all big government institutions and multinationals to support the same.

And it is not every country. The leader of Tanzania set in three samples to the WHO: papaya, goat, and pawpaw, and all tested + for covid.

Getting covid from a one time encounter with a Colombian provider and dying from said virus is a literal one in a million event, but I am not going to argue with you or dispute you anymore given the exaggerations benefit me.

Have fun staying home with your pets!!

Turgid

07-03-20, 14:29

Starting to look like the Chit Chat thread............Started to go a little downwards when Blakman stopped posting.

SpiderRider

07-03-20, 15:23

Oh, brother! Dead pets?

Have you heard me say that you do not need to worry about STDs, being drugged, or getting robbed? Those have all happened to people here.

I do a calculation that shows how unlikely it is to get Covid from one provider and instead of using math to refute me, it is "You are crazy. You are nuts. " and now "you are the ones sounding scared. ".

Truthfully, Adventure Seeker, (yeah, I do think you should change your name too), I have benefited from the paranoia, so keep spreading it. I was in Mexico City this past week and hooked up with four 10's, and all had lost their jobs due to Covid and would have been off the market otherwise. I have six women in Colombia and one in Brazil, I am in communication with. Four of those seven beg me for virtual sex. About half had jobs and were the kind of women I had a hard time speaking to me before because their time was in such short supply. I have three texts from these women already this morning.

In two days, I will be in Cancun with one of the Mexican 10's. In three weeks, I will be meeting the Brazilian in Mexico City.

As for why the Covid exaggeration continues on, it is about Trump and re-election. We saw this with Russia and then the Ukraine and now Covid. Trump is a threat to anyone living off the USA Printing press.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot easily achieve 'mail-in' voting; which they desperately need in key battleground states in order to control the outcome.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot shut down rallies and political campaigning efforts of President Trump; which they desperate need to do in key battleground states.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot block the campaign contrast between an energetic President Trump and a physically tenuous, mentally compromised, challenger.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats do not have an excuse for cancelling the DNC convention in Milwaukee; thereby blocking Team Bernie Sanders from visible opposition while protecting candidate gibberish from himself.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats do not have a mechanism to keep voters isolated from each-other; limiting communication and national debate adverse to their interests. COVID-19 panic pushes the national conversation into the digital space where Big Tech controls every element of the conversation.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot keep their Blue state economies easily shut-down and continue to block USA Economic growth. All thriving economies are against the political interests of Democrats.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot easily keep club candidate Joe Biden sealed in the basement; where the electorate is not exposed to visible signs of his dementia.

♦Without COVID-19 panic it becomes more difficult for Big Tech to censor voices that would outline the fraud and scheme. With COVID-19 panic they have a better method and an excuse.

♦Without COVID-19 panic Democrats cannot advance, influence, or organize their preferred presidential debate format, a 'virtual presidential debate' series.

Comrade Gretchen Whitmer knows this plan, hence she cancelled the Michigan venue.

All of these, and more, strategic outcomes are based on the manufactured weaponization of the COVID-19 virus to achieve a larger political objective. There is ZERO benefit to anyone other than Democrats for the overwhelming hype surrounding COVID-19.

It is not coincidental that all corporate media are all-in to facilitate the demanded fear that Democrats need in order to achieve their objectives. Thus there is an alignment of all big government institutions and multinationals to support the same.

And it is not every country. The leader of Tanzania set in three samples to the WHO: papaya, goat, and pawpaw, and all tested + for covid.

Getting covid from a one time encounter with a Colombian provider and dying from said virus is a literal one in a million event, but I am not going to argue with you or dispute you anymore given the exaggerations benefit me.

Have fun staying home with your pets!!While I agree with most of what you say. Please everyone STOP posting your pathetic LAYPERSON opinions of Viral Illness. There are 1000 other forums for this non-sense! Likewise USA Politics. God, People, that's enough! If you are not here with us in Colombia sharing insights to lifestyle, Or asking focused questions on the topic. Please GO AWAY.

Balboa

07-03-20, 19:29

You have been lucky, or maybe rather you were not unlucky, considered that in the majority of cases is like yours. It's really good to hear all that.

However, I am curious to know: for the weeks you were aware to have the virus active in you, how did you manage your regular life? I assume, or I hope, you never went out of you home, maybe your room if you live with a family. But if you live with a family, also they are supposed to stay at home and do not go out. So how to buy food? Home delivery? From your posts, you seem to be a responsible person, but I suspect that many in USA do not care much about this, or we would not see such an impressive increase. It's out of control now in USA, and it will take a lot of patience and discipline to lower the progression rate.

Now imagine your few weeks in Colombia, in a rented apartment or hotel, with the possibility that someone reports the case to the health officers and you also receive an official notice to not go out of your room or receive guests. And no way to fly back home until tested negative two times. It's a nightmare, with the pending threat and bad thoughts every day "Now what happens if my conditions worsen?? Who will take care of me?"I self isolated actually even before my positive test.

When my symptoms came on strong, I was pretty sure I had the virus.

I live alone in a condo on the beach.

My family lives close by, they delivered anything I needed to my doorstep and left.

I read a lot, talked on the phone and texted a lot, watched lots of Netflix, Amazon Prime movies, etc, etc.

I did not want to pass it on to anyone.

If I had been in Colombia, I'm sure I would have made it thru the same.

Probably not as easily as in my Condo in the USA.

I've been hanging in Medellin for a long time now, and have many friends and contacts.

I don't believe the USA is full of irresponsible people who test Positive and don't care about passing it to others.

Probably more of asymptotic people, most likely younger, just wanting to live again and passing it on.

Bars reopening, protest crowds, etc, etc.

Who knows, I'm not an expert on it and certainly don't want to start a debate.

JjBee62

07-04-20, 15:15

Oh, brother! Dead pets?

Have you heard me say that you do not need to worry about STDs, being drugged, or getting robbed? Those have all happened to people here.

I do a calculation that shows how unlikely it is to get Covid from one provider and instead of using math to refute me, it is "You are crazy. You are nuts. " and now "you are the ones sounding scared. ".

Truthfully, Adventure Seeker, (yeah, I do think you should change your name too), I have benefited from the paranoia, so keep spreading it. I was in Mexico City this past week and hooked up with four 10's, and all had lost their jobs due to Covid and would have been off the market otherwise. I have six women in Colombia and one in Brazil, I am in communication with. Four of those seven beg me for virtual sex. About half had jobs and were the kind of women I had a hard time speaking to me before because their time was in such short supply. I have three texts from these women already this morning.Them durn "panic Democrats. " Jajajaja.

Using current infection numbers, the chance of encountering any person in Colombia who has, or would test positive for coronavirus is less than 1 in 800. That's assuming every person in Colombia is equally at risk. I'd figure any prepago as being higher risk, but let's stick with 1 in 800.

You get that number by adding up the number of new cases over the past 14 days. Since around 40% of all cases are asymptomatic, multiply the number by 1. 4, giving the approximate number of people in Colombia who are currently contagious. Remember, this number is still going up. Then divide the 50 million population of Colombia by the Roughly 65,000 contagious people and round 769 up to 800.

If you spend time with a working girl who is infected, your risk of being infected has to approach 100%.

Using current US statistics, 3.3% of the infected die. (Total known cases multiplied by 1. 4, divided by total known deaths). Or Current Colombia numbers show 2.5% die. But that number is too high, so let's drop it all the way down to 0.1%. I don't want to be accused of being a "panic Democrats" because I used actual numbers.

Let's make it even better. Even though your chance of getting the disease from 1 working girl in Colombia is 1 in 800, let's say only half the people kissing and spending an hour having sex with an infected person will become infected. Now using non-panic Democrat math, we're at 1 in 1600 mongers will be infected from any working girl encounter. And 1 of every 1000 of those infected will die.

Congratulations! By completely making up numbers, the chance of dying from COVID-19 in Colombia from seeing 1 working girl is 1 in 1. 6 million. That's amazing! By making up numbers and ignoring reality, we can prove there's almost no risk at all.

Good thing we avoided those pesky real numbers, because the real numbers show the current risk of COVID-19 death from 1 prepago session as 1 in 32,000. If you see 10 different girls in a week, now it's 1 in 3,200.

Of course neither case considers the individual monger. Young, strong immune system, no high-risk pre-existing conditions and chance of death goes way down. But spending a few weeks suffering doesn't sound fun. On the other hand, if the person is high risk, their risk of death starts at 1 in 1600. After 10 girls, 1 in 160.

Finally got numbers from the local nursing home I've written about a few times. Official number of resident deaths -18. Turns out there were fewer residents than I thought. 18 of 36 residents died from COVID-19. Knowing the area, I'm guessing at least 14 of those were avid Trump supporters.

Http://data.cms.gov to find all the nursing home data, along with the disclaimers.

I guess I'm missing something, because I don't see a lot of panic from the Democrats. They look rather smug at this point.

I do agree with you on one thing, I think Trump should have all the rallies he wants. I'm willing to use taxpayer money to provide transportation to anyone who wants to go to a Trump rally. The best thing for the "panic Democrats" is to let Trump prove there is no need to worry about the coronavirus.

Fun Luvr

07-04-20, 18:05

... You get that number by adding up the number of new cases over the past 14 days. Since around 40% of all cases are asymptomatic, multiply the number by 1. 4, giving the approximate number of people in Colombia who are currently contagious. Remember, this number is still going up. Then divide the 50 million population of Colombia by the Roughly 65,000 contagious people and round 769 up to 800. ...Your numbers and calculations are really shady, but I don't expect any liberal to be proficient dealing with facts. What source did you use for the 40% asymptomatic number? There are various sources with a wide range of estimates. But going with that percentage, you don't multiple by 1.4 to get your base number. That's like saying 60 times 1.4 equals 100. You divide the number you have by 60%. Also, your assumption is that no asymptomatic person has been tested. Since less than 14% of those tested in Colombia have tested positive, my guess is that most of the asymptomatic people have been tested. Rather than go through all those gymnastics, why not just use the number of active cases (less those hospitalized) and add whatever imaginary number you want for the asymptomatic cases?

The bottom line is that people will decide for themselves what they want to do. I have neighbors who will not go to a restaurant to eat, and others who will not even go out to buy food and supplies. They order everything delivered. Others go to restaurants almost daily and congregate with a group of people around one table.

JjBee62

07-04-20, 21:21

No one is turning down $150 mil pesos for 2 hours. If you are crazy enough to walk around Parque Botero at 10 pm, have at it, I meet chics everyday that are not Botero rats, like Veronica, I met her in exito while shopping. No matter how you cut it, it all depends on what you want to spend. No matter how much you spend, these chicas are still located in Medellin! Pollo Negro is out!All I can suggest is you should do a better job of reading the forum.

I agree with you 100% that you can find plenty of options for under 150 k, 125 k, 100 k and even 80 k. I know for certain that is easy to find.

However, there are plenty of girls who won't come out right now, today, for 200 k. There are girls who won't come out for 250 k. I've got a few in my WhatsApp who won't come out for 500 k.

If you meet a woman in El Centro, unless she's sitting behind the desk in a government office, she's an El Centro girl. Girls from Envigado and Bello don't go to El Centro to go to Exito. Whether she's in Botero Plaza or Parque Boston, if she's selling pussy, she's selling pussy at a price she can get in El Centro.

Now get online. Find the girls who are going to come to El Centro for 2 hours for 150 k or less. I'll even give you a name. Diana Garcia. She's easy to find on Facebook. She's advertising citas, videos and video calls every day. She's got a bunch of women available. Get her to agree to send you a girl to El Centro, minimum of 2 hours, maximum of 150 k. No more for taxi, no more for BBBJ and no more for anal. Or you can look up La Vane Restrepo. Write the review telling how none of the girls working with those 2 would turn down 150 k.

I don't understand why you keep making the same mistake. You keep claiming that nobody in Medellin is doing something. Or you will claim that everyone in Medellin will do something. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to make statements like that. Even you must realize that you don't know every single woman in Medellin. How can you possibly speak for all of them?

Pre COVID-19, every night you could find girls in Gusto who wouldn't budge off of $200. There were also girls in La Isla (not to be confused with Las Islas, the strip club) who wouldn't come off of $300. It's simple. They don't need the money. They aren't hooking to pay the bills. They've got jobs or family keeping them comfortable. Selling pussy is just a way to get something extra and maybe make a beneficial connection.

Many of them still have jobs. Many of them don't want to come out and go straight to some apartment. They want dinner and dancing and then to end up in a penthouse apartment at 3 am. They want to be in a place where they can take 30 selfies.

JjBee62

07-04-20, 22:22

Your numbers and calculations are really shady, but I don't expect any liberal to be proficient dealing with facts. What source did you use for the 40% asymptomatic number? There are various sources with a wide range of estimates. But going with that percentage, you don't multiple by 1.4 to get your base number. That's like saying 60 times 1.4 equals 100. You divide the number you have by 60%. Also, your assumption is that no asymptomatic person has been tested. Since less than 14% of those tested in Colombia have tested positive, my guess is that most of the asymptomatic people have been tested. Rather than go through all those gymnastics, why not just use the number of active cases (less those hospitalized) and add whatever imaginary number you want for the asymptomatic cases?

The bottom line is that people will decide for themselves what they want to do. I have neighbors who will not go to a restaurant to eat, and others who will not even go out to buy food and supplies. They order everything delivered. Others go to restaurants almost daily and congregate with a group of people around one table.I always thought math was a required subject. I didn't realize I could have skipped those classes. This is hilarious.

If the price of a clue is $1 and the price goes up by 40%, what is the new price of a clue? Let's see. 40% of $1 is 0.40. Add 1 and the new price is $1. 40. Or you can just multiply 1 by 1.4 (1 represents the original price, because any number multiplied by 1 returns the same number, and the. 40 represents the increase of 40% because 40% in decimal is 0.40). That's 6th grade math.

If we do it your way, increasing the price of a clue by 40%, starting at $1, we divide $1 by 0. 6 and we get $1. 67 (1.6666666666). But why not! Let's do it your way. That means instead of 65,000 contagious people we have 76,820, or 1 of every 651 people in Colombia are contagious. Your method actually makes it look worse.

You really should go to the trouble of doing the math rather than just scoffing at it.

As for asymptomatic cases as a percentage of total cases, I got that here.

https://globalbiodefense.com/2020/06/30/whole-town-study-reveals-large-percentage-of-asymptomatic-covid-19-cases/

Unless you're testing completely randomly, and testing a high percentage of the population, the number of positive test results for asymptomatic cases has little effect on the total.

Your guess is that most of the asymptomatic people have been tested? Are you fucking serious? We've already seen that your math skills should be sending you back to 5th grade. Now let's look at your reasoning skills.

Let's say you live up in La Milagrosa. You're probably going to have to go all the way to El Centro to get tested. You have no fever, no other symptoms whatsoever, it's either a long walk, or you have to pay for a ride. You think the average asymptomatic Colombian is rushing off to a clinic to get tested. You seriously believe that? I wish I had met you when I was in sales. I'd have retired at 30 off of you.

Your conclusion is apropos of nothing. I never said people wouldn't do what they want to do. People are generally stupid. Heck, some people try to teach math when they A. Don't understand it, and be. Don't realize their answer is worse than the answer they're arguing against. People in groups are even worse. I'm assuming you've never been one of a group of 7 people who decided that off roading, drunk, in the mountains of Idaho, at 3 am was a good idea. Neither have I, but I know 7 people who thought it was a good idea, right up to the point where they were upside down.

If you wanted to stay in Medellin, you should have stayed in Medellin. Arguing that someone who decided not to stay in Medellin should have stayed in Medellin, because your neighbors eat at a restaurant is insane.

The last time you decided you were going to pick a fight with me you went away and licked your wounds for 2 months. You really need to do a better job of picking your battles. I've got nothing against you, but if you want to come at me, you're going to need to work on your skills.

Divide by 60% to show a 40% increase. Jajajaja.

I told you it was going to be hilarious!

Fun Luvr

07-05-20, 14:50

As for asymptomatic cases as a percentage of total cases, I got that here.

https://globalbiodefense.com/2020/06/30/whole-town-study-reveals-large-percentage-of-asymptomatic-covid-19-cases/

Unless you're testing completely randomly, and testing a high percentage of the population, the number of positive test results for asymptomatic cases has little effect on the total.

Your guess is that most of the asymptomatic people have been tested? Are you fucking serious? We've already seen that your math skills should be sending you back to 5th grade. Now let's look at your reasoning skills.

Let's say you live up in La Milagrosa. You're probably going to have to go all the way to El Centro to get tested. You have no fever, no other symptoms whatsoever, it's either a long walk, or you have to pay for a ride. You think the average asymptomatic Colombian is rushing off to a clinic to get tested. You seriously believe that? I wish I had met you when I was in sales. I'd have retired at 30 off of you.

If you wanted to stay in Medellin, you should have stayed in Medellin. Arguing that someone who decided not to stay in Medellin should have stayed in Medellin, because your neighbors eat at a restaurant is insane.

The last time you decided you were going to pick a fight with me you went away and licked your wounds for 2 months. You really need to do a better job of picking your battles. I've got nothing against you, but if you want to come at me, you're going to need to work on your skills.I don't argue with fools, and you are one of the biggest fools on this board. Just to prove it, if 100 people in a village have the virus, and through random testing, 60 people test positive. You do not add 40% to the 60 to determine the number who have the virus, but that is what you did. Can you cite any study that says asymptomatic cases are 40% more than the actual count of cases?

If you live in La Milagrosa, chances are you do not have the virus. So no need to go downtown to be tested. I believe the people of Colombia are rational enough that if someone in their household, or someone they are hanging around with has the virus, they will go get tested.

You are trying to be Adam Schiff again. You can't find anywhere that I argued about staying in or leaving Medellin. But fools keep repeating something that is untrue thinking others will eventual believe them.

JjBee62

07-05-20, 16:20

I don't argue with fools, and you are one of the biggest fools on this board.And yet here you come again to argue with me. Either I'm not a fool, or you do argue with fools. You literally couldn't complete one sentence without fucking up. This looks to be another side-splitter.

Just to prove it, if 100 people in a village have the virus, and through random testing, 60 people test positive. You do not add 40% to the 60 to determine the number who have the virus, but that is what you did.I notice you edited out the math lesson. Why is that? Shall we revisit that again?

You also failed, and keeping true to form, failed miserably, to understand the meaning of "testing a high percentage of the population. " Do you hit yourself repeatedly in the head with a hammer before responding, or is this a chronic condition?

If you have a population of 100 infected people and and you have 60 people testing positive. Hang on a second. There's so much stupidity in your comment I need a few seconds to absorb it all.

Okay let's try this again. If you have 60 positive test results in your village, how do you know you have 100 infected people? What is the overall population of the village? What percentage of the population has been tested? How do you randomly find 60% of the infected population through random testing? Do you not understand search algorithms? Now if 100% of the population is positive, and you randomly test 60%, that will work. But if 1%, 5% or even 25% is positive it's statistically impossible to identify 60% of the positive cases randomly.

You also have failed to learn from the earlier math lesson. 40% of 60 is 24. Adding 40 to 60 is a 67% (66.66666666666) increase. Again, you not only fuck up the elementary school math, but you come up with an answer which is worse than the correct one. Surely you have a calculator app on your phone.

How did you ever become employed? How have you ever earned a paycheck in your life, other than by picking up garbage if you can't do basic math? If you had done it correctly, 60 positive test results, through directed testing, would indicate 84 contagious people. Anyone who made it past 6th grade should be able to calculate that for you.

If you live in La Milagrosa, chances are you do not have the virus. So no need to go downtown to be tested. I believe the people of Colombia are rational enough that if someone in their household, or someone they are hanging around with has the virus, they will go get tested.Can you wipe this one off and soak it in bleach? Because this came straight out of your ass.

In your earlier fiasco you said that you believed almost all the asymptomatic people in Colombia have been tested. Now you're saying there's nobody who is asymptomatic being tested. I'm beginning to think you don't know the meaning of the word "asymptomatic. ".

What scientific method did you use to determine the low risk of infection in La Milagrosa? Do you even know where La Milagrosa is?

You believe the people of Colombia are rational enough? I'm not accepting your credentials to determine rationality of a population. You're the guy who began his post with:

1. A claim you don't argue with fools.

2. A claim that I was a fool.

3. An argument with me to prove the first point.

Your "rational" street cred is lacking.

I believe the people of Colombia are just like everyone else. If they are not sick, they don't go to the doctor.

You are trying to be Adam Schiff again. You can't find anywhere that I argued about staying in or leaving Medellin. But fools keep repeating something that is untrue thinking others will eventual believe them.If you don't know what you are responding to, you should probably go sit in your corner and sulk. My response, which you decided required a demonstration of your inability to do basic math, was in response to a post that openly scoffed at another member's decision to return home rather than stay in Medellin at the start of the shutdown. If you're trying to defend the person scoffing at a person for leaving, you're supporting the acceptability of scoffing at someone for leaving.

I'm sorry, but I'm still laughing at your math.

Let's say you go into a restaurant, and (only because I realize it's impossible to get you to understand this without the simplest numbers) the check is $100. The food was excellent, as was the service and you decide to leave a 20% tip. You multiply 100 by 80% to figure the tip and add $80 before you sign the receipt. Right? The waitress' must love seeing you walk through the door. "Seat him in my section and I'll give you $20. This guy always tips 80% even though he says he's tipping 20%.

The way I do it, multiply 100 by. 2, add $20 and write that down. My 20% tip on $100 miraculously comes out to be $20. Your 20% tip turns out to be $80.

Keep them coming! Now I know why you went with Fun Luvr. You are cracking me up.

That's not right. Where the hell is your trainer? Why hasn't he thrown in the towel? Why hasn't the referee stepped in? Stay down man. Stay down.

The Tall Man

07-05-20, 18:02

All I can suggest is you should do a better job of reading the forum.

I agree with you 100% that you can find plenty of options for under 150 k, 125 k, 100 k and even 80 k. I know for certain that is easy to find.

However, there are plenty of girls who won't come out right now, today, for 200 k. There are girls who won't come out for 250 k. I've got a few in my WhatsApp who won't come out for 500 k.

If you meet a woman in El Centro, unless she's sitting behind the desk in a government office, she's an El Centro girl. Girls from Envigado and Bello don't go to El Centro to go to Exito. Whether she's in Botero Plaza or Parque Boston, if she's selling pussy, she's selling pussy at a price she can get in El Centro.

Now get online. Find the girls who are going to come to El Centro for 2 hours for 150 k or less. I'll even give you a name. Diana Garcia. She's easy to find on Facebook. She's advertising citas, videos and video calls every day. She's got a bunch of women available. Get her to agree to send you a girl to El Centro, minimum of 2 hours, maximum of 150 k. No more for taxi, no more for BBBJ and no more for anal. Or you can look up La Vane Restrepo. Write the review telling how none of the girls working with those 2 would turn down 150 k..Lots of respect to both PN and JjBee62 and just don't get the rants like this one above, makes no sense to me, just remember that we all have different slants and opinions and experiences, not all are true all the time nor not all are un-true all of the time just different.

Just my general statement is that who cares the reasons why a woman sells her pussy, be it to feed her baby at home or to buy a new outfit, everyone has a price and you can market it and package it in different ways but in the end they sell pussy, and thank god for it, hehehehe.

The Tall Man.

Nounce

07-05-20, 22:25

All I can suggest is you should do a better job of reading the forum.

I agree with you 100% that you can find plenty of options for under 150 k, 125 k, 100 k and even 80 k. I know for certain that is easy to find.

However, there are plenty of girls who won't come out right now, today, for 200 k. There are girls who won't come out for 250 k. I've got a few in my WhatsApp who won't come out for 500 k.

If you meet a woman in El Centro, unless she's sitting behind the desk in a government office, she's an El Centro girl. Girls from Envigado and Bello don't go to El Centro to go to Exito. Whether she's in Botero Plaza or Parque Boston, if she's selling pussy, she's selling pussy at a price she can get in El Centro.

Now get online. Find the girls who are going to come to El Centro for 2 hours for 150 k or less. I'll even give you a name. Diana Garcia. She's easy to find on Facebook. She's advertising citas, videos and video calls every day. She's got a bunch of women available. Get her to agree to send you a girl to El Centro, minimum of 2 hours, maximum of 150 k. No more for taxi, no more for BBBJ and no more for anal. Or you can look up La Vane Restrepo. Write the review telling how none of the girls working with those 2 would turn down 150 k.

I don't understand why you keep making the same mistake. You keep claiming that nobody in Medellin is doing something. Or you will claim that everyone in Medellin will do something. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to make statements like that. Even you must realize that you don't know every single woman in Medellin. How can you possibly speak for all of them?
PN is very comfortable in El Centro and it probably is paradise to him so he probably can't think of any need to go to any place else. If you view from this perspective, you probably will understand it no matter what he wrote. It will be the same thing if you try to convince someone who feels at home in El Poblado that El Centro is better.

CzarNicholas

07-05-20, 22:39

PN is very comfortable in El Centro and it probably is paradise to him so he probably can't think of any need to go to any place else. If you view from this perspective, you probably will understand it no matter what he wrote. It will be the same thing if you try to convince someone who feels at home in El Poblado that El Centro is better.If you use an objective standard, such as value for money.

None of this "eye of the beholder" or everyone "rolls differently" bullshit flies.

Only 1 place is better, I can't say which, I haven't arrived yet, but I can tell you now.

One is a joke and one is the place to be, that's not just a matter of opinion.

All variables considered, one is PRIME the other is less than.

What makes it so, if you took 1000 random mongers and let them vote, that would give you an idea.

If there are 2 or 3 weak mongers than pick 1 over the other, their opinion is shit.

SpiderRider

07-06-20, 00:27

All I can suggest is you should do a better job of reading the forum.

Now get online. Find the girls who are going to come to El Centro for 2 hours for 150 k or less. I'll even give you a name. Diana Garcia. She's easy to find on Facebook. She's advertising citas, videos and video calls every day. She's got a bunch of women available. Get her to agree to send you a girl to El Centro, minimum of 2 hours, maximum of 150 k. No more for taxi, no more for BBBJ and no more for anal. Or you can look up La Vane Restrepo. Write the review telling how none of the girls working with those 2 would turn down 150 k.

La Vane continues to quote 230 mil minimum for the girls I'm interested in. Under the circumstances I always have to pass. Their service is often a bit too "pro' anyway.

Mr Enternational

07-06-20, 06:17

All I can suggest is you should do a better job of reading the forum.

Now get online. Find the girls who are going to come to El Centro for 2 hours for 150 k or less. I'll even give you a name. Diana Garcia. She's got a bunch of women available. Get her to agree to send you a girl to El Centro, minimum of 2 hours, maximum of 150 k. Or you can look up La Vane Restrepo. Write the review telling how none of the girls working with those 2 would turn down 150 k.You should do a better job thinking in the forum. He says girls will take 150. Then you challenge him to go through a middlewoman and get the same price of 150. Common sense tells us there will be a markup with each additional person involved in the transaction. If the farmer sells it for 150, I am not fool enough to go to the grocery store and think I can get it from them for 150 as well, when they bought it from the farmer for 150, had to transport it to the store, and had to pay for a space to keep it.

To get it cheapest you go to the source, which in this case is the girl with the actual pussy to sell. That is why if you do go through some agency or whatever the first time, you get the chick's contact info so you can deal with her directly for cheaper than it would be involving the agency.

SJobs

07-06-20, 06:32

PN is very comfortable in El Centro and it probably is paradise to him so he probably can't think of any need to go to any place else. If you view from this perspective, you probably will understand it no matter what he wrote. It will be the same thing if you try to convince someone who feels at home in El Poblado that El Centro is better.I agree, there is no way I will session in el centro, it's just not my scene. There is no way anyone can ever convince me that Poblado is worse than centro, or paying 1 million pesos for a night with two of my favorite girls is too much. I also will forever treat all my girls with respect and be as generous as I can, for me, it's not a weakness. Anyways, this is just me, others are necessarily different from me, no point to argue over other people's life style.

PolloNegro

07-06-20, 14:48

Allow me to help you with something on the thread, trust me, you superiority complex. Superiority complex is an informal term related to the DSM-IV-TR diagnosis grandiose delusions. Superiority complex is either developed from a defensive need to overcome inferiority or constant overwhelming feelings in which an individual feels truly superior to others.

Do you hit yourself repeatedly in the head with a hammer before responding, or is this a chronic condition? There's so much stupidity in your comment I need a few seconds to absorb it all. How did you ever become employed? How have you ever earned a paycheck in your life, other than by picking up garbage if you can't do basic math?
I don't understand why you keep making the same mistake. You keep claiming that nobody in Medellin is doing something. 2. If your word is worth nothing, you are worth nothing. That's not something from any era. It's reality. Without integrity your value to society is at best zero. 4. If you feel I'm so inferior because I'm able to, usually, write complete sentences, why do my posts get under your skin? I will leave well enough alone for now. You are blind to your mal-behavior and superiority complex. Your way is not the only way, its just the only way that you know. Here's a really great question, how in the world would you be able to meet other mongers and feel comfortable after all of the harsh statements you make on the board? Like you said, If your word is worth nothing, you are worth nothing. That's not something from any era. It's reality. Without integrity your value to society is at best zero. All of the BMs are men and grown, you cannot take back what you have written. I hope one day before it is far too late, you learn to address your audience with some simple respect. You are hurt, broken, and bitter, and most of your post shows that by words that you write, but if its all that you know, its all that you know. Only an inferior individual with something to prove would care about trying to impress a 3rd world chic with a first world penthouse, especially when you don't own a penthouse yourself. Pollo Negro is out!

JjBee62

07-06-20, 15:16

Lots of respect to both PN and JjBee62 and just don't get the rants like this one above, makes no sense to me, just remember that we all have different slants and opinions and experiences, not all are true all the time nor not all are un-true all of the time just different.

Just my general statement is that who cares the reasons why a woman sells her pussy, be it to feed her baby at home or to buy a new outfit, everyone has a price and you can market it and package it in different ways but in the end they sell pussy, and thank god for it, hehehehe.

The Tall Man.Call it "journalistic integrity."

Let me start by saying I enjoy PN's reviews. I usually find them entertaining and look forward to them. I have no personal animosity towards him and would happily sit down and discuss our separate experiences over a beer, or two. Like most of the guys I've met, he's probably alright.

It's when someone is constantly throwing out superlatives, that gets under my skin. "Nobody in Medellin is getting paid that kind of money", Every woman in Medellin will accept this price. ".

Those things are about as true as saying every man can dunk a basketball over Anthony Davis.

Finding a woman in El Centro is not the same process as finding a woman in Poblado, Laureles, Belen or Envigado. The price isn't the same either. Some people prefer El Centro and I think that is great. I love spending time in El Centro. Some people prefer Poblado, Laureles or Envigado. I think that's great too. There are things about these areas I love as well.

You're missing out if you haven't eaten at Salpijugos in Envigado, not to mention Classic Diner or El Museo Moto Blanco. El Castillo Museo in Poblado is a great way to spend a few hours. Or go race the Xtreme carts on the bottom level of the Santa Fe mall parking garage. There are also plenty of great little restaurants in Laureles, although I like walking around the Estadio the best. In one day you can watch skateboarders, cheerleaders, martial arts, cheerleaders, basketball, cheerleaders, volleyball, cheerleaders, gymnastics and a local soccer match, all for free. If you get hungry there's dozens of food options that are ridiculously cheap considering they are at the premier sports facility in Medellin. Plus, Energy spa is right across the street.

I'm not the typical monger. I don't go to fuck. I go to experience and enjoy. While I'm doing those things, I also take the time to fuck. It might be a girl at the lowest strip club in Medellin, where I've never seen a girl strip, but where I have always found at least one fuckable girl (and I've never seen more than 5 girls in the place). It might be with one or two hotties at Motel Ibiza.

I appreciate the guys who only do street girls, the guys who only do casas, the guys who only do Gusto girls, the guys who only do Facebook and all the other guys dedicated to their source. It means if I need advice, or I know someone who needs someone to show them the ropes, I know where to send them.

I don't appreciate as much the guys who insist their way is the only way. The guys who insist everyone should pay the same price, do the same things, play the same way. We're all different, we all should have the freedom to pursue the 2 legged happiness dispensers in our own way.

Like I said "journalistic integrity". Or it could be I'm just an asshole.

The (other) Tall (but not quite as tall) Man.

JjBee62

07-06-20, 15:25

PN is very comfortable in El Centro and it probably is paradise to him so he probably can't think of any need to go to any place else. If you view from this perspective, you probably will understand it no matter what he wrote. It will be the same thing if you try to convince someone who feels at home in El Poblado that El Centro is better.I understand that completely. I don't try to convince anyone they need to change their way. More of the opposite. I've taken a few different guys to cruise El Centro, or to visit the strip clubs. I've also pointed a few guys towards Facebook and other sources.

I can view it from his perspective and I accept that El Centro IS paradise to him. I think that is fabulous. However, is it unrealistic to expect everyone else get the same consideration? Is it wrong to suggest guys staying at the Mansion are allowed to believe it's paradise? Or the guys dropping $500 a night in Lleras? Or the guy who takes a girl to San Andres, or Cancun, or Paris? While you and I might think it's crazy to spend that kind of money, if they go home with happy memories, that's all that matters.

JjBee62

07-06-20, 16:06

If you use an objective standard, such as value for money.

None of this "eye of the beholder" or everyone "rolls differently" bullshit flies.

Only 1 place is better, I can't say which, I haven't arrived yet, but I can tell you now.

One is a joke and one is the place to be, that's not just a matter of opinion.

All variables considered, one is PRIME the other is less than.

What makes it so, if you took 1000 random mongers and let them vote, that would give you an idea.

If there are 2 or 3 weak mongers than pick 1 over the other, their opinion is shit.You keep using that phrase, "weak monger. " What's that? Are there "strong mongers" too? Where's the posted criteria for weak and strong mongering?

To me, weakness is the need to criticize the way other people choose to do their own thing. The only people whose mongering method I criticize are the people who feel the constant need to degrade the women. If their masculinity is so threatened by any woman, well they probably aren't wired to be on the driving end. Maybe "pegging" is a better hobby.

Here's my take:

It's my dick. It's attached to my body. All those blood vessels and nerve endings are only attached to my vascular and nervous systems. When I pop an erection, none of your blood supply is affected. When I bust a nut, no endorphins are released in your brain. What I do with my dick is of absolutely no concern of yours, unless you are craving my dick.

When I pay for sex, I use my money. It comes from my pocket. It was earned by me, performing my job. Never has it been money I borrowed from someone else. Whether or not I spent $2 buying a girl a Aguilar Light before taking her home, or whether I handed her 500 k before sending her home, it was all my money. Your bank balance will not be affected. You won't suddenly find yourself out of money. What I do with my money is absolutely no concern of yours unless you're upset that I'm not paying you to suck my dick and bust a nut on your face. If that's the case, sorry, not my thing.

If I manage to give a girl 6 orgasms over a few hours, does that make me weak? When she hits me up 2 weeks later and wants to come see me for half of what I paid the first time (it has happened), am I weak? When she passes my number to 6 of her friends (it has happened), am I weak? When she hits me up out of the blue just to tell me how much she misses me, how much she thinks about me and how eager she is to see me when I return (ditto), am I weak? When she wants to come over and just hang out because she's bored and lonely and doesn't want any money (I'm sensing a trend), am I weak?

