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11-10-2022 Message from Paulie97.
"I'll be there early next week, will gladly meet you anywhere you like, and I'll even buy the beer. " and there were others. I don't recall that one, but assuming this isn't pulled out of your ass, and you really have messages so old, then you've just confirmed yourself a liar again. That's because since that's the soonest you have, then I'm certainly not at present trying to meet up with you as claimed.
His posts were removed at his own request. Any more conclusions you want to jump to? And someone should just take your word for that? That also makes no sense as his posts were musings from the depths of the gutter long before then. Why a sudden about-face? I reported the posts and the same day they were removed.
So why don't you prove something.Now this more than anything demonstrates what a major lightweight you are. You made the positive claims, so the burden of proof is on you. You obviously haven't passed any classes where the fundamentals of logic and debate are taught. You claimed that I, and in ISG, claimed to work for near minimum wage. Link us to the post where I said this, or even something like it. You also claim to have it on a "good source" that I stay in hostels. Prove it. Tell us about this "source," as I've never been in a hostel in my life. And we know it's not JJBee62 as he's denied that I said anything like that while he confirmed my preferred hotel. Those are positive claims made by you, and you can't slither out of them back peddling and calling them opinions. Step up to the plate.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
You characterized Hotel Dorado where I stayed for quite a while as a dumpy la 70 hotel. You are a liar. Elvis called it that and I corrected him. I just said you can get in there for rent in the low 30 dollar range per night. I also said that camped out full time there is inconsistent with your claim that you are traveling the world staying in luxury hotels.
As to your employment, you stated once before that you had no advanced education (which is pretty evident from the plethora of grammatical and spelling errors you publish) and that you had no financial resources of any note. That is an absolute lie. Link us to the posts here where I made these statements. I haven't spoken openly here one way or another about my education. I said I was of "modest means" and I am. The career I chose doesn't come with high salaries but I made far more than minimum wage and am now retired with a pension.
You also are a major lightweight when you play spelling police. LOL It shows you have no argument to make. But feel free to point out the "plethora" of errors. There's another positive claim so it's your obligation to prove it. I do make the occasional typo and missed comma, and rare misspelling, but this is informal. I'm not writing for publication. This of course has nothing to do with anything but yea, step up and prove it. "Plethora" LOL I sure garner a lot of attention from you and JJBee for someone you claim is so incompetent. LOL.
I haved lived here in Medellin for 4 !/2 years and have two other expat friends who have lived here about the same amount of time. None of the 3 of us have ever had a problem with the taxis here in Medellin.Wait a sec here. You say "I haved lived here in Medellin for 4 !/4 years. " What the fuck kind of sentence is that?? ROFL And where's the "proofreading?" It never fails. People who choose your so weak line of attack usually step on their dick in the process.
I couldn't care less about your very small sampling and anecdotes, or what you claim a couple of acquaintances told you.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
Rogue taxis are fairly common while Uber gives you a paper trail. It's the safer bet in Medellin. But you are so stupid as to think that because you allegedly haven't been jacked yet, and allegedly nor have your two drinking buddies, that it can't happen. That's the overwhelming consensus from Medellin travel related channels, whether a hardline or more optimistic angle on safety is taken. These represent much larger communities than you and your two pals, and they advise to take Ubers.
I never said anything at all about kidnappings.You certainly did. What is kidnapping but "keeping" someone? And you told everyone that there would be no need for the crooks to keep them if the balances connected to their bank cards were drained. But of course they can seek to have you replenish these accounts or contact friends and family for ransom. And FARC and ELN aren't the only ones up to this.
You could really improve yourself if you took a remedial reading class. You could truly improve yourself if you stop lying, making stuff up, playing the feeble and desperate spelling police in online debates, or asking others to prove points when you are the one making the positive claims.
And you and JJBee both could improve yourself a lot if you'd quit whining when you get attacked, as you both are fond of attacking others. You are hypocrites, and only cry when you start getting banged around. Learn to take it if you want to dish it out, and learn to fight your own battles without relying on any help from an online crony.
By the way, a question, do you believe JjBee62 when he says he doesn't send his 20 year old Colombian "girlfriend" any money? I only ask because you made the case that cash payments, birthday gifts, etc. Make men in their 60's "look handsome. " Sounds like you and your flame war tag team partner might have a conflict of interest. Wink.
P.S. You answered the post point by point. That showed a bit of balls for a change. Now keep it up. You have plenty more work to do. Any reply may take some time as I'm leaving for vacation next week, and at some point I'll tire of correcting lies and logical fallacies so try to tighten up your game.
I don't recall that one, but assuming this isn't pulled out of your ass, and you really have messages so old, then you've just confirmed yourself a liar again. That's because since that's the soonest you have, then I'm certainly not at present trying to meet up with you as claimed.
And someone should just take your word for that? That also makes no sense as his posts were musings from the depths of the gutter long before then. Why a sudden about-face? I reported the posts and the same day they were removed.
Now this more than anything demonstrates what a major lightweight you are. You made the positive claims, so the burden of proof is on you. You obviously haven't passed any classes where the fundamentals of logic and debate are taught. You claimed that I, and in ISG, claimed to work for near minimum wage. Link us to the post where I said this, or even something like it. You also claim to have it on a "good source" that I stay in hostels. Prove it. Tell us about this "source," as I've never been in a hostel in my life. And we know it's not JJBee62 as he's denied that I said anything like that while he confirmed my preferred hotel. Those are positive claims made by you, and you can't slither out of them back peddling and calling them opinions. Step up to the plate.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
You are a liar. Elvis called it that and I corrected him. I just said you can get in there for rent in the low 30 dollar range per night. I also said that camped out full time there is inconsistent with your claim that you are traveling the world staying in luxury hotels.
That is an absolute lie. Link us to the posts here where I made these statements. I haven't spoken openly here one way or another about my education. I said I was of "modest means" and I am. The career I chose doesn't come with high salaries but I made far more than minimum wage and am now retired with a pension.
You also are a major lightweight when you play spelling police. LOL It shows you have no argument to make. But feel free to point out the "plethora" of errors. There's another positive claim so it's your obligation to prove it. I do make the occasional typo and missed comma, and rare misspelling, but this is informal. I'm not writing for publication. This of course has nothing to do with anything but yea, step up and prove it. "Plethora" LOL I sure garner a lot of attention from you and JJBee for someone you claim is so incompetent. LOL.
Wait a sec here. You say "I haved lived here in Medellin for 4 !/4 years. " What the fuck kind of sentence is that?? ROFL And where's the "proofreading?" It never fails. People who choose your so weak line of attack usually step on their dick in the process.
I couldn't care less about your very small sampling and anecdotes, or what you claim a couple of acquaintances told you.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
Rogue taxis are fairly common while Uber gives you a paper trail. It's the safer bet in Medellin. But you are so stupid as to think that because you allegedly haven't been jacked yet, and allegedly nor have your two drinking buddies, that it can't happen. That's the overwhelming consensus from Medellin travel related channels, whether a hardline or more optimistic angle on safety is taken. These represent much larger communities than you and your two pals, and they advise to take Ubers.
You certainly did. What is kidnapping but "keeping" someone? And you told everyone that there would be no need for the crooks to keep them if the balances connected to their bank cards were drained. But of course they can seek to have you replenish these accounts or contact friends and family for ransom. And FARC and ELN aren't the only ones up to this.
You could truly improve yourself if you stop lying, making stuff up, playing the feeble and desperate spelling police in online debates, or asking others to prove points when you are the one making the positive claims.
And you and JJBee both could improve yourself a lot if you'd quit whining when you get attacked, as you both are fond of attacking others. You are hypocrites, and only cry when you start getting banged around. Learn to take it if you want to dish it out, and learn to fight your own battles without relying on any help from an online crony.
By the way, a question, do you believe JjBee62 when he says he doesn't send his 20 year old Colombian "girlfriend" any money? I only ask because you made the case that cash payments, birthday gifts, etc. Make men in their 60's "look handsome. " Sounds like you and your flame war tag team partner might have a conflict of interest. Wink.
P.S. You answered the post point by point. That showed a bit of balls for a change. Now keep it up. You have plenty more work to do. Any reply may take some time as I'm leaving for vacation next week, and at some point I'll tire of correcting lies and logical fallacies so try to tighten up your game.I'm too lazy to break it all down and most of it doesn't pertain to me. However, I have a question.
You're often pointing out the logical fallacies of others. Why don't you either point out your own logical fallacies, or stop relying on them for most of your argument?
The ad hominen fallacies are rampant, but that's not your most egregious abuse. What's the logical fallacy when your entire argument is based upon personal, biased beliefs without any evidence whatsoever?
Here's an example:
By the way, a question, do you believe JjBee62 when he says he doesn't send his 20 year old Colombian "girlfriend" any money? I only ask because you made the case that cash payments, birthday gifts, etc. Make men in their 60's "look handsome. " Sounds like you and your flame war tag team partner might have a conflict of interest. WinkFirst, I've stated multiple times that I have sent her money at times, when I had a good reason. I've also spent a lot of money on her, which is no different than if I was dating someone in my own age group, locally. When I wanted to take her scuba diving, I sent her money to get certified. There have been several times when I've sent money, although I haven't sent any money for over 6 months. As I've stated before it would make no sense to send her money at this time. Sending money requires a fee, and then the money would be where she isn't. What I've never done is get involved in regular monthly payments.
But the meat of the matter is that you believe it's impossible to date a girl 40 years younger, except as some variation on prostitution. That's your whole argument, you don't believe.
I'll spell it out again, step by step, how to get a girlfriend. This works wherever you are and works with younger and older women.
1. Find a girl who interests you, preferably one who is in no way involved in prostitution.
2. Talk to her. Talk about normal things, make her laugh, make sure she enjoys conversing with you. Get her interested in you as a person.
3. Take your time. Flirt, but lightly, don't push the conversation to sex. I spent 2 months chatting with her before sex became a topic and she's the one who brought it up. It took another year before there was any type of sexual contact and 2 years before we ended up in her bed.
4. Spend wisely. If she's throwing out prices for her attention, you're not getting a girlfriend, you're getting an ambitious hooker.
5. Show her the world that she's dreamed about.
6. Go back to step 2 and repeat all of the above.
I'm too lazy to break it all down and most of it doesn't pertain to me. However, I have a question. You're often pointing out the logical fallacies of others. Why don't you either point out your own logical fallacies, or stop relying on them for most of your argument? The ad hominen fallacies are rampant, You complain about logical fallacies and commit one in the process, false equivalence. Reminds me of V and his spelling errors while playing spelling police.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/False-Equivalence
V put words in my mouth, and when called out for it put more in my mouth. I directed him to link me to the ISG posts where I made such statements about myself, and he told me to prove matters to the contrary while playing spelling police. That has no affinity to a mudslinging contest (ad hominems) on a thread where that's normative. You've played that game more and for longer than anyone else. That's why I call it your thread. Wink Therefore we can add hypocrisy to your missteps.
but that's not your most egregious abuse. What's the logical fallacy when your entire argument is based upon personal, biased beliefs without any evidence whatsoever?...
First, I've stated multiple times that I have sent her money at times, when I had a good reason. I've also spent a lot of money on her, which is no different than if I was dating someone in my own age group, locally. When I wanted to take her scuba diving, I sent her money to get certified. There have been several times when I've sent money, although I haven't sent any money for over 6 months. As I've stated before it would make no sense to send her money at this time. Sending money requires a fee, and then the money would be where she isn't. What I've never done is get involved in regular monthly payments. I've yet to see any evidence that this "girlfriend" even exists, while definitions of that word are fluid. Your personal stories don't count. They can't be verified, while you have motive to shade the truth as you have since last summer been trying to get the better of various disputes surrounding this subject. This while, in case you are wondering, I have no obligation to prove you don't have a young Colombian girlfriend. That's quite different logically than my asking someone to prove I made certain statements in the past. I either made those statements here or I didn't. If the statements exist, then proof is possible via research, but of course they don't. I can though have some educated opinions about your girlfriend subject.
Your typical geriatric male / very young female relationship involves money, and you admit that you are sending it, though with a 6 month break. I believe this is a modified or clarified position of what was an original claim that you aren't sending money, but I'm not sure. I don't read every word of your posts, while I skip many altogether, as many are very wordy. I'm not going back to read your entire 6 month flame war with MiamiBoy1. But if the "girlfriend" exists, I'd bet you've met a need many times within the last six months. Or maybe you've really quit sending money for that long and only think you still have a girlfriend. No one knows for sure, nor can they, as we are reliant entirely on an unreliable person, you, for information. But I have some opinions based on common patterns in overseas relationships with huge age gaps. And I'd even call the 6 month gap no send money claim "far-fetched" as well, if you have a "girlfriend" that still considers herself the same.
Regardless you still get to be the center of attention here, which I believe it's all ultimately about anyway. You've once again had the opportunity to brag about having a young girlfriend that loves you just for you, and not for money, but because you are such a prince of a guy, all while you brag about banging other girls including hookers behind her back. That's just more of the same grandiosity that you want all in a hooker forum to be aware of. But to your credit, you're willing to listen to the same self-aggrandizing nonsense from others judging by the company you keep, though that's mostly a trade off.
But the meat of the matter is that you believe it's impossible to date a girl 40 years younger, except as some variation on prostitution.You've said before that FB is your go to method for finding girls in Medellin. That for members of this forum is typically a prostitution scene. You've often given advice about how to handle prostitutes in your hotel room. Was your purported girlfriend ever a prostitute? You can say no but that means very little. It can't be verfied. It would be very difficult to prove either way. I personally wouldn't believe anything you say beyond what I've personally observed.
I believe it's possible for a 20 year old woman to hook up with a man in his 60's who isn't providing financial assistance, as about anything is "possible" when it comes to human relations. Though it would be quite rare, and isn't the case with you.
I'm back to leaving you alone as promised. Admittedly I drew you back in when I dropped your name.
I'm too lazy to break it all down and most of it doesn't pertain to me. However, I have a question.
You're often pointing out the logical fallacies of others. Why don't you either point out your own logical fallacies, or stop relying on them for most of your argument?
The ad hominen fallacies are rampant, but that's not your most egregious abuse. What's the logical fallacy when your entire argument is based upon personal, biased beliefs without any evidence whatsoever?
Here's an example:
First, I've stated multiple times that I have sent her money at times, when I had a good reason. I've also spent a lot of money on her, which is no different than if I was dating someone in my own age group, locally. When I wanted to take her scuba diving, I sent her money to get certified. There have been several times when I've sent money, although I haven't sent any money for over 6 months. As I've stated before it would make no sense to send her money at this time. Sending money requires a fee, and then the money would be where she isn't. What I've never done is get involved in regular monthly payments.
But the meat of the matter is that you believe it's impossible to date a girl 40 years younger, except as some variation on prostitution. That's your whole argument, you don't believe.
I'll spell it out again, step by step, how to get a girlfriend. This works wherever you are and works with younger and older women.
1. Find a girl who interests you, preferably one who is in no way involved in prostitution.
2. Talk to her. Talk about normal things, make her laugh, make sure she enjoys conversing with you. Get her interested in you as a person.
3. Take your time. Flirt, but lightly, don't push the conversation to sex. I spent 2 months chatting with her before sex became a topic and she's the one who brought it up. It took another year before there was any type of sexual contact and 2 years before we ended up in her bed.
4. Spend wisely. If she's throwing out prices for her attention, you're not getting a girlfriend, you're getting an ambitious hooker.
5. Show her the world that she's dreamed about.
6. Go back to step 2 and repeat all of the above.You forgot to mention that you had been fucking hoes during those 2 years of playing a white knight role. Also, she was probably not of legal age when you first met her.
What you described looks like a sugar daddy. Sugar baby relationship, not a real BF. GF relationship.
Mr Enternational
03-29-24, 05:04
You forgot to mention that you had been fucking hoes during those 2 years of playing a white knight role.How is having a girlfriend playing a white knight role? So the queen of Thailand is not really in a relationship with the king because the king has a concubine? Fucking hoes has nothing to do with being in a relationship.
Also, she was probably not of legal age when you first met her.What the fuck all does that have to do with anything? If she was of legal age when he first had sexual relations with her is what legally matters.
What you described looks like a sugar daddy. Sugar baby relationship, not a real BF. GF relationship.On the basis of what? An age difference? He has already admitted that he does not give her money like that. Meanwhile another board member, Elvis, says there is a big age difference between him and his girl AND he pays all her bills. Yet he is touted for having an actual relationship instead of being a sugar daddy, because "when a man loves a woman he will support her".
You guys do the same shit when it comes to labeling hookers. Oh the girl I was with is not an actual hooker because she only fucks for money on Wednesdays or because she has a normal job too, or because she is in school, or because she only needs milk money for the baby. Internet mfs always picking and choosing when and how they want a word to be defined. Open up the dictionary and definitions are already there. You do not get to tailor it how you see fit on the occasions that you feel like it. That is how dudes get to call themselves women and everybody else has to play along with the delusion knowing the person is not an actual woman.
You forgot to mention that you had been fucking hoes during those 2 years of playing a white knight role. Also, she was probably not of legal age when you first met her.
What you described looks like a sugar daddy. Sugar baby relationship, not a real BF. GF relationship.I didn't mention it because it was not pertinent to my response. And I didn't play any role. I did what billions of men, throughout history have done when they were interested in women. I talked to her. I also didn't mention that I was talking with at least a dozen other girls at the same time, just normal girls, stuck on quarantine and bored. If you can carry a conversation that's more interesting than unbuttered toast, you can do the exact same thing. Bonus points if you can make jokes in Spanish.
There is no legal age to have a conversation with a girl. I had many conversations while she was still 17. We did not meet until 1 month after she turned 18. There's also no legal age to meet a girl.
Really? You haven't seen it, haven't seen me, haven't seen her but it "looks like a sugar daddy, sugar baby relationship?" In what way? Maybe I misunderstand what a SB / SD relationship is. I'll describe what I think it is and then you can compare.
A SB / SD relationship is where the girl is looking for financial support, in exchange for companionship, usually involving sex. Typically the girl lives in her own place and is visited by the guy who pays the bills. Frequently, the financial arrangements are discussed at first meeting and are clearly spelled out.
No financial arrangements were, or have ever been discussed. The first time we met she volunteered to pick me up at the airport. I was not asked to pay for gas or the toll. The next night I invited her and her sister to dinner. We continued to talk for months, no discussion of money. We went out, usually with her friends and her sister, did some sightseeing, normal friendly stuff. She drove, never asked for gas money. When her grandmother went for knee replacement surgery, no mention of money, although I was asked if I would pick her up at the hospital.
As I stated, when I had a reason, I sent her money. I spent money on her and with her. When we go places I'll buy her a souvenir. Of course now the situation has changed. For the past 4 months I haven't bought groceries or gas, I haven't cooked, cleaned or done laundry, and I'm eating at home every day. I haven't even been allowed to wash a single dish.
So let's compare. At this time she receives no money from me. She works and spends her money to buy gas and groceries. If that looks like a SB / SD relationship to you, you need to visit an optometrist.
Elvis 2008
03-30-24, 21:05
On the basis of what? An age difference? He has already admitted that he does not give her money like that. Meanwhile another board member, Elvis, says there is a big age difference between him and his girl AND he pays all her bills. Yet he is touted for having an actual relationship instead of being a sugar daddy, because "when a man loves a woman he will support her".
When I was coming back for Colombia this last time, a guy was talking to his woman. He was a frantic mess talking to her about their relationship. 90% of communication is nonverbal and just from the tone of his voice and body movements, I could tell his relationship was in trouble. When a relationship is solid and real most people can see it.
My gal's daughter was due to have her Quincera, and my gal was a mess so much so that she had a stress related rash. She has invited a lifelong friend of hers and her daughter to come down and stay with her. Knowing my gal needed me, I looked over my schedule and I saw I could make time to see her. It is two days of traveling for just two days there, but I tell her I am coming, and she is thankful I can.
This friend has known my gal forever and she can tell in a second if we were real or not. I meet her friend and she tells me that she cannot believe how happy her friend was when she knew I was coming. Within a day, my gal's rash is gone. The friend's daughter takes to me. We start playing. When I leave, the friend's daughter gives me a huge hug. A mother is not going to let her daughter get close to some stranger, but the friend knows that I am now attached to her lifelong friend. I am going to be a part of their lives from here on out.
Not only can't you and JJBee get the friends of your "girlfriends" to believe in your relationship, you cannot get your fellow mongers to. And spare me with the lies the friends and family are buying in.
Men have this tendency to think they can handle things and so they think, "Oh, I can stay in a committed relationship and stay monogamous for life", and they do not get what a huge commitment that is. And women like to believe that fantasy too but talk to them long enough and they will admit that they know how men are.
Having a good sex life was so important to my happiness I did not care if I fit within society's conventions or engaged in illegal activity to satisfy my sexual needs. I kept running into women that would put out for 3 months to reel me in and then it was not a priority. I thought it was me but it was not. It was most women, but there were a very few women that like sex as much as men did and I observed that the guys with those women did not cheat.
JJBee is like my woman washes every dish. You can pay for that and for looks and for people to kiss your ass. Of all the things about my gal, it is her true burning desire for me that is the most valuable because it is the one thing you cannot buy. She will grab my dick and say, "That is my happiness. " Three years in, and she still loves sex and even more than I do. And the surest way to fuck that up and put an end to that burning desire is to go out and bang a bunch of other women.
So now you can get together and launch your insults and display your insecurities. The only reason you two losers brought up having a GF was out of envy. Thing is I know why you are really cheating on your GFs. It is the same reason I cheated on my wife. My sex life at home sucked and if my sex life was critical to my happiness, I was risking nothing by seeing other women.
You dummies are literally advertising the sex lives with your GFs are nothing special, and the real reason that you are fucking around on them is because you have nothing to lose.
Mr Enternational
03-31-24, 06:25
My gal's daughter was due to have her Quincera, and my gal was a mess so much so that she had a stress related rash. She has invited a lifelong friend of hers and her daughter to come down and stay with her. Knowing my gal needed me, I looked over my schedule and I saw I could make time to see her. It is two days of traveling for just two days there, but I tell her I am coming, and she is thankful I can.Needed you for what? To blow up some damn balloons for a party since you are so full of hot air? That must be a pretty sad broad for needing a mf to come from another country to blow up some balloons. You mean NOBODY that she knows in Colombia could handle the task? Not father, brother, uncle, cousin, aunt, mother, nor friend? Sad group her circle is. Unless she was just trying to boost your ego. Don't the dunnnn. This is a job for ELLLLLVIIISSSS.
Meanwhile my ex-girlfriend did not even get to go to her daughter's party because they would not let her off work. The party went just fine and life kept going on without having to call in a "hero" to come from a whole other country. Besides that, the kid's ACTUAL DAD traveled from Cartagena to Bogota to make sure everything went well.
Elvis 2008
04-01-24, 04:11
Needed you for what? To blow up some damn balloons for a party since you are so full of hot air? That must be a pretty sad broad for needing a mf to come from another country to blow up some balloons. You mean NOBODY that she knows in Colombia could handle the task? Not father, brother, uncle, cousin, aunt, mother, nor friend? Sad group her circle is. Unless she was just trying to boost your ego. Don't the dunnnn. This is a job for ELLLLLVIIISSSS.If blowing up balloons were an issue, I would pay for some service to take care of that versus flying down. You are making up the balloon thing just like you are making up having a GF.
Meanwhile my ex-girlfriend did not even get to go to her daughter's party because they would not let her off work.And you are off spending $900 a night in hotels, paying to fuck hookers, and flying all over the damned place spending money while your supposed GF is slaving away at work trying to make a buck and missing her daughter's birthday.
The party went just fine and life kept going on without having to call in a "hero" to come from a whole other country. Besides that, the kid's ACTUAL DAD traveled from Cartagena to Bogota to make sure everything went well.And you are nowhere to be found. It is pretty pathetic that you do not know how to stop being a john.
Get a room already lovebirds! Lololol!
Oh yeah! That makes a lot of sense. The poor immigrants that cross into the USA the Venezuelan government is going to care about? WTF?Not quite sure what this guy was getting at. The reason to arrest illegal Venezuelan immigrants entering the US would not to be to ask the Venezuelan government for anything. It would be to deter more from coming.
Obviously if we keep letting them all in and giving them handouts and hotel rooms then more will keep coming. You start locking them up and separating them from their children like how Trump used to do in the past with illegal immigrants then you send a message that will deter more from coming.
Flawless Zeal
04-07-24, 05:15
You start locking them up and separating them from their children like how Trump used to do in the past with illegal immigrants then you send a message that will deter more from coming.Cutting people's hands off for jaywalking would be highly effective too.
Cutting people's hands off for jaywalking would be highly effective too.Let me guess Biden Supporter?
Not quite sure what this guy was getting at. The reason to arrest illegal Venezuelan immigrants entering the US would not to be to ask the Venezuelan government for anything. It would be to deter more from coming.
Obviously if we keep letting them all in and giving them handouts and hotel rooms then more will keep coming. You start locking them up and separating them from their children like how Trump used to do in the past with illegal immigrants then you send a message that will deter more from coming.For more on the handouts see my post in the general thread.
Separating children from their parents is a moral abomination. Not only is it torture for the parents, it causes irreparable damage to the children and exposes them to all types of risks. Children are placed in a situation where they can be abused by almost anyone with very little risk of reprisal. It was a system without accountability. If the US government started separating parents from their children if the parents were suspected of committing tax evasion or other administrative crimes you would be screaming about the injustice. Are Venezuelans, Colombians, Salvadorans, etc less than human?
Of course the real issue with those policies was the cost. The US government detaining people for weeks and months at costs up to $750 per day, per person, in conditions which cost only a few dollars per day is a much greater cost than the non-existent handouts which you believe exist. It would have been much cheaper to put the whole family up in a Motel 6, and a week in a Motel 6 would be just as effective as a deterrent.
Entering another country and requesting asylum is not a crime. It's not something that can be deterred, except by improving the conditions in the other countries. When a parent is faced with the very real possibility their children will be murdered, or worse, they will run to the only chance of safety, the only source of hope. Anyone who has spent sufficient time in Colombia should be well aware of the risks faced by the people every day. If you know any Colombians you almost certainly know a Colombian who has been robbed at knife point or gunpoint. If you know enough you know people who have lost children or siblings to the violence. The forums are full of posts warning about the dangers to gringos, but they are miniscule compared to what the typical Colombian faces every day.
I support no politicians. In an election between almost anyone and Trump my vote will go against Trump. His presidency was a disaster. Growth of the national debt dwarfed any period in the past. The response to Covid was an absolute shitshow. Our reputation with our allies was weakened. The leaders of our closest allies were literally laughing at the incompetence. I understand you feel differently, and that is your right. Faced with the choice between eating liver, which I can't stand, and shit, give me the liver.
However, questions of morality, are not answered by which political party a person supports. Responding with "you must be a (fill in the blank)" shows an inability to support the position you've taken.
For more on the handouts see my post in the general thread.
Separating children from their parents is a moral abomination. Not only is it torture for the parents, it causes irreparable damage to the children and exposes them to all types of risks. Children are placed in a situation where they can be abused by almost anyone with very little risk of reprisal. It was a system without accountability. If the US government started separating parents from their children if the parents were suspected of committing tax evasion or other administrative crimes you would be screaming about the injustice. Are Venezuelans, Colombians, Salvadorans, etc less than human?
