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TheDerilious
07-26-24, 03:22
Have you considered that is only because it is the only reasonable choice?;That's kinda the point, right? Why are we harping on boats and ferries when you acquiesce that certain modes of transportation (e. G. Flying) are easily the most reasonable for most people? For international travel, flying is pretty much the only reasonable choice for one reason; time saved. Boats, driving, and trains are all "generally" slower for any trip longer than 4 hours, especially when crossing a body of water. The whole point that has made by many people in this thread over and over again is that flying is the defacto mode of transportation for international trips for "most" people because it's advantages outweigh all of the negatives. This exhibits a major point; Flying is, tangibly, a better quality choice for "most" people in "most" international situations. To tie this back to the main context of the thread, "travel is travel" or "pussy is pussy" is a foolish argument that ignores that certain options are tangibly better than others. Everything isn't some sort of randomized crapshoot where paying bottom dollar to ride in the back of a pickup for 6000 miles is equivalent to taking an economy flight from NYC to Medellin. Busting a nut with a 60 year old crackhead isn't, on average, going to be the same quality as 7/10 25 year old.
What do you think would have happened if MB admitted that he did not know about the boat and agree with the perspective of the 2%? Well, then the previous pages of discussions regarding Medellin taxis and buses wouldn't have happened and his response afterward would have been different. Seems we are still ignoring the major context of the thread to harp on a narrow point that has already been conceded.
Elections in Venezuela today that might end the 25 year Maduro socialist regime and bring quite a big changes to the country. If economic situation improves and hope returns to the people many might consider coming back home.
Elections in Venezuela today that might end the 25 year Maduro socialist regime and bring quite a big changes to the country. If economic situation improves and hope returns to the people many might consider coming back home.It would be one of the biggest shocks in world politics if the result was not already predetermined and even if not, that Maduro would relinquish power.
Elections in Venezuela today that might end the 25 year Maduro socialist regime and bring quite a big changes to the country. If economic situation improves and hope returns to the people many might consider coming back home.If you believe Maduro will lose I have a bridge in San Francisco I can give you a good deal on.
MongerHunger
07-28-24, 18:11
Elections in Venezuela today that might end the 25 year Maduro socialist regime and bring quite a big changes to the country. If economic situation improves and hope returns to the people many might consider coming back home.That's called a Pipe Dream.
Mr Enternational
07-28-24, 21:02
If you believe Maduro will lose I have a bridge in San Francisco I can give you a good deal on.And I know one from Colombia to Venezuela that he can cross for free.
That's kinda the point, right? .The short answer is no, The two cases here are. 1. not able to admit mistake, 2. Not able to put oneself in someone's shoes.
TheDerilious
07-29-24, 13:50
The short answer is no, The two cases here are. 1. not able to admit mistake, 2. Not able to put oneself in someone's shoes.1. he admitted the mistake and refocused the topic to the generalization he was making previously. Some, including yourself, have continued to harp on the point.
2. Generalizations don't deny the existence of edge cases, they simply state that the best way to handle a situation is to resolve it for the majority and then think about the edge cases. It's how human society has lived since the dawn of time. We didn't ban peanuts because a small percentage of the population has allergies.
I'll leave it at this because I didn't want to turn this into me trying to white knight someone else, I was simply annoyed that the broader topic was being ignored and even dismissed because of a small mistake that had nothing to do with the generalization that was being made. If your assertion is that you simply spent multiple posts to make him admit that his ferry example was wrong, but that his overall point (which I agree with) is correct, then there is nothing more to say.
Yep-- Those elections shall Be Free and Fair!! If you believe Maduro will lose I have a bridge in San Francisco I can give you a good deal on.USAns make me laugh when they ridicule the elections of other countries. What does free and fair mean? Like in the USA where the only electable parties are those that have been bought off by the ruling elites, where the only options are 2 senile old men whose pensions have expired, that sponsor a genocide of women and children in exchange for millions in personal funding. Yep, that sounds like free and fair.
USAns make me laugh when they ridicule the elections of other countries. What does free and fair mean? Like in the USA where the only electable parties are those that have been bought off by the ruling elites, where the only options are 2 senile old men whose pensions have expired, that sponsor a genocide of women and children in exchange for millions in personal funding. Yep, that sounds like free and fair.Yeah, right. Apparently you don't get the news in whatever sanatarium in which you currently reside, that one of the two old senile white men, dropped his bid for the US Presidency and has been replaced (pending convention confirmation) by a woman of Indian and Jamaican descent.
As for Venezuela, last night the vote count showed the opposition (Edmundo Gonzales) was leading by almost 2 to 1. Yet oddly enough this morning the electoral authority declared Maduro had won with 51% of the vote. Meanwhile almost every Latin American country is calling for a verification of the voting results. So, JustTK-space cadet, it isn't the US that is questioning the results of the Venezuelan "election" it is almost every country in the Western hemisphere.
USAns make me laugh when they ridicule the elections of other countries. What does free and fair mean? Like in the USA where the only electable parties are those that have been bought off by the ruling elites, where the only options are 2 senile old men whose pensions have expired, that sponsor a genocide of women and children in exchange for millions in personal funding. Yep, that sounds like free and fair.You are keeping it 100! Don't worry, the USA will put itself in the historical garbage bin soon enough. Its influence in the world is slowly fading as they descend into a the coming hot civil war.
Colombia should give USA two middle fingers up, legalize cocaine and tell the USA to clean up its own house before commenting on others.
Yeah, right. Apparently you don't get the news in whatever sanatarium in which you currently reside, that one of the two old senile white men, dropped his bid for the US Presidency and has been replaced (pending convention confirmation) by a woman of Indian and Jamaican descent.Who give a fuck about her descent. Didn't some in the USA give a speech for having a dream about being judged by the content of their character? They put a cap in his ass for saying that shit by the way.
As for Venezuela, last night the vote count showed the opposition (Edmundo Gonzales) was leading by almost 2 to 1. Yet oddly enough this morning the electoral authority declared Maduro had won with 51% of the vote. Meanwhile almost every Latin American country is calling for a verification of the voting results. So, JustTK-space cadet, it isn't the US that is questioning the results of the Venezuelan "election" it is almost every country in the Western hemisphere.When individuals begin with the ad hominem attacks it usually means that they are intellectually bankrupt. No need to meet them in court.
Ok, so the government of the Western Hemisphere is calling out the results of the Venezuelan election. Then what? How about you call out into one hand and shit in the other and see which one comes up first. You want a government to put boot on the ground to fix what you perceive is clearly an internal matter of the Venezuelan people.
USAns make me laugh when they ridicule the elections of other countries. What does free and fair mean? Like in the USA where the only electable parties are those that have been bought off by the ruling elites, where the only options are 2 senile old men whose pensions have expired, that sponsor a genocide of women and children in exchange for millions in personal funding. Yep, that sounds like free and fair.Yep-- Venezuelan election is in the process of Being Stolen and USA 2020 was Stolen-- Dementia Biden was installed -- The CIA and other deepstate scumbags have been running the USA and pushed us into Ukraine war funding. They did Not want DJT -- - But Most of the American People Do-- Hence the Current Battle -.
They Tried to villify, imprison and finally Assassinate Trump and Failed-- Who Knows what will happen now as the CIA run the media except for X-.
Gentleman you left out the biggest steal in USA electoral history. The Election of the 43rd President of the United States of America for his first term. It was from that moment on that the United States of America lost any moral high ground when it comes to commenting on the democratic process in other nations.
Gentleman you left out the biggest steal in USA electoral history. The Election of the 43rd President of the United States of America for his first term. It was from that moment on that the United States of America lost any moral high ground when it comes to commenting on the democratic process in other nations.Apparently you haven't every been near a history book. Why is that not surprising?
No the 2000 Election wasn't stolen it was disputed. Why wasn't it stolen? Because the Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision stopped the count in Florida. Nobody knows for sure how it would have ended. I supported Gore and would have preferred his victory but putting partisanship aside no one knows with certainty who won.
BUT if you want to point at elections that were stolen there are 2 real examples. The 1960 election between Kennedy and Nixon was definitely stolen. Illinois decided that election and it is clearly documented that Mayor Daley of Chicago put his thumb and his foot and probably his fat ass on the scale to tip the election to Kennedy.
Also the 1876 election saw the famous compromise where the candidate with the lesser electoral votes was awarded the presidency. Rutherford Hayes became president even though Samuel Tilden had garnered more electoral votes. Again this was corruption at its finest.
It is fine that you have uninformed opinions, SubHuman, just spend a few minutes checking. Or perhaps you belong the Elvis school of facts. If you say it, it must be true, despite the absurdity.
Elvis 2008
07-31-24, 17:35
It is fine that you have uninformed opinions, SubHuman, just spend a few minutes checking. Or perhaps you belong the Elvis school of facts. If you say it, it must be true, despite the absurdity.Throwing me in with SC? Sorry, that guys is full of himself. He is not promoting truth like I am but himself. GWB won even after the NYT went back and looked at all the votes. It was by the slimmest of margins but even they said he won.
Congrats on getting the rigged elections right. You can toss in LBJ winning the Texas senate race by cheating back in 1948. We may not have had the Vietnam war fiasco if not for that.
As for my rewriting history, you are such a douche. You cannot admit you were wrong about Covid. Hell, you will deny your positions just like you denied telling your friends Medellin was a safe town and then your friends got mugged. What is next? I never said masks worked, Covid did not come from a lab, the death rate was 3+%, or the vaccines were safe and effective? LOL.
And now you knew about Biden's health the whole time too right? LOL.
It is too bad our sides actually agreed about what would happen with Maduro. There was a rare moment of unity and like usual, you had to go fuck it up.
TheDerilious
07-31-24, 18:47
Yep-- Venezuelan election is in the process of Being Stolen and USA 2020 was Stolen-- Dementia Biden was installed -- The CIA and other deepstate scumbags have been running the USA and pushed us into Ukraine war funding. They did Not want DJT -- - But Most of the American People Do-- Hence the Current Battle -.
They Tried to villify, imprison and finally Assassinate Trump and Failed-- Who Knows what will happen now as the CIA run the media except for X-.LOL, I wish I could live in this world of delusions. The CIA and deepstate are so all-powerful that they can rig an election and control all of our media but they couldn't gun down a fat, old man? Is the secret service somehow immune from the deepstate? If they were this all-powerful, one of the secret service guys would have just shot him in the pile up and blamed the shooter. Or better yet, they would have Epsteined him, like your buddy Trump and Barr did. Being a conspiracy theorist is so fun because you can draw connections to whatever you want and ignore all of the other stuff that shows how stupid you are.
You have as much evidence as the guys who claim that the whole shooting was an inside job by Trump to boost his numbers based on the fact that he was fist-pumping like a moron in the middle of active shooting and that the shooter was a Trump supporter.
Apparently you haven't every been near a history book. Why is that not surprising?My statements are based in the use of language and law, not history.
I will put my education background up against yours any day of the week. You start off your first sentence with the logical fallacy of the ad hominem attack. You end your post calling names. Similar to your hero Elvis.
Let's start with the basics: definitions of the English language (an area that you appear to be weak on).
Opinion: a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge..
It is fine that you have uninformed opinions, SubHuman, Do you speak English Villainy if you do read the definition above. No such thing as an uninformed opinion due to the very nature of WHAT an opinion actually is. This is an example what happens when you write with the point of throwing insults instead of making a logical argument. Do you understand that now that you have read the definition for yourself?
Fact: a thing that is known or proved to be true.
Have you ever actually read the text of the Constitution of the United States of America?
Article 1; Section. 4. of the Constitution of the United States of America says the following:
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof
The Supreme Court held no jurisdiction in this matter and as such should have declined to rule on the case of the 2000 election. It was a matter strictly for the Florida court system. The Supreme Court of the United States of America effectively decided who would be the next head of the the executive branch of government. The judges stole the election from the people of the United States of America. (opinion).
How you like me now ya *****!
Elvis 2008
07-31-24, 19:53
LOL, I wish I could live in this world of delusions.Yeah, I know. It is so hard being the rational one. I mean, you said that Democratic voters would have their votes tossed in the trash when it came to who was the Democratic nominee right? You were screaming from the rooftops at the media that it was wrong that in the primaries Biden's name was the only one on the ballots in several states, and it was wrong for RFK JR to be sued and excluded from Democratic primaries right? I mean, you can show us all where you posted that. Democratic voters picked Joe Biden not the deep state right?
And you were making fun of the media when they said Biden was fit as a fiddle? And the line that this was the best Joe Biden ever too? When the media was pumping up Biden's health, you were in reality and putting them down right?
I mean the Democratic process of hijacking the nominee who got the most votes was not done right? The voter was respected. After saying only God could make him quit, Biden voluntarily quit. It was not like he was threatened with the 25th Amendment by insiders who pulled a coup right? That would be too disrespectful to those who voted for Biden.
To those of us not in Fantasy Land like you, we have already seen one deep state coup. And if you are going to mock conspiracy theory, stating one like Barr and Trump killed Epstein shows me you suffer from the delusion of Trump Derangement Syndrome and the conspiracy theories that follow from that.
For the Trump assassination, if you are rational, you are left with two possibilities: absolutely frightening near beyond belief incompetence by the Biden run secret service or a skilled but botched assassination attempt from the deep state.
I live by the phrase: do not assume conspiracy when incompetence will do, but I get where Woodman is coming from. Every day, something comes out and the circumstantial evidence of the deep state plot goes up and the incompetence is getting to the point of being beyond belief.
I am not sure if the assassination attempt was a deep state plot, but I am not going to make fun of anyone who believes it. The smell of shit with this tragedy is overwhelming.
TheDerilious
08-01-24, 03:48
Yeah, I know. It is so hard being the rational one. I mean, you said that Democratic voters would have their votes tossed in the trash when it came to who was the Democratic nominee right? You were screaming from the rooftops at the media that it was wrong that in the primaries Biden's name was the only one on the ballots in several states, and it was wrong for RFK JR to be sued and excluded from Democratic primaries right? I mean, you can show us all where you posted that. Democratic voters picked Joe Biden not the deep state right?
And you were making fun of the media when they said Biden was fit as a fiddle? And the line that this was the best Joe Biden ever too? When the media was pumping up Biden's health, you were in reality and putting them down right?You assume that because I don't worship Trumpian fantasies that I'm a democrat, but you don't see that it only shows how far gone you are. The democratic party is also trash in many ways, a deeply entrenched network of old windbags grasping to power. They have worked tooth and nail to quell real populist movements, but that has nothing to do with buying into baseless conspiracies made by right-wing hacks who do the same thing, only worse when they get a modicum of power.
To those of us not in Fantasy Land like you, we have already seen one deep state coup. And if you are going to mock conspiracy theory, stating one like Barr and Trump killed Epstein shows me you suffer from the delusion of Trump Derangement Syndrome and the conspiracy theories that follow from that.No, you just proved my point. I bring up a conspiracy theory that has tons more "logical evidence" attached to it and you immediately dismiss it. It's all bunk but you believe the one that Saint Trump tells you while you ignore the one that indicts him. Just so you understand; Trump is friends with Epstein and has credible rape allegations that tie him Epstein. Epstein gets arrested in high profile bust. Epstein gets killed to keep him quiet / avoid larger trial. This is more "logical" than, Deepstate orders hit on Trump where the 2 most likely outcomes are. Actual civil war by disgruntled Trump nuthuggers or massive voter turnout that is galvanized by his death and votes for his chosen successor (like his son). In both examples, the deep-state loses control. Worse yet, if the deep-state successfully stole the election last time, why wouldn't they just do it again? The Trump nuthuggers proved themselves to be ineffectual last time in mounting a resistance and all Trump did was run away with tail between his legs, crying like a baby about how unfair it was.
For the Trump assassination, if you are rational, you are left with two possibilities: absolutely frightening near beyond belief incompetence by the Biden run secret service or a skilled but botched assassination attempt from the deep state.You forgot option 3) Trump false flagged the event to get votes. The dude had a headshot and "missed" because Trump moved his head at the "perfect time"? Trump is then allowed to randomly stand up and fist pump rather than leave by crawling on the floor in case of other shooters. His secret service agents (more than 5 of them) let him get up and then are literally unable to push a fat, old man off the stage as they leave him exposed to additional, potential shooters (and perfectly placed photographers which would be coincidental, of course).
You forgot option 4) The shooter is anti-deepstate because Trump, as proven by his first term, is a deep-state agent. He did nothing to damage the deep state apparatus and actually only empowered it by pushing establishment judges, supporting every international strongman, and was the defense industry's wet dream. The deep-state won again by having their chosen Republican plant continue in deep-state sponsored duopoly since they clearly allowed him to live for the past 4 years rather than get rid of him way beforehand to prop up a new candidate.
You even forgot option 5) The shooter took advantage of a local protection mishap to get lucky and take advantage of bad federal / local LEO communication. The constant campaign trail events, especially in open air events add more danger and can lead to oversights which should highlight just dangerous it is. Assassination attempts, while rare, are not unheard of and there has been a massive uptick mass shooting events where determined shooters can find their own opportunity. We are never alerted to failed attempts so a 99.9% success rate in stopping assassination attempts means nothing to people even if it would be considered very successful in any other field. Even the best security units are not perfect and this is another example of how dangerous high-powered guns can be.
I live by the phrase: do not assume conspiracy when incompetence will do, but I get where Woodman is coming from. Every day, something comes out and the circumstantial evidence of the deep state plot goes up and the incompetence is getting to the point of being beyond belief.I live by the phrase: use your brain and pull your head out of your ass. If the deepstate really wanted to kill Trump, why wouldn't they pull a Kobe Bryant? By this, I mean; gun down his private jet and use their complete media control to make up a story about a drunk pilot, fog, or Hamas or something like that. They could easily poison him in his home and say he died of heart failure. They could hang him and then plant child porn on his computers to discredit him. All of these seem logistically easier and leave a much smaller footprint. A sniper attack would only galvanize his supporters and leave evidence in a crowd of hundreds during a nationally-televised event. It doesn't pass the smell test and this reeks of Trump worshipers looking for boogeyman to fuel their deepstate fever dreams.
I am not sure if the assassination attempt was a deep state plot, but I am not going to make fun of anyone who believes it. The smell of shit with this tragedy is overwhelming.No, you're just going to feign centrism while believing and promoting the conspiracy theory. What a principled stand, my friend.
Elvis 2008
08-01-24, 06:19
You assume that because I don't worship Trumpian fantasies that I'm a democrat, but you don't see that it only shows how far gone you are. The democratic party is also trash in many ways, a deeply entrenched network of old windbags grasping to power. They have worked tooth and nail to quell real populist movements, but that has nothing to do with buying into baseless conspiracies made by right-wing hacks who do the same thing, only worse when they get a modicum of power.
No, you just proved my point. I bring up a conspiracy theory that has tons more "logical evidence" attached to it and you immediately dismiss it. It's all bunk but you believe the one that Saint Trump tells you while you ignore the one that indicts him. Just so you understand; Trump is friends with Epstein and has credible rape allegations that tie him Epstein. Epstein gets arrested in high profile bust. Epstein gets killed to keep him quiet / avoid larger trial. This is more "logical" than, Deepstate orders hit on Trump where the 2 most likely outcomes are. Actual civil war by disgruntled Trump nuthuggers or massive voter turnout that is galvanized by his death and votes for his chosen successor (like his son). In both examples, the deep-state loses control. Worse yet, if the deep-state successfully stole the election last time, why wouldn't they just do it again? The Trump nuthuggers proved themselves to be ineffectual last time in mounting a resistance and all Trump did was run away with tail between his legs, crying like a baby about how unfair it was.
You forgot option 3) Trump false flagged the event to get votes. The dude had a headshot and "missed" because Trump moved his head at the "perfect time"? Trump is then allowed to randomly stand up and fist pump rather than leave by crawling on the floor in case of other shooters. His secret service agents (more than 5 of them) let him get up and then are literally unable to push a fat, old man off the stage as they leave him exposed to additional, potential shooters (and perfectly placed photographers which would be coincidental, of course).
You forgot option 4) The shooter is anti-deepstate because Trump, as proven by his first term, is a deep-state agent. He did nothing to damage the deep state apparatus and actually only empowered it by pushing establishment judges, supporting every international strongman, and was the defense industry's wet dream. The deep-state won again by having their chosen Republican plant continue in deep-state sponsored duopoly since they clearly allowed him to live for the past 4 years rather than get rid of him way beforehand to prop up a new candidate.
You even forgot option 5) The shooter took advantage of a local protection mishap to get lucky and take advantage of bad federal / local LEO communication. The constant campaign trail events, especially in open air events add more danger and can lead to oversights which should highlight just dangerous it is. Assassination attempts, while rare, are not unheard of and there has been a massive uptick mass shooting events where determined shooters can find their own opportunity. We are never alerted to failed attempts so a 99.9% success rate in stopping assassination attempts means nothing to people even if it would be considered very successful in any other field. Even the best security units are not perfect and this is another example of how dangerous high-powered guns can be.
I live by the phrase: use your brain and pull your head out of your ass. If the deepstate really wanted to kill Trump, why wouldn't they pull a Kobe Bryant? By this, I mean; gun down his private jet and use their complete media control to make up a story about a drunk pilot, fog, or Hamas or something like that. They could easily poison him in his home and say he died of heart failure. They could hang him and then plant child porn on his computers to discredit him. All of these seem logistically easier and leave a much smaller footprint. A sniper attack would only galvanize his supporters and leave evidence in a crowd of hundreds during a nationally-televised event. It doesn't pass the smell test and this reeks of Trump worshipers looking for boogeyman to fuel their deepstate fever dreams.
No, you're just going to feign centrism while believing and promoting the conspiracy theory. What a principled stand, my friend.Trump killed Epstein? Kobe Bryant killed by the Deep State? False Flag? Say what?
Maybe you are onto something with the false flag. I think Woodman was banging Melania and wanted the Donald out of the way. He had a remote device that was destroyed when the shooter was killed and it was he and not the 20 year old who was shooting at Trump. Admit it Woodman. Your Republican support was all a front! You sold us all out for a piece of prime Eastern European ass.
"Gentleman you left out the biggest steal in USA electoral history. The Election of the 43rd President of the United States of America for his first term. " The 43rd president only served one term. That was Dubya.
See how you people are?
For the Trump assassinationMuch easier to Monday morning quarter back than to actually sit in the pocket and make the throw even when you know you are going to take a hit.
Throwing me in with SC? Sorry, that guys is full of himself. He is not promoting truth like I am but himself.Can you tell me exactly what truth you are promoting? Because I've read a lot of your posts and the only thing I have seen you promote is the idea that you are better than everyone else because you source your prostitutes online and pay them more. You a trick just like everyone else up in here. Sugar babies are just prostitutes that look for their clients online and have different marketing plans.
On the political front your opinions are no more valid than anyone else's. But you think that you can shout down others or just ignore them when they make good points. You do that with me also because you cannot go toe -to-toe with me intellectually.
I have addressed the election of the 43rd President of the United States by going back to first principles. Deal with it!
TheDerilious
08-01-24, 18:00
Trump killed Epstein? Kobe Bryant killed by the Deep State? False Flag? Say what?
Maybe you are onto something with the false flag. I think Woodman was banging Melania and wanted the Donald out of the way. He had a remote device that was destroyed when the shooter was killed and it was he and not the 20 year old who was shooting at Trump. Admit it Woodman. Your Republican support was all a front! You sold us all out for a piece of prime Eastern European ass.I'll go slow this time. I don't believe in any of those conspiracy theories, they are all ridiculous. Your trump conspiracy theories (e. G. Stolen election and deep state assassination attempt) are the most farcical of the bunch; the 2020 election was the most vetted election in history and no evidence was found outside of a few cases of Republicans illegally voting twice and yet you keep pushing it because the orange man still whines about it. The deep state assassination conspiracy makes no logical sense since it appears by all metrics to run counter to the theoretical aims of a deep state (they would be pro-Trump).
You're incredulous about conspiracy theories you don't like and even poke fun at me mentioning them as examples (not reality) but get mad when I have fun with my own since apparently (as you said) it's "mean" to criticize morons spouting stupid conspiracies.
Mr Enternational
08-01-24, 20:03
the 2020 election was the most vetted election in history and no evidence was found outside of a few cases of Republicans illegally voting twice Was this one of them?
Elvis 2008
08-01-24, 22:48
I'll go slow this time. the 2020 election was the most vetted election in historyYou make this definitive statements time and again. You do not understand the facts underlining the theory of why the 2020 election was stolen.
How many votes were needed to have been changed from Biden to Trump for Trump to have won? How many ballots had only Biden listed on them and no other votes (like for Senate, Congress ETC)? Who got more votes from blacks, Obama in 2016 or Biden in 2020? The court cases were dismissed because of what reason, there was no evidence of cheating or the people bringing the suits lacked standing? Do you know what lacks standing means? In Georgia, Trump sued and by law his case was required to be heard. What happened?
Be honest. You do not know the answer to ANY of those questions.
The deep state assassination conspiracy makes no logical sense since it appears by all metrics to run counter to the theoretical aims of a deep state (they would be pro-Trump).True of False: the deep state had no role in the Russiagate and Ukrainegate impeachments? For your statement to be true, that answer in both cases would have to be no.
Are you done with your mental masturbation yet?
The court cases were dismissed because of what reason, there was no evidence of cheating or the people bringing the suits lacked standing? Lack: the state of being without or not having enough of something..
Do you know what lacks standing means? In law, standing or locus standi is a condition that a party seeking a legal remedy must show they have, by demonstrating to the court, sufficient connection to and harm from the law or action challenged to support that party's participation in the case.
In Georgia, Trump sued and by law his case was required to be heard. What happened? Be honest. You do not know the answer to ANY of those questions. Trump had standing that means his case was heard.
Elvis engaging in Ad hominem Attacks? Check; Elvis engaging in pedantic behavior? Check; Standard Playbook from Elvis: Check;.
I live by the phrase: do not assume conspiracy when incompetence will do, but I get where Woodman is coming from. Every day, something comes out and the circumstantial evidence of the deep state plot goes up and the incompetence is getting to the point of being beyond belief.
I prefer to employ "when do you know when the USA Govt is lying to you? When it's mouth is moving. ".
You won't go far off track if you follow that line.
I prefer to employ "when do you know when the USA Govt is lying to you? When it's mouth is moving. ".
You won't go far off track if you follow that line.Have you ever even been there?
How you like me now ya *****!I think you are in love with yourself. Which is a good thing, at least somebody is!
My statements are based in the use of language and law, not history.So you say. Law is largely predicated on history.
I will put my education background up against yours any day of the week.That is an ego boast which only leads to silly arguments. For example, let's say you attended Harvard or Oxford or Cambridge and the other person attended Middle Redneck State University.
You drank and partied and achieved "gentleman C's". The other person was a diligent student, studied prodigiously and graduated with a body of knowledge that dwarfed what you achieved.
You might argue your "superior" educational background. But, in fact, your education was marginal at best compared to the student who attended the lackluster university. So, to put it succinctly, it is an argument that cannot be won on substance.
Let's start with the basics: definitions of the English language (an area that you appear to be weak on).
Opinion: a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge..This demonstrates your inability to reason. So, in your opinion all opinions are indistinguishable. They might or might not be based on facts or substance. So there is no distinction between those based on science, facts, knowledge, experience and those based on whim.
This is why almost every rational person distinguishes opinions based on verifiable data but not provable as "informed opinions" and others as "uninformed opinions" or some other adjective indicating a lack of underlying substance.
Have you ever actually read the text of the Constitution of the United States of America?
Article 1; Section. 4. of the Constitution of the United States of America says the following:
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof
The Supreme Court held no jurisdiction in this matter and as such should have declined to rule on the case of the 2000 election. It was a matter strictly for the Florida court system. The Supreme Court of the United States of America effectively decided who would be the next head of the the executive branch of government. The judges stole the election from the people of the United States of America. (opinion).
Well, I guess you are not familiar with the law after all. The disputed Florida election fell within the bounds of a automatic recount. Ballots that were machine rejected were being counted manually. There was a prescribed time limit for the recount but the amount of work was enormous. The Bush campaign sued to end the recount and the Gore campaign countersued to continue the manual recount. The case reached the Supreme Court of Florida which ruled that the recount was to continue. All in accordance with the law.
Here is where you fall off the wagon. The Bush campaign appealed to the US Supreme Court and the case was heard there. (The majority of cases appealed to the US Supreme Court are denied certiorari). But this case, upon which a Presidential election hung in the balance, was heard and a 5-4 party line decision ended the count with Bush leading by a few hundred votes.
So, again was that election stolen? I don't see any rational basis for saying it was. (and if I may repeat, I was a Gore voter). I think it is appropriate to say that election was disputed. I also gave you two examples of presidential elections that were stolen. In those two elections it is easy to identify a bad actor or bad actors who inarguably changed the result of the election.
So now you can look up the distinction between a "disputed election" and a "stolen election".
TheDerilious
08-02-24, 15:32
Was this one of them?https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2024/06/27/ex-chattanooga-police-chief-celest-murphy-faces-17-count-indictment/74229822007/
https://newschannel9.com/news/local/chattanooga-police-chief-resigns-amid-tbi-investigation
What are you talking about? That case has nothing to do with the election at all. She was indicted due to her illegally claiming homestead exemptions on her taxes by lying about her living situation (claiming to live in Tenn and Georgia at the same time to get tax breaks on both sides). Did you not read the article? I'm sorry to be mean here, but I don't understand why you even posted this since it has literally no connection and implies no correlation to the election. So either you're being bad faith, or you're illiterate.
The main point of contention appears to be centered around tax evasion and perjury in a time period after the election - "It also says Murphy concealed the fact and evidence of said crime during the period between July 1, 2022 and March 27,2024. ".
TheDerilious
08-02-24, 16:01
You make this definitive statements time and again. You do not understand the facts underlining the theory of why the 2020 election was stolen.
How many votes were needed to have been changed from Biden to Trump for Trump to have won? How many ballots had only Biden listed on them and no other votes (like for Senate, Congress ETC)? Who got more votes from blacks, Obama in 2016 or Biden in 2020? The court cases were dismissed because of what reason, there was no evidence of cheating or the people bringing the suits lacked standing? Do you know what lacks standing means? In Georgia, Trump sued and by law his case was required to be heard. What happened?
Be honest. You do not know the answer to ANY of those questions.I do know the answers, because the courts (state, federal, and even the conservative Supreme Court) have opined on it. Trump and his crew submitted over 50 cases across the country and in both conservative and liberal areas. Most all cases were dismissed due to lack of standing (no evidence to even begin proceedings). The ones that went to trial were all rejected. Appeals were rejected. Those rejections were appealed to the Supreme Court and they concurred. Trump elected a 1/3 of the SC and you're telling me they are deep state now? If we are being pedantic, the only actual result (legally) of these cases was that some of Trump's own shithead lawyers getting sued, convicted, and disbarred because of gross negligence.
True of False: the deep state had no role in the Russiagate and Ukrainegate impeachments? For your statement to be true, that answer in both cases would have to be no.
Are you done with your mental masturbation yet?Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Trump and his orbiters got convicted based on crimes they committed. No different than Clinton getting impeached for lying about a BJ. The problem here is that you don't understand what the "deep state" is. The deep state is not shadow group of villains who are running the country illuminati-style. They are simply entrenched political interests that peddle in influence (e. G. AIPAC for hardline pro-Israel, defense contractors for military spending, IC for American hegemony). Trump has support in most of those industries. The pro-Israel lobby, for example, has pushed massive "deep-state" influence for him. The IC community is the other way because he weakens American hegemony and makes America weak (Trump is anti-NATO, pro-Chinese dominance in Asia). You know nothing about the government but you still act like you understand even a fraction of it because the orange man whined about some things.
Mr Enternational
08-02-24, 17:08
What are you talking about? That case has nothing to do with the election at all. She was indicted due to her illegally claiming homestead exemptions on her taxes by lying about her living situation (claiming to live in Tenn and Georgia at the same time to get tax breaks on both sides). Did you not read the article? I'm sorry to be mean here, but I don't understand why you even posted this since it has literally no connection and implies no correlation to the election. So either you're being bad faith, or you're illiterate.
The main point of contention appears to be centered around tax evasion and perjury in a time period after the election - "It also says Murphy concealed the fact and evidence of said crime during the period between July 1, 2022 and March 27,2024. ".Maybe you are illiterate. I merely asked if she was one of the people since she had been found to be registered to vote in two places. Or are you saying that she would not be capable of such despite the fact?
"the Hamilton County Grand Jury returned a 17-count indictment, charging Murphy with one count of illegal voter registration, one count of false entries on official registration or election documents, three counts of false entries in governmental records, three counts of forgery, three counts of perjury, and six counts of official misconduct. "
Have you ever even been there?To where, the White House? No. But its not necessary Huacho. These days we have TV and can watch it without going there. We can listen to the press secretary.
Thought you might like to listen to this take on US history, in the form of a rap song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1hloB-kU5k
At night, how do you sleep?
Thought you might like to listen to this take on US history, in the form of a rap song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1hloB-kU5k
At night, how do you sleep?On a mattress from mattress firm. Jajajaja.
Sorry I couldn't resist.
I am a peace with myself and all others
I think you are in love with yourself. Which is a good thing, at least somebody is!Ad hominem logical fallacy #1.
That is an ego boast which only leads to silly arguments. Ad hominem logical fallacy #2.
This demonstrates your inability to reason. Ad hominem logical fallacy #3.
Here is where you fall off the wagon. The Bush campaign appealed to the US Supreme Court and the case was heard there. (The majority of cases appealed to the US Supreme Court are denied certiorari). But this case, upon which a Presidential election hung in the balance, was heard and a 5-4 party line decision ended the count with Bush leading by a few hundred votes.The US Supreme Court had no jurisdiction to rule on the "disputed election" (according to the Constitution of the United States of America which I quoted to you but you chose to ignore because it represents a inconvenient fact for you to deal with). The case was improperly heard. The US Supreme Court violated the separation of powers principle. By doing so and awarding the Presidency to Bush, they stole the election from the voters of America. Because the US Supreme Court decided who the next leader of the Executive Branch of Government would be.
In reality, there was no reason not to wait until the STATE of Florida finished the recount. How many months after the election is the inauguration held? Change of government should be done in a week. The time frames in the Constitution were based on the current state of communication and transportation technology at the time that it was written. No reason for the delay. CEO's take over companies with WAY less notice than the President Elect has to make a transition in government.