If I spend 50 k more than you on a girl who is more attractive to me, am I weak? If I drop an extra 100 k on a girl who spends 6 hours with me instead of the 38 minutes you got, am I weak? If I'm spending the same amount as you for the same girl, but your date consisted of a quick fuck and cleanup and mine consisted of a nice dinner, a movie in one of Medellin's excellent theaters, complete with a blowjob in the back row, sex, cleanup, more sex, cleanup, a nap and more sex, am I being weak?

While there are plenty of women I wouldn't repeat with, I doubt there are many who won't repeat with me. Maybe I pay them more than you think they're worth, but it's my dick, my money. Maybe I put more effort into making sure they are satisfied, still my dick, my money. Maybe after spending time with me they aren't willing to come down to your price. Maybe after spending time with me they're unwilling to put in any effort for you.

Maybe you need to up your game and stop crying that the "weak mongers" are going to ruin it for you.

Knowledge

07-06-20, 16:52

I agree with everything you said except, slightly, that there is no way you will session in Centro. I learned years ago there is a lot of truth in the old saying of "never say never". Back to agreeing with you, I feel very strongly no amount is too much as long as the person paying it is OK with it after making an informed decision. The Medellin market is big enough to remain intact in spite of what happens on the low and high extremes of the payment scale.

I agree, there is no way I will session in el centro, it's just not my scene. There is no way anyone can ever convince me that Poblado is worse than centro, or paying 1 million pesos for a night with two of my favorite girls is too much. I also will forever treat all my girls with respect and be as generous as I can, for me, it's not a weakness. Anyways, this is just me, others are necessarily different from me, no point to argue over other people's life style.

Knowledge

07-06-20, 17:00

Amen, one of the reasons I really wish for a cure and / or effective virus treatment sooner rather than later is so guys will stop the aggro sniping that has gotten worse with every passing month. I suspect it is a symptom of extreme blue balls. We've all been there and I personally don't miss it.

While I agree with most of what you say. Please everyone STOP posting your pathetic LAYPERSON opinions of Viral Illness. There are 1000 other forums for this non-sense! Likewise USA Politics. God, People, that's enough! If you are not here with us in Colombia sharing insights to lifestyle, Or asking focused questions on the topic. Please GO AWAY.

Mr Enternational

07-06-20, 17:22

You're missing out if you haven't eaten at Salpijugos in Envigado, not to mention Classic Diner or El Museo Moto Blanco. El Castillo Museo in Poblado is a great way to spend a few hours. Or go race the Xtreme carts on the bottom level of the Santa Fe mall parking garage. Thanks for the tips. I damn sure won't miss out again.

Mr Enternational

07-06-20, 18:02

Is it wrong to suggest guys staying at the Mansion are allowed to believe it's paradise? Or the guys dropping $500 a night in Lleras? Or the guy who takes a girl to San Andres, or Cancun, or Paris? While you and I might think it's crazy to spend that kind of money, if they go home with happy memories, that's all that matters.It is definitely about the memories and having a good time. For a long tine I have been saying the same thing SJobs said in the other thread: Most of the price difference hinges on ambiance.

At this point I have been damn near everywhere and done damn near everything, so I am not excited (or willing to pay more) over ambiance. I have fucked so many chicks from crack hoes to porn stars that at this point it is just pussy to me and I don't have a reason to pay but so much for it. Besides the tons of free chick I fuck anyway.

I am guilty of usually reporting what price you can get a bare bones chick for. This means that you are only getting the chick. You will have to create your own ambiance how you see fit. You may catch this same chick out on a night full of ambiance at 3 or 4 times the price. But that is not my market.

As I said, for years I have been preaching that here in Thailand you can get the same girl for way less when they are not in some type of club with a middleman involved. But it seems some guys believe the girls in the clubs are hidden away somewhere during non-club hours and only surface when the clubs are in session. No. Those broads go out and eat and everything else that regular people do. As a matter of fact they are only country bumpkin farmers that someone has slapped some high heels, bikini, and makeup on. Don't know why they are seen as a spectacular feat.

(I was dating a chick in the Dominican Republic that showed me all kinds of pictures of her daughters. They were drop dead! Well when I was over to the house and met them, they were just some plain old seemingly shy chicks. I asked my girl about it. She said the pictures were the fixed up going out them. At home was the everyday them. For some reason guys don't want to admit there is no difference in the chicks you see walking around in the daytime and the ones at the clubs in the night. What makes the difference is the ambiance.).

Well with this lockdown in Thailand I was fortunate to meet a couple other board members. One is known for reporting about his exorbitant spending every night. With the lockdown in effect and the clubs closed, he was forced to adopt other methods such as the ones I use. These are meeting chicks on a website and cold meeting chicks on the street while out and about.

He found what I was saying to be true and reported it. He would run into chicks that he has paid at the club before, but now outside they only wanted 1/5 of what it was before. This guy has me laughing so much because he complains when the chicks show up as their normal selves. He wants to see them dolled up as he does in the club. I am the opposite because I want them to come over looking like their normal selves, no make up and shorts and flip-flops. He realizes that it is the ambiance and party atmosphere that he enjoys and is paying for, and not just the bare bones pussy as I like to pay for it.

CzarNicholas

07-06-20, 18:48

You keep using that phrase, "weak monger. " What's that? Are there "strong mongers" too? Where's the posted criteria for weak and strong mongering?
Maybe you need to up your game and stop crying that the "weak mongers" are going to ruin it for you.A weak monger is one that tries to impress 3rd world hookers, and gives them"respect" like they are their hs sweetheart, hookers are typically the dregs of their societies, proceed accordingly!

I will challenge you, I can get a much better looking hooker with better service than you can with less money than you in any city in the world, so up your game and stop trying to destroy the market.

Like the losers did in Cocal, now you want to destroy MDE.

Here is a repost from 05.09. 20.

My apologies if I offended certain mongers.

I believe there are exceptions to every rule.

If you overpay hookers and you are very old or in a wheelchair or missing a leg or 2.

I don't think you need to overpay but if you do, you qualify for an exemption from my contempt.

I don't think I'm old yet? LOL but most young (not all) hookers I have seen across the planet.

Actually say they love old guys, I'm guessing they don't think they are going to get slapped around if they get out of line?

Or they won't want to pound their pussy silly until 5 am? But if you are not old or disabled, I believe anyone that overpays is contemptible.

You are guilty of willfully trying to damage mongering for the greater good, the higher prices get, the less mongers there will be (I'm pretty sure they know this, and this is partly why they do it).

If you are not old or informed but are physically abhorrent and feel the need to overpay please don't write here and encourage others to do the same.

Too much is too much.

Only ugly guys like to overpay.

Real men never overpay.

Post-script I love the old guys, I plan to join that club soon enough LOL.

JjBee62

07-06-20, 19:09

It is definitely about the memories and having a good time. For a long tine I have been saying the same thing SJobs said in the other thread: Most of the price difference hinges on ambiance.

At this point I have been damn near everywhere and done damn near everything, so I am not excited (or willing to pay more) over ambiance. I have fucked so many chicks from crack hoes to porn stars that at this point it is just pussy to me and I don't have a reason to pay but so much for it. Besides the tons of free chick I fuck anyway.

I am guilty of usually reporting what price you can get a bare bones chick for. This means that you are only getting the chick. You will have to create your own ambiance how you see fit. You may catch this same chick out on a night full of ambiance at 3 or 4 times the price. But that is not my market...This might be one of your best posts.

For me, it's the opposite. Although my numbers are not anywhere close to your numbers, I've fucked all kinds of girls in all kinds of situations. For me, it's all about the ambiance, because if it's just bare bones pussy, I've got 2 hands that don't expect to be paid.

I want something that I'll look back on and smile. I want to remember her name, or at least the tattoo I really liked. I want to be able to recall that high pitched squeak she let out when she orgasmed. I want to remember the claw marks on my back or the red hand prints on her ass.

I want to feel like something more than just ordering from McDonald's and using a coupon was accomplished. Here Is yesterday's example:

As I've reported, I've stumbled onto a nest of non-pros. Although I'm not sure that fits all of them. They almost all have jobs, are almost all University students, speak some English and are from good families. And almost all of them are either friends or family.

One of them is my Holy Grail. She's about as pure and innocent as you'll find in Medellin. She's never had an orgasm during sex and only has had sex a few times, but she's got some great fantasies and somehow I got her hooked on letting me help her with them.

One of the others, best friend of her sister hit me up. She's a Psychology student and a bit on the kinky side. I sent her a sample of the porn I've been writing. She immediately asked for more. So I made a deal. You send me videos, I'll send you stories.

At first the videos were sexy dancing, nothing more. She got to working in a few playful spanks with a belt. Nothing serious. Then I told her she needed to step it up, show me more. She said she couldn't do that and said maybe she would wear a see-thru shirt with no bra. Wrote her another chapter and got the nipples out, but the next round everything was covered. Said she couldn't bring herself to do anymore.

I wrote her an essay that tied in with the story I've been writing for her (and 5 other girls). The goal was to convince her to let loose of her inhibitions. She thought about it for a day and said she would try.

Yesterday she sent 20 minutes worth of video which ended with a vibrator in her pussy and an orgasm.

I could have bought slicker video from a better looking girl. I've done it. The amount of work and time I spent writing was worth more than the cost of videos. But I feel like I accomplished something. Now she's thinking about sneaking away from her boyfriend to come see me when I'm in town.

Each of us has our own motivations and price points. We all have different preferences. I see some pics on here that the guy raves about. And I think "you can get a better plastic toy with a Happy Meal. " I see other pics and can't believe my eyes.

I'm with you on the make-up. A little is okay, but if she needs a sandblaster to remove it, no thanks.

Lou32

07-06-20, 20:02

I've purchased blood pressure meds OTC. Have you tried to buy Hydroxychloroquine OTC?

Nounce

07-06-20, 21:14

I understand that completely. I don't try to convince anyone they need to change their way. More of the opposite. I've taken a few different guys to cruise El Centro, or to visit the strip clubs. I've also pointed a few guys towards Facebook and other sources.

I can view it from his perspective and I accept that El Centro IS paradise to him. I think that is fabulous. However, is it unrealistic to expect everyone else get the same consideration? Is it wrong to suggest guys staying at the Mansion are allowed to believe it's paradise? Or the guys dropping $500 a night in Lleras? Or the guy who takes a girl to San Andres, or Cancun, or Paris? While you and I might think it's crazy to spend that kind of money, if they go home with happy memories, that's all that matters.It is not but it is unwise to keep going in the virtual world when you already said you understand. I love El Centro for various reasons but I also go to other places. I went to La Isla often because of the convenience and ambiance. I tried to drag PN to go with me once and it would be my treat but he would not go.

Nounce

07-06-20, 21:20

One of them is my Holy Grail. She's about as pure and innocent as you'll find in Medellin. She's never had an orgasm during sex and only has had sex a few times, but she's got some great fantasies and somehow I got her hooked on letting me help her with them.I always think most of them don't have too much sex. They have sex young, but they don't have sex if they don't have boy friends. Some ask me to help with homework, LOL.

SJobs

07-06-20, 21:49

IamLookin

07-07-20, 03:59

I can only assume you are a Trump disciple

I've purchased blood pressure meds OTC. Have you tried to buy Hydroxychloroquine OTC?.

JjBee62

07-07-20, 04:18

A weak monger is one that tries to impress 3rd world hookers, and gives them"respect" like they are their hs sweetheart, hookers are typically the dregs of their societies, proceed accordingly!

I will challenge you, I can get a much better looking hooker with better service than you can with less money than you in any city in the world, so up your game and stop trying to destroy the market.

Like the losers did in Cocal, now you want to destroy MDE.

Here is a repost from 05.09. 20.

My apologies if I offended certain mongers.

I believe there are exceptions to every rule.

If you overpay hookers and you are very old or in a wheelchair or missing a leg or 2..Sorry, never been to Cocal. Keep trying. I already told you where to find me. You're welcome to come and follow up on your threats.

I understand. It's your opinion. It's the same opinion held by millions of men around the world. Not that the label "men" is appropriate. You know the type. They don't know how to handle a woman except to "slap her around. " They get upset if some guy actually talks to "their" woman, so they go and "slap her around" some more. They bluster and make threats, but in the end, all they can do is go find a woman and "slap her around."

My ex's sister, a LCSW dealing with domestic violence, said that most men like that turn out to have been sexually abused by a male authority figure at a young age. So, it's kind of sad. Not forgiveable, but sad.

I've never had a problem with women "getting out of line", especially not one I'm paying. Generally speaking, I don't even overpay. I average right at the going rate, for the pool I pick from. A few times I've tossed in a bonus. Why not? A girl comes over for 1 hour and stays for 6 hours, does everything I expect and more. Why not? I'm getting 3 sessions worth for the price of 1. I end up paying less, getting more and the next time she's working harder and staying longer.

The problem with you emotionally stunted boys that need to "slap around" women, none of you understand basic math, or have any reading comprehension skills.

Let's deal with the reading problem first. I've never said that I overpay. I simply have said, many times, whatever anyone else pays is their business. No mongering destination exists solely for your amusement. If the price gets too high for you, move on. If the girls get tired of being "slapped around" by you, move on.

Now let's try some math.

There are roughly 4 million people in the Medellin metro area. Probably more when you add in the Venezuelans and the girls coming from other cities. Figure maybe 300,000 Colombian men who at least occasionally go out and pay for pussy. How many mongers? The big monger parties I've been to pull in about 100 gringos if they're lucky. Maybe at most 2,000 foreign mongers at any one time. You can discount most of the ex-pats. The ones I know tend to stick with the going rate or below and can usually find plenty of free pussy.

Let's go nuts and say half over pay. That's 1,000 people overcoming the 300,000 natives who are paying less than the mongers paying gringo rates and overcoming the 1,000 mongers paying the gringo rates.

To destroy the market, the average overpaying gringo needs to pay 300 times what the average Colombian pays. Using casa rates of 50 k per 30 minutes, that comes to 15 million COP for a 30 minute session. 45 million for a typical Facebook girl.

Now if 50 gringos at the same time, started paying 5 million for girls in Parque Lleras, you'd quickly see a flood of girls hanging out in front of the Beer Factory. But after a few nights of the cops dispersing them and going home with nothing, they'll all return to their regular routine.

Unless you're in a environment limited to gringos, a small percentage overpaying has no effect. 5 guys staying at the Mansion could cause a few problems for the other guys for a few days, if they're paying 500 k each time. But 2 weeks later, after the guys switch to casas and strip clubs, the price settles back.

I'm not particularly ugly, although at least one monger has called me that. I usually get "tan guapo" from the women, including the ones that I'm not paying. I'm not physically deformed, although that's also been suggested (by the same monger), not in a wheelchair, missing limbs, have a disfiguring disease, a nasty skin condition or dirty fingernails. I'm not going bald in an unfortunate manner. Not going bald at all yet. Not even the beginning of a thin spot. Really, it's a fucking glorious head of hair, worthy of a shampoo commercial.

You may believe it's contemptible for some other guy to pay more than you think they should. I think it's contemptible to slap a woman around.

Nounce

07-07-20, 07:49

(I was dating a chick in the Dominican Republic that showed me all kinds of pictures of her daughters. They were drop dead! Well when I was over to the house and met them, they were just some plain old seemingly shy chicks. I asked my girl about it. She said the pictures were the fixed up going out them..A chick I know usually doesn't wear makeup. Yesterday I saw her profile picture changed to one with light makeup. I went WOW. It's amazing how much a little makeup can do sometimes.

Errol Flynn

07-07-20, 08:23

I've purchased blood pressure meds OTC. Have you tried to buy Hydroxychloroquine OTC?You do know that Hydroxychloroquine is an incredibly dangerous drug -- with side effects that can cause stroke and blindness-- right? I don't know whether you could find a pharmacy in Colombia that might sell it to you without a prescription. But there is no way you should be taking it except under a doctor's supervision.

Please stick to Viagra, not without risk of course -- they say you should call your doctor if you have an erection lasting longer than four hours, but I recommend calling an 18 year old Paisa instead.

Elvis 2008

07-07-20, 15:01

I can only assume you are a Trump disciple
.One of the reasons nobody believed Covid was real was that it devolved into the typical partisan war. In fact, one writer called it the Trump virus. So this virus, which came from China and whom Biden thinks is not a threat BTW, was divided into people who care about it and people who do not.

Covid is VERY fucking real, and HCQ was studied for Corona Viruses treatment and found to be an effective treatment for said viruses way before Trump got into office. Now of course, HCQ, which is a cheap drug, is the most dangerous drug on the planet. In reality, it has been so safe that it has been around for 70 years and used for prophyaxis for Malaria and to prevent exacerbations of people having Lupus.

I made fun of someone who blamed Trump for his not being able to get laid in Colombia. Now TDS has reached that point again, having sex with hooker one time in Colombia, a literal one in a million chance of getting Covid, is near certain death as is using an incredibly safe drug.

The real reason Texas has been the epicenter of the Covid storm recently is that the governor allowed people to gather in mass numbers again, up to 500. Politically, he didn't want to tell people they couldn't go to church and even if they did, said that they did not need to wear masks. This was a huge fuckup. He was upset he let the bars reopen, but it wasn't just the bars, it was the churches where people spew the virus by singing.

The problem with HCQ and with dexamethasone with long term use is that they suppress the immune system. So in theory, by suppressing the immune system, you make yourself more vulnerable to infections. That is what Lupus is, the body attacking its own soft tissues with antibodies.

So it is a little bit more complicated than good drug, bad drug. In fact, you want to use immune boosters like Elderberry prior to getting infected. When you start to feel sick and Covid is diagnosed, then you chuck the Elderberry and especially ibuprofen and go with HCQ and dexamethasone. Since the virus spreads via ACE receptors in the lungs, it is probably a good idea to get off ACE and ARB blood pressure medications as long as Covid is around. Also, you normally want to push fluids with an illness, but doctors have found it better to keep people dry which probably has to do with keeping aldosterone levels low.

And if you do not understand any of this, then by all means, quit giving out political advice that is disguised as medical advice. Politics is what got us into this mess to begin with.

If I had my way, we would be doing all we could to shift the infection from the very old where it is deadly to the very young who rarely if every die. The isolation should be isolating the young from the old not from everyone. That would achieve herd immunity and a minimal amount of death. Now though politically that is not achievable, (you are for infecting the Children!!!) and the total count of those infected is being used against various governments around the world. It never made sense to shut down the schools.

So the treatment for Covid, complete destruction of the economy, has been worse than the cure because of the politics and probably will result in more deaths than the virus ever did.

I think Sweden was the model of common sense. If you look at the number of deaths overall and due to Corona, you can see the response to Corona was worse than the Corona itself.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105753/cumulative-coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden/

So now a corona death is a 100X worse politically than a death from cancer or heart disease and in Colombia, they have painted themselves into a corner. If they open things up now, Corona cases explode and the president will be vilified, so his only response is delay, delay, delay at least until after November. Then you will start to see stories about how the Corona threat was way overblown in terms of death and way under weighted in terms of going into massive debt and destroying the economy.

Lou32

07-07-20, 15:47

I can only assume you are a Trump disciple

.I'm not looking to get into yet another pointless, vapid, silly, childish political discussion that serves no purpose.

I'm only wondering if Hydroxychloroquine is available over the counter in Medellin. Thanks.

Lou32

07-07-20, 15:50

You do know that Hydroxychloroquine is an incredibly dangerous drug -- with side effects that can cause stroke and blindness-- right? I don't know whether you could find a pharmacy in Colombia that might sell it to you without a prescription. But there is no way you should be taking it except under a doctor's supervision.

Please stick to Viagra, not without risk of course -- they say you should call your doctor if you have an erection lasting longer than four hours, but I recommend calling an 18 year old Paisa instead.I wasn't asking for advice about the efficacy of the drug. I merely wished to know if Hydroxychloroquine is available over the counter in Medellin. Thanks.

JjBee62

07-07-20, 18:43

A chick I know usually doesn't wear makeup. Yesterday I saw her profile picture changed to one with light makeup. I went WOW. It's amazing how much a little makeup can do sometimes.There are some women that are completely transformed by makeup. I know a couple of professional make-up artists in Colombia and often the before and after look like 2 different people.

I prefer the ones who can spend 45 seconds in front of the mirror and look perfect.

Just Incognito

07-07-20, 20:01

I'm not looking to get into yet another pointless, vapid, silly, childish political discussion that serves no purpose.

I'm only wondering if Hydroxychloroquine is available over the counter in Medellin. Thanks.Why? Do you have lupus? Are you trying to deny someone with lupus who actually needs the medicine the right to have their treatment by buying it up?

Stirling

07-08-20, 04:07

One of the reasons nobody believed Covid was real was that it devolved into the typical partisan war. In fact, one writer called it the Trump virus. So this virus, which came from China and whom Biden thinks is not a threat BTW, was divided into people who care about it and people who do not.

Covid is VERY fucking real, and HCQ was studied for Corona Viruses treatment and found to be an effective treatment for said viruses way before Trump got into office. Now of course, HCQ, which is a cheap drug, is the most dangerous drug on the planet. In reality, it has been so safe that it has been around for 70 years and used for prophyaxis for Malaria and to prevent exacerbations of people having Lupus.
HCQ has not been shown to be an effective treatment for COVID-19. ONE study out of France suggested it has efficacy and it's more or less been debunked by a plethora of truly randomized placebo controlled trials. The French trial was observational and did not have appropriate controls. With respect to it's safety, it can be a damn dangerous drug. Just because an agent has been around for 70 years and has been shown to be effective at treating certain conditions does not equate to safety. It's a risk benefit ratio where the risks are worth taking if the drug benefits the patient. Taking a drug with no proven efficacy one assumes all the risk with no potential benefit. I'm an infectious disease doc (25 years) and I can't even remember the last time I considered prescribing HCQ.

Stirling.

VsebudetNY

07-08-20, 04:29

It's amazing how much a little makeup can do sometimes.Very true! Check this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXbVG0cDqBE

Elvis 2008

07-08-20, 05:40

HCQ has not been shown to be an effective treatment for COVID-19. ONE study out of France suggested it has efficacy and it's more or less been debunked by a plethora of truly randomized placebo controlled trials. The French trial was observational and did not have appropriate controls. It's a risk benefit ratio where the risks are worth taking if the drug benefits the patient. Taking a drug with no proven efficacy one assumes all the risk with no potential benefit. I'm an infectious disease doc (25 years) and I can't even remember the last time I considered prescribing HCQ.

Stirling.Wow, doc Stirling, with all you Dems on here, what is next? Dr. Fauci going to post here?

This is what was published in 2003. The article was entitled Effects of chloroquine on viral infections: an old drug against today's diseases: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(03)00806-5/fulltext

Chloroquine / hydroxychloroquie has a well-studied toxicity profile. The half-century-long use of this drug in the therapy of malaria demonstrates the safety of acute administration of chloroquine to human beings. The use of chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine in rheumatic diseases and for antimalarial prophylaxis showed a low incidence of adverse events during chronic administration of this drug for periods of up to a few years. In these cases, the most serious toxic effect is a macular retinopathy, which depends on the cumulative dose rather than on the daily dose, and permanent damage may be prevented with regular visual monitoring during treatment. 27,28, 29 A recent study30 provided encouraging results on the safety of a high dosage of the drug (up to 500 MG of chloroquine base per day) even during pregnancy.

We conclude that chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine administration presents limited and well-preventable toxicity and may thus result in a low risk / benefit balance at least when it is used in life-threatening conditions.

It is funny even though dexamethasone has a pretty bad side effect profile and a similar mechanism of action, no one mentions side effects but with HCQ, you are going to go blind and have a stroke, and it doesn't work. What is your theory on why the side effect profile of the drug changed?

Because here is my theory: a bunch of Democratic pseudointellectual hacks are afraid that it might work.

The shame of it all is the same political bullshit is happening in Colombia. The mayor of Bogota and Colombian president are competing to see who can be a bigger hard ass on Covid.

John Clayton

07-08-20, 07:04

...Because here is my theory: a bunch of Democratic pseudointellectual hacks are afraid that it might work... Wtf is it with the right wingers and hydrocholoroquine? Here's my other theory: You don't know what hydroxychloroquine is.

KilledSoul

07-08-20, 09:04

Wtf is it with the right wingers and hydrocholoroquine? Here's my other theory: You don't know what hydroxychloroquine is."What we found is that of those patients treated with hydroxychloroquine there was a 13% overall mortality; in the patients that were not treated with hydroxychloroquine there was a 26% mortality," said Dr. Steven Kalkanis, CEO of Henry Ford Medical Group.

SOURCE:

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/henry-ford-says-their-study-found-hydroxychloroquine-helps-lower-covid-19-death-rate

JjBee62

07-08-20, 11:41

"What we found is that of those patients treated with hydroxychloroquine there was a 13% overall mortality; in the patients that were not treated with hydroxychloroquine there was a 26% mortality," said Dr. Steven Kalkanis, CEO of Henry Ford Medical Group.

SOURCE:

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/henry-ford-says-their-study-found-hydroxychloroquine-helps-lower-covid-19-death-rateIt's probably going to be ignored that it should only be used in a hospital setting and at the proper time during treatment. There's nothing there suggesting it should be used to prevent infection, or outside of a hospital.

JjBee62

07-08-20, 11:53

Wtf is it with the right wingers and hydrocholoroquine? Here's my other theory: You don't know what hydroxychloroquine is.There is a certain portion of the right wing which believes Trump is the world's foremost expert on anything Trump claims to be the world's foremost expert on (except he says " I probably know more about blank than anyone" he does this roughly once every 10 days.

If he said sticking a live tarantula up your ass daily was the best cure for erectile dysfunction, a week later we'd need a "Finding tarantulas in Colombia" thread. There would be arguments over whether it's better to insert the tarantula in the morning, or 30 minutes before sex. Debate would rage over Colombian vs Mexican tarantulas, or even US tarantulas. And someone would link the news story about the guy who substituted black widows.

Puntz79

07-08-20, 14:06

Wow, doc Stirling, with all you Dems on here, what is next? Dr. Fauci going to post here?

This is what was published in 2003. The article was entitled Effects of chloroquine on viral infections: an old drug against today's diseases: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(03)00806-5/fulltext

Chloroquine / hydroxychloroquie has a well-studied toxicity profile. The half-century-long use of this drug in the therapy of malaria demonstrates the safety of acute administration of chloroquine to human beings. The use of chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine in rheumatic diseases and for antimalarial prophylaxis showed a low incidence of adverse events during chronic administration of this drug for periods of up to a few years. In these cases, the most serious toxic effect is a macular retinopathy, which depends on the cumulative dose rather than on the daily dose, and permanent damage may be prevented with regular visual monitoring during treatment. 27,28, 29 A recent study30 provided encouraging results on the safety of a high dosage of the drug (up to 500 MG of chloroquine base per day) even during pregnancy.

We conclude that chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine administration presents limited and well-preventable toxicity and may thus result in a low risk / benefit balance at least when it is used in life-threatening conditions.

It is funny even though dexamethasone has a pretty bad side effect profile and a similar mechanism of action, no one mentions side effects but with HCQ, you are going to go blind and have a stroke, and it doesn't work. What is your theory on why the side effect profile of the drug changed?

Because here is my theory: a bunch of Democratic pseudointellectual hacks are afraid that it might work.

The shame of it all is the same political bullshit is happening in Colombia. The mayor of Bogota and Colombian president are competing to see who can be a bigger hard ass on Covid.Dems are very afraid that it will work, because when you have an effective treatment available. More or less they see it as a threat to their immense desire to prolong the situation. To move down the goalposts every couple weeks. Because every time progress is made or good news breaks, it's just amazing timing that mainstream media will talk about surges, ignore what counts a case, faulty data, faulty testing (a very real issue), criticize any treatment that is reported to be working in many parts and is backed up by many doctors. To be blunt, this is sadly a very political issue now and it has been for at least. Since April / May. Now it's just keeping everything closed, using it as justification to allow mail-in voting and we know how that works.

Any good news being reported? It will last a few hours or be largely ignored, and then protests! Or a shooting, or {insert distraction here} you name it! And a lot of people are recognizing this now, still not quite enough. But a lot. And it's incredibly sad that the liberals are showing their true colors and intentions. Covid is real, the pandemic is not. You look at reality and try and reconcile it with the things that are being said on the news, and more and more people are starting to see something isn't right here. And that's because there isn't. I know 4 people that have tested positive, 2 had a slight fever, cough, and feeling tired. So typical flu symptoms. 2 were asymptomatic and shocked when they tested positive, have felt 100% healthy and only had to take the test to be able to return to work.

The strategy these days for the left since March. Put out a death estimate, wait 2-3 weeks. Add xx,000 to the previous number, add 1-2 months and repeat. In March it was 100,000 deaths by May, then 120,000 by June, then 150,000 by August, and now the most recent one yesterday was 208,000 by November. At some point you just have to wonder, do they think we haven't figured it out, or won't be able to? People are tired of the negativity and want to get back to normal, not the "new normal" the old normal that can be improved upon when it comes to health. And Dr. Fauci has been wrong every single time since March, even he looks like he wants to just move forward because he doesn't like to be wrong.

Orgasmico

07-08-20, 14:34

How about more of this and you guys take the political and medical BS to the Chit Chat thread LOL.

https://flyheight.com/videos/jmyt5o/

Steve 9696

07-08-20, 14:38

How about more of this and you guys take the political and medical BS to the Chit Chat thread LOL.

https://flyheight.com/videos/jmyt5o/+1.

Medellin seems to be the only last vestige of guys having sex with girls on ISG and I come here to live vicariously during the draught. More fucking and less of the rest. I beg you! 🙏.

Elvis 2008

07-08-20, 15:13

Wtf is it with the right wingers and hydrocholoroquine? Here's my other theory: You don't know what hydroxychloroquine is.Jesus, that post is the definition of TDS.

Black Page

07-08-20, 16:02

In March it was 100,000 deaths by May, then 120,000 by June, then 150,000 by August, and now the most recent one yesterday was 208,000 by November.As of today, July 8, it is 134,027 deaths in USA (including those who take chloroquine or bleach) and 547,632 in the world.

3 M detected cases in USA over a population of 328 M is less than 1%, so there is still a big improvement margin available for Dem plots and fake news.

Elvis 2008

07-08-20, 16:20

How about more of this and you guys take the political and medical BS to the Chit Chat thread LOL.

https://flyheight.com/videos/jmyt5o/Orgasmico, the politics is what is getting in the way of the fucking, and it is frustrating to me. Here you have a virus that is not more deadly than the flu and because of the November election, it has been made into to the second coming of 1918.

When I read about people saying you know you are going to go blind and stroke out with HCQ, it grinds me gears.

In all honesty, you are probably going to run into it. I have had two women (one American, one Colombian) tell me that they have fever and body aches, and they asked me what was wrong. I said they should get tested for everything but they probably have Covid. The American got tested and was negative, but I told her there was a high false negative rate. Both were completely freaked out, but both got over it in 3 days. The American said it was like Strep throat: fever, body aches, and then better. She was pissed that what she had was elevated into a death sentence, and she said, "Man, this is such bullshit. I cannot wait to vote for Trump. ".

By the way, I am actually with two Colombians right now in Mexico, and Covid ruined this trip. Neither of these two was my first choice. My first choice was thrilled to come and then had a panic attack about Covid prior to getting on the airplane from Mexico City. The reason I invited these two is that I hoped one would show up, but they both did. Everything was great the first day. We were having fun and then one gets a phone call and learns her family has been hit by Covid. She feels guilty about having a good time and has to go back to CDMX to meet with a lawyer and find a way to get home to her family RIGHT NOW. She thinks her 50 year old mother is as good as dead. Gee, I wonder why she would think that? She is inconsolable. Her mother is going to die.

So one says she has to leave. Then the other says "Well, I have to leave too then. " I tell them fine but you are getting half of what we agreed on. They are beside themselves, but I hold firm. This is how bad things are: hookers want Covid severance pay.

So I am sorry dude, but this is what the world has come to. I saw the same thing happen with AIDS. A bunch of gays got into government and realized that the only way they could get AIDS funding was to scare the shit out of straight people and man did it work. Even today, some people think that having straight sex without a condom means you are going to get AIDS and die.

The bigger girl in the picture is a boxer. She has zero body fat and is a helluva roll in the hay. The skinnier one was not as good but was decent company. But now thanks to Covid hysteria, I can't have decent sex with a Colombian in Mexico.

Knowledge

07-08-20, 16:42

Yeah, me too, I come here to take a break from the girls. It's not fun to sort through all the political neuroses. There are more than enough places on the Internet for guys to get that out of their systems. It's boring, especially the clumsy ploys to steer any and every conversation to the beliefs that make them comfortable. Please take it someplace else.

+1.

Medellin seems to be the only last vestige of guys having sex with girls on ISG and I come here to live vicariously during the draught. More fucking and less of the rest. I beg you! 🙏.

JjBee62

07-08-20, 19:14

Orgasmico, the politics is what is getting in the way of the fucking, and it is frustrating to me. Here you have a virus that is not more deadly than the flu and because of the November election, it has been made into to the second coming of 1918.

When I read about people saying you know you are going to go blind and stroke out with HCQ, it grinds me gears.

In all honesty, you are probably going to run into it. I have had two women (one American, one Colombian) tell me that they have fever and body aches, and they asked me what was wrong. I said they should get tested for everything but they probably have Covid. The American got tested and was negative, but I told her there was a high false negative rate. Both were completely freaked out, but both got over it in 3 days. The American said it was like Strep throat: fever, body aches, and then better. She was pissed that what she had was elevated into a death sentence, and she said, "Man, this is such bullshit. I cannot wait to vote for Trump. "..I'm not saying she's fat, but apparently we can add "body fat" to the list of things you have zero understanding of. I can see a reasonable amount of body fat in that picture.

Let's start with AIDS, since you've been incredibly stupid about that many times now.

Back in 1984 AIDS was becoming a hot topic. I remember guys asking if it was possible to get it from a mosquito which had bitten an infected person. I saw a lot of hysteria, the same as from the Legionnaire's disease outbreak from a few years earlier.

Early in 1988 I met my wife. Once we were dating she took me to the place where she volunteered. She was an artist and volunteered at an Art Therapy group for people with life threatening illnesses. It was called "AIDS, Art, Alive" and was started by a woman named Barbara Peabody. Her book "The Screaming Room" is an excellent introduction to what it was like to be the mother of one of the first AIDS patients. As you may have figured out, almost everyone in the group was a gay man with AIDS.

From 1988 to 1992 I volunteered along with her. I met most of the guys, heard their stories and watched them fade away and die. I watched the ones who came in having just been diagnosed as HIV positive and ones who came in just a few weeks away from being bedridden. Except for one guy, who had become infected through a blood transfusion, before they started screening for HIV, they had all been promiscuous, lots of partners, no condoms. And one by one they died.

You see, at that time HIV infection was a death sentence. Out of the 150-200 guys who came into the group, to try to cope with the emotional crap that goes along with knowing you're going to die and it's not going to be pretty, not a single one recovered.