Of course the real issue with those policies was the cost. The US government detaining people for weeks and months at costs up to $750 per day, per person, in conditions which cost only a few dollars per day is a much greater cost than the non-existent handouts which you believe exist. It would have been much cheaper to put the whole family up in a Motel 6, and a week in a Motel 6 would be just as effective as a deterrent.
Entering another country and requesting asylum is not a crime. It's not something that can be deterred, except by improving the conditions in the other countries. When a parent is faced with the very real possibility their children will be murdered, or worse, they will run to the only chance of safety, the only source of hope. Anyone who has spent sufficient time in Colombia should be well aware of the risks faced by the people every day. If you know any Colombians you almost certainly know a Colombian who has been robbed at knife point or gunpoint. If you know enough you know people who have lost children or siblings to the violence. The forums are full of posts warning about the dangers to gringos, but they are miniscule compared to what the typical Colombian faces every day.
I support no politicians. In an election between almost anyone and Trump my vote will go against Trump. His presidency was a disaster. Growth of the national debt dwarfed any period in the past. The response to Covid was an absolute shitshow. Our reputation with our allies was weakened. The leaders of our closest allies were literally laughing at the incompetence. I understand you feel differently, and that is your right. Faced with the choice between eating liver, which I can't stand, and shit, give me the liver.
However, questions of morality, are not answered by which political party a person supports. Responding with "you must be a (fill in the blank)" shows an inability to support the position you've taken.I replied to your post in the other section showing proof of the handouts including the Roosevelt Hotel in NYC and Texas paying for plane tickets.
It's not non existent. Plus I know several more than several really Venezuelans who have told me of the hand outs they've gotten upon arrival to the US including the hotels and free cell phones.
So believe what you want to, you talk alot but you show no sources to back up your claims. I actually showed some news articles backing up what I was saying if you go look at the other post in the general info section.
For more on the handouts see my post in the general thread.
Separating children from their parents is a moral abomination. Not only is it torture for the parents, it causes irreparable damage to the children and exposes them to all types of risks. Children are placed in a situation where they can be abused by almost anyone with very little risk of reprisal. It was a system without accountability. If the US government started separating parents from their children if the parents were suspected of committing tax evasion or other administrative crimes you would be screaming about the injustice. Are Venezuelans, Colombians, Salvadorans, etc less than human?
Of course the real issue with those policies was the cost. The US government detaining people for weeks and months at costs up to $750 per day, per person, in conditions which cost only a few dollars per day is a much greater cost than the non-existent handouts which you believe exist. It would have been much cheaper to put the whole family up in a Motel 6, and a week in a Motel 6 would be just as effective as a deterrent.
Entering another country and requesting asylum is not a crime. It's not something that can be deterred, except by improving the conditions in the other countries. When a parent is faced with the very real possibility their children will be murdered, or worse, they will run to the only chance of safety, the only source of hope. Anyone who has spent sufficient time in Colombia should be well aware of the risks faced by the people every day. If you know any Colombians you almost certainly know a Colombian who has been robbed at knife point or gunpoint. If you know enough you know people who have lost children or siblings to the violence. The forums are full of posts warning about the dangers to gringos, but they are miniscule compared to what the typical Colombian faces every day.
I support no politicians. In an election between almost anyone and Trump my vote will go against Trump. His presidency was a disaster. Growth of the national debt dwarfed any period in the past. The response to Covid was an absolute shitshow. Our reputation with our allies was weakened. The leaders of our closest allies were literally laughing at the incompetence. I understand you feel differently, and that is your right. Faced with the choice between eating liver, which I can't stand, and shit, give me the liver.
However, questions of morality, are not answered by which political party a person supports. Responding with "you must be a (fill in the blank)" shows an inability to support the position you've taken.Oh and one more thing Flying JJ.
You must be a Biden Supporter / AOC / Pelosi Supporter huh?
You probably want to see a president kamala harris don't you?
I replied to your post in the other section showing proof of the handouts including the Roosevelt Hotel in NYC and Texas paying for plane tickets.
It's not non existent. Plus I know several more than several really Venezuelans who have told me of the hand outs they've gotten upon arrival to the US including the hotels and free cell phones.
So believe what you want to, you talk alot but you show no sources to back up your claims. I actually showed some news articles backing up what I was saying if you go look at the other post in the general info section.Apparently the moderators are deleting my posts again bcuz the other post in the general section with the links never showed up.
Free hotels and housing:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/15/nyregion/migrant-shelter-roosevelt-hotel-aoc.html
Free flights:
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/20/texas-plane-immigrants-chicago-greg-abbott-busing/#text=Texas%20 flew%20 out%20 over%20120,according%20 to%20 the%20 governor's%20 office.
Prepaid debit cards:
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2024/02/26/debit-cards-for-newly-arrived-migrants-could-happen-soon
So as you can see, these handouts are not non-existent as you claimed they were. Also whether they are provided by the federal government, state government, local government or private charities is irrelevant, I never said who gave them these handouts, I said they illegal enter the US and then they get handouts.
So are you going to say these articles are lying?
Mr Enternational
04-08-24, 14:40
I replied to your post in the other section showing proof of the handouts including the Roosevelt Hotel in NYC and Texas paying for plane tickets.
It's not non existent. Plus I know several more than several really Venezuelans who have told me of the hand outs they've gotten upon arrival to the US including the hotels and free cell phones.
So believe what you want to, you talk alot but you show no sources to back up your claims. I actually showed some news articles backing up what I was saying if you go look at the other post in the general info section.When you say handouts you make it seem like it is something in perpetuity. It is not. It is more akin to what they give ex-convicts when they are released from prison. My girl from Ecuador is a migrant. When they get processed EVERYTHING is taken from them. They even took the wallet she kept her passport in. Her passport, money, and ATM card were the only things she arrived with that she was allowed to keep.
Yes they gave her a hotel to stay in for 2 days until her flight. Yes they gave her a one-way plane ticket from Texas to San Diego. Yes they have her a shitty cell phone to replace the good one they took. (Not even 1 week in the country she went to T-mobile and bought a $99 cell phone that was 8 times better.) Yes they gave her $200 to replace her clothes that they took. And that was that. It is not like she can go back tomorrow and tell the US government that she needs money for food. After that they are on their own. Now if one of those sanctuary cities takes it upon themselves to do something beyond that then I do not know. That is not her case, because she stayed with her sister's brother in law a couple of days, then came to stay with me 10 days, then went to stay with her cousins in Chicago. Now she is going to Michigan to help build houses because work in Chicago has dried up. But no, there is nobody she can go to for any regular handouts.
When you say handouts you make it seem like it is something in perpetuity. It is not. It is more akin to what they give ex-convicts when they are released from prison. My girl from Ecuador is a migrant. When they get processed EVERYTHING is taken from them. They even took the wallet she kept her passport in. Her passport, money, and ATM card were the only things she arrived with that she was allowed to keep.
Yes they gave her a hotel to stay in for 2 days until her flight. Yes they gave her a one-way plane ticket from Texas to San Diego. Yes they have her a shitty cell phone to replace the good one they took. (Not even 1 week in the country she went to T-mobile and bought a $99 cell phone that was 8 times better.) Yes they gave her $200 to replace her clothes that they took. And that was that. It is not like she can go back tomorrow and tell the US government that she needs money for food. After that they are on their own. Now if one of those sanctuary cities takes it upon themselves to do something beyond that then I do not know. That is not her case, because she stayed with her sister's brother in law a couple of days, then came to stay with me 10 days, then went to stay with her cousins in Chicago. Now she is going to Michigan to help build houses because work in Chicago has dried up. But no, there is nobody she can go to for any regular handouts.My whole point was that dude Eyvin Hernández illegally entered Venezuela and got detained for 2 years until he was traded for Alex Saab, but the Venezuelans that enter illegally into the US get free hotel stays, plane tickets, cell phones, and money. It may not be much, and it may not be perpetual, but it is a hell of a lot more than what Eyvin Hernndez received.
Looks like Mr E is calling your bluff Flying JJ with real expert testimony and screen shots to back it up.
Also my post with the links to the articles finally came through so you can see I'm not just talking out of my ass like you do.
Care to site some sources Mr Flying Fucking JJ?
And separation of the children from the parents was a policy implemented during the first Trump administration. It was a policy that helped to deter illegal immigrants from making the journey to the US because they were afraid of what would happen when they got there.
If you look at the number of illegal immigrants crossing the southern border between 2017 and 2021 it was alot less than the number of illegal immigrants crossing the border 2021 - 2024
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/09/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/
When you say handouts you make it seem like it is something in perpetuity. It is not. It is more akin to what they give ex-convicts when they are released from prison. My girl from Ecuador is a migrant. When they get processed EVERYTHING is taken from them. They even took the wallet she kept her passport in. Her passport, money, and ATM card were the only things she arrived with that she was allowed to keep.
Yes they gave her a hotel to stay in for 2 days until her flight. Yes they gave her a one-way plane ticket from Texas to San Diego. Yes they have her a shitty cell phone to replace the good one they took. (Not even 1 week in the country she went to T-mobile and bought a $99 cell phone that was 8 times better.) Yes they gave her $200 to replace her clothes that they took. And that was that. It is not like she can go back tomorrow and tell the US government that she needs money for food. After that they are on their own. Now if one of those sanctuary cities takes it upon themselves to do something beyond that then I do not know. That is not her case, because she stayed with her sister's brother in law a couple of days, then came to stay with me 10 days, then went to stay with her cousins in Chicago. Now she is going to Michigan to help build houses because work in Chicago has dried up. But no, there is nobody she can go to for any regular handouts.Chicago and NyC just handed out billions to illegals migrants. This is why Dems are losing the black vote. Chicago is giving 9 k rental assistance to migrants and NYC is giving 2000 $ debit cards. Whoever this girl is needs to pay attention and go get the $$.
Looks like Mr E is calling your bluff Flying JJ with real expert testimony and screen shots to back it up.
Also my post with the links to the articles finally came through so you can see I'm not just talking out of my ass like you do.
Care to site some sources Mr Flying Fucking JJ?
And separation of the children from the parents was a policy implemented during the first Trump administration. It was a policy that helped to deter illegal immigrants from making the journey to the US because they were afraid of what would happen when they got there.
If you look at the number of illegal immigrants crossing the southern border between 2017 and 2021 it was alot less than the number of illegal immigrants crossing the border 2021 - 2024
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/09/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/"Site some sources", or Cite some sources? I have no idea how to do the first.
You have by now figured out that the proof you "cited" has no connection to what you think is going on. Yes?
My sources are much simpler. They are literally sitting close enough that I could reach out and touch them. I've touched all 3 of them, although not all 3 took the same route to arrive at my home.
Mr. E isn't calling my bluff and the screen shots are of him conversing with the girl, not of any proof of airline tickets, or who provided those things to 1 person. Were they provided by the US Government? Texas Government? A non-profit group?
The "hotel" provided to my friends was a makeshift detention center, no showers, I assume a portapotty. It sounded unpleasant. No airline ticket, no free money. In fact, they had to provide proof of an airline ticket, which I bought, before they could buy bus tickets to the airport.
They didn't receive money to replace the things thrown away, although when I met them at the airport, the United Government of Me handed them warm coats and provided them warm blankets, pillows, pajamas, towels and toothbrushes, along with new socks and underwear. They've paid me back at least 4 times.
The "hotel" provided to my friends was a makeshift detention center, no showers, I assume a portapotty. It sounded unpleasant. No airline ticket, no free money. In fact, they had to provide proof of an airline ticket, which I bought, before they could buy bus tickets to the airport.
They didn't receive money to replace the things thrown away, although when I met them at the airport, the United Government of Me handed them warm coats and provided them warm blankets, pillows, pajamas, towels and toothbrushes, along with new socks and underwear. They've paid me back at least 4 times.Sorry I misspelled the word "cite" I'll try to proof-read better.
Anyways what most likely happened is that your "friend" lied to you so you would feel sorry and provide her with the coats, blankets, pillows, pijamas, etc.
She was just getting more papaya out of you even in the USA.
You're just another simp JJ might as well have "papaya" written on your forehead.
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She was just getting more papaya out of you even in the USA.
You're just another simp JJ might as well have "papaya" written on your forehead.I think he probably got a free maid, cook, and maybe sex too. All this delivered to his home without being in Colombia. If that is the case, I want that too. LOL
Is it possible that you two are both right?
Sorry I misspelled the word "cite" I'll try to proof-read better.
Anyways what most likely happened is that your "friend" lied to you so you would feel sorry and provide her with the coats, blankets, pillows, pijamas, etc.
She was just getting more papaya out of you even in the USA.
You're just another simp JJ might as well have "papaya" written on your forehead.You continue to dive into unknown waters. "Site" wasn't a mistake. You didn't realize "cite" and "site" are different words. It's common. "What most likely happened" is what we used to call a "WAG", a Wild Ass Guess. You have absolutely no idea what happened. To begin with, you failed to recognize the difference between "friend" and "friends", or to notice that "3" is different than "1. " "They", versus "her" or "she", just blatant statements which you completely missed.
Nounce is partially correct. I currently have 3 housekeepers. I've washed dishes once in almost 5 months. Zero laundry, zero cleaning, zero taking out the trash and almost zero cooking, are a few of the benefits. My sustenance cost (food, whether bought or prepared at home, necessary groceries, cleaning supplies, hygiene supplies, etc, has gone from about $900 per month to about $100 per month. Gas for the car is down from $250 per month to $50 per month. Plus they pay me $300 month for their phone bills and utilities. My entertainment expenses have gone up a little, since I enjoy taking everyone out a few times per month. Plus there are certain other benefits to having the company.
No lies involved. As I stated, all 3 didn't arrive by the same path. Why would 2 of them lie to me about needing plane tickets, if they already had free plane tickets? Why would the mother of 1 reimburse me for the tickets? Did she lie about the money she placed in my hand on my last short visit? I guess she was lying about the apartment she let me stay in free of charge, and the meals she bought or cooked for me.
Did my friends lie about the temperature being 26°F on the night they arrived? How did they get all the thermometers to lie as well?
These might be concepts unfamiliar to you, perhaps a failure by your parents. If someone will be a guest in my home, whether a Medellin hooker visiting my apartment, or friends living at my place while getting their lives in order, I provide a comfortable, safe environment. This is called "hospitality. ".
My friends, from Medellin, after traveling across Mexico, were arriving into frigid weather, with only the clothes on their backs. Between hospitality and being a decent human being, some assistance on my part was warranted. I could have gone to Goodwill and saved $200. Instead, I bought reasonably priced, new coats, clothes and pajamas, socks and underwear as well. I bought new toothbrushes and made sure they had the things necessary to be comfortable.
If by "simp" you mean that I treat others as human beings you are correct. Over the years, I've noticed the people who use that term are almost always incapable of interacting with women on a personal level. They are limited to prostitutes and often only the lowest classes of prostitutes. They can't handle a sexual situation where an actual conversation might be necessary.
Me? I can afford to buy a couple of $50 coats. I can carry on a conversation for months with a girl until she invites me into her bed. I can sit with a woman until 4 am talking, even when sex isn't on the menu or, if I prefer, I can change the menu. And when it's time to move on to another girl, I can kiss one goodbye thank her for the memories and walk away smiling.
I'll close with some debate / discussion / conversation tips.
1. Stick with things you know and understand. For example, "free airline tickets. " That was a stunt pulled off by the Governor of Texas, a Republican. It had nothing to do with Biden, the US government or the Democrats. It is not a blanket policy.
2. Avoid things you believe, unless that's a topic of conversation. What you believe has no value in any debate or discussion.
3. If you link something, read it first and keep reading until you fully grasp it. For example, the free hotel rooms. The City of New York has been receiving lots of immigrants. Thousands of people arriving with no place to live causes problems, particularly when children are involved. The city of New York chooses to spend some of their money to provide temporary housing. Once again, this has nothing to do with the US government, or Biden. Having dead, frozen children on the street is bad for business. It's more cost effective to utilize cheap, unused hotel rooms. The hotels benefit.
Sticking with number 3, I'll move to the free debit cards. Once again, this is a NYC program, not Biden, not the US government. Instead of providing free meals, which leafs to a lot of wasted food and money, the city has started issuing debit cards pre-loaded with up to $350, reloadable weekly. It's a cheaper, more effective way to feed those who aren't yet able to feed themselves.
That's enough.
This is the fourth time the long post has been repeated, taking up a lot of space. Let's try a little harder not to reply to the long post. You can post a comment about it without replying to it. I know you guys like it but we don't have to keep posting it again and again.I was on my phone and was not interested in editing because it is a pain. Since when did you become a moderator? During the time you have been instructing everyone on the format of the forum that you wish to view, you could have written a trip report.
Now before you get your panties in a knot, no I have not written a trip report lately. Why? Because I have not been to Medellin lately.
When you write a report. 01% as good as the report written by YyzTravel then you can say something to me. Oh, and for you motherfuckers who think he is lying on his dick, he is not. I have partied with the man in multiple countries. He rolls exactly how he wrote his report. Gave it to you straight no chase. A edited version has been posted the the Reports of Distinction for FNG reference. Are you happy now? LOL!
Don't hate, participate and step your game up!
The reason to arrest illegal Venezuelan immigrants entering the US would not to be to ask the Venezuelan government for anything. It would be to deter more from coming.
Most people around the world don't want to become refugees or illegals in another country; they do it bcos of need. They would much prefer to stay in their country and live a fulfilling life with their own family and friends. But unfortunately that is not possible with the USA sanctioning countries in to oblivion and the West's persistent imperialist mentality. You reap what you sow.
Hunglow1625
04-14-24, 14:29
To all of you Male "Karens" in here. Please do us all a favor and disappear. You know who you are. Your not wanted in Medellin either. Stay in your lane,in the states. That is all.
But unfortunately that is not possible with the USA sanctioning countries in to oblivion and the West's persistent imperialist mentality. You reap what you sow.So you're suggesting that it is the US's own doings that are causing the diaspora of migrants to come to the US?
To all of you Male "Karens" in here. Please do us all a favor and disappear. You know who you are. Your not wanted in Medellin either. Stay in your lane,in the states. That is all.Aren't you the idiot who said ItagüI was an hour's drive from Poblado and myself and JJ has to correct you that its like a cpl metro stations to the south literally like 5 minutes. LMAO.
Some of us actually live in Medellin.
Perhaps you should study Google maps a little more before you venture out from mommy's basement.
So you're suggesting that it is the US's own doings that are causing the diaspora of migrants to come to the US?More than suggesting. Its very obvious. As well, most of the South Asians, Middle Easterns and Africans in to Europe too. Don't you thikn bombing Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan etc has consequences? And all the despotic Sub_saharan leaders that they support bcos they allow Western companies to enter their countries to exploit the resources and people.
DiscoverFL
04-15-24, 19:48
More than suggesting. Its very obvious. As well, most of the South Asians, Middle Easterns and Africans in to Europe too. Don't you thikn bombing Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan etc has consequences? And all the despotic Sub_saharan leaders that they support bcos they allow Western companies to enter their countries to exploit the resources and people.Just my two unsolicited cents. Migrants hate being migrants. They would much prefer to stay in their home country and prosper. Economic instability and economic imbalance are the main drivers of migration. When things get better in a home country, you see less migrants from that country. Trends in migration to the USA are a direct result of us doing great and their origin country doing bad (economically). Improve the economy in an origin country and watch migration from it decrease. I won't get into political instability, because that affects economic stability, so the end effect is the same.
Trends in migration to the USA are a direct result of us doing great and their origin country doing bad (economically). Improve the economy in an origin country and watch migration from it decrease. I won't get into political instability, because that affects economic stability, so the end effect is the same.But JustTK says that it is the US that is making these countries do bad, by imposing economic sanctions, for example. It really just boils down to politics. The US does not want Nicolas Maduro to be the president of Venezuela. If he and his regime were to step aside and allow free and fair elections and peaceful transfer power to the next elected president, then the US would lift the sanctions and Venezuela could become more like Colombia. However Maduro refuses to step down and doesn't even respect his own country's constitution which limits him to one term.
Just my two unsolicited cents. Migrants hate being migrants. They would much prefer to stay in their home country and prosper. Economic instability and economic imbalance are the main drivers of migration. When things get better in a home country, you see less migrants from that country. Trends in migration to the USA are a direct result of us doing great and their origin country doing bad (economically). Improve the economy in an origin country and watch migration from it decrease. I won't get into political instability, because that affects economic stability, so the end effect is the same.I agree with you 100 percent. I spent a lot of time in the Dominican Republic. I never talked to a Haitian that would not prefer to be able to live in their own country. But it was exactly as you said, political, economic instability led them to look for other opportunities outside of their own country. But in that sense I am a migrant also. Because I left my country of origin for the same reasons. Difference with me is that I don't want to go back. LOL!
But JustTK says that it is the US that is making these countries do bad, by imposing economic sanctions, for example. It really just boils down to politics. The US does not want Nicolas Maduro to be the president of Venezuela. If he and his regime were to step aside and allow free and fair elections and peaceful transfer power to the next elected president, then the US would lift the sanctions and Venezuela could become more like Colombia. However Maduro refuses to step down and doesn't even respect his own country's constitution which limits him to one term.Well, the orange idiot didn't allow a peaceful transfer of power and of course does not respect his own country's constitution so I guess the Yew Ess is leading by example.
But ...My question to you is that does it work?
But JustTK says that it is the US that is making these countries do bad, by imposing economic sanctions, for example. It really just boils down to politics. The US does not want Nicolas Maduro to be the president of Venezuela. If he and his regime were to step aside and allow free and fair elections and peaceful transfer power to the next elected president, then the US would lift the sanctions and Venezuela could become more like Colombia. However Maduro refuses to step down and doesn't even respect his own country's constitution which limits him to one term.Gabacho, that is called political interference, plain and simple. USA screams blue murder when it suspects Russia or another country trying to influence votes in USA, yet it feels at liberty to sanction another country bcos it doesn't like the president. Talk about hypocrisy.
Recent elections in Venezuela were heavily monitored by international monitors, incl The Carter center, and were deemed fair. Only USA thinks the elections were not. No surprise there given USA wants to turn Vnzla in to a vassal state like Colombia, so that its industry can take it resources at unfair prices. Note. Colombia is slowing taking steps to move away from that unholy situation too.
Gabacho. Not sure where you read the Vnzla presient can only run for 1 term. I see nothing about that.
But JustTK says that it is the US that is making these countries do bad, by imposing economic sanctions, for example. It really just boils down to politics. The US does not want Nicolas Maduro to be the president of Venezuela. If he and his regime were to step aside and allow free and fair elections and peaceful transfer power to the next elected president, then the US would lift the sanctions and Venezuela could become more like Colombia. However Maduro refuses to step down and doesn't even respect his own country's constitution which limits him to one term.He's more or less correct. The US ran things in Cuba for decades, our companies controlled all their exports. The wealthy in Cuba profited, the US profited and most Cubans suffered. Castro led the revolution and the Communists took over. Between sanctions against Cuba and subsidies to keep the price of Cuban exports low, the US ensured economic conditions in Cuba would not improve. The history of South and Central America is filled with examples of US attempts to control countries, with everything from economic sanctions, to weapons supplies, to assassination.
The US was running things in Venezuela until Chavez came along. The US was running things in Iran until the student revolution. Add in the wars we've funded and we've long been creating waves of refugees. Sometimes we welcome them, other times we shun them.
But we refuse to accept responsibility for them.
Gabacho, that is called political interference, plain and simple. USA screams blue murder when it suspects Russia or another country trying to influence votes in USA, yet it feels at liberty to sanction another country bcos it doesn't like the president. Talk about hypocrisy.
Recent elections in Venezuela were heavily monitored by international monitors, incl The Carter center, and were deemed fair. Only USA thinks the elections were not. No surprise there given USA wants to turn Vnzla in to a vassal state like Colombia, so that its industry can take it resources at unfair prices. Note. Colombia is slowing taking steps to move away from that unholy situation too.
Gabacho. Not sure where you read the Vnzla presient can only run for 1 term. I see nothing about that.Sorry it was 2 terms not 1 term, but Chavez removed that in 1999. So basically if that had not been removed then maduro shouldn't be running again because he has already served 2 terms.
Also he has a habit of wrongfully detaining the people running against him. There was some woman who was trying to run for president and he arrested her on some fake charges so she couldn't run. So yea I guess that is deemed fair.
My question to you is that does it work?It doesn't seem to be working.
Elvis 2008
04-16-24, 22:44
The US does not want Nicolas Maduro to be the president of Venezuela. If he and his regime were to step aside and allow free and fair elections and peaceful transfer power to the next elected president, then the US would lift the sanctions and Venezuela could become more like Colombia. However Maduro refuses to step down and doesn't even respect his own country's constitution which limits him to one term.Nah, Maduro is just an excuse. Saudi Arabia does not have elections, has a different religion, is horrible on civil rights, and has sponsored terrorists but the USA has gotten along fine with it. In fact, Aramco is the most profitable company on the planet.
Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia, and it should be as wealthy, and it was very wealthy until Hugo Chavez got into office. Thing with Chavez is anytime anyone started making decent money in Venezuela, Chavez would swoop in and take that business. He was afraid anyone with money could threaten his power. He would then take his stolen money and buy off voters.
So why is Venezuela so poor and Saudi Arabia so rich? The one word answer is theft. If you steal in Saudi Arabia, you get your hands cut off. If you steal in Venezuela, you get patted on the back, and Venezuela has stolen from everyone, American companies, European companies, China, Russia. There is nothing imperialistic about it. If you have shit property rights, you are guaranteed a shit economy.
If Venezuela had its shit together and produced as much as oil as it could have when the world needed it 10 or 15 years ago, there may have never been an American shale oil revolution, and Venezuela would be as rich as Saudi Arabia. As of now, the USA is swimming in oil and is or will soon be an oil exporter which makes Venezuela a competitor. So fuck them.
China and Europe need the oil. They have oil companies. They have bond markets. Let them deal with Venezuela and their thieving ways. Oh right, they already have and lost their asses. It is pathetic to be using American imperialism as an excuse when you have fucked over everyone.
It doesn't seem to be working.While it does not seem to be working but it caused a lot of damages, and other consequence.
Sorry it was 2 terms not 1 term, but Chavez removed that in 1999. So basically if that had not been removed then maduro shouldn't be running again because he has already served 2 terms.
Also he has a habit of wrongfully detaining the people running against him. There was some woman who was trying to run for president and he arrested her on some fake charges so she couldn't run. So yea I guess that is deemed fair.I meant 2009*.
While it does not seem to be working but it caused a lot of damages, and other consequence.It caused alot of vennies to come to Colombia and fuck us for 40 mil a pop.
It caused alot of vennies to come to Colombia and fuck us for 40 mil a pop.Yeah, if you are interested in that perspective. You can study Iran's history. It fits into what he said. There is even a PBS documentary about it.
He's more or less correct. ..The history of South and Central America is filled with examples of US attempts to control countries, with everything from economic sanctions, to weapons supplies, to assassination.
The US was running things in Venezuela until Chavez came along. The US was running things in Iran until the student revolution. Add in the wars we've funded and we've long been creating waves of refugees.
But we refuse to accept responsibility for them.Thank you.
Sorry it was 2 terms not 1 term, but Chavez removed that in 1999. So basically if that had not been removed then maduro shouldn't be running again because he has already served 2 terms.