This should answer you question of my knowledge of history or if I can read a book I never challenged your education or intellectual ability. I simply presented another opinion. You disagree. Grown men can do that. Intelligent ones can do that without insulting others.
So now you can look up the distinction between a "disputed election" and a "stolen election.No need as the election was both "disputed" and "stolen".
(I was a Gore voter).Completely irrelevant to our current discussion (opinion).
Can it be noted that no matter what you say, the matter has been decided and is in the history books. It cannot be reversed. What you are doing is arguing with my opinion on the matter. I have already given you a definition of the word "opinion". If you choose to define it in a way that suits you that is fine with me. If you like it then I love it. But your argument that there are better opinions than others completely goes against what the definition of an opinion is. Thus it is your opinion. LOL!
Words have meaning. In order to communicate we must agree (up to a point) to the meaning of words. If a a green traffic light means go and a red traffic light means stop. As a driver you cannot redefine the meaning of red and green to suit your personal desires. At least you can't do it without the possibility of some terrible results if you take the wheel on the road with other drivers.
So much for my inability to reason. By the way my GPA in college was 3. 7. Yes, Ivy League university. But my real education occurred after I graduated. University only teaches you how to learn. If you check actual real world results, some the the biggest companies in the United States of America were started by individuals who were "see" students or dropped out of college. Holla!
The founders of the United States of America set up the court system in such away that there is a final arbiter of legal opinion within. But it is based within the construct of the Constitution of the United States of America. As a young man I had to take an oath to "defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic". So before I did, I decided to read it again. I purchased a pocket copy from the United States Archives. I carried that copy of the Constitution with me for my entire time I was "under oath". You will be surprised at the lack of knowledge my fellow Americans have about this first principles document on which the government of that country is based. I pulled it out and used the direct wording from the The Constitution of the United States of America several times while I was working in order to inform others about first principles that they needed to stay aware of.
I asked you if you have ever read the Constitution of the United States of America before (not counting grade school or School House Rock). You did not give me an answer. In case you haven't I have included link to the episode about the Constitution in case you would like to brush up on it. LOL! In addition to that google is available.
https://youtu.be/RnVmIrAiQB8?si=29RVYCiTPZtW-KrG
Lastly, I suggest that you seek the assistance of a medical health professional or if you cannot afford it some self help books to help your your self esteem issues. When my brain gets cloudy a good threesome with a couple of orgasms takes the edge off. No reason to hate on those of us who are comfortable in our own skin and have no problem expressing ourselves as grown men.
Oh he took the rock straight to the hoop and dunked in his mother fucking face. Damn that shit was nasty!
To where, the White House? No. But its not necessary Huacho. These days we have TV and can watch it without going there. We can listen to the press secretary.No, have you ever been to the United States of America? Because you talk a lot of shit and I don't think you've ever been there, in which case you should maybe shut the fuck up.
No, have you ever been to the United States of America? Because you talk a lot of shit and I don't think you've ever been there, in which case you should maybe shut the fuck up.Having on-the-ground experience of the USA is not necessary to form an opinion on the veracity of claims made by the USA Govt. As I said, most of the world has TV and internet these days. Or is it that your concerned that I might be listening to AI?
More interesting is why you feel you need to defend anything the USA Govt does? Its track record is second to none in terms of abhorent behaviour so why would you want to defend that Huacho?
Ad hominem logical fallacy #1.
Ad hominem logical fallacy #2.
Ad hominem logical fallacy #3.
Maybe so, but are they factual?
The US Supreme Court had no jurisdiction to rule on the "disputed election" (according to the Constitution of the United States of America which I quoted to you but you chose to ignore because it represents a inconvenient fact for you to deal with). The case was improperly heard. The US Supreme Court violated the separation of powers principle. By doing so and awarding the Presidency to Bush, they stole the election from the voters of America. Because the US Supreme Court decided who the next leader of the Executive Branch of Government would be.That is your opinion and is simply not true. You can clothe your argument however you like, the constitution did indeed (and still does) allow the Court to hear state cases that have a federal nexus. It goes without saying that an election to determine the President of the United States indeed has a federal nexus. Another fact that you like to overlook is that 7 of the 9 justices agreed to hear the case.
In reality, there was no reason not to wait until the STATE of Florida finished the recount. How many months after the election is the inauguration held? Change of government should be done in a week. The time frames in the Constitution were based on the current state of communication and transportation technology at the time that it was written. No reason for the delay. CEO's take over companies with WAY less notice than the President Elect has to make a transition in government.Not exactly right on the history or the recitation of facts. The Florida law required a determinative result long before the inauguration. This in fact became the central issue. Whether or not the manual recount could be completed by the safe harbor date.
No need as the election was both "disputed" and "stolen".I don't agree. I say "disputed" is a fact, "stolen" is an opinion.
The founders of the United States of America set up the court system in such away that there is a final arbiter of legal opinion within. But it is based within the construct of the Constitution of the United States of America. As a young man I had to take an oath to "defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic". So before I did, I decided to read it again. I purchased a pocket copy from the United States Archives. I carried that copy of the Constitution with me for my entire time I was "under oath". You will be surprised at the lack of knowledge my fellow Americans have about this first principles document on which the government of that country is based. I pulled it out and used the direct wording from the The Constitution of the United States of America several times while I was working in order to inform others about first principles that they needed to stay aware of.
I asked you if you have ever read the Constitution of the United States of America before (not counting grade school or School House Rock). You did not give me an answer. In case you haven't I have included link to the episode about the Constitution in case you would like to brush up on it. LOL! In addition to that google is available.I attended high-school in a small town, and did not attend a highly touted prepatory school. We were required to take two years of Civics and one of those classes was devoted exclusively to the Constitution. So yes, like most people my age, our secondary school education required taking a class (or 2 at my school) in Civics and the Constitution was a central topic of study. Oddly enough, in my university classes (both bachelor's and master's) no Civics classes were required.
Nil Admirari
08-04-24, 00:59
........ The US Supreme Court violated the separation of powers principle. By doing so and awarding the Presidency to Bush, they stole the election from the voters of America. Because the US Supreme Court decided who the next leader of the Executive Branch of Government would be......In reality, there was no reason not to wait until the STATE of Florida finished the recount.
FYI, Subsequent to the the Supreme Court decision, a consortium of newspapers (led by the New York Times and Washington Post) examined the uncounted ballots and concluded that Bush would have won EVEN IF the Supreme Court had never intervened and the manual recount as ordered by the Florida Court (and desired by Gore supporters) had been allowed to proceed. See: https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-overview-study-disputed-florida-ballots-finds-justices-did-not.html.
Like Villainy, I voted for Gore, while accepting that Bush squeaked out a legit victory. Save your venom for Ralph Nader.
TheDerilious
08-04-24, 02:47
Maybe you are illiterate. I merely asked if she was one of the people since she had been found to be registered to vote in two places. Or are you saying that she would not be capable of such despite the fact?
"the Hamilton County Grand Jury returned a 17-count indictment, charging Murphy with one count of illegal voter registration, one count of false entries on official registration or election documents, three counts of false entries in governmental records, three counts of forgery, three counts of perjury, and six counts of official misconduct. "The indictment, which I linked, says multiple times, "On or about July 1, 2022, Murphy did (crimes)". Please correct me if I'm wrong Mr. E since I must be illiterate and clearly unable to do math, but 2022 is after the election of November 2020, right? She was clearly trying out the new and super intelligent strategy of stealing an election after it happened. Mr. E, you and Mrs. Murphy here must truly be some giga-brain strategists and I bow to the combined brain cell you two have conjured up here. But to be good faith, I couldn't find out how long she was doing it for but it seems that neither the indictment nor the evidence presented point to a nefarious attempt to steal the election since nothing before 2022 is even referenced which is weird since I'm sure they would have added that in if the evidence was solid. It literally all seems to point a tax evasion scam to have two residences be counted as a primary residence and the votes were helping her "establish plausible evidence" of said residence. As a final note, the indictment doesn't even define that she voted illegally, only that she illegally registered to vote, but I am working under the assumption that she actually voted to be good faith.
Your game is pretty easy to understand, though I'm sure you'll feign ignorance (trust me, you don't have feign it). You "merely" asked a leading question with an obvious response for uneducated and lazy readers to draw a conclusion; Democrat woman votes twice so clearly the election was tainted. Otherwise, there was no reason to post it since not even the articles themselves are asserting any relationship to the election.
You've done this before (very recently) so I'll amend the statement to help you before you drill down on hyper-literal stupidity only meant to obfuscate the point (e. G. You find one case of a democrat cheating so therefore my statement on the election not being stolen is bunk) . The 2020 election was the most vetted election in history and there was no meaningful evidence found that could have meaningfully changed the election result. There has been recorded evidence of voting fraud, but the numbers are minuscule, unrelated to actually desiring to change the election result, and / or have shown no organizational backing behind them (Soros, Dominion voting, Tea Party, whatever).
Just to note, here is just one case of Republican hypocrisy where the Trump nuthuggers got caught doing the thing they claimed the other side was doing. In essence, there appears to be a much larger percent of Trump supporters that engaged in voter fraud in 2020 as opposed to liberals and some political analysts have posited that this is because of the allegations that Trump was making before the election. Essentially, he was telling them that the election was rigged and so they took it upon themselves to cheat for him. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/georgia-republican-party-official-voted-illegally-nine-judge-rules-rcna145563.
FYI, Subsequent to the the Supreme Court decision, a consortium of newspapers (led by the New York Times and Washington Post) examined the uncounted ballots and concluded that Bush would have won EVEN IF the Supreme Court had never intervened and the manual recount as ordered by the Florida Court (and desired by Gore supporters) had been allowed to proceed. See: https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-overview-study-disputed-florida-ballots-finds-justices-did-not.html.The Supreme Court ruling was improper and lowered the respect for the United States of America around the world in Democratic Circles. Gave further proof of hypocrisy of the government of the United States of America to autocratic ones.
Like Villainy, I voted for Gore, while accepting that Bush squeaked out a legit victory.I don't give a fuck who either of you voted for. It is irrelevant to the conversation. What is relevant is what is says in the Constitution of the United States of America. I have already made reference to the section in question in a previous post. Read it!
Save your venom for Ralph Nader.Go fuck yourself. Or better yet get a chica to fuck you. Save your bullshit for the toilet. I have no interest in reading it.
Having on-the-ground experience of the USA is not necessary to form an opinion on the veracity of claims made by the USA Govt. As I said, most of the world has TV and internet these days. Or is it that your concerned that I might be listening to AI?
More interesting is why you feel you need to defend anything the USA Govt does? Its track record is second to none in terms of abhorent behaviour so why would you want to defend that Huacho?Yeah, Venezuela, El Salvador, Russia, Hungary, Afghanistan, etc. All much worse. Sure buddy. Care to tell us where you're from so we can compare? My guess is Scandinavia somewhere.
Nil Admirari
08-04-24, 15:28
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Go fuck yourself. Or better yet get a chica to fuck you. Save your bullshit for the toilet. I have no interest in reading it.
Hombre, respira hondo y reljate. And get a good massage. I can recommend Happy Massage, a bit pricey but worth it. https://happymasajes.com/.
And hopefully one day in your travels you'll arrive in a place where guys of good will can respectfully disagree with one another.
Hombre, respira hondo y reljate. And get a good massage. I can recommend Happy Massage, a bit pricey but worth it. https://happymasajes.com/.Thank you for you concern about my physical and mental health hombre mio. Although I prefer profanity laden prose Nil Admirari, since you obviously you came late to the discussion I'll speak to you in the Kings English or if you would prefer Spanish I can do that too. Let me bring the following to your attention because you missed this:
Apparently you haven't every been near a history book. Why is that not surprising?
It is fine that you have uninformed opinions, SubHuman, just spend a few minutes checking. Or perhaps you belong the Elvis school of facts. If you say it, it must be true, despite the absurdity.
And hopefully one day in your travels you'll arrive in a place where guys of good will can respectfully disagree with one another.I respectfully submit that it is not I that needs to seek a destination of peace and good will among men.
I am at peace with myself and all others
But before you start your value signaling to me again RtMFSsiM (Read the Mother Fucking Stupid shit in Medellin) thread completely next time please before responding to one of my posts.
Gracias!
Yeah, Venezuela, El Salvador, Russia, Hungary, Afghanistan, etc. All much worse. Sure buddy. Care to tell us where you're from so we can compare? My guess is Scandinavia somewhere.I would have guessed Great Britain, he has that air of unwarranted superiority about him.
Yeah, Venezuela, El Salvador, Russia, Hungary, Afghanistan, etc. All much worse. Sure buddy. Care to tell us where you're from so we can compare?The historic actions of all those countries pale in to insignificance when compared to the actions of the USA. Both domestic and international. None of those countries had the empirical reach to be able to commit the same atrocities. Look USA now has 2 genocides under its name. Thats one more than Hitler. Not to mention the horror of being the only country to use nuclear bombs.
Where I am from is not relevant. I would not feel compelled to defend the bad part of its history just bcos I am from there; I would criticise it just the same. I am not biased, like you seem to claim would be justified behaviour.
A video about the decline of USA empire by a USAn economist. Espec for Huacho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyw6vD2kiew
If you watch this and feel anger, or reject it bcos you don't believe it, then you have a strong case of cognitative dissonance. Unsubstantiated bias.
The historic actions of all those countries pale in to insignificance when compared to the actions of the USA. Both domestic and international. None of those countries had the empirical reach to be able to commit the same atrocities. Look USA now has 2 genocides under its name. Thats one more than Hitler. Not to mention the horror of being the only country to use nuclear bombs.
Where I am from is not relevant. I would not feel compelled to defend the bad part of its history just bcos I am from there; I would criticise it just the same. I am not biased, like you seem to claim would be justified behaviour.You are keep it 100 JustTK. Read a few the latest posts here. The rah rah USA mother fuckers with there pom poms and short skirts on don't even know what the founding document (The Constitution of the United States) of their own country says. LOL!.
I would have guessed Great Britain, he has that air of unwarranted superiority about him.This guy calls me sub human and then comments on his perceived superiority of someone else. GTF!
How you like me now?
Maybe so, but are they factual?No they are only your opinions.
That is your opinion and is simply not true. You can clothe your argument however you like, the constitution did indeed (and still does) allow the Court to hear state cases that have a federal nexus. It goes without saying that an election to determine the President of the United States indeed has a federal nexus. Another fact that you like to overlook is that 7 of the 9 justices agreed to hear the case.This assumes that that the Supreme Court of the United States of America is never wrong.
Have you ever actually read the text of the Constitution of the United States of America?
Article 1; Section. 4. of the Constitution of the United States of America says the following:
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof
The Supreme Court held no jurisdiction in this matter and as such should have declined to rule on the case of the 2000 election. It was a matter strictly for the Florida court system. The Supreme Court of the United States of America effectively decided who would be the next head of the the executive branch of government. The judges stole the election from the people of the United States of America. (opinion).There is no room for interpretation of this section.
FUCK! read your mother fucking constitution!
Article II Section 1
The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows: Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.
There is no room in this document for the Supreme Court of the United States to make a ruling like they did. They did not have the right to make the decision. That is a fact. You have never pointed out where in the Constitution of the United States allows the Supreme Court to decide who the next President of the United States should be. Especially on a split decision. The mere fact that 7 of the 9 justices decided to hear the case means only that 2 knew and understood the role of the court in this pivotal moment in history. Congress should have impeached the 5 judges who were in the majority.
You want say my "opinions are uninformed and wrong". But your opinions are not based on what the Constitution of the United States says.
the constitution did indeed (and still does) allow the Court to hear state cases that have a federal nexus.Where does it say this? Make the logical argument using the text of the constitution or rulings of the court to support your "opinion". Otherwise it carries no more weigh than mine does.
I attended high-school in a small town, and did not attend a highly touted prepatory school. We were required to take two years of Civics and one of those classes was devoted exclusively to the Constitution. So yes, like most people my age, our secondary school education required taking a class (or 2 at my school) in Civics and the Constitution was a central topic of study. Oddly enough, in my university classes (both bachelor's and master's) no Civics classes were required.Even with this excellent public education (similar to mine) you still refuse to read the source document and make a decision for yourself if the Supreme Court was out of line or not.
The court has often recognized it's own errors. This not the forum for this but take a look at this decision: Brown v. Board of Education. How can this happen if the court is never wrong?
A video about the decline of USA empire by a USAn economist. Espec for Huacho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyw6vD2kiew
If you watch this and feel anger, or reject it bcos you don't believe it, then you have a strong case of cognitative dissonance. Unsubstantiated bias.I have a simple solution; I'm not going to watch it. I don't get my information from You Tube videos. I also don't talk shit about countries I haven't even been to.
This assumes that that the Supreme Court of the United States of America is never wrong.Not even close. What it means is that 7 of the 9 justices believed it was appropriate to hear this case. Obviously you know better. I am surprised they didn't consult you.
There is no room for interpretation of this section.That might be one of the silliest things you have ever written. There is always room for interpretation. No document, constitution, series of laws etc covers every potential disagreement for all eternity. The world evolves, which, of course, is why we have courts. To interpret and apply laws to situations that are not specifically defined. In time, legislatures write or rewrite laws to remain current with contemporary life. But until that happens, we have courts.
FUCK! read your mother fucking constitution!
Article II Section 1
The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows: Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.
There is no room in this document for the Supreme Court of the United States to make a ruling like they did. They did not have the right to make the decision. That is a fact. You have never pointed out where in the Constitution of the United States allows the Supreme Court to decide who the next President of the United States should be. Especially on a split decision. The mere fact that 7 of the 9 justices decided to hear the case means only that 2 knew and understood the role of the court in this pivotal moment in history. Congress should have impeached the 5 judges who were in the majority.
You want say my "opinions are uninformed and wrong". But your opinions are not based on what the Constitution of the United States says.
Where does it say this? Make the logical argument using the text of the constitution or rulings of the court to support your "opinion". Otherwise it carries no more weigh than mine does.Article III.
Section. 2.
The judicial Power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority; to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls; to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;to controversies to which the United States shall be a party; to controversies between two or more states; between a state and citizens of another State, between citizens of different States,between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.
In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction.In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
This section of Article III makes it abundantly clear that the Supreme Court had the authority to grant "certiorari" and hear the case.
Amendment Twelve to the Constitution was ratified on June 15,1804. It revises and outlines the procedure of how Presidents and Vice Presidents are elected, specifically so that they are elected together.
The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;
The 43 president of the United States of America was inappropriately granted the presidency by the United States Supreme Court. They should have stayed out of it. Instead they decided to to pick the next head of the branch of the executive for the United States Government.
Separation of Powers Doctrine
Over the course of our history, the Supreme Court has elaborated on the separation-of-powers doctrine in several cases addressing the three branches of government. At times, the Court has determined that one branchs actions have infringed upon the core functions of another.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/intro.7-2/ALDE_00000031/There is noting more core than the selection of the President of the United States of America. It is matter that is delegated exclusively to the States that make up the United Union. The States rights were usurped by the Supreme Court Ruling. The Supreme Court also violated the Separation of Powers Doctrine when they awarded the presidency to #43. The election was stolen from the American People.
I believe at if the same situation would happen again the court would realize that is it legitimacy as a independent branch of the United Staes Government is a risk and they would fail to hear the case and stay in their lane.
I'm not going to watch it. I don't get my information from You Tube videos. I also don't talk shit about countries I haven't even been to.Really? So you get your info from where? Your propagandised mainstream media? Youtube, and more so Rumble, are far more independent as sources of legitimate news (if you weed out the mainstream outlets).
And I don't visit countries about which I have to talk shlt. I would never spend any time in a police terror state in the stage of a fading empire. The leaders simply murder people who have different opinions. Far too dangerous for me.
USA, a Police state?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl_fgvH1BDA
Refute the video if u can.
Really? So you get your info from where? Your propagandised mainstream media? Youtube, and more so Rumble, are far more independent as sources of legitimate news (if you weed out the mainstream outlets).
And I don't visit countries about which I have to talk shlt. I would never spend any time in a police terror state in the stage of a fading empire. The leaders simply murder people who have different opinions. Far too dangerous for me.
USA, a Police state?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl_fgvH1BDA
Refute the video if u can.It is perfectly ok for him not to watch it. He is not interested in an intellectual discussion where information is shared. I see his posts as just putting on a short skirt and grabbing his pom moms to cheer for his country of origin. No real interest acknowledging the real problems. If his country of origin was so great, why is he in Colombia paying to get his fuck on?
I receive life changing information that is spot on from YouTube all the time. It is like a video store of informational value. I once needed to learn how to tie a bow tie. 15 minutes watching a YouTube video and 15 minutes of practice and I was Mr. Bow Tie. You know what they say:
Every girl crazy about a sharp dressed man - ZZ Top.
I don't get my information from You Tube videos..Huacho, What control do you believe are lacking from Youtube and how can you verify that these controls are in place and effective in the media platforms you prefer?
Huacho, What control do you believe are lacking from Youtube and how can you verify that these controls are in place and effective in the media platforms you prefer?Fact checking. Any clown can make and post a You Tube video. I can verify controls are in place due to things like Snope. Also Reuters, BBC, and other sources have developed reputations over the years. Not perfect, but better than random trolls. If that economist you posted about the other day is Mohammed El-Erian, he is a good economist but has been preaching gloom and doom (like a lot.
Of bond guys; he used to run PIMCO) for the entirety of the thirty years I've been watching him. Occasionally he is right, kind of like Elvis or a stopped clock.
Huacho, What control do you believe are lacking from Youtube and how can you verify that these controls are in place and effective in the media platforms you prefer?I read and aware of the things that the government have done. For example, CIA and Iran. There is actually a PBS documentary about it.
Besides the bad things, can you provide some information on the good things that the country has done if there is any?
Fact checking. Any clown can make and post a You Tube video. I can verify controls are in place due to things like Snope. Also Reuters, BBC, and other sources have developed reputations over the years. Not perfect, but better than random trolls.Seems any clown can make a TV news channel too. Look at all the lies that come from the mainstream USA News Channels. Over and over again, the lies to support the establishment narrative. It never stops. No fact checking at all. Or if there is fact checking then its by fact chekers that they appoint themselves. No independence at all.
In the case of BBC. What good is fact checking if they are just going to ignore the story if the facts don't align with their narrative? This happens all the time too. Stories are simply buried if they don't like them. On the rae occassion that they have been critical of the establishment, this has lead to the firing of the BBC Head and managment team. In what way is this 'better'?
Random trolls. Who suggested randon trolls? I suggest you seek out proven YT channels for independent news.
Besides the bad things, can you provide some information on the good things that the country has done if there is any?Many of the best independent journalists are USAn, for example Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibi, Kim Iverson, Max Blumenthal. They often start their own news channels bcos they are forced out of mainstream news bcos they refuse to conform to the corrupted mainstream.
USAns have done many great things in science and technology. BUt too often these have been co-opted for financial gain for the establishment, especially since WW2. Also many great contributions in also entertainment and sport.
What has the USA Govt done of significance for altruistic purposes? - I struggle to think of anything. It most often involves itself only for personal gain / security.
What has the USA Govt done of significance for altruistic purposes?I guess now would be a good time to start naming all the good, altruistic governments out there. Here's my list:
I guess now would be a good time to start naming all the good, altruistic governments out there. Here's my list:Clearly no capitalist governments, it would be against their manifesto to help the people. But now your defence is "sorry sir, I know I did bad but they did it too!
Clearly no capitalist governments, it would be against their manifesto to help the people. But now your defence is "sorry sir, I know I did bad but they did it too!I'm not defending anything. I just don't think someone who's never been to a country can have a legitimate point of view about it. But you're not limited to capitalist governments if you care to list accomplishments of other forms of government.
Clearly no capitalist governments, it would be against their manifesto to help the people. But now your defence is "sorry sir, I know I did bad but they did it too!Maybe England will be Great after it burns down--or France after they knock down the Eiffel Tower will be Better!! Poor Europe is Lost-.
Clearly no capitalist governments, it would be against their manifesto to help the people. But now your defence is "sorry sir, I know I did bad but they did it too!One thing I learned in a philosophy class is that whenever someone makes some kind of argument with "Clearly" you can be assured they don't know what they are talking about.
Switzerland, Ireland, Estonia, Luxembourg, Denmark and Sweden just to name a few in Europe.
What has the USA Govt done of significance for altruistic purposes? - I struggle to think of anything. It most often involves itself only for personal gain / security.Does Humanitarian aid count? If not, provide a real example by any country to qualify what you mean.
Elvis 2008
08-13-24, 04:46
What has the USA Govt done of significance for altruistic purposes? - I struggle to think of anything. It most often involves itself only for personal gain / security.The government should just be a referee. Because government gets its money from its citizens, there is nothing it should be doing altruistic. A government should not be taken money by force from its citizens and then looking to gain credit for itself by appearing altruistic.
You really do not get the history of our government Tooms. With all its colonies, the USA had the chance to try out all these different forms of government and see which ones worked. Those are what led to the brilliant minds and thoughts of those who wrote the federalist papers among other things. You can find in a lot in those essays which would surprise you and you could use against the USA not keeping to its roots. Our forefathers thought having a huge military was antithetical to freedom. Our civil rights have been whittled away. Jefferson would be horrified at our financial markets and the richest among the citizens being traders.
But I think you are underestimating what the USA is and how smart the people were who came up with the idea of our nation. I had a history teacher say that Marx was the most influential author of the 20th century even though he died in the 19th, and he was probably right but Marx's ideas have been shown not to work.
This whole concept of government being altruistic? That is such a socialistic construct. For all the faith people have in government, I would like to say, have you met them? I have never met anyone in my life who went into government by choice. People who go into it do so for security not excellence, and most cannot wait to get their pensions and get the hell out. You talk about altruism? Heck, most government employees and not just those in the USA have disgust for every day citizens. I actually like it better when they clock in and not try so hard to be good.
Does Humanitarian aid count? If not, provide a real example by any country to qualify what you mean.Yes, I should think so. How I define good governance is. Government for the people by the people. There are plenty of great examples. One such example from nearly all western nations is a public healthcare service.
But I am not going to get in to a discussion about what is good etc bcos its all a diversion by Huacho. The issue is that the USA is the worst influence in the world for the majority of the people. He doesn't want to answer that, so he just deflects by reversing or changing the question.
But I am not going to get in to a discussion about what is good etc bcos its all a diversion by Huacho. The issue is that the USA is the worst influence in the world for the majority of the people. He doesn't want to answer that, so he just deflects by reversing or changing the question.The issue is that you keep saying that about the Yew Ess, but you haven't been there and don't know shit. That's the issue. I happen to think Venezuela is an example of a much worse country, and I get to say that, because I've been there several times. Get it? I have now clearly defined the issue. And if I were such a fan of the Yew Ess, I wouldn't have left. Duh.
But I am not going to get in to a discussion about what is good etc bcos its all a diversion by Huacho. The issue is that the USA is the worst influence in the world for the majority of the people. He doesn't want to answer that, so he just deflects by reversing or changing the question.Let me summarize this discussion for those of you who are late to the party.
The United States is the worst country on the planet because JustTK says it is so and he has a bunch of YouTube videos to back up his opinion. Of course, most of these YouTube hate clips were created by bots or by idiots but that shouldn't matter to you, because it doesn't matter to him.
I have never met anyone in my life who went into government by choice.
I have.
People who go into it do so for security not excellence.Inaccurate.
and most cannot wait to get their pensions and get the hell out.Incorrect.
Hundreds of thousands of individuals work for the government of the United States of America who have entered public service and operate with honor and excellence. They are the ones that allow you tho have the freedom a benefits of the passport that you use to fly to Colombia to pay top dollar for your prostitutes. Most individuals in the private sector are there for self enrichment. They look down on the individuals that allow them to make the that choice in the first place. Especially those at the top of the food chain of the Plutocracy of the United States of America.
The issue is that you keep saying that about the Yew Ess, but you haven't been there and don't know shit. That's the issue. I happen to think Venezuela is an example of a much worse country, and I get to say that, because I've been there several times. Get it? I have now clearly defined the issue. And if I were such a fan of the Yew Ess, I wouldn't have left. Duh.Most of the terrible things that the USA has done have been done outside of the USA, so why should it matter? Do you yourself ignore what the Nazis did in the 30's and 40's bcos you weren't there? That is a plainly ridiculous line of thinking. Ignore what the rest of the world is doing bcos. Well bcos I can only be in one place at a time and so I have only direct experience of one place at a time and I must just ignore the resot of the world and no one can tell me what's going on without me saying its false info. How stupid!
Even if I grant you that Venezuela has done worse by some metric that you haven't even tried to define, it would have been only to its own people. Maybe 30,000,000. Whereas the USA has done its worst to more than 6,000,000,000!! . And over a vastly longer period of time. So your example doesn't not stack up to the simplest scrutiny.
Let me summarize this discussion for those of you who are late to the party.
The United States is the worst country on the planet because JustTK says it is so and he has a bunch of YouTube videos to back up his opinion.Not at all. If that were the case I would grant you some license to ridicule my words instead of thinking your a liberal idiot. I have over 50 years of experience, and I have vast catalogues of media that explain in detail and supported by evidence to support my case.
Just to pick one of countless issues to support my case. Lets discuss USA and war. Even Wikipedia (an establishment tool) lists 100+ wars of USA, and this ignores all the conflicts it started thru direct interference and financial or militray support:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States
And most of these were colonial land or resources grabs to enhance its own ruling elites. How can you defend that? HOw can you defend the indefensible? I know, let's say "but they did it too, your honour! I only did it because they did it. " But the USA continues to this day. No one else does. That is the point.
Hold up a second JustTK.
All the developed nations engage in acts which are heinous but are considered to be in their national interest. When the Prince says hit that mother fucker in broad daylight. All the kings men went into the country and got it done. When Israel says: hit him. You better hope your name is not on that order cause you going to die. When the United States of America finds your ass a drone going to drop a missile trough the roof of your car, fly a cruse missile into your window or Seal Team 6 going to no knock your door to deliver a personal message from POTUS. That is just the way the world works.
Surely you are not excusing the many nations that came before the United States of America? I am not defending the United States of America. The idea is being proffered that USA is the only one one the world stage coming heinous acts outside of their country is a spurious one. Russia feels they are acting in their own interests right now. If China invades they will be acting in their own interests. We need the Japanese warrior class to return. This time dem boys be on our side. They going to be tearing some mother fuckers up and cuttin heads off!
Besides, USA is still does not support rights in their own country. I can apply to for political asylum from the USA. Because those who look like me are being gunned down in the streets by the Police for reasons. I fear for my life everyday I am in USA.
But I will argue that you ignore the most powerful forces on the world stage and that is economics. Follow the money. Makes war look like child play. Because war IS about economics.
But the USA continues to this day. No one else does. That is the point.So Russia isn't engaged in an imperialistic land grab? Israel is not engaged in an imperialistic land grab? Guatemala is not still claiming Belize? Denmark does not continue to exploit Greenland? England still won't let Scotland go despite the referendum. And of course you won't say where you're from, so we can't evaluate whatever addled European country you're from's undoubted sins.
Not at all. If that were the case I would grant you some license to ridicule my words instead of thinking youra liberal idiot. I have over 50 years of experience, and I have vast catalogues of media that explain in detail and supported by evidence to support my case.First, let's try to use English. Your is possesive, youre is a contraction of you are. Not criticizing you, obviously English isn't your first language. So, kudos for trying.
Second, I don't think you understand American politics, either. I wouldn't describe myself as a liberal, but of course, Elvis would. I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Now, depending on how you weigh it, I could be a conservative, a liberal or as I would describe myself. A moderate.
Third, your 50 years of experience seem more like a sign of incontinence rather than one of learning.
Just to pick one of countless issues to support my case. Lets discuss USA and war. Even Wikipedia (an establishment tool) lists 100+ wars of USA, and this ignores all the conflicts it started thru direct interference and financial or militray support:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States
And most of these were colonial land or resources grabs to enhance its own ruling elites. How can you defend that? HOw can you defend the indefensible? I know, let's say "but they did it too, your honour! I only did it because they did it. " But the USA continues to this day. No one else does. That is the point.How quaint. 108 Wars says your Wikipedia cite. BUT several of those wars (The Revolutionary War, The War of 1812, The Barbary Coast Wars, World War I, World War II) were initiated by our foreign adversaries. The majority of the others cited were completely internal I. E. The Civil War and all the Indian Wars. I am not saying that the Indian Wars were all fair, mostly they were not, however, they mostly occurred in the 19th century. They were all internal and a product of their times.
But if you are condemning the US for wars (more like skirmishes or armed enforcements in the case of the Indian Wars) how can you ignore history? The British and French colonial conquest wars dwarf those of the US. Other than our War with Mexico you would be hard pressed to find many other colonial land grabs.
Many of the other conflicts that are cited in your source were peace keeping missions. Ie. Somalia, Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo, Lebanon, Syria. The US was joined by almost all the European powers in these peace-keeping missions and there was no "land grab" at the end.
If you look at what the US did at the end of World War II, you would see something that was unprecedented in world history. We helped rebuild Germany and Japan and other allies as well. We didn't take their land, we didn't enslave their people. The Marshall Plan was an unprecedented display of US values. Those two defeated countries that were manifestly devastated in 1945 were reborn as democracies and were revived to be among the leading economic powers in the world within half a century.
First, let's try to use English. Your is possesive, youre is a contraction of you are. Not criticizing you, obviously English isn't your first language. So, kudos for trying.Classic example of ad hominem attack. Telling that he opened his post out the box being critical of the posters use of English when clearly he.
Third, your 50 years of experience seem more like a sign of incontinence rather than one of learning..Classic example of ad hominem attack. Man with a public school education and second tier university going to talk about someone else's educational background. He ran that play out of his playbook before. I knocked it out of the park like a mother fucking hanging curve ball.
Villainy you are either an elitist or simply a individuals who lacks character. Why don't you stop with all your fuck shit?
Stop being a pedantic ass end of a donkey!
SuperSaint
08-15-24, 18:41
Have any foreign guys entering / exiting MDE had customs / immigration issues regarding slander / harassment / accusations from jealous colombian ex wives / gfs?
Hold up a second JustTK.
Surely you are not excusing the many nations that came before the United States of America?
I am not defending anyone's crimes. All I am saying is the the USA does bigger / worse crimes in more places around the world, and with far greater frequency than any other nation.