However, by 1988 the gay community was taking responsibility to protect themselves. They were hitting the gay bars and bathhouses, handing out condoms, handing out literature and educating people on exactly what the risks were. And that information spread to the straight community as well. Condoms became mainstream. Instead of a taboo subject, condoms became dinner table conversation. And the number of cases began to fall. If not for IV drug users sharing needles, it would have almost disappeared in the US by now.

I remember John. Great guy and incredible artist. He was probably about 50. He only had 3 things on his bucket list. He wanted to reconcile with his mother who had not spoken to him since he came out as gay. He wanted to take a champagne balloon flight. He wanted to host a gazebo art show in his backyard for his friends and family. I remember talking to his mother who broke down crying several times. She would stand before one of his paintings and talk about how much she had missed. I remember John describing the view floating over Del Mar with his dearest friend. I remember the funeral was 3 weeks later.

Then there was David, mid 20's, a mousy little guy who had been a student of a Native American who was preserving his tribe's traditional pottery techniques. He was shy and quiet, but would talk once he got comfortable with you. I remember the day my wife said "I don't know how you will take this, but David told me he thinks you're handsome. I told her I was happy when anyone said I was handsome. I remember the day we learned he was gone.

I also remember the day when (I wasn't there that day) they voted and chose me to come and do live modeling for the group. In case you're wondering, I respectfully declined the request.

Yet it was all a hoax. Getting a few bumps on your dick because you're sensitive to latex is 1,000 times worse than the scores of barely breathing skeletons I personally said goodbye to.

Now let's address the "No worse than the flu" bullshit you keep spewing. BTW, I took your "no worse than the flu" bet a long time ago. Remember? 80,000. That was the number of deaths you took the under on. Remember? $1,000. That's what I offered. You seem to be a slow payer. Or more of a guy who spends his life running away from facts in search of a new conspiracy theory.

No worse than the flu.

The CDC does not track the number of flu deaths. They estimate the number of flu deaths based on the number of flu and pneumonia cases. Cases, not deaths. And they include pneumonia, not just flu, but the estimate is for flu. Every year there are several estimates for the number of deaths, yet never an actual death count, even though they collect the data on the ILI database (Influenza Like Illness).

So to find out how many people really die from the flu, you have to go to every state and find the actual number of deaths. The only number I can recall at the moment is for Indiana, which recorded 131 flu deaths for the most recent season. I don't know what the final CDC estimate is for the same period, but if you break it down per capita, 131 is pretty low for a disease that's just as bad as COVID-19. Fuck. One little town of about 1300 people had 18 COVID-19 deaths. In the 50+ years I've been around that town I don't remember a single flu death. I've asked several people, and nobody else can either.

Just to make certain we're clear: That's 131 times a licensed medical doctor signed a legal document which stated cause of death as influenza. I don't know the current tally, but it's more than 2,650. That's 2,650 times a licensed medical doctor signed a legal document which stated cause of death as COVID-19.

I'm fairly decent with math. For diseases which are basically identical in severity, according to you, these numbers don't seem to be close. Must be a conspiracy, in a deep red state. That's it. When the facts don't match your fantasy, roll out the fucking conspiracies.

Of course those inconvenient numbers only tell part of the story.

We don't close every single school, every single year for the flu season. We don't cancel every large public event. We don't close every mall, every theater, almost every church, all bars, most restaurants, places of employment for millions of people. We don't wear masks and put up plexiglass shields and spray everything with disinfectant. We don't put marks on the ground 6 feet apart and control the number of people allowed in the store, or pay employees to sanitize shopping carts. We don't do any of those things for the flu and we still only had 131 flu deaths; slightly more than the number of murders for Indianapolis.

Yet, even though we did all those things, 2650+ COVID-19 deaths, in half the time. Yet it's "no worse than the flu. "

I understand where you're coming from. I used to drink heavily, so I can relate to your thought process. This is all very inconvenient to you. You can't go everywhere you want to go. You can't do everything you want to do. Your financial situation is possibly threatened. Your reaction is exactly the same as the drunk at the bar who has just been cut off. The problem isn't real. It's just a conspiracy. Deny, bluster, cry, throw a tantrum and then stagger off to find someone who will agree with you.

Eventually you'll either have to go crawl under a rock or come face to face with your bullshit. 10 weeks ago COVID-19 wasn't even as bad as the average flu season. A week later it was just as bad as the average flu season. Then it was no worse than a bad flu season, not as bad as the worst flu season, no worse than the worst flu season and now, nowhere near as bad as the worst pandemic in the history of this country.

You've gone from saying we needed social distancing to saying social distancing did no good, and now back to blaming the surge on relaxing social distancing rules.

And you spew out crap in order to make tenuous connections, anything to support your lunacy. Like the old study on the effectiveness of HCQ on viral infections. Halle-fucking-lujah. We're all saved! Apparently, every single fucking virus can be cured with HCQ. HIV? HCQ. HPV? HCQ. HSV? HCQ. Got genital warts? HCQ. Norovirus, rotavirus, adenovirus, measles, rubella, shingles, smallpox, chikungunya plus all the strains of Hepatitis. HCQ.

All along the only fucking thing we needed was to dose everyone with HCQ, 500 MG daily and we'd all be immortal. Forget the X-Men, the Avengers the Guardians of the Galaxy. We would all be part of the HCQ League. Fighting crime and fucking hookers.

Just one last question. If you're right now with 2 Colombianas in Mexico and both had to leave and you can't even have decent sex with Colombians, is this a Schroedinger scenario? Are the women both there having sex with you and not there having sex with you until someone opens the box?

JjBee62

07-08-20, 20:22

My data connection in Canada sucks today, so I haven't been able to retrieve much flu data. However, for the first half of the flu season, California had only recorded 70 flu deaths. That number surged in January and February. However, we now know that coronavirus was there at that time. The surge was likely due to COVID-19 deaths being attributed to ILI (Influenza Like Illness) due to no testing and no expectation of coronavirus.

Even with the possible misassignment of cause of death, Coronavirus deaths greatly outnumber flu deaths.

LoveItHere69

07-09-20, 00:07

World Health Organization (WHO) states that close to 800,000 people die due to suicide every year. There are indications that for each adult who died by suicide there may have been more than 20 others attempting suicide. The depression from lost jobs / businesses, retirement accounts, divorce, broken families caused by the Corona Virus will likely cause this number to be 3 times higher. So, 800,000 X 3 = 2,400,000 800,000 (yearly normally occurring) = 1,600,000 suicide deaths attributed indirectly to the Corona virus.

https://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suicideprevent/en/

United Nations study states that the number of hungry people in the world in 2017:821 million or 1 in every 9 people. Other sources state that around 9 million people die of hunger and hunger-related diseases every year. That number will more than triple this year. So 9,000,000 X 3 = 27,000,000 9,000,000 (yearly normally occurring) = 18,000,000. Keep in mind that this year Africa is having a severe locust problem so could be even higher! Virus death takes weeks to die compared to hunger-related of months to years. How do you want to die?

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/11-09-2018-global-hunger-continues-to-rise---new-un-report-says

https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/people-and-poverty/hunger-and-obesity/how-many-people-die-from-hunger-each-year

https://www.mercycorps.org/blog/quick-facts-global-hunger

Deaths indirectly caused from the Corona virus in suicides 1. 6 million plus hunger-related 18 million = 19.6 million.

Domestic violence is going way up. The largest reason for divorce is not cheating but money issues. Divorces the next 2 years will skyrocket. Families will fall apart. Tens of millions of children will grow up scared of everything because they grew up in a time that germs are everywhere and everything you touch could kill you.

It appears most the people dying are older and people with other problems (high blood pressure, diabetes). You hear, "But my 12 year old boy was perfectly healthy! No your 230 pound kid was not healthy. He was obese!

You walk down the street, fall, skin your knee. Very superficial. Then swim in dirty water and get infected. The abrasion does not need to be deep. I swear 40% of the people I know smoke cigarettes, pot, or vaping. Your lungs are delicate. That is like falling down and get a small abrasion on your lung so it is easier to get an infection. Again, "But my 17 year old boy was perfectly healthy! No your 17 smoked pot 5 times a week after school and that kid is not going to admit that to his parents or doctor.

People screaming for a vaccine. We have that for the flu and still 1. 2 million die of the flu each year so do not hold your breath for that.

People screaming about we need to save everyone and that everyone's life is important. Sorry different lives have different values. The world does not have endless resources whether it be food, water, medicine, money,. There is a homeless person and a doctor drowning and you can only save one. Which one you saving? Next a 10 year old boy or a 60 year old man? Next two 19 year olds with one who is 300 pound and the other is a hottie? Different values huh?

There are 7.5 billion people on the planet.

If 1 million people die of the virus that means your chance of dying is. 013% and living is 99.98%.

If 10 million people die of the virus that means your chance of dying is. 133% and living is 99.86%.

I would rather takes those odds rather than lose my business, family (divorce), house, etc. I would rather die than be homeless.

The Government Accounting Office (GAO) estimated that the 2008 financial crises cost the USA Economy $22 trillion dollars. That is easily $30 trillion dollars worldwide which mostly just affected Europe, Singapore, and Hong Kong who all traded the bad stocks, funds, bonds, etc. The virus will triple this loss worldwide to $90 trillion because every country is effected and every single person will be effected in one form or another.

Value of each person's life or death.

$90 trillion divided by 1 million dead people = $90 million.

$90 trillion divided by 10 million dead people = $9 million.

https://www.huffpostbrasil.com/entry/financial-crisis-cost-gao_n_2687553

Sorry but shutting down the worlds economy will be studied years from now and will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in history.

Elvis 2008

07-09-20, 02:44

Now let's address the "No worse than the flu" bullshit you keep spewing. BTW, I took your "no worse than the flu" bet a long time ago. Remember? 80,000. That was the number of deaths you took the under on. Remember? $1,000. That's what I offered. You seem to be a slow payer. Or more of a guy who spends his life running away from facts in search of a new conspiracy theory.No, I didn't bet you. You made it up. Just like you made up the flu numbers and just like you made up the thousands of people you know died with AIDS. You going to pay $10,000 for your horrific economic predictions? Because that bet was just as real as the one you made up. You got one in 10 predictions right and you still won't shut up about it. You are so pathetic!!

With Covid, to a dipshit like you, Sweden did it all wrong, but you look at Peru and Covid, and it is way worse there that it ever was or is in Sweden, and Peru was in total lockdown. So the take home is everyone has a lot of opinions and no one really knows what they are doing. Except for you. You have all the answers, a legend in your own mind.

The only number I can recall at the moment is for Indiana, which recorded 131 flu deaths for the most recent season. I don't know what the final CDC estimate is for the same period.I can recall 500,000 deaths which would make the flu worse than Covid. You see I could pull shit out of my ass and dispute you. You are not the only who can mentally masturbate.

Just one last question. If you're right now with 2 Colombianas in Mexico and both had to leave and you can't even have decent sex with Colombians, is this a Schroedinger scenario? Are the women both there having sex with you and not there having sex with you until someone opens the box?

If I am with them? Go fuck yourself. Are you getting laid right now, asshole? Making fun of my sex life when you don't have one? That is the definition of a pathetic loser.

JjBee62

07-09-20, 09:08

No, I didn't bet you. You made it up. Just like you made up the flu numbers and just like you made up the thousands of people you know died with AIDS. You going to pay $10,000 for your horrific economic predictions? Because that bet was just as real as the one you made up. You got one in 10 predictions right and you still won't shut up about it. You are so pathetic!!

With Covid, to a dipshit like you, Sweden did it all wrong, but you look at Peru and Covid, and it is way worse there that it ever was or is in Sweden, and Peru was in total lockdown. So the take home is everyone has a lot of opinions and no one really knows what they are doing. Except for you. You have all the answers, a legend in your own mind.

I can recall 500,000 deaths which would make the flu worse than Covid. You see I could pull shit out of my ass and dispute you. You are not the only who can mentally masturbate..You are so predictable.

Sorry, I'm quoting from memory here, since Mojo deleted all the messages in the other thread. "80,000 people died from the flu. I'll take the under on 80,000 any time. " A few days later I posted I would take the over for $1,000. Several times I posted that would take the over for $1,000. Naturally you never responded, because it would have forced you to venture into reality. It's okay. I knew you would never stick with anything you said. Look at how many times you've danced away from your pronouncements on COVID-19.

For the record, since you're another one who can't handle basic math, 6. Those were my predictions. 6. Not 10.6. Only 6. And only 2 of them mattered. And the 2 that mattered were correct, within a reasonable margin of error.

Now. For the made-up flu numbers. I already posted links to 2 of them. Let's post links to a few now. Meanwhile, better take your HCQ. Looks like a cold sore is about to pop up. I'll see if I can find numbers and links for the states I've lived in. You can't do that, because denial isn't on the map.

Washington state: 245 lab confirmed influenza deaths (2018-2019). 1395 COVID-19 deaths.

https://www.doh.wa.gov/DataandStatisticalReports/DiseasesandChronicConditions/CommunicableDiseaseSurveillanceData/InfluenzaSurveillanceData

California: 588 Lab confirmed influenza deaths (2018-2019) 6708 COVID-19 deaths.

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/Immunization/Flu-Reports.aspx

Idaho: 58 influenza deaths (2018-2019) 98 COVID-19 deaths.

https://healthandwelfare.idaho.gov/Health/DiseasesConditions/Influenza/tabid/2505/Default.aspx

New Mexico: 49 Influenza deaths (2018-2019) 527 COVID-19 deaths.

https://www.nmhealth.org/data/view/infectious/2263/

Indiana: 113 influenza deaths (2018-2019) (131 for 2019-2020).

2732 COVID-19 deaths.

https://www.in.gov/isdh/22104.htm

No made up numbers here. Although I did pull the COVID-19 numbers from Google, rather than JHU. They are not far off. I settled on 2018-2019 flu season because not all states have updated reports for 2020 and because the numbers should be free from COVID-19 misdiagnosis in January and February.

If you scan through some of the states, you'll find mentioned exactly what I said. They lump all pneumonia deaths with flu deaths because pneumonia is often a side effect of influenza. However, pneumonia is it's own disease and is a side effect of many things. This is where the CDC estimates are so far off.

As for AIDS, didn't need to make anything up there either. A simple search will provide you basic information on Barbara Peabody, her art and her books, including "The Screaming Room. " Looks as if the AIDS, Art, Alive program closed their doors in 1995, so can't provide much there. However, I really don't need to.

Why is it nobody seems to be able to do basic math? I say I saw scores of people die from AIDS and that means thousands to you? So when Lincoln said "Four score and seven years ago" he meant 4007 years ago? I always thought it meant 87 years ago. According to your math, the US was founded in 2144 BC? Damn, them history books were way off.

Sweden? Peru? Did I mention Sweden or Peru? I have made no judgements on Sweden, Peru, Zimbabwe, or any other country. I don't need to. All I needed to do was provide the actual numbers on Influenza deaths compared to COVID-19 deaths. Something anyone, including you, could have done. You don't even need to follow my links. You can go to Google and type it in yourself. I used "<state name recorded flu deaths 2019. " You could just search by state for "Influenza Surveillance report. ".

I love the way you cut out the stuff you can't deny when you quote people. All part of that cognitive dissonance.

I won't repeat all the times you moved the goalposts on your flu comparisons. I will repeat your social distancing flip flops. Got to go with whatever best fits your current "theory. ".

I never made fun of your sex life. I asked for clarification. In your post, which I quoted completely, without needing to cut out anything, you both claimed you were currently with 2 Colombianas and claimed that you weren't with 2 Colombianas because they both wanted to leave. I only want to know how that is possible. I mean if you're with someone, how can you not be with them? If someone leaves, how can they still be there?

But apparently your current sex life is a rather touchy subject. Mine is just fine. I'm getting the exact amount of sex I expect to get, every day and I'm extremely comfortable with that.

You might want to disinfect your screen. From the tone of your post, you clearly were foaming at the mouth when you wrote it.

Keep on demonstrating that mental stability which we've all grown to love.

JjBee62

07-09-20, 16:05

From the CDC, on the 2018-2019 flu season:

"A total of 18,965 laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated hospitalizations were reported by FluSurv-NET sites between October 1, 2018 and April 30,2019."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2018-2019/Week20.htm

Also from the CDC:

"CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza (Table 1)."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

The first set of numbers are the actual numbers confirmed by laboratory testing. The second set of numbers is the estimate put out by the CDC. As I have stated more than once, and as you can find on the CDC website, all pneumonia deaths are added to flu hospitalizations to figure the estimate. They estimate, even after the flu season had ended, almost 500 k hospitalizations when they had the actual number, under 20 k.

The CDC does not publish the actual, laboratory confirmed Influenza deaths. They do publish pediatric deaths, 111 for 2018-2019, only 137 for 2017-2018.

In comparison:

The cumulative hospitalization rate is 102.5 per 100,000. That comes to 336,000+ COVID-19 hospitalizations in the US since March 1. (Using the 2019 estimated US population of 328 million).

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

All the information you need is readily available.

JjBee62

07-09-20, 20:58

From the CDC, on the 2018-2019 flu season:

"A total of 18,965 laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated hospitalizations were reported by FluSurv-NET sites between October 1, 2018 and April 30,2019."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2018-2019/Week20.htm

Also from the CDC:

"CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 20182019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza (Table 1)."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

The first set of numbers are the actual numbers confirmed by laboratory testing. The second set of numbers is the estimate put out by the CDC. As I have stated more than once, and as you can find on the CDC website, all pneumonia deaths are added to flu hospitalizations to figure the estimate. They estimate, even after the flu season had ended, almost 500 k hospitalizations when they had the actual number, under 20 k..Correction:

There were 187 pediatric flu deaths in the 2017-2018 flu season.

Stirling

07-10-20, 04:02

Wow, doc Stirling, with all you Dems on here, what is next? Dr. Fauci going to post here?

This is what was published in 2003. The article was entitled Effects of chloroquine on viral infections: an old drug against today's diseases: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(03)00806-5/fulltext

Chloroquine / hydroxychloroquie has a well-studied toxicity profile. The half-century-long use of this drug in the therapy of malaria demonstrates the safety of acute administration of chloroquine to human beings. The use of chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine in rheumatic diseases and for antimalarial prophylaxis showed a low incidence of adverse events during chronic administration of this drug for periods of up to a few years. In these cases, the most serious toxic effect is a macular retinopathy, which depends on the cumulative dose rather than on the daily dose, and permanent damage may be prevented with regular visual monitoring during treatment. 27,28, 29 A recent study30 provided encouraging results on the safety of a high dosage of the drug (up to 500 MG of chloroquine base per day) even during pregnancy.

We conclude that chloroquine / hydroxychloroquine administration presents limited and well-preventable toxicity and may thus result in a low risk / benefit balance at least when it is used in life-threatening conditions.

It is funny even though dexamethasone has a pretty bad side effect profile and a similar mechanism of action, no one mentions side effects but with HCQ, you are going to go blind and have a stroke, and it doesn't work. What is your theory on why the side effect profile of the drug changed?

Because here is my theory: a bunch of Democratic pseudointellectual hacks are afraid that it might work.

The shame of it all is the same political bullshit is happening in Colombia. The mayor of Bogota and Colombian president are competing to see who can be a bigger hard ass on Covid.You're missing the point. ALL drugs have some degree of toxicity and we can live with some of those risks IF the drug has been shown to provide benefit to the patient. If there's no benefit, why would I subject a patient to any potential adverse effects. Chloroquine and HCQ were used for years to treat malaria because they were effective and the risk / benefit ratio made it worthwhile. No one has used these drugs to treat malaria for decades, virtually all Plasmodium spp. (malaria) are resistant and we have better more effective agents. Yes, HCQ is currently used to treat a number of rheumatological diseases because the drug has been shown to be very effective. As such, any risk associated with the drug is worth taking.

Dexamethasone, along with a number of other systemic steroids have significant side effects. And yes, we prescribe them, but only to patients we feel will significantly benefit from them. Steroids should never be prescribed lightly.

The paper you reference is 17 years old. It suggests that MAYBE, based on HCQ's mode of action, that it might provide some benefit in viral infections. It has been studied in a number of different viral infections since then and no statistical benefit has been found. The recent study by docs at the Henry ford hospital suggesting HCQ is effective in COVID patients is seriously flawed. This study was an observational study and anything but randomized. As well, patients who received hydroxychloroquine were also more likely to get steroids, which appear to help very sick patients with COVID. That is likely to have influenced the central finding of the Henry Ford study: that death rates were 50% lower among patients in hospitals treated with HCQ. The only agent so far to show any promise is remdesivir and even then the advantages appear slight.

Frankly, if HCQ was proven to work in these patients based on sound placebo controlled randomized trials, I would be the first to advocate it for my patients admitted to the ICU. I could care less who's idea it was. But until then, suggesting it is an effective treatment is foolhardy.

Stirling.

JjBee62

07-10-20, 13:56

World Health Organization (WHO) states that close to 800,000 people die due to suicide every year. There are indications that for each adult who died by suicide there may have been more than 20 others attempting suicide. The depression from lost jobs / businesses, retirement accounts, divorce, broken families caused by the Corona Virus will likely cause this number to be 3 times higher. So, 800,000 X 3 = 2,400,000 800,000 (yearly normally occurring) = 1,600,000 suicide deaths attributed indirectly to the Corona virus.

https://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suicideprevent/en/

United Nations study states that the number of hungry people in the world in 2017:821 million or 1 in every 9 people. Other sources state that around 9 million people die of hunger and hunger-related diseases every year. That number will more than triple this year. So 9,000,000 X 3 = 27,000,000 9,000,000 (yearly normally occurring) = 18,000,000. Keep in mind that this year Africa is having a severe locust problem so could be even higher! Virus death takes weeks to die compared to hunger-related of months to years. How do you want to die?.I enjoyed your post, but there are 2 things I have huge problems with.

"will likely cause this number to be 3 times higher. "

Can you please show your work on that? Have there been any recent studies showing suicide rate has tripled? Is there any historical evidence indicating that suicide rate increases threefold during financial crises? Same thing with hunger and poverty deaths. What methodology was used to determine death rate will more than triple this year?

This is just my gut feeling, don't take offense, it it really feels like you just made up those numbers when you said things will multiply by 3.

Made up numbers hurt us more than they help us. They cause us to improperly allocate our resources and circumvent the process of finding real solutions to problems.

Here's my other complaint with your post. Where were you last year? If suicide is something we need to consider in regards to the coronavirus, shouldn't we have been dealing with it last year? If poverty and hunger need to be part of the discussion, why didn't they matter last year?

This is something people frequently do. They choose a course of action then look for justification for their decision. Unfortunately, you just end up doing what you wanted to do,. Without really considering all the consequences.

Here's an example I've seen many times in recent years. Refugees. There are always refugees looking for a better life away from war, poverty and crime. When anyone mentions helping them, someone replies we have homeless veterans and hungry people already here, and we need to help them first. However, when you agree and ask how much money we should spend fixing our own problems, they don't want to help drug addicts and lazy people. The decision was pre-made, we don't want to help other people. The alternative was a justification, not a commitment to help.

I have nothing to back this with, just my observations, so probably not worth much. It appears to me, the people most worried and most vocal about the shutdown aren't the ones who are already in poverty. It's not the people who are already dealing with hunger. It's the ones who have never known hunger, who have never lived on the edge of desperation, who are worried.

You said it yourself, you would rather be dead than homeless. I've been there before, walking the very fine line between homelessness and being dead. You can see, I chose differently.

When you're struggling every day to put food on the table, when things get worse, you don't really notice, you tighten your belt and you struggle on. Instead of chicken with your rice 3 times a week, you get it once. I've lost track of the number of times I've seen arroz and huevo come up on Facebook recently. All those estrato 1 and 2 prepagos are saying "we grew up eating the bare minimum of food, we can live on it if we have to."

Meanwhile, the people who are used to hopping on a plane whenever they get an urge are lost. They've never had to face the hardship of sitting at home bored. They've never had a situation where they were told "you can't do that."

There is no denying the shutdown will have widespread economic impact. People will be impoverished, families will break up, there will be hardship, pain and depression. People will die, businesses will fail.

However, we've been through this before. Perhaps not in our lifetimes, but our grandparents went through it. Sit down, while there are any left alive, with someone who survived the Great Depression. You won't hear stories of hopelessness and depression. You'll hear stories of pride and accomplishment. You'll hear about families and communities pulling together and overcoming hardship.

What you'll find, if you look, economies always recover (and there's huge money to be made in the recovery).

Black Page

07-10-20, 17:31

is this a Schroedinger scenario??Dear J, I loved to read all your posts. Well written and admirably argumented. This citation of Schroedinger is worth an Award by itself.

The only problem is that a long and logical message as yours is useless for those who need it, but needless for those who can understand it.
An old professor of my university once told a dumb student "if you need me to explain this, then you cannot understand my explanation".

Paulie97

07-10-20, 18:51

With Covid, to a dipshit like you, Sweden did it all wrong, but you look at Peru and Covid, and it is way worse there that it ever was or is in Sweden, and Peru was in total lockdown.You are all over the place pitting Sweden against Peru. Sweden is best compared to their Nordic neighbors because there are great similarities with demographics and the way their societies are constructed. Like the rest of Western Europe all are seeing a decline in confirmed Covid cases and deaths. But these are the death totals as of today, Sweden 5,500, Norway 252, Denmark 600, & Finland 329. All or doing pretty well at the moment, but Sweden in their foolishness arguably caused the needless deaths of 1000's of their citizens, and with no economic benefits to show for it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/sweden-s-grim-covid-19-result-more-death-and-nearly-equal-economic-damage-1.4300102

Yes Peru had "total lockdown," by declaration, but widespread non-compliance and wholly inadequate enforcement. Of course a "total lockdown" is meaningless in that scenario. This by the way is the same problem in Colombia, especially in Bogota, and in many parts of the US as well.

JjBee62

07-10-20, 21:35

Dear J, I loved to read all your posts. Well written and admirably argumented. This citation of Schroedinger is worth an Award by itself.

The only problem is that a long and logical message as yours is useless for those who need it, but needless for those who can understand it.
An old professor of my university once told a dumb student "if you need me to explain this, then you cannot understand my explanation".Thank you. I'm aware of the contradiction. However, when I write I'm writing for myself. I enjoy the process of combining research with consideration to hopefully produce something either informative or entertaining. Although I'm certain my critics will say I fail in both areas.

LoveItHere69

07-11-20, 02:36

LoveItHere69

07-11-20, 02:54

As of today.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/world-brink-hunger-pandemic-coronavirus-threatens-push-millions-starvation

Elvis 2008

07-11-20, 03:41

You are all over the place pitting Sweden against Peru.It is "All over the place" because comparing those two counties puts a wrench in your liberal, Democratic bullshit. The fact is that you had two countries try extremely different methods against the virus and both had terrible results. However, Peru's horrible results does not fit into the Democratic agenda so to paraphrase you, "Peru does not count because Peru sucks."

The real agenda is not mentioned, which is to destroy the world economy and get Trump out of office, and the Peruvian method most certainly devastated their economy. That you link an Irish newspaper quoting an anti-Trump American think tank commenting on a Swedish economy projection begs the question, "Why are you Democrats so invested in saying Sweden was a failure?

Because it wasn't. The Swedish economy actually grew in Q1 despite negative projections, and you Democrats cannot have that: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html.

It was never destroy the economy to save lives. It was always use the virus to destroy the world economy period and on that, it is mission accomplished.

The only question left is if you, JJBee, and Black Page are going to form a group where you whack off to a picture of Nancy Pelosi.

Elvis 2008

07-11-20, 03:57

However, when I write I'm writing for myself.Yeah, I think most people get that.

The Tall Man

07-11-20, 04:28

JjBee62

07-11-20, 06:15

Paulie97

07-11-20, 19:52

It is "All over the place" because comparing those two counties puts a wrench in your liberal, Democratic bullshit. The fact is that you had two countries try extremely different methods against the virus and both had terrible results. However, Peru's horrible results does not fit into the Democratic agenda so to paraphrase you, "Peru does not count because Peru sucks."

The real agenda is not mentioned, which is to destroy the world economy and get Trump out of office, and the Peruvian method most certainly devastated their economy. That you link an Irish newspaper quoting an anti-Trump American think tank commenting on a Swedish economy projection begs the question, "Why are you Democrats so invested in saying Sweden was a failure?.Not surprisingly you quoted my thesis statement but cut out / ignored my evidence that supported it. For the sake of the readers I'll post it again:

"Sweden is best compared to their Nordic neighbors because there are great similarities with demographics and the way their societies are constructed. Like the rest of Western Europe all are seeing a decline in confirmed Covid cases and deaths. But these are the death totals as of today, Sweden 5,500, Norway 252, Denmark 600 (sic), & Finland 329. All are doing pretty well at the moment, but Sweden in their foolishness arguably caused the needless deaths of 1000's of their citizens, and with no economic benefits to show for it."

That's a whole lot of senseless death as a result of a failed experiment that virtually every contagious disease specialist in the world warned against, don't ya think? Here is the source for the numbers, though I had a typo on Denmark, it's actually 609.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.

And no, they are not part of some worldwide, every corner of the globe conspiracy to get Trump out of office, Rothchilds, New World Order, Moon Landing Hoax, Bigfoot, or even alien abductions.

https://www.worldometers.info/about/

On the Irish Times recent article, published Thursday this week, a history of criticizing Trump hardly discredits a source. With all the silly things the latter says it takes a team of creative lawyers performing Houdiniesque gymnastics and abrupt departures just to try and break even with the press. Plus there are plenty of conservatives that oppose his isolationist trade policies. Regardless of the messenger though, the article was correct.

Your CNBC article was published in May and is old news. And a slight gain of 0. 1% in GDP is hardly worth boosting Sweden's body count 10 to 20 times higher than each of their Nordic neighbors (See above). But here's the new information. The Swedish national bank, Riksbank on July 1 published their forecasts for 2020 and expect a GDP decline, -4.5%, down from the 1.3% expected gain assessed back in February. Unemployment is expected to rise from the 7% assessed in February to 8.7. So is Riksbank cooking the numbers to pick on Trump? Your Swedish model is a done deal, and Norway and Denmark know this as Swedes are banned from tourism.

https://www.reuters.com/article/sweden-cenbank-forecast/table-swedish-cbank-forecasts-key-rate-at-0-for-coming-years-idUSS3N2AC001

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52853556

And yes, Peru has had a load of non-compliance with lockdown measures, as has Colombia and the US. That's all common knowledge. Lockdowns minus compliance aren't really lockdowns. That destroyed your thesis with the monumental reach, Sweden versus Peru before you ever got off the ground.

Now pick a short phrase from this post as a launching pad, ignore all the uncomfortable facts, and get to screaming about conspiracy theories and playing the victim for Trump by proxy. If you do that long enough maybe the facts you find so troubling will melt away, just like the virus was supposed melt away in the summer heat. How's it going over there in Texas?

P.S. Don't ever take on a debate in a formal and / or academic setting, unless you can handle getting loudly laughed off the stage. Stay right where you are. Heck you even got a few co-signers here. Impressive!

Paulie97

07-11-20, 21:51

Truer words are seldom spoken. Been following this discussion and agree spot on Elvis.

The Tall Man.I'm sure that Elvis is pleased to have a "me too" reply or co-signer. But you are the guy that wanted to fight and whip all the Fase Dos bouncers at once, right? Gotcha amigo. Keep on truckin.

Black Page

07-12-20, 09:46

Instead of addressing the numbers, all you can think about is me and my penis.Everyone speaks on topics where he is feels stronger to provide arguments.

JjBee62

07-12-20, 14:46

Depression.

Their is a strong correlation between boredom leading to depression. There is not a study for every damn thing and most studies are BS! This one is pretty much common sense really, if you have it. Nobody can go to a restaurant, movie, bar, gym, park, or visit family in retirement facility. Kids can not play with their friends and some will not see their friends if and when schools start up again. I remember being a kid out every day. I can not imagine what these kids are going through. People lost their retirement in the stock market, lost jobs, many about to be evicted. You are saying the current way of life is not boring you and / or causing you some depression? Even the super rich are effected in some form.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-link-between-boredom-depression.html

Hunger.

With closed borders and ports many countries can not get the pesticides to kill one of the largest locust swarms on record. This article is a month old. Locusts are now in India.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/05/africa/locusts/

Many farmers and ranchers are having problems getting their products to market. Hard to get feed for their stock and seeds to plant. Many migrants can not move from state to state of country to country to ready the soil, plant the seeds, or harvest the product with borders and ports closed.

Suicide and the world economy. This will show up years from now.

JjBee62. You know girls were sending money to their families in Venezuela. Venezuela had it rough before the virus. How bad do you think it is there now? Twice as bad? Three times as bad? You think those girls are not depressed as hell that they can not help their families like they once could before? So many guys on this board thought they could come in July. Then August. Who knows when. You think they are depressed? Based on what I have read and heard I believe the United States is 3 times worse than when I left 4 months ago.

Now here is something else for you to worry about: Hand sanitizers!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8511371/FDA-warns-against-new-hand-sanitizer-products-killed-permanently-blinded-people.htmlI haven't bothered to chase down the survey, I only heard it mentioned briefly on the radio yesterday. Apparently, a majority of couples responded to the survey that the forced togetherness has improved their relationship, rather than worsened it. A majority also responded they had learned things about their partner.

My anecdotal evidence is something I began to notice back in April. I spend about 63 hours every week driving, more if there are backups due to construction, accidents, weather, or people simply being lousy drivers. I have an excellent point of view into the cars that pass me by. For several years I've complained that cellphones have taken the fun out of driving. Before the smart phone, couples on road trips got bored, which often resulted in them finding ways to entertain themselves. I kept track one year and about once every 4 days some woman would flash her tits at me. Occasionally they'd flash pussy or ass. I've had them drive alongside me for miles, tits out and fingering. Couples would drive along with the woman giving head, even fucking, which was impressive. Add it all together and if I was driving, I was almost guaranteed to see at least some good, old-fashioned road head daily.

That all disappeared when everyone began living with their phone in their hand. Once every 4 days dropped to once or twice a year. Road head? Almost completely disappeared. Even couples holding hands while driving became rare. In early April I noticed a trend. Even though traffic was way down, couples being affectionate were becoming common again. Haven't seen any increase in titty flashers, but road head I'm seeing about 3 times a week. Couples holding hands, or thighs has gone from a few times a week to about every hour.

If you're in a strong relationship, adversity tends to strengthen it. Weak relationships can go either way.

Overall, I don't see the depression going that bad right now. Suicide rate in the US rose by 35% between 1999 and 2018. Roughly 2% annually, although I doubt it is a smooth curve.

Certainly there will be an increase in suicides and some of the increase will be attributed to the shutdown. Any disaster is going to push some people over the edge. But a doubling or tripling of the suicide rate isn't likely. I'd be shocked if the rate for 2020 is more than 5% above 2019. However, we'll have to wait awhile, 2019 numbers aren't out yet. Here's an article that notes the likelihood of an increase, without being alarmist.

https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-05-22/experts-warn-of-a-surge-of-suicides-tied-to-the-coronavirus-pandemic

The current situation isn't boring me. It's affected my life somewhat, although not in a significant way. That's mainly because I'm self-supporting. Not just in the economic sense, but emotionally as well. I don't require outside validation. I've got several Colombianas who I talk to every day. Most of them will send me a picture or video. Afterwards they almost always ask twice if I liked it. That's twice after I already told them I liked it. They require that ego boost. I don't. That's also why flirting and complimenting the women works so well. Their self-worth is tied up with what other people think about them.