Also he has a habit of wrongfully detaining the people running against him. There was some woman who was trying to run for president and he arrested her on some fake charges so she couldn't run. So yea I guess that is deemed fair.Thanks Gabacho. So the law says he can stand again. He is following the law. He didn't even change the law himself. You might not like that law, but then its not your law. Creating obstacles to prevent competitors getting power. Just take a look in your own backyard, at the USA. Look at all the money, all the corruption, the murders, the silencing / deplatforming / defunding, of anyone that stands in the way, that wants to change the status quo. It has got so ridiculous and pitiful that the next election is a re-run between 2 of the least fittest people in the entire country to run it again. But people still tend to look at other countries and pretend its those countries that are the bad eggs. But anyway, we have veered off topic. Its USA and USA-led Western interference that brings about waves of refugees.
My point here is not so much to defend the actions of the Vnzla Govt, but rather to highlight that you are holding it to double standards.
China and Europe need the oil. They have oil companies. They have bond markets. Let them deal with Venezuela and their thieving ways. Venzla are thieves? Oh you mean like the USA? The USA that steals and freezes the US dollar based assets and investments and funds of entire nations if they do not do what the USA tells them to do. The USA that has now encouraged other countries to start trading in oil in non-USD currencies bcos the USA are thieves and have started the downfall of their own currency as the world currency. OK.
So why is Venezuela so poor and Saudi Arabia so rich? The one word answer is theft. Right. Saudi Arabia was stolen by the rich from its people. The sheikhs own everything and run the country with an iron fist. They allow large USA oil companies in the share the opportunity. Yes, I agree. That is the difference.
Elvis 2008
04-17-24, 16:49
Venzla are thieves? Oh you mean like the USA? The USA that steals and freezes the US dollar based assets and investments and funds of entire nations if they do not do what the USA tells them to do.LOL. The USA has never defaulted on its debt. Venezuela has done so close to ten times. The reason the world puts up with all that political BS is even with that their money is safer in the USA and in USA dollars than anywhere else.
Elvis 2008
04-17-24, 16:52
Right. Saudi Arabia was stolen by the rich from its people. The sheikhs own everything and run the country with an iron fist. They allow large USA oil companies in the share the opportunity. Yes, I agree. That is the difference.Yes, capitalistic nations are uneven. Your neighbor may have two cars while you only have one. In the socialist utopias, everyone outside of the pols has an equal number, none.
USA does not default. It makes the money printer go burr and inflates their way out of trouble. Inflation is theft. The greatest heist in the history of mankind.
LOL. The USA has never defaulted on its debt. Venezuela has done so close to ten times. The reason the world puts up with all that political BS is even with that their money is safer in the USA and in USA dollars than anywhere else.
Venzla are thieves? Oh you mean like the USA? The USA that steals and freezes the US dollar based assets and investments and funds of entire nations if they do not do what the USA tells them to do. The USA that has now encouraged other countries to start trading in oil in non-USD currencies bcos the USA are thieves and have started the downfall of their own currency as the world currency. OK.You are 100% on target. I am deep into some things. The technology for an alternative payment system to Swift has already been created. Will the BRICS nations be able to come together to use it effectively? That is an open question.
Keep it in the front of your mind: an alternative payment system to Swift is already technologically possible and being tested.. It might pay to diversify. All eggs in one basket because you are patriotic or have hopium is not an effective investment strategy. If you didn't know, now you know.
Thanks Gabacho. So the law says he can stand again. He is following the law. He didn't even change the law himself. You might not like that law, but then its not your law. Creating obstacles to prevent competitors getting power. Just take a look in your own backyard, at the USA. Look at all the money, all the corruption, the murders, the silencing / deplatforming / defunding, of anyone that stands in the way, that wants to change the status quo. It has got so ridiculous and pitiful that the next election is a re-run between 2 of the least fittest people in the entire country to run it again. But people still tend to look at other countries and pretend its those countries that are the bad eggs. But anyway, we have veered off topic. Its USA and USA-led Western interference that brings about waves of refugees.
My point here is not so much to defend the actions of the Vnzla Govt, but rather to highlight that you are holding it to double standards.The Fake biden admin-- (Not run by the Senile Traitor biden) does whatyever the CIA says-- It's a Clown World-.
Yes, capitalistic nations are uneven. Your neighbor may have two cars while you only have one. In the socialist utopias, everyone outside of the pols has an equal number, none.You know I have to agree with Elvis on this one. Just look at countries like Cuba and Venezuela and you will see there is a vast difference between the have and have nots with virtually no middle class.
When I was in cucuta I was Audi A4's with tinted windows with Venezuela plates and at the same time there were vennies on la septima fucking me for 25 mil and I asked how could it be that I saw an newer looking audi A4 with Venezuela plates with the situation the way it is in Venezuela and she told me that it was government workers / families of government who have cars like that.
Atleast in the capitalist countries you have more of a Middle class and there are more people who can own a car and not just government workers.
Just look at countries like Cuba and Venezuela and you will see there is a vast difference between the have and have nots with virtually no middle class.Do not confuse political systems with economic ones. Socialism is a political system. Not an economic system. Capitalism is an economic system not a political system. Look at China. I rest my case.
Atleast in the capitalist countries you have more of a Middle class and there are more people who can own a car and not just government workers.Please do not believe the "middle class" hype that those pulling the levers of the system foist upon us. The middle class can barely survive the world over. And as a class they may cease to exist in my life time. The middle class in most countries are the working poor. Barely a step up from the poor.
A focus on outward signs of material wealth can be deceiving. I don't own a car ATM. Does that make me poor? Public transportation and ride share services get me around just fine. IMO if you have to drive yourself around, you ain't shit. Truly rich people have drivers and ride in the back seat. Just saying.
USA does not default. It makes the money printer go burr Jajajajaja does it sound like Ańuel?? Burrrrrrrr.
Elvis 2008
04-18-24, 07:21
USA does not default. It makes the money printer go burr and inflates their way out of trouble. Inflation is theft. The greatest heist in the history of mankind.Yeah, it is not like Venezuela or China or Brazil would do that. Oh wait.
Keep it in the front of your mind: an alternative payment system to Swift is already technologically possible and being tested. It might pay to diversify. All eggs in one basket because you are patriotic or have hopium is not an effective investment strategy. If you didn't know, now you know.Yes, by all means, diversify. Thing is why is it all you socialists do not put your money where your mouth is. Keep half your money in USA dollars and the other half in Venezuelan Bolivars. It is safer that way.
LOL. The USA has never defaulted on its debt. Venezuela has done so close to ten times. The reason the world puts up with all that political BS is even with that their money is safer in the USA and in USA dollars than anywhere else.You are using selective reasoning. There are many ways to steal. USA stole USD funds of Russia and Venezuela recently. It weaponises the dollar. That is theft. On a much grander scale than Vnzla. US dollars are not safe. Most countries are now looking to hold their funds in other currencies. Why do you think so many countries are keen to join BRICS?
You know I have to agree with Elvis on this one. Just look at countries like Cuba and Venezuela and you will see there is a vast difference between the have and have nots with virtually no middle class.
I asked how could it be that I saw an newer looking audi A4 with Venezuela plates with the situation the way it is in Venezuela and she told me that it was government workers / families of government who have cars like that.
Its hardly fair to compare successful western countries with countries that have been sanctioned to hell and back. Its like tying the hands of a boxer behind his back and then wondering whay he didn't put up much of a fight. Why not compare like with like? USA to Sweden, or Cuba to Congo?
And its great to hear that you base your beliefs on random anecdotes of people you meet in Cucuta. Hehe.
Elvis 2008
04-18-24, 13:33
There are many ways to steal. USA stole USD funds of Russia and Venezuela recently. It weaponises the dollar.Totally different situation. No one cares about Venezuela because they steal from everyone. Russia is the bogeyman of Democrats, and the dollar was inappropriately IMO weaponized against Russia and stupidly so. Like so much, what Biden and the Dems have done to "punish" Russia has hurt the West much more than Russia.
That is theft.Well, Russia invaded another country which is stealing as well. Again, I do not like it, but that is the mindset, and it has a lot of support.
US dollars are not safe. Most countries are now looking to hold their funds in other currencies. Why do you think so many countries are keen to join BRICS?Well, you don't have to wait for BRICs. You can buy a basket of rupees, reals, yuan, and rubles right now. When you say the dollars not safe, it has been a helluva lot safer than those other currencies.
Please excuse the intrusion. I felt this belongs in this section so I am cross posting it from the Medellin Reports section: https://medellinexpatnews.com/canadian-arrested-illegal-parties-el-penol/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1NwGDUP8o-gsG_wPcdEKccxqAWjHJ58QTKZsNmOBkcB230x4KIvix3rkk_aem_AdNxQ0jsGpZNLGC7otPKkJVZWNjmj9f_usLnKI6pfIAShNotGhTeLddBhKADKl_CZR4F3975ZI8QRQk0We3fXIBv
The Fake biden admin-- (Not run by the Senile Traitor biden) does whatyever the CIA says-- It's a Clown World-.You must be an ophan. Otherwise your mother would have told you it was better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open your mouth and demonstrate it beyond any doubt whatsoever.
You must be an ophan. Otherwise your mother would have told you it was better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open your mouth and demonstrate it beyond any doubt whatsoever.But Thanks for Amplyfying my Post DickHead-- About the Stolen Presidency--The Fake biden admin-- (Not run by the Senile Traitor biden) does whatyever the CIA says-- It's a Clown World-.
Yeah, it is not like Venezuela or China or Brazil would do that. Oh wait..Yes, USAGOV is smarter than that. They have the worlds reserve currency ATM. A default is not possible with the USD underpinning the world economy. So, they are inflating their debt problem away.
Yes, by all means, diversify. Thing is why is it all you socialists do not put your money where your mouth is. Keep half your money in USA dollars and the other half in Venezuelan Bolivars. It is safer that way.I'm opting out. Just not in the idiotic way you suggest. You want to talk about competition. I run economic circles round your ass! Half my money in USD. Get the fuck out of here. You don't know damn thing about how money (fiat) currency works. Except to pay it to you beauty queen prostitutes. Cash reserves are important. Past that you better have a very good reason to stack USD. I mean unless you like USAGOV inflating away your wealth little by little each year until there is nothing left.
Here we go again. A man who does even know what the meaning of socialism is trying to use it as a slur against a stone cold capitalist like myself. You could not even recognize the stock symbols of some of the most well know companies on this earth when I listed them to you months ago. Have you figured out what AAPL is yet?
The current administration is opposed to the purchase of X (at a substantial premium I might add) by Nippon Steel. That is socialism at work for you. They would rather let the company fail than sell it an organization that knows how to make steel. A current ally of the (Dis) United States of America that they are relying on them to do some of the heavy lifting in defending the Asian Pacific region.
Here is some Alpha for all of you: MSTR.
Elvis 2008
04-19-24, 00:46
Please excuse the intrusion. I felt this belongs in this section so I am cross posting it from the Medellin Reports section: https://medellinexpatnews.com/canadian-arrested-illegal-parties-el-penol/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1NwGDUP8o-gsG_wPcdEKccxqAWjHJ58QTKZsNmOBkcB230x4KIvix3rkk_aem_AdNxQ0jsGpZNLGC7otPKkJVZWNjmj9f_usLnKI6pfIAShNotGhTeLddBhKADKl_CZR4F3975ZI8QRQk0We3fXIBvYeah, well, this is just the beginning. I posted about the mindset of Colombians I know. I posted what the mayor of Medellin said about sex tourism and that the USA was backing up the mayor. If you get arrested in any way these days, you are not getting USA government help and are on your own, and this is the response I got.
Have they made prostitution, in general, illegal in Colombia?
Or illegal only for foreigners?
Cheap Charlie's?
I can understand the stand against predators (pedis). That has always been illegal, but now being enforced more strongly, which I support.
According to you, they (the government, US and Colombia) are after you if you engage in any type of prostitution.
Which is legal in Colombia, with adults.
Have there been mass arrests of guys engaging in LEGAL prostitution?
No.
No need to blow a gasket and demean people because they don't fully agree with your point of view on something.
Youre an alarmist, which is Ok if thats what you want.
Im a realist. Not everyone is out to get me if Im not breaking any laws.
I am kind and respectful to the people of Colombia, and they are towards me as well.
I speak their language fluently.
Ive being going there for about 25 years now.
Not one look of digust towards me.I see this so much. The government says they are going after mongers like this guy, and the response is "Maybe they look at you funny but not me. Oh no, the Colombians love me. ".
I saw the same thing in the USA. The government says they are going after mongers because mongers support human trafficking, and the overwhelming response from guys was "I am not going to get in trouble. I don't believe in human trafficking. ".
The USA government supports Colombian in the fight against human trafficking, and this is the USA definition of it https://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign/what-human-trafficking.
Human trafficking involves the use of force, fraud, or coercion to obtain some type of labor or commercial sex act.
Now you can go on your legal semantic rant about whether paying a woman for sex is the same as coercion, but I can tell you USA LE thinks it is. In fact, the sting involving billionaire Robert Kraft was not because the woman complained. No, she liked Kraft, hugged him when she saw him, was well tipped by him, and refused to testify against him. No, this was total government bullshit, a completely victimless crime. The fucking cops faked a bomb scare and put a camera in the Asian massage parlor Kraft went to. And even though the woman was obviously not trafficked, LE tried to say she was. The case was dropped on a technicality but the people who were not billionaires have not been so lucky.
And in the world, the USA is the supposed moral standard whether you like it or not. So if USA LE has done something, it is acceptable for Colombian LE to do likewise.
And the law is not as clear cut as this guy thinks, https://www.medellinlawyer.com/prostitution-in-colombia/.
Limitations: The Court established limitations on the practice of prostitution, including:
Exploitation: Pimping, human trafficking, and other forms of exploitation are illegal.
Minors: Prostitution involving minors is strictly prohibited and considered a serious crime.
Public order: Activities that disrupt public order, such as solicitation in certain areas, can be sanctioned.
If you solicit someone under 18, even if she shows you a fake ID, you are fucked. If you host a party where you introduce women to your friends, that can be pimping / trafficking. You may have gotten away with this before but the government is enforcing these rules. Having "sex parties" like this guy did is asking for trouble.
So right now, the mayors in Cartagena and Medellin have been cracking down mostly on street walkers. All I am saying is use some fucking common sense and quit going to the areas they are targeting. How hard is that? For now, play in areas that are not or at least not yet targets (casas, strip clubs, escorts, sugar daddy sites) and stay off the streets. If you really love street walkers, head to Bogota as the government is not cracking down on them now.
If you are coming to Colombia to fuck hookers, you are a sex tourist and when the government says they are targeting sex tourists, that does not means they are targeting "other bad guys". That means they are targeting you.
Elvis 2008
04-19-24, 06:00
You don't know damn thing about how money (fiat) currency works.Here we go again. I am going to kick your ass one time and that is it. I am not going to put up with back and forth with someone this clueless.
Yes, USAGOV is smarter than that. Nope, short term value of the dollar is set by the federal reserve which is private. Long term, it is the market.
They have the worlds reserve currency ATM.That covers the last 80 years. Before that, the dollar was not the reserve currency and the USA did not default.
A default is not possible with the USD underpinning the world economy.Of course, the USA can default on its debt, but if you think it is impossible for the USA to default, why the hell would you diversify out of dollars?
So, they are inflating their debt problem away.In essence, your theory is that the government prints up more money making it less valuable so that the real value of the debt goes down. That is brilliant except for the fact that increasing the money supply has lead to inflation which has caused higher interest rates, and the USA government is paying 5 X as much interest on the debt as it was. So they are not inflating their way out of jack shit.
I mean unless you like USAGOV inflating away your wealth little by little each year until there is nothing left.3 month t bills and many CDS are paying 5% or so and inflation is 3. 5%. Tell me how the USAGOV is fucking people over in that climate.
How many things can you get wrong and be so cocky?
And save your breath with the comeback. Your post was seriously one of the dumbest things I have ever read.
Totally different situation. No one cares about Venezuela because they steal from everyone. Russia is the bogeyman of Democrats, and the dollar was inappropriately IMO weaponized against Russia and stupidly so. Like so much, what Biden and the Dems have done to "punish" Russia has hurt the West much more than Russia.
Well, Russia invaded another country which is stealing as well. Again, I do not like it, but that is the mindset, and it has a lot of support.
Thats you mindset Elvis -.
Venezuela suspected of theft. Bad! They are all thieves and the country must be punished.
USA conducts theft. That's justified bcos. Reasons.
It's complete double standards.
What is money?
Here we go again. I am going to kick your ass one time and that is it. I am not going to put up with back and forth with someone this clueless.Good. This means I do not have to read any more responses from you to me.
Hey brother, you need to relax. You got some anger issues going on. This is cyberspace. There is no ass kicking going on. My days of kicking ass IRL is long gone. I leave that to the young people. The young people in my life respect my knowledge and guidance. So, the means you must a old angry man, unhappy with their life.
Nope, short term value of the dollar is set by the federal reserve which is private. Long term, it is the market.A federal reserve note has no value. Nothing backing up except for a promise. The proof of this lies in the wording on each note itself. This forum frowns upon speaking about such things. Now I have not held an actual federal reserve note in my hand in a quite a while. But the expression I refer to is on the back of the note above the picture of a building.
That covers the last 80 years. Before that, the dollar was not the reserve currency and the USA did not default.Wrong. The United States of America has defaulted.
Of course, the USA can default on its debt, but if you think it is impossible for the USA to default, why the hell would you diversify out of dollars?Agreed! Of course it is possible for the (Dis) United States of America to default. Default is not my immediate worry. Inflation is my concern. Everyone who wants to continue to operate within the USD fiat currency system is free to do so. I choose to diversify. Why? Because of what you describe below:
the government prints up more money making it less valuable. Exactly, the USDGOV is making my money less valuable.
How many things can you get wrong and be so cocky? As many as you say that I can.
I am confident because I have experience and have developed wisdom over the years. I have no problem with you calling me dumb. Been called much worse by individuals of your type during my life. I just keep on keeping it on.
And save your breath with the comeback. Your post was seriously one of the dumbest things I have ever read.When people like you that think they are so smart but cannot even realize that we type with keyboard, and therefore unless your are morbidly obese, can breathe normally while doing so, call me dumb, I realize they have serious issues. I only use breath to speak to others.
When I am being told I am dumb by a person who does not even know the meaning socialism, I know that I must be on the right track.
I have a question for you: How many times are you going call me dumb in a response before you realize it will never stop me from responding back to you?.
Looking good Luis!
AlwaysHorny 2
04-19-24, 18:33
You look like a cash register to these girls. (Most men do, don't take it personally). I'm going to do a little soapbox just to help folks here with pricing (and later you are going to tell me to fuck off, but that's ok). Everyone's prices, relative scale of beauty and sexual options will vary up / down pending your age / looks / physique / etc, but this is just from my experience.
For the guys who complain about crazy pricing. Look in the mirror for the answer. If a girl doesn't want to fuck you, she will make a price so high that if you do accept it will be worth her time. For reference, a "ficha" is an overpriced girly drink which usually contains zero alcohol. Costs the bar almost nothing, comes looking all tropical and shit (made of almost pure water + juice + coloring) and the girl gets a take. It's how they hustle men.Who tf are you talking too. This type of shit is the main reason I don't post on these forums anymore. It's a lot of bickering and BS. Some of you show just how you are be*tch made. Apparently, you can't read. If I was such a make, she would have stated her prices and moved on. We partied for over two hours. I danced and felt up a fine, natural woman and it cost me a whopping two drinks.
I know you're "flexing" for your little forum buddies, but I'm a winner in real life. I command attention where ever I go. Women love me all over this fucking planet for FREE! I'm not really a monger anymore. I actually go to places like Rio and Africa and have trip girlfriends. I was going to head to Cali instead but decided to get Medellin out of the way. That's my next hit in August for the festival.
I purposely got my spot in Laurles to be in a more locals environment and I readily take on the challenge in picking up a "normal" woman. I'm not happy just getting my rocks off. I've been in this MF'and game for over 15 years and the novelty has been worn off. I seek challenges. I don't shy away from them.
Thanks for putting me on game! Clown! LOL.
Like I can't RTFF and figure out how to move. The only reason I was in that joint is because I drank my half bottle of liquor from Licorera and got bored just sitting around. A cool brother that I had met wanted to go up there. It was only a 20 k entrance and I spent less than $50 dollars on drinks for me and her. I had a fn ball and closed the place. It was her lost. Good luck to her getting anything past 3 am.
Who tf are you talking too......You just proved my point, thank you I post about 2 days every few years to help folks, I don't need to impress anyone here, and folks who do know me on this forum. They likely feel bad for you for making a fool of yourself right now. I feel sorry for you man, I really do.
Elvis 2008
04-19-24, 22:39
Thats you mindset Elvis -.
Venezuela suspected of theft. Bad! They are all thieves and the country must be punished.
USA conducts theft. That's justified bcos. Reasons.
It's complete double standards.Yes, I can assure you that I was not describing why markets move; it is my opinion and solely my opinion that unilaterally moves them. If you move to Venezuela and put all your money in Bolivars and lose your ass, it would entirely be due to me.
And I have to thank you Europeans for the privilege. If not for your mindless wars egotistical wars of the last century, I would not own a currency with reserve status.
AlwaysHorny 2
04-20-24, 12:18
You just proved my point, thank you I post about 2 days every few years to help folks, I don't need to impress anyone here, and folks who do know me on this forum. They likely feel bad for you for making a fool of yourself right now. I feel sorry for you man, I really do.I don't need your pity my life is f'and great. I get to live a life that many dream of. I spent 5 months out of the country last year. I'll likely purchase property in Colombia and Africa over the next two years. When I first joined the board, it was a treasure trove of knowledge and information being past down. Now I see a growing trend where people are more concerned about building a rep with folks they have no idea if they are authentic and probably won't ever see in real life. P*ssy ain't that serious to me or these measely dollars some of you squabble over. Sorry, but this mongering BS is far down my priorities in life. I rarely even deal with straight pro's anymore. Some of you have no issue being the 20th sausage of the day. I don't get down like that.
Since you feel the need to be so judgmental about somebody you don't know, tell me mama's boy how SHOULD roll! Lmao.
Yeah, I destroyed my whole world by $50. I went to Sports Massage yesterday and had an incredible massage and spent about $65. Sadly, I didn't get any extras. Yeah, man you really got me pegged. I'm a f'the up individual.
Even with that said, if you are in Medellin. We can meet up and you can set me straight in person.
StudBucket
04-20-24, 18:37
You just proved my point, thank you I post about 2 days every few years to help folks, I don't need to impress anyone here, and folks who do know me on this forum. They likely feel bad for you for making a fool of yourself right now. I feel sorry for you man, I really do.I absolutely agree with you and did not get any impression whatsoever that you were trying to impress anyone nor win over people on this forum as none of us will really ever meet each other. You even stated you go for long periods without posts which proves you have no other agenda than to share your knowledge. I greatly appreciate your posts here and anything you share which we can take some nuggets from and implement.
Coolie High
04-21-24, 04:08
Extremely rare that I get involved between 2 grown men but I believe that there may have been a misunderstanding between yall two. When YyzTravel posted about pricing he was stating his observations of what hes experienced but did not know the full context of your situation with the chica at the moment. AH2 you're a gentleman of leisure in the game for many moons now as I've read your reports from around the world thru the years so there was no need to defend yourself or feel personally slighted in his post. Because once you explained the context and intangibles of the situation with the chica as you did below, I'm pretty sure YyzTravel understood more of your interaction with that chica and that his post wasnt a personal attack on you but a price gauge to guys that's coming to Medellin and the square bears of the world when dealing with women. And from your reports thru the years you're far from a square bear.
Anyway I hope I helped ease the tension in the room. Been on this site for along time now and one thing I found disheartening was when two mongers that post quality reports verbally get into it. Its the number #1 reason why so many great monger gents that post quality knowledge and insight of their experience stop posting on the forum all together. And I'm tired of seeing that happening. So its my hope that yall squash this and continue to post yall knowledge on this forum, and perhaps hit each other on the back channel and meetup for a beer.
Peace to both you of gentlemen!!
You just proved my point, thank you I post about 2 days every few years to help folks, I don't need to impress anyone here, and folks who do know me on this forum. They likely feel bad for you for making a fool of yourself right now. I feel sorry for you man, I really do.On this board no good deed goes unpunished. I know you are just trying to help people out but some simply do not deserve your help because they would rather live in their own reality instead the the reality that actually exists in real life. You simply may have shattered their world ideas by putting out real and factual information developed from your personal experiences over the years. Individuals who do not understand they are dealing with other human beings and that other human factors come into play when it comes to prices should simply continue to pay what they choose to pay. Individuals who refuse to work on their mind (leaning Spanish) or their appearance (hit the gym and put on some decent clothes) should simply continue to pay what they need to pay to get what they want.
I get the same thing in the countries I post in primarily. No one wants to hear what the real pricing schemes are once you get off of the tourist economy. Then if they admit that those prices are possible they say the girls are ugly and drug addicted. It is a coping mechanism for them. When someone knows what possible, but they choose to do it in a different way, time needs to be spent in the mirror. Not attacking individuals trying to educate others. They are not you. They cannot do what you do. Keep up the good work! Then next time our paths cross I know the party is going to be epic!
FlyGuyEddie007
04-28-24, 15:25
Is the attitude really necessary bro?
Didn't your mother ever teach you that if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all?
Maleducado.Exactly!! What the other said was not wrong. There is a lot of danger (so I hear) in columbia. I cancelled 2 trips so far. I was hoping stuff would get better in 2024. I might still take a chance and come down this fall.
If you have been to Bogota, you have probably taken a tour with Woodman, who knows all the "Adult" things you can do in that town. Any one like that in Medellin?
I'm not condoning what either of these two guys did, but it does appear quite clear that Colombia is treating US men caught up in these situations differently than locals and / or Chinese people.But the legal position is different Gabacho. It seems crazy that USA enforces its own laws in another land, but that is not normal. So a Chinese person only has to abide by the Colombian law. There may be situations where Chinese tourists are not breaking any law in Colombia whereas, for the same act, USAns are.
You have to be kidding? $1.80 to these girls means a lot. How on earth can you justify comparing this to overpaying for the metro?
Really? This is an example of how guys lose touch or don't give a damn on how tough life is in Colombia for these girls and their families. Shameful is what it is.
$1.80 , Just the idea of haggling for that amount is disgusting.
Even in business it is not looked at as $1.80 per se. It is looked at as being charged 100% more or double. If you were riding the metro and they tried to charge you double of what it costs then I am sure you would not say I came all the way here so them charging me 25 cent more is nothing to argue about. You are going to wonder why they are trying to charge you double. But once again when pussy is involved a little extra seems to not matter.
You have to be kidding? $1.80 to these girls means a lot. How on earth can you justify comparing this to overpaying for the metro?
Really? This is an example of how guys lose touch or don't give a damn on how tough life is in Colombia for these girls and their families. Shameful is what it is.
$1.80 , Just the idea of haggling for that amount is disgusting.I guess when you go to mcdonald's and the price of the big Mac says 15 mil on the sign you just hand them 30 mil? Mr Papaya 🤣.
You have to be kidding? $1.80 to these girls means a lot. How on earth can you justify comparing this to overpaying for the metro?