So Russia isn't engaged in an imperialistic land grab? Israel is not engaged in an imperialistic land grab? Guatemala is not still claiming Belize? Denmark does not continue to exploit Greenland? England still won't let Scotland go despite the referendum. And of course you won't say where you're from, so we can't evaluate whatever addled European country you're from's undoubted sins.Yes, there are many countries that are trying to expand their territory, and many more pieces of land under dispute (although I would argue Russia is not engaged in imperialism in Ukraine. That's another USA lie).
But the issue is that these land disputes / issues are 1 or nations at a time. USA has around 800 military bases in 80 different countries around the world, built there to enforce is imperialist aims. There is no comparison. I find any attempt at defence of this as shameful. Its not patriotic to try to defend one's own nations' crimes, its nationalistic, which is one step away from nazism.
First, let's try to use English. Your is possesive, youre is a contraction of you are. Not criticizing you, obviously English isn't your first language. So, kudos for trying.
What do you hope to acheive by writing that? What purpose does it serve? Really, it just further illustrates how pathetic your claims are. Try typing the shorthand 'ur' in to this website and see how it changes to 'your'. 'your' is used as shorthand for both your and you're.
Second, I don't think you understand American politics, either. I wouldn't describe myself as a liberal, but of course, Elvis would. I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Now, depending on how you weigh it, I could be a conservative, a liberal or as I would describe myself. A moderate.Again, why did you bother to write this? What purpose does your pedantry serve? You agree that it's a subjective opinioin, so why even bother to mention it when it is completely off-topic?
108 Wars says your Wikipedia cite. BUT several of those wars (The Revolutionary War, The War of 1812, The Barbary Coast Wars, World War I, World War II) were initiated by our foreign adversaries. The majority of the others cited were completely internal I. E. The Civil War and all the Indian Wars. I am not saying that the Indian Wars were all fair, mostly they were not, however, they mostly occurred in the 19th century. They were all internal and a product of their times.
But if you are condemning the US for wars (more like skirmishes or armed enforcements in the case of the Indian Wars) how can you ignore history? The British and French colonial conquest wars dwarf those of the US. Other than our War with Mexico you would be hard pressed to find many other colonial land grabs.
If you look at what the US did at the end of World War II, you would see something that was unprecedented in world history. The Marshall Plan was an unprecedented display of US values. Just to start, I did mention that Wikipedia is an Establishment tool, and therefore hugely underestimates the situation. It does not include all the coups and other assistance USA has provided in wars for its own financial enrichment.
The entire territory of the USA is a landgrab! All the mainland states, Hawaii, Cuba, Philippines, Puerto Rico, US VI, Guam and all the other small Pacific Islands. Where did they send Assange to just now? Another US land grab! Its entire policy to Central and South America since world war 2 has been a resource grab. Your US wars were a 'product of the times', yet the British and French wars were 'colonial conquests'? How convenient of you!
The Marshall Plan is yet another of these US mythologies that USAns get taught at school as a 'fact' of how wonderful the USA is. The reality is very different. The USA gave USD 17 billion in aid to around 20 countries as part of the Marshall Plan.
* USD 17 billion in the 40's is equivalent to about USD 250 billion in today's money value. USA has given Ukraine alone 175 billion since 2022. So it is a trifling small amount to give to 20 countries combined.
* Japan was not included in the Marshall Plan so its fallacious to say Japan benefitted from it.
* Much of the 17 billion was in the form of loans, not gifts. So the countries had to rpay, and still are repaying the USA. Furthermore, USA loaned a similar amount of money post WW2 and prior to Marshall Plan. Again these countries are repaying that too.
* Of the 17 billion gifted to countries under the Marshall Plan, this was all under condition of 'economic cooperation'. Meaning 'open your markets to our businesses! All loand since then. World Bank / IMF is loaned under simimilar hegemonic conditions.
* USA only granetd money to its own markets. It recognised that its markets had been destroyed by WW2 and so its own economy would suffer bcos no one had any money to buy its goods. This is why the plan was created. To prevent the USA suffering from the post-war economic crisis.
it certainly was not an altruistic action.
USA has around 800 military bases in 80 different countries around the world, built there to enforce is imperialist aims.And how many of those 80 countries has the USA then proceeded to take over? None, of course, and most of those bases have been around for decades. BTW your English is excellent and rarely can I tell you're not a native speaker. So fuck anyone giving you grief about that. Maybe you have been to some of those 80 countries, and if so, you know they do benefit economically from those bases. Yep, that is imperialism and carries the taint of colonialism. No, I don't like that. Yes, I was born and raised in the Yew Ess. No, I don't prefer to live there. But whatever country you are from, that you are apparently ashamed of since you won't specify, probably has its warts. However, you won't say where you're from so you can suck on half of my ass because I'm tired of your bullshit.
Elvis 2008
08-16-24, 15:42
Second, I don't think you understand American politics, either. I wouldn't describe myself as a liberal, but of course, Elvis would. I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Now, depending on how you weigh it, I could be a conservative, a liberal or as I would describe myself. A moderate.LOL. What would you call it when you advocated people being locked up in their homes over a virus with a 0. 2% mortality, forcing people to get an ineffective vaccine, demanding they not assemble for a prolonged period of time, censoring those who claim the virus was not that bad? And going $10 trillion in debt over a virus twice as deadly as the common cold is being economical conservative? Is closing businesses down and saying they are not vital economically conservative? What do you call someone who was in favor of the complete obliteration of civil rights?
Normally, I would call such a person who advocated such things a communist. However given you advocated forcing people to take an ineffective vaccine to enrich two private pharmaceutical companies, I think the term fascist fits better.
Economically conservative? You got to be fucking kidding me.
I'm pretty sure TK is from somewhere in Europe and just where would you be without the Marshall Plan? Sure, I have no problem with saying that was a blatant example of imperialism. But, it worked and where would you assholes be without it? Up shit creek without a paddle.
Its not patriotic to try to defend one's own nations' crimes.
So what nation are you from, you fucking asshole? You want to slag on the Yew Ess but are embarrassed to admit you're from some place that does all the same shit. I am from the Yew Ess. It is not a great country and has committed many sins. So, I left. You seem to live in Colombia but you damn sure aren't from there. Put up or shut up. Where are you from and we will evaluate your country the same as you keep shitting on ours.
Just to start, I did mention that Wikipedia is an Establishment tool, and therefore hugely underestimates the situation. It does not include all the coups and other assistance USA has provided in wars for its own financial enrichment.I think that is bull puckey. They listed every confrontation possible including relocating indigenous groups to other areas, peace-keeping missions, responses to piracy etc. Perhaps in your infinite ignorance you can point out the other armed conflicts in which the US was a participant, since according to you, this list "hugely underestimates the situation".
The entire territory of the USA is a landgrab!Another demonstration of abject ignorance of US History. The majority of the US land mass was purchased YES that is right! purchased from other countries that held claim to the land.
All the mainland states, Hawaii, Cuba, Philippines, Puerto Rico, US VI, Guam and all the other small Pacific Islands. Let me help you again with your history. Cuba was never a US territory. The Philippines hasn't been a US territory since World War II. Some Pacific Islands are US territories mostly because after World War II they wanted the protection of the US. Several other Pacific Island territories are uninhabited. I suspect the Sea gulls are entirely comfortable with being designated a US territory.
Where did they send Assange to just now? Another US land grab! Another US land grab? What drugs are you taking? You really need to cut down.
Its entire policy to Central and South America since world war 2 has been a resource grab.Another silly comment from a weak-minded communist. If the US were REALLY interested in a resource grab. We would have invaded and taken over Venezuela which has the largest proven oil reserves in the world.
Your US wars were a 'product of the times', yet the British and French wars were 'colonial conquests'? How convenient of you!US Wars? So every conflict with Indian tribes, or relocation, or pissing contest was a WAR? You think they were "land grabs" ? These areas were already a constituent part of the US? How do you "grab" what is already yours?
The Marshall Plan is yet another of these US mythologies that USAns get taught at school as a 'fact' of how wonderful the USA is. The reality is very different. The USA gave USD 17 billion in aid to around 20 countries as part of the Marshall Plan.
* USD 17 billion in the 40's is equivalent to about USD 250 billion in today's money value. USA has given Ukraine alone 175 billion since 2022. So it is a trifling small amount to give to 20 countries combined.Tell that to the millions of starving people in the aftermath of World War II.
* Japan was not included in the Marshall Plan so its fallacious to say Japan benefitted from it.Japan kept its emperor and its independence and received millions in US aid. For decades, Japan has had an incredible benefit by not having a military budget of consequence because of the alliance, support and protection of the US. This allowed Japan to revive its economy in record time.
* Much of the 17 billion was in the form of loans, not gifts. So the countries had to rpay, and still are repaying the USA. Furthermore, USA loaned a similar amount of money post WW2 and prior to Marshall Plan. Again these countries are repaying that too.You left out some salient details. These were interest free loans for the most part with flexible repayment schedules. But of course, I suppose your hatred must have obscured those facts.
* Of the 17 billion gifted to countries under the Marshall Plan, this was all under condition of 'economic cooperation'. Meaning 'open your markets to our businesses! All loand since then. World Bank / IMF is loaned under simimilar hegemonic conditions.Economic cooperation? Seriously? Who else was producing anything in the aftermath of World War II? What a horrible restriction. We'll give you (ooops I mean make interest free loans) so that you can feed, clothe and shelter your population but you need to open your non-existant markets to the US? Yes, the loans no doubt had restrictions that all the construction materials were purchased from the US or other allied countries excluding the Soviet Union.
As to the World Bank / IMF. I don't know how they structure their loans / assistance and I don't care.
* USA only granetd money to its own markets. It recognised that its markets had been destroyed by WW2 and so its own economy would suffer bcos no one had any money to buy its goods. This is why the plan was created. To prevent the USA suffering from the post-war economic crisis.
it certainly was not an altruistic action.Wrong again. Where do you come up with these things? The US primarily sold its goods and services within the US. It would be many years before there was a "global economy". Obviously in the aftermath of World War II there was a lot of construction and the US certainly produced a goodly amount of the materials that were needed for reconstructing the leveled cities of Europe.
Look I get it. For some reason you hate the US. You are blinded to all the good the US has done in the world. The philanthropic activities of US citizens and organizations have probably saved tens of millions of lives.
LOL. What would you call it when you advocated people being locked up in their homes over a virus with a 0. 2% mortality, forcing people to get an ineffective vaccine, demanding they not assemble for a prolonged period of time, censoring those who claim the virus was not that bad? And going $10 trillion in debt over a virus twice as deadly as the common cold is being economical conservative? Is closing businesses down and saying they are not vital economically conservative? What do you call someone who was in favor of the complete obliteration of civil rights?
Normally, I would call such a person who advocated such things a communist. However given you advocated forcing people to take an ineffective vaccine to enrich two private pharmaceutical companies, I think the term fascist fits better.
Economically conservative? You got to be fucking kidding me.I would call it Elvis bloviating once again. First of all the mortality rate for those who acquired the virus was over 1% It was even higher but after the vaccines were introduced and widely distributed the virus mutated and the overall fatality rate declined, ending up around 1% You are using 0. 2% because you understand statistics about as well as your ability to read which is at an effective rate of around 0. 2%.
The 10 Trillion dollar hole was primarily the result of Trump's tax give-away program where the wealthiest individuals and corporations garnered 98% of the benefits. I am not surprised you didn't know that. You would have needed to be able to read. And at that 0. 2% comprehension rate. Well the results speak for themselves.
BTW weren't you among the very first to race out and take the vaccine when it was available? What would you call that? The word is hypocrite!
Then you wrote all the posts after the fact, bragging that you were out there scoring up girls on the cheap in Mexico and in Colombia. Odd that you were among the only people they allowed to enter and leave the country during CoVid. For everybody else, entering and exiting the country was strictly prohibited but I guess not for you, Elvis. There is a word for those claims also, and it isn't "conservative".
JustTK does not hate the United States of America. He just refuses to put on a short skirt and pick up pom poms to cheer for a nation whose hypocrisy runs deep. As the USA does not even protect the human rights of its own citizens within its borders.
Where someone is from has nothing to do with the points he is making about the USA. My my youth the USA was a great place and I could wait to get back home. Now I don't want to ever step foot in the USA again. Things changed there and not for the better.
Mother Fuckers who choose to live in other countries have no place to be critical of others if they are fans of the USA. The mere fact that you don't live where you were born tell everyone that USA is not all that and a bag of chips.
And how many of those 80 countries has the USA then proceeded to take over? None, of course, and most of those bases have been around for decades. ...you know they do benefit economically from those bases.Ofc, they have taken over many of those countries. All of the USA home states for a start, Guam, Samoa, Marshall Islands, Iraq, Syria. Many of them. And most of the others are there bcos they have taken over sectors of the economy and the bases maintain that situation. Or they are in corrupt relationships with some nation leaders that allow the USA to extract resources to the detriment of that country's people.
Its not patriotic to try to defend one's own nations' crimes.
Where are you from and we will evaluate your country the same as you keep shitting on ours.So we agree that its not patriotic. I already said that. It is nationalistic. Close the facsistic.
As I mentioned before, I don't have any nationalistic myopia about my own home country. I know its strengths and weaknesses. I don't feel obliged to ludicrously try to defend its crimes just bcos I am from there.
I think that is bull puckey. They listed every confrontation possible including relocating indigenous groups to other areas, peace-keeping missions, responses to piracy etc. Perhaps in your infinite ignorance you can point out the other armed conflicts in which the US was a participant, since according to you, this list "hugely underestimates the situation".
I wrote "It does not include all the coups and other assistance USA has provided in wars for its own financial enrichment. ".
Here are 50+ more since WW2.
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list
Another demonstration of abject ignorance of US History. The majority of the US land mass was purchased YES that is right! purchased from other countries that held claim to the land.
Some land was purchased, correct. Purchased from others that had stolen the land. Buying stolen property is also a crime.
So we agree that its not patriotic. I already said that. It is nationalistic. Close the facsistic.
As I mentioned before, I don't have any nationalistic myopia about my own home country. I know its strengths and weaknesses. I don't feel obliged to ludicrously try to defend its crimes just bcos I am from there.I think you miss a point about US offers the best opportunity for most hard working skilled people to be successful. It's whether you are in or out. You will have completely different perspective. I have one classmate who talks like you. He is very smart, went to the best school and has a PhD degree and is very successful. I asked why he is still in US given all the things that you hate and you like another country better. He said he was planning. That was a few years ago. He is still in US currently. I hope this observation offers a different perspective.
I think you miss a point about US offers the best opportunity for most hard working skilled people to be successfulDon't believe the hype!
Personally, I do not agree. There are countries all over the world that have better opportunities depending upon the type of lifestyle you are looking for. I am from the United States of America. I fear for my life each and every minute I have to be there. The police are empowered to kill individuals who look like me on sight and without consequence.
I think you miss a point about US offers the best opportunity for most hard working skilled people to be successfulDepends who you are!
Elvis 2008
08-17-24, 09:26
I would call it Elvis bloviating once again. First of all the mortality rate for those who acquired the virus was over 1% It was even higher but after the vaccines were introduced and widely distributed the virus mutated and the overall fatality rate declined, ending up around 1% You are using 0. 2% because you understand statistics about as well as your ability to read which is at an effective rate of around 0. 2%.
The 10 Trillion dollar hole was primarily the result of Trump's tax give-away program where the wealthiest individuals and corporations garnered 98% of the benefits. I am not surprised you didn't know that. You would have needed to be able to read. And at that 0. 2% comprehension rate. Well the results speak for themselves.
BTW weren't you among the very first to race out and take the vaccine when it was available? What would you call that? The word is hypocrite!
Then you wrote all the posts after the fact, bragging that you were out there scoring up girls on the cheap in Mexico and in Colombia. Odd that you were among the only people they allowed to enter and leave the country during CoVid. For everybody else, entering and exiting the country was strictly prohibited but I guess not for you, Elvis. There is a word for those claims also, and it isn't "conservative".I am stupid, Trump is stupid, changing the subject. You are a typical Democratic douche. Trump and Biden both had massive giveaways. Vaccine NEVER reduced mortality. 0. 2% was the HIGHEST mortality for the virus. And of course, most importantly, you have not shown one conservative economic position at all. You are an economic fascist. Try defending yourself versus being in attack mode. You proved nothing to no one.
Another demonstration of abject ignorance of US History. The majority of the US land mass was purchased YES that is right! purchased from other countries that held claim to the land.Factually incorrect
One can argue that the initial land that formed the United States of America was acquired through war.
Add the Mexican. American war (annexed Texas); The war over Florida; Oregon Treaty of 1846 (not a purchase);.
Treaty of Guadalupe (Mexico cedes 55% of its territory).
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/treaty-of-guadalupe-hidalgo#text=This%20 treaty%2 see%20 signed%20 on%20 February, Oklahoma%2 see%20 Kansas%2 see%20 and%20 Wyoming.
Some land was purchased, correct. Purchased from others that had stolen the land. Buying stolen property is also a crime.Actually very little of the land was purchased. The major of of the land the current United States of America sits on was claimed as the spoils of war.
This is a fact. Most individuals brought up in the United States of America learn this stuff as part of Civics and Geography in grade school. So, any individual who does not know this either was not raised in the United States of America or slept through a lot of classes.
This educational update was provide free charge for anyone who did not know, now you know!
How you like me now?
Let me help you again with your history. Cuba was never a US territory. The Philippines hasn't been a US territory since World War II. Some Pacific Islands are US territories mostly because after World War II they wanted the protection of the US.
Cuba was a USA protectorate and occupied by US forces.
"Philippines hasn't been a US territory since World War II. " So?
Guam, Samoa, Puerto Rico. Were all land grabs from the Spanish, who themselves stole them.
And how about all the others that you ignored? You attempt to refute a point by countering a small number of examples, as if that refutes my entire point. Its like I point out 10 issues, you refute 1 or 2 and so pretend the other 8 don't count.
Another silly comment from a weak-minded communist. If the US were REALLY interested in a resource grab. We would have invaded and taken over Venezuela which has the largest proven oil reserves in the world.
Another ignorant and brainwashed statement. USA WAS engaged in a resource grab in Venezuela for decades. When Chavez came along and changed all that. USA went on economic warfare against Venezuela.
US Wars? So every conflict with Indian tribes, or relocation, or pissing contest was a WAR?
Yes ofc! Just bcos the USA prefers to pick on weak nations and peoples that are often unable to defend themselves or have only sticks and bows and arrows (yet still win against the USA), doesn't mean that military action wasn't an act of warfare.
Its like you break in to my house with a machine gun and steal everything. I only have a pastic toy gun so I am unable to defend myself. You argue that bcos there was no fighting, no crime was committed. Great logic there. How convenient!
Wrong again. Where do you come up with these things? The US primarily sold its goods and services within the US. It would be many years before there was a "global economy". Obviously in the aftermath of World War II there was a lot of construction and the US certainly produced a goodly amount of the materials that were needed for reconstructing the leveled cities of Europe.
Look I get it. For some reason you hate the US. You are blinded to all the good the US has done in the world. The philanthropic activities of US citizens and organizations have probably saved tens of millions of lives.You have been wrong or irrelevant about everything, so why stop at the end?
The USA was the major export nation to Europe after the war. One important commodity was wheat.
Japan was ruined after the war and needed major reconstruction at all levels, including from the nuclear bombs the USA used on its citizens, Israelesque! BUt you claimed it was a beneficiary under the Marshall plan when it wasnt. That was my point.
I don't hate USA. I hate the US Govt and the ruling establishment. *They have ruined billions of lives. *.
I think you miss a point about US offers the best opportunity for most hard working skilled people to be successful. I fear that even those doors are closing rapidly Nounce. With AI set to take over a huge swathe of jobs, the issue is whther the savings to business will be shared among the public in lower prices. But we all know the answer there. Price will stay the same, and everyone will end up with nothing and no job, apart from the shareholders who will take everything. I imagine this will lead to revolutions and world war.
You have been wrong or irrelevant about everything, so why stop at the end?
The USA was the major export nation to Europe after the war. One important commodity was wheat.
Japan was ruined after the war and needed major reconstruction at all levels, including from the nuclear bombs the USA used on its citizens, Israelesque! BUt you claimed it was a beneficiary under the Marshall plan when it wasnt. That was my point.
I don't hate USA. I hate the US Govt and the ruling establishment. *They have ruined billions of lives. *.Japan received enormous support and aid from the US. You are right that it wasn't part of the "Marshall Plan" but it was aid and support nonetheless. Which other country in world history won a major war and then helped rebuild the country that attacked it? I'll wait for your excuse.
And you were absolutely wrong about the amount of the Marshall Plan that was structured as loans. Almost all of the support was structured as grants and not as loans.
https://economics.stackexchange.com/questions/18337/was-the-aid-in-the-marshall-plan-a-loan
So, any individual who does not know this either was not raised in the United States of America or slept through a lot of classes.
Well, I think we all know which group Villainy is in. Hehe.
I fear that even those doors are closing rapidly Nounce. With AI set to take over a huge swathe of jobs, the issue is whther the savings to business will be shared among the public in lower prices. But we all know the answer there. Price will stay the same, and everyone will end up with nothing and no job, apart from the shareholders who will take everything. I imagine this will lead to revolutions and world war.They said the same thing about the cotton gin, and the plow, etc.
One can argue that the initial land that formed the United States of America was acquired through war.Yes the United States was formed by winning the Revolutionary War.
Add the Mexican. American war (annexed Texas); The war over Florida; Oregon Treaty of 1846 (not a purchase);.Annexed Texas? I guess you skipped over the chapter where Texas fought a war of independence in 1835-6 and formed the Republic of Texas. Later they agreed to join the United States, but this was before the Mexican-American War. There was a dispute about which river was the boundary between Texas and Mexico. But annexed Texas? That isn't history that is fantasy.
Actually very little of the land was purchased. The major of of the land the current United States of America sits on was claimed as the spoils of war. So, let's see:
Louisiana Purchase 828,000 sq miles.
Alaska Purchase 665,000 sq miles.
Oregon Territory 288,541 sq miles. (Only includes the part that became part of the US).
Gadsden Purchase 29,670 sq miles.
Total 1,811,211 sq miles which is more than 50% of the US land mass (3. 5 million sq miles).
I didn't even include Florida which was also part of a negotiated settlement with Spain, nor the land purchase settlement as part of the Treaty of Guadaloupe-Hidalgo which ended the Mexican-American war.
This is a fact. Most individuals brought up in the United States of America learn this stuff as part of Civics and Geography in grade school. So, any individual who does not know this either was not raised in the United States of America or slept through a lot of classes.
This educational update was provide free charge for anyone who did not know, now you know!Interesting how you have all the facts wrong. Perhaps you missed a few classes in grade school.
Yes the United States was formed by winning the Revolutionary War.So that land was not purchased.
Annexed Texas?Yes.
Texas was annexed by the United States in 1845 and became the 28th state.
Until 1836, Texas had been part of Mexico, but in that year a group of settlers from the United States who lived in Mexican Texas declared independence. They called their new country the Republic of Texas, which was an independent country for nine years.
Politics in the United States fractured over the issue of whether Texas should be admitted as a slave or free state. In the end, Texas was admitted to the United States a slave state.
The annexation of Texas contributed to the coming of the Mexican-American War (1846-1848). The conflict started, in part, over a disagreement about which river was Mexicos true northern border: the Nueces or the Rio Grande.
https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/us-history/the-early-republic/age-of-jackson/a/annexing-texas#text=Overview, in%20 Mexican%20 Texas%20 declared%20 independence.
So, let's see:
Louisiana Purchase 828,000 sq miles.Agreed it was a purchase.
Alaska Purchase 665,000 sq miles.Agreed it was a purchase.
Oregon Territory 288,541 sq miles. (Only includes the part that became part of the US).Not a purchase. An agreement to avoid war.
The United States and Great Britain signed the Treaty of Oregon on June 15, 1846, ending 28 years of joint occupancy of the Pacific Northwest. The treaty established the 49th parallel as the border between the two countries. The United States and Great Britain ended the War of 1812 with the Treaty of Ghent in 1814, and four years later agreed to a 10-year period of joint occupancy of the Northwest.
The joint-occupancy agreement was renewed twice, but by 1846 it was clear that the Northwest was rapidly becoming American, primarily as the result of westward migration on the Oregon Trail, and neither country wanted to fight another war over the border issue.
https://www.nwcouncil.org/reports/columbia-river-history/treatyoforegon/#text=The%20 United%20 States%20 and%20 Great, border%20 between%20 the%20 two%20 countries.
Gadsden Purchase 29,670 sq miles.Not a purchase. Another agreement to settle post war conflicts.
The Gadsden Purchase, or Treaty, was an agreement between the United States and Mexico, finalized in 1854, in which the United States agreed to pay Mexico $10 million for a 29,670 square mile portion of Mexico that later became part of Arizona and New Mexico. Gadsdens Purchase provided the land necessary for a southern transcontinental railroad and attempted to resolve conflicts that lingered after the Mexican-American War.
So since you can only show 51% that you claim is purchased and I have shown that two of your purchases were not actually purchases are you going walk back your statements? If someone puts a gun to your head and says I would like to buy your rolex watch for $1 and you agree to sell it to him, is that a legitimate business deal.
Interesting how you have all the facts wrong. Perhaps you missed a few classes in grade school.You are actually the person who has his facts wrong and is attempting to rewrite history because you have your American flag short skirt on and your red, white and blue pom poms pumping up and down like my chicas head when she is going down on my dick.
I have factual citations. What you got mother fucker? Your hands full of shit!
Well, I think we all know which group Villainy is in. Hehe.Yes, we do!
Like Villainy, I voted for Gore, while accepting that Bush squeaked out a legit victory.Bush did not legitimately win a victory. Please review the post below in its entirety.
That 2000 stolen election by Jeb and his fellow Repubs had massive and disastrous domino-effect repercussions.
Japan... You are right that it wasn't part of the "Marshall Plan" but it was aid and support nonetheless. Which other country in world history won a major war and then helped rebuild the country that attacked it? I'll wait for your excuse.
And you were absolutely wrong about the amount of the Marshall Plan that was structured as loans. Almost all of the support was structured as grants and not as loans.
Excuse about what? We were discussing the Marshall Plan. Now you have changed the subject in to a discussion about Japan, which is off topic. Whats your excuse for changing the subject?
I am "absolutely wrong" about the amount of the Marshall Plan that was structured as loans? Am I now? I wrote "Much of the 17 billion was in the form of loans". Kindly explain what part of my statement is "absolutely wrong" .
They said the same thing about the cotton gin, and the plow, etc.Right. And how many people do you know that work in cotton sorting and with a plow?
I am "absolutely wrong" about the amount of the Marshall Plan that was structured as loans? Am I now? I wrote "Much of the 17 billion was in the form of loans". Kindly explain what part of my statement is "absolutely wrong" .If you did a little review you would find that somewhere in the vicinity of 85-90% of Marshall Plan funds were structured as grants and not as loans.
https://economics.stackexchange.com/questions/18337/was-the-aid-in-the-marshall-plan-a-loan#text=The%20 UK%20 received%20385%20 million, both%20 the%20 UK%20 and%20 France.
Actually very little of the land was purchased.The major of of the land the current United States of America sits on was claimed as the spoils of war.
This is a fact.
So, let's see:
Louisiana Purchase 828,000 sq miles.
Alaska Purchase 665,000 sq miles.
Agreed it was a purchase.
Agreed it was a purchase. Just taking the Louisiana Purchase and the Alaska Purchase we see that over 40% of the land mass of the US was purchased. You agreed. So I guess you are admitting you were wrong when you said that Very little of the land was purchased. Since I am quoting you. That should be a pretty good source. Si o no?
Now let me demonstrate how you screwed up the rest of your arguments through ignorance or deception. You can tell me which it was.
Not a purchase. An agreement to avoid war.
The United States and Great Britain signed the Treaty of Oregon on June 15, 1846, ending 28 years of joint occupancy of the Pacific Northwest. The treaty established the 49th parallel as the border between the two countries. The United States and Great Britain ended the War of 1812 with the Treaty of Ghent in 1814, and four years later agreed to a 10-year period of joint occupancy of the Northwest.
The joint-occupancy agreement was renewed twice, but by 1846 it was clear that the Northwest was rapidly becoming American, primarily as the result of westward migration on the Oregon Trail, and neither country wanted to fight another war over the border issue.
Well and good except you never addressed how the Oregon Territory came to be a claim between the United States and Great Britain. Spain had claims to the territory long before the US and GB resolved the carve-up.
In 1819-1821 the US and Spain came to a resolution on Florida. Spain ceded Florida to the US and in addition gave the US its claims to the Oregon Territory. Was this extortion to avoid a war? Not at all. Spain was in a difficult position. Having just gotten through the Napoleonic wars, colonies in South America were revolting left and right and Spain was too stretched to protect all its interests. They ceded Florida and the Oregon Territory to the US in exchange for the US agreement to pay off claims against Spain that arose in Florida. In addition (this was what Spain craved from the agreement) the US agreed to borders that Spain wanted for their Texas territory. Those border disputes arose from the Louisiana Purchase and where exactly the disputed border was located.
https://constitutingamerica.org/february-22-1819-the-adams-onis-treaty-cedes-florida-to-the-united-states-guest-essayist-david-head/
Thus it is appropriate to say that the US purchased the portion of the Oregon Territory from Spain that later becase memorialized as the Northwestern states.
Not a purchase. Another agreement to settle post war conflicts.
The Gadsden Purchase, or Treaty, was an agreement between the United States and Mexico, finalized in 1854, in which the United States agreed to pay Mexico $10 million for a 29,670 square mile portion of Mexico that later became part of Arizona and New Mexico. Gadsdens Purchase provided the land necessary for a southern transcontinental railroad and attempted to resolve conflicts that lingered after the Mexican-American War.
Not a purchase? So, Mexico ceded 29,670 square miles of dessert for $10 million dollars. The US wanted that strip for building a transcontinental railway. Sounds like a purchase to me.
So since you can only show 51% that you claim is purchased and I have shown that two of your purchases were not actually purchases are you going walk back your statements? If someone puts a gun to your head and says I would like to buy your rolex watch for $1 and you agree to sell it to him, is that a legitimate business deal.
You said almost none of the land comprising the current day United States was purchased, when in fact more than 50% was purchased. I might have included the Florida land as well but because the calculation shifted depending on where the borders were, I just left it out.
I know your ego cant accept being wrong.Deal with It
Yes the United States was formed by winning the Revolutionary War.
Annexed Texas? I guess you skipped over the chapter where Texas fought a war of independence in 1835-6 and formed the Republic of Texas. Later they agreed to join the United States, but this was before the Mexican-American War. There was a dispute about which river was the boundary between Texas and Mexico. But annexed Texas? That isn't history that is fantasy..SubCmdr is correct to say the US annexed Texas. It was actually part of a Mexican state called Coahuila & Tejas. The gringos who were against slavery started venturing from Louisiana and other parts of the south into Coahuila & Texas to settle there, where slavery was illegal under Mexican law. The Mexican government allowed them to settle but asked that they learn Spanish and follow the mexican law. They did not. At a point there came to be more gringos than Mexicans in the region, the gringos declared independence and formed the Republic of Texas from the land that was the northern part of Coahuila & Tejas, leaving Mexico the southern part which is the modern day state of Coahuila in Mexico. The Republic of Texas was later annexed by the United States to become the.
28th state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coahuila_y_Tejas?wprov=sfla1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution?wprov=sfla1
For the few years that it was the independennt country of Republic of Texas it had a flag with a single star on it. This is why Texas is called the Lone Star State.
]SubCmdr is correct to say the US annexed Texas. It was actually part of a Mexican state called Coahuila & Tejas. The gringos who were against slavery started venturing from Louisiana and other parts of the south into Coahuila & Texas to settle there, where slavery was illegal under Mexican law. The Mexican government allowed them to settle but asked that they learn Spanish and follow the mexican law. They did not. At a point there came to be more gringos than Mexicans in the region, the gringos declared independence and formed the Republic of Texas from the land that was the northern part of Coahuila & Tejas, leaving Mexico the southern part which is the modern day state of Coahuila in Mexico. The Republic of Texas was later annexed by the United States to become the.
28th state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coahuila_y_Tejas?wprov=sfla1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution?wprov=sfla1
For the few years that it was the independennt country of Republic of Texas it had a flag with a single star on it. This is why Texas is called the Lone Star State.Thank You Gabacho for inserting the voice of reason and accuracy into the United States of America instituted a a by any means necessary policy to expend the country from sea to mother fucking shining sea discussion. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
Tha annexation of Texas pissed the Mexican government off. It lead the the Mexican. American War. President Polk pulled a straight mafia like gangster move. Moved US Army troops deep in the area of dispute and the Mexican Army said Oh no you gringo mother fuckers didn't. Hell the fuck no! And so it was on. So, the US went into Mexico and stepped on their foot. When Mexico responded by putting caps in those mother fucking invading gringo bitches, Washington spun it like the Mexicans had invaded the US. GET THE FUCK! That is some serious gringo bullshit right there my man.
Although I have taken some liberties with the language (cause I have long stopped caring about what mothers fuckers sitting in US Sex Prison pining away for the next trip so they can pay for some CFS in Colombia think of me) the base facts are 100 percent true. I will say it again. If a mother fucker puts a gun to my head and offers to buy my Rolex watch for $1, there is not a court in the world that is going to consider that a legitimate purchase. LOL! .
SubCmdr is correct to say the US annexed Texas. It was actually part of a Mexican state called Coahuila & Tejas. The gringos who were against slavery started venturing from Louisiana and other parts of the south into Coahuila & Texas to settle there, where slavery was illegal under Mexican law. The Mexican government allowed them to settle but asked that they learn Spanish and follow the mexican law. They did not. At a point there came to be more gringos than Mexicans in the region, the gringos declared independence and formed the Republic of Texas from the land that was the northern part of Coahuila & Tejas, leaving Mexico the southern part which is the modern day state of Coahuila in Mexico. The Republic of Texas was later annexed by the United States to become the.
28th state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coahuila_y_Tejas?wprov=sfla1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution?wprov=sfla1
For the few years that it was the independennt country of Republic of Texas it had a flag with a single star on it. This is why Texas is called the Lone Star State.You completely missed the context. There isn't an argument about When Texas became a state. That is unquestioned. Sub changed his tune in a subsequent post after realizing he was mistaken.