Don't get me wrong. I get a warm, fuzzy feeling when I get a compliment. But that's like dessert. I eat every day, but I seldom have dessert. It's great when I do, but I rarely go looking for it.

I imagine all the leisure classes are bored and somewhat depressed. They're the ones mostly affected by the shutdown. They can't jet off to Istanbul on a whim. They can't be out being seen, and having their pictures pop-up in the media.

The people who put in 40-60 hours a week aren't noticing. They're still heading to the lake on the weekend to do some fishing or boating. They're still handling projects around the house. They're still mowing the lawn and washing the windows.

Back in March, before the shutdown, I wrote about the weakness of the US supply chain. Our systems have been deteriorating for decades. Part of the reason is profit. We've cut regulations across the board, not because the regulations are unnecessary, but because they cut into profits. We've weakened every wall that supports our economy, because immediate gratification is more important than sustainability. If not the coronavirus, it would be something else coming along. Droughts, wildfires, flooding, extreme weather, locusts. We've decimated our ability to withstand adversity.

Look at the meat processing fiasco. Meat processing facilities should have been the least affected by Coronavirus outbreaks. These are the people who are actually touching the food that you eat. Shouldn't they have already been wearing masks, gloves, tyvek suits and frequently sanitizing everything? That used to be required. I know, I've done it. 2 pairs of gloves, disposable coveralls, plastic shoe covers, facemask, eye protection and face shield. Not anymore. All those things cost money, so we got the USDA to eliminate most of the requirements. If all those employees were so quickly able to spread the disease at work, just imagine what you've been eating.

You've pointed out all the effects of shutdowns, without recognizing the pre-existing conditions. The countries you listed have all been dealing with these problems for years. We haven't tried to fix them. In most cases we've made them worse. Once everything is opened back up, we're still not going to try and fix the underlying problems. The next disease, the next typhoon, the next war and we'll be in the same place.

I'll ask this question again. Where were you on all these issues last year? 10 years ago? Where will you be on them next year? Have you been calling your Congressmen telling them to normalize relations with Venezuela? Or Cuba? Have you been asking them to strengthen regulations which we need to protect our supply chain? Have you called for increased support of UN efforts to eradicate poverty, disease and hunger? Have you called for the US to open up our borders to more refugees?

You're pointing out all of these issues to support your position, without actually being in favor (I assume) of doing what's needed to address the issues.

I enjoy your approach. It's an appeal to reason. However, it comes off as a campaign speech to me. It approaches the problem from one side and assumes one solution. Shake hands, kiss babies and sign a few autographs.

But there's another side of the problem. It's still too early for a definitive statement, but it appears we're about to surge off the charts. I'm certain you're smart enough to recognize the increase in cases isn't from increased testing. We're well below reaching a saturation point, even if we did 100% random testing. 100,000 new cases per day? 4,000 deaths per day? These are possibilities and potentially conservative numbers. Imagine those numbers if we open up all the schools. What happens to the numbers when you combine the flu season with a coronavirus outbreak that's out of control?

Like it or not, the US is headed for another shutdown and it's going to be much worse than the first one.

I want this shit show over with at least as much as you do. If we had maintained the shutdown through July, we'd be looking at a much brighter picture right now.

JjBee62

07-12-20, 14:53

As of today.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/world-brink-hunger-pandemic-coronavirus-threatens-push-millions-starvationYou'll get that. Every time there is any problem in the news, every one looking for donations sticks out their hand. The guy who I've seen begging every day for the past 8 months changed his cardboard sign to say "Lost job to corona. Please help. " Before the sign said "I could really use a beer. ".

JjBee62

07-12-20, 15:11

It is "All over the place" because comparing those two counties puts a wrench in your liberal, Democratic bullshit. The fact is that you had two countries try extremely different methods against the virus and both had terrible results. However, Peru's horrible results does not fit into the Democratic agenda so to paraphrase you, "Peru does not count because Peru sucks."

The real agenda is not mentioned, which is to destroy the world economy and get Trump out of office, and the Peruvian method most certainly devastated their economy. That you link an Irish newspaper quoting an anti-Trump American think tank commenting on a Swedish economy projection begs the question, "Why are you Democrats so invested in saying Sweden was a failure?

Because it wasn't. The Swedish economy actually grew in Q1 despite negative projections, and you Democrats cannot have that: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html.

It was never destroy the economy to save lives. It was always use the virus to destroy the world economy period and on that, it is mission accomplished.

The only question left is if you, JJBee, and Black Page are going to form a group where you whack off to a picture of Nancy Pelosi.Back to all those numbers you seem to be afraid of.

Flu Serve Net was set up in 2003, to collect data about influenza around the US. Data is provided by every state and territory health department, who get their data from count health departments, who get the data from the hospitals, doctors and labs. Part of it is the ILI Surveillance System (Influenza Like Illness). A useful tool, unless you're a useless tool.

Unfortunately, the information they've been collecting for the past 17 years, easily debunks the "no worse than the flu" noise you've been making. It also can easily be used to demonstrate the current administration has not excelled in their handling of the crisis. Which means, according to your reasoning, 17 years ago, every health agency, every hospital administrator, from the smallest public hospital to the CDC and the NIH, signed on to a conspiracy to make Donald Trump look bad in 2020. It means that when George W. Bush pushed to develop a pandemic response, and when Obama built upon that, they did it knowing their efforts would be used to discredit Trump in 2020. Of course we also have to include the WHO and practically every government in almost every country, all falsifying everything in order to make Trump look bad.

Apparently, the "keep Donald Trump from saving the world" conspiracy, not only involves nearly 7. 5 billion people, they also have a motherfucking time machine.

I need to get onboard with that. I just recently saw that incredibly hot cheerleader from my high school days. She's pushing 300 pounds and looks hideous. I need to get that time machine, go back and fuck her and get her off the path that turned her into a blob.

Elvis 2008

07-12-20, 21:33

Back to all those numbers you seem to be afraid of.Oh please, if you compare Sweden's numbers to Peru, the Swedish policy is a success. If you compare it to South Korea, it was not.

The whole notion that you can't compare Sweden to Peru though based on demographics falls apart if you know three facts. The virus hits the elderly worse than they young. The median age in Sweden is 40. The median age in Peru is 27. So if anything, Peru should be having a lower death rate given that it has a younger population and implemented the Draconian measures you Democrats wanted, but the numbers do not bear that out.

The information they've been collecting for the past 17 years, easily debunks the "no worse than the flu" noise you've been making. It also can easily be used to demonstrate the current administration has not excelled in their handling of the crisis. Which means, according to your reasoning, 17 years ago, every health agency, every hospital administrator, from the smallest public hospital to the CDC and the NIH, signed on to a conspiracy to make Donald Trump look bad in 2020.Again, this is a mindless Democratic talking point when you dive into the numbers. Look at this graph comparing Covid to the 1918 pandemic: https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/deaths%20covid%20vs%20spanish%20flu_1.jpg?itok=NJQ1-nGM.

By the way, the ratio of death not the number but the ratio of death demographically due to seasonal flu and the flu of 1918 is pretty similar. So yeah, Covid is way way worse for people over 85 than the flu and I would go as far to say it is worse for people over 60 but when you start talking about people in their 20's? FUCK NO! It is not even close.

The emphasis then should have been on people who are in their 20's and younger to isolate themselves from the elderly not shutting down schools and preventing young, healthy athletes from competing. That makes no sense at all unless you look at things from a political POV.

In fact, I have had four chicas from four different countries in their 20's tell me that they are absolutely terrified of getting corona and dying, and THAT fear is a fucking conspiracy, and that shit does not wash off easily, and I don't like it when fear porn gets in the way of my getting laid.

So how do I know you are not getting laid? Because anyone who is sexually active has to deal with this fear porn.

And anyone spreading this fear bullshit to people in their 20's and younger is either a hard core Democrat or not getting laid.

So that is my stereotype and I am sticking to it!!

Paulie97

07-12-20, 23:25

The whole notion that you can't compare Sweden to Peru though based on demographics falls apart if you know three facts. The virus hits the elderly worse than they young. The median age in Sweden is 40. The median age in Peru is 27. So if anything, Peru should be having a lower death rate given that it has a younger population and implemented the Draconian measures you Democrats wanted, but the numbers do not bear that out. You can compare Sweden to Peru on a monger board all you want. This though will never change the fact that you are using a non-squitur. Compare Sweden to their neighhors, who have similar demographics and societal constructs, and your argument instantly folds. With Peru some of it relates to societal constructs, but ultimately it's all non-compliance. 40% of Peruvians don't have refrigerators. They are used to crowding in markets. Articles on this are legion. Social distancing, masks, and stay at home orders hardly happened. That destroys your comparison, no matter how long you want to hang out here flopping around like a fish on the shore.

Again, this is a mindless Democratic talking point when you dive into the numbers. Look at this graph comparing Covid to the 1918 pandemic: https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/deaths%20covid%20vs%20spanish%20flu_1.jpg?itok=NJQ1-nGM.What do Democrats and a 102 year old flu have to do with the price of rice in China? Talk about a goal post shift. Why not go back to the Bubonic Plague? You'the get a lot more mileage that way. Covid isn't the flu, nor does it have anything to do with flus in our generation. It's killing a lot more people, as JJBee62 showed you with credible stats. There are also long term health consequences of Covid, brain, heart, lungs, kidney that aren't typically found with the flu.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200710/lingering-effects-of-covid-19-on-lungs-heart-brain-kidneys-and-immune-system

The emphasis then should have been on people who are in their 20's and younger to isolate themselves from the elderly not shutting down schools and preventing young, healthy athletes from competing. Even though a lot of athletes have been testing positive.

In fact, I have had four chicas from four different countries in their 20's tell me that they are absolutely terrified of getting corona and dying, and THAT fear is a fucking conspiracy, and that shit does not wash off easily, and I don't like it when fear porn gets in the way of my getting laid. There ya go, the source of all the passion and dogged determination from this guy. Well damn, Covid is hampering his ability to buy cheap Latin American pussy. Such high priorities in life, I rest my case.

And anyone spreading this fear bullshit to people in their 20's and younger is either a hard core Democrat or not getting laid.There have been younger people that have died from this. There's evidence of long term consequences, in the matter of the young and old. But there are some young people that aren't out only for themselves, want to protect others so they are inclined to social distance and wear masks. But since this is all about you, and how the Democrats are picking on you and Trump, I don't expect you to grab ahold of that. It's well beyond your tiny, me oriented existence.

LoveItHere69

07-13-20, 00:48

You'll get that. Every time there is any problem in the news, every one looking for donations sticks out their hand. The guy who I've seen begging every day for the past 8 months changed his cardboard sign to say "Lost job to corona. Please help. " Before the sign said "I could really use a beer. ".Try the United Nations instead. Agree Oxfam is way biased for money.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/04/1062272

Anyways you get my point.

LoveItHere69

07-13-20, 01:41

I haven't bothered to chase down the survey, I only heard it mentioned briefly on the radio yesterday. Apparently, a majority of couples responded to the survey that the forced togetherness has improved their relationship, rather than worsened it. A majority also responded they had learned things about their partner.

My anecdotal evidence is something I began to notice back in April. I spend about 63 hours every week driving, more if there are backups due to construction, accidents, weather, or people simply being lousy drivers. I have an excellent point of view into the cars that pass me by.

I'll ask this question again. Where were you on all these issues last year? 10 years ago? Where will you be on them next year? Have you been calling your Congressmen telling them to normalize relations with Venezuela? Or Cuba? Have you been asking them to strengthen regulations which we need to protect our supply chain? Have you called for increased support of UN efforts to eradicate poverty, disease and hunger? Have you called for the US to open up our borders to more refugees?

You're pointing out all of these issues to support your position, without actually being in favor (I assume) of doing what's needed to address the issues.You are basing marriages and divorces based on what you see in cars driving by. You do not even know if they are married. Google search "divorces during covid". Get real information based on court filings, comments from divorce lawyers, and the increase in Google searches for divorce lawyers. Count them. That is 3 strong sources. That is the example you use for using your personal common sense? Ouch you make my brain hurt.

Also, do a search "domestic violent during covid". Believe me they are related or do you want me to walk you through it. Take note of the "boredom" and "depression" I spoke of earlier.

I said that death by hunger and suicide will increase by nearly 3 times caused directly but mostly indirectly from the virus and then backed up my major points. Most are small points that added up will do the 1000 paper cut deaths. But I can not list all and hardly know but a small percentage. I never said I cared. People die in your town every day that you do not know. Did you go to any of their funerals? No. Why? Simple. You do not know them so you do not care.

Let's take the next step. You have met some of the guys on this board. If they passed away would you go to their funeral or donate to it? No. Why? Because you did not know them well enough to care enough. 90% of the people you know are acquaintances, not friends. I know the difference. You do not.

Friend Indicators:

You are going to meet several guys next time you visit Colombia. You friend is the one you make plans to meet before you leave versus after you gt there.

Friend is the guy that goes to your house and hangs out at times inside not outside like your neighbor.

Friend is the one you invite to Christmas dinner.

JjBee62

07-13-20, 01:44

Oh please, if you compare Sweden's numbers to Peru, the Swedish policy is a success. If you compare it to South Korea, it was not.

The whole notion that you can't compare Sweden to Peru though based on demographics falls apart if you know three facts. The virus hits the elderly worse than they young. The median age in Sweden is 40. The median age in Peru is 27. So if anything, Peru should be having a lower death rate given that it has a younger population and implemented the Draconian measures you Democrats wanted, but the numbers do not bear that out.

Again, this is a mindless Democratic talking point when you dive into the numbers. Look at this graph comparing Covid to the 1918 pandemic: https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/deaths%20covid%20vs%20spanish%20flu_1.jpg?itok=NJQ1-nGM.

By the way, the ratio of death not the number but the ratio of death demographically due to seasonal flu and the flu of 1918 is pretty similar. So yeah, Covid is way way worse for people over 85 than the flu and I would go as far to say it is worse for people over 60 but when you start talking about people in their 20's? FUCK NO! It is not even close.

The emphasis then should have been on people who are in their 20's and younger to isolate themselves from the elderly not shutting down schools and preventing young, healthy athletes from competing. That makes no sense at all unless you look at things from a political POV.Why do you keep quoting me and talking about Sweden and Peru? I have not mentioned Sweden or Peru. I don't care about Sweden or Peru. Neither Sweden nor Peru is part of Flu Serve Net or the ILI Surveillance System. Neither reports to the CDC. So why do you bring up Sweden and Peru every time you quote me?

Instead, why don't you bring up the data I posted with the comparison to the flu. You keep bringing up the flu, I spoon feed the data to you and immediately you start babbling about Sweden and Peru. If I shift to Sweden and Peru will you go back to discussing the flu, or will you then shift to blaming Soros and Hillary on the rise in erectile dysfunction?

Focus. You wanted flu data. I gave you flu data. You ignore flu data, other than to bring up the flu from 100 years ago. Your cardiovascular system must be fucking incredible, because you run away from every fact like Hermes on his way to Olympus.

If the only thing you can talk about is Sweden and Peru, go find a blonde and get her to shove live Guinea pigs up your ass, but stop quoting me on it.

Mr Enternational

07-13-20, 06:33

In fact, I have had four chicas from four different countries in their 20's tell me that they are absolutely terrified of getting corona and dying, and THAT fear is a fucking conspiracy, and that shit does not wash off easily,Whose fault is it that people are stupid? What makes a person afraid of one thing and not afraid of another? I am on neither side of this dangerous covid, non-dangerous covid, democratic, republican stuff. Here in Thailand there have been just over 3,000 cases. There has not been a case in at least 50 days. 58 people died in all. There is a population of over 66 million. We wore/are wearing mask, everything had closed down, but is finally back open, had the curfew stuff. I guess it all worked since the stats ended up being so low here.

I only wear a mask now where it is required, such as going into a store. You still see people out riding around on motorbikes wearing masks. And as usual you see a shit ton of people riding around without helmets, even though the law states that you must wear one. You will even see them riding with the helmet in their hand, but not on their head.

Plenty of times I have run into chicks that I know out riding and they have on a mask and no helmet. I tell them to put on their fucking helmet. I ask how many people do you know that have died from covid. The answer is none. How many people do you know that have had covid. The answer is none. How many people you know have died from a motorbike accident. Well everybody knows plenty of those. Yet they are running around terrified of covid that they would not dare go in public without a mask, but carefree when it comes to wearing a helmet that would more than likely save their lives if they got into an accident. Makes absolutely no sense to me. Why do they have this acute fear of what is statistically extremely low, but contempt for what will surely take them out of the game?

Paulie97

07-13-20, 19:27

I said that death by hunger and suicide will increase by nearly 3 times caused directly but mostly indirectly from the virus and then backed up my major points. You haven't "backed up" anything, no links, no data, nada, only monger forum pseudo-intellectualism, and that's being generous. This plague is small time compared to the big boys, like the Bubonic Plagues of the Middle Ages or Yellow Fever epidemics of the 19th see. Such happen, are part of recorded history from the beginning like hurricances. You've provided no data to support any idea that suicides have increased recently, but even if you did it likely wouldn't mean much. Elvis is ready to commit suicide because he no longer can access cheap Latin American pussy. Anyone that takes such an action over this has some fucked up priorities in life.

Paulie97

07-14-20, 02:26

Yet they are running around terrified of covid that they would not dare go in public without a mask, but carefree when it comes to wearing a helmet that would more than likely save their lives if they got into an accident. Makes absolutely no sense to me. Why do they have this acute fear of what is statistically extremely low, but contempt for what will surely take them out of the game?Because stupidity is timeless, knows no geographic boundaries and cannot be fixed. It's with us, part of the ambience and is something we have to work around, each and every day.

JjBee62

07-14-20, 03:18

In fact, I have had four chicas from four different countries in their 20's tell me that they are absolutely terrified of getting corona and dying, and THAT fear is a fucking conspiracy, and that shit does not wash off easily, and I don't like it when fear porn gets in the way of my getting laid.Four third world hookers all being afraid of the same thing is a conspiracy? Let me guess, all 4 graduated top of their class in medicine from top US universities, they're all experts in infectious disease control and each has won Miss Universe 3 times, but they were disqualified because of panic Democrats.

Maybe I missed the memo on this one. I didn't know that the number.

Black Page

07-14-20, 15:59

Because stupidity is timeless, knows no geographic boundaries and cannot be fixed. It's with us, part of the ambience and is something we have to work around, each and every day.I am sure you know the "Five Fundamental Laws of Stupidity" and you will be delighted by this post from the past, if you missed it at that time:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2355521&viewfull=1#post2355521

Voyajer1

07-14-20, 16:46

That is a great an explanation of Gustos price structure as any as I've seen. You hit the nail on the head, LOL.

I am sure you know the "Five Fundamental Laws of Stupidity" and you will be delighted by this post from the past, if you missed it at that time:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2355521&viewfull=1#post2355521

Paulie97

07-16-20, 18:16

There ya go, a conservative paper and a liberal one, both say the same thing. Covid has brought families together. See below. This pandemic is kid gloves compared to the big boys, the Bubonic Plagues of the Middle Ages and the Yellow Fever epidemics of the 1800's. Anyone beating their wife over this was an idiot to start with. We have to deal with idiots in this world, either put them behind bars, or strap on a tag on their toe and stick them in the ground. Such is life. Man up and accept the hand life has dealt you. You'll be getting enough pussy if you have a few bucks in your pocket. .

https://nypost.com/2020/05/13/coronavirus-pandemic-may-actually-be-bringing-families-together-devine/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/parenting/coronavirus-family-quarantine.html

You are basing marriages and divorces based on what you see in cars driving by. You do not even know if they are married. Google search "divorces during covid". Get real information based on court filings, comments from divorce lawyers, and the increase in Google searches for divorce lawyers. Count them. That is 3 strong sources. That is the example you use for using your personal common sense? Ouch you make my brain hurt.

Also, do a search "domestic violent during covid". Believe me they are related or do you want me to walk you through it. Take note of the "boredom" and "depression" I spoke of earlier.

I said that death by hunger and suicide will increase by nearly 3 times caused directly but mostly indirectly from the virus and then backed up my major points. Most are small points that added up will do the 1000 paper cut deaths. But I can not list all and hardly know but a small percentage. I never said I cared. People die in your town every day that you do not know. Did you go to any of their funerals? No. Why? Simple. You do not know them so you do not care.

JjBee62

07-16-20, 19:46

You are basing marriages and divorces based on what you see in cars driving by. You do not even know if they are married. Google search "divorces during covid". Get real information based on court filings, comments from divorce lawyers, and the increase in Google searches for divorce lawyers. Count them. That is 3 strong sources. That is the example you use for using your personal common sense? Ouch you make my brain hurt.

Also, do a search "domestic violent during covid". Believe me they are related or do you want me to walk you through it. Take note of the "boredom" and "depression" I spoke of earlier.

I said that death by hunger and suicide will increase by nearly 3 times caused directly but mostly indirectly from the virus and then backed up my major points. Most are small points that added up will do the 1000 paper cut deaths. But I can not list all and hardly know but a small percentage. I never said I cared. People die in your town every day that you do not know. Did you go to any of their funerals? No. Why? Simple. You do not know them so you do not care.r.Gee, I missed this entirely. Sorry for the delay.

Do you know the meaning of "anecdotal evidence?" A quick example, if I notice more dead deer on, or next to the highway, that's anecdotal evidence that the local deer population is growing. I'm not submitting research to a peer-reviewed publication on the population growth of deer. I'm just noticing something I've seen and making an assumption.

Tell me, is there a fundamental difference between a couple which lives together and a couple which lives together and is also married? Obviously if they aren't married, no divorce lawyer is contacted. However, divorce statistics are only part of the picture. How many couples have gone from dating to living together? How many have become engaged? How many have sought out marriage counseling? Less I people are getting married at this time, because they want the social event. It doesn't mean they are all breaking up.

Back to divorces, All states require a waiting period to finalize a divorce, minimum of 14 days, up to 6 months for some. Considering the length of time required, you won't have accurate divorce statistics until at least October.

As for an increase in search frequency for divorce lawyers, that is no indication of actual number of divorced filed or granted. Just as an increase in searches for midget porn doesn't mean there's more midget porn.

You said starvation and suicide would increase by 3 times, but you have nothing to back that up. If you look at annual suicide rates, there's no incidence of a drastic increase in suicide rate. Traumatic events, the crash in 2008 cause a short surge in suicides. But when annualized, it becomes a minor increase. Suicide rates have already been increasing every year for some time, at least in the US. They will not triple this year. They will not double. They will not increase by even 25%.

Poverty and hunger will increase. They increase every year. This year they will increase a little more. No tripling. No doubling. No 25% increase. Just another reminder that every year we have a bigger problem that we're going to continue to ignore.

However, you've made all of that irrelevant to this discussion. You said you don't care. If you don't care, you can't use it as an argument to end the shutdown. Divorce, suicide, starvation isn't something you care about. You're not affected. That brings us back to you want to end the shutdown because you don't want things to be shutdown.

All the time you wasted talking about the economy, domestic violence, hunger, etc. Is just garbage, because none of these things are problems you care about. Your only concern is that the shutdown is personally inconveniencing you.

Take a number and wait in line. It's personally inconveniencing everyone.

Fun Luvr

07-16-20, 20:14

There ya go, a conservative paper and a liberal one, both say the same thing. Covid has brought families together. ...Here is a quote from one of those articles "And don't even get me started on the sickening uptick in domestic violence going on worldwide. ".

Without a doubt. Covid19 has had an impact on most people, some positive and some negative. A few weeks ago, less than half a mile from where I live, a man shot and killed his wife and 21 year-old son. The report was he tried to kill another son, but that one escaped. The man claimed he was mentally disturbed from everyone being in his home all the time.

Paulie97

07-16-20, 22:00

Here is a quote from one of those articles "And don't even get me started on the sickening uptick in domestic violence going on worldwide. ".

Without a doubt. Covid19 has had an impact on most people, some positive and some negative. A few weeks ago, less than half a mile from where I live, a man shot and killed his wife and 21 year-old son. The report was he tried to kill another son, but that one escaped. The man claimed he was mentally disturbed from everyone being in his home all the time.Not sure which article you are talking about. If it's the Times I can't read it again without subscribing which I'm not going to do at the moment. Who said these words in quotations, and in what context? It might be as worthless as your anecdote that follows. The theme of both articles was that Covid has brought families closer together, one hyper liberal, one hyper conservative. Here's another with the same sentiments. The fact that some nutjob shot his wife and kid down the street from you a few weeks ago is irrelevant. Shit like that happened before Covid. BTW how is your Sweden experiment going?

https://nypost.com/2020/05/02/nyc-couples-dropping-divorces-while-quarantined-together/

Fun Luvr

07-17-20, 01:36

Not sure which article you are talking about. If it's the Times I can't read it again without subscribing which I'm not going to do at the moment. Who said these words in quotations, and in what context? It might be as worthless as your anecdote that follows. The theme of both articles was that Covid has brought families closer together, one hyper liberal, one hyper conservative. Here's another with the same sentiments. The fact that some nutjob shot his wife and kid down the street from you a few weeks ago is irrelevant. Shit like that happened before Covid. BTW how is your Sweden experiment going?Here is the complete paragraph from the Times article: "Listen, I don't want to downplay how much this pandemic has hurt the world. I've never felt so much uncertainty in my whole life. People are losing family members and friends, along with their livelihoods. And don't even get me started on the sickening uptick in domestic violence going on worldwide. " That is the author's words, in his own context.

The fact that someone killed his wife and son and blamed it on Covid19 is just as relevant as the article by someone who wrote that Covid19 has brought his family closer together. Both are about those individuals' families, not a broader population.

I don't know what you are referring to about "Sweden experiment". I have never posted about only Sweden in any discussion. If you are talking about the group of countries I posted about that did not go into lockdown, there hasn't been any spike in any of those countries and three of the four are still below the world median in percentages of cases and deaths.

Paulie97

07-17-20, 03:32

Are you senile and having trouble following the discussion? He hasn't met his burden of proof regarding domestic violence. I checked Google by his suggestion and the evidience goes the other way. Come back when you have something.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3946-Stupid-shit-in-Medellin&p=2466242#post2466242.

I have no idea if your quote is valid or not, but it's certainly out of context as the theme of the article is that Covid has brought families closer together. You haven't provided any evidence of an uptick in domestic violence, and in fact the lion's share of the anecdotal evidence is that it's gone the other way.

Here is the complete paragraph from the Times article: "Listen, I don't want to downplay how much this pandemic has hurt the world. I've never felt so much uncertainty in my whole life. People are losing family members and friends, along with their livelihoods. And don't even get me started on the sickening uptick in domestic violence going on worldwide. " That is the author's words, in his own context.

The fact that someone killed his wife and son and blamed it on Covid19 is just as relevant as the article by someone who wrote that Covid19 has brought his family closer together. Both are about those individuals' families, not a broader population.

I don't know what you are referring to about "Sweden experiment". I have never posted about only Sweden in any discussion. If you are talking about the group of countries I posted about that did not go into lockdown, there hasn't been any spike in any of those countries and three of the four are still below the world median in percentages of cases and deaths.

Paulie97

07-17-20, 04:16

Also, do a search "domestic violent during covid". Believe me they are related or do you want me to walk you through it.No I don't believe you. You are a monger talking out of your ass, but what else is new? All the evidence I find goes the other way, that COVID is bring families together. Fun Luvr or whatever said a guy down the street from him shot his wife, but that proves nothing, except maybe on a barstool. So back up what you are saying or take a seat. You are the one with the positive claim, so the burden of proof is on you.

LoveItHere69

07-17-20, 20:38

You haven't "backed up" anything, no links, no data, nada, only monger forum pseudo-intellectualism, and that's being generous. This plague is small time compared to the big boys, like the Bubonic Plagues of the Middle Ages or Yellow Fever epidemics of the 19th see. Such happen, are part of recorded history from the beginning like hurricances. You've provided no data to support any idea that suicides have increased recently, but even if you did it likely wouldn't mean much. Elvis is ready to commit suicide because he no longer can access cheap Latin American pussy. Anyone that takes such an action over this has some fucked up priorities in life.Well that did not take long.

FCC unanimously approves 988 as new three-digit suicide prevention hotline.

The vote to create a national three-digit hotline, held Thursday morning, was unanimous among FCC commissioners some of whom acknowledged the strains caused by*the COVID-19 pandemic.

THREE times as many USA Adults reported symptoms of*serious*psychological distress*in April compared with two years earlier, according to*a study*in the medical journal JAMA.

I guess you can say that I am well ahead of the curve.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/16/988-fcc-approves-3-digit-number-new-suicide-prevention-hotline/5451284002/

Paulie97

07-17-20, 23:11

Paulie97

07-17-20, 23:21

JjBee62

07-18-20, 01:53

Well that did not take long.

FCC unanimously approves 988 as new three-digit suicide prevention hotline.

The vote to create a national three-digit hotline, held Thursday morning, was unanimous among FCC commissioners some of whom acknowledged the strains caused by*the COVID-19 pandemic.

THREE times as many USA Adults reported symptoms of*serious*psychological distress*in April compared with two years earlier, according to*a study*in the medical journal JAMA.

I guess you can say that I am well ahead of the curve.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/16/988-fcc-approves-3-digit-number-new-suicide-prevention-hotline/5451284002/That was too easy. Before I begin, I have a question. Do your fingers get stained red when you cherry pick, or do you wear gloves?

Paulie and I don't agree often, but we both recognize a logical fallacy.

Let's start with the suicide hotline. The FCC has been considering the proposal since last August. It won't be fully implemented until 2023. At both ends this eliminates the shutdown as the driving force. It doesn't even get full credit for the unanimous approval, as the protests and riots were mentioned as well. At most the current crisis changed approval to unanimous approval.

I haven't read the study yet, but you screwed the pooch on this one. What were the numbers 1 year ago? What has been the average monthly increase over the 2 year period. The way it's presented insinuates no change for a years, then a sudden threefold increase. Let's leave that at highly unlikely.

But that's not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is your claim the shutdown will triple the number of suicides. Yet, April was at the beginning of the shutdown. That's much too early to assign 100% of the cause to the continuing shutdown.

Of course "serious psychological distress" doesn't equal suicide or even thoughts of suicide. While the pandemic probably was the biggest contributor, there are many different issues. Schools were closed, businesses were closing. The White House was saying everything was under control, when clearly it wasn't. Financial uncertainty. Events cancelled. Sports cancelled.

Sports cancelled.

If you know any sports fans, there's your serious psychological distress.

Sorry, but you weren't ahead of the curve. You just drove off into left field.

JjBee62

07-18-20, 20:01

It's worth noting that there are still people who experience distress over 9/11 after almost 19 years. There are people who experience distress over the Holocaust, who weren't alive at that time. Psychological distress can be triggered by anything, but it's not necessarily a bad thing. In many instances it's a part of the stress release process.

Obviously, the COVID-19, the racial unrest, the shutdown, the economy and everything else are causing distress. However, you're trying to assign "magic pill" status to opening everything back up. That's unwarranted. Here's just one example:

Former game show host and staunch Trump supporter, Chuck Woolery had this to say last Sunday:

"The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most, that we are told to trust. I think it's all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I'm sick of it. ".

Obviously, distressed over the shutdown. Then on Wednesday he had this to say before deactivating his Twitter account:

"To further clarify and add perspective, Covid-19 is real and it is here."

"My son tested positive for the virus, and I feel for of those suffering and especially for those who have lost loved ones. ".

Again, obviously distressed, but now it's over worry about his son, his son's family, perhaps over his own health. At this point, if his son develops symptoms and ends up in the hospital, I suspect he would be more distressed over ending the shutdown. Because at this point, Trump's reelection campaign is far from his thoughts.

If current plans continue school will be in session in about 6 weeks. Assuming nothing changes from where we currently are with the shutdown, it's likely we'll be seeing some bad numbers at that time. Again, I'd love to be wrong. How much psychological distress will there be when kids start coming home with symptoms? Is it just the flu? Is it COVID-19?

My opinion is, if we had stuck to the full lockdown until now, if we had mandated masks for everyone in May, we'd be seeing a light at the end of the tunnel. Instead of pushing close to 1,000 deaths daily, and rising, we'd be counting a few dozen. We'd be in a position to open up, with masks, with reasonable precautions and we could be focusing on contact tracing and isolation protocols.

We didn't do that. We had the President encouraging people to force states to open up. We had the President and Vice President refusing to wear masks. We have and continue to have an active disinformation campaign against using masks, against maintaining social distancing and against taking the virus seriously. When it comes to pandemic response plans, we're off with Alice in Wonderland.

The longer we avoid facing reality, the longer this is going to keep us all from doing what we want.

Elvis 2008

07-18-20, 22:34

The fact that someone killed his wife and son and blamed it on Covid19 is just as relevant as the article by someone who wrote that Covid19 has brought his family closer together. Both are about those individuals' families, not a broader population.
THREE times as many USA Adults reported symptoms of*serious*psychological distress*in April compared with two years earlier, according to*a study*in the medical journal JAMA.

I guess you can say that I am well ahead of the curve.The funny thing about having a global conspiracy is how many foolish people accept it and deny its existence. Two doctors talked about the damaging effects of the lockdown on youtube and got 5 million plus views. This is what companies like google / you tube are supposed to want, a video driving traffic to their site.

It was taken down because google said that you tube would not show videos in opposition to the WHO platform. That is how governments censor. They go after private companies that give the citizens a platform. That is when I knew something was up. Someone actually posted a video of google management having a meeting with its employees on the day Trump lost and Hiliary won. It had the atmosphere of a funeral.

Gaining control is ridiculously simple. You take people's freedoms away and get yourself power through fear. The government scares us and then we concede power to them in order for them to protect us. I cannot remember one time where we should have feared the thing the government scared us about more than the government itself. Since 9/11, it has been security, security, security. Eric Snowden came across a document that only a very few in government were allowed to see. It pretty much ruined the USA as a republic and made us it into a dictatorship. Of course, he was deemed a traitor and is holed up in Russia. People do not even know why. He was supposed to be a threat to the American citizens yet no one has died at the hands of information Snowden released.

What Snowden said was that the document that invalidated the constitution was designed to protect us from terrorism. In reality, it did nothing for terrorism but was great to fight descent. This document invalidated the USA Constitution, the blueprint for the greatest form of government ever created not perfect but greatest. It has gotten so bad that whenever anyone mentions having civil rights, it is presumed the person is guilty or doing something wrong. Snowden, who literally put his life on the line for freedom, has been exiled, and the powers that be, the dictators, would love to try him not with a jury of his peers, no the powers that be would never allow that, but in a military tribunal that the elitist's controls.

So when I say there is a global conspiracy based on the fact that four educated women in four different countries are terrified of dying from Covid when they are in their 20's and have little to fear, shouldn't we be worried again that global elites are pushing an agenda to enrich their power at the cost of our freedom once again?

No, of course not. One guy says the women are just stupid and for some reason, they are stupid because he knows a woman in Thailand who does not wear a helmet and is stupid and therefore these four women in four different countries must be stupid. I am a loser for knowing these women somehow, and instead of anyone recognizing how illogical and ridiculous this was, there was a piling on effect by other guys.