Really? This is an example of how guys lose touch or don't give a damn on how tough life is in Colombia for these girls and their families. Shameful is what it is.
$1.80 , Just the idea of haggling for that amount is disgusting.Tough luck. I'm not there to support hookers. I am there to use them. No moral issues with that at all. If any of those girls were in the US they would not even look at you.
Sounds harsh but what I am saying is if roles were reversed you can bet your ass that they would not give a flying FK about you either.
I guess when you go to mcdonald's and the price of the big Mac says 15 mil on the sign you just hand them 30 mil? Mr Papaya.I don't eat at McDonalds and to make that comparison to desperate people looking for money to McDonalds pricing is ludicrous.
Good for you, I hope you spend that $1.80 in savings well.
Tough luck. I'm not there to support hookers. I am there to use them. No moral issues with that at all. If any of those girls were in the US they would not even look at you.
Sounds harsh but what I am saying is if roles were reversed you can bet your ass that they would not give a flying FK about you either.
Tough luck. I'm not there to support hookers. I am there to use them. No moral issues with that at all. If any of those girls were in the US they would not even look at you.
Sounds harsh but what I am saying is if roles were reversed you can bet your ass that they would not give a flying FK about you either.With that attitude you are probably right. No girl would give a flying FK about you.
You have to be kidding? $1.80 to these girls means a lot. How on earth can you justify comparing this to overpaying for the metro?
Really? This is an example of how guys lose touch or don't give a damn on how tough life is in Colombia for these girls and their families. Shameful is what it is.
$1.80 , Just the idea of haggling for that amount is disgusting.I agree with your every word. I think a few of our "compatriots" think that these young women grew up dreaming of the day that they could sell their female parts to some fat, slob who doesn't bathe for enough money to feed themselves and their baby for a couple of days. Yep I'm sure that was their dream.
And low and behold here comes prince gordo, who wants to negotiate the price of their taxi (or metro) to save that $1.80.
If a guy can't afford to be decent he should go to the casas where the price is fixed, there the girls won't expect a tip so they should be right at home.
Mr Enternational
04-30-24, 17:54
You have to be kidding? $1.80 to these girls means a lot. How on earth can you justify comparing this to overpaying for the metro?
Really? This is an example of how guys lose touch or don't give a damn on how tough life is in Colombia for these girls and their families. Shameful is what it is.
$1.80 , Just the idea of haggling for that amount is disgusting.Newsflash: Life is tough for everybody, not just Colombian hookers. And NOBODY in this thread is going to Medellin with the purpose of making life better for the hookers and their families. They are going there because they can pay chicks to get their dick wet. If they cared so much about the girls and their families then they could just send the money through Western Union without going to fuck, as I am sure you do. You will be blessed for your benevolence.
TheDerilious
04-30-24, 19:34
I guess when you go to mcdonald's and the price of the big Mac says 15 mil on the sign you just hand them 30 mil? Mr Papaya 🤣.Yeah, people shouldn't let themselves get price-gouged because of being a foreigner, but there is always a line to draw. If you walk into a McDonalds and see the price of a Big Mac is 20 cents for foreigners and 10 cents for locals, I think it is perfectly fine for people to just pay the premium. The major point is that they are aware of the upcharge and making a best faith effort to not allow themselves to be swindled constantly. Truthfully, a lot of pobrecitos here don't seem to understand that haggling, negotiating, and making a scene over 20 cents doesn't matter to a lot of folks who would be paying $10 for a burger.
It also seems to me that a lot of folks are obsessed with "winning" any exchange. They have to pay bare-bottom prices so they can feel like they got back at the "vapid women" who shun them in real life. They have to be the ones who are on the forum talking about how they get 10/10, amateur, chicas who totally love them for cheap / free. Everybody needs to find balance between being "that" guy and being some poor sap who is getting roped along by chicas and dropping tons of money for sub-par service.
If you walk into a McDonalds and see the price of a Big Mac is 20 cents for foreigners and 10 cents for locals,You changed the subject. In your example, they charge you 40 cents which is twice of what is listed.
I agree with your every word. I think a few of our "compatriots" think that these young women grew up dreaming of the day that they could sell their female parts to some fat, slob who doesn't bathe for enough money to feed themselves and their baby for a couple of days. Yep I'm sure that was their dream.
And low and behold here comes prince gordo, who wants to negotiate the price of their taxi (or metro) to save that $1.80.
If a guy can't afford to be decent he should go to the casas where the price is fixed, there the girls won't expect a tip so they should be right at home.What is fucking Prince Gordo?
I've read the past posts here. I really don't understand the 'why' people here are arguing about.
When did I say I tried to 'negotiate'?
She asked for money for a cab and I offered to call her an Uber. She said she had already called a cab and I gave her the money without saying anything.
Why do people here fight over things like this? I'm new to Colombia and I was wondering if it's common for a man to pay for a taxi. And the amount she asked for was exactly double the Uber fare. I was wondering if this is common or if she raised the price on purpose. I don't understand why everyone is fighting over this.
Yes, that's right, 15000 pesos is 5000 won in Korean money.
Holy shit, fucking 5000 won doesn't even cover the basic taxi fare in Korea.
That's not enough money to buy a meal.
It's the price of a damm 1 Big Mac.
Is it weird to ask, just out of curiosity? It can be off-putting to have a price jacked up, even by 10 cents.
I once bought Colombian Vienna sausages from a street vendor at the San Antonio station and the vendor asked me 1500 pesos for one sausage.
When I bought Colombian Vienna sausages in the Plaza Botero 30 minutes later, they were 700 pesos for 1 and 2000 pesos for 3. When I handed over 2200 pesos, the honest vendor gave me back 200 pesos with a smile!
I felt bad when I realized that I was selling the same sausage to a foreigner for twice the price.
Yes gentlemen I only lost 800 pesos, damn it I've never seen a cent coin, I know it's a fucking small amount of money in American money.
But I do feel bad about it. Just out of curiosity, what did you not like so much about it, sir?
For enough money to feed themselves and their baby.
She was Venezuelan and had the latest iPhone, sir.
To conclude, I never tried to 'negotiate', the translator might be weird so if everyone have something to say, ask.
15 mil for a cab is not price gauging. It is on the low end. Arguing or complaining over cab fare of 7. 5 mil (which is not easily found) is ridiculous and using an example of going to McDonalds is idiotic.
Do you really feel cheated or taken advantage because you were asked to pay the standard low price of 15 mil ($3. 60)?
I have been going to Medellin for at least 7 years now and before then Cali. I have a long list of girls that I see and thereafter go out for lunch or dinner. Yes a dinner!
Dinner at decent place will run you around 40 K. Good heavens, I spend the equivalent of $10 for food for a girl that has very little choices in life on how to make ends meet.
And Oh My God! I have also taken some on trips with me as well. And guess what? I paid for them for their time including food and drinks. How silly of me?
The guys here worried about small change like this are true losers. They couldn't get a date where they are from (I wonder why?) And feel a sense of power arguing over small change.
Same guys that worry about $1. 80. Probably couldn't get a job at McDonalds.Why is it so aggressive?
Do I have to be told I'm a loser for asking if I'm paying for a cab?
How do you know if I'm available to meet girls in my home country or not? Do you have the eyes of fucking Sauron on your head or something? Northeast Asian girls and Latina girls are different from the skeleton Why should I, a mere sex tourist, be insulted over a cab fare. You are extremely rude.
I don't eat at McDonalds and to make that comparison to desperate people looking for money to McDonalds pricing is ludicrous.You are forgetting, they are all just cunts. Fuckem & forgetem.
Exoticspirit
05-01-24, 14:34
Why is it so aggressive?
Do I have to be told I'm a loser for asking if I'm paying for a cab?Unfortunately that's just the way it is on forums like this one. It's the same on terb which is the monger forum for Toronto area. Whenever guys can hide behind computers, they feel they can dictate how their way is the only right way. Forums like this one is suppose to be about sharing of useful info respecting that each of us could have different preferences. It would be interesting to see if those who are rude act like this in person if we were all in a group down there. I recall that when I was at Blackbeard's in Dominican Rep and at bars in Angeles City, all the guys meeting each other for the first time were really cool and happy to share info about the places we've each been to. Nobody was rude to each other in person.
Why is it so aggressive?
Do I have to be told I'm a loser for asking if I'm paying for a cab?
How do you know if I'm available to meet girls in my home country or not? Do you have the eyes of fucking Sauron on your head or something? Northeast Asian girls and Latina girls are different from the skeleton Why should I, a mere sex tourist, be insulted over a cab fare. You are extremely rude.The answer to your question is "yes. " It is common for girls in Medellin to ask for taxi fare. This is commonly discussed before a price agreement is reached. Prices between 20,000 and 50,000 pesos are common. Many of the girls have someone who provides taxi service. They will call or send a message to their driver when they are finished.
For a woman, getting into a strange taxi or Uber is risky, especially late at night. If the woman is dressed like a prostitute, the risk increases. Some women use a friend for transportation. The friend will wait nearby, until the woman is finished. The amount the woman asks for isn't necessarily excessive, even if it's 5 times the Uber price.
Found in a hostel by his girlfriend, no signs of violence, empty medicine bottles, and obvious obesity-related health problems. Stop needlessly fear-mongering.RIP to this guy and the Many who have Died from the Clot Shot-- We Live in a Clown World.
I looked up the definition of haggle.
dispute or bargain persistently, especially over the cost of something.
Why is it so aggressive?
Do I have to be told I'm a loser for asking if I'm paying for a cab?.You asked a question and you did not haggle. My reply was quoted so one can assume that was directed to my reply or me.
As the price difference, it seems some others are saying you picked her up from Lleras but you should pay for the taxi to wherever they choose. But without knowing what her destination was, we are all jumping to conclusion.
The first one is 400 mil. Would you tell us how much you paid for this one?
Mr Enternational
05-01-24, 15:39
Unfortunately that's just the way it is on forums like this one. Yep. That is just the nature of the beast. I am on a local Thailand news forum. I brought up that a chick I had been fucking for a couple of weeks had to go home because her father needed surgery. Mfs were actually telling me I should be the one paying $3,000 for the surgery of a grown man that I have never met simply because I had been fucking his daughter all of two weeks. It is like mfs are not used to getting pussy and when they do they should accept being treated any kind of way. To some guys the pussy is the prize even if they are paying for it.
Why is it so aggressive?
Do I have to be told I'm a loser for asking if I'm paying for a cab?
How do you know if I'm available to meet girls in my home country or not? Do you have the eyes of fucking Sauron on your head or something? Northeast Asian girls and Latina girls are different from the skeleton Why should I, a mere sex tourist, be insulted over a cab fare. You are extremely rude.Perhaps you weren't able to follow the context of the conversation. I don't even remember your name so you might generally expect the conversation wasn't about you.
You brought something up because you don't have much familiarity with Medellin. Esta bien. Other people made obnoxious comments about haggling over the taxi fare. One not very social person even suggested that he is here to "use" the desperate women and he has no bad feelings about taking advantage of their desperation.
Some of us are actually part of the human race. I am not saying you have to overpay by a huge amount, make a deal that you are both happy with, but haggling over 7,50 mil on the transportation is taking "cheap" to a whole new level.
Do you understand it now?
Let me guess, you are a MAGA supporter and conspiracy believer?
RIP to this guy and the Many who have Died from the Clot Shot-- We Live in a Clown World..
Let me guess, you are a MAGA supporter and conspiracy believer?
.See'Mon. Man. His "opinion" is surely based on his expertise and PhDs in: virology, immunology, epidemiology and vaccinology. Surely he isn't just some MAGA supporter who knows nothing at all but spews out random opinions based on something he heard from some conspiracy outlet.
It is people like you that one should avoid. Poor girls that see you.
You are forgetting, they are all just cunts. Fuckem & forgetem..
Let me guess, you are a MAGA supporter and conspiracy believer?
.You're a Gullable Fool who Believes the news sources Funded by Big Pharma -- Good Luck with that Booster dumbAss-.
Actually many have died from the shit vax including a good friend of mine- So Many Young People with Myocarditus -.
LOL -- The Clot shot Killed MANY that would have been Fine without that shit --You're a Dick head-- More People Die now than in 2019- 5 More peolple Die a day in 2024 than in 2019- I wonder why? Durrrrhhhhh.
RIP -- Marvin Hagler and so many other Mysterious deaths in 2023 - 2024.
Let me guess, you are a MAGA supporter and conspiracy believer?
.
Let me guess, you are a MAGA supporter and conspiracy believer?
.You're a Gullable Fool who Believes the news sources Funded by Big Pharma -- Good Luck with that Booster dumbAss-.
Actually many have died from the shit vax including a good friend of mine- So Many Young People with Myocarditus -.
LOL -- The Clot shot Killed MANY that would have been Fine without that shit --You're a Dick head-- More People Die now than in 2019- 5 More peolple Die a day in 2024 than in 2019- I wonder why? Durrrrhhhhh.
RIP -- Marvin Hagler and so many other Mysterious deaths in 2023 - 2024.
Judging by your vocabulary you are definitely MAGA. According to NIH, 232,000 lives could have been save from May. 2021 to Sept 2022 had they been vaccinated.
I too know people that died due to the virus before the vaccine was made available. I guess you suffer from dementia as you don't seem to remember hospitals being full to capacity.
with patients and on life support.
You're a Gullable Fool who Believes the news sources Funded by Big Pharma -- Good Luck with that Booster dumbAss-.
Actually many have died from the shit vax including a good friend of mine- So Many Young People with Myocarditus -.
LOL -- The Clot shot Killed MANY that would have been Fine without that shit --You're a Dick head-- More People Die now than in 2019- 5 More peolple Die a day in 2024 than in 2019- I wonder why? Durrrrhhhhh.
RIP -- Marvin Hagler and so many other Mysterious deaths in 2023 - 2024.
Judging by your vocabulary you are definitely MAGA. According to NIH, 232,000 lives could have been save from May. 2021 to Sept 2022 had they been vaccinated.
I too know people that died due to the virus before the vaccine was made available. I guess you suffer from dementia as you don't seem to remember hospitals full to capacity.
With patients and on life support.He's got the misspellings and random capitalization syndrome that all good MAGAs must have, emulating the great orange master.
……..
LOL -- The Clot shot Killed MANY that would have been Fine without that shit --You're a Dick head-- More People Die now than in 2019- 5 More peolple Die a day in 2024 than in 2019- I wonder why? You might not be aware of this but if you have an argument with substance it isn't stronger when you call people names. The other point you made which is completely silly is comparing CoVid deaths or vaccine deaths in 2024 vs 2019. The CoVid epidemic didn't reach US shores until 2020 so obviously 1 death in 2024 is dramatically more than the -0- deaths in 2019.
As an unbiased observor I would say that you shouldn't argue with that guy IamLookin: because he appears to be light years brighter than you.
Let me guess, you are a MAGA supporter and conspiracy believer?
.The conspiracies are the 2 dozen tales full of lies that the USA put out during COVID. If you had paid attention to the facts that have gradually emerged, you would know that.
The conspiracies are the 2 dozen tales full of lies that the USA put out during COVID. If you had paid attention to the facts that have gradually emerged, you would know that.Perhaps this is more appropriate in Stupid Shit in Medellin? This is the type of debate that really should not be in Medellin Reports. Lets go back to what really matters. Girls in Medellin. I think we can all agree on that.
And HERE we have another member of the MAGA club. Do you have your MAGA hat on now?
Like to see where these "facts" are from. Probably the same source as Woodman?
The conspiracies are the 2 dozen tales full of lies that the USA put out during COVID. If you had paid attention to the facts that have gradually emerged, you would know that.
And HERE we have another member of the MAGA club. Do you have your MAGA hat on now?
Why would I want to make America great again. I have never even been there (if you refer to USA).
Look up any video or analysis by John Campbell, Jay Bhattacharya, Brett Weinstein, Martin Kulldorff, Karl Friston, Sunetra Gupta, Robert Malone, countless others, all mostly blocked by the corrupted social media channels.
But you don't even need to do that all you need study are the claims made by government that were proven to be false and baseless.
I just checked the first one on your list. He is a spreader of false information. Do I need to check the others?
John Lorimer Campbell is an English YouTuber and retired nurse educator known for his videos about the COVID-19 pandemic. Initially, the videos received praise, but they later veered into misinformation. He has been criticised for suggesting COVID-19 deaths have been over-counted, repeating false claims about the use of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, and providing misleading commentary about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.
Why would I want to make America great again. I have never even been there (if you refer to USA).
Look up any video or analysis by John Campbell, Jay Bhattacharya, Martin Kulldorff, Karl Friston, Sunetra Gupta, Robert Malone, countless others, all mostly blocked by the corrupted social media channels.
But you don't even need to do that all you need study are the claims made by government that were proven to be false and baseless.
I just checked the first one on your list. He is a spreader of false information.
..veered into misinformation. He has been criticised for suggesting COVID-19 deaths have been over-counted, repeating false claims about the use of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, and providing misleading commentary about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.Need I say more? Who wrote this, the lying mainstream news and social media propaganda? If it's misinformation that he spreads, they would have some evidence - but they never have. All they have are assertions. Watch his videos. He provides plenty of source evidence in each one.
Ah yes, that mainstream lying media. They are working to destroy us all. They make up their own evidence for sinister diabolical purposes.
They are working with governments and public officials to kill us all. I get it now.
Need I say more? Who wrote this, the lying mainstream news and social media propaganda? If it's misinformation that he spreads, they would have some evidence - but they never have. All they have are assertions. Watch his videos. He provides plenty of source evidence in each one.
Ah yes, that mainstream lying media. They are working to destroy us all. They make up their own evidence for sinister diabolical purposes.
They are working with governments and public officials to kill us all. I get it now.Not sure about "kill us all". But the rest of what you is correct. Certainly they couldn't give a shlt about you nor I. Glad we finally agree.
I don't agree with you at all. In fact I find your response and also Woodman's quite amusing and ludicrous.
Not sure about "kill us all". But the rest of what you is correct. Certainly they couldn't give a shlt about you nor I. Glad we finally agree.
I don't agree with you at all. In fact I find your response and also Woodman's quite amusing and ludicrous.If you still believe the mainstream press at this stage, your just a gullible sucker. We are all being ground in to the dirt but you won't notice until you have no clothes left.
All the top independent jouranilists agree. You just need to open your ears and eyes to realise we are being raped of everything we have.
Take the genocide taking place as a great example of media whitewashing.
Wow, please go on, this is very interesting.
If you still believe the mainstream press at this stage, you're just a gullible sucker. We are all being ground in to the dirt but you won't notice until you have no clothes left.
All the top independent jouranilists agree. You just need to open your ears and eyes to realise we are being raped of everything we have.
Take the genocide taking place as a great example of media whitewashing.
The conspiracies are the 2 dozen tales full of lies that the USA put out during COVID. If you had paid attention to the facts that have gradually emerged, you would know that.-- The So called 'Conspiracies' Are Not.
You two should start your own comedy team. ( Woodman and JustTK ) the real Beavis and Butthead.
By the way Woodman, Hagler was one of the great fighters of all time. I agree with you on that.
But he did not die from the Covid vaccination, that is simply another conspiracy theory you fell for.
-- The So called 'Conspiracies' Are Not.
( Woodman and JustTK ) the real Beavis and Butthead. The omly thing you provided to support your claim was " it says so in the mainstream media". Thats like asking a christian to provide evidence of god, and them replying " its obvious stupid, just look in the bible!
And then you resort to ad homs. Just shows u r a gullible sheep, just bleating.
Casa No Va
05-03-24, 12:53
You two should start your own comedy team. ( Woodman and JustTK ) the real Beavis and Butthead.
By the way Woodman, Hagler was one of the great fighters of all time. I agree with you on that.
But he did not die from the Covid vaccination, that is simply another conspiracy theory you fell for.Yeah I'm Lookin. Yeah your not looking at the Science. Just spoon feeding the official.
Narrative from CDC WHO and NIH. How long did it take the government to admit the original Polio vaccines had SV40 in it.
Go take your boosters. I pray for all the idiots who decided they wanted to be Guinea pigs for a MRNA tech vaccine.
Never long term studied on humans and never before used as a vaccine in history.
In what science journals have you read that a vaccine should be distributed in the middle of a global pandemic 1 year in. Hahah.
You don't. You treat it with antivirals like Ivermectin dummy Vaccines are used before a pandemic.
Hope you lemmings smarten up before the next globally implemented farse.
Casa No Va
05-03-24, 15:46
You might not be aware of this but if you have an argument with substance it isn't stronger when you call people names. The other point you made which is completely silly is comparing CoVid deaths or vaccine deaths in 2024 vs 2019. The CoVid epidemic didn't reach US shores until 2020 so obviously 1 death in 2024 is dramatically more than the -0- deaths in 2019.
As an unbiased observor I would say that you shouldn't argue with that guy IamLookin: because he appears to be light years brighter than you.Its called "Excess deaths". They are up 40% from prepandemic levels and the uptick happened after the vaccine rollout. You Villainy are clueless.
Its a number that has been studied for decades by insurance companies and other medical.
Agencies. You are all biased and don't want to admit you were duped to take a vaccine that wasn't safe or effective. Follow the science!
Casa No Va
05-03-24, 16:03
Judging by your vocabulary you are definitely MAGA. According to NIH, 232,000 lives could have been save from May. 2021 to Sept 2022 had they been vaccinated.
I too know people that died due to the virus before the vaccine was made available. I guess you suffer from dementia as you don't seem to remember hospitals being full to capacity.
with patients and on life support.The NIH that had to change the official definition of a Vaccine when their jabs were found not to prevent transmission. LOL. Wow what dunces.
Your dumb if you think that only MAGA supporters are critical of the pandemic outbreak, the Global response and lockdown and the testing of an experimental gene modifying MRNA jab a year after the pandemic occurred. One that doesn't stay localized in the arm and has your body producing its own spike proteins that cause clotting and cardiovascular inflammatory issues all over the body. It kills your natural T cell immunity and 1/3 of the doses had toxicities and were full of dna fragments and sv40 from.
The speedy manufacturing process. If anyone was worried about the truth being seen for what it is, it would be Trump for stupidly fast tracking the development of the Covid jabs. Your only defense against truth is calling people conspiracy theorists or MAGA. Your not looking hard enough or in the right places.
My responses.
1) The vaccine helped prevent a significant amount of people from having to be hospitalized or lose their lives. It was never a cure all. The NIH had to make that clear later so that the mentally challenged can understand.
2) Overall, heart inflammation is an extremely rare side effect of the COVID-19 vaccine. In fact, heart inflammation is much more common if you get the COVID-19 virus.
3) The possibility of getting DNA fragments damaging your immunity is extremely unlikely. We are talking in the millions to 1 chance. There was a doctor who started this B.S. But it has since been disproven.
4). 1/3 of the doses?? Really? What or where is the source (s) of your information coming from?
The NIH that had to change the official definition of a Vaccine when their jabs were found not to prevent transmission. LOL. Wow what dunces.
Your dumb if you think that only MAGA supporters are critical of the pandemic outbreak, the Global response and lockdown and the testing of an experimental gene modifying MRNA jab a year after the pandemic occurred. One that doesn't stay localized in the arm and has your body producing its own spike proteins that cause clotting and cardiovascular inflammatory issues all over the body. It kills your natural T cell immunity and 1/3 of the doses had toxicities and were full of dna fragments and sv40 from.
The speedy manufacturing process. If anyone was worried about the truth being seen for what it is, it would be Trump for stupidly fast tracking the development of the Covid jabs. Your only defense against truth is calling people conspiracy theorists or MAGA. Your not looking hard enough or in the right places.
Where do you get these numbers?
40 pct from pre pandemic levels? What baseline was used?
Can you elaborate on this number? Who conducted this research or where on earth did you get this?
Your number makes no sense.
Its called "Excess deaths". They are up 40% from prepandemic levels and the uptick happened after the vaccine rollout. You Villainy are clueless.
Its a number that has been studied for decades by insurance companies and other medical.
Agencies. You are all biased and don't want to admit you were duped to take a vaccine that wasn't safe or effective. Follow the science!
Woodman, you really need to at least a bit of research before posting. Besides the ranting below you wrote about Marvin Hager dying in 2023-2024.
Marvin Hager died in 2021 and it was not due to the vaccine.
While Hagler's cause of death has not been made public, his wife Kay has dispelled rumours that it is linked to a COVID-19 jab. She wrote on Facebook two days after his death: "I was the only person close to him until the last minute, and I am the only person that know how things went not even his family know all the details and I do NOT accept to read some stupid comment without knowing really what happen.
Marvin was not healthy and it was kept private. But of course there are the conspiracy people spreading lies.
I do agree with you that he was one of the best fighters ever. His crown was stolen in his last fight with Sugar Ray Leonard.
You're a Gullable Fool who Believes the news sources Funded by Big Pharma -- Good Luck with that Booster dumbAss-.
Actually many have died from the shit vax including a good friend of mine- So Many Young People with Myocarditus -.
LOL -- The Clot shot Killed MANY that would have been Fine without that shit --You're a Dick head-- More People Die now than in 2019- 5 More peolple Die a day in 2024 than in 2019- I wonder why? Durrrrhhhhh.
RIP -- Marvin Hagler and so many other Mysterious deaths in 2023 - 2024.
The NIH that had to change the official definition of a Vaccine when their jabs were found not to prevent transmission. LOL. Wow what dunces.
Your dumb if you think that only MAGA supporters are critical of the pandemic outbreak, the Global response and lockdown and the testing of an experimental gene modifying MRNA jab a year after the pandemic occurred. One that doesn't stay localized in the arm and has your body producing its own spike proteins that cause clotting and cardiovascular inflammatory issues all over the body. It kills your natural T cell immunity and 1/3 of the doses had toxicities and were full of dna fragments and sv40 from.
The speedy manufacturing process. If anyone was worried about the truth being seen for what it is, it would be Trump for stupidly fast tracking the development of the Covid jabs. Your only defense against truth is calling people conspiracy theorists or MAGA. Your not looking hard enough or in the right places.First of all it was the CDC that changed their definition. It had nothing to do with the ineffectiveness of the vaccine against CoVid. Here, instead of repeating widely discredited babble, why don't you read about the reality:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-976069264061
You see, the vaccine does / did indirectly prevent transmission. Why? The truism is that if a person doesn't have the virus he (or she) can't transmit it. Kind of simple but obvious, right? Well the vaccine made it much less likely that the person vaccinated would get infected with the virus. Again, if you don't have it, you can't spread it. Now even if the vaccinated person does get infected (much lower likelihood but certainly possible) the person is much more likely to survive and the recovery period was demonstrated to be a much shorter period of time in the vast majority of cases. Again shorter period of infection, faster recovery means shorter period of transmissibility. That is the basic science.
Yeah I'm Lookin. Yeah your not looking at the Science. Just spoon feeding the official.
Narrative from CDC WHO and NIH. How long did it take the government to admit the original Polio vaccines had SV40 in it.
Go take your boosters. I pray for all the idiots who decided they wanted to be Guinea pigs for a MRNA tech vaccine.
Never long term studied on humans and never before used as a vaccine in history.
In what science journals have you read that a vaccine should be distributed in the middle of a global pandemic 1 year in. Hahah.
You don't. You treat it with antivirals like Ivermectin dummy Vaccines are used before a pandemic.