Factually incorrect
One can argue that the initial land that formed the United States of America was acquired through war.
Add the Mexican. American war (annexed Texas); The war over Florida; Oregon Treaty of 1846 (not a purchase);.
We all know Texas was annexed BEFORE the Mexican-American war. The war was in part a border dispute but President Polk clearly had expansionist goals and I am sure he was spoiling for that war with Mexico.
If you did a little review you would find that somewhere in the vicinity of 85-90% of Marshall Plan funds were structured as grants and not as loans.
https://economics.stackexchange.com/questions/18337/was-the-aid-in-the-marshall-plan-a-loan#text=The%20 UK%20 received%20385%20 million, both%20 the%20 UK%20 and%20 France.Seems its you, not me, that has a problem with English. You don't understand the difference between 'much' and 'most'.
Most of the land the United States of America current sits on was not purchased. I never changed from this position. I have based me position in historical facts and made citations.
In the following post of yours which I have quoted, and bolded the part pertaining to this argument, you made it sound as if the word "annex" was incorrect and that Texas decided to join the US.
I my post I simply pointed to some facts, substantiate in the Wikipedia articles I referenced, that use the exact same word annex.
Yes the United States was formed by winning the Revolutionary War.
Annexed Texas? I guess you skipped over the chapter where Texas fought a war of independence in 1835-6 and formed the Republic of Texas. Later they agreed to join the United States, but this was before the Mexican-American War. There was a dispute about which river was the boundary between Texas and Mexico. But annexed Texas? That isn't history that is fantasy.
So, let's see:
Louisiana Purchase 828,000 sq miles.
Alaska Purchase 665,000 sq miles.
Oregon Territory 288,541 sq miles. (Only includes the part that became part of the US).
Gadsden Purchase 29,670 sq miles.
Total 1,811,211 sq miles which is more than 50% of the US land mass (3. 5 million sq miles).
I didn't even include Florida which was also part of a negotiated settlement with Spain, nor the land purchase settlement as part of the Treaty of Guadaloupe-Hidalgo which ended the Mexican-American war.
Interesting how you have all the facts wrong. Perhaps you missed a few classes in grade school.
You completely missed the context. There isn't an argument about When Texas became a state. That is unquestioned. Sub changed his tune in a subsequent post after realizing he was mistaken.
We all know Texas was annexed BEFORE the Mexican-American war. The war was in part a border dispute but President Polk clearly had expansionist goals and I am sure he was spoiling for that war with Mexico.I was never arguing when it became a state. I simply pointed out that Texas was in fact stolen from the Mexican government in a gringo coup the'etat executed by gringo immigrants living in the Mexican state of Coahuila & Tejas in 1835. The sham state of Republic of Texas was never recognized by Mexico during its 9 years of existence and when it was annexed by the United States in 1845 that directly led to the start of the Mexican American war of 1846-48.
I believe Sub's argument (and feel free to correct me if I am wrong) is that the majority of the land making up the modern day US was acquired through land grabs rather than purchases. I'm not sure if the exact percentages but quite a bit of land was received through ill-gotten means.
Seems its you, not me, that has a problem with English. You don't understand the difference between 'much' and 'most'.I know you cannot admit when you are wrong, much like SubCmdr, your ego won't permit it. Maybe you can learn something. This is from Britannica Dictionary:
Much, Many, Count Nouns, and Mass Nouns.
Britannica Dictionary.
https://www.britannica.com dictionary Much-Many-.
Search for: When to use much?
What do you mean much?
1. : a great quantity, amount, extent, or degree. She gave away much of what she owned. 2. : something considerable or impressive.
10-15% just doesn't come close. Or maybe you just didn't know what you were talking about when you said:
I am "absolutely wrong" about the amount of the Marshall Plan that was structured as loans? Am I now? I wrote "Much of the 17 billion was in the form of loans". Kindly explain what part of my statement is "absolutely wrong" .
There is a concept in Tennis (one of my favorite games to play) called building a point. That is what I doing right now. My opponent is pinned deep in backhand corner and I am hitting run around forehands that are leaving him scrambling.
Now let me demonstrate how you screwed up the rest of your arguments through ignorance or deception. You can tell me which it was.Neither.
In 1819-1821 the US and Spain came to a resolution on Florida. Spain ceded Florida to the US and in addition gave the US its claims to the Oregon Territory. Was this extortion to avoid a war? Not at all.The land of Florida was gained as spoils of war. It was not a purchase.
From 1818 to 1822, America's seventh president added to his growing legend with a groundbreaking series of military campaigns in North Florida. Jackson's string of military victories won Florida as a U.S. territory, erased the Spanish as a dominant presence in the state and led to a near-extinction of American Indians.
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/2017/03/15/from-archives-remembering-andrew-jackson-jacksonvilles-namesake/6005296007/#.
Wiped them out. Cold blooded genocide.
I might have included the Florida land as well but because the calculation shifted depending on where the borders were, I just left it out.And for good reason. Because it was not a purchase is was spoils of war.
I know your ego cant accept being wrong.Deal with It I can live with being wrong. Except in this case I am not. LOL!.
What you see here is Villainy being one of those brainwashed Americas that believe the hype. I can guess what type of man he is. Born of privilege and believing everything he told about said privilege. So when someone who is not like him (such as myself) present historical facts in a different light it causes him to have an apoplectic fit. The United States of America was formed by a bunch of white guys who got tired of paying tribute to another white mother fucker an ocean away. FACTS!.
Yes ofc! Just bcos the USA prefers to pick on weak nations and peoples that are often unable to defend themselves or have only sticks and bows and arrows (yet still win against the USA), doesn't mean that military action wasn't an act of warfare.
Its like you break in to my house with a machine gun and steal everything. I only have a pastic toy gun so I am unable to defend myself. You argue that bcos there was no fighting, no crime was committed. Great logic there. How convenient!You are keeping it 100 un in here JustTK. I don't let others tell me how to think. I think for myself. As a repressed member who grew up in the US (but yet still thrived in the US because I refused to be denied) I recognize the US for what it is. The military of the United States of America is policy extension arm for them.
Secretary of Defense my ass Please note the last time the United States of America was truly attacked was Pearl Harbor. And there is evidence that was allowed so the US would have a reason to enter the war before it was too late. The battleships were big beautiful targets. The carriers (would prove to be the decisive factors in the war of the Pacific) were out to sea. Makes you say hmmmmmmmm.
I voted with my feet long ago. Turns out there are plenty of countries where I was welcomed by different governments in question. USA is really fucked up right now. No longer the country of my youth. Even through there is a picture of a President underneath the Lincoln Memorial now that non-white kids can look at and say "yeah I can really grow up and be President", some will not even get a chance because they will be gunned down in the street by the police.
How you like me now?
Yes the United States was formed by winning the Revolutionary War.
So, let's see:
Louisiana Purchase 828,000 sq miles.
Alaska Purchase 665,000 sq miles.
3,796,742 sq mi is the land mass of the United States of America.
Only 1,400,000 sq mi (more or less were legitimate purchases).
Leaves 2,386,724 sq mi acquired by war or 63%.
Another demonstration of abject ignorance of US History. The majority of the US land mass was purchased YES that is right! purchased from other countries that held claim to the land.We let you continue to believe a majority of the US land mass was purchased. But the rest of us, with sound minds and the ability to reason will stick to the facts and not worry about your beliefs.
There is a concept in Tennis (one of my favorite games to play) called building a point. That is what I doing right now. My opponent is pinned deep in backhand corner and I am hitting run around forehands that are leaving him scrambling. More like you double faulted, again and again.
The land of Florida was gained as spoils of war. It was not a purchase.
Instead of quoting an Andrew Jackson glorification page (BTW he is a serious candidate for being the worst US President in our history), why don't you read the real history of the US-Spain agreement (Adams-Onis 1819 and Transcontinental Treaty 1821). You might discover that the settlement agreement included the Oregon Territory and Spain received the Texas border clarification it wanted in return.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1801-1829/florida
3,796,742 sq mi is the land mass of the United States of America.
Not exactly, that number includes around 200,000+ sq miles of waterways (The Great Lakes account for almost half of that). Remember that key word? LANDmass.
Only 1,400,000 sq mi (more or less were legitimate purchases). I can see that your addition skills are as weak as your tennis serve. Even if you were right which you are not The Louisiana Purchase and Alaska Purchase come to 1,500,000 sq miles. The Oregon Territory which was also a purchase (or exchange) was 288,571 sq miles and the Gadsen Purchase added an additional 29.670 sq miles.
I know you have trouble understanding the world "purchase". An exchange is also broadly included. So if Spain received an agreement on disputed borders for its Texas territory which is something it wanted and in exchange they ceded their claims to the Northwest Territories, that falls into the category of "purchase".
Everyone knows you face-planted. First a while back you claimed that the Oregon Territory was a war settlement between the US and Great Britain. Now you claim it was a war settlement between the US and Spain. What's next? Russia? Germany?
We let you continue to believe a majority of the US land mass was purchased. But the rest of us, with sound minds and the ability to reason will stick to my revisionist facts and not worry about your beliefs.Answer me this Subie, even with all your mis-addition, including waterways, excluding purchases that you want to quibble about to rationalize your foolish comment. After all of that you still can't make your comment seem plausible.
Actually very little of the land was purchased.
I can see why you left the United States. There really isn't much of a future for someone who can't read, can't handle addition, suffers from conspiracy theories and advocates revisionist history.
I believe Sub's argument (and feel free to correct me if I am wrong) is that the majority of the land making up the modern day US was acquired through land grabs rather than purchases. I'm not sure if the exact percentages but quite a bit of land was received through ill-gotten means.OK. I'll correct you. His argument at first was very little of todas US land mass was purchased..
I disagree with your statement about the majority being land grabs. But your second statement "quite a bit of land was received through ill-gotten means" is a fair statement.
Actually very little of the land was purchased. The major of of the land the current United States of America sits on was claimed as the spoils of war.
This is a fact.
I was able to show with documentation that more than 50% of the US land mass (excluding waterways) was in fact purchased.
Sub cannot admit he was wrong so he argues that the Oregon Territory was a settlement in lieu of war with Great Britain in 1846. Oh wait! No it was extorted from Spain in 1821 as settlement of a war that never happened.
Now he has backed it up again.
Most of the land the United States of America current sits on was not purchased. I never changed from this position. I have based me position in historical facts and made citations.Saying most of the land was not purchased. (he is wrong about that BTW). So he went from "very little" to a "less than a majority". But that last statement doesn't say the majority of the current land mass was the result of land grabs.
He just can't seem to decide what he believes, which is typical of people who shoot their mouth off and then try to back-fill their reasoning.
More like you double faulted, again and again.Double Fault? Nah that is something I rarely do. My spin kick second serve is not only consistent it is fierce. Get on the court with me and you be tripping over your own feet.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1801-1829/floridaDo you even read the material in the citations you provide.
Adams used the Jacksons military action to present Spain with a demand to either control the inhabitants of East Florida or cede it to the United States.
Supports my point entirely. It was not a purchase.
Game Set and Match to Mr. Subcmdr
Double Fault? Nah that is something I rarely do. My spin kick second serve is not only consistent it is fierce. Get on the court with me and you be tripping over your own feet.
Do you even read the material in the citations you provide.
Adams used the Jacksons military action to present Spain with a demand to either control the inhabitants of East Florida or cede it to the United States.
Supports my point entirely. It was not a purchase.
Game Set and Match to Mr. Subcmdr
You keep forgetting, I didn't include Florida, remember. We are talking about the Oregon Territory and whether it was a purchase / exchange or not. Does that jar your memory?
"Under the Onis-Adams Treaty of 1819 (also called the Transcontinental Treaty and ratified in 1821) the United States and Spain defined the western limits of the Louisiana Purchase and Spain surrendered its claims to the Pacific Northwest. In return, the United States recognized Spanish sovereignty over Texas. ".
That is a direct quote from the source you didn't finish reading. Doesn't that have all the characteristics of an exchange? I'll agree to this, if you agree to that. I want this and I'll give you that.
You see, ScoobyDoo, that really doesn't sound like Please Dont Shoot Me You Mean Americans, Take my Oregon Territory.
CheckMate!!
Another demonstration of abject ignorance of US History. The majority of the US land mass was purchased YES that is right! purchased from other countries that held claim to the land.Note, his initial statement was incorrect and I proved it through historical citations. Even using quotes from his own citations.
Not exactly, that number includes around 200,000+ sq miles of waterways (The Great Lakes account for almost half of that). Remember that key word? LANDmass.Then look at how is he moon walking with a pedantic statement about land mass when this is the term he originally used!
I know you have trouble understanding the world "purchase". An exchange is also broadly included. So if Spain received an agreement on disputed borders for its Texas territory which is something it wanted and in exchange they ceded their claims to the Northwest Territories, that falls into the category of purchase".If someone points a gun to my head and tells me I am going to buy your rolex watch for 1 USD I am going to sell it to them. I don't live in the world of the privileged. I know that you think that is a legitimate purchase. The other 99 percent of the world does not.
I believe Sub's argument (and feel free to correct me if I am wrong) is that the majority of the land making up the modern day US was acquired through land grabs rather than purchases. I'm not sure if the exact percentages but quite a bit of land was received through ill-gotten means.You are right Gabacho and you are currently going harder in Thai pussy than I am. LOL. I am right too. It is only Villainy that won't stop until I back down. And I am not. So it is up to the readership to decide. What Villainy does not understand is that this is international audience and most do not give a fuck about the United States of America. I know I do not. LOL!
I disagree with your statement about the majority being land grabs. But your second statement quite a bit of land was received through ill-gotten means is a fair statement.Seems like Villainy is walking back yet another statement. Mother Fucker is trying to down play genocide. War Crime. Hanging offenses. But, when you win that shit don't happen to you. US Navy Seals have a saying: it pays to be a winner.
He just can't seem to decide what he believes, which is typical of people who shoot their mouth off and then try to back-fill their reasoning.
Everyone knows you face-planted. First a while back you claimed that the Oregon Territory was a war settlement between the US and Great Britain. Now you claim it was a war settlement between the US and Spain. What's next? Russia? Germany?Don't use that played out argument with me. I saw it coming like a hanging curve ball.
Your play is to move the goal when my shot is on goal. Go with the ad hominem attack move. That is all you got now that you have lost the intellectual argument. It is the last play of the intellectually bankrupt and I will not be meeting you in court. You want me to admit that I am wrong. I am not. At least two others have pointed out your errors while your are still wearing your US Flag Short Skirt and pumping your red white and blue pom pots up and down the Thai lady's head was going on my dick last night! Dont hate.
To attack is to be a Red Blooded American. It is in your blood. You come from a warrior nation. In my youth, I had to be prepared to back up words with actions. Todays society is completely different. It is based on attention. That is what this is about. Attention. You cannot when the attention of Colombian girls even with your money so you come in here and argue with people to gain attention.
The United States of America: The new bullies on the block after World War II. JustTK stepped to you and kicked your rah rah USA intellectual ass. The United States of America HAS done some ratchet shit in it's own country and overseas. And to me personally. I thank my supreme being everyday that I live through it and got the fuck out of there.
I can see why you left the United States. There really isn't much of a future for someone who can't read, can't handle addition, suffers from conspiracy theories and advocates revisionist history.You can? And you think you know me. You don't know me. But you know how to make me laugh. I'm not laughing with you. I am laughing at you.
Why did the The CMDR leave the United States of America?You think you know the answer to that shit you punk ass ***** mother fucker? Because you won the birth lottery, were born of privilege and think you know everything. But you don't!
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
I left the United States of America because I actually took the words in The Declaration of Independence of the United States of America to heart. That all men were created equal. My experiences in the United States of America showed that was not true. You might have even been or had ancestors that were my oppressors.
And that Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness were part of my unalienable rights. I left the United States of America to pursue my happiness. After a lifetime as a wage slave I emaciated myself. Learned how to use power of the USD and currency arbitrage to my advantage and very late in life learned what money was about and how to use it.
Now I will compare my life to yours in anyway shape or form. Your last 21 posts were here in this thread. Do you actually get any pussy in Colombia? I got pussy asking me when I am coming back to Medellin.
During my entire time on ISG, I have always responded to new people and taken the time to help those who ask. We may disagree of the interpretation of history, but your move to become personally insulting (something you did from the first post of mine you ever responded to) shows your distinct lack of character that you possess.
I'm not sure what your point was. If, indeed, there was one. I live in Medellin.You sir are a hypocrite!
Why are you trying to clown me for leaving the United States of America. When you have done the exact same thing as I have?
I haven't gotten my ass kicked, mostly because I am not stupid enough to give anyone a reason.You sure about that. Ill see you in Medellin. Let's have a drink. I'the like to see if you talk as good of game in person as you write sitting behind the safety of your screen writing on your keyboard.
I don't write trip reports about Colombia because I have not been there lately. What is your excuse?.
I believe Sub's argument (and feel free to correct me if I am wrong) is that the majority of the land making up the modern day US was acquired through land grabs rather than purchases. I'm not sure if the exact percentages but quite a bit of land was received through ill-gotten means.
I disagree with your statement about the majority being land grabs. But your second statement "quite a bit of land was received through ill-gotten means" is a fair statement.
I was able to show with documentation that more than 50% of the US land mass (excluding waterways) was in fact purchased.
Sub cannot admit he was wrong so he argues that the Oregon Territory was a settlement in lieu of war with Great Britain in 1846. Oh wait! No it was extorted from Spain in 1821 as settlement of a war that never happened.
Now he has backed it up again.
Saying most of the land was not purchased. (he is wrong about that BTW). So he went from "very little" to a "less than a majority". But that last statement doesn't say the majority of the current land mass was the result of land grabs.
He just can't seem to decide what he believes, which is typical of people who shoot their mouth off and then try to back-fill their reasoning.I never said that the majority of the territory of the modern US was acquired through land grabs. I said that "I believe that Sub's argument was that the majority of the land that makes up the modern US was acquired through land grabs rather than purchases. " I then followed that up with my own statement in which I said: "I'm not sure of the exact percentages, but quite a bit of the land was received through I'll-gotten means. " which you agreed with.
As I learned in US History class in college, in the 18th and 19th centuries there was something called manifest destiny, in which the US believed all the land from the Atlantic to the Pacific was rightfully theirs for the taking, regardless of native tribes who had been there for centuries and hand stakes to the land and regardless of other governments such as Mexico who had rightfully inherited the land from Texas to California and as far north as the Oregon territory, from its own independence it won against Spain.
The Lewis and Clark expeditions of 1804-05 were proof that the US claimed the land to the west that rightfully belonged to Spain and later to Mexico and respected neither Spain's nor Mexico's Sovereignty during those early years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_and_Clark_Expedition?wprov=sfla1
The Texas Revolution is just one example of these land grabs the US was justifying under its manifest destiny doctrine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny?wprov=sfla1
It is really no different than what Russia did in Crimea in 2014 and Ukraine as a whole in the ongoing conflict. Or how China has plans to retake Taiwan. But if the US did it is was okay it was alright but if others do it they are war criminals, you don't see the hypocracy in that??
There were other instances where gringos (either as individuals or with the backing of the US army) attempted other land grabs further south in Mexico during the 19th century but failed. One that comes to mind is the attempted land grab of Baja California and Sonora by a gringo by the name of William Walker in 1853-54.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedition_of_William_Walker_to_Baja_California_and_Sonora?wprov=sfla1
The Kingdom of Hawaii was also stolen in a similar type land grab. Also whenever the US fought wars it would steal territorial possessions away from the country it fought against, such as Puerto Rico, Guam and the Philippines were taken from Spain in the Spanish American war of 1898.
And Sub is correct that if you put a gun to someone's head and offer them a dollar for his or her iPhone, that isn't a fair purchase. No court on earth would rule that to be a fair purchase, but yet the US sends checks every year to Cuba for the lease of the land upon which the Guantanamo Bay Prison is situated, checks that Cuba has not cashed, not even one of them.
So I like I said, I'm not sure if it's a majority or minority of the square kilometers that make up the US, but I do know that quite a bit of it's land was received through I'll-gotten means and the US has demonstrated less than ethical behavior in its land expansion efforts.
-Gabcaho.
This is one of the most eloquent pieces of work I have read here on ISG since I joined nearly 12 years ago. Thank you Gabacho for taking valuable time out of your vacation to show me how: we REGULATE a punk ass ***** mother fucker!
I never said that the majority of the territory of the modern US was acquired through land grabs. I said that "I believe that Sub's argument was that the majority of the land that makes up the modern US was acquired through land grabs rather than purchases. " I then followed that up with my own statement in which I said: "I'm not sure of the exact percentages, but quite a bit of the land was received through I'll-gotten means. " which you agreed with.
As I learned in US History class in college, in the 18th and 19th centuries there was something called manifest destiny, in which the US believed all the land from the Atlantic to the Pacific was rightfully theirs for the taking, regardless of native tribes who had been there for centuries and hand stakes to the land and regardless of other governments such as Mexico who had rightfully inherited the land from Texas to California and as far north as the Oregon territory, from its own independence it won against Spain.
The Lewis and Clark expeditions of 1804-05 were proof that the US claimed the land to the west that rightfully belonged to Spain and later to Mexico and respected neither Spain's nor Mexico's Sovereignty during those early years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_and_Clark_Expedition?wprov=sfla1
The Texas Revolution is just one example of these land grabs the US was justifying under its manifest destiny doctrine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny?wprov=sfla1
It is really no different than what Russia did in Crimea in 2014 and Ukraine as a whole in the ongoing conflict. Or how China has plans to retake Taiwan. But if the US did it is was okay it was alright but if others do it they are war criminals, you don't see the hypocracy in that??.16 in the clip and one in the hole; Nate Dogg is about to make some bodies turn cold; Now they droppin' and yellin', it's a tad bit late; Nate Dogg and Warren G had to regulate
- Regulate, Nate Dogg and Warren G.
I fear that even those doors are closing rapidly NounceWhat I am trying to say is both sides have bias. If one can't understand why, even if both sides can agree on facts, they probably won't have the same conclusion. Besides, generalization is problematic.
I never said that the majority of the territory of the modern US was acquired through land grabs. I said that "I believe that Sub's argument was that the majority of the land that makes up the modern US was acquired through land grabs rather than purchases. " I then followed that up with my own statement in which I said: "I'm not sure of the exact percentages, but quite a bit of the land was received through I'll-gotten means. " which you agreed with.You are right. I wrote "your" when I meant "his" argument etc etc.
As I learned in US History class in college, in the 18th and 19th centuries there was something called manifest destiny, in which the US believed all the land from the Atlantic to the Pacific was rightfully theirs for the taking, regardless of native tribes who had been there for centuries and hand stakes to the land and regardless of other governments such as Mexico who had rightfully inherited the land from Texas to California and as far north as the Oregon territory, from its own independence it won against Spain.
The Lewis and Clark expeditions of 1804-05 were proof that the US claimed the land to the west that rightfully belonged to Spain and later to Mexico and respected neither Spain's nor Mexico's Sovereignty during those early years. I think you wildly overstated Jefferson's intentions. Your Wikipedia article quoted Jefferson's instructions thus:
The object of your mission is to explore the Missouri River, & such principle stream of it, as, by its course and communication with the waters of the Pacific ocean, whether the Columbia, Oregon, Colorado or any other river may offer the most direct & practicable water communication across this continent for the purpose of commerce.
This makes a lot of sense. Jefferson acted sua sponte in making the Louisiana purchase. It was highly controversial at the time, but it did survive a vote in the House. Jefferson no doubt was keen to explore the northern portions of the Louisiana purchase and identify waterways and locate the easiest paths to the Pacific ocean, map the area and of course, justify his actions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase
The whole concept of "manifest destiny" arose a few decades later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny#text=Manifest%20 destiny%20 had%20 serious%20 consequences, native%20 peoples%20 via%20 Indian%20 removal.
The Texas Revolution is just one example of these land grabs the US was justifying under its manifest destiny doctrine.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny?wprov=sfla1
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Texas-Revolution
While many of the citizens of Texas were Anglo-American immigrants, many were also Tejanos. I don't see any confirmation that the US actively participated in the Texas Revolution.
It is really no different than what Russia did in Crimea in 2014 and Ukraine as a whole in the ongoing conflict. Or how China has plans to retake Taiwan. But if the US did it is was okay it was alright but if others do it they are war criminals, you don't see the hypocracy in that?? You are making the same specious argument that Sub and JustTK made. It is a morality argument and that is something distinctly different from a history argument.
If your position is the US has done some bad shit over the centuries, I won't quarrel with that. But the US is NOT the evil empire and I am not Darth Vader.
Tell me that the US destroyed the indigenous populations and forced the survivors off their land. It's true, that happened.
But here is the problem with a morality argument:
When do we start keeping score? When the US became an independent country in 1783?
Not when the Romans conquered most of the European continent? Not when the French under Napoleon ran roughshod over Europe? How about when the Spanish Conquistadores came to the New World and slaughtered indigenous populations with their diseases and arms and took as much of their treasure as they could transport?
You know the French and the British were not exactly touchy-feely with the indigenous populations they encountered either? Does that mean the US is a co conspirator for the crimes committed before their national independence?
Where is the point in time where we can start to be judgmental?
And Sub is correct that if you put a gun to someone's head and offer them a dollar for his or her iPhone, that isn't a fair purchase. No court on earth would rule that to be a fair purchase, but yet the US sends checks every year to Cuba for the lease of the land upon which the Guantanamo Bay Prison is situated, checks that Cuba has not cashed, not even one of them.
Sub discovered to his chagrin that the Transcontinental Treaty of 1821 between the US and Spain resulted in the US acquiring Spain's claim to the Oregon Territory. In return, the US agreed to Spain's boundary argument for Texas (The Louisiana Purchase left a lot of ambiguity as to where the western border between Louisiana and Texas was located.
He wants to analogize the use of a gun pointed at someone demanding their Rolex in return for $1 dollar. That is a foolish analogy. More apt would be: Two people have guns drawn on each other, one says I want your Rolex for $1, the other says I really like my Rolex but I will sell it to you for $1 but I want your laptop and I will buy it for $2. One hands over the Rolex, the other hands over the Laptop and takes the $1 net. They holster their guns and go to the bar to celebrate, both thinking they got the better of the deal.
Like with many historical events, perceptions change. 50 years later the US will have added the Oregon territory (modern states of Oregon, Washington, Idaho and part of Montana) and Spain lost all their Mexico / Texas / California etc lands in the Mexican Revolution and Mexico in turn lost it to the US in the Mexican-American war of 1846-1848. Now, If I had included the territory that the US "paid" to Mexico in the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo and claimed that California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada and Colorado were lands that were "purchased" he would have had a point. But that was not an even-handed purchase or exchange so I didn't include those lands.
The problem with hate is that it affects judgement. You see that all throughout Sub's and JustTK's posts.
Why did the The CMDR leave the United States of America?I don't care. Does anyone?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
I left the United States of America because I actually took the words in The Declaration of Independence of the United States of America to heart. That all men were created equal. I think that is still true as long as you don't interpret "all men" to mean only the male of the species. What you didn't grasp is that while "all men are created equal" that doesn't even come close to meaning that all men will end up equal. Native abilities, education and hard-work will separate the wheat from the chaff.
Now I will compare my life to yours in anyway shape or form. Your last 21 posts were here in this thread. Do you actually get any pussy in Colombia? I got pussy asking me when I am coming back to Medellin.Most of the 21 posts were correcting your mistakes and misjudgements. Yes I have companionship here in Colombia but I don't have girls asking me when I am coming back.
Mostly because they know I live here.
You sir are a hypocrite!
Why are you trying to clown me for leaving the United States of America. When you have done the exact same thing as I have?
I don't write trip reports about Colombia because I have not been there lately. What is your excuse?.I certainly didn't leave the US for the same types of reasons you enumerated. I retired, travel a fair amount, but really enjoy the climate, the great coffee, the beautiful women and while many "extranjeros" I meet moved here for financial reasons, my decision wasn't economic. I seriously considered moving to Spain prior to retirement. You see learning the language I ignored growing up in the SW always grated on my nerves. So it became one of my "retirement projects".
I have long since given up writing "trip reports" because, I live here and there is a completely different dynamic which basically doesn't really help viajeros.
It is really no different than what Russia did in Crimea in 2014 and Ukraine as a whole in the ongoing conflict. Or how China has plans to retake Taiwan. But if the US did it is was okay it was alright but if others do it they are war criminals, you don't see the hypocracy in that?? You read history backwards, go back 200 years, which is a stretch in itself, then apply the "You Too" fallacy which lets Putin off the hook for violating Ukraine's 1991 borders established in the Budapest Memorandum both parties agreed to, murdering civilians, and for deporting and indoctrinating Ukrainian children, for which he has an ICC warrant out for him. It's a different world today, with established alliances and legal parameters in place. It's also worth mentioning that eastern Europe expanded into NATO, not the other way around. Many entered the EU and NATO by their own request because they prefer democratic values over the dark world of Russia.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
Aside from it all being 200 years ago there's notable differences. For one thing, inevitable mass European migration was taking place in the 1800's, while interactions between Native-Americans tribes were doomed to failure because of vastly different worldviews. The latter had no concept of private "ownership" of property. Land "belonged" to the person that was using it at the time. The same could use it, or even give it away, then expect to have access to it again later if it wasn't fully occupied. This created all sorts of problems of course, while the Native-Americans weren't all sitting around smoking weed and practicing peace and love. They could be quite brutal. Euro settlers were often the brunt of it, but prevailed because of greater numbers and vastly superior technology.
The vast majority of Native-Americans died of disease as a result of early interactions with Euro migrants. There's been some far left profs, who live to despise the US that have argued for a "genocide" via a contaminated blankets, which of course is also a big stretch while germ theory was hardly developed at the time.
Of course the story goes deeper, as the Native Americans didn't accept the legitimacy of these various international treaties, sales, purchases, whatever that are being hammered out here semantically.
Of course the story goes deeper, as the Native Americans didn't accept the legitimacy of these various international treaties, sales, purchases, whatever that are being hammered out here semantically.No they did not. They lost the war. Had to take what the Ke-mo sah-bee mother fuckers gave them. Does not mean they liked it or accepted it. Even after accepting there fate, the irony of karma returns to kick pale face in the ass.
In 1923, the height of the Osage oil boom, the Osage tribe earned more than $30 million in revenue.
Google: Osage Indian murders.
THAT is what mother fuckers of privilege do. If you do not have the power to match the aggression of those who would take from you then you are doomed. The mother fuckers of privilege make sure that is the case.
The problem with hate is that it affects judgement. You see that all throughout Sub's and JustTK's posts.That is a typical response to views that are different from theirs when born of privilege and without experiences in diversity of thought. Differences of views, perceptions and opinions are spun as "hate" and then dismissed just as The Villian has done in the 23 posts he is written in this thread previously.
Neither JustTK nor I hate the United States of America. We are both just good umpires. We are both calling it way we see it.
History: Is the study of past events, particularly in human affairs.. It is written by the victors. But anyone knows that when in a life or death conflict, there is no manifest destiny no cool and reasoned analysis. There is only the thought of acting in a way that protects and honors the individuals that have entered that conflict with you and getting all of your ass out of it intact.
Mother fuckers of privilege who have never held a gun or faced one don't know what the FUCK they are talking about when it comes to armed conflict. The examples they give are so fucked it makes me realize that it is just theory for them.
When someone fucking shoots at you, the first reaction is not one of hate, is one of WHAT THE FUCK, that mother fucker over there is trying to kill my ass! You don't hate, you just fight back. Only in the aftermath of a victory or at least a successful disengagement from the conflict can you analyze reasons for the actions.
If your position is the US has done some bad shit over the centuries, I won't quarrel with that.Then we have reached the only agreement that you will ever get out of me V man.
Polk started out by trying to buy the land. He sent an American diplomat, John Slidell, to Mexico City to offer $30 million for it. But the Mexican government refused to even meet with Slidell. Polk grew frustrated. Determined to acquire the land, he sent American troops to Texas in January of 1846 to provoke the Mexicans into war.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/grant-mexican-american-war/
Before anyone buys into any myths of the Native Americans all sitting in circles crossed legged smoking the peace pipe, do some studies of the warring and brutality, ritual tortures, etc. Of the Aztecs. Some tribes of what is now the present day US shared similar characteristics, warring among themselves. Yet the hyper demonization of Euros persists, and it's self-inflicted by our own biased academics, starting with the New Left in the 60's and 70's. It's the first thing tyrants like Putin picks up ands runs with when we complain about his behavior in Ukraine.
What do you mean much?
1. : a great quantity, amount, extent, or degree. She gave away much of what she owned. 2. : something considerable or impressive.
10-15% just doesn't come close. I see your on Language police duty again. A sure sign that you have no argument. I can use 'much; when I goddamn please, and certainly to mean 'considerable'. And it can be USD 1-2. 000.000 if I feel it qualifies as 'much'. Its up to me to decide, not you. You try to lay down an objective law on language use yet you use subjective claims like '10-15% just doesn't come close. ' to support your claim. You make urself look stupid Villainy.
I see your on Language police duty again. A sure sign that you have no argument. I can use 'much; when I goddamn please, and certainly to mean 'considerable'. And it can be USD 1-2. 000.000 if I feel it qualifies as 'much'. Its up to me to decide, not you. You try to lay down an objective law on language use yet you use subjective claims like '10-15% just doesn't come close. ' to support your claim. You make urself look stupid Villainy.Talk about looking stupid. Have you looked in the mirror lately?
Why don't you tell the truth? You shot your mouth off and didn't know what you were talking about. Something you do frequently. I happened to know the truth and called you out on it.
The Marshall plan was 85-90% grants and 10-15% loans (some grant money was returned so the percentages are not precise). You chose to write that "much of the monies were loans". Either that was deliberately dishonest or it was borne out of ignorance. Which was it??
I can see why you left the United States. There really isn't much of a future for someone who can't read, can't handle addition, suffers from conspiracy theories and advocates revisionist history.
Why did the The CMDR leave the United States of America?
I don't care. Does anyone?But you do care. That is why you wrote what you did in bold.