In reality, if any of these men met said women, they would be drooling all over them. The truth is if you want a truly stupid woman. You would ask, "Are you afraid of Covid? And they would respond, "Covid? What is that?

The new world order is a global elitist dictatorship, and if these guys cannot see that, then that is their problem. It is a waste of time debating them and raising objections to the elite manipulation. They refuse to believe the global elitists could be incompetent or acting in their own self interests despite the abundant evidence otherwise.

Nounce

07-19-20, 00:59

The longer we avoid facing reality, the longer this is going to keep us all from doing what we want.What is reality? Is freedom or privacy more important than lives? It seems to me people can't agree on what is more important to make the sacrifice. Which government do you think care more about their people's lives? The countries with less deaths or the countries with more deaths?

Zeos1

07-19-20, 03:26

The funny thing about having a global conspiracy is how many foolish people accept it and deny its existence. Two doctors talked about the damaging effects of the lockdown on youtube and got 5 million plus views. This is what companies like google / you tube are supposed to want, a video driving traffic to their site.

It was taken down because google said that you tube would not show videos in opposition to the WHO platform. That is how governments censor. They go after private companies that give the citizens a platform. That is when I knew something was up. Someone actually posted a video of google management having a meeting with its employees on the day Trump lost and Hiliary won. It had the atmosphere of a funeral.

Gaining control is ridiculously simple. You take people's freedoms away and get yourself power through fear. The government scares us and then we concede power to them in order for them to protect us. I cannot remember one time where we should have feared the thing the government scared us about more than the government itself. Since 9/11, it has been security, security, security. Eric Snowden came across a document that only a very few in government were allowed to see. It pretty much ruined the USA as a republic and made us it into a dictatorship. Of course, he was deemed a traitor and is holed up in Russia. People do not even know why. He was supposed to be a threat to the American citizens yet no one has died at the hands of information Snowden released.

What Snowden said was that the document that invalidated the constitution was designed to protect us from terrorism. In reality, it did nothing for terrorism but was great to fight descent. This document invalidated the USA Constitution, the blueprint for the greatest form of government ever created not perfect but greatest. It has gotten so bad that whenever anyone mentions having civil rights, it is presumed the person is guilty or doing something wrong. Snowden, who literally put his life on the line for freedom, has been exiled, and the powers that be, the dictators, would love to try him not with a jury of his peers, no the powers that be would never allow that, but in a military tribunal that the elitist's controls.

So when I say there is a global conspiracy based on the fact that four educated women in four different countries are terrified of dying from Covid when they are in their 20's and have little to fear, shouldn't we be worried again that global elites are pushing an agenda to enrich their power at the cost of our freedom once again?

No, of course not. One guy says the women are just stupid and for some reason, they are stupid because he knows a woman in Thailand who does not wear a helmet and is stupid and therefore these four women in four different countries must be stupid. I am a loser for knowing these women somehow, and instead of anyone recognizing how illogical and ridiculous this was, there was a piling on effect by other guys.

In reality, if any of these men met said women, they would be drooling all over them. The truth is if you want a truly stupid woman. You would ask, "Are you afraid of Covid? And they would respond, "Covid? What is that?

The new world order is a global elitist dictatorship, and if these guys cannot see that, then that is their problem. It is a waste of time debating them and raising objections to the elite manipulation. They refuse to believe the global elitists could be incompetent or acting in their own self interests despite the abundant evidence otherwise.Unbelievable that someone could buy into this sort of "global conspiracy to take away freedom". And while it is happening under Trump, it is not universal under other democracies.

Covid is a virus, the people with knowledge of the science are giving the best advice they can, and most governments in the world are trying to balance the deaths and destruction of the virus against the damages being done to their economies. With the US being a big exception. No balance there, everything politicized and divided, rudderless.

Mr Enternational

07-19-20, 05:20

Mr Enternational

07-19-20, 05:30

Unbelievable that someone could buy into this sort of "global conspiracy to take away freedom".When this kind of stuff is said they can not actually mean global. Most people that talk this kind of shit have never even been anywhere to experience how other countries on the globe function. When the shit happened here in Thailand they went into action and shut everything down. It was mandated that everyone must wear masks outside or there was a fine and/or jail time. There was a curfew put into place and people could not congregate in groups. 58 people died. There are just over 3,000 documented cases, with half of those coming from Thais that have been arriving back home from other countries. Now nobody has the virus and almost everything (except for big sports venues) is back open. So much for the GLOBAL conspiracy to take away freedom.

JjBee62

07-19-20, 06:38

When this kind of stuff is said they can not actually mean global. Most people that talk this kind of shit have never even been anywhere to experience how other countries on the globe function. When the shit happened here in Thailand they went into action and shut everything down. It was mandated that everyone must wear masks outside or there was a fine and/or jail time. There was a curfew put into place and people could not congregate in groups. 58 people died. There are just over 3,000 documented cases, with half of those coming from Thais that have been arriving back home from other countries. Now nobody has the virus and almost everything (except for big sports venues) is back open. So much for the GLOBAL conspiracy to take away freedom.The problem with every conspiracy theory is they require much more than any of the conspiracy theorist can fathom in order to work. In this case, every employee, in every hospital, every family member, friend and co-worker of every victim, every funeral director, every company that makes caskets. All of them have to coordinate together to craft a consistent story. That's in virtually every country around the world. Next add in every business owner, from the mom and pop restaurant to the largest corporations in the world, all agreeing to voluntarily shut down, all with the singular goal of getting Trump out of office.

That's billions of people, all secretly communicating and coordinating and keeping the secrets.

Sure thing.

JjBee62

07-19-20, 17:10

What is reality? Is freedom or privacy more important than lives? It seems to me people can't agree on what is more important to make the sacrifice. Which government do you think care more about their people's lives? The countries with less deaths or the countries with more deaths?Reality is what remains when you take away the filters of perception and prejudice. Watch any video of a confrontation. Now read the comments. It's hard to believe everyone watched the same thing, because responses vary widely. Everything we see is altered by our perception.

A girl I know in Medellin wanted to know if I knew anything that would remove a scar. The scar is 5 inches long and almost an inch wide in the middle. It's in an obvious spot and I never noticed it before. Now it's the first thing I notice. Perception.

Viruses don't have perception. They deal with simple reality. Liberal, conservative, young or old, the virus can't tell the difference. All it knows is whether or not it's found a host.

That's reality. There's a virus. It's real. It's potentially deadly. It's contagious. It's a serious problem. We can argue over how deadly, or how contagious, but reality and the virus aren't listening.

Privacy, like justice is a human construct. It's a matter of perception. Each of us has different beliefs about our own privacy. That makes it hard to discuss objectively.

Freedom is another story. You're free to do anything you want to do. Anything you can imagine, you have the freedom to try. If you want to fly to Medellin today, you can do it, or make the attempt. What's always misunderstood is that your freedom doesn't obligate anyone else. You're free to not wear a mask, but the store isn't required to let you in. You're free to practice your religion, but you're not free to force others to practice it.

Each government takes action based upon the voices that government listens to. Some listen to the citizens, some listen to the scientists, some listen to the corporations. Some appear to be listening to the voices in their heads.

What's more important to sacrifice? Human life or the economy? That's the choice that people keep tossing out. However, you're really sacrificing both. Damage to the economy affects human life. Massive loss of human life hurts the economy.

My view is that the economy isn't something you can kill. No matter how long things are shutdown the economy will recover. Not only does it recover, boom times follow. The Renaissance followed the black death. The roaring 20's followed the Spanish influenza.

People, on the other hand, don't recover from death. Six months from now they won't be digging themselves out of the graves and celebrating.

DramaFree11

07-20-20, 01:06

Reality is what remains when you take away the filters of perception and prejudice. Watch any video of a confrontation. Now read the comments. It's hard to believe everyone watched the same thing, because responses vary widely. Everything we see is altered by our perception.

A girl I know in Medellin wanted to know if I knew anything that would remove a scar. The scar is 5 inches long and almost an inch wide in the middle. It's in an obvious spot and I never noticed it before. Now it's the first thing I notice. Perception.

Viruses don't have perception. They deal with simple reality. Liberal, conservative, young or old, the virus can't tell the difference. All it knows is whether or not it's found a host.

That's reality. There's a virus. It's real. It's potentially deadly. It's contagious. It's a serious problem. We can argue over how deadly, or how contagious, but reality and the virus aren't listening.

Privacy, like justice is a human construct. It's a matter of perception. Each of us has different beliefs about our own privacy. That makes it hard to discuss objectively.Great report, but I have to disagree on the economies recovery. I think some counties may not recover or it will take years. I honestly feel when it is all said and done the financial issues will end up be much worse then the actual virus. Especially is the media keeps lying.

Nounce

07-20-20, 04:42

Reality is what remains when you take away the filters of perception and prejudice. Watch any video of a confrontation. Now read the comments. It's hard to believe everyone watched the same thing, because responses vary widely. Everything we see is altered by our perception.

A girl I know in Medellin wanted to know if I knew anything that would remove a scar. The scar is 5 inches long and almost an inch wide in the middle. It's in an obvious spot and I never noticed it before. Now it's the first thing I notice. Perception.
I think you will like the way the governor explaining thing using numbers

https://twitter.com/tatereeves/status/1282783825219682304

There is a school of thought in science that builds a model for reality based on observation. Stephen Hawking is one of the scientists who use this approach. When the model is successful in explaining everything then it is considered to be true.

Do you think Americans stranded in communist countries like Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, or even China are in a hurry go back to US now? The answer can be either way but I think it shows the irony in that people have more freedom because they are willing to sacrifice some freedom.

Nounce

07-20-20, 05:32

Great report, but I have to disagree on the economies recovery. I think some counties may not recover or it will take years. I honestly feel when it is all said and done the financial issues will end up be much worse then the actual virus. Especially is the media keeps lying.I think there will be a lot of people out of jobs until they update their skills if there are still jobs for them. Many people are already saying that the we are going thru a huge wealth transfer so the economy won't be the same.

Just look at college towns. They will all be empty this coming year. The landlord won't have rental income. This will be at least a year, and not to mention the quality of the education will suffer as well.

Mr Enternational

07-20-20, 05:45

Do you think Americans stranded in communist countries like Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, or even China are in a hurry go back to US now? The answer can be either way but I think it shows the irony in that people have more freedom because they are willing to sacrifice some freedom.No. Because we are only visitors in these places, which is much different from being a citizen. Here in Thailand I don't have to worry about some things the government may pass because I am not a part of Thai society. I don't have to worry about being held back and not being able to make enough money.

Big thing here is that it is illegal to talk bad about Thai royalty. You will be thrown in jail. Besides that, I pay my rent and wake up and go about my day without any thought of the governmental or social structure in the country. And I can leave anytime. I am basically a fly on the wall and as long as nobody tries to swat me or shoo me away I am fine. I do not exist with the same worries as a normal citizen does.

Nounce

07-20-20, 05:54

No. Because we are only visitors in these places, which is much different from being a citizen. Here in Thailand I don't have to worry about some things the government may pass because I am not a part of Thai society. I don't have to worry about being held back and not being able to make enough money. Big thing here is that it is illegal to talk bad about Thai royalty. You will be thrown in jail. Besides that, I pay my rent and wake up and go about my day without any thought of the governmental or social structure in the country. And I can leave anytime. I am basically a fly on the wall and as long as nobody tries to swat me or shoo me away I am fine. I do not exist with the same worries as a normal citizen does.But you do have to follow the law which may limit your privacy, and freedom. This is the point I am trying to get to. I happen to observe Americans don't want to go back to US even when flight is available. Especially many will reach the 180 days visa limit soon and they are complaining they have to leave but won't be allowed to do visa run because of entry ban.

Mr Enternational

07-20-20, 06:16

But you do have to follow the law which may limit your privacy, and freedom. This is the point I am trying to get to.I think that Americans mistake the tolerance the government gives them to complain with freedom and privacy. I saw a meme yesterday that the government assigned numbers to each American, they make them pay taxes every year, etc. And they think they are free and have privacy? Funny.

I was messing with a chick here in April but she disappeared. The other day she hit me up. I asked what happened. She said she was in jail. Said the police picked her up at a hotel in Bangkok. I said how did they know where you were. She said because of her cell phone. Same thing in America.

Elvis 2008

07-20-20, 13:44

I think that Americans mistake the tolerance the government gives them to complain with freedom and privacy.The tolerance the government gives them? Are you an American? Really?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Any idea what the quote above is?

Mr Enternational

07-20-20, 20:07

The tolerance the government gives them? Are you an American? Really?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Any idea what the quote above is?Well it seems the word was not passed that Breonna Taylor had that right seeing that she was barged in on and killed while she was peacefully sleeping in her own house. Word also must not have been received that Japanese Americans had that right before being thrown into internment camps. Then I remember Julius and Ethel Rosenburg who did not get that right. Central Park 5? That right got skipped right over them. Yes I said tolerance. You get what they want you to have when they want you to have it.

Damn. I almost forgot about the Patriot Act which wanted to formally throw that right right out the window! "Two provisions of the USA Patriot Act are unconstitutional because they allow search warrants to be issued without a showing of probable cause, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.Sep 27, 2007"

JjBee62

07-20-20, 21:34

Great report, but I have to disagree on the economies recovery. I think some counties may not recover or it will take years. I honestly feel when it is all said and done the financial issues will end up be much worse then the actual virus. Especially is the media keeps lying.As long as there are people left alive, there will be an economy. The further it gets knocked down the quicker it recovers. Look at 2008. It took less than 2 years to begin to recover and 5 years for an almost complete recovery.

The financial issues exist either way. What's the patient burden for a 45 day ICU stay, in the US? $200 k? $500 k? What's the cost to a company forced to shutdown because too many employees are sick? What's the hit to state tax revenues when people aren't spending money?

JjBee62

07-20-20, 21:38

I think that Americans mistake the tolerance the government gives them to complain with freedom and privacy. I saw a meme yesterday that the government assigned numbers to each American, they make them pay taxes every year, etc. And they think they are free and have privacy? Funny.

I was messing with a chick here in April but she disappeared. The other day she hit me up. I asked what happened. She said she was in jail. Said the police picked her up at a hotel in Bangkok. I said how did they know where you were. She said because of her cell phone. Same thing in America.Heck, way back in 1982 the cops found me at the laundromat and literally nobody who knew me, knew I was doing laundry that day. Granted, I'm sure my buddy, or accomplice, gave them my name and a description of my truck, but it sure didn't take them long to find me.

George90

07-20-20, 21:41

JjBee62

07-20-20, 21:49

Well it seems the word was not passed that Breonna Taylor had that right seeing that she was barged in on and killed while she was peacefully sleeping in her own house. Word also must not have been received that Japanese Americans had that right before being thrown into internment camps. Then I remember Julius and Ethel Rosenburg who did not get that right. Central Park 5? That right got skipped right over them. Yes I said tolerance. You get what they want you to have when they want you to have it.

Damn. I almost forgot about the Patriot Act which wanted to formally throw that right right out the window! "Two provisions of the USA Patriot Act are unconstitutional because they allow search warrants to be issued without a showing of probable cause, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.Sep 27, 2007"Let's not forget RICO from the early 80's. Pretty much granted unlimited search and seizure for anything which could in any way he connected to organized crime.

DEA brought the dogs onboard a NOAA (National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration) research ship, found one crew member had brought a joint aboard, so they took possession of the ship. It was legally theirs, because one guy had a joint and drugs are considered organized crime. Fortunately, someone stepped in and returned the ship to the NOAA.

Probable cause has been extended to be anything. All the officer needs to say is, "I smelled marijuana", or alcohol. Anyone who thinks the Fourth Amendment is alive and well, has been living under a rock.

Elvis 2008

07-20-20, 22:59

Mr Enternational

07-21-20, 04:37

LOL. I am completely confused. You just listed a bunch of government conspiracies, but there is not one going on right now with Covid?I did not list any conspiracies. I listed people that got fucked over with a right they supposedly had.

JjBee62

07-21-20, 05:16

I did not list any conspiracies. I listed people that got fucked over with a right they supposedly had.Sorry, I wasn't paying attention, or I would have translated that for you.

Anything which goes against Elvirus' current "theory" is a conspiracy. If Elvirus goes to McDonald's and orders a Big Mac without onions, if he finds any onions, or believes that onions were possibly put on and removed, it's because the liberals are trying to poison him and blame it on Trump in order to implicate a few right wing crackpots in Bulgaria as friends of Jeffrey Epstein. He will then point out that apple pie is popular in Ecuador, proving conclusively that Biden, Clinton, or Obama is actually a Russian secret agent attempting to steal the secret recipe from KFC in order to bring about the downfall of Democracy and keep him from having a date with 6 current South American Miss Universe contestants.

Does it make sense now?

Elvis 2008

07-21-20, 05:17

I did not list any conspiracies.It actually helps if you know what words mean. In the case of conspiracy, the word means "a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose."

Black Page

07-21-20, 11:24

The strategy these days for the left since March. Put out a death estimate, wait 2-3 weeks. Add xx,000 to the previous number, add 1-2 months and repeat. In March it was 100,000 deaths by May, then 120,000 by June, then 150,000 by August, and now the most recent one yesterday was 208,000 by November. At some point you just have to wonder, do they think we haven't figured it out, or won't be able to? People are tired of the negativity and want to get back to normal, not the "new normal" the old normal that can be improved upon when it comes to health. And Dr. Fauci has been wrong every single time since March, even he looks like he wants to just move forward because he doesn't like to be wrong.

As of today, July 8, it is 134,027 deaths in USA (including those who take chloroquine or bleach) and 547,632 in the world.
3 M detected cases in USA over a population of 328 M is less than 1%, so there is still a big improvement margin available for Dem plots and fake news.
Latest update from USA (20/07/2020):
Total deaths: 143,834 (recent rate: +500 to +1000 per day).
Total cases: 3,961,429 (recent rate: +60k to +70k per day).

It looks like 150k deaths will be hit before August, and silencing Fauci does not seem an effective strategy to contain the virus spread.

The Tall Man

07-21-20, 17:03

Latest update from USA (20/07/2020):
Total deaths: 143,834 (recent rate: +500 to +1000 per day).
Total cases: 3,961,429 (recent rate: +60k to +70k per day).

It looks like 150k deaths will be hit before August, and silencing Fauci does not seem an effective strategy to contain the virus spread.Is it just me that feels a little down and out because I have not had the virus yet. Hundreds of thousands a day in the world get it and it's like there is a major great party but I was not invited to it.

This China virus is talked about often but I still have yet to know of one person directly that has been infected, it is always a friend of a friend, what's up with that, but yet still I feel like I am the freckled face red-haired stepson who did not get invited to the CV party band wagon.

Just my rant for this day after spending over 4 months in quarantine.

The Tall Man.

Knowledge

07-21-20, 20:16

How do you know you have not had the virus yet? Have you been tested even once?

Is it just me that feels a little down and out because I have not had the virus yet. Hundreds of thousands a day in the world get it and it's like there is a major great party but I was not invited to it.

This China virus is talked about often but I still have yet to know of one person directly that has been infected, it is always a friend of a friend, what's up with that, but yet still I feel like I am the freckled face red-haired stepson who did not get invited to the CV party band wagon.

Just my rant for this day after spending over 4 months in quarantine.

The Tall Man.

JjBee62

07-21-20, 22:27

Is it just me that feels a little down and out because I have not had the virus yet. Hundreds of thousands a day in the world get it and it's like there is a major great party but I was not invited to it.

This China virus is talked about often but I still have yet to know of one person directly that has been infected, it is always a friend of a friend, what's up with that, but yet still I feel like I am the freckled face red-haired stepson who did not get invited to the CV party band wagon.

Just my rant for this day after spending over 4 months in quarantine.

The Tall Man.I'm not certain it's a party you want to be invited to. My sister spent 3 months working with patients who were invited to the party in NYC. After a much needed break she will be headed off soon to wherever the current worst hotspot is, probably Florida.

My friend, also a nurse has been dealing with the uncounted cases inside the department of corrections. She was the biggest skeptic about the virus. Right up to the day when she suddenly had to look it in the eye. Last month I watched her kick one of her oldest friends out of her life because the former friend kept claiming it's all a hoax. Don't tell a nurse, who has been pulling 80 hour weeks for 2 months that the disease she's been dealing with is a hoax.

My old highschool classmate, another nurse, watched half of her patients die over a 6 week period. Now she's wondering if her daughter-in-law will survive, wondering if her and her husband will be headed to the hospital.

If you know of absolutely no one who has been affected, consider yourself lucky. I predict that will come to an end before the end of August, probably sooner.

I'm not living in fear. I'm working 6 days a week. If I could I'd probably be working 7 because I just found out yesterday one of our other guys is out with it. We just got the news last week that another guy won't be coming back. He survived, but he's not expecting to be able to work again for several months. The new guy, I don't expect to survive. He's a poster child for pre-existing conditions and his wife is just as bad.

Meanwhile, I put on a mask. I keep my distance. And I pay attention to the doctors and scientists while ignoring the talking heads.

Balboa

07-22-20, 07:20

I'm not certain it's a party you want to be invited to. My sister spent 3 months working with patients who were invited to the party in NYC. After a much needed break she will be headed off soon to wherever the current worst hotspot is, probably Florida.

My friend, also a nurse has been dealing with the uncounted cases inside the department of corrections. She was the biggest skeptic about the virus. Right up to the day when she suddenly had to look it in the eye. Last month I watched her kick one of her oldest friends out of her life because the former friend kept claiming it's all a hoax. Don't tell a nurse, who has been pulling 80 hour weeks for 2 months that the disease she's been dealing with is a hoax.

My old highschool classmate, another nurse, watched half of her patients die over a 6 week period. Now she's wondering if her daughter-in-law will survive, wondering if her and her husband will be headed to the hospital.

If you know of absolutely no one who has been affected, consider yourself lucky. I predict that will come to an end before the end of August, probably sooner..As I posted earlier, I was invited to the party (virus), and though it wasn't enjoyable, it definitely wasn't even close to life threatening, not even go to the hospital threatening.

I consider myself fortunate, yes.

Of course the virus kills, and that's horrible.

The vast majority though, just like me, get thru it relatively easy.

Social distance, mask up, pray for an effective vaccine.

Paulie97

07-22-20, 07:27

Is it just me that feels a little down and out because I have not had the virus yet. Hundreds of thousands a day in the world get it and it's like there is a major great party but I was not invited to it.The Tall Man.You wanted to fight the Fase Dos bouncer crew. Get on that party and the virus as well. There's nothing like reality to make a believer out of a man.

Paulie97

07-22-20, 08:05

The problem with every conspiracy theory is they require much more than any of the conspiracy theorist can fathom in order to work. In this case, every employee, in every hospital, every family member, friend and co-worker of every victim, every funeral director, every company that makes caskets. All of them have to coordinate together to craft a consistent story. That's in virtually every country around the world. Next add in every business owner, from the mom and pop restaurant to the largest corporations in the world, all agreeing to voluntarily shut down, all with the singular goal of getting Trump out of office.

That's billions of people, all secretly communicating and coordinating and keeping the secrets.

Sure thing.That's called common sense.

Black Page

07-22-20, 09:11

JjBee62

07-23-20, 14:51

99.5%. There is hardly a chick that is not a hooker that is going to be doing shit like that for a guy she has not even met. And to have found an entire nest of them? It is funny how he thinks they are doing these things because of how he is playing the game. As if he is talking a duck into acting like a duck.

I have been doing this new thing with chicks that I have been seeing on dating sites. If I can tell they are pretty much a hooker then I will ask what they are looking for. Of course they come with the serious relationship stuff first. Then I will tell them sorry, I am only looking for a fling. The hookers will say tell me more. The serious chicks will wish me good luck.Man,

I wish I had your skills. I can't imagine what it must be like to state things with 99.5% certainty on subjects you know almost nothing about. What I can't figure out is why you're wasting such godlike powers here? Shit, if I could approach any subject I'm ignorant on and immediately comprehend 99.5% of it, Bezos would be my pool boy.

Let's forget for a moment that (as I've mentioned several times) I've been chatting with considerable success, for 30 years. By considerable success, I'm referring to talking to a complete stranger online and turning it into a face-to-face meeting. It's downright fucking bizarre that something you claim to do all the time on dating sites, nobody else is able to duplicate without you being 99.5% certain they're full of shit.

It's really simple. You talk to people. You find out what motivates them and you use what you learn. Isn't that what you're, according to your reports, always doing? I was doing it online back when you were still waiting to be 12th man in on the girl your roommate was pimping out.

Although you went with 99.5%, this time you're 100% wrong. You're mistaking a simple quid pro quo with prostitution. Which, if we're going to go that route, every woman you've so much as let use your shower after sex was clearly a prostitute. You've had sex with her and given her something of value.

Let's pretend for a moment that every woman in the world isn't a prostitute. Clearly, most of the women you've had sex with are already excluded from the prostitution list. Let's just imagine other women exist who aren't prostitutes.

What do they want? In this little fantasy I'm constructing for you they aren't locked into the decision between sex with Mr. Enternational, which they're willing to pay for, and sex with anyone else, who they require payment from. They actually have the option of having sex with whoever they choose, for whatever reason they want. What motivates them? Certainty, once they become aware of your existence, all thoughts of sex with anyone else, without payment, evaporate, but some women have never even heard of you.

We know they're fucking, but why? I realize you're still grappling with the concept of women who aren't aware of your existence, so I'll take this slowly. Maybe. Just maybe. Some women enjoy sex, even if you or money aren't involved. Take a few deep breaths to steady yourself. I know that was a blow to your ego. Better? It's even possible that most women enjoy sex. Although it's probably just because they're all fantasizing that they're having sex with you.

If women like sex, it seems likely anyone who can discuss sex in a way that appeals to women, should be able to get women to do whatever he wants. Even if they aren't prostitutes.

The question I have for you is why would I bother? I've contact with about 450 prostitutes in Colombia. I could easily raise that to 1,000 in a few weeks. I've bought videos from several and written about it. Why would I go to the trouble of writing porn and sending it to the same women I already bought videos from and then claim the videos I already said I bought were given to me?

Gringo Trooper

07-26-20, 00:30

LeyenLouvain

07-26-20, 13:39

If women like sex, it seems likely anyone who can discuss sex in a way that appeals to women, should be able to get women to do whatever he wants. Even if they aren't prostitutes.
The third screenshot. Wow. Thanks for sharing.

Paulie97

07-26-20, 15:04

Bigfoot, alien abductions, the Moon Landing Hoax, etc. All have fans proving that many Americans aren't the brightest bulbs in the box.

In Florida, I believe the #'s are inflated. People check in at a free testing drive thru, and decide waiting for 4 hours in line to get the test isn't worth it. So, they leave without getting a test, yet a few days later they get a call that they tested positive.Please cite your source for this information, and no some guy at a bar or on a monger board doesn't count. If this is true then you are accusing testing entities like eNorth of committing mass fraud. And they don't make "calls" but send an email, then one logs into their account and views the lab report.

https://etruenorth.com/

Also many locales in the US have been pushed to capacity for morgue space and have had to use refrigerated trucks for storage, just like in Italy, Brazil and others. This is the present situation in Houston. Many overwhelmed ER docs have been on the news begging people to take precautions. Are they frauds also? Amazing that they would violate their Hippocratic oaths and risk the careers they worked so hard for perpetuating such frauds. And for what reason? Hospitalization rates are spiking in several areas of the US, as are Covid related deaths.

https://covidtracking.com/data/state/arizona

https://covidtracking.com/data/state/florida

https://covidtracking.com/data/state/texas

In Florida, 56 hospital ICUs are currently at capacity.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/48-florida-hospitals-at-icu-capacity.html

This is up from the 40 on July 10.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-hospitals-max-out-icu-coronavirus

There's nothing like real evidence to put to bed idle talk.

This and more has already been covered on this thread, and the arguments about economies, suicide risks, etc. All have been addressed as well and found wanting. It's all here. I'm not doing it all over for every monger that comes along that can't be bothered with reading the whole discussion. They are all yours JJBee62. Ya can't fix stupid, but thankfully you can do a lot to work around it.

Elvis 2008

07-26-20, 15:12

I agree with TTM's statement.

In Florida, I believe the #'s are inflated. People check in at a free testing drive thru, and decide waiting for 4 hours in line to get the test isn't worth it. So, they leave without getting a test, yet a few days later they get a call that they tested positive.

I had the Rona, and thankfully it was more mild than the flu for me, I just pounded DayQuil because I had an infrequent dry cough.

Yes, the Rona is real, however the mortality rate is something like. 2/. 3%.

I think the leaders in South America have so much misinformation, on top of people from South America believing everything they see on the news, and then leaders in places like MDE make people stay at home for days.

It is just going to crush South American economies, but what can ya do. See'est la vie.GT,

I have been pounding JJBee and the fake numbers for the longest time. He goes off on anecdotal evidence that someone else supplies than goes off on and tells how everyone he knows has been affected by Corona. He did the same thing with AIDS. He knew 1000's of people who died with AIDS.

You are right. The numbers are bullshit. The mortality rate was way overstated. I never thought Corona was a hoax but an exaggeration. I know dozens of people who have it. What I have seen in my life is that when you give people in authority a way to politically cover themselves and a chance to take on more power, they will jump in with both feet. The designation of what businesses were essential and not was the chance for bureaucrats to play king maker, and they loved it. In addition, they had press conferences where they got precious air time, and business leaders had to stand and give these bureaucrats what they all crave: complete submission. Also, all the mistakes with Covid have been swept under the rug.

It wasn't hard for me to believe that this was more bullshit after seeing what I did with AIDS and the opioid crisis. The heterosexual AIDS crisis was pure bullshit, and the opioid crisis was not one until the DEA got involved. Every year, there are more and more overdose deaths, and it is the fault of everyone but the federal government who is responsible for it. These were complete full blown conspiracies. The truth is the DEA went after prescription opioids because it was losing money from all its pot seizures once pot was legalized. 90% of the world's heroin is grown right under the eyes of the USA Military in Afghanistan. The Taliban could cut heroin production but our military is powerless to stop it? Bullshit!

So the federal government has cried wolf so many times that it was easy for me to believe it was doing so again. Thing is I was discussing Covid with someone and he reminded me that unlike the Hong Kong flu in 1968, the hospitals were not full, and I had to admit he was right. It does not take much to expand hospital capacity as we saw in New York, but in Italy, there was an issue with too few ventilators. You remember the we are running out of ventilators and the flatten the curve bullshit everyone has forgot about?

It is that kind of stuff along with the CDC doing a 180 on masks, and the social distancing crap that grinds my gears. Social distancing was put in place to track people via their cell phones. You need six feet for the GPS to be accurate with contact tracing. The notion you can catch Covid from someone if you stand 4 feet from them and not 6 from them in a line at Walmart is more bullshit.

One of the other issues, and you will not hear this anywhere else, is that doctors were probably too quick to put patients on ventilators. Once patients were on ventilators, their prognosis went way down. Covid is more a problem with oxygention than ventilation.

The other big thing are blood clots. A lot of Covid patients have renal issues from blood clots. In fact, the low oxygen associated with Covid is probably more often due to blood clots than the Covid pneumonia. The mortality rate is lower mostly from the use of immunosuppresants like HCQ, dexamethasone, and the frequent use of heparin. I have not seen the Covid mortality rate decreasing discussed nearly as often as it should be.

Again, I would have emphasized hospitalizations and the lack of beds, which is easily verified, available over death data which is easily manipulated, and the government frequently manipulates death data to enrich itself power wise. What causes death is a misnomer. Usually, it is a combination of things but the government likes to list one cause of death, and it gave financial incentive health care providers to list Covid as cause of death.

The mathematical projections were wrong as they always are because humans learn how to handle things better. The 3. 5% mortality rate as estimated by the WHO was patently absurd, and all other death projections were way off.

Still, I cannot argue with the hospital rates. That is true, and no other flu virus save for the 1918 pandemic has put so many people in the hospital. Frequent testing and isolation does work to slow the virus as does keeping people from gathering in large groups especially for prolonged periods of time.

Could the economies have been saved? I think now that there was going to be a hit no matter what, but it didn't have to be as bad as it did. South America is proof that huge lockdowns did more damage to the economy than they did in halting the spread of the virus.

Given how badly the leaders in this crisis have fucked up, I think anyone who is not cynical should be. I cannot stand the notion that questioning leadership is somehow unpatriotic. The shame of it all is that like all other times I have seen the federal government bureaucracy screw up, no one is going to be held accountable and responsible for all the mistakes that were made.

DramaFree11

07-26-20, 16:05

JjBee62

07-26-20, 19:56

GT,

I have been pounding JJBee and the fake numbers for the longest time. He goes off on anecdotal evidence that someone else supplies than goes off on and tells how everyone he knows has been affected by Corona. He did the same thing with AIDS. He knew 1000's of people who died with AIDS.

You are right. The numbers are bullshit. The mortality rate was way overstated. I never thought Corona was a hoax but an exaggeration. I know dozens of people who have it. What I have seen in my life is that when you give people in authority a way to politically cover themselves and a chance to take on more power, they will jump in with both feet. The designation of what businesses were essential and not was the chance for bureaucrats to play king maker, and they loved it. In addition, they had press conferences where they got precious air time, and business leaders had to stand and give these bureaucrats what they all crave: complete submission. Also, all the mistakes with Covid have been swept under the rug.

It wasn't hard for me to believe that this was more bullshit after seeing what I did with AIDS and the opioid crisis. The heterosexual AIDS crisis was pure bullshit, and the opioid crisis was not one until the DEA got involved. Every year, there are more and more overdose deaths, and it is the fault of everyone but the federal government who is responsible for it. These were complete full blown conspiracies. The truth is the DEA went after prescription opioids because it was losing money from all its pot seizures once pot was legalized. 90% of the world's heroin is grown right under the eyes of the USA Military in Afghanistan. The Taliban could cut heroin production but our military is powerless to stop it? Bullshit!

So the federal government has cried wolf so many times that it was easy for me to believe it was doing so again. Thing is I was discussing Covid with someone and he reminded me that unlike the Hong Kong flu in 1968, the hospitals were not full, and I had to admit he was right. It does not take much to expand hospital capacity as we saw in New York, but in Italy, there was an issue with too few ventilators. You remember the we are running out of ventilators and the flatten the curve bullshit everyone has forgot about?

It is that kind of stuff along with the CDC doing a 180 on masks, and the social distancing crap that grinds my gears. Social distancing was put in place to track people via their cell phones. You need six feet for the GPS to be accurate with contact tracing. The notion you can catch Covid from someone if you stand 4 feet from them and not 6 from them in a line at Walmart is more bullshit.

One of the other issues, and you will not hear this anywhere else, is that doctors were probably too quick to put patients on ventilators. Once patients were on ventilators, their prognosis went way down. Covid is more a problem with oxygention than ventilation.

The other big thing are blood clots. A lot of Covid patients have renal issues from blood clots. In fact, the low oxygen associated with Covid is probably more often due to blood clots than the Covid pneumonia. The mortality rate is lower mostly from the use of immunosuppresants like HCQ, dexamethasone, and the frequent use of heparin. I have not seen the Covid mortality rate decreasing discussed nearly as often as it should be.

Again, I would have emphasized hospitalizations and the lack of beds, which is easily verified, available over death data which is easily manipulated, and the government frequently manipulates death data to enrich itself power wise. What causes death is a misnomer. Usually, it is a combination of things but the government likes to list one cause of death, and it gave financial incentive health care providers to list Covid as cause of death.