Hope you lemmings smarten up before the next globally implemented farse.I'm not here to debate your opinion on vaccines. I'm just pointing out some egregious errors in your post.
Ivermectin isn't an antiviral. It's used internally to treat parasitic infections. It also has topical uses to treat rosacea and head lice. A simple search will show you a list of common antiviral drugs. For COVID-19, Paxlovid is prescribed for at risk patients. I can only speak of my own experience with Paxlovid. Two days after symptoms appeared and testing positive, I started taking Paxlovid, prescribed by my physician. Within 36 hours all symptoms had disappeared and within 3 days I was fully recovered. That was my second about with Covid. My first time, from the first onset of symptoms, until all symptoms were gone was almost 4 weeks. For the record I'm in a high risk group.
It's difficult to use vaccines before a pandemic, because there's no vaccine. It's like putting new tires on your car, when you don't have a car. Vaccines are developed in response to things like pandemics or other serious illnesses.
Almost anything you put in your body, from food, to recreational drugs, to vaccines will cause health problems in a percentage of the population. There are even infants who are unable to digest their own mother's breast milk. Vaccines and medicines are not exempt from the risk of adverse reactions. Anyone who expects any medicine or vaccine to be 100% safe and effective in 100% of the population is not qualified to have an opinion on the subject.
With any course of treatment, or prevention, each individual should consider their own risks, consult with qualified physicians and make their own decision. Whether you choose to take Ivermectin, gargle with bleach, stick a tanning lamp bulb up your ass, or follow a physicians advice to recover from, or reduce risk of infection from Covid is your own choice and I celebrate your decision, whatever it may be.
Something to listen to if you have time to kill.
https://rumble.com/v4fqx12-tucker-carlson-uncensored-the-vaccine-interview-with-steve-kirsch.html
I wonder if the posters who spread these conspiracy theories ever consider the effect of their terrible spelling and grammar on their credibility. L also wonder if more research needs to be done on creating a vaccine for incredibly stupid. Incredibly stupid appears to be contagious because it seems to be spreading. Incredibly stupid also has a lot of side effects.
Something to listen to if you have time to kill.
https://rumble.com/v4fqx12-tucker-carlson-uncensored-the-vaccine-interview-with-steve-kirsch.htmlThis one is far better and addresses concerns raised by all the usual suspects.
https://youtu.be/gPHgRp70H8o?si=FChScX-26OOPtnll
Something to listen to if you have time to kill.
https://rumble.com/v4fqx12-tucker-carlson-uncensored-the-vaccine-interview-with-steve-kirsch.htmlMy Friend died 5 days after-- I know people who lost family suddenly After Vaxxing-.
And so many sad stories of Ruined Health-- People have been Crippled by this Shit Vax-.
So glad I did not take it-- I had covid several times and it was bad but I took Ivermectin ($3. 50 in Colombia) and got immediate relief from the nasty symptoms.
Here is an interesting video about the spike protein from a British Dr who is totally credible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEE5OfiVS7o
Something to listen to if you have time to kill.
https://rumble.com/v4fqx12-tucker-carlson-uncensored-the-vaccine-interview-with-steve-kirsch.htmlMy Friend died 5 days after-- I know people who lost family suddenly After Vaxxing-.
And so many sad stories of Ruined Health-- People have been Crippled by this Shit Vax-- BigPharma and their media scumbags cover a lot of this up.
So Disgusting how so many were coersed to take the shitvax.
So glad I did not take it-- I had covid several times and it was a bad flu and now it has evolved into a milder flu--I took Ivermectin ($3. 50 in Colombia) and got immediate relief from the nasty symptoms.
Here is an interesting video about the spike protein from a British Dr who is totally credible but was silenced by bigpharma government scumbags like so many other drs and scientists who saw the truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEE5OfiVS7o
I wonder if the posters who spread these conspiracy theories ever consider the effect of their terrible spelling and grammar on their credibility. L also wonder if more research needs to be done on creating a vaccine for incredibly stupid. Incredibly stupid appears to be contagious because it seems to be spreading. Incredibly stupid also has a lot of side effects.The stick up your ass about spelling / grammar-- People are still dying and getting injured you friggen Dickhead --pull your head out of your Ass-- Good Luck with your next booster-- Get your will done.
Mr Enternational
05-04-24, 17:42
My Friend died 5 days after-- I know people who lost family suddenly After Vaxxing-.
And so many sad stories of Ruined Health-- People have been Crippled by this Shit Vax-.I do not have a dog in the fight, but I know a ton of people that say in hindsight they wish they would not have taken it. I know zero people that say they are glad they took it. I also know zero people that say they wish they would have taken it. But in all fairness maybe those from the last group are dead.
My Friend died 5 days after-- I know people who lost family suddenly After Vaxxing-.
And so many sad stories of Ruined Health-- People have been Crippled by this Shit Vax-- BigPharma and their media scumbags cover a lot of this up.
So Disgusting how so many were coersed to take the shitvax.
So glad I did not take it-- I had covid several times and it was a bad flu and now it has evolved into a milder flu--I took Ivermectin ($3. 50 in Colombia) and got immediate relief from the nasty symptoms.
Here is an interesting video about the spike protein from a British Dr who is totally credible but was silenced by bigpharma government scumbags like so many other drs and scientists who saw the truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEE5OfiVS7oSame here man. The information is out there if you look for it. I don't try to convince anyone on the facts as I find it to be a waste of time trying to debate the issue. Here's a site with people sharing their stories. I highly doubt that these people or their parents are making this shit up.
https://www.realnotrare.com/
The stick up your ass about spelling / grammar-- People are still dying and getting injured you friggen Dickhead --pull your head out of your Ass-- Good Luck with your next booster-- Get your will done.I have had a total of seven shots now, the two initial series plus five boosters. I'm 67 and can run 10 k in under an hour. I'm also vaccinated against polio, smallpox, yellow fever, hepatitis, pneumonia, and shingles. And despite being a complete, total, and utter dickhead and proud of it, I have a will, a durable power of attorney, and an advance directive. I also have sufficient education to not embareass myself with my writing. But bless your heart.
My Friend died 5 days after-- I know people who lost family suddenly After Vaxxing-.
And so many sad stories of Ruined Health-- People have been Crippled by this Shit Vax-.
So glad I did not take it-- I had covid several times and it was bad but I took Ivermectin ($3. 50 in Colombia) and got immediate relief from the nasty symptoms.
Here is an interesting video about the spike protein from a British Dr who is totally credible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEE5OfiVS7oWhat I Do is just Randomly capitAlize A LoT and use aLot of dots and dashes when I am Just TO Stoopid to like Write and Stuff because that's rilly Hard Like Writing and Stuff.
Does anyone know a sports bar in Medellin that will showing the fight tonight?
Flawless Zeal
05-05-24, 03:06
a British Dr *not a medical doctor (of course).
Let me get this straight.
You know a ton of people that wish they hand not gotten the vaccine and zero that are glad they took it?
I could only imagine the IQ level of the ton of people you associate with that believe it is harmful.
Really? Don't know anyone that is glad about the vaccine? I find your statement absurd and ridiculous.
I do not have a dog in the fight, but I know a ton of people that say in hindsight they wish they would not have taken it. I know zero people that say they are glad they took it. I also know zero people that say they wish they would have taken it. But in all fairness maybe those from the last group are dead.
Casa No Va
05-05-24, 13:47
I have had a total of seven shots now, the two initial series plus five boosters. I'm 67 and can run 10 k in under an hour. I'm also vaccinated against polio, smallpox, yellow fever, hepatitis, pneumonia, and shingles. And despite being a complete, total, and utter dickhead and proud of it, I have a will, a durable power of attorney, and an advance directive. I also have sufficient education to not embareass myself with my writing. But bless your heart.Do you not understand the difference between MRNA shots that have never been tested long term and cause your body to create its own spike proteins.
To all the vaccines you listed off. Your claim is asinine!
7 boosters wow. You older folk better read more and follow the real science. Not pharma funded media and agencies!
Casa No Va
05-05-24, 14:01
Let me get this straight.
You know a ton of people that wish they hand not gotten the vaccine and zero that are glad they took it?
I could only imagine the IQ level of the ton of people you associate with that believe it is harmful.
Really? Don't know anyone that is glad about the vaccine? I find your statement absurd and ridiculous.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10452662/
Read that if you can comprehend it!
Maybe making a vaccine that has your body produce toxic spike protein wasnt a great idea after all.
My IQ and intuition told me right away to stay far away when I heard it wasnt a regular vaccine.
Casa No Va
05-05-24, 14:25
IQ has absolutely nothing to do with grammar. The IQ tests have no grammar based questions in them, quite rightly.
"I didn't know if I'the done bad" – says kid with IQ of 161.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/spelling-grammar-judge-literacy-privilege-elitism-a9213516.html
*not a medical doctor (of course).Yeah, I read his CV. He achieved his doctorate (PhD) in Philosophy topping off a career as a nurse and a nurse trainer. Woodman probably doesn't know this term but it is called "confirmation bias". That term describes a person who has made up his mind about some issue and searches out sources that validate or support his belief. Naturally the sources that are vociferous in their castigation of the vaccine are a minuscule portion of the medical community and obvious to say, that much of the criticism has been debunked.
And, of course, he claims to know someone who died after taking the vaccine which opens up a whole new can of logical fallacy. Correlation does not always equal causation. Meaning? Just because B followed A it doesn't come close to meaning that A caused B.
I do not have a dog in the fight, but I know a ton of people that say in hindsight they wish they would not have taken it. I know zero people that say they are glad they took it. I also know zero people that say they wish they would have taken it. But in all fairness maybe those from the last group are dead.You know me bro (at least on ISG LOL). Back in 2021 I had to get vaccinated or they wouldn't let me work on the boats in Alaska. I got 2 of the J&J vaccines back then like 6 month apart just so I could work and also so I didn't have to always do a PCR test when I was traveling. I more recently have gotten the Pfizer booster. The Comirnaty I actually just got recently and the Bivalent one I got past year before. Other than a sore arm I haven't had any side effects and I am glad I got the vaccines. Not only because it enabled me to work and travel easier or get into the cine or water park in Colombia in 2022 (remember that?) but also because I'm doing my part to help protect people such as my elderly mother when I come to visit her.
I have had a total of seven shots now, the two initial series plus five boosters. I'm 67 and can run 10 k in under an hour. I'm also vaccinated against polio, smallpox, yellow fever, hepatitis, pneumonia, and shingles. And despite being a complete, total, and utter dickhead and proud of it, I have a will, a durable power of attorney, and an advance directive. I also have sufficient education to not embareass myself with my writing. But bless your heart.Lately I've been making myself something of a Guinea pig when it comes to vaccines and I haven't had any side effects whatsoever. I even got up to 4 different shots in the same day (2 in each arm) just remember that if they are live attenuated vaccines they need to be at the time if you take more than one or else they have to be 28 days apart however, deactivated or MRNA vaccines do not have to follow that rule.
Those of you who know me know I like BBFS but I'm also trying to be responsible in other ways besides using a rubber which includes taking azithromycin when needed to ward off STDs but also it means getting vaccinated. I just recently fot three very important vaccines are the Gardasil 9 vaccine which prevents HPV, also it is important to be vaccinated against Hepatitis A and be I recently updated with the Twinrix vaccine which covers both. Also Bexsero (Meningitis B) vaccine which I recently just received the 2nd dosage, provides up to 40% protection against gonnerea which is the same as level as protection a flu shot provides against the flu. We will see on subsequent trips if I have to take azithromycin 40% lees often LOL.
Other vaccines I have gotten and do not regret are:
Monkeypox.
Yellow Fever.
Typhoid Fever.
Pneumonia.
Meningitis A.
TDAP.
I'm also looking into getting Japanese Encephalitis Vaccine as well. There is also a Herpes HSV2 MRNA vaccines made by Moderna that currently in clinical trials at university of Pennsylvania that I am going to get once it becomes available.
I'm not sure where all the misinformation about vaccines comes from bubi am living breathing proof that vaccines do not kill people. Maybe one in a million persons may have some adverse effects from the vaccines but seriously the odds of you being that one in a million person are so insignificant that it doesn't even matter, you are more likely to win the Powerball Mega Millions Lotto LOL.
Gabacho.
Yeah, I read his CV. He achieved his doctorate (PhD) in Philosophy topping off a career as a nurse and a nurse trainer. Woodman probably doesn't know this term but it is called "confirmation bias". That term describes a person who has made up his mind about some issue and searches out sources that validate or support his belief. Naturally the sources that are vociferous in their castigation of the vaccine are a minuscule portion of the medical community and obvious to say, that much of the criticism has been debunked.
And, of course, he claims to know someone who died after taking the vaccine which opens up a whole new can of logical fallacy. Correlation does not always equal causation. Meaning? Just because be followed A it doesn't come close to meaning that A caused be.My friend was a healthy guy who just happen to die 5 days later after vax -- Yeah just a big coincidence -- -- Just like Marvin Hagler died of 'Natural Causes' after vax-- THey just won't say how-.
All these coincidental Deaths after vax -- Suuuuuurrrrreeee.
So Many CoinkiDinks-- Too Many to list here-- But I have Conformation Bias-.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-60757293 https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/we-were-all-forced-mum-of-healthy-21yearold-who-died-after-moderna-blames-vaccine-mandates/news-story/63d221adaa84ccdfc5acc7d6c33f16f3 https://news.sky.com/story/healthy-doctor-died-after-very-rare-reaction-to-astrazeneca-covid-jab-12861032.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/20/health/doctor-death-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/health/covid-vaccine-death.html https://www.itv.com/news/central/2022-05-30/man-26-died-after-covid-jab-after-out-of-date-advice-at-vaccine-hub https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/coroner-issues-warning-after-man-28-given-fatal-covid-jab-because-of-gp-data-blunder/ar-AA1nViTH.
Just because B followed A it doesn't come close to meaning that A caused B.Post hoc ergo propter hoc. A particular favorite of Laura Loomer.
Same here man. The information is out there if you look for it. I don't try to convince anyone on the facts as I find it to be a waste of time trying to debate the issue. Here's a site with people sharing their stories. I highly doubt that these people or their parents are making this shit up.
https://www.realnotrare.com/Wow, that website is so sad.
So many Real people with good lives Ruined by the Crap vax on https://www.realnotrare.com/ -- Just horrible-- So glad I did not do it-- So sad for the people who had problems, most likely would be living their great lives if they had not. If you vaxed and are healthy you are Lucky.
I have had a total of seven shots now, the two initial series plus five boosters. I'm 67 and can run 10 k in under an hour. I'm also vaccinated against polio, smallpox, yellow fever, hepatitis, pneumonia, and shingles. And despite being a complete, total, and utter dickhead and proud of it, I have a will, a durable power of attorney, and an advance directive. I also have sufficient education to not embareass myself with my writing. But bless your heart.https://www.realnotrare.com/ --If you vaxed and are healthy you are Lucky. So many not like you-- https://www.realnotrare.com/ - So sad for the people who had problems, most likely would be living their great lives if they had not. For Most People covid is a flu.
--If you vaxed and are healthy you are Lucky. So many not like you-- So sad for the people who had problems, most likely would be living their great lives if they had not. For Most People covid is a flu.No, Woodman, Huacho isn't the lucky one. You Are .
You chose not to take the vaccine when it was available and survived. I don't really care that you have "an opinion". Of course, it isn't an informed opinion. You point to different sources that validate your point of view while ignoring thousands upon thousands of other sources that debunk some of the claims you hold so dear. You know nothing about epidemiology, or virology or immunology. That is fine, virtually none of us here have that professional background. But you also don't have a statistics background, if you did you might even see the fallacy or your reasoning.
Well the data is easily available.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination
What do we see? After an initial period of total devestation the fatality rate of CoVid settled in the 3% range for people who were unvaccinated. What about people who were vaccinated? Less than 1%. That turns out to be more than a million lives that were saved by the vaccines.
That math is simple. Worldometer kept pretty good records across all countries.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
What do we see for the US? About 111 million CoVid cases reported and 1. 2 million deaths. That is just over 1%. A big drop off when the rate was near 3% through 2021. All of this shows that the vaccine resulted in a much lower fatality rate from CoVid.
So the statistics validate the utility of the vaccine even if it wasn't (and probably still isn't perfect). So how many people died as a result of the vaccine. No one knows for sure, but the estimates I have seen suggest a few thousand at most. Many of the "reported deaths" aren't verifiable. Afterall it is a truism that we are all going to die. It is only a question of when and how.
https://fullfact.org/health/vaccine-deaths-survey/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw3NyxBhBmEiwAyofDYTWSUXIqoFA8k6BD6vJPYrLJlUTynJ0M88ESJ-JZSdTLxnHqXvqp5hoChJAQAvD_BwE
All this points in one direction. If you analyze the numbers and forget all these YouTube videos from Doctors of Philosophy you come to an inescapable conclusion. The vaccine was a big winner for humanity. Sorry this doesn't comport with what you want to be true. But numbers don't lie.
Elvis 2008
05-06-24, 07:25
If you vaxed and are healthy you are Lucky.LOL. No, they think they are healthy.
So sad for the people who had problems, most likely would be living their great lives if they had not. For Most People covid is a flu.Yeah, it is, and the vaccine was rolled out in a way such that pharmacy companies made the most money. When the vaccine worked the best and was available was in Late 2020/ early 2021. Even then the only double blinded study showed more deaths in the vaccinated group than the placebo group. While that slight elevation of deaths was blown off, it has held up over time. Yes, you were more likely to die getting vaccinated versus not.
The bullshit Democratic douche organizations though are lying about it. It is no surprise given how badly this virus was politicized that you were called a MAGA idiot. Anyway, now the NYTimes is admitting there were thousands hurt by the Covid vax but they lie and say there were millions saved. That was NEVER proven.
It is like every day something comes about something the government lied about. There was an email from Facebook's Zuckerberg just released to his executives about how Biden was pressuring them to censor the lab leak theory, and he wanted input on how hard to censor. Biden was polling well on Covid, and if the lab leak were confirmed, blame would have shifted from Trump to China, Fauci, and the real scumbag Peter Dazsak, and Biden could not have that.
I just think people want to turn the page though. They do not want to look back and relieve that pain.
As far as the side effects from the vaccine, I have seen it all: infertility, deafness from tinnitus, extreme muscle weakness ETC. Hell, there was even one study showing 20% of the children getting the vax had abnormal EKGs a week later. Despite all that, it seems that most people's symptoms though not all by any means are gone after a year.
From a political POV though, I will say that one silver lining is that what worked with Covid, this complete arrogance that government knows best, is not working with the economy. The Democrats are lying once again about how great the economy is and people are looking at their own check books and saying "Uh, uh not this time, guys" if you look at the polls.
The real silver lining though Woodman is with vaccines themselves as people are questioning all of them now. I have a friend whose kid was allergic to everything, and he researched vaccines, and it is insane how many are given. He said there has been a hundred fold increase in asthma and allergies since this many vaccines were given. A hundred fold!
So he goes to his pediatrician supposedly the best one in the area. He tells the doctor that the dead viruses are not enough to stimulate an immune response so aluminum has been added. This doctor, a very good one, says, "There is no aluminum in our vaccines", so my friend gets out the paper and shows it to him, and the doctor is horrified. The doctor agreed to keep seeing his kids without their getting further vaccines.
Of course, not many people previously knew that but RFK Jr. Told his story and wrote his book, and I myself did not know the drug companies have complete legal immunity on all vaccines which is fucking nuts. I just thought they had immunity on Covid.
I would bet that less than one in a hundred doctors know how to diagnose heavy metal toxicity, what the symptoms of it are, and an even smaller number know how to treat it.
Of course, this is not the first and won't be the last time people do something ridiculously unhealthy and claim it to be good. https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna22546056.
Men and women in ancient Greece took things a step further by slathering lead not just around their eyes but all over their face. Their white lead face cream was designed to "clear complexions of blemishes and to improve the color and texture of the skin" and was such a big hit that lead-based face masks soon became all the rage.
You can imagine what would be said back then if you tried to tell people lead was dangerous. "Oh, well, I have not had any problem with lead face cream. ".
Truth is lead and aluminum do much the same thing in the body, and we got guys here extolling the benefits of having aluminum injected into them. You seriously cannot make this shit up.
I'm not sure where all the misinformation about vaccines comes from bubi am living breathing proof that vaccines do not kill people. Maybe one in a million persons may have some adverse effects from the vaccines but seriously the odds of you being that one in a million person are so insignificant that it doesn't even matter.
But your not though Gabacho. Your just an anecdotal sample of 1. That's not s study we can safely extrapolate to the population at large. Many vaccines have been pulled from the public in the past due to safety concerns when their damage stats were much lower than the MRNA vac stats, but somehow that oversight didn't occur for the MRNA.
I don't think there are many people that are against the general idea of a vac. What people stand against are ineffective or pointless or potentially dangerous shots. Which the MRNA has proven to be a failure on all 3 counts. Plus its not a vac in any sense of the word. Big Brother had to redefine vac to allow it to be classified as one. But given that nearly everyone caught COVID anyway, it was a complete failure in its job to prevent oneself and others from catching it. It is really a gene or DNA shot.
Well the data is easily available.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination
What do we see? After an initial period of total devestation the fatality rate of CoVid settled in the 3% range for people who were unvaccinated. What about people who were vaccinated? Less than 1%. That turns out to be more than a million lives that were saved by the vaccines.
That math is simple. Worldometer kept pretty good records across all countries.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
https://fullfact.org/health/vaccine-deaths-survey/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw3NyxBhBmEiwAyofDYTWSUXIqoFA8k6BD6vJPYrLJlUTynJ0M88ESJ-JZSdTLxnHqXvqp5hoChJAQAvD_BwE
The vaccine was a big winner for humanity. But numbers don't lie."There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. ".
The stats reflect what the medical institutions and Big Pharma wanted them to show. The website you quote are merely and duitfully reporting the stats that they want the public to see -I. E. Grossly exaggaerated COVID deaths, low deaths caused by poor treatment, lack of recording of deaths caused by vac, absence of analysis of 'death from all causes'.
You are also imputing conclusions which cannot be drawn from the data. You cannot state the vac caused the death rate to fall. There are several other factors that could have caused that.
We were lied to by the government, vy pharma and by the medical institutions right from the start. It was a big cover up, for the mass murder of millions of people by the USA public medical instiutions run by Fauci, and then it became an opportunity to make billions of dollars in profiteering, and for the largest ever transfer / theft of wealth from the poor and middle classes to the ever-richer.
The mainstream media is a crucial tool in this strategy. To keep the general public on their side for as long as possible.
There was an email from Facebook's Zuckerberg just released to his executives about how Biden was pressuring them to censor the lab leak theory, and he wanted input on how hard to censor. Source? Link? Quote? And, of course, the vaccines don't contain aluminum: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2AQ2S9/.
Note that is not a "Democratic douche" source. And maybe I just think I'm healthy, but I know you're obese and thus unhealthy by definition.
LOL. No, they think they are healthy.
Yeah, it is, and the vaccine was rolled out in a way such that pharmacy companies made the most money. When the vaccine worked the best and was available was in Late 2020/ early 2021. Even then the only double blinded study showed more deaths in the vaccinated group than the placebo group. While that slight elevation of deaths was blown off, it has held up over time. Yes, you were more likely to die getting vaccinated versus not.
The bullshit Democratic douche organizations though are lying about it. It is no surprise given how badly this virus was politicized that you were called a MAGA idiot. Anyway, now the NYTimes is admitting there were thousands hurt by the Covid vax but they lie and say there were millions saved. That was NEVER proven.
It is like every day something comes about something the government lied about. There was an email from Facebook's Zuckerberg just released to his executives about how Biden was pressuring them to censor the lab leak theory, and he wanted input on how hard to censor. Biden was polling well on Covid, and if the lab leak were confirmed, blame would have shifted from Trump to China, Fauci, and the real scumbag Peter Dazsak, and Biden could not have that.
I just think people want to turn the page though. They do not want to look back and relieve that pain.
As far as the side effects from the vaccine, I have seen it all: infertility, deafness from tinnitus, extreme muscle weakness ETC. Hell, there was even one study showing 20% of the children getting the vax had abnormal EKGs a week later. Despite all that, it seems that most people's symptoms though not all by any means are gone after a year.
From a political POV though, I will say that one silver lining is that what worked with Covid, this complete arrogance that government knows best, is not working with the economy. The Democrats are lying once again about how great the economy is and people are looking at their own check books and saying "Uh, uh not this time, guys" if you look at the polls.
The real silver lining though Woodman is with vaccines themselves as people are questioning all of them now. I have a friend whose kid was allergic to everything, and he researched vaccines, and it is insane how many are given. He said there has been a hundred fold increase in asthma and allergies since this many vaccines were given. A hundred fold!
So he goes to his pediatrician supposedly the best one in the area. He tells the doctor that the dead viruses are not enough to stimulate an immune response so aluminum has been added. This doctor, a very good one, says, "There is no aluminum in our vaccines", so my friend gets out the paper and shows it to him, and the doctor is horrified. The doctor agreed to keep seeing his kids without their getting further vaccines.
Of course, not many people previously knew that but RFK Jr. Told his story and wrote his book, and I myself did not know the drug companies have complete legal immunity on all vaccines which is fucking nuts. I just thought they had immunity on Covid.
I would bet that less than one in a hundred doctors know how to diagnose heavy metal toxicity, what the symptoms of it are, and an even smaller number know how to treat it.
Of course, this is not the first and won't be the last time people do something ridiculously unhealthy and claim it to be good. https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna22546056.
Men and women in ancient Greece took things a step further by slathering lead not just around their eyes but all over their face. Their white lead face cream was designed to "clear complexions of blemishes and to improve the color and texture of the skin" and was such a big hit that lead-based face masks soon became all the rage.
You can imagine what would be said back then if you tried to tell people lead was dangerous. "Oh, well, I have not had any problem with lead face cream. ".
Truth is lead and aluminum do much the same thing in the body, and we got guys here extolling the benefits of having aluminum injected into them. You seriously cannot make this shit up.Great Information-- So Much be-S coming from the Clown World we are living in- By the way your inbox is full-.
Casa No Va
05-06-24, 14:49
Heart specialist and epidemiologist.
https://rumble.com/v4rsnpc-dr.-peter-mccullough-550000-americans-died-from-the-covid-19-mrna-vaccine.html
Mr Enternational
05-06-24, 14:50
Of course, this is not the first and won't be the last time people do something ridiculously unhealthy and claim it to be good. https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna22546056.
Men and women in ancient Greece took things a step further by slathering lead not just around their eyes but all over their face.Ancient Greece? Shit look at last century. They had the shoe fitting fluoroscope.
"Charles H. Baber, a merchant on Regent Street who claimed to be the first shoe retailer to use X-rays, replied with a letter the next day. Having used the machine since 1921, he wrote, he saw no harm to himself or his employees. The Times also ran a letter from J. Edward Seager of X-Rays Limited (as the Pedoscope's manufacturer was then called), noting that the machine had been tested and certified by the National Physical Laboratory. This fact, he wrote, “should be conclusive evidence that there is no danger whatever to either assistants or users of the pedoscope.”.