All I am doing is:
correcting your mistakes and misjudgements.More importantly, do I care what you think of me? No, not really. But I care, when you make a mischaracterization of who I am and my abilities based on the fact that you have never interacted with someone to whom you feel superior because you are man still immersed in the privilege you had while in the United States of America. You are now having an apoplectic fit because I am giving you pushback and will not yield. So, you dismiss my argument as hate and move on to being a Professor of English. GET THE FUCK out of HERE?
Colombia has a gringo monger go home program in full effect. Hope you don't get caught up. No privilege for you over there.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
I think that is still true as long as you don't interpret "all men" to mean only the male of the species. What you didn't grasp is that while "all men are created equal" that doesn't even come close to meaning that all men will end up equal. Native abilities, education and hard-work will separate the wheat from the chaff.No mother fucker, the majority of white people believe they are still superior than all others. Otherwise they would not have hyphenated Americans. There are not African Canadians or African French people. They are just Canadians or French. But not in the mother fucking United States of America. Nah, over in that mother fucker we got to identify everyone who is non-white. That is done in order to distract the citizens of the United States of America from the inequities of the current Plutocracy that runs the United States of America.
Please take your panties off and put on some big boy shorts. I am NOT a pronoun guy. But if you are please give me yours
All men should have equal opportunity (big tent) But that is not how it works. Here is how it really works:
The Justice Department sued Donald Trump, his father, Fred, and Trump Management in order to obtain a settlement in which Trump and his father would promise not to discriminate. The case eventually was settled two years later after Trump tried to countersue the Justice Department for $100 million for making false statements. Those allegations were dismissed by the court.
https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/495955920/donald-trump-plagued-by-decades-old-housing-discrimination-case
The defense rests
All I do is win, win, win, no matter what (What); Got money on my mind, I can never get enough ('Nough); And every time I step up in the building everybody hands go up; And they stay there (There) - All I do is Win, DJ Khaled.
Neither JustTK nor I hate the United States of America. We are both just good umpires. We are both calling it way we see it. Now we want to see some officiating regarding the African kings who traded war captives to the British during the Atlantic trade for guns and alcohol. This went on from the 15th up to the 19th century. While you are at it please blow your whistle on the slavery in Africa that still exists to this day. Now you see it, so call it, or you aren't the good umpire that you claim to be.
How do you like me now? Wink.
I can see why you left the United States. There really isn't much of a future for someone who can't read, can't handle addition, suffers from conspiracy theories and advocates revisionist history.
But you do care. That is why you wrote what you did in bold.Nope! My comment was supposition or conjecture which should not be confused with caring.
So, you dismiss my argument as hate and move on to being a Professor of English. I dismiss your arguments because they are wrong and trying to attack the person who points out your multitude of errors doesn't bolster your case. You misquoted one of my sources with respect to Florida and out of context but that was just hot air. The argument was about the Oregon Territory and your response was. 'crickets'.
Colombia has a gringo monger go home program in full effect. Hope you dont get caught up. Au contraire. I fully support that program. I meet a lot of visitors. A few are good guys but most of the rest, well. The sooner they leave the better.
No mother fucker, the majority of white people believe they are still superior than all others. Otherwise they would not have hyphenated Americans. There are not African Canadians or African French people. They are just Canadians or French. But not in the mother fucking United States of America. Nah, over in that mother fucker we got to identify everyone who is non-white. That is done in order to distract the citizens of the United States of America from the inequities of the current Plutocracy that runs the United States of America.Nah you aren't filled with HATE, Not you. BTW do you know the Choco department of Colombia? Residents of the area are called Afro-Colombianos. Just thought you might like to know that.
The Justice Department sued Donald Trump, his father, Fred, and Trump Management in order to obtain a settlement in which Trump and his father would promise not to discriminate. The case eventually was settled two years later after Trump tried to countersue the Justice Department for $100 million for making false statements. Those allegations were dismissed by the court. That really isn't a very impressive comment. The Trump family, starting with the draft-dodging grandfather have committed crimes a plenty. Fred (Donald's father) was arrested at a Klu-Klux-Klan rally. The only thing Fred taught Donald was how to cheat his creditors and his contractors.
In fact, let me amend something I said before. All men maybe created equal but they don't end up equal. Native ability, education and hard-work separate the wheat from the chaff. I neglected to mention inheritance. Donald's major accomplishment was being born with a silver spoon.
All I do is win, win, win, no matter what (What);Mostly, all you do is blather on and on and on. You certainly don't know (or understand) history. Perhaps you would do better if you wrote about things you do understand. By the way what would that be??
Colombia has a gringo monger go home program in full effect. Hope you don't get caught up. No privilege for you over there. Granted the word gringo is used in different ways, but it's worth noting that they don't want passport bros there either. But if he has enough money he has privilege. That's Colombia.
That said, you do yourself no favors living your life in victim mode. Now I expect you to tell us again about your Ivy League education and how rich you are.
How do you like me now?
Paulie97 since you are coming into the conversation very late without doing your home work read this:
All the developed nations engage in acts which are heinous but are considered to be in their national interest. When the Prince says hit that mother fucker in broad daylight. All the kings men went into the country and got it done. When Israel says: hit him. You better hope your name is not on that order cause you going to die. When the United States of America finds your ass a drone going to drop a missile trough the roof of your car, fly a cruse missile into your window or Seal Team 6 going to no knock your door to deliver a personal message from POTUS. That is just the way the world works.
Surely you are not excusing the many nations that came before the United States of America? I am not defending the United States of America. The idea is being proffered that USA is the only one one the world stage coming heinous acts outside of their country is a spurious one. Russia feels they are acting in their own interests right now. If China invades they will be acting in their own interests. We need the Japanese warrior class to return. This time dem boys be on our side. They going to be tearing some mother fuckers up and cuttin heads off!
Besides, USA is still does not support rights in their own country. I can apply to for political asylum from the USA. Because those who look like me are being gunned down in the streets by the Police for reasons. I fear for my life everyday I am in USA.
But I will argue that you ignore the most powerful forces on the world stage and that is economics. Follow the money. Makes war look like child play. Because war IS about economics.Completely nullifies your point.
Now we want to see some officiating regarding the African kings who traded war captives to the British during the Atlantic trade for guns and alcohol. This went on from the 15th up to the 19th century. While you are at it please blow your whistle on the slavery in Africa that still exists to this day. Now you see it, so call it, or you aren't the good umpire that you claim to be.
That said, you do yourself no favors living your life in victim mode. What me a victim? Last time you wrote about actually getting pussy in Colombia was March of 2024. I just got my dick sucked here in Pattaya. Sexy Thai girl wound up making me blow a load of splooge in her mouth and went to my bathroom to spit. Holla!.
I am only a victim in your mind. Now why don't you focus on hiring prostitutes where ever you happen to be in Colombia and writing a trip / life report rather than hating of people who have Ivy League educations and are rich. LOL. In that way both you and Villainy angry old men who for some reason or another choose to spill your vitriol about politics and other issues of your countries of origni in a forum with the purpose of sharing information on having sex with girls. A little be of debate keeps the mind sharp as man cannot live on pussy alone. But you too take it way too far. Pull up my posting history. I'm talking about pussy all the time.
Now I expect you to tell us again about your Ivy League education and how rich you are.I only need to tell you again about my Ivy League education if like a child you need to hear it again before you goto bed. As for being rich you have me confused with your fellow man of privilege Villainy. I tell people all the time I'm just a poor farang / gringo trying to make it in a Thai / Latin American world.
How do you like me now? Wink.I like you even more than before. Like the the car rental company back in the day, you are number #2, you try harder. LOL!.
but it's worth noting that they don't want passport bros there either.BTW what is a Passport Bro? Give me the Colombian government definition and your own, How do you and the Colombian government identify a traveler as such?
Your serve!
The argument was about the Oregon Territory and your response was. crickets'.Your argument not mine. The Oregon Territory was not a purchase. Full Stop!.
Nah you aren't filled with HATE. Well we have another point of agreement. Because I am not.
Mostly, all you do is blather on and on and on. You certainly don't know (or understand) history. Perhaps you would do better if you wrote about things you do understand. Well we are similar to each other in that regard. Except I am not man of privilege as you are.
By the way what would that be??I can propose the exact same question as you.
You live in the land full of pussy and yet choose to be an angry old man that spills his vitriol into ISG using his keyboard everyday instead of his seed into a sexy Colombian chica. SMH!.
You chose to write that "much of the monies were loans". Either that was deliberately dishonest or it was borne out of ignorance. Which was it??Neither. At pains to repeat myself, 'much' is a subjective word. You cannot dictate how and when I choose to apply that word. I know that 15% of the Marshall Plan was in loans. I also know that a lot of other money was loaned at that time which was not part of the plan. Again "a lot" is subjective, so don't try saying it wasn't.
And in any case, at pains to repeat myself again, you are honing in on a detail, dishonestly IMO since you constantly do it, to avoid addressing the bigger picture, which is that. The rest of the money, the portion that was not loaned. Was conditional - "We will grant you this money as long as you use it to buy our exports". Yep, super-altrusitic! And this is the approach the USA persist with at the IMF and WB, and this is why the South is switching to China since their help is less extortionate.
I dismiss your arguments because they are wrong Arguments cannot be wrong. They are only accepted or not accepted. Opinions cannot be wrong. The can only be agreed upon or not agreed upon and they can be changed also.
trying to attack the person who points out your multitude of errors doesn't bolster your case.Attacking me in the effort to strengthen your arguments does not help your case. But it does prove the lack of intellectual substance of your arguments illustrated by your attack on JustTK for use of language. That is some pedantic bullshit!
And stop crying over ad hominem attacks when you set the tone for our exchanges with this initial response to one of my posts:
It is fine that you have uninformed opinions, SubHumanYou sir are a mother fucking punch ass girly man passive aggressive *****.
I am only a victim in your mind. Now why don't you focus on hiring prostitutes where ever you happen to be in Colombia and writing a trip / life report rather than hating of people who have Ivy League educations and are rich.Stop jacking off. You aren't an Ivy grad. Own up Sub! Even an affirmative action admission would have graduated with a better understanding of history. Not only are you unable to read and comprehend, you are too lazy to proof-read your own posts. If your arguments were anything other than a manifestation of your prejudices and hatred you would be far more meticulous checking your posts before hitting "upload".
I only need to tell you again about my Ivy League education if like a child you need to hear it again before you goto bed. As for being rich you have me confused with your fellow man of privilege Villainy. I tell people all the time I'm just a poor farang / gringo trying to make it in a Thai / Latin American world.BTW let me enlighten you on a few other things. Paulie isn't exactly my "bud". We've gone at it more than a few times. His favorite "go-to attack" is to call someone a liar, especially when he gets caught in the contradictions of his own failed memory.
Also, I am neither "rich" nor "priviledged". Well, maybe, but that would require that we had some kind of understanding of how that would be quantified.
I just got my dick sucked here in Pattaya. Sexy Thai girl wound up making me blow a load of splooge in her mouth and went to my bathroom to spit.BTW a bit of friendly advice. I will start by saying I haven't spent any time in Thailand (other than a very short visit, long ago) but I had a friend who retired there decades ago.
You might want to be pretty careful about just getting blow jobs from your Thai beauties. There are a lot of ——- how shall I put this delicately —— gorgeous "women" who aren't configured the way you expect below the belt-line, if you get my drift.
Elvis 2008
08-24-24, 16:35
Granted the word gringo is used in different ways, but it's worth noting that they don't want passport bros there either. But if he has enough money he has privilege. That's Colombia.
That said, you do yourself no favors living your life in victim mode. Now I expect you to tell us again about your Ivy League education and how rich you are.American blacks going to Colombia and talking about privilege is one of the most hypocritical things there is. Maybe they should be paying reparations to Colombians. But yeah, SC claiming to be a victim is crazy.
After this, TK does not understand the American experience and how we choose our government, and our government serves (or is supposed to serve) us who pay for it. It is not meant to be altruistic.
In the Mexican American war, Congress, representing the people, decided to go to war. I think he does not he fully understands the history of our government and how we came about with what we did. The colonies got to experiment with government and chose the best. The first Colonial settlements were actually socialist disasters.
Of course the story goes deeper, as the Native Americans didn't accept the legitimacy of these various international treaties, sales, purchases, whatever that are being hammered out here semantically.After reading Empire of the Summer Moon, in Texas, the native Americans were stealing, raping, murderous terrorists. Texans worked the land and the Comanches looted them blind. When Mexico did not protect them from the raids, Texans formed their own country and later joined the USA.
And in the Western USA during the war, most people were thrilled to be under American not Mexican rule and the American army had very little resistance.
He wants to analogize the use of a gun pointed at someone demanding their Rolex in return for $1 dollar. That is a foolish analogy. More apt would be: Two people have guns drawn on each other, one says I want your Rolex for $1, the other says I really like my Rolex but I will sell it to you for $1 but I want your laptop and I will buy it for $2.V, this is the only part I object to what you wrote. In the Mexican American war, Mexico through the first punch, and we kicked their ass. It seems to have been swept under the rug but in the Mexican American war, the USA took over Mexico City despite the Mexicans having a huge advantage in troops. We did not put a gun to their hand to get the Rolex. We had everything they fucking owned in our possession and did not have to give them shit. What we did was fair and the territory was not only paid for with money but with the death of thousands of American troops.
There were very few Mexicans living in Arizona, California, New Mexico, and North of the Rio Grande river. In fact, the Mexicans invited Americans in to farm the lands in Texas as a buffer to the frequent Native American raids.
One of the things that colonists learned quickly was the importance of property rights to achieve wealth. If no one owns the land, no one is going to work and farm it, so that concept of no property rights the Native Americans advocate is boneheaded. The problem with the Mexicans is they used to talk the talk but not walk the walk with property rights. The concept that people wanted and chose a government which respected property rights seems to go over the heads of SC and TK.
And the worst was the Mexican prick General Santa Anna. He was in exile in Cuba, told the USA he would broker peace, and the USA provided passage for him to Mexico, and then he led the Mexican troops against us. Fortunately, he got his ass kicked.
V, this is the only part I object to what you wrote.
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He wants to analogize the use of a gun pointed at someone demanding their Rolex in return for $1 dollar. That is a foolish analogy. More apt would be: Two people have guns drawn on each other, one says I want your Rolex for $1, the other says I really like my Rolex but I will sell it to you for $1 but I want your laptop and I will buy it for $2. One hands over the Rolex, the other hands over the Laptop and takes the $1 net. They holster their guns and go to the bar to celebrate, both thinking they got the better of the deal.
His analogy about the gunman and the Rolex wasn't about the Mexican-American War. It was about the Transcontinental Treaty of 1821. In that treaty in 1821, Spain ceded their claim to the Oregon Territory (modern day Oregon, Washington, Idaho and parts of Montana and British Colombia). In return Spain wanted agreement on the boundaries of Texas to which the US agreed. The reason was that the Louisiana Purchase was drawn up with a not very accurate map and Spain valued their Texas property and wanted the boundaries clearly defined.
Of course, Mexico won their independence from Spain a few years later. Subby wants to claim that the US held a gun to their head to force that 1821 agreement with Spain. A bizarre concoction of fiction and fantasy.
It all started when I told both Subby and JustTK they were full of fertilizer when they claimed that the US land mass of today was almost all land grabs from wars or conflicts. It was easy to prove that more than 50% of the US land mass was purchased from European claim holders (I'm counting Russia as European here).
In the Mexican American war, Mexico through the first punch, and we kicked their ass. It seems to have been swept under the rug but in the Mexican American war, the USA took over Mexico City despite the Mexicans having a huge advantage in troops. We did not put a gun to their hand to get the Rolex. We had everything they fucking owned in our possession and did not have to give them shit. What we did was fair and the territory was not only paid for with money but with the death of thousands of American troops.
There were very few Mexicans living in Arizona, California, New Mexico, and North of the Rio Grande river. In fact, the Mexicans invited Americans in to farm the lands in Texas as a buffer to the frequent Native American raids.
One of the things that colonists learned quickly was the importance of property rights to achieve wealth. If no one owns the land, no one is going to work and farm it, so that concept of no property rights the Native Americans advocate is boneheaded. The problem with the Mexicans is they used to talk the talk but not walk the walk with property rights. The concept that people wanted and chose a government which respected property rights seems to go over the heads of SC and TK.
And the worst was the Mexican prick General Santa Anna. He was in exile in Cuba, told the USA he would broker peace, and the USA provided passage for him to Mexico, and then he led the Mexican troops against us. Fortunately, he got his ass kicked.See, I have to disagree with you about Santa Anna. He was a great general! Hahahaha. Given his numerical superiority and trained military, if he had been competent he might well have put down the Texas Revolution in 1835-36. Failing that he didn't do any better when he returned to lead the Mexican army in the Mexican-American war but in all fairness he probably had no chance in that war. He wasn't facing farmers and ranchers and a few stray immigrants, that time he was facing a well equipped, well trained US Army. Maybe this is where the phrase Fuck with the Bull, you get the horn came from?
US Navy Seals have an expression: It pays to be a winner.
When you win the war you write the history. No war crime trials. No review of your genocide. No review of your solders raping, pillaging, robbing ect. That is why it is so easy for the pale faces to have such a big smile as they look back on the glory days when they could just do what they wanted up in this mother fucker.
American blacks going to Colombia and talking about privilege is one of the most hypocritical things there is.What's up with that?
Fear of a Black Planet?
You are so privileged you think having a passport and the ability to use it is something I should be thankful for. Nothing could be further from the truth you mother fucker. That passport is my birthright just like you pale face mother fuckers posting up in here.
White men are the original passport bros. They had ships and guns and arrived on the shores of others and said hands up mother fuckers. We need slaves and while we are here we want to fuck your girls and we will give you some of this rum. And be happy about it ya bitches because we could just flat blast your ass and take everything.
We are doing this shit cause all men are created equal. Except for these slaves we are taking back to the United States of America. Holla!.
But yeah, SC claiming to be a victim is crazy.I am not claiming to be victim you white hoodie wearing mother fucker (YHWMF). We have tangled before Elvis and you have called me a socialist. I clapped back on your ass and you shut the fuck up about that shit. We can continue to tangle.
It is precisely because I busted my ass and learned how to operate as a capitalist in a society that is clearly racist in the United States of America that I have anything at all. I refused to be a victim. (NVDA up 887.5%) Oh shit!.
But you people, well ya got problems and issues. Because in the United States of America you not making enough babies that look like you. Pure demographics are going to change the nature of the United States of America. You and the Vman running all over the world fucking prostitues is is not helping the cause.
After this, TK does not understand the American experience and how we choose our government, and our government serves (or is supposed to serve) us who pay for it. It is not meant to be altruistic.I cannot speak for TK and neither can you. You can guess and make your bullshit suppositions but they are not facts. That is something you have a lot of problems understanding.
It is fine that you have uninformed opinions, SubHuman, just spend a few minutes checking. Or perhaps you belong the Elvis school of facts. If you say it, it must be true, despite the absurdity.This is what your boy thinks of you and me brother. With friends like this you don't need enemies.
The concept that people wanted and chose a government which respected property rights seems to go over the heads of SC and TK.Nothing goes over my head. But I am often amazed at your level of arrogance that you think that you can make declarations and that once you make them no others can comment. Not how it works here on ISG. If you want that go chill with your pale face friend in Russia and take your boy Trump with your ass.
Would anyone like to talk about the history of how Hawaii became a state?
Declares that the Congress: (1) on the 100th anniversary of the illegal overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii on January 17, 1893, acknowledges the historical significance of this event which resulted in the suppression of the inherent sovereignty of the Native Hawaiian people; (2) commends efforts of reconciliation initiated by Hawaii and the United Church of Christ with Native Hawaiians; (3) apologizes for the overthrow and the deprivation of the rights of Native Hawaiians to self-determination; (4) expresses its commitment to acknowledge the ramifications of the overthrow in order to provide a foundation for reconciliation between the United States and the Native Hawaiian people; and (5) urges the President to acknowledge the ramifications of the overthrow and to support reconciliation efforts.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/senate-joint-resolution/19
Facts are a terrible thing to waste!
since you are coming into the conversation very late without doing your home work read this
A Russia feels they are acting in their own interests right now. .How Russia "feels" is irrelevant. They felt like violating the Budapest Memorandum that they agreed to by invading Ukraine and occupying land within their 1991 borders. They also felt like killing off all viable opponents to Putin. They feel like murdering Ukrainian civilians while hiding their bodies, and kidnapping their children and placing them in re-indoctrination camps. This is all done with the nuclear saber rattling that the USSR avoided, along with a fanciful historical narrative that denies Ukraine's right to exist. This all calls for a response.
We live in a world of alliances, such as NATO, of which many former Soviet block nations asked to join because they reject the dark world that is Russia. Ukraine, though not a member is an ally, while likewise there's concerns about stability in Europe, and even more so of setting precedents where tyrants can get whatever they want by rattling a nuclear saber.
Your gross error is in equating Russian actions with those of every other nation in the world acting in their own interests, and that of their allies. In fact it's so grossly over simplified that your Ivy.
League education is quite questionable, while JustTK's YTU (YouTube University) degree makes perfect sense.
And to add to the silliness you want to reach back to the early 1800's, a very different world, and apply biased and at times fanciful narratives to current events. That's what brought me into the conversation.
And you ARE living life as a victim. You could start by just calling people you don't like "MFer," rather than "White MFer," then progress from there.
Completely nullifies your point.Constantly blustering around here claiming victory when you've won nothing just makes you look like a *******. Just a FYI, and I believe your doctoral committe at Yale would agree. Wink.
American blacks going to Colombia and talking about privilege is one of the most hypocritical things there is. Maybe they should be paying reparations to Colombians That's food for thought.
but it's worth noting that they don't want passport bros there either.
White men are the original passport bros. They had ships and guns and arrived on the shores of others and said hands up mother fuckers. We need slaves and while we are here we want to fuck your girls and we will give you some of this rum. And be happy about it ya bitches because we could just flat blast your ass and take everything.
We are doing this shit cause all men are created equal. Except for these slaves we are taking back to the United States of America. Holla!.
That's food for thought.Since you seem to be hungry for intellectual knowledge from non intellectuals. Here is some more food for thought Paulie97. And while we are at it why don't you answer the question below:
BTW what is a Passport Bro? Give me the Colombian government definition and your own, How do you and the Colombian government identify a traveler as such?
Your serve!Paulie97 you have gone silent. You entered the discussion. You made the statement. Now back it up or STFU!.
OK, OK let me see if I can explain it to you.
This is the "Stuipid Shit in Medellin" forum. If you can't abide by mindless banter, then by all means, feel free to leave.I agree with you Villainy.
Funny how everyone wants to re write what I said. But see the post above. This is where we are.
His analogy about the gunman and the Rolex wasn't about the Mexican-American War.Actually it was. If you go back and read my posts instead of trying to spin them you will see the connection I made.
What did the Oregon Treaty of 1846 do?
The Oregon Treaty of 1846 established the border between the United States and British Canada along the 49th parallel, splitting the British's vast territory called the Columbia Region and the United States called the Oregon Territory. It also dropped a line a little south to include all of Vancouver Island in the British section.
The British saw Polks stance as a challenge to the empires honor and a threat to British economic interests. As a result, London responded with their own threats. Officials declared the Royal Navy was prepared to commission a force in defense of Oregon that would overwhelm the U.S. Navy. As tensions mounted, both countries prepared for the possibility of war. In the summer of 1845 Washington offered a compromise. Polk put forward again the initial U.S. proposal to divide Oregon along the forty-ninth parallel. This placed Puget Sound on the American side of the border. The British rejected this offer, however, and Polk ceased negotiations.
https://education.cfr.org/teach/mini-simulation/oregon-boundary-dispute-1845
It all started when I told both Subby and JustTK they were full of fertilizer when they claimed that the US land mass of today was almost all land grabs from wars or conflicts. Villainy (I cannot get any pussy so that is why I don't write about it here) was wrong. Full Stop.
It was easy to prove that more than 50% of the US land mass was purchased from European claim holders (I'm counting Russia as European here).He not only failed to prove it. He has backed away from his initial statement redefining land mass and purchase in the process.
In this particular case it is not true. Villainy is lying about the entire conversation. And he is wrong. The United States of America received the majority of the land it sits on through the spoils of war or the threat of war. I have disputed two of the items that Villainy claims are purchases that are not. Thereby lowering the amount of land mass he claimed in the majority.
He simply did what he always does which is some stupid ass shit. But this the thread we are in. He wants to attack my ability to read, add and write. The ad hominem is the last refuge of the intellectually bankrupt. He is held up in that position like it is the Alamo with his boys Paulie97 and Elvis2000. Good luck fellas. I got the facts on my side and you guys are fighting a hopeless cause. But keep calling me names and implying things about me. If it gets you all the attention you need to feel better about yourselves each day, I support you fully and glad I can help you all out.
Hey Paulie97 you a mother fucker! You happy now *****!
Paulie97 your constant diarrhea of the keyboard spews into this thread on a constant basis. The one liners you think are so cute may make add to your post count and make you feel better, but they do nothing to further your arguments nor show that you have any shred of intelligence whatsoever.
Constantly blustering around here claiming victory when you've won nothing just makes you look like a *******.Been a very long time that I cared about what people like you think of me. My audience is not you. My audience is international. Besides I win your attention. Because for whatever reason your are not paying in attention to the chicas all around you in Colombia. Or you doing time in sex prison and are just passing time until you get a work release for you next trip to Colombia?
Just a FYI, and I believe your doctoral committe at Yale would agree. Wink.]Think further west. Atlantic Coast Conference. Undergraduate. Post graduate degree: Doctor of Conflict Resolution. I regulate with the best of them.
Or you doing time in sex prison You got it. I love most everything about where I am except the women situation, but can travel a few times each year. Nice, France is next, heading out in three weeks.
I can see why you left the United States. There really isn't much of a future for someone who can't read, can't handle addition, suffers from conspiracy theories and advocates revisionist history.Ad hominem attack implying that I am not equal as a fellow American. The most ironic thing about that statement is that Villainy left the United States of America because he was so lame he could not get pussy there. So he got his pension check and ran to Colombia to pay prostitutes so he could finally get off consistently with hot chicas. No hate. Just calling it the way I see it as a good umpire does.
Paulie97 But in your case you like the Vman want to look past the ratchet shit the government of the United States of America does and has done. Instead. You prefer to put on your short shirt and pick up your red, white and blue pom poms. You spend time up in here time pumping them up and down here like the head of a Thai Girl going down on my dick. Holla!
Neither you or Vman are interested in judging anyone by the content of their character. Your standard for judgement is how they write the King's English on a site where we are up in her to discuss how to get into the mouth, pussy and ass of girls (paid or unpaid with money as pussy is never free). Why exactly do either you think I give a fuck about what either of you think of me?.
In Latin America people describe individuals by how they look. I did not take offense when the police shouted at me "hey negro". Nor did I have to fear for my life because the guns were out as I do in the United States of America. Nothing has changed. In retrospect, having to find an different place to live is small slight compared to being gunned down in the street by racist police men all over the United States of America.
What you and the VMan both do is ignore facts that you don't like. You are both allowed to have your own opinions but not your own facts. So, argue all you like but you both make the logical fallacy of using the ad hominem attack when you disagree with someone. This is used often by you both simply because I think differently from either of you. Which is my right as human being.
You think I care about what you think about my IVY League education? (wrong coast on your guess by the way). I stopped worrying about what your people think of me the minute I emancipated myself for wage slavery and no longer had to answer to you people. Are you still a wage slave Paulie97?
A man with a documented history of discrimination against his fellow Americans became President of the United States. I think something like that is significant and should be pointed out. You cannot just ignore it because it represents a inconvenient truth for you to deal with.
This entire discussion has been loosely related to history. But then we get something like this from the man who lives in a land of plentiful pussy but is focused on dick:
You might want to be pretty careful about just getting blow jobs from your Thai beauties. There are a lot of - how shall I put this delicately gorgeous "women" who aren't configured the way you expect below the belt-line, if you get my drift.Once again the man is speaking of something he knows nothing about. I would put him in check about it but is a topic that is frowned upon in by the Administrator up in dis *****.
Maybe he should just read the Pattaya Reports thread. He might learn something. Maybe you both should. But both of you are not interested in learning or in a exchange of your ideas. You prefer to push your perception while failing to take a step back in order to gain some perspective.
Have you every thought that my experiences in the United States of America might have been very different from yours? Those experiences cannot be invalidated simply because they do not align with your or fit within your neatly defined perceptions. And they do not make me a victim. I am as far from being a victim as it get. I am up in here taking shit to you mother fuckers from the same position of privilege. Difference is that I earned it. But you mother fuckers just got born and it was declared that you have privilege. LOL!
I agree with you Villainy.It is about fucking time that you saw the light!
His analogy about the gunman and the Rolex wasn't about the Mexican-American War.
Actually it was. If you go back and read my posts instead of trying to spin them you will see the connection I made.It was about the Mexican-American war? Interesting! How did the US and Great Britain sign a treaty resolving disputes about the border between the US Oregon Territory and the British Columbia colony in 1846 if the Mexican War didn't end until 1848? Are you rewriting history and making Great Britain a participant of the Mexican-American war?? I think you got lost in your own version of the facts and are desperately trying to win an argument that was wrong from the outset.
What did the Oregon Treaty of 1846 do?
The Oregon Treaty of 1846 established the border between the United States and British Canada along the 49th parallel, splitting the British's vast territory called the Columbia Region and the United States called the Oregon Territory. It also dropped a line a little south to include all of Vancouver Island in the British section.
The British saw Polks stance as a challenge to the empires honor and a threat to British economic interests. As a result, London responded with their own threats. Officials declared the Royal Navy was prepared to commission a force in defense of Oregon that would overwhelm the U.S. Navy. As tensions mounted, both countries prepared for the possibility of war. In the summer of 1845 Washington offered a compromise. Polk put forward again the initial U.S. proposal to divide Oregon along the forty-ninth parallel. This placed Puget Sound on the American side of the border. The British rejected this offer, however, and Polk ceased negotiations.That treaty between the US and Great Britain defined the northern border between the US Oregon territory and the British colony of British Columbia.
But answer me this, Subbie. How did the US earn an equal position in that treaty? What happened to the Spanish claim which was antecedent by more than a century?
How did the US earn a position at the table with Great Britain to draw up an agreement on the border without the participation of Spain? Why wasn't Spain at the table?
Maybe you made another mistake and you meant for your Gun and Rolex misanalogy to refer to the US and Great Britain. Is that it?? Your theory is the US threatened Great Britain with a war in order to wrest away the Oregon Territory? Except that the Oregon Territory was already ceded to the US from Spain through the Transcontinental Treaty of 1821. That is the reason the US and Great Britain were dealing with each other over the border defining treaty.
At the time of the treaty of 1846 with Great Britain, the US was already involved in a war with Mexico so there was NO inclination to start a war with Great Britain at the same time. Nor were the British inclined to start another war with the US having already had two bad experiences in the last 75 years.
The British were also disinclined to fight a war with the United States over this territory, so they agreed to the terms of the Oregon Treaty. (It was a modified version of an earlier American proposal.) The agreement extended the border along the 49th parallel to the Pacific Ocean but kept Vancouver Island within British North America. It was also agreed that British subjects living in the Oregon Territory south of the 49th parallel would retain navigation rights on the Columbia River.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/oregon-treaty
So, to recap. The US purchased more than 1/2 the land mass of the current United States (Louisiana Purchase, Oregon Territory exchange, Gadsen Purchase and Alaska Purchase). So you and your homie JustTK can claim all these US lands were land-grabs or theft or whatever gives you a warm feeling but history isn't changing to help you guys feel better about blaming the US for all your failures in life.
Hey Paulie97 you a mother fucker! You happy now *****!Kind of a slimy thing to say. But I do give you credit for one thing SubCmdr. For years now I have had knock-down drag-out arguments with Elvis and Paulie. I don't think there is anything any of the three of us could agree on. Yet you and only you seem to have been able to pull the three of us onto the same side of an argument. Truly amazing!
In this particular case it is not true. Villainy is lying about the entire conversation. And he is wrong. The United States of America received the majority of the land it sits on through the spoils of war or the threat of war. I have disputed two of the items that Villainy claims are purchases that are not. Thereby lowering the amount of land mass he claimed in the majority. Villainy probably overstepped when he claimed that most of the land was purchased. Did you say "very little" was purchased? You were so quoted I believe, but that doesn't mean a lot here. If so then that could be an understatement. But what was the Native-American perspective? Did those living in the lands of the Louisiana Purchase believe France had a right to sell it? That's one example, but that's why I interjected the differing worldviews regarding land rights. These were also at the heart of many of the wars. Efforts were made to live peaceably together, but the different mindsets kept cropping up.
BTW let me enlighten you on a few other things. Paulie isn't exactly my "bud". We've gone at it more than a few times. His favorite "go-to attack" is to call someone a liar, especially when he gets caught in the contradictions of his own failed memory.BTW you aren't that sophisticated, as seen in your litany of quibbles here, but here's some enlightenment. The issue isn't memory, but arises when you get caught putting words in the mouths of others. The contradiction is with reality, as you disappeared when proofs of the authenticity of the several fake quotes you attributed to me were requested in my post to you on 3-16 this year. ISG search engine is your friend, but of course zilch, nada, thus no reply. I graciously accepted your silence as a retraction and moved on.
After an extended break with a long vacation I check in and nothing has changed. You were here the whole time, steadily insulting, name calling, and fighting to the end with about anyone who comes along. Here your own failed memory comes into play given all the "act like a gentleman" appeals you've made in the past while pining away about those who hang around attacking other members.
The Cmndr, JustTK, and surely the rest are getting a big kick out of your go to attacks as the self-appointed grammar and spelling policeman here. I actually felt a bit sorry for you, so added some new content as a bit of an assist, while I had a desire to deepen and broaden the discussion with some relevant historical content and current events. As you can see the conversation is taking off now while others have joined in. I'm glad that I helped facilitate a shift.
Neither you or Vman are interested in judging anyone by the content of their character. I can't speak for Paulie but I would happily judge you by the content of your character as soon as you demonstrate you have some.
What you and the VMan both do is ignore facts that you don't like. You are both allowed to have your own opinions but not your own facts. And apparently you think for God knows what reason that YOU and only you are the arbiter of what is and what is not a fact.
You think I care about what you think about my IVY League education? (wrong coast on your guess by the way).
Just as a point of curiosity, are you saying you didn't go to an East Coast Ivy? Like Paulie, that is what I would have guessed (assuming it were true in the first place).