The mathematical projections were wrong as they always are because humans learn how to handle things better. The 3. 5% mortality rate as estimated by the WHO was patently absurd, and all other death projections were way off.

Still, I cannot argue with the hospital rates. That is true, and no other flu virus save for the 1918 pandemic has put so many people in the hospital. Frequent testing and isolation does work to slow the virus as does keeping people from gathering in large groups especially for prolonged periods of time..You've been pounding me? You back to fantasizing about me again? I believe you have the direction of the pounding backwards Elvirus.

Over the numbers, no less? You've never addressed the numbers. Not once. I keep asking you to address the numbers and you start talking about Sweden.

Then you resort to complete fabrications. I stated I knew and saw dozens die from AIDS, while I was a volunteer with the AIDS, Art, Alive project in San Diego (from 1988-92), and you say I claim to have witnessed 1,000's. That non-profit has since closed down. However, you have the sheer fucking audacity (I. E. Stupidity) to claim I went back 30 years to locate the name of a non-profit, dig up the name of the founder, a respected, but reasonably unknown artist and author just so I could claim to have seen the effects of AIDS. That's not just stupidity, it's lunacy.

Again, address the fucking numbers you spineless dipshit.

2017-18 Lab verified flu deaths in Indiana - 187. That's the same year the CDC Estimated both 61,000 and 80,000 flu deaths nationwide. I can assure you, the people of Indiana are not all superhumans impervious to disease. Quite the opposite. At a minimum, if the CDC estimate is correct, that number should be at least 1,500.

Address this from the CDC:

"Fourth, our estimate of influenza-associated deaths relies on information about location of death from death certificates. However, death certificate data during the 2018–2019 season were not available at the time of estimation. We have used death certification data from all influenza seasons between 2010-2011 and 2016–2017 where these data were available from the National Center for Health Statistics. Furthermore, our model uses the frequency of influenza-related deaths that have cause of death related to pneumonia or influenza (P&I), other respiratory or cardiovascular (other are&C), or other non-respiratory, non-cardiovascular (non-are&C) to account for deaths occurring outside of a hospital by cause of death. These frequencies were not available from the 2018–2019 season at the time of estimation, so we used the average frequencies of each cause from previous seasons, 2010–2011 to 2016–2017."

And this:

"We first look at how many in-hospital deaths were observed in FluSurv-NET. The in-hospital deaths are adjusted for under-detection of influenza using methods similar to those described above for hospitalizations using data on the frequency and sensitivity of influenza testing. Second, because not all deaths related to influenza occur in the hospital, we use death certificate data to estimate how likely deaths are to occur outside the hospital. We look at death certificates that have pneumonia or influenza causes (P&I), other respiratory and circulatory causes (R&C), or other non-respiratory, non-circulatory causes of death, because deaths related to influenza may not have influenza listed as a cause of death. We use information on the causes of death from FluSurv-NET to determine the mixture of P&I, are&see, and other coded deaths to include in our investigation of death certificate data. Finally, once we estimate the proportion of influenza-associated deaths that occurred outside of the hospital, we can estimate the deaths-to-hospitalization ratio. ".

The flu numbers you keep touting are clearly stated by the CDC as not being accurate. Yet they're apparently the only numbers you pay any attention to.

Or would you rather address your constant changing story? Take your pick. Or go back to your rock and hide again until someone else comes along and expresses an OPINION which agrees with your delusion. Then you can come back out of hiding again and pretend you've been "pounding" me, when we both know you keep running away every time your cognitive dissonance rears its ugly head.

If you want to debate me on it, show me the numbers. Don't tell me supposition. Don't go running off to Bulgaria to get information from a group which contains no doctors, no persons with any background in medicine and no knowledge of what they're babbling about (which is obviously why you're so enamored of them). Don't make up more lies. First you don't know anyone who has had COVID-19, yet now you know dozens.

Frankly, you should change your handle to Septic tank because you're completely full of shit.

JjBee62

07-26-20, 20:14

The third screenshot. Wow. Thanks for sharing.You're welcome. That one is an enigma. According to me she's a non-pro, according to people who have no knowledge of her, she's definitely a pro. Next thing they'll be telling me she's a man who's not even Colombian.

Anyway, she's, according to her, a Psychology student and a submissive. She's gone full blown submissive with me. Sends me about 15 minutes of video every day and always trying to come up with new stuff to please me.

About 2 weeks ago I suggested something to her for a video. I told her to get one of her friends to watch her masturbate in a video. So she asked her best friend (who I've been talking to, but wasn't getting anywhere with). The friend went straight to doing a lesbian video for me (for a price). That happened in a motel in San Antonio de Prado (which explains another post of mine) Thursday.

It was obvious that they've never done this before, at least not together, which makes it better.

Zeos1

07-26-20, 20:30

Well said, I have been saying the exact same thing. This is so bad and in my opinion quarantines are just not working that well, besides killing the economies and ruining people's lives.Quarantines don't work if people don't follow them and quarantine. Same as distancing, same as lock downs, etc. They work when people follow them, and they don't work when even a significant minority do not follow them. That's the main difference between countries where it has worked and continues to work, and countries where it doesn't work.

JjBee62

07-29-20, 18:53

Quarantines don't work if people don't follow them and quarantine. Same as distancing, same as lock downs, etc. They work when people follow them, and they don't work when even a significant minority do not follow them. That's the main difference between countries where it has worked and continues to work, and countries where it doesn't work.We've experienced the same thing in recent years with vaccinations. It only took a relatively small group of anti-vaxxers to bring back outbreaks of the measles. I expect we'll start seeing polio again within a few years.

Elvis 2008

08-02-20, 18:28

International travel bans now are to reduce the strain on local resources while countries attempt to get their infection rate under control.Sigh. I know what the rationale is for them. The question going forward is are they worth having now? I think given the data the answer is no, but the decision to open or not in Colombia will be based on politics. If the president opens the country and case numbers go up, and the trends in Colombia look terrible, the president will be hammered by his main opposition, the mayor of Bogota. They have already clashed on air travel before.

A thorough lockdown on International travel, combined with aggressive testing and contact tracing, could have prevented the pandemic, if it had been done in early January.Was air travel significant in the 1918 pandemic? You make statements like this that have no basis in reality.

Everyone wants to make it political. Viruses are apolitical. They behave exactly the same regardless of geography, politics or religion. Until we start treating it like a disease instead of a way to score points, nothing is going to change.Viruses spread the same regardless of geography? This is another statement that is so ridiculous that NO ONE in the scientific community agrees with. Geography also has to do with population density and the very animals that often harbor the viruses that spread to humans.

Getting on point though, I said that others besides you have made the comment that the reason the virus is surging in the Americas and not Europe and Asia is due to noncompliance. The idea being that countries like Peru and Colombia with severe lockdowns have had surging cases of the virus due to non-compliance.

The data does not support that though. Chile is a very law abiding country and the virus is spreading there like crazy. Argentina has the same genetic makeup as Italy and Spain and the same attitudes towards governments those nations do and a younger population to boot but the cases of virus are surging in Argentina and not in Italy and Spain.

In my opinion, something is happening in the Americas that cannot be explained totally by noncompliance: environmental factors maybe, a mutation in the virus. Yes, Canada has seen a decline in the cases of the virus as has the USA Northeast, but those are the only regions in the Americas that have really cooled off. All the other most populous countries in the Americas are still seeing a surge in cases.

As I said before, there is no point in debating you JJBee. You keep claiming the scientists and experts know what they are doing when they have been all over the map. The CDC said masks did not work and now you can get arrested for not wearing one.

I think the decisions made by Southern US governors to open up their economies based on the data from Europe and Asia were correct, but that decision turned out to be a disaster.

So the decision to open up Colombia is a political one. The patterns seen in Europe and Asia are different from those in the Americas, and the data on International travel is all over the place. And politically speaking, I think the president is more likely to keep the borders closed than open them up, but that is just my opinion based on politics and perception not hard facts.

I just do not get the concept if we just listened to the scientists everything would be okay. Some parts of the media has been kissing Dr. Fauci's ass the whole time. Those media channels have failed to point out how often he and other scientists were dead wrong so often.

Can you tell me what the scientific consensus is on opening up Colombia is then? Because I do not see a scientific consensus on international travel at all.

Villainy

08-02-20, 20:36

A thorough lockdown on International travel, combined with aggressive testing and contact tracing, could have prevented the pandemic, if it had been done in early January.

Was air travel significant in the 1918 pandemic? You make statements like this that have no basis in reality.There wasn't any air travel in 1918. But there was extensive troop movements from the United States to Great Britain and France which was largely credited with the spread the disease over to most of Europe.

You could research your facts by reading the Wikipedia page on the Spanish Flu and reading about how the troop movements spread the disease.

Now I do understand that you want to try and one-up JjBee62 and challenge anything he says whether the facts support you or not. You could just grow up, ignore his posts and concentrate on the true purpose of this forum which is about Medellin Colombia and the entertainment options. We don't really need to analyze epidemiological events from 100 years ago. If you can't help yourself, let's talk about whether the strict quarantine for.

3 day weekends where (like today) there aren't any people out and very little traffic on La 70 (normally one of the busiest streets in Laureles) is doing any good or not. Will the mayor's new policies abate the recent rapid growth curve and how long will it continue. That might be somewhat interesting to someone instead of your "I have to win an argument just once against jibee62".

Zeos1

08-02-20, 21:01

Sigh. I know what the rationale is for them. The question going forward is are they worth having now? I think given the data the answer is no, but the decision to open or not in Colombia will be based on politics. If the president opens the country and case numbers go up, and the trends in Colombia look terrible, the president will be hammered by his main opposition, the mayor of Bogota. They have already clashed on air travel before.

Was air travel significant in the 1918 pandemic? You make statements like this that have no basis in reality.

Viruses spread the same regardless of geography? This is another statement that is so ridiculous that NO ONE in the scientific community agrees with. Geography also has to do with population density and the very animals that often harbor the viruses that spread to humans.

Getting on point though, I said that others besides you have made the comment that the reason the virus is surging in the Americas and not Europe and Asia is due to noncompliance. The idea being that countries like Peru and Colombia with severe lockdowns have had surging cases of the virus due to non-compliance.

The data does not support that though. Chile is a very law abiding country and the virus is spreading there like crazy. Argentina has the same genetic makeup as Italy and Spain and the same attitudes towards governments those nations do and a younger population to boot but the cases of virus are surging in Argentina and not in Italy and Spain.

In my opinion, something is happening in the Americas that cannot be explained totally by noncompliance: environmental factors maybe, a mutation in the virus. Yes, Canada has seen a decline in the cases of the virus as has the USA Northeast, but those are the only regions in the Americas that have really cooled off. All the other most populous countries in the Americas are still seeing a surge in cases.

As I said before, there is no point in debating you JJBee. You keep claiming the scientists and experts know what they are doing when they have been all over the map. The CDC said masks did not work and now you can get arrested for not wearing one.

I think the decisions made by Southern US governors to open up their economies based on the data from Europe and Asia were correct, but that decision turned out to be a disaster.

So the decision to open up Colombia is a political one. The patterns seen in Europe and Asia are different from those in the Americas, and the data on International travel is all over the place. And politically speaking, I think the president is more likely to keep the borders closed than open them up, but that is just my opinion based on politics and perception not hard facts.

I just do not get the concept if we just listened to the scientists everything would be okay. Some parts of the media has been kissing Dr. Fauci's ass the whole time. Those media channels have failed to point out how often he and other scientists were dead wrong so often.

Can you tell me what the scientific consensus is on opening up Colombia is then? Because I do not see a scientific consensus on international travel at all.All kinds of ways of denying the simple and obvious. And there's nothing significant that has changed since late January when the WHO was warning how serious this could be. This virus spreads when people are close enough together that the receiver gets close enough to the infected person to get infected. Number one and by far the most significant way it spreads. Second, by touching something with active virus and then touching your face (eyes, nose especially).

Everything else is just refinement of that knowledge. The big discussion over aerosol transmission versus droplet, droplet size, etc. Is minute differences in how it might spread. The vast majority spreads exactly in the way that many viruses spread. This one is reasonably contagious, but not as much so as some (fortunately).

Countries and places that have got the majority of the people to follow distancing and basic hygiene protocols have seen the virus "are" factor below 1 - in other words declining cases, and after a few months to almost 0 cases. Irrespective of how the "rules" they have sound, it is how people behave. Parts of the US have had similar rules to others, with different results. But when analysis of how many people have actually followed the guidelines or rules is done the answer is the same. It is easy to predict the infection rates by knowing how many different people are in contact with each other and in close proximity.

No need for stories about why this is being allowed, who is behind it, etc.

Travel bans have certainly helped Canada. As with almost everywhere initially all the cases were "imported". But we didn't act soon enough on that. But when we put a general requirement that everyone coming back (citizens, residents) and everyone entering (tourists, immigrants, whatever) had to quarantine the new cases peaked, and since around mid May have been going down. Due to all kinds of reasons, mostly that people stopped mixing and being in proximity (lots of different ways that was done. All well known). Cases in the country can now almost all be considered "mopping up" as there are situations where large families had cases generating more as time went on, for example, or right now a series of religious communes where there have been three or four rounds of infection. And of course testing, contact tracing, all of those things. Which work a lot better when the case load is low enough they can be done in a thorough way.

As an example, the last day of reporting (Friday I think) there were over 30,000 tests in my province. There were less than 200 new cases I believe. There are very few left in intensive care, etc. And believe me, when someone tests positive there are a swarm of health people following up on all contacts, etc. That wasn't so when things were at the peak, but again, once numbers get to a manageable level it allows a lot better followup, and allows us to get back to some version of normal. And to keep it that way people are ok with masks in indoor public spaces, distancing while shopping, etc. Etc.

Anyway. I only post this to give people a sense of hope. I think this virus can be beat. But until it is a worldwide effort we won't be able to travel normally and do a lot of things we would like to do.

Paulie97

08-02-20, 22:49

Getting on point though, I said that others besides you have made the comment that the reason the virus is surging in the Americas and not Europe and Asia is due to noncompliance. The idea being that countries like Peru and Colombia with severe lockdowns have had surging cases of the virus due to non-compliance.The data does not support that though. Chile is a very law abiding country and the virus is spreading there like crazy. Argentina has the same genetic makeup as Italy and Spain and the same attitudes towards governments those nations do and a younger population to boot but the cases of virus are surging in Argentina and not in Italy and Spain.Here we go again with the Houdiniesque contortions, and just plain false information. Chile is seeing a decline in cases and death numbers over the past two months.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/chile/

They are also the most developed country in South America.

https://idesa.org/article_english/chile-is-the-most-developed-country-in-latin-america/

Another affluent South American country, Uruguay, is also doing well with only 35 total deaths. But these are the exception in their region, not the rule.

Much of the non-compliance is poverty related, which involves living in crowded households, plus an absence of refrigerators and means to stock up food. Shopping is often done in crowded markets. There is plenty of poverty in Argentina, with a rate over double that of Chile.

https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/argentina/poverty-rose-to-35-4-percent-in-first-half-of-2019-reports-INDEC.phtml

Argentina also has a substantially higher poverty rate then their neighbor Brazil. It thus should come as no surprise that their graphs follow a similar trajectory. It all can be reviewed here.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.

Not to mention that we know how the disease is spread. The non-compliance in the US, lack of social distancing, masks, etc. Relate more to arrogance and fake news than poverty. The successes in Western Europe relate to implementing the simple and correct strategies. All the smoke and mirrors in the world won't make these truths go away. Though I'm confident you'll keep trying.

JjBee62

08-02-20, 23:22

Pay attention you idiotic, cock swallowing, anal polyp.

Sigh. I know what the rationale is for them. The question going forward is are they worth having now? I think given the data the answer is no, but the decision to open or not in Colombia will be based on politics. If the president opens the country and case numbers go up, and the trends in Colombia look terrible, the president will be hammered by his main opposition, the mayor of Bogota. They have already clashed on air travel before. I already covered that. Once again, because you're only useful as a sperm sponge, you missed the fucking point. Each country, which last time I checked includes Colombia, is dealing with controlling the spread of the virus. That's where they are allocating resources. Opening up international travel leaves them with 2 options. They can either say "Fuck it" and let whoever come in without any preventative measures, or they can move resources to the airports, testing, isolating, quarantining and enforcing, to keep any visitors from adding to the problem. Which means they have to take away from their efforts to stop the spread they are trying to deal with.

It has the same to do with politics as your effective IQ, A Huge Fucking Zero.

Was air travel significant in the 1918 pandemic? You make statements like this that have no basis in reality.Do you have to try to be so fucking clueless, or does it just come naturally? Since you seem to have missed out on learning history, I'll fill in one of the gaps. International travel has been around for a long fucking time. Viruses don't get seasick. They weren't just sitting around waiting for a plane. There's these things called "ships. " They carry passengers. Often ships, loaded with passengers, travel between countries. Often, if there are infected people on the ships diseases are carried from country to country.

Earlier today a squirrel ran across the road in front of me. I yelled "stupid squirrel" and the cheeky little bastard yelled back "at least I'm smarter than Elvis. " Had to give him that one.

Viruses spread the same regardless of geography? This is another statement that is so ridiculous that NO ONE in the scientific community agrees with. Geography also has to do with population density and the very animals that often harbor the viruses that spread to humans.Again, you're true to form. You fail completely to understand the simplest direct statement. If I wrote "Red is a primary color" you'd reply that people in Laos don't eat bacon for breakfast, therefore I'm wrong.

I wrote: "Viruses are apolitical. They behave exactly the same regardless of geography, politics or religion. ".

I didn't say viruses spread the same. I said they behave the same. I understand, to you, "behave" and "spread" always mean the same because, whenever your current daddy tells you to behave you spread your ass cheeks for him, but viruses aren't like that.

Any virus looks for a host. That's it. It doesn't look for a host that drives a BMW. It doesn't look for a host that lives at the beach. It looks for a host. Period. When it finds a host it attempts to replicate its RNA code. It does this in the jungle, in the desert, in the mountains and at the beach. It does this in the cities, towns and rural areas.

How many hosts are available in an area affects the rate at which the virus spreads, but it has no effect on the behavior of the virus.

Getting on point though, I said that others besides you have made the comment that the reason the virus is surging in the Americas and not Europe and Asia is due to noncompliance. The idea being that countries like Peru and Colombia with severe lockdowns have had surging cases of the virus due to non-compliance.You haven't been on point since your last new butt plug. Don't try to claim you're getting on point now, unless daddy just sent you a care package.

Cases are surging. That's all you need to know. Which is extremely fortunate because your capacity for knowledge is about the same as my capacity for the abject stupidity of every one of your posts. We know how to stop the cases from surging. We've already done it. Many places are still doing it. The US is not doing it. As for Peru, Chile and Argentina, I give zero fucks about them. I'm not in Peru, Chile or Argentina. I have no plans to go to Peru, Chile or Argentina. I have not once mentioned them except to tell you that I'm not writing about them.

There are 3 countries I'm paying attention to, the US, Canada and Colombia. The first 2 because my time is split 80-20 between the two and Colombia so I know when to start planning a trip.

But let's talk about "severe lockdowns. " There's a section of I-75 between Findlay and Beaverdam, Ohio with signs saying Speeding and distracted driving violations are strictly enforced with zero tolerance. Guess how effective that strict enforcement is. Just about as effective as the "severe lockdowns" in Colombia. Sure the Parque Lleras clubs are closed, but every single night, all the people who would normally be partying at a club are partying at someone's apartment, or out in the streets. Ask the guys in El Centro how many days Plaza Botero was completely empty.

The data does not support that though. Chile is a very law abiding country and the virus is spreading there like crazy. Argentina has the same genetic makeup as Italy and Spain and the same attitudes towards governments those nations do and a younger population to boot but the cases of virus are surging in Argentina and not in Italy and Spain.DATA? You dare to use the word "Data" you fucking testicle rest of a hypocrite? You've been claiming all the data is wrong for months. You repeatedly ignore all data presented to you and now you want to tell me what the data supports? You wouldn't recognize Data if Brent Spiner was face fucking you.

Italy and Spain learned their lesson. They understand what they need to do. South America is learning the same lesson right now. They'll figure it out.

In my opinion, something is happening in the Americas that cannot be explained totally by noncompliance: environmental factors maybe, a mutation in the virus. Yes, Canada has seen a decline in the cases of the virus as has the USA Northeast, but those are the only regions in the Americas that have really cooled off. All the other most populous countries in the Americas are still seeing a surge in cases. Your opinion is worth slightly less than a piece of toilet paper stuck to a fat lady's shoe.

Have you been to Canada recently? Say at any time in the past 3 months? You want to know why Canada has seen a decline? For 2 months Canadians stayed the fuck at home. At least I assume they were at home, because they sure as shit weren't in their cars driving to and from work. They weren't at the malls, movie theaters, schools or churches. They sat at home and waited it out. When they began opening back up, they paid attention to the numbers. In short they did all the things that were so heavily criticized in the US states that were effective at flattening the curve.

You see, the big problem in the Americas can he summed up with one word: "You. " It's the fucking shitskulls like you who haven't a fucking clue about anything beyond your own nose, who want to drive the ship. You pissed and moaned like a fucking infant when someone in Texas told you to wear a mask. You've jumped on every single conspiracy theory like a god-damned jackrabbit on Viagra. You change your fucking opinion more often than they change the toilet paper roll at the Diarrhea Institute. You babble incoherently about science, without knowing what the fuck science is and then you whine about the economy. If stupidity was a crime, you'd have been executed 47 times and would still be locked in a cell for the next 30 billion years.

As I said before, there is no point in debating you JJBee. You keep claiming the scientists and experts know what they are doing when they have been all over the map. The CDC said masks did not work and now you can get arrested for not wearing one.There's no point in debating with me because your knowledge of debate is roughly equal to a pile of kangaroo shit's knowledge of string theory, although that's doing a disservice to the kangaroo shit.

The CDC did not say masks don't work. At the beginning, the CDC recommended people not hoard masks because the US did not have enough masks for the people who desperately needed them. Once the mask shortage was dealt with they recommended and continue to recommend the use of masks.

Part of your problem, aside from the oxygen deprivation you're experiencing from having your head so far up your ass, is that you haven't a fucking clue what science is. You look at science as if it's some stock pick from a bunch of Bulgarian goat fuckers. Science isn't a matter of right and wrong. It's a set of tools for the accumulation of knowledge. The most important tool is "I don't know. " From there you begin to add knowledge. Sometimes you go the wrong way and have to backtrack, but you've still gained knowledge from your mistakes.

Science can't give a definitive answer on how many will die. Science can only make projections based upon what actions are being taken.

Let's try an analogy. Not for you, because I'm fairly certain you think an analogy is a large, wooden toy for your ass, but for the people who are smarter than mildew.

If someone is driving from point A to Point be at 50 mph and the distance is 300 miles, science says the trip will take 6 hours (get someone to do the math for you). Science doesn't take into account how many times the driver stops to piss. It doesn't consider that the guy might drive 30 minutes and decide to go home. It only considers the available data.

When the experts made predictions, those predictions were based upon following a certain path. Any change in the path invalidates the predictions. Every single time the US has changed the path. Asia and Europe followed the path.

I think the decisions made by Southern US governors to open up their economies based on the data from Europe and Asia were correct, but that decision turned out to be a disaster.It's as if your brain can't retain anything more than 2 seconds. If it turned out to be a disaster, the decision wasn't a good one. "Even though the explosion killed the guy and destroyed 3 apartments, I think his decision to take a bath in gasoline while smoking was a good one. ".

Are you competing with yourself to come up with ever more idiotic statements?

The southern states decisions had nothing to do with data from anywhere. Trump said "open back up" and they said "okay. ".

So the decision to open up Colombia is a political one. The patterns seen in Europe and Asia are different from those in the Americas, and the data on International travel is all over the place. And politically speaking, I think the president is more likely to keep the borders closed than open them up, but that is just my opinion based on politics and perception not hard facts.What? How in the fuck did you go from southern states opening back up being a disaster to "So the decision to open up Colombia is a political one?" What fucking planet did you leave your brain cells on? "Yesterday I ate 2 hot dogs. So my decision to shove my head up my ass was based on ergonomics. ".

The decision to open back up Colombia is a Colombian decision. Whether they decide to make it a political decision or decide to base it upon controlling the spread of disease is up to them. They aren't consulting with fucking morons over how to make the decision. If they decide to, I'm sure someone will come looking for you.

I just do not get the concept if we just listened to the scientists everything would be okay. Some parts of the media has been kissing Dr. Fauci's ass the whole time. Those media channels have failed to point out how often he and other scientists were dead wrong so often.The tip of My. Everest rises 29,029 feet above sea level. Challenger Deep in the Marianas Trench is 36,200 feet below sea level. Combine the two and it's still nowhere near the depths of your ignorance.

Not one time have the scientists been wrong. But it does no good when festering ass boils like yourself refuse to listen. If I tell you, "take a right turn at the next light and you'll avoid all the traffic", but you take a left turn, it's not my fault you're stuck in a jam for the next hour.

At the beginning, the scientists said "we need to start testing, we need to isolate, we need contact tracing. " Instead, we did nothing. They said we need to start shutting down now. Instead we waited almost a month. They said "more testing. " Instead we said "more testing makes us look bad. " They said "keep it shutdown until we have it under control. " Instead we said "we have to protect the economy. ".

Every step of the way the US has ignored what the experts have recommended and bilious enema extracts like you have been screaming for the US to ignore the experts. Then, you festering twat blisters have the gall to claim the experts don't know what they are talking about.

Can you tell me what the scientific consensus is on opening up Colombia is then? Because I do not see a scientific consensus on international travel at all.What good would that do? If I told you cheese is a dairy product you'd reply that the moon landing was a hoax propagated to install tracking devices in disposable diapers in order to bring about a new world order based upon a birthday card Karl Marx gave to his mother.

There is no scientific consensus on opening Colombia back up. You expect them to come out and say "Wednesday, November 18,2020 at 3:47 pm should be good?

The scientific consensus is that Colombia first needs to get the number of new cases to start falling. The scientific consensus is they do that by strict social distancing, the use of masks, avoiding unnecessary travel. Once the number of new cases drops below the level where Colombia can begin contact tracing, the scientific consensus is that Colombia can slowly begin opening things back up. The scientific consensus is increased testing will be necessary. Assuming the numbers continue to fall, Colombia can continue to restore things, until they are confident in their ability to detect and control any outbreaks. At some point, whenever Colombia decides they have the situation controlled and they are ready to allow international travel, Colombia will allow international travel. They will decide what restrictions there will be.

However, it's up to Colombia to decide whether they'll follow the scientific consensus, or if they'll listen to Chlamydia infested cunts like you.

Paulie97

08-02-20, 23:53

Now I do understand that you want to try and one-up JjBee62 and challenge anything he says whether the facts support you or not. You could just grow up, ignore his posts and concentrate on the true purpose of this forum which is about Medellin Colombia and the entertainment options.In all fairness you can't lay it all on Elvis. If you are going to tell him to "grow up" then you need to say the same to JJBee62 and several others. That assumes that the discussion needs to end, but I'm not convinced that it does. On the ground info on Medellin is scant at the moment. Plus there's the "Stupid Shit" thread for any overflow that the Admin can use at his discretion.

Elvis 2008

08-03-20, 00:12

Pay attention you idiotic, cock swallowing, anal polyp.

Do you have to try to be so fucking clueless, or does it just come naturally? Since you seem to have missed out on learning history, I'll fill in one of the gaps. International travel has been around for a long fucking time. Viruses don't get seasick. They weren't just sitting around waiting for a plane. There's these things called "ships. " They carry passengers. Often ships, loaded with passengers, travel between countries. Often, if there are infected people on the ships diseases are carried from country to country.I did pay attention, ass wipe! You, being the Democrat dipshit that you are, said that if air travel were banned the virus would not have spread, a swipe at Trump. Now viruses can travel by ships. SO.

Earlier today a squirrel ran across the road in front of me. I yelled "stupid squirrel" and the cheeky little bastard yelled back "at least I'm smarter than Elvis." Had to give him that one.

Again, you're true to form. You fail completely to understand the simplest direct statement. If I wrote "Red is a primary color" you'd reply that people in Laos don't eat bacon for breakfast, therefore I'm wrong.

I wrote: "Viruses are apolitical. They behave exactly the same regardless of geography, politics or religion."

I didn't say viruses spread the same. I said they behave the same. I understand, to you, "behave" and "spread" always mean the same because, whenever your current daddy tells you to behave you spread your ass cheeks for him, but viruses aren't like that.

Any virus looks for a host. That's it. It doesn't look for a host that drives a BMW. It doesn't look for a host that lives at the beach. It looks for a host. Period. When it finds a host it attempts to replicate its RNA code. It does this in the jungle, in the desert, in the mountains and at the beach. It does this in the cities, towns and rural areas.

How many hosts are available in an area affects the rate at which the virus spreads, but it has no effect on the behavior of the virus.

You haven't been on point since your last new butt plug. Don't try to claim you're getting on point now, unless daddy just sent you a care package.

Cases are surging. That's all you need to know. Which is extremely fortunate because your capacity for knowledge is about the same as my capacity for the abject stupidity of every one of your posts. We know how to stop the cases from surging. We've already done it. Many places are still doing it. The US is not doing it. As for Peru, Chile and Argentina, I give zero fucks about them. I'm not in Peru, Chile or Argentina. I have no plans to go to Peru, Chile or Argentina. I have not once mentioned them except to tell you that I'm not writing about them.

There are 3 countries I'm paying attention to, the US, Canada and Colombia. The first 2 because my time is split 80-20 between the two and Colombia so I know when to start planning a trip.

But let's talk about "severe lockdowns. " There's a section of I-75 between Findlay and Beaverdam, Ohio with signs saying Speeding and distracted driving violations are strictly enforced with zero tolerance. Guess how effective that strict enforcement is. Just about as effective as the "severe lockdowns" in Colombia. Sure the Parque Lleras clubs are closed, but every single night, all the people who would normally be partying at a club are partying at someone's apartment, or out in the streets. Ask the guys in El Centro how many days Plaza Botero was completely empty.

DATA? You dare to use the word "Data" you fucking testicle rest of a hypocrite? You've been claiming all the data is wrong for months. You repeatedly ignore all data presented to you and now you want to tell me what the data supports? You wouldn't recognize Data if Brent Spiner was face fucking you.

Italy and Spain learned their lesson. They understand what they need to do. South America is learning the same lesson right now. They'll figure it out.

Your opinion is worth slightly less than a piece of toilet paper stuck to a fat lady's shoe.

Have you been to Canada recently? Say at any time in the past 3 months? You want to know why Canada has seen a decline? For 2 months Canadians stayed the fuck at home. At least I assume they were at home, because they sure as shit weren't in their cars driving to and from work. They weren't at the malls, movie theaters, schools or churches. They sat at home and waited it out. When they began opening back up, they paid attention to the numbers. In short they did all the things that were so heavily criticized in the US states that were effective at flattening the curve.

You see, the big problem in the Americas can he summed up with one word: "You." It's the fucking shitskulls like you who haven't a fucking clue about anything beyond your own nose, who want to drive the ship. You pissed and moaned like a fucking infant when someone in Texas told you to wear a mask. You've jumped on every single conspiracy theory like a god-damned jackrabbit on Viagra. You change your fucking opinion more often than they change the toilet paper roll at the Diarrhea Institute. You babble incoherently about science, without knowing what the fuck science is and then you whine about the economy. If stupidity was a crime, you'd have been executed 47 times and would still be locked in a cell for the next 30 billion years.

There's no point in debating with me because your knowledge of debate is roughly equal to a pile of kangaroo shit's knowledge of string theory, although that's doing a disservice to the kangaroo shit.

The CDC did not say masks don't work. At the beginning, the CDC recommended people not hoard masks because the US did not have enough masks for the people who desperately needed them. Once the mask shortage was dealt with they recommended and continue to recommend the use of masks.

Part of your problem, aside from the oxygen deprivation you're experiencing from having your head so far up your ass, is that you haven't a fucking clue what science is. You look at science as if it's some stock pick from a bunch of Bulgarian goat fuckers. Science isn't a matter of right and wrong. It's a set of tools for the accumulation of knowledge. The most important tool is "I don't know. " From there you begin to add knowledge. Sometimes you go the wrong way and have to backtrack, but you've still gained knowledge from your mistakes.

Science can't give a definitive answer on how many will die. Science can only make projections based upon what actions are being taken.

Let's try an analogy. Not for you, because I'm fairly certain you think an analogy is a large, wooden toy for your ass, but for the people who are smarter than mildew.

If someone is driving from point A to Point be at 50 mph and the distance is 300 miles, science says the trip will take 6 hours (get someone to do the math for you). Science doesn't take into account how many times the driver stops to piss. It doesn't consider that the guy might drive 30 minutes and decide to go home. It only considers the available data.

When the experts made predictions, those predictions were based upon following a certain path. Any change in the path invalidates the predictions. Every single time the US has changed the path. Asia and Europe followed the path.

It's as if your brain can't retain anything more than 2 seconds. If it turned out to be a disaster, the decision wasn't a good one. "Even though the explosion killed the guy and destroyed 3 apartments, I think his decision to take a bath in gasoline while smoking was a good one. ".

Are you competing with yourself to come up with ever more idiotic statements?

The southern states decisions had nothing to do with data from anywhere. Trump said "open back up" and they said "okay. ".

What? How in the fuck did you go from southern states opening back up being a disaster to "So the decision to open up Colombia is a political one?" What fucking planet did you leave your brain cells on? "Yesterday I ate 2 hot dogs. So my decision to shove my head up my ass was based on ergonomics. ".

The decision to open back up Colombia is a Colombian decision. Whether they decide to make it a political decision or decide to base it upon controlling the spread of disease is up to them. They aren't consulting with fucking morons over how to make the decision. If they decide to, I'm sure someone will come looking for you.

The tip of My. Everest rises 29,029 feet above sea level. Challenger Deep in the Marianas Trench is 36,200 feet below sea level. Combine the two and it's still nowhere near the depths of your ignorance.

Not one time have the scientists been wrong. But it does no good when festering ass boils like yourself refuse to listen. If I tell you, "take a right turn at the next light and you'll avoid all the traffic", but you take a left turn, it's not my fault you're stuck in a jam for the next hour.

At the beginning, the scientists said "we need to start testing, we need to isolate, we need contact tracing. " Instead, we did nothing. They said we need to start shutting down now. Instead we waited almost a month. They said "more testing. " Instead we said "more testing makes us look bad. " They said "keep it shutdown until we have it under control. " Instead we said "we have to protect the economy. ".

Every step of the way the US has ignored what the experts have recommended and bilious enema extracts like you have been screaming for the US to ignore the experts. Then, you festering twat blisters have the gall to claim the experts don't know what they are talking about.

What good would that do? If I told you cheese is a dairy product you'd reply that the moon landing was a hoax propagated to install tracking devices in disposable diapers in order to bring about a new world order based upon a birthday card Karl Marx gave to his mother.

There is no scientific consensus on opening Colombia back up. You expect them to come out and say "Wednesday, November 18,2020 at 3:47 pm should be good?