And that, seemingly, was that. The shoe-fitting fluoroscope flourished in the retail landscape with virtually no oversight. By the early 1950's, an estimated 10,000 machines were operating in the United States, 3,000 in the United Kingdom, and 1,000 in Canada. ".
https://spectrum.ieee.org/amp/when-xrays-were-all-the-rage-a-trip-to-the-shoe-store-was-dangerously-illuminating-2650232998
And they had radioactive vitamins:
"Because it was successful, it somehow became an all-powerful health tonic, taken in the same way as we take vitamins today – people were fascinated with its power," said Kate Moore, author of "The Radium Girls," in a phone interview.
It was a proper craze. Radium became an additive in a number of everyday products, from toothpaste to cosmetics and even food and drinks. One such preparation, called Radithor, was simply distilled water with tiny amounts of the substance dissolved in it. Boldly advertised as "A Cure for the Living Dead" and "Perpetual Sunshine," it promised to tackle various ailments from arthritis to gout. ".
https://www.cnn.com/style/article/radium-girls-radioactive-paint/index.html
Casa No Va
05-06-24, 15:23
Novel Coronavirus Southwestern Intergovernmental Committee.
4 hours worth if you have the time and actually care about your health.
https://rumble.com/v4jpey3-novel-coronavirus-southwestern-intergovernmental-committee-mar.-152024.html
No, Woodman, Huacho isn't the lucky one. You Are .
You chose not to take the vaccine when it was available and survived. I don't really care that you have "an opinion". Of course, it isn't an informed opinion. You point to different sources that validate your point of view while ignoring thousands upon thousands of other sources that debunk some of the claims you hold so dear. You know nothing about epidemiology, or virology or immunology. That is fine, virtually none of us here have that professional background. But you also don't have a statistics background, if you did you might even see the fallacy or your reasoning.
Well the data is easily available.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination
What do we see? After an initial period of total devestation the fatality rate of CoVid settled in the 3% range for people who were unvaccinated. What about people who were vaccinated? Less than 1%. That turns out to be more than a million lives that were saved by the vaccines.
That math is simple. Worldometer kept pretty good records across all countries.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
What do we see for the US? About 111 million CoVid cases reported and 1. 2 million deaths. That is just over 1%. A big drop off when the rate was near 3% through 2021. All of this shows that the vaccine resulted in a much lower fatality rate from CoVid.
So the statistics validate the utility of the vaccine even if it wasn't (and probably still isn't perfect). So how many people died as a result of the vaccine. No one knows for sure, but the estimates I have seen suggest a few thousand at most. Many of the "reported deaths" aren't verifiable. Afterall it is a truism that we are all going to die. It is only a question of when and how.
https://fullfact.org/health/vaccine-deaths-survey/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw3NyxBhBmEiwAyofDYTWSUXIqoFA8k6BD6vJPYrLJlUTynJ0M88ESJ-JZSdTLxnHqXvqp5hoChJAQAvD_BwE
All this points in one direction. If you analyze the numbers and forget all these YouTube videos from Doctors of Philosophy you come to an inescapable conclusion. The vaccine was a big winner for humanity. Sorry this doesn't comport with what you want to be true. But numbers don't lie.I am Lucky I did not end up like tHese Poor People https://www.realnotrare.com/ or the Many dead-- Murdered by Big pharma and fowchi (who should be ended) It would be great if these survivors would take up arms and get Street Justice from those responsible.
Please look past your Clown World Stats-- Have a Great Day.
Elvis 2008
05-07-24, 02:07
Source? Link? Quote? And, of course, the vaccines don't contain aluminumLOL. No, the Covid vaccines do not contain aluminum but all the other ones you bragged about getting do. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/adjuvants.html#text=Small%20 amounts%20 of%20 aluminum%20 are, air%2 see%20 food%2 see%20 and%20 water.
Aluminum-containing adjuvants are vaccine ingredients that have been used in vaccines since the 1930's. Small amounts of aluminum are added to some vaccines to help the body build stronger immunity against the germ in the vaccine. Aluminum is one of the most common metals found in nature and is present in air, food, and water.
Yeah, it is just a smidgen. It is a wafer thin amount of poison.
Note that is not a "Democratic douche" source. And maybe I just think I'm healthy, but I know you're obese and thus unhealthy by definition.How can you be healthy when you are a paranoid dumb fuck who locked himself up for 2 years afraid of the Covid bogeyman and describes himself as an asshole? You are mentally ill, like the fucking definition of cranky old man with toxins built up in his body, and you admitted it.
And here we go again, attacking me because you feel stupid. You suck up to the government and put poison in your body because they tell you to, and your response is I am healthier than you Elvis. What is my weight? My waist size? My blood pressure? My standing heart rate? What I said is that I was overweight and dumb fucks like you turned into an obese whale to compensate for how fucking stupid you are.
Elvis 2008
05-07-24, 02:14
I am Lucky I did not end up like tHese Poor People https://www.realnotrare.com/ or the Many dead-- Murdered by Big pharma and fowchi (who should be ended) It would be great if these survivors would take up arms and get Street Justice from those responsible.
Please look past your Clown World Stats-- Have a Great Day.Yeah just do not listen to Democratic douches like Viliany. The $20 trillion ir so added to the debt, the needless masks and lockdowns, the vaccine poisons, ETC were all worth it because they got rid of Trump. These douches are so fucking nuts they would prefer nuclear war to seeing Trump elected again. Their hatred of him, and I have no idea why it is so bad, knows no limit. You used to be able to have civil disagreements with them. Now they are absolutely positively certain they are right about everything and you are stupid. They are literally in a fucking cult.
You would think you could look back on this and see what was done right and wrong. Nope, you cannot. Vaccine mandates were totally right thing to do and you are a complete fucking idiot if you did not go along with them. Democrats literally cannot think for themselves any more.
So Elvis said the COVID vaccine contained aluminum, and I proved it does not. So then he says, okay actually it doesn't but the other vaccines you took do. Impressive logic there. He doesn't understand the concept of an adjuvant and doesn't understand the difference between aluminum salts and like you know, tin foil that he uses to make his hats. It's quite telling of the MAGA / Dump worshiping mentality that there would even be a concept of bragging about taking a vaccine. My generation all took polio and measles vaccines and no one bragged about it. Now, both those disease are making a comeback because of vaccine hesitancy created by the right. And since educational level and Republicanism are inversely correlated, Rs are easy to convince with propaganda and jingoism. I brush my teeth a couple of times a day too. Is it bragging to say that?
Novel Coronavirus Southwestern Intergovernmental Committee.
4 hours worth if you have the time and actually care about your health.
https://rumble.com/v4jpey3-novel-coronavirus-southwestern-intergovernmental-committee-mar.-152024.htmlGreat video-- shows what ScumBags that big pharma is-.
Flawless Zeal
05-07-24, 18:29
Who wants to bet these mongers trust "Big Pharma" when it comes to buying viagra, ciallis, doxycycline, truvada, Hep-A / Hep-B / HPV vaccines, or any other drugs they get for medical care throughout the rest of their life.
So Elvis said the COVID vaccine contained aluminum, and I proved it does not. So then he says, okay actually it doesn't but the other vaccines you took do. Impressive logic there. He doesn't understand the concept of an adjuvant and doesn't understand the difference between aluminum salts and like you know, tin foil that he uses to make his hats. It's quite telling of the MAGA / Dump worshiping mentality that there would even be a concept of bragging about taking a vaccine. My generation all took polio and measles vaccines and no one bragged about it. Now, both those disease are making a comeback because of vaccine hesitancy created by the right. And since educational level and Republicanism are inversely correlated, Rs are easy to convince with propaganda and jingoism. I brush my teeth a couple of times a day too. Is it bragging to say that?It's the classic Red Herring Fallacy. You pointed to the facts that show that the Covid-19 vaccines do not contain aluminum and then he diverted attention to the other vaccines which contain aluminum salts in a pathetic attempt to divert attention about being wrong about the Covid Vaccine.
The fact of the matter is that many lives were saved from the covid vaccines, math doesn't lie.
https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/16-01-2024-covid-19-vaccinations-have-saved-more-than-1.4-million-lives-in-the-who-european-region--a-new-study-finds
You know these antivaxers just come up with their own fake science to make themselves feel better about being idiots. There is no rationale in even trying to show them how they are wrong because even a brick wall isn't as stupid.
-Gabacho.
So Elvis said the COVID vaccine contained aluminum, and I proved it does not. So then he says, okay actually it doesn't but the other vaccines you took do. Impressive logic there. He doesn't understand the concept of an adjuvant and doesn't understand the difference between aluminum salts and like you know, tin foil that he uses to make his hats. It's quite telling of the MAGA / Dump worshiping mentality that there would even be a concept of bragging about taking a vaccine. My generation all took polio and measles vaccines and no one bragged about it. Now, both those disease are making a comeback because of vaccine hesitancy created by the right. And since educational level and Republicanism are inversely correlated, Rs are easy to convince with propaganda and jingoism. I brush my teeth a couple of times a day too. Is it bragging to say that?You can't reason with people who don't have even a semblance of an intellect.
Watch this, this is my summary of the arguments against the vaccine:
1. The vaccine is deadly! Look at all these YouTube videos that prove it! (he made up his mind and then looked for confirmation and of course, it is the internet. If his thesis had been that little green men from Mars brought CoVid over here, I have no doubt he would have found several YouTube clips supporting the idea).
2. The vaccine was deadly because I had a friend who died. Over 7 million people worldwide died from the CoVid virus.
3. The vaccine was not adequately tested. (It was adequately tested but not "completely" tested). The point is that the vaccine was tested very quickly, found effective and mass produced and sent around the world. I guess it would have been better to test and retest and tweak the vaccine until it was perfect and no one would have ever had a side effect. Of course, by then the population of the earth may have been considerably smaller. After-all the virus mutates and adapts. Testing for perfection would have been nuts.
4. The statistics don't mean anything because Big Pharma was dictating the results. Got to love that one. Oddly enough countries all over the world reported their results and somehow the results from country after country came in for the most part very close to those reported in the US. Once the vaccine was widely distributed in their countries the rate of deaths went down dramatically. I guess that means Big Pharma was dictating results from places like Cuba, Cambodia, Croatia, Chile and Chad. Just to name a few that start with the third letter of the alphabet.
5. And this one goes back a while. "We know the vaccine was deadly because Joe Rogan said so. " A line of reasoning only a drunk Elvis could have come up with. "But really, it is all the fault of the Democrat Douches. ".
Who wants to bet these mongers trust "Big Pharma" when it comes to buying viagra, ciallis, doxycycline, truvada, Hep-A / Hep-B / HPV vaccines, or any other drugs they get for medical care throughout the rest of their life.Or trust "Random Website in India" for their pharmaceutical needs.
Elvis 2008
05-08-24, 06:46
So Elvis said the COVID vaccine contained aluminum, and I proved it does not. So then he says, okay actually it doesn't but the other vaccines you took do. Impressive logic there. He doesn't understand the concept of an adjuvant and doesn't understand the difference between aluminum salts and like you know, tin foil that he uses to make his hats.LOL. No, I never said aluminum was in the Covid vaccine. You may have interpreted it that way, but I never said it. So your point is Mr. Five thousand boosters, the vaccine is safe, and everyone injured by it is a liar?
Do YOU understand the concept of adjuvant? LOL. Because I do not think you do.
And while you are at it smart ass, tell me how you diagnose aluminum toxicity, what are its symptoms, and how you treat it.
Who wants to bet these mongers trust "Big Pharma" when it comes to buying viagra, ciallis, doxycycline, truvada, Hep-A / Hep-B / HPV vaccines, or any other drugs they get for medical care throughout the rest of their life.You just won the internet!
You can either trust that the pharmaceutical companies and all the Healthcare companies are interested in keeping you alive (because a living customer will be a return customer), or whenever you need medical help, find the person who knows the least about medicine and let them treat you.
"911, What's your emergency?
"I'm having a heart attack, but instead of sending an ambulance with paramedics, can you send 4 clowns on motor scooters?
And while you are at it smart ass, tell me how you diagnose aluminum toxicity, what are its symptoms, and how you treat it.The same way I diagnose any other bullshit myth, by ignoring it.
Elvis 2008
05-08-24, 16:14
You can't reason with people who don't have even a semblance of an intellect.
Watch this, this is my summary of the arguments against the vaccine:
1. The vaccine is deadly! Look at all these YouTube videos that prove it! (he made up his mind and then looked for confirmation and of course, it is the internet. If his thesis had been that little green men from Mars brought CoVid over here, I have no doubt he would have found several YouTube clips supporting the idea).
2. The vaccine was deadly because I had a friend who died. Over 7 million people worldwide died from the CoVid virus.
3. The vaccine was not adequately tested. (It was adequately tested but not "completely" tested). The point is that the vaccine was tested very quickly, found effective and mass produced and sent around the world. I guess it would have been better to test and retest and tweak the vaccine until it was perfect and no one would have ever had a side effect. Of course, by then the population of the earth may have been considerably smaller. After-all the virus mutates and adapts. Testing for perfection would have been nuts..Your buddy JJBee got vaxxed and had Covid in what was May of 2021, and you stupidly had lunch with him when he was sick, and the first thing that idiot did was defend the drug companies. That shows what Democratic douches you two are.
And what has come out recently is the government knew the vaccine was losing its efficacy right then and they still kept mandating it. If you had an open mind and kept up with things, you would know that.
So now even the NY Times is admitting of those hurt by the vaccine, and even though you literally know someone who had the vaccine and got Covid, and yet you defend the drug companies.
And the drug company stats showed a higher death rate among those who got the vaccine, and you and your fucked up head along with others with other vaccines is still defending taking it.
And now all the government lies are out for people to see, but some idiot like you thinks he is making his mind up about the facts, the problem is you are using facts from the winter of 2021.
DiscoverFL
05-08-24, 16:25
LOL. No, I never said aluminum was in the Covid vaccine. You may have interpreted it that way, but I never said it. So your point is Mr. Five thousand boosters, the vaccine is safe, and everyone injured by it is a liar?The core issue is you as jumping in with an unproven assumption that people were injured by it. This same thing happened with the breast implant freakout claiming they were causing neurological diseases. The fact is that if you take 20,000 persons there will be some number (make it up, 10) who will get cancer tomorrow morning. Now if you give those 20,000 a shot of any kind, the same 10 will still get cancer tomorrow morning. Now those 10 will feel that maybe there is a connection and feel they can prove it ("I took the shot at 5 pm and 10 am Doctor checked me and said I just got cancer! The same issues that arose in all those breast implant lawsuits (many which won in court). Only after scientist showed that there was no increase in diseases between a non-breast implant population and those with implants that the who thing settled down. Same applies with any shot of this type. The ONLY way to scientifically prove it has negative effects is to take a non-shot identical population and a shot population and see if there is a difference in negative effects. So far, all studies show no statistic different (just as with breast implants causing neurological diseases). So currently there is no evidence that anyone has been injured by one of these shots. Yes, people have gotten VERY sick after getting one, but most likely they were going to get very sick anyways.
While I am at it, let me take another scientific view of this kind of fear. Say you have a disease that kills 100 in 1,000. Then you develop a shot that kills 1 in 1,000 but reduces the death rate of the disease to 10 in 1,000. Is that shot viable? I mean, it saves 89 in 1,000 over not taking anything. The shot sucks for some but saves more than it hurts. That is how the MMR shot works that all babies are recommended to get (the specific numbers are different, but the concept is the same. The MMR shot does hurt and kill some, but at far lower numbers than not taking it). So you can argue correctly that the MMR shot is not 100% safe, but you can also argue it saves way more lives than it hurts. Apply the same thinking of other shots, if you are able to prove they actually did hurt some. They may do this at a much lower rate than they save people.
Elvis 2008
05-08-24, 16:37
It's the classic Red Herring Fallacy. You pointed to the facts that show that the Covid-19 vaccines do not contain aluminumWhy would anyone think the Covid vaccine was the same as other vaccines when the government changed the definition of the vaccine with the Covid vaxx?
The fact of the matter is that many lives were saved from the covid vaccines, math doesn't lie.What math? I looked for it and got this: This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.
You know these antivaxers just come up with their own fake science to make themselves feel better about being idiots. What the hell are you talking about antivaxxer? I just said the polio and measles vaccines make sense for people to take.
Elvis 2008
05-08-24, 16:39
So currently there is no evidence that anyone has been injured by one of these shots.No evidence huh? Unreal.
Elvis 2008
05-08-24, 16:48
Who wants to bet these mongers trust "Big Pharma" when it comes to buying viagra, ciallis, doxycycline, truvada, Hep-A / Hep-B / HPV vaccines, or any other drugs they get for medical care throughout the rest of their life.Any fool can know if viagra works in 30 minutes. But you can get the Hepatits A vaccine, and you do not know if it worked, and you do not know what the side effects are. Plus, vaccines are mandated, and unlike with drugs, vaccine manufacturers cannot be sued, so your comparison is as apples to oranges as it gets.
And now we have the idiot JJBee chiming in who got the vaccine and got Covid defending the drug companies. You cannot make this shit up.
Whether or not I should be, I am astonished a group of grown men are on here re-litigating coronavirus vaccines and political conspiracies. I'm pretty sure there are places on the Internet dedicated to this sort of thing. I'm starting to realize that it is more about me because it doesn't really matter what topic I am reading, before long a handful of completely unrelated comments appear. Usually about immigration, vaccinations, or American elections.
So any fool can see the 2020 election was stolen, and any fool can see that COVID was a myth, and any fool can see that the COVID vaccine is a hoax. Good thing I'm not any fool. For all the fans of res ipsa loquitur out there, I had seven COVID shots and I'm not dead, so that proves absolutely the vaccine is safe ja ja.
Sorry, I meant post hoc ergo propter hoc and not res ipsa loquitur.
Elvis 2008
05-08-24, 17:11
So currently there is no evidence that anyone has been injured by one of these shots. Yes, people have gotten VERY sick after getting one, but most likely they were going to get very sick anyways.https://www.theburningplatform.com/2024/04/04/cdc-releases-hidden-trove-of-covid-19-vaccine-injury-reports/
The CDC, for years, declined to make the V-safe data public, instead publishing studies that described the reports as providing reassurance about the safety of the shots. However, according to data released in 2022, nearly 8 percent of the 10 million users required medical attention or hospital care after vaccination, and many others reported missing school, work, or other normal activities.
(And the vaccine was not even working in 2022.)
The first two tranches, comprising 780,000 reports from some 523,000 people, include dozens of reports of heart inflammation, hundreds of reports of facial paralysis, and thousands of reports of tinnitus.
And the fuckers at the CDC did not want to release the information:
The same judge who ordered the release of that data ordered the agency in January to disclose free-text entries from a different section where individuals could describe their experiences. USA District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk, appointed by former President Donald Trump, dismissed the government's arguments that processing the responses and redacting sensitive information would require too much work.
What do you mean people were likely to get sick anyway? How the fuck would you know that?
This the problem with you fucking Democratic douches. It does not matter how many millions of people got hurt as long as Trump got out of office.
I got the vaccine and I didn't get COVID so that proves it works. Okay, no it doesn't. But Woodman didn't get vaccinated and got COVID multiple times. That also proves the vaccine must work. Okay, no it doesn't prove anything. Juan Soto struck out on a fastball yesterday so that proves he can't hit fastballs. Oh and I had a whole bunch of aluminum toxicity in my system from all the vaccines I took, but then I wore a copper bracelet for six weeks and all the toxins are gone now. I know a guy who knew a guy who had a cousin whose friend got real sick from the COVID vaccine after he drank a liter of Southern Comfort. So I think maybe Southern Comfort causes COVID.
The core issue is you as jumping in with an unproven assumption that people were injured by it. This same thing happened with the breast implant freakout claiming they were causing neurological diseases. The fact is that if you take 20,000 persons there will be some number (make it up, 10) who will get cancer tomorrow morning. Now if you give those 20,000 a shot of any kind, the same 10 will still get cancer tomorrow morning. Now those 10 will feel that maybe there is a connection and feel they can prove it ("I took the shot at 5 pm and 10 am Doctor checked me and said I just got cancer! The same issues that arose in all those breast implant lawsuits (many which won in court). Only after scientist showed that there was no increase in diseases between a non-breast implant population and those with implants that the who thing settled down. Same applies with any shot of this type. The ONLY way to scientifically prove it has negative effects is to take a non-shot identical population and a shot population and see if there is a difference in negative effects. So far, all studies show no statistic different (just as with breast implants causing neurological diseases). So currently there is no evidence that anyone has been injured by one of these shots. Yes, people have gotten VERY sick after getting one, but most likely they were going to get very sick anyways..All these Bullshitters seem to be American-Canadian-- https://www.realnotrare.com There is undoubtably a bunch of fakers in Europe Asia and Australia too.
I got the vaccine and I didn't get COVID so that proves it works. Okay, no it doesn't. But Woodman didn't get vaccinated and got COVID multiple times. That also proves the vaccine must work. Okay, no it doesn't prove anything. Juan Soto struck out on a fastball yesterday so that proves he can't hit fastballs. Oh and I had a whole bunch of aluminum toxicity in my system from all the vaccines I took, but then I wore a copper bracelet for six weeks and all the toxins are gone now. I know a guy who knew a guy who had a cousin whose friend got real sick from the COVID vaccine after he drank a liter of Southern Comfort. So I think maybe Southern Comfort causes COVID.These People are All BullShitters-- The Covid Vax is Great!
And All these Doctors are Just Full of Shit too!! https://rumble.com/v4jpey3-novel-coronavirus-southwestern-intergovernmental-committee-mar.-152024.html.
I got the vaccine and I didn't get COVID so that proves it works. Okay, no it doesn't. But Woodman didn't get vaccinated and got COVID multiple times. That also proves the vaccine must work. Okay, no it doesn't prove anything. Juan Soto struck out on a fastball yesterday so that proves he can't hit fastballs. Oh and I had a whole bunch of aluminum toxicity in my system from all the vaccines I took, but then I wore a copper bracelet for six weeks and all the toxins are gone now. I know a guy who knew a guy who had a cousin whose friend got real sick from the COVID vaccine after he drank a liter of Southern Comfort. So I think maybe Southern Comfort causes COVID.These People are All BullShitters-- The Covid Vax is Great! https://www.realnotrare.com/.
And All these Doctors are just Full of Shit too!! https://rumble.com/v4jpey3-novel-coronavirus-southwestern-intergovernmental-committee-mar.-152024.html.
Hey guys, it's time to play a little game. I call it "Guess the hypocrite". Who among us was critical of anything to do with the virus but as soon as the vaccine was made available this person rushed to the local pharmacy and swishing his lard-ass, pushed people out of the way so that he could get to the front of the line and get his vaccination before they ran out.
There are several hints that should make it pretty easy but I'll throw in another one. This hypocrite is a prolific poster in the Stupid Shit in Medellin thread.
Iguana Six
05-09-24, 03:08
No minds have been changed.
No one has renounced their "religion" and started attending the other guy's church.
What is the point? Besides people venting their spleens? Or feeling they have more power over these matters than they really do?
Someone once told me that arguing with a cop is like wrestling with a pig.
Everyone gets dirty, but the pig loves it.
You can replace "cop" with almost anything, but the futility of the argument is obvious.
Whether it is vaccines or taxicab fare, do we really benefit from these extended arguments?
Is it possible we get very excited about these things. Even though we are completely powerless to change outcomes.
Because we have too much time on our hands and not enough face-to-face time with actual people?
Is there any way we could move the "great debate" to some Reddit sub forum?
Elvis 2008
05-09-24, 03:41
Whether or not I should be, I am astonished a group of grown men are on here re-litigating coronavirus vaccines and political conspiracies. I'm pretty sure there are places on the Internet dedicated to this sort of thing. I'm starting to realize that it is more about me because it doesn't really matter what topic I am reading, before long a handful of completely unrelated comments appear. Usually about immigration, vaccinations, or American elections.Knowledge, this debate if you want to call it that started with me and the travel ban in Colombia. Given that everyone is engaging in an illegal and often described immoral activity, I thought the monger world would be ripe for government criticism or at the very least questioning. God, was I wrong. I should have known better after seeing the reaction mongers had when government said they were going to start jailing guys for trafficking. And I saw the reaction, "Oh no, the police would never do that to me" or "I am a law abiding citizen" and then the police arrested everyone.
Just like there is no science to cracking down on mongers, there was none with Covid. It was political will. My thought process with mongers was look at Covid like you do with sex. You are a grown man. Get the facts and make decisions based on those just like you did with seeing hookers. See what is bullshit. See what is not. Minimize your risk but keep living your life and enjoying it. Don't let the government scare the shit out of you with Covid like they did with sex and AIDS.
And I always thought this was not a Democrat Republican issue but a deep state versus citizen one, and the biggest deep state government asshole by far was Fauci. He had already played this game of extreme paranoia with AIDS. Look at this.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-resurfaces-fauci-warning-household-180945365.html
In the context of a conversation about childhood infections, Fauci speculates that "if the close contact of a child is a household contact, perhaps there will be a certain number of cases of individuals who are just living with and in close contact with someone with AIDS, or at risk of AIDS, who does not necessarily have to have intimate sexual contact or share a needle, but just the ordinary close contact that one sees in normal interpersonal relations. ".
And there is video of this in that link.
Do you know what one Democratic douche said about this? Fauci was taken out of context, and I get why. You cannot rationally listen to Fauci on Covid and not on AIDS right? If what Fauci said is true on AIDS, no one should ever be seeing a hooker. So what else can you say outside of Fauci being taken out of context?
This fucker Fauci ruined my sex life in college. And now he was trying to do it again, and I am like not this time asshole. I know how full of shit you are and thought everybody would be with me.
But I did not get the narcissism people have. "Oh, the government would never lie to me. It likes me. " It was like the AIDS lies never happened. And the other part that surprised me was how this known pathological liar would be elevated as this "master scientist" to counter Trump. Any criticism of Fauci or anyone who ran in his circles was perceived to be patting Trump on the back.
In the end, I do not know anyone who did Covid as well as me. Driving empty roads, flying empty planes, staying at empty resorts at a dime on the dollar, fucking women two and three at a time, fucking beauty queens, and I never had such a run of 10's in my life.
But even Huacho who locked himself up for two fucking years is still trying to say how smart he was. Fauci is a known vaccinologist, and he and Gabacho are still marching to Fauci's vaccine tune. They have learned nothing.
And my point was to support Woodman who has seen through all the bulllshit like I have. So I was saying to Woodman. I get all the vaccine injuries. I get the economic waste. I get the tremendous loss of productivity. I get all the new data. I can see all the government lying and censorship too, but understand that the Democratic douches are not going to change their mind even with all that. Covid got rid of Trump so it was worth ANY price to them. The Democratic douches have no regrets about what was done with Covid. None.
But yeah, you are right. That final point has been made, and there is no reason to go on about it.
No minds have been changed.
No one has renounced their "religion" and started attending the other guy's church.
What is the point? Besides people venting their spleens? Or feeling they have more power over these matters than they really do?
Someone once told me that arguing with a cop is like wrestling with a pig.
Everyone gets dirty, but the pig loves it.
You can replace "cop" with almost anything, but the futility of the argument is obvious.
Whether it is vaccines or taxicab fare, do we really benefit from these extended arguments?
Is it possible we get very excited about these things. Even though we are completely powerless to change outcomes.
Because we have too much time on our hands and not enough face-to-face time with actual people?
Is there any way we could move the "great debate" to some Reddit sub forum?No, it's been 3 years, 4 if you want to go to pre-vaccine Covid arguments. Some of the names have changed, but it's the same stuff.