You got it. I love most everything about where I am except the women situation, but can travel a few times each year. Nice, France is next, heading out in three weeks.Glad you found a place where life is good for you. I have too. Respect!.
But I do give you credit for one thing SubCmdr. For years now I have had knock-down drag-out arguments with Elvis and Paulie. I don't think there is anything any of the three of us could agree on. Yet you and only you seem to have been able to pull the three of us onto the same side of an argument. Truly amazing!Not really amazing. All of you wear Stars and Stripes short skirt and are pumping your red white and blue pom poms up and down. You three have united against me because of WHO I am not over the issues at hand.
Next, I am going to hear that the Civil War in the United States of America was fought over slavery. LOL!.
On June 11, 1963 Black students Vivian Malone and James Hood registered for classes at The University of Alabama despite then-Gov. George C. Wallaces unsuccessful attempt to block their enrollment.
https://www.ua.edu/about/history/desegregation/#text=On%20 June%2011%2 see%201963%20 Black, attempt%20 to%20 block%20 their%20 enrollment.
How Russia "feels" is irrelevant. They felt like violating the Budapest Memorandum that they agreed to by invading Ukraine and occupying land within their 1991 borders. They also felt like killing off all viable opponents to Putin. They feel like murdering Ukrainian civilians while hiding their bodies, and kidnapping their children and placing them in re-indoctrination camps. This is all done with the nuclear saber rattling that the USSR avoided, along with a fanciful historical narrative that denies Ukraine's right to exist. This all calls for a response.Sending billions overseas to fight a proxy war while cutting programs for me and my fellow low income Americans. Not down with it.
We live in a world of alliances, such as NATO, of which many former Soviet block nations asked to join because they reject the dark world that is Russia. Ukraine, though not a member is an ally, while likewise there's concerns about stability in Europe, and even more so of setting precedents where tyrants can get whatever they want by rattling a nuclear saber.They need to pay their fair share in treasury and manpower. My fellow Americans should not be dying on behalf of those unwilling to fight for themselves. I will make an exception for those who cannot fight for themselves.
And you ARE living life as a victim.Other than your personal opinion would you like to share with us how you came to this conclusion and why you think I am living my life as victim? Exactly, who victimized me?
I emancipated myself from wage slavery many years ago. I know that gives some individuals apoplectic fits to know that I am living just as well as many others because they believe that travel about the world is privilege reserved for themselves. But they need to just man up and deal with it.
I, I, I yes I want to spread the news
That if it feels this good getting used
Oh you just keep on using me
Until you use me up
Until you use me up - Use Me, Bill Withers.
BTW what is a Passport Bro? Give me the Colombian government definition and your own, How do you and the Colombian government identify a traveler as such? I refer you to YouTube. Colombia knows them when they see them, which is all that matters to them. At least a few have been pulled out of the immigration line at MDE recently.
Your serve!I think I just hit an ace down the tee while you guessed out wide.
Paulie97 But in your case you like the Vman want to look past the ratchet shit the government of the United States of America does and has done. Instead. You prefer to put on your short shirt and pick up your red, white and blue pom poms. You spend time up in here time pumping them up and down here like the head of a Thai Girl going down on my dick. Holla!That's called a straw man argument, meaning that you exaggerate my position and attack not me, but your caricature. As far as world empires go, the US has been pretty benevolent, supporting market economies and protection for our allies. Our economic system, though imperfect, is the best of the bunch. Your economic determinism leads us in a communist, or at least a strongly socialist direction, if you are looking for solutions. Most though just want to complain.
I also reject revisionist history. Many historians today use history as a launching pad for their political agendas. These usually are on the far left. They have degrees but aren't doing their jobs. For example not all slaves owners practiced brutality while many spent generously on medical care. This is confirmed from primary sources. Native-American tribes at times exerted extreme violence toward settlers. The opposite to all of this also applies, but the truth is a balance, not that of a hack prof or YouTuber cherry picking and applying it toward their modern political goals.
I'll add that there's a lot of very pissed off Native-Americans who've been baptized in a one sided tale. But the ones enjoying Casino money usually aren't among them.
Glad you found a place where life is good for you. I have too. Respect!.Thanks. I love Florida with a passion, but the road rage and women situation can be daunting. Flights to Latin America of course are easy.
BTW you aren't that sophisticated, as seen in your litany of quibbles here, but here's some enlightenment. The issue isn't memory, but arises when you get caught putting words in the mouths of others. The contradiction is with reality, as you disappeared when proofs of the authenticity of the several fake quotes you attributed to me were requested in my post to you on 3-16 this year. ISG search engine is your friend, but of course zilch, nada, thus no reply. I graciously accepted your silence as a retraction and moved on.
After an extended break with a long vacation I check in and nothing has changed. You were here the whole time, steadily insulting, name calling, and fighting to the end with about anyone who comes along. Here your own failed memory comes into play given all the "act like a gentleman" appeals you've made in the past while pining away about those who hang around attacking other members.
The Cmndr, JustTK, and surely the rest are getting a big kick out of your go to attacks as the self-appointed grammar and spelling policeman here. I actually felt a bit sorry for you, so added some new content as a bit of an assist, while I had a desire to deepen and broaden the discussion with some relevant historical content and current events. As you can see the conversation is taking off now while others have joined in. I'm glad that I helped facilitate a shift.Let me remind you Paulie. After one of our many arguments dragged on and on, I noted that if I was such an a $$, why did you keep wanting to get together for drinks. You swore you never did any such thing and I was a liar. Well that was a good gambit on your part. Because, as you suspected, I just kept eliminating your private messages. But low and behold, one of them I had overlooked and it was still in my mailbox. So I quoted it to you. You basically said it didn't exist. And I must be a liar because I didn't keep the 3 or 4 other messages you sent in order to prove it. I felt pretty bad. It seemed pretty clear that you are suffering from dementia or some other age related affliction and it wasn't really fair to keep piling on.
If you want to continue the fabrication that you never sent me private messages asking to get together for drinks, I still have the one I overlooked and didn't eliminate and I am more than willing to wager any amount that you can afford to pay.
Sending billions overseas to fight a proxy war while cutting programs for me and my fellow low income Americans. Not down with it.Those who get up early and go to work even when they don't want to tend to fare well. All who visit Colombia with a jingle in their pockets are a testament. Of course not all can work. Tell me about the programs that have been cut, and make a correlation to the war.
It's not a proxy war. Putin has long been sore about the lose of the Soviet Empire and made his move. Ukraine is a democratic ally, while we are concerned about our NATO allies nearby and the stability of Europe. We also back down at nuclear saber rattling at our peril. That would set a precedent for any tyrant to play that card to get whatever they want. Risks of nuke attacks are very small anyway, as Russia is short on allies and China is dead set against nuclear escalation.
That if it feels this good getting used
Oh you just keep on using me
Until you use me up
Until you use me up Use Me, Bill Withers.The master. The world isn't the same since he passed. This is my favorite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfcTgnpo3vI
Not really amazing. All of you wear Stars and Stripes short skirt and are pumping your red white and blue pom poms up and down. You three have united against me because of WHO I am not over the issues at hand...You might be right. Three personalities who cannot stand each other all got together and shared the expense to hire a private investigator to find out who and what you are so that we could attack any and everything that you say in a forum that virtually nobody reads.
Just as a point of curiosity, are you saying you didn't go to an East Coast Ivy? Like Paulie, that is what I would have guessed (assuming it were true in the first place).You are absolutely right. I am a complete fraud. I did not goto one of the 8 Ivy League schools.
I refer you to YouTube. Colombia knows them when they see them, which is all that matters to them. At least a few have been pulled out of the immigration line at MDE recently.
I think I just hit an ace down the tee while you guessed out wide.Not so fast my man!
Passport Bros: is the collective term for a movement among Western men who are increasingly pursuing mating and dating opportunities abroad. .
https://youtu.be/xZmd5G0jFik?si=IGxG_bkVOJUwLp28
Watch the video. Listen to the Doctor break it down for you.
That ace you thought you hit. Just returned it cross for a clean winner! 0 - 15.
You cannot fuck with me Vman so stop trying!
the US has been pretty benevolent
Would anyone like to talk about the history of how Hawaii became a state?
Declares that the Congress: (1) on the 100th anniversary of the illegal overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii on January 17, 1893, acknowledges the historical significance of this event which resulted in the suppression of the inherent sovereignty of the Native Hawaiian people; (2) commends efforts of reconciliation initiated by Hawaii and the United Church of Christ with Native Hawaiians; (3) apologizes for the overthrow and the deprivation of the rights of Native Hawaiians to self-determination; (4) expresses its commitment to acknowledge the ramifications of the overthrow in order to provide a foundation for reconciliation between the United States and the Native Hawaiian people; and (5) urges the President to acknowledge the ramifications of the overthrow and to support reconciliation efforts.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/senate-joint-resolution/19
Facts are a terrible thing to waste!
But the ones enjoying Casino money usually aren't among them.You cannot enjoy anything when you are dead.
Through the 1920s, an epidemic of killings and mysterious deaths terrorized the Osage Indians of northern Oklahoma. After their tribal land began gushing oil decades earlier, white fortune hunters descended on Osage territory in droves, looking for ways to take their property and tap their massive oil wealth.
https://www.history.com/news/osage-murders-reign-terror-husbands-guardians
How about that for an injection of perspective into the discussion?
the US has been pretty benevolentUnited Fruit; USA trains death squads; war on drugs;.
https://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-colombia-relations
Additional injection of perspective into the discussion
I refer you to YouTube. Colombia knows them when they see them, which is all that matters to them. At least a few have been pulled out of the immigration line at MDE recently.
I think I just hit an ace down the tee while you guessed out wide.Here is article from one of your many girlfriends in Colombia about Passport Bros.
So why are they all flocking to Colombia at the moment?
A few reasons.
Prostitution is legal. Most of these passport bros either hire prostitutes or try to wife them, and then they get eliminated.
Proximity to the US. Quick flights to Florida.
Women from the US suck, duh!
I must digress for a minute. Dating and falling in love with someone overseas is entirely appropriate; it happens.
However, when a specific person is searching for someone to be their slave, that is not okay.
https://vocal.media/confessions/passport-bros-expect-to-be-treated-better-in-colombia
Check out the picture the author of the article uses. But on Tic Tok and YouTube the images of Passport Bros are totally different. Speaks to the biases in the media, posters in this thread and you personally Paulie97. Be a man, tell me what a Passport Brother looks like. Better yet show me pictures or at least reports of the actions you report happing at MDE. Otherwise it is just more of your bullshit hearsay.
What is a mother fucker?
I looked it up in the dictionary and there were three references: Elvis2000, Paulie97, Villainy. It said a mother fucker is as a mother fucker does.. A group that otherwise hates each other but will unite against a common enemy that usually does not look like them. LOL!.
Elvis 2008
08-26-24, 10:22
Nothing goes over my head. But I am often amazed at your level of arrogance that you think that you can make declarations and that once you make them no others can comment.
White men are the original passport bros. They had ships and guns and arrived on the shores of others and said hands up mother fuckers. We need slaves and while we are here we want to fuck your girls and we will give you some of this rum. That passport is my birthright just like you pale face mother fuckers posting up in here.And yet my comment about Americans and black reparations went right over your head. Maybe you can ask Paulie what I meant seeing as how it did not go over his head like yours.
It is precisely because I busted my ass and learned how to operate as a capitalist in a society that is clearly racist in the United States of America that I have anything at all. I refused to be a victim. I am not claiming to be victim you white hoodie wearing mother fucker (YHWMF).
Sending billions overseas to fight a proxy war while cutting programs for me and my fellow low income Americans. Not down with it.
We have tangled before Elvis and you have called me a socialist. I clapped back on your ass and you shut the fuck up about that shit. We can continue to tangle.I think you conflated winning with my deciding you were not worth my time in responding as all you cared about was yourself and not what you are saying. For example, you criticize others for ad hummin attacks and then engage in them. You claim not to be a victim while crying about getting less in the ways of handouts. And after getting handouts, you claim to be a self made man.
But you people, well ya got problems and issues. Because in the United States of America you not making enough babies that look like you. Pure demographics are going to change the nature of the United States of America. You and the Vman running all over the world fucking prostitues is is not helping the cause.
I cannot speak for TK and neither can you. You can guess and make your bullshit suppositions but they are not facts. That is something you have a lot of problems understanding.TK and I were against what the USA government was doing with Covid. Paulie and V were more in alignment with it. IOW, I have agreed and debated with TK for years. Just like I tire with Democratic douche issues and Republicans are all bad, TK thinks USA bad all the time.
But again you think my being a white hoody mother fucker and worried about demographics are a reality? Again, you pull that out of your ass and claim to be speaking facts which makes me wonder if you even know what the word facts means.
For the record my grandfather was an artisan who ran a very profitable business until it was stolen from him from the Bolsheviks. My father's family left what would be the USSR and settled in the Middle East as refugees. My father came to the USA with a handful of bucks in his pocket and worked his tail off to be a success. On my mother's side, my grandparents were never wealthy and went through the Great Depression. As talented as they were, they set up roadblocks and put down the wealthy. I heard comments like rich people do not clean their houses and if you have a car like that, I guess you think you can park at where you want. My mother marrying my father was her rejecting those thoughts.
My father grew up with nothing and literally begged for food, and you have the nerve to call someone like him privileged while he is paying for all your lazy asses? And you were griping about not getting more of his money? And the reason you are calling him privileged is because of his skin color? That means YOU are the racist one.
If someone wanted to say that I had privilege with regards to the parents I had, the country I was born in, and the time I was born, I would not object. I did feel lucky and privileged about all those things but being white? That is the stupidest thing I ever heard. You see I have heard the same bullshit about not making it from the blacks today that I heard from my mother's parents.
As for the future in the USA, I could give a fuck what race the USA ends up being. What I know is if the USA veers from being a meritocracy it will be in trouble.
And my generation was integrated. If you could not work with or serve people of other races, you were not going to go far.
FWIW, the rate of incarceration of black women and white men is equal. When you compare black men to white women, the rate of incarceration is 100:1. So if anyone should feel guilt about white privilege, and from what I have seen the white people who do, are the white women. But you are not getting anywhere pedaling this white privilege and history rewrite bullshit with me.
And yet my comment about Americans and black reparations went right over your head. Maybe you can ask Paulie what I meant seeing as how it did not go over his head like yours.Not down with the YHWMF inside jokes. You are free to enlighten me in anyway you choose.
It has been a long time since I have been in the United States of America. They are giving repatriations to my fellow Americans who just happen to be black now? I remember something about 40 acres and a mule back in the day. If they want to do that I will take my 40 acres along Las Vegas Blvd and my mule by John Deere (Electric model). ROTFLMAO!.
I think you conflated winning with my deciding you were not worth my time in responding as all you cared about was yourself and not what you are saying. If I don't care about myself, who is going to? Have have number of people that are depending upon me for their well being. I have long since cared about what you people think about me. You are barking up the wrong tree. YOU LIE! And you cannot back up anything you say.
For example, you criticize others for ad hummin attacks and then engage in them. Below it the very first post where I became aware of your existence:
And the problem with you Medellin morons is you inspire other morons, and here is one.
All hookers are hookers but all johns are different? I cannot make up something this fucking stupid.
Does this idiot get the concept of supply and demand or is he another socialist that he thinks that he deserves better service because of his virtue signaling?I had written a post that was not even directed at you. This was you comment about it. You then when on to continue to call me dumb and stupid many times. THAT is why when I deal with someone if they engage in ad hominem attacks I do also. Besides mine are funny and not ill intended.
You claim not to be a victim while crying about getting less in the ways of handouts.I am not in the 1% The United States of America is a Plutocracy. White man living in a trailer park has nothing in common with Trump. Yet for some reason thinks Trump is a man that will do something for him. I don't understand it. Because Trump will only do things for Trump and it has nothing to do with race.
Obama was a great president. But he did not do anything for me an American that was black other than turn the economy around and I made a lot of money in the stock market. Enough that I could fund my move to the Dominican Republic 12 years ago. But that money was made through good stock picks. No one helped me with that. No one busted their ass earned, did without saved and invested the capital other than me.
I live overseas Elvis. Full time. No amount of words you type out is going to change that. No one hands me money. I earn every single bit of it myself. Because I have people dependent on me and I hand out much more to others than I spend on myself. But that is on me and my life choice.
So, put your founding complaints in the refrigerator cause I don't want to hear them. You don't like how you representatives are running your government in the United States of America, contact them.
And after getting handouts, you claim to be a self made man.The only handouts I have received have been from great men. I stand on their shoulders. The great men of my family to include my Father and my Uncles. Who taught me how to be a man, who gave me a work ethic. And by the way, there were some great men, white men, in the work place and neighbors who provided positive input and teaching in my life. I value people not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I would be happy to value you in the exact same way.
I would happily judge you by the content of your character as soon as you demonstrate you have some.
TK and I were against what the USA government was doing with Covid. Paulie and V were more in alignment with it. IOW, I have agreed and debated with TK for years. Just like I tire with Democratic douche issues and Republicans are all bad, TK thinks USA bad all the time.This has nothing to do with me. You are barking up the wrong tree. I got no dog in the fight.
But again you think my being a white hoody mother fucker and worried about demographics are a reality? Again, you pull that out of your ass and claim to be speaking facts which makes me wonder if you even know what the word facts means.I know the difference between speaking facts and opinions. In our exchanges very few facts are referenced.
My father grew up with nothing and literally begged for food, and you have the nerve to call someone like him privileged while he is paying for all your lazy asses? Paying for my lazy ass. ROTFLMAO. Please elaborate on that one, And while you are at it please show me where I mentioned your Father even once. I am not the type of man to disrespect the parents of another man.
And you were griping about not getting more of his money? And the reason you are calling him privileged is because of his skin color? That means YOU are the racist one.In my opinion, it is impossible for a black man in the United States of America to be a racist. I've never owned a slave. Non of my ancestors owned slaves (that I know of).
If someone wanted to say that I had privilege with regards to the parents I had, the country I was born in, and the time I was born, I would not object. I did feel lucky and privileged about all those things but being white? That is the stupidest thing I ever heard. You see I have heard the same bullshit about not making it from the blacks today that I heard from my mother's parents.Was not in your position. So I cannot speak to your issues. But if you are tying to say the United States of America is not racist then tell that to my Father (RIP).
My Father who while in the US Navy, wanted to become a member of the UDT (precursors to the SEAL Teams). After enduring all the and-word can you even swim bullshit. The last test for meeting the qualification to attend the school was the obstacle course. They made him run it 7 times. On the eight time he was slower than the time he needed to qualify. They rejected him.
My Father shared that story with me in order to instill in me that I needed to be 10 times better than the white boys just to get the same thing that they got. Throughout my professional career this was true. But I finally was able to emancipate myself from being a wage slave. Now, I make a decision and code puts money into my account or it takes it away. No one knows who I am nor can they insert themselves into the system and take away what is mine. If I make a bad call I pay. I am the only one responsible for that the decision. Life would have been very different from me if equal reward would have been in play for equal results while I was a wage slave.
Those who get up early and go to work even when they don't want to tend to fare well.I do not think that is true. The Heritage Foundation claims there is a cost of living crisis in the United States of America. I don't live there. No plans to live there in the future. So, I can only go by what I read and what my friends tell me. And the news I get is not very good. Just saying.
https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spending/commentary/kamala-harris-you-cant-run-americas-cost-living-crisis-and-your
Sorry, I cannot advocate wage slavery to anybody. My life would have been very different if I had of learned how make my money work for me instead of working for my money long time ago. The ironic thing is that I read the books. I knew of the concepts. I just couldn't get them to work in my youth. I'm sure it was me. There is no one else to blame. But wow, what a difference now that I have figured it out.
As for the future in the USA, I could give a fuck what race the USA ends up being.I can respect that. I don't give a fuck about the USA either.
What I know is if the USA veers from being a meritocracy it will be in trouble.You are out of luck there my friend. The United States of America was a Plutocracy from the get.
Started by a bunch of rich white land owning males who got tired of paying tribute to a man across the ocean who right to rule was derived by the girl who push him out of her pussy.
I'm sure the meeting went something like this:
Hey that mother fucker over there want some more money. Nah, fuck that mother fucker. I'm over here, putting my slaves to work, making moves, stacking my flow and that mother fucker wants a bigger cut. Fuck that shit! What that mother fucker do to earn. He didn't buy these slaves. He does not get up every morning early and whip that ass so they produce. No, I am doing all of that mother fucking shit. Fuck him. Who's with me? Give me that mother fucking pen. I am signing that shit!
And the Declaration of Independence was born And later the Republican party. LOL!.
And my generation was integrated. If you could not work with or serve people of other races, you were not going to go far.OK!
Let me remind you Paulie. After one of our many arguments dragged on and on, I noted that if I was such an a $$, why did you keep wanting to get together for drinks. You swore you never did any such thing and I was a liar. Well that was a good gambit on your part. Because, as you suspected, I just kept eliminating your private messages. But low and behold, one of them I had overlooked and it was still in my mailbox. So I quoted it to you. You basically said it didn't exist. And I must be a liar because I didn't keep the 3 or 4 other messages you sent in order to prove it. I felt pretty bad. It seemed pretty clear that you are suffering from dementia or some other age related affliction and it wasn't really fair to keep piling on.
If you want to continue the fabrication that you never sent me private messages asking to get together for drinks, I still have the one I overlooked and didn't eliminate and I am more than willing to wager any amount that you can afford to pay.Though it would be simple to fake something like that as it's outside of the ISG forum and search engine, I acknowledged that that PM quote may well be genuine. You already posted it, and I replied on 3-16. Go read it. It's the only post I made that day. I did look to meet up during the pandemic, as I plainly acknowledged in my post to you on 2-11 this year, for our views on Covid were similar. But the PM quote you shared was from 2022 as you noted, thus that cuts against your claim this year that I was actively trying to meet up. That ship had long sailed. I changed my mind. Why is obvious. Why not go back to my post to you from 3-16 and answer it point by point? There's a number of actual misquotes identified, while proofs of validity were requested. And they are completely unrelated to any meet up request that you just botched again. Use the ISG search engine, as if you go to making something up now, like some long lost quote from the PM box that you never presented before when repeatedly confronted with the same BS, you'll just look like a fool.
I could sling the dementia mud back, but I think you are just a sleaze that says whatever you think sounds good at the moment. When confronted you pile more insults and BS on top of it as you just did, while hoping I move along and give you the last word. That may ultimately happen regardless. Guys like you are common, especially in monger circles and are worth only so much time. Alcohol might also be involved, as most 3rd World expats I've come across are drinking themselves to death.
Post is from 3-16. Got get um tiger, point by point. Wink.
Got get um tiger, point by point. Wink.That is right. 120 MPH body serve. You could just barely get out of the way of it.
no alcohol was poured for the creation of this post
How you like me now?
That is right. 120 MPH body serve. You could just barely get out of the way of it.
no alcohol was poured for the creation of this post
How you like me now?Are you in the DR? I think you need to go get laid. If everyone here eventually decides to stop spending time on you, will you really feel like you've won something?
P.S. My serve was 163 MPH, Sam Groth. I inspired you to drop the questionnaire format and go do your homework, which you did. That was my objective.
How do you like me now?
Again I have to point out that your memory is really deteriorating. Here, allow me to demonstrate it to you and everyone else.
Gee Paulie why is it then that you send me messages every so often wanting to meet?And what did you say back then??
That's pure fiction, aside from once early in the pandemic, 2020.You and I haven't seen eye to eye for years. Why would anyone here believe that I'm now actively asking you to meet up?
11-10-2022 Message from Paulie97.
"I'll be there early next week, will gladly meet you anywhere you like, and I'll even buy the beer. " and there were others.What did you say?
I don't recall that one, but assuming this isn't pulled out of your ass, and you really have messages so old, then you've just confirmed yourself a liar again. That's because since that's the soonest you have, then I'm certainly not at present trying to meet up with you as claimed.Now, lets fast forward to today (or was it yesterday).
Though it would be simple to fake something like that as it's outside of the ISG forum and search engine, I acknowledged that that PM quote may well be genuine. I did look to meet up during the pandemic, as I plainly acknowledged in my post to you on 2-11 this year, for our views on Covid were similar. But the PM quote you shared was from 2022 as you noted, thus that cuts against your claim this year that I was actively trying to meet up. When did you acknowledge that that PM quote may well be genuine.? You never did that, did you?
First you said it was pure fiction. Other than once in 2020. I pointed out that you sent me several requests asking to meet. I normally discarded PMs from you. Why on earth would I keep them? But, solely by coincidence I happened to have missed one. And so I quoted it to you. What was your "acknowledgement that it might be genuine?
You said maybe "I pulled it out of my ass" and that proves I was a liar because I didn't save other PMs to prove you were full of excrement.
Even today you can't be honest. It would be simple to fake something like that as it is outside the ISG forum and search engine. Kind of a desperate argument, don't you think?
I would have to be able to create a message, show it as coming from you and then enter it into my PM mailbox. I suppose there are some tech hackers that could do it easily. BUT answer me this. If I was that skilled at hacking, why didn't I create 5 or 6 more messages from you and place them in my InBox and then show them to ISG members I know, so that they could confirm that you were a liar?
So your next argument is (today) well that message was from November 2022. You can't prove that I sent more messages asking to meet after that. Again, you sent me a message asking to meet in 2023 (I'm not sure if it was 1 or 2) but I didn't save your PMs, I didn't realize at the time that you would deny having sent them and I would need proof to show you to be suffering from dementia or just being dishonest. (You have not sent me any PMs asking to meet up in 2024. At least that much is true).
Are you in the DR? I think you need to go get laid.Check my posting history if you want to know where I am right now. You will find that I am getting way more head and pussy and any of the sex prison mother fuckers serving time until their next work release. You do realize this is all in good fun, right?
You got it. I love most everything about where I am except the women situation, but can travel a few times each year. Nice, France is next, heading out in three weeks.Paulie97 The only thing you have inspired me to do is use the term mother fucker more frequently in reference to you and all other mother fuckers like yourself. LOL!.
I inspired you to drop the questionnaire format and go do your homework, which you did. That was my objective.Do yo honestly believe I care about what any of you people think about me. The majority of individuals I know in the game do not fuck with ISG. If fact I have made a friend out of an individual that used to verbally tangle with me all the time right in this RANTS. The Administrator allows me to push back against you people here. I like that!.
It should be noted that quick review of recent posting history has others biting my style. The greatest form of flattery. You never address the issue you brought of about the Passport Bros.
How do you like me now?No more nor no less than before Remember a mother fucker is what a mother fucker does and is what you continue to do. you have been served!.
Cause we don't, don't give a fuck, and We won't ever give a fuck until you; You give a fuck about me; And my generation - My Generation, Limp Bizit.
These white boys kept it 100!
Again I have to point out that your memory is really deteriorating. Here, allow me to demonstrate it to you and everyone else.
And what did you say back then??
What did you say?
Now, lets fast forward to today (or was it yesterday).
When did you acknowledge that that PM quote may well be genuine.? You never did that, did you?
First you said it was pure fiction. Other than once in 2020. I pointed out that you sent me several requests asking to meet. I normally discarded PMs from you. Why on earth would I keep them? But, solely by coincidence I happened to have missed one. And so I quoted it to you. What was your "acknowledgement that it might be genuine?
You said maybe "I pulled it out of my ass" and that proves I was a liar because I didn't save other PMs to prove you were full of excrement.
Even today you can't be honest. It would be simple to fake something like that as it is outside the ISG forum and search engine. Kind of a desperate argument, don't you think?
I would have to be able to create a message, show it as coming from you and then enter it into my PM mailbox. I suppose there are some tech hackers that could do it easily. BUT answer me this. If I was that skilled at hacking, why didn't I create 5 or 6 more messages from you and place them in my InBox and then show them to ISG members I know, so that they could confirm that you were a liar?
So your next argument is (today) well that message was from November 2022. You can't prove that I sent more messages asking to meet after that. Again, you sent me a message asking to meet in 2023 (I'm not sure if it was 1 or 2) but I didn't save your PMs, I didn't realize at the time that you would deny having sent them and I would need proof to show you to be suffering from dementia or just being dishonest. (You have not sent me any PMs asking to meet up in 2024. At least that much is true).Yes, I acknowledged that I requested to meet up during the pandemic.
On this thread, 2-11 this year, and in reply to your claim that I was actively trying to meet up I said: "That's pure fiction, aside from once early in the pandemic, 2020. " The first phrase denies that I was currently trying to meet up. The second acknowledges such a request in the past.
Yes, I acknowledged that the 2022 quote could be genuine.
On 3-16 this year on this thread, I replied to you regarding a 2022 quote from a PM you said you received from me with a request to meet up, "I don't recall that one, but assuming this isn't pulled out of your ass, and you really have messages so old, then you've just confirmed yourself a liar again. That's because since that's the soonest you have, then I'm certainly not at present trying to meet up with you as claimed. ".
You're given the benefit of the doubt, while the quote only works against your claim in February this year that I was actively trying to meet up. It defines nothingburger.
You posted a PM quote before and didn't need a hack. Could you have posted any words that you wanted? Why would you need a hack now?
I practically never delete my sent messages. I'll delete some received ones once in a blue moon if I think my box may be near to full, but that's rare. PM conversations are few nowadays. There's three to you in 2022, all in the month of November. Only one mentions meeting up. There's none since.
I bet a lot of young healthy as a horse guys here can't remember PMs from years ago, and especially the content thereof. They'the have to go look. Your cheap shot at seniors is ironic since you are well up in your 60's yourself.
I'm sorry that I'm such a bad guy as to cause you to delete your imaginary messages from 2023. I'll try to do better next time.
Upon further review there's only one sent message from Nov 2022, and three from Mar 2023, but none of the latter mention anything about meeting up. Those are probably the ones that you hastily deleted.
Check my posting history if you want to know where I am right now.You're getting kinda snippy there commander. It's about a sure bet, that someone who feels so important online on a thread like this isn't important at all in the real world. Sheesh.
It should be noted that quick review of recent posting history has others biting my style. The greatest form of flattery. You never address the issue you brought of about the Passport Bros.It should be noted that I told you to go do your homework, and you did. I commend you for that. That's why I'm here, as you were putting the cart before the horse. You can thank me, then go back to sharing your opinions.
How do you like me now?
Cause we don't, don't give a fuck, and We won't ever give a fuck until you; You give a fuck about me; And my generation - My Generation, Limp Bizit.They are wrong, outside the desire to avoid the no talent noise. We don't want to listen to those rap rock perversions, with a rapper on stage screaming "fuck this, fuck that" over and over playing fake rock. In 100 years Limp Bizkit will be forgotten, while the Stones, Beatles, and Van Halen and many others will be remembered. Do you also like Kid Rock? LOL.
How do you like me now?
Actually I don't give fuck what you people think of my musical choices.
They are wrong, outside the desire to avoid the no talent noise. We don't want to listen to those rap rock perversions, with a rapper on stage screaming "fuck this, fuck that" over and over playing fake rock. In 100 years Limp Bizkit will be forgotten, while the Stones, Beatles, and Van Halen and many others will be remembered. Do you also like Kid Rock? LOL.Address the Passport Bro issue. You have failed to give a definitive way that you or the Colombian Government identifies who is a Passport Bro.
How do you like me now?No more nor less than I did before.
You happy now *****?
If you want to continue the fabrication that you never sent me private messages asking to get together for drinks..False, and proven false in yesterday's post. I certainly did acknowledge is, though well in the past during the pandemic. One lie confirmed.
So what about your claim in a post early this year that I was then actively trying to meet up? False again, while you bring no proof of any imaginery PMs from 2023 or 2024 containing any meet up requests. Even if you did it wouldn't prove anything, as you can type up any content you like and say it's from a PM from yours truly.
Simple mistakes? Anything is possible, but given how many times you've put words in my mouth, the smart money is on lie.
Perched over a laptop lying on the internet is a lousy retirement goal. Find something better to do. Wink.
I like you no more nor less than before. Asked and answered Paulie97. But feel free to make yourself feel better by putting others down. You pay for pussy in foreign countries because you cannot get any in your county origin.
Paulie97's team song.
I can't get no satisfaction; I can't get no satisfaction; 'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try; I can't get no, I can't get no
Look in the mirror before you decide to be critical of others. Cause you be projecting! LOL!.
You're getting kinda snippy there commander. It's about a sure bet, that someone who feels so important online on a thread like this isn't important at all in the real world. Sheesh.Long since cared about what you people think about The CMDR. I am unimportant in the real world. Anonymous. Invisible. Just the way I like it.
As I said, this is all in good fun. Like practicing with a hitting partner on a tennis court. The goal is not to win. But to keep the ball in play as long as you can and practice your shots.
It's all good
Outro
Yo, I know you ain't talkin' to me (Illin'); Man, you ain't sayin' nothin' (Illin')
False, and proven false in yesterday's post. I certainly did acknowledge is, though well in the past during the pandemic.Let me see. You confirmed you asked me to meet you during the pandemic in 2020. You finally acknowledged that you sent the request to meet in 2022. That is the one that I quoted.
BTW I am still holding it in my Private Messages if you want to make a wager as to its authenticity.
One lie confirmed.OH so you are admitting that you lied about the invitations to meet? There were more than the ones in 2020 and 2022. You sent me a total of at least 4 in 2020,2021 and 2022. (I think one in 2023 but I am not positive about that and I discarded the private messages you sent asking to meet). BTW why did you keep messaging me? Besides the ones asking me to meet you for drinks you messaged me about this guy was a bad guy and that guy was a bad guy and why did I associate with that guy and Elvis was such a dick and on and on.
Didn't you say that you only had 2 friends in the world? I wonder why that is. You must be pretty lonely Paulie. Say, have you been asking SubCmdr to meet for drinks too? Is that why you were asking him if he was in the DR now? How many other people on ISG have you asked to meet you for drinks? Lonely much?
Sorry, got to go Paulie. I am moving into a new apartment and I have some packing to do, which is far more interesting than responding to your drivel.
OH so you are admitting that you lied about the invitations to meet? There were more than the ones in 2020 and 2022. You sent me a total of at least 4 in 2020,2021 and 2022. (I think one in 2023 but I am not positive about that and I discarded the private messages you sent asking to meet). So not taking your word for the content of old PMs you said you deleted years ago is lying in your world? And you wonder why so many here consider you an a $$? LOL You confirm here that I wasn't actively trying to meet up with you early this year as claimed, other than to speculate about an imaginary message from 2023 that you aren't sure about. That's all I needed to hear. The most recent is from 2022. Thanks for the retraction. You could have said that from the start and saved yourself the gymnastics.