The scientific consensus is that Colombia first needs to get the number of new cases to start falling. The scientific consensus is they do that by strict social distancing, the use of masks, avoiding unnecessary travel. Once the number of new cases drops below the level where Colombia can begin contact tracing, the scientific consensus is that Colombia can slowly begin opening things back up. The scientific consensus is increased testing will be necessary. Assuming the numbers continue to fall, Colombia can continue to restore things, until they are confident in their ability to detect and control any outbreaks. At some point, whenever Colombia decides they have the situation controlled and they are ready to allow international travel, Colombia will allow international travel. They will decide what restrictions there will be.

However, it's up to Colombia to decide whether they'll follow the scientific consensus, or if they'll listen to Chlamydia infested cunts like you.

Elvis 2008

08-03-20, 07:39

Here we go again with the Houdiniesque contortions, and just plain false information. Chile is seeing a decline in cases and death numbers over the past two months
Yes, after having the highest number per capita in the whole America's hemisphere.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/chile/

They are also the most developed country in South America.Absolutely right. Paulie, the numbers have been going down, but they are also the highest per capita in the entire American hemisphere. That data does not support the notion that viral spread is due to noncompliance.

Much of the non-compliance is poverty related, which involves living in crowded households, plus an absence of refrigerators and means to stock up food. Shopping is often done in crowded markets. There is plenty of poverty in Argentina, with a rate over double that of Chile.If the poverty is worse in Argentina, why is the per capita rate of infection 4 X higher than in Chile? Again, you have listed nothing showing compliance or poverty have anything to do with the spread of the virus. I agree that crowded living conditions facilitate the spread of the virus, but the data you provided is not supporting that opinion.

Argentina also has a substantially higher poverty rate then their neighbor Brazil. It thus should come as no surprise that their graphs follow a similar trajectory. It all can be reviewed here.But your assertion falls apart again when you look at the total number of cases. Why does Brazil have three times as many cases per capita as Argentina?

Not to mention that we know how the disease is spread. The non-compliance in the US, lack of social distancing, masks, etc. Relate more to arrogance and fake news than poverty.What does fake news have to do with viral spread?

So the reason the infection rates are dropping in New York and not in Arizona is due to compliance?

The general patterns in the Americas are not following those of Asia and Europe. Hell, policies varied in the USA from state to state as did the infection rates.

Colombia and Peru implemented stricter rules than anywhere in Europe and their rates have not gone down, and the reason for this is non-compliance? Based on what data? They also didn't allow international air travel. Show me the data that proves noncompliance in Peru and Colombia overwhelmed the international air travel ban they enacted and Europe did not.

The successes in Western Europe relate to implementing the simple and correct strategies. All the smoke and mirrors in the world won't make these truths go away.That assertion is pure smoke and mirrors. Which strategy do you mean? Spain's? Sweden's? Poland's? If all of Europe implemented the correct strategies and all of Latin America did not, then why is Spain's rate per capita twice as high as Mexico and 8 X higher than Poland?

None of this fits. All you are doing is more Trump bashing. If only Trump would have done what the geniuses in Europe did, all in the Americas would be well. That is ridiculous. Something else is going on in the Americas.

You Demorats have been spouting Trump as being the cause of everything bad with the virus since February: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html.

And nothing has changed.

You guys keep pushing the notion that scientists know all there is to know about the virus, and Trump stupidly has ignored them when scientists and the data have been all over the place. You guys cannot even have an intelligent conversation without bashing Trump and bashing me, and all I really want to talk about is when is Colombia going to open up.

JjBee62

08-03-20, 15:19

In all fairness you can't lay it all on Elvis. If you are going to tell him to "grow up" then you need to say the same to JJBee62 and several others. That assumes that the discussion needs to end, but I'm not convinced that it does. On the ground info on Medellin is scant at the moment. Plus there's the "Stupid Shit" thread for any overflow that the Admin can use at his discretion.In my defense, as soon as it becomes apparent it's going to become another argument from idiocy from Elvirus, I don't wait for admin to move my response to this thread. I post directly here.

Mr Enternational

08-03-20, 15:43

JjBee62

08-03-20, 16:17

I did pay attention, ass wipe! You, being the Democrat dipshit that you are, said that if air travel were banned the virus would not have spread, a swipe at Trump. Now viruses can travel by ships. SO.Talk about a massive fail! I appreciate your inability to properly quote. Or are you trying to pretend you wrote my post?

I did not say "if air travel were banned the virus would not have spread." Here's what I did say:

"A thorough lockdown on International travel, combined with aggressive testing and contact tracing, could have prevented the pandemic, if it had been done in early January."
It's not a swipe at Trump, it's a simple, factual statement. Last time I checked, Trump doesn't rule the entire planet. Barring a credible threat of total nuclear annihilation, there's nothing Trump could do to shut down all international travel for every country. The key word I used was "pandemic. " If it's just limited to a few countries, it's an epidemic. An epidemic is easier to deal with, because unaffected countries have a vested interest in preventing it from becoming a pandemic.

Worldwide, every country failed initially, which is to be expected. Civilian populations aren't prepared or trained to respond to casualty situations. Governments are incapable of the immediate action required. A pandemic, at some point, was inevitable. It happened in 2020. It's easy to point out where mistakes have been made. It's easy unless you're unable to accept the possibility that Trump is capable of making a mistake. Then it becomes.

Well, it becomes every one of your posts. It becomes a Rube Goldberg post trying to blame everyone else.

I have no interest in blaming Trump for the US disaster. I don't need to try and make him look bad. Pointing fingers doesn't fix anything. Learning from previous mistakes is how you fix things. Learning from the success of others is how you fix things.

However, rule number 1 of leadership is quite simple: "You can delegate authority, but you can't delegate responsibility."

Anyone who served in the military should recall those words. Every previous President has understood them. As president, the responsibility lands on Trump's desk, whether he accepts it or not. That's reality. Cry or cheer, but it still doesn't fix things.

Nothing about the disease is unique to the US. Not even the US response is unique. We are getting the predicted results every time. If we want better results, we need a better response.

We've had good results in some places, particularly in the northeast. If NYC can get things under control, every city can do it.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it: "We know what works."

Until we decide to do what is necessary, nothing gets better.

JjBee62

08-03-20, 19:10

I don't know a gd thing about virus. All I know is that when the mf surfaced, the government of Thailand said you are going to do this, this, and that or you are going to jail and will be fined. MFs complied. Now there is no more virus here. One board member had to pay the police $30 on the spot because he was outside walking around and didn't have his mask on.

I don't blame them fir not wanting to let in nasty ass foreigners that think they know everything and want to break all the rules. And this ia coming from a rule breaking mf.Exactly. New Zealand did the same. It's the same as all those firefighting drills we did in the Navy. You see smoke, you start dumping AFFF on it and you keep that foam flowing until the fire is out.

You don't stop 3 minutes in while everyone argues over whether it's better to let the fire burn.

Paulie97

08-03-20, 20:18

Absolutely right. Paulie, the numbers have been going down,Then the virus isn't "spreading like crazy" in Chile as you claimed. The data proved you wrong. They are seeing a big decline in new cases and deaths over the last two months. Looks like they are doing something right. Uruguay is also looking good.

but they are also the highest per capita in the entire American hemisphere.
That data does not support the notion that viral spread is due to noncompliance.That "data" is neither here nor there when you try to diminish the value of masks and social distancing in containing the spread of the virus. Per capita death rates count from the beginning. A number of countries got off to a rough start then started getting it right. Some still aren't getting it right. Non-sequitur #1.

If the poverty is worse in Argentina, why is the per capita rate of infection 4 X higher than in Chile? What's with this word salad? How can Argentina have a per capita infection rate four times that of Chile if Chile has the highest infection rate in the Americas? But this stat likewise is neither here nor there for reasons just stated. It's a non-sequitur. Non-sequitur #2.

Again, you have listed nothing showing compliance or poverty have anything to do with the spread of the virus.It's common knowledge. There have been plenty of articles on the logistics in South America and how such has contributed to the spread. The non-compliance in Bogota is well documented. We also know the science of how the virus is spread as it relates to person to person contact and transfers that start with touching surfaces.

But your assertion falls apart again when you look at the total number of cases. Why does Brazil have three times as many cases per capita as Argentina? Brazil's Wing Nut, Trump buttboy president who caught the virus himself surely has a lot to do with this, with his laissex faire approach from the start and lifting lockdowns in early June while deaths were peaking. He has fought his health ministers tooth and nail the whole way. Irregardless both countries are seeing a significant upward trajectory in confirmed cases and deaths. None of this even begins to obscure non-compliance as a significant factor in the rise in cases and deaths in many areas of the Americas. Non-sequitur #3. Your ever shifting arguments fell apart months ago, and all we've seen since is a scramble to try and save face.

https://www.businessinsider.com/brazil-eases-lockdown-coronavirus-deaths-peak-bolsonaro-ignores-2020-6

What does fake news have to do with viral spread?Fake news tells lies that encourage arrogance and discourage compliance. You knew that already. Examples are legion, but here is one of the more bizarre ones. She actually reminds me of you, loads of pontificating, but no source citations and errors galore.

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/coronavir . H-spirits /.

The general patterns in the Americas are not following those of Asia and Europe. Hell, policies varied in the USA from state to state as did the infection rates.And many states that opened up too quickly saw spikes in infections. All of this has been covered in the past here with lists and data sources. Even Fox News is reporting it.

Colombia and Peru implemented stricter rules than anywhere in Europe and their rates have not gone down and the reason for this is non-compliance? Based on what data? Here's an excerpt from a Yale. Edu article regarding the failures of the Covid response in Peru. Follow the link at the bottom to read the entirety.

"Nonetheless, three months later, media outlets report the failure of these measures, stressing the existence of a paradox between the intensity of the containment measures and the virus' rapid spread among the population. Public health experts and economists highlighted four conditions that explain this paradox: the number of tests, the irregularity of the quarantine, the presence of crowds in markets and banks, and the level of overcrowded housing.

Due to the wide range in test availability, the comparative picture is imperfect. Peru ranks second in terms of tests for the region, yet public health experts agree that evolution of the country's infection rates is still incongruent with what would have been expected, considering Peru's stringent response.

Experts then turn to three other conditions: the high volume of informal labor, more than 70 percent in Peru; high social and economic inequalities; rooted cultural differences and behavioral patterns that include consistent disrespect for laws."

https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/despite-effort-perus-covid-19-response-fails

So do we listen to Yale with their responsible, well sourced article? Or rather a conspiracy theory loving hack flopping around for months in a monger forum?

They also didn't allow international air travel. Show me the data that proves noncompliance in Peru and Colombia overwhelmed the international air travel ban they enacted and Europe did not.Huh? Europe has had plenty of limitations on air travel. This applies to within the EU and to countries on the outside as well. Put that back in your ass. It doesn't work.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffwhitmore/2020/06/18/the-europe-travel-ban-whats-open-and-who-can-travel/#1 cc37 a734 c3 b.

That assertion is pure smoke and mirrors. Which strategy do you mean? Spain's? Sweden's? Poland's? If all of Europe implemented the correct strategies and all of Latin America did not, then why is Spain's rate per capita twice as high as Mexico and 8 X higher than Poland?Per capita deaths rates going back to the beginning of the pandemic are irrelevant when considering the value of masks, social distancing, and testing. Spain is doing very well as of late, as is the rest of Western Europe as a whole. Check the graphs. And that's why most of the world welcomes travelers from the EU and the US is shut out. They have implemented the correct strategies and we in many instances have not. Non-sequitur #4.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.

None of this fits. All you are doing is more Trump bashing.Remove your parade of non-sequiturs and it all fits like a glove. And it's all in accord with the analysis of virtually every contagious disease specialist in the world. Social distancing, masks, and testing with follow ups work. This is all also quite consistent with how we know the disease spreads. And none of this has anything to do with our toddler and chief. For the record I'm a moderate that votes Republican about half the time. This isn't about liberals versus conservatives, but conspiracy theory, anti-science, myth embracing malcontents versus reasonable people. The majority of conservatives are not in your boat.

You Demorats.See above.

That said we are going in circles. You spin out a series of fallacies trying to muddy the waters in matters of the obvious, then I unravel it. You are welcome to the last word, at least for the time being. I'm piled up with work for this week but may jump back in at a point. JJBee62 though is a trucker that gets bored out on the road, so he will likely dance with you some more. Yes we do all have one thing in common, we all want to get back into Colombia.

P.S. For those unfamiliar with the term non-sequitur there is plenty on it in Google. In a word, this occurs when the conclusions someone comes to do not flow from the assertions and / or evidence they presented. Another term for it is "invalid inference. " Example: "Mary bakes the best cakes in town. She should run for mayor. " It's a favorite of Elvis, that and just spinning out pure BS in the hopes that no one notices.

Paulie97

08-03-20, 21:41

Exactly. New Zealand did the same. It's the same as all those firefighting drills we did in the Navy. You see smoke, you start dumping AFFF on it and you keep that foam flowing until the fire is out.

You don't stop 3 minutes in while everyone argues over whether it's better to let the fire burn.Good analogy.

Paulie97

08-04-20, 00:06

If all of Europe implemented the correct strategies and all of Latin America did not,For the record this was never claimed. Two Latin American countries were acknowledged as doing well as of late, Chile and Uruguay. And the whole of Europe was not referenced but Western Europe, and in the past more specifically the EU. But such betrays someone's positions as bankrupt, when they are continually erecting and attacking strawmen. When one attacks a caricature of their own making the argument of the opponent remains untouched. It's also dishonest and destroys credibility. Seems JJBee62 spends at least half of his time unraveling this twot's non-sequiturs, strawmen, and various flipflops. Lolol.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Fun Luvr

08-04-20, 02:21

I don't know a gd thing about virus. All I know is that when the mf surfaced, the government of Thailand said you are going to do this, this, and that or you are going to jail and will be fined. MFs complied. Now there is no more virus here. One board member had to pay the police $30 on the spot because he was outside walking around and didn't have his mask on.Wasn't there a crowded indoor sporting event in Bangkok after the virus was detected there? Do the people really maintain proper distancing on the trains in Bangkok? I'm just curious, because as crowded as the trains are normally, it must take forever to get anywhere maintaining proper distance.

Paulie97

08-04-20, 05:51

The whole issue with the struggles in Latin America with containing the virus is hardly rocket science. It's just common sense. It comes down to demographics and logistics, and the often extreme difficulty with adhering to best practices.

"And those who are being hit the hardest, say public health experts, are those most vulnerable: migrants in border communities, working-class and poor people living in overcrowded quarters, and indigenous communities along the Amazon basin. The latter, which encompasses nine countries in South America, is seeing cumulative incidence rates up to five times higher than the general population, PAHO says.

'You can lock down the countries, but once you open the economies, COVID-19 impacts the poorest communities and this is what we have seen today in Colombia, Argentina and Chile,' said Carlos Espinal, director of the Global Health Consortium at the Robert Stempel College of Public Health at Florida International University in Miami. Regional experts say the surge in new infections is being fueled by the precarious conditions of Latin America's poor, many of whom live in overcrowded conditions and are dependent on informal, day-to-day work for their daily survival, and the growing restlessness among the population after months of quarantine."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article244223757.html

Tomasb

08-04-20, 16:00

I was in Bangkok from December 26,2019 until April 2,2020 and took the sky train frequently. This train has become very popular as it has extensive connections throughout the city and is a better commute option for locals and tourists than dealing with the incredible automobile traffic and pollution.

When the virus first arrived in Bangkok in early February very few pax wore face masks and there was little SD on the trains. As the virus progressed, there was more space on the trains as tourists left the country and locals stayed or worked from home.

However, the Sky train system, called BTS, must have noticed the trains were less crowded so began reducing the amount of carriages for economic reasons thereby increasing the density on the trains. Finally, towards the end of March, the government required everyone to wear a mask and there were security personnel stationed on the platforms to make sure this policy was enforced. Gradually, social distancing increased and either more carriages were added or less people rode the trains. By the end of March, very few people were seen on the street and sois of Bangkok and this was also true on the trains. By the time I left, nighttime curfews were in effect starting at 10 pm until 4 am. All bars and entertainment venues were closed and even the public parks were closed on April 2nd. Most streets were deserted, even the main thoroughfares, and by the end of March the skies were clear and pollution free. A remarkable transformation!

As a postscript, Thailand, a country of 69 mm people, has enjoyed remarkable success in controlling the virus. They have had only 58 deaths attributed to the virus and at the present time only 112 people hospitalized according to today's Bangkok Post. This is particularly noteworthy due to their geographical proximity to China and the amount of Chinese tourists who visit yearly. The Chinese are number one in term of visitors to Thailand.

There has been a certain amount of speculation amongst medical experts as to the reasons but most countries in the Mekong Delta region have avoided the high death rates in other areas of the world. Some of it is attributed to the culture. In Thailand, personal hugging and handshakes are not part of the greeting culture, instead people bow and offer 'wais'. Masks wearing is widespread and is not a political issue and people are accustomed to wearing masks either to ward off pollution or recent memories of prior viruses that spread to this part of Asia from China. Also, when the government tells (orders) people to do something, they generally comply.

Finally, there has been some limited amount of study by scientists attempting to draw a connection with the mighty Mekong and its tributaries, whose headwaters originate in Southern China and rolls through Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, and Cambodia to the South China Sea. All of these countries, and even the southern province of China, have had less Covid cases and success in dealing with the virus compared to other parts of the world.

Wasn't there a crowded indoor sporting event in Bangkok after the virus was detected there? Do the people really maintain proper distancing on the trains in Bangkok? I'm just curious, because as crowded as the trains are normally, it must take forever to get anywhere maintaining proper distance.

JjBee62

08-04-20, 21:20

For the record this was never claimed. Two Latin American countries were acknowledged as doing well as of late, Chile and Uruguay. And the whole of Europe was not referenced but Western Europe, and in the past more specifically the EU. But such betrays someone's positions as bankrupt, when they are continually erecting and attacking strawmen. When one attacks a caricature of their own making the argument of the opponent remains untouched. It's also dishonest and destroys credibility. Seems JJBee62 spends at least half of his time unraveling this twot's non-sequiturs, strawmen, and various flipflops. Lolol.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawmanIt doesn't take much time. He's easily predictable. Most of my time is spent coming up with original insults.

Elvis 2008

08-04-20, 22:39

Then the virus isn't "spreading like crazy" in Chile as you claimed. The data proved you wrong. They are seeing a big decline in new cases and deaths over the last two months. Looks like they are doing something right.If Chile and NY, which have similar data, are your examples of doing things right then you are a fool.

The non-compliance in Bogota is well documented.By whom?

Due to the wide range in test availability, the comparative picture is imperfect. Peru ranks second in terms of tests for the region, yet public health experts agree that evolution of the country's infection rates is still incongruent with what would have been expected, considering Peru's stringent response.Wow, so the data does not agree with the theory public health experts have been spouting all this time in Peru. So it is time to revisit the theory and policies then given that the data does not fit the theory and the policies did not work right? That is how you use the scientific method. Is that what Yale did?

Public health experts and economists highlighted four conditions that explain this paradox: the number of tests, the irregularity of the quarantine, the presence of crowds in markets and banks, and the level of overcrowded housing.

Experts then turn to three other conditions: the high volume of informal labor, more than 70 percent in Peru; high social and economic inequalities; rooted cultural differences and behavioral patterns that include consistent disrespect for laws.No of course not. The blowhards at Yale just decided to come up with reasons they were right despite the data saying otherwise.

Let me go through these one by one: number of tests per Yale is the second most in Latin America so help me out with why the number of tests explains the paradox.

Irregularity of the quarantine? WTF does that even mean?

The presence of crowds in markets and banks and the level of overcrowded housing? Nope, these were known prior to Covid and are invalid.

The high volume of informal labor? WTF does that mean and what is known preCovid?

Social and economic inequalities? And this was not known prior to the Covid virus?

Rooted culture differences? Same thing. Why does this matter and was this fact not known prior to Covid?

Consistent disrespect for laws? Again, where is the data to support this? Where is is shown that Peru was more non compliant than other countries?

So do we listen to Yale with their responsible, well sourced article?If this is your example of responsible and well sourced, there is nothing else to say. What happened here is the data didn't fit the theory from public health experts, theory you all subscribe to as fact. If the data does not fit your theory, you re-examine your theory or explain with data why it failed not make up bullshit excuses littered with Democrat talking points like income inequality, crowded conditions, and high volume of informal labor that were know prior to your making the theory.

This is not science. Science is based on proving theory with data. It is not making theory, seeing data that does not fit the theory, and then later making excuses as to why the theory is right. This is what I have been saying the whole time. The virus is new and claiming you have all the answers is an exercise in pomposity.

Furthermore, compliance rates should be part of any public health decisions. You do not get to make up policies and then later point to noncompliance as an excuse when your polices do not pan out.

For the record, I have not said masks do not work. If you can make laws requiring people to wear clothes, I see no difference between that and requiring people to wear masks. In that case, if masks might work, I do not understand why people should be against them.

As for social distancing, that is a complete joke. The USA Has funded operations in other countries using cell phone data to track people's movements, and I am sure they are doing it here in secret. The purpose of social distancing then is not to prevent the spread of the virus but tracking people who are known to be infected and seeing their contacts. THAT is certainly an effective means of curtailing the virus, but using GPS data for non-criminals is against the law as is knowing about an individual's health records without his consent.

So when a crisis comes up, and the government uses it to take away our rights or destroy them in secret, I am going to say, "Hang on a second", but obviously, you and JJBee don't care about civil rights because to you all, all government is good.

Paulie97

08-06-20, 04:25

If Chile and NY, which have similar data, are your examples of doing things right then you are a fool. By whom? New York is an especially remarkable example of how to get things done. So much for your sudden love of "data." Check the graphs people, for new cases then daily deaths. Fucking impressive to say the least. You show yourself again as someone that wants to go back and forth until doomsday but has no interest in truth.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/

Chile, though not remotely in the same league as New York is seeing a downturn the last two months.

Wow, so the data does not agree with the theory public health experts have been spouting all this time in Peru. So it is time to revisit the theory and policies then given that the data does not fit the theory and the policies did not work right? That is how you use the scientific method. Is that what Yale did? It's obvious you don't know what the scientific method is and how it's applied. Not all investigations can be performed in a laboratory. It's perfectly appropriate to attempt to understand phenomenons after they occur, so your goal post move is a request for the impossible. If such isn't appropriate then all university history and criminology departments need to be closed without delay. Forget about studying crime scenes. All such is invalid on it's face with your mindset. That said, the demographics and logistics of South American societies are clear factors in their difficulties with containing the virus. As for the terminology in the Yale article that you don't understand, well educate yourself. Google is your friend. I'm not doing all the work for you. If you want to see support for the statements contained, then such is within the article via highlighted links. Follow them and read. But you'll of course never do this. Here's the Yale article plus three others that support the same thesis, and not just for Peru but other countries in the region as well.

And for the audience, remember where this all started? Elvis picked Peru in an attempt to prove that quarantines don't work, and by extension, that masks and social distancing are a waste of time. He claimed that Peru had strict quarantines but still had big troubles with the virus. Then it was pointed out that quaratines are meaningless without compliance, and that there has in fact been plenty of non-compliance in Peru and in many other parts of South America as well. Since then he's been scrambling, flipping, flopping, lying, and weaving fallacies trying to get out from under the weight of this. But he stepped on his dick and it's too late to undo it. He just stepped on it again, but this time with size 10 football cleets when he mocked New York.

https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/despite-effort-perus-covid-19-response-fails

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article244223757.html

https://thebogotapost.com/olis-big-topic-who-polices-the-police/46904/

https://thebogotapost.com/strict-quarantine-to-return-to-bogota/47133/

We can add to this primary source information from members of this forum who have reported it is "business as usual" in El Centro, Medellin.

And it's not just South America. There's plenty of non-compliance in my home state of Florida. I see it all the time in my city, and here's an article with support and quotes from the governor. And no, he's not a "Democrat. " LOL.

https://www.palmcoastobserver.com/article/florida-bars-ordered-to-stop-serving-alcohol-due-to-covid-19-spike

The blowhards at Yale just decided to come up with reasons they were right despite the data saying otherwise.Wow okay. You have shown yourself as the "blowhard" extraordinaire in this forum day after day for months. What "data saying otherwise?" There's no "data" that says the vast majority of the people of Peru obeyed the quarantine rules. There's no "data" that says that they stayed home and did not crowd in markets and banks. There's no data that says large amounts of poor people didn't live in crowded housing, or give up on the quarantine and go out looking for work. There's no "data" that says the police were highly successful at enforcing quarantine measures. As I told you last time, put that back in your ass. It doesn't work. There's much more involved in studying these phenomenons than looking at per capita infection and death rates since the start of the pandemic. But your dimwitted mentality explains well why you dissed New York.

If the data does not fit your theory, you re-examine your theory or explain with data why it failed not make up bullshit excuses littered with Democrat talking points like income inequality, crowded conditions, and high volume of informal labor that were know prior to your making the theory. South America has a lot of poverty moron. LOL Crowded households, large volumes of day laborers, vagabonds, crowded markets, and weak law enforcement are all part of the terrain. So if I mention all the homeless glue sniffers laid out in rows on the sidewalks in El Centro then I'm just reciting BS "democrat" talking points? Truth tends to be inflexible regardless of deflections.

Furthermore, compliance rates should be part of any public health decisions. You do not get to make up policies and then later point to noncompliance as an excuse when your polices do not pan out.Public health officials in Latin America have no more control over compliance than the same in the US. My state Florida is swimming in non-compliance. Absent enforcement resources there isn't a lot that can be done about it. Yet another dimwitted statement from you.

For the record, I have not said masks do not work.You are a liar, but what else is new?

As for social distancing, that is a complete joke.Huh? The "scientific method" has demonstrated how the disease spreads. Keeping distance is a huge help as are masks. Your resistance to these practices and attempts to discredit them is where all these discussions began.

The USA Has funded operations in other countries using cell phone data to track people's movements, and I am sure they are doing it here in secret. The purpose of social distancing then is not to prevent the spread of the virus but tracking people who are known to be infected and seeing their contacts. THAT is certainly an effective means of curtailing the virus, but using GPS data for non-criminals is against the law as is knowing about an individual's health records without his consent.Gotcha. So the social distancing directives in the states are all data collection scams so they can assert control over you. What about every other country in the world that calls for social distancing? What scam are they running? What about your "scientific method" that demonstrates how the disease is spread? You are delusional. That's the bottom line here.

I played hooky tonight but will likely check back again. But I'm done responding to ridiculous statements, extreme goal post shifts, strawmen and other fallacies. I've already gone way beyond the call of duty with that. A reasonable point that hasn't already been covered and I'll likely respond, time permitting.

Cheers gentlemen. Anyone following the discussion do read the links. It's as obvious as the nose on your face. Demographics and logistics in South America are doing a lot to facilitate the spread of Covid.

Black Page

08-06-20, 16:08

that and just spinning out pure BS in the hopes that no one notices.I noticed, and thus I stopped reading.

Paulie97

08-06-20, 19:22

I noticed, and thus I stopped reading.That's probably the best strategy. And take notice of all the points he ignores. For example when he claimed that Europe didn't have any international travel bans. When proven conclusively wrong he drops it like a hot potato. What he does is pick one or two quotes out of a post he thinks he has the best chance of twisting, then goes to town with a range of fallacies, strawmen, burden shifting, non-sequitors, conspiracy theories, contradictions of prior statements, etc, then ends by playing the victim with a comment about Democrats or Trump. Very predictable.

Elvis 2008

08-06-20, 20:19

New York is an especially remarkable example of how to get things done.https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

You lost me right there. New York has more deaths than anywhere else in the nation, and it is not even close. They have had 32,000 deaths. New Jersey is second at around 16,000, and no other state is even above 10,000, and these numbers are not in dispute.

Let me guess, Paulie, you and most other Republicans agree that New York is an example of getting things done.

If you are a Republican, I am Brad Pitt.

Elvis 2008

08-06-20, 21:15

And for the audience, remember where this all started? Elvis picked Peru in an attempt to prove that quarantines don't work, and by extension, that masks and social distancing are a waste of time. He claimed that Peru had strict quarantines but still had big troubles with the virus..Uh, wait a second. I am going after the notion that Trump is being picked on for not following expert advice when the experts often have not had a clue. Peru followed all the advice the experts gave and had lousy results. You and JJBee are the ones all over the map.

This is from today in the NY Times, "Health officials initially gave confusing advice around wearing masks in public. " First thing the NY Times says is that "experts" gave out bad advice about masks. I have said if there is evidence they may work, they should be used. The downside IMO is limited. JJBee and you were dead wrong then about everything being clear from the get go not me. Your line about "by extension" is just you lying. I never said I was against masks. I said the experts did not know what they were talking about. You two lost on this point.

Peru and Colombia are absolute proof that generalized quarantines do not work. There is nothing else to talk about with that. Quarantining people who are not sick and have not been exposed to the virus is as boneheaded a concept as I have seen. You have lost here as well.

Social distancing IS a waste of time when it comes to the spread of the virus. It is a ruse to trace people to get their contact information because you need people to be six feet apart so the GPS on their phone can tell them apart. That data is being used right now: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/analysis-data-15m-phones-shows-some-americans-are-gathering-pre-n1229636.

So you lose on this point as well when you indicated this collection is not going on.

Using GPS data to track people's movements does work. I cannot say that you lost the point totally on social distancing, but if you think you are safe being 6 feet away from someone who is infected with Covid at Walmart but unsafe at 4 feet, you are an idiot.

Using phone data by the way is legal by the way if it is anonymous. But if you think this data is anonymous as are your medical records, I have a bridge to sell you.

There's no "data" that says the vast majority of the people of Peru obeyed the quarantine rules.You do not get to make a statement from New Haven on how people in Peru behaved by declaration. Given how readily available cell phone data is with regards to location and compliance, why is it not being used to back up the claim of lack of compliance? I have asked you for this multiple times to back up this claim and you have not provided it. Now you are trying to prove a negative which means you lost.

"The administration's travel restrictions were insufficient. " Colombia and Peru are absolute proof that travel restrictions did nothing. You lost this point as well as does JJBee when he claimed an air travel ban would have stopped the virus.

And the NY Times echoes your bird brained Fox News angle. "And the president's public statements — including claiming that the virus wasn't serious and would disappear — regularly spread misinformation. " This is as arrogant as it gets. If only we had a different president, the virus would not have spread. That is completely devoid of scientific evidence.

Given that 90% of the people getting Covid in my area are minorities, I think the evidence of Fox News and Trump spreading misinformation as a cause for the virus is incredibly thin. I think if people were asked about what Trump said about the virus most people could not remember anything specific. I cannot say you lost this point but I can say the evidence is not there.

But Paulie, here is the most disgusting thing about what you and JJBee have been spouting, and it is the NYT first point.

"The United States has a tradition of prioritizing individualism over government restrictions. ".

The NYT solution is completely debunked by Peru and Colombia, but it shows what THEIR agenda truly is. They want us all to cede control to the government.

As for me, government action on AIDS and the opioid crisis were unmitigated disasters. If you want to believe the experts totally know what they are talking about, have at it. You have convinced me of nothing outside of the fact that you two are in total lock step with the NYT and their desire to take away our individualism.

It makes me wonder why you guys bother going to Colombia at all.

Then it was pointed out that quaratines are meaningless without compliance, and that there has in fact been plenty of non-compliance in Peru and in many other parts of South America as well. Since then he's been scrambling, flipping, flopping, lying, and weaving fallacies trying to get out from under the weight of this. But he stepped on his dick and it's too late to undo it. He just stepped on it again, but this time with size 10 football cleets when he mocked New York.

https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/despite-effort-perus-covid-19-response-fails

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article244223757.html

https://thebogotapost.com/olis-big-topic-who-polices-the-police/46904/

https://thebogotapost.com/strict-quarantine-to-return-to-bogota/47133/

We can add to this primary source information from members of this forum who have reported it is "business as usual" in El Centro, Medellin.

And it's not just South America. There's plenty of non-compliance in my home state of Florida. I see it all the time in my city, and here's an article with support and quotes from the governor. And no, he's not a "Democrat. " LOL.

https://www.palmcoastobserver.com/article/florida-bars-ordered-to-stop-serving-alcohol-due-to-covid-19-spike

Wow okay. You have shown yourself as the "blowhard" extraordinaire in this forum day after day for months. What "data saying otherwise?" There's no "data" that says the vast majority of the people of Peru obeyed the quarantine rules. There's no "data" that says that they stayed home and did not crowd in markets and banks. There's no data that says large amounts of poor people didn't live in crowded housing, or give up on the quarantine and go out looking for work. There's no "data" that says the police were highly successful at enforcing quarantine measures. As I told you last time, put that back in your ass. It doesn't work. There's much more involved in studying these phenomenons than looking at per capita infection and death rates since the start of the pandemic. But your dimwitted mentality explains well why you dissed New York.

South America has a lot of poverty moron. LOL Crowded households, large volumes of day laborers, vagabonds, crowded markets, and weak law enforcement are all part of the terrain. So if I mention all the homeless glue sniffers laid out in rows on the sidewalks in El Centro then I'm just reciting BS "democrat" talking points? Truth tends to be inflexible regardless of deflections.

Public health officials in Latin America have no more control over compliance than the same in the US. My state Florida is swimming in non-compliance. Absent enforcement resources there isn't a lot that can be done about it. Yet another dimwitted statement from you.

You are a liar, but what else is new?

Huh? The "scientific method" has demonstrated how the disease spreads. Keeping distance is a huge help as are masks. Your resistance to these practices and attempts to discredit them is where all these discussions began.

Gotcha. So the social distancing directives in the states are all data collection scams so they can assert control over you. What about every other country in the world that calls for social distancing? What scam are they running? What about your "scientific method" that demonstrates how the disease is spread? You are delusional. That's the bottom line here.

I played hooky tonight but will likely check back again. But I'm done responding to ridiculous statements, extreme goal post shifts, strawmen and other fallacies. I've already gone way beyond the call of duty with that. A reasonable point that hasn't already been covered and I'll likely respond, time permitting.

Cheers gentlemen. Anyone following the discussion do read the links. It's as obvious as the nose on your face. Demographics and logistics in South America are doing a lot to facilitate the spread of Covid.

Nounce

08-07-20, 02:56

Uh, wait a second. I am going after the notion that Trump is being picked on for not following expert advice when the experts often have not had a clue. Peru followed all the advice the experts gave and had lousy results. You and JJBee are the ones all over the map.Maybe the experts are not experts in this instance. I see that both sides are just comparing failures. Have you thought about changing approach by comparing failure to success? Vietnam is successful so far. How about using it or Korea to draw your conclusion?

JjBee62

08-07-20, 03:47

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

You lost me right there. New York has more deaths than anywhere else in the nation, and it is not even close. They have had 32,000 deaths. New Jersey is second at around 16,000, and no other state is even above 10,000, and these numbers are not in dispute.

Let me guess, Paulie, you and most other Republicans agree that New York is an example of getting things done.

If you are a Republican, I am Brad Pitt.There was a time when I'd read something and think "nobody is that stupid. " Now I just laugh and think "Elvis can top that. " You never disappoint.

The effectiveness of any action or policy is measured by examining the change in the appropriate metrics. For example when a state passes a law requiring motorcycle riders to wear helmets you examine injury and death statistics before and after the law went into effect. In this way you have a measure of the law's impact.