There are 2, maybe 3 contributors on ISG who have the education and background to gave an informed opinion on the subjects. Perhaps 10 more understand the process of debate.
Everyone else subscribes to the belief that any opinion backed up by any complete stranger without the necessary expertise, and confirmed by real or invented anecdotal evidence, is more believable than exhaustive, peer-reviewed research, tested and validated by 80-90% of the world's top specialists in the field.
They are saying there is no demand-- In Other Words-- Big Pharma's Government ScumBags Cannot Force this crap down the publics's throats anymore-- And the clotting and other side effects which are Very Very Rare (LOL) have nothing to do with it-- Calling it Now-- All the Other Crap Vax Shall be discontinued-- But Nothing to do with the Super Rare side effects. -. - RIP My Good Friend Zulema Who Died 5 days after the vax -- he felt sicker and sicker and he died-- But of course I have confirmation bias-.
They are saying there is no demand-- In Other Words-- Big Pharma's Government ScumBags Cannot Force this crap down the publics's throats anymore-- And the clotting and other side effects which are Very Very Rare (LOL) have nothing to do with it-- Calling it Now-- All the Other Crap Vax Shall be discontinued-- But Nothing to do with the Super Rare side effects LOL. -. -.
- RIP My Good Friend Zulema Who Died 5 days after the vax -- he felt sicker and sicker and he died-.
But of course I have confirmation bias-- And All these people would have got sick weather they vaxed or not-- LOL https://www.realnotrare.com/.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0uzpwN3cQ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVBN7fMN5Wk.
Just a word to the wise. The higher end hotels in Medellin, like some other countries, prohibit multiple girls. I learned this the hard way and had to move to a mid-range hotel. Why they give a fuck about who somebody sleeps with is beyond me. I suppose there are families that might raise an eyebrow at a scantily clad sexy chica or multiple chicas but business is business so I thought. After an altercation with the hotel manager I had to transfer. The dumb ass. Rant over.
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But even Huacho who locked himself up for two fucking years is still trying to say how smart he was. Two fucking years my ass, you lying blimp. Oh and it wasn't Fauci that ruined your sex life in college. You keep forgetting that I've met you.
Just a word to the wise. The higher end hotels in Medellin, like some other countries, prohibit multiple girls. I learned this the hard way and had to move to a mid-range hotel. Why they give a fuck about who somebody sleeps with is beyond me. I suppose there are families that might raise an eyebrow at a scantily clad sexy chica or multiple chicas but business is business so I thought. After an altercation with the hotel manager I had to transfer. The dumb ass. Rant over.No worries. Mid range hotels are way more fun and are more of a target rich environment, especially for those who speak Spanish. Employees can be in play at times.
Elvis 2008
05-10-24, 18:46
Two fucking years my ass, you lying blimp. Oh and it wasn't Fauci that ruined your sex life in college. You keep forgetting that I've met you.LOL. I guess we met in college then. What school did I go to? And what was my weight and waist size in college?
Two fucking years my ass, you lying blimp. Oh and it wasn't Fauci that ruined your sex life in college. You keep forgetting that I've met you.Are you saying that Elvis the baby hippo wasn't getting any in college? I have to remind you of something. Elvis never graduated from college, in fact he may have never attended.
Elvis 2008
05-10-24, 19:04
They are saying there is no demand-- In Other Words-- Big Pharma's Government ScumBags Cannot Force this crap down the publics's throats anymore-- And the clotting and other side effects which are Very Very Rare (LOL) have nothing to do with it-- Calling it Now-- All the Other Crap Vax Shall be discontinued-- But Nothing to do with the Super Rare side effects. -. - RIP My Good Friend Zulema Who Died 5 days after the vax -- he felt sicker and sicker and he died-- But of course I have confirmation bias-.Yeah, it is sad. The way they are playing it is the vaccine saved millions and hurt so few people. It is a crock of shit. The vax was never proven to save lives and it hurt millions.
Did you see those CDC stats? 8% of those who got the vaccine had to get medical care or be hospitalized after the vaccine. Another study showed 20% of kids had EKG changes one week after getting the vaccine. And after six months, it did not even work.
The first thing people needed to get is that drug companies and scientists have complete immunity with vaccines. JJBee is talking about these "experts" but what he does not get is these government "experts" pushing the vaccines get a financial cut every time a vaccine is given if they had a hand in helping to make that vaccine, and some of these government guys make six figures a year in vaccine royalties.
So Rand Paul asked about that and who was getting paid and how much to Fauci about the Covid vaxx, and Fauci said to Rand Paul, "I do not have to answer that". Fauci basically said to Paul to fuck off.
When there was talk of vaccinating kids and pregnant women, I was like why? And now I know. It was the money. These "experts" have been lining their pockets with vaccine royalties for decades often off the behinds of children.
No worries. Mid range hotels are way more fun and are more of a target rich environment, especially for those who speak Spanish. Employees can be in play at times.I can confirm that! Maids, most Administrators and restaurant staff are all working women who make minimum wage. Speak Spanish, be respectful, start a conversation with questions about family and then bring up "amistades con beneficios" and Voila!
LOL. I guess we met in college then. What school did I go to? And what was my weight and waist size in college?I met you in Buenos Aires.
I can confirm that! Maids, most Administrators and restaurant staff are all working women who make minimum wage. Speak Spanish, be respectful, start a conversation with questions about family and then bring up "amistades con beneficios" and Voila!If I had a euro for every maid and desk clerk I've fucked in Latin America, I'd have shit maybe 15 euro. I read that the average guy in the Yew Ess fucks seven women in his life. Dunno if that's true because people lie and especially people lie about sex, but that seems consistent with what I've seen in my life. Could that be because they don't try it on enough? Fear of rejection? If I get rejected three times in a day, it was a slow day. I don't know about bringing up "amistades con beneficios" but I say 'Estoy solito esta noche żQuieres cenar conmigo?' If I sense hesitation, I follow with 'sin compromiso.' That has about a 20% success rate, meaning it has about an 80% failure rate. Never be afraid of failure if you want to get laid by civilians.
Yeah, it is sad. The way they are playing it is the vaccine saved millions and hurt so few people. It is a crock of shit. The vax was never proven to save lives https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9537923/#text=Based%20 on%20 reported%20 COVID%E2%80%9019,20. 4)%20 deaths%20 prevented%20 (Fig.
14.4 million prevented.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22) 00320-6/ fulltext.
Also says 14.4 million.
https://healthpolicy.usc.edu/article/covid-vaccine-lives-saved-study/
Says 2.4 million.
https://healthpolicy.usc.edu/article/covid-vaccine-lives-saved-study/
200 k in ten months.
https://healthpolicy.usc.edu/article/covid-vaccine-lives-saved-study/
1. 4 million lives saved in Europe alone.
https://directorsblog.health.azdhs.gov/clear-evidence-that-covid-19-vaccines-and-boosters-are-saving-lives/
This is from Arizona for fuck's sake.
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/who-ecdc-nearly-half-million-lives-saved-covid-19-vaccination
Half a million here.
https://www.nber.org/digest/202205/estimating-lives-saved-covid-vaccines
Right wing site says 'The research finds that vaccinations were very effective in saving lives'.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/how-many-lives-did-covid-vaccines-save-scientists-have-an-estimate-20240417-p5fkge.html
This one's out of Australia so it's unlikely it was a Biden plot.
And so forth and so on and Elvis should hook up with Shaquille O'Neal. They can drive across the Yew Ess and thus prove the world is flat. I mean if the world isn't flat, all the Chinese people would fall off, right, Elvis?
Elvis 2008
05-11-24, 19:11
I met you in Buenos Aires.LOL. You see the name Elvis2008. That was the year I joined here. Last time I was in Buenos Aires was 2007. Of course, I went to college in the 80's, but if we met, you would have known that and my approximate waist size and weight.
Keep getting those vaccines Huacho. They are doing wonders with your health. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8028870/.
Aluminum has been associated with neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's disease (AD).
Looks like you are halfway there.
Did you meet Marilyn Monroe in Buenos Aires too? Sure you did.
Elvis 2008
05-11-24, 21:51
And so forth and so on and Elvis should hook up with Shaquille O'Neal. They can drive across the Yew Ess and thus prove the world is flat. I mean if the world isn't flat, all the Chinese people would fall off, right, Elvis?You still have not learned shit, Huacho. There was not one placebo controlled study showing the vaccines saved lives. The vaccines initially showed that there was a 95% reduction in the cases of a person getting Covid. The death rate in the vaccinated group was higher than placebo.
And when was the number of Covid cases the highest? Around Feb. 2022. What is special about that time? Yeah, that was when Putin invaded Ukraine and the pandemic was wiped off the front pages. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Yeah, that was a great vaccine. You immunize the whole world, get triple the number of cases, and then declare the pandemic over, and dumb asses like you fell for it.
And if vaccinations were about saving lives versus cutting down on the number of cases, then why the fuck would you immunize kids?
And this is where your aluminum soaked brain shows signs of dementia about immunizing kids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj6-QDVYbv8
Yes, by all means, listen to the experts.
Of course, not being a Democratic douche myself, I would say when should you listen to the experts because their fucking story changes all the time: https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1788610144324157555.
The Scarf Lady, Dr. Deborah Birx, now says that thousands of American could be vaccine injured from the mRNA shot and hints that some groups should not have been forced to get the jab.
Just like with Fauci and AIDS though, this has to be edited because it is not on MSNBC right?
And all those people who did not die, which once again the vaccine was never shown to prevent, were shown to have been saved by the vaccine with mathematical models. It is math right? And math is never wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s5DYknp9cc
What happened to that magical mathematically modeled 3. 5% death rate? Maybe you can find that model and explain what went wrong and why these new and improved models are any different than the idiotic ones that said Covid had a 3. 5% death rate.
And just so I can show you I perused that drug company propaganda trash you call science I will quote this, "And third, the confidence engendered by vaccinations may have led individuals and state governments to relax nonpharmaceutical interventions such as masking and social distancing that were designed to prevent virus spread. ".
I could show you studies where social distancing and masks do not work but this gem was in the news today and contains two kings of Democratic douchery, the Cuomo brothers.
So you have the vaccine injured reporter Chris Cuomo now taking Ivermectin and suffering from a Covid vaccine injury. Yes, ivermectin went from horse dewormer to highly effective medication, and the vaccine now is not safe and effective but had horrible side effects.
And then you have ex-governor Anthony claiming mask use was not illegal but voluntary, https://twitter.com/TheMilkBarTV/status/1788482870455234674.
Governor Cuomo never mandated masks or social distancing or vaccines or any of the shit that never worked. Now the POS liar is saying it was all voluntary.
And if you have it in your head still that the vaccines were safe and effective, you can watch this video with a neurologist talking to a newly quadraplegic female patient at the 1:11 mark: https://rumble.com/v4gam8o-canadian-woman-rendered-quadriplegic-by-moderna-jab-is-suing-moderna-viva-f.html.
Do you get it now? Do you get how fucking gullible you are? You douches say to listen to the expert, and my question is not about what anymore but when. But like I said, you are still too fucking stupid to see how much these so called experts are running away from the advice they previously doled out.
How come you are not a quadraplegic Huacho? If the answer is anything other than pure luck, you are a dumb ass.
Go back to the college, fat, and uneducated schtick. They are all fantasies you douches want to believe, but I am not going to bother with proving them wrong.
FFlintstone69
05-12-24, 06:50
I am Lucky I did not end up like tHese Poor People https://www.realnotrare.com/ or the Many dead-- Murdered by Big pharma and fowchi (who should be ended) It would be great if these survivors would take up arms and get Street Justice from those responsible.
Please look past your Clown World Stats-- Have a Great Day.https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/1789311128507392410?cxt=HBwWtIax9be_9NQxAAAA&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email
LOL. You see the name Elvis2008. That was the year I joined here. Last time I was in Buenos Aires was 2007. Of course, I went to college in the 80's, but if we met, you would have known that and my approximate waist size and weight.
Keep getting those vaccines Huacho. They are doing wonders with your health. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8028870/.
Aluminum has been associated with neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's disease (AD).
Looks like you are halfway there.
Did you meet Marilyn Monroe in Buenos Aires too? Sure you did.Did you go to Jackson's mansion in 2007?
If I had a euro for every maid and desk clerk I've fucked in Latin America, I'd have shit maybe 15 euro. I read that the average guy in the Yew Ess fucks seven women in his life. If I get rejected three times in a day, it was a slow day. So who exactly is the obese one here?
They are saying there is no demand-- In Other Words-- Big Pharma's Government ScumBags Cannot Force this crap down the publics's throats anymore-- And the clotting and other side effects which are Very Very Rare (LOL) have nothing to do with it-- Calling it Now-- All the Other Crap Vax Shall be discontinued-- But Nothing to do with the Super Rare side effects. -. - RIP My Good Friend Zulema Who Died 5 days after the vax -- he felt sicker and sicker and he died-- But of course I have confirmation bias-.Yes, you have confirmation bias.
Did you perform an autopsy on your friend? No. Were you present when an autopsy was performed on your friend? No?. Did the pathologist who performed the autopsy explain his findings to you? No? Was an autopsy even performed? Probably not.
You have 2 events: vaccination and death. Other than your opinion, you have nothing to connect those 2 events. Although highly unlikely, your friend could have died as a result of the vaccination. However, that says nothing about the vaccines. Even if it was confirmed as the cause of death that's 1 person. Every day you encounter many people who have received the vaccine, probably 1,000 people every week (people in clubs, people on the streets of Santa Fe, working girls, store clerks, guys you take on tours). After 3 years of vaccination, that's around 150,000 people who didn't die from the vaccine (that you are peripherally aware of) versus 1 who died, without any evidence the vaccine had anything to do with it.
Yet, you ignore 150 k and point to the 1, with nothing to back it up other than a biased opinion. That is confirmation bias.
None of the above says anything about the safety or effectiveness of any of the vaccines. Every vaccine used in millions or billions of people will cause some deaths and some health issues. If you give a billion people a cup of coffee, some will be burned, some will choke, some might die. Same thing if you give 1 billion blowjobs.
The question to be answered is did the vaccine (coffee or blowjob) help more people than it hurt? And until you deal with your confirmation bias, you'll never be able to answer that question, or even hear any answers to that question.
Unfortunately, people almost never give up their confirmation bias. Instead, they cling tighter to it, wandering ever farther away from knowledge in search of anyone who supports their paranoia.
Mr Enternational
05-12-24, 18:01
After 3 years of vaccination, that's around 150,000 people who didn't die from the vaccine (that you are peripherally aware of) versus 1 who died, without any evidence the vaccine had anything to do with it.But doesn't that go both ways? Because someone took the vaccine does not mean that is the reason they did not get sick or did not die after getting sick.
Elvis 2008
05-13-24, 01:30
Unfortunately, people almost never give up their confirmation bias. Instead, they cling tighter to it, wandering ever farther away from knowledge in search of anyone who supports their paranoia. Other than your opinion, you have nothing to connect those 2 events.I said you were the stupidest person on the forum with Covid. We have a new winner. It is not fair to say that you are the most stupid when you were only hurting yourself. But JJBee on the other hand is lecturing on confirmation bias when he suffers from it.
First off, he gets the vaccine and comes down with Covid. Does he say no the vaccine does not work at all? Fuck no. He says it is only 95% effective, and I was one of the 5% the vaccine did not work on. Of course, it was not 95% effective and the cases surged to all time highs, and he still does not gripe about the vaccine and drug companies.
And he lists all these Covid symptoms, spreads Covid, and then claims not to have symptoms all while lecturing about Covid. And he is still lecturing about Covid and the vaccine.
So now there are the vaccine related side effects. I show the video of a woman who came down with a neurological side effect after getting the vaccine. Do you know who also came down with a neurological issue after being vaccinated? That would be the guy literally suffering from confirmation bias JJbee.
You cannot make this shit up.
Elvis 2008
05-13-24, 01:35
So who exactly is the obese one here?He probably would have gotten laid if he had the right shower head.
Elvis 2008
05-13-24, 01:39
Did you go to Jackson's mansion in 2007?Not to that mansion nor the one in Medellin, and I have no fucking clue why you would think I have.
But doesn't that go both ways? Because someone took the vaccine does not mean that is the reason they did not get sick or did not die after getting sick.If you look at an individual case, you are right. They might have luckily happened to avoid exposure, or their immune system was very strong or maybe the vaccine did protect them. You can't tell from one individual case.
BUT when you look at the rate of CoVid among the population as a whole (not just the US but around the world) from first detection to the point where the vaccine was widely available and distributed. You see something that JjBee62 alluded to. The rate of CoVid infections dropped precipitously, and the recovery from CoVid increased noticeably. (I. E. The Death rate dropped). So while 1 individual case doesn't prove anything one way or the other, hundreds of millions of cases around the world show something statistically significant. And that is that the vaccine was effective in lowering the number of new infections and resulted in a much lower rate of CoVid deaths.
BUT when you look at the rate of CoVid among the population as a whole (not just the US but around the world) from first detection to the point where the vaccine was widely available and distributed. You see something that JjBee62 alluded to. The rate of CoVid infections dropped precipitously, and the recovery from CoVid increased noticeably.As I have said already, the problem with your approach is the you assign affect when you have no right to do so. You can only say the outcome of X is bcos fY if you manage to control for all other factors. BUt you can't bcos there were many other factors. Some of them were. Changing COVID virus (different and less deady strain), natural immunity, better medical care, the already dead highly vulerbale people. But yet yoy just assume it was all because of the vax. Look, I am not saying the vax had zero effect. No doubt it helped some people. But nowhere near as many as we are told, and its effect was so transient (as widley predicted by the skeptics), that is was almost a waste of time (as proven by the swift removal of vax mandates).
The stats were highly manipulated and none of the big organisations even looked at the most important stat. The elephant in the room, wihch was death from all causes. And even now, none of them like to look bcos it shows a huge surge in deaths over and above expected mortality, and there is no likely explanation that they want to hear the cause of. Terrible pandemic policies and medical science.
But doesn't that go both ways? Because someone took the vaccine does not mean that is the reason they did not get sick or did not die after getting sick.Now you're getting into statistics. Looked at individually, you're correct. However we have a whole timeline, starting a year before vaccines were available. 1 year after vaccination began, most new cases were people who were vaccinated, but the majority of deaths were unvaxxed. As vaccination spread the difference became greater, and most vaxxed deaths were in the highest risk categories.
Not to that mansion nor the one in Medellin, and I have no fucking clue why you would think I have.Because I met a fat, right wing asshole there who said he posted under the name of Elvis. I think that would have been 2006 though. I can't get into the Argentina forum to check. There was one other poster named Elvis, that I knew, but he was a native speaker of Spanish from Ecuador. So if that was some other fat, right wing asshole named Elvis, I guess that means it's a popular name for fat, right wing assholes, just like the original Elvis.
Elvis 2008
05-13-24, 17:55
Look, I am not saying the vax had zero effect. No doubt it helped some people. But nowhere near as many as we are told, and its effect was so transient (as widley predicted by the skeptics), that is was almost a waste of time (as proven by the swift removal of vax mandates).Exactly right. While Birx, Fauci, and the head of the CDC have been back tracking, the policies laid out in the Great Barrington Declaration have been proven to be correct. Of course, those real scientists who signed off on it were tarred and feathered at the time by politicians masquerading as scientists.
One of the founders of the document was asked about the vaccine and said something to the effect that it was the best and worst thing that could have happened. It was an amazing development for those at risk with Covid and a tragedy for those at low risk for Covid death. That too is exactly right and it flies in the face of the moronic simplicity of pro and antivaxx.
The stats were highly manipulated and none of the big organisations even looked at the most important stat. The elephant in the room, wihch was death from all causes. And even now, none of them like to look bcos it shows a huge surge in deaths over and above expected mortality, and there is no likely explanation that they want to hear the cause of. Terrible pandemic policies and medical science.Again exactly right.
Look at this headline from June 2021:
Acute Transverse Myelitis (ATM): An Unexpectedly Frequent Complication of COVID-19. The team's study of documented pandemic cases found that 43 involved ATM.
This was what was said about the vaccine. Although ATM is a sporadic neurological disorder associated with the COVID-19 pandemic globally, ATM following COVID-19 vaccination is rare.
Then from another paper, there was this. Surprisingly, as of 28th July 2021, there are 77 cases of transverse myelitis following Covid vaccine AZ in the MHRA database.
So 77 is extremely rate but 43 is unexpectedly frequent. It is that kind of bullshit that is maddening.
But ATM is an extreme neurological condition. Study 514559 showed that the Covid vaccine AZ was distributed to sciatic nerves, and the last sample was taken on 29 days post-administration and sciatic nerves of 70% of animals were still tested positive at the end of the study. The vaccine distribution to the sciatic nerves may lead to conditions like sciatica that has been previously linked to other conditions.
And it is these supposedly minor conditions like sciatica that probably added to the higher overall death rate in the vaccinated group. If you ask about muscle aches, nerve pain, or ringing in the ears, you would probably only have to ask three people before you found one that had one of these conditions, and the severity of those conditions vary widely.
And that too is part of the bullshit. I had a minor annoyance, my triceps ached for three days after the shot, but I talked to a Mexican woman with much more severe muscle aches so much so that she had trouble walking for a year after the vaccine and yet both of us would be placed as myalgia under side effects from the vaccine.
Elvis 2008
05-13-24, 18:22
Because I met a fat, right wing asshole there who said he posted under the name of Elvis.I hated GW Bush. I voted for Obama in 2008 and my waist size was 38 back then. THAT is why you think you met me? Are you always this fucking stupid?
I guess that means it's a popular name for fat, right wing assholes, just like the original Elvis.No, you are the asshole. GW Bush cranked up the printing press and handed out money like candy and loved doling out money to warmongers, the exact same stupid things Biden is doing, and the end result will be the same, a totally trashed economy. If you were focused on policies versus identity politics, you would not be so fucking blind.
I said you were the stupidest person on the forum with Covid. We have a new winner. It is not fair to say that you are the most stupid when you were only hurting yourself. But JJBee on the other hand is lecturing on confirmation bias when he suffers from it.
First off, he gets the vaccine and comes down with Covid. Does he say no the vaccine does not work at all? Fuck no. He says it is only 95% effective, and I was one of the 5% the vaccine did not work on. Of course, it was not 95% effective and the cases surged to all time highs, and he still does not gripe about the vaccine and drug companies.
And he lists all these Covid symptoms, spreads Covid, and then claims not to have symptoms all while lecturing about Covid. And he is still lecturing about Covid and the vaccine.
So now there are the vaccine related side effects. I show the video of a woman who came down with a neurological side effect after getting the vaccine. Do you know who also came down with a neurological issue after being vaccinated? That would be the guy literally suffering from confirmation bias JJbee.
You cannot make this shit up.So Wierd how the dickheads in ISG can ignore all the Evidence coming out of the Horrible vax injuries-- and the people who were vax murdered. History Shall vindicate the people who dissented against this crapvax-- Hopefully Justice shall be served on the people like fowchi and the media and bigpharma Scumbags-- Some street justice would be great too-- By the way-- when I met you I did not think you were fat-- just a dad-bod-- These dickheads really hate you here.
As I have said already, the problem with your approach is the you assign affect when you have no right to do so. You can only say the outcome of X is bcos fY if you manage to control for all other factors. BUt you can't bcos there were many other factors. Some of them were. Changing COVID virus (different and less deady strain), natural immunity, better medical care, the already dead highly vulerbale people. But yet yoy just assume it was all because of the vax. Look, I am not saying the vax had zero effect. No doubt it helped some people. But nowhere near as many as we are told, and its effect was so transient (as widley predicted by the skeptics), that is was almost a waste of time (as proven by the swift removal of vax mandates).
The stats were highly manipulated and none of the big organisations even looked at the most important stat. The elephant in the room, wihch was death from all causes. And even now, none of them like to look bcos it shows a huge surge in deaths over and above expected mortality, and there is no likely explanation that they want to hear the cause of. Terrible pandemic policies and medical science.Yeah, yeah. The vaccine wasn't administered world wide under laboratory conditions whereby factors were controlled and isolated. So what? The world was going through a pandemic that hadn't been seen since the "Spanish Flu" (horribly misnamed BTW) which caused as few as 22 million or as many as 50 million. No one is absolutely certain.
So, if JustTK ran the world we would have tested and retested and perfected the vaccine in a perfectly controlled environment and it would probably still be winding its way through the FDA approval process. How many people worldwide would have died in the meantime? For the first year the mortality rate was around 3% of those infected with CoVid. Once the vaccines were produced and distributed worldwide in volume, the death rate declined to less than 1%. Given close to 1 billion reported infections that would be a volume of deaths of 30 million (3%) versus less than 10 million (1%.
Now if you really think it is a cogent argument that the virus mutated (we know it did mutate but was it because the vaccine was stopping the original variant? Or that all the susceptible people had already died. Great, maybe some of the 20 million difference could be attributed to those factors and maybe some other factors as well. But the fact is that the death rate went from 3% down to less than 1%. The expert medical community is largely united in the opinion that the vaccines distributed played a large part in ameliorating the deadly effects of CoVid.
Elvis 2008
05-14-24, 04:05
So, if JustTK ran the world we would have tested and retested and perfected the vaccine in a perfectly controlled environment and it would probably still be winding its way through the FDA approval process. How many people worldwide would have died in the meantime? For the first year the mortality rate was around 3% of those infected with CoVid. Once the vaccines were produced and distributed worldwide in volume, the death rate declined to less than 1%. Given close to 1 billion reported infections that would be a volume of deaths of 30 million (3%) versus less than 10 million (1%.LOL. Man, you really only read what you want to. You are referring to the video I posted and still you do not get it. Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s5DYknp9cc.
Look at this time stamp which was 2:14 mark. The doctor is Dr. Jay Bhattacharya from Stanford. He ran a study in April 2020 before the vaccine became available. In his study, death rate was 0. 2%. He was one of the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration. And the fucking assholes Fauci and Collins went after Bhattacharya and the original two doctors who wrote the GBD.
But the fact is that the death rate went from 3% down to less than 1%. The expert medical community is largely united in the opinion that the vaccines distributed played a large part in ameliorating the deadly effects of CoVid.This is classic Democratic douche behavior. You imagine all the experts are on your side when in fact there were hundreds of doctors who signed off on the Great Barrington Declaration, and thousands if not millions more agreed with it. There was NEVER a 3% death rate.
The only place there was consensus was on MSNBC and that is because Democratic douche outlets censored any doctor who did not tow Fauci's line.
Maybe this time you will actually get the point of the video.
Elvis 2008
05-14-24, 04:35
So Wierd how the dickheads in ISG can ignore all the Evidence coming out of the Horrible vax injuries-- and the people who were vax murdered. History Shall vindicate the people who dissented against this crapvax-- Hopefully Justice shall be served on the people like fowchi and the media and bigpharma Scumbags-- Some street justice would be great too-- By the way-- when I met you I did not think you were fat-- just a dad-bod-- These dickheads really hate you here.Yeah, I just don't get it. Government says do not fuck hookers. Guys say bullshit and fuck hookers. Government says Colombia is dangerous. Guys go to Colombia and mostly have few issues. The same government says hey you need to worry about Covid and they freak out. All I can think is they are comfortable with the Democratic douche consensus where they all tell each other how smart they are and how dumb Republicans are. They really think if you vote Republican you are retarded. They really do.