BTW, my post to you from 3-16 this year, where you are challenged on numerous misquotes of myself still awaits. All are unrelated to any meet up requests. You won't find any proofs in the ISG search engine, while perhaps you can imagine some more content from long ago deleted posts from three to four years ago. Give it a go! LOL.
Didn't you say that you only had 2 friends in the world? Aside from family, yes I did, which is normal for about half of Americans according to an NPR study I posted. Two "true" friends is worth more than 1000 drinking buddies. But a wait a sec. The reason you brought up the matter of the meet up request here recently was to try and prove that you aren't an "a $$. " But that horse long left the stall. And that was on the heels of fighting with about everyone on this thread, with spelling and grammar police as the go to attack while calling a known black guy "subhuman. " That and the rest is so disjointed it makes me suspect the pink stuff that your bestie Osteoknot so immerses in, or at least heavy alcohol use.
Sorry, got to go Paulie. Good idea. Less time on the internet fighting and you might muster up a friend down there, or at least a Colombian that pretends if gifts keep flowing.
If you want to continue the fabrication that you never sent me private messages asking to get together for drinks...Is that a lie?
You sure abandoned that in a hurry after checking my reply to you from 2-11 this year, in response to your claim that I was actively trying to meet up. "That's pure fiction, aside from once early in the pandemic, 2020. ".
So you can remember the content of lost PMs from four years ago, but not a conversation from this February?
What about this?
Again, you sent me a message asking to meet in 2023 (I'm not sure if it was 1 or 2)...Is that a lie?
Then two days ago you say: "I think one in 2023 but I am not positive about that and I discarded the private messages you sent asking to meet. ".
WTF, from surety to flimsy speculation. You can't even keep your story straight regarding content from a week ago, much anything that lost in space for four years.
From 2-6 this year:
Gee Paulie why is it then that you send me messages every so often wanting to meet? Is this a lie? I suppose you could twist yourself in knots and argue that a PM from 14 months prior then silence on the matter ever since qualifies as "every so often," but even you don't seem to want to go there. That's seen in the fact that you are so desperate to come up a with PM request from 2023.
The quote from 2022 is genuine based on my review of sent PM messages, so either I mistook the year, or there may have one from 2020 as well. Perfectly normal in memory matters, while you're all over the place with proof of only one message. Then we have additional misquotes and assorted nonsense from you all over the 3-16 post this year myself to you that melts your credibility. Get to work on that, will ya? Or stay in your lane and stick to spelling and grammar police.
After one of our many arguments dragged on and on, I noted that if I was such an a $$, why did you keep wanting to get together for drinks. You swore you never did any such thing You are an a $$, if only for doubling down on stupid BS three times. I "swore" I never did that, really? Not according to you.
First you said it was pure fiction. Other than once in 2020. .I guess you didn't like the second sentence. Well too bad! LOL.
Even today you can't be honest. It would be simple to fake something like that as it is outside the ISG forum and search engine. Kind of a desperate argument, don't you think? I would have to be able to create a message, show it as coming from you and then enter it into my PM mailbox. I suppose there are some tech hackers that could do it easily. BUT answer me this. If I was that skilled at hacking, why didn't I create 5 or 6 more messages from you and place them in my InBox and then show them to ISG members I know, so that they could confirm that you were a liar? What on earth is this inane drivel people? You had already typed out PM content here attributed to me. It can't be verified because ISG doesn't provide search capacity for PM content. Duh ROFL Who needs a hacker?? I already responded to this, but notice how this guy just ignores all the content where he's made to look like a fool.
You had already typed out PM content here attributed to me. It can't be verified because ISG doesn't provide search capacity for PM content.Duh ROFL Who needs a hacker?? Gee, Paulie I have the PM sitting in my Inbox. You probably also have it sitting in your sent box. Did it say word for word what I quoted? If you say no. I am still open to a wager for any reasonable amount you would like (reasonable being something you will pay off when you lose). Just say the word. We can agree on a person to look at my laptop PMs and decide who is telling the truth. OK Paulie, Own up or pay up.
Elvis 2008
09-03-24, 02:37
BTW why did you keep messaging me? Besides the ones asking me to meet you for drinks you messaged me about this guy was a bad guy and that guy was a bad guy and why did I associate with that guy and Elvis was such a dick and on and on.Is this an attempt to get me on your side? LOL. Sorry, V, you have made your bed with me and now you have to lay in it.
I am glad you took my advice and got an apartment. Of course, you would never say I was the reason why right? LOL.
Gee, Paulie I have the PM sitting in my Inbox. You probably also have it sitting in your sent box. Did it say word for word what I quoted? If you say no. I am still open to a wager for any reasonable amount you would like (reasonable being something you will pay off when you lose). Just say the word. We can agree on a person to look at my laptop PMs and decide who is telling the truth. OK Paulie, Own up or pay up.Gee Twitainy, this is pretty clear isn't it?
The quote from 2022 is genuine based on my review of sent PM messagesPut down the bottle, the pink stuff or both. Maybe you passed out, then woke up and forgot what you just read. I'm getting a little worried about you. I know you probably need money, but you'll have to find another way.
The idea that I was right about a message during pandemic but mistook the year is perfectly plausible. We only know about one. While the issue of how many were sent is an irrelevant Red Herring. It's been almost two years since I mentioned anything to you about meeting up, while today you're still an a $$.
Roll the credits.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Red-Herring
Is this an attempt to get me on your side? LOL. Sorry, V, you have made your bed with me and now you have to lay in it.
I am glad you took my advice and got an apartment. Of course, you would never say I was the reason why right? LOL.I think he was probably more trying to drive a wedge between us because he was scared of getting double teamed, but this is too easy. I had his quotes from the 3-16 post he won't answer locked and loaded, where he claimed that I said sometime in the past to work for minimum wage and to have no higher education, among other nonsense and spelling police. I don't have the heart now. Maybe all could take a journey out into the stratosphere and find that proof floating around in his archive of long lost PMs.
Actually I don't give fuck what you people think of my musical choices. Look up Jimmy Hendrix Voodoo Child, Live in Maui, then Santana Soul Sacrifice, Live Woodstock, then compare to Limp Bizkit. That's for starters. See what you think.
Address the Passport Bro issue. You have failed to give a definitive way that you or the Colombian Government identifies who is a Passport Bro. I don't have a definitive answer. It was tongue in cheek when I said "they know them when they see them. " You'll have to ask the Colombians. What do you think? I identify them by their own identification.
There's a book up in Amazon:
Black men's path to self and love PASSPORT BROS: THE NEW MOVEMENT.
Then again some articles on the subject don't make a racial identification.
Honestly, if I'm going to study something out today, this isn't high on the list.
You pay for pussy in foreign countries because you cannot get any in your county origin. Paulie97's team song. I can't get no satisfaction; I can't get no satisfaction; 'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try; I can't get no, I can't get noStones were in their 20's when they wrote that. Pussy is usually less of a priority into your 60's. I could go down to Colombia for a month tomorrow if I wanted to, but there's no obsession.
Is this an attempt to get me on your side? LOL. Sorry, V, you have made your bed with me and now you have to lay in it.
I am glad you took my advice and got an apartment. Of course, you would never say I was the reason why right? LOL.No, Elvis please do not think that Paulie calling you a dick (or something of that ilk) was an attempt to enlist your aid. Of all the BS that comes off Paulie's keyboard every once in a while, something he says is pretty much correct. AND btw dont start talking about you me and beds I am not into guys or narcissists.
As to getting an apartment, I did that 1 1/2 years ago, I just moved into a different place that I like better. If I knew that that was your advice, I certainly would have rethought the whole thing. But now that you mention it, there are a lot of tricky things to circumvent when renting an apartment and I'll write something about it in one of the other forums. Depending on your experiences in Cartagena you might consider doing the same.
In Pattaya now. Lots of options. Massage girl for happy ending, girl in a Gentleman's club for a dick suck or fuck or a freelancer from Beach Road or Thai Friendly.
I am sixty years old and I ejaculate with the assistance of a lovely lady here Pattaya, Thailand every fucking day.
Pussy is usually less of a priority into your 60's. If you don't brother maybe you should get your testosterone checked.
Gee Twitainy, this is pretty clear isn't it?
Put down the bottle, the pink stuff or both. Maybe you passed out, then woke up and forgot what you just read. I'm getting a little worried about you. I know you probably need money, but you'll have to find another way.
The idea that I was right about a message during pandemic but mistook the year is perfectly plausible. We only know about one. While the issue of how many were sent is an irrelevant Red Herring. It's been almost two years since I mentioned anything to you about meeting up, while today you're still an a $$.
OH so now you admit the message from 2022 was true, without any of the denials or attempts to claim I made it up. NOW you say that when you sent me a "can I meet you?" message in 2020 during the pandemic, you forgot and it was really the message in 2022, even though the pandemic was in the rear-view mirror in November 2022.
You see Paulie, now you are admitting to two times you asked me to meet. What about the other times? Did you send me a message asking to meet everytime you came to Colombia on vacation? I know it was 4 or 5 times in total. How many will you admit to? Or maybe I should ask: How many do you remember? Check that "sent items" folder in your private messages. I really understand that you are very sensitive and can't remember whom you invited to meet and have drinks. It is ok.
Say, remember begging Jjbee62 for a meeting? He actually met you. I think he did it out of pity. Clearly, he is a nicer person than I am. OH wait. You got into fights with him also, didn't you. You accused him of lying all the time as well. I guess everyone is a liar except you. Is that right Paulie?
I mean you have time to write Gabacho a novel but no time for my recent posts. But my advice is to stop lying, if you can pull off a miracle. It's just like your pal Vegas Jeff, lies upon lies in self-aggrabdizement, and when that fails lie some more. Why on earth would you listen to someone like that more than 5 minutes? So, let me see if I can summarize you with a few observations.
You're retired (congrats on that) you are a man of modest means, you have 2 friends, almost everyone you argue with is a liar, you asked me to meet you for drinks twice (that you admit to. Even though it was 4 or 5), you ask other people to meet for drinks, you went out drinking with hookers in bars and were shocked that you got drugged and robbed.
Instead of sharing the incident with the community (possibly alerting someone else to avoid a similar fate) you wanted to keep it a secret. I guess you thought it reflected poorly on your judgement. You couldn't help sharing the incident with an individual (probably looking for sympathy for being stupid or naive) and then you attack the person and get outraged that he shared what in your mind was a secret.
Is that a fair picture of the clown known as Paulie97?
I don't have a definitive answer. It was tongue in cheek when I said "they know them when they see them. " You'll have to ask the Colombians. What do you think? I identify them by their own identification. PASSPORT BROS: THE NEW MOVEMENT. Then again some articles on the subject don't make a racial identification.
Passport Bros: is the collective term for a movement among Western men who are increasingly pursuing mating and dating opportunities abroad. Passport Bros are not about race But there are those lame ass mother fuckers who would like to make it about race. It is a movement to improve one the quality of girl available to western men. Full Stop. But on ISG it is used as a dog whistle phrase by our closet racists. Example Below:
As far as Passport Bros that is the guys who used to go to the DR, but they ruined that, and then they first went to CTG, and now have discovered MDE. One of their main habits is (making it rain) To me that is a mark of disrespect. Oh how I hate You Tube.Or like the guys below the need a scape goat to blame their inadequacies and inability to keep up with changes in the market place on others.
I have met girls who used to charge, let's say, 300-350 around the pandemic or shortly after, and now charge double or even triple, but the reason for that is the booming of passport brosmovement and tourism in general. Everything is up, rents, food, etc. No wonder they start charging more.
There is some anti-America vibes though, since we have dickhead passport bros and scummy tourists screwing things up for the respectful tourists.
Every measure they are taking in Cartagena and Mde realistically is to get rid of the blatant sex tourists that publicize and embarrass their country. Ie Passport Bros and YouTubers.Now, I did not bring up the subject of passport bros. You people throw the term around and when I call mother fuckers out on it I get non answers because they know what they mean by it but they don't want to actually say it. Real men speak directly to each other. Not this passive aggressive girly man bullshit!
Here is my identification process:
White men are the original passport bros. They had ships and guns and arrived on the shores of others and said hands up mother fuckers. We need slaves and while we are here we want to fuck your girls and we will give you some of this rum. And be happy about it ya bitches because we could just flat blast your ass and take everything.
We are doing this shit cause all men are created equal. Except for these slaves we are taking back to the United States of America. Holla!.
Elvis 2008
09-04-24, 01:21
As I said, this is all in good fun. Like practicing with a hitting partner on a tennis court.Fun huh? Is that why you bookmarked where you got all butt hurt from my calling one of your comments stupid over a year ago?
And did you answer any of my questions or did you sulk off like a little beetch? I am sure in your own mind you gave a brilliant answer but that is not what happened.
You have such a victim mindset you did not get that your being born in the USA and having a fully functioning stock market were your privilege, and you do owe the white men who set up the country and the financial systems. That is not something Colombians have or had. Their market like most of third world ones is notoriously corrupt. But you are so used to playing the victim card, when someone calls you privileged, it goes right over your head.
And then there is the stigma of the Passport Bro. You hate that people of your race go on line and blab about a passport being a birth right as if their passport cannot be taken away with ease. You think that is not you but your profile may as well be listed in the dictionary as to what a passport Bro is.
You trash the USA, say pussy is pussy, show no loyalty to the home country, and then proclaim to have the "right" to a passport. George Carlin did a comedy routine about rights versus privileges, but I suspect you never saw that either. Talk about people poking the bear.
You are here saying pussy is pussy, and you are so full of yourself, you did not get how horrible that makes you look. Yes, by all means, let us objectify women. Oh yes, you are "supporting" women letting them use their pussies instead of doing meaningful labor. What country would not want a man like you to come into their country?
But just so you know, the only thing we have in common is playing the same game. Your analogy is tennis. Okay, fine, then I was trying out for Wimbledon while you play at the empty high school gym with some average scrub but you think we are on the same court with the same goals. LOL. Who said that? You did. You go for the 6 over the 10 because you are going for the "experience". You think this makes you look good but it shows what a loser you are.
How come you did not go for the women who is a 10 and performs like one? Because you are a quitter and a loser. Those are your words. You are too lazy, too sensitive, too much of a baby to play on the big stage.
I have used the steak and hamburger analogy before. I like burgers and prefer a good burger over a crummy steak like most here I would assume. Thing is a burger is easy and if it is crummy, it is no big loss. That is getting a 6 (and your 6 is probably my 4). When you get a steak, it is more expensive, takes much more time, and it may involve getting dressed up and having a reservation. You are risking time and money. However, unlike restaurants or the well reviewed hooker world in the USA, often in Colombia, you are on your own, and chances are that 10 you hoped for is not going to be what she looked like or is going to have an attitude or totally be about the $$ When you shoot for the stars, the falls are going to be frequent and nasty. In fact, most here are going to discourage you from doing so, but that is what it is like playing on the big stage.
For what it is worth, I went through and got the "legitimate" American pussy. What a joke that was. I told my ex the difference between you and hookers is you take my money, decide when and if we are going to have sex, and then make me feel badly. Hookers take my money, do things my way, and leave me satisfied albeit in a fast food kind of way. When the American women got the vote, one of the first things they did was outlaw the legal American hooker. They will try to do the same with the passport Bros and getting pussy abroad. Instead of holding American women's feet to the fire and saying I would not be seeing hookers if you performed, American men play nice with the lazy ass American women and make fun of the men playing abroad, and THAT is you SC!
I did not go abroad because I could not score at home, and it is not like I had to pay for it. If I wanted to fuck the fatties or average women, I could. What I wanted was top of the line and I found it looks and performance wise in the USA. It just cost $ and there were always character flaws with said women. They would perform well for a few months and then slack off. If you want to talk privilege, it cannot get any higher than the American woman who thinks she deserves the world for putting out her pussy.
I went abroad because of the quality of women I got for the price was beyond anything I could get in the USA. It may have started off as my looking for sex and her looking for $ but time and again, the women wanted to go legitimate and do so not in name only, and the idea did not repulse me. Unlike in the USA where the women outlawed the hooker competition, monogamy is not the default. With 3rd world women, before I committed, a woman would have to look better, be better in bed, not be a fucking drag, not insult me when things went wrong, do what she said she was going to do, handle things on her own when I was not there, and fuck me whenever I wanted if I were near without question. That was the cost and if no woman met it, and I suspected no woman would, I would play the field.
In other words, if you want me to give up hamburger and all other steaks, you have to make it worth my while. Your steaks have to be better than anyone else's. That is what I was talking about when I put you down and your pussy is pussy comment. If you say tennis is tennis, then you are never going to make it Wimbledon.
But like with most things, I do not think you can acknowledge the possibility that someone is better than you at something, and this too will go over your head.
That is what I was talking about when I put you down and your pussy is pussy comment.No, you put me down because of your lifelong belief in the privilege you acquired because of where your mother pushed you out of her vaginal canal. Actually, it has been such a long time since I have cared about what you people think of me that the only time I even remember that punk ***** lame ass mother fuckers such as yourself exist is when I look at ISG.
Why do I need to answer your questions Elvis? Answer some of mine. Why did call me a socialist? Why when I present my knowledge of economics from the country of origin we both share you simply ignore the data I present to you? Why do you try to reduce me to your level? Exactly how am I a victim in the long run? Lastly, why do you care so much about so many things that do not matter? You seem to have a lot of time on your hand for being such a mother fucking high achiever? LOL!.
NVDA: 108.02 Up 724.5% since I purchased it. NASDQ has taken a beating lately. You people be fucking up the program. Obama did shit right!.
I am not a man roaming around the country to country trying to pay the most I can to compensate for my inability to operate as a real man then bragging about it on ISG in order to make myself feel better like you are. If you truly are a international traveler you should know that those of us who are not wage slaves and actually live overseas spend so little time thinking about how to get pussy as for it to be a complete non issue in our lives. It is only those who want to be like us. Who want to achieve what we have achieved that talk shit up in here in ISG about pussy.
Are you saying that Pussy is Pussy is me being misogynistic?
misogynistic: strongly prejudiced against women.
Now I don't know if you were suffering from a chemical or mental imbalance when you wrote that in your post. But can someone tell me how they use the misogynistic in reference to a fellow ISG brother?
Does one not not realize this is a site dedicated to sharing information on having sex with girls. How does a mother fucker come up in here and use a word that should only come out of the mouth of the hardest hard core feminist? Is my country so fucked these days? Are real men so few and far between?
Fun huh?Yes, that is what I said. It is all in fun. You and clown car crew trio are the only people who are taking this seriously. LOL!.
I am sure in your own mind you gave a brilliant answer but that is not what happened.
You think that is not you but your profile may as well be listed in the dictionary as to what a passport Bro is.Sorry brother, but I have to bust your image of me. The first passport I ever received was diplomatic passport issued to me as representative of the government of my country of origin. Had one since before the "white boys" coined the term because they hated the fact that other people of privilege in their country that did not look like them were traveling just like them. You know the ones that look just like you they are the ones that came up with the term. LOL!. Reference is made to the description of the "original passport bros".
But just so you know, the only thing we have in common is playing the same game.This I am very happy about. I don't know you, but from just your posts I am very happy I am not like you.
Your analogy is tennis.It sure is. But I never said I was a professional at it or ever tried.
But you were not trying out for Wimbledon. Far from it. Because long before you get there you have established that you can play at that level. Meaning that you are a professional.
What is the difference?
As a professional you get paid to play the game. As an amateur you play to play the game. So just like with pussy you have ALWAYS been an amateur paying to play the game. Take your I pay more for my prostitutes so they are better than your argument to someone who actually wants to here it like Miami Boy.
I had no problem fucking girls from my country of origin. Not why I left. I was tired of my country origin. Always had a dream of living overseas. After I emancipated myself from wage slavery I exercised my pursuit of happiness.
I went abroad because of the quality of women I got for the price was beyond anything I could get in the USA.I decided to live overseas because I wanted to try it. It was a life long dream that kept me going through my years of wage slavery. A life of wage slavery where I had to take shit on a daily basis from men who looked like you. Those who thought they were intrinsically better than I was because of what they looked like after they got pushed out the vaginal canal of their mothers.
Ultimately, I put my country of origin in the rear view mirror because the quality of life that I developed for myself is far superior than any I ever had in my country of origin. For me that is priceless.
For the mother fuckers who don't like my musical choices I give you this outro:
Networks at work keeping people calm; You know they murdered X; And tried to blame it on Islam; He turned the power to the have-nots; And then came the shot - Wake Up, Rage Against the Machine.
These white boys kept it so mother fucking real!
But like with most things, I do not think you can acknowledge the possibility that someone is better than you at something, and this too will go over your head.Elvis you are nothing but a puck ass ***** mother fucker who coasted through life not putting in real work. You have ridden the wave of white privilege you entire life and that is why you are brushing your knees on the ground hoping for is reelection.
For the record, the only thing that goes over my head has wings or rotors. You have neither. So nothing you ever write will ever go over my head. Slither by my like the snake you are, yeah that happens.
There are a lot of people that are way better than me than a lot of things. But there is one thing that on one is better at: My Life. From where I am sitting right now, my life looks pretty good right now.
but wait, there's more!
LoveItHere69
09-05-24, 04:39
SUBCOMMANDER.
So much to do in life but you choose to live so much of your time living in the "Stupid Shit" sections of several sites. So sad. So pathetic. Speaks volumes about who you are.
OH so now you admit the message from 2022 was trueThis was done twice by myself. Your reference here is to the second time, which was on the afternoon of 9-2. And you replied to a different post I uploaded after it mocking you for the hacker silliness, thus this 9-2 acknowledgement of the 2022 message was there for you to read. Oblivious to that you come again demanding a wager.
I also acknowledged the same 2022 request to meet back on 8-29.
I practically never delete my sent messages. I'll delete some received ones once in a blue moon if I think my box may be near to full, but that's rare. PM conversations are few nowadays. There's three to you in 2022, all in the month of November. Only one mentions meeting up. There's none since.This was slightly modified the same day after a second review of my PM box sent messages, as there were actually three from March 2023 with no meet up requests, while the one from 2022 that had such a request remained the same.
And you confirmed the above 2022 acknowledgement on 8-31.
You finally acknowledged that you sent the request to meet in 2022. That is the one that I quoted.Yet after two acknowledgements by me and confirmation from you, you're still demanding a wager while insisting that I was denying the genuineness of the quote. I hope it's just the pink powder, but strongly suspect some age related deficiencies.
Before you get too distracted by all these contradictions of your own failed memory, this bears repeating.
The idea that I was right about a message during the pandemic but mistook the year is perfectly plausible. We only know about one. While the issue of how many were sent is an irrelevant Red Herring. It's been almost two years since I mentioned anything to you about meeting up, while today you're still an a $$.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Red-Herring
While you are here, would you like to provide proof that I made these statements about myself? There's three indirect quotes within these messages. Looks to me like you don't know how to debate, but only make stuff up and attack via your fabrications. Once the pomp and bluster are obliterated, you're only a little weasel standing around screaming with your pants around your ankles.
As to your employment, you stated once before that you had no advanced education (which is pretty evident from the plethora of grammatical and spelling errors you publish) and that you had no financial resources of any note.
As I recall you mentioned being a near minimum wage worker...These quotes are not only absent of any truth but are hilarious. But what should we expect from a guy whose go to attack is spelling and grammar police?
Lies beget lies and more lies, but this time your work is really cut out for you.
even though the pandemic was in the rear-view mirror in November 2022. Gee Twitainy, there was still quite a number of daily new cases rumbling in late 2022, about on par with 2021 at the same time. Deaths were decidedly down, but still significant. See attachments. This while the US and WHO didn't end the health emergencies until May of 2023 when the cases began to flatline. Even then some specialists in the field weren't sure if that Spring lull would hold up. Too bad no one got your memo then that the pandemic was long over. That's especially considering how adept you are at historical analysis here in Stupid Shit having called a known black guy "subhuman" even close to a discussion of the Constitution and the Three-Fifths Clause. Wink Twitany is the the man, so when he says the pandemic is over, it's over! LOL.
Say, remember begging Jjbee62 for a meeting?.There's no rescuers in sight man. First you summon Elvis, now JJBee62. The best thing daddy can do for you is let you fight your own battles. It's very late in the game, while it's never too late to become a man.
Everyone knows why you want to change the subject to unrelated talking points that were thoroughly litigated long ago. So answer this post and my prior one from this morning point by point. Thus far you've been running around squealing with your pants down for over a week now. Or you can go away while keeping an eye out for some spelling and grammar errors to correct.
Open message to LoveItHere69.
I appreciate all the love you give me by reading and responding to my posts. I like to write in these sections because the Administrator allows greater leeway when it comes to expression. I see that you enjoy that since you are a ready of this section and many others all around ISG.
SUBCOMMANDER.What's up LoveItHerte69? Did you ever figure out how to get laid in Thailand? I saw that you were having a little problem on Soi 6. Then your problems seemed to just continue in Indonesia. Now you seem to back again. Are things going better for you in Colombia?
So much to do in life but you choose to live so much of your time living in the "Stupid Shit" sections of several sites.Actually, I don't live here. If you ask me where I live I live wherever I lay my head at night. I work on my computer and when I have down time I compose my messages. I type 70 words a minute and my brain runs way faster than that.
So I don't have a lot of trouble composing messages off line then posting up on ISG. This one to respond to you took me less than five minutes. I am writing it while waiting for my food to be delivered to my room. Food that my ATF has ordered for me without me even asking because she couldn't come over and cook for me tonight. Holla!.
So sad. So pathetic. Speaks volumes about who you are.Sad for me LoveItHere69? If you are not living the way I am living I am sad for you. From your posts I know absolutely positively your are not.
I am sixty years old and I ejaculate with the assistance of a lovely lady here Pattaya, Thailand every fucking day.How do I know this?
Because the last 10 posts you have made you are not talking about fucking. But you are talking about other people fucking.
Why on earth do you feel the need to keep mentioning Magnum Bareskin? Are you a sales rep or think guys here are impressed?Get back to me when you file a report about actually fucking my man. Until then keep my handle out of your posts you punk ass ***** mother fucker.
Tell em to make room in the clown car. We got a live one here that wants to ride shotgun!
You're retired (congrats on that) you are a man of modest meansThanks for that. It's been worth the journey. Yea modest = middle, median but it looks like you are lessor. You come here claiming that you almost retired to Spain, but decided to put up with 3rd World infrastructure for the coffee. That's even though Colombia's best is typically exported. You could be sitting by the Mediterranean with few if any beggars about, eating off the charts food, drinking the best coffee, protected by police that the locals don't swarn and beat up, and they won't go away for $20. You could walk around at night, while an ambulance will show up in ten minutes rather than an hour if at all. You could do hot escorts of a wide variety of nationalities, including Eastern Euros and the cream of the crop of Latin America. And you wouldn't even have to give up pretending on the internet as you could do that from there as well. LOL.
While you are here, would you like to provide proof that I made these statements about myself? There's three indirect quotes within these messages. Looks to me like you don't know how to debate, but only make stuff up and attack via your fabrications. Once the pomp and bluster are obliterated, you're only a little weasel standing around screaming with your pants around your ankles.
These quotes are not only absent of any truth but are hilarious. But what should we expect from a guy whose go to attack is spelling and grammar police?
Lies beget lies and more lies, but this time your work is really cut out for you.Here Paulie let me help you out. Didn't you recently say you were in your 60's and just retired? Didn't you say you were a man of modest means? How does a man in the United States work until he is in his 60's and describe himself as a man of modest means? I worked in finance. Allow me a second to illustrate my point.
If you started saving when you were 25 years old. And just put $1 a day (every day) in a low cost index mutual fund. Historically the S&P 500 has averaged about 8% over time. When you retire at age 65 you would have $80,000 and BTW I just assumed a 7% return over those 40 years. That is just $1 a day or $30 a month. You might have saved $5 a day or $150 a month and then you would have had $400,000.
So, when you say you are of modest means, the inescapable conclusion is that you weren't well educated and acquired no highly useful skills, I. E. A minimum wage type job. Sure you probably earned more than minimum wage given years of experience doing menial work but still.
A person with an education and meaningful work could easily save much more than my examples. Using Warren Buffett's advice. You would have used a low cost index fund like Vanguard and you could not help but build a small fortune without knowing the least thing about how to select stocks. Even a Paulie could have done this.
So how did you end up being Paule? No education? No discipline to save your money? No friends? Look at the life you made for yourself LOSER.
Thanks for that. It's been worth the journey. Yea modest = middle, median but it looks like you are lessor. You come here claiming that you almost retired to Spain, but decided to put up with 3rd World infrastructure for the coffee. That's even though Colombia's best is typically exported. You could be sitting by the Mediterranean with few if any beggars about, eating off the charts food, drinking the best coffee, protected by police that the locals don't swarn and beat up, and they won't go away for $20. You could walk around at night, while an ambulance will show up in ten minutes rather than an hour if at all. You could do hot escorts of a wide variety of nationalities, including Eastern Euros and the cream of the crop of Latin America. And you wouldn't even have to give up pretending on the internet as you could do that from there as well. LOL.That's why I take vacations.
Elvis 2008
09-05-24, 18:27
No, Elvis please do not think that Paulie calling you a dick (or something of that ilk) was an attempt to enlist your aid.It is funny how Paulie totally understood what I meant, and my comment went way over your head. You and SC are making Paulie look like a damned genius.
Of all the BS that comes off Paulie's keyboard every once in a while, something he says is pretty much correct.Paulie has called me much worse than a dick on the public forums. Unlike you and your "friends", I can handle it and do not go bawling to an administrator.
As to getting an apartment, I did that 1 1/2 years ago, I just moved into a different place that I like better. If I knew that that was your advice, I certainly would have rethought the whole thing.Facts are facts, but you and I am sure your ad hominem bullshit has gotten in the way of getting the best out of your life. You were bragging about your Holiday Inn and I told you I had an apartment that would be listed as a luxury suite in a hotel and I was paying $750 a month for it. Your little ego could not handle my having something better than you, and then and only then did you get off your ass and look around. What is so fucking sad is that I predicted how you would behave and predicted you would think getting an apartment was all your idea.
But now that you mention it, there are a lot of tricky things to circumvent when renting an apartment and I'll write something about it in one of the other forums. Depending on your experiences in Cartagena you might consider doing the same.Okay, so now you are pretending I did not get an apartment before you did? You think I do not have an apartment now? Man, Paulie is right about you. You literally block out all facts that you do not want to hear or remember.
Elvis 2008
09-05-24, 18:50
Thanks for that. It's been worth the journey. Yea modest = middle, median but it looks like you are lessor. You come here claiming that you almost retired to Spain, but decided to put up with 3rd World infrastructure for the coffee. That's even though Colombia's best is typically exported. You could be sitting by the Mediterranean with few if any beggars about, eating off the charts food, drinking the best coffee, protected by police that the locals don't swarn and beat up, and they won't go away for $20. You could walk around at night, while an ambulance will show up in ten minutes rather than an hour if at all. You could do hot escorts of a wide variety of nationalities, including Eastern Euros and the cream of the crop of Latin America. And you wouldn't even have to give up pretending on the internet as you could do that from there as well. LOL.It is funny you say that Paulie. For the longest time, I had crossed Europe off my list because I had spent most of my time in France. You might want to look at Spain or Portugal instead. Anyway, I just got back. I was with my gal and we visited her friends there. And by all means, if you are a Colombian women and striving to be the best, you are going to get the hell out of Colombia. And isn't that what you want in a woman, one striving to be better and better in all things both sexually and looks wise?
Even though I do not partake with hookers, I can see the escort prices in Spain and Portugal are less than women are asking for these days in Lleras and Gusto's. And Spain has it set up such that if you are a Latina and have a grandparent with Spanish blood, you can be a citizen there. The Colombian women I met came there via work and marriage visas. That is how Spain is dealing with its population crunch, importing Latinos.
Thing is even if the wages in Spain and Portugal are 4 and 3 x higher than Colombia, I was not sure if the higher European expenses would make the net income a better deal. Thing is when I was doing the expensive touristy things like riding on Uber, I had to learn to stop that and do as the locals did. I saw where they locals shopped, ate out, got around, and were holed up. Once I understood how they did things, I could see how anyone in Colombia with a decent work ethic would come out much better in Spain.
I know you are going to France, and I have not been in a while. A buddy of mine swears the Muslims have taken the country over like the homeless have in California and he hates going there. I went to Spain and Italy, did not see a homeless issue, and I saw spinners galore. I was shocked. The jump in the quality of the women from Europe to Colombia was the same as it was going from the USA to Colombia. The European are much less curvy.
I can't blame V for moving to Colombia with what I saw five, six years ago. The quality you were getting for the price in Colombia IMO was unmatched in the world. But now? Nah, it sucks. The best women have moved out and V is too dense to realize it.
I have my gal and have no reason to move to Europe, but if I were still in the hobby, I would focus there.
But the fastest way to get V to move there would have been my going there and bragging about how great it is. He can't stand the thought of someone like me doing better than him.
Elvis 2008
09-05-24, 23:23
Sorry brother, but I have to bust your image of me. The first passport I ever received was diplomatic passport issued to me as representative of the government of my country of origin.That does not my change my image of you. It reinforces it.
When I post this.
When you shoot for the stars, the falls are going to be frequent and nasty. In fact, most here are going to discourage you from doing so, but that is what it is like playing on the big stage.And you respond with this.
Take your I pay more for my prostitutes so they are better than your argument to someone who actually wants to here it like Miami Boy.You are showing me what a pathetic, gutless, and stupid loser you are. If you want to eat hamburger and hang with your 6's, which would probably be 4's in my book, go ahead and have it. If you are really content with who you are, you would not have to put anyone trying to do better down, but that is all you attempt to do.
This I am very happy about. I don't know you, but from just your posts I am very happy I am not like you.Yeah, well, I think it is pretty obvious to everyone you are not happy with your 6's / my 4's. And it is probably best you think you are not like me for your own mental health. I do not think that you could not handle the truth.