What you don't do, except this is exactly what you do, is look at the statistics 5 years before the law was passed and say "obviously the law didn't work. "

At its peak, on April 14, New York reported over 11,500 new cases. Today they reported less than 750. At its peak, on May 6, New York reported 231 deaths. Today they reported 3.

Let's see how well your logic applies elsewhere.

In 1990 the New England Patriots had a record of 1 win and 15 losses. Therefore, historically they are one of the worst teams in the NFL.

Let's try another one. In 1877 the price of gold was $21.25. Therefore, if you have any gold, you should sell it to anyone offering more than $25 per troy ounce. Take that money and run.

The fact that New York, the site of the worst outbreak in the US, has been more effective than any other state at controlling the outbreak shows how well they handled it, and continue to handle it.

Do you watch any type of auto racing? In your tiny little world of abject stupidity, it's only the starting order which matters, not who wins the race.

Nobody else could be that stupid.

Elvis 2008

08-07-20, 07:16

Maybe the experts are not experts in this instance. I see that both sides are just comparing failures.Exactly right, Nounce, however there is a bigger picture. "If you had to summarize our approach, it's really poor federal leadership — disorganization and denial," said Andy Slavitt, who ran Medicare and Medicaid from 2015 to 2017.

The NYT point is that if we had just listened to guys like Andy Slavitt all would be well right?

Who the fuck is Andy Slavitt? He is an Obama appointee who asked Congress to give him $50 billion to take on Covid and was turned down.

And a big chunk of that $50 billion was going to go to unneeded ventilators to boot.

But let us be a little objective here. Have I blamed JJBee or Paulie for the outbreak? No but JJBee blamed me. Similarly, has anyone blamed Cuomo for the outbreak? No, but Trump has been blamed. Fox News has been blamed but not the NY Times right?

What I think is that the government's approach had very little to do with the virus spreading. Sure, you can do contract tracing, frequent testing, targeted isolation, and it helps, but what pisses me off is the experts take on things. Everywhere the virus has calmed down it is due to the sound advice of experts. Everywhere it is raging, the people are non-compliant and stupid. Come on!

There may be people who know more about this virus than others, but nobody is a fucking expert on this virus. We are all learning. Show me one person who has been 100% right about everything. They do not exist.

When I said Colombia would be open with 99% certainty in July, that was based on the shape of the viral curve. That is why parts of the USA opened up. They were looking at the same data I was, and the virus surged instead of falling like it always had in the past. Why did that happen? I don't know, but Paulie and JJBee know as well as the NY Times. It was not due to a mutation or environmental conditions. No, it was due to stupid Trump and the stupid Republican governors. Give me a break!

Why has the virus been surging in Colombia and Peru when it has burned itself out in Europe? Tell the truth. Don't tell me the academic blowhards make a well reasoned case when they got everything wrong. No one knows why the virus is surging in South America, and no one can say what the best course of action is.

What seems to be lost in this discussion is no one said in March the virus would be eliminated. We were just going to flatten the curve, slow the speed at which the cases were spreading so we would not have to make decisions on who got treatment and who did not, and those life and death decisions never happened. However, the viral cases went way down in Europe and Asia, and many thought the same thing would happen in the Americas, and it didn't.

This whole discussion was supposed to be about when Colombia will be opening. Instead it was a mud fight about supposed experts. Colombia did everything the experts wanted, and the disease raged on anyway and now we have to listen to excuses from the experts who were wrong instead of them being honest and saying they do not know.

What I can say is that I do not think banning international travel is worth doing when the virus is already spreading domestically, so the decision to open up is going to be based more on politics than science.

The real reason Colombia should open up is the last reason the president will give. "I am opening up our airports again because let's be honest, I was wrong for banning international travel because that ban didn't do a fucking thing to slow down the virus here in Colombia. "

The president is going to have to put up with the likes of JJBee and the NYT though that keep spouting the crap that if international travel was banned, the virus would not have spread.

Of course, this is not fair. If the president opens things up and the virus surges, he gets the blame. If he keeps it closed, the economy suffers, and he gets the blame, and it does not help that the number of viral cases is still exploding in Colombia.

His only option then, and it has been the same option that has been exercised in the USA, is to open up slowly and see what happens. Despite the surge of cases in Colombia, one of my chicas told me the September 1 open date is still a go. There is just going to be a small percentage of international flights coming in as opposed to what happened in the past. The goal is to open things totally back up again in November.

The difference is that I do not pretend to know what is going to happen next outside of this. If nothing happens, I doubt the president will get any credit for making a bold move. If there is a surge of cases, you can be assured that there will be a bunch of experts and political opponents proclaiming how stupid he is.

JjBee62

08-07-20, 12:07

I see you still can't figure out how to properly quote. It's amazing the number of ways you manage to make yourself look like an idiot. But, I guess you have to play to your strength.

Uh, wait a second. I am going after the notion that Trump is being picked on for not following expert advice when the experts often have not had a clue. Peru followed all the advice the experts gave and had lousy results. You and JJBee are the ones all over the map.No. Peru didn't follow all the advice the experts gave. The government of Peru issued guidance based upon the experts advice. As was clearly explained in the Yale study, those guidelines were not adhered to by a significant segment of the population. The same has been true in Colombia.

You see, passing a law, or suggesting behavior isn't like waving a magic wand. It doesn't do anything, unless the people follow the law. Just last month Indiana made it illegal to have a cellphone in your hand while driving. I am, every day, in a unique position to see whether or not drivers have a cellphone in their hand. Want to guess how effective the law has been at getting people to put down the phone while driving?

This is from today in the NY Times, "Health officials initially gave confusing advice around wearing masks in public. " First thing the NY Times says is that "experts" gave out bad advice about masks. I have said if there is evidence they may work, they should be used. The downside IMO is limited. JJBee and you were dead wrong then about everything being clear from the get go not me. Your line about "by extension" is just you lying. I never said I was against masks. I said the experts did not know what they were talking about. You two lost on this point.You threw a 3 year old temper tantrum when you were told you had to wear a mask to enter a store. You whined, bitched and cried about it like a fucking baby. Seriously. Like a fucking baby. Too late to change your story on that point.

"Experts. " There was no confusion from experts. The confusion was that a lot of brainless fuckweasels like yourself can't tell an expert from an enema. You actually get it completely wrong every time. The more shit someone is spewing, the more of an expert you think they are. The experts at the beginning said "stay home", "don't hoard masks", "keep your distance" and "you don't need N95 masks to go to Walmart. " Your"experts said "masks cause oxygen deprivation", "masks don't work" and "masks are unconstitutional. ".

Peru and Colombia are absolute proof that generalized quarantines do not work. There is nothing else to talk about with that. Quarantining people who are not sick and have not been exposed to the virus is as boneheaded a concept as I have seen. You have lost here as well.You are absolute proof that it's possible to have an effective IQ under 20. There was no generalized quarantine in Colombia or Peru. Quarantines were ordered. Compliance is another story. Several board members have reported several times on both El Centro and Santa Fe. Did they report that both places were empty? No. They didn't. In fact some reports stated there were more people than before the quarantine.

For those who have large Facebook friend lists, they've seen posts every night showing parties going on. I've had girls I talk to in cities from Cucuta to Armenia tell me that it's mostly been business as usual.

Social distancing IS a waste of time when it comes to the spread of the virus. It is a ruse to trace people to get their contact information because you need people to be six feet apart so the GPS on their phone can tell them apart. That data is being used right now: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/analysis-data-15m-phones-shows-some-americans-are-gathering-pre-n1229636.

So you lose on this point as well when you indicated this collection is not going on.

Using GPS data to track people's movements does work. I cannot say that you lost the point totally on social distancing, but if you think you are safe being 6 feet away from someone who is infected with Covid at Walmart but unsafe at 4 feet, you are an idiot.

Using phone data by the way is legal by the way if it is anonymous. But if you think this data is anonymous as are your medical records, I have a bridge to sell you.Bouncing around like a rubber ball again I see. I'm getting confused here. Is social distancing effective at stopping the spread of the virus, which is what you claimed for Texas? Or is social distancing not effective for stopping the spread of the virus which is what you claimed for New York and what you're claiming now. Does the virus call you up every day to find out whether or not social distancing is working that day?

Oh yes. It's all about tracking people's movements. Yep. Do you own stock in Alcoa? As often as you put on that tinfoil hat, it might be a good investment for you.

You do not get to make a statement from New Haven on how people in Peru behaved by declaration. Given how readily available cell phone data is with regards to location and compliance, why is it not being used to back up the claim of lack of compliance? I have asked you for this multiple times to back up this claim and you have not provided it. Now you are trying to prove a negative which means you lost.

"The administration's travel restrictions were insufficient. " Colombia and Peru are absolute proof that travel restrictions did nothing. You lost this point as well as does JJBee when he claimed an air travel ban would have stopped the virus.No. On everything here. Just no. The claim of non-compliance for Peru has already been backed up multiple times. Your inability to understand simple English seems to prevent you from grasping it.

Once again, you duplicitous, cowardly, idiotic cock-nuzzling shit stick, pay attention:

In January, as I've said twice already, international travel restrictions, combined with aggressive testing and contact tracing, could have contained the virus in China. These things were not done. It's the same fucking thing that was done to contain Ebola. It's not too difficult of a concept to grasp.

As for Colombia and Peru, give it a fucking rest. Once a virus is among the population of a country, it won't disappear by banning international travel. The virus doesn't read the news and say "oh shit! They're shutting down international travel. We need to pack up and go to some country that's not stopping international travel. " It just blows my mind how incredibly fucking stupid you are.

And the NY Times echoes your bird brained Fox News angle. "And the president's public statements including claiming that the virus wasn't serious and would disappear regularly spread misinformation. " This is as arrogant as it gets. If only we had a different president, the virus would not have spread. That is completely devoid of scientific evidence.

Given that 90% of the people getting Covid in my area are minorities, I think the evidence of Fox News and Trump spreading misinformation as a cause for the virus is incredibly thin. I think if people were asked about what Trump said about the virus most people could not remember anything specific. I cannot say you lost this point but I can say the evidence is not there.Although it's no longer necessary to point out that you're a brainless child with no understanding of anything remotely related to science, I'll state it again, in case anyone missed it.

It doesn't require a different President. It requires a President who follows common sense guidelines for infectious disease control. It requires a President who reads intelligence briefings and takes action based upon the advice of experts.

Doesn't matter at all who that President is, as long as he or she takes the appropriate action.

How many specific things Trump said about the virus do you want to hear?

Jan 22 - "It's one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It's going to be just fine.

Feb 26 - "You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.

Mar 17 - "This is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."

There are plenty of other gems out there, but this has to be my all-time favorite:

Apt 23 - "I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that."

Nobody said that the cause of the spread of the virus is the horribly irresponsible information put out by Trump and Fox News. The cause of the spread of the virus is that it's a virus, that spreads. Because that's what viruses do. The criminally stupid misinformation spread by Fox and Trump has been counter-productive to stopping the spread of the virus.

But Paulie, here is the most disgusting thing about what you and JJBee have been spouting, and it is the NYT first point.

"The United States has a tradition of prioritizing individualism over government restrictions. ".

The NYT solution is completely debunked by Peru and Colombia, but it shows what THEIR agenda truly is. They want us all to cede control to the government.

As for me, government action on AIDS and the opioid crisis were unmitigated disasters. If you want to believe the experts totally know what they are talking about, have at it. You have convinced me of nothing outside of the fact that you two are in total lock step with the NYT and their desire to take away our individualism.

It makes me wonder why you guys bother going to Colombia at all.Nobody is trying to take away your right to be a clueless ass clown. I fully support your right to prove your unparalleled stupidity as often as you desire.

Peru and Colombia have debunked nothing, because as had been reported from multiple sources, there was no effective lockdown in Peru and Colombia. You can lie about it as often as you want, but it changes nothing.

Wait a second. The government action on AIDS was an unmitigated disaster? But you've repeatedly said AIDS was a complete hoax which didn't happen at all. How can there have been disastrous action on something which, according to you, never even existed?

Take away your individualism? By telling you to put on a fucking mask? That's it? You're already such a fucking clone that not wearing a mask is the only bit of individualism you have left? How sad and pathetic is that? Here's a tip for you: Get someone to make you a mask that says"I'm not wearing a mask. " Boom! You've salvaged your individualism.

Again: Nobody else could be that stupid.

JjBee62

08-07-20, 18:08

Exactly right, Nounce, however there is a bigger picture. "If you had to summarize our approach, it's really poor federal leadership disorganization and denial," said Andy Slavitt, who ran Medicare and Medicaid from 2015 to 2017.

The NYT point is that if we had just listened to guys like Andy Slavitt all would be well right?

Who the fuck is Andy Slavitt? He is an Obama appointee who asked Congress to give him $50 billion to take on Covid and was turned down.

And a big chunk of that $50 billion was going to go to unneeded ventilators to boot.

But let us be a little objective here. Have I blamed JJBee or Paulie for the outbreak? No but JJBee blamed me. Similarly, has anyone blamed Cuomo for the outbreak? No, but Trump has been blamed. Fox News has been blamed but not the NY Times right?

What I think is that the government's approach had very little to do with the virus spreading. Sure, you can do contract tracing, frequent testing, targeted isolation, and it helps, but what pisses me off is the experts take on things. Everywhere the virus has calmed down it is due to the sound advice of experts. Everywhere it is raging, the people are non-compliant and stupid. Come on!

There may be people who know more about this virus than others, but nobody is a fucking expert on this virus. We are all learning. Show me one person who has been 100% right about everything. They do not exist.

When I said Colombia would be open with 99% certainty in July, that was based on the shape of the viral curve. That is why parts of the USA opened up. They were looking at the same data I was, and the virus surged instead of falling like it always had in the past. Why did that happen? I don't know, but Paulie and JJBee know as well as the NY Times. It was not due to a mutation or environmental conditions. No, it was due to stupid Trump and the stupid Republican governors. Give me a break!

Why has the virus been surging in Colombia and Peru when it has burned itself out in Europe? Tell the truth. Don't tell me the academic blowhards make a well reasoned case when they got everything wrong. No one knows why the virus is surging in South America, and no one can say what the best course of action is.

What seems to be lost in this discussion is no one said in March the virus would be eliminated. We were just going to flatten the curve, slow the speed at which the cases were spreading so we would not have to make decisions on who got treatment and who did not, and those life and death decisions never happened. However, the viral cases went way down in Europe and Asia, and many thought the same thing would happen in the Americas, and it didn't.

This whole discussion was supposed to be about when Colombia will be opening. Instead it was a mud fight about supposed experts. Colombia did everything the experts wanted, and the disease raged on anyway and now we have to listen to excuses from the experts who were wrong instead of them being honest and saying they do not know.

What I can say is that I do not think banning international travel is worth doing when the virus is already spreading domestically, so the decision to open up is going to be based more on politics than science.

The real reason Colombia should open up is the last reason the president will give. "I am opening up our airports again because let's be honest, I was wrong for banning international travel because that ban didn't do a fucking thing to slow down the virus here in Colombia.If you want to discuss the things I have written, you chicken shit dingleberry farmer, quote my posts. This is how debate works. Of course you can't do that because then you won't be able to twist everything to fit your rampant psychosis.

I didn't blame you. I blamed people like you. Whining like someone took away your Anal Dominator 3000 "we have to save the economy."

The reason why the virus is surging and will continue to surge in the US, is because the US stopped trying to stop the virus in May. Instead the US, at the urging of Trump and his herd of sycophants, declared we had to open everything up to save the economy.

It takes 12 weeks to wipe out an outbreak of COVID-19. That's 12 weeks of shutdown, 12 weeks of social distancing, 12 weeks of doing everything possible to stop the spread. The US did 8 weeks. Now we're entering virgin territory. We have a virus which is everywhere and we're treating it like it doesn't exist. Nobody has any idea where it's going to end, because nobody has done any modeling based on doing absolutely nothing.

Colombia will not be open to international flights on September 1. I understand that a hooker told you that it will be open September 1, but I'm pretty sure she's not the hooker who is in charge.

Columbia might be open to international flights December 1, but I wouldn't be buying any non-transferable tickets.

You keep lying, time and time again, about what I have said, yet you absolutely fucking refuse to respond to my post where I said it. Grow a set of balls, or have your sugar daddy buy you a set so you can pretend to have testicles.

For the fourth time:

If international travel had been severely restricted in January, combined with aggressive testing and contact tracing, the virus could have been contained in China. This is exactly what was done to contain the Ebola virus. It's exactly what China did to control the spread of the virus in China, on an international scale.

You see viruses are simple little things. They don't own cars, or planes. They don't have tiny little jetpacks that allow them to flit about like the Motherfucking Jetsons. They have to rely upon infected hosts to take them places. Just like the syphilis which has completely destroyed your brain cells, the coronavirus can't move around the world without outside help.

Everyone, except for you, knows this. Even you have acknowledged it when you praised Trump for shutting down flights from China. Remember that? Of course everyone, except for you, realizes that if they can't fly direct from China to the US, they can fly to Europe and then fly to the US. Which means instead of LA getting all the infected passengers, without any testing requirements, without any quarantine or contact tracing, they all ended up in NYC and NJ.

As I've told you before, except you lack the spine to reply to my posts, the continued travel restrictions have very little to do with controlling the spread in each country. The continued travel bans are to allow each country to allocate resources where they are needed. Why put 200 people at every international airport in Colombia, taking temperatures, testing for COVID-19, interviewing every inbound passenger, establishing quarantine requirements and turning back any suspected carriers, just so a few brainless, nutless, semen swallowers like you can come and play? Why spend the money and manpower making certain none of the inbound passengers violate quarantine? Why add that burden to the other efforts to stop the spread? The economic impact of allowing international travel will be offset by costs at least 5 times as high, not to mention the added strain on testing capacity.

Colombia will not be business as usual September 1. When Colombia does open up for international flights, there will be restrictions on flights from any countries that have not managed to control the spread of the virus.

You can cry, whine, *****, lie and complain all you want and it's not going to change. No matter how many straw men, non sequiturs, arguments from ignorance, slippery slopes, moving goalposts, hasty generalizations, post hoc ergo propter hoc, begging the claim, circular reasoning, ad hominem, ad populum, or red herring fallacies you throw out, it's not going to change the facts.

Get daddy to buy you a pacifier and suck on that until the bans are lifted and you can go back to sucking Colombian dick.

Nounce

08-07-20, 19:06

The fact that New York, the site of the worst outbreak in the US, has been more effective than any other state at controlling the outbreak shows how well they handled it, and continue to handle it.Do you think they handle it effectively from the very beginning before March or after certain time? That to me is an important distinction. If it is the later, then it means they failed before and they have learned their lesson to do better. Just like lots of people need to experience it to learn the lesson and in this case, it is costly.

Elvis 2008

08-08-20, 05:21

I didn't blame you. I blamed people like you.

If international travel had been severely restricted in January, combined with aggressive testing and contact tracing, the virus could have been contained in China. This is exactly what was done to contain the Ebola virus. It's exactly what China did to control the spread of the virus in China, on an international scale.You are so fucking stupid that you cannot make up your mind who to blame. Is it people like me or was it the international community? Is it China, Europe, or the US? On one hand, you say the virus travels on its own and politics do not matter than you blame Trump.

Do you realize what a narcissistic, egotistical fuck you have to be to claim that YOU know what would have stopped this virus?

On the one hand, you say that laws are worthless if they are not enforced. Yet, you propose the whole international community follow a law passed by whom? And enforced by whom?

Of course, it is no surprise to me that a liberal dumb ass like you claims to have complete knowledge about the virus and blames people who like Trump. Yes, we are the problem when it comes to the virus. Then tell me please why New York, a Democrat stronghold, has more deaths than any other state by a mile? How was that the fault of people like me? Here is why, dumbass. Because your dumb ass liberal governor, the one who showed "real leadership", ordered infected nursing homes residents to not be isolated in Covid only nursing homes. THAT was the single dumbest political decision made with regards to lives, and the numbers back it up!

If you actually get your news from medical journals and not MSDNC and the NYT, you would see there is controversy even about how the virus is spread. This is from JAMA:

All told, current understanding about SARS-CoV-2 transmission is still limited. There are no perfect experimental data proving or disproving droplet vs aerosol-based transmission of SARS-CoV-2. The balance of evidence, however, seems inconsistent with aerosol-based transmission of SARS-CoV-2 particularly in well-ventilated spaces. What this means in practice is that keeping 6-feet apart from other people and wearing medical masks, high-quality cloth masks, or face shields when it is not possible to be 6-feet apart (for both source control and respiratory protection) should be adequate to minimize the spread of SARS-CoV-2 (in addition to frequent hand hygiene, environmental cleaning, and optimizing indoor ventilation).

To be sure, there are rarely absolutes in biological systems, people produce both droplets and aerosols, transmission may take place along a spectrum, and even medical masks likely provide some protection against aerosols. 6,10 It is impossible to conclude that aerosol-based transmission never occurs and it is perfectly understandable that many prefer to err on the side of caution, particularly in health care settings when caring for patients with suspected or confirmed COVID-19. However, the balance of currently available evidence suggests that long-range aerosol-based transmission is not the dominant mode of SARS-CoV-2 transmission.

And here is a rebuttal to that POV:

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/934837

The reason why the virus is surging and will continue to surge in the US, is because the US stopped trying to stop the virus in May. Instead the US, at the urging of Trump and his herd of sycophants, declared we had to open everything up to save the economy.Show me one expert who was 100% right on the virus and who Trump should have listened to. No one was 100% right. The experts do not even agree on how the virus is transmitted.

Colombia will not be open to international flights on September 1.Whatever, dumb ass. The ban did no good anyway. The data looks bad, but the ban did no good whatsoever. It is a political decision.

The economic impact of allowing international travel will be offset by costs at least 5 times as high, not to mention the added strain on testing capacity.It is amazing when you pull stats like this out of your ass and think that is respectable.

As I've told you before, except you lack the spine to reply to my posts, the continued travel restrictions have very little to do with controlling the spread in each country.Right, the travel bans are in place to destroy the world economy.

The continued travel bans are to allow each country to allocate resources where they are needed. Why put 200 people at every international airport in Colombia, taking temperatures, testing for COVID-19, interviewing every inbound passenger, establishing quarantine requirements and turning back any suspected carriers, just so a few brainless, nutless, semen swallowers like you can come and play?What color is the sky in your world? Do you know how many people in Colombia are twiddling their thumbs right now?

You are not being a very good liberal socialist pig when you go against globalism.

Columbia might be open to international flights December 1, but I wouldn't be buying any non-transferable tickets.Oh, I see after the election. Yeah, assholes like you want to totally destroy the world economy to get Trump out of office. Thanks for confirming it.

Turgid

08-08-20, 14:34

.........But Carry On, I know what I am and what I am not! Pollo Negro is Out!And you carry on throwing money around and giving several hundred thousands of pesos to persons you do not know.

PolloNegro

08-08-20, 14:38

And you carry on throwing money around and giving several hundred thousands of pesos to persons you do not know.I been with the same Girl since late April, so who am I freely giving pesos to? See'Mon. Dude, you threw shade & I addressed it, don't be daft! Pollo negro is out!

JjBee62

08-08-20, 17:13

Do you think they handle it effectively from the very beginning before March or after certain time? That to me is an important distinction. If it is the later, then it means they failed before and they have learned their lesson to do better. Just like lots of people need to experience it to learn the lesson and in this case, it is costly.Yes. Initially they failed. Initially the entire US failed. New York was hardest hit because NYC has the highest population density in the US, the highest public transportation usage and the highest number of international arrivals. It's not a surprise they were hardest hit.

However, they took action and continue to take action. Their numbers now are among the best in the US. They learned. That is a mark of leadership.

What's sad is that, instead of learning from New York, most of the US stood around criticizing them. Now places like Houston and Miami are facing the same problems.

Back in April, New York hospitals were paying registered nurses $5,000 and up per week to come work in NYC. That all ended in July when they no longer needed the staffing. Right now, Florida hospitals (with a much lower cost of living) are paying up to $4,400 per week for nurses because of staffing shortages.

It could have all been prevented, but that's asking a lot. People have to suffer and die before we will take serious action. So, 100,000 US deaths, or 150,000 were probably unavoidable, necessary losses to wake the country up and pull it together. But there's nobody pulling it together. Everyone is pulling in their own direction. Without any coherent leadership it's anyone's guess how much worse it will get.

200 k by the end of August? 400 k by the end of September? Who knows?

JjBee62

08-08-20, 20:15

JjBee62

08-08-20, 20:43

You are so fucking stupid that you cannot make up your mind who to blame. Is it people like me or was it the international community? Is it China, Europe, or the US? On one hand, you say the virus travels on its own and politics do not matter than you blame Trump.

Do you realize what a narcissistic, egotistical fuck you have to be to claim that YOU know what would have stopped this virus?

On the one hand, you say that laws are worthless if they are not enforced. Yet, you propose the whole international community follow a law passed by whom? And enforced by whom?

Of course, it is no surprise to me that a liberal dumb ass like you claims to have complete knowledge about the virus and blames people who like Trump. Yes, we are the problem when it comes to the virus. Then tell me please why New York, a Democrat stronghold, has more deaths than any other state by a mile? How was that the fault of people like me? Here is why, dumbass. Because your dumb ass liberal governor, the one who showed "real leadership", ordered infected nursing homes residents to not be isolated in Covid only nursing homes. THAT was the single dumbest political decision made with regards to lives, and the numbers back it up!.Did you forget to take your Lithium today?

I've never claimed to know everything about anything, certainly not about this virus. The voices in your head are lying to you, just like they were lying when they said drinking hand sanitizer was a good idea. You really shouldn't have listened to them.

But, let's entertain your fantasy for a moment. Go search my posts. Find one place where I claimed to know everything about this virus. Link it here and I'll send you $1,000 and I'll leave ISG. Surely you can do that.

I don't have the time or energy to deal with all of your educational deficiencies today. Let's just stick with one of the idiotic things you keep repeating:

"None of the experts have been 100% right."

100% is a mathematical concept, it has no other place in science. In fact, the idea of being 100% correct is antithetical to science. It's the mistaken belief there is no more knowledge to be gained.

The pinnacle of scientific achievement is the theory. Most people use the word without any knowledge of what a theory is. You've used it several times, showing your complete lack of knowledge of science.

The dictionary definition of theory is:

"a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained."

Which is not the definition of a scientific theory. In science a theory is the best current explanation for observed phenomena which accounts for all known data without contradiction. As anyone can see, there's no place for 100% in there. As more data becomes available, the theory must account for it, it must evolve as the tree of knowledge grows.

However, let's try out your "we can't trust anything from anyone who is not always 100% correct" claim. If you're going to apply it to the novel coronavirus, it's only fair you apply the same standard everywhere.

Let's start with Trump, because that's the easiest. You can't believe anything Trump says because he wasn't 100% correct when he said the 15 cases would soon be zero. I could pick out 30 more examples, but using your standard, anything less than 100% means everything coming from that source must be ignored.

Shall we look at your Bulgarian butt buddies? Have they been 100% correct on everything over the years? If not, everything from them, using your logic, must be assumed to be wrong.

Next on the agenda, air travel. Planes still crash. Therefore you can never get on another plane, because they're not 100% safe.

Women? Yep. You know that you've picked women who haven't lived up to your expectations. You're going to have to give them up too.

Add food to the list. Not all food is 100% safe to eat, therefore, no food is safe to eat.

You'll need to stop breathing too. We all know the air isn't 100% safe.

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? But that's the standard you're trying to hold every expert to. Worse, you're claiming that anyone who isn't an expert, who makes 1 correct statement needs to be accepted as always being 100% correct, no matter how wrong everything else is.

Keep trying Elvirus.

Paulie97

08-08-20, 23:15

Check my photo attachments, a huge high five to New Yorkers who learned and have done a marvelous job of containing a pandemic. The same data can be found via the link below, and by scrolling down and viewing the graphs related to daily new cases and daily deaths, fucking impressive.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/

Enjoy your weekend gentlemen, and again, hats off to New York! .

Paulie97

08-09-20, 03:10

How to do it and how not to do it, the Covid response with reopening efforts in New York when compared to states such Florida, Georgia, Texas, and California.

"As the cases and deaths rose and hospital spaces were filled up across New York, city and state leaders increased their strict health mandates, ordering that all New Yorkers wear a face covering outdoors in April and maintain social distancing while businesses remained shuttered.

Carol Gomes, the CEO of Stony Brook University Hospital in Suffolk County, told ABC News she believes more people took the governor's orders seriously because of his constant and informative daily news conferences.

While there were some who still blatantly ignored the mandates for face coverings and social distancing, New York residents, by and large, adhered to the health guidance because they were being hit constantly with reminders of that COVID-19 curve, according to Gomes.

'I really do believe that the focus on the balance was communicating with the public about reducing the spread. You go to supermarkets and everyone was wearing masks,' she told ABC News. 'There was continuous reinforcement of the orders in our communities. '.

The efforts paid off, according to Braithwaite, as the data showed cases and deaths were going down throughout the state in April and May. "

And they are still going down even to this day. .

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/york-coronavirus-bay-states-surges/story?id=71772507

Turgid

08-09-20, 16:13

I been with the same Girl since late April, so who am I freely giving pesos to? See'Mon. Dude, you threw shade & I addressed it, don't be daft! Pollo negro is out!Good to know that you are not freely giving pesos because throwing money around makes you look like a damn fool, a joke or a cartel member.

West270

08-09-20, 19:11

Did you forget to take your Lithium today?

I've never claimed to know everything about anything, certainly not about this virus. The voices in your head are lying to you, just like they were lying when they said drinking hand sanitizer was a good idea. You really shouldn't have listened to them.

But, let's entertain your fantasy for a moment. Go search my posts. Find one place where I claimed to know everything about this virus. Link it here and I'll send you $1,000 and I'll leave ISG. Surely you can do that.

I don't have the time or energy to deal with all of your educational deficiencies today. Let's just stick with one of the idiotic things you keep repeating:

"None of the experts have been 100% right."

100% is a mathematical concept, it has no other place in science. In fact, the idea of being 100% correct is antithetical to science. It's the mistaken belief there is no more knowledge to be gained...This situation is by design an attempt to divide and conqueror. When I have these types of disagreements I try not to add to the problem by casting aspersions. I try to end it by agreeing to disagree. We all make up the community and to disparage one another is just another casualty of the situation.

Politics and Health are super explosive and so I wish we all could avoid that as best possible. I wish the very best to all in the forum on us getting back on track as to why we are here and to me it isn't to argue but to collaborate in our carnal pursuits. Off to Tijuana for me to help out some hurting Latinas.

Peace and Love Gents over Hate and Judgment!

Paulie97

08-09-20, 20:49

Elvis 2008

08-09-20, 22:16

This situation is by design an attempt to divide and conqueror. When I have these types of disagreements I try not to add to the problem by casting aspersions. I try to end it by agreeing to disagree. We all make up the community and to disparage one another is just another casualty of the situation.West, the reason I actually engage in these debates is that it motivates me to get to the truth. Maybe I should not allow this to be my means of motivation, but too often, that is what does it.

As far as it stands right now, I can get upset all I want about the political noise in politics but the MSDNC approach has worked, and Trump is down, but the frustrating part is the political noise has gotten in the way of the truth.

But I did dig down further than I ever had on the experts and their opinions, and the experts were horribly, horribly wrong about so much. One of the things that I have noticed people do is to escape blame, people will be happy to not accept responsibility if blame can be dumped on someone else. So if the Democrats want to blame Trump for not listening to the so called experts, the so called experts will be happy to blame Trump too or just stay quiet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOeVkg9P-R8

Here is an expert who is flat out wrong. Now I know why he said what he said.

The basis for this statement was the assumption that Corona would act like Influenza and the several scientific studies showed that masks do not work when it comes to the spread of influenza. N95 was supposed to be the only mask worth a damn which was wrong. In fact, N95 masks may have a higher side effect profile than surgical or cloth masks, and there is no evidence they work better with Covid.

What changed with masks were very strong anecdotal reports. Now if you look into what these reports were, you will see horrific mistakes that were made and not just with masks but pretty much everything.

So there are these strong anecdotal reports about masks and the so called experts ask us to do a 180 and do not tell us why they changed their minds about masks because they will look badly. So before it was do not wear masks and now it is do it because we said so. The resistance is because people do not know why, and if the so called experts give the reason, they have to admit fault, so they use shame instead of explanation. On top of that, you have one political party that is playing the theme the experts know best, and Trump did not listen to them. That explanation will win over half of America.

I will give you another screwup: hand washing. This is a policy that was put in place because of influenza, but there is considerable evidence showing hand washing does no good with Covid. It is no big deal though because usually it does not hurt anything to wash your hands.

One of the frustrating things is that the ruling leader decides more which class of experts get paid off versus picking the experts who give the best advice. Who is president will likely have little effect on my life, but the lifelong bureaucrats at the three letter agencies IMO influence our day to day lives all the time, and it bugs me that they can screw up and get off scott free.

We are paying them after all, but the biggest fuckup in this whole Covid mess that everyone agrees on was the FDA and CDC screwing up early Covid testing. How many lives that cost is beyond me. Yes, Trump should get some of the blame, but the so called experts there really screwed the pooch. We have no idea who messed up, and sadly because it is so hard to fire federal workers, they are likely still there.

Part of the debate was on whether Colombia or Peru was non compliant or was something else going on with the virus there. Paulie put out that ridiculously self absorbed Yale study. What Yale should have said is the number of Covid cases and deaths were higher than expected and we do not know why, but experts are not supposed to say they do not know. If you are touting public social distancing, hand washing, and general quarantines as the methods to slow down the virus, you cannot go back and say "We were wrong. Those do not work to prevent the spread of the virus. " So what did the Yale guys say? Pretty much that we are brilliant and Peru and Peruvians suck. I see that kind of crap from Ivy league type blowhards all the time.

So what did my deep dive show? The advice given to Peru by the so called experts was awful, and there was a viral mutation in the South American nations that was much more virulent. I guessed the second part, but I had no idea how bad the first part was.

As for Colombia, what I learned is the international travel ban should be lifted yesterday and in fact, it should have never been put into effect in the first place. Colombia has much the same mutant strain that is present in Peru, and they too listened too well to the so called experts and are paying the price.

When you say that you agree to disagree, that is fine when all the facts are known. So if Paulie wants to say NY is a success based on their recent numbers, I can say I agree to disagree because the facts are known. But what was happening in Colombia and overall with the virus was not fitting to me, and I will listen to people who do not agree with me and will change my opinion about things if a good case is made. For me, truth is more important than harmony.

So it was not about winning the argument but getting to the truth, and I feel comfortable now with a judgement I think and feel is as close to the truth as possible.

I will give you an example of a judgement I made in the past. Everyone has experienced the fact one way or another donuts and ice cream are comfort foods but some people seem to love them more than others. So when I tell people that I learned that the wheat or gluten in donuts and the milk protein, casein in ice cream are converted by the body to morphine like peptides in varying degrees, I do not get anyone who disagrees. I get people saying, "Oh that is why. "

When I explained to people who had similar observations with Covid that I did what I learned, I got the same response, "Oh, okay that is why. " You can get the ice cream and donut explanation but maybe not the Covid one because you have not observed what we have. What the experts were telling us did not fit.