These dickheads really hate you here.Yeah, you would not believe how many points I have gotten. The worst is Gabacho. That guy takes a swipe at you. You push back, and he runs to the moderators saying, "Wah, he hurt my feelings. " You ever hear the phrase sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me? We are on a fucking monger board, and we got guys acting like the biggest pussies in the world. The generation I am from is if you do something stupid and someone calls you out on it, you accept it, learn from it, and move the fuck on. That is how you grow.
By the way-- when I met you I did not think you were fat-- just a dad-bodI gained some weight with the pandemic and have had a hard time getting it off. Fauci shut down the gyms. Remember that? God was that stupid.
It is amusing to see these guys go on about my weight and education level. None of the guys who have mentioned my weight have ever met me. It is just kind of my own inside joke about how fucking stupid these Medellin morons are. But the moderators never do anything with all those lies and insults. I wonder how many moderators are these same type Medellin morons.
So, if JustTK ran the world we would have tested and retested and perfected the vaccine in a perfectly controlled environment and it would probably still be winding its way through the FDA approval process. How many people worldwide would have died in the meantime? I estimate. About the same as died anyway. The evidence lies in those countries that never got vaccinated bcos the capitalist West was too selfish to share it with poorer countries. Often they had negligible excess deaths during the pandemic, or minor spikes and return to normal, just like heavily vaxd nations. So how do you explain that one?
Here is an analogy for you. Buffalo Bills buy Joe Smith as the new QB after round 10 of the season. They were lying 18th nationwide at that time. By the end of the season, they had climbed to 2nd. His agent is speaking the Bills bosses, explaining how Smith had transformed the season around for the Bills, and how he deserves a huge pay rise. But the Bills bosses point out to the agent. But we bought several other players too, and some players returned from injury, plus we had a new coach, the weather improved (which suited our style play), we had already played all the tough teams so we had an easy run in, and what's more Smith got injured after 2 games and couldn't play again until the final game. So dear agent, come on man. As much as you would like to claim the credit, let's be real here.
The expert medical community is largely united in the opinion that the vaccines distributed played a large part in ameliorating the deadly effects of CoVid.The expert medical community is not largely united. That is another lie that they told us and you swallowed.
They lied about cause and source of C.
They lied about GoF.
They lied about death rates in general.
They lied about death rates across ages.
They lied about social distancing.
They lied about mask wearing.
They lied about mandates.
They lied about Vitd.
They lied about Ivctm.
They lied about HDC.
They lied about natural immunity.
They lied about V tests.
They lied about V efficacy.
They lied about V outcomes.
They lied about deplatforming.
They lied about censoring.
They lied about the science.
They lied following the science.
They lied about the expert medical community being united.
They lied at every single step of the CP. Only a minority of people showed healthy skepticism during the CP, and they were roundly punished, (silenced, fired, deplatformed, ridiculed).
You need to find better sources. It seems you are one of the sheeple that remain convinced that the establishment are not lying to us at every opportunity to further their own aims. And its your belief that facilititates it.
So Wierd how the dickheads in ISG can ignore all the Evidence coming out of the Horrible vax injuries-- and the people who were vax murdered. History Shall vindicate the people who dissented against this crapvax-- Hopefully Justice shall be served on the people like fowchi and the media and bigpharma Scumbags-- Some street justice would be great too-- By the way-- when I met you I did not think you were fat-- just a dad-bod-- These dickheads really hate you here.All of the deaths from vax. They are not happening. Death stats are collected in all countries around the world, and the effect of Covid was clear. Including in the US, but more to the point in all other countries which are independent of all the stuff you talk about influencing the stats in the US. I know in my country we had over 85% of the population vaccinated, many multiple times, and our death rate dropped back to pre-covid levels as deaths from Covid have almost gone away.
The AstraZeneca case points out that even a very small number of deaths that are tied to a vaccine are noticed. If any of what you say were true there should be at least 10's of millions of deaths per year from the vaccines. Now if every country in the world is lying and covering this up. That's a conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of people that would have to participate in such a cover up. Here, where I live the individual hospitals report to the regional health units and numbers get sent up to the provincial level. There would be at least several thousand people that would have to be in on such a cover up. So consider your sources.
I wonder what the death rate would have been if everybody had injected bleach and used really bright lights, as the peerless leader suggested.
I estimate. About the same as died anyway. The evidence lies in those countries that never got vaccinated bcos the capitalist West was too selfish to share it with poorer countries. Often they had negligible excess deaths during the pandemic, or minor spikes and return to normal, just like heavily vaxd nations. So how do you explain that one?
You need to find better sources. It seems you are one of the sheeple that remain convinced that the establishment are not lying to us at every opportunity to further their own aims. And its your belief that facilititates it.Better sources? Like these?
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory-overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/covid-19-medicines/safety-covid-19-vaccines
https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/why-vaccination-is-important-and-the-safest-way-to-protect-yourself/
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety/summary.html
https://www.tga.gov.au/news/covid-19-vaccine-safety-reports/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-16-09-2021
https://www.voicesforvaccines.org/vaccine-information/covid19/
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/vaccines-faq
https://japan.kantei.go.jp/ongoingtopics/vaccine.html#vaccine03.
https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/vaccination
https://africacdc.org/covid-19-vaccination/
Tell me Mr. Sheeple, which country recommends against getting vaccinated for CoVid? Every national health source I find, strongly recommends vaccination. All the highly rated universities recommend vaccination.
I know. I should maybe go over to "Conspiracy Central" where you get your information.
Mr Enternational
05-14-24, 15:30
Now if every country in the world is lying and covering this up. That's a conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of people that would have to participate in such a cover up. Here, where I live the individual hospitals report to the regional health units and numbers get sent up to the provincial level. There would be at least several thousand people that would have to be in on such a cover up. So consider your sources.You would think that, but humans are funny people. Too much of the time there is a go along to get along mentality. And even if someone told the truth who would believe it and moreover who would even care? As JTK pointed out, look what happened to the people that showed skepticism. They were silenced, fired, deplatformed, and ridiculed.
A couple of years ago in my state, a teacher called herself blowing the whistle that the administration at her school did not allow her to give the kids a failing grade. This was nothing new. (School funding is tied to the performance of the students. So brats failing means less money for the school. If a school can control the passing and failing with a stroke of a pen then why would they penalize themselves?) As a matter of fact, when I was teaching 30 years ago this is one of the first things I was told in a totally different district. If you give a kid a failing grade, it will be sent right back to you to change to a passing grade. Speaking of a conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of people, last year alone in my state there were 123,000 teachers. So within the past 30 years there have cumulatively been millions of teachers in the state that had never said anything about it? Yes, it can happen. And I am sure the practice dates back way farther than when I was privy to it. And where is that whistleblowing teacher now? Fucking fired is where she is.
Then you have the facebook owner admitting that there are cases when they are not allowing the truth to be spread. There are over 86,000 facebook employees. Yeah conspiracies do happen between extremely large amounts of people.
You would think that, but humans are funny people. Too much of the time there is a go along to get along mentality. And even if someone told the truth who would believe it and moreover who would even care? As JTK pointed out, look what happened to the people that showed skepticism. They were silenced, fired, deplatformed, and ridiculed.
A couple of years ago in my state, a teacher called herself blowing the whistle that the administration at her school did not allow her to give the kids a failing grade. This was nothing new. (School funding is tied to the performance of the students. So brats failing means less money for the school. If a school can control the passing and failing with a stroke of a pen then why would they penalize themselves?) As a matter of fact, when I was teaching 30 years ago this is one of the first things I was told in a totally different district. If you give a kid a failing grade, it will be sent right back to you to change to a passing grade. Speaking of a conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of people, last year alone in my state there were 123,000 teachers. So within the past 30 years there have cumulatively been millions of teachers in the state that had never said anything about it? Yes, it can happen. And I am sure the practice dates back way farther than when I was privy to it. And where is that whistleblowing teacher now? Fucking fired is where she is.
Then you have the facebook owner admitting that there are cases when they are not allowing the truth to be spread. There are over 86,000 facebook employees. Yeah conspiracies do happen between extremely large amounts of people.The example is hardly comparable. I think everyone knows that it is hard for teachers to fail students for all the reasons you mentioned. When this is common knowledge it doesn't really require any conspiracy of silence. I don't know a teacher that has been silent about that. But a conspiracy to either not report deaths or over report deaths from a particular thing is a whole different level. Most or all health care workers I know, doctors, nurses, and others, do actually care about people's health and especially about trying to save lives. When there are problems with drugs, unforeseen side effects, the get reported even when they are quite rare, as in the case with the AstraZeneca vaccine, which many hundreds of millions of people had it does get reported. If the problem only happens once in a hundred thousand for example, sometimes it takes a while to be sure of the cause-effect relationship, but with a big enough sample size eventually it can be proven with a sufficient level of certainty. If it is as bad as the anti-vaxxers say there should be millions of people dying mysteriously and it is just not happening. So covering up millions of deaths takes a much more unlikely conspiracy.
AmorPorFavor
05-14-24, 17:49
The example is hardly comparable. I think everyone knows that it is hard for teachers to fail students for all the reasons you mentioned. When this is common knowledge it doesn't really require any conspiracy of silence. I don't know a teacher that has been silent about that. But a conspiracy to either not report deaths or over report deaths from a particular thing is a whole different level. Most or all health care workers I know, doctors, nurses, and others, do actually care about people's health and especially about trying to save lives. When there are problems with drugs, unforeseen side effects, the get reported even when they are quite rare, as in the case with the AstraZeneca vaccine, which many hundreds of millions of people had it does get reported. If the problem only happens once in a hundred thousand for example, sometimes it takes a while to be sure of the cause-effect relationship, but with a big enough sample size eventually it can be proven with a sufficient level of certainty. If it is as bad as the anti-vaxxers say there should be millions of people dying mysteriously and it is just not happening. So covering up millions of deaths takes a much more unlikely conspiracy.I hope that all the anti vaxxers never take another vaccine especially when the next pandemic hits. Its called thinning the herd.
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It is amusing to see these guys go on about my weight and education level. None of the guys who have mentioned my weight have ever met me. It is just kind of my own inside joke about how fucking stupid these Medellin morons are. But the moderators never do anything with all those lies and insults. I wonder how many moderators are these same type Medellin morons.Leftist LibTards Always Get Personal-- they are the Most Hateful People I have Ever met-- They are Disgusting people-- How many libTurds people have cut you off because of politics? Me, many-- just so nasty-- And a Whole other level with Donald J Trump our 47th President.
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It is amusing to see these guys go on about my weight and education level. None of the guys who have mentioned my weight have ever met me. It is just kind of my own inside joke about how fucking stupid these Medellin morons are. But the moderators never do anything with all those lies and insults. I wonder how many moderators are these same type Medellin morons.Leftist LibTards Always Get Personal-- they are the Most Hateful People I have Ever met-- They are Disgusting people-- How many libTurds people have cut you off because of politics? Me, many-- just so nasty-- like my cousin who said I was mentally ill and so many others with TDS. And a Whole other level with Donald J Trump our 47th President.
Mr Enternational
05-14-24, 22:40
I hope that all the anti vaxxers never take another vaccine especially when the next pandemic hits. Its called thinning the herd.No matter how many times people say they are not against vaccination, but this vaccination in particular, they are taunted and labeled this way. I do not recall anyone in this thread saying they were against vaccinations in order for them to be called anti vaxxers. But throw it to see if it sticks.
You would think that, but humans are funny people. And even if someone told the truth who would believe it and moreover who would even care? As JTK pointed out, look what happened to the people that showed skepticism. They were silenced, fired, deplatformed, and ridiculed.
You are just listing a load of establishment websites, all parroting the same stats. I could give you 100's more that do the same. But it does nothing to validate your point bcos my point is that dissenting voices are being shut down (smeared, ridiculed, deplatformed, fired, access to social media accounts denied, accounts buried from searches, de-monitised, denied access to ads, denied access to financial institutions, lots of other tactics). Anyone who doesn't see that is walking around with their eyes closed.
Often it was right wingers such as Alex Jones, Jordan Peterson, Steven Crowder. Some would say good riddance, but it is only a matter of time before they come for you, bcos they are not just against right wingers, they are against anyone that does not support their actions and views. They ruined the businesses of many scientists and doctors that stood against COVID policy – everyone involved in the Barrignton Declaration, Robert Malone, Brett Weinstein, and anyone that is left of them too, such as Glenn Greenwald, Jackson Hinkle, even Unherd – one of my fave independent news and discussion channels was hit by put on the red list of MDI – a "Disinformation' red alert list bcos they interviewed some TERFs. Now they are blocked from advertising revenue and have their channel views suppressed. NYT was caught instructing its journalists not to use "genocide", "occupied territories", "refugee camps", even "Palestine" in their articles. And always to refer to Hamas as "terrorists". USA GOVT recently also caught lying that it supported Palestinian statehood. The Tik Tok saga is just another example of a strategy to deny access to a platform that the USA Govt can't control. The list in endless. The establishment and mainstream media control what you hear and it is getting much worse every year. There is no conspiracy about that. You need to abandon it to hear the truth.
Elvis 2008
05-15-24, 16:51
You would think that, but humans are funny people. Too much of the time there is a go along to get along mentality. And even if someone told the truth who would believe it and moreover who would even care? As JTK pointed out, look what happened to the people that showed skepticism. They were silenced, fired, deplatformed, and ridiculed.
As a matter of fact, when I was teaching 30 years ago this is one of the first things I was told in a totally different district. If you give a kid a failing grade, it will be sent right back to you to change to a passing grade. Speaking of a conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of people, last year alone in my state there were 123,000 teachers.Yeah, it is easy to get thousands to fall in line when you control them with money. The reason Fauci was the highest paid government worker was he sucked up to the defense and pharma industries. He knew he could get power by scaring the shit out of people like he did with AIDS. He also was completely in control of the federal research budget so if you were a researcher and you bucked him, you got no money. Then he was the genius scientist that was used to make Trump look stupid in comparison. So Democratic douches who made fun of Trump and bleach made excuses for Fauci "the brilliant scientist" when he flip flopped on masks.
And you have the emails showing censorship of alternate points of view and you have the emails of Fauci calling for taking down the writers of the Great Barrington Declaration. The conspiracy is right there for anyone to see if they open their eyes. And everyone freaked out over a virus with a known 0.2% mortality rate that mutated into something even less potent than that.
Elvis 2008
05-15-24, 16:57
Leftist LibTards Always Get Personal-- they are the Most Hateful People I have Ever met-- They are Disgusting people-- How many libTurds people have cut you off because of politics? Me, many-- just so nasty-- like my cousin who said I was mentally ill and so many others with TDS. And a Whole other level with Donald J Trump our 47th President.Yeah, you used to be able to understand why people voted like they did. Now being a Democratic douche is part of their identity. If you are 80 and scared that Republicans are going to cut social security and Medicare, I get why you vote Democrat. But if you are a business owner sick of regulations and high taxes and vote Republican, well, you are just a fucking moron.
The interesting thing is they did a poll of party affiliation on marriage and sex. There were more Republicans in every group (married men and women, single men) but one. That one was single moms. It is why the Democrats push for a nanny state, and a state where government takes up the role of father.
Elvis 2008
05-15-24, 17:21
I hope that all the anti vaxxers never take another vaccine especially when the next pandemic hits. Its called thinning the herd.The people who got the Covid vaccine were more likely to die. That is what the science showed. The math models showing Covid saved lives are about as accurate as the ones on global warming. AOC said we were all going to die because of that in 2031, and the global warming nuts fly around in private jets and buy places on the beach at the same time they talk about the oceans swallowing up cities.
And YOU need to get educated on vaccines. Mumps, Rubella, HPV, Hepatits A, chicken pox ETC do not kill people but they are routinely given to children. Vaccines are poisons themselves to elicit an immune response and when they did not elicit enough of an immune response the poisonous elements of mercury were added. Mercury freaked people out so drug companies took that out and added aluminum, which is just as poisonous, but is more PC.
So you may label me antivaxx but really it is dummies like you who paint everyone with a simplistic brush. Do YOU understand the difference between polio / tetanus and chicken pox?
And there was a doctor in Oregon who began noticing how much healthier his unvaccinated patients were. It was so obvious to him that he quit recommending vaccines all together. Of course, his state medical board came after him big time. Drug companies were making too much off vaccines for them not to come after him, so the doctor hired an outside agency to audit his charts, and this is what they found.
Be careful. If you watch this six minute video, you will never take another vaccine again.
https://rumble.com/v106rmt-stunning-dr.-paul-thomas-blows-up-the-conventional-vaccine-narrativeincredi.html
Yeah, it is amazing what happens when you do not inject poison into the body.
And yeah, gee, I wonder why this is not on youtube. LOL.
And the state medical board did get the license of this doctor, Dr. Paul Thomas at the behest of the drug companies. If you know how medicine really works, this would be expected.
AmorPorFavor
05-15-24, 23:16
No matter how many times people say they are not against vaccination, but this vaccination in particular, they are taunted and labeled this way. I do not recall anyone in this thread saying they were against vaccinations in order for them to be called anti vaxxers. But throw it to see if it sticks.MRNA vaccines are the future. The next pandemic and many other viruses will be attacked using them. Do me a favor and don't take the shot when that time comes ok?
The interesting thing is they did a poll of party affiliation on marriage and sex. There were more Republicans in every group (married men and women, single men) but one. That one was single moms. I'm just flat out calling bullshit on your poll. Let's see it.
Mr Enternational
05-16-24, 01:22
MRNA vaccines are the future. The next pandemic and many other viruses will be attacked using them. Do me a favor and don't take the shot when that time comes ok?You mean the same as I did not take the last one and did not get sick or anything either? It has been 35 years since I have taken any vaccines. That is when I joined the military. So I do not see myself taking any in the foreseeable future. Thanks for the advice though doc.
MRNA vaccines are the future. The next pandemic and many other viruses will be attacked using them. Do me a favor and don't take the shot when that time comes ok?No kidding! One of the most outspoken critics of the vaccine (at least on ISG) was first in line to get the CoVid vaccination. Right Elvis?
Elvis 2008
05-16-24, 20:38
No kidding! One of the most outspoken critics of the vaccine (at least on ISG) was first in line to get the CoVid vaccination. Right Elvis?I got the jab twice. The first was by choice when the vaccine effectively prevented a person from getting Covid.
The second was ten months later when the vaccine did not work and was mandated for travel.
I guess your little brain does not understand the difference between the words voluntary and mandate or the words effective and not effective. All it can handle is provaxx and antivaxx.
Maybe your brain is as alcohol and aluminum soaked as Huacho's is.
AmorPorFavor
05-16-24, 20:54
You mean the same as I did not take the last one and did not get sick or anything either? It has been 35 years since I have taken any vaccines. That is when I joined the military. So I do not see myself taking any in the foreseeable future. Thanks for the advice though doc.The science is real, even if you can't understand it.
Elvis 2008
05-16-24, 20:58
You mean the same as I did not take the last one and did not get sick or anything either? It has been 35 years since I have taken any vaccines. That is when I joined the military. So I do not see myself taking any in the foreseeable future.Just like military guys have a different perspective on prostitution and foreigners if they have traveled abroad, a lot of the smarter guys in the military are questioning vaccines too.
If vaccines were looked at for what they are, poisons you are trying to get your body used to, instead of as a measure that lowers your immediate risk of disease, the military might be the place for people to get more rational. As it stands now, I was talking to one military man, and the new recruits were just pounded them with vaccines their first day. The military assured the recruits the vaccines were safe, but the next day they had a slew of doctors around checking for side effects. He wondered to himself and later said to me, "Hey, if these vaccines are so safe, why were there so many doctors around the next day?
There was controversy with the MMR vaccine, and there was an autism doctor I knew who questioned it. He was not anti-vaccine but he said why are you packaging three diseases (measles, mumps, rubella) at one time. No one gets all three of those diseases at once in real life. Why don't you split it up? It makes perfect sense if you look at vaccines as mimicking nature and if you look at vaccines as poison you are trying to get used to. I suspect they are lumped together because of money.
The military is one group that could stand up to the drug companies. It would be interesting to see if some general allowed for his soldiers to opt out of getting vaccines and study which group was healthier, the vaxxed or unvaxxed.
After looking at the data from that doctor Paul Thomas, I would suspect the people not getting massive doses of poison all at once would be healthier.
Mr Enternational
05-16-24, 23:39
The science is real, even if you can't understand it.Didn't Bayer say the same thing when they started selling heroin over the counter to treat coughs and headaches? Didn't the universe used to revolve around the earth? Science is always real until it is proven to be dead wrong.
AmorPorFavor
05-17-24, 19:45
Didn't Bayer say the same thing when they started selling heroin over the counter to treat coughs and headaches? Didn't the universe used to revolve around the earth? Science is always real until it is proven to be dead wrong.Science has progressed a little bit since the 16th century yet some people still believe the earth is flat.
Elvis 2008
05-17-24, 20:45
Science has progressed a little bit since the 16th century yet some people still believe the earth is flat.https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110345
In an ongoing, placebo-controlled, observer-blinded, multinational, pivotal efficacy trial, we randomly assigned 44,165 participants 16 years of age or older and 2264 participants 12 to 15 years of age to receive two 30-956;g doses, at 21 days apart, of BNT162 b2 or placebo.
Reactogenicity events among the participants who were not in the reactogenicity subgroup were reported as adverse events, which resulted in imbalances between the BNT162 b2 group and the placebo group with respect to adverse events (30% vs. 14% related adverse events (24% vs. 6% and severe adverse events (1. 2% vs. 0. 7% New adverse events attributable to BNT162 b2 that were not previously identified in earlier reports included decreased appetite, lethargy, asthenia, malaise, night sweats, and hyperhidrosis. Few participants had serious adverse events or adverse events that led to trial withdrawal.
During the blinded, placebo-controlled period, 15 participants in the BNT162 b2 group and 14 in the placebo group died; during the open-label period, 3 participants in the BNT162 b2 group and 2 in the original placebo group who received BNT162 b2 after unblinding died. None of these deaths were considered to be related to BNT162 b2 by the investigators.
Then there was this study from 9 months earlier.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577
The incidence of serious adverse events was low and was similar in the vaccine and placebo groups.
LOL Whoops!
And this was the line that got the vaccine approved: A two-dose regimen of BNT162 b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19 in persons 16 years of age or older.
The science is real, even if you can't understand it.Yeah, this is such a Democratic douche thing to say by someone who thinks he is super smart because he reads the Times and watches MSNBC. If you told me that mRNA vaccines are the future because of politics, the media, and that people particularly Democratic douches still think of them as wonder drugs that saved millions of lives, we totally agree, but you mentioned science when you meant "science" and when I say "science", I mean political science based on feeling and not data.
Because any sane person who looks at the data and the projections made when the vaccines came out knows the vaccine is / was a fucking joke. Without the 3.5% death rate hysteria made up to get Trump out of office, these vaccines NEVER would have been approved nor should they have been.
And before you say the vaccines "worked" against Covid, keep in mind the all time high number of Covid cases by far were in Spring 2022 one year after the vaccines were made widely available. The boosters were made available because the vaccines were not working.
Elvis 2008
05-17-24, 21:08
Science has progressed a little bit since the 16th century yet some people still believe the earth is flat.Heroin was widely available, legal and marketed in the USA in the late 19th not 16th century.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110345
In an ongoing, placebo-controlled, observer-blinded, multinational, pivotal efficacy trial, we randomly assigned 44,165 participants 16 years of age or older and 2264 participants 12 to 15 years of age to receive two 30-956;g doses, at 21 days apart, of BNT162 b2 or placebo.
And before you say the vaccines "worked" against Covid, keep in mind the all time high number of Covid cases by far were in Spring 2022 one year after the vaccines were made widely available. The boosters were made available because the vaccines were not working.More and more data comes out regularly to support the Skeptics position, but it is supressed, ridiculed and ignored by the establishment bcos it is inconvenient and often points at erronous, criminal and negligent actions. That's how the establishment does it. That's what I have been talking about here for so long. Unfortunately the establishment is very powerful and relies on sheeple ignorance for them to get away with it. The sheeples with their eyes closed will just smear skeptics like Elvis w adhoms bocs it's all they have got. Sure, Elvis is wrong about many things, but not about covid. Attack the argument, not the man.
Didn't Bayer say the same thing when they started selling heroin over the counter to treat coughs and headaches? Didn't the universe used to revolve around the earth? Science is always real until it is proven to be dead wrong.You're confusing beliefs with science.
Science is never "dead wrong (explanationat end). " Scientists can be dead wrong, but that's extremely rare. Most often, when a scientist turns out to be dead wrong it's because they falsified data for their own benefit. Take Andrew Wakefield for a relevant example.
In order for science to be accepted as valid (based on the data currently available) it has to be repeatable and observable by other scientists, the peer review process. Most of the "science" which is supposedly being suppressed won't be submitted for peer review and is only published in fringe publications which don't require peer review.
Putting it in golf terms, in any tournament play, each golfer scores his own round, but his card must be reviewed by his opponent. Any errors result in penalties. Now imagine a tournament, 72 players. At the end of the round, 71 players had their card reviewed by someone they played with. All good. However, number 72 refused to let anyone check his card and claimed to have shot 20 under par for the round. He's disqualified, canceled, suppressed and it's all big golf trying to control the world, and not a guy cheating at golf.
Science is a constant attempt to find better answers, not right answers, better answers. Opium probably works quite well on headaches, heroin is derived from opium, as is morphine. Now we have aspirin, ibuprofen, acetaminophen and others to provide better answers for headaches. We've also found better answers to using leeches or fire to remove evil from a person.
All those planes you fly on, science did that. Your car, your guns, your food and the bed you sleep on all brought to you by science.
I think we can all agree on one point. No one is going to change their mind.
Anti-covid vaccine believers think the other side are idiots and mindless sheep.
Covid vaccine believers think the other side are idiots and uneducated.
You can go back and forth but it accomplishes nothing. Isn't there better things to do?
Mr Enternational
05-18-24, 13:20
You're confusing beliefs with science.Not at all. You do not think many beliefs of yesteryear were based on the science of that day? So people just threw leaches on each other because they believed it would do something? No. The science of that day was enough to prove it would do what they were saying. The same as some science of today is enough to prove some things that will be discredited in years to come. One day Pluto is a planet and the next day it is not. Pluto has not changed in billions of years, but science has.
I got the jab twice. The first was by choice when the vaccine effectively prevented a person from getting Covid.
The second was ten months later when the vaccine did not work and was mandated for travel.
I guess your little brain does not understand the difference between the words voluntary and mandate or the words effective and not effective. All it can handle is provaxx and antivaxx.
Maybe your brain is as alcohol and aluminum soaked as Huacho's is.I am delighted to be among the group (with Huacho) who have a brai. Not surprisingly, you are conspicuously absent from that group.
I think we can all agree on one point. No one is going to change their mind.
Anti-covid vaccine believers think the other side are idiots and mindless sheep.
Covid vaccine believers think the other side are idiots and uneducated.
You can go back and forth but it accomplishes nothing. Isn't there better things to do?OK, OK let me see if I can explain it to you.
1. This is the "Stuipid Shit in Medellin" forum. If you can't abide by mindless banter, then by all means, feel free to leave.
2. "Isn't there better THINGS to do? Since "things" is plural, you should have used "Aren't instead of Isn't".
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