Are you saying that Pussy is Pussy is me being misogynistic?
misogynistic: strongly prejudiced against women.Gee, thanks for the definition. I had never heard the word misogynistic before / sarc. Like with most things, my comments seem to go over your head. Of course, saying pussy is pussy is misogynistic, but I do not care about that.
When you say pussy is pussy, you are admitting that you are fucking ugly women. Hell, you did not even have to say you are going for your 6's / my 4's. I knew that already. You are showing everyone you are an amateur while trying so hard to appear like a pro. Do you think there is a shortage of guys on here who do not know how to get an average looking and performing hooker?
Why would anyone want to listen to some loser who by his own admission is banging ugly women?
I have no education. I have no money. I am a loser. You and all others who have taken a shot at me have exposed me.
Elvis, you happy now ya *****?
You are showing me what a pathetic, gutless, and stupid loser you are. Thank you for showing me your true nature. You feel inferior to me. That is why you need to strike out and be critical. I understand. You do whatever you need to make yourself feel better and sleep at night. If using me as your punching bag makes you life better for you then by all means keep doing it.
If you want to eat hamburger and hang with your 6's, which would probably be 4's in my book, go ahead and have it. Yep, good with it.
Yeah, well, I think it is pretty obvious to everyone you are not happy with your 6's / my 4's. And it is probably best you think you are not like me for your own mental health. I do not think that you could not handle the truth. Only a person who is chemically of mental impaired could write this about me. But if make you feel better to think I am the one with the problem then go ahead and think that. You see:
I am at peace with myself and all others.
Gee, thanks for the definition. I had never heard the word misogynistic before / sarc. Like with most things, my comments seem to go over your head. Of course, saying pussy is pussy is misogynistic, but I do not care about that. You are welcome as you seem to be a man of low education that has only be able to survive on the white privilege that exists in your country of origin. Yet, I despite all of the discrimination I experiences over the years in my country of origin have managed to make and excellent life for myself while you still toil away on a wage slave plantation as overseer while waiting to get promoted to ship captain.
I am just chilling in my room in Pattaya, Thailand as I write this. In wonderment of the hostility built up in the wage slaves. Emancipate yourself my man. I did it. You can too.
it is better to die free than live as a slave
When you say pussy is pussy, you are admitting that you are fucking ugly women. Hell, you did not even have to say you are going for your 6's / my 4's. I knew that already. You are showing everyone you are an amateur while trying so hard to appear like a pro. Sorry, trying to become a professional trick is not on my bucket list. Continuing to work hard and grow my capital on behalf of my family and extended tribe is my continued life work.
Do you think there is a shortage of guys on here who do not know how to get an average looking and performing hooker? If you were actually as smart as you think you are, you would know that talent falls onto the bell curve. Standard deviations (did you ever study that sort of thing). There is no shortage of people who are average. I am one of them. But I am smarter than you because I know who I am and where I am in the world. I am not trying to make myself into somebody in the internet world because I am nobody in the real world. I just do not understand why you pick an obscure website like this to make your final stand to give yourself relevance on this earth.
Immune from insults from you people. Living the absolute best life I have ever lived.
Your problem is that you think you are better because the prostitutes you pay are more expensive. When reality is you are hiring prostitutes just like I am. That make you a trick just like me. A trick who pays more money for his hoes. I will stipulate to that. Didn't you write this:
But just so you know, the only thing we have in common is playing the same game.Exactly! Pussy is Pussy. If you are buying it the only difference is how much you pay for it. You want to let everyone know that because you pay a LOT for your pussy it is better than everyone else's. Therefor you are better that everyone else.
Why would anyone want to listen to some loser who by his own admission is banging ugly women?No one listens to me. Furthermore, I don't think anyone should listen to me. Even so, some do:
I also want to send a special thanks out to SubCmdr who helped me out with lots of valuable information that I used to plan my trip. His knowledge and expertise in Pattaya is unparalleled and thanks to his help everything from the airport bus to airbnb to using the ATMs and sourcing from TF has been a smooth process.
-Gabacho.Therein lies the biggest difference between you and I. You have your ego tied up in pussy. Therefore you need to project to me (and put me down) that the pussy you buy is better than mine. I focus on helping others, providing service and being a good provider. If you think a 6 (4 in your book) who takes care me has less value than a 10 who is a starfish that is your personal opinion. . It also gives me insight in to the completely superficial nature of your character. But you just keep being you. You are already a three time loser when it comes to Man Law. I am a loser because I won't spend a lot of money on prostitutes. Get the fuck outta here!.
Opinion: a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. I have long since quit being concerned about what people like you think of me. Feel free to keep calling me all the names you like.
Networks at work, keeping people calm; You know they went after King; When he spoke out on Vietnam; he turned the power to the have-nots; And then came the shot - Wake Up, Rage Against the Machine.
So, when you say you are of modest means, the inescapable conclusion is that you weren't well educated and acquired no highly useful skills, I. E. A minimum wage type job. Sure you probably earned more than minimum wage given years of experience doing menial work but still. So in your reasoning saying I'm of modest means (average, middling), according to synonym lists and my intent, equates to my having said that I have no university education, that I work for near minimum wage, that I perform menial work, and have no savings. Having painted yourself in a corner with your misquotes of me linked again here below, that's about all you can do since the deleted PMs angle went so poorly. Or maybe you haven't run across the anonymous "good source" lately that told you that I stay in hostels.
There's no nexus between university education and high salaries, as is the case with many educators and other state employees, military who took advantage of the GI Bill, and even many physicians and attorneys in rural communities, while these provide "useful" services. Some of these as well as high earners lost substantial savings in divorces or health emergencies. Some of the above even blew their savings on hookers or gambling, but that doesn't erase their degrees or usefulness as long as they perform. Many Asian immigrants that pile in small apartments, never attend college, work three jobs at menial labor get way ahead. Sensible people consider their skills "useful" as they are often essential to the functioning of society. I could go on, but there's no sure correlations anywhere here as diversity abounds. These are the fallacies you have in play BTW. Congratulations, I haven't seen a trifecta in a while.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Non-Sequitur
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/False-Equivalence
For the record I'm a retired state employee with higher degrees and adequate savings, which were recently boosted by another inheritance. Not that this matters as your reasoning is already overturned.
I think one of the first things Warren Buffett would tell you if you want to appear rich, is to not constantly make an ass out of yourself online in a hooker forum, and especially when sitting next to a wall fan in a 3rd World rented apartment.
So how did you end up being Paule? No education? No discipline to save your money? No friends? Look at the life you made for yourself LOSER.This is so sad that it leaves me feeling like a bully just for responding, but I'll proceed with some tact. You are like a third grader sitting around the lunchroom table arguing about who has the most "friends. " The word is used far too loosely. You don't know who your friends are until loyalty is proven, while that's often honed through crisis. Even just one true friend is a treasure trove. Gatsby had a lot of "friends," but how many showed up at his funeral? But ultimately the greatest treasure is to enjoy your own company.
P.S. "LOSER" in all caps as the parting shot? You sound like the kid who just got his face bloodied on the playground as he's making his exit. In reality that's exactly what you are, time and again.
As to your employment, you stated once before that you had no advanced education (which is pretty evident from the plethora of grammatical and spelling errors you publish) and that you had no financial resources of any note.
As I recall you mentioned being a near minimum wage worker...
That's why I take vacations.Yea I know. You already told us that you are traveling the world staying in luxury hotels. It's a good thing there's Ritz-Carltons in Spain, where the coffee is probably a lot better than you get at your lunch spot in Laureles.
Ugly is your word. You use it to describe the girls I am with in order to make yourself feel superior to me in some way. Because in every other way in life you are not. And you know it.
Now, you will tell me how many photos you have seen of the girls I have been with through out my life.
Dumb: is a word you use to make your self feel better also. You use it when you disagree with someone and cannot match their argument. It is one of your goto Ad homenin that you use because you are intellectually bankrupt. I will not be meeting you in court.
Even though I do not partake with hookers.YOU LIE!
He can't stand the thought of someone like me doing better than him.You think you are doing better than everyone in the entire world. Or at least on ISG. We have learned to not even pay any attention to anything you ever say.
So I say to one of my ISG buddies, Hey Elvis is talking shit about me again. His response: What else is new. All Elvis ever does is talk shit..
Mic drop and I exit stage left
For the record I'm a retired state employee with higher degrees and adequate savings, which were recently boosted by another inheritance. Not that this matters as your reasoning is already overturned.Wow! I am so impressed. A retired state employee with higher degrees and adequate savings.
What happened with your higher degrees?? (people who really have higher degrees call them advanced degrees) Couldn't find a job in the private sector? What were your advanced degrees in? Psychology?
I know people who worked as teachers or engineers for state or local governments. They never lost their savings through medical emergencies because one of the trade-offs for working for a state or local government is a secure pension and a top notch medical plan. In fact, it is that very thing that attracts high quality employees who have children or spouses with medical needs.
But lets not digress. You worked as a state employee with an advanced degree and you retired as a man of modest means? What kind of chump are you? Did you ever take a class in finance or investing? Putting aside a pension and social security, you could, without a thought, have amassed a small fortune by allocating a small amount of your salary to the 457 (B) plan your governmental entity offered. (State and Local government version of a 401 (K)).
What happened? Did you drink it all away? Did you blow all of it on hookers? Or was it the gambling? How did you become a loser Paulie?
You were born under a lucky star. You grew up and worked in the US! Unless you were a complete dud (which seems to be the case) you could parlay even a semblance of an education, decent work ethic or any skill at all into a sizeable fortune. Just a small amount of investing over a long career even in State or Local government would have made you very well off if not wealthy by retirement age. Even a janitor working at the S&L government level with 4 kids could probably have managed to retire "well off".
Tell me Paulie? How did you blow a lay-up? What are your excuses?
It is funny how Paulie totally understood what I meant, and my comment went way over your head. You and SC are making Paulie look like a damned genius.Nothing and no one can make Paulie look intelligent. You can't put lipstick on a pig.
You were bragging about your Holiday Inn and I told you I had an apartment that would be listed as a luxury suite in a hotel and I was paying $750 a month for it. Your little ego could not handle my having something better than you, and then and only then did you get off your ass and look around. What is so fucking sad is that I predicted how you would behave and predicted you would think getting an apartment was all your idea.Narcissist thy name is Elvis. I hate to break it to you Elvis. Nothing you say or do influences me in any way.
As to getting an apartment, I did that 1 1/2 years ago, I just moved into a different place that I like better. If I knew that that was your advice, I certainly would have rethought the whole thing. But now that you mention it, there are a lot of tricky things to circumvent when renting an apartment and I'll write something about it in one of the other forums. Depending on your experiences in Cartagena you might consider doing the same.
Okay, so now you are pretending I did not get an apartment before you did? You think I do not have an apartment now? Man, Paulie is right about you. You literally block out all facts that you do not want to hear or remember.I always said that you could not read. What I said (and meant) is that there are real difficulties renting an apartment in Colombia as a foreigner. The real estate market for rentals can be a panoply of rules, regulations and requirements to navigate. You were talking about having rented your apartment long before I rented mine. If you rented directly from an owner it was probably easy. If you went through an 'inmobiliaria' you would know about some of the difficulties that exist.
Actually, Villainy, the government equivalent of a 401 (k) is a 403 (b). 457's are supplemental plans over and above the limits for 403 plans. You can actually put 100% of your salary in a 457 and I did this one year while working two jobs at once.
The Yew Ess educational system does a poor job of addressing financial literacy and many people who are well educated and have higher / advanced degrees don't know squat about investing, time value of money, tax planning, etc. Few college majors require even a basic finance course. I had the advantage of working next to a New York Jew when I was younger, who taught me that Jesus saves but Moses invests. Thank you for that, Yorkie.
Paulie may not know much about investing but he knows the real secret to financial success: inherit.
Successful investing per Yorkie:
1) The road to wealth is paved with stocks.
2) Don't worry too much about taxes; just make money because the tax rate is never 100%.
3) Never let your wife see your retirement statements.
Yorkie passed away on Monday at the age of 93, surrounded by friends, relatives, and a shit load of DRIP plans. In his memory, I remind you of his pearls of wisdom, which ranged far from investing to such topics as:
1) Don't wait for overtime to come to you; go out there and create it yourself.
2) Never hire a lawyer who's not a Jew because the other guy's will be.
3) Always have both a dog and a cat because if you're really broke, you can jack off the dog to feed the cat.
Rest in peace, Yorkster!
Elvis 2008
09-06-24, 21:46
I have no education. I have no money. I am a loser.I did not say the first two. It is the last part.
If you think a 6 (4 in your book) who takes care me has less value than a 10 who is a starfish that is your personal opinion.How do you know all the 10's in the world are "starfishes"? Do you have a black book of 10's? And how do you know a 10 would not take care of you? And how do you know they are more expensive? You are the fox in this Aesop's fable:
A Fox one day spied a beautiful bunch of ripe grapes hanging from a vine trained along the branches of a tree. The grapes seemed ready to burst with juice, and the Fox's mouth watered as he gazed longingly at them.
The bunch hung from a high branch, and the Fox had to jump for it. The first time he jumped he missed it by a long way. So he walked off a short distance and took a running leap at it, only to fall short once more. Again and again he tried, but in vain.
Now he sat down and looked at the grapes in disgust.
"What a fool I am," he said. "Here I am wearing myself out to get a bunch of sour grapes that are not worth gaping for. ".
And off he walked very, very scornfully.
And then there was the lesson: There are many who pretend to despise and belittle that which is beyond their reach.
I think a better lesson is what they perceive is beyond their reach. A smarter fox would have gotten the fucking grapes.
And SC, not only are there a club of foxes on this site, Gabacho is the fucking president of it. It is not that Gabacho does not provide valuable information to the forum. He does, but it is what not to do. If you want safety and quality, you would just do the opposite of what he does.
But I am smarter than you because I know who I am and where I am in the world.No, you don't know anything about grapes or women. Not only are you a fox who has not tasted the grapes, you are conferring with other foxes like Gabacho who have not tasted the grapes and you and your geniuses have all concluded they are sour which makes your stupidity even worse.
If I learned a way to get the grapes and they were the sweetest ones ever, you foxes would make up another story about why it could not be true. Like I said, you can't handle the truth, and that is what makes you a loser.
Elvis 2008
09-06-24, 22:06
You were talking about having rented your apartment long before I rented mine.You got that right, but the facts I presented did not influence you? Uh, sure, whatever you say.
Narcissist thy name is Elvis. I hate to break it to you Elvis. Nothing you say or do influences me in any way.LOL. You were probably looking up places to stay and escort prices in Spain right after Paulie and I posted what we did.
I always said that you could not read. What I said (and meant) is that there are real difficulties renting an apartment in Colombia as a foreigner. The real estate market for rentals can be a panoply of rules, regulations and requirements to navigate. You were talking about having rented your apartment long before I rented mine. If you rented directly from an owner it was probably easy. If you went through an 'inmobiliaria' you would know about some of the difficulties that exist.Neither. My gal hired an agent and I just did as I was told.
Elvis,
How do you know what the girls look like that I fuck? You say they are ugly. Yet you have never seen them.
And SC, not only are there a club of foxes on this site, Gabacho is the fucking president of it. It is not that Gabacho does not provide valuable information to the forum. He does, but it is what not to do. If you want safety and quality, you would just do the opposite of what he does.I will let you take that up with him. But I disagree with you characterization of him. You have never met with him. I have. You have never seen the girls he goes with either. I have. I have see the girls he is going with here in Thailand and they are not ugly. So take your punk ass privileged self on down the street and confer with those who look like you in your private club where you compare notes on how much you are paying for your 10's. It is ok with me. I'm good..
Like I said, you can't handle the truth, and that is what makes you a loser.It is you who cannot handle the truth. I am doing just fine. That is the truth that you cannot handle. That is why you did not address anything I said in my post and instead quoted fairy tales because you had nothing original to say.
Anytime you would like to call me a loser to my face. You let me know. I am a world traveler. Let me know when you get your next work release pass from sex prison. We can meet. I want see if you talk tough in person or if you are just another ISG keyboard warrior.
You got that right, but the facts I presented did not influence you? Uh, sure, whatever you say.Uhhhh, you rented your place in Cartagena and I rented mine in Medellin.
LOL. You were probably looking up places to stay and escort prices in Spain right after Paulie and I posted what we did.I guess I should mention it again. Nothing you do or say influences what I do.
Neither. My gal hired an agent and I just did as I was told.Makes sense. She speaks Spanish and is smarter than you. Good move!
Actually, Villainy, the government equivalent of a 401 (k) is a 403 (b). 457's are supplemental plans over and above the limits for 403 plans. You can actually put 100% of your salary in a 457 and I did this one year while working two jobs at once.
The Yew Ess educational system does a poor job of addressing financial literacy and many people who are well educated and have higher / advanced degrees don't know squat about investing, time value of money, tax planning, etc. Few college majors require even a basic finance course. I had the advantage of working next to a New York Jew when I was younger, who taught me that Jesus saves but Moses invests. Thank you for that, Yorkie.
Paulie may not know much about investing but he knows the real secret to financial success: inherit.I think 403 (b) plans are for private non-profit employees and public school employees whereas 457 plans are for State and Local government employees.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/111615/457-plans-and-403b-plans-comparison.asp
And BTW there are the normal contribution limits which are the same for 401 (K) participants, in 2024 you are limited to a 23,000 contribution with an additional 7,500 catch-up contribution if you are over 50.
I think a better lesson is what they perceive is beyond their reach. A smarter fox would have gotten the fucking grapes.
And SC, not only are there a club of foxes on this site, Gabacho is the fucking president of it. It is not that Gabacho does not provide valuable information to the forum. He does, but it is what not to do. If you want safety and quality, you would just do the opposite of what he does.
No, you don't know anything about grapes or women. Not only are you a fox who has not tasted the grapes, you are conferring with other foxes like Gabacho who have not tasted the grapes and you and your geniuses have all concluded they are sour which makes your stupidity even worse.
If I learned a way to get the grapes and they were the sweetest ones ever, you foxes would make up another story about why it could not be true. Like I said, you can't handle the truth, and that is what makes you a loser.Yeah, they can fuck their uglies and midgets all day and brag about it, but will never earn respect from the guys who do better. I mean, how difficult is it to fuck a 4 in a country like Colombia or DR? All you need is a functioning dick and some pocket change. It is just as easy as buying a juice at a fruit stand. SubCmdr, how about scoring a 10 that will "take care of you"? I bet that would be mission impossible for you, loser. Heck, you don't even know what a 10 is to begin with.
Wow! I am so impressed. A retired state employee with higher degrees and adequate savings.
What happened with your higher degrees?? (people who really have higher degrees call them advanced degrees) Couldn't find a job in the private sector? What were your advanced degrees in? Psychology?
I know people who worked as teachers or engineers for state or local governments. They never lost their savings through medical emergencies because one of the trade-offs for working for a state or local government is a secure pension and a top notch medical plan. In fact, it is that very thing that attracts high quality employees who have children or spouses with medical needs.
But lets not digress. You worked as a state employee with an advanced degree and you retired as a man of modest means? What kind of chump are you? Did you ever take a class in finance or investing? Putting aside a pension and social security, you could, without a thought, have amassed a small fortune by allocating a small amount of your salary to the 457 (B) plan your governmental entity offered. (State and Local government version of a 401 (K)).
What happened? Did you drink it all away? Did you blow all of it on hookers? Or was it the gambling? How did you become a loser Paulie?
You were born under a lucky star. You grew up and worked in the US! Unless you were a complete dud (which seems to be the case) you could parlay even a semblance of an education, decent work ethic or any skill at all into a sizeable fortune. Just a small amount of investing over a long career even in State or Local government would have made you very well off if not wealthy by retirement age. Even a janitor working at the S&L government level with 4 kids could probably have managed to retire "well off".
Tell me Paulie? How did you blow a lay-up? What are your excuses?Notice that this portion of my post was completely ignored in his response.
So in your reasoning saying I'm of modest means (average, middling), according to synonym lists and my intent, equates to my having said that I have no university education, that I work for near minimum wage, that I perform menial work, and have no savings. Having painted yourself in a corner with your misquotes of me linked again here below, that's about all you can do since the deleted PMs angle went so poorly. Or maybe you haven't run across the anonymous "good source" lately that told you that I stay in hostels.So folks, if you say you are of modest / average means, according to Twitainy, you by default also say that you have no advanced education, that you work for near minimum wage, perform menial labor, and have no assets. All readily accessible statistics, as to average incomes, average savings at certain stages in life, and educational attainments loudly refute this, while he sits beside his wall fan in his rented, 3rd World apartment where he can't walk at night telling others how to make a "great fortune" he doesn't have.
I rest my case.
So, when you say you are of modest means, the inescapable conclusion is that you weren't well educated and acquired no highly useful skills, I. E. A minimum wage type job. Sure you probably earned more than minimum wage given years of experience doing menial work but still.
As to your employment, you stated once before that you had no advanced education (which is pretty evident from the plethora of grammatical and spelling errors you publish) and that you had no financial resources of any note.
As I recall you mentioned being a near minimum wage worker...
Nothing and no one can make Paulie look intelligent. You can't put lipstick on a pig. Regardless I've done an excellent job at making you look incredibly stupid over the last week or so, and it's been blast. Thanks. Wink.
Paulie may not know much about investing but he knows the real secret to financial success: inherit.That's been a blessing. I spent a good bit starting from 2003 when I first discovered Costa Rica, and what were some of the best years of Medellin, 2016 to 2019. In retrospect I don't regret it. These are experiences that relatively few ever have.
Explorer8939
09-08-24, 01:22
Anyone here actually meet any ladies in Medellin this year?
Yeah, they can fuck their uglies and midgets all day and brag about it, but will never earn respect from the guys who do better. I mean, how difficult is it to fuck a 4 in a country like Colombia or DR? All you need is a functioning dick and some pocket change. It is just as easy as buying a juice at a fruit stand. SubCmdr, how about scoring a 10 that will "take care of you"? I bet that would be mission impossible for you, loser. Heck, you don't even know what a 10 is to begin with.It's amazing how these same debates keep recycling. It would seem most would rather take what they can use from them and move on. In my experience the hotter they are, the more attitude and restrictions. I can often get a read on that sitting at home working FB. There's of course exceptions but it takes work finding them.
Though few believe it, gems show up in the casas, and for a time that included a lot of Venezuelanas. It will often take some time walking to different spots, but they show up. I was slow to over advertise this, but am now more about Costa Rica at my age, as all is more easily accessible and laid back. The local food is also much better.
You were probably looking up places to stay and escort prices in Spain right after Paulie and I posted what we did.I wouldn't assume that he can afford it. About every expat down I've come across is rich, and the more they drink, the richer they got. LOL.
When I post this. And you respond with this.You're getting the hang of this. That's what you have to do to keep a discussion on track, re-post comments or ignored content from earlier. They can still misconstrue what you said, but it prevents them from lifting a sentence out of context, then going to town with what they felt like saying anyway while completely avoiding the core issues.
I find it funny to see that I've been trying my best to stay out of conflicts here on ISG and especially in the Medellin sections. I'm all the way on the other side of the world on my first SEA trip in Thailand and Indonesia. Just enjoying myself and posting a few trip reports here and there and minding my own business for the most part.
Then Elvis, the biggest DOAT (Douchebag of all Time) has to come out of the wood work to call me a fox and say that my women whom I see are not of quality and that I am not practicing safe sex, etc.
I thought we had an agreement to squash the beef and snide remarks but apparently Elvis is not a man of his word. Quite frankly, I fail to understand why the quality of women I choose to see is of any concern to you Elvis, and by extension to you too Miamiboy. You're like a little kid MB1 just hopping into a conversation to instigate and cosign onto another internet bully's remarks. It's my dick, it's my choice. You two douches ought to learn that.
If anything these comments just prove my point that Elvis, Miamiboy and the rest of his crew such as SangNYC, et al. Just continue to instigate flame wars by talking shit, making disrespectful comments, and fueling old fires that had been put out.
Hopefully the Admins and Moderators are taking note.
Too bad Jackson doesn't own the site anymore because guys like Elvis used to get banned for this type of behavior.
But say what you will about me, Elvis. I don't care about you and I'm not mongering to impress you and your high roller buddies who think you are better than me because you source your ladies from Seeking and pay top dollar or have an overpriced apartment in Boca Grande. I didn't use an agency to get my apartment, I rent directly from the owner for $540,000 COP a month and it may not be the most fancy place in Medellin but I m happy there and I've had the place for 2 years now.
After my Asia trip I'll be heading back there. Oh and Miamiboy, it's not a shower head this time, but a sprayer hose called a "bum gun" that I'm going to be installing in my bathroom when I get back. I'll have to post pics LOL.
Anyways I don't see the reason for the animosity and name calling.
Why can't we just agree to disagree and act like gentlemen?
-Gabachito Out.
Mr Enternational
09-08-24, 03:16
Yeah, they can fuck their uglies and midgets all day and brag about it, but will never earn respect from the guys who do better. I mean, how difficult is it to fuck a 4 in a country like Colombia or DR? All you need is a functioning dick and some pocket change. It is just as easy as buying a juice at a fruit stand. SubCmdr, how about scoring a 10 that will "take care of you"? I bet that would be mission impossible for you, loser. Heck, you don't even know what a 10 is to begin with.Why do you come on here talking like you did something spectacular to get a so-called 10 other than pay her the same as anybody else can do? You are not "scoring" anything and you are not "doing better". YOU ARE PAYING!! Why are you trying to psych yourself up that it is anything other than you forking over money? You are seriously coming on a monger board bragging about the hookers that you pay as if they are off limits to other people's money. Besides that, you have yet to show any of these 10's that you have actually paid to fuck.
MiamiBoy,
Were you mentally or chemically impaired when you wrote this:
Yeah, they can fuck their uglies and midgets all day.
How do you know what the girls look like that I fuck? You say they are ugly. Yet you have never seen them.About Gabacho. He is the current reining KING of Thai Friendly. But you lame ass one country international tricks don't know nuttin about that now do you?
I disagree with you characterization of him. You have never met with him. I have. You have never seen the girls he goes with either. I have. I have see the girls he is going with here in Thailand and they are not ugly.It appears reading compression skills have dramatically dropped since I left my country of origin also.
and brag about it, but will never earn respect from the guys who do better. Only you and those like you brag about being Professional Tricks. I have no idea why you tie up your personality and self worth in the attractiveness of the prostitutes you pay to fuck. I am not seeking respect from imaginary personalities on ISG making grandiose claims. I respect individuals I have met in person like Gabacho. He has been the only one so far to have the balls to meet me face to face. I wonder why that is? No, I know. Because he is real. While the rest of you mother fuckers are just imaginary internet personalities that are nothing more than keyboard warriors.
You do realize that girls on Seeking Arrangements are just prostitutes with a different marketing plan. But the Professional Tricks among us forget that. They will not call them what they are (prostitutes) and will not acknowledge what they themselves are (tricks).
Someone who fucks prostitutes just like me who manages to delude themselves into thinking that because they pay more money for their prostitutes therefore they are better than me, well I feel sorry for them. Because ain't nobody up in here living better than The Cmdr.
Because it is not their girl just their time. Anyone paying her fee is running up in her and blowing their splooge. While she is enjoying the wine and dine routine some lay on her, afterwards she is spending her time with someone that she wants to spend time with and laughing with him about the game she is running on all the guys that are paying to wine, dine and eat her pussy filled with the cum of the guy that she really likes. LOL!.
How do I know this? Because The CMDR has girls I do that shit with..
I mean, how difficult is it to fuck a 4 in a country like Colombia or DR?They are not fours they are at least sixes. And you left out a country: Thailand. I am a three country international trick, not a one country international trick like you are!
How difficult is it to fuck a prostitute you consider a ten? Not hard you just need a little bit more than just pocket change. I have other things I prefer to spend my money on. Are you Man Law 101 violator? My time, my money, my dick, my call!.
All you need is a functioning dick and some pocket change.My dick does not work, but modern pharmacology helps me out with that. And the change in my pocket? Well I earned every penny and stacked enough of my pennies where I do not have to be a wage slave like you and trade my time for money. My money works for me 24/07/365 even when I am sleeping. Holla!.
It is just as easy as buying a juice at a fruit stand.Here is what you don't understand. If you are fucking a prostitute that you consider a 10 (remember beauty standards are not universal) then who ever is willing to pay her fee when you are not up in her is fucking her too. Just like the fruit vendor does not discriminate if you have COP, DOP, THB, USD, USDC or USDT when it comes time to sell fruit, a prostitute does not discriminate either if you pay her fee because she is in the business of selling access to her mouth, pussy and ass..
My fellow ISG brothers, can you help me out? Do have have the concept of hiring a prostitute wrong? All prostitutes have pussy right? Therefore: Pussy is Pussy!.
SubCmdr, how about scoring a 10 that will "take care of you"? Well, I cannot score anything when it coms to girls. It is not a competition and I am not keeping score. Except on my business and personal Balance Sheet and Profit and Loss statement. I keep score in COP, DOP, THB, USD, USDC and USDT. I do not keep track of how much I spend on hiring prostitutes. It is an expense after all. And all I need to do it is use the change in my pocket, right?
I bet that would be mission impossible for you, loser.Every time I close a trade that moved against me I am a loser. But I know how to lose. I know how to preserve my capital and I don't lose all the money I put at risk when I make a trade. So it is not impossible and I have no problem with people who are wage slaves working on the modern day plantation called a corporation as overseers calling me out as a loser. Indeed I am. When I trade.
But in life, with girls and in general:
All I do is win, win, win, no matter what (What); Got money on my mind, I can never get enough('Nough); And every time I step up in the building everybody hands go up; And they stay there (There) (google it Paulie69).
Heck, you don't even know what a 10 is to begin with.I don't. But you don't either. Remember beauty standards are subjective and different across cultures and countries. That is why I am a three country International Trick and you are a one country International Trick. You don't have the skills or ability to travel or to venture beyond your comfort zone.
I on the other hand can recognize inner beauty as my personality is not tied up in the superficial aspects of life. Beauty fade over the years and I prefer relationships with girls who pick me. Those who like me for me. Professional Tricks do not understand this. Very easy to see who they are. That is why they attack me. Because I have moved onto a higher level.
I am at peace with myself and all others
Elvis 2008
09-08-24, 07:34
Uhhhh, you rented your place in Cartagena and I rented mine in Medellin.Yeah, and you have no idea why I mention it.
UhI guess I should mention it again. Nothing you do or say influences what I do.I am sure if you were hooked up to a lie detector that would be the case but when I do an analysis or bring facts to the table, you just assume that what I said is something you thought of. You are really that fucking delusional.
Makes sense. She speaks Spanish and is smarter than you. Good move!LOL. You have never met her and you never will.
Elvis 2008
09-08-24, 07:55
Elvis,
How do you know what the girls look like that I fuck? You say they are ugly. Yet you have never seen them..Because any idiot who says pussy is pussy is fucking ugly women. You yourself posted that you prefer 6's to 10's because of the "experience" and now you are trying to worm your way out of it.
You have never seen the girls he goes with either.Nope, he posted photos of the ugly women and fatties he fucked. Once again, YOU do not what the fuck you are talking about.
So take your punk ass privileged self on down the streetOh, you poor thing. You are such a fucking victim. And now you are living a life traveling to 3rd world countries and fucking the locals who made 10% of the income you did. Man, how do you deal with such oppression?
And I have posted how much I have paid for my women unlike other guys on here. How much was it? Show me you are not talking out of your ass and tell me how much it was.
Anytime you would like to call me a loser to my face.Why would I want to meet you? Dude, you cannot handle what I have on an anonymous forum. You would lose your shit if we met IRL.
Driver: Elvis; Shotgun: MiamiBoy; Rear Left Seat: Villainy; Rear Right Seat: Paulie97; Jump Seat: LoveItHere69. Anyone else who wants to ride let Elvis know. He is going to have to get his clown crew a SUV that seats seven so he can expand his sphere of stupidity.
They be trying to run down The CMDR but I'm an international trick moving about the world and they can't get me cause I stick and move!
You're getting the hang of this. That's what you have to do to keep a discussion on track, re-post comments or ignored content from earlier. They can still misconstrue what you said, but it prevents them from lifting a sentence out of context, then going to town with what they felt like saying anyway while completely avoiding the core issues.You took this right out of the the Paulie86 debate manual. Ignore everything you cannot deal with and respond to the cherry picked items that you wish.
Look up Jimmy Hendrix Voodoo Child, Live in Maui, then Santana Soul Sacrifice, Live Woodstock, then compare to Limp Bizkit. That's for starters. See what you think..Why would I bother to pay attention to any of your musical selections. Pretty obvious that the only think I share with you in this life is pussy. Educate your own damn self: Mozart, Beethoven, Bach and Santana. Santana's modern stuff is WAY better than his older music. Plus it shows how truly talented he is and an outstanding business man to make the comeback that he did.
Enjoy Costa Rica. Perfect place for soft gringos in the twilight of their life!.
Driver: Elvis; Shotgun: MiamiBoy; Rear Left Seat: Villainy; Rear Right Seat: Paulie97; Jump Seat: LoveItHere69. Anyone else who wants to ride let Elvis know. He is going to have to get his clown crew an SUV that seats seven so he can expand his sphere of stupidity.
They be trying to run down The CMDR but I'm an international trick moving about the world and they can't get me cause I stick and move!He should just get himself a Baht Bus so all the other ISG Idiots can hop in the back. There's alot more than just 7 of them.
Notice that this portion of my post was completely ignored in his response.
So folks, if you say you are of modest / average means, according to Twitainy, you by default also say that you have no advanced education, that you work for near minimum wage, perform menial labor, and have no assets. All readily accessible statistics, as to average incomes, average savings at certain stages in life, and educational attainments loudly refute this, while he sits beside his wall fan in his rented, 3rd World apartment where he can't walk at night telling others how to make a "great fortune" he doesn't have.
I rest my case.Yes Paulie I generally do ignore most of what you write. But just to help you out a little, since I am the grammar police and you obviously have difficulty communicating.
When you tell people you are of modest means that means you are just above the poverty line. You can try to quote your dictionary and whatever else you want but that is what it means. If you want to say it means average you should just say average. You can have a good education and be a low earner. This happens a lot to people who are lazy or underachievers. Don't feel bad, you have company. You can try to compensate for your feelings of inadequacy and tell people you have a higher degree. Say Paulie, you can even tell people you went to an Ivy and SubCmdr was in your class. Hahahaha.